| 00:00.13 | NivFreak | If there wasn't a good place to waste money in wrath, I would consider it |
| 00:00.15 | Arrowmaster | why the hell are they even BoE |
| 00:00.20 | NivFreak | but now I need 20,000G for my caravan |
| 00:00.30 | Pneumatus | im getting 2 |
| 00:00.54 | Arrowmaster | im working on the 50 mount achievement |
| 00:01.02 | Arrowmaster | need to finish off my city factions first |
| 00:01.07 | Pneumatus | i still need to calculate how much thats gonna cost me actually |
| 00:01.08 | NivFreak | meh, I was considering that |
| 00:01.15 | NivFreak | I have very low faction with capitals though |
| 00:01.21 | Pneumatus | i bought them all blindly on beta but never looked at how much my gold was dropping by |
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| 00:01.41 | Pneumatus | im up to like 65 mounts on beta now |
| 00:01.55 | Pneumatus | are taurens even able to hit 50? |
| 00:01.57 | NivFreak | yes |
| 00:02.04 | NivFreak | they can get to like 74 |
| 00:02.09 | NivFreak | before TCG/rare mounts |
| 00:02.25 | Pneumatus | fair enough |
| 00:02.39 | NivFreak | meh, I'm revered with all the major cities but SMC |
| 00:02.44 | Pneumatus | 25 tabards pre-lk isnt as easy as it sounds |
| 00:02.50 | NivFreak | is cloth turnins the way to go for rep? |
| 00:02.54 | Pneumatus | no way |
| 00:02.57 | stew_a | 50 noncombat pets is a lot of fun, not difficult, just fun :-) |
| 00:02.58 | Pneumatus | go AV and spam handins |
| 00:03.16 | Pneumatus | and do all low level quests you can find |
| 00:03.20 | Pneumatus | starting zones etc |
| 00:03.26 | NivFreak | pain I say |
| 00:03.40 | Pneumatus | cloth turnins give a pitiful amount of rep compared to other options |
| 00:03.41 | NivFreak | AV used to only give org rep I thought? |
| 00:03.52 | Pneumatus | it should give Horde rep |
| 00:03.56 | NivFreak | I thought that's why I'm like 8K rep ahead |
| 00:03.57 | Arrowmaster | it gives org rep but theres spillover |
| 00:04.04 | Pneumatus | it gives IF + Alliance rep to alliance |
| 00:04.12 | Pneumatus | so id guess it gives Org + Horde rep to horde |
| 00:04.20 | NivFreak | it's pretty funny that I'm undead, and have more org rep than UC |
| 00:04.45 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats because you gain more than twice as much org rep i think |
| 00:04.51 | Arrowmaster | or is it less than that? |
| 00:05.04 | NivFreak | well, pre 2.0, I don't think you got multifaction rep at all |
| 00:05.10 | Arrowmaster | you did |
| 00:05.12 | Pneumatus | the storm crystal AV handin for alliance (which is for summoning ivus) gives 75 IF rep and 18.75 Alliance rep |
| 00:05.18 | NivFreak | and I've pvp'd a lot less since TBC came out |
| 00:05.20 | Pneumatus | so the horde equivalent should give the same |
| 00:05.35 | Arrowmaster | i got revered with all factions pre tbc |
| 00:05.41 | Arrowmaster | from the spillover |
| 00:05.58 | NivFreak | was it 2.0 to TBC, or pre-2.0? |
| 00:06.00 | Pneumatus | they really need to fix repping up with WSG/AB though |
| 00:06.08 | Arrowmaster | oh god yes |
| 00:06.08 | NivFreak | Pneumatus: god it's painful |
| 00:06.12 | Arrowmaster | im still honored with WSG |
| 00:06.18 | fauxpas` | i want my ab tabard! :( |
| 00:06.30 | Arrowmaster | 8268/12000 |
| 00:06.30 | Pneumatus | you literally have to live in battlegrounds for months and months to rep them |
| 00:06.36 | NivFreak | I wish I had a count of how many AB/WSG/AV Games I've played |
| 00:06.44 | Pneumatus | compared to AV that you can do in like a week |
| 00:06.48 | fauxpas` | 11.5k/12k .. and the char is a draenei :o |
| 00:06.57 | Arrowmaster | heh im 390/1000 in AB and still need to goto arathi and pickup the quest for the tabard |
| 00:07.12 | fauxpas` | :( |
| 00:07.16 | Pneumatus | plus you have to make a premade thats actually capable of capping all 5 bases |
| 00:07.23 | Arrowmaster | nah |
| 00:07.24 | NivFreak | I really miss the old AV =/ |
| 00:07.27 | NivFreak | it's so boring now |
| 00:07.29 | NivFreak | they need AV classic |
| 00:07.34 | Pneumatus | this ^^ |
| 00:07.37 | Arrowmaster | horde on my battlegroup almost always win AB |
| 00:07.41 | NivFreak | I mean, it was fun even ignoring the honor |
| 00:07.44 | Arrowmaster | and almost always lose AV |
| 00:07.58 | fauxpas` | the have to make bgs shorter at the very least |
| 00:07.59 | Pneumatus | AV tower rush = no actual pvp |
| 00:08.07 | NivFreak | I miss summoning lok |
| 00:08.12 | NivFreak | and the huge battles we'd have to summon him |
| 00:08.15 | Pneumatus | its just a race as to who has the most pallys to get people to towers and cap them |
| 00:08.16 | NivFreak | to break a bridge turtl |
| 00:08.17 | NivFreak | e |
| 00:08.30 | Arrowmaster | yesterday i went and caped snowfall at the start of an AV and turned it into a turtle game =D |
| 00:08.31 | Arrowmaster | we won |
| 00:08.53 | Pneumatus | in my battlegroup horde like to turtle at iceblood/galv, which is a right pain in the arse |
| 00:09.08 | fauxpas` | it's so painful to sit through the traditional "so we have 2 bases and never get a third .. so let's end the game after 25 minutes and 1200-2000 instead of in 5 minutes with 0-5" ab :( |
| 00:09.34 | Arrowmaster | fauxpas`: meh you get more rep when you lose that way though |
| 00:09.38 | Pneumatus | and, preformav has killed AV in my battlegroup |
| 00:09.52 | fauxpas` | true, but most people do it for the honor ;) |
| 00:10.22 | fauxpas` | it's just not any fun when 2/3 of your random group is just too friggin stupid |
| 00:11.11 | fauxpas` | and actually making a group just isn't fun anymore thanks to crossrealm bgs |
| 00:11.22 | NivFreak | huh? |
| 00:11.38 | fauxpas` | = you can't flame the people you beat :P |
| 00:11.51 | NivFreak | this is what forums are for |
| 00:12.07 | fauxpas` | but noone cares about realmpool forums |
| 00:12.49 | fauxpas` | i remember, back in wow classic, we were a raiding guild and sometimes did bgs for fun .. and the matches against the "famous" r14 horde group were so much fun |
| 00:13.08 | fauxpas` | going 2-1 in a series of abs, each 1900-2000 or closer |
| 00:13.18 | fauxpas` | then logging into irc to trashtalk |
| 00:14.04 | fauxpas` | i actually cared about the outcome of a bg back then (at least in those rare cases) |
| 00:14.30 | fauxpas` | today it's just a means of getting the necessary honor for the newest season x gear |
| 00:15.29 | thul | well, start doing premades :-P |
| 00:15.50 | fauxpas` | in order to roflstomp pugs in 5 minutes? |
| 00:16.09 | fauxpas` | may be fun as a damagedealer, but i'm a healer ;) |
| 00:16.17 | thul | well, you can hope for premades on the other side? :-) |
| 00:16.24 | thul | or get a new game |
| 00:16.29 | thul | or start working out |
| 00:16.37 | thul | or start doing photography as a hobby |
| 00:16.43 | fauxpas` | yeah, but on a big battlegroup you don't know anyone so it doesn't matter |
| 00:16.48 | thul | lots of options :-D |
| 00:17.04 | fauxpas` | i could do that |
| 00:17.10 | fauxpas` | but qqing is more fun! |
| 00:17.29 | Xinhuan | how come i can "report user" |
| 00:17.32 | Xinhuan | on myself lol |
| 00:17.33 | fauxpas` | moreover, i recently wanted to continue playing bioshock but it doesn't start anymore :( |
| 00:18.13 | fauxpas` | Xinhuan: maybe turning yourself in after you were drunk and did stupid stuff on curse? ;) |
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| 00:18.28 | Xinhuan | its from within the author control panel ;p |
| 00:18.32 | Xinhuan | along the top |
| 00:19.09 | fauxpas` | maybe it's an"i feel guilty for coding that, please arrest me" button |
| 00:20.43 | Dashkal | We'll be easier with the beatings if you turn yourself in |
| 00:21.37 | fauxpas` | http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/POLITICS/10/02/vice.presidential.debate/t1land.palin.biden.gi.jpg <-> http://blog.fanfaktor.de/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/der-pate-vito-corleone.jpg |
| 00:21.37 | fauxpas` | ! |
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| 00:28.55 | netcurse | any mac users wanting to try the mac curse client? |
| 00:29.09 | NivFreak | newer than .13 |
| 00:29.10 | NivFreak | ? |
| 00:29.32 | netcurse | when did you download the .13? we released a new .13 that has crashes fixed |
| 00:29.37 | netcurse | this morning |
| 00:29.58 | netcurse | also, the CC will pick a lot more addons now |
| 00:30.15 | NivFreak | will it update? I think I got the first .13 |
| 00:30.35 | NivFreak | kolie gave me .12 yesterday, and it crashed while updating to .13, I never tried it after that |
| 00:30.41 | NivFreak | it did update |
| 00:30.43 | netcurse | nop it won't, install that http://static.curseforge.net/client/CurseClientSetup-2.0.0.13.dmg |
| 00:30.45 | NivFreak | just a crash in between |
| 00:30.49 | NivFreak | k |
| 00:30.53 | NivFreak | I'll grab it when I get home |
| 00:31.02 | NivFreak | I have to watch some hilarious debating in a few |
| 00:31.15 | netcurse | i went from only 12 addons recognized to 40+ |
| 00:31.21 | break19 | fauxpas`: i dunno... corleone never told a paraplegic to stand up.. |
| 00:31.21 | netcurse | with today fix |
| 00:31.27 | NivFreak | well |
| 00:31.32 | NivFreak | the last version was interesting |
| 00:31.37 | NivFreak | I could click on an addon |
| 00:31.39 | NivFreak | tell it to update it |
| 00:31.48 | NivFreak | and it would install it and have more information displayed |
| 00:31.52 | NivFreak | but using the update addons feature |
| 00:31.56 | NivFreak | gave me zero feedback |
| 00:32.03 | NivFreak | and didn't seem to do anything at all :) |
| 00:32.21 | netcurse | ok, i think that's fixed, if not we ll fix it by monday :) |
| 00:32.28 | NivFreak | k, I'll give it a shot again tonight |
| 00:32.43 | NivFreak | does it still stealth install your data mining client? |
| 00:32.47 | break19 | netcurse: woot! mac version slowly materializing from the vapour! :) |
| 00:33.00 | netcurse | try it :) |
| 00:33.13 | fauxpas` | break19: but walter sobchak did that too and walter sobchack is awesome <3 |
| 00:33.14 | break19 | I would, but my mac doesnt have wow installed on it anymore. :p |
| 00:33.20 | netcurse | ahh |
| 00:33.37 | break19 | my wife's does, however.. but she's not exactly the "ooh, beta!" type of person. lol |
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| 00:34.26 | fauxpas` | NivFreak: yeah, i'd really like to see what other newspapers sarah palin doesn't read |
| 00:34.44 | break19 | I may however, put a fake wow install onto my laptop to check it out, would be this weekend tho. weeknights are too hectic.. 1 yr old little girl.. :) |
| 00:35.35 | Kilroo | I was considering asking about a linux version. |
| 00:36.08 | Kilroo | Only...really all you need for the linux version is a way to copy the links on the existing version. |
| 00:36.24 | Kilroo | Anyone playing WoW on Linux has Wine anyway and it runs under that. |
| 00:36.36 | Kilroo | You just can't go to the addon pages. |
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| 00:38.50 | break19 | lol. walked into the living room, to tell the wife about the mac cc build.. my little girl (13months old tomorrow) in the playpin, watching TV.. Wonder Pets on Noggin.. |
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| 00:39.03 | NivFreak | java would have made things simpler :) |
| 00:39.09 | break19 | all those fun toys around her, and she was just.. engrossed in the tv. heh |
| 00:39.17 | Arrowmaster | java is evil |
| 00:39.23 | Dashkal | Yes, yes it is |
| 00:39.31 | Dashkal | But it's still simpler :p |
| 00:39.34 | NivFreak | break19: my son is the same way |
| 00:39.47 | NivFreak | wonder pets, dora, backyardagains, yo gabba, etc etc |
| 00:39.49 | NivFreak | oh |
| 00:39.50 | NivFreak | wubbzy |
| 00:39.52 | NivFreak | his favorite |
| 00:40.33 | break19 | she cant even talk yet.. other than 'mamamamamamamama" and "bababababababa" and, of course "dadadadadada" |
| 00:40.57 | NivFreak | she'll be singing the song soon |
| 00:40.58 | NivFreak | trust me |
| 00:41.09 | NivFreak | mine turns 2 on halloween |
| 00:41.42 | break19 | whats bad is.. thats the ONE show, out of ALL of them.. that annoy me and the wife the MOST, and it seems to be her favorite |
| 00:41.43 | Primer | mine turn 6 and 10 this month |
| 00:43.11 | break19 | oh, and someone tell tuller, combuctor on curse.. missing acecomm3 embed. heh |
| 00:43.14 | break19 | bbl |
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| 00:49.57 | |Yssaril| | repo die again? |
| 00:50.25 | daemoen | hey guys, is there a way to configure nquestlog to hide specific quests until they are in a specific level range ? |
| 00:50.39 | daemoen | like... setting it to show any quests that are green, but hide yellow, orange and red :-D |
| 00:52.06 | Kilroo | Oh cool, apparently WUU has been fixed to support Curse. |
| 00:52.30 | daemoen | wuu? |
| 00:52.34 | Kilroo | Shame Wowace and Cosmos are still the only places it can browse... |
| 00:52.35 | Primer | wtf is wuu? |
| 00:52.54 | daemoen | i was wondering that same thing :-D |
| 00:52.57 | Kilroo | WoW UI updater |
| 00:53.14 | Primer | YAWU |
| 00:53.21 | daemoen | yawu? |
| 00:53.25 | daemoen | goes to look for yawu |
| 00:53.26 | Primer | yet another wow updater |
| 00:53.37 | daemoen | uses jwu |
| 00:53.43 | daemoen | its the only one that works on mac, lol |
| 00:53.49 | daemoen | but at least its ace :-D |
| 00:54.02 | Shirik | how is a java program ace? |
| 00:54.19 | daemoen | Shirik: JWU was written for ace plugins was what i was getting at |
| 00:54.34 | Primer | I haven't seen any updates in JWU in days |
| 00:54.40 | Primer | Presumably because of this migration? |
| 00:54.41 | Shirik | days? |
| 00:54.48 | Primer | yes, days |
| 00:54.48 | Shirik | Is that a problem? |
| 00:54.53 | daemoen | jwu worked for me 2 days ago |
| 00:55.08 | Primer | considering there have always been updates, every day, yes |
| 00:55.09 | Kilroo | hmm... |
| 00:55.14 | Shirik | Do we get new Linux kernels every day? I don't think so. If it works, why should you need to change it |
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| 00:55.21 | Synthetic | hiya |
| 00:55.28 | Primer | I got a new linux kernel today |
| 00:55.32 | Primer | Linux daniel.omnis.com 2.6.26.5-45.fc9.x86_64 #1 SMP Sat Sep 20 03:23:12 EDT 2008 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:55.34 | Shirik | ... |
| 00:55.39 | Primer | see? |
| 00:55.46 | Kilroo | ok, I think WUU can do everything JWU can, and handling non-wowace-origin addons is easier. |
| 00:55.47 | Shirik | because you got a new kernel today, therefore you get a new one every day |
| 00:55.48 | Arrowmaster | eww fedora |
| 00:55.53 | Shirik | You follow a very strange logic system |
| 00:55.58 | daemoen | whats wrong with fedora? |
| 00:56.05 | Arrowmaster | its fedora |
| 00:56.06 | Primer | Nothing wrong with fedora |
| 00:56.07 | Synthetic | wuu? |
| 00:56.09 | daemoen | so? |
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| 00:56.20 | daemoen | ewww ubuntu/debian |
| 00:56.28 | Primer | daemoen: hear hear |
| 00:56.32 | Shirik | Screw fedora, screw ubuntu, screw debian |
| 00:56.33 | Arrowmaster | dont you fucking talk bad about debian |
| 00:56.36 | daemoen | hates the traditional logic of "its not my distro so it sucks" |
| 00:56.46 | Shirik | RHEL is ok |
| 00:56.46 | daemoen | Arrowmaster: its a simple concept. linux is linux |
| 00:56.48 | Primer | I would never use a debian based distro...ever |
| 00:57.03 | daemoen | the biggest difference between them? the package management |
| 00:57.07 | daemoen | thats about it right there |
| 00:57.18 | Shirik | SuSE is ok if you are trying to learn Linux |
| 00:57.19 | daemoen | ubuntu is the only one that ill say doesnt hold true to that (and gentoo/lfs) |
| 00:57.21 | Dashkal | Does your distro work for you? Yes? Good enough |
| 00:57.27 | daemoen | Dashkal: exactly |
| 00:57.29 | Shirik | Fedora works? |
| 00:57.35 | Kilroo | Let me put it this way, if WUU could browse Curse the way it can browse the now-deprecated wowace...and especially if it could do, say, WoWI too...I would be very surprised to find anything I considered better. |
| 00:57.46 | Primer | of course fedora works |
| 00:57.47 | daemoen | Shirik: when you know what youre doing with it, yes. |
| 00:57.57 | Kilroo | daemoen: Gobolinux is another exception. |
| 00:57.59 | Shirik | well dos works when you know what you're doing with it too |
| 00:58.02 | Primer | Unlike debian, you don't need a chroot to run 32 bit apps in fedora x86_64 |
| 00:58.09 | Synthetic | anyone like to rate my ui? |
| 00:58.21 | Primer | How long has that been an issue in debian/ubuntu? Oh, just forever... |
| 00:58.38 | Primer | Synthetic: no, we're having Linux distro wars at the moment |
| 00:58.42 | daemoen | Primer: there are ways around it, its just because of how they handle their libs |
| 00:58.45 | Primer | next it'll be vi vs. emacs |
| 00:58.46 | nymbia | i, for one, am deeply |
| 00:58.48 | nymbia | offended |
| 00:58.52 | [ArPharazon] | hey guys - anyone else experiencing weird issues on the curse.com site (e.g. comments are totally unordered) |
| 00:58.54 | daemoen | lol, VIM! |
| 00:59.00 | daemoen | wins |
| 00:59.13 | Dashkal | Primer: erm? Um, dunno what you're up to but I run firefox 3 32 bit just fine on my amd64 system |
| 00:59.19 | Shirik | emacs is crap |
| 00:59.20 | Kilroo | Primer: if Fedora manages that without having double libraries, I'm impressed. Otherwise, not so much. |
| 00:59.27 | Dashkal | no chroot, no funky scripts, I just run the damn executable |
| 00:59.31 | Primer | Of course it has double libraries |
| 00:59.36 | daemoen | can actually justify vim being the primary editor |
| 00:59.38 | Primer | you can't run 32 bit with 64 bit libraries |
| 00:59.39 | Primer | duh |
| 00:59.54 | Kilroo | What keeps you from using 32bit libs on Debian? |
| 00:59.58 | Shirik | I have found myself typing :wq in word |
| 00:59.59 | Primer | Dashkal: and your distro is...? |
| 01:00.00 | Kilroo | Ubuntu does that, doesn't it? |
| 01:00.04 | Dashkal | Primer: ubuntu |
| 01:00.10 | Kilroo | I don't keep track anymore, I use Arch. |
| 01:00.11 | Primer | Then this must be a recent development |
| 01:00.16 | Dashkal | Kilroo: ubuntu has dual libraries |
| 01:00.17 | fauxpas` | Synthetic: i could rate your interface if you care :P |
| 01:00.20 | Dashkal | Primer: I've been doing it since edge |
| 01:00.23 | Dashkal | edgy* |
| 01:00.29 | Primer | I don't know what that means |
| 01:00.32 | Primer | "edgy" |
| 01:00.33 | daemoen | Shirik: map <F11>ZZ |
| 01:00.40 | Dashkal | Primer: Edgy eft. Bout a year ago |
| 01:01.01 | daemoen | has f11 set to write, f12 set to quit without writing |
| 01:01.06 | Primer | meanwhile, fedora has had it since it had a 64 bit distro |
| 01:01.06 | Dashkal | It really just came down to installing the 32 bit libs and downloading the 32 bit standalone version of firefox. |
| 01:01.29 | Primer | Dashkal: and installing a 64 bit kernel with 32 bit support |
| 01:01.38 | Kilroo | I actually have a chroot (which I prefer) AND some 32-bit libs...the latter mostly because I got lazy when it came to nspluginwrapper and because for some reason WoW wouldn't work right on the chroot. |
| 01:01.40 | Dashkal | Primer: that came stock |
| 01:01.42 | Primer | unless they do that for you by now |
| 01:01.49 | Dashkal | Primer: that has _always_ come stock |
| 01:02.04 | Primer | Kilroo: oh, so now the truth comes out! |
| 01:02.12 | Dashkal | actually, I wasn't aware there was such a thing as a 64 bit linux kernel that didn't... |
| 01:02.25 | Primer | It's a compile-time option |
| 01:02.40 | Kilroo | Primer: not sure what you mean. |
| 01:02.47 | Primer | Kilroo: you have a chroot |
| 01:02.55 | Kilroo | Primer: so? |
| 01:03.01 | Dashkal | you speak of chroot environments like they're evil... It's pretty trivial to setup |
| 01:03.14 | Kilroo | It's also a cleaner way of supporting 32bit |
| 01:03.20 | Primer | I was an early x86_64 adopter. Trust me, I know chroots |
| 01:03.37 | daemoen | could point out that chroots are actually quite commonplace in fedora/rhel..... |
| 01:03.38 | Primer | "cleaner" is subjective |
| 01:03.41 | Dashkal | You know the original way they were done. Nowadays it's just a single command you prefix with and it "just works" |
| 01:03.53 | Kilroo | I suppose. |
| 01:03.56 | daemoen | bind is almost always run exclusively chrooted |
| 01:04.06 | Primer | but it's notoriously badly coded |
| 01:04.13 | Primer | and didn't drop privileges |
| 01:04.14 | Dashkal | I'm still using the libs method now simply because I did the work back in edgy when I installed. |
| 01:04.23 | Primer | after binding its port, the ONLY reason it ever needed root |
| 01:04.24 | Kilroo | Depends which you consider more cluttered, having a chroot environment on your system or having 32-bit libraries scattered all over the place. |
| 01:04.39 | daemoen | thinks its easier to have multiple systems :p |
| 01:04.48 | Kilroo | Well, not exactly scattered, I suppose. |
| 01:04.56 | Primer | Kilroo: How'd running X programs on your 64 bit X work from that chroot? |
| 01:05.01 | Dashkal | distro debates are fun and all but it's 6 and I get to go home now :p |
| 01:05.07 | Primer | it's a rhetorical question |
| 01:05.18 | Primer | me too |
| 01:05.37 | Kilroo | Primer: Um...that's a good question. Searchmonkey works fine, Rainlendar works fine... |
| 01:05.52 | Kilroo | Those are really most of what I use it for... |
| 01:06.11 | Primer | Well, if it works, then it's all good |
| 01:06.23 | Primer | I'm just saying, it can be a bitch to get that all working |
| 01:06.34 | Primer | like, bind mounting stuff inside the chroot to make it work |
| 01:06.38 | Kilroo | I suppose that's true. |
| 01:06.40 | Primer | like the X socket file |
| 01:06.50 | Primer | and /proc, /dev, /sys |
| 01:06.58 | Kilroo | The howto on the Arch wiki gets it pretty much running smoothly without much hassle though. |
| 01:07.08 | Primer | It's definitely viable |
| 01:07.14 | Primer | I did it for a long time |
| 01:07.27 | Primer | on genpoo, no less (god, what a nightmare that was) |
| 01:08.02 | daemoen | gentoo is fun :) |
| 01:08.08 | daemoen | not as in depth as LFS, but still decent |
| 01:08.20 | Primer | Anyhow, we Linux users should have solidarity, and not get into distro wars. So I must say, that I like debian/ubuntu :) |
| 01:08.28 | Primer | Gentoo is fun for like, a week |
| 01:08.35 | Primer | then it becomes more like a job |
| 01:08.43 | Primer | then it becomes a bad habit |
| 01:08.47 | Primer | bah, here I go again |
| 01:08.54 | Primer | /ignore me |
| 01:09.17 | daemoen | is a linux engineer... doesnt care what distro you stick him with so long as its not gobolinux |
| 01:09.39 | Primer | What do you engineer? |
| 01:09.59 | daemoen | systems administrator is the other way of saying it, sorry |
| 01:10.06 | Primer | yeah, same here |
| 01:10.08 | daemoen | sr level linux sysadmin :) |
| 01:10.16 | Primer | among many other things too |
| 01:10.24 | Primer | I've been using Linux as my desktop since 1995 |
| 01:10.29 | daemoen | nods |
| 01:10.37 | Primer | Slackware 3.0! |
| 01:10.39 | Primer | Kernel 1.2.13 |
| 01:10.43 | daemoen | i have sr level linux knowledge, only issue im running into these days is the damned level of enterprise exposure |
| 01:11.02 | daemoen | companies want people that have been on the enterprise side for years and years.... ive done mostly small companies and crap, lol |
| 01:11.19 | daemoen | got to love the silocon valley :-D |
| 01:11.22 | daemoen | grumbles |
| 01:11.25 | Primer | Heh |
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| 01:11.28 | daemoen | silicon |
| 01:12.40 | daemoen | where you at Primer? |
| 01:13.00 | Primer | Los Angeles area |
| 01:13.04 | Primer | you? |
| 01:13.07 | daemoen | norcal |
| 01:13.08 | daemoen | lol |
| 01:13.12 | daemoen | san jose |
| 01:13.12 | Primer | oh, duh |
| 01:13.13 | Primer | yeah |
| 01:13.17 | Synthetic | http://i38.tinypic.com/2iux6pu.png |
| 01:13.21 | Synthetic | have look hehe :) |
| 01:13.31 | daemoen | goes to fail it. |
| 01:13.33 | daemoen | snickers |
| 01:13.45 | Synthetic | chat eepanels from caith ui |
| 01:13.52 | daemoen | oi.. a 2MB png... ouch |
| 01:13.55 | fauxpas` | bonus points for eavesdrop! |
| 01:14.14 | Synthetic | reason why i used tiny pic hehe |
| 01:14.29 | Kilroo | I'm not really fond of distro wars either. I use Arch because I think the three best package managers for my temperament are aptitude, pacman, and conary, and of the distros that use those, Arch was the one I stuck with. |
| 01:14.31 | Primer | not enough contrast between HP and deficit |
| 01:14.47 | Synthetic | all good :)? |
| 01:14.50 | Kilroo | Anyhow, now that I've responded ten minutes late... |
| 01:14.53 | Kilroo | back to WoW |
| 01:14.55 | fauxpas` | i'd go for a more subtle buttonfacade skin (e.g. http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9096-ButtonFacade_simpleSquare.html with a darker shade) |
| 01:15.02 | Yssaril | Synthetic: take everything thats in the midlle and drop it down some no reason to have that much space between the bottom of the scrren and your buttons |
| 01:15.17 | Primer | I've been fond of redhat because they're not afraid to update to the latest and greatest |
| 01:15.28 | Primer | examples: First distro with glibc |
| 01:15.28 | fauxpas` | and a major problem: there is no bejeweled icon on your minimap! |
| 01:15.34 | Primer | First distro with gcc 3.x |
| 01:15.38 | Primer | etc... |
| 01:15.48 | daemoen | Primer: we were the first with gcc4 as a main compiler base too |
| 01:15.57 | daemoen | bejeweled? |
| 01:15.59 | daemoen | wassat? |
| 01:16.08 | Synthetic | yeh it looks a little wierd when there is not pet our. |
| 01:16.10 | Synthetic | out* |
| 01:16.23 | daemoen | Synthetic: what quest helper is that? |
| 01:16.27 | Kilroo | Well, Primer, Arch is a rolling release distro that's pretty close to bleeding edge, so you might think well of it. |
| 01:16.27 | fauxpas` | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11019-Bejeweled.html |
| 01:16.55 | daemoen | Kilroo: if hes already comfortable with redhat, going to be hard to beat fedora, we implement the latest technologies regularly |
| 01:17.16 | Primer | Another thing is that so-called "enterprise" standardizes on redhat |
| 01:17.16 | daemoen | arch is probably one of the only ones i havent played with much yet |
| 01:17.24 | Primer | which is why we deplay Centos for our servers :) |
| 01:17.31 | Primer | s/deplay/deploy/ |
| 01:17.50 | Synthetic | how did you know i was using button facade? |
| 01:17.50 | daemoen | Primer: just be careful not to have bind-caching-nameserver installed on servers that are serving out zone data.... lol |
| 01:18.05 | Primer | they fixed that already |
| 01:18.08 | daemoen | that one bit me in the butt twice before i figured out what the heck was causing my .zone files to wipe |
| 01:18.16 | Primer | oh |
| 01:18.20 | Primer | heh |
| 01:18.41 | Primer | You shouldn't mix authoritative and recursive into one process |
| 01:18.44 | daemoen | didnt even realize caching was installed until someone said to look for that as it sounded like something people were having issues with sure enough, it was there |
| 01:18.50 | daemoen | i didnt :p the install did, lol |
| 01:18.58 | daemoen | i should have audited the rpm install log but was lazy |
| 01:19.00 | Primer | yeah, they need to stop that |
| 01:19.33 | daemoen | it really sucked too cuz i had to rewrite all the .zones |
| 01:19.38 | Primer | Anyhow, good to see we Linux users are a force here. I'm out. |
| 01:19.44 | daemoen | my backup script had a small error in it * falls down laughing * |
| 01:19.53 | daemoen | forgot to --dereference in his tar command... |
| 01:20.27 | daemoen | its always on *my* servers that i make those mistakes, on the production stuff at offices im fussy as hell, on my stuff i hurry through it |
| 01:20.27 | daemoen | later Primer |
| 01:22.00 | ajmitch | probably quite a number of linux users around |
| 01:23.26 | Synthetic | any other comments? |
| 01:23.35 | daemoen | i still want to know what that questlog is |
| 01:23.47 | [ArPharazon] | any curse.com admins here ? |
| 01:24.04 | Arrowmaster | not admin but moderator |
| 01:24.18 | Arrowmaster | but im raiding |
| 01:24.36 | daemoen | goes back to trying to get to level 40 by tomorrow. |
| 01:24.48 | [ArPharazon] | Arrowmaster: i've noticed that the comments on my addon page are totally out of whack since the last update |
| 01:25.08 | Arrowmaster | syndication is fucked up and should be fixed tomorrow |
| 01:25.18 | mykx | Synthetic: which quest mod is that? |
| 01:25.30 | [ArPharazon] | syndication affects the comments system ? |
| 01:25.51 | Arrowmaster | yeah i think if a project got merged |
| 01:25.54 | Arrowmaster | or moved |
| 01:26.08 | daemoen | mykx: ive asked that twice already lol |
| 01:26.11 | [ArPharazon] | i dont think my project got merged or moved |
| 01:26.16 | Arrowmaster | otherwise its an unknown bug |
| 01:26.18 | mykx | ah didnt scroll up lol |
| 01:26.27 | mykx | well if he didn't answer twice no point asking again |
| 01:26.50 | Synthetic | quest mod? |
| 01:26.55 | daemoen | yes |
| 01:27.00 | mykx | huge box on the right of your screen |
| 01:27.03 | Synthetic | oh no hehe that wasnt a quest mod |
| 01:27.03 | daemoen | the one on the right side of your screen that says main guide |
| 01:27.15 | Synthetic | like it says, its a guide == |
| 01:27.35 | daemoen | which one :p |
| 01:27.49 | Synthetic | Zygor's guide |
| 01:28.18 | Arrowmaster | thats the one that uses cartographer right? |
| 01:28.47 | Synthetic | yes |
| 01:29.00 | mykx | eww you have to pay for it lol |
| 01:29.25 | Synthetic | heh btw uses a lot of memory |
| 01:30.23 | daemoen | anyone here ever used glyder? |
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| 01:30.55 | Synthetic | hiya scorpion |
| 01:31.31 | mykx | daemoen: glider or glyder? :\ |
| 01:31.47 | daemoen | whichever, lol |
| 01:32.00 | daemoen | the bot thingie that the guy is being sued by vivendi |
| 01:32.00 | Synthetic | has opie gone ace? |
| 01:32.27 | mykx | haven't used it but I hear they can detect it so not advised |
| 01:33.21 | Gnarfoz | it's not only not advised, it's against the ToU and thus not a topic that should be discussed here, at all |
| 01:33.40 | daemoen | Gnarfoz: wasnt looking at trying to cause issues, more along the lines of doing research. |
| 01:33.44 | Arrowmaster | theyve been able to detect it since before it was even released |
| 01:34.02 | daemoen | bots are illegal, but botting is generally defined as leaving presence and control while a program runs and acts on your behalf |
| 01:34.40 | daemoen | so im curious, are things like the wow helper which is supposedly just an advanced macro also illegal? |
| 01:34.53 | [ArPharazon] | blizzard won their court case vs the glider guy |
| 01:35.01 | Gnarfoz | what is "the wow helper" |
| 01:35.04 | [ArPharazon] | $6m settlement |
| 01:35.14 | daemoen | ouch... |
| 01:35.28 | [ArPharazon] | was just reading about it on bbc website |
| 01:35.35 | Gnarfoz | also: anything you can do with the wow UI (including macro system) is allowed, nothing else is |
| 01:35.54 | daemoen | wow helper was something i found googling |
| 01:36.08 | Gnarfoz | pretty generic name. ^^ |
| 01:36.22 | daemoen | im not interested in having a bot do everything for me, but targetting the same mob over and over gets tiring when griding, if i knew how the hell to write the macros id do that so that i can press 1 button and wham.... |
| 01:36.23 | daemoen | lol |
| 01:36.40 | daemoen | http://www.songwave.com/restrictedrealm/wow_helper.htm |
| 01:37.36 | daemoen | one of these days im going to try to find a *good* set of documentation on the macro system so that I can start improving things, but i have yet to find one that is complete |
| 01:38.20 | [ArPharazon] | "/target mob" |
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| 01:38.47 | Megalon | /targetexact <exact name> |
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| 01:39.02 | [ArPharazon] | heh |
| 01:39.06 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 01:39.06 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.07 | Gnarfoz | yay! |
| 01:39.45 | daemoen | [ArPharazon]: ok, i know that much, but lets say i want to sap, wait about 10 seconds while my mana regens, then do an ambush, wait 2 seconds, and finish up with sinister strike |
| 01:39.57 | Gnarfoz | and you want that in 1 button? |
| 01:40.01 | daemoen | from what i have been told, its not possible to do chains like this, which saves alot of time |
| 01:40.16 | Gnarfoz | i.e. you want something else to play the game for you :X |
| 01:40.33 | daemoen | Gnarfoz: umm, how is me setting up a fairly simple and basic combo having it play it for me? |
| 01:40.41 | Megalon | well, repetitive tasks are repetitive |
| 01:40.44 | daemoen | im still running, im still watching my health, im still taking care of the potions |
| 01:40.49 | Gnarfoz | uhm that's about as complicated as wow combat gets. |
| 01:40.50 | Megalon | thanks captain obivous for telling us |
| 01:40.59 | Gnarfoz | "the potions" this is not diablo |
| 01:41.00 | [ArPharazon] | the macro system doesnt allow you to use timed delays afaik |
| 01:41.07 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't |
| 01:41.17 | Megalon | well, not on spell casts |
| 01:41.28 | daemoen | and it treats all attacks as spells, correct? |
| 01:41.29 | Megalon | only on chest messages |
| 01:41.33 | daemoen | hrm. |
| 01:41.34 | Megalon | yea |
| 01:41.54 | [ArPharazon] | is it possible to chain macros ? |
| 01:42.04 | Legorol | yes, with /click |
| 01:42.31 | Legorol | however, you can't overcome any limitations that you have compared to having one gigantic macro |
| 01:43.03 | [ArPharazon] | "/in 10 /click blah" ? |
| 01:43.18 | vithos | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.19 | Megalon | oh, no clue if that works |
| 01:43.32 | vithos | it's a slashcommand provided by Ace2/3 |
| 01:43.39 | vithos | you can't cast from it |
| 01:43.42 | [ArPharazon] | aah its from ace |
| 01:43.44 | Legorol | [ArPharazon]: /in is provided by some 3rd party addons, and therefore it can't overcome any limitations imposed by Blizzard |
| 01:44.01 | daemoen | hrm |
| 01:44.01 | vithos | there's no way to do what you're asking for without breaking the ToS |
| 01:44.06 | [ArPharazon] | that probably explains why i couldnt find any documentation on it |
| 01:44.12 | daemoen | figures |
| 01:44.23 | daemoen | so much for making the repetitive not as repetitive |
| 01:44.51 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 01:44.53 | Legorol | the Golden Rule of macros/addons, as per the intentions of Blizzard: no macro or addon should be able to perform combat actions based on a) conditions existing in the game world (examples are your health, your position, your neighbour's hair colour) b) based on delays |
| 01:44.59 | Legorol | barring a few, welldocumented exceptions |
| 01:46.04 | [ArPharazon] | yeah - all actions require a keystroke from the user |
| 01:46.15 | Legorol | it's not just that it needs a keystroke, it's lot more than that |
| 01:46.26 | mykx | they are advocates for arthritis! |
| 01:46.26 | [ArPharazon] | such as ? |
| 01:46.31 | daemoen | whats to stop someone from writing an addon that automates things? should be fairly easy to do since the addons are all written in lua anyway |
| 01:46.31 | Legorol | the key here is that an action can't happen *selectively* |
| 01:46.41 | vithos | you can have an addon change what that keystroke does constantly, but only out of combat |
| 01:46.47 | Legorol | for example: a macro or addon can't decide for you what rank of healing spell to cast such as to exactly heal up the target |
| 01:47.04 | Legorol | daemoen: quite a lot of things stop it :) |
| 01:47.16 | Legorol | there are such things as protected function calls |
| 01:47.24 | Legorol | if you aren't familiar with them, read up on them |
| 01:47.29 | daemoen | Legorol: and yet, there are plenty of healing addons for priests that do exactly that (selectively determine which spells) |
| 01:47.29 | Synthetic | should i upload my ui? |
| 01:47.44 | Legorol | daemoen: no, no addon is capable of doing that |
| 01:47.59 | Legorol | you may be confusing it with addons that allow the user to associate different clicks/key combinations with different ranks |
| 01:48.42 | daemoen | ahh |
| 01:48.55 | Legorol | for example: |
| 01:49.14 | Legorol | you can have an addon display 25 grey squares on the screen, and when someone gets a cleanse-able debuff, one of them lights up red |
| 01:49.24 | Legorol | the user then clicks the appropriate square to cast cleanse on the target |
| 01:49.40 | Legorol | that is possible, but in such a scenario an addon is merely presenting information in a useful way, the choice is still made by the user |
| 01:50.20 | Legorol | another common example: associating different healing spell ranks to left-click, right-click, shift-left-click, control-right-click etc. |
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| 01:53.02 | daemoen | guess my problem is im just trying to make my levelling a bit more efficient, im always god awful slow once i get past 20, lol |
