IRC log for #wowace on 20080826

`00:00.26`	`Zhinjio`	`Heya Antiarc`
`00:00.44`	`Antiarc`	`ohwdy`
`00:00.49`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: yeah...keep telling yourself that...maybe it'll become true one day...`
`00:02.57`	`Ackis`	`I hear Ellipsis gets around the frameworks`
`00:03.09`	`Pkekyo\|`	`stop talking dirty`
`00:03.18`	`Pkekyo\|`	`you're giving JerleMinara needs`
`00:04.02`	`Dashkal`	`needs?`
`00:05.06`	`Pkekyo\|`	`you need to go watch more That '70s Show`
`00:06.02`	`Pkekyo\|`	`either way, I'm off - laters`
`00:06.22`	`Dashkal`	`that was one of the last sitcoms I ever watched`
`00:11.44`	`CIA-47`	`03sylvanaar * r80958 10Prat-3.0/ (6 files in 5 dirs):`
`00:11.44`	`CIA-47`	`Prat-3.0 (Alpha):`
`00:11.44`	`CIA-47`	`Add some help in case Prat 2 and Prat 3 are run at the same time. Debug`
`00:11.44`	`CIA-47`	`pullout now used. Removed references to the experimental module and the`
`00:11.44`	`CIA-47`	`debug code from the main toc. Made sure naming was correct.`
`00:14.30`	`Zhinjio`	`ok, so whats with the PMs from random letter combinations`
`00:14.33`	`Zhinjio`	`irc spam? Jesus.`
`00:20.11`	`Dashkal`	`Zhinjio: if it's still happening, set yourself +E (blocks PMs from people who aren't identified)`
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`00:22.08`	`Zhinjio`	`I got three right in a row (for the first time ever) and then nothing since`
`00:22.17`	`Zhinjio`	`thank you`
`00:22.22`	`fewyn`	`yawn`
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`00:28.57`	VonhintenHOME`	`having trouble playing wow after a weekend of war`
`00:32.53`	`CIA-47`	`03LordFarlander * r80959 10Coconuts/ (Coconuts.lua locals/localisation.lua):`
`00:33.01`	`CIA-47`	`Coconuts:`
`00:33.09`	`CIA-47`	`- Favorites and Zone Favorites changes (ZF doesn't work)`
`00:33.16`	`CIA-47`	`- Works with latest LibLordFarlander`
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`00:33.42`	`Ellipsis`	`now there's a plus`
`00:33.49`	`Ellipsis`	`I wish all my addons worked with latest LibLordFarlander`
`00:34.00`	`ckknight`	`lol, Ellipsis`
`00:35.18`	`Aeyan`	`Haha`
`00:36.47`	`CIA-47`	`03sylvanaar * r80960 10Prat-3.0/ (3 files in 2 dirs):`
`00:36.47`	`CIA-47`	`Prat-3.0 (Alpha):`
`00:36.47`	`CIA-47`	`Added some code to enable and configure the timestamps module if the`
`00:36.47`	`CIA-47`	`experimental module is loaded, or display an error, and disable the`
`00:36.47`	`CIA-47`	`experimental module`
`00:38.58`	`Wobin`	`...`
`00:39.02`	`Wobin`	`sounds... experimental...`
`00:39.17`	`Ellipsis`	`experimental module is experimental!`
`00:39.47`	`sylvanaar`	`omg - how noverl`
`00:39.49`	`sylvanaar`	`novel`
`00:41.13`	`sylvanaar`	`i think the naming should be absolutely clear - and not subject to misinterpretation of any kind`
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`00:41.52`	`sylvanaar`	`Prat-3.0_HighCPUUsageModules\Experimental.lua`
`00:42.02`	`sylvanaar`	`it cant be any more clear`
`00:42.11`	`Ellipsis`	`you have a point`
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`00:43.33`	`sylvanaar`	`i think its cool as hell though - but, at least this way I wont hear omg Prat-3.0_HighCPUUsageModules is using alot of CPU`
`00:43.47`	`Ellipsis`	`yeah that will probably help`
`00:44.22`	`Zhinjio`	`whats the frame strata one up from background?`
`00:44.25`	`Zhinjio`	`dialog?`
`00:44.28`	`Zhinjio`	`bah, I forget.`
`00:45.04`	`sylvanaar`	`i have no idea how much cpu it uses - but it uses onupdate on the chatframe, which means its like keeping a tablet shown for the entire time you are running the game`
`00:45.04`	`Zhinjio`	`LOW`
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`00:47.17`	`Wobin`	`sylvanaar, you -still- will hear that`
`00:47.29`	`Wobin`	`cause people are dumb`
`00:48.55`	`sylvanaar`	`lol`
`00:49.31`	`sylvanaar`	`it also requires them to manually install it at present`
`00:50.38`	`sylvanaar`	`http://www.wowace.com/mediawiki/images/f/f4/Prat3HighCPUPullout.jpg`
`00:50.42`	`sylvanaar`	`lol`
`00:51.04`	`sylvanaar`	`that should filter out alot of the dummies`
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`00:54.56`	`SNiLD`	`but but ... i don't know how tooooooooo /cry`
`00:56.28`	`sylvanaar`	`and hopefully the trolls too, that may be wishful thinking though`
`00:56.45`	`SNiLD`	`trolls, don't feed 'em.`
`00:57.18`	`sylvanaar`	`Prat is like a troll feeder`
`01:00.09`	`Stanzilla`	`too. much. ram. usage cry`
`01:00.25`	`Stanzilla`	`jk^^`
`01:00.31`	`sylvanaar`	`lol`
`01:02.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`any horde know if you complete the hero of the mag'har quest while thrall is in nagrand if it starts the whole sequence?`
`01:03.01`	`fewyn`	`dodododo`
`01:03.14`	`fewyn`	`server crasssshed`
`01:03.30`	`fewyn`	`at least i finished champions of anguish`
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`01:08.09`	`Saryai`	`UGH`
`01:08.14`	`Saryai`	`I hate dns servers. -.-`
`01:08.36`	`Saryai`	`my isp's just crashed. >.<`
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`01:12.43`	`Gramg`	`OpenDNS ftw`
`01:13.58`	`Gramg`	`OpenDNS nameservers are 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 if you need`
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`01:27.34`	`CIA-47`	`03nikkodemus * r80961 10Acheron/Display.lua:`
`01:27.34`	`CIA-47`	`Acheron:`
`01:27.34`	`CIA-47`	`- fix reporting to non-channel locations for non-English clients`
`01:27.34`	`CIA-47`	`- filter out server channels from channel dropdown selection`
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`01:44.59`	`CIA-47`	`03sylvanaar * r80962 10Prat-3.0/ (4 files in 2 dirs):`
`01:44.59`	`CIA-47`	`Prat-3.0 (Alpha):`
`01:44.59`	`CIA-47`	`Fix the pullout concept so that its maintainable without the user needing to`
`01:44.59`	`CIA-47`	`update the pullouts.`
`01:55.49`	`vithos`	`ARGHH. why did i think i could temporarily change my video resolution without fucking up my whole ui`
`01:56.47`	`CIA-47`	`03sylvanaar * r80963 10Prat-3.0/addon/options.lua:`
`01:56.47`	`CIA-47`	`Prat-3.0 (Alpha):`
`01:56.47`	`CIA-47`	`Add temp hack to get the chatframe names initialized. Should be calling`
`01:56.47`	`CIA-47`	`GetChatWindowInfo() instead of what I am currently doing.`
`01:56.56`	VonhintenHOME`	`Do you have UI scale disabled or something?`
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`01:58.16`	`Ellipsis`	`vithos: you can, just make sure you don't let SVs get saved ;)`
`01:58.24`	`Ellipsis`	`(or layout-cache etc.)`
`01:58.48`	`vithos`	`the thing about the .lua.bak files is you never notice what's wrong until after restarting wow a few times`
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`02:16.21`	`fewyn`	`ding 76`
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`02:21.41`	`CIA-47`	`03pprovost * r80964 10Broker_Bags/Broker_Bags.lua: Broker_Bags: Updated to exclude Ammo/Soul/Quiver bags. Use Broker_Ammo if you need those.`
`02:31.19`	`JerleMinara`	`so, who's excited about 3.0 going live soonish`
`02:31.54`	`Zyndrome`	`"soon"`
`02:32.20`	`Ellipsis`	`ohshi, new monitors~`
`02:32.24`	`JerleMinara`	`i'll put money on it making it live before/around october`
`02:33.09`	`Dark_Elf`	`ya will loose money`
`02:33.20`	`ulic`	`begining of october would be nice, that would be a good time to take some vacation and level up :)`
`02:33.39`	`JerleMinara`	`talking 3.0, ulic, not wotlk`
`02:33.48`	`steev`	`that was lulz`
`02:33.56`	`steev`	`i just tanked - for the first time`
`02:34.00`	`JerleMinara`	`wotlk'll probably be a nov/dec release`
`02:34.19`	`steev`	`463 defense, not horrible but not the greatest either`
`02:34.24`	`steev`	`thank god we have an amazing healer`
`02:34.44`	`steev`	`it was only heroic ub though`
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`02:49.02`	`Xelopheris`	`psh, heroic UB is a cat gear instance`
`02:51.03`	`Zyndrome`	`Azjol-Nerub is a shit instance`
`02:51.08`	`Zyndrome`	`especially with a DK tank`
`02:52.07`	`Zyndrome`	`pull wipe`
`02:52.08`	`Zyndrome`	`repeat`
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`03:04.20`	`CIA-47`	`03sylvanaar * r80965 10Prat-3.0/Prat-3.0.toc:`
`03:04.20`	`CIA-47`	`Prat-3.0 (Alpha):`
`03:04.20`	`CIA-47`	`X-Embeds`
`03:13.30`	`Ellipsis`	`om nom nom WoW in 1680x1050`
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`03:20.02`	`Wobin`	`shiny, is it not?`
`03:20.12`	`Ellipsis`	`very`
`03:23.10`	`Zyndrome`	`http://www.worldofraids.com/news/266.html`
`03:23.11`	`Zyndrome`	`aw snap`
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`03:28.03`	`Zyndrome`	`too bad it doesn't include Death Knight ... have to endure my Shitadin some more on live :C`
`03:33.31`	`CIA-47`	`03ag 07Ace3-WotLK * r80966 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames/modules/hideblizz/hideblizz.lua: ag_UnitFrames: Hide focus, hide cast (disabled default)`
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`03:49.59`	`Ackis`	`ding honored ravenholdt /cheer`
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`04:00.18`	`sylvanaar`	`lotsa world server crashes`
`04:01.24`	`Dashkal`	`bloddy yoyo`
`04:01.32`	`sylvanaar`	`pvp is up`
`04:01.37`	`Dashkal`	`crossing my fingers they're just server patches`
`04:01.53`	`Ellipsis`	`yeah, the devs are using the pve server as the guinea pig >_>`
`04:02.32`	`Dashkal`	`why do proper restart notices when the beta people are used to crashing :p`
`04:04.19`	`Dashkal`	`wtb character list`
`04:04.37`	`Ellipsis`	`I got in for like two whole seconds`
`04:07.23`	`Zyndrome`	`EU-server is running fine.. for now`
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`04:27.08`	`steev`	`question for those familiar with ZA`
`04:27.22`	`Antiarc`	`http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_082508_210848.jpg`
`04:27.23`	`steev`	`are the hex lord's adds trappable? or are they only succeptible to specific CCs`
`04:30.30`	`steev`	`nevermind, read the wowwiki page`
`04:31.13`	`Wobin`	`Antiarc: <3`
`04:32.22`	`CIA-47`	`03parnic * r80967 10IceHUD/ (5 files in 2 dirs):`
`04:32.22`	`CIA-47`	`IceHUD:`
`04:32.22`	`CIA-47`	`- added user-requested per-bar vertical offsets and setup pet and focus bars to fit within the vertical center of the hud`
`04:33.18`	`Ellipsis`	`Antiarc: Ability is not ready yet.`
`04:35.28`	`Zyndrome`	`"Uh oh! You appear to have information overload."`
`04:36.51`	`Antiarc`	`I like lots of info. Though there are extraneous elements there.`
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`04:42.27`	`CIA-47`	`03ag 07Ace3-WotLK * r80968 10ag_UnitFrames/ (26 files in 24 dirs): ag_UnitFrames: Modules saves their vars in a namespace of the aUF db`
`04:48.41`	`nymbia`	`Nargiddley: ping`
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`04:54.51`	`CIA-47`	`03ag 07Ace3-WotLK * r80969 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_Options/ag_ModuleOptions.lua: ag_UnitFrames: check if a given module exists before creating options for it`
`04:55.19`	`steev`	`ugh`
`04:56.41`	`CIA-47`	`03parnic * r80970 10IceHUD/modules/TargetOfTarget.lua:`
`04:56.41`	`CIA-47`	`IceHUD:`
`04:56.41`	`CIA-47`	`- added user-requested feature to resize TargetOfTarget module so it doesn't have to fit to the hud's gap setting`
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`05:06.20`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`wooo, muru down finally!`
`05:08.08`	`steev`	`hex lord still not down!`
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`05:16.59`	`Xinhuan`	`looking for inscription leveling guide lol`
`05:18.54`	`Ellipsis`	`you can't level it all the way yet afaik`
`05:19.15`	`Xinhuan`	`looking for a guide that goes from like 1-300 at least ;p`
`05:19.16`	`Shefki`	`Here's a guide for you. Craft stuff that isn't gray. :P`
`05:19.30`	`Shefki`	`That'll take you all the way to cap. ;)`
`05:19.31`	`Ellipsis`	`no I mean recipes stop at like 150 or something`
`05:19.31`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm keen on buying all the stuff neded to go from 1-300 first :D`
`05:19.35`	`Ellipsis`	`(at least that's what I heard)`
`05:21.58`	`Zyndrome`	`oh wow :(`
`05:22.15`	`Zyndrome`	`I've been so busy leveling I didn't bother to check if DKs could get more weaponskills`
`05:22.26`	`Zyndrome`	`looks at all the maces he've trashed`
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`05:29.36`	`Shefki`	`RAWR... You can't get First Aid past 430 and I have a book I want to learn that requires 450. Damn them.`
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`05:43.08`	`CIA-47`	`03parnic * r80971 10IceHUD/modules/TargetInfo.lua:`
`05:43.08`	`CIA-47`	`IceHUD:`
`05:43.08`	`CIA-47`	`- fixed own buffs/debuffs in the TargetInfo module overlapping the icons next to them`
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`05:46.34`	`CIA-47`	`03adirelle * r80972 10Broker2FuBar/core.lua:`
`05:46.34`	`CIA-47`	`Broker2FuBar:`
`05:46.34`	`CIA-47`	`- provide the fubar plugin frame to :OnEnter / :OnClick method, instead of the FuBar panel.`
`05:46.34`	`CIA-47`	`- dropped support of deprecated .tooltiptext attribute.`
`05:51.49`	`winnetou-`	`does anybody know a method to query debuff information (duration) without having that debuffed unit targeted?`
`05:54.10`	`Shefki`	`No`
`05:54.22`	`Shefki`	`Well you could search ther targets of everyone in the raid.`
`05:54.27`	`Shefki`	`That's how BigWigs does it.`
`05:55.03`	`winnetou-`	`i see, thank you`
`05:55.52`	`CIA-47`	`03parnic * r80973 10IceHUD/modules/TargetInfo.lua:`
`05:55.52`	`CIA-47`	`IceHUD:`
`05:55.52`	`CIA-47`	`- re-fixed cascading buffs when "buffs per row" was used for the TargetInfo module`
`05:56.46`	`Shefki`	`for i = 1, 40 do if UnitIsUnitWeWant("raid"..i.."target") then Something() end end`
`05:57.28`	`Shefki`	`The string that passes to the UnitIsUnitWeWant can be used to query the normal Unit functions.`
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`06:50.34`	`CIA-47`	`03sylvanaar * r80974 10Prat-3.0/modules/ChannelNames.lua:`
`06:50.34`	`CIA-47`	`Prat-3.0 (Alpha):`
`06:50.34`	`CIA-47`	`Replace the metatable based options for channelnames with fixed table based`
`06:50.34`	`CIA-47`	`options.`
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`07:02.22`	`CIA-47`	`03sylvanaar * r80975 10Prat-3.0/modules/ (ChannelNames.lua Experimental.lua):`
`07:02.22`	`CIA-47`	`Prat-3.0 (Alpha):`
`07:02.22`	`CIA-47`	`Allow the experimental module to enable and disable non-destructively`
`07:08.02`	`Xinhuan`	`in AV`
`07:08.05`	`Xinhuan`	`"lol i made a horde alt to see if there was any real difference in pvp, there isn't, we just like to whinge i think"`
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`07:22.42`	`CIA-47`	`03sylvanaar 07WotLK * r80976 10ACP/ (ACP.lua ACP.xml localization-enUS.lua): ACP: Move the reload ui button, and place a close button in its former location. Remober the "load lod children" option.`
`07:23.55`	`sylvanaar`	`remober...`
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`07:28.55`	`CIA-47`	`03StingerSoft * r80977 10BigWigs/ (21 files in 8 dirs): BigWigs: update/fix ruRU`
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`07:29.25`	Funkeh`	`JerleMinara, huh? They recently said it won't be its year`
`07:30.42`	`Adirelle\|work`	`~fail sylvanaar`
`07:30.43`	`purl`	`sylvanaar, you Fail!`
`07:30.52`	`Adirelle\|work`	`remober xD`
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`07:31.51`	`sylvanaar`	`need sleep`
`07:32.23`	`Daemona`	`haha funny stuff -> http://gizmodo.com/5041674/treadmills-used-to-play-wow-verdict-even-usain-bolt-couldnt-cut-it-as-a-blood-elf`
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`07:33.01`	`orionshock`	`anyone taken a look at the google group recently?`
`07:33.10`	`sylvanaar`	`which one`
`07:33.14`	`orionshock`	`http://groups.google.com/group/wowace`
`07:33.24`	`orionshock`	`that one, that i've been going to for the past ..2yrs`
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`07:33.41`	`orionshock`	`NSFW - ATM`
`07:33.42`	`sylvanaar`	`hey there's elipsis`
`07:33.55`	`orionshock`	`sylvanaar: be nice`
`07:34.34`	`orionshock`	anyone know who has access to edit the group? ckknight / Funkeh` maybe?
