IRC log for #wowace on 20080714

`00:01.26`	`thul`	`bah`
`00:01.27`	`thul`	`silence`
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`00:17.16`	`RaydenUni`	`why can't wow be on a dvd?`
`00:17.16`	`RaydenUni`	`will take me forever to install`
`00:17.16`	`Azurewrath`	`just download the client?`
`00:17.40`	`RaydenUni`	`think i can install everything in 1 hour?`
`00:17.41`	`RaydenUni`	`where?`
`00:17.47`	`kenlyric`	`no`
`00:17.56`	`kenlyric`	`the client is not usually kept up to date`
`00:18.08`	`kenlyric`	`it might be at 2.3, if you're lucky, but I don't think it is`
`00:18.13`	`Azurewrath`	`login to your account.. blizz provides download links there`
`00:18.35`	`kenlyric`	`you have to go to the 10 day trial for vanilla wow, and your account management page for tbc.`
`00:18.36`	`RaydenUni`	`trywow.exe?`
`00:18.41`	`Azurewrath`	`and since your CDs will be version 1.x or something it will go faster to just download the 2.0 client i guess`
`00:18.53`	`CIA-44`	`03funkydude * r78360 10StatBlockCore/StatBlockCore.lua: StatBlockCore: Better tooltip management`
`00:19.03`	`kenlyric`	`he's right, wow really needs a single install base.`
`00:19.14`	`kenlyric`	`I really hope Wrath gives us a complete install`
`00:19.17`	`RaydenUni`	`oh i see`
`00:19.35`	`Aquavette2k1`	`hey when you call a function without any variables its just this right? : myfunction();`
`00:20.20`	`RaydenUni`	`going to take 3 hours`
`00:20.21`	`RaydenUni`	`grr`
`00:20.31`	`RaydenUni`	`why didn't i remember to save the wow directory`
`00:20.32`	`RaydenUni`	`oh wait`
`00:20.35`	`RaydenUni`	`it's on my usb drive!`
`00:20.37`	`kenlyric`	`https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/download_wow.html`
`00:21.01`	`RaydenUni`	`mag is in 1 hour`
`00:21.02`	`RaydenUni`	`heh`
`00:22.29`	`kenlyric`	`it's unnecessarily convoluted, and will be more so when wrath comes out.`
`00:22.38`	`*** join/#wowace Azurewrath (i=Azurewra@77.47.50.17)`
`00:23.16`	`RaydenUni`	`why is there no BC full install?`
`00:23.16`	`RaydenUni`	`grr`
`00:24.36`	`lilum`	`you can make your own DVD installs`
`00:25.36`	`RaydenUni`	`stupid usb`
`00:25.39`	`RaydenUni`	`keeps disconnecting`
`00:28.35`	`RaydenUni`	`the BC download is going faster than the wow one`
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`00:33.37`	`Pkekyo\|`	`why didn't they make a 28 months later movie yet? :p`
`00:34.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`well considering how 28 weeks later ended`
`00:34.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont think theres much left 28 months later`
`00:35.10`	`Pkekyo\|`	`well, it's the next logical step as far as titles go...`
`00:35.18`	`Pkekyo\|`	`or maybe 28 weeks and 28 days later....`
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`00:37.25`	`kenlyric`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:37.41`	`kenlyric`	`the original ending doesn't lead itself to any sequel.`
`00:37.57`	`kenlyric`	`28 weeks later was just a really long alternate ending to 28 days later.`
`00:38.40`	`CIA-44`	`03yleaf * r78361 10RBM/Locales/zhCN.lua: RBM: zhCN update`
`00:40.51`	`Pkekyo\|`	`well, it sure sets up for a second sequel`
`00:44.22`	`CIA-44`	`03LordFarlander * r78362 10Coconuts/ (Coconuts.lua locals/localisation.lua):`
`00:44.23`	`CIA-44`	`Coconuts:`
`00:44.23`	`CIA-44`	`MiniPet:`
`00:44.23`	`CIA-44`	`- Can now add and list favorites and zone favorites from the slash command`
`00:44.23`	`CIA-44`	`- UpgradeChecking is now done in OnProfileChanged, which is called to initialize on app load`
`00:45.34`	`*** join/#wowace Aiiane (n=Aiiane@starfire.ST.HMC.Edu)`
`00:46.51`	`CIA-44`	`makerocketgonow: 03Tekkub 07master * r021fb80 10/: Update README`
`00:47.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`kenlyric: but 28 days later did have a happy ending.....`
`00:47.23`	`kenlyric`	`yes, keep reading what I wrote`
`00:49.19`	`kenlyric`	`at least america is still safe!`
`00:50.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont remember it being`
`00:53.29`	`CIA-44`	`03funkydude * r78363 10StatBlock_TimeInFight/ (. StatBlock_TimeInFight.lua StatBlock_TimeInFight.toc): StatBlock_TimeInFight: Import`
`00:55.28`	`CIA-44`	`makerocketgonow: 03Tekkub 07master * r73e355e 10/: Open our frame relative to where the clicked frame is positioned`
`00:57.03`	`kenlyric`	`well, the virus escapes to france, but it still seems to have trouble getting over the ocean on its own`
`00:57.08`	`kenlyric`	`so, theoretically safe`
`00:58.17`	`theoddone33`	`28 days later had a happy ending I thought`
`00:58.34`	`theoddone33`	`at least I was glad it was over because it was highly overrated (ZING!)`
`00:59.13`	`kenlyric`	`yes`
`00:59.22`	`CIA-44`	`makerocketgonow: 03Tekkub 07master * r2406188 10/: Meh, typos in README`
`00:59.35`	`kenlyric`	`what I said was "the only reason they made 28 weeks later is the studio wanted them to tack on a happy ending to 28 days later"`
`00:59.56`	`kenlyric`	`so they didn't get the original everyone is dead ending that they wanted.`
`01:00.32`	`theoddone33`	`ah`
`01:01.28`	`theoddone33`	`now that I think about it`
`01:01.34`	`theoddone33`	`the ending did feel a bit tacked on`
`01:01.47`	`kenlyric`	`I liked 28 weeks later, but probably would have liked it a lot more if it wasn't a sequel to the first movie`
`01:01.55`	`theoddone33`	`didn't see it`
`01:02.02`	`theoddone33`	`had some attractive woman in it though if I remember`
`01:02.55`	`kenlyric`	`the main character through much of it was very believable.`
`01:03.10`	`kenlyric`	`you don't gotta run faster than the zombies. You only gotta run faster than your wife.`
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`01:22.28`	`RaydenUni`	`woot`
`01:22.33`	`RaydenUni`	`41.95% crit on my druid`
`01:22.35`	`RaydenUni`	`raid buffed`
`01:22.46`	`[dRaCo]`	`including totems and stuff?`
`01:22.53`	`RaydenUni`	`no`
`01:22.55`	`RaydenUni`	`ZA buffed`
`01:22.59`	`RaydenUni`	`druid, paladin`
`01:23.12`	`RaydenUni`	`food, and scroll`
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`01:48.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`RaydenUni: how much AP?`
`01:49.05`	`RaydenUni`	`i now have 41.03% crit, and 3071 ap`
`01:49.12`	`RaydenUni`	`ran out of my scroll buffs`
`01:49.49`	`RaydenUni`	`http://armorylite.com/us/Eitrigg/petahoof`
`01:52.06`	`theoddone33`	`petahoof heh`
`01:52.54`	`RaydenUni`	`has nothing to do with animals`
`01:52.57`	`RaydenUni`	`though that's what everyone thinks`
`01:53.07`	`RaydenUni`	`gigahoof was taken`
`01:53.21`	`theoddone33`	`my gear score isn't bad`
`01:53.23`	`theoddone33`	`I guess...`
`01:53.23`	`RaydenUni`	`so went to the next biggest number`
`01:53.50`	`RaydenUni`	`name?`
`01:53.57`	`RaydenUni`	`and realm?`
`01:54.00`	`theoddone33`	`http://armorylite.com/us/spirestone/exwonder`
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`01:54.20`	`theoddone33`	`my gear is pretty bad so ...eh`
`01:55.31`	`RaydenUni`	`http://wow-heroes.com/index.php`
`01:55.38`	`RaydenUni`	`cool cause it lets you compare two characters`
`01:56.07`	`RaydenUni`	`odd`
`01:56.11`	`RaydenUni`	`it likes all your gear more than mine`
`01:56.16`	`RaydenUni`	`but gives me a much bigger score`
`01:57.16`	`vithos`	`lol@the instance difficulty bar thing`
`01:57.27`	`vithos`	`sunwell is easy!`
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`01:59.16`	`RaydenUni`	`omg`
`01:59.20`	`RaydenUni`	`3 wipes on akil'zon`
`01:59.28`	`theoddone33`	`yeah this compare thing is a little weird`
`01:59.28`	`Tekkub`	`I like heroes over imba just because it links to head for upgrade`
`01:59.39`	`Tekkub`	`armory's item search blows`
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`02:01.24`	`RaydenUni`	`yeah it does`
`02:01.26`	`RaydenUni`	`i never useit`
`02:02.05`	`theoddone33`	`I guess I just don't understand the gear rater`
`02:02.14`	`theoddone33`	`or at least I don't understand the final scores`
`02:02.35`	`vithos`	`yay, just wiped the raid on illidan due to a silent FD failure`
`02:02.38`	`vithos`	`i love this game`
`02:02.57`	`kenlyric`	`silent huh`
`02:03.04`	`kenlyric`	`did it whisper?`
`02:03.39`	`Xinhuan`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903741719`
`02:03.41`	`Xinhuan`	`lol`
`02:03.42`	`kenlyric`	`the individual gear is probably compared based on stats your class needs weighted. The overall gear score is probably just from ilevel.`
`02:03.45`	`vithos`	`silent as in not a resist, or threat missed the resist`
`02:03.50`	`Xinhuan`	`how korean raids differ from us/eu raids`
`02:04.40`	`kenlyric`	`the major difference is that it's starcraft.`
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`02:05.06`	`theoddone33`	`oh`
`02:05.12`	`theoddone33`	`yeah the value is item level`
`02:05.29`	`theoddone33`	`it doesn't appear to weight gems`
`02:05.33`	`theoddone33`	`enchants it has crazy little numbers on`
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`02:15.06`	`Aiiane`	`and the values displayed appear to include whatever buffs were on the armory at the time`
`02:16.20`	`RaydenUni`	`finally downed akil'zon`
`02:17.02`	`Aiiane`	`grats ;)`
`02:17.13`	`Aiiane`	`first down, or do you mean this reset?`
`02:17.57`	`RaydenUni`	`no`
`02:18.00`	`RaydenUni`	`just tonight`
`02:18.02`	`RaydenUni`	`took us forever`
`02:18.09`	`RaydenUni`	`we did him in 2 tries last week`
`02:18.10`	`Aiiane`	`heh`
`02:18.19`	`RaydenUni`	`first try peopple didn't understand the storm`
`02:18.21`	`RaydenUni`	`and then we had him`
`02:18.26`	`RaydenUni`	`tonight we wiped 3 or 4 times`
`02:18.29`	`Aiiane`	`our ZA run tonight was smooth sailing, 1shot everything >.>`
`02:18.56`	`RaydenUni`	`i've only ever killed the first 2 bosses`
`02:19.21`	`Aiiane`	`mm. what class?`
`02:19.30`	`RaydenUni`	`shadowpriest and feral druid`
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`02:19.36`	`RaydenUni`	`shadowpriest has attempted the third boss`
`02:19.40`	`RaydenUni`	`but we never got him`
`02:19.46`	`RaydenUni`	`had mana problems`
`02:19.53`	`RaydenUni`	`guild was doing invite only ZA runs and they had mana problems`
`02:20.00`	`RaydenUni`	`never invited me (the shadow priest) though`
`02:20.07`	`Aiiane`	`which boss are you doing third?`
`02:20.18`	`selckin`	`sounds like you're seriously undergeared`
`02:20.20`	`RaydenUni`	`halazzi`
`02:20.25`	`RaydenUni`	`meh`
`02:20.28`	`RaydenUni`	`that guild is doing TK now`
`02:20.37`	`RaydenUni`	`my spriest isn't undergeared`
`02:20.53`	`RaydenUni`	`http://armorylite.com/us/destromath/raydenuni`
`02:20.54`	`Aeyan`	`In my ZA PUGs, we usually make it to the Hex Lord before hitting a brick wall, hehe`
`02:20.57`	`Aeyan`	`On average`
`02:21.11`	`RaydenUni`	`1100 +spell on my priest`
`02:21.48`	`Aiiane`	`more sounds like the rest are undergeared then`
`02:21.55`	`RaydenUni`	`some`
`02:21.58`	`Xinhuan`	`he means your raid on overall is undergeared ;p`
`02:22.00`	`RaydenUni`	`most of the people were geared i thought`
`02:22.20`	`Aiiane`	`what are/were your healers' names`
`02:22.22`	`RaydenUni`	`i only ever did him twice`
`02:22.23`	`RaydenUni`	`uh`
`02:22.25`	`Xinhuan`	`a T6 geared group can do 4 chests with 12 minutes to spare ^^`
`02:22.26`	`RaydenUni`	`i forget`
`02:22.41`	`RaydenUni`	`i've heard to do the 4 chests you have to hae a pally tank go round everything up and then dps`
`02:22.42`	`RaydenUni`	`for the trash`
`02:22.51`	`Aiiane`	`not exactly`
`02:22.51`	`RaydenUni`	`http://www.wowarmory.com/guild-info.xml?r=Destromath&n=l+Misfits+l&p=1`
`02:22.53`	`RaydenUni`	`my guild`
`02:22.54`	`Xinhuan`	`we're talking about 2 minutes to kill lynx and eagle bosses (2 lightning phases max)`
`02:22.58`	`Aiiane`	`you just have to be both efficient and geared`
`02:23.01`	`selckin`	`RaydenUni: thats not true at all`
`02:23.08`	`RaydenUni`	`that's just what i've heard`
`02:23.15`	`Xinhuan`	`how many "lightning phases" do you go through on eagle?`
`02:23.23`	`RaydenUni`	`me?`
`02:23.26`	`Xinhuan`	`yah`
`02:23.30`	`RaydenUni`	`it's been a while since i did ZA with those guys`
`02:23.31`	`RaydenUni`	`no idea`
`02:23.31`	`selckin`	`we have like warrior/druid tank and ~10 min to spare`
`02:23.54`	`RaydenUni`	`guild was doing gruul/mag and ZA`
`02:24.04`	`Xinhuan`	`the fastest kill order is bear -> dragon -> eagle -> lynx`
`02:24.11`	`RaydenUni`	`why is that?`
`02:24.33`	`Aiiane`	`less backtracking`
`02:24.34`	`Xinhuan`	`this order allows you to skip a lot of trash`
`02:24.40`	`Xinhuan`	`and yes, backtracking`
`02:24.42`	`Aiiane`	`but eagle->bear->dragon->lynx also works`
`02:24.56`	`selckin`	`we always go last way`
`02:25.01`	`Xinhuan`	`for eg, eagle -> lynx, you skip 1 pack that you would otherwise need to kill from dragon -> lynx`
`02:25.12`	`Aiiane`	`nah`
`02:25.15`	`Xinhuan`	`and the hut-jump-thru skips 4 packs`
`02:25.15`	`Aiiane`	`you can ride around that pack`
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`02:25.27`	`Xinhuan`	`yeah but you normally end up waiting for the pack to go away so you waste a min anyway`
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`02:25.40`	`Aiiane`	`not really`
`02:26.28`	`selckin`	`hut-jump sounds hackish? :)`
`02:26.36`	`Xinhuan`	`not at all`
`02:26.36`	`Aiiane`	`no selckin`
`02:26.42`	`Aiiane`	`just not following the road`
`02:26.46`	`Xinhuan`	`on the way to lynx boss, there are 2 huts on the left`
`02:26.46`	`Aiiane`	`but instead walking around huts`
`02:26.52`	`Xinhuan`	`if you jump thru the window of that hut`
`02:26.54`	`Xinhuan`	`you skip 4 packs`
`02:27.05`	`Xinhuan`	`and the first pack you kill is really just the beastmaster+2crocs`
`02:27.16`	`selckin`	`hmm`
`02:27.21`	`Aiiane`	`well`
`02:27.23`	`selckin`	`can't visualise it`
`02:27.25`	`Aiiane`	`there's the kitties by the hut`
`02:27.31`	`Aiiane`	`but thats about it before then`
`02:27.32`	`Xinhuan`	`yeah you need to clear that 1 pack`
`02:27.39`	`Xinhuan`	`its just a small pack of panthers`
`02:27.44`	`Xinhuan`	`before the window`
`02:27.58`	`selckin`	`the really big hut? with the npc? :\`
`02:27.59`	`Aiiane`	`if i were still in ghostlands id go get you a screenshot of it selckin, heh`
`02:28.02`	`Aiiane`	`unfortunately im not`
`02:28.06`	`Aiiane`	`no selckin`
`02:28.08`	`Aiiane`	`way before that`
`02:28.09`	`Xinhuan`	`selckin, no that hut is on the right side ;p`
`02:28.13`	`Xinhuan`	`we're talking about the left`
`02:28.15`	`Aiiane`	`right as you're entering lynx's aready`
`02:28.19`	`Aiiane`	`*area`
`02:28.20`	`Xinhuan`	`there's 2 smaller 1-storey huts`
`02:28.47`	`Xinhuan`	`there's 2 smaller 1-storey huts on the left, and 1 big 2-storey hut on the right with an friendly NPC in it`
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`02:28.58`	`Xinhuan`	`"new guilds" would clear the path between them, kiling 4 packs`
`02:29.12`	`Aiiane`	`sec, i can get an illustrated map tho`
`02:29.13`	`Xinhuan`	`people that know the shortcut just clear the pack on the left, and jump thru the hut windows`
`02:29.23`	`selckin`	`oh`
`02:29.38`	`selckin`	`think we clear the packs then`
`02:29.47`	`Xinhuan`	`skipping those 4 packs saves like 6 minutes`
`02:29.58`	`selckin`	`we usually have 8 min spare`
`02:30.02`	`selckin`	`at least`
`02:31.02`	`selckin`	`we hug hex lord's wall, passing the big hut`
`02:31.13`	`Xinhuan`	`ah, that's a lot slower`
`02:31.13`	`selckin`	`really don't how which huts you mean :p`
`02:31.20`	`Xinhuan`	`we're talking about the 2 huts on the other side`
`02:31.27`	`Xinhuan`	`of the path`
`02:31.36`	`selckin`	`i've probably never explored there really`
`02:31.46`	`Xinhuan`	`you pass by them everytime!`
`02:31.55`	`selckin`	`healthbars are all i see`
`02:32.00`	`Aiiane`	`map coming up!`
`02:32.12`	`Xinhuan`	`ok after you kill the lynx boss, an "exit" door opens right? if you exit by there and turn sharp right, you go back thru the huts`
`02:32.19`	`Aiiane`	`http://aiiane.net/images/zalynxmap.jpg`
`02:32.21`	`Xinhuan`	`normally by your method, you exit and turn sharp left`
`02:32.27`	`Xinhuan`	`which goes back to the crocs area`
`02:32.32`	`Aiiane`	`red dots are huts`
`02:32.37`	`Aiiane`	`yellow line is path`
`02:33.14`	`selckin`	`i'm so going to make my group take this route and mess up adn lose the chest :p`
`02:33.25`	`Xinhuan`	`if you go by the yellow line, you only need to kill 1 pack, consisting of 1 elite and 8 panthers or so`
`02:33.25`	`Aiiane`	`nah`
`02:33.28`	`Aiiane`	`just go back after a run`
`02:33.31`	`Xinhuan`	`jump thru the huts, then next pack is 2 crocs`
`02:33.31`	`Aiiane`	`and look at it`
`02:33.36`	`Aiiane`	`after all the trash is gone`
`02:33.59`	`selckin`	`:)`
`02:34.36`	`Xinhuan`	`p.s. you cannot jump thru the hut on a fat bear mount ;p`
`02:34.51`	`Aiiane`	`btw Xinhuan`
`02:35.11`	`Aiiane`	`we prefer eagle->bear->dhawk->lynx because you dont ever have to ride back across the center island`
`02:35.20`	`Xinhuan`	`ya we used that one too`
`02:35.38`	`Xinhuan`	`but we found that doing bear->hawk->eagle->lynx was about 1 min faster for some reason`
`02:35.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`hm`
`02:35.58`	`Gnarfoz`	`that image`
`02:36.04`	`Xinhuan`	`had this raid we had THREE wipes`
`02:36.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`do you walk on some ledge?`
`02:36.07`	`Xinhuan`	`and still completed 4 chests`
`02:36.10`	`Xinhuan`	`yes Gnarfoz`
`02:36.18`	`Gnarfoz`	`ah, hm.`
`02:36.24`	`Xinhuan`	`you can also jump up there from hawk boss`
`02:36.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`I'll have to bookmark that one, then.`
`02:36.27`	`Aiiane`	`(also, refresh for pink line from dhawk to lynx)`
`02:36.29`	`Xinhuan`	`so you don't have to walk over`
`02:36.44`	`Gnarfoz`	`could you like, put in your entire route, if it's not too much work? :>`
`02:36.45`	`Xinhuan`	`basically, Aiiane's diagram works both ways`
`02:36.53`	`Xinhuan`	`its there`
`02:36.57`	`Xinhuan`	`its a standard route`
`02:37.01`	`Aiiane`	`one sec Gnarfoz`
`02:37.11`	`Aiiane`	`and I'll get you a clean single route`
`02:37.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`I don't see how bear -> dhawk -> eagly -> lynx could be faster because there's bound to be pathing you walk over twice, if I'm not terribly mistaken oO`
`02:37.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`hm, actually`
`02:37.48`	`Aiiane`	`well, there is for eagle too`
`02:37.52`	`Aiiane`	`er, eagle->bear`
`02:37.55`	`Aiiane`	`but its not that much`
`02:38.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`we've never tried that way, you seem to be walking across some waterfall oO`
`02:38.08`	`Xinhuan`	`you are Gnarfoz`
`02:38.13`	`Aiiane`	`yes, there's a rock ledge there`
`02:38.17`	`Xinhuan`	`after kiling eagle, you just jump down into the waterfall on the left`
`02:38.20`	`Aiiane`	`right at the top of the waterfall`
`02:38.20`	`Xinhuan`	`and ride across`
`02:38.26`	`Xinhuan`	`on the top`
`02:38.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`we manage to do it with our eagle -> bear -> dhawk -> lynx route, but only if we don't fuck up at all`
`02:38.47`	`selckin`	`more drums!`
`02:38.51`	`Xinhuan`	`more dps`
`02:38.55`	`selckin`	`(our running joke)`
`02:39.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`it's not dps we're lacking, really ^^`
`02:39.08`	`selckin`	`whenever someone complains about performance everyone goes more drums!`
`02:39.47`	`Xinhuan`	`to get a "10 min to spare kill", you want an eagle kill with max 2 lightning clouds, bear boss with max 3 bear phases, and spawn all eggs on one side at 35% health before 2nd wave of hatchers come`
`02:40.36`	`Aiiane`	`(which yes, takes gear - from everyone in the raid)`
`02:40.36`	`Xinhuan`	`meaning the first wave of hatchers spawns everything on one side`
`02:40.44`	`Aiiane`	`also means you should be running with no more than 2 main healers`
`02:40.44`	`selckin`	`we have 2 hatcher waves always`
`02:40.56`	`Aiiane`	`running with 3 main healers means you're sacrificing too much dps.`
`02:41.08`	`Xinhuan`	`your offtank can be a fury warrior, or a feral druid, so they can dps on fights that only need 1 tank.. like eagle`
`02:41.16`	`selckin`	`can do it eays with 3 healers if your dps is t6`
`02:41.18`	`Aiiane`	`feral druids are nice`
`02:41.26`	`Aiiane`	`since they do good dps even when tanking`
`02:41.29`	`selckin`	`we 9 manned it one time, when one dps went offline`
`02:41.49`	`Aiiane`	`we run with a feral druid and pally tank`
`02:41.56`	`Aiiane`	`pally maintanks single tank fights`
`02:41.58`	`selckin`	`think he was there for maube 15% of the time, and had lke 5 min left`
`02:42.03`	`Aiiane`	`and aoe tanks dhawks`
`02:42.37`	`Aiiane`	`we actually singletanked lynx boss today, which was amusing`
`02:42.56`	`Aiiane`	`because I d/c'd when my building's network decided to go out for about 5 minutes`
`02:43.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`we have 2 healers (1 CoH priest, 1 tree), warrior MT, pala OT, a mage or a warlock for AoE, other group is rogue/rogue/enh shaman/feral druid/[hunter, fury war, another rogue]`
`02:43.24`	`Xinhuan`	`tanks need to coordinate to chain pull - no drinking between pulls, tanks break next sheep and establish aggro when their target current is on 15%, etc`
`02:43.27`	`Gnarfoz`	`sometimes it's a ele shaman instead of the mage/warlock, for 2x BL`
`02:43.28`	`Aiiane`	`why both a feral druid and 2 other tanks?`
`02:43.35`	`selckin`	`seems pritty optimal group`
`02:43.41`	`Gnarfoz`	`because of AoE tanking`
`02:43.48`	`selckin`	`its all about the rest really`
`02:43.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`actually, the feral is not always there^^`
`02:43.52`	`Aiiane`	`yeah, why the warrior MT? :P`
`02:43.53`	`selckin`	`*the trash`
`02:44.13`	`Gnarfoz`	`because our 25's raid feral tank is fucking slow :P`
`02:44.18`	`selckin`	`single tank first kill target, paladin tanks all the rest`
`02:44.23`	`selckin`	`should be fast`
`02:45.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`but he's not one to make mistakes, so that's a plus ^^`
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`02:49.34`	`Aiiane`	`Gnarfoz: http://aiiane.net/images/zafullmap.jpg`
`02:50.28`	`Zynderps`	`oh god , been playing my hunter alt for such a long time I've almost forgot how to play my pally :<`
`02:50.48`	`Xinhuan`	`Aiiane, draw a bear->hawk->eagle->lynx route too ;p`
`02:51.06`	`Aiiane`	`meh, its not that different`
`02:51.15`	`Xinhuan`	`ya its similar`
`02:51.17`	`Aiiane`	`you just use the yellow line from the previous map to get to lynx from eagle`
`02:56.16`	`RaydenUni`	`tanking nalorakk in dps gear is fun`
`02:56.19`	`RaydenUni`	`when the 2nd tank dies`
`02:56.25`	`RaydenUni`	`13k brutal swipe!`
`02:56.48`	`Aiiane`	`lol`
`02:57.19`	`Aiiane`	`but yeah Xinhuan`
`02:57.28`	`RaydenUni`	`i thought the moonkin has a rebirth`
`02:57.30`	`RaydenUni`	`but his was down`
`02:57.30`	`Aiiane`	`I have no ideia why bear-dhawk-eagle-lynx would be faster`
`02:57.35`	`RaydenUni`	`so i tanked instead of battle ressing`
`02:57.41`	`Aiiane`	`you're backtracking over more ground and clearing the exact same trash`
