| 00:00.11 | Shique | none |
| 00:00.16 | Shique | When I first patched up |
| 00:00.27 | Shique | I got an error and it asked me if I wanted to switch of c2c |
| 00:00.33 | Shique | *switch off |
| 00:00.39 | Shique | I said yes |
| 00:00.52 | Shique | since then I have uninstalled and reinstalled it |
| 00:00.57 | Shique | inc. saved variables |
| 00:01.08 | ckknight | make sure it's enabled |
| 00:01.09 | ckknight | and such. |
| 00:01.16 | ckknight | my guess: you disabled it |
| 00:01.33 | Shique | I can't find it to enable it |
| 00:01.46 | ckknight | the red addons button when you choose your character |
| 00:01.54 | Shique | it's ticked on the char select screen |
| 00:02.09 | Shique | yes it's there, ticked, for the character I am using, for all characters on that server |
| 00:02.24 | Shique | there are a couple complaints about the same problem on the last 2 forum posts |
| 00:02.32 | Shique | on the c2c thread |
| 00:02.39 | ckknight | well I'm not sure at this point |
| 00:02.45 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.48 | ckknight | unless you get errors |
| 00:02.51 | Shique | hmm |
| 00:02.53 | Shique | hold on |
| 00:04.01 | Shique | Turning off a few things, including buggrabber |
| 00:04.15 | ckknight | BugGrabber is good |
| 00:04.23 | ckknight | it'll let you see bugs. |
| 00:04.31 | ckknight | well, BugGrabber + BugSack combo |
| 00:05.57 | Shique | the default blizz thing is a big show stopper though |
| 00:06.06 | Shique | If im getting a bug it will be bright as day |
| 00:06.08 | Shique | but nothing |
| 00:06.13 | Shique | ./ace3 still nada |
| 00:06.18 | ckknight | I dunno, then |
| 00:06.24 | ckknight | my guess: you're missing libs |
| 00:06.26 | ckknight | or something |
| 00:06.55 | Shique | Can you recommend a similar wowace addon? |
| 00:07.17 | Shique | Which enables me to use left / right click on unit frames to cast heals |
| 00:07.23 | Shique | Clique does it, but isn't wowace |
| 00:08.36 | ckknight | Click2Cast works for me |
| 00:08.38 | ckknight | *shrug* |
| 00:08.43 | ckknight | Clique is the only alternative I know |
| 00:08.49 | Carancu | Shique, check that there are the ace3 libs in the folder for c2c, because as ck said, it sounds like missing libs now. |
| 00:08.58 | NivFreak | I like clique |
| 00:09.00 | ckknight | I'd just bite the bullet and use that if I were you |
| 00:09.07 | NivFreak | I just wish it didn't automatically enable itself on all frames |
| 00:09.24 | Shique | I have a fresh c2c download |
| 00:09.54 | ckknight | NivFreak: well, anything that registers with ClickCastFrames |
| 00:09.58 | Shique | Im checking and there is a libs folder with a bunch of sub folders |
| 00:10.13 | ckknight | are you sure you're installing it properly? |
| 00:10.34 | Shique | It appears in the character select screen list |
| 00:10.54 | Shique | mmm |
| 00:11.07 | Shique | time to get medieval |
| 00:11.08 | ckknight | hrm |
| 00:11.12 | Shique | turning everything off |
| 00:11.19 | ckknight | knock yourself out |
| 00:11.22 | ckknight | I'm going home |
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| 00:14.03 | Shique | only fubar and c2c on now |
| 00:14.06 | Shique | nothing |
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| 00:38.31 | CIA-58 | 03sayclub * r81572 10MacroBank/ (Locale-koKR.lua Locales.xml): MacroBank: Added koKR localization |
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| 01:01.11 | orionshock | so it looks like they didn't put guards at wyrmrest... |
| 01:01.15 | orionshock | >.> |
| 01:05.00 | NeoTron | http://www.bosskillers.com/cgi-bin/bbguild/index.cgi?action=view_guide&guide_id=448 vs http://www.teamexcello.com/wow.php?p=articles&sec=0&id=315 very different strats |
| 01:09.31 | NeoTron | lol " |
| 01:09.35 | NeoTron | "We had a mirror image run up and melee Patchwerk last night. Dumb image. :)" |
| 01:10.49 | Odlaw | i hate mages |
| 01:10.56 | Odlaw | they just mirror image, and ice block |
| 01:11.02 | Odlaw | let their images do all the friggin work |
| 01:11.14 | NeoTron | is the image dps sufficiently high to matter? |
| 01:11.19 | Odlaw | well |
| 01:11.22 | NeoTron | I'd assume they would be similar to treants |
| 01:11.45 | Odlaw | enough to get at least a 1/3rd of my life wittled away |
| 01:11.57 | Odlaw | tho i only have like 3 of the pvp gear atm |
| 01:12.41 | Arrowmaster | fucking hate my isp! 350ms+ ping at 5th hop |
| 01:18.37 | orionshock | Arrowmaster: use linux :P |
| 01:19.06 | Arrowmaster | it wouldnt help..... |
| 01:19.22 | orionshock | is the 5th hop inside or outside your ISP? |
| 01:19.46 | Arrowmaster | inside |
| 01:19.55 | orionshock | that blows |
| 01:20.05 | orionshock | who's ur ISP? |
| 01:21.41 | Arrowmaster | its one of the hops that im forcably routed through because its the only way to the internet |
| 01:21.45 | Arrowmaster | timewarner |
| 01:21.55 | orionshock | get DSL :D |
| 01:22.59 | orionshock | >.> i've spotted atleast 12 new daily quests... |
| 01:23.23 | orionshock | and their seems to be no organization to any of them.. |
| 01:23.30 | smcn | i think wor has a northrend daily quest compendium |
| 01:24.09 | orionshock | Im the author of an addon that just deals with daily quests.... |
| 01:24.21 | orionshock | and the config screen is going to asplode for Wrath |
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| 01:26.53 | CIA-58 | KillingSpree: |
| 01:26.54 | CIA-58 | - Bug fix update |
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| 02:05.58 | CIA-58 | 03LordFarlander * r81574 10MiniPet/MiniPet.lua: |
| 02:05.58 | CIA-58 | MiniPet: |
| 02:05.59 | CIA-58 | - Won't store favorites that are the default value |
| 02:06.09 | CIA-58 | 03LordFarlander * r81575 10Coconuts/Coconuts.lua: |
| 02:06.11 | CIA-58 | Coconuts: |
| 02:06.13 | CIA-58 | - Won't store favorites that are the default value |
| 02:07.18 | CIA-58 | 03LordFarlander * r81576 10LibLordFarlander-2.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 02:07.20 | CIA-58 | LibLordFarlander-2.0: |
| 02:07.22 | CIA-58 | - Added pet cleaner critter enchant |
| 02:07.26 | CIA-58 | - Fix for Coconuts not working on ui refresh |
| 02:52.14 | ANTRat | ahh just downloaded/installed/patched a non-burnign crusade install in osx |
| 02:52.54 | CIA-58 | 03siz * r81577 10JewelTips/ (JewelTips.lua JewelTips.toc): |
| 02:52.54 | CIA-58 | JewelTips: |
| 02:52.55 | CIA-58 | - Add some WotLK enchants |
| 02:57.47 | ANTRat | haha copied the .app to a new dir, symlinked my windows install's data dir, and it works |
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| 03:49.25 | Primer | heh, I spent all this time getting LibRockDB's GetProfileList() into my addon, only to have it return "char" |
| 03:49.39 | Primer | instead of the separate profiles I was expecting |
| 03:52.57 | Ellipsis | so about taking the easy way out and making the user enter profile names... ;) |
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| 04:01.26 | Primer | hehe |
| 04:01.31 | Primer | I like doing things the hard way |
| 04:01.53 | Primer | I seem to recall that there's a way to dump variables, but it eludes me |
| 04:02.11 | Primer | Is it only a slash command, or is there something in lua? |
| 04:02.42 | Primer | I know the profiles are in this table somewhere |
| 04:05.15 | Ellipsis | if you're running librockconsole you'll have /print and /printc |
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| 04:20.21 | Primer | I need something programatic |
| 04:20.42 | Ellipsis | LibStub("LibRockConsole-1.0"):Print(foo) |
| 04:20.55 | Ellipsis | there's also a :PrintLiteral() depending on your needs |
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| 04:21.56 | Primer | thanks! |
| 04:22.20 | Ellipsis | that's what I'm here for! :D |
| 04:22.51 | Primer | I need to dump a table though |
| 04:22.56 | Primer | not just print a string |
| 04:23.15 | Ellipsis | so pass the table in :P |
| 04:23.22 | Primer | tries |
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| 04:24.37 | Primer | and...nothing was printed |
| 04:26.17 | Primer | no error either |
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| 04:29.30 | Ellipsis | er, with printliteral? |
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| 04:30.28 | Primer | no, priont |
| 04:30.29 | Primer | print |
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| 04:35.28 | Arrowmaster | omfg |
| 04:35.42 | Arrowmaster | 2 druids in this raid have ora 29112 |
| 04:36.13 | Ellipsis | "yep I update my addons once a year, whether they need it or not!" |
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| 04:37.23 | Primer | ok, I got my dump |
| 04:37.38 | Primer | this table is strange |
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| 04:38.45 | Primer | ["string"] = "string", ["otherstring"] = "otherstring", char = "bla...", class = "bla...", Default = "Default", realm = "bla..." |
| 04:39.02 | Primer | thing is, I need string and otherstring, and these are random |
| 04:39.18 | Primer | I guess I could just omit the knowns and get the unknowns |
| 04:39.48 | Ellipsis | it looks about right to me |
| 04:40.05 | Primer | I was hoping for an array of the custom profile names |
| 04:40.13 | Primer | something I could iterate over |
| 04:40.25 | Ellipsis | you can iterate over that one |
| 04:40.34 | Ellipsis | why would you only allow the user to choose custom profiles anyway? |
| 04:40.49 | Ellipsis | shouldn't they be able to, say, go back to the default when they go to X instance? |
| 04:42.25 | Primer | Default will be an option |
| 04:43.25 | Ellipsis | well (hack inc) you could only display the entires in that table for which the key and value are the same |
| 04:44.47 | Primer | Indeed |
| 04:45.14 | Primer | I still need to present this somehow. I was hoping to keep it within the pitbull options |
| 04:45.19 | Primer | since it remains a pitbull module |
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| 04:46.14 | Ellipsis | sure, modules can pass in options tables to display under pitbull config |
| 04:48.59 | Primer | oohhh! |
| 04:49.08 | Primer | Then it should be a slam dunk! |
| 04:49.20 | Primer | Yet another addon that I alone will use! muahaha |
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| 04:57.57 | Primer | Excellent! Progress! |
| 04:59.47 | Primer | Hrmm, I can't seem to find any other pitbull module that implements its own prefs |
| 05:00.23 | Ellipsis | most of them do, outside basic stuff like health and power bar |
| 05:00.24 | Primer | Which doesn't end up in each all of Party, Raid, Target, etc |
| 05:00.48 | Ellipsis | take, for example, banzai - it adds a global color option in addition to enable/disable per-frame |
| 05:01.04 | Primer | right, so it shows up in every frame type |
| 05:01.18 | Primer | this needs to appear only once, directly under the root of the config |
| 05:01.37 | Primer | ideally, it'd extend "profile"...but that comes directly from LibRockDB it seems |
| 05:03.43 | Ellipsis | right, what you want to do is PitBull:RegisterGlobalSetting() |
| 05:03.54 | Ellipsis | to make it appear only once |
| 05:04.23 | Primer | you are SO helpful! I love you! |
| 05:04.31 | Ellipsis | you'll have to find out the name of the subtable that has profile options, and if you manage that you might be able to inject your stuff in there |
| 05:04.50 | Ellipsis | otherwise you can just stick it in the usual spot |
| 05:05.13 | Primer | I did find "profile". It's exactly in LibRockDB-1.0.lua |
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| 05:05.32 | Primer | It seems it's a default |
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| 05:08.43 | Ellipsis | boy, life would be a lot easier if I could find a browser that didn't leak tons of RAM *and* didn't hang on javascript |
| 05:10.57 | Primer | heh |
| 05:11.05 | Primer | Firefox 3 is a lot better than 2 |
| 05:11.15 | Primer | but it still hangs on network I/O from js |
| 05:11.52 | Ellipsis | wayyyy too much memory leaking for my system |
| 05:13.06 | Groktar | stupid muru |
| 05:13.19 | Groktar | tanks dying at 4% every time is very annoying |
| 05:15.10 | Ellipsis | I agree, you should heal them moar |
| 05:17.22 | Arrowmaster | Ellipsis: FF3 doesnt have memeory issues for me and i have the same amount of ram as you do |
| 05:17.42 | Ellipsis | do you run it with 20-30 tabs for days-weeks while playing WoW? |
| 05:18.30 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:18.48 | Ellipsis | guess you have a luckier system than I do |
| 05:18.53 | Arrowmaster | well i tend to go through and close unneeded stuff before playing wow |
| 05:19.09 | Ellipsis | I close tabs, but the process still has its leaked memory attached |
| 05:19.21 | nocts | Arrowmaster: It's really arrogant, or ignorant to say it doesn't have memory issues. |
| 05:19.26 | nocts | It, on idle, still gains memory. |
| 05:19.45 | nocts | And that's still on bug traq. |
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| 05:19.54 | nocts | So, you can argue with us, or you can argue with bug traq reports. |
| 05:20.00 | nocts | Either way, FF3 is still leaking memory. |
| 05:20.24 | Arrowmaster | and IE7/Chrome use more system resources than XP |
| 05:20.27 | nocts | And? |
| 05:20.29 | omniwolf | way to throw a blanket on the situation. i have no problems leaving FF3 open all week, no *significant* mem leaks. |
| 05:20.33 | nocts | you weren't talking about IE7. |
| 05:20.46 | nocts | And "significant" is arbitrary. |
| 05:20.57 | nocts | A leak is a leak, and currently there is an idle tab leak at 5-15k a second. |
| 05:21.09 | nocts | For some it exists, for others it doesn't. RAM isn't the problem and system specs don't seem to control it either. |
| 05:21.26 | nocts | FF3 doesn't have anything "significantly" wrong with it for you? awesome. |
| 05:21.31 | nocts | But they exist for plenty others. |
| 05:21.33 | omniwolf | so, for the people that it isn't a problem with, who are you arguing with? are u just atroll or something |
| 05:21.53 | nocts | No, it's retarded for Arrow to downplay a memory issue. |
| 05:22.10 | omniwolf | he's not downlplaying it! its not happening for HIM |
| 05:23.05 | nocts | And justification as to why he isn't having issues, such as pointing to things Ellipsis could be doing wrong with her system, is a way to fully admit it's FF? |
| 05:23.08 | Arrowmaster | i did get it to use up 100% of my ram though and push EVERYTHING else to pagefile |
| 05:23.15 | nocts | That's an incredible new formula of debating. I'll have to consider that in the future. |
| 05:23.33 | Zhinjio | Heya nocts. |
| 05:23.37 | nocts | <3 Zhinjio |
| 05:23.40 | Zhinjio | bows. |
| 05:23.42 | nocts | Howya been :) |
| 05:23.52 | Zhinjio | I think my wife just got through all the downloads and patching |
| 05:23.59 | Zhinjio | now she's waiting on pending char.transfers |
| 05:24.02 | nocts | That's awesome, I really hope she enjoys it. |
| 05:24.13 | Zhinjio | which is odd, cuz those were really quick for me. |
| 05:24.18 | Zhinjio | but whatever. yeah, she's almost in *grin* |
| 05:24.19 | nocts | The transfers? |
| 05:24.22 | Zhinjio | yeah |
| 05:24.32 | Zhinjio | both of mine took less than an hour |
| 05:24.39 | nocts | With the dumb amount of beta keys going out (come on.. three to a single person?) I'm not surprised queues are lining up. |
| 05:24.43 | Zhinjio | if they just released more keys though... |
| 05:24.44 | Zhinjio | yeah |
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| 05:25.01 | Arrowmaster | i got 3.... |
| 05:25.12 | Arrowmaster | so did fisker |
| 05:25.17 | nocts | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.33 | nocts | The point was the amount being released was unnecessary, not to shake epeens. |
| 05:25.42 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 05:25.49 | nocts | Zhinjio: Let me know what server she's on. I'm sure eli and myself will poke her a few times. |
| 05:25.55 | Zhinjio | well, and it explains why char.transfers are taking awhile. |
| 05:25.58 | Zhinjio | northrend |
| 05:26.01 | nocts | kk |
| 05:26.37 | Zhinjio | my toons are Zhinjio and Mazzletov, hers are Smidge and Ceridwinn, assuming the names don't get munched. |
| 05:26.41 | Zhinjio | (I suspect they might) |
| 05:26.50 | nocts | nom nom nom |
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| 06:02.04 | Primer | Hrmm, seems I might not have thought this through |
| 06:02.46 | Primer | I was hoping to have 2 drops downs, where one starts with the first one, and then "associate" the second one with it |
| 06:03.33 | Primer | As an example, the first drop down has instance names: Kara, BT, Hyjall |
| 06:04.00 | Primer | One picks Kara, and then in the second drop down, selects "10 man" (the name of the pitbull profile I want to associate with it) |
| 06:04.22 | Primer | Then I pick BT, and the second drop down resets to "none" (since it's not set), and I pick "25 man" |
| 06:04.45 | Primer | but if I go back to Kara, the second drop down returns to what it's set to, "10 man" |
| 06:06.30 | Primer | So I guess the question is, can a drop down be changed programatically? |
| 06:07.05 | Primer | And can the value of a drop down be gotten programatically too? |
| 06:12.58 | Primer | crickets... |
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| 06:15.08 | CIA-58 | TooltipExchange: |
| 06:15.10 | CIA-58 | - Fix a nil value error that I'd never seen before tonight... this also has the effect of hiding the FuBar options from the GUI's right-click menu, although I'm fairly sure they were always hidden? |
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| 06:24.14 | Zhinjio | Primer: what are you using to make your dropdown? Dewdrop? AceX? |
| 06:24.43 | Zhinjio | something else? |
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| 07:47.41 | thul | canon is _such_ a tease, for real. |
| 07:47.49 | Primer | Zhinjio: sorry, ended up playing |
| 07:48.02 | Zhinjio | no worries. |
| 07:48.03 | Primer | It's a Pitbull module, which uses LibRock |
| 07:48.14 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 07:48.20 | Zhinjio | the dropdown should be defined by an option table |
| 07:48.23 | Zhinjio | (somewhere) |
| 07:48.28 | Primer | yes, I have that much working |
| 07:48.42 | Zhinjio | that has a "get" and "set" pair in there somewhere, or should at least. |
| 07:48.43 | Primer | I'm not even sure this will work as I expect |
| 07:49.24 | Zhinjio | the "get" will check whatever value is in its method every time it makes the dropdown. If you want the selected item in the dropdown to change, the value that is in the "get" has to change. |
| 07:49.27 | Primer | I'm just not sure how else to do this cleanly |
| 07:49.39 | Zhinjio | are you expecting the "selected" value to be unique? |
| 07:49.40 | Primer | yes, I understand how it all works |
| 07:49.49 | Primer | but I want to use it in a different fashion |
| 07:49.54 | Zhinjio | (like if one thing is selected, it should un-select all others)? |
| 07:49.57 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 07:50.04 | Primer | Imagine the first dropdown is the key, and the second the value |
| 07:50.08 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 07:50.26 | Zhinjio | note: baby crying... my availability may change in a second *grin* |
| 07:50.30 | Primer | the first drop down has a list of instanfces |
| 07:50.43 | Primer | instances |
| 07:50.53 | Primer | The second has a list of pitbull profiles |
| 07:51.13 | Primer | So in the first one, I choose "Karazhan", then in the second I select "10 man" |
| 07:51.57 | Primer | I go back to the first one and select "Hyjal" (this causes the second to revert back to "Default", since there's no key for Hyjal in the db) |
| 07:52.07 | Primer | that's the part that eludes me |
| 07:52.19 | Primer | programatically setting the second drop down based on an action in the first |
| 07:53.51 | Zhinjio | if that is going to happen, whatever value the second dropdown's "get" depends on would have to be altered in the first dropdow's "set" function |
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| 07:55.59 | Primer | again, how does one do that programatically? |
| 07:56.36 | Zhinjio | can you pastey me the options table? |
| 07:56.41 | Primer | sure |
| 07:57.31 | Zhinjio | sorry if I'm slow. cranky baby in one arm |
| 07:57.32 | Primer | http://sh.nu/w/ProfileSwitcher.lua |
| 07:57.42 | Primer | heh, I have 2 |
| 07:57.52 | Primer | but they don't cry any more...much |
| 07:57.54 | Primer | 5 and 9 |
| 07:58.33 | Primer | line 82 |
| 07:58.37 | Primer | to 120 |
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| 08:00.03 | Zhinjio | sec, gonna try and put her dotwn |
| 08:00.58 | Zhinjio | maybe I'll get a couple mninutes anyway |
| 08:01.11 | Zhinjio | um |
| 08:01.24 | Zhinjio | why does the instanceName part of the options table have two "choices" bits? |
| 08:01.41 | Primer | I'm just testing |
| 08:01.46 | Zhinjio | I think only the first one is desired, no? |
| 08:01.47 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 08:01.54 | Primer | the second one will have the available profiles |
| 08:01.59 | Primer | I just haven't coded that yet |
| 08:02.07 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 08:02.15 | Primer | I want to see if what I want to do is even possible before proceeding |
| 08:02.22 | Zhinjio | yes, it certainly is |
| 08:02.35 | Primer | Or if this is even the most ideal way |
| 08:02.47 | Primer | because a drop down is supposed to represent a value |
| 08:02.52 | Zhinjio | hmm, lemme ponder that a second before answering.. |
| 08:03.31 | Zhinjio | are these two dropdowns going to allow you to "set" a profile if there isn't already one? |
| 08:03.44 | Zhinjio | or change it if there is? |
| 08:03.46 | Zhinjio | is that the intent? |
| 08:03.56 | Primer | The profiles will come from pitbull |
| 08:04.06 | Zhinjio | yup |