`07:35.38`	`sylvanaar`	`she knows im kidding`
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`07:41.41`	`sylvanaar`	`ok, so is LDB meant for showing just the fubar bar text? we have to manage our own tooltip right? if we want tabular data?`
`07:44.54`	`CIA-47`	`03ag 07Ace3-WotLK * r80978 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitClass.lua: ag_UnitFrames: Lets not move frame if locked, even if holding down alt`
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`07:45.55`	`sylvanaar`	`Adirelle\|work whats the current state of libbars?`
`07:47.30`	`Adirelle\|work`	`sylvanaar: worky`
`07:47.37`	`sylvanaar`	`kk`
`07:48.04`	`Adirelle\|work`	`I discussed about it with Antiarc yesterday (well, some hours ago)`
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`07:48.40`	`Adirelle\|work`	`there will be some change that should not break the API but allows addon author to provide their bar prototypes`
`07:51.11`	`Adirelle\|work`	`I guess there are still some bugs`
`07:51.43`	`Adirelle\|work`	`e.g. animating bar between two bar groups has not been tested`
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`08:00.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`orionshock: the more amazing thing is when you realize that its actually in the source of the page and not an external ad`
`08:01.54`	`Ellipsis`	`sylvanaar: good thing you can't spell my nick :P`
`08:02.44`	`sylvanaar`	`<3`
`08:03.06`	`sylvanaar`	`scroll up to "remober"`
`08:03.27`	`Ellipsis`	`haha`
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`08:04.28`	`Elkano`	`orionshock, I think that group is lead by kaelten`
`08:04.53`	`Elkano`	`and clad`
`08:04.56`	`CIA-47`	`03ag 07Ace3-WotLK * r80979 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.lua: ag_UnitFrames: minor changes`
`08:05.03`	`Adirelle\|work`	`clad kaelten are involved in pron ??? oO`
`08:05.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`clad\|away: ping`
`08:05.11`	`Adirelle\|work`	`(jk)`
`08:10.25`	`Ellipsis`	`has nobody come up with a less fail interface for binding keys directly to spells than spellbinder?`
`08:10.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`i think libkeybound can do it with one of its extras addons`
`08:12.11`	`Ellipsis`	`hm, works with the spellbook and macro UI...I guess that's something`
`08:14.16`	`CIA-47`	`03ag 07Ace3-WotLK * r80980 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.lua: ag_UnitFrames: aligned default positions`
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`08:17.55`	`CIA-47`	`03adirelle * r80981 10LibBars-1.0/LibBars-1.0/LibBars-1.0.lua:`
`08:17.55`	`CIA-47`	`LibBars-1.0:`
`08:17.55`	`CIA-47`	`- moved some pieces of code around,`
`08:17.55`	`CIA-47`	`- added preliminary support for user-defined bar prototypes.`
`08:18.22`	`sylvanaar`	`is there some sampel code Adirelle\|work`
`08:18.29`	`Adirelle\|work`	`sylvanaar: for ?`
`08:18.37`	`sylvanaar`	`LibBars`
`08:18.47`	`Adirelle\|work`	`I don't think so`
`08:18.57`	`Adirelle\|work`	`documentation has yet to be written`
`08:19.07`	`Ellipsis`	`bah...I need to go find a whole new set of wallpapers for my new resolution :<`
`08:19.23`	`Adirelle\|work`	`so girly ^^`
`08:20.09`	`Adirelle\|work`	`sylvanaar: I'll start to write doc as soon as I finish the user-defined prototype thing`
`08:20.33`	`Ellipsis`	`I'm allowed to be girly :P`
`08:25.37`	`Arrowmaster`	`my wallpaper hasnt changed since 2004.....`
`08:27.18`	`Ellipsis`	`well I don't know if I'm allowed to be girlier than Arrowmaster....`
`08:27.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`umm....`
`08:28.07`	`krka`	`I wish Iâd been a Girlie, just like my dear papa`
`08:28.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`. . . .`
`08:29.09`	`Wobin`	`Ellipsis: http://www.desktopography.net/`
`08:31.28`	`sylvanaar`	`Adirelle\|work do you have any working code?`
`08:31.42`	`sylvanaar`	`that uses it`
`08:32.02`	`sylvanaar`	`or screenshots, etc`
`08:33.47`	`Ellipsis`	`Wobin: pretty, but not enough at the right resolution/aspect ratio for my setup :(`
`08:34.49`	`Wobin`	`what is your res?`
`08:35.03`	`Wobin`	`and each image has a different range of resolutions`
`08:35.16`	`Adirelle\|work`	`sylvanaar: working code in Yatba, I know there are other addon using it, but I dunno which`
`08:35.22`	`Ellipsis`	`Wobin: I'm looking for 3360x1050s`
`08:35.33`	`Ellipsis`	`or larger at that ratio`
`08:35.52`	`Wobin`	`http://desk08.customize.org/download/23/26/New_world-3200x1200.jpg`
`08:35.54`	`Ellipsis`	`that way I can use a full 1680x1050 and then scale/crop the other half to 1440x900 for my second screen`
`08:36.04`	`Ellipsis`	`wrong aspect ratio`
`08:36.23`	`Adirelle\|work`	`for screenshots : http://picasaweb.google.fr/gperreal/WoWYatbaR80055/photo?authkey=UlGLVE5Hk7E#5232778678323054210`
`08:36.28`	`Wobin`	`http://desk08.customize.org/download/122/201/Bowbay_2-5120x1600.jpg`
`08:36.48`	`Ellipsis`	`that would work, but imo it looks silly :P`
`08:37.06`	`Ellipsis`	`hence my complaint about not enough selection at the right size for me`
`08:38.41`	`Wobin`	`pft clearly you need to cut your monitor up to more useful standards`
`08:39.36`	`CIA-47`	`cork: 03Tekkub 07master * r52b4ae0 10/ : Update changelog for 3.0.1.1-Beta - http://is.gd/1V6S`
`08:39.40`	`CIA-47`	`cork: 03Tekkub 07master * rab7d751 10/ : Weekly build 3.0.1.1-Beta - http://is.gd/1V6U`
`08:39.45`	`CIA-47`	`cork: 03Tekkub 07master * rb58660c 10/ : Merge commit '3.0.1.1-Beta' - http://is.gd/1V6V`
`08:40.25`	`Ellipsis`	`Wobin: I'm not having trouble finding 3360x1050 on other sites though :P`
`08:42.11`	`Tekkub`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10629-Corkwrath.html`
`08:42.13`	`Tekkub`	`^^`
`08:43.17`	`Ellipsis`	`settled on http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/downloads/01550_dreamforest_3360x1050.jpg`
`08:43.32`	`Ellipsis`	`looks pretty good once I edited the second half to fit the other monitor to scale`
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`08:54.05`	`Ellipsis`	`I can no longer take desktop screenshots :(`
`08:55.27`	`Punkie`	`how come?`
`08:55.33`	`Ellipsis`	`I'm not exactly sure`
`08:55.42`	`Ellipsis`	`does XP have a limit on clipboard capacity?`
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`08:56.09`	`Punkie`	`what size is your resolution?`
`08:56.21`	`Ellipsis`	`1680x1050 + 1440x900`
`08:56.42`	`Punkie`	`ok at home I have 1920x1200 + 1440x900 and can take them`
`08:56.55`	`Ellipsis`	`but how much RAM do you have?`
`08:57.09`	`Punkie`	`4GB (3.25GB) on windows xp`
`08:57.17`	`Ellipsis`	`and I only have 1GB`
`08:57.33`	`Punkie`	`hehe`
`08:57.42`	`Punkie`	`get more ram!`
`08:57.48`	`Ellipsis`	`it's a laptop`
`08:58.02`	`Punkie`	`you can still upgrade ram in laptops`
`08:58.03`	`Ellipsis`	`would cost more to buy RAM than to buy a new computer that comes with more than a gig :P`
`08:58.20`	`Punkie`	`depends how old it is`
`08:58.23`	`Punkie`	`considering 1gb of ram`
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`08:58.31`	`Zhinjio`	`hugs Ellipsis`
`08:58.33`	`Punkie`	`i'd say its at least 3 years :P`
`08:58.51`	`Ellipsis`	`trust me, I've done the math, and since the parts for my new machine are already being shipped it'd be quite a shame to try and get any more life out of the old one now :P`
`08:58.58`	`Ellipsis`	`licks Punkie`
`08:59.44`	`Punkie`	`yeah you're probably right, computer parts are relatively cheap compared to a few years ago`
`09:01.45`	`odt`	`RAM...`
`09:02.06`	`odt`	`i just spoke to some Sun sales guys, we need 8GB RAM for an older box, and it would cost us a total of 4x640EUR`
`09:02.18`	`odt`	`meaning almost the cost of a new server by Sun with 8GB RAM`
`09:02.21`	`Ellipsis`	`frowns`
`09:02.29`	`Ellipsis`	`the googles, they do nothing`
`09:02.49`	`Ellipsis`	`I can't find any solid references to clipboard size being limited based on RAM`
`09:03.30`	`Shefki`	`Ellipsis: Shouldn't be on any OS with paging, which is every OS anyone uses anymore.`
`09:04.30`	`Fisker-`	`Ellipsis my Ellipsis`
`09:04.44`	`Ellipsis`	`"shouldn't" doesn't mean "doesn't" on any OS anyone uses anymore, though`
`09:05.15`	`Ellipsis`	`apparently win 9x had a 32k limit on text in the clipboard`
`09:06.05`	`Shefki`	`Ellipsis: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms649012(VS.85).aspx`
`09:06.48`	`Fisker-`	`slaps Ellipsis around a bit with a large trout`
`09:07.52`	`Punkie`	`this coffee tastes gross :s`
`09:08.15`	`Zhinjio`	`alright, lets see if I can't get ARL's GUI wrapped up here...`
`09:12.58`	`Ellipsis`	`so my best theory at the moment is either the print screen function is refusing to work because of the amount of data it would be putting in teh clipboard, or the data is getting in but windows won't let it be accessed because it's too big for my RAM`
`09:13.26`	`Ellipsis`	`windows clipboard viewer states it "cannot display the information in its current format or there is not enough memory to display it"`
`09:14.41`	`Ellipsis`	`either way, same result...I can't take desktop screenshots anymore :(`
`09:15.18`	`orionshock`	`so sylvanaar do i have to switch my svn path to trunk to keep up with prat3? :(`
`09:15.24`	`\|Kev\|`	`I've copied large amounts of data to clipboard on machines with very little RAM`
`09:15.25`	`\|Kev\|`	`fwiw`
`09:15.46`	`Ellipsis`	`\|Kev\|: 1680x1050 bitmaps are like, really really really big :P`
`09:16.03`	`sylvanaar`	`you can get the latest prat via wau now`
`09:16.21`	`\|Kev\|`	`they're not /that/ big`
`09:16.25`	`Ellipsis`	`I've verified that I can take alt-printscreens of a window that's resized a bit smaller, but as soon as I maximize it on my larger monitor the screenshot fails`
`09:16.25`	`\|Kev\|`	`should be less than 10meg`
`09:16.28`	`sylvanaar`	`or, to answer your question - yest`
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`09:16.46`	`orionshock`	`yest?`
`09:16.49`	`orionshock`	`:P`
`09:17.06`	`orionshock`	`im linux now.. wau acts weird`
`09:17.10`	`orionshock`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:17.20`	`Punkie`	`Ellipsis: maybe its a crappy graphics driver?`
`09:17.41`	`Ellipsis`	`nvidia drivers don't usually strike me as crappy`
`09:17.45`	`sylvanaar`	`orionshock yes, the current alpha is on the trunk`
`09:17.51`	`Punkie`	`are they up to date?`
`09:18.06`	`Ellipsis`	`no, the newest ones cause performance issues on my ancient little 6800`
`09:18.20`	`Ellipsis`	`I use somewhat older versions (though reasonably close to the "most updated" for my card)`
`09:18.27`	`Punkie`	`humm, ok`
`09:19.19`	`Punkie`	`Ellipsis: try a 3rd party app? like screengrab pro?`
`09:19.20`	`Ellipsis`	`I think windows is just being a little too overprotective as usual /sigh`
`09:19.28`	`Ellipsis`	`that's what I'll likely have to do`
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`09:20.21`	`CIA-47`	`03adirelle * r80982 10LibBars-1.0/LibBars-1.0/LibBars-1.0.lua:`
`09:20.21`	`CIA-47`	`LibBars-1.0:`
`09:20.21`	`CIA-47`	`- added a convenient method to create user-defined bar prototype :NewBarPrototype( [superPrototype] ),`
`09:20.21`	`CIA-47`	`- fade, flash and timer code now calls OnXXX methods, that in turn fire the`
`09:20.21`	`CIA-47`	`corresponding callback (e.g. OnTimerFinished fires "TimerFinished"). Those`
`09:20.22`	`CIA-47`	`methods are intented to be easily overriden in user-defined prototypes.`
`09:20.26`	`CIA-47`	`- added FlashStarted and FlashStopped callbacks.`
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`09:31.09`	`CIA-47`	`03antiarc * r80983 10Flippy/ (9 files in 3 dirs): Flippy: MS Word's Clippy for WoW. :V (Comes with built in "shoot dead" command).`
`09:32.00`	`Xinhuan`	`rofl?`
`09:32.04`	`Antiarc`	`^---- made of awesome, btw`
`09:32.04`	`Ellipsis`	`tell me he at least has a dying murloc sound effect when you killh im?`
`09:32.14`	`Fisker-`	`dear god Antiarc WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?`
`09:32.55`	`Antiarc`	`http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_082508_210848.jpg <-- example`
`09:33.48`	`Antiarc`	`You seem to be a warrior arenaing with a polearm. How may I assist you?`
`09:34.18`	`Antiarc`	`a) Reroll b) Bitch on the warrior forums about how underpowered warriors are c) Laugh because you can dual wield polearms in WotLK, bitches.`
`09:34.24`	`CIA-47`	`03adirelle * r80984 10Yatba/Yatba.lua: Yatba: hopefully fixed "attempt to compare nil with number" error in aura filters.`
`09:34.25`	`Warcraft3`	`anyone know a working addon shows 5 sec mana regen ? :/`
`09:34.43`	`Xinhuan`	`man Antiarc, that would have won a kite pet`
`09:34.46`	`Xinhuan`	`at wowhead`
`09:34.48`	`Antiarc`	`Yeah`
`09:34.49`	`Xinhuan`	`last week`
`09:34.51`	`Antiarc`	`:(`
`09:34.51`	`Xinhuan`	`wowi i mean`
`09:35.52`	`Antiarc`	`be sure to try it out`
`09:35.59`	`Antiarc`	`I need to write a bunch of reactive help stuff now`
`09:36.04`	`Antiarc`	`"You seem to be standing in a fire!"`
`09:36.05`	`Antiarc`	`etc`
`09:36.19`	`Antiarc`	`Credit goes to the #elitistjerks channel for the idea :P`
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`09:36.22`	`Xinhuan`	`"You seem to be writing a letter"`
`09:36.25`	`Xinhuan`	`how may i help you?`
`09:36.27`	`Antiarc`	`Oooh.`
`09:36.32`	`Antiarc`	`We were talking about it today, and I just said "hm, this doesn't sound too hard"`
`09:36.34`	`Antiarc`	`So I wrote it`
`09:36.35`	`Antiarc`	`And it's awesome`
`09:36.37`	`Xinhuan`	`hey that's an actual MS Word one`
`09:36.50`	`Antiarc`	`It's really theraputic to be able to waste murlocs any time I want to`
`09:36.56`	`Antiarc`	`Wiping? No problem, boom, headshot.`
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`09:41.49`	`Antiarc`	`Comes complete with hot draenei, too`
`09:42.03`	Lonny`	`Hello guys, I used to write addons without the use of Ace and now I'm starting to get into it, I'm trying to build an addon that announcing for specific CombatLog events to the chat such if I'm sapping someone, or someone else broke it, which libs do I need for it ?`
`09:42.40`	Lonny`	`Any idea how should I start ?`
`09:44.19`	`Shefki`	`Combat log stuff doesn't really take a special library now since it doesn't require parsing.`
`09:44.32`	`Shefki`	`Just an event framework if you want it.`
`09:44.44`	Lonny`	`Ah ok, thank you :)`
`09:45.01`	`Shefki`	`Then just trap COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED`
`09:45.20`	`Shefki`	`And read the docs on it on wowwiki or wowprogramming.com and go from there.`
`09:45.28`	`orionshock`	`if your just dealing with combat log stuff, I'd write a custom handler, it's kindof a waste to use aceEvent-3 and sorta overkill to use CBH`
`09:45.53`	`Shefki`	`Pretty much.`
`09:46.37`	Lonny`	`Ah ok, I'll do that, again sorry for being such a newbie with Ace :P`
`09:47.25`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Antiarc: let Flippy handle some kind of LDB "flippy advice" objects, so that any addon could provide "interesting" text just for flippy`
`09:47.33`	`Antiarc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:47.39`	`Adirelle\|work`	`huh ?`
`09:47.46`	`Antiarc`	`Well, it's designed for that`
`09:47.47`	`Antiarc`	`Flippy:New(headerText)`
`09:47.50`	`Antiarc`	`Starts a new question`
`09:47.51`	`Antiarc`	`Then`
`09:47.55`	`Antiarc`	`function Flippy:AddResponse(text, callback, token)`
`09:48.03`	`Antiarc`	`Adds a response options with a callback when clicked`
`09:48.24`	`Adirelle\|work`	`oh, we needs to test for flippy though`
`09:48.26`	`Antiarc`	`So any addon could pop up Flippy`
`09:48.27`	`Antiarc`	`Yeah`
`09:48.32`	`Antiarc`	`I was thinking of making it a lib`
`09:48.34`	`Antiarc`	`But meh`
`09:48.38`	`Antiarc`	`I'm not sure I care THAT much :P`
`09:48.42`	`Corgan`	`lol`
`09:48.44`	`Ellipsis`	`you do.`
`09:48.48`	`Ellipsis`	`you know you do.`
`09:48.51`	`Antiarc`	`LibFlippy-1.0`
`09:49.04`	`Adirelle\|work`	`actually I also thought about a lib, but LDB already provides ways to pass dataobjects around`
`09:49.45`	`Antiarc`	`Well, idea being that it'd be easier to meet the dependency`
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`09:52.33`	`Adirelle\|work`	`notice, that if you go that way, that lib should handle "one-time" tips, i.e. the addon provides a set of identified tips and then triggers it when appropriate, the lib then determine if that tip should be shown or not`
`09:52.36`	`Adirelle\|work`	`or whatever`
`09:52.40`	`nevcairiel`	`wtf is Flippy`
`09:52.53`	`Adirelle\|work`	`that doesn't really matter anyway`
`09:53.00`	`Antiarc`	`http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_082508_210848.jpg <-- Flippy`
`09:53.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`nevcairiel: http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_082508_210848.jpg`
`09:53.07`	`Antiarc`	`It's like Clippy. For WoW.`
`09:53.32`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`09:53.41`	`Antiarc`	`It's pretty pro`
`09:53.46`	`Antiarc`	`You should install it`
`09:54.02`	`Zhinjio`	`new baby pics up if you're interested: http://babyblog.trippy.org/?page_id=4&g2_itemId=78`
`09:54.09`	`Zhinjio`	`page 2 and 3`
`09:54.27`	`cncfanatics`	`anyone has ideas how to get integrated microphones working on linux ? :p`
`09:54.33`	`cncfanatics`	`my laptop's integrated micro fails :(`
`09:55.21`	`FinalX`	`isn't that just your soundcard that needs to work correctly?`
`09:55.27`	`FinalX`	`and set input volume?`
`09:55.46`	`Wobin`	`Eject the cartridge, blow into the bottom and reinsert.`
`09:55.51`	`Fisker-`	`what tooltip addon is that Antiarc ?`
`09:56.17`	`Antiarc`	`TinyTip, I think`
`10:00.39`	`Fisker-`	`so Antiarc what does it support? :P`
`10:00.42`	`Fisker-`	`flippy that is`
`10:00.50`	`Antiarc`	`Right now it's just a character framework`
`10:00.54`	`Antiarc`	`There isn't any driver logic in it`
`10:00.56`	`Antiarc`	`But that's coming`
`10:01.02`	`Antiarc`	`(That screen is my test page)`
`10:01.15`	`Lukian`	`cncfanatics, check the volumes, and unmute both input devices (also ensure they are the same volume)`
`10:01.30`	`Lukian`	`points to 'alsamixer' in terminal`
`10:02.22`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbG5O2NfUzM`
`10:03.09`	`Ellipsis`	`Zhinjio: awww`
`10:04.14`	`Ellipsis`	`she's so adorable`
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`10:05.05`	`Zhinjio`	`smiles.`
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`10:06.17`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZzehRHxtB8 :O`
`10:06.20`	`Antiarc`	`Holy crap!`
`10:07.17`	`cncfanatics`	`Lukian: there's only one card detected by this box :p`
`10:07.30`	`cncfanatics`	`and everything is unmuted ofc`
`10:07.48`	`Lukian`	`cncfanatics, if there's more than one card, you might need to try a new kernel / alsa version :)`
`10:08.07`	`cncfanatics`	`there isn't according to lspci`
`10:08.28`	`cncfanatics`	`thing is, if I connect a mic to the mic port, it works, its just the integrated one that doesn't work`
`10:08.40`	`Lukian`	`lol`
`10:08.44`	`Lukian`	`maybe it's broken :D`
`10:08.53`	`cncfanatics`	`doubt it, the laptop is brand new`
`10:08.55`	`Lukian`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:09.20`	`cncfanatics`	`sounds doubtful at best :)`
`10:09.23`	`Zhinjio`	`Antiarc: thats pretty whacked`
`10:13.09`	`cncfanatics`	`whats the console command to use the faster health updates in wotlk?`
`10:14.27`	`Lukian`	`cncfanatics, exactly my point, dead on arrival :)`
`10:15.37`	`cncfanatics`	`Lukian: no real way to test that heh`
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`10:27.20`	`Fisker-`	`1+1 = 2`
`10:27.41`	`nevcairiel`	`no u Fisker-`
`10:31.18`	`Ellipsis`	`is there anywhere I can find any documentation on the new state headers?`
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`10:33.21`	`nevcairiel`	`Ellipsis: yes, actually`
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`10:34.10`	`Ellipsis`	`WTT [cookies] for link?`
`10:34.41`	`nevcairiel`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023790190&sid=2000`
`10:34.46`	`nevcairiel`	`get that pdf from iriel`
`10:34.49`	`nevcairiel`	`its teh win`
`10:35.03`	`Ellipsis`	`woot`
`10:35.03`	`Ellipsis`	`<3`
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`10:36.27`	`Fisker-`	`I will find you and destroy you nevcairiel`
`10:36.32`	`Fisker-`	`you made nevcairiel happy`
`10:36.34`	`Fisker-`	`err`
`10:36.39`	`Fisker-`	`Ellipsis happy`
`10:36.40`	`Fisker-`	`:o`
`10:36.50`	`Ellipsis`	`!`
`10:36.53`	`Ellipsis`	`do you hate me that much, Fisker-?`
`10:37.03`	`nevcairiel`	`Just because you cannot please any woman Fisker-`
`10:37.03`	`Fisker-`	`yep`
`10:37.14`	`Wobin`	`Fisker feels inadequate`
`10:37.16`	`Ellipsis`	`well timed`
`10:37.21`	`Fisker-`	`rawr nevcairiel >:3`
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`10:51.14`	`Ellipsis`	`wow, this is way better than the old system`
`10:52.02`	`CIA-47`	`03adirelle * r80985 10LibBars-1.0/LibBars-1.0/LibBars-1.0.lua: LibBars-1.0: do not assume the bar alpha is 1.0 when starting to flash or fade.`
`10:52.57`	`nevcairiel`	`Ellipsis: in deed`
`10:53.01`	`nevcairiel`	`-space`
`10:53.48`	`Adirelle\|work`	`er... did I commited on LibBars-1.0 or what ? CIA-47 didn't repeated it enough...`
`10:54.28`	`nevcairiel`	`(12:51:53) (CIA-47) adirelle * r80985 LibBars-1.0/LibBars-1.0/LibBars-1.0.lua: LibBars-1.0: do not assume the bar alpha is 1.0 when starting to flash or fade.`
`10:54.29`	`nevcairiel`	`wut?`
`10:54.49`	`Ellipsis`	`4x 'LibBars-1.0'`
`10:55.38`	`Adirelle\|work`	`I think I forgot to end my sentence by ":)"...`
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`11:08.13`	`Hayenne`	`hey`
`11:08.48`	`Hayenne`	`I've got question regarding antiarc's tools setup. Do I have to create two databases, primary and cache one, right?`
`11:11.50`	`Adirelle\|work`	`who should I ask to "stole" a texture from another addon ? (the border highlighting texture of Pitbull)`
`11:12.09`	`[Ammo]`	`the author?`
`11:12.11`	`Adirelle\|work`	`s/stole/steal/g`
`11:12.56`	`Adirelle\|work`	`the author of the addon, or the author of the texture ? I could assume he is the same, but this is not sure`
`11:13.05`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Adirelle\|work: ask ckknight`
`11:13.25`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Adirelle\|work: if the texture is not from him he could tell you who you have to ask :P`
`11:13.32`	`Adirelle\|work`	`right ^^`
`11:18.22`	`Ellipsis`	`craves sushi`
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`11:20.26`	`Adirelle\|work`	`ckknight: ping ?`
`11:21.40`	`FinalX`	`w 55`
`11:21.43`	`FinalX`	`oops`
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`11:26.56`	`nevcairiel`	`qq worldserver down`
`11:28.08`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Adirelle\|work: maybe you can ask Ellipsis iirc she is his girlfriend and they live together o.o :) but i'm not sure with that :D`
`11:29.12`	`CIA-47`	`03funkydude * r80986 10StatBlock_MeleeStats/ (StatBlock_MeleeStats.lua StatBlock_MeleeStats.toc): StatBlock_MeleeStats: Make it work with wotlk too`
`11:31.19`	`Fisker-`	`sushi sucks Ellipsis :(`
`11:31.33`	`Ellipsis`	`no u`
`11:31.36`	`Fisker-`	`no u`
`11:31.50`	`Ellipsis`	`[SW]Dodge: I'm not and we don't`
`11:32.08`	`Ellipsis`	`(anymore >_>)`
`11:32.58`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Ellipsis: but some month ago you was his gfriend?`
`11:33.10`	`Ellipsis`	`but that is in the past :)`
`11:33.29`	`[SW]Dodge`	`oh, well.. to bad :S`
`11:33.34`	`Ellipsis`	`o.O;`
`11:33.40`	`[SW]Dodge`	`:D`
`11:33.54`	`Ellipsis`	`sorry our personal lives are not working out conveniently for you?`
`11:36.55`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Ellipsis: uh, no. thats not what i mean. i dunno how to explain. sorry ;)`
`11:38.10`	`Lukian`	`he wants you Ellipsis!`
`11:38.17`	`Ellipsis`	`who doesn't ;)`
`11:38.20`	`CIA-47`	`03funkydude * r80987 10StatBlock_RangedStats/ (StatBlock_RangedStats.lua StatBlock_RangedStats.toc): StatBlock_RangedStats: Make it work with wotlk too`
`11:38.38`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Lukian: stfu! its my secret! XD`
`11:39.07`	`Lukian`	`I know I sure do!`
`11:39.21`	`Ellipsis`	`o.o`
`11:39.55`	`[SW]Dodge`	`but yeah, a girlfriend that also plays wow and likes Coding would be amazing! :D`
`11:40.09`	`Adirelle\|work`	`unless you have only one computer`
`11:40.16`	`SNiLD`	`[SW]Dodge: so she could lvl your char and do your homework? ;)`
`11:40.31`	Funkeh`	`nevcairiel, you going to add that ldb pastey to bt4 or should I upload it`
`11:40.48`	`Adirelle\|work`	`SNiLD: that's typically what she wouldn't do`
`11:40.49`	`nevcairiel`	`i lost the pastey`
`11:40.50`	`[SW]Dodge`	`SNiLD: Yeah XD ~ well no... we could play together wow...and in RL :P`
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`11:40.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`g'morning ladies`
`11:41.12`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Adirelle\|work: i have 2 computers for myself so thats not the problem^^`
`11:41.21`	`Adirelle\|work`	`^^`
`11:41.55`	`Ellipsis`	`anyone hoping to date me better not expect me to share a computer`
`11:42.07`	`Ellipsis`	`level their chars, sure, do their coding work, maybe if they've earned it`
`11:42.11`	Funkeh`	`nevcairiel, http://pastebin.com/d69368f05`
`11:42.13`	`Ellipsis`	`but I do not share computers`
`11:42.31`	`FinalX`	`hehehe`
`11:42.44`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Ellipsis: i can understand you. sharing a pc sucks, as if the otherone plays i cant :P`
`11:43.08`	`FinalX`	`i dont share computers either, neither does my wife ;)`
`11:43.11`	Funkeh`	`I shared a pc for a loooong time`
`11:43.26`	`Pkekyo\|`	`christ...30GBs of photos :/`
`11:43.34`	`FinalX`	`(and we cant, otherwise we cant play together!)`
`11:43.42`	`Adirelle\|work`	`having a complimentary gf/wife is a good thing too`
`11:43.42`	Funkeh`	`tbh if it's someone I know I rather they use my pc because I know it's safe`
`11:44.19`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I wouldn't`
`11:44.27`	Funkeh`	`too much porn?`
`11:44.33`	`FinalX`	`hehe, both my wife's and mine are, I'm also trying to keep my mom's safe`
`11:44.41`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I know the computer is safe -for me- to run, but if some other arsehat gets on here and clicks every link there is, I'm fucked :p`
`11:44.46`	`Pkekyo\|`	Funkeh`: none, actually :/
`11:45.04`	`Ellipsis`	`I'm with Pkekyo\| on this one`
`11:45.06`	`Adirelle\|work`	`she bitchs I'm wasting my time on the computer, but as she's maniac about things to be clean and washed, our appartemnt is shiny`
`11:45.10`	`Ellipsis`	`nobody touches my baby unless I'm watching over their shoulder`
`11:45.12`	Funkeh`	`That's why I said "someone I know"`
`11:45.19`	`FinalX`	`we have a mac that people can use that are visiting`
`11:45.27`	Funkeh`	`hahaha`
`11:45.28`	`Adirelle\|work`	`(though I casually have to help her to wash floor or iron clothes)`
`11:45.33`	`FinalX`	`i use that often enough to multiclient in wow, to trade goods over from alliance -> horde`
`11:45.41`	`FinalX`	`beats alt-tabbing`
`11:45.54`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I even run without antivirus software, 'cause I've learned what to click and what not to...if I let my aunt on here or something though, I wouldn't have a computer anymore`
`11:46.15`	Funkeh`	`gl when the next new exploit come out :)`
`11:46.29`	`Pkekyo\|`	`it've worked for the past four years :)`
`11:46.42`	Funkeh`	`cough latest dns poisoning is a great example`
`11:46.44`	`Ellipsis`	`as it has for me as well`
`11:46.48`	`FinalX`	`haha, sounds like me, Pkekyo\| .. haven't run antivirus software in YEARS, until my PC got a direct internet connection, then I started to worry..`
`11:46.48`	Funkeh`	`you would have got fuckewd royally`
`11:47.10`	`FinalX`	Funkeh`: uhm, antivirus software doesnt really help much to prevent that though :P
`11:47.22`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I runn arseloads of firewalls and such, but no antivirus software`
`11:47.25`	Funkeh`	`How does it not?`
`11:47.25`	`Pkekyo\|`	`run*`
`11:47.37`	`FinalX`	`Your local antivirus software can not affect a remote DNS server.`
`11:47.40`	Funkeh`	`If you were directed to a website with some kind of trojan, yes it would`
`11:47.45`	Funkeh`	`...`
`11:47.57`	`FinalX`	`That's why you don't use active components in your browser, and use a safe one, like Opera.`
`11:48.02`	Funkeh`	`Did you actually think I was suggesting that?`
`11:48.07`	`FinalX`	`I don't even have Flash installed.`
`11:48.11`	`Pkekyo\|`	well...if you don't use IE, you're allready pretty much covered from that angle, Funkeh`
`11:48.16`	Funkeh`	`Thats paranoya`
`11:48.20`	`Pkekyo\|`	`opera > all`
`11:48.27`	`FinalX`	`No, it's because I really don't like Flash shit.`
`11:48.31`	Funkeh`	`Pkekyo\|, um, no?`
`11:48.38`	Funkeh`	`There's still open exploits unfixed in Fx`
`11:48.42`	`FinalX`	`Flash is ok for online games, but not for site navigations and all.`
`11:48.43`	`Pkekyo\|`	`yay, someone took the flamebait`
`11:48.43`	`Pkekyo\|`	also, screw you Funkeh` :p
`11:48.52`	`Ellipsis`	`mmm, flamebait`
`11:48.54`	`Ellipsis`	`om nom nom`
`11:49.09`	Funkeh`	`I use Fx in a sandbox...`
`11:49.19`	`Adirelle\|work`	Funkeh` wins
`11:49.21`	`Lyn_`	`makes popcorn.. yay`
`11:49.27`	`Pkekyo\|`	`bah...gotta apply for a new job today...I hate applying for jobs`
`11:49.31`	`Ellipsis`	`my computer is a sandbox`
`11:49.33`	`Pkekyo\|`	`JUST GIMME MONIES`
`11:49.40`	`Ellipsis`	`I play in it and then mommy says I need a bath :<`
`11:49.44`	`Pkekyo\|`	`after I've been to the beach, my pants are a sandbox`
`11:49.48`	`FinalX`	`I use Opera, works better than any other browser and is less vurnerable than most others.`
`11:49.59`	`Pkekyo\|`	`concur`
`11:50.07`	Funkeh`	`FinalX, totally untrue`
`11:50.12`	`FinalX`	`Prove me wrong.`
`11:50.29`	`Ellipsis`	`if only its interface was more intuitive, like firefox's... /duck from incoming fanboy wrath`
`11:50.31`	Funkeh`	`It completely depends on popularity, just because exploits ahven't been found don't mean they don't exist`
`11:50.51`	`Pkekyo\|`	Funkeh`: less popular = less exposed = less vulnerable
`11:50.56`	Funkeh`	`Calling something more secure just because exploits ahven't been found is retarded`
`11:51.01`	`Ellipsis`	`security through obscurity, fail`
`11:51.28`	`FinalX`	Funkeh`: That's true, but Opera has less openings for usable exploits. Also, closed source can help prevent exploits being developed more quickly. Apart from that, Opera's structure is far better organised security wise.
