00:00.08 | Adirelle | night |
00:03.46 | alster | tos.. :/ which idiot would make glaives poisongreen, i got that shit all day on my back |
00:04.05 | nocts | I'll be helping him violate the ToS. |
00:04.25 | Arrowmaster | have fun getting baned then |
00:04.27 | Ellipsis | thul: needs moar kittens |
00:04.42 | nocts | Cosmetic changes are shrugged off by Blizzard and undetectable due to their nature. |
00:04.53 | Arrowmaster | no they are 100% detectable |
00:05.02 | Arrowmaster | warden spots them instantly |
00:05.19 | nocts | No, they don't. Do you know how warden works revolving around .MPQ file patch packageS? |
00:05.33 | Wobin | blindfold and a dartboard? |
00:05.59 | nocts | They are 99% detectable, the 1% being a public screenshot directly to Blizzard. In which many cases they still don't care (see Druids of Azeroth patch recommended by blues) until it breaks fairness of game design and playability. |
00:06.25 | Arrowmaster | it does break fairness of game design and playability |
00:06.26 | nocts | Since nothing is loaded into memory and in his case only a texture file is changed, Warden doesn't even flinch. The data's identical according to the way warden views it. |
00:06.32 | Wobin | Druids of Azeroth? |
00:06.38 | Wobin | oh is that the reskinning of forms? |
00:06.40 | nocts | When changing color of a weapon makes someone win WSG, I'll worry. |
00:06.43 | nocts | Wobin: Yup :) |
00:06.53 | Wobin | We so need that official |
00:07.28 | nocts | They're already working with the author of it for wrath and malestrom. |
00:07.35 | Arrowmaster | except they just detect if you have modified the mpqs and not exactly what you have modified |
00:07.36 | nocts | Especially on the hitbox fix. |
00:07.55 | nocts | Arrowmaster: If it's loaded as a patch-x.MPQ warden drops it unless there is a specificly defined NEW model call. |
00:08.11 | nocts | Default named textures and model files, even map files, remain off warden's list because if passes name verification. |
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00:08.37 | nocts | It's like looking at a carlot full of blue cars and asking someone to make sure all the cars are blue. |
00:08.41 | Arrowmaster | modifing models is banable though |
00:08.51 | nocts | According to the ToS, correct. |
00:08.56 | Ellipsis | so is packet sniffing |
00:08.56 | Arrowmaster | no |
00:09.05 | Wobin | recalls the fireplace-portalsteps |
00:09.07 | nocts | According to how Blizzard actually handles them, cosemtic changes are discouraged but not banned. |
00:09.11 | Arrowmaster | its an exploit and is bannable and does get people baned, not just by the tos |
00:09.15 | nocts | Cosmetic, not gameplay. |
00:10.14 | Wobin | s/fireplace/campfire/ |
00:10.19 | [SW]Dodge | Arrowmaster: just dont care if he do it or not, you told him that it is against the TOS and if he does the changes it is his problem if he get banned. not your problem :) |
00:10.40 | nocts | People even post cosmetic-only change movies in the official forums, and as long as it's only cosmetic blizzard almost always looks the other way. |
00:11.03 | nocts | Bitch, moan, and show it off and then they shut the singular person down because they don't want it spreading like wildfire for more than just cosmetic changes. |
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00:11.33 | nocts | Replacing a campfire with stairs is detectable and bannable because it changes how you're character moves within the confinements of the game. |
00:11.40 | nocts | Changing the color of a weapon, does not. |
00:12.15 | Arrowmaster | they dont do server side movement detection |
00:12.23 | nocts | Yes :P They really do. |
00:12.43 | nocts | Bounds checking happens automagically for a lot of zones flagged for that sort of recording. |
00:13.01 | nocts | And in the example of the campfire, it's moreso the players reporting that you're floating in midair. |
00:13.21 | nocts | They can't see the color change, they can't report it. They can see the character floating but not the stairs, they can report it. |
00:13.54 | Arrowmaster | they report it, blizz checks their logs and sees that the mpqs were modified and drops the ban hammer |
00:14.18 | nocts | Correct, for a model edit beyond something cosmetics. |
00:14.47 | nocts | And Blizzard can't remote check MPQ alterations since the client, by default, loads the patch-x.MPQs as valid data. It'll show up with the same name as the file in the origonal .MPQ. That's how patches work. |
00:15.23 | nocts | But a warglaive edit, like what he's talking about... it's the same name being used as the real patch, and warden treats the same name no different than a realm patch, and since not a single other person can see the modification... no one is the wiser until he starts bragging. |
00:15.53 | nymbia | seems like a simple checksum would block all that |
00:16.15 | Arrowmaster | and a simple 'oh look theres this mpq file here that shouldnt exist' |
00:16.18 | nocts | Seems like it, correct. But md5 hashes aren't something warden handles. |
00:16.28 | nocts | Arrowmaster: Correct, IF warden was meant to check patch levels. |
00:16.32 | nocts | It isn't. |
00:17.51 | nocts | nymbia: I've always wondered why they don't handle md5 hashes, but to be fair think about their repair tool. |
00:18.03 | nocts | They could be banning people left and right for bad md5's just because of a virus or client corruption. |
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00:18.12 | nymbia | true enough |
00:18.39 | Pneumatus | invalid md5s at best would only warrant a flag |
00:18.43 | nymbia | but they wouldnt need to drop bans if they just automatically repaired hash fails |
00:19.07 | Arrowmaster | yeah flag for later investigation if a report is filed |
00:19.19 | Ellipsis | so they're going to log every corrupted file of every account ever? |
00:19.21 | nocts | That's a LOT of work for a singular account. |
00:19.22 | Pneumatus | the repair tool should use par2 or something though, it sucks at present |
00:19.36 | nocts | Something you could do with a playerbase of less than 100k players, perhaps. |
00:19.38 | Pneumatus | nothing saying you have to keep the flag indefinatly though |
00:19.41 | nocts | Not a couple million. |
00:19.53 | Matrix110 | many other MMORPGs check file hashes every once in a while |
00:20.02 | Arrowmaster | or that you have to flag each file, just the fact that there was |
00:20.08 | Pneumatus | and logging on a client with a fixed md5 could just unflag you |
00:20.25 | Pneumatus | so you run up a corrupted client and get flagged, then repair and it gets unflagged. |
00:20.27 | Pneumatus | eznp |
00:21.07 | nocts | Pneumatus: True, but honestly if that flags someone who's model editing or breaking an MPQ otherwise, that's a heads up for them already. |
00:21.13 | nocts | They get away scott free. |
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00:22.23 | nocts | The current texture for texture model for model replacements use a clever loophole right now. There is a quick way to stop it, but it's never going to happen. |
00:22.31 | nocts | Do a hash check of each individual file in the MPQs and patch files. |
00:22.43 | nocts | However, extracting+checking 5 gigs of data is CPU/memory intensive. |
00:22.44 | Pneumatus | however, im sure warden has more important things to worry about than changes to mpqs, like locking down bots |
00:22.49 | nocts | ^ |
00:23.10 | nocts | Do you honestly see blizzard allowing warden to chew up CPU/RAM of billions of customers, old and new comps, just to stop model editing? |
00:23.20 | Matrix110 | like Warden does anything against bots :P |
00:23.24 | nocts | hehe |
00:23.32 | nocts | Easy to circumvent, but I suppose better than nothing. |
00:23.34 | Ellipsis | mpq changes are really not a "problem" unless they cause gameplay issues e.g. campfire stairs or invisible terrain...at which point players are capable of reporting the exploiting character |
00:23.41 | nocts | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^\ |
00:24.26 | Matrix110 | Using Ragnaros as a Herbmodel is quite unfair I would say :P |
00:24.50 | nocts | Agreed. Or the old WSG trick of having the flag replaced with a largely scaled mailbox or tower. |
00:24.52 | Matrix110 | Some guy did that with Black Lotus pre TBC... he dominated the market till he got banned |
00:24.53 | Matrix110 | :D |
00:24.53 | Pneumatus | in that vain though, you're saying that changing a node to a massive model isnt unfair, as only you can see it |
00:25.14 | nocts | But it creates an unfair advantage to some when you can spot them 300 yards away. |
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00:25.43 | Ellipsis | if people notice the character is sprinting directly to the next herb from 200 yards without having to look around, they can report it |
00:25.44 | nocts | Generally that's undetectable too, unless you're actually caught with a screenshot or.... |
00:25.53 | nocts | Well, they caught a few with people using the narru light from shatt. |
00:25.54 | Matrix110 | Ellipsis no |
00:26.06 | nocts | Watching someone always go 300 yards down right on top of something was suspicious every single time. |
00:26.07 | Matrix110 | With Routes I would walk the same line for example |
00:26.08 | Ellipsis | they can't? |
00:26.14 | Pneumatus | Ellipsis: you'd never be able to qualify that in a GM ticket |
00:26.17 | Ellipsis | you'd also stop at nodes that weren't spawned |
00:26.33 | Matrix110 | Ellipsis Iam not observing people for several minutes |
00:26.37 | Wobin | but how would you know that they're not? |
00:26.37 | Matrix110 | its ridiculous |
00:26.38 | Ellipsis | then QQ moar |
00:26.50 | Pkekyo| | Premiere Pro down in 10 minutes o.O' sweet |
00:26.58 | nocts | The model change for nodes is particularly difficult. It changes more than cosemetic but it's hard to report. |
00:27.03 | Ellipsis | if you think someone's exploiting, do something about it |
00:27.08 | Ellipsis | if not, what's the problem |
00:27.19 | Matrix110 | I cant do anything about it |
00:27.23 | Matrix110 | only Blizzard can |
00:27.30 | Ellipsis | you can point it out to blizzard. |
00:27.32 | nocts | ^ |
00:27.42 | Matrix110 | Like several hundred people did already |
00:27.43 | Ellipsis | thus, doing your part to get the person investigated |
00:27.46 | Wobin | Blizzard eh? |
00:27.48 | nocts | It also requires people caring. |
00:27.52 | Pneumatus | regardless though, changing textures is against the TOS, |
00:27.55 | Pneumatus | for that very reason |
00:27.57 | Wobin | Help me, Snowbione, you're my only hope! |
00:28.04 | Ellipsis | Pneumatus: so are a lot of things they don't do shit about |
00:28.10 | nocts | Still, changing textures or not and ToS or not... doesn't mean Blizzard cares. |
00:28.20 | Ellipsis | e.g. packet sniffing, installing the beta client on multiple computers, ... |
00:28.29 | nocts | Sharing the beta account. |
00:28.52 | Pneumatus | with infinite resources im sure they would care :) |
00:28.57 | Ellipsis | exactly |
00:29.06 | Ellipsis | they don't have time to care that someone wants their sword to be pink |
00:29.16 | nocts | Things like: http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot072608023415si2.jpg |
00:29.24 | nocts | Replacing a netherwing egg with murmur. |
00:29.35 | nocts | Obviously more than a cosmetic change, but how do you report that from a third person? |
00:29.35 | erikh | hah |
00:29.39 | nocts | How do you -even know-? |
00:29.47 | erikh | plus, who benefits? |
00:30.10 | nocts | Well, that's the fine grey line to me. When the model actually changes benefits in-game. |
00:30.14 | nocts | Aside from cosmetics. |
00:30.17 | erikh | i could understand if someone replaced the arena doors with transparent/nil models |
00:30.22 | erikh | that would be exploitative |
00:30.30 | nocts | If I want to be a baby panda model running around, that's great. I don't change my interaction though. |
00:30.33 | erikh | but that murmur replacement is just amusing |
00:30.45 | nocts | Agreed, it's really only self-benefiting, but it's one step closer to risk. |
00:30.46 | Arrowmaster | nocts: yes you do |
00:30.48 | Ellipsis | not to someone who's competing for those eggs, erikh :P |
00:30.55 | nocts | Arrowmaster: And how do I change my interaction? |
00:30.58 | Arrowmaster | changing your own model effects clipping detection |
00:30.59 | erikh | eh, i guess |
00:31.05 | Pneumatus | well thats why model changes have been blanket banned though, as they can't differentiate without eating monster amounts of cpu/ram to check every model on every load |
00:31.14 | Arrowmaster | meaning if you make yourself smaller then you can go through places you normally cant |
00:31.20 | nocts | Oh, fun :) |
00:31.34 | nocts | Case in point, comsmetic changes versus non. |
00:31.37 | Arrowmaster | any model change is an exploit nomatter how you might think its not |
00:31.38 | nocts | Being too small would break that. |
00:31.42 | erikh | most FPSes can manage it |
00:31.46 | Ellipsis | texture changes are cosmetic, model changes do change functionality |
00:31.47 | nocts | Arrowmaster: A bit limited on your train of logic, I see. |
00:31.59 | nocts | How does giving someone on here black warglaives give him an advantage? |
00:32.00 | Ellipsis | not necessarily in a game-breaking way, but they do |
00:32.02 | Arrowmaster | nocts: i said model not texture |
00:32.10 | Pneumatus | changing your model to somethign smaller does affect your interaction, as gnomes for example can LoS mobs on low walls which larger players cant |
00:32.13 | nocts | If he changes it with a candy cane, how is t hat giving him an advantage? |
00:32.21 | nocts | Pneumatus: I can agree on player models, sounds good. |
00:32.40 | nocts | There's still a line between cosmetic and advantageous edits. |
00:32.41 | Pneumatus | maybe they should draw up a list of protected models, that you can never replace :P |
00:32.51 | Ellipsis | or character models in general, mobs/npcs/players included :P |
00:32.51 | nocts | They'd crack it client side :/ ala diablo 2 |
00:33.05 | Matrix110 | well |
00:33.13 | Matrix110 | people that want to exploit it will always do it |
00:33.15 | erikh | that's a solvable problem |
00:33.16 | Ellipsis | then you'd also have to add interactable world objects (e.g. nodes) |
00:33.17 | nocts | But if he wants to recolor his glaives and then turn them into swinging baby pandas instead... where's the advantage? |
00:33.23 | Arrowmaster | any model change can be exploited |
00:33.26 | Ellipsis | and collidable/los-collidable models like walls |
00:33.29 | nocts | Explain mine then, Arrow. |
00:33.33 | Wobin | we need sword-chucks |
00:33.36 | nocts | You've my full attention. I even shut my music off. |
00:33.50 | erikh | oh boy |
00:33.56 | Arrowmaster | weapon and armor models are used elsewhere than just on players |
00:33.56 | erikh | line up the targets, it's time for a pissing match! |
00:33.59 | erikh | disappears |
00:34.06 | nocts | Arrowmaster: Go on, I'm eagerly waiting. |
00:34.11 | Ellipsis | Arrowmaster: but is there any case in which they affect play? |
00:34.19 | Pneumatus | ok |
00:34.20 | Pneumatus | ive got one |
00:34.29 | Pneumatus | say you change the model of warglaives to murmur |
00:34.33 | nocts | LOL |
00:34.39 | nocts | :D That's hawt |
00:34.41 | Pneumatus | you can suddenly see rogues in battlegrounds from the other side of the instance |
00:34.42 | Gnarfoz | actually, most of the time, the actual texture used on the player lootable items is different and not used by NPCs :X |
00:35.03 | nocts | Pneumatus: Very true. |
00:35.08 | nocts | But I didn't say murmur :) |
00:35.10 | Gnarfoz | Pneumatus: you're btw not supposed to invent new shit but rather explain how black warglaives give an advantage to someone :X |
00:35.14 | nocts | He said -ever- edit can be taken advantage of. |
00:35.16 | kenlyric | bah, zomg buffs isn't buffing party pets. I wonder if it only does for group buffs. |
00:35.18 | Matrix110 | Afaik there are exploitable models that cant get invisible/stealthed btw |
00:35.22 | nocts | If the model is similar size and color, where's the advantage? |
00:35.27 | Pneumatus | any change you make to _your_ glaives will also change the model you'll see on other people with the same weapons |
00:35.32 | nocts | How is going from an arena weapon to a Cruel Barb an advantage? |
00:35.40 | Arrowmaster | if they are found as objects in the world like some generic weapons and armor you can change them to the same effect as the campfire example |
00:35.41 | nocts | Or should he say "Some models changes can give advantages" |
00:36.07 | nocts | That's something I'd agree on. |
00:36.08 | Gnarfoz | in general, people will generalize. :p |
00:36.13 | nocts | They fail :P |
00:36.31 | Ellipsis | Gnarfoz: I see your "most of the time" and raise you http://i33.tinypic.com/nbyb05.jpg |
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00:36.40 | nocts | Ellipsis: o.o |
00:36.45 | nocts | The hell is that? |
00:36.52 | Arrowmaster | its true that its a generalization but any model change can be an exploit just because of the different effects model changes cause |
00:36.58 | Gnarfoz | Ellipsis: check |
00:36.58 | nocts | That's all I wanted to hear. |
00:37.03 | nocts | That it was a generalization. Thank you. |
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00:37.30 | Mytos | how much does cold weather riding cost in beta so i have an idea of how much to squirrel away for my characters |
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00:37.34 | Gnarfoz | 1SDN :X |
00:37.39 | Arrowmaster | and there are far more models that changing them would 100% be an exploit than there are models that changing them would not be an exploit |
00:37.39 | JerleMinara | 0 gold |
00:37.44 | Ellipsis | Mytos: it's a quest |
00:37.44 | Gnarfoz | Mytos: it's a quest, it's free |
00:37.46 | Wobin | 5psk |
00:37.50 | nocts | But it still remains that it isn't all of them. |
00:37.50 | JerleMinara | actually |
00:37.52 | JerleMinara | it's like -20g |
00:37.55 | JerleMinara | cause you make money on the quest |
00:37.55 | JerleMinara | i think |
00:38.00 | Gnarfoz | ;D indeed |
00:38.01 | Mytos | REALLY? |
00:38.01 | Wobin | but I'll give you two cats for 10 |
00:38.05 | Matrix110 | It doesnt matter if some changes dont give you an advantage, model changing is a easy way to exploit so it shouldnt be possible and result in bans |
00:38.06 | nocts | In fact, I doubt there are as many non-cosmetic changes are there are cosmetic. |
00:38.06 | Pneumatus | changing the model of anything could always be exploitable, surely we're agreed on that |
