| 00:00.09 | KriLL3 | the fake russian is annoying though |
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| 00:00.27 | Hjalte | I'm surprised they have Jonathan Pryce in a videogame :) |
| 00:00.48 | KriLL3 | Peter Stormare has a horrible fake russian accent, odd that he get's to use it as often as he do |
| 00:01.10 | KriLL3 | Hjalte: $$$ |
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| 00:01.28 | Zyndrome | he's just getting old ;< |
| 00:02.03 | Zyndrome | was better in 'Hamilton' |
| 00:02.12 | KriLL3 | is there a way to stop wow asking about reloading default settings? |
| 00:02.23 | Zyndrome | neg |
| 00:02.31 | NeoTron | KriLL3: it's not "done" yet by far |
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| 00:02.35 | KriLL3 | he didn't speak russian in Hamilton that I know |
| 00:02.37 | NeoTron | like there's quest content missing for example |
| 00:02.48 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: well nearly done |
| 00:03.25 | KriLL3 | and a lot of the endgame content can be added a couple of weeks after release np |
| 00:05.51 | Primer | Haha George Takei saying "All your base are belong to us"! CLASSIC! |
| 00:06.18 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 00:06.50 | KriLL3 | something that 4chan/ytmnd said by someone with a voice with that much authority and poise... |
| 00:08.08 | Funkeh` | I like how blizz merged all the options into one then reverted it |
| 00:08.16 | Funkeh` | they are good at making u their minds |
| 00:08.33 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 00:08.46 | Funkeh` | in beta |
| 00:08.56 | Zyndrome | yeah when I saw that, I thought my files had gotten all wonky, when being used to seeing all settings there |
| 00:08.58 | KriLL3 | isn't it still seperate but with the option of one? |
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| 00:09.14 | Funkeh` | I'm talking addons |
| 00:09.21 | Funkeh` | they merged it all into "basicoptions" |
| 00:09.24 | Funkeh` | then reverted it |
| 00:09.33 | KriLL3 | I don't understand |
| 00:09.38 | Funkeh` | nevermind then |
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| 00:11.21 | Funkeh` | UnitSelectionColor(unit) handy |
| 00:11.55 | Stanzilla | class colors? |
| 00:12.03 | Zyndrome | http://www.prepareforthefuture.com/ |
| 00:12.09 | Zyndrome | heh, takes eons to load tho |
| 00:12.29 | Funkeh` | no, reaction colors |
| 00:12.36 | Camci | ahahahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HaBiEtcAto |
| 00:12.54 | Arrowmaster | yay i got 3476g in the mail! |
| 00:13.10 | Funkeh` | buying gold is bad |
| 00:13.32 | Arrowmaster | my share of old guildbank |
| 00:13.53 | Funkeh` | that's what they all say |
| 00:14.12 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: guild broke up? |
| 00:14.22 | Arrowmaster | yeah while ago |
| 00:14.42 | NeoTron | what killed it? M'uru or KJ? :P |
| 00:14.44 | nocts|work | LOL - http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=945075&topic=44668159 |
| 00:14.55 | nocts|work | It's not the post, it's the fact that his girlfriend ends up being .... |
| 00:14.56 | nocts|work | Read. |
| 00:15.46 | Camci | gay`? |
| 00:15.52 | Funkeh` | shhhh |
| 00:15.55 | Funkeh` | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.03 | nocts|work | His sister. |
| 00:16.07 | Funkeh` | aka still reading |
| 00:16.12 | Funkeh` | fucking decryter |
| 00:16.28 | Camci | rofl |
| 00:16.33 | Camci | rofl |
| 00:16.35 | Camci | hahaha |
| 00:16.54 | Funkeh` | hahaha |
| 00:17.24 | nocts|work | And then he tries and plays it off as "But that doesn't affect you guys, just stay on topic" |
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| 00:17.26 | Stanzilla | lol |
| 00:17.27 | synteur | isn't that an obvious troll? |
| 00:17.34 | synteur | like, his name has troll in it :x? |
| 00:17.38 | nocts|work | synteur: Take your killjoy and gtfo. |
| 00:17.43 | Stanzilla | Funkeh`: do you want to be my "sister"? |
| 00:17.44 | synteur | :/ |
| 00:17.53 | Funkeh` | Stanzilla, I'm already your sister |
| 00:17.58 | Stanzilla | ;D |
| 00:18.01 | nocts|work | licks his sister |
| 00:18.07 | nocts|work | wipes it off Stanzilla |
| 00:18.10 | Funkeh` | Hope your making room for when I come to visit you |
| 00:18.14 | Funkeh` | you're |
| 00:18.26 | Stanzilla | yeah no problem, enough room here |
| 00:18.36 | Stanzilla | nocts|work can sleep in the closet |
| 00:18.43 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 00:18.44 | nocts|work | Stanzilla: I built your waterbed, I'm sleeping in your waterbed. |
| 00:18.52 | WobWork | my god |
| 00:18.52 | Stanzilla | nevarrr! |
| 00:18.54 | nocts|work | Funkeh` can stay in the middle, but I'm having some of the waterbed. |
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| 00:18.59 | WobWork | how much did EA pay for that trailer? |
| 00:19.03 | nocts|work | lol |
| 00:19.28 | Funkeh` | what trailer |
| 00:19.32 | nocts|work | ^ old |
| 00:19.48 | Funkeh` | if it's something to do with spore, fuck off |
| 00:19.54 | Camci | 50 pages, jeez |
| 00:19.57 | WobWork | http://www.gametrailers.com/player/40181.html |
| 00:20.04 | WobWork | Red Alert 3 |
| 00:20.16 | Stanzilla | I'm in the red alert 3 beta |
| 00:20.22 | Stanzilla | and I havent been able to play |
| 00:20.25 | Stanzilla | since it was released |
| 00:20.32 | WobWork | Is it full of Tim Curry and George Takei? |
| 00:20.33 | Stanzilla | because of a stupid login error |
| 00:21.18 | Fisker- | hates teh trailer |
| 00:22.14 | Stanzilla | All your base are....belong to us! |
| 00:22.39 | Camci | I dont like that WoW is getting motorcycles and all that shit... |
| 00:22.45 | Fisker- | hasn't heard that one before Stanzilla |
| 00:22.47 | Camci | Thats so not world of warcraft... |
| 00:23.08 | nocts|work | ^ |
| 00:23.30 | Camci | Whats next? machine guns and shit? |
| 00:23.38 | nocts|work | ^ see Hunter? |
| 00:23.44 | Fisker- | One would think EA just discovered the internet last week with that trailer |
| 00:23.47 | NeoTron | Camci: yes, the airplanes I fly in Howling Fjord had machine gunes |
| 00:23.52 | Fisker- | "omg roflol all your base are belong to us ftw kekeke" |
| 00:23.55 | Stanzilla | WobWork: lol it's awesome |
| 00:23.56 | NeoTron | and mob seeking cluster rockets |
| 00:24.08 | Camci | NeoTron: ow yea true... again, NOT so warcraft... |
| 00:24.14 | selckin | gnome engineers worked hard on that |
| 00:24.14 | NeoTron | wrong |
| 00:24.16 | Dashkal | O.o |
| 00:24.25 | Dashkal | Warcraft has been steampunk for a damn long time... |
| 00:24.25 | NeoTron | not pure fantasy but very much warcraft |
| 00:24.29 | nocts|work | They were in WCIII |
| 00:24.38 | WobWork | Camci: Wait til they get a THUNDERDOME |
| 00:24.48 | NeoTron | theer are airplanes and tanks all over wow, just not usable |
| 00:24.53 | Camci | I dont even wanna know what that is |
| 00:25.01 | NeoTron | Camci: just have to go beyond it |
| 00:25.05 | WobWork | With Fel Gibson and Tina Tundra |
| 00:25.06 | Funkeh` | looks pretty awesome tbh lol |
| 00:25.21 | Dashkal | Camci: I'm using the term to refer to a setting based nominally back in time (it usually refers to victorian but can be applies to medieval) where advanced technology does exist |
| 00:25.45 | Camci | Its just so much different from the WoW before WotLK |
| 00:25.45 | Dashkal | The gyrocopter dates back at least to warcraft 2 |
| 00:25.47 | WobWork | generally steam powered |
| 00:25.53 | Camci | sure its an expansion and shit |
| 00:26.04 | Camci | but, wtf motorcycles |
| 00:26.07 | Dashkal | Camci: see my above comment |
| 00:26.11 | Camci | I see |
| 00:26.17 | Dashkal | If they can make a gyrocopter, they can make a bike |
| 00:26.31 | Camci | I guess ^^ |
| 00:26.35 | Camci | Doesnt have to mean that i like it |
| 00:26.44 | Camci | One thing i like however is the lore changes |
| 00:26.46 | WobWork | Although Camci does have a point |
| 00:26.49 | Camci | specially the Sylvanas' Betrayal |
| 00:26.58 | Dashkal | Fair enough, but it's definitely fitting in that universe. Warcraft isn't high fantasy. |
| 00:27.01 | WobWork | the motorcycle is a lot more 'modern' than the gyrocopter |
| 00:27.04 | Camci | FINALLY something is happening to the faction leaders |
| 00:27.11 | WobWork | cause we -have- those |
| 00:27.27 | Dashkal | I'm waiting on a build before I go do that line. Want all the movies to work (and I'm alliance so I'd rather dodge the bugs) |
| 00:28.08 | Dashkal | WobWork: have a look at most of engineering pre-200 |
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| 00:28.58 | NeoTron | Camci: robot chicken |
| 00:29.07 | NeoTron | Camci: flying gyrocopters |
| 00:29.15 | NeoTron | how is a motorcycle.. odder? |
| 00:29.21 | WobWork | Dashkal: The copter is believable, because it looks like it'll fall out of the sky at any moment |
| 00:29.29 | WobWork | and thus -very- gnomish |
| 00:29.39 | WobWork | (or explode, vis a vis goblinish) |
| 00:29.44 | Camci | motorcycle looks way too "perfect" |
| 00:29.49 | WobWork | nods |
| 00:29.52 | Dashkal | The point I was making is that there is quite a bit of overlap between warcraft technology and modern technology. |
| 00:29.55 | WobWork | that |
| 00:30.00 | WobWork | That's fine |
| 00:30.08 | WobWork | but make it believable in the scope of WoW |
| 00:30.14 | Camci | So whats next? more modern techonlogy= |
| 00:30.23 | Camci | what will happen with warcraft tech? |
| 00:30.24 | [dRaCo] | internet in WoW! |
| 00:30.32 | WobWork | If the cycle happened to explode every X random miles |
| 00:30.32 | WobWork | and you had to rebuild it |
| 00:30.34 | WobWork | I could accept that =P |
| 00:30.36 | Dashkal | Put a detailed suggestion in the art forums? (seriously) ask for it to look more like it's gonna go boom. |
| 00:30.49 | Camci | ^ WobWork XD |
| 00:31.08 | Dashkal | If anything that expensive would explode on me as I was using it it wouldn't get used, wasting the effort they made to create it. |
| 00:31.31 | WobWork | Dashkal: well, if you had to run maintenence on it, perhaps to -prevent- it from exploding, then |
| 00:31.44 | WobWork | You're an engineer |
| 00:31.50 | WobWork | You should -like- that =P |
| 00:32.00 | Dashkal | much as I love lore and a coherent universe there's one thing that's so far more important lore is irelevant: gameplay |
| 00:32.11 | WobWork | Dashkal: Then fine. Lets teleport everywhere |
| 00:32.18 | WobWork | Makes gameplay much smoother |
| 00:32.28 | Dashkal | looks at his druid's teleporters, her hearthstone, and her tele moonglade |
| 00:32.38 | WobWork | No no point to point accurate teleportation |
| 00:32.40 | Camci | obviously gameplay is important, but WoW is built up by the lore, atleast most of it. |
| 00:32.46 | Dashkal | Poor gameplay mechanic |
| 00:32.53 | WobWork | GAMEPLAY |
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| 00:33.11 | Camci | Maybe enginners will be able to make teleports anywhere :P |
| 00:33.11 | Dashkal | I said gameplay, not super easy mode. |
| 00:33.17 | Camci | and hell wtf is with this flying carpets? |
| 00:33.24 | Camci | Is that so WoW ? |
| 00:33.26 | WobWork | Gameplay, Camci |
| 00:33.30 | Camci | pff |
| 00:33.37 | WobWork | It's the answer to everything =P |
| 00:33.55 | Dashkal | O.o You have trouble believing that a carpet can be enchanted with levitation in the framework of warcraft's magic system? |
| 00:34.45 | Camci | possible, i guess |
| 00:34.51 | Camci | still :p |
| 00:35.00 | Dashkal | and WobWork, that's uncalled for. Making a mount fail on you and requiring constant upkeep is a far cry different than just spamming 'gameplay' to everything |
| 00:35.41 | Camci | Aslong they dont ruing the Warcraft atmoshphere from the game then im good... |
| 00:35.55 | Camci | ruin* |
| 00:35.58 | WobWork | Dashkal: like you were? =) |
| 00:36.33 | Dashkal | takes one look at the 'I know you are but what am I?' argument and gets back to work. |
| 00:36.38 | WobWork | no. |
| 00:36.42 | WobWork | I was saying they need upkeep |
| 00:36.47 | WobWork | You were spamming 'gameplay' |
| 00:36.49 | Stanzilla | I can't stop watching that trailer |
| 00:36.50 | Stanzilla | thx wobin |
| 00:36.56 | WobWork | no worries Stanzilla =P |
| 00:37.01 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
| 00:37.04 | Camci | what trailer? :p |
| 00:37.14 | Stanzilla | http://www.gametrailers.com/player/40181.html?type=flv |
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| 00:37.24 | Camci | lets see |
| 00:37.49 | Camci | I dont get it? |
| 00:37.53 | Camci | :P |
| 00:38.06 | WobWork | I can't see the problem with engineering mounts needing upkeep. Say, you could see the durability of the item as when it will explode |
| 00:38.16 | WobWork | You have no excuse to -not- maintain the machine |
| 00:38.38 | WobWork | It could even be nice and RP, you whip out the machine, then slide under it and make clanking noise |
| 00:39.00 | WobWork | but there should be -something- that reflects how gnomish or goblinish that engineering is |
| 00:39.16 | WobWork | and the main factor of all those things that is prevalent throughout the whole game is that they all break down |
| 00:39.20 | WobWork | or go wrong |
| 00:39.29 | WobWork | You're an engineer you should expect that |
| 00:39.34 | Camci | yea cuz the current state of the cycle looks so modern its just sad |
| 00:39.47 | WobWork | if you were lazy and couldn't be bothered, you wouldn't have taken the effort to grind engineering up |
| 00:39.49 | Dashkal | WobWork: That would make the mount inherently worse than any other mount. |
| 00:39.54 | WobWork | and you can just damn well use a normal mount |
| 00:40.00 | WobWork | And? |
| 00:40.04 | WobWork | What's wrong with that? |
| 00:40.06 | Dashkal | Yeah, done with this. |
| 00:40.10 | WobWork | You're playing with a status symbol! |
| 00:40.14 | Dashkal | goodnight |
| 00:40.18 | Camci | night |
| 00:40.22 | WobWork | rolls his eyes |
| 00:40.31 | WobWork | Clearly never was a -real- engineer |
| 00:40.40 | Camci | i tried it :p |
| 00:40.45 | Camci | like 250 or go |
| 00:40.47 | Camci | got bored, rerolled |
| 00:40.49 | Camci | ^^ |
| 00:40.52 | WobWork | And it took work, didn't it? |
| 00:41.03 | Camci | ofc like very other profession |
| 00:41.05 | WobWork | That's what all the max level engineers are proud of |
| 00:41.21 | WobWork | it took a lot of work to get to the point where they can make the machines |
| 00:41.33 | WobWork | and, to some degree, they're -all- roleplayers |
| 00:41.39 | Dashkal | ? |
| 00:41.46 | Dashkal | I'm 375, have the gyrocopter, don't use it |
| 00:41.46 | WobWork | someone who didn't care for roleplay wouldn't bother with the mechanical mounts |
| 00:41.58 | Dashkal | I'm a druid. instant cast > all others |
| 00:42.01 | WobWork | you just proved my point |
| 00:42.08 | WobWork | You're not a real engineer |
| 00:42.09 | Camci | it maybe shouldnt just break down and they had to rebuild the shit, but it could had been like the copter. it just stops all of a sudden for a few secs then starts again, and not look so modern. |
| 00:42.21 | WobWork | You don't care about the coptor because it's got nothing over other mounts |
| 00:42.31 | WobWork | The whole point of the coptor is that it -looks cool- |
| 00:42.32 | Dashkal | WobWork: It has nothing over DRUID FLIGHT FORM |
| 00:42.40 | WobWork | Dashkal: I totally agree |
| 00:42.40 | Dashkal | that is a very specific, and very special case |
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| 00:42.55 | WobWork | but really, it is no different in usage from any other flying mount of the same speed |
| 00:43.02 | Dashkal | But saying I'm not a 'Real Engineer' is just stupid |
| 00:43.12 | Dashkal | um, instant cast? |
| 00:43.17 | WobWork | Not in the way that Blizzard envisualised it originally |
| 00:43.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Y'know, I should be all predictable and shout "it's just a GAME!". But I would never do that. |
| 00:43.20 | Dashkal | You really don't understand why that's so important? |
| 00:43.34 | WobWork | Of course I do |
| 00:43.41 | WobWork | Do you think I'm stupid? |
| 00:43.45 | WobWork | I'm talking about ROLEPLAY |
| 00:43.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Hey now |
| 00:44.01 | Dashkal | Savirine. Level 70 druid, Maelstrom-US (RP-PvP) |
| 00:44.07 | Dashkal | Savrine* |
| 00:44.27 | Dashkal | Backstory long enough I could write a book on it. |
| 00:44.28 | Camci | about the roleplay part. they should imo focus more on it :P |
| 00:44.32 | Kirkburn|afk | By the way, techno stuff is very much a part of the world of Warcraft |
| 00:44.41 | Camci | like, gief housekeeping alrdy |
| 00:44.42 | Kirkburn|afk | There is a specific class called a techno mage |
| 00:44.46 | WobWork | Kirkburn|afk: but it's still steampunk |
| 00:44.47 | Camci | i want my own house ! |
| 00:44.57 | Kirkburn|afk | WobWork, indeed |
| 00:45.03 | WobWork | And -that- is the point |
| 00:45.16 | Kirkburn|afk | However, methinks much of Storm Peaks will make people realise just how steampunk it is :P |
| 00:45.25 | Dashkal | Kirkburn|afk: They're taking exception to the fact that the bike isn't steampunk enough. |
| 00:45.33 | WobWork | yes! |
| 00:45.43 | Camci | what i ben saying for an hour |
| 00:45.47 | WobWork | make it rougher looking! |
| 00:45.55 | WobWork | have it expel steam through random leaks! |
| 00:45.56 | Camci | it looks way too fucking modern to be in WoW, atlesat for now. when its so new. |
| 00:45.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Sorry, I wasn't trying to choose sides - I was just inputting some stuff I know from the RPG :P |
| 00:46.18 | Dashkal | Kirkburn|afk: want technomage :p |
| 00:46.22 | Corveroth | hey guys theres some new content and it doesn't match the old content's flavor exactly what do i do? |
| 00:46.26 | Dashkal | I'd be on that instantly |
| 00:46.32 | Kirkburn|afk | :) |
| 00:46.49 | Kirkburn|afk | I had my bets on spell breaker for this expansion |
| 00:47.05 | Kirkburn|afk | (since we were looking for a melee caster, the one missing class) |
| 00:47.25 | Dashkal | hmm, my RPG knowledge is lacking. No idea what that one does |
| 00:47.41 | Dashkal | Mind you, I don't like role playing with a human GM. Too much back and forth, want game faster :p |
| 00:48.17 | Kirkburn|afk | spell breaker is a blood elf class, the guards are spell breakers - anti-magic |
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| 00:49.00 | Dashkal | Actually, that sounds very similar to the DK in terms of power sets... (ignoring lore entirely of course) |
| 00:49.41 | Kirkburn|afk | I have no idea what they could go for next expansion, we have all combinations of melee/ranged and caster/tank/healer/dps |
| 00:50.06 | Aeyan | Runemaster, woo |
| 00:50.19 | Aeyan | That won't happen =P |
| 00:50.24 | Primer | btw, what makes a DK a "hero class"? |
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| 00:50.30 | Dashkal | Starts at 55. |
| 00:50.32 | Dashkal | That's it |
| 00:50.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Primer, that is starts at a high level |
| 00:50.38 | Aeyan | You have to unlock it |
| 00:50.52 | Dashkal | Aeyan: careful with that description. "unlocking" is having a 55 |
| 00:51.00 | Aeyan | I understand that |
| 00:51.07 | WobWork | http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gEJFN_SSZ0mVzigMd046pyNyorJQ |
| 00:51.09 | Aeyan | You get an achievement, that unlocks it |
| 00:51.10 | WobWork | I love the last line |
| 00:51.13 | Kirkburn|afk | (Blizz specifically defined it as starting higher level to avoid people thinking it means "more powerful") |
| 00:51.21 | Primer | Have other MMOs used that term? "Hero class"? |
| 00:51.25 | Dashkal | *shake* I know you do. I just get so many people who ask me about it clinging to unlock "So you need to do a quest right?" |
| 00:51.43 | nocts|work | http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/screenshots/86747d1220162206-funny-strange-random-pics-0019z7sc-1.jpg <- metallica meets kitteh |
| 00:51.47 | Kirkburn|afk | It's a general RPG term afaik, so it wouldn't surprise me |
| 00:52.50 | Dashkal | I'm _still_ getting guildies asking me if "I can change my race or am I stuck with the old one" (still thinking they 'convert' an existing char) |
| 00:53.17 | WobWork | nocts|work: I love the guitar solo |
| 00:53.36 | Arrowmaster | originally blizz said it would be a lvl 80 quest or so to 'unlock' it |
| 00:54.14 | Kirkburn|afk | This is a fairly quick overview of the classes that could be in the next expansion: http://www.wowwiki.com/Class_ideas |
| 00:54.42 | Aeyan | Probably just an ego trip, but I almost never mind explaining things =P |
| 00:54.50 | Aeyan | But yeah, 'unlock' is a bit of a dangerous term |
| 00:54.53 | Kirkburn|afk | I'll just be glad to get a high level horde char |
| 00:55.11 | WobWork | without having to work your way there? =) |
| 00:55.16 | Kirkburn|afk | damn right |
| 00:55.37 | Aeyan | They should know better than to list the arch-classes |
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| 00:56.14 | nocts|work | WobWork: Amazing how they got most of the kittehs to mimic the verse |
| 00:56.30 | Kirkburn|afk | The article is a little out of date, but it's mostly going over the classes known to exist in lore |
| 00:56.55 | WobWork | I'm not sure how, if ever they implement any of those, they'd balance that |
| 00:57.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Well, there's also http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Classes :P |
| 00:59.09 | Aeyan | On an off topic, the citizens of towns cursing Death Knights was a nice touch |
| 00:59.21 | Aeyan | Even if they did go a little farther than intended at first, hehe |
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| 00:59.51 | CIA-58 | ouf_tek: 03Tekkub 07master * r3d6737c 10/ layout.lua : Don't show HP text for offline units - http://is.gd/2P2Z |
| 01:00.56 | sylvanaar | the spirit trinket with a cooldown is uber |
| 01:01.07 | sylvanaar | s/with/without/ |
| 01:01.19 | Aeyan | Now tekkub's making a layout too? Yeesh, ouf explosion lately. =P |
| 01:01.26 | sylvanaar | 5000 mp5 innervated |
| 01:01.30 | Aeyan | Which one, sylvanaar? |
| 01:01.37 | sylvanaar | spirit glass something |
| 01:01.50 | sylvanaar | from gothik |
| 01:01.59 | Aeyan | Spirit-world Glass |
| 01:02.03 | sylvanaar | that |
| 01:02.07 | Tekkub | I've been ever since Wrath beta |
| 01:02.20 | Aeyan | Yeah, I did the same Tek |
| 01:02.24 | sylvanaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.28 | Aeyan | Just saying |
| 01:02.28 | Tekkub | used it as excuse to ditch agUF, one of the last big addons I was running |
| 01:02.29 | sylvanaar | noisy as hell |
| 01:02.49 | Aeyan | Did they change the regrowth glyph yet? |
| 01:02.53 | sylvanaar | no |
| 01:02.55 | Aeyan | I understand it was a little too pimp |
| 01:03.03 | sylvanaar | i hit 10k regrowths |
| 01:03.08 | Aeyan | Hehe |
| 01:03.11 | sylvanaar | i did a sprit tree build |
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| 01:03.30 | sylvanaar | 1700 rejuv ticks |
| 01:04.28 | Shefki | If they undo the Regrowth without making any changes it's going to suck to be resto on live with these changes until we can get 80 and pickup Nourish. |
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| 01:04.52 | sylvanaar | you still have the HT glyph |
| 01:04.56 | Shefki | Because they took a sledge hammer to Flourish now called Wild Growth |
| 01:05.08 | Shefki | Ohh yay, now I'm a Palladin. |
| 01:05.10 | sylvanaar | my hps went up |
| 01:06.06 | sylvanaar | 1 lb, rejuv, wg, regrowth regrowth regrowth |
| 01:06.37 | sylvanaar | usually 3 ooc procs in |
| 01:06.38 | NeoTron | out of curisity is Vindication useful in raids? |
| 01:06.49 | NeoTron | meanind does it make bosses hit less hard, lower their hitpoints or anything useful? |
| 01:06.53 | NeoTron | or is it solely pvp/ |
| 01:06.56 | Megalon | sylvanaar: wild growth has a 100% ooc procc ;) |
| 01:07.02 | sylvanaar | almost |
| 01:07.13 | sylvanaar | its like 33% per target |
| 01:07.31 | sylvanaar | so most likely will proc |
| 01:07.51 | sylvanaar | lb has the same proc rate |
| 01:07.56 | Megalon | oh, or that way |
| 01:08.00 | Megalon | yea noticed it in naxx |
| 01:08.08 | WobWork | hm, I think Brewmaster class would be cool |
| 01:08.36 | Megalon | haha nice |
| 01:08.43 | Megalon | howling fjord |
| 01:08.43 | sylvanaar | ok, im worn out, is the new epi of heros on yet...or is that next week...going to see |
| 01:08.46 | Megalon | has a crash bug |
| 01:08.54 | Megalon | now i can't login again |
| 01:09.00 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: is that the talent that reduces strength and stamina? |
| 01:09.02 | Megalon | beta client is crashing on login |
| 01:09.52 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: because all bosses are immune to that talent afaik |
| 01:09.54 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: all attributes in fact |
| 01:10.24 | NeoTron | I'm contemplating the idea of going ret pally for the expansion |
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| 01:17.56 | NeoTron | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?achievement=1787 omg lol |
| 01:20.12 | nocts|work | lol |
| 01:21.42 | Ellipsis | that'd be pretty fail on pve servers |
| 01:22.06 | NeoTron | there are also an achievement to win BG's with your orphan |
| 01:22.09 | NeoTron | or at least participate |
| 01:22.12 | NeoTron | so perhaps not so much |
| 01:23.31 | Ellipsis | oh |
| 01:23.31 | Ellipsis | meh |
| 01:23.41 | Ellipsis | are the orphans themselves attackable? :D |
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| 01:30.34 | Shefki | sylvanaar: I guess my issue is that I thought we had a pretty well defined playstyle. Maybe Flourish was a bit too good, but now it seems to me our playstyle is defined by Glyphs not talents. |
| 01:31.12 | Shefki | Everyone is pretty much forced into the Regrowth Glyph and spamming Regrowth. Which I can't imagine was their intention. |
| 01:31.31 | Ellipsis | at least your glyphs do something :( |
| 01:31.40 | Shefki | Ellipsis: No argument there. |
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| 01:32.39 | Shefki | But if a Glyph is so powerful that it defines a classes playstyle I think it's no longer a buff like I see Glyphs as. |
| 01:32.49 | Shefki | I think plastyles should be defined by talents mostly. |
| 01:33.54 | Shefki | And with the rework of Flourish into Wild Growth plus the lifebloom nerf I don't really see a good cycle without the regrowth glyph. |
| 01:34.03 | Shefki | So when they get around to fixing that I think we're pretty well hosed. |
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| 01:34.22 | WobWork | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=43673 |
| 01:34.56 | Shefki | lol |
| 01:36.17 | Cryect | Heh if you don't think glyphs won't be required for top end anything that doesn't exclude them somehow I would wonder what you are thinking based on past experience |
| 01:36.22 | Shefki | And if they rework the Regrowth Glyph between now and when they push this stuff to live... Or the Regrowth Glyph ends up not being avaiable until 71... |
| 01:36.55 | Shefki | I never said they shouldn't be required. |
| 01:37.03 | Shefki | They just shouldn't push you towards a specific style. |
| 01:37.08 | Cryect | well they will define styles as a result then |
| 01:37.34 | Cryect | There is always something that is the best for min max essentially |
| 01:37.46 | Shefki | The Regrowth Glyph is only defining the style of resto druid play because they beat everything else into the ground and it's the only reasonable thing to do right now. |
| 01:37.53 | Shefki | They'd already nerfed Lifebloom earlier. |
| 01:38.04 | Shefki | I thought the intention was to push us into using more spells than just lifebloom. |
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| 01:38.17 | Shefki | The nerfs + glyph pushes us into trading lifebloom for Regrowth. |
| 01:38.40 | Cryect | I don't think they really know how to make healing revolve around using multiple spells |
| 01:39.00 | Shefki | I thought they had done a pretty good job of that the way we were. |
