IRC log for #wowace on 20080710

00:04.43Tekkubo/~ it's in your head, zombie! o/~
00:05.02Tekkublike the old "angry chick" cranberries version better :)
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00:09.20Gnarfozso, for grouped units, UNIT_HEALTH fires if a hunter FD's
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00:24.04CIA-4403kurax * r78158 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ARLLocals-zhCN.lua: AckisRecipeList: Update zhCN locale
00:26.44Wraithanhmm need to add ftp access to my torrent watch folder so I can remotely start downloading stuff
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00:28.11Dashkalscp > ftp
00:28.27Dashkalthe whole plaintext password thing...
00:29.07Wraithanftp setup to chroot is secure enough
00:29.28Gnarfozplaintext passwords are never secure enough, lol
00:29.45JoshBorkeit's a risk vs rewards decision
00:29.47DashkalWraithan: and if someone breaks in and injects a torrent to something illegal?
00:29.56Dashkalwhich you then proceed to download?
00:30.31Wraithanwell, lol at them they can't get what they just downloaded
00:30.55Dashkalthat doesn't save you
00:31.08Wraithanever been busted for illegal downlaods?
00:31.10WraithanI haven't
00:31.31Wraithannot that I download a lot of illegal content, but I do download TV shows because I am not commonly there to watch them
00:31.41DashkalThere are things your IP could be caught downloading that get a hell of a lot more attention that bootleg SG1 episodes
00:31.57Dashkalanyway, highly unlikely.  I'm just pointing out the vulnerability
00:32.06Wraithanyeah, it could happen
00:32.25Wraithanmore likely thing to worry about is someone hitting me when I cross the road on my walk to the bus
00:32.30Wraithanshould I not cross roads?
00:32.35DashkalDepends what city :p
00:32.38Wraithanlol
00:33.14DashkalBut to give a more likely example.  Someone hacks the ftp in order to download something nasty, only to later find out they can't get at the goods afterwords.
00:33.46CIA-4403broliant * r78159 10FuBar_ConvergeFu/ (4 files in 2 dirs): FuBar_ConvergeFu: Added AceTimer-3.0 dependency.
00:33.47Wraithanftp is secure enough for my needs, I rarely use it anywhere but from work, which is a wired line out, to a wired line to my house, granted man in the middle attacks can happen but are a lot more unlikely
00:34.06Wraithanif I was using wireless commonly or untrusted wired lan, then I can see a problem
00:34.07CIA-4403LordFarlander * r78160 10Baldrick/Baldrick.lua:
00:34.07CIA-44Baldrick:
00:34.07CIA-44- Wasn't using GetQuestObjective right, apparently it was changed for 2.0 lol
00:34.07CIA-44- Fixed PLATER_CONTROL_LOST to PLAYER_CONTROL_LOST
00:34.09JoshBorkei guess the question is more likely, why NOT use scp instead of FTP?
00:34.20WraithanI already have FTP setup
00:34.21Dashkalif you don't use it except from work, I'd suggest IP filtering it as an extra precaution
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00:34.43DashkalTCP sessions aren't all that easy to spoof sender IPs
00:34.54Wraithany'all are paranoid
00:35.06Dashkaljust had to clean up a compromised server
00:35.15Wraithanprivate?
00:35.26DashkalCan't talk details :p
00:35.30DashkalWasn't mine
00:35.44Wraithanmine is a private low traffic server
00:35.49JoshBorkeWraithan: there's no reason to not be cautious
00:35.59DashkalMy ssh port gets hammered all the time.  I just keep it patched
00:36.09JoshBorkei disabled password logins :-D
00:36.39DashkalI've considered that, but a password is harder to steal from my head than a usb key from my person.
00:36.39WraithanJoshBorke: when I can re-image my system in about 5 mins, my server getting compromised isn't such horrible thing
00:36.48DashkalMy passwords are pretty secure
00:37.03JoshBorkeDashkal: that's why you use a passphrase on your key :-D
00:37.10Dashkaltrue, and I do :p[
00:37.16selckinplain text passwords are more secure then debian ssh keys.
00:37.18selckindiscuss
00:37.18Wraithani am used to secure passwords, I work where everything is under lock and key
00:37.24Dashkalselckin: were, not are
00:37.24Wraithanlmao
00:37.26JoshBorkeselckin: false statement
00:37.26Dashkalpatched
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00:38.08JoshBorkeWraithan: 5 minutes of setting up an ip filter for your work subnet < 5 minutes to re-image
00:38.40GnarfozXinhuan: how do I enable threat logging again? can't find it >_>
00:38.44WraithanJoshBorke: what if I need to access from a friends house, or something like that?