| 01:53.43 | Aeyan | There used to be auto downranking heal addons |
| 01:53.46 | Aeyan | I miss those, a bit. |
| 01:53.47 | Aeyan | Hehe |
| 01:54.07 | Aeyan | At least they fixed crap like auto downranking buffs |
| 01:55.55 | Synthetic | is there anyway to post your ui on wow ace? |
| 01:56.06 | Synthetic | i noticed they have a link to complications |
| 01:57.00 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 01:57.02 | Arrowmaster | they arent allowed |
| 01:57.14 | Arrowmaster | ever |
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| 01:58.08 | Synthetic | eh no point anyways i guess, about 5 weeks till exansion ships |
| 01:58.22 | Synthetic | time for dota :-) |
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| 02:00.08 | Dashkal | Mwrarf |
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| 02:00.59 | [ArPharazon] | kaelten - comments on curse.com are borked! |
| 02:01.03 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: you around? |
| 02:01.09 | [ArPharazon] | plsfix! |
| 02:01.13 | Dashkal | nev is gone until sunday |
| 02:01.15 | Kaelten | arPharazon you talking about the ordering? |
| 02:01.17 | Kaelten | damn |
| 02:01.18 | Kaelten | :s |
| 02:01.19 | [ArPharazon] | yep yep |
| 02:02.32 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten: fix syndication |
| 02:02.36 | Kaelten | arpharazon: we know, I'm not able to fix it personally. |
| 02:02.43 | Kaelten | Arrowmaster: they have a fix going out tonight |
| 02:03.00 | Arrowmaster | good |
| 02:03.23 | Arrowmaster | gona be fun to see if the link to omen in the top downloads box changes or not |
| 02:03.38 | Kaelten | :s |
| 02:05.18 | Adys | could someone give me an advice? I'm looking for a lightweight addon to improve the questlog. better sorting, or bigger size, or anything better than the default UI, wrath compatible if possible |
| 02:05.32 | Adys | any idea where I should look? browsed around wowinterface without much luck |
| 02:06.00 | daemoen | nquestlog? |
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| 02:07.16 | Adys | that looks like a complete questing suite, I just want something to make questlog easier to browse really |
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| 02:08.56 | fauxpas` | i use "doublewide" from wowinterface.com |
| 02:09.23 | fauxpas` | basically it changes your questlog so that the list is on the left and the quest info is on the right |
| 02:13.27 | ShinSR71 | beql does this too |
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| 02:17.09 | Arrowmaster | beql copied the code directly from doublewide |
| 02:18.03 | Kaelten | http://forums.wowace.com/ |
| 02:18.06 | Kaelten | does that look better? |
| 02:20.07 | ckknight | so my brother's getting married Saturday, and I have to make a speech to embarass him. Any ideas? |
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| 02:21.59 | mykx | bring up the time when you and him went to x and picked up 2 prostitutes |
| 02:22.02 | leech2k | So I am standing around in Victoria's secret, so awkward |
| 02:22.24 | Kaelten | ckknight: show his baby pictures where he peed on stuff |
| 02:22.37 | Kaelten | leech2k: lol |
| 02:23.23 | Adys | fauxpas` / daemoen : Jamash sent me a link to QuestLongList, which is pretty nice and clean :) but thanks |
| 02:25.16 | leech2k | Wife takes way to long in the dressing room maked me look like a pervert but atleast I have my blackberrywow nice |
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| 03:34.38 | Arrowmaster | so what are good times to transistion muru to phase2? |
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| 03:46.55 | Groktar | huggles you |
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| 03:52.44 | Groktar | we wiped on maulgar! |
| 03:54.47 | nymbia | grats! |
| 03:57.52 | mykx | lol wtf Groktar |
| 03:57.56 | Zyndrome | Arrowmaster , iirc we stop at like 3%, kill the sunfury mobs, sentinel spawns, then we finish off Muru for p2, killing the sentinel during the transition |
| 03:57.58 | Zyndrome | I THINK |
| 03:57.58 | mykx | is that possible ? :o |
| 03:58.05 | Zyndrome | ·_· |
| 03:58.22 | mykx | Zyndrome: yep that's what we do too |
| 03:58.34 | Kaelten | nymbia: long time no see man! |
| 04:01.03 | Zyndrome | after patch: "was that Muru? haha lol thought we were clearing trash" |
| 04:01.05 | Zyndrome | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 04:02.04 | nymbia | Kaelten: hey, how's it goin? |
| 04:02.30 | Kaelten | nymbia: tired |
| 04:02.39 | nymbia | i know the feeling, heh |
| 04:03.01 | Kaelten | been a long week |
| 04:03.03 | Kaelten | you? |
| 04:03.25 | nymbia | just been working way too much |
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| 04:04.39 | nymbia | but other than that been doing pretty good |
| 04:05.00 | Groktar | ninjas your car and replaces it with a hyundai |
| 04:05.31 | nymbia | what if my car was already a hyundai? |
| 04:05.46 | Groktar | replaces it with an older hundai |
| 04:05.50 | Groktar | *hyundai |
| 04:06.55 | nymbia | harsh |
| 04:07.00 | Groktar | also has a kia handy |
| 04:07.30 | nymbia | i'll keep my proper H-car thanks ;) |
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| 04:09.26 | Groktar | forces the kia on Curses instead |
| 04:09.41 | Curses | whoa! |
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| 04:10.33 | Groktar | it was either that or the hyundai |
| 04:10.34 | Groktar | >.> |
| 04:10.51 | nymbia | sounds like you got some crappy cars you need to unload O.o |
| 04:11.43 | Curses | I understand |
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| 04:20.46 | Kaelten | need common questions |
| 04:20.48 | Kaelten | please help |
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| 04:21.24 | Arrowmaster | "why did you fucking cunts take away WAU!!!!" |
| 04:21.38 | kadrahil | "qq moar" |
| 04:21.41 | Arrowmaster | that common enough? |
| 04:21.51 | Kaelten | :P |
| 04:22.07 | kadrahil | in other news, i has my illidan bow finally! |
| 04:22.39 | Curses | I have one on my warlock :) |
| 04:22.44 | Arrowmaster | illidan drops a bow? |
| 04:22.46 | Arrowmaster | never seen it |
| 04:22.52 | Curses | the mana drain one |
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| 04:22.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah never seen it |
| 04:23.05 | Curses | oh rough :( |
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| 04:59.38 | Xinhuan | how is my svn user/pass affected? |
| 04:59.40 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster |
| 05:00.49 | Arrowmaster | are you using svn:// or svn+ssh:// |
| 05:00.56 | Xinhuan | just svn:// |
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| 05:01.44 | Arrowmaster | use the link on the repo page |
| 05:01.53 | Arrowmaster | it will have the username in it |
| 05:02.10 | Arrowmaster | in the repo authorization page in your profile is where you set the svn pass |
| 05:02.42 | Xinhuan | well it says a password "Is Set" |
| 05:03.26 | Xinhuan | error i'm getting seems to be username not found |
| 05:03.30 | Xinhuan | for either Xinhuan or xinhuan |
| 05:03.30 | Arrowmaster | it might have been imported |
| 05:03.38 | Arrowmaster | use the link on the repo page |
| 05:03.48 | Xinhuan | which link are you talking about |
| 05:03.52 | Xinhuan | which repo page? |
| 05:04.19 | Arrowmaster | in the project, click repos |
| 05:04.37 | Xinhuan | what am i supposed to see? |
| 05:04.43 | Arrowmaster | some urls |
| 05:05.04 | Xinhuan | it just says my SVN password: Is Set |
| 05:05.10 | Xinhuan | and i have my ssh public key set there |
| 05:06.05 | Xinhuan | i'm not complaining about the address i'm supposed to commit to... i'm asking what my user/pass is |
| 05:06.16 | Arrowmaster | no the repo page in the project |
| 05:06.22 | Arrowmaster | but the username should be xinhuan |
| 05:07.04 | Xinhuan | ok it us |
| 05:07.05 | Xinhuan | is |
| 05:07.20 | Xinhuan | but what password is the right one? |
| 05:07.27 | Arrowmaster | i dont kow |
| 05:07.31 | Xinhuan | the one i used isn't working |
| 05:07.34 | Arrowmaster | just reset it if you want |
| 05:08.01 | Xinhuan | you mean i don't need my old password to set a new one?? |
| 05:09.09 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:09.23 | Arrowmaster | the svn password is seperate from the account password |
| 05:09.42 | *** part/#wowace Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-41-179.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:09.46 | Repo | 10threat-2-0: 03Xinhuan * r4 Threat-2.0/ThreatBlacklist.lua: Add Shield Orb (Kil'jaeden encounter) to threat blacklist. |
| 05:09.50 | Xinhuan | *rolls eyes* |
| 05:14.59 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: it has a very good reason to be seperate |
| 05:15.29 | Xinhuan | i'm not saying its bad, i was just expecting the password to be imported from the old wowace svn heh |
| 05:15.46 | Kaelten | hehe problem with that was... we had no way of tracking whats what in the old system |
| 05:15.50 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: also if you don't know your login password for some reaosn I can give you a temp one. |
| 05:16.30 | Xinhuan | nah its ok, i committed sucessfully just a few lines up |
| 05:33.07 | Kaelten | :) |
| 05:33.08 | Kaelten | sweet |
| 05:34.47 | renchap | starts migrating internal repository from cvs to svn... |
| 05:34.54 | renchap | about 100 000 revs |
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| 05:36.35 | Repo | 10mounted: 03yssaril * 0.0.1b-1-g7d0ebd9 Mounted.lua: will now use bugmounts in AQ |
| 05:36.36 | Repo | will switch to Attack macro when you can not mount (when you are inside) |
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| 05:37.41 | testing | hrm |
| 05:37.43 | testing | I'm testing |
| 05:37.47 | testing | someone talk to me |
| 05:37.48 | testing | please |
| 05:38.26 | renchap | talks |
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| 05:40.41 | Repo | 10mounted: 03yssaril * 0.0.1b-2-ga2b9e79 Mounted.toc: update toc |
| 05:45.44 | *** topic/#wowace by Kaelten -> http://www.wowace.com/announcements/the-road-ahead-or-how-i-finally-got-the-forums-off/| http://www.wowace.com | http://ace.pastey.net | http://www.lua.org |
| 05:46.01 | Kaelten | and g'night |
| 05:48.29 | Arrowmaster | spammers are hitting my server right now |
| 05:48.33 | Arrowmaster | killing orcs in org |
| 05:48.37 | Arrowmaster | on some invis wall |
| 05:48.51 | CIA-61 | tourguide: 03Tekkub 07wrathguides * rf79de58 10/ TourGuide_Alliance/70_71_Borean_Tundra.lua : Add some missing quests to ally borean - http://is.gd/3sLW |
| 05:48.51 | CIA-61 | tourguide: 03Tekkub 07wrathguides * rbd1e773 10/ (2 files): Fix ally dragonblight and grizzhills so they actually load - http://is.gd/3sLX |
| 05:50.19 | Curses_ | jesus finally |
| 05:51.42 | Yssaril | damn the packager is fast |
| 05:55.06 | vhaarr | bah JUST missed kaelten |
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| 05:56.10 | vhaarr | vulcanus was the forum guru right? |
| 05:56.13 | vhaarr | ~seen vulcanus |
| 05:56.14 | purl | vulcanus <n=Vulcanus@195134033171.customer.alfanett.no> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 13h 40m 49s ago, saying: 'the reason why theres dupes tho is because you have Release-tagged 2.4.3e inyour list of files :p you should delete them manually :p'. |
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| 06:48.52 | Pkekyo| | ~day |
| 06:48.53 | purl | somebody said day was saved again by... CAPTAIN PROTON! (corny theme music), or Friday. |
| 06:49.12 | Pkekyo| | wooo, weekend :) |
| 06:49.30 | VonhintenHOME` | time to keep drinking, eh Pkekyo |
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| 06:50.22 | Pkekyo| | I'm not as think as you drunk I am! |
| 06:52.48 | mitch0 | hrmp. the tab-order on the login page is annoying |
| 06:53.07 | mitch0 | tab from the username field goes to the submit button, not the password field |
| 06:53.47 | Pkekyo| | VonhintenHOME`: no, haven't been drinking for some time, nor am I inclined to start... just happy that I might actually get the weekend off from work |
| 06:54.50 | VonhintenHOME` | you stopped drinking after the big bender you were on last time? |
| 06:55.20 | VonhintenHOME` | your liver threaten to leave you? |
| 06:55.43 | Pkekyo| | when was last time? :P |
| 06:55.55 | Pkekyo| | and afaik my liver is fine |
| 06:56.00 | VonhintenHOME` | I dunno, I have a shitty concept of time... a month or few ago |
| 06:56.39 | Pkekyo| | well, yeah, kinda |
| 06:57.38 | Repo | 10xperl: 03Zeksie * r175 XPerl_Highlight.lua: XPerl: Fix for healcomms (sorry for spam). drycode. |
| 06:57.40 | Pkekyo| | for some obscure reason boozing and job hunting isn't too great of a combination... |
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| 07:51.19 | Fogger | bah, I miss WAU so much! :( |
| 07:51.36 | Fogger | will there ever be an alternative to equal it? |
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| 07:53.08 | mitch0 | there is the curse client |
| 07:54.32 | Fogger | Been testing it, click "Check for Updates" & nothing appears to change :\ |
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| 07:55.30 | Fogger | it has a few other oddities also |
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| 07:56.22 | Fogger | I realise it is still beta tho |
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| 07:59.31 | Fogger | according to Curse Client, my Omen is up-to-date, but it clearly isnt. |
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| 08:02.23 | Fogger | I also suspect it has replaced my newer version mods with older versions |
| 08:04.18 | vithos | it did that to me too. |
| 08:04.51 | Fogger | WAU was something you could trust! |
| 08:05.36 | Fogger | Curse just feels like another wowmatrix. |
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| 08:07.09 | Xinhuan | why do you think its not up to date? |
| 08:07.49 | Fogger | the addon itself says there is a newer version. |
| 08:08.17 | Arrowmaster | Fogger: syndication is bugged until tomorrow so listings on curse are not correct |
| 08:08.20 | Fogger | my rev is 7xxxx but Omen is currently in 8xxxx |
| 08:08.33 | Repo | 10xperl: 03Zeksie * r176 / (31 files in 17 directories): |
| 08:08.34 | Repo | XPerl: Will now reflect the wowace build number in tooltip/options. |
| 08:08.42 | Fogger | oh right |
| 08:08.43 | Xinhuan | technically it should be on some 2 digit revision now |
| 08:08.53 | Arrowmaster | no it shouldnt |
| 08:08.58 | Arrowmaster | if it is then we are fucked |
| 08:09.15 | Xinhuan | i better check my threat-2.0 commit |
| 08:09.22 | Arrowmaster | yes you better |
| 08:09.27 | vithos | Recount that i had to manually download because CC downgraded me, is on r901 now |
| 08:09.42 | Arrowmaster | recount isnt a lib |
| 08:09.46 | Arrowmaster | so its fine |
| 08:10.00 | vithos | oh right, we're not really talking about Omen |
| 08:10.08 | vithos | i forgot |
| 08:10.24 | Xinhuan | i made changes to ThreatBlackList.lua just now and commited it as r4 |
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| 08:10.34 | Arrowmaster | r4? |
| 08:10.35 | Xinhuan | appears that all svn properties for updating revision numbers were remoevd |
| 08:10.38 | Xinhuan | the file still says local MINOR_VERSION = tonumber(("$Revision: 68700 $"):match("%d+")) |
| 08:10.41 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 08:10.49 | Xinhuan | [10/3 13:09:37] <Repo> threat-2-0: Xinhuan * r4 Threat-2.0/ThreatBlacklist.lua: Add Shield Orb (Kil'jaeden encounter) to threat blacklist. |
| 08:10.50 | Arrowmaster | heh |
| 08:10.54 | Arrowmaster | so the history is gone? |
| 08:10.57 | Xinhuan | appears so |
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| 08:11.03 | Arrowmaster | thats fine |
| 08:11.10 | Xinhuan | and whats more, the svn number isn't adjusted in the file |
| 08:11.11 | Arrowmaster | we should just get charons git repo of it |
| 08:11.24 | Xinhuan | so any updates won't be apparent to any user that downloads omen |
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| 08:12.25 | Xinhuan | yep i was correct, all properties on all files were removed |
| 08:12.32 | Arrowmaster | no they werent |
| 08:12.36 | Arrowmaster | svn:keywords were |
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| 08:12.42 | Xinhuan | well that's what i meant |
| 08:13.00 | Arrowmaster | was done so that keywords would be preserved |
| 08:13.04 | Xinhuan | actally it does seem like ALL properties were removed |
| 08:13.10 | Arrowmaster | cant |
| 08:13.13 | Xinhuan | my checkout has no properties on any file/folder |
| 08:13.35 | Xinhuan | not even libs |
| 08:13.37 | Arrowmaster | thats probably because threat-2.0 has no history |
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| 08:13.53 | Arrowmaster | then how the fuck to people still have tsvn:logtemplates |
| 08:13.59 | Xinhuan | i dont' know |
| 08:14.05 | Arrowmaster | and keep annoying me with them |
| 08:14.10 | Xinhuan | but i can assure you threat-2.0 once DID used to have a tsvm:logtemplate |
| 08:14.12 | Xinhuan | its gone now as well |
| 08:14.20 | Xinhuan | something caused all properties to be removed |
| 08:14.40 | mitch0 | I saw a drunk dwarf messing around in the datacenter |
| 08:14.42 | Arrowmaster | threat-2.0 has no history |
| 08:14.44 | Arrowmaster | thats why |
| 08:14.55 | Xinhuan | well why does it have no history? |
| 08:14.56 | Arrowmaster | it wasnt really copies |
| 08:15.00 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 08:15.05 | Arrowmaster | blame ckk |
| 08:15.14 | Arrowmaster | a lot of things lost history i think |
| 08:15.29 | Xinhuan | hmm maybe i should manual bump that revision number |
| 08:15.45 | Arrowmaster | add 100k to it? |
| 08:15.50 | mitch0 | that's what I did |
| 08:15.59 | Xinhuan | its a bit more complex than you think |
| 08:16.01 | mitch0 | but then I commited without svn:keyswords set... |
| 08:16.06 | Xinhuan | because each file in threat-2.0 has its own revision number |
| 08:16.07 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 08:16.08 | mitch0 | so it became 165545 :) |
| 08:16.20 | Xinhuan | and the lib goes thru ALL of them and gets the largest number |
| 08:16.28 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: i know, so you need to add the +100k to every file |
| 08:16.28 | mitch0 | fortunately the packager borked at that time, so I could correct the issue :) |
| 08:16.33 | Xinhuan | so about 40 files, 40 revision numbers |
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| 08:16.59 | Arrowmaster | there he is |
| 08:17.05 | Arrowmaster | just get his git clone |
| 08:17.12 | Arrowmaster | and well switch to that |
| 08:17.14 | Xinhuan | by manual editing, i meant me just adding 1000 to that file i modified |
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| 08:18.39 | Repo | 10statlogiclib: 03Whitetooth * r178 StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: StatLogicLib: |
| 08:18.40 | Repo | - deDE locale update |
| 08:18.41 | Repo | - Fixed utf8 error for deDE |
| 08:18.49 | mitch0 | har har :) |
| 08:19.06 | mitch0 | arrow is destroying his keyboard now :) |
| 08:19.18 | Arrowmaster | Whitetooth: you kill me! |
| 08:19.42 | Whitetooth | qq |
| 08:19.49 | Xinhuan | i'm probably just going to manual bump the revision number in that file to 90000 |
| 08:19.53 | mitch0 | arrow: but really, why don't you remove all those tsvn:logtemplate props? :) |
| 08:20.02 | Arrowmaster | im lazy? |
| 08:20.09 | Xinhuan | that's my laziest solution |
| 08:20.24 | mitch0 | find . -type f | while read a; do svn propdel tsvn:logtemplate "$a"; done |
| 08:20.32 | Arrowmaster | charon: we lost threat-2.0 history |
| 08:20.40 | Arrowmaster | mitch0: would require checking out every repo |
| 08:21.05 | Xinhuan | well the whole threat-2.0 lib relies entirely on revision numbering for upgrading |
| 08:21.29 | mitch0 | arrow: probly you can do that with svn ls | svn propset on repo combo |
| 08:21.49 | mitch0 | propdel even |
| 08:22.13 | mitch0 | erm, no. too bad |
| 08:22.31 | mitch0 | well, then checkout every repo. so what? disk is cheap |
| 08:22.38 | Arrowmaster | diskcapacity[C:\ (3.39GB Free, 149.04GB Total), F:\ (0.89GB Free, 232.88GB Total), G:\ (2.97GB Free, 232.88GB Total), L:\ (4.28GB Free, 465.76GB Total), Total (11.53GB Free, 1.06TB Total)] |
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| 08:22.58 | Arrowmaster | i would have to lookup the location of every repo |
| 08:23.16 | Arrowmaster | and theres like 2000 |
| 08:23.25 | mitch0 | don't you have access to that list? (I can't keep track who is and is not part of the cf team) |
| 08:23.39 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: just re-add the svn property and in the revision variable do $Rev$ + oldSvnRev ? |
| 08:24.10 | Xinhuan | how about no, i'm too lazy to do that, would have to edit 40 files |
| 08:24.19 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: the svn keywords/properties were probably lost on Threat-2.0 because the projects had to be merged or something |
| 08:24.22 | vhaarr | aha |
| 08:24.28 | Xinhuan | and i dont' expect there to be any commits to threat-2.0 |
| 08:24.37 | Xinhuan | and it will be a deprecated lib on patch 3.0 in 12 days |
| 08:24.38 | vhaarr | well I'm sure it's a simple rx sweep |
| 08:24.41 | vhaarr | true |
| 08:25.03 | Elgren | you guys are hardcore |
| 08:25.20 | Xinhuan | dont' forget ALL libraries are probably broken in this way as well |
| 08:25.21 | Elgren | cant understand a damn word |
| 08:25.24 | vhaarr | hrm it won't even be accurate any more |
| 08:25.25 | Xinhuan | with revision numbering |
| 08:25.34 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: yes they are |
| 08:26.03 | vhaarr | if a user updates 9/10 addons and the 10th addon has old revisions of a library, he's fucked |
| 08:26.29 | Xinhuan | until those 9/10 addons have a version of the lib that has been modified to add 90000 |
| 08:26.34 | vhaarr | the library will try to be "upgraded" from rev 1-100 to the oldsvn rev library. |
| 08:26.41 | vhaarr | right |
| 08:27.13 | Arrowmaster | which is why all svn:keywords were removed |
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| 08:27.35 | vhaarr | aha, okay |
| 08:27.41 | Xinhuan | which makes the problem worse, because updated libs wont' even load because they remain the same rev number |
| 08:27.52 | vhaarr | I thought it might've been a merge glitch in threat-2.0, but that makes sense |
| 08:27.55 | Arrowmaster | no i think the other is worse |
| 08:28.12 | Xinhuan | people could at least see that the rev number changed to 2 digits |
| 08:28.14 | Xinhuan | its better that way |
| 08:28.17 | Arrowmaster | the other way it would always be overwritten until you edited it to increase the number |
| 08:28.19 | Xinhuan | than for a non-changing rev number |
| 08:28.19 | vhaarr | better for who? |
| 08:28.24 | vhaarr | us or the users |
| 08:28.38 | Arrowmaster | this way if it loads first its not overwriten |
| 08:28.51 | Xinhuan | that just makes debugging worse you realize |
| 08:28.58 | Arrowmaster | no it doesnt |
| 08:29.00 | Xinhuan | to have multiple versions of the lib at the same rev number |
| 08:29.11 | Xinhuan | ppl expect the same lib to be identical if it has the same rev number |
| 08:29.13 | Arrowmaster | should have added the properties back sooner then |
| 08:29.19 | vhaarr | not if you're aware of the situation and fix your library |
| 08:29.33 | Xinhuan | if addonA has r12345a and addonB has r12345b, the confused user wouldn't know |
| 08:29.39 | Xinhuan | which is newer? |
| 08:29.56 | KriLL3 | b? |
| 08:29.57 | Xinhuan | well no one has fixed ace2 libs yet |
| 08:30.17 | vhaarr | I wasn't aware of the problem until now |
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| 08:30.34 | Xinhuan | or ace3 either, but ace3 uses manual rev numbering, so it isn't a problem with ace3 |
| 08:30.36 | Arrowmaster | ace2 hasnt been touched since the impport |
| 08:30.47 | Arrowmaster | or it shouldnt have been |
| 08:30.59 | vhaarr | it hasn't, only need to fix it when there's an actual change |
| 08:31.07 | vhaarr | no reason to do a commit solely for this |
| 08:31.13 | Xinhuan | except that only 3 ppl in this channel know it |
| 08:31.25 | vhaarr | noone else is likely to change ace2 anyway |
| 08:31.38 | Arrowmaster | no one else can =D |
| 08:31.41 | Xinhuan | do you, for a moment, suspect whitetooth to have updated his statlogiclib at all to account for the lib numbering change? |
| 08:31.41 | Arrowmaster | its locked |
| 08:31.43 | vhaarr | but it should be posted somewhere, yes |
| 08:31.55 | Xinhuan | he's done no less than 5 commits in the last 2 days |
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| 08:32.05 | Whitetooth | well, I've added 40000 to it |
| 08:32.07 | Arrowmaster | lets ask him then |
| 08:32.19 | Arrowmaster | only 40000? |
| 08:32.20 | Xinhuan | you'll have to add 90000 |
| 08:32.28 | Xinhuan | not 40000 |
| 08:32.29 | Whitetooth | why 90000? |
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| 08:32.35 | Arrowmaster | what was the old rev? |
| 08:32.38 | vhaarr | because the old svn was at 90000? |
| 08:32.40 | Xinhuan | because the last commit to wowace svn was about 80k |
| 08:32.50 | vhaarr | 40k won't fix it, 90k will |
| 08:32.53 | Xinhuan | and your revision number is about 2 digits now |
| 08:33.14 | Xinhuan | so to most users, 40000+10 = 40010 = won't be upgraded over 80000 |
| 08:33.45 | vhaarr | except, of course, if his lib hadn't changed since the 30k's |
| 08:33.52 | Xinhuan | although his lib's last commit was r178, so 40178 then |
| 08:34.22 | Whitetooth | hmm my bad I'll update it again |
| 08:34.36 | Xinhuan | check that the svn: keywords property is still there too |
| 08:35.00 | Repo | 10threat-2-0: 03Xinhuan * r5 Threat-2.0/ThreatBlacklist.lua: |
| 08:35.01 | Repo | Manually bump internal revision number of ThreatBlackList.lua of my last commit to 90000, since the wowace svn repository move broke revision numbering for library upgrading. Won't be an issue once patch 3.0 hits and this library becomes deprecated. (Note: This issue affects ALL libraries hosted on wowace) |
| 08:35.04 | Whitetooth | ok thanks |
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| 08:35.50 | Xinhuan | technically, threat-2.0 would still work in patch 3.0 heh |
| 08:35.56 | vhaarr | nah |
| 08:36.04 | vhaarr | threat multipliers would be wrong |
| 08:36.16 | Xinhuan | yah it would be wrong, but it can be fixed to the right multipliers, etc |
| 08:36.26 | vhaarr | yes |
| 08:36.33 | vhaarr | if it was updated it would work |
| 08:36.44 | Xinhuan | main issue right now with blizzard's threat api - well 2 main issues |
| 08:36.48 | Arrowmaster | ok i dont think svn:keywords were removed from everything |
| 08:36.53 | vhaarr | and Vigilance would have to be implemented, a permanent MD |
| 08:36.56 | Xinhuan | issue 1: it updates only about once every 1-2 seconds |
| 08:37.12 | Arrowmaster | poking statlogiclib and nomatter how back i go the keywords are still set |
| 08:37.17 | Xinhuan | so the accuracy of threat is only as good as blizzard's interval |
| 08:37.49 | vhaarr | 1-2 seconds is not nearly enough |
| 08:37.49 | Xinhuan | issue 2: you cannot get threat info of a mob you aren't in direct combat with - this also means you can't get threat info of your pet on a mob until you manually enter combat with said mob |
| 08:38.16 | Xinhuan | well the only way of getting more accurate threat is to implement threat-3.0 |
| 08:38.37 | vhaarr | or update 2.0 with the new multipliers and abilities? |
| 08:38.40 | Xinhuan | and finding out the exact threat values of every skill and situation |
| 08:38.50 | Repo | 10statlogiclib: 03Whitetooth * r179 / (2 files in 2 directories): StatLogicLib: Add 90000 to MINOR_VERSION |
| 08:39.02 | Xinhuan | that's something i don't even want to do |
| 08:39.31 | Xinhuan | there's a huge number of abilities that each of unique sideeffects |
| 08:39.46 | Xinhuan | and has different threat values if the mob is immune to sideeffects of said spell |
| 08:40.02 | Xinhuan | there's a huge number of abilities that each have* unique sideeffects |
| 08:40.29 | Xinhuan | a lot of spells have threat values that scale with a certain aspect of your character as well |
| 08:40.41 | Xinhuan | for example, devastate does "damage + 5% x AP" threat in beta |
| 08:40.54 | Xinhuan | so that would mean you need to find out your AP at the point the devastate landed |
| 08:41.09 | vhaarr | or just look at the actual damage caused? |
| 08:41.10 | Xinhuan | and then the sunder effect could have been applied, immune, or just refreshed, or not landed |
| 08:41.21 | Xinhuan | nope notice i said "damage + 5% x AP" ? |
| 08:41.26 | Xinhuan | looking at damage caused isn't enough |
| 08:41.35 | vhaarr | aha |
| 08:41.55 | Xinhuan | i believe thunderclap is 17%xAP |
| 08:42.09 | Xinhuan | hmm wrong |
| 08:42.10 | Xinhuan | Thunder Clap _________ 1.85 x damage |
| 08:42.30 | Xinhuan | things like cleave: |
| 08:42.31 | Xinhuan | Cleave _______________ damage + 225 (split) |
| 08:42.42 | Xinhuan | you would have to figure out the number of targets hit |
| 08:42.43 | Repo | 10tiphookerlib: 03Whitetooth * r50 / (2 files in 2 directories): TipHookerLib: Add 90000 to MINOR_VERSION |
| 08:43.07 | Xinhuan | Vigilance ____________ 10% of target's generated threat (stance modifier is not applied) |
| 08:43.21 | vhaarr | yeah |
| 08:43.29 | Xinhuan | satrina has even figured out that blizzard servers uses integers to determine threat |
| 08:43.35 | vhaarr | oO |
| 08:43.42 | Xinhuan | because their numbers used are x100 of what we currently use |
| 08:43.49 | Xinhuan | a "normal threat" would x100 |
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| 08:44.04 | Xinhuan | with salv buff, the server would x70 |
| 08:44.12 | Sallas | Hallo peeps |
| 08:44.15 | Xinhuan | i.e it uses integers, not floating point x0.7 |
| 08:44.45 | Sallas | Any1 who could help me out with a addon related thing ? :) |
| 08:45.00 | vhaarr | ~asktoask |
| 08:45.02 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 08:45.06 | Fogger | Sallas: just ask your question :) |
| 08:45.09 | Xinhuan | so defensive stance in beta is x207.35 but the decimal part is dropped after the multiplication |
| 08:45.13 | Sallas | ^^ |
| 08:45.19 | Sallas | Okey it's about X-perl. |
| 08:45.31 | Sallas | the newest update throwd something in the middel of the screen |
| 08:45.34 | Sallas | and I can't get it away |
| 08:45.47 | Sallas | it's like hp, mana bar and some stats for me and my target |
| 08:45.58 | Sallas | and I can't find any options to take it away. |
| 08:46.08 | Sallas | So my question. any1 know how to get this off ? |
| 08:46.13 | Xinhuan | are you even sure its xperl? |
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| 08:46.30 | Sallas | yepp I disabled xperl and it was gone. |
| 08:46.41 | Sallas | and when I enabled it, it was back :P |
| 08:46.44 | Fogger | is that the Raid Monitor? |
| 08:47.07 | Sallas | It seams to only be up in raids. haven't seen in 5 man grps tho |
| 08:47.54 | Sallas | I mean xperl is awsome dont wanna leave it just because of one screw up, but serisuly I can't play with that in the middel of my screen :( |
| 08:48.11 | Fogger | try holding some modifier key like Alt/ctrl/shift when dragging, or just disable the Raid Monitor module in Addons List |
| 08:49.12 | Sallas | yeah but the thing is I can't target it or anything. it's just is there and no way I can move it or anything. |
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| 08:49.23 | Sallas | have tried every option in xperl |
| 08:49.38 | Fogger | I havent tried the new version, CC tells me there is no new version :P |
| 08:49.46 | Sallas | but haven't tried disabling raid monitor tho. but I might need the other stuff from that tho. |
| 08:49.49 | Sallas | lulz |
| 08:49.58 | Sallas | Mine got updated yesterday atleast |
| 08:50.32 | Sallas | and since then, that thing came. |
| 08:51.13 | Fogger | Raid Monitor just shows MT's tho doesnt it? not you & you're target, unless you are MT? |
| 08:51.13 | Sallas | Gues I have to shopp around for a new UI >.< |
| 08:51.42 | Xinhuan | or you can revert to the last version of xperl before you updated it |
| 08:51.50 | Xinhuan | you DID backup your addons folder right? |
| 08:52.00 | Sallas | sry I dont think that far :P |
| 08:52.40 | thul | Sallas: then you die |
| 08:52.45 | Sallas | damn. |
| 08:52.46 | thul | A SLOW AND PAINFULL DEATH! |
| 08:53.13 | Fisker- | captures Xinhuan and tortures him |
| 08:53.14 | Sallas | death isn't fun |
| 08:53.26 | Sallas | takes so long time to get ressed :P |
| 08:53.41 | thul | DEATH AND TAXES |
| 08:54.05 | Repo | 10rating-buster: 03Whitetooth 04r168.1 * r169 : Tagging as r168.1. |
| 08:56.08 | Xinhuan | Whitetooth, have you considered rewriting statlogiclib from scratch? make it more optimized, smaller, faster, and only have search strings for wrath 3.0 onwards |
| 08:56.17 | Whitetooth | yes I have |
| 08:57.07 | Whitetooth | I'd like to make it modular, its getting too big |
| 08:57.33 | Sallas | okey another question. |
| 08:57.39 | Sallas | How are you all guys doing ? :) |
| 08:57.54 | Xinhuan | i'm trying to fish up pinchy number 3 |
| 08:58.00 | Xinhuan | since the first 2 failed to give me a pet |
| 08:58.07 | Sallas | doh' |
| 08:58.26 | Whitetooth | for searching all it does is a table lookup, I thought table lookups should be fast |
| 08:58.56 | Xinhuan | its big primarily because of a lot of fringe cases |
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| 09:00.26 | Xinhuan | and also having code in it that isn't used anywhere |
| 09:00.33 | Xinhuan | like the base stats of each race/class stuff |
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| 09:00.48 | Xinhuan | and also the buff/talent scanning stuff |
| 09:01.03 | Xinhuan | i don't think those were really necessary |
| 09:01.38 | Sallas | okey disabling raid monitor didn't do anything |
| 09:01.55 | Whitetooth | race/class stuff is just comments for now |
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| 09:02.36 | Whitetooth | buff/talent is important to in order to get the stats right |
| 09:03.50 | Sallas | *dances* I think I found it. it's the HuD thingy.. |
| 09:03.52 | Arrowmaster | http://zip.4chan.org/v/src/1223022846282.jpg |
| 09:03.53 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 09:04.46 | Whitetooth | but yeah there's a lot of compat code in it now, but I'll remove the tbc stuff after wotlk goes live |
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| 09:13.20 | KriLL3 | Whitetooth: bah, what about the 4-5 guys that don't upgrade to LK? :( what will they do? |
| 09:13.48 | Whitetooth | they still have patch 3.0.2 |
| 09:13.59 | KriLL3 | what if they refuse to patch? |
| 09:14.09 | Whitetooth | they can't log in qq |
| 09:14.13 | KriLL3 | they might not want the 51p talents and other awesome |
| 09:14.23 | JY` | they might want to buy war |
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| 09:30.04 | Repo | 10zomgbuffs: 03Zeksie * r5 / (3 files in 2 directories): |
| 09:30.04 | Repo | ZOMGBuffs: Fix version compare between old&new svn revisions. |
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| 09:58.26 | sztanpet | how long will wau succeed in updating addons? |
| 09:59.19 | KriLL3 | it doesn't anymore |
| 09:59.36 | sztanpet | ty |
| 09:59.40 | KriLL3 | the list isn't updatable anymore |
| 09:59.58 | KriLL3 | you can "update" to the versions on there now, but they'll get older and older compared to the recent builds |
| 10:01.05 | Matrix110| | I dont get the Curse Client it fails at saving settings totally |
| 10:01.25 | Matrix110| | everytime I start it it has Auto Update enabled and I have to login again |
| 10:01.51 | KriLL3 | I don't like that it wants to sit in the tray and wants to do a ton more stuff than updating addons, feels unfocused |
| 10:02.17 | KriLL3 | wau was a lot more clear cut |
| 10:02.17 | sztanpet | its getting better though |
| 10:02.25 | Repo | 10yurr-combat-log: 03copystring * r115 Config.lua: YurrCombatLog: |
| 10:02.26 | Repo | - add missing ACTION_SPELL_REFLECT and ACTION_DAMAGE_SHIELD_MISSED_REFLECT |
| 10:02.34 | Matrix110| | and what I miss totally is a status |
| 10:02.42 | Matrix110| | AddOns get updated and I dont even get it told |
| 10:02.43 | Matrix110| | wtf |
| 10:03.07 | KriLL3 | what it does have poor feedback, you click update and you sit there wondering if it did anything |
| 10:03.08 | sztanpet | only if you set auto-update to on |
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| 10:03.19 | Matrix110| | Let me quote myself: |
| 10:03.25 | Matrix110| | "everytime I start it it has Auto Update enabled and I have to login again" |
| 10:04.51 | Matrix110| | Because I atleast like seeing that X got updated and I suddenly get errors and got no idea where they come from :P |
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| 10:12.37 | thul | http://fc33.deviantart.com/fs36/i/2008/276/d/7/Rizaku_Uchiha_Cosplay_9_by_DoomsdayTails.jpg <- this is _the_ best image at Deviantart. |