| 01:39.05 | Cryect | almost everything ends up being this class spams this for this fight |
| 01:39.23 | Cryect | with minor usage of other things |
| 01:39.24 | WobWork | Well that's pretty standard mechanic |
| 01:39.31 | Shefki | Between the coefficient nerfs to lifebloom and the changes they made to let us cast other things without lifebloom dropping. |
| 01:39.39 | Shefki | There was time to cast other things. |
| 01:39.54 | WobWork | ah |
| 01:39.58 | Pkekyo| | pants Ellipsis. |
| 01:40.07 | Ellipsis | sighs |
| 01:40.07 | WobWork | instead of struggling to chain lifebloom |
| 01:40.15 | WobWork | Ellipsis needs no pants |
| 01:40.21 | Ellipsis | indeed |
| 01:40.28 | Ellipsis | in fact, I'm going to take mine off right now to prove it |
| 01:40.39 | Shefki | Meaning the changes to GCD for lifebloom and rejuv, duration increases on everything, glphys that helped with durations, etc... |
| 01:40.46 | WobWork | Ellipsis: you're at home most of the day, yes? |
| 01:40.46 | Shefki | That seemed to encourage a health bunch of choices. |
| 01:40.59 | Shefki | But Wild Growth is garbage, no point in using it. |
| 01:41.07 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: I'm glad you show initiative |
| 01:41.09 | Ellipsis | WobWork: s/most/all/ |
| 01:41.09 | Shefki | Lifebloom is lowered. |
| 01:41.15 | Cryect | Really I think the game paradigm of tank, heal, dps is kinda worn out |
| 01:41.17 | KriLL3 | lifebloom is a key aspect of feral pvp, too bar blizzard doesn't care about us, they just care about resto pvp/pve |
| 01:41.18 | Shefki | There's the core of what I saw our cycle being. |
| 01:41.26 | WobWork | Ellipsis: good good. Fedex should deliver a package mid next week hopefully |
| 01:41.33 | Ellipsis | <3 |
| 01:41.38 | WobWork | hopefully it's not too hot a day =P |
| 01:41.42 | Cryect | fedex package of pants? |
| 01:41.45 | Ellipsis | uh oh :P |
| 01:42.22 | Ellipsis | I hope not Cryect, what on earth would I do with them? |
| 01:42.22 | Cryect | put them on your head |
| 01:42.22 | Pkekyo| | That's what I said! |
| 01:42.22 | Shefki | I expected in 25 mans to be running lifeblooms, on heavy aoe fights using Flourish and then doing Nourish or other hots in not so aoe'ish situations. |
| 01:42.22 | Ellipsis | there's only so many that I can fit on my head at once, you ese |
| 01:42.23 | Ellipsis | see* |
| 01:42.26 | Shefki | Now outside of this Glyph propping us up I have no idea what I'd do. |
| 01:42.27 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: your nose then |
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| 01:42.31 | Shefki | Especially not at 70 without Nourish. |
| 01:42.35 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo|: my nose isn't THAT big :( |
| 01:42.46 | Keias | You don't want pants |
| 01:42.48 | Keias | Pants are horrible |
| 01:42.58 | Arrowmaster | is there a list of all current glyphs per class? |
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| 01:43.25 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: checked wowhead? |
| 01:43.30 | KriLL3 | not on mmo-champion |
| 01:43.40 | KriLL3 | they just list the changes |
| 01:43.43 | KriLL3 | lazy |
| 01:43.45 | Shefki | Granted the lifebloom nerf is mostly made up by the 15% spirit -> spellpower change. |
| 01:43.46 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: superglue :D |
| 01:43.56 | Cryect | anyways the best way to get blizzard to change something is abuse it till they realize its overpowered or don't use it till they realize its worthless |
| 01:44.26 | Pkekyo| | but I've got to get up and work in 1.5hrs, so...laters.. g'nite! |
| 01:44.42 | Shefki | I guess I'm mostly frustrated by seeing Flourish turn into Wild Growth and have it's healing knocked to 25% of what it was before while increasing the mana costs. |
| 01:44.54 | Shefki | Given that it was a hot I didn't think it was that overpowered. |
| 01:45.14 | Cryect | after watching blizzard take forever to change lifebloom to have heal coefficients on the later stacks of lifebloom due to it mathematically didn't make sense to stack it and being shown several times that seems the only way |
| 01:45.16 | Shefki | Cryect: Or post on the forums in constructive ways. Not that your thread won't get sidetracked. |
| 01:45.23 | Cryect | Shefki, I |
| 01:45.38 | Arrowmaster | why do i only see major warlock glyphs on wowhead |
| 01:46.05 | Shefki | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=43673 |
| 01:46.08 | KriLL3 | only warlocks have glyphs |
| 01:46.10 | Cryect | ve posted constructively showing mathematically how things are wrong/underpowered and changes didn't come till up to half a year later |
| 01:46.11 | Shefki | ack wrong url |
| 01:46.14 | Ellipsis | because whoever was entering them got so bored of the bad glyphs they quit after those? :P |
| 01:46.16 | Shefki | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?items=16 |
| 01:46.49 | Shefki | Cryect: I don't think they really listen once it's live. |
| 01:46.57 | Cryect | They don't listen in beta |
| 01:47.11 | Cryect | They ignored the beta forums almost completely in TBC Beta |
| 01:47.21 | Cryect | I don't think its changed prolly for WotLK |
| 01:47.38 | Cryect | the only things they changed were those which got majorly abused |
| 01:47.45 | Cryect | they were good at picking up on those ;) |
| 01:49.27 | Cryect | I wish game designers were strong in math but they rarely seem to be :( |
| 01:50.17 | Shefki | I hate the people that post and show how druid hots are so much more efficient while completely ignoring how often the ticks don't do anything. |
| 01:51.18 | Shefki | Or they treat our healing as being applied all at the time we cast it becuase "Your heals are instant cast" |
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| 01:51.52 | Cryect | WEll they are efficient if you can use them on targets you know taking consistent damage, heh was really the paladins that annoyed me flash healing up people with hots ticking on them |
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| 01:52.44 | Shefki | Cryect: True. |
| 01:52.55 | Arrowmaster | i just had salv and tranq air totem and was still pushing more tps than the tank on felmyst =( |
| 01:53.03 | Cryect | hehe |
| 01:53.03 | Shefki | Cryect: But priests were whining about Flourish being too efficient compared to Circle of Healing. |
| 01:53.15 | Shefki | When the only similarity was the targeting mechanism. |
| 01:53.57 | Cryect | heh, well I can't really comment haven't looked at any of the wotlk stuff since too busy with RL now a days |
| 01:54.23 | Shefki | Doesn't matter now they got what they wanted. |
| 01:54.26 | Cryect | but I sure know CoH is a little on the overpowered side on some things mainly since it can be spammed |
| 01:54.35 | Cryect | where as a HOT can't |
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| 01:55.17 | Shefki | You can spam it, you're just an idiot if you do. :P |
| 01:55.42 | steev | sigh |
| 01:55.46 | steev | people dying to bombs again |
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| 01:57.08 | Cryect | really if they wanted to ensure people use a variety of spells, best thing to do is have everything have short cooldowns |
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| 01:57.21 | Cryect | short meaning ~5 seconds |
| 01:57.46 | Cryect | with some sort of combo chaining system that encourages variety |
| 01:58.03 | Cryect | but that would be a massive change |
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| 02:04.36 | KriLL3 | bah, the pirate costume buff is removed on shapeshift, useless |
| 02:05.55 | WobWork | well you can spam CoH if you want to eat aggro |
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| 02:08.06 | Shefki | WobWork: I meant you're an idiot if you spam Flourish or Wild Growth (the new name) |
| 02:08.11 | Pkekyo| | fucksake...it's mid september and it's still hotter than Milla Jovovich outside |
| 02:12.05 | Cryect | WobWork, considering I've seen CoH spammed nonstopped on void reaver and bloodboil without aggro issues. Aggro shouldn't be an issue |
| 02:12.12 | Cryect | assumes good tanks of course |
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| 02:13.43 | WobWork | wouldn't it be hotter to have milla inside... with you? |
| 02:14.20 | Pkekyo| | most likely, yes...but she's not here :< |
| 02:14.31 | Pkekyo| | sent her a letter once, but no luck :p |
| 02:14.46 | Pkekyo| | 'twas a joche |
| 02:15.17 | Pkekyo| | also, coke tastes like discocunt...why the hell does people drink this stuff? |
| 02:15.29 | Cryect | hmm is there a good addon now a days to change the properties of UI's ingame with a simple GUI? |
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| 02:15.54 | Pkekyo| | you mean something along the lines of rockconfig? |
| 02:16.20 | Cryect | I don't think thats what I mean, I mean changing width/height, visibility, etc of frames |
| 02:16.46 | Cryect | basically I want a tree/click selection with list of properties for the frame that i can change |
| 02:17.07 | Cryect | If not thats okay |
| 02:17.23 | Pkekyo| | haven't heard of anything like that |
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| 02:19.08 | moolgar | can anyone please explane me the diference of an ace addon and a regular.. i just bought this book about programming, but cant find anything about that. diferent feautures ? |
| 02:19.25 | Cryect | uh what? |
| 02:19.27 | kenlyric | lol |
| 02:20.15 | moolgar | ? |
| 02:21.01 | Cryect | Ace just meant it used the Ace Framework which "simplifies" doing various things |
| 02:21.07 | Pkekyo| | moolgar: Ace is an addon framework |
| 02:21.30 | moolgar | okey, i c. thx |
| 02:22.27 | Pkekyo| | guess you could look at it as...eh... lua...shortcuts |
| 02:22.28 | Pkekyo| | ? |
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| 02:23.07 | Pkekyo| | Tem: who the hell are you? and why an Op? o.O |
| 02:23.17 | Cryect | its uh Tem |
| 02:23.27 | Tem | giggles |
| 02:23.40 | Pkekyo| | I've been randomly idling here for more than a year and haven't seen you online -once- |
| 02:23.46 | Cryect | oh did Antiarc ever finish that swarm of wowace? |
| 02:23.55 | Cryect | he's been here more than a year |
| 02:24.05 | Pkekyo| | never seen him :p |
| 02:24.09 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo|: are you blind? |
| 02:24.11 | Pkekyo| | Tem: start making some more noise |
| 02:24.14 | Gngsk | blind imo |
| 02:24.14 | Ellipsis | Tem is pretty much always here :P |
| 02:24.16 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: no, but almost deaf |
| 02:24.21 | Cryect | He's left a couple times over various arguments |
| 02:24.24 | Arrowmaster | yeah tem is always in here |
| 02:24.30 | Cryect | with ckknight but normally here |
| 02:24.35 | Pkekyo| | I have to admit I never look at that list of names ---> |
| 02:24.40 | Tem | Pkekyo|, I've been in this channel pretty much non-stop for the last 3 years |
| 02:24.40 | Cryect | haha |
| 02:24.41 | Ellipsis | then you ARE blind :D |
| 02:24.42 | Tem | so um |
| 02:24.54 | Gngsk | Pkekyo|, I don't even have a list of names and I know he's been here... |
| 02:24.55 | Pkekyo| | you should start saying more stuff so I notice you then :p |
| 02:25.18 | Cryect | Now Tem I would say is pretty quiet "normally" :-p |
| 02:25.30 | Tem | meh |
| 02:25.39 | Tem | this channel has a pretty low S:N ratio |
| 02:25.45 | Tem | so I tend to ignore it unless someone pings me |
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| 02:26.02 | Pkekyo| | S:N? |
| 02:26.07 | Tem | signal:noise |
| 02:26.08 | Cryect | Signal:Noise |
| 02:26.14 | Pkekyo| | elaborate? |
| 02:26.33 | Cryect | Its spam mainly |
| 02:26.40 | nocts|work | 00:07.54Tem|afkTekkub, did you mean to mispell "naked" in your wiki description of Metrognome |
| 02:26.47 | Cryect | like say talking about Ellipsis with pants on her head |
| 02:27.11 | Pkekyo| | Cryect: but...that's the good stuff! :D |
| 02:27.26 | Pkekyo| | but basicly, S:N translates to 'sense:nonsense' in laymans terms, no? |
| 02:27.28 | Cryect | Not everyone can appreciate the better things in life |
| 02:27.53 | Cryect | sure I guess if you're not an EE |
| 02:28.00 | Pkekyo| | EE? |
| 02:28.09 | Cryect | Electrical Engineer |
| 02:28.17 | nocts|work | [18:01] [ @Tem ] I was about to go take a nap |
| 02:28.17 | nocts|work | [18:01] [ @Tem ] but people being wrong on the internet is more important |
| 02:28.29 | Pkekyo| | well...I'm pants-on-head retarded, does that count? |
| 02:28.30 | Cryect | heh going through logs? |
| 02:28.35 | Pkekyo| | oh...I like Tem allready :) |
| 02:28.37 | nocts|work | He's like a fucking ghost. |
| 02:28.40 | Tem | I don't even remember saying that |
| 02:28.46 | Cryect | prolly from months ago |
| 02:28.46 | Tem | must be going pretty far back |
| 02:28.54 | nocts|work | Oh yeah, ALL THE WAY BACK. |
| 02:28.57 | nocts|work | licks |
| 02:29.42 | Pkekyo| | you know how people say oral sex isn't sex...? |
| 02:30.33 | Pkekyo| | following that logic...does that mean that forced oral sex isn't rape? :P |
| 02:30.56 | nocts|work | Not after a few months of Christian Counciling. |
| 02:31.03 | nocts|work | *Counseling |
| 02:31.03 | Cryect | [06/28/2007 17:14:14] <Tem> Thrae, I thoroughly that ck could explain the "history" |
| 02:31.04 | Cryect | :-p |
| 02:31.08 | Pkekyo| | christian counselling? |
| 02:32.39 | nocts|work | http://www.safenow.org/ |
| 02:33.59 | nocts|work | "Use your flashlight to lift the walls right off of you!" |
| 02:34.22 | Cryect | that sounds unsafe |
| 02:34.38 | Pkekyo| | rofl |
| 02:35.52 | WobWork | Cryect: http://vimeo.com/1757321 |
| 02:36.13 | nocts|work | "The middle of a terrorist attack is not an appropriate time to catch up on your reading or paperwork." |
| 02:36.14 | nocts|work | lol |
| 02:36.40 | WobWork | Pkekyo|: the logic is flawed, because it's the forced bit that makes it rape |
| 02:36.57 | Groktard | heh, we did archimonde today since we didn't have people for kj attempts |
| 02:36.58 | Cryect | WobWork, thanks! |
| 02:37.04 | Groktard | fricking triple vanq |
| 02:37.08 | Groktard | and all 3 went to an alt druid |
| 02:37.26 | Pkekyo| | WobWork: so...if I force someone to eat a sammich, I've raped them? |
| 02:37.44 | nocts|work | That's assault. |
| 02:38.06 | Pkekyo| | nocts|work: yeah...not rape because it doesn't involve sex |
| 02:38.08 | Pkekyo| | NOW |
| 02:38.12 | Pkekyo| | oral sex != sex |
| 02:38.21 | WobWork | er |
| 02:38.22 | Pkekyo| | therefor forced oral sex != rape |
| 02:38.23 | WobWork | by that logic |
| 02:38.25 | WobWork | oral != |
| 02:38.38 | nocts|work | Pkekyo| is accurate, legally speaking. |
| 02:38.54 | WobWork | er since when is oral sex not considered sex? |
| 02:38.55 | nocts|work | Oral Sex could not be considered rape unless there is actually penetration. |
| 02:39.06 | nocts|work | Which is possible during oral, and that's the grounds they usually go on. |
| 02:39.08 | WobWork | So... if Pkekyo| forced someone to lick him... |
| 02:39.12 | Pkekyo| | WobWork: please read my opening statement |
| 02:39.19 | Ellipsis | WobWork: he does that to me all the time :( |
| 02:39.27 | WobWork | Pkekyo|: But that's an 'assumption' |
| 02:39.51 | Pkekyo| | WobWork: yeah, but I said 'following that logic...' |
| 02:39.51 | nocts|work | WobWork: Oral attacks like that are legally called Sexual Assaults, instead of Assault or Assault & Battery |
| 02:40.08 | Pkekyo| | hell, I can batter you with my danglies if you'd like |
| 02:40.08 | WobWork | You know what happens when you make assumptions =P |
| 02:40.11 | Pkekyo| | wait...that came out wrong :p |
| 02:40.15 | nocts|work | Rape is a form of sexual assault and two different accounts to be charged by. |
| 02:40.18 | Pkekyo| | WobWork: ...I'm just saying... |
| 02:40.23 | nocts|work | That he wants your mancock. |
| 02:40.27 | WobWork | oh |
| 02:40.34 | WobWork | Well, all you had to do was ask |
| 02:40.36 | Cryect | FSM battered me with his danglies :'( |
| 02:40.36 | nocts|work | lol |
| 02:40.37 | Pkekyo| | yes, give it to me so I can prove my point! |
| 02:40.54 | WobWork | teabags Pkekyo| |
| 02:41.36 | Pkekyo| | bludgeons WobWork to death with 15-inch black rubber cock |
| 02:41.44 | Ellipsis | this is relevant to my interests. |
| 02:41.59 | WobWork | Pkekyo| has gotten his toys out to play |
| 02:42.05 | Pkekyo| | I don't doubt that for a second Ellipsis |
| 02:42.13 | Pkekyo| | WobWork: look up the referance :) |
| 02:42.20 | WobWork | No harry, we can't =P |
| 02:42.25 | Pkekyo| | ;> |
| 02:42.31 | Pkekyo| | best movie EVAR |
| 02:42.33 | nocts|work | As in potter? |
| 02:42.34 | Zhinjio | hugs Ellipsis |
| 02:42.35 | WobWork | agrees |
| 02:42.42 | WobWork | Noooooo =P |
| 02:42.43 | Zhinjio | heya nocts|work |
| 02:42.45 | Ellipsis | hides behind Zhinjio |
| 02:42.50 | Pkekyo| | nocts|work: no, as in Hatchet Harry |
| 02:42.52 | nocts|work | nibbles Zhinjio |
| 02:42.54 | Ellipsis | make the scary people stop |
| 02:43.07 | nocts|work | "If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it against the wall with your shoulder." |
| 02:43.10 | WobWork | nocts|work: you need to go out and rent both Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatch |
| 02:43.11 | nocts|work | hah |
| 02:43.13 | Pkekyo| | puts pants on Ellipsis' head |
| 02:43.16 | WobWork | and watch both |
| 02:43.18 | nocts|work | WobWork: I own both. |
| 02:43.29 | Pkekyo| | nocts|work: and still you didn't catch the referance? |
| 02:43.30 | nocts|work | But Harry by itself won't ring any bells. |
| 02:43.31 | Pkekyo| | fucking hethen |
| 02:43.32 | WobWork | pft, clearly not enough to recognise quotes =) |
| 02:43.34 | Pkekyo| | heathen* |
| 02:43.39 | nocts|work | No, because it's no a unique quote :P |
| 02:43.52 | WobWork | It is in conjunction to 15inch black rubber dildos |
| 02:43.54 | Pkekyo| | nocts|work: you'd think the 15-inch black rubber cock would help speed up your memory... |
| 02:44.02 | WobWork | although |
| 02:44.06 | Ellipsis | he sees those all the time |
| 02:44.09 | WobWork | maybe nocts has been watching -other- movies |
| 02:44.10 | nocts|work | "When you go in reverse, things come from behind you, Tyrone" |
| 02:44.12 | WobWork | with that combination |
| 02:44.14 | nocts|work | At least that IS unique. |
| 02:44.16 | Pkekyo| | but prolly it just sped up your lower body blood circulation |
| 02:44.26 | Pkekyo| | nocts|work: it was a funny angle! |
| 02:44.38 | nocts|work | "It's a two ton truck." |
| 02:44.39 | Cryect | oh good old Tyrone |
| 02:44.59 | Pkekyo| | nocts|work: yes...every other movie has someone being beaten to death with a 15-inch black rubber cock in it.... |
| 02:45.05 | Pkekyo| | Tyrone is bloody brilliant |
| 02:45.11 | Cryect | They all do Pkekyo|! |
| 02:45.14 | Cryect | or at least all the good ones |
| 02:45.16 | nocts|work | ^ |
| 02:45.21 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo|: if you don't see it, you're not looking hard enough ;) |
| 02:45.43 | Pkekyo| | "It's too tight." |
| 02:45.49 | WobWork | holds up a black screen. 15 inch black rubber cock at night. |
| 02:45.57 | nocts|work | "You could let a jumbo fucking jet in there" |
| 02:46.13 | Pkekyo| | Cryect: well, Lock Stock is one of the very few good movies there is out there |
| 02:46.21 | Pkekyo| | nocts|work: NOW you're pleasing me |
| 02:47.12 | Cryect | Snatch is quite amusing if you splice all the scenes of Tyrone together |
| 02:47.17 | Pkekyo| | I probably shouldn't say that in a conversation about 15-inch black rubber cocks |
| 02:47.21 | Pkekyo| | Cryect: aye |
| 02:47.30 | Pkekyo| | they -really- make that movie |
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| 02:48.11 | Cryect | yeah, roommates GF found it strange when we would watch snatch and only the parts with tyrone which we had made into a single video :-p |
| 02:48.12 | Pkekyo| | I was cracked up laughing for the entire duration of Lock Stock when I saw it for the first time... my gf hated :P |
| 02:48.12 | Pkekyo| | Snatch only made me crack up when Tyrone was around... |
| 02:48.19 | Cryect | back in college |
| 02:50.36 | Zhinjio | MinimumWaaaaaaage... H'yah! |
| 02:50.51 | Pkekyo| | Zhinjio: atleast you have wage |
| 02:51.07 | Zhinjio | Pkekyo|: now its your turn to miss a reference. |
| 02:51.12 | Pkekyo| | "In case of emergency, the parking brake may be used as an adult novelty item." |
| 02:51.18 | Pkekyo| | Zhinjio: from where? |
| 02:51.48 | Zhinjio | thats the magic of missing a reference. |
| 02:52.29 | Zhinjio | cracks his whiip to make the proper sound effect. |
| 02:52.46 | Pkekyo| | inidana bones? |
| 02:53.20 | Pkekyo| | really, who the flying fuck uses a whip? |
| 02:53.27 | Zhinjio | if you liked those two movies, btw... also see "Revolver" with Jason Statham |
| 02:53.35 | Pkekyo| | except for indiana and my ex I can't think of anything |
| 02:53.37 | Pkekyo| | Zhinjio: I have |
| 02:53.59 | Pkekyo| | not more than a month ago, but I can't even fucking remember what it was about |
| 02:54.09 | Pkekyo| | guess that kinda happens if you're drunk for weeks without pause :p |
| 02:54.29 | Zhinjio | are you celebrating something, or are you just an asshole? |
| 02:54.46 | Pkekyo| | celebrating? |
| 02:55.19 | Zhinjio | Excellent. |
| 02:55.37 | Pkekyo| | no idea what you're on about, but I think I'm gonna go with the asshole one for now... |
| 02:55.47 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo| doesn't drink to celebrate |
| 02:55.55 | Ellipsis | I mean, literally, his celebrations involve not drinking :P |
| 02:56.11 | Pkekyo| | oh, yeah...you didn't know |
| 02:56.11 | Pkekyo| | Hi. I'm Pkekyo|, and I'm an alcoholic... |
| 02:57.28 | Pkekyo| | observes the hush fall over the channel |
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| 02:58.45 | CIA-58 | 03cryect 072.4 * r81864 10Recount2/ (Configs/view.lua Misc/Report.lua Recount2.toc): |
| 02:58.45 | CIA-58 | Recount2: |
| 02:58.45 | CIA-58 | -Fixes issue with editboxes on the view config |
| 02:58.45 | CIA-58 | -Fixes reporting |
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| 03:07.33 | Zhinjio | Pkekyo|: They Might be Giants song was my earlier reference. |
| 03:08.29 | Pkekyo| | what is a they might be a giants? |
| 03:08.43 | Nechckn | The canary in the yellow by the light switch, who watches over you... |
| 03:08.53 | Nechckn | oh, sorry... that's a band |
| 03:09.54 | Pkekyo| | oh... |
| 03:09.54 | Pkekyo| | I don't...well....let's just say I don't keep track of bands |
| 03:10.10 | Zhinjio | sorry to hear that. |
| 03:10.21 | Nechckn | they're quite old now |
| 03:10.30 | Zhinjio | nods. |
| 03:10.40 | Pkekyo| | nah...I listen to songs I like, independant of bands :) |
| 03:10.41 | Nechckn | well... over 10 years, anyway, so "old" in band years |
| 03:11.01 | Zhinjio | their last album was a children's music album |
| 03:11.04 | Zhinjio | quite good, too |
| 03:11.04 | Pkekyo| | '90s music? might even be worth checking out then |
| 03:11.23 | Zhinjio | late 80's even |
| 03:11.26 | Nechckn | very late 80s on |
| 03:11.32 | Nechckn | =) |
| 03:11.41 | Pkekyo| | that's a bit more than ten years then indeed |
| 03:11.41 | Zhinjio | I think Lincoln was '89 |
| 03:11.47 | Zhinjio | anyway, yeah |
| 03:12.19 | Pkekyo| | why did artists turn music into shite just as we entered a new millenia? :p |
| 03:13.04 | WobWork | They call me Dr Worm |
| 03:13.04 | Nechckn | blame the Beetles, they started the downfall! |
| 03:13.18 | WobWork | I'm not a real doctor, but I am a real worm |
| 03:13.32 | Pkekyo| | lol Nechckn |
| 03:13.45 | Pkekyo| | misses the '90s |
| 03:13.58 | Pkekyo| | was much simpler than |
| 03:13.59 | WobWork | has been listening to early 80s australian/nz bands |
| 03:14.03 | WobWork | on youtube |
| 03:14.09 | WobWork | <3 the memories |
| 03:14.24 | Pkekyo| | might have something to do with the fact that I had only passed 10 years of age in the '90s but :P |
| 03:14.39 | WobWork | And scarily enough, a young Tim Finn looks like a young Nathan Fillion |
| 03:14.45 | Nechckn | the really scary part is when you see what was cutting edge, anti-social tunes made into commercial jingles |
| 03:15.12 | nocts|work | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/672031640.html < roflwut |
| 03:15.43 | Pkekyo| | the best song of the '80s and '90s is here though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU |
| 03:17.00 | Pkekyo| | rofl nocts|work |
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| 03:18.19 | Wobin | nocts|work: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/ldn/783766933.html |
| 03:18.32 | nocts|work | haha |
| 03:18.49 | Groktard | nibbles on Wobin's soul |
| 03:18.52 | Nechckn | nemesis =) now that is a fun idea |
| 03:20.10 | nocts|work | Anyone here from Russia? |
| 03:20.29 | Zyndrome | always wear a top hat and an awesome moustache |
| 03:20.40 | Pkekyo| | nocts|work: da |
| 03:20.46 | nocts|work | http://englishrussia.com/images/daily_07/10.jpg - http://englishrussia.com/images/daily_07/16.jpg |
| 03:20.52 | nocts|work | From - http://englishrussia.com/?p=2024 |
| 03:20.55 | nocts|work | That's crazy. |
| 03:21.06 | nocts|work | s/crazy/goofy |
| 03:21.17 | nocts|work | s\crazy\goofy |
| 03:21.24 | nocts|work | s/crazy\goofy |
| 03:21.38 | nocts|work | purl: diaf |
| 03:21.46 | purl | ACTION refuses to die! |
| 03:21.47 | nocts|work | man purl |
| 03:22.10 | Ellipsis | nocts: you fail |
| 03:22.13 | nocts|work | purl --help |
| 03:22.14 | Ellipsis | s/fail/epic fail/ |
| 03:22.24 | nocts|work | Oh there is an ending slashy |
| 03:22.35 | nocts|work | s/slashy/elliwhore/ |
| 03:22.40 | nocts|work | woot. |
| 03:23.49 | Pkekyo| | rofl |
| 03:24.04 | Pkekyo| | http://englishrussia.com/images/daily_07/1.jpg |
| 03:24.08 | Pkekyo| | falls over laughing |
| 03:24.11 | nocts|work | lol |
| 03:26.41 | Wobin | hehe |
| 03:26.42 | Wobin | http://englishrussia.com/images/daily_07/15.jpg |
| 03:26.44 | Wobin | usb sign |
| 03:26.49 | Pkekyo| | lol |
| 03:26.57 | CIA-58 | 03cryect 072.4 * r81865 10Recount2/ (GUI/GUI_List.lua Recount2.lua Tracker/Data.lua): |
| 03:26.57 | CIA-58 | Recount2: |
| 03:26.57 | CIA-58 | -No longer calls the update function for windows when data isn't being updated for them and as a result the OnUpdate script doesn't run at all now unless there is data to be recorded |
| 03:27.12 | steev | *sigh* |
| 03:29.31 | Pkekyo| | http://englishrussia.com/images/intel_ad/1.jpg lolwut |
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| 03:29.55 | nocts|work | O.o |
| 03:30.49 | Pkekyo| | never knew intel needed tanks to fend off AMD :p |
| 03:33.17 | Pkekyo| | http://englishrussia.com/images/hancock2/1.jpg |
| 03:33.36 | nocts|work | hahahaha |
| 03:33.46 | kenlyric | so what hack website is englishrussia? |
| 03:35.17 | Pkekyo| | http://englishrussia.com/images/super_mario_lada/1.jpg supermario lada :) |
| 03:39.33 | nocts|work | off work, cheers |
| 03:39.41 | ulic | w00t, gnomes got their eyes fixed in the beta patch. |
| 03:39.55 | Pkekyo| | aw fucksake |
| 03:40.06 | Pkekyo| | was hoping gnomes would be screwed over eternally |
| 03:40.52 | ulic | we're screwed over enough, everyone tries to punt us. |
| 03:40.57 | ulic | taurens think their stomps should insta-kill us, etc. |
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| 03:42.12 | CIA-58 | 03whitetooth * r81866 10StatLogicLib/StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: |
| 03:42.12 | CIA-58 | StatLogicLib: WotLK Build 8962 |
| 03:42.12 | CIA-58 | - Mp5 from Spirit nerfed at levels 71 to 80, BASE_REGEN table updated. |
| 03:42.12 | CIA-58 | - Players lower then level 34 will now convert resilience ratings at the same rate as level 34 players |
| 03:43.02 | Pkekyo| | ulic: well, THEY SHOULD |
| 03:45.58 | ulic | feh, gnomes should should cut their achillies tends as they scamper under the big slow taurens hoves. |
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| 03:49.14 | steev | everyone thinks their class should be able to 1 shot everything |
| 03:49.33 | steev | class/race/whatever |
| 03:51.25 | Pkekyo| | steev: no, I just want to be able to stomp gnomes |
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| 03:54.23 | Groktard | puts on his french maid outfit and dances seductively for Thezilch |