00:38.13 | Mytos | you mean blizzards not gonna pricegouge us? |
00:38.19 | nocts | Could always, yes, but not always. |
00:38.21 | Wobin | They do that with First Aid |
00:38.21 | nocts | I mean, next time I replace my non-combat pet with a different one, I'll know for sure I'm not changing functionality. |
00:38.32 | Ellipsis | I'm going to go out on a limb and say weapon models don't affect gameplay outside of the cosmetic-change-for-human-benefit argument (big shiny thing is easier to see) |
00:38.40 | nocts | From Spirit of Competition to Baby panda isn't going to let me hit rogues from across AV. |
00:38.46 | nocts | Unless... |
00:38.48 | Pneumatus | unless you change your pet to a massive ragnaross, which can be seen from miles away |
00:38.53 | nocts | But that's my point. |
00:38.57 | Ellipsis | what benefit does that give, Pneumatus? |
00:38.57 | nocts | I didn't change it to ragnaross. |
00:38.59 | nocts | I changed it to a panda. |
00:39.08 | Gnarfoz | Ellipsis: none - that being his point |
00:39.11 | Ellipsis | if he makes his baby panda rangaros, all it does is get in his way :P |
00:39.12 | nocts | It's half and half, dependant upon change itself. |
00:39.17 | Wobin | but wouldn't it make it only seen on your client? |
00:39.22 | nocts | Correct. |
00:39.27 | Mytos | so is it required for us to have bc epic before getting cold weather? |
00:39.28 | Wobin | oh, if the rogue has a panda out |
00:39.36 | Pneumatus | but if anyone else had the same pet out, they would also have a ragnaros next to them |
00:39.39 | Matrix110 | yes Mytos |
00:39.55 | Wobin | what sort of sneaky rogue puts a noncombat pet out while stealthed? |
00:39.55 | nocts | But the case in point is that you're only making examples of things that would have more than a cosmetic change. |
00:40.02 | nocts | Wobin: All the twink rogues I see |
00:40.09 | Ellipsis | rogues r dumb kthx |
00:40.12 | Arrowmaster | detecting that something is different than its suppost to be is easyer than detecting exactly what it is after its been changed though |
00:40.13 | nocts | "OMGZ MECHANICAL SQURIL OUT2 GET U" |
00:40.15 | Gnarfoz | Ellipsis: durrrrrrr. |
00:40.20 | Pneumatus | Arrowmaster: exactly |
00:40.31 | nocts | Arrowmaster: How is anyone going to change detection of a warglaive's color? |
00:40.34 | Ellipsis | pets Gnarfoz and wipes the drool off his face with a towel |
00:40.36 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: warpeltinger |
00:40.41 | Gnarfoz | wolpertinger. |
00:40.45 | nocts | Seriously. What change is there in swapping a cruel barb with a warglaive? |
00:40.47 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
00:40.49 | nocts | It's cosmetic. |
00:41.07 | nocts | A cruel barb with a stormwind tower? Not cosmetic. |
00:41.11 | Gnarfoz | also, anyone got any idea which addon it is that makes my client freeze up for about a second... but only when I die? |
00:41.12 | nocts | You can't play just one side of the card. |
00:41.47 | Ellipsis | Gnarfoz: iirc recount (used to?) run gc on death, anything like that running? |
00:41.50 | Pneumatus | so, maybe we should report everyone, just incase they have changed textures |
00:41.59 | nocts | ^ I like this idea |
00:42.06 | Ellipsis | reported |
00:42.16 | nocts | Some texture changes are gorgeous, Wobin: http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e206/Macswe/CatPreviewBothRaces.jpg |
00:42.18 | Pneumatus | "Dear GM, I think that XXX may have changed the model of my helm to Ragnaross so he can see me better. Please investigate!" |
00:42.24 | nocts | A preview of one part of that Druids of Azeroth mod. |
00:42.27 | nocts | Damnit WOBIN |
00:42.28 | Gnarfoz | Ellipsis: that one for example, but why would recount *run* GC? :X (not to mention that I didn't have this problem like, a month ago? :() |
00:42.31 | Matrix110 | cosmetic model changes are not allowed so discussing about this is useless, its like talking about Pirating Games and stuff there is 1 side that say its bad 1 side says its good and nobody will change is perspective |
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00:43.30 | nocts | Matrix110: It's the difference between what is allowed, and what is tolerated. Blizzard tolerates cosmetic changes. |
00:43.30 | Ellipsis | Gnarfoz: because it generates so much garbage that it has an option (enabled by default) to gc it at "safe" times |
00:43.30 | Matrix110 | Blizzard does not tolerate cosmetic changes |
00:43.30 | Gnarfoz | I'll go looking for that option. |
00:43.30 | Gnarfoz | also, it's not *garbage* :p |
00:43.30 | Pneumatus | those catform reskins are terrible, they would make tauren druids actually look half decent |
00:43.30 | nocts | Matrix110: They do it quite a bit. |
00:43.30 | Pneumatus | rather than their horrible excuse for a skin at present |
00:43.34 | Ellipsis | blizzard tolerates a lot of things that they don't technically *allow* |
00:43.35 | nocts | Wobster: Some texture changes are gorgeoushttp://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e206/Macswe/CatPreviewBothRaces.jpg |
00:43.47 | nocts | http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e206/Macswe/NightelfSwiftFlightPreview.jpg As well. |
00:43.51 | Matrix110 | No they just dont do enough against them, we had several people banned for model changing on the server |
00:44.02 | nocts | Matrix110: For cosmetic or game affecting? |
00:44.06 | Matrix110 | both |
00:44.12 | Arrowmaster | they dont 'tolerate' them as much as they dont actively seek to ban people for using them, but they sure as hell will use them as an excuse to ban somebody if they need to |
00:44.17 | nocts | I've been doing model editing for three years and never once a single ban. |
00:44.28 | nocts | Arrowmaster: IF they can find out that the person is doing it. |
00:44.33 | Matrix110 | somebody changing his T0 to T3 and got banned for it |
00:44.35 | Wobster | nocts, I agree |
00:44.37 | nocts | Which they can't unless that person screenshots and brags. |
00:44.38 | Matrix110 | *changed |
00:44.45 | Wobster | I'd personally love to have those models |
00:44.57 | Wobster | the standard druid forms are so boring now =\ |
00:45.02 | nocts | Even then, people like albis have posted their own videos on the official forums using model edits. Blizzard let's them slide. |
00:45.09 | nocts | Cosmetic gets a LOT of leeway. |
00:45.12 | Matrix110 | Afaik GMs got a function to "screenshot" what your client sees |
00:45.15 | [SW]Dodge | write a gm ticket and ask one of them! :P |
00:45.22 | nocts | doesn't count. |
00:45.27 | nocts | You'll get their scripted, required response. |
00:45.28 | Gnarfoz | Matrix110: lol? they don't. |
00:45.31 | nocts | ToS == Normal action taken |
00:45.34 | [SW]Dodge | i bet they can tell u what s about cosmetic changes |
00:45.42 | Gnarfoz | Matrix110: this is not PunkBuster of old ;> |
00:45.43 | Ellipsis | Arrowmaster: they'll use ANYTHING as an excuse to ban people, or have no excuse. they have that right as per your beloved TOS. |
00:45.48 | Mytos | ive seen links to adrige's model edits for druid right on the offical druid forums and blizz did nothing, they dont care if its cosmetic |
00:45.54 | nocts | ^ Exactly. |
00:46.07 | Matrix110 | Gnarfoz Iam not sure how it works its not a real screenshot :P |
00:46.12 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
00:46.13 | Gnarfoz | either it's real |
00:46.15 | Gnarfoz | or it isn't |
00:46.17 | Arrowmaster | Ellipsis: exactly, the internet is not a free access area |
00:46.26 | Ellipsis | Arrowmaster: so you're always in danger of getting banned |
00:46.29 | Gnarfoz | if it isn't... how the hell does it qualify as "what I see" |
00:46.30 | nocts | They've rarely banned purely cosmetic changes, and only because those people pushed publicity to the point of model editing becoming too mainstream and more of the mods being game-affecting than just cosmetic. |
00:46.35 | Ellipsis | blizz has a history of looking the other way on cosmetic-only changes |
00:46.41 | Matrix110 | Well some GM said they can see how you see the Game even with all model changes |
00:46.51 | Ellipsis | and if you aren't using them as exploits or showing off screenshots, they won't even now |
00:46.52 | nocts | Scare tactic :P |
00:46.52 | Ellipsis | know* |
00:46.54 | Ellipsis | so, who cares? |
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00:47.02 | nocts | That's not even possible, proven by running it in Linux. |
00:47.04 | Gnarfoz | (I ran around with full T2 when the new models for it were finally patched in. no one cared.) |
00:47.25 | Gnarfoz | Matrix110: as nocts said: pure BS. |
00:47.30 | Ellipsis | Matrix110: source or it didn't happen |
00:47.36 | Matrix110 | We had people banned for it Gnarfoz they used T3 models :P |
00:47.41 | nocts | And? |
00:47.45 | nocts | I bet they posted and bragged. |
00:47.49 | Matrix110 | dunno |
00:47.58 | nocts | It's a danger to the cosmetic community when people do that. It only encourages "OMG WE CAN DHCNAGE AND DO BETTER" |
00:47.59 | Matrix110 | they just got a 3day ban and accoutn wanring stuff |
00:48.04 | Ellipsis | if you don't know what you're talking about it's best not to bring it up in a serious discussion :) |
00:48.05 | nocts | Versus people who just want to see something different. |
00:48.08 | Gnarfoz | that's not even a ban |
00:48.10 | Wobster | we can ... what? |
00:48.10 | Gnarfoz | it's a supsension |
00:48.13 | Gnarfoz | *suspension |
00:48.30 | Ellipsis | dhcnage, Wobster |
00:48.32 | Ellipsis | haven't you ever done it? |
00:48.34 | Wobster | oh. |
00:48.38 | nocts | Using my door/invisible wall/gate mod for instance - bannable. Detectable because it's a misplacement of normal server-side events. |
00:48.39 | Wobster | not in mixed companyu |
00:48.44 | nocts | Using a color change? |
00:48.49 | nocts | As long as you cum, blizzard approves. |
00:48.57 | Ellipsis | ... |
00:49.07 | nocts | Wait, wrong window. Sorry. |
00:49.15 | Gnarfoz | Ellipsis sure don't mind. :P |
00:49.16 | nocts | Using a color change? Cosmetic, and Blizzard generally looks the other way. |
00:49.53 | Ellipsis | yes, it's an "excuse" for them to ban you...and so is the fact that you have an account in the first place |
00:50.08 | Ellipsis | it's a game of chances, and chances are you won't be banned just like chances are you won't be hit by a bus tomorrow |
00:50.11 | nocts | Another good "excuse" is logging on from multiple IPs at different times. |
00:50.33 | Gnarfoz | uhm people log in from different IPs *every day* |
00:50.41 | Gnarfoz | ever heard of ISPs using dynamic IPs :p |
00:50.48 | Ellipsis | yes, but if blizz wants to ban you they can say it looks like you're sharing your account |
00:50.51 | nocts | :P As in one day in china, the next in the USA. |
00:50.51 | Mytos | its written right into the TOS that they can ban you at any time for any reason they deem, even if its not listed in the TOS so this whole argument is moot |
00:50.57 | [SW]Dodge | Gnarfoz: dynamic ip yes but the ip location does not change |
00:50.59 | Gnarfoz | you'd have to b e from somewhere else, i.e. geo-location |
00:51.00 | nocts | It's moreso just evidence and excuse than anything else. |
00:51.07 | Ellipsis | or just from a different isp |
00:51.10 | Gnarfoz | [SW]Dodge: IPs don't have a location -per se- |
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00:51.18 | nocts | Mytos: They banned an entire guild because of flaunting gay rights, didn't they? |
00:51.20 | Ellipsis | people do it legitimately all the time (ever take your laptop from work/school to home?) |
00:51.32 | Ellipsis | that doesn't mean blizz can't turn around and say it *appears* to be evidence of account sharing |
00:51.33 | Matrix110 | geo-location doesnt work that well sometimes though :P |
00:51.37 | nocts | No, I'm crippled and lonely. Thanks for reminding me of my missing life, Ellipsis |
00:51.38 | Gnarfoz | Matrix110: indeed |
00:51.45 | Arrowmaster | if you are constantly getting booted from the game because somebody on another ip is trying to login its a major flag to account sharing |
00:51.46 | Ellipsis | always happy to help nocts |
00:51.49 | Gnarfoz | nocts: www.sadtrombone.com :p |
00:51.58 | nocts | Arrowmaster: Or...... the sudden change in IP is buying your way to 70. |
00:52.06 | nocts | Flags aren't just sent up from account collision. |
00:52.34 | Arrowmaster | guild member got a warning once about it |
00:52.35 | nocts | Gnarfoz: hahahahahahahahahahaha |
00:52.42 | Gnarfoz | nocts: awesome, isn't it ;p |
00:52.58 | nocts | I just had to favorite it. |
00:52.59 | nocts | lol |
00:53.08 | Ellipsis | that could come in handy |
00:53.29 | Arrowmaster | but many people did know his account info but didnt level characters on his account quickly but instead used characters on his account to level their own alts quickly |
00:53.42 | nocts | And as a side note, there are many mods I make that actually benefit me in ways I think Blizzard should have allowed anyway. |
00:53.47 | [SW]Dodge | to bad that i dont have a activ wow acc, i would go ingame and write a ticket and ask a gm about it :) |
00:54.07 | nocts | I know of two off the top of my head that I use because it's a feature blizzard should have supported. |
00:54.20 | nocts | http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e206/Macswe/CatHitBoxFixPreview.jpg - Fixing the druid hitbox |
00:54.48 | nocts | http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot070908035100rn0.jpg - viewing all LFG queues, rather than level-limited ones |
00:55.24 | Arrowmaster | hows that one pulled off? |
00:55.28 | Ellipsis | dbc edit |
00:55.42 | Arrowmaster | ah makes sense |
00:55.45 | nocts | Arrowmaster: I removed the level limitations in the DBC. |
00:55.54 | nocts | You can't queue for them, but you can view them. |
00:56.03 | Arrowmaster | lol |
00:56.04 | CIA-47 | 03ulic 07wotlk * r80912 10LittleWigs/LittleWigs_WotLK/ (7 files in 2 dirs): LittleWigs: Added Azjol-Nerub bosses, only Krik'thir is mostly complete. |
00:56.06 | nocts | Queuing is still handled server-side, as are the summoning stnoes. |
00:56.23 | nocts | Now when I farm SM:Cath, I can see if someone needs help. |
00:56.30 | Pneumatus | viewing them is all you need anyway |
00:56.41 | nocts | Minor things, but still... I mod more heavily to give me the client functionality than personal advantage. |
00:56.47 | Matrix110 | people actually USE LFG? |
00:56.49 | Pneumatus | and i agree, that should be in the default interface |
00:57.12 | Pneumatus | at level 77 on beta not being able to see the utagarde/nexus queues was a pain in the arse |
00:57.18 | nocts | -nods- |
00:57.50 | Ellipsis | it should be an option, default off, imo |
00:57.50 | nocts | It's a minor, minor thing, I know. |
00:57.53 | nocts | But the little things count. |
00:57.53 | Pneumatus | yet, the levels are fucked for some of the level 70 instances, as they are still visible at 77 |
00:57.59 | Ellipsis | because noobs still need that hint to what they're supposed to be doing |
00:58.11 | nocts | Well, notice in that mod I also added level ranges. |
00:58.19 | nocts | Hand-added them to every raid, instance, and group. |
00:58.26 | nocts | That's all blizzard had to do. |
00:58.37 | nocts | And those are the actual queuable levels. |
00:58.37 | Ellipsis | still, a level 10 character seeing everything up to magister's terrace is information overload to no benefit |
00:58.52 | nocts | True. An option would be best. But an option should have happened by now anyway, imo,. |
00:58.56 | Pneumatus | you can see the likes of steamvaults and shattered halls at 77, but cant see nexus/utgarde, because the summoning stones levels |
00:58.58 | Ellipsis | I'm not saying it shouldn't be *allowed*, just default off |
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00:59.58 | Pneumatus | plus, i like to check out the group composition through the lfg window before i join them also |
01:00.01 | [SW]Dodge | yea would be cool if your are on an low-lvl-alt but want to check if there is someone lookcing for a L70 instance |
01:00.27 | Pneumatus | there should be an option to show instances lower than you, but theres not really any benefit in seeing instances higher than you |
01:00.37 | Pneumatus | their bottom-end cap is pretty low anyway |
01:01.27 | Pneumatus | if your're below the bottom level cap, your basically asking for a boost, not a group, and your never gonna land a hit on any of the mobs anyway |
01:01.31 | [SW]Dodge | Pneumatus: there is a benefit, i hate it to play my lowies and not being able to check if someone is searching for people for an instance my mainchar need |
01:01.38 | Ellipsis | the only real reason I can see for the higher level instances is what [SW]Dodge is talking about, alts |
01:01.50 | Pneumatus | hmm, thats true |
01:01.52 | Ellipsis | but really, if you're too lazy to log onto your main unless a preformed group lands in your lap... |
01:02.11 | Pneumatus | but then you just highlight LFG text when the instance your looking for is mentioned |
01:02.58 | Pneumatus | you could of course argue you could do the same for lower instances, but in general endgame instances are mentioned a lot more than lower instances |
01:03.00 | Gnarfoz | how do I easily test if a button was right-clicked from a macro /script? |
01:03.46 | [SW]Dodge | i'll got sleep now :) good night all :) |
01:03.47 | Pneumatus | i guess you cant [button:2]? |
01:04.03 | Gnarfoz | no, because that's not addon code, it's macro conditionals |
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01:08.26 | lagger | when you mouseover a unit does gametooltip add the lines before it calls onupdate |
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01:21.09 | CIA-47 | teksloot: 03Tekkub 07master * r0ccb7be 10/ : Updating TOC to 30000 - http://is.gd/1SGC |
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01:25.09 | steev | anyone know a good diffing program for windows? |
01:25.18 | CIA-47 | 03parnic * r80913 10IceHUD/modules/TargetInfo.lua: |
01:25.19 | CIA-47 | IceHUD: |
01:25.19 | CIA-47 | - fixed buff/debuff cooldown display on TargetInfo module in wrath |
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01:32.34 | Arrowmaster | steev: windiff |
01:32.45 | CIA-47 | 03danielbarron * r80914 10RaidBuffStatus/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
01:32.45 | CIA-47 | RaidBuffStatus: |
01:32.45 | CIA-47 | - Updated Spanish translation. |
01:32.45 | CIA-47 | - Added Simplified Chinese translation. |
01:32.45 | Arrowmaster | steev: err, winmerge |
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01:41.16 | steev | will that let me do directories? |
