| 00:04.03 | KriLL3 | anyone know of a site with a list of pvp gear? I've found a really nice one for PvE gear but it's rating of items doesn't take resilience or survivability (stam, dodge etc) in mind |
| 00:06.42 | Wraithan | lootrank? |
| 00:07.13 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 00:07.35 | Wraithan | just gotta set the weights at whatever you want them to be |
| 00:08.26 | orionshock | grrr.... |
| 00:08.38 | orionshock | trying to make guildbank alt, not working so well |
| 00:08.38 | Wraithan | !points 300 |
| 00:08.39 | orionshock | :\ |
| 00:08.39 | Xinhuan | 300 arena points require 1300(5s), 1486(3s) and 1545(2s) team rating. |
| 00:10.12 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: lootrank? |
| 00:10.48 | Wraithan | KriLL3: it is a gear listing site, and you can set the weights how ever you want |
| 00:11.05 | Wraithan | so it can factor in res/stam/whatever |
| 00:11.15 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 00:11.17 | KriLL3 | it's not a site |
| 00:11.23 | KriLL3 | it's a semi interactive spread sheet |
| 00:11.25 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 00:12.33 | Wraithan | ok, so you want some place that rates gear based on some arbitrary numbers that may or may not have anything to do with your spec, and lists them out for you in a static manor? |
| 00:12.46 | Wraithan | no offence, but that seems stupid to me. |
| 00:13.04 | KriLL3 | it's a lot easier to grasp |
| 00:13.29 | Wraithan | are you too dumb to imput numbers and do your own weights for lootrank? |
| 00:13.39 | Wraithan | Just an honest question |
| 00:14.16 | Wraithan | the average site for melee gear would probably weight +hit WAY higher than I would |
| 00:14.23 | Wraithan | but I am a melee shaman |
| 00:14.32 | KriLL3 | well a melee shaman needs a lot of hit |
| 00:14.36 | KriLL3 | they miss a lot |
| 00:14.39 | Wraithan | um, no |
| 00:14.44 | KriLL3 | um, yes |
| 00:14.51 | Wraithan | you have no idea how a melee shaman works in that case. |
| 00:14.51 | KriLL3 | WF proc *3x dodge* |
| 00:15.01 | Wraithan | I dont miss WF |
| 00:15.03 | Wraithan | or SS |
| 00:15.05 | Wraithan | ever. |
| 00:15.11 | KriLL3 | I got 44% dodge |
| 00:16.07 | Wraithan | Sorry, I think in terms of PvE, still, hit rating is garbage for shamans over other stats, useful in pvp, but still not great |
| 00:16.16 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 00:16.38 | Wraithan | just use lootrank and setup your weights, it is easy |
| 00:16.43 | KriLL3 | trust me though, I dodge more shaman melee attacks than hit me |
| 00:17.07 | Wraithan | What spec? |
| 00:17.10 | Wraithan | and class? |
| 00:17.24 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: I wish you could set a target resilience level, if I make it too high points it wants all gems to be +10 res and too low it ignores it |
| 00:17.27 | KriLL3 | Feral druid |
| 00:19.14 | Wraithan | if you want, then how would any other site help you? |
| 00:19.59 | KriLL3 | well some other sites I've seen take a certain spec & role in mind and balance pros and cons of various elements |
| 00:20.22 | KriLL3 | http://www.emmerald.net/Cat_DPS/Head.html <-- one I use for PvE |
| 00:20.58 | KriLL3 | PvE is a lot simpler though since for example a feral is either a tank or a dps, thus you don't need a big hp pool in catform or dmg in bearform, PvP is a lot more complex |
| 00:21.14 | Wraithan | that isn't a site, that is a spreadsheet |
| 00:21.23 | Wraithan | to go by your point of view on things. |
| 00:21.26 | KriLL3 | no it's a list |
| 00:22.00 | Wraithan | looks awfully like a spreadsheet to me |
| 00:23.00 | vithos | looks like a list of gear, sorted by a score, computed with stat weights |
| 00:23.01 | Wraithan | Which they either calculated the exact same way as you could with lootrank, or they may have even just used lootrank to come up with that |
| 00:23.42 | KriLL3 | actually that list has been updated since pre TBC, originally on the forums |
| 00:23.57 | Wraithan | vithos: my point is he knocked lootrank imediately for no good reason, other than he can't think enough to come up with decent weights on his own |
| 00:24.00 | KriLL3 | there is a formula somewhere that calculates the item rank |
| 00:24.25 | vithos | yeah, the forumula is: the sum of stat*weight for a given item |
| 00:24.28 | vithos | exactly how lootrank works |
| 00:24.53 | Wraithan | I know, my point was that he wants something like that for pvp... easily made using lootrank |
| 00:25.38 | Wraithan | take the weights they use for the dps cat or whatever form you use, and figure out how much res or sta mean to you in comparasin to those weights |
| 00:25.39 | vithos | figuring out the value of stam vs agi vs ap for pvp will be a lot harder though |
| 00:26.33 | Wraithan | honestly though, you plan on pvping, the pvp gear is pretty straight forward I thought for feral |
| 00:26.45 | Wraithan | get the pvp gear with feral stats and res |
| 00:26.49 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: main armor yes, the rest, no. |
| 00:27.54 | Wraithan | Personally I would just take pvp gear, rank it using their dps cat chart and go with that |
| 00:29.10 | KriLL3 | well a lot of the BoJ items are better than PvP items for PvP |
| 00:30.24 | Wraithan | ok, use them |
| 00:30.47 | Wraithan | I am having a hard time seeing the problem |
| 00:31.26 | Wraithan | If you know they are better then use them, if you don't then take back burner that slot until you have worked out what you want in each of your slots then find which stats you need a bit more |
| 00:31.48 | KriLL3 | well you need a certain amount of resilience to survive in pvp, most badge items lacks resilience, thus you might need to compensate with resilience gems/enchants |
| 00:32.00 | vithos | what i do is start with pretty much all dps gear, play games until that becomes a problem, then switch pvp gear in gradually until i don't need any more survivability |
| 00:32.20 | vithos | but i'm a hunter |
| 00:32.51 | Wraithan | work out all the no question slots, that is probably your main armor and your weapon |
| 00:33.21 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: yeah |
| 00:33.30 | vithos | is defense reasonably effective as a pvp stat? |
| 00:33.42 | KriLL3 | vithos: class & spec? |
| 00:34.06 | Wraithan | the rest you work out on a slot by slot basis, there will be some slots that are obvious which is better |
| 00:34.09 | vithos | in general, relative to resil |
| 00:34.27 | KriLL3 | vithos: I can't say in general, it's ok for platers, useless for cloth |
| 00:34.36 | Wraithan | once you narrow it down, you should only have 3-4 slots left, thenf ill out the rest of your resilence and go for dps |
| 00:35.03 | KriLL3 | vithos: I'd focus on resilience over def, but if you can get some I wouldn't shun it |
| 00:35.14 | Wraithan | by work out I mean spreadsheet it, it doesn't take more than an hour, and that is better than wasting 2-3 weeks farming something then finding out the other items is better |
| 00:35.24 | sylvanaar | does anyone know if any of the damage meters have the ability to show you a single number ratio of damage take vs damage done for your whole group? |
| 00:35.49 | Wraithan | want to see how much you out dps the mob? |
| 00:35.55 | Wraithan | or the other team? |
| 00:36.01 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: I think I managed to set up lootrank properly, used the feral dps template but added ramk to resilience and stamina |
| 00:36.22 | KriLL3 | it's showing basically the same items I have currently |
| 00:36.32 | Wraithan | I would do it the way I described if you are really worried about min/maxing |
| 00:36.39 | sylvanaar | ratio of damage taken to damage dealt - good indicator of group viability |
| 00:36.45 | sylvanaar | for anything |
| 00:36.57 | orionshock | woot got wow to run on it's own X-Server :D |
| 00:37.10 | Wraithan | um, how is that a good indicator? |
| 00:37.45 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: well in pvp everything is a lot more complex since you need to balance a ton of factors, not just dps/tanking, I need to factor in my HP, resilience, dps, survivability stuff like pvp trink and + 1750 hp, and some healing |
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| 00:38.12 | KriLL3 | and my mana pool |
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| 00:39.38 | sylvanaar | Wraithan if you think it isnt tell me why |
| 00:40.46 | KriLL3 | anyone knows why coldarra is offline? |
| 00:41.06 | Wraithan | sylvanaar: not to sound silly, but I asked first, how is that a good indicator? |
| 00:42.03 | Wraithan | some encounters mobs are hitting more than one target, and typically their total damage done will be higher than a tank and spank fight since tank and spank your tank is the most geared to take the damage |
| 00:42.37 | Wraithan | some fights you have classes/specs that can't dps for half of it because the mob is completely immune |
| 00:42.50 | Wraithan | (nature phase of hydros sucks for ele shaman) |
| 00:43.02 | sylvanaar | Wraithan all of this is covered by the ratio aggregate |
| 00:43.02 | NeoTron | ahah I played a ele shammy for hydross once |
| 00:43.06 | NeoTron | it was sucky |
| 00:43.42 | Wraithan | ok, still how is it relevent, some mobs dps more, some mobs have more or less armor |
| 00:43.47 | Wraithan | or resistances |
| 00:44.10 | Wraithan | my dps doesn't go up or down generally just because the mob does more or less dps |
| 00:48.00 | Wraithan | I'll assume you think I am right, since you don't seem to have a good reason to the contrary |
| 00:48.27 | sylvanaar | actually, i dont feel like arguing, and you seem to |
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| 00:49.25 | Wraithan | I was curious as to why you think that is a good way of rating your group or raid, which is why I challenged it |
| 00:51.25 | sylvanaar | because its a single number vs many, and you can easily compare 2 encounters with differnt groups that way |
| 00:51.46 | sylvanaar | or rather an encounter with 2 different groups |
| 00:52.03 | Wraithan | Only if they had the same makeup |
| 00:52.40 | Wraithan | Slower but safer (extra healer instead of a dps) would make one group look worse in that kind of comparasin |
| 00:53.31 | sylvanaar | maybe the extra healer was needed... |
| 00:53.32 | NivFreak | nice |
| 00:53.37 | NivFreak | since I queued my warrior for beta copy |
| 00:53.42 | NivFreak | average wait time has gone from 3 hours |
| 00:53.45 | NivFreak | to 7 hours |
| 00:53.46 | NivFreak | to 1 day |
| 00:53.53 | NivFreak | but they are right, it has been a full day! |
| 00:54.08 | Wraithan | Could have been, does that make the group with the extra healer worse that the group with the extra dps? |
| 00:54.37 | sylvanaar | you are characterizing it as "worse" not me |
| 00:55.28 | Wraithan | Ok then I don't get the purpose, you would be using this number to compare 2 different groups, but not deriving anything else out of that comparasin? |
| 00:57.13 | sylvanaar | i explained the purpose already, not in the mood to argue :) |
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| 00:57.32 | kadrahil | time for council |
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| 00:57.35 | kadrahil | CROSSING FINGERS FOR MADNESS |
| 00:57.37 | kadrahil | :D |
| 00:57.40 | kadrahil | <3 council |
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| 00:58.22 | Wraithan | ok, it still seems like a senseless comarasin, but it could be added if it isn't already, into any of the addons that can calculate total incoming and total outgoing dps |
| 00:58.34 | Antiarc | What class is Madness still superior for? |
| 00:58.49 | Antiarc | Seems like you'd run DST/TT (hunter) or DST/Shard (melee) |
| 01:00.13 | Wraithan | DST, Shard and BNS are top 3 trinkets for enh shaman |
| 01:00.44 | NivFreak | I had like 3700ap with dk horn buff and battle shout (not counting abom strength). devastates up to 3k, shield slams up to ~4.8, shockwaves up to 5k, conc blows up to 5.2k, etc etc. |
| 01:00.48 | NivFreak | ^drool |
| 01:01.08 | KriLL3 | anyone knows why coldarra is offline? |
| 01:01.16 | NivFreak | someone who logged off did |
| 01:01.19 | NivFreak | check the forums |
| 01:01.36 | sylvanaar | well, US is down for a patch |
| 01:01.53 | NivFreak | us live servers? |
| 01:01.57 | KriLL3 | sylvanaar: any patchnotes given? |
| 01:01.58 | sylvanaar | beta |
| 01:02.17 | sylvanaar | no, they just said maintenance/patch |
| 01:03.38 | NivFreak | oh, is coldarra a eu beta server? |
| 01:03.47 | KriLL3 | it's the eu beta server |
| 01:04.43 | NivFreak | you guys only get one? |
| 01:04.51 | KriLL3 | yepp |
| 01:05.05 | KriLL3 | can't copy pre-made chars either |
| 01:05.55 | NivFreak | my character copy (non-premade) has been queued on the US side for a day |
| 01:05.58 | NivFreak | so not suprising |