| 03:55.39 | Pkekyo| | runs for the hills |
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| 03:56.22 | CIA-58 | Recount2: |
| 03:56.23 | CIA-58 | -Minor bug fix to scroll list widget so it won't error if trying to :GetSelected() on an empty scroll list |
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| 03:57.48 | Pkekyo| | I don't have Attention Deficit Diso... OOH! LET'S GO RIDE BIKES! :D |
| 03:59.21 | Groktard | improperly hooks your addons and then blames the errors on you |
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| 04:09.57 | CIA-58 | 03ackis 07NewDB * r81868 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 04:09.57 | CIA-58 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 04:09.57 | CIA-58 | - Fixed all bugs with it, currently actually will print out info for First Aid!!! |
| 04:09.58 | Cryect | Oh my, my old Recount project page received 877 downloads today >_< heh better delete those files |
| 04:20.33 | NeoTron | is there any way to get interface configuration to work on beta now? |
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| 04:28.46 | CIA-58 | 03shefki * r81869 10LibHealComm-3.0/LibHealComm-3.0.lua: LibHealComm-3.0: Hex of Weakness has been removed in WoTLK. |
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| 04:34.58 | NivFreak | wtf |
| 04:35.06 | NivFreak | so blizzard made bloodthirst REQUIRE A WEAPON? |
| 04:35.11 | NivFreak | why the fuck would anyone spec TG now... |
| 04:37.20 | NivFreak | ckknight: did you get a chance to fix dogtags? |
| 04:37.30 | ckknight | no, I played Warhammer instead |
| 04:37.33 | ckknight | *thumbs up* |
| 04:37.36 | NivFreak | =( |
| 04:37.47 | ckknight | the issue is that GetSpellInfo(blah) isn't returning what it used to |
| 04:37.58 | NivFreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.04 | ckknight | just different, likely |
| 04:38.14 | ckknight | in unrelated news, WAR is pretty fun |
| 04:38.16 | NivFreak | but warhammer has stolen your focus |
| 04:38.23 | NivFreak | guess I should find new unit frames |
| 04:38.32 | ckknight | lol |
| 04:38.44 | ckknight | either that or wait for me to fix it |
| 04:38.54 | ckknight | don't be so melodramatic, though |
| 04:39.01 | NivFreak | warhammer laucnhed today right? |
| 04:39.06 | ckknight | yep |
| 04:39.06 | NivFreak | launched |
| 04:39.10 | NivFreak | so yea, I figure 2 weeks |
| 04:39.11 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 04:40.04 | Gnarfoz | I raided BT with cpu profiling enabled earlier :X |
| 04:40.11 | NivFreak | 2fps? |
| 04:40.13 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 04:41.17 | Wobin | launched eh? |
| 04:41.18 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:41.24 | Wobin | I should give it a go, I gues |
| 04:41.42 | Wobin | Maybe wait a few days for the furore to die down a little |
| 04:41.55 | ckknight | I did a few scenarios with Kaelten today |
| 04:41.59 | ckknight | it was pretty cool |
| 04:42.51 | Wobin | what's a good class to get started with? |
| 04:42.58 | ckknight | http://www.wardb.com/profile.aspx?id=26316 <-- my character |
| 04:43.07 | ckknight | I dunno, I went with the Black Orc, which is a tank |
| 04:43.16 | ckknight | Kaelten is a zealot, which is a healer |
| 04:43.31 | ckknight | there's 4 archetypes: tank, healer, melee DPS, ranged DPS |
| 04:43.37 | Wobin | ahah |
| 04:43.48 | Wobin | they are already selling game guides =P |
| 04:44.07 | ckknight | and each race has a class with one of those archetypes, so if you want to be a Chaos Melee DPS, you can do that :-P |
| 04:44.08 | NivFreak | ckknight: someone else must have fixed it for you :) |
| 04:44.10 | ckknight | pretty much |
| 04:44.15 | ckknight | NivFreak: quite possible |
| 04:44.16 | ckknight | :-) |
| 04:44.46 | Wobin | hm, I'll pop downstairs see if they hvae it |
| 04:44.47 | NivFreak | damn |
| 04:44.51 | NivFreak | still no warrior glyphs in |
| 04:45.01 | Shefki | Ohh joy. |
| 04:45.09 | ckknight | Wobin: downstairs? |
| 04:45.19 | Shefki | Wound Poison V is spellid 27282 |
| 04:45.29 | Shefki | But using GetSpellInfo for that returns nothing. |
| 04:45.39 | Shefki | There's another Wound Poison V with the sell id 22055 |
| 04:45.43 | Shefki | Which also returns nothing on beta now. |
| 04:45.46 | Megalon | anyone killed Loken on heroic? |
| 04:45.57 | Shefki | So did they just remove Wound Poison V? |
| 04:46.07 | Megalon | halls of lightning that is, could not beat him >:< |
| 04:46.14 | ckknight | Wobin: if you want, you can join Kaelten and I and such on Ostermark, Destruction side |
| 04:48.39 | Primer | Can anyone recommend a frame mover addon that DOESN'T SUCK? |
| 04:48.44 | Primer | moveit sucks |
| 04:49.06 | Primer | constantly throwing errors |
| 04:50.34 | Wobin | ckknight: I have a store that might sell it downstairs |
| 04:50.35 | CIA-58 | 03ackis 07NewDB * r81870 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList/ (10 files in 2 dirs): |
| 04:50.35 | CIA-58 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 04:50.35 | CIA-58 | - More updates to the data miners |
| 04:50.36 | CIA-58 | - Added smelting/engineering to the list, engineering is busted however. |
| 04:50.36 | CIA-58 | - Few minor glitches found with the other trade skills whichi will be fixed soon |
| 04:50.39 | Wobin | but they didn't have it |
| 04:50.55 | ckknight | Wobin: ah, alright |
| 04:53.40 | Wobin | hm, no way to buy online? |
| 04:54.48 | Wobin | That's pretty terrible |
| 04:58.39 | Groktard | puts on his french maid outfit and dances seductively for ckknight |
| 04:58.45 | CIA-58 | 03shefki * r81871 10PitBull/Aura/Filter.lua: PitBull_Aura: WoTLK changes for Rogues, Find Weakness and Poisons. |
| 04:59.08 | ckknight | Groktar: only works if it's forced feminization, sorry |
| 04:59.33 | Groktar | lol |
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| 05:02.30 | NivFreak | 15000G for a 3 person land mount |
| 05:02.30 | NivFreak | lol |
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| 05:04.53 | CIA-58 | 03shefki * r81872 10PitBull/Aura/Filter.lua: PitBull_Aura: Priest Racials in WoTLK have changed. |
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| 05:08.00 | WobWork | in other news: http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/18/microsofts-im-a-pc-ad-gently-alights-upon-the-airwaves/ |
| 05:08.43 | WobWork | aka "Don't judge me because I'm a <insert generic phrase that means nothing in the context of the media>" |
| 05:11.29 | Shefki | So much fun making every class and fixing this stuff. |
| 05:11.30 | CIA-58 | 03shefki * r81873 10PitBull/Aura/Filter.lua: |
| 05:11.30 | CIA-58 | PitBull_Aura: Deal with a couple of removed Shaman totems for WoTLK and simplify the Find |
| 05:11.30 | CIA-58 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.30 | CIA-58 | 03ackis * r81874 10Collectinator/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 05:11.30 | CIA-58 | Collectinator: |
| 05:11.31 | CIA-58 | - Fixed a few errors |
| 05:11.33 | CIA-58 | - Updated miner a bit |
| 05:15.20 | Groktar | devours Shefki's soul |
| 05:15.33 | WobWork | ckknight: I'll probably go onto an Oceanic server |
| 05:15.42 | WobWork | I'll have to see what ToG are going to |
| 05:15.48 | ckknight | alright |
| 05:16.17 | WobWork | cause omg an actualy physical oceanic server |
| 05:16.23 | WobWork | omg omg |
| 05:17.46 | WobWork | . o O ("omg") |
| 05:20.09 | Codayus | Hmm? Who? What? |
| 05:20.59 | CIA-58 | 03shefki * r81875 10PitBull/Aura/Filter.lua: PitBull_Aura: Palladin Auras for WoTLK updated. |
| 05:22.33 | Shefki | Woot a class I didn't have to fix. |
| 05:22.36 | Shefki | Mages ftw. |
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| 05:26.20 | ReAn | wtf... |
| 05:26.34 | ReAn | AceGUI couldn't inherit "InterfaceOptionsButtonTemplate" |
| 05:26.37 | ReAn | O.o |
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| 05:36.47 | CIA-58 | 03shefki * r81876 10PitBull/Aura/Filter.lua: PitBull_Aura: Warlock Aura Changes for WoTLK (FelHunter Auras and remove Curse of Shadow) |
| 05:39.04 | Shefki | Well that should be an end to the errors from spellids that have been removed in Wrath from the Aura module of PitBull |
| 05:40.34 | Groktar | cheers at Shefki |
| 05:47.05 | NeoTron | so our tank on Anub'rehak has the MT lose threat |
| 05:47.09 | NeoTron | is that from locus swarm? |
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| 05:48.28 | the-golem_ | e'en |
| 05:49.23 | Arrowmaster | rofl guildmates are playing with the pirate speak mod and just found /pg |
| 05:49.33 | Arrowmaster | for random pirate speak to guild chat |
| 05:51.39 | Groktar | lol |
| 05:52.47 | Arrowmaster | so glad im not ingame and only listening to their grade school laughter on vent |
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| 05:54.02 | ReAn | anyone else having issues with aceGUI / AceConfigGUI ? |
| 05:54.20 | ReAn | on beta |
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| 06:03.14 | Elgren | evening |
| 06:03.37 | Elgren | im here for my regular questions |
| 06:04.18 | Elgren | today Elgren is wondering, can he set separate bar witdh on quarts player bar, and swing timer bar? |
| 06:04.24 | Elgren | and global cooldown bar |
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| 06:21.35 | CIA-58 | 03nevcairiel * r81877 10Ace3/AceGUI-3.0/widgets/AceGUIWidget-TreeGroup.lua: |
| 06:21.35 | CIA-58 | Ace3 - AceGUI-3.0: merge fix for the latest beta patch |
| 06:21.35 | CIA-58 | - NOTE: The Blizzard Integration into the Interface Options is still broken due to a number of bugs in the FrameXML Code in this build! |
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| 06:36.13 | Groktar | sucks out Elkano's brains through his ear |
| 06:41.44 | ReAn | it's elkano! |
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| 06:49.38 | Groktar | offers Elkano's brains to ReAn |
| 06:49.50 | ReAn | s'ok |
| 06:49.52 | ReAn | i just want his mods |
| 06:49.57 | steev | ugh |
| 06:50.14 | steev | don't have my software and had to reinstall Windows |
| 06:50.21 | steev | gonna take like 8 hours to download WoW |
| 06:50.43 | steev | anyone have the app that strips the torrent out of their exe? |
| 06:50.55 | ReAn | isn't it on hackwow.org? |
| 06:51.13 | steev | i need to lower the upstream otherwise it will never download since my isp limits downloads when you are uploading at max |
| 06:51.25 | steev | i don't know |
| 06:51.32 | steev | but there is no hackwow.org |
| 06:52.19 | ReAn | i forget the actual name |
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| 06:52.30 | ReAn | one of the first sites to attack DBC files |
| 06:55.07 | steev | i found a torrent on wirebraind |
| 06:55.54 | ReAn | Elkano, you around? |
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| 07:12.38 | Pkekyo| | what gives with the fucking germans? |
| 07:12.42 | Pkekyo| | german voiceover for osama bin laden? jesus titty fucking christ |
| 07:12.46 | Pkekyo| | some things are meant to be heard as DERKA DERKA DERKA |
| 07:15.03 | Arrowmaster | steev: its called wowtorrentex |
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| 07:16.37 | iKON | do i need recount2 for the beta? |
| 07:16.44 | iKON | wotlk beta* |
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| 07:21.00 | Elgren | Pkekyo| |
| 07:21.13 | Elgren | ...... spreading more hate? |
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| 07:21.57 | Elgren | I told you to teach your brain differently, instead of looking for negative, look for possitive. |
| 07:22.05 | Elgren | You will be very much more happy Pkekyo| |
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| 07:25.48 | Pkekyo| | Elgren: what the flying fuck is positive about the bloody germans making a german bloody voiceover for bin laden? |
| 07:26.15 | Elkano | ReAn, check on curse.com, wowinterface.com or files.wowace.com |
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| 07:37.28 | NeoTron | any idea why anub'rekhan would drop aggro when he does his locust swarm thing? |
| 07:37.34 | NeoTron | is that supposed to be an aggro drop? |
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| 07:40.24 | Kalroth | He didn't in Naxx40, but I'm guessing he's easier in Naxx10/25 |
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| 07:47.55 | Fisker- | how's that easier Kalroth ? :P |
| 07:48.09 | Kalroth | in Naxx40 the tank has to kite him around |
| 07:48.24 | Kalroth | if he drops aggro in Naxx10/25, then you just MD him to another tank |
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| 07:48.47 | Fisker- | and then he takes the shortest possible route and your raids get killed by locust swarm |
| 07:49.27 | Kalroth | Or the other tank got enough brains to position himself in a way so it wont happen |
| 07:51.23 | Fisker- | Or that doesn't matter since the locust swarm was designed to go in that circle, and the direct route is one that is shorter than that circle making it so that the tank gets killed by locust swarm due to it not yet being over |
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| 07:57.23 | Ellipsis | run on sentences make baby jesus cry |
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| 07:58.23 | Pkekyo| | runs on a sentence |
| 07:59.32 | Kalroth | or run on sentences makes daddy god cry |
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| 08:01.05 | Pkekyo| | jumps up and down on the sentence |
| 08:01.23 | Fisker- | Ellipsis my baby doesn't cry |
| 08:01.55 | Pkekyo| | it just touches it's daddy inappropriately |
| 08:02.41 | Pkekyo| | d'ye like dags? |
| 08:03.09 | Groktar | touches you inappropriately |
| 08:03.30 | Pkekyo| | runs for the hills...on a sentence |
| 08:03.51 | Fisker- | or you get killed by me trying Pkekyo| |
| 08:04.11 | Fisker- | any Ellipsis why so srs? |
| 08:04.46 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis isn't serious, she just has a sushi deficit |
| 08:04.53 | Fisker- | i hate sushi |
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| 08:05.47 | Pkekyo| | zomg, we actually has a shared opinion |
| 08:06.03 | Wraithan | Heya |
| 08:06.24 | Pkekyo| | g'mornin |
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| 08:07.09 | Maldivia | Looks at nevcairiel |
| 08:07.48 | [SW]Dodge | g'morning |
| 08:12.55 | Fisker- | pees |
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| 08:16.02 | Fisker- | is unstoppable |
| 08:16.04 | Fisker- | rawr |
| 08:16.30 | [SW]Dodge | lol |
| 08:16.49 | Fisker- | >:3? |
| 08:16.59 | Shefki | Ohh yeah really? |
| 08:17.07 | [SW]Dodge | ya rly! |
| 08:17.17 | Fisker- | yes rally |
| 08:17.20 | Shefki | pulls out the catheter |
| 08:17.27 | Fisker- | wrumm wrumm |
| 08:18.52 | Fisker- | once upon a time |
| 08:18.53 | Fisker- | i lol'd |
| 08:19.01 | Fisker- | the end |
| 08:20.48 | [SW]Dodge | someone knows if winterspring quests are daylis or multiple time repeatable per day? |
| 08:22.22 | Ellipsis | which ones? |
| 08:23.34 | CrazyBenny_ | for the mount? you can repeat em how many times you want a day...but after few hours it cant get more mindnumbing :P |
| 08:24.01 | [SW]Dodge | yea the mount quests :D |
| 08:24.03 | [SW]Dodge | thanks |
| 08:24.04 | [SW]Dodge | ^^ |
| 08:24.08 | Ellipsis | yeah, they're all repeatable |
| 08:24.11 | Fisker- | sure it can CrazyBenny_ |
| 08:24.14 | Fisker- | try a few days |
| 08:24.14 | Fisker- | also |
| 08:24.16 | Ellipsis | in fact I don't think there are any dailies in winterspring |
| 08:25.51 | [SW]Dodge | yay, then i know what i do next :D |
| 08:27.17 | Fisker- | btw i hate you alliance bastards >:3 |
| 08:29.53 | Fisker- | channels a lot of hate |
| 08:30.32 | Kalroth | I'm a daily! |
| 08:30.48 | Fisker- | yeah i did the one with your mom |
| 08:33.11 | ReAn | anyone know if LibSharedMedia-3.0 works in wotlk? |
| 08:39.17 | Industrial | ReAn: try :p |
| 08:41.40 | Ellipsis | why wouldn't it? o.O |
| 08:42.02 | Ellipsis | it doesn't even use any API |
| 08:42.41 | Kalroth | RIAA sent Blizzard a letter and now sharing media isn't allowed any longer. |
| 08:42.50 | Ellipsis | I see what you did thar |
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| 08:45.08 | KriLL3 | Kalroth: sharing media? |
| 08:45.48 | Kalroth | LibSharedMedia-3.0 is obviously a P2P addon for WoW, it's no better than KaZaA or eMule. |
| 08:50.09 | KriLL3 | ? |
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| 08:51.56 | Ellipsis | KriLL3: you seem to have misplaced your sense of humor |
| 08:52.08 | KriLL3 | or I don't have a clue wtf that lib does |
| 08:53.03 | Ellipsis | ...it's the lib that's responsible for allowing all your nice happy addons to use whatever shiny bar texture / font / etc. they want |
| 08:53.19 | KriLL3 | ohnoes, font piracy! |
| 08:53.25 | Wraithan | why do commercials always have to be twice as loud as the show |
| 08:53.37 | Arrowmaster | actually yes that is an issue |
| 08:53.40 | Ellipsis | so you'll hear them from the kitchen while you make your sammich |
| 08:53.48 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 08:54.22 | KriLL3 | there has been countless attempts to ban that sort of stuff but it's not going to happen, content on a TV channel is just there to make you look at the ads |
| 08:54.41 | KriLL3 | that's the source of most of their income |
| 08:55.10 | Wraithan | watching Knight Rider on Hulu and the commercials are either really loud, or their show is REALLY quiet |
| 08:55.23 | KriLL3 | it's the commercials |
| 08:55.44 | Ellipsis | oh, I think hulu does that on purpose |
| 08:55.52 | Ellipsis | it's always been particularly annoying about ads |
| 08:55.53 | KriLL3 | well duh |
| 08:56.40 | KriLL3 | love that not even the free content is available outside the US |
| 08:57.19 | Shefki | There's an easy solution to the sound issue. |
| 08:58.41 | Wraithan | oh? |
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| 08:59.06 | Shefki | It's called a DVR and fastforward through them. :P |
| 08:59.17 | KriLL3 | I haev an awesome solution: torrent everything |
| 08:59.26 | Shefki | That works too. |
| 08:59.31 | KriLL3 | torrented shows have their ads stripped |
| 08:59.35 | Ellipsis | you dirty pirates |
| 08:59.48 | KriLL3 | Ellipsis: I pay for DVB-T |
| 08:59.59 | KriLL3 | never ever watch it, instead I download |
| 09:00.15 | Wraithan | I could just listen on my headphones then I don't have to worry about pissing off my neighbors |
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| 09:00.25 | Shefki | If I miss a show I'll torrent it ocassionally. |
| 09:00.37 | Shefki | Usually I just watch stuff off the TiVO. |
| 09:00.39 | KriLL3 | especially since they for some stupid reason thinks it's paramount to have horribly made Swedish subtitles on everything, something I neither want nor need and everything is delayed by months |
| 09:00.50 | Shefki | But ocassionally there will be a show conflict or something and I'll torrent it. |
| 09:01.38 | KriLL3 | the classic translation errors you get from just watching the dialog in text form without the subtle workings of the human voice and the actual video makes for some hilarious subs |
| 09:02.15 | KriLL3 | the core meaning of the words are lost most of the time |
| 09:02.18 | Punkie | I always find it funny how a pirated dvdrip is usually perfect from start to end however when you actually buy a DVD you have to sit there and get lectured by non-skippable adverts saying do not pirate :P |
| 09:02.19 | nocts | http://www.shacknews.com/images/image-o-matic.x?/images/sshots/Screenshot/10698/10698_48c7161254f4d.jpg <- haha :D |
| 09:02.35 | KriLL3 | Punkie: yeah that is funny |
| 09:02.56 | KriLL3 | Particle Physics Gives Me a Hadron |
| 09:03.06 | nocts | nice |
| 09:03.32 | Ellipsis | did not want to know that |
| 09:04.10 | Elkano | ok, exercises handed in :) |
| 09:04.14 | Elkano | ReAn, what did you want? |
| 09:04.50 | KriLL3 | anyone here can post on the US LK boards? I can login but not post so I'm sidelined by all blue posts :( |
| 09:05.34 | Wraithan | KriLL3: I can, whats up? |
| 09:06.19 | KriLL3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043226143&sid=2000&pageNo=4 <-- would be nice if someone made it abundantly clear to Ghostcrawler that Berserk has to have PvP viability again, it's a PvE only talent atm, we demand full CC immunity again. |
| 09:06.51 | KriLL3 | it's removed on shapeshift and we're not immune to stuns, thus get stunned/snared and your precious 51p talent is wasted |
| 09:07.44 | Wraithan | no thanks, there are already people complaining |
| 09:08.01 | KriLL3 | love that we EU players are relegated to our own forums where no blues other than functionaries ever venture, nothing we say on our boards is seen by anyone that actually has any connection to the game |
| 09:08.21 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: not in a constructive nor clear manner |
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| 09:08.41 | KriLL3 | I'd guess none of them are pvpers |
| 09:08.51 | Wraithan | Form it in a constructive and clear manner and perhaps I will post it, but saying it like you said above is useless. |
| 09:09.56 | Wraithan | pastie it or something so I don't have to reformat |
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| 09:10.35 | KriLL3 | naw, I've spent too much time trying to argue the point of the feral pvper with blizzard, they've yet to even acknowledge we exist |
| 09:10.49 | KriLL3 | everything done to the druid class is from a pve only perspective |
| 09:11.48 | Wraithan | Eh, you don't see me kicking up a shitstorm about enhancment being really broken right now |
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| 09:12.13 | Wraithan | but every feral druid I know is always complaining all the time |
| 09:12.15 | KriLL3 | the difference is that blizz actually knows that and has done something about it in LK though |
| 09:12.31 | Wraithan | yeah, they broke us further in LK |
| 09:12.36 | KriLL3 | ferals are still broken, our LK changes are closer to bugfixes than actual buffs |
| 09:12.40 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 09:13.04 | Wraithan | we are well behind all other dps in PvE, and we are lolsauce in pvp |
| 09:13.48 | KriLL3 | well dps isn't balanced yet, and I thought you were ok in PvP, though for some reason I dodge almost all attacks they do and they never ever heal themselves for some odd reason |
| 09:14.06 | Wraithan | I have fun playing my class anyway, and I give up on trying to fight a long time ago |
| 09:14.08 | KriLL3 | doesn't matter how little hp, how much mana and time they got, they never heal |
| 09:14.39 | Wraithan | I heal in BGs... in arena get trashed too fast to heal |
| 09:14.49 | Wraithan | any form of CC and I am completely useless |
| 09:15.06 | KriLL3 | yeah, and ferals getting slow poison isn't going to help any I guess |
| 09:15.14 | KriLL3 | we already trample you |
| 09:16.03 | KriLL3 | shamans can't run from druids on live, guess they'll just wimper on the beta |
| 09:16.27 | KriLL3 | travelform is a lot faster than ghostwolf, catform is faster than ghostwolf and we can charge if you try to run |
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| 09:17.04 | Wraithan | we are getting a movement imparing effect breaking abiltity but they keep changing what it is |
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| 09:17.31 | Wraithan | how fast is travel/cat? |
| 09:17.34 | Wraithan | ghost is 40 |
| 09:17.50 | Arrowmaster | 60 |
| 09:17.56 | Arrowmaster | i thought |
| 09:18.03 | Arrowmaster | or maybe its 40 |
| 09:18.07 | SunTsu | No, 40% as well |
| 09:18.14 | Wraithan | ghostwolf is 40 for sure |
| 09:18.53 | Elkano | cat 30%, travel 40% iirc |
| 09:19.04 | Elkano | but cat gets talent bonus |
| 09:19.30 | Arrowmaster | i thought cat only got speed increase outside with talents |
| 09:19.40 | Arrowmaster | changed in wotlk? |
| 09:19.41 | Wraithan | same |
| 09:19.46 | Elkano | was/will be changed |
| 09:21.21 | Corveroth | cat = 100% base, 30% outside w/talents, 30% everywhere with talents in WotKL |
| 09:22.51 | KriLL3 | and our gear ads 15% in all forms |
| 09:23.54 | KriLL3 | Arrowmaster: almost everywhere is outside in pvp already, but yes it works indoors in LK also |
| 09:24.49 | KriLL3 | I run at 149% in catform 161% in travelform 196% while dashing in catform and 115% in bearform |
| 09:25.06 | KriLL3 | 100% in caster |
| 09:27.45 | KriLL3 | so yes I can run down restos in travelform/shamans in ghostwolf using catform, and dashing I can keep up with people on mounts good enough to kill clothers |
| 09:29.12 | KriLL3 | always fun having a resto run from you in travelform only to get multiple shreds on their near unarmored form ^^ |
| 09:34.24 | [SW]Dodge | hwo does hitsmode calc dps, there seems to be something wrong :D fight duration 1sec; damage dealt 4036; dps 2632 o.o |
| 09:36.19 | KriLL3 | perhaps it lasted a bit more than 1s? |
| 09:36.52 | [SW]Dodge | maybe |
| 09:37.06 | KriLL3 | dps isn't a reliable measure in one hit fights |
| 09:37.14 | [SW]Dodge | it wasn 1hit ^^ |
| 09:37.19 | [SW]Dodge | wasnt* |
| 09:37.44 | [SW]Dodge | 1shred crit and 1 mangle(cat) crit :> |
| 09:38.48 | [SW]Dodge | ~seen cladhire |
| 09:39.13 | purl | [SW]Dodge: i haven't seen 'cladhire' |
| 09:39.13 | [SW]Dodge | mhm |
| 09:39.21 | [SW]Dodge | ~seen clad|work |
| 09:39.22 | purl | clad|work <n=ncladhai@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 450d 15h 28m 53s ago, saying: '=)'. |
| 09:39.32 | KriLL3 | [SW]Dodge: errm you should mangle then shred |
| 09:40.01 | [SW]Dodge | KriLL3: for shred i need to be behind the target |
| 09:40.12 | [SW]Dodge | but after mangle it turns his ugly face to me :E |
| 09:40.25 | [SW]Dodge | (doing Winterspring mount Quests) |
| 09:41.26 | KriLL3 | what are those quests? |
| 09:41.51 | [SW]Dodge | http://www.wowwiki.com/Wintersaber_Trainers#Reputation |
| 09:42.07 | KriLL3 | oh |
| 09:42.13 | KriLL3 | read it as wintergrasph |
| 09:42.20 | [SW]Dodge | :D |
| 09:42.44 | [SW]Dodge | wintergrasph is in northrend right? |
| 09:42.52 | KriLL3 | yeah it's the pvp zone |
| 09:42.53 | [SW]Dodge | didnt got my key yet :( |
| 09:44.10 | Kazie | It sucks.. but well... only 2 months ^^ |
| 09:44.18 | [SW]Dodge | yea ^^ |
| 09:44.32 | Kazie | I've been licking my own mailbox since the announcement of beta too ;D |
| 09:44.52 | KriLL3 | well unless you plan on going nocturnal don't bother with it, you need to log in at about 05:00 to play a few laggy mins, rest of the day the world server crashes every few mins and the rollback is enough to halt any progress you might have made |
| 09:45.06 | Kazie | It wouldn't suprise me if they send out like 50k beta keys at the last day just for the laughs :P |
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| 09:45.53 | tz8 | mornin |
| 09:46.09 | Kazie | morning tz8 |
| 09:47.21 | KriLL3 | I dunno if the US beta is any better, they got 3 servers one of which has premades, EU got one and no premades what so ever |
| 09:49.25 | tz8 | did they change stuff with the addon config window? i'm getting weird errors as the addons obviously can't find a parent |
| 09:49.45 | tz8 | and now they hook into the world frame... |
| 09:51.34 | tz8 | in beta i mean |
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| 09:54.18 | Nimbal | Can anyone explain to me why on the PTR, a change in the backpack (bagID 0) triggers the BAG_UPDATE event not only with bagIDs 0 and -2, but also with -4 and -5 ? Or is that one of those mysteries that will probably never be truly understood? |
| 09:58.34 | tz8 | oh, i see i'm not the only one to actually find out the addon config a´panel is b0rken... i made it's way to the official forum already... i'll just wait till later today for the US guys to sort it out |
| 10:03.26 | KriLL3 | is there an addon that blocks the chat of all sub level 10 or so players? |
| 10:04.24 | KriLL3 | I'm tired of level 1 bots |
| 10:06.14 | Trell_ | Yarr, there be what ye be a lookin' for over at wowace.com. |
| 10:06.35 | Trell_ | and thats my pirate talking done for the day. |
| 10:06.46 | nevcairiel | again one year passed? |
| 10:06.48 | nevcairiel | man |
| 10:07.42 | KriLL3 | the piratey disguise vanishes on shapeshift :( |