01:41.50 | Arrowmaster | yes |
01:42.00 | Arrowmaster | i even use it to diff zips |
01:42.13 | steev | awesome |
01:42.38 | Droolio | i also recommend beyond compare |
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01:42.40 | steev | it can tell the differences in graphics as well? not what the differences are, just that they are |
01:42.51 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
01:43.16 | steev | nice |
01:43.31 | Arrowmaster | beyond compare isnt free though |
01:43.56 | Droolio | aye but it is quite good |
01:44.16 | Droolio | next version will have three-way compare |
01:45.33 | steev | i just wanted to see what the differences are between the version of pitbull i have and the others |
01:45.40 | steev | the latest more specifically |
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01:45.45 | Gnarfoz | yay auto-starting raidwide timer bars as soon as I use Distract. |
01:45.49 | Paine | howdy there |
01:45.59 | Paine | I'm new, just bought wow today |
01:46.06 | steev | this ui compilation says "blah blah blah i modified some of the addons but i don't know what ones" |
01:46.25 | steev | and i know pitbull is one of em, but i wanna use pitbull quickhealth so i wanted a quick glance to see the diffs |
01:46.28 | steev | thanks Arrowmaster |
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01:54.39 | JerleMinara | steev: could use kdiff3 |
01:54.41 | JerleMinara | which is free |
01:54.50 | steev | JerleMinara: winmerge is free too :) |
01:55.03 | steev | if i were in linux i'd just diff it myself there |
01:55.08 | steev | i considered it as well |
01:55.10 | JerleMinara | ah |
01:55.11 | steev | but meh |
01:55.11 | JerleMinara | serves me right |
01:55.14 | JerleMinara | i caught half the convo |
01:55.16 | JerleMinara | just saw beyondcompare |
01:55.53 | selckin | whats a good combatlog addon these days? |
01:55.57 | selckin | to make it purdy |
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02:02.20 | Groktar | lol, so we're doing some bt tonight |
02:02.36 | Groktar | i never got invited, and i didn't want to speak up |
02:02.46 | Groktar | apparently the RL *thought* he invited me |
02:03.04 | Groktar | i guess i was supposed to be healing deadly poison |
02:03.54 | Pkekyo| | was it blizzard that merged with activision? |
02:03.56 | selckin | why don't i remember deadly posion, what instance has that |
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02:05.25 | Groktar | bt, i just said |
02:05.43 | Groktar | the rogue does deadly poison and then envenom when he stealths |
02:08.53 | Wobin | Pkekyo|, essentially Vivendi |
02:09.00 | Wobin | but Blizzard as a part of that |
02:09.09 | Arrowmaster | steev: fyi be careful, i just realized my version of winmerge was very old so i went to update it, and im fairly certain the installer i got has a trojan |
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02:18.41 | HP_Administrator | hello ? |
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02:19.26 | Silent_Killer01 | hi |
02:30.21 | Arrowmaster | ffs i swear sourceforge used to list file hashes to verify downloads but now i cant find it on this new design |
02:32.45 | selckin | i hate their new design :\ |
02:32.52 | selckin | but at least it deosn't seem to be stupid slow anymore |
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02:39.41 | Paine | damn, those tauren rogues are sneaky. |
02:41.01 | KriLL3 | So sneaky I've yet to see one |
02:41.02 | Pkekyo| | yes, yes we are |
02:41.13 | Paine | hehehe. |
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02:51.09 | Wobster | crai |
02:51.14 | Wobster | I want a tauren rogue |
02:51.19 | Wobster | SNEAKSNEAKSNEAK |
02:51.57 | Wobster | I would paint my hooves red, and stealth upside down in a field of strawberries |
02:53.45 | JaxxMaxx | Red wunz go faster! |
02:53.58 | nocts | Wobster: The strange thing is, they have the animation already |
02:54.10 | JaxxMaxx | Unf! |
02:54.15 | JaxxMaxx | that would be very sweet. |
02:54.30 | JaxxMaxx | Stunlock builds + warstomp |
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03:01.14 | Pkekyo| | nocts: what animation? |
03:01.29 | Wobster | stealth |
03:01.56 | Pkekyo| | suruslee? |
03:02.05 | Pkekyo| | GIEF TUAREN ROGG NAO! |
03:10.02 | Wobster | I'm upset that mace stun will be removed from rogue hammer spec |
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04:01.23 | steev | Arrowmaster: well, the google site said it was okay, and norton didn't pick anything up with it so i seem to be safe |
04:01.39 | steev | and |
04:01.44 | steev | EPIC FAIL on High King |
04:01.48 | steev | not one misdirect |
04:01.58 | steev | so all five went to the mage |
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04:05.06 | Leptus | any one know about rupture_tourney? where is it hosted? |
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05:03.47 | steev | epicer fail |
05:03.57 | steev | i pulled aggro on gruul |
05:04.11 | steev | also, high king dropped the priest/warrior/druid token... only |
05:04.23 | steev | and the fail helm that is mail |
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05:32.54 | Ackis | 5100/6000 friendly ravenholdt wheee |
05:35.11 | steev | wow |
05:35.16 | steev | you're actually grinding their rep? |
05:35.41 | Ackis | yup |
05:35.46 | Ellipsis | well when all you have to choose between is that or being productive... :P |
05:36.03 | steev | grind winterspring frostsaber rep? |
05:36.12 | Ackis | horde |
05:36.18 | steev | oh |
05:36.22 | steev | uh |
05:36.30 | Ellipsis | dire maul. |
05:36.31 | steev | i'd say grind tranquillien |
05:36.43 | steev | but you do like 5 quests for them and are exalted |
05:36.46 | Ackis | exalted with them both :P |
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05:37.00 | Ackis | only ones I"m not exalted w/ are darkmoon faire and ravenholdt |
05:37.02 | steev | i did that on my be rogue |
05:37.17 | steev | that was a *sweet* level 18 cloak |
05:37.27 | steev | alliance at 18 gets some shitty shield |
05:37.49 | steev | oh, you are enhancement shaman? here, have shield |
05:38.01 | steev | oh, you're a rogue, here have a shield |
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05:46.47 | JaxxMaxx__ | usually it's "Oh, you're a rogue? Here, have some leather with DIRTY DRUID STATS ON IT" |
05:49.00 | Kaaosa | Dirty druids |
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06:11.57 | steev | yeah |
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07:00.09 | Zhinjio | evenin' |
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07:02.55 | CIA-47 | 03ag 07Ace3-WotLK * r80919 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_Extras/ (26 files in 10 dirs): ag_UnitFrames: Revert last commit |
07:03.52 | CIA-47 | 03ag 07Ace3-WotLK * r80920 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_Extras/modules/: ag_UnitFrames: create dir |
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07:11.51 | Zhinjio | consecutive commands in a macro are separated by what? semi-colon? |
07:11.54 | Zhinjio | anything? |
07:12.16 | nevcairiel | new line |
07:12.20 | Zhinjio | or just the next line. ok |
07:12.46 | Zhinjio | for a ranked spell, like, say aimed shot, how do specify rank? |
07:13.04 | Zhinjio | like... /cast Aimed Shot(rank 7) ?? |
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07:14.14 | nevcairiel | i think so |
07:14.27 | nevcairiel | if you want the max-rank |
07:14.30 | nevcairiel | just dont mention any |
07:16.43 | Zhinjio | rbaby ... one moment |
07:17.36 | ag` | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/x_girls_y_cups.png |
07:19.42 | nocts | http://www.dailybabyanimals.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/baby-pig.jpg |
07:20.14 | Ellipsis | no, we are not getting a baby pig. |
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07:20.20 | Ellipsis | kittens or gtfo |
07:20.21 | nocts | but hun :( |
07:20.33 | nocts | They look the same when they are ripped out of mama's vagina. |
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07:28.25 | CIA-47 | 03mukha521 * r80924 10Capping_ru/ (12 files in 2 dirs): |
07:28.25 | CIA-47 | Capping_ru: Initial upload. |
07:28.25 | CIA-47 | - Fully works with ruRU locale at all BGs |
07:28.25 | CIA-47 | - Custom labels for AV and AB timers |
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07:32.38 | [Ammo] | I'm to lazy to do a proper translation so I fork the addon |
07:32.44 | [Ammo] | ruRU the new koKR |
07:33.54 | nevcairiel | should just delete that again |
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07:35.05 | Kalroth | I knew it, Ammo is a slacker |
07:35.22 | [Ammo] | deletion is probably best |
07:35.34 | Ellipsis | and public humiliation |
07:35.36 | Ellipsis | that'll do the trick |
07:35.58 | CIA-47 | 03nevcairiel * r80925 10Capping_ru/: Don't fork a addon just to add translations. Contact the author about getting your translations integrated, or just supply the locale file yourself. |
07:36.25 | Kalroth | nev is such a meanie |
07:36.57 | Kalroth | If that russian had any balls, he'd reply with "fork you!" |
07:37.43 | nevcairiel | that would be the last reply though |
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07:38.01 | Ellipsis | forks Kalroth |
07:38.06 | Kalroth | ./shy |
07:38.13 | Ellipsis | /wink |
07:38.20 | pb_ee1 | _/hello |
07:38.23 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: It'd be worth it, though! |
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08:01.27 | CIA-47 | 03mukha521 * r80926 10Capping_ru/ (12 files in 2 dirs): |
08:01.27 | CIA-47 | Capping_ru: Initial commit. |
08:01.27 | CIA-47 | - Fully works with ruRU locale at all BGs |
08:01.27 | CIA-47 | - Custom labels for AV and AB timers |
08:01.54 | nevcairiel | lol |
08:02.05 | nevcairiel | [Ammo] you want this time? |
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08:03.14 | CIA-47 | 03arrowmaster * r80927 10Capping_ru/: Capping_ru: deleted, commit it again and I'll make sure you get banned |
08:03.26 | Arrowmaster | wins! |
08:03.37 | CIA-47 | 03mukha521 * r80928 10Capping_ru/ (12 files in 2 dirs): |
08:03.37 | CIA-47 | Capping_ru: Initial commit. |
08:03.37 | CIA-47 | - Fully works with ruRU locale at all BGs |
08:03.37 | CIA-47 | - Custom labels for AV and AB timers |
08:03.44 | CrazyBenny | lol |
08:03.46 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: owned =P |
08:04.17 | Thrae | Damn those commies. |
08:06.07 | CIA-47 | 03mukha521 * r80929 10Capping_ru/: |
08:06.07 | CIA-47 | Capping_ru: |
08:06.08 | CIA-47 | - Properties fix |
08:06.08 | CIA-47 | - Externals |
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08:06.19 | Xinhuan | wahaha, clash of the egos ;p |
08:06.30 | CIA-47 | 03arrowmaster * r80930 10Capping_ru/: Capping_ru: deleted |
08:09.25 | nevcairiel | I wonder if he even noticed what was going on |
08:09.27 | nevcairiel | probably not |
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08:14.06 | Ellipsis | watch, you're going to see a thread go up on wowace (in horrible english) about how the svn is clearly broken and commits aren't sticking |
08:14.50 | Xinhuan | btw Arrowmaster, it was explained before a RU version needs to be made |
08:15.01 | Xinhuan | because the russian localization is different |
08:15.10 | Xinhuan | and there's more than 1 or 2 triggers for each event |
08:15.13 | Arrowmaster | yeah i just noticed on the forums |
08:15.15 | Xinhuan | as the sentence structure is different |
08:15.31 | Arrowmaster | but i havent been able to be an asshole recently so i dont care |
08:15.33 | Xinhuan | so just localization it directly in Capping wouldn't really have worked |
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08:16.03 | Arrowmaster | and really the fix could still be done in capping without forking |
08:16.23 | Xinhuan | probably |
08:16.36 | nevcairiel | sentence structure more different then the asian languages? |
08:16.47 | Xinhuan | ya the horde and alliance messages are not the same |
08:16.50 | Xinhuan | they are different |
08:17.02 | Xinhuan | some of it is even dependant on whether you are male or female |
08:17.05 | nevcairiel | so do a if on UnitFaction |
08:17.32 | Xinhuan | or rather, if the person capping stuff is male or female |
08:17.51 | nevcairiel | I bet one could build a smart regex |
08:17.53 | Xinhuan | so not really that trivial |
08:18.03 | Arrowmaster | its still doable |
08:18.12 | Arrowmaster | no reason to fork |
08:18.42 | Xinhuan | well if he doesn't have the permission of the author to edit the code directly and commit it, his only choice is to fork it |
08:18.56 | Arrowmaster | which is why you make a better patch |
08:19.03 | Arrowmaster | that does get accepted by the author |
08:19.10 | Xinhuan | aha but what if the author isn't contactable? |
08:19.16 | Arrowmaster | he is |
08:19.28 | Xinhuan | check forums, is the author active? |
08:19.42 | Arrowmaster | since hes talking to the guy in the forums and said he wouldnt commit the patch since it breaks other locales |
08:19.53 | Arrowmaster | meaning the patch needs made better |
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08:20.53 | Xinhuan | bah, i'm not going to argue further |
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08:25.09 | Ellipsis | anyone know if there is/will be a [vehicle] or [possess] type macro conditional? something that would evaluate true when your normal abilities are no longer available? |
08:25.47 | nevcairiel | bonusbar:5 is active when you are possessing |
08:25.55 | nevcairiel | kinda hackish way to detect it, but shrug |
08:26.01 | Ellipsis | hrm, I guess that could work |
08:26.02 | Ellipsis | thanks |
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08:32.46 | Zhinjio | so I thought that /stopcasting wasn't necessary anymore |
08:33.03 | Zhinjio | I'm trying /cast Hunter's Mark followed by /cast Serpent Sting |
08:33.16 | Zhinjio | Serpent Sting gives me "spell not ready yet" (I assume) due to gcd |
08:33.35 | Arrowmaster | if it has a gcd then you cant do it |
08:34.07 | Mera | cant cast aspet of the monkey just before mounting anymore so mounting uses a gcd i think |
08:34.09 | Zhinjio | but I can castsequence it, right? just hit it twice |
08:34.51 | Ellipsis | sure, that should work |
08:41.20 | Ellipsis | so, I know I'm like, way too OCD and stuff |
08:41.48 | Ellipsis | but does anyone else notice/get annoyed by the poorly antialiased text on the download/favorite/etc. buttons on wowinterface addon pages? |
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08:42.00 | Ellipsis | it makes my eyes cross :( |
08:42.34 | nevcairiel | increase your resolution -> buttons smaller -> less visible |
08:42.57 | Ellipsis | my resolution is already as high as my monitor will go |
08:43.23 | Ellipsis | I just notice stuff like that, and it bothers me :( |
08:43.37 | nevcairiel | well then, open up photoshop and smoothen those images, and send them in! |
08:43.43 | chead | nevcairiel: it isn't possible to enable level range display for the zones in Mapster, right? or am I just slightly blind? |
08:44.17 | Ellipsis | that's not my job! |
08:44.17 | Ellipsis | whoever was hired to create those images should be stabbed with the soft cushion though |
08:44.17 | nevcairiel | chead: since that data is not available from the game natively, its not possible right now to display it |
08:44.22 | chead | ok |
08:44.28 | nevcairiel | i've been thinking about doing it though |
08:44.32 | chead | then I won't spent more time looking for it hehe |
08:44.32 | nevcairiel | i kinda miss that info |
08:44.46 | chead | yeah would be nice.. once in a while =) |
08:44.46 | nevcairiel | I just dont want to use tourist |
08:44.49 | nevcairiel | its so bloated with infos |
08:44.54 | Shadowed | nevcairiel, if a mob is red, chances are you shouldn't be in the zone :P |
08:45.06 | nevcairiel | I want to know before going! |
08:45.07 | nevcairiel | :P |
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08:45.25 | chead | yeah just that tiny extra info for a zone can't be that much bloat =) |
08:45.56 | nevcairiel | dungeon level would be nice to have too, but *shrug |
08:46.13 | chead | yeah.. tiny bloat + tiny bloat = more bloat =) |
08:46.23 | Arrowmaster | whats bloated about tourist? |
08:46.36 | nevcairiel | it has sooooooooo many infos noone ever needs |
08:46.40 | Ellipsis | needs moar bloat. |
08:47.01 | nevcairiel | also it needs babble-zone |
08:47.02 | Arrowmaster | make it optional? and only use it if its found |
08:47.39 | nevcairiel | I would rather just save the level range in my own simple table, since thats all info i need |
08:48.58 | Ellipsis | explodes |
08:50.01 | chead | hmm haven't tried that tourist, where is it hosted? |
08:50.10 | Arrowmaster | wowace |
08:50.10 | nevcairiel | its just a library |
08:50.17 | chead | ahh |
08:50.27 | chead | TouristLib |
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08:50.56 | Arrowmaster | LibTourist |
08:51.14 | Ellipsis | where is tuller, I need to make with the stabbings |
08:51.27 | nevcairiel | ~seen tuller |
08:51.30 | purl | tuller <n=muffins@c-76-27-160-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 16h 59m 8s ago, saying: 'guess I should make a second DK :P'. |
08:51.39 | Ellipsis | hmph |
08:53.20 | Adirelle|work | Ellipsis: what stabbings, about the forum buttons |
08:53.23 | Adirelle|work | ? |
08:53.26 | Ellipsis | no |
08:53.38 | Ellipsis | I need to stab him about dominos not allowing show states for the pet bar |
08:53.58 | Adirelle|work | makes a quick search about dominos |
08:54.33 | Ellipsis | gives up and redoes her action bars from scratch |
08:55.40 | Ellipsis | --TODO: Probably enable the showstate stuff for other bars, since every bar basically has showstate functionality for 'free' |
08:55.43 | Ellipsis | facepalms |
08:56.21 | nevcairiel | lol |
08:56.29 | Adirelle|work | huh ? |
08:56.39 | Ellipsis | stabby stabby stabby stabby stabby! |
08:56.46 | Adirelle|work | I think I don't know secureframe stick enough to understand the issue... |
08:57.12 | Ellipsis | the issue is that tuller is lazy and acknowledges his laziness |
08:57.19 | Ellipsis | and said laziness prevents my UI from being perfect |
08:57.36 | nevcairiel | stabbing wont affect his lazyness though |
08:57.39 | nevcairiel | he is really lazy! |
08:57.45 | Ellipsis | but bribes of cookies might |
08:58.07 | Adirelle|work | nevcairiel: btw, what about adding a "open keybinding interface" button somewhere in bt4 ? for those of use that have the redfish syndrome |
08:58.54 | Arrowmaster | buttons bad no |
08:59.18 | Ellipsis | grammar bad yes? |