`02:57.45`	`RaydenUni`	`woah, you can go right from nalorakk?`
`02:57.46`	`Aiiane`	`*idea`
`02:58.06`	`Aiiane`	`um, you have to, RaydenUni`
`02:58.11`	`Xinhuan`	`maybe its because we usually kill the 2 patrolling mobs in front of hex stairs, if we go by hawk->lynx`
`02:58.14`	`RaydenUni`	`never done him`
`02:58.15`	`Aiiane`	`it's the only way to get to dhawk`
`02:58.22`	`Xinhuan`	`whereas we skip him if we go by eagle->lynx`
`02:58.23`	`Aiiane`	`Xinhuan: maybe`
`02:58.27`	`Aiiane`	`we always skip those`
`02:58.38`	`selckin`	`http://macrochan.org/source/N/4/N432WIUGFTMWJSOA3J4YWTRJOY4VUV4L.jpeg`
`03:03.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`Aiiane: that's... basically the route we're taking already, except for the hut thingy - we've been waterwalking after dhawk`
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`03:03.56`	`Yssaril`	`Xinhuan: anychance of you making a LDB object for routes?`
`03:04.01`	`Aiiane`	`then it's probably not an issue with your route :)`
`03:04.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`i.e., go straight onto the water past the big hut with the friendly npc in it`
`03:04.18`	`Xinhuan`	`would you like to make one Yssaril?`
`03:04.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`so we don't have to kill those damn mind controlling mobs`
`03:04.36`	`Gnarfoz`	`or, just one pack of them`
`03:04.46`	`Yssaril`	`Xinhuan: was thinking about it :P`
`03:04.46`	`Aiiane`	`meh, if you have a couple of priests the MC mobs arent a problem ;)`
`03:04.53`	`Xinhuan`	`^`
`03:04.58`	`Xinhuan`	`or shaman purge`
`03:05.01`	`Xinhuan`	`just assign someone to do it`
`03:05.09`	`Aiiane`	`someone who has decent reflexes`
`03:05.29`	`Xinhuan`	`its really no different from normal decursing`
`03:05.51`	`Aiiane`	`except that pallys cant do it ;)`
`03:05.56`	`Aiiane`	`and shammies can. ;)`
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`03:05.57`	`CIA-44`	`-add zhCN locale`
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`03:08.30`	`Aiiane`	`bear boss in ZA refuses to drop his robes whenever I bring my priest`
`03:08.33`	`Aiiane`	`it's annoying`
`03:08.45`	`Xinhuan`	`mana attuned band doesn't drop`
`03:08.51`	`Xinhuan`	`resilience ring drop rate is like 50%`
`03:08.53`	`Aiiane`	`they've dropped plenty when im on my warlock or tankadin`
`03:09.14`	`Aiiane`	`mana attuned band dropped today for us :P`
`03:09.29`	`Xinhuan`	`i did 30 over runs for them ~_~`
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`03:09.48`	`Aiiane`	`I've done at least 20 on my priest for the robes so far`
`03:10.16`	`Aiiane`	`we have freaking shammies with the robes sitting in the bank for offset`
`03:10.23`	`Aiiane`	`ele and enhance shammies`
`03:10.35`	`Aiiane`	`but they never drop when im on my priest :/`
`03:10.54`	`Xinhuan`	`we have priests wearing them because Conqueror is on strike`
`03:11.19`	`Xinhuan`	`illidan down! triple vanq, triple DE yay!`
`03:11.52`	`Aiiane`	`heh`
`03:12.35`	`Aiiane`	`i take it your rogues, mages, and druids all have their offset and pvp gear now too`
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`03:12.58`	`Xinhuan`	`ya`
`03:14.25`	`Aiiane`	`they need to add an npc`
`03:14.32`	`Aiiane`	`that allows you to trade 2 of one type of token`
`03:14.35`	`Aiiane`	`for 1 of another`
`03:14.46`	`Aiiane`	`so that at least you could build up the extra tokens over time and gear your raid out`
`03:14.53`	`Aiiane`	`slower, but not DE's`
`03:15.42`	`Gnarfoz`	`hrm, so to go bear -> dhawk -> eagle -> lynx... where'd you go from dhawk to eagle, without going somewhere you've already been? that's what I'm missing so far :\`
`03:15.55`	`Aiiane`	`cut through the center`
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`03:16.16`	`Aiiane`	`head north from dhawk's platform to the center axis, then go west back to the first frog area, and up to eagle`
`03:16.17`	`Xinhuan`	`Gnarfoz, the route/order doesn't matter as long as you know the jump-thru-hut trick which skips 4 packs (saving 5 minutes)`
`03:16.17`	`selckin`	`gief 1 token for all :(`
`03:16.58`	`Aiiane`	`well, and generally dhawk before lynx is better than lyxn before dhawk`
`03:17.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`I still don't get which 4 packs you're talking about, because I can't remember spending much time between killing dhawk and starting waterwalking (I think we kill ... 1 pack of lynxes that's in the way?)`
`03:17.03`	`Aiiane`	`due to where the exits vs. entrances are`
`03:17.28`	`Xinhuan`	`its obvious which 4 packs these are once you jump thru the huts`
`03:17.35`	`Xinhuan`	`you end up kiling almost nothing`
`03:17.42`	`Gnarfoz`	`I need to stealth around ZA a bit, it seems`
`03:18.13`	`Xinhuan`	`you won't be able to, because there's 1 pack in front of the hut window`
`03:19.24`	`Aiiane`	`only flaw with that plan Gnarfoz is that you need 5 people to get in the door :P`
`03:19.47`	`Xinhuan`	`or just pay 5g for a cleared instance`
`03:19.50`	`Xinhuan`	`use /2 ;d`
`03:19.57`	`Aiiane`	`but then you dont have the mobs up`
`03:20.02`	`Aiiane`	`which defeats the point of stealthing`
`03:21.23`	`Xinhuan`	`i dont' forsee 5-unsaved randoms would want to go there just to open the gates`
`03:21.38`	`Gnarfoz`	`aaaand I need my ID this ID.`
`03:22.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`(hence all my asking to further improve our chances - we've got some bears already so far - I just want to get us more space to fuck up some pull or whathaveyou ^^)`
`03:25.06`	`Xinhuan`	`Gnarfoz`
`03:25.06`	`Xinhuan`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OC51EeqoeA&feature=related`
`03:25.29`	`Xinhuan`	`that shows the shortcut between hawk -> lnx, jumping thru the 2 huts`
`03:25.38`	`Xinhuan`	`lynx*`
`03:25.49`	`Xinhuan`	`exactly as in Aiiane's map`
`03:26.08`	`Xinhuan`	`the place he consecrates, has 1 pack`
`03:26.36`	`Aiiane`	`the *first place`
`03:26.46`	`Aiiane`	`he consecrates again a second time, no pack there`
`03:26.49`	`Xinhuan`	`yah`
`03:26.59`	`Xinhuan`	`that 2nd place he consecrates, is just the exit of the boss room`
`03:27.17`	`Xinhuan`	`from the exit, if you turn left, it goes to the crocs, if you turn right, it goes to the hut`
`03:27.50`	`Xinhuan`	`so basically, after jumping thru the hut, the first pack you encounter is the beastmaster with 2 crocs`
`03:29.02`	`Xinhuan`	`its not an exploit, perfectly legit path, no terrain issues, etc :)`
`03:29.14`	`Aiiane`	`the beastmaster can be skipped via waterwalking`
`03:29.22`	`Aiiane`	`which is what Gnarfoz's group does`
`03:29.57`	`Xinhuan`	`just sheep one, kill it ;p`
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`03:32.32`	`Aiiane`	`but yeah... we just kill each side of jan'alai's hawks in a single aoe packs`
`03:34.15`	`selckin`	`probably doing this, but leave both alive on 2nd wave so they hatch faster`
`03:34.46`	`Xinhuan`	`the 2nd wave of hatchers doesn't even spawn for us ;p`
`03:34.50`	`Xinhuan`	`boss is 35% way before that`
`03:35.48`	`Aiiane`	`back to leveling my lowbie rogue`
`03:37.27`	`selckin`	`hmm thats fast`
`03:37.33`	`selckin`	`think we usually have them spawn`
`03:40.08`	`selckin`	`hmm klingon lawyer, something is so wrong with that`
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`03:41.08`	`Xinhuan`	`slaps Gnarfoz away with a large trout`
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`03:41.26`	`CIA-44`	`- A timer for the spirit rezzer in the battlegrounds.`
`03:41.34`	`Gnarfoz`	`~poke xinhuan`
`03:41.34`	`purl`	`ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind xinhuan, pokes xinhuan repeatedly, hilarity ensues.`
`03:41.43`	`Xinhuan`	`seen the youtube vid i linked?`
`03:41.47`	`Gnarfoz`	`just had to finish tanking WSG`
`03:41.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`>_> on my paladin`
`03:42.42`	`Aiiane`	`i prefer to tank AV`
`03:43.19`	`Aiiane`	`vannadar+2 marshals? not a problem, let's go`
`03:44.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`heh, actually, I could do that for more honor/hour`
`03:44.36`	`Aiiane`	`the devil's in the marks`
`03:44.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`yep.`
`03:44.43`	Funkeh`	`wow`
`03:44.47`	Funkeh`	`http://www.betanews.com/article/Windows_DNS_bug_fix_can_impair_firewalls_including_ZoneAlarm/1215617981`
`03:44.51`	Funkeh`	`this explains a lot`
`03:45.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`actually, I just want the s2 +spelldmg main hand for tanking`
`03:45.08`	`Aiiane`	old news, Funkeh`
`03:45.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`and that needs EotS marks`
`03:45.14`	Funkeh`	`it didn't affect me at all..`
`03:45.28`	`Aiiane`	`and yeah, that's what my tankadin has Gnarfoz`
`03:45.28`	Funkeh`	`yet I got so many people asking me wtf`
`03:46.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`Aiiane: if it were viable, I'd sure like to grind more honor on my pally for ret gear for pvp... but... it's not fun if you're not ret. so wtf, vicious circle >_>`
`03:46.10`	`Aiiane`	`heh`
`03:46.29`	`Xinhuan`	`heh`
`03:46.37`	`Aiiane`	`I just repeat the mantra of "2 specs in wotlk, 2 specs in wotlk" to myself`
`03:46.48`	`Xinhuan`	`Gnarfoz, waiting for the hut video feedback ;p`
`03:46.54`	`Gnarfoz`	`btw Xinhuan, regarding 2nd consecrate in the vid: the vid description on youtube says "pull again in the middle of the stairs"?`
`03:47.05`	`Aiiane`	`they're being stupid`
`03:47.11`	`Aiiane`	`you dont need to pull anything there`
`03:47.12`	`Xinhuan`	`there is no pack in the 2nd consec`
`03:47.19`	`Xinhuan`	`its the exit from the lynx boss`
`03:47.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`Aiiane: I'd pick heal/prot for that, actually :D`
`03:47.24`	`Xinhuan`	`you don't remember anything there do you?`
`03:47.32`	`Gnarfoz`	`rather, heal + prot ^^`
`03:47.43`	`Aiiane`	`Gnarfoz: at least heal is sort of interesting most of the times for bg's`
`03:47.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`I've never paid attention, really because our bear runs end with lynx usually :D`
`03:48.03`	`Xinhuan`	`how do u normally exit the lynx boss to go hex?`
`03:48.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`there, probably`
`03:48.10`	`Xinhuan`	`exit and turn sharp left to the crocs?`
`03:48.24`	`Xinhuan`	`in this method, if you take the shortcut, you exit right and jump thru the huts ;p`
`03:48.32`	`Gnarfoz`	`most of the time I'm making room for someone else who needs/wants something from hex lord/ZJ ^^`
`03:48.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`anyway, useful pointers ^^`
`03:49.34`	`Aiiane`	`basically, there are multiple ways to do it, they all just follow the same theme`
`03:49.41`	`Gnarfoz`	`I'll take another look at EJ's speed run video, but there's lots of gear involved in that one, heh`
`03:49.44`	`Aiiane`	`skip as much trash as possible, and try not to backtrack if you can avoid it`
`03:50.05`	`Gnarfoz`	`because I think our MT based his pathing and general whatever on it`
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`04:00.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`so, before my pc just randomly crashed, I was going to ask:`
`04:00.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`wouldn't it be useful to combine the hut jumping thing and water walking? ^^`
`04:01.06`	`Xinhuan`	`not really, first most shamans don't have enough waterwalking reagents for 10 ;p`
`04:01.14`	`Xinhuan`	`and you assume you bring one`
`04:01.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`ermm`
`04:01.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`~fail shamans`
`04:01.24`	`purl`	`You suck at everything in life, shamans. I hate you because you fail.`
`04:01.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`:D`
`04:01.54`	`Lukian`	`I have a 400 of each shaman reagent in my bank`
`04:01.56`	`Xinhuan`	`second, it takes about 30 secs to kill that pack (about 8 secs per croc and 15 secs for the beastmaster), and 15 secs to buff 10 ppl with it and walk around`
`04:02.19`	`Xinhuan`	`so it isn't really worth walking around`
`04:02.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`but there's more than one pack on that route, isn't there? or does it just have a really long path`
`04:02.27`	`Xinhuan`	`its just 1 pack`
`04:02.34`	`Gnarfoz`	`damn I've not been to ZA lately and can't remember shit`
`04:02.34`	`Gnarfoz`	`:D`
`04:02.35`	`Xinhuan`	`nothing but that beastmaster+2 crocs`
`04:02.42`	`Xinhuan`	`the croc is like 15k hp`
`04:02.48`	`Xinhuan`	`and the beastmaster like 50k`
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`04:05.10`	`selckin`	`15seconds of drinking tho!`
`04:05.12`	`selckin`	`:)`
`04:08.34`	`Aiiane`	`wait, you drink on trash? ;)`
`04:12.39`	`Xinhuan`	`never drink on trash - if you need to, just do it alone, the other 9 ppl should be fighting ;p`
`04:13.29`	`Xinhuan`	`before pulling a boss, only healer mana needs to be full, if dps isn't, they can drink... just pull and build aggro while they drink`
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`04:21.00`	`Gnarfoz`	`so, after just watching the ZA speedrun video again`
`04:21.34`	`Gnarfoz`	`between dhawk and lynx... there's the 2 mob patrol`
`04:21.59`	`Aiiane`	`which is avoidable`
`04:22.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`and on the way they're (and we're) taking, there's just one pack of lynxes, nothing more, until you reach the beasttamer + crocs pat?`
`04:22.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`yes, it is`
`04:22.27`	`Gnarfoz`	`actually, that wasn't really a question, rather a statement :D`
`04:22.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`I don't see what "4 packs" I'd be skipping, there's just one o_O`
`04:22.57`	`Aiiane`	`i think Xinhuan wasn't quite grasping that you're not clearing in front of the big hut ;)`
`04:23.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`hm`
`04:23.16`	`Gnarfoz`	`:D`
`04:23.42`	`Gnarfoz`	`I'll see soon enough (tuesday) what exactly we're doing, maybe I've just forgotten details ^^`
`04:24.55`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm just farming ravenholdt rep atm ;p`
`04:25.22`	`Aiiane`	`...why? o.0`
`04:26.16`	`Xinhuan`	`http://www.wowarmory.com/character-reputation.xml?r=Blackrock&n=Xinhuan`
`04:26.19`	`Xinhuan`	`not much left to farm ;p`
`04:26.28`	`Aiiane`	`alts, imo :P`
`04:27.00`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't believe in alts ;p`
`04:27.02`	`Aiiane`	`needs more darkmoon faire rep`
`04:27.08`	`Diao`	`lol`
`04:27.08`	`Xinhuan`	`that requires 80k gold`
`04:27.10`	`Xinhuan`	`to exalted`
`04:27.16`	`Aiiane`	`so farm gold`
`04:27.18`	`Xinhuan`	`and depends on supply of stuff like.. ace of beasts`
`04:27.19`	`Aiiane`	`:P`
`04:27.30`	`Xinhuan`	`which i haven't seen on the AH for months`
`04:27.51`	`Aiiane`	`can you not turn in things like the trash grays up to exalted?`
`04:27.54`	`Xinhuan`	`nope`
`04:27.59`	`Xinhuan`	`only to 2000/6000`
`04:28.18`	`Xinhuan`	`or 2500/6000 or so`
`04:28.31`	`Xinhuan`	`only way past that is turn in decks`
`04:28.38`	`Xinhuan`	`which i think is 350 rep each`
`04:29.02`	`Xinhuan`	`even if i have 80k gold (which i do, i have like 130k), the supply isn't there to buy the decks`
`04:29.29`	`Aiiane`	`1. Find blizz programmer with play character`
`04:29.35`	`Aiiane`	`2. Gief bribe`
`04:29.37`	`Aiiane`	`3. ???`
`04:29.40`	`Aiiane`	`4. Profit!`
`04:29.49`	`Xinhuan`	`1. i know one 2. he refused :(`
`04:29.55`	`Aiiane`	`lol`
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`04:36.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`I've seen several people, even on my backwater of a server, with exalted Darkmoon Faire - was reputation for that changed at any point? I don't see them buying 80k worth of decks off the AH`
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`04:39.38`	`durcyn`	`decks and the top-end collection quests give rep`
`04:43.53`	`Aiiane`	`by the way Xinhuan`
`04:44.06`	`Aiiane`	`the armory recommends the skull of gul'dan as an upgrade to your skull of gul'dan :P`
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`04:44.23`	`Xinhuan`	`it has always recommended sidegrades :P`
`04:44.32`	`Aiiane`	`i know. it's just amusing`
`04:44.40`	`CIA-44`	`03sylvanaar * r78369 10EnhancedLFG/ (EnhancedLFG.toc core.lua libs/ libs/includes.xml): EnhancedLFG: Update to allow showing your location on the guild list. spec will now overwrite the class rather than the zone`
`04:44.54`	`Xinhuan`	`hmm i don't even remember logging out in pvp gear`
`04:45.33`	`Aiiane`	`I have to say though, I'm envious of your gear :P`
`04:45.48`	`Xinhuan`	`uh what? pvp gear isn't even hard to farm for`
`04:45.52`	`Aiiane`	`sadly circumstances haven't worked out to make it viable for me to be in a bt/sunwell guild atm`
`04:45.55`	`Aiiane`	`i meant PvE :P`
`04:46.06`	`Aiiane`	`i can't see all of it but obviously that which I can hints at the rest`
`04:46.09`	`Xinhuan`	`how do you know what i wear in pve ~_~`
`04:46.37`	`Aiiane`	`well I would assume the 5 pieces of tier 6 you're wearing are at least still present in your pve set :P`
`04:47.28`	`Xinhuan`	`actually i have 7/8 pieces, and judging from my dkp i'm not likely to win the 8th for 2 weeks unless triple vanq drops`
`04:47.36`	`Aiiane`	`heh`
`04:47.44`	`Aiiane`	`either way`
`04:47.49`	`Aiiane`	`better than I have access to atm`
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`04:49.40`	`Xinhuan`	`hmm just updated all my wowace mods`
`04:49.50`	`Xinhuan`	`ARL is the one with the largest changelog as usual ;p`
`04:52.21`	`Aiiane`	`lol. "Drycoding didn't work, trying different drycoded solution"? :P`
`04:52.22`	`selckin`	`but never really changes`
`04:53.01`	`Xinhuan`	`i dunno, its one of those addons i installed but never used (disabled)`
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`05:20.09`	`aestil`	`we killed etwins and the server crashed for 1 hour right afterwards.`
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`05:21.41`	`aestil`	`do hunters value the 'ignore' armor stat at all?`
`05:21.52`	`Codayus`	`Yes`
`05:22.07`	`aestil`	`at what AP/crit level?`
`05:22.51`	`Codayus`	`Fairly highly. Hunters deal physical damage; AC mitigates it. I don't play a hunter, and don't have the stat weights offhand. I'd recommend checking a spreadsheet. I vaguely recall Cheeky's has a good rep?`
`05:23.01`	`Codayus`	`Sorry. :-)`
`05:23.11`	`aestil`	`kk`
`05:23.18`	`Aiiane`	`or failing that, the EJ hunter threads`
`05:23.25`	`Aiiane`	`since it'll also be spec-dependent`
`05:24.11`	`aestil`	`i'm cookie cutter 41/20`
`05:24.43`	`Aiiane`	`that's great, but don't tell me, im not a hunter expert ;)`
`05:25.15`	`Lukian`	`aestil, yeah use cheeky's`
`05:25.32`	`Lukian`	`I can get you my values in shortly too`
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`05:26.52`	`Lukian`	`0.449AGI 0.449CR_CRIT 0.200ATTACKPOWER 0.273CR_HASTE 0.039*IGNOREARMOR`
`05:27.43`	`Lukian`	`that was for bm, but I havent' updated it in a while`
`05:27.56`	`Lukian`	`buffed, as survival: 0.732AGI 0.486CR_CRIT 0.228ATTACKPOWER 0.686CR_HASTE 0.064*IGNOREARMOR`
`05:29.01`	`Lukian`	`hit rating is about 0.456 (unbuffed) if you aren't capped`
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`05:32.49`	`aestil`	`i am capped`
`05:32.52`	`aestil`	`why are you survival?`
`05:32.57`	`aestil`	`you the surviavl hunter for brutatlis?`
`05:33.08`	`Lukian`	`kek, I don't raid on this character yet`
`05:33.17`	`Lukian`	`it offers me slightly more personal dps than BM`
`05:33.26`	`Lukian`	`so I don't have to rely on my pet staying alive`
`05:33.59`	`aestil`	`cheekies thing is too complicated.`
`05:34.04`	`Lukian`	`..`
`05:34.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`pff try "the" rogue dps spredsheet, it's insane.`
`05:34.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`also insanely good. :>`
`05:34.44`	`Lukian`	`^`
`05:34.48`	`Lukian`	`you feed it your armory profile, it gives you the figures you want, and a gear list..`
`05:34.53`	`Lukian`	`what's complex about it?`
`05:35.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`I still boggle at the armory import :D that's so awesome ^^`
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`05:56.48`	`jtBaby`	`WTF IS wowace?`
`05:59.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`wtf are you?`
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`06:00.46`	`jtBaby`	`earthling...`
`06:00.48`	`jtBaby`	`im an alien.. duh`
`06:00.51`	`jtBaby`	`now tell me`
`06:01.03`	`jtBaby`	`i implore you.. i wish to know more about this WOWace that you speak of`
`06:01.08`	`jtBaby`	`i come from a galaxy.. far, far away`
`06:02.07`	`Lukian`	`are you a female alien?`
`06:02.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`hopefully so.`
`06:02.36`	`kaiden`	`....`
`06:02.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`everything else is probably in the topic of this channel ^^`
`06:02.39`	`kaiden`	`is all i can say to that`
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`06:06.06`	`aestil`	`i couldn't make it take my armor profile.`
`06:06.14`	`aestil`	`its probably because i don't ever use spreadsheets irl.`
`06:07.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`needs a "real" MS excel, with MSXML6 installed, and you need to allow the macros in the spreadsheet.`
`06:07.40`	`aestil`	`yeah, i don't know how to do that stuff.`
`06:07.54`	`Gnarfoz`	`erm`
`06:08.13`	`jtBaby`	`GREETINGS!!!`
`06:08.21`	`jtBaby`	`us aliens...`
`06:08.23`	`jtBaby`	`we have no genders`
`06:08.24`	`jtBaby`	`just FYI`
`06:08.25`	`Gnarfoz`	`the last part is a little bar that pops up when you open the spreadsheet telling you that macros have been disabled temporarily`
`06:08.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`that shouldn't be hard ^^`
`06:08.34`	`jtBaby`	`Gnarfoz: you need to enable them`
`06:08.44`	`Gnarfoz`	`I don't need to enable anything`
`06:08.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`because I'm explaining something to aestil, not the other way around :p`
`06:12.01`	`jtBaby`	`TELL ME NOW`
`06:12.05`	`jtBaby`	`what is this wowACE`
`06:12.07`	`jtBaby`	`that you speak of`
`06:12.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`read the topic`
`06:12.20`	`Gnarfoz`	`return afterwards :p`
`06:13.51`	`jtBaby`	`OR`
`06:13.54`	`jtBaby`	`you could go fuck yourself.`
`06:14.26`	`Gnarfoz`	`...back at 'ya?`
`06:14.33`	`jtBaby`	`lol its all good`
`06:14.35`	`jtBaby`	`im too drunk tonight`
`06:14.36`	`jtBaby`	`i'll bbs`
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`06:18.52`	`Lukian`	`Easiest way to permanently move where bags open? (or impossible)`
`06:19.03`	`Lukian`	`without using an all-in-one bagmod`
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`06:23.34`	`Hjalte`	Funkeh`: The author of BuffEnough says some implementations of LDB in SBC is "incorrect" while Fortress should be somewhat correct - Are there still major differences?