| 10:20.44 | KriLL3 | is there a way to automatically sell "something of the something" green items at vendors? |
| 10:21.22 | Repo | 10yurr-combat-log: 03copystring * r116 .pkgmeta: YurrCombatLog: |
| 10:21.22 | Repo | - remove duplicate entry in .pkgmeta |
| 10:22.49 | orionshock | KriLL3: yes |
| 10:22.55 | KriLL3 | how? |
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| 10:23.06 | orionshock | write a mod for it :D |
| 10:23.19 | KriLL3 | ... k |
| 10:23.36 | orionshock | find an addon that already sells gray items by name, switch out the pattern for one that does what you want |
| 10:23.41 | KriLL3 | there is already Auto Profit X but it's filters are for individual items, so I'd have to add the billions of combinations |
| 10:23.56 | orionshock | find a simple one |
| 10:24.01 | orionshock | like the one in automation |
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| 10:24.20 | KriLL3 | I'm sadly not a coder, well I know assembly, javascript, css (x)html etc but I don't think that'll help |
| 10:24.34 | orionshock | .. tsol comes to mind then... |
| 10:24.54 | orionshock | i'd start with automation's vendor thing-a-ma-jig. figure out how it works and go from there. |
| 10:25.16 | KriLL3 | I already use APX |
| 10:25.34 | KriLL3 | too bad you can't add * or similar to the filters |
| 10:25.40 | orionshock | im not sugesting you use automation |
| 10:25.46 | orionshock | im sugesting you write your own addon :D |
| 10:25.48 | KriLL3 | * of the * would work wouldn't it? perhaps quality = green |
| 10:26.01 | KriLL3 | orionshock: I don't have the skills needed |
| 10:26.23 | orionshock | right, you think you don't have the skills needed. |
| 10:26.44 | KriLL3 | well I don't know LUA or anything similar... |
| 10:26.51 | orionshock | but you do; it's a matter of figuring it out. you got the other languages down. |
| 10:27.12 | orionshock | learn by example. take other mods and disassemble them. |
| 10:28.00 | KriLL3 | might be easier to make an addon that sells all green items except ones you add to a list of itnored items |
| 10:28.03 | KriLL3 | *ignored |
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| 10:28.09 | orionshock | yes |
| 10:28.34 | KriLL3 | I got a fishing pole and 2 teleporter trinkets that are green, that's it |
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| 10:33.37 | Eimhin | hello wowace irc |
| 10:33.49 | KriLL3 | y helo thar |
| 10:38.30 | wallen | is there a working version of bartender4 for the wotlk beta if anyone knows? |
| 10:38.39 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 10:38.58 | wallen | I can't get the one on files.wowace.com to work though |
| 10:39.13 | sztanpet | @project yurr-combat-log |
| 10:39.13 | Repo | sztanpet: http://www.wowace.com/projects/yurr-combat-log/. YurrCombatLog. Game: WoW. Leader: copystring. Updated: 20 hours ago |
| 10:39.13 | Arrowmaster | because 1. thats not for wotlk |
| 10:39.17 | KriLL3 | does it page? |
| 10:39.22 | Arrowmaster | 2. files.wowace.com isnt updated anymore |
| 10:39.55 | KriLL3 | pfft details |
| 10:40.06 | wallen | makes sense |
| 10:40.26 | Eimhin | try http://github.com/Nevcairiel/bartender4/tree/wrath |
| 10:40.33 | wallen | I can't find a more recent version anywhere though |
| 10:40.47 | Arrowmaster | @project bartender4 |
| 10:40.47 | Repo | Arrowmaster: http://www.wowace.com/projects/bartender4/. Bartender4. Game: WoW. Leader: Nevcairiel. Updated: 47 hours ago |
| 10:41.03 | Arrowmaster | i dont think theres zips for the branches though |
| 10:41.17 | Arrowmaster | oh wait |
| 10:41.19 | Arrowmaster | there are |
| 10:41.29 | wallen | yeah, I just tried that one too and it didn't seem to work |
| 10:41.52 | Arrowmaster | you tried http://www.wowace.com/projects/bartender4/files/176-4-1-0-wot-lk-beta2/ ? |
| 10:42.04 | wallen | no, http://github.com/Nevcairiel/bartender4/tree/wrath |
| 10:42.11 | wallen | I'll check that one |
| 10:42.19 | Eimhin | thats the one thats listed |
| 10:43.23 | wallen | 176-4-1-0-wot-lk-beta2 works |
| 10:43.28 | Facktotum | nev posted the latest updated zipfile in the thread |
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| 10:51.31 | Repo | - update paths in .pkgmeta |
| 10:51.31 | Repo | - add X-Email to toc, update toc with no-lib-strip for no-lib package |
| 10:51.33 | Repo | - removed some old code in Config.lua |
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| 10:53.29 | Repo | 10yurr-combat-log: 03copystring * r117 / (4 files in 3 directories): YurrCombatLog: |
| 10:53.30 | Repo | - update toc with no-lib-strip for no-lib package |
| 10:53.31 | Repo | - add missing LibDataBroker-1.0/LibDataBroker-1.1.lua |
| 10:55.23 | Facktotum | who is the author or yurrcombatlog? |
| 10:55.30 | copystring_ | i am |
| 10:56.33 | KriLL3 | what does it do? |
| 10:56.38 | Facktotum | any reason why everytime wow is loaded i have to go to the options and select the chatframe reload ui |
| 10:56.40 | Facktotum | then it works |
| 10:56.51 | Facktotum | otherwise there is no log whatsoever |
| 10:56.59 | copystring_ | um |
| 10:57.11 | Facktotum | i am using chatter |
| 10:57.31 | copystring_ | weird... |
| 10:57.33 | Facktotum | KriLL3: its a combat log |
| 10:57.38 | Facktotum | i know copystring :) |
| 10:57.41 | KriLL3 | Facktotum: I had a similar problem, killing the chat settings .txt thing fixed it |
| 10:57.50 | copystring_ | its SimpleCombatLog remade for 2.4 |
| 10:58.18 | KriLL3 | copystring_: kinda like "NotSimpleCombatLog" ? |
| 10:58.26 | copystring_ | yes, but with config :P |
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| 10:58.40 | copystring_ | and a bit more advanced |
| 10:59.19 | Facktotum | its a great combatlog |
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| 10:59.35 | Facktotum | thing is i can always replicate this behaviour |
| 10:59.36 | copystring_ | :) glad to hear |
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| 10:59.42 | copystring_ | hm |
| 10:59.50 | Facktotum | i will try deleting the chat settings .txt |
| 10:59.58 | copystring_ | well, i will look into it. wich chatframe you are using? |
| 11:00.26 | Facktotum | chatter |
| 11:00.49 | copystring_ | um no, wich ChatFrame? ChatFrame2/3/4? |
| 11:01.30 | Facktotum | 2 |
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| 11:01.53 | Facktotum | but even i switch to 3 or 4 |
| 11:02.09 | Facktotum | i did try making a clean chatframe |
| 11:02.22 | copystring_ | you using YurrCombatLog for a while? i made an update a while ago wich needed to reset the profile to make it work proper again |
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| 11:02.59 | orionshock | Arrowmaster: are there zips for branches?? |
| 11:03.08 | orionshock | i didn't think there where? |
| 11:03.21 | Facktotum | i see |
| 11:03.26 | Arrowmaster | no i think the ones for bt4 are tags |
| 11:03.45 | Facktotum | i will reset the profile then |
| 11:04.17 | copystring_ | Facktotum: reloadui after reset too :) |
| 11:05.16 | KriLL3 | "Echoes of Doom" interesting name for a patch... |
| 11:05.30 | KriLL3 | I just hope the servers don't echo to the sound of it... |
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| 11:07.17 | Facktotum | i think it will be a smooth patch |
| 11:07.50 | Facktotum | tbc patch was not bad except for the lag fest at the portal |
| 11:08.30 | KriLL3 | I just spammed hurricane on the ramp in front of it... |
| 11:08.41 | KriLL3 | accidentally killed a couple of hordes, oops. |
| 11:09.33 | copystring_ | lol |
| 11:09.55 | Eimhin | hehe |
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| 11:12.51 | copystring_ | Facktotum: does it work now? |
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| 11:16.44 | orionshock | Arrowmaster: so are branches zip'ed or is only trunk? |
| 11:17.01 | Stanzilla | where does the alliance questchain for the wrath gate event start? |
| 11:17.38 | Arrowmaster | orionshock: i dont know, but im guessing its only trunk |
| 11:17.39 | KriLL3 | wrath gate? |
| 11:18.07 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 11:18.11 | Stanzilla | the one with the cinematic |
| 11:18.15 | Stanzilla | (wotlk) |
| 11:18.48 | KriLL3 | say no more, I don't want any spoilers |
| 11:19.13 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
| 11:19.54 | backbone87 | Hi, just a question: From the Ace3 project page -> Using AceConfig-3.0 ... For more details on the various types of settings available and their possible modifier flags, see the AceConfig-3.0 documentation. <- i have searched: forum, wowace, google, repo, wowwiki ... does such a doc exists? |
| 11:20.11 | orionshock | not really |
| 11:20.20 | orionshock | best place to look is the code itself |
| 11:20.31 | Arrowmaster | old.wowace.com/wiki might be something on there |
| 11:20.32 | Nargiddley | http://old.wowace.com/wiki/AceConfig3 |
| 11:20.34 | orionshock | oops wrong thing |
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| 11:20.49 | backbone87 | ok thank you |
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| 11:54.30 | KriLL3 | has blizz given some kind of hint when they'll implement the druid form glyphs? :( |
| 11:55.17 | KriLL3 | would be nice if they used the barbershop or similar for it though, lame to drop 1/2 minor glyph slots for a visual upgrade we should have gotten ages ago |
| 11:55.31 | KriLL3 | I look like a naked level 10/20 |
| 11:55.42 | Facktotum | stanzilla: westguard keep |
| 11:55.47 | Lanerra | As far as I know, those are minor glyphs, which, if memory serves, requires that they be discovered through the Inscription Research |
| 11:56.00 | Facktotum | in dragonblight |
| 11:56.05 | Megalon | KriLL3: it won't come with wotlk release |
| 11:56.08 | sb | meeh - need more LDB support in all those addons ;) |
| 11:56.12 | Megalon | perhaps with addon nr 6 |
| 11:56.15 | KriLL3 | Lanerra: well they're not on the vendors that sell glyphs for testing |
| 11:56.15 | Megalon | >:< |
| 11:56.37 | Stanzilla | Facktotum: winterguard you mean? |
| 11:56.46 | Stanzilla | *garde even |
| 11:57.00 | Lanerra | I see. Ooooo, just got a Glyph of Arcane Brilliance :D |
| 11:57.15 | orionshock | Lanerra: did u see the one for poly?> |
| 11:57.24 | orionshock | the one that dispells all dot effects on the mob |
| 11:57.34 | Lanerra | Reduces the mana cost of Arcane Intellect and Arcane Brilliance by 50% |
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| 11:57.39 | Facktotum | stanzilla: yes too many keeps :) |
| 11:57.40 | Lanerra | And wow, no, I didn't know about that one |
| 11:57.45 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
| 11:57.55 | Lanerra | I discovered the penguin polymorph one a couple days ago, though |
| 11:57.58 | orionshock | Lanerra: it'll be required for any raiding mage... hell any sane mage |
| 11:58.08 | Lanerra | Seriously, haha |
| 11:58.09 | KriLL3 | Westguard keep is in HF |
| 11:58.22 | Facktotum | from 70 to 80 there are a lot of keeps |
| 11:58.35 | KriLL3 | alliance lives in keeps |
| 11:58.44 | KriLL3 | horde live in camps |
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| 11:59.14 | Facktotum | yes horde are cheap |
| 11:59.16 | orionshock | anyone know if there is a MP5 glyph |
| 11:59.33 | Lanerra | Haven't heard anything about it, but it wouldn't surprise me given the mana regen changes |
| 11:59.35 | KriLL3 | quite funny really, if the alliance wants to sack a horde "town" all you need it a couple of torches or balls of burning pitch |
| 12:00.31 | KriLL3 | a wonder orgrimmar hasn't burned down yet with that many bonfires next to wooden/hide structures |
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| 12:03.48 | Lanerra | It'd be kind of nice if when you discovered a new recipe it would make the text saying what it is a link to the new goody |
| 12:04.34 | Lanerra | Still no Glyph Vendors in game, eh? |
| 12:05.07 | Lanerra | Or training dummies in Dalaran *Sigh* |
| 12:06.42 | Zyndrome | there was vendors, but apparently GM-spawned and didn't follow with the realm restart ofc |
| 12:06.45 | KriLL3 | Lanerra: on live? why would there be? |
| 12:06.56 | Lanerra | Beta, Krille :) |
| 12:07.07 | KriLL3 | well there were vendors when last I checked... |
| 12:07.24 | KriLL3 | odd that none of the glyphs seem to have any impact on PvP |
| 12:07.27 | Lanerra | I'm standing outside the Inscription Shop in Dalaran, and there aren't any :( |
| 12:07.35 | KriLL3 | Lanerra: perhaps you scared em away |
| 12:07.40 | KriLL3 | stop frowning |
| 12:07.44 | Lanerra | It's a possibility :P |
| 12:08.12 | Lanerra | And remember, they aren't done fleshing out all the glyphs for Inscription, so the PVP ones might be the highest skill glyphs |
| 12:10.05 | Zyndrome | http://www.shatteredminds.net/skit/ohshitvendors.jpg |
| 12:10.06 | Zyndrome | last night |
| 12:10.26 | Zyndrome | (names of runes didnt show due to massive lag) |
| 12:10.37 | Zyndrome | eeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrr |
| 12:10.38 | Zyndrome | glyphs* |
| 12:10.40 | Zyndrome | ._. |
| 12:11.02 | Lanerra | Nooooooooooooooooo! |
| 12:11.05 | KriLL3 | took like 10 seconds for them to show for me |
| 12:11.25 | KriLL3 | "Retrieving item information" |
| 12:11.29 | KriLL3 | popular rune that one |
| 12:11.49 | Lanerra | Seriously |
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| 12:11.56 | KriLL3 | odd that combuctor's glyph tab doesn't work =P |
| 12:12.14 | KriLL3 | and odd that the author of the port killed the quest item tab |
| 12:12.27 | Zyndrome | which you fukken need |
| 12:12.46 | Lanerra | Especially with a new expansion, heh |
| 12:12.47 | Zyndrome | since almost every quest gives you an item to use for the quest ._. |
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| 12:13.21 | ReAn | i will likely not use it anymore if he doesn't add that tab back tbh |
| 12:13.32 | Zyndrome | "Go kill 10 Hurpadurps. Oh, and use this Mark of Bidoof stamp on each of their bodies." |
| 12:14.11 | Fasti | so messy |
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| 12:15.35 | Lanerra | "Using this magical dagger. Then, use this enchanted torch to make a fire, and then with this Gnome-Tech filet knife, cut them up into edible meat before placing them in this Runic Cauldron of Tasty Delights. Then use this Trash Bag of the Kirin Tor to throw it away. After that, come over to me so I can give you your three gold and 1/16 of a level." |
| 12:15.53 | SumpinFishy | Any one know anything about a Mac Curse client? |
| 12:16.10 | Lanerra | Coming Soon to a Download Page Near You. |
| 12:16.28 | Lanerra | I believe Kael said Monday would be the "Stable" release of the Mac Client |
| 12:16.32 | SumpinFishy | supposedly, there is a beta floating around the IRC channel /winks :) |
| 12:16.57 | Facktotum | sumpinfishy: http://static.curseforge.net/client/CurseClientSetup-2.0.0.13.dmg |
| 12:17.11 | Lanerra | http://static.curseforge.net/client/CurseClientSetup-2.0.0.13.dmg |
| 12:17.19 | Lanerra | Haha, damn it >.< |
| 12:17.20 | Facktotum | http://www.wowace.com/announcements/the-road-ahead-or-how-i-finally-got-the-forums-off/ |
| 12:17.24 | Facktotum | that is FAQ |
| 12:17.30 | Facktotum | i suggest you give it a read :) |
| 12:18.59 | Iboong | what about linux client? |
| 12:19.10 | Cheads | that wowaceSVN author on curse is rather active lately =) |
| 12:19.13 | SumpinFishy | Ahhh, IC, I have jumped around wowace for a few days nows, mulling my next step, but I hadn't come across that page. But I see it was just created today :) |
| 12:20.40 | Tornhoof | what's the proper format for the aceoptions values entry, for values={} |
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| 12:23.21 | KriLL3 | blizz is talking about allowing 2 specs, hope they include glyphs for that |
| 12:23.36 | orionshock | KriLL3: um... no |
| 12:23.46 | orionshock | i won't ever belive that blizz will allow 2 specs |
| 12:23.52 | orionshock | it's just not blizz |
| 12:24.05 | KriLL3 | would also be nice if you could say turn in or get an additional item if you already have a pvp item for a certain spec and want to go another spec but don't feel like grinding a whole new set of gear... |
| 12:24.16 | KriLL3 | orionshock: then why the blue post? |
| 12:24.17 | Lanerra | No no no. The ability to swap between two specs, presumably with an extended cooldown |
| 12:24.23 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 12:24.25 | orionshock | ya but grinding for gear is part of the game |
| 12:24.35 | orionshock | take that out and all you do is cheepen the game |
| 12:24.37 | KriLL3 | orionshock: most classes only need 1-3 sets, not 4 |
| 12:24.43 | Lanerra | So you don't have to memorize where all you had your talents everytime you wanna change your spec between pve/pvp for example |
| 12:24.52 | Cheads | 1.8 MB/s down with the bliizzard downloader, very nice |
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| 12:24.56 | orionshock | Lanerra: there are mods for that |
| 12:25.01 | orionshock | use one :P |
| 12:25.02 | KriLL3 | talented |
| 12:25.07 | Lanerra | Haha |
| 12:25.08 | orionshock | i do |
| 12:25.24 | Lanerra | I don't really need one because I don't hardly ever respect unless it's to experiment/test something |
| 12:25.27 | orionshock | i can port, wipe spec, summon back and spec in about 3mins total |
| 12:25.29 | SumpinFishy | Has talented been updated? |
| 12:25.33 | KriLL3 | but perhaps they'd let you set 2 and you didn't have to pay to switch between em? |
| 12:25.34 | Lanerra | But, essentially, they wanna add a native "Talented" |
| 12:25.40 | orionshock | KriLL3: no |
| 12:25.47 | SumpinFishy | Talented is BADASS |
| 12:25.48 | KriLL3 | orionshock: why not? :( |
| 12:26.00 | Lanerra | Yeah, I liked Talented, too :) |
| 12:26.11 | Lanerra | Made talent experimentation quite a bit easier |
| 12:26.12 | orionshock | i'd belive something along the line of - we're gona save your spec so that u can switch back to it easily, but still have to visit trainner and pay gold to make it happen |
| 12:26.18 | KriLL3 | you'd have to pay to change the specs ofc, but swapping between em would be free, would have to be at your trainer and with a cooldown or something like that ofc |
| 12:26.37 | Lanerra | That's what they're saying they wanna do, orionshock |
| 12:26.43 | KriLL3 | I wouldn't mind paying gold as long as it doesn't cost too much |
| 12:26.55 | KriLL3 | what's the max atm? 50g? |
| 12:26.57 | orionshock | ok, then this whole "Swaping between em would be free" phrase is throwing me |
| 12:26.58 | SumpinFishy | Talented + dr Damage gave you the amount your spells/hits would do without even changing your spec in template mode |
| 12:27.18 | Lanerra | Yeah...I haven't heard anything about free spec-swapping |
| 12:27.44 | KriLL3 | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10532601983-what-ever-happened-to-spec-switching.html |
| 12:27.48 | KriLL3 | doesn't say free |
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| 12:27.54 | KriLL3 | but it doesn't say paid either... |
| 12:28.07 | Lanerra | I think the paid is kinda implied, there |
| 12:28.28 | KriLL3 | imo it should cost to change the specs but not swapping between em, if that makes sense |
| 12:28.29 | SumpinFishy | Blizz has said they were "Toying" with the idea......I think people are lamenting it seems to have been dropped |
| 12:28.35 | KriLL3 | add a cooldown on switching spec |
| 12:28.39 | Cheads | "Most likely in a patch but it's not too far off. " indicates they are working on it... imho |
| 12:28.43 | KriLL3 | and require you to be at a trainer, etc. |
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| 12:28.59 | Lanerra | Cheads: Agreed |
| 12:29.05 | Cheads | but we'll see |
| 12:29.24 | Cheads | maybe just pve and pvp specs.. or some other restrictions |
| 12:29.37 | KriLL3 | Cheads: you're saying blizzard actually works on elements of the game? I thought they had all of it ready in a bad and gave is a bit at a time to string us along... =P |
| 12:30.05 | KriLL3 | Cheads: automagically switching inside a bg/arena & instance? would be nice |
| 12:30.06 | Cheads | you could assume they are busy with wotlk and 3.0.2 though |
| 12:30.25 | KriLL3 | though which of the specs would it use while soloing? |
| 12:30.45 | Josh_Borke | i'm guessing they are merely going to give you the ability to save and reload specs |
| 12:31.03 | KriLL3 | aka a watered down version of talented + actionbarsaver? |
| 12:31.38 | Josh_Borke | yes |
| 12:31.49 | Josh_Borke | that seems like the easiest thing for them to do and provides the most flexibility |
| 12:32.53 | Cheads | whatever you hope to get.. it will certainly be a lot worse than that =) |
| 12:32.59 | KriLL3 | I'm guessing most people have already rolled separate chars for each spec they want to play... |
| 12:33.01 | Josh_Borke | i doubt that |
| 12:33.25 | ReAn | what i could see them doing is charging a lot of gold to "save" your specs |
| 12:33.31 | ReAn | and a small fee to switch between them |
| 12:33.41 | ReAn | so like 100g to save, and say, 10-20g for each switch |
| 12:33.47 | Cheads | could be |
| 12:33.51 | KriLL3 | Cheads: blizz doesn't do a bad job for the most part with implementing addons into the main UI, the omen replacement is quite nice imo |
| 12:34.11 | Cheads | KriLL3: ok |
| 12:34.13 | KriLL3 | ReAn: that would make sense |
| 12:34.20 | ReAn | that way you cannot cheaply experiment, but it gives you the oppurtunity to switch out to pvp/arena for the week and then switch back |
| 12:34.22 | ReAn | or for warriors |
| 12:34.29 | ReAn | switch to prot if you're short tanks |
| 12:34.34 | ReAn | back to fury if you've got spares |
| 12:34.34 | KriLL3 | though 100g is a bit low atm, and really low in LK |
| 12:34.36 | Cheads | so if you hope for that.. then it will be atleast 200g to save and 40g to switch =) |
| 12:34.39 | ReAn | well |
| 12:34.43 | ReAn | KriLL3, i was guesstimating |
| 12:34.56 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 12:35.04 | ReAn | 40g to switch? might as well just respec |
| 12:35.09 | ReAn | max is 50g |
| 12:35.12 | KriLL3 | I'm the kind of guy that does 22-25 dailies a day =P |
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| 12:35.21 | ReAn | i dont have time for dalies |
| 12:35.26 | KriLL3 | ReAn: wouldn't that increase in LK? |
| 12:35.37 | ReAn | it didn't increase from pre-bc to TBC |
| 12:35.43 | KriLL3 | odd |
| 12:36.00 | ReAn | i can go test for you |
| 12:36.02 | KriLL3 | 50g is almost nothing in TBC, it's pocket change in LK |
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| 12:36.23 | KriLL3 | imo blizz needs a new coin past gold |
| 12:36.31 | ReAn | plat? |
| 12:36.38 | KriLL3 | something like that |
| 12:36.49 | Facktotum | dailies in LK especially the most profitable ones are tedious and boring |
| 12:36.50 | KriLL3 | perhaps one of the metals you can mine in northrend |
| 12:36.58 | ReAn | i vote "Latinum" for the coin past gold |
| 12:37.03 | Trell- | erm, I'm right in thinking that the /in command doesn't actually work without an addon being instaleld? |
| 12:37.06 | Trell- | *installed |
| 12:37.08 | stew_a | seconded ReAn |
| 12:37.26 | Trell- | eg: /use Drums of Whatever /in 30 /p Drums ended! |
| 12:37.27 | KriLL3 | Facktotum: the bombing one in HF is retarded, when you bomb a pirate/canon it vanishes, so if you're more than one doing it at the same time you need multiple trips |
| 12:37.38 | Trell- | if so, what is that addon? |
| 12:37.44 | Facktotum | thats one that is very retarded |
| 12:37.50 | KriLL3 | and the flying machine one is kinda broken, or I just can't fly |
| 12:38.09 | Facktotum | i'm talking about the icecrown dailies |
| 12:38.25 | KriLL3 | I stopped at 72 because I don't want spoilers, and I don't feel like doing it all over gain |
| 12:38.28 | KriLL3 | *again |
| 12:38.39 | Facktotum | you will do it faster nonetheless :) |
| 12:38.53 | KriLL3 | not a huge priority for me |
| 12:39.02 | ReAn | it is for me |
| 12:39.04 | ReAn | cuz ill be behind |
| 12:39.09 | KriLL3 | the leveling stage is super short compared to sitting at 80 anyway |
| 12:39.38 | Facktotum | trell: i use /in command in macros |
| 12:39.44 | Facktotum | never had any problems |
| 12:39.47 | Stanzilla | Trell-: Ace2 |
| 12:40.28 | Facktotum | leveling stage is fun |
| 12:40.45 | ReAn | you know what i honestly am most angry about w/ wotlk tho? |
| 12:40.48 | ReAn | no new storage |
| 12:41.11 | ReAn | i've got no room left because im sentimental towards my tier sets |
| 12:41.25 | Facktotum | i deleted all t4/t5 already |
| 12:41.30 | Facktotum | along with the weapons/gear |
| 12:41.30 | ReAn | my shaman has full T2, T4, T6, and most of my T6 |
| 12:41.30 | KriLL3 | well all your pets and mounts are gone, and larger bags are added (I think) |
| 12:41.37 | ReAn | my 2 mounts |
| 12:41.40 | ReAn | whoopee |
| 12:41.44 | KriLL3 | heh |
| 12:41.50 | ReAn | i dont carry pets... never had a use for them |
| 12:41.56 | KriLL3 | I got like half my bank of 22 slot bags full of mounts and pets |
| 12:42.20 | Eimhin | i know what you mean. no matter how frugal i am, i never have any space |
| 12:42.28 | KriLL3 | I've acquired all I could get my hands on |
| 12:42.36 | Facktotum | one flying mount and za bear |
| 12:42.41 | Facktotum | i dont need anything else |
| 12:42.59 | KriLL3 | I don't have any gear I don't use, except some holiday costumes etc |
| 12:43.09 | Facktotum | its a gold sink for whoever has the gold but i keep my gold for other stuff |
| 12:43.16 | KriLL3 | Facktotum: I don't need a flying mount, I'm a druid, but I got all there are anyway =P |
| 12:43.17 | Eimhin | and they keep adding more and more crap, surely blizz knows that more space should be added each time a patch pushes new items |
| 12:43.40 | Eimhin | i will never delete my [mood ring]. NEVER! |
| 12:43.59 | KriLL3 | Eimhin: with my pets and mounts + tokens removed from my bags I got a ton of empty space |
| 12:44.11 | KriLL3 | but I only got 22 slot bags |
| 12:44.20 | Facktotum | first thing i will buy is the kirin'tor ring |
| 12:44.22 | ReAn | still capped @ 50g max respec cost |
| 12:44.25 | KriLL3 | and I got bank alts for all mats etc |
| 12:44.30 | Facktotum | 7k and a nice HS |
| 12:44.36 | ReAn | just checked it out w/ my warlock premade |
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| 12:45.08 | KriLL3 | that's the largest bags in LK you can craft/buy? |
| 12:45.10 | KriLL3 | *what's |
| 12:45.19 | KriLL3 | 24? |
| 12:45.31 | Eimhin | around that |
| 12:45.59 | Facktotum | 22slot |
| 12:46.18 | KriLL3 | bah there are already 22 slots on TBC |
| 12:46.58 | KriLL3 | btw, have you seen anything sadder? http://gizmodo.com/5058129/gamer-grub-because-food-takes-too-long-to-chew |
| 12:46.59 | ReAn | gigantique? |
| 12:46.59 | Facktotum | there is glacial bag |
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| 12:47.03 | Facktotum | from tailoring |
| 12:47.06 | Facktotum | same 22slot |
| 12:47.14 | KriLL3 | ReAn: yes it's the 22 slot in TBC |
| 12:47.27 | ReAn | jesus h christ |
| 12:47.44 | ReAn | TBC->3.0 pre-loaded patch data is nearly 1gb |
| 12:48.13 | KriLL3 | 1GB? that's not much |
| 12:48.25 | Facktotum | 992mb |
| 12:48.42 | Facktotum | well you will get all the other content on dvd |
| 12:48.44 | ReAn | 1gb for class changes, and small mechanics changes ? |
| 12:48.47 | ReAn | i mean |
| 12:48.54 | ReAn | NR is all in the xpac |
| 12:48.58 | Facktotum | it just contains the class changes |
| 12:48.59 | ReAn | none of that shit has to be around |
| 12:49.01 | Facktotum | not the xpac |
| 12:49.03 | ReAn | i know |
| 12:49.07 | KriLL3 | don't forget some visual upgrades like shadows etc |
| 12:49.13 | ReAn | 1gb is pretty big still imho |
| 12:49.18 | KriLL3 | not really |
| 12:49.19 | Eimhin | and animations and stuff |
| 12:49.25 | KriLL3 | seen a lot bigger patches than that |
| 12:49.40 | KriLL3 | Eimhin: yeah, kittens actually pounce now! |
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| 12:49.50 | KriLL3 | and stormwind harbor also is in there I guess |
| 12:49.55 | KriLL3 | it has a lot of textures |
| 12:49.57 | Eimhin | :) |
| 12:50.06 | Eimhin | yeah. lot o new textures there |
| 12:50.11 | KriLL3 | just wish I didn't look like a naked level 20 |
| 12:50.53 | KriLL3 | if any other class looked like a naked level 20 90% of the time blizz would get an earful... |
| 12:51.03 | Eimhin | hehe |
| 12:52.10 | Xinhuan | hmm i wonder when the author rewards thingy will start |
| 12:52.31 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: ? |
| 12:52.35 | ReAn | author rewards? |
| 12:52.47 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowace.com/announcements/the-road-ahead-or-how-i-finally-got-the-forums-off/ |
| 12:53.05 | KriLL3 | who designed that site? |
| 12:53.22 | Xinhuan | dunno |
| 12:53.58 | Trell- | thanks Facktotum; Stanzilla. |
| 12:54.00 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: errm, some of the money from the premium service will trickle down to authors? how's that gonna work? |
| 12:54.07 | Trell- | I wasn't aware it was a base thing in Ace2. |
| 12:54.09 | Xinhuan | itsin the link |
| 12:54.14 | Xinhuan | http://www.curse.com/content/AuthorRewardsProgramFAQ.aspx |
| 12:54.29 | Xinhuan | at the bottom of the announcement |
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| 12:55.43 | KriLL3 | ah you don't get cash, you get redeemable points |
| 12:55.50 | ReAn | Q: How much will this whole, 'premium' thing cost? |
| 12:55.50 | ReAn | A: For authors? Nothing, we got you on this one. |
| 12:55.52 | ReAn | hrm |
| 12:55.59 | ReAn | does that apply only to wowace authors tho? |
| 12:56.11 | ReAn | cuz i certantly dont have any premium treatment in the CC |
| 12:56.14 | KriLL3 | can I make an addon and have free premium account?... |
| 12:56.37 | Xinhuan | lol, that's exactly what i thought |
| 12:56.59 | KriLL3 | I'll make one that says "pong" after someone/you says ping |
| 12:57.08 | KriLL3 | giev money, nauw. |
| 12:57.31 | Stanzilla | I think you count as author when your addon has reached a certain download count |
| 12:57.47 | Xinhuan | except no download counts are being displayed anywhere yet >.< |
| 12:57.51 | KriLL3 | I can linkbomb my own addon np... |
| 12:58.04 | Xinhuan | i suspect some of my addons have over 100k but i have no proof |
| 12:58.19 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: which addons? |
| 12:58.23 | ReAn | Stanzilla: My mod seems to get less exposure on curse |
| 12:58.40 | KriLL3 | can I update on curse yet without getting a slew of old versions? |
| 12:58.44 | ReAn | WoWI i've got about 7k downloads, on curse i've got less than 1000 |
| 12:58.55 | KriLL3 | ReAn: what addon? |
| 12:59.10 | Xinhuan | gathermate, bankitems, omen, routes to name a few.. |
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| 12:59.29 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: all terrible mods! |
| 12:59.31 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: I use all of those =P |
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| 12:59.45 | KriLL3 | except bankitems, got combuctor for that |
| 13:00.22 | Xinhuan | bankitems is "popular" more because it was really oldschool since 2004 lol |
| 13:00.23 | KriLL3 | nice, my addons folder contains 9564 files... |
| 13:00.42 | ReAn | KriLL3: RuneWatch |
| 13:00.59 | KriLL3 | ReAn: descriptive name :> |
| 13:01.06 | ReAn | yarr |
| 13:01.07 | Xinhuan | well wowui says it has 130k downloads on it, not including the 100k on the prev project, but i suspect the numbers reported there is fake or bad |
| 13:01.25 | Xinhuan | because it would say i have 10k downloads on it "in the last week" |
| 13:01.33 | Xinhuan | sif get 10% downloads out of 100k in 7 days |
| 13:01.38 | KriLL3 | I'm guessing it counts each and every update etc |
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| 13:01.47 | KriLL3 | or it's broken |
| 13:01.51 | Xinhuan | i suspect its broken |
| 13:01.56 | ReAn | yea KriLL3, it's a global "how many times people clicked the button" counter |
| 13:02.02 | Xinhuan | like, its using a 365 day array to hold download counts |
| 13:02.11 | Xinhuan | and it doesn't distinguish by year or something |
| 13:02.20 | Xinhuan | so "last 7 days" could count as every year's last 7 days |
| 13:02.37 | Xinhuan | of the same dates |
| 13:03.11 | ReAn | still, i see more exposure and feedback from wowi :/ which is a shame cuz the site's services kinda fail in comparison to CF |
| 13:03.22 | KriLL3 | why does the progress bar in CC jump backwards all the time?.. |
| 13:03.24 | ReAn | however, they organize things a bit better for the downloader imho |
| 13:03.53 | Facktotum | krill3: first thing that made me un-install |
| 13:03.55 | KriLL3 | ReAn: well aren't there some addons that are only on wowi and some that aren't there etc? |
| 13:04.26 | ReAn | sometimes yea |
| 13:04.30 | ReAn | it depends on the addonauthor |
| 13:04.33 | KriLL3 | Facktotum: where there aren't that many options are there? |
| 13:04.41 | ReAn | if i didn't want to upload to wowi, i just wouldn't |
| 13:04.48 | Facktotum | i know and i have to live with it |
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| 13:04.53 | ReAn | but they've got a rather large community following, id be stupid not ot |
| 13:04.55 | ReAn | to* |
| 13:05.00 | Facktotum | until the CC is at least worth using |
| 13:05.19 | ReAn | yea, im not a big fan of the CC atm |
| 13:05.33 | ReAn | it doesn't save me any time honestly |
| 13:05.45 | ReAn | character upload doesn't work to boot |
| 13:06.04 | ReAn | at the speed i locate addons & download them it woulda been qiucker to load curseforge |
| 13:06.07 | *** join/#wowace Beutju (n=tus@p57A78FDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:06.32 | ReAn | and since im not "premium" all the usefull features are vacant from the danm thing |
| 13:06.39 | KriLL3 | I got too many addons to do it all manually |
| 13:06.40 | Facktotum | i will wait for the next monday update |
| 13:07.00 | Eimhin | ARGHHHH!!! |
| 13:07.03 | ReAn | fuckin POS still doesn't list me as having ANY addons |
| 13:07.09 | ReAn | even after i installed them with CC |
| 13:07.20 | Eimhin | i just saw that "gamer grub" thing! |
| 13:07.27 | Eimhin | thats disgusting |
| 13:07.47 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 13:07.51 | Eimhin | does one of those things actually have pizza written on it? |
| 13:07.55 | Eimhin | urgh |
| 13:08.23 | KriLL3 | where is the MMO Fondue I wounder? =P |
| 13:08.41 | Eimhin | that depresses me that someone actually had a paid job and that was the result of it |
| 13:08.58 | KriLL3 | Eimhin: it contains bread cubes, tomato chips etc, basically all parts of a pizza in chip/cube form... |
| 13:09.13 | Eimhin | *shudder* |
| 13:09.49 | KriLL3 | I prefer food that's hot, and not in geometric shapes... |
| 13:10.31 | Eimhin | hehe |
| 13:10.33 | Eimhin | i concur! |
| 13:11.02 | ReAn | KriLL3: you don't like chereos? |
| 13:11.13 | ReAn | they're cold and in a taurus shape! |
| 13:11.17 | KriLL3 | no idea, what are they? |
| 13:11.39 | ReAn | http://www.cheerios.com/ |
| 13:11.51 | ReAn | it's like... |
| 13:11.58 | ReAn | the cereal of cereals |
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| 13:12.07 | Eimhin | hehe |
| 13:12.11 | Eimhin | i remember them |
| 13:12.14 | KriLL3 | looks more like some kind of snack |
| 13:12.22 | ReAn | it's cereal! |
| 13:12.28 | ReAn | do you not know what cereal is?! |
| 13:12.28 | Xinhuan | nevcairiel, is omen supposed to repackage itself on a threat-2.0 lib update? |
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| 13:12.45 | KriLL3 | I don't eat cereal, I'm lactose intolerant and cereal sans milk = eww. |
| 13:12.52 | ReAn | Xinhuan: i don't think so |
| 13:12.59 | ReAn | however |
| 13:13.05 | KriLL3 | how does CC show an addon got an update available? |
| 13:13.09 | ReAn | the curse client should update the threatlib external |
| 13:13.12 | Kalroth | cereal with beer is good |
| 13:13.52 | dafire | curse client update external ? |
| 13:13.59 | ReAn | i believe they do |
| 13:14.06 | KriLL3 | does anyone know if cart2 will be updated for LK or only cart3? |
| 13:14.06 | ReAn | i read that that was the plan at least |
| 13:14.09 | ReAn | i may not do it atm |
| 13:14.13 | ReAn | but that's the plan |
| 13:14.25 | ReAn | KriLL3: Cart2 hasn't even been FIXED for CURRENT wow |
| 13:14.32 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 13:14.33 | ReAn | i dont think ck even has the time |
| 13:14.34 | ReAn | lol |
| 13:14.34 | KriLL3 | seems to work for me |
| 13:14.43 | ReAn | KriLL3: there's a couple outstanding issues |
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| 13:14.54 | KriLL3 | like? |
| 13:14.58 | ReAn | that seem to be ignored in favour of Cart3 |
| 13:15.07 | ReAn | i forget, but there was a guy bitching about it the other day |
| 13:15.11 | ReAn | linking his tickets and shit |
| 13:15.18 | ReAn | i dont use either tbh |
| 13:15.32 | ReAn | ck has been busy tho |
| 13:15.33 | KriLL3 | what do you use? |
| 13:15.33 | ReAn | you know |
| 13:15.38 | ReAn | working on the new curse.com |
| 13:15.44 | ReAn | and helping smooth the transition |
| 13:15.48 | KriLL3 | yeah, he's working on a lot of large addons, poor guy |
| 13:15.49 | ReAn | of wowace->curse |