`11:51.30`	`Pkekyo\|`	`engulfs Ellipsis in fanboy wrathoism`
`11:51.34`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Pkekyo\|: less popular = less exposed, point`
`11:51.43`	Funkeh`	`Everything is always vulnerable`
`11:51.45`	Funkeh`	`hence the sandbox`
`11:51.56`	`FinalX`	`Sandbox software is vurnerable as well.`
`11:51.57`	`Ellipsis`	`by that logic your sandbox is also vulnerable`
`11:52.06`	`Ellipsis`	`which makes it not-terribly-useful`
`11:52.13`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: it's all about taste... I'm unable to worth the FX interface`
`11:52.28`	Funkeh`	`FinalX, Untrue, closed source is just as vulnerable`
`11:52.30`	`Ellipsis`	`Pkekyo\|: there are many things it does right that opera...well...can't quite seem to figure out`
`11:52.34`	`Pkekyo\|`	`really thought FinalX would be a FX fanboy in this discussion :p`
`11:52.36`	Funkeh`	`less people hunting and testing code`
`11:52.44`	`FinalX`	Funkeh`: Less easily exposed and written exploits for.
`11:52.46`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: like...?`
`11:52.52`	`FinalX`	`Firefox fucking fails it.`
`11:52.59`	Funkeh`	`FinalX, Uh, hi windows?`
`11:53.07`	`FinalX`	`Huh, windows?`
`11:53.07`	`Ellipsis`	`first example that comes to mind (yes, it's trivial): closing tabs should take you to the previous tab, not the NEXT tab`
`11:53.16`	`FinalX`	`I'm not using Windows.`
`11:53.25`	Funkeh`	`comapre windows exploits to linux exploits`
`11:53.29`	`FinalX`	`(at the moment =P)`
`11:53.39`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: eh? it takes me to the previously used one here`
`11:53.43`	Funkeh`	`or ie exploits to fx exploits`
`11:53.48`	`Ellipsis`	`Pkekyo\|: o rly?`
`11:53.51`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ya'rly`
`11:54.07`	`Pkekyo\|`	`www.sau.no GO!`
`11:54.08`	`FinalX`	Funkeh`: That's because of IE's internal security structure failing hard, not due to being closed source.
`11:54.30`	`Ellipsis`	`Pkekyo\|: even so, that's not exactly what I'm thinking`
`11:54.33`	`FinalX`	`IE's insecurity is by design.`
`11:54.33`	Funkeh`	`FinalX, Says you`
`11:54.41`	`FinalX`	`Yeah, says me.`
`11:54.49`	Funkeh`	`FinalX, WEll, imo, you talk a lot of bullshit`
`11:55.07`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: what then?`
`11:55.07`	`FinalX`	`imho, you talk a lot of bullshit, makes us even.`
`11:55.17`	Funkeh`	`oh, gg`
`11:55.39`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I agree with you FinalX, but copy-cating is taking it too far :p`
`11:55.46`	`Ellipsis`	`Pkekyo\|: if I'm on tab #4 and I switch to tab #8 and close it, I want to end up on tab #7`
`11:55.54`	`Ellipsis`	`NOT 4, NOT 9, not whatever random number`
`11:56.11`	`FinalX`	`Been using all kinds of browsers for over 15 years, IE's failing security model comes from being originally integrated in Windows and using ActiveX components to take over system functionalities. Something Firefox lacks. Something Opera lacks.`
`11:56.16`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: but...why? that makes fuckall sense`
`11:56.16`	`Pkekyo\|`	`if I go somewhere, and don't wanna be there anymore...I tend to go back where I came from :p`
`11:56.38`	`FinalX`	`Which makes it more exploitable by design.`
`11:56.40`	Funkeh`	`FinalX, Calling closed source software more secure..`
`11:56.42`	`Ellipsis`	`Pkekyo\|: it makes sense if you have tons of tabs open in a specifically chosen order like me :P`
`11:56.43`	`FinalX`	`Not because it's closed source.`
`11:56.56`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: moo, weirdo :P`
`11:57.02`	Funkeh`	`It is in no way more secure, they are both just as vurnerable`
`11:57.07`	`vithos`	`Pkekyo\|, because the tab to the left of the current tab tends to be how you got to the current tab`
`11:57.08`	Funkeh`	`You are never sae`
`11:57.11`	Funkeh`	`safe*`
`11:57.15`	`Ellipsis`	`example from my current opera session: I have wowcompares.com open, and in the next tab is a specific file from framexml`
`11:57.17`	`Pkekyo\|`	`vithos: no, not really`
`11:57.36`	`vithos`	`when you open a link in a new tab, it goes to the right`
`11:57.43`	`Ellipsis`	`if I go to that file's tab, decide I don't want it anymore and close it, firefox behavior would put me back at the wowcompares index ready to open the file I actually want`
`11:57.43`	`FinalX`	Funkeh`: With open source, you have easy access to the source, to more easily exploit a bug you've found. With closed source, that takes longer. That's the only thing I said. Next time, please read first, flame later.
`11:57.44`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I tend to end up on tab 10-12 from tab 1 and 2 :p`
`11:57.55`	Funkeh`	`But anyway, turning a blind eye at something calling it more secure because someting isn't found is neglegent at best`
`11:58.05`	`vithos`	`oh wait, right, i have an addon opening tabs directly to the right rather than at the end`
`11:58.10`	Funkeh`	`Fx if anything is more secure because MORE exploits have been found and fixed`
`11:58.28`	`FinalX`	`I never said Closed Source was less vurnerable. I said exploits would be developed quicker for open source projects when a bug has been found.`
`11:58.31`	`Ellipsis`	`Pkekyo\|: do you have new tabs open next to your current tab?`
`11:58.43`	Funkeh`	`okay`
`11:58.47`	`FinalX`	`"exploits have been found"... try "bugs have been found".`
`11:58.56`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: currently I have ten tabs up, only using #1 and #2`
`11:59.09`	`Pkekyo\|`	`new one opens furthest to the right`
`11:59.16`	`Pkekyo\|`	`but there are settings in Opera somewhere to change that`
`11:59.27`	`Ellipsis`	`right, if you enable opera's "open new tabs next to active" you'd probably understand my issue a bit better`
`11:59.30`	`Pkekyo\|`	`bugs are found --> exploits are made`
`11:59.40`	`Ellipsis`	`because with that settings, you end up with related tabs being right next to each other`
`11:59.56`	`Pkekyo\|`	`possibly`
`12:00.00`	`Ellipsis`	`so when you close one, you want to go back to the one which took you there`
`12:00.09`	`Ellipsis`	`i.e. the tab immediately previous :P`
`12:00.17`	`vithos`	`Ellipsis, have you tried Tab Mix Plus? i think i remember it doing what you want, but be warned, it does a lot of other things too.`
`12:00.21`	`Pkekyo\|`	`well, Opera would still do that for me as it goes back to the previously chosen tab ;>`
`12:00.51`	`Ellipsis`	`vithos: I try to avoid plugins, actually, but I'll keep it in mind`
`12:01.40`	`vithos`	`i haven't used it in a long time so i'm not sure if it's still got whatever problems caused me to stop using it before`
`12:01.41`	`Ellipsis`	`personally, my computer struggles just to run the base browser, I can't afford to load it up with a bunch of 3rd-party amateur code :P`
`12:01.55`	`Adirelle\|work`	`people here are lost for the world, the discussion started about girlfriends and ends about navigator security`
`12:02.08`	`Pkekyo\|`	`:p`
`12:02.15`	`Ellipsis`	`Adirelle\|work: and some of us are turned on by that fact...is that a problem?`
`12:02.17`	`kenlyric`	`Fx3 does that by default`
`12:02.29`	`Wobin`	`Fishsticks!`
`12:02.31`	`Wobin`	`I win!`
`12:02.37`	`Pkekyo\|`	`COOKIES`
`12:02.41`	`Pkekyo\|`	`screw you Wobin`
`12:02.41`	`Pkekyo\|`	`:p`
`12:03.02`	`Ellipsis`	`kenlyric: welcome to the conversation, context was that I was comparing opera's behavior to the more intuitive ways of firefox :P`
`12:03.40`	`kenlyric`	`glad to join`
`12:03.41`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: I'd bet you could achieve the same result if you played with Opera's settings`
`12:03.50`	`Ellipsis`	`Pkekyo\|: no, trust me, I can't`
`12:03.53`	`Ellipsis`	`I have tried many times`
`12:04.01`	`Pkekyo\|`	`if memory serves, there are arseloads of tab-related settings`
`12:04.10`	`Pkekyo\|`	`never used any though`
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`12:04.14`	`kenlyric`	`but then you'd have to use Oprah`
`12:04.18`	`Ellipsis`	`every new version of opera I dig around in the options looking for ways to fix the things I've seen as shortcomings since the day I was forced to switch :P`
`12:04.18`	`kenlyric`	`so it's a wash`
`12:04.44`	`Ellipsis`	`(like the fact that it creates a system tray icon that won't go away no matter what I do to it...ugh)`
`12:05.02`	`kenlyric`	`QUICKTIME`
`12:05.10`	`kenlyric`	`scourge of my computer`
`12:05.18`	`Ellipsis`	`people still use that?`
`12:05.26`	`kenlyric`	`no`
`12:05.32`	`kenlyric`	`but people still use itunes`
`12:05.33`	`Pkekyo\|`	`don't you just love it when you move 30GB of photos from one drive to another...and then there's an error completely at the end`
`12:06.02`	`kenlyric`	`ok`
`12:06.04`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: no sys-tray icon here :/`
`12:06.09`	`kenlyric`	`so you lsoe a couple photos?`
`12:06.10`	`Ellipsis`	`Pkekyo\|: it's some sort of bug`
`12:06.17`	`Pkekyo\|`	`oh`
`12:06.17`	`Pkekyo\|`	`your fault then :p`
`12:06.24`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Adirelle\|work: people here are lost for the world, the discussion started about girlfriends and ends about navigator security <- you made my day :D`
`12:06.26`	`Ellipsis`	`theoretically the systray icon only appears if you have it set up to read mail accounts or RSS feeds`
`12:06.28`	`[SW]Dodge`	`<3`
`12:06.33`	`Ellipsis`	`however I have neither, and on my system the icon always shows up`
`12:06.41`	`kenlyric`	`what kind of curmudgeon calls it "navigator"`
`12:06.52`	`kenlyric`	`I'm a curmudgeon and I don't call it that`
`12:06.54`	`Pkekyo\|`	`kenlyric: no idea, error message wasn't specific... that'd suck though, 'cause all the 30GBs are my work`
`12:06.56`	`Ellipsis`	`I've had to manually edit every shortcut to opera on my system to include the /notrayicon switch to FORCE it hidden`
`12:07.02`	`kenlyric`	`Pkekyo\|: i'm confused`
`12:07.07`	`Pkekyo\|`	`family photos and all that jazz is somewhere else...don't care about that`
`12:07.11`	`kenlyric`	`did you lose the last couple files, or all 30gb?`
`12:07.17`	`Adirelle\|work`	`[SW]Dodge: actually the conclusion is that people are more interested in navigator that girlfriends, the chances are they won't have children`
`12:07.42`	`Pkekyo\|`	`not all of it, but I fear a major part of it...can't find certain folders... :<`
`12:07.52`	`kenlyric`	`NAVIGATOR WAS WORSE THAN IE3!`
`12:07.56`	`Ellipsis`	`what I want to know is who the heck decided that a system tray icon for a web browser was a good idea, and why they didn't consider adding an option within the browser to disable it`
`12:08.19`	`Pkekyo\|`	`where the hell is this systray you're talking about?! :p`
`12:08.33`	`Ellipsis`	`Pkekyo\|: if you add a mail account to the reader yours will show up`
`12:08.41`	`Ellipsis`	`even just a dummy account will work`
`12:08.41`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Adirelle\|work: yea, but i bet if there will be a nude girl an a browser the most boys here will decide to get the girl :P`
`12:08.44`	`Pkekyo\|`	`but...why would I do that?`
`12:08.46`	`Ellipsis`	`then you will feel my pain`
`12:08.49`	`Ellipsis`	`you wouldn't`
`12:08.50`	`kenlyric`	`the system tray icon is good for programs you want to hide`
`12:08.55`	`kenlyric`	`not really for a web browser`
`12:08.57`	`Ellipsis`	`neither would I`
`12:09.00`	`kenlyric`	`who hides a web browser?`
`12:09.09`	`Ellipsis`	`but on my system, opera is bugged and thinks it should show the icon :P`
`12:09.21`	`kenlyric`	`what kind of nazis run your computer?`
`12:09.34`	`Ellipsis`	`<---`
`12:09.37`	`Adirelle\|work`	`[SW]Dodge: virtual sex doesn't lead to births`
`12:09.46`	`kenlyric`	`tell her to reinstall that broken shit`
`12:09.56`	`Pkekyo\|`	`kenlyric: 14 year old boys sitting around surfing porn with their parents in the next room hides a web browser`
`12:09.59`	`Ellipsis`	`kenlyric: it persisted across clean installs`
`12:09.59`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Adirelle\|work: i meant a real nude girl ;) no a virtual one`
`12:10.10`	`Ellipsis`	`it's something very odd with my system, and I never quite tracked it down`
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`12:10.24`	`kenlyric`	`not that kind of hidin`
`12:10.46`	`kenlyric`	`a try icon with a bubble saying nympho furries would still give it away.`
`12:10.49`	`Adirelle\|work`	`[SW]Dodge: real girls have no clear documented API`
`12:11.01`	`kenlyric`	`NEITHER DID NAVIGATOR`
`12:11.09`	`Ellipsis`	`oh snap.`
`12:11.10`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Adirelle\|work: ROFL`
`12:11.27`	`kenlyric`	`as long as you don't call it Communicator`
`12:11.29`	`kenlyric`	`4`
`12:11.31`	`kenlyric`	`Gold`
`12:11.37`	`kenlyric`	`goddamn, worst software in history`
`12:11.45`	`Ellipsis`	`kenlyric is winning lots of points with me today`
`12:12.02`	`kenlyric`	`it's really hard to blame microsoft for killing netscape when netscape did such a stellar job all on their own.`
`12:12.05`	`Pkekyo\|`	`what's navigator? :/`
`12:12.14`	`kenlyric`	`it's before your time honey`
`12:12.24`	`Pkekyo\|`	`eh...I'm an old fart >.<`
`12:12.42`	`kenlyric`	`Navigator was netscape's web browser`
`12:12.48`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ooh`
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`12:12.52`	`kenlyric`	`and it was good`
`12:13.03`	`kenlyric`	`and then it was part of Netscape Communicator 4 Gold`
`12:13.04`	`Ellipsis`	`and then it wasn't.`
`12:13.09`	`kenlyric`	`and that ship wrecked`
`12:13.19`	`kenlyric`	`it even had ship icons`
`12:13.46`	`Ellipsis`	`the internet was a series of oceans back then, instead of tubes, you see`
`12:13.53`	`Wobin`	`with the wheel`
`12:14.03`	`Wobin`	`and you 'navgiated' by the stars`
`12:14.13`	`Pkekyo\|`	`wait, what?`
`12:14.22`	`kenlyric`	`I still remember when IE3 came out`
`12:14.25`	`kenlyric`	`everyone rejoiced`
`12:14.30`	`Wobin`	`It was a terrible time`
`12:14.32`	`Pkekyo\|`	`shrugs`
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`12:14.42`	`kenlyric`	`then they all got butthurt and decided they were always angry with microsoft`
`12:14.43`	`kenlyric`	`they're lying`
`12:14.54`	Funkeh`	`what was it`
`12:14.56`	Funkeh`	`windows 98`
`12:15.01`	`kenlyric`	`a browser that didn't eat half your ram was like some kind of god`
`12:15.02`	Funkeh`	`came with 2 3 and 4`
`12:15.03`	`kenlyric`	`win95`
`12:15.05`	Funkeh`	`of ie`
`12:15.08`	`Pkekyo\|`	`win98 was THE SHIT`
`12:15.12`	`Ellipsis`	`98 had 4 and 5`
`12:15.13`	`Wobin`	`98 was GREAT`
`12:15.15`	`kenlyric`	`win98 came with 4 up`
`12:15.31`	Funkeh`	`4 standard but 2 and 3 installed too`
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`12:15.45`	`kenlyric`	`I cheated`
`12:15.47`	`kenlyric`	`http://www.microsoft.com/windows/WinHistoryIE.mspx`
`12:16.01`	`Ellipsis`	`shame on you kenlyric`
`12:16.08`	Funkeh`	`lol a timeline`
`12:16.10`	`kenlyric`	`look, i'm old`
`12:16.22`	`Ellipsis`	`I cheated too :(`
`12:16.29`	`Ellipsis`	`I ate performance-enhancing chocolate before responding`
`12:16.30`	`kenlyric`	`I barely remember my first Phoenix bug`
`12:16.47`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: Hire me plees?`
`12:16.50`	`kenlyric`	`but zomg, it's fixed motherfucker`
`12:17.19`	`Ellipsis`	`by now, I'd hope so`
`12:17.38`	`kenlyric`	`i'm the reason your firefox mail links can open a thunderbird mail window`
`12:17.46`	`Ellipsis`	`what a claim to fame`
`12:17.52`	`kenlyric`	`well`
`12:17.55`	`kenlyric`	`I didn't actually fix it`
`12:18.04`	`kenlyric`	`but I totally filed it`
`12:18.51`	`kenlyric`	`apparently out of the 26 locations where windows stores the default mail client, mozilla wasn't changing the one windows cares about.`
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`12:20.23`	`Wobin`	`http://www.videosift.com/video/Youve-Been-Barack-Rolld`
`12:22.01`	`Ellipsis`	`I lol'ed`
`12:22.06`	`Ellipsis`	`probably a good sign that I need sleep`
`12:22.38`	`Pkekyo\|`	`nah, I lol'd too, and I just woke up`
`12:25.48`	`Lyn_`	`lol`
`12:26.17`	`FinalX`	`I got rickrolled in the mall the other day.`
`12:26.48`	`FinalX`	`Them playing the song over the speakers :<`
`12:27.20`	`Pkekyo\|`	`rofl`
`12:27.53`	`Pkekyo\|`	`wee, brand new 22" monitor`
`12:28.02`	`Ellipsis`	`you too? :P`
`12:28.15`	`Pkekyo\|`	`sent mine out for repairs four weeks ago`
`12:28.22`	`Pkekyo\|`	`they couldn't fix one, so they just gave me a new one today`
`12:29.52`	`Ellipsis`	`lucky boy`
`12:30.03`	`Ellipsis`	`I had to actually, y'know, PAY for mine :P`
`12:30.22`	`Adirelle\|work`	`got a 22" flat monitor for my 30th birthday, I had a 17" crt before that, that was awesome`
`12:30.55`	`Punkie`	`yo dudes stop browsing wow us forums, trying to defeat boredom here`
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`12:31.13`	`FinalX`	`I have a neat Samsung 17" one, with magicbright, very pretty to watch movies on, but for WoW I want something bigger.`
`12:31.23`	`Ellipsis`	`nibbles Pkekyo\|`
`12:31.32`	`Punkie`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023611982&sid=1 <-- um what :P`
`12:35.44`	`Ellipsis`	`mmm, fatties`
`12:36.20`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: norwegian law regarding warranties and all that jazz is awesome :p`
`12:37.30`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: also, I allready paid for one 22" monitor x)`
`12:37.59`	`CIA-47`	`03sylvanaar * r80988 10Prat-3.0/ (LICENSE.txt Prat-3.0.toc modules/Clear.lua):`
`12:37.59`	`CIA-47`	`Prat-3.0 (Alpha):`
`12:37.59`	`CIA-47`	`GPLv3 + Cleanup`
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`12:39.14`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: also: you need to hire me...now`
`12:39.35`	`Ellipsis`	`to do what, exactly?`
`12:39.44`	`Pkekyo\|`	`no idea, but I need a job :(`
`12:40.29`	`Punkie`	`i'll hire you`
`12:40.31`	`Punkie`	`to kiss my ass`
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`12:41.05`	`Ellipsis`	`Pkekyo\|: well gee, I'd love to be paid too....as long as I don't have to actually do anything`
`12:41.13`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Punkie: what does it pay?`
`12:41.23`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: hell...I'd even do stuff...I just need monies :p`
`12:42.07`	`Punkie`	`well it doesnt pay anything`
`12:42.11`	`Punkie`	`you just wanted a job :o`
`12:42.38`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Punkie: it's kinda implied that I want a job that pays monies, no?`
`12:42.46`	`Punkie`	`not at all`
`12:43.22`	`Josh_Borke`	`morning`
`12:43.39`	`Ellipsis`	`g'morning`
`12:43.42`	`Pkekyo\|`	`g'morning`
`12:43.46`	`Pkekyo\|`	`hire me plees?`
`12:43.59`	`Ellipsis`	`considers hiring Pkekyo\| to shut up`
`12:44.06`	`Ellipsis`	`<3`
`12:44.16`	Funkeh`	`can you pay people to shut up?`
`12:44.16`	`Josh_Borke`	`are you a US citizen? do you have a BS with experience in linux system administration?`
`12:44.19`	Funkeh`	`;p`
`12:44.47`	Funkeh`	`Josh_Borke, THen I have the job for you!`
`12:45.55`	`Punkie`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9236646068&sid=1 hahahhahaha`
`12:45.56`	`Pkekyo\|`	Funkeh`: I'd shut up
`12:46.07`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Josh_Borke: no, I am a BS, and some`
`12:46.11`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: doit! :P`
`12:46.27`	`Punkie`	`what the hell is a BS`
`12:46.36`	Funkeh`	`\a sex leg costume?`
`12:46.51`	Funkeh`	`and is he actually called facepalm`
`12:47.09`	`Punkie`	Funkeh`: hacked accounts spam the forums with 'i have very sex leg, here is a picture'
`12:47.13`	`Punkie`	`which is a keylogger :P`
`12:47.25`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`12:48.31`	`Josh_Borke`	`sorry, i has no job 4 u`
`12:48.41`	`Ellipsis`	`sleepytime for Ellipsis`
`12:48.45`	`Ellipsis`	`night folks, be good`
`12:48.46`	`Josh_Borke`	`nn`
`12:48.52`	`Adirelle\|work`	`night`
`12:49.06`	`Pkekyo\|`	`g'nite Ellipsis`
`12:49.10`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Josh_Borke: whyes nuts? :<`
`12:49.51`	Funkeh`	`Josh_Borke, wotha sellin`
`12:50.11`	`Fisker-`	`fiskers do the lulziest things`
`12:50.48`	`Fisker-`	`Cast holy shock on alliance while disguised and talking to the Grand Commander Ruusk in eclipse point`
`12:51.08`	`Corgan`	`why so fisker fisker`
`12:51.12`	`Fisker-`	`why so Corgan?`
`12:51.26`	`Corgan`	`why so dicks`
`12:51.34`	`Fisker-`	`why so reported?`
`12:51.39`	`Pkekyo\|`	`because poopie cojõnes!`
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`13:07.11`	`Adirelle\|work`	`autobar still does tonshit of things I don't need :/`
`13:08.23`	`FinalX`	`likewise, i liked the way good old autobar more`
`13:08.28`	`FinalX`	`..but that no longer works`
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`13:13.29`	Lonny`	`Is there documentation available for LibSink-2.0 ?`
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`13:14.33`	Lonny`	`Is there any*`
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`13:17.57`	Lonny`	`nvm found something.`
`13:18.08`	`cncfanatics`	`~seen Wraithan`