| 08:04.15 | Primer | In my pitbull, I've created 4 extra profiles |
| 08:04.16 | Zhinjio | but which one is associated withe the instance is the key, right? |
| 08:04.23 | Primer | right |
| 08:04.31 | Zhinjio | these dropdown will let you set that association |
| 08:04.37 | Zhinjio | dropdowns* |
| 08:04.37 | Primer | that's the plan |
| 08:04.40 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 08:04.43 | Zhinjio | so yes, no problem. |
| 08:04.48 | Zhinjio | one sec... |
| 08:05.32 | Lyn | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/9679892128-suggestion-remove-europe-from-beta.html lol |
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| 08:09.22 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 08:09.39 | Zhinjio | so unless I'm completely offbase (which is entirely possible) |
| 08:10.14 | Primer | hehe |
| 08:10.17 | Zhinjio | I think the first dropdown should have its "get" change the value of some global, call it whatever. maybe addon.selectedKey or something |
| 08:10.23 | Zhinjio | then |
| 08:10.41 | Zhinjio | the "get" of the seocnd will be something like return ProfileSwitcher.db.profile.instances[key] |
| 08:10.45 | Zhinjio | woops |
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| 08:10.55 | Zhinjio | return ProfileSwitcher.db.profile.instances[addon.selectedKey] |
| 08:11.06 | Zhinjio | you'll need to check for existence |
| 08:11.13 | Zhinjio | so it'll probably be a couple lines |
| 08:11.29 | Primer | except that get doesn't get called when the first drop down is changed, presumably |
| 08:11.33 | Primer | there's no event |
| 08:11.40 | Primer | to cause it to change |
| 08:11.45 | Zhinjio | oh. |
| 08:11.48 | Zhinjio | I see |
| 08:11.49 | Primer | AFAIK |
| 08:11.52 | Zhinjio | this is all in the same dropdwon |
| 08:11.53 | Zhinjio | hahaha |
| 08:11.55 | Zhinjio | I get it now |
| 08:11.58 | Primer | I'm speculating |
| 08:11.59 | Zhinjio | you're right. |
| 08:12.12 | Zhinjio | however, |
| 08:12.31 | Zhinjio | if you mouse away from the dropdown and bring it back up, the second option in the dropdown *should* have the right value |
| 08:13.12 | Zhinjio | diaper change time. back soon |
| 08:13.16 | Primer | ok |
| 08:13.17 | Zyndrome | http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ |
| 08:13.23 | Primer | I'll have to test tomorrow |
| 08:13.31 | Primer | I should have gone to bed long ago :) |
| 08:13.33 | Primer | Zhinjio: thanks |
| 08:13.40 | Primer | I'll let you know what I come up with |
| 08:15.00 | Wraithan | Zyndrome: you check out the source for that page? |
| 08:15.15 | Wraithan | I was rather suprised at the lenght, just to say Nope. |
| 08:15.50 | Zyndrome | impressive code |
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| 08:21.36 | Wraithan | Time to make my first LDB enabled addon |
| 08:22.23 | Wraithan | Actually, first, soda run, then I need to start learning how to do this heh |
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| 08:30.24 | Wraithan | Is it relatively easy to write something that is maitainable and works on live and wotlk? |
| 08:30.35 | clad|sleep | depends |
| 08:30.40 | clad|sleep | it can be easy, or it can be a pita |
| 08:31.56 | Wraithan | Making an addon to track how many drops of a watched item per hour, how many you have, and a feature once that is complete is to set goals and have a ETR until goal met |
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| 08:32.12 | cladhaire | the API changes are minimal |
| 08:32.50 | Wraithan | The LDB stuff looks pretty easy to implement |
| 08:33.14 | Wraithan | my side of it at least |
| 08:33.22 | Wraithan | integrate would be a better word |
| 08:33.24 | Groktar | nibbles on Wraithan's soul |
| 08:33.32 | Wraithan | Groktar: tasty? |
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| 08:42.15 | Groktar | somewhat |
| 08:42.18 | Groktar | adds salt |
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| 09:08.00 | [SW]Dodge | lua> true ? "a" : "b" |
| 09:08.18 | lua_bot | [SW]Dodge: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'true' |
| 09:08.35 | Adirelle|work | lua> true and "a" or "b" |
| 09:08.36 | lua_bot | Adirelle|work: a |
| 09:08.39 | Adirelle|work | lua> false and "a" or "b" |
| 09:08.40 | lua_bot | Adirelle|work: b |
| 09:08.52 | Adirelle|work | x ? y : z doesn't exixt in lua |
| 09:08.57 | Adirelle|work | s/xt/sT/ |
| 09:09.06 | [SW]Dodge | ah ok :D |
| 09:09.30 | nevcairiel | a and b or c is not the same, though |
| 09:09.33 | Adirelle|work | there is a failure case though in "x and y or z" construct |
| 09:09.38 | [SW]Dodge | mh |
| 09:09.41 | Adirelle|work | if y evaluates to false |
| 09:09.53 | Adirelle|work | lua> true and nil or "b" |
| 09:09.54 | lua_bot | Adirelle|work: b |
| 09:09.58 | [SW]Dodge | lua> true and nil or "b" |
| 09:09.58 | Adirelle|work | lua> true and false or "b" |
| 09:09.59 | lua_bot | Adirelle|work: b |
| 09:09.59 | lua_bot | [SW]Dodge: b |
| 09:10.10 | [SW]Dodge | cant use that |
| 09:10.26 | [SW]Dodge | (db.fontOutline == "none" ? nil : db.fontOutline) <- thats what i have |
| 09:10.30 | nevcairiel | you can always change that around |
| 09:10.49 | nevcairiel | db.fontOutline ~= "none" and db,fontOutline or nil |
| 09:11.30 | [SW]Dodge | hm right that should work :D thx nevcairiel :D |
| 09:11.33 | Adirelle|work | in general case : "x ? y : z" => (x and y) or (not x and z) |
| 09:12.33 | Adirelle|work | though when it becomes complicated an "if-then-else" is way more readable |
| 09:12.48 | Wraithan | x ? y : z is the devils work. |
| 09:13.07 | Wraithan | hate the ternary operator |
| 09:14.15 | Adirelle|work | I prefer the lua/perl/python and and or semantics |
| 09:14.54 | nevcairiel | i would love real ternary in lua =P |
| 09:15.43 | Wraithan | my first language was C++, I tend towards if( blah || blah2) { /* yay for blahing! */} |
| 09:15.43 | [SW]Dodge | ternary is just a simplified if then else end, isnt it?^^ |
| 09:16.12 | Adirelle|work | ternary is an expression, if-then-else is a flow control construct |
| 09:16.16 | [SW]Dodge | "x ? y : z" => "if x then y else z end" :D |
| 09:16.20 | Wraithan | [SW]Dodge: no it is the devils work, nested ternary expressions make me want to punch a baby |
| 09:16.46 | nevcairiel | [SW]Dodge: well except that you can use in one statement |
| 09:17.07 | [SW]Dodge | nevcairiel: yea, thats why i like it :P |
| 09:17.17 | Zyndrome | "If you have forgotten your password, please contact customer support for assistance." |
| 09:17.22 | Wraithan | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Test-of-Truth.aspx |
| 09:17.37 | Zyndrome | yeah, I clearly see the customer support section @ war-europe.com |
| 09:17.43 | Zyndrome | >_> |
| 09:18.19 | Lyn | haha |
| 09:18.42 | Adirelle|work | python has a ternary-like expression since 2.5 : whenTrue if condition else whenFalse |
| 09:20.00 | Adirelle|work | what is always tricky is how non-booleans evalute depending on language |
| 09:20.44 | CIA-58 | 03dodge * r81581 10CoolDownButtons/ (6 files in 4 dirs): CoolDownButtons: added Font Outline option (defaults to no outline) |
| 09:21.51 | Zyndrome | GOA fails so hard |
| 09:22.20 | Fisker- | Anyone know a good tooltip addon? |
| 09:22.23 | Zyndrome | I entered a bunch of joke details, and it didnt even check up if that account existed.. |
| 09:22.28 | Zyndrome | "lol done :D" |
| 09:23.47 | Wraithan | Fisker-: I am using CowTip... it is alright though I think I am going to remove it |
| 09:24.34 | Adirelle|work | Wraithan: have you read the article about Codethulu ? |
| 09:25.44 | Wraithan | years ago |
| 09:32.12 | Wraithan | It seems all the cool kids are using git now a days, pretty easy to setup ? |
| 09:33.31 | Pucmel | git aka we dont have windows/anyotheros client and we dont care ? |
| 09:33.40 | Pucmel | but cool factor is indeed high |
| 09:34.43 | Wraithan | Was just going to default to svn, since that is what I know and am setup to use heh |
| 09:35.40 | |Kev| | git's trivial to set up, including on Windows, yes |
| 09:36.02 | nevcairiel | git on windows fails |
| 09:36.08 | |Kev| | wfm |
| 09:36.32 | nevcairiel | if you only want to use it to fetch the latest updates |
| 09:36.33 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 09:36.53 | Pucmel | git on cygwin .. easy to setup indeed |
| 09:37.01 | |Kev| | I've not had trouble with committing, or pushing to remote servers, either |
| 09:37.26 | nevcairiel | thats works too |
| 09:37.39 | nevcairiel | but filter-branch failed so many times for me, i always did those on a linux box now |
| 09:37.57 | cladhaire | Can you equip multiple "Vindicator's Band of ..." |
| 09:38.14 | cladhaire | or do you need to get Veteran's for the second one |
| 09:39.00 | |Kev| | nevcairiel: what's a use case for filter-branch? |
| 09:39.08 | |Kev| | it's not something I've had a need to use |
| 09:39.19 | nevcairiel | fixing history |
| 09:40.05 | nevcairiel | after importing my old svn repos into git, i had to fix alot of history =P |
| 09:40.23 | |Kev| | I'm not sure what 'fixing history' means in this case :) |
| 09:40.58 | nevcairiel | fixing author names, fixing merges, rewriting commit msgs |
| 09:41.03 | |Kev| | ah, ok |
| 09:41.27 | |Kev| | not something you need to do very often, then (I'd hope) |
| 09:41.43 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 09:41.48 | nevcairiel | but it failed! :) |
| 09:42.39 | Adirelle|work | cladhaire: you mean different kind of "Vindicator's Band of ..." ? |
| 09:42.46 | cladhaire | aye |
| 09:42.56 | cladhaire | I think I'd prefer Salvation + Dominance |
| 09:43.06 | cladhaire | rather than fall back to S3/S2 Salvation |
| 09:43.16 | Adirelle|work | I guess you'll have to figure yourself |
| 09:43.50 | cladhaire | umm.. thanks? |
| 09:43.57 | Adirelle|work | you're welcome xD |
| 09:44.30 | Adirelle|work | chances are uniqueness is based on item ids |
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| 09:49.03 | cladhaire | in which case they could be mixed in the same season |
| 09:54.13 | Groktar | i hate muru |
| 09:54.14 | Groktar | so much |
| 09:55.06 | Groktar | blames cladhaire for muru's existence |
| 09:55.16 | cladhaire | its clearly my fault! |
| 09:55.25 | Groktar | devours cladhaire's soul |
| 09:55.34 | Groktar | it just seems to bring out the worst in people |
| 09:55.47 | Groktar | especially since people like to fail at 3% |
| 09:56.25 | Groktar | like, we've killed entropius 4 times now |
| 09:56.42 | Groktar | but it's still like pulling teeth |
| 09:56.48 | Wraithan | We failed on Leo the other day at 3%... if people weren't stupid and would stop dpsing when they were told to we would have had enough dps to down him |
| 09:57.08 | Groktar | well, muru is like |
| 09:57.26 | Groktar | you fight waves for the first several minutes of the fight |
| 09:57.31 | Groktar | we do 4 waves flawlessly |
| 09:58.13 | Groktar | and we usually have to hold dps on muru at 4% for a few seconds so we can down him at the end of the wave, because once he dies you get no more waves and you have to kill entropius |
| 09:58.31 | Groktar | people like to fail at the end of that last wave |
| 09:58.34 | Groktar | it's irritating |
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| 10:00.10 | Wraithan | Our is just stupid, leo is an easy fight if everyone does what they are told, we have more than enough dps to finish it before enrage, if people would stop dps at transition so that they don't die |
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| 10:01.22 | Wraithan | losing 3-4 dps in the first half of the fight, then slowly losing others due to unfortionate whirlwinds or to lack of heals because a healer or two failed to destroy their demon |
| 10:01.30 | Groktar | heh |
| 10:01.46 | Groktar | we usually wiped from unlucky stacks on the demon tack |
| 10:01.47 | Groktar | *tank |
| 10:01.51 | Wraithan | a couple deaths are expected because we have people who are undergeared |
| 10:02.07 | Wraithan | our demon tank has ungodly amounts of resist for the fight |
| 10:02.15 | Groktar | you can still get owned |
| 10:02.38 | Wraithan | yeah, but our problem is the dps, not the RNG |
| 10:02.39 | Groktar | gets up to six stacks and stack 7 comes on the next stack |
| 10:02.40 | Groktar | pwnt |
| 10:03.02 | Groktar | i don't see how you can not make the enrage timer now |
| 10:03.05 | Groktar | with za/badge gear |
| 10:03.24 | Wraithan | lose 5-8 dps through the first half of the fight |
| 10:04.10 | Groktar | ya, no excuse for that |
| 10:04.10 | Wraithan | Our dps is fine, really it would be easy, if people would not dps during agro wipes |
| 10:04.54 | Wraithan | we go through the first 2 minutes without a death and we were already 30 seconds ahead of enrage |
| 10:05.08 | Wraithan | would have widened the gap even more if 3 mages didn't go down |
| 10:05.25 | Groktar | how does a mage die? |
| 10:05.28 | Groktar | seriously |
| 10:05.33 | Groktar | 100dkp minus |
| 10:05.39 | Wraithan | tosses a firebal right after the agrowipe |
| 10:05.47 | Wraithan | boom dead mage |
| 10:05.50 | Groktar | so block |
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| 10:06.02 | Wraithan | *shrug* probably on CD because he did it on the last agro wipe. |
| 10:06.03 | cncfanatics | g'morning peeps |
| 10:06.09 | Wraithan | mornin cnc |
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| 10:06.40 | Wraithan | Groktar: I am with you, no one should be dying to that |
| 10:07.44 | Groktar | our other problem was people thinking they had less time than they did past 15% |
| 10:07.45 | Wraithan | I can understand unfortionate whirlwind targets, getting hit 3 times in a row because he choses targets on either side of you a couple times is a good reason to be dead |
| 10:07.46 | Groktar | and dpsing wildly |
| 10:07.57 | Wraithan | we get that too |
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| 10:08.10 | Wraithan | like people ignorning whirlwind after 15% |
| 10:08.11 | Groktar | meh, it's really not that hard to heal through whirlwind |
| 10:08.28 | Wraithan | I can usually pot between getting hit |
| 10:08.55 | cncfanatics | sigh |
| 10:09.08 | cncfanatics | old fake beta invite mails are old |
| 10:09.11 | Wraithan | Pots, HS, and those healing crystals from BEM are all ready when I go to do him |
| 10:09.16 | Wraithan | haha |
| 10:09.24 | Wraithan | cncfanatics: you get wow up and running on your arch install? |
| 10:09.34 | cncfanatics | Wraithan: I got my old copy on my backup server |
| 10:09.39 | cncfanatics | about to copy it over from the network |
| 10:10.33 | Wraithan | did you pacman wine, or are you just going to get that from your backup server too? |
| 10:10.49 | Wraithan | to be honest I have never used wine on arch heh |
| 10:11.02 | cncfanatics | I pacman'd the 32bit version of it |
| 10:11.08 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 10:11.09 | cncfanatics | as wine 64 bit is useless :p |
| 10:11.12 | nevcairiel | i see durations on all buffs now |
| 10:11.17 | cncfanatics | yes indeed |
| 10:11.18 | cncfanatics | they changed that |
| 10:11.27 | Groktar | Wraithan, do you call stop dps during whirlwind? |
| 10:11.40 | Groktar | we would usually call stop dps halfway through |
| 10:11.53 | cncfanatics | brb, gonna connect my wired to have faster network speed |
| 10:12.01 | Groktar | at least, i think that's what we did. i haven't done ssc in like 8 months |
| 10:12.15 | Wraithan | we were calling it half way through, but we ended up calling no dps at all during ww |
| 10:12.15 | cncfanatics | ssc, stop dps ? :o |
| 10:12.21 | orionshock | Groktar: u kinda have to stop dps on WW |
| 10:12.25 | Wraithan | and it worked ebtter for keeping people alive |
| 10:12.31 | cncfanatics | what boss u guys talking about ? :p |
| 10:12.33 | Wraithan | orionshock: nah, you are fine for the first half o it or so |
| 10:12.37 | Wraithan | cncfanatics: Leo |
| 10:12.50 | cncfanatics | aah, we don't dps during whirlwind here |
| 10:13.02 | Wraithan | orionshock: if people aren't stupid and don't dot the shit out of him |
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| 10:13.46 | Wraithan | we have dumb ranged dpsers, I think they are wathcing tv or movies or something and just spamming their attack key |
| 10:14.07 | Wraithan | which is why they dps through agrowipe |
| 10:14.49 | Wraithan | Groktar: For you http://cad-comic.com/sillies.php?d=20080909 |
| 10:14.49 | cncfanatics | Wraithan: gkick ? :p |
| 10:15.01 | Wraithan | cncfanatics: not an officer... or I would be going off on them |
| 10:15.25 | cncfanatics | fortunatly I am in my guild heh |
| 10:15.51 | Wraithan | not sure that I would gkick, but I would certainly hit them upside the head with something large |
| 10:16.09 | Groktar | haha |
| 10:16.13 | Groktar | i approve of that link |
| 10:16.22 | Wraithan | Thought ya woudl |
| 10:16.24 | Wraithan | would] |
| 10:16.29 | Wraithan | damn my typing sucks tonight |
| 10:16.33 | cncfanatics | Wraithan: semi-afk people are useless, I'd hit them on the head and if they didn't listen the first time they'd get a kick :p |
| 10:17.04 | Wraithan | They are the reason we fail on Hydross too |
| 10:17.12 | Wraithan | AoEers not waiting for the call to AoE |
| 10:17.51 | Groktar | our problem on hydross was trying the single target strat |
| 10:18.24 | Wraithan | we have mages and ele shaman... aoe is better for us |
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| 10:18.54 | cncfanatics | never had any issues on hydross |
| 10:18.59 | cncfanatics | he died on our second attempt eveer |
| 10:19.08 | Wraithan | We failed 4 times in the same night |
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| 10:19.22 | Wraithan | Thursday we go back if we have the healers, which we should |
| 10:19.50 | Wraithan | we make extensive use of stoneclaw totems for that fight though... helped a ton once we started oding that |
| 10:19.59 | Wraithan | we have 5-8 shaman on each raid... |
| 10:20.19 | Wraithan | 2 enh, 2+ ele, 1+ resto |
| 10:20.33 | cncfanatics | we have 3 shammy's in the guild |
| 10:20.49 | Wraithan | All but one of them are mains lo |
| 10:21.35 | Wraithan | The alt is a resto shaman so we tend to bring him when one or two healers take a night off |
| 10:22.31 | cncfanatics | bleh, atm we're having gear issues |
| 10:22.38 | cncfanatics | we started raiding the 1st of sept |
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| 10:22.51 | cncfanatics | so only a few of us have enough gear for kael |
| 10:22.57 | cncfanatics | so if those people take a night off we're screwed |
| 10:23.01 | dafire | hello friends ;) |
| 10:23.03 | Wraithan | We have the gear, we lack the attention span or discipline |
| 10:24.32 | Wraithan | Though they are cracking down quite a bit. calling people out if they don't maintain simple things like stat food or pots |
| 10:25.16 | cncfanatics | people don't get a raid invite if they don't have food buffs & flasks/elixirs + pots here :p |
| 10:25.49 | Wraithan | I have been farming the melee food stuff, so folks have no excuse |
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| 10:26.27 | cncfanatics | well, tbh, all food is easely farmable |
| 10:26.30 | cncfanatics | except of healer/tank food |
| 10:26.36 | cncfanatics | and those are in gbank for them to buy so :p |
| 10:26.52 | Wraithan | kinda blew up at a couple people who were pulling the food stuff out of the 'raid supplies' tab then I see them not using it on raids and saying they were out |
| 10:28.04 | Wraithan | I farmed 25 stacks of cleftfoot meat and made the str food, and like 15 stacks of the talbuk hit rating food, and like 10 stacks of it never made it to raids, wasted by people for their 5mans or whatever |
| 10:28.15 | cncfanatics | nah, they AH'd it rly |
| 10:28.35 | Wraithan | well whatever they did, I wanted to stab them in the face for |
| 10:28.49 | Wraithan | not that it was hard to farm, but that wasn't its purpose |
| 10:29.50 | cncfanatics | bah, I'm hating my 10mbit network connection |
| 10:29.53 | cncfanatics | giev 100mbit |
| 10:30.20 | jy__ | i quit hl raiding because of all this "performance" obligation |
| 10:30.52 | jy__ | when crushing through content was more important than enjoying it |
| 10:31.00 | cncfanatics | jy__: no it isn't |
| 10:31.10 | cncfanatics | but not being up to the top for a raid is wasting other people's time, and thats not acceptable |
| 10:32.24 | jy__ | the flaw is |
| 10:32.35 | jy__ | that most hl raider do not consider wow as a game anymore |
| 10:32.46 | jy__ | but more as a sport |
| 10:33.14 | jy__ | the difference between game and sport being competition |
| 10:33.25 | jy__ | i like games |
| 10:33.30 | jy__ | i don't like sports |
| 10:33.31 | Pucmel | sport ? more like worl |
| 10:33.33 | Pucmel | work |
| 10:33.40 | dafire | that's not a flaw.. you just have to join a guild that fits to you |
| 10:33.45 | cncfanatics | lol, no not like work |
| 10:33.45 | jy__ | yes |
| 10:33.52 | cncfanatics | work is (usualy) something you do because you have to |
| 10:34.02 | cncfanatics | if anyone is playing WoW "because he has to" he needs to go see a doctor |
| 10:34.05 | jy__ | my guild was supposed to be "mature raiding" "doing their best but not hardcore either" |
| 10:34.10 | jy__ | and afeter i quit |
| 10:34.13 | dafire | some guilds are getting money for what they do .. so it's work for them .9 |
| 10:34.27 | cncfanatics | dafire: I doubt its enough to pay all their montly bills |
| 10:34.28 | jy__ | they turned to give fees to people doing errors |
| 10:34.43 | cncfanatics | :o, define errors |
| 10:34.55 | jy__ | like dps when stoping dps |
| 10:34.56 | cncfanatics | we do give fees to people not turning up for raids without warning, but thats more a symbolic thing |
| 10:34.57 | jy__ | etc |
| 10:35.05 | cncfanatics | lol, thats stupid |
| 10:35.14 | jy__ | that is against the spirit of a game |
| 10:35.17 | jy__ | have to eat |
| 10:35.21 | jy__ | bye |
