IRC log for #wowace on 20080721

00:02.41CIA-4503Tunga * r78822 10BuffBot/BuffBot.lua:
00:02.41CIA-45BuffBot:
00:02.41CIA-45* Added basic intelligent targeting, currently bugged with offline raid members and similar.
00:03.00*** part/#wowace profalbert (n=profalbe@91-113-19-138.adsl.highway.telekom.at)
00:05.03copystringfiles.wowace.com lagging? WAU shows me last updated addon 16hours ago :\
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00:12.32CorverothWith AceTimer-3.0, if there anything I should be doing beyond simply cancelling timers when I'm done with them? My memory use is sky-high for some reason.
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00:14.15fewynwas there just a new version of wau pushed out?
00:15.34Stanzillayes
00:16.30fewynnice
00:17.53Dark_Elfis gonna miss files.wowace :( at first i didnt like it but after i figured out the numbering system, i kind of liked and was able to manage my downloads to whole numbers, some sites i notice that if they update a comment or something the files gets pushed to the top, making it harder to tell if the addon got changed or not
00:18.53AntiarcOkay, someone tell me how to open the talent frame via script
00:18.57AntiarcBecause I can't seem to do it
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00:23.35EllipsisLoadAddon("Blizzard_TalentUI")? :P
00:24.01AntiarcDid that already.
00:24.04AntiarcI can't get it to open.
00:24.33selckindoes anyone have some 2.4.3 combatlogs for me please? preferably full(ish) runs of bt/mh/sunwell ?
00:24.36EllipsisShowUIPanel(PlayerTalentFrame)?
00:24.47AntiarcAlso nonfunctional
00:25.03CIA-4503starlon * r78823 10Deadened/ (Deadened.toc Modules/oUF_Castbar.lua): Deadened: Add oUF_Castbar module
00:25.04EllipsisBlizzardSucks()?
00:25.16Ellipsisnote from wowwiki: always returns very true
00:25.19ThraeAlways good to log all your raids. "IT WAS HUNTARDR, HE AGGRO'D KAEL'THAS!"
00:35.12syerenHmm, is Nikkodemus around?
00:37.45Paenehm...does the zip script not run every 20 mins anymore?
00:38.13syerenHahaha.
00:38.16syerenAn Advert on Wow.
00:38.20syeren*WAU
00:38.23CIA-4503schelli * r78824 10GridAutoFrameSize/GridAutoFrameSize.lua: GridAutoFrameSize : new auto zones added
00:38.23syerenFor Mormon.com
00:39.54RaydenUniblizzard uploader can't work if wow isn't "installed" ?
00:40.09RaydenUniit can't find wow.exe
00:41.13XuerianRaydenUni: HKLM\Software\Blizzard Entertainment\InstallPath as path string
00:41.21RaydenUnihow do i set this?
00:41.32Xuerianrun regedit
00:41.39RaydenUnioh
00:42.19syerenhttp://fabrikate.org/nicead.jpg
00:42.21RaydenUniHKLM?
00:42.23RaydenUnii don't see this
00:42.24RaydenUnion vista
00:42.26syerenKaelten, get some new ads :p
00:42.32Xueriangreh
00:42.38Xuerianregedit32?
00:42.43Kaeltenlmao
00:42.47Kaeltenbetter than a trojan?
00:42.51RaydenUnii have regedit
00:42.58Xuerianah.
00:43.00RaydenUniit's all HKEY_* stuff
00:43.06Xuerianyeah hang on
00:43.10syerenI don't know Kaelten.
00:43.16RaydenUniHKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE ?
00:43.18syerenConsidering the destruction religion has brought to this world.
00:43.22XuerianNavigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Blizzard Entertainment\World of Warcraft (Or the lowest key that exists, likely SOFTWARE), left click on said key, new -> key, add the next (in that case Blizzard Entertainment), till you have SOFTWARE\Blizz... \World of...
00:43.28syerenI'd probably say a Trojan would be the better choice.
00:43.50Kaeltenna, thtats all self wrought over mans insecurity greed and fear.
00:44.06Xuerianthen select the World of Warcraft key on the left, right click in the right pane, new string, name it InstallPath, and put the path to your wow folder in it, with trailing \
00:44.33syerenMaybe so, but religion preys on such weakness in man :p
00:44.34YssarilKaelten: something is screwed up on files  http://files.wowace.com/ERRORS.txt
00:44.56Kaeltensomeone has an invalid external
00:46.43syerenKaelten, did I read something about a new wowace.com design being released soon earlier :P?
00:46.51RaydenUniXuerian the path includes wow.exe?
00:46.53Kaeltensyeren: august
00:47.00syerenCool cool.
00:47.07syerenThe home page is somewhat dated now :>
00:47.08XuerianRaydenUni: Just the folder, eg C:\Games\World of Warcraft\
00:47.17RaydenUnihmm
00:49.07RaydenUnino go
00:50.02RaydenUniHKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Blizzard Entertainment/World of Warcraft/"InstallPath" and the value for that is the directory
00:50.12RaydenUnialthough i have wow and BC installers downloaded
00:50.12RaydenUniinstalling those now
00:50.20RaydenUniwe'll see if i can just do that
00:51.13RaydenUnitheoretically if my laptop has all of the patches downloaded the desktop can leech those really fast...
00:51.30XuerianGreh.
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00:53.43PaeneRaydenUni...why not just copy all of the patches over then?
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00:53.47Paenevia network?
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00:54.52XuerianRaydenUni: Do you have a working copy of wow on the lappy?
00:55.50RaydenUniyeah
00:57.15XuerianRun regedit on the laptop, export the Blizzard Entertainment key from it, right click -> edit, change the  path, run it on the current computer. Copy the entire wow folder (or whatever you want) onto the current one
00:57.35XuerianTakes about 15-20 minutes on a 100mbit lan
00:58.12KaeltenAnyone figured out what project has the bad external?
00:59.22RaydenUnithe patches folder right?
00:59.29RaydenUnidesktop is downloading 2.3.0...
00:59.42XuerianEh... If it's already updated that far nevermind :p
00:59.51RaydenUnisays it's going to take 2 hours
00:59.58RaydenUniso much for uberfast leeching speed
01:00.20XuerianYou can just copy wow over wholesale from the laptop (Over wired lan preferably..) and play without doing anything else
01:01.09XuerianWhich, honestly, is how all games should be...
01:01.10Xuerian>_>
01:01.12RaydenUniyeah
01:01.13RaydenUnii did this
01:01.21RaydenUnibut then when the patch came out, couldn't install the patch
01:02.14XuerianExport/import the registry key then. You SHOULD be able to put the patch file in the wow folder and run it from there without it being installed, though
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01:03.38RaydenUnihmm
01:03.45RaydenUnicopied the patch folder and it still wants to download
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01:04.11RaydenUnioh
01:04.15RaydenUniit needs 2.0 to 2.3
01:04.16RaydenUnigrr
01:04.52XuerianYeah... just copy from the laptop, if it's updated
01:05.08RaydenUniis it only one file i need?
01:05.17RaydenUnior the whole 9 gig?
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01:06.15aestilvithos: link your armory for me?
01:06.17aestilhttp://armorylite.com/us/Darkspear/fdas
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01:06.57XuerianRaydenUni: You  need all the files in the wow folder sans patch* stuff and the Data folder. WTF if you want your settings, Interface if you want your addons
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01:07.59RaydenUniwhere is the link from the wow account page that lets you download the client?
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01:08.22Xuerianmrgh. http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/wowclient-download.html
01:08.56Xuerianor http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/bc-splash.htm
01:09.15RaydenUnii seem to remember there being wow/bc/ and a patch one
01:09.27XuerianHuh?
01:09.31Xuerianyou want the updater client?
01:09.46RaydenUnii downloaded the wow one and the bc installer
01:09.54RaydenUniso now i'm at ver 2.0.0 or something
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01:10.26XuerianHonestly.. unless you  have uber internet, just copy over the wow files/data folder
01:10.56RaydenUnihttps://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/download_wow.html
01:11.14RaydenUnioh
01:11.22RaydenUnibut that's a p2p as well
01:11.22RaydenUnigrr
01:11.44Trellcheck wowwiki.com - they have http links for patches
01:11.46Xueriansrsly -_-
01:11.48Xuerianhttp://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wowwiki.com%2FPatch_mirrors&ei=SuKDSNLNIqHAiAHEjZ3zDQ&usg=AFQjCNHeMGMXltbJyuBoe2ta1nzv_AXAdA&sig2=EO8EOE060RyTtI20AvyqJA
01:11.53Xuerianhat ju google
01:11.54Xuerianhat ju
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01:11.59Xuerianwww.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors
01:12.22Paeneping Kaelten
01:14.15aestillast time i used it, the mod that puts extra stat information on gear felt like it slowed my computer down a lot.
01:14.26aestilwas that my imagination, or is converting agi to show how much % crit etc an 'expensive' operation?
01:15.17cladhaireaestil: its not, at all
01:15.19Xuerianaestil: RatingBuster?
01:15.31XuerianIf anything, it's the old lib it uses
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01:15.49XuerianWhich has the ability to give any dev a headache in under a minute
01:16.30aestilok.  is it the only option for a mod like that then?
01:17.52XuerianUnless you just want rating conversions, yes
01:18.04Pkekyo|where the hell is Koeln?
01:19.19StanzillaGermany
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01:19.54Pkekyo|hmm
01:19.54Pkekyo|maybe I'll get my stuff tomorrow then :>
01:20.15Pkekyo|two days and a couple of hours from hong kong to koeln...not bad, really
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01:21.27XuerianThe hell did you order that was that far away? Some wow gold?
01:21.40Pkekyo|yes, I'm having it sent with UPS
01:22.09Pkekyo|:>
01:22.12XuerianWatch out, they bust packages all the time. Wouldn't want contraband like that spilling on the streets
01:22.29Pkekyo|I bought myself some fancypants toys, that's all...
01:22.29Pkekyo|I'm off though, g'nite
01:22.35Xuerian'night :P
01:26.46Arrowmastercan you detect current camera distance?
01:28.09ulicI think maybe GetCVar("variable")
01:28.17ulicdon't remember what the camera distance one is.
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01:28.40ulicoh cameraDistanceMax it looks
01:29.35ulic& cameraDistanceMaxFactor
01:29.37Arrowmasterno not the max the current
01:30.07ulicoh, I don't see anything in the list on wowwiki for that.
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01:31.39Arrowmasteri think there was a way to get the camera angle right?
01:33.00ulicbunch of camera stuff on wowwiki, none say angle, and most are like max & min and such.
01:33.12Arrowmasteri know
01:33.48ulicI haven't messed with that stuff much except to increase my max camera range
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01:35.10Arrowmasteri think dont think its a commmonly known of way
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01:39.28Arrowmasterckknight: didnt you do something with the current camera angle for cart3?
01:39.52ckknightno, sadly can't be done
01:40.46starlonGatherHud changes perspective based on camera pitch.
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01:43.16Brunersckknight: is cartographer3 out of beta?
01:43.29ckknightshrugs
01:43.32ckknightI dunno anymore
01:43.36ckknightI'm gonna say yes
01:43.50ckknightI just released 3.0.8
01:44.07Brunersi have been away from wow and anything about it for about 2 months now, so i havent really payed attention
01:44.14ckknightokay
01:44.16ckknightyes, then
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01:50.58Pkekyo|so much for getting some fucking sleep...people've been calling me non-stop since I went to bed
01:55.26Pkekyo|wtf, my package went from Koeln at 1.51AM, arrived in sweden at 3.02AM, then it left Koeln again at 5.00AM?!
01:55.55Pkekyo|congrats on making fuck-all sense, UPS
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02:02.08aestil.9 is the one that i'm excited about
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02:02.18Pkekyo|aestil: err?
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02:03.10Myakisbest tooltip addon^^?
02:03.44Pkekyo|not sure it's the best, but CowTip is highly configurable atleast
02:03.48ulicI use CowTip
02:04.00Myakiskk
02:05.59Dark_Elfuse to like these cool tooltips, then i got in a battle and the darn things kept interferring with my targetting lol
02:07.05CodayusRandom comment:  Half the comments on the Plans for the Future thread are so retarded they make my teeth hurt.
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02:07.30pastamancerCodayus: so true
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02:11.13CodayusI can't quite put my finger on what type of comment annoys me the most.  The people who don't read the first post, leap to incorrect conclusions, and then complain about them are definetely in the running though.  :-/
02:12.25pastamancerI'd lean towards the people who have no idea what bandwidth costs
02:12.35CodayusThe "dude, wowace needs money to run?!  You shoulda told me, I'd have chipped in a dollar!" posts are pretty funny though.  :-)
02:12.35pastamancerand who want everything on the internet for free
02:12.42pastamancerhaha seriously
02:12.51Codayus....heh, jinx.
02:13.13Pkekyo|pastamancer: nothing wrong with wanting everything for free...expecting it, on the other hand...
02:13.14Dark_Elfshame the ads didnt work
02:13.25pastamancerI'd guess wowace takes at least $5k US a month
02:13.31pastamanceror rather costs
02:13.37CodayusI *DO* have an idea what bandwidth costs, and I had no idea wowace was doing over 30 tb a month.
02:14.00AntiarcI like the "wtf, I'm switchign to wowmatrix" comments
02:14.00Dark_Elfblames self for downloading so much
02:14.02AntiarcThose are awesome.
02:14.10pastamanceryeah, the poor server that files.wowace is on is a trooper
02:14.21Pkekyo|Antiarc: how do you like my comment?
02:14.26AntiarcWhich?
02:14.30Pkekyo|this one: wtf is going on? :P
02:14.31pastamancerwe went from apache to lighttpd to ngnix
02:15.07Codayus$5k seems...low to me, because at the scale *I* deal with you can't get bandwidth nearly that cheap.  Wowace is...a hell of a lot bigger than anything I have experience with though.  :-p
02:15.19Antiarcnginx is awesome btw
02:15.28pastamancerI haven't had anything close to real numbers since a year ago
02:15.38Pkekyo|kaiden touches himself at night
02:15.51pastamancerso it might have been $5k-ish last year, I wouldn't be surprised if it was double or triple that now
02:15.54Pkekyo|is he even here? no fun saying it if he's not :<
02:16.00Dark_Elfi hope wowace keeps at least the sort feature for its downloads, so ya can sort by newest, oldest, alphabetical, etc i kind of liked that feature
02:16.04pastamancermore fun if you spell his name right :p
02:16.07CodayusSounds fair.
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02:16.12ulicAntiarc: I'm trying to use LibBars and get a bar to fill rather than empty.  I've tried passing true & false to SetFill, but it doesn't seem to have any effect.
02:16.15daemoenhey guys, anyone here pretty familiar with bt3?
02:16.22Antiarcsec, felmyst
02:16.25AntiarcI'll check the api in a sec
02:16.36Pkekyo|pastamancer: I used tab completion, so it's right according to his current displayed nick
02:16.37daemoenno idea what i managed to do, but somehow, bar4 and 1 are now linked together
02:16.53daemoenwhen i assign a skill on bar4, it gets assigned to the same slot on bar1, same for bar1 to bar4 linking
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02:17.12Pkekyo|daemoen: you screwed something up with bar paging
02:17.13CodayusFunny how one of the most heated debates in the thread was over...forum software.
02:17.17pastamancerPkekyo|: did you mean Kaelten?
02:18.06Pkekyo|pastamancer: I don't know which one is which...was talking with both last night so it got a bit confusing...either way, one or more of them touch themselves at night :p
02:18.14pastamancerlol
02:18.23Codayus*I* heard they touch each other at night.
02:18.26CodayusTekkub told me.
02:18.36Antiarculic: true/false should be the right params
02:18.43AntiarcBut I'd have to test to see why it's not working
02:18.45pastamancerfrom an admin standpoint, I'm not a huge fan of smf... haven't adminned vb though
02:18.57Pkekyo|I concur with Codayus
02:19.06CodayusI run a couple of SMF forums.  They're......alright.
02:19.06AntiarcVB is pretty decent
02:19.13Tekkubwho the what now?
02:19.37ulicI should be able to SetFill for the group right?
02:19.48AntiarcYup
02:19.49CodayusHaven't tried running vb.  But EJ uses VB, and those are some really really nicely run forums.
02:19.57Pkekyo|Tekkub: you touched the kaiden that told kaelten at night
02:20.00Pkekyo|...or something..
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02:20.10Tekkubwut
02:20.12ulicdoesn't seem to work for me.  I'll move, as I have plenty more to do, and worry about that later.
02:20.13Pkekyo|.wtb more HBO specials!
02:20.15AiianeWell... in the end it's really more about how much effort you put into to the forum
02:20.47AiianeSMF, vB, IPB all have their nice aspects and their irks
02:20.58CodayusAiiane: Well, yeah.  Assuming your forum software of choice has the basic features you want.  I'm not sure I've ever seen a function phpBB forum...
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02:21.06CodayusEr, functioning.
02:21.26Pkekyo|Tekkub: something about touching and talking atleast
02:21.34Aiiane3.0 improved phpbb somewhat in that regard
02:21.44Aiianehavent had enough chance to play around with it though
02:21.56pastamancerphpbb doesn't have the best security record :(
02:22.13daemoenty Pkekyo
02:22.15daemoenworked perfect
02:22.16Aiianethis is true
02:22.16CodayusSo I've heard...but...  *shrug*  For whatever reason, every forum I hang out at is either SMF or VB...
02:22.21daemoenbar1s had become enabled
02:22.45Pkekyo|anyone know wtf daemoen is talking about?
02:23.11ulicjust take the thanks and run
02:23.12CodayusBartender?  Maybe?
02:23.20Pkekyo|Codayus: and? :P
02:23.26Codayus....and uh...bars!
02:23.33Pkekyo|has no idea what's going on
02:23.50CodayusI'll mark that down as "no change" then, shall I?
02:23.52Pkekyo|bud why'd he thank me? what'd I do? :p
02:23.56Pkekyo|you do that
02:24.09MyakisGuys, is there an ACE addon like QuestHelper?
02:24.12Pkekyo|speaking of no change...or rather...speaking of change; WHY THE HELL IS MY PACKAGE BACK IN KOELN?!
02:24.34Stanzillaomg ACE
02:24.35CodayusIt's Ace, not ACE.  And I dunno, what the hell is QuestHelper?
02:24.47CodayusSounds like a crappy addon, just based on the name.
02:25.02Pkekyo|he's looking for LightHeaded, I guess...
02:25.04Tekkubit's this big monster addon that supposedly helps yo uquest
02:25.06Myakisno, questhelper is rather nice ;) but a memoryhog
02:25.39CodayusThat reminds me, I've come to the conlusion that TourGuide may be the coolest addon ever written.
02:26.54Pkekyo|wth is TG?
02:26.56Dark_Elfyeah it even got coverage on wowinsider as a questhelper alternative
02:27.18TekkubI still say the point when you need to provide a throttle setting for your addon, that's when you've gone too far and are beyond any point of recovery
02:27.31CodayusHeh
02:27.52Tekkubyea he wanted to push the article out on patch day since QH broke to "kick them while they're down"
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02:28.06TekkubI even took screenies for him cause it was such a great idea
02:28.10Codayus*snicker*
02:28.20Dark_Elfhaha
02:28.21Tekkubyes, "Bear" the bear druid is my tauren :)
02:28.43Codayus.....no comment.
02:28.56Tekkubit's hard to resist going to the orgy AH to dance and yell "Look it's a dancing Bear!"
02:29.27CodayusYes, I can see how it would be...  ...for some people.  :-)
02:30.31Pkekyo|not quite right in the head arew e, Tekkub?
02:32.15CodayusA matter of perspective, I suspect...
02:32.37CodayusI mean, *I* have never had much fun with the names of any of my characters...
02:33.14Dark_Elfi do mostly questing with my toons, but the one thing i havent found in the quest addons is one that can tell ya when for example ya got all the Teldrassil quests completed, so ya can move on to auberdine etc
02:33.14Pkekyo|seeing as my main's name translates into 'shit' in certain languages, I've had a few interesting incidents :p
02:34.58CodayusDark_Elf: Two comments.  1)  You don't really want to complete ALL the quests in a zone; you'll outlevel the zone too fast now.  2)  TourGuide.