08:59.55 | Adirelle|work | reworded : a "keybinding config" execute option in some config group :p |
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09:08.52 | Pkekyo| | plonks Ellipsis. Hard. |
09:09.06 | Ellipsis | oof |
09:09.11 | Ellipsis | I'mma be sore from that one |
09:10.20 | Pkekyo| | sounds like a plan |
09:11.06 | thul | hmm |
09:11.09 | thul | :-) |
09:11.22 | Pkekyo| | oh hai thul |
09:11.29 | thul | OH HAY! |
09:11.38 | thul | i want a flektogon |
09:12.15 | Pkekyo| | flektogon?e |
09:12.26 | Adirelle|work | feeds Antiarc with Ellipsis blood in a attempt to revivife him |
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09:13.00 | Ellipsis | o.o |
09:13.00 | thul | Pkekyo|: 35 f/2.4 flektogon |
09:13.02 | thul | :-P |
09:13.10 | Adirelle|work | sorry Ellisps, it had to be someone |
09:13.17 | Ellipsis | why me? |
09:13.29 | Pkekyo| | because BUMSECKS |
09:13.34 | thul | I so want to make bad blood, period, female-jokes now |
09:13.39 | thul | but since I'm nice, i won't |
09:14.00 | Ellipsis | good boy |
09:14.42 | Adirelle|work | actually, sex has no importance, vampires don't care anymore, only fresh blood counts |
09:15.42 | Adirelle|work | but it seems Antiarc needs more blood... or maybe is it too late |
09:16.09 | thul | sexi s important :-( |
09:16.16 | thul | to me |
09:16.32 | Ellipsis | lies, you're innocent and pure |
09:16.35 | Adirelle|work | remembers of old vampire RPG sessions |
09:17.33 | Fisker- | slaps Ellipsis around a bit with a large trout |
09:17.41 | Zhinjio | hugs Ellipsis |
09:17.55 | Ellipsis | is overwhelmed with conflicting emotions |
09:18.16 | thul | ties Fisker- to Zhinjio and sets Ellipsis on fire |
09:18.46 | thul | I'm thinking about going to NY this fall |
09:18.48 | Pkekyo| | rather set Fisker- on fire tbh |
09:18.57 | thul | hmm, ok |
09:19.04 | thul | ties FinalX to Zhinjio and sets them on fire while chasing Ellipsis around them in circles |
09:19.58 | Pkekyo| | ~fail thul |
09:19.58 | purl | thul, you Fail! |
09:20.05 | Fisker- | why level 80 Pkekyo|_ |
09:20.05 | Fisker- | ? |
09:20.16 | Fisker- | why so* |
09:20.17 | Pkekyo| | Fisker-: eh? |
09:20.32 | Fisker- | indeed |
09:20.39 | Zhinjio | I'm so confused. |
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09:20.49 | Ellipsis | *you're* confused? |
09:20.56 | Fisker- | i r elvel 80 |
09:20.59 | Fisker- | level* |
09:21.05 | Ellipsis | I've just been trout-slapped, hugged, set on fire, and chased around the room |
09:21.09 | Ellipsis | all within the past 2 minutes |
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09:21.29 | Fisker- | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/august/naxxramas_01.jpg <-rawr @ dual wield |
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09:21.52 | Zhinjio | yeah, well... you like it. |
09:22.03 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: don't forget plonked |
09:22.04 | thul | Pkekyo|: w000t? |
09:22.06 | thul | :/ |
09:22.15 | Ellipsis | yes, plonked too |
09:22.26 | Pkekyo| | thul: eh? |
09:22.32 | thul | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=280257555497 <- you should get that |
09:22.58 | Pkekyo| | if you're buying...sure :p |
09:23.23 | thul | haha |
09:23.30 | thul | I just got my 58 1.2, no need for a 55 1.2 :-P |
09:24.49 | Fisker- | tags Ellipsis |
09:25.11 | Ellipsis | touches Fisker- inappropriately |
09:25.19 | Ellipsis | now shoo, I'm busy |
09:25.33 | Ellipsis | AND WHY IS MY DAMN HELM VISIBLE AGAIN ARGHHH |
09:25.35 | Fisker- | >:o |
09:25.41 | Fisker- | RAWR |
09:25.48 | Fisker- | I NEED TO PLAY WORLD OF WARCRAFT |
09:25.55 | Fisker- | i'm so level 80 |
09:26.02 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: BCUZ IT R TEH SECKS |
09:26.07 | Ellipsis | no. |
09:26.14 | Ellipsis | spellstrike hood is NOT teh secks with frozen shadoweave |
09:26.19 | Ellipsis | and if you think it is, you need to get your eyes checked |
09:26.35 | Pkekyo| | no idea what spellstrike and shadoweave is :p |
09:26.48 | Ellipsis | bright red and yellow, and dark blue/black/gray |
09:26.53 | Pkekyo| | purty |
09:27.00 | Ellipsis | not mixed together, no :P |
09:27.01 | Fisker- | YOU HAVE BEEN DISCONNECTED FROM THE SERVER |
09:27.06 | Fisker- | i hate this server ;_; |
09:27.13 | Ellipsis | YOU HAVE BEEN TROLLED BY THE Fisker- |
09:27.27 | Fisker- | strangulates Ellipsis.. inappropiately |
09:27.34 | Ellipsis | kinky |
09:27.36 | Ellipsis | not into that btw |
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09:27.55 | Fisker- | too bad, i'm into necrophilia |
09:28.14 | Ellipsis | why am I not surprised |
09:28.20 | thul | hmm |
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09:28.23 | thul | i get confused |
09:29.09 | Adirelle|work | that channel becomes scary sometimes |
09:29.42 | Adirelle|work | plus I need to check all that not technical vocabulary... |
09:29.47 | Pkekyo| | it's not exactly news that Fisker-'s a twisted, demented fuck |
09:30.07 | Adirelle|work | beside that, I'm wondering if Dominos works on beta |
09:30.16 | Ellipsis | there's a wrath version of it |
09:30.30 | Adirelle|work | on wowi I suppose |
09:30.42 | Ellipsis | yes, or gcode if you prefer that :P |
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09:32.59 | Fisker- | yay |
09:33.01 | Fisker- | i'm in |
09:33.09 | Fisker- | be soothed |
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09:38.33 | McFLYer | Arrowmaster, are you here? |
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09:39.00 | Zyndrome | naw Fisker- , the beta is fiWorld Server Down |
09:39.03 | Zyndrome | .. |
09:39.40 | Ellipsis | I dunno why you guys are QQing so hard, the beta is working fine for mDisconnected from server. |
09:39.48 | thul | :-P |
09:41.07 | Zyndrome | even better with quests that keep booting you out of the game, at least for me |
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09:41.16 | Hey-WTF | the beta is fine, learn to You have died. Release Spirit? |
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09:41.26 | Zyndrome | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?quest=11390 |
09:41.29 | theoddone33 | what's with the frost dragon in the wotlk trailer? |
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09:41.43 | Zyndrome | that ... jump into plane, wait, "You have been disconnected from the server" |
09:41.44 | Ellipsis | Zyndrome: don't use your mouse to steer and you won't crash |
09:41.48 | Thelyna | there's wow, there will be dragons |
09:41.51 | Zyndrome | >:( |
09:42.03 | Thelyna | Ellipsis: are you advocating keyboard turning? :o |
09:42.08 | Ellipsis | in this quest, yes |
09:42.12 | theoddone33 | well I mean was it just a random dragon? |
09:42.13 | Pkekyo| | PHEAR MEEEE!!!!!!!111oneone |
09:42.13 | Zyndrome | *shivers* |
09:42.21 | theoddone33 | or is there some lore involved there |
09:42.25 | Ellipsis | since for some reason it actually prevents you from getting disconnected |
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09:43.22 | Ellipsis | and personally I find keyboard turning somewhat easier with that type of vehicle mechanics (since you can't turn any faster with the mouse anyway) |
09:43.50 | Throngy | having followed the example in the Ace3/Getting started article i'm getting an error: Library 'AceEvent-3.0' is not Embed capable |
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09:44.19 | Throngy | anybody mind helping me out? |
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09:48.45 | theoddone33 | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?achievement=572 heh |
09:48.47 | theoddone33 | cute |
09:48.49 | theoddone33 | achievements |
09:49.09 | theoddone33 | I bet they're not retroactive :( |
09:49.17 | Ellipsis | that one's not, since it's new naxx |
09:49.18 | Ellipsis | :P |
09:49.28 | theoddone33 | new naxx?? |
09:49.38 | Ellipsis | ... |
09:49.46 | theoddone33 | I haven't kept up |
09:49.47 | Ellipsis | see how it says 10 man? |
09:49.57 | theoddone33 | oh, sweet |
09:50.07 | Ellipsis | also it's not a feat of strength, but rather dungeons & raids -> wotlk? |
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10:04.02 | Adirelle|work | should I install the standalone, wotlk branch of ace2/ace3 or stick to the embedded non-wotlk version ? |
10:04.32 | Adirelle|work | (or have them be merged for great justice ?) |
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10:12.56 | orionshock | WTB API: GetLinkInfo("type", "ID") returns everything you want to know about the link provided :D |
10:13.01 | orionshock | dreams |
10:13.20 | Ellipsis | so write it |
10:14.12 | Shefki | orionshock: Describe everything? |
10:14.24 | Shefki | orionshock: And what's wrong with GetItemInfo() |
10:16.57 | Fisker- | world server down |
10:26.18 | cncfanatics | orionshock: blizz rarely provides functions you can write yourself :p |
10:27.32 | CIA-47 | 03whyv * r80931 10LibKeyBound-1.0/LibKeyBound-1.0/Locale-zhTW.lua: |
10:27.32 | CIA-47 | LibKeyBound-1.0: |
10:27.32 | CIA-47 | - fix zhTW typo |
10:30.00 | CIA-47 | 03jerry * r80932 10Talented/tips.lua: |
10:30.00 | CIA-47 | Talented: |
10:30.00 | CIA-47 | _ When Talented_Data is not available and viewing the current template, fall back to :SetTalent() to fill tooltip information. |
10:30.52 | Fisker- | >:3? |
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10:32.44 | Fisker- | something is seriously fucked with that wotlk server |
10:32.50 | Fisker- | i have to spam teh enter buttons just to login |
10:33.00 | Fisker- | and i actually get to a point where i can see and move my char |
10:33.08 | Fisker- | and then it disconnects me like i never actually got logged in |
10:33.45 | SNiLD | wotlk is on addon developer beta state? |
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10:35.16 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: stop spamming the button, and its better =P |
10:36.48 | Fisker- | no it's not |
10:37.04 | Fisker- | When i login i have to cancel at connected (It will disconnect if not) |
10:37.21 | Fisker- | When i login to the realm i'll have to keep relogging until it says retrieving character list (it will disconnect if i don't) |
10:37.39 | Fisker- | When i retrieve the character list i'll have to be quick to enter world (it will disconnect me if i don't) |
10:37.44 | Fisker- | And then i'll just have to be lucky |
10:37.56 | EthanCentaurai | perhaps Blizzard don't want you online atm :) |
10:38.09 | Fisker- | Then i wait for the login, and either i get disconnected or i get in |
10:38.14 | nevcairiel | Fisker- you just fail |
10:38.14 | Fisker- | or apparently now i get in and then disconnected |
10:38.17 | Fisker- | no u nevcairiel |
10:38.26 | Jagannath | What is the BonusScanner of Titan Panel do, anyone? |
10:38.57 | EthanCentaurai | it scans bonus stats (+healing, +spellpower etc) in your equipment |
10:39.35 | Jagannath | For TitanItemBonuses? |
10:39.38 | EthanCentaurai | TitanItemBonus uses it to display this info in it's tooltip |
10:39.42 | Jagannath | Gotcha. |
10:39.44 | Jagannath | Thanks. |
10:39.51 | EthanCentaurai | no prob :) |
10:40.03 | Jagannath | ^_^ |
10:40.17 | EthanCentaurai | I should know, I was once the author of Titan Panel... |
10:40.24 | nevcairiel | Fisker- you definately fail, i just logged in, got char list, entered realm, am online now, even faster then the other days |
10:40.52 | nevcairiel | That took courage to admit, didnt it? =P |
10:41.04 | Jagannath | :o |
10:41.12 | Jagannath | Orly? Badass dude. =p |
10:41.15 | Arrowmaster | lol |
10:41.21 | Fisker- | no nevcairiel |
10:41.24 | Fisker- | I do NOT fail |
10:41.27 | Fisker- | blizzard fails |
10:41.37 | EthanCentaurai | is Dark Imakuni in disguise :) |
10:41.44 | nevcairiel | Fisker- its working for me, thats all i need |
10:41.52 | nevcairiel | good that it keeps you out, though |
10:42.04 | Fisker- | it doesn't keep me out |
10:42.14 | Fisker- | but it's probably because i have an authenticator |
10:42.35 | nevcairiel | i got my authenticater after beta auth was copied, hah! |
10:42.44 | Adirelle|work | the wotlk client is a cpu hog, compared to the live one |
10:43.06 | nevcairiel | thats because its not running in release mode |
10:43.10 | nevcairiel | but a beta build :) |
10:43.16 | Fisker- | live is a cpu hog |
10:43.31 | Adirelle|work | beta is worst |
10:43.43 | Adirelle|work | wait... |
10:44.03 | Adirelle|work | actually it seems the beta client uses both vCPU, where the live uses only one |
10:44.18 | nevcairiel | well thats good |
10:44.20 | Adirelle|work | CPUs, no vCPU btw |
10:44.30 | Jagannath | Hmm. I've been using titan panel forever with the blizz ui because I was too lazy to get a cool custom ui. Anyone have any suggestions for a prot warrior? =p |
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10:46.02 | EthanCentaurai | can't help you there, mate, I've never been a warrior |
10:47.24 | Jagannath | Hehe. |
10:47.51 | Jagannath | Well anything cool looking/full of useful...features would be nice =p |
10:48.03 | Jagannath | I've gotten real used to the blizz ui, but lol. |
10:48.15 | Fisker- | i need moar arena points nevcairiel :( |
10:48.41 | Adirelle|work | wth doesn't quartz obey surfacecontrol :/ |
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10:50.16 | EthanCentaurai | Jagannath: here's mine lol http://darkimakuni.deviantart.com/art/Ghost-Ship-93649815 |
10:50.19 | ag` | quartz is orphaned or something, dunno |
10:50.43 | Jagannath | :o |
10:50.48 | Jagannath | It's like..empty lol. |
10:50.52 | Jagannath | You should see my screen. |
10:50.53 | Jagannath | Omg. |
10:51.08 | EthanCentaurai | haha |
10:51.18 | Jagannath | I have like a little box where I can see the game. Then it's crap everywhere lol. |
10:51.22 | EthanCentaurai | I have loads of things on auto-hide :p |
10:51.44 | Jagannath | Ah lol. |
10:52.37 | Jagannath | Use to use Xperl, just cause I thought the bars were cool lol. But meh, seemed real memory intensive. |
10:53.12 | Jagannath | Hell, I need to learn how to make my own ui lol. |
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10:56.54 | SNiLD | xperl memory intensive? |
10:57.03 | SNiLD | are you sure you're using the latest version? |
10:57.10 | SNiLD | it loads dynamically only the parts you really need |
10:57.12 | Jagannath | No it was awhile ago. |
10:57.14 | Jagannath | =p |
10:57.51 | Jagannath | Didn't know it changed, just got back into WoW a few weeks ago after a nice..8 month break. |
10:57.58 | SNiLD | btw. it's available from wowace repository these days :o |
10:58.03 | Jagannath | Good to hear though, might go use that again then =p |
10:58.07 | Jagannath | :o! |
10:58.10 | Jagannath | Awesome. |
10:58.12 | SNiLD | me too btw ;p |
10:58.29 | Matrix110| | ag` nymbia was back sometime ago and updated Quartz abit even: http://fish.wowace.com/changelog/WowAce/branches/Quartz/ |
10:58.37 | Matrix110| | ~seen nymbia |
10:58.37 | purl | nymbia <n=nymbia@c-67-190-49-185.hsd1.co.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 10h 39m 54s ago, saying: 'but they wouldnt need to drop bans if they just automatically repaired hash fails'. |
10:58.49 | ag` | Matrix110|: deleted the existing branch I think :D |
10:59.03 | Matrix110| | hmmm |
10:59.28 | SNiLD | damn quartz was so good addon |
10:59.37 | Matrix110| | no the Ace3 Branch still exists here |
10:59.42 | Jagannath | Was? :o |
10:59.45 | Jagannath | I still use it =p |
10:59.50 | SNiLD | well me too |
10:59.59 | SNiLD | but if it's not maintained it'll be hell :( |
11:00.25 | Matrix110| | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Quartz/Ace3/ |
11:00.35 | Jagannath | I thought it was updated kinda recently though. |
11:01.30 | SNiLD | seems so |
11:01.41 | SNiLD | maybe there's still hope :p |
11:01.56 | Jagannath | Rawr, why is WowAceUpdater using 100% cpu all the time. |
11:02.08 | Jagannath | >.< |
11:02.16 | SNiLD | :P |
11:02.29 | SNiLD | trying to connect to non-existing repository? |
11:02.48 | EthanCentaurai | exactly the reason why I just download the zips straight from files.wowace.com :p |
11:03.05 | Jagannath | Lol yea, that's what I've been doing. |
11:03.07 | EthanCentaurai | or checkout them with Tort |
11:03.26 | SNiLD | i haven't noticed 100% cpu usage |
11:03.40 | Jagannath | Well mine is stuck at 98-100% |
11:03.51 | SNiLD | although i update before going into the game so it's harder to notice :/ |
11:04.05 | EthanCentaurai | well when the PC freezes and the fans blow as hard as they can that pretty much spells it out for me :) |
11:04.14 | Jagannath | Lol. |
11:04.33 | SNiLD | oh? you're not playing music so loud that you can't hear the fans? ;) |
11:04.45 | Jagannath | Lol. |
11:04.50 | EthanCentaurai | iTunes eats all my memory :( |
11:06.37 | Jagannath | Fail lol. |
11:06.43 | EthanCentaurai | never run iTunes and WAU together unless you have at least 3Gb RAM lol |
11:06.44 | Jagannath | Winamp ftw =p |
11:06.49 | Jagannath | Rofl. |
11:07.32 | EthanCentaurai | I |
11:07.34 | EthanCentaurai | oops |
11:08.09 | EthanCentaurai | I'd gladly replace iTunes with WinAMP but I can't find any other program which syncs music to my iPod |
11:08.25 | Jagannath | There isn't really. Apple is a bitch that way lol. |
11:08.42 | Jagannath | Stupid imo. Force you to install their crap lol. |
11:11.39 | Jagannath | Wow have you seen this Instant Health thing? |
11:12.06 | Industrial | syncing is retarded |
11:12.20 | Industrial | an mp3 player is a data device, just put the mp3's on there and not your pc |
11:12.29 | Jagannath | "The server doesn't send health updates for a unit faster then once every 0.3 seconds, often it's slower." |
11:12.32 | Jagannath | :o |
11:12.34 | Industrial | but no we have to go all "Sync" (tm) (r) |
11:13.06 | Jagannath | That explains all the times people are like, Omgz that heal went off! |
11:13.17 | Industrial | im getting a mac soon though |
11:13.21 | Industrial | but I dont have an ipod |
11:13.21 | Jagannath | Ew. |
11:13.21 | Industrial | :> |
11:14.12 | Industrial | meh its unix goodness + a normal interface, whats not to like? |
11:15.03 | Jagannath | It's a mac. |
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11:15.05 | Jagannath | =p |
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11:16.49 | SNiLD | is there a way to fiddle the amount of updates the server should send for you/you send to the server? |
11:17.00 | Jagannath | TCP? |
11:17.08 | SNiLD | no on the wow-side |
11:17.45 | Jagannath | Industrial: Not trying to be all PC is way better bla bla, just I don't like using a mac is all. I've tried my friend's etc. Hated it compared to my PC. |
11:18.01 | Jagannath | Don't think so, SNiLD. |
