| 00:00.34 | ag` | Stanzilla: ok |
| 00:00.49 | ckknight | profalbert: what do you develop with, btw? |
| 00:00.53 | ckknight | jw |
| 00:01.07 | profalbert | kate |
| 00:01.26 | Sole | weird question but would installing a 2nd drive from the same maker as my current one have any benefit over installing a HD from another maker? |
| 00:02.03 | ZealotOnAStick | profalbert: thanks. Cameron can add you as a contributor there now |
| 00:02.13 | ckknight | already did |
| 00:02.22 | ckknight | profalbert: hehe, okay |
| 00:02.29 | Primer | to pitbull!?!?! Is he fixing the profile thing? :) |
| 00:02.56 | ckknight | Primer: Parrot |
| 00:02.56 | profalbert | ZealotOnAStick: so am I getting email-notifications on new tickets now? |
| 00:03.07 | ckknight | profalbert: I think you'd have to subscribe to that |
| 00:03.17 | ckknight | also, we'd have to tell people to post tickets there |
| 00:03.21 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 00:03.51 | profalbert | well... people get the strangest ideas, no matter what you tell them ;) |
| 00:04.36 | Kody | Sounds like a good idea to me! |
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| 00:19.32 | Asususu | So... how long should I expect for a response to a request for SVN access? |
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| 00:20.10 | Diskmaster | Forever and a day, and that's if the planets are in alignment, and also if Barbara Stristan is out of the nuthouse. |
| 00:20.21 | Asususu | haha, ok |
| 00:20.29 | Asususu | I'll be patient then |
| 00:20.45 | Diskmaster | runs |
| 00:22.33 | Zhinjio | Good evening, folks. |
| 00:25.37 | Primer | ckknight_: I may have been wrong about those positions |
| 00:25.45 | ckknight_ | positions? |
| 00:25.52 | Primer | sorry |
| 00:26.00 | Primer | pitbull profiles not saving positions |
| 00:26.10 | NeoTron | Primer: why does "missionary" suddently come to mind? |
| 00:26.12 | Primer | it requires a reload ui |
| 00:26.24 | CIA-44 | 03thrillseeker * r78204 10Baldrick/locals/localisation.lua: Baldrick: deDE is now complete. |
| 00:26.29 | Primer | NeoTron: because you're uptight? |
| 00:26.40 | Primer | and it's "suddenly" |
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| 00:36.05 | CIA-44 | 03ag * r78205 10FuBar2Broker/FuBar2Broker.lua: FuBar2Broker: Update display after creation |
| 00:37.10 | CIA-44 | 03durcyn * r78206 10Broker_Professions/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Broker_Professions: initial import, adds tradeskill launchers to LDB |
| 00:40.23 | CIA-44 | 03durcyn * r78207 10Broker_Professions/ (. Broker_Professions.toc): Broker_Professions: externals etc |
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| 00:55.46 | Aiiane | !rating 1611 |
| 00:55.46 | Xinhuan | 1611 rating gives 480(5s), 422(3s) and 364(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
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| 01:13.55 | aestil | i think something is wrong with TWC |
| 01:14.09 | aestil | half of the internet won't resolve for me. |
| 01:14.23 | Funkeh` | ag`, getting meni wierdness with latest f2b |
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| 01:14.45 | ag` | Funkeh`: wierdness how? |
| 01:14.54 | Funkeh` | ag`, mouseing over closetgnome Interface\AddOns\FuBar2Broker\FuBar2Broker.lua:278: attempt to index local 'tablet' (a boolean value) |
| 01:15.10 | Funkeh` | I right click BigWigs and it performed a left click action |
| 01:15.16 | durcyn | same^ |
| 01:15.17 | Funkeh` | and a right click action |
| 01:15.21 | Funkeh` | both |
| 01:15.49 | ag` | uh I'll see what's up, I think it worked just fine before, but give me a sec |
| 01:17.50 | Stanzilla | I already reported that :P |
| 01:18.09 | ag` | I'm logged in, and I have no problems with closetgnome Funkeh` |
| 01:18.20 | ag` | both tooltip and click works |
| 01:18.24 | Funkeh` | you probably have tablet installed or something |
| 01:18.47 | ag` | no I don't use externals |
| 01:18.49 | ag` | hmm wait a sec |
| 01:18.54 | ag` | might be one of the other addons |
| 01:19.03 | Funkeh` | most likely |
| 01:19.12 | JoshBorke | ~lart ag` |
| 01:19.12 | purl | farts in ag`'s general direction |
| 01:20.56 | CIA-44 | 03funkydude * r78209 10BasicComboPoints/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 01:20.56 | CIA-44 | BasicComboPoints: v3.1 |
| 01:20.56 | CIA-44 | - add option for outline |
| 01:20.56 | CIA-44 | - font shadow now optional |
| 01:20.56 | CIA-44 | - tweaks |
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| 01:28.22 | CIA-44 | 03ag * r78210 10FuBar2Broker/FuBar2Broker.lua: FuBar2Broker: Added checks for libs available |
| 01:29.35 | CIA-44 | 03ag 07ag_Extras * r78211 10ag_UnitFrames/ (. embeds.xml): ag_Extras: added AceEvent-3.0 external |
| 01:30.27 | Stanzilla | only the right/left click problem remaining .P |
| 01:30.42 | ag` | I'm pretty sure left click works? |
| 01:30.53 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 01:31.03 | Stanzilla | but rightclick executes left+right click |
| 01:31.22 | ag` | which addon |
| 01:31.24 | ag` | plugin |
| 01:31.32 | Stanzilla | bigwigs for example |
| 01:31.38 | durcyn | Violation |
| 01:32.24 | ag` | Stanzilla: not here |
| 01:32.29 | ag` | what display do you guys use |
| 01:32.44 | Stanzilla | StatBlockCore |
| 01:33.05 | JoshBorke | well there's your problem :P |
| 01:33.20 | Funkeh` | why is that a problem? |
| 01:33.40 | JoshBorke | insert J/K for those that can't tell |
| 01:34.02 | Funkeh` | funny guy |
| 01:34.04 | ag` | I don't know if that is the problem, but when I left click Big Wigs I don't get the right click action |
| 01:34.13 | Stanzilla | other way round |
| 01:34.38 | ag` | yep, I see that now |
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| 01:34.59 | JoshBorke | ag not read so well |
| 01:34.59 | Rodrigo | hi guys |
| 01:35.25 | Rodrigo | does anyone know where can I download a cartographer database for the 2.4.2 version? |
| 01:38.00 | ag` | you're in a good mood today JoshBorke |
| 01:39.08 | Funkeh` | idd |
| 01:39.33 | CIA-44 | 03ag * r78212 10FuBar2Broker/FuBar2Broker.lua: FuBar2Broker: Don't pass right clicks if addon has .OnMenuRequest, just open the menu |
| 01:40.26 | ag` | there |
| 01:40.29 | ag` | everyone happy now? |
| 01:40.38 | Funkeh` | maybe |
| 01:40.49 | Funkeh` | oh no |
| 01:40.52 | Stanzilla | nah |
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| 01:40.53 | Stanzilla | TOC |
| 01:40.53 | Stanzilla | ! |
| 01:40.54 | Stanzilla | OMG |
| 01:40.56 | Funkeh` | someone bitching that it's out of date |
| 01:40.58 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 01:41.03 | Stanzilla | needs TOC UPDATE! ASAP! |
| 01:43.43 | ag` | uh it is? |
| 01:44.34 | Stanzilla | 20300 => 20400 |
| 01:44.39 | ag` | when did we go to 20400? |
| 01:44.44 | Stanzilla | with patch 2.4 |
| 01:44.45 | Funkeh` | patch 2.4 |
| 01:44.47 | Stanzilla | lol |
| 01:45.00 | Funkeh` | are you playing on live servers? |
| 01:45.03 | Funkeh` | ;p |
| 01:45.09 | ag` | yeah :P |
| 01:45.17 | ag` | ah yeah I remember |
| 01:45.19 | ag` | 2.4 |
| 01:45.40 | ag` | I've got no idea why I've put 20300 in it then |
| 01:45.48 | ag` | I started the addon after 2.4 |
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| 01:46.46 | Yssaril | did you copy the toc file from another addon/template and renamed the needed parts? |
| 01:47.03 | ag` | yeah probably |
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| 01:47.14 | ag` | I can't remember where I took it from |
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| 01:53.09 | DorkRocker | anyone home? |
| 01:53.25 | Zyndrome | checks his surroundings |
| 01:53.35 | Zyndrome | yup, I am definetely home |
| 01:53.35 | DorkRocker | picks his nose |
| 01:53.44 | Nechckn | ewwwww |
| 01:53.48 | DorkRocker | Anyone know anything about ac skillet up in here |
| 01:54.22 | Nechckn | skillet... to a point, what's up? |
| 01:54.56 | CIA-44 | 03durcyn * r78213 10Broker_Professions/Broker_Professions.lua: Broker_Professions: fix data object scoping in preparation for handling gaining/losing skills |
| 01:54.59 | DorkRocker | i got it from mirage ui.. and when i click on my tradeskill button (enchanting, first aid, etc) it doesnt show up |
| 01:55.13 | DorkRocker | for a while it was just all screwed up with pieces of it all over the place |
| 01:55.20 | DorkRocker | and now it is gone completly |
| 01:55.29 | DorkRocker | so I re downloaded to no avail |
| 01:56.30 | DorkRocker | any ideas? |
| 01:56.35 | Nechckn | where did you download from, Ace? |
| 01:56.44 | Nechckn | or elsewhere? |
| 01:57.05 | DorkRocker | Yeah |
| 01:57.10 | Lukian | DorkRocker, Idea: Don't use UI compilations. |
| 01:57.21 | DorkRocker | Its actually the beta |
| 01:57.30 | DorkRocker | Lukian, I'm too lazy to make one myslef |
| 01:57.56 | Lukian | Then you'll be too lazy to fix/configure compilations too |
| 01:58.25 | DorkRocker | Seriously Lukian, your not being much help |
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| 01:58.53 | ulic | try getting the latest version from wowace, at point it's home was there I think. |
| 01:59.13 | ulic | or look in the .toc, often times link are in there. |
| 01:59.23 | DorkRocker | I already said i got the newest version from ace |
| 02:00.04 | Nechckn | and there are no errors or anything as you boot up? |
| 02:00.07 | ulic | sorry, missed that part. |
| 02:00.25 | Nechckn | and it's enabled in the Addon manager, via button on the Character Selection screen? |
| 02:00.29 | DorkRocker | Nothign that swatter catches.. lemme relog and check |
| 02:00.42 | DorkRocker | Uhh, if i diable it the windows come up :X |
| 02:00.50 | DorkRocker | but its the standard wow windows |
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| 02:02.35 | Nechckn | when out of game... look for a skillet.lua in the C:\World of Warcraft\WTF\Account\<YourWoWAccountNameNG\SavedVariables |
| 02:02.38 | DorkRocker | This distro of mirage sucks, the fucker started playing AoC lol |
| 02:02.40 | Nechckn | and remove/rename it |
| 02:03.07 | Nechckn | the next time you start wow, it will be recreated with the default settings |
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| 02:03.37 | DorkRocker | I figured the reset button would do that ( in teh options us) but that would make too much sense ;p |
| 02:03.57 | Nechckn | it could... but sometimes those don't work well/at all |
| 02:04.17 | Nechckn | **I don't know if the one in skillet does or not** it may well work, but it's better to be sure |
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| 02:04.57 | DorkRocker | I am supprised this many people are on irc |
| 02:05.04 | DorkRocker | I thought this shit was on its way out |
| 02:05.08 | Nechckn | this is slow... usually there are more |
| 02:05.15 | Zyndrome | http://www.contactrealm.com/index.php |
| 02:05.17 | Zyndrome | oh wtf |
| 02:05.36 | Nechckn | It depends... for some things it's still popular- like software dev and the like. |
| 02:06.03 | DorkRocker | heh that fixed it... noob fail on my part |
| 02:06.07 | DorkRocker | should have thought of that |
| 02:06.16 | Nechckn | Hurray! |
| 02:06.41 | Zyndrome | why would IRC be on its way out :< |
| 02:07.30 | DorkRocker | Yeah only people i know that use this anymore are comp sci kids lol |
| 02:07.40 | Nechckn | It's just sort of pushed out of the way by all of the other "chat" clients/services |
| 02:07.45 | DorkRocker | I figured i might find someone of decent inteligence in here |
| 02:08.08 | DorkRocker | Thanks again Nechckn! |
| 02:08.14 | Nechckn | np, any time |
| 02:08.27 | DorkRocker | bows at +Nechckn's feet! |
| 02:08.49 | DorkRocker | not at waist level ;p |
| 02:09.14 | Zyndrome | *turns off the 80's techno* |
| 02:13.20 | Nechckn | why turn it off, Zyndrome? |
| 02:13.23 | Nechckn | turn it up! |
| 02:13.47 | Nechckn | or, rather.. Is that Freedom Rock? Well turn it up! |
| 02:13.56 | Zyndrome | puts Kraftwerk albums on loop in his playlist |
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| 02:16.32 | CIA-44 | 03funkydude * r78214 10BasicComboPoints/BasicComboPoints.lua: BasicComboPoints: tweak |
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| 03:35.37 | Diao | lol.. more girdle of fallen stars and seventh ring of tirisfalen in trash today |
| 03:35.39 | Diao | we gave them out to alts :\ |
| 03:37.40 | Hjalte | Does anyone know if Minichat is still working? |
| 03:40.06 | Diao | works fine for me |
| 03:44.38 | Poul|Raider | anyone know whats the difference from COMBATLOG_OBJECT_CONTROL_NPC and COMBATLOG_OBJECT_TYPE_NPC flags in combatlog? |
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| 04:12.53 | Hjalte | Diao: Is auto-minimize working at you? |
| 04:13.01 | Diao | yep, sure is |
| 04:13.47 | Hjalte | Diao: Are you using any other chatmod, like Chatter? |
| 04:13.58 | Diao | yep |
| 04:14.00 | Diao | minichat+chatter |
| 04:15.56 | Hjalte | Reloading the UI helped the options activate :) |
| 04:18.08 | Pkekyo| | sweet, loose change was broadcast on a state channel tonight...even got my father to watch it :> |
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| 04:42.24 | CIA-44 | 03sano * r78219 10doSocial/doSocial.toc: doSocial: *sigh* misspelled my own alias |
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| 06:10.43 | Maelos | Not really an addon specific question but figured you guys might know. Is there a way to browse specific revisions over webdav using a browser? |
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| 06:17.20 | Mytos | would specing furor and using cower every once in a while be a good way to drop threat as a moonkin periodically when ive had a large crit streak |
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| 06:31.07 | sylvanaar | oh damn |
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| 06:33.47 | cncfanatics | g'morning ppl |
| 06:34.54 | sylvanaar | gm |
| 06:35.15 | Mytos | any of you guys know exactly how much threat cower drops |
| 06:35.21 | Tekkub | 4 |
| 06:36.45 | cncfanatics | Mytos: max rank ? |
| 06:36.51 | cncfanatics | about 1.22 iirc, let me verify |
| 06:37.01 | cncfanatics | s/1.22/1.2k/ |
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| 06:37.43 | cncfanatics | 1170 threat exactly according to wowhead |
| 06:38.31 | Mytos | ok |
| 06:38.54 | Mytos | so shifting into cat and cowering as a moonkin is prettymuch useless |
| 06:39.36 | Hjalte | Yes, it is. |
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| 06:40.07 | Tekkub | cowering as a moonkin after shifting to cat is pretty well fail |
| 06:40.11 | Tekkub | I'd cower as a cat |
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| 06:40.23 | cncfanatics | is cowering as cat even worth it ? |
| 06:40.38 | cncfanatics | it ain't worth it to feint for rogues, so I doubt cower is worth it for a cat |
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| 06:41.03 | sylvanaar | in wowspeak "its situational" |
| 06:41.15 | Tekkub | it's prolly like hunter's disengage.. that last ditch "oh shit it resisted FD as it's running at me" kinda think |
| 06:41.29 | Tekkub | you know, a dirt-eating ability |
| 06:41.37 | sylvanaar | lol soothing kiss |
| 06:41.54 | sylvanaar | its about the same as that |
| 06:43.31 | Tekkub | that thing you spam as you facedive, yup |
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| 06:59.42 | Tekkub | HICORY SMOKED HORSE BUTTHOLES! |
| 06:59.49 | durcyn | feint and cower have both always been a static amount of threat reduced, and, thusly, garbage |
| 07:00.22 | Codayus | Top level cower is.... -1170 threat, I believe. That's...not a lot. Hit it every cooldown for -117 tps... |
| 07:00.33 | digmouse | how to track or get the message shown in UIErrorFrame |
| 07:01.08 | Codayus | Which basically means your TPS probably drops more from the wasted GCDs shifting and ocwering than it does from the actual cower... |
| 07:01.12 | digmouse | like hunter Feign Death "Resisted" Message |
| 07:02.04 | Codayus | Hm, and I bet cower uses melee hit, just to make is worse. |
| 07:02.16 | Codayus | Oh wait, I'm like, miles behind the conversation. Ignore me. :-) |
| 07:02.22 | Mytos | whats the mod that kills the standard red error messages in the middle of my beautiful screen |
| 07:02.36 | digmouse | ErrorMonster? |
| 07:02.40 | sylvanaar | hey Codayus, how ya doin? |
| 07:02.54 | digmouse | hi sylvanaar |
| 07:03.02 | sylvanaar | hey digmouse |
| 07:03.35 | Codayus | sylvanaar: Pretty good. Mostly leveling a horde alt these days, and waiting for wrath. *shrug* |
| 07:04.07 | sylvanaar | Codayus i have been playing AoC, but it sucks. I am waiting for WAR |
| 07:04.32 | Codayus | *nod* haven't heard much good about AoC. It gets lots of hype, but everyone I talk to who has playedi t doesn't like it. oO |
| 07:04.41 | sylvanaar | no mods |
| 07:04.49 | sylvanaar | and it NEEDS them |
| 07:04.58 | digmouse | i dont like MMO without mods |
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| 07:05.37 | sylvanaar | yeah, you spend too much time using the interface to be told you cant customize it |
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| 07:05.40 | Codayus | I'm looking forward to checking out WAR, but eh....not holding my breath. |
| 07:05.51 | sylvanaar | i have heard that you should be |
| 07:06.27 | sylvanaar | well - with the caveat that its mostly a pvp game |
| 07:06.29 | Codayus | I like the lore, and I like SOME of the stuff the devs have said. Then the lead dev says something like "there's no healers in this game, because healing is boring", and I start to worry. |
| 07:06.32 | Mytos | warhammer has hyped itself up too much, its gonna disappoint and then its gonna tank like ff11 did pretty much |
| 07:06.58 | VonhintenHOME` | If it's close to as fun as daoc was, then I'll be hooked |
| 07:07.06 | sylvanaar | i have heard from the people in the beta, that its ready |
| 07:07.08 | cncfanatics | Codayus: thing is, healing is NOT boring :s |
| 07:07.17 | Codayus | Also, I'd sell an organ for a welldone MMO in the Warhammer 40k universe. Why did they have to choose the normal Warhammer lore? |
| 07:07.20 | Codayus | cncfanatics: I know! |
| 07:07.30 | sylvanaar | not ready today, but at release |
| 07:07.39 | cncfanatics | we'll see I guess |
| 07:07.47 | cncfanatics | its a pvp game though |
| 07:07.51 | Hjalte | Funkeh`: "attempt to index field 'hide' (a nil value)" these errors are caused by Fubar2Broker, right? |
| 07:07.55 | sylvanaar | is still waiting for his beta invite |
| 07:07.57 | Codayus | I've played a raiding healer from MC through the end of T5 by choice. I LIKE healing. And the WAR devs are like...nobody want to just stand there and heal! :-/ |
| 07:08.21 | Codayus | But eh, different game. I'll reserve judgement. |
| 07:08.27 | VonhintenHOME` | There will be healers, but you'll have to participate in the battle to heal |
| 07:08.35 | sylvanaar | dont forget its a pvp game |
| 07:08.46 | Codayus | Yar |
| 07:08.57 | VonhintenHOME` | no standing in the back and spamming heals, you'll have to hit stuff, or cast on the enemy to heal your groupmates, is my understanding |
| 07:09.13 | sylvanaar | you still have to kill things too, that was what sucked about playing a healer in wow, overdependance on others |
| 07:09.21 | Codayus | I like what I've heard of their tank implementation. IIRC, tanks are hard to kill, but teamates taking damage give you a powerful stacking damage buff. |
| 07:09.36 | Codayus | That sounds elegant; nicer than the WoW threat multiplier approach. |
| 07:09.38 | cncfanatics | well, they're PvP tanks |
| 07:09.48 | cncfanatics | you can't walk through others in WAR |
| 07:09.55 | cncfanatics | so, you'll be able to tank other players too |
| 07:10.03 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 07:10.07 | sylvanaar | same with AoC - its really stupid sometimes |
| 07:10.23 | cncfanatics | well, I can see it getting a problem in places like orgrimmar |
| 07:10.28 | sylvanaar | luckily everyone in AoC has stealth, and can pass through others |
| 07:10.39 | Mytos | thats just retarded |
| 07:10.46 | Codayus | But with the damage multiplier, the cocnept makes a lot of sense. Even if you do run around the tank to gank the squishy <whatever class>, the tank suddenly gets a big damage buff and starts really hurting. |
| 07:11.03 | cncfanatics | Codayus: it also makes a tank quite OP don't you think |
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| 07:11.14 | sylvanaar | yeah - thats what people in the beta say |
| 07:11.24 | Codayus | Not if they balance hp and base dps... And yeah, it's a big if.\ |
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| 07:11.31 | VonhintenHOME` | it'll make the tank the target of crowd control =P |
| 07:11.51 | VonhintenHOME` | Which is the problem Mythic had balancing for so long... tanks standing in the middle of the field drooling |
| 07:11.57 | sylvanaar | living guilds |
| 07:12.17 | Codayus | And as wow devs learned, people hate getting CCed or losing control...so... We'll see. The idea is cool though. |
| 07:12.52 | VonhintenHOME` | blizzard went the other direction with CC, short duration, diminishing returns, but no real immunity... |
| 07:12.55 | VonhintenHOME` | it's actually worse imo... |
| 07:13.01 | VonhintenHOME` | I liked the daoc approach |
| 07:13.23 | VonhintenHOME` | in daoc, if you got mezzed, you couldn't be mezzed again for a minute |
| 07:13.29 | sylvanaar | AoC has immunity like that |
| 07:13.42 | VonhintenHOME` | if you got stunned, you couldn't be stunned again for [duration of stun] * 5 |
| 07:13.59 | cncfanatics | so, with a few different CC'ers you could cc someone forever VonhintenHOME` ? |
| 07:14.00 | sylvanaar | its an actual buff you get after the CC wears off |
| 07:14.19 | Codayus | Eh, diminishing returns isn't a bad system |
| 07:14.24 | sylvanaar | its immunity to that class of cc |
| 07:14.27 | VonhintenHOME` | cnc, you could be mezzed, rooted, stunned |
| 07:14.46 | VonhintenHOME` | tanks had passive resistance to CC, and talented high levels of resistance |
| 07:14.54 | Tekkub | PvP ruins everything, end of discussion! :) |
| 07:15.02 | digmouse | what is mezzed? |
| 07:15.07 | sylvanaar | well, Tekkub wont be playing WAR |
| 07:15.15 | VonhintenHOME` | like stunned only it breaks on damage |
| 07:15.20 | sylvanaar | that or he will, but - no gloves for him |
| 07:15.23 | digmouse | Gouge? |
| 07:15.27 | Codayus | Or sheep |
| 07:15.31 | digmouse | or sap? |
| 07:15.33 | digmouse | meh |
| 07:15.34 | Tekkub | tekkub won't be playing anything where he can't spend more time coding addons than PLAYING |
| 07:15.37 | VonhintenHOME` | right, sheep was wow's version of mezz |
| 07:15.41 | Elkano | Tekkub, I think for GuildWars it works out, but that's something different I think |
| 07:15.46 | sylvanaar | WAR has Lua |
| 07:16.01 | cncfanatics | yea it does, we'll see how good they make it though sylvanaar |
| 07:16.03 | digmouse | but no mods for warhammer |
| 07:16.06 | Tekkub | Elkano, uhm isn't PvE is GW a joke tho? |
| 07:16.12 | cncfanatics | digmouse: why ? |
| 07:16.21 | sylvanaar | um, how can they have Lua but no mods? |
| 07:16.23 | VonhintenHOME` | daoc also had nearsight, which was an interesting concept that I think wow should implement |
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| 07:16.29 | sylvanaar | you mean no mods for AoC? |
| 07:16.29 | Codayus | Not exactly a joke, but.... |
| 07:16.36 | digmouse | cncfanatics: someone said several mins ago... |
| 07:16.48 | Tekkub | ... but not exactly the reason people play the game? |
| 07:16.49 | digmouse | and good morning cncfanatics :D |
| 07:16.59 | Elkano | Tekkub, kind of ^^ but you can unlock stuff for your PvP only chars by doing PvE |
| 07:17.03 | Codayus | heh, right |
| 07:17.32 | Tekkub | see now, a game focused around PvP could certainly do well, aye.. but it still ruins it's PvE :) |
| 07:17.37 | Tekkub | and I don't play games to PvP |
| 07:17.37 | sylvanaar | plus the whole RvR thing |
| 07:17.46 | cncfanatics | I play a game to PvE and to code addons, hum |