| 10:08.07 | KriLL3 | is this event new for this year or not? can't find it mentioned on wowhead or wowwiki not the NPCs involved |
| 10:08.20 | Trell_ | yeah it's new I believe |
| 10:10.43 | KriLL3 | thar be no plunder! |
| 10:11.14 | KriLL3 | not a single item is tied to the event, bah |
| 10:11.20 | KriLL3 | nor is it in the calendar |
| 10:12.06 | KriLL3 | I decree this "holyday" humbug |
| 10:14.18 | Trell_ | this is going to sound like a totally crazy question, but how raid viable is spellsurge for a resto shaman? |
| 10:14.38 | nevcairiel | i never thought it was really viable for anyone |
| 10:14.39 | nevcairiel | but huh |
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| 10:15.55 | Trell_ | only really viable if you're using the weapon swap addon then I guess |
| 10:15.58 | Wraithan | Trell_: as far as live goes, check out elitist jerks think tank |
| 10:16.23 | Wraithan | Trell_: they have a whole section on resto shaman |
| 10:16.30 | KriLL3 | that site sucks |
| 10:16.40 | Wraithan | KriLL3: why do you say that? |
| 10:16.56 | Trell_ | thing is, I have about 1900 ish healing as it stands already, using the ZA timed staff (dark mending), although I'm still hoping on the mojo shield and the dark blessing mace tbh |
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| 10:17.14 | KriLL3 | because that's my opinion after reading their druid sections, it's mostly inaccurate |
| 10:17.23 | Trell_ | and the problem im facing is that obviously +81 healing is the normal enchant, but for the cost of it, im not sure whether to look into something else |
| 10:17.25 | Wraithan | KriLL3: their shaman section is top notch |
| 10:17.36 | Trell_ | since the main thing im having problems with is mana regen >< |
| 10:17.49 | Trell_ | and KriLL3; it's the best resource for most classes, I've found |
| 10:17.58 | Wraithan | Trell_: like i said check out that site, it is one of (if not the best) for resto shaman |
| 10:18.19 | Wraithan | KriLL3: let me guess, they don't understand pvp druids either? |
| 10:18.30 | KriLL3 | I don't think they're even mentioned |
| 10:18.35 | Wraithan | KriLL3: just like no one understands them, bliz hates them, blah blah blah QQ |
| 10:19.01 | KriLL3 | blizz just doesn't ever consider that we exist, they balance all feral aspects around pve |
| 10:19.09 | nevcairiel | EJ is mostly focused on PvE performance numbers anyway |
| 10:19.46 | Wraithan | I thought there was AJ or something liek that for the PvPers |
| 10:20.30 | Trell_ | KriLL3; what is this 'PvP' that you speak of? |
| 10:20.32 | Wraithan | Only been to the Arena Junkies site like once, browsed around for enhancement shaman stuff and most of it led to respec to resto or ele for pvp lol |
| 10:20.35 | KriLL3 | I've seen some, but they also only refer to resto pvp =P |
| 10:20.52 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: yeah same with feral |
| 10:21.01 | KriLL3 | and they had some completely insane tactics |
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| 10:21.12 | KriLL3 | go for the priest in hunter priest for example |
| 10:21.46 | KriLL3 | if you do that the hunter just puts down iceslick near a pillar and the priest can run around it forever, and the hunter has a clear LOS and nice range to you |
| 10:23.27 | KriLL3 | you need to hug the hunter as if your life depended on it (which it does, they deal almost no dmg in melee / their small deadzone) and you take the hunter down slow but sure, then the priest goes oom and you pay jim just enough attention to stop him drinking, and kill the hunter |
| 10:34.22 | CIA-58 | 03lilsparky * r81878 10Baggins_SectionColor/: |
| 10:34.22 | CIA-58 | Baggins_SectionColor: |
| 10:34.22 | CIA-58 | -initial import |
| 10:39.59 | CIA-58 | 03lilsparky * r81879 10Baggins_SectionColor/ (Baggins_SectionColor.lua Baggins_SectionColor.toc): |
| 10:39.59 | CIA-58 | Baggins_SectionColor: |
| 10:39.59 | CIA-58 | -initial commit |
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| 10:57.19 | mitch0 | heyho, someone's working on baggins? |
| 10:57.22 | mitch0 | nice |
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| 10:57.42 | Ellipsis | just a plugin for it |
| 10:57.46 | mitch0 | :( |
| 10:58.09 | mitch0 | whatever happened to the original author? is he still around? |
| 10:58.16 | Nargiddley | waves |
| 10:58.22 | mitch0 | hey! |
| 10:58.26 | mitch0 | good to see you ;) |
| 10:58.35 | mitch0 | so, what's the plan for baggins? :) |
| 10:58.41 | Nargiddley | Ace3 distracted me :P |
| 10:58.52 | Nargiddley | Rewrite when I get a chance |
| 10:58.56 | mitch0 | oh |
| 10:59.02 | mitch0 | is it that bad? :) |
| 10:59.06 | Nargiddley | but I'm not getting much time to work on things |
| 10:59.08 | Nargiddley | nah |
| 10:59.31 | mitch0 | would it be possible to just quickly fix it up for wotlk? (if it broke at all) |
| 10:59.42 | Nargiddley | its not broken |
| 10:59.46 | mitch0 | cool |
| 10:59.58 | Nargiddley | it'll just need some updated Item types etc I think |
| 11:00.52 | KriLL3 | always tactic when an old and trusted addon goes bye-bye |
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| 11:01.03 | nevcairiel | tactic? |
| 11:01.09 | KriLL3 | ... wtf |
| 11:01.11 | KriLL3 | *tragic |
| 11:02.00 | mitch0 | btw, what's the status with fubar? is it replaced by something? |
| 11:02.16 | KriLL3 | does titanbar work with LK? |
| 11:02.25 | KriLL3 | it's not as good but it's something |
| 11:02.27 | mitch0 | (haven't seen wow for 4-5 months, trying to get up to speed) |
| 11:02.40 | nevcairiel | we stopped using fubar and use databroker stuff now |
| 11:02.44 | nevcairiel | Fortress for me |
| 11:02.50 | KriLL3 | is that a bar? |
| 11:04.34 | mitch0 | nev: is there a release site for those? (just like to check what those actually are ;) |
| 11:04.56 | nevcairiel | i dunno, maybe on wowi |
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| 11:07.57 | mitch0 | interesting |
| 11:11.57 | nevcairiel | on new wowace we will have our own project pages though, finally |
| 11:12.08 | [Ammo] | yarrr |
| 11:12.12 | KriLL3 | instead of a wiki? |
| 11:12.18 | nevcairiel | ya |
| 11:12.22 | [Ammo] | wiki is made of fail |
| 11:12.31 | [Ammo] | but that's my personal hatred |
| 11:12.39 | nevcairiel | the pages still use wiki syntax, or rather can use |
| 11:12.41 | KriLL3 | I always wondered why the projects were on a wiki and all comments on a forum |
| 11:12.47 | nevcairiel | you can also use html or just plain text |
| 11:13.26 | KriLL3 | wiki makes sense when you want your community to input changes, which you don't with a page about an addon, and it doesn't have a proper comment system |
| 11:13.40 | KriLL3 | sure you can manually edit in comments but that's inefficient and problematic |
| 11:14.08 | nevcairiel | anyway i'm off watching new supernatural |
| 11:14.16 | KriLL3 | if 2 more or people ad one at a time you can get a lot of missing ones, and they could vandalize the main post |
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| 11:40.04 | Daemona | hmm is pirates day all about that 12h costum?! |
| 11:40.07 | Daemona | wtf |
| 11:40.08 | Daemona | ... |
| 11:40.14 | KriLL3 | yes |
| 11:40.18 | KriLL3 | and it's removed on shapeshift |
| 11:40.33 | Daemona | rogue stealth works though |
| 11:40.34 | Fisker- | good news KriLL3 |
| 11:40.43 | Fisker- | yeah because stealthing = shapeshifting |
| 11:40.51 | KriLL3 | no it isn't |
| 11:40.58 | Fisker- | oh yes it is |
| 11:47.30 | Tamaroth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AzpByR3MvI |
| 11:47.39 | Tamaroth | let's celebrate! |
| 11:50.46 | [SW]Dodge | hmm reputation bar in pitbull does not update on rep gain :( |
| 11:50.58 | [SW]Dodge | i have to mouseover it first |
| 11:51.05 | KriLL3 | I'm a paying member of The Pirate Party, ofc I'm a pirate. |
| 11:51.24 | KriLL3 | [SW]Dodge: pitbull got a rep bar? never saw that |
| 11:51.37 | KriLL3 | I use NoXPBar or something like that for rep |
| 11:51.57 | [SW]Dodge | pitbull has a rep bar since i'm using it |
| 11:52.07 | [SW]Dodge | for about 1 year i think |
| 11:52.08 | KriLL3 | *XPBarNone |
| 11:52.33 | KriLL3 | I don't like having a rep/xp bar on the character frame |
| 11:53.20 | [SW]Dodge | hehe, just enable it if i really farm rep, but i dont do it that often that i could want to get an extra addon for taht^^ |
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| 12:02.02 | phyber | KriLL3: don't suppose you're in the beta/ptr and tried XPBarNone over there with updated libs? I've been slacking and didn't test anything at all yet :p |
| 12:02.21 | KriLL3 | no I haven't tried it |
| 12:02.28 | phyber | not that it does anything fancy, i don't think it will break as long as the libs work. |
| 12:02.32 | KriLL3 | I'm using the default UI so no need for another XP bar |
| 12:02.53 | KriLL3 | there is no bar addon that works reliably yet from what I understand |
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| 12:06.14 | KriLL3 | how does multi seat mounts work? does that mount you get in dalarand work everywhere? can you take your friends for a ride? |
| 12:07.10 | nevcairiel | other people in your party just get that vehicle arrow |
| 12:07.13 | nevcairiel | and can jump on |
| 12:07.40 | SunTsu | I always wanted that |
| 12:07.42 | KriLL3 | can the passengers still cast etc? |
| 12:07.48 | nevcairiel | of course not |
| 12:07.50 | nevcairiel | its a mount |
| 12:07.56 | KriLL3 | :( |
| 12:07.59 | nevcairiel | not some combat tank |
| 12:08.23 | KriLL3 | so they can just twiddle their thumbs? |
| 12:09.03 | Daemona | hint: if you dont have the highlevel enchanting rod now, wait till 3.0 hits live |
| 12:09.11 | Daemona | will make it cheaper by about 4 primal might ;) |
| 12:09.18 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 12:09.24 | nevcairiel | i figured they would |
| 12:09.45 | KriLL3 | prices have already fallen steeply |
| 12:09.49 | Daemona | 12 planar, 2 void, 4 might -> 6 planar, 6 dust (+new and old rod) |
| 12:09.51 | nevcairiel | it was so extremly expensive, silly for people that just want to skill up |
| 12:10.01 | KriLL3 | people who've been hoarding mats sell it all |
| 12:10.16 | Daemona | i am sitting on 1k dust and 600+ planar :( |
| 12:10.26 | Daemona | if i dump that, the market will implode |
| 12:10.31 | syeren | Daemona. |
| 12:10.34 | syeren | On Stormscale EU. |
| 12:10.35 | nevcairiel | dont dump all at a time =P |
| 12:10.35 | KriLL3 | do it a bit at a time |
| 12:10.39 | syeren | PLanars go for 25G-30G. |
| 12:10.44 | syeren | Have done for the last 3 months >_> |
| 12:10.57 | Daemona | i was selling em for 18-20 |
| 12:10.59 | Daemona | and was fine |
| 12:11.07 | Daemona | lately they fell to 8-10 |
| 12:11.09 | Daemona | not selling atm |
| 12:11.11 | KriLL3 | I started selling mats weeks ago in preperation |
| 12:11.20 | Daemona | i permanently sell |
| 12:11.22 | KriLL3 | now I just sell what I gain |
| 12:11.25 | Daemona | but my stock isnt getting less |
| 12:11.42 | KriLL3 | I had a huge stockpile of primals, cloth, metal etc |
| 12:11.57 | KriLL3 | figured quite early that even the LK announcement would slash prices |
| 12:11.59 | Daemona | i stocked up on herbs though in anticipation of inscription |
| 12:12.13 | Daemona | KriLL3 my whole wealth comes from the AH |
| 12:12.17 | nevcairiel | I still have a shitload of nethercloth, and cant really sell them now <.< |
| 12:12.19 | KriLL3 | I'll remain miner/engineer |
| 12:12.25 | Daemona | i am heavy into enchant mats sale and resale |
| 12:12.35 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: make into heavy bandages and sell to vendor |
| 12:12.48 | Daemona | yeah bet bet if the stack runs too cheap |
| 12:13.06 | KriLL3 | Daemona: I do 23 dailies a day, that's where I get my money from + mining & [Zapthrottle Mote Extractor] |
| 12:13.21 | nevcairiel | the mote exttractor is so win :) |
| 12:13.26 | Daemona | cant be assed to do daily quests when sitting on a pile of 75k+ ;) |
| 12:13.44 | Daemona | just from 30 minutes a day on the AH |
| 12:13.45 | KriLL3 | on my server selling to vendor is just about the same as selling it on the AH, you get a bit more on the AH but the deposit + AH cut = the same as vendor, now when prices go down it's astonishing people still sell it on AH |
| 12:14.07 | KriLL3 | it's just low enough not to be profitable to buy it all and make into bandages, but the sellers are loosing money on not doing it themselves |
| 12:14.41 | KriLL3 | guess they cba making that many bandages |
| 12:14.59 | KriLL3 | blizz needs to slash/remove the cast time of those imo |
| 12:22.38 | Fisker- | why so nevcairiel ? |
| 12:23.37 | orionshock | i want to figure out how to get a tradeskill spell on to my action bar... |
| 12:23.45 | orionshock | i wana know how the F that happened |
| 12:25.34 | Daemona | like "/cast heavy netherweave bandage" |
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| 12:28.51 | Adirelle|work | Fisker-: one nagrand run with mote extractor will bring you one to two primal airs, if not more |
| 12:29.16 | Adirelle|work | with 250% mount it is a matter of 10 minutes |
| 12:29.19 | Adirelle|work | 280* |
| 12:30.04 | SunTsu | Fisker-: One hour farming in SMV will give you 7 to 9 primal shadows |
| 12:30.13 | orionshock | Daemona: sorta |
| 12:30.29 | orionshock | but it actually makes the item not uses it |
| 12:31.47 | Daemona | can you say "gladiator paladin mote extractor farmin" ? ;) |
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| 12:34.11 | KriLL3 | I use swift flight and I'm a miner also so I stop for veins and clouds |
| 12:34.35 | SunTsu | KriLL3: Yeah, I do, which is totally win |
| 12:34.54 | KriLL3 | too bad we can't use the extractor or mine in flightform |
| 12:35.12 | KriLL3 | so many clouds just a bit too far away from a floating island |
| 12:35.31 | SunTsu | KriLL3: I hope they fix it any time soon |
| 12:35.44 | KriLL3 | I doubt it |
| 12:35.54 | KriLL3 | motes and primals don't matter after LK comes out |
| 12:36.01 | Industrial | how so |
| 12:36.06 | Industrial | new enchants no longer need em? |
| 12:36.08 | KriLL3 | there are new ones |
| 12:36.11 | SunTsu | KriLL3: There are clouds in northrend, too |
| 12:36.22 | Industrial | oh just new primals? |
| 12:36.27 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: are there any flying islands? |
| 12:36.35 | KriLL3 | Industrial: they're not called primals anymore |
| 12:36.43 | Industrial | k |
| 12:36.50 | KriLL3 | forgot what they're called, but the motes are "crystallized" |
| 12:37.01 | Industrial | "crystals |
| 12:37.03 | Industrial | " |
| 12:37.04 | SunTsu | KriLL3: I don't know, but I sometimes see them foating in the air far away from islands |
| 12:37.05 | Industrial | xD |
| 12:37.25 | KriLL3 | Crystallized Air -> Eternal Air etc |
| 12:37.43 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: yay |
| 12:38.58 | SunTsu | My hunter is mining and engineering, which basically makes it a hunter-gatherer |
| 12:41.15 | kagaro | KriLL3: you got a list of the new cloud names? |
| 12:41.24 | KriLL3 | I haven't even seen em |
| 12:42.22 | KriLL3 | http://www.threepanelsoul.com/ <-- lol XD |
| 12:42.44 | KriLL3 | Crab yells at DK: "My family was wiped out by the scourge!" |
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| 12:47.35 | Fisker- | lol |
| 12:47.40 | Fisker- | "All users can log in now, not just a select few alpha testers that we had previously." |
| 12:47.51 | Fisker- | wonders how i was selected as a "select few alpha testers" >:3 |
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| 12:47.59 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 12:48.00 | Fisker- | that's just madness |
| 12:48.07 | Fisker- | http://beta.wowace.com/announcements/beta-phase-commencing-updated-date/ |
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| 12:49.37 | Industrial | what? |
| 12:49.39 | Industrial | beta.wowace? |
| 12:49.41 | Industrial | what is this? |
| 12:49.54 | Stanzilla | guess! |
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| 12:50.12 | Industrial | wtg keeping everything in a 3 page thread noone cba to read |
| 12:50.16 | Industrial | 30* |
| 12:51.07 | Industrial | not like i'll have anything to do with it anyway! |
| 12:51.50 | kenlyric | what say you now? |
| 12:52.02 | kenlyric | would you rather have 30 threads? |
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| 12:52.14 | kenlyric | and I think everything you need to know is on the beta page, anyway |
| 12:52.18 | Industrial | yeah, so I can filter out the shit ones |
| 12:52.32 | Industrial | instead of having to read 30 pages |
| 12:52.51 | KriLL3 | what does this mean for the end users? |
| 12:53.15 | Industrial | that some move off because it's now needed to have a Curse account, and some won't |
| 12:53.30 | Industrial | in my case, I dont care because I haven't used the wowace svn .. in years anyway :p |
| 12:53.35 | KriLL3 | and WAU is killed of also right? |
| 12:53.49 | Industrial | yes, but theres a Curse (tm) (r) Updater |
| 12:53.51 | kenlyric | wau won't be updated, no |
| 12:53.57 | KriLL3 | Industrial: that doesn't work |
| 12:54.02 | kenlyric | but access to the mods uses an open interface |
| 12:54.05 | Industrial | I agree! |
| 12:54.05 | kenlyric | anyone can write a replacement |
| 12:54.15 | Industrial | so why not update wau then |
| 12:54.17 | Industrial | ;) |
| 12:54.19 | Industrial | politics! |
| 12:54.42 | KriLL3 | Industrial: no it actually doesn't work |
| 12:54.43 | kenlyric | because the people that kept it on life support never wanted to do it in the first place. |
| 12:54.48 | KriLL3 | it crashes |
| 12:54.54 | KriLL3 | it's buggy |
| 12:55.15 | KriLL3 | It's yet to manage updating anything for me |
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| 12:59.52 | kenlyric | oh god, the harbinger of death comes |
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| 13:00.29 | KriLL3 | I wounder if town leader kills will be awarded for past ones |
| 13:00.41 | nevcairiel | probably not |
| 13:00.49 | KriLL3 | back when raiding a town actually was possible and was a good way to get honor |
| 13:00.52 | kenlyric | definitely not |
| 13:00.55 | KriLL3 | :( |
| 13:00.58 | KriLL3 | kinda impossible now |
| 13:01.04 | kenlyric | otherwise they'd be feats of strength |
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| 13:01.11 | KriLL3 | unless you got a guild together and all go it 4 in the morning or something |
| 13:01.16 | kenlyric | raiding a town is much easier now |
| 13:01.19 | kenlyric | no DK |
| 13:01.22 | nevcairiel | why a feat of strength? Its still possible |
| 13:01.23 | kenlyric | DHK |
| 13:01.24 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 13:01.28 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 13:01.50 | KriLL3 | I don't know what DHK is |
| 13:01.58 | nevcairiel | dishonorable kills, probably |
| 13:01.59 | kenlyric | dishonorable kill |
| 13:02.13 | kenlyric | the bane of city raids |
| 13:02.41 | KriLL3 | bah you could ignore low level players, the problem now is that there are so much more players and they know the tactics to get into towns |
| 13:02.59 | kenlyric | sure, you could |
| 13:03.03 | kenlyric | but there was always some idiot |
| 13:03.06 | KriLL3 | I remember creeping through the sewer route to kill sylvannas, trying to remain unseen by the other players |
| 13:03.37 | KriLL3 | my old timey guild killed her long before we cleared MC |
| 13:03.51 | nevcairiel | sylvannas was always easy |
| 13:03.57 | nevcairiel | no one idles in UC |
| 13:04.02 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 13:04.15 | KriLL3 | so is the cow in TB |
| 13:04.35 | nevcairiel | orgrimmar was always the hardest, mostly because the server would just crash if too many people show up and fight =P |
| 13:04.57 | KriLL3 | darnassus was the least visited town of the alliance after prior to exodar but I recall him being a mean sob |
| 13:05.06 | nevcairiel | its a her |
| 13:05.11 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 13:05.23 | nevcairiel | tyrande? |
| 13:05.23 | Josh_Borke | the leader in darnassus is a she |
| 13:05.25 | KriLL3 | no the town boss is the arch druid guy |
| 13:05.32 | kenlyric | uh |
| 13:05.33 | kenlyric | no |
| 13:05.37 | kenlyric | he's just A boss |
| 13:05.38 | KriLL3 | uh, yes |
| 13:05.38 | nevcairiel | I'm pretty sure its tyrande |
| 13:05.42 | kenlyric | tyrande runs the show |
| 13:05.47 | kenlyric | that's why he's so pissy |
| 13:06.41 | KriLL3 | odd, all town raids on darnassus focused on the arch druid |
| 13:06.41 | nevcairiel | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?achievement=617 |
| 13:06.46 | nevcairiel | thats the achievement |
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| 13:06.49 | KriLL3 | yeah saw it |
| 13:06.50 | nevcairiel | Kill High Priestess Tyrande Whisperwind. |
| 13:08.15 | SunTsu | .o0( Fandral Staghelm is pissed off, because he wants to be da man! ) |
| 13:08.41 | KriLL3 | I don't trust that guy, he's way to aggro for a druid |
| 13:08.55 | KriLL3 | and he wants morrowgrain which can be used for curses |
| 13:09.04 | SunTsu | KriLL3: Yeah, because he is not running the show |
| 13:09.22 | kenlyric | the arch druid had fewer guards |
| 13:09.41 | KriLL3 | kenlyric: but he did an aoe root and moonfire spam |
| 13:09.45 | kenlyric | and you could effectively sneak around to the back of his building |
| 13:09.49 | SunTsu | And he is the one who wanted to redo Nordrassil and created teldrassil... |
| 13:09.54 | KriLL3 | "One of the most difficult Alliance faction leaders" |
| 13:10.00 | KriLL3 | ...? |
| 13:10.09 | kenlyric | I hope elune comes and punches him |
| 13:10.10 | KriLL3 | straight out of wowwiki |
| 13:10.11 | SunTsu | KriLL3: Cenarion circle |
| 13:10.16 | KriLL3 | oh |
| 13:12.01 | orionshock | Maldivia: ping? |
| 13:12.58 | SunTsu | But wowwiki shows both Whisperwind and Staghelm as leaders of Darnassus |
| 13:13.23 | kenlyric | the pope in stromwind is a Boss too |
| 13:14.01 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: perhaps someone got confused by the fact that almost all town raids on darnassus go for Staghelm |
| 13:14.48 | kenlyric | well, lore wise, he does run the druids |
| 13:15.04 | KriLL3 | in part |
| 13:15.10 | kenlyric | no, completely |
| 13:15.22 | KriLL3 | druids don't have a clear power structure nor are they only of one group |
| 13:15.26 | SunTsu | kenlyric: Yeah, and Whisperwind the priests of elune |
| 13:15.39 | kenlyric | and the sentinals |
| 13:15.56 | nevcairiel | the priests used to run the whole nelfs before the druids regained power, before malfurion |
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| 13:16.13 | SunTsu | So, both seem to rule over a part of Darnassus |
| 13:16.35 | nevcairiel | staghelm is pissed that tyrande has more power though |
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| 13:17.04 | JY` | staghelm is antipathic |
| 13:17.15 | JY` | more than tyrande |
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| 13:17.57 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: Yeah, and that's now wonder, recalling her relationship to Malfurion |
| 13:21.05 | KriLL3 | remember also that Staghelm is relatively young, he wasn't around during the war of the ancients |
| 13:21.49 | kenlyric | why is that quest called "Immortal No More"? |
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| 13:22.01 | KriLL3 | NEs were immortal?... |
| 13:22.07 | nevcairiel | because tyrande is immortal |
| 13:22.10 | kenlyric | right, but they aren't now. |
| 13:22.13 | kenlyric | she is? |
| 13:22.16 | kenlyric | didn't she give that up? |
| 13:22.19 | KriLL3 | no she isn't |
| 13:22.27 | kenlyric | wisps! |
| 13:22.33 | KriLL3 | all NEs stopped being immortal at the end of WC3 |
| 13:22.38 | kenlyric | i'm sorry, why can't wisp for detonate? |
| 13:22.43 | kenlyric | *form |
| 13:22.44 | SunTsu | They all gave it up by blowing up Nordrassil |
| 13:22.57 | SunTsu | to stop Archimonde |
| 13:23.09 | KriLL3 | We didn't even get a thank you note. |
| 13:23.28 | KriLL3 | Ungrateful :< |
| 13:23.43 | kenlyric | well, you did start it |
| 13:23.48 | kenlyric | so, suck it |
| 13:24.21 | SunTsu | KriLL3: Just try to get a "I'm sorry"-Card from Azshara ;) |
| 13:24.28 | KriLL3 | they would have come here sooner or later anyway, and it was just a select few that did it, they're nagas now, blame them |
| 13:24.53 | kenlyric | they were the government, and we all know the government gets its power at the consent of the people |
| 13:25.09 | kenlyric | how does it work having a royal family when you're immortal? |
| 13:25.17 | kenlyric | it must get complicated |
| 13:25.37 | nevcairiel | you have one queen for ever |
| 13:25.43 | nevcairiel | until she calls the demons |
| 13:25.43 | nevcairiel | =P |
| 13:25.46 | SunTsu | Or unless she is killed |
| 13:25.48 | KriLL3 | kenlyric: if you read the lore you'd know the highborne didn't exactly rule a democracy |
| 13:25.50 | Wobin | bah |
| 13:25.53 | kenlyric | I think what you have is a lot of in-family killing |
| 13:25.58 | Wobin | whoever decided to have maintenence on launch day =P |
| 13:26.09 | kenlyric | KriLL3: it's true of dictatorships too |
| 13:26.33 | KriLL3 | kenlyric: technically speaking a monarchy is a dictatorship |
| 13:26.43 | kenlyric | yes |
| 13:26.45 | KriLL3 | but a dictator can be benevolent or a tyrant |
| 13:26.47 | kenlyric | KriLL3: it's true of dictatorships too |
| 13:26.49 | kenlyric | see above |
| 13:27.27 | kenlyric | the concept is that even in a dictatorship, the dictator rules only with the consent of the people |
| 13:27.40 | KriLL3 | that's usually not true |
| 13:27.40 | kenlyric | because if they really didn't like him, they'd get rid of him. |
| 13:27.54 | SunTsu | kenlyric: If they have the power to do so |
| 13:27.57 | kenlyric | implied consent through inaction |
| 13:28.16 | kenlyric | the people tend to outnumber the government by many thousands to 1 |
| 13:28.23 | kenlyric | they always have the power |
| 13:28.35 | kenlyric | they just typically choose not to exercise it |
| 13:28.52 | nevcairiel | with enough fear, it probably works anyway |
| 13:29.02 | KriLL3 | kenlyric: you're forgetting that most dictators ensures their people don't have the means to do it, and got large enough forces to subdue them |
| 13:29.28 | kenlyric | it's only a large enough force if the people aren't willing to make a larger force |
| 13:29.33 | kenlyric | that's the history of revolution |
| 13:30.02 | KriLL3 | even if you could gather such a force you'd need training and weapons |
| 13:30.13 | KriLL3 | both of which are limited by a dictator to ensure his reign |
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| 13:31.51 | SunTsu | kenlyric: Think of "divide et impera" |
| 13:32.08 | kenlyric | simply tools of manipulation |
| 13:32.12 | KriLL3 | divide and conquer |
| 13:32.17 | kenlyric | the power still rests in the hands of the people |
| 13:32.35 | kenlyric | if it was easy there wouldn't be any dictators |
| 13:32.38 | kenlyric | it's obviously hard |
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| 13:33.07 | KriLL3 | even with 1:1000 numbers between civilians and military the civilians loose without training and weapons, unarmed rabble vs soldiers doesn't work |
| 13:33.07 | SunTsu | kenlyric: Force and weapons normally are in the dictator's hands |
| 13:41.05 | kenlyric | oh, I was looking in all the wrong places. |
| 13:41.09 | kenlyric | "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it," |
| 13:44.30 | kenlyric | and if you think a military, no matter how well armed, can stand for long when the entirety of its citizenship rises up, you haven't been paying attention to history. |
| 13:44.31 | kenlyric | things fall apart, the center cannot hold |
| 13:44.38 | kenlyric | particularly something like the US military, it's very much reliant on the civilian structures around it. |
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| 14:27.48 | Ironhand | I'm experimenting with DKPMon/Bidder, and I'm completely unable to load anything in the loot distribution window through the /dkp biditem command... no error message, and when I call up the loot window it's still not listing any loot |