02:35.18Groktarwtb dead muru
02:35.31Groktarentropius 20% on our second attempt tonight
02:35.34Pkekyo|Groktar: WTS screenie of it
02:35.42Groktarhaha
02:35.52Pkekyo|500g :p
02:36.09Groktari'm dpsing on my warrior
02:36.14Groktardoing like 1500dps on a side
02:36.15Groktarsad
02:36.29Groktarour ms warrior is out today ><
02:36.29Dark_Elfwell the only reason is im taking my character to all 4  alliance towns and i just dont know what i got completed and how much is left. gets confusing with 10 characters lol
02:36.51Pkekyo|<PROTECTED>
02:37.05Pkekyo|Groktar: server? your name seems far too familiar
02:37.37Groktardaggerspine
02:37.42Groktarus
02:38.02Pkekyo|gotta know the name from somewhere else then
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02:39.39TekkubPkekyo|, yea I have one that name translate rougly into penis of the bear
02:39.47Tekkubnoone's said anything
02:40.35Pkekyo|Tekkub: what language? :p
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02:40.43TekkubJP
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02:40.50Pkekyo|kek
02:41.06RaydenUnii copied my mods into my new wow install and it lost all the settings?
02:41.10RaydenUnii thought it remembered them
02:41.20TekkubRaydenUni, WTF
02:41.21AntiarcNot if you didn't copy your WTF folder
02:42.00RaydenUnioh
02:42.01RaydenUnigrr
02:43.05RaydenUniat least that means i do'nt have to reset everything
02:43.10RaydenUnican't seem to get bartender to work
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02:44.19Antiarcyou aren't copying to beta are you?
02:45.40RaydenUnino
02:45.43RaydenUninew desktop install
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02:46.09RaydenUnibut i'm int he middle of ZA
02:46.13RaydenUniso my bars being all messed up sucks
02:46.20Groktarso far we've made it to p2 every attempt except for the one a tank dc'd tonight
02:46.23Groktarspits on mu'ru
02:46.46ThraeRaydenUni: It's generally not a good idea to raid RIGHT after you do a reinstallation of WoW and add mods into the mix.
02:47.22Tekkubanyone actually IN the beta yet and can get me something?
02:47.24RaydenUni:D
02:47.28RaydenUniThrae even better
02:47.36SeerahQuestion: using Ace3-Config, is there any reason why a slider with a positive min number behaves, but one with a negative min wigs out?
02:48.02RaydenUnikilled 2 bosses on my laptop
02:48.02Aiianedefine 'wigs out'
02:48.07RaydenUniTHEN switched to my new desktop install
02:48.07RaydenUni:D
02:48.20Tekkubthinks cair should send the first batch
02:48.22Aiianeso swap back to your laptop :P
02:48.35ThraeRaydenUni: Copy your WTF folder from your laptop and log out and back in
02:49.04Seerahtek: I think kd3 is in it
02:49.09RaydenUniwill do before the lynx boss
02:49.13TekkubI KNOW KD3 is
02:49.15selckinlogout before you copy
02:49.21Tekkubthe dick, I hate himher
02:52.18ResaI'm in beta....
02:52.41Resawhatcha need?
02:53.41Tekkuba raw profession link
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02:53.48Tekkubhttp://www.wowinsider.com/2008/07/20/tradeskill-links-coming-in-wrath
02:54.00TekkubI suspect I already know the format, but I want to confirm
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02:55.59RaydenUniahhh
02:56.00RaydenUnithere we go
02:56.03RaydenUnifeels like home
02:58.10selckinwhere can i find a list of languages wow exists in?
02:59.37selckinnm
03:00.10AntiarcTekkub: I took that screenshot :P
03:00.13AntiarcTekkub: It's also encoded
03:00.15AntiarcLet me get my copy
03:00.19AntiarcI discovered that today :P
03:00.29Tekkub"encoded"?
03:00.35Antiarc^^cffffd000^^Htrade:51313:375:450:5544C:hooooooooookoooooooomGWRcoNoKlg<kgoOoEP6880000l11^^h[Enchanting]^^h^^r 5
03:00.37Antiarc^^ = |
03:01.01Tekkubhrm
03:01.29Tekkubwonder if there's UI code that decodes that somewhere
03:01.37AntiarcI looked, didn't see it
03:01.38kd3here's first aid with everything up to runecloth bandage: |cffffd000|Htrade:3273:270:300:5774C:m;7Pn?|h[First Aid]|h|r
03:01.46AntiarcThe function to build that link is in the API, not the UI
03:02.36Seerahso... anyone have any hints for me on why, when I have a negative min in an AceConfig range slider, the slider stays glued to the left side and won't move? :(
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03:04.54Antiarchttp://wow.tachyonsix.com/beta/Blizzard Interface Data (enUS).zip
03:04.56AntiarcForgive the spaces
03:05.02AntiarcBut that's the current woltk UI extract
03:05.10Tekkubso hrm... it looks like |c<color>|Htrade:<spellid>:<skill>:<maxskill>:<something>C:<encoded bits>
03:05.19kd3oh crap... interface diffs
03:05.22kd3knew I was forgetting something
03:05.36Tekkubwhat's the build number there anti? :)
03:05.42Antiarcsec
03:05.44Tekkuband you forgot the addons
03:05.54Tekkuboh no, one level in
03:05.54Tekkubduh
03:05.57Antiarcfelmyst
03:06.00kd3cur build's 8634
03:06.53TekkubI only see TradeSkillUI... they get rid of craftUI finally?
03:07.14kd3yes
03:07.18Diaowiat
03:07.24Diaothey're making enchanting sellable on ah?
03:07.26Tekkubslashdance
03:07.30Diaoor is that comment on wowinsider wrong
03:07.43kd3I've seen links to chanting scrolls.
03:07.49kd3remember, we're still in beta, things can and will change
03:07.53AntiarcThey are
03:07.57AntiarcInscribers make scrolls
03:07.58Diaothat's awesome
03:08.04Antiarcenchanters enchant the scroll
03:08.10Diaoso enchanting will complement inscribing?
03:08.23AntiarcYes
03:08.27AntiarcWell, sorta
03:08.34Diaoi saw a cool inscribing pattern
03:08.41Diaoyou can make hearth scrolls!
03:08.45Diaoi wonder what the cooldown on them is
03:10.12Antiarcherb is the complement to inscription
03:10.19AntiarcBut it will work well with enchanting
03:11.15AntiarcYou just need an inscriber to feed you parchment
03:11.18AntiarcAnd you're gravy
03:11.24Diaomeh screw herbing
03:11.26Diaogathering professions suck
03:11.29Tenchworksoh man more reason to level up my farming mage
03:11.42AntiarcIt makes me kinda sad
03:11.42Diaoi think i'll drop bs and pick up inscription on my warrior
03:11.42AntiarcEnchanting gets awesome BOP wands
03:11.45AntiarcExcept I'm a rogue
03:11.47Diaobs gets nothing cool
03:11.48AntiarcI've had enchanting since day 1
03:11.49Diaoat all.
03:11.51Tenchworksherbalist/miner so gonna be making tons of cash at 80
03:11.52AntiarcI have all kinds of patterns
03:12.01AntiarcAnd I don't want to drop enchanting to be forced to min-max for raids.
03:12.01Diaoyeah i have basically every ench recipe in the game and i'm a warrior
03:12.16Diaoisn't enchanting part of min-maxing for raids?
03:12.21Diaofor ring enchs :o
03:12.25AntiarcWell
03:12.28AntiarcYou have leatherworking
03:12.30AntiarcErr
03:12.32AntiarcSkinning
03:12.36AntiarcWhich is now +25 crit rating
03:12.44Diaowtf
03:12.45AntiarcWhich seems like it'd be more beneficial
03:12.50Diao25 crit rating for just being a skinner?
03:12.52AntiarcAnd mining gets +35 stamina
03:12.53AntiarcYes
03:13.01Diaothat's messed up
03:13.08Diaowhy would you get random stats for being a profession
03:13.22Antiarc"Master of Anatomy" for skinning
03:13.22cladhairewhy not?
03:13.23Aiianeask enchanters :P
03:13.26vithosbecause tailors don't have to have "undressing" as a profession
03:13.27AntiarcYou skinned a lot, you know the weak points, etc
03:13.28Aiianethat's basically what we have
03:13.40Diaono
03:13.45Diaobecause you can enchant your rings and drop enchanting
03:13.48Diaoand still have the bonus :P
03:13.49AntiarcMining is "All that pick-swinging has made you extra tough, have 35 stam"
03:13.59cladhaireI think they're fun
03:14.03Aiianesure, if it's 6months till the next expansion
03:14.04AntiarcI like them too
03:14.06cladhairejust a bit of flavor
03:14.07Aiianeand thus you'll never upgrade your rings
03:14.09Tenchworksany word on what herbalism gets?
03:14.11AntiarcI'm just sad that enchanting's BOPs are so caster-heavy
03:14.13AntiarcNone yet
03:14.18Diaouh
03:14.25Diaoisn't there a new AP ench for rings
03:14.29AntiarcNot that I saw
03:14.31Diaoi remember seeing something like that
03:14.33AntiarcMaybe though
03:14.37AntiarcBut I mean the wands
03:14.38Diaoalso
03:14.40AntiarcCrafted crap
03:14.41Diaodid stam get devalued again
03:14.42Aiianewell, even if not
03:14.47AntiarcNo
03:14.48Aiianestats to rings is still decent
03:14.55Diaobecause currently
03:14.59Diaoyou get a 2:3 ratio
03:15.01Diaoof other stats to stam
03:15.04Diaoon epic gems
03:15.14Diaobut the new gem is a 5:9 ratio
03:15.19Diaowhich is way better
03:15.29Aiianeis it a regular gem, or a bop gem?
03:15.42Diaowell
03:15.44Diaoit's 50ap bop
03:15.48Diaovs 45 stam bop
03:15.52Diao50 ap -> 25 str conversion
03:16.01Aiianebop gems dont really count, they have odd numbers
03:16.56Groktarentropius 16%
03:16.57Groktar><
03:17.14Diaoeven so
03:18.11Tekkub<OnMouseWheel>
03:18.12Tekkubreturn;
03:18.12Tekkub</OnMouseWheel>
03:18.18Tekkubepic blizzard failure
03:18.21Diaothe current epic gems only give 18 stam
03:18.47KriLL3someone in here told me how to use dogtags in Pitbull to show an icon with the player's main talent, I forgot to write it down, again please? :)
03:18.47Diaovs 24 ap, which is a 2:3 conversion still
03:18.55Diao[talentspec] or uh
03:18.58Diaosomething else i forget
03:19.04Diaodidn't know there was an icon for it too though
03:19.27KriLL3is there a page/site that lists this stuff? looking on wowace but it's very limited
03:20.00Seerahalright, screw it...  I'll just anchor to the bottom left and only have positive values ><
03:20.01Aiiane<PROTECTED>
03:20.02Aiiane?
03:20.08KriLL3?
03:20.14Aiianetype that ingame
03:20.24aestilsounds like LW is going to continue to be the dps raiding proffesion of choice.
03:21.16aestilAlong with the usual Mob Name and Health, I want a nameplate mod that shows mob health, current/total and % as well as threat value and threat as a % of the mobs health.  It would change the name plate in some way to indicate that you've reached a target %.
03:21.24Hjalteaestil: What about tinnitus?
03:21.32Tekkubwell damnit, I can't find anywhere where trade link clicks are handled
03:21.49aestili'm not familiar with that.
03:22.15KriLL3Aiiane: all I find in there shows a text not an icon
03:22.36Aiianei wasnt aware of an icon anyways :P
03:22.38aestilHjalte: where would i find that?
03:23.14Hjalteaestil: I mean for LW to be the dps raiding prof, tinnitus would get in the way :)
03:23.27aestiltinnitus?
03:23.40Tekkubtittius?
03:23.49aestili'm confused.
03:24.18aestilanways, i think what i want to do with the threat information can be accomplished
03:25.55Hjalteaestil: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=51120
03:26.41aestilHjalte: ah, yes, but if i have a flat crit rating bonus just for being a LW, then, its still worth having.
03:27.08Hjalteaestil: Oh, what's that?
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03:27.27aestilantiarc is saying that you get 25 crit rating or something like that for being LW
03:27.32AntiarcSkinning
03:29.08KriLL3so no one knows how to display an icon with your target's main talent tree?
03:29.26AntiarcTekkub: What are you planning to do with the trade links?
03:29.31*** mode/#wowace [+v Quaiche] by ChanServ
03:29.38Tekkubwhat do you think? cache them!
03:29.42AntiarcHah
03:29.45AntiarcGood plan
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03:29.58AntiarcI should cache them in chatter >_>
03:30.00Tekkuband probably make some nice guild addon channel auto-trading
03:30.15AntiarcIf you can figure out how to index them
03:30.22AntiarcSo I can search for someone with a specific pattern
03:30.24AntiarcThat would be uberhot
03:30.28Tekkubthe problem, of course, is querying that list of tradeskills for who can make the item you want
03:30.54Tekkubwe'll see in a week or so, it's the first thing I'll hit after I get my addons all working
03:31.01AntiarcNice :D
03:31.05AntiarcKeep me posted, I'm very interested
03:31.22Tekkubhopefully I can bribe slow ken into giving us a docoder or at least a query function
03:31.43AntiarcI suspect there's a decoder somewhere
03:31.47TekkubI don't want to have to open the tradeskill(If I even can) and cache the item/spell ids
03:31.51Antiarcyeah
03:31.59TekkubI can't even find where the link click is handled
03:32.06AntiarcI couldn't either :(
03:32.39Tekkubmight help to save a few links as new recipes are learned and see if we can reveng it
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03:38.30AntiarcShouldn't be hard with learner recipes
03:38.35AntiarcI suspect it's just base X encoded
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03:40.57AntiarcI've noted a-z, A-Z, 0-9, _, <
03:41.39AntiarcLOTS of lowercase "o"
03:41.54AntiarcWhich says "padding/buffer/zero"
03:43.50Antiarc|cffffd000|Htrade:33359:375:375:5544C:fOkgoookoomKOoooog0000<oO|h[Cooking]|h|r - that's maxed cooking, nearly all recipes
03:44.20Antiarc|cffffd000|Htrade:51313:375:450:5544C:hooooooooookoooooooomGWRcoNoKlg<kgoOoEP6880000l11|h[Enchanting]|h|r - again, 375, lots of recipes
03:46.00KriLL3does anyone know of an addon that lets you add icons representing your target's main talent tree to the target frame?
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03:46.03Poul|Raiderhello
03:46.38Poul|Raiderany good place to see what changed on the LUA API etc with wotlk?
03:46.46AntiarcNot yet
03:46.49AntiarcBut I need to start a page
03:46.52AntiarcBecause I've found a few
03:46.57AntiarcThere's a thread in the UI forums
03:47.00AntiarcBut it's very incomplete
03:47.05Poul|Raideri can just say alot of my addons broke :D
03:47.11Poul|Raiderso something changed atleast
03:47.15AntiarcYou can't really port them over wholesale
03:47.18AntiarcLots of things changed
03:47.21Poul|Raidernaa i know :)
03:47.33KriLL3meaning most older ace addons will be history?
03:47.34Poul|Raiderbut i was more interesting in seeing the changes, and not porting
03:47.52Poul|Raiderim sure alot of people here will do a good job at porting em
03:48.22Garoun|LoupanaThe main thing is giving full, good bug reports if you want something fixed :)
03:48.31Garoun|Loupananot just... this doesn't work
03:48.32Poul|Raiderbut just waiting for the day when they unluck the chars
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03:49.26Poul|Raiderye ye Garoun|Loupana i know
03:49.58Poul|Raiderbut im not using that many addons etc, was hoping to find a post about changes
03:50.06Poul|Raidersee if there was anything gamebreaking
03:50.43Poul|Raiderspeaking of gamebreaking, i just heard from a friend that he got an addon that makes it posible to see mediaplayer within wow or well, make you see the mediaplayer behind wow?
03:51.17Poul|Raideri must admit i didnt belive him, but he was so sure he was right that i got curius
03:51.23HjalteJust have media player stay on top and play wow in windowed mode.
03:51.30Shirik^
03:51.36Shirikit is theoretically possible to make a media player in WoW
03:51.40Shirikit's not entirely useful though
03:51.42Poul|RaiderHjalte, and that dont realy answer the question :D
03:51.57Shirikhowever, addons can have zero interaction with the outside world
03:51.57Shirikperiod
03:52.03Poul|Raideragree
03:52.19Poul|Raiderbut what he said it was doing was just making a black box that made him see the destop behind wow
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03:52.38Arrowmasterlol old trick
03:52.39Shirikuh, no. You can't get behind WorldFrame
03:52.43ShirikArrowmaster: ?
03:52.44KriLL3does anyone know of an addon that lets you add an icon representing your target's main talent tree to the target frame?
03:52.54Poul|Raiderso Arrowmaster, whats the deal :)
03:52.56ShirikI'm confused now
03:53.05Poul|Raider:D
03:53.25ArrowmasterShirik: remember the dvd player software when the ability to play dvds on your desktop?
03:53.41Shirikno
03:53.47Arrowmasterlike behind the icons
03:54.26Arrowmastersome rendering methods just draw the video ontop of a certain preset color
03:54.57Poul|Raiderso the addon just made abox with a color that the player could draw ontop?
03:55.15Arrowmasterif you try to take a screenshot with printscreen in those render modes you just got a solid colored box
03:55.20Arrowmasterin place of the video
03:55.28Arrowmasteryeah the addon just makes a colored box
03:55.31Poul|Raiderye understandable
03:55.36Poul|Raideroki
03:55.43selckinyou can draw anything on top of opengl/directx output
03:55.46Arrowmasterit just has to be the right color and the right place
03:56.00selckinlike teamspeak names
03:56.02ShirikI see Arrowmaster
03:56.03Arrowmasterselckin: yeah this is super old trick though before overlays
03:56.09Poul|Raideryou know anything about the methods used for the drawing ontop of a colored box
03:56.15Arrowmasterlike from the windows 98/me days
03:56.29Poul|Raideri wouldnt mind maknig my self alittle tool that could do that with whatever i wanted in my wow :D
03:56.41Antiarchttp://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API_(Changes_from_2.4.3_to_3.0)
03:56.43Arrowmasternot sure what render modes do it
03:56.44AntiarcFor future reference
03:57.02selckinshouldn't be hard to find in google
03:57.03Arrowmasterbut mediaplayerclassic has a lot of options for render modes you could try
03:57.15selckindoes anyone have some 2.4.3 combatlogs for me please? preferably full(ish) runs of bt/mh/sunwell ?
03:57.16Poul|Raidercould be nice if you could make it draw a little browser ontop of a box inside wow :D
03:57.32selckinwindowed mode + always on top
03:57.36selckin:x
03:57.37ArrowmasterPoul|Raider: you can do that with directx overlays
03:57.47RaydenUnihmm
03:57.48Poul|Raideroki, might take a look into that
03:57.51Arrowmasterwas even a recent article on one in pcgamer
03:58.00Poul|Raiderselckin, i dont want your haxes :D
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03:58.07selckinstill can't interact with it normally, so no that usefull
03:58.17Arrowmasteralthough that exact one i tried a year ago and it seriously made my system unstable since it was just out of closed alpha
03:58.21RaydenUnijan'alai with 4 druids
03:58.23selckinmy suggestions are the least hackish
03:58.26RaydenUni3 feral and 1 resto
03:58.27RaydenUniheh
03:58.39RaydenUnino aoe
03:58.59selckinPoul|Raider: anyway, screw you to
03:59.07Poul|Raider:D
03:59.37Poul|Raiderwasent trying to insult you :)
04:00.36Arrowmasterwww.playxpert.com was the one i was talking about for overlays
04:00.42Poul|Raideroki
04:01.13Arrowmastermake a system restore point before installing it
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04:01.41Arrowmasterit overwrote some of my graphics drivers a year ago when i tried it
04:01.46Arrowmasterno clue if it still does
04:01.53Poul|Raideroki, will remember for when trying it out
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04:02.27Arrowmasteri wasnt really impressed with the quality of it but its the only game in town if you know what i mean
04:03.05Arrowmasteri seriously know of no other projects trying to use directx overlays to do anything similair
04:05.51RaydenUnirofl
04:05.57RaydenUnipaladin tank couldn't killed the hatcher guy
04:06.01RaydenUniso we had about 30 dragonhawks
04:06.28Garoun|Loupanayou never leave your tank to kill the hatcher :/
04:06.53selckinyou spawn the entire side anyway with a paladin tank
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04:07.46RaydenUniwe ahve no aoe
04:07.53Arrowmasterwe poped all eggs in one set of adds once i think
04:07.57RaydenUnino mage no warlock
04:08.00RaydenUnijust a hunter
04:08.05AntiarcTekkub: Clue for you
04:08.07Antiarc|cffffd000|Htrade:%d:%d:%d:%I64X:
04:08.09AntiarcFound that in Wow.exe
04:08.35Arrowmasterhexeditor ftw
04:10.03selckinwhats the I mod again?
04:10.06selckinX is hex :\
04:12.56Shiriklua> string.format("%I64X", 1)
04:12.57lua_botShirik: luabot:1: invalid option '%I' to 'format'
04:13.06Shirikprobably pulled over from 5.0
04:13.11Shirikor was it lua 4...