00:38.50Xinhuani dn't remember either
00:38.55Xinhuanits some flag in the lua file
00:39.01JoshBorke~lart Xinhuan
00:39.01purlcats /dev/urandom into Xinhuan's ear
00:39.08JoshBorkewb xin
00:39.23GnarfozXinhuan: I have to edit it?
00:39.35Xinhuani really don't remember ;p
00:39.45Gnarfozdurrr ;>
00:40.49WraithanI understand what you guys are saying, I am just saying that even if someone does compromise my box, and manage to break free and get full access to my server, they basically only have access to a music server that sometimes torrents and is locked off from the rest of my boxes
00:41.17Tekkuband your porn
00:41.21Tekkubdon't forget the porn
00:41.30Wraithanporn is on a different box
00:41.35Wraithanmuch more secure.
00:41.36Wraithan:D
00:41.52Tekkubthen what's the issue?
00:42.02WraithanThat is what I am trying to say.
00:42.09selckinppl trying to assert superiority
00:42.25JoshBorkei jumped in late and am just trying to promote best practices :-D
00:42.31Wraithanthey are making fun of me for using FTP one one of my boxes
00:42.32Tekkubwe all know I'm the biggest dick here, no need to try to assert anything
00:42.50WraithanI'll agree, your a dick.
00:42.55JoshBorkei still don't see why someone would just ftp over scp unless they only have access to web browsers
00:43.09Ellipsisin summary: cake > pie.
00:43.24selckinftp should die :\ broken protocol
00:43.25JoshBorkeoh, and torrentbox = <3
00:44.02TekkubI'm considering one of these for my torrent box/playbak head: http://www.tvsquad.com/2008/07/08/acer-aspire-x1200-pc-is-cheap-tiny-and-could-be-your-next-htpc/
00:44.20Tekkubsince I have little hope the Myka will be out within the next... oh... YEAR
00:44.52JoshBorkehm, not torrentbox
00:45.05Tekkubway actually do away with my monster server if I get one of those
00:45.21JoshBorketorrentflux!
00:45.26Tekkubjust drop the drives I already have in an external enclosure
00:45.30GnarfozXinhuan: oh, antiarc added that, btw, thus your not remembering it ;)
00:45.31Gnarfoz- Add threat logging. Enable with LibStub("Threat-2.0").LogThreat = true. Note that this will be RAM intensive.
00:46.43Gnarfozerm
00:46.56Gnarfozalso, brain hurts, why did I think you wrote Omen/Threat-2.0?
00:46.57Gnarfoz;D
00:47.03Ellipsis~fail Gnarfoz
00:47.04purlGnarfoz, you Fail!
00:47.23Gnarfozindeed
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00:55.34GnarfozAntiarc: is it possible threat logging is... broken?
00:56.45Gnarfozeven though it's more likely I'm doing it wrong again^^
00:57.01CIA-4403broliant * r78161 10FuBar_ConvergeFu/: FuBar_ConvergeFu: Removed AceTimer-3.0 dependency.
00:59.24CIA-4403funkydude * r78162 10Broker_PvP/Broker_PvP.lua: Broker_PvP: fix click usage
00:59.48Gnarfozthere is no global "ThreatLib" :(
01:00.54Gnarfozworks via LibStub, though, kk
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01:12.45erikhbetween firewall issues, the ease of which configuring other transfer systmes, and plaintext transfer using ftp these days is just silly
01:13.39erikhand just points a big finger at someone who is ignorant and/or too hard-headed to move with the technology
01:15.38kenlyricwhere did that come from?
01:16.07kenlyricI agree with you, but it seemed really random
01:17.06kenlyrici like the ones who are all "zomg, I have a password" so I reply "I know, here's your password"
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01:32.56Wraithankenlyric: it came because they were making fun of me for using FTP still, on a box that if it is compromised I don't give a shit, and I can't be bothered to setup anything else on it because I have other things I'd rather be doing
01:33.22Wraithanlike what I am doing right now, going out with a friend to a bar and having a good time, later all
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01:44.58NeoTron_L80 Firelock build: http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?warlock=0505001522004135013520105000000000000000000000000000115003011350100000000000000
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01:46.12NeoTron_not entirely horrible, not much wasted stuff. just doesn't seme like taking "shadow dmg increases fire dmg" into account for a nuke build (demonic sacrifice makes mixing dmg schools non-viable)
01:49.13selckinoh great, top tier are all pvp
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01:49.38Dashkalmore points for cross/tiers then?