| 01:06.01 | Wraithan | Is it only english or multi-language? |
| 01:06.15 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: it's listed as english, but since it's the only one... |
| 01:06.25 | KriLL3 | it's overrun by zee germanz |
| 01:06.51 | Wraithan | That is why it exists... the client is probably localized |
| 01:07.06 | Wraithan | you guys are the localization check, heh |
| 01:07.07 | Carancu | overrun by germans is an understatement KriLL3. |
| 01:07.23 | WobWork | Whatever you do |
| 01:07.24 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 01:07.26 | WobWork | Don't mention the war |
| 01:07.38 | KriLL3 | Carancu: well I started life on Russong (Warsong)... |
| 01:07.40 | Carancu | I havn't been able to find a group that could speek english in two days... |
| 01:07.55 | sylvanaar | i cant imagine what the EU server is like |
| 01:07.57 | WobWork | Just join the party and say: Ni Hao! |
| 01:08.14 | KriLL3 | sylvanaar: a mess |
| 01:08.25 | KriLL3 | they should have made one for each localization |
| 01:08.26 | Carancu | but amazingly it's not overrun by swedes too! Yet. |
| 01:08.38 | KriLL3 | Carancu: errm swedes only number 9 mil |
| 01:08.45 | sylvanaar | well they haf teh fast internets |
| 01:09.25 | sylvanaar | or better, its colder there, more of them inside |
| 01:09.29 | Wraithan | + |
| 01:09.36 | KriLL3 | sylvanaar: myth |
| 01:09.40 | Wraithan | oops putting back together my numpad |
| 01:09.57 | sylvanaar | KriLL3 joke |
| 01:10.59 | Wraithan | 68.026/*-345179 |
| 01:11.03 | Wraithan | ah much better |
| 01:11.12 | Wraithan | now the rest of my keyboard -.- |
| 01:11.49 | sylvanaar | id like to know about the people from iceland, can they have guild names with more than 2 words in them |
| 01:11.55 | sylvanaar | er |
| 01:11.57 | sylvanaar | finlanc |
| 01:12.01 | sylvanaar | finland |
| 01:12.18 | KriLL3 | heh |
| 01:12.27 | sylvanaar | or even 1 word |
| 01:12.52 | sylvanaar | ill bet some words are still too long |
| 01:14.01 | Carancu | "shorthand guildtags - lookup the meaning on the forums" |
| 01:14.38 | sylvanaar | really? or are you kidding |
| 01:14.46 | Carancu | kidding. |
| 01:15.11 | sylvanaar | clever |
| 01:16.03 | Carancu | what is the maxlength on guildnames by the way? |
| 01:19.03 | KriLL3 | quite long |
| 01:19.51 | KriLL3 | my guild has a 24 char name |
| 01:21.40 | KriLL3 | when are the US servers back up? I'm guessing Coldarra is down at the same time since it's in the US for some reason |
| 01:21.58 | Antiarc | 9 PM PST is the estimated time |
| 01:22.10 | KriLL3 | what's that in a format I understand? |
| 01:26.00 | aitch | exit |
| 01:26.39 | NeoTron | 2.5 hrs |
| 01:26.52 | Wraithan | Q: How long can my guild's name be? |
| 01:26.54 | Wraithan | A: Guild names can be a maximum of 24 characters in length and must be at least 2. Guild names can not have three of the same letter in a row or two consecutive spaces and must conform to the naming policy. |
| 01:27.11 | Carancu | oh |
| 01:27.16 | KriLL3 | heh so my guild name is max lenght |
| 01:27.21 | KriLL3 | fitting really... |
| 01:27.32 | Wraithan | Fits exactly in fact. |
| 01:27.47 | KriLL3 | "Thirteen Inches Unbuffed" |
| 01:28.00 | Wraithan | gnome guild? |
| 01:28.02 | KriLL3 | it's just a gag guild me and some IRL friends are in |
| 01:28.11 | KriLL3 | and yes the creator was a gnome |
| 01:28.12 | KriLL3 | =P |
| 01:28.18 | Ellipsis | with a name like that, it's got to be tauren. |
| 01:28.26 | KriLL3 | though I think it refers to something other than your total hight... |
| 01:28.33 | NeoTron | shoe size |
| 01:28.41 | KriLL3 | Europe doesn't use that show system |
| 01:28.45 | KriLL3 | *shoe |
| 01:28.51 | Ellipsis | which, inches? :P |
| 01:28.54 | Wraithan | close, but Tauren would be Thrity-six Inches Unbuffed |
| 01:29.04 | KriLL3 | what ever the US uses |
| 01:29.08 | NeoTron | I'm a Sweden so I am aware |
| 01:29.08 | Ellipsis | you would think, wouldn't you |
| 01:29.24 | KriLL3 | I think it's e-peen related |
| 01:29.27 | Ellipsis | Wraithan: from personal experience I find that to be just a myth |
| 01:29.44 | Wraithan | You were personally checking out tauren dongs? |
| 01:30.04 | Ellipsis | yes. with a ruler. |
| 01:30.08 | Ellipsis | well, yardstick actually |
| 01:30.19 | Wraithan | WAsn't enough? |
| 01:30.49 | Wraithan | then factor in firewater and bloodlust (do they stack?) |
| 01:31.02 | vithos | (yes) |
| 01:31.04 | Ellipsis | oh, they stack all right ;) |
| 01:31.13 | Wraithan | holy shit I am farming some firewater! |
| 01:31.23 | Keias | lol |
| 01:31.33 | Keias | Gunna end up getting whiskey dick from it! |
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| 02:08.22 | Tifi | does UNIT_AURA fire when feigning? |
| 02:09.37 | Tekkub | do you gain an aura? |
| 02:09.47 | Tifi | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=5384 seems os |
| 02:09.49 | Tifi | so |
| 02:10.41 | Tifi | note to self: google first ._. |
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| 02:30.00 | Obelixprime | northrend down? |
| 02:33.48 | Groktar | Obelixprime: patch day |
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| 02:48.08 | sylvanaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.19 | sylvanaar | gg linking bug |
| 02:52.57 | sylvanaar | function ShowNumericThreat() |
| 02:55.57 | Odlaw | god damn. now i got 3 people translating my mod to zhCN.. and they're all fighting over it. |
| 02:56.02 | Odlaw | fuck 'em |
| 02:56.30 | Odlaw | wish i could read/write in chinese.. i'd do my own. |
| 02:57.17 | Primer | Which addon? |
| 02:57.25 | Primer | If it's so popular, I must have it! |
| 02:57.31 | Odlaw | heh, my macrobank mod |
| 02:57.55 | Odlaw | i don't think it's that popular.. i was just getting tired of trying to remember what my macros were from memory |
| 02:58.14 | Odlaw | i fill 'em up fast 18 personal, 18 global just isn't enough :) |
| 02:59.04 | Xinhuan | what does the addon do? |
| 02:59.36 | Odlaw | just saves/restores macros |
| 03:00.39 | Odlaw | Like, I use 2 main macros.. for M'uru, I have one to target a zerker, mark with icon, and targetlasttarget.. as well as a darkfiend/arcane shot macro |
| 03:00.52 | Odlaw | on KJ, i have a target shield orb, and target sinister reflections orb |
| 03:01.21 | sylvanaar | name, rank, icon, ph, ph, duration, expirationTime = UnitBuff(unit, i, filter); |
| 03:01.49 | Odlaw | i have tons of other macros.. i just wanted to save/restore them |
| 03:02.34 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 03:02.44 | Xinhuan | so its more like a "notepad" like addon where you store little macros? |
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| 03:02.59 | Odlaw | ya |
| 03:03.10 | sylvanaar | thats 7 returns to unitbuff instead of 6 |
| 03:03.14 | Odlaw | stores the name, icon, and macro text |
| 03:03.45 | Stanzilla | "In the patch where all your tanking gear changes, Sunwell Radiance is also being turned off." |
| 03:03.46 | Stanzilla | hahahah |
| 03:03.47 | Odlaw | but the thing i wanted most, was an ability to keep macros of the same name stored.. so i added 2 fields.. a category and description |
| 03:03.59 | Xinhuan | Stanzilla: link |
| 03:04.00 | Odlaw | so you can kinda organize the macros, while keeping macros of the same name |
| 03:04.06 | Stanzilla | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679403166&pageNo=1&sid=2000#4 |
| 03:04.49 | Tifi | what patch? |
| 03:05.00 | Stanzilla | 3.0.2 probabl |
| 03:05.02 | Stanzilla | y |
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| 03:54.10 | Odlaw | ah man.. i'm a cry now.. nerf stick has been busy |
| 03:56.14 | Tifi | how do i expand a level in a TreeGroup? |
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| 03:58.20 | Groktar | "Flak's Greater Heal failed. Windfury Totem was immune." |
| 03:58.26 | Groktar | "Glorfindel died" |
| 03:58.27 | Groktar | >< |
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| 04:14.52 | Stanzilla | Improved Arcane Blast - Tier 5 bonus reduced to 5% from 20%. |
| 04:14.57 | Stanzilla | cu arcane mages |
| 04:18.37 | dig|sleep | 8926 is a all-nerf patch |
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| 04:21.08 | Stanzilla | it is |
| 04:21.14 | Stanzilla | they fucked shadow priests up big time |
| 04:21.40 | Tifi | "You need to be identified to join that channel" <- that's a fun error |
| 04:21.54 | Tifi | 30mins of fun |
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| 04:28.35 | VonhintenHOME` | Was there some giant patch to beta I should be reading? |
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| 04:34.28 | Tifi | sorry i have to ask again, but how do i expand a level in a TreeGroup? |
| 04:35.15 | Tifi | not sure if i got an answer |
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| 05:03.07 | NeoTron | 8926 is the "perhaps Warhammer Online isn't such a bad idea" patch |
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| 05:04.56 | jaxdahl | <Jagobah> also warhammer beta crashes to desktop every 40 minutes :[ |
| 05:05.51 | digmouse | wondering if Nihilum had a Azzinoth yet |
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| 05:30.10 | vithos | lol 10 different hunter nerfs at once |
| 05:30.52 | NeoTron | server's up |
| 05:31.14 | Jagobah | wat |
| 05:31.35 | Jagobah | hunter nerfs? |
| 05:31.42 | Jagobah | I was quoted here? |
| 05:31.53 | vithos | on beta |
| 05:32.02 | Jagobah | links! |
| 05:32.15 | vithos | mmo-champion.com |
| 05:34.13 | Jagobah | Aspect of the Beast has been removed. |
| 05:34.14 | Jagobah | GOOD |
| 05:37.01 | Aeyan | Bleh, shadow priests got smacked around some more |
| 05:37.43 | Stanzilla | right in the face |
| 05:37.53 | Groktar | looked to me like their damage was going to be low to begin with |
| 05:38.13 | Jagobah | All aspects now have a 1 second global cooldown, down from a 1.5 global cooldown. YES |
| 05:38.15 | Stanzilla | low is understated |
| 05:38.29 | Aeyan | And there was starting to be hope too =P |
| 05:38.37 | Aeyan | With the mind flay changes, hehe |
| 05:38.41 | Stanzilla | yep |
| 05:38.46 | Stanzilla | now they ruined it |
| 05:38.59 | Aeyan | Oh damn, imp spirit tap down the drain too |
| 05:39.16 | Stanzilla | Misery - No longer increases the damage of your Mind Blast, Mind Flay and Mind Sear spells by an amount equal to 15% of your spell power. < best |
| 05:39.51 | Aeyan | Oh yes |
| 05:40.01 | Aeyan | * Twin Disciplines now only affects instant spells. |
| 05:40.06 | Aeyan | That's delicious too |
| 05:40.13 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 05:40.21 | Stanzilla | now we can use it for 2 (!) spells! |
| 05:40.29 | Aeyan | Bam! |
| 05:40.42 | Stanzilla | and one of them is only cast once at the beginning of the fith |
| 05:40.46 | Stanzilla | *fight |
| 05:40.59 | Groktar | mm? |
| 05:41.07 | Stanzilla | shadow word pain |
| 05:41.12 | Aeyan | We're just bitching about shadow priest stuff |
| 05:41.13 | Stanzilla | it refreshes itself with mindflay.. |
| 05:41.30 | KriLL3 | is it just me or is the beta's texture quality really low? |
| 05:41.38 | Stanzilla | it somehow is |
| 05:41.45 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 05:41.52 | Stanzilla | I blame broken options |
| 05:41.54 | Groktar | they set it really low in the last patch |
| 05:41.56 | Ellipsis | turn it up? :P |
| 05:42.17 | KriLL3 | I got it at max and it's really really bland |
| 05:42.18 | smcn | mine is maxxed but it's still low on the character select |
| 05:42.25 | smcn | fine in-game though |
| 05:42.34 | KriLL3 | really low ingame also for me |
| 05:46.00 | KriLL3 | anyone else have missing water in SW? |
| 05:49.36 | KriLL3 | yay square sailors |
| 05:51.02 | KriLL3 | found another graphical glitch, shadows loop on objects that move, boat moved under the shadow of the pier, now the shadow the pier cast when the boat was stationary is moving 2-3 meters ahead then jumping back XD |
| 05:51.36 | KriLL3 | the shadows the boat's objects cast on the boat itself does also |
| 06:07.13 | Stanzilla | shadow priest specc is soo broken. I have 5 points left and dunno what to do with them |
| 06:07.19 | Stanzilla | 3 if I take improved VE |
| 06:07.28 | Ellipsis | put them in holy like a good little healbot ;) |
| 06:07.38 | Stanzilla | lol^^ |
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| 06:17.58 | Adirelle | Tekkub: as I asked on the forum (http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14968.0): do we know why this is happenning ? is there any workaround ? |
| 06:18.36 | Tekkub | they broke /click... just hit ignore |
| 06:19.09 | Adirelle | weird, as it seems to work for other addons, like Cork (of SSR for that matter) |
| 06:19.18 | Adirelle | -of +or |
| 06:22.38 | Adirelle | would disabling the popup one time be evil ? ^^ |
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| 07:02.17 | Tifi | oh hai Nargiddley, how do i expand a level in a TreeGroup? |