11:18.20 | Jagannath | Besides changing video settings etc. |
11:19.19 | Jagannath | And that 1 mouse button thing is annoying lol. Could not get over that lol. |
11:21.33 | Industrial | Jagannath: you mean windows with PC or another OS? |
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11:23.19 | Matrix110| | well Industrial "syncing" speeds up the whole process of selecting music if you have 50GB MP3s but only a 4GB Player then picking music is harder then letting the program do it based on how often you listened to song X and Y and how you rated Song X and Y. Not saying its the best way though but its certainly easier and faster than handpicking :P |
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11:24.58 | Industrial | based on what you listen on the mp3 player would mean you have the same stuff on there all the time. Humour aside get a bigger player |
11:25.03 | Industrial | :D |
11:25.45 | Matrix110| | Well its always some less listened music on it :P |
11:26.58 | Industrial | so if you would have a player with eg 80gb (like me) you would always have everything on there right? |
11:27.14 | Industrial | mine just uses a laptop hd so it can go up to 250gb atm |
11:27.55 | Matrix110| | If I would have 50GB mp3s and a 80gb player then I personally would have everything on it |
11:28.49 | Industrial | so then you dont need to Sync(tm)(r) anymore |
11:28.54 | Matrix110| | correct |
11:28.58 | Zhinjio | Hey Industrial |
11:29.02 | Industrial | hey Zhinjio |
11:29.10 | ag` | Jagannath: you do know you don't have to buy the one button mouse right? |
11:29.10 | Matrix110| | Syncing is only usefull if your player has less space than you have mp3s :P |
11:29.36 | ag` | you mean more? |
11:31.01 | SNiLD | Jagannath: but GUI update rate is not tied to the updates send to the server, i hope? |
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11:31.29 | winkiller | still is fine with his 512MB mp3 player |
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11:44.27 | Adirelle|work | SNiLD: no, it's not |
11:44.31 | Adirelle|work | hopefully |
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11:52.57 | SNiLD | Adirelle|work: would be interesting if someone would investigate this, though :P |
11:53.14 | SNiLD | Adirelle|work: as it makes big difference in pvp for example |
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11:53.45 | Adirelle|work | SNiLD: ui update is definitively linked to your FPS, and unlinked from server updates |
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11:55.04 | SNiLD | Adirelle|work: updates to server you mean |
11:55.28 | SNiLD | obviously it's not linked with the updates the server sends ;) |
11:55.28 | Adirelle|work | SNiLD: yes |
11:55.29 | Pkekyo| | anyone here on Efnet EU as well? |
11:55.52 | SNiLD | Efnet EU? |
11:56.06 | Adirelle|work | and I think isn't linked either to update the client sends |
11:56.32 | Pkekyo| | SNiLD: the IRC server...? |
11:57.12 | SNiLD | Pkekyo|: i was to the ipv6 but got disconnected |
11:57.30 | Pkekyo| | I'm unable to connect :< |
11:57.36 | Pkekyo| | I NEEDS MAH CHANNULZ |
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12:02.35 | sneg | hi |
12:02.49 | sneg | whats the easiest way to output debug information when debugging addons inside wow? |
12:05.20 | Pkekyo| | <PROTECTED> |
12:06.17 | sneg | thanks |
12:06.51 | Pkekyo| | dude |
12:06.56 | Pkekyo| | don't listen to me, I have no idea :p |
12:07.00 | Throngy | what's the best error catching addon for development purposes? |
12:07.22 | Pkekyo| | that bugsack thingie is fancypants :O |
12:07.52 | Throngy | that's what i've been using, but having never looked for another i thought i'd ask |
12:08.19 | Pkekyo| | I've never seen a reason to look for anything else really...it's simple, it works... |
12:09.33 | Throngy | aye, if only there weren't so many errors for it to catch ;) |
12:10.00 | Pkekyo| | well, that's hardly bugsack's fault now, is it? :p |
12:10.44 | Throngy | you *could* argue that, yes ;) |
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12:17.50 | Throngy | can anyone point me at a simple addon that packages Ace3 correctly? I get errors on mine if I install the zip and enable it on its own |
12:20.11 | Throngy | or maybe shed some light on the error? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/94639-1cvg |
12:21.13 | CIA-47 | 03oridan * r80933 10SpellReminder/core.lua: |
12:21.13 | CIA-47 | SpellReminder: |
12:21.13 | CIA-47 | - WotLK update. |
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12:25.07 | Dalhia | Friend of mine is getting this error: interface\addons\threat-2.0\threat-2.0\threatBoot.lua:19:cannot find a libary instance of "aceaddon-3.0". |
12:25.17 | Dalhia | (with typos probably ;) ) |
12:26.06 | Dalhia | afaik he uses euh, omen, ora and grid as ace2 addons, and downloaded them from wowace with dependancies |
12:27.06 | Xinhuan | where did he download omen from? |
12:27.11 | Throngy | threat 2.0 is a library |
12:27.15 | Xinhuan | or threat2 |
12:27.36 | Throngy | so it should be in the omen directory if downloaded with dependencies |
12:27.40 | Dalhia | files.wowace.com he said, sec |
12:27.46 | Dalhia | yeah, thats what I thought aswell |
12:28.37 | Throngy | get your friend to try disabling Lib:Threat-2.0 in the addons window |
12:29.40 | Dalhia | I made him check first if he had the threat folder in his libs folder, he isnt the brightest and may have managed to get one without dependancies.. |
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12:40.14 | Dalhia | thanks, he did indeed have some stand alone dependancies left which were outdated. |
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12:46.19 | FinalX | hum, anyone familiar with Palatank? |
12:46.39 | FinalX | seems like a nice addon, but i cant seem to move the frames, and its giving errors in the frames :P |
12:46.45 | FinalX | "DATA_ERROR" |
12:51.08 | JaxxMaxx__ | any one know when Omen2 plans to move over to the Curseforge system? keeps telling me there's a new version, but I can't see anything listed on wowace higher than what I have. |
12:52.51 | sacarasc | because the new version thing is for Threat-2.0 |
12:52.54 | sacarasc | not Omen itself |
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12:54.43 | JaxxMaxx__ | aha, tricky. |
12:54.56 | JaxxMaxx__ | it's the Omen window displaying NEW! r8xxxxxx |
12:55.35 | JaxxMaxx__ | curse client not the correct updater program now? didn't see a separate entry for Threat-2.0 |
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13:13.50 | FinalX | now that i got Palatank to work I'm so in love with it :d |
13:13.57 | chexsum | 3 arena match losses to mace stuns |
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13:14.25 | chexsum | i was yelling abuses in vent at one stage because i was stunned for 20s straight |
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13:18.11 | Dalhia | cant wait till rng stuns are gone |
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13:38.10 | JaxxMaxx__ | think they'd remove the stunlock builds? |
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13:59.40 | Iboong-Kenzo | WTF?! http://fin.instinct.org/wowmods/i/7594:capping_ru |
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14:01.22 | Kalroth | lol |
14:01.26 | Kalroth | commit war! |
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14:05.54 | Kalroth | http://fin.instinct.org/wowmods/i/7569:fubar_bindwarnfu-30000.1-release description is pretty funky :p |
14:05.54 | winkiller | hehe |
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14:08.03 | JerleMinara | probably quebecois |
14:13.41 | CIA-47 | 03sylvanaar 07WotLK-3.0 * r80934 10Prat/modules/PlayerNames.lua: |
14:13.41 | CIA-47 | Prat 3.0 (Dev): |
14:13.41 | CIA-47 | Only use the who workaround for unknown guild members if the player is |
14:13.41 | CIA-47 | actually in a guild. |
14:14.47 | sylvanaar | grrr blizzard IsInGuild() is always true, grrrrr for 0 being true |
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14:19.29 | SNiLD | sylvanaar: that seems to happen even before WotLK too btw ;) |
14:19.42 | SNiLD | sylvanaar: i always wondered what caused that weird "not in a guild" message :P |
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14:20.44 | ithato | ckknight: I heard a while back that you were considering rewriting Pitbull, have you given that any more consideration? |
14:21.02 | ckknight | @project pitbull4 |
14:21.02 | Repo | ckknight: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/pitbull4/. PitBull Unit Frames 4.0. Game: WoW. Leader: ckknight. Updated: 40 minutes ago |
14:21.48 | ckknight | ithato: ^--- |
14:21.51 | CIA-47 | 03sylvanaar 07WotLK-3.0 * r80935 10Prat/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
14:21.51 | CIA-47 | Prat 3.0 (Dev): |
14:21.51 | CIA-47 | Move the experimental module to the Prat-3.0_HighCPUUsageModules pullout. |
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14:22.33 | sylvanaar | SNiLD its not related to prat - it was just added last week to deal with guilds with over 500 member |
14:23.10 | ithato | ckknight: sounds great, and happy belated 21st, welcome to the legions of the legal |
14:23.25 | ckknight | I should take that out of the topic |
14:23.32 | sylvanaar | that reminds me, i need to fix ACP to handle prat-3.0's name |
14:23.38 | *** topic/#wowace by ckknight -> WoWAce Future Plans! http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14316.0 | http://www.wowace.com | http://files.wowace.com/ | http://ace.pastey.net | http://www.lua.org | Author Key Give-Aways! http://wow.curseforge.com/announcements/lich-king-beta-author-key-giveaway/ | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17207 |
14:23.39 | SNiLD | sylvanaar: oh ok... |
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14:24.06 | ithato | I keep reading about "psyn feeds" on threads relating to the upcoming Curse Client, can anyone link me to a reference for that? it sounds like some sort of syndication format |
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14:25.31 | ckknight | ithato: it is, though the format's kinda fluid in its lack of real documentation and arbitrary changing state |
14:26.28 | ithato | ckknight: something being developed alongside the new WA site, then? |
14:26.42 | ckknight | ithato: WHA, you mean? |
14:26.52 | ckknight | warhammeralliance, I'm assuming |
14:27.02 | ckknight | ithato: the psyn format's been around for a while |
14:27.15 | ckknight | it's changed in various ways to support more and more things, though |
14:28.18 | ithato | ckknight: i see. well, i'm in the process of coding a wow-related website, and if there's some kind of feed i can gather to notify my users, "hey, x addon got updated yesterday" and link to you good folks, i would find that to be advantageous |
14:28.37 | ithato | ckknight: so any kind of spec or documentation, incomplete thought it may be, would be nice to read |
14:28.52 | ckknight | ithato: I recommend contacting Kolie |
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14:30.04 | ithato | ckknight: ok, thanks |
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14:30.56 | CIA-47 | 03sylvanaar * r80936 10Prat/Prat.toc: Prat: OptDep Prat-3.0 in preparation for Prat-3.0's move to trunk. |
14:31.44 | sylvanaar | man, i need to prepare myself mentally for this |
14:31.49 | AckisWork | sylvanaar: prat 3.0 is almost ready for trunk?!?! |
14:31.55 | sylvanaar | going alpha |
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14:32.14 | AckisWork | you seemed to code that pretty damn fast |
14:32.37 | sylvanaar | it still has to make it through alpha and beta |
14:33.06 | sylvanaar | its got a ways to go - but, its working, and I am using it exclusively |
14:33.33 | sylvanaar | I dont even use prat 2 anymore |
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14:33.42 | AckisWork | nice |
14:34.04 | sylvanaar | plus - the experimental module has some cool features that I love |
14:34.44 | AckisWork | I'll have to play with it |
14:35.16 | sylvanaar | yeah, the experimental module just got moved into the HighCPUUsage pullout, so it'll have to be tested again |
14:35.59 | SNiLD | oh big changes coming up... :/ |
14:36.04 | CIA-47 | 03adirelle * r80937 10Yatba/ (Yatba.lua Yatba.toc): (log message trimmed) |
14:36.04 | CIA-47 | Yatba: |
14:36.04 | CIA-47 | - new feature : target and focus highlights, |
14:36.04 | CIA-47 | - all font settings and bar thickness moved into "general layout" panel, |
14:36.04 | CIA-47 | - all group "remove" and "enable" controls moved together into "bar groups" panel, |
14:36.05 | CIA-47 | - new group setting: scale, |
14:36.09 | CIA-47 | - one can now disable health display in unit headers, |
14:36.10 | sylvanaar | but, its freaking awesome, mouseover hilighting of chatlines from whoever's name you mouseover |
14:36.15 | sylvanaar | 2 column chatframes |
14:36.16 | SNiLD | i hope the libraries will be separated from the rest of the stuff finally... |
14:36.31 | sylvanaar | what |
14:36.31 | CIA-47 | 03ackis * r80938 10AckisRecipeList/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
14:36.31 | CIA-47 | AckisRecipeList: |
14:36.31 | CIA-47 | - Enchanting and vendor update to address ticket 47 |
14:36.31 | CIA-47 | - Dry-coded (compiles with luac -p) |
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14:39.12 | ithato | Anyone using Fubar2Broker a lot? I made a brief attempt at it last night but had to crash for work before I accomplished much of anything |
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15:06.59 | Lukian | sylvanaar, could you move the "ReloadUI" button in ACP? |
15:07.17 | Lukian | It's in the same spot as "Close" on similar-sized 'official' frames |
15:13.45 | sylvanaar | Lukian yeah, i'll try, it confuses me too sometimes |
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15:22.15 | KriLL3 | why are some of my addons not listed in ACP? |
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15:26.19 | sylvanaar | idk |
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15:30.19 | Yasuo | hi there, anyone knows an addon automaticly buying items for me? |
15:34.13 | Throngy | don't think there are any - auctioneer used to do it but not any more (think Blizzard weren't keen on it) |
15:34.50 | CrazyBenny | Yasuo: from auction house or from vendor NPCs? |
15:35.11 | Throngy | CrazyBenny: ah. good question :P |
15:35.54 | Yasuo | npcs |
15:36.04 | Josh_Borke | check out free refills |
15:36.10 | Throngy | FreeRefills |
15:36.12 | CrazyBenny | idd |
15:36.18 | Throngy | I thought.. |
15:36.24 | Yasuo | thx you two :) |
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16:25.55 | Stanzilla | even the release version driver crashes for me all the time :/ |
16:26.06 | KriLL3 | :D |
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16:27.13 | Odlaw | hrm, just got a merge failed msg wtf? |
16:27.16 | KriLL3 | I love that vista brings up a prompt later being all "there there, everyone can't get it right the first time around" and tells you how to update your drivers, my drivers aren't even officially released yet, now much more up to date can I be? |
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17:00.03 | KriLL3 | Anyone knows when S4 ends? will it be before LK? |
17:00.17 | KriLL3 | I'm contemplating just saving all my honor and arena points until then |
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17:00.36 | nevcairiel | S4 didnt start that long ago |
17:00.47 | nevcairiel | I dont think they'll do a new season before LK |
17:01.06 | KriLL3 | but aren't they likely to drop a lot of easy to get gear beforehand? they did before TBC |
17:01.20 | nevcairiel | How so? |
17:01.53 | KriLL3 | I recall them removing the ranks thing prior to TBC so everyone could get good pvp gear etc |
17:02.01 | nevcairiel | oh yeah |
17:02.02 | KriLL3 | I might be mistaken though |
17:02.14 | nevcairiel | But i dont think they intended that to get people the gear |
17:02.19 | Carancu | the honor-gear was not exactly on par with tier3 though. |
17:02.20 | nevcairiel | they just wanted to rework the pvp system |
17:02.35 | nevcairiel | Before BC you just owned in BGs with your PvE gear |
17:02.38 | nevcairiel | man i miss those days |
17:02.47 | Esine | uhm no |
17:02.48 | Funkeh` | so what's up |
17:02.50 | Funkeh` | so fucking bored |
17:02.58 | Esine | before BC you were a knight champion and had access to the champions hall |
17:03.06 | Esine | if you werent you were a pussy :| |
17:03.18 | KriLL3 | I was :> |
17:03.20 | nevcairiel | I was, but still |
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17:03.40 | KriLL3 | I had rank 11 before BGs |
17:03.46 | Carancu | rank 3, then I got bored of it. |
17:03.48 | KriLL3 | tremble at my might |
17:04.14 | nevcairiel | These days you dont win anything in your PvE gear, at least in BGs you should have a chance, save pure e-sport competition in arena gear for the arenas :( |
17:05.02 | nevcairiel | But you can do pretty well in Arena gear in PvE, not 100%, but guilds have shown that you can easily defeat Illidan in PvP gear |
17:05.03 | KriLL3 | I like that you don't get a free ticket to the upper rungs on pvp by pve:ing |
17:05.14 | KriLL3 | it's bad enough that a lot of nice pvp gear is locked inside raids etc |
17:05.28 | nevcairiel | Well i would be fine with arenas nerfing your pve gear |
17:05.32 | nevcairiel | but openpvp or bgs |
17:05.39 | Carancu | like it isn't the other way around too. pvping for pvegear... |
17:05.51 | KriLL3 | in bgs/world pvp you can run around with a raid of guildies like all pve:ers do |
17:06.11 | nevcairiel | I would still like to be able to do half-good in pure PvE gear |
17:06.14 | nevcairiel | like i could before BC |
17:06.16 | Arrowmaster | oh man i goto bed and you guys are still here talking when i get up, silly euros |
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17:06.23 | Obelixprime | lol |
17:06.36 | Obelixprime | I only wear pvp gear for arenas really |
17:06.48 | Obelixprime | unless i try to be "hardcore" and wear s2-3 gear in bgs |
17:06.55 | Obelixprime | but as a spriest there's no point when pvping |
17:07.08 | Obelixprime | as long as you have a healer and are > 10k health |
17:07.10 | nevcairiel | try being a healer in a bg, if your enemy is half-smart you are their first target |
17:07.20 | Obelixprime | you can usually kite/dot/kill anyone while in a battleground |
17:07.31 | Carancu | feral druid: "your are out of range" |
17:07.38 | evonder | anyone know the best way to remove eol characters from the begining of multiple files? |
17:07.40 | Carancu | you are* |