| 07:17.50 | cncfanatics | so I guess wow is a perfect match for me |
| 07:17.57 | Tekkub | same here cnc |
| 07:18.02 | Elkano | dito |
| 07:18.10 | cncfanatics | I'll prolly try out WAR |
| 07:18.11 | Tekkub | I have NAN interest in PvP |
| 07:18.12 | digmouse | i dont know what i'm playing for |
| 07:18.17 | sylvanaar | i just cant play wow anymore |
| 07:18.17 | cncfanatics | but I raid hc so, I'll come back to WOW most probably |
| 07:18.51 | VonhintenHOME` | rvr in daoc rarely ever got boring... it was like arenas in wow, but you could have the element of surprise, and could fight smaller or even bigger groups |
| 07:19.06 | Elkano | and wrt GuildWars PvE, it's quite different form WoW PvE raiding I think though I've never seen the highlevel stuff of GW |
| 07:19.07 | VonhintenHOME` | the real fun was putting together a good 8man group and taking on 16 man zergs |
| 07:19.17 | cncfanatics | well, I'm not into PvP |
| 07:19.22 | cncfanatics | if I want to pve, I go play an rts |
| 07:19.26 | cncfanatics | pvp* |
| 07:19.30 | cncfanatics | if I want to pve, I load up my mmorpg |
| 07:19.51 | Elkano | DotA for PvP ^^ |
| 07:20.08 | digmouse | my pve stopped at gorefiend and my pvp stopped at rating 1507 |
| 07:20.26 | digmouse | and maybe forever |
| 07:20.30 | sylvanaar | you might like pvp in another game |
| 07:20.39 | cncfanatics | I'll see |
| 07:20.42 | cncfanatics | thats why i'll give it a try |
| 07:20.47 | cncfanatics | I do want to be able to write addons in it though |
| 07:20.48 | Elkano | what? you managed to get over 1500 in PvP arena? lucky you |
| 07:20.52 | cncfanatics | if I can't, I'll forget WAR :p |
| 07:20.58 | digmouse | lol Elkano |
| 07:21.10 | cncfanatics | digmouse: our 1500 bracket is filled with s3 people here |
| 07:21.14 | Tekkub | My PvE stopped at Chess event :) |
| 07:21.18 | Tekkub | never been past it |
| 07:21.35 | sylvanaar | WAR has a Lua API, though I dont know any details about it |
| 07:21.47 | cncfanatics | yea sylvanaar, if its just for small things and not addons I'll stay with WoW |
| 07:21.55 | digmouse | cncfanatics: that 1507 is half a month ago at Season 3 ^^ |
| 07:21.56 | sylvanaar | AoC was supposed to have come out with an API - but nada |
| 07:22.00 | cncfanatics | Tekkub: hc pvp is fun |
| 07:22.04 | VonhintenHOME` | They better, blizzard bitchslapped Mythic's XML based UI's in DAoC... |
| 07:22.17 | Tekkub | cnc, nope |
| 07:22.17 | VonhintenHOME` | Mythic was too concerned with cheaters to implement anything really nice |
| 07:22.22 | cncfanatics | VonhintenHOME`: wow's api ain't rly XML :s |
| 07:22.25 | sylvanaar | same with AoC |
| 07:22.28 | cncfanatics | you can do everything from lua |
| 07:22.31 | digmouse | and my female teamate left me one or two weeks later |
| 07:22.32 | VonhintenHOME` | I know |
| 07:22.45 | VonhintenHOME` | Mythic's UI's were though |
| 07:22.47 | Elkano | cncfanatics, you can by now... but before CreateFrame you couldn't |
| 07:22.54 | cncfanatics | true |
| 07:23.01 | cncfanatics | but I didn't bother with addons before createframe |
| 07:23.11 | Tekkub | and there are stilla few attrs that cannot be set via lua |
| 07:23.17 | digmouse | and some tech issue: is there some way to get the message in UIErrorFrame? |
| 07:23.51 | sylvanaar | of course |
| 07:24.05 | cncfanatics | Tekkub: what ones ? :o |
| 07:24.08 | Tekkub | disect the UIErrorFrame code, you'll see how :P |
| 07:24.14 | digmouse | an API or sth. else? |
| 07:24.15 | digmouse | k |
| 07:24.20 | cncfanatics | :GetText() most probably |
| 07:24.36 | Tekkub | cnc, one of the fontstring ones I know... maxlines or something like that... the new config panel subheadings use it |
| 07:24.36 | digmouse | I just wanna get the Feign Death resist clear |
| 07:24.57 | cncfanatics | digmouse: check the combatlog for that ? |
| 07:24.57 | digmouse | got 1680X1050 and 0.64 uiscale and get little UIErrorFrame |
| 07:25.02 | cncfanatics | feign death resist won't appear in the error frame |
| 07:25.10 | cncfanatics | it's actualy a frame above the mob and you can't read anything from that one |
| 07:25.20 | sylvanaar | how about inheritable script handlers from templates |
| 07:25.32 | digmouse | cncfanatics: there will be a red "Resisted" in where we see "item is not ready yet" |
| 07:25.39 | Tekkub | what about them sylv? |
| 07:25.47 | digmouse | and seems nothing happens in combatlog |
| 07:26.29 | cncfanatics | digmouse: go for it then |
| 07:26.33 | digmouse | Only 2 little character in Chinese for "Resisted" so it's hardly able to see it in raid in 0.64 UIScale |
| 07:26.47 | Tekkub | solution: engrish! |
| 07:26.49 | sylvanaar | can you do templates and/or inheritable script handlers from lua |
| 07:27.11 | Tekkub | sylvanaar, you can make a frame"factory" that reuses functions |
| 07:27.15 | Tekkub | I do it all the time |
| 07:27.17 | sylvanaar | right |
| 07:27.32 | digmouse | Tekkub: use English and I'll be busted by the raid guys who depends on my RBM Warnings ^^ |
| 07:27.34 | Tekkub | I've converted most of blizzy's widget templates to little factory libraries |
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| 07:28.01 | Tekkub | digmouse, they should learn to run their own dawn addons :P |
| 07:28.19 | digmouse | Tekkub: they are learning :D |
| 07:28.26 | Tekkub | woah wait a second, is that someone USING IPv^ ?!?! |
| 07:28.30 | cncfanatics | digmouse: ur chinese ? :o |
| 07:28.34 | Tekkub | kaugummi (n=kaugummi@2002:5091:e709:55f:20d:93ff:fe87:d832) has joined #WoWAce |
| 07:28.43 | cncfanatics | Tekkub: yes it is |
| 07:28.44 | Tekkub | s/^/6/ |
| 07:28.52 | digmouse | cncfanatics: u dont know? ^^ |
| 07:28.57 | cncfanatics | I didn't, now I do :p |
| 07:29.00 | Tekkub | holy fuck, I thought IPv6 was just an uban legend |
| 07:29.11 | Tekkub | didn't mythbusters bust IPv6? |
| 07:29.15 | sylvanaar | on the 6bone? |
| 07:29.40 | digmouse | cncfanatics: that's mostly why i cant get my WOWProgramming :( |
| 07:29.44 | sylvanaar | no way - IPv6 is making a comeback in a big way |
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| 07:30.00 | Tekkub | WTB IPv6 on comcast... I hate NAT so very, very much |
| 07:30.17 | cncfanatics | digmouse: no open mail there? :o |
| 07:30.57 | sylvanaar | well, NAT has its uses for sure |
| 07:31.11 | cncfanatics | IPv6 deprecats NAT though |
| 07:31.12 | digmouse | cncfanatics: price, 29.9USD = about 300 cny is almost half my monthly cost |
| 07:31.20 | Tekkub | oh NAT's wonderful in the "WE ONLY GIVE YOU ONE IP" world, yes |
| 07:31.26 | Tekkub | but I'd rather not need it |
| 07:31.33 | cncfanatics | digmouse: that sounds weird |
| 07:31.44 | cncfanatics | well ,I mean, costs are probably way cheaper there too so |
| 07:31.45 | digmouse | so waiting for some pdf or translating edition |
| 07:31.47 | sylvanaar | right, its going to be a while until your toaster has a global IP address |
| 07:31.51 | cncfanatics | just sounds weird that curencies vary so much |
| 07:32.05 | Tekkub | I don't have a toaster |
| 07:32.12 | cncfanatics | you're shower then |
| 07:32.14 | sylvanaar | well, by then you will |
| 07:32.14 | digmouse | uh, not about 300, 1 USD = about 7+ CNY |
| 07:32.25 | digmouse | so it's 230 also |
| 07:32.29 | cncfanatics | how much does a loaf of broad cost digmouse ? |
| 07:32.41 | Tekkub | cncfanatics, does my enemizer get it's own link-local too? |
| 07:33.21 | sylvanaar | i like ipv6, but its mindboggling still |
| 07:33.38 | digmouse | cncfanatics: no idea, food is so different here ^^ |
| 07:34.31 | cncfanatics | digmouse: how much does your average meal cost ? :p |
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| 07:34.48 | cncfanatics | sylvanaar: its the same as Ipv4 with some more numbers :p |
| 07:35.29 | digmouse | and the troublesome problem is that I need some VESA account and exchange some USD, I'm lazy ^^ |
| 07:35.32 | digmouse | *VISA? |
| 07:35.45 | cncfanatics | digmouse: you could probably use paypal |
| 07:36.04 | digmouse | good idea :D |
| 07:36.24 | sylvanaar | cncfanatics yep, got that part |
| 07:37.02 | digmouse | seems everyone on Earth can get 10 IPV6 addresses and there still are some spare :D |
| 07:37.12 | VonhintenHOME` | Do druids have the same problem in forms that other melee classes have when they use a weapon they have 1 skill in, their crit% is really bad? |
| 07:37.24 | VonhintenHOME` | Is it is based on their feral combat skill level, which is never low |
| 07:37.28 | Tekkub | yea IPv6 still breaks my brain as well |
| 07:37.42 | Tekkub | the "it's hex now, and has lots more numbers"makes sense sure |
| 07:37.48 | digmouse | Tekkub: like Brainfuck |
| 07:37.53 | Tekkub | but... I like my 192.168.0.xxx |
| 07:38.26 | Tekkub | Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::5515:1260:82ae:f7b2%8 |
| 07:38.32 | Tekkub | not easy to remember |
| 07:38.33 | Hjalte | Tekkub: It's funny, that's my IP too! |
| 07:38.33 | digmouse | .... |
| 07:38.49 | cncfanatics | VonhintenHOME`: yes, druid feral attacks are based on their feral combat skill, which is always max'd |
| 07:40.17 | ramoz | i thought the numbers were supposed to be 6 digits long |
| 07:40.23 | ramoz | they just remove leading zeros? |
| 07:40.36 | digmouse | I attend an IPV6 test when I'm at school, and I quit 3 days later |
| 07:40.59 | VonhintenHOME` | imo theys should have just made each segment of IPv4 2bytes instead of 1 |
| 07:41.01 | ramoz | and whtas the % ? |
| 07:41.04 | sylvanaar | they remove zeroes in the string |
| 07:41.08 | digmouse | IPV6 numbers bust me up |
| 07:41.20 | ramoz | sylvanaar: the first one has a zero |
| 07:41.22 | sylvanaar | fe80:0000:5515 -> fe80::5515 |
| 07:41.32 | sylvanaar | see |
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| 07:42.53 | VonhintenHOME` | FFFF.FFFF.FFFF.FFFF would have been plenty of address space |
| 07:43.06 | ramoz | but arnt they supposed to be more than for digits? |
| 07:43.16 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 07:43.23 | ramoz | four* |
| 07:43.52 | VonhintenHOME` | If they'd have just stuck with 4 segments, 2 bytes each, there'd be enough address space for 18445618199572250625 IP's |
| 07:44.00 | digmouse | is Feign Death "Resisted" message firing UI_INFO_MESSAGE or UI_ERROR_MESSAGE? |
| 07:44.16 | cncfanatics | VonhintenHOME`: unfortunatly, if every single device in the world gets an IP, that won't be quite enough |
| 07:44.34 | sylvanaar | but one device will have multiple ips |
| 07:44.42 | Tekkub | IPv6 is more than just the number of IPs tho, it's also about making the subnets more topologically nefined |
| 07:44.44 | sylvanaar | there are link local ips, and global ones |
| 07:44.54 | VonhintenHOME` | well, I think that idea should probably be revisited |
| 07:45.22 | Tekkub | I still say fe80::5515:1260:82ae:f7b2%8 is too complex for a link-local to be of any use |
| 07:45.37 | Tekkub | fe80::f7b2 I could remember |
| 07:45.42 | VonhintenHOME` | It is, it's fucking retarded |
| 07:45.50 | VonhintenHOME` | I'd rather use my MAC address |
| 07:45.57 | cncfanatics | Tekkub: couldn't you just have your computer traduct the ipv4 to ipv6 ? |
| 07:46.04 | Tekkub | actually isn't the LL derived from your MAC? |
| 07:46.10 | sylvanaar | depends |
| 07:46.38 | sylvanaar | it can be dhcp assigned, or auto generated |
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| 07:46.54 | sylvanaar | rather dhcpv6 |
| 07:47.30 | sylvanaar | i still dont understand where you get the global numbers from though |
| 07:47.44 | sylvanaar | who gives them out? |
| 07:47.51 | cncfanatics | your ISP ? |
| 07:48.09 | Tekkub | hell, I'd settle for letting me use the last... uhm... word? of the LL ... :f7b2 |
| 07:48.59 | Tekkub | granted, I guess it's all mostly moot because the only reason I have static IPs or even KNOW the IPs on my network are for the port forwarding on the NAT |
| 07:49.07 | Tekkub | so maybe I'm bitching for nothing |
| 07:49.09 | sylvanaar | there are shorthands you can use if your ips are sequential (not auto ip) |
| 07:49.52 | Tekkub | I need more wine4bears before I can wrap my brain around thi damn thing I think |
| 07:49.56 | VonhintenHOME` | wow, did they upgrade the internet.. I just did a tracert that got results faster than I've ever seen |
| 07:50.11 | Pkekyo| | STOP TOUCHING ME |
| 07:51.07 | cncfanatics | can we finger you Pkekyo| ? |
| 07:51.11 | digmouse | what does the 4 args mean in UIErrorsFrame? :this:AddMessage(message, 1.0, 1.0, 0.0, 1.0); |
| 07:51.17 | cncfanatics | digmouse: the color |
| 07:51.32 | cncfanatics | they are AddMessage(message, red, green, blue, alpha) |
| 07:51.40 | digmouse | thx cnc |
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| 07:52.37 | cncfanatics | btw |
| 07:52.54 | cncfanatics | for that kind of stuff, see the methdo reference on www.wowprogramming.com |
| 07:53.03 | cncfanatics | s/do/od/ |
| 07:53.21 | digmouse | just watching for APIs and Events on it ^^ |
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| 07:59.54 | Hjalte | Does anyone know if it is possible to limit the addons that Fubar2Broker tries to manage? I'd like to handle some fubar addons, but the rest I'd like to have as minimap buttons. |
| 08:01.31 | digmouse | Hjalte: right click on those addons fubar menu, there should be sth like "show minimap button" |
| 08:02.40 | Hjalte | digmouse: That option has disappeared I'm afraid. |
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| 08:03.55 | digmouse | O.o, if one addon used FubarPlugin, it should be able to switch between fubar icon and minimap button |
| 08:04.33 | Hjalte | digmouse: The fubar options in many addons seem to have been changed when using them through fubar2core |
| 08:04.35 | Hjalte | eh |
| 08:04.37 | Hjalte | fubar2broker |
| 08:04.42 | Hjalte | I'm tired |
| 08:05.59 | Hjalte | I'll make a feature request in the unoffical thread asking for the ability to disable the handling of certain addons. Does anyone know if ag` reads it? |
| 08:06.05 | digmouse | go get some sleep then :D |
| 08:06.19 | digmouse | ag appears last night |
| 08:06.43 | Hjalte | I think he's danish. He might be on tonight. |
| 08:07.04 | Mytos | ag is a donut? |
| 08:07.53 | Hjalte | Danish as in from Denmark. |
| 08:08.40 | Mytos | thats dutch |
| 08:08.47 | Mytos | danish is a donut |
| 08:09.15 | Cheads | slaps Mytos around a bit with a brick |
| 08:09.36 | Tekkub | I like Danishes |
| 08:09.40 | Tekkub | Danii? |
| 08:09.44 | Tekkub | what's the plural? |
| 08:09.54 | Tekkub | øffe |
| 08:10.07 | Diao | i'm pretty sure dutch is netherlands |
| 08:10.10 | VonhintenHOME` | the Danish |
| 08:10.38 | ramoz | danes |
| 08:10.41 | Tekkub | yea, and I'm "The Gay" |
| 08:10.46 | ramoz | Tekkub -^ |
| 08:11.09 | VonhintenHOME` | We know, we know. |
| 08:11.28 | Tekkub | okey, so only us homos watch Margret Cho it seems |
| 08:12.55 | durcyn | i like margaret cho AND women, Tekkub. |
| 08:13.10 | CIA-44 | 03durcyn * r78225 10Broker_Professions/Broker_Professions.lua: Broker_Professions: Don't update until PEW, should work on first login now |
| 08:13.23 | Tekkub | good for you she's not both, that'd blow your mind |
| 08:13.25 | Tekkub | oh wait |
| 08:13.26 | Tekkub | fuck |
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| 08:18.47 | cnc|work | can this function be optimized ? http://www.pastey.net/91138-2z71 |
| 08:18.56 | cnc|work | I don't like the way it works -.- its a bit hackish imo |
| 08:20.58 | VonhintenHOME` | What's wrong with it? |
| 08:21.32 | cnc|work | I don't like how it uses the returns there |
| 08:21.56 | VonhintenHOME` | leaving the function in the middle rather than one entry one exit? |
| 08:22.00 | cnc|work | y |
| 08:22.02 | VonhintenHOME` | I wouldn't worry about that |
| 08:22.39 | cnc|work | well, there's no way of doing it differently anyway as far as I can see, which is why I asked :) |
| 08:22.49 | cnc|work | (except with a lot of more else statements) |
| 08:22.52 | VonhintenHOME` | could add an else for the disable highlight portion and just return at the end |
| 08:22.57 | cnc|work | won't work |
| 08:23.02 | cnc|work | there's nested ifs thre |
| 08:23.08 | cnc|work | wld need an else disablehighlight for each of them |
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| 08:24.19 | VonhintenHOME` | well, what you're talking about isn't really an optimization issue anyway, it's a pattern issue |
| 08:25.27 | VonhintenHOME` | if you really want one entry, one exit, you can do it, and it shouldn't have any runtime penalty, you'll just have to add the disable calls in more than one place |
| 08:25.42 | cnc|work | which is anoying if it changes |
| 08:25.50 | cnc|work | duplicated code is always anoying :) |
| 08:26.06 | digmouse | uh, is there any non-ace addon structure tutorial avaliable? seems it's waste to write such a little thing with ace2/3 ^^ |
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| 08:26.24 | VonhintenHOME` | well, use a flag variable then |
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| 08:26.31 | cnc|work | digmouse: a non-ace addon has the exact same structure as an ace addon |
| 08:26.42 | cnc|work | a toc file with a list of lua/xml files to load |
| 08:26.53 | cnc|work | VonhintenHOME`: hmmm, could do |
| 08:27.18 | digmouse | cnc: i mean coding pattern like initialize, function, events monitoring etc. |
| 08:27.48 | Funkeh` | who the fuck is sano |
| 08:27.55 | Funkeh` | I'm halfway through folks and he just rips it off |
| 08:27.57 | Funkeh` | thanks retard |
| 08:29.13 | cnc|work | digmouse: those don't exist |
| 08:29.16 | cnc|work | you do whatever the fuck you want |
| 08:29.47 | cnc|work | the only thing wow wants is a toc file that has the same name as the containing folder which has a list of files to load |
| 08:29.59 | digmouse | :( so i can only follow ace tutorials,k , looking into them |
| 08:30.25 | VonhintenHOME` | the underlaying code in Ace3 is pretty simple to disect Dig |
| 08:30.54 | Hjalte | What addon can give me the enemies debuffs to play with as square boxes to size and place where I want? |
| 08:31.15 | digmouse | I'm looking at "Your first Ace3 Addon" and trying to get some hints |
| 08:33.42 | durcyn | Funkeh`: if it makes you feel any better, his implimentation is a bit crap |
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| 08:34.58 | Funkeh` | gonna commit later anywa |
| 08:35.15 | Funkeh` | wtf is with the :find shit |
| 08:37.59 | durcyn | uh, looks like he's watching CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM and searching for "has come online" instead of FRIENDSLIST_UPDATE / GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 08:38.03 | durcyn | ewww. |
| 08:38.49 | Funkeh` | god if you're gonna rip folks do it properly :P |
| 08:39.23 | cnc|work | durcyn: who is ? |
| 08:39.25 | cnc|work | shoot that guy |
| 08:39.42 | durcyn | cnc|work: 'sano', whoever that is |
| 08:40.57 | cnc|work | ~whaleuke sano |
| 08:41.03 | durcyn | i like how he's using GetNumGuildMembers(true) then checking the online flag instead of just GetNumGuildMembers() |
| 08:41.09 | durcyn | serious facepalm |
| 08:41.43 | VonhintenHOME` | easier for debugging visibility usually when you do that |
| 08:41.55 | VonhintenHOME` | not easy to visualize what's going on when return values are lost |
| 08:42.12 | cnc|work | what does the true flag mean ? |
| 08:42.27 | durcyn | the function returns only online units when arg1 is false/nil, true means return online and offline both |
| 08:42.40 | durcyn | and he's using it to increment a counter if the 'online' arg is true |
| 08:42.50 | Funkeh` | the folks impelemntation is the cleanest and best' |
| 08:42.51 | cnc|work | shoot him :p |
| 08:42.52 | VonhintenHOME` | ah, lol, yeah, that's retarded |
| 08:42.57 | Funkeh` | spent several nights on it |
| 08:43.00 | Funkeh` | buugfixing and shit |
| 08:43.05 | VonhintenHOME` | what's folks ? |
| 08:43.19 | Funkeh` | what that addon failed at ripping |
| 08:43.54 | cnc|work | thanks VonhintenHOME` |
| 08:43.58 | cnc|work | http://www.pastey.net/91139 ; much bitter :) |
| 08:44.04 | cnc|work | s/itt/ett/ |
| 08:44.22 | VonhintenHOME` | If you say so :) |
| 08:45.13 | cnc|work | at least, I think so |
| 08:45.16 | VonhintenHOME` | I thought the first one was ok, but I don't follow one entry, one exit pattern religiously |
| 08:45.33 | durcyn | ugh, and he threw it all in a frame instead of local vars |
| 08:45.56 | cnc|work | <3 that guy durcyn |
| 08:46.02 | cnc|work | I'd have thrown away that code and rewritten already |
| 08:47.05 | VonhintenHOME` | Is it always the case that the function needs to disable or enable highlighting, or could it be called without really having to do any work at all |
| 08:47.15 | VonhintenHOME` | if so, then having it actually do no work is an optimization |
| 08:48.45 | cnc|work | depends |
| 08:48.48 | cnc|work | sometimes it'll have to do nothing |
| 08:53.57 | digmouse | is self:print same as YourAddon:print or self has some other meaning? |
| 08:54.34 | Funkeh` | self is the function object |
| 08:54.45 | Nargiddley | self is the implicit first parameter to functions when called with : |
| 08:54.50 | Funkeh` | [wording] |
| 08:55.02 | digmouse | oh, the function itself? |
| 08:55.06 | VonhintenHOME` | like "this" in C++ |
| 08:55.09 | Nargiddley | so if you call YourAddon:SomeFunction(), then self is YourAddon |
| 08:55.14 | digmouse | k |
| 08:55.43 | VonhintenHOME` | It's kinda confusing |
| 08:56.18 | Funkeh` | Nargiddley, anser your pm already |
| 08:56.23 | cnc|work | an example is much better tbh |
| 08:56.24 | VonhintenHOME` | If you come from a language where there are classes and instances of classes |
| 08:57.28 | Funkeh` | Nargiddley, also tab groups are wierd in blizz, everything takes up one lines even though there's spae for 2 objects |
| 08:57.35 | digmouse | and, whether should i use string.match or string.find to exactly match the message "Resisted" in UIErrorsFrame? |
| 08:57.37 | Funkeh` | space |
| 08:58.13 | Nargiddley | Funkeh`, don't worry about /ace3 it probably won't be around for much longer |
| 08:58.33 | Nargiddley | and what are you asking about the current frame ? |
| 08:58.36 | Funkeh` | alright |
| 08:58.45 | cnc|work | digmouse: don't |
| 08:58.52 | cnc|work | use == "Resisted" |
| 08:58.54 | Funkeh` | Nargiddley, the title more like |
| 08:58.58 | Funkeh` | of the selected section |
| 08:59.00 | cnc|work | there's no matching that needs to be done in an equality |
| 08:59.02 | Nargiddley | selected where ? |
| 08:59.37 | Funkeh` | the config thats displaying |
| 08:59.40 | digmouse | first i need understand how the events works. looking into the event |
| 08:59.41 | Funkeh` | the title of that like |
| 09:00.25 | Funkeh` | doesn't the blizzard example explain it/ :P |
| 09:00.46 | Nargiddley | well, theres no 1 window to get the selection from |
| 09:01.12 | Fisker- | MY HEAD EXPLODES IN PURE RAGE |
| 09:01.23 | Nargiddley | there could be 3 open configs, and even within 1 config its not easy to tell what the 'selected' group is |
| 09:01.35 | Fisker- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activision_Blizzard |
| 09:01.40 | Fisker- | Key people René Penisson |
| 09:01.53 | Fisker- | Then someone said that "Penisson" was MD5 a hash for aprils fool |
| 09:02.04 | Fisker- | blasphemy and madness |
| 09:02.28 | Fisker- | It's so unfunny that it hurts |
| 09:02.42 | Funkeh` | Nargiddley, true |
| 09:03.03 | Funkeh` | anyway about tabs |
| 09:03.32 | Funkeh` | if your tabs are childgroups in blizz |
| 09:03.42 | Funkeh` | you can only have 1 widget /line |
| 09:03.51 | Funkeh` | visually there's room for 2 |
| 09:03.56 | Nargiddley | there isn't |
| 09:04.22 | Nargiddley | there is just enough room for 2 when there is no extra groups, a tab group takes up a bit of room for the borders |
| 09:04.34 | Funkeh` | :/ |
| 09:05.25 | Funkeh` | Nargiddley, thanks anyway |
| 09:05.37 | Nargiddley | sizes were tweaked down a bit so that 2 would fit in it as it is |
| 09:05.48 | cnc|work | grr,putty is making me crazy |
| 09:06.19 | Fisker- | http://www.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100000182 >:O |