01:49.46NeoTron_top tiers aren't very useful
01:49.53Dashkals/\//-/
01:49.59NeoTron_the chaos bolt would be higher dps (shorter cast and can't miss, or at least, be resisted)
01:50.02Dashkaldamn
01:50.06NeoTron_btu it's certanily not worth dropping demo sac for
01:50.30NeoTron_0/21/50 will still be a the main nuke build, and the main nuke build will be fire
01:52.27CIA-4403LordFarlander * r78163 10Baldrick/Baldrick.lua:
01:52.27CIA-44Baldrick:
01:52.27CIA-44- Fixed checking GetQuestObjective returns
01:52.27CIA-44- Fixed Know Your Ley Lines
01:53.35NeoTron_a shadow build go do 8/21/42 or so
01:53.54NeoTron_get instant corruption, some aff spell hit and some imp life tap
01:54.46selckintheory crafting is for the bored time betwean leveling ad waiting on the rest to finish leveling :p
01:55.36NeoTron_or for when you sit at work and feel like a break :P
01:55.52kenlyricthey entire tree in holy priest past circle of healing is mazing for pve
01:55.53NeoTron_I will say that the talents aern't amazingly exciting but it does seem to be a godo argument to go fire dps
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01:56.10kenlyriclike, there's no chance in hell of a healing/imp ds priest now
01:56.18NeoTron_you're wrong
01:56.30NeoTron_one high disc priest would rock
01:56.33CIA-4403funkydude * r78165 10StatBlockCore/StatBlockCore.lua: StatBlockCore: Support the new suffix/value stuff
01:56.34CIA-4403funkydude * r78164 10/trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): .trunk: Broker Plugins: Support the new suffix/value stuff
01:56.40kenlyricthat would be a disc priest
01:56.44kenlyricnot a holy priest
01:56.58NeoTron_Rapture, Grace, Pain Suppression, and PI makes for a nice combo
01:57.10NeoTron_disc priests heal
01:57.18Funkeh`Stanzilla, that should remove the whole double label thing
01:57.21kenlyricmy point is I have to give up DS forever :/
01:57.25StanzillaFunkeh`: <3
01:57.32kenlyricand as a spirit whore that's very hard.
01:57.34NeoTron_if you mean a 21/50/0 priest sure. No one should skip 51 pt holy if they have 50 pts already
01:57.54NeoTron_but it's be insane not to have oen disc priest in the raid
01:58.03kenlyricyes, but for all the time in wow before black temple you could do just fine with 30/40 points in holy :)
01:58.15NeoTron_maybe not 51 pt (depends on how good penance is I guess)
01:58.26kenlyricbecause the endtree holy talent is supposed to suck giant donkey balls
01:58.47NeoTron_except ofc CoH is really good
01:58.52kenlyricI have like 56 points in holy I think. I the entire end of the tree
01:58.55kenlyricyes
01:58.59kenlyric"up until black temple"
01:59.08NeoTron_ah missed that
01:59.11kenlyricthen blizzard ruined it forever by putting something good there
01:59.13NeoTron_I thought you said in black temple
01:59.17NeoTron_you know
01:59.24NeoTron_I don't feel sorry for you for having a good talent
01:59.25NeoTron_really
01:59.34kenlyricand still I could hold off
01:59.52kenlyricI just want the motherfuckers to remove DS from the tree and giveitme!
01:59.58NeoTron_locks will always be locked into 21 pt demo for max nuke efficiency I think
02:00.04NeoTron_it's possible a aff/dest build could work
02:00.31NeoTron_anyhow time to head home
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02:07.31Tekkubeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
02:07.38TekkubI'M NAXED!
02:07.43Tekkubs/X/K/
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02:15.12DashkalGir rules all
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02:44.04vithoslol Grip of Mannoroth.. wtf is that itemized for?
02:46.03NivFreaksword/fist rogue?
02:46.09Tekkubokey, some updates to the LDB API docs and data spec docs is done :)
02:46.27NivFreakor part of a <20% weapon set
02:46.30NivFreakfor a warrior
02:47.35NivFreakit's ass good as an OH glave for a rogue if they don't have the MH, so some say
02:47.54NivFreakbut I think savagery is better
02:48.18vithosit's an offhand though
02:48.38vithosyou'd want the sword/first in the other hands i thought
02:48.44vithosfist*
02:48.47NivFreaknot sure
02:48.53NivFreakall my rogues are swords
02:48.54NivFreakhehe
02:48.59FiredancerFunkeh`: I was just trying out your changes to Broker_SysMon and I got the following error (shortened but I have the full bugsack report if needed): Broker_SysMon-1.0\Broker_SysMon.lua:73: bad argument #3 to 'format' (string expected, got nil)
02:49.00Tekkubfisting for everyone!