17:07.41 | nevcairiel | I usually have at least one rogue and 1-2 hunter pets on me |
17:07.51 | Obelixprime | :( |
17:07.58 | nevcairiel | while i can heal myself through that pretty easily in pve gear |
17:08.08 | KriLL3 | Carancu: I love being a feral druid on Coldarra... horrible lag + range bug + mages that know how to exploit both = not a single hit |
17:08.13 | nevcairiel | One stun when i cant heal myself anymore kills me |
17:08.14 | Obelixprime | evonder: it depends on your editor I think, there's faq's on how to do it in vim |
17:09.06 | [SW]Dodge | wow o.o i added my addon to curse 2h ago... and allready 12 downloads o.o |
17:09.15 | evonder | well I am on a windows machine, and what do you know got a bsod when exiting wow...now have eol at the begining of every single savedvar file :( |
17:09.20 | nevcairiel | Last week in WSG one rogue caught me off-guard in caster form, and i was dead during stunlock |
17:09.24 | nevcairiel | thats not funny :( |
17:09.39 | Carancu | that's why I don't even try to pvp on the betaserver, I got problem enough being in range on the npcs |
17:09.40 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: you got about 8k hp? |
17:09.46 | nevcairiel | KriLL3: about 10k |
17:10.01 | KriLL3 | Carancu: yeah I just wanted to try and gank a low hp pvp:enabled mage |
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17:10.17 | jy__ | nevcairiel: same thing happened to me at sunwell island |
17:10.38 | jy__ | i dont have any pvp gear on my druid |
17:10.44 | nevcairiel | well i do |
17:10.46 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: I got 11k, only way a rogue stunlocks me to death is if my pvp trinket has cooldown or I'm in a bad condition already |
17:10.48 | nevcairiel | but only s2 shit |
17:11.07 | KriLL3 | or he blows every single cooldown |
17:11.18 | jy__ | damage reduction stacking makes druid op, not druids themselves |
17:11.30 | nevcairiel | because i stopped doing arenas when my arena team dissolved in late s2, and couldnt be arsed to find a new one really |
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17:12.00 | nevcairiel | And S2 compared to my Sunwell Raid Gear .. well it nerfs my healing stats that much, that i rarely wear it =P |
17:12.06 | KriLL3 | I and an IRL buddy do arena games knowing we'll just get to 1600~ and we'll either get S3/S4 gear or buy help to get most of S4 |
17:12.36 | jy__ | i hate TBC pvp |
17:12.42 | KriLL3 | me2 |
17:12.51 | jy__ | too boring |
17:12.52 | Esine | me too!!1 |
17:13.03 | nevcairiel | I hope wintergrasp is fun |
17:13.06 | KriLL3 | persistence and dedication doesn't mean anything anymore, you need the right spec and partners |
17:13.08 | nevcairiel | the new BG looks awesome too |
17:13.15 | Esine | nevcairiel, I just really hope it's not siege only stuff |
17:13.18 | Esine | but real world pvp |
17:13.28 | jy__ | i only want to have fun when pvping |
17:13.33 | jy__ | not being the best |
17:13.35 | nevcairiel | (although i doubt wintergrasp will be a big hit on my server, we have sucky horde) |
17:13.35 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if wintergrasp will give arena points in live like i heard it does in beta |
17:13.40 | KriLL3 | in BG pvp you can at least grind forever to get the best stuff, now you can't get the best stuff if you're the wrong class/spec |
17:13.43 | Esine | I heard there's a mine at wintergrasp with lots of minerals.. hopefully that'll become a popular ganking place :) |
17:14.07 | Aeyan | My PvP used to be fun until the Arena |
17:14.22 | KriLL3 | arena is less pvp than it is a duel |
17:14.38 | Aeyan | Now, if you aren't fully S2+ geared while wandering around the world, you're just meat for the grinder. |
17:14.56 | KriLL3 | well you get S2 from bg |
17:15.03 | Obelixprime | one of the benefits of a low pop server |
17:15.06 | Obelixprime | i rarely see anyone |
17:15.10 | Aeyan | I realize that |
17:15.21 | Aeyan | Just saying that Arena pretty much ruined world PvP on my server |
17:15.24 | Esine | wouldn't that be a negative thing |
17:15.28 | KriLL3 | pft plat on a pve server carebear |
17:15.35 | jy__ | world pvp was ruined long time ago :) |
17:15.47 | ag` | Problem is pvp doesn't mean anything for the game world... They should add some rare world drops from mobs that spawn in a FFA zone, if you control them you can craft mad epics. That's some epic pvp for you right there. |
17:16.09 | CIA-47 | 03Ghostar * r80942 10Parrot/Locales/ (ParrotLocale-zhCN.lua ParrotLocale-zhTW.lua): |
17:16.09 | CIA-47 | Parrot: |
17:16.09 | CIA-47 | -- Fix zhCN/zhTW typo. |
17:16.17 | Aeyan | Nah, it was still fun in BC up through 70 |
17:16.21 | jy__ | i have a friend who plays AoC |
17:16.29 | jy__ | apparentl AoC PvP is like wow |
17:16.36 | Aeyan | I don't have a problem getting jacked by a rogue dual wielding the glaives |
17:16.36 | CIA-47 | 03sylvanaar 07WotLK-3.0 * r80943 10Prat/addon/addon.lua: |
17:16.36 | CIA-47 | Prat 3.0 (Dev): |
17:16.36 | CIA-47 | Add DisableAddOn("Prat") to the main chunk, to prevent loading Prat-2.0 |
17:16.36 | jy__ | doesn't award anything |
17:16.37 | Aeyan | Hey, he worked for it |
17:17.12 | ag` | skill should be > gear |
17:17.52 | jy__ | <PROTECTED> |
17:18.41 | jy__ | and having 400 resi + 13k pv shouldn't allow careless use of the skills |
17:18.53 | jy__ | against lower geared people |
17:19.19 | jy__ | stuff makes people lazy to use skill when playing |
17:19.24 | Ozafy | ofc it should |
17:19.30 | Megalon | that's the point of it |
17:19.32 | Megalon | or not? |
17:19.32 | Ozafy | better gear means easyer everything |
17:19.43 | ag` | well gear just makes characters scale too much |
17:19.45 | Ozafy | but I do agree arena is a piece of crap |
17:20.09 | Ozafy | in a giant war I don't want to be forced to play in a sandbox with 3 others |
17:20.10 | Esine | yeah, gear allows people to make more mistakes (or worst case not even know what they're doing) |
17:20.26 | jy__ | atm, you are 8k hp 0 resi, you counter every ability and avoid the most you can |
17:20.38 | KriLL3 | another thing I don't like about areans is that RNG is a huge factor |
17:20.38 | jy__ | the other with S3/S4 wins |
17:20.44 | Ozafy | that's because gear at endgame is like level midgame |
17:20.53 | Ozafy | you're saying you don't want 70's to gank 60s? |
17:21.14 | jy__ | hey at lvl 62 in zangar we were 2 leveling |
17:21.20 | jy__ | a hunter 70 aggroed us |
17:21.30 | jy__ | he had to drink a pot |
17:21.30 | ag` | not really true, because you can't solo your way to sunwell epics |
17:21.46 | ag` | I'm not saying that you should be able to either |
17:22.02 | KriLL3 | if your stun is parried/dodge/miss or your cyclone is resisted twice in a row you're dead, that has nothing to do with skill |
17:22.06 | Ozafy | PvP should just be about premade battlegounds tbh |
17:22.15 | Ozafy | 10v10 premades, get gear from that |
17:22.18 | Ozafy | screw arenas |
17:22.24 | ag` | PvP should be about the world imo |
17:22.26 | ag` | screw instances |
17:22.42 | jy__ | btw, for people who went in wintergasp |
17:22.50 | jy__ | how works the rez system ? |
17:22.50 | Ozafy | Well, they've already killed that with infinite guard spawns |
17:23.02 | ag` | which is stupid |
17:23.17 | ag` | there needs to be something worth fighting for in the world |
17:23.18 | Ozafy | even in places where they encourage world pvp (halaa) you have guards with more hp then onyxia :/ |
17:23.33 | ag` | well halaa is useless |
17:23.39 | ag` | you gain nothing from doing it |
17:24.11 | KriLL3 | well the guards aren't what you're fighting, you're fighting over the roosts |
17:24.18 | CIA-47 | 03sylvanaar 07WotLK * r80944 10ACP/ (ACP.lua ACP.toc): ACP: Drycode fix for group by name, and Prat-3.0_ModuleName |
17:24.23 | Ozafy | yeah..but why..? |
17:24.27 | Carancu | halaa is "never" in the control of the horde on Argent Dawn EU... there simply is too many allianceplayers on the server. |
17:24.51 | ag` | the two faction setting is sucky for pvp anyway |
17:24.53 | Ozafy | I don't want to bomb the thing for 15 minutes flying a stupid bird bombing npcs |
17:24.53 | KriLL3 | agreed it would be more fun to have actual pvp |
17:24.56 | Ozafy | that's not pvp |
17:25.13 | KriLL3 | well the flag capture is a bit more pvp |
17:25.14 | Ozafy | I want to go in there, kill some alliance, and plant my flag |
17:25.22 | jy__ | pvp for being able to enter instance |
17:25.24 | sylvanaar | someone want to try out that ACP and see if it works? I can't until I get home from work. |
17:25.33 | jy__ | that is the only thing i can think of |
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17:25.49 | ag` | problem is that it won't work because of the two faction setting |
17:25.54 | jy__ | remember world server crashing due to 3 horde raid and 2 alliance raid meeting at blackrock |
17:26.03 | ag` | some servers have 70/30 |
17:26.07 | ag` | or maybe 80/20 |
17:26.19 | jy__ | yeah unfortunately |
17:26.20 | ag` | so it won't work, unless they allow people to go ffa |
17:26.34 | cncfanatics | giev 3 factions |
17:26.37 | KriLL3 | urgh the legions of noob... mention the beta in /1 on live and you get a million wispers about every damn ability/spell/talent in the game and questions about how it's been nerfed/buffed... |
17:26.39 | cncfanatics | world of starcraft ! |
17:27.07 | KriLL3 | one guy even asked if I was playing on a private beta server... wtf how do you even think that's possible? |
17:27.10 | ag` | 3 factions would still have problems, because the number of players on each side can be unbalanced |
17:27.46 | KriLL3 | couldn't you sweeten the deal for factions with less active players? |
17:28.29 | jy__ | the problem is : blizzard don't want people who loose not being able to access content |
17:28.31 | ag` | perhaps, but ffa or allowing people to switch sides is the way to go |
17:28.43 | jy__ | because that would make them leave wow |
17:28.48 | KriLL3 | ffa sucks imo |
17:29.00 | ag` | that's what guilds are for KriLL3 |
17:29.05 | jy__ | rvr > ffa |
17:29.15 | KriLL3 | ag`: hell no |
17:29.21 | ag` | hell no? |
17:29.35 | KriLL3 | you have any idea how lame it is to walk around with an escort of your own guild just to get anything done? |
17:29.44 | jy__ | ffa is about camping/gank |
17:29.58 | ag` | how is it different, except players choose who they team with, instead of blizzard telling you team with |
17:30.00 | KriLL3 | that's how eve works, in low sec you can't go anywhere without a full gathering of buddies |
17:30.16 | KriLL3 | it means you can't ever do anything solo |
17:30.35 | jy__ | that will never happen in wow |
17:30.44 | ag` | probably not |
17:30.47 | jy__ | the ability to solo is a key |
17:30.50 | ag` | but that's why pvp is going to keep sucking |
17:31.00 | ag` | it will always feel tacked on |
17:31.13 | KriLL3 | why would it keep sucking you say? |
17:31.30 | jy__ | all these problems comes from "we don't want to frustrates player" |
17:31.34 | ag` | because it sucks, it is a rollercoaster grind for epics |
17:32.13 | jy__ | average player dont want to keep losing/not being able to access content |
17:32.19 | jy__ | because they would leave |
17:32.23 | jy__ | and stop paying |
17:32.31 | ag` | that is what pvp/pve servers should be for |
17:32.36 | ag` | but blizzard had to make them the same |
17:32.40 | ag` | I mean |
17:33.00 | jy__ | i had to roll on pvp because my friends were on pvp |
17:33.14 | jy__ | (and they were on pvp because their friends were on) |
17:33.17 | Matrix110| | nevcairiel |
17:33.22 | nevcairiel | wut? |
17:33.24 | Matrix110| | voice CIA in wowace-cia :P |
17:33.31 | nevcairiel | i dont have op there |
17:33.35 | Matrix110| | oh |
17:33.41 | jy__ | i think pvp server should not have any pve content |
17:33.41 | Matrix110| | fail |
17:33.56 | nevcairiel | doesnt it report to #wowuidev-commits too? |
17:33.58 | nevcairiel | just sue that |
17:34.49 | ag` | I just don't see why it has to be an either or situation |
17:35.00 | KriLL3 | ag`: you seriously think pvp would be more fun if you had to raid for it? |
17:35.08 | ag` | they could add pvp ffa zones, and they could add more pve crap content |
17:35.11 | ag` | raid for it? |
17:35.24 | KriLL3 | in FFA you can't solo anything, you need a group |
17:35.33 | ag` | of course you can |
17:35.47 | ag` | you can get ganked by squads on pvp servers too |
17:35.49 | KriLL3 | I see you've never played an mmo with ffa pvp |
17:35.56 | ag` | I did |
17:36.03 | ag` | and that is why I hate wow pvp |
17:37.12 | ag` | there's nothing stopping horde from grouping up and ganking solo alliance players and vice versa on live, right now |
17:37.22 | Dashkal | meh, want to get off of my pvp server. Problem is I need a place to go, no friends play on PvE |
17:37.39 | jy__ | it is much more difficult to get help on ffa |
17:38.11 | ag` | getting good random help is hard in wow too |
17:38.23 | jy__ | with a faction system, it is likely that other people from your faction group up |
17:38.25 | ag` | so if you're getting ganked, most people would likely ask their guildmates for help |
17:38.29 | Matrix110| | WoW fails that you do 90% of the content solo as good as with a party :P |
17:38.38 | jy__ | ag`: i saw stupid thing doing sunwell dailies |
17:38.47 | jy__ | rogue killing a mage |
17:38.57 | jy__ | the other guy next to him doesnt react |
17:39.02 | jy__ | he's next |
17:39.04 | KriLL3 | Matrix110|: you honestly want to do everything in a group/raid? |
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17:39.09 | ag` | of course |
17:39.17 | ag` | that's wow for you |
17:39.20 | ag` | :P |
17:39.49 | KriLL3 | I pvp with a sense of honor |
17:39.51 | Dashkal | Matrix110|: funny thing is that's why I play wow and not other MMOs, because I'm not _forced_ to group. |
17:39.51 | Matrix110| | I want to level faster if I have a group XP/hour wise |
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17:40.27 | Matrix110| | Dashkal nobody is talking about forcing people but in a group (some exceptions) you get not more xp you get less normally |
17:40.44 | Matrix110| | in other MMORPG there are level areas where you cant level without a group |
17:41.06 | KriLL3 | heard of instances? |
17:41.11 | Dashkal | wow has those too... too slow |
17:41.18 | Matrix110| | they dont give that much exp |
17:41.34 | Dashkal | erm? I can get pretty good exp instance grinding |
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17:41.49 | KriLL3 | let me guess you "you must be ina a group!" people are all non viable solo, resto druids, holy priests etc? |
17:42.10 | Matrix110| | iam a mage |
17:42.29 | Matrix110| | but its one of the reasons why only few people want to be a healer |
17:42.40 | kenlyric | XP doesn't come from mobs |
17:42.42 | KriLL3 | well all healers can spec for dps |
17:42.43 | kenlyric | it comes from quests |
17:42.55 | KriLL3 | most quests involves killing mobs |
17:43.01 | Matrix110| | yes and wow has like 2% group quests? |
17:43.03 | kenlyric | so getting reduced xp on a mob kill is hardly worth noticing |
17:43.25 | KriLL3 | I solo most group quests |
17:43.29 | kenlyric | any quest is a group quest if you do it in a group |
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17:43.48 | kenlyric | and you get less xp per kill per person but you do them faster which means more quest xp per hour |
17:44.16 | Matrix110| | yes but you can do almost every quest solo there are maybe 50 group quests in TBC... |
17:44.16 | AckisWork | ~seen kagaro |
17:44.17 | purl | kagaro is currently on #wowuidev (1h 43m 53s) #wowace (1h 43m 53s) #curseforge (1h 43m 53s), last said: 'Arrowmaster: did you update your svn checkout? I added the binmode for windows'. |
17:44.25 | kenlyric | so unless you're just trying to mob grind in a group (incredibly dumb since 2.2) it's not a problem |
17:44.52 | njal | hrmph. how do you guys deal with localization? just developer friends from country X, Y, Z thats interested in making and keeping the addon work for their localized client? |
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17:45.20 | kenlyric | more like someone works on localizing every mod they can for their locality |
17:45.22 | nevcairiel | njal: we just upload our addon, and if its popular enough, some translator will simply translate it =P |
17:45.24 | kenlyric | even if they don't use it |
17:45.25 | Pneumatus | just write the addon in your locale, and if other people like it let them send you localised strings, or commit new ones :) |
17:45.31 | kenlyric | like I don't think gamefaq uses that many mods |
17:45.34 | njal | I'm using AceLocale for my strings, but keeping the localization luas up to date sounds like its going to be painful |
17:45.51 | Matrix110| | Just tell them to use the enGB/enUS client |
17:45.53 | nevcairiel | njal: i use a script for that :) |
17:46.19 | njal | nevcairiel: a released one? :P |
17:46.26 | nevcairiel | it strips all L[...] strings from my code files, places them in the enUS file, matches the locale files against it, and adds the missing ones |
17:46.29 | nevcairiel | well not exactly |
17:46.46 | nevcairiel | but you can check it out in Bartender4/locale/Babelfish.lua |
17:46.48 | nevcairiel | in svn trunk |
17:47.01 | KriLL3 | how stupid do you need to be if you're a retri pala to try and steal the vein of a feral in S2/4? |
17:47.14 | kenlyric | point is, it's always better to do quests in a party because you do them 2x,3x,4x as fast, except for stupid collection quests, which you just skip. |
17:47.54 | nevcairiel | njal: i should write a generic version of it some day and publish it somewhere |
17:47.57 | kenlyric | except the awesome ones where the drops drop for everyone in the party. |
17:48.00 | Belazor | KriLL3: Lobotomised George Bush |
17:48.07 | KriLL3 | XD |
17:48.15 | KriLL3 | Belazor: he's tried it twice now |
17:48.31 | KriLL3 | first time he just walked up next to me and tried to get in edge wise, second time he started with a hammer of justice |
17:48.47 | Belazor | only problem is, on my account, I'm the Ret Paladin :( |
17:48.49 | njal | nevcairiel: I might be looking at your script, then write one in python some day I get the urge and time |
17:48.55 | Belazor | but I don't play on PvP servers so Im safe |
17:48.56 | Belazor | XD |
17:48.56 | kenlyric | maybe you shouldn't be such a dick and let him get the skill point, you insenstive clod. |
17:48.57 | njal | would you mind if I did that? |
17:49.06 | nevcairiel | I like lua scripts >:( |
17:49.22 | njal | I dont have a lua interpreter etc :P |
17:49.37 | nevcairiel | I always wanted to write a sh file to go with that to automatically find all exisiting lua files |