| 07:04.33 | Nargiddley | by setting a value in the status table |
| 07:06.48 | Nargiddley | specifically .groups[uniquevalue] = true will open the group identified by uniquevalue |
| 07:08.13 | Tifi | oh, i just realized that im using aceconfig |
| 07:09.09 | Nargiddley | then LibStub("AceConfigDialog-3.0"):SelectGroup("appName", "path", "goes", "here") |
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| 07:09.53 | Tifi | ok thank you |
| 07:09.55 | Nargiddley | will select that group in an open config expanding tree levels to get to it |
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| 07:12.41 | Groktar | wtb naxx group |
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| 07:24.51 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/beta/WoWScrnShot_091108_002356.jpg |
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| 07:28.12 | copystring | lol, i want them on a lvl 1 rogue |
| 07:28.56 | Megalon | itemid? |
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| 07:38.47 | [SW]Dodge | g'morning |
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| 07:41.45 | Megalon | [SEVER] Shutdown in 1:00, they don't even start at 15:00 anymore :O |
| 07:42.08 | mitch0 | the sever in stormwind shuts down? :) |
| 07:42.12 | mitch0 | doh |
| 07:42.28 | mitch0 | typo for typo. I fail |
| 07:42.35 | Antiarc | The dalrend artifact is ID 42945 |
| 07:42.43 | Antiarc | And they scale with level, and "bind to account" |
| 07:42.45 | Antiarc | So you can pass them between alts |
| 07:42.54 | Antiarc | which is amazingly cool |
| 07:43.08 | Megalon | argh server i meant ;P |
| 07:44.01 | mitch0 | bind to account? interesting |
| 07:45.37 | Elkano | cool :) http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/september/clothscavenging.jpg |
| 07:45.43 | mitch0 | antiarc: btw, the chat on that screenshot. what does "Frostbolt is also vulnerable to partial resist" mean exactly? |
| 07:46.05 | Antiarc | It's no longer binary, I presume |
| 07:46.20 | mitch0 | hm |
| 07:46.47 | Megalon | hm, all vanilla wow items, those artifacts |
| 07:47.01 | Megalon | haha, yea, bloodied arcanite reaper |
| 07:47.28 | Groktar | nibbles on Antiarc's soul |
| 07:47.36 | Antiarc | noes, my soul :( |
| 07:47.57 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/beta/WoWScrnShot_091108_003129.jpg |
| 07:48.16 | Groktar | mmm |
| 07:49.18 | mitch0 | btw, is there some nice writeup about the new mage talents? |
| 07:49.27 | mitch0 | I just checked the frost tree and it seems pretty cool |
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| 07:57.04 | Groktar | wonder if they're wiping murmer |
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| 07:59.18 | Groktar | since they reset character copies back to 3 |
| 07:59.21 | ktwo | all eu-servers down? |
| 08:03.24 | Groktar | idk |
| 08:03.37 | Groktar | us servers are up except for the premades |
| 08:04.35 | KriLL3 | EU doesn't have premade yet that I know |
| 08:04.50 | ktwo | login server + http://www.wow-europe.com/ down too.. ^ |
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| 08:05.23 | Groktar | did eu get today's patch yet? |
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| 08:05.50 | ktwo | dont know.. cant login nowhere |
| 08:06.06 | KriLL3 | Northrend world server down on coldarra... yay |
| 08:06.32 | KriLL3 | I just logged on TBC and it works, Coldarra also but as said world server is hosed |
| 08:06.43 | KriLL3 | I'm on Neptulon |
| 08:07.29 | KriLL3 | I hate trying to make feral specs for LK, the feral tree is super bloated atm |
| 08:07.47 | ktwo | i hate the shadowpriest nerf :/ |
| 08:07.55 | KriLL3 | nerf? |
| 08:08.09 | ktwo | 90% dispersion down to 60 |
| 08:08.10 | KriLL3 | Berserk is now fear only, doesn't remove slows or stuns, hows that for nerf? |
| 08:08.16 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 08:08.30 | Groktar | imp shadowform doesn't remove movement impairing effects anymore |
| 08:08.36 | ktwo | and that.. yes |
| 08:08.41 | [SW]Dodge | KriLL3: your right, fearl tree is too full :S |
| 08:08.53 | ktwo | so they killed shadow priest pvp one more time |
| 08:08.55 | Groktar | feral tree is supposed to be full tho |
| 08:09.08 | Groktar | so you can spec for kitty pew pew or tank |
| 08:09.30 | KriLL3 | [SW]Dodge: if you want to spec for omen + 5/5 naturalist, 5/5 furor and 3/3 Natural shapeshifter you need to make serious cuts in the feral tree :< |
| 08:09.48 | KriLL3 | Groktar: you can't get all the tank/dps stuff you want though |
| 08:09.59 | [SW]Dodge | KriLL3: wit 70 you cant get OOC + 51feral that sucks |
| 08:10.07 | KriLL3 | [SW]Dodge: yeah |
| 08:10.45 | Groktar | looks |
| 08:10.57 | KriLL3 | I'm currently rocking a 57/14 build and I'm missing stuff I want, like primal tenacity, predatory instincts |
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| 08:11.41 | KriLL3 | imo blizz should make the feral tree less fat but make it either so you can only spend 5 points in the opposing dps/tanking stuff or only points in one or the other, so you can't spend full points in the feral tree and get both |
| 08:12.11 | [SW]Dodge | make 2 feral trees :P dps and tanking |
| 08:12.14 | KriLL3 | and they should move/make base a lot of the explicitly feral stuff from the resto tree |
| 08:12.33 | Adirelle|work | now i'm confused : http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14316.msg241445#msg241445 |
| 08:12.37 | KriLL3 | [SW]Dodge: well not 2 full trees, but you get my idea, fork them and either force you to make a choice or balance them, you can't spec both full |
| 08:12.57 | Groktar | cool, bears don't need defense at all anymore |
| 08:13.07 | Groktar | about time |
| 08:13.35 | KriLL3 | ?... |
| 08:14.14 | Groktar | 3/3 survival of the fittist is -6% crit |
| 08:14.16 | [SW]Dodge | Groktar: hu? |
| 08:14.24 | KriLL3 | I really hope blizz pulls their heads out of their asses and change berserk back, making it only immune to fear is madness, we're not feared that often, stuns is the main problem |
| 08:14.44 | Groktar | it was lame to make them need defense to become crit immune when they don't get much benefit from it |
| 08:14.46 | KriLL3 | Groktar: is that new? |
| 08:14.49 | Groktar | idk |
| 08:15.03 | KriLL3 | oh it's up from 3% in TBC |
| 08:15.05 | Groktar | ya |
| 08:15.08 | [SW]Dodge | 3->6% |
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| 08:15.26 | [SW]Dodge | Groktar: but maybe it is just an adjust du higher def needs at lvl80 |
| 08:15.34 | KriLL3 | blizz needs to re-balance druid tanks though, we have no mitigation other than dodge and it doesn't give us rage |
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| 08:15.49 | KriLL3 | all other tanks got parry, and all but DK and us got shields |
| 08:15.49 | [SW]Dodge | KriLL3: dodge give rage |
| 08:15.58 | KriLL3 | [SW]Dodge: no not to my knowledge |
| 08:16.11 | [SW]Dodge | KriLL3: chek natural reaction |
| 08:16.20 | Groktar | it is possible to get similar amounts of avoidance without needing parry |
| 08:16.34 | Groktar | right now on live bears would be able to get 100% dodge in sunwell gear |
| 08:16.36 | [SW]Dodge | 6% dodge and 3rage/dodge |
| 08:16.39 | KriLL3 | 3 rage on dodge, lol |
| 08:17.06 | KriLL3 | Groktar: dodge doesn't really work that well against spells |
| 08:17.09 | KriLL3 | which imo is odd |
| 08:17.19 | Groktar | so parry does? |
| 08:17.24 | KriLL3 | a spell still has to hit a target, except magic missiles |
| 08:17.53 | KriLL3 | Groktar: no, and that is also odd, having a big nice sword made of shiny metal up in the line of a fireball should deflect it |
| 08:17.54 | Tifi | did they remove the rage/crit thing from druids? |
| 08:18.01 | KriLL3 | Tifi: ? |
| 08:18.31 | Tifi | druids get rage when they crit |
| 08:18.33 | KriLL3 | you got 20/40/60/80/100% chance of 5 rage on crit |
| 08:18.42 | KriLL3 | "Primal Fury" |
| 08:18.51 | KriLL3 | It's a Tier 4 feral talent |
| 08:18.59 | KriLL3 | no wait it's 50/100% |
| 08:19.36 | Groktar | what does ferocious bite do? |
| 08:19.41 | Tifi | and it makes druids the best offtanks, so you're really concerned about rage? |
| 08:20.10 | Groktar | druids aren't necessarily supposed to be the best offtanks anymore |
| 08:20.16 | KriLL3 | Groktar: dmg finisher in catform |
| 08:20.25 | Groktar | kk |
| 08:20.31 | Groktar | like evis |
| 08:21.09 | Groktar | they want all 4 tanking classes to be good mts |
| 08:21.17 | Groktar | and all 4 to be able to do a little damage when not tanking |
| 08:21.23 | Groktar | without switching gear |
| 08:21.47 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 08:22.00 | KriLL3 | bears did quite ok dmg, then everyone whined and now they're pathetic |
| 08:22.24 | Groktar | bears were way op at tbc release |
| 08:22.50 | KriLL3 | they didn't out dmg a warrior |
| 08:23.18 | Groktar | huh? |
| 08:23.27 | Groktar | what are you talking about |
| 08:23.42 | KriLL3 | a warrior does more dmg than a bear |
| 08:23.46 | KriLL3 | by a long shot |
| 08:24.25 | Groktar | what spec/geared warrior are you trying to compare it to? |
| 08:24.30 | Groktar | and what gear is the druid in? |
| 08:24.46 | KriLL3 | feral pvp gear vs warrior pvp gear |
| 08:26.04 | Groktar | so you're saying an ms warrior in pvp gear does more damage than a bear in pvp gear? |
| 08:26.09 | Groktar | this is obvious |
| 08:26.14 | Groktar | and not remotely relevant |
| 08:26.21 | KriLL3 | how so? |
| 08:26.35 | Wraithan | !! they finally decided that WF is going to proc maelstrom weapon |
| 08:26.39 | KriLL3 | shouldn't they be relatively close? |
| 08:26.47 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: what's maelstorm? |
| 08:26.53 | Groktar | the correct comparison is an ms warrior with a shield in defensive stance to a bear |
| 08:27.36 | Groktar | and i don't even know how we got on this tangent |
| 08:27.47 | Wraithan | KriLL3: we proc maelstrom 5x and get a instant cast lightning bolt or lava burst, or chain lightning, or chain heal, or healing wave, or lesser healing wave |
| 08:27.50 | Tifi | bears have more life and leader of the pack |
| 08:28.25 | Wraithan | it procs off of melee crit |
| 08:28.37 | KriLL3 | Groktar: errm a feral druid in bearform with pvp gear isn't a viable tank, I'd say we're squishier than an arms warrior |
| 08:28.40 | Wraithan | for a while it was broken on wrath, so it didn't proc off of WF |
| 08:29.08 | Groktar | you're both pretty squishy |
| 08:29.16 | Groktar | but at least you can hold aggro |
| 08:29.27 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 08:29.28 | Groktar | and i don't even know why we're arguing this |
| 08:29.35 | KriLL3 | you're thinking in PvE terms, should have known |
| 08:29.42 | KriLL3 | I'm a PvP player |
| 08:29.53 | Groktar | yes, feral druids are garbage in pvp |
| 08:30.05 | Groktar | bears still own melee |
| 08:30.08 | Groktar | happy? |
| 08:30.23 | KriLL3 | own melee? |
| 08:30.48 | Tifi | i think he meant pwn |
| 08:30.48 | Groktar | and i don't know what planet you came from to think i was thinking about pvp |
| 08:30.52 | Groktar | when i started off with this |
| 08:30.52 | Groktar | <Groktar> they want all 4 tanking classes to be good mts |
| 08:30.52 | Groktar | <Groktar> and all 4 to be able to do a little damage when not tanking |
| 08:31.03 | Groktar | brain damage, imo |
| 08:31.36 | KriLL3 | just trying to point out that bears used to deal ok dmg before everyone cried fowl and we were nerfed to sub pet dmg |
| 08:32.29 | Groktar | ok... |
| 08:33.06 | KriLL3 | a druid doesn't retain aggro from dmg, we do it with attacks that deal threat |
| 08:33.38 | Groktar | pretty sure the only attack a druid has with a static modifier is lacerate |
| 08:33.42 | Groktar | everything else has a multiplier |
| 08:33.58 | KriLL3 | a super low multiplier |
| 08:36.09 | Groktar | yes, so for bears more damage -> threat |
| 08:36.41 | Groktar | to a much larger extent than for something like a warrior, but a little less than a paladin |
| 08:37.40 | Groktar | although they are trying to remove static threat values from a lot of warrior skills |
| 08:40.46 | Adirelle|work | is CIA-58 dead ? |
| 08:41.16 | Groktar | hmm |
| 08:41.19 | Groktar | he's in a lot of channels |
| 08:41.21 | Groktar | just not this one |
| 08:42.03 | Groktar | notice your commits aren't showing up? |
| 08:42.10 | Groktar | sounds like wowace is EATING YOUR MODS |
| 08:43.06 | Groktar | cool, bears get a -attack speed debuff wotlk |
| 08:43.26 | Groktar | did paladins get one yet? |
| 08:43.29 | Groktar | dks got it |
| 08:44.55 | KriLL3 | Groktar: huh? |
| 08:45.11 | Adirelle|work | to the one who said that bears can't dodge spells, bears have now a talent to reduce all incoming damages, even spell ones |
| 08:45.47 | Adirelle|work | (and DK have some abilities to negate/reduce magical damages as well) |
| 08:46.06 | KriLL3 | Adirelle|work: that's a PvE talent |