`13:18.09`	`purl`	`wraithan <n=wraithan@c-67-160-172-243.hsd1.or.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 2d 5h ago, saying: 'um maybe I am retarded, how do I get that frame to show with how many I have gathered so far?'.`
`13:24.16`	`Adirelle\|work`	`~emulate Ellipsis`
`13:26.11`	`CIA-47`	`03adirelle * r80989 10Yatba/Yatba.lua: Yatba: gnore null duration auras in WotLK too.`
`13:26.24`	`cncfanatics`	`anyone good at making names ?`
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`13:28.29`	`kenlyric`	`yes`
`13:29.02`	`cncfanatics`	`I need a name for an actionbutton addon :p`
`13:29.24`	`Bymlet`	`Has anyone heard of a wowace project called 'twobox toolkit'?`
`13:29.47`	`kenlyric`	`oh`
`13:29.55`	`kenlyric`	`I'm good at making names for games :)`
`13:29.58`	`kenlyric`	`*characters`
`13:30.04`	`kenlyric`	`Bymlet: yes`
`13:30.11`	`kenlyric`	`it's not a wowace project though`
`13:30.19`	`kenlyric`	`it's a mod that uses Ace`
`13:30.27`	`Bymlet`	`aah ok, is it legit?`
`13:30.28`	`kenlyric`	`you can find it on wowinterface.com`
`13:30.33`	`Bymlet`	`will take a look`
`13:30.34`	`kenlyric`	`yeah, I use it`
`13:30.36`	`cncfanatics`	`Bymlet: every mod is legit ...`
`13:30.51`	`kenlyric`	`it doesn't do anything that would be a problem`
`13:31.03`	`kenlyric`	`just makes the master/slave relationship a little easier`
`13:31.03`	`Bymlet`	`fair enough`
`13:31.11`	`Bymlet`	`refers to the 2nd account as a bot :s heh`
`13:31.41`	`cncfanatics`	`thats just a name :p`
`13:31.57`	`Wobin`	`it's like it's called a 'hack'`
`13:32.02`	`Wobin`	`and that's -never- good!`
`13:32.16`	`cncfanatics`	`what exactly does it do anyway ?`
`13:32.21`	`Bymlet`	`looking for mods to make my 2boxing of some alts painless at the mo`
`13:32.28`	`Bymlet`	`not done too badly, 35 in a couple of days`
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`13:32.34`	`Bymlet`	`but figure there are some tricks I'm missing`
`13:32.38`	`cncfanatics`	`use recruit a friend :)`
`13:32.44`	`Bymlet`	`reading dual-boxing.com`
`13:32.47`	`Wobin`	`pft, refer a friend has basically legalised multiboxing =P`
`13:32.48`	`Bymlet`	`that is with recruit a friend`
`13:32.52`	`Wobin`	`er recruit`
`13:33.09`	`kenlyric`	`I heard tell rumor of some people actually recruiting friends with it`
`13:33.11`	`Bymlet`	`was never illegal afaik, blizz even give basic advice on it`
`13:33.13`	`kenlyric`	`but nobody I know personally`
`13:33.13`	`Wobin`	`Although we have a 5 boxer on our server`
`13:33.18`	`Bymlet`	`be honest`
`13:33.23`	`Bymlet`	`nobody has friends here ;)`
`13:33.26`	`Wobin`	`has toons named Wind/Water/Earth/Fire/Heart`
`13:33.34`	`erikh`	`oh, jesus.`
`13:33.36`	`Bymlet`	`I've just spotted a 4 lock team on our server`
`13:33.39`	`Josh_Borke`	`by your powers combined!`
`13:33.40`	`kenlyric`	`one trick: make the referred account your primary and the original account the slave`
`13:33.43`	`Bymlet`	`www.twentytotems.com - guess what he's doing`
`13:33.46`	`kenlyric`	`only do collection quests on the primary`
`13:33.56`	`Bymlet`	`why?`
`13:34.05`	`kenlyric`	`when it is a full level ahead of the other, gift a level to the slave`
`13:34.10`	`Bymlet`	`aah no`
`13:34.13`	`Bymlet`	`not doing that`
`13:34.20`	`Bymlet`	`got a 31 mage I'll 1-shot to 59`
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`13:34.28`	`Bymlet`	`once my rogue/shaman combo is at 59 too`
`13:34.29`	`kenlyric`	`ah, ok`
`13:34.29`	`Bymlet`	`heh`
`13:34.40`	`kenlyric`	`then just skip collection quests entirely`
`13:35.11`	`Bymlet`	`need an updated version of tourguide for the 400% xp!`
`13:35.36`	`Bymlet`	`green hills of stranglethorn was excellent, 5mins on AH and 32k XP per toon after :D`
`13:35.39`	`Bymlet`	`*300%`
`13:35.40`	`kenlyric`	`you'll get a feel for how much you can do in each zone`
`13:35.59`	`kenlyric`	`nothing worse than coming back to town and have a quest be grey :(`
`13:36.11`	`Bymlet`	`yeah I usually shoot for the toughest`
`13:36.33`	`Bymlet`	`my rogue/shaman are pretty well twinked most of the time, it's costly but means I can do quests 2/3levels above with no challenge at all`
`13:36.43`	`Bymlet`	`and rogue/shaman is really really quick :D`
`13:36.44`	`kenlyric`	`I tend to make healers primary, and melee primary`
`13:36.50`	`kenlyric`	`in your case I don't know which I'd choose`
`13:37.03`	`Bymlet`	`rogue with shaman on follow gives a nice package`
`13:37.21`	`Bymlet`	`got the shaman stood behind castsequencing totems and nuking LB while rogue SS spams`
`13:37.40`	`Bymlet`	`combat is 1 or 2 buttons plus a panic button for taunt totem and evasion`
`13:37.52`	`kenlyric`	`the other thing is to spec considering what you do for dual boxing`
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`13:37.56`	`kenlyric`	`it'll look dumb on paper`
`13:38.22`	`Bymlet`	`gone combat / elemental`
`13:38.41`	`Bymlet`	`only problem has been the ele shammy generates SO much threat the rogue keeping aggro can be a challenge!`
`13:39.55`	`Bymlet`	`considering hunter/mage next`
`13:40.08`	`kenlyric`	`in my druid/hunter I just ended up going healing on the druid`
`13:40.15`	`Bymlet`	`last team will be a pala, not sure what tho`
`13:40.17`	`kenlyric`	`he wasn't doing anything all that useful`
`13:40.52`	`Bymlet`	`ah, have both my dps chewing mobs up all the time`
`13:40.53`	`kenlyric`	`getting to at least the interrupt talent on the shammy is good for emergencies`
`13:41.07`	`kenlyric`	`it's all fun and games until they bring back 4 runners`
`13:41.07`	`Bymlet`	`just have the shock as part of a castsequence`
`13:41.36`	`Bymlet`	`that's really when she's left to nuke runners down and I use mouse to get rogue to start on next`
`13:43.33`	`kenlyric`	`it is nice on my current set to be able to buy them gear`
`13:43.52`	`kenlyric`	`my first set was on a newish server, I had some gold to buy them mounts but was very poor after that.`
`13:44.04`	`Bymlet`	`i haven't done mounts yet`
`13:45.34`	`ckknight`	`Adirelle\|work: pong`
`13:45.41`	`kenlyric`	`I'm still deciding if I want to take a set to 70 so I can dualbox wrath`
`13:45.48`	`kenlyric`	`cause I'm not sure I can go back to the old way :(`
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`13:50.01`	`Bymlet`	`i've been thinking about that`
`13:50.13`	`Bymlet`	`if I do my shadowpriest will go over to the other account`
`13:50.13`	`Leissi`	`uh`
`13:50.14`	`Leissi`	`hi`
`13:50.20`	`Bymlet`	`shadowpriest+warlock would be a lot of fun`
`13:50.28`	`Leissi`	`any chance I could ask about a problem with Pitbull here?`
`13:50.45`	`Bymlet`	`would have to swap some SWP gear out on the warlock and equip 2pcs T5 + void star talisman for the lolguard`
`13:52.27`	`kenlyric`	`shammy mage would have more synergy if lightning bolt was an arcane spell :)`
`13:53.22`	`Leissi`	`anyone?`
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`13:56.33`	`Bymlet`	`shammy boomkin would rock :D`
`13:56.38`	`Bymlet`	`+crit and all nature`
`13:56.50`	`Bymlet`	`moar crit!`
`13:57.05`	`Bymlet`	`you can ask Leissi`
`13:57.15`	`Leissi`	`ok`
`13:57.28`	`Bymlet`	`no idea if we can answer sensibly :) all depends really!`
`13:57.40`	`Leissi`	`is there a way to clamp the pet bars to their owners' bars? I mean, like under their status or something`
`13:58.58`	`cncfanatics`	`Leissi: not atm`
`13:59.02`	`Bymlet`	`I'm not aware of any 'sticky frames' for that kind of thing in pitbull but they can be set up to align pets with their owners`
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`14:00.12`	`Pkekyo\|`	`what the hell is this WotLK achievment bullshit?`
`14:00.18`	`Leissi`	`aww damn`
`14:00.31`	`Bymlet`	`epeen mostly Pkekyo\|`
`14:00.45`	`Leissi`	`well I'd rather even have them align with the owner's bars`
`14:00.57`	`Leissi`	`than having 'em huddled up in some corner`
`14:01.24`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Bymlet: what...does it do?`
`14:01.27`	`Bymlet`	`all you need to do is set with same spacing/direction and drag the frames level`
`14:01.42`	`Bymlet`	`it tracks what you've done, bosses killed, rep earned, mounts, pets everything really`
`14:01.53`	`Bymlet`	`think of it like really really stoopid gamerscore from xbox live`
`14:02.04`	`Bymlet`	`so there will be one for having 20 mounts`
`14:02.07`	`Bymlet`	`another for 80 pets`
`14:02.09`	`Bymlet`	`that kinda thing`
`14:02.21`	`Bymlet`	`clear ony/mc/bwl/aq/naxx`
`14:02.30`	`Bymlet`	`etc`
`14:02.53`	`Bymlet`	`unfortunately if you're an x-realmer like me then some of that data may be lost :(`
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`14:09.59`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Bymlet: so the achievments are retroactive?`
`14:10.49`	`nevcairiel`	`Some`
`14:10.50`	`nevcairiel`	`not all`
`14:11.06`	`nevcairiel`	`Like the boss-kill achievements only work if you got loot from those bosses`
`14:11.28`	`cncfanatics`	`or the quest done`
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`14:11.32`	`cncfanatics`	`that involves killing them`
`14:11.36`	`cncfanatics`	`head of nefarian and the like`
`14:12.04`	`nevcairiel`	`well you usually loot the head =p`
`14:12.45`	`cncfanatics`	`btw nevcairiel, how did u come up with the name for bartender ?`
`14:12.47`	`ckknight`	`howdy all`
`14:13.01`	`CIA-47`	`03mikk * r80990 10Baggins_AnywhereBags/Core.lua:`
`14:13.01`	`CIA-47`	`Baggins_AnywhereBags:`
`14:13.01`	`CIA-47`	`- Add :GetItemCount() public API for querying total counts of an itemid. Will be used in Skillet (LibPossesions).`
`14:13.03`	`nevcairiel`	`I stole it from mikma`
`14:13.33`	`cncfanatics`	`me needs a good name :'(`
`14:13.58`	`Pkekyo\|`	`nevcairiel: so basicly, 'cause I sold my Might set I'm fucked?`
`14:14.14`	`Bymlet`	`pretty much, yep`
`14:14.25`	`Bymlet`	`still got full sets of all previous tier gear banked`
`14:14.35`	`Bymlet`	`and a few atiesh :)`
`14:14.44`	`Bymlet`	`wish blizz would give us some kind of gear archive`
`14:14.47`	`nevcairiel`	`nah it detects stuff you sold too`
`14:14.53`	`nevcairiel`	`I doubt i still have ragnaros loot`
`14:14.57`	`nevcairiel`	`yet i got it`
`14:15.00`	`Bymlet`	`depends if you shifted realms`
`14:15.10`	`Bymlet`	`I moved`
`14:15.18`	`cncfanatics`	`how could a move affect that ? :o`
`14:15.28`	`Bymlet`	`they cba cross referencing that far back x-realm`
`14:15.34`	`Bymlet`	`guess it makes the paper trail easier for them`
`14:15.40`	`nevcairiel`	`I never got loot from c'thun =(`
`14:15.48`	`nevcairiel`	`guess we'll have to redo him`
`14:15.54`	`Bymlet`	`yep`
`14:15.59`	`Bymlet`	`you will`
`14:16.06`	`cncfanatics`	`ur right Bymlet`
`14:16.10`	`cncfanatics`	`I have no raid achievments on my mage`
`14:16.17`	`cncfanatics`	`and he was indeed transfered when TBC hit`
`14:16.28`	`Bymlet`	`you can see achievements already?`
`14:16.34`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm in beta`
`14:16.49`	`Bymlet`	`ah I still haven't downloaded >.<`
`14:16.56`	`Bymlet`	`too busy trying to wtfpwn kil'jaeden mostly`
`14:17.08`	`nevcairiel`	`Well soem of the achievements didnt really get tracked yet`
`14:17.16`	`nevcairiel`	`like they didnt implement loot lists of all instances yet`
`14:17.24`	`nevcairiel`	`and i transfered my char a while back`
`14:17.31`	`nevcairiel`	`new chars are supposed to have more dungeons now`
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`14:22.47`	`Fisker-`	`nevcairiel is a scammer`
`14:22.59`	`Fisker-`	`and nevcairiel`
`14:23.09`	`Fisker-`	`characters are updated if the achievements are`
`14:23.14`	`fewyn`	`hmmm`
`14:23.17`	`fewyn`	`is wowi down?`
`14:23.24`	`Fisker-`	`So if there's suddenly a new item it will recognize it automatically`
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`14:25.59`	`Adirelle\|work`	`ckknight: sorry, was busy, the question is : where did you get the highlight textures for PitBull_Aura ?`
`14:26.22`	`ckknight`	`Adirelle\|work: I believe they're slight alterations of ingame graphics`
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`14:26.50`	`Adirelle\|work`	`ckknight: is there any restriction to copy them in another addon ?`
`14:27.02`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I'd wish they would postpone WotLK :<`
`14:27.03`	`ckknight`	`probably not`
`14:27.08`	`ckknight`	`Pkekyo\|: until?`
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`14:27.40`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ckknight: until I'm done with TBC endgame :P`
`14:27.44`	`ckknight`	`hehe`
`14:27.48`	`Pkekyo\|`	`and until I can afford to buy WotLK :(`
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`14:28.31`	`orionshock`	`anyone tell Kaelten about the pron on the google group?`
`14:28.49`	`Kaelten`	`nope`
`14:28.56`	`Kaelten`	`what pron?`
`14:29.05`	`Pkekyo\|`	`PRONZ?! WERE?!`
`14:29.07`	`orionshock`	`fyi, it looks like it got hard coded into the main page`
`14:29.17`	`orionshock`	`http://groups.google.com/group/wowace`
`14:29.32`	`AckisWork`	`anyone on a secure PC that can check out a link for me?`
`14:29.45`	`cncfanatics`	`LOL`
`14:29.49`	`cncfanatics`	`AckisWork: sure`
`14:29.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`rofl orionshock :p`
`14:30.13`	`orionshock`	`imagine my surprise when i opened that at work...`
`14:30.15`	`orionshock`	`O.O`
`14:30.24`	`copystring`	`haha`
`14:31.01`	`Pkekyo\|`	`haha`
`14:31.23`	`Pkekyo\|`	`"no, you see...I'm not trying to watch porn, Boss, I'm trying to get some World of Warcraft stuff done!" :P`
`14:31.40`	`Wobin`	`... accidentally f*cking two dudes?`
`14:31.44`	`Wobin`	`How do you do that accidentally?`
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`14:31.52`	`Wobin`	`"Whoops I slipped and fell on the two of you"`
`14:31.56`	`Adirelle\|work`	`ckknight: so you won't mind if I rip them ?`
`14:32.07`	`ckknight`	`Adirelle\|work: nope, knock yourself out`
`14:32.11`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Wobin: it can happen...`
`14:32.32`	`Wobin`	`well, you'd have to wonder why the guys were in that position`
`14:32.34`	`Wobin`	`and naked`
`14:32.44`	`Wobin`	`for her to 'fall' onto`
`14:33.04`	`Pkekyo\|`	`WobWork: well, yeah...but it can happen... I know a girl who lost her virginity to a tree stump x)`
`14:33.16`	`AckisWork`	`Pkekyo\|: we don't want to hear stories about your mom`
`14:33.23`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I'd bet it'd taste like pine if you'd eat her out o.O'`
`14:33.35`	`Pkekyo\|`	`AckisWork: my mom isn't my friend`
`14:33.57`	`Wobin`	`Pkekyo\|: like... those car air fresheners?`
`14:34.47`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Wobin: possibly, I never tasted those :p`
`14:35.46`	`Wobin`	`for comparison, eh`
`14:35.54`	`Wobin`	`anyway, sleep time`
`14:35.56`	`kenlyric`	`oh`
`14:36.02`	`kenlyric`	`google groups has a new feature I see`
`14:36.08`	`Wobin`	`yeah`
`14:36.10`	`Wobin`	`pron`
`14:36.29`	`orionshock`	`the shitty type too that likes to fk your computer over...`
`14:36.30`	`kenlyric`	`kaelton doing the passive/aggressive method of getting us to go away?`
`14:36.41`	`Pkekyo\|`	`:p`
`14:37.21`	`Pkekyo\|`	`SOMEONE HIRE ME GODDAMNIT`
`14:37.46`	`cncfanatics`	`Pkekyo\|: there's plenty of people hiring, you can find them on one of the 1785037569067 websites about recruitment`
`14:38.04`	`Pkekyo\|`	`cncfanatics: just hire me damn you`
`14:38.55`	`cncfanatics`	`ok, I'll hire you to find a good name for my actionbutton addon`
`14:39.01`	`cncfanatics`	`pay: 1$ from paypall`
`14:39.17`	`AckisWork`	`lol`
`14:39.19`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ok, what are the features? :p`
`14:40.06`	`cncfanatics`	`I need a name before I start coding :D`
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`14:41.35`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ok, what are the planned features?`
`14:43.03`	`cncfanatics`	`each button customizable independantly of eachother, buff highlighting, highly modular, a fancy GUI, skinnable via buttonfacade, textfields on the buttons`
`14:43.47`	`Pkekyo\|`	`SUPARDUPARACTIONBARZ0rzxzORXZ`
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`14:44.01`	`cncfanatics`	`~lart Pkekyo\|`
`14:44.01`	`purl`	`cuts off Pkekyo\|'s head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper`
`14:44.10`	`Pkekyo\|`	`~dict halberd`
`14:44.15`	`AckisWork`	`cncfanatics: treeupvagooactionbuttons`
`14:44.34`	`CIA-47`	`03adirelle * r80991 10Yatba/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Yatba: added highlight textures from PitBull_Aura.`
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`14:44.56`	`cncfanatics`	`~lart AckisWork`
`14:44.56`	`purl`	`whacks AckisWork upside the head`
`14:46.44`	`Pkekyo\|`	`tonofbuttons`
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`14:47.25`	`cncfanatics`	`~lart Pkekyo\|`
`14:47.25`	`purl`	`eats Pkekyo\|'s liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti`
`14:48.51`	`Pkekyo\|`	`what's wrong with tonofbuttons?!`
`14:49.13`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ICAB! go for it!`
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`14:51.21`	`Fisker-`	`my cat is pleased Pkekyo\| >:3`
`14:51.34`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Fisker-: wth?`
`14:52.02`	`Fisker-`	`>:3`
`14:54.56`	`sacarasc`	`isn't Fisker- almost cute sometimes`
`14:55.17`	`Fisker-`	`TAKE IT BACK`
`14:55.24`	`Pkekyo\|`	`sacarasc: that's the scary part of him`
`14:55.26`	`Fisker-`	`>:E`
`14:55.45`	`AckisWork`	`fisker is very very cute`
`14:55.48`	`AckisWork`	`he's adorable`
`14:55.53`	`AckisWork`	`a sweatheart`
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`14:56.08`	`Fisker-`	`means nothing coming from you`
`14:56.11`	`Fisker-`	`also you ignored me`
`14:56.13`	`Fisker-`	`so i guess i win`
`14:56.14`	`Fisker-`	`1-0`
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`14:56.27`	`Lyn_`	`http://failblog.org/2008/08/05/wii-fail/ this is a so fucking big fail lol`
`14:57.16`	`AckisWork`	`wow Lyn_ you found a video of Fisker-`
`14:57.23`	`Lyn_`	`yep`
`14:57.35`	`Fisker-`	`owned Ackis`
`14:57.38`	`Fisker-`	`i got cats not dogs`
`14:58.11`	`Pkekyo\|`	`lmfao Lyn_`
`14:58.29`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I find the fact that he actually keeps on playing to be...mindboggling`
`14:58.49`	`Lyn_`	`hahaha`
`14:59.03`	`sacarasc`	`he's a kid, probably doesn't realise he's being raped`
`14:59.33`	`Lyn_`	`but he is screaming`
`15:00.17`	`ckknight`	`Pkekyo\|: yea, that's what I thought was most funny, that he just kept playing his game`
`15:01.42`	`Pkekyo\|`	`like...if he didn't mind it more than that...why all the bitching and moaning?`
`15:03.41`	`ckknight`	`orionshock: on CF, if you set a cloned repository to package, it will make zips.`
`15:03.51`	`orionshock`	`where?`
`15:04.25`	`orionshock`	`whoa, those are new options i didn't see before`
`15:04.36`	`ckknight`	`yea, I added em a few weeks ago`
`15:04.47`	`ckknight`	`for non-mainline, it's automatically set to not package`
`15:05.20`	`orionshock`	`is there a way using the commit messages to specify the version type ? like alpha, beta, and release?`
`15:05.25`	`orionshock`	`or is that in the works?`
`15:05.35`	`Fisker-`	`attacks`
`15:07.23`	`ckknight`	`orionshock: no, use tags.`
`15:07.37`	`orionshock`	`lol`
`15:07.50`	`ckknight`	`that's what tags are for`
`15:08.04`	`ckknight`	`if you're really adamantly against them for some ungodly reason, change the type on the website`
`15:08.05`	`orionshock`	`im lazy, but i see your point`
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`15:14.50`	`CIA-47`	`03adirelle * r80992 10Yatba/Yatba.lua: Yatba: attempt to fix party and raid filters.`
`15:16.23`	`Zhinjio`	`so I want to make a button that behaves like the spellbook buttons`
`15:16.38`	`Zhinjio`	`but I'm having trouble creating the right set of textures and/or overlays to make it behave like that.`
`15:17.12`	`Zhinjio`	`namely, when I set the pushed texture, it doesn't overlay, it just replaces the normaltexture`
`15:17.19`	`CIA-47`	`03totalpackage * r80993 10StellarBars/ (StellarBars.lua StellarBars.toc):`
`15:17.19`	`CIA-47`	`StellarBars`
`15:17.19`	`CIA-47`	`- added WotLK compatibility`
`15:18.16`	`Zhinjio`	`it looks like using (for example) SpellButtonTemplate is a good starting point`
`15:19.42`	`Zhinjio`	`pushedtexture seems to not pay attention to the blendmode, or something`
`15:19.50`	`Zhinjio`	`maybe I'm not understanding how the various button textures inter-relate`
`15:21.10`	`Zhinjio`	`oh wow.`
`15:21.19`	`Zhinjio`	`those are treated as checkbuttons.`
`15:21.22`	`Zhinjio`	`hmm`
`15:21.25`	`Zhinjio`	`nm, lemme play with that.`
`15:22.14`	`CIA-47`	`03totalpackage * r80994 10Cellular/ (Cellular.toc core.lua):`
`15:22.14`	`CIA-47`	`Cellular`
`15:22.14`	`CIA-47`	`- added WotLK compatibility`
`15:22.14`	`CIA-47`	`- parent each window to self frame instead of UIParent`
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`15:24.50`	`nocts\|work`	`Anyone have experience on WServer2k8?`
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`15:30.14`	`CIA-47`	`03totalpackage * r80995 10CloseUp/ (CloseUp.toc core.lua):`