`06:24.34`	Funkeh`	`sounds like bullshit to me`
`06:24.53`	`Hjalte`	`He's making a LDB plugin for BuffEnough and tells me it is working ok-ish in Fortress but not in SBC. I was wondering how that might be as well.`
`06:25.39`	Funkeh`	`I have no idea`
`06:25.45`	Funkeh`	`show me the plugin`
`06:27.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`is it just me, or did like... no planning go into LDB? so many discussions about how stuff is supposed to work ^^`
`06:27.30`	Funkeh`	`actually me and tek discussed endlessly about it`
`06:27.40`	Funkeh`	`then I finally pushed it with sbc`
`06:27.48`	Funkeh`	`but people like to do things their own way`
`06:29.00`	Funkeh`	`Hjalte, where does he say this?`
`06:29.23`	`Hjalte`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8953-BuffEnough.html#comments`
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`06:31.07`	`Hjalte`	`Today when logging in and wanting to enable the buffenough ldb display, I can't find it in the sbc menu. Strange. I have to go now though, see you all :)`
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`06:31.24`	`Hjalte`	`I disabled it yesterday when it didnt work`
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`06:39.07`	`CIA-44`	`amp: 03Tekkub 07master * r790ad3c 10/: mumble`
`06:41.21`	`CIA-44`	`panda: 03Tekkub 07master * rf9c57f9 10/: Meh, forgot embeds`
`06:41.29`	`sylvanaar`	`lol`
`06:42.07`	`sylvanaar`	`there really ought to be a better way`
`06:42.42`	`winkiller`	`LDB?`
`06:43.04`	`Tekkub`	`yea, fuck embeds I'm gonna go back to ReqDeps`
`06:43.11`	`sylvanaar`	`lol`
`06:43.17`	`Tekkub`	`always worked fine for me, fuck the 9l0users`
`06:43.32`	`Tekkub`	`s/9/(/ s/0/)/`
`06:43.51`	`sylvanaar`	`ill tell her when she gets back`
`06:44.31`	`sylvanaar`	`you think we can send her botmail?`
`06:46.01`	`sylvanaar`	`invent a new system to replace embeds/deps`
`06:47.09`	`Tekkub`	`blizzy should let us register dlls`
`06:47.21`	`Tekkub`	`that would solve everything`
`06:48.40`	`sylvanaar`	`Lod addons are essentially dlls`
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`06:50.15`	`sylvanaar`	`since there is no code/data segment`
`06:50.44`	`winkiller`	`yeah, I always wanted to embed openssl and gdlib...`
`06:52.37`	`sylvanaar`	`blizz should give us a game client simulator`
`06:53.20`	`Tekkub`	`blizz should give us free gametime based on how often we reloadui`
`06:53.55`	`Tekkub`	`"Oh, he's been in Darny for 3 hours and reloaded 37 times? credit him a week of gametime`
`06:53.57`	`sylvanaar`	`ugh, i remember trying to pitch that they remove the reloadui need`
`06:54.08`	`Tekkub`	`soup`
`06:54.46`	`sylvanaar`	`people actually said they liked reloading the ui`
`06:55.08`	`sylvanaar`	`and they wanted to keep the requirement there`
`06:55.12`	`Tekkub`	`well, I like it in the sense of how I liked how rebooting win95 gave me a clean slate`
`06:55.18`	`Tekkub`	`and it's faster than a reboot`
`06:55.22`	`Tekkub`	`... usually`
`06:55.36`	`winkiller`	people like reloading their ui`
`06:55.42`	`sylvanaar`	`yeah, thats fine, i like it too - but optionally`
`06:55.48`	`Tekkub`	`but I hate the mentality of most programs that you still NEED a reboot after an install`
`06:55.50`	`sylvanaar`	`yes winkiller, they do`
`06:55.54`	`winkiller`	`WTF`
`06:56.05`	`Tekkub`	`YOU UPDATED JAVA YOU NEED TO REBOOT!`
`06:56.20`	`winkiller`	`Ubuntu also started with this lately`
`06:56.29`	`winkiller`	`zomg reboot`
`06:56.48`	`sylvanaar`	`its that or run the rc scripts in the right order`
`06:56.55`	`Tekkub`	`hrm... havn't usud my Ubu box in some time, it used to be smart about restarting services`
`06:56.58`	`sylvanaar`	`and cross your fingers`
`06:57.16`	`winkiller`	`I just ignore it.. at least it won't nag you every 5mins`
`06:57.57`	`Tekkub`	`yea I installed updates on my Vista box the other day cause I was planning a restart... I looked and most the updates I had were from like April`
`06:58.18`	`Tekkub`	`and the very next day... OMG WINDOWS DEFENDER UPDATE!`
`06:58.32`	`Tekkub`	`yea... I have that completely disabled since I can't remove it...`
`06:58.44`	`sylvanaar`	`its harmless`
`06:58.52`	`Tekkub`	`it's useless :P`
`06:58.53`	`sylvanaar`	`and less spammy than teatimer`
`06:59.03`	`sylvanaar`	`which is so spammy its just as useless`
`06:59.50`	`sylvanaar`	`neither one has ever found a thing`
`07:00.21`	`Tekkub`	`go download you a keylogger and see how well it protcets you :)`
`07:00.22`	`sylvanaar`	`but the minute i disable it - bam - keylogger`
`07:01.04`	`sylvanaar`	`hey a 0-day keylogger, you are pretty much toast anyways`
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`07:02.53`	`sylvanaar`	`is incgamers still around, maybe i can get one from them`
`07:02.59`	`winkiller`	`lol`
`07:03.05`	`sylvanaar`	`oh wait...`
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`07:03.10`	`Fisker-`	`yeah somehow they have managed to stay alive`
`07:03.13`	`winkiller`	`I once clicked on a .cn link sleepy 5 am in the morning`
`07:03.19`	`winkiller`	`gladly noscript caught it`
`07:03.21`	`Fisker-`	`They're even still part of the fsp`
`07:03.38`	`winkiller`	`wasn't easy to debug that crap`
`07:03.48`	`winkiller`	`all some base64_encoded JS`
`07:03.49`	`winkiller`	`some KBs`
`07:04.02`	`winkiller`	`that somehow loaded an exe over 5 redirects`
`07:04.13`	`winkiller`	`they really got some obfuscation there`
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`07:05.58`	`CIA-44`	`03funkydude * r78370 10StatBlockCore/StatBlockCore.lua: StatBlockCore: Correctly pass gametooltip to ontooltipshow`
`07:08.06`	`Tekkub`	`hey funk, you try out MakeRocketGoNow?`
`07:08.20`	Funkeh`	`what's that?`
`07:08.46`	`Tekkub`	`Quickie, cleaned up a bit, made into a LDB plugin`
`07:08.47`	`Tekkub`	`http://github.com/tekkub/makerocketgonow/tree/master`
`07:09.15`	`Tekkub`	`it's a LDB plugin for your LDB launchers...`
`07:09.58`	Funkeh`	`ooh, nifty`
`07:10.10`	`Tekkub`	`ya`
`07:10.51`	`winkiller`	`oh, I totally forgot to thank you for blipstick, Tekkub - awesome tool :)`
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`07:22.03`	Funkeh`	`oh wow`
`07:22.08`	Funkeh`	`gotta cp this`
`07:22.29`	Funkeh`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:22.30`	Funkeh`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:22.30`	Funkeh`	`E A SPECIAL BUILD FOR ME!" "STOP SELLING OUT TO THE MAN!" "LISTEN TO YOUR USERS! (i.e. 'me').`
`07:22.42`	`Tekkub`	`OMGWALLOFTEXT`
`07:22.48`	Funkeh`	`pewpew`
`07:22.54`	`winkiller`	rofl Funkeh`
`07:23.11`	`winkiller`	`so true`
`07:23.26`	`Tekkub`	`wall of text == bloat`
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`07:29.46`	`Smug`	`huhu`
`07:30.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`Tekkub = bloat`
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`07:30.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`also, whoever wrote that hit the nail on the head`
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`07:35.25`	`CIA-44`	`03kunda * r78371 10GloryLib/Glory-2.0/Glory-2.0.lua: GloryLib: removed honor calculation factor (Patch 2.4.0 changed this)`
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`07:44.51`	`Elkano`	`hmm... maybe I should convert FriendsFu and GuildFu over to LDB, too, in order to have a 4th plugin for that ;)`
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`07:51.18`	`CIA-44`	`03adirelle * r78372 10SimpleSelfRebuff/embeds.xml: SimpleSelfRebuff: added missing AceModuleCore-2.0.lua in embeds.xml.`
`07:51.50`	`winkiller`	`"SimpleSelfRebuff" - I miss my Swirlyball :(`
`07:53.12`	`CIA-44`	`03adirelle * r78373 10SimpleSelfRebuff/buffs/priest.lua: SimpleSelfRebuff: added Fear Ward for priets.`
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`08:24.56`	`CIA-44`	`03profalbert 07Parrot (newCombatLog) * r78374 10Parrot/ (5 files in 3 dirs):`
`08:24.56`	`CIA-44`	`Parrot:`
`08:24.56`	`CIA-44`	`- more combatLogTriggers`
`08:24.56`	`CIA-44`	`- fix overheal-calculation`
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`08:28.18`	`StolenLegacy`	`Is someone responsible for LittleWigs online?`
`08:29.03`	`Aiiane`	`points at ulic`
`08:29.58`	`Aiiane`	`now, I don't know if he's actually here or not`
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`08:30.34`	`StolenLegacy`	`looks like he's inactive`
`08:30.50`	`winkiller`	`/enable && /reloadui`
`08:30.51`	`StolenLegacy`	`because i wanted to add some translations to littlewigs`
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`08:50.39`	`xemacs`	`~cartographer`
`08:50.41`	`xemacs`	`~cartographer3`
`08:50.42`	`purl`	`extra, extra, read all about it, cartographer3 is the successor to WoW addon Cartographer, acts similarly to google maps. Download at http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/ - Provide feedback at http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/tickets/. Video: http://www.vimeo.com/917523`
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`08:55.42`	`CIA-44`	`03nikkodemus * r78375 10BuffEnough/ (BuffEnough.lua Frame.lua):`
`08:55.42`	`CIA-44`	`BuffEnough:`
`08:55.42`	`CIA-44`	`- fixed LDB OnClick implementation`
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`09:09.21`	`Orionshock`	`whats the name of the template that just gives you a classic UI button and text?`
`09:10.26`	`cncfanatics`	`ClassicUIButtonAndText ?`
`09:10.31`	`winkiller`	`lol`
`09:10.44`	`Orionshock`	`ya the red button with the outline`
`09:11.26`	`Orionshock`	`i think it's UIPanelCloseButton`
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`09:19.57`	`StolenLegacy`	`Anyone knows at what time ulic usually is here?`
`09:22.50`	`winkiller`	`never saw him talk much tbh`
`09:23.02`	`winkiller`	`but then I'm an inactive lurker myself most of the time :D`
`09:23.20`	`StolenLegacy`	`how could i contact him otherwise, then?`
`09:23.37`	`StolenLegacy`	`cuz the email validation at wowace.com seems a lil bit buggy`
`09:24.18`	`StolenLegacy`	`i didnt recieve the validation mail`
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`09:41.07`	`cncfanatics`	`charon !`
`09:41.14`	`charon`	`morning :)`
`09:42.07`	`cncfanatics`	`I fucked up my authorized_keys :(`
`09:43.31`	`charon`	`huh? it looks sane from where i'm sitting`
`09:43.37`	`cncfanatics`	`http://www.pastey.net/91264 shld be the key`
`09:44.25`	`charon`	`it is.`
`09:44.50`	`cncfanatics`	`weird, its refusing my key`
`09:44.53`	`Zhinjio`	`good morning, crazy people.`
`09:45.23`	`charon`	`good morning Wonko the Sane`
`09:46.51`	`charon`	`cncfanatics: oh i see, it only said 'sh-rsa' at the beginning of the file, i fixed that`
`09:47.26`	`cncfanatics`	`charon: that sucks :(`
`09:47.30`	`cncfanatics`	`ty :)`
`09:47.36`	`cncfanatics`	`now I'm going to do messy stuff`
`09:47.37`	`winkiller`	`haha, classic`
`09:47.47`	`cncfanatics`	`set up an ssh proxy to surf without those stupid blocked sites`
`09:47.54`	`Ellipsis`	`licks Zhinjio`
`09:48.28`	`charon`	`you should see what happens if you mess up the gitosis config... it doesn't verify that the resulting authorized_keys is anywhere near correct or even sane`
`09:48.44`	`Zhinjio`	`hugs Ellipsis`
`09:48.51`	`winkiller`	`actually I had some sh-dss today myself :P`
`09:48.51`	`Zhinjio`	`I got my list corruption detection routines working, btw.`
`09:49.05`	`Zhinjio`	`I can successfully recognize all the forms of corruption i was showing you earlier`
`09:49.23`	`cncfanatics`	`anyone can point me to a non porn site that a company proxy would most likely block ?`
`09:49.29`	`winkiller`	`Corruption (Rank 1), Corruption (Rank 2), ... :P`
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`09:50.00`	`Zhinjio`	`if only it were that easy. grin`
`09:50.01`	`winkiller`	`no clue, never had anything blocked =)`
`09:50.36`	`Zhinjio`	`www.divine-interventions.com`
`09:50.43`	`Ellipsis`	`Zhinjio: well obviously all you need to find is the Seed of Corruption ;)`
`09:51.11`	`winkiller`	`or the source (felwood q)`
`09:51.47`	`Zhinjio`	`I particularly enjoy the haiku section of that website.`
`09:53.56`	`cncfanatics`	`brb`
`09:53.59`	`cncfanatics`	`setting up a socks proxy`
`09:58.50`	`charon`	`btw more Threat-2.0 stuff: http://pastebin.ca/1071639 -- holding off until i get a chance to play tonight though`
`10:00.40`	`nevcairiel`	`that shouldnt really affect much anyway`
`10:00.43`	`nevcairiel`	`only publish threat sooner`
`10:01.35`	`charon`	`you know how it is ... patches that obviously can't break anything have at least one serious problem ;)`
`10:01.38`	`CIA-44`	`03kunda * r78376 10FuBar_HonorFu/ (HonorFu.lua HonorFuLocale-deDE.lua HonorFuLocale-enUS.lua): (log message trimmed)`
`10:01.38`	`CIA-44`	`FuBar_HonorFu:`
`10:01.38`	`CIA-44`	`- fix today's honor display (uses GetPVPSessionStats() now)`
`10:01.38`	`CIA-44`	`- fix tooltip display (no more diminishing returns on honor for kills since Patch 2.4.0)`
`10:01.38`	`CIA-44`	`- fix sumhonor toggle`
`10:01.40`	`CIA-44`	`- option table:`
`10:01.44`	`CIA-44`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:02.04`	`charon`	`i was wondering though`
`10:02.29`	`charon`	`we trigger RD threat update on debuff, but taunt threat update on cast, even though the debuff arrives on the order of half a second later`
`10:02.37`	`charon`	`so which one is more correct?`
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`10:16.08`	`CIA-44`	`03Copystring * r78377 10YurrCombatLog/Core.lua:`
`10:16.09`	`CIA-44`	`YurrCombatLog:`
`10:16.09`	`CIA-44`	`- removed debug code(oops)`
`10:16.14`	`CIA-44`	`03kunda * r78378 10FuBar_HonorFu/ (7 files): FuBar_HonorFu: update WorldStateScoreColumn tooltip text to 50`
`10:17.58`	`kimurin`	`~seen Phanx`
`10:18.00`	`purl`	`phanx <n=phanx133@adsl-69-228-193-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 33d 5h 5m 47s ago, saying: 'hurrah, forums are alive!'.`
`10:18.12`	`CIA-44`	`03durcyn * r78379 10Heatsink/Heatsink.lua: Heatsink: cleanups, additional debugging for rare error on line 860`
`10:18.43`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRJxJdgc4Ng - watch and be absolutely amazed`
`10:25.27`	`Olison`	`durcyn: How complete is Heatsink?`
`10:25.48`	`winkiller`	`I pity the foo who has to carry that bar`
`10:28.50`	`durcyn`	`Olison: it occasionally flakes out with Emphasis enabled, other than that it's fine`
`10:29.08`	`durcyn`	`and i blame LibBars for that, just haven't been able to isolate it yet`
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`10:40.38`	`Olison`	`durcyn: yes just had that ;<`
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`10:46.57`	`Nefarion`	`Does anyone have any plans to continue DewDrop to a new framework-agnostic version, or release something similar?`
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`12:12.44`	`StolenLegacy`	`is not aviable anymore.`
`12:16.33`	`CIA-44`	`03ag * r78381 10FuBar2Broker/FuBar2Broker.lua: FuBar2Broker: missed something`
`12:16.34`	`CIA-44`	`03ag * r78380 10FuBar2Broker/FuBar2Broker.lua: FuBar2Broker: reverted change, plugins should be able to call UpdateText which should update the plugin text. So this New UpdateText doesn't make sense.`
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`12:18.09`	`CIA-44`	`03durcyn * r78382 10Heatsink/ (Heatsink.lua locale-enUS.lua):`
`12:18.09`	`CIA-44`	`Heatsink: add Paldin Holy school groupings, replace string.find on shock/trap`
`12:18.09`	`CIA-44`	`groupings with straight string compares, and hopefully fix TinyGratuity usage to`
`12:18.09`	`CIA-44`	`return false when the cooldown tring is not found in spell tooltip`
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`12:22.03`	`CIA-44`	`03CrashMan * r78383 10DailyQuestViewer/ (4 files in 2 dirs):`
`12:22.03`	`CIA-44`	`DailyQuestViewer:`
`12:22.03`	`CIA-44`	`- Added deDE Localization`
`12:24.10`	`durcyn`	`well, i hope no one tries to avi him.`
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`12:37.11`	Funkeh`	ag`, ...