| 08:46.50 | Adirelle|work | KriLL3: that's depend on how you call "+60% AP and -12% damage" (in a 5-men party) |
| 08:47.19 | KriLL3 | bonus, not actual AP |
| 08:47.42 | KriLL3 | at 70 you get 210 AP from dire bear |
| 08:48.16 | KriLL3 | that's 126 AP |
| 08:49.03 | Adirelle|work | right, but the -12% damage still remain |
| 08:49.59 | KriLL3 | ok you get hit for 1760 instead of 2000 |
| 08:50.27 | Adirelle|work | nvm |
| 08:51.25 | KriLL3 | it's just absurd to me that my rogue friend I play with in 2on2 can stick in a fight for ages without taking serious damage using evasion and cloak of shadows, while I'm 100% exposed at all times to harm |
| 08:51.50 | KriLL3 | berserk was supposed to fix that in part, but it got nerfed into the ground |
| 08:55.43 | Groktar | it's not really a secret that rogues are overpowered in arena |
| 08:56.14 | Antiarc | So |
| 08:56.16 | KriLL3 | well most classes/specs are way better than ferals, we only work in 2on2 and that's barely, 3on3 and 5on5 we're shunned. |
| 08:56.21 | Antiarc | I just earned the achievement [Ultimate Triage] on 9/11 |
| 08:56.22 | Antiarc | :x |
| 08:56.30 | Groktar | heh |
| 08:57.37 | KriLL3 | Antiarc: Ultimate Triage? |
| 08:57.46 | Antiarc | Bandaged myself when I was under 5% HP |
| 08:57.54 | Groktar | pro |
| 08:58.12 | Antiarc | And I did it back to full health |
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| 08:58.19 | Antiarc | Because Hunger for Blood eats the recently bandaged debuff |
| 08:58.30 | Antiarc | so I'm just all BANDAGE! HUNGER! BANDAGE! HUNGER! BANDAGE! |
| 08:58.41 | KriLL3 | hunger? |
| 08:58.51 | Antiarc | Hunger For Blood |
| 08:58.55 | Antiarc | 51 point assassination talent |
| 08:59.09 | Antiarc | It consumes physical debuffs, of which recently bandaged happens to be one |
| 08:59.23 | Adirelle|work | nerf bat incoming ? (or not, dunno) |
| 08:59.48 | KriLL3 | Antiarc: isn't that super OP? |
| 08:59.54 | Antiarc | Yes :P |
| 08:59.59 | Antiarc | It also eats rez sickness |
| 09:00.04 | Antiarc | And the "no fly zone" debuff |
| 09:00.09 | KriLL3 | O_o |
| 09:00.12 | digmouse | 8926 all nerf patch |
| 09:00.16 | KriLL3 | does it remove weaked soul etc? |
| 09:00.23 | KriLL3 | digmouse: it sure nerfed all textures... |
| 09:01.32 | Antiarc | IT doesn't eat WS, no |
| 09:01.35 | Antiarc | Oddly |
| 09:03.20 | Maldivia | KriLL3: nerfed textures? |
| 09:03.40 | Groktar | everyone's nekkid |
| 09:03.41 | KriLL3 | Maldivia: I got my textures set to max and it looks like they're set to minimum |
| 09:03.53 | KriLL3 | all textures are washed out blobs |
| 09:04.26 | Groktar | did you try moving the big slider? |
| 09:04.35 | Maldivia | KriLL3: set texture slider to minimum, it's reversed :9 |
| 09:04.56 | KriLL3 | oh... |
| 09:04.59 | KriLL3 | Groktar: yes |
| 09:05.09 | KriLL3 | Maldivia: makes sense to reverse the slider |
| 09:05.11 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 09:05.19 | Maldivia | KriLL3: it's a bug, it'll get fixed |
| 09:05.28 | Groktar | *gasp* beta software is beta |
| 09:05.50 | KriLL3 | at least you can mount in towns again |
| 09:06.02 | KriLL3 | though SW's canals are mostly empty of water =P |
| 09:06.05 | Maldivia | KriLL3: it's only the top texture slider that's reversed though, the only controlling the mipmap offset |
| 09:06.21 | Maldivia | KriLL3: the water is there, just invisible :9 |
| 09:06.30 | KriLL3 | invisible water is invisible! |
| 09:06.48 | Maldivia | but tastes great! |
| 09:07.00 | Adirelle|work | wut, account-bound items |
| 09:07.11 | Maldivia | and scaling items :9 |
| 09:07.29 | Maldivia | grind heroics to get twink gear |
| 09:08.08 | Maldivia | now they just need an account bank, in addition to player and guild bank |
| 09:08.23 | KriLL3 | Maldivia: bank alts =P |
| 09:09.09 | [SW]Dodge | Maldivia: no need player bank if there is an account wide bank (with few more slots^^) |
| 09:09.27 | Maldivia | [SW]Dodge: just access to all banks on the account :9 |
| 09:09.42 | [SW]Dodge | lol :D |
| 09:12.40 | [SW]Dodge | wtf druid t7 has less armor than T4 O_O |
| 09:12.49 | Maldivia | yes |
| 09:12.56 | Maldivia | mo nore bonus armor |
| 09:13.12 | [SW]Dodge | why? o.o |
| 09:13.17 | Groktar | shrink loot tables |
| 09:13.40 | Adirelle|work | that's why they added mitigation talents to the feral tree |
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| 09:14.11 | Groktar | ya, they want bears to end up with very similar tanking stats as the other classes |
| 09:14.25 | Groktar | now that crushing blows are gone they don't need to be armor capped anymore |
| 09:14.51 | KriLL3 | there are no other classes that tank in leather, so we'll use rogue gear for tanking? that's insane |
| 09:15.06 | Carancu | it's actually a rather good change. |
| 09:15.19 | Groktar | yup |
| 09:15.21 | Groktar | ot |
| 09:15.32 | KriLL3 | it's catastrophic from my point of view |
| 09:15.33 | Groktar | it's just a matter of putting in the right talents to make it all work |
| 09:15.36 | durcyn | it's more homogenization, feh. |
| 09:15.42 | Carancu | it's horrible to have to look for rather rare items to use as a tankingset |
| 09:15.46 | durcyn | easier to balance classes when they're all the fucking same |
| 09:16.00 | KriLL3 | Groktar: the feral tree is so fat if you add those talents you need to skip others you need |
| 09:16.10 | Carancu | so, make choises then? |
| 09:16.24 | KriLL3 | durcyn: ferals sans mana = less useful than broken bricks |
| 09:16.38 | Carancu | I've had no trouble yet making up my mind about my speccs, I don't really lack points. |
| 09:16.39 | KriLL3 | Carancu: have you even tried to make a working talent setup for a feral? |
| 09:16.48 | Carancu | I am feral, so yes, I have. |
| 09:16.53 | KriLL3 | I'm 17 points short of being happy |
| 09:16.57 | Groktar | the idea is that if you want to be the best possible tank you give up some dps talents, and vice versa |
| 09:17.13 | KriLL3 | Groktar: that's the problem most of our talents are cat/bear |
| 09:17.20 | Carancu | I had 7 points over after taking the talents I felt was neccesary. |
| 09:17.26 | Groktar | allowing them to put in the talents to make you just as good a dps or tank as another class |
| 09:17.29 | KriLL3 | Carancu: bear tank, am I right? |
| 09:17.33 | Carancu | yes. |
| 09:17.40 | KriLL3 | I'm pvp |
| 09:17.41 | Groktar | it's absurd to think you can get everything |
| 09:18.01 | KriLL3 | I need 14 points in resto to even work, makes for a huge lack of points for feral stuff |
| 09:18.09 | Zyndrome | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/september/8926epic_018.jpg |
| 09:18.17 | Zyndrome | why do I think of the Zelda-games? :p |
| 09:18.22 | Carancu | I agree with Groktar here, talents are about making choises, there should be too many talents really, otherwise you are not making choises. |
| 09:18.42 | KriLL3 | Groktar: I'm 5 separate talents short of having all beneficial kitten talents |
| 09:19.11 | Groktar | that's ok, there are some beneficial dps talents i can't get when i spec fury on my warrior |
| 09:19.13 | KriLL3 | Carancu: oh, I can either get % more dmg or shorter stun duration, both are kinda important... |
| 09:19.16 | Groktar | or shadow on my priest |
| 09:19.27 | Groktar | gotta pick |
| 09:19.39 | Wraithan | Ever heard of subspecs? |
| 09:19.45 | KriLL3 | the feral tree is horribly bloated and a lot of our good stuff is in the resto tree |
| 09:20.06 | Carancu | I honestl think there are too few things in the feraltree as of now. |
| 09:20.35 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 09:20.37 | KriLL3 | you're a madman |
| 09:21.14 | KriLL3 | but then again you're pve, you don't need to spec for omen and natural shapeshifter and everything else a pvp druid can't live without |
| 09:21.22 | Groktar | you know what really upsets me? i have to put 8 points into arms so i can get the 5% parry and improved thunderclap and be the best tank possible |
| 09:21.30 | Carancu | it might so be, but I want feral and feral to be different. even with this "bloated" tree they are almost the same. |
| 09:22.06 | Adirelle|work | is away: Away |
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| 09:22.39 | Groktar | and when i spec shadow on my priest i need to put a minimum of 13 points into disc so i can get meditation |
| 09:22.39 | KriLL3 | Carancu: I'm all for bear/cat separation, a lot of feral stuff is cat + bear forcing you to pick just about all of it |
| 09:23.06 | KriLL3 | Groktar: I need 11 points in resto, 18 to get all I want |
| 09:23.14 | KriLL3 | and all that has absolutely no benefit for a resto |
| 09:23.18 | KriLL3 | it's all feral stuff |
| 09:23.50 | Groktar | parry/imp tc is pretty useless for a dps warrior, too. they're in the tree anyway |
| 09:23.55 | Wraithan | At first all the feral bitched and complained that you had to pick dps or tanks, there wasn't enough cross over between cat and bear, they fix that now you bitch because you have too many options? |
| 09:24.01 | KriLL3 | feral aggression and primal fury are good examples, both have cat & bear stuff |
| 09:24.34 | Carancu | yes, and they are both better than they were in their original forms KriLL3. |
| 09:24.53 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: the number of options doesn't matter if you're restricted to only a few, if you're invited to a banquet with 11 dishes and you only get to pick one it's not a feast. |
| 09:25.08 | Groktar | maybe one is supposed to be cat > bear and the other is bear > cat |
| 09:25.20 | Wraithan | It is removed in Wrath, but Nature's Guidance, +3% hit, was a resto talent for shamans... tell me how that made sence, it was (is) a third teir talent |
| 09:25.24 | Groktar | so you pick one or the other depending on which you like better |
| 09:25.46 | Wraithan | had to spend 13 points in resto as an enhancment shaman |
| 09:26.14 | KriLL3 | Groktar: FB crit & demo roar -AP or 5 rage on crit & 2 combo points on crit, both are important for both bear and cat |
| 09:26.30 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: well that's 2 caster trees, some overlap makes sense |
| 09:26.42 | Wraithan | um |
| 09:26.44 | Wraithan | no |
| 09:26.53 | KriLL3 | um |
| 09:26.56 | KriLL3 | yes |
| 09:26.57 | Wraithan | +3% chance to hit with melee weapons. |
| 09:27.04 | Wraithan | not spells. |
| 09:27.09 | KriLL3 | oh |
| 09:27.17 | KriLL3 | yeah that doesn't make sense |
| 09:28.26 | Wraithan | frankly though, all your complaining about the druid pvp feral tree in here is not only not productive but bordering on annoying now |
| 09:28.40 | Wraithan | If you have problems post them on the forums and feedback them in game |
| 09:29.05 | Adirelle|work | later |
| 09:29.43 | KriLL3 | I've already said the solution would be having 2 talents that you can't spec fully in, either locking out one if you put points in the other or making it impossible to spend say more than 5 points between the 2 5 point talents |
| 09:30.01 | KriLL3 | and they should contain a slew of dps/tanking stuff |
| 09:30.05 | Groktar | or you can just make choices |
| 09:30.13 | Wraithan | some discussion makes sense, in order to clear up what the community thinks needs to happen, but hours of complaints to a channel where (I wont say for sure) but there are probably little to no blizzard employees reading, and if there are, they still are unlikely to be able to fix it |
| 09:30.15 | KriLL3 | there are no good choices |
| 09:30.25 | Groktar | there's no obvious best one |
| 09:30.27 | Groktar | which is fine |
| 09:30.32 | Carancu | can someone toss KriLL3 a preview on the feraltree before it got rewamped the first time? :P |
| 09:30.51 | Groktar | you mentioned that you won't necessarily always get imp demo roar |
| 09:31.02 | Groktar | most warrior don't get imp demo shout |
| 09:31.16 | Groktar | usually an ms warrior has to do it for them |
| 09:31.25 | KriLL3 | Groktar: but inside is FB buff, our main dmg ability in LK |
| 09:32.26 | KriLL3 | one of our talents forgot which gives +50% FB crit on bleeding targets (almost guaranteed) |
| 09:33.45 | Wraithan | KriLL3: Ok, we've heard basically all you can say about the feral talents, mind giving it a rest since telling us what is wrong wont fix it? |
| 09:33.49 | KriLL3 | I understand blizzard's wish to make ferals a dps/tank instead of an all-in-one but making us choose between role critical talents isn't exactly playing nice. |
| 09:34.21 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: I'm just pissed and need to vent |
| 09:34.32 | Groktar | seems more like you're trolling |
| 09:34.34 | Wraithan | KriLL3: not trying to be a dick but some of us are tired of your trolling |
| 09:34.59 | KriLL3 | trolling? pfft thanks for giving me that label... |
| 09:35.24 | Wraithan | You are nearing /ignore for me, since nothing productive comes out of you lately, just gripes about feral talents |