| 13:16.04 | Xinhuan | well that's the thing, how do i make omen repackage on a threatlib update? |
| 13:16.04 | ReAn | KriLL3: i dont use map mods typically |
| 13:16.06 | KriLL3 | ReAn: I meant what map addon do you use? |
| 13:16.08 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 13:16.10 | ReAn | just something that points out my coords |
| 13:16.20 | Xinhuan | short of making a tag |
| 13:16.22 | ReAn | Xinhuan: 2 options |
| 13:16.24 | KriLL3 | the blizz default is rubbish imo, covers the whole screen for one |
| 13:16.24 | ReAn | tags |
| 13:16.25 | ReAn | or |
| 13:16.26 | Pneumatus | tag it |
| 13:16.29 | ReAn | allow alpha releases |
| 13:16.31 | ReAn | and make a commit |
| 13:16.41 | Xinhuan | alpha releases are already allowed |
| 13:16.47 | ReAn | then just commit a change |
| 13:16.49 | Xinhuan | its not making a new package |
| 13:16.51 | ReAn | like the changelog |
| 13:16.55 | Pneumatus | you will have to do _something_ to the Omen project to make it repackage |
| 13:16.58 | Xinhuan | well that's incredibly lame |
| 13:17.07 | ReAn | yea Xinhuan |
| 13:17.10 | ReAn | it is |
| 13:17.11 | Xinhuan | the whole point of a lib change IS to update all addons that use it |
| 13:17.19 | Xinhuan | not to have to manually go update every addon that uses it |
| 13:17.30 | ReAn | Xinhuan: I believe CF / Wowace are moving to make the CC the preferred way |
| 13:17.36 | ReAn | and it should make sure the lib is updated |
| 13:17.38 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: well if a lib changes it's calls etc? |
| 13:17.41 | Pneumatus | not really, a static package is designed to work with a certain version lib |
| 13:17.51 | Pneumatus | if the lib changes and the addon doesnt, the addon breaks |
| 13:17.58 | ReAn | not always Pneumatus |
| 13:18.05 | Xinhuan | wrong in most cases though |
| 13:18.05 | Arrowmaster | not at all |
| 13:18.13 | ReAn | the way libs are designed is that any major interface change should warrant a new lib |
| 13:18.20 | ReAn | i.e. Threat-1.0 to Threat-2.0 |
| 13:18.23 | Xinhuan | a lib is supposed to work as long as its minor revision updates |
| 13:18.26 | Xinhuan | major rev doesn't |
| 13:18.56 | dafire | this is not a problem with most libs, but with libs like threat that are more behaving like an addon |
| 13:19.10 | Pneumatus | people that want bleeding edge can just run threatlib stand alone though |
| 13:19.13 | Pneumatus | so its a moot point |
| 13:19.22 | Xinhuan | it is not a moot point |
| 13:19.29 | Xinhuan | millions of people use omen |
| 13:19.31 | ReAn | Threat isn't behaving as an addon, it's a constantly changing lib |
| 13:19.37 | ReAn | because threat isn't a set in stone thing |
| 13:19.50 | ReAn | at least, it never used to be |
| 13:19.55 | Xinhuan | and threatlib is updated often enough, and omen repacking itself due to a threatlib update is good |
| 13:20.00 | ReAn | Omen is just a gui for the Threat Engine really |
| 13:20.00 | Pneumatus | if the changes in threatlib arent enough for you to tag a new version of omen, then im sure the masses can cope without it |
| 13:20.17 | Xinhuan | i'm confident more people in the world use omen with embedded libs |
| 13:20.20 | Xinhuan | than without |
| 13:20.22 | Pneumatus | either that, or dont embed threatlib in omen and make it a hard dependancy |
| 13:20.25 | ReAn | Xinhuan: is threatlib designed to run standalone too? |
| 13:20.31 | dafire | i don't know any other programming language where libs are more often updated alone without the program |
| 13:20.38 | Xinhuan | it is designed to be embeddable |
| 13:21.09 | Xinhuan | and any lib that can be embedded can always be run standalone |
| 13:21.09 | Pneumatus | does anything other than omen use it? |
| 13:21.11 | ReAn | perhaps you should encourage unembedded ThreatLib usage till they fix this? |
| 13:21.12 | quiescens | threatlib can be used standalone if you don't care to actually see the threat but people want to be able to see yours |
| 13:21.12 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 13:21.15 | Xinhuan | a few other addons |
| 13:21.21 | Xinhuan | recount was one |
| 13:21.23 | Arrowmaster | it wont be fixed |
| 13:21.24 | KriLL3 | is there a way to easily run all libs stand alone? would be nice for us quadders |
| 13:21.33 | ReAn | or perhaps an option |
| 13:21.39 | Xinhuan | and a few other addons that used it to display threat, dogtags could tap into it i think |
| 13:21.55 | ReAn | Xinhuan: You should go to CF and add a ticket requesting a repo packager option to make your addon repackage on externals updates |
| 13:22.00 | Xinhuan | yes KriLL3, its usually called "running addons disembedded" in your updater |
| 13:22.06 | Arrowmaster | ReAn: it wont happen |
| 13:22.09 | Pneumatus | isn't threatlib basically dead now you can get it from the api anyway? |
| 13:22.10 | dafire | i don't think that wont happen |
| 13:22.14 | dafire | it's working as intended |
| 13:22.16 | Xinhuan | or a fancier name is "without externals" |
| 13:22.36 | Xinhuan | that doesn't change my view |
| 13:22.44 | dafire | but you could easy write a script that tags your addon when the library changes |
| 13:22.48 | ReAn | Personally im with Xinhuan on this one |
| 13:22.55 | Xinhuan | if ace3 broke itself somehow due to a patch, and it was updated |
| 13:23.11 | Pneumatus | does the same issue occur with any other lib? |
| 13:23.12 | Xinhuan | if all addons that use ace3 doesn't repack itself, it would force all authors to commit a null commit |
| 13:23.26 | Xinhuan | occurs with every lib |
| 13:23.41 | Pneumatus | only in the case of bug fixes |
| 13:23.51 | dafire | on the other side if an library gets extra functions that an addon don't need, it don't need to get repacked |
| 13:23.55 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: i was told the latest alpha file would be updated but i havent seen it happen |
| 13:23.57 | ReAn | however, i believe there was some promise for a way to external the latest tag of a repo, instead of the trunk |
| 13:23.58 | Pneumatus | if a commit is adding extra functionality, why does the addon need to repackage? |
| 13:24.11 | Pneumatus | the only time youd need to repackage is if a lib is fixing a bug |
| 13:24.29 | Xinhuan | in 90% of cases, updated libs are fixing bugs |
| 13:24.42 | ReAn | or updating thier logic to meet changes in the game |
| 13:24.43 | Pneumatus | and 84.5% of statistics are invented |
| 13:24.44 | Arrowmaster | ReAn: there was no such promiss afaik, just some wild hopes from a few crazy people |
| 13:24.48 | ReAn | i.e. changes patches introduce |
| 13:24.55 | ReAn | Arrowmaster: never said promises, just talk |
| 13:25.11 | Arrowmaster | and i still say it wont happen |
| 13:25.18 | Arrowmaster | and if it does it wont be used |
| 13:25.23 | Xinhuan | i think it is incredibly silly if 500 addons that each used ace3 have to make empty commits to force a repack, or retag their addon to force a new release |
| 13:25.30 | ReAn | when i said promise above i didn't mean "a promise" i meant "promising" |
| 13:25.32 | ReAn | but whatever |
| 13:25.44 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: no, the old way was broken |
| 13:26.00 | Xinhuan | well the current way is broken too |
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| 13:26.06 | Pneumatus | i think its incredibly silly if 500 addons all repackage and have to be re-downloaded if someone adds a blank line into Ace3 in a random commit |
| 13:26.14 | Xinhuan | if someone updates ace3, do i have to make 10 empty commits to my 10 addons? |
| 13:26.19 | Xinhuan | to force a repack? |
| 13:26.27 | dafire | you just have to tag |
| 13:26.35 | Pneumatus | and yeh, you just tag a new version |
| 13:26.36 | Xinhuan | a tag is essentially a commit |
| 13:26.44 | Arrowmaster | only in svn |
| 13:26.44 | ReAn | Pneumatus: imho it should be active only in alpha releases, and the CC doesn't use those by default i don't believe |
| 13:26.48 | ReAn | or that's my understanding of it |
| 13:27.01 | Xinhuan | well the alpha isn't repacking |
| 13:27.02 | Arrowmaster | the CC doesnt use alpha files at all |
| 13:27.10 | ReAn | exactly |
| 13:27.19 | ReAn | wasn't there a way to make them use them? |
| 13:27.22 | dafire | cc only updates what get to curse.com |
| 13:27.23 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 13:27.24 | Xinhuan | so Kaelten's here, lets ask him |
| 13:27.26 | ReAn | or was that just beta over stable |
| 13:27.32 | Arrowmaster | only beta |
| 13:27.36 | Pneumatus | the only way it could concievably be done, would be to make the repository hard-dependant on certain libs, where if the libs were updated it would fire new package creation of the latest build |
| 13:27.39 | Arrowmaster | CC will never see alphas |
| 13:27.45 | Fisker- | ~kiss Xinhuan |
| 13:27.46 | purl | ACTION forces Xinhuan to give iKON_ a big kiss on the lips |
| 13:27.53 | ReAn | Pneumatus |
| 13:27.55 | ReAn | the problem is this: |
| 13:27.55 | Pneumatus | and even so, i wouldnt want my beta/release packages being touched |
| 13:28.07 | Kaelten | bye gotta run |
| 13:28.09 | ReAn | alphas are generated when the revision number of the repo changes |
| 13:28.16 | ReAn | betas are generated when a new tag is made |
| 13:28.18 | Kaelten | The CC will eventually see alphas if requested by the users in questions. |
| 13:28.18 | ReAn | so |
| 13:28.22 | Xinhuan | Kaelten, i updated threat-2.0 earlier, but omen did not repack itself (for alphas) due to a lib change |
| 13:28.23 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: ask me what? |
| 13:28.35 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: hrm, the alpha should have repacked |
| 13:28.35 | Xinhuan | do i have to manually tag omen on every threatlib change? |
| 13:28.47 | Kaelten | are you sure the external is correct? |
| 13:28.51 | ReAn | Kaelten: a repacked alpha would have what name? |
| 13:28.57 | ReAn | if the repo of the project never changed? |
| 13:29.03 | Xinhuan | because it seems incredibly dumb to me if i have to manually tag 10 addons if ace3 were to be updated |
| 13:29.12 | Xinhuan | well nevcairiel was the one that set the .pkgmeta file |
| 13:29.16 | Xinhuan | i would assume he did it right |
| 13:29.16 | Kaelten | ReAn: I think its something similar to the old wowace naming scheme |
| 13:29.26 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: I would too, but still worth confirming |
| 13:29.32 | Xinhuan | let me look |
| 13:29.44 | Xinhuan | Libs/Threat-2.0: svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/threat-2-0/mainline/trunk/Threat-2.0 |
| 13:29.46 | dafire | Xinhuan, the new way to use ace3 is to use a tag as external.. so you would even have to change your externals when ace3 changes |
| 13:29.49 | Xinhuan | that's under externals: |
| 13:29.49 | Kaelten | Beta and Releases do not get repackaged. |
| 13:30.01 | Xinhuan | Kaelten: http://www.wowace.com/projects/omen/files/ |
| 13:30.11 | Xinhuan | the alpha didn't get repacked for the updated threatlib |
| 13:30.46 | Xinhuan | in fact |
| 13:30.46 | Xinhuan | omen: Nevcairiel * r5 .pkgmeta: Fix .pkgmeta |
| 13:30.53 | Xinhuan | r4 and r5 didn't get packed either |
| 13:30.58 | ReAn | Xinhuan |
| 13:31.01 | ReAn | has it been 20 mins? |
| 13:31.08 | Xinhuan | r5 was over half a day ago |
| 13:31.09 | ReAn | packager only runs every 20 mins |
| 13:31.09 | Kaelten | hrm... |
| 13:31.09 | Arrowmaster | it runs every minute |
| 13:31.11 | Kaelten | I see it |
| 13:31.14 | Kaelten | I see that |
| 13:31.21 | Kaelten | nothing is pending with the packager.... |
| 13:31.25 | Arrowmaster | infact i manually added omen to the queue a while ago |
| 13:31.27 | Arrowmaster | and it did nothing |
| 13:31.28 | ReAn | Arrowmaster: The packager runs every minute now? |
| 13:31.43 | Arrowmaster | ReAn: yes, this server is A LOT more powerful |
| 13:31.44 | Pneumatus | packager seems to run more frequently than 20 mins now |
| 13:31.47 | ReAn | or just for wowace? |
| 13:31.49 | Xinhuan | thing is, the packager isn't visible to the public or even authors/project leads atm, so we can't tell what is wrong |
| 13:31.51 | dafire | ReAn, that's possible because it don't have to repack 10000 addons on a lib change ;) |
| 13:32.03 | Xinhuan | we can't see if its a wrong external, etc |
| 13:32.22 | ReAn | Xinhuan: that's been a concern on CF for a while |
| 13:32.34 | Kaelten | Starting packager at 2008-10-03T13:19:00.930276 |
| 13:32.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah i tied the old server up for a good hour+ after updating Ace2 the morning before it went offline |
| 13:32.40 | Zhinjio | G'morning, Kaelten |
| 13:32.42 | Kaelten | removing wow/omen/mainline from svn_needs_updating, as not updated |
| 13:33.00 | Kaelten | heya zhin |
| 13:33.11 | Kaelten | ya the new repo manager starts and checks for things to package every min. |
| 13:33.27 | Xinhuan | so yeah, it'll be good if you can figure out why it isn't repacking atm :) |
| 13:33.31 | Kaelten | Arrowmaster: try adding threat to the packager queue and see what happens. |
| 13:33.45 | ReAn | Xinhuan: i suggest you mod up this ticket: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/563-packager-status-page/ |
| 13:33.53 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: :) |
| 13:34.11 | Xinhuan | threat-2.0 itself repacked correctly though |
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| 13:34.31 | Xinhuan | so its probably something to do with the external system in the packager |
| 13:34.52 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: its possible. I don't have the log going back that far |
| 13:35.06 | Kaelten | I wanted to see the log for when a threat update hit |
| 13:35.21 | Arrowmaster | didnt do anything |
| 13:35.32 | Xinhuan | want me to make a dummy commit to threat-2.0? lol |
| 13:35.39 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: please actually |
| 13:35.55 | Xinhuan | ok give me a min |
| 13:37.10 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 13:37.11 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give dodga a big kiss on the neck |
| 13:37.13 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 13:38.32 | Xinhuan | kicks Repo |
| 13:38.33 | dodga | brrr. |
| 13:38.49 | Xinhuan | i just did a r6 commit on threat-2.0 |
| 13:39.11 | Xinhuan | kicks CIA-61 |
| 13:39.12 | CIA-61 | ow |
| 13:39.26 | Pneumatus | Repo is cockblocked :< |
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| 13:40.30 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 13:40.31 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give Gnarfoz a big kiss on the neck |
| 13:40.34 | Fisker- | OM NOM NOM |
| 13:40.57 | [SW]Dodge | :D |
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| 13:43.36 | Xinhuan | r6 and r6-nolib packed correctly for threat-2.0 (although the nolib version still contains CBH and LibStub in it, don't think its supposed to) |
| 13:43.42 | Xinhuan | omen didn't get any repacks |
| 13:45.06 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: it is suppost to |
| 13:45.27 | KriLL3 | is there an addon that shows icons on your screen somewhere when you got an ability ready? |
| 13:45.34 | Xinhuan | ya, i'm saying it didn't, so there's a bug somewhere |
| 13:45.51 | KriLL3 | I know there are addons that quickly flash an icon when the cooldown is done, but I want something that shows the icon at all times when it's ready for use |
| 13:45.58 | ReAn | KriLL3 |
| 13:45.59 | ReAn | yes |
| 13:46.02 | ReAn | Ghost 2 |
| 13:46.03 | KriLL3 | thinking about tiger's fury and berserk |
| 13:46.06 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 13:46.28 | ReAn | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/ghost-pulse.aspx |
| 13:46.51 | Zhinjio | Does Ace3 provide a tooltip mechanism? |
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| 13:47.10 | ReAn | Zhinjio: Nope, im sure there's a lib that does tho |
| 13:47.16 | KriLL3 | ReAn: errm, does it just flash it or does it remain? |
| 13:47.23 | Zhinjio | so I'm still stuck with Dewdrop or similar? |
| 13:47.23 | ReAn | flashes |
| 13:47.29 | Pneumatus | tiphooker is one lib that lets you dick with tooltips |
| 13:47.36 | KriLL3 | I already have that, I need something that stays |
| 13:47.38 | ReAn | Ace3 does not have a dewdrop alternative that i know of |
| 13:47.44 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 13:48.03 | ReAn | hell |
| 13:48.08 | Pneumatus | the likes of RatingBuster use TipHooker to add info to them |
| 13:48.13 | ReAn | even AceConfigDropDown-3.0 is empty |
| 13:48.31 | Zhinjio | oh yeah, sorry, not dewdrop. what was I using. um. |
| 13:49.01 | Zhinjio | tablet |
| 13:49.03 | Zhinjio | thats it |
| 13:49.23 | Zhinjio | I'll check into tiphooker as well. |
| 13:49.44 | ReAn | you can still use Ace2 addons with Ace3 mods, it's just... wastefull :/ |
| 13:50.11 | Zhinjio | well, there isn't much choice, is there |
| 13:50.21 | Zhinjio | if ace3 provides no mechanism... |
| 13:50.36 | ReAn | Ace3 isn't supposed to provide the mechanism |
| 13:50.41 | ReAn | Ace3 is a framework |
| 13:50.59 | Arrowmaster | tiphooker doesnt really do anything useful |
| 13:51.02 | ReAn | someone needs to write a LibStub-only library |
| 13:51.05 | ReAn | that's all |
| 13:51.15 | Zhinjio | Arrowmaster: what would you recommend? |
| 13:51.16 | ReAn | or rather |
| 13:51.26 | ReAn | an addon that isn't dependant on AceLibrary anymore |
| 13:51.34 | Arrowmaster | Zhinjio: for making tooltips? |
| 13:51.37 | Zhinjio | yes |
| 13:51.46 | ReAn | GameTooltip:* |
| 13:51.49 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 13:51.59 | ReAn | the wow api is rather decent |
| 13:52.12 | ReAn | GameTooltip:SetParent(myFrame); |
| 13:52.18 | ReAn | GameTooltip:ClearLines(); |
| 13:52.28 | ReAn | GameTooltip:AddLine("My Tooltip"); |
| 13:52.36 | Zhinjio | yes, I've used the default api |
| 13:52.37 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 13:52.37 | ReAn | GameTooltip:Show(); |
| 13:55.10 | KriLL3 | anyone knows a way to show a "bar" of icons with select abilities, only showing them when they're ready for use? |
| 13:55.33 | KriLL3 | kinda a reverse class cooldown thing |
| 13:55.50 | ReAn | stop asking, after 3-4 times if we dont answer it's cuz we dont know :( |
| 13:55.55 | KriLL3 | :( |
| 13:55.57 | ReAn | Why don't you make one? |
| 13:56.06 | ReAn | And then get your free premium access? |
| 13:56.08 | KriLL3 | because I'm untalented and lazy? |
| 13:56.25 | KriLL3 | well I'm a decent designer, not much of a coder |
| 13:56.49 | mitch0 | rean: what's with the free premium access? :) |
| 13:56.58 | KriLL3 | it also seems like something someone should have thought of making by now |
| 13:57.09 | ReAn | Id be tempted to make one, but I've got 1 addon to continually update & maintain, 1 library to port, 1 addon that needs to become 3.0 compatible, and 1 addon i just started |
| 13:57.23 | KriLL3 | mitch0: I guess the notion is that they don't charge people that add value to the site |
| 13:57.42 | ReAn | mitch0: as of next week or so, project leaders on wowace & curseforge will get free premium access to the CC & Curse Sites, provided they aren't abusing the system |
| 13:57.46 | ReAn | at least, that's my understanding |
| 13:57.55 | Xinhuan | clickable buttons can't be made to show/hide when in combat |
| 13:57.58 | mitch0 | ah. sounds nice |
| 13:58.00 | Xinhuan | so that idea is impossible |
| 13:58.04 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: I didn't say clickable |
| 13:58.12 | KriLL3 | just an icon would be nice |
| 13:58.22 | mitch0 | krill3: cooldownhud used to do that |
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| 13:58.31 | KriLL3 | used to? |
| 13:58.34 | mitch0 | (if I remember the nem correctly) |
| 13:58.35 | Xinhuan | well if it isn't clickable, how would it be useful? just look at your action bar |
| 13:58.47 | mitch0 | it stopped working for me once then I didn't bother re-checking |
| 13:58.55 | mitch0 | and I didn't play for 4 months |
| 13:59.01 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: well it's not as easy to see on your action bar |
| 13:59.10 | Xinhuan | then move your action bar ! |
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| 13:59.13 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 13:59.23 | Xinhuan | move the bar with important cooldowns on it to where you want it |
| 13:59.30 | KriLL3 | and I keep my main actionbar hidden usually anyway since I got all of the buttons on binds I remember |
| 13:59.49 | ReAn | KriLL3, wouldn't Ghost: Pulse be fine then? |
| 14:00.04 | Xinhuan | many players i know play with a bare minimum of buttons - they just have spells with cooldowns on it shown |
| 14:00.06 | KriLL3 | ReAn: no, since it just flashes when it's ready, doesn't show which are ready |
| 14:00.09 | Xinhuan | so that they can see the cd on it |
| 14:00.13 | KriLL3 | and cooldowntimers2 already does the same thing |
| 14:00.53 | ReAn | Honestly KriLL3, you'll realize when you're looking for something that fits a niche, you'll prolly have to make it yourself |
| 14:01.07 | KriLL3 | :\ |
| 14:01.14 | ReAn | a lot of addon developers wont bother releasing a mod unless they think other people would use it |
| 14:01.16 | ReAn | i know i dont |
| 14:02.02 | mitch0 | krill: your addon would be pretty trivial apart from the config part, which is a pain... |
| 14:02.05 | ReAn | Xinhuan, they ever get the external packaging fixed? |
| 14:02.12 | mitch0 | (at least compared to the "useful" part) |
| 14:02.14 | Xinhuan | no idea |
| 14:02.23 | Xinhuan | Kaelten hasn't said anything since 25 min ago |
| 14:02.40 | mitch0 | btw, anyone got a samsung t206bw monitor? :) |
| 14:02.52 | ReAn | not to rat on him, but he's been rather active in #curseforge, however i think he's busy with something important atm |
| 14:03.01 | KriLL3 | mitch0: I got a 206bw 226bw and 2032bw |
| 14:03.17 | Curses | i have a 226bw also |
| 14:03.31 | Xinhuan | i have friends with 226bw's |
| 14:03.34 | mitch0 | krill3: wow, superb. which one do you recommend? (I only need 1 :) |
| 14:03.53 | Xinhuan | 226bw is good |
| 14:03.54 | KriLL3 | mitch0: which ever is their latest 22'' =P |
| 14:03.57 | Curses | I love mine, no problems |
| 14:03.59 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: it's old |
| 14:04.10 | Xinhuan | get the latest model then |
| 14:04.23 | Xinhuan | make sure its 22" not 21.7" ;p |
| 14:04.26 | KriLL3 | the 2032bw is a generation newer than the 206bw & 226bw |
| 14:04.29 | mitch0 | isn't the 206bw nicer than 226bw? (less pixelated?) |
| 14:04.36 | Kaelten | sorry guys I got alerted to some broken repos |
| 14:04.41 | Kaelten | give me a min |
| 14:04.44 | KriLL3 | mitch0: both are 1680x1050 and one is 22'' the other 20'' |
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| 14:05.03 | KriLL3 | but honestly you can't see pixels on the 22'' from 1m~ |
| 14:05.04 | Cheads | the 226bw is made from different panels =( |
| 14:05.15 | KriLL3 | Cheads: yeah a ton of them :( |
| 14:05.24 | mitch0 | huh? |
| 14:05.27 | KriLL3 | there is a 226cw or something like that that only has the good panels |
| 14:05.43 | KriLL3 | mitch0: the 226bw had 5~ or so different panels, the actual display part, some of em were crap |
| 14:05.51 | mitch0 | hohum |
| 14:06.02 | KriLL3 | samsung couldn't make enough panels to satisfy the demand, so they bought some panels from some other companies |
| 14:06.03 | mitch0 | so it's not a good idea to get one of those, unless I trust my luck, right? :) |
| 14:06.08 | KriLL3 | some where just setup poorly, others were bad |
| 14:06.23 | KriLL3 | or if you check which panel it is, the sticker on the back told which one usually |
| 14:06.25 | mitch0 | I'm still leaning towards the 206bw... |
| 14:06.33 | KriLL3 | why? it's an old model |
| 14:06.50 | KriLL3 | the 2032bw is the generation newer, and there's like 1-2 generations more of their 20'' screens |
| 14:06.51 | Xinhuan | old doesn't mean its bad |
| 14:06.52 | mitch0 | is the 2032bw better? or you definitely recommend a 22"? |
| 14:07.00 | KriLL3 | mitch0: the 2032bw is better |
| 14:07.14 | mitch0 | they are in the same price-range... |
| 14:07.17 | Xinhuan | what model did WCG use? |
| 14:07.18 | KriLL3 | I got a 206bw and 2032bw and the 2032bw is a lot brighter and got better colors |
| 14:07.39 | mitch0 | but you'd still recommend the 226bw over those? |
| 14:07.43 | KriLL3 | the only downside to the 2032bw is that it lacks the VESA mounts |
| 14:07.48 | Xinhuan | sometimes the model that WCG uses has a market impact |
| 14:08.13 | KriLL3 | mitch0: it's larger, it's in a different price class, I'd recommend the 22'' version of the 2032bw or what ever is their latest model, the latest one is the red one I think |
| 14:08.29 | Xinhuan | and an older out-of-stock model has some certain appeal to it as well :) |
| 14:08.44 | KriLL3 | samsung got screen generations, generally speaking they got a range of sizes each time that look almost identical |
| 14:09.11 | KriLL3 | my 206bw and 226bw look the same except the 22'' is larger, the 2032bw got a 22'' brother also |
| 14:09.39 | ReAn | i dont like the look of the new samsung monitors |
| 14:09.48 | KriLL3 | I kinda do |
| 14:09.48 | ReAn | i ended up w/ an LG because of it |
| 14:09.58 | mitch0 | 226CW sounds like a win then, right? |
| 14:10.06 | ReAn | i have a 710T |
| 14:10.08 | KriLL3 | mitch0: again, that's an old model |
| 14:10.12 | ReAn | which is awesome |
| 14:10.13 | mitch0 | hrmp |
| 14:10.21 | KriLL3 | the new ones are the T ones |
| 14:10.26 | ReAn | my other one is an LG |
| 14:10.26 | KriLL3 | T220 I see on a site atm |
| 14:10.33 | ReAn | KriLL3: not the 710T |
| 14:10.42 | ReAn | the 710T is like 6-7 years old |
| 14:10.43 | ReAn | lol |
| 14:10.57 | ReAn | 17" monitor, one of the first to support DVI and VGA |
| 14:11.06 | ReAn | cost me $800 |
| 14:11.07 | KriLL3 | there are also "2243bw/nw/lw" models |
| 14:11.23 | KriLL3 | guess that's the 22'' of 2032bw |
| 14:11.39 | mitch0 | wonder what those letters mean... |
| 14:11.44 | mitch0 | (w is wide I guess) |
| 14:11.45 | KriLL3 | hmm, 2253 2233.. |
| 14:12.04 | KriLL3 | mitch0: no idea |
| 14:12.09 | ReAn | anyway |
| 14:12.18 | ReAn | i have a midterm in 5 hours |
| 14:12.23 | ReAn | that i know fuck all about |
| 14:12.29 | ReAn | and i havent slept yet |
| 14:12.39 | ReAn | so im gonna grab 2 power drinks and attempt to study |
| 14:12.45 | KriLL3 | seems bw models got better contrast than nw models |
| 14:12.45 | ReAn | ciao |
| 14:12.50 | mitch0 | rean: gl :) |
| 14:12.51 | KriLL3 | ReAn: hf |
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| 14:13.09 | ReAn | hf? |
| 14:13.15 | KriLL3 | have fun |
| 14:13.18 | ReAn | oh |
| 14:13.21 | KriLL3 | a gamer acronym |
| 14:13.23 | ReAn | i thought it meant "holy fuck" |
| 14:13.29 | digmouse | gg = good game, hf = have fun |
| 14:13.34 | ReAn | a stoner acronym |
| 14:13.37 | ReAn | i know gg |
| 14:13.38 | KriLL3 | https://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.aspx?Product=SAMT220 <-- their latest 22'' it seems |
| 14:13.47 | KriLL3 | T220 |
| 14:13.57 | KriLL3 | costs a bit more than the older models |
| 14:14.15 | KriLL3 | new new generation seems to have better contrast and more curves =P |
| 14:14.17 | digmouse | KriLL3: T220 is wonderful |
| 14:14.19 | KriLL3 | *each |
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| 14:14.28 | KriLL3 | digmouse: buttons on the side :< |
| 14:14.50 | digmouse | but I found it good though |
| 14:14.54 | KriLL3 | I got 3 monitors standing edge to edge with a 22'' in the middle and 20''s flanking it, couldn't hit the buttons |
| 14:15.00 | digmouse | ............... |
| 14:15.13 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 14:15.14 | digmouse | so, what you guys call a man who dies a lot in instances? |
| 14:15.30 | KriLL3 | a warlock? |
| 14:15.33 | Curses | bad |
| 14:15.33 | ShaneSveller | anyone know of a linux console command that would let me see filetree size? I want to find what's hogging all my space over an ssh session with running du a bunch of times |
| 14:15.41 | ShaneSveller | without* |
| 14:16.06 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: empty the recycle bin. |
| 14:16.08 | mitch0 | shane: du -s * |
| 14:17.06 | ShaneSveller | mitch0: ah, i should've known du actually would do what i wanted. thanks. |
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| 14:17.40 | KriLL3 | why isn't curse.com's search sortable? :( |
| 14:17.45 | KriLL3 | just dumps a long list in your lap |
| 14:18.05 | KriLL3 | would be nice to be able to sort it by updated or rating etc |
| 14:19.12 | mitch0 | shane: actually, du --max-depth=2 . | sort -u |head might be better for you |
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| 14:19.50 | mitch0 | sort -n even |
| 14:19.58 | mitch0 | and tail |
| 14:20.03 | mitch0 | almost got it right :) |
| 14:20.16 | Industrial | KriLL3: "rss" |
| 14:20.24 | Industrial | oh, search, nm |
| 14:20.26 | Industrial | :< |
| 14:20.33 | Pkekyo| | I was rickrolled by the radio just before I was done at work today xD |
| 14:22.04 | mitch0 | hm. the t220 looks nice indeed, although they some bad things about its blacklight |
| 14:22.09 | mitch0 | back |
| 14:22.14 | mitch0 | or whatsitsname |
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| 14:23.04 | KriLL3 | mitch0: should be good, their recent models got nice panels I've heard |
| 14:23.21 | KriLL3 | though I haven't read any reviews on that monitor |
| 14:23.44 | KriLL3 | seems the 2233BW is the exact same but all black instead of partially red, and it's cheaper |
| 14:24.07 | mitch0 | htm. the t200 is almost half as expensive as the t220... |
| 14:24.11 | KriLL3 | the 2253BW looks like a square version of the same monitor |
| 14:24.37 | KriLL3 | yeah 20''->22'' is usually 1.5x/2x the price |
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| 14:25.12 | KriLL3 | same with 22->24 |
| 14:25.27 | KriLL3 | that's why I got 2x 20'' and 1x 22'' instead of 2x 22'' |
| 14:25.57 | KriLL3 | and it makes sense having a "main screen" in the middle for games/movies and have other stuff on the sides |
| 14:26.19 | KriLL3 | when I had 2 screens it was annoying now knowing which to focus on |
| 14:26.25 | KriLL3 | *not |
| 14:26.51 | mitch0 | hehe, so the solution was to buy another? interesting :) |
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| 14:28.14 | mitch0 | actually, that makes sense, unfortunately I don't have space for 3 monitors |
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| 14:28.30 | KriLL3 | mitch0: well back when i had 2 screens they were 4:3 19'' CRTs |
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| 14:31.49 | mitch0 | hm |
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| 14:32.00 | Saroz | Kaelten, wtb username rename |
| 14:32.04 | Funkeh` | hello |
| 14:32.28 | mitch0 | I never had a wide-screen monitor, and now a cow-orker says he doesn't like to use it 'cos it's too wide... |
| 14:32.32 | mitch0 | opinions? |
| 14:32.46 | mitch0 | or is the widescreen better for wow? |
| 14:33.05 | [dRaCo] | more space for UI stuff, so yeah |
| 14:33.16 | [dRaCo] | great for IDE apps |
| 14:33.35 | [dRaCo] | pretty useless for browsing, irc, word etc |
| 14:33.58 | mitch0 | well, my browser is already smaller than screenwidth, so that wouldn't change |
| 14:34.11 | mitch0 | I'd just have mor space to the left of it for irc, I guess :) |
| 14:34.23 | mitch0 | but maybe I should try one out for a day or two |
| 14:34.27 | dafire | you can put windows side by side, you know ;) |
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| 14:34.54 | [dRaCo] | feels weird for the first days, but you get used to it |
| 14:35.23 | dafire | it's not useless for irc and browsing if you can do both the same time :) |
| 14:35.26 | Saroz | how do I get ownership of my projects on wowace.com? :( |
| 14:35.32 | mitch0 | hm. then a 1-2 day trial would just give me false result :) |
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| 14:36.03 | [dRaCo] | took me about 3 days to get used to my widescreen laptop |
| 14:36.29 | mitch0 | gah, I'll just go with it, if all else fails, I'll paint the sides with black ;) |
| 14:36.34 | dafire | i say it's more useless for gameing... if you got a 24" or 22" and put ui stuff on the right and the left side you can't look at both during boss figt :) |
| 14:36.55 | [dRaCo] | oh, yeah: they suck for FPS |
| 14:37.15 | mitch0 | why? you have greater field-of-view, no? |
| 14:37.32 | Kaelten | Saroz: sup? |
| 14:37.39 | ShaneSveller | mitch0: more to render, sometimes by quite a bit |
| 14:37.48 | [dRaCo] | when your FPS of choice supports that, yeah |
| 14:37.49 | Saroz | Kaelten, can I get a username rename on wowace.com? and how can I get my projects under my account? |
| 14:38.06 | [dRaCo] | still kills your frames/second |
| 14:38.20 | [dRaCo] | otherwise you'll have black bars on the sides |
| 14:38.30 | [dRaCo] | which is something I can't stand |
| 14:38.45 | dafire | sure you have a greater field of view.. but the human eye can only see a really small area really sharp |
| 14:38.45 | ShaneSveller | they still have games that only support 4:3 resolutions? |
| 14:39.35 | [dRaCo] | dunno if the latest shooters still don't support them |
| 14:40.05 | dafire | i don't know any shooters that don't support them :) |
| 14:40.08 | mitch0 | ok, focus it a bit: would you recommend widescreen for wow? |
| 14:40.32 | [dRaCo] | if you need a new monitor, yes |
| 14:40.36 | Fasti | yes, if 3screens! |
| 14:41.04 | mitch0 | yeah, sorta. my old CRT is dying |
| 14:41.05 | Fasti | ye, widescreen is more natural to watch |
| 14:41.22 | sb | dafire: mh - BrokerGnome is nice :) |
| 14:41.23 | Fasti | you just see more |
| 14:41.26 | ShaneSveller | mitch0: I love mine, again, so long as your hardware can push the extra pixels |
| 14:41.43 | mitch0 | shane: nah, I need to get a better videocard, too :) |
| 14:41.47 | dafire | sb: thanks .9 |
| 14:41.56 | mitch0 | got a 9600 something |
| 14:42.08 | mitch0 | (ATI) |
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| 14:42.56 | fauxpas | i have a samsung 223 bw and it's awesome <3 |
| 14:43.04 | mitch0 | too bad my motherboard is AGP only, so I'd need a new MB as well :) |
| 14:43.20 | mitch0 | so, basically, I need a new computer :) |
| 14:43.33 | fauxpas | so, basically, you need more money |
| 14:43.34 | fauxpas | :P |
| 14:43.47 | mitch0 | I just hope my CRT doesn't die on me before I have the money for that |
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| 14:44.10 | fauxpas | i used to use a 20" crt before the 223 bw |
| 14:44.18 | fauxpas | and holy shit, what a difference |
| 14:44.35 | fauxpas | the only downside is being limited to 1 resolution |
| 14:44.39 | ShaneSveller | it makes a huge difference if you also switch to a DVI connector |
| 14:44.44 | Fasti | any TFT will look godly, if you come from CRT |
| 14:45.27 | fauxpas | moreover, crts are frigging beasts |
| 14:45.29 | vithos | Fasti, lies |
| 14:45.34 | fauxpas | the 20" one i had |
| 14:45.39 | Fasti | CRT that is dying |
| 14:46.44 | vithos | i use a TFT for everything except WoW, i have a (smaller) CRT just for that |
| 14:49.00 | chexsum_ | CRAZY |
| 14:49.29 | chexsum_ | you should have wow on both |
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| 14:50.23 | vithos | but that would hamper my multitasking while raiding. |
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| 14:50.44 | quiescens | you could.. raid two twice at the same time |
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| 14:55.00 | sb | dafire: you should remove that "will clear CG SV" message ;) |
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| 14:58.39 | pb_ee1 | Ho btw people of wowace, is it deprecated to still use Ace2 on WLK or not? |
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| 15:00.38 | Xinhuan | its usable |
| 15:06.21 | KriLL3 | is ace2 simpler or why do people want to keep using it? |
| 15:06.55 | Xinhuan | ace2 is not simpler - in fact its 10x far too complex |
| 15:07.04 | ulic | I don't think people develop new stuff in ace2, but people still use old addons that haven't been updated to use ace3. |
| 15:07.05 | Xinhuan | and has bugs that nobody has ever managed to find/fix |
| 15:07.06 | KriLL3 | sounds like fun |
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| 15:07.38 | Xinhuan | however many "secondary" libraries were written to use ace2 libs and those weren't rewritten |
| 15:07.48 | dafire | sb: i probably will rename the folder soon and make it a one way import :9 |
| 15:07.51 | Xinhuan | so many addons continue to use ace2 and those secondary libs |
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| 15:09.21 | fauxpas | 16:50:13 [vithos] but that would hamper my multitasking while raiding. <- i simply use windowmode :) |
| 15:09.27 | Xinhuan | an example of a second lib would be Dewdrop |
| 15:09.55 | Xinhuan | secondary* lib |
| 15:11.02 | ulic | yea and even as libraries are rewritten it's just a drop in replace code has to be changed to make use of the new libs. |
| 15:11.20 | ulic | *isn't |
| 15:12.43 | dafire | that's why framework indipendant libs are a good thing :) |