| 10:35.34 | jy__ | they were nice ppl |
| 10:35.37 | dafire | even on a family guild raid you should bring buff food and some weapon oil... |
| 10:35.44 | jy__ | but they wanted too much performance |
| 10:36.10 | dafire | cncfanatics, the rest of the bills is paid by welfare ;9 |
| 10:36.13 | cncfanatics | making people pay fees when making a mistake won't make them perform better ... |
| 10:36.20 | cncfanatics | it'll just make them pissed off |
| 10:36.21 | Wraithan | Not having top gear isn't something that I care about, gear will come if they keep coming to raids, but food, potions, and other consumable a easily had |
| 10:36.46 | Wraithan | that should all be in use during any boss fight and preferably during trash too |
| 10:36.58 | cncfanatics | fully agree :) |
| 10:37.14 | Arrowmaster | fully disagree |
| 10:37.29 | dafire | what about the one pot per fight.. is it still active in beta ? |
| 10:37.31 | Arrowmaster | not using my flasks and food buffs for farm content or fucking trash |
| 10:37.54 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: thats wasting time :p |
| 10:38.01 | cncfanatics | dafire: think so |
| 10:38.08 | Wraithan | um food buffs are cheap as hell, or 10 mins farming... flasks should be active the whole time you are raiding |
| 10:38.18 | Wraithan | 2 flasks should cover a whole raid night |
| 10:38.31 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: my druid is coming along: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=ravencrest&n=draoi |
| 10:38.40 | cladhaire | now I can actually start looking for a real arena team :P |
| 10:38.44 | cncfanatics | :o cladhaire converted to druidism as well |
| 10:38.45 | Wraithan | even jsut going to buy the IS food from thrallmar is acceptible for trash |
| 10:38.51 | cladhaire | cncfanatics: I've been a druid for 2.5 years |
| 10:38.56 | cncfanatics | ah hehe |
| 10:38.59 | cladhaire | if not longer :P |
| 10:39.06 | cncfanatics | never knew |
| 10:39.19 | cladhaire | I have two level 70 druids |
| 10:39.22 | Arrowmaster | what food from thrallmar? |
| 10:39.29 | cladhaire | a level 70 priest, a level 70 hunter and a level 60 rogue |
| 10:39.34 | Wraithan | rep food, gives Improved Stamina, 15 sta |
| 10:39.38 | dafire | my druid got from 30 to 40 yesterday thanks to leveling with a recruited friend ;) |
| 10:39.51 | Arrowmaster | fuck that shit not wasting bag space on it |
| 10:39.51 | Wraithan | no reason you can't ahve that going while on tash |
| 10:40.08 | cladhaire | I really need a healing cloak |
| 10:40.16 | Wraithan | lol, Arrowmaster you are one I would consider useless on raids, go big or get the fuck out |
| 10:40.21 | Carancu | heh, I'm dying too much on the trash to bother wasting time to rebuff myself with foodstuff, apart from sunwell. |
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| 10:40.30 | Arrowmaster | Wraithan: i do go big, on bosses |
| 10:40.45 | Wraithan | do you die a lot, Arrowmaster? |
| 10:40.50 | cncfanatics | s/bosses/progress bosses/ |
| 10:40.52 | Arrowmaster | im a warlock |
| 10:40.56 | Wraithan | ok |
| 10:40.56 | Arrowmaster | so yes |
| 10:41.00 | cncfanatics | yes ? :o |
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| 10:41.03 | Carancu | but then, I'm messing around with my healers, like tanking without going bear and such. |
| 10:41.15 | dafire | my warlock gets feign death soon ;) |
| 10:41.26 | dafire | looking forward to it |
| 10:41.27 | cncfanatics | dafire: nah, aggro comes bck when you cancel it |
| 10:41.37 | cncfanatics | its not an aggro wipe, just an oh shit button :p |
| 10:41.44 | Fisker- | i will end you cladhaire |
| 10:41.47 | Wraithan | wind shock is going to be the shit. |
| 10:41.48 | dafire | but tank has time to get some aggro in that time |
| 10:41.49 | Arrowmaster | i almost want to quit the game over that retarded ass fucking racial |
| 10:41.52 | cladhaire | k k |
| 10:42.04 | cncfanatics | why Arrowmaster ? :p |
| 10:42.05 | cladhaire | can you hurry up tho? I have other things to do |
| 10:42.07 | Wraithan | Finally I am going to have something to do when I get too high on agro |
| 10:42.21 | Arrowmaster | because its fucking stupid |
| 10:42.27 | dafire | i guess the human feign death will have high resist chance |
| 10:42.28 | cncfanatics | why ? |
| 10:42.30 | Wraithan | Arrowmaster: agreed on that |
| 10:42.35 | cncfanatics | dafire: its not a feign death |
| 10:42.43 | cncfanatics | your aggro comes back when you cancel it |
| 10:42.48 | dafire | i know |
| 10:43.13 | dafire | but since you have a built in threat meter you know when you can cancel it |
| 10:43.29 | cncfanatics | whats the builtin threat meter worth btw ? |
| 10:43.30 | Arrowmaster | not really |
| 10:43.31 | cncfanatics | is it any good ? |
| 10:43.42 | Arrowmaster | the threat meter wont tell you anything |
| 10:43.44 | dafire | it shows the actual threat in numbers |
| 10:43.49 | Arrowmaster | since your current threat is 0 |
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| 10:44.01 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: you can memorise your threat before using it though |
| 10:44.15 | cncfanatics | and use it as soon as your tank is 30% or less under you |
| 10:44.26 | dafire | why 30% |
| 10:44.38 | Arrowmaster | or your tank can use it then laugh his ass off when you die! |
| 10:44.53 | Groktar | "whoops, wrong button" |
| 10:44.58 | dafire | when you loose the aggro and cancel the buff you won't get aggro back if you don't do anything that does aggro |
| 10:45.05 | Groktar | i thought the ingame threat meter only gave you a percentage? |
| 10:45.10 | cncfanatics | dafire: I'm pretty sure you will |
| 10:45.15 | Arrowmaster | "its a wipe" tank FDs |
| 10:45.17 | Groktar | and it only fires when you're within 70% of the tank |
| 10:45.27 | dafire | Groktar, wrong |
| 10:45.46 | Groktar | is there a link to the api? |
| 10:46.08 | dafire | the blizzard display only shows 3 states of aggro ... but by the api you can get all numbers.. even the real threat number |
| 10:46.23 | CIA-58 | 03whyv * r81582 10SpellReminder/ (SpellReminder.toc locale/zhTW.lua): |
| 10:46.23 | CIA-58 | SpellReminder: |
| 10:46.24 | CIA-58 | - add zhTW locale |
| 10:46.31 | Groktar | o |
| 10:46.37 | dafire | i posted it somewhere in the wowace forum |
| 10:46.38 | CIA-58 | 03adirelle * r81583 10SimpleSelfRebuff/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 10:46.39 | cncfanatics | so, basicly, omen will just be a frontend to the blizz api funcs now ? |
| 10:46.40 | CIA-58 | SimpleSelfRebuff: |
| 10:46.42 | CIA-58 | - added some information and a "configure" button in Blizzard addon option panel, |
| 10:46.44 | CIA-58 | - added some instruction to use SimpleSelfRebuff from a macro, |
| 10:46.46 | CIA-58 | - fixed button attribute cleaning. |
| 10:46.58 | Fisker- | well where are you cladhaire ? |
| 10:46.58 | Groktar | a, status, threatPct1, threatPct2, b = UnitDetailedThreatSituation(relativeToUnit, unit) |
| 10:47.05 | dafire | yes.. but you don't even need omen.. i just build it into my oUF layout .9 |
| 10:47.13 | Wraithan | cncfanatics: or whatever threat meters are still around after the fallout |
| 10:47.13 | Groktar | so it provides a list? |
| 10:47.19 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah also reason why the human FD is fucking stupid and should never make it to live, training mobs onto other people |
| 10:47.30 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: how is that any different from hunters ? |
| 10:47.39 | Groktar | kind of ml-ish |
| 10:47.42 | dafire | you can't train mobs on other people |
| 10:47.49 | Arrowmaster | yes you can |
| 10:48.00 | cncfanatics | if the mob adds people to their aggro list with an aoe you can dafire |
| 10:48.07 | dafire | only if they heal you or attack the mob |
| 10:48.10 | Arrowmaster | wrong |
| 10:48.20 | cncfanatics | dafire: see what I just said :p |
| 10:48.29 | Arrowmaster | if a mob is in combat with somebody else and you get close enough to it you will go in combat with it |
| 10:48.37 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: not entirely true |
| 10:48.41 | cncfanatics | only certain mobs do that |
| 10:48.51 | Groktar | or get a shaman to drop earthbind |
| 10:48.57 | Arrowmaster | a lot do, but you have to get really close like standing on it |
| 10:49.14 | Groktar | i would duel my shaman friend outside bt |
| 10:49.28 | Groktar | then get another friend to aggro doomwalker on his flying mount |
| 10:49.30 | Groktar | kekeke |
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| 10:50.40 | cncfanatics | foodtime |
| 10:50.44 | dafire | but as i said i guess the human fd get's a high failure rate .9 |
| 10:51.06 | cnc|food | dafire: prolly the same as FD without talents |
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| 10:51.49 | dafire | and they had to give the humans something for the perception nerf |
| 10:51.53 | Arrowmaster | all hit effects everything though |
| 10:52.12 | dafire | i'm not sure all hit effects racials .9 |
| 10:52.12 | Arrowmaster | no they didnt |
| 10:52.26 | dafire | btw i love their feedback on metamorphosis |
| 10:52.35 | Arrowmaster | that it sucks? |
| 10:52.45 | dafire | their plan how to change it |
| 10:52.53 | Arrowmaster | link? |
| 10:53.03 | dafire | keep demon, keep spells, +damage buff |
| 10:53.15 | Arrowmaster | so it does nothing? |
| 10:53.56 | Arrowmaster | the only good thing i think about it was that it had other abilitys that looked like a warlock being attacked by melee might actually be able to use |
| 10:54.26 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: you keep your spell, and gain demon spells aswell |
| 10:54.29 | dafire | it gives you +damage buff, adds damage mitigation so you can tank a bit and some demon fun spells i think.. looking for the link |
| 10:54.38 | Maldivia | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679890957&sid=2000&pageNo=7#132 |
| 10:54.58 | dafire | ah there it is :9 |
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| 10:55.57 | Arrowmaster | i wish they would have made it an ability that removed your pet and let you stay as a demon until canceled, and would let warlocks actually do something other than dps, like i dont know tank something other than a ranged mob by spaming searing pain |
| 10:56.45 | dafire | that would have the problems that all your other points in the tree are wasted because you need a pet for it |
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| 10:56.56 | Groktar | you drop soulwells, duh |
| 10:57.06 | Carancu | I want pet back out beside their owner, with a few tweaks to the pets pathing ofc. |
| 10:57.24 | Carancu | I've missed that on my hunter since they removed them. |
| 10:57.55 | dafire | it was a mess with flying mounts |
| 10:58.30 | Carancu | yes, I know, I do have a hunter :P, but removing it from landbound mounts was no fun. |
| 10:59.22 | dafire | we'll see if taking metamorphosis will be better then taking ruin .9 |
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| 11:04.13 | Wraithan | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=58875 |
| 11:04.43 | Wraithan | so I get 2 movement impairing effect removers, I am totally stoked |
| 11:05.10 | Adirelle|work | it is still uncategorized |
| 11:08.56 | orionshock | Maldivia: ping |
| 11:09.43 | orionshock | Maldivia: any headway on TradeLinks? it |
| 11:10.05 | orionshock | x* it |
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| 11:34.00 | Maldivia | orionshock: pong |
| 11:34.25 | orionshock | yo |
| 11:34.42 | Maldivia | orionshock: ohh, I've forgotten to upload version for latest build - ups |
| 11:34.54 | orionshock | oh? |
| 11:35.03 | orionshock | tek said something about making it a lib :D |
| 11:35.16 | Maldivia | yeah, he was talking about that |
| 11:35.31 | orionshock | i would love you for several months if you did :D |
| 11:35.39 | orionshock | it would simplify my addon quite a bit |
| 11:39.42 | orionshock | Maldivia: here is a strange thing, i canablized tradelinks for it's core functions/data to decode a link; shoved it into a libstub of a thing that is pritty much the same setup that you have it in the addon...and it started to give extra things when i decoded a link... |
| 11:40.19 | orionshock | then again,i like hacking up code and prolly missed something... |
| 11:41.58 | nuoHep | dafire, you'll be able to get ruin and metamorphosis : http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679802649&pageNo=1&sid=2000#4 |
| 11:42.48 | dafire | nuoHep, cool :9 |
| 11:43.50 | dafire | and corruption is always instant ? |
| 11:44.10 | nuoHep | yeah |
| 11:44.18 | Maldivia | orionshock: extra things... weird? |
| 11:44.20 | Maldivia | orionshock: as in? |
| 11:44.54 | dafire | oh there is another metamorphosis post with more info |
| 11:45.07 | dafire | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679801199&pageNo=2&sid=2000#20 |
| 11:45.15 | orionshock | well i was using inscription; and it added glyph of feint to the list but i don't have it |
| 11:45.23 | orionshock | also the non-craftables are showing up |
| 11:45.48 | Maldivia | orionshock: the non-craftable showing up is a known issue - they are part of the encoded string :9 |
| 11:46.10 | [SW]Dodge | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.15 | Maldivia | orionshock: if you have time later today, I can look at it - don't have the time right now |
| 11:46.21 | Maldivia | orionshock: as I'm at work |
| 11:46.26 | orionshock | hehe |
| 11:46.59 | Maldivia | orionshock: you on US beta? |
| 11:47.09 | orionshock | hold |
| 11:47.12 | orionshock | doing BT |
| 11:49.52 | Maldivia | orionshock: anyway, I should have time later this evening (EU time - so in 4 hours or so), if you're on alliance northrend, catch me on Maldivia or Waihung, or I'll see if you're around here by then |
| 11:50.11 | orionshock | im on the PvP Realm :\ |
| 11:51.43 | Maldivia | isn't the premade the only pvp-realm now? |
| 11:51.58 | orionshock | no |
| 11:52.01 | orionshock | LK is pvp |
| 11:52.22 | Maldivia | it's listed as normal in the realm list |
| 11:52.23 | orionshock | me thinks they are gona do pvp balancing before they do the pve balancing |
| 11:52.34 | orionshock | ya well that listing is fked |
| 11:52.50 | Maldivia | horde or alliance on LK? |
| 11:53.17 | orionshock | allaince |
| 11:53.39 | orionshock | Aleiah |
| 11:53.58 | Maldivia | ohh well, I'm horde on LK :) |
| 11:54.04 | orionshock | .... |
| 11:54.09 | orionshock | hates on Maldivia |
| 11:54.12 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 11:54.38 | orionshock | horde thinks it's funny to corpse camp at wrymrest temple in the queens chamber... |
| 11:54.40 | orionshock | >.> |
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| 11:55.51 | Maldivia | well, haven't really played on LK since some friends got an invite |
| 11:56.12 | orionshock | but ya if we can get a nice and reliable lib for decoding tradelinks; as well as a familiar way to share link data.. it will make addons like mine a lot smaller and nicer to have :D |
| 11:56.17 | Maldivia | since they play allience, so I copied my druid instead |
| 11:56.55 | orionshock | addon called GuildCraft - @ wowi and here |
| 11:57.53 | Maldivia | orionshock: well, the code from TradeLinks could easily be made into a lib |
| 11:58.41 | Maldivia | orionshock: and it could probably also use a bit of clean-up/optimization in the encode/decode parts |
| 11:59.04 | Maldivia | orionshock: it was thrown together rather quickly, and just made to work :) |
| 11:59.11 | orionshock | hehe |
| 12:00.51 | orionshock | some of the look ups could be simplified instead of using loops |
| 12:00.56 | orionshock | bout it :D |
| 12:01.34 | orionshock | is the data sets complete? |
| 12:01.41 | orionshock | or still lacking? |
| 12:02.49 | Maldivia | the dataset is complete for current build (or well, the one on wowi is for 8885) |
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| 12:03.28 | Maldivia | but since there are so many changed to profession skills every build here in beta, that data file changes a lot :) |
| 12:03.39 | orionshock | any way to get the non-craftable stuff out? |
| 12:03.47 | Maldivia | not really |
| 12:04.14 | Maldivia | well, can make a black-list, that are removed afterwards, that's about it |
| 12:04.22 | Maldivia | since they are a part of the actual link |
| 12:05.19 | orionshock | hum... |
| 12:06.39 | orionshock | thing is with my addon i send the spell id over the addon channel, and while it's better than keeping an metric-ass-ton of localizations and tooltip scanning and static DB of useless shit, i just use the spell id and let the game do the rest |
| 12:07.14 | orionshock | if i could down size that to just the profession link... well ... it be a lot better, and i wouldn't need to version anything :D |
| 12:08.09 | orionshock | you could say i have a great deal of interest here :D |
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| 12:09.40 | CIA-58 | 03johny * r81584 10TwinCam_Overlay/ (. TwinCam_Overlay.lua TwinCam_Overlay.toc embeds.xml): |
| 12:09.41 | CIA-58 | TwinCam_Overlay: |
| 12:09.43 | CIA-58 | - Improvements and additional warnings. Still has placeholders for many gfxs. |
| 12:11.40 | Maldivia | orionshock: how will you be storing the information? list of spellId, or just the encoded string? |
| 12:12.33 | Maldivia | because the latter is not necessarily compatible from patch to patcj |
| 12:16.13 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:29.22 | Funkeh` | wtf http://www.speedtest.net/result/321111958.png |
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| 12:32.58 | [SW]Dodge | Funkeh`: low |
| 12:32.59 | [SW]Dodge | :D |
| 12:33.08 | Funkeh` | [SW]Dodge, for the UK? |
| 12:33.10 | Funkeh` | no |
| 12:33.11 | [SW]Dodge | i got 215000 some days ago ^^ |
| 12:33.18 | Funkeh` | if I try outside UK servers I get much lower |
| 12:33.41 | Funkeh` | [SW]Dodge, loc? |
| 12:33.45 | [SW]Dodge | germany |
| 12:33.50 | Funkeh` | meh |
| 12:33.54 | [SW]Dodge | BUT |
| 12:33.57 | Funkeh` | screw your fancy intrenets |
| 12:34.00 | [SW]Dodge | the resulst where false |
| 12:34.08 | Funkeh` | how come |
| 12:34.13 | [SW]Dodge | i just have a 16mbit connection |
| 12:35.19 | [SW]Dodge | but okay, last month i downloaded a 750mb zip in less than 1 minute O.o |
| 12:35.21 | [SW]Dodge | dunno how |
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| 12:38.04 | winkiller | probably some cache |
| 12:38.29 | Stanzilla | I only have 2mbit :( |
| 12:38.38 | Funkeh` | Stanzilla, WTF? |
| 12:38.47 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 12:38.53 | cncfanatics | 2mbit what ? |
| 12:38.56 | winkiller | I have 6 and don't really need it |
| 12:38.57 | Funkeh` | You should be ashamed of yourself, living in germany and having a slwoer internet than the UK |
| 12:39.00 | winkiller | 2 Mbit is plenty |
| 12:39.13 | thul | http://naurunappula.com/345701/noaids.gif |
| 12:39.41 | Stanzilla | meh |
| 12:39.57 | Stanzilla | I ordered 3mbit and they said it is impossible because I would get disconnected all the time :( |
| 12:40.25 | cncfanatics | thul: unfortunatly, they're right >.> |
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| 12:41.23 | winkiller | http://www.speedtest.net/result/321117965.png |
| 12:41.26 | cncfanatics | WoW is working now \o/ |
| 12:41.31 | cncfanatics | now lets see if we have no gfx corruption |
| 12:41.44 | [SW]Dodge | cncfanatics: the 1,26gb patch works :D |
| 12:41.44 | SunTsu | cncfanatics: Wine? |
| 12:41.51 | cncfanatics | SunTsu: yes |
| 12:42.01 | [SW]Dodge | cncfanatics: just installing last 2 builds/patches |
| 12:42.04 | SunTsu | cncfanatics: Easy as cake, isn't it? |
| 12:42.25 | cncfanatics | SunTsu: its slightly more anoying on a 64 bit system |
| 12:42.43 | Stanzilla | http://www.speedtest.net/result/321118659.png |
| 12:42.44 | SunTsu | cncfanatics: That's why I only run 32 bits |
| 12:42.55 | cncfanatics | I wanted to try out 64 bit :) |
| 12:43.06 | cncfanatics | seems its working |
| 12:43.12 | cncfanatics | had graphics corruption with the beta nvidia drivers |
| 12:43.27 | mitch0 | . |
| 12:44.16 | [SW]Dodge | http://www.speedtest.net/result/321119095.png |
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| 12:45.37 | Stanzilla | go away :( |
| 12:45.43 | [SW]Dodge | :D |
| 12:45.56 | [SW]Dodge | wtf |
| 12:45.57 | [SW]Dodge | ! |
| 12:46.01 | [SW]Dodge | patch faild -.- |
| 12:46.05 | cncfanatics | I WIN |
| 12:46.12 | cncfanatics | go kill yourself now [SW]Dodge |
| 12:46.13 | Stanzilla | that's what you get for teasing me! |
| 12:46.20 | [SW]Dodge | cncfanatics: not! |
| 12:46.37 | [SW]Dodge | cncfanatics: the patch for what i wanted to kill myself was successfull |
| 12:46.43 | [SW]Dodge | but the WoW-3.0.2.8885-to-3.0.2.8905-deDE-patch faild |
| 12:46.46 | [SW]Dodge | :D |
| 12:47.00 | [SW]Dodge | 8820-8885 was succes |
| 12:47.27 | [SW]Dodge | ah no wait 8622-8820 succes 820-8885faild ^^ |
| 12:51.26 | CIA-58 | 03hedin * r81585 10WF3sec/ (WF3sec.toc core.lua enUS.lua local/ ruRU.lua): WF3sec: cleanup |
| 12:53.27 | Maldivia | [SW]Dodge: validated the patch files? |
| 12:53.45 | [SW]Dodge | Maldivia: huh? |
| 12:54.08 | Maldivia | [SW]Dodge: did you use the downloaders to get the patches, or a mirror? |
| 12:54.13 | [SW]Dodge | mirror |
| 12:54.24 | Maldivia | try running the downloader to use it to validate the patch |
| 12:55.00 | Maldivia | or any BT client for that matter, if you have the .torrent |
| 12:56.08 | [SW]Dodge | the patches always faild due to an unexcepted file size of some dbc files but currently running the 3.0.1.8820 to 3.0.2.8885 patch from downloader |
| 12:56.20 | [SW]Dodge | (at least i downloaded all patches twice -.-) |
| 12:57.05 | Adirelle|work | Stanzilla: any feedback on lastest SSR revisions ? |
| 12:57.10 | Adirelle|work | -q |
| 12:57.11 | Adirelle|work | -s |