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| 09:36.13 | Wraithan | some discussion of talents makes sence, most of us are intelectuals in here and will approach things differently than your average player, but hours of complaining... |
| 09:40.23 | Wraithan | Design question: Making a addon to track how many drops an hour you are getting of a drop, in order to do that I would need to make a session timer. Choice: A. Session timer starts at login. B. Session timer is per item and starts when item is added to watch list. C. Other ideas? |
| 09:40.33 | Wraithan | I am favoring B right now |
| 09:41.13 | Wraithan | but since most would want to save their watched items between session, the drops per hour would be calculated from login since it would be retained |
| 09:41.34 | Wraithan | another thought it calc from the first time the item drops in that play session |
| 09:41.41 | KriLL3 | at start of session doesn't make sense |
| 09:42.08 | KriLL3 | you every rarely start doing something right when login in, you usually have to travel there first or even might be doing a lot of other stuff first |
| 09:42.14 | Wraithan | Aye |
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| 09:42.21 | Wraithan | Which is why I wasn't favoring it |
| 09:42.41 | KriLL3 | I got an addon that tracks honor/hour, and I always do dailies first each day, then some pvp, thus it's always utterly wrong unless I log out before doing the pvp portion |
| 09:42.50 | Carancu | you could treat the time you enter combat the last time before a loot as the start of a session. |
| 09:43.11 | Vulcanus | or just have a button that you can click to start a timer |
| 09:43.21 | Wraithan | I would forget. |
| 09:43.26 | Wraithan | heh |
| 09:43.31 | Carancu | that theoretically fits relativly good to the time one start the grind. |
| 09:43.51 | Vulcanus | but what if you enter combat with mobs that dont drop it? skewed data |
| 09:43.57 | KriLL3 | which of the texture sliders was reversed btw? |
| 09:44.23 | KriLL3 | Vulcanus: well you usually don't remain in combat with said mobs and then start fighting the other mobs |
| 09:44.39 | KriLL3 | most don't rush from mob to mob without exiting combat |
| 09:44.52 | Wraithan | I am thinking from add to watch list, or if on watch list at log in, from first time it drops |
| 09:44.56 | KriLL3 | ah texture resolution slider was reversed |
| 09:46.33 | Wraithan | Or always from first dro |
| 09:47.24 | Carancu | the problem with counting the time from first drop is that one might already have been slaughtering that type of mobs for a good while, while my own method has as the flaw that it is far too easy to "start" a session. |
| 09:47.50 | Carancu | I say go with your idea, probably the one that would be more exact. |
| 09:48.14 | Wraithan | Yeah, the problem with the first drop is on rarer droprate items |
| 09:48.27 | Wraithan | things that drop 5% or less that you are farming |
| 09:48.40 | Carancu | *remebers the good old quests in The barrens* |
| 09:48.54 | Wraithan | good? |
| 09:49.03 | Carancu | fair point there. |
| 09:50.22 | KriLL3 | Carancu: first kill of the mob that dropped it? though that's problematic if there is more than one kind of mob |
| 09:51.40 | Carancu | the way I was thinking on it is, first kill that you take loot from, or first kill that drops the item in question starts the timer. doesn't matter then if it is dropped by one or ten different types of mobs. |
| 09:51.40 | Fisker- | murders Groktar |
| 09:52.29 | Wraithan | Carancu: wouldn't that require knowing what items drop off of what mobs? |
| 09:52.48 | Carancu | not really, not if you know what item you are looking for. |
| 09:53.44 | Wraithan | Also, it isn't always kills, that will net you the item |
| 09:53.46 | Carancu | you need one id to be able to see what you got, if it match the item you are tracking you can start the sessiontimer (that was the second way). |
| 09:54.12 | Carancu | thats another problem with my first theory, didn't think of that before you said it. |
| 09:54.15 | Wraithan | say tracking heavy knothide leather |
| 09:54.21 | Wraithan | or enchanting supplies |
| 09:54.31 | Wraithan | or primals |
| 09:55.48 | Wraithan | enchanting supplies would be the best example I guess but would be most affected by session start time too, while farming them, I rarely sit and tailor everytime I have the mats to make the item I am DEing |
| 09:56.38 | Carancu | I think I am a perfect example of that, had aroudn 5k cloth by the time I finally sent it to a friend to sew and DE it... |
| 09:57.09 | Wraithan | but you don't only DE the cloth, you DE the greens and sometimes the blues that drop also |
| 09:58.34 | Wraithan | If an area had less drops of cloth but higher drops of greens it could potentially be a better place to farm for enchanting mats, or if a place had lower quality greens (less mats per DE) but was easy to farm massive amounts of cloth and or greens it could be better |
| 09:58.45 | Wraithan | ugh, this hurts |
| 09:59.55 | Carancu | the most accurate way is most likely the one where you start the session manually. |
| 10:00.36 | Wraithan | agreed |
| 10:00.56 | Wraithan | and if the session isn't started manually, start when you get the first drop |
| 10:01.22 | Wraithan | now, per item or global session? |
| 10:02.59 | KriLL3 | I wish the talent pane had an <OK> button |
| 10:03.00 | Wraithan | If I implement savable sets, global sessions make the most sence, without that, per item is a feasible option |
| 10:03.21 | Wraithan | Misclick? |
| 10:03.23 | KriLL3 | before you click it you can still add/remove talents and if you close the pane you cancel it |
| 10:03.25 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 10:03.30 | Wraithan | ugh, I hate that |
| 10:03.41 | KriLL3 | and it would remove the need for talent calculators |
| 10:03.42 | [SW]Dodge | KriLL3: use talented :P |
| 10:03.43 | KriLL3 | well most of the need |
| 10:03.52 | Carancu | I really have no arguments for or against either of the global/per item sessions. |
| 10:04.01 | KriLL3 | [SW]Dodge: does it work on LK? I've tried it on TBC and can't make heads or tails of it |
| 10:04.24 | [SW]Dodge | KriLL3: i dont know if it works on lk |
| 10:04.36 | [SW]Dodge | dont have a key yet :s |
| 10:04.43 | KriLL3 | :\ |
| 10:04.48 | [SW]Dodge | so i wasnt able to test |
| 10:04.55 | KriLL3 | yours? |
| 10:05.00 | [SW]Dodge | no^^ |
| 10:05.19 | Wraithan | Carancu: same, seems more of an abitrary choice for me instead of something that should be obviously one way or the other |
| 10:05.29 | [SW]Dodge | mine is CooldownButtons :) |
| 10:05.46 | Wraithan | think I will implement globally and then try to get the savable sets done soon |
| 10:06.27 | Wraithan | soo many potential features |
| 10:06.34 | Wraithan | for something simple |
| 10:07.41 | KriLL3 | yay no premades for EU... |
| 10:07.47 | KriLL3 | ever |
| 10:07.50 | Wraithan | also want to have some sort of goal setting so you can have an estimated time to complete |
| 10:07.57 | [SW]Dodge | KriLL3: yep |
| 10:08.29 | KriLL3 | US gets 3 servers one of em premade, EU gets 1 :D |
| 10:08.39 | KriLL3 | and it's in the US = uberlag |
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| 10:09.02 | Groktar | sweet, KriLL3 found something else to complain about |
| 10:09.03 | [SW]Dodge | KriLL3: yea, but you can be happy to have a key ;p |
| 10:09.05 | Carancu | 400ms latency beats the 2k+ I did mc with :P |
| 10:09.45 | KriLL3 | [SW]Dodge: well I was lucky and saw the opt-in thing just when it was put up |
| 10:09.57 | Groktar | i remember the 10 second lag spikes when i was learning bwl |
| 10:10.24 | [SW]Dodge | KriLL3: :D wit a bit of luck i'll get my key within the next week |
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| 10:16.54 | Groktar | you working on an addon [SW]Dodge? |
| 10:17.10 | [SW]Dodge | Groktar: yes |
| 10:17.17 | Groktar | which one? |
| 10:17.24 | [SW]Dodge | cooldownbuttons |
| 10:17.45 | Groktar | mm, think i've seen it |
| 10:18.03 | [SW]Dodge | its on files.wowace, curse and wowi^^ |
| 10:18.32 | KriLL3 | what does it do? |
| 10:18.52 | [SW]Dodge | it shows cooldowns :P wait 1 sek |
| 10:19.12 | KriLL3 | in what manner? |
| 10:19.13 | [SW]Dodge | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw17650.jpg screen |
| 10:19.31 | KriLL3 | it's like CDT2 and a million other addons like it? |
| 10:19.44 | [SW]Dodge | yea but not with bars :D |
| 10:20.08 | KriLL3 | bars are a lot easier to read quickly, and there are addons like that sans bars |
| 10:20.19 | KriLL3 | sorry to say it but it feels like you're re-coding the wheel |
| 10:20.26 | Wraithan | OmniCC springs to mind' |
| 10:20.41 | [SW]Dodge | Wraithan: OmniCC shows on your actionbars |
| 10:20.43 | KriLL3 | not to belittle your effort, I couldn't do an addon like that for sure |
| 10:21.39 | [SW]Dodge | i made that becouse i dont like to have so much bars in my ui and i dont have all spells with/cd on all shapeshift bars |
| 10:22.28 | KriLL3 | I really wish LK got a fully upgraded graphics engine instead of just getting some primitive lighting slapped on, it's running really slow on my beast of a machine, not even making my CPU or GPU sweat, they need to make the game capable of making better use of good hardware |
| 10:23.00 | [SW]Dodge | KriLL3: i read that the updates to the graphics will(could) come with next addon |
| 10:23.10 | KriLL3 | addon? |
| 10:23.39 | Cheads | expansion |
| 10:23.44 | [SW]Dodge | yea expansion^^ |
| 10:23.51 | KriLL3 | 32-45 fps in Dalaran with a Q6600 @ 3.3Ghz + GTX 260 575 @ 690 neither showing much use or any thermal increase from idle... |
| 10:24.15 | KriLL3 | that's a lower FPS than I get in crysis on med-high settings, and trust me crysis does a lot more visually than wow |
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| 10:31.15 | KriLL3 | but isn't it odd that my hardware is essentially idle and wow is struggling to get past 40 fps? |
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| 10:32.10 | Wraithan | I didn't care for Crysis, sure it is a benchmark of sorts because it does things in a way that requires more hardware, but overall the game suck. |
| 10:32.15 | Wraithan | sucked. |
| 10:32.22 | KriLL3 | yeah indeed |
| 10:32.31 | KriLL3 | I just use it as a semi interactive visual benchmark =P |
| 10:32.52 | KriLL3 | It's Farcry 1.1 + more generic FPS bs, and I didn't like Farcry |
| 10:33.29 | copystring | the UI drawing eats a lot performance, if you hide it, you will notice a big FPS increase |
| 10:34.54 | KriLL3 | how could the UI need that many resources? |
| 10:37.08 | copystring | not sure, i guess because its written in lua, wich works slowish... just a thought |
| 10:37.32 | KriLL3 | well that would eat up CPU cycles, and wow never passes 50% CPU usage |
| 10:37.43 | KriLL3 | btw anyone got US LK forum link? can't find it |
| 10:38.01 | Carancu | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/index.html?sid=2000 |
| 10:38.24 | KriLL3 | oh it doesn't have it's own seperate section, odd. |
| 10:42.41 | Maldivia | KriLL3: wow uses 100% cpu always |
| 10:42.48 | KriLL3 | not for me |
| 10:42.51 | Maldivia | KriLL3: reason you're seeing 50%, is because you have a dual-core |
| 10:42.55 | KriLL3 | no |
| 10:43.05 | KriLL3 | I see each core's use individually, and I got a quad |
| 10:43.20 | copystring | wow doesnt use more then 2 cores as far as i know |
| 10:43.24 | KriLL3 | wow never passes 50% use on core 1 & 2, doesn't make use of 3 and 4 |
| 10:43.36 | KriLL3 | copystring: yeah, but it doesn't ever use much of the 2 cores it does use... |
| 10:43.47 | Maldivia | still that's 100% of one core |
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| 10:44.14 | KriLL3 | yeah one |
| 10:44.15 | KriLL3 | out of 4 |
| 10:44.25 | KriLL3 | *golf clap* |
| 10:44.52 | Cheads | a process cannot run on several cores |
| 10:44.55 | Maldivia | single threaded applications can't utilize more than that |
| 10:45.13 | copystring | wow supports 2 threads |
| 10:45.22 | Wraithan | It would be nice if more games would take advantage of multi cores |
| 10:45.41 | Maldivia | Wraithan: true - but writing a multi-threaded engine is a pita |
| 10:45.44 | KriLL3 | Cheads: urgh, it can if you separate the tasks |
| 10:46.00 | Wraithan | Maldivia: agreed, I have tried and failed. |
| 10:46.21 | Cheads | well.. one thread then |
| 10:46.32 | Maldivia | Wraithan: yeah - there's a reason there are so few multithreaded games out there :9 |
| 10:46.43 | KriLL3 | Maldivia: not that hard if you want to add additional elements to an already existing engine, for example the new lighting stuff could check if you got more than 2 core and move to 3/4 what ever if it detects it |
| 10:46.54 | KriLL3 | Maldivia: few? |
| 10:46.59 | Wraithan | KriLL3: resource management is already a nightmare in game engines, multithreading also causes a nightmare in resource management, now combine the two |