`15:30.14`	`CIA-47`	`CloseUp`
`15:30.14`	`CIA-47`	`- added WotLK companion/mount models`
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`15:34.09`	`CIA-47`	`03totalpackage * r80996 10Snoopy/ (Snoopy.toc core.lua):`
`15:34.09`	`CIA-47`	`Snoopy`
`15:34.09`	`CIA-47`	`- added WotLK compatibility`
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`15:38.56`	`Zhinjio`	`is there a quick easy way to "reset" an inhereted OnXXX script so thats it no longer responds to that event?`
`15:39.03`	`Zhinjio`	`for example, OnLoad, or whatever`
`15:39.25`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`15:39.29`	`ckknight`	`could make another template`
`15:39.37`	`ckknight`	`that overrides it with a blank dealy`
`15:40.08`	`Zhinjio`	`I guess I ultimately shouldn't be using that template, since it comes with too much baggage`
`15:43.11`	`Fisker-`	`Antiarc my friend`
`15:56.21`	`Chompers`	`http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kul+Tiras&n=Onixius`
`15:56.34`	`Chompers`	`our pug tank in his tanking gear :<`
`15:57.38`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`15:57.46`	`nevcairiel`	`healing rings?`
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`15:58.47`	`Chompers`	`check his spec out too`
`15:58.53`	`Chompers`	`he sure does love the feral tree`
`16:04.22`	`Lyn_`	`lol chompers`
`16:05.33`	`nevcairiel`	`Chompers: i bet he plays resto usually, "when i can spec 61 in resto and its good, i bet i can do so with feral"`
`16:06.07`	`nocts\|work`	`I'm a noob to druid, but what benefits could he be branching out and into insitead?`
`16:06.32`	`Chompers`	`perhaps nev`
`16:06.42`	`nevcairiel`	`restoration -> naturalist + omen of clarity`
`16:06.48`	`Chompers`	`omen is awesome`
`16:06.57`	`Chompers`	`i've got it now, great talent`
`16:07.08`	`nevcairiel`	`its even more awesome in wotlk`
`16:07.14`	`nevcairiel`	`yu dont need to remember buffing it anymore`
`16:07.16`	`Chompers`	`oh?`
`16:07.17`	`nocts\|work`	`omen is.. mana regen, right?`
`16:07.32`	`nevcairiel`	`nocts\|work: no, free cast when it procs`
`16:07.38`	`nocts\|work`	`Ahh`
`16:07.53`	`nocts\|work`	`Sounds like the perfect bear->heal->bear?`
`16:08.03`	`nevcairiel`	`nah`
`16:08.13`	`nevcairiel`	`you can use it for free attacks`
`16:08.21`	`nocts\|work`	`Example?`
`16:08.22`	`nevcairiel`	`to save energy/rage`
`16:08.31`	`nocts\|work`	`Oh, it's a replacement.`
`16:08.38`	`nocts\|work`	`I thought it was limited to spells only :X N ice.`
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`16:08.52`	`Megalon`	`clearcasting for everything`
`16:08.54`	`nevcairiel`	`Currently it only procs from melee attacks`
`16:08.58`	`nocts\|work`	`Why wouldn't feral always go for it? What's sacrificed in end-game raiding?`
`16:09.05`	`nevcairiel`	`In WotLK it'll proc from all spells/abilities`
`16:09.09`	`Megalon`	`but the procc rates on balancespells is fucked up for me :(`
`16:09.57`	`Chompers`	`i've been leveling a druid, it's at 63 currently`
`16:10.18`	`Chompers`	`after playing a warrior and being pretty unhappy with the tanking`
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`16:10.22`	`Chompers`	`druid tanking is awesome`
`16:10.25`	`nocts\|work`	`I've been considering a resto druid lately, just because of the PvP/Arena capability`
`16:10.28`	`nevcairiel`	`I prefer warrior tanking`
`16:10.39`	`Megalon`	`my druid on beta is 75, and i had OoC procc once from moonfire, not very impressiv proc chance :x`
`16:10.48`	`nocts\|work`	`lol`
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`16:10.53`	`Chompers`	`i'm the arms warrior for the guild, so i cant just slap on some gear and tank(well)`
`16:11.01`	`Chompers`	`as a druid, i think i can`
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`16:27.12`	`CIA-47`	`037destiny * r80997 10LibBabble-Boss-3.0/LibBabble-Boss-3.0.lua: LibBabble-Boss-3.0: koKR Update`
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`16:33.14`	`CIA-47`	`037destiny * r80998 10BigBrother/localization_koKR.lua:`
`16:33.14`	`CIA-47`	`BigBrother:`
`16:33.14`	`CIA-47`	`- koKR Update`
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`16:40.26`	`AckisWork`	`with them announcing the new content patch before wrath, does anyone know if achievemetns will be in it?`
`16:41.11`	`Megalon`	`nope they won't`
`16:41.28`	`AckisWork`	`meh that's the only good thing about wrath`
`16:42.01`	`Megalon`	`http://blue.mmo-champion.com/16/9236465192-content-patch-before-wrath-of-the-lich-king.html`
`16:42.12`	`Megalon`	`at least achievements are not mentioned in that bluepost`
`16:42.14`	`AckisWork`	`they said that's not a complete list`
`16:42.51`	`Obelixprime`	`i have a challange for someone if they're up for it`
`16:43.29`	`nocts\|work`	`They have a lot of work to do on the talents, I hope they're doing this right.`
`16:43.47`	`Obelixprime`	`can people suggest ways I can reduce the clutter on my ui`
`16:43.47`	`Obelixprime`	`http://colekas.brethren-guild.org/WoWScrnShot_081908_215903.jpg`
`16:43.53`	`*** part/#wowace Leissi (n=Leissi@118-66.adsl.lpoy.dnainternet.fi)`
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`16:44.15`	`Obelixprime`	`that's probably the busiest it will get`
`16:44.37`	`nocts\|work`	`Obelixprime: looking`
`16:45.08`	`Obelixprime`	`i have rdx for my raid frames, autobar, pitbull, parrot, elk buff bars,`
`16:46.00`	`Obelixprime`	`ora, quartz, bigwigs`
`16:46.00`	`nocts\|work`	`Obelixprime: Any reason why you need to see anyone else's debuffs on target but your own?`
`16:46.00`	`Obelixprime`	`Isb?`
`16:46.00`	`nocts\|work`	`lsb?`
`16:46.01`	`nocts\|work`	`Oh, isb?`
`16:46.03`	`Obelixprime`	`yeah`
`16:46.16`	`nocts\|work`	`If that's the only buff couldn't you filter out all others but your own + isb with pitbull?`
`16:46.24`	`Obelixprime`	`don't think so`
`16:46.32`	`Obelixprime`	`i think you can only filter to castable debuffs`
`16:46.32`	`nocts\|work`	`Double check, I remember being able to :)`
`16:46.37`	`Obelixprime`	`really?`
`16:46.45`	`nocts\|work`	`Should be an actual list, from what I remember, when you select it.`
`16:46.47`	`Obelixprime`	`i'd probably have to hack lua for it`
`16:46.51`	`Obelixprime`	`hmm`
`16:46.53`	`Obelixprime`	`i'll check`
`16:47.00`	`nocts\|work`	`I also see two dot/debuff timers.`
`16:47.34`	`Obelixprime`	`well, one is dot timers, so if I''m dotting multiple mobs they'll appear on that list to the right`
`16:47.44`	`Obelixprime`	`however my targets dot timers appear below the frame`
`16:48.10`	`Pkekyo\|`	`http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fail-math-woman.jpg`
`16:48.29`	`Obelixprime`	`Oh tracy`
`16:49.46`	`nocts\|work`	`Obelixprime: sec`
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`16:56.03`	`nocts\|work`	`Obelixprime: So what's the above dot meter for?`
`16:56.10`	`nocts\|work`	`Far above target frame?`
`16:57.57`	`Obelixprime`	`at the very top? that's from bigwigs`
`16:58.06`	`Obelixprime`	`the one above the target frame is for all my dots`
`16:58.19`	`Obelixprime`	`so, say illidan p2 or something`
`16:58.26`	`Obelixprime`	`where i have to keep dots on both of the fire elementals`
`16:58.38`	`Obelixprime`	`i want to keep track of dot times on both elementals`
`16:58.54`	`Obelixprime`	`and rather than constantly switching between targets to see how long until i have to refresh swp or vt`
`16:58.57`	`Obelixprime`	`i just look at that`
`16:59.54`	`nocts\|work`	`So you have one for single target dots and one for multitarget dots? O.o`
`17:00.14`	`nocts\|work`	`Couldn't you use the multi-target dot display also for single target, or use the debuff timers on the target frame?`
`17:00.49`	`Obelixprime`	`i suppose`
`17:01.28`	`nocts\|work`	`I mean, technically you're already looking at debuffs on target frame, so if you could narrow it down to ibs+your own with the timers, (even numerical) you could replace the target dot frame.`
`17:01.56`	`nocts\|work`	`Or remove all of your target debuffs and only show isb as a target highlight color instead.`
`17:03.04`	`nocts\|work`	`Also, what about omni CC instead of a cooldown bar timer? Since you already have the buttons you could remove the self-cooldowns completely and have smaller numbers indicate time left on the buttons themselves.`
`17:03.05`	`Obelixprime`	`for the pitbull frame?`
`17:03.31`	`Obelixprime`	`i have omniCC if you didn't notice`
`17:03.44`	`Obelixprime`	`so yeah i could remove the self timer cooldown too`
`17:03.45`	`nocts\|work`	`And not for the pitbull frame, I mean for the actual actionbars.`
`17:03.57`	`nocts\|work`	`Ah, I didn't see it. Somehow missed the 2m on the buttons`
`17:04.16`	`Obelixprime`	`nocts\|work: Or remove all of your target debuffs and only show isb as a target highlight color instead`
`17:04.46`	`nocts\|work`	`I typed faster than I let you respond :P`
`17:04.48`	`Obelixprime`	`highlight the pitbull frame right`
`17:04.50`	`Obelixprime`	`?`
`17:04.50`	`Obelixprime`	`lol`
`17:04.51`	`nocts\|work`	`Right`
`17:05.13`	`nocts\|work`	`I'm at work (qq captain obvious) but I remember highlighting having quite the amount of configuration options.`
`17:05.43`	`nocts\|work`	`And as a side note, let me ask you this: Do you change your spell rotation with isb?`
`17:05.51`	`Obelixprime`	`no`
`17:05.53`	`nocts\|work`	`And is isb ever not applied?`
`17:05.55`	`Obelixprime`	`its just nice to know when its up`
`17:06.37`	`nocts\|work`	`IF you can't get the highlighting then I say remove all t arget debuffs but isb, if you want the dot timer still.`
`17:06.49`	`nocts\|work`	`That way knowing if isb is up is simply knowing that SOME icon is on your targetframe.`
`17:09.02`	`nocts\|work`	`What about the spell errors?`
`17:09.09`	`nocts\|work`	`"spell not ready yet" etc.`
`17:09.12`	`nocts\|work`	`Do you need those?`
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`17:12.16`	`Thaoky`	`hello there :)`
`17:12.21`	`nocts\|work`	`hey Thaoky`
`17:12.28`	`KriLL3`	`how will CoT have a new wing? are they gonna re-design the place?`
`17:13.01`	`nocts\|work`	`It should already be in beta?`
`17:13.11`	`Aeyan`	`Probably move that ship out of the way of the one blocked portal`
`17:13.29`	`KriLL3`	`I haven't been to tanaris yet, did they add a fifth tunnel out from the circular room with all the dragons?`
`17:13.47`	`nocts\|work`	`KriLL3: checking`
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`17:13.59`	`KriLL3`	`Aeyan: is that further up the tunnel than the room at the bottom?`
`17:14.09`	`Aeyan`	`No, it's in the room on the bottom`
`17:14.11`	`Obelixprime`	`nocts: sorry`
`17:14.14`	`Aeyan`	`First tunnel on your left`
`17:14.35`	`Obelixprime`	`nocts\|work: i have error monster`
`17:14.39`	`Obelixprime`	`but apparently not enabled`
`17:14.44`	`Obelixprime`	`i didn't know it hid the ui frame like that`
`17:14.45`	`Zhinjio`	`wow, is this new?`
`17:14.46`	`Aeyan`	`When you get the tour it's the one the guide stops in front of and says something about they don't have much data on that one yet`
`17:15.02`	`Zhinjio`	`clicking on a checkbox seems to automagically do a SetChecked for you`
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`17:15.40`	`Zhinjio`	`or am I on crack`
`17:15.57`	`Zhinjio`	`I unfortunately can't check on live since we're in maintanence right now`
`17:17.24`	`nocts\|work`	`Obelixprime: :)`
`17:18.16`	`nocts\|work`	`KriLL3: Entrance is in the lower corner and leads through an Inn and onward to the town.`
`17:19.30`	`Thaoky`	`hey guys, I have a few questions about adding fubar support into an ace3 addon, is anyone familiar with that ?`
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`17:25.42`	`AckisWork`	`Thaoky: replied to your post about tabs btw :) and would fubar support be framework independant?`
`17:26.33`	`Thaoky`	`oh hi !`
`17:26.40`	`fewyn`	`so i finally got a real upgrade on the beta for my druid`
`17:26.56`	`fewyn`	`now if only i had mats for mongoose and knew an enchanter`
`17:27.14`	`Thaoky`	`I'll check your answer, about fubar, well the thing is I upgraded my addon from ace2 to ace3, so I have to redo the fubar part, and I admit that I'm a bit lost`
`17:27.15`	`CIA-47`	`03Slammy * r80999 10Cryolysis2/messages/ (portal.lua ritual.lua sheep.lua teleport.lua):`
`17:27.15`	`CIA-47`	`Cryolysis2:`
`17:27.15`	`CIA-47`	`- Added frFR versions of messages for portal.lua, ritual.lua, sheep.lua and teleport.lua`
`17:27.17`	`nocts\|work`	`Obelixprime: Do you need the target's, target's, target's health?`
`17:27.57`	`AckisWork`	`Thaoky: another suggestion would be the data broker stuff (which I have 0 idea about)`
`17:28.47`	`Thaoky`	`me neither`
`17:28.57`	`Thaoky`	`have you made up your mind on a layout yet ?`
`17:29.03`	`AckisWork`	`if you're interested in that route, tekkub might be able to help`
`17:29.15`	`AckisWork`	`no I haven' I'm still open to suggestions`
`17:29.16`	`nocts\|work`	`Obelixprime: I'm also noticing that you are duplicating healthstones in three places and potions in two places.`
`17:29.27`	`AckisWork`	`the back end work is done, I just need to integrate it into the GUI`
`17:30.00`	`Obelixprime`	`nocts\|work: the target of target of target is back from when I healed really`
`17:30.05`	`Thaoky`	`you might also want to look at the hybridscrollframes they're using in the achievements UI, seems like you could do something out of it`
`17:30.09`	`Obelixprime`	`I think all i need now is just target of target`
`17:30.14`	`Obelixprime`	`to see if I pull aggro`
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`17:30.41`	`Obelixprime`	`and the duplicating of potions and healthstones is due to me moving stuff around for different binds`
`17:30.54`	`Obelixprime`	`i'm leaning to reworking how my autobar works (currently the bar to the far left)`
`17:31.25`	`Obelixprime`	`i mainly use the numpad 1-2-3 for potions and trinkets, and wheel up and wheel down for healthstone`
`17:31.25`	`Obelixprime`	`s`
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`17:32.01`	`Obelixprime`	`and the g3 g4 buttons is the low level healthstone and a charged crystal focus`
`17:32.10`	`Obelixprime`	`aren't there macros to better manage healthstones?`
`17:33.11`	`nocts\|work`	`Obelixprime: Ask Ellipsis when she wakes up, she should have some.`
`17:33.24`	`nocts\|work`	`And once you solve the duplicate items some of that clutter should clear up`
`17:33.51`	`nocts\|work`	`And as for seeing when you pull aggro, if you're already using omen you could have it flash your screen/play sound on aggro pull or near aggro pull?`
`17:34.10`	`Obelixprime`	`i have an action bar in the bottom left that's in 3x4 position, i think i'm going to remove that bar and put autobar there`
`17:34.11`	`nocts\|work`	`That way the information is only being displayed on that singular event you're looking to monitor`
`17:34.29`	`Obelixprime`	`yep, already do that`
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`17:34.41`	`nocts\|work`	`Awesome. Do you do much offhealing or are you demanded into full dps?`
`17:35.11`	`Megalon`	`Obelixprime: make a macro /use Major Healthstone all 3 specced bound to one key ;)`
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`17:35.29`	`Obelixprime`	`eh, i've been speccing into healing a bunch recently, but not for anything important, maybe an off night hyjal or za`
`17:35.31`	`profalbert`	`Obelixprime: better use the one with the spell-ids`
`17:35.34`	`KriLL3`	`anyone else think exotic pets are retarded? you can't target the hunter with it in your face`
`17:35.42`	`nocts\|work`	`lol`
`17:35.42`	`profalbert`	`eh, item-ids`
`17:35.50`	`nocts\|work`	`Obelixprime: Do you need raid frames then if you have RaidStatus already? IF you're just looking for general raid information and don't need to heal specific individuals, the large chunk of raid frames should work just fine.`
`17:35.51`	`Megalon`	`or is Master the greatest?`
`17:36.34`	`Obelixprime`	`nocts\|work: i don't know if I could deal with raid frames lol`
`17:36.39`	`AckisWork`	`Obelixprime: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Ackis/MyMacros#One_button_health_stone`
`17:36.41`	`profalbert`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:36.44`	`Obelixprime`	`alternatively I do dispell a lot`
`17:38.25`	`Obelixprime`	`OMG`
`17:38.29`	`Obelixprime`	`<3 ACKIS`
`17:38.59`	`AckisWork`	`I use that myself`
`17:39.56`	`Kaaosa`	`What does mod:SELFCAST do?`
`17:40.20`	`nocts\|work`	`Obelixprime: Wait, so do you need the raid frames or do you NOT need the raid frames that are in your screenshot, as a shadow priest?`
`17:40.35`	`AckisWork`	`afk for lunch`
`17:41.03`	`Obelixprime`	`nocts\|work: I click cast dispel magic for people in my raid group`
`17:41.11`	`Obelixprime`	`so that's basically what I use it for`
`17:41.21`	`Obelixprime`	`as a spriest`
`17:41.24`	`Fisker-`	`Zeksie my friend`
`17:42.09`	`Thaoky`	`has anyone been playing a bit with the achievements API functions ?`
`17:44.25`	`nocts\|work`	`Obelixprime: What about removing all of that and moving to Decursive?`
`17:44.38`	`nocts\|work`	`You'd take that huge chunk of space and cut it down to tiny squares that you just click to decurse.`
`17:45.22`	`Obelixprime`	`i had decursive initially but recently dropped it for the rdx raid frames`
`17:45.38`	`nocts\|work`	`Any particular reason?`
`17:45.50`	`NivFreak`	`ugg`
`17:46.04`	`NivFreak`	`is blizzard really stupid enough to think that they are putting in wrath talents soon?`
`17:46.09`	`nocts\|work`	`^ THIS`
`17:46.25`	`Fisker-`	`~seen Zeksie`
`17:46.28`	`purl`	`zeksie is currently on #wowuidev (4h 12m 5s) #wowace (4h 12m 5s) #curseforge (4h 12m 5s), last said: 'Anaral: yeh, there's an X-Perl for wrath. 3.0.0c, can get it from wowi, curse, etc.'.`
`17:46.32`	`Fisker-`	`well apparently it'll still be MONTHS NivFreak`
`17:46.54`	`Fisker-`	`given that they seem to imply that 3.0 PTR will come soon (probably a week or so, perhaps even friday if we're lucky) but testing will take weeks`
`17:47.01`	`Fisker-`	`if not months`
`17:47.01`	`Fisker-`	`>:3`
`17:47.36`	`Obelixprime`	`nocts\|work I had grid and decursive before rdx, and I didn't want to set up click casting for grid. There were also other timers built into rdx that I like such as debuff highlighting and what not...`
`17:47.55`	`Worf`	`hmm ... it's been a while since i did write wow mods ... and now i want to add some info to the tooltip - any suggestions how to start? mess with something existing like CowTip? or do something standalone? And if standalone, what do i need?`
`17:48.11`	`Obelixprime`	`the original reason to switch to rdx was to have buff frame to show who got the haste and revitalize breath during kiljaeden`
`17:48.12`	`nocts\|work`	`Obelixprime: You can have decursive highlight debuff types, not timers though. Are timers that important for your decursing?`
`17:48.18`	`Obelixprime`	`as i was going to be one of the dragon controllers`
`17:48.23`	`Thaoky`	`worf: what kind of info ? in which situation ?`
`17:48.23`	`Obelixprime`	`but that didn't really work out`
`17:48.36`	`Worf`	`Thaoky: target-of info in group/raid`
`17:48.58`	`nocts\|work`	`Either way, give those ideas a shot and rescreenshot :) Hope it ends up working for you`
`17:48.59`	`Obelixprime`	`nocts\|work no, not really`
`17:49.06`	`Obelixprime`	`yeah`
`17:49.13`	`Obelixprime`	`i'll mess around a bit tonight before the raid`
`17:49.16`	`Obelixprime`	`adn take a bunch of screenshots`
`17:49.19`	`nocts\|work`	`awesome`
`17:49.46`	`Obelixprime`	`thanks for the help and questions!`
`17:49.49`	`Thaoky`	`worf: you need a hook on gametooltip then, on function OnTooltipSetUnit I believe`
`17:50.50`	`nocts\|work`	`np`
`17:51.12`	`CIA-47`	`03profalbert * r81000 10Parrot/ (Data/Cooldowns.lua Locales/ParrotLocale-enUS.lua):`
`17:51.12`	`CIA-47`	`Parrot:`
`17:51.12`	`CIA-47`	`- the secondary spell-ready-condition now only checks if the cooldown is`
`17:51.12`	`CIA-47`	`0`
`17:51.12`	`CIA-47`	`- new "Spell Usable"-condition returns if IsUsableSpell is true`
`17:51.12`	`CIA-47`	`- this fixes the Riposte-trigger (yes really)`
`17:51.18`	`Worf`	`aye - but since i last did such hooking, much has changed ... i did look into what i did beliefe would be a simple addon (ItemPriceTooltip), but i was kinda overhelmed and couldn't identify what i would actually need`
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`17:53.05`	`Thaoky`	`build something small with ace3 or rock (whatever you like the most), then simply hook this function, with some effort, it shouldn't be too hard`
`17:53.55`	`nocts\|work`	`Seems abit overkill to hook an entire framework for something that small?`
`17:54.07`	`Worf`	`Thaoky: ay, will try ...`
`17:54.45`	`Worf`	`actually i allready have Rock Docu open ...`
`17:55.03`	`Pneumatus`	`Ackis: ping`
`17:55.15`	VonhintenHOME`	`Why is it overkill (and it's not a whole framework usually)`
`17:55.17`	`Thaoky`	`one advice: start small`
`17:55.49`	`nocts\|work`	VonhintenHOME`: I'm still not completely familiar with Ace3, I just remember watching people use the entire Ace2 framework for small mods, such as tooltip adjustments.