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| 15:13.43 | dafire | that's why i use libsimpleoptions instead of aceconfig now :) |
| 15:14.56 | Xinhuan | not really neceaasary |
| 15:15.04 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 15:15.05 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give netcurse a big kiss on the lips |
| 15:15.26 | Xinhuan | quite a number of major addons do use aceconfig now, so its not a bad thing to use aceconfig ;p |
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| 15:15.49 | dafire | it was the same with ace2 .. and there probably will be a ace4 .9 |
| 15:15.51 | Xinhuan | does depend on how complex the addon is |
| 15:16.12 | ShaneSveller | I'm still not getting any e-mail subs, is that still being worked on? |
| 15:16.14 | Xinhuan | Routes would not really work without something as complex as aceconfig ;p |
| 15:16.28 | dafire | with the subpages you can do quite nice config screens |
| 15:17.00 | Xinhuan | you can only go 1 level deep fyi |
| 15:17.04 | Xinhuan | u can't go 2 lvls |
| 15:17.16 | Xinhuan | not without resorting to some hackery |
| 15:17.35 | Xinhuan | so if some of your subpages require subpages themselves, it wont' really work |
| 15:19.19 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: http://ace.pastey.net/97417 comments on that, as in: does it actually work to do what I want it to do? |
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| 15:21.24 | Xinhuan | yes, however, in creating millions of tables in your test, you force the GC to run and interfere in your results |
| 15:21.43 | AckisWork | what would a better threshold be then? |
| 15:21.59 | Xinhuan | 40 bytes per table x 1 mil = 40 megabytes |
| 15:22.51 | AckisWork | 40 megabytes / 4 gigabytes =? :P but would I get accurate results with 10k? |
| 15:23.11 | Xinhuan | don't use tables. |
| 15:23.12 | Xinhuan | use strings |
| 15:23.18 | Xinhuan | "abc" |
| 15:23.18 | KriLL3 | Xinhuan: sorry it's base 2, not 19 |
| 15:23.20 | KriLL3 | *10 |
| 15:23.30 | KriLL3 | thus 1024 ;) |
| 15:23.51 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: but the situation I was mimicking involved tables |
| 15:24.01 | Xinhuan | kinda irrelevant huh |
| 15:24.14 | Xinhuan | you just wanted to know if accessing a local, an upvalue or a global is faster |
| 15:24.28 | AckisWork | no |
| 15:24.32 | AckisWork | I know which is faster |
| 15:24.36 | AckisWork | I wanted to know by how much |
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| 15:24.56 | Xinhuan | just loop it over 10k times |
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| 15:25.06 | jaminkle | hey i can't find the link on wowace.com to download ace2 updater |
| 15:25.19 | Xinhuan | if your actual code in your addon produces more than 10k tables, your code needs a big review ;p |
| 15:25.23 | ShaneSveller | is there a planned feature for Curse client for disembedding? feel free to tell me my answer is on the forums, but a cursory search turned up nil |
| 15:25.51 | ShaneSveller | jaminkle: you want the curse client now instead, WAU is non-functional. |
| 15:25.58 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: it doesn't :P |
| 15:26.00 | jaminkle | oh |
| 15:26.02 | jaminkle | thanks |
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| 15:27.27 | netcurse | Shane, yes dis embedding is coming. |
| 15:27.53 | ShaneSveller | netcurse: fan-damn-tastic. medium-to-low priority, i'm guessing? |
| 15:30.56 | netcurse | i would say 2 weeks to have it. |
| 15:31.12 | netcurse | but don't quote me, Kolie knows ;) |
| 15:31.20 | ShaneSveller | nods |
| 15:31.33 | Xinhuan | pray it comes before patch 3.0 |
| 15:32.13 | netcurse | That's the goal. |
| 15:32.21 | ShaneSveller | I just hope that the curse client doesn't litter my AddOns folder with little files showing what addon and version i have installed, like the WowInt client did |
| 15:32.42 | ShaneSveller | I don't need that junk cluttering up my git repo for my addons folder |
| 15:32.57 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: http://ace.pastey.net/97419 <-- better? (reason I'm asking is I'm getting weird results) |
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| 15:38.21 | Xinhuan | well |
| 15:38.41 | Xinhuan | localpass, scopepass and globalpass should be identical in timings |
| 15:38.55 | Xinhuan | in the first set of tests that is |
| 15:38.58 | ShaneSveller | can we browse by category on wowace yet? i.e. all actionbar addons or all libs? |
| 15:39.11 | Xinhuan | in the second set, scopepass should be vastly faster than globalpass |
| 15:39.12 | Kaelten | ShaneSveller: yes |
| 15:39.27 | Xinhuan | Kaelten, did u find the packaging problem? |
| 15:39.44 | ShaneSveller | Kaelten: other than clicking on the hyperlinked category in a search page? |
| 15:39.51 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: I'm getting the second pass as identical results |
| 15:39.52 | Kaelten | ShaneSveller: I'm thinking about embeddeding a little info at the top of the change log tohelp ensure 100% hits on detection of addons. kinda like we did for the old wowace. |
| 15:39.59 | Kaelten | ShaneSveller: on the front page? |
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| 15:40.18 | Kaelten | where it says "Brows Categories" and lists all of them? |
| 15:40.29 | ShaneSveller | ah |
| 15:40.37 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: no not yet. I didn't write the packager code. |
| 15:40.39 | Xinhuan | try increasing the numbers from 1k to 50k |
| 15:40.47 | Kaelten | so its a little harder for me to dig around in |
| 15:40.49 | ShaneSveller | but if you say, click on the Projects tab at the top, there's no obvious way to get to a given category. my bad. |
| 15:40.53 | Xinhuan | well just do more loops |
| 15:41.25 | ShaneSveller | Kaelten: and the embedding info in changelog sounds great. |
| 15:41.38 | Xinhuan | oh |
| 15:41.39 | Xinhuan | i see why |
| 15:41.46 | Xinhuan | scopedb on line 93 |
| 15:41.49 | Kaelten | ShaneSveller: no you can click on an individual addons category link |
| 15:41.50 | Xinhuan | is declared as a global |
| 15:42.02 | Xinhuan | same on line 13 |
| 15:42.08 | Xinhuan | you silly silly ackis |
| 15:42.15 | ShaneSveller | Kaelten: right, i figured that out after i said something. i guess i just miss the layout of files.wa.com =P |
| 15:42.25 | Kaelten | ShaneSveller: ya, other than that the client uses a sqllite db file to store everything, and its not in your addons directory, so no more info needed to be sprinkled around :) |
| 15:42.31 | ShaneSveller | wonderful |
| 15:42.47 | Kaelten | ShaneSveller: :) |
| 15:43.03 | AckisWork | lol thanks Xinhuan |
| 15:43.06 | ShaneSveller | gimme 3.0 on live and disembedding and i'll be one happy camper |
| 15:43.37 | ShaneSveller | also, props to the author(s) of http://www.wowace.com/projects/ace3/pages/getting-started/, maybe i just never stumbled across the older equivalent but this has great info |
| 15:44.26 | Kaelten | ShaneSveller: that one has been around for a while in various versions, PProvost, aka Quaiche wrote the first version :) |
| 15:44.55 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: changing the values changed the results... whee |
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| 15:50.07 | ReAn | Kaelten, we ever figure out the repackage on external update issue? |
| 15:50.16 | ReAn | Im kind of interested :D |
| 15:50.38 | Kaelten | you people never want me to catch up on stuff |
| 15:50.39 | Kaelten | :P |
| 15:51.06 | ReAn | At least it's a valid issue Kaelten, it's not like im asking you to get moving on our download counters |
| 15:51.11 | ReAn | which frankly dont matter for squat |
| 15:51.22 | AckisWork | Kaelten: get moving on download counters! |
| 15:51.26 | Kaelten | ReAn: ok I'll get right on those download counters |
| 15:51.54 | ReAn | lol |
| 15:52.17 | ReAn | Im just curious if you got the issue identified at least, and if there were plans at least sometime to have it resolved? |
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| 15:52.29 | ReAn | I know you're busy, a simple yes/no will do |
| 15:52.31 | Kaelten | oh we'll get it resolved don't worry :) |
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| 15:52.55 | ReAn | k cool |
| 15:53.01 | Obble | Kael, is this the place where i should report that my account appears to not be working? :< |
| 15:54.31 | Kaelten | um..... yes? |
| 15:54.33 | Kaelten | hides |
| 15:54.55 | Obble | :-) |
| 15:55.21 | Kaelten | whats happening? |
| 15:55.59 | Obble | I get 'Invalid account username or password' every time i attempt to log in. I've checked the details and they're definitely correct. |
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| 15:59.15 | ShaneSveller | The link in the topic says that Curse Premium is free for authors. How do you qualify for that? |
| 15:59.37 | Obble | Author an addon i should think |
| 16:00.08 | Obble | Create* |
| 16:00.10 | Obble | d |
| 16:00.21 | Obble | Sigh, this new keyboard is rubbish :P |
| 16:00.42 | ShaneSveller | Obble: i've gathered that much, I just want to know if takes any more than having an active project with files up on CurseForge/WowAce |
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| 16:07.51 | ShaneSveller | anyone succesfully using RatingBuster on PTR/beta? |
| 16:08.03 | Megalon | ShaneSveller: yes |
| 16:08.21 | ShaneSveller | i'm still getting a recurring bug with TipHookerLib even after messing with several different copies of that lib, ace2, ratingbuster itself... |
| 16:08.49 | ShaneSveller | but only while I have other addons enabled, if i have just ace2 and RB enabled (along with BugGrabber/Sack), it works fine |
| 16:08.58 | Megalon | you have to remove the LoadOnDemand: 1 |
| 16:09.04 | ShaneSveller | something must be hooking my tooltips in a nasty way, i'm guessing |
| 16:09.05 | Megalon | from the libs .toc file |
| 16:09.19 | Kaelten | Obble: I've been trying to pm you |
| 16:09.34 | AckisWork | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=239663#post239663 |
| 16:09.39 | ShaneSveller | Kaelten: when you get a sec could you address my question about Curse Premium from earlier? |
| 16:09.39 | Megalon | ShaneSveller: when you click addons in char selection, is tibhooker lib red or yellow? |
| 16:09.42 | Megalon | the font |
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| 16:10.18 | Kaelten | ShaneSveller: repeat it ? I missed |
| 16:10.27 | copystring | how long does it take until wowace sets me as author to a project that got imported from the old wowace? |
| 16:10.33 | ShaneSveller | Megalon: Yellow, I'm sure. I have Load Outdated checked and they were fresh copies of everything from the day before the server changeover |
| 16:11.00 | Kaelten | copystring: if it hasn't happened yet please give me a link to the project and I'll take care of it real quick |
| 16:11.03 | ShaneSveller | Kaelten: The link in the topic says that Curse Premium is free for authors. How do you qualify for that? (Sorry, I didn't mention you by name at first" |
| 16:11.17 | Kaelten | hehe, np, just hard to follow all the convos I'm in atm |
| 16:11.26 | AckisWork | copystring: or I can do it |
| 16:11.32 | copystring | Kaelten: http://www.wowace.com/projects/barrel/ |
| 16:11.32 | Kaelten | basically you have to be a project leader on a legitimate addon. |
| 16:11.34 | AckisWork | copystring: probably better to bug me over Kaelten |
| 16:11.43 | Kaelten | or a contributor to one of the top addons |
| 16:11.46 | copystring | AckisWork: http://www.wowace.com/projects/barrel/ ;-) |
| 16:11.48 | [Liquidor] | Is it possible to create custom translations with AceLocale-3.0 ? |
| 16:11.56 | ShaneSveller | Kaelten: what qualifies a "legit" addon? userbase? |
| 16:12.02 | [Liquidor] | I mean other languages than the clients? |
| 16:12.13 | AckisWork | copystring: done |
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| 16:12.20 | copystring | thanks :) |
| 16:12.44 | Kaelten | ShaneSveller: we're going to exercise some descretion. But for example an addon that just says "ping, pong" on load would not be a legitimate |
| 16:13.14 | ShaneSveller | Kaelten: alright, how about as an example, an oUF layout I'm writing? |
| 16:13.30 | Kaelten | ya that'd be legit |
| 16:13.33 | ShaneSveller | sweetness. |
| 16:13.38 | Kaelten | as long as you didn't steal it from someone else :P |
| 16:13.43 | Kaelten | gives you the evil eye. |
| 16:13.52 | Elgren | nevcairiel I need you to update |
| 16:14.08 | ShaneSveller | Heh, everyone's layout was initially ripped off from Lily anyhow =P |
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| 16:14.22 | ShaneSveller | or Classic. All credits go to Haste! |
| 16:15.11 | [Liquidor] | Yo brainiacs, Is it possible to use custom translations (like daDK, esES...) with AceLocale-3.0 ? |
| 16:15.22 | Kaelten | lol |
| 16:15.23 | AckisWork | daDK? |
| 16:15.34 | Kaelten | But ya a plugin for a nother mod would be legit work. |
| 16:15.34 | [Liquidor] | That'd be my language though, Danish :) |
| 16:15.55 | AckisWork | esES is official btw |
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| 16:16.14 | AckisWork | and if it's an unsupported language you're going to run into babble issues for example |
| 16:16.16 | [Liquidor] | Oh well, exclude that from the question then read it again. |
| 16:16.59 | [Liquidor] | Well I won't be using babble in this example. |
| 16:17.14 | AckisWork | what does the code tell you? ;) |
| 16:17.32 | [Liquidor] | What code? -.- |
| 16:17.37 | AckisWork | acelocale |
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| 16:17.53 | [Liquidor] | Well I guess it's too much to ask in here then. Fuck that |
| 16:18.23 | AckisWork | lol |
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| 16:18.59 | Groktar | sneaks up behind Kaelten |
| 16:19.19 | Kaelten | moves |
| 16:19.24 | *** join/#wowace Repo_ (n=supybot@69.57.184.216) |
| 16:19.54 | Groktar | pounces Kaelten and starts licking his face |
| 16:20.02 | Kaelten | um.... |
| 16:20.04 | Fogger | How goes the Syndication? |
| 16:20.04 | Kaelten | ewe |
| 16:20.18 | ulic | [Liquidor]: if the game isn't localized for daDK the the addon couldn't figure out that that is what you speak. |
| 16:20.26 | Groktar | stabs Repo in the eye |
| 16:20.49 | ulic | Kaelten: is it possible to rename or delete projects? I created one the other day and have changed my mind. |
| 16:21.58 | AckisWork | ulic: which project? |
| 16:23.03 | ulic | short name is little-wigs-auch, just wanna go with little-wigs-tbc |
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| 16:23.14 | [Liquidor] | ulic, I'd assume you could set a specific language |
| 16:23.17 | AckisWork | @project little-wigs-auch |
| 16:23.18 | Repo | AckisWork: http://www.wowace.com/projects/little-wigs-auch/. LittleWigs Auchindoun. Game: WoW. Status: Waiting for file. Leader: ulic. Updated: 22 hours ago |
| 16:23.20 | ulic | I can obviously make a new project, but I don't want to leave trash. |
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| 16:23.42 | AckisWork | @project little-wigs-tbc |
| 16:23.42 | Repo | AckisWork: http://www.wowace.com/projects/little-wigs-tbc/. LittleWigs Auchindoun. Game: WoW. Status: Waiting for file. Leader: ulic. Updated: 9 seconds ago |
| 16:23.45 | AckisWork | renamed |
| 16:24.10 | ulic | w00t, thanks |
| 16:24.13 | Fogger | woah, can u feel the powa! |
| 16:24.19 | AckisWork | yw |
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| 16:25.04 | *** mode/#wowace [+v AckisWork] by Kaelten |
| 16:26.22 | [SW]Dodge | http://www.wowace.com/projects/little-wigs-tbc/ -> 404 Page Not Found |
| 16:26.25 | [SW]Dodge | wtf :D |
| 16:26.38 | ulic | AckisWork: did that change the repositories too? I didn't have anything in them yet, but http://www.wowace.com/projects/little-wigs-tbc/repositories/mainline/ shows nothing. |
| 16:27.00 | ulic | [SW]Dodge: I can see it just fine. |
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| 16:27.13 | AckisWork | ulic: it didn't, ubt I just changed them |
| 16:27.20 | ulic | cool |
| 16:27.24 | AckisWork | [SW]Dodge: it won't show up since it has no files... aka not syndicated |
| 16:27.40 | AckisWork | it'll only show up for mods/the author |
| 16:27.44 | ulic | oh, only I can see my empty projects? That's nifty. |
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| 16:28.08 | [SW]Dodge | AckisWork: aye okay :D didnt know that it isnt shown due to 0 files :P |
| 16:28.29 | AckisWork | hehe |
| 16:29.50 | ulic | that's a good feature I think. |
| 16:30.06 | ulic | allows developers the time to get the website all nice and pretty and then release it. |
| 16:30.20 | AckisWork | aye |
| 16:30.31 | AckisWork | but it also prevents empty projects from cluttering crap up |
| 16:30.43 | ulic | that's probably even a better reason. |
| 16:32.21 | KriLL3 | anyone got a suggestion for head enchant for a feral pvp drood? |
| 16:32.47 | KriLL3 | is the 18 stam & 20 res one best? |
| 16:33.34 | [SW]Dodge | KriLL3: i think yes |
| 16:33.40 | KriLL3 | kk :) |
| 16:34.04 | Groktar | feral druids are so op now |
| 16:34.08 | Groktar | gonna get nerfed back |
| 16:34.14 | KriLL3 | in live or lk? |
| 16:34.20 | Groktar | lk |
| 16:34.26 | Groktar | they're about right in live. |
| 16:34.27 | KriLL3 | not that op imo |
| 16:34.34 | KriLL3 | they're nerfed in live |
| 16:34.49 | KriLL3 | or are you talking from a pve perspective? |
| 16:35.10 | Groktar | pretty op in pve, too |
| 16:35.23 | leech2k | they don't scale well with gear in live |
| 16:35.42 | KriLL3 | and we lack CC and other tools |
| 16:35.52 | AckisWork | wtb someone who speaks german pst |
| 16:35.53 | KriLL3 | spell interrupts chief among which |
| 16:36.06 | leech2k | charge... |
| 16:36.10 | leech2k | cyclone? |
| 16:36.16 | leech2k | more pvp though |
| 16:36.16 | KriLL3 | AckisWork: look on coldarra, 50% germans or something like that... |
| 16:36.17 | Groktar | feral druids have a lot more than a pally |
| 16:36.18 | Groktar | :) |
| 16:36.29 | AckisWork | KriLL3: just want one here on IRC lol :P |
| 16:36.50 | KriLL3 | leech2k: cyclone is kinda hard to use for a feral, costs a lot of mana to shift out and back again, takes time etc :( |
| 16:36.50 | KriLL3 | Groktar: you're kidding right? |
| 16:36.59 | leech2k | tru |
| 16:37.00 | Groktar | nerf druids plx |
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| 16:37.12 | Fasti | eu premades up \o/ |
| 16:37.20 | KriLL3 | they got that shield throw slow thing, that justice thing, a 6 sec stun, etc etc |
| 16:37.20 | Zyndrome | yeh |
| 16:37.26 | leech2k | feral is bad on live imo, resto is op though :-) |
| 16:37.30 | Zyndrome | already used up all my 4 copies :p |
| 16:37.37 | Zyndrome | "Pending" ... /tap |
| 16:37.55 | Pneumatus | eu premades on ptr? |
| 16:38.03 | Zyndrome | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=19180.0 |
| 16:38.06 | Zyndrome | ^ there |
| 16:38.16 | Fasti | just copied 80druid and 80dk, altough I have 80druid, but want to check the gear :) |
| 16:38.37 | leech2k | whoops |
| 16:38.57 | Zyndrome | pally (my main, cba to level it), death knight (got an 80 already but just-dinged-80 gear), hunter and warrior :p |
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| 16:39.08 | Zyndrome | rolls thumbs |
| 16:39.22 | KriLL3 | bah no new realm |
| 16:39.27 | KriLL3 | just coldarra |
| 16:39.32 | Groktar | gotta admit it was pretty funny running about getting 4k mauls/mangles on beta |
| 16:39.44 | Zyndrome | you'd really think Blizzard care of EU? think again! |
| 16:39.50 | Fogger | "This feature is currently not available" :\ |
| 16:39.51 | KriLL3 | tru |
| 16:39.53 | Pneumatus | pvp chars :< |
| 16:39.54 | Pneumatus | such fail |
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| 16:39.58 | KriLL3 | Fogger: read link |
| 16:40.03 | JY` | better than nothing |
| 16:40.08 | Bibi` | Fogger : RTFM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:40.11 | KriLL3 | I wonder what gear/spec the druids are... |
| 16:40.22 | Fasti | dk and feral(nontank) are my choices <3, complexity of the playstyle makes them good and durable <3 |
| 16:40.34 | Zyndrome | unlimited points, all legendaries |
| 16:40.38 | JY` | incoming down coldarra for the week end |
| 16:40.42 | KriLL3 | I'm feral, might roll a DK, along with everyone else... |
| 16:40.48 | KriLL3 | Jy: indeed |
| 16:40.52 | leech2k | anyone else going to blizzcon? |
| 16:40.58 | JY` | release of patch on friday <_< |
| 16:40.59 | KriLL3 | should have given us a new realm, stupid blizz |
| 16:41.07 | JY` | patch or new feature |
| 16:41.08 | KriLL3 | patch? what patch? |
| 16:41.12 | JY` | that's same |
| 16:41.15 | Fasti | I would be DK, if I wasn't feral :P |
| 16:41.15 | JY` | effect |
| 16:41.26 | JY` | only server side :p |
| 16:41.27 | KriLL3 | Fasti: I'm feral, might still try a DK |
| 16:41.41 | JY` | but releasing new content on friday is bad :) |
| 16:41.47 | Fasti | levelled dk to 62, uber <3 |
| 16:41.53 | JY` | ok actually it is not released, they just activated it |
| 16:42.05 | KriLL3 | Jy: not if stress testing is your goal XD |
| 16:42.23 | JY` | :) |
| 16:42.27 | JY` | indeed |
| 16:42.31 | Fogger | damn, so many... |
| 16:42.35 | JY` | last stress test |
| 16:42.39 | Fogger | 8 priest profiles? |
| 16:42.40 | JY` | before release |
| 16:42.48 | JY` | 1 per race |
| 16:42.52 | JY` | i guess |
| 16:43.03 | Yssaril | i forget but is Krasus Landing the only area in Dalaran that you can fly? |
| 16:43.16 | KriLL3 | I only see a tauren DK |
| 16:43.20 | KriLL3 | Yssaril: no |
| 16:43.26 | KriLL3 | you can fly into the sewer opening bellow |
| 16:43.30 | Pneumatus | mmo-champ retard posters: "it's fairly hard to reach it by click the character copy link" |
| 16:43.30 | KriLL3 | or fly away from there |
| 16:43.36 | Yssaril | KriLL3: ty |
| 16:43.38 | Pneumatus | its not "fairly hard" its impossible... |
| 16:43.56 | KriLL3 | Yssaril: just make sure you can actually fly or use a parachute before stepping out |
| 16:44.01 | yoshimo | How about allowing lua-files in the attachments? |
| 16:44.03 | KriLL3 | it's a long way down |
| 16:44.38 | KriLL3 | is it just me or is there just a female tauren dk and 4 warlocks? |
| 16:45.18 | KriLL3 | oh they're both "death" and "knight" ... |
| 16:45.21 | KriLL3 | stupid |
| 16:45.59 | KriLL3 | bah no alliance male dks |
| 16:46.01 | KriLL3 | just females |
| 16:46.02 | Groktar | KriLL3 is one of the most predictably negative chatters i've encountered |
| 16:46.24 | KriLL3 | Groktar: it is stupid to use 2 different shorthand for the same class =P |
| 16:47.47 | KriLL3 | nothing negative about chiding blizzard |
| 16:49.06 | Fogger | You think Blizzard are ok with us using these, given the fact that they have not provided the link themswelves? |
| 16:49.09 | Fasti | are the premades in pvp gear? |
| 16:49.23 | Fasti | or why they are named pvpclassxxx |
| 16:49.23 | Groktar | yes |
| 16:49.29 | KriLL3 | Fogger: the worst that can happen is that they don't actually copy |
| 16:49.54 | Groktar | and hybrids get a set of gear for each spec |
| 16:49.59 | KriLL3 | yay |
| 16:50.07 | Groktar | so druids get feral/oomkin/resto |
| 16:50.16 | KriLL3 | a PTR some time ago copying a drood just gave you balance set... |
| 16:50.29 | Groktar | there are ptr premades? |
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| 16:50.32 | Fogger | Groktar: yours have copied then? |
| 16:50.45 | KriLL3 | Groktar: yes there was, ages ago |
| 16:50.50 | Groktar | Fogger: names look identical to the ones on the us beta |
| 16:51.02 | Groktar | so it seems likely that they'd have the same gear |
| 16:52.05 | Pneumatus | i assume by the name prefix of pvp they are all pvp geared as well :< |
| 16:52.36 | ulic | so the maximum file attachement size in bytes on the forums seems awefully small. Only like 97KB for zips & jpgs, only 19KB for all other types :) |
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| 16:53.12 | Yssaril | bah repo is silent again i see |
| 16:53.26 | ulic | hugs Repo |
| 16:53.38 | Pneumatus | yeh, been dead all day |
| 16:54.42 | Groktar | @project ag_unitframes |
| 16:54.42 | Repo | Groktar: http://www.wowace.com/projects/ag_unitframes/. ag_unitframes. Game: WoW. Leader: andreasg. Updated: 29 hours ago |
| 16:54.48 | Groktar | he's alive tho |
| 16:54.56 | Groktar | somewhat |
| 16:55.06 | ulic | he just doesn't like version control, makes him work to hard. |
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| 16:55.30 | Pneumatus | yeh, hes responding but not posting commits |
| 16:57.18 | Yssaril | @project mounted |
| 16:57.18 | Repo | Yssaril: http://www.wowace.com/projects/mounted/. Mounted. Game: WoW. Leader: yssaril. Updated: 4 minutes ago |
| 16:58.43 | KriLL3 | Pneumatus: well the link doesn't work yet, they might not be done adding chars |
| 16:59.09 | Kaelten | Yssaril: he should be announceing them |
| 16:59.55 | Yssaril | let me try |
| 17:01.16 | Yssaril | Kaelten: just pushed and unless repo is really slow hes not doing anything |
| 17:01.41 | charon | git push? maybe ckk pulled the emergency brake on the git spam |
| 17:01.52 | Yssaril | yep git |
| 17:02.01 | Kaelten | its possible that git spam is disabled for the time being |
| 17:02.07 | Yssaril | ic |
| 17:02.53 | Yssaril | @project mounted |
| 17:02.54 | Repo | Yssaril: http://www.wowace.com/projects/mounted/. Mounted. Game: WoW. Leader: yssaril. Updated: 100 seconds ago |
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| 17:06.15 | Industrial | so is wowace all "new" yet? |
| 17:06.17 | Industrial | yes, it is :o |
| 17:06.48 | KriLL3 | Yssaril: is it kinda like the mounted module of closetgnome? |
| 17:07.39 | KriLL3 | I wish there was an addon for LK that put on an item of your choosing on your back when you mounted and removes it when you land on solid ground again, either a dedicated parachute cloak or a cloak with the engineering parachute enchant |
| 17:07.46 | KriLL3 | I'm tired of going splat |
| 17:08.06 | KriLL3 | I dunno if addons can sense if you've landed or just been thrown off though |
| 17:08.13 | Yssaril | KriLL3: nope basically it creates a macro that will assign a random mount flying if you can fly ground if you cant the macro will also change to a combat macro when you are in combat or are indoors |
| 17:08.40 | KriLL3 | Yssaril: can it pick between a ton of different mounts? |
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| 17:09.13 | KriLL3 | most addons like that I've seen are limited to the length of the macro text |
| 17:09.24 | Yssaril | KriLL3: it will pick a random one out of the fastest possible all mounts should be in the DB |
| 17:09.32 | KriLL3 | kk :) |
| 17:09.42 | Yssaril | KriLL3: i actually change the macro so length is a non issue |
| 17:09.59 | KriLL3 | sounds cool, I got a ton of mounts, all you can get except a few instance/raid drops and the ones for the opposing faction etc |
| 17:10.00 | Pneumatus | is there the possibility to make a macro just to select any of the slow mounts? |
| 17:10.31 | KriLL3 | funny part is that I'm a druid so I don't even need flying mounts =P I just /pose on em |
| 17:10.47 | Yssaril | Pneumatus: macro would be to short for that |
| 17:10.49 | KriLL3 | yes, I'm a poser. |
| 17:11.20 | Yssaril | KriLL3: you can check it out at http://www.wowace.com/projects/mounted/ :) |
| 17:12.17 | KriLL3 | does it work with swift flight form? |
| 17:12.42 | KriLL3 | would be nice if it always used that when you can fly if you're a druid and have it, and random ground mount |
| 17:13.25 | KriLL3 | Yssaril: does it break in northrend sub 77 btw? |
| 17:13.39 | KriLL3 | northrend is "flyable" but you can't prior to that payment at 77 |
| 17:13.47 | KriLL3 | that killed my macro :( |
| 17:13.59 | KriLL3 | had to remove the flying part, will restore it at 77 |
| 17:14.01 | Yssaril | KriLL3: works fine for northrend sub 77 :) have not worked on druid support yet |
| 17:14.10 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 17:14.29 | Yssaril | KriLL3: does it add the flight form as a spell or as a mount in wotlk? |
| 17:14.31 | KriLL3 | does your addon check if you've done the quest/your level before actually executing a macro? |
| 17:14.37 | KriLL3 | spell |
| 17:14.49 | KriLL3 | Swift Flight Form(Shapeshift); |
| 17:14.55 | KriLL3 | dunno if the shapeshift part is needed |
| 17:15.09 | KriLL3 | the normal one is the same sans swift |
| 17:15.17 | Yssaril | KriLL3: it basically checks if you have a mount at assumes you can use that mount it will only check special cases for northrend |
| 17:15.26 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 17:15.38 | Yssaril | KriLL3: will use spellID anyway so its a non issue :) |
| 17:15.53 | KriLL3 | it was northrend I meant, as said "flyable" triggers as true in northrend, even if you haven't done the quest |
| 17:15.57 | KriLL3 | kk :) |
| 17:16.20 | Yssaril | KriLL3: yea i made sure that worked even works fine in dalaran now :) |
| 17:16.33 | ShaneSveller | *sigh* i fully intended to leave my wow subscription expired and play WAR for the next two weeks, but it's so hard to quit |
| 17:17.13 | Industrial | Tornhoof: Yata only contains a changelog file in the zip. |
| 17:17.24 | ShaneSveller | i'm renewing after 3.0, for sure. |
| 17:17.41 | KriLL3 | http://ace.pastey.net/97428 <-- my current macro sans reins part, doesn't work in LK so I removed the flying portion |
| 17:18.14 | Industrial | and all the old svn externals are broken |
| 17:18.29 | Yssaril | KriLL3: what speed is travel form? |
| 17:18.34 | KriLL3 | and for some reason in TBC pressing that macro while moving outside of combat and not swimming gives me travelform, which is what I want, but in LK it just says "cannot do that while moving" :( |
| 17:18.43 | KriLL3 | 161% with pvp gear |
| 17:19.06 | KriLL3 | catform is 149% |
| 17:19.17 | Yssaril | so same speed as a normal slow mount |
| 17:19.20 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 17:19.24 | KriLL3 | sans crop/carrot |
| 17:19.42 | KriLL3 | and only with pvp gear, otherwise it's 140% |
| 17:20.03 | KriLL3 | 100*0.4*0.15 |
| 17:20.18 | KriLL3 | catform dashing with pvp gear is 197% =P |
| 17:20.31 | KriLL3 | killed quite a few clothers running past on mounts that way |
| 17:21.30 | KriLL3 | 100*0.3*0.7*0.15 |
| 17:21.40 | Yssaril | hmm will definatly look into supporting flight form and travel sounds fine too cat idk |
| 17:21.42 | KriLL3 | ... *1. XD |
| 17:22.02 | KriLL3 | Yssaril: could dash if in catform and in combat perhaps? |
| 17:22.37 | KriLL3 | travelform in combat otherwise, though you can add that yourself with the in combat macro |
| 17:22.40 | Yssaril | KriLL3: it allows you to add your own macro for when you are in combat so that would be up to you |
| 17:22.53 | KriLL3 | yeah |
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| 17:23.04 | KriLL3 | thought about aquatic form? :) |
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| 17:23.57 | Yssaril | KriLL3: probably not gonna happen but its a thought |
| 17:24.02 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 17:24.22 | KriLL3 | my macro already does most of what your addon does sans random mount |
| 17:25.09 | KriLL3 | though I wish blizz made it "noflyable" in northrend prior to getting that 77 quest |
| 17:25.34 | KriLL3 | so I didn't need to remove the flying part of my macro, though I guess I'll not spend much time in outland once LK is out |
| 17:25.44 | Yssaril | @ticket mounted 1 |
| 17:25.44 | Repo | Yssaril: http://www.wowace.com/projects/mounted/tickets/1-druid-support/. 1 - Druid Support. Reported by: yssaril. Type: Enhancement. Updated: 72 seconds ago. Status: Accepted. Priority: Medium. Assignee: yssaril. Votes: 0. Comments: 0 |
| 17:25.53 | Yssaril | :P |
| 17:25.56 | KriLL3 | ;) |
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| 17:27.22 | KriLL3 | got any idea why the same macro sans the flying part doesn't work the same in LK and TBC? in TBC if I'm moving out of combat it tries to mount, fails, but still uses travel, in LK it just fails :( |
| 17:27.48 | Yssaril | idk |
| 17:28.04 | KriLL3 | I got a habit of choosing mount/travel out of combat by moving, it's faster on shorter distances to travelform than mount |
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| 17:28.37 | NeoTron | I am quick to decide what class to play in WotLK. only issue is I change my mind every day! |
| 17:28.45 | KriLL3 | =P |
| 17:29.20 | Aeyan | Not too hard for me |
| 17:29.28 | Aeyan | My priest will continue and I'll probably make a DK tank |
| 17:29.55 | KriLL3 | I'll keep my feral drood and perhaps roll a DK after hitting 80 and trying some endgame stuff |
| 17:30.41 | KriLL3 | want to get back into pve content again, just damn hard after being away for a couple of months, everyone expects you to know all bossfights by heart |
| 17:30.53 | KriLL3 | with fresh content everyone has to learn again =P |
| 17:38.25 | Dashkal | They are running out of ideas "KDE Community Improves Desktop with KDE 4.1.2 Codenamed 'Codename'" |
| 17:38.42 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 17:39.01 | KriLL3 | at least the name is descriptive... |
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| 17:41.18 | Zhinjio | question... |
| 17:41.24 | Zhinjio | if i have a tableof values, fr example... |
| 17:41.40 | KriLL3 | tables are evil! |
| 17:41.44 | Zhinjio | tRGB["NEUTRAL"] = { r = .91, g = .91, b = .91 } |
| 17:41.55 | Zhinjio | if there *any* way I can do something like: |
| 17:42.10 | Zhinjio | GameTooltip:AddLine( "some text", tRGB["NEUTRAL"] } |
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| 17:42.21 | Zhinjio | except that that doesn't work |
| 17:42.25 | Zhinjio | is there any way to make that work? |
| 17:42.26 | NeoTron | I've been flipping between warlock (current main), DK, ret pally and latest hunter |
| 17:42.38 | Zhinjio | without doing tRGB["NEUTRAL"].r, ... |
| 17:42.42 | NeoTron | now I think I'm back to DK again because all the little extras just capture my attention |
| 17:44.16 | Zhinjio | anyone? |
| 17:44.55 | Groktard | what's up Zhinjio? |
| 17:45.13 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: tired of castsequence classes? |
| 17:45.33 | Zhinjio | ah, you just joined channel. |
| 17:45.40 | Zhinjio | I'll msg you so I don't spam the channel |
| 17:45.47 | Groktard | :) |
| 17:45.50 | Stanzilla | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10697502779-premade-character-copies-are-now-available.html < yay |
| 17:46.26 | Dashkal | I'm so sorry... You get to deal with premades on your one server :S |
| 17:46.54 | Zhinjio | Groktard: http://ace.pastey.net/97430 |
| 17:46.54 | NeoTron | KriLL3: well I played my hunter a bit and it's kind of boring |
| 17:46.54 | chexsum_ | you guys ned to l2p. |
| 17:47.12 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: isn't both warlock and hunter about the same experience? |
| 17:47.14 | Groktard | looks |
| 17:47.21 | NeoTron | in my dealings with DK I forgot how nice it was not to bother with slowly-renewable resources (i.e mana) fo example |
| 17:47.27 | NeoTron | it's similar but different |
| 17:47.31 | chexsum_ | oh noes wannabe looking |
| 17:47.40 | chexsum_ | l2p grok |
| 17:47.45 | NeoTron | I like pet classes (which is why I might end up playing unholy DK) |
| 17:48.03 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: part of the job does itself? =P |
| 17:48.03 | Groktard | hehe chexsum_ |
| 17:48.08 | Groktard | Zhinjio: no clue |
| 17:48.48 | Groktard | looks up this gametooltip object |
| 17:48.56 | NeoTron | it's just an added aspect I like |
| 17:49.07 | NeoTron | I played pet-lock (FG) in BC for as long as it was viable |
| 17:49.23 | chexsum_ | so youre saying you were a felhound ? |
| 17:49.34 | chexsum_ | l2p |
| 17:50.41 | Groktard | did you set an owner for it? |
| 17:50.55 | chexsum_ | gotta sleep - l2p while im gone |
| 17:51.07 | NeoTron | felhound? where did that come from? :P |
| 17:52.10 | Groktard | pokes Zhinjio |
| 17:52.21 | Zhinjio | yes |
| 17:52.28 | Groktard | kk |
| 17:52.34 | Zhinjio | the tooltip displays just fine. thats not the issue. |
| 17:52.39 | Groktard | o |
| 17:52.50 | Zhinjio | I need to somehow "de-table-ify" the tRGB["HIGH"] entry |
| 17:53.08 | Zhinjio | so instead of returning { r = 1, g = 1, b = 1} it returns 1, 1, 1 |
| 17:53.17 | Zhinjio | so that its valid for the AddLine call |
| 17:53.27 | Zhinjio | somehow |
| 17:54.22 | Groktard | i get it now |
| 17:54.33 | NeoTron | unpack(tRGB["HIGH"]) |
| 17:54.45 | NeoTron | lua> unpack( { 1, 2, 3 }) |
| 17:54.46 | lua_bot | NeoTron: 1, 2, 3 |
| 17:54.47 | Zhinjio | hmm. that would rock if that works... trying now |
| 17:55.02 | NeoTron | ah wait |
| 17:55.07 | NeoTron | you had a hash not an array |
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| 17:55.43 | Zhinjio | yeah |
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| 17:55.46 | Zhinjio | but I can change that |
| 17:55.53 | Groktard | mmm |
| 17:55.55 | Facktotum | what time is 10:0am eastern in europe? |
| 17:56.04 | Groktard | stupid university wireless :( |
| 17:56.05 | mitchnull | 10:00 |
| 17:56.25 | Facktotum | 10:00am eastern is US right |
| 17:56.26 | NeoTron | lua> unpack ( { a=1, b =2}) |
| 17:56.27 | lua_bot | NeoTron: No output |
| 17:56.30 | NeoTron | didn't think so |