| 12:57.22 | Stanzilla | Adirelle|work: it works pretty good :) |
| 12:57.39 | Adirelle|work | and now you can remove the PT3 part |
| 12:58.01 | [SW]Dodge | Adirelle|work: did you implemented my change or is it still my local copy with modified frame size? :D |
| 12:58.02 | Adirelle|work | are you installing it with WAU, SVN or by hand ? |
| 12:58.21 | Adirelle|work | [SW]Dodge: I added something |
| 12:58.34 | [SW]Dodge | <3 ^^ |
| 12:58.36 | Adirelle|work | not exactly the same size, but it uses only on column now |
| 12:59.22 | Stanzilla | < svn |
| 12:59.24 | [SW]Dodge | hehe, the sizes was just a suggesion how i moved it ;) the goal was to make it look nicer, what it does now^^ |
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| 13:02.34 | Adirelle|work | Stanzilla: so you still have the modules embedded or you moved them at addon level ? |
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| 13:03.13 | Stanzilla | I think I edited the modules.xml and removed the modules I don't need |
| 13:03.39 | Adirelle|work | ok |
| 13:07.43 | Adirelle|work | I'm not satisfied with the way it is designed internally now, I'd love to write optional modules to handle other kind of stuff, like vanity pets, pet feeding, ... |
| 13:09.04 | Adirelle|work | but 1) I don't think I could name it "simple" anymore (it is already on the border line), 2) because of that, I should make a new addon with modular design in mind |
| 13:09.21 | [SW]Dodge | f........ck! the last patch fails i got it with downloader ;( again unexcepted file size |
| 13:09.48 | kenlyric | I would <3 you if you wrote a pet feeding mod that worked |
| 13:09.59 | Funkeh` | If only CCleaner was a woman |
| 13:11.10 | Funkeh` | I'd totally tap that |
| 13:11.49 | Adirelle|work | I could actually try to do something like buffet, that create a pet feeding macro |
| 13:12.51 | Adirelle|work | the point I'm uncertain about is the level matching between pet level and food level |
| 13:13.07 | Adirelle|work | (to avoid the "your pet dislike that food" error) |
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| 13:31.17 | ShaneSveller | so how close is the the transition to the Curse service these days? I remember September being mentioned when it was first announced |
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| 13:32.25 | ktwo | hi can anyone tell me if i lose dps when using this mindflay macro (/cast [nochanneling:Mind Flay] Mind Flay) if yes - what should i use instead |
| 13:34.18 | kenlyric | why would you ever be casting mind flay twice in a row? |
| 13:35.15 | kenlyric | afaik nochanneling isn't very good, it's a client side check only. |
| 13:35.22 | ktwo | well there are some encounter and situations where swd cant be used |
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| 13:35.47 | ktwo | for example our healers start to yell if i use that on kalecgos |
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| 13:36.54 | Josh_Borke | didn't they change the mechanics so that you don't need the nochanneling now? |
| 13:37.08 | Josh_Borke | or maybe i just have my macro set to that already |
| 13:37.42 | ktwo | well if i dont use nochanneling and just spam mindflay the cast will be reset |
| 13:37.46 | ktwo | and i spend the mana for it |
| 13:42.18 | Punkie | damn i'm so glad I got launcy for my windows box :x |
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| 13:47.44 | Hjalte | Anyone using Google Chrome and wow windowed mode? |
| 13:47.59 | cncfanatics | ktwo: just pay attention |
| 13:48.59 | [SW]Dodge | Hjalte: wow windowed yes, google chrome NEVER! : |
| 13:49.07 | Zhinjio | Hjalte: yes |
| 13:49.13 | Maldivia | [SW]Dodge: why not the latter? |
| 13:49.27 | Hjalte | Zhinjio: Does Chrome also work really slow at times at you, with wow open? |
| 13:50.02 | Zhinjio | I get some caching issues occasionally, where swapping back to chrome takes awhile for the pages to re-render, but that happens both with and without wow running. |
| 13:50.04 | [SW]Dodge | Maldivia: i like my ff with my plugins ;) |
| 13:50.26 | Maldivia | [SW]Dodge: ohh yeah - but the "NEVER" part just looked like you have something against it :) |
| 13:50.49 | [SW]Dodge | Maldivia: did you read the news about chrome? :P |
| 13:50.52 | Maldivia | [SW]Dodge: I like the style and look of chrome - but yeah, I love my FF + plugins :) |
| 13:51.14 | FinalX | opera <3 |
| 13:51.20 | Maldivia | [SW]Dodge: anything in particular you're refering to - there have been so many |
| 13:51.25 | ktwo | you mean i should just not use a macro and wait until mindflay wears off and then recast? would that be better than nochanneling or is the difference negligible0,00 |
| 13:51.51 | [SW]Dodge | FinalX: opera is nice too, but for me ff is a little bit better due to my plugins lol^^ |
| 13:52.06 | [SW]Dodge | Maldivia: all the bad news :) |
| 13:52.17 | FinalX | im not using plugins in ff, only using firefox at work because it looks better than opera in linux... |
| 13:52.29 | Maldivia | ktwo: the maximum dps from mind flay is if you can recast it so (with latency) it will start again just as the previous stops - that's impossible with a nochannel macrk |
| 13:52.30 | FinalX | but opera on windows > firefox on windows (my opinion..) |
| 13:53.08 | Maldivia | [SW]Dodge: well, still don't think there have been more bad news than for other browsers |
| 13:53.11 | [SW]Dodge | FinalX: i think everyone can use the browse that he likes the most :P i even know some pople who think IE7 is best of all^^ |
| 13:53.28 | Zhinjio | and they're wrong! *grtin* |
| 13:53.55 | Zhinjio | sorry, that was too easy. |
| 13:53.57 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 13:54.00 | FinalX | I'm just using whatever works best for me on whatever system... |
| 13:54.35 | FinalX | using Windows, Linux and OS X ... so.. whatever looks/works best for me on whatever system =P |
| 13:54.49 | [SW]Dodge | :) |
| 13:54.55 | Maldivia | go lynx? :) |
| 13:55.56 | FinalX | noes, elinks, maybe :) |
| 13:56.01 | [SW]Dodge | Maldivia: [SW]Dodge: well, still don't think there have been more bad news than for other browsers <- well that could be true. but as i said everyone can use what he wants. AND some years ago i also siad i'll never use opera and what happens? i sued it for about 7 month this year^^ |
| 13:57.01 | Maldivia | [SW]Dodge: hehe :) |
| 13:57.08 | Maldivia | [SW]Dodge: sued or used? |
| 13:57.15 | [SW]Dodge | used |
| 13:57.23 | Maldivia | heh |
| 13:57.32 | [SW]Dodge | but at least i moved back to FF ^^ |
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| 13:58.22 | Maldivia | GreaseMonkey, Noscript, adblock etc, just too used to having them :) |
| 13:58.30 | Maldivia | and dont want to browse without them |
| 13:58.41 | Megalon | Real man telnet through the internetz! |
| 13:58.55 | Maldivia | Megalon: I can do that aswell |
| 13:59.06 | thul | ff = fullframe, right? :-P |
| 13:59.11 | FinalX | I love the looks of Opera (font, rendering, speed etc) on Windows, but on Linux it just looks horrible... clearly visible that it's a really nasty port of the Windows version using Qt libs. Firefox looks so much better on Linux :) |
| 14:00.05 | FinalX | (using XP at home, and using Ubuntu Linux (yay for no screwing around for hours) at work (used Debian before that =P)) |
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| 14:01.37 | sacarasc | FinalX: plz2gief your job |
| 14:02.01 | FinalX | hehe, actually thinking about switching jobs |
| 14:02.21 | sacarasc | :o but your job sounded so awesome |
| 14:02.32 | FinalX | and buying a macbook pro 15" in the coming week.. not sure if I should get 256MB or 512MB videocard though. |
| 14:02.38 | FinalX | the latter is like 400 euro's more expensive. |
| 14:02.56 | FinalX | ...I'm only playing WoW :P |
| 14:03.12 | sacarasc | didn't you just buy a dell last week? or was going to |
| 14:03.16 | FinalX | but I'd preferably run that at max distances, max textures and environmental detail |
| 14:03.31 | FinalX | was in doubt between the dell latitude e6500 or macbook pro 15" |
| 14:03.38 | FinalX | but the mbp is kinda winning |
| 14:07.03 | FinalX | *ponders* |
| 14:07.30 | FinalX | does anyone in here have one of the most recent macbook pro's with nvidia cards? ;) |
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| 14:07.59 | [SW]Dodge | FinalX: mbp with an addonupdater and wow in autostart? :p |
| 14:08.09 | FinalX | nearly :P |
| 14:08.24 | [SW]Dodge | + maybe teamspeak and musik :D |
| 14:08.28 | thul | FinalX: I have one withtout it |
| 14:08.29 | thul | without it |
| 14:08.40 | FinalX | without what? |
| 14:08.47 | FinalX | the nvidia card? :) |
| 14:08.53 | g3gg0 | ive chosen the DELL Precision M90 with a QuadroFX 3500M :] |
| 14:09.47 | g3gg0 | it even runs fine with wine |
| 14:09.49 | FinalX | well i get 20% discounts and free assurances (4 year extended premium multicover warranty) at Dell |
| 14:10.23 | g3gg0 | u are working at dell? |
| 14:10.25 | FinalX | but I kinda really like the Macbook more :< |
| 14:10.31 | FinalX | no, premium customer :) |
| 14:11.00 | g3gg0 | what to do to get a premium? |
| 14:11.10 | g3gg0 | im just standard business customer |
| 14:11.13 | g3gg0 | afaik :) |
| 14:11.46 | FinalX | no idea, it's through work.. guy behind me does all the purchases and contact with dell, he got me 800,- eur worth of free warranties/stuff on the Latitude E6500 |
| 14:12.04 | g3gg0 | hehe thats fine :) |
| 14:13.09 | FinalX | makes the Dell a lot cheaper than the MBP, but the MBP is still winning.. just feels more robust, like the look and feel, and I do like EFI (Apple equiv of BIOS), make a quad boot with vista 64, xp 32 and probably a Linux install.. |
| 14:13.26 | FinalX | (yes, looks matter to me =P) |
| 14:14.59 | FinalX | so now I'm mostly left with 2 questions: nVidia 8600GT 256MB or nVidia 8600GT 512MB, and Glossy or Matte screen. *shrug* |
| 14:15.05 | Maldivia | FinalX: Actually, EFI was created by Intel - Apple are just the only one to really adopt it :) |
| 14:15.18 | FinalX | aye :) and I love it |
| 14:18.47 | g3gg0 | i prefer matte screens |
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| 14:19.21 | thul | g3gg0: matte focus screens? |
| 14:19.53 | FinalX | yeah, my previous one was matte as well; really liked that, although graphics in especially movies might be better with glossy... but.. i'm travelling by train a lot, so probably much reflections of my surroundings with the glossy version |
| 14:20.20 | g3gg0 | focus screens? dont get it :) |
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| 14:22.06 | FinalX | matte focusing screens are used in photography =P |
| 14:22.48 | thul | hehe, yeah.. I try to counter all talk here with photographynerism |
| 14:23.16 | FinalX | it's clearly working =P |
| 14:24.14 | thul | :-D |
| 14:24.31 | g3gg0 | hehe ok :) |
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| 14:26.33 | ktwo | i just tested pure mindflay dps on dr. boom with nochanneling i have avg 570dps and without nochannelling about 490-520dps, what could be a explanation for this? do i have to recast it more accurately? cause sometimes it seems rather impossible not to lose on tick :/ |
| 14:27.30 | chexsum | use quartz castbar :) |
| 14:28.00 | ktwo | thats what i am using atm i pressed flay again when it reaches the red "latency" area, is that right? |
| 14:28.06 | Stanzilla | nochanneling is the way to go..you can just spam the button without needing to time your press |
| 14:28.11 | chexsum | yea |
| 14:28.16 | g3gg0 | someone knows about "Collectinator" addon? seems buggy... evil buggy |
| 14:28.22 | kenlyric | I still don't understand why your dps rotation is so bad that you're doing two mind flays in a row |
| 14:28.43 | Stanzilla | that happens with alot oft haste, kenlyric |
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| 14:28.53 | ktwo | that could it be.. |
| 14:28.54 | kenlyric | ah |
| 14:29.02 | chexsum | was anything resisted the second time? |
| 14:29.04 | kenlyric | haste doesn't increase the cooldowns |
| 14:29.12 | ktwo | nope chex.. |
| 14:29.30 | ktwo | and i did 200k dmg each test. so even if.. :) |
| 14:29.37 | Stanzilla | but you have time for 1.5 mindflays in between |
| 14:30.29 | ktwo | should i use swd only when a blast is ready? |
| 14:31.17 | chexsum | use it when its up and you have full health and no mana worries :P |
| 14:32.57 | ktwo | if i start a cast will the request be sent to the server when its finished or when i press the button (just for a better understanding)? |
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| 14:33.22 | dafire | when you press the button |
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| 14:33.47 | dafire | all combat stuff is done on the server to prevent manipulation |
| 14:38.19 | Maldivia | isn't the default behavior when you release the button ? |
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| 14:39.48 | Stanzilla | dafire: how is your closetgnome fork coming along? I'm using the github version^^ |
| 14:40.11 | dafire | uhm .9 |
| 14:40.49 | dafire | i was busy with playing with ouf but I guess I'll continue it soon :9 |
| 14:41.43 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 14:42.00 | dafire | things like deleting and editing sets would be nice i guess :9 |
| 14:42.18 | Stanzilla | indeed |
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| 14:50.30 | Xinhuan | ~dict angst |
| 14:50.46 | Xinhuan | ~dict 2 angst |
| 14:51.26 | Stanzilla | angst = fear :) |
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| 15:18.32 | Zhinjio | Ellipsis: ping |
| 15:18.47 | thul | pongs Zhinjio |
| 15:18.54 | Zhinjio | hey thul |
| 15:19.03 | thul | heey |
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| 15:23.02 | Zhinjio | G"morning, Kaelten |
| 15:23.49 | Kaelten | morn |
| 15:33.13 | ulic | how's the curseforge port going? |
| 15:35.28 | ckknight | well |
| 15:35.35 | ckknight | I'm working on the repo import right now |
| 15:35.39 | ckknight | coming along much better than I expected |
| 15:35.51 | Zhinjio | ok, this is hilarious. And mildly nsfw if your boss has good vision: http://www.comicvsaudience.net/images/flow_sex.jpg |
| 15:36.30 | PProvost|away | ckknight: I still can't believe you guys are going to port over history. Complete waste of time IMHO |
| 15:36.49 | ckknight | PProvost|away: if we don't, what stops people from packing up and going to say, googlecode? |
| 15:36.58 | thul | anyone want to go to berlin to get indian food? :-P |
| 15:37.24 | ckknight | I could go for Indian food |
| 15:37.27 | ckknight | but not to Berlin |
| 15:37.28 | ckknight | too far |
| 15:37.53 | thul | hmm, where do you live? :-P |
| 15:40.19 | ckknight | Huntsville, AL |
| 15:41.02 | thul | ai.. that is like the unaited steites? |
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| 15:41.16 | ckknight | yea, Alabama, USA |
| 15:43.04 | SunTsu | thul: Indian food is fine with me, too. Berlin is not. |
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| 15:44.52 | thul | I just love chicken korma |
| 15:44.56 | thul | and I would love some right about now |
| 15:45.23 | thul | hmm, 1000 usd oslo-hk-oslo. That might be fit for a x-mas vacation |
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| 15:50.57 | PProvost|away | ckknight: Just create the projects, move head to head, and lock commits on the old svn |
| 15:51.26 | ckknight | PProvost|away: we're already almost done |
| 15:51.36 | PProvost|away | hokey |
| 15:52.51 | thul | HOKEYPOKEY |
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| 15:59.47 | Valhallaresa | I know most are working on mods, etc.. But has anyone tried Wintergrasp? |
| 16:00.16 | NivFreak | damnit |
| 16:00.23 | NivFreak | my character copy has been pending for like 12 hours |
| 16:05.28 | copystring | frostfire spellschool is on live servers? |
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| 16:07.41 | CIA-58 | 03LordFarlander * r81586 10MiniPet/README.txt: |
| 16:07.41 | CIA-58 | MiniPet: |
| 16:07.41 | CIA-58 | - Updated readme |
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| 16:09.57 | digmouse | ~seen apoco |
| 16:10.00 | purl | apoco <i=Apoco@adsl-99-162-57-237.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 48d 10h 18m 50s ago, saying: 'Arrowmaster: pm'. |
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| 16:21.56 | mitchnull | pretty silent here nowadays. what happened to all the chatter? everyone moved to some other channel? |
| 16:22.07 | Josh_Borke | no, it just comes in spurts |
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| 16:22.21 | FinalX | just the way we like it =P |
| 16:22.54 | mitchnull | ok :) |
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| 17:01.05 | fewyn | Ok, I've been calling my current box Hex for the last 2 years. My new machine will be here tomorrow and I now need to pick a name for it, suggestions/ideas? |
| 17:01.32 | Primer | bob |
| 17:01.38 | Ellipsis | sex? |
| 17:01.48 | fewyn | yes please Ellipsis |
| 17:01.56 | Ellipsis | :> |
| 17:02.35 | Vulcanus | me too! |
| 17:02.39 | Dashkal | fewyn: Hex? -> Mojo |
| 17:02.56 | Primer | So Ellipsis, I have the prefs UI mostly working |
| 17:03.05 | fewyn | Hmmm... Mojo doesn't sound right |
| 17:03.12 | Primer | I have the 2 drop downs populated with the data that I want in them |
| 17:03.32 | Dashkal | ponders another angle to keep the theme |
| 17:03.46 | Primer | the only problem remains programatically changing the value of one dropdown based on the value of the first |
| 17:04.00 | fewyn | Hex was named after the "computer" in the Discworld series of Books written by Terry Pratchett |
| 17:04.03 | Ellipsis | er, why? |
| 17:04.18 | Dashkal | fewyn: I haven't read a book with that character in it |
| 17:04.19 | Primer | Because this is how I want to display it |
| 17:04.29 | Primer | Indulge me here for a bit |
| 17:04.32 | Ellipsis | that would require some serious hackery, you should probably rethink your config design |
| 17:04.37 | Dashkal | but 'Octo' |
| 17:04.48 | Primer | Ok, well, if it simply can't be done, then perhaps I should |
| 17:04.52 | Ellipsis | I recommend having the user select from the boxes and then click a button to "add" it to the list of profile switches |
| 17:05.18 | Primer | That's just not 'clean' to me though |
| 17:05.30 | Ellipsis | then write a custom config from scratch ;) |
| 17:05.34 | Primer | I don't want this huge UI |
| 17:05.54 | Primer | but...I already have it within the pitbull menu hierarchy :( |
| 17:06.12 | Ellipsis | I've always found those options tables to be hell to use when I'm trying to implement something with multiple options that affect each other |
| 17:06.21 | Primer | My idea seems so simple, yet, is incumbered by...deficiencies |
| 17:06.38 | Primer | Please indulge me for a second |
| 17:06.59 | Primer | Allow me to explain in detail what I want, just to be sure we're thinking the same thing |
| 17:07.27 | Primer | 2 drop downs. The first, labeled "instances", has a list of instances and bgs (Kara, BT, Hyjal, WSG, AB, AV, etc) |
| 17:07.52 | Primer | the second drop down contains the list of pitbull profiles (10 man, 25 man, 40 man, 2 man arena, 5 man arena) |
| 17:08.32 | Primer | When the UI is brought up, the first drop down always shows "Alterac Valley" (since it's sorted alphabetically, and I always want to show an instance name) |
| 17:08.58 | Primer | In my module's pref db, there's a table named "instances" |
| 17:09.28 | Primer | and if instances["Alterac Valley"] is defined, the second drop down shows that value |
| 17:09.35 | Primer | if not, it reads 'Default' |
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| 17:10.02 | Primer | the user, wanting to assign '40 man' to 'Alterac Valley', then chooses '40 man' in the second drop down |
| 17:10.03 | NivFreak | hrmmm... so 16 hours after I queued my copy |
| 17:10.05 | NivFreak | and it's still pending |
| 17:10.10 | Ellipsis | right, here's the problem though |
| 17:10.11 | fewyn | that happens |
| 17:10.16 | Primer | which then sets the pref |
| 17:10.17 | fewyn | can take up to 2 days |
| 17:10.19 | fewyn | or even more |
| 17:10.21 | NivFreak | cry |
| 17:10.32 | NivFreak | finally got a key to copy my warrior over |
| 17:10.34 | Ellipsis | when the user selects something different from the first dropdown, you want to refresh the second dropdown so that you can give it a new value programmatically |
| 17:10.43 | Ellipsis | afaik there's no way to do that |
| 17:11.02 | Primer | that's what I feared |
| 17:11.11 | Primer | I just wanted to be entirely sure that you gathered my meaning |
| 17:11.24 | Primer | which is hard to do some times on IRC |
| 17:11.34 | Primer | thank you for indulging me |
| 17:11.44 | Primer | I know I'm sometimes too verbose and annoying |
| 17:11.45 | Ellipsis | yup yup |
| 17:11.51 | Ellipsis | everyone's annoying sometimes |
| 17:11.56 | Ellipsis | well, except Fisker-, he never stops |
| 17:12.24 | Primer | It's just that I had this same conversation with someone last night, and they were adamant I could do what I wanted, only to eventually realize that what I wanted was not what they thought I wanted |
| 17:13.08 | Ellipsis | heh |
| 17:13.08 | Primer | Can anything be set programatically in a prefs UI? |
| 17:13.20 | Primer | I mean, how about a text field that denotes the association? |
| 17:13.50 | Primer | The act of setting the first drop down triggers code that populates a text area? |
| 17:14.43 | dieck | Ellipsis: hm, at least with acegui it's simple. the set func from the first dropdown changes the table configuring the acegui, and afterwards you can simply redraw the acegui |
| 17:15.13 | Ellipsis | dieck: this is a bit trickier, using rockconfig (ace2 options tables, essentially) and from within a pitbull module so far less control over the config structure |
| 17:15.14 | Primer | This would be using LibRock though, since that's what pitbull uses |