| 10:47.13 | KriLL3 | almost all new games out are multi threaded |
| 10:47.32 | Wraithan | the thread off 10% of the computation, while it counts it hardly counts |
| 10:47.34 | KriLL3 | All Unreal Engine 3 games are anyway, and that's a lot of games |
| 10:48.06 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: sure, but then why is my GPU sitting idle while the game is struggling to maintain 40 fps? |
| 10:48.23 | KriLL3 | it can't make use of the shader architecture? |
| 10:48.47 | Wraithan | debug build? |
| 10:48.56 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 10:49.09 | Maldivia | KriLL3: in Dalaran, you have a few hundred players/npcs to keep track of aswell |
| 10:49.14 | Wraithan | Debug builds don't take full advantage of hardware accelation |
| 10:49.46 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: I still get momentary slow downs in TBC and it's still more or less idling my hardware |
| 10:50.00 | KriLL3 | Maldivia: it shouldn't keep track of something that isn't in my LOS |
| 10:50.21 | Tifi | they are publishing debug builds for beta? o.O |
| 10:50.33 | Cheads | it must to know if it's in your line of sight or not |
| 10:51.10 | Maldivia | it shouldn't draw to the screen if you can't see it, but the client still need to track it |
| 10:51.14 | KriLL3 | Cheads: engines worked that out 2002~ |
| 10:51.30 | Wraithan | It is probably also a design issue, to make use of CPU over GPU, so you get CPU bottlenecking instead of GPU bottlenecking... consider how old the engine is a this point |
| 10:51.48 | Wraithan | engines work that out well before 2002. |
| 10:51.58 | Cheads | yes.. the engine does'nt render the npcs etc. that are not there |
| 10:52.01 | KriLL3 | well as said it idles my cores |
| 10:52.18 | KriLL3 | I can't see how it can bottleneck when it doesn't pass 50% ever |
| 10:52.19 | Cheads | so cpu bottleneck |
| 10:52.35 | Maldivia | KriLL3: as already stated, wow is capped at 100% utilization of a single core |
| 10:52.35 | Wraithan | KriLL3 | Wraithan: sure, but then why is my GPU sitting idle while the game is struggling to maintain 40 fps |
| 10:52.46 | KriLL3 | Maldivia: why? |
| 10:52.52 | Wraithan | design. |
| 10:52.53 | Maldivia | KriLL3: that's just the way it is |
| 10:53.05 | KriLL3 | but if it can make use of 2 cores why stop at 50%? |
| 10:53.37 | Wraithan | 50% of what, the individual cores or 100% utilation of 2 out of 4 cores? |
| 10:53.40 | Cheads | because it cannot dynamically put whatever it wants to another core |
| 10:53.49 | Maldivia | because that's apparently a limitation of the client's engine |
| 10:53.56 | Wraithan | Cheads: techinically it can, but that would be even more of a mess. |
| 10:54.05 | Wraithan | well |
| 10:54.12 | Wraithan | it could, theoretically |
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| 10:54.29 | KriLL3 | but if it can delegate work between 2 cores why does it stop at 50%? that doesn't make any kind of sense to me |
| 10:54.41 | Wraithan | dynamically threading things off, I would shoot myself working on that engine |
| 10:54.47 | Wraithan | KriLL3: 50% of what? |
| 10:54.52 | Wraithan | of the individual cores? |
| 10:54.52 | KriLL3 | that's like having 2x V6 engines in car but limiting the RPM to 50% of max |
| 10:54.57 | Cheads | Wraithan well... something has to manage it all.. and I somehow doubt you would win much |
| 10:54.58 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: yeah |
| 10:55.13 | Wraithan | so you have 2 cores at 50% and the others idle? |
| 10:55.18 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 10:55.32 | KriLL3 | it's using a total of 1/4 of my CPU |
| 10:55.36 | Tifi | i highly doubt that |
| 10:55.41 | Wraithan | then you are probably bottlenecked elsewhere |
| 10:55.55 | KriLL3 | Wraithan: It's a close to top end gaming machine |
| 10:55.59 | Wraithan | so? |
| 10:56.01 | KriLL3 | I can run crysis at a nice clip |
| 10:56.05 | Wraithan | so? |
| 10:56.12 | KriLL3 | I doubt my machine is bottlenecked |
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| 10:56.17 | Wraithan | crysis developers != wow developers |
| 10:56.21 | Maldivia | a quad core processor, wow will at max use 25% of max capacity (= full utilization of a single core) |
| 10:56.30 | Maldivia | a dual core processor, wow will at max use 50% of max capacity (= full utilization of a single core) |
| 10:56.31 | KriLL3 | I'd guess that the wow engine simple can't make use of the hardware |
| 10:56.32 | Wraithan | There are always bottlenecks. |
| 10:56.54 | KriLL3 | *simply |
| 10:56.56 | Cheads | KriLL3 yes |
| 10:57.08 | Wraithan | it is designed for use on old hardware, keep that in mind |
| 10:57.14 | Wraithan | er |
| 10:57.25 | Wraithan | It was designed for use on old hardware, as in old when it came out. |
| 10:57.44 | Cheads | World of Warcraft is multithreaded and can use a bit of the second processor. Most of the work is done on a single core. |
| 10:58.06 | Wraithan | I can play WoW (albeit not very fast) on my laptop which is 1.4ghz, 512 ram, and 64MB onboard video |
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| 11:18.19 | Fisker- | Maldivia my WoW atleast runs better with 4 cores than it does with 2 cores though |
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| 11:19.16 | KriLL3 | Fisker-: that's odd |
| 11:19.28 | KriLL3 | it doesn't touch the other cores, you must have other stuff running at the same time |
| 11:19.36 | Fisker- | i do |
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| 11:19.44 | Fisker- | But it's not something using a lot of CPU |
| 11:20.03 | Fisker- | Or any cpu for that matter |
| 11:21.24 | Adirelle|work | wotlk seems to eat more cpu, but also to touch other cpus... but it is maybe because it is a debugging build |
| 11:21.47 | KriLL3 | well it seems the shading stuff is 100% CPU |
| 11:21.59 | Adirelle|work | yes |
| 11:22.15 | KriLL3 | if i set it to 0 my FPS gets smooth and the CPU usage drops down to near idle, set it at max and it fixates the usage of core 1 & 2 to 50% |
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| 11:28.09 | Cheads | shading stuff? shadow? |
| 11:28.49 | Megalon | i think he means extShadowQuality |
| 11:30.08 | Cheads | http://wotlkwiki.info/up2/pages/news/shadowqual.JPG |
| 11:32.20 | KriLL3 | well it's a slider in the UI now |
| 11:33.42 | Stanzilla | lol Cold Weather Flying now costs gold |
| 11:33.47 | Stanzilla | 950g |
| 11:33.51 | KriLL3 | O_o |
| 11:33.58 | nevcairiel | was last patch already |
| 11:33.59 | KriLL3 | they said it wouldn't |
| 11:34.01 | nevcairiel | no quest anymore |
| 11:34.05 | nevcairiel | its stupid =P |
| 11:34.06 | [SW]Dodge | lol O.o |
| 11:34.13 | nevcairiel | maybe its temporary |
| 11:34.15 | nevcairiel | who knows |
| 11:34.24 | KriLL3 | ... they explicitly said it wouldn't cost gold |
| 11:34.44 | nevcairiel | they said it wouldnt cost another big pile of money =P |
| 11:35.00 | Wraithan | yeah, they also said that shaman maelstrom weapon will not work on heals... guess what they changed... |
| 11:35.02 | KriLL3 | well 950g is a quite big pile |
| 11:35.17 | nevcairiel | KriLL3: not compared to the 5k from before |
| 11:35.25 | nevcairiel | but *shrug |
| 11:35.26 | KriLL3 | true, but it's still lame |
| 11:35.37 | nevcairiel | the quest was cool, too |
| 11:35.53 | KriLL3 | I wouldn't know |
| 11:36.54 | Wraithan | KriLL3: not really, it isn't too much now, and it is even less when the expansion comes out |
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| 11:40.51 | Fisker- | nevcairiel my friend |
| 11:43.38 | Wraithan | Say I was going to use AceConfig3 for my addon, is there a way to dynamically add fields to the window while it is open, like say I have 2-3 check box options, then I want to add items to my watch list, would it be possible to have a text input field (single line) then another text input field after that on the line (smaller just takes a number) and have plus or minus buttons to add or remove the number |
| 11:43.39 | Wraithan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:01.23 | [SW]Dodge | Wraithan: yes |
| 12:02.07 | [SW]Dodge | jsut modify the options table and call LibStub("AceConfigRegistry-3.0"):NotifyChange("Cooldown Buttons") |
| 12:02.13 | [SW]Dodge | wher cooldown buttons is your addons config :P |
| 12:03.22 | Lyn | nevcairiel, server down? |
| 12:03.23 | Stanzilla | World Server is down |
| 12:03.24 | Stanzilla | >.< |
| 12:03.28 | Lyn | ah okay lol |
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| 12:05.28 | Zyndrome | naw, the server is never dWorld Server Down |
| 12:05.54 | Adirelle|work | kenlyric: gotta something you should test : http://www.wowace.com/wiki/FeedIt |
| 12:06.02 | Adirelle|work | -ta |
| 12:06.58 | kenlyric | HOT |
| 12:07.21 | Adirelle|work | it only select food in your bag, it is up to you to click or not |
| 12:08.29 | kenlyric | do I'll need to click something besides the macro, or just the macro? |
| 12:08.34 | Adirelle|work | but you can plug it into Tekkub's Cork |
| 12:08.56 | Adirelle|work | just the macro |
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| 12:14.00 | Wraithan | [SW]Dodge: Ah thank you... not to the implementation of that part, just was curious design-wise if that was possible |
| 12:14.33 | kenlyric | how do I check if an addon is installed if it has no options or slash commands? |
| 12:14.39 | kenlyric | without just logging out :) |
| 12:14.56 | Wraithan | um, see if it is doing what it should be doing? |
| 12:15.20 | kenlyric | it could just be me being dumb |
| 12:15.48 | Adirelle|work | => /run DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GetAddOnInfo("FeedIt")) |
| 12:15.52 | Wraithan | But in the time you took to log into IRC and ask, you could have just logged out and looked... just an observeration |
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| 12:20.56 | kenlyric | I was logged into irc anyway |
| 12:21.12 | kenlyric | and you vastly underestimate the time it takes to logout and back into wow |
| 12:21.19 | kenlyric | and it was me being dumb anyway |
| 12:21.27 | kenlyric | you have to actually extract the zip file |
| 12:21.53 | Wraithan | not sure about that, I have 150+ folders in my addons folder.. takes me a decent amount of time to get in game |
| 12:23.02 | [SW]Dodge | 190+ folders :D |
| 12:23.15 | kenlyric | or maybe you vastly overestimate the amount of time it takes to login to IRC |
| 12:23.27 | Maldivia | for i = 1, GetNumAddons() do local name, _, _, enabled = GetAddOnInfo(i) ChatFrame1:AddMessage(name .. " is " .. (enabled and "enabled" or "disabled")) end |
| 12:23.30 | kenlyric | in any case, asking on irc is always faster :) |
| 12:23.51 | Maldivia | or something like that, to list all addons :) |
| 12:28.06 | Adirelle|work | kenlyric: the lastest revision (81606) isn't on files.wowace.com yet |
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| 12:30.20 | kenlyric | ok, updating from svn, trying again |
| 12:30.40 | Adirelle|work | notice it will mainly add feedback so you know you clicked ^^ |
| 12:31.05 | kenlyric | it threw a math error at me |
| 12:31.32 | KriLL3 | why oh why can't EU testers post on the US LK forums? :( |
| 12:31.36 | KriLL3 | we can log in there but not post |
| 12:31.56 | kenlyric | wish you could cancel buffs on pet |
| 12:32.17 | kenlyric | Adirelle|work: seems to work so far.. i'll report if it acts funny |
| 12:32.23 | kenlyric | <hero> |
| 12:32.47 | Adirelle|work | kenlyric: which math error ? |
| 12:32.56 | kenlyric | I got it on the old revision |
| 12:33.09 | Adirelle|work | oh, yes, I fixed it in the meantime |
| 12:35.16 | kenlyric | that was odd, ark inventory threw an error with the previous feedit. |
| 12:35.24 | kenlyric | and now its settings are back to default. |
| 12:35.38 | Adirelle|work | huh ? |
| 12:35.50 | kenlyric | yeah, huh |
| 12:35.54 | kenlyric | I have no idea |
| 12:37.41 | kenlyric | it probably wasn't feedit's fault, it just happened at the same time. |
| 12:38.12 | kenlyric | probably when my computer decided it was going to shutdown and restart when i closed wow. |
| 12:38.20 | kenlyric | ["message"] = "WTF\\Account\\KENLYRIC\\SavedVariables\\ArkInventory.lua:40248: '}' expected (to close '{' at line 40239) near '<eof>':\n\n |
| 12:38.32 | kenlyric | surprised more of them aren't screwed up. |
| 12:39.46 | kenlyric | 40k lines is a lot... |
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| 14:08.39 | Dotted | pokes Xinhuan |
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| 14:10.50 | Fisker- | slaps Dotted around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:11.15 | Dotted | du er ikke Xinhuan så gå væk Fisker- |
| 14:11.26 | Adirelle|work | ~lart Dotted |
| 14:11.26 | purl | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Dotted |
| 14:11.34 | Dotted | :((( |