| 17:57.11 | Camci | anyone know greek here? :P need to know how to translate "Device Manager" in greek :P |
| 17:57.35 | Groktard | hides from Camci |
| 17:57.38 | Fogger | Zhinjio: It may prove more fruitful asking Lua related questions in #Lua, theres some serious code-heads in there. :) |
| 17:57.49 | Camci | pokes Groktard. |
| 17:58.40 | Zhinjio | Fogger: granted, but I figured maybe someone would have beat up against this one in here before, given that it is wow specific |
| 17:59.33 | Fogger | Zhinjio: Yeah, I aint knocking you, just offering the other option. |
| 17:59.41 | Zhinjio | unpack worked! |
| 17:59.43 | Zhinjio | sweetness. |
| 17:59.53 | Zhinjio | thanks NeoTron |
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| 18:10.00 | Industrial | if i have a button, how do I make that button be a specific spell again? |
| 18:10.03 | Industrial | I forgot |
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| 18:10.06 | Industrial | its not button:SetAttribute('type', 'spell) button:SetAttribute('spell', spell) |
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| 18:20.39 | Cheads | hmm I wonder if the Curse client will support LoD of addons like BigWigs etc.? |
| 18:21.09 | Industrial | what does that have to do with any downloader |
| 18:21.12 | Industrial | its a TOC property |
| 18:21.16 | Stanzilla | Funkeh` or vhaarr will have to adjust the pkgmeta for it |
| 18:21.19 | Industrial | its addon specific |
| 18:21.23 | Cheads | Industrial I ment the unpacking of it |
| 18:21.33 | Industrial | load on demand unpacking? |
| 18:21.52 | Cheads | like bigwigs comes with bigwigslod.bat and bigwigslod.sh |
| 18:22.03 | Cheads | WAU handled that |
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| 18:22.16 | Industrial | nasty :\ |
| 18:22.27 | Cheads | if you wanted that |
| 18:22.33 | Cheads | nasty? |
| 18:22.52 | Tornhoof | industrial: |
| 18:22.52 | Tornhoof | button:SetAttribute("*type*", "spell") |
| 18:22.52 | Tornhoof | button:SetAttribute("spell1", totem.Name) |
| 18:22.53 | Stanzilla | Cheads: still a .pkgmeta thingy |
| 18:22.58 | Industrial | yes, "install scripts". Just make BigWigs LOD cause it should be, no choice cause its better :P? |
| 18:23.01 | Tornhoof | and totem.name is whatever spellname you have |
| 18:23.02 | Industrial | Tornhoof: thanks. |
| 18:23.05 | Industrial | yeah |
| 18:23.18 | Industrial | making my own totem bar thingy :P |
| 18:23.26 | Tornhoof | ;) |
| 18:23.36 | Tornhoof | i finished redoing yata for wotlk |
| 18:23.39 | Cheads | Industrial it was obviously an option |
| 18:23.41 | Tornhoof | have fun with the new headers |
| 18:23.46 | Cheads | "Unpack addon" |
| 18:24.10 | sb | Tornhoof: mhh - rewrite-yata or only fixed? |
| 18:24.38 | Cheads | Stanzilla guess that's not an option to the users of the addons then? |
| 18:24.53 | Cheads | with a .pkgmeta setting |
| 18:25.51 | Stanzilla | nah, but I guess the bigwigs authors will create a proper .pkgmeta when they have time |
| 18:26.26 | Tornhoof | pretty much complete rewrite since yata basically just is totem buttons aka secure buttons |
| 18:26.45 | Tornhoof | so i had to redo the whole popup stuff etc. |
| 18:26.47 | Cheads | Stanzilla ok |
| 18:26.55 | Tornhoof | would be way too complicated to get that into the old code |
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| 18:27.09 | Tornhoof | so it's now ace3, libkeybound, libbars, buttonfacade ;) |
| 18:27.20 | Industrial | hm, I'm not doing any popups |
| 18:27.20 | Tornhoof | and only works on 3.0 obviously |
| 18:27.48 | Industrial | http://pastey.net/97438 |
| 18:27.49 | digmouse | talented no wotLK version yet? |
| 18:28.07 | Industrial | Tornhoof: line 47 and 16, cant really get it to work :P |
| 18:28.18 | KriLL3 | digmouse: is there any point of making a LK version prior to the trees being done? |
| 18:28.37 | Industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/a94221a6b0fb16c67766270b1511b446.jpg |
| 18:28.41 | Tornhoof | you probably forgot button:RegisterForClicks("LeftButtonUp","RightButtonUp") |
| 18:28.41 | Industrial | it spawns the buttons nocely tho |
| 18:28.59 | Industrial | its a CheckButton so it should have that |
| 18:29.04 | Industrial | but I should prolly unset the ID or something |
| 18:29.13 | Industrial | nicely* |
| 18:29.40 | digmouse | KriLL3: just wanna make specing easier |
| 18:29.48 | copystring | lol, http://i36.tinypic.com/2rz8d9c.jpg |
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| 18:29.59 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 18:30.01 | digmouse | and.. who know what the little update contains? |
| 18:30.39 | Tornhoof | dunno industrial, looks ok tbh |
| 18:30.41 | Fisker- | why so lol copystring ? |
| 18:30.49 | Fisker- | oh |
| 18:30.51 | Fisker- | the goldspam |
| 18:31.07 | Fisker- | pictar is too dark for me to notice >:E |
| 18:31.15 | NeoTron | we had the same stuff in our IF last night |
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| 18:31.24 | NeoTron | do they use some hax to make that happen? |
| 18:31.40 | Fisker- | No they obviously just do it manually |
| 18:31.44 | Fisker- | Jump 500 meters into the air |
| 18:31.53 | Fisker- | and then die on the way down |
| 18:32.03 | Fisker- | No way that could be hax |
| 18:32.25 | Groktard | what does that say? |
| 18:32.37 | AckisWork | lol "Just an hour ago, I go an update from AckisRecipeList via WAU The only add-on that updated since it was locked." |
| 18:32.44 | NeoTron | just wonder how they do it |
| 18:33.12 | KriLL3 | magic |
| 18:33.23 | NeoTron | I noticed on my server too that each letter used identical characters |
| 18:33.42 | Primer | http://www.theredemptionguild.net/modules.php?name=gallery2&g2_itemId=296&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 |
| 18:33.51 | Primer | spammers in IF ^^^ |
| 18:34.36 | Arrowmaster | AckisWork: did you put an update to libaboutpanel? |
| 18:34.43 | copystring | just curious how BadBoy is gonna filter that :PP |
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| 18:34.56 | AckisWork | think so, Kaelten fixed it I think, was just reading some forums |
| 18:34.59 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 18:35.01 | Arrowmaster | thats why |
| 18:35.08 | Arrowmaster | the old server is still running the patcher too |
| 18:35.13 | AckisWork | haha |
| 18:35.13 | Arrowmaster | just the svn is readonly |
| 18:35.14 | AckisWork | win |
| 18:35.35 | Arrowmaster | but if any externals from another server get updated it will repack the addon |
| 18:35.45 | AckisWork | hey if my addon folder is called "ARL" does something AckisRecipeList.toc get loaded? |
| 18:35.54 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 18:36.00 | AckisWork | is always breaking things |
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| 18:36.26 | KriLL3 | folder and .toc needs the same name? |
| 18:36.27 | Groktard | politely breaks AckisWork's addon |
| 18:36.29 | Fisker- | ~kiss AckisWork |
| 18:36.30 | purl | ACTION forces AckisWork to give topsub a big kiss on the lips |
| 18:36.36 | AckisWork | heh |
| 18:36.48 | Groktard | i think it's just convention KriLL3 |
| 18:36.51 | Tornhoof | sb, there are quite some changes in the new yata version |
| 18:36.52 | Groktard | change one and find out |
| 18:36.53 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 18:36.53 | Groktard | >.> |
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| 18:38.52 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3, Groktard: it's not convention |
| 18:38.55 | Gnarfoz | they have to be the same |
| 18:38.57 | Fisker- | ~kiss Gnarfoz |
| 18:38.58 | purl | ACTION forces Gnarfoz to give Kody a big kiss on the forhead |
| 18:39.07 | Gnarfoz | what's a forhead, dear? |
| 18:39.16 | Gnarfoz | ~factinfo kiss |
| 18:39.16 | purl | kiss -- last modified at Mon Jul 21 17:24:45 2008 by g0urra!n=g0urra@73-236.powerdsl.t3.se; it has been requested 10 times, last by Adys at Thu Sep 25 13:01:42 2008. |
| 18:39.23 | KriLL3 | forehead sans an e |
| 18:39.28 | Gnarfoz | pff, frenchies can't spell, obviously |
| 18:39.28 | Adys | ~kiss purl |
| 18:39.29 | purl | ACTION forces purl to give Gngsk a big kiss on the lips |
| 18:39.46 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 18:39.47 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give durcyn a big kiss on the hand |
| 18:39.52 | Adys | Wait |
| 18:39.59 | Adys | how can ~kiss have been last requested by me? |
| 18:40.00 | KriLL3 | Americans have issues with Aluminium and Colour, poor fellas |
| 18:40.07 | Adys | Fisker- just requested it |
| 18:40.09 | Fisker- | last by Adys at Thu Sep 25 13:01:42 2008. |
| 18:40.12 | Fisker- | no |
| 18:40.19 | Fisker- | that was ~kiss <and something> |
| 18:40.22 | Fisker- | they're seperate |
| 18:40.25 | Adys | ay yea |
| 18:40.26 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: that's just American English, "forhead" is wrong in either variant :> |
| 18:40.31 | Fisker- | ~faction CMD: kiss (*.?) |
| 18:40.31 | Fisker- | or so |
| 18:40.37 | Fisker- | ~factinfo CMD: kiss (*.?) |
| 18:40.37 | purl | there's no such factoid as cmd: kiss (*.?), Fisker- |
| 18:40.41 | Fisker- | ~factinfo CMD: kiss (?.*) |
| 18:40.41 | purl | there's no such factoid as cmd: kiss (?.*), Fisker- |
| 18:40.44 | Fisker- | :< |
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| 18:40.49 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: no they're typos, doesn't matter if some oddball in the US thinks it's correct, it's a typo >:( |
| 18:41.05 | Fisker- | ~factinfo CMD: kiss (.*?) |
| 18:41.05 | purl | cmd: kiss (.*?) -- last modified at Wed Aug 16 17:20:32 2006 by SportyGal!i=DonnaCra@exchange.kingsharbor.org; it has been requested 395 times, last by Fisker-, 1m 18s ago. |
| 18:41.07 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 18:41.33 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: "some oddball" being 300mio people vs. 100mio people? :P |
| 18:41.42 | KriLL3 | indeed |
| 18:41.47 | Gnarfoz | or however many citizens the UK has |
| 18:42.04 | AckisWork | it's not just the UK that speaks proper English |
| 18:42.15 | AckisWork | Canada, Australia, etc |
| 18:42.16 | Fisker- | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/13/10532272544-achievements-bug-sm-cath--wotlk-10man.html <-awesome issue report! |
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| 18:42.30 | KriLL3 | "Burning Man comes to Second Life"... anyone else just had a vision of a nearly naked man looking like a ragged beggar in a silly outfit adorned with his own teeth getting raped by a unicorn?... O_o |
| 18:42.37 | Groktard | it's kind of absurd to expect the us and uk to spell thinks exactly the same way considering how long ago they separated |
| 18:42.44 | Groktard | *things |
| 18:42.56 | Groktard | literacy rate wasn't exactly through the roof back then |
| 18:43.32 | KriLL3 | Fisker-: like the guy that reported some bug with DeadMines =P |
| 18:43.40 | Groktard | as far as i can tell people just spelled shit however they felt like spelling it |
| 18:43.53 | KriLL3 | Groktard: what do you mean "back then" ? ever been to texas? |
| 18:44.20 | Groktard | heh, you can do much worse than texas |
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| 18:45.26 | Groktard | i'd start off with the appalachias |
| 18:45.30 | Groktard | lulz WV |
| 18:45.47 | Groktard | that and places like lousiana |
| 18:46.03 | Groktard | *louisiana |
| 18:46.40 | Groktard | like, texas is a completely different kind of hick |
| 18:46.53 | Groktard | not so much the cousin-marrying kind |
| 18:47.12 | Sirow | hmm uncool, my lib kind of broke my curce page :-/ |
| 18:47.12 | Sirow | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/libavion-2-0.aspx |
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| 18:48.39 | netcurse | Sirow, will look at it, thanks |
| 18:48.52 | Sirow | ok :) |
| 18:50.47 | EthanCentaurai | ~literal kiss |
| 18:50.47 | purl | "kiss" is "<action> forces $1 to give $randnick a big kiss on the (lips|neck|hand|forehead|ear)" |
| 18:54.28 | Groktard | ~kiss EthanCentaurai |
| 18:54.28 | purl | ACTION forces EthanCentaurai to give KriLL3 a big kiss on the ear |
| 18:54.33 | Groktard | ew |
| 18:54.42 | EthanCentaurai | O.o |
| 18:54.50 | Groktard | owned EthanCentaurai |
| 18:54.57 | EthanCentaurai | indeed :( |
| 18:55.08 | Groktard | ~kiss groktar |
| 18:55.09 | purl | ACTION forces groktar to give xemacs a big kiss on the forhead |
| 18:55.24 | Groktard | totally benign |
| 18:55.32 | EthanCentaurai | ~kiss Groktard |
| 18:55.32 | purl | ACTION forces Groktard to give smcn a big kiss on the hand |
| 18:55.54 | Groktard | ~kiss parishilton |
| 18:55.55 | purl | ACTION forces parishilton to give EthanCentaurai a big kiss on the hand |
| 18:56.02 | EthanCentaurai | notice purl still says "forhead"... |
| 18:56.10 | Groktard | herpes for EthanCentaurai |
| 18:56.18 | EthanCentaurai | noes! :'( |
| 18:56.32 | smcn | wtf! |
| 18:56.44 | Groktard | sticks his tongue in smcn's ear |
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| 18:56.54 | smcn | I NEED AN ADULT! I NEED AN ADULT! |
| 18:57.06 | Groktard | nibbles on smcn's soul |
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| 19:04.19 | KriLL3 | how do I set the quality of screenshots? |
| 19:05.11 | Quaiche|away | ss rez/quality is your game rez/quality |
| 19:05.21 | Quaiche|away | Or do you mean the jpeg compression settings? |
| 19:05.50 | Quaiche|away | Don't think you can do that. You could use an external SS utility. I know Tekkub does that with Jing. |
| 19:07.28 | Groktard | huggles you |
| 19:07.44 | Gaurong | KriLL3: /console screenshotQuality (1-10) |
| 19:07.52 | KriLL3 | thx |
| 19:08.12 | Quaiche|away | Ooooooohhhh... nice one Gaurong |
| 19:08.12 | KriLL3 | it doesn't report that anything happened, that's alright? |
| 19:08.29 | Quaiche|away | It probably shows up in your config.wtf file once you restart |
| 19:08.31 | KriLL3 | Quaiche|away: the problem is that the jpg quality was horrible by default |
| 19:08.42 | Quaiche|away | Yep |
| 19:08.45 | Quaiche|away | Jing |
| 19:08.47 | Quaiche|away | :) |
| 19:08.47 | KriLL3 | you can't increase the quality with an external app =P |
| 19:08.51 | Gaurong | take one to test |
| 19:08.57 | AKX | Is Bartender4 compatible with the newest WOTLK beta? |
| 19:09.17 | KriLL3 | AKX: did they totally rewrite the bar API in the latest build? |
| 19:09.28 | Groktard | there's a wotlk branch |
| 19:10.05 | Groktard | http://www.wowace.com/projects/bartender4/files/176-4-1-0-wot-lk-beta2/ |
| 19:12.04 | AKX | Clever. Thank you, Groktard. |
| 19:12.14 | NeoTron | anyone got any idea if championing works in raids? |
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| 19:14.03 | stew_a | whats the best, most efficient way to iterate over every char in a string? |
| 19:15.27 | Gaurong | fairly certain championing is 5man only |
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| 19:16.08 | Groktard | nibbles on Antiarc |
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| 19:21.16 | KriLL3 | are the LK teirs of pve & pvp gear visible somewhere? |
| 19:21.27 | KriLL3 | mmo-champion has failed me |
| 19:22.55 | Bibi` | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=17417.0 |
| 19:22.58 | Bibi` | go fail yourself |
| 19:23.06 | Bibi` | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=17199.0 for the pve sets |
| 19:23.39 | Fisker- | has sex with KriLL3 for his incompetence |
| 19:23.47 | Groktard | takes pictures |
| 19:23.53 | Groktard | threatens to send them to nevcairiel |
| 19:24.02 | KriLL3 | bah, more purple |
| 19:24.34 | NeoTron | massive win: "Beast Master 61 point talent - Cute Pets. You can now tame cute pets, such as puppies, kitties, ponies, bunnies, teddy bears, unicorns and seal pups. |
| 19:24.38 | KriLL3 | Bibi`: it's not easily seen on the left nav menu, I didn't know it was hidden somewhere a couple of pages past on the main page =P |
| 19:24.49 | Bibi` | oh |
| 19:24.53 | Bibi` | it's not even on the left nav menu |
| 19:25.02 | Bibi` | :p |
| 19:25.21 | KriLL3 | man, the naxx sets just look like a bit more detailed versions of the level 60 naxx stuff :( |
| 19:25.27 | NeoTron | Bibi`: blue tracker - what's up with the static "live from mmo champion" at the top? |
| 19:25.29 | KriLL3 | lazy concept artists are lazy |
| 19:25.39 | NeoTron | surely build 8770 isn't the "hawt stuff" anymore :P |
| 19:26.00 | Groktard | i'd rather them take a shortcut on entry level raid gear so they have more time for the real stuff |
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| 19:26.04 | Bibi` | NeoTron : LAZY LAZY LAZY. |
| 19:26.05 | Bibi` | :D |
| 19:26.11 | Bibi` | because my RSS feed sucks |
| 19:26.17 | Groktard | waits for KriLL3 to say something else negative |
| 19:26.18 | Bibi` | and I was manually updating it |
| 19:26.20 | Bibi` | no kidding. |
| 19:26.46 | NeoTron | ahah. ok |
| 19:26.49 | NeoTron | maybe remove it then :P |
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| 19:28.24 | Dashkal | Bibi`: Bug in the tracker. http://blue.mmo-champion.com/13/10544541050-offtopic-1001-bans-started-yesterday.html -- The last post actually has <Maaven> at the beginning of some of those lines. Looks like it gets confused when it runs across HTML-like stuff |
| 19:28.30 | KriLL3 | Groktard: how about all 3 teirs of pvp gear are identical except for minor color differences? =P |
| 19:28.39 | KriLL3 | lazy concept artists are lazy |
| 19:29.05 | Bibi` | Dashkal : I know, old. |
| 19:29.06 | Bibi` | :p |
| 19:29.14 | Bibi` | and I fail at coding, and have to rely on someone else |
| 19:29.16 | Bibi` | who is VERY lazy |
| 19:29.19 | Dashkal | :p |
| 19:29.19 | Bibi` | and very unpaid, for the moment |
| 19:29.20 | Bibi` | so yeah. |
| 19:29.24 | Bibi` | live with it. |
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| 19:29.57 | Dashkal | heh, I would've already 'fixed' it if I didn't fail at javascript so badly |
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| 19:31.25 | Groktard | bets he fails more than Dashkal |
| 19:31.49 | Dashkal | I won't argue with that :p |
| 19:32.54 | Mr_O | have i come to the right place to get help with a wow addon? |
| 19:33.12 | Facktotum | bibi coverage for mlg tomorrow? |
| 19:33.17 | Bibi` | yes. |
| 19:33.18 | Bibi` | tons. |
| 19:34.40 | Mr_O | Ill take that as either a no, on an enmasse "afk". |
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| 19:35.08 | Bibi` | MLG owns MMO-Champion |
| 19:35.14 | Bibi` | :p |
| 19:35.26 | Bibi` | so that's just a "yes, tons." |
| 19:35.26 | Facktotum | hence bibi is rich |
| 19:35.30 | Bibi` | not really |
| 19:35.43 | Bibi` | MMO-Champion is a news site, mostly updated by a single guy |
| 19:35.51 | Bibi` | it's a super-high risk investment |
| 19:36.04 | Bibi` | Wowhead guys are rich ! |
| 19:37.01 | KriLL3 | just wish that the gnome that updated mmo-c put the content of his main page posts into some kind of navigation so you don't have to dig for everything |
| 19:37.04 | Dashkal | Mr_O: This is IRC, just ask the question and we'll answer if we can. (On topic is any addon found on wowace) |
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| 19:39.26 | Facktotum | Mr_O: ask the question or whatever you need help with |
| 19:40.20 | NeoTron | ~asktoask |
| 19:40.22 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 19:40.46 | Facktotum | :\ |
| 19:40.58 | TrouserGnome | devours Mr_O's soul |
| 19:41.01 | Mr_O | Sorry, i havent been in IRC in a very long time.... |
| 19:41.13 | TrouserGnome | commands Mr_O to ask his question |
| 19:41.13 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=6104960722&sid=1 <-omg it's you Bibi` |
| 19:41.15 | Fisker- | why so whine? |
| 19:41.18 | Mr_O | The last time i was in IRC, it was a permanant state of flamewars... |
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| 19:41.45 | Mr_O | Im trying to get EquipCompare to work, and i seem to be having difficulty. |
| 19:41.55 | Mr_O | Has the addon stopped being developed? |
| 19:42.06 | Facktotum | bibi a gnome |
| 19:42.09 | NeoTron | I swear the author just said it worked as-is in wotlk |
| 19:42.12 | Facktotum | no way :\ |
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| 19:42.39 | Mr_O | i wouldnt disbelieve that it works in wrath, but i just cant seem to get it to work on my system |
| 19:43.03 | fewyn | find and replace is the best invention ever |
| 19:43.10 | TrouserGnome | enable out of date addons? |
| 19:43.17 | Mr_O | indeedy fewyn |
| 19:43.20 | Mr_O | Yes, i have tried that |
| 19:43.39 | Mr_O | however, the error is actually titled "Incompatable" rather than just "out of date" |
| 19:43.54 | TrouserGnome | what version are you using? |
| 19:44.12 | NeoTron | maybe it's a wotlk version so it's too new? |
| 19:44.22 | Mr_O | according to the change log, its 2.9.4k: |
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| 19:44.42 | NeoTron | what is the version in the .toc file? |
| 19:45.04 | NeoTron | the Interface: specifically |
| 19:45.11 | Mr_O | ## Author: Legorol |
| 19:45.11 | Mr_O | ## Version: 2.9.4 |
| 19:45.26 | NeoTron | ## Interface <-- that one |
| 19:46.03 | Mr_O | ## Interface: 1800 |
| 19:46.17 | TrouserGnome | lol |
| 19:46.25 | TrouserGnome | where did you find that!?!?!? |
| 19:46.32 | Mr_O | um... im getting the impression thats not 2.4 wow but 1.8 ? |
| 19:46.44 | Facktotum | wow 1800 |
| 19:46.54 | Facktotum | we are on 2400 |
| 19:46.58 | Mr_O | yea.... |
| 19:47.24 | TrouserGnome | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4392-EquipCompare.html |
| 19:47.26 | Mr_O | well, google's not really helping me out |
| 19:47.35 | TrouserGnome | ## Interface: 3000 |
| 19:48.22 | Facktotum | you dont look for addons on google :) |
| 19:49.09 | Mr_O | there we go |
| 19:49.19 | Mr_O | yea, google isnt exaclty the best solution |
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| 19:49.35 | Mr_O | however, i tried searching on a few other sites, like curse.com |
| 19:49.45 | Mr_O | curse didnt exactly seem to be a great help |
| 19:49.51 | TrouserGnome | ya, i didn't see it on curse |
| 19:49.59 | TrouserGnome | it's a pretty win addon |
| 19:50.03 | Mr_O | oh, its on there, trust me :-P |
| 19:50.08 | TrouserGnome | oO |
| 19:50.11 | Mr_O | just not the one you should be downloading :-P |
| 19:50.26 | TrouserGnome | pokes Legorol |
| 19:50.53 | Mr_O | i do appreciate the help you guys have given me, it is greatly appreciated |
| 19:51.00 | Facktotum | i can't find eqcopare on curseforge |
| 19:51.05 | Facktotum | eqcompare* |
| 19:51.23 | Tornhoof | hmm .pkgmeta files from branches aren't parsed yet, are they? |
| 19:51.25 | NeoTron | actually current live TOC is 20400 and WotLK is 30000 |
| 19:51.36 | TrouserGnome | hehe |
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| 19:52.04 | Mr_O | really, its 20400? I thought it would be 2400 |
| 19:52.12 | Mr_O | this is why i dont do any coding |
| 19:52.16 | Mr_O | Dyslexia sucks |
| 19:52.36 | TrouserGnome | probably in case blizzard makes 10 content patches in 1 xpac again |
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| 19:52.51 | TrouserGnome | brb |
| 19:53.01 | NeoTron | like the good old 1.12.1 => 11201 or whatever |
| 19:54.02 | Facktotum | 20400 i mistyped hehe |
| 19:55.01 | Mr_O | so, how is wrath these days anyway? |
| 19:55.13 | Mr_O | i assume some of you are in the beta, with no NDA, right? |
| 19:55.25 | Facktotum | yep |
| 19:55.51 | TrouserGnome | wonders if he won't get disconnected again |
| 19:55.59 | TrouserGnome | whoa, i didn't |
| 19:56.00 | NeoTron | it's kickass |
| 19:56.06 | Mr_O | well, i have a 70 holy priest and a 68 boomkin |
| 19:56.13 | TrouserGnome | *oomkin |
| 19:56.15 | Mr_O | whats viable for a boomkin in wrath? |
| 19:56.28 | TrouserGnome | wrath spam! |
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| 19:57.16 | fewyn | TYPHOON SPAM! |
| 19:57.16 | NeoTron | they are as viable as any caster class imho |
| 19:57.46 | TrouserGnome | hears they are a notch below smite priests |
| 19:58.43 | Mr_O | i want a DPS casting class |
| 19:59.03 | NeoTron | then play either a shadow priest or boomkin |
| 19:59.03 | Facktotum | look no further |
| 19:59.10 | Facktotum | warlocks |
| 19:59.14 | Facktotum | one button win |
| 19:59.17 | Mr_O | so its either respec as sPriest for leveling and just stay sPriest at 80, or keep the boomkin as the DPS and keep the sPriest holy |
| 19:59.39 | TrouserGnome | you don't necessarily need to pick a spec |
| 19:59.51 | TrouserGnome | since caster and healer gear is very similar |
| 20:00.05 | Mr_O | in wrath? |
| 20:00.08 | Mr_O | or in tbc? |
| 20:00.09 | TrouserGnome | yes |
| 20:00.12 | TrouserGnome | wrath |
| 20:00.16 | Mr_O | excellent, that would be nice |
| 20:00.26 | TrouserGnome | +heal has been changed to spellpower |
| 20:01.03 | KriLL3 | and vise versa right? |
| 20:01.15 | TrouserGnome | no |
| 20:02.08 | NeoTron | Mr_O: you can level fine as disc/holy or so |
| 20:02.28 | TrouserGnome | so nobody in my class could upload their homework assignment on blackboard |
| 20:02.41 | TrouserGnome | we go to the IT desk |
| 20:02.45 | TrouserGnome | "oh it works fine!" |
| 20:02.57 | TrouserGnome | and they bust out internet explorer 5 |
| 20:03.28 | TrouserGnome | ff 1/2/3 and ie 6/7 don't work |
| 20:03.29 | TrouserGnome | :D |
| 20:03.30 | Mr_O | i cant really level as disc/holy - as i cant really instance |
| 20:03.39 | Mr_O | i live in ireland most of the year |
| 20:03.49 | TrouserGnome | ya, levelling as disc/holy is silly |
| 20:03.50 | Mr_O | so getting a group on my US server isnt really easy |
| 20:04.00 | TrouserGnome | but with so much gold inflation and meeting stones |
| 20:04.12 | TrouserGnome | it's reasonable to respec for each run |
| 20:04.21 | Mr_O | i said MOST of the year, but also live in the US... so, caught between a rock and a hard place |
| 20:04.24 | TrouserGnome | especially since you're probably not looking at many runs while levelling |
| 20:04.50 | TrouserGnome | time for more opengl fun |
| 20:05.03 | TrouserGnome | on wednesday i posted some of his sample code |
| 20:05.09 | TrouserGnome | his = my professor's |
| 20:05.20 | TrouserGnome | and was lampooned for it |
| 20:05.23 | TrouserGnome | :( |
| 20:05.33 | TrouserGnome | "get a new professor!" |
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| 20:19.43 | sb | mhhhm |
| 20:19.51 | sb | is there some LDB money display? |
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| 20:21.58 | kruM | Hi there, short question: Is (or will) there be any way to update addons simply by using svn update? |
| 20:22.31 | Groktar | ... |
| 20:22.54 | Groktar | do you know how to checkout with svn? |
| 20:22.59 | NivFreak | I think the short answer is no |
| 20:23.11 | NeoTron | and the real answer is.. yes? |
| 20:23.13 | NivFreak | and the longer answer is maybe |
| 20:23.23 | NivFreak | NeoTron: not everyone has code in SVN now, right? |
| 20:23.30 | NeoTron | might be true |
| 20:23.35 | NeoTron | it's not a universal yes for all addons |
| 20:23.43 | Groktar | really? |
| 20:23.50 | Industrial | checking out ~= "updating". Don't use it as suck |
| 20:23.52 | Industrial | such* |
| 20:24.02 | Industrial | haven't we learnt from the past? |
| 20:24.04 | Groktar | well, you have to check it out to update it |
| 20:24.16 | Industrial | but you dont check 200 addons out every day. |
| 20:24.17 | NeoTron | Industrial: the repositories are out there so people can use them freely |
| 20:24.32 | NeoTron | and I suspect more people will do so with the removal of WAU |
| 20:24.39 | kruM | I've a few WoW addons installed (using svn checkout --ignore-externals http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/...) and tried to figure out where to access that new repository... |
| 20:24.48 | Groktar | was already doing it with wotlk addons |
| 20:24.52 | Industrial | oldsvn.wowace.com |
| 20:24.57 | NeoTron | wrong answer |
| 20:25.01 | Groktar | just right click -> update with tortoisesvn |
| 20:25.04 | NivFreak | but for example, ckknight is using git now, right? |
| 20:25.07 | NeoTron | correct answer is to check the new repository for each addon |
| 20:25.14 | kruM | oldsvn.wowace.com allows "list" but not "update"? |
| 20:25.28 | Groktar | what's git? |
| 20:25.29 | NeoTron | oldsvn is old and read only so there will be no "updates" there |
| 20:25.35 | digmouse | there is no update to it anymore |
| 20:25.39 | digmouse | never |
| 20:25.59 | digmouse | so use new curse client or make update for each repo |
| 20:27.40 | kruM | I'd like to update for each repository... What's the base url? |
| 20:28.40 | NeoTron | go to each addon and look |
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| 20:29.32 | NeoTron | typically it's svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/addon-name/mainline/trunk though |
| 20:30.11 | NeoTron | where addon-name typically would match this: MagicTargets => magic-targets and LibLogger-1.0 => lib-logger-1-0 |
| 20:30.16 | kruM | Thanks NeoTron. |
| 20:30.27 | NeoTron | but not always. some are uniqufied with wowace-addon-name |
| 20:30.30 | kruM | Yes, I read about this new (much better) naming scheme. |
| 20:30.48 | digmouse | checking out a addon's repo need ssh key or not> |
| 20:30.57 | NeoTron | nope not anonyumously |
| 20:31.13 | NeoTron | only need ssh key if yuou do svn+ssh://svn@svn[...]/ |
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| 20:31.33 | digmouse | the SSH key is global or have to set for each addon? |
| 20:31.40 | Groktar | global, isn't it? |
| 20:32.38 | kruM | Hm. |
| 20:32.43 | Groktar | or not |
| 20:32.46 | Groktar | is reading |
| 20:33.13 | Groktar | http://www.wowace.com/knowledge-base/repository-faq/ |
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| 20:34.06 | kruM | So it should be "svn list svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/pitbull-3-0/mainline/trunk" or "svn list svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/bartender-4/mainline/trunk". |
| 20:34.47 | digmouse | any difference between public url and dev url? |
| 20:34.55 | digmouse | the former is read-only? |
| 20:35.10 | Groktar | yeah, and latter isn't open to the public |
| 20:35.39 | digmouse | so if i just wanna checkout and update, no commits, no need to make SSH key? |
| 20:35.50 | Groktar | right |
| 20:36.51 | digmouse | k |
| 20:38.02 | digmouse | levelled Alchemy 0-350 on my alt and still cant decide what should take the 2nd |
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| 20:42.49 | Obelixprime | is there a way to have vim search your path as defined within your .vimrc recursively? |
| 20:43.28 | kruM | Hm. So cknight developes/maintains Pitbull, uses git, so I would need to checkout from git and my script needs to decide whether to use svn or git or whatever to update an addon because there's no consistent interface except curse-Updater (Windows binary tool)? Where's the advantage? What am I missing? |
| 20:44.01 | NivFreak | the advantage is not to the end user :) |
| 20:44.06 | NeoTron | what NivFreak said |
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| 20:44.15 | NivFreak | the advantage is, they get paid |
| 20:45.01 | kruM | And in IT scenarios everything what get paid means that there's no support for Linux user at all? :( |
| 20:45.07 | kruM | WUAH! |
| 20:45.20 | Pneumatus | doesnt the windows client run under wine? |
| 20:45.23 | NeoTron | in theory curse updater should have a linux client coming |
| 20:45.28 | NeoTron | so the promise is at least |
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| 20:46.38 | kruM | Hm. So, let me think... What may be the reason not to use windows? For sure! Being able to run windows binaries using an emulator. |
| 20:47.00 | fauxpas` | well, how do you run wow without a windows emulator? |
| 20:47.14 | NivFreak | ^_- |
| 20:47.44 | kruM | WoW is the only thing I've wine installed for ;/ |
| 20:48.28 | fauxpas` | but, you know .. how many people would actually use the linux client? and how much would it cost in development/support etc? |
| 20:49.17 | Pneumatus | assuming it runs under wine, it would be pointless developing native |
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| 20:49.36 | NeoTron | it's developed using wxWindows specifically to be cross platform |
| 20:49.55 | NivFreak | which helps with at least the UI toolkit, but not the rest :) |
| 20:50.15 | kruM | It would be some kind of trivial if there would be a consistent interface. I don't know how wau worked, or the new client will, but I can imagine there are a lot of exceptions which have to be covered in the code. |
| 20:51.32 | kruM | But, at least back to why I'm here: I will be able to use WoWace addons in the future, yes? Even if it will be much more "complicated" for me. Am I right? |
| 20:51.59 | NivFreak | of course |
| 20:52.17 | digmouse | which costs less in leveling? tailoring or enchanting? |
| 20:52.28 | NivFreak | digmouse: tailorinhg |
| 20:52.30 | NivFreak | tailoring even |
| 20:52.39 | NeoTron | worst case you can always download manually |
| 20:52.44 | NeoTron | or using a tool like JWU |
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| 20:53.32 | NeoTron | the biggest risk with the change is that many good addons never see light of day due to the author never tagging for release |
| 20:53.51 | kruM | There were rumors on eurepean WoW servers which said WoWace won't be accessible for users not paying for using the addons. WotLK is near, and I wasn't able to update Addons, many "information" on wowace.com, but nothing what really answered this question for me. |
| 20:54.00 | kruM | So: Thanks a lot for your time and anwsers! |
| 20:54.08 | NivFreak | kruM: the updater even works for free, but you have to update each one manually |
| 20:54.12 | NivFreak | and there is a 4 second delay |
| 20:54.15 | NivFreak | each time you click update |
| 20:54.19 | digmouse | but I dont found it useful to take tailoring since I dont need gears much on leveling and my guildies will take my alt to kara once 68, and enchanting needs lots of time farming rep for recipes |
| 20:54.20 | NivFreak | otherwise, it's $3/month |
| 20:54.32 | NeoTron | that 4 second delay is BS |
| 20:54.33 | NivFreak | digmouse: wait 2 weeks, and level inscription |
| 20:54.46 | digmouse | that's even more costly Niv |
| 20:54.50 | NivFreak | NeoTron: agree |
| 20:54.55 | NivFreak | digmouse: not if you have an herbalist |
| 20:55.04 | NeoTron | sure skip batch updating but don't artificially make it wait |
| 20:55.25 | digmouse | my main is though, but isnt it insc needs enchanting materials? |
| 20:55.32 | kruM | I don't have problems with that. I dev my own tools and really would like to dev WoW-addons, but the time... That's totaly okay for me. -- It's just, you see, for me as a minority, it'll just be "more complicated" ;) |
| 20:55.53 | NivFreak | digmouse: only herbs afaik |
| 20:58.23 | NeoTron | I give it a few weeks before we have a new WAU type updater that doesn't have the curse client limitations |
| 20:58.37 | digmouse | so just wait for 3.0.2? |
| 21:00.28 | Gnarfoz | if they provided a direct-access api that wouldn't make such an updater require html scraping... :\ |
| 21:00.43 | Fisker- | ~kiss Gnarfoz |
| 21:00.44 | purl | ACTION forces Gnarfoz to give starlon a big kiss on the lips |
| 21:00.46 | Fisker- | why so hostile? |
| 21:00.46 | Groktar | mmm html scraping |
| 21:01.03 | Gnarfoz | why so Fisker-? |
| 21:01.15 | Fisker- | i was first |
| 21:01.18 | Groktar | (fisker is trying to get you into bed) |
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| 21:01.49 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: but loading 82 pages to get the status of all addons is much better than loading a single xml file! |
| 21:01.51 | KriLL3 | I know a nice site that pulls the content of a site and you can select various elements or any regular site and it makes it into an RSS feed, you can set the title to a certain line/tag etc and the link to another, point it at your fav page and tada, RSS feed. |
| 21:02.10 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: why so obvious? ^^ |
| 21:02.21 | Groktar | captcha so full of win |
| 21:02.30 | Fisker- | wonders when the client will start to fetch from wowace >:E |
| 21:02.35 | Groktar | er, not captcha |
| 21:02.41 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: that's the worst abomination of html scraping, ever. ever. |
| 21:03.05 | Zeksie | there's no easy way to get a list of alts for a mod, without logging to each and remembering is there? |
| 21:03.21 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: it works |
| 21:03.28 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: so fucking what |
| 21:03.43 | Gnarfoz | Zeksie: no, that's the only way |
| 21:03.52 | KriLL3 | http://www.dapper.net/ |
| 21:04.25 | Zeksie | thought so |
| 21:05.46 | Fisker- | That's actually pretty damn awesome NeoTron |
| 21:07.28 | NeoTron | to be fair you'd only bneed to load 82 pages once.. after that you can just download changed pages (sorted by date)... :) |
| 21:08.47 | Fisker- | i'm so sick |
| 21:08.47 | Fisker- | :( |
| 21:09.13 | Gnarfoz | why so crybaby? |
| 21:09.13 | KriLL3 | why? |