| 09:06.28 | VonhintenHOME` | How do people put the skull icon in chat? |
| 09:06.28 | Fisker- | (authenticator in stock again) |
| 09:06.38 | digmouse | {skull} |
| 09:06.47 | digmouse | or {rt1} |
| 09:07.04 | Fisker- | you have to enable it in your chat options btw |
| 09:07.11 | digmouse | {rt1} to {rt8} indicates 8 icons |
| 09:07.12 | Fisker- | But if you can already see them it's already enabled |
| 09:07.13 | digmouse | meh |
| 09:07.21 | Megalon | and it differs for every locale |
| 09:07.28 | digmouse | right |
| 09:07.29 | Fisker- | rt1-8 doesn't |
| 09:07.33 | cnc|work | Megalon: the rt notation doesn't |
| 09:07.43 | digmouse | oh {rtx} is used in the code |
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| 09:07.47 | digmouse | not in chat |
| 09:07.58 | Megalon | ah, k |
| 09:07.59 | dieck | Fisker-: hm, still sold out in the eu shop |
| 09:08.02 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 09:08.08 | Fisker- | blizzard doesn't care about EU people etc. |
| 09:08.43 | VonhintenHOME` | I won't buy one of those for the simple principal that it supports their ridiculous idea that I can't let someone else use my account |
| 09:08.52 | dieck | hm, I'd like to ask the support whether I can order in US and use them with a EU account |
| 09:08.57 | Fisker- | you can't |
| 09:09.14 | Cheads_ | VonhintenHOME`just let them borrow the authenticator too =) |
| 09:09.16 | Fisker- | US has some laws about encryption |
| 09:09.16 | dieck | do you mean me or vonhinten? :) |
| 09:09.49 | Fisker- | so they're not allowed to export the Authenticator |
| 09:09.59 | dieck | hm, several accounts can be bound to one authenticator, but can 2 authencators be bound to 1 account? |
| 09:10.06 | Fisker- | nope |
| 09:10.17 | Fisker- | You'll have to remove the other first |
| 09:10.29 | cnc|work | silly silly silly stuff |
| 09:10.42 | cnc|work | (I mean the US laws) |
| 09:10.51 | VonhintenHOME` | They'll let you remove the association? |
| 09:10.55 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 09:11.02 | dieck | Fisker-: hm, but I can import Windows with high encryption support? :) I think the encryption restrictions are to the "axis of evil" states ;) OK. germany was called one of them, but woe :) |
| 09:11.11 | Fisker- | VonhintenHOME` only by manually contacting accounting & billing |
| 09:11.17 | digmouse | I only use some PIN codes, no matrix card, no authenticator and my account never gets stolen ^^ |
| 09:11.24 | Fisker- | dieck as far as i know you shouldn't be able to |
| 09:11.41 | VonhintenHOME` | digmouse, that's because you haven't been keylogged yet :) |
| 09:11.43 | Fisker- | And i know in the past they've definitely shipped windows with low encryption support for EU etc. |
| 09:11.52 | dieck | long ago |
| 09:11.55 | Fisker- | But i guess these days they make the EU versions in EU, etc. so they don't have to export |
| 09:11.55 | cnc|work | ofc they have Fisker- |
| 09:11.58 | dieck | and still so for french :) |
| 09:12.00 | dieck | france |
| 09:12.25 | digmouse | Vonhinten: I never concerns about that since my pc is pretty secured :) |
| 09:12.33 | digmouse | *concern |
| 09:12.58 | dieck | Fisker-: http://security.immerda.ch/?p=23 |
| 09:14.13 | digmouse | is creating frames nothing different in ace3? |
| 09:14.37 | VonhintenHOME` | Hmm, wonder how often the number this thing generates is valid |
| 09:14.44 | VonhintenHOME` | or, for how long |
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| 09:15.25 | Fisker- | VonhintenHOME` it'll usualy run out of power before it begins producing invalid numbers |
| 09:15.49 | VonhintenHOME` | well, I mean, per number too, how long is the window |
| 09:16.47 | cnc|work | probably a minute ur two like most banking devices that do that |
| 09:17.17 | dieck | ok, I can't order in blizzard us shop. We currently cannot ship to this address. |
| 09:17.23 | Fisker- | no |
| 09:17.27 | Fisker- | only us addresses |
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| 09:18.11 | erikh | VonhintenHOME`: if it's anything like a RSA keyfob (and $10 it *is* a RSA keyfob with a different shell) |
| 09:18.30 | erikh | it'll last years, it'll never generate anything invalid and the keys last up to 1 minute. |
| 09:18.56 | VonhintenHOME` | I bet requesting that this device be disassociated with an account will automatically flag the account for sale monitoring |
| 09:19.14 | VonhintenHOME` | fascist bastards |
| 09:19.17 | erikh | screw that, it's a trader's best friend |
| 09:19.46 | erikh | trade isn't final until a physical device has changed hands |
| 09:20.12 | Fisker- | VonhintenHOME` you can just disassociate it before selling the account :D |
| 09:20.29 | erikh | that means real names and addresses are exchanged, and people are a lot less interested in scamming |
| 09:21.10 | VonhintenHOME` | That's an interesting point.. I wonder if blizzard is opening themselves up by making account tangible now |
| 09:21.20 | VonhintenHOME` | If there's a physical device associated with it |
| 09:21.30 | Mytos | not payin for the account payin for the keyfob |
| 09:21.44 | erikh | I doubt it. However, I'm not a lawyer but a physical device probably has some legal ramifications to the trading process that wouldn't be there otherwise |
| 09:21.55 | digmouse | seems it's 6 euro or 7.5$ in china |
| 09:22.05 | digmouse | 60 CNY |
| 09:22.10 | cnc|work | can't get it in china |
| 09:22.11 | cnc|work | only inside US atm |
| 09:22.15 | cnc|work | due to silly us laws :) |
| 09:22.23 | erikh | e.g., there's obvious proof that the trade happened, one can't claim the other person used a keylogger or some other bullshit |
| 09:22.35 | digmouse | someone in china already using it |
| 09:23.17 | VonhintenHOME` | probably wouldn't hold up because they DO allow the device to be disassociated |
| 09:23.29 | erikh | yeah, but if you don't think that's logged, you're a fool |
| 09:23.32 | cnc|work | or one device to associate multiple accounts |
| 09:23.50 | VonhintenHOME` | of course, that's what I was saying earlier, I bet it flags you instantly |
| 09:23.51 | cnc|work | erikh: ofc, it can even only be done via phone |
| 09:23.55 | erikh | one can cancel an ATM card too, I imagine it doesn't stop people from being caught stealing ATM cards |
| 09:24.06 | erikh | cnc|work: ofc? |
| 09:24.21 | digmouse | seems one authenticator can associate 3 or 5 accounts here, they think chinese players own more accounts per person? |
| 09:24.40 | erikh | security-wise, the concept of a keyfob and ATM card are in the same class of authentication |
| 09:24.55 | erikh | it's called "two factor authentication" |
| 09:25.00 | erikh | I'm sure wikipedia has an article on it. |
| 09:25.19 | digmouse | a matrix card is enough for me |
| 09:25.32 | dieck | digmouse: don't they have these hour-based accounts in chinese internet cafes? I guess it would be somehow another kind of implementatin there |
| 09:25.33 | cnc|work | digmouse: thats not only in china |
| 09:25.39 | cnc|work | thats everhwhere |
| 09:25.46 | erikh | but the basics are, there is a physical device (keyfob or card) and a secret known only to the user and the account manager (password/PIN) |
| 09:26.10 | erikh | one doesn't work without the other |
| 09:26.18 | dieck | I'd appreciate mobile tan. whenever you try to login you get a code to your cellphone, and have to enter that |
| 09:26.40 | dieck | easier to implement, more secure because you can change the algoriths any time |
| 09:26.45 | VonhintenHOME` | fuck that, I'm not paying for a text message package =P |
| 09:26.47 | digmouse | dieck: i dont heard about that kind of things |
| 09:27.01 | erikh | OTP systems are just as good |
| 09:27.12 | dieck | digmouse: some banks are using that here, instead of transaction number lists |
| 09:28.21 | digmouse | dieck: maybe, but i havent heard of them personally |
| 09:28.24 | erikh | I can see a few problems with that though, a cell phone has a use if stolen and the thief has no knowledge of the authentication, a keyfob is useless unless the thief knows what it's used for |
| 09:28.51 | dieck | digmouse: i didn't say blizzard is about to implement that - but I would prefer it over the authencator they're starting to sell nowp |
| 09:29.06 | erikh | if something like that became widespread, it would merely encourage identity theft |
| 09:29.14 | VonhintenHOME` | And thanks to the nice Blizzard lettering all over the wow fob, the thief won't have to guess long :) |
| 09:29.25 | erikh | why take a wallet when a cell phone is easier to forge |
| 09:30.07 | digmouse | dieck: me too |
| 09:30.23 | dieck | VonhintenHOME`: as long as you don't write your account name or password on the authenticator, I think thieves won't be able to derive it :) |
| 09:30.41 | digmouse | lol |
| 09:30.52 | dieck | VonhintenHOME`: so it's kind of threefold security. least secure: account name, more secure: password, most secure: authenticator |
| 09:31.15 | dieck | and you'll have to get all three in order to log in |
| 09:33.31 | cnc|work | tbh, |
| 09:33.39 | cnc|work | WTB account name + private key |
| 09:33.51 | cnc|work | instead of such a stupid authenticator, much rather use my private key to login :p |
| 09:36.20 | dieck | hm, has the password a size limit? otherwise, just use the key ;) |
| 09:37.01 | cnc|work | wld cause the key to be sent over the net |
| 09:37.02 | cnc|work | notnx |
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| 09:37.52 | cnc|work | I don't want my private key sent all over the internet |
| 09:42.23 | digmouse | are there many account stealing cases in EU and US? |
| 09:44.42 | cnc|work | some |
| 09:44.48 | cnc|work | mainly by gold selling companies |
| 09:44.54 | cnc|work | that hack accounts to advertise for their website |
| 09:45.38 | digmouse | so not many, at least less than here |
| 09:45.58 | cnc|work | nods |
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| 09:46.05 | cnc|work | its also a way for blizz to make money though |
| 09:46.12 | cnc|work | those things only cost a few dolars to produce |
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| 09:46.44 | digmouse | in China account trading and gold trading is swarming everywhere |
| 09:47.53 | digmouse | so we use PIN first, matrix cards first, and seems the authenticator is introduced to CN first ahead of EU and US |
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| 09:48.15 | digmouse | shruggles and sighs |
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| 09:51.10 | starlon | Is Omen messing up the combat log for anyone else? |
| 09:51.48 | charon | ingame or wowcombatlog.txt? either one sounds fairly unlikely |
| 09:52.13 | digmouse | seems nobody, no mods mess up the combat log |
| 09:52.31 | cnc|work | sounds very unlikely idd |
| 09:52.49 | digmouse | before 2.4 we may need string parser or breaker |
| 09:54.25 | Arrowmaster | ive had the combatlog completely break before, and stop firing all events requiring a relog to fix |
| 09:54.35 | Arrowmaster | its a wow bug |
| 09:55.46 | starlon | well something conflicting with Omen. It's fine with Omen loaded by itself, but with all other addons, I don't have a combat log. |
| 09:56.12 | charon | so that's omen's fault then ;) |
| 09:56.23 | charon | bisect the rest to find out what other addon |
| 09:56.32 | starlon | Arrowmaster: I've had that happen. |
| 09:56.56 | starlon | charon: At first glance when I disabled Omen and the combat log worked, yeah it looked like Omen. |
| 09:57.28 | starlon | That was the first pass with a binary search. |
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| 10:05.49 | Arrowmaster | i feel dirty, getting 700kB/s on a torrent while the average swarm speed is below 170kB/s |
| 10:06.02 | Fisker- | scrubs Arrowmaster |
| 10:06.12 | Mytos | lmao |
| 10:06.14 | Fisker- | hope you feel clean now |
| 10:06.20 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 10:06.23 | Arrowmaster | not at all |
| 10:06.29 | Arrowmaster | that made it worse |
| 10:06.45 | Fisker- | :( |
| 10:06.52 | Mytos | ive been getting that for about 6 hours on this voyager torrent, went from 10% to 20% overnight lol for 50gigs |
| 10:07.20 | Fisker- | warez! |
| 10:07.24 | Fisker- | cease him |
| 10:07.29 | erikh | Yeah, i'll run one on a server if I need something quick, I get 1M/sec down but I also push 1M/sec, so everyone wins |
| 10:07.36 | Arrowmaster | i dont have the harddrive space to download much |
| 10:07.42 | erikh | err, you know, like .... debian torrents |
| 10:08.03 | Fisker- | moo: hdd: C:\ 208.88GB/279.45GB D:\ 833.08GB/931.51GB E:\ 709.74GB/931.51GB |
| 10:08.03 | starlon | It's YurrCombatLog. Funny thing is that's the first thing I checked when I started. |
| 10:08.13 | Arrowmaster | diskcapacity[C:\ (6.01GB Free, 149.04GB Total), F:\ (9.67GB Free, 232.88GB Total), G:\ (2.53GB Free, 232.88GB Total), L:\ (0.13GB Free, 465.76GB Total), Total (18.35GB Free, 1.06TB Total)] |
| 10:08.37 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 10:08.37 | Diskmaster | disk[Total: 454.4GB, 57.2% free] |
| 10:08.52 | erikh | heh, I just gave my mac to my wife... before I retired it as my workstation I cracked it open and installed a 750GB drive. now she uses maybe 50-60GB of it |
| 10:08.59 | erikh | cries |
| 10:09.07 | Fisker- | :) |
| 10:09.10 | Fisker- | get it back |
| 10:09.16 | erikh | i've been trying to find an in to allow her to just let me use the space |
| 10:09.17 | Fisker- | though it's a mac |
| 10:09.21 | Mytos | you guys see seagate just release 1.5tb drives |
| 10:09.52 | Fisker- | i can troll you |
| 10:09.54 | erikh | Mytos: yeah, I bet those are really reliable right now |
| 10:10.09 | erikh | and cool and quiet |
| 10:10.13 | dieck | erikh: hm, even with macs I think you can setup standard filesharing in smb (windows) or even nfs (unix style)? |
| 10:10.16 | CIA-44 | 03profalbert 07Parrot (newCombatLog) * r78226 10Parrot/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 10:10.16 | CIA-44 | Parrot: |
| 10:10.16 | CIA-44 | - made aura and aura-triggers working again. |
| 10:10.16 | CIA-44 | - itembuff-notifications and triggers working too |
| 10:10.21 | Mytos | probably not, but still, largest jump in harddrive space in something like 10 years |
| 10:10.21 | erikh | dieck: that is not the issue |
| 10:10.39 | erikh | the issue is that after years of living with my wife, she's acutely aware to what happens to *her* computer when I start using it |
| 10:10.58 | Arrowmaster | how many platters does that drive have? |
| 10:11.21 | dieck | erikh: ah, you're also running the downloads on her computer, not only using the space? |
| 10:11.30 | digmouse | [1070.1GB total, I dont know how much left] |
| 10:11.31 | Mytos | four |
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| 10:12.03 | erikh | dieck: oh, no, I just get every stinkin' problem blamed on my usage :P |
| 10:12.12 | Arrowmaster | yeah although i have 1TB of working drives in this computer right now, theres also 1TB of dead drives in it =( |
| 10:12.13 | dieck | ah, k |
| 10:12.21 | erikh | and then I get to play in-house tech support for a few hours everytime she has the slightest problem |
| 10:12.23 | dieck | *that* kind of wife :) |
| 10:12.29 | digmouse | how can i track certain message in UIErrorsFrame? |
| 10:12.47 | erikh | she's not technical, well she's more technical than most people, but not as technical as most of the company I keep |
| 10:13.02 | dieck | erikh: taking the hard drive out again and putting it in a nas wouldn't solve that problem, too ;) |
| 10:13.07 | erikh | it's an iMac |
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| 10:13.14 | erikh | there is no way in hell I'm ever opening that thing again |
| 10:13.26 | erikh | the g5 imacs were nice and easy, back came off and you had access to everything |
| 10:13.36 | erikh | the intel imacs are.... not designed for servicing |
| 10:13.39 | Mytos | g3 imacs you mean |
| 10:13.44 | cnc|work | macs are not designed for servicing |
| 10:13.51 | erikh | Mytos: no, i have a g5 imac with a removable back |
| 10:13.54 | cnc|work | they're designed for having to go to the shop to make you pay money |
| 10:14.02 | erikh | cnc|work: actually, the reason I bought the intel imac was because the g5 was so easy to service |
| 10:14.03 | Mytos | cnc, youve never seen a g5 tower then |
| 10:14.21 | cnc|work | I mean the intel ones ;) |
| 10:14.26 | Mytos | easier to service than any pc case ive ever worked on |
| 10:14.50 | dieck | there was g3 (normal monitor), g5 (round something with loosely attached lcd) and the new intels are the fully-lcd-builtins? |
| 10:14.53 | erikh | and I wasn't about to plonk down enough to put me through a year at stanford on a computer to get a mac pro |
| 10:15.22 | dieck | I'm actually thinking of getting a mac mini as media center |
| 10:15.24 | erikh | dieck: the one I have is right before the brushed-metal ones |
| 10:15.35 | erikh | it looks exactly like a g5 imac with a slimmer line |
| 10:15.44 | copystring | starlon, YurrCombatLog disables the default combatlog so you can place it in ChatFrame2 |
| 10:15.44 | erikh | however, you open it from the front and work your way down to the parts |
| 10:15.48 | erikh | you know, through the screen. |
| 10:15.59 | erikh | my powerbook is easier to service |
| 10:16.09 | dieck | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac 4th pic? |
| 10:16.36 | erikh | dieck: yep, the one at the bottom |
| 10:16.40 | erikh | basically the really thick LCD monitor |
| 10:16.51 | erikh | absolutely love how little room it takes up. |
| 10:17.12 | cnc|work | might as well get a laptop ? |
| 10:17.17 | erikh | and it's a dual-core 2.1ghz w/ 2G of ram and 750G |
| 10:17.22 | erikh | cnc|work: I hate laptops |
| 10:18.08 | erikh | half the power and features at twice the cost and the benefit is that you're chained to a machine everywhere you go |
| 10:18.12 | erikh | not my style of livign |
| 10:19.28 | dieck | as I'm currently on the road all the time, travelling between study place, work and my parent's home, a laptop is the best solution for me. I'm quite good with my T60 :) |
| 10:19.35 | starlon | copystring: Must be a new feature. |
| 10:19.41 | dieck | wow runs at ~40fps on 1400x1050, so what :) |
| 10:19.42 | copystring | yes |
| 10:20.24 | erikh | well sure, I'm not saying everyone should think like that |
| 10:20.35 | erikh | just in my line of work, being able to say "I don't have a computer on me" is a luxury |
| 10:21.08 | erikh | it means someone else gets to hack on the problem, and I get to stay at the bar/restaurant/whatever and deal with it on monday |
| 10:21.29 | dieck | hm. nice idea :) |
| 10:21.30 | erikh | someone who just loves that laptop of theirs :) |
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| 10:27.55 | Kuosi | the cheapest macbook pro atleast runs wow np |
| 10:30.04 | cnc|work | erikh: the twice as pricey for half the power was true 10 years ago, not anymore :p |
| 10:30.32 | erikh | you're not adding in all the variables, if I may be so blunt |
| 10:30.57 | erikh | disk i/o is generally the limiter on a machine, not cpu speed/ram |
| 10:30.58 | cnc|work | well, you're still losing money compared to a desktop, but not as much as you're saying |
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| 10:31.38 | erikh | and the disk i/o on pretty much every laptop blows more than an air conditioner in an office full of post-menopausal women |
| 10:31.43 | Kuosi | ofc you do |
| 10:32.00 | Kuosi | buying laptop if you arent planning on moving it around is not very smart |
| 10:32.07 | cnc|work | well, duh :p |
| 10:32.08 | erikh | exactly |
| 10:32.18 | cnc|work | but I'm in a train for at least 2 hours and most of the time 3 hours a day |
| 10:32.22 | cnc|work | so, well, a laptop is damn handy |
| 10:32.31 | Kuosi | yep |
| 10:32.41 | erikh | and one of the things that I like about the iMac is that when I actually do feel like moving it, it's fairly easy |
| 10:32.52 | Kuosi | i carry laptop around in uni almost always |
| 10:32.55 | Kuosi | so its handy |
| 10:32.56 | erikh | the whole thing is one unit + keyboard + mouse |
| 10:33.31 | erikh | but yeah, I do my work at my desk, and the only thing I carry with me elsewhere is a phone |
| 10:33.45 | erikh | one without interwebs access |
| 10:33.48 | erikh | it's nice to disconnect |
| 10:34.20 | erikh | and, heh, now that I think about it, 9 times out of 10 people who call that phone get voice mail anyways |
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| 11:22.33 | [dRaCo] | wtb a prat option for hiding players who join the bg |
| 11:24.27 | Stanzilla | uh the default UI does that in parts |
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| 11:25.44 | cnc|work | [dRaCo]: the default UI does that ? :p |
| 11:26.28 | [dRaCo] | it doesnt when you use prat's name formatting stuff |
| 11:26.29 | [dRaCo] | :/ |
| 11:26.50 | Stanzilla | use Chatter then :P |
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| 11:27.11 | dodga | Chatter still needs more love for the tabs of the chat frames :> |
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| 11:33.32 | EthanCentaurai | does anyone here use mSysGit for anything? |
| 11:33.45 | cnc|work | EthanCentaurai: I use it on my windows box |
| 11:33.50 | cnc|work | (not often though) |
| 11:33.55 | cnc|work | y |
| 11:33.56 | cnc|work | ? |
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| 11:34.30 | EthanCentaurai | I keep getting "fatal: write error (Bad file descriptor)" every time I try to pull from tekkub's github repo |
| 11:34.47 | cnc|work | hmmm, never had that one |
| 11:34.51 | cnc|work | whats the repo url ? |
| 11:34.54 | cnc|work | i'll try to pull from it |
| 11:35.05 | EthanCentaurai | git://github.com/tekkub/tourguide.git |
| 11:35.08 | erikh | EthanCentaurai: permission issue on your end? |
| 11:35.39 | erikh | EthanCentaurai: I just cloned it fine here |
| 11:35.58 | EthanCentaurai | hmm... maybe, it worked fine yesterday :/ |
| 11:36.01 | erikh | but I used vanilla git |
| 11:36.02 | cnc|work | you shld be cloning that |
| 11:36.03 | cnc|work | not pulling |
| 11:36.12 | EthanCentaurai | I've already cloned it |
| 11:36.13 | erikh | well, one pulls to recieve updates. |
| 11:36.54 | cnc|work | well, then he has to setup remotes correctly, pull/push urls shld like something like git@git.github.com/tekkub/tourguide.git (or something like that) |
| 11:36.59 | cnc|work | thats a clone url, not a development url :) |
| 11:37.20 | Fisker- | my god cnc|work |
| 11:37.26 | cnc|work | what ? |
| 11:37.31 | Fisker- | o hai |
| 11:37.36 | cnc|work | my god Fisker- |
| 11:37.38 | Fisker- | i have an idea for a RTS |
| 11:37.43 | Fisker- | C&C: Work |
| 11:37.45 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 11:37.48 | Fisker- | i win again |
| 11:37.54 | Fisker- | beep beep i'm a jeep |
| 11:37.58 | cnc|work | well, at least you're making me laugh :p |
| 11:38.25 | erikh | cnc|work: git clone will do that for you |
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| 11:38.49 | Fisker- | gtfo Chompers |
| 11:39.24 | cnc|work | erikh: I dunno then, must be a permission problem I guess |
| 11:39.42 | EthanCentaurai | I can push fine, I just can't clone, fetch or pull... :/ |
| 11:39.59 | erikh | yeah, almost definitely something borked on your end |
| 11:40.10 | EthanCentaurai | *blames Windows* |
| 11:40.13 | erikh | is there an equivalent to 'touch' on windows? |
| 11:40.23 | erikh | you could find it really quick that way. |
| 11:40.37 | dieck | erikh: maybe echo "" >>filename |
| 11:40.44 | erikh | yeah, that'd work |
| 11:40.50 | dieck | but I don't know if that updates dates |
| 11:40.53 | erikh | EthanCentaurai: do that to every file in the tree |
| 11:41.05 | erikh | dieck: the important thing is that it tries to write to the file |
| 11:41.06 | Belazor | git is a load of manure from the look of it XD |
| 11:41.15 | Fisker- | Chompers feel my wrath |
| 11:41.17 | dieck | erikh: uh, I'd say install cygwin with find for that ;) |