`12:37.28`	Funkeh`	`some fubar plugins use it instead of ontext`
`12:37.39`	Funkeh`	`making them marked as lanchers`
`12:37.42`	Funkeh`	`re add that`
`12:38.23`	Funkeh`	`and ask before you revert shit`
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`12:48.18`	`CIA-44`	`03bam * r78385 10ItemPrice-1.1/ItemPrice-1.1.lua:`
`12:48.18`	`CIA-44`	`ItemPrice-1.1:`
`12:48.18`	`CIA-44`	`- Price updates.`
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`12:54.45`	Funkeh`	ag`, ping
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`13:08.02`	`harldephin`	`anyone knows why when there's text added to my tooltips by Altoholic, it's shown net of 2 chars (letters)?`
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`13:11.25`	`CIA-44`	`03funkydude * r78386 10FuBar2Broker/FuBar2Broker.lua: FuBar2Broker: Revert the ninja revert until I hear a proper reason.`
`13:13.33`	`cnc\|work`	`lol, reverting reverts rocks`
`13:14.21`	Funkeh`	`yup`
`13:21.28`	`profalbert`	Funkeh`: nice work on including icons in the statblock, but another issue now... http://i37.tinypic.com/2hdwhz9.jpg
`13:21.39`	`profalbert`	`the icon is under the block`
`13:22.12`	Funkeh`	`damnit`
`13:23.47`	`Stanzilla`	`turn icons off, problem solved :D`
`13:24.04`	`harldephin`	`lol`
`13:24.12`	`profalbert`	`I use statblockcore+fubar2broker for those launcher-icons ;)`
`13:24.16`	Funkeh`	`I like stas idea`
`13:24.24`	Funkeh`	`stans`
`13:24.35`	Funkeh`	`it involves minimal effort !`
`13:24.49`	`profalbert`	`I'll just turn alpha to 0 ;)`
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`13:25.00`	Funkeh`	`heh, ill fix it`
`13:33.45`	ag`	yeah Funkeh` I'm here
`13:34.07`	Funkeh`	ag`, take a look at moneyfu
`13:34.18`	ag`	`ok, one sec then`
`13:34.36`	ag`	`I'm looking at it now`
`13:34.42`	ag`	`what should I look for?`
`13:35.11`	Funkeh`	`it uses updatetext instead of ontextupdate`
`13:35.18`	Funkeh`	`marking it falsely as a launcher`
`13:35.21`	Funkeh`	`hence my commit`
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`13:36.53`	`Tuxbubling`	`hey there`
`13:38.06`	`Matrix110`	`hmmm`
`13:38.24`	`Tuxbubling`	`what addon is available as item swapping ?`
`13:38.32`	`Gnarfoz`	`ItemRack <3`
`13:38.39`	`Tuxbubling`	`is it an ace one?`
`13:38.40`	`nevcairiel`	`ClosetGnome!`
`13:38.40`	Funkeh`	`closetgnome`
`13:38.44`	`Tuxbubling`	`ah`
`13:38.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`no it isn't, it's still loads better than CG, though :P`
`13:39.07`	`profalbert`	`<3 ClosetGnome`
`13:39.21`	`Tuxbubling`	`ah different opinions there :p`
`13:39.23`	`harldephin`	`there's something to load with cg?`
`13:39.33`	`nevcairiel`	`I dont need any of the bloat features in ItemRack :P`
`13:39.34`	`Gnarfoz`	`yes, penguins`
`13:39.37`	`harldephin`	`lol`
`13:40.01`	`Gnarfoz`	see Funkeh`'s paste of early this morning for "bloat" ;p
`13:40.39`	`Tuxbubling`	`and does itemrack integrates in fubar?`
`13:40.50`	`harldephin`	`cg is just fine. give your set of items a name, click the name and they're equipped. that's it.`
`13:41.01`	`harldephin`	`what else would you need anyway.`
`13:41.11`	`Fisker-`	dances with Funkeh`
`13:41.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`correct handling of multiple, non-all-slots sets, maybe`
`13:41.45`	`Gnarfoz`	`or event based automatic switching that doesn't go tits up when you get into combat :p`
`13:41.58`	`harldephin`	`event-based.. wtf..`
`13:42.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`mounting, for one. it's the most popular one. :p`
`13:42.17`	`profalbert`	`ClosetGnome_Mount`
`13:42.18`	`harldephin`	`i don't want my gear to switch automatically.`
`13:42.36`	`Gnarfoz`	harldephin: then, read Funkeh`'s quote from earlier today. :p
`13:42.40`	`profalbert`	`too bad ClosetGnome_BigWigs doesn't work`
`13:42.41`	`harldephin`	`yea..`
`13:42.45`	`Gnarfoz`	`profalbert: that doesn't work too good. :p`
`13:43.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`s/good/well`
`13:43.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`gah!`
`13:43.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`~seen kunda`
`13:43.38`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'kunda', Gnarfoz`
`13:43.38`	`Tuxbubling`	`can you switch when in combat?`
`13:43.38`	`Gnarfoz`	`just weapons + ranged`
`13:43.38`	`harldephin`	`no`
`13:43.38`	`harldephin`	`yea. lol..`
`13:44.26`	`profalbert`	`gnarfoz: ah, I remember, I turned it off because it didn't unequip the riding crop somtimes`
`13:44.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`harldephin: to answer your question, there's FuBar plugins for both, if some zealot hasn't removed the one from ClosetGnome, yet :>`
`13:44.45`	`Tuxbubling`	`<Gnarfoz> just weapons + ranged << ok sufficient for me.... by ranged you also mean relic and such?`
`13:44.59`	`Gnarfoz`	`all the slots in the lower middle. that's a blizzard thing, btw`
`13:45.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`profalbert: exactly ^^ ItemRack's queueing so far hasn't failed me =) (also, automatic swapping in of trinkets once they're off cd is nice when questing (i.e. short "bursts" of in combat time)`
`13:46.21`	`harldephin`	`Gnarfoz: Tuxbubling was the one that asked if itemrack would integrate with fubar.`
`13:46.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`oh, right`
`13:46.31`	`Gnarfoz`	`sry :>`
`13:46.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`= shower tiems. dirty is no good. :>`
`13:47.00`	`harldephin`	`hf`
`13:47.05`	`Gnarfoz`	`:\`
`13:47.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`;P`
`13:47.23`	`harldephin`	`likes to shower.`
`13:47.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`btw, if anyone knows who 'kunda' is, here on IRC, please do tell ^^`
`13:47.47`	Funkeh`	`profalbert, try that`
`13:47.54`	Funkeh`	`uh, slow`
`13:47.55`	`Matrix110`	`Hmmm`
`13:48.26`	`Matrix110`	`Is there any "newer" Tooltip Addon using newer libs? :P`
`13:48.58`	ag`	Funkeh`, you removed UpdateText from the fake fubar lib, potentially breaking every addon expecting it to be there
`13:49.15`	`harldephin`	`newer than which one? TinyTip?`
`13:49.23`	`Matrix110`	`Cowtip`
`13:49.32`	`harldephin`	`hm.`
`13:49.36`	Funkeh`	ag`, no, every addon needing it sets it
`13:49.41`	Funkeh`	`a la moneyfu`
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`13:50.06`	Funkeh`	`you were overwriting it`
`13:50.11`	`Matrix110`	`Hmm I see StarTip on the SVN`
`13:50.14`	`profalbert`	`are the other tooltip-addons also using DogTags or something like that?`
`13:50.15`	`Matrix110`	`will test that`
`13:50.32`	`CIA-44`	`03funkydude * r78390 10StatBlockCore/ (StatBlockCore.lua StatBlockCore.toc):`
`13:50.32`	`CIA-44`	`StatBlockCore:`
`13:50.32`	`CIA-44`	`- bugfix icons behind background`
`13:50.32`	`CIA-44`	`- support tooltiptext`
`13:50.32`	ag`	`I don't do anything the original fubar plugin doesn't do`
`13:50.40`	`Matrix110`	`Well I dont really need DogTags tbh`
`13:50.41`	`harldephin`	`so far, i've been happy with TinyTip. the older version of it.`
`13:50.53`	Funkeh`	`profalbert, that`
`13:52.21`	ag`	`some addon that doesn't provide their own UpdateText might still expect :UpdateText to be there. Creating that NewUpdateText isn't needed either, and having the plugin provide an UpdateText doesn't overwrite anything, Fubarplugin does that too`
`13:53.26`	Funkeh`	ag`, if you have a better solution for not making moneyfu a launcher, I'm all ears
`13:53.56`	ag`	`I just fixed it`
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`13:54.27`	`Matrix110`	`ok StarTip seems perfect for me`
`13:54.37`	ag`	`I simply check if UpdateText is different from the FuBarPlugin UpdateText`
`13:54.52`	ag`	`line 131`
`13:55.40`	`profalbert`	Funkeh`, looks good, nice
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`14:00.24`	`Tuxbubling`	`ok closetgnome working flawlessly nice thx`
`14:00.37`	Funkeh`	ag`, ok, will try that out
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`14:10.14`	`Pkekyo\|`	`does the shaman talent Mental Quickness also affect the mana cost of totems?`
`14:11.15`	`Matrix110`	ag` MiniType is nice btw :D
`14:11.34`	ag`	`Matrix110, :D`
`14:11.38`	`Matrix110`	`If it doesnt taint the Raid Frame its awesome`
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`14:11.45`	`Matrix110`	`will test that in the next raid`
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`14:11.54`	ag`	`hehe I don't know if it does :P`
`14:11.58`	`Matrix110`	`Always hated CF2 for Tainting the Raid Frame`
`14:12.11`	`Matrix110`	`even commenting out everything didnt work properly`
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`14:13.23`	`Matrix110`	`Hmm`
`14:13.28`	`nevcairiel`	`works for me once i commented it out`
`14:13.36`	`nevcairiel`	`the sad thing is`
`14:13.46`	`nevcairiel`	`the tooltip font looks better with the code`
`14:13.49`	`nevcairiel`	`but it taints :(`
`14:14.12`	`Matrix110`	`hmm LibMobHealth-4.0`
`14:14.20`	`Matrix110`	`is that replacing MobHealth3?`
`14:14.22`	ag`	`just say no :D`
`14:15.06`	`Matrix110`	`Ok MiniType is tainting`
`14:15.07`	`Matrix110`	`:-(`
`14:15.43`	ag`	`I don't think you can find a text addon that doesn't`
`14:16.08`	ag`	`the only thing it does is changing the font of those font classes`
`14:16.17`	`Matrix110`	`I blame blizzard`
`14:16.21`	`Matrix110`	`but it sucks still :P`
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`14:25.56`	`Gnarfoz`	`I don't get which fonts are not replaced by replacing the font files`
`14:25.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`oO`
`14:26.57`	`CIA-44`	`03ckknight * r78392 10LibDogTag-3.0/Events.lua: LibDogTag-3.0 - Change the titration time to 1/1000 of a second instead of 1/300 of a second.`
`14:27.00`	`Matrix110`	`Ok StarTip seems to have some config bugs :=`
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`14:46.06`	`kadrahil`	`has anyone used the everyquest addon before?`
`14:46.19`	`kadrahil`	`i can't seem to figure out how to make it work even after binding a key to toggle it`
`14:46.29`	`durcyn`	`Matrix110: elucidate`
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`14:47.04`	`Stanzilla`	Funkeh`: [2008/07/14 16:46:39-1662-x1]: Violation-1.0.74674\Violation.lua:1316: attempt to index upvalue 'db' (a nil value) < Fubar2Broker problem?
`14:47.14`	Funkeh`	`yes`
`14:47.30`	`Matrix110`	`durcyn when I try to enable/disable anything in the Text Module it happens nothing and a error message about "v" not being Boolean`
`14:47.41`	`Matrix110`	`appears`
`14:49.07`	`Matrix110`	`can give you the complete error message if needed`
`14:50.16`	`durcyn`	`Matrix110: well, i don't want to step on starlon's toes, you might want to poke him`
`14:50.20`	`durcyn`	`starlon: poke!`
`14:50.34`	`Matrix110`	`pokes starlon`
`14:51.11`	`durcyn`	`Stanzilla: kind of. you can work around it by changing the Violation line from db to Violation.db.profile`
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`14:52.39`	`Stanzilla`	`kk`
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`15:02.05`	Funkeh`	ag`, now everything is being marked as a launcher
`15:02.28`	ag`	`it is because I can't figure out to use "and" or "or"`
`15:02.38`	Funkeh`	`maybe`
`15:02.45`	ag`	`not maybe`
`15:02.52`	ag`	`it is of exactly that reason :P`
`15:02.58`	Funkeh`	`oh I thought that was a question`
`15:03.04`	ag`	`line 131`
`15:04.24`	`Kalroth`	`lol`
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`15:05.18`	Funkeh`	ag`, that's wrong, too
`15:07.13`	Funkeh`	ag`, (ontextupdate or updatetext ~= fubar) and tooltip
`15:08.13`	ag`	why that Funkeh`
`15:08.24`	ag`	`none of the things must happen`
`15:08.33`	Funkeh`	`launchers can update tooltips`
`15:08.40`	ag`	`no they can't :(`
`15:08.46`	Funkeh`	`yes theycan`
`15:08.53`	Funkeh`	`bigwigs for example`
`15:08.59`	ag`	`I'd think so too but not according to LDB specs`
`15:09.13`	ag`	`http://github.com/tekkub/libdatabroker-1-1/wikis/data-specifications`
`15:09.22`	ag`	`Quicklauncher`
`15:09.38`	ag`	`there's no OnEnter/OnLeave/Tooltip`
`15:10.11`	Funkeh`	ag`, lol...
`15:10.20`	Funkeh`	`then your change is useless`
`15:10.29`	ag`	`why? :P`
`15:10.33`	Funkeh`	`how many fubar plugins don't have a tooltip`
`15:10.48`	ag`	`there's a few`
`15:10.56`	ag`	but Funkeh`
`15:11.04`	ag`	`that's what the quickLauncher table is for`
`15:11.24`	Funkeh`	`you're assuming because there's no onenter magically means bigwig isn't a quicklauncher`
`15:11.29`	Funkeh`	`can you stop assuing things`
`15:11.37`	ag`	`I don't assume things`
`15:11.42`	Funkeh`	`you do`
`15:11.50`	Funkeh`	`it's not thee first time either`
`15:11.59`	ag`	`the spec on that page says that Quicklaunchers doesn't have OnEnter/OnLeave etc`
`15:12.13`	Funkeh`	`no it doesn't`
`15:12.18`	Funkeh`	`it isn't documeneted`
`15:12.21`	Funkeh`	`it doesn't say NO`
`15:12.44`	Funkeh`	`you assumed that`
`15:12.49`	ag`	`it lists all the available fields`
`15:13.06`	Funkeh`	`and you asumed because oneener isn't listed it's invalid`
`15:13.32`	ag`	`I'm saying that it is a Data Display instead then`
`15:13.42`	Funkeh`	`no it's not`
`15:13.42`	ag`	`because that spec contains OnEnter/OnLeave`
`15:13.51`	Funkeh`	`quicklaunchers can display tooltips and change them`
`15:14.01`	Funkeh`	`for heavens sake look at tekkubs addons he does it himself`
`15:14.15`	ag`	`which one should I look at`
`15:14.30`	Funkeh`	`panda/tekability whatever like all of them`
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`15:15.27`	Funkeh`	`Just becayse api is't documented doesn't mean it shouldn't be used`
`15:15.57`	`nevcairiel`	`not documented generally means you shouldn't expect it to work :P`
`15:16.01`	`starlon`	`durcyn: anti-poke`
`15:16.23`	Funkeh`	`give tekkub a poke whn he logs on`
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`15:17.25`	ag`	Funkeh`, I don't think he uses a tooltip for the LDB object in Panda
`15:17.28`	`durcyn`	`starlon: you have a user!`
`15:17.46`	Funkeh`	`look at more addons then`
`15:18.17`	ag`	`I just think that the whole point of the spec is documenting what should be available or not`
`15:18.23`	`starlon`	`:)`
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`15:18.43`	`nevcairiel`	`the spec generally documents what HAS to be supported`
`15:19.08`	`nevcairiel`	`but you cant make decisions based on a plugin having a OnEnter`
`15:19.09`	`nevcairiel`	`or not`
`15:19.37`	Funkeh`	`well, onenter is extra functionality`
`15:20.44`	ag`	Funkeh`, tekability isn't a launcher :P
`15:20.45`	Funkeh`	`infact, it shouldn't be on enter`
`15:20.50`	Funkeh`	`it should be ontooltipshow`
`15:21.19`	Funkeh`	ag`, don't quote me on the names of he's 5 billion addons :/
`15:21.39`	ag`	`just find me an addon where he provides a tooltip and sets launcher at the same time :P`
`15:21.48`	Funkeh`	`um, no?`
`15:22.11`	`nevcairiel`	`imho tooltip and launcher makes sense together`
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`15:22.30`	ag`	`yes, it wouldn't be a bad idea`
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`15:22.35`	Funkeh`	`ontooltipshow means the display addon chooses to show it, since the object itself could be anything`
`15:22.36`	`nevcairiel`	`If i would want to create a launcher button for BT4, i would want to document that leftclick opens the config while rightclick opens the keybinding thing`
`15:22.54`	`nevcairiel`	`and the tooltip would be the place to document that :)`
`15:23.10`	ag`	`but according to the spec data objects have tooltips`
`15:23.14`	ag`	`quicklaunchers doesn't`
`15:23.23`	`nevcairiel`	`so change the spec to add tooltips`
`15:23.26`	Funkeh`	`then we change it :)`
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`15:25.01`	Funkeh`	`the "press escape on interface options pane reset show healm/coak" bug bugs me to no end :(`
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`15:25.21`	ag`	`sure, take up the discussion, I'm not against it, I'm just saying that the reason why I don't mark fubar addons with tooltips as quick launchers is because the current spec listed doesn't say quicklaunchers provides a tooltip`
`15:26.04`	`starlon`	`Matrix110: Well since CIA's occupied elsewhere, I should let you know. That bug's fixedd.`
`15:29.28`	`durcyn`	`starlon: oh, hey, also, gief owner name on pet/guardian/etc tooltip`
`15:30.48`	Funkeh`	`guess I should try startip too`
`15:31.05`	`durcyn`	`you'll hate it`
`15:31.16`	`durcyn`	`until you go in and rip out the stupid TalentGuess references`
`15:31.28`	`durcyn`	`then it's fine.`
`15:31.35`	Funkeh`	`ok, pass on that then`
`15:32.07`	Funkeh`	`talent guess lib is just sillynes in a bottle`
`15:32.52`	`Matrix110`	`thanks starlon :D`
`15:33.16`	`starlon`	`That info is available?`
`15:33.45`	Funkeh`	`?`
`15:33.58`	`starlon`	`Sorry, was meant for durcyn`
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`15:34.17`	`durcyn`	`what info is available? i don't give a rat's ass about talents`
`15:34.18`	Funkeh`	`oki :)`
`15:34.41`	`durcyn`	`i sent you a diff for Text.lua on wowace forums that makes the libs optional, at least`
`15:34.46`	`harldephin`	`is there an add-on that can save and display the result of a specific /who until the same /who is redone?`
`15:34.51`	`starlon`	`No, I mean pet's owner`
`15:34.58`	`durcyn`	`oh. it should be.`
`15:35.16`	`durcyn`	`let me see if i can find the function`
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`15:47.29`	`Matrix110`	`waits for Files to update`
`15:48.02`	`Fisker-`	`no parking Matrix110`
`15:48.42`	`starlon`	`lol`
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`15:53.08`	`Pkekyo\|`	`dualwield = lvl 40 for shammies?`
`15:54.02`	`DARKGuy`	`What would a dualwield shammy be good for? (never played shammies)`
`15:54.05`	`erikh`	`talent IIRC`
`15:54.16`	`erikh`	`DARKGuy: enhancement`
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`15:54.37`	`DARKGuy`	`Oh.. with a good offhand maybe?`
`15:54.38`	`erikh`	`whirlwind totem + weapon enchants = lots of melee dps`
`15:54.54`	`DARKGuy`	`:D cool`
`15:55.13`	`sacarasc`	`i have a dual wielding shammy`
`15:55.29`	`sacarasc`	`Pkekyo\|: 40 is the first level you can take the talent, yeah`
`15:55.31`	`Pkekyo\|`	`it's decent for leveling, no?`
`15:55.47`	`erikh`	`my wife has two shammies, she swears by it for leveling`
`15:55.48`	`sacarasc`	`you die a lot, but it's fun`
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`16:03.35`	`Pkekyo\|`	`why two shammies?`
`16:03.48`	`Pkekyo\|`	`also, allies are cunts`
`16:04.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`your allies, maybe.`
`16:05.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`also: can't wait for my shaman to be 40, although 2H WF owns the shit out of stuff when it procs, I hate the slow swing timer :>`
`16:05.05`	`Pkekyo\|`	`most definitely`
`16:05.31`	`Wraithan`	`Gnarfoz: that is why my joust, not just stand there`
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`16:07.12`	`Pkekyo\|`	`fucking piece of shit rogues`
`16:07.34`	`Wraithan`	`PvPing with the SM axe with windfury is a blast`
`16:08.16`	`Wraithan`	`maybe a better weapon by the time you are top of the bracket`
`16:10.09`	`Pkekyo\|`	`all rogues are without fail complete fuckwads`
`16:10.34`	`starlon`	`durcyn: Added your patch and fixed (I think) that raid icon bug`
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`16:14.12`	`ckknight`	`Pkekyo\|: you know what's sad? I try not to stereotype, I try to welcome rogues into a PUG, but every time, I'm disappointed`
`16:14.23`	`ckknight`	`I've just stopped inviting rogues`
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`16:14.29`	`ckknight`	`anyone else I'm quite comfortable with`
`16:14.31`	`ckknight`	`sighs`
`16:15.09`	`SunTsu`	`PUGging is broken at my realm atm`
`16:15.44`	`SunTsu`	`Yesterday a PUG made it to opera event in karazhan with mostly t4/t5 equipped members`
`16:18.44`	`Pkekyo\|`	`rogues are broken on every realm :p`
`16:19.37`	`SunTsu`	`Pkekyo\|: Yeah, there are only very few good rogues. And reading the rogue forums tells you why.`
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`16:22.45`	`Fisker-`	`fuck you ckknight`
`16:22.47`	`Fisker-`	`i'm an awesome rogue`
`16:22.49`	`Fisker-`	`or atleast was`
`16:22.50`	`Fisker-`	`;_;`
`16:23.01`	`Fisker-`	`just blizzard that sucks @ making a class useful`
`16:23.16`	`ckknight`	`it's not the class, it's the people who play them`
`16:23.17`	`ckknight`	`ugh`
`16:23.20`	`SunTsu`	`.o0( Like the rogue that nearly wiped us on the entrance of Mechanar ten times. Always wanted to sap those Mobs while approaching them up front without distracting them. "They ee me because I am a combat rogue!" - yeah, of course )`
`16:23.22`	`Wraithan`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:23.25`	`Fisker-`	`Oh the irony that i would reroll paladin`
`16:23.38`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I'm with ckknight`
`16:23.42`	`SunTsu`	`s/ee/see/`
`16:23.48`	`Fisker-`	`I'm not, it's always the class >:O`
`16:23.54`	`Pkekyo\|`	`it's a bloody miracle to group with a rogue that's not a complete fuckwad`
`16:24.03`	`ckknight`	`I've known but one good rogue`
`16:24.05`	`Fisker-`	`infact everyone should take out their rage on blizzard`
`16:24.07`	`ckknight`	`that's Antiarc`
`16:24.11`	`Pkekyo\|`	`even more of a miracle to meet one of the opposing faction that's not fuckwadly beyond belief`
`16:24.11`	`Fisker-`	`Antiarc isn't good`
`16:24.13`	`Fisker-`	`:D`
`16:24.17`	`ckknight`	`he's not a lamer`
`16:24.21`	`Wraithan`	`Even my friends who are rogues, most of them are asshats in game`
`16:24.23`	`Fisker-`	`but i am :(`
`16:24.28`	`Fisker-`	`and i'm good`
`16:24.52`	`Matrix110`	`I made Gnomeregan with a Hunter...when we reached the elevator we even asked him if hes sure that he doesnt need to dismiss his pet....he insisted that he doesnt have to dismiss it......`
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`16:26.31`	`durcyn`	`starlon: oh, nice ;)`
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`16:35.05`	`Aiiane`	`pallys are useful.... gogo tankadin :D`
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`16:38.23`	`Megalon`	`but Fisker- ain't useful :(`
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`16:50.45`	`CIA-44`	`03starlon * r78393 10StarTip/Modules/Text.lua:`
`16:50.45`	`CIA-44`	`StarTip:`
`16:50.45`	`CIA-44`	`- Fix options - v -> val`
`16:50.45`	`CIA-44`	`- Actually skip disabled lines`
`16:50.45`	`CIA-44`	`03ag * r78397 10Fortress/Core.lua:`
`16:50.46`	`CIA-44`	`Fortress:`
`16:50.48`	`CIA-44`	`- get launcher text from toc`
`16:50.50`	`CIA-44`	`03starlon * r78398 10StarTip/Modules/Text.lua: StarTip: Make talent libraries optional. Thanks durcyn for the patch.`
`16:51.15`	`CIA-44`	`03saroz * r78402 10Whisp/embeds.xml:`
`16:51.15`	`CIA-44`	`Whisp:`
`16:51.15`	`CIA-44`	`- I am in your mod, fixing your shit!`
`16:51.58`	`Gnarfoz`	Funkeh`: http://pastey.net/91293 < spam got past BadBoy, for some reason oO
`16:52.54`	`CIA-44`	`03starlon * r78403 10StarTip/Modules/Text.lua: StarTip: Create upvalues for globals used in the Text module`
`16:53.03`	`starlon`	`Woah`
`16:53.07`	`starlon`	`spams the world`
`16:53.39`	`charon`	`Threat-2.0 folks: RFC http://rafb.net/p/y8omEp16.html -- intended to prevent multiple firings of the ThreatUpdated callback during a single frame`
`16:55.10`	`charon`	`can i safely SetScript() a lot to only have the onupdate handler in place if it is actually needed?`
`16:55.54`	`nevcairiel`	`alot meaning?`
`16:56.30`	`charon`	`once on every pass through ThreatUpdated (when i know i'm going to need it), then set back to nil when it's done`
`16:57.23`	`charon`	`since there are about 30 events/s on average in my 25-man logs, counting breaks too, that means more than once per frame.`
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`17:02.58`	`Gnarfoz`	`charon: oO hm wouldn't that decrease performance?`
`17:03.19`	`charon`	`well in an AoE setting you can expect several events for the same source-target pair`
`17:03.32`	`charon`	`currently, each would cause the ThreatUpdated callback to fire which means all sort of work in Omen`
`17:03.55`	`charon`	`so i'm trying to cut that down to one firing at OnUpdate so as to reduce the number of callbacks`
`17:04.08`	`charon`	`bah, redundant english repeats itself`
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`17:06.40`	`charon`	`i should add that wowwiki told me OnUpdate always runs after all other event handlers`
`17:06.47`	`charon`	`anyway, bbl`
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`17:15.23`	`CIA-44`	`03durcyn * r78405 10Heatsink/ (Heatsink.lua TinyGratuity.lua): Heatsink: iron out the last few TinyGratuity errors, now actually works.`
`17:15.23`	`CIA-44`	`03funkydude * r78404 10BadBoy/BadBoy.lua: BadBoy: Updated Blacklist`
`17:25.27`	`[dRaCo]`	`wtb chatter option to hide names of people joining/leaving bgs`
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`17:32.57`	`aestil`	`vithos`
`17:33.08`	`vithos`	`hi`
`17:33.27`	`aestil`	`i got new belt out of hyjal`
`17:33.29`	`aestil`	`hold for it`
`17:33.47`	`aestil`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30919`
`17:34.02`	`aestil`	`i can pass on badge belt for now then?`
`17:34.54`	`vithos`	`well done.`
`17:34.57`	`vithos`	`yeah`
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`17:36.53`	`aestil`	`have 100 badges, so i'm still wearing blue pants out of ramparts`
`17:36.57`	`aestil`	`and the gun from steamvaults`
`17:37.04`	`aestil`	`i guess first goal has to be the badge bow.`
`17:37.09`	`winkiller`	`hehe`
`17:37.11`	`aestil`	`i should be getting the najentus polearm`
`17:37.28`	`NeoTron`	`I've heard the badge crossbow beats the bow off ARchimonde at least`