| 14:11.35 | Xinhuan | avoids being poked |
| 14:12.11 | Dotted | Xinhuan Routes doesnt seem to use shared notes from gathermate? |
| 14:12.21 | Xinhuan | it does? |
| 14:12.51 | Dotted | it ignores notes i have recieved from a guildie |
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| 14:13.42 | Xinhuan | i'll check if recieved notes trigger the callbacks |
| 14:13.51 | Xinhuan | if it doesn't, it was coded that way on purpose |
| 14:14.03 | Dotted | >_< |
| 14:14.45 | Xinhuan | yep correct |
| 14:14.51 | Xinhuan | received notes do not trigger the callbacks |
| 14:15.18 | Xinhuan | gathermate_sharing calls InjectNode, which doesn't call the usual AddNode |
| 14:15.57 | Dotted | which basicly means that you are gonna fix it, just for me :P? |
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| 14:19.32 | Dotted | or maybe just a recreate route button in Routes? |
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| 14:20.57 | Xinhuan | i will probably get aroudn to adding a "recreate route" button in routes |
| 14:21.13 | Xinhuan | that takes the current route, what nodes its made of, and recreate a new one with those same nodes |
| 14:21.22 | Kaelten | g'morning |
| 14:21.29 | Xinhuan | or |
| 14:21.31 | Xinhuan | you can ask kagaro |
| 14:21.32 | Xinhuan | now |
| 14:21.38 | Xinhuan | about changing gathermate_sharing |
| 14:21.49 | Xinhuan | i know he's here ;p |
| 14:21.53 | kagaro | yeah ill take a look at it when im done with work |
| 14:22.11 | Xinhuan | _sharing is calling |
| 14:22.13 | Xinhuan | GatherMate:InjectNode(zone, coord, dbIndexes[nodeType], nodeID) |
| 14:22.28 | kagaro | loop prevention |
| 14:22.29 | Xinhuan | which do not fire GatherMateNodeAdded or GatherMateNodeDeleted messages. |
| 14:22.46 | kagaro | since sharing listens for the add message |
| 14:22.47 | Xinhuan | yes mainly a loop prevention thing, but you already have a "actingoncomm" variable |
| 14:22.55 | kagaro | yeah ill fix it today |
| 14:23.16 | Dotted | <3 kagaro |
| 14:28.32 | digmouse | hey what stands for the name of WTF folder? |
| 14:28.43 | digmouse | I dont mean What the F*** |
| 14:28.51 | ckknight | WoW Text File |
| 14:29.00 | ckknight | inside joke, though |
| 14:29.06 | digmouse | weird.. why text |
| 14:29.23 | digmouse | lol |
| 14:29.30 | Elkano | they didn't come up with a better word for the T ;) |
| 14:30.11 | digmouse | ya |
| 14:30.20 | digmouse | I dont got a better one than text :D |
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| 14:36.53 | Adirelle|work | did I missed something (like "we switched to CF TODAY!") ? I have the feeling of being the only one to commit on dev.wowace.com... |
| 14:37.12 | Shirik | addons on compact flash now? |
| 14:37.19 | Adirelle|work | CurseForge |
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| 14:38.59 | Shirik | I like compact flash better |
| 14:41.50 | Adirelle|work | ok |
| 14:44.46 | [SW]Dodge | is there an addon that i can use to "save" current spells in my actionbars? |
| 14:44.53 | [SW]Dodge | (and later restore them) |
| 14:45.19 | Stanzilla | Action Bar Saver |
| 14:46.05 | [SW]Dodge | Stanzilla: thanks :D |
| 14:57.46 | chexsum | cold fusion |
| 15:15.04 | Funkeh` | Gnarfoz, did you ever test and commit that patch |
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| 15:20.18 | kenlyric | we're going to need a mod so you an easily unequip and mail BoA items to alts |
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| 15:44.21 | selckin | anyone know a addon to sort guild tabs? |
| 15:45.23 | Industrial | guild tabs? |
| 15:45.30 | selckin | bank |
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| 15:52.45 | Wraithan | MrPlow? not sure if that was implemented.. it was on the todo months ago when I looked |
| 15:57.46 | kenlyric | I don't think those mods work on a guild bank, I don't think the api allows that |
| 15:58.28 | selckin | looks like bankstack can do it |
| 15:59.56 | Wraithan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FArZxLj6DLk |
| 16:01.21 | Hjalte | ~seen tekkub |
| 16:01.23 | purl | tekkub <n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 8h 7m 21s ago, saying: 'Google Chrome is conspiring with Spore to oppress the Christian Minority'. |
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| 16:02.16 | Hjalte | Bankstack is nice, I don't know if it works on the guild bank though. |
| 16:02.48 | selckin | very buggy :\ |
| 16:03.06 | Wraithan | MrPlow is the win for bank/inventory |
| 16:03.16 | selckin | guild bank too? |
| 16:03.20 | Hjalte | I haven't had bankstack bug, but I don't use it for bank either. |
| 16:03.51 | selckin | bankstack's algoritm is funny |
| 16:04.59 | Wraithan | MrPlow's algo seems like it could be way better but I haven't actually looked into it |
| 16:05.01 | selckin | just saw it move a herb 1 at a time paste 200 stacks of another herb |
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| 16:26.57 | digmouse | uh, how can i specify a food's category? meat, fruit etc. |
| 16:28.05 | ckknight | om nom nom |
| 16:28.26 | digmouse | no way? |
| 16:31.08 | Funkeh` | urg |
| 16:31.24 | Funkeh` | I STILL have to use global variables in beta for chat filter functions |
| 16:31.34 | Funkeh` | So much for scrapping them |
| 16:32.58 | ckknight | digmouse: specify how? |
| 16:37.29 | digmouse | ckknight: just find a way to specify the food's exact category |
| 16:37.44 | digmouse | like my cat dont eat fruit and it eats meat and fish |
| 16:38.25 | ckknight | hrm, I thought there was a way |
| 16:38.38 | ckknight | check PeriodicTable? |
| 16:39.02 | digmouse | if I dont wanna use lib? I mean someone dont |
| 16:39.21 | digmouse | he doesnt like to embed libs in his addons |
| 16:39.33 | ckknight | I'm just giving you a suggestion |
| 16:39.44 | ckknight | I know PeriodicTable can filter by type |
| 16:39.50 | ckknight | ask #WoWUIDev |
| 16:39.57 | digmouse | I gave him that too, suggest him using LibPT |
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| 16:51.34 | kenlyric | digmouse: http://files.wowace.com/FeedIt/ |
| 16:52.08 | kenlyric | I believe it can either use libpt or the a built-in database of foods |
| 16:53.48 | Choseh | anyone here playing rogue in beta? |
| 17:00.15 | digmouse | kenlyric: ty, I'll look into that |
| 17:01.32 | Hjalte | Does anyone have any experience with mini laptops? I'm unsure of how small a screen I can manage. |
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| 17:41.38 | Pneumatus_ | ping: orionshock |
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| 17:53.06 | Tifi | do the tinytip modules require tinytip? |
| 17:55.38 | Aeyan | I don't think so |
| 17:55.56 | Aeyan | If you mean, like, TinyTipPositioning |
| 17:56.25 | digmouse | where does Murmer realm go? |
| 17:58.35 | kagaro | digmouse: i was wondering that myself |
| 17:59.09 | digmouse | and my premade copys reset to 3 |
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| 18:12.11 | Hjalte | "PvE-to-PvP Paid Character Transfers Now Open" That was about time. |
| 18:12.30 | Zyndrome | ;o |
| 18:12.57 | Zyndrome | source or it didnt happen |
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| 18:14.24 | kenlyric | worldofwarcraft.com |
| 18:14.32 | kenlyric | fairly reliable source |
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| 18:15.07 | Hjalte | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/9679894519-pvetopvp-paid-character-transfers-now-open.html |
| 18:16.21 | Xinhuan | rofl |
| 18:16.32 | Tifi | TinyTipTargets-0.2\TinyTipTargets.lua:206: Attempt to find 'this' in non-framescript object |
| 18:16.41 | kenlyric | worldofwarcraft.com is a more reliable source than a blue |
| 18:17.57 | Xinhuan | i think bornakk is reliable |
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| 18:19.12 | JY` | mmh US only ? |
| 18:19.16 | JY` | or EU-lag |
| 18:19.21 | JY` | the Pve > PvP |
| 18:21.17 | Dotted | [2008/09/11 20:20:37-707-x1]: memory allocation error: block too big: <- lolwut? |
| 18:22.59 | Ellipsis | Dotted: there's a whole thread about it on wowace, nobody knows exactly where it comes from :d |
| 18:23.14 | Dotted | my recount was reset |
| 18:28.06 | Hjalte | Tekkub: I know you haven't released tekauc or anything, but when i start a scan it soft-disconnects me, eg. I am still logged in but not really connected, and after a while I log out and get the disconnected message :) |
| 18:28.24 | Tekkub | nothing I can do |
| 18:29.10 | Hjalte | Tekkub: I'm not blaming you, I was just wondering if it could help you in anyway. I like many of your addons. |
| 18:29.45 | Tekkub | you can't, the solution is ye old classic page-by-page scan of the AH, and I'm not doing that in tekauc |
| 18:29.57 | Tekkub | so... yea... you're kinda screwed :P |
| 18:30.09 | Dotted | tekauc :o |
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| 18:39.30 | Choseh | yaaay |
| 18:39.36 | Choseh | pve->pvp transfers! |
| 18:40.37 | kadrahil | !ap 1660 |
| 18:40.38 | Xinhuan | 1660 rating gives 548(5s), 482(3s) and 416(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
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| 18:42.56 | Sunwind | anyone know a way to align fubar plugins on the bar? I seem to remember it used to have some option to add padding to the left/right of individual addons so you could space things out how you wanted ,but it seems they removed that functionality. relevant screen with problem: http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4788/wowscrnshot091108193718xl6.jpg |
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| 18:48.57 | vithos | Sunwind, i think all you can do is left/right/center. but that should be enough. i assume you have the bar fully transparent right now? it looks like you need to just shorten it |
| 18:49.53 | vithos | make the real bar visible temporarily and drag the ends to resize it |
| 18:50.09 | Sunwind | right i'll try that thanks |
| 18:51.43 | Sunwind | ahh thanks a lot vithos |
| 18:51.47 | vithos | np |
| 18:51.50 | Sunwind | had no idea you could drag it around like that |
| 18:51.52 | vithos | nice ui btw |
| 18:52.24 | Sunwind | yeah? just finished doing the panels for it |
| 18:53.34 | Sunwind | then I find out about this "eepanels successor" called kgPanels and now i'm worried i'll have to redo it all >_> |
| 18:53.47 | ckknight | Dotted: you used too much memory. gg |
| 18:54.33 | Dotted | fail |
| 18:54.39 | ckknight | Sunwind: resize the bar. |
| 18:54.53 | ckknight | Sunwind: oh, already answered :-P |
| 18:55.00 | kadrahil | !ap 1689 |
| 18:55.01 | Xinhuan | 1689 rating gives 590(5s), 519(3s) and 449(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 18:57.02 | Sunwind | ckknight my hero |
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| 18:59.40 | Hjalte | "Boulderfist Saboteur yells: Rawr! Me is Shadow Council magishun! Me come for Warmaul terri... tettritor... Me come for Warmaul land!" - I love ogres! |
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| 19:05.12 | kadrahil | !ap 1707 |
| 19:05.13 | Xinhuan | 1707 rating gives 617(5s), 543(3s) and 469(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
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| 19:16.09 | Kaelten | who was it thats always complaining about the footer on the new wowace? |
| 19:16.13 | NivFreak | HELL FROZE OVER |
| 19:16.15 | NivFreak | Providing a smooth and enjoyable experience for all players is always a priority for us, and we are continually re-evaluating our policies and programs to do so. As the state of the game has matured substantially since the inception of Paid Character Transfers, we will now be allowing PvE-to-PvP transfers on a full-time basis to provide players with more mobility and freedom to easily play with their friends. |
| 19:16.25 | NivFreak | (sorry if I'm behind) |
| 19:16.43 | Kaelten | nice |
| 19:16.47 | NivFreak | god damnit |
| 19:16.51 | NivFreak | I just leveled a new mage to 59 |
| 19:16.57 | NivFreak | when I have a 61 in t2 on a pve realm |
| 19:16.57 | NivFreak | haha |
| 19:17.45 | ramoz | wheres the new wowace? |
| 19:19.23 | kenlyric | it took me 7 minutes to complete the transfer |
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| 19:20.18 | Daemona | hmmm anyone know an addon the calculates the armor value / mitigated melee damage for a target on the fly? |
| 19:20.50 | Daemona | i found "MobMitigation" by Nymbia ... but its not loading on the beta ;) |
| 19:21.31 | Stanzilla | Kaelten: that was me |
| 19:21.43 | Xinhuan | imagine the amount of extra money blizz makes |
| 19:21.48 | Xinhuan | from that pve->pvp xfer |
| 19:21.59 | Kaelten | Stanzilla: I have a new one for you to look at :) |
| 19:22.15 | Stanzilla | heh, go go! :P |
| 19:22.34 | Kaelten | Stanzilla: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/8eb2c699615c76bbf08a3270d0ac11fe.png |
| 19:22.47 | Xinhuan | people read footers? :D |