| 17:15.21 | cncfanatics | why use what pitbull uses ? :p |
| 17:15.33 | dieck | Ellipsis: ah, ok, i was not aware of these limits ;) |
| 17:15.41 | dieck | Ellipsis: just read the basic problem |
| 17:15.44 | Primer | because I want my menu to be contained within the pitbull menu hierarchy |
| 17:15.51 | Primer | and it's already in there |
| 17:16.09 | Primer | seeing that this is a pitbull module |
| 17:16.10 | cncfanatics | oh yesh indeed |
| 17:16.12 | Ellipsis | Primer: you can *try* changing the value of the second box directly, and it *might* pick up on the change and update. no guarantees though. |
| 17:16.28 | cncfanatics | its programming, you can always gaurantee behaviour |
| 17:16.39 | cncfanatics | just test it, if it works once it should keep working :p |
| 17:16.56 | Primer | Well, if there was a way to forcibly redraw the UI, I don't see why that wouldn't work |
| 17:17.09 | Ellipsis | or you could use a function for the second box to return a different value based on the thing set by the first box; that might get re-executed when options change (that's how options can show/hide themselves in other parts of pitbull config...) |
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| 17:21.31 | NeoTron | man funny how things change |
| 17:21.42 | NeoTron | yesterday - no way my lock would be my main. today. not so sure |
| 17:21.53 | NeoTron | the changes to meta, corruption and ruin are quite significant |
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| 17:22.10 | Primer | meta? |
| 17:22.18 | NeoTron | metamorphosis |
| 17:22.42 | NeoTron | 5 minute CD, 45s duration - 600% armor, 40% dmg increase + 2 demon abilties + all normal abilities |
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| 17:23.01 | Primer | yeah, I've been meaning to try it |
| 17:23.08 | NeoTron | I would prefer it being a toggle with a demon only "empower" sill that has that 600%/40% effect |
| 17:23.11 | NeoTron | it's crap now |
| 17:23.51 | Ellipsis | wait what |
| 17:23.55 | Ellipsis | we can use normal abilities in demon form now? |
| 17:24.40 | Zyndrome | so, are you pumped for the free hunter mmo "The Hunter" from Avalanche? :p |
| 17:25.11 | Dashkal | Ellipsis: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/9/9679890957-metamorphosis-feedback.html |
| 17:25.43 | Dashkal | In other news, corruption is now _always_ IC. |
| 17:26.12 | NeoTron | corruption instant cast, ruin a 11-15 pt destro talent, metamorphosis essentially an awesome 5m cd/45s duration trinket |
| 17:26.32 | NeoTron | although I will push strongly for making meta a permanent form and giving us a demon only empower ability that increases armor/damage for 45s |
| 17:26.39 | Ellipsis | corruption instant cast untalented? |
| 17:26.44 | Ellipsis | HOLY FREAKING FINALLY |
| 17:26.45 | NeoTron | because it'd be a waste to only use that "form" for 45s per 5m |
| 17:27.03 | NeoTron | imp corr is 4/8/12/16/20% more dmg on corruption |
| 17:27.12 | NeoTron | I assume, maybe incorrectly, that empowered corruption is going away |
| 17:27.32 | Ellipsis | yeah, imp + emp would be kind of silly with that change |
| 17:27.58 | NeoTron | would free up some point in a crucial tier |
| 17:28.11 | NeoTron | but yeah any affliction / demo raiding build now comes with ruin |
| 17:28.26 | Ellipsis | om nom nom |
| 17:28.45 | Ellipsis | now we just have to pray the devs aren't messing with us and actually keep this stuff? |
| 17:28.48 | NeoTron | 5 point talent sure, but releasing the 51 pt talents is the win |
| 17:29.06 | NeoTron | I hope they fix other stuff - the demo tree especially need somethin |
| 17:29.13 | NeoTron | the top is too heavy and the bottom has too much crap |
| 17:29.39 | NeoTron | an optimal demo build wants to be very bottom heavy - too havy to pick up ruin even after the change - you have to make some serious cuts |
| 17:29.43 | NivFreak | they just need to get the 51pts figured out first |
| 17:29.44 | NeoTron | while keeping crap in the top |
| 17:29.47 | NivFreak | then they can rebalance the tress |
| 17:29.49 | NivFreak | trees |
| 17:31.19 | nocts | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/8/9679952778-delay-on-ghostwolf-break.html |
| 17:31.23 | nocts | That is so bullshit. |
| 17:31.40 | nocts | Now we have to drop earthbind to "pulse" a snare release? |
| 17:31.59 | NivFreak | haha |
| 17:32.29 | Tornhoof | hehe |
| 17:32.30 | Tornhoof | yeh |
| 17:32.39 | nocts | As Ellipsis brought up to me, all you need are two opposing shamans earthbinding each other. |
| 17:32.41 | NeoTron | the main issue with warlocks, compared to many/most classes, is the almost mandatory "traversing" of other trees. |
| 17:33.09 | NeoTron | many class specs can put 60+ points in a tree without losing much. A warlock needs, tomorrow, at least 15 pts in destruction. always. |
| 17:33.24 | Ellipsis | better than 20 ;) |
| 17:33.25 | NeoTron | it's better than 21 points |
| 17:33.57 | NeoTron | but the main issue is how top heavy demo is and that you still need to pick low tier filler talents you could otherwise ship (imp healthstone for example) |
| 17:34.04 | NeoTron | but have to skip top tier talents |
| 17:35.34 | Tornhoof | heh |
| 17:35.35 | Tornhoof | Also as a side note Mind Flay is getting an upgraded beam graphic! (Warlocks will be getting all new beams too, including Chain Heal for Shamans) |
| 17:35.43 | Tornhoof | someone tell em, no new gfx for chainheal |
| 17:35.59 | Tornhoof | they shall burn in hell for new chainheal gfx |
| 17:36.16 | Ellipsis | chain heal is already pretty! |
| 17:38.10 | NeoTron | so a minimum of 53-55 "required" talents in demo |
| 17:38.29 | NeoTron | unfortunately you have to fill up with non-required talents |
| 17:38.52 | NivFreak | I like how all the sunwell guilds are demanding that naxx be made harder |
| 17:39.02 | NivFreak | I thought the point of naxx was an entry level raid |
| 17:39.19 | NeoTron | meaning you need to spend at a minimum of 58 points |
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| 17:42.15 | NivFreak | so DBM has timers for naxx |
| 17:42.18 | NivFreak | does bigwigs? |
| 17:43.13 | Dashkal | NivFreak: demanding? I've seen quite a bit of "This feels a little easy" but not so much of "You've ruined it, make it harder" from them. |
| 17:46.32 | nevcairiel | NivFreak: there are the "old" naxx modules, probably need some tweaks, though |
| 17:46.37 | nevcairiel | who cares about beta timers, anyway |
| 17:46.45 | nevcairiel | they'll probably adjust those every damn patch |
| 17:47.03 | NivFreak | it was a question |
| 17:47.03 | NivFreak | :P |
| 17:47.07 | NivFreak | not an ZOMG do it now |
| 17:47.20 | NivFreak | and yes, the bigwigs naxx modules still work very well |
| 17:47.26 | NivFreak | on live |
| 17:47.27 | nevcairiel | provide combatlog and it'll be easier to adjust the timers |
| 17:47.48 | NivFreak | if you're actually interested, there's a number of them posted on the feedback thread |
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| 17:48.04 | NivFreak | I don't have any myself yet, I was just curious what was available for when I venture in |
| 17:48.06 | nevcairiel | will probably grap one and branch the naxx timers |
| 17:48.41 | NeoTron | I assume you'll need two |
| 17:48.45 | NivFreak | are you going to do one module for both 10 and 25 man? |
| 17:48.46 | NeoTron | one for 10-man and one for 25m |
| 17:48.47 | NivFreak | yea |
| 17:49.19 | nevcairiel | not sure yet |
| 17:49.24 | nevcairiel | we'll see how to handle that |
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| 17:49.28 | NivFreak | what I really want is a decent threatmeter |
| 17:49.38 | NivFreak | I've been living off tooltips atm |
| 17:49.41 | NivFreak | and it's a bit.. rough |
| 17:49.59 | NivFreak | I really like the glowing nameplates for aggro when aoe tanking |
| 17:50.09 | NivFreak | it's so easy to see which mob you've lost aggro on now |
| 17:50.13 | NivFreak | before it's gibbing someone |
| 17:50.28 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 17:50.43 | nevcairiel | I want to work on some prelim omen version |
| 17:51.06 | NivFreak | is the API complete? |
| 17:51.12 | nevcairiel | we dunno |
| 17:51.29 | nevcairiel | we've been pushing development to wait for some feedback on the API |
| 17:51.31 | NivFreak | that would certainly be the biggest gameplay improvement for me in beta |
| 17:51.53 | nevcairiel | but i guess we could design it that, that a API change would be easy to adapt |
| 17:52.08 | NivFreak | seems prudent |
| 17:52.44 | NivFreak | it's a bit scary to dps on my warrior as fury |
| 17:52.59 | NivFreak | titans grip + WW is a lot of dmg being tossed out |
| 17:53.00 | NivFreak | ;) |
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| 17:54.42 | NivFreak | I'd just be happy with a really stripped version personally |
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| 17:55.25 | Kolie | hello. |
| 17:55.37 | NivFreak | I do enjoy the SCTs with aggro info though |
| 17:55.41 | Kolie | any CC users? pushed out 2.0.0.4 to the updater, should be some good changes. |
| 17:56.02 | NivFreak | do we have a mac client yet? :P |
| 17:56.11 | Kolie | I do :) |
| 17:56.18 | NivFreak | can I have a copy? :P |
| 17:56.34 | NivFreak | I'm very curious to see what you're doing |
| 17:57.20 | Kolie | Well its exactly like the windows build. Does it work? well it can install/uninstall an addon. but its broke. |
| 17:57.26 | Kolie | Alot of the stuff is missing. |
| 17:57.46 | Kolie | clicking links from a website.. IPC.. updating etc. |
| 17:58.01 | NivFreak | I've never seen the windows client either :P |
| 17:58.33 | NivFreak | but yes, updating would probably be the most useful feature |
| 17:58.47 | Kolie | Of the client, not the addons |
| 17:58.50 | Kolie | That should work. |
| 17:59.32 | NivFreak | sounds useful then |
| 17:59.33 | NivFreak | :) |
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| 17:59.56 | Kolie | It doesnt save settings, thats all jacked up. |
| 18:00.03 | Kolie | Its alot of small things that make it fall apart right now. |
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| 18:04.03 | NivFreak | man, wowhead is up and down a lot this morning |
| 18:04.22 | CIA-58 | 03Allara 07WotLK * r81588 10HitsMode/ (4 files in 2 dirs): HitsMode: WotLK changes |
| 18:04.51 | kenlyric | ym is up and down a lot this morning |
| 18:06.15 | Ellipsis | n ou |
| 18:06.18 | Ellipsis | no u |
| 18:06.25 | Ellipsis | needs typing lessons |
| 18:08.47 | Adirelle | Tekkub: ping ? |
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| 18:09.22 | Tekkub | wut |
| 18:09.51 | Adirelle | do you use timeLeft or isMine return values of UnitAura somewhere in Cork ? |
| 18:10.11 | Tekkub | isMine, yes |
| 18:10.41 | Adirelle | I think the live compat layer is a bit borked then |
| 18:11.08 | Tekkub | probably, it's a hackjob to make clad STFU |
| 18:11.17 | Tekkub | I doubt it works 100% |
| 18:11.32 | Adirelle | not that if you ever plan to use timeLeft, WotLK returns expirationTime(=GetTime()+timeLeft) instead |
| 18:11.44 | Adirelle | s/not t/notice t/ |
| 18:12.08 | Tekkub | yea I know |
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| 18:12.28 | Tekkub | Cork's about them being there or not, time left doesn't matter |
| 18:14.07 | NeoTron | I wonder why they changed that |
| 18:14.19 | Adirelle | I'm just trying it |
| 18:14.19 | NeoTron | how often do you want to know when it ends, vs how long it is until it ends? |
| 18:14.33 | NeoTron | seems like this change only guarantees more calculation to get the value yoiu (always) want |
| 18:14.41 | Fisker- | you are most transparent NeoTron |
| 18:16.14 | Adirelle | rofl, cork + broker2fuba is kinda lose |
| 18:16.48 | Ellipsis | NeoTron: on the other hand, it encourages you to store the value and do a simple calculation rather than calling the API over again every onupdate |
| 18:16.53 | digmouse | uh what should hunters do on EoS phase 1? Seen tutorials that say hunters are important for keeping the boss in position |
| 18:16.55 | thul | wellwell |
| 18:17.06 | NeoTron | Ellipsis: that is true |
| 18:17.22 | NeoTron | digmouse: dps |
| 18:17.36 | NeoTron | the boss is 'kept in position" by people being in melee range and not dying |
| 18:18.09 | digmouse | tanks? |
| 18:18.14 | NeoTron | no? |
| 18:18.27 | NeoTron | well dependign on how fast you kill him you can solely use tanks to eat the damage |
| 18:18.28 | Tekkub | Broker2Fubar isn't checking the type field then |
| 18:19.29 | digmouse | never tried it, planning to down Bloodboil and EoS tonight |
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| 18:22.55 | Adirelle | Tekkub: not yet |
| 18:23.02 | vithos | digmouse, i (hunter) tank a single fixate at the beginning of p1, just to give the tank a little extra leeway with health. other than that, nothing |
| 18:24.31 | NeoTron | there is no real aggro in phase 1 |
| 18:24.37 | NeoTron | whomever is closest has aggro |
| 18:26.53 | Fisker- | NeoTron |
| 18:26.55 | Fisker- | i got you now |
| 18:27.20 | Fisker- | Can you make buttonbin not have the addon labels when "Short text" is enabled |
| 18:27.22 | digmouse | so thati is: someone pull aggro, then get out of the nearest position, at the same time, another one get to the nearest |
| 18:27.26 | Fisker- | so it only shows data if available |
| 18:27.31 | digmouse | s/thati/that/ |
| 18:28.58 | digmouse | everyone in the raid get to the nearest once or twice, make sure most one dont get hit too long, the tanks go to him on enrage |
| 18:29.01 | vithos | aggro is only based on threat if the current aggro target dies |
| 18:29.02 | NivFreak | are we talking about RoS? |
| 18:29.36 | digmouse | and we need to burn him down on one turn? |
| 18:29.42 | digmouse | or two? |
| 18:29.45 | NivFreak | we use 3 tanks for norma fixate, and 2 rogues for 2 enrages |
| 18:29.53 | NivFreak | and he dies generally during or shortly after the 2nd enrage |
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| 18:30.05 | digmouse | we got 3 tanks and 3 or 4 rogues |
| 18:30.10 | NivFreak | I (prot warrior) take him first, using TC/DS/SB to mitigate dmg |
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| 18:30.13 | Fisker- | how you do that NivFreak ? |
| 18:30.24 | Fisker- | That's insufficient DPS |
| 18:30.24 | NivFreak | when I hit 6K health, I switch with a bear |
| 18:30.28 | digmouse | and a survival hunter (me) with 14K buffed HP |
| 18:30.38 | NivFreak | then 5 seconds before enrage, a rogue gets under him |
| 18:30.42 | NivFreak | and hits evasion |
| 18:30.48 | NivFreak | then 5 seconds before it ends, a bear goes back in |
| 18:30.54 | NivFreak | at 6K health, we switch in another bear |
| 18:30.57 | digmouse | maybe I can use Deterrence |
| 18:31.04 | NivFreak | and then 5 seconds before enrage we put another rogue in with evasion |
| 18:31.15 | NivFreak | and p1 ends for us somewhere around there |
| 18:31.25 | CIA-58 | 03adirelle * r81589 10Broker2FuBar/ (Broker2FuBar.toc core.lua pluginPrototype.lua): |
| 18:31.29 | CIA-58 | Broker2FuBar: |
| 18:31.31 | NivFreak | Fisker-: huh? |
| 18:31.31 | CIA-58 | - only wrap launcher and data sources, |
| 18:31.33 | CIA-58 | - display label or name in tooltip if neither OnTooltipShow nor OnEnter is provided, |
| 18:31.35 | CIA-58 | - added a safety net to prevent evil things to happen when FuBar2Broker is loaded. |
| 18:31.37 | digmouse | so let tanks and rogues get the enrage? |
| 18:31.41 | Fisker- | ours end a bit after the first enrage |
| 18:31.45 | NivFreak | tanks never get enrage |
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| 18:31.53 | Fisker- | I remember the tries we had where we took 2 enrages |
| 18:31.53 | digmouse | use rogues? |
| 18:31.54 | NivFreak | Fisker-: works fine for us |
| 18:32.01 | Fisker- | We didn't have the DPS for phase 3 |
| 18:32.05 | NivFreak | digmouse: rogue always get enrage w/ evasion, yes |
| 18:32.07 | Fisker- | but then people l2p'ed and it worked fine |
| 18:32.10 | NivFreak | Fisker-: we've never had a problem |
| 18:32.22 | NivFreak | killed him after like 5 attempts the first time |
| 18:32.46 | NivFreak | and normal 1 shot |
| 18:32.47 | digmouse | dont try it yet but we downed Gorefiend in 4 minute and little more, so maybe 2 turns of enrage is enough |
| 18:32.48 | NivFreak | normally |
| 18:33.06 | Fisker- | just weird |
| 18:33.36 | NivFreak | generally we only have problems in p3 if people get threat capped |
| 18:33.37 | digmouse | thought if everyone goes fine P1 should end around 1:30 |
| 18:33.45 | NivFreak | or rather, if more than just the locks are threat capped ;) |
| 18:33.57 | digmouse | what I worried is P3 too |
| 18:34.08 | NivFreak | p2 is the scetchiest part in my experience |
| 18:34.10 | digmouse | our tanks are not good at doing threat |
| 18:34.18 | NivFreak | missed deadens/shields/kicks can be rough |
| 18:34.25 | NivFreak | p3 is just a burn timers phase |
| 18:34.45 | NivFreak | our teron this week was 4:27 |
| 18:34.47 | Fisker- | isn't it in phase 3 it gets more damage from aggro switches? |
| 18:34.54 | NivFreak | we're low on dps atm |
| 18:35.04 | NivFreak | zero shadow priests hurts our locks |
| 18:35.13 | NivFreak | Fisker-: huh? |
| 18:35.19 | NivFreak | phase 3 is just steadily increasing damage |
| 18:35.22 | NivFreak | with soul scream on the tank |
| 18:35.25 | NivFreak | and spites |
| 18:35.37 | digmouse | we got 2700 DPS lock 1900 DPS hunter on last night gorefiend |
| 18:35.38 | Fisker- | In one of the phases it deals more damage if the aggro switches to another person |
| 18:35.41 | NivFreak | steadily increasing raid wide dmg |
| 18:35.44 | digmouse | seems it's 4:40 |
| 18:35.52 | NivFreak | digmouse: nice |
| 18:36.03 | NivFreak | we usually have ~4 people around 2K dps |
| 18:36.04 | NivFreak | on teron |
| 18:36.12 | NivFreak | the rest around 1400 |
| 18:36.20 | NivFreak | or somewhere in between |
| 18:36.40 | thul | http://www.break.com/pictures_nsfw/yea-prove-it568950.html |
| 18:37.59 | NeoTron | is that SFW? |
| 18:38.16 | NeoTron | sorry had to :-P |
| 18:38.24 | Zyndrome | safe to wank, yes |
| 18:38.24 | digmouse | we got 5 people around 1800-1900 tonight |
| 18:38.38 | digmouse | even me a survival hunter got 1400 |
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| 18:45.44 | thul | sometimes I hate bartender |
| 18:46.16 | Wraithan | I switched to dominos, was much happier |
| 18:50.11 | kenlyric | nobody can be happier switching to Dominos |
| 18:50.25 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 18:52.40 | thul | if BT config quits beacause i get into combat, it seems to think that moving itself so that the top part of the frame is OUT OF REACH is a good idea |
| 18:52.45 | thul | I have to find out where nevcairiel lives |
| 18:52.51 | thul | and kill him until he dies from it |
| 18:52.52 | thul | :-P |
| 18:53.10 | thul | is it easy to config Wraithan ? |
| 18:53.12 | nevcairiel | what moves? o.O |
| 18:53.20 | Wraithan | kenlyric: bah, I am really happy with it |
| 18:53.48 | Wraithan | thul: very, my only problem was by default all the buttons were small, but once I scaled them up it looked and works great |
| 18:54.19 | kenlyric | you missed my joke |
| 18:54.20 | thul | nevcairiel: the config window :-P |
| 18:54.27 | kenlyric | I used the capital letter for a reason |
| 18:54.33 | NeoTron | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/9/9023654372-drain-soul-issues.html feels to me like "but... you'll be getting a new icon!!!" |
| 18:54.33 | nevcairiel | doesnt move for me |
| 18:54.51 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 18:54.56 | ulic | I used Dominos on the beta cause BT wasn't working, my limited time with it went pretty smooth. |
| 18:55.00 | thul | I don't know why it moves for me :-( |
| 18:55.07 | Wraithan | kenlyric: ah, I see, my bad lol |
| 18:55.27 | Wraithan | ulic: that is when I switched to it also, then I switched to it on live |
| 18:55.33 | Wraithan | because I found I really liked it |
| 18:55.53 | nevcairiel | You guys just fail at getting BT4 from branches, or you would've had a working barmod before dominos =P |
| 18:56.06 | ulic | I haven't switched on live yet, still using BT3 on live, cuase I couldn't do something I wanted in BT4, but I think I can with dominos, haven't tried yet. |
| 18:56.18 | Wraithan | it seems stupid but I REALLY like bars that snap together, especially when they snap together and align nicely |
| 18:56.20 | nevcairiel | whats that? |
| 18:56.25 | Ellipsis | I like dominos config actually, the only annoying bit is that you can't directly configure per-bar settings without unlocking them first |
| 18:56.34 | ulic | toggle visibility of bar via a macro |
| 18:56.48 | Wraithan | and BT4 doesn't offer that |
| 18:56.49 | ulic | of course it doesn't work in combat, I understand that. |
| 18:56.50 | nevcairiel | Wraithan: the wrath version can do that now, the snappy thing |
| 18:57.17 | Fisker- | didn't they remove the title from exploration of zones? |
| 18:57.19 | Wraithan | Oh? that was the main deal breaker, I liked BT more than dominos but I really wanted teh snaping stuff |
| 18:57.28 | Ellipsis | did bartender's pet bar ever figure out its bounds correctly? I remember that being the most annoying thing way back when I last used it (probably a year or so ago) |
| 18:57.43 | nevcairiel | a year ago was BT3, i guess |
| 18:57.46 | Ellipsis | yeah |
| 18:57.47 | nevcairiel | that was all weird and all! |
| 18:58.31 | Ellipsis | it annoyed me to try and line things up when the pet bar's "block" didn't correspond at all to where the buttons were |
| 18:58.59 | Fisker- | slaps Ellipsis around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:59.26 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: see it's not just me! |
| 18:59.37 | nevcairiel | yeah that was broken on alot of bars for BT3 Ellipsis |