`17:37.32`	`vithos`	`link your armory again?`
`17:37.39`	`Stanzilla`	ag`: with FacadeBuffs..the second row of buffs is miss-aligned
`17:37.41`	`winkiller`	`first kara run with 2 hunters (just prince left). 1x t4 head, 1x bow :P`
`17:37.55`	`winkiller`	`2 happy hunters`
`17:37.57`	`vithos`	`NeoTron: it does`
`17:38.14`	`NeoTron`	`aestil: Cant' possibly beat my hunter's gear - http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kilrogg&n=Ilun`
`17:39.03`	`NeoTron`	`going to see how fast I can gear her up but I just got 70 last night shortly before our SWP raid`
`17:39.08`	`winkiller`	`wow, I never got so many greens`
`17:39.11`	`aestil`	`http://armorylite.com/us/Darkspear/fdas`
`17:39.14`	`winkiller`	`I just have UB normal blues`
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`17:39.44`	`NeoTron`	`as I said, I just got leveled up and didn't do any instances on the way`
`17:39.55`	`Aiiane`	`cringes at both those armorys :P`
`17:39.57`	`NeoTron`	`at least I got an epic flyer!`
`17:40.28`	`winkiller`	`http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=aggramar&n=grimfang`
`17:40.35`	`winkiller`	`half epic, half UB normal ftw`
`17:40.36`	`NeoTron`	`this is more the face of pain: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kilrogg&n=Aminai`
`17:41.35`	`Aiiane`	`see to me anyone with the capability of doing that should have no problem gearing an alt :\|`
`17:41.47`	`NeoTron`	`not so much`
`17:42.02`	`NeoTron`	`like we do offnight hyjal runs (or did once). I'll bring my hunter in on those`
`17:42.16`	`NeoTron`	`because I'm the raid leader, I can do that ;-)`
`17:42.25`	`Stanzilla`	ag`: looks like that http://images.gammatester.com/pics/cc5a8330b40401d4bb59f78d04bda52c.jpg
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`17:43.19`	`aestil`	`i've been 70 for 2 weeks and have run kara 3 times now with very few gear upgrades.`
`17:43.24`	`Aiiane`	`of course im a little biased in that regard since i have 3 geared 70s >.>`
`17:43.28`	`aestil`	`najentus polearm will be mine shortly.`
`17:44.00`	`Aiiane`	`and it sort of irks me to see people in greens get handed bt gear :/`
`17:44.18`	`winkiller`	`idd`
`17:44.36`	`winkiller`	`we're halfway through BT/MH and still dont take alts to SSC/TK`
`17:44.49`	`winkiller`	`unless we need em for class balance`
`17:44.50`	`NeoTron`	`I have a pally with kara/za prot gear and kara/za healing gea`
`17:44.52`	`aestil`	`if we are working on mu'ru, who cares about BT gear?`
`17:45.01`	`NeoTron`	`I could be better geared but I just don't care about the pally`
`17:45.11`	`aestil`	`the polearm that the worst hunter alt in my guild has?`
`17:45.13`	`NeoTron`	`winkiller: offnight alt bt/hyjal ftw`
`17:45.15`	`aestil`	`yeah, thats really 'irksome'`
`17:45.18`	`Aiiane`	`aestil: the 1000s of other people on your server who don't have access to bt gear yet? :P`
`17:45.31`	`NeoTron`	`Aiiane: that'd be their fault`
`17:45.36`	`winkiller`	`maybe we should do offnight SSC really...`
`17:45.40`	`NeoTron`	`and they have access to it from badges (rather, the equivalent)`
`17:46.01`	`vithos`	`or better, in most cases`
`17:46.11`	`Aiiane`	`that depends a lot`
`17:46.19`	`winkiller`	`my alt druid will hit 1800 healing soon`
`17:46.23`	`winkiller`	`nerf badge gear`
`17:46.24`	`Wraithan`	`We were doing SSC then there was a riot incited and the guild broke in half`
`17:46.28`	`NeoTron`	`it does but I hardly think that there's much cause to complain atm`
`17:46.36`	`aestil`	`too bad they suck at playing?`
`17:46.46`	`Wraithan`	`So now the guild runs Kara a couple times a week`
`17:46.55`	`NeoTron`	`I could have badged up my pally but opted to buy gems and sell them instead`
`17:46.57`	`aestil`	`too bad my guild would rather have me as a hunter`
`17:47.02`	`NeoTron`	`because I don't care`
`17:47.03`	`Wraithan`	`Not sure if we are going to rebuild this guild or start anew \`
`17:47.20`	`sacarasc`	`Wraithan: something similar happened to my guild... except it's just summer and people haven't been turning up`
`17:48.07`	`Wraithan`	`sacarasc: we had someone piss off half the players in the guild, and get the other half on his side about the fact that we weren't progressing fast enough`
`17:48.29`	`Wraithan`	`so we lost about half of each side`
`17:49.01`	`Wraithan`	`the ones saying we were going too slow that stayed, have all basically quit the game`
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`17:49.25`	`aestil`	`lawl at the person who cares what someone elses guild does. we sell BoE epic paterns, and some gems.`
`17:49.29`	`aestil`	`but we don't sell raid spots.`
`17:49.34`	`aestil`	`i guess you'd prefer we did that.`
`17:49.49`	`Aiiane`	`Honestly, what you do is up to you, I just said the concept in general irks me.`
`17:52.09`	`aestil`	`it irks you that i switched mains, and that the guild sees an interest in gearing me up?`
`17:52.51`	`Aiiane`	`Well, you didn't note that you had switched mains.`
`17:53.01`	`aestil`	`how is it relevant though?`
`17:53.14`	`Aiiane`	`But yes, the fact that you have the option to do that is mildly irksome.`
`17:53.38`	`aestil`	`actually, its my guild, we are 4/6 in sunwell, and the first boss in BT which is mostly void crystal fodder... i'm just like, what else should we do with it?`
`17:54.03`	`Aiiane`	`Bring someone along who has a decent head on their shoulders but hasn't had the chance to experience BT content yet?`
`17:54.13`	`Aiiane`	`That'd be the "nice" thing to do, if not the "optimal".`
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`17:54.51`	`aestil`	`how do we find these people?`
`17:55.21`	`Aiiane`	`Let them find you?`
`17:56.45`	`Aiiane`	`Find a guild that's less progressed, but seems to be doing decently, and offer to let some of their members tag along if you have spots in lesser content?`
`17:57.07`	`Wraithan`	`My guild may just wait until the expansion running kara and PvPing , since there are supposed to be 10 man versions of everything right?`
`17:57.16`	`aestil`	`wtf. you make no sense aiiane`
`17:57.24`	`aestil`	`socialism ftw.`
`17:57.40`	`Aiiane`	`Yes, being nice makes no sense at all.`
`17:58.17`	`aestil`	`being nice?`
`17:59.21`	`aestil`	`we learn to kill bosses, we have the ability to farm these bosses, but it irks you for us to get the loot from the se bosses, and you would prefer that we truely give out 'welfare epics' to people who can't do his tsame thing`
`17:59.26`	`Dashkal`	`Wraithan: That's what my guild is planning`
`18:00.00`	`Wraithan`	`Dashkal: yeah, lets us keep to just a core group of people, all of us have multiple toons so we can raid more doing 10 mans`
`18:00.02`	`Aiiane`	`no, aestil, that's not what I said at all.`
`18:00.14`	`aestil`	`really?`
`18:00.39`	`Aiiane`	`individuals != guilds`
`18:00.44`	`aestil`	`as soon as all my guilds mains have what we need we should select people in ssc/tk guilds and give them BT / hyjal loot?`
`18:01.15`	`Wraithan`	`Dashkal: It is nice to raid one night on my Shaman then another on my Mage`
`18:01.28`	`Dashkal`	`Wraithan: That's a definite plus`
`18:01.31`	`Aiiane`	`You know what aestil, I'm not going to bother arguing the point`
`18:01.37`	`Dashkal`	`I'll be doing that with my druid and my DK`
`18:01.58`	ag`	`Stanzilla, okay`
`18:02.04`	`Josh_Borke`	`aestil is just wronG!`
`18:02.06`	`Wraithan`	`Dashkal: that is what a lot of us do, couple guys have 4+ 70s they like to raid on, so we can do 10 mans every night and not burn out as fast since we play different characters`
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`18:03.28`	`aestil`	`Aiiane: you should go read the fountainhead or atlas shrugged. that would give you my opinion on what you're talkinga bout.`
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`18:04.21`	`Wraithan`	`Though right now we have Kara to do basically, so we do Kara 2-3 nights a week then we PvP the rest`
`18:04.29`	`Wraithan`	`but we are all kinda casual players`
`18:04.35`	`Aiiane`	`No thanks aestil, I'm perfectly familiar with Ayn Rand and objectivism, and as I said I don't care to argue the point with you`
`18:05.37`	`aestil`	`what you're talking about isn't being nice.`
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`18:05.42`	`aestil`	`calling it 'being nice' is a lie`
`18:06.05`	`aestil`	`being nice would be going on a guilds first runs into Bt and helping them understand what the encounters do, etc.`
`18:06.14`	`aestil`	`helping them work it out.`
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`18:08.45`	`NeoTron`	`aestil: so you're changing class to hunter for the guild?`
`18:08.57`	`vithos`	`aestil: yeah, the badge bow is definitely going to be the best item to take first`
`18:09.07`	`NeoTron`	`Interesting since for a little while I was planning the same - then we found two excellent hunter recruits and it no longer became necessary`
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`18:09.15`	`NeoTron`	`although I'm still considering it for the expansion`
`18:09.19`	`vithos`	`the legs, ring, gloves etc are all about equal to each other in upgrade magnitude`
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`18:11.07`	`Wraithan`	`I was considering bringing up a priest or druid to raid on`
`18:11.18`	`Wraithan`	`So if we need a healer I don't have to respec my shaman to resto`
`18:11.23`	`vithos`	`probably ring after bow though, due to the different badge costs`
`18:11.32`	`aestil`	`NeoTron: yes.`
`18:11.37`	`aestil`	`vithos: yeah, i thought so.`
`18:11.42`	`aestil`	`50 badges away.`
`18:12.05`	`aestil`	`i might have get a guild pug of vashj/kael so i can get the hyjal ring.`
`18:12.14`	`aestil`	`it seems pretty good, even like the friendly level one.`
`18:12.27`	`Zicon`	`The hyjal ring is awesomecakes.`
`18:12.34`	`vithos`	`it's not terrible, but the ZA ring is better`
`18:12.45`	`aestil`	`the third chest?`
`18:12.48`	`vithos`	`yeah`
`18:12.54`	`vithos`	`it's identical to the badge ring`
`18:12.56`	`aestil`	`only one that ever drops is the stam gem`
`18:13.02`	`vithos`	`they're best in slot pre sunwell`
`18:13.16`	`aestil`	`how many badges is badge ring?`
`18:13.20`	`aestil`	`[say 25]`
`18:13.22`	`vithos`	`60`
`18:13.26`	`aestil`	`super fail.`
`18:13.37`	`aestil`	`i think after bow i need badge legs?`
`18:13.42`	`aestil`	`ramparts gear still is fail.`
`18:13.45`	`vithos`	`the legs are 100`
`18:13.53`	`vithos`	`right?`
`18:13.53`	`aestil`	`yeah, but the upgrade looks bigger to me`
`18:14.02`	`NeoTron`	`Wraithan: we have two shammies (one ele, one enhance) that both respec resto as needed`
`18:14.06`	`NeoTron`	`typically for twins`
`18:14.16`	`Wraithan`	`Sucks to go to resto`
`18:14.17`	`Wraithan`	`=(`
`18:14.30`	`aestil`	`still need the BM trinket.`
`18:14.33`	`vithos`	`well, from the items you're using now it's about the same size upgrade`
`18:14.37`	`aestil`	`DST is pretty much not an options.`
`18:14.38`	`NeoTron`	`sucks with some fights requiring 10-11 healers, some requirign 6`
`18:14.39`	`Wraithan`	`we have 4 shamans that raid, 2 are resto all the time (alts) then 2 mains one ele and I am enh`
`18:14.47`	`NeoTron`	`oh btw, we changed up M'uru last night`
`18:14.52`	`NivFreak`	`I've seen 2 DSTs drop since TBC launch`
`18:14.52`	`NivFreak`	`so sad`
`18:14.53`	`NeoTron`	`we use a feral druid to pick up the sentinels`
`18:14.57`	`vithos`	`but i didn't factor in "easy" upgrades you might get in the meantime`
`18:14.57`	`NivFreak`	`I'd like one`
`18:15.15`	`aestil`	`freaking DST has dropped twice for my guild i think`
`18:15.22`	`Aiiane`	`bout the same for us`
`18:15.31`	`NeoTron`	`due to some ppl leaving the guild she's best geared, and also really good as a player. she mostly does fine just eating the void blasts (but we use a grounding totem too)`
`18:15.37`	`aestil`	`the sunwell engineering schematic will be mine.`
`18:15.39`	`Aiiane`	`sad thing is, both recipients have since quit the game`
`18:15.42`	`NivFreak`	`so it took 10 wipes to kill archimonde last night, I fucking hate him so much`
`18:15.44`	`aestil`	`well, either we'll sell it for 20kg`
`18:15.48`	`aestil`	`or they'll give it to me.`
`18:15.48`	`NivFreak`	`and I hate new people`
`18:15.50`	`NivFreak`	`grumbles`
`18:15.55`	`NeoTron`	`we had the same history with skull so far - well 2 dropped, 1 left`
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`18:16.14`	`NeoTron`	`DST is pretty desolate but a couple of ppl have gotten it since we stopped gruul on a regular basis`
`18:16.14`	`aestil`	`i'm the only engineering hunter.`
`18:16.16`	`vithos`	`i think this is the part where i flaunt my DST http://armorylite.com/us/moonrunner/vith`
`18:16.24`	`NeoTron`	`aestil: my lock => only JC caster`
`18:16.24`	`Aiiane`	`lol`
`18:16.28`	`NeoTron`	`can't wait for the neck to drop`
`18:16.37`	`aestil`	`:)`
`18:16.41`	`Aiiane`	`vithos: system error :P`
`18:16.49`	`vithos`	`hmm.. fail`
`18:17.04`	`vithos`	`http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Moonrunner&n=Vith`
`18:17.05`	`aestil`	`vithos, besides T6, which is a probable upgrade for me, what gloves are there? have T4 atm`
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`18:17.37`	`Aiiane`	`what spec aes?`
`18:17.50`	`aestil`	`cookie 41/20`
`18:18.11`	`aestil`	`also, if i get teh badge haste mh weapon, i will have 116 haste.`
`18:18.29`	`NeoTron`	`what's really funny btw, is that uif I went to karazhan today I most likely would outdps quite a few people I've run kara with`
`18:18.51`	`vithos`	`75 badge gloves, najentus gloves`
`18:19.15`	`aestil`	`ok, cool. najentus then.`
`18:19.24`	ag`	`Stanzilla, I don't get that problem... What buttonfacade is that?`
`18:19.34`	`Stanzilla`	`Apathy`
`18:19.52`	`NeoTron`	`I am a bit more motivated now to get alt-raids going again. hehe`
`18:20.03`	ag`	`Stanzilla, ah wait, it has to do with the scale Stanzilla`
`18:20.08`	ag`	`I see it now`
`18:20.11`	`aestil`	`i was just under 1k dps in hyjal last night.`
`18:20.14`	`aestil`	`over 1k on bosses.`
`18:20.15`	`NeoTron`	`I have realized I really don't play my paladin (or rather, don't like to) so I want to gear my hunter best I can`
`18:20.17`	`Stanzilla`	`ah ok`
`18:20.25`	`aestil`	`with m y retarded gun, i'm not too displeased with that.`
`18:20.34`	`NeoTron`	`I think I couldn't do much more than 500 dps at this point`
`18:21.14`	`vithos`	`what kind of group synergy did you have?`
`18:21.18`	`NeoTron`	`need to respec cookie cutter too now when I'm done leveling`
`18:21.44`	`NeoTron`	`vithos: sadly enough I think a SP would be the best synergy for my huntard at this pioint. :P Imagine I'd go OOM pretty fast otherwise`
`18:22.05`	`aestil`	`i didn't have an Spriest`
`18:22.22`	`vithos`	`fuck sp, jow please!`
`18:22.25`	`vithos`	`:D`
`18:22.27`	`aestil`	`had a enhance shaman and dps warior..`
`18:22.34`	`aestil`	`on trash in hyjal JoW doesn't help`
`18:22.47`	`aestil`	`3 hunters and a warrior`
`18:22.56`	`aestil`	`we had the agi totem`
`18:23.16`	`aestil`	`i think we had 1 survival and 2 BM.`
`18:23.19`	`aestil`	`myself and someone else.`
`18:23.24`	`Aiiane`	`so GoA, BShout, bloodlust, manaspring?`
`18:23.26`	`aestil`	`3 pallies in raid so wisdom/might/kings`
`18:23.39`	`aestil`	`bshout good for pets only, but yes.`
`18:23.53`	`aestil`	`i out dps'd that said shaman.`
`18:23.56`	`vithos`	`pretty good group then`
`18:24.32`	`Aiiane`	`no luck on a feral druid i take it`
`18:25.13`	`aestil`	`we had boomkin druid in the raid.`
`18:25.21`	`aestil`	`only druid last night.`
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`18:25.43`	`NeoTron`	`vithos: true JoW is good`
`18:25.50`	`NeoTron`	`I haven't even done a 5-man instance with my hunter yet`
`18:25.55`	`aestil`	`i'm sorta a weaksauce hunter until i get badge weapon and upgrade legs / melee weapon.`
`18:25.58`	`NeoTron`	`I really don't know how I'd do :P`
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`18:26.12`	`kadrahil`	`i never get a feral druid in raids anymore`
`18:26.26`	`kadrahil`	`they always stack him in the melee group`
`18:26.26`	`kadrahil`	`i'm lucky if i get a shaman`
`18:26.26`	`NeoTron`	`I need to go get myself a new pet too`
`18:26.26`	`Stanzilla`	ag`: oh and weapon buffs look weird, too
`18:26.28`	`NeoTron`	`bird isn't exactly a good raiding pet`
`18:26.32`	`NivFreak`	`We had 2xferal, 1xresto, 1xboomkin last night`
`18:26.34`	`NivFreak`	`<3 druids`
`18:26.38`	`vithos`	`i almost always get a feral druid, but it's not like a feral druid is better than another BM hunter in the group anyway`
`18:26.39`	`kadrahil`	`wow`
`18:26.39`	`aestil`	`ravager until you need caster pet for brutalis`
`18:26.45`	`kadrahil`	`our guild pretty much only has 1 feral and 1 resto right now`
`18:26.52`	`vithos`	`or a dps warrior for that matter`
`18:26.54`	`kadrahil`	`1 backup feral that has like 50% attendance`
`18:27.04`	`NeoTron`	`aestil: ravagers seems to work fine on brutallus`
`18:27.14`	`NeoTron`	`meaning seems comparable to a wind serpent`
`18:27.29`	`kadrahil`	`i thought wind serpents were bad for shamans?`
`18:27.34`	`vithos`	`birds are actually pretty good raiding pets, it's just that the tank taking less damage doesn't make your lower dps look any better`
`18:27.35`	`NeoTron`	`esp since windserpent doesn't seem to crit nearly as much thus less group buffage`
`18:27.48`	`NeoTron`	`vithos: THAT is true yes`
`18:28.06`	`vithos`	`wind serpents cut into elemental shaman dps when there's an enh shaman, by stealing the nature buff charges`
`18:28.07`	`NeoTron`	`kadrahil: they would eat the stormstrike charges possibly`
`18:28.12`	`kadrahil`	`my guild has actually been wanting me to raid as survival lately`
`18:28.14`	`kadrahil`	`i hate it :(`
`18:28.17`	`kadrahil`	`i love being top 2-3 dps`
`18:28.31`	`kadrahil`	`NeoTron: yeah`
`18:28.38`	`vithos`	`i love survival. as long as i'm not the one playing it`
`18:28.42`	`kadrahil`	`^`
`18:28.51`	`kadrahil`	`we really need a third hunter`
`18:28.54`	`kadrahil`	`to stay survival`
`18:29.20`	`kadrahil`	`cause right now the hunter group has been 2 hunters, shaman, and 2 random people`
`18:29.22`	`kadrahil`	`and it sucks heh`
`18:29.46`	`kadrahil`	`and by right now i meant lately because that didn't make a whole lot of sense`
`18:29.48`	`vithos`	`my group is resto shaman, bm, bm, bm, feral usually`
`18:29.55`	`kadrahil`	`yeah, i want that`
`18:29.57`	`vithos`	`we need a 4th hunter and for him to go survival`
`18:30.01`	`vithos`	`and kick the feral out`
`18:30.12`	`kadrahil`	`;o`
`18:30.22`	`kadrahil`	`are your hunters top 3 dps?`
`18:30.40`	`vithos`	`me and the other geared one are`
`18:30.43`	`kadrahil`	`ah`
`18:30.45`	`vithos`	`just got a new hunter this week`
`18:30.50`	`kadrahil`	`how much armor ignore are you up to now?`
`18:31.06`	`vithos`	`in my legit gear, 910 i think`
`18:31.10`	`kadrahil`	`wow nice`
`18:31.12`	`vithos`	`it's gone down lately`
`18:31.14`	`kadrahil`	`i'm just over 500 :/`
`18:31.33`	`kadrahil`	`but we aren't in sunwell yet, we're still farming illidan and sunwell trash.. haven't made any real attempts on kalecgos`
`18:31.49`	`Aiiane`	`am I misremebering? I thought the survival debuff was effective raid-wide`
`18:31.54`	`kadrahil`	`it is`
`18:31.57`	`vithos`	`it is`
`18:32.16`	`vithos`	`but you wouldn't want to not give him GoA`
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`18:32.26`	`vithos`	`i'm not that greedy that i wouldn't want him in the group :P`
`18:32.28`	`kadrahil`	`exactly`
`18:32.30`	`kadrahil`	`lol`
`18:32.32`	`Aiiane`	`lol k :P`
`18:32.38`	`kadrahil`	`how much agi does he have raid buffed?`
`18:32.39`	`Aiiane`	`wasn't sure how "greedy" you were being :P`
`18:32.41`	`kadrahil`	`without goa`
`18:32.49`	`vithos`	`probably around 1300`
`18:32.54`	`vithos`	`well, that'd be with`
`18:32.56`	`kadrahil`	`holy crap`
`18:33.03`	`kadrahil`	`i'm behind in my survival gear then`
`18:33.23`	`kadrahil`	`goa is 77 agi right?`
`18:33.29`	`vithos`	`untalented yeah`
`18:33.41`	`vithos`	`or is it talented 77.. i forget`
`18:33.47`	`Megalon`	`88 talented`
`18:33.49`	`Wraithan`	`untalented`
`18:33.50`	`kadrahil`	`ah`
`18:33.57`	`Aiiane`	`nods`
`18:33.59`	`kadrahil`	`then with goa i'd be at 1034 in surv gear`
`18:34.01`	`kadrahil`	`t.t`
`18:34.27`	`kadrahil`	`need to get a new cloak, neck, and t6 chest so i can use azgalor pants then i'd be around 1150`
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`18:37.10`	`charon`	`kicks CIA-44`
`18:37.10`	`vithos`	`i still need to get the stupid ZA cloak`
`18:37.14`	`kadrahil`	`yeah`
`18:37.20`	`kadrahil`	`i haven't been to za in a while :(`
`18:37.30`	`vithos`	`it finally dropped a few weeks ago but we had a customer who wanted it :/`
`18:37.38`	`kadrahil`	`ah`
`18:37.59`	`nevcairiel`	`we only sell the bear, not other shit :p`
`18:38.12`	`vithos`	`we sell both at the same time`
`18:38.17`	`kadrahil`	`yeah we're going to start selling bears soon when all the guildies have them`
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`18:38.27`	`vithos`	`sometimes to multiple people in the same run`
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`18:44.28`	`kadrahil`	`off to clas`
`18:44.29`	`kadrahil`	`s`
`18:44.30`	`kadrahil`	`peace`
`18:44.34`	`sacarasc`	`my guild is pretty much dead for raiding though :(`
`18:44.35`	`sacarasc`	`bye`
`18:44.40`	`vithos`	`later`
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`18:47.54`	`winkiller`	`<- 3/4 5/6 3/4 4/9 - and another wipe on vashj :P`
`18:48.27`	`nevcairiel`	`guilds that dont even finish one instance are stupid :P`
`18:48.45`	`winkiller`	`ah well, working on vashj atm`
`18:49.05`	`winkiller`	`and it's dull, MH and BT were nice for a change`
`18:50.14`	`Aiiane`	`er, isnt MH /5?`
`18:50.32`	`winkiller`	`ya. typo`
`18:50.36`	`Aiiane`	`k :)`
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`18:52.14`	`syeren`	`Vashj is the hardest fight in the game pre-muru :p`
`18:52.18`	`syeren`	`So kind of expected :p`
`18:52.44`	`aestil`	`vashj is not the hardest fight pre mu'ru`
`18:52.49`	`aestil`	`pre nerf kael was the hardest fight`
`18:52.55`	`syeren`	`YEAH`
`18:52.58`	`aestil`	`especially if your guild had only 3 AoE classes to kill him`
`18:53.02`	`syeren`	`BECAUSE PRE NERF KAEL IS IN THE GAME NOW RIGHT?`
`18:53.08`	`aestil`	`kael is still harder.`
`18:53.13`	`syeren`	`Fucking people and their lack of reading comprehension.`
`18:53.18`	`aestil`	`eat me.`
`18:53.25`	`syeren`	`Current Kael is easier than Vashj.`
`18:53.30`	`aestil`	`vashj has never been harder than kael.`
`18:54.02`	`NeoTron`	`The similarities between M'uru and Vashj are rather stunning`
`18:54.10`	`syeren`	`Boss.`
`18:54.12`	`syeren`	`Zerg.`
`18:54.14`	`syeren`	`Psycho boss.`
`18:54.20`	`NeoTron`	`we survived 3.5m last night, getting M'uru to 39%`
`18:54.24`	`NeoTron`	`quite an improvement :P`
`18:54.29`	`NeoTron`	`it's nice that we're actually improving`
`18:54.29`	`aestil`	`last night was our first try`
`18:54.38`	`aestil`	`server crashed right after we killed twins`
`18:54.42`	`aestil`	`it was down for almost an hour`
`18:54.44`	`NeoTron`	`the run in and whoopsiedead`
`18:54.50`	`aestil`	`we got back in pulled mu'ru like 6 times.`
`18:54.52`	`aestil`	`best attempt was 77%`
`18:54.53`	`NeoTron`	`you can live easily for a minute`
`18:55.12`	`NeoTron`	`we get him down to like 78% before the first sentinel, approximately`
`18:59.15`	`cncfanatics`	`anyone can suggest me a good timer addon ? (I'm a resto druid)`
`18:59.22`	`aestil`	`someone refresh my memory.`
`18:59.37`	`aestil`	`to be attuned for hyjal, you just pick up the quest in CoT and then kill vashj/kale and then turn in?`
`19:00.35`	`cncfanatics`	`there is no attunement to hyjal anymore`
`19:00.39`	`cncfanatics`	`but that was the old attunement yes`
`19:00.51`	`aestil`	`to get the ring you need to complete the attunment`
`19:02.13`	`NeoTron`	`aestil: that is correct`
`19:02.16`	`*** join/#wowace Mytos (n=nate@c-76-99-113-54.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)`
`19:03.18`	`*** join/#wowace Kalman\| (n=delay@adsl-76-226-84-128.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net)`
`19:03.27`	`*** join/#wowace kenlyric (n=kenlyric@iu-itpo-vreris.itpo.iu.edu)`
`19:04.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah, woot`
`19:04.41`	`Gnarfoz`	`illidan down :D`
`19:04.49`	`sb`	`grats`
`19:05.18`	`winkiller`	`gratz`
`19:05.33`	`winkiller`	`raid 0 - 4 vashj here :P`
`19:07.05`	`vithos`	`vashj is a fun fight`
`19:07.36`	`NeoTron`	`vithos: which is why I enjoy M'uru`
`19:07.40`	`winkiller`	`I'd love to see p3 tbh`
`19:07.40`	`Mytos`	`vashj is a pain if youve got macronoobs and anti-mod players`
`19:07.53`	`vithos`	`i liked m'uru`
`19:08.04`	`vithos`	`but not anymore`
`19:08.15`	`Mytos`	`why not anymore?`
`19:08.20`	`vithos`	`people keep gamequitting`
`19:08.24`	`vithos`	`or not showing up`
`19:08.29`	`vithos`	`so our raid is always different`
`19:08.33`	`Mytos`	`recruit me lol, id love to go into sunwell`
`19:08.35`	`vithos`	`so every raid is spent rebalancing`
`19:10.05`	`NeoTron`	`vithos: kind of sucks`
`19:10.09`	`NeoTron`	`so far we're ok`
`19:10.14`	`NeoTron`	`how long ahve you bene on M'uru?`
`19:10.45`	`vithos`	`let me look up when our twins kill was`
`19:10.47`	`vithos`	`i don't remember`
`19:10.52`	`NeoTron`	`we progressed pretty slowly overall in SWP due to similar issues`
`19:11.00`	`NeoTron`	`so we've been used to harsh nights of raiding already`
`19:13.02`	`Mytos`	`its like aq40 all over imo`
`19:13.23`	`Mytos`	`people jumpin guilds left and right just because that guild is one boss farther`
`19:13.37`	`*** join/#wowace CIA-44 (n=CIA@208.69.182.149.simpli.biz)`
`19:14.10`	`Stanzilla`	ag`: k it aligns right now, just weapon buffs are not skinned.