| 19:22.53 | Stanzilla | way better! |
| 19:22.59 | Stanzilla | Xinhuan: it was about the colors etc |
| 19:23.05 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/beta/WoWScrnShot_091108_120719.jpg |
| 19:23.45 | Kaelten | Stanzilla: any further feedback? |
| 19:23.58 | Xinhuan | rofl |
| 19:24.00 | Kaelten | Antiarc: thats an interesting bar at the bottom |
| 19:24.05 | Kaelten | lol |
| 19:24.08 | Antiarc | That's the siege vehicle bar |
| 19:24.18 | Kaelten | ah, nice |
| 19:24.53 | Stanzilla | Kaelten: no not really..I can't find my glasses atm but I hope you used the same colors you already used on the rest of the site and not new ones :) |
| 19:25.08 | Kaelten | Stanzilla: yes they're used elsewhere |
| 19:25.17 | Kaelten | I'm trying to stick to the same color pallette all over the site |
| 19:25.17 | Stanzilla | good good :) |
| 19:25.29 | Kaelten | Stanzilla: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/b871687bfb8021e6ad464793fd9462f0.png |
| 19:25.38 | Kaelten | Thats the new profile section layout |
| 19:25.44 | Kaelten | it differs from a lot of the other pages |
| 19:26.18 | Megalon | even real good nudity is omited :< |
| 19:26.42 | Stanzilla | looks good! |
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| 19:47.46 | Antiarc | Anyone know if there is a unit ID for pets spawned by the Illidan dagger proc? |
| 19:47.58 | Antiarc | I suspect not, but I just discovered I can use Tricks of the Trade on them, which is awesome |
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| 19:54.15 | charon | what are they called? i think i should have such a proc somewhere in the logs |
| 19:54.23 | digmouse | everyunit has an ID though |
| 19:54.31 | digmouse | Flame of Azzinoth |
| 19:55.01 | digmouse | but since those are summoned on proc, I dont think they have a fixed GUID |
| 19:55.02 | Xinhuan | he said unitid, not guid ;p |
| 19:55.14 | charon | aren't those encoded in the guid? |
| 19:55.18 | charon | oh, unitid |
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| 19:55.25 | digmouse | :( misunderstanding |
| 19:55.33 | charon | lurks again |
| 19:55.54 | Xinhuan | i'm trying to contemplate if farming 26 AB tokens is suicide |
| 19:56.17 | digmouse | setting up my layout in PitBull is dangerous |
| 19:57.32 | Antiarc | I'd like to make a macro to cast Tricks on an ember if I have one up |
| 19:57.38 | Antiarc | But I'm not sure I can |
| 19:57.45 | Antiarc | Maybe /target Embed of Azzinoth will work |
| 19:58.01 | Xinhuan | try /targetexact |
| 19:58.04 | charon | freud the addon coder? ;) |
| 19:58.58 | Antiarc | What's the command to return to your previous target? |
| 19:59.45 | Xinhuan | /targetlasttarget |
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| 20:22.06 | Sunwind | macro help: what would I do if I wanted a 'pet attack toggle' macro, press once to attack current target, press again to return, etc |
| 20:25.54 | digmouse | any debuff timer recommandations? |
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| 20:36.22 | Stanzilla | Adirelle: ice armor is not cast in battleground before the spirit heal buff runs out :( |
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| 20:46.14 | NeoTron | so many friends getting beta keys |
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| 21:06.55 | Ellipsis | http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ |
| 21:07.05 | Ellipsis | in case you all needed somewhere to check that |
| 21:07.26 | Zyndrome | 22:39.55 ( NeoTron ) so many germans getting beta keys |
| 21:07.26 | Zyndrome | :D |
| 21:08.13 | Zyndrome | anyway, still no one else in my guild has got a key |
| 21:09.05 | SunTsu | Everybody I know who got a key sold it on ebay *g* |
| 21:09.32 | Odlaw | i thought they didn't start smashing particles till october.. they were just testing to see if the particles can go around the entire loop so far |
| 21:10.06 | Odlaw | so zomg.. who cares tho if they destroy the world.. like i'll care. |
| 21:11.11 | dodga | What? Germans getting beta keys? Lies! :P |
| 21:11.11 | Jagobah | if (!(typeof worldHasEnded == "undefined")) { |
| 21:11.11 | Jagobah | document.write("YUP."); |
| 21:11.16 | Jagobah | } else { |
| 21:11.16 | Jagobah | document.write("NOPE."); |
| 21:11.19 | Jagobah | hehehehe |
| 21:11.33 | Odlaw | lawl |
| 21:11.39 | Jagobah | <!-- if the lhc actually destroys the earth & this page isn't yet updated |
| 21:11.39 | Jagobah | please email mike@frantic.org to receive a full refund --> |
| 21:11.50 | Adirelle | Stanzilla: er... what ? |
| 21:11.51 | Odlaw | haha |
| 21:12.02 | Stanzilla | Adirelle: posted it on the forum thread |
| 21:13.07 | Adirelle | ok, gonna sleep now, I'll look at this later |
| 21:13.10 | Adirelle | night |
| 21:13.51 | erikh | holy moon hoax conspiracy batman |
| 21:21.41 | Zyndrome | Coldarra offline, yehaw |
| 21:22.30 | Megalon | :7 |
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| 21:23.40 | nevcairiel | was a server restart announcement a few mins ago |
| 21:23.43 | nevcairiel | ingame |
| 21:25.16 | Sunwind | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/Dauk/Hal_v73b.jpg can anyone identify the totem timer addon that's just left of the minimap there? |
| 21:27.09 | fewyn | 50$ says they are shutting off storm peaks AGAIN |
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| 21:28.21 | nevcairiel | maybe only icecrown this time =P |
| 21:28.32 | nevcairiel | they were talking about hotfixing some warlock shit |
| 21:28.55 | fewyn | i heard the server had been taking a shit all day |
| 21:29.17 | Zyndrome | forever* |
| 21:33.10 | Daemona | http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/389982538/280951-post+its-create-spectacular-army-of-slinkies |
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| 21:36.28 | Cheads | Sunwind no. .but looks slick =) |
| 21:49.38 | dodga | Yata had timers that used CandyBar |
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| 22:08.55 | orionshock | Pneumatus: pong! |
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| 22:16.09 | Archarodim | Sunwind: porbably classtimer |
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| 22:42.12 | Pkekyo| | STOP BEING SO GODDAMN PREGNANT! |
| 22:43.41 | Ellipsis | I'll see what I can do |
| 22:44.28 | Pkekyo| | plonks Ellipsis. |
| 22:48.48 | Pkekyo| | pirated software should have customer support... |
| 22:49.34 | sacarasc | "yeah, hi, i didn't pay for your product, can you help me with it now?" |
| 22:50.37 | Pkekyo| | sacarasc: rather, the pirates should offer support :p |
| 22:52.08 | Funkeh` | whats with the pregnant thing |
| 22:52.41 | Pkekyo| | Funkeh`: you is it. now stop! |
| 22:52.47 | Pkekyo| | also: PANTS! |
| 22:53.55 | Funkeh` | k back to voyager then |
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| 22:57.13 | Pneumatus | orionshock: guildcraft is erroring, a translator has missed a couple of closing quotes |
| 22:57.18 | Pneumatus | thought you might like to know :) |
| 22:59.56 | fewyn | quick list of things to backup before moving to a new system, GO! |
| 23:00.28 | Pkekyo| | PANTS AND PREGNANTS |
| 23:00.32 | Pkekyo| | photos |
| 23:00.45 | Pkekyo| | documents |
| 23:00.54 | Pkekyo| | various workfiles (ie adobe projects etc) |
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| 23:06.52 | Lifetapt | Hi all, I'm having a problem commiting to the svn... whenever I try to commit I get the following error: |
| 23:06.52 | Lifetapt | Error: Your file or directory 'Paranoia_EPA.toc' is probably out-of-date |
| 23:06.57 | Lifetapt | Error: The version resource does not correspond to the resource within the transaction. Either the requested version resource is out of date (needs to be updated), or the requested version resource is newer than the transaction root (restart the commit). |
| 23:07.15 | Lifetapt | It's only with my ToC file, I unchecked it and the other files commited fine. |
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| 23:07.37 | Funkeh` | svn update the toc file |
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| 23:08.15 | Lifetapt | Conflicted: C:\program files\World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns\Paranoia_EPA\Paranoia_EPA.toc |
| 23:08.15 | Lifetapt | Completed: At revision: 81625 |
| 23:08.15 | Lifetapt | Warning!: One or more files are in a conflicted state. |
| 23:08.40 | Lifetapt | =/ |
| 23:08.50 | Ellipsis | that means someone else tried to modify the same part of the file at the same time you did - check the file and you'll see the conflict markers where the changes conflicted |
| 23:08.51 | lotekk- | Can anyone help me figure out why WoWAce updater shows all my installed addons as outdated and not as "Installed"? They also all have a line struck through them, really weird.. how can I fix it so they are all in the "installed" section so I can update as per usual? |
| 23:09.14 | Pkekyo| | fewyn: also backup your \Interface and \WTF folders |
| 23:09.39 | fewyn | the entire wotlk and wow folders backed up =p |
| 23:10.18 | Lifetapt | Oh I see, someone committed a russian localization and updated the toc file... didn't even know others could commit to my project freely >.> |
| 23:10.26 | Lifetapt | But thanks for the help :P |
| 23:10.48 | Pkekyo| | fewyn: music folder |
| 23:10.55 | fewyn | done |
| 23:11.03 | Pkekyo| | your mother |
| 23:11.08 | fewyn | dead |
| 23:11.16 | Pkekyo| | should've taken a backup |
| 23:11.22 | fewyn | aye |
| 23:11.31 | Pkekyo| | meh, even I feel that was distasteful, sorry 'bout that |
| 23:11.44 | lotekk- | anyone know why the WoW Updater lists my installed addons with a strike-out line through each name and has them in "Outdated" when they aren't? |
| 23:11.56 | fewyn | you don't have load out of date addons checked |
| 23:12.04 | Arrowmaster | Lifetapt: yes thats exactly how wowace works |
| 23:12.19 | lotekk- | fewyn: where in the WOWAce Updater do I find that? |
| 23:12.35 | fewyn | you don't |
| 23:12.37 | fewyn | it's ingame |
| 23:12.41 | fewyn | on the addons screen |
| 23:12.52 | lotekk- | That affects the WoWAce Update program? |
| 23:13.00 | Arrowmaster | Lifetapt: and why it was created, and now i want to vent my anger on you because you seem to only be using wowace so you can publish your addon on WAU |
| 23:13.35 | Primer | Heh, trying to run the beta, it tells me to restart to apply a patch, fails, and segs |
| 23:13.47 | Ellipsis | gives Arrowmaster a few chill pills |
| 23:14.45 | Lifetapt | ? |
| 23:15.23 | Lifetapt | Um no, I completely forgot that my addon would even be available on WAU. |
| 23:15.23 | lotekk- | load out of date addons is checked... still doesn't change why WoWAce Updater has them all with a line strike-out through them |
| 23:16.29 | Ellipsis | you can just ignore that, last I heard WAU doesn't even know where to find the current toc number |
| 23:17.38 | Pkekyo| | can't help you anymore then fewyn, that's everything I have on my comp - can't think of anything else |
| 23:17.47 | fewyn | seeya all later, new computer work time |
| 23:17.51 | Pkekyo| | oh, write a list of apps you need on your new system so you don't forget it |
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| 23:29.02 | Funkeh` | What are people thinking of chrome then |
| 23:30.58 | smcn | haven't used firefox since it came out |
| 23:31.37 | Arrowmaster | havent touched it since it came out, sorry not giving up my firefox extensions |
| 23:31.51 | smcn | apology reluctantly accepted |
| 23:32.01 | Ellipsis | also haven't been willing to use it |
| 23:33.19 | Funkeh` | just trying it now |
| 23:33.24 | Funkeh` | fucking loving the speed |
| 23:33.29 | Funkeh` | but seems to lack control |
| 23:33.38 | Funkeh` | mainly like the firefox about:config |
| 23:33.58 | Ellipsis | yeah, I think it's severely lacking in configuration options right now, too much for me to use it |
| 23:34.05 | Ellipsis | also, no adblock of any kind would make me a sad panda |
| 23:34.36 | Funkeh` | although in fairness it's stil 0.x in version |
| 23:34.53 | Stanzilla | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/6/9679634528-upcoming-priest-changes.html |
| 23:34.57 | Stanzilla | does teh happy dance |
| 23:34.59 | Ellipsis | indeed, and if/when it develops to the point of being usable I'll give it a shot ;) |
| 23:35.47 | Stanzilla | oh and btw |
| 23:35.48 | Stanzilla | Clams now stack. It's true. |
| 23:36.11 | Ellipsis | 4srsly? |
| 23:36.13 | Ellipsis | \o/ |
| 23:36.15 | Stanzilla | :D |
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| 23:47.15 | Primer | hahaha |
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| 23:54.35 | Ackis | ~nymbia |
| 23:54.35 | purl | such a cheater. a noob |
| 23:54.41 | Ackis | ~seen nymbia |
| 23:54.43 | purl | nymbia <n=nymbia@c-67-190-49-185.hsd1.co.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 4d 20h 49m 9s ago, saying: 'kneecaps'. |
| 23:59.05 | Ellipsis | o.O |