| 21:09.15 | NeoTron | hopefully curse sees the light and provides api's to get list of all addons, changed addons and easy file downloading (with options to list only release, beta and all releases)... but I doubt it |
| 21:09.46 | Groktar | wasn't the whole point that people could bypass the ads in wau? |
| 21:09.52 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: doubt it, they feel too megalomaniac to open up stuff, "why do that, use your client!" |
| 21:10.01 | Groktar | why would they want to do that to their new site? |
| 21:10.07 | Dashkal | NeoTron: Only with premium, bit it's been mentioned as on the radar |
| 21:10.08 | NeoTron | people will do it anyway |
| 21:10.10 | Kaelten | KriLL3: Megalomaniac |
| 21:10.11 | Kaelten | ? |
| 21:10.19 | NeoTron | just in much more expensive ways for curse |
| 21:10.39 | KriLL3 | Megalomania (from the Greek word μεγαλομανία) is a historical term for behavior characterized by delusional fantasies of wealth, power, genius, or omnipotence |
| 21:10.40 | Fisker- | blargh i'm ded Gnarfoz |
| 21:10.42 | Gnarfoz | Groktar: the main point wasn't that you could probably bypass them, but that they weren't nearly enough to pay for all the traffic |
| 21:11.00 | Kaelten | KriLL3: I know that :P |
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| 21:11.19 | Groktar | Gnarfoz: my point is that they could end up with the exact same situation if they open up curse |
| 21:11.25 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: which was a design problem for sure |
| 21:11.25 | Gnarfoz | obviously, yes |
| 21:11.29 | KriLL3 | Kaelten: the CC client just feels like it wants to be everything for everyone and should be open at all time, instead of a simple addon updater |
| 21:11.35 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: how so? |
| 21:11.38 | NeoTron | I mean 7z vs zip => instant 30% reduction in bandwidth for example |
| 21:11.48 | Gnarfoz | yeah, increasing server load by 500% |
| 21:11.50 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: and 90% more issues and questions |
| 21:11.57 | Fisker- | why so increasing Gnarfoz ? |
| 21:12.03 | Kaelten | 7z rar etc isn't the answer |
| 21:12.03 | NeoTron | and smarter tag system like there is now so people don't update every time someone updated the kr translation => probably at least another 20% |
| 21:12.07 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: gtfo :p |
| 21:12.09 | KriLL3 | the vast majority doesn't have the tools to open 7z |
| 21:12.12 | NeoTron | Kaelten: it is if you care yes |
| 21:12.19 | Fisker- | KriLL3 they don't need it |
| 21:12.24 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 21:12.27 | Fisker- | The client should be doing the unpacking |
| 21:12.29 | NeoTron | for an automatic updater, it's most definitely a very viable answer |
| 21:12.32 | KriLL3 | oh |
| 21:12.36 | KriLL3 | true |
| 21:12.42 | Groktar | ya, should only get packed when it's tagged, right? |
| 21:12.45 | NeoTron | and it's so presently obviously so I'm surprised you feel it's not |
| 21:13.10 | KriLL3 | it's true though that it takes a lot more server load to compress 7z |
| 21:13.12 | NeoTron | manual user installed should stick to zips |
| 21:13.17 | Fisker- | i require sleep tiems from sickness :( |
| 21:13.20 | Kaelten | NeoTron: if we where going to shift what the clients used I'd suggest bz2 but thats likely not to happen. Keeping duplicates of every file that we have in a seperate client format, isn't a very good idea either. |
| 21:13.51 | KriLL3 | Fisker-: know that big flat and soft thing in your room? it's called a bed, use it. |
| 21:14.11 | NeoTron | Kaelten: 7z is quite a bit better than bz2 but alas |
| 21:14.36 | NeoTron | Kaelten: do you guys honestly expect people not to work around the curse client artificial limitations? |
| 21:15.01 | KriLL3 | I just think it's a bit shady the free version both have ads and delays |
| 21:15.07 | Kaelten | oh we fully expect people to try. Do you think I'm niave? |
| 21:15.10 | NeoTron | yes |
| 21:15.31 | NeoTron | otherwise you'd make the free client not have artificial 4 second delays and crap like that |
| 21:15.42 | Kaelten | I'd think you'd find it the opposite. I'm very practical and reasonable. |
| 21:15.43 | KriLL3 | ads are alright, delays aren't |
| 21:16.09 | KriLL3 | you still need to update the same amount of addons, making you pause between each just frustrates people |
| 21:16.10 | Groktar | because one actually makes premium worth it, while the other doesn't? |
| 21:16.10 | NeoTron | how do you feel about people moving to using svn for updating all their addons (and hg/git of course)? |
| 21:16.50 | NeoTron | or perhaps more likely, an app that automates it for the user |
| 21:16.59 | Kaelten | NeoTron: I expect a decent chunk of the authors and some of the power users to use that method, same as in the past. |
| 21:17.08 | KriLL3 | Groktar: the problem with the premium scheme is that it's paid on a monthly basis, I wouldn't mind a $50 one time payment for a lifetime of free use, but monthly? nothx. |
| 21:17.17 | NeoTron | but it's very possible to make an application that uses that method |
| 21:17.25 | Kaelten | KriLL3: $20 a year isn't that bad. |
| 21:17.26 | NeoTron | in fact it'd be pretty easy most likely |
| 21:17.42 | KriLL3 | Kaelten: no it isn't, but it's a chore to re-new the payment once a year |
| 21:17.44 | Dashkal | O.o... I'd sooner write a scraper than write an app that bundles svn, git, and hg all into a wonderful update tool... |
| 21:17.55 | NeoTron | realize that I'm playing devils advocate here. personally $20 per year doesn't really bother me if I feel the application is worth it |
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| 21:18.00 | Groktar | thinks KriLL3 has just found something else to be negative about |
| 21:18.13 | Kaelten | KriLL3: chore? 5 mins once a year? thats nothing |
| 21:18.26 | Kaelten | NeoTron: for mac and linux I could do it in bash. For windows, you're talking about a major PITA |
| 21:18.29 | KriLL3 | what payment methods do you accept? |
| 21:18.50 | Kaelten | paypal, or credit cards is the plan if I'm not mistaken |
| 21:19.08 | KriLL3 | avoid paypal is my advice |
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| 21:19.22 | KriLL3 | they can freeze accounts with no warning or reason given |
| 21:19.39 | KriLL3 | effectively taking all the money in the account |
| 21:19.59 | Kaelten | KriLL3: ya it may have its issues like that. However, not really my area of concern. |
| 21:20.12 | Kaelten | Not meaning to sound calous |
| 21:20.13 | Gnarfoz | if they're doing that, they're either not a bank for long anymore, or you're not talking about businesses' accounts. |
| 21:20.22 | KriLL3 | Kaelten: if all your money vanishes it's not your concern? =P |
| 21:20.26 | netcurse | we have a merchant account |
| 21:20.46 | netcurse | they don't do stuff like that with merchant account without talking to you before and clear issues |
| 21:20.57 | Kaelten | KriLL3: no what I mean is that management of that money and relations to paypal is not my direct responsibility. |
| 21:21.04 | Kaelten | its peoples like netcurse |
| 21:21.08 | Gnarfoz | one thing it'll entail is earning less money if the users chooses to pay via paypal, because of usage costs, but I guess the large increase in potential customers is worth it ;) |
| 21:22.01 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: all forms of payment processing come with fees, so its a sliding scale I suppose |
| 21:22.01 | Arrowmaster | they have to pay a fee anyway if users pay with credit card |
| 21:22.01 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: 10% or something like that right? |
| 21:22.01 | Groktar | 10% seems really high for paypal |
| 21:22.01 | KriLL3 | Arrowmaster: I wouldn't bet on that |
| 21:22.01 | Pneumatus | regardless of how you accept credit cards, you will ALWAYS be paying merchant account fees to someone |
| 21:22.01 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: not sure, enough for my company (ex- actually) to not offer it |
| 21:22.04 | Groktar | isn't it like a flat fee + 2% or something? |
| 21:22.33 | Gnarfoz | all I was saying was that paypal is more expensive than some other payment methods, for whoever offers it |
| 21:22.40 | KriLL3 | I just know paypal likes taking a slice of everything, annoying sending money using it since part of it vanishes as payment |
| 21:22.42 | Kaelten | the processing fees are for netcurse and the other people on his side to worry about. I'm focused at providing the service. |
| 21:22.43 | netcurse | a bit more Groktar but yes |
| 21:23.10 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: definitely, but it an be nice tog et a wider audience. |
| 21:23.14 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: heh, you should macro some of those responses, people will forget simple facts like that :> |
| 21:23.33 | Arrowmaster | do bank to bank wire transfers have a large fee? |
| 21:23.37 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: yeah, like I said, it's worth the extended customer base :> |
| 21:23.40 | Kaelten | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 21:23.41 | netcurse | international, yes |
| 21:23.42 | KriLL3 | curse feels a bit _too_ wide at times ;) |
| 21:24.02 | Kaelten | KriLL3: well I've been doing my part, lost 25 pounds in the last 3 months |
| 21:24.02 | Groktar | ya, curse needs to lay off the fast food :/ |
| 21:24.07 | Kaelten | :) |
| 21:24.23 | netcurse | i'm trying to win weight.. |
| 21:24.27 | KriLL3 | Kaelten: I meant the descriptions with obvious spelling errors and other random rubbish on there |
| 21:24.30 | Gnarfoz | how'd you do that? convert to workaholicism? :D |
| 21:24.33 | Kaelten | netcurse: you can have some of mine :) |
| 21:24.50 | Kaelten | KriLL3: descriptions you mean addon descriptions? |
| 21:24.57 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 21:24.58 | Gnarfoz | hopefully not |
| 21:25.00 | Arrowmaster | still safest from a consumer pov to pay with creditcards or atleast creditcard via paypal (and not the default of bank account) because of the protections creditcard companys offer |
| 21:25.01 | Gnarfoz | because... well |
| 21:25.04 | Gnarfoz | those are user supplied :p |
| 21:25.10 | Kaelten | ya, we don't write those. |
| 21:25.11 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: I know |
| 21:25.16 | Kaelten | we also don't have the resources to maintain them |
| 21:25.20 | Kaelten | and even if we did |
| 21:25.21 | netcurse | yeah arrowmaster, we have protections for fraud etc with paypal |
| 21:25.33 | Kaelten | we'd only piss people off |
| 21:25.34 | Gnarfoz | so what are you bitching about, do you want it to be an editorial addon index or something? :> |
| 21:25.34 | KriLL3 | just saying the ace community felt a bit more mature and focused on high quality addons |
| 21:25.34 | Arrowmaster | yeah normal paypal accounts dont |
| 21:25.45 | netcurse | we want things to be simple, we choosed paypal for payment, and amazon for the author reward program, so we don't manage stocks |
| 21:25.46 | Arrowmaster | your only protection is if you only have a credit card linked to the account |
| 21:25.54 | Kaelten | KriLL3: you're assuming the focus of wowace has changed. |
| 21:25.59 | KriLL3 | Kaelten: not at all |
| 21:26.01 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: uhm at least half of the addons on the wowace svn are, even if only in hindsight, rubbish :D |
| 21:26.17 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: that's a better record than curse ;) |
| 21:26.19 | Pneumatus | o.O my premade priest has 24k hp with fort+battlemaster trink |
| 21:26.33 | Kody | yep |
| 21:26.38 | KriLL3 | Pneumatus: yeah blizz buffed hp for level 80 players |
| 21:26.40 | Kody | they increased base HP values for all classes |
| 21:26.43 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: quite likely, yes, but they're still not one and the same, so where's the problem ^^ |
| 21:26.43 | Kody | at 80 |
| 21:26.56 | Kaelten | People upset about WAU and the CC are really, at least in some ways, contributing to an uneasy feeling surrounding things. Combine that with those not happy over the site upgrades we have some work ahead of us before we can level things out. |
| 21:27.15 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: none really, just saying curse is a bit "casual". |
| 21:27.33 | Gnarfoz | s/curse is/curse's userbase is/ ?^^ |
| 21:27.46 | KriLL3 | too many hackjobs by 14 year olds |
| 21:28.04 | KriLL3 | the userbase of a user content driven site sets the tone kinda ;) |
| 21:28.10 | Gnarfoz | you're talking more or less directly to the guys behind the actual page etc., not to the people who make up the community / userbase |
| 21:28.13 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: I've not seen a massive influx of curse's users on wowace. And we actually have more stringent controls over accepting addons than we did before. |
| 21:28.23 | KriLL3 | youtube might have started out as the premier place to upload video, now it's just to see someone get hit in the nuts |
| 21:28.28 | Arrowmaster | imho right now i think wowace/curseforge should be the top priority though just to make sure any damage from bugs is minimized and doesnt drasticly hurt the image |
| 21:28.36 | Groktar | wants to put converge_fu back on wowace |
| 21:28.52 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: indeed |
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| 21:29.06 | Dashkal | Can I ask a question of wowace from the perspective of a total outsider? What should "wowace" mean to someone who isn't part of it? |
| 21:29.07 | Kody | KriLL3: Are you saying we need to start hosting "nut shot" videos on Curse? :P |
| 21:29.14 | netcurse | Arrowmaster, trust me, it's the core focus. |
| 21:29.16 | KriLL3 | Kody: yes indeed... |
| 21:29.30 | Kody | WoW-themed, even |
| 21:29.34 | Gnarfoz | I propose KriLL3 as the first subject. ;p |
| 21:29.44 | KriLL3 | vetoed! |
| 21:29.46 | KriLL3 | runs away |
| 21:29.55 | Arrowmaster | netcurse: yeah i figured, but its not like people nitpicking over minor things in CC should expect much soon |
| 21:29.56 | Kaelten | Yes we can dress KriLL3 up in a orc outfit. |
| 21:29.59 | KriLL3 | lets see if coldarra feels like working today |
| 21:30.12 | KriLL3 | they just added premades to it, so I guess not... |
| 21:30.20 | Matrix110| | KriLL3 it lags even worse :D |
| 21:30.20 | Dashkal | At one point it was nothing (as in off the radar to outsiders). Then it became this really good set of addons. Then it became this cult figure. And till recently it was "that easy place to update your addons real quick-like". |
| 21:30.21 | KriLL3 | thx blizz for not giving europe more than one server |
| 21:30.21 | stew_a | coldarra just got premades so we won't see it for at least a week |
| 21:30.32 | Kaelten | Arrowmaster: well I expect that by years end you'll see a massively refined site. The road map items we have will leave a lot of room for new feature requests once they're all done. |
| 21:30.32 | netcurse | We already have an internal build Arrowmaster that fix lots of issues. The dis embedded will take more time. |
| 21:30.36 | Gaurong | i've got about 400 ms in DK starting area |
| 21:30.52 | KriLL3 | Gaurong: pfft that's nothing |
| 21:30.55 | KriLL3 | I've had 4k+ |
| 21:30.58 | Kaelten | Dashkal: I'm restarting the cult, got my ULC license and everything. |
| 21:31.12 | Arrowmaster | yeah disembedding is a nitpick issue imho, it doesnt hurt anybody to wait |
| 21:31.14 | Gaurong | i know i meant it was fairly good for the beta servers :p |
| 21:31.27 | KriLL3 | ah k |
| 21:31.30 | Dashkal | heh. My point is that I'm wondering what "image" you _want_ to have. Helps when trying to protect it... |
| 21:31.40 | Kaelten | Arrowmaster: I just sat down with Kolie and helped him debug the major bug issues witht he client. |
| 21:32.05 | KriLL3 | I wish blizz gave us more than one server... perhaps even 3-4 ones, one for each language or something like that... not that fun to read mostly german chat in /1 |
| 21:32.11 | Kaelten | Dashkal: I'm more interested in being the community who puts out some of the best addons around. Part of the reason why we are tightening the belts so to say. |
| 21:32.21 | Arrowmaster | any known outstanding bugs with the site other than syndication and that little utf8 bug we found? |
| 21:32.26 | NeoTron | netcurse: does fixing issues mean removing things such as installing the curse scraper addon without asking and artificial delays? :P |
| 21:32.35 | Kaelten | Arrowmaster: the utf8 bug was Acki's fault iirc |
| 21:32.40 | Gnarfoz | KriLL3: who cares about your fun if you don't know a language? xD the only thing we'd need more servers for is LOAD. :p |
| 21:32.42 | Arrowmaster | yes it was |
| 21:32.58 | Arrowmaster | but it still shouldnt have happened and can be protected against |
| 21:33.02 | KriLL3 | Gnarfoz: well it would help load if we had more servers =P |
| 21:33.10 | Gnarfoz | I know, thus my reply. |
| 21:33.36 | Arrowmaster | but its minor since it will be perty rare to trigger, and can thus be looked at and fixed later |
| 21:33.41 | Groktar | would it really help blizzard any to have more eu servers? |
| 21:34.27 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: can you be bothered to sum up 'that utf8 bug'? I could probably read hours of #curseforge backlog, but that's not fun :p |
| 21:34.42 | Fasti | if you take sunwell gear and plug gems in them, can you still swap them for other version after awhile? :) |
| 21:34.43 | Kaelten | Arrowmaster: ya, I'll have to find out more details about how it happened though |
| 21:35.37 | Groktar | Fasti: don't think blizzard is usually too friendly about it once you start enchanting things |
| 21:35.43 | NeoTron | I think there's better ways to make people want to update than making the free version close to useless |
| 21:36.00 | NeoTron | "useless" being exaggarated of course |
| 21:36.24 | netcurse | the free version still save you tons of time vs having nothing |
| 21:36.29 | Dashkal | netcurse: (Personal opinion) Gonna direct this at you because you made some of these calls. Your bundled scraper being just appearing by default has the feel (though I assume not the intent) of spyware. It feels shady and hurts the image of that client. Made it opt-in, not out-out. The forced delay between updating addons feels hacked on and artificial. You've already dealt with most of... |
| 21:36.30 | Fasti | Groktar: just lose gems, at least that's what this guy says :) |
| 21:36.31 | Dashkal | ...the bandwidth issue with the change to not send every alpha to every single customer. |
| 21:36.46 | NeoTron | netcurse: people will implement a version that has no delays using methods more expensive to you |
| 21:36.59 | NeoTron | netcurse: 4 second delay is enough motivation |
| 21:37.04 | Kody | Dashkal: We have 48,000 people using the client specifically for the profiler for Warhammer so they can have their characters on WarDB |
| 21:37.04 | Dashkal | and NeoTron beat me to it, that would have been my next comment |
| 21:37.10 | Groktar | Fasti: who is "this guy" |
| 21:37.27 | Dashkal | Kody: I didn't say it was bad, just that it's bundled in and is automatic. Players that want it will seek it out |
| 21:37.29 | netcurse | Dashkal, we are adressing the *scrapper* issue within 2 weeks or so. |
| 21:37.40 | NeoTron | doesn't matter if it's faster than manually doing it because you can automate it to make it even faster |
| 21:37.41 | Dashkal | netcurse: sweet |
| 21:38.01 | Fasti | Groktar: guildie |
| 21:38.04 | Matrix110| | and btw please add some kind of status or summary which AddOns got update because I dont like comparing dates to see what happaned tbh :P |
| 21:38.05 | digmouse | netcurse: will the client be available in other languages? |
| 21:38.14 | NeoTron | Kody: it's not a problem providing the scraper, it's doing it as opt out rather than opt in |
| 21:38.16 | Groktar | NeoTron: i don't think most people are capable of that, and they'll probably always find a loophole of some kind, no matter what you do |
| 21:38.35 | NeoTron | Groktar: only takes one person to implement the client that does it |
| 21:38.35 | pentium166 | is being unable to post on the wowace forums a common problem right now? |
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| 21:38.56 | Kolie | hihi |
| 21:39.01 | netcurse | digmouse, being french myself that's something i would like to see soon ;) but it's not super priority |
| 21:39.04 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: ackis had a file with a utf8 bom, but it had a win1252 apostrophe character in it thats on what ends up being on byte thats not a valid character in utf8 and python didnt like it and decided to read the file as ascii instead of utf8, so then it wrote the file as utf8 and tried to write out the utf8 characters for the ascii representation of the utf8 bom |
| 21:39.12 | NeoTron | Kody: I suspect many would opt in to use it given the chance |
| 21:39.42 | NeoTron | personally I don't use wowdb and really have no interest in running it since it's bound to, even if written well, use memory i rather not give to something I don't use ;-) |
| 21:39.44 | digmouse | netcurse: just make it work better, language is not priority :D, but still looking forward to an ETA |
| 21:39.58 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: ouch oO that's... both very weird and probably a fringe case but thanks for the summary |
| 21:40.07 | charon | Arrowmaster, Gnarfoz: actually it's not python's fault, but the packager's, though that's a minor detail |
| 21:40.14 | charon | (python never converts anything unless asked to) |
| 21:40.21 | Groktar | whee beta patch today |
| 21:40.38 | Kolie | New curse client which fixes all known bugs : ( its a test release ) http://static.curseforge.net/client/CurseSetup-2.0.0.14.exe |
| 21:40.39 | digmouse | Groktar: you dont mean 9014? |
| 21:40.47 | NeoTron | Kaelten et al - I will say this, the new WoWAce for me as a developer is about 10 times as good |
| 21:40.54 | digmouse | I just logged in with a very little patch |
| 21:40.56 | fewyn | beta patch incoming >_> |
| 21:40.57 | Groktar | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/24/10539073293-scheduled-maintenance-10308.html |
| 21:41.00 | digmouse | without patch notes |
| 21:41.03 | digmouse | wow |
| 21:41.11 | Groktar | they said they're going down for 5-7 hours today |
| 21:41.21 | digmouse | seems a big one? |
| 21:41.22 | Groktar | starting at 3pm pdt |
| 21:41.29 | fewyn | nah it's a normal one digmouse |
| 21:41.32 | KriLL3 | when's that? |
| 21:41.37 | fewyn | 19 minutes |
| 21:41.39 | Groktar | -8 gmt |
| 21:41.40 | fewyn | 18 |
| 21:41.55 | digmouse | and when for GMT+8? |
| 21:42.00 | Arrowmaster | well i can see it being less of a fringe case with all the translators that dont know what they are doing or authors that dont know what they are doing when it comes to utf8, such as somebody using a shitty editor that doesnt detect the file as utf8 and shows the multibyte characters as seperate bytes and somebody tries to edit something in it |
| 21:42.01 | [SW]Dodge | Kolie: does it bring my requested features? :D:D |
| 21:42.12 | Arrowmaster | but still should be fairly rare |
| 21:42.12 | Kolie | [SW]Dodge which? |
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| 21:42.23 | [SW]Dodge | 1sek |
| 21:42.33 | [SW]Dodge | Kolie: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curse-client-beta/tickets/329-four-feature-requests/ |
| 21:42.40 | fewyn | digmouse: about 17 minutes now |
| 21:42.53 | charon | Arrowmaster: i'm actually all for your suggested strict utf-8 checking as long as it can be disabled in .pkgmeta |
| 21:43.00 | digmouse | uh, should be arould 6am for me |
| 21:43.31 | Matrix110| | Kolie are you addressing the issue that you got NO idea what AddOns got updated/are getting updated because its kinda ridiculous if you press a Button and nothing happens |
| 21:43.34 | Arrowmaster | charon: if its only on files that have utf8 boms, i dont think it should even be disablable |
| 21:43.37 | Kolie | Number three is in :) |
| 21:43.40 | Fisker- | i r so sick Groktar :( |
| 21:43.46 | KriLL3 | what's that in CEST? |
| 21:43.54 | Kolie | Matrix110|: If it does anything a window pops up letting you know. |
| 21:43.57 | KriLL3 | aka UTC+2 |
| 21:44.02 | Kaelten | NeoTron: thanks :) |
| 21:44.07 | fewyn | KriLL3: 16 minutes =p |
| 21:44.10 | fewyn | so whatever time it is now |
| 21:44.12 | Kaelten | Making the site as good as possible has been my main focus. |
| 21:44.15 | fewyn | plus 16 minutes |
| 21:44.20 | Matrix110| | Kolie no it updated my AddOns but I nowhere saw it did anything just the date told me they got changed |
| 21:44.21 | KriLL3 | 00:00 then |
| 21:44.40 | Kaelten | I've been acting as a ... consultant for the client. |
| 21:44.42 | Kolie | If an addon is being downloaded or installed, a progress meter MUST show. |
| 21:44.54 | Kolie | That is, unless there is a full screen game running. |
| 21:44.55 | Fisker- | l2timezone |
| 21:45.18 | Matrix110| | well Kolie if that is there for 1-2secs I wont even notice it I would like to have a Static Window showing it |
| 21:45.26 | Matrix110| | Like a Visible Log |
| 21:45.43 | Kolie | There is one log, the curseclient.log |
| 21:45.45 | Kolie | its not that pretty. |
| 21:46.04 | [SW]Dodge | Kolie: what about correct addon detection? :D it detects SunnViewport ARtpack 5 but i have 1 installed ^^ |
| 21:46.04 | Kolie | I could keep an in memory cache of addons that clears on exit. |
| 21:46.10 | Kolie | Ill put it in now. |
| 21:46.33 | Kaelten | Matrix110|: we're also talking about putting a progress log so people can see all the scrolly text |
| 21:46.35 | Matrix110| | I just updated my AddOns it took about half a sec I cant spot what/which AddOn got updated there :P |
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| 21:47.04 | KriLL3 | yeah it doesn't provide enough feedback |
| 21:47.12 | Camci | so... WAU doesnt work anymore? :O |
| 21:47.14 | KriLL3 | you just look at it and wonder if it did anything |
| 21:47.24 | KriLL3 | Camci: it works, but none of the addons listed can get updated |
| 21:47.27 | Matrix110| | I can sort by latest but thats not helping if they get updated the same day |
| 21:47.32 | Camci | so it doesnt work |
| 21:47.49 | KriLL3 | Camci: if you want only addons updated prior to the date it was frozen it does... |
| 21:47.54 | Matrix110| | Not to mention if I deselect Auto Update AddOns it wont save it |
| 21:48.14 | Kody | [14:49] <Matrix110|> Not to mention if I deselect Auto Update AddOns it wont save it -- this is fixed in 2.0.0.14 |
| 21:48.16 | Camci | that wont be to the latest update :p what client works for the latest then? Curse one? |
| 21:48.28 | Matrix110| | ah good Kody |
| 21:48.35 | Kaelten | Matrix110|: fixed in the new one he just linked |
| 21:49.05 | Kaelten | along with diry uninstalls, minimization errors, installing addons while wow is open etc |
| 21:49.23 | Camci | cba to update now anyway... wotlk coming soon with mostlely will fuck up UI. no point now ^^ |
| 21:49.43 | Kaelten | Camci: yes the curse one |
| 21:49.50 | JY` | mmh |
| 21:49.54 | JY` | coldarra going down |
| 21:49.57 | Camci | Thanks |
| 21:50.12 | Camci | guess its time to give it a try >_> |
| 21:50.12 | KriLL3 | Jy: shocking isn't it? |
| 21:50.21 | JY` | patching |
| 21:50.28 | Kilroo | discovers that his old Visor script won't work. |
| 21:50.31 | JY` | 14 min before shutdown |
| 21:50.35 | Josh_Borke | ...visor? |
| 21:50.37 | Josh_Borke | seriously? |
| 21:50.48 | JY` | actually coldarra runing smoothly |
| 21:50.54 | KriLL3 | odd |
| 21:50.56 | JY` | i've made a wintergrasp |
| 21:51.01 | Kilroo | Yep |
| 21:51.07 | KriLL3 | thought every 14 year old and their mother would log on to try premades |
| 21:51.16 | JY` | :) |
| 21:51.21 | Kilroo | I'm not sure if I was using Visor or Infinibars there at the end |
| 21:51.26 | stew_a | KriLL3 they did, and took down the webserver before they could copy :-) |
| 21:51.35 | KriLL3 | heh |
| 21:51.36 | JY` | KriLL3: limited by copying speed |
| 21:51.37 | Matrix110| | btw can anyone help me to spot the Ace3 Version of aguf on the new page I cant seem to find it :-( |
| 21:51.40 | Kilroo | but mostly I found Visor suited my purposes better than most bar addons. |
| 21:51.45 | Matrix110| | was in branches before |
| 21:51.46 | KriLL3 | I used the uber secret copy link from mmo-c =P |
| 21:51.56 | JY` | i'm glad to have an rss irc bot |
| 21:52.02 | KriLL3 | Jy: so in a couple of days it will be unplayable? |
| 21:52.15 | JY` | couple of day = tomorrow ? |
| 21:52.20 | JY` | :) |
| 21:52.21 | KriLL3 | kk =P |
| 21:52.46 | KriLL3 | I'm huge a huge fan of the feral gear, looks like a monk... |
| 21:53.21 | KriLL3 | better than a purple... something... with gems though I'll admit |
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| 21:54.05 | KriLL3 | http://krill3.com/screenshots/WoWScrnShot_100308_210042.jpg <-- aren't I cute? XD |
| 21:54.28 | KriLL3 | yes, I'll shave when the patch comes... |
| 21:54.41 | JY` | BV:) |
| 21:54.47 | JY` | male ne ftl :p |
| 21:54.50 | KriLL3 | strokes his beard in an evil way |
| 21:54.52 | [SW]Dodge | KriLL3: no wai |
| 21:54.52 | JY` | female ne will win |
| 21:55.23 | KriLL3 | jy: I'm uncomfortable playing female chars... feels too much like crossdressing... |
| 21:55.38 | JY` | :p |
| 21:55.49 | KriLL3 | not that my shoulders spouting flowers helps any... |
| 21:56.00 | KriLL3 | or the purple color scheme... |
| 21:56.06 | JY` | i prefer crossdressing than being ugly |
| 21:56.23 | JY` | actually horde male chars are nice |
| 21:56.31 | KriLL3 | that helmet is a lot worse than my S2 one was |
| 21:56.38 | JY` | male alliance looks like retarded guys |
| 21:56.41 | KriLL3 | especially with my beard... |
| 21:57.08 | JY` | male dwarves are ok |
| 21:57.18 | Jim-Bim | is there an alternative for !StopTheSpam? (This is gone from wowace) |
| 21:57.25 | KriLL3 | just can't see their tabards because of their beards |
| 21:57.30 | JY` | :) |
| 21:57.34 | KriLL3 | Jim-Bim: badboy? |
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| 21:57.57 | Jim-Bim | does it remove the onload messages of addons? |
| 21:57.58 | JY` | male hunter NE shooting animation are horrible |
| 21:58.06 | KriLL3 | no it's an anti spam addon |
| 21:58.07 | Jim-Bim | StopTheSpam is not really a spam blocker |
| 21:58.13 | Gaurong | stopthespam stopped addon messages when you logged in |
| 21:58.18 | Arrowmaster | Jim-Bim: its on wowinterface |
| 21:58.18 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 21:59.05 | sb | ah |
| 21:59.06 | sb | new patch |
| 21:59.07 | sb | <3 |
| 21:59.42 | KriLL3 | any notes yet? |
| 22:00.13 | Camci | who ever interests, curseforge.com if fucked in curseforge.com.com/home |
| 22:00.19 | Camci | err |
| 22:00.23 | Camci | curseforge.com/home |
| 22:00.27 | KriLL3 | ?... |
| 22:00.35 | sb | no info yet KriLL3 |
| 22:01.05 | KriLL3 | I hope they buff <insert your class here> and nerfs <insert your least favorite class here> |
| 22:01.21 | KriLL3 | druid and warlock for me... =P |
| 22:01.32 | Camci | nerf druids tbh... |
| 22:01.45 | KriLL3 | Camci: no no, buff druids. |
| 22:01.50 | KriLL3 | clearly |
| 22:02.05 | Camci | your obviously playing a druid or playing with a druid |
| 22:02.09 | sb | errr, server shutdown in 2:30 :) |
| 22:02.23 | KriLL3 | Camci: I'm a feral druid |
| 22:02.36 | KriLL3 | aka the spec blizzard forgot |
| 22:02.36 | Dashkal | buff druids, nerf... *ponders* mages! |
| 22:03.02 | Camci | feral druids is ok they suck :p |
| 22:03.04 | KriLL3 | Dashkal: bah, I think it's perfectly balanced they can kill you in less than 4 seconds |
| 22:03.09 | Camci | i ment resto ones ofc :p |
| 22:03.18 | KriLL3 | Camci: I'm all for that |
| 22:03.39 | pentium166 | did the uh... beta realms have the non-expiring presence of mind bug? |
| 22:03.50 | KriLL3 | silly restos got a lot of armor on their gear and can get most of the feral tanking talents, good healing and dmg mitigation... |
| 22:04.22 | Dashkal | given that leather +armour gear is gone, that's already sorted out |
| 22:04.47 | KriLL3 | well the stock pvp items had quite a lot of armor |
| 22:05.00 | KriLL3 | and resto gear only had a bit less than feral gear |
| 22:05.35 | pentium166 | i noticed that the armour on the pvp gear was still there on the PTR but it was gone from my tanking gear |
| 22:05.44 | KriLL3 | and nothing stops the restos from equipping the neck/ring/trinkets with armor |
| 22:05.58 | KriLL3 | pentium166: the pvp gear hasn't been changed yet |
| 22:06.01 | KriLL3 | it still has int etc |
| 22:06.07 | KriLL3 | that's gonna go |
| 22:06.38 | pentium166 | i really hope they're doing something beyond the leader of the pack talent for mana regen then :( |
| 22:07.08 | KriLL3 | I'm guessing they'll make dragonhide the same as the "leather" items |
| 22:07.17 | KriLL3 | pentium166: yeah me2 |
| 22:07.29 | pentium166 | well, rogue leather had +armour in s4 too |
| 22:07.39 | KriLL3 | pentium166: I meant the pvp items |
| 22:07.48 | pentium166 | buh? |
| 22:08.03 | KriLL3 | rogue's pvp items are named <gladiator rank>'s leather <item> |
| 22:08.20 | KriLL3 | they got stam & agi, no str and int |
| 22:08.59 | KriLL3 | druids got dragonhide, kodohide and wyrmhide |
| 22:09.11 | KriLL3 | I'm saying dragonhide will most likely be a copy of "leather" |
| 22:09.15 | pentium166 | oh |
| 22:09.45 | KriLL3 | if spellpower and healing are the same I don't see the point of kodo and wyrmhide... |
| 22:09.57 | pentium166 | spell crit vs mana regen, i guess |
| 22:09.59 | pentium166 | and set bonuses |
| 22:10.01 | KriLL3 | kk |
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| 22:10.33 | KriLL3 | but they're still quite interchangeable though right? |
| 22:10.46 | pentium166 | they should be, I think |
| 22:11.03 | pentium166 | my resto shaman's going to have a decent pvp elemental set, woo |
| 22:11.13 | KriLL3 | I saw some post a while back where a blue said the idea of making HoTW do agi/ap -> int/mana was a good idea |
| 22:11.44 | KriLL3 | pentium166: guess the restokins are gonna get even better :< |
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| 22:12.15 | pentium166 | I heard that resto wasn't as strong in 3.0 so I dunno about that |
| 22:12.36 | KriLL3 | I dunno, I'm Euro so I can't really test LK pvp... |
| 22:13.07 | KriLL3 | unless you count "not in range" "you need to face your target" and getting 2-3 shotted by mages :> |
| 22:13.19 | pentium166 | my resto/balance gear is terrible so i'm not even going to try that on the test realm |
| 22:13.50 | KriLL3 | I got a partial S2 resto set |
| 22:14.11 | KriLL3 | I couldn't take it anymore when I needed 30 wsg marks for the next set piece |
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| 22:14.55 | KriLL3 | imo you shouldn't have to re-grind gear you already have for another spec |
| 22:15.03 | KriLL3 | it's unfair towards hybrids |
| 22:15.44 | pentium166 | three sets for every class! |
| 22:15.51 | Pneumatus | KriLL3: we have pvp premades now... |
| 22:15.52 | KriLL3 | heh |
| 22:16.04 | KriLL3 | Pneumatus: I know, I've already copied and tried one |
| 22:16.18 | kadrahil | slaps vithos around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:16.23 | Pneumatus | and you still cant test pvp? o.O |
| 22:16.26 | KriLL3 | though you can't really test a melee class with that high ping... |
| 22:16.40 | KriLL3 | Pneumatus: the server is in the US and it's heavily overloaded.. no not really |
| 22:16.54 | KriLL3 | perhaps if my target was kind enough to stand still |
| 22:17.19 | digmouse | but no pve premades? |
| 22:17.22 | KriLL3 | and you still need to take the delay between you and the server into account, a lot of delays between actions |
| 22:17.32 | Pneumatus | no, we havnt been given pve premades |
| 22:17.33 | KriLL3 | digmouse: none when I copied, dunno if they added any |
| 22:18.03 | digmouse | KriLL3: I dont know why blizzard provide only pvp premades |
| 22:18.14 | KriLL3 | perhaps they prefer pvp? :> |
| 22:18.48 | KriLL3 | or perhaps they figured all the pve ppl would have full pve sets by now, since they took forever to add premades... |
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| 22:20.11 | digmouse | maybe they think testing pve on normal test realms with those T6 guys is enough? |
| 22:21.10 | KriLL3 | :> |
| 22:21.31 | KriLL3 | it's a bit odd, it's a lot easier to test PvE on coldarra than pvp |
| 22:21.40 | Pneumatus | my original char copy is wearing T4, im in 5/8 T6 now :> |
| 22:22.30 | digmouse | anyone tested bc raids on test realm? |
| 22:22.59 | digmouse | we are approaching illidan on live and seems it will be just after 3.0 ship when we meet him |
| 22:23.04 | Pneumatus | apparently people are downing brut in under 3 mins on PTR |
| 22:23.37 | digmouse | ... lvl70? |
| 22:23.44 | Pneumatus | PTR, so yes. |
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| 22:24.07 | Groktar | huggles |
| 22:24.23 | digmouse | blizzard is definitely sending kara raids into SWP at once |
| 22:24.30 | NivFreak | lol |