`19:14.49`	`NeoTron`	`Mytos: often though, with good reasons.`
`19:14.56`	`vithos`	`5/22/08`
`19:14.59`	`NeoTron`	`there's a lot of bad guilds that have managed to get into SWP`
`19:15.10`	`NeoTron`	`vithos: so yeah that's a while now`
`19:15.16`	`vithos`	`so yeah approaching 2 months`
`19:15.29`	`NeoTron`	`Jun 20 for us`
`19:15.37`	ag`	`Stanzilla, they seem skinned to me`
`19:16.07`	`Mytos`	`yea, i think blizzards approach to nerfing attunements every other patch is overkill, i agree with them that at the time the attunements to ssc and tk were too much, but i dont think hyjals or bt were hard at all`
`19:16.49`	`Stanzilla`	ag`: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/bc88ff834541ea3748f0ca24d9c553d2.jpg
`19:17.10`	ag`	`Stanzilla, made sure you set a buttonfacade for it?`
`19:17.11`	`Stanzilla`	ag`: ah wait
`19:17.17`	`Stanzilla`	`I had to re-apply the skin`
`19:17.29`	`Stanzilla`	`works now :)`
`19:17.33`	`NeoTron`	`hyjal and BT were fine`
`19:17.35`	`Mytos`	`which buffmod is that? buffalo?`
`19:17.57`	`NeoTron`	`but I do think vashj and kt were slightly too hard with their spot in progression`
`19:18.05`	`Stanzilla`	`FacadeBuffs @ Mytos`
`19:18.06`	`NeoTron`	`esp since bt/hyjal are easier for the most part`
`19:18.10`	`Mytos`	`yeah, i dont think that having to kill the end bosses for the previous raids is too much to ask at all`
`19:18.14`	`NeoTron`	`SSC/TK trash is also easier than BT trash at least`
`19:18.26`	`Zhinjio`	`hey ... do y'all have any guidelines per class on gear/stat reqs for raids beyond gruuls?`
`19:18.35`	`Mytos`	`facadebuffs? is that just a facade plugin to apply to default buffs or a buffmod on its own?`
`19:18.39`	`NeoTron`	`Mytos: flipside is to have bosses that require gear from previous instances, which is what SWP is`
`19:18.40`	`Zhinjio`	`I'm trying to gather some data for my raid officer, whos become a slacker.`
`19:19.07`	ag`	`Mytos, it is a pretty simple buff addon that does some basic things...`
`19:19.07`	`NeoTron`	`although I think the BWL approach with no trash (or at least very little) before the first boss is better since now many just farm the SWP trash`
`19:19.47`	`Mytos`	`id say that if they cant field 1600+heals or 1000+dmg or 14khp unbuffed overall theyre pretty low zhin`
`19:20.23`	`vithos`	`yeah i really don't like how SWP trash drops are`
`19:21.09`	`vithos`	`people who aren't in sunwell guilds have more trash loot than sunwell guilds have`
`19:21.18`	`Zhinjio`	`Mytos: hav you ever seen forum posts or anything ... even on a per guild basis, that gets more specific, and especially per class?`
`19:21.30`	`Mytos`	`yeah, personally im of the opinion trash shouldnt drop anything that valuable just make the bosses drop it in higher numbers like ony and sulfuron`
`19:21.44`	`Zhinjio`	`people want targets to shoot for, since they can't understand what "you have to kick ass" means.`
`19:21.53`	`Stanzilla`	ag`: do you plan to add a feature to change the width of the rows?
`19:22.04`	`Stanzilla`	`or the numbers of buffs per line`
`19:22.06`	`aestil`	`is it my imagination or does my game run less smoothly when using aloft?`
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`19:22.07`	`Fisker-`	`They should up trash drops then Mytos`
`19:22.25`	`Chompers`	`shahraz is lol`
`19:22.33`	`Chompers`	`after RoS, it feels so easy`
`19:22.46`	`Dashkal`	`facadebuffs a replacement for buffalo?`
`19:22.50`	`Fisker-`	`fuck you Chompers`
`19:22.59`	`Mytos`	`i have zhin, but with sockets and enchants being a big variable aswell as variations in spec will make most "needed" stats not really needed`
`19:22.59`	ag`	`Stanzilla, I might, but I it depends if it can be done easily, because I am ok with 8 per line. Currently all I can say is that if you want more advanced stuff then there's Bollo`
`19:23.05`	`Dashkal`	`As in is the feature set compatable?`
`19:23.14`	`Chompers`	`why fisker whyyy`
`19:23.16`	`Stanzilla`	ag`: yeah I saw that
`19:23.31`	`Stanzilla`	`but on widescreen you have more space to the side than down :P`
`19:23.36`	`Zhinjio`	`I'll take whatever I can get right now. if you have links or whatever, feel free to ping me with 'em.`
`19:24.11`	`NeoTron`	`vithos: word`
`19:24.22`	ag`	`Stanzilla, that is true. I might look into it again when I have the time, but the nice thing about FacadeBuffs is that it uses the blizzard buffs, so it is light`
`19:24.26`	`Fisker-`	`Chompers then you are further than us :(`
`19:24.31`	`NeoTron`	`vithos: the fact that the most trash is had before any boss is killed is wrong`
`19:24.32`	`Stanzilla`	`true :)`
`19:24.34`	`Fisker-`	`stupid AoC failures and summer tiems`
`19:24.34`	`aestil`	`guysh on murur.`
`19:24.38`	ag`	`I just want to do things possible while still using the blizzard buff frames`
`19:24.41`	`aestil`	`if you have a drood tank the zerkers`
`19:24.41`	`NeoTron`	`people that wish to progress get close to no loot :-/`
`19:24.49`	`aestil`	`do you have dps warrior disarm for him?`
`19:24.58`	`Mytos`	`ill have to check out facadebuffs then, because buffalos really overkill for what i want`
`19:24.58`	`Fisker-`	`We were competing with another guild`
`19:25.01`	`NeoTron`	`aestil: I found aloft to be quite a cpu hog and stopped using it some time back`
`19:25.07`	`Fisker-`	`and they pretty much went from RoS->Illidan in a matter of weeks`
`19:25.14`	`Chompers`	`Fisker-: it took a guild disband to do it though :<`
`19:25.30`	`NeoTron`	`Chompers: we one shot shahraz`
`19:25.30`	`Fisker-`	`awsum Chompers`
`19:25.31`	`NeoTron`	`only raid boss we've ever killed in the very first try`
`19:25.31`	`aestil`	`RoS isn't as hard as gorefiend is IMO. i hate that encounter`
`19:25.36`	`Fisker-`	`wut?`
`19:25.38`	`Chompers`	`first ever try?`
`19:25.38`	`Fisker-`	`Gorefiend hard?`
`19:25.44`	`Fisker-`	`Depends on tards i guess`
`19:25.48`	`NeoTron`	`Chompers: correct`
`19:25.55`	`Chompers`	`we're getting used to the ports`
`19:25.55`	`aestil`	`we did council on the first night, did RoS on the second night, and did illidian on night 3.`
`19:25.59`	`selckin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:26.00`	`NeoTron`	`Chompers: we didn't even use our SR cauldron because we wanted to "try" it first`
`19:26.05`	`Chompers`	`ha`
`19:26.24`	`Chompers`	`ooh, proper try now`
`19:26.25`	`NeoTron`	`once she died were were like "wait whut just happened here yo!"`
`19:26.47`	`selckin`	`yeah we killed ros and shaz in the same night first time`
`19:26.52`	`selckin`	`the mother is ajoke :)`
`19:27.17`	`NeoTron`	`RoS Down 12/06/2007. Illidan down 12/20/2007`
`19:27.23`	`NeoTron`	`so two weeks between them pretty much`
`19:27.31`	`Mytos`	`is facadebuffs up on updater yet, or just on the svn?`
`19:27.50`	`selckin`	`one of our tanks couldn't grasp the move from beem of death`
`19:28.24`	`Fisker-`	`HOLY SHIT`
`19:28.29`	`Fisker-`	`BEST AI EVAR`
`19:28.34`	`Fisker-`	`HE THROW A DOG AFTER A BALL AND IT FETCHED IT`
`19:28.38`	`Fisker-`	`fuck`
`19:28.38`	ag`	`Mytos, it is on the updater yeah`
`19:28.44`	`Fisker-`	`i mean ball after a dog`
`19:28.52`	`Mytos`	`ok awesome, i get to be lazy`
`19:29.11`	`NeoTron`	`selckin: you mean Illidan?`
`19:29.30`	`NeoTron`	`we've had so many issues with ppl tanking that. Most of the time definitely was phase 2`
`19:30.05`	`selckin`	`yeah once you can do phase 2 hes dead`
`19:30.53`	`Mytos`	`is it as much of a change on illidan after phase2 like it was on the giant blue loot pinata in tk?`
`19:30.55`	`charon`	`in one raid i took two eye blasts on consecutive tries... and survived both`
`19:31.29`	`NeoTron`	`charon: so your fail was saced by luck?`
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`19:31.38`	`selckin`	`yeah, its about 19-20k dmg, if you're not freshly geared its fine`
`19:31.44`	`Trela`	`Tada!`
`19:31.53`	`charon`	`enormous fail. and even more enormous luck.`
`19:32.06`	`selckin`	`or good healers!`
`19:32.11`	`aestil`	`i suck at killing my ghosts`
`19:32.17`	`selckin`	`when it goes wrong always the healers, but hoho if you survive :p`
`19:32.18`	`charon`	`NeoTron: then again talking about fail and failing to spell is not exactly great either :p`
`19:32.23`	`winkiller`	`gorefienf is fun`
`19:32.48`	`selckin`	`i haven't done ghosts in months`
`19:32.53`	`selckin`	`bastard never picks me :(`
`19:33.02`	`Trela`	`I thought this would be the best place to ask. Has any one else seen a visible frame rate glitch issue with the new FuBar?`
`19:33.05`	`selckin`	`think he knows nobody else decurses`
`19:33.42`	`NeoTron`	`Trela: "new FuBar"?`
`19:33.42`	`Chompers`	`15%`
`19:33.44`	`Chompers`	`:o`
`19:33.47`	`Mytos`	`whats the / command for facadebuff`
`19:33.52`	`Trela`	`The latest release from files.wowace.com.`
`19:34.47`	`Trela`	`Actually, I just narrowed it down. I just disabled FuBar_PerformanceFu and the glitch went away! Odd, a performance tracking AddOn kills performance. :P`
`19:34.48`	`Chompers`	`and dead`
`19:34.50`	`Chompers`	`god damn that's easy`
`19:35.18`	`selckin`	`Trela: specially the per addon memory tracking causes things to slow im my experience`
`19:35.31`	`Fisker-`	`i will physically destroy you Chompers`
`19:35.51`	`Fisker-`	`I love you as much as i love the Starship Troopers sequels`
`19:35.59`	`Chompers`	`ouch`
`19:36.03`	`Trela`	`It was just odd that it was causing issues for a 10.64ghz machine. :( Fiddles with the settings.`
`19:36.03`	`Chompers`	`that's pretty harsh`
`19:36.45`	`Mytos`	`theres sequels?`
`19:36.58`	`Aiiane`	`wtb better recruit apps`
`19:37.43`	`Wraithan`	`Trela: 10.64GHz machine?`
`19:37.47`	`Wraithan`	`phasechange?`
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`19:37.53`	`NeoTron`	`Trela: }PerformanceFu is a known hog`
`19:38.00`	`Wraithan`	`liquid nitro?\`
`19:38.00`	`Trela`	`4x2.66ghz`
`19:38.04`	`Wraithan`	`...`
`19:38.07`	`NeoTron`	`get Fubar_MiniPerfsFu if you want the performance snapshot`
`19:38.14`	`Trela`	`Thanks. :D`
`19:38.26`	`NeoTron`	`Trela: you do know that WoW really only uses one CPU right?`
`19:38.26`	`Wraithan`	`multiplying the cores times the speed is silly`
`19:38.32`	`NeoTron`	`and maybe 15% of the 2nd core`
`19:38.42`	`NeoTron`	`if you use software sound mixing`
`19:38.42`	`Wraithan`	`(12:41:32 PM) NeoTron: Trela: you do know that WoW really only uses one CPU right? <~ exactly`
`19:38.59`	`Trela`	`Actually, WoW on the Mac utilizes more than one.`
`19:39.29`	`Trela`	`It uses one for general and hands off some video and sound operations to the second.`
`19:39.54`	`Trela`	`It did not a while back, but some where around 2.0/2.1 the Mac team made it do more.`
`19:39.55`	`Aiiane`	`which is effectively using 1 for anything that would matter addon-wise`
`19:40.21`	`NeoTron`	`true mac has mult-threaded GL`
`19:40.43`	`NeoTron`	`but the benefit definitely isn't noticeable past the 2nd CPU even in that case, and probably not 100% of 2 cpu's at that, no?`
`19:40.45`	`Trela`	`I doubt the speed of any thing matters in this case since it is causing an actual processing hiccup.`
`19:41.20`	`Wraithan`	`I agree, I am just saying it is silly to call the machine a 10.64GHz machine`
`19:41.51`	`Trela`	`The only benefit for more than one CPU on Mac is the ability to handle more PCs/NPCs on the screen.`
`19:42.08`	`NivFreak`	`so`
`19:42.12`	`NivFreak`	`I disabled ora2 last night`
`19:42.12`	`Fisker-`	`indeed Chompers`
`19:42.13`	`Wraithan`	`otherwish I should call my machine at home like a 14GHz machine lol`
`19:42.16`	`NivFreak`	`and got 15fps back`
`19:42.16`	`Mytos`	`and multiple cores dont necissarly multiply the speed of the machine`
`19:42.18`	`NivFreak`	`on my MBP...`
`19:42.21`	`Fisker-`	`please go die Trela`
`19:42.22`	`Fisker-`	`btw`
`19:42.27`	`Trela`	`dies.`
`19:42.37`	`Trela`	`Why me?!`
`19:42.39`	`NivFreak`	`Trela: you don't know about the uber secret gl options do you`
`19:42.51`	`Trela`	`The console commands, right?`
`19:42.55`	`NivFreak`	`yea`
`19:42.57`	`Fisker-`	`[21:35:58] <Trela> It was just odd that it was causing issues for a 10.64ghz machine. :( Fiddles with the settings.`
`19:43.04`	`Fisker-`	`that may be just about the most retarded statement ever`
`19:43.16`	`Mytos`	`i love you fisker`
`19:43.17`	`Trela`	`I have not played with them yet.`
`19:43.28`	`NeoTron`	`Trela: performance fu scans something every second that tends to cause a common, very short hickup`
`19:44.10`	`NeoTron`	`speaking of oRA2 - why the heck doesn't it se the loot mode anymore?`
`19:44.14`	`Trela`	`Neo, It was super noticeable on my setup. It just randomly started yesterday with no explanation.`
`19:44.22`	`NeoTron`	`it worked for a long time but now it just leaves it at group loot`
`19:44.27`	`Trela`	`I never used ORA myself.`
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`19:45.26`	`Trela`	`tells PerformanceFu to stop telling her own AddOn is using 6mbs of memory.`
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`19:45.53`	`NivFreak`	`Trela: /console glfaster 2`
`19:46.20`	`NivFreak`	`NeoTron: yea, I noticed that about ora2 as well`
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`19:46.37`	`Trela`	`Oh, glfaster? I am rather sure they turned that on by default.`
`19:46.47`	`NivFreak`	`Trela: I think it's set to 1 by default`
`19:47.55`	`Trela`	`I have one of those fantabulous ATI Radeon x1900 XTs. I want to strangle it so much.`
`19:48.07`	`NivFreak`	`same`
`19:48.17`	`NivFreak`	`wtb new MBP`
`19:48.29`	`NivFreak`	`I'm waiting for the next rev`
`19:48.32`	`Trela`	`I have gone through tree replacement video cards.`
`19:48.39`	`Trela`	`*three`
`19:48.39`	`NivFreak`	`er wait, I have a 1600 ;P`
`19:48.59`	`Trela`	`You read about the 1900's artifact issues?`
`19:49.04`	`NivFreak`	`nah`
`19:49.11`	`NivFreak`	`I hate ATI now days`
`19:49.18`	`NivFreak`	`after years of being loyal`
`19:49.25`	`NivFreak`	`and dealing with crap cards/drivers`
`19:50.25`	`[dRaCo]`	`any commands to get more out of 2 cores?`
`19:51.07`	`Trela`	`http://www.nonamestudios.com/videos/Ghostlands_040308_150856.mp4`
`19:51.13`	`Trela`	`http://www.experimentalinsanity.com/albums/wow/WoWGraphicGlitch.jpg`
`19:51.15`	`NeoTron`	`as a note windows will gain very little from more than one core. AS I said you might see perhaps 10-15% offloaded if you use software sound mixing`
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`19:52.21`	`NivFreak`	`so, I did find that dropping my sound quality had a noticeable improvement in FPS`
`19:52.38`	`Trela`	`Not only affects WoW. The entire video card screws up with OS X at the desktop! :D http://www.experimentalinsanity.com/albums/random/aks03.jpg`
`19:52.57`	`*** part/#wowace Trela (n=Alexia@pa-67-234-178-158.dhcp.embarqhsd.net)`
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`19:53.08`	`Trela`	`Keyboard fail.`
`19:54.05`	`Kulaar`	`http://img231.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=64703_mindfuckooo_122_452lo.jpg <- can someone solve this mindfuck pls?`
`19:54.48`	`NivFreak`	`thanks for the NSFW tag`
`19:54.54`	`NivFreak`	`..`
`19:55.00`	`NeoTron`	`agred`
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`19:55.36`	`Trela`	`There goes my innocence!`
`19:59.03`	`Trela`	`Considering the odd ball names for AddOns out there, is there a very simple AddOn that allows you to set the position of the GameTooltip and that is all it does?`
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`20:00.24`	`NeoTron`	`two changes to oRA loot made early may`
`20:00.28`	`NeoTron`	`might be the issue I guess`
`20:00.54`	`Diao`	`ora loot works fine for me`
`20:01.01`	`Diao`	`it converts it to ML when i convert a party to a raid`
`20:01.12`	`aestil`	`Trela: lithe tooltip doctor`
`20:01.14`	`aestil`	`or something like that.`
`20:01.21`	`Trela`	`Thank you.`
`20:01.21`	ag`	yes yes Funkeh`, it will make things QL even though they have a tip
`20:01.34`	Funkeh`	`??`
`20:01.39`	ag`	`F2B`
`20:01.41`	`NeoTron`	`Diao: doesn't work for me, all I know`
`20:01.54`	`Diao`	`hm`
`20:02.08`	`Diao`	`are you inviting a person, then converting to raid?`
`20:02.19`	`Diao`	`or do you enable ora2 first and then /rainvite`
`20:02.26`	Funkeh`	ag`, did I miss a commit or something?
`20:02.28`	`Diao`	`cause the second method causes it to not switch loot method for me`
`20:02.29`	`NeoTron`	`used to work, then didn't and I bet http://fish.wowace.com/browse/WowAce/trunk/oRA2/Leader/Loot.lua?r1=72861&r2=71764 that is why`
`20:02.32`	ag`	`I just committed it`
`20:02.45`	ag`	maybe CIA is dead Funkeh` ?