17:49.41 | AckisWork | njal: easy to download :P |
17:49.52 | dodga | njal: apt-get install lua :> |
17:50.01 | Pneumatus | yum install lua-devel |
17:50.01 | Belazor | lollinux |
17:50.09 | nevcairiel | emerge lua! |
17:50.20 | Belazor | lua.exe! |
17:50.22 | njal | emerge y3k more like it :P |
17:50.58 | Pneumatus | emerge #eventually. |
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17:52.27 | Primer | emerge? People still use genpoo? |
17:52.28 | nevcairiel | hah thats awesome |
17:52.28 | nevcairiel | http://waxy.org/random/images/weblog/transparent_powerbook.jpg |
17:52.39 | dodga | uh, genpoo, creative :D |
17:52.43 | Primer | Heh, the dude that runs that site is an old co-worker of mine |
17:52.48 | Obelixprime | is there currently an in game to do list available? |
17:53.00 | Primer | plus, I know the dude that used to own waxy.org before him...strange, ain't it? |
17:53.28 | Primer | One of those "small world" kinda things |
17:53.30 | njal | hmm |
17:53.48 | dodga | everybody knows everyone in at most 7 steps, so what :P |
17:54.07 | njal | stuff like UnitClass("player") etc. isnt localized I hope |
17:54.18 | nevcairiel | njal: it is, and its not! |
17:54.23 | Belazor | first return param is local, second isnt |
17:54.26 | Belazor | I think |
17:54.40 | njal | phew, I'm using the 2nd :) |
17:54.47 | nevcairiel | the 2nd is the file name |
17:54.55 | nevcairiel | which is the classname in all caps in english |
17:54.56 | nevcairiel | like |
17:54.58 | nevcairiel | WARRIOR |
17:55.07 | Belazor | WORRIER |
17:55.34 | Megalon | DROOD |
17:55.36 | Megalon | and others! |
17:55.47 | nevcairiel | LOLLOCK! |
17:55.49 | nevcairiel | oh wait |
17:55.53 | dodga | hrmpf. no beta key yet. |
17:57.06 | Belazor | WURLOX |
17:57.10 | Belazor | MAEG |
17:57.13 | Belazor | SHAMEN |
17:57.15 | Belazor | PADALIN |
17:57.30 | dodga | PALYDAN! NREF! |
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18:19.53 | CIA-47 | 03sylvanaar 07WotLK * r80945 10ACP/ACP.lua: ACP: Fix the nil error, but not exactly fixed for Prat-3.0. May just special case it. |
18:22.08 | CIA-47 | 03sylvanaar 07WotLK-3.0 * r80946 10Prat/pullouts/Prat-3.0_HighCPUUsageModules/Experimental.lua: |
18:22.08 | CIA-47 | Prat 3.0 (Dev): |
18:22.08 | CIA-47 | Fixed module to run from an external addon |
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18:24.29 | Saroz | slash command to set MT targets in blizz? |
18:24.37 | Saroz | since apparently it's tainted to do it with right click |
18:26.12 | Stanzilla | /mt name |
18:27.18 | nevcairiel | Saroz: turn off clearfont |
18:27.21 | nevcairiel | and taint goes away |
18:27.30 | nevcairiel | or rather, comment the offending line in clearfnt |
18:28.40 | Saroz | I luv clearfont |
18:28.46 | Saroz | what line |
18:28.58 | nevcairiel | look in design.lua |
18:29.04 | nevcairiel | some lines have a header |
18:29.04 | Pneumatus | does MiniType taint the raid interface? |
18:29.12 | nevcairiel | its 4 or so |
18:29.31 | Saroz | 4th what |
18:29.46 | nevcairiel | 4 lines, not 4th =P |
18:29.51 | nevcairiel | just read the freaking comments :) |
18:30.43 | ag` | Pneumatus: raid interface? |
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18:31.37 | Pneumatus | ag`: ClearFont2 taints the raid window by dicking with fonts, just wondered if MiniType suffers the same problem |
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18:31.57 | ag` | I don't know, try it |
18:32.53 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: yes it does |
18:33.06 | Fisker- | why doesn't my raid window get tainted? >:3 |
18:33.16 | nevcairiel | it looks like a total rip-off from tekticles |
18:34.45 | Obelixprime | So I asked this earlier, but I don't think anyone answered... is there an in game ToDo list manager addon? |
18:34.59 | Obelixprime | Sort of like there's Remember the Milk |
18:35.34 | Pneumatus | is it just one of the text objects that end up tainting the raid frame, or multiple? |
18:35.51 | ag` | what does your taintlog say? |
18:36.09 | Pneumatus | i cant test right now, im in the middle of a raid :< |
18:36.24 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: its multiple |
18:36.49 | Zhinjio | where are the EotS inviter people? |
18:36.52 | nevcairiel | UIDROPDOWNMENU_DEFAULT_TEXT_HEIGHT, UNIT_NAME_FONT, NAMEPLATE_FONT, DAMAGE_TEXT_FONT, STANDARD_TEXT_FONT |
18:37.01 | nevcairiel | those 5 vars taint it |
18:37.04 | Zhinjio | I assume theyre' in the major towns, but where specifically, say... in IF? |
18:37.46 | nevcairiel | Zhinjio: where all other inviter are? |
18:37.59 | Zhinjio | ok |
18:38.00 | Zhinjio | thanks. |
18:38.02 | nevcairiel | military district |
18:38.05 | Zhinjio | I don't pvp, and my wife is asking |
18:39.41 | Pneumatus | nevcairiel: so the only way to change the font without any taint is to rename your font and drop it in the Fonts folder? |
18:39.52 | Pneumatus | which could then end up a mess because you cant set scaling, etc |
18:40.04 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: for those parts, anyway. However the UIDropdown font size is a mess |
18:40.06 | Stanzilla | yup |
18:40.38 | nevcairiel | cant change it :( |
18:40.55 | nevcairiel | they really need to rewrite the dropdown shit |
18:41.40 | Odlaw | agrees |
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18:42.30 | Groktar | bites |
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18:43.03 | Groktar | eyes ShaneSveller's soul hungrily |
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18:44.05 | ShaneSveller | lolwut? |
18:45.31 | Groktar | sneaks up behind ShaneSveller |
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18:46.58 | CIA-47 | 03danielbarron * r80947 10RaidBuffStatus/ (10 files in 2 dirs): |
18:46.59 | CIA-47 | RaidBuffStatus: |
18:46.59 | CIA-47 | - Added an option to allow you to configure if the dashboard automatically shows or not when you join a party or raid. |
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18:52.07 | KriLL3 | buy a full collection of giantuque bags now or should I save the gold for LK you think? |
18:52.37 | dodga | Either that or pay 8k for that Dalaran-Teleport-Ring :o |
18:52.47 | KriLL3 | ? |
18:53.29 | dodga | there's a ring that costs 7600 (probably with enough rep) that has on use: port to dalaran |
18:53.39 | Groktar | wtb |
18:53.48 | dodga | I could afford that right now :> |
18:53.57 | KriLL3 | cooldown? |
18:53.59 | Groktar | does dalaran have ports to shat/major cities? |
18:53.59 | dodga | But I need to buy more pets! |
18:54.05 | dodga | KriLL3: dunno :/ |
18:54.06 | KriLL3 | duh |
18:54.11 | dodga | Groktar: Presumably to Shatt |
18:54.16 | ShaneSveller | Krill3: half hour |
18:54.21 | KriLL3 | It got to all cities, stupid |
18:54.29 | Groktar | it's kind of a nightmare to go from northrend -> anywhere else atm |
18:54.32 | KriLL3 | 4 capitals per faction + shattrath |
18:54.35 | Ellipsis | dalaran is a mage city, it should have ports to every town in the game |
18:54.47 | dodga | I dunno, I ain't got no beta key |
18:54.49 | KriLL3 | it does |
18:54.52 | Groktar | do you still have to be 74? |
18:54.53 | KriLL3 | I do |
18:54.56 | KriLL3 | yeah |
18:54.58 | dodga | Probably because I didn't hail enough to Ellipsis :/ |
18:54.59 | Ellipsis | KriLL3: I said *town*, not city |
18:55.15 | KriLL3 | eh, you'd need one hell of a lot of portals for that |
18:55.16 | dodga | But then again, I don't bow to Warlock Mistresses! |
18:55.35 | Ellipsis | KriLL3: or a hell of a lot of mages wandering around porting themselves/each other to various places... |
18:55.42 | Ellipsis | oh wait, isn't that what would happen if dalaran were accurate? :) |
18:55.54 | KriLL3 | I dunno |
18:56.03 | nevcairiel | The mages of the kirin tor can probably do such things |
18:56.08 | nevcairiel | But why would they share? |
18:56.17 | KriLL3 | I'm not an RTS guy, don't have much familiarity with the earlier warcraft titles/lore |
18:56.28 | Groktar | why would the mages of kirin tor ever let filthy orcs into their city? |
18:56.36 | Ellipsis | I'd really like to see some mage npcs you could hire to port you |
18:56.37 | dodga | They got their port on cooldown, silly, cause they just ported a freekin city :P |
18:56.52 | nevcairiel | srsly |
18:56.55 | Ellipsis | kind of like a really awesomesauce flight master |
18:56.57 | KriLL3 | it didn't port, it hovered |
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18:57.19 | Ellipsis | gossip with them, point out where you'd like to go, and for a small fee they can teleport you directly there, no flight time! |
18:57.23 | dodga | KriLL3: Then they had a lot of feathers... |
18:57.37 | KriLL3 | druids might have helped |
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18:58.09 | KriLL3 | or they just did that bee flying cart thing but with dragons |
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18:59.10 | KriLL3 | bah, this is torture, I'm killing mobs with 6k hp slower than I kill mobs with 10k in northrend |
18:59.23 | Ellipsis | stop sucking :P |
18:59.26 | KriLL3 | giev 3.0 patch nauw |
18:59.52 | KriLL3 | Ellipsis: sans tigers fury, berserk and attacks that actually scale I can't really do much |
19:00.26 | Groktar | auce flight master |
19:00.26 | Groktar | < |
19:00.46 | Groktar | wow that's not at all what i meant to c&p |
19:05.13 | Groktar | so i've noticed that my wow 2.4.3 client takes about 430mb, and that the 3.0 client takes about 750mb |
19:05.18 | Groktar | anyone else getting that? |
19:05.57 | nevcairiel | my 2.4.3 client does to after playing for an hour |
19:06.11 | nevcairiel | *too |
19:07.43 | Groktar | mmm |
19:07.44 | KriLL3 | I got 4GB, I don't really mind |
19:08.22 | Groktar | well, i still have 2GB, and it starts taking forever to tab in/out after a while |
19:08.28 | Groktar | like upwards of a minute |
19:08.34 | Groktar | don't really get that with 2.4.3 |
19:08.52 | KriLL3 | I don't tab in/out, I got 4 screens |
19:09.18 | Esine | KriLL3, four?! which GPU(s) do you have? |
19:09.29 | KriLL3 | 8800gts and 8500gt |
19:09.30 | Esine | does nvidia sli support all 4 dvi ports? |
19:09.33 | Esine | at the same time |
19:09.44 | vithos | my 2.4.3 client is using 784.9 MB right now |
19:09.47 | Esine | oh right, it's not sli |
19:09.51 | KriLL3 | no |
19:09.56 | Esine | right ok |
19:12.52 | Groktar | so it appears laptop on battery + vista + wotlk beta = bad |
19:13.17 | KriLL3 | gaming on battery = bad full stop? |
19:13.25 | Groktar | hehe |
19:13.32 | Dashkal | hey, commander keen on battery works just fine :p |
19:13.44 | Groktar | hey, if i turn off the gpu throttling i can still get like 4!5 minutes on a full battery |
19:14.44 | Groktar | heh, doesn't look i *can* turn it off with this driver version |
19:17.13 | KriLL3 | I'm the kind of guy that has a fulltower PC with dual PSUs, GPUs 4GB of ram and a quad core along with 7 HDDs and got an Eee on the go |
19:17.39 | Groktar | only have 4 hdds, and only two of them are in raid |
19:17.41 | Groktar | :( |
19:19.14 | KriLL3 | I'm trying to say I don't believe in laptop gaming ;) |
19:21.22 | Groktar | well, i've got an hour and a half between classes 3 days a week |
19:21.44 | Groktar | i did game on this thing back in 2004 for quite a while tho |
19:21.46 | KriLL3 | that sucks |
19:22.15 | Groktar | one day i my computer froze and up and wouldn't post again |
19:22.32 | Groktar | opened the case and looked inside, hit the power button |
19:23.02 | Groktar | after about 30 seconds of very, very slow moving post codes it blew up in my face |
19:23.12 | KriLL3 | sounds like fun |
19:23.16 | Groktar | ya |
19:23.27 | Groktar | they replaced the motherboard for me but it was never the same |
19:23.34 | KriLL3 | they? |
19:23.37 | Groktar | epox |
19:23.47 | Groktar | manufacturer of exploding motherboards |
19:24.04 | KriLL3 | sounds like the PSU might have been to blame |
19:24.31 | Groktar | maybe |
19:24.41 | Groktar | that was one of the things i swapped out afterward |
19:25.05 | Groktar | pretty sure it damaged some other components afterward |
19:25.17 | KriLL3 | was it the capacitors that poped? |
19:25.23 | Groktar | ya |
19:25.31 | Groktar | no, wait |
19:26.01 | Groktar | was a little black square chip looking thing |
19:26.10 | Groktar | next to the big capacitors |
19:26.15 | KriLL3 | kk |
19:26.27 | PProvost|work | Does anyone know of an oUF layout that has a Main Assist group? Trying to figure out how to do it but not finding much info. |
19:26.36 | KriLL3 | your CPU can take damage from that kind of accident |
19:26.50 | KriLL3 | it was fed unregulated power |
19:26.54 | Groktar | yup |
19:27.21 | KriLL3 | my old P4 rig died that way except it was the capacitors |
19:27.23 | Groktar | like i said, i replaced the psu and rma'd the ram |
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19:27.37 | Groktar | didn't fix it so i played on the laptop for 6 months |
19:27.40 | KriLL3 | was my own fault though, added mroe and more parts over the years and it had a 400w psu |
19:28.04 | Groktar | hehe |
19:28.23 | Groktar | i'm thinking in november i'm going to upgrade again |
19:28.44 | Groktar | hopefully get a nehalem or w/e they're calling it these days |
19:29.12 | Groktar | $1000 budget, should get something pretty hawt |
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19:40.21 | vithos | Tekkub, is tekilevel hosted anywhere anymore? i can't find it |
19:40.35 | Tekkub | no, Engravings |
19:41.08 | vithos | ah nice |
19:41.29 | Tekkub | I just added "weighted" ilevel yesterday too |
19:41.44 | thul | http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs35/i/2008/238/2/1/Wire_Fence_Flowers_by_cainadamsson.jpg |
19:42.20 | vithos | normalized for item quality? |
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19:42.46 | Ellipsis | thul: MOAR KITTENZ |
19:43.17 | Tekkub | vithos, yes normalized to uncommon |
19:43.31 | Tekkub | for your northrendy upgrading pleasure |
19:43.53 | thul | Ellipsis: is that not good enough? |
19:44.23 | Ellipsis | what part of kittenz do you not understand?! |
19:45.14 | thul | :-( |
19:45.26 | thul | i can take nude pics of my gf, she is kittenish? :-P or myself :-D I'm LIEK A TIEGER!!1 |
19:45.29 | thul | or maybe not |
19:46.41 | Ellipsis | o.o |
19:46.50 | Ellipsis | nudes of your gf is fine too |
19:46.53 | Ellipsis | ;) |
19:46.57 | thul | hehe |
19:46.59 | thul | i don't think she would approve :-P |
19:47.04 | Ellipsis | a cat is fine too |
19:47.24 | thul | I DO have kittens |
19:47.24 | thul | :-P |
19:48.29 | cncfanatics | hmmm, where is the option for "smooth" health updates in the wotlk beta ? |
19:50.12 | vithos | Tekkub, very nice <3 |
19:50.59 | thul | Ellipsis: http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs17/i/2007/154/6/7/Fragile__by_cainadamsson.jpg |
19:51.29 | thul | http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs16/f/2007/214/2/e/Samoyed_II_by_cainadamsson.jpg <- is that approved ? :-P Ellipsis |
19:52.23 | Ellipsis | awwwwwwwwwwww |
19:52.26 | Ellipsis | melts |
19:53.05 | thul | :-D |
19:55.24 | Shefki | turns the temperature down so that Ellipsis goes solid again. |
19:57.23 | Obelixprime | what's a name of an addon that allows in game editing of lua files? |
19:57.35 | profalber1 | Obelixprime: wowlua |
19:57.43 | Ellipsis | you can't edit lua *files* but you can edit lua code and copy/paste it out into files |
19:57.59 | profalber1 | that's what i ment |
20:05.18 | Ellipsis | thul: I am prepared to offer you six cookies in exchange for that kitten |
20:06.04 | *** join/#wowace ngipon (n=ngipon@intranet.bomgar.com) |
20:07.05 | Esine | who needs cookies when you already have directories full of them :/ |
20:07.18 | Ellipsis | shh, I'm trying to negotiate here! |
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20:16.05 | thul | Ellipsis: well, you can have it :-D |
20:16.10 | thul | Ellipsis: for... TEN cookies |
20:16.19 | njal | gah |
20:16.53 | njal | why cant I do this: {L['Something that needs to be localized'] = 'foo' } |
20:17.19 | Pneumatus | do [L["Something"]] = "foo" |
20:17.26 | njal | aha |
20:17.28 | Ellipsis | thul: I'll consider 8. |
20:18.38 | thul | Ellipsis: 9 and a handjob and you're in. |
20:18.40 | Shefki | Don't waste your time she's not buyable with food, I tried for months. |
20:19.13 | Ellipsis | thul: deal. |
20:19.13 | thul | Shefki: she is trying to buy my KITTUNS |
20:19.18 | thul | Ellipsis: ok! |
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20:21.41 | Funkeh` | kittuns are foar laughing at nut fur sellin |
20:22.14 | thul | you should just see the sister of that one :-P |
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20:30.47 | AckisWork | kittens make good eatins |
20:31.45 | vithos | kitty burritos |
20:31.47 | Pneumatus | om nom nom nom |
20:32.26 | Iboong-Kenzo | give me please your guild tag from cowtip2.0! |
20:33.08 | Obelixprime | what? |
20:33.16 | Ellipsis | I'll trade you guild tags for kittens |
20:35.36 | AckisWork | I don't have guild tags !!!! |
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20:44.01 | Pkekyo| | COOKIES |
20:44.51 | Pkekyo| | plonks Ellipsis so hard she'll walk weird for a month. |
20:44.51 | Aii | o_o |
20:44.51 | Ellipsis | eesh |
20:44.53 | Aii | bleep. :P |
20:45.04 | ShaneSveller | wow |
20:45.08 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo|: why don't you plonk Aii instead? |
20:45.11 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis...youknowyouloveit |
20:45.14 | Ellipsis | I've had plenty of plonkings for one day |
20:45.16 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: out of range |
20:45.23 | Ellipsis | o.O; |
20:45.27 | Ellipsis | Aii, what planet are you on? |
20:45.47 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: I only range across continents, not outer space :P |
20:46.10 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo|: and across oceans, apparently :P |
20:46.35 | Ellipsis | explodes |
20:46.36 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: I figured that was given |
20:46.37 | Ellipsis | http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/images/2008/08/23/dsc_0038.jpg |
20:46.37 | thul | hmm, me and holy pala vs resto shaman and resto druid.. :-P i burned resto shaman in like 5 secs with AR and BF, but that fucking druid.. seriously, I dpsed my ass of, he healed 40k :-P |
20:46.42 | thul | but i got him :-D |
20:46.56 | Pkekyo| | picks up the pieces and locates needle and thread |
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20:49.45 | Aii | Ellipsis: what planet *am* I on, I think I'm lost :( |