`17:56.10`	VonhintenHOME`	`That's the whole point of common code. To be reused. That's the whole point of abstracted functionality. To insulate code from lower level pieces that might change.`
`17:56.28`	`nocts\|work`	`I agree :) It's the level of junkcode left over that isn't being used.`
`17:56.29`	`Worf`	`i try to start small ... actually - i'm currently searching for something that sounds like "for a minimal rock-based addon you need this lines ..."`
`17:56.37`	`Thaoky`	`I agree, a framework clearly makes things easier to begin with :)`
`17:56.39`	`nocts\|work`	`Since I don't know how much of Ace3 is modular, I can't say for sure.`
`17:57.05`	VonhintenHOME`	`Well, Ace3 was apparently built to be less "All or nothing"`
`17:58.18`	VonhintenHOME`	`Developers will be wasteful until they're told otherwise, even if everything they work with was designed to not be wasteful.`
`17:58.19`	`CIA-47`	`03profalbert * r81001 10Parrot/Data/Auras.lua:`
`17:58.19`	`CIA-47`	`Parrot:`
`17:58.19`	`CIA-47`	`- remove the aura-refresh-check, so that fades work again`
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`18:01.03`	`Worf`	`damn ... could one point me to the "start" of the Rock documentation? all i find are "special" things... or am i just blind?`
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`18:06.01`	`nocts\|work`	`Worf: good question`
`18:06.37`	`Worf`	`ok, i now found in the API differences some line that looks important`
`18:06.38`	`Worf`	`AceLibrary("AceAddon-2.0"):new(...) => Rock:NewAddon("name", ...)`
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`18:07.03`	`Thaoky`	`you might want to try the ace3 tutorial, it has a step by step approach, very helpful when writing your first addon`
`18:07.37`	`profalbert`	`Worf: Rock: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Rock but I also suggest Ace3`
`18:09.43`	`Worf`	`ok, will do ... a tutorial is what i need now`
`18:10.05`	`Worf`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Ace3/Getting_Started ?`
`18:11.04`	`Thaoky`	`rather http://www.wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace3_Addon`
`18:11.40`	`Thaoky`	`basically your 2 starting points are:`
`18:12.02`	`Thaoky`	`1) create you addon "object" (myaddon = acelibblabl(...):New ..`
`18:12.08`	Lonny`	`I'm currently working on the GUI of my addon, and I'm not quite sure how to implement some buttons into the Blizzard options, is there any tutorial available ?`
`18:12.27`	`Thaoky`	`2) you get 3 methods: OnInitialize, OnEnable, OnDisable, and you start from thre`
`18:12.30`	`Thaoky`	`*there`
`18:12.48`	`profalbert`	Lonny`: you don't use ace3config, do you?
`18:13.04`	`Obelixprime`	`i really don't understand why not all addons use the blizzard addon config window`
`18:13.06`	Lonny`	`I do, but I'm pretty new to Ace do I'm not quite sure mate :)`
`18:13.22`	Lonny`	`so*`
`18:13.54`	`Thaoky`	`Obelix: depends on your addon's ui I think`
`18:14.01`	Lonny`	`I'm used to create everything from the ground up and it's my 1st Ace addon so a little help would be handy :)`
`18:14.28`	`Thaoky`	`if you have a small addon, blizz config will do, if you have something like x-perl, it's appropriate for it to have its own config`
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`18:14.55`	`nocts\|work`	`Obelixprime: I personally prefer command line, that and without an additional mod that blizzard configuration window is rather limited.`
`18:15.01`	`nocts\|work`	`Even unmovable.`
`18:15.53`	`profalbert`	`config via command-line is only good for options that need to be changed often (e.g. whether some window should be shown)`
`18:16.03`	Lonny`	`So back to the topic, I'm trying to implement some buttons similar to BindPad buttons into the Blizzard UI is it possible ?`
`18:19.49`	`Obelixprime`	`shrug, ok, i stand corrected`
`18:20.04`	Lonny`	`Well nvm I think I found a way`
`18:20.24`	`nocts\|work`	Lonny`: I remember there being one, but iirc those are all secured functions.
`18:21.42`	Lonny`	`Yeah I'll just use something else rather than buttons`
`18:22.06`	`CIA-47`	`cork: 03Tekkub 07master * r09dfd88 10/ classes/PaladinSeal.lua : Pally seal was missing Seal of Wisdom - http://is.gd/1WaK`
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`18:23.28`	`nocts\|work`	`Mouse gestures and alteration of bindpad are secured and not allowed.`
`18:23.40`	`nocts\|work`	`BindPad itself has it's own signature to be used on the secure functions.`
`18:26.04`	`clad\|away`	`Arrowmaster: pong`
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`18:31.33`	`Obelixprime`	`is potion sickness still in the beta?`
`18:32.06`	`nocts\|work`	`As of aug 11th it wasn't?`
`18:32.25`	`nocts\|work`	`Not sure if they've readded it since.`
`18:32.33`	`Obelixprime`	`right, but I never heard if the change being reverted was permanent or what not`
`18:32.47`	`nocts\|work`	`Neither have I`
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`18:33.23`	`Obelixprime`	`hmmm`
`18:33.39`	`SunTsu`	`I heard it was reversed`
`18:33.46`	`SunTsu`	`And never added again`
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`18:33.50`	`CIA-47`	`03adirelle * r81002 10Yatba/ (Debug.lua Yatba.lua): Yatba: unit filters are now disjointed, e.g. "your pet" is not included by "other party members".`
`18:35.06`	`Obelixprime`	`What's Yatba`
`18:37.01`	`Adirelle`	`see http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14805.0`
`18:38.18`	`Pkekyo\|`	`"In WotLK sap will work on pretty much everything with a brain. It's a huge nerf to Horde Rogues, since they won't be able to use it against Alliance in PvP any more."`
`18:39.57`	`winkiller`	`LOL`
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`18:41.16`	`Pkekyo\|`	`:p`
`18:46.11`	`aestil`	`Antiarc: amazing work with blippr. I think its a complete product now.`
`18:46.49`	VonhintenHOME`	`what is blippr`
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`18:48.17`	`nocts\|work`	`Obelixprime: If you learn anything, let me know.`
`18:48.20`	Lonny`	`Part of my UI includes a section where the user can choose to monitor specific events, or spells, but I'm not sure how to represent either of them on the UI, I thought about buttons but I'm not quite sure how to implement it (if it's possible at all) ... any suggestions ?`
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`18:50.16`	`GUARDiAN-`	`hi`
`18:50.42`	`nocts\|work`	`Hello`
`18:51.03`	`GUARDiAN-`	`i'm seeing strange lags when using cowtip together with pitbull and/or grid... is this the right place to ask for help? ;-)`
`18:51.50`	`nocts\|work`	`Yup`
`18:52.09`	`nocts\|work`	`At what point are you experiencing lag?`
`18:52.39`	`Worf`	`ha, i did it - i added a line to the tooltip ...`
`18:52.49`	`GUARDiAN-`	`when i move the mouse cursor over a unitframe or a player in the grid frame, the whole game hangs for like a quarter to half second`
`18:53.24`	`GUARDiAN-`	`when i deactivate the line texts in cowtip, this doesn't happen, so i assume that libdogtag might be the problem`
`18:54.01`	`GUARDiAN-`	`interesting thing is, that this doesn't happen when i mouseover a player directly. only when moving the cursor over a unitframe`
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`18:55.18`	`GUARDiAN-`	`i already tried reinstalling the addons with no-ext which doesn't have any effect. i'm updating using jwowupdater so it should be all the latest versions`
`18:56.37`	`nocts\|work`	`I think that's the dogtag3 bug.`
`18:56.42`	`nocts\|work`	`Ellipsis: Verify?`
`18:57.00`	`aestil`	`Antiarc: blippr request. When I mouse over a blip, and it shows me what the average blip is and what the average blip of my friends is, shouldnt it also show me what my blippr score was?`
`18:58.49`	`GUARDiAN-`	`so... is there any workaround for that bug, or some kind of fix?`
`18:59.11`	`Ellipsis`	`I've never heard of that issue`
`18:59.16`	`Zhinjio`	`I want to be able to show and hide several controls (checkboxes and text, mostly) with a single show/hide`
`18:59.24`	`Ellipsis`	`nor does it make any sense`
`18:59.25`	`Zhinjio`	`is it possible to just parent them to a single invisible control or something?`
`18:59.43`	`Zhinjio`	`maybe a fontsting that is empty or something?`
`19:00.03`	`nocts\|work`	`Ellipsis: You've never had cowtip hang because of the dogtag lines? O.o`
`19:00.05`	`Ellipsis`	`Zhinjio: parent them to a frame, then show/hide that frame`
`19:00.18`	`Ellipsis`	`nocts: not on grid`
`19:00.27`	`Zhinjio`	`does the frame have to be a visible frame?`
`19:00.27`	`Ellipsis`	`he's saying it happens on grid frames but not world units`
`19:00.31`	`Ellipsis`	`which makes NO SENSE at all`
`19:00.33`	`Zhinjio`	`I mean... with a texture or anything>`
`19:00.34`	`Zhinjio`	`?`
`19:00.35`	`Ellipsis`	`Zhinjio: nope`
`19:00.37`	`Zhinjio`	`ok`
`19:00.40`	`Zhinjio`	`then thats perfect.`
`19:00.43`	`Zhinjio`	`thanks`
`19:01.20`	`Zhinjio`	`hugs Ellipsis`
`19:01.25`	`nocts\|work`	`Oh`
`19:02.04`	`Ellipsis`	`that means grid must be doing something screwy to tooltips`
`19:02.17`	`Ellipsis`	`I don't know why it would only happen with cowtip enabled, they're probably fighting over some aspect of it`
`19:02.58`	`fewyn`	`mmm`
`19:02.59`	`fewyn`	`sldiers`
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`19:07.52`	`Obelixprime`	`nocts\|work: a friend of mine who is also in the beta said that the potion sickness debuff has been removed, but the functionality remains`
`19:08.09`	`Obelixprime`	`i.e. not being able to pot multiple times in combat`
`19:09.48`	`Obelixprime`	`I was reading the ghostcrawler post about raid make ups and they talked about how survival hunters and ret paladins are the new shadowpriests`
`19:10.08`	`Obelixprime`	`i.e. they return mana to their group`
`19:10.17`	`Obelixprime`	`they're not changing it to be raidwide?`
`19:10.47`	`GUARDiAN-`	`Ellipsis: i know it sounds strange, but that's the way it isâ¦ when hovering over world units i don't get the lag`
`19:11.32`	`Ellipsis`	`well it's probably grid and cowtip fighting over something (I don't know what settings grid has for controlling its tooltips)`
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`19:12.34`	`Aeyan`	`Obelixprime: Supposedly they're 'playing' with the idea of raidwide VT`
`19:13.33`	`Obelixprime`	`i see that the retadin's judgement of the wise is raid wide (but limited to 3 targets)`
`19:13.49`	`Obelixprime`	`Aeyan: Right, I've read about that`
`19:14.01`	`Obelixprime`	`but the retadin's mana return is sort of junk`
`19:15.27`	`Obelixprime`	`or it looks like it`
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`19:16.28`	`nocts\|work`	`Obelixprime: Interesting...`
`19:20.33`	`CIA-47`	`03zhinjio * r81003 10AckisRecipeList/ (5 files in 3 dirs):`
`19:20.33`	`CIA-47`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`19:20.33`	`CIA-47`	`- major new gui update`
`19:20.33`	`CIA-47`	`- exp pane is done (new buttons)`
`19:20.33`	`CIA-47`	`- flyaway pane needs checkboxen`
`19:20.34`	`CIA-47`	`- ackis needs to chill`
`19:21.05`	`AckisWork`	`:O`
`19:22.07`	`Thaoky`	`gz :P`
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`19:25.03`	`CIA-47`	`03ackis * r81004 10AckisRecipeList/ (AckisRecipeList.lua RecipeDB/ARL-Alchemy.lua):`
`19:25.03`	`CIA-47`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`19:25.03`	`CIA-47`	`- Add "type" flags to the alchemy trinkets so they can be filtered that way`
`19:25.03`	`CIA-47`	`- Modified a few comments in main file`
`19:25.03`	`CIA-47`	`- Dry-coded (compiles with luac -p)`
`19:25.03`	`CIA-47`	`Ackis shivers brrrrr!`
`19:25.35`	`Wraithan`	`I bartender4 going to support grouping/snaping together? It was ok at first, but it is getting rather annoying without this feature`
`19:26.31`	`profalbert`	`Wraithan: just a nice2have imho`
`19:27.44`	`Wraithan`	`Eh, I am just going to move to a different addon`
`19:30.25`	`nevcairiel`	`I really wonder how often people move their bars`
`19:30.27`	`nevcairiel`	`but shrug`
`19:30.41`	`AckisWork`	`it's something I missed when setting it up tbh`
`19:30.48`	`Shefki`	`They probably don't...`
`19:31.04`	`Shefki`	`But ease of configuration is a huge thing as far as which addon people select.`
`19:31.08`	`nocts\|work`	`It's still an issue for continued use. I know the UI I have know isn't the same ui as last month.`
`19:31.19`	`Shefki`	`I know a lot of people install an addon, get frustrated configuring it so try something else.`
`19:31.25`	`AckisWork`	`and it would be nice to snap to things like chat windows, unit frames but that's a whole other issue`
`19:31.27`	`nocts\|work`	`^`
`19:32.03`	`nocts\|work`	`To Shefki, ackis stole my arrow`
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`19:32.03`	`Obelixprime`	`so yeah, going back to spriest replacements... shadowpriests will do lets say 1800-2000 dps at level 80 (in top of the line gear) that's 180 mp5 to 200 mp5 per person so, 900 to 1000 mp5`
`19:32.32`	`nevcairiel`	`AckisWork: chat windows would be relatively easy to do, unitframes however`
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`19:33.31`	`vithos`	`shadowpriests do 1750 right now, you really figure 1800-2000?`
`19:33.51`	`AckisWork`	`what ever happened to that snap-together library?`
`19:34.08`	`profalbert`	`that was a lib?`
`19:34.12`	`dodga`	`1750 is pushing it very hard AFAIK`
`19:34.19`	`AckisWork`	`there was one iirc`
`19:34.24`	`vithos`	`i agree, that's top end right now`
`19:34.40`	`vithos`	`not something you'd expect out of every one`
`19:34.47`	`Stanzilla`	`I do 1700 on brut sometimes`
`19:35.01`	`dodga`	`most fights won't allow you to go all-out anyway because of right damage`
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`19:35.13`	`dodga`	`err raid`
`19:36.00`	`vithos`	`being threat capped by the healing?`
`19:36.14`	`vithos`	`or pushback`
`19:36.59`	`dodga`	`Well if you cannot afford to fall below X HP you're quite hesitant on using SW:D, at least I am`
`19:37.04`	`vithos`	`ah right`
`19:37.14`	`dodga`	`Also with VE you'll be threat master of all classes :>`
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`19:37.52`	`dodga`	`Sometimes when I start all-out dpsing and then notice Omen with my name right behind the tank I think "Well, better stop for a sec" and the DoTs still go...`
`19:37.59`	`dodga`	`That are truly epic moments`
`19:38.39`	`dodga`	`but anyways, I'm just lazy and don't use destruction pots often, so I don't exceed 1400 often :p`
`19:38.47`	`Wraithan`	`nevcairiel: a fair amount when you use 2 different resolutions and 3 different accounts`
`19:39.28`	`Wraithan`	`nevcairiel: sometimes I am running in span mode with one wow client taking up both screens, sometimes I am running in dualview mode and have a window on each screen`
`19:40.04`	`Wraithan`	`changing resolutions messes everything up and I have to move my bars each time, especially the ones that go on the second monitor in span mode`
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`19:53.00`	`cncfanatics`	`Wraithan: hello :)`
`19:53.06`	`Wraithan`	`cncfanatics: howdy`
`19:53.09`	`cncfanatics`	`pm`
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`19:53.20`	`Zyndrome`	`hurr`
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`20:06.29`	`CIA-47`	`03ackis * r81005 10WelfareEpics/WelfareEpics.lua:`
`20:06.29`	`CIA-47`	`WelfareEpics:`
`20:06.29`	`CIA-47`	`- Lets remove all the tab code and stuff, we're going to use drop-down menu's!!!`
`20:06.29`	`CIA-47`	`- This should work for filtered items, all of the extra categorization won't work however`
`20:06.29`	`CIA-47`	`- Started the drop-down menu stuff (aka created a function)`
`20:06.31`	`CIA-47`	`- Dry-coded (compiles w/ luac -p)`
`20:11.43`	`Fisker-`	`how fucking hilarious :D`
`20:12.06`	`Fisker-`	`shahraz at 4% and fatal attraction spawns in the raid and they are stuck :D`
`20:12.16`	`Fisker-`	`wiping on 1% ftw`
`20:15.11`	`Thaoky`	`reminds me of the good old Vael :)`
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`20:16.58`	`Obelixprime`	`ok`
`20:17.00`	`Obelixprime`	`back`
`20:17.02`	`Obelixprime`	`sorry about that`
`20:17.08`	`Obelixprime`	`so going back on theorycrafting`
`20:17.11`	`fewyn`	`i wonder if this restart will turn back on storm peaks`
`20:17.19`	`Obelixprime`	`i just picked 1800-2000 dps cause that seems about right`
`20:17.34`	`Obelixprime`	`rogues do 3000 right now, i'd say they do 4000 at level 80`
`20:17.51`	`Obelixprime`	`so 55% of 4000 is 2200`
`20:17.57`	`Obelixprime`	`so lets go 2000-2200 then`
`20:18.17`	VonhintenHOME`	`rogues do 3000, what?`
`20:18.22`	`Obelixprime`	`dps`
`20:18.42`	VonhintenHOME`	`sustained, on a non-gimmick fight?`
`20:18.45`	VonhintenHOME`	`I'm calling BS`
`20:18.53`	`Obelixprime`	`on brutallus`
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`20:20.15`	`Obelixprime`	`its not often and you have to have a bunch of stuff made in your favor`
`20:20.21`	`Obelixprime`	`but i'm using it as a bench mark`
`20:20.27`	`Obelixprime`	`so if shadowpriests do 2200 dps`
`20:20.52`	`Obelixprime`	`that's roughly 220 mp5 per person, so 1100 to the group`
`20:21.22`	`Obelixprime`	`so, on a raid basis that's like 44 mp5`
`20:22.09`	`Obelixprime`	`where a judgement of command will hit for what, 3k max?w`
`20:22.40`	`Obelixprime`	`so it would return a total of 1800 mana to 3 people`
`20:22.46`	`Obelixprime`	`every 8 seconds`
`20:23.36`	`Fisker-`	`finally that bitch hit the floor`
`20:24.42`	`Obelixprime`	`that's like 1125 mp5`
`20:25.00`	`Obelixprime`	`which is 45 mp5 in a raid`
`20:25.06`	`Obelixprime`	`so maybe retadins won't be junk`
`20:27.22`	`GUARDiAN-`	`Ellipsis: i'm having the lag not only with grid but on my pitbull unitframes also`
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`20:27.53`	`Fisker-`	`GUARDiAN- Ellipsis is dead`
`20:28.26`	`Ellipsis`	`I died of Fisker- overdose`
`20:28.48`	`GUARDiAN-`	`oh-kayâ¦ ;)`
`20:28.49`	`Ellipsis`	`GUARDiAN-: not sure what to tell you. does it happen with default unitframes? does it happen if you disable all other addons?`
`20:29.01`	`Obelixprime`	`for survival hunters given a 40% crit rate on their steady shots only`
`20:30.26`	`GUARDiAN-`	`ok, i'm going to make some tests`
`20:31.05`	`Obelixprime`	`and given a party of casters with 50k mana total`
`20:31.33`	`Obelixprime`	`meaning every crit would return 1000 mana`
`20:33.02`	`Obelixprime`	`if all hunters cast were steady shot then they could hit up to 80 mp5 raid wide`
`20:33.21`	`Obelixprime`	`but i'm guessing that won't be the case since that number seems a bit high`
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`20:33.35`	`Primer`	`!points 700`
`20:33.35`	`Xinhuan`	`700 arena points require 1761(5s), 1823(3s) and 1905(2s) team rating.`
`20:33.55`	`GUARDiAN-`	`i just moved everything except cowtip and pitbull out of the addons-folder and logged in`
`20:33.58`	`GUARDiAN-`	`still the same`
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`20:34.57`	`GUARDiAN-`	`quarter to half second lag when moving the mouse over a unitframe`
`20:35.46`	`CIA-47`	`03ackis * r81006 10WelfareEpics/WelfareEpics.lua:`
`20:35.46`	`CIA-47`	`WelfareEpics:`
`20:35.46`	`CIA-47`	`- Added initial drop-down menu code, it won't show at all, I need to place it on the merchant frame`
`20:35.46`	`CIA-47`	`- Dry-coded (compiles w/ luac -p)`
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`20:37.17`	`CIA-47`	`03kagaro * r81007 10kgPanels/kgPanels.lua: kgPanels: fix posible lookup issues with borders and backgrounds`
`20:37.40`	`CIA-47`	`03kagaro * r81008 10kgPanelsConfig/kgPanelsConfig.lua: kgPanelsConfig: fix possible lookup collision for borders vs backgrounds`
`20:38.35`	`GUARDiAN-`	`tested with only grid and cowtip - still lagging`
`20:38.42`	`GUARDiAN-`	`tested with cowtip only - still lagging`
`20:39.35`	`GUARDiAN-`	`even when moving the cursor over the default unitframes`
`20:39.47`	`GUARDiAN-`	`but still no lag when hovering over a world unit`
`20:40.34`	`Ellipsis`	`GUARDiAN-: that's very odd, I've never experienced it o.O`