| 11:41.22 | cnc|work | Belazor: git rocks tbh |
| 11:41.25 | erikh | dieck: heh |
| 11:41.27 | Fisker- | MY WRATH DAMNIT |
| 11:41.32 | cnc|work | msys shld have touch iirc |
| 11:41.38 | Belazor | ye it rocks so much people can't even update files from a repo |
| 11:41.38 | Belazor | XD |
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| 11:42.13 | erikh | heh, that happens to heavily loaded svn repos when there's no user error on either side :) |
| 11:42.14 | cnc|work | Belazor: you mean *windows* rocks so much |
| 11:42.29 | cnc|work | git doesn't have much to do in that |
| 11:42.42 | cnc|work | when a single user has a problem with an app that 954654354 other users don't have, don't blame the app -.- |
| 11:42.58 | Belazor | Strange how SVN works out of the box with only one url instead of the 5 step thing somebody else detailed above |
| 11:43.06 | erikh | "what's taking so long?" "svn is computing the 15 millionth digit of pi in it's diff algorithm" |
| 11:43.16 | erikh | true story |
| 11:43.21 | JoshBorke | it all depends on your usage |
| 11:43.21 | cnc|work | Belazor: I suggest you read up on git |
| 11:43.27 | MoonWork | erikh, wtf. |
| 11:43.36 | JoshBorke | svn hsa its advantages and git has its advantages |
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| 11:43.50 | cnc|work | and I suggest you go read up how much commands you need to make a branch, change stuff in it, and merge back to the main branch without losing ur changelog |
| 11:43.52 | JoshBorke | use teh tool that you are comfortable with |
| 11:44.07 | cnc|work | s/changelog/changelog, in svn/ |
| 11:44.11 | erikh | yep.. I can use my tool and you can spend 8 hours fighting with yours |
| 11:44.15 | JoshBorke | personally, I like using git with svn |
| 11:44.17 | erikh | that's why I use git-svn |
| 11:44.20 | erikh | and not svn :) |
| 11:44.23 | charon | JoshBorke: but but but... what about flamewars if everyone is reasonable and sane? |
| 11:44.30 | dieck | RCS! |
| 11:44.38 | erikh | heh, I use rcs too |
| 11:44.40 | erikh | but for different things. |
| 11:44.51 | Belazor | josh be tryin to steal my trollin' :( |
| 11:45.08 | cnc|work | Belazor: he's better then you at it too :D |
| 11:45.12 | JoshBorke | erikh: well, if you do a lot of branching and merging, that usage works well for you. for me, all I do is keep a log of changes in a central location and don't need to do any branches or merging |
| 11:45.22 | erikh | exactly |
| 11:45.25 | JoshBorke | so, no, i don't spend 8 hours fighting with svn |
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| 11:45.36 | erikh | if you use svn an overcomplicated rsync, it works great |
| 11:45.45 | erikh | as *soon* as you try to use the revision control features, it breaks... horribly. |
| 11:45.51 | JoshBorke | but the idea that git is BETTER than svn is too strong of a statement |
| 11:45.52 | EthanCentaurai | I think tekkub has locked me out, I can pull from my own github repo fine but not any of his |
| 11:46.14 | dieck | erikh: no, rsync is more like git. you'll end up with 2 complete copies on both ends |
| 11:46.16 | CIA-44 | 03Copystring * r78230 10YurrCombatLog/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 11:46.17 | CIA-44 | YurrCombatLog: |
| 11:46.17 | CIA-44 | - removed the Fubar stuff i didn't like it anyway, added a minimap button. People who want Fubarish stuff use Fortress |
| 11:46.17 | CIA-44 | - fix some typos and bugs |
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| 11:46.22 | erikh | no, i'm not saying git is better than svn |
| 11:46.29 | erikh | i'm just saying that svn is a shitty tool |
| 11:46.46 | Belazor | tbh all I use SVN for is to backup my vBulletin projects and synch them between my craptop and my desktop :p |
| 11:46.49 | JoshBorke | ok, but why is svn a shitty tool? because it doesn't do merges well? |
| 11:46.59 | erikh | dieck: branch and merge enough and your svn repos will be no different |
| 11:47.12 | erikh | JoshBorke: it doesn't just not do them well, it completely breaks repos |
| 11:47.18 | erikh | it'll let you branch but not merge, f.e. |
| 11:47.26 | dieck | http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitSvnComparsion |
| 11:47.29 | erikh | all it takes is svn cp; svn mv something; svn merge cp'd dir |
| 11:47.36 | erikh | really, it works everytime |
| 11:47.40 | erikh | because svn cannot handle it. |
| 11:48.05 | cnc|work | merging in svn fails *horribly* |
| 11:48.19 | erikh | deal with that enough times and you'll jump at the chance to slam svn anytime it's mentioned |
| 11:48.23 | JoshBorke | well then don't do that? |
| 11:48.33 | erikh | yes, because I like working around my tools |
| 11:48.35 | charon | did you guys even try 1.5? |
| 11:48.40 | erikh | that's why I use them! |
| 11:48.42 | JoshBorke | it seems like once you identify a problem, you're just shooting yourself in the foot by reproducing it |
| 11:48.42 | erikh | charon: yep. |
| 11:48.48 | Belazor | If I were to read a comparison between Git and SVN I'd do it on an independant site, not a Git site :p |
| 11:49.08 | cnc|work | Belazor: its surprisingly objective |
| 11:49.30 | dieck | Belazor: the first i found so fast, but they admin svn has some advantages (while git has others. more and better advs ;) |
| 11:49.35 | JoshBorke | one feature that site doesn't mention is the fact that you have a trail where you can say "I know I fixed this bug in revision X" with svn where-as git there is no linear relationship |
| 11:49.44 | erikh | JoshBorke: when you have a 4 hour meeting about how you're going to reorganize a repository without throttling your revision history, your tool is the problem |
| 11:50.31 | erikh | "don't do that then" doesn't apply when you're seriously considering blowing away 6-7 years worth of commits to work around svn |
| 11:50.42 | JoshBorke | erikh: so you're not against EVERYONE using svn, you just don't like it ebcause it doesn't work for you? |
| 11:50.46 | dieck | the git compare even mentions upcoming svn improvements... In the next major Subversion release (1.5), merge tracking will be significantly improved, see http://subversion.tigris.org/merge-tracking/ for details. Would be nice if someone would update this comparison to take this into account. |
| 11:51.07 | erikh | no, the tool doesn't work as advertised, it leads you into a false sense of security |
| 11:51.12 | Belazor | erikh, by throttling revision history, do you mean keeping the ability to view diffs of revision or just the log? |
| 11:51.33 | erikh | Belazor: I mean svn exporting into a new repo |
| 11:52.03 | Belazor | if log is all you want then technically you could just save it and put it in as a new commit message couldn't you? |
| 11:52.13 | cnc|work | JoshBorke: bisect ? |
| 11:52.19 | MoonWork | thats one GIANT message. |
| 11:52.36 | Belazor | maybe so XD |
| 11:52.40 | JoshBorke | cnc|work: when you don't have access to the repository, ie reporting to management |
| 11:52.41 | erikh | Belazor: 6-7 years of commits? losing thousands (millions?) of diffs? |
| 11:52.49 | Belazor | so you DO mean keeping diffs |
| 11:52.52 | Belazor | thats what I asked |
| 11:52.53 | erikh | because svn sucks? |
| 11:53.00 | erikh | no, that's when I start looking at new tools |
| 11:53.03 | cnc|work | JoshBorke: cloning and then doing a bisect shld be able to mark releases as bugged/fine |
| 11:53.17 | Belazor | but if you migrated to a new tool you'd lose the diffs anyways |
| 11:53.24 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 11:53.27 | JoshBorke | Belazor: incorrect |
| 11:53.28 | cnc|work | for the record, you can keep your records when going from svn to git |
| 11:53.35 | Belazor | o rely |
| 11:53.38 | JoshBorke | Belazor: tools can keep teh history |
| 11:53.41 | erikh | no, I could checkout into a new revision system.. cvs was used before svn |
| 11:53.43 | Arrowmaster | you can keep your history when going from most things to git |
| 11:53.44 | JoshBorke | Belazor: that's why git-svn works |
| 11:53.56 | Belazor | ah, didn't know that |
| 11:54.28 | Belazor | either ways, in my opinion the best thing to do would be to make a huge post on the SVN forums/whatever they use to take suggestions and tell them how they can make stuff better |
| 11:54.39 | erikh | heh, they're well-aware of it |
| 11:54.48 | erikh | however, they've known about it for a long, long, long time |
| 11:54.52 | Belazor | then maybe they're working on it for 2.0 |
| 11:54.58 | Arrowmaster | they are |
| 11:55.01 | erikh | great. i wish them great success |
| 11:55.15 | JoshBorke | but for now, svn won't work so use whatever works for you |
| 11:55.21 | JoshBorke | but svn works for many other people |
| 11:55.32 | Arrowmaster | from what ive heard 2.0 is going to include offline repo support but do away with being able to checkout subdirectories |
| 11:55.50 | Belazor | Im not saying you should wait about, of course, just saying that if it's being improved and smaller companies that don't have such problems don't need to swap |
| 11:55.52 | charon | that's one big step in the direction of ... git&hg? :) |
| 11:55.58 | erikh | heh |
| 11:56.01 | erikh | yeah, that's the thing |
| 11:56.07 | erikh | if my filesystem ate itself |
| 11:56.09 | erikh | and I had a choice |
| 11:56.12 | erikh | and I knew it wasn't the hardware |
| 11:56.17 | erikh | I would never use that filesystem again |
| 11:56.38 | erikh | because a filesystem kind of has the basic expectation of not eating itself |
| 11:56.54 | erikh | if the dev can't manage that... well |
| 11:57.11 | Belazor | Arrowmaster: Doesn't that mean if WoWAce moves to 2.0 there would need to be a re-design of the storage system? Because atm, aren't addons considered subdirs of /trunk/? |
| 11:57.18 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 11:57.32 | Arrowmaster | 2.0 would most likely not be compatible with 1.x |
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| 11:57.46 | Arrowmaster | or atleast not without redesigning lots of repos |
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| 11:58.02 | Belazor | I doubt they would do that, nobody would be able to upgrade seamlessly |
| 11:58.18 | Arrowmaster | they almost have to from what ive heard |
| 11:58.24 | JoshBorke | erikh: but at the time of starting with svn, was it the right tool? |
| 11:58.28 | Arrowmaster | it causes too much of a preformance issue |
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| 11:58.49 | Belazor | maybe they could include a flag to allow it if the user believe their server can handle it |
| 11:58.53 | Belazor | default to off |
| 11:59.08 | Arrowmaster | not talking server preformance |
| 11:59.12 | Arrowmaster | talking everything preformance |
| 11:59.16 | Belazor | oh |
| 11:59.38 | erikh | JoshBorke: it was a tool that claimed to do things it couldn't |
| 12:00.00 | Belazor | so you've stuck with it for 6-7 years because there was nothing better? |
| 12:00.12 | erikh | unfortunately, it took adding 2-3 developers onto the two-man team that made that initial decision to reveal that |
| 12:00.15 | Arrowmaster | my friend had to go into work early today to help his boss setup an svn repo |
| 12:00.22 | erikh | Belazor: no, it was originally cvs and converted to svn at some point. |
| 12:00.28 | Belazor | ah |
| 12:00.49 | Mytos | is it pitbull thats messed up when druids wear t4 on the protrait, or just blizzard |
| 12:00.55 | erikh | someone accidentally committed the (very private) medical records of some 9k patients to a very public repository |
| 12:01.09 | Arrowmaster | when i added my 'obligatory eww svn' reply to him he asked what i thought was better and i said personally git but only if its right for the users |
| 12:01.10 | erikh | this commit got branched a zillion times and merged back a zillion more |
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| 12:01.43 | Belazor | odear XD |
| 12:01.46 | erikh | yeah. |
| 12:01.50 | Arrowmaster | ouch |
| 12:02.04 | kilrogg | ckknight, u there ? |
| 12:02.05 | erikh | like I said, I feel completely entitled to call svn anything I want :) |
| 12:02.24 | Arrowmaster | that does sound like a problems since you cant just use svnadmin to permently remove the commits in question |
| 12:02.32 | erikh | well svndumpfilter won't work at that point |
| 12:02.46 | erikh | because technically the file is the same thing, but it has a ton of variant references |
| 12:03.04 | Arrowmaster | if you catch those kinda things quickly theyre fixable |
| 12:03.09 | erikh | that's correct |
| 12:03.19 | erikh | however; in any other tool, they are fixable at any point |
| 12:03.42 | Arrowmaster | well with git it requires history rewriting which for a public repo is a bitch but its fixable |
| 12:03.49 | erikh | regardless, what we ended up doing was using git-svn to do some seriously dirty things to the svn repo and committing back to a fresh repo |
| 12:04.12 | cnc|work | erikh: how did the guy manage to commit that though ? |
| 12:04.17 | cnc|work | he must have been, well, quite stupid |
| 12:04.34 | Arrowmaster | 'svn add *' dur |
| 12:04.47 | erikh | cnc|work: trivially, actually. one of our tests was against production data that had all the private data masked |
| 12:05.01 | cnc|work | svn add * is evil |
| 12:05.04 | erikh | one botched filter command and she committed the wrong file |
| 12:05.15 | cnc|work | ouch |
| 12:05.18 | Arrowmaster | yeah so it git commit -a |
| 12:05.24 | Arrowmaster | is |
| 12:05.25 | erikh | and like I said, the repo was public |
| 12:05.30 | erikh | advertised even |
| 12:05.44 | erikh | so um, we kind of freaked out. |
| 12:05.56 | Arrowmaster | how long did it go unnoticed? |
| 12:06.05 | cnc|work | Arrowmaster: git commit -a won't commit any files that didn't get a git add |
| 12:06.06 | erikh | oh, same day |
| 12:06.15 | erikh | as soon as the tests started bugging out we caught it |
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| 12:06.30 | Arrowmaster | eh? you couldnt fix it from the same day? |
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| 12:06.44 | CIA-44 | RBM_Sunwell: |
| 12:06.44 | CIA-44 | -zhCN update |
| 12:06.46 | erikh | oh god no, like I said, svn made it very, very hard |
| 12:06.49 | erikh | we had to work around it. |
| 12:06.54 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 12:06.58 | Arrowmaster | that is majorly flawed |
| 12:07.43 | erikh | all it takes are a couple of cross merges and some fresh branching |
| 12:08.01 | erikh | which with the way the app was devved, was something that happened a lot |
| 12:08.18 | erikh | anyways, that's my little war story |
| 12:08.25 | erikh | sorry to be such a chatterbox :) |
| 12:09.08 | cnc|work | np, i'm bored anyway |
| 12:09.12 | cnc|work | the more chatter the better |
| 12:09.33 | cnc|work | For example the Mozilla repository is reported to be almost 12 GiB when stored in SVN using the fsfs backend. The fsfs backend also requires over 240,000 files in one directory to record all 240,000 commits made over the 10 year project history. The exact same history is stored in Git by only two files totaling just over 420 MiB. SVN requires 30x the disk space to store the same history. |
| 12:09.36 | cnc|work | also a funny lil thing |
| 12:09.37 | Mytos | senseless chatter, or good productive brain testing chatter |
| 12:09.46 | Mytos | cause im a MASTER at sensless chatter |
| 12:09.53 | cnc|work | Mytos: feel free |
| 12:10.37 | Arrowmaster | yeah my addons folder is fucking huge too due to all the .svn directories and the files in them |
| 12:10.52 | Arrowmaster | and thats just checked out stuff |
| 12:10.56 | Arrowmaster | not an actual repo |
| 12:11.20 | Arrowmaster | ok mgs4 time now |
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| 12:14.22 | cnc|work | how do you find out the size a folder takes again in a shell ? |
| 12:14.25 | ckknight | kilrogg: hey |
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| 12:18.32 | EG|izabeL | anyone familiar with pitbull? everytime i upload a layout it doenst save it.. |
| 12:18.49 | Chompers | ckk! |
| 12:18.51 | Chompers | hello thar |
| 12:19.02 | ckknight | hey Chompers |
| 12:21.23 | EG|izabeL | anyone? :/ |
| 12:21.38 | cnc|work | EG|izabeL: ckknight is its author |
| 12:21.53 | EG|izabeL | well i dont wanna bother him, im sure hes busy :P |
| 12:22.14 | ckknight | I just woke up |
| 12:22.15 | Mytos | ck's never busy |
| 12:22.23 | EG|izabeL | so did i ehe ;/ |
| 12:22.25 | ckknight | I'm always busy |
| 12:22.35 | Mytos | LIES |
| 12:22.46 | Stanzilla | licks ckknight |
| 12:22.58 | erikh | cnc|work: if you have cygwin or a unix toolchain, du -sh . will do the trick |
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| 12:23.06 | cnc|work | erikh: ty |
| 12:23.13 | erikh | if you need one number, cd ..; du -sh $OLDPWD |
| 12:23.24 | cnc|work | ckknight: you're always busy being idle :D |
| 12:23.30 | erikh | (the first command will give you a rundown of all the subdirs) |
| 12:23.48 | cnc|work | du -sh . worked fine to get the size of the current directory |
| 12:24.08 | Mytos | speakin of pitbull, whys do the portraits still show shadows for druid t4 even when combat faded |
| 12:25.12 | cnc|work | Mytos: they don't like you, get out of caster form |
| 12:25.44 | erikh | cnc|work: sweet |
| 12:26.18 | Mytos | meh, i noticed it like 6 months ago and totally forgot to meantion it because i speced out of feral and t4 is garbage for any spec besides feral |
| 12:27.08 | cnc|work | Mytos: I'm currently rerolling druid :D |
| 12:27.22 | Mytos | go resto if you wanna level fast |
| 12:27.45 | Mytos | and thats not a joke btw |
| 12:27.45 | izabeL | Mytos answer my message in pm :P |
| 12:27.52 | cnc|work | eh ? resto lvl fast, wth ? :p |
| 12:28.36 | Mytos | first 11 points should go into resto |
| 12:28.50 | Mytos | acctually scratch taht i counted wrong, first 14 |
| 12:29.01 | cnc|work | well, I started , eh |
| 12:29.03 | cnc|work | let me check |
| 12:29.08 | cnc|work | about 2.5 weeks ago ro so |
| 12:29.18 | cnc|work | (the last tuesday of june |
| 12:29.24 | cnc|work | and I'm lvl 63 now |
| 12:29.29 | cnc|work | feral ftw rly |
| 12:29.49 | Mytos | i didnt say overall, just the first 14 points |
| 12:30.10 | Mytos | furor, naturalist, natural shapshifter, and omen of clarity, and start powershifting as soon as you can |
| 12:30.10 | cnc|work | I think I got 12 in resto atm |
| 12:30.15 | cnc|work | didn't max out natural shapeshfiter yet |
| 12:30.43 | Mytos | mangles prettymuch useless until 70 and raiding so dont bother with it |
| 12:30.59 | Mytos | better to get omen of clarity and everything else first |
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| 12:33.01 | Mytos | and int enchants are your best friend until 70 |
| 12:34.09 | cnc|work | Mytos: I'm lvl 63, so I got both mangle & omen |
| 12:34.21 | cnc|work | and can't afford enchants, I'm rerolling on a new server :) |
| 12:35.05 | Mytos | stop wasting money on gear and youd have more than enough money for enchants and mounts :-P |
| 12:36.56 | cnc|work | eh, nop |
| 12:37.01 | cnc|work | I never wasted a penny on any gear |
| 12:37.05 | cnc|work | got about 480g atm |
| 12:37.09 | cnc|work | and no mount, so sparing for that |
| 12:37.30 | cnc|work | don't forget I lvl'd in 2.5 weeks to 63 and screwed any way of making easy moey |
| 12:37.41 | Josh_Borke | so, what'd i miss? |
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| 12:38.46 | Josh_Borke | cnc|work: the command you are looking for is du |
| 12:38.54 | Mytos | just me bashing cnc out of boredom |
| 12:39.00 | cnc|work | ya |
| 12:39.10 | Fisker- | slaps cnc|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:39.24 | Mytos | thats ok cnc, i dont contribute anything of use around here other than comic relief |
| 12:39.50 | cnc|work | ~whaleparry Fisker- |
| 12:39.51 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Fisker-'s attacks. |
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| 12:39.59 | cnc|work | purl is getting tired of parrying your trouts Fisker- |
| 12:40.06 | Mytos | btw, netherdrakes are AWESOME, finally a mount that my tauren doesnt look too big for AND doesnt look retarded |
| 12:40.07 | Fisker- | not at all |
| 12:40.20 | Fisker- | I find your lack of faith disturbing cnc|work |
| 12:40.52 | digmouse | netherdrakes are tooooo large |
| 12:41.17 | Mytos | the tauren motto is you can never have too big |
| 12:41.32 | Mytos | havent you seen the pipes in some of the tauren buildings |
| 12:41.48 | digmouse | i love my little Hippogryph baby ^^ |
| 12:41.58 | Mytos | waste of gold |
| 12:42.23 | cnc|work | Mytos: it's not like gold is easy to get is it ? |
| 12:42.35 | digmouse | but when you have 10000 or more gold in your pocket and nothing to buy, why not? |
| 12:43.00 | cnc|work | I don't have 10k gold but thats only because I change servers way too often |
| 12:43.07 | cnc|work | I got 4 70s on 4 different servers -.- |
| 12:43.10 | digmouse | cnc: why? |
| 12:43.18 | Mytos | meh, after i got my epic skill i havent bothered doing any real farming and im hovering around 2k gold |
| 12:43.40 | cnc|work | digmouse: its complicated |
| 12:43.52 | digmouse | i stopped doing dailies for 3 weeks and got around 7k on my main and a alt |
| 12:43.54 | Mytos | i dont understand how people could get that high, at some point wouldnt you just feel like "Screw it im not going out of my way to make any more gold" |
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| 12:44.14 | cnc|work | Mytos: raiding earns you money actualy |
| 12:44.15 | digmouse | maybe longer than 3 weeks wtf |
| 12:44.38 | erikh | hah |
| 12:45.00 | digmouse | we wipe at gorefiend and gurtogg for 2/3 weeks and my raid collapses |
| 12:45.01 | Mytos | yeah when youve got it all on farm, but ive got the mentality of if ive already killed that and have most of the stuff out of there, im not goin back there |
| 12:45.04 | erikh | i just sell stat fish |
| 12:45.12 | erikh | it makes me plenty of money. |
| 12:45.16 | Mytos | the exception being karazhan, for some reason i just LOVE running that place |
| 12:45.33 | digmouse | so no raid, no pvp for me, and no money spent |
| 12:45.40 | cnc|work | digmouse: sounds boring -. |
| 12:45.44 | cnc|work | raiding is cool |
| 12:45.49 | erikh | Mytos: kara is fun when you're with the right group |
| 12:45.57 | cnc|work | but well, from what I heard ppl in ur guild are addon-illiterates, doesn't help in BT |
| 12:45.59 | digmouse | just farm some honor every day, got my S2 set and some guardian |
| 12:46.19 | Mytos | exactly, but ive been running kara with the same 10 guys since about 2 weeks after bc launch |
| 12:46.39 | erikh | yep |
| 12:47.03 | erikh | these days, I won't even bother hopping on my main unless the right people are in the group |
| 12:47.06 | erikh | not worth the repair bill |
| 12:47.16 | digmouse | I still need some badge to get my 141 chest :( |
| 12:47.36 | Mytos | yeah, after kara and the begining of ssc/tk youve gotta stop being addon neanderthals because your not gonna down stuff by overgearing and raid stacking no matter how many times you try |
| 12:47.49 | digmouse | I raided about 4 weeks and only get a T6 glove, piece of crack |
| 12:48.21 | Mytos | meh, atleast guilds will give you gear, i suffer from druid sickness |
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| 12:48.32 | cnc|work | Mytos: that being ? |
| 12:49.09 | Mytos | once you hit about 4 piece t4 dont expect to get anything epic thats not resto gear unless your spending badges |
| 12:49.12 | digmouse | mytos: not every time.. we looted only about 2 or 3 hunter gear all 4 weeks of hyjal and BT #1-3 |
| 12:49.21 | erikh | Mytos: heh, I always find it amusing when people see my setup and say "you have too many addons noob", and I watch the people with addons consistently double the effective healing of those without |
| 12:49.44 | erikh | not talking healbot, either.. just point and click healing |
| 12:49.54 | cnc|work | erikh: addons ftw, though I do like a minimal UI, it has to be functional |