20:50.32 | Pkekyo| | is this the right time to rock the uranus-pun from austin powers? :p |
20:50.52 | Ellipsis | if there were ever a right time, this might be it |
20:51.02 | AckisWork | om nom nom's a kitty. |
20:51.10 | Aii | no nomming kitties :X |
20:51.19 | Ellipsis | kitty is not for noms! |
20:51.21 | Ellipsis | is for cuddles! |
20:51.31 | AckisWork | burps. |
20:51.34 | AckisWork | kitty taste good |
20:51.40 | AckisWork | grabs another from the bbq. |
20:52.08 | AckisWork | hey did you pet lovers see the police/dog story? |
20:52.40 | Funkeh` | omnomnom |
20:52.49 | Funkeh` | good sandvich? |
20:52.57 | AckisWork | ohhh double kitty sammich |
20:53.16 | Gnarfoz | number of times that word was spelled correctly: 0 |
20:53.36 | AckisWork | I spelt it incorrectly on purpose :P |
20:54.01 | Gnarfoz | you don't say. |
20:54.14 | AckisWork | I do, and I did |
20:54.16 | Gnarfoz | AckisWork: how many exalted factions do you need for The Exalted? |
20:54.27 | AckisWork | 40 |
20:54.31 | Funkeh` | Gnarfoz, not a tf2 player eh |
20:54.40 | Gnarfoz | I know the ad. |
20:54.45 | Aii | ~whalepunt AckisWork |
20:54.45 | purl | ACTION looks onward as an everest-sized whale called Victor punts AckisWork across the Solar System |
20:54.47 | Gnarfoz | it's still incorrect? :p |
20:55.02 | Funkeh` | not really |
20:55.14 | Funkeh` | it's not a sandwitch, it's a sandvich! |
20:55.23 | Pkekyo| | IS TEH SAMMICH STFU |
20:55.34 | Pneumatus | +1 for sammich |
20:55.36 | Gnarfoz | sand witches? |
20:55.49 | Gnarfoz | cowers |
20:56.01 | EthanCentaurai | goes to the beach and eats all the sand which is there |
20:56.17 | Gnarfoz | I see what you did there. |
20:56.22 | Gnarfoz | (you ate the sand) |
20:56.28 | AckisWork | goes to the store and eats all teh kitties. |
20:56.40 | Pkekyo| | SAMMICH DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL |
20:56.57 | EthanCentaurai | cheers for AckisWork, as he is allergic to kitties :( |
20:57.22 | AckisWork | they can't affect your sinuses when they're in your stomach |
20:58.03 | EthanCentaurai | true true, but I still need to get near one to om nom nom it |
20:58.11 | Pkekyo| | seriously...the left side of my body is allergic to cats :/ |
20:58.34 | AckisWork | use a big stick... a poky stick! |
21:00.08 | Pkekyo| | sticks AckisWork's poky with a use |
21:00.48 | CIA-47 | 03zhinjio * r80948 10AckisRecipeList/ (12 files in 2 dirs): |
21:00.48 | CIA-47 | AckisRecipeList: |
21:00.49 | CIA-47 | - The spelling errors, they hurtses me |
21:00.54 | AckisWork | lol |
21:00.57 | Ellipsis | rofl, 12 files? |
21:01.02 | Ellipsis | pets Zhinjio |
21:01.03 | AckisWork | shhhhh :P |
21:01.12 | Zhinjio | he was very consistent with how he spelled incorrectly |
21:01.15 | Zhinjio | grins. |
21:01.20 | Ellipsis | bahaha |
21:01.23 | Ellipsis | brb diffing |
21:01.28 | AckisWork | oh God |
21:01.29 | AckisWork | no |
21:01.31 | AckisWork | please |
21:01.43 | AckisWork | I'll leave the kitties alone |
21:01.50 | EthanCentaurai | . o O { how to omnomnom kitties... mouth near nose... } |
21:02.26 | Ellipsis | Ackis: the kitties can't save you now! (because you ate them) |
21:02.32 | AckisWork | lol |
21:02.42 | Chompers | kittieskittieskittieskittieskitties |
21:02.46 | Chompers | mewmewmewmemwemwmew |
21:03.21 | EthanCentaurai | gives up an omnomnoms on a cookie instead |
21:03.55 | fewyn | So who here wants to help in upgrading my computer cheapely? |
21:05.02 | AckisWork | cia isn't broadcasting in wowace-cia btw |
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21:10.12 | Chompers | http://www.gameplayer.com.au/gp_documents/Best-PC-Money-Can-Buy.aspx?catid=News |
21:10.16 | Chompers | for you fewyn |
21:10.26 | CIA-47 | 03adirelle * r80949 10CastYeller/ (7 files): CastYeller: reviewed darkimakuni changes. |
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21:10.34 | fewyn | yea i read that Chompers =p |
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21:10.41 | fewyn | i need cheapely tho |
21:10.58 | fewyn | currently my mobo/cpu combo is my cockblock in my machine |
21:11.02 | fewyn | and i need to upgrade |
21:11.19 | Pkekyo| | AMERICANS SUCK |
21:11.26 | Pkekyo| | goddamn retarded arsehat export regulations |
21:11.38 | fewyn | what did we do now? |
21:12.14 | Pkekyo| | bastards won't sell me a goddamn 10cm picatinny attachment 'cause they're afraid I'll use it to kill americans |
21:12.21 | Ellipsis | well, wouldn't you? |
21:12.22 | thul | Ellipsis: want to be female-emo-picture judge? :-P |
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21:12.26 | Ellipsis | I know I would |
21:12.29 | Ellipsis | thul: er, sure |
21:12.30 | Ellipsis | o.O |
21:12.59 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: no, can't be arsed to spend the money to go there to kill the arsehats...not worth it...you're doing tremendous jobs at killing eachother off either way soeh :p |
21:13.05 | Zhinjio | hugs Ellipsis |
21:13.35 | Ellipsis | hugs Zhinjio |
21:13.53 | AckisWork | is Ellipsis emo? |
21:13.57 | CIA-47 | 03adirelle * r80950 10CastYeller/ (14 files in 2 dirs): CastYeller: moved locales into their own subfolder. |
21:14.44 | Ellipsis | am I? |
21:14.52 | AckisWork | I don't know I'm asking |
21:15.03 | Ellipsis | just because I'm a warlock doesn't make me emo |
21:15.10 | Pkekyo| | http://www.andysairsoft.co.uk/acatalog/Modularop.jpg you see those two tiny rails on either side of the platform? |
21:15.10 | Pkekyo| | the goddamn arsehat yanks are afraid I'll use one of them as a weapon |
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21:19.58 | thul | http://ulrikft.smugmug.com/photos/358975244_J9JEH-XL.jpg <- Ellipsis |
21:19.58 | thul | version one |
21:20.13 | thul | http://ulrikft.smugmug.com/photos/358975449_nEF7H-XL.jpg |
21:20.14 | thul | version two |
21:20.52 | Antiarc | Is there a way to get bullet lists in simplehtml? |
21:21.01 | Ellipsis | so I get to decide which one is moar emo? |
21:21.08 | nevcairiel | Antiarc: no, it only supports like 2 tags |
21:21.15 | Antiarc | Bah, figured. |
21:21.20 | Antiarc | Oh well, I can fake it. |
21:21.25 | Ellipsis | Antiarc: use texture links to make a bullet icon? :P |
21:21.29 | thul | Ellipsis: yeah :-D |
21:21.35 | Ellipsis | thul: #2 then |
21:21.41 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_SimpleHTML |
21:21.46 | thul | Ellipsis: ok |
21:21.48 | nevcairiel | you get some h# and p and a |
21:21.49 | nevcairiel | or so |
21:21.51 | nevcairiel | and img! |
21:23.01 | [SW]Dodge | hmmm i think there is still no official Parrot2 ? |
21:24.51 | Stanzilla | no |
21:25.14 | Gnarfoz | so what :XX |
21:28.37 | Zyndrome | fgdsfgds |
21:29.07 | evonder | anyone know if its possible to restrict perl to only reading the first line in a file? |
21:30.08 | Dashkal | evonder: that would be a function of the script you're running, not perl itself. |
21:31.01 | thul | !rating 1440 |
21:31.01 | Xinhuan | 1440 rating gives 330(5s), 291(3s) and 251(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
21:31.15 | thul | !rating 1550 |
21:31.15 | Xinhuan | 1550 rating gives 401(5s), 353(3s) and 305(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
21:32.53 | evonder | Dashkal, well here is the deal when exiting wow I got a bsod and every saved var file has a CRLF at the top making them garbage. I am trying to figure out a way to do them all at once rather than trying to fix thousands of files |
21:33.22 | evonder | so for example when testing on one file using: perl -i.orig -pe 's/\s+$1//g' Grid.lua |
21:34.13 | evonder | works fine and dandy for the whole file. How do I, if you know, restrict to only the first line? |
21:34.17 | Dashkal | What OS are you running under? |
21:34.32 | evonder | Vista |
21:34.37 | evonder | but |
21:34.57 | Dashkal | meh, think I'm over my head here. Failing to understand why a newline at the top of the file makes it garbage |
21:34.58 | evonder | funny thing, using my router/server to test this out |
21:35.43 | Dashkal | that said, you should be able to write a short perl script that only munges the first line and just spits the rest out unchanged. No idea how to do that on the command-line off the top of my head |
21:35.46 | evonder | go and add a new line to one of your saved variable files and see if it reads fine, I get errors and nothing loads |
21:37.19 | Dashkal | just a while(<STDIN>) loop with a control variable to skip the first line and a print $_ after that should do |
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21:44.05 | [SW]Dodge | sct from WAU is the same as the one from wowi right? |
21:44.16 | Antiarc | Hm. SimpleHTML doesn't seem to have a OnHyperLink handler. |
21:44.23 | Antiarc | Or do links not work at all? |
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21:45.40 | Antiarc | Oh |
21:45.41 | Antiarc | Nevermind |
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21:51.46 | Antiarc | okay, I'm stumped, how do I handle clicks of links in simplexml? |
21:52.22 | thul | !rating 1500 |
21:52.22 | Xinhuan | 1500 rating gives 344(5s), 302(3s) and 261(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
21:54.09 | winnetou- | could anybody tell me whether there's a version of UnitDebuff that works with unitGUIDs? |
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22:00.34 | Pkekyo| | also: cookies |
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22:15.01 | Zyndrome | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?quest=12225 |
22:15.04 | Zyndrome | best questline ever |
22:15.56 | Aeyan | I rather liked the 'Rescueing the Rescuers' quest. |
22:16.13 | Aeyan | You stroll around 'rescueing' people by ripping the spears out of them and killed them |
22:16.26 | Aeyan | Err, killing |
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22:20.38 | AckisWork | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5568166992&sid=1 |
22:25.35 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/flippy1.jpg |
22:25.36 | Antiarc | >_> |
22:25.57 | Dashkal | O.O |
22:26.40 | Ellipsis | nice spelling |
22:27.06 | Antiarc | I'm pretty pro |
22:27.16 | Ellipsis | yes, of course you are |
22:27.18 | Ellipsis | pats Antiarc |
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22:30.00 | Shefki | "learnt" ftw |
22:30.59 | SNiLD | hmm |
22:31.21 | SNiLD | can i discuss curseforge on this channel aswell? ;) |
22:31.28 | Shefki | Why not? |
22:31.40 | SNiLD | thanks |
22:31.58 | SNiLD | it's offering me "Healing Addons for Erus" as replacement of "quartz_target" :P |
22:32.37 | SNiLD | i should probably ignore the suggestion? |
22:33.24 | Daemona | haha reading the Demon changelog makes me chuckle |
22:33.34 | Daemona | reminds me of running ZA with my twink warlock last week |
22:33.54 | Daemona | searching like mad for curse of shadows ... DAMN i am AFFLICTION i even SPECCED for it, where did it go?! |
22:34.31 | Pkekyo| | STOP BEING SO GODDAMN PREGNANT |
22:35.18 | Daemona | guess as being german, i will never understand using pregnant in that context -.- |
22:36.53 | CIA-47 | 03Octane666 07WotLK * r80951 10SpamMeNot/ (10 files): |
22:36.53 | CIA-47 | SpamMeNot: |
22:36.53 | CIA-47 | - Lots of progress. Seems to be filtering spam. |
22:36.53 | CIA-47 | - AddOn's can register their event handlers with SpamMeNot to get it to filter their events, |
22:36.53 | CIA-47 | - Filter's WIM3's event handler |
22:36.54 | CIA-47 | - Loads of debug spam. Not really a feature - more of a warning lol. |
22:37.41 | Daemona | nevcairiel what is the state of stance bars for bt4 on beta? *tries to look really cute* |
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22:39.34 | CIA-47 | 03adirelle * r80952 10Yatba/Yatba.lua: |
22:39.34 | CIA-47 | Yatba: |
22:39.34 | CIA-47 | - some tweaks on option internals, |
22:39.34 | CIA-47 | - should better detect auras on player login and when disabling/enable Yatba or groups, |
22:39.34 | CIA-47 | - fixed a bug causing CallbackHandler errors. |
22:39.40 | sylvanaar | oh, boy, fun times ahead |
22:40.23 | CIA-47 | 03ckknight * r80953 10LibDogTag-Unit-3.0/Categories/Auras.lua: LibDogTag-Unit-3.0 - Change the update time for aura events to be longer. |
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22:43.59 | CIA-47 | 03adirelle * r80954 10CastYeller/CastYeller.lua: |
22:43.59 | CIA-47 | CastYeller: |
22:43.59 | CIA-47 | - tweaked GROUP channel, |
22:43.59 | CIA-47 | - register to spell events on enable. |
22:44.07 | Pkekyo| | Daemona: NOONE nunderstands it in that context |
22:46.04 | CIA-47 | 03sylvanaar 07WotLK-3.0 * r80955 10Prat/ (Prat-3.0.toc addon/addon.lua): |
22:46.04 | CIA-47 | Prat 3.0 (Dev): |
22:46.05 | CIA-47 | Development -> Alpha |
22:48.53 | CIA-47 | 03sylvanaar 07WotLK-3.0 * r80956 10Prat/ (. Prat-3.0.toc): |
22:48.53 | CIA-47 | Prat 3.0 (Alpha): |
22:48.53 | CIA-47 | One last toc change |
22:50.00 | CIA-47 | 03sylvanaar * r80957 10Prat-3.0/: |
22:50.00 | CIA-47 | Prat 3.0 (Alpha): |
22:50.00 | CIA-47 | Branch to trunk |
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22:54.00 | chazowitz | what gems would you put in http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31988 |
22:54.37 | Pkekyo| | +6str |
22:55.01 | [dRaCo] | stun resistance and resilience or resilience/stamina if you need blue |
22:57.29 | chazowitz | str O_o |
22:57.48 | Pkekyo| | chazowitz: go for it! |
22:58.18 | chazowitz | that doesn't even make sense as a joke |
22:59.14 | Pkekyo| | yes...yes it does |
23:06.08 | chazowitz | then why is nobody laughing? |
23:07.27 | Dashkal | I laughed on the inside |
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23:11.48 | *** mode/#wowace [+r] by t |
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23:12.09 | Camci | ...... |
23:12.16 | AKX | O_o |
23:12.18 | t | evening :) |
23:12.22 | AKX | Hello. |
23:12.24 | Ellipsis | thanks for the save |
23:12.36 | fewyn | fun |
23:12.57 | AKX | I find the fact I had a highlight from that spam more fun than... the.. er, non-fun of the spam. |
23:13.03 | fewyn | xD |
23:13.27 | Ellipsis | needs moar random nick AKX :P |
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23:13.30 | AKX | "<sGIZF> qLLuY0 AacX b2Akx9FGbk[...]" |
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23:13.43 | AKX | I hope t doesn't have "*t*" in highlights. :P |
23:13.48 | Dashkal | danke, t |
23:14.11 | t | I don't |
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23:24.01 | *** mode/#wowace [+r] by Dave2 |
23:24.19 | Pkekyo| | <PROTECTED> |
23:24.25 | Wobster | I have this uncomfortable feeling I'm in a Sesame Street sketch with those aliens |
23:24.29 | Wobster | woooop wooop |
23:25.35 | Wobster | work time =( |
23:28.04 | Zyndrome | ._. |
23:30.02 | Zyndrome | awesome |
23:30.06 | Zyndrome | I got ... 153 queries |
23:30.32 | Zyndrome | the bots are spamming in PM now |
23:31.05 | Zyndrome | or was.. |
23:31.52 | Adirelle | night |
23:33.08 | Pkekyo| | same...wth is going on? |
23:35.32 | Pkekyo| | is the r-tard world cup on tonight or something? |
23:36.09 | Ellipsis | no, that was last night |
23:36.14 | Ellipsis | on beta at least :d |
23:36.31 | smcn | i didn't get any q's, maybe they only target people with vowels in their nick |
23:36.51 | Dashkal | Ellipsis: Were you in howling fjord general last night? :p |
23:36.53 | AKX | Yeah, spamming in PM. |
23:37.21 | AKX | Meh. I'll be back later. |
23:37.40 | Ellipsis | Dashkal: I am everywhere. |
23:38.11 | Dashkal | set yourself +E if you're getting PM spammed |
23:38.16 | Dashkal | took a sec to find that |
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23:38.43 | Pkekyo| | Dashkal: howto? |
23:38.51 | Dashkal | <PROTECTED> |
23:39.03 | Pkekyo| | what does it do? |
23:39.04 | Dashkal | well, spell your name right |
23:39.13 | Dashkal | "This umode prevents users who are not identified to nickserv from sending you private messages. It is suggested that you might want to temporarily set this umode if you suffer problems with unidentified users sending you unwanted messages. " |
23:40.14 | Pkekyo| | fancypants |
23:41.17 | smcn | oh, there we go |
23:41.21 | smcn | yeah that's pretty annoying :P |
23:41.39 | Pkekyo| | oh well...felt popular for a while atleast :p |
23:41.39 | smcn | thankfully i have a script to close all queries |
23:42.16 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_082508_164143.jpg |
23:43.26 | Chompers | oooh Antiarcs pictures |
23:43.29 | Chompers | i like those |
23:44.43 | Dashkal | Antiarc: that right-click menu is full of win |
23:45.18 | Pkekyo| | tactfully plonks Ellipsis. Sideways. |
23:47.38 | Stanzilla | looks like Antiarc is coding a very useful addon |
23:48.15 | Ellipsis | I want it |
23:49.26 | Antiarc | I'm thinking I may make it a lib |
23:49.38 | Antiarc | So you can just feed it data and Flippy spits it out at you |
23:50.01 | Ackis | lib office assistant? |
23:50.06 | Stanzilla | How about fixing chatter first? :P |
23:50.26 | Ellipsis | nooo, flippy > chatter |
23:51.35 | Antiarc | LibFlippy-1.0 |
23:52.02 | Ellipsis | designs FlippySwatter |
23:52.12 | Antiarc | Flippy has a built-in murder button |
23:52.24 | Ellipsis | yeah but it would be so much cooler with a flyswatter-shaped cursor |
23:52.30 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/Flippy.zip if you want to try it out |
23:52.36 | Ackis | it reminds me of the paperclip from office |
23:52.44 | Antiarc | Requires Ace3, and you'll have to /run Flippy:TestNewText() to test it |
23:52.54 | Ellipsis | oh, requires ace3 :x |
23:52.58 | Antiarc | Ackis: You mean "Clippy"? |
23:53.17 | Antiarc | It's not heavily entrenced in Ace3 |
23:53.20 | Ackis | yup :P |
23:53.27 | Antiarc | And I'll be abstracting it if I make it a lib |
23:53.32 | Stanzilla | >.< |
23:53.35 | Antiarc | But I'm comfy with it and it lets me code quickly :P |
23:54.01 | Ellipsis | wasn't implying that, just that I don't have a copy of ace3 and I'm not interested in getting one just to play with flippy :P |
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23:55.57 | Ackis | forces Ace3 down Ellipsis' throat. |
23:56.14 | Ellipsis | you're not the first to try that, Ackis ;) |
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23:56.20 | Ackis | :O |
23:56.30 | Dashkal | .... |
23:56.54 | Pkekyo| | o.O' |
23:57.06 | Ellipsis | by which I am obviously referring to the fact that dominos uses ace3 instead of dongle...why, what did you think I meant? |
23:57.45 | Pkekyo| | I don't know, but dongle sounds kinky o.O' |
23:58.06 | Ackis | forces dongle down Ellipsis' throat. |
23:58.26 | Ellipsis | at least it's smaller. |
23:58.28 | Pkekyo| | PERVERTS |
23:58.30 | Ackis | lol |
23:58.59 | JerleMinara | you people sicken me |
23:59.10 | Ellipsis | what? I'm just discussing frameworks here |