| 14:27.59 | Ironhand | what might I be doing wrong? |
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| 14:40.36 | CIA-58 | Cryolysis2: |
| 14:40.36 | CIA-58 | - minor fixes in ruRU locale |
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| 15:07.27 | CIA-58 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 15:07.27 | CIA-58 | - Fix a data miner bug with factions |
| 15:07.28 | CIA-58 | - Re ran data miner, commented out the few pieces where wowdb has incomplete data |
| 15:17.26 | Tinyboom | anyone here working on cryolysis2/3? |
| 15:17.33 | kenlyric | wowdb.. heathen! |
| 15:17.39 | kenlyric | oops! |
| 15:17.43 | kenlyric | ALL HAIL CURSE |
| 15:17.47 | Tinyboom | lol |
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| 15:18.33 | KriLL3 | I've read that your arena points will reset at 71, but what about honor? |
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| 15:21.02 | dodga | all hail hypnotoad! |
| 15:23.44 | Vulcanus | Tinyboom: Haven't worked on it for ages but my name is still in the toc :p What'you need? |
| 15:24.15 | ckknight | kenlyric: ? |
| 15:24.39 | kenlyric | poor ck, his humor nodes have all died |
| 15:24.53 | kenlyric | don't you know, it's cool to be against the establishment! |
| 15:24.53 | Tinyboom | just wondering why it still fails when i choose not to embed, had to manually get the embedded version for ages, something to do with libbars... which should have been disabled afaik |
| 15:25.04 | kenlyric | oh god I'm having like wicked dejavu |
| 15:25.13 | Vulcanus | Im fairly certain I committed the fixes for libbars |
| 15:25.14 | kenlyric | except libbars |
| 15:25.15 | Vulcanus | lemme check |
| 15:25.16 | kenlyric | I know that's new |
| 15:25.21 | Tinyboom | testing it |
| 15:25.32 | Vulcanus | ok maybe I didnt |
| 15:25.33 | Vulcanus | XD |
| 15:25.36 | Tinyboom | hehe |
| 15:26.57 | CIA-58 | 03belazor * r81883 10Cryolysis2/ (Cryolysis2.lua buttons/sphere.lua core/events.lua): |
| 15:26.57 | CIA-58 | Cryolysis2: |
| 15:26.57 | CIA-58 | - Get rid of moar LibBars stuff |
| 15:26.58 | Tinyboom | well, if you can bother to commit it i would love it, but no hassle :) just thought it was done quite a while ago :) |
| 15:27.01 | Tinyboom | thanks :D |
| 15:27.10 | Vulcanus | np |
| 15:27.18 | Pkekyo| | WTS 1x [Clusterfuck] |
| 15:27.30 | Vulcanus | I really should work more on Cryo3, but ugh, so much to do these days |
| 15:27.40 | Tinyboom | lol, you answer me before i get to asking :p |
| 15:27.51 | Tinyboom | stop stealing my brainwaves :p |
| 15:27.54 | Vulcanus | XD |
| 15:28.42 | Vulcanus | school till 5pm every weekday then raiding at 7pm, and Im also working on a forum RPG php script |
| 15:28.42 | Tinyboom | ouch |
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| 15:28.43 | Tinyboom | how's it working atm? tried it a while ago, but was missing to much functionality at the time |
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| 15:29.13 | Vulcanus | Dunno what it had when you tried, but reagent restocking and mount/custom buttons work, as does the main sphere tracking various things |
| 15:29.46 | Vulcanus | nothing class-specific added, beyond evocation cooldown on tooltip on the evoc button |
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| 15:30.34 | Tinyboom | kk, gonna enable it again and test a little :) |
| 15:31.57 | Vulcanus | feel free to commit to it if you know lua XD |
| 15:32.22 | fewyn | rawr |
| 15:32.33 | fewyn | Vulcanus is full of fail |
| 15:32.35 | fewyn | srsly |
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| 15:54.15 | harl | http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5434687 |
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| 16:22.48 | Obelixprime | is there a random mount addon? |
| 16:23.00 | fewyn | i use mountiful |
| 16:23.06 | fewyn | it's on wowi |
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| 16:33.15 | CIA-58 | 03ackis 07NewDB * r81884 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:33.15 | CIA-58 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 16:33.15 | CIA-58 | - Locations work |
| 16:33.15 | CIA-58 | - Commented out bad data stuff again |
| 16:33.15 | CIA-58 | - Everything compiles |
| 16:33.16 | CIA-58 | - Need to play around with coords to get them to work "better" |
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| 16:40.35 | [dRaCo] | Obelixprime: /castrandom should work, too |
| 16:44.18 | KriLL3 | you'd need to add all your mounts to the macro manually, edit it each time you got a new one and it wouldn't hold all your mounts due to the max length of a macro |
| 16:44.38 | KriLL3 | I wish I could make more use of all my cool mounts but swift flightform makes them all redundant :< |
| 16:45.43 | nevcairiel | i use my 310% dragon for long travels, and flight form for that like "too lazy to walk over there" |
| 16:45.59 | Fisker- | already suggested /randonmount for most appropiate random mount |
| 16:46.02 | Fisker- | but noooo |
| 16:46.02 | Fisker- | etc. |
| 16:46.05 | KriLL3 | I'm feral, I don't have a 310% dragon |
| 16:46.19 | nevcairiel | would be easy to write an addon do that Fisker- |
| 16:46.28 | Fisker- | perhaps |
| 16:46.40 | Fisker- | But they're the ones giving us infinite mount storage |
| 16:47.01 | Megalon | hm, they changed charm of the swift flight to -115 mana on flight/travel form shapeshifts |
| 16:47.02 | Megalon | :C |
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| 16:47.11 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 16:47.15 | nevcairiel | how useless :P |
| 16:47.17 | Carancu | what the? |
| 16:47.36 | Megalon | and i wondered |
| 16:47.38 | KriLL3 | well isn't the crop(s) also going to be useless? |
| 16:47.45 | Megalon | why since last patch, flightform felt so slow |
| 16:48.05 | Megalon | KriLL3: yea, but the charm worked till the last patch with +10% speed ;> |
| 16:48.21 | CIA-58 | 03Allara 07WotLK * r81885 10HitsMode/ (5 files in 2 dirs): HitsMode: WotLK changes |
| 16:48.38 | Fisker- | are eu forums slow? |
| 16:48.41 | Carancu | so, now we have to remeber to equip the trinket before we take off, sounds like a trinket that will just fill a bankslot :P |
| 16:48.51 | KriLL3 | Megalon: what % is it live? |
| 16:49.01 | nevcairiel | Carancu: sounds like throw-away |
| 16:49.15 | Carancu | I guess you are right Nev |
| 16:49.18 | KriLL3 | I'll save it in case they change it |
| 16:49.21 | nevcairiel | totally useless |
| 16:49.28 | Fisker- | nevcairiel you has teh answer |
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| 16:53.33 | CIA-58 | 03kagaro 07NewDB * r81886 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList/ARLDataminer.lua: AckisRecipeList: optimized part 1 of the miner for ackis |
| 16:55.49 | KriLL3 | I don't know about you, but I've yet to go oom from using (Swift) Flight Form |
| 16:56.12 | KriLL3 | doesn't matter how I fling about in shattrath using it over and over to break my fall etc |
| 16:57.00 | KriLL3 | does palas still retain their aura of the crusader? |
| 16:57.22 | KriLL3 | aka can they fly a lot faster than everyone else now that Charm of Swift Flight and crops are useless? |
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| 16:59.27 | nevcairiel | according to wowhead its still there |
| 16:59.32 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 16:59.38 | nevcairiel | well blizz wants to add some new way to crop |
| 16:59.45 | nevcairiel | without a trinket |
| 16:59.50 | nevcairiel | probably a minor glyph or so |
| 16:59.51 | Fisker- | tickles |
| 16:59.53 | KriLL3 | just make the item itself passive |
| 17:00.01 | KriLL3 | keep it in your inventory and it works |
| 17:00.10 | KriLL3 | like charms from D2 |
| 17:00.10 | vhaarr | well they were going to make it an enchant for your mount? what happened to that idea? |
| 17:00.11 | nevcairiel | that would be a first |
| 17:00.24 | KriLL3 | vhaarr: mounts stopped being items |
| 17:00.25 | Dashkal | I could see it working. There are items that apply auras simply by being there |
| 17:00.30 | nevcairiel | vhaarr: that was dumped when tehy removed the mount-item plan |
| 17:00.37 | nevcairiel | now you learn a mount, and it vanishes |
| 17:00.41 | vhaarr | so you apply the crop enchant to the mount item before you learn the mount? |
| 17:00.45 | vhaarr | problem solved |
| 17:00.46 | Dashkal | Consider the U.D.E.D. bombs in storm peaks |
| 17:00.47 | nevcairiel | kinda silly |
| 17:01.01 | Dashkal | vhaarr: Think class special mounts |
| 17:01.23 | vhaarr | Dashkal: what about them? they'd just have to make the quests give you a item that you use to learn the mount |
| 17:01.32 | vhaarr | so for every mount you'd have to use 1 crop, then |
| 17:01.34 | vhaarr | that's silly |
| 17:01.39 | vhaarr | but anyway :p |
| 17:01.44 | nevcairiel | they could just change the crop to enchant your mount-spell |
| 17:01.47 | Dashkal | While that would work, that's a clunky feeling solution. |
| 17:01.49 | nevcairiel | but they removed all that |
| 17:01.53 | nevcairiel | and want to do something new |
| 17:01.59 | nevcairiel | that doesnt require you to get one crop per mount |
| 17:02.03 | _Haldir | ~lart nevcairiel |
| 17:02.04 | purl | decapitates nevcairiel conan the destroyer style |
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| 17:02.10 | nevcairiel | josh stop it |
| 17:02.31 | vhaarr | pff just make it a quest then that gives you a new ability in the first page of your spell book >< |
| 17:02.34 | nevcairiel | and release that poor guys name :P |
| 17:02.37 | vhaarr | +10% mount speed |
| 17:02.40 | _Haldir | i want to see what happens when tornhoof tries to switch to _Haldir |
| 17:02.47 | _Haldir | because that name changing bugs the crap out of me |
| 17:02.57 | Tornhoof | why shoudl i care? |
| 17:03.01 | nevcairiel | isnt it good when the crap goes out? |
| 17:03.07 | KriLL3 | love that OoC procs on buffing myself, that has to be a bug right |
| 17:03.09 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 17:03.16 | vhaarr | Tornhoof: because you change your name 50 times per day? |
| 17:03.18 | nevcairiel | KriLL3: i get it off everything |
| 17:03.19 | KriLL3 | lifebloom/rejuv I can see, but buffs?... |
| 17:03.21 | vhaarr | I'd guess you cared |
| 17:03.21 | KriLL3 | me2 |
| 17:03.21 | _Haldir | Tornhoof: i'm curious as to why you switch nicks seemingly randomly and wanted to see what name you pick |
| 17:03.24 | Carancu | it procs on everything KriLL3, sort of. |
| 17:03.27 | nevcairiel | mounting, loging in |
| 17:03.30 | nevcairiel | everything =P |
| 17:03.32 | KriLL3 | Carancu: I've had it proc on using a pot |
| 17:03.36 | Tornhoof | blame psybnc |
| 17:03.45 | vhaarr | I blame your poor config of psybnc |
| 17:03.46 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: I like it, keep it that way =P |
| 17:03.54 | Tornhoof | no the cfg is fine |
| 17:03.58 | KriLL3 | it should proc on moving, using mouse buttons etc |
| 17:04.04 | nevcairiel | but apparently it doesnt proc of balance spells, i've been told |
| 17:04.04 | Tornhoof | blame multiserver support in psybnc |
| 17:04.37 | Carancu | balance spells got caught in the same thing as feral abilities with OoC, poor moonkins. |
| 17:04.43 | Tornhoof | nice, now mirc is bugged here |
| 17:04.53 | Carancu | , should have been a ? |
| 17:05.15 | KriLL3 | Carancu: it procs on melee hits for boomkins though right? |
| 17:05.20 | KriLL3 | go go melee boomkin! |
| 17:05.43 | Carancu | it should, it procs as normal from all white hits. |
| 17:05.45 | Tornhoof | mirc is buggy;) <fn~Josh_Borke> nice, now mirc is bugged here :D |
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| 17:05.52 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 17:06.00 | KriLL3 | Carancu: there now we all know blizz intends boomkins to be melee casters |
| 17:06.32 | KriLL3 | let em dual wield fist weapons imo, "chickenclaws" |
| 17:06.57 | Tornhoof | technically it should only switch nicks, when either the bnc has a ld or i'm logging in |
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| 17:07.04 | Tornhoof | only when i'm logging in tbh |
| 17:07.53 | Carancu | Is there a way to concatenate an undefined number of strings (the last one might be nil sometimes) to one in a simple way? |
| 17:10.11 | vhaarr | strjoin |
| 17:10.40 | Josh_Borke | lua> strjoin("fred", nil, "bob", "jane", nil) |
| 17:10.40 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: fredbobfredjanefred |
| 17:10.45 | Carancu | oh, that easy. |
| 17:10.59 | Josh_Borke | lua> strjoin(" <deliminator> ", nil, "bob", "jane", nil) |
| 17:11.00 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: <deliminator> bob <deliminator> jane <deliminator> |
| 17:11.12 | Josh_Borke | lua> strjoin(" <deliminator> ", nil, "bob", "jane", nil, nil, nil, "ending") |
| 17:11.13 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: <deliminator> bob <deliminator> jane <deliminator> <deliminator> <deliminator> <deliminator> ending |
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| 17:12.52 | CIA-58 | 03ackis 07NewDB * r81887 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList/ (ARLDataminer.lua RecipeDB/ARL-Reputation.lua): |
| 17:12.52 | CIA-58 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 17:12.52 | CIA-58 | - Update header for reputation based off of Kagaro's optimizations |
| 17:13.50 | CIA-58 | 03ackis 07NewDB * r81888 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList/ (ARLDataminer.lua RecipeDB/ARL-Reputation.lua): |
| 17:13.50 | CIA-58 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 17:13.50 | CIA-58 | - Another minor change |
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| 17:38.30 | kenlyric | seems unusually dead today.. |
| 17:39.38 | CIA-58 | 03ackis 07NewDB * r81889 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList/ARLDataminer.lua: |
| 17:39.38 | CIA-58 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 17:39.38 | CIA-58 | - Few more conversions |
| 17:39.44 | AckisWork | usually is on fridays |
| 17:40.14 | Obelixprime | You're a friday ackis |
| 17:40.23 | AckisWork | :P |
| 17:41.13 | kenlyric | ym goes to friday's |
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| 17:49.16 | Daemona | is bored. |
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| 17:54.39 | sylvanaar | kenlyric thats cause I'm not here stiring up the pot |
| 17:54.42 | Daemona | anyone knows what might be the origin of this error of chatter in the beta? -> http://ace.pastey.net/96413 |
| 17:55.14 | AckisWork | SetTextColor doesn't exist for some objects now |
| 17:56.13 | Daemona | chatter or ace3 issue? :X |
| 17:56.48 | sylvanaar | prolly chatter needs to be updated to use formatting codes, or call the new function |
| 17:57.04 | KriLL3 | is chatter a lot like prat? |
| 17:57.12 | nevcairiel | chatter error Daemona |
| 17:57.24 | KriLL3 | I just saw it made my chat window look really horrible so I canned it without really trying it |
| 17:57.28 | Daemona | worth checking the svn for a fix in the wotlk branch? |
| 17:58.06 | Daemona | for some reason my svn client is lagging badly.. |
| 17:58.30 | sylvanaar | chatter is a good chat mod - sort of between the ultra minimal ones, and prat's largesse |
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| 17:58.52 | Daemona | like any of antiarcs mods ,) |
| 17:59.10 | Daemona | small footprint for important features you like in blownup addons |
| 17:59.23 | KriLL3 | sylvanaar: can you kill it's fugly frame look? |
| 17:59.44 | sylvanaar | KriLL3 what? whose? |
| 17:59.50 | KriLL3 | Chatter |
| 18:00.02 | KriLL3 | Installed it and my chat frame looked horrible |
| 18:00.06 | Daemona | i usually run them 100% transparent with a light grey shade when mouse-overed |
| 18:00.22 | sylvanaar | you just delete the modules in chatter you dont use, or disable them |
| 18:00.29 | KriLL3 | about the same, chatter added some ugly gradiented border |
| 18:00.46 | sylvanaar | find the module that does that, and delete it |
| 18:00.58 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 18:03.55 | Stanzilla | Daemona: I'll write it down on my list of chatter bugs that I throw at antiarc every once a week :P |
| 18:04.05 | Daemona | ^^ |
| 18:04.54 | Daemona | i could do that myself, but usually he is hiding from me, due to me throwing a metric ton of errors and test messages at him during threat development ;) |
| 18:05.21 | Stanzilla | same |
| 18:05.22 | CIA-58 | 03adirelle * r81890 10FeedIt/FeedIt.lua: FeedIt: seems that pets do not like some items, added a blacklist to handle them. |
| 18:05.24 | Stanzilla | but I always find hsim |
| 18:05.28 | Stanzilla | -s |
| 18:05.29 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 18:05.43 | sylvanaar | Stanzilla is very persistant |
| 18:06.39 | Stanzilla | yup |
| 18:06.52 | Stanzilla | but wotlk bugs have very good chances to get fixed because he plays that |
| 18:07.00 | Stanzilla | if they get commited is another thing :P |
| 18:07.05 | sylvanaar | hehe |
| 18:07.18 | dracula | with Chatter enabled on PTR I cannot right-click the tabs anymore |
| 18:07.35 | dracula | well I can click them, but no context menu appears |
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| 18:08.00 | sylvanaar | yeah, for the stuff I use in wotlk, prat works perfectly, but I know theres bugs in things I dont use, so i'm the same way |
| 18:08.15 | sylvanaar | i have been having fun playing...thats refreshing |
| 18:08.25 | KriLL3 | US? |
| 18:08.31 | sylvanaar | yes\ |
| 18:08.46 | KriLL3 | figured, EU is unplayable |
| 18:08.54 | sylvanaar | is it? |
| 18:08.54 | KriLL3 | 1 server and no premades either :> |
| 18:09.04 | KriLL3 | yeah 1 server and they keep adding people |
| 18:09.05 | sylvanaar | ah, i leveled my druid to 80 |
| 18:09.20 | KriLL3 | I don't feel like leveling the same char twice |
| 18:09.24 | Tinyboom | screw premades, give a stable server instead :p |
| 18:09.27 | sylvanaar | i dont go to the premade server |
| 18:09.34 | sylvanaar | its awful |
| 18:09.36 | KriLL3 | Tinyboom: more rather, to spread people out |
| 18:09.39 | Tinyboom | aye |
| 18:09.49 | KriLL3 | US got 3, we got 1 |
| 18:09.57 | Tinyboom | i can't get myself to play on beta, I just get too frustrated |
| 18:10.03 | KriLL3 | should have given us 3, one eng one fr one german |
| 18:10.14 | sylvanaar | beta has been a blast |
| 18:10.25 | Primer | tinyboom: same here |
| 18:10.34 | KriLL3 | sylvanaar: it was kinda fun the first 1-2 weeks, afterwards the world server is just playing yo-yo |
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| 18:10.42 | CIA-58 | 03adirelle * r81891 10SimpleSelfRebuff/ (ItemBuffs/ItemBuffs.lua SimpleSelfRebuff.lua): |
| 18:10.42 | CIA-58 | SimpleSelfRebuff: |
| 18:10.42 | CIA-58 | - ItemBuffs: embedding AceBucket-3.0 directly into PT3SetBuff to prevent nil error. |
| 18:10.42 | CIA-58 | - do not activate until logged in. |
| 18:10.53 | Dashkal | I'd love to hit 80 on beta... but I can't find a night with sub-second lag |
| 18:10.54 | KriLL3 | the rollback results in not being able to do anything or go anywhere |
| 18:10.56 | Primer | I'll just wait til the public beta test that starts on Nov. 13th |
| 18:11.03 | sylvanaar | the US servers are fine now |
| 18:11.18 | dracula | lol primer |
| 18:11.21 | KriLL3 | sylvanaar: well the EU beta got 1 server and it's in the US |
| 18:11.23 | sylvanaar | idk why EU servers would be different |
| 18:11.25 | KriLL3 | far form ideal |
| 18:11.28 | KriLL3 | *from |
| 18:11.33 | sylvanaar | ah |
| 18:11.42 | KriLL3 | it's crowded |
| 18:11.47 | KriLL3 | even in the middle of the night |
| 18:11.57 | sylvanaar | well, that must be like the US premade server then |
| 18:12.05 | sylvanaar | awful |
| 18:12.07 | KriLL3 | the only time the server isn't crowded is just after a crash, and then it's crowded again before you get to do anything |
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| 18:12.35 | kouak | hi there |
| 18:12.49 | KriLL3 | is outland and northrend on the same server btw? I had as many problems in outland as I did in northrend on Coldarra |
| 18:13.15 | kouak | i'd like to know if somebody knows a plugin which can make my guild chat in another windows that general window ? |
| 18:13.18 | KriLL3 | + falling out of the sky at random locations 4-5 times a zone when flying over the area, even when avoiding towns |
| 18:13.36 | KriLL3 | kouak: no need for a plugin, just use the ingame settings? |
| 18:13.43 | sylvanaar | in fact, im going home early. i want to play a bit before i work on fixing the remaining prat module issues |
| 18:13.54 | KriLL3 | you can set which tab/frame has the guild chat shown |
| 18:14.04 | sylvanaar | yep |
| 18:14.10 | sylvanaar | bbl |
| 18:14.15 | KriLL3 | sylvanaar: btw "The Venture Co" doesm |
| 18:14.16 | kouak | oh really ? |
| 18:14.19 | KriLL3 | *doesn't have a "." |
| 18:14.20 | kouak | i never seen that :/ |
| 18:14.26 | KriLL3 | that's why the prat module doesn't work |
| 18:15.07 | KriLL3 | kouak: been in the game since day 1 or something like that |
| 18:15.44 | kouak | KriLL3> Yeah I think so, but I've searched and searched, never find how to |
| 18:15.50 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 18:16.03 | KriLL3 | let me log in so I can give you step by step instructions |
| 18:16.44 | KriLL3 | rightclick the tab you want to have guild chat in |
| 18:16.50 | KriLL3 | settings |
| 18:17.09 | KriLL3 | tick the box next to "guild chat" |
| 18:17.21 | KriLL3 | untick it in the tab you don't want it in |
| 18:19.14 | kouak | ok |
| 18:19.21 | kouak | well its working |
| 18:19.29 | kouak | thanks a lot KriLL3 |
| 18:19.33 | KriLL3 | np |
| 18:19.34 | kouak | have a nice day/night |
| 18:19.35 | kouak | bye ! |
| 18:19.38 | KriLL3 | cu |
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| 18:23.12 | KriLL3 | is there a way to copy all borders/backgrounds settings from one frame to all others? |
| 18:23.20 | KriLL3 | I don't want to repeat all of it 5 times... |
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| 18:27.32 | sylvanaar | KriLL3 ah, all those server names are stored in glory...i think what i am going to do for prat-3 is just let you accumulate them from the players you encounter |
| 18:27.50 | KriLL3 | yeah makes more sense |
| 18:27.55 | KriLL3 | especially if blizz ads more |
| 18:27.59 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 18:29.05 | sylvanaar | glory could tell you what the server type was, and which battlegroup too. wasn't a bad concept |
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| 18:34.50 | KriLL3 | errm, doesn't all battlegroups share the same type of server? and you know what battlegroup they're from since you can only play vs people on your own... |
| 18:36.01 | Cheads | pve and pvp servers are mixed in same battlegroup |
| 18:36.07 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 18:36.15 | KriLL3 | explains why some of them hit like sissies |
| 18:36.36 | Cheads | gives pvp servers an advantage.. but I guess that's just fair & natural |
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| 18:40.03 | KriLL3 | are there RP-PvE also? |
| 18:40.27 | KriLL3 | that'd be rich "ohnoes, please kindly mr druid don't cut me to ribbons" *RAWR!* |
| 18:41.19 | Carancu | RP, have always been following the PvE ruleset. that was untill they added RP-PvP |
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| 18:41.41 | KriLL3 | you know what I meant |
| 18:41.55 | KriLL3 | "RP" could encompass RP & RP-PvP servers |
| 18:42.02 | Carancu | yea, I just wanted to annoy you a bit ;) |
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| 18:45.16 | KriLL3 | can you rawrbomb in wintergrapsh btw? |
| 18:50.03 | Dashkal | ... |
| 18:50.06 | Dashkal | I am _so_ doing that |
| 18:50.19 | Dashkal | Should be able to jump from one of the flying units :p |
| 18:50.20 | NeoTron | Killmore: you can't fly in wintergrasp |
| 18:50.27 | NeoTron | but not sure if you can dismount in-air |
| 18:50.44 | KriLL3 | I'm an elite rawrbomber |
| 18:50.53 | KriLL3 | I'm part of the paramilitary druid squadron |
| 18:50.55 | Dashkal | NeoTron: it would have to be an exception for _those_ flying units. The other flying units do let you |
| 18:51.13 | Dashkal | Dragons, the plane in HF for sure (have tested personally) |
| 18:51.33 | NeoTron | doesnt it give you a parachute? |
| 18:51.38 | KriLL3 | I wounder if cat charge works for it also |
| 18:51.48 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: can't you rightclick that effect? |
| 18:51.54 | NeoTron | probably |
| 18:52.00 | NeoTron | it's broken, or was, in x-perl so I dunno :P |
| 18:52.09 | Dashkal | NeoTron: the parachute is a buff. Just remove it |
| 18:52.14 | KriLL3 | eww x-perl |
| 18:52.30 | Stanzilla | !coin aufstehen sitzenbleiben |
| 18:52.35 | Stanzilla | fc |
| 18:52.48 | Stanzilla | ^feature request for purl btw |
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| 18:56.40 | NeoTron | KriLL3: eww? :P what unit frames strikes your fancy? pitbull? |
| 18:56.45 | KriLL3 | indeed |
| 18:56.58 | charon | Stanzilla: should be easy to make a reply with an internal randomizer, i just don't know the syntax... consider |
| 18:57.01 | charon | ~literal ckknight |
| 18:57.02 | purl | "ckknight" is "a strong developer in the Ace community, and a main developer of the Ace2 framework itself as well as the Rock framework, ckknight is best known for such addons as FuBar, Cartographer, PitBull, CowTip, Parrot, and so many more. See ~emulate ckknight for the full story." |
| 18:57.08 | charon | er |
| 18:57.10 | KriLL3 | a lot cleaner, x-perl adds gradients everywhere and makes each and every element it's own square |
| 18:57.11 | ckknight | waves |
| 18:57.11 | charon | ~literal emulate ckknight |
| 18:57.12 | purl | "emulate ckknight" is "<reply> (nah, then there's no point, I do this mostly for the power trip|if I do it just for myself, there's no one to gloat to|You know why? Because you touch yourself at night|I lounge on my bed, pantsless, and code addons|Write a ticket!)" |
| 18:57.36 | charon | so you could make one called "cointoss" that is just "<reply> heads|tails" or whatever |
| 18:57.44 | Stanzilla | hm true |
| 18:57.57 | NeoTron | I don't have sufficient time to configure pitbull |
| 18:58.01 | NeoTron | I turn off x-perl gradients |
| 18:58.04 | charon | only problem is, i can't find the command to do that :( |
| 18:58.07 | NeoTron | which is, like 1 checkbox |
| 18:58.31 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: yeah the new pitbull isn't going to have the same config system |
| 18:58.47 | KriLL3 | the current one is very powerful but confusing at first |
| 18:58.57 | NeoTron | not disagreeing |
| 18:59.10 | KriLL3 | would be nice if you could click and drag elements instead of using endless lists of dropdowns etc |
| 18:59.22 | NeoTron | also I'm cpu bound and dogtag stuff is more cpu intensive |
| 18:59.35 | KriLL3 | I'm on a 3.3 quad |
| 18:59.46 | NeoTron | my computer is due for an upgrade in a few months |
| 18:59.50 | KriLL3 | wow doesn't take it above idle temps |
| 18:59.57 | NeoTron | hopefully around the time of LK |
| 19:00.07 | Stanzilla | charon: works |
| 19:00.10 | Stanzilla | ~cointoss |
| 19:00.10 | purl | tails |
| 19:00.20 | Stanzilla | ~cointoss |
| 19:00.21 | purl | heads |
| 19:00.24 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 19:00.45 | Fisker- | does the EU forums work? |
| 19:00.48 | charon | seems the middle one ended up resting on the edge? |
| 19:00.58 | charon | what's the command to set literally? |
| 19:01.29 | KriLL3 | Fisker-: no |
| 19:01.35 | KriLL3 | "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at forums.wow-europe.com." |
| 19:01.56 | KriLL3 | IE sayz: Navigation to the webpage was canceled |
| 19:02.04 | Megalon | The connection was refused when attempting to contact forums.wow-europe.com. |
| 19:02.35 | Stanzilla | charon: just "event is <stuff>" |
| 19:02.42 | charon | ah ok |
| 19:02.48 | charon | thanks |
| 19:02.55 | Fisker- | stupid forums |
| 19:02.57 | Fisker- | I NEED THEM |
| 19:03.12 | Josh_Borke | ~cointoss |
| 19:03.12 | purl | heads |
| 19:03.20 | KriLL3 | Fisker-: why? |