`20:41.55`	`CIA-47`	`03ackis * r81009 10WelfareEpics/WelfareEpics.lua:`
`20:41.56`	`CIA-47`	`WelfareEpics:`
`20:41.56`	`CIA-47`	`- Update comments/credits in comments`
`20:41.56`	`CIA-47`	`- Dry-coded (compiles w/ luac -p)`
`20:42.37`	`nocts\|work`	`Anyone have experience with uninterruptable power supplies?`
`20:42.54`	`GUARDiAN-`	`i just cleaned my savedvariables... same thing. only way to get rid of the lag is to disable line texts in cowtip, but where's the point in using cowtip without the dogtags? ;)`
`20:43.42`	`CIA-47`	`03ag 07Ace3-WotLK * r81010 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames/ (ag_UnitClass.lua ag_UnitFrames.lua): ag_UnitFrames: Redid position loading/saving... Reposition your stuff or reset db profile after updating to this rev`
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`21:13.14`	`Adirelle`	`scrolling back and forth wath is blippr ?`
`21:13.30`	`CIA-47`	`03ackis * r81011 10AckisRecipeList/ (. RecipeMiner.lua externals.txt):`
`21:13.30`	`CIA-47`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`21:13.30`	`CIA-47`	`- Update externals to get the dataminer`
`21:13.30`	`CIA-47`	`- Dry-coded (compiles with luac -p)`
`21:16.13`	`charon`	`Ackis: typo there, should say "compiles with luac :p"`
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`21:19.45`	`Adirelle`	`charon: "luac :p" gives an error, so I guess 'luac -p' is the right spelling :)`
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`21:20.14`	`cncfanatics`	`charon: fail`
`21:21.41`	`Obelixprime`	`whats with the dry-coded (compiles with luac -p) supposed to mean`
`21:22.23`	`Adirelle`	`it means you didn't launched WoW to check if it works`
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`21:22.37`	`cncfanatics`	`luac -p is a command`
`21:22.42`	`cncfanatics`	`the p stands for parse`
`21:22.51`	`cncfanatics`	`it means the lua compiler can parse the code`
`21:22.55`	`cncfanatics`	`aka, its syntax error free`
`21:23.54`	`Fisker-`	`btw`
`21:24.03`	`Fisker-`	`what's the deal with illidan and shear in 3.0?`
`21:24.36`	`nevcairiel`	`why?`
`21:24.43`	`cncfanatics`	`why is it a deal ?`
`21:24.47`	`Fisker-`	`dunno`
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`21:24.53`	`Fisker-`	`people are qq'ing that it ruins their raid!`
`21:25.05`	`cncfanatics`	`whatever, learn to shield block`
`21:25.15`	`cncfanatics`	`its not cuz he doesn't crush anymore that shield block doesn't have to be used`
`21:25.27`	`Megalon`	`illidan never crushed`
`21:25.32`	`charon`	`Adirelle, cncfanatics: evidently humour is wasted on you`
`21:25.56`	`kenlyric`	`they'll be lucky if they can even get people to do illidan`
`21:26.04`	`Adirelle`	`charon: that was too basic :)`
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`21:26.41`	`Fisker-`	`http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/9237647070-illidans-shear-and-wow-30-talents.html`
`21:27.03`	`Ellipsis`	`illidan deep breaths moar?`
`21:27.33`	`Adirelle`	`^^`
`21:28.20`	`Adirelle`	`I'm quite sure it does, we need moar dotz, moar dotz`
`21:28.22`	`kenlyric`	`seriously, 2.0 made raiding dead`
`21:28.22`	`cncfanatics`	`charon: nah, that was on purpose`
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`21:28.28`	`kenlyric`	`3.0 won't be much different`
`21:28.29`	`Fisker-`	`nein`
`21:28.32`	`charon`	`i'm not an old time hacker, and by the time i tried linux the snow storms had gone, but i still learned command line options uphill both ways`
`21:28.39`	`Fisker-`	`just wondering what we'll have to consider when we get to illidan`
`21:28.58`	`Fisker-`	`since we probably will get to him post-3.0 if those "couple of weeks"-statements are true`
`21:31.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`charon: oh yeah well i learned command line options uphill both ways over ssh since none of my linux boxes even have X installed, or even monitors! (except the laptop but that still doesnt even have X)`
`21:32.49`	`nocts\|work`	`Long live bash.`
`21:33.02`	`Obelixprime`	`i call BS on the coming weeks`
`21:33.15`	`charon`	`Arrowmaster: doesn't that just imply that you're still running a Lesser OS(tm) on the machine actually having a monitor? :p`
`21:33.21`	`Groktar`	`coming weeks could = ptr in 3 weeks`
`21:33.27`	`nocts\|work`	`A Lesser OS?`
`21:33.28`	`Groktar`	`then 3.0 2 months after that`
`21:33.29`	`nocts\|work`	`Huh?`
`21:33.29`	`Obelixprime`	`if they're going to release the talents and have their 10 million subscribers be the final beta testers that's bull`
`21:33.43`	`Groktar`	`nah, they'll put it on ptr for a while`
`21:33.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`no it means i dont have a place to put it and use it so i just have it connected to the network sitting in a corner`
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`21:34.15`	`Adirelle`	`they have to, there are still weird issues`
`21:34.21`	`smcn`	`it'll certainly be interesting to see lvl 70 arenas when 3.0 hits`
`21:34.39`	`Groktar`	`it's going to be like when 2.0 came out`
`21:34.45`	`Obelixprime`	`i don't know, i like that it appears as if i'll be able to play wrath live soon, but my guild hasn't killed kj, nad i haven't levelled a bunch of my alts using refere a friend yet`
`21:34.46`	`Adirelle`	`I often have unexplainable double-crits with my hunter`
`21:34.51`	`Obelixprime`	`so its just fucking over my plans completely`
`21:34.56`	`smcn`	`i might actually play live for titan grip war + imp tree druid :D`
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`21:37.40`	`ckknight`	`I wish lua had generator expressions like python or ruby, [f(x) for x in blah if is_something(x)]`
`21:41.13`	`ckknight`	`doing the same thing in lua is like 6 lines :-P`
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`21:42.01`	`dodga`	`do it in perl by smashing your head on the keyboard! :D`
`21:42.05`	`nocts\|work`	`lol`
`21:42.17`	`nocts\|work`	`perl != warLock`
`21:42.24`	`dodga`	`or ice mage`
`21:42.56`	`nocts\|work`	`oh snap`
`21:43.48`	`Chompers`	`what does an expression generator do?`
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`21:44.05`	`charon`	`he had the word order right ;)`
`21:44.10`	`Chompers`	`bah`
`21:44.15`	`ckknight`	`Chompers: something completely different from a generator expression`
`21:44.24`	`nocts\|work`	`lol`
`21:44.29`	`Chompers`	`a generator expression doesnt sound right`
`21:44.53`	`ckknight`	`also, I'd be fine with a non-painful map/filter/reduce`
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`21:46.06`	`charon`	`reduce is always painful`
`21:47.39`	`thul`	`http://ulrikft.smugmug.com/photos/359689038_pp7ty-X2.jpg < portrait of the day`
`21:48.46`	`charon`	`(for anyone claiming the opposite, i have this neat little function: "reduce(lambda a,b: a*(n-b)//(b+1), xrange(k), 1)" )`
`21:48.53`	`CIA-47`	`03ag 07Ace3-WotLK * r81012 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames/ag_GroupClass.lua: ag_UnitFrames: group header needed the new position code too`
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`21:51.21`	`Groktar`	`has anyone noticed that the first time you target a mob with the wotlk ag unitframes the target and targettarget frame are out of position?`
`21:51.34`	`Groktar`	`then once you get ooc and target something again it's fun?`
`21:51.37`	`Groktar`	`*fine`
`21:52.06`	`fewyn`	`yay`
`21:52.09`	`fewyn`	`storm peaks is back`
`21:52.18`	`fewyn`	`mooooooore questing!`
`21:52.35`	`Groktar`	`i blame the crashing on storm peaks`
`21:52.48`	`fewyn`	`is it crashing a lot since the restarts?`
`21:52.52`	`Groktar`	`ya`
`21:52.58`	`fewyn`	`then they probably didn't fix it`
`21:52.59`	`fewyn`	`le sigh`
`21:53.10`	`Groktar`	`ya, they restarted servers and opened it up`
`21:53.18`	`Groktar`	`now they've been borked for about 30 minutes`
`21:53.22`	`Groktar`	`chat works, but that's it`
`21:53.31`	`Groktar`	`you can't even get past the loading screen`
`21:53.53`	`Groktar`	`i'd be more annoyed if i didn't have to leave for class in 10 minutes`
`21:53.56`	`fewyn`	`things seem to be working for me`
`21:54.01`	`Groktar`	`server?`
`21:54.10`	`Groktar`	`i'm on lich king`
`21:54.10`	`fewyn`	`northrend`
`21:54.12`	`fewyn`	`ah`
`21:54.12`	`Groktar`	`kk`
`21:54.16`	`fewyn`	`pvp servers ftl`
`21:54.24`	`CIA-47`	`03ag 07Ace3-WotLK * r81013 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_Options/ag_ModuleOptions.lua: ag_UnitFrames: fix some aura options not working`
`21:54.46`	`Groktar`	`where is ag? i want to whine about that funky thing with the frame positions`
`21:55.04`	`fewyn`	`heh`
`21:55.16`	`fewyn`	`i did a whois`
`21:55.19`	`fewyn`	`he's not in any channels`
`21:55.27`	`fewyn`	`he's connected tho`
`21:56.08`	`ckknight`	`clearly, lua needs LINQ or something :-P`
`21:56.21`	`Groktar`	`there, i send him a lewd tell`
`21:56.36`	`Groktar`	`*sent`
`21:56.43`	`Groktar`	`damn my goodry engrish`
`21:57.22`	`Groktar`	`what are people using to check addon memory usuage in wotlk?`
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`21:59.39`	`KriLL3`	`I got 4GB of ram, I don't care :>`
`22:00.00`	`AckisWork`	`lua> if ("foo" == ("bar" or "foo")) then print("1") end`
`22:00.01`	`lua_bot`	`AckisWork: No output`
`22:00.23`	`Groktar`	`well, wow has thrown tantrums at me a couple times for my addons using too much memory`
`22:00.27`	`Groktar`	`and i only have like 4 of them`
`22:00.32`	`KriLL3`	`odd`
`22:00.39`	`Groktar`	`so something is borked`
`22:00.42`	`KriLL3`	`is one of them auctioneer? =P`
`22:00.45`	`Groktar`	`no`
`22:00.54`	`KriLL3`	`tried switching one of at a time?`
`22:01.00`	`Groktar`	`it takes like an hour of playtime`
`22:01.06`	`KriLL3`	`oh`
`22:01.17`	`Groktar`	`i KNOW there are addons to check addon memory usage`
`22:01.32`	`Groktar`	`i really don't want to play for an hour without my unitframes or bartender`
`22:01.39`	`charon`	`PerformanceFu?`
`22:01.46`	`Groktar`	`do i need fubar for that?`
`22:01.47`	`KriLL3`	`bartender isn't very useful imo`
`22:01.53`	`KriLL3`	`it's nice, but not crucial`
`22:02.18`	`KriLL3`	`and paging isn't available yet right?`
`22:02.38`	`Groktar`	`no idea`
`22:02.49`	`Groktar`	`my warrior isn't on beta`
`22:02.56`	`Gnarfoz`	`uhm`
`22:03.00`	`KriLL3`	`I'm a feral drood, paging is kinda crucial`
`22:03.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`how is bartender not useful`
`22:03.13`	`KriLL3`	`what functionality does it add?`
`22:03.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`do you honestly like the blizzard bars as a dr00d?`
`22:03.36`	`KriLL3`	`no I use bartender on live`
`22:03.38`	`Gnarfoz`	`uhm bt4's functionality, because it's bt4.`
`22:04.04`	`Groktar`	`class time`
`22:04.06`	`Groktar`	`later muffins`
`22:04.08`	`KriLL3`	`but what does it add feature wise over blizzard's bars? it looks a lot better, but is that it?`
`22:04.10`	`nevcairiel`	`I cant live without BT4 because it shifts page on tree of life, and cant turn that off`
`22:04.31`	`nevcairiel`	`i mean default ui shifts`
`22:04.34`	`nevcairiel`	`and cant turn that off`
`22:04.40`	`KriLL3`	`?`
`22:04.46`	`KriLL3`	`do you mean that's a good thing or what?`
`22:05.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`he doesn't want to shift under circumstance X, like being in tree form.`
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`22:05.38`	`KriLL3`	`and BT4 doesn't allow that or what?..`
`22:05.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`try reading what he said again`
`22:05.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`including his own correction :p`
`22:05.58`	`KriLL3`	`it doesn't make sense`
`22:06.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`yes it does.`
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`22:06.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`I don't even play a druid and I understand it`
`22:06.23`	`Pkekyo\|`	`anyone here keeping up with BSG?`
`22:06.31`	`Gnarfoz`	`AFAIK: not running`
`22:06.32`	`Gnarfoz`	`:X`
`22:06.37`	`KriLL3`	`the default UI shifts bar on treeform or not?`
`22:06.46`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Gnarfoz: since when?`
`22:06.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`Pkekyo\|: since... ages?`
`22:07.12`	`Pkekyo\|`	`how many seasons did it end at?`
`22:07.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`4...ish?`
`22:07.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`I delete after I watch`
`22:07.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`dunno. :D`
`22:07.56`	`Pkekyo\|`	`oh, I've only got two :/`
`22:08.39`	`kenlyric`	`there's still half a season left`
`22:09.34`	`KriLL3`	`BSG started out cool with action and stuff, then it turned into a soap opera`
`22:09.44`	`Gnarfoz`	`it is a space opera`
`22:09.53`	`Pkekyo\|`	`kenlyric: Gnarfoz said it isn't running anymore?`
`22:09.56`	`Gnarfoz`	`what the fuck did you expect :D`
`22:10.00`	`KriLL3`	`well they don't ever jump into vipers and shoot stuff anymore`
`22:10.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`Pkekyo\|: not running atm.`
`22:10.20`	`Gnarfoz`	`KriLL3: who cares, watch xXx part 4 please`
`22:10.23`	`KriLL3`	`same as heroes, started out awesome then just becomes drama`
`22:10.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`it's because they're fucking DRAMA series`
`22:10.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`not action movies.`
`22:10.45`	`KriLL3`	`yeah but they did have some action in em at the start, then it vanished`
`22:10.45`	`Pkekyo\|`	`lopsilols`
`22:11.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`they got "on track" so to speak. :p`
`22:11.10`	`Pkekyo\|`	`just be careful with the spoilers`
`22:11.20`	`KriLL3`	`I don't ask for 24/7 action but episodes all about relations between people etc makes me want to claw my eyes out`
`22:11.42`	`Gnarfoz`	`then drama and space opera series are probably not what you should watch :p`
`22:12.09`	`KriLL3`	`is there any good TV series on atm other than The Middleman?`
`22:12.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`I dunno, I watch the internet, not TV`
`22:12.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`:D`
`22:12.26`	`KriLL3`	`same`
`22:12.27`	`Pkekyo\|`	`the middleman?`
`22:12.32`	`KriLL3`	`Pkekyo\|: yeah`
`22:12.34`	`fewyn`	`the gymer quest in zul'drak is fracking awesome`
`22:12.35`	`Pkekyo\|`	`sounds gay`
`22:12.44`	`KriLL3`	`Pkekyo\|: it's about a superhero type guy`
`22:13.23`	`KriLL3`	`"fighting evil so you don't have to" walks around in a gray coat and a million chromed gadgets`
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`22:14.22`	`Pkekyo\|`	`chrome sucks`
`22:14.25`	`Pkekyo\|`	`screw middleman`
`22:14.33`	`KriLL3`	`"The Middleman is what Grillo-Marxuach calls a "Dirk Squarejaw" character. He is the all American hero and a callback to heroes of more innocent times. He hardly ever swears. He is rugged, dorky, and he drinks his four glasses of milk every day."`
`22:15.02`	`KriLL3`	`also he listens to country`
`22:15.11`	`KriLL3`	`and watch westerns`
`22:15.36`	`CIA-47`	`03ackis * r81014 10CNF/ (. CNF.lua CNF.toc DownloadCount.lua ReadMe.txt externals.txt):`
`22:15.36`	`CIA-47`	`CNF:`
`22:15.36`	`CIA-47`	`- Added new options (Merging with other CNF)`
`22:15.36`	`CIA-47`	`- Dry-coded (compiles w/ luac -p)`
`22:17.20`	`fewyn`	`and northrend go boom`
`22:17.40`	`fewyn`	`i blame Groktar`
`22:17.43`	`Pkekyo\|`	`about time, screw WotLK`
`22:18.14`	`fewyn`	`i'm enjoying it and testing it`
`22:18.14`	`KriLL3`	`fewyn: I blame zee Germanz`
`22:18.49`	`fewyn`	`that works too`
`22:18.52`	`CIA-47`	`03ag 07Ace3-WotLK * r81015 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitClass.lua: ag_UnitFrames: load scale before position`
`22:18.55`	`fewyn`	`i'd rather blame the french though`
`22:19.47`	`Megalon`	`it's wrong to be french!`
`22:19.54`	`Pkekyo\|`	`nah, if it was the french, the national food in northrend would be bratwurst`
`22:21.05`	`ckknight`	`bratwurst is German.`
`22:21.27`	`fewyn`	`xD`
`22:21.29`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ckknight: exactly`
`22:21.39`	`CIA-47`	`03ackis * r81016 10CNF/CNF.lua:`
`22:21.39`	`CIA-47`	`CNF:`
`22:21.39`	`CIA-47`	`- Add another option`
`22:21.39`	`CIA-47`	`- Dry-coded (compiles w/ luac -p)`
`22:21.46`	`Stanzilla`	`french = crunchy snails`
`22:21.52`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Stanzilla: irrelevant`
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`22:22.00`	`Stanzilla`	`nooo :(`
`22:22.26`	`Pkekyo\|`	`yes`
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`22:24.41`	`CIA-47`	`03zhinjio * r81017 10AckisRecipeList/ (ARLFrame.lua Locals/ARLLocals-enUS.lua):`
`22:24.41`	`CIA-47`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`22:24.41`	`CIA-47`	`- more newgui progress`
`22:24.50`	`KriLL3`	`there are a lot more germanz on the beta, or the frenchies are better at English or aren't as stuck up about using English`
`22:25.32`	`KriLL3`	`I'm Swedish, if I come across another Swede online or join a channel/chat/forum I don't default to Swedish, I stick to English`
`22:25.52`	`KriLL3`	`Germans seem to only ever speak German online unless somehow forced`
`22:26.14`	`Stanzilla`	`stimmt :P`
`22:26.15`	`Stanzilla`	`oops`
`22:26.16`	`Stanzilla`	`^^`
`22:26.34`	`Pkekyo\|`	`rofl`
`22:26.35`	`g0urra`	`KriLL3: you're not the only swede annoyed at the germans`
`22:27.14`	`CIA-47`	`03ag 07Ace3-WotLK * r81018 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames/ag_GroupClass.lua: ag_UnitFrames: set position to a table if it isn't`
`22:27.25`	`Pkekyo\|`	`why would swede be annoyed about germans? didn't they pay for their train tickets to norway in the '40s?`
`22:29.07`	`KriLL3`	`Pkekyo\|: our army was kinda pathetic, we could have tried to fight them and get raped in less than a couple of days to no effect and thus loose a lot more than we did, we did however supply intelligence reports to the British etc`
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`22:30.45`	`CIA-47`	`03nevcairiel 07Ace3-WotLK * r81019 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames/ag_GroupClass.lua: ag_UnitFrames: fix a logic error in position saving`
`22:30.47`	`Pkekyo\|`	`KriLL3: as was ours...we got raped...`
`22:31.14`	`KriLL3`	`Pkekyo\|: were are your from?`
`22:31.17`	`Pkekyo\|`	`norway`
`22:31.23`	`Pkekyo\|`	`;)`
`22:31.47`	`KriLL3`	`oh`
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`22:36.26`	`CIA-47`	`03ckknight * r81020 10LibDogTag-Unit-3.0/Categories/Auras.lua:`
`22:36.26`	`CIA-47`	`LibDogTag-Unit-3.0 - Simplify some of the Aura code so that it dispatches less`
`22:36.26`	`CIA-47`	`events. This will cause any aura-based tags to update when the unit's auras`
`22:36.26`	`CIA-47`	`update, which although it may cause more tags to update, it simplifies so much`
`22:36.26`	`CIA-47`	`of the event dispatch logic that it is likely worthwhile.`
`22:37.32`	`nocts\|work`	`^ win`
`22:37.47`	`ckknight`	`plztest`
`22:37.49`	`ckknight`	`kthx`
`22:38.22`	`fewyn`	`wtb bigger bags`
`22:38.23`	`CIA-47`	`03ag 07Ace3-WotLK * r81021 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitClass.lua: ag_UnitFrames: lets not do SetID anymore`
`22:39.23`	`nocts\|work`	`fewyn: I don't buy the "can't have larger bags" BS blizzard gave us.`
`22:39.49`	`nocts\|work`	`Enchanting bags and I think herbalist bags are larger than our largest 22 slot, and they have to calculate a great deal of various items inside the bags.`
`22:39.54`	`nocts\|work`	`Unlike a soulstone bag, for instance.`
`22:40.14`	`Antiarc`	`Hey`
`22:40.17`	`Antiarc`	`Have YOU tried Flippy?`
`22:40.19`	`Antiarc`	`If not, why not?`
`22:41.42`	`Obelixprime`	`where can i find a list of categories for autobar`
`22:42.19`	`ckknight`	`Antiarc: what's Flippy?`
`22:43.12`	`*** join/#wowace Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@wikia/Kirkburn)`
`22:43.13`	`Antiarc`	`It Clippy, the MS Word helper`
`22:43.16`	`Antiarc`	`Except for WoW!`