04:13.12ShirikI forget
04:13.32Paenebah...files.wowace.com needs to update!
04:14.00Lukianwe've successfully popped and killed all the adds at 35% a couple times :D
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04:18.56AntiarcI64X is a longlong in hex
04:21.09RaydenUniblast
04:21.16RaydenUniwiped on jan'alai and then 2 had to go
04:21.18RaydenUnihe is a fun fight
04:21.59Antiarc"The "I64" specifier tells the compiler the number is a 64-bit integer (this also works for "long" integers by specifying "I32", for 32-bit integers). Adding the "X" says the integer is outputted as an unsigned hexadecimal integer with capital letters."
04:23.25Xinhuanwtb ability to fall asleep on the bed
04:28.17RaydenUnianything worth buying for a feral druid with 60 badges?
04:28.20RaydenUnior should i wait until i have 100
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04:36.13KriLL3there is a good ring and cloak
04:37.47KriLL3Angelista's Revenge http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34887 Dory's Embrace http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33484
04:39.05KriLL3there is a good tanking cloak for 35 and good tanking ring also
04:39.36KriLL32 rings actually
04:39.49KriLL3one 35 and one 60
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05:30.23TekkubAntiarc, wut wut wut?
05:30.38Antiarcfound that via strings on wow.exe
05:31.42Tekkubbut what does it mean?
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05:52.11AntiarcWell, I'd guess that you should start looking at 64-bit hex strings
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05:52.37AntiarcIt's still encoded somehow, but if you try to find a way to transcode it ti A-F, 0-9 it may make more sense
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05:59.46CIA-45Babble-2.2:
05:59.46CIA-45- fix ruRU translation in Babble-Faction-2.2
05:59.46CIA-45- added ruRU translation in Babble-SpellTree-2.2
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06:07.26Groktarmu'ru 17% ><
06:07.48Groktarer, i should say entropius
06:11.07Groktarhttp://wowwebstats.com/phrg4gqaywfp5?s=122-534 :(
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06:18.11CIA-4503jayhawk * r78827 10FuBar_SkillsPlusFu/ (3 files):
06:18.11CIA-45FuBar_SkillsPlusFu:
06:18.11CIA-45- 2.4.6 - removed cooldown for Mooncloth (Patch 2.4.3)
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06:25.33Orionshockcan you set secure attribs in the "PlayerRegenDisbaled" Event handler?
06:26.17nevcairielyes
06:26.24nevcairiellast place before lockdown
06:26.35Orionshockk
06:26.53Orionshockoddly enough im updating one of my crack pot addons
06:27.08Orionshockhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8992-TargetRaidIcon-Demo.html
06:27.33Tekkubkey whore
06:27.40Orionshock?
06:27.52Tekkubcair! ban Orion if he tries to get a key with that crap
06:28.15nevcairielhaha
06:29.02Orionshock:D i have 2 real addons on wowi besides that one
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06:31.06Orionshocki was only the 6th person to app for one  .... hehe
06:32.16Tekkubso hubby watched some DK videos, thinks they're horribly OP
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07:08.06Funkeh`http://www.vimeo.com/1268045?pg=embed&sec=1268045&hd=1
07:08.10Funkeh`brilliant!
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07:29.38just_Bobhello
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07:32.47ShadowedAntiarc GRATS YOUR FAMOUS
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07:36.21just_Bobso the point of useing wowace is for several addons to use the same library, right? so how should addons using wowace point to the libraries to make sure ths is done?
07:37.34cncfanaticswith svn, with externals
07:37.41cncfanaticsits slightly more complicated if you use git
07:38.34just_Bobim not too sure what svn would be, or git. lol
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07:40.00just_Bobi was thinking that one folder in the addons folder should be where the libraries are held, and each addon should point to ..\lib\whatever i need, isthat right? if you understand
07:40.32cncfanaticsyes it is
07:40.36cncfanaticsthats exactly what externals do
07:40.44cncfanaticswell, not exactly
07:40.52cncfanaticseach addon holds the libraries it needs inside its own folder
07:41.02MoonWorkin theory
07:41.18cncfanaticsI'm not gonna start discussing disembedding though
07:41.25MoonWorkand there is the stupid lets pull it all out things that update programs seem to like.
07:41.33CIA-4503StingerSoft * r78828 10WhoLib/WhoLib-1.0/WhoLib-1.0.lua: WhoLib: addad ruRU strings
07:41.49cncfanaticsMoonWork: it does spare bandwidth
07:42.00MoonWorkyeah
07:42.01MoonWorki know
07:42.21cncfanaticsbtw, someone tell me wtf is up with the EU realms
07:42.28cncfanaticsall the realms I have chars on are down :(
07:42.41MoonWorkthey are purging you off of them.
07:42.53NeyaI think they made an error with their hotfix that they applied, or something :P
07:42.54cncfanaticsnaa
07:42.56just_Bobso if i make 2 addons, each using several of the same libraries, it would still work however wowace was intended, right? (which was to use less ram, right?)
07:43.11MoonWorkyes, only one copy will remain in memory.
07:43.21cncfanaticsthe others will be garbage collected
07:43.26cncfanaticson the first GC run
07:43.39just_Bobok, thanks. i wasn't sure, but i dunno why since it never said anything about that lol
07:44.01cncfanaticsNeya: what did they hotfix ?
07:44.08Neyathe realm my debugging character is on got shut down while I was in the middle of debugging a pice of code, I completly missed all that yellow text xD
07:44.41cncfanaticshehe
07:44.43NeyaI got no idea, but it was stated on the realmstatus-page that they restared the servers at 5am to apply a hotfix, then the servers got shut down for some reason at 7am.
07:44.56cncfanaticscurrently not working on anything, with wotlk changing lots of stuff again I'll wait till I'm in beta
07:45.06Neya"All World of Warcraft realms from the following battlegroups will be shut down shortly in order to perform an emergency maintenance:"
07:45.10just_Bobthe us servers are going to get "rolling restarts", could the eu servers be getting those too right now?
07:45.21cncfanaticsits not "rolling restards"
07:45.25Neyaand you have almost all battlegroups listed there.
07:45.27cncfanaticsits rolling stay down and don't get back up :p
07:46.06just_Boblol
07:46.13just_Bobever heard of eqoa?
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07:51.15CIA-4503ammo * r78829 10AddonLoader/: AddonLoader: fix externals (guess svn 1.5 eats both orders)
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07:56.44AntiarcShadowed: Huh?
07:57.05Shadowedhttp://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/
07:57.20AntiarcROFL
07:57.21AntiarcSCORE
07:57.35nevcairielhaha yeah
07:57.50ShadowedIn fact
07:57.53ShadowedSomeone should make a mod that does it
07:57.57ShadowedI bet it wouldn't be that hard
07:58.24nevcairielonce we know the achievement system, probably easy to add custom ones
07:58.50[Ammo]svn 1.5 eats externals in the: http://someexternal/ somedir
07:58.50[Ammo]form
07:58.53[Ammo]but 1.4 doesn't :)
07:59.01ShadowedI'm going to make an addon once I get my beta key I think to do that
07:59.02Shadowedhmm
07:59.51ShadowedFiguring out if you wiped because you took aggro could be a little hard thought
07:59.57just_Boblol i was going to made an addon that pretty much keeps track of almost everything you do, i think ill try and integrate something like that to go with it lol
08:00.16ShadowedI guess you could do something like, if X% of raid dies within you taking aggro, you get the achievement
08:01.52cncfanaticsgiev plx
08:01.58cncfanaticsI'll do it with healing aggro
08:02.13Shadowedsomeone gimmie a beta key
08:03.01cncfanaticsShadowed: http://www.curseforge.com/announcements/lich-king-beta-author-key-giveaway/ http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17207 https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/beta-opt-in.html
08:03.16ShadowedI already entered that
08:03.41ShadowedBut thats not for another week or two
08:03.47cncfanaticstrue
08:03.53cncfanaticsglad I don't need my key before august :p
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08:35.14CIA-45AtlasLoot_OldInstances:
08:35.14CIA-45- revamp of 'The Stockade'
08:36.34CIA-4503hegarol * r78831 10AtlasLoot/ (5 files in 5 dirs):
08:36.34CIA-45AtlasLoot:
08:36.34CIA-45- revamp of 'The Stockade'
08:36.34CIA-45- changed instance structure of loot browser
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09:27.51charonhmm, the toc stays at 20400 for 2.4.3?
09:28.41Zhinjiowhat is the programmatic way of doing a /dump?
09:28.44ZhinjioI forgot
09:32.13cncfanaticsthere is no easy way afaik
09:32.21cncfanaticsat least not for tables
09:32.32charonthere's a DevTools_Dump() in devtools
09:32.41cncfanaticsfor booleans, strings or anything not a table do ChatFrame1:AddMessage(tostring(mystuffhere));
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09:37.14Zhinjiothanks
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10:05.16OrionshockWOOT! our guilds first kill on Azgalor :D
10:05.29copystringgrats!
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10:08.36Orionshocklol  [Boundless Agony] drops and it goes to a hunter :\
10:12.57Antiarclol, rogues actually wanted it?
10:13.05vhaarrWhat does `/cast !Spell' do, as opposed to `/cast Spell' ?
10:13.15AntiarcTurns it on if it's toggle-able
10:13.18AntiarcBut won't turn it off
10:13.20AntiarcLike Autoshot
10:13.23vhaarraha, thanks
10:13.25AntiarcOr Shoot with a wand
10:13.41nevcairielalso doesnt cast while already casting
10:13.51nevcairielor on gcd
10:19.27CIA-4503ananhaid * r78832 10Parrot/ (7 files in 2 dirs):
10:19.27CIA-45Parrot:
10:19.27CIA-45- revert last fix about the pet's combatevent change,the locale is not correct.
10:28.56Camciso when will WAU stop working? :s
10:29.23cncfanaticsCamci: as said in the post, the changes will be pushed mid august
10:29.25cncfanaticsso, mid august ? :p
10:29.52Camcibeen 2 days i read the post, i forgot :p but thanks :p
10:30.14Camcithen it will be payed service mid august then i guess :p
10:30.26Trell_anyone know if the EU beta keys are out yet?
10:30.33cncfanaticstbh, I don't like the fact it'll be a paid service
10:30.39cncfanaticsbut well, it is kind of needed to pay for the cost
10:30.44cncfanaticsso I won't complain if the fee ain't excessive
10:31.01cncfanaticsTrell_: I know noone who has got one yet, so I'd say not, but I can't be sure
10:31.33Camcithats a 2 side conflikt tbh, i can imagine the server/bandwith costs, but also it depends how much the service will cost for the users aswell, id buy it tbh :p
10:32.04cncfanaticsif its a fee to pay for the bandwidth, its ok
10:32.05Camcibut if its too much then id rather just update the manually, so hope the price is reasonable :p
10:32.09cncfanaticsif its any more I'm gonna go complain
10:32.25Pneumatusanyone happen to know what the current wait is on getting a new login/replacement password on the SVN?
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10:32.26cncfanaticsbut I trust Kaelten in that, he won't charge more then he needs for the bandwidth
10:32.37Camciidd
10:32.46cncfanaticsPneumatus: whenever an admin sees ur request rly
10:32.50cncfanaticscan be a minute, an hour, a day, a week
10:33.18Funkeh`which xml file do they store class colors in
10:33.25Pneumatusthought that might be the case, just wondered if they were backed up/holding off with the latest news
10:33.34cncfanaticsI doubt it
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10:39.03ramozwowace is gonna cost money? :O
10:39.12Trell_wau I think
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10:39.21Trell_not wowace as a whole
10:39.38ramozdidnt he say in the post that he's gonna make it avaiable in curseclient? (the new one=
10:40.08StanzillaI think premium users will get the ad-free version of thecurse client
10:40.32ramozSo people with a premium curse account?
10:40.38StanzillaI think so
10:40.54cncfanaticsno
10:40.59cncfanaticslet me quote from the post, one sec
10:41.23cncfanatics<PROTECTED>
10:41.41ramozoh, i see
10:42.02cncfanaticsalso In addition, WAU will, for the time being, be discontinued as well as it won't be receiving any new content. In the immediate, however, WowAce's content will be available via the new Curse Client that is in development.
10:42.16ramozYeah
10:42.30ramozyou dont need a premium account to use curse client afaik
10:42.38cncfanaticsto me it looks like the curse client will be avail to anyone
10:42.46ramozmm
10:42.46cncfanaticsand all the other updaters to only premium users
10:42.53cncfanaticsthat basicly just kills all third party updaters rly
10:42.57CIA-4503Corveroth * r78833 10DrumCoord/ (Core.lua embeds.xml):
10:42.57CIA-45DrumCoord:
10:42.57CIA-45-Variety of bugfixes; hook up a toggle, fix a dependency and more
10:43.01ramozmm
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10:43.15ramozlets hope curseclient is alot better than its current version
10:43.22cncfanaticsI never used it heh
10:43.24ramoz(the new one)
10:43.28cncfanaticsI don't know how the curse client works, but it'll probably be coded to use as less bandwidth as possible
10:44.02Elkanohmm... p2p addon updater? ;)
10:44.13cncfanaticsthats a possibility
10:44.17nevcairielnah
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10:45.39PneumatusFunkeh`: http://www.wowwiki.com/Class_colors
10:45.47PneumatusFrameXML/Fonts.xml
10:45.51Funkeh`got it now but thanks :)
10:46.29Camcicurse is so overrated, but thats just my opinion :p
10:47.12Pneumatusonly reason ive ever put an addon anywhere but the wowace svn is to try and get beta keys :>
10:48.01nevcairielAnd why exactly did you put it on wowace ?
10:48.34cncfanaticsPneumatus: same
10:48.39Camcihe said he didnt :P
10:48.55Elkanowell, when I started coding there was no wowace, yet ^^
10:48.57Pneumatuswell i did have an addon page on the wowace wiki also
10:49.08nevcairielwowace is no release site
10:49.12nevcairieland we're finally fixing that
10:49.25Elkanoyeah, about time ^^
10:49.53Pneumatusbut honestly, I never thought it would get any attention... im surprised there was even any interest in it
10:50.43Pneumatus... which is coincidentally why i'm ressurecting it :)
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10:51.29kalahassihow can i display the russian letters on my european wow? the realmlist lists them as ?
10:52.07cncfanaticskalahassi: I think its a WoW issue
10:52.17cncfanaticsI have russian fonts installed and can display russian stuff fine on a web browser
10:52.18cncfanaticsbut not in WoW
10:52.29Stanzilladid you change your wow font?
10:52.34kalahassino
10:52.37Pneumatusappears the same here... guess you must need the russian version of WoW
10:53.10Pneumatusooh, the dead battlegroups are starting to come back online
10:54.47cncfanaticsthey are ?
10:54.49cncfanaticsyay
10:55.55kalahassino russian languagepack?  damned
10:57.28cncfanaticsPneumatus: mind telling me when maggy gets online ? :p
10:57.46Pneumatusim logged in to my realm now, sorry :P
10:58.19Pneumatusand us Turalonites would never help any Magtherinubs after our forum feud ;)
11:00.35cncfanaticslol
11:00.35cncfanaticswth happened ? :p
11:01.21Pneumatusthere was a lot of cross-realm-forum flaming over which is the better realm :)
11:01.42Pneumatusprobably fueled by people jealous about you having Nihilum id imagine
11:03.17cncfanaticsooh "we have nihilum"
11:03.19cncfanaticswhat a bullshit ? :p
11:03.34cncfanaticsmost people with a brain don't rly give a fuck
11:03.39cncfanaticsits mainly those anoying fanbois
11:04.02Matrix110most people want to be proud of everything the participate on
11:04.09Matrix110and comparing yourself with others is the best way to get your satisfaction
11:04.10Pneumatuspretty much, but I definatly recall a few monster threadnaughts on our realm forums :)
11:04.21cncfanaticsMatrix110: comparing yourself with others yes
11:04.26Pneumatus= achievements in wotlk
11:04.28cncfanaticsnot comparing other guilds on your realm with others
11:04.42Matrix110cncfanatics its "your" realm so you can do that :P
11:05.09Pneumatuswell, i guess not many people know much about other realms, but Magtheridon will always be known to the masses as the home of Nihilum
11:05.43CIA-4503ananhaid * r78834 10XLootMaster/ (localization.zhCN.lua localization.zhTW.lua):
11:05.43CIA-45XLootMaster:
11:05.43CIA-45- zhCN/zhTW update.
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11:20.35Vulcanusthis is just fab, they decided not to accept my CC anymore lol
11:20.46Vulcanusits not expired and I has money in account
11:21.00MoonWorkweird
11:21.03MoonWorki have that for us account
11:21.11MoonWorki can pay for the account, but could not buy the expansion with it.
11:21.23cncfanaticsVulcanus: their cc system is down
11:21.36cncfanaticshas nothing to do with ur card
11:21.42cncfanaticssee http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4965966934&sid=1
11:21.52nevcairielhalf EU is down
11:21.56cncfanaticsyep
11:22.00cncfanaticsI'm wondering whats happening tbh :s
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11:25.09Vulcanusnow I have to go fucking downtown too XD
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11:27.48Kalrothnev broke EU servers
11:28.17Kaaosa-Who plays on those anyway? >_>
11:28.24cncfanaticsmost trolls do
11:28.27cncfanaticsmost noticably me & Fisker-
11:28.35Cheadsarchievements for "Largest critical hit" "Largest hit" etc. .. maybe no need for topscore etc. =9
11:28.39KalrothReal people plays on EU servers
11:28.44Kaaosa-I'm real people :[
11:28.50cncfanaticsCheads: highest heal too ,
11:28.52CIA-4503daviesh * r78836 10AtlasLoot/Core/ButtonRegistry.lua:
11:28.52CIA-45AtlasLoot:
11:28.52CIA-45- Corrected a typo
11:29.00Cheadsyeah, stuff like that
11:29.03KalrothKaaosa-: Are you an american?
11:29.24Kaaosa-I'm -the- american
11:29.32KalrothThat may be, but you're not a real person yet
11:29.36Kaaosa-:[
11:30.02cncfanaticsKaaosa-: are you like 25% of americans ?
11:30.16Kaaosa-Which 25%?
11:30.23cncfanaticsthe way too fat 25%
11:30.28Kaaosa-Oh, no :P
11:31.16Vulcanuswhat do you mean way too fat 25%? everybody knows it's the other way around
11:31.16VulcanusXD
11:31.41cncfanaticshaha
11:32.05Cheadslinking the recipe book in wotlk.. many interesting things to come =)
11:32.12cncfanaticsagree
11:32.16cncfanaticsits a damn cool change
11:32.25cncfanaticsit will partialy prevent scamming :)
11:32.29Kaaosa-I just want to know if there will be new rocket boots :o
11:32.36cncfanaticsthough you can still link other people's recipe book to scam :s
11:32.49cncfanaticsI hope blizz adds a change you can only link your own recipe book
11:33.10cncfanatics(though that might be hard, or even impossible to implement)
11:33.20Vulcanusthat would sorta break mods that lets you link mats for x
11:34.05Matrix110Well linking recipes doesnt matter you should be able to craft things without having to give somebody else the mats :P
11:34.14Vulcanustrue
11:34.20Vulcanusbut they seem to be reluctant to do that
11:34.25cncfanaticsI do wonder why
11:34.34cncfanaticsmake the to not be traded box 6 slots
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11:34.38Vulcanusimo it should be so that on the tooltip it should say "Vulcanus cannot craft this item!" if I tried to link JC shit on my mage (Tai/Ench)
11:34.41cncfanaticsand let stuff be crafted out of those mats
11:34.57Matrix110Vulcanus that would be nice
11:34.58cncfanaticsVulcanus: it can't work like that
11:35.04Vulcanuswai cnc
11:35.13cncfanaticsatm, all information is sent in the spellink
11:35.27cncfanaticsit works with bit flags and the client parses that to see whats in it
11:35.42Vulcanusso it would be nothing more than just altering the string to take out that line?
11:35.47cncfanaticsthere's atm no way to control if the person that linked it can actualy craft it or just crafted the link / used someone else's
11:36.13Stanzillacncfanatics: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14299.msg231079#msg231079
11:36.17Matrix110wouldnt a simple hash check solve that?
11:36.39Vulcanusthen they could encorporate charid in the string sent to the client, which would make the client query the server for the recipes from that charid
11:37.15Vulcanuswould take a huge performance hit, but then again I hear MSSQL 2008 is gonna be even better than 2005 which I bet is what they're running
11:38.06cncfanaticsStanzilla: replying
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11:40.08Matrix110oh that CC issue is a general issue
11:40.09cncfanaticsStanzilla: thanks for telling me that
11:40.14Matrix110we couldnt go muru thanks to that...