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| 19:03.37 | Fisker- | because that's the only reason why i pay for WoW |
| 19:03.40 | Josh_Borke | it's not random |
| 19:04.00 | KriLL3 | ofc it's random |
| 19:04.02 | ckknight | ~literal cointoss |
| 19:04.03 | purl | "cointoss" is "<reply> (heads|tails)" |
| 19:04.24 | charon | Josh_Borke: you mean it just cycles through? |
| 19:04.30 | Josh_Borke | yes |
| 19:04.41 | KriLL3 | you can get a series of heads/tails in a row or other patterns but patterns doesn't exclude randomness |
| 19:04.44 | Josh_Borke | or maybe i just didn't try it enough |
| 19:04.44 | charon | points at the double heads above |
| 19:05.01 | KriLL3 | do it a million times, if it's near 50% each it's random |
| 19:05.16 | KriLL3 | 10 in a row doesn't mean it only does that |
| 19:06.05 | KriLL3 | after 100 coin tosses without any modeling or other circumstances to control the outcome and they're all heads what's the chance of it being tails the next toss? |
| 19:06.18 | KriLL3 | *meddling |
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| 19:08.25 | charon | KriLL3: after rolling a six twice, you can (correctly) claim the die is dovetailed (right word?) at 97%ish confidence |
| 19:08.28 | charon | now that's statistics. |
| 19:08.48 | KriLL3 | I said no meddling |
| 19:08.51 | KriLL3 | 100 heads in a row |
| 19:08.52 | NeoTron | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/2/10043226143-what-is-your-intention-for-berserk.html <-- Surprise, Koraa didn't have a chance to make a post! |
| 19:08.57 | KriLL3 | what are the odds of tails next toss? |
| 19:09.12 | liquidzoo | 50% |
| 19:09.19 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: ? |
| 19:09.20 | KriLL3 | liquidzoo: we got a winner! |
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| 19:09.29 | KriLL3 | or rather perhaps 49% since it can land on it's side =P |
| 19:09.44 | liquidzoo | true |
| 19:09.56 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: notice in that thread that GC dodges every single PvP berserk related question |
| 19:10.11 | NeoTron | KriLL3: GC / Koraa are class designes. GC seems to post in most classes' threads even those not designed by GC. Mind you I understand they are developers |
| 19:10.13 | liquidzoo | and you can roll 2 6's in a row with dice, just because it's a 1/36 chance of happening, doesn't mean it can't happen. |
| 19:10.43 | KriLL3 | liquidzoo: you can do it from now to the end of the universe, doesn't mean the dice are rigged |
| 19:10.46 | NeoTron | the biggest issue today with druid tanks imho is lack of any real aoe tanking ability |
| 19:10.50 | KriLL3 | the odds are tiny but still |
| 19:11.09 | charon | liquidzoo: sure, but the odds are 2.78% if they aren't rigged, compared to 100% when rigged |
| 19:11.16 | liquidzoo | Very true. And I've seen it happen on a craps table. 16 11's in a row. |
| 19:11.17 | NeoTron | dk's have blood boil / pestilence, D&D, unholy blight, pallies conc and passive damage abiltieis, warriors have shockwave and damage shield |
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| 19:11.20 | NeoTron | druids have.. swipe |
| 19:11.29 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: I understand that, but they didn't even comment on making berserk fear only, meaning we'll get stunned/hibernated/snared/deathcoiled/blinded when we use it |
| 19:12.11 | KriLL3 | it's about on par with AR at this point |
| 19:12.17 | KriLL3 | a 31p talent |
| 19:12.38 | NeoTron | not disagreeing |
| 19:12.41 | KriLL3 | Beast Within is a 41p talent and kicks our 51p talent's butt |
| 19:12.46 | NeoTron | what l80 skills do druids get? |
| 19:12.59 | KriLL3 | ? don't think we got any |
| 19:13.02 | nevcairiel | nourish |
| 19:13.04 | NeoTron | lock's teleport thing is quite a letdown in general |
| 19:13.06 | nevcairiel | but its useless for resto |
| 19:13.13 | nevcairiel | right now anyway |
| 19:13.16 | NeoTron | compared to say mirror image |
| 19:13.35 | KriLL3 | we get revive nourish and savage roar, but they're not level 80 all of them |
| 19:13.58 | NeoTron | I am still not quite sure when demonic circle would be useful |
| 19:14.18 | charon | liquidzoo: the problem is really in people's understanding what 95% confidence means.... when you do 20 tests at 95% confidence, you expect one to succeed even if all hypotheses were false. publish that test result and profit ;) |
| 19:14.26 | KriLL3 | wowhead says they're level 51, dunno if that's correnct |
| 19:14.32 | NeoTron | nice so they gave warriors more crit... and in the process gave warrior NPC's more crit :P |
| 19:15.05 | nevcairiel | KriLL3: nourish is 80 |
| 19:15.14 | nevcairiel | all others are below |
| 19:15.16 | KriLL3 | I know savage roar is 75 |
| 19:15.19 | charon | NeoTron: how much? does it offset our new 6% crit reduce from SotF? |
| 19:15.26 | KriLL3 | revive I had at 70 earlier in the beta, now I dunno |
| 19:15.34 | Dashkal | Is it just me or with the removal of last stand to a lower talent... why would I take berserk? |
| 19:15.50 | nevcairiel | charon: thats only a bug then, druids are supposed to be crit immune from talents only |
| 19:15.51 | KriLL3 | Dashkal: because it's 1 point and you need to spend the points above anyway |
| 19:15.53 | KriLL3 | that's it |
| 19:15.59 | charon | nevcairiel: phew. thanks. |
| 19:16.00 | Carancu | cooldown freen mangle Dashkal. |
| 19:16.08 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: aggro burst |
| 19:16.10 | nevcairiel | can be nice |
| 19:16.11 | Dashkal | Carancu: ahh, ok, that's a good enough reason |
| 19:16.15 | nevcairiel | our ferals are all excited |
| 19:16.21 | KriLL3 | I'm not |
| 19:16.26 | KriLL3 | I want CC immunity back |
| 19:16.32 | Dashkal | Mind you until they give us an aoe tank ability, my druid won't tank |
| 19:16.34 | NeoTron | charon: 4-5% and it's a bug |
| 19:16.39 | nevcairiel | our ferals dont pvp, and i dont care either =P |
| 19:16.46 | NeoTron | basically you can reach the crit limit and still be crit in raids due to most npc's being warriorzs |
| 19:17.17 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: you're a cold hearted viscous man |
| 19:17.19 | NeoTron | cooldown free, 3 target mangle |
| 19:17.28 | charon | yeah well if it's a bug i'm relieved... i think the SotF change is actually so basic that it should have been in feral talents since umm... vanilla beta? |
| 19:17.31 | Carancu | I don't pvp since before BC was released, it felt more of a grind than pve does. And I don't really care about cc-immunity of beserk either. |
| 19:17.36 | NeoTron | charon: definitely a bug |
| 19:17.41 | Dashkal | Right now about all we have for aoe tanking is a mouseover swipe macro and... frenzied regen? |
| 19:17.42 | charon | no more stupid PVP gear in my tanking set, yay. |
| 19:17.50 | KriLL3 | mangle is 15 rage in bearform right? no glyphs/items/talents that change that right? |
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| 19:18.03 | nevcairiel | no warrior or other tanking class could be bothered to get 10% crit immunity |
| 19:18.06 | Carancu | 20 rage - 5 from tier 1 talent. |
| 19:18.24 | KriLL3 | Carancu: oh, I've always had that talent I guess |
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| 19:19.00 | Carancu | it would be stupid to not take it, I know, but as it is that way, I wrote it that way. |
| 19:19.10 | KriLL3 | you can use it 6-7 times then if you spam it and don't get any more rage in between? |
| 19:19.37 | KriLL3 | you don't get rage from mangle hits right? |
| 19:19.49 | Carancu | if they crit you get 5 rage. |
| 19:19.59 | KriLL3 | ah, right |
| 19:20.35 | KriLL3 | I don't look at the bear portion of talents I always spec =P |
| 19:20.55 | KriLL3 | kinda retarded that I get a lot of tanking stuff when speccing for dps/pvp |
| 19:21.08 | kenlyric | you mean awesome |
| 19:21.20 | KriLL3 | I wouldn't mind if the tree wasn't fatter than lard |
| 19:21.29 | KriLL3 | I'm about 20 points short of being happy |
| 19:21.35 | kenlyric | it's pretty slim if you focus on dps talents |
| 19:21.41 | KriLL3 | I'm PvP |
| 19:21.42 | kenlyric | arent' we all? |
| 19:21.44 | KriLL3 | you can't focus on dps |
| 19:22.06 | NeoTron | druids should get some sort of passive threat gen ability |
| 19:22.16 | NeoTron | or omnidirectional aoe of some sort |
| 19:22.17 | KriLL3 | and I need 11-14 even perhaps 16 points in RESTO |
| 19:22.18 | Dashkal | O.o I didn't have any trouble getting every DPS talent and having a few left over for fun stuff... |
| 19:22.33 | KriLL3 | Dashkal: I'm PvP |
| 19:22.37 | kenlyric | he probably takes stuff like improved ikitty stealth |
| 19:22.38 | Carancu | it's more or less only KriLL3 that can find more talents than us others :P |
| 19:22.39 | NeoTron | speaking of DPS I did about 2300 DPS as FG spec on the premade |
| 19:22.41 | kenlyric | and other stupid shit like that |
| 19:22.44 | Dashkal | KriLL3: on live? I'm so sorry |
| 19:22.50 | NeoTron | with pvp gear |
| 19:22.52 | Dashkal | But even then, you can pvp spec a druid now |
| 19:23.24 | Dashkal | But of course the tree is overblown... there's two trees worth of talents in there. What you get for picking a class with four roles |
| 19:23.33 | KriLL3 | http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?druid=50320213232021205012305331351005203010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 <-- spec I'm looking at atm |
| 19:23.50 | KriLL3 | Dashkal: just wish they condensed some of the pve and pvp talents |
| 19:24.01 | chiper | hmm. is there a way to tell svn to ignore changes made to a file? |
| 19:24.03 | KriLL3 | atm a lot of the talents are pvp/pve |
| 19:24.28 | KriLL3 | a lot of them are cat/bear, would be nice if more were bear only and cat only |
| 19:24.44 | Dashkal | KriLL3: that would leave us with every spot on the form full (too many talents) |
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| 19:25.09 | Dashkal | They pretty much have to overlap them. |
| 19:25.24 | KriLL3 | I want primal precision, survival of the fittest, master shapeshifter, imp motw and 5/5 naturalist |
| 19:25.38 | Dashkal | Besides, effects that don't directly complement each other get exempt from the budget rules (think naturalist) |
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| 19:25.47 | Fisker- | touches Dashkal in naughty spots |
| 19:26.00 | KriLL3 | Dashkal: no I'm saying make the talents currently split in bear/cat stuff and make em cat or bear, make em the same amount and the same amount of points total |
| 19:26.07 | Dashkal | Enjoy the mousetrap I put there for people like you, Fisker-? |
| 19:26.26 | Fisker- | i'm a lion |
| 19:26.28 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 19:26.37 | Dashkal | KriLL3: huh? Same points total, but split the cat/bear talents? That tree is full. |
| 19:26.41 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 19:26.46 | Dashkal | Where would you put the damn things? You'd need 6 or so talents a tier |
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| 19:27.02 | KriLL3 | split the bear/cat stuff and merge em with other stuff that's car or bear |
| 19:27.18 | KriLL3 | so you only have cat stuff and bear stuff, with 2-3 things in em to fit all the current stuff |
| 19:27.23 | Dashkal | Ahh, that would end the feral having the offtank advantage. No thank you |
| 19:27.30 | KriLL3 | I don't care |
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| 19:27.43 | Dashkal | and with that line, I'm done with this debate |
| 19:27.45 | KriLL3 | would be a lot better for pvp and choice, I don't want random +tanking stuff |
| 19:27.51 | nevcairiel | yeah thats kinda silly, you already have to specialize for one, completly removing the other one is dumb |
| 19:28.00 | Carancu | do someone have a link to how the feraltree used to look before the first revamp? |
| 19:28.52 | nevcairiel | Carancu: live? =P |
| 19:28.52 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: why do pvp:ers get burdened by PvE only stuff mixed into PvP talents? |
| 19:28.52 | Carancu | I mean from like patch 1.3 or so. |
| 19:28.57 | nevcairiel | KriLL3: every class does |
| 19:29.10 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: but no other class got a tree this fat + 16 points in resto |
| 19:29.23 | Dashkal | KriLL3: with your attitude of wanting only PvP stuff alone, you're part of the reason I think warcraft would be well served by having a pvp only spinnoff game |
| 19:29.41 | Wraithan | jesus christ, every day I wake up and read this channel one of you pvp feral druids is bitching |
| 19:29.54 | Wraithan | give it a damned rest no one in here can do anything about it |
| 19:29.55 | Dashkal | There's a market for sure for it |
| 19:30.09 | Wraithan | you wanna bitch e-mail bliz. |
| 19:30.37 | Wraithan | I am so sick of y'all complaining all the time |
| 19:31.10 | nevcairiel | feral, specially bear, has some more issues then pvp right now =P |
| 19:31.11 | Fisker- | THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS |
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| 19:31.50 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: bears aren't too far off. We just need a aoe skill and we're pretty much set (numbers need balancing of course, but that's easy stuff) |
| 19:32.06 | nevcairiel | the berserk/last stand change was pretty nice |
| 19:32.37 | KriLL3 | doesn't add anything for pvp |
| 19:32.48 | NeoTron | rm -rf wow/pvp |
| 19:32.48 | nevcairiel | we dont care |
| 19:33.09 | nevcairiel | besides, mangle without cooldown is a pretty serious dmg boost, even for bear |
| 19:33.18 | KriLL3 | you don't dps in bearform |
| 19:33.27 | nevcairiel | maybe you should |
| 19:33.29 | KriLL3 | and you need a stack of rage to make use of it |
| 19:33.45 | KriLL3 | useful I guess solo vs a rogue that uses evasion |
| 19:33.48 | Carancu | 40 rage and you are good to go. that's like two hits. |
| 19:33.56 | KriLL3 | build up the rage and let fly |
| 19:34.23 | Dashkal | I'm gonna enjoy bear/dps quite a bit. Druid tanking looks like it just got much more entertaining |
| 19:34.38 | Dashkal | is a major fan of the new tanking philosophy |
| 19:34.40 | NeoTron | Dashkal: still lacking passive aoe tanking abilityu |
| 19:34.55 | Dashkal | NeoTron: yep, that's missing. And it must be addressed at this point |
| 19:34.58 | KriLL3 | I already need to go bear very often vs melee/hunter in pvp, perhaps the boost in bear dps will make it the norm instead of catform |
| 19:35.02 | NeoTron | it's ironic how druid went from a rather high choice for multi target tanking to bottom of the line |
| 19:35.02 | Wraithan | Dashkal: shhhh don't talk about PvE, the PvPer will go balistic on you. |
| 19:35.03 | KriLL3 | well except at the start |
| 19:35.20 | Dashkal | Wraithan: I'm about this close to just using /silence on him, not too worried :p |
| 19:35.34 | KriLL3 | Dashkal: that's not an actual command |
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| 19:35.58 | Dashkal | KriLL3: you've crossed the line from pvp-centric into troll. also, /silence is much like /ignore, except the server does it for you |
| 19:36.15 | nevcairiel | ya silence is a valid irc command |
| 19:37.07 | Pkekyo| | PANTS IN MOUTH |
| 19:37.18 | nevcairiel | btw, passive aoe tanking? how do you expect that to work passive? |
| 19:37.39 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: thorns, ret aura, etc |
| 19:37.45 | KriLL3 | I like some PvE (heroics etc) as a diversion at times, but it's nothing I'd be able to do on a daily basis |
| 19:37.46 | Wraithan | what Pkekyo| just said is less of a troll comment than what you have been saying for the last 20 mins KriLL3 |
| 19:37.46 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: warrior have damage shield (with naxx gear, probably abotu 400 reflected dmg per hit taken) |
| 19:37.47 | Carancu | Thorns already does that in a way. those things hurt. |
| 19:37.48 | Dashkal | Could argue conc, d&d as well |
| 19:38.07 | NeoTron | pallies have similar (sanc/aura/holy shield) but also active in consecrate |
| 19:38.15 | KriLL3 | Carancu: errm thorns doesn't deal noticeable dmg |
| 19:38.18 | NeoTron | dk's have many active abiltiies, and unholy blight which is passive |
| 19:38.19 | nevcairiel | so you're not even worried about active tanking? |
| 19:38.20 | Dashkal | KriLL3: nothing wrong with being pvp centric in your preference. Just consider blizzard has to cater to those of us who are pve centric as well. Hence the overlap in talents |
| 19:38.27 | nevcairiel | active aoe, i mean |
| 19:38.39 | Gaurong | reactive damage |
| 19:38.44 | KriLL3 | Dashkal: just wished they didn't totally nerf the cat aspect of berserk in favor of the bear one |
| 19:38.45 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: I am not a druid tank. active or passive doesn't matter, hjust need something |
| 19:38.56 | Dashkal | KriLL3: _that_ is a perfectly reasonable complaint |
| 19:39.09 | NeoTron | right now druids are the only class without and will have issues with 8-15 mob non-elite pulls any other tank class can handle with ease |
| 19:39.17 | Dashkal | They did nerf the pvp aspect in favour of the pve. |
| 19:39.19 | KriLL3 | "Thorns sprout from the friendly target causing 25 Nature damage to attackers when hit. " ah yes, imba |
| 19:39.31 | nevcairiel | next rank is 73 |
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| 19:39.38 | Dashkal | KriLL3: you'd be amazed how quickly that scales in an aoe siutuation |
| 19:39.38 | NeoTron | plus thorns is not druid specific so can't really count them as a druid ability |
| 19:39.40 | KriLL3 | Dashkal: and feral pvp is already struggling |
| 19:39.57 | jwwpua | can someone help me fix this error i'm getting upon logging in? [2008/09/19 14:38:28-470-x1]: <string>:"*:OnEvent":2: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got nil)<string>:"*:OnEvent":2: in function <[string "*:OnEvent"]:1> |
| 19:40.09 | KriLL3 | "Thorns sprout from the friendly target causing 73 Nature damage to attackers when hit. Lasts 10 min." at 73 |
| 19:40.11 | KriLL3 | imba |
| 19:40.17 | KriLL3 | *74 |
| 19:40.38 | NeoTron | which is not horrible - it's a nice bonus - but hardly comparable to any of the other abilities |
| 19:41.11 | KriLL3 | what does that pala thing tick for? |
| 19:41.32 | NeoTron | which one? consecrate? |
| 19:41.41 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 19:41.44 | nevcairiel | conc is active, you cant really compare that |
| 19:41.46 | NeoTron | 200-300 dps? |
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| 19:41.50 | Dashkal | compare to ret aura |
| 19:42.14 | NeoTron | holy shield, blessing of sanctuary (did they remove that one btw?) |
| 19:42.14 | KriLL3 | 112 dmg |
| 19:42.25 | nevcairiel | they changed sanct, i think |
| 19:42.47 | nevcairiel | Places a Blessing on the friendly target, reducing damage taken from all sources by 3% for 10 min. In addition, when the target blocks, parries, or dodges a melee attack the target will gain 100 rage, 200 runic power, or 2% of maximum mana. Players may only have one Blessing on them per Paladin at any one time. |
| 19:42.57 | Cheads | mana batteri =) |
| 19:43.00 | nevcairiel | that cant be right |
| 19:43.02 | nevcairiel | 100 rage? |
| 19:43.03 | Dashkal | ret auta at 76 is 112. Higher, but the cost is they can't use a different aura |
| 19:43.05 | nevcairiel | 200 runic power? |
| 19:43.06 | NeoTron | 100 rage? 200 runic power? |
| 19:43.07 | NeoTron | lol |
| 19:43.09 | NeoTron | yeah that's not right |
| 19:43.12 | Cheads | 10 and 20 =) |
| 19:43.33 | NeoTron | max runic power is 130 |
| 19:43.33 | Dashkal | thorns + a different aura (say concentration) might be better |
| 19:43.38 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: it actually gives us 2 |
| 19:43.39 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: no energy? |
| 19:43.47 | NeoTron | it's a tank aura |
| 19:43.54 | nevcairiel | KriLL3: what do i know, i only copied it from wowhead |
| 19:43.55 | Cheads | used to be energy too |
| 19:44.04 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: tanks need mana? |
| 19:44.08 | Dashkal | Duman cast it on me awhile back. |
| 19:44.08 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 19:44.16 | nevcairiel | KriLL3: pala tanks do |
| 19:44.22 | KriLL3 | oh, right |
| 19:44.53 | KriLL3 | I stopped PvE:ing in raids prior to palas tanking, and I'm the tank so I don't meet any pala tanks ;) |
| 19:44.59 | NeoTron | question is, is sanc better than kings now for tanking? |
| 19:45.11 | nevcairiel | depends on the instance, i suppose |
| 19:45.39 | Dashkal | I'd want sanc unless I needed the sta boost |
| 19:46.02 | nevcairiel | wonder if the 2% mana gain compensate the 3% less dmg, mana wise |
| 19:46.04 | nevcairiel | for pallys |
| 19:46.08 | Dashkal | sanc -> threat alone. kings -> threat/avoidance/sta |
| 19:46.13 | NeoTron | Dashkal: agi / str boost too |
| 19:46.23 | NeoTron | sanc => 3% dmg reduction |
| 19:46.30 | Cheads | yeah that too |
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| 19:46.33 | Dashkal | yeah, that would make it a real tossup |
| 19:46.38 | NeoTron | sanc is hot for magic tanking |
| 19:46.46 | NeoTron | since you can't block, parry or dodge spells |
| 19:46.55 | Dashkal | on my DK I'd prolly take kings. I don't have issues with runic power |
| 19:47.07 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: can't DKs do something about spells? |
| 19:47.10 | NeoTron | KriLL3: yep |
| 19:47.14 | NeoTron | but 3% helps |
| 19:47.25 | Dashkal | DKs are the best (though certainly not the only) at anti-caster tanking. |
| 19:47.35 | Dashkal | <3 Frost Presence |
| 19:47.38 | NeoTron | right now blood DK's can have the anti-magic thing up 100% of the time due to a bug in the talents |
| 19:47.39 | KriLL3 | kinda odd you can't block, parry or dodge spells |
| 19:47.40 | Cheads | palas worst |
| 19:47.43 | NeoTron | 15s cooldown removed |
| 19:47.50 | Dashkal | NeoTron: *jawdrops* how? |
| 19:47.52 | KriLL3 | putting up a large shield in the path of a big fireball should stop it... |
| 19:48.11 | NeoTron | high blood talent, forgot which, reduces cooldown with 5/10/15s |
| 19:48.14 | KriLL3 | same with a nice sturdy blade, or simply jumping aside |
| 19:48.16 | NeoTron | and well the cooldown is 15s |
| 19:48.20 | NeoTron | it's supposed to be 1/2/3 |
| 19:48.30 | Cheads | it's a game.. dont expect it to be realistic |
| 19:48.45 | NeoTron | KriLL3: the shield is made of chocolate. it'll melt |
| 19:48.46 | Dashkal | NeoTron: *snickers* that would do it. |
| 19:48.55 | KriLL3 | Cheads: true, but they should design around those mechanics |
| 19:49.03 | Dashkal | That warrior _really_ needs to stop contracting Wonka for his armour/weapons |
| 19:49.05 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: that explains it |
| 19:49.22 | KriLL3 | well there is that shield reflect thing |
| 19:49.30 | KriLL3 | stole that from zelda! |
| 19:49.40 | KriLL3 | :z |
| 19:49.42 | Cheads | KriLL3 nah.. then the next will be aiming spells.. slashes etc. etc... then you could just as well play a first person shooter or tekken =) |
| 19:49.48 | nevcairiel | well you can actually miss spells now, or at least it shows up as miss |
| 19:49.53 | NeoTron | true |
| 19:49.56 | nevcairiel | and they fly next to the target |
| 19:50.03 | nevcairiel | not with that silly resist animation like before |
| 19:50.11 | KriLL3 | Cheads: well if you're supremely agile why couldn't you dodge fireballs and arrows? |
| 19:50.18 | Diao | uh |
| 19:50.25 | Diao | wait |
| 19:50.26 | Diao | what |
| 19:50.31 | Cheads | because it's a game |
| 19:50.38 | Diao | how would warriors reflect 400 dmg with damage shields |
| 19:50.40 | Diao | that makes no sense lol |
| 19:50.56 | Diao | there's no way anyone would have anywhere near 4k block value |
| 19:51.02 | KriLL3 | Cheads: you can dodge melee attacks of all kinds no matter your size |
| 19:51.19 | Wraithan | My tauren dodges! |
| 19:51.21 | Cheads | it's a fantasy game.. come up with whatever explaination that might suit =) |
| 19:51.32 | nevcairiel | 20% reflect at what, 600 block? |
| 19:51.43 | nevcairiel | thats not more then retribution aura |
| 19:51.45 | Diao | 10% reflect |
| 19:51.55 | Diao | or hm |
| 19:51.56 | Diao | 20% yeah |
| 19:51.57 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: yes, always fun seeing a tauren dodge my attacks from behind while stunned |
| 19:51.57 | Diao | with 2 points |
| 19:52.10 | Diao | 2k block value is still ridiculously high |
| 19:52.17 | Wraithan | KriLL3: or a bear dodging mine while earthbound... |
| 19:52.17 | nevcairiel | except that damage shield scales |
| 19:52.19 | nevcairiel | a little |
| 19:52.35 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: errm roots should be even better at that |
| 19:52.54 | Diao | you'd need 1600 block value base without the 30% bonus from shield mastery |
| 19:52.56 | KriLL3 | funny in the lore/comics/books etc roots can crush just about everyone no matter their size etc dead |
| 19:53.00 | Diao | which with the naxx shield of 216 block value |
| 19:53.10 | Diao | you'd need 1400 +block, or ~2800 str, or some combination of the two |
| 19:53.16 | KriLL3 | in wow it's just a minor inconvenience around you feet |
| 19:53.35 | KriLL3 | would be fun if the dot actually was noticable |
| 19:53.38 | nevcairiel | if they went by lore, druids would win everything |
| 19:53.58 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: naw, plenty of other powerful classes out there |
| 19:54.06 | KriLL3 | mages, instakill everything |
| 19:54.12 | kenlyric | nevcairiel: by what, sleeping? |
| 19:54.31 | KriLL3 | kenlyric: don't mock the emerald dream! >:( |
| 19:54.32 | NeoTron | Diao: I saw a thread on the matter |
| 19:54.53 | KriLL3 | or perhaps I should make it: }>:( |
| 19:55.18 | Wraithan | Anyone running dual high end video cards, not in SLI mode |
| 19:55.25 | KriLL3 | me |
| 19:55.27 | KriLL3 | why? |
| 19:55.43 | Wraithan | can you span across the cards without trashing your FPS? |
| 19:55.47 | KriLL3 | GTX 260 + 8800gts |
| 19:55.49 | KriLL3 | no |
| 19:56.01 | Wraithan | Ah, one card or the other? |
| 19:56.16 | KriLL3 | you need a thing called "dualhead" or something like that to expand the current ports on your card to do something like that sans FPS drop |
| 19:56.32 | KriLL3 | well I could span between 2 monitors hooked to one or the other np |
| 19:56.39 | KriLL3 | but not between 2 cards |
| 19:56.53 | Wraithan | Ah ok |
| 19:57.13 | KriLL3 | I run 4 screens, but I tend to play wow on only one of them |
| 19:57.46 | Wraithan | I tend to use 2 screens for wow, but because of my setup I ahve to switch to single monitor/tv in order to watch media on my TV |
| 19:57.51 | KriLL3 | perhaps if you could set the game to be 2x screens wide I'd have the chat etc on one monitor but I think it's too much of a hassle to do that if you don't want a window frame |
| 19:58.17 | Wraithan | KriLL3: it is actually really easy |
| 19:58.22 | KriLL3 | I had EvE Online set up like that after getting a custom loader that set a custom res & loc of a border free window |
| 19:58.37 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: how? |
| 19:59.13 | Wraithan | er, actually, not sure if you can set just 2 monitors to span view in windows |
| 19:59.17 | Wraithan | you can for sure on linux |
| 19:59.19 | KriLL3 | I'd use a viewport addon to have it on only one screen though, that's simple to do |
| 20:00.03 | Wraithan | then you can full screen on those monitors and it will not have a border |
| 20:00.20 | KriLL3 | I haven't seen an option like that yet in windows, it treats each monitor separately, yes the mouse moves between em and you can span stuff etc but maximize a window and it maximizes inside it's current monitor |
| 20:00.36 | Wraithan | KriLL3: span view, not dualhead |
| 20:00.44 | KriLL3 | as said I haven't seen something like that yet |
| 20:00.54 | Wraithan | KriLL3: in the nvidia control panel |
| 20:01.16 | KriLL3 | ... that's a bit scary |
| 20:01.29 | Wraithan | the control panel? |
| 20:01.32 | KriLL3 | I wounder if it manages my quad screen setup with one monitor above the rest |