`20:02.47`	`NeoTron`	`I invite a person, convert to raid`
`20:02.51`	`NeoTron`	`then /rarinvite`
`20:03.09`	ag`	Funkeh`, just do svn update:)
`20:03.12`	`Diao`	`no idea`
`20:03.28`	`Stanzilla`	`cia is broken`
`20:05.58`	Funkeh`	ag`, it doesn't "make me happy"
`20:06.04`	`Chompers`	`council looks tough :/`
`20:06.05`	Funkeh`	`it just shows how silly you are over api`
`20:08.28`	ag`	Funkeh`, come on it does make you happy! And yes I am silly :(
`20:08.50`	Funkeh`	`I was happy before, because it worked but you broke it then fixed it :p`
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`20:09.38`	ag`	Funkeh`, I'm just a bit nazi with specs and stuff... I have that from web coding
`20:10.10`	`aestil`	`how do i promote someone else to be GM?`
`20:10.11`	ag`	`It is just that specs only works if everyone follows them correctly :o)`
`20:10.11`	Funkeh`	`fair doos :p`
`20:10.13`	`aestil`	`of a guild?`
`20:10.24`	`Aiiane`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:10.25`	`NeoTron`	`Chompers: council is easy but hard to execute due to the length of the fight and amount of random damage`
`20:11.03`	`Stanzilla`	`dances around the 2 dead twins`
`20:11.16`	`Chompers`	`health is linked, that's nice`
`20:11.20`	`aestil`	`Aiiane: i want to promote an alt of mine to GM`
`20:11.22`	`aestil`	`not possible?`
`20:12.14`	`Belazor`	`you need to temp promote another char first`
`20:12.16`	`Aiiane`	`not possible, character has to be online`
`20:12.25`	`Aiiane`	`so it has to go to one account and then back`
`20:13.12`	`Aiiane`	`safety measure to prevent "oops i accidentally promoted someone who quit the game to GM /ticket"`
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`20:16.25`	`aedaemoen`	`allo all :)`
`20:17.19`	`aedaemoen`	`anyone here have a merciless quickblade or merciless slicer ( doing some basic hw on it :-D )`
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`20:20.05`	`kapowaz`	`Hi there. Could somebody point me in the direction of instructions for setting up ButtonFacade?`
`20:20.28`	`kapowaz`	`I've installed the addon (I'm using Bongos3) but I don't see how to actually apply it to my buttons`
`20:20.37`	`kapowaz`	`I'm quite stumped. Wondering if it's broken or something.`
`20:21.19`	`Diao`	`type /bf`
`20:21.33`	`kapowaz`	`yeah`
`20:21.36`	`kapowaz`	`that just brings up the dialog`
`20:21.45`	`Diao`	`then go to buttonfacade`
`20:21.50`	`Diao`	`select the skin`
`20:21.56`	`Diao`	`and drag the slider for how much gloss you want`
`20:22.05`	`Diao`	`that's it.`
`20:22.12`	`kapowaz`	`nothing happens when I change skin`
`20:22.18`	`kapowaz`	`never has`
`20:22.32`	`Diao`	`uh`
`20:22.37`	`kapowaz`	`if it's supposed to, then it's no wonder I've been stumped for so long`
`20:22.37`	`Diao`	`do you have any mods that are affected by bf?`
`20:22.43`	`kapowaz`	`Bongos3?`
`20:22.50`	`kapowaz`	`supposedly that should work with it`
`20:23.16`	`Diao`	`hmm`
`20:23.28`	`Diao`	`apparently bongos3 has issues with buttonfacade`
`20:23.35`	`Diao`	`and you should switch to dominos or bartender4`
`20:23.42`	`Diao`	`when i googled bongos3 buttonfacade :P`
`20:23.45`	`kapowaz`	`>_<`
`20:23.47`	`kapowaz`	`I've read those`
`20:23.52`	`kapowaz`	`and they say the opposite too`
`20:23.53`	`NivFreak`	`does bt4 snap yet? :P`
`20:23.56`	`Zhinjio`	`bongos3 is working fine for me with BF`
`20:24.06`	`Diao`	`not that i know of NivFreak`
`20:24.06`	`kapowaz`	`Zhinjio: any ideas why it might not work for me then?`
`20:24.11`	`Diao`	`i just manually positioned them anyway`
`20:25.06`	`kapowaz`	`ah`
`20:25.07`	`Zhinjio`	`what is it doing wrong?`
`20:25.15`	`kapowaz`	`apparently there's a Bongos3_ButtonFacade addon I need also?`
`20:25.18`	`kapowaz`	`I don't have that`
`20:25.20`	`kapowaz`	`no wonder`
`20:25.22`	`Zhinjio`	`yes`
`20:25.28`	`Diao`	`oh`
`20:25.31`	`Diao`	`it's not natively supported?`
`20:25.32`	`kapowaz`	`Zhinjio: nothing happened when I changed settings in ButtonFacade :0`
`20:25.34`	`Zhinjio`	`heh`
`20:25.37`	`Diao`	`that would explain it`
`20:25.41`	`Zhinjio`	`Indeed.`
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`20:31.48`	`CrazyBenny`	ag`: changin scale of weapon enchant icon in FacadeBuffs doesnt work:/
`20:36.12`	`NeoTron`	`I am considering redoing my UI at some point again. not quite happy with it`
`20:37.17`	`Wraithan`	`I still need to build a decent UI setup for my mage`
`20:37.35`	`NeoTron`	`would love to have less addons. might try the "start from scratch" method and see what I end up with`
`20:37.44`	`NeoTron`	`problem is there's so many little things I enjoy having :P`
`20:38.19`	`Wraithan`	`I need to go through and weed out addons I am not actually using`
`20:38.28`	`Wraithan`	`I know there is a handful of them`
`20:38.41`	`NeoTron`	`I hate having libraries clutter stuff up`
`20:38.49`	`NeoTron`	`but not having them makes loading so much slower`
`20:38.54`	`NeoTron`	`harder to get an overview though`
`20:39.25`	`NeoTron`	`I'd love a hiarchial (yes I know it's not spelled that way) view of addon dependencies`
`20:40.22`	`Wraithan`	`hierarchal*`
`20:42.30`	`NeoTron`	`thank you. I will promptly forget the correct spelling and mispell it the next time I type it!`
`20:44.15`	`Zhinjio`	`hierarchical, actually.`
`20:44.31`	`Zhinjio`	`anyway`
`20:45.13`	`NivFreak`	`gdi`
`20:45.22`	`NivFreak`	`WWS "lost" my vashj kill`
`20:45.23`	`Zyndrome`	`geez, +30 hours of no sleep, and I begun messing around with my UI ... woke up today (sleep? wow!) and went "wtf did I do?"`
`20:50.10`	ag`	`CrazyBenny, seems to work for me`
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`20:51.04`	`[dRaCo]`	`w00t! illidan down!`
`20:52.44`	`NivFreak`	`[dRaCo]: grats :)`
`20:52.48`	`charon`	`!rating 1550`
`20:52.48`	`Xinhuan`	`1550 rating gives 401(5s), 353(3s) and 305(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)`
`20:53.19`	ag`	`CrazyBenny, what class and what revision of the addon?`
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`20:55.17`	`CrazyBenny`	ag`: 78345 and mage, but I'll try to nuke savedvars after raid
`20:56.20`	ag`	`CrazyBenny, last commit 78413`
`20:56.39`	`CrazyBenny`	`doh`
`20:56.43`	`Zyndrome`	`[dRaCo] , enjoy your offhand glaive`
`20:56.56`	`Zyndrome`	`shakes his fist at the "random loot is random"`
`20:58.59`	`aedaemoen`	`any of you guys big on arenaing?`
`20:59.19`	`[dRaCo]`	`Zyndrome: no glaive for us`
`20:59.43`	`Fisker-`	`~cartographer3`
`20:59.44`	`purl`	`cartographer3 is, like, the successor to WoW addon Cartographer, acts similarly to google maps. Download at http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/ - Provide feedback at http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/tickets/. Video: http://www.vimeo.com/917523`
`21:00.12`	`Aiiane`	`why do you ask aedaemoen`
`21:00.46`	`aedaemoen`	`because, im trying to figure out how long it will take me to get a full Arena Season 4 set :-D`
`21:01.03`	`aedaemoen`	`so figured if someone in here arena's alot, they would know about how many points per week they are averaging :)`
`21:01.16`	`winkiller`	`can you disable showing your raid/party members on minimap?`
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`21:03.05`	`Dashkal`	`!raiting 2200`
`21:03.16`	`Dashkal`	`!rating 2200`
`21:03.16`	`Xinhuan`	`2200 rating gives 1270(5s), 1117(3s) and 965(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)`
`21:03.57`	`Aiiane`	`^`
`21:04.00`	`Dashkal`	`aedaemoen: If your standing is enough to actually get the shoulders, there's your points per week. Of course actually holding that raiting probably requires much of the gear`
`21:04.05`	`Aiiane`	`just use !rating for what you expect your rating to be`
`21:04.16`	`Aiiane`	`and see how many points that gives`
`21:04.37`	`aedaemoen`	`Dashkal, im aware of the calculator, blizzard has ones on their site too, but that doesnt tell you how much time the expected points is based on`
`21:04.42`	`aedaemoen`	`how many matches, etc`
`21:04.45`	`Aiiane`	`um`
`21:04.49`	`NeoTron`	`lol`
`21:04.51`	`Aiiane`	`# of matches doesnt affect points`
`21:05.05`	`Aiiane`	`you get points based on your rating at the tuesday downtime`
`21:05.09`	`NeoTron`	`except you need 10 matches minimum`
`21:05.12`	`Aiiane`	`nods`
`21:05.23`	`aedaemoen`	`ahhh, points are calculated on a weekly basis?`
`21:05.23`	`Aiiane`	`as long as you've played at least 30% of your teams matches for the week`
`21:05.30`	`Aiiane`	`and the team has played at least 10 games that week`
`21:05.38`	`Aiiane`	`then you will get the same points as everyone else on the team`
`21:05.38`	`aedaemoen`	`( sorry, i havent done any arenaing yet, i just happened to see the new gear though :D )`
`21:05.46`	`Aiiane`	`which is based on rating @ end of week`
`21:05.53`	`aedaemoen`	`nods.`
`21:06.11`	`aedaemoen`	`i ask questions here because most of you guys are guru level :-D`
`21:07.15`	`Aiiane`	`so basically, unlike honor there's a built-in time delay for arena points`
`21:07.17`	`Dashkal`	`aedaemoen: get your s2 and non-rated s3/s4 stuff, and work your way up from there. Your points per week will climb as your ability to work with your team and gear level improves`
`21:07.38`	`aedaemoen`	`Dashkal, do they discontinue the season gear over time?`
`21:07.47`	`Dashkal`	`aedaemoen: discontinue? As in remove? No`
`21:07.50`	`aedaemoen`	`ahh`
`21:08.01`	`Aiiane`	`they typically move each season's gear's availability down by one notch over time`
`21:08.07`	`Trela`	`Wow, LitheTooptipDoctor is easy.`
`21:08.12`	`Aiiane`	`i.e. when s3 was added, s1 was made available for honor, and s2 was made cheaper`
`21:08.16`	`aedaemoen`	`i had thought you basically had the season to obtain whatever you could and after that try for the missing stuff out of the next season`
`21:08.18`	`Dashkal`	`But you don't want to be spending arena points on S3 gear when you can just save up more points for s4 (assuming you can manage the rating requirement)`
`21:08.24`	`aedaemoen`	`nods.`
`21:08.26`	`Aiiane`	`when s4 was added, s2 became available for honor instead of s1, and s3 was made cheaper`
`21:08.37`	`aedaemoen`	`i see :)`
`21:08.51`	`aedaemoen`	`ty both :)`
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`21:10.34`	`charon`	`!rating 1600`
`21:10.34`	`Xinhuan`	`1600 rating gives 465(5s), 409(3s) and 353(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)`
`21:10.54`	`aedaemoen`	`!rating 4000`
`21:10.54`	`Xinhuan`	`4000 rating gives 1511(5s), 1329(3s) and 1148(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)`
`21:11.02`	`aedaemoen`	`seems to be the maximum rating possible :\`
`21:11.07`	`charon`	`!rating 1611`
`21:11.08`	`Xinhuan`	`1611 rating gives 480(5s), 422(3s) and 364(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)`
`21:11.09`	`Dashkal`	`Is 4k even attainable without cheating?`
`21:11.16`	`Wikwocket`	`Someone hit 3000`
`21:11.26`	`aedaemoen`	`i dunno, it stopped adding after 4000 though, lol`
`21:11.30`	`aedaemoen`	`:-D`
`21:12.33`	`kadrahil`	`Xinhuan`
`21:12.34`	`kadrahil`	`http://i34.tinypic.com/fvaikw.png`
`21:13.06`	`sacarasc`	`!rating 3000`
`21:13.07`	`Xinhuan`	`3000 rating gives 1500(5s), 1320(3s) and 1140(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)`
`21:13.18`	`sacarasc`	`quite a lot of points`
`21:17.06`	`Wikwocket`	`Yeah, like an item a week`
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`21:24.26`	`CIA-45`	`03funkydude * r78420 10StatBlock_DPS/ (StatBlock_DPS.lua StatBlock_DPS.toc): StatBlock_DPS: tweaks`
`21:24.50`	`omega`	`can fortress display statblocks?`
`21:25.07`	Funkeh`	`StatBlockCore and Fortress both can`
`21:25.13`	Funkeh`	`same with Broker_`
`21:25.27`	`omega`	`ahh`
`21:25.29`	`omega`	`coolio`
`21:25.33`	Funkeh`	`indeed`
`21:26.21`	`CIA-45`	`03funkydude * r78421 10StatBlock_TimeInFight/StatBlock_TimeInFight.lua: StatBlock_TimeInFight: tweak`
`21:26.32`	`Fisker-`	`what is statblock?`
`21:26.50`	Funkeh`	`I think the appropriate reply is: your mom`
`21:27.38`	ag`	1 - 0 Funkeh` , Fisker-
`21:27.40`	Funkeh`	`That's a Fisker- reply right?`
`21:27.42`	`CIA-45`	`03funkydude * r78422 10StatBlock_XP/ (StatBlock_XP.lua StatBlock_XP.toc): StatBlock_XP: tweak text`
`21:28.00`	`Fisker-`	`touchÃ© motherfucker`
`21:28.01`	`Fisker-`	`:o`
`21:28.06`	Funkeh`	`:)`
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`21:29.13`	`Fisker-`	`any better display for broker than fortress?`
`21:29.54`	ag`	`I heard your mom does a good display`
`21:30.08`	`Fisker-`	`she doesn't`
`21:30.27`	ag`	`I'm just saying what I've heard`
`21:30.49`	`Fisker-`	`you heard wrong`
`21:31.03`	Funkeh`	`hahaha`
`21:31.11`	Funkeh`	`Fisker-, getting woned tonight`
`21:31.20`	Funkeh`	`that's like, owned, but worse`
`21:31.31`	`Fisker-`	`nah`
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`21:34.09`	`NivFreak`	`Zhinjio: ping`
`21:36.21`	`Stanzilla`	`m'uru is..."fun" >.<`
`21:36.52`	`NivFreak`	`he's a healing light fight?`
`21:36.55`	Funkeh`	`that IS how the ruours go`
`21:36.56`	`NivFreak`	`lite`
`21:37.03`	Funkeh`	`rumours*`
`21:37.07`	`Stanzilla`	`its like vashj hardcore`
`21:37.14`	`NivFreak`	`I fucking hate vashj`
`21:37.17`	`NivFreak`	`and archimonde`
`21:37.19`	Funkeh`	`I'd do vashj hardcore`
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`21:37.37`	`Wikwocket`	`TMI`
`21:38.09`	Funkeh`	`rly?`
`21:39.27`	`NeoTron`	`M'uru is very much like vashj`
`21:39.33`	`NeoTron`	`except you dps M'uru instead of throwing balls around`
`21:40.02`	`NeoTron`	`maybe it'll change but I really do enjoy M'uru`
`21:40.04`	Funkeh`	`sounds like a nice description`
`21:40.10`	Funkeh`	`"you throw less balls around""`
`21:40.36`	`NeoTron`	`what I don't enjoy is having to sit the same ppl consistently. it's not a hybrid friendly fight (think boomkin, ret pally, arms warrior etc)`
`21:40.36`	`Fisker-`	`i love balls`
`21:40.49`	`Wikwocket`	`WTMI`
`21:40.51`	Funkeh`	`we know, that's the thing`
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`21:41.36`	`NeoTron`	`NivFreak: and m'uru is a heavy healing fight with low number of healers`
`21:41.39`	`NeoTron`	`like 6`
`21:42.02`	Funkeh`	`We should add a dhort description under the module enabled bigwigs message, that doesn't really give anything away, like. "Muru mod Enabled - You throw less balls than Vashj"`
`21:42.03`	`Tekkub`	`someone mention balls?`
`21:42.16`	`NeoTron`	`lol`
`21:42.19`	`kadrahil`	`lalalaaa`
`21:42.31`	`kadrahil`	`i need to design a ui that i can stick with`
`21:42.41`	`Chompers`	`so, council is pretty hard`
`21:42.47`	Funkeh`	`spend 5 hours making the addons`
`21:42.50`	Funkeh`	`bet you stick with it`
`21:42.51`	`kadrahil`	`not really, just stand out of aoe`
`21:42.56`	`kadrahil`	`and win`
`21:43.05`	`kadrahil`	`oh and call out poisons and heal that person`
`21:43.08`	`Fisker-`	`lol Chompers`
`21:43.11`	`Hjalte`	Funkeh`: This is weird. When I disable a plugin in the sbc options in the blizzard addons options menu, it dissappears when I relog.
`21:43.11`	`Fisker-`	`council = pretty hard`
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`21:43.27`	`kadrahil`	`we're oneshotting illidan now, 2 weeks in a row`
`21:43.32`	`kadrahil`	`our second kill we oneshotted him`
`21:43.35`	`kadrahil`	`and a MH glaive dropped`
`21:43.43`	Funkeh`	`Hjalte, lemme take a look`
`21:44.03`	`kadrahil`	`sbc?`
`21:44.16`	`Hjalte`	Funkeh`: So far it's happened with BuffEnough LDB display and the LDB plugin of ControlFreak.
`21:44.25`	`kadrahil`	`Chompers: what are you guys having trouble with?`
`21:44.34`	Funkeh`	`might be a launcher thing`
`21:44.35`	`Chompers`	`people die early on`
`21:44.39`	`Hjalte`	Funkeh`: I have Folks_Friends disabled as well, but it's still there.
`21:44.43`	`kadrahil`	`Chompers: yeah, that's bad :(`
`21:44.46`	`Fisker-`	`so here's this giant enemy crab Chompers`
`21:44.51`	`kadrahil`	`Chompers: it's a long fight :( we actually hit the enrage timer once because of that`
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`21:44.59`	`kadrahil`	`at like 3%`
`21:45.07`	`NivFreak`	`kadrahil: do you guys one shot archimonde? :)`
`21:45.15`	`kadrahil`	`NivFreak: we have i think a couple of times`
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`21:45.28`	`kadrahil`	`NivFreak: problem is we always end up taking new people to the fight so it takes a few attempts more often than not`
`21:45.33`	`NivFreak`	`yep`
`21:45.39`	`NivFreak`	`I'm ready to cut myself over it`
`21:45.44`	`kadrahil`	`rofl yeah`
`21:45.44`	`NivFreak`	`I hate archimonde`
`21:45.51`	`Fisker-`	`so here's this giant enemy crab Chompers`
`21:45.53`	`kadrahil`	`i would't mind if i never went back to archi`
`21:45.53`	`NivFreak`	`and if we skip him for a couple weeks`
`21:45.58`	`NivFreak`	`it takes more attempts`
`21:45.59`	`NivFreak`	`sigh`
`21:46.00`	`kadrahil`	`because i have what i need`
`21:46.00`	`kadrahil`	`:P`
`21:46.02`	`NivFreak`	`HEY GUYS`
`21:46.06`	`NivFreak`	`REMEMBER HOW DOOMFIRE KILLS YOU`
`21:46.11`	`NivFreak`	`YEA, DON'T STAND IN IT`
`21:46.13`	`kadrahil`	`AND THEN WIPES THE RAID`
`21:46.22`	`kadrahil`	`we've actually managed to kill him once when 3 people died in the fight`
`21:46.25`	`Fisker-`	`so here's this giant enemy crab Chompers`
`21:46.27`	`kadrahil`	`so that was 3 soul charges we healed through`
`21:46.44`	`NivFreak`	`We took him to 16% after 6 soul charges, 2 of which were silences`
`21:46.45`	`Chompers`	`orly Fisker-?`
`21:46.49`	`kadrahil`	`haha nice`
`21:46.49`	`Fisker-`	`rly`
`21:46.55`	`Fisker-`	`what are you going to do about it?`
`21:47.14`	`Chompers`	`pot of boiling water`
`21:47.16`	`kadrahil`	`nivfreak`
`21:47.23`	`kadrahil`	`our lock tank died at 4% on illidan last night`
`21:47.23`	`Fisker-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:47.26`	`Chompers`	`or is that lobster`
`21:47.27`	`Fisker-`	`giant enemy crab`
`21:47.31`	`kadrahil`	`because the MD didn't make enough threat to send illidan back to the tank`
`21:47.34`	`kadrahil`	`and he got instagibbed`
`21:47.36`	`Fisker-`	`not miniscule enemy crab`
`21:47.41`	`kadrahil`	`and we barely got the kill`
`21:47.47`	`kadrahil`	`before the next demon phase`
`21:47.49`	Funkeh`	`Hjalte, I see the problem`
`21:49.02`	`CIA-45`	`03funkydude * r78424 10StatBlockCore/StatBlockCore.lua: StatBlockCore: Fixed disabled plugins not showing in the config sometimes`
`21:49.10`	Funkeh`	`Hjalte, give that a try`
`21:49.32`	`NivFreak`	`kadrahil: ouch!`
`21:49.35`	`vithos`	`kadrahil: we had a kill once where the MT died 3 times`
`21:50.07`	`vithos`	`l2druid!`
`21:50.15`	`NivFreak`	`so the way we pull archimonde, I body pull him to get him into the position I want`
`21:50.20`	`NivFreak`	`and we all ride in mounted`
`21:50.30`	`NivFreak`	`so my favorite moment from last night was`
`21:50.37`	`NivFreak`	`I body pull, mage notices he's not mounted`
`21:50.41`	`NivFreak`	`so blinks to catch up`
`21:50.42`	`NivFreak`	`...`
`21:50.58`	`NivFreak`	`archimonde aggros mage, wipe`
`21:51.16`	`NivFreak`	`well, to be fair I got him before the mage died`
`21:51.22`	`NivFreak`	`but we were so out of wack that it wiped us`
`21:51.28`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ding :)`
`21:54.38`	`Hjalte`	Funkeh`: I'll try it once it hits the zips.
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`21:55.01`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`21:55.07`	Funkeh`	`"hit's the zips"`
`21:55.19`	`Ellipsis`	`hits Hjalte's zips`
`21:55.31`	`Kuja^`	`rrr`
`21:55.32`	`Kuja^`	`:P`
`21:55.41`	`Aiiane`	`hawt.`
`21:55.43`	`Hjalte`	`I didn't want to say hits the files.wowace.com`
`21:55.51`	Funkeh`	`yeah`
`21:56.04`	`Aiiane`	`"hits the fileserver"?`
`21:56.19`	`Ellipsis`	`hits the hay?`
`21:56.50`	`Kuja^`	`hits the internets`
`21:57.15`	`Aiiane`	`hits the tubes?`
`21:57.54`	`Ellipsis`	`hits your mom`
`21:58.06`	`Kuja^`	`hits ur mom? (oh no thats Fisker-s part :P)`
`21:58.08`	`Kuja^`	`damn`
`21:58.12`	`Kuja^`	`im too slow`
`21:58.14`	`Kuja^`	`~fail`
`21:58.15`	`purl`	`Sorry, kuja^, you have failed.`
`21:58.27`	`Hjalte`	Funkeh`: I downloaded it directly now. Upgraded my StatBlockCore.lua r78390 to the trunk version, and when I logged in, only Folks_Guild shows and in the options there are only Folks_Guilds/Friends and BuffEnough. I have 4-5 more.
`21:59.22`	Funkeh`	`you sure you did it properly? :P`
`22:00.38`	`Hjalte`	`Well, I went to svn.wowace.com --> trunk --> StatBlockCore --> downloaded StatBlockCore.lua and used it to replace the one currently in my StatblockCore folder.`
`22:01.26`	`Hjalte`	`Once it hits the fileserver I'll download it through jWU.`
`22:02.17`	`Ellipsis`	`Hjalte: that won't work, use a real svn client rather than a web browser :P`
`22:02.33`	`Hjalte`	`hits Ellipsis' zips`
`22:02.46`	`Hjalte`	`Why doesn't it work? :(`
`22:02.51`	`Aiiane`	`getting steamy in here`
`22:03.15`	`Ellipsis`	`Hjalte: because svn keywords like $Rev$ won't be properly replaced`
`22:03.22`	`Hjalte`	`Oh...`
`22:03.35`	`Hjalte`	`Let's see if tortoise is still working.`
`22:03.52`	`Ellipsis`	`or you could just download the zip which should be done by now :P`
`22:04.22`	Funkeh`	`well I found another bug but I don't think that afects it`
`22:04.23`	`Zyndrome`	`hah, so that's why nQuestlog gave an error about UpdateText , SBC update did the trick`
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`22:04.42`	`vhaarr`	`thinks he finally has a stable computer again`
`22:04.44`	`Aiiane`	`in this case Ellipsis... there aren't any svn keywords in that file >.>`
`22:04.49`	`Ellipsis`	`stable is for wimps!`
`22:04.59`	`Ellipsis`	`Aiiane: that's rather unusual :P`
`22:05.00`	`vhaarr`	`turns out it was flashplugin-nonfree crashing because I use ALSA and not pulseaudio or some crap`
`22:05.16`	`vhaarr`	`and that froze the whole computer, often resulting in instant reboots`
`22:05.22`	Funkeh`	`gg`
`22:05.24`	`vhaarr`	`just turned off the flash plugin now`
`22:05.28`	`vhaarr`	`we'll see how it goes`
`22:06.09`	`vhaarr`	`apparently flashplugin-nonfree 10 beta 1 doesn't crash, but beta 2 does or something, guess they'll fix it for the release`
`22:06.39`	`vhaarr`	`I tried the swfdec and gnash alternatives but that didn't work out very well, guess they need to mature a bit more`
`22:07.06`	`vhaarr`	`but on another note, it gave me a chance to update to xserver 1.5`
`22:07.15`	`vhaarr`	`doesn't have a xorg.conf any more`
`22:07.24`	`Ellipsis`	`creepy`
`22:07.26`	`aedaemoen`	`sits and gets comfortable while he waits for ledmirage's forums to get a bit more active....`
`22:07.49`	`vhaarr`	`everything is autoconfigured when X launches, and it works fine`
`22:07.52`	`aedaemoen`	`vhaarr, sounds like youre running fedora :-D`
`22:07.59`	`vhaarr`	`nah, debian`
`22:08.12`	`Ellipsis`	`what if it autoconfigures things wrong? :(`
`22:08.17`	`aedaemoen`	`lol, and here everone says debian doesnt have issues like us fedora users suffer :-D`
`22:08.25`	`vhaarr`	`eh`
`22:08.28`	`winkiller`	`I once made my laptop have every gadget enabled on debian in 2004`
`22:08.30`	`vhaarr`	`has nothing to do with the distro`
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`22:08.32`	`winkiller`	`only took me a week or so`
`22:08.35`	`vhaarr`	`it's adobes flash plugin`
`22:08.39`	`vhaarr`	`it's a binary blob`
`22:08.51`	`aedaemoen`	`vhaarr, why not use the free one?`
`22:08.56`	`vhaarr`	`well, if I used pulseaudio I'd be fine, so guess it depends on the sound system your distro uses`
`22:09.02`	`vhaarr`	`I JUST SAID WHY`
`22:09.05`	`*** kick/#wowace [Aens\|Superiority!n=folk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Rabbit/vhaarr] by vhaarr (vhaarr)`
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`22:09.07`	`vhaarr`	`oops`
`22:09.08`	`vhaarr`	`wrong guy`
`22:09.11`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`22:09.17`	`nevcairiel`	`~fail vhaarr`
`22:09.18`	`purl`	`vhaarr, you Fail!`
`22:09.28`	`vhaarr`	`but pulseaudio sucks for wine, so I use alsa instead`
`22:09.28`	`Hjalte`	Funkeh`: I used tortoisesvn and got the latest trunk version of StatBlockCore. I am still missing options and visuals of quite a few of my LDB addons.