| 12:50.02 | Mytos | exactly, im probably running 40ish but actually showing is maybe 5 lol |
| 12:50.13 | cnc|work | Mytos: i'm plannign to heal anyway |
| 12:50.25 | erikh | that's the thing, my UI is actually really minimal (for a healer at least) |
| 12:50.36 | Mytos | have you ever played a druid healer? its the most boring thing in the world imo |
| 12:50.38 | erikh | it just has a lot of moving parts |
| 12:50.48 | erikh | heh, I hear ya Mytos |
| 12:51.03 | erikh | all I just in most raids is just stack the tanks with lifebloom and keep them up |
| 12:51.08 | Mytos | the only way to make it not boring is to go dreamstate, and then youve gotta have a smart tank or your gonna get blamed for being a bad healer |
| 12:51.28 | cnc|work | eh, wtf ? |
| 12:51.32 | cnc|work | I find dreamstate fucking boring |
| 12:51.38 | cnc|work | tree is way more fun then spamming HT 24/7 |
| 12:51.49 | erikh | tree = spamming LB 24/7 |
| 12:51.53 | cnc|work | eh, no |
| 12:51.55 | Mytos | nah, dreamstate takes skill, lifebloom spam is boring as shit |
| 12:52.00 | MoonWork | dreamstate is simply not a very versatile healer. |
| 12:52.04 | cnc|work | HT spam takes skill ? |
| 12:52.14 | cnc|work | 3 sec heals are WAY too long to be reliable, and its boring |
| 12:52.24 | Kuosi | since when does druid use HT |
| 12:52.26 | Kuosi | other than ns |
| 12:52.27 | cnc|work | lifebloom rotations and keeping other HoT's up on the whole raid is actualy fun yes |
| 12:52.34 | cnc|work | Kuosi: the blasphemy of dreamstate |
| 12:52.45 | Kuosi | who raids as dreamstate? |
| 12:52.59 | Mytos | you cant spam HT cause if you do your goin oom and your overhealin too much, youve gotta predict, youve gotta know what your tanks stats are, what the boss is gonna do, what other variables dps and offtanks are gonna throw in, AND if your good youve gotta keep up hots for silences on 50% of bosses |
| 12:53.11 | erikh | dunno, you can pretty much use all the techniques from pre-bc resto druid healing |
| 12:53.20 | Mytos | i used to raid dreamstate until i switched moonkin |
| 12:53.22 | erikh | it's more than spamming HT |
| 12:53.25 | Kuosi | pre tbh you could just spam r4 ht |
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| 12:53.30 | erikh | yep |
| 12:53.45 | erikh | and keep your rejuv up on several targets for a swiftmend |
| 12:53.46 | Kuosi | but raiding as dreamstate now is just lol :( |
| 12:53.52 | Kuosi | pvp spec |
| 12:53.54 | Kuosi | thats it |
| 12:53.57 | erikh | oh yeah, I don't think I could do it seriously |
| 12:54.50 | Mytos | i cleared everything from kara to ssc and tk as dreamstate, topped charts every run and had tons of fun |
| 12:55.04 | erikh | but yeah, keeping 4 targets LB stacked (5 with 100 haste... yay) is possibly the most boring thing ever |
| 12:55.14 | cnc|work | eh, thats not druid healing :s |
| 12:55.31 | erikh | i've actually considered just writing a castsequence macro that I fill in each time with the tanks' names |
| 12:55.35 | cnc|work | if you're doing that the majority of the time you're seriously doing something wrong |
| 12:55.46 | erikh | no, i'm giving the direct healers something else to do |
| 12:55.47 | Mytos | if ya wanna get technical, dreamstate was druid healing before blizzard decided they wanted to change it when bc came out |
| 12:56.08 | erikh | tanks are almost always topped off, they can concentrate on the rest of the raid |
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| 12:56.26 | erikh | if it didn't work I wouldn't be doing it. |
| 12:57.08 | cnc|work | I personaly prefer HoT'ing the tanks |
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| 12:57.16 | cnc|work | and then also raid healing |
| 12:57.19 | cnc|work | dual assignment |
| 12:57.55 | Mytos | but yeah, its pretty much common knowledge to every healer and warrior sharing our tokens in t5 that 4 piece t4 is pretty good, so theyll do what they can to screw you out of it so they can get it, and then when you cant tank stuff past t5 since your still in t4 theyll either toss you or start making you take resto gear |
| 12:58.38 | cnc|work | damn, you're negative |
| 12:58.49 | Mytos | and then if you give them a good convicing speech about going moonkin and buffing the raid theyll let you go to a few raids and as soon as you wanna roll or bid on cloth thats good for you the dps casters decide to crap with 5% crit get him outta the raid |
| 12:59.17 | erikh | ah yeah |
| 12:59.21 | erikh | that's why I like our guild |
| 12:59.23 | Mytos | im negative because ive been raiding bc since a week after release and im still wearing t4 for every piece i didnt buy with badges or heroics |
| 12:59.24 | cnc|work | Mytos: leave your guild, NOW |
| 12:59.25 | erikh | even the tanks free roll |
| 12:59.32 | erikh | even the GM |
| 12:59.54 | cnc|work | Mytos: thats your guild; it has totaly nothing to do with your class or spec whatsoever |
| 13:00.08 | Mytos | thats the entire realm for FOUR different realms ive been on, im jaded now and dont bother trying to raid i scavenge badges and get my gear that way |
| 13:00.40 | cnc|work | Mytos: then you're unlucky |
| 13:00.46 | cnc|work | I never had such issues on any char I played |
| 13:00.47 | cnc|work | even as a prot pala |
| 13:00.53 | Mytos | must be really bad luck man lol |
| 13:01.02 | Fisker- | o hai cnc|work |
| 13:01.04 | Fisker- | you fail |
| 13:01.07 | erikh | lots of progression guilds are like that. |
| 13:01.13 | erikh | sorry, "progression" guilds. |
| 13:01.19 | erikh | they're really just screwing themselves |
| 13:01.29 | Asususu | there are so many tens of thousands of guilds that there's no way for any one person's experiences to be representative |
| 13:02.09 | cnc|work | erikh: I agree on plannin stuff |
| 13:02.12 | Mytos | id say just about every druid i know has had close to the same experience unless they jsut went treeform and stayed there |
| 13:02.18 | cnc|work | but if a guild lets you go for a spec, they have to fucking gear you up for it |
| 13:02.35 | cnc|work | Mytos: I'm rerolling to go tree, but we also have 2 ferals in the guild |
| 13:02.54 | erikh | nope, just seen GM's spend months collecting stuff only to clean out the gbank and transfer, another one who made 4 people take a prot warrior through a 5v5 (on follow, w/o respec) for a shield |
| 13:03.07 | erikh | others I have heard about |
| 13:03.24 | erikh | guild "merges" that involve one person with access to a banker toon or gbank |
| 13:03.32 | erikh | and another guild that magically gets all of that shit |
| 13:03.51 | erikh | happens all the time in "progression" guilds. if you make it about loot, it's over from the start |
| 13:04.08 | erikh | god, I just can't stop ranting today |
| 13:04.09 | cnc|work | erikh: depends on your members & officers tbh |
| 13:04.11 | Mytos | ive seen that too erikh, i started a guild just so id stop getting invites from "progression" guilds saying "oh yeah you can go moonkin IF we dont need heals" i didnt even bother letting people put stuff in the bank, its locked up so only i can do anything or see anything |
| 13:04.18 | cnc|work | i'm personaly in a "progression" guilds, we're a bunch of rerollers |
| 13:04.26 | cnc|work | we didn't start raiding yet, but I don't predict any issues really |
| 13:04.35 | erikh | cnc|work: yeah, i'm in a good situation now |
| 13:05.48 | erikh | dictatorship (no officers so it keeps the authority firmly in one place), policy is, if you get invited to raid, you can free roll on all main spec items, complaining about loot, or expressing loot entitlement is a great way to find yourself on permanent standby |
| 13:06.08 | cnc|work | dictatorship is bad imho |
| 13:06.10 | erikh | problems normally sort themselves out quickly |
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| 13:06.23 | cnc|work | here its just loot council |
| 13:06.28 | cnc|work | no rolls, offis decide who gets loot |
| 13:06.37 | Fisker- | oh noes cnc|work |
| 13:06.40 | Fisker- | i be farting on you |
| 13:06.51 | erikh | yep, and I imagine your officers are the best-geared toons in the guild |
| 13:06.52 | cnc|work | Fisker-: you already are ? |
| 13:06.57 | erikh | and maybe their alts come in a close seconds |
| 13:06.58 | cnc|work | erikh: eh, no |
| 13:07.03 | erikh | that's normally how loot council goes |
| 13:07.06 | Mytos | ive only been in one dictatorship guild, and it was great until i left to transfer to a friends realm |
| 13:07.21 | erikh | it's hard to argue with /roll |
| 13:07.22 | Asususu | you'd think it would, but I've never seen loot council go bad like that... |
| 13:07.23 | Mytos | ive never been in a lootcouncil that was ever fair |
| 13:07.26 | cnc|work | erikh: thats how it goes on loot horny officers that only care about themselves |
| 13:07.50 | erikh | cnc|work: my experience is that is the rule, not the exception |
| 13:07.55 | erikh | people push for officer just for that reason |
| 13:08.12 | Mytos | i dunno, if this guild ever starts raiding 25 mans im gonna have a policy stricter than a nazi |
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| 13:08.29 | Mytos | somebody complains about loot, im sharding it |
| 13:08.36 | Mytos | first complaint, its gone, noone gets it |
| 13:08.45 | digmouse | half of officers of my guild is in the lower raid in BT, and only some class leaders are doing SW |
| 13:08.47 | cnc|work | erikh: if somebody asks for a loot while the council is deciding he's definatly not getting it |
| 13:08.53 | MoonWork | our guildbank is completly open aside from one tab, that tab is reserved for disenchanted epics, mights and the like. |
| 13:08.55 | cnc|work | Mytos: thats a waste, and you wo'nt get far that way |
| 13:09.12 | MoonWork | there is one officer that makes sure the bank is properly sorted sells excess and stuff |
| 13:09.15 | Asususu | Mytos: I'd so /gquit =p ok ok, I'd never join a guild with policies like that actually |
| 13:09.16 | erikh | MoonWork: yeah, we maintain promotions based on attendance |
| 13:09.17 | charon | doesn't even matter if it's fair IMO, at some point someone _will_ claim he has been treated unfairly if there is any human decision element in the process |
| 13:09.22 | Mytos | at this point i dont care about far, i just dont wanna hear people complain about not getting loot after ive gotten screwed so many times myself |
| 13:09.24 | cnc|work | a loot council (or dictator) shld make sure as less loot as possible gets disenchanted |
| 13:09.32 | erikh | basically, if you have over x% attendance, you have access to your class tab |
| 13:09.38 | erikh | something like 3 withdrawals |
| 13:09.53 | erikh | ensures the raiders are using the stuff in there. |
| 13:09.53 | MoonWork | and anyone who abuses the guildbank policy (take if you give, doesn't have to be equal now but it should be over time) simply gets demoted so they can't use it. |
| 13:10.00 | cnc|work | erikh, Mytos: you guys are weird :p |
| 13:10.10 | erikh | dunno, it's very low-administration. |
| 13:10.11 | MoonWork | give as you take* |
| 13:10.15 | erikh | very, very, very low-administration |
| 13:10.30 | erikh | like I said, it's hard to argue with /roll and any political issues are quashed from the outset |
| 13:10.46 | Asususu | I've seen guilds break up over loot drama related to /roll |
| 13:10.53 | MoonWork | for 10mens we use SKG |
| 13:10.56 | erikh | yep, that's why everyone's told before they join |
| 13:10.56 | Asususu | Like, who should be /rolling on what |
| 13:11.03 | MoonWork | for 25 mans we have a dkp system |
| 13:11.16 | cnc|work | dkp is unfair by definition |
| 13:11.19 | cnc|work | screws over new raiders |
| 13:11.22 | MoonWork | i would prefer skg for that too but logistics are quite bad over 10 per raid. |
| 13:11.23 | erikh | the only time a /roll is nullified if it's not for main spec |
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| 13:11.33 | Fisker- | cnc|work |
| 13:11.33 | erikh | in the event no one rolls, offspecs are allowed to roll |
| 13:11.34 | Fisker- | go fail |
| 13:11.43 | cnc|work | Fisker-: gtfo ? |
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| 13:11.50 | erikh | it's very simple and direct and elegant |
| 13:11.50 | Fisker- | ends cnc|work |
| 13:12.20 | cnc|work | its simple & direct, not elegant |
| 13:12.26 | Fisker- | http://planetcnc.gamespy.com/screenshots/full_res.php?ss=2991 <-fail |
| 13:12.34 | erikh | no one missed raids for four weeks and blows their wad on new instance loot |
| 13:12.56 | erikh | no one can say they got screwed out of something they needed |
| 13:12.58 | erikh | it's simple |
| 13:13.07 | cnc|work | erikh: there WILL be drama |
| 13:13.16 | erikh | hell, there *has* been drama |
| 13:13.18 | MoonWork | cnc|work, EVERY system has drama. |
| 13:13.28 | cnc|work | ofc, but rolling has more then some others imo |
| 13:13.28 | erikh | and once you say, "you saw the /roll like everyone else" |
| 13:13.32 | erikh | they tend to clam up |
| 13:13.34 | charon | s/system/human/ |
| 13:13.39 | Asususu | And every system I've seen can be called unfair to someone involved, from some point of view... |
| 13:13.46 | erikh | and if they hate it that much, they go find a dkp guild that will cater to their inability to cope |
| 13:14.05 | cnc|work | erikh: what does your guild raid ? |
| 13:14.05 | erikh | self moderating :) |
| 13:14.22 | erikh | hyjal right now |
| 13:15.10 | Xinhuan | ~dict ghetto |
| 13:15.18 | erikh | we just flat out skipped tk/ssc |
| 13:15.25 | cnc|work | erikh: heh |
| 13:16.13 | erikh | we have winterchill down and I imagine it'll be another week before anatheron is down, summer is causing attendance issues with the younger members |
| 13:16.16 | Fisker- | cnc|work |
| 13:16.19 | Fisker- | I SAID FAIL |
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| 13:17.01 | cnc|work | erikh: pugs get winterchill down though |
| 13:17.10 | cnc|work | Fisker-: once more and I ignore you |
| 13:17.27 | erikh | pugs are doing sunwell on my server |
| 13:17.31 | cnc|work | same here |
| 13:17.36 | cnc|work | trash only though |
| 13:17.37 | erikh | I fail to see your point |
| 13:17.54 | cnc|work | my point is that killing a boss easyer then most ssc/tk bosses in MH is not an achievment |
| 13:18.03 | Fisker- | boohoo :( |
| 13:18.04 | erikh | ah, you're evaluating my e-peen |
| 13:18.13 | erikh | I guess that has a lot to do with our loot system. |
| 13:18.25 | Fisker- | please don't ignore me, i might have to hurt myself! |
| 13:18.52 | Fisker- | Internet = srs business |
| 13:19.05 | erikh | Fisker-: indeed |
| 13:19.16 | cnc|work | erikh: a bit |
| 13:19.28 | cnc|work | erikh: a lot of guilds have such a loot system when they start raiding |
| 13:20.00 | cnc|work | but when (if) they start raiding the last instance blizz made (in this case, swp) then they usualy start using something else to make progression faster |
| 13:20.05 | cnc|work | at least, thats what I experienced |
| 13:21.24 | Mytos | i like my idea of "if you dont like who I give it to Im stickin my boot in your ass" loot system |
| 13:21.42 | Mytos | im gonna call it iydlwigitismbiya loot system |
| 13:22.35 | Josh_Borke | Mytos: aka FU system? |
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| 13:24.12 | Mytos | nooooooo I like the really long whatchamacallit (brainfart: shortening a name using just the first initals) |
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| 13:24.36 | erikh | cnc|work: so, in your mighty bottomless well of experience, you are well aware that when guilds reform there is generally a great deal of catch-up and recruiting involved, right? |
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| 13:25.28 | cnc|work | if you want to talk to me or have an argument, remove those idiot expressions from your phrase and I might consider answering you |
| 13:25.41 | erikh | well, I just want to point out that we can both be condescending pricks. |
| 13:25.43 | Mytos | aka we suck and all the good raiders carrying us left now weve gotta recruit, or the flipside of, they suck we got sick of carrying them now we need to fill spaces? |
| 13:28.21 | Mytos | anyone know offhand if i can still loot netherwing eggs and turn them in after exhalted |
| 13:28.35 | cnc|work | is it a daily ? |
| 13:28.36 | cnc|work | if it is, yes |
| 13:28.51 | Asususu | no, not really, it's a repeatable quest in the old sense, not a daily |
| 13:29.00 | phyber | you can do it, but there is no point. |
| 13:29.20 | phyber | I have a stack of 20x of them in the bank for no real reason. maybe one day they will hatch into 20x netherwing pets. |
| 13:29.22 | Mytos | sure there is |
| 13:29.24 | cnc|work | why would you want to if you can't get money from it ? |
| 13:29.38 | Mytos | to deprive other people of it |
| 13:29.42 | erikh | Mytos: quite different than both of those, actually. our raid leader made the "minus 50 dkp" guy look tame, and after years of gathering this reputation he took a small group of close buddies and rr'd in an attempt to wipe his reputation clean |
| 13:29.58 | erikh | because no one would raid with him |
| 13:30.16 | erikh | some of us went there, realized it wasn't going to change anything and came back |
| 13:30.19 | Mytos | what, you guys get tired of hearing odds right side evens left side in every bossfight LOL |
| 13:30.29 | erikh | Mytos: oh, much worse than that. |
| 13:30.50 | erikh | one time, he sat with us for 30 minutes asking us questions on a wowwiki page for a fight |
| 13:31.01 | erikh | if we did not provide the answer from the page in *verbatim*, minus dkp |
| 13:31.12 | Mytos | at one point in the last "progression" guild i was in we had a rule that saying "50 dkp minus" got you a guild kick |
| 13:31.13 | phyber | erikh: naturally, the way to beat that quiz is to edit the wiki page with the answer you're about to give! :D |
| 13:31.20 | erikh | phyber: heh |
| 13:32.04 | erikh | we realized, after running toons all the way to 70 and raiding again, that this was going nowhere and he would have a guild full of people that would take anything he could dish out as long as the epics kept dropping |
| 13:32.15 | erikh | so now we're having fun, and progressing rapidly |
| 13:32.32 | erikh | in a nearly drama-free environment |
| 13:32.41 | cnc|work | hates drama |
| 13:32.48 | cnc|work | we ofc, do have one drama monger in our guild though |
| 13:33.05 | Mytos | i dont think ill go out and farm the eggs persay, but if i see an alliance trying to get one, im gonna gank him and take it to spite him |
| 13:34.11 | cnc|work | haha |
| 13:34.13 | erikh | nn all, i've been damn cranky all day it seems |
| 13:34.18 | cnc|work | I gank ally on site these days |
| 13:34.28 | cnc|work | they do the same anyway so not worth it giving them the chance to attack first |
| 13:34.39 | Chompers | only when you know you'll win, right? |
| 13:34.55 | cnc|work | doesn't matter rly |
| 13:34.57 | cnc|work | I always attacki |
| 13:35.02 | cnc|work | if I don't they'll attack me anyway |
| 13:35.03 | Chompers | yeah, sure |
| 13:35.08 | Asususu | ... pvp servers really suck when you're a class and spec that's incapable of winning 1v1 |
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| 13:35.45 | Mytos | at one point i had to change my mages name because i couldnt get anything done, i had ganked on sight and camped from 15-60 and then it was the last toon for me to level to 70, so when i hit outland they were all already 70 and i got camped almost non-stop lol |
| 13:36.08 | cnc|work | lol |
| 13:36.18 | cnc|work | I don't think I actualy have a rep ally side of being a ganker |
| 13:36.24 | cnc|work | although idid that too, the server is too big for that |
| 13:36.34 | cnc|work | didn't camp though , slows down lvl'ing |
| 13:36.45 | Mytos | id camp for hours |
| 13:36.53 | cnc|work | lol |
| 13:36.55 | cnc|work | evol |
| 13:36.55 | Mytos | it took me MONTHS to level that toon |
| 13:37.26 | Mytos | i seriously had more time /played when that toon hit 60 than i did on any other toon, and they all had tier2 already |
| 13:37.33 | cnc|work | hehe |
| 13:38.01 | Mytos | best part, was its name |
| 13:38.26 | Mytos | Ieatyourface, undead pompyro mage and id cannibalize EVERYONE even if i didnt need to |
| 13:40.13 | Pkekyo| | you sick bastard :p |
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| 13:41.07 | CIA-44 | 03kilrogg * r78233 10FuBar_ClockFu/ (ClockFu.lua ClockFuLocale-deDE.lua ClockFuLocale-enUS.lua): |
| 13:41.07 | CIA-44 | FuBar_ClockFu: - Added Blizzard time manager (Patch 2.4.3) on click |
| 13:41.07 | CIA-44 | - Option to remove Blizzard Mimimap Clock (2.4.3) |
| 13:41.37 | cnc|work | what do people consider a sane amount of raiders for a hc raiding guild ? |
| 13:41.41 | cnc|work | 35-37 ppl ? |
| 13:41.56 | Mytos | 30 tops |
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| 13:42.08 | Mytos | maybe 35 but no more |
| 13:42.28 | cnc|work | getting anoyed, we're nearly 40 in our guild and still recruiting 3 |
| 13:42.32 | cnc|work | gonna talk to offis when i get home |
| 13:42.54 | Mytos | im going by actual raiders with more than 80% attendance, not alts and casuals, and pvpers |
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| 13:44.33 | cnc|work | rly need to talk to offis then |
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| 13:45.28 | Mytos | ya get more than that and then some days youve got 10-15 people sitting out and theyre all pissed, and if you make other people sit out the next week they get all pissed, and its just huge drama |
| 13:45.53 | cnc|work | idd |
| 13:46.00 | cnc|work | need to ask em wtf they're doing then |
| 13:46.12 | cnc|work | (we're a rerollers guild, ppl are still lvl'ing, didn't start raiding yet) |
| 13:48.15 | Pkekyo| | if that's the case, some are bound to leave eventually |
| 13:48.31 | cnc|work | well, some people in the guild are actualy of the opinion its not *enough* |
| 13:48.39 | cnc|work | I feel like bitchslapping them :p |
| 13:48.45 | Pkekyo| | I really wouldn't worry about it -yet- |
| 13:48.58 | Pkekyo| | cnc|work: do that, then there'll be one toon left in the guild :p |
| 13:48.59 | cnc|work | well, can't hurt to talk to offis to ask what they're planning to do |
| 13:49.16 | cnc|work | Pkekyo|: how so ? :p we're a full guild and quite active too :p |
| 13:49.47 | Mytos | gotta make sure your officers understand that theres gonna be days where you have multiple people not show and you either cant go or youve gotta ironman it with 5 less people, doesnt mean you need to recruit 15 people, just means you had a bad day and either got your butts kicked or you didnt raid |
| 13:50.06 | Pkekyo| | cnc|work: what comment was the howso reffering to? |
| 13:50.20 | cnc|work | your last one ? "do that then ..." |
| 13:50.39 | Pkekyo| | bitchslapping officers is a nice way to get booted :) |
| 13:50.42 | Pkekyo| | (physically, that is) |
| 13:50.52 | cnc|work | bitchslapping the *members* that say we need more |
| 13:51.07 | Pkekyo| | oh |
| 13:51.08 | Pkekyo| | carry on then |
| 13:51.18 | Funkeh` | so |
| 13:51.20 | Funkeh` | fucking |
| 13:51.21 | Funkeh` | cold |
| 13:51.34 | Funkeh` | walking down the beach for 2 hours with that crazy dog |
| 13:51.38 | Funkeh` | my fingers are falling off |
| 13:51.59 | Funkeh` | where's my damn summer |
| 13:52.01 | Pkekyo| | you're on the good end of the leash, control the bugger and drag him home :p |
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| 13:57.54 | cnc|work | Pkekyo|: the good end of the leash is the end with the animal which has the most strength :p nothing else |
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| 13:59.32 | Pkekyo| | if he got a dog alot stronger than him he -deserves- to get pulled around the beach for two straight hours |
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| 14:00.43 | cnc|work | true |
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| 14:00.56 | cnc|work | Funkeh`: see, you deserve it |
| 14:01.36 | Funkeh` | I don't have it on a leash at the ebach |
| 14:01.41 | digmouse | lit a fire |