| 20:01.37 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:01.43 | KriLL3 | I got 3 on a row and one up left |
| 20:01.51 | nevcairiel | not a square? thats gonna be tricky |
| 20:01.59 | KriLL3 | 2x 20'' one 22'' in the middle and a 15'' up left |
| 20:02.24 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: a square doesn't make much sense to me since my main monitor is a bit larger, and I want it straight ahead of me |
| 20:02.26 | Wraithan | KriLL3: I am just not sure you can set it in span view per card or not |
| 20:02.32 | KriLL3 | with the 2x 20'' flanking it |
| 20:03.18 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: I'll try it later prior to shutdown/reboot when I close everything that might get messed up if I suddenly change my screens |
| 20:03.35 | Wraithan | only 3d aps |
| 20:03.40 | Wraithan | everything else will be fine |
| 20:03.42 | KriLL3 | no |
| 20:03.58 | Wraithan | 3d apps include video playback |
| 20:04.03 | KriLL3 | I got a lot of apps that are on monitor # position x/y etc, they all freak when I do stuff like that |
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| 20:04.34 | KriLL3 | hmm when I resize wow it doesn't change in one direction, it changes in both |
| 20:05.26 | KriLL3 | retaining the aspect ratio |
| 20:06.18 | vithos | maybe if you add a custom resolution with rivatuner or something |
| 20:07.20 | KriLL3 | I like my current setup, I'm not going to fiddle with it |
| 20:07.39 | KriLL3 | I use both my monitors at the same time for 2 fullscreen apps anyway |
| 20:08.07 | macan | someone knows a way to play WoW on 2 Screens? |
| 20:08.19 | sb | Kolie: hey :o |
| 20:08.24 | Wraithan | macan: yeah |
| 20:08.30 | KriLL3 | well if you used span instead of separate screen mode you could, but it's problematic in several ways |
| 20:08.44 | KriLL3 | would be nice if you could make it switch to that mode when you start wow and then stop |
| 20:08.47 | NeoTron | like the fact that your character is right between the two |
| 20:09.01 | Kolie | sb: hey |
| 20:09.03 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: well I wouldn't have the viewport across more than one screen |
| 20:09.13 | Wraithan | NeoTron: use something like apeture or CT_ViewPort |
| 20:09.26 | sb | Kolie: got some time to debug that curse client bug? :O |
| 20:09.27 | KriLL3 | you could have chat, bars etc on the other |
| 20:09.33 | Kolie | sb: which? |
| 20:09.40 | KriLL3 | panes etc |
| 20:09.41 | sb | 326 |
| 20:09.42 | jwwpua | [2008/09/19 14:38:28-470-x1]: <string>:"*:OnEvent":2: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got nil)<string>:"*:OnEvent":2: in function <[string "*:OnEvent"]:1> |
| 20:09.45 | jwwpua | anyone know how to fix that? |
| 20:09.46 | Diao | how do you do 2 fullscreen apps at the same time |
| 20:09.51 | sb | Kolie: the "its not working at all" thingie ;) |
| 20:09.52 | KriLL3 | would be cool if you could have all panes, inventory etc open at all times |
| 20:09.53 | Diao | o_O |
| 20:09.54 | Kolie | sbn: Ill look at it, one second |
| 20:09.59 | Wraithan | you display the rendered frame (viewport) on one, then chat, extra action bars, meters, stuff that you don't care about as much in combat |
| 20:10.05 | KriLL3 | Diao: errm 2 or more screens? |
| 20:10.18 | Diao | er |
| 20:10.25 | Diao | i have 2 monitors but i run them off a single card |
| 20:10.26 | Kolie | sb: do me a favor? |
| 20:10.32 | sb | yup!? |
| 20:10.32 | Diao | and i can't fullscreen more than 1 app at a time |
| 20:10.32 | Wraithan | I have a tri-head setup right now |
| 20:10.38 | KriLL3 | Diao: I got 4 monitors running |
| 20:10.42 | KriLL3 | on 2 cards |
| 20:10.45 | Wraithan | Diao: then you are running in span mode, not dual view mode |
| 20:10.46 | Kolie | sb: Close the client. Run a full uninstall. Then install from wardb.com/client.aspx |
| 20:10.49 | macan | i have also 3 screens right now |
| 20:10.49 | Diao | they are in dual view mode |
| 20:10.52 | KriLL3 | you can set it to span or individual mode |
| 20:10.57 | sb | Kolie: already did |
| 20:11.02 | Diao | if i tab from one fullscreen another |
| 20:11.04 | Diao | it minimizes the other :o |
| 20:11.09 | Kolie | sb: Ok. send me your curseclient.log? |
| 20:11.10 | KriLL3 | Diao: set it to the other mode |
| 20:11.10 | sb | Kolie: see "smb" comments on CF :p |
| 20:11.17 | Wraithan | oh, get programs that suck less. |
| 20:11.31 | Diao | oh i assumed you were talking about games :p |
| 20:11.32 | NeoTron | Kolie: speaking of curse, how's it going on OS X? |
| 20:11.41 | sb | Kolie: uhm - i cant find curseclient.log |
| 20:12.24 | KriLL3 | Diao: well I like having 2-4 apps open on one screen each and having each app only maximize on one screen instead of spanning across more than one makes sense to me |
| 20:12.24 | Kolie | sb: C:\users\name\local\appdata\curseclient\curseclient.log i believe. |
| 20:12.29 | Kolie | NeoTron: well actually. |
| 20:12.34 | Diao | oh |
| 20:12.37 | Diao | well if you're talking about like |
| 20:12.41 | Diao | photoshop and firefox or something |
| 20:12.44 | Diao | then yeah i can do that with no problem |
| 20:12.55 | KriLL3 | Diao: you can set it in the Nvidia control panel to "Single display" "Clone" or "Span" I use single display, 2x |
| 20:13.01 | Kolie | NeoTron: I was away all this week setting up our datacenter, so I didn't get much done client wise this week. |
| 20:13.22 | NeoTron | that's a varied work load |
| 20:13.50 | macan | Seams you hav a lot to do. |
| 20:14.35 | AckisWork | did brewfest start already? |
| 20:14.45 | macan | What? |
| 20:14.56 | KriLL3 | starts 20:th |
| 20:14.57 | macan | Brewfest in Februari? |
| 20:15.16 | Wraithan | Curse going to have a linux version of the client or we stuck with wine/3rd party? |
| 20:15.16 | Fisker- | that's tonight |
| 20:15.22 | AckisWork | there was a post about it starting a bit early so wasn't sure... today is pirate day however |
| 20:15.53 | nevcairiel | Wraithan: will be linux too |
| 20:16.11 | KriLL3 | no kodo so I don't care :( |
| 20:16.18 | KriLL3 | **** you blizz |
| 20:16.42 | macan | you still need Wine to WoW =) |
| 20:17.02 | Wraithan | macan: so? |
| 20:17.13 | Wraithan | less things that run through it the better |
| 20:17.22 | macan | yeah right.. |
| 20:17.30 | liquidzoo | Are they not doing the kodos at all, or are they just for horde like I've heard? |
| 20:17.36 | Wraithan | are you saying things run just as well in wine? |
| 20:17.47 | KriLL3 | liquidzoo: not at all from what I've heard |
| 20:17.51 | Wraithan | or that using wine doesn't bloat the resources needed? |
| 20:17.53 | KriLL3 | but horde still gets ram |
| 20:17.53 | macan | no wine isnt not that good |
| 20:18.03 | macan | just when needed |
| 20:18.07 | KriLL3 | how hard is it to boot XP to play wow, really? |
| 20:18.25 | Wraithan | Ok, so like i said, the less things that run through wine the better |
| 20:18.26 | macan | No not auctualy so hard |
| 20:18.41 | nocts|work | What's wrong with running things in WoW? |
| 20:18.43 | Wraithan | KriLL3: not hard, but I'd rather not have to reboot all the time |
| 20:18.43 | liquidzoo | KriLL3: hard for me. No XP on this computer. |
| 20:18.47 | macan | Wrathian: yeah ofc i missunder stand you |
| 20:18.57 | nocts|work | *Wine |
| 20:19.02 | liquidzoo | And that sucks about the kodo...I wanted a brewfest kodo. |
| 20:19.15 | nevcairiel | WoW is ugly and buggy in OpenGL, thats whats wrong with Wine =P |
| 20:19.26 | Wraithan | nevcairiel: when was the last time you used wine+wow? |
| 20:19.36 | KriLL3 | OpenGL is fail anyway |
| 20:19.37 | nevcairiel | last week |
| 20:19.39 | Wraithan | liquidzoo: same boat, I don't even have windows installed |
| 20:19.44 | liquidzoo | Wraithan: You didn't ask me, but I'm using it right now :P |
| 20:19.45 | nocts|work | nevcairiel: So run it in DirectX, not opengl |
| 20:19.48 | Wraithan | nevcairiel: I have yet to experience any bugs |
| 20:19.56 | nevcairiel | nocts|work: i like having more then 5 fps |
| 20:19.57 | liquidzoo | I have Vista...so it's like not having it at all. |
| 20:20.08 | Wraithan | nocts|work: directx version doesn't really work in wine |
| 20:20.17 | macan | Thats why use Windows |
| 20:20.22 | macan | or Mac |
| 20:20.26 | nocts|work | nevcairiel: Wine+wow = more fps than in windows, for me. |
| 20:20.27 | KriLL3 | heavens no |
| 20:20.35 | liquidzoo | nevcairiel: I get 50+ in Linux in the outland, and 30 on the same machine in Vista. |
| 20:20.41 | nocts|work | ^ |
| 20:20.43 | nevcairiel | using DX? |
| 20:20.44 | KriLL3 | 60 everywhere |
| 20:20.47 | KriLL3 | Vista |
| 20:20.48 | Wraithan | macan: or I can use opengl, and geat damn near the same fps as windows |
| 20:20.57 | nocts|work | nevcairiel: Using DX. |
| 20:21.03 | liquidzoo | using OpenGL, which is not buggy for me at all. |
| 20:21.07 | Wraithan | macan: and I don't see any more graphical bugs than the mac folks |
| 20:21.10 | nevcairiel | Whatever, DX fails for me |
| 20:21.20 | macan | I use OpenGL in windos |
| 20:21.25 | macan | windows* |
| 20:21.30 | Wraithan | nocts|work: DX in wine? |
| 20:21.34 | NeoTron | OS X uses OpenGL.. always |
| 20:21.37 | nevcairiel | And WoW in OpenGL .. shadows dont work in wotlk, all the new fog effects are kinda broken |
| 20:21.41 | NeoTron | so I wouldn't say OpenGL is fail |
| 20:21.44 | nocts|work | Wraithan: DX in wine, yes. |
| 20:21.53 | Wraithan | nocts|work: doesn't even start for me. |
| 20:22.21 | Wraithan | nevcairiel: they are probably broken for mac users too |
| 20:22.23 | nocts|work | Wraithan: I've never had a problem, across any computer, with linux and wine in wow. |
| 20:22.26 | Wraithan | so they will get fixed |
| 20:22.34 | KriLL3 | fixed? |
| 20:22.54 | KriLL3 | they'd have to re-do something similar using OpenGL, it's not something that needs "fixing" |
| 20:22.59 | macan | Well Well i gona go FreeBSD if i could |
| 20:23.38 | Wraithan | KriLL3: well nevcairiel says that the fog effects are broken, that would be something that is broken |
| 20:23.49 | Wraithan | macan: SunTsu uses FreeBSD I believe |
| 20:23.52 | nevcairiel | I think it was partly a wine bug |
| 20:23.53 | Wraithan | and he plays wow |
| 20:23.55 | KriLL3 | fog effects aren't done the same across DX and OpenGL |
| 20:24.04 | Wraithan | KriLL3: wow really?! |
| 20:24.17 | Wraithan | KriLL3: like I said, if it is a bug in wine it is probably a bug on mac |
| 20:24.27 | Wraithan | KriLL3: we use the same engine as them |
| 20:24.38 | nevcairiel | You think you do =P |
| 20:24.55 | liquidzoo | and mac is an officially supported platform, that's why it should get fixed. |
| 20:25.01 | nevcairiel | Who knows what the mac release team did to their opengl engine |
| 20:25.04 | KriLL3 | not at all uncommon to have games vary in effects between DX and OpenGL, either because one or the other lacks an efficient method for the effect intended or the authors simply were too lazy/didn't bother implementing it on both |
| 20:25.20 | macan | Wouldnt be possible to run mac apps on linux? |
| 20:25.37 | KriLL3 | not really no |
| 20:25.57 | KriLL3 | osx is a lot more than just a unix kernel |
| 20:25.59 | Wraithan | KriLL3: yeah, obviously, I saying that if it is broken in the opengl engine (Not missing, broken) as nevcairiel said, then they will fix it. |
| 20:26.08 | SunTsu | Wraithan, macan: I do |
| 20:26.21 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: who says they've even implemented it in OGL yet? |
| 20:26.23 | nevcairiel | KriLL3: well another emulator like Wine could do it too ;) |
| 20:26.32 | macan | SunTsu: It works good? |
| 20:26.37 | SunTsu | macan: Great |
| 20:26.41 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: yeah, but that's emu, not really "running it in linux" |
| 20:26.41 | Wraithan | KriLL3: @nevcairiel | And WoW in OpenGL .. shadows dont work in wotlk, all the new fog effects are kinda broken |
| 20:26.44 | nevcairiel | enabling shadows in opengl used to break the whole gfx |
| 20:26.47 | SunTsu | macan: About 10 fps loss, but that's it |
| 20:26.50 | Wraithan | ALL THE NEW FOG EFFECTS ARE KINDA BROKEN |
| 20:26.55 | nevcairiel | didnt really test it on beta again |
| 20:26.57 | Wraithan | jesus KriLL3, read. |
| 20:27.20 | macan | SunTsu: Maeby gonna reboot and try then |
| 20:27.24 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: as said there isn't any actual evidence that it's a bug, might just be that it's not finished yet |
| 20:27.36 | nevcairiel | iirc the fog breakage was a bug in wine itself, not necessarily wow |
| 20:27.39 | Wraithan | KriLL3: if it isn't finished yet it is a defect |
| 20:27.56 | Wraithan | KriLL3: and would be logged appropriately in a defect database |
| 20:28.05 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: is the chassis of a car defective prior to being assembled with all other components of the car? |
| 20:28.16 | nocts|work | nevcairiel: Can you explain your directX problems to me? |
| 20:28.29 | nevcairiel | nocts|work: its damn slow, thats the problem |
| 20:28.40 | nocts|work | And when you run it in opengl? |
| 20:28.42 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: os? gpu? drivers? |
| 20:28.45 | Wraithan | KriLL3: software development and hardware manufactoring are not the same |
| 20:28.51 | Wraithan | KriLL3: what kind of work do you use? |
| 20:28.58 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: huh? |
| 20:28.59 | Wraithan | KriLL3: s/use/do/ |
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| 20:29.05 | nocts|work | The opengl runs faster than the directX mode for me, so also give me the numbers on your opengl |
| 20:29.07 | nevcairiel | gentoo with latest wine from their portage, latest binary nvidia drivers, and a gts 8800 |
| 20:29.18 | nocts|work | You should have 0 problems. |
| 20:29.21 | KriLL3 | electrical engineer, why? |
| 20:29.39 | nevcairiel | opengl runs capped at 60 fps vsync |
| 20:29.43 | nevcairiel | dx tops 10 |
| 20:29.45 | Wraithan | KriLL3: I am QA tech, I know more about what you are talking about than you do. |
| 20:30.01 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: just saying it's not a "bug" if something isn't completed yet |
| 20:30.03 | Wraithan | KriLL3: if it isn't fully implemented then it is a defect of the current build. |
| 20:30.07 | Fisker- | oh nevcairiel |
| 20:30.20 | Fisker- | i am forever lost in your eyes |
| 20:30.39 | KriLL3 | a bug/defect means something is wrong with that's currently implemented, something that isn't intended |
| 20:30.41 | nocts|work | nevcairiel: Wait, so why the beef with having to use opengl in linux with wine? |
| 20:30.46 | nocts|work | If it runs fine? |
| 20:30.50 | KriLL3 | a talent isn't buggy if it's NYI |
| 20:31.11 | nevcairiel | as i said earlier nocts|work, opengl looks crap compared to DX, at least IMHO |
| 20:31.12 | chiper | I have to side with KriLL3 here. it cant be a bug until you've declared it as done |
| 20:31.28 | macan | actualy i go up 10fps in FreeBSD from Ubuntu |
| 20:31.31 | Wraithan | KriLL3: did I say bug, I said defect, also, yes there is something wrong ebcause compared to the desired end result it is a defect, or 'buggy' |
| 20:31.31 | nocts|work | nevcairiel: I think that's fair, but only to a point. |
| 20:31.44 | nocts|work | OpenGL can look as good as DX, if not better on some things. |
| 20:31.54 | nevcairiel | yeah well WoW engine is focused on DX |
| 20:31.56 | nocts|work | WoW simply didn't implement the additional OGL capability. |
| 20:31.57 | nevcairiel | not on opengl |
| 20:31.58 | Fisker- | omg Wraithan |
| 20:31.59 | nocts|work | Right. |
| 20:32.12 | nocts|work | Still, I don't see a huge difference aside from glow effects. |
| 20:32.17 | Fisker- | Then you should be fired Wraithan |
| 20:32.17 | nocts|work | *fullscreen |
| 20:32.26 | Fisker- | "OMG THIS MENU ISN'T WORKING GET TO WORK BASTARDS" |
| 20:32.26 | nevcairiel | Specially with the new fog and shadow features in beta, opengl fails |
| 20:32.29 | nevcairiel | maybe its not done yet |
| 20:32.31 | nevcairiel | but huh |
| 20:32.32 | Fisker- | "But it says it's not yet in?" |
| 20:32.35 | Fisker- | "GET TO WORK BUMS!" |
| 20:32.37 | Wraithan | KriLL3: defects are not tailored to the current status of the project, they are things that need to be fixed before shipping |
| 20:32.43 | Fisker- | i think i've made myself fairly clear |
| 20:32.57 | chiper | Fisker-: exactly |
| 20:33.14 | nevcairiel | I just wanted to give linux another spin and try all i normally do during my day |
| 20:33.19 | Fisker- | You're supposed to test, let alone report any behaviour with anything not implemented |
| 20:33.19 | Fisker- | duh |
| 20:33.22 | nevcairiel | so maybe one day i can finally switch =P |
| 20:33.38 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: you're using an odd terminology, most people differentiate between something yet to be completed as in not yet done and things that need to be fixed |
| 20:33.59 | KriLL3 | features and fixes so to speak |
| 20:34.08 | chiper | the website I'm making for my guild has a gallery link that gives you an error when you click on it. it gives this error because I haven't written the gallery. it's not a defect because the website isn't done yet |
| 20:34.12 | macan | @nevcairiel: DX9.0c or DX10.0? |
| 20:34.30 | nevcairiel | I doubt wow uses 10 |
| 20:34.35 | KriLL3 | DX10.1 > DX10/9 =P |
| 20:34.53 | macan | DX10.1 dont run on XP |
| 20:34.53 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: I don't think it uses anything above DX8 |
| 20:34.59 | KriLL3 | macan: who cares? |
| 20:35.16 | nevcairiel | I have hardware support for DX10 (not 10.1), but i dont think wine uses it |
| 20:35.26 | KriLL3 | I got a GTX 260, it's a DX 10.1 card :> |
| 20:35.41 | Fisker- | it is? |
| 20:35.42 | Wraithan | KriLL3: if features are missing, it is beta blocker, a defect that must be resolved before going beta, if a feature is not completely implemented it is a defect that must be resolved before even considering something is a release canidate |
| 20:35.56 | nevcairiel | I usually run vista though, with DX10 support, and i still doubt WoW would use it =P |
| 20:36.10 | chiper | KriLL3: clearly Wraithan is set in his ways and is not open to legitimate discussion |
| 20:36.33 | chiper | Wraithan: see, this is where you need to understand that blizzard's beta cycle doesn't start with the finished product |
| 20:36.34 | Wraithan | chiper: I am just stating how it is actually done in the business. |
| 20:36.42 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: LK entered beta long ago, still there are a lot of stuff not yet implemented that they want to add, they might not even be done prior to retail, might get patched in later, is LK defective at retail in your opinion? |
| 20:36.42 | nevcairiel | If you care is missing its steering wheel because its not done yet, its kinda defective, isnt it? =P |
| 20:36.48 | macan | DX10 is not supported in XP |
| 20:36.56 | nevcairiel | s/care/car/ |
| 20:37.03 | Wraithan | KriLL3: yes, and they would say the same thing. |
| 20:37.13 | chiper | beta opened up with the understanding that some things just weren't done, but the things that WERE done could be tested |
| 20:37.25 | Wraithan | chiper: that is called alpha. |
| 20:37.49 | Wraithan | chiper: all features should implemented in a testable way before going to beta. |
| 20:37.50 | KriLL3 | sorry but if something lacks features you wanted in there it's not defective in my opinion, a defect is something bad like a serious bug |
| 20:38.00 | nevcairiel | Well if one feature is done for one renderer, but not for the other, in that case i would definately say "shadows are currently broken/defective for opengl" =P |
| 20:38.14 | macan | PreAlpha->Alpha->Beta->Release |
| 20:38.16 | chiper | and I believe the patch notes have a list of all the things that aren't implemented yet so that people don't go running around saying it's a defect |
| 20:38.21 | Sunwind | KriLL3: what happened to blizzards "not releasing our games until we're happy with it and it's fully polished etc" policy? seems they set a release date and are determined to stick to it no matter what gets left out |
| 20:38.39 | KriLL3 | macan: no not in the google release cycle, it's PreAlpha->Alpha->Beta |
| 20:38.39 | nevcairiel | Sunwind. they will push it back if they have to |
| 20:38.47 | Wraithan | chiper: most of those not yet implemented things are content, not features |
| 20:38.48 | chiper | Sunwind: well we do still have two months |
| 20:38.56 | SunTsu | macan: What kind of card are you using? |
| 20:39.01 | KriLL3 | Sunwind: MMOs are inherently getting patched over time, to re-balance things or add content |
| 20:39.02 | Sunwind | for example the new resto shaman 51-point talent won't even have a sound or unique graphic until "a while" after retail, as said by a blue dev on beta forum |
| 20:39.09 | KriLL3 | if WoW stopped at 1.0 it wouldn't be much of a game |
| 20:39.14 | macan | SunTsu:?? on Me BSD? |
| 20:39.18 | SunTsu | macan: Yes |
| 20:39.22 | nevcairiel | Sunwind: visuals =P |
| 20:39.30 | KriLL3 | SunTsu: you'd prefer if wow stopped at 1.0 |
| 20:39.33 | Sunwind | ? |
| 20:39.40 | SunTsu | KriLL3: No, I dont |
| 20:39.55 | chiper | right now the only defect I care about is that my gnome looks like somebody tore his face off and reattached it with a stapler |
| 20:39.55 | Fisker- | Sunwind visuals are not important to the game itself |
| 20:40.07 | nevcairiel | Sunwind: i'd rather see all mechanics implemented and bug free, and get new gfx later, then other way around :) |
| 20:40.11 | KriLL3 | you wanted blizz to release the game in it's current state say 1-2 years ago? |
| 20:40.26 | macan | SunTsu: Nvida Geforce 9000 Gtx |
| 20:40.30 | KriLL3 | just saying, for an mmo content patches isn't a bad thing |
| 20:40.32 | Fisker- | Though you can't really compare the both |
| 20:40.33 | Sunwind | your missing the main point though, their 'rule' is to not release something until its done properly |
| 20:40.40 | Wraithan | chiper: display bugs, yes those are bugs, but often when you see NYI in a beta, it is content not the features that are missing |
| 20:40.41 | KriLL3 | macan: errm, you sure? |
| 20:40.42 | SunTsu | macan: OK, you should have no prob |
| 20:40.45 | Sunwind | but they're rushing it and missing out important things like a classes SPELLS o_o |
| 20:40.45 | Fisker- | tightening the GRAFFIXX is art-department :P |
| 20:40.52 | KriLL3 | I don't think that's an actual card macan |
| 20:41.00 | macan | Krill3: Yeah |
| 20:41.03 | nevcairiel | meh i personally dont consider a missing animation and a sound "not done properly" |
| 20:41.13 | KriLL3 | 9800gtx exists, Nvidia have no x000 cards |
| 20:41.26 | macan | 9800gtx+ sorry misspeld |
| 20:41.28 | Fisker- | It's not "When it's done properly" btw |
| 20:41.31 | Fisker- | it's "when it's ready" |
| 20:41.44 | KriLL3 | it works, it's just not fully polished |
| 20:41.48 | nocts|work | is getting the 4870 ati card |
| 20:41.52 | Fisker- | "properly" would be subjective |
| 20:41.59 | Sunwind | they even replaced the resto 51-point talent to the current crap it is now because they said they couldn't get it working properly and fix the bugs, obviously they just didn't try hard enough and wanted to quick-fix it and ship it as 'working as intended' before the release date, just shows how lazy and EA-like they're becoming |
| 20:42.00 | chiper | nevcairiel: agreed. now, the fact that sounds don't seem to be fading according to proximity... that seems like a pretty nasty one |
| 20:42.11 | KriLL3 | nocts|work: ATI has a lot to prove to me before I ever purchase anything from them ever again |
| 20:42.22 | SunTsu | macan: I play with a 8600gts |
| 20:42.36 | KriLL3 | I got some odd audio bugs in wow, sounds behind me are a lot louder than in front, and my channels are equalized |
| 20:42.41 | Wraithan | at the risk of sounding like KriLL3, most end users may think they understand the process but they don't. also most users have a hard time/don't differenciate between content and features |
| 20:42.57 | Fisker- | no Sunwind it means that they plan their game |
| 20:43.13 | chiper | KriLL3: *nod* I had someone on a helecopter fly over to me. it went from inaudible to FULL BLAST to in audible |
| 20:43.36 | chiper | the stormwind harbor boat bells play at full blast no matter where you are in the harbor |
| 20:43.48 | chiper | with no positioning |
| 20:43.58 | Wraithan | As far as I could tell, this was a beta product when it hit beta, they had all the features implemented in a testable way |
| 20:44.02 | macan | chiper: lol? |
| 20:44.06 | KriLL3 | chiper: I think that's intentional to ensure you notice |
| 20:44.08 | nevcairiel | Sunwind: i would argue you lack the insight of how complicated creating complex mechanics for spells is, and the quality control associated with that ;) |
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| 20:44.15 | Wraithan | even if there was a ton of NYI stuff, that was almost all content |
| 20:44.24 | Fisker- | indeed nevcairiel |
| 20:44.26 | chiper | KriLL3: even when I'm standing in the canal district? |
| 20:44.32 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: errm the majority of instances weren't even in the game |
| 20:44.38 | KriLL3 | chiper: yeah that's a bit far |
| 20:44.44 | Wraithan | KriLL3: are those features or content? |
| 20:44.49 | KriLL3 | content |
| 20:44.50 | nocts|work | KriLL3: They did when I compared them to the current nvidia of similar pricing/power. |
| 20:44.52 | Wraithan | KriLL3: there ya go. |
| 20:44.53 | nevcairiel | isnt content a feature? :D |
| 20:45.04 | Fisker- | lack of content is also a feature >:3 |
| 20:45.10 | KriLL3 | nocts|work: drivers, build quality and heat are my main issues with ATI |
| 20:45.10 | Fisker- | Was looking at cases |
| 20:45.23 | Fisker- | and one of the Antec cases features were "No PSU installed" |
| 20:45.27 | Fisker- | great feature right there |
| 20:45.28 | Wraithan | nevcairiel: technically I guess, but for the sake of how develepment and testing goes, no they aren't the same |
| 20:45.41 | chiper | lol |
| 20:45.42 | KriLL3 | Fisker-: well if you already have PSUs and don't want to buy more bundled it is |
| 20:45.44 | nevcairiel | content needs testing and tweaking too |
| 20:45.48 | macan | i always play with nvida cuz linux/Freebsd drivers dont work good with ATI... |
| 20:45.52 | Wraithan | nevcairiel: agreed |
| 20:45.57 | Fisker- | KriLL3 i know it's great to buy towers without PSU's |
| 20:46.04 | Fisker- | just saying it's a bit overkill to list it as a feature |
| 20:46.05 | Wraithan | but 50% content completion or less is common for a beta |
| 20:46.15 | nocts|work | KriLL3: Drivers aren't the best, 3rd party fixes that, and the cards that I'm looking at don't fail. |
| 20:46.32 | chiper | so really what all this debate comes down to is... you just dont like the way blizzard does their testing. |
| 20:46.41 | KriLL3 | I use 2 cards and you can't mix so I remain Nvidia |
| 20:46.41 | nevcairiel | Wraithan: sure yeah, but who knows what features they still have in the pipeline =P |
| 20:46.51 | Wraithan | chiper: not what Iw as saying at all |
| 20:47.14 | nocts|work | macan: That's changed drastically for linux |
| 20:47.22 | Wraithan | chiper: if you had read the whole convo, it was about KriLL3 telling me it wasn't a defect that the fog shit is broken on the opengl engine |
| 20:47.26 | nocts|work | Especially since ATI's been releasing more and more of it in non-binary format. |
| 20:47.27 | chiper | yes, I think it is. you're upset because they aren't following the "industry" standard for project life cycle |
| 20:47.38 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: why do you think it's broken? |
| 20:47.47 | KriLL3 | might not yet be implemented |
| 20:47.49 | nocts|work | Still, KriLL3, normally I'd agree with you. Long time nvidia user myself. But right now they don't hold a candle for me. |
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| 20:48.04 | Wraithan | chiper: I am actually agreeing with the bliz cycle not disagreeing |
| 20:48.10 | chiper | KriLL3: fog would be something that already existed before |
| 20:48.16 | KriLL3 | nocts|work: I'm Intel/Asus/Nvidia/EVGA |