| 22:24.33 | NivFreak | that's exagerating |
| 22:24.38 | Pneumatus | well, 30% health nerf and sunwell radiance being removed |
| 22:24.43 | Pneumatus | its not exactly gonna be that hard |
| 22:24.57 | NivFreak | kara raids aren't doing 1400dps per person |
| 22:25.06 | NivFreak | in fact, many BT raids aren't |
| 22:25.11 | Groktar | Pneumatus: what about with 1 super mana pot and healer mana efficiency shot to hell? |
| 22:25.26 | KriLL3 | why are they nerfing raid mobs/bosses hp? to make it easier to gear up prior to LK? |
| 22:25.40 | digmouse | agree |
| 22:25.40 | Pneumatus | so everyone can see KJ id guess |
| 22:25.50 | NivFreak | KriLL3: I think it has more to do with them not being confident they didn't destroy raid balance with all the removal of synergy :) |
| 22:25.54 | KriLL3 | isn't everyone more or less getting buffed in the patch anyway? thus it's even easier? |
| 22:25.59 | digmouse | M'uru will be a joke after that nerf |
| 22:26.01 | NivFreak | Groktar: mana pot debuff disappeared this build |
| 22:26.02 | KriLL3 | NivFreak: ? |
| 22:26.04 | pentium166 | everyone with a competent 25 man raid at least |
| 22:26.08 | Groktar | orly? |
| 22:26.13 | NivFreak | KriLL3: you can't stack raids now |
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| 22:26.19 | NivFreak | most of the buffs overwrite each other |
| 22:26.19 | KriLL3 | ?.. |
| 22:26.21 | NivFreak | synergy is gone |
| 22:26.23 | KriLL3 | oh that |
| 22:26.27 | NivFreak | bloodlust leaves a debuff |
| 22:26.36 | NivFreak | lock dmg got nerf by ~30% |
| 22:26.37 | KriLL3 | MoTW is still unique, you still need droods! hahaha! |
| 22:26.47 | Groktar | has heard stories about 3 minute brut kills |
| 22:26.48 | KriLL3 | same with LoTP |
| 22:26.54 | pentium166 | you only needed one druid for imp motw anyway! |
| 22:27.00 | KriLL3 | :( |
| 22:27.02 | NivFreak | umm |
| 22:27.06 | KriLL3 | shush |
| 22:27.06 | NivFreak | lotp has rampage now |
| 22:27.07 | digmouse | where does recipe of Fel Mana Potion drop? |
| 22:27.07 | digmouse | worldwide? |
| 22:27.07 | NivFreak | :P |
| 22:27.15 | KriLL3 | NivFreak: rampage? |
| 22:27.19 | NivFreak | fury warriors give 5% crit raid waid |
| 22:27.20 | NivFreak | wide |
| 22:27.31 | Groktar | but imp lotp overwrites |
| 22:27.39 | Groktar | or all lotp overwrites |
| 22:27.44 | KriLL3 | lotp is better |
| 22:27.49 | Groktar | ya |
| 22:27.53 | NivFreak | lotp is the same, imp lotp is better |
| 22:27.56 | KriLL3 | with an idol it's more crit and it's 4% hp & mana regen on crit |
| 22:27.58 | NivFreak | but just the healing bit right? |
| 22:28.02 | NivFreak | sure |
| 22:28.02 | Groktar | lotp is always up |
| 22:28.06 | KriLL3 | healing and mana |
| 22:28.07 | NivFreak | rampage is always up :P |
| 22:28.15 | Groktar | hehe |
| 22:28.16 | NivFreak | it's passive now, after each crit |
| 22:28.31 | KriLL3 | I just wish that lotp effect was in the damn tooltip... |
| 22:28.31 | NivFreak | with the ~30% crit my warrior has (bad) it was up constantly |
| 22:28.37 | Groktar | almost always up != always up |
| 22:28.47 | KriLL3 | it just says crit |
| 22:28.57 | Groktar | and like if the warrior has to run out |
| 22:28.59 | Groktar | it drops off |
| 22:29.02 | Groktar | not so with lotp |
| 22:29.53 | Groktar | feral drood so awesome for pve now |
| 22:30.08 | KriLL3 | dps or tank? |
| 22:30.14 | Groktar | tank for sure right now |
| 22:30.23 | Groktar | i don't know where they are dps wise yet |
| 22:30.25 | KriLL3 | wish we had a proper aoe ability |
| 22:30.35 | Groktar | but they're supposed to be competitive |
| 22:30.39 | KriLL3 | swipe costs 20 rage and uses gbc |
| 22:30.49 | pentium166 | swipe is apparently having the 3 target limit removed |
| 22:30.54 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 22:30.56 | pentium166 | that's what i heard at least |
| 22:30.56 | Groktar | it's already been removed |
| 22:30.59 | KriLL3 | but you need to use it all the time |
| 22:31.20 | Groktar | but it gives you unlimited rage! |
| 22:31.25 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 22:31.27 | pentium166 | oh, wow |
| 22:31.30 | pentium166 | i never thought of that |
| 22:31.32 | Groktar | primal instinct! |
| 22:31.34 | pentium166 | shit |
| 22:31.34 | KriLL3 | costs 20 rage to use, doesn't give any on hit |
| 22:31.43 | KriLL3 | and uses a GBC |
| 22:31.54 | Groktar | you mean gcd? |
| 22:31.56 | KriLL3 | *GCD |
| 22:31.57 | KriLL3 | yes |
| 22:32.17 | Groktar | but i was tearing stuff up on my feral |
| 22:32.21 | Groktar | and i'd never played one before |
| 22:32.27 | pentium166 | i can see that getting nerfed |
| 22:33.14 | Groktar | orunak fury: gives you a 50/100% chance to gain an additional 5 rage anytime you get a critical strike while in bear and dire bear form |
| 22:33.30 | Groktar | if you're swipe spamming a group of mobs you'll have a crapton of rage |
| 22:33.37 | Groktar | :) |
| 22:34.14 | pentium166 | even without that, you'd probably be getting enough rage to keep doing it |
| 22:34.18 | Groktar | ya |
| 22:34.22 | pentium166 | you'll just be able to keep mauling now |
| 22:34.23 | *** part/#wowace yoshimo (n=chatzill@p5B0C28BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:34.24 | Groktar | so rage cost isn't really an issue |
| 22:34.29 | KriLL3 | btw brewfest removed on EU realms, site says it lasts sept 20 - oct 4... luckily I spent my coins as I got them |
| 22:34.45 | Matrix110| | nothing to get besides Brew of the Month membership :P |
| 22:34.56 | KriLL3 | Groktar: you don't get rage on swipe crits |
| 22:34.58 | stew_a | did the whole thing just sort of fade away? |
| 22:35.00 | KriLL3 | you get rage on normal hit crits |
| 22:35.06 | Groktar | really? |
| 22:35.07 | Groktar | weak! |
| 22:35.18 | KriLL3 | uh, otherwise you could mangle all the time |
| 22:35.20 | Groktar | tooltip needs to be adjusted then |
| 22:35.28 | Groktar | mm? |
| 22:35.30 | Kilroo | Hmm. Actually, Visor is probably more than I need now. |
| 22:35.35 | KriLL3 | maul I meant |
| 22:35.36 | Groktar | i was having no rage problems on my premade |
| 22:35.40 | Groktar | oh, yeah |
| 22:35.42 | KriLL3 | maul is a next attack stronger kind of thing |
| 22:35.52 | KriLL3 | it stops you getting rage that swing |
| 22:35.57 | Groktar | ya, i know |
| 22:36.13 | Groktar | it's heroic strike on steroids |
| 22:36.43 | KriLL3 | steroids? it's not much of an attack |
| 22:36.48 | Kilroo | Looks like Barkeep is really what I want, actually. |
| 22:36.52 | KriLL3 | I'd say it's heroic strike with fur |
| 22:36.54 | Groktar | it was critting for 4k for me |
| 22:37.04 | KriLL3 | Groktar: what does HS crit for? =P |
| 22:37.28 | Groktar | doubt for 4k |
| 22:37.40 | KriLL3 | I'd guess it's close |
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| 22:38.08 | KriLL3 | bearform is 2.5 attack speed, a mace at that level about with that speed + HS should be about the same |
| 22:38.33 | pentium166 | a two hander maybe. even then |
| 22:38.44 | Groktar | two hander is fair |
| 22:38.44 | KriLL3 | on live my biggest maul crit was 2.1k |
| 22:38.52 | KriLL3 | bearform is like 2hander |
| 22:39.15 | KriLL3 | and that's with that bg zerk |
| 22:39.22 | KriLL3 | so 1.9k perhaps without |
| 22:39.23 | Groktar | maul gets some additional modifers on it tho, doesn't it? |
| 22:39.29 | Groktar | heroic strike is just a flat +dmg |
| 22:39.32 | buu | Bears get rage on swipe crits =/ |
| 22:39.59 | KriLL3 | Groktar: it's +176 dmg |
| 22:40.08 | pentium166 | i don't think there's any modifier on it besides the 10% damage from the resto talent |
| 22:40.08 | KriLL3 | buu: sure? |
| 22:40.09 | buu | Bears have a +5 rage on crit talent which works on every ability. |
| 22:40.14 | Groktar | and you get some other modifiers on it with talents, ya? |
| 22:40.19 | buu | Groktar: Naw |
| 22:40.24 | Groktar | hmm |
| 22:40.25 | pentium166 | but mauls do more damage on bleeding targets with some talent or something in 3.0? |
| 22:40.33 | Groktar | ya, i was talking 3.0 |
| 22:40.33 | buu | 3.0, sure |
| 22:40.37 | buu | oh |
| 22:40.38 | Fasti | queue up the 3k mauls/mangles vs KJ |
| 22:40.39 | buu | whups |
| 22:40.44 | KriLL3 | buu: are you sure it works on all abilities? I'm fairly certain it only works on normal hits |
| 22:40.52 | Fasti | live |
| 22:41.02 | buu | KriLL3: "Gain 5 rage any time you get a critical strike" |
| 22:41.04 | buu | KriLL3: And yes, I'm sure. |
| 22:41.07 | Groktar | it doesn't say that KriLL3, and there was a discussion in here the other day about how absurd it was |
| 22:41.11 | buu | Because you can spam swipe without taking damage. |
| 22:41.37 | KriLL3 | costs 20 rage and uses GCD |
| 22:41.49 | KriLL3 | you'd need it to crit 4 targets to get it's cost back |
| 22:42.27 | *** join/#wowace ByteLock (n=ByteLock@c-67-165-198-34.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 22:42.41 | ByteLock | Hey guys any idea where the docs are now for Ace? |
| 22:42.43 | pentium166 | with the target limit reduces and doing more damage while actually tanking, i don't think that will be an issue |
| 22:42.46 | KriLL3 | maul and shred does 20% more damage on bleeding targets in LK with Rend and Tear |
| 22:42.53 | KriLL3 | our next to top feral talent |
| 22:43.23 | KriLL3 | pentium166: I'd still prefer something on a cooldown that made an AoE dot, less hassle |
| 22:43.44 | Groktar | there are some advantages to swipe spam tho |
| 22:44.01 | KriLL3 | Groktar: other than hurting fingers? |
| 22:44.02 | Groktar | for instance, druids are the only class that can spam it |
| 22:44.13 | Groktar | cramped up fingers is a fact of life for a tank |
| 22:44.15 | Groktar | >.> |
| 22:44.23 | KriLL3 | ^^ |
| 22:44.25 | KriLL3 | truth |
| 22:44.36 | Groktar | it would be a lot harder for a warrior or dk to pick up a steady stream of mobs than a druid |
| 22:44.44 | KriLL3 | especially when playing with "DPS METAR?!" rogues/warlocks |
| 22:44.56 | Groktar | and it's going to be hard for a pally to keep up consecration all the time unless they're taking hefty damage |
| 22:45.04 | KriLL3 | the keyboard button I got bound to growl (taunt) is worn... |
| 22:45.18 | Groktar | hehe |
| 22:45.51 | NeoTron | Groktar: frankly I had no issues with a "steady stream" as unholy DK, atlhough it wasn't amazingly fast |
| 22:45.59 | Groktar | really? |
| 22:46.15 | NeoTron | but between unholy blight, pestilence, bloodboil, DnD and wandernig plague.. |
| 22:46.20 | KriLL3 | isn't that anti-charge DK think horrily OP? =P |
| 22:46.24 | Groktar | i was thinking of something like tanking a nef door as a dk |
| 22:46.31 | NeoTron | should be easy enough |
| 22:46.37 | NeoTron | as unholy |
| 22:46.47 | NeoTron | I think |
| 22:46.48 | NeoTron | :) |
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| 22:46.52 | Groktar | :D |
| 22:46.57 | NeoTron | I haven't done nef on a DK so I couldn't tel |
| 22:47.04 | KriLL3 | let someone far away get aggro, get healed in peace and quiet while the enemy is running over there, just before it gets to the ranged guy pull him back |
| 22:47.27 | Groktar | it's a loooong cd tho KriLL3 |
| 22:47.30 | KriLL3 | or have 2 DKs playing ping pong with that ability... =P |
| 22:47.35 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 22:47.38 | ByteLock | Does anyone here know where I can find the documentation that was once available on www.wowace.com (That shows examples of commands, structures, functions. etc) ? |
| 22:47.59 | KriLL3 | kinda imba in pvp though right? can pull enemy players away from their support |
| 22:48.01 | NeoTron | 35s cooldown untalented |
| 22:48.10 | Tifi | try old.wowace.com |
| 22:48.11 | digmouse | is there a wowsig generator that supports all regions? |
| 22:48.20 | NeoTron | it really isn't OP due to the cooldown |
| 22:48.36 | KriLL3 | 35s, that's 5s more than charge... |
| 22:48.44 | KriLL3 | ohnoes... |
| 22:48.44 | ByteLock | Great, Thanks. |
| 22:49.20 | KriLL3 | anyone knows what the new pvp items will cost? |
| 22:49.29 | *** join/#wowace Mr_O (n=feadce@cpe-71-65-93-149.woh.res.rr.com) |
| 22:49.29 | KriLL3 | the pre LK ones I mean |
| 22:50.15 | NivFreak | DKs are pretty brutal atm |
| 22:50.20 | NivFreak | caster killers, in plate |
| 22:50.28 | NivFreak | with stuns, snares, pulls |
| 22:50.29 | NivFreak | pets |
| 22:50.30 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 22:50.56 | NeoTron | stuns? wut? |
| 22:51.02 | NeoTron | no stuns |
| 22:51.07 | Dashkal | glyph death grip |
| 22:51.18 | NeoTron | oh but that makes the cooldown even longer |
| 22:51.29 | Dashkal | offset it with the talent |
| 22:51.29 | NeoTron | and it's a 1 second stun |
| 22:51.43 | Dashkal | still yet another interrupt |
| 22:51.45 | NeoTron | 1 second stun on a 45s cooldown |
| 22:51.54 | NeoTron | DG itself is an interrupt |
| 22:51.58 | Groktar | ^ |
| 22:52.06 | Groktar | so i don't see the purpose of a 1s stun |
| 22:52.13 | Dashkal | true, but I'd rather force them to stop casting during my GCD |
| 22:52.22 | Groktar | isn't it off gcd? |
| 22:52.26 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 22:52.27 | Dashkal | *grins* |
| 22:52.29 | NeoTron | I think so |
| 22:52.36 | Dashkal | yes, yes it is, think about it :p |
| 22:52.43 | NeoTron | still I couldn't really call taht stun any useful |
| 22:52.58 | Groktar | useful for activating DR for your partner! |
| 22:52.59 | Dashkal | Basically it makes it so they can no longer hit an instant cast while in the air |
| 22:52.59 | NeoTron | but you have DG, melee spell interrupt and up to 50 yrd huge cooldown silence |
| 23:04.31 | KriLL3 | I want at least one spell interrupt :< |
| 23:04.57 | KriLL3 | blizz nerfed cast disruption |
| 23:05.14 | KriLL3 | now mages will keep spamming frost/fire bolts in melee with me... |
| 23:07.16 | KriLL3 | "SHIT <new line> I FELL IN THE GAP <new line> CAN ANY1 SUMMON ME" |
| 23:07.32 | KriLL3 | level 70 night elf druid - Ironforge |
| 23:07.39 | KriLL3 | y helo thar ebay!? |
| 23:09.44 | *** join/#wowace Movix (n=mattes@82.242.144.196) |
| 23:10.06 | liquidzoo | lol |
| 23:12.18 | Zeksie | mmm. searching for XPerl on curseforge doesn't find it, even those it should be sharing the data with wowace site. :| |
| 23:12.24 | *** join/#wowace zomgbie (n=spooky@CPE00123f740fb9-CM0011e6c3ee25.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 23:13.16 | Gnarfoz | it's X-Perl, isn't it? |
| 23:13.28 | Zeksie | tried both |
| 23:13.35 | Zeksie | won't find either. did yesterday |
| 23:13.43 | Zeksie | wont' find my other one, ZOMGBuffs now either |
| 23:13.48 | Arrowmaster | so search on wowace? |
| 23:14.08 | Zeksie | yes... *I* know how to find it. but i'm thinking of 'other' normal mortals who aren't as bright |
| 23:14.09 | Xinhuan | heh, i just saw the huge number of tickets |
| 23:14.18 | Xinhuan | on curseforge |
| 23:14.21 | Arrowmaster | they search on curse |
| 23:14.28 | Arrowmaster | and get the link from there |
| 23:14.37 | Zeksie | no... that's my point.. it is not finding it |
| 23:14.51 | Zeksie | ooh. curse curse, not curseforge.. mm |
| 23:15.24 | Polarina | http://www.simnet.is/gabrielp/screenshots/world-of-warcraft/classic/release/unknown.jpg -- Where is that screenshot taken? |
| 23:15.30 | Zeksie | so.. another thing. I created a clone of someone's mod, cos it's broken and not updated in long time. But I can't find an svn link for the cloned repository.. |
| 23:15.46 | Xinhuan | zeksie, got to the original project |
| 23:15.48 | Xinhuan | click on repositories |
| 23:15.49 | Gaurong | brd? |
| 23:15.51 | Xinhuan | on the top tab |
| 23:16.00 | Xinhuan | then at the bottom right, you'll see a TINY link to your clone |
| 23:16.08 | Xinhuan | bottom right as in bottom right of the page |
| 23:16.11 | stew_a | screenshotlooks lie blackrock somewhere |
| 23:16.12 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if the guy that tried to create "LibSpell" on wowace with a description of "WIP" is in here |
| 23:16.57 | Gnarfoz | Polarina: looks very much like the UBRS door |
| 23:17.09 | Zeksie | can't find that link.. |
| 23:17.20 | Facktotum | polarina: that the door to ubrs |
| 23:17.29 | Polarina | Gnarfoz: Correct. Was it a easy one? |
| 23:17.30 | Xinhuan | what project did you clone zeksie |
| 23:17.32 | Xinhuan | link it |
| 23:17.34 | ramoz | oh gd |
| 23:17.43 | ramoz | this is gonna break my fubar override thingie |
| 23:17.54 | Zeksie | my clone is here: |
| 23:17.54 | Zeksie | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/black-list-addon/repositories/zeks-branch/ |
| 23:18.00 | Gnarfoz | Polarina: depends? I was quite certain right away |
| 23:18.13 | Facktotum | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/project-2468/ |
| 23:18.23 | Facktotum | Were sorry, youve attempted to access a page that doesnt exist. |
| 23:18.25 | Facktotum | heh |
| 23:18.28 | NeoTron | Divine Plea - You gain 25% of your total mana over 15 sec, but the amount healed by your spells is reduced by 20%. (Down from 100%) <-- that 100% was stupid so that's a good change |
| 23:18.37 | Arrowmaster | page exists for me |
| 23:18.55 | Arrowmaster | Project has an abnormal status: |
| 23:18.55 | Arrowmaster | It is marked as Deleted. |
| 23:18.59 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: it reduced your healing 100%? aka no healing at all? |
| 23:19.01 | Zeksie | I've seen it on my own pages just fine. you get the repositories link at top and it lists how to access, but you don't get that for someone else's project |
| 23:19.21 | Arrowmaster | Zeksie: give an example |
| 23:19.27 | Facktotum | search for perl doesnt give any x-perl link |
| 23:19.28 | Arrowmaster | of someone elses that doesnt show it |
| 23:19.35 | Facktotum | only related x-perl extensions |
| 23:19.39 | Zeksie | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/black-list-addon/ |
| 23:19.59 | Zeksie | it has a box with repos with my branch details: i can go there, but nowhere can i get a link to the svn |
| 23:20.03 | KriLL3 | sounds like a KoS addon |
| 23:20.14 | NeoTron | wow Growl - Now has a 20 yard range. Up from 5. |
| 23:20.22 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: nice |
| 23:20.25 | Arrowmaster | Zeksie: because its not an svn repo |
| 23:20.39 | Arrowmaster | Zeksie: repo type is "None" meaning no repo, just a place to put files |
| 23:20.46 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: the problem with growl is that if they manage to leave your melee range you can chase em forever or stop and charge |
| 23:20.53 | Zeksie | ofc... thanks.. i'm blind and stupid.. please give me money |
| 23:21.01 | Groktar | wow really? |
| 23:21.07 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 23:21.12 | KriLL3 | always fun having an overzealous dps:er run from you with a mob on him |
| 23:21.20 | NeoTron | same for taun |
| 23:21.22 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 23:21.27 | Groktar | not going to matter so much in 3.0 KriLL3 |
| 23:21.32 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: isn't it's range getting increased also? |
| 23:21.36 | Groktar | they're actually fixing tank threat |
| 23:21.43 | NeoTron | yes, that's why I said same for aunt |
| 23:21.54 | Groktar | so it's going to be more like vanilla wow where nobody could catch the prot warrior |
| 23:22.01 | Lanerra | Something weird happened to my hunter this patch |
| 23:22.04 | Arrowmaster | Zeksie: so anymore questions? |
| 23:22.14 | KriLL3 | Groktar: can you fix your warlock/rogue doing "OMG OGM DPS METAR!?!?!" *NUKE NUKE NUKE* from the first second and keeping it up? |
| 23:22.15 | Lanerra | My Cower will always fire, whether it's auto cast is turn off or not |
| 23:22.35 | NeoTron | Kilroo: you obviously haven't played in beta :P |
| 23:22.38 | Zeksie | just te issue with searching :) |
| 23:22.42 | Groktar | bear armor nerfed |
| 23:22.46 | NeoTron | pulling aggro is not fricking easy :P |
| 23:22.52 | Lanerra | Anybody else's hunter getting that, too |
| 23:22.53 | Lanerra | ? |
| 23:23.02 | KriLL3 | Groktar: that's insane imo, we don't have parry/block :< |
| 23:23.10 | KriLL3 | we needed more armor to make up for that |
| 23:23.20 | Groktar | and bears already had it |
| 23:23.22 | NeoTron | l2payattention! |
| 23:23.34 | KriLL3 | yes well we don't have parry/block in LK... |
| 23:23.39 | NeoTron | thing is, druids had the best mitigation in beta in good gear. the armor change balances it |
| 23:23.48 | Groktar | yes, so your dodge goes up faster |
| 23:23.55 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: errm, you sure? don't we just have more hp? |
| 23:23.58 | Facktotum | druis were op in beta even with crap gear |
| 23:23.59 | NeoTron | I am sure |
| 23:24.02 | Facktotum | druids* |
| 23:24.06 | KriLL3 | Groktar: blizz nerfed agi->dodge |
| 23:24.16 | NeoTron | best threat, best mitigation and best hp |
| 23:24.19 | Groktar | they did the same to everyone KriLL3 |
| 23:24.22 | NeoTron | basically "best" for the most part |
| 23:24.30 | KriLL3 | Groktar: did they nerf parry and block also? |
| 23:24.37 | Groktar | yes |
| 23:24.45 | Groktar | don't you remember DR on ratings? |
| 23:24.54 | NeoTron | you need to keep up with the beta forums |
| 23:25.09 | KriLL3 | I'm on the EU forms, no blue posts there =P |
| 23:25.29 | KriLL3 | I can log in on the US forums but can't post |
| 23:25.30 | Groktar | like, 40% avoidance is 40% avoidance. doesn't matter whether it's all dodge or a mix of dodge and parry |
| 23:25.49 | NeoTron | blue.mmo-champion.com |
| 23:25.52 | KriLL3 | is the rage gain of 3 rage per dodge the same as parry/block? |
| 23:26.18 | Groktar | warriors get 2 rage on block, don't think they get any on dodge/parry |
| 23:26.23 | Groktar | unless they added it back in at some point |
| 23:26.25 | NeoTron | remember too the lack of crushing blows and crit immunity from talents |
| 23:26.33 | Groktar | ya |
| 23:26.45 | NeoTron | trust me, druids aren't suffering :P |
| 23:26.56 | KriLL3 | wait it's 2 for druid dodge |
| 23:27.06 | NeoTron | the main issue is that items with +armor will be basically mandatory for druids as they are design |
| 23:27.22 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: and non shared weaps :< |
| 23:27.26 | Groktar | but what if they don't exist NeoTron? |
| 23:27.30 | NeoTron | but they do |
| 23:27.42 | Groktar | i know they do at 70 |
| 23:27.49 | Groktar | but i thought they weren't going to do it at 80? |
| 23:27.54 | NeoTron | basically it'd probably have been better not to nerf druid's armor conversion but items with (extra)armor on them in general |
| 23:27.56 | KriLL3 | can you tank 70-75 northrend instances in S4 you think? |
| 23:28.10 | Groktar | yes |
| 23:28.12 | Groktar | easily |
| 23:28.12 | NeoTron | KriLL3: you can tank 70-80 instances with dps spec and quest greens |
| 23:28.13 | Lanerra | Is there a way to brow the entirety of the repository of WoWAce addons now, rather than just one at a time? (If using, say, RapidSVN). Or is it that there is no root repo anymore, every addon has it's own repository? |
| 23:28.18 | Groktar | ^ |
| 23:28.19 | KriLL3 | kk :) |
| 23:28.25 | NeoTron | Lanerra: there's no shared root, correct |
| 23:28.33 | Lanerra | Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo! |
| 23:28.43 | NeoTron | leveling instances are really easy and tuned that way intentionally |
| 23:28.43 | Lanerra | Alright, thanks |
| 23:28.51 | Xinhuan | how does a thread's tags get set |
| 23:29.08 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: still, need to know tacts, but I guess more are tank & spank |
| 23:29.14 | KriLL3 | *most |
| 23:29.15 | Zeksie | Just tidying up my new player ratings mod. didn't like the 1 alternative i found on curse, so did a new one. |
| 23:29.18 | Lanerra | I miss being able to just sort of leisurely browse the root repo and see what's changed, etc. |
| 23:29.21 | Groktar | NeoTron: remember trying to uldaman at level |
| 23:29.30 | KriLL3 | Zeksie: player rating? |
| 23:29.39 | Groktar | last boss was insane |
| 23:29.41 | Lanerra | Zeksie: Aren't Curse making their own for use with our profiles? |
| 23:30.01 | KriLL3 | does curse profiles work? |
| 23:30.12 | Lanerra | Not just yet |
| 23:30.12 | NeoTron | the main issue was that the level range in the place was huge |
| 23:30.20 | Zeksie | yeah, you can set a 1-5 rating for skill and player. share data with guild etc. and you get a lil meter next to names in guild list, friends list, who list, chat too if you want. |
| 23:30.28 | Lanerra | I was inquiring about whether they were going to actually use some kind of player rating in them |
| 23:30.36 | KriLL3 | most profile pages I've seen is always 1-2 content patches behind in gear & enchants and breaks when seeing your items |
| 23:30.47 | NeoTron | Zeksie: oh oh I remember an issue that bugs the crap out of me |
| 23:30.59 | Zeksie | go on.. |
| 23:31.01 | KriLL3 | Zeksie: some kind of extended buddy list? |
| 23:31.02 | NeoTron | my player frame on beta keeps moving down a few pixels |
| 23:31.17 | NeoTron | it almost seems like the anchor changes if you log in or reload the ui with buffs on but I dunno |
| 23:31.25 | NeoTron | all I know is that it moves downwards all the time |
| 23:31.28 | KriLL3 | and that's annoying? |
| 23:31.30 | Zeksie | no KriLL3. just a rating. so you can decide if you wanna group with ppl i guess ;) |
| 23:31.31 | KriLL3 | oh |
| 23:31.45 | KriLL3 | Zeksie: I just add idiots to my "never party with again" list |
| 23:32.10 | Zeksie | yeah KriLL3: that's more for that blacklist mod i just un-tainted. |
| 23:32.14 | Groktar | damnit |
| 23:32.28 | Groktar | i wanted to see how much armor my guild's feral has |
| 23:32.33 | Zeksie | NeoTron: Leothar mentioned the same thing. and he keeps on at me about it, but it never goes wrong for me. and I'm really at a loss.. I've NEVER seen the player frame move EVER. |
| 23:32.37 | Groktar | and he logged out in this: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Daggerspine&n=Glorfindel |
| 23:32.41 | KriLL3 | had a priest leave in the middle of killing the big swamp guys on the sides in HC steamvaults, when I wispered why: "tank is stupid, getting almost killed by one mob"... that's what those guys hit for... |
| 23:33.00 | Zeksie | it's really hard to fix things that don't go wrong ;) |
| 23:33.05 | Xinhuan | Zeksie: maybe you can ask neotron to send you his savedvar files |
| 23:33.12 | Xinhuan | the xperl ones that is, and you load his optins |
| 23:33.15 | Xinhuan | options |
| 23:33.23 | KriLL3 | Groktar: healing gear? :) |
| 23:33.26 | Groktar | ya |
| 23:33.28 | Zeksie | i've tried that with Leo's. worked fine. but you're welcome to send them anyway |
| 23:33.28 | Groktar | bastard |
| 23:33.34 | NeoTron | it used to be a lot worse, like it moved all over the place (always and only the player frame) |
| 23:33.40 | digmouse | is spell penatration functional in PVE or PVP or both? |
| 23:33.45 | Gaurong | both |
| 23:33.49 | digmouse | k |
| 23:33.57 | NeoTron | I can try to debug it some, print out anchors and stuff |
| 23:34.01 | Gaurong | but normal bosses resistance is removed by coe |
| 23:34.12 | Gaurong | so pointless in pve most of the time |
| 23:34.15 | NeoTron | loading the saved frame positions of another class makes it work |
| 23:34.21 | KriLL3 | I got S4 feral gear with agi/stam ench/gems and [Shattered Sun Pendant of Resolve] [Earthwarden] [Ring of Unyielding Force] [Slikk's Cloak of Placation] 17574 hp 23385 armor unbuffed |
| 23:34.55 | KriLL3 | S2 shoulders and chest I might add, chest is the next part I'll get, wanted helm first because it's more visible |
| 23:35.16 | Zeksie | NeoTron: The only thing that it's going to be is the anchor switch it does, cos I have to anchor to TOPLEFT, regardless of where wow wants to anchor it cos the frame size changes for druids. So it'll be line 1008/1009.. If you have any tweaking experience ;) |
| 23:37.00 | Xinhuan | i'll bet its related to the scale |
| 23:37.13 | Zeksie | might well be |
| 23:37.23 | NeoTron | ooh wait |
| 23:37.25 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 23:37.27 | Zeksie | but it should be converting that. and works at my (approx) 0.64 scale |
| 23:37.33 | NeoTron | could it be because I run a rune addon that disables the rune frame? |
| 23:37.38 | Zeksie | and various others i've tried |
| 23:37.48 | NeoTron | it hides the frame x-perl uses |
| 23:37.54 | Xinhuan | well is it only with your deathknight? |
| 23:38.04 | NeoTron | 99% of the time I play my DK so I couldn't tell |
| 23:38.09 | NeoTron | since I really doesn't play anything else :P |
| 23:38.10 | Zeksie | doubt that neo. i've put in some checks that that makes sure the rune frame is 'as intended' before futzing with it |
| 23:38.36 | NeoTron | I'd argue that you should implement your own rune frame and just hide the stock one :P |
| 23:38.59 | NeoTron | but that's a different issue. I had major issues with the x-perl runes not updating / showing cooldowns correctly |
| 23:39.05 | Zeksie | i did think of that. but when I implemented it (and I was right to think this way as it turned out), I Knew the API would undergo a LOT of changes.. |
| 23:39.32 | Zeksie | yes, cos they changed the runes a lot 2 or 3 patches ago, but that should be fixed now |
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| 23:40.14 | NeoTron | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10194-X-PerlUnitFrames.html <-- newer than that version, because that one still doesn't work right |
| 23:40.16 | KriLL3 | what did they change? |
| 23:40.34 | Zeksie | added a shine thing and moved one of the textures from a layer to a frame i thin |
| 23:40.52 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: can you make x-perl look alright or does it always look like a set of randomly sized boxes in a fluster<censored> ? |
| 23:41.05 | KriLL3 | *cluster |
| 23:41.27 | KriLL3 | I personally use PB3, a bit of a hassle to setup but really slick :> |
| 23:41.39 | Zeksie | NeoTron: you mean on the runes won't work right? cos I tried last nite and it looked ok. |
| 23:41.43 | NeoTron | I quite like the way it looks |
| 23:41.55 | NeoTron | Zeksie: last I tried, they didn't seem to show cooldown state etc yes |
| 23:42.06 | NeoTron | did you try with death runes? |
| 23:42.13 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: just seems to have too many shapes, I don't need a square around each and every icon/text and each element in it's own square |
| 23:42.17 | Zeksie | i did not specifically try death runes no |
| 23:42.42 | NeoTron | that might be it |
| 23:42.46 | Zeksie | KriLL3: that's just how 'Perl' looks. I took over perl, and I'm not about to make it look like something else ;) |
| 23:43.04 | KriLL3 | Zeksie: I understand that, but users can't change the look either? |
| 23:43.21 | Zeksie | sure they can. they can have black frames or coloured ones! |
| 23:43.25 | KriLL3 | It's a very visually messy setup imo |
| 23:43.32 | KriLL3 | ... yay |
| 23:43.43 | Zeksie | that's a matter of opinion. a lot of ppl say the oposite. it's all personal taste |
| 23:43.46 | KriLL3 | PB is a lot cleaner looking imo :> |
| 23:43.50 | NeoTron | they fixed Heart Strike. yay |
| 23:44.16 | KriLL3 | each player/mob's info is contained in or around a single square with no filler bg |
| 23:44.37 | Zeksie | I have been thinking of some new UF tho. but it would have to be something special to be worth doing |
| 23:45.18 | Xinhuan | new code > old code, that makes it special :) |
| 23:45.20 | KriLL3 | I tried some new layouts and stuff but I'm way too used to having the player frame top left, the target right of that and my bars down in the middle |
| 23:45.34 | NeoTron | KriLL3: if you want more custimization use a different one |
| 23:45.39 | Zeksie | well.. there's a lot of new code in x-perl.. not a lot left of the original :) |
| 23:45.43 | NeoTron | X-Perl works out of the box without hours of customization |
| 23:45.44 | KriLL3 | I tried that coolguy layout of having player and target down where the default casterbar is, never managed to teach my eyes to go there |
| 23:45.56 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: I use PB :> |
| 23:46.09 | NeoTron | I never understand people complaining at addon X not being like addon Y |
| 23:46.18 | NeoTron | I mean ... that's the point of there being two addons right? :P |
| 23:46.24 | Zeksie | exactly. |
| 23:46.30 | Zeksie | just pick one. use it, and shaddap :) |
| 23:46.38 | NeoTron | personally I hate the default pitbull look and don't have the time or will to customize it to my liking |
| 23:46.59 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: I was just curious if all perl users were odd or if it was hard to config |
| 23:47.24 | Xinhuan | a number of my guildies switched from xperl to pitbull only becauseof one reason |
| 23:47.35 | Xinhuan | libhealcomm was the reason |
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| 23:47.51 | Xinhuan | or rather, incominghealslib |
| 23:48.00 | KriLL3 | that thing that shows how much heal your gonna get? |
| 23:48.04 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 23:48.15 | Zeksie | was gonna say, cos xperl uses libhealcomm now. but not ihl. |
| 23:48.26 | Zeksie | but. i beleive there's an extension for xperl that DOES show that |
| 23:48.45 | Stanzilla | incominghealthingy is dead |
| 23:48.50 | KriLL3 | http://krill3.com/screenshots/WoWScrnShot_100408_014739.jpg <-- my UI, quite classical |
| 23:48.53 | Stanzilla | libhealcomm is the official successor |
| 23:48.59 | KriLL3 | Stanzilla: broken in LK? |
| 23:49.14 | Stanzilla | nah not because of that |
| 23:49.26 | Stanzilla | all the heal*something authors agreed on that |
| 23:49.41 | Stanzilla | it's somewhere on the wowace forums if you want to read it^^ |
| 23:49.45 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 23:50.03 | KriLL3 | someone figured it was a bad idea to develop 2 wheels at the same time? =P |
| 23:50.33 | NeoTron | KriLL3: see I thinkl your unit frames are horribly uggly |
| 23:50.39 | NeoTron | and I can't spell either |
| 23:50.49 | NeoTron | for one they are excessively big |
| 23:51.00 | KriLL3 | I like em big for visibility |
| 23:51.05 | Stanzilla | KriLL3: yes |
| 23:51.08 | KriLL3 | I don't need to look at them to see my hp |
| 23:51.21 | Facktotum | randomly placed left top corner |
| 23:51.58 | Facktotum | why two different background colours on the chat/combat frames |
| 23:51.59 | NeoTron | you have timed buff bars for your target? |
| 23:52.10 | Facktotum | that red looks fugly |
| 23:52.18 | KriLL3 | Facktotum: I've always colored my frames the same color as the contents |
| 23:52.27 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: quartz, and yes |
| 23:52.32 | KriLL3 | buff/debuff |
| 23:52.42 | NeoTron | that must be horrible in a raid |
| 23:52.43 | KriLL3 | only when I got a target though |
| 23:52.48 | KriLL3 | I don't raid |
| 23:52.56 | KriLL3 | and I can remove em if I so wish |
| 23:52.58 | Xinhuan | u do "raid" when you're in AV |
| 23:53.11 | KriLL3 | well I don't target players in AV that often |
| 23:53.20 | KriLL3 | most don't append a "please" to "heal" =P |
| 23:54.20 | Fogger | Anyone got an educated guess as to how long the EU beta realm will be down for? |
| 23:54.22 | Facktotum | what resolution do you play on? |
| 23:54.31 | Facktotum | 5-6hrs normally |
| 23:54.41 | Facktotum | it will be up around 10-11am |
| 23:54.46 | KriLL3 | Facktotum: resolution? |
| 23:54.57 | KriLL3 | me? |
| 23:55.00 | Facktotum | yeah in-game |
| 23:55.08 | Fogger | 10-11 in what time zone? |
| 23:55.37 | KriLL3 | Facktotum: 1680x1050, my monitor's native resolution |
| 23:55.52 | KriLL3 | why? |
| 23:55.56 | Facktotum | We will be taking down the Beta realms at 3:00PM |
| 23:55.56 | Adys | for the ones interested, i hear amazon uk just got CE preorders up |
| 23:56.06 | KriLL3 | rightclick the SS, select properties and you'll see the res |
| 23:56.06 | Facktotum | currently its 16:55 pacific time |
| 23:56.25 | Fogger | Facktotum: thanks |
| 23:56.51 | Facktotum | so add 5-7hrs to 3pm and its around 10pm pacific |
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| 23:57.09 | hyperChipmunk | good lord O_o |
| 23:57.13 | Facktotum | around 5-6am in europe |
| 23:57.23 | hyperChipmunk | dats a lotta folks |
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| 23:57.44 | hyperChipmunk | srsly |
| 23:58.12 | Xinhuan | there's usually more |
| 23:58.29 | Arrowmaster | amazon.com still has it as sold out |
| 23:58.44 | Arrowmaster | i still need a copy =( |
| 23:58.47 | Arrowmaster | fucking Ike |
| 23:58.51 | KriLL3 | Arrowmaster: of what? |
| 23:58.58 | stew_a | efficiency question: is using .. the most efficient way to concatenate 2 strings? |
| 23:58.58 | Arrowmaster | wotlk CE preorder |
| 23:59.05 | Xinhuan | and singapore has not received any distribution details yet from Blizzard, i.e we don't know who the asia distributor of wotlk is yet |
| 23:59.29 | KriLL3 | Arrowmaster: ah |
| 23:59.42 | KriLL3 | I pre-ordered it at gamestop months ago =P |
| 23:59.45 | Arrowmaster | stew_a: only two? |
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| 23:59.56 | stew_a | yes |
| 23:59.59 | KriLL3 | I'll camp the store, they have a midnight opening for it, same as wow and TBC |