11:40.20Stanzillanp
11:40.37cncfanaticsVulcanus: they could incorporate the charid in the link
11:40.40Orionshocko.O wow, i've cracked 4k downloads on guild craft... didn't think i'd do that
11:40.49Matrix110And I already cursed our tank for being stupid
11:40.54cncfanaticsand just add to the craft window: <playername>'s crafts
11:41.06Vulcanusaye
11:41.09KalrothMatrix110: What CC on M'uru? Just kill stuff!
11:41.21Matrix110no
11:41.24Matrix110CreditCard
11:41.25Matrix110:P
11:41.30KalrothOh :P
11:42.00cncfanatics~seen MoonWitch
11:42.03purlmoonwitch <n=Kay@83.101.2.192> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 19d 13h 41m 11s ago, saying: 'thanks VonhintenHOME` '.
11:42.13cncfanatics:o, he hasn't been on for a damn long time
11:42.23KalrothYou scared him/her away, cnc
11:42.41cncfanaticshe's asking what realm I'm on and might reroll on mine and join my guild, so, nop :p
11:43.36Industrialshe, i'd say :p
11:44.01cncfanaticsdoesn't really matter in the internet tbh
11:44.15Stanzillathe mobs are bugged sometimes
11:44.22KalrothPersonally I define everyone online as "it", but it offends some people
11:44.26Stanzillathey become unresponsive can only be hit by auto attacks
11:44.32KalrothStanzilla: Their aggro list isn't reset.
11:44.43cncfanaticsKalroth: I'd do the same, but as if offends people I use he :p
11:44.57cncfanaticsif someone insists being female I'll use she if I remember it
11:45.23Orionshockah the hell, wowmatrix picked up my addon ... grrr
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11:45.45cncfanaticsOrionshock: does wowmatrix handpick addons or just pull everything from wowace ?
11:45.55Orionshockboth i think
11:45.59KalrothIf JohnDoe runs by Mob334 and doesn't fight it, then Mob334 runs back to its spot and waits there. Once JackDoe comes and hits Mob334, it tries to reach JohnDoe, only to fail at it, reset and then get hate for JackDoe.
11:47.20KalrothI've tested it myself, I ran through a pack of 5-6 mobs and away from them. Once they reset I had another character try to pull the mobs and they all ran for the first character.
11:47.49cncfanaticsKalroth: server ?
11:48.10KalrothServer? Not that I think it matters much, but Stormrage-EU
11:48.54KalrothThey're deploying a bunch of hotfixes today, I'm guessing it's to fix the NPCs.
11:49.09cncfanaticsits only 3 battlegroups being affected afaik
11:49.12cncfanaticsand it was fine yesterday
11:49.26KalrothI experienced it a lot of times yesterday, so no :)
11:49.28Orionshockcan't wait for the 1.0-2.0-3.0 bridge patch... oh that will be a fun week
11:49.32KalrothI even ganked some poor sod because of it
11:49.50Kaaosa-Does Notepad++ support lua syntax highlighting natively or do I need to get a plugin for it?
11:49.59OrionshockKaaosa-:  it does
11:49.59Stanzillanatively
11:49.59cncfanaticsnatively
11:50.00CIA-4503kagaro * r78837 10GatherMate/GatherMate.toc: GatherMate: toc fix
11:50.01KalrothSome protadin that aggroed like 10+ mobs, bubbled and made it away. I then poked one mob and they all ran and ganked him ;)
11:50.05Kaaosa-Fantastic
11:50.16cncfanaticsonly outside ?
11:50.22KalrothEmergency maintenance, 21/07
11:50.22KalrothThe realms in the following Battlegroups are undergoing an emergency maintenance: Conviction, Cyclone, Nightfall and Rampage.
11:50.26KalrothI play on Cyclone
11:50.28cncfanaticsI did like 7 instances yesterday and never had issues
11:50.38cncfanaticsI play on the maggy realm, dunno what battlegroup it is :p
11:50.43KalrothIt only works outside, duh :)
11:50.58KalrothIn instances the mobs doesn't reset aggro, they keep following you
11:51.27KalrothYou're on Conviction
11:52.57cncfanaticsk, tnx
11:53.09cncfanaticsthe issue is probably isolated to those 4 battlegroups
11:53.12cncfanaticsI do wonder what caused it
11:53.17cncfanaticsdoesn't sound like a hardware issue
11:53.33KalrothI'm guessing it was a wrong patch issued to the servers or something similar :)
11:53.43CIA-4503kagaro * r78838 10GatherMate/Config.lua: GatherMate: updated the o to O for linux and fixed global launcher to local variable. Thanks vharr and ammo
11:54.04cncfanaticskagaro: the o to O shouldn't be an issue on linux as wine does that conversion iirc
11:54.10cncfanaticsbut still good to use the correct case :p
11:54.23Orionshockanyone been able to sucsessfuly remove their addon from wowmatrix?
11:54.26kagarooddly enough on my Mac its Addons as the folder name
11:54.40cncfanaticsOrionshock: how would you go doing that ?
11:54.59[Ammo]Orionshock: I have
11:55.01Orionshockpersonaly i just clicked "Contact Us" at the bottom
11:55.05[Ammo]Orionshock: I did that too
11:55.13CIA-4503kagaro * r78839 10kgPanels/kgPanels.lua: kgPanels: fixed global var to local for launcher and AddOns case for linux just in case.
11:55.20cncfanaticsI'm gonna do the same then heh
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11:55.23[Ammo]and told them this was the second time I asked, next time would be through my law firm
11:55.35[Ammo]was gone within 2 hours
11:55.43Orionshockis there a good generic license to release addons under?
11:56.45cncfanaticswhats bad about wowmatrix btw ?
11:56.50cncfanaticsseems like yet another updater to me
11:57.02[Ammo]they steal addons
11:57.04[Ammo]without permission
11:57.12Stanzillaand even change them sometimes
11:57.24cncfanaticsokay, I'm getting mine of that
11:57.49[Ammo]they rip all of files.wowace.com
11:57.53[Ammo]without permission
11:58.09cncfanaticscouldn't their crawler be blocked ?
11:58.11[Ammo]lucky for new wowace without WAU and files.wowace.com
11:58.13cncfanaticsit most probably has a static IP
11:58.17[Ammo]byebye wowmatrix
11:59.25AntiarcIt was really funny to read the wow insider story on WAU going away
11:59.28Kalrothyou mean byebye wowace
11:59.30AntiarcEveryone was all "lawls, just use wowmatrix"
11:59.35AntiarcAnd I was "haha, fools"
11:59.45cncfanaticsAntiarc: can you link ?
11:59.53Zarieldoes something need to be done to make shadowOffsets update?
12:00.00Antiarchttp://www.wowinsider.com/2008/07/19/wowaceupdater-goes-the-way-of-the-dodo/
12:01.35Kalrothman, they link to wowace forums with the sessionid
12:01.49nevcairiellol
12:02.16cncfanaticswhy are they assuming that only WAU will stop working ?
12:02.24Kaaosa-Some people don't know how the internet works
12:02.24cncfanaticsseriously, if WAU stops working all clones do too, its only natural
12:03.17profalbertdoes this curse-thingy only work on windows?
12:03.44KalrothI'm guessing the client only works on windows, yes
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12:04.53ZarielEh, im changing the shadowOffset X/Y, the values are changing but the display isnt updating the new offset until i change the color :S
12:07.47Zarielhm wowmatrix seems to be pulling not just from wowace
12:08.10cncfanaticsZariel: it pulls from pretty much everywhere
12:11.33VulcanusI guess thats one good thing about the files.wowace.com -> CF style change, those kinda places will get fucked over
12:11.49Kalrothhows that?
12:12.09Kalrothyou don't think it's possible to automate downloads from other sites? :)
12:12.30cncfanaticsit will still be very possible to automate then from wowace prolly
12:12.40Funkeh`kagaro, you want type = "launcher"
12:12.42LonnyYeah it's actually pretty easy :)
12:12.44Funkeh`not lanuter = true
12:12.49Funkeh`launcher*
12:13.03EvilJohn-so files.wowace.com is going away, not just WAU
12:13.20cncfanaticsEvilJohn-: its more, files.wowace.com is going away, thus WAU and other updaters won't work
12:13.31EvilJohn-yeah
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12:13.46Vulcanusthey might use files.wowace.com as the domain, but the backend software will be CF and not dis
12:13.46kagaroFunkeh`: you should have tekkub update his wiki page then
12:13.54KalrothSure, but there already exist automatic updaters for Curse and other sites
12:13.55EvilJohn-what about read access to the svn repository?
12:13.55Funkeh`he's a slaaack
12:14.09cncfanaticsEvilJohn-: no idea, you're better off asking Kaelten prolly
12:14.13kagaroI liteally just cut and paste and changed name + icon
12:14.19[Ammo]no
12:14.19[Ammo]files.wowace.com and it's functionality will be gone
12:14.19[Ammo]releases will be done on release sites
12:14.33[Ammo]EvilJohn-: readaccess will be on a per project basis
12:14.37[Ammo]so I can close of my addons
12:14.57KalrothUpdaters like JWoWupdater already supports Curse and WOWI
12:15.02Vulcanusbut if you do, ackis can't luac -p your addons ammo!
12:15.03EvilJohn-do you want to close the release, or close the view into development?
12:15.13[Ammo]releases will be done on release sites
12:15.16[Ammo]get them from there
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12:15.27[Ammo]finally wowace will go back to a developer platform
12:15.28cncfanaticswill be better imo
12:15.32CIA-4503kagaro * r78840 10GatherMate/Config.lua: GatherMate: changed launcher = true to type = "launcher"
12:15.33CIA-4503kagaro * r78841 10kgPanels/kgPanels.lua: kgPanels: changed launcher = true to type = "launcher"
12:15.41cncfanaticsalso, I think "wowace" ain't an optimal name
12:15.45cncfanaticsits not only for ace addons rly
12:15.53Cheads[Ammo] hopefully people will release their nice addons elsewhere then
12:15.54[Ammo]it's what it is and has been for years
12:16.00[Ammo]I already have my addons up on wowinterface
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12:16.07Vulcanusthe way I understand it is that on the CF software there will be a button to push it to curse, so the curse updater will work
12:16.25Cheadssure, but many of the addons on wowace aren't anywhere else
12:16.40ckknightAntiarc: hey, Omen is mentioned in penny arcade: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/7/21/vacillation-street/
12:16.41[Ammo]you can generate release versions which will be available as .zip
12:16.42EvilJohn-i understand the need
12:16.51[Ammo]you can either push to curse or to another site
12:16.56Antiarchehe, I saw that
12:16.59EvilJohn-bit for someone who helps guild people keep addons going, it does get harder, now
12:16.59Cheadsnice
12:16.59Kalrothckknight: He knows, he's already asked Blizzard for a "Win Omen" achievement. :p
12:16.59Fisker-...
12:17.00Fisker-http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5061876314&sid=1
12:17.06ckknightlol.
12:17.09Fisker-"Will they be released at the same time? Or will there be a delay on the Mac version like normal?"
12:17.11Fisker-oh yeah
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12:17.27Fisker-because Blizzard have a track record of never ever releasing both the mac and pc client at the same time with all of their games
12:17.56CIA-4503orionshock * r78842 10GuildCraft/ (GuildCraft.toc core.lua): GuildCraft: license update to MIT from WTFPL
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12:19.07Vulcanuslmfao
12:19.09CIA-4503maqjav * r78843 10AtlasLoot/Constants/constants.es.lua:
12:19.09CIA-45AtlasLoot:
12:19.09CIA-45- esES update
12:19.10Vulcanus"wtfpl"
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12:21.44ckknighthehe
12:22.26ckknightWTFPL is pretty funny, really. It's the closest thing to Public Domain while still being a license. Granted, I prefer MIT
12:22.32OrionshockVulcanus: it's actualy a real one
12:22.42Chomperswhat's the difference?
12:23.06VulcanusXD
12:23.49Orionshocktbh i want one that says "I have the right to manage anything released under this exact name" ... meh well
12:24.05Pneumatuswrite your own then :)
12:24.13Orionshocktempted
12:24.24VulcanusDIS MY ADDON. U GO WAI.
12:24.28cncfanaticsOrionshock: I just took a license that said u can do what the fuck u want with my stuff as long as you mail me before doing so
12:25.03Orionshockhumm...
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12:26.10Pneumatusone of the creative commons licenses is basically that isnt it?
12:26.24nevcairielcreative commons shouldnt be used for code
12:28.29OrionshockstingerSoft??? u in IRC?
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12:29.15durcynman, i can't wait for a russkiy to touch somethin of mine so i can revert it with a 'yob tvoyu maht' message =(
12:29.35Orionshock^.^ oy... got a guildie that wants the raid to get oRA3 ...
12:29.44[Ammo]haha
12:29.51[Ammo]all it does is show pretty readychecks!
12:29.59[Ammo](for leader and assistant)
12:30.42Orionshocki told him that if he's smart enought to know how to get ora3 then he should be smart enough to know it's a bit useless...
12:30.54[Ammo]not useless at all
12:31.00[Ammo]does one job pretty good
12:31.08Orionshocklol
12:31.10Stanzillawtb maintanks in ora3 :P
12:31.31EvilJohn-it also gives you easy keybinds to target/assisting those MT
12:31.41EvilJohn-and that's not as a simple problem as it seems :(
12:32.51Pneumatusonly thing i use ora2 for these days is making the res syncing with SmartRes work :<
12:33.48KalrothI used it for the ready check window, mt windows, cooldown list and durability check
12:33.56EvilJohn-<PROTECTED>
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12:34.05Kalrothnaw, I don't check for items
12:34.13EvilJohn-"does everyone have their healthstone?"
12:34.15KalrothI use bigbrother to check for flasks
12:34.44Pneumatusradur isnt that neccesary these days either with pretty much all instances having someone to repair at either inside or just outside
12:35.05KalrothWe still use bots a lot in Sunwell
12:35.06cncfanaticsstill nice
12:35.07Pneumatusnot like the days of MC/BWL/Naxx when you had to travel half a continent to get a repair, or drop a bot
12:35.14profalbertwe have more CT-RA-users than oRA-users in our raid
12:35.19cncfanaticspeople tend to forget to repair and are afraid to mention at and keep running around in red gear :s
12:35.29KalrothIt's tons faster to drop a bot than to tell people to go outside and repair
12:36.08Pneumatuswell, bots are nowhere near as expensive as they used to be as well, at least comparibly
12:36.50Pneumatusi still detest paying un-reputation-modified repair prices :)
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12:37.04KalrothDon't die then. :)
12:37.13EvilJohn-i can't believe people are still using CT mod stuff
12:37.21nevcairielI use CT_MailMod
12:37.23nevcairielits fine
12:37.36PneumatusCT_MailMod was the only ctmod i ever used really
12:37.41dieckCT_RaidTracker. Though the modified version from mldkp
12:37.41Pneumatusbut i replaced that with postal
12:38.17nevcairieloh yeah and CT_RT too
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12:40.30Pneumatusi wish SmartRes wasnt dependant on ora2/ctra for res syncing tho :<
12:42.02dieckhm, is it? I never noticed that. Though I have oRA2 running, so it wouldn't bother me :)
12:42.12Pneumatusyeh was looking at the code the other day
12:42.51Pneumatusif not (oRA and oRA.HasModule(oRA, "ParticipantPassive") and oRA.IsModuleActive(oRA, "ParticipantPassive") or CT_RA_Stats) then
12:42.57Sarozgive beta key :(
12:43.49Fisker-indeed
12:43.59Fisker-i'm dying ;_;
12:44.45Pneumatusi guess EU keys still havnt been sent :<
12:45.08Fisker-they have
12:45.17Pneumatusi guess blizz hate me then
12:45.19profalbertFisker-: when?
12:45.35Fisker-friday
12:46.00cncfanaticslotery keys have been sent
12:46.06profalbertthe damn character-copy doesn't work yet...
12:46.09cncfanaticschance of getting one of those is slightly low
12:46.29Pneumatusi was hoping that as i was an awesome BC beta tester they would send me one :<
12:46.58Pkekyo|UPS SUCKS :<
12:47.22Fisker-Pneumatus no
12:47.29Fisker-Blizzard doesn't care about EU people
12:48.10Saroz:>
12:48.17Pneumatusi must have reported tens, if not hundreds of bugs in BC beta
12:48.22Fisker-Not to mention they'd have to actually read our posts and bug reports to decide whether or not you are an awesome BC beta tester
12:48.32SarozPneumatus, those bugs never reach the right people
12:48.33Fisker-Then your work was in vain Pneumatus :(
12:48.57Sarozdevelopers dont check EU stuff
12:49.00phyberFisker-: if you walk out of america, you fall off the world.  there is nothing else!
12:49.01Pneumatuswell, thats true as a lot of them werent fixed until several patches after live
12:49.26Fisker-indeed phyber
12:49.35Pneumatusyou just had to look at Laj in botanica, that wasnt fixed till like 2.0.3
12:49.57Fisker-Pneumatus there was a thread on the general discussion forum named "FUCK YOU BLIZZARD" for about a month
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12:50.11Fisker-They removed it at the end of the beta when they figured out US was doing an end of beta event
12:50.17Fisker-then they wanted to do something as well
12:51.05Fisker-Anyways even if they did read our posts etc, they still didn't offer F&F status like they did with the good beta testers in the US
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12:53.33cncfanaticsEU beta is screwed up
12:53.36Lyn_:o
12:53.41cncfanaticsthey're just doing it to not get QQ from EU players I think :p
12:53.54Zyndromeof course it is, cause I don't have a beta key yet :S
12:54.05Zyndromemakes perfect sense why it's messy
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12:54.44SarozI got one for TBC, was helpful
12:55.02Sarozfucking state headers
12:55.04Pneumatusi had to beg my BC beta key from a friend
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12:55.19Zyndromehttp://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9465/wowscrnshot072108135819dm8.jpg :/
12:55.28Sarozhope they fix state headers so there is ONE and not one for party and one for raid
12:55.29Sarozfucking bull
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12:56.00nevcairielSaroz: they did, kinda. You just have to do it yourself now :)
12:56.09Sarozexplain
12:56.19Sarozand one for pets
12:56.21Saroz3 headers, give one
12:56.23Sarozfucking pain
12:56.27Pkekyo|Zyndrome: wth?
12:56.31cncfanaticsSaroz: they'll let us use lua code
12:56.40cncfanaticsfrom what I've seen in the code, they're gonna let us run secure code from a sandbox
12:56.48Zyndromebetter abandon my paladin for DK
12:56.51Sarozuhhhhh
12:56.57cncfanaticswhere we can't access stuff they don't want us to and thus not making decisions based on factors they don't want us to
12:57.14Saroznaise, give beta key
12:57.28nevcairielthe old secure group header is still around though
12:57.33Sarozhate those
12:57.35Sarozhate hate hate
12:57.35nevcairielnot sure if its supposed to be replaced as well
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13:05.38Kaaosa-Is there an event fired when a spell cooldown finishes?
13:05.38Orionshockhttp://ace.pastey.net/92028 --- what wowmatrix says when i ask them to remove it from their listing
13:06.51Orionshock" If you wish to remove GuildCraft from the WowAce database, and therefore from all AddOn updaters (such as WowMatrix) that connect to their system, you may do so at any time via your WowAce account."
13:06.54Orionshockthe hell???
13:07.03EvilJohn-nice
13:09.06Dark_Elfmaybe ya need to insert this is a letter from attorney so and so representing self, and tell them they have 3 days to remove guildcraft from wowmatrix
13:09.08KalrothMaybe if it wasn't taken out of context :p
13:09.26Kalroth"The reason GuildCraft is listed in WowMatrix is because the AddOn is in the WowAce database."
13:10.03Fisker-http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4965969928&postId=50610908981&sid=1#85 <-ooh 1-0
13:10.52CIA-4503gagorian * r78845 10DrDamage/DrDamage.lua:
13:10.52CIA-45DrDamage:
13:10.52CIA-45- Poppins support.
13:10.58Dark_Elfin other words wowmatrix is a file leech, but just like kazaa and other things they should have to have filters
13:11.33KalrothAnd I really don't see why people are being so anal about the distribution of their addons. I don't see any problems with WowMatrix, at worst it's an indexer for Wowace's public distribution system and nothing else.
13:11.37durcynsounds more like an aggregator to me
13:11.41Orionshocki think my 2nd contact represents more why i want it removed.
13:12.36[Ammo]I told them I did not want wowmatrix spreading my addons
13:12.39[Ammo]they listened to that
13:12.43OrionshockKalroth: basicly updaters like WoWMatrix, unlike WUU, leach bandwidth from wowace and other sites due to loss in ad revenue.
13:12.55KalrothOrionshock: Sure, that's Wowaces problem, not yours.
13:13.21Orionshockright but it's being done with my stuff and im indirectly responsible...