| 20:48.21 | chiper | so in this case, yeah, Wraithan is right |
| 20:48.29 | nocts|work | KriLL3: I'm Asus/AMD/Nvidia |
| 20:48.42 | nocts|work | Only recently had to go Asus/Intel/ATI because of the power/price differences. |
| 20:48.53 | chiper | you kept talking about stuff not being implemented yet, like it was a new feature |
| 20:49.00 | nocts|work | Intel has stomped AMD, so I go Intel. ATI is stomping the nvidia cards, so I'm going ATI. |
| 20:49.04 | macan | i Use Intel/nvida |
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| 20:49.13 | nocts|work | Not completely happy, but it's nothing but good reviews and statistics for the hardware. |
| 20:49.16 | Wraithan | KriLL3: because if you can see it, and it doesn't look right, it is broken, and I was going by what nevcairiel said, I have only been doing addon dev for the last several weeks, no real content testing on beta/ptr |
| 20:49.19 | KriLL3 | GTX 260 isn't stomped |
| 20:49.29 | macan | Creactiv for voice |
| 20:49.33 | nocts|work | GTX260 isn't supposed to compare to the 4870, now is it? |
| 20:49.39 | chiper | I ditched AMD when I saw how much cooler the Core 2 Duos were compared to AMD's dual core procs |
| 20:49.43 | nocts|work | That's a really dumb statement, KriLL3 :P |
| 20:49.45 | KriLL3 | nocts|work: what's the price diff? |
| 20:49.47 | chiper | my office is hot enough already |
| 20:49.50 | nocts|work | KriLL3: Huge. |
| 20:49.57 | KriLL3 | in what direction? |
| 20:50.01 | nevcairiel | All i play is WoW anyway, and its not GPU limited |
| 20:50.04 | nocts|work | The gx260 being more. |
| 20:50.04 | nevcairiel | it eats all my CPU |
| 20:50.09 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 20:50.12 | nocts|work | For a very minor speed increase, a huge power consumption and heat increase. |
| 20:50.19 | KriLL3 | well I got a GTX 260 and I'm happy with it |
| 20:50.22 | nocts|work | Right now, for the price range of the 4870, the ati wins for me. |
| 20:50.31 | nocts|work | 4870 and downwards, really. |
| 20:50.34 | Wraithan | Currently I am Intel/nVidia, for a long time I was AMD/nVidia |
| 20:50.48 | nocts|work | I'd love to stay nvidia, but the numbers don't hold up. |
| 20:50.54 | KriLL3 | I got 1200w, 2x 140mm fans on top, a 200mm fan on the side and 3x 120mm fans |
| 20:50.58 | macan | my WoW need more RAM by the moment. |
| 20:50.58 | nevcairiel | I switched to Intel/nvidia too with a C2D |
| 20:51.01 | KriLL3 | I don't mind heat and power |
| 20:51.11 | KriLL3 | I got a Q6600 @ 3.3 |
| 20:51.11 | Fisker- | I WANT MY NEHALEM |
| 20:51.23 | Fisker- | Not so >:3 about the 6xMemory Modules though |
| 20:51.31 | nevcairiel | I got a E6750 @ 3.2 right now |
| 20:51.37 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: and pricy ddr3 |
| 20:51.43 | macan | i just got 1,5GB ram... |
| 20:51.43 | nocts|work | KriLL3: We're bumping out 6600's to 4.1 |
| 20:51.52 | macan | Need uppgrade.. |
| 20:51.52 | Fisker- | nevcairiel it's pricy? |
| 20:52.00 | nevcairiel | right now it is |
| 20:52.03 | nocts|work | And I do mind heat and power, our parts last a long time and we both plan on heavily overclocking. |
| 20:52.08 | chiper | DDR3 is, yeah |
| 20:52.10 | nocts|work | Another part in which the nvidia chipsets didn't hold up on. |
| 20:52.11 | KriLL3 | nocts|work: mine is the earlier stepping and I'd prefer it not to die anytime soon =P |
| 20:52.16 | chiper | DDR2 is dirt cheap |
| 20:52.24 | Wraithan | nevcairiel: I have a E6600 @ 3.2, but i am using DDR2 |
| 20:52.25 | Fisker- | agh |
| 20:52.34 | nocts|work | KriLL3: We'll be running 4.1 at about 35-40 under load, you must have a bad chip. |
| 20:52.34 | KriLL3 | nocts|work: I've OC:ed my GTX260 a ton |
| 20:52.48 | KriLL3 | nocts|work: water cooler? |
| 20:52.50 | nocts|work | KriLL3: Again, the gtx260 is no where near the conversation we're talking about it. |
| 20:52.52 | nocts|work | KriLL3: Nope. |
| 20:53.10 | KriLL3 | a Q6600 runs at 50-60 at 3.3 with a supreme air cooler and airflow |
| 20:53.20 | nocts|work | Not a wolfdale :P |
| 20:53.22 | KriLL3 | remember a Q6600 is 2.4 stock |
| 20:53.24 | nocts|work | And that's been proven time and time again. |
| 20:53.26 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 20:53.45 | Primer | I've run my E6600 at 3.2 for a while |
| 20:53.57 | chiper | hmm, I need to find some place that sells sleeves for 3.5" drives |
| 20:53.58 | KriLL3 | nocts|work: that's not even a Q6600 |
| 20:53.59 | Primer | it made a substantial difference in some benchmarks I ran |
| 20:54.05 | KriLL3 | Q6600 is a Kentsfield |
| 20:54.14 | KriLL3 | you're talking about a totally different chip |
| 20:54.17 | Primer | but then in the summer my computer was running with CPU cores at 70° |
| 20:54.23 | Primer | Celsius |
| 20:54.29 | Primer | and I had to clock it back down |
| 20:54.45 | Wraithan | I have used Tylersburg, that is a nice chip |
| 20:54.52 | nocts|work | KriLL3: Bah, sorry, shouldn't work and type at the same time. Mind is in two places. |
| 20:54.53 | KriLL3 | "Wolfdale is the codename for the E7000 and E8000 series of Core 2 Duo desktop processors" |
| 20:54.56 | Primer | I even have this monster heat sync too: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16835154001 |
| 20:54.57 | nocts|work | Wolfdale e8400 |
| 20:55.02 | Belazor | My Q6600 runs at 3.0 on a non-stock air cooler |
| 20:55.09 | nocts|work | Which runs as cool as fuck, even OCed. |
| 20:55.12 | nevcairiel | yeah wolfdale are only dual core |
| 20:55.16 | KriLL3 | Belazor: 3.3 here |
| 20:55.20 | nocts|work | I don't need a quad :P At all. |
| 20:55.26 | KriLL3 | I do |
| 20:55.28 | nocts|work | For what? |
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| 20:55.32 | nocts|work | What do you run that's quad? |
| 20:55.34 | Belazor | I just wanted to tap it up to 3 as my old P4 ran at 3.2 XD |
| 20:55.38 | nevcairiel | Well dont compare your cpu to a Q6600 then =P |
| 20:55.38 | KriLL3 | except when playing wow, it never ever uses more than 50% of 2 |
| 20:55.46 | KriLL3 | nocts|work: multitasking |
| 20:55.56 | nocts|work | LOL |
| 20:55.57 | Primer | My home box has 4g of ram now :) |
| 20:55.58 | nocts|work | Fail. |
| 20:56.02 | Wraithan | I have a dual and second computer that is synergy'd |
| 20:56.06 | nocts|work | Not even Vista handles quad core processing properly. |
| 20:56.20 | Belazor | I suppose you can prove that |
| 20:56.23 | KriLL3 | nocts|work: it actually does, but you can force it with affinity |
| 20:56.43 | KriLL3 | wow always uses 1 & 2, you can set app you know you'll run at the same time to 3 & 4 |
| 20:57.39 | nocts|work | I still don't see the need for quad. |
| 20:57.48 | nocts|work | I don't see multitasking even taking full use of four cores. |
| 20:57.50 | nocts|work | Not yet. |
| 20:57.57 | KriLL3 | I understand that if you're not a gamer or use 4 screens with one app each |
| 20:57.57 | Primer | Maybe he's dual boxing on on box |
| 20:58.02 | Primer | s/on on/on one/ |
| 20:58.21 | nocts|work | KriLL3: I am a gamer, and on dual cores + multi tasking I still rarely hit 99%. |
| 20:58.35 | nocts|work | Too few applications even follow Vista design rules and stick to the designated core |
| 20:58.44 | KriLL3 | nocts|work: I meant recent and hardware intensive games |
| 20:58.44 | nocts|work | They revert back to core 1 on a new thread process. |
| 20:58.50 | nocts|work | KriLL3: I am too. |
| 20:58.59 | Primer | AFAIK, it's up to the kernel to assign what thread/process runs where |
| 20:59.02 | Primer | not the application |
| 20:59.04 | nocts|work | ^ |
| 20:59.06 | KriLL3 | all UE3 games make full use of 4 cores |
| 20:59.08 | nocts|work | That's the vista design flaw. |
| 20:59.26 | nocts|work | The kernel designates it, but the programs that deal with mutlithreading still use core 1 and 2 codew. |
| 20:59.35 | nocts|work | Bypassing the kernel designation. |
| 20:59.54 | Primer | err |
| 21:00.09 | Primer | How does an application pre-empt the kernel? |
| 21:00.19 | CIA-58 | 03lilsparky * r81892 10Baggins_SectionColor/readme.txt: |
| 21:00.19 | CIA-58 | Baggins_SectionColor: |
| 21:00.19 | CIA-58 | -added readme file |
| 21:00.30 | nocts|work | Kernel drops threadID and treats the new thread request as a seperate process. |
| 21:00.43 | Primer | separate |
| 21:00.46 | nocts|work | Don't think about it in application names, think about it in threadID calls. |
| 21:01.24 | Primer | I'd call that a flaw in the kernel scheduler |
| 21:01.29 | nocts|work | Welcome to Vista. |
| 21:01.34 | Primer | touché |
| 21:01.46 | nocts|work | When Windows 7 comes out, I'll worry about quad. |
| 21:01.48 | nevcairiel | Just wait until end of next year, and you'll already have a hard time getting a dual core =P |
| 21:02.02 | nocts|work | Until then, the OSes we're running on don't even properly handle thread allocation, recore requests, and similar. |
| 21:02.22 | nocts|work | It's botched, and the "but it only uses x of the cores?!" is a design flaw because you're looking at falsified data misread by the kernel itself. |
| 21:02.39 | KriLL3 | nehalem changes that ofc, overclocks 2 cores if you don't use 4 |
| 21:03.00 | nocts|work | I might as well buy a dual core and overclock it. |
| 21:03.10 | Groktar | devours KriLL3's soul |
| 21:03.21 | nocts|work | We'll be getting more than a Ghz OC speed out of each core. |
| 21:04.02 | nocts|work | Primer: Damn you for knowing how to create that e :P |
| 21:04.18 | Primer | xmodmap hackery |
| 21:04.23 | KriLL3 | hit ´, hit e |
| 21:04.25 | KriLL3 | done |
| 21:04.30 | nocts|work | Primer: Nice. |
| 21:04.52 | KriLL3 | è á à à ì |
| 21:04.58 | Primer | KriLL3: not every keyboard layout does that |
| 21:05.03 | nocts|work | ^ |
| 21:05.03 | Primer | en likely doesn't do that |
| 21:05.08 | KriLL3 | bah, mine is supreme then |
| 21:05.15 | Primer | then do this: ⬠|
| 21:05.16 | KriLL3 | yours are fail |
| 21:05.18 | Primer | ¶ |
| 21:05.20 | KriLL3 | ⬠|
| 21:05.24 | KriLL3 | alt gr + E |
| 21:05.27 | Primer | c/p doesn't count! |
| 21:05.35 | Primer | ²³¼½¯ |
| 21:05.37 | Pkekyo| | PANTS |
| 21:05.46 | Primer | ⫠⪠⥠|
| 21:05.50 | Primer | hehe |
| 21:05.51 | KriLL3 | Primer: that I can't do without alt + numpad |
| 21:06.00 | KriLL3 | except ½ |
| 21:06.02 | nocts|work | http://www.guidespot.com/guides/21_best_mugshots_evar |
| 21:06.02 | KriLL3 | got that |
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| 21:08.17 | Groktar | pokes wowace.com |
| 21:08.21 | Groktar | what's going on with the new site? |
| 21:09.42 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 21:09.47 | KriLL3 | looks the same |
| 21:09.48 | Pkekyo| | rofl nocts|work |
| 21:10.10 | nocts|work | Pkekyo|: <3 See? We can argue and still cuddle |
| 21:11.08 | Groktar | sighs at KriLL3 |
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| 21:13.17 | Funkeh` | any good free software that lets you play dvds from other regions |
| 21:13.32 | Funkeh` | In WMP apparently I can only change the region 4 times |
| 21:14.09 | Matrix110| | Isnt it bound to the DVD Drive (not sure) |
| 21:14.19 | Funkeh` | the dvd drive plays anything |
| 21:14.31 | Daemona | VLC? |
| 21:14.35 | Matrix110| | Yes but I meant the regioncode stuff |
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| 21:14.39 | Daemona | http://videolan.org |
| 21:15.04 | Matrix110| | But ye try VLC |
| 21:15.08 | Matrix110| | or Zoom Player |
| 21:15.11 | Funkeh` | Is that a guess? |
| 21:15.16 | Matrix110| | Media Player Classic |
| 21:15.20 | Pkekyo| | nocts|work: wth are you on about? |
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| 21:15.56 | Matrix110| | The region code stuff is not a guess I think I read it somewhere but Iam not sure if it was exactly like that as I never changed my region code :P |
| 21:16.10 | CIA-58 | 03Sorontur * r81893 10BossTactics/ (18 files in 2 dirs): |
| 21:16.10 | CIA-58 | BossTactics: initial commit |
| 21:16.10 | CIA-58 | - Framework for easy explaining bosstactics ingame |
| 21:16.29 | Matrix110| | So It might be only Player bound aswell... |
| 21:17.03 | Groktar | o wow, DR on dodge/parry/miss |
| 21:17.27 | CIA-58 | 03starlon * r81894 10StarTip/ (Modules/Fade.lua StarTip.lua): |
| 21:17.27 | CIA-58 | StarTip: |
| 21:17.27 | CIA-58 | - Fixes an error |
| 21:17.27 | CIA-58 | - Return hooks even if they don't return anything |
| 21:17.33 | KriLL3 | DR? |
| 21:17.39 | Groktar | on the ratings |
| 21:17.44 | KriLL3 | DR? |
| 21:17.51 | Groktar | diminishing returns |
| 21:17.57 | Groktar | durp |
| 21:18.13 | KriLL3 | on the ratings? what do you mean? |
| 21:18.19 | Groktar | similar to how armor works |
| 21:18.31 | KriLL3 | ...? |
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| 21:19.00 | Funkeh` | Ok installing VLC lets check its out |
| 21:19.03 | Groktar | so dodge/parry rating increases your time to live by a linear amount |
| 21:19.39 | NeoTron | it seems pretty crazy now |
| 21:19.48 | Pkekyo| | what the flying fuck are those arsehats at blizzard snorting? |
| 21:19.52 | NeoTron | like the on-use trinkets adding like 0.3% |
| 21:20.01 | Pkekyo| | DR on fucking dodge and parry? this damn well better be PvP only? |
| 21:20.01 | NeoTron | or 0.03% or wahtever |
| 21:20.30 | Groktar | ya, it sounds awfully broken from reading the threads on beta forums |
| 21:20.30 | Groktar | but it was necessary, imo |
| 21:20.31 | Groktar | was fine pre-tbc when tank gear wasn't itemized with avoidance |
| 21:20.50 | Pkekyo| | Groktar: PvP only, right? |
| 21:20.57 | Groktar | no |
| 21:21.11 | Pkekyo| | so stacking block into the skies is now the only way to go? >.< |
| 21:21.12 | Groktar | each point of dodge/parry rating adds less dodge/parry than the point before |
| 21:21.17 | Matrix110| | "DVD computer drives can usually have their firmware reflashed for less-stringent regional control (i.e, RPC-1 instead of RPC-2). Replacement firmware can be downloaded from the RPC-1 firmware site. Certain computer drives don't even need to be reflashed, instead a program to issue a disable, reset or switch code to the drive is sufficient." |
| 21:21.30 | Groktar | look at it this way |
| 21:21.31 | Pkekyo| | holy jumping fucking shitballs...the faggotry at blizzard reaches new heights |
| 21:21.38 | Groktar | on live it's exactly the opposite of DR |
| 21:21.39 | Matrix110| | So yes its drive bound Funkeh` |
| 21:21.41 | Pkekyo| | Groktar: oh, the stats? |
| 21:21.44 | Matrix110| | (if it is) |
| 21:21.53 | Groktar | each point of dodge/parry is more effective than the point before |
| 21:21.54 | Pkekyo| | I thought you meant the actual actions of dodging and parrying |
| 21:21.58 | Groktar | o no |
| 21:22.03 | Groktar | that's why i said "similar to armor" |
| 21:22.08 | ckknight | Pkekyo|: hrm? |
| 21:22.13 | Pkekyo| | blizz are still cocksmokers though |
| 21:22.15 | Pkekyo| | ckknight: eh? |
| 21:22.19 | ckknight | faggotry? |
| 21:22.26 | Funkeh` | Matrix110|, that was kind of a daunting explanation |
| 21:22.39 | Pkekyo| | ckknight: faggotry. |
| 21:22.52 | Funkeh` | It was WMP in specific that told me it could only change regions 4 times, like it's specific software |
| 21:23.06 | Funkeh` | As if it was separate, if you know what I mean |
| 21:23.17 | Groktar | will give it a couple builds before he panics about on use dodge trinkets adding only .03% dodge |
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| 21:23.32 | Matrix110| | "Older DVD drives use RPC-1 firmware, which means the drive allows DVDs from any region to play. Newer drives use RPC-2 firmware, which enforces the DVD region coding at the hardware level. These drives can often be reflashed with hacked or Australia and New Zealand (hardware region coding prohibited by law in these countries) RPC-1 firmware, effectively making the drive region-free. However, this usually voids the warranty and can render |
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| 21:23.56 | Matrix110| | that better? .P |
| 21:23.58 | Funkeh` | ahh |
| 21:24.08 | Funkeh` | So I guess I have the older software |
| 21:24.27 | NeoTron | this kind of screws over DK tanks the most |
| 21:24.37 | NeoTron | since they are pretty much the highest avoidance tank atm |
| 21:25.04 | Matrix110| | But Funkeh` DVD Decrypter removes Region Code within some mins and copies the disc to your HDD so it doesnt really matter in the end anyway :P |
| 21:25.19 | Pkekyo| | NeoTron: honestly, until they get a sword'n bard, fuck'em |
| 21:25.30 | Funkeh` | Matrix110|, sounds good to me |
| 21:25.35 | Funkeh` | But going to try vlc first |
| 21:26.49 | NeoTron | Pkekyo|: sword'n'bard eh? |
| 21:26.56 | Pkekyo| | board even |
| 21:26.59 | NeoTron | DK's don't use shields so.. what is the point of your comment? |
| 21:27.07 | NeoTron | just like druids don't use shields. imagine that. |
| 21:27.21 | Pkekyo| | my point is DK = poopoo |
| 21:27.33 | Fisker- | why so region coding anyways? |
| 21:27.34 | Pkekyo| | druids are poopoo too, but they can also heal me, so they're fine |
| 21:27.41 | Fisker- | has always seemed like a terrible idea |
| 21:28.08 | Funkeh` | Matrix110|, I'm guessing the decrypter works even though it's back from like 2005? |
| 21:28.11 | Pkekyo| | Fisker-: so they can earn more money when you buy the wrong region and you'll have to buy the movie again |
| 21:28.17 | Funkeh` | Or is there a new version |
| 21:28.28 | syeren | Ellipsis / ckknight, is there a version of DogTags working for WotLK yet? |
| 21:28.44 | Matrix110| | Funkeh` Ive got no idea I would need to check myself but it should work as AACS on the DVD is failure³ anyway so it SHOULD work |
| 21:28.47 | ckknight | I haven't checked it out yet |
| 21:29.26 | NeoTron | Pkekyo|: how mature of you. good thing blizzard doesn't subscribe to your idea that anything you don't agree with is poop |
| 21:29.36 | syeren | Well please do ckknight ;p |
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| 21:51.41 | CIA-58 | 03Sorontur * r81895 10BossTactics/: |
| 21:51.41 | CIA-58 | BossTactics: |
| 21:51.41 | CIA-58 | - updated externals |
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| 21:57.29 | Gnarfoz | Shefki: /slap |
| 21:57.48 | CIA-58 | 03Sorontur * r81896 10BossTactics/libs/: |
| 21:57.48 | CIA-58 | BossTactics: |
| 21:57.48 | CIA-58 | - added libs folder |
| 21:57.49 | Gnarfoz | FtH|Daemona: authenticators are here :> |
| 21:57.58 | FtH|Daemona | \o/ |
| 21:58.03 | FtH|Daemona | having some fun here too |
| 21:58.11 | FtH|Daemona | tethering my iPhone to my laptop |
| 21:58.15 | FtH|Daemona | geeky stuff ;) |
| 21:58.25 | FtH|Daemona | pm me the info i need |
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| 22:07.28 | CIA-58 | 03Sorontur * r81897 10BossTactics/: |
| 22:07.28 | CIA-58 | BossTactics: |
| 22:07.28 | CIA-58 | - typed some externals wrong -.- this is corrected |
| 22:11.23 | CIA-58 | 03Sorontur * r81898 10BossTactics/ (. embeds.xml): |
| 22:11.23 | CIA-58 | BossTactics: |
| 22:11.23 | CIA-58 | - updated embeds.xml so that it fits to convention |
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| 22:15.15 | CIA-58 | 03Sorontur * r81899 10BossTactics/embeds.xml: |
| 22:15.15 | CIA-58 | BossTactics: |
| 22:15.15 | CIA-58 | - another update in embeds.xml |
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| 22:20.27 | CIA-58 | 03Sorontur * r81900 10BT_BlackTemple/ (18 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:20.27 | CIA-58 | BT_BlackTemple: |
| 22:20.27 | CIA-58 | - initial commit |
| 22:20.51 | NeoTron | seems like a bad timing to check in boss tactics for BT.. :P |
| 22:21.15 | Hjalte | I was thinking the same thing. I hope these add something fantastic. |
| 22:21.38 | CIA-58 | 03Sorontur * r81901 10BT_Eye/ (12 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:21.38 | CIA-58 | BT_Eye: |
| 22:21.38 | CIA-58 | - initial commit |
| 22:23.11 | CIA-58 | 03Sorontur * r81902 10BT_Gruul/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:23.11 | CIA-58 | BT_Gruul: |
| 22:23.11 | CIA-58 | - initial commit |
| 22:25.44 | CIA-58 | 03Sorontur * r81903 10BT_Maggi/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:25.44 | CIA-58 | BT_Maggi: |
| 22:25.44 | CIA-58 | - module for BossTactics, initial commit |
| 22:27.00 | CIA-58 | 03Sorontur * r81904 10BT_MH/ (9 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:27.01 | CIA-58 | BT_MH: |
| 22:27.01 | CIA-58 | - module for BossTactics, initial commit |
| 22:27.45 | NeoTron | Maggi? Ok then. |
| 22:28.15 | CIA-58 | 03Sorontur * r81905 10BT_SSC/ (13 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:28.15 | CIA-58 | BT_SSC: |
| 22:28.15 | CIA-58 | - module for BossTactics, initial commit |
| 22:28.35 | Carancu | isn't it a little bit late for those tactics now? |
| 22:29.16 | CIA-58 | cork: 03Tekkub 07master * re487d34 10/ templates/RaidBuffer.lua : Fix raid buffer not actually checking if people in the group need a buff - http://is.gd/2REp |
| 22:29.24 | CIA-58 | 03Sorontur * r81906 10BT_ZA/ (12 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:29.24 | CIA-58 | BT_ZA: |
| 22:29.24 | CIA-58 | - module for BossTactics, initial commit |
| 22:31.02 | ulic | Carancu: the small guilds that maybe didn't do 25-mans at 70, might want to go back and do them at 80 for the achievements. |
| 22:31.29 | Carancu | that is true. |
| 22:33.35 | ulic | heck for that matter I'm going to have to relearn/remember some of the level 60 raids :) |
| 22:34.09 | Carancu | not that the tactics used back at lvl 60 is really a must nowdays, for most bosses that is. |
| 22:35.27 | Carancu | forgetting to dispell at Chromagus was something I did though, so, I gues you ain't alone with have to reremeber the fights. |
| 22:37.11 | Wraithan | y so spam CIA-58 |
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| 22:45.06 | Adirelle | night |
| 22:47.15 | AckisWork | anyone have kagaro on an IM client? |
| 22:48.48 | Wraithan | so, using the word 'hacking' in guild chat tends to be a touchy thing |
| 22:49.06 | Wraithan | "Hey wraith, what're you up to?" |
| 22:49.17 | Funkeh` | Matrix110|, I've decrypted it all into these bup files |
| 22:49.19 | Wraithan | "A bit of hacking" |
| 22:49.20 | Funkeh` | now what ;p |
| 22:49.35 | Wraithan | then people go wtf... blah blah |
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| 22:52.15 | Aens|Superiority | I forget, how much hit rating is 1% melee hit atm? |
| 22:52.20 | Aens|Superiority | 22? |
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| 22:59.04 | Funkeh` | Matrix110|, nvm VLC plays the files |
| 23:03.18 | Wraithan | Ever listen to the same cd like 10+ times and just notice a song for the first time? |
| 23:03.27 | Wraithan | not in a row but over time |
| 23:05.21 | liquidzoo | I know I'll probably get 3 different answers here, but do I stay fire or go frost on my mage at almost 68? |
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| 23:05.45 | Wraithan | liquidzoo: I <3 my frost mage |
| 23:05.56 | Wraithan | liquidzoo: honestly depends on how you like to play |
| 23:06.06 | Wraithan | I simply prefer being frost |
| 23:06.30 | liquidzoo | I've been fire from the start, but I'm considering changing with the changes to the trees coming up. |
| 23:06.50 | Wraithan | change when the new trees come out if that is the case |
| 23:07.17 | liquidzoo | I want to stay alive and still be able to power through my quests. |
| 23:07.29 | Wraithan | frost is all about stayin alive |
| 23:08.06 | RichiH | is there any plugin that will make all spells i cast using the number keys to target=targettarget in case target is friendly? |
| 23:08.11 | liquidzoo | currently 2/45/11 @ 67 |
| 23:09.51 | Wraithan | liquidzoo: try it out, worse case you wasted like 10-50G on respecing |
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| 23:10.43 | liquidzoo | that's true, and even if it's 50, that's only a couple of quests once I hit 70 (still have 2 completely untouched zones at almost 68) |
| 23:10.59 | liquidzoo | not including dailies |
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| 23:13.45 | RichiH | the question is if it pays off to invest time into questing with wotklk to be released in 54 days |
| 23:15.12 | liquidzoo | Since I'm only 67, and I would like to hit 70 on my mage before this expansion (cause I was SLOW before TBC and was only at 56), I would say yes. |
| 23:15.20 | [NNUser] | may as well, you won't want to do them when it's out |
| 23:15.25 | liquidzoo | different toon, but still. |
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| 23:21.06 | Pkekyo| | should I watch Firefly? |
| 23:22.11 | liquidzoo | yes |
| 23:22.26 | liquidzoo | Have you not seen it before? |
| 23:23.24 | Pkekyo| | I have |
| 23:23.30 | Pkekyo| | but I'm bored :( |
| 23:23.54 | liquidzoo | do it, then |
| 23:24.04 | liquidzoo | Or Red Dwarf, if you have it. |
| 23:24.14 | Pkekyo| | I don't |
| 23:26.40 | liquidzoo | good show. Weird, but funny. |
| 23:27.17 | Pkekyo| | I'd get it, but my lazyness is at a peak today |
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| 23:37.50 | Wraithan | Pkekyo|: hulu is good if you are lazy |
| 23:39.00 | Pkekyo| | eh? |
| 23:39.56 | Wraithan | Pkekyo|: you in the US/canada? |
| 23:40.00 | Pkekyo| | nyet |
| 23:40.07 | Wraithan | ah nevermind |
| 23:40.24 | Pkekyo| | doh |
| 23:41.26 | Pkekyo| | any good standup I should be aware of? |
| 23:41.43 | Wraithan | nothign against where you are from, but with all the international copyright issues, they make all these rules |
| 23:42.49 | Pkekyo| | eh? |
| 23:43.55 | Pkekyo| | it's illegal to recommend standup comedy to foreigners or something in the US? |
| 23:44.10 | [SW]Dodge | kek |
| 23:44.46 | Ellipsis | yes Pkekyo| |
| 23:44.57 | nocts|work | http://www.leenks.com/link120168.html |
| 23:45.00 | Ellipsis | we can be sent to jail for it :( |
| 23:45.04 | Pkekyo| | actually, that wouldn't surprise me |
| 23:45.43 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: now gimme some standup and have fun at guantanamo |
| 23:46.28 | [SW]Dodge | nocts|work: wow thats amazing O_o |
| 23:46.43 | nocts|work | Very |
| 23:46.53 | [SW]Dodge | the dolphins rule |
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| 23:46.57 | Ellipsis | interesting |
| 23:47.18 | Ellipsis | I've seen them do those before, but I guess that must be a bigger one just for the olympics? |
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| 23:48.32 | Ellipsis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2LUz2WVcek for moar infoz |
| 23:50.50 | [SW]Dodge | some of the effects of notcs link look like fake but its amazing that it is true! o.o |
| 23:52.01 | Pkekyo| | impressive... three channels filled to the brim with people unable to recommend standup even if their life's on the line |
| 23:52.05 | Pkekyo| | ...it is by the way... |
| 23:52.27 | Ellipsis | not all of us watch standup I guess? |
| 23:52.43 | Pkekyo| | well SOMETHING must've tickled your funnybone once upon a time |
| 23:52.55 | smcn | comedians of comedy |
| 23:52.59 | sb | meh |
| 23:53.01 | [SW]Dodge | Pkekyo|: i just know some german standups but at least i'm not really sure if they are good :D |
| 23:53.02 | sb | failed in BRD :/ |
| 23:53.10 | Ellipsis | not really :P standup doesn't get shown a lot in the US |
| 23:53.27 | Stanzilla | are we getting mounts again this brewfest? |
| 23:53.32 | Pkekyo| | get fucking comedy central! :p |
| 23:53.36 | sb | Stanzilla: yep, drops in BRD |
| 23:53.46 | [SW]Dodge | US = talkshows with fat or ugly girls who think they are sexy :D |
| 23:53.48 | Stanzilla | from which boss? |
| 23:53.57 | sb | new boss |
| 23:54.01 | Stanzilla | where is he? :P |
| 23:54.07 | Stanzilla | tavern? |
| 23:54.10 | sb | yep |
| 23:54.12 | Stanzilla | kk thx |
| 23:54.12 | sb | but you can port there |
| 23:54.30 | sb | just enter the instance and you will see :p |
| 23:54.38 | sb | but we just failed with 3 people :/ |
| 23:54.52 | [SW]Dodge | mount drop in brd? which one? |
| 23:55.02 | sb | brewfest kodo i think |
| 23:55.15 | Stanzilla | it is |
| 23:55.19 | Stanzilla | just saw someone with it |
| 23:55.32 | Stanzilla | alliance kodos :D |
| 23:57.23 | [SW]Dodge | wowheaded for kodo in Items>misc>mounts but no brewfest one :( |
| 23:57.54 | [SW]Dodge | and "brew" only gives the Rams |