| 18:59.37 | Wraithan | Considering using ace in my little farming addon... ace3 seems pretty slim, I could see using a couple of the libs |
| 19:00.09 | nevcairiel | I think BT4 only has a small issue with the freaking micromenu |
| 19:00.12 | nevcairiel | need to tweak that <.< |
| 19:00.20 | thul | yeah, snapping is good |
| 19:00.23 | Ellipsis | micromenu is ftl |
| 19:00.32 | nevcairiel | i dont show it myself |
| 19:00.32 | thul | just like Ellipsis |
| 19:00.34 | Ellipsis | don't know why anyone keeps it tbh |
| 19:00.38 | nevcairiel | so its a low prio =P |
| 19:01.04 | thul | what swing timer do people recommend? |
| 19:01.25 | Wraithan | mainly AceEvent, AceConfig, and possibly AceLocale |
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| 19:04.43 | Wraithan | Just not sure it would actually cut down on my code very much, since this addon shouldn't get very big |
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| 19:25.01 | Wraithan | If you are only using one or two events, AceEvent wont really simplify anything, right? |
| 19:30.57 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: btw, bt4 snapping/alignment was still a bit odd when I played with it |
| 19:31.17 | NivFreak | like the edge resistance was to weak or something |
| 19:31.29 | NivFreak | too |
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| 19:32.48 | nevcairiel | i dunno, i dont usually use snapping, so i need input on those variables =P |
| 19:33.22 | NivFreak | I'm glad to see you put it in, I'll try and give you some specific feedback by the weekend |
| 19:33.40 | NivFreak | and I had the same issue with the config dialog somehow ending up with the top half off the screen |
| 19:33.57 | NivFreak | which means you can't move it back :) |
| 19:34.13 | NivFreak | I don't recall a combat pulse being involved |
| 19:35.19 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: one other thing that I haven't mentioned yet |
| 19:35.32 | NivFreak | in beta, randomly the bars seem to drift between relogs/reloads |
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| 19:35.37 | NivFreak | and I'll have to reload the profile |
| 19:35.41 | NivFreak | to get them to align properly again |
| 19:35.49 | NivFreak | have you seen that? |
| 19:35.49 | nevcairiel | thats because of the scaling issues |
| 19:35.53 | NivFreak | k |
| 19:35.54 | nevcairiel | when beta resets its uiscale |
| 19:35.59 | nevcairiel | just reloadui :P |
| 19:36.03 | NivFreak | yea, I certainly saw that trigger it |
| 19:36.15 | NivFreak | but I thought I'd just had it happen independantly as well |
| 19:36.19 | NivFreak | reloadui is enough to fix it? |
| 19:38.28 | NivFreak | has anyone figured out an easy way to copy macros around between characters now that they are stored server side? |
| 19:38.30 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 19:38.45 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: I'll give it a shot when my warrior copy finishes tonight (hopefully) |
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| 19:43.23 | kadrahil | vithos: http://wowwebstats.com/vy2fi1loy63no |
| 19:43.26 | kadrahil | vithos: i'm so terrible :( |
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| 19:43.47 | kadrahil | vithos: recount said i did 1980 dps on teron but wws said i did 2.1k |
| 19:43.55 | kadrahil | i'm not sure which to believe |
| 19:44.25 | NivFreak | both tend to be unreliable ;) |
| 19:44.31 | NivFreak | in different ways |
| 19:44.32 | kadrahil | :( |
| 19:44.51 | vithos | one of those numbers is your damage / your personal dps time, the other is your damage / the raid's dps time |
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| 19:45.14 | kadrahil | hm |
| 19:45.36 | kadrahil | so what you're saying is |
| 19:45.36 | vithos | you use 3:2 with KC? |
| 19:45.39 | kadrahil | yes |
| 19:45.43 | vithos | how :( |
| 19:45.51 | kadrahil | i don't chain very many steadies |
| 19:45.56 | kadrahil | maybe 2 tops sometimes |
| 19:46.01 | vithos | every time i try, i get like 8 steadies in a row |
| 19:46.07 | kadrahil | i have 53 haste too |
| 19:46.09 | vithos | i haven't been able to use KC for a month |
| 19:46.14 | kadrahil | ouch |
| 19:46.15 | vithos | no matter how much haste i have, or how little |
| 19:46.28 | vithos | with or without DST/QS |
| 19:46.31 | kadrahil | hmm |
| 19:46.36 | kadrahil | i still don't have a dst |
| 19:46.37 | kadrahil | i suck |
| 19:46.48 | kadrahil | i've lost the roll to enhance shamans twice |
| 19:47.03 | Wraithan | kadrahil: class? |
| 19:47.14 | kadrahil | Wraithan: hunter |
| 19:47.42 | Wraithan | I have lose rolls on DST to 3 rogues and 4 hunters |
| 19:47.46 | Wraithan | lost* |
| 19:48.01 | kadrahil | :( |
| 19:48.09 | NivFreak | hrmm |
| 19:48.13 | Wraithan | I am an enh shaman |
| 19:48.13 | NivFreak | so there's an addon called threatening |
| 19:48.19 | NivFreak | using the new wrath threat api |
| 19:48.32 | kadrahil | oh really? |
| 19:48.43 | NivFreak | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10091-0.03.html |
| 19:48.49 | kadrahil | has blizzard released a threat UI yet? i didn't notice |
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| 19:48.57 | NivFreak | kadrahil: it's been in SCT and tooltips |
| 19:49.01 | kadrahil | ah |
| 19:50.11 | Odlaw | i saw a threat mod on wowinterface |
| 19:50.18 | Odlaw | zthreatmeter or something |
| 19:51.32 | NivFreak | that one just shows you red/orange/yellow |
| 19:51.36 | NivFreak | not even per target I don't think |
| 19:51.55 | NivFreak | or maybe I'm reading this wrong |
| 19:52.05 | NivFreak | yea, I am |
| 19:52.18 | NivFreak | I'll have to give these two a shot |
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| 20:04.05 | NivFreak | apparently diamonthreatmeter works too |
| 20:04.17 | NivFreak | and NugThreat |
| 20:07.18 | NivFreak | seems like DTM is the most promosing |
| 20:07.46 | CIA-58 | 03Mera-92869 * r34 10OneCompanion/ (10 files in 3 dirs): |
| 20:07.46 | CIA-58 | OneCompanion: |
| 20:07.46 | CIA-58 | -added option to change border styles |
| 20:07.46 | CIA-58 | -fixed a tooltip not hiding |
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| 20:15.29 | Industrial | pokes Ellipsis with his largehardoncollider |
| 20:15.32 | Industrial | har har har |
| 20:16.44 | nevcairiel | the word is hadron |
| 20:16.46 | nevcairiel | not hardon |
| 20:16.47 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 20:16.57 | Industrial | no shit :P |
| 20:17.11 | Industrial | nevcairiel: largehardoncollider.com |
| 20:21.30 | SunTsu | http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2131/freemanae8.jpg |
| 20:21.54 | Industrial | haha nice |
| 20:21.59 | Fisker- | indeed Industrial |
| 20:22.05 | Fisker- | i was about to link that myself |
| 20:22.15 | Fisker- | now you may live another day |
| 20:23.30 | Ellipsis | eats Industrial |
| 20:24.08 | digmouse | ~seen apoco |
| 20:24.09 | purl | apoco <i=Apoco@adsl-99-162-57-237.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 48d 14h 32m 59s ago, saying: 'Arrowmaster: pm'. |
| 20:24.22 | digmouse | ah where is he |
| 20:25.56 | Industrial | Ellipsis: woo you win at innuendo. |
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| 20:27.12 | Ellipsis | ;) |
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| 20:42.25 | Dezzimal | why would people crapflood this channel |
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| 20:42.30 | Hjalte | Shooo! |
| 20:42.32 | Ellipsis | because they're dumb |
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| 20:42.49 | Hjalte | scared the bots away |
| 20:42.54 | Dezzimal | are they angry with ckknight for abandoning their favorite mod? |
| 20:43.04 | [Ammo] | I have no idea |
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| 20:43.06 | ckknight | which mod is this? |
| 20:43.07 | [Ammo] | but +r should keep em out |
| 20:43.19 | t | [Ammo]: not sure if you saw but I set +R also |
| 20:43.41 | [Ammo] | I saw but not sure if it worked ohwell |
| 20:43.45 | [Ammo] | I thought +r did the trick ) |
| 20:43.49 | t | aye |
| 20:43.49 | [Ammo] | tuned in too late I guess |
| 20:44.08 | [Ammo] | saw a pile of spam on the corner of my screen |
| 20:44.09 | Thrae | Sometimes they just randomly look for channels to flood by the number of people in them. |
| 20:44.26 | Dezzimal | well I don't know about you guys but my productivity is hindered, what the hell do I do now :( |
| 20:44.27 | Wraithan | ckknight: that distributed project, that goign to happen soon? |
| 20:44.38 | ckknight | what distributed project? |
| 20:44.42 | Megalon | Zwt |
| 20:44.43 | Maldivia | Thrae: well, atleast I have 3 new passwords now :) |
| 20:44.49 | Wraithan | the stuff for the site |
| 20:44.49 | Hjalte | Dezzimal: I actually get more done when robots are spamming this channel :\ |
| 20:44.49 | Megalon | oops :o |
| 20:45.02 | Thrae | Maldivia: Bah, KeePass owns |
| 20:45.03 | ckknight | Wraithan: oh, no, not gonna happen, I finished. |
| 20:45.11 | ckknight | thanks for offering, though |
| 20:45.24 | Wraithan | ckknight: np |
| 20:45.37 | ckknight | yea, using some fun hackery, 18 days went to 13 hours |
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| 20:46.30 | Industrial | http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html |
| 20:46.36 | Wraithan | ckknight: ah nice |
| 20:47.18 | NeoTron | ckknight: man removing that "sleep 3600" between each operation helped eh? |
| 20:47.50 | ckknight | NeoTron: actually it was fsync() |
| 20:47.59 | NeoTron | makes sense |
| 20:48.06 | ckknight | running on a ramdisk makes fsync() take no time |
| 20:48.13 | ckknight | and we collapsed empty revisions, saving more time |
| 20:48.25 | ckknight | and we were able to multithread it since it wasn't as IO bound |
| 20:52.33 | Valhallaresa | nice Industrial.. So if this place causes the world to explode, we'll know why about 2 seconds in advance. ;P |
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| 20:53.11 | Valhallaresa | lol.. just saw it now. |
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| 20:54.02 | Industrial | Valhallaresa: :-) |
| 20:54.21 | Primer | Ellipsis: So I noticed that in pitbull's config, "enable"ling an extra unit causes the button to be removed |
| 20:54.29 | Primer | so surely there must be a way to do what I want |
| 20:54.43 | Ellipsis | yes and no |
| 20:54.53 | Ellipsis | the list of things that populates those buttons is returned by a function |
| 20:55.04 | Ellipsis | the display is refreshed when you click something, which calls the function again |
| 20:56.21 | Ellipsis | as I said before, if you use a function to return a different "current value" for the second dropdown based on what's in the first, you should be ok |
| 20:57.09 | Primer | I must need coffee... |
| 20:58.26 | Ellipsis | it's not the design I'd go with, but it's probably the closest you'll get to what you are looking for |
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| 21:01.02 | Zyndrome | damnit purl, brown noser |
| 21:03.01 | Primer | Ellipsis: I have the drop downs "working" |
| 21:03.23 | Primer | I can assign the profile I want for every instance |
| 21:03.34 | Primer | I've verified this by simply dumping MyAddon.db.profile |
| 21:08.11 | Primer | heh, the set event doesn't happen when one selects the current selection |
| 21:08.48 | Ellipsis | is that a problem? |
| 21:08.52 | Ellipsis | just have it default to blank :P |
| 21:09.49 | Fisker- | slaps Ellipsis around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:10.03 | Primer | When configuring, yes |
| 21:10.07 | Ellipsis | yes Fisker-, attention, etc. |
| 21:10.40 | Primer | I select WSG, select 10 man, then got to Kara, and the second drop down is already on 10 man, and to assign it I have to select something other than 10 man, then back to 10 man |
| 21:10.53 | Primer | s/got to/go to/ |
| 21:11.15 | Dezzimal | tricky |
| 21:11.18 | Primer | heh, anyhow, this is working |
| 21:11.29 | Primer | Hurray for another addon where I'll be the only user! |
| 21:11.37 | Kaelten | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/fe1aa6e70621a5b2b33dd674e8c647ff.png |
| 21:11.46 | NivFreak | Primer: what's this one? |
| 21:12.15 | Fisker- | 26ms? |
| 21:12.20 | Fisker- | You should feel bad Kaelten! |
| 21:12.24 | Fisker- | teehee |
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| 21:12.38 | Fisker- | whats with the showing of emails? >:3 |
| 21:12.51 | Kaelten | Fisker-: lol, :P |
| 21:12.53 | Kaelten | Fisker-: only admins will see that |
| 21:12.55 | Kaelten | its just in my mockup |
| 21:13.57 | Primer | NivFreak: PitBull_ProfileSwitcher |
| 21:14.22 | NivFreak | ah |
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| 21:14.50 | Primer | svn --username=anon ls https://svn.sh.nu/daniel/PitBull_ProfileSwitcher |
| 21:14.51 | NivFreak | does it just auto-switch? |
| 21:14.54 | Primer | if you're interested |
| 21:15.04 | Primer | yeah |
| 21:15.24 | Primer | When I enter WSG, it switches to my profile named '10man' |
| 21:15.26 | NivFreak | I don't think I have any real need for that |
| 21:15.32 | Primer | most wouldn't |
| 21:15.49 | Primer | but I'm very picky with my UI |
| 21:15.52 | NivFreak | I don't use pitbull for raid/party frames |
| 21:15.57 | Primer | I do |
| 21:16.03 | NivFreak | I use it for player/target/targettarget/focus/MTs |
| 21:16.10 | NivFreak | and pets |
| 21:16.12 | Primer | Allow me to demonstrate |
| 21:16.18 | NivFreak | I use grid for party/raid |
| 21:16.33 | Primer | I find grid too minimalistic |
| 21:16.38 | Primer | Let me show you 3 screen shots |
| 21:16.42 | Ellipsis | NivFreak: what's your point? he already said it was something he doubted anyone else would want/use :P |
| 21:17.01 | Primer | http://www.theredemptionguild.net/modules.php?name=gallery2&g2_itemId=1661&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 |
| 21:17.06 | NivFreak | Ellipsis: I wasn't making a point, I was asking a question, and having a disucussion to see if I should dig any deeper |
| 21:17.34 | Primer | which I'm more than willing to explain! :) |
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| 21:17.52 | Primer | anyhow, if you'll kindly look at the screen shot, you'll see my 40 man profile |
| 21:17.54 | NivFreak | Primer: I agree with your comments in some ways, but it's excellent at hilighting raid status debuffs that most other frames fail at, and I've never managed to work both into my UI without it being cluttered |
| 21:18.22 | NivFreak | wow, that's a lot of space used :) |
| 21:18.38 | Primer | NivFreak: well, I've customized it to the point where I can see debuffs in my 25 man and 10 man profiles |
| 21:18.51 | Primer | but it would get very cluttered if I did that in my 40 man profile |
| 21:18.56 | Primer | http://www.theredemptionguild.net/modules.php?name=gallery2&g2_itemId=1664&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 |
| 21:19.01 | Primer | that's the 25 man profile |
| 21:19.15 | Primer | http://www.theredemptionguild.net/modules.php?name=gallery2&g2_itemId=1667&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 |
| 21:19.21 | Primer | and there's the 10 man profile |
| 21:19.25 | NivFreak | yea, we just have different tastes in UI |
| 21:19.40 | Primer | The 10 man SS is lacking, as there are no pets |
| 21:19.52 | NivFreak | I want all the information, but I don't want to lose screen space |
| 21:19.54 | Primer | but I have pets enabled in the 10 man profile |
| 21:20.03 | NivFreak | I also don't care about most buffs/debuffs |
| 21:20.04 | Primer | as well as buffs I can provide |
| 21:20.06 | NivFreak | just very specific ones |
| 21:20.12 | NivFreak | aka, fel rages, spines, etc etc |
| 21:20.23 | Primer | well |
| 21:20.28 | Primer | Do you play a healer class? |
| 21:20.28 | NivFreak | I wonder if I have any decent screenshots of my UI |
| 21:20.39 | NivFreak | one of my alts is a priest |
| 21:20.46 | NivFreak | but in general my focus is tanking |
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| 21:20.49 | Primer | On my warlock, most of this is useless |
| 21:20.56 | Primer | other than the spines, fel rage, etc |
| 21:21.11 | Primer | but on my priest, I need to know 1) who has aggro that shouldn't (pitbull does this) |
| 21:21.18 | Primer | 2) who needs heals |
| 21:21.19 | NivFreak | I've raided through most of BT on my CoH priest at one time or another |
| 21:21.28 | Primer | 3) Who's got a debuff I can handle |
| 21:21.29 | Primer | etc |
| 21:21.30 | Adirelle | er... got something weird, could a secure button become unprotected ? |
| 21:21.35 | NivFreak | Primer: yea, I get all that via grid |
| 21:22.01 | Primer | How is aggro shown in Grid? |
| 21:22.03 | NivFreak | grid + zomgbuffs do pretty much everything I need on my priest |
| 21:22.04 | Primer | I'm curious |
| 21:22.13 | NivFreak | Primer: you decide, I use a red frame indicator |
| 21:22.35 | Primer | Can grid show when a healer is oom? |
| 21:22.39 | NivFreak | yes |
| 21:22.42 | Primer | I figured |
| 21:22.46 | NivFreak | I use a blue frame to indicate that |
| 21:22.50 | NivFreak | when they reach a low mana point |
| 21:23.02 | NivFreak | grid is very powerful |
| 21:23.02 | Wraithan | I use xperl *shrug* |
| 21:23.06 | Primer | Thing is, ever example of Grid that I've ever seen has always seemed so minimalistic to me |
| 21:23.22 | NivFreak | Primer: it's very much like pitbull |
| 21:23.29 | NivFreak | powerful but fucking painful to get tweaked the way you want it |
| 21:23.31 | Wraithan | but when I am raiding usually not healig unless 2-3 healers go down |
| 21:23.41 | Primer | as in, a small blinking square in the middle of a box with the first 2 letters of the person's name in it |
| 21:23.50 | NivFreak | it takes people on average ~3 hours to get grid to a useful state for themselves |
| 21:23.56 | Primer | heh |
| 21:23.58 | NivFreak | Primer: all of that can be changed |
| 21:23.59 | Wraithan | or if for some reason I can't be in close to the mob dps, I will heal |
| 21:24.05 | Primer | it took me much longer to get pitbull to how I want it |
| 21:24.26 | Primer | And grid fades for range checking? |
| 21:24.30 | NivFreak | yep |
| 21:24.42 | Adirelle | anyone get something like that : http://ace.pastey.net/95801 |
| 21:24.56 | NivFreak | let me see if I can find a decent screenshot of it duing a raid for you |
| 21:24.58 | NivFreak | from my config |
| 21:25.02 | Primer | ok |
| 21:26.49 | NivFreak | hrmm |
| 21:26.54 | NivFreak | I have some older ones that are ok |
| 21:26.58 | NivFreak | but missing a couple of my tweaks |
| 21:27.07 | Primer | anyhow, the only reason I pursued adding the menu UI options was because a few people expressed interest in it here as I was discussing it a few days ago |
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| 21:29.33 | e2x | guys, any group mailer addon? |
| 21:29.50 | e2x | need to send a few ingame mails to 7-8 people |
| 21:31.11 | NeoTron | so here's a concept - make a grid configurator/preset tool to same the average user 3 hrs! |
| 21:32.47 | Primer | woa, wtf! |
| 21:33.07 | Primer | Ellipsis: The second drop down is changing automatically! |
| 21:34.18 | Primer | as I select the first one |
| 21:34.20 | NivFreak | Primer: I can't find any GREAT screenshots of my grid in action, but here's a couple simple ones (not really showing a lot of the debuffs/indicators I use sadly) |
| 21:34.24 | Adirelle | damn it, I need some help here, I've got an ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED on a secure button, and I can catch why |
| 21:34.26 | NivFreak | http://casualcorps.com/pics/fun/quick.jpg |
| 21:34.28 | NivFreak | http://casualcorps.com/pics/fun/quick2.jpg |
| 21:34.48 | Adirelle | can't* |
| 21:34.56 | Ellipsis | grats Primer :) |
| 21:34.59 | NivFreak | I normally show health deficit below name, but I had it set wrong in those |
| 21:35.22 | Zyndrome | buttans |
| 21:35.23 | NivFreak | NeoTron: we've been talking about that |
| 21:35.40 | Primer | yeah, I was gonna say |
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| 21:35.48 | Primer | how do you see the name when their health is low |
| 21:35.56 | NivFreak | it's not really there anymore |
| 21:35.58 | NivFreak | ;P |
| 21:36.01 | e2x | any ideas? addon to send ingame mails to a group of people? |
| 21:36.05 | NivFreak | it goes to center text 2 |
| 21:36.11 | NivFreak | and you set priorites for indicators |
| 21:36.30 | Primer | So can grid show raid icons on party members? |
| 21:36.38 | NivFreak | yea, I show those |
| 21:36.43 | NivFreak | see the first one |
| 21:36.51 | NivFreak | square on top is on him, to the right is targetting it |
| 21:36.52 | Primer | I see 2 people with square |
| 21:36.57 | Primer | ahhh |
| 21:37.01 | NivFreak | it's all customizable |
| 21:37.03 | Wraithan | e2x: in less than 2 mintues I found 2, you fail at the internet. |
| 21:37.04 | NivFreak | which is the blessing and curse |
| 21:37.08 | Primer | guess that dude didn't do his job |
| 21:37.13 | Primer | since his target is dead |
| 21:37.16 | Primer | ok, one more thing |
| 21:37.16 | NivFreak | haha |
| 21:37.20 | e2x | did you tryed them? |
| 21:37.21 | Adirelle | and it works once the error has been spited... |
| 21:37.30 | e2x | becouse they dont work |
| 21:37.33 | Primer | Do mouseover events work with grid? |
| 21:37.35 | e2x | you fail at testing |
| 21:37.43 | Primer | are they fully equivalent to unit frames? |
| 21:37.43 | NivFreak | Primer: grid is just the frames :) |
| 21:37.45 | Antiarc | So, I'm sure you all have seen this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/8297787@N03/2845861422/sizes/l/ |
| 21:37.48 | NivFreak | yes |
| 21:37.53 | Primer | yeah |
| 21:37.57 | NivFreak | so most people use it with clique |
| 21:37.57 | Primer | makes sense |
| 21:37.58 | Antiarc | However, I'm pretty sure we're screwed now. |
| 21:37.59 | Antiarc | http://i35.tinypic.com/256fu4g.jpg |