13:13.57Dark_Elfthats why wowace should go after wowmatrix, cause its leeching its bandwidth, i wonder if wowmatrix contributed to wowui server blowout as well?
13:14.14OrionshockDark_Elf: not worth it
13:14.15KalrothHuh? No you're not, you're hosting your addon on Wowace, how other people abuse their services really isn't related to your addon.
13:14.35OrionshockKalroth: it's a matter of perspective
13:14.39KalrothAnd WowMatrix hardly is leeching anything, they're directing people to their downloads.
13:14.48Pneumatuswowmatrix is leeching bandwidth and preventing the site owners making their own ad revenue etc, im surprised the likes of curse havnt taken them to court
13:15.48nevcairielThere are alot of 3rd party updaters
13:15.54ZarielOccasionally we receive similar requests from
13:15.54Zarielother AddOn authors who for some reason think
13:15.54Zarielthat their AddOns are being hosted on our servers
13:15.54Zariel(and therefore may be outdated, not within their
13:15.56Zarielcontrol, etc). This is simply not the case.
13:15.59Zarielwhat
13:16.40KalrothIf Wowace didn't want other sources to download from their site, then they shouldn't have made files.wowace.com. Which is also what they're undoing now, I believe.
13:16.42Orionshocknevcairiel: true, but what ones have ads in them? WAU and the one for ui.worldofwar.net, and those 2 are site exclusive
13:17.00FtH|Daemonaquick question to the hunters out there, do you still die after 6 min in feign death?
13:17.08nevcairielnah they stand up now
13:17.11Pneumatusnope
13:17.12FtH|Daemonakk
13:17.13[Ammo]Kalroth: I told wowmatrix to remove all references to my addons from their site
13:17.13Pneumatus^^
13:17.16[Ammo]they complied
13:17.39[Ammo]probably still available on their downloader nowadays
13:17.39Orionshock[Ammo]: you also threaten legal action ....
13:17.42[Ammo]yeah
13:17.43Kalroth[Ammo]: Sure, probably because they couldn't be bothered with the lawsuit, which is too bad.
13:18.09Pneumatusplus, wowmatrix has its own ads in the client, so they are linking straight to content not owned by them and letting you see their ads for the privalage
13:18.11[Ammo]but with the new wowace wowmatrix is byebye
13:18.16Kalrothhuh
13:18.23Fisker-omg easy mode nevcairiel
13:18.25CIA-4503saroz * r78846 10sRaidFrames/ (sRaidFrames.lua sRaidFramesOptions.lua): sRaidFrames: Cleanups
13:18.32[Ammo]no more files page to leech 90%+ of their addons from
13:18.46Fisker-err yes?
13:18.50Fisker-Just leech them from curse?
13:18.51KalrothSo they'll just leech from curseforge or whatever
13:18.58Dark_Elfi notice alot of sites requireing accounts to do downloads i wonder if wowace will require that in future, that would help prevent bots from hogging bandwidth
13:19.00[Ammo]the fact that wowmatrix makes money of wowace's bandwith is the issue here
13:19.00nevcairielyou cant leech from CF
13:19.08Fisker-why not?
13:19.12Orionshock<PROTECTED>
13:19.17Pneumatusexactly [Ammo]
13:19.17Orionshock<PROTECTED>
13:19.32[Ammo]well they'd have to crawl the site the whole time
13:19.37[Ammo]no easy 'latest release' link
13:19.39nevcairielCF randomizes the download links to make crawling very hard
13:19.40KalrothAs long as there's public downloads, you can leech
13:19.54nevcairielthey could also require a referer link
13:20.03nevcairiel(of course those can be faked)
13:20.03Kalroth[Ammo]: Or just scan the "latest updates" page every minute and store the results on a local server.
13:20.08Pneumatusdo we have any SVN admins around atm? :)
13:20.22[Ammo]Kalroth: there are ways around it
13:20.35[Ammo]but now they don't get an xml to parse with download links
13:20.45nevcairielthere is never a real way to stop downloading
13:20.46EvilJohn-it's just going to be harder on them
13:20.48[Ammo]wowmatrix can die in a very large fire
13:20.50EvilJohn-but it won't stop them
13:20.50nevcairielbut CF is really hard to get files
13:21.16nevcairielyou like have to parse at least 2 html pages per project to get one file ref
13:22.01Orionshockjust force a 3sec timeout per page? & make it more of a pain than is useful
13:22.18Fisker-i can only see that will make your bandwitdh issues worse
13:22.18EvilJohn-doesn't look that hard to me
13:22.29Fisker-because now you have to load even more data than you had before
13:22.30Pneumatusdoes CF support SVN externals for its packager?
13:22.31KalrothIt's a catch-22, if you make it hard for clients to index, then you make it harder for users too. But if you make it harder for users, then the users find another site.
13:22.45OrionshockPneumatus: yes
13:22.57Orionshockbut in more of a global sense than per svn directory
13:22.58EvilJohn-unless you only allow downloads through the updater tool
13:23.10KalrothEvilJohn-: The updater tool can be reversed.
13:23.10EvilJohn-which is unfun
13:23.23nevcairielKalroth: users are not supposed to use CF really
13:23.26nevcairielthey should use Curse
13:23.28EvilJohn-yes, but now we're up in order of magnitudes
13:23.28FtH|Daemonathe question is, do you make the client crawl CF and get the links for the end-user, or would wowmatrix do it serverside and supply an index every minute or so...
13:23.28KalrothPublic updated in any fun is just that, public.
13:23.31EvilJohn-in dfficulty
13:23.32Kalrothupdates*
13:23.34Orionshocktbh, if it got really fked, i'd just use WAU with CLI-SVN program, works like a charm.
13:23.35FtH|DaemonaTHAT would be easy to block ;)
13:24.02KalrothEvilJohn-: Not really, just setup a http proxy and see the calls going through it. Emulate the calls and you got your own updater.
13:24.12Orionshockb/c everything on CF has a repo in the background
13:24.32EvilJohn-assuming the clients don't have a unique public generated tied to a user id
13:24.33Pneumatuseach CF project is its own SVN repo right?
13:24.44OrionshockPneumatus: SVN/Git/Mercuril
13:24.49nevcairielCurse will probably have to offer some xml format or something, but CF will not. End-Users shouldnt really have to go to CF ever
13:24.50Orionshockone of the 3
13:24.51Pneumatusright
13:24.53EvilJohn-if the attempt is to block 3rd party updaters from CF, then this something they'll have to do
13:25.00KalrothFtH|Daemona: Yup, that's exactly what I suggested. It doesn't even have to be a single server doing it, it could be the updater client itself, so the scans are from different IPs every time.
13:25.07EvilJohn-nevcairiel: I simply do not believe that
13:25.11EvilJohn-i really really don't.
13:25.29nevcairielbelieve what you want
13:25.31EvilJohn-uses will slamming CF so hard on major patch days, it's hard to describe
13:25.31nevcairiel:P
13:25.38FtH|Daemonayeah but do you expect the enduser to wait like ... 10 minutes for the client to crawl CF to check for updates AND have up-to-date leech links for them?
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13:25.53FtH|Daemonawhich might be outdated, cause the randomizer was faster than your refresh action?
13:25.55[Ammo]users should go to wowi or curse
13:26.06EvilJohn-but they won't
13:26.08nevcairielUsers will just run the clients which update from curse or wowi
13:26.12EvilJohn-here's what will happen
13:26.18Pneumatususers like to be able to hit one button for all their addons to update though
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13:26.24Pneumatusand any means to achieve that will be well recieved
13:26.27durcyni want a pony.
13:26.29EvilJohn-user gets home at 5 on a patch 2.4.4 day, raid starts at 6
13:26.35KalrothFtH|Daemona: No, just get a core list of addons from the central server, while also grabbing the "lastest updates" page and send it to the server
13:26.36OrionshockEvilJohn-: a word of advice, try not to argue with nevcairiel or [Ammo] ...
13:26.48EvilJohn-beta mod fixes problm in Ora2, people will go for it
13:26.48durcynp.s. users can go fornicate themselves with rusty pitchforks
13:26.55Kalrothwhat happens if nevcairiel and [Ammo] doesn't agree then?
13:27.08[Ammo]that gets settled elsewhere and a uniform answer on here :p
13:27.09EvilJohn-Orionshock: they seem reasonable to me
13:27.15OrionshockKalroth: irc explodes...?
13:27.16Pneumatusand with the success of WAU its fairly clear to see people are happy to run bleeding edge all the time
13:27.16FtH|DaemonaEvilJohn- the point is, if beta mod fixes an issue in a patch with that said addon
13:27.23FtH|Daemonathe author SHOULD push it as release...
13:27.33[Ammo]how can they run bleeding edge if they can't access bleeding edge is the question
13:27.45CIA-4503profalbert * r78847 10Parrot/ (9 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:27.45CIA-45Parrot:
13:27.45CIA-45- merge with changes in the "new combatlog"-branch
13:27.45CIA-45- weapon-enchants now working
13:27.45CIA-45- can now distinguish between "player killing blow" and "NPC killing
13:27.46nevcairielA very slimm minority of users will actually go to CurseForge, most of the users will simply be too lazy
13:27.47CIA-45blow"
13:27.47EvilJohn-FtH|Daemona: and that's the aprt I don't believe
13:27.49CIA-45- fix overheal-calculation
13:27.53FtH|Daemonableeding edge is what the user perceives to be bleeding edge ;)
13:28.03FtH|Daemonawhich could be "stable" from the svn
13:28.19FtH|Daemonaor beat
13:28.19FtH|Daemonabeta
13:28.21FtH|Daemonaor whatever the author considers safe for use
13:28.22EvilJohn-I understand the terms
13:28.38nevcairielEvilJohn-: give it some time, only wowace brought the idea of constant alpha/beta updates in the game, with wowace gone, that will die again too
13:28.40EvilJohn-but I'm trying to describe human behavior in regards to a changing enviornment and fixed time schedule
13:28.52EvilJohn-nevcairiel: Toothpase/tube
13:29.00[Ammo]the new wowace will allow easy publish of stable releases
13:29.00EvilJohn-in any event
13:29.03nevcairielwhat?
13:29.06[Ammo]which more authors will use
13:29.09OrionshockIMO the root problem is the actual testing, there is no clear and clean testing environment for any wow addons before they hit the general user base... so the user base becomes the testing ground... it's development but live
13:29.11EvilJohn-Ammo: I hope so
13:29.19Pneumatusthe other thing as well, if a library is currently updated and is stable, should all authors then push out new packaged versions of their addons with the updated libs as new versions
13:29.25EvilJohn-Orionshock: I don't think that's been addressed.
13:29.37EvilJohn-and it can't in a free development env, really
13:29.37FtH|Daemonareminds me of Ackis ... "compiles with lua -c"
13:29.38Pneumatusand how does an author know if a library commit is stable, unstable, beta or otherwise
13:29.38FtH|Daemona;)
13:29.40durcynPneumatus: why?  releases go with the versions they're tested with
13:30.15EvilJohn-my biggest problem with all of this though, is not the goals, I think they're lofty, worthy, and noble
13:30.18FtH|Daemonayeah, the problem i see with something like the Ace framework is the mass amount of bundled libs
13:30.28OrionshockEvilJohn-: if i had a testing ground that i knew for sure when it was done was not going to fk up out in the wild, i'd push releases more often; however i have to test constantly with what i perseve as stable versions constantly.
13:30.28FtH|Daemonais there a way to still run standalone libs?
13:30.30EvilJohn-it's find addons correct and usable addons in curse
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13:31.04EvilJohn-Orionshock: you're talking about process, I'm talking about resources.
13:31.18durcynyou're confusing curseforge with curse a bit.
13:31.25PneumatusOrionshock: do you develop primarily on CF then port to wowace, or vice versa?
13:31.31b00gyhi is someone here who can help me a little with statblock_core/ldb? having a little trouble with the text on my block not updating
13:31.35OrionshockEvilJohn-: no im thinking big picture not little one :D
13:31.40nevcairielIf all goes well, Curse will not be the only release site the new WoWAce will support
13:31.46durcynb00gy: shoot
13:31.49EvilJohn-bah
13:31.51EvilJohn-arrogant.
13:32.03OrionshockPneumatus: mostly on CF, then once a week or so i push to wowace due to easier access fan base
13:32.25Pneumatusalso, much love for GuildCraft, and thanks for fixing the externals so promptly after i mailed you :)
13:32.45b00gydurcyn: well i have an sbc block and it does all i want except updating the text on my block, do i have to call something like update()? im setting all the .text .value fields...
13:32.48OrionshockPneumatus: sure, just a question, how many ppl in ur guild use it?
13:33.06Pneumatusid guess around 15
13:33.13durcynb00gy: no, just set the text on your event/onupdate/whatever.  it's up to the display to refresh it.
13:33.15Orionshocko.O
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13:33.54durcynb00gy: all this and more by the magic of callbacks
13:33.56Pneumatusmaybe more, but looking at my tailoring tab i have 10-15 crafters for lots of the items there
13:34.02b00gydurcyn: what do i do if it doesnt update then? i use statblock_core and it doesnt update the text :/
13:34.11durcynb00gy: what's your data source?
13:34.27OrionshockPneumatus: do u have the latest from wowace? if so & u can mouse over the fubar icon and see how many ppl are there
13:34.43Pneumatuslet me update it :)
13:34.50b00gyi overwrote the LoggingCombat function to set some text, so the /combatlog or a click on my block does change the text
13:34.54Orionshock<PROTECTED>
13:35.09Sarozaaaand Parrot dont work, who could have guessed
13:35.41durcynb00gy: you're not hearing me.  what's the data source, is it some published code, or something you wrote, or what?  what's the block?
13:36.01OrionshockSaroz: works for me :D
13:36.22Sarozheals dont
13:36.32b00gydurcyn: im not getting what you mean :D i wrote the lua code by myself its not public atm at least not in the sbc version
13:36.37Sarozself heals
13:36.50durcynb00gy: that's what i wanted to know.  can you pastey it?
13:36.58b00gydurcyn: sure, sec
13:36.58durcynand i mean pastey.net, not spam here.
13:37.22Sarozoh they do
13:37.57b00gydurcyn: http://ace.pastey.net/92033
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13:39.13Pneumatusjust updated to 78842... there's nothing on the mouseover of the fubar icon to say how many people are using it
13:39.22Orionshockoh
13:39.38Orionshockgo to options -> fubar opts -> Enable Extended Tooltip
13:40.17Orionshocki figured not everyone would care so i made that display optional
13:40.47Pneumatus"Show Version for Realm" is there, but not Enable Extended Tooltip
13:40.52Orionshockhehe
13:40.54Orionshockya that one
13:41.10Orionshocknote to self change name of that options to something else....
13:41.16Pneumatus41 in that list, but some are gonna be alts
13:41.25Orionshockfk me..
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13:41.56Pneumatusi just updated from wowace and my version says cursedistro :P
13:42.03OrionshockPneumatus: ?>
13:42.36Pneumatusnext to my char name it says "78842-Curse-Distro" where most of the guys have versions that say "-WoWAce-Distro" at the end of the version number
13:42.42durcynb00gy: just write an Update() function that calls _G.LoggingCombat() and sets up the display, why are you trying to hook?
13:43.04CIA-4503orionshock * r78848 10GuildCraft/core.lua: GuildCraft: typo in core, this is wowace not cf
13:43.37Pneumatusyou realise if someone is in more than one guild on a realm then all the guild craft info is saved (and probably shared) from all these other chars right?
13:43.47b00gydurcyn: to intercept the /combatlog, dont like polling
13:43.48Orionshocksorta
13:44.17b00gydurcyn: but that doesnt change my problem, its not the hook but the textdisplay that doesnt work
13:44.19OrionshockPneumatus: if ur in several guilds on the same server, then yes you'll see the merged data
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13:44.33durcynoh, buggrit, that doesn't generate an event?  how quaint.
13:44.46Orionshock& off line checks are also with in guild
13:44.48Pneumatusbut will my "guild a" data be synched to "guild b" with the new offline database sync thing?
13:45.22Orionshocknope due to logic checks, you have to be in the Offline table as populated by GuildRosterUpdate
13:45.30Pneumatusahh
13:45.57Orionshocknow if i added a Chat channel synch, then it would.. and i don't think i'll do that tbh
13:46.02Pneumatusso _i_ will have listings from both guilds but the guilds wont cross-populate
13:46.09Orionshockcorrect
13:46.16Pneumatusfair enough
13:46.43Orionshockand it's also limited to faction-realm, so if ur pve and have toons on both sides then u'll only see suff per faction per realm
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13:55.09b00gydurcyn: i found the 'error', if value doesnt actually change (only suffix) nothing happens
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14:05.01durcynb00gy: eh, i'd have to go back over the spec, but if you're not using value it should work on text
14:07.03b00gydurcy: so only text and not value+suffix should work then? i'll give it a try :) would also solve my coloring problem :P
14:08.08durcyni've got a local addon i use for displaying loot type, that i use only text for.  text changes update the display.
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14:10.28CIA-4503isler * r78849 10AtlasLoot/Constants/constants.cn.lua:
14:10.28CIA-45AtlasLoot:
14:10.28CIA-45- zhCN update
14:10.46b00gydurcan: that worked, didnt knew value+suffix and text were exclusive...well now i know :) thanks a lot
14:11.00b00gy*note to my self: learn typing*
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14:17.01Kaeltenhows it goin
14:19.02Lyn_*yawn* sleeep
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14:26.06Zyndromehttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v447/henroid/wowscrnshot071908163607cb7.jpg
14:26.07Zyndromeoh wtf
14:26.21Lyn_GIEF
14:26.29Lyn_is this engineer mount? *hope hope hope*
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14:27.27Zyndromeif it is, I'm happy I keeped the profession
14:27.44Zyndrome(and who doesn't want a helicopter?)
14:27.48Lyn_where do you look for screens?
14:28.01Zyndromejust getting them linked to me on IRC on occassion
14:28.08Lyn_:O
14:28.26Zyndrome(wtb beta key and I shall deliver)
14:28.32Lyn_me too
14:29.17Zyndromeif not, I can only pat myself on the back for being a Battlefield Heroes beta tester :<
14:29.57Lyn_what is battlefield? lol :p
14:30.04nevcairielEA does actually run beta tests? I thought they just sell the shit
14:30.11nevcairielOh wait, heroes, that was this free game, right?
14:30.19Zyndromeyeah
14:30.36nevcairielWhere you can buy additional stuff to make the game more fun
14:31.08Zyndromeif you're desperate
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14:31.59Fisker-nevcairiel they only run beta tests for commercial purposes of course
14:34.24Zyndromehttp://img339.imageshack.us/img339/867/wowscrnshot070208144618zg7.jpg
14:34.25Zyndromewhat an UI..
14:34.55Lyn_TUPAC IS ALIVE!
14:35.24MoonWitchI thought I'd seen it all
14:35.26KalrothWADDUP
14:35.31Lyn_!
14:35.31MoonWitchbut that ... dayumn
14:35.36MoonWitchLYN!
14:35.38Lyn_MOONY!
14:35.43thulthat was just bad, bad, bad.
14:35.51Lyn_lol @ the car buff
14:35.52MoonWitchI've just sent all my stuff to a friend (including gold)
14:36.00Lyn_woot?
14:36.17Lyn_you playin' europe now for srsly?
14:36.19MoonWitchit's called "now no way back, am EU"
14:36.21MoonWitchyah
14:36.29Lyn_:D
14:36.34MoonWitchi kept going back due to friends and money
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14:36.44Lyn_that sucks.. but hey, you can now sleep the whole night
14:36.58MoonWitchgetting rid of gold etc to friends, told people what my IM is ...
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14:37.02MoonWitchso yah
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14:37.04MoonWitchwb cnc
14:37.12Lyn_:)
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14:37.24Lyn_so i can make a DK on your realm and just goin on your nerves? lol :D
14:37.28Kaeltennevcairiel: we have a bad external in the repo
14:37.28Kaelten:s
14:37.28Kaeltendoes anyone have the time to track it down?  Its for libstub and i can give a list of likely targets
14:37.38MoonWitchyah
14:37.44MoonWitchgoing to play with cnc :)
14:37.52Lyn_ally or horde?
14:37.55nevcairielKaelten: just wait until the script is done?
14:37.56MoonWitchmagtheridon
14:38.02MoonWitchhorde
14:38.04Lyn_ah nice
14:38.17MoonWitchif you spoke english in your guild, i'd consider you lol
14:38.22MoonWitchbut german ain't my thing
14:38.33Lyn_haha
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14:39.05Lyn_yeah... sometimes i wish it wouldnt be my thing, too.. (guys who called themselves "beerdrinker" and stuff)
14:39.17MoonWitchI could learn, but do you reallllly wanna see a healer go "say that again in english" in the middle of archimonde
14:39.24Lyn_hahaha
14:39.26Lyn_yes!