| 14:01.41 | Funkeh` | beach |
| 14:02.42 | cnc|work | then you also deserve it |
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| 14:06.12 | Pkekyo| | then you deserve to have it bite you in the bollocks |
| 14:06.17 | CIA-44 | 03thrillseeker * r78234 10Baldrick/locals/localisation.lua: Baldrick: deDE fix |
| 14:06.32 | Pkekyo| | "yay for loose dogs eating small kids at the beach!" |
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| 14:11.41 | ckknight | hey all, how's everyone doing? |
| 14:13.57 | cnc|work | bored |
| 14:13.58 | Stanzilla | fine |
| 14:14.02 | cnc|work | 17 more minutes to spend at woek |
| 14:14.07 | cnc|work | s/ek/rk/ |
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| 14:25.55 | CIA-44 | 03thrillseeker * r78235 10Baldrick/locals/localisation.lua: Baldrick: deDE fix |
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| 14:27.49 | VVyrm | Could someone recommend an addon that keeps track of my Sap/blind/stun timer etc? For both PvE and PvP. |
| 14:28.01 | cnc|work | dottimer |
| 14:28.33 | Mytos | dottimer sucks : discuss |
| 14:28.49 | Xinhuan | OmniCC |
| 14:28.49 | cnc|work | Mytos: ur right, but its the easyest name to remember and to tell to newcommers on the channel |
| 14:30.08 | Mytos | i need a new mod to play with somebody list something |
| 14:30.39 | VVyrm | Ok, thanks. I will give them a try. |
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| 14:34.54 | Mytos | have you guys seen this opie mod? has a crysis type hud selection interface? |
| 14:35.06 | digmouse | mytos: yeah |
| 14:35.20 | digmouse | the ring is nano suit style |
| 14:35.31 | Fisker- | ~cartographer3 |
| 14:35.32 | purl | methinks cartographer3 is the successor to WoW addon Cartographer, acts similarly to google maps. Download at http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/ - Provide feedback at http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/tickets/. Video: http://www.vimeo.com/917523 |
| 14:35.56 | Mytos | seems like itd be a good way for me to get rid of some bindings and bars |
| 14:36.20 | digmouse | right, a good way to keep some not-used-much actions |
| 14:36.23 | cnc|work | Mytos: it's nice, but never ever bind it to ur mouse |
| 14:36.28 | Mytos | anybody picked apart the code yet and seen how buggy it really is |
| 14:36.34 | Mytos | whys taht cnc |
| 14:36.41 | cnc|work | because of the way it works |
| 14:36.44 | digmouse | i cant read them |
| 14:36.51 | cnc|work | if you click the button by accident u'll most probably trigger some action |
| 14:36.54 | cnc|work | which you usualy don't want |
| 14:37.19 | digmouse | so i bind it to Reclusa's L3 key |
| 14:37.58 | Mytos | meh, i run logitech, i rebind my mouse buttons to keyboard keys anyways, i dont think itd have a problem with that |
| 14:38.15 | Mytos | i mean really wtf do i need a coast forward button for |
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| 14:40.50 | digmouse | go get some PC gaming, tired of ace3 tutorials |
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| 14:48.05 | Mytos | stewie griffin is the greatest cartoon ever: discuss |
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| 14:49.49 | ZealotOnAStick | Mytos: DoTimer may suck in certain ways, but it's also still the best timer I've personally found as a Warlock for what I want to track and how I want to track it. |
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| 14:53.19 | CIA-44 | 03LordFarlander * r78236 10LibLordFarlander-2.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 14:53.19 | CIA-44 | LibLordFarlander-2.0: |
| 14:53.19 | CIA-44 | - Fixed several mount data, they had an extra | |
| 14:53.19 | CIA-44 | - Fixed when a button that is fading instead of hiding is shown, it fading again |
| 14:55.13 | Mytos | Zealot I was just trying to stir up a conversation i really have nothing against it |
| 14:57.50 | Mytos | is there a way to make macros that will equip closetgnome sets |
| 14:58.31 | durcyn | Mytos: yes |
| 14:58.39 | Mytos | how? |
| 14:59.50 | durcyn | the most obvious way would be to set a keybind for a particular set, then /run ClosetGnomeKeybindingFrame<key>:LeftButton |
| 15:00.09 | durcyn | hm, there might be a less dumb way, sec |
| 15:00.55 | durcyn | are you able to /run ClosetGnome:WearSet(set) ? |
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| 15:02.14 | Mytos | the short doesnt run, and im kinda running outta keybinds so itd probably just be better to macro the sets instead of using closetgnome that way |
| 15:02.47 | durcyn | WearSet should work. |
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| 15:04.03 | Andune | there are also a few ClosetGnome mods that can respond to certain events to automatically wear a set, if that's what you're trying to do |
| 15:05.32 | Mytos | wearset isnt working, and i know what you mean andune but thats not quite it, im messing opie and its got a default ring with closetgnome sets, but ive got alot of sets i dont always carry so iw anna see if i can make a few different rings for different sets |
| 15:05.42 | Mytos | Ie feral gear, resto gear, pvp sets |
| 15:05.51 | vhaarr_ | WearSet works fine, you're doing it wrong then. |
| 15:06.11 | durcyn | make sure you feed it a string |
| 15:06.18 | Mytos | im using the command he just posted |
| 15:06.26 | durcyn | i.e. enquote the set name |
| 15:06.27 | Mytos | feed it a string? |
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| 15:06.44 | durcyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.53 | Mytos | ok, i left out quotes my bad |
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| 15:17.05 | Kuja^ | ~seen toadkiller |
| 15:17.07 | purl | toadkiller <n=dnester@adsl-75-18-176-106.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 23d 20h 26m 33s ago, saying: 'Or is it a mirage and they should actually be my two posts and not some noob's posts?'. |
| 15:17.15 | Kuja^ | uh. |
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| 15:20.53 | ckknight | I need more hours in the day |
| 15:20.58 | ckknight | not enough time to do things |
| 15:21.12 | AckisWork | move to california? |
| 15:21.44 | profalbert | a day has 24 hours, and if that's not enough, there's always the night ;) |
| 15:22.10 | ckknight | yea, but work keeps me too busy, not enough time for other things :-P |
| 15:22.20 | CIA-44 | 03arith * r78237 10AtlasLoot/Constants/constants.tw.lua: |
| 15:22.20 | CIA-44 | AtlasLoot: |
| 15:22.20 | CIA-44 | - zhTW update |
| 15:22.27 | AckisWork | other things only take 30 seconds sheesh |
| 15:23.21 | durcyn | less if you don't wait for her to finish too, right Ackis |
| 15:23.35 | AckisWork | hah |
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| 15:34.17 | CIA-44 | YurrCombatLog: |
| 15:34.17 | CIA-44 | - small fix for honor gains |
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| 15:54.45 | Pkekyo| | http://www.inet.se/bilder/6301189/vikbart-silicontangentbord-usb---ps-2--svart.jpg |
| 15:54.45 | Pkekyo| | I need this...sooo badly |
| 15:58.20 | Fisker- | http://eu.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=221003132 <-EU STOCK >:O |
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| 16:01.43 | ZealotOnAStick | Pkekyo|: looks cool, but it's probably membrane keys, which I hate. |
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| 16:22.39 | Josh_Borke | Pkekyo|: that keyboard is terrible |
| 16:32.13 | Obelixprime | here's a vim question for you guys.. |
| 16:32.23 | Obelixprime | if i were to make a file from vim using :!make |
| 16:32.49 | Obelixprime | it brings up a new shell and performs the command, then returns back to vim, how do i acccess that shell output |
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| 16:34.40 | Pkekyo| | Josh_Borke: but atleast it'll save me the time of popping out all the keys and vacuuming the damn keyboard once every two months or so :p |
| 16:38.33 | Josh_Borke | Obelixprime: ctrl+z, make ;-) |
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| 16:49.09 | Pkekyo| | lmfao, on the "eye color" field on my passport, it says 'multicolored'...even the fuzz can't figure out what my eye color is :p |
| 16:50.39 | Obelixprime | :D thanks josh_borke :P :D |
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| 16:59.47 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78241 10AckisRecipeList/ (AckisRecipeList.lua AckisRecipeList.toc): |
| 16:59.47 | CIA-44 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 16:59.47 | CIA-44 | - Check to see if the scan button exists before trying to hide it. Possible fix for ticket 23. |
| 16:59.47 | CIA-44 | - Dry-coded (compiles w/ luac -p) |
| 17:00.23 | AckisWork | +1 |
| 17:00.55 | *** join/#wowace Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 17:01.14 | Funkeh` | done, finally |
| 17:01.15 | CIA-44 | 03funkydude * r78242 10StatBlock_Folks/ (. StatBlock_Folks.lua StatBlock_Folks.toc): StatBlock_Folks: Import, drycoded |
| 17:01.57 | Funkeh` | now I deserve some cake |
| 17:02.17 | AckisWork | +1 Funkeh` |
| 17:02.19 | ckknight | I want cake |
| 17:02.20 | Pkekyo| | the cake is a lie! |
| 17:02.26 | *** part/#wowace Pkekyo| (n=bsm89mod@062016163025.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 17:02.37 | Funkeh` | AckisWork, for the cake or it being drycoded? |
| 17:02.45 | AckisWork | drycoded |
| 17:02.51 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 17:03.00 | *** join/#wowace Pkekyo| (n=bsm89mod@062016163025.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 17:03.02 | AckisWork | :D |
| 17:03.11 | AckisWork | I'm still waiting for StatBlocks_Drycoded :P |
| 17:04.11 | DARKGuy | drycoded ? |
| 17:04.28 | DARKGuy | I'm waiting for an ARL_Drycoded :D |
| 17:04.40 | *** join/#wowace chiper (n=chiper@69.43.204.8) |
| 17:04.40 | AckisWork | ARL *is* drycoded! |
| 17:05.38 | profalbert | ~arl |
| 17:05.39 | purl | somebody said arl was a poorly named add-on (8% lame), 94% dry-coded developed by Ackis. Will tell you what recipes/beast skills you're missing however, and where to get them |
| 17:05.39 | NeoTron | yay. got my Loop of Forged Power crafted |
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| 17:06.03 | NeoTron | on the horde side. the main swp horde guild has gotten the pattern once and so far it doesn't exist on alliance. |
| 17:07.20 | ZealotOnAStick | not really an upgrade for my lock. |
| 17:07.29 | ZealotOnAStick | Waiting on M'uru ring. And trinket. And robe. |
| 17:08.34 | NeoTron | I needed the spell hit |
| 17:08.39 | NeoTron | I bet you got a skull or gul'dan |
| 17:08.56 | NeoTron | or heck perhaps the ZA ring |
| 17:09.43 | NeoTron | Number of bears I've seen distributed: 10+ Number of ZA caster rings: 0 Number of skulls total in 7+ months: 2, total of skulls on active players: 1 |
| 17:10.11 | nevcairiel | we had the caster ring in ZA last week *taunt* |
| 17:10.11 | NeoTron | total number of sta/resilience rings I've seen drop: 8 at least |
| 17:10.27 | NeoTron | RNG sucks |
| 17:10.34 | NeoTron | if thre is one thing I really hate in the game that is it |
| 17:10.43 | NeoTron | especially on such critical and unique items. |
| 17:11.01 | nevcairiel | its just your bad luck |
| 17:11.05 | nevcairiel | not the RNGs fault |
| 17:11.11 | NeoTron | What's worse, when it drops next it'll go to a Boomkin |
| 17:11.14 | NeoTron | and sure it is |
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| 17:11.20 | NeoTron | RNGs are made up to be "bad luck" |
| 17:11.35 | NeoTron | token drops (badges if you wish) => good predictable design |
| 17:11.48 | NeoTron | I'd say 60%+ of all gear should come from tier specific badges |
| 17:12.13 | NeoTron | the fact that 7 months later we still try to far the latter part of BT instead of working on SWP is bad design |
| 17:12.26 | CIA-44 | 03funkydude * r78243 10StatBlock_Folks/ (7 files in 2 dirs): StatBlock_Folks: svn stuff |
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| 17:17.21 | NeoTron | I core of the problem with pvp gear vs pve gear is that pvp gear is predictable and guaranteed while in the world of pve you might never see your drop happen |
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| 17:25.25 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78244 10AckisRecipeList/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:25.25 | CIA-44 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 17:25.25 | CIA-44 | - Make /arl open up the about panel by defaults |
| 17:25.25 | CIA-44 | - Attempt to localize the about panel somewhat (ie: about is localized), did a frFR and enUS |
| 17:25.25 | CIA-44 | - Added About to normal localizations so you can also do /arl about |
| 17:25.26 | CIA-44 | - Dry-coded (compiles w/ luac -p) |
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| 17:34.32 | NeoTron | got his Blizzard Authenticator. |
| 17:35.10 | Artmi | how does one get an authenticator anyway? |
| 17:35.14 | nevcairiel | i want one :( |
| 17:35.21 | Artmi | Can one purchase it? |
| 17:35.23 | nevcairiel | but i dont have a freaking credit card to buy one |
| 17:35.26 | NeoTron | Buy it from Blizzard before they sell out. |
| 17:35.29 | Artmi | oh |
| 17:35.35 | nevcairiel | accept paypal ffs |
| 17:35.35 | NeoTron | 7 bucks |
| 17:35.40 | Artmi | aye will order one on 25:th if they still have it |
| 17:35.45 | Artmi | 7 bucks is nothign! |
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| 17:36.14 | Artmi | Low on cash until payday :P |
| 17:36.32 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 17:36.51 | NeoTron | I figured with the guild bank access in addition to my personal stuff, it is very much well worth it |
| 17:36.53 | nevcairiel | I hope they start accepting paypal or even charing it onto my WoW Account |
| 17:37.01 | nevcairiel | *charging |
| 17:37.06 | Artmi | paypal should be accepted though, i agree, it's a great way of payment |
| 17:37.11 | Artmi | alot more secure then my credit card |
| 17:37.16 | Artmi | or anyone elses credit card for that matter |
| 17:37.36 | Artmi | And used by most online stores as well |
| 17:38.21 | nevcairiel | yeah also we generally never need credit cards here, everyone in offline world accepts their electronic cash card from our banks, or paypal on the internet .. its stupid :P |
| 17:38.23 | nevcairiel | so i never got one |
| 17:39.05 | CIA-44 | 03ominous * r78245 10ClassTimer/ClassTimer.lua: ClassTimer: Fix timetext issue |
| 17:39.30 | NeoTron | silly European! |
| 17:39.53 | NeoTron | I think when I lived in Sweden although not a credit card, my bank card was a debit VISA card |
| 17:40.14 | NeoTron | credit cards however wasn't something most people had |
| 17:41.38 | NivFreak | I had a hell of a time finding ATMs that worked with my Bank of America debit card when I was there |
| 17:41.43 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 17:42.00 | nevcairiel | yeah our cars are accepted all over europe at ATMs |
| 17:42.07 | nevcairiel | never travelled out of europe, though |
| 17:42.22 | Kalroth | vroom vroom! |
| 17:42.23 | Tekkub | Sca vi ha sechs glocken sechs? (yes I butchered thespelling I'm sure) |
| 17:42.27 | NeoTron | debit only cards is a very non-american concept in the very least |
| 17:42.44 | NivFreak | hrm? |
| 17:42.49 | NivFreak | how so |
| 17:42.51 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: btw, I thought you couldn't buy the device outside of the US anyway, not even Canada? |
| 17:42.58 | NivFreak | oh, yea mean without visa/MC endorcement |
| 17:43.20 | NivFreak | s/yea/you/ |
| 17:43.22 | NeoTron | because US is pretty nmuch exclusively using visa/mc/amex/discover cards (in order of commonality) |
| 17:43.33 | NivFreak | don't forget dinner club! |
| 17:43.35 | NeoTron | right. I have a debit card, but it's primarily a visa card |
| 17:43.37 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: we have a special eu blizzard store :P |
| 17:43.50 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: it's available in the EU? I thought it wasn't for some reason |
| 17:43.51 | NivFreak | yea, all my debit cards are visa or mastercard |
| 17:43.56 | NivFreak | I have one of each credit card |
| 17:44.06 | NivFreak | I had issues using my visa CC in some countries |
| 17:44.11 | nevcairiel | it just became available this week |
| 17:44.25 | NivFreak | they apparently weren't everywhere I wanted to be |
| 17:44.32 | NeoTron | from a European store standard, it's weird not to support credit card alternatives |
| 17:44.46 | NeoTron | at the very least they should support echeck and/or debit cards |
| 17:44.49 | Kuosi | yeah |
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| 17:45.02 | nevcairiel | internation online sharps rarely support debit cards |
| 17:45.08 | nevcairiel | s/sharps/shops/ |
| 17:45.09 | NeoTron | although I understand why they don't. echeck/ach is one of the worst payment instruments to work with |
| 17:45.19 | *** part/#wowace fdgdgdfg (n=chatzill@aasr59.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 17:45.35 | NeoTron | works in the payment processing group at Amazon.com. |
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| 17:45.37 | Kuosi | dunno how many countries support visa electron |
| 17:45.43 | AckisWork | lua> foo = nil; foo1="Bar";return (foo or foo1) |
| 17:45.44 | lua_bot | AckisWork: Bar |
| 17:45.49 | NeoTron | before I joined this group I had no idea what a convulated mess payment processing is |
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| 17:45.54 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Nechckn] by ChanServ |
| 17:46.22 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78246 10AckisRecipeList/ (AboutPanel.lua AckisRecipeList.toc): |
| 17:46.22 | CIA-44 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 17:46.22 | CIA-44 | - ToC update |
| 17:46.22 | CIA-44 | - Documented AboutPanel |
| 17:46.22 | CIA-44 | - More localization stuff in the AboutPanel |
| 17:46.22 | CIA-44 | - Dry-coded (compiles w/ luac -p) |
| 17:46.34 | nevcairiel | if its a german-only shop they generally offer ELV .. which is only a german concept i guess, never heard of it in other countrys. You just give them your account details, and they withdraw money from there directly |
| 17:46.42 | nevcairiel | wow account payments support that |
| 17:47.09 | Megalon | nevcairiel: and austria :P |
| 17:48.06 | nevcairiel | those guys copy us anyway |
| 17:48.08 | NivFreak | wow subsciprtions can be paid via paypal in the US at least, but I don't think you can use it for the store |
| 17:51.41 | Gnarfoz | <NeoTron> nevcairiel: it's available in the EU? I thought it wasn't for some reason <-- misinterpretation: the US store doesn't deliver anywhere but the US. there's a EU store, too, though ;) |
| 17:52.48 | Fisker- | hey nevcairiel |
| 17:52.51 | Fisker- | you can just give me your money |
| 17:52.55 | Fisker- | and i'll buy it |
| 17:52.55 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 17:52.58 | Fisker- | :D |
| 17:53.09 | Fisker- | i'm completely trustworthy and what not |
| 17:53.56 | AckisWork | no yo uaren't |
| 17:54.07 | Gnarfoz | There has been an error processing your request. |
| 17:54.08 | Gnarfoz | >_< |
| 17:54.08 | Fisker- | yes i am :( |
| 17:54.16 | Gnarfoz | blizzzzzard fails at useful error messages |
| 17:54.22 | NivFreak | duh |
| 17:55.23 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78247 10AckisRecipeList/ (11 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:55.23 | CIA-44 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 17:55.23 | CIA-44 | - Add a few comments to localization files |
| 17:55.23 | CIA-44 | - Removed a few unneeded localizations |
| 17:55.24 | CIA-44 | - Dry-coded (compiles w/ luac -p) |
| 17:55.33 | AckisWork | at least ARL is getting some updates today heh.. nothing substantial but some house keeping crap :P |
| 17:56.15 | Stanzilla | house keeps AckisWork |
| 17:56.23 | AckisWork | mmm hot |
| 17:57.36 | Fisker- | nah Gnarfoz |
| 17:57.40 | Fisker- | that is self explanatory |
| 17:57.44 | Fisker- | "Stuff happened, gtfo" |
| 17:57.53 | Fisker- | how can it be any better? |
| 17:58.11 | Gnarfoz | like "don't try again, it's our fault anyway" |
| 18:03.30 | Fisker- | so Gnarfoz ordering an authenticator in teh EU? |
| 18:03.44 | Gnarfoz | tried to, it failed |
| 18:03.49 | Fisker- | try again |
| 18:04.39 | nevcairiel | i have to wait until they support alternative payment or i actually get a credit card :P |
| 18:04.54 | Fisker- | or give me your money |
| 18:04.54 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 18:05.04 | Kuosi | I could actually get credit card but never saw a reason to get one :o |
| 18:05.06 | Dashkal | Boo: "This product can only be shipped to the United States." (on the us site) |
| 18:05.08 | Fisker- | but why don't you have a credit or atleast a debit card? |
| 18:05.19 | Fisker- | duh Dashkal? |
| 18:05.21 | Gnarfoz | because this is not the US |
| 18:05.26 | Dashkal | I'm canadian |
| 18:05.29 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 18:05.29 | Gnarfoz | you don't usually have or need credit cards |
| 18:05.46 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: there's always www.gebuehrenfrei.com ^^ |
| 18:05.59 | nevcairiel | I think i even could get a free cc from my bank |
| 18:06.07 | Gnarfoz | that, too, probably |
| 18:06.34 | Kuosi | visa costs like 1.5euros per month here |
| 18:06.43 | Gnarfoz | totally depends on your bank etc |
| 18:07.15 | Kuosi | think visa is somewhat standard in finland |
| 18:07.17 | Kuosi | the price |
| 18:07.28 | Dashkal | You pay per month? O.o |
| 18:07.37 | Kuosi | the jr version "electron" is free in some banks |
| 18:07.39 | Dashkal | The only perodic fees I have I chose for the bonuses I got for them... |
| 18:07.41 | nevcairiel | mine would be a simple master card |
| 18:07.44 | Kuosi | ye its monthly cost |
| 18:07.54 | nevcairiel | if i botherd to get one |
| 18:13.46 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 18:13.55 | nevcairiel | so i can get a free one directly from my bank apparently |
| 18:13.58 | nevcairiel | no extra costs |
| 18:14.12 | nevcairiel | VISA or Master Card? |
| 18:14.41 | NivFreak | it's the same company really |
| 18:14.43 | sb | mh i think it doesnt matter |
| 18:15.00 | NivFreak | Visa is more common in the US, but I had issues with my visa in a few countries in europe |
| 18:15.04 | NivFreak | no freaking idea why |
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| 18:18.30 | Cheads | visa is most common card in europe too |
| 18:18.36 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: visa is more common |
| 18:18.56 | NeoTron | both both should be just as usable since they have similar market share |
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| 18:22.45 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78248 10AckisRecipeList/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 18:22.45 | CIA-44 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 18:22.45 | CIA-44 | - If a trade/craft window is open already, don't put the button on the new window. Will also spit out a message telling you to close the old window and re-open the new one. Should fix ticket 3. |
| 18:22.45 | CIA-44 | - New localization L["TwoCraftingWindows"] |
| 18:22.45 | CIA-44 | - Dry-coded (compiles w/ luac -p) |
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| 18:25.39 | Wraithan | Anyone know of a good client for MPD for windows? |
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| 18:40.56 | AckisWork | lua> local foo = {["aaaa"] = true, ["bbbbb"] = true, ["aaabbb"] = true};for name,display in pairs(foo) do if (not string.find(name,x)) then foo[name]=false end end;for name,display in pairs(foo) do if display then print name end end |
| 18:40.56 | lua_bot | AckisWork: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'name' |
| 18:44.10 | AckisWork | lua> local foo = {["aaaa"] = true, ["bbbbb"] = true, ["aaabbb"] = true};for name,display in pairs(foo) do if (not string.find(name,"a")) then foo[name]=false end end;for name,display in pairs(foo) do if display then print(name) end end |