| 21:38.02 | NivFreak | and you can use mouseover macros etc |
| 21:38.05 | Primer | I don't use clique |
| 21:38.07 | Primer | I hate clicking |
| 21:38.23 | NivFreak | yea, you should get over that ;) |
| 21:38.29 | Primer | I have mouseover macros for all healing/dispels |
| 21:38.29 | NivFreak | it gives you better reactiontimes |
| 21:38.37 | NivFreak | oh |
| 21:38.37 | Primer | negative |
| 21:38.40 | NivFreak | that works pretty well too |
| 21:38.44 | Primer | hehe |
| 21:38.47 | NivFreak | so you're not anti-mouse |
| 21:38.49 | NivFreak | just anti-click |
| 21:39.13 | NivFreak | I tend to set my target to a tank or person of interest |
| 21:39.18 | NivFreak | while I heal other people with clicks |
| 21:39.25 | Primer | yeah, I have everything mapped to key combos, and most of them are mouseover macros |
| 21:39.31 | NivFreak | and then fall back to keyboard for braindead hit my target reaction speeds |
| 21:39.37 | NivFreak | yea, those will work fine |
| 21:41.14 | Antiarc | We are bringing the Beta realms down starting at 2:45 PM PDT to perform maintenance and to apply a patch. We anticipate a downtime of approximately 6 hours. |
| 21:41.26 | Dashkal | cheers |
| 21:41.55 | NeoTron | this patch will fix warlocks! or something |
| 21:42.29 | Adirelle | anyone experienced with SecureActionButtonTemplate ? |
| 21:42.49 | NivFreak | !@# |
| 21:42.53 | NivFreak | seriously? |
| 21:42.57 | NivFreak | haha |
| 21:42.58 | NivFreak | fuck |
| 21:43.08 | NivFreak | hopefully my char copy will go through in the meantime |
| 21:43.13 | Hjalte | Tekkub: I read the thread on wowinterface, what auction addon(s) are you using? |
| 21:43.43 | Tekkub | tekauc |
| 21:43.48 | NivFreak | Primer: anyway, I went from x-perl frames -> healbot -> grid/clique over the years |
| 21:44.09 | NivFreak | and I've really never found anything CLOSE to grid since I got it tweaked the way I like it |
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| 21:45.51 | NeoTron | Tekkub: tekauc? never heard of it? who could the author be?! |
| 21:46.24 | NeoTron | seriously, alternatives to auctioneer would be welcome |
| 21:46.50 | NivFreak | I'm not very with auctioneer now days |
| 21:47.01 | NivFreak | very happy even |
| 21:47.49 | Primer | NivFreak: I pretty much started with PitBull |
| 21:47.57 | NeoTron | I like batch posting, memorized pricing and the improved listings (sorting by "typical value" although primarily sorting by buyout rather than bid price) |
| 21:48.02 | Primer | I've only been playing since shortly after BC came out though |
| 21:48.13 | NivFreak | Primer: it's more or less the same |
| 21:48.19 | NivFreak | as x-perle |
| 21:48.26 | NivFreak | x-perl even, christ I fail |
| 21:48.33 | NeoTron | quite different actually |
| 21:48.36 | Hjalte | NivFreak: Baud Auction gives you the search look of auctioneer advanced. I like that a lot. You can list for buyout per item and it goes through all pages, not just the current one. |
| 21:48.44 | NeoTron | xperl is much more "this is my look" vs "make it look however you wish" |
| 21:48.46 | NivFreak | NeoTron: for our purposes in this discussion, not really |
| 21:48.55 | NeoTron | if you don't like xperl as it is out of the box, you won't like xperl |
| 21:49.08 | NivFreak | that's not quite true, but not far off either |
| 21:49.14 | NivFreak | which is why I replaced it |
| 21:49.17 | NeoTron | it's close enough |
| 21:49.20 | Ellipsis | if you don't like xperl's LOOKS out of the box, you mean |
| 21:49.24 | NeoTron | yes |
| 21:49.26 | Ellipsis | the functionality is pretty configurable, all things considered |
| 21:49.26 | NeoTron | that |
| 21:49.56 | NivFreak | x-perl is a pretty decent if you're one of those folks who doesn't like to tweak thier UI more than play the game |
| 21:50.08 | NivFreak | pitbull is sort of the other side of the spectrum |
| 21:50.27 | NivFreak | I'm somewhere in between |
| 21:50.34 | NivFreak | I have major things I dislike about both |
| 21:50.57 | NivFreak | but most of the things I dislike about pitbull go away once you have it setup the way you like it |
| 21:53.30 | Wraithan | NeoTron: I use auctioneer + spreadsheets |
| 21:53.42 | NeoTron | I made tons o gold on gem cutting |
| 21:53.49 | NeoTron | using auctioneer and my memory |
| 21:54.07 | NeoTron | and some minor spreadsheeting to see if it was worth to further process the remnants of prospecting |
| 21:54.19 | NeoTron | reminds me, prospector for milling would be ftw |
| 21:54.48 | NivFreak | hrmm |
| 21:55.12 | Wraithan | yeah a good portion of my spreadsheets are tradeskill stuff for the AH, conversions and making this or that |
| 21:55.15 | NivFreak | I need to make friends with an inscriptor on northrend |
| 21:55.21 | NivFreak | I'm going to need some glyphs |
| 21:55.37 | NeoTron | I got almost all the herbs needed for pre-northrend inscription |
| 21:55.45 | NeoTron | what I need to decide is whether or not to do this pre-northrend |
| 21:55.55 | NeoTron | most likely not since I have mining on my lock and want to mine to help level JC |
| 21:56.06 | smcn | NivFreak: the proper term is "scribe"! |
| 21:56.07 | NivFreak | yea, my farming alts are on different account |
| 21:56.08 | NivFreak | s |
| 21:56.13 | NivFreak | smcn: perhaps ;) |
| 21:56.18 | NeoTron | or perhaps more likely.. to sell the ore while leveling making a major amount of cash from people that buy ore to level their tradeskills :P |
| 21:56.24 | smcn | i was actually pondering that yesterday |
| 21:56.33 | smcn | but anyways, http://i36.tinypic.com/2kinw4.jpg |
| 21:56.40 | NeoTron | i did that in BC making 40g+ on fel iron ore etc |
| 21:56.42 | NivFreak | hahaha |
| 21:56.43 | NivFreak | nice |
| 21:56.54 | NivFreak | NeoTron: I sold all my ore while leveling |
| 21:56.55 | Stanzilla | I just sold a mage t6 chest token at the vendor :( |
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| 21:57.04 | NivFreak | made a killing |
| 21:57.16 | NivFreak | Stanzilla: we get some much vanq... it's disgusting |
| 21:57.19 | NivFreak | so much |
| 21:57.22 | NeoTron | I also had skinning which was a major source of gold |
| 21:57.24 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 21:57.41 | NivFreak | NeoTron: I had an herbalist I did that with as well, but ore sold much better on my server |
| 21:57.54 | NivFreak | I with I had more than 1 beta key |
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| 21:57.59 | NeoTron | herbs might be a big hit now |
| 21:58.04 | NivFreak | all of my 70s are on seperate accounts |
| 21:58.09 | Adirelle | randomly selects a target. |
| 21:58.13 | NeoTron | I have 2 herbers, 1 miner, 1 skinner atm |
| 21:58.15 | NivFreak | and I don't really want to pay $25 to xfer them to my main account and copy |
| 21:58.32 | Wraithan | I don't have an herber so I am just buying the stuff that is undermarket for current prices, since post wotlk all of it will go up so the profit margin will jum[ |
| 21:58.36 | Adirelle | Ellipsis: I'm quite sure you're a SecureActionButtonTemplate guru, I have some question for you |
| 21:58.50 | NeoTron | herb prices on my server already seem really high |
| 21:58.58 | NivFreak | well |
| 21:59.04 | Wraithan | they are higher yeah, but they are not as high as they are going to get |
| 21:59.09 | NivFreak | herb prices are pretty high atm because of dailies and raiding |
| 21:59.21 | NivFreak | tons of gold flooding in, and most of it gets spent on raiding consumables ;P |
| 21:59.26 | Ellipsis | Adirelle: I'm quite sure you're mistaken |
| 21:59.31 | Megalon | herb will probably get the most boost in price |
| 21:59.38 | Megalon | as did ores in tbc, because of JCing |
| 22:00.06 | NivFreak | it'll be interesting to see where the prices on glyphs settle at |
| 22:00.07 | Adirelle | Ellipsis: or maybe do you know some SecureActionButtonTemplate guru ? |
| 22:00.31 | NivFreak | I'm curious to see if they will be the type of thing you dread replacing, or switch a coule of times per raid |
| 22:00.40 | NeoTron | Megalon: except ofc you will still need ore for JC and all the other ones |
| 22:01.02 | Megalon | NeoTron: but inscription will be THE NEW thing in town |
| 22:01.08 | NeoTron | the main difference to the herb market is that previosly obscure herbs will go up in price |
| 22:01.13 | Megalon | that just attracts the masses |
| 22:01.21 | NeoTron | like arthras' tears |
| 22:01.28 | NeoTron | firebloom |
| 22:01.30 | Megalon | the hardcores will already have all mats banked |
| 22:01.30 | NeoTron | etc |
| 22:01.38 | NeoTron | yeah I'm close |
| 22:01.46 | NeoTron | need like 3-4 more stacks for up-to-300 |
| 22:01.48 | Megalon | to go straight to goldclover etc. |
| 22:01.56 | NeoTron | and I have a TON of outlands herbs, more than enough for 375 I gather |
| 22:01.57 | Ellipsis | Adirelle: nevcairiel perhaps? :P |
| 22:01.57 | NivFreak | I don't see myself dropping blacksmithing or enchanting on my warrior |
| 22:02.07 | NivFreak | considering I can add sockets to my gear... |
| 22:02.09 | Adirelle | erf, he is afk... |
| 22:02.13 | NivFreak | and enchanting is just always nice |
| 22:02.27 | Megalon | and all guild will have hi demands on glyph at the beginning, so prices will be pretty high, very high i think |
| 22:02.46 | NeoTron | due to the relative cheapness of the skill compared to, say, leveling JC |
| 22:02.52 | NeoTron | I suspect prices won't be that amazingly high |
| 22:02.54 | Wraithan | I am looking forward to selling enchants in the AH |
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| 22:03.53 | NivFreak | I was thinking about that |
| 22:03.55 | NivFreak | and honestly |
| 22:04.01 | NivFreak | I make a lot of money sitting around in org right now |
| 22:04.06 | NivFreak | doing nothing but clicking a couple buttons |
| 22:04.19 | NivFreak | 10-25G per enchant, thier mats |
| 22:04.21 | NivFreak | they come to me |
| 22:04.52 | NeoTron | I have 17.5k gold. I had almost 30k gold at some point but one epic flying mount (and normal flying), and just a whole bunch of careless spending and wiping on muru etc has drained it at an alarming rate |
| 22:05.03 | NeoTron | although it's pretty silly to feel "poor" with 17k gold :P |
| 22:05.12 | NivFreak | I'm fairly down on gold atm |
| 22:05.16 | Groktar | spits on muru |
| 22:05.23 | NivFreak | but I'm up to 4 epic flyers ;P |
| 22:05.39 | NivFreak | and I've been so far ahead in gold that I haven't been doing anything to make it for a while |
| 22:05.48 | Zyndrome | Muru smells of used condoms |
| 22:06.00 | Zyndrome | as he rapes us every single week |
| 22:06.15 | kadrahil | NeoTron: i'm at 2k gold :( |
| 22:06.18 | Groktar | my guild has killed him 4 times and still likes to wipe on him like mad |
| 22:06.34 | Groktar | specifically by screwing up when muru is at 3% |
| 22:06.35 | Zyndrome | but not long until 3.0.2 now!!1 |
| 22:06.45 | Wraithan | I need to rebuild my fortune, I am down to like 1k |
| 22:06.52 | kadrahil | what zyndrome |
| 22:07.00 | Zyndrome | or "soon" :p |
| 22:07.04 | Zyndrome | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=15587.0 |
| 22:07.09 | NeoTron | NivFreak: I have 3 |
| 22:07.24 | kadrahil | oh, the beta servers are down |
| 22:07.29 | kadrahil | i guess that's patch time? : |
| 22:07.30 | kadrahil | :P |
| 22:07.32 | Zyndrome | yes |
| 22:07.38 | Zyndrome | "We are bringing the Beta realms down starting at 2:45 PM PDT to perform maintenance and to apply a patch. We anticipate a downtime of approximately 6 hours." |
| 22:07.55 | NeoTron | Zyndrome: there will be quite a long time till we get 3.0.2 on live still. it's not even on the PTR |
| 22:08.10 | Groktar | they should nerf sunwelll radiance in 3.0.2, imo |
| 22:08.11 | Zyndrome | I am still taking a break until the content-patch arrives |
| 22:08.17 | NivFreak | Groktar: they are going to have to |
| 22:08.22 | NivFreak | with all the avoidance they stripped off t6 |
| 22:08.31 | Groktar | ya, it's like 6% |
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| 22:08.41 | NeoTron | sunwell radiance unfortunately doesn't help with twins and beyond afaik |
| 22:08.47 | NivFreak | I'm waiting on my copy to finish and see how much I lost |
| 22:08.48 | NeoTron | most definitely not muru |
| 22:09.10 | NivFreak | so, when does sunwell radiance get triggered |
| 22:09.13 | Groktar | i just don't want to start wiping on brut again |
| 22:09.16 | kadrahil | hm |
| 22:09.21 | NeoTron | afaik for the first 3 |
| 22:09.21 | NivFreak | Groktar: good luck :) |
| 22:09.27 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.29 | kadrahil | are they nerfing drums in this patch? |
| 22:09.36 | Groktar | ya |
| 22:09.39 | kadrahil | fail |
| 22:09.43 | Zyndrome | the 3.x patch will nerf that shit |
| 22:09.44 | NivFreak | NeoTron: but they aren't up for the trash, so is it when you pull kalecgos? |
| 22:09.47 | kadrahil | dropping LW then! |
| 22:09.48 | Zyndrome | so will pots |
| 22:09.55 | NeoTron | I don't know. |
| 22:09.57 | NivFreak | umm |
| 22:09.57 | Aens|Superiority | Groktar: brutallus is going to be easier this patch for sure |
| 22:10.02 | kadrahil | how are pots getting nerfed? i think i missed that |
| 22:10.03 | NivFreak | I think they took the pot debuff back out |
| 22:10.05 | NivFreak | didn't they? |
| 22:10.05 | NeoTron | it's an invisible buff afaik |
| 22:10.06 | kadrahil | i hope so |
| 22:10.13 | Zyndrome | NivFreak: no idea :S |
| 22:10.14 | NivFreak | NeoTron: ah |
| 22:10.19 | kadrahil | i already have to spam mana pots |
| 22:10.21 | kadrahil | as it is |
| 22:10.24 | Aens|Superiority | Groktar: most classes are going to have a dps upgrade in some way, and mostly at the cost of longevity. |
| 22:10.26 | NivFreak | kadrahil: they were getting a CD |
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| 22:10.31 | NivFreak | so you can only use like 1 per fight |
| 22:10.35 | kadrahil | NivFreak: ouch |
| 22:10.43 | NivFreak | it's a good idea |
| 22:10.46 | NivFreak | less consumables == more fun |
| 22:10.50 | kadrahil | i generally use 2 |
| 22:10.52 | kadrahil | sometimes 3 |
| 22:10.55 | Adirelle | slow CIA-58 is slow |
| 22:10.56 | Zyndrome | but since Heroism is raid-wide, it gives you a debuff that you can't receive Heroism again for another 5 minutes |
| 22:10.57 | NivFreak | just like the former flask/elixir changes |
| 22:11.08 | kadrahil | hmm |
| 22:11.24 | kadrahil | this is going to make raiding interesting for sure |
| 22:11.27 | kadrahil | i just got 120 mana pots |
| 22:11.28 | NivFreak | Zyndrome: my paladins hate getting bloodlusted |
| 22:11.28 | kadrahil | :( |
| 22:11.29 | NivFreak | heh |
| 22:11.40 | NivFreak | kadrahil: you have months until this patch hits :P |
| 22:11.42 | Wraithan | Why? |
| 22:11.57 | kadrahil | NivFreak: you mean 3.0.2 for live? |
| 22:11.59 | NivFreak | Wraithan: they apparently can't do anything but spam until they go OOM |
| 22:12.01 | NivFreak | kadrahil: yes |
| 22:12.13 | kadrahil | NivFreak: oh, i thought the background downloading meant it was coming out pretty soon |
| 22:12.16 | Zyndrome | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=53787 <- "Potion Sickness" |
| 22:12.22 | kadrahil | at least i can test it out on beta! |
| 22:12.24 | NivFreak | kadrahil: beta background downloader I think |
| 22:12.36 | harl | is there a way to prevent /played from showing anything in the default chat frame? |
| 22:12.43 | orionshock | u do know why BL is getting nerfed? because people started to stack shammys and other classes started to QQ... |
| 22:12.54 | Maldivia | harl: unregister chat_msg_system :) |
| 22:13.06 | Wraithan | orionshock: our guild didn't try to stack shaman, we got a ton of them naturally |
| 22:13.16 | Aens|Superiority | orionshock: it was an insane buff though. My guild abuses the hell out of it and its just that. |
| 22:13.25 | NeoTron | orionshock: because the impact is too large |
| 22:13.34 | Aens|Superiority | first couple brut kills were with 5-6 shamans in raid |
| 22:13.35 | orionshock | ^^ Case n' Point |
| 22:13.38 | Maldivia | orionshock: about that lib etc we talked about earlier today - lets wait till tomorrow, when I have the new data for this patch :) |
| 22:13.47 | orionshock | Maldivia: np |
| 22:13.56 | NeoTron | there's nothing weird about it, it's clearly a very very strong ability |
| 22:14.01 | Aens|Superiority | the rogues had 4 heroisms our first kill. |
| 22:14.03 | Wraithan | We without recruting for shaman, just by natural recruit folks as they show interested, have 5-8 shaman on each raid |
| 22:14.04 | orionshock | im in no rush, my addon is stable and functional... |
| 22:14.04 | NivFreak | so it clicked with some of our casters last night, that we should stop DEing some healing trinkets |
| 22:14.12 | NivFreak | since they will also be caster trinkets when 3.0 hits |
| 22:14.16 | orionshock | so i wait for someone who knows the math :D |
| 22:14.18 | Maldivia | orionshock: but other than that, converted it into a simple lib this evening, but when I wanted to test the server shut down :) |
| 22:14.32 | kadrahil | i really hope madness drops again tonight |
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| 22:14.38 | kadrahil | we haven't seen one in a while |
| 22:14.43 | Primer | When I drop down a drop down in pitbull's config, and select an option, the act of selecting it never brings the drop down back up. Can someone else please confirm this? |
| 22:14.44 | kadrahil | and i'm hurting for hit |
| 22:15.09 | Groktar | i have heard of these healing trinkets, but have never actually seen one |
| 22:15.17 | kadrahil | :( |
| 22:15.17 | Wraithan | I have already started working out pawn values for gear in wotlk for my shaman |
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| 22:15.31 | harl | Maldivia: that's kind of insufficient. i'd still want to see stuff like server shutdown messages. or auction house messages. |
| 22:15.31 | NeoTron | I wish I had pawn value sfor my DK |
| 22:15.32 | Groktar | i'm still using ribbon of sacrifice/badge one and i'm on kj |
| 22:15.38 | NeoTron | although ofc that's pretty pointless at this point |
| 22:15.40 | kadrahil | groktar, i think madness will still be a decent trinket at 80 :P |
| 22:15.44 | kadrahil | it's so awesome |
| 22:16.10 | Groktar | my warrior won't ever get one |
| 22:16.17 | Groktar | he only got the reject dps gear |
| 22:16.20 | kadrahil | your warrior would've had one first |
| 22:16.23 | kadrahil | if he was in my guild |
| 22:16.29 | kadrahil | because hunters are last for everything |
| 22:16.31 | Groktar | as the main tank? |
| 22:16.34 | kadrahil | oh, no |
| 22:16.37 | Groktar | :) |
| 22:16.40 | kadrahil | our arms warrior got the first one |
| 22:16.44 | kadrahil | i hate officer loot councils |
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| 22:17.01 | Maldivia | harl: unregister, do the played, when you've received the lines, reregister |
| 22:17.05 | Groktar | we have a huntard hitting #1 on kj |
| 22:17.14 | Ellipsis | harl: lifepercent hooks the /played messages, you could check its code |
| 22:17.17 | kadrahil | that's pretty common |
| 22:17.24 | kadrahil | hunters own charts in sunwell |
| 22:17.31 | Maldivia | harl: or add a chat filter, that filters it out - probably the nicest way to do it |
| 22:17.36 | Groktar | since we have the allegedly über 2 bm hunter/surv hunter/feral druid/enhance shaman group |
| 22:17.44 | kadrahil | i love you |
| 22:17.48 | kadrahil | can i join your guild? |
| 22:17.57 | kadrahil | because i'm lucky if i get anything but casters in my group |
| 22:18.06 | Groktar | oh yeah, NOW a huntard wants to join |
| 22:18.06 | Wraithan | I get tank group usually |
| 22:18.12 | Wraithan | as an enhancment shaman |
| 22:18.13 | NivFreak | I'm mean to my hunters too |
| 22:18.14 | Groktar | after we were searching for months |
| 22:18.17 | NivFreak | one in mage group, one in tank group |
| 22:18.24 | kadrahil | NivFreak: :( |
| 22:18.29 | kadrahil | be nice to your hunters |
| 22:18.47 | NivFreak | they just end up being the odd man out |
| 22:18.53 | Wraithan | since the other enhancement shaman is better geared he gets dps group, only the best hunter gets dps group basically in my guild |
| 22:18.54 | kadrahil | did they at least get madness? |
| 22:18.55 | NeoTron | 5that |
| 22:18.56 | Maldivia | harl: something like: ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter("CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM", function(msg) if thisIsPlayed(msg) then return true else return false, msg end end); |
| 22:18.56 | NivFreak | tank group has a resto shaman and feral druid! |
| 22:19.21 | NivFreak | melee group is 2xrogue,1xarms war,1xferal,1xenh shaman |
| 22:19.25 | Wraithan | enhancment shaman is more useful to tank group than a resto, if you have 2 that is where the second should go |
| 22:19.31 | NivFreak | we never have two |
| 22:19.34 | NivFreak | we barely have 1 |
| 22:19.37 | kadrahil | nivfreak that's about what we do |
| 22:19.46 | kadrahil | our melee group is rogue fury arms enhance ret pally |
| 22:19.51 | Maldivia | harl: and then implement a "thisIsPlayed" function, that tests if the string passed as argument is the output for /played |
| 22:19.52 | NivFreak | so then I have a 3xlock,1xresto shaman,1xboomkin group |
| 22:19.54 | Wraithan | We only have one rogue that is consistant and worht puting in dps group |
| 22:19.56 | kadrahil | because the ret pally cries if he doesn't get windfury |
| 22:20.07 | NivFreak | then a 3xmage,1xspriest,1xresto shaman mage group |
| 22:20.23 | Groktar | 3 mages????? |
| 22:20.31 | NivFreak | We're not in sunwell ;P |
| 22:20.38 | Groktar | o, doesn't matter then |
| 22:20.39 | Groktar | hehe |
| 22:20.48 | NivFreak | on illidan atm |
| 22:20.51 | Adirelle | night |
| 22:20.54 | NivFreak | and I just lost my only good spriest |
| 22:20.56 | NivFreak | =( |
| 22:20.59 | Groktar | ah, fine for illidan |