14:39.45Lyn_"HEIL MICH ENDLICH" - "what?" - "dont say what again!" .. pulp fiction time :p
14:40.20MoonWitchso i has from now til sept to get bt ready from lvl1
14:40.22MoonWitch;)
14:40.30Lyn_gogo!
14:40.40MoonWitchI needz name for ma undead priest
14:40.41MoonWitchlol
14:40.48Lyn_Rottenbritney!
14:40.50Lyn_*fg*
14:40.53MoonWitchno
14:40.55MoonWitchlol
14:41.00Lyn_ohh ^^
14:41.07MoonWitchand rottennicole or rottenparis no
14:41.34Dark_Elfundeadmoonwitch
14:41.38Lyn_haha
14:41.45MoonWitchlol
14:41.50MoonWitchsee cnc said moonwitch too
14:41.57MoonWitchbut there's so many already :(
14:42.11MoonWitchbrb
14:42.17Lyn_rottenmoon! :p ... my undead priest name was the town "rotterdam"
14:43.22nevcairielWhy do people willingly play undeads
14:43.34ckknightnevcairiel: what's wrong with undead?
14:43.34VulcanusOH FFS
14:43.43nevcairielthey are freaking ugly
14:43.49ckknightI don't mind em
14:43.49VulcanusI went downtown to buy a game card cos the credit card thing didnt work
14:43.52VulcanusAND NOW THEY FIXED IT
14:43.55Vulcanusrararararara
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14:44.12Dark_Elfmaybe cause they can swim without drowning hehe
14:44.45Kaeltennevcairiel: ?
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14:44.57nevcairielDark_Elf: they changed that after beta, now they only have a 50% time bonus or so
14:45.20Lyn_mh..
14:46.35CIA-4503nevcairiel * r78850 10FeedMachine/: FeedMachine: fix externals
14:46.39nevcairielKaelten: i seriously hope the CF script is more resilient
14:46.40Industrialin that case why play wit a tauren or dwarf or gnome
14:46.53Industrialwith*
14:47.04Lyn_tauren = you like burgers
14:47.26durcynare you going to do pvp or pve with it, moonie?
14:47.31Lyn_dwarf = you are always drunk ... and gnome... you are... dunno
14:47.33durcynalso, i just called you moonie.
14:47.38durcynnm
14:47.40Kaeltennevcairiel: talking about the sync to curse script?
14:47.49nevcairielno the packager
14:49.42CIA-4503trasher * r78851 10AtlasLoot/Constants/constants.fr.lua:
14:49.42CIA-45AtlasLoot:
14:49.42CIA-45- frFR update
14:50.09CIA-4503kurax * r78852 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/ (6 files): AtlasLoot_BCInstances: Locale updates
14:51.12MoonWitchok back
14:51.23Lyn_:)
14:51.25MoonWitchyall do have a point regarding the moonwitch name lol
14:51.53MoonWitchcsi is distracting ..
14:52.00CIA-4503kurax * r78853 10AtlasLoot_Crafting/ (7 files): AtlasLoot_Crafting: Locales update
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14:52.20Lyn_my paladin has the same name as the csi:miami guy !
14:52.27MoonWitchhoratio?
14:52.36MoonWitchI love Calleigh
14:52.52Lyn_horatio, yes, but with a c, cause the t-one was already taken
14:53.16Lyn_everytime i'm coming online with him, i do it like the opening of csi:miami ... *sunglasses and YEAAAH* :D
14:53.36CIA-4503kurax * r78854 10AtlasLoot_OldInstances/ (7 files): AtlasLoot_OldInstances: Locales update
14:54.48MoonWitchonly good thing is that I can just change the realmlist.wtf (and probably config.wtf too)
14:54.57CIA-4503kurax * r78855 10AtlasLoot_RepFactions/ (7 files): AtlasLoot_RepFactions: Locales update
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14:55.21Lyn_:)
14:55.22Lyn_nice
14:58.46Pneumatushmm, i must be missing something using the latest versions of babble-boss and babble-zone
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15:00.26Hjalteckknight: "A new version of Cartographer3 has been detected. You have 3.0.8, Sobanator has 3.0.7.2. You can upgrade at http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/12701/" - Want a ticket on that?
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15:00.42ckknightyes, I do
15:00.47ckknightodd
15:00.56ckknightwonder why is misdetected
15:01.23Fisker-perhaps it thinks it's 308 vs. 3072
15:02.05Lyn_ckk, do you still work on pitbull2 ... or who works on it? cause i want vertical space, not only horizontal spacing for aura :x ... :)
15:02.59ckknightsorta
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15:18.48Pneumatusanyone know if the timed chests in za are on cartographer instanceloot, i cant see them for the life of me
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15:20.11Obelixprimehas anyone received a beta invite yet?
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15:23.09Pneumatusahh, PT-InstanceLoot doesnt have the ZA timed drops in it seems
15:24.28CIA-4503ananhaid * r78856 10Parrot/Locales/ (ParrotLocale-zhCN.lua ParrotLocale-zhTW.lua):
15:24.28CIA-45Parrot:
15:24.28CIA-45- zhCN/zhTW update.
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15:30.16KriLL3why doesn't [TalentTree(unit="target")] work?
15:30.25KriLL3player does, but I don't really need to know my own talent spec...
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15:44.21Hjalteckknight: The waypoint interface in Cartographer 3 does not support addons like Lightheaded at the moment?
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15:45.06KriLL3I doubt it
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15:53.51ckknightHjalte: it's the other way around
15:54.20ckknightHjalte: it forces QuestHelper support, through a hack, currently
15:54.35CIA-4503jwensley2 * r78857 10MageAnnounce/ (5 files):
15:54.35CIA-45MageAnnounce:
15:54.35CIA-45- updated to Ace3
15:54.35CIA-45- reordered and named some options
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15:56.35AckisDARKGuy: http://ackis.myminicity.com/sec :D
15:57.30Pneumatusanyone know if theres a localisation lib with talent tree names in?
15:58.33Fisker-Ackis
15:58.35Fisker-i need beta
15:58.42AckisFisker-: blow me?
15:58.47Ackishehe
15:58.48Ackis<3
15:59.14Fisker-for a beta key?
15:59.15Fisker-sure
16:00.07Ackislol
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16:06.24CIA-4503profalbert 07WotLK * r78858 10Parrot/:
16:06.24CIA-45Parrot:
16:06.24CIA-45- make WotLK-branch
16:08.35CIA-4503profalbert 07Parrot (newCombatLog) * r78859 10Parrot/:
16:08.35CIA-45Parrot:
16:08.35CIA-45- remove branch, as it was merged to trunk
16:09.48CIA-4503cwdg * r78860 10Decursive/localization.cn.lua:
16:09.48CIA-45Decursive:
16:09.48CIA-45- clean up...
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16:11.55AckisARL has surpased 100k downloads from the 3 major release sites
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16:29.31CIA-4503profalbert 07WotLK * r78861 10Parrot/Code/ (Display.lua Triggers.lua):
16:29.31CIA-45Parrot:
16:29.31CIA-45- make work with WotLK
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16:40.39smallbrainprofalber1: did you fix the thorns-not-showing-up (ret aura behaves the same btw) before merging it to trunk? ;)
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16:41.16sbSaroz!
16:41.54profalbertsmallbrain: i think, didn't test it though
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16:43.15Gnarfozprofalbert: funny how one always notices that one's nick is wrong only after you write something ;D
16:44.12profalbertpidgin kind of sucks as an IRC-client
16:44.32Gnarfozprobably, yes
16:45.28Fisker-giev beta Gnarfoz
16:45.29Fisker-;_;
16:45.36Gnarfozgiev beta Fisker-
16:45.39Gnarfoz=[
16:45.43profalberthides
16:45.48ChompersFisker-, give me a beta or love
16:45.49Chompersor both
16:45.54Fisker-no Chompers
16:45.57Fisker-giev beta Gnarfoz
16:46.02Fisker-i need ;_;
16:46.05Gnarfoz~kiss Fisker-
16:46.06purlACTION forces Fisker- to give Zicon a big kiss on the neck
16:46.11GnarfozI need too, but I don't have :(
16:46.37Kaeltenjust a reminder guys, we'll be answering questions regarding the wowace upgrade in #wowace-upgrade, starts in about 15 mins.
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16:47.18Josh_BorkeKaelten: logs available online afterwards? :-D
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16:47.37CIA-4503kneeki * r78862 10ClassButtons/Localization.lua:
16:47.37CIA-45ClassButtons:
16:47.38CIA-45- Removed hunter tracking skills from vert. bar.
16:47.41Kaeltenplanning on it josh
16:48.40profalbertGnarfoz: thorns are showing
16:48.48CIA-4503oridan * r78863 10SpellReminder/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
16:48.48CIA-45SpellReminder:
16:48.48CIA-45- ADD: Filter Priorities
16:48.58Gnarfozprofalbert: that's a good sign, then ;) I'll check pally aura soon
16:49.08KaeltenJosh_Borke: but yer welcome to sit in anyway :)
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16:50.43Josh_Borkei won't be around during
16:50.48Josh_Borkebut i'll pipe in afterwards :-)
16:50.58Josh_Borkeglad you're able to find time to do something about it :-)
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16:52.27Sarozsb
16:52.53sbmh nevermind "reset positions" fixed it ;0
16:52.59CIA-4503trasher * r78864 10AtlasLoot/Constants/constants.fr.lua:
16:52.59CIA-45AtlasLoot:
16:52.59CIA-45- frFR update
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16:53.09sbsRaidFrame issues with groups 1-5
16:53.40Kaeltengot about 10 mins guys
16:53.45Sarozreset positions
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16:55.27eliteevilyay, WAU got updated and doesn't crash when I open it! =D
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16:57.42HjalteDoes anyone know if there is a minimap button collector addon that isn't made of complete fail?
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16:58.12Kaelteneliteevil: :)
16:59.06nevcairielFor anyone that might be interested, a Q/A session about the upcoming changes to WoWAce will be held in #wowace-upgrade now. Join to listen or to ask :)
16:59.09eliteevilI'll assume that other things were changed too, but not having to move the stupid windows crash report out of my way each time is definite win.
17:00.19ZyndromeHjalte , I prefer Fubar2Broker + Fortress
17:00.51HjalteZyndrome: Well, I don't like to see my minimap buttons all of the time and I also don't need to see their text.
17:01.35KriLL3why doesn't [TalentTree(unit="target")] work?
17:01.41KriLL3player does, but I don't really need to know my own talent spec...
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17:01.53ckknightKriLL3: are they an enemy?
17:01.57KriLL3yeah
17:01.59Shirik...
17:02.02ckknightpvp enabled?
17:02.08KriLL3ofc
17:02.11Shirikstop trying to break game mechanics
17:02.12ckknightBlizzard disabled that ability
17:02.15Shirik:P
17:02.16ckknightso no soup for you
17:02.28KriLL3how can tiptac show me their spec then?
17:02.47Shirikit may make guesses or collect information and remember
17:03.04KriLL3certain auras etc?
17:03.19Shirikthere's a lot of ways you can make guesses
17:03.40HjalteZyndrome: Do you have a picture of your setup or is it just fubar-like?
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17:05.03ZyndromeI've setup my Fortress to only show the addons on mouseover
17:05.22Zyndromeand the minimap only has one button: BaudGear
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17:13.29Saroz[2008/07/21 19:13:04-34-x12]: AceEvent-2.0-66043:369: SendChatMessage(): Invalid escape code in chat message  ---
17:13.31Sarozfix :(
17:14.18nevcairielThats obviously not a Ace2 error
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17:19.30kenlyricstop invalid typing
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17:22.34CIA-4503saroz * r78865 10Parrot/Data/CombatEvents.lua: Parrot: Merge this fix
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17:46.02NeoTronlol@ leveling weapon skill as a warlock for demon form
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17:47.16profalberti have them at 346/349 ;)
17:47.19NeoTronmy druid MT friend will drool over this one: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/wotlk/items/rare/rareitem_044.jpg
17:47.41Dashkalooo, that's a pretty staff
17:47.47fewyni already am drooling nevcairiel
17:48.06thulnice ap on that on :-P
17:48.15NeoTronwow how weird - wonder if the "on use" is really meant to be "on use": http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/wotlk/items/rare/rareitem_050.jpg
17:48.21NeoTronnever seen an offhand with a use before like that
17:48.28Dashkalactually, I was thinking 1090 was pretty low for level 76, but the expertise is nice
17:48.28thulhmmm, anyone done any rogue-work in beta yet?
17:49.10silentiumckknight: thanks for fixing the outdated LibRollCall-3.0 reference in Cartographer_Waypoints.toc :) there is another one in Cartographer_GuildPositions.toc though
17:49.21NeoTronmy ioptions for beta is DK Tank or kep playign my Lock
17:49.28ckknightlame
17:49.31NeoTronI'm hoping to test DK in beta before I make a decision
17:50.04fewynSo let's say I'm interested in coding/working with lua for addons, I have some ideas for an addon or two but wouldn't have any idea where to start or what I'd need to know. Suggestions or halp?
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17:51.14ckknight~wowprogramming
17:51.15purlWorld of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com
17:51.22Dashkalfewyn: I used wowwiki and the source of other addons as my starting point.  And that, that book is nice
17:51.58NeoTroncan't wait for this week of raiding
17:52.03NeoTronour MT warrior and MT druid are both on vacation
17:52.11Pkekyo|anyone know what day it is?
17:52.23kenlyricso, Omen has now officially defeated KTM
17:52.25NeoTronso we'll be using our MT pally, holy-with-prot gear pally, 2nd feral druid and one of our dps warriors
17:52.25fewynmonday?
17:52.25Pneumatusdepends what tz you're in
17:52.33Pneumatuscould be monday, could be tuesday
17:52.41NeoTronkenlyric: "now"? you mean like a year ago ;-)
17:52.48kenlyricbut it's official now
17:52.50NeoTronkenlyric: did the KTM author fold the addon?
17:52.50kenlyrichttp://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/7/21/vacillation-street/
17:53.02Pkekyo|Pneumatus: GMT +2 during DST
17:53.24Pkekyo|the date is july 21st
17:53.26NeoTronahha. "Win Omen"
17:53.32Pneumatusits monday then :)
17:53.47NeoTron"No I'm angry that I understood all that shit." lol
17:53.59Pkekyo|thanks Pneumatus :P
17:54.14Dashkalrofl.  very nice
17:54.28NeoTrondid a 2nd Hyjal alt/pug run
17:54.40NeoTronno wipes until archimonde but we tried a few times and just called it
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18:00.07ashbhmmm - anyone know of any way of finding out what Attributes a frame has?
18:05.30Xueriankenlyric: You know, Achievements actually WOULD be fun to add to wow. Difficult maybe... but a interesting addon :p
18:07.09NeoTronso new wowace, will it have a "developer access" type download system still or only explicedly released stuff?
18:07.11kenlyric?
18:07.23kenlyricoh, you mean community made achievements
18:07.30kenlyricbecause uh, they are adding them to wow :)
18:07.51StanzillaNeoTron: /join #wowace-upgrade
18:08.29Tornhoofi'd like custom achievements, like most hated person on the server or something ;)
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18:11.54AiianeOn a complete aside, Kaelten, if you're going to use personal pronouns in announcements on CurseForge, you should probably have the main page display the authors of announcements, instead of having to click on them.
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18:12.12ckknightAiiane: I think there's already a ticket for that
18:12.18AiianeHeh
18:13.16Aiianeah yes, from Dashkal
18:13.34Dashkalsnickers
18:13.34fewynVulcanus needs to read msn messages
18:13.47Vulcanusfewyn needs to fix his msn to receive and send messages properly
18:13.50Aiianeposted 12 days ago... chop chop Kaelten! :P
18:13.52Vulcanusbecause fewyn hasnt replied to mine
18:13.52VulcanusXD
18:14.03Kaelten~lart Aiiane
18:14.03purlstabs Aiiane
18:14.04fewynstrange
18:14.27fewynrecionnects
18:16.59Xueriankenlyric: Uh. They are?
18:17.11kenlyricyou
18:17.12kenlyricrock
18:17.15kenlyricc/d?
18:17.25Xuerianc :D
18:17.26kenlyricactually, the you should have been under the rock
18:17.30Xuerian:(
18:17.43kenlyricseriously though
18:17.59kenlyricyou were joking I'm guessing, or you just got out of a coma
18:18.11XuerianNu, I haven't been paying attention to wow for a while...
18:18.20kenlyricwell, but you're on this channel
18:18.28XuerianUh-huh, and well
18:18.34Xueriancoma is about accurate, woke  up half a hour ago
18:18.35kenlyricthe big stuff is bound to catch your attention :)
18:18.40kenlyricdid you know the beta started?
18:18.51XuerianI didn't get my key :(
18:19.22ShaneSvellergive it time, they're "ramping up"
18:19.34Xueriankenlyric: Srsly though, achievements y/n?
18:19.44kenlyricyes
18:19.49kenlyric500 ready to go for wrath
18:19.54Xuerianwow, meet handbag
18:20.02kenlyricthough, "win omen" is not one of them
18:20.02Xuerianhandbag/wow, meet hell
18:21.21XuerianHm, where to download the client ahead of time...
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18:24.05Aiianehttp://wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Main_Page has download links, Xuerian
18:24.16XuerianAiiane: Much thanks
18:26.34Xueriansheds a tear at the druid/feral info page.
18:26.54XuerianThe only thing <Sniff> that makes me sad <Sniff-wipe> .. I won't be able to put points in each and every one
18:27.43selckinlol out of combat resurrect for druids
18:27.46selckinpff!
18:28.34XuerianGreh. Pfft. Inconsequential.
18:28.38XuerianInfected Wounds <3
18:29.57eliteevilhow about the 20% spell haste from crits with boomkin aura.. wtf is that.
18:30.28XuerianBalance is Irrelevant. You will be infected >_o
18:30.29DashkalXuerian: aren't they beautiful
18:30.31Dashkal?
18:30.45XuerianDashkal: Yes, yes they are! mmm om nom nom.
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18:32.28XuerianNoooooooo they removed the fun talents from shaman!
18:33.10eliteevilwhich?
18:33.28thulwhich talents? and any beta-rogues?
18:33.40XuerianImp shammy rage and weapon specialization
18:34.20Lyn_i hate ZA
18:35.03thulZos angeles?
18:35.40Lyn_no
18:35.42XuerianThe top-tier rogue talents scare me...
18:35.45Lyn_zulfu--ingaman
18:36.58thulXuerian: which of them?
18:37.34Xuerianthul: http://wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Rogue combat and sub.
18:37.39Tornhoofheh they added maelstrom weapon for that xuerian
18:37.52Tornhoofbut currently it's bugged or misdesigned
18:37.55XuerianTornhoof: As if I don't have enough mana!
18:38.01Xuerianer.
18:38.09Xuerian...
18:38.12thulXinhuan: what is so bad about them?
18:38.16XuerianI don't have enough mana already :p
18:38.18thulthey look ok, but not _that_ good?
18:38.28Xinhuanp.s. you are talking to the wrong person
18:38.32Xuerianthul: because a hero in dota has the combat one and it kills me every time >_>
18:38.36Tornhoofme neither xuerian, but you should in wotlk, no totem twisting anymore
18:38.46XuerianTornhoof: I run out  of mana WITHOUT twisting >_>
18:38.56Tornhoofuhm?
18:39.08XuerianOk to be fair... This is on a 60 twink in pvp...
18:39.10Tornhoofmanastream, watershield, bow?
18:39.23Tornhoofhehe
18:39.23XuerianAnd having 2k mana has a little to do with it
18:39.27Tornhoofhehe
18:39.36XuerianBUT NONTHELESS! >.o
18:40.22thulXinhuan:P the assasination three seems like a more pve-oriented tree now
18:40.28thulis that right?
18:41.15XuerianDid you just ping Xin again >_>
18:41.28thulfuck
18:41.30thul:-(
18:42.01thulI try, ok? :-P
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18:42.02Xuerianlol. Xu for me. Xi for him.
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18:47.05CIA-4503julith * r78866 10HealGraph/ (Graph.lua HealGraph.lua HealGraph.toc IncomingDamage.lua):
18:47.05CIA-45HealGraph:
18:47.05CIA-45- added first test version of displaying incoming damage
18:47.05CIA-45- added options for graphs
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19:02.52Gnarfozprofalbert: btw, does Parrot support the new (2.4.3) aura refreshes?