| 18:44.10 | lua_bot | AckisWork: aaaa, aaabbb |
| 18:44.18 | AckisWork | lua> local foo = {["aaaa"] = true, ["bbbbb"] = true, ["aaabbb"] = true};for name,display in pairs(foo) do if (not string.find(name,"c")) then foo[name]=false end end;for name,display in pairs(foo) do if display then print(name) end end |
| 18:44.18 | lua_bot | AckisWork: No output |
| 18:44.34 | AckisWork | ok, is that the way to do search functions (kinda) or is there something a lot easier? |
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| 18:53.54 | Pkekyo| | lolwut...this chick's cat got a bigger bed than I have o.O' |
| 18:57.21 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78249 10AckisRecipeList/ (AckisRecipeList.lua AckisRecipeList.toc): |
| 18:57.21 | CIA-44 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 18:57.21 | CIA-44 | - Add initial search functions. Cannot be accessed at all, for use with new GUI. |
| 18:57.21 | CIA-44 | - Dry-coded (compiles w/ luac -p) |
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| 19:16.28 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78250 10AckisRecipeList/ (AckisRecipeList.lua AckisRecipeList.toc): |
| 19:16.28 | CIA-44 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 19:16.28 | CIA-44 | - Add initial filtering functions for individual patterns. Cannot be accessed at all, for use with new GUI. |
| 19:16.28 | CIA-44 | - Dry-coded (compiles w/ luac -p) |
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| 19:27.47 | CIA-44 | 03trasher * r78251 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ARLLocals-frFR.lua: |
| 19:27.47 | CIA-44 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 19:27.47 | CIA-44 | - frFR update |
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| 19:36.25 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78252 10AltTabber/ (AboutPanel.lua AltTabber.lua AltTabber.toc): |
| 19:36.25 | CIA-44 | AltTabber: |
| 19:36.25 | CIA-44 | - Added AboutPanel |
| 19:36.26 | CIA-44 | - Dry-coded (compiles w/ luac -p) |
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| 19:40.31 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78253 10Querier/ (AboutPanel.lua Querier.lua Querier.toc): |
| 19:40.31 | CIA-44 | Querier: |
| 19:40.31 | CIA-44 | - Added AboutPanel |
| 19:40.31 | CIA-44 | - Dry-coded (compiles w/ luac -p) |
| 19:42.50 | Stanzilla | do you have file open where you copypaste that sentence from, AckisWork? :P |
| 19:44.00 | AckisWork | which one? :P |
| 19:44.03 | AckisWork | (and yes) |
| 19:44.08 | Zhinjio | Hey Ackis. |
| 19:44.22 | AckisWork | allo Zhinjio |
| 19:44.39 | Zhinjio | diving back into my code this weekend, for reference. |
| 19:45.33 | AckisWork | sweet :) |
| 19:45.38 | AckisWork | haven't seen much of you lately :( |
| 19:45.51 | Zhinjio | Yeah, been busy. |
| 19:46.29 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78254 10TIRaid/ (AboutPanel.lua TIRaid.lua TIRaid.toc): |
| 19:46.30 | CIA-44 | TIRaid: |
| 19:46.30 | CIA-44 | - Few line tweaks to attendance, hopefully help Annax |
| 19:46.30 | CIA-44 | - Dry-coded (compiles w/ luca -p) |
| 19:46.49 | AckisWork | wow way to update the commit note on that one heh |
| 19:46.51 | AckisWork | fails |
| 19:47.21 | NeoTron | do you have a pre-commit hook that adds the dry-coded message? |
| 19:47.57 | AckisWork | no |
| 19:48.03 | AckisWork | I just have commit.txt which I leave it in |
| 19:50.39 | NeoTron | nice. Warhammer online cuts out 4 out of 6 capital cities and 4 classes to make their launch deadline |
| 19:50.46 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 19:50.46 | NeoTron | smells "failure" from far away |
| 19:50.48 | Fisker- | owned by EA |
| 19:51.15 | NeoTron | I guess no one understands the secret of a successful MMO except Blizzard.. |
| 19:52.12 | NivFreak | I think the main problem is, there's not a ton you can change from blizzard's model without making it suck to the audience that wow appeals too |
| 19:52.19 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78255 10WelfareEpics/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 19:52.19 | CIA-44 | WelfareEpics: |
| 19:52.19 | CIA-44 | - Added AboutPanel |
| 19:52.19 | CIA-44 | - Dry-coded (compiles w/ luac -p) |
| 19:52.36 | Artmi | haha WelfareEpics :P |
| 19:54.25 | NeoTron | NivFreak: well making something polished and with a good amount of content is a good start |
| 19:55.59 | NivFreak | the only thing I'd like to see blizzard change is more rapid content development, and removing the need to farm old content ;) |
| 19:56.13 | Zhinjio | NivFreak: I'm targetting next Friday release for all the bugfixes + your requests |
| 19:56.19 | NivFreak | the fact that I'm going to have to spend months farming tier6 to kill brutalus... |
| 19:56.25 | NivFreak | Zhinjio: awesome |
| 19:56.28 | NivFreak | want a beta tester? |
| 19:56.28 | NivFreak | :P |
| 19:56.41 | NivFreak | I'm guessing it's not in ace svn? |
| 19:56.48 | Zhinjio | nothing yet, no |
| 19:57.00 | Zhinjio | I do my dev in branches, but I haven't pushed in a bit |
| 19:57.15 | NivFreak | k |
| 19:57.23 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78256 10BigWigs_KalecgosHealth/BigWigs_KalecgosHealth.toc: |
| 19:57.23 | CIA-44 | BigWigs_KalecgosHealth: |
| 19:57.23 | CIA-44 | - ToC Update |
| 19:57.23 | CIA-44 | - Dry-coded (compiles w/ luac -p) |
| 19:57.49 | AckisWork | NivFreak: quit it, he can't work on ARL then :P |
| 19:58.18 | NivFreak | AckisWork: I'll cut you |
| 19:58.30 | NivFreak | broken ARL will not cause any guild drama |
| 19:58.33 | NivFreak | broken SKG does |
| 19:58.39 | NivFreak | SKG > ARL :P |
| 19:58.44 | AckisWork | neg |
| 19:58.48 | AckisWork | :P |
| 19:58.54 | NivFreak | gets out a knife |
| 19:58.59 | DARKGuy | is now playing: Nyhm - Just Loot It |
| 19:59.04 | sb | ah, blizzard authenticators available again |
| 19:59.05 | sb | *order* |
| 19:59.21 | DARKGuy | lols at blizzard authenticators. |
| 19:59.30 | sb | why? |
| 19:59.37 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78257 10TIRaid/TIRaid.toc: |
| 19:59.37 | CIA-44 | TIRaid: |
| 19:59.37 | CIA-44 | - Added AboutPanel in last commit |
| 19:59.37 | CIA-44 | - Updated ToC |
| 19:59.37 | CIA-44 | - Dry-coded (compiles w/ luca -p) |
| 19:59.54 | DARKGuy | I don't consider anything safe unless it's at my own home. |
| 19:59.55 | sacarasc | when you say "dry-coded" what do you mean? |
| 19:59.55 | AckisWork | ok done w/ those commits :P |
| 19:59.58 | NivFreak | I've never had a keylogger or even a virus for that matter, but I still ordered one for my main account |
| 20:00.03 | AckisWork | ~drycoded |
| 20:00.04 | purl | [drycoded] Coding an add-on without testing the changes. |
| 20:00.12 | NivFreak | since I'm GM for my guild, I'm concerned with the havok they could do... |
| 20:00.13 | sb | NivFreak: same here |
| 20:00.16 | sb | yup... |
| 20:00.20 | Dashkal | DARKGuy: It doesn't make you "safe" or "immune". It makes you safER |
| 20:00.34 | AckisWork | I won't get one because other people can't use my account then :P |
| 20:00.34 | NivFreak | this week one of our top guild's GMs was hacked |
| 20:00.36 | DARKGuy | Dashkal: safer from what? keyloggers? |
| 20:00.38 | NivFreak | he's in the same boat as me |
| 20:00.39 | Dashkal | Yes |
| 20:00.40 | sb | 70k gold, all those guild bank stuff - and 6eur is okay |
| 20:00.41 | NivFreak | never had any issues |
| 20:00.45 | NivFreak | they cleared the gbank |
| 20:00.52 | DARKGuy | Then don't play outside home, or in PCs you know :P |
| 20:00.55 | Dashkal | It is _much_ more difficult to keylog now (not even close to impossible) just harder |
| 20:00.55 | sb | and yes, you can get your stuff back - but its a lot of work... |
| 20:01.06 | sb | and its some nice gadget ;) |
| 20:01.06 | Dashkal | DARKGuy: remote exploit found in your OS |
| 20:01.11 | NivFreak | the point is keylogging doesn't matter |
| 20:01.14 | NivFreak | it's a one time key |
| 20:01.16 | sb | (i think thats the main reason to buy it) |
| 20:01.19 | NivFreak | valid for 15 mins |
| 20:01.26 | sb | 15min? |
| 20:01.32 | sb | i thiknk its more like 40s |
| 20:01.33 | Dashkal | DARKGuy: Don't ever make the mistake of assuming you're immune to a network-based attack unless you aren't on a network. |
| 20:01.33 | NivFreak | iirc |
| 20:01.40 | Zhinjio | NivFreak: ordered one of what? |
| 20:01.44 | DARKGuy | Dashkal: true :P |
| 20:01.48 | NivFreak | Zhinjio: blizzard authenticator |
| 20:01.53 | Zhinjio | hmm |
| 20:01.59 | Zhinjio | haven't heard about this |
| 20:02.00 | sb | Zhinjio: http://eu.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=221003132 |
| 20:02.02 | Dashkal | But it's less than a month's subscription to seriously beef up your resistance to keyloggers |
| 20:02.20 | Zhinjio | hahahaha |
| 20:02.20 | DARKGuy | Well, considering the account costs money, the BA is a good thing. |
| 20:02.20 | Zhinjio | nice |
| 20:02.23 | Dashkal | Not immune, however. I've already seen descriptions of ways to attack them |
| 20:02.26 | Zhinjio | I have one of those for paypal. |
| 20:02.41 | _rane | being technically competent is the best resistance against keyloggers.. |
| 20:02.41 | Dashkal | Crash your client just after you type the auth code and login immediately. |
| 20:02.43 | NivFreak | Dashkal: everyone knows that shit can't be immune, give it a rest |
| 20:02.54 | Zhinjio | does it also work on US servers or no? |
| 20:02.58 | NivFreak | this is a very solid step though |
| 20:03.02 | NivFreak | Zhinjio: yes |
| 20:03.03 | sb | uhm ofc, there is also us shop |
| 20:03.04 | Dashkal | NivFreak: Agreed. |
| 20:03.16 | Zhinjio | I'd consider it, then. Hmm. |
| 20:03.19 | Zhinjio | Worth thinking about. |
| 20:03.33 | Dashkal | Sadly, not 'everybody'. Been fighting off "Oh yes I'm immune to keyloggers forever" since the damn thing was announced |
| 20:03.37 | sb | Zhinjio: http://blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100000182 |
| 20:03.53 | NivFreak | Dashkal: the point is, the key logging is useless |
| 20:04.05 | NivFreak | until they start faxing fake ids to blizzard to get your account |
| 20:04.15 | Fisker- | but Dashkal i am immune to keyloggars forevar |
| 20:04.36 | Dashkal | or they just hijack your login immediately. dump the gold and run before you figure out why your wow client crashed on login |
| 20:04.55 | Dashkal | Fisker-: I have a bridge to sell you you might be interested in |
| 20:05.15 | Fisker- | how do you figure they will "hijack your login immediately"? |
| 20:07.03 | Dashkal | Fisker- They keylogger would log the auth number you just typed. It sends that number to another machine and immediately crashes your client. The other machine logs in immediately (it only has the minute window). They're now in. Cannot get _back_ in, but they're in until the victim logs in again. |
| 20:07.44 | Fisker- | Proof of concept or gtfo |
| 20:08.18 | Dashkal | Never said it was easy :p |
| 20:08.53 | Fisker- | You could just as well say that they would just break into your house and steal your token |
| 20:08.54 | sb | well - it adds some security and is a nice gadget - and its cheap ;) |
| 20:08.57 | *** join/#wowace MysticalOS (n=Myst@h60.115.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 20:08.58 | sb | so no problem here :p |
| 20:09.03 | Fisker- | and kill you so you don't remove it from the account management |
| 20:09.03 | Fisker- | also |
| 20:09.08 | Fisker- | they'd murder your family |
| 20:09.15 | Dashkal | Fisker-: It isn't that hard either. Crashing a second process is simple, sending a number as soon as it's typed is also simple |
| 20:09.15 | Fisker- | and cut your internet cables up |
| 20:09.32 | Dashkal | It's just the timing that's hard. You don't get much of a window. |
| 20:10.06 | *** join/#wowace Saiek (i=Saiek@c-69-245-192-208.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 20:10.11 | Fisker- | But when you kill a process Windows will still let it do some stuff first |
| 20:10.11 | sb | is that key one-time? |
| 20:10.26 | Fisker- | It's not before the process hangs it'll actually kill it |
| 20:10.29 | Dashkal | sb: It's time based. The fob has a clock in it |
| 20:10.44 | Dashkal | Fisker-: tweak it's memory and cause it to segfault |
| 20:10.59 | sb | hm okay - so it doesnt get invalid on login? |
| 20:11.06 | Dashkal | sb: I think it does become invalid |
| 20:11.14 | Dashkal | the idea is to crash the client to keep it from using the key |
| 20:11.21 | sb | hmyop |
| 20:11.27 | sb | timing is pretty hard then :p |
| 20:11.30 | Dashkal | oh yes |
| 20:12.10 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78258 10WelfareEpics/WelfareEpics.toc: |
| 20:12.10 | CIA-44 | WelfareEpics: |
| 20:12.10 | CIA-44 | - Added feedback link |
| 20:12.10 | CIA-44 | - Dry-coded (compiles w/ luac -p) |
| 20:12.19 | Arrowmaster | it is one time, once its used you cant login with that key again and need to wait for it to generate a new one |
| 20:12.23 | Dashkal | Regardless. I want one |
| 20:12.36 | Dashkal | More protection is always good, and this is a solid layer |
| 20:12.42 | *** join/#wowace Tem|laptop (n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem) |
| 20:12.42 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Tem|laptop] by ChanServ |
| 20:13.11 | Gnarfoz | AckisWork: you fucked it up :( |
| 20:13.21 | Fisker- | It really is very unlikely it is possible |
| 20:13.29 | Fisker- | Well in theory it's possible |
| 20:13.31 | Dashkal | Fisker-: erm? I just described in detail how to do it |
| 20:13.41 | AckisWork | Gnarfoz: what? |
| 20:13.45 | Fisker- | Just like it's possible for them to break into your home |
| 20:13.48 | Fisker- | kill you and steal the token |
| 20:13.58 | Fisker- | I just described in detail how to do that as well |
| 20:13.59 | Dashkal | Fisker-: Methinks the code I described might be a lil simpler |
| 20:14.06 | *** join/#wowace iNs|Renew (n=mronlin@207.66.7.17) |
| 20:14.10 | Gnarfoz | AckisWork: ARL, http://ace.pastey.net/91170 |
| 20:14.13 | Dashkal | erm, no might about it. I just don't know what system hooks to use |
| 20:14.18 | Fisker- | It may be simpler, but the result is likewise |
| 20:14.37 | Fisker- | You don't take into effect that they'll have to monitor it 24/7 |
| 20:14.39 | Dashkal | Point is an enhanced keylogger can be written to do it. And that only needs to happen once |
| 20:14.52 | Dashkal | Computers don't sleep? |
| 20:15.00 | Fisker- | and not accounting for latency, as well as transmission over http/smtp you have to enter those account details + the pin code |
| 20:15.05 | Dashkal | Who says a human has to ever be involved? |
| 20:15.23 | *** join/#wowace charon (n=thomas@77-56-223-244.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 20:15.28 | Arrowmaster | so yeah if somebody did create a keylogger that captured the key and sent it off right away it would have to prevent you from completing the login with blizzard and then would have to login within probably a 90 second window and wouldnt be able to login again until it got another keycode |
| 20:15.33 | Dashkal | send credentials, bot computer immediately logs in and executes its script |
| 20:15.34 | Fisker- | Because then it would only be logged in |
| 20:15.46 | Fisker- | And then it would autodisconnect after 15 minutes or so |
| 20:15.48 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: Preventing you from using the code is simple, cause wow to crash |
| 20:16.23 | Fisker- | Well as earlier said it's possible to circumvent that |
| 20:16.24 | Dashkal | Fisker-: So bot wow itself to do its thing. Doesn't need a human |
| 20:16.38 | Dashkal | Fisker-: Not much a process can do when the kernel terminates it |
| 20:16.49 | Fisker- | Yeah with ever changing characters, multiple locations, etc. |
| 20:17.03 | Fisker- | Botting is only good for killing stuff, not retrieving it and sharding it |
| 20:17.21 | Dashkal | Or ring a loud alarm whenever someone is successfully hacked and a small crew handles it? |
| 20:17.32 | Fisker- | Dashkal even when the kernel terminates it, the error report tool will pop up |
| 20:17.44 | Dashkal | Fisker-: So kill the report tool? |
| 20:17.50 | Fisker- | Yeah |
| 20:17.58 | Fisker- | And go kill the person who has the authenticator and steal it |
| 20:18.00 | Dashkal | The attacker has hostile code running on your system |
| 20:18.13 | Dashkal | And windows has no local security to speak of |
| 20:18.21 | Arrowmaster | really its an effort vs reward thing |
| 20:18.28 | Fisker- | exactly Arrowmaster |
| 20:18.28 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: That's what I'm banking on |
| 20:18.35 | Dashkal | Problem is most of this is one-time effort for over time reward |
| 20:18.43 | Arrowmaster | too much effort to do this when really most people wont have one |
| 20:18.45 | Dashkal | Do the job once and it's done |
| 20:18.46 | Fisker- | Effort is in the "Traveling to the guys house and killing him, then stealing his authenticator" |
| 20:18.53 | Fisker- | range |
| 20:19.13 | Dashkal | Fisker-: Reward in your case is one hacked account. Reward for the one I described is a better keylogger that gets anybody the old one did |
| 20:19.32 | VonhintenHOME` | They already have flags in place for when an account is logged in from one spot and then logged in from another spot the person physically couldn't be in at the same time |
| 20:19.43 | Dashkal | If you think nobody anywhere will bother, look at your spam folder |
| 20:20.17 | Arrowmaster | VonhintenHOME`: except the only way this would work is to prevent it from ever logging in on the infected computer |
| 20:20.18 | Fisker- | I don't know if anyone will bother, but it'll be pratically impossible |
| 20:20.19 | Dashkal | VonhintenHOME`: The attack I described keeps the first person from ever logging in in the first place |
| 20:20.27 | Arrowmaster | which also makes the presense known right away |
| 20:20.41 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: Joe user isn't going to understand that that specific crash was hostile |
| 20:20.48 | VonhintenHOME` | Dashkal, ok, well, always enter incorrect info the first time you log in :) |
| 20:20.48 | Fisker- | I am unsure that it would be possible |
| 20:20.53 | Fisker- | Well of course it would be possible |
| 20:20.59 | Dashkal | VonhintenHOME`: lol |
| 20:21.00 | Fisker- | but then it's a whole different case |
| 20:21.01 | VonhintenHOME` | See how far it lets you in, then try again :) |
| 20:21.15 | Dashkal | VonhintenHOME`: If I didn't trust the machine, I wouldn't login to begin with :p |
| 20:21.20 | Fisker- | Because as far as i know the login is executed before asking for the token |
| 20:21.27 | Fisker- | So to ask for the token they'll have to let it login |
| 20:21.36 | VonhintenHOME` | Good point |
| 20:21.37 | Fisker- | or they'll have to make a program that also takes that into consideration |
| 20:21.45 | Dashkal | Fisker-: But it doesn't complete. Or just tweak the memory and send an incorrect token |
| 20:21.53 | Fisker- | That doesn't matter |
| 20:21.59 | Dashkal | It'll fail the real login |
| 20:22.02 | Fisker- | It doesn't change the fact that a login request has been sent |
| 20:22.04 | Dashkal | and won't kill the token |
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| 20:22.52 | Arrowmaster | truely the only way for real security is hardware based encryption that cant be effected by software |
| 20:23.15 | Dashkal | yep, it would take a special purpose network card |
| 20:23.22 | Arrowmaster | not really |
| 20:23.25 | VonhintenHOME` | http://www.massively.com/2008/07/11/mark-jacobs-announces-major-features-cut-from-warhammer-online/ |
| 20:23.32 | sb | lol |
| 20:23.34 | sb | WAR :p |
| 20:23.37 | Dashkal | software can tweak the data stream going through the network card :p |
| 20:24.23 | sb | mhh that key has to be created server-side - right? to compare it to your 'local' key |
| 20:24.47 | sb | so why not creating the key after successful login and only allow login from that ip |
| 20:24.53 | Arrowmaster | the keyfob thingy? |
| 20:24.56 | sb | yop |
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| 20:25.13 | Arrowmaster | well i dont have one so i have no clue how the login works with one |
| 20:25.14 | sb | so you have to enter your token after successful login |
| 20:25.15 | Dashkal | sb: the fob has no communication with the server |
| 20:25.19 | sb | yup i know |
| 20:25.30 | Dashkal | It just generates numbers as a function of the time and the private crypto key |
| 20:25.33 | sb | but if server restricts login to the login ip |
| 20:25.56 | Dashkal | That'll open users up to a nasty denial of service attack |
| 20:25.59 | sb | either the real user or the keylogger master wont get to the token-screen |
| 20:26.02 | Fisker- | They could easily make some logic that compensated for it sb |
| 20:26.15 | sb | if user cant get to token screen = no token entered |
| 20:26.26 | sb | if keylogmaster cant get to token screen = no threat at all |
| 20:26.28 | Zhinjio | user ip address is not a valid method of restricting access |
| 20:26.43 | Zhinjio | hmm,lemme rephrase. |
| 20:26.43 | sb | but it adds some security to that token system |
| 20:26.45 | Arrowmaster | it is for short periods of time |
| 20:26.49 | Zhinjio | its not a PRACTICAL method. |
| 20:26.50 | Fisker- | Dashkal back in the b.net days they had a protection against bruteforcing |
| 20:26.53 | Dashkal | Zhinjio: His idea has some merit. The idea is to ip lock temporarally for the duration of the window |
| 20:27.06 | Fisker- | i.e. locking out authentication requests for x^n seconds |
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| 20:27.39 | Fisker- | So after a couple of times you'd basically have to wait minutes before your next authentication request |
| 20:27.40 | Arrowmaster | but only after a sucessful login with a correct password |
| 20:27.54 | Dashkal | So even if the logger manages to nab the token, it'll be useless except from the computer that started the login transaction |
| 20:27.54 | Zhinjio | so... my mother in law (who plays) calls me and tell me login to her account with the token number she just gave me to go through her bank for her and throw away all the shit she collects that she doesn't need and can't figure out for herself. |
| 20:27.58 | sb | just to be sure that token auth and standard key/password auth are sent from the same client - and some hacker cant get to your token if you cant login |
| 20:28.11 | oloffol | is there a DogTag which makes a number, for example 10000, display like "10,000"? |
| 20:28.12 | sb | Dashkal: yep |
| 20:28.14 | Fisker- | can't do that unless the token is connected? |
| 20:28.14 | Zhinjio | that method would lock me out |
| 20:28.32 | Arrowmaster | Zhinjio: no it wouldnt |
| 20:28.34 | Zhinjio | even though she is on the phone with me giving me her token. |
| 20:28.42 | sb | Fisker-: why? |
| 20:28.43 | Dashkal | Zhinjio: if and only if your mother in law logged in and was looking at the token screen when she called |
| 20:28.49 | Zhinjio | how so? She was just logged in. |
| 20:29.13 | Arrowmaster | the tokens have a time delay anyway |
| 20:29.19 | Fisker- | sb how are you going to verify that the token's request originate from the same place as the user? |
| 20:29.28 | Dashkal | sb's idea is to ask for the token key as part of a login transaction. Once you enter your username ans password you open the transaction and blizzard locks logins down to your IP for the duration of that transaction |
| 20:29.35 | Zhinjio | yes, generally +/- 60 seconds on either side of the valid window |
| 20:29.58 | Dashkal | entering the valid token closes that transaction |
| 20:30.03 | Dashkal | expires the token, and in you go |
| 20:30.03 | Zhinjio | ah, so as long as she exits the login screen and waits (some number) of seconds to call me ... I can get in |
| 20:30.08 | Dashkal | no |
| 20:30.11 | Dashkal | cause then the token will be invalid |
| 20:30.26 | Dashkal | token is a function of the crypto key and the current time (the fob has a clock) |