`22:09.53`	Funkeh`	`I just tested it and it worked fine apart from a bug, I don't see how that could happen without an error`
`22:09.56`	Funkeh`	`sec`
`22:10.12`	`aedaemoen`	`vhaarr, pulse and wine can work together pretty well, it just takes a while to get them running nicely :-)`
`22:10.16`	Funkeh`	`tel me if it goes away with this`
`22:10.17`	`vhaarr`	`Ellipsis: yeah but that's the point, it's not supposed to fail :P`
`22:10.30`	`aedaemoen`	`i had them running on my f9 laptop for a bit before the bios bit it`
`22:10.37`	`CIA-45`	`03funkydude * r78425 10StatBlockCore/StatBlockCore.lua: StatBlockCore: config bugfix`
`22:10.42`	`vhaarr`	`aedaemoen: I know, there's some 3rd party pulseaudio input plugin for it, but I'm not interested in dealing with unpackaged stuff`
`22:10.50`	`vhaarr`	`if I was I'd run some other distro`
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`22:11.02`	`aedaemoen`	`lol`
`22:11.07`	`aedaemoen`	`so package it yourself? :p`
`22:11.12`	`aedaemoen`	`and then submit it to the repos?`
`22:11.43`	`aedaemoen`	`come on now, you guys are sposed to be the elites :-D, making a package should be trivial :-D`
`22:11.43`	`vhaarr`	`clearly you know less about this than me, so I'll stop talking to you`
`22:11.51`	`Hjalte`	Funkeh`: When updating through tortoise and it's only updating that one file, reloading the ui should be enough, yeah?
`22:12.02`	`aedaemoen`	`i know less about it than you? dude, im a sr level linux engineer`
`22:12.05`	`Hjalte`	Funkeh`: And yes, it fixed it.
`22:12.12`	Funkeh`	`wierd`
`22:12.15`	Funkeh`	`oh well`
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`22:13.27`	`vhaarr`	`I noticed lots of commits about this databroker thing lately, if I convert say ClosetGnome to use it, how seamless would that be for users?`
`22:13.36`	`vhaarr`	`can I still use tablet for the tooltip?`
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`22:14.33`	Funkeh`	`yeah you can use anything for the tooltip`
`22:15.26`	`vhaarr`	`I don't get why LDB shouldn't be external, annoys me that I have to package all these fucking libs`
`22:15.50`	`nevcairiel`	`because LDB is on git? :P`
`22:16.14`	`vhaarr`	`that's not what I mean, I read that it should always be part of the addon like LibStub and CBH`
`22:16.34`	`vhaarr`	`so it shouldn't be disembedded`
`22:16.43`	`vhaarr`	`like LibStub and CBH`
`22:16.43`	`nevcairiel`	`I guess because there is no stand-alone version for WAU to grep`
`22:16.49`	`vhaarr`	`there could be`
`22:16.55`	`vhaarr`	`it could be developed on a svn instead`
`22:16.56`	`nevcairiel`	`there shouldnt be`
`22:16.59`	`nevcairiel`	`disembed has to die`
`22:17.02`	`vhaarr`	`why?`
`22:17.06`	`nevcairiel`	`because`
`22:17.09`	`vhaarr`	`exactly`
`22:17.11`	`vhaarr`	`there's no reason`
`22:17.16`	`nevcairiel`	`there is`
`22:17.19`	`nevcairiel`	`users are too stupid`
`22:17.23`	`charon`	`whee, rawr b14.1 works on mono! this is a great moment for bearkind!`
`22:17.25`	`vhaarr`	`who gives a shit?`
`22:17.32`	Funkeh`	`charon, lol`
`22:17.47`	`nevcairiel`	`everyone uses it because WAU does it, and advanced users could easily do it without support from wowace`
`22:17.51`	`Aiiane`	`charon: I played around with rawr for a little bit but stopped because its warlock model was completely useless`
`22:18.19`	`charon`	`shrugs`
`22:18.21`	`profalbert`	`but I want to disembed with a tool, too lazy to do it myself`
`22:18.27`	`charon`	`it's great for ferals, and i'm a feral, what do i care :)`
`22:18.40`	`vhaarr`	`can't really hold that against it, Aiiane, it was made for druids, nothing else`
`22:18.50`	`nevcairiel`	`sucks to be too lazy profalbert :P`
`22:18.52`	`Aiiane`	`I know, but I can wish it worked better for others`
`22:19.04`	`Aiiane`	`I liked the UI, just... not the results :/`
`22:19.07`	`charon`	`well, it does have models for other classes in the recent version`
`22:19.08`	`charon`	`+s`
`22:19.17`	`Aiiane`	`yes, I know, I just tried it recently`
`22:19.24`	`Aiiane`	`but the models arent really accurate`
`22:19.24`	`nevcairiel`	`last i heard it was only accurate for ferals and pallys`
`22:19.25`	`nevcairiel`	`or so`
`22:19.30`	`vhaarr`	`time to fry some potatoes`
`22:19.37`	Funkeh`	`mm`
`22:19.46`	Funkeh`	`Im hungry now :/`
`22:19.56`	`vhaarr`	`actually I want KFC`
`22:19.59`	`vhaarr`	`I've never tried it`
`22:20.07`	Funkeh`	`will it be open?`
`22:20.09`	`vhaarr`	`we don't have it in norway ><`
`22:20.12`	Funkeh`	`oh`
`22:20.14`	Funkeh`	`nevermind then`
`22:20.15`	Funkeh`	`;p`
`22:20.15`	`nevcairiel`	`KFC is nice`
`22:20.26`	`vhaarr`	`yeah I heard it is nice so sucks we don't have it`
`22:20.31`	`vhaarr`	`we just have McDonalds and crap`
`22:20.33`	Funkeh`	`I was always more of a burger king, because of the flame gril`
`22:20.39`	`vhaarr`	`burger king is alright`
`22:20.51`	`Ellipsis`	`mcdonalds > BK imo`
`22:20.58`	Funkeh`	`no chance`
`22:20.59`	`Ellipsis`	`the fries alone make it worth it`
`22:21.06`	`vhaarr`	`Ellipsis clearly doesn't know what she is talking about`
`22:21.11`	Funkeh`	`sorry but that muffin for a "roll" doens't cut it`
`22:21.15`	`vhaarr`	`the only tasty thing at mcdonalds is the milk shake`
`22:21.15`	`Ellipsis`	`when do I ever?`
`22:21.17`	`Dashkal`	`McDonalds fries > everything else`
`22:21.19`	`Dashkal`	`The damn things are crack`
`22:21.32`	`vhaarr`	`but you should stay clear of it due to the massive amount of BUTTER they put in it, apparently`
`22:21.52`	`Aiiane`	`mcdonalds fries > bk fries`
`22:21.54`	`vhaarr`	`who the hell puts butter in their milk shake?`
`22:21.58`	`nevcairiel`	`BK Burgers > mcd fries`
`22:22.07`	`Aiiane`	`bk burgers > mcdonalds burgers`
`22:22.11`	`Ellipsis`	`vhaarr: people who want it to bring all the boys to their yard, I bet`
`22:22.17`	`Dashkal`	`nevcairiel: I want BK burgers + McDonalds fries...`
`22:22.22`	`vhaarr`	`haha`
`22:22.38`	`Aiiane`	`Fast food mashups?`
`22:22.46`	`vhaarr`	`laughs, confused about Ellipsis sexual orientation and intent`
`22:22.51`	`nevcairiel`	`i usually get some chinese fast food when i cant decide on my burgers *shrug`
`22:22.54`	`Gnarfoz`	`Dashkal: the other way around for me, pls`
`22:23.02`	`vhaarr`	`nevcairiel: I get kebab <3`
`22:23.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`I want indian food, right now`
`22:23.13`	`vhaarr`	`a spicy one`
`22:23.13`	`nevcairiel`	`thats nice too`
`22:23.18`	`nevcairiel`	`mmm spicy`
`22:23.27`	`Gnarfoz`	`too bad it's 00:23 right now ~_~`
`22:23.33`	`vhaarr`	`some Iranian kebab place here just one block away`
`22:23.42`	`Dashkal`	`Gnarfoz: seriously? Too funny. That's pretty rate but maybe the two places are different over on that side of the pond`
`22:23.47`	`Dashkal`	`rare*`
`22:23.51`	`Ellipsis`	`pizza is the ultimate "too lazy to decide what to eat" food`
`22:23.57`	`Dashkal`	`^^^`
`22:24.05`	`vhaarr`	`anyway they are closed now so I have to make french fries and heat up some sausage`
`22:24.16`	`Ellipsis`	`"do we want chinese?" "anyone feel like burgers?" "nah screw this, just get a pizza"`
`22:24.23`	`nevcairiel`	`I could get mcd/bk food 24/7`
`22:24.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`while obviously for franchises like BK and McD, it should taste the same everywhere, but over here, McD fries are known for being sticks of fried potatoes drenched in fat.`
`22:24.29`	`nevcairiel`	`but not like i feel going there now`
`22:24.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`i.e. bluargh.`
`22:24.49`	`nevcairiel`	`Gnarfoz: actually, they adjust their sauces and spices to the countrys taste`
`22:24.59`	`Gnarfoz`	`BK fries on the other hand are crispy :) too bad they only have sesame buns and their burger sauces all taste the same :(`
`22:25.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`nevcairiel: sounds sane^^`
`22:25.56`	`Dashkal`	`hmm, i find BK fries to be a lil softer than mcdonalds`
`22:25.58`	`Ellipsis`	`sesame buns ftl`
`22:26.04`	`Dashkal`	`They aren't _bad_ per se, I just prefer McD`
`22:26.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`you agree on the state of McD fries, though, nevcairiel, don't you? ^^`
`22:26.19`	`nevcairiel`	`depends when you go there really`
`22:26.25`	`nevcairiel`	`sometimes they have good fries`
`22:26.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`wth, maybe they have improved`
`22:26.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`;>`
`22:27.03`	`nevcairiel`	`not always though`
`22:27.09`	`Ellipsis`	`nothing like being the first one to get a fresh batch of fries`
`22:27.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`durr, need to crop & resize illidan kill shot & write newspost! :>`
`22:27.39`	`Dashkal`	`Ellipsis: Agreed. Absolutely win when you get the still hot from the oil batch`
`22:27.49`	`Gnarfoz`	`after that, fix GloryLib ;>`
`22:28.25`	`Dashkal`	`Gnarfoz: What is GloryLib? I've seen that thing pop up and I have no idea which mod of mine embeds it`
`22:28.27`	`nevcairiel`	`Dashkal: with fresh oil too`
`22:28.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`Dashkal: honor stuff.`
`22:28.40`	`Dashkal`	`nevcairiel: I believe you, but I'`
`22:28.41`	`Gnarfoz`	`got HonorFu? BattlegroundFu?`
`22:28.46`	`Dashkal`	`ve never seen them chain the oil... ever`
`22:28.52`	`Dashkal`	`Gnarfoz: negative. I nuked both`
`22:28.55`	`Dashkal`	`Capping maybe?`
`22:29.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`yes, that, too, probably`
`22:29.04`	`Dashkal`	`ahh ok`
`22:29.13`	`Gnarfoz`	`hm nope`
`22:29.25`	`Dashkal`	`heh, I should really just do a find on my addons dir sometime`
`22:29.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`Ace2, LibStub, Dewdrop, LSM-3.0`
`22:29.39`	`Dashkal`	`easiest way to find it, I just never think of it when I'm in linux and I play from windows`
`22:29.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah, search just *.toc ;>`
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`22:30.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`I use my editor or my file manager's find for that (just windows for me, even though I could dual boot linux, but the level of usability is not the same >_>)`
`22:30.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`Dashkal: ArenaPointer?`
`22:31.03`	`Dashkal`	`still nope. I do very little PvP so I don't have any addons I'm aware of that are PvP only aside from capping`
`22:31.05`	`Gnarfoz`	`Dashkal: then I'm out of ideas, that's the 3 addons using it for me. ;)`
`22:31.16`	`Dashkal`	`a find for the core lua file will settle it`
`22:31.33`	`Dashkal`	`Also, I find my linux distro to be more usable than windows :p`
`22:31.42`	`Gnarfoz`	`I just (translated, I didn't really use grep ^^) grep'd all .toc files for "glory"`
`22:32.06`	`Dashkal`	`Probably because I work under linux, so it gets more hours of use for me than XP`
`22:32.24`	`Ellipsis`	`get a grep port`
`22:32.29`	`Ellipsis`	`your life will be much easier :P`
`22:32.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`I've got GnuWin32, and no, it doesn't ;)`
`22:32.41`	`Dashkal`	`Ellipsis: I so should`
`22:32.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`because GUI tools > CLI tools when on windows ;)`
`22:33.03`	`Dashkal`	`What I need to figure out is how to get msys itself and msysgit to be installed together and be happy`
`22:33.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`i can't use Adobe CS3 on any linux distro, can't get wow to have identical performance even though I run nvidia, my favorite image viewer, blah blah blah if you use _lots_ of stuff on windows, finding satisfying replacements for all of them really is a pain ^^`
`22:34.16`	`Dashkal`	`Heh, not trying to convert you :p`
`22:34.47`	`Dashkal`	`I use it because it works well for me. I love my CLI tools.`
`22:35.07`	`Gnarfoz`	`nah, just trying to back up my point, but I probably shouldn't have, lest I accidentally start an avalanche on linux vs. windows (as is prone to happen on basically any freenode channel ^^)`
`22:35.46`	`Dashkal`	`Some channels on this network scare me for dogma and evangelistic pushing of technology X... sighs`
`22:36.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`argh, having the murloc aggro sound as my SMS notification sound while playing wow sometimes has drawbacks. I don't notice it because I think it's really from ingame. :>`
`22:36.08`	`Dashkal`	`rofl`
`22:36.34`	`Dashkal`	`Were you wondering where that murloc came from in zanga?`
`22:37.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`the other way around. not wondering why I'm hearing a murloc aggro while there's clearly no murloc anywhere in sight, thus not noticing the sms`
`22:37.20`	`CIA-45`	`03ag * r78426 10PhatLoot/ (9 files in 3 dirs): PhatLoot: Loot frame. Xloot fork. Doesn't have options yet.`
`22:37.26`	`Gnarfoz`	`(maybe I was distracted by our Illidan first kill, though.)`
`22:37.31`	`Ellipsis`	`invisible murloc!`
`22:37.49`	`Aiiane`	`illidan's secretly a murloc in an elf costume.`
`22:37.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`XLoot fork means XLoot code cleanup? ;>`
`22:38.07`	`Belazor`	`I use XLoot`
`22:38.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`I do, too.`
`22:38.29`	`Zyndrome`	`Butsu~~`
`22:38.31`	`NivFreak`	`same`
`22:38.33`	`Belazor`	`hopefully ag don't suck at programming so the cleanup will be nice XD`
`22:38.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`I'm not even sure he's cleaning it up, he just said 'fork' :>`
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`22:38.59`	`Belazor`	`well why fork it if hes not gonna mess about with it`
`22:39.08`	`kapowaz`	`Hi guys, where is the SVN repository for each project at? is it svn.wowace.com/projectname/something ?`
`22:39.13`	`Gnarfoz`	`maybe he'd like it in red. :>`
`22:39.15`	`Ellipsis`	`sometimes you just wanna fork something for the sake of forking`
`22:39.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`kapowaz: there's just one repo`
`22:39.23`	`kapowaz`	`trying to get to http://svn.wowace.com/AHsearch/ but that gives me a broken XML doc`
`22:39.27`	`kapowaz`	`Gnarfoz: where at?`
`22:39.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`kapowaz: svn.wowace.com/wowace/`
`22:39.39`	`kapowaz`	`aha`
`22:39.46`	`kapowaz`	`so http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/AHsearch/`
`22:39.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`yep`
`22:40.36`	`kapowaz`	`I'm trying to set up my addons folder as basically an svn repository with a load of externals references`
`22:40.49`	`kapowaz`	`this may end up being a catastrophically bad idea :)`
`22:40.50`	`kapowaz`	`we'll see`
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`22:41.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`damn ctrl+w >_>`
`22:41.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`it won't end up as one, I think it already reached that state :P`
`22:41.28`	`CIA-45`	`03ag * r78427 10PhatLoot/libs/: PhatLoot: Externals`
`22:42.48`	`kapowaz`	`heh`
`22:42.56`	ag`	`It will never do all the stuff xloot does`
`22:42.59`	ag`	`monitor, etc etc`
`22:43.04`	`kapowaz`	`well, I don't like the idea of relying on third-party tools for managing my addons`
`22:43.09`	`kapowaz`	`and svn is nice and familiar, so...`
`22:45.45`	`profalbert`	`kapowaz: write you own tool ;)`
`22:46.29`	`Dashkal`	`kapowaz: That isn't as hard an idea as it may sound. wowace puts out a nice handy xml feed`
`22:46.59`	`Gnarfoz`	ag`: just in case: did you look at tekLoot beforehand? :>
`22:48.50`	ag`	`Gnarfoz, nope, I haven't seen it. Is it good?`
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`22:49.25`	`kapowaz`	`meh`
`22:49.29`	ag`	`I was just using xloot myself (not all the modules) and was tired of all the crap included.`
`22:49.29`	`kapowaz`	`I've no time for that`
`22:49.37`	`kapowaz`	`better things to spend it on`
`22:49.42`	ag`	`brb`
`22:50.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`I love all the crap included, but people keep complaining it's badly written ;)`
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`22:51.13`	`Aiiane`	`i like xloot base and xloot master, dont use monitor tho`
`22:51.16`	`Gnarfoz`	ag`: tekLoot (you probably know who it's from ^^) is basically just the group roll frames, rewritten. almost identical design as XLoot
`22:51.27`	`Gnarfoz`	`XLootMaster is a godsend. =}`
`22:51.56`	`Gnarfoz`	`sent? hm. if it's sent by god, it should be a godsent, right? ^^ what' the etymology of that one, I wonder ;)`
`22:54.20`	`sylvanaar`	`vhaarr are you still playing aoc?`
`22:54.34`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: I never played AoC`
`22:54.40`	`CIA-45`	`03oridan * r78428 10SpellReminder/ (SpellReminder.lua options.lua):`
`22:54.40`	`CIA-45`	`SpellReminder:`
`22:54.40`	`CIA-45`	`- FIX: Growup option.`
`22:54.59`	`sylvanaar`	`vhaarr wierd, must have been someone else`
`22:55.04`	`sylvanaar`	`from norway`
`22:55.11`	`sylvanaar`	`who was a wowace forum admin`
`22:55.33`	`vhaarr`	`hm don't know who that can be then`
`22:56.25`	`sylvanaar`	`[Ammo] ? where is he from?`
`22:56.37`	`vhaarr`	`netherlands`
`22:57.12`	`sylvanaar`	`other possibility is that someone was saying they were you...`
`22:57.45`	`vhaarr`	`where, here?`
`22:58.16`	`sylvanaar`	`nah, there - dont worry about it if it wasnt you it wasnt you...`
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`23:00.05`	`vhaarr`	`the reason I haven't been on IRC much is because my computer has been crashing repeatedly the last few weeks`
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`23:00.31`	`vhaarr`	`never tried AoC, only thing I've seen from it is some screenshots of a guy blocking a bridge with a rhino thing and kicking people off it`
`23:01.44`	`vhaarr`	`durcyn: ping`
`23:02.07`	`vhaarr`	`anyone have a screenshot of his Heatsink thing?`
`23:03.49`	`durcyn`	`vhaarr: it's just LibBars cooldown things`
`23:09.13`	`CIA-45`	`03archarodim * r78429 10Decursive/ (DCR_init.lua Dcr_Events.lua):`
`23:09.13`	`CIA-45`	`Decursive:`
`23:09.14`	`CIA-45`	`- (inactive code) Starting to implement buff/debuff event detection using combat log events instead of SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0`
`23:10.38`	`CIA-45`	`03durcyn * r78430 10Heatsink/Heatsink.lua: Heatsink: workaround for line 902 nil error`
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`23:28.06`	`Diao`	`hmm`
`23:28.07`	`Diao`	`anyone know why`
`23:28.09`	`Diao`	`/cast [nostealth,mod:ctrl,target=focus,exists,harm] [nostealth,mod:ctrl] Blind`
`23:28.11`	`Diao`	`isn't working?`
`23:30.25`	`_rane_`	`why do you have two [...`
`23:30.29`	`_rane_`	`[...]'s`
`23:30.54`	`Diao`	`because i want it to blind my focus target if it exists, otherwise blind my current target?`
`23:31.16`	`CIA-45`	`03profalbert 07Parrot (newCombatLog) * r78431 10Parrot/Data/CombatEvents.lua:`
`23:31.16`	`CIA-45`	`Parrot:`
`23:31.16`	`CIA-45`	`- outgoing totem-damage`
`23:32.09`	`_rane_`	`/cast [nostealth, mod:ctrl, target=focus] Blind`
`23:32.17`	`_rane_`	`/cast [nostealth, mod:ctrl] Blind`
`23:32.19`	`_rane_`	`what about this?`
`23:33.23`	`Diao`	`it's supposed to work either way :\|`
`23:33.26`	`Dashkal`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:33.39`	`Diao`	`if the first [] fails`
`23:33.42`	`Diao`	`it moves on to the second []`
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`23:42.38`	`qwesto`	`Diao, try without exists, harm implies exists`
`23:43.22`	`qwesto`	`possibly add nodead aswell :)`
`23:43.39`	`Diao`	`i figured it out`
`23:43.44`	`Diao`	`i didn't have the macro on a bar`
`23:43.48`	`Diao`	`had it directly bound using spellbinder`
`23:43.58`	`Gnarfoz`	`thus eating the modifier?`
`23:44.02`	`Diao`	`kinda`
`23:44.06`	`Diao`	i had it bound to ` directly with spellbinder
`23:44.09`	`Diao`	so when i pressed ctrl-`
`23:44.10`	`Diao`	`it did nothing`
`23:44.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`I had trouble with that in the past ^^`
`23:44.29`	`Diao`	`so i just put it on a hidden bar 4`
`23:44.31`	`Diao`	`and bound it there`
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`23:44.47`	`Diao`	`since i'm using the macro to auto-blind if i hold ctrl, shiv if not, sap if stealthed :P`
`23:44.53`	`Diao`	`multipurpose macro`
`23:45.16`	`CIA-45`	`03rabbit * r78432 10BananaDKP/BananaDKP.lua: BananaDKP: Bugfix.`
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`23:53.37`	`Vulcanus`	`well that was interesting, if XChat can't use any of your 3 chosen nicknames, itll infinite loop trying to connect with them XD`
`23:54.09`	`*** join/#wowace JoeOk (i=asd@ip70-187-231-87.dc.dc.cox.net)`
`23:54.55`	`JoeOk`	`when is the new patch coming out`
`23:55.19`	`NivFreak`	`my guess is not tomorrow`
`23:55.25`	`aestil`	`8/12/08`
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`23:55.26`	`NivFreak`	`but I've been wrong before :)`
`23:55.40`	`Diao`	`there's a blue post saying it'll be out "soon"`
`23:55.42`	`Diao`	`on a "tuesday"`
`23:55.46`	`Diao`	`but that's blizzard`
`23:55.49`	`Vulcanus`	`Im guessing 35th July`
`23:55.56`	`NivFreak`	`lol`
`23:56.14`	`NivFreak`	`didn't TBC beta run for like 18 months?`
`23:56.14`	`Diao`	`so it's probably soonâ¢`
`23:56.28`	`aestil`	`i dunno.`
`23:56.33`	`aestil`	`i want my wotlk key`
`23:56.43`	`JoeOk`	`im only lvl 40`
`23:57.04`	`JoeOk`	`im doing enchanting and have an assload of strange dust should i sell it`
`23:57.10`	`JoeOk`	`or do i need it at higher enchanting lvls?`
`23:57.18`	`Diao`	`if it'll sell`
`23:57.20`	`Diao`	`absolutely`
`23:57.28`	`Diao`	`once you start using one type of dust you won't use the lower type anymore`
`23:57.35`	`SunTsu`	`I hope 2.4.3 will be out soon, I have two more alts approaching lvl 30 ;)`
`23:57.42`	`JoeOk`	`ok thanks`
`23:57.53`	`JoeOk`	`what servers do u guys play on`
`23:58.23`	`NivFreak`	`US Frostwolf`
`23:58.48`	`JoeOk`	`why are you a niv freak`
`23:58.52`	`SunTsu`	`EU Nozdormu`

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