| 22:21.03 | Wraithan | our dps group is usually 2rog, 1hunter, 1enh shaman, ret pal |
| 22:21.07 | NivFreak | so all my locks are now fire destro and bitchy |
| 22:21.08 | Wraithan | melee that is |
| 22:21.24 | Stanzilla | our illidan was fun today http://wowwebstats.com/xldctyjdgdwkk?s=385104-423834 < |
| 22:21.41 | Groktar | it's been ms warrior/ret paladin/2x rogue/enh shaman lately |
| 22:21.45 | Wraithan | my group is usually, tree druid, prot war, prot war, feral(tank) druid, enh shaman (me) |
| 22:22.14 | NeoTron | all this talk makes me realize how amazingly nice WotLK will be |
| 22:22.19 | NivFreak | ick |
| 22:22.20 | NeoTron | "be in whatever group is best for healing" |
| 22:22.23 | NivFreak | two prot warriors in a raid |
| 22:22.38 | Groktar | yeah, i really hate group stacking |
| 22:22.41 | NivFreak | NeoTron: yea, that will be really nice |
| 22:22.42 | NeoTron | no fricking "oh but if we put the hunter there the [..]" crap |
| 22:22.56 | NivFreak | every time I bring a ret pally |
| 22:22.57 | Wraithan | sometimes it is prot pally instead of prot warrior |
| 22:22.59 | NivFreak | my rogues get pissed |
| 22:23.08 | NivFreak | I either boot one of them, or the feral druid |
| 22:23.11 | NivFreak | neither makes them happy |
| 22:23.44 | Groktar | ya, you can't just bring your best players all the time |
| 22:24.33 | NivFreak | right now, I'm really looking forward to wrath in terms of mana batteries |
| 22:24.47 | NivFreak | in the nearly two years since TBC launched |
| 22:24.52 | NivFreak | I've seen 2 good shadow priests |
| 22:25.01 | NivFreak | the rest are barely passible |
| 22:25.09 | NivFreak | and now it's hard to even find a bad one |
| 22:25.21 | Wraithan | We have 1 spriest, and she is no good |
| 22:25.21 | NivFreak | so getting that same function out of a ret pally or survival hunter will be great |
| 22:25.33 | Groktar | spriest so easy |
| 22:25.34 | Groktar | :( |
| 22:25.49 | NivFreak | not really |
| 22:25.52 | Groktar | yarly |
| 22:26.08 | NivFreak | I would argue it's one of the hardest classes to play well |
| 22:26.16 | NivFreak | although very easy to gear |
| 22:26.30 | Groktar | just get a dot timer and win |
| 22:26.36 | Wraithan | Enh shaman are pretty easy to play well |
| 22:26.44 | NivFreak | Groktar: I said well |
| 22:26.44 | Groktar | hehe |
| 22:26.53 | Wraithan | biggest problem I see in the bad ones is that they don't watch omen |
| 22:26.55 | Groktar | ya, enh shaman mostly just autoattack |
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| 22:27.10 | Wraithan | and they forget to drop/refresh totems |
| 22:27.11 | NivFreak | enh shamans aren't bad, but most of them fail at twisting |
| 22:27.24 | Groktar | threat isn't really an issue for a spriest in sunwell |
| 22:27.36 | Wraithan | twisting is easy, just ahrd to keep mana up for longer than 2-3 minutes |
| 22:27.46 | Wraithan | Groktar: talking about enhshaman |
| 22:27.53 | Wraithan | as far as threat goes |
| 22:27.53 | NivFreak | Wraithan: mine doesn't seem to have an issue with it |
| 22:28.18 | NeoTron | threat is an item for SP's on muru |
| 22:28.23 | NivFreak | so I wonder if they just had character copies suspended since a new beta patch was coming today |
| 22:28.28 | NeoTron | and the twins gauntlet :P |
| 22:28.36 | KriLL3 | !points 500 |
| 22:28.37 | Xinhuan | 500 arena points require 1626(5s), 1674(3s) and 1734(2s) team rating. |
| 22:28.38 | Megalon | twisting is like, if there is JoW on the mob, you can do it for 1 week straight, but if it isn't on the mob, you can do for like 2-3minutes ;> |
| 22:29.05 | Wraithan | even poping shamanistic rage every time it pops, and using pots... talented 10k mana every 2 mins |
| 22:29.08 | Groktar | i wouldn't say it's really an issue on muru |
| 22:29.20 | Groktar | for a spriest |
| 22:29.25 | Wraithan | so I could hold it up for 3 minutes and that is it |
| 22:29.51 | Groktar | usually just leave them muru |
| 22:30.22 | Wraithan | then I just leave WF up until I can SR again |
| 22:30.34 | NivFreak | I'm still trying to decide if I'll bother doing kalecgos once we kill illidan |
| 22:31.45 | Wraithan | Megalon: we only have one pally that raids, and he is prot, don't know if that makes him inable to do JoW or however that works, don't know anything about paladins |
| 22:32.10 | NivFreak | I used to have my prot pally keep JoW up |
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| 22:34.56 | Wraithan | twisting will be a moot point in the expansion anyway |
| 22:35.06 | NivFreak | yep |
| 22:35.18 | Megalon | there is no twisting in wotlk |
| 22:35.25 | NivFreak | correct |
| 22:35.27 | Wraithan | Yeah. that is what I mean. |
| 22:35.40 | Wraithan | it will be a moot point, you can't |
| 22:35.50 | NivFreak | ok, so that background downloader post is for the live client |
| 22:35.52 | NivFreak | interesting |
| 22:37.31 | NivFreak | so yea.. |
| 22:37.38 | NivFreak | looking at the glyph of thunderclap |
| 22:37.43 | NivFreak | those mats are super cheap |
| 22:38.06 | harl | what's the string.matches() equivalent in ace? |
| 22:38.16 | NivFreak | like 65s worth of paper, and 4 old world herbs |
| 22:38.54 | Megalon | yea, there are some pretty awesome glyphs |
| 22:39.06 | NivFreak | oh wait, it's like JCing |
| 22:39.14 | NivFreak | so it can come from any one of those herbs |
| 22:39.23 | NivFreak | wow |
| 22:39.25 | NivFreak | that's fucking cheap |
| 22:40.10 | NivFreak | so you could certainly imagine changing glyphs during a raid to tailor yourself to a fight |
| 22:40.26 | NivFreak | the new raiding consumables! |
| 22:40.44 | smcn | hour cooldown |
| 22:41.13 | Corgan | hour cooldown that isn't really a cooldown |
| 22:41.13 | NivFreak | per slot? |
| 22:41.21 | Megalon | yes per slot |
| 22:41.30 | Megalon | every slot has it's own cd |
| 22:41.30 | nuoHep | per glyph |
| 22:41.42 | Dashkal | The cooldowns on inscription are on the specific glyphs. Are they on the slots as well? |
| 22:41.48 | NivFreak | ok, so maybe you do it once or twice per raid ;) |
| 22:41.51 | Megalon | ah on the glyph? |
| 22:41.51 | nuoHep | no it hasnt. only the glyphs have cooldowns atm |
| 22:41.58 | NivFreak | so there you go |
| 22:42.03 | NivFreak | :) |
| 22:42.27 | Dashkal | That's what I thought. So you can only put thunderclap on once an hour. Not likely to be an issue unless you need to move from something else to thunderclap twice in a raid |
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| 22:43.03 | NivFreak | Dashkal: I suspect you'll end up doing it, most raids last more than an hour or two :) |
| 22:43.08 | Dashkal | Seems the might be better off getting rid of the glyph cooldowns and making each slot get a half hour instead. |
| 22:43.12 | Megalon | hehe, but i like how mageroyal is so underused as an inscription mat :P |
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| 22:43.26 | nuoHep | and Incription is really finished till about 75. so the costs will change |
| 22:43.55 | NivFreak | Glyph of Blocking - Increases your block value by 10% for 10 sec after using your Shield Slam ability. |
| 22:43.58 | NivFreak | pure sex |
| 22:44.02 | NivFreak | # Glyph of Resonating Power - Increases the maximum targets affected by your Thunder Clap ability by 4. |
| 22:44.05 | NivFreak | also pure sex |
| 22:44.16 | NivFreak | there's just so many good warrior glyphs |
| 22:44.34 | harl | that stuff kind of breaks the game by itself |
| 22:44.34 | Thrae | NivFreak: But can you turn into a POLAR BEAR? |
| 22:44.40 | NivFreak | Thrae: haha |
| 22:44.54 | Dashkal | Thrae: oh god. please please PLEASE have them take the forms off of glyphs. |
| 22:44.56 | NeoTron | NivFreak: as many good warrior glyphs as there's an almost complete lack of good warlock ones! |
| 22:44.58 | Ellipsis | oh yeah? well I can make my eye of kilrogg FREAKING FLY |
| 22:45.03 | Corgan | ! |
| 22:45.05 | NivFreak | Glyph of Devastate - Your Devastate ability now applies two stacks of Sunder Armor. |
| 22:45.09 | Ellipsis | cries at lame lock glyphs |
| 22:45.09 | NivFreak | NeoTron: agreed |
| 22:45.10 | Thrae | WATCH OUT FLYING EYEBALL! |
| 22:45.25 | NivFreak | I mean really |
| 22:45.30 | Dashkal | Ellipsis: That's actually pretty hot in pvp |
| 22:45.31 | NivFreak | I want to keep pasting cool warrior glyphs |
| 22:45.35 | NivFreak | BUT I"D JUST PASTE THEM ALL |
| 22:45.36 | Hjalte | After starting wow with the updated launcher, my wow addon selection makes the colours underneath look weird :\ http://www.hjalte.com/WoWScrnShot_091108_004234.jpg |
| 22:46.14 | harl | ? |
| 22:46.44 | harl | doesn't see anything wrong |
| 22:46.45 | Hjalte | Umm. It looked weird before. |
| 22:46.50 | Hjalte | ... |
| 22:47.07 | NeoTron | Dashkal: it's almost hotter to FLY on your mount |
| 22:47.11 | NeoTron | like you know, it's faste |
| 22:47.18 | NeoTron | and you'll actually be there! |
| 22:47.52 | harl | what's the string.matches() equivalent in ace? |
| 22:48.00 | Dashkal | NeoTron: I'm considering cases where that's not possible. Mostly for battlegrounds. Yes, they eye can always get there, but it's valuable to get there faster so you spend less time scouting and more time heading to where you found somethign interesting |
| 22:48.14 | NeoTron | but the eye can't fly in battlegrounds |
| 22:48.20 | NeoTron | I guess it might still be faster |
| 22:48.21 | NeoTron | but alas |
| 22:48.29 | NeoTron | make it permanent until canceled |
| 22:48.31 | Dashkal | Ahh, if the eye can't fly, nevermind. Useless |
| 22:48.37 | NivFreak | ugg, I hate not being able to fly over wintergrasp |
| 22:48.39 | NivFreak | :) |
| 22:48.44 | NeoTron | better yet make it long duration and make it work like a sentry totem so you can switch viewpoint on demand |
| 22:48.54 | NeoTron | eye can only fly if the zone allows flying |
| 22:49.11 | Megalon | are there other classes that get glyphs like shamies do |
| 22:49.20 | Dashkal | Well (I haven't been in there so this might not apply), can you make use of it in wintergrasp? |
| 22:49.20 | NivFreak | which ones |
| 22:49.24 | Megalon | like SoE totem also grants 1% crit, flametongue 1% haste |
| 22:49.37 | Megalon | which enhance their group/raidbuffs |
| 22:49.41 | NivFreak | Glyph of Mortal Strike - Increases the damage of your Mortal Strike ability by 10% but the healing penalty is reduced by half. |
| 22:49.45 | NivFreak | oh, group buffs |
| 22:49.53 | NeoTron | not sure about wintergrasp given how it's supposed to be a no fly zone |
| 22:50.06 | Megalon | i mean, SoE with added +1% phys crit, that's quite awesome |
| 22:50.13 | Fisker- | slaps Ellipsis around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:50.20 | Wraithan | :D |
| 22:50.24 | NivFreak | Megalon: not sure |
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| 22:50.28 | Wraithan | I know I will be rocking that ALL the time |
| 22:50.42 | Wraithan | 98 str, 98 agi, 1% crit |
| 22:50.42 | NivFreak | I dislike the +8% hit to taunt glyph |
| 22:50.47 | Megalon | didn't look through all, droods don't get such glyphs |
| 22:50.47 | NivFreak | can we just make taunt not have a retarded hit cap |
| 22:50.57 | NivFreak | I'm waiting for the +8% soul shatter glyph to follow |
| 22:51.12 | NivFreak | instead of fixing the freaking problem |
| 22:51.17 | Megalon | taunt being able to miss in the first place is the failure |
| 22:51.19 | Megalon | >:< |
| 22:51.20 | cncfanatics | why ? |
| 22:51.31 | cncfanatics | taunt ain't suposed to be a 100% reliable oh shit button .. |
| 22:51.35 | cncfanatics | learn to live with that tbh :p |
| 22:51.38 | Wraithan | whoa, Mega, you're face is messed up! |
| 22:51.57 | Wraithan | cncfanatics: isn't it pretty late there? |
| 22:52.07 | NivFreak | cncfanatics: bosses are normally immune anyway, so all it does is save on trash |
| 22:52.13 | NivFreak | so yes, having it fail == lame |
| 22:52.13 | cncfanatics | Wraithan: its 1am only |
| 22:52.17 | Wraithan | Ah |
| 22:52.24 | Megalon | and those bosses that aren't immune |
| 22:52.29 | Wraithan | not used to seeing you on during the afternoon |
| 22:52.32 | Megalon | a failed taunt is just ... |
| 22:52.34 | cncfanatics | my sleeping schedule is 4am -> noon :p |
| 22:52.40 | cncfanatics | so, I'm pretty much always on at this time heh |
| 22:53.43 | Carancu | Kalecgos resisting three taunts in a row, that's a pain ;) |
| 22:54.25 | Maldivia | taunt uses spell hit, right? |
| 22:54.33 | Maldivia | so that should be fixed with 3.x |
| 22:54.33 | NivFreak | no |
| 22:54.35 | Carancu | not anymore. |
| 22:54.37 | NivFreak | taunt uses physical hit |
| 22:54.45 | Maldivia | it used to then? |
| 22:54.45 | NivFreak | but the cap is something high |
| 22:54.47 | selckin | always that 1% |
| 22:54.55 | Megalon | i think for paladins it's a bit more complex |
| 22:54.59 | NivFreak | selckin: no 1% resist in wrath |
| 22:55.06 | Maldivia | well, that 1% is gone in 3.x |
| 22:55.22 | NivFreak | paladin taunt is insane |
| 22:55.29 | NivFreak | so god knows what it uses |
| 22:55.55 | NivFreak | but I'm rocking 160ish hit atm on my prot warrior (can't even shed it) and it's irritating to see an resisted taunt |
| 22:56.22 | NeoTron | kalecgos taunt resisting can wipe the raid |
| 22:56.26 | NeoTron | lolrandomftl |
| 22:56.31 | NivFreak | mocking blow ftw |
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| 22:56.56 | Wraithan | I am not looking forward to having to get some +hit gear... hopefully enough to reach the 100% WF/SS will be easy enough |
| 22:57.06 | NivFreak | warriors and priests have always been my favorite classes because the number of tools we have is larger than other classes in the same roles |
| 22:57.10 | Wraithan | As it is enh shaman hardly use +hit |
| 22:57.19 | Wraithan | it helps, but not as much as other things |
| 22:57.20 | NivFreak | Wraithan: that's because of talents |
| 22:57.23 | NivFreak | your gear will have it |
| 22:57.31 | Wraithan | NivFreak: I know why |
| 22:57.42 | NivFreak | and you'll get your shocks hit capped at the same time |
| 22:57.43 | NivFreak | that's win |
| 22:57.58 | NivFreak | I really don't think hit cap is going to be something you have to try and hit in wrath :P |
| 22:57.58 | Wraithan | not sure how much +hit == 1% at 80 for shaman |
| 22:58.01 | NivFreak | 33 |
| 22:58.08 | Wraithan | 33 that is all? |
| 22:58.14 | NivFreak | yes |
| 22:58.26 | Wraithan | well shit, 100 hit rating is nothing, nothing to worry about |
| 22:58.33 | NivFreak | yep |
| 22:58.50 | Wraithan | shaman only really need 9% hit rating to make yellow never miss |
| 22:59.12 | NivFreak | I'm curious to see what the melee DW hit cap is now |
| 23:00.28 | NeoTron | I still want officianl notes on whether or not the spell hit cap is 9% or not |
| 23:00.43 | NeoTron | I should transfer a premade lock and test it I guess |
| 23:00.52 | NivFreak | not like they have any spell hit :P |
| 23:01.08 | NeoTron | I want zero spell hit for testing purposes |
| 23:01.20 | NivFreak | I'm a fan of doing both |
| 23:01.22 | NivFreak | zero and capped |
| 23:01.29 | NivFreak | because RNG fucks with zero hit |
| 23:01.36 | NivFreak | and capped should always be zero |
| 23:02.11 | NivFreak | but where can you find a +3 lvl mob that you can nuke on a few thousand times |
| 23:02.59 | Camci | premade cahrs is open? :o |
| 23:03.03 | NivFreak | for pvp yes |
| 23:03.06 | NivFreak | on murmur |
| 23:03.10 | NivFreak | of course the beta realms are down atm :P |
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| 23:04.00 | Carancu | aren't the targetdummies considered a boss? even though they only got 1 hp. |
| 23:04.10 | NivFreak | last I heard they were same level |
| 23:04.16 | NivFreak | but I'm not 100% sure |
| 23:04.20 | Antiarc | They have boss dummies, level 80 dummies, and level 1 dummies |
| 23:04.29 | NivFreak | Antiarc: implemented? |
| 23:04.32 | Antiarc | yes |
| 23:04.36 | NivFreak | in darlaran? |
| 23:04.37 | Antiarc | I was beating on them yesterday |
| 23:04.38 | Antiarc | Yes |
| 23:04.39 | NivFreak | k |
| 23:04.42 | KriLL3 | anyone know of an addon that after an arena match shows your +/- rating and possibly the other teams rating in a chat window? tired of clicking away the end screen to queue up again and missing the +/- value |
| 23:04.48 | NivFreak | there were complaints about it when they first went in |
| 23:08.21 | Wraithan | NivFreak: what complaints? |
| 23:08.33 | Wraithan | oh that they weren't properly implemented? |
| 23:08.35 | NivFreak | that the target dummies were only lvl 1 |
| 23:08.40 | Wraithan | Ah I see |
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| 23:09.18 | Maldivia | now the heroic dummies actually have health (so we don't see overkill constantly, so the on damage proc talents also work) |
| 23:09.39 | NivFreak | cool |
| 23:09.53 | NivFreak | I'm going to go beat on one once they are back up I guess |
| 23:10.01 | Megalon | don't all have hp? and you always deal 1 dmg + overkill the rest? |
| 23:10.39 | Ellipsis | doesn't matter for what he's testing anyway |
| 23:10.52 | Ellipsis | boss dummies should still resist spells sometimes with 0 hit |
| 23:11.24 | NivFreak | I've got a priest copied over, I'll just have to go try it out |
| 23:11.43 | Megalon | gl :P well colderra down for serveral hours, cya :) |
| 23:12.27 | NivFreak | I wonder if I'd get in trouble for just scripting it and leaving it nuking for a few hours ;) |
| 23:12.53 | Ellipsis | probably not, it's beta :P |
| 23:12.55 | NivFreak | meh, might be a PITA since you can't downrank |
| 23:13.02 | NeoTron | capped hit would help |
| 23:13.08 | NeoTron | specifically 9% if that Is the cap |
| 23:13.11 | NivFreak | yea |
| 23:13.14 | NeoTron | should as you said never miss then |
| 23:13.17 | NeoTron | however it's not easy to get |
| 23:13.24 | NivFreak | 297 hit rating at 70 right? |
| 23:13.26 | NeoTron | with pvp premades |
| 23:13.30 | Ellipsis | imp soul leech go~ |
| 23:13.40 | NivFreak | you can do this test at 70 neo |
| 23:13.43 | NivFreak | if you have enough hit gear |
| 23:13.44 | NeoTron | no |
| 23:13.56 | Groktar | why not? |
| 23:13.56 | NeoTron | well yes |
| 23:13.58 | NeoTron | but not alone |
| 23:14.00 | Ellipsis | there's no 73 dummies :P |
| 23:14.01 | NivFreak | 297 hit |
| 23:14.06 | NivFreak | Ellipsis: bosses are +3 |
| 23:14.07 | NeoTron | I run out of mana/health |
| 23:14.14 | Ellipsis | true, but he'd have to get to dalaran |
| 23:14.19 | NivFreak | NeoTron: put up syphon life? :P |
| 23:14.24 | NivFreak | Ellipsis: easy |
| 23:14.48 | NivFreak | mage port |
| 23:14.48 | NeoTron | without gear... |
| 23:14.48 | Ellipsis | dark pact |
| 23:14.48 | NeoTron | need a void walker |
| 23:14.48 | NivFreak | or just pause and regen |
| 23:14.49 | NivFreak | :P |
| 23:14.49 | NeoTron | he'd go OOM |
| 23:14.49 | Ellipsis | your pet's mana pool is still big without gear |
| 23:14.51 | NeoTron | well the testing I did was on a real mob that hit back |
| 23:15.08 | Ellipsis | yeah, testing on a dummy will be easier on mana/health |
| 23:15.19 | Groktar | can't you just spam a curse? |
| 23:15.25 | NeoTron | doesn't really help |
| 23:15.30 | Ellipsis | curses still cost mana |
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| 23:15.35 | NeoTron | no downranking and 6000 mana ftl |
| 23:15.35 | Groktar | not much tho? |
| 23:15.39 | NeoTron | 200 or so |
| 23:15.49 | Ellipsis | it's better than a sbolt, but not by a ton |
| 23:15.52 | NeoTron | nto sure if recount tracks curses though |
| 23:16.03 | NivFreak | NeoTron: think you can reach 297 hit with scryers gems + gear + gems? |
| 23:16.18 | NeoTron | I have plenty of hit |
| 23:16.25 | NeoTron | and you can always pick 3% from talents |
| 23:16.31 | NeoTron | but if I don't use a dummy I need a healer |
| 23:16.36 | NeoTron | to keep me mana'd up |
| 23:16.37 | NivFreak | so use a dummy |
| 23:16.38 | NivFreak | :P |
| 23:17.02 | NeoTron | I am level 72 |
| 23:17.07 | Groktar | what exactly are you trying to test, btw |
| 23:17.12 | NivFreak | Groktar: hit cap |
| 23:17.15 | NeoTron | and are you really sure heroic dummies count as level +3? |
| 23:17.32 | NeoTron | over 150-160 searing pain I had 11.5% or so miss rate |
| 23:17.49 | NivFreak | that seems to be inconclusive |
| 23:18.10 | NivFreak | and I don't trust +hit talents |
| 23:18.13 | Ellipsis | gosh, you people :P |
| 23:18.16 | NivFreak | blizzard has fucked them up before ;) |
| 23:18.24 | NivFreak | like elemental precission |
| 23:18.32 | NivFreak | I can't spell apparently |
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| 23:19.33 | Fisker- | haxes Ellipsis |
| 23:20.24 | NivFreak | NeoTron: you are alliance? |
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| 23:23.47 | NeoTron | yes |
| 23:24.33 | NivFreak | well, I guess I can't help you then |
| 23:24.34 | NivFreak | hehe |
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| 23:46.58 | Primer | Any pvp priests here? |
| 23:47.20 | Primer | Just curious if the healing Battlemaster trinket is worth it |
| 23:47.34 | Primer | 439 resil, 1837 heals, but crappy mana regen |
| 23:54.44 | Wraithan | Ok, I have 2 messages so far that signify that you recieve an item, "You recieve loot: [item]" and "You create: [item]" anyone able to think of any others? |
| 23:55.24 | Primer | !rating 1800 |
| 23:55.25 | Xinhuan | 1800 rating gives 760(5s), 669(3s) and 578(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 23:56.06 | orionshock | anyone know off hand how much gbank tabs cost? |
| 23:56.14 | Wraithan | !rating 1400 |
| 23:56.15 | Xinhuan | 1400 rating gives 322(5s), 283(3s) and 244(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 23:56.21 | Diao | which one orionshock |
| 23:56.28 | orionshock | first 3? |
| 23:56.34 | Diao | 100 250 500 |
| 23:56.36 | Wraithan | http://www.wowwiki.com/Guild_bank |
| 23:56.42 | Wraithan | orionshock: learn to wowwiki :d |
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| 23:58.50 | orionshock | :P |