| 20:30.29 | Zhinjio | well, I mean, with the token she provides when she calls me. |
| 20:30.42 | Arrowmaster | they only generate a new key probably every 30 seconds and since you can only use a key once you can only login once every 30 seconds although the server should accept keys +/- 90 seconds due to time drift |
| 20:30.42 | Zhinjio | I know. I've both used them and worked on the technology end of them. |
| 20:31.17 | Dashkal | as long as the IP lockout is long enough to make the token they lifted invalid, it's good enough |
| 20:31.23 | Zhinjio | cries at too many hours doing SecurID server installs. |
| 20:31.27 | Arrowmaster | you could call somebody while you have the token and ask them to login for you without even being near a computer |
| 20:31.29 | Dashkal | and authorizing someone else is a matter of pressing the button when the authorized third party logs in |
| 20:31.34 | Zhinjio | yeah, I'd agree with that. |
| 20:32.01 | Arrowmaster | actually the button on the blizzard fob is probably just a backlight |
| 20:32.16 | Zhinjio | sorry if I hijacked into the middle of that. I didn't see the initial part of hte conversation. |
| 20:32.17 | Dashkal | probably, but replace "press button" with "get current token" |
| 20:32.54 | Dashkal | Zhinjio: The idea is a way to defeat the attack of keylogging the token itself, crashing the client, sending the token/login/password elsewhere, and logging in before the window expires |
| 20:33.10 | Zhinjio | yup, saw that. |
| 20:33.13 | Zhinjio | that would work |
| 20:33.19 | Dashkal | Actually, I really like that idea :p |
| 20:33.33 | Dashkal | sb: go post that somewhere blizz will see :) |
| 20:33.45 | Zhinjio | on the paypal fob (which never made it out of beta, unfortunately), the button activates the display (which is otherwise not on) and shows the current token for about 20 seconds before turning off again |
| 20:34.02 | Arrowmaster | Zhinjio: so since you have experience with OTP systems which one do you think blizzard is using? |
| 20:34.05 | sb | Dashkal: mhh... i will, once my token arrives ;) |
| 20:34.11 | Arrowmaster | huh? the paypal ones are out |
| 20:34.24 | Arrowmaster | you can order one for $5 |
| 20:34.34 | Zhinjio | hmm. its difficult to say only seeing the client end. *grin* |
| 20:35.03 | Arrowmaster | i know paypal is using the same as verisign |
| 20:35.06 | Dashkal | about the only attack I can see to defeat this idea really would be a ton of work.... setup a tunnel so the attacker logs in through the victim's net connection :p |
| 20:35.08 | Zhinjio | from the client perspective that could be any one of the major 3 or 4 vendors |
| 20:36.05 | Arrowmaster | yeah i was looking into this kinda stuff a few months ago for personal reasons |
| 20:37.07 | Zhinjio | I still have nightmares about helping recode and test NT's login dll to work with securid. *shiver* |
| 20:37.15 | oloffol | is there a DogTag which makes a number, for example 10000, display like "10,000"? |
| 20:37.26 | ckknight | hrm |
| 20:37.37 | ckknight | oloffol: not that I know of, but it'd be easy to implement |
| 20:37.48 | ckknight | what would the modifier be called? |
| 20:37.58 | oloffol | i've been messing around but to no avail ;< |
| 20:38.01 | Dashkal | afk. food time |
| 20:38.11 | ckknight | oloffol: (I'm the author, btw) |
| 20:38.32 | oloffol | oh |
| 20:38.54 | oloffol | hm |
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| 20:39.56 | oloffol | i dunno, perhaps [NumberSeparator:","] or something, and you could alter what's within the quotes |
| 20:40.08 | Zhinjio | thatws right... MSGINA.dll |
| 20:40.13 | Zhinjio | twitches. |
| 20:40.58 | NeoTron | 27 Illidan kills, 1 warglaive, 2 skull of Gul'dan. |
| 20:41.33 | NeoTron | skull is listed as having 18% drop rate. sure wish we'd gotten 4-5 instead of 2 |
| 20:41.34 | ckknight | oloffol: I'm thinking [1234567:DigitSeparator] => "1,234,567" (and "1.234.567" for Continental Europeans) |
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| 20:41.52 | oloffol | yeah, that'd be perfect |
| 20:41.54 | oloffol | |
| 20:42.27 | ckknight | wait, SeparateDigits |
| 20:42.31 | ckknight | that way it's a verb |
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| 20:43.13 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: you should hear our healers bitching about maces |
| 20:43.35 | CIA-44 | 03gnarfoz * r78259 10FuBar_ItemRackFu/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 20:43.35 | CIA-44 | FuBar_ItemRackFu: |
| 20:43.35 | CIA-44 | - added deDE localization |
| 20:43.35 | CIA-44 | - add AceDB-2.0 for FBP-2.0 so icon and text can be toggled |
| 20:43.41 | Stanzilla | NeoTron: we had 4 skulls in a row |
| 20:44.35 | oloffol | or NumberFormat |
| 20:44.39 | sb | NeoTron: mh - 22 kills, 1 glaive, 4-5 skulls, 1 memento, 1 spire, 3-4 zhar'doom - and lots of caster heads :p |
| 20:44.40 | oloffol | like php |
| 20:44.51 | sb | need more spires :/ |
| 20:45.53 | oloffol | or FormatNumber, that way it's a verb :P |
| 20:46.10 | NeoTron | 7 mementos |
| 20:46.21 | NeoTron | 3 in a row.. |
| 20:47.10 | NeoTron | 5 shard of azzinoth |
| 20:47.17 | NeoTron | which no one wanted the first time it dropped |
| 20:47.31 | NeoTron | the 5th drp went to our one warglaive rogue so he could at least have 1.5 warglaive :P |
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| 20:50.42 | Arrowmaster | our rogues only pickup the shards for the lolz |
| 20:51.13 | Arrowmaster | such as the looking at wws and seeing the elementals take more damage than they do |
| 20:51.25 | AckisWork | I've done 0 work today... feels weird |
| 20:51.46 | sb | shard is nice in pvp |
| 20:51.47 | sb | arena |
| 20:53.00 | oloffol | it sucks when it procs near guards or something, then attacks a hostile player and gets you beaten down ;( |
| 20:53.33 | NeoTron | I have one |
| 20:53.37 | NeoTron | and I'm a warlock |
| 21:00.59 | Kuosi | the elementals are quite nice nowadays |
| 21:01.16 | Kuosi | I've done over 2k dps on teron as mut too :o |
| 21:01.30 | Kuosi | its actually pretty ok pve spec now too with the crit buff |
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| 21:06.17 | CIA-44 | 03ckknight * r78260 10LibDogTag-3.0/Categories/TextManip.lua: |
| 21:06.17 | CIA-44 | LibDogTag-3.0 - add tag [SeparateDigits(number, thousands=",", decimal=".")], which will do the following: |
| 21:06.17 | CIA-44 | [1234567.89:SeparateDigits] => "1,234,567.89" |
| 21:06.17 | CIA-44 | [1234567.89:SeparateDigits(" ", ",")] => "1 234 567,89" |
| 21:06.17 | CIA-44 | Note: if you're non-enUS, it should have defaults of " ", "," rather than ",", "." |
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| 21:08.24 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78261 10AckisRecipeList/AboutPanel.lua: |
| 21:08.24 | CIA-44 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 21:08.24 | CIA-44 | - Modified AboutPanel code somewhat |
| 21:08.24 | CIA-44 | - Dry-coded (compiles w/ luac -p) |
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| 21:14.23 | Hjalte | Does anyone use an UI where most of it is hidden outside of combat / when not moused over? I'd like to see pictures |
| 21:17.38 | AckisWork | But the New Castle Police Department responded to the little girl's call, and even filed a report, noting "Mom and Daddy were involved in a romantic moment and daughter mistook them as fighting." |
| 21:17.40 | AckisWork | lol |
| 21:18.08 | ckknight | hehe |
| 21:19.55 | Fisker- | "help help my dad is suffocating my mother with something big"? |
| 21:20.25 | Fisker- | sleep tiems though |
| 21:20.57 | Ellipsis | sweet dreams Fisker- |
| 21:21.25 | Zhinjio | hugs Ellipsis |
| 21:22.02 | Ellipsis | licks Zhinjio |
| 21:22.13 | Zhinjio | how're you? |
| 21:22.28 | Pkekyo| | I'M SEXY! YEAH, BABY! YEAH! |
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| 21:36.29 | CIA-44 | 03ckknight * r78262 10LibDogTag-3.0/Categories/TextManip.lua: LibDogTag-3.0 - Eep, fix typo |
| 21:38.39 | CIA-44 | 03gnarfoz * r78263 10FuBar_ItemRackFu/embeds.xml: |
| 21:38.39 | CIA-44 | FuBar_ItemRackFu: |
| 21:38.39 | CIA-44 | - add AceLocale-2.2 to embeds.xml |
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| 21:51.59 | durcyn | Funkeh`: any plan to add options to sb_folks? i.e., changing sorting |
| 21:55.39 | Tekkub | ah whee... got my hours in |
| 21:55.52 | Tekkub | so now, package up pico* and release, or take a nice cold shower? |
| 21:55.57 | Tekkub | damn Smarch weather |
| 21:56.25 | durcyn | nah, go make quickie moveable instead |
| 21:56.37 | Tekkub | Quickie is done |
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| 22:00.24 | NeoTron | http://www.adrguild.com/dkp/plugins/bosssuite/bossprogress.php?s= woot. |
| 22:00.56 | Tekkub | you've not killed jaeden, what's to woot? |
| 22:02.08 | ulic | pretty nice page NeoTron |
| 22:02.44 | ulic | I assume the data is generated dynamically from eqDKP? |
| 22:03.51 | oloffol | it seems you guys've been more lucky with sunwell trash drops than us ^^ |
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| 22:05.24 | CIA-44 | 03ellipsis * r78264 10LibDogTag-Unit-3.0/Categories/Characteristics.lua: LibDogTag-Unit-3.0: removed a broken event registration from the PVPRank tag. |
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| 22:09.46 | CIA-44 | 03sano * r78265 10/branches/LoggerHead/ (8 files in 2 dirs): LoggerHead: Switched to Ace3 and added data object support. |
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| 22:14.12 | NeoTron | Tekkub: the page itself |
| 22:14.20 | NeoTron | ulic: yeah |
| 22:14.27 | NeoTron | Tekkub: esp the boss loot info is fun to have |
| 22:15.54 | Pkekyo| | Just saying "no" solves teen pregnancy the way "have a nice day" solves chronic depression... |
| 22:20.16 | ckknight | lol, Pkekyo| |
| 22:20.56 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: for some reason i could never get bossloot to work, but i didnt really care that much either.. |
| 22:23.58 | Tekkub | ah, cold shower >>>>>>>>>> all |
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| 22:24.59 | Pkekyo| | ckknight: just telling the trith :p |
| 22:25.04 | Pkekyo| | s/trith/truth/ |
| 22:25.39 | Ackis | what's a libstubbed library that has localization in it? |
| 22:26.08 | ckknight | Pkekyo|: right, I think it's hilarious |
| 22:26.38 | Dashkal | best AV change request post ever: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903643716&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
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| 22:30.32 | Chompers | you killed all of bt in 2007 |
| 22:30.38 | Chompers | that makes me a sad panda |
| 22:30.38 | CIA-44 | 03sano * r78266 10doSocial/ (doSocial.lua doSocial.toc): doSocial: Added "DataObject:" title tag. |
| 22:32.58 | CIA-44 | 03durcyn * r78267 10Broker_Professions/Broker_Professions.lua: Broker_Professions: add alchemy, duh. |
| 22:34.22 | Chompers | NeoTron: it only took you 8 weeks or so to reach illidan after killing najentus? |
| 22:34.25 | Chompers | crazy |
| 22:36.08 | Ackis | ok, how can you do multi-commits w/ tortoise? |
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| 22:38.24 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78268 10AckisRecipeList/AboutPanel.lua: |
| 22:38.24 | CIA-44 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 22:38.24 | CIA-44 | - Fix AboutPanel issue |
| 22:38.25 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78269 10AltTabber/AboutPanel.lua: |
| 22:38.25 | CIA-44 | AltTabber: |
| 22:38.25 | CIA-44 | - Fix AboutPanel issue |
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| 22:41.20 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78270 10TIRaid/AboutPanel.lua: |
| 22:41.20 | CIA-44 | TIRaid: |
| 22:41.20 | CIA-44 | - Fix AboutPanel issue |
| 22:43.31 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78271 10Querier/AboutPanel.lua: |
| 22:43.31 | CIA-44 | Querier: |
| 22:43.31 | CIA-44 | - Fix AboutPanel issue |
| 22:44.22 | NeoTron | Chompers: if that's what it says, yeah |
| 22:44.29 | NeoTron | we progressed fast in BT and got the kill in right before xmas |
| 22:44.49 | NeoTron | which was kind of cool because way back in the old days, I got my first nefarian kill on our last pre-xmas raid night |
| 22:46.46 | Chompers | i was stuck on vashj before christmas |
| 22:47.04 | Chompers | then we stopped raiding over the holidays as we could not get 25 :< |
| 22:47.06 | Chompers | damn you good sir |
| 22:47.42 | NeoTron | we've had issues in SWP due to ppl leaving |
| 22:48.05 | NeoTron | probably lost about 1 month progress at least due to recruiting, unable to go due to low attendance, gearing up new players etc |
| 22:48.23 | CIA-44 | 03ackis * r78272 10WelfareEpics/AboutPanel.lua: |
| 22:48.23 | CIA-44 | WelfareEpics: |
| 22:48.23 | CIA-44 | - Fix AboutPanel issue |
| 22:48.44 | NeoTron | not to mention failing to kill kalecgos one week adn taking forever the next week |
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| 23:11.41 | Zyndrome | http://www.argalappen.se/imgs/lappar/0807/Geting%20-%20Ubbe.jpg |
| 23:11.48 | CIA-44 | picoguild: 03Tekkub 07master * r620547a 10/: Rename to picoGuild |
| 23:11.48 | CIA-44 | picoguild: 03Tekkub 07master * r2966e75 10/: Remove dongle |
| 23:11.49 | CIA-44 | picoguild: 03Tekkub 07master * r2193384 10/: Remove tekBlock, we're no longer a display |
| 23:11.49 | CIA-44 | picoguild: 03Tekkub 07master * re950e06 10/: Add an about panel |
| 23:11.50 | CIA-44 | picoguild: 03Tekkub 07master * r2d8c414 10/: README GODDAMNIT |
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| 23:13.55 | CIA-44 | picoguild: 03Tekkub 07master * r4f7e60e 10/: Weekly build 2.4.2.1-Beta |
| 23:13.56 | CIA-44 | picoguild: 03Tekkub 07master * rd81d5be 10/: Merge commit '2.4.2.1-Beta' |
| 23:13.56 | CIA-44 | picoguild: 03Tekkub 07master * rf798860 10/: Update changelog for 2.4.2.1-Beta |
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| 23:16.24 | ccKep | Tekkub: you there? |
| 23:16.28 | Tekkub | no |
| 23:16.40 | ccKep | meh -.- |
| 23:17.55 | ccKep | just wanted to report a bug in tourguides hillsbrad foothills 31-32 guide.. it suggests accepting a level 34 quest (6141) |
| 23:18.16 | ccKep | cba to register on googlecode for such a small issue |
| 23:18.25 | Tekkub | http://code.google.com/p/tekkub-wow/issues |
| 23:19.03 | Tekkub | then I cba to commit it to long term memory so I fix it next time I fix guide bugs |
| 23:19.06 | NeoTron | I wonder if it'd be faster to plevel my 67 hunter by making her follow my 70 t6 lock around |
| 23:19.17 | NeoTron | i.e if the gain of kill rate makes up for less xp |
| 23:25.35 | Aiiane | depends, would you be doing quests or just grinding mobs |
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| 23:27.53 | NeoTron | questing |
| 23:28.05 | NeoTron | can't imagine it'd be faster not to quest |
| 23:28.28 | NeoTron | but I could kill stuff at least 2-3 times as fast on my warlock |
| 23:28.39 | NeoTron | probably more so since I have literally no downtiem at all |
| 23:36.54 | NeoTron | what's a good spot to AoE grind? Easy mobs, that die from tripple dots (lock AoE => put dots up) |
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| 23:40.11 | Pkekyo| | I'm gonna hit that shit like the fist of an angry god |
| 23:40.19 | Pkekyo| | err, misstell |
| 23:41.22 | Trell_ | NeoTron; isn't The Heap meant to be a good spot? |
| 23:41.27 | ccKep | NeoTron: dunno if they changed the respawn time, but the time I leveled my lock (BC release) I grinded the fire elementals and imps in BEM |
| 23:41.53 | ccKep | I've been in combat for 4 hours straight killing mobs =) |
| 23:42.00 | Trell_ | plus all the mobs in Nagrand around the crystal mine place |
| 23:42.23 | NeoTron | Trell_: that was one of my considerions |
| 23:42.44 | NeoTron | kazzak area might be good |
| 23:42.53 | NeoTron | those mobs respawn fast plus it's a good primal fire area |
| 23:42.58 | NeoTron | just need a friend to help with a summon |
| 23:43.25 | SunTsu | NeoTron: I wouldn't mind dotting them, just put SoC on them and then hellfire them |
| 23:43.27 | NeoTron | but they aren't that close together although I can kind of just kill them consantly as destruction |
| 23:43.35 | NeoTron | very inefficient in comparision |
| 23:43.46 | NeoTron | can't SoC if stuff beats on you and neither can you hellfire |
| 23:44.00 | NeoTron | if you had a pally with you for conc aura and heals, it'd be good |
| 23:44.14 | NeoTron | but really the best aoe grinding as a lock is to spec affliction and throw the three instant dots out |
| 23:45.51 | ccKep | shouldn't most 67-70 stuff die from corr and CoA? |
| 23:46.22 | NeoTron | yes |
| 23:46.30 | NeoTron | SL is only to keep healed |
| 23:46.49 | ccKep | drain life a mob here and there :D |
| 23:46.58 | NeoTron | the elementals and imps in BEM might be quite good |
| 23:47.13 | NeoTron | problem is my kill rate now is so much higher than it used to be |
| 23:47.35 | ccKep | recorded 130k xp / hour as I grinded there |
| 23:47.53 | NeoTron | and I'd probably kill stuff at least 2x as fast :P |
| 23:47.55 | ccKep | was on my pre BC main, affliction warlock in T3 + quest stuff |
| 23:48.04 | ccKep | guess your T6 stuff should kill the mobs really fast =) |
| 23:48.16 | NeoTron | typically stuf dies in 2-3 hits |
| 23:48.30 | NeoTron | 2 if I crit, 3 if I don't |
| 23:48.41 | ccKep | was REALLY cool as affliction |
| 23:48.42 | NeoTron | but haven't been affliction for a while |
| 23:48.52 | ccKep | 3 dots, howl of terror on cooldown and ruuuuun around tabbing =) |
| 23:48.54 | NeoTron | in fact not since I ground up my consortium rep |
| 23:49.14 | NeoTron | yep |
| 23:49.33 | NeoTron | and you use howl of terror hoping the mobs will pull more mobs when they run around |
| 23:50.05 | NeoTron | still I wonder if it's better than doing quests with teh lock doing the killing |
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| 23:50.12 | NeoTron | because I can do >100k xp per hour on my hunter alone |
| 23:50.20 | Trell_ | affliction in BG's just kicks ass. |
| 23:50.22 | NeoTron | if you cut all kill time in a quarted .. |
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| 23:50.36 | NeoTron | that's some fast killing |
| 23:50.36 | Kuosi | Trell_: or your ass gets kicked! |
| 23:50.36 | Trell_ | I'm finding I'm top of damage done by a good double my closest rival |
| 23:50.39 | ccKep | but I think there was a bug with instant respawns on the fire elementals some time ago.. dunno if they adjusted the respawn time on those a bit higher now |
| 23:50.41 | Trell_ | and yes, I'm a selfish bastard in BG's. |
| 23:50.44 | Trell_ | it's all about the epeen. |
| 23:50.51 | aestil | couple questions about the mote finder. 1) which zones are best, 2) does it stack with other types of tracking if i have the helm on? |
| 23:51.13 | Trell_ | Kuosi; the trick is not to anger anyone running alone |
| 23:51.23 | Trell_ | just run around and dot everything thats otherwise already occupied |
| 23:51.25 | SunTsu | aestil: 1) Motes differ from zone to zone 2) yes |
| 23:51.38 | Trell_ | and never attack a warrior on his own, when he's not focusing on something else :P |
| 23:51.40 | Kuosi | nagrand best place to gather motes |
| 23:51.47 | Kuosi | air ones and there's plenty |
| 23:51.59 | aestil | SunTsu: all sunwell zones have motes? |
| 23:52.07 | Kuosi | Trell_: my rogue atleast likes to gank those warlocks! |
| 23:52.14 | SunTsu | aestil: Zangar is water, Nagrand air, SMV shadow, Netherstorm mana |
| 23:52.19 | aestil | ty |
| 23:52.25 | Kuosi | especially those w/o soul link |
| 23:52.38 | aestil | think i will start with air, since the T6 engineering helm needs 12 of those primals to craft. |
| 23:52.41 | aestil | so i can have them 'ready' |
| 23:52.59 | Kuosi | hf waiting for the pattern to drop :P |
| 23:53.32 | Trell_ | yeah, I don't have SL, and Rogues like to gank me. |
| 23:53.37 | Trell_ | especially those undead bastards! |
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| 23:54.07 | Kuosi | my rogue brings joy to warlocks bg play |
| 23:54.22 | Kuosi | undead equipped with some t6 and orange main hand |
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| 23:54.28 | Kuosi | makes big smile on warlocks face |
| 23:54.36 | ckknight | new Cartographer3 pushed out, btw |
| 23:54.51 | NivFreak | I need to try cart3 out |
| 23:55.15 | Diao | i don't think i've ever been outdamaged in a bg when i actually try |
| 23:55.18 | Diao | on my warrior |
| 23:55.51 | ckknight | NivFreak: I've been doing a lot of work on it, it's really getting better and better every day |
| 23:56.24 | ckknight | and basically, if you try it and decide that you hate it, tell me why. Perhaps I can deal with the issue you have |
| 23:56.36 | NivFreak | I hate it because it's change |
| 23:56.36 | Trell_ | will it break my Routes/Waypoints? |
| 23:56.37 | *** part/#wowace Pkekyo| (n=bsm89mod@062016163025.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 23:56.41 | Trell_ | or will they still work with it |
| 23:56.42 | NivFreak | oh, I should try it first I guess |
| 23:56.45 | ckknight | Trell_: works with Routes |
| 23:56.45 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 23:56.50 | ckknight | not sure what you're using for Waypoints |
| 23:56.53 | Diao | does it still have the um |
| 23:56.55 | Diao | guild positions |
| 23:56.58 | Diao | in cart3 |
| 23:56.58 | ckknight | yes, Diao |
| 23:57.05 | Diao | where can i download it :O |
| 23:57.11 | *** join/#wowace Pkekyo| (n=bsm89mod@062016163025.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 23:57.14 | erikh | heh, i won 100G one day with that. |
| 23:57.15 | NivFreak | is it in wowace svn? |
| 23:57.17 | ckknight | and it uses a neutral library that both Cart2 and Cart3 use, so they cross-communicate |
| 23:57.20 | Trell_ | if it works with Routes, thats my main concern out the window |
| 23:57.27 | ckknight | no, I have learned to hate svn |
| 23:57.28 | ckknight | I use git now |
| 23:57.30 | erikh | guildmate left the team, vanished and said "whoever can find me gets 100G" |
| 23:57.31 | NivFreak | meh |
| 23:57.37 | erikh | i just opened cart |
| 23:57.38 | NivFreak | use git2svn then :P |
| 23:57.38 | Diao | lol |
| 23:57.47 | ccKep | been using cart2 forever now... never tried cart3, many cool additions ck? |
| 23:57.52 | ckknight | NivFreak: why should I deal with wowace's bullshit svn setup, really? |
| 23:58.01 | NivFreak | christ, the major reason I loved ace addons to begin with was a single repository to pull from |
| 23:58.21 | NivFreak | now it's splintered all over the fucking place |
| 23:58.25 | ckknight | ~cartographer3 |
| 23:58.26 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, cartographer3 is the successor to WoW addon Cartographer, acts similarly to google maps. Download at http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/ - Provide feedback at http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/tickets/. Video: http://www.vimeo.com/917523 |
| 23:58.34 | ckknight | NivFreak: sadly, it was a horrible pain for me and others |
| 23:58.39 | Diao | boo |
| 23:58.44 | ckknight | and git is far superior in so many ways to svn |
| 23:58.46 | Diao | no svn means i can't use tortoisesvn to update |
| 23:58.48 | Diao | :( |
| 23:58.48 | NivFreak | well, I guess I'll stick to cart2 until it's dead |
| 23:58.50 | sacarasc | the acting similarly to google maps is what i don't like about cart3 |
| 23:58.53 | Diao | windows ftl |
| 23:58.59 | ckknight | also, I helped write curseforge, so I use that |
| 23:59.10 | ckknight | sacarasc: how would you rather it act? |
| 23:59.17 | NivFreak | ckknight: see, what you don't understand as that I don't give a fuck about what you like for an RCS |
| 23:59.19 | sacarasc | just static maps |
| 23:59.21 | ckknight | sacarasc: you can use it like a normal map, just don't use your mouse wheel |
| 23:59.25 | NivFreak | :) |
| 23:59.38 | ckknight | NivFreak: okay, curseforge has a lot of other things nicer than wowace, tbh |
| 23:59.44 | ckknight | primarily the ticketing system is what I prefer |