`22:43.28`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`22:43.30`	`ckknight`	`link?`
`22:43.32`	`Antiarc`	`http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_082508_210848.jpg`
`22:43.40`	`Antiarc`	`And I put it into the wowace SVN`
`22:43.48`	`Antiarc`	`It needs drivers for help topics`
`22:43.55`	`Antiarc`	`But the character display and behavior is in`
`22:44.38`	`charon`	`epic.`
`22:44.51`	`Antiarc`	`It includes a "Shoot Flippy" command, too.`
`22:44.56`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`22:45.12`	`Obelixprime`	`i'm trying to have a button that will show arcane protection potions for autobar`
`22:45.17`	`Obelixprime`	`but i can't seem to find the category it fits in`
`22:45.36`	`Pkekyo\|`	`you're a sick, demented human being Antiarc`
`22:45.41`	`nocts\|work`	`And he's mine`
`22:45.42`	`charon`	`Antiarc: is that link hosted well enough to be posted around a bit? guild forums and such`
`22:45.48`	`nocts\|work`	`licks and cuddles Antiarc`
`22:46.21`	`Antiarc`	`charon: That's my home connection, so if you're gonna mirror it I'd appreciate if it were posted elsewhere`
`22:46.29`	`Antiarc`	`But I can take it unless it's uber high traffic`
`22:46.35`	`Antiarc`	`It's a big image`
`22:46.35`	`charon`	`ok, will mirror`
`22:47.04`	`charon`	`actually, do i have the definitions swapped, or did you confuse mirror and post? :)`
`22:47.15`	`Antiarc`	`yeah, I meant post`
`22:47.28`	`KriLL3`	`I wantz glyphs!`
`22:48.31`	`nocts\|work`	`I'm glad blizzard isn't rushing that 3.0 patch.`
`22:48.37`	`KriLL3`	`yeah`
`22:48.40`	`nocts\|work`	`"We beta test things for a long time. We put things on the PTR for a long time. Things aren't finished. We're still tuning and balancing." - Tigole`
`22:48.48`	`KriLL3`	`the beta servers are dying on their feet after the latest patch`
`22:48.52`	`nocts\|work`	`There's still far too much to be done, I think, until it's even ready for ptr`
`22:49.07`	`Antiarc`	`damn right they are, rogues are still stuck at level 70 for all intents and purposes! :P`
`22:49.08`	`nocts\|work`	`Is it a population issue or are there seriously that many server-side bugs?`
`22:49.17`	`nocts\|work`	`Antiarc: heh`
`22:49.19`	`Antiarc`	`It's not a pop issue`
`22:49.23`	`Antiarc`	`It's been that way since alpha`
`22:49.24`	`Stanzilla`	`chatter fix :(`
`22:49.31`	`KriLL3`	`nocts\|work: well there is a lot of loot lag`
`22:49.34`	`Antiarc`	`okay, tell me what the chatter problem is again`
`22:49.37`	`Antiarc`	`because it works4me`
`22:49.43`	`KriLL3`	`and the world server goes down even in the early morning`
`22:49.47`	`Stanzilla`	`font module can't really be disabled`
`22:50.02`	`Stanzilla`	`if it is off, it's still enabled for some chatframes or so`
`22:50.05`	`KriLL3`	`there was some classic lag during peak hours before this patch but after it seems to be constant`
`22:50.32`	`Adirelle`	`Antiarc: does Flippy popup when you don't need it ?`
`22:50.42`	`KriLL3`	`they might have invited a million people when the patch was released but I dunno`
`22:51.15`	`Antiarc`	`Adirelle: It pops up on startup right now`
`22:51.27`	`Antiarc`	`The character sits there and entertains you`
`22:51.45`	`nevcairiel`	`world server crashes are usually unhandled exceptions of sorts`
`22:51.49`	`nevcairiel`	`which is a good thing`
`22:51.53`	`nevcairiel`	`tells them what to fix`
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`22:52.27`	`Adirelle`	`Antiarc: unless it popups at annoying time, it is less interesting than Clippy`
`22:52.32`	`Fisker-`	`my shadow resist gear eats shadow bolts for breakfast`
`22:52.33`	`Fisker-`	`nom nom nom`
`22:52.40`	`Antiarc`	`heheh`
`22:52.43`	`nevcairiel`	`Now only if the inventory server was not that slow`
`22:52.50`	`nevcairiel`	`i figured out that looting isnt the problem`
`22:52.55`	`nevcairiel`	`receiving the item in your inventory is`
`22:53.11`	`neya`	`updating a stack is fine, most of the time yea.`
`22:53.14`	`nevcairiel`	`If you loot stacked items where you already have a open stack of those, its fast`
`22:53.24`	`nevcairiel`	`now get a new item`
`22:53.25`	`Fisker-`	`do they have a character screen server too? >:3`
`22:53.25`	`nevcairiel`	`or new stack type`
`22:53.25`	`nevcairiel`	`== lag`
`22:53.42`	`Adirelle`	`I find the BM spec less interesting than the survival one, but that's maybe because the chimera skill is bugged`
`22:53.53`	`Fisker-`	`atleast you don't have to spend half an hour logging in nevcairiel :(`
`22:53.55`	`Adirelle`	`and that the new survival 51-talent kikcs ass`
`22:54.05`	`nevcairiel`	`Fisker-: nah logging is usually fast these days`
`22:54.09`	`nevcairiel`	`dunno what you have there`
`22:54.30`	`Fisker-`	`some kind of server problem`
`22:54.33`	`Fisker-`	`of that i r certain`
`22:54.36`	`neya`	`"That character does not exist.", erk, that's a scary errormessage when trying to login.`
`22:54.41`	`Wraithan`	`er, what addon is /kb part of?`
`22:54.52`	`nevcairiel`	`neya: happens after world server just booted`
`22:55.03`	`Corgan`	`why so laggy Fisker-`
`22:55.05`	`nevcairiel`	`Wraithan: Dominos, Bartender4, AutoBar, i think`
`22:55.14`	`neya`	`doesn't make the message less disturbing ;)`
`22:55.48`	`Wraithan`	`Ah ok, I thought it was part of Bar4 then I moved to Dominos and still had it was a little confuse dheh`
`22:55.55`	`Fisker-`	`why so Corgan faggot?`
`22:56.02`	`Fisker-`	`see what i did there?`
`22:56.03`	`Fisker-`	`rawr`
`22:56.05`	`JerleMinara`	`i bet we get 3.0.2 on ptr in two weeks or so~`
`22:56.06`	`JerleMinara`	`stooooked`
`22:56.08`	`nevcairiel`	`Wraithan: both use it :)`
`22:56.12`	`Corgan`	`why so Corgan Fisker-`
`22:56.18`	`Fisker-`	`why so Fisker- Fisker-?`
`22:56.31`	`Wraithan`	`nevcairiel: thank you`
`22:56.48`	`Adirelle`	`Fisker-: no you !`
`22:57.01`	`Fisker-`	`no u`
`22:57.20`	`Fisker-`	`oh well`
`22:57.23`	`Fisker-`	`i guess that confirms it`
`22:57.23`	`Fisker-`	`The classes are not done nor being overlooked. "The coming weeks" in this context is synonymous with "soon."`
`22:57.24`	`Fisker-`	`I'm confident this will quell all posted concerns. ;)`
`22:57.31`	`Antiarc`	`There's no way we get 3.0.2 on the PTR in 2 weeks`
`22:57.33`	`Fisker-`	`So 3.0 not for some time yet i guess`
`22:57.51`	`nevcairiel`	`all the confusion about the term "comign weeks"`
`22:57.57`	`nevcairiel`	`people thought it would be like 4 weeks`
`22:57.59`	`Fisker-`	`I was actually hoping for 3.0 on PTR this friday or maybe next friday`
`22:58.01`	`nevcairiel`	`but it will be along time`
`22:58.05`	`Antiarc`	`I'm thinking like 10-12 weeks`
`22:58.08`	`JerleMinara`	`uh`
`22:58.11`	`Fisker-`	`nah`
`22:58.15`	`JerleMinara`	`3 months would put it into q4`
`22:58.20`	`Fisker-`	`i hope they release it well in advance of wotlk really`
`22:58.23`	`JerleMinara`	`and they would've said "coming months"`
`22:58.26`	`Thrae`	`Blizzcon uses internal builds anyway.`
`22:58.31`	`Fisker-`	`yeah JerleMinara >:3`
`22:58.33`	`Adirelle`	`blizzard has not even started to balance skills`
`22:58.38`	`nevcairiel`	`Fisker-: 2-3 weeks, i guess`
`22:58.49`	`Fisker-`	`Adirelle which they can do better with a much bigger test sample`
`22:58.49`	`Fisker-`	`duh`
`22:58.54`	`Fisker-`	`bigger test sample = PTR`
`22:59.04`	`nevcairiel`	`They didnt even finish designing the classes yet`
`22:59.06`	`JerleMinara`	`yeah i think 2-3 weeks is about right`
`22:59.08`	`nevcairiel`	`no point in balancing yet`
`22:59.19`	`Fisker-`	`They're never done designing the classes`
`22:59.22`	`Antiarc`	`JerleMinara: Are you in beta?`
`22:59.29`	`JerleMinara`	`yes and i have been for a long while`
`22:59.30`	`Wraithan`	`I think the shaman wolfies are still NYI =(`
`22:59.32`	`JerleMinara`	`beta != 3.0`
`22:59.38`	`JerleMinara`	`all of the 3.0 stuff works, more or less`
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`22:59.40`	`Fisker-`	`And designing the classes is related to balance`
`22:59.40`	`Antiarc`	`What?`
`22:59.52`	`Antiarc`	`3.0 includes the class overhauls, to begin with`
`22:59.54`	`JerleMinara`	`there's a few talents NYI but almost all of the listed 3.0 features are functional`
`22:59.56`	`Fisker-`	`For example some ability may not fit well in balance, so they scrap it and give them something new`
`22:59.57`	`Antiarc`	`Which is fundamental to the game`
`23:00.00`	`Antiarc`	`Ahahaha`
`23:00.01`	`Antiarc`	`"a few"`
`23:00.05`	`JerleMinara`	`yes. a few`
`23:00.06`	`Antiarc`	`Yeah, that's an understatement :P`
`23:00.09`	`JerleMinara`	`no it's not`
`23:00.18`	`Adirelle`	`Fisker-: designing is about the skill and talent mechanics, balance about the numbers`
`23:00.47`	`Fisker-`	`It's both`
`23:00.58`	`Fisker-`	`atleast in these cases it is`
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`23:01.07`	`nevcairiel`	`They already said that there are big revamps of some classes coming`
`23:01.12`	`nevcairiel`	`including feral druids for example`
`23:01.19`	`Antiarc`	`Nearly all the 41+ rogue talents are broken or NYI`
`23:01.24`	`Fisker-`	`What a great way to include them on the PTR`
`23:01.29`	`Antiarc`	`And there are major, major class bugs still, like the Scorpid Sting bug`
`23:01.31`	`Fisker-`	`nah Antiarc`
`23:01.32`	`Adirelle`	`anyway, they would have lots of feedback if they made a PTR based on current beta`
`23:01.39`	`Fisker-`	`you know blizzard doesn't care about rogues`
`23:01.51`	`g0urra`	`you know blizzar doesn't care about Fisker-`
`23:01.54`	`Adirelle`	`Antiarc: scorpid sting bug ?`
`23:01.55`	`JerleMinara`	`i think we'll get another beta build this week, and then the next build that works its way out will be the 3.0 build onto ptr`
`23:02.01`	`Fisker-`	`In WotLK all talents will be replaced by a 61 point talent called NYI`
`23:02.14`	`Antiarc`	`Adirelle: It's increasing everything's crit damage be insane amounts`
`23:02.18`	`Antiarc`	`Hunters are two-shotting people`
`23:02.20`	`Adirelle`	`lol`
`23:02.32`	`Fisker-`	`ah`
`23:02.37`	`Adirelle`	`Antiarc: actually I was two-shotting mobs with explosive shot alone`
`23:02.45`	`Antiarc`	`See, there you go :P`
`23:02.46`	`Fisker-`	`so that's why level 77 hunters are killing my level 80 death knight with 20k hp and ~600 resilience`
`23:02.51`	`Antiarc`	`Yes`
`23:03.01`	`Antiarc`	`Class balance is incredibly broken right now :P`
`23:03.13`	`Fisker-`	`but still`
`23:03.13`	`nevcairiel`	`JerleMinara: we'll get alot builds before any public beta test`
`23:03.19`	`Fisker-`	`i want 3.0 live within the month >:3`
`23:03.23`	`Fisker-`	`well`
`23:03.27`	`Fisker-`	`within the end of next month :P`
`23:03.44`	`JerleMinara`	`not unless they drastically ratchet up the speed at which they're pushign builds`
`23:03.50`	`Pkekyo\|`	`734 days to get BSG s3 down...lovely`
`23:03.52`	`JerleMinara`	`3.0'll be on ptr by october`
`23:03.52`	`Adirelle`	`hmm... wait... I thing it isn't related to only scorpid sting, I didn't used it once, but some of my crit damages are like doubled`
`23:04.03`	`nevcairiel`	`I seriously doubt that`
`23:04.07`	`nevcairiel`	`considering the current state`
`23:04.19`	`nevcairiel`	`Two complete zones are still locked`
`23:04.31`	`Wraithan`	`why do you all want it up on PTR sooner, more people bitching about the same things isn't going to cause teh developers to work any faster`
`23:04.34`	`JerleMinara`	`that doesn't have anything to do with a 3.0 patch`
`23:04.44`	`Wraithan`	`the two zones that are locked are being play tested by their QC departmetn`
`23:04.58`	`JerleMinara`	`the state of northrend is entirely irrelevant to the timeline for the content patch`
`23:05.03`	`Fisker-`	`2 zones+`
`23:05.05`	`Fisker-`	`only 1 zone`
`23:05.16`	`nevcairiel`	`they closed stormpeaks again, remember? :p`
`23:05.19`	`Fisker-`	`crystalsong isn't created though`
`23:05.24`	`Fisker-`	`nevcairiel they opened it again, remember?`
`23:05.38`	`Fisker-`	`The fix was deployed yesterday`
`23:05.48`	`Antiarc`	`Storm Peaks, Icecrown, and Crystalsong are all entirely untested`
`23:05.55`	`Antiarc`	`Ooh, they opened it?`
`23:05.55`	`Antiarc`	`Yay`
`23:06.33`	`Fisker-`	`quests begin to get awesome though`
`23:06.46`	`Fisker-`	`a lot of siege quests`
`23:06.47`	`Wraithan`	`Antiarc: s/entirely untested/entirely internally tested/`
`23:06.51`	`Fisker-`	`and enviroment change quests`
`23:06.56`	`Antiarc`	`"The classes are not done nor being overlooked. "The coming weeks" in this context is synonymous with "soon." "`
`23:07.10`	`Antiarc`	`Wraithan: Well all know how good Blizzard's internal testing is :P`
`23:07.13`	`nevcairiel`	`Anyway believe what you want, the class design is no-where near ready for a public test`
`23:07.13`	`JerleMinara`	`nev, i agree that wotlk is a ways off and isn't ready, but the stuff in the content patch is all more or less workable`
`23:07.14`	`Antiarc`	`cough C'thun cough`
`23:07.29`	`JerleMinara`	`class design being something that'll get smoothed out in the next few weeks`
`23:07.31`	`nevcairiel`	`JerleMinara: the new talentes and class changes? No way`
`23:07.35`	`Fisker-`	`Infact they could scrap all of the class changes`
`23:07.40`	`Fisker-`	`and just release all other changes`
`23:07.44`	`Fisker-`	`i'd hit it`
`23:07.49`	`Fisker-`	`and then patch class changes when ready`
`23:07.51`	`nevcairiel`	`As i mentioned earlier, they are still totally redesigning some classes`
`23:08.00`	`Antiarc`	`I just think that a 2-3 week PTR is way, way, way, way fast.`
`23:08.09`	`CIA-47`	`03Octane666 07WotLK * r81023 10SpamMeNot/ (13 files in 2 dirs):`
`23:08.09`	`CIA-47`	`SpamMeNot:`
`23:08.09`	`CIA-47`	`- Altered to work on current live servers and WoW 3 because it's handy to test the filters in a live environment with real spammers and lots more people.`
`23:08.09`	`CIA-47`	`- Now monitors the trade channel for people linking skills, Dirge and "anal" spam and will report the lot of them if it gets stupid (if auto-report is on)`
`23:08.13`	`CIA-47`	`- Lots of general bug fixes and tweaking.`
`23:08.15`	`CIA-47`	`03adirelle * r81022 10Yatba/Yatba.lua: Yatba: do not forget to check mouseover for GUID mapping.`
`23:08.16`	`Fisker-`	`redesigning classes is not an excuse for keeping it off live`
`23:08.19`	`Wraithan`	`Antiarc: eh, say what you will, testing every facate of something this large is hard work, plus what you see is not what the QA department approved usually it is what a manager said put up for public testing`
`23:08.20`	`Fisker-`	`classes are changed constantly`
`23:08.23`	`nevcairiel`	`But hey, we'll see when the patch hits`
`23:08.25`	`Fisker-`	`and pretty profound as well`
`23:08.39`	`nevcairiel`	`But i has beta! so what do i care`
`23:08.52`	`Wraithan`	`it is not completed by far and if any of the QA had their choice I bet you a lot of stuff would have been delayed`
`23:08.53`	`Fisker-`	`i'd rather play 3.0 on live`
`23:08.58`	`Fisker-`	`already level 80`
`23:09.04`	`Fisker-`	`got the best gear i can get pretty much`
`23:09.05`	`Zhinjio`	`don't suppose anyone has an extra beta key they wanna donate to my wife while she recuperates from her pregnancy, eh?`
`23:09.09`	`Fisker-`	`<-bored`
`23:09.18`	`Antiarc`	`Hahahaha`
`23:09.19`	`Antiarc`	`Oh damn`
`23:09.20`	`Antiarc`	`http://blue.mmo-champion.com/10/9023730157-intensify-rage-23-fury-mandatory-for-pvp.html`
`23:09.37`	`Adirelle`	`I'm off, night`
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`23:09.46`	`Antiarc`	`Wraithan: I know testing it all is hard work. It's too much for an internal QA team, which is why they enacted beta and PTR servers.`
`23:10.00`	`Antiarc`	`So to say that something is "tested internally" as a stamp of quality is...erroneous at best.`
`23:10.09`	`Antiarc`	`It means the really big bugs are worked out.`
`23:10.23`	`Wraithan`	`To say it is entirely untested is a large falacy also.`
`23:10.23`	`nocts\|work`	`Zhinjio: I'll ask everyone I know`
`23:10.25`	`Antiarc`	`But they missed things like, oh, say, the XP vendor bug in Storm Peaks, obviously`
`23:10.36`	`Antiarc`	`For something like that to go live would be a disaster to the game`
`23:10.40`	`Fisker-`	`very misleading to say "in the coming weeks" though`
`23:10.45`	`Fisker-`	`i'd >:3 it`
`23:10.50`	`Fisker-`	`but now i'm going to sleep`
`23:11.11`	`Zhinjio`	`nocts\|work: thanks... pm me if you find anything.`
`23:11.28`	`nocts\|work`	`np`
`23:13.39`	`Ellipsis`	`I still haven't gotten an opt-in`
`23:13.42`	`Ellipsis`	`frowns`
`23:14.08`	`Zhinjio`	`me either.`
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`23:14.48`	`Wraithan`	`Friend a bliz hooked me up`
`23:15.15`	`Antiarc`	`"We beta test things for a long time. We put things on the PTR for a long time. Things aren't finished. We're still tuning and balancing. "`
`23:15.50`	`Zhinjio`	`I do have a friend of a friend at bliz in their art department.`
`23:15.56`	`Zhinjio`	`but ... I don't like bugging him`
`23:16.14`	`Zhinjio`	`if she gets desperate enough, maybe I'll hit him up`
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`23:18.25`	`Wraithan`	`Know a couple people in their QC department and their latin america tech support 'department' which is now just like 2 people`
`23:18.27`	`dodga`	`Hm`
`23:18.37`	`dodga`	`What exactly will WoW 3.0.2 be?`
`23:18.55`	`g0urra`	`careface`
`23:19.50`	`Pkekyo\|`	`dodga: shit, just like the rest of it :p`
`23:20.16`	`dodga`	`Hehe, nice one`
`23:20.27`	`NivFreak`	`Antiarc: link?`
`23:20.43`	`dodga`	`srsly though. I can't play until mid-September and I need to kill Kel, C'Thun and Atiesh to build Atiesh before 3.0 goes live :D`
`23:20.57`	`Antiarc`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9232545970&pageNo=3&sid=2000#47`
`23:21.50`	`dodga`	`Hm I wonder if I can build a complete T3 Set before LK hits live :D`
`23:21.55`	`Stanzilla`	`you got the 40 splinters?`
`23:22.00`	`dodga`	`Stanzilla: Yep`
`23:22.04`	`Stanzilla`	`nice :)`
`23:22.28`	`dodga`	`Ah, I started pre-BC but only got like 7 before BC hit live, our raid was not too pushy in Naxx`
`23:22.49`	`dodga`	`I started sometime last autumn to do PuG runs in Naxx to collect them`
`23:22.59`	`dodga`	`And then suddenly a lot of raids went in there in the last week`
`23:23.08`	`dodga`	`weeks even. At least on our server`
`23:23.15`	`kenlyric`	`don't you just need to kill kael before it goes live?`
`23:23.23`	`kenlyric`	`errr, kel`
`23:23.28`	`kenlyric`	`fucking names`
`23:23.35`	`dodga`	`I dunno what will happen to the quest`
`23:23.49`	`dodga`	`That's a reason why I want a beta key so I can trans my priest and check :D`
`23:24.29`	`dodga`	`I suppose Blizz is lazy and will leave the quest untouched. But then again they changed the Zul'Gurub Priest trinket like months after they nerfed the other class trinkets`
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`23:28.10`	`NivFreak`	`Antiarc: thanks, I've been trying to find a direct link to calm the guildies odwn`
`23:28.13`	`NivFreak`	`down`
`23:35.15`	`Xinhuan`	`nothing happens to the quest i think`
`23:35.42`	`dodga`	`Yeah what worries me is the "I think" part :>`
`23:35.48`	`Xinhuan`	`it just becomes uncompletable if any portion of it requires naxx`
`23:36.00`	`dodga`	`Probably`
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`23:48.08`	`KriLL3`	`!rating 1519`
`23:48.08`	`Xinhuan`	`1519 rating gives 365(5s), 321(3s) and 277(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)`
`23:48.18`	`KriLL3`	`!rating 1563`
`23:48.18`	`Xinhuan`	`1563 rating gives 417(5s), 367(3s) and 317(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)`
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`23:50.30`	VonhintenHOME`	`wtf do you guys have this channel set to not allow joins unless identified`
`23:51.17`	`KriLL3`	`perhaps to avoid spambots`
`23:52.49`	`dodga`	`Just perhaps.`
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`23:55.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes`
`23:55.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`since they spam us a lot`
`23:57.12`	`KriLL3`	`freenode..`
`23:57.47`	`KriLL3`	`<insert mos-eysly quote here>`
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