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19:03.11Groktarhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202274143&sid=1
19:03.15Groktarlol @ towerofpower
19:03.37profalbertGnarfoz: not yet... there's a little more to it, cause refreshs still fire SPELL_AURA_REMOVED-events
19:03.48Gnarfozwth, why would they do it like that
19:03.53Gnarfozblizzard >_>
19:04.39Stanzillahttp://bp0.blogger.com/_ynOlmkpsf8U/SGH9EN_tfFI/AAAAAAAAAUQ/0G97xXyntKA/s1600/Dimfall_Issue013HIGH.jpg
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19:05.33NeoTronGnarfoz: ah right that. I need to add support to CC timers in MagicTargets now when refreshes count
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19:06.49GnarfozNeoTron: yeah ;) I think I can think of a handful of addons that aren't yet making use of the new refresh events that probably should
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19:07.37NeoTronI don't support timers at all right now because there was no way for me to see when it got refreshed
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19:08.10Diaohmm
19:08.29DiaoGroktar plays on daggerspine huh
19:12.42Groktarhehe
19:12.44Groktarya
19:13.44Diaohmm
19:14.04KriLL3can you join a team ab from a solo ab?
19:14.05Diaocouple friends and i rolled alli there since our mains are blackrock horde
19:14.13Diaohope you're still selling t6 when we hit 70 :P
19:14.24Diaodon't worry, we have experience ;p
19:14.30Lysitheawhat's a good mail addon? I miss the open all button etc
19:14.37Diaoi use jebusmail
19:15.05SarozHealGraph is win
19:15.15Groktarblackrock?
19:15.19Groktarwho were your mains?
19:15.43Diaohttp://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blackrock&n=Diaox
19:15.47Diaoignore the low hp
19:15.49Diaothat's my threat set :P
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19:16.13Groktarkk, was wondering if you had anything to do with nwtr/unruly people
19:16.32Groktarbecause i know they came from blackrock, then went back, then rerolled alliance
19:16.43Diaonah
19:16.50Diaowe still play blackrock as main/raid
19:16.56Diaowe just rolled on daggerspine to pvp
19:16.59Diaolol
19:17.03LysitheaDiao found on wowace?
19:17.07Diaoyes Lysithea
19:17.11Lysitheathanks
19:17.14LysitheaIll try it out
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19:20.57ZidomoPostal works too
19:21.44CIA-4503oridan * r78867 10SpellReminder/core.lua:
19:21.44CIA-45SpellReminder:
19:21.44CIA-45- remove bar update throttling as a temporary fix to some jerky bars.
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19:30.18HjalteIs the EU login servers down?
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19:33.26profalbertHjalte: seems like it, our hyjal-prot-pally can't get in :(
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19:38.53fewynitunes is a pain in the ass
19:38.54Lysitheafinally got on the server
19:39.11LysitheaDiao jebusmail dont have an open all button :|
19:39.25Diaoo_O
19:39.28Diaotake all?
19:39.34Diaomy mail does
19:39.35Lysitheawhere?
19:40.09harldephinhugs purl
19:40.15Diaohmm
19:40.15Diaowait
19:40.57Lysitheathink you might have another addon that does that
19:41.01fewyn~lart Vulcanus
19:41.01purlplops Vulcanus into a giant vat of herring
19:41.11Vulcanus~lart fewyn
19:41.11purloverclocks fewyn until fewyn burns out
19:41.14Lysitheacause this one adds friends alts guildmates and sound on mail
19:41.26Lysitheacant find anything else in the options, no new buttons
19:41.34Diaolol
19:41.36Diaolet me check my addon list
19:41.47Diaocould've sworn i deleted all my other mail addons before adding jebusmail
19:41.47Lysithea:)
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19:44.59Diaooh
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19:45.08Diaoit's bulkmail
19:45.10Diaobut that's out of date
19:45.11Diaolol
19:45.16Diaoworks fine still though
19:45.33fewyni use postal
19:45.36fewynover bulkmail
19:45.48Diaoi didn't like postal's format
19:45.54Diaopersonal preference though
19:45.55Zidomoit has open all
19:46.42fewynopen all is all i really need
19:46.46Lysitheapostal didnt like the several-items-in-one-mail when alt clicking
19:46.56Lysitheait just mailed them one at a time
19:46.56fewynyou can turn that off Lyn_
19:46.57fewynLysithea
19:47.05Lyn_;)
19:47.12Lysitheaoh, true, you probably can... im just retarded
19:47.23Lysitheachecking... :>
19:47.39fewynthe little arrow torwards the top of the window
19:47.41fewynclick it
19:48.06Lysitheawill it still automail on full tho?
19:48.15fewyni don't think so
19:48.21Lysitheaoh well
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20:16.48Adyshas AceConfig been fully updated for wlk?
20:16.57nevcairielwho knows
20:17.01nevcairielwe fixed one bug
20:17.12nevcairielbut most of us dont have access yet
20:17.18AdysI get some error "AceConfigCmd-3.0.lua:683: AceConfigRegistry-3.0: ValidateOptionsTable(): unknown error
20:17.19nevcairielso we cant confirm everything is working
20:17.59nevcairieltell blizz to hurry with the author keys and i'll test the whole Ace3 suite :P
20:18.15nevcairielbut right now .. :/
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20:23.37NeoTronauthor keys = win
20:23.58HjalteOur healers fail at keeping the tanks up on Kalecgos :( My guild fails.
20:24.31AiianeI will sympathize with you Hjalte when my guild manages to make it into Sunwell :P
20:24.38sbtwins here :p
20:24.41NeoTronHjalte: not too uncommon of a problem
20:24.47selckinHjalte: once they learn sunwell = big heals only, things will be fine
20:24.49NeoTronwe STILL have tanks dying there
20:24.54sbit worked well with conflag on healers only (forward :p)
20:25.11sbbut dps fails on conflag (reverse)
20:25.12NeoTronsb: did you try to reverse it?
20:25.18NeoTronhehe
20:25.31nevcairielconflag wasnt an issue for us
20:25.33selckindoes anyone have some 2.4.3 combatlogs for me please? preferably of fullish bt/mh/sunwell runs
20:25.38nevcairieland imho reverse is easier
20:25.47sbnevcairiel: yup, also think so
20:25.49NeoTronwe enver tried "forward"
20:25.53sbbut its heavy raid damage :)
20:26.00NeoTronto us it seemed reverse was easier so we went that way
20:26.02nevcairielwell phase1 is the same
20:26.12nevcairieland phase2 is less dmg than phas1
20:26.12CIA-4503trasher * r78868 10SpellReminder/locale/frFR.lua:
20:26.12CIA-45SpellReminder:
20:26.12CIA-45- frFR fix
20:26.13sbtalking about p1 :0
20:26.15NeoTronI heard phase 1 is a bit harder in reverse
20:26.17nevcairielso it should be fine
20:26.19NeoTronand p2 is super easy
20:26.20sbyep it is
20:26.27sb40% p1 now...
20:26.28selckinthing i hate most about sunwell is need you to rebalance for every boss
20:26.31sband me OOM :(
20:26.42sbneed innervates *sigh*
20:26.52NeoTronSP? Class?
20:26.58sbCoH priest ;)
20:27.03NeoTronselckin: mainly twins and muru
20:27.23NeoTronin terms of ratios between roles
20:27.29nevcairielevery setup kinda needs a unique setup
20:27.30NeoTronbut yeah lots of micromanagement
20:27.44nevcairielkalecgos needs 3-4 tanks, a decent amount of healers
20:28.19NeoTron3 tanks, 8-9 healers. pretty normal.
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20:28.28nevcairielbrut is 2 tanks 7-8 healers, felmyst then again 1 tank and 1 prot pala and more healers
20:28.29selckinpff, can't find any raw combatlogs, and i quit raiding :( how can i test now
20:28.30NeoTronbrut with 2 tanks, 7 healers for us
20:28.37NeoTronfelmyst 2 tanks 8-9 healers
20:28.48nevcairielwe do kalecgos with 4 tanks, its a bit smoother
20:28.48NeoTronbut we can easily bring a third tank to felmyst
20:28.49AdysIs there a working addon for wlk that improves error msgs?
20:28.56Adysas in makes the frame bigger at least
20:28.59NeoTronnevcairiel: I can see how it'd be better
20:29.15NeoTronAdys: once I get in I'll tell you!
20:29.38Adysor is there a way to get the content of an error msg ><
20:29.52selckinHjalte: can be tanks fault for a big part too, i remember our taking portal and instant taunting on the other side at 50% hp, and dumb stuff lke that :p
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20:30.28Oewynhas anyone used eeshards before?
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20:31.14PolarinaOewyn: Ask your question.
20:31.47OewynHow to i access the configuration menu for eeshards?
20:32.07Aiianedoes /eeshards not work?
20:32.08PolarinaOewyn: /eeshard
20:32.18Aiianeor that
20:32.23Oewynthere is absolutely no documentation for it included in the mod.. I'm looking at the core.lua file and it appears to have a menu, but //eeshard does nothing
20:32.33Oewynor /eeshards
20:32.41PolarinaOewyn: Can you DCC me the file?
20:32.54Aiianeits on ace svn
20:32.56Dark_Elfif its ace3 ya can do /ace3
20:32.57Aiianejust pull it from there?
20:32.59PolarinaOr better yet, pastey it.
20:33.18AiianeOewyn - check to make sure it's loaded, too :)
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20:33.48Oewynhow much of it did you get before i got kicked?
20:33.51Oewynyeah i made sure it was loaded
20:34.28PolarinaOewyn: Pastey!
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20:34.34Oewynit's 72 lines
20:34.48Aiianeace.pastey.net
20:34.53PolarinaOewyn: You're lucky we didn't get a single line of it.
20:35.04Oewyni pm'ed it
20:35.08Oewynnot stupid enough to post it in the channel
20:35.28PolarinaOewyn: Got the first line, that's all.
20:35.41AiianePMs have flood limits too
20:35.55Oewynhttp://ace.pastey.net/92112
20:36.28Aiianeseems like /eeShards should work
20:36.36Aiianedo you have lua errors turned on?
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20:37.05OewynI don't know why it would be turned off.
20:37.19Oewyni can list the mod
20:37.21Oewyni can load the mod
20:37.40Oewyni can enable the mod, i just can't access the menu.
20:37.51PolarinaOewyn: Turn it on.
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20:38.58Oewynwhere do i turn it on?
20:39.36Aiianeinterface options...um, forget which section its under
20:39.38CIA-4503bam * r78869 10ItemPrice-1.1/ItemPrice-1.1.lua:
20:39.38CIA-45ItemPrice-1.1:
20:39.39CIA-45- Price updates.
20:40.24CIA-4503hegarol * r78870 10AtlasLoot/ (5 files in 4 dirs):
20:40.24CIA-45AtlasLoot:
20:40.24CIA-45- sets section changes
20:41.13OewynI enabled it and i got no lua errors when i loaded/enabled it
20:41.14CIA-4503hegarol * r78871 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/sets.en.lua:
20:41.14CIA-45AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP:
20:41.14CIA-45- loot structure changes
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20:45.27Oewynany ideas?
20:45.54NeoTronreminds me that a good lock addon still would have a place
20:46.05PolarinaOewyn: Try to open up the menu.
20:46.21NeoTronis there a shard addon that allows me to specify the least number of available inventory slots?
20:46.31Aiianehm
20:46.42Oewynhow do i open the menu?
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20:46.50Aiianeif there isn't, I might have to see about making a patch for eeshards, NeoTron :P
20:47.15NeoTronI always thought that was the better thing
20:47.20Aiianewell
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20:47.23NeoTronI don't care how many shards I have as long as I have space to loot stuff
20:47.35AiianeI typically just run eeshards set to my shard bag size
20:47.42Aiianeunless i'm specifically stocking up for something
20:47.47Aiianein which case i just turn autodeletion off
20:47.53Fisker-i can have 400 shards in a bag
20:48.04NeoTronFisker-: shards of love man
20:48.18Fisker-no iukj
20:48.20Fisker-no iu
20:48.21Fisker-no u
20:48.24Aiianethrows a rotten banana at Fisker-
20:48.29Fisker-no u :(
20:48.33OewynNeotron, are you using eeshards right now?
20:48.54NeoTronnoope
20:48.56CIA-4503xuerian * r78872 10XLootMaster/ (8 files in 2 dirs): XLootMaster: Bumped TOC, organized localizations.
20:49.11NeoTronI used ShardAce and finally replaced it since autobar handles the lock specific "toolbar" I liked from it
20:49.15Oewynhow do you open up the ace option menu?
20:49.15NeoTronI use nothing now
20:49.28NeoTronOewyn: to configure ace2 addons I recommend Niagara
20:49.39NeoTronassuming eeshards is ace2
20:49.52XuerianNiagara, or rock
20:50.11NeoTronscissors
20:50.14NeoTrondoh you win
20:50.37XuerianAssuming you have rock* (From any of ckk's addons... pitbull, parrot, cowtip, etc...)
20:50.59NeoTronany ui > no ui / dropdowns :)
20:51.35XuerianEhh, shaddup
20:53.20NeoTronjust saying configuring ace2 addons from 10 level dropdowns is no fun. one of the initial "wtflol" things I had when starting to move towards a more aced set of addons
20:53.34XuerianHey, at least mine aren't ten level
20:53.43XuerianEndless loop, maybe...
20:53.45Xuerianbut not ten level!
20:53.46NeoTronspeaking of dropdowns, it's really annoying when I try to do something in a dropdown and every time someone in the raid zones, the dropdown is closes
20:53.59NeoTronhappens with, for example, recount
20:54.06NeoTron<PROTECTED>
20:54.09Hjalteselckin: Did you get some combat logs?
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20:54.41selckinHjalte: no :(
20:54.50Hjalteselckin: Do you want 3 hours in Sunwell?
20:54.58NeoTronI have a combat log from BT/Archi/Muru trash
20:55.04NeoTronI think
20:55.40HjalteIs it bad when I have 1.320 KB of "An action was blocked in combat because of taint from Ace2 - RaidGroupButton1:Show()" lines in my taint.log after just one raid?
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20:56.00nevcairielDo you run AuldLangSyne?
20:56.12nevcairielwith the friendlist plugin enabled
20:56.14HjalteMe? No.
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20:56.27nevcairielany other addon that modifys your friendlist?
20:56.52HjalteHmm. StatBlock_Folks, maybe.
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20:57.06Funkeh`no it doesn't
20:57.12Funkeh`thats a simple friends review
20:57.47Stanzillateknicolor or so?
20:58.06HjalteUsing Chatter to make my life colourfull
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20:58.53Oewynoh well, i give up, eeshards deleted
20:59.46HjalteGuildFilter makes me able to search and such for the guild pane, I'm not sure if it touches the frends pane as well.
21:00.18nevcairielHm could be that it taints the whole UI
21:00.20nevcairielbut dunno
21:00.23nevcairielshouldnt really
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21:03.12copystringXLoot is incompatible with RBM? wth
21:03.50Xueriancopystring: I saw something about that... I really have no idea
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21:04.21copystring:<
21:05.04XuerianDun even know what rbm is >_>
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21:05.15copystringhttp://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=12443.0
21:05.23fewynyawn
21:05.27fewynitunes is the devil
21:05.45selckin1did someone have logs for me? i got disconnected :(
21:08.12Xueriancopystring: Only one post about it in XLoot's thread, and it's a truckload of memory allocation errors from acelib. I'm just curious what is conflicting between rbm and xloot.
21:08.40copystringi just found this http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=12443.msg226431#msg226431
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21:09.48Xueriancopystring: If you run the two, could you pastey all the errors you get? Also try with just xloot, and then the modules too. (AnchorsAway can be disabled without the other modules running) -- All of the posts just say it's those three at a time that cause the errors, no mention about anything xloot is doing.
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21:10.01Xueriancopystring: If you don't,  nevermind.
21:10.02NeoTroncan you get someone's professions programatically?
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21:10.19XuerianNeoTron: Caching the armory?
21:10.25NeoTronno thanks :P
21:10.28copystringbuggrabber doesnt log all of them, i get 10 errors atm..
21:10.29NeoTronit's not that important. heh'
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21:11.11Xueriancopystring: Well, whatever errors you do get that aren't just "acelib memory whatnot"
21:11.32copystringmostly nil
21:11.36NeoTronXuerian: you reminded me that I need to make, especially, a new master looter  addon
21:11.49copystringfor each .lua in /Addons/XLoot/
21:11.55NeoTronmore specifically some sort of raid loot handling addon
21:11.59Xuerian0_o
21:12.08XuerianOh?
21:12.10[Ammo]NeoTron: MasterLoot
21:12.17[Ammo]by moi
21:12.23Trell_XLoot is awesome too
21:12.25NeoTron[Ammo]: orly? any page?
21:12.25Trell_well, imo
21:12.30[Ammo]wowinterface
21:12.33[Ammo]seek it out :p
21:12.36[Ammo]or wowace
21:12.39NeoTronI use xloot
21:12.48XuerianAmmo's is here http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9180-MasterLoot.html
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21:12.54[Ammo]well masterloot only replaces the masterloot menu
21:12.58NeoTronbut xloot is unmaintaned (bugs sometimes) and doesn't do cool stuff
21:13.10Trell_i've never had any issues with it
21:13.12NeoTron[Ammo]: a maintained master loot window addon is not a bad thing
21:13.17NeoTronTrell_: I have. sometimes it freaks out
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21:13.19XuerianNeoTron: If it bugs, perhaps you should post it in my thread :P
21:13.41Trell_and I love the guild/raid/rw spam :P
21:13.43copystringhttp://pastebin.com/d2f979086 http://pastebin.com/dcf5afed 2 examples
21:14.00NeoTronXuerian: I got the impression last time I checked tghat thread that no one was maintaining it
21:14.14NeoTron[Ammo]: so basically a sorted master loot menu.
21:14.29NeoTronmy addon idea could be used in addition to such an addon really
21:14.48Trell_NeoTron; is it you that handles MagicMarker - and is it still being updated
21:14.52[Ammo]NeoTron: mine sorts by class
21:14.52XuerianNeoTron: I check it a couple times a month at least.
21:14.54[Ammo]in submenus
21:14.58[Ammo]using the blizzard dropdown menu
21:15.04NeoTronTrell_: it's me. haven't done anything in a few weeks but yes
21:15.12[Ammo]and adds self and random loot
21:15.21XuerianNeoTron: At the very least, post the errors/circumstances.
21:15.29NeoTronXuerian: if I get it again I will
21:15.34NeoTronit's not common
21:15.39Trell_I had an issue with it in ZA, but I didn't SS it, and I can't recall what the problem was now - I'll try and replicate it again later in the week >_<  not very helpful I know.
21:21.12dibsterIs there any way to track mobs you are in combat with? Like using the Threat-2.0 lib or something?
21:21.28NeoTrondibster: MagicTargets perhaps. it's more meant for a raid environment
21:21.42NeoTronbut will keep track of mobs you've targeted or moused over (or members of the party/raid)
21:21.56dibsterI was thinking of raid yes, to keep track of trashmobs in sunwell
21:22.00NeoTronbut it doesn't try to track the health of mobs not currently targeted
21:22.10NeoTronthen yes, MagicTargets is what you want >:-) /plug
21:22.18dibsterhealth doesnt matter :-) ty
21:22.24NeoTronhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9098-MagicTargets.html has some screenshots
21:22.39NeoTronwell in a raid environment it'll show you health (as well as tank/cc status and number of people targeting the mob)
21:23.17dibsteri will give it a shot, it looks good from the screenshots, thank you very much
21:23.45NeoTronpeople in my raid (just normal players, not raid leader typeS) like it too
21:24.13NeoTronironically I made it due to wanting to keep track of ... trash mobs in SWP
21:24.26NeoTronbecause sometimes I forgot we had a sheep left or what not
21:24.56dibsteryeah, i dont know if its just me, but theres sheeps everywhere in sunwell ;)
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21:25.47NeoTronif you go with 7 mages you can pretty much go with 1 tank. it's sheep heaven
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21:27.31dibsteryellow = being tanked/taking damage/not cc'ed, blue = cc'ed?
21:29.23NeoTrongreen = tanked, yellow = not doing anything, blue = cc, red = killing ur healers
21:29.26NeoTroncolors are configrable
21:29.56NeoTronthere's a bug with warrior tanks now - if they are not in the oRA MT list they aren't considered tanks
21:30.24NeoTronpally / druid works (although admittedly pally I should check talents too - a holy pally might use righteous fury for the damage decrease w/o being a tank)
21:30.45DashkalOfficial (blizzard) WotLK talent calcs are up: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/talent-index/wrath.html
21:31.09NeoTronwonder if this means they feel reasonbly final with talents or if they feel it's easy enough to change
21:31.25NeoTronaha they might be newer than beta
21:32.00Arrowmasterthey posted TBC talents up in beta then changed them
21:32.11NeoTronimproved soul leech will be hot
21:32.18dibsterwe are not using ora or mt targets at all :(
21:32.28NeoTronI'd imagine a 12k crit hit would be possible for example. that's 3.6k mana returned
21:32.31NeoTronwoop
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21:32.51NeoTrondibster: I'll see if I can fix that bug tonight
21:33.06Arrowmasteri wonder how much the DS nerf is going to effect our damage output
21:33.25DashkalNeoTron: for at least two classes (Hunter and Paladin) those are only first draft.  I'll be surprised if the don't change.
21:34.20NeoTronArrowmaster: I hoped not to have to get DS anymore
21:34.33NeoTroni.e I wish they made the imp a mobile totem, immune to indirect/aoe damage
21:34.59NeoTronif I still have to spec 0/21/50 I'll cry sad tears at Blizzards fail
21:35.21Arrowmasteryeah DS was too good
21:35.29HjalteI agree with NeoTron
21:35.52NeoTron"We want Warlocks to gain benefit from using their pets in PvE, not destroying them for buffs. Demonic Sacrafice was originally created for situations where having a pet out wasn't as viable. Today, that situation is/should be coming less frequent. We realize that is because of issues with the pets (mana regeneration, some are too fragile, etc.) which are have/will be addressing."
21:35.59HjalteThey have to make sure the imp stays alive though
21:36.06NeoTronfrom Koraa on beta forums (class designer dev)
21:37.03NeoTronbut hunter pets now get 75% aoe damage reduction, hunters have a non-channeled heal and all hunter pets have more health/armor than any warlock pet pretty much
21:37.06ArrowmasterDS was too good but but some of the other major bad things about warlocks countered it some but those seem to be getting addressed by talents
21:37.17Arrowmasterlike our spells costing more mana than other classes
21:37.36NeoTronI really hope we'll see aff locks with fel hunters out, demo with felguard (but for the love of god make felguards better), destro with imps (firing bolts of doom)
21:37.47NeoTronImp Soul Leech...
21:37.51NeoTron./drool
21:38.06Dashkalthe new mark of blood looks nifty
21:38.09NeoTroneven today a normal shadow bolt would return 1600ish mana on a non-crit in a raid
21:38.10Arrowmasteryeah im hoping affliction with fel hunter makes the felhunter actually gain back more mana
21:38.17NeoTronyep
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21:38.23NeoTronI wonder what Expel Magic is
21:38.31Arrowmasterif it does then it fixes the problem with darkpact
21:38.32NeoTronsounds like he eats it and then, err, poops it out
21:38.37DashkalThe marked mob now heals its target for 2% of the target's max health on damage.  Very nasty to anything with a fast attack speed (feral druids in PvP?)
21:38.45Arrowmasterbecause i have issues lifetaping in raids sometimes
21:38.48DashkalHope that has a hideen CD
21:38.54NeoTronyeah
21:38.58profalbertckknight: ping
21:39.02NeoTronmuru w/o a shadow priest is pretty iffy for example
21:39.03ckknightprofalbert: pong
21:39.06ckknightwhat's up?
21:39.15Arrowmasterbut other times its the best thing to do since ive got tons of hots on me or something
21:39.19Neyauhm, that official talentcalculator was kinda off, wrong number of points and they are wrong stats on the talents and so on ^^
21:39.24Arrowmasterbut lifetaping on kalec is bad for me
21:39.31NeoTronthat too
21:39.39NeoTronalthough it got a lot better once they fixed revitalize
21:39.54NeoTronbasically I taop on the inside, get revitalize and nuke without using mana for the most part
21:40.06NeoTronNeya: the official calculatur might be correct
21:40.17NeoTronlike the page says - it might be more up to date than beta
21:40.56DashkalNeya: at least for DK, those talents that are different look different from anything I've seen before.  I'm guessing newer rather than older
21:41.06CIA-4503ag * r78873 10Fortress/Core.lua:
21:41.06CIA-45Fortress:
21:41.06CIA-45- fix tooltips not working
21:41.10NeyaI was mostly thinking of the fact that it states that all three tier1 restotalents for druids are 5 pointers.
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21:44.18ArrowmasterNeoTron: i think they need to unnerf the spelldamage to pet spell damage some though
21:46.24NeoTronperhaps. I admit I ahven't tested imp damage since that nerf
21:46.50Arrowmasterwell shadow bite does shadow damage
21:47.12Arrowmasterand as a melee attack i want to see that hit perty hard
21:47.19Arrowmastervs firebolt
21:49.02Neyawtf, blizzards talents ofr the hunters are messed up, you can't take aimed shot if you have more than 1 of the 5 points in the talent required for aimed shot xD
21:49.40Aiianecan you take it if you have only 1?
21:50.09Neyaaye.
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21:52.49*** part/#wowace kapowaz (n=kapowaz@sequoia.wyredforest.net)
21:56.20NeoTronNeya: lol
21:56.29NeoTronNeya: mayne it's a bit buggy
21:56.56NeoTronyou are indeed correct.
21:57.04NeyaI considered that as the most probable reason aye.
21:57.36NeoTronso I wonder which tree will be the primary DK tanking tree
21:58.04Aiianethey're all tanking trees o.0
21:58.07profalbertNeoTron: I just asked that myself... how do I spend my first 5 talent points
21:58.09NeoTronwell one has to be better
21:58.15NeoTronheh
21:58.18Aiianeblood is single-target tanking, frost is aoe tanking, and unholy is spell tanking, iirc
21:58.19Neyahaha
21:58.22NeoTronI guess it might depend on the role
21:58.26NeoTroncurious
21:58.32NeoTronthat's unique and fun I guess
21:58.57Aiianeso i suppose raid-wise, we might see a leaning towards unholy
21:59.11Aiianesince your tankadins would be aoe, and your druids would be single-target
21:59.16NeoTronI'm possibly going to go as our tank DK
21:59.19Aiiane(ah, warriors... :P)
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21:59.40NeoTronI'm our lock tank today, and have a prot pally I've tanked with
21:59.48Aiianebut who knows, blood might end up being better balanced
21:59.56Aiianefor general, all-purpose tanking
21:59.59Aiianeso people might like that
22:00.05NeoTronin addition I'm the GL, RL and have missed like 5-8 days of raiding since Karazhan.
22:00.08Aiianein the end, hard to say until things are finalized
22:00.14DottedFunkeh` ping
22:00.23Funkeh`no
22:00.23AiianeI'm not the GL, but I'm a RL and have missed about as many ;)
22:00.45AiianeFunkeh`, just use "gnop".
22:00.56Aiianeit's like pong, except not. and sounds a lot like no.
22:01.22*** join/#wowace Corveroth (i=Corverot@ip68-7-112-80.sd.sd.cox.net)
22:01.40NeoTronbaically I predict we'll lose maybe 5-6 people due to them not having a DK raiding spot
22:01.48Aiianelol
22:02.08FtH|Daemonadamn, i should have gone to WWI ...
22:02.12NeoTronand honestly leaders are prioritized. rogue CL is likely going DPS DK. I might (or not) go tank DKP and then we have one more random DPS DK and that's it
22:02.28FtH|Daemona... i got holidays and i am bored
22:02.39NeoTronleaders are leader for a reason. like they are really good players, long term in the guild with good attendance :P
22:02.41FtH|Daemonaand those who went to wwi got their keys already :/
22:02.41Aiianeyour healing lead should go DK as well. absolutely nothing could possibly go wrong with that plan.
22:03.17NeoTronheh
22:03.18NeoTronno
22:03.21Aiiane:P
22:03.36NeoTronwe have 3 rogues. one going DKP and a shaman going rogue most likely
22:03.41DashkalI'm thinking (especially if the dual-spec bit gets in) Blood/Raid DPS, and Magic tank (unholy?)
22:03.49Aiianedkp? :P
22:03.53Aiianedeathknight plus?
22:03.56NeoTronyep
22:04.03NeoTrontypo ftw
22:04.21Aiianeyeah, unholy seems to be spelltank tree Dashkal
22:04.39Dashkalbut then tanking seems to be a trispec no matter what kind of tank you wanna be
22:04.54Aiianepretty much, just where you focus
22:05.01Dashkaljust lean more into unholy for spells (I wouldn't wanna spelltank without the spell deflection from blood)
22:05.43NeoTronI figured if I get into beta I'll look at it a bit closer
22:05.50PrimerSo, Warlocks, what do you think the grinding spec from 70-80 will be?
22:05.51NeoTronit's still in flux so not putting too much effort into it
22:05.57NeoTronaffliction
22:05.59NeoTronalways affliction
22:06.07PrimerI agree
22:06.09NeoTrondemo works too but with haunt affliction will be the bomb
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22:06.17PrimerI'm liking the warlock talents
22:06.29Primerit seems that you just can't go wrong with any choices you make
22:06.30NeoTronyeah I like them now. used to be wtflol but it's much better
22:06.49Aiianehmm... anyone know offhand what event would fire after an item has been validated on a tooltip SetHyperlink call?
22:06.54Aiianepokes Arrowmaster
22:07.01NeoTronI do hope they fix it so haunt and UA get interrupt protection
22:07.07AiianeOnTooltipSetItem doesn't appear to wait until validation
22:07.15NeoTronAiiane: I don't think there's an event is there?
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22:07.25NeoTronIn MagicDKP I just have a callout call
22:07.41AiianeBlah. Guess I'll just check on a time delay then.
22:07.48CIA-4503Corveroth * r78874 10DrumCoord/ (. Core.lua):
22:07.48CIA-45DrumCoord:
22:07.48CIA-45-Externals fix and cleanup
22:07.48PrimerNeoTron: Is there some "default" set of marks one can import into MM?
22:07.58AiianeMagicMarker_Data?
22:08.02Aiianeor does that not come with marks
22:08.18AiianeI mean, technically everything comes with marks... all default to medium priority
22:08.19NeoTronset of marks no
22:08.29NeoTronMM_Data has instance / cc type stuff
22:08.34PrimerI mean, I just want to be the leader, and hover over shit "out of the box"
22:08.41NeoTronI was going to add default set of marks that is more complete than just for the tank
22:08.51Aiianeyou can do that out of the box, Primer
22:08.52NeoTronby defauly all it does is to mark stuff with tank targets
22:08.58Aiianeit just wont be all that intelligent with priorities
22:09.11Primerok, that's what I'm after
22:09.18Primerout of the box intelligent marking
22:09.20NeoTronMM_Data should hoepfully add some priorites and stuff but it won't use crowd controlling
22:09.31NeoTronyou can't just be "intelligent" without data though
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22:09.55Primerwell, considering that most instances are well known
22:10.05Primerand that fights rarely, if ever, differ
22:10.05NeoTronsomeone needs to add the data
22:10.13NeoTronit can't just "know' taht stuff
22:10.17Primerso...give me your data!
22:10.21NeoTronthat is the purpose of MM_Data though
22:10.23Aiianeand priorities vary from guild to guild
22:10.41NeoTronMM_Data is the "best" of what you're looking for
22:11.08NeoTronit's data from a third party project to create a MM database
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22:11.38Primersounds like what I want, thanks
22:12.07NeoTronit imports the data once and it has quite a lot of instances of various completeness
22:12.16Zhinjioanyone out there an IT manager who looks at resumes alot? I'd like someone to look mine over and make sure I'm not making stupid mistakes.
22:14.44ArrowmasterAiiane: not an event, the func in tooltip:SetScript("OnTooltipSetItem", function(tooltip) if tooltip:GetItem() then ... end end) gets called
22:15.09Aiianethat's what I meant, Arrowmaster
22:15.12PrimerZhinjio: I used to be one
22:15.19Aiianewhen it gets called, the item hasn't been validated yet, I tried
22:15.32Arrowmasterit should get called again when it is validated
22:15.39Aiianeonly got a single call :/
22:15.47Arrowmasterthats why the if tooltip:GetItem() is there
22:16.10Arrowmasterno clue then
22:16.21Aiianeyeah... I tried it without even that, just a basic function that gave a debug output... it only gets called once
22:16.42NeoTronthey just need a "PossiblyGetItemInfo" call instead of this stupid "setting a tooltip" crap
22:16.56AiianeIndeed
22:17.19Aiianeor just something like ForceGetItemInfo
22:17.28NeoTronjust hate that it disconnects you
22:17.47NeoTronif the item isn't cacheable I mean
22:17.48AiianeI suppose that's to prevent people just spamming attempts to validate every single itemid
22:18.34Aiiane"sure, you can try, but it will take you a very, very long time"
22:18.41NeoTronright
22:18.53NeoTronit's pretty intentional
22:19.01NeoTronbut it seems silly now with things liek wowdb or heck wowarmory
22:19.34PolarinaThere are some rules you can follow that can guarantee a item lookup won't disconnect you.
22:19.57Aiianeorly, Polarina?
22:20.01PolarinaOne of it is that it a item is sold by a vendor, it'll always be on the servers' cache.
22:20.11PolarinaSuch as reagents.
22:20.39PolarinaUnless such a vendor is located in a instance.
22:20.44NeoTronsure but those aren't usually what you want to lookup :P
22:21.21AiianeI'm more looking for something that given an arbitrary itemid, would tell you whether or not looking it up would result in a dc ;)
22:21.26Aiianebut I doubt such exists
22:21.33NeoTronyep
22:21.36Aiianesince it would defeat the point of the dc in the first place
22:21.42NeoTronI added conditional lookup in MDKP
22:21.52KodyWe just announced another contest for authors: http://wow.curse.com/articles/details/12079/
22:21.54NeoTronat first I had it automatic but realized soon that was a bad idea
22:22.09PolarinaKody: The beta key thing is not a contest.
22:22.18KodyYeah good point :P
22:23.03selckin1they disabled the dc for a few weeks a few months back
22:23.23PolarinaAiiane: Looking up a item that is not on the servers' cache won't disconnect you unless you spam such requests.
22:23.41AiianeI know.
22:23.55Aiianealthough it can be a bit finicky at times.
22:24.04NeoTronit's not "server cache" but "battlegroup cache"
22:24.07NeoTronactually
22:24.20Aiianeyeah, since /inspect works in battlegrounds
22:24.27Aiianeit'd be an issue if it were server-based
22:24.32PolarinaNeoTron: Yes.
22:24.34NeoTroni.e we have Kil'jaeden items w/o anyu kills
22:24.49PolarinaNeoTron: A battlegroup runs on a single server.
22:25.03NeoTronno
22:25.04PolarinaNeoTron: Although possibly clustered, like some MySQL databases. :)
22:25.08Aiianenot exactly
22:25.08NeoTronbut a battlegroup uses the same database
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22:25.13Aiianeit runs in a single server *farm*
22:25.23NeoTronmultiple servers, one datasourse
22:25.25NeoTrondatasource
22:25.33NeoTronwhich most likely is an oracle database
22:29.01Xinhuantime to read wowace forums ;p
22:31.58CIA-4503profalbert * r78875 10Parrot/Data/CombatEvents.lua:
22:31.58CIA-45Parrot:
22:31.58CIA-45- fix typo that prevented HoTs from showing
22:35.18ZhinjioPrimer: fully compliant now, no more errors. Thanks again.
22:35.47PrimerZhinjio: my pleasure
22:36.18Zhinjiothe CSS validates as well. Looking good.
22:37.51Aiianehtml resume? :)
22:40.03Zhinjioyes.
22:40.20Zhinjioso much better than trying to send SXW files
22:40.33Zhinjio(application is for consulting position at SUN Micro)
22:41.00Zhinjiofor a manager I used to work for there before.
22:41.13Zhinjioso its pretty much a lock, but I want things to be polished.
22:42.30Xinhuanhmm half an hour gone and i've only read 10% of my "unread posts since last visit" ~_~
22:42.48selckin1mark all as read is the best feature
22:42.58Xinhuani dn't actually want to do that though ;p
22:43.10selckin1i broke my chair :(
22:46.51Zhinjioalright!!! My table repair utility looks like its working perfectly
22:46.55Zhinjionow to really beat the shit out of it.
22:48.15NeoTronZhinjio: my dining table could use some repair. how do I use it? ;-0
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22:49.40Zhinjiojust /skg repairlists!! whamo. fixed.
22:49.43Zhinjiogrins.
22:50.37Polarinadevelops a Java interpreter in Lua.
22:51.20DashkalPolarina: oh please?  I'd love to code in java :p
22:51.31Pneumatusthen develop a lua interpreter to run in the java interpreter
22:51.37Pneumatusfor additional fun
22:51.55PolarinaDashkal: And it'll be JIT compiler.
22:52.10DashkalThe sad thing?  I'd be all over such a project if it actually happened.
22:52.53Pneumatusclassloot's java data grabber is the most horrible bit of java i've ever written... i really need to do something with it
22:54.31VonhintenHOME`I love how these multiboxing shaman claim their using multiple keyboards when clearly it's botting software, and blizzard still let's them get away with it
22:54.36Gagorian!ap 422
22:54.37Xinhuan422 rating gives 106(5s), 94(3s) and 81(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)
22:54.38NeoTronPolarina: are you serious or just pulling some legs?
22:54.39Gagorian!ar 422
22:54.47Gagorian!points 422
22:54.48CIA-4503ag * r78876 10Fortress/Core.lua:
22:54.48CIA-45Fortress:
22:54.48CIA-45- tooltip tweak
22:54.48Xinhuan422 arena points require 1567(5s), 1611(3s) and 1665(2s) team rating.
22:54.59CIA-4503ag * r78877 10Broker_PvP/Broker_PvP.lua: Broker_PvP: use .tooltiptext
22:55.25NeoTronI know someone that made LPC (yes the language of LPMUD's) to LISP translator or something along those lines. it was.. bizarre
22:55.28VonhintenHOME`s/their/they're
22:55.45PolarinaNeoTron: Serious.
22:56.39Aiianebleh. .net 3.5 installer is being stupid.
23:02.50NeoTronPolarina: for use in WoW or something else? (because that's sort of scary)
23:03.44PolarinaNeoTron: Both.
23:03.55PolarinaNeoTron: Lua isn't restricted to WoW only.
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23:12.21NeoTronI know that
23:13.33fewynowies :( a friend just showed me a SS of his UI http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb10/wordaen/vash_screenie.jpg
23:14.03selckin1fail
23:14.12CIA-4503trasher * r78878 10SpellReminder/locale/frFR.lua:
23:14.12CIA-45SpellReminder:
23:14.12CIA-45- frFR update
23:14.13VonhintenHOME`reminds me of the old blind person telephones with 2inch numbers
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23:16.11Orionshockgood morning all
23:17.00Xuerianfewyn: Either the song current playing or my mind screamed "MAYDAY" when that loaded.
23:17.14fewynxD
23:17.15fewynyea
23:17.23fewynit makes my eyes hurt
23:18.10XuerianStep 1: Baggins/Combuctor/etc. Step 2: Spellbinder & oPie.
23:18.44fewynyea he won't listen to me, i just wanted to see how his bars where setup
23:19.33XuerianAieh -_-;
23:19.39XuerianI really don't want to know what raid time looks like
23:20.25selckin1we started asking for ui screenshot in guild applications few months ago
23:20.29selckin1showed some interesting stuff
23:21.36Vulcanusby "interesting" do you mean "cancer forming"? :p
23:22.21fewynprobably cancer forming
23:24.14Paenemmmm cancer
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23:33.10Paene~seen cladhaire
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23:36.11NivFreakhrmm
23:36.21NivFreakdoes mobnotes have a browser interface?
23:36.44ZhinjioNivFreak: sorry I didn't get a release out last night. I just finished testing though
23:36.52Zhinjioshould have it out the door within the next hour or so
23:37.21NivFreakI'd rather have stable than fast ;)
23:37.26NivFreakso no biggie
23:39.42kaelten#wowace-upgrade chat starts in 20 mins for those who are interested
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23:40.18CIA-4503mfg * r78879 10StatBlock_Combatlog/ (10 files in 2 dirs):
23:40.18CIA-45StatBlock_Combatlog: initial commit
23:40.18CIA-45- StatBlockCore for en-/disabling your combatlog
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23:44.09thulttp://img.4chan.org/b/src/1216682818259.jpg
23:44.25Zyndromebetter fix that url
23:45.13CorverothImage is OLD
23:45.54Xuerianimage won't even come up o_0
23:47.32DashkalI so should have known better...
23:47.36CIA-4503zhinjio * r78880 10/branches/SKG/ (17 files in 2 dirs):
23:47.36CIA-45SuicideKingsGeo :
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23:48.17ZhinjioJesus. I didn't realize the list was that long.
23:48.22Zyndromex|
23:48.29Zyndromehttp://www.ea.com/redalert/factions-empire.jsp?id=YurikoOmega <- wtf EA?
23:48.57Dashkalsighs
23:49.04DashkalEA consumed westwood I take it?
23:49.29Xuerian0_o
23:49.30Xuerianwtf?
23:49.53ZyndromeEA is The Blob of the gaming industry
23:54.10[dRaCo]is there an ETA for RA3?

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