02:49.05Firedancer:o
02:49.10NivFreakanyway, it'd still make a good < 20% OH for a fury warrior
02:49.33NivFreakor a nice void crystal or two
02:51.20CIA-4403funkydude * r78166 10Broker_SysMon/Broker_SysMon.lua: Broker_SysMon: Bugfix line 73
02:52.14vithosour warrior has an offhand glaive already :(
02:52.17vithosinc 1 void crystal
02:53.23Funkeh`Firedancer, fixed
02:53.50Firedancer:)
02:55.40Gnarfozvithos: indeed, it's fist/sword (MH/OH) if at all
02:55.55vithosyeah :/
02:56.21vithosit's not even good as a stat stick for hunters because of the hit
02:56.36Aiianeso is it just me, or is cripple just plain broken for pvp
02:56.38vithoswell, at least in my raids with draenei aura and a doomkin
02:56.43FiredancerFunkeh`: the others need to be changed from self.unit to self.suffix as well. Had a new error after the fix, but changing them all works.
02:56.51HjalteIs there anywhere online where I can see how much haste someone has? Armory doesnt show it and I don't feel like counting :)
02:56.58Funkeh`ffs
02:57.14AiianeHjalte - import the character into chardev.org and look there? i think it has a listing
02:58.14CIA-4403funkydude * r78167 10Broker_SysMon/Broker_SysMon.lua: Broker_SysMon: ...and the rest
02:58.55Gnarfozlo
02:58.55Gnarfozl
02:59.09GnarfozDan Kaminsky rocks xD
02:59.10Gnarfozhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDKw8ny6IcM
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03:17.06CIA-4403funkydude * r78168 10StatBlock_Money/ (. StatBlock_Money.lua StatBlock_Money.toc): StatBlock_Money: Import
03:18.44LukianLOL.
03:18.46LukianI've been on my bank character all of 15mins and at least TWO people have ignored me for using the 'reported' addon
03:19.43Funkeh`Then don't abuse the reported function?
03:19.52Lukian...
03:20.09Funkeh`...
03:20.37Lukianhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8283-Reportedbyweasel.html
03:21.52Lukianrofl, there's a counter to it! http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9050-RereportedbyFeathersong.html
03:22.46Aiianethey're both idiotic addons
03:23.29Funkeh`http://i27.tinypic.com/30vlpxj.png
03:25.07LukianAiiane, why is why I use them on my bank character for entertainment while AH'ing stuff :D
03:26.06LukianFunkeh`, and that is relevant how?
03:26.29Funkeh`pretty self explanatory dude
03:26.45LukianFunkeh`, the addon does nothing but text, it doesn't actually report :p
03:26.56Lukianit also has rate limiting in place to avoid spamming
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03:28.31DashkalMan, that looks as annoying as the LUA trigger.
03:28.36krkaDashkal: You shouldn't capitalize Lua like that :(
03:28.42Dashkal^.^
03:28.47Lukian^ hahahaha
03:28.53Lukianoh man I should tell him to add lua
03:29.24DashkalI think that would quickly get him /silenced by a few people
03:32.00Lukianhttp://www.wowinterface.com/forums/register.php <- rofl epic captcha!
03:32.43DashkalLooks like it could be memorized, though
03:36.45Adam-SNot a bad idea
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03:38.16aestilhow many tanks does muru require? 4
03:38.18aestil?
03:38.54selckin4
03:39.10selckinwith the common strategy
03:39.18Swtz4 tanks, TANKS?
03:39.22aestilhow does that break down.  pally tank for the void things, 1 for each?
03:39.25aestilside
03:39.32aestiland then a 4th that does what?
03:39.37selckin1 warrior for sentinal pickup
03:40.06selckin1 each side (2), paladin void spawns
03:40.13aestilfor a 3 tank strat, the pally also tanks sentinal?
03:40.25selckinyou kinda need spell reflect on it
03:42.08selckinbut there are some guilds that aoe both sides at the same time with a paladin tank etc
03:42.14selckinso whatever
03:47.03Groktarwe're going at it with 3 tanks
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03:47.41Groktarwarrior tank on each side and a pally tanking the rest
03:47.41Groktarhehe
03:56.42CIA-4403broliant * r78169 10FuBar_ConvergeFu/ (5 files in 2 dirs): FuBar_ConvergeFu: Added the Recruiter tool.
03:57.51HjalteIs there an addon that will tell me the actual ISB uptime? I know there was one once, but it stopped working.
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04:29.09Groktarwhee 2% p1
04:29.34Groktari don't understand how we make it through 3 waves fine every time
04:29.41Groktarand then explode on wave 4 or 5
04:33.07aestilso we are doing the daily.  H. sethekk halls.
04:33.19aestiland the tank is a retard
04:33.21aestilwe get to the end
04:33.26aestiland he wants to tank in some wierd place
04:33.32aestilwe oblidge, it fails miserablly
04:33.43aestilso i say, no, we'll tank on the pillars like we allways do next time
04:33.44vithosshould tank it on a pillar
04:33.55aestiland he says 'no you guys screwed up the pull' [we didn't screw up the pull]
04:34.08aestilso i said, look, this has gone very nicely.  just tank it on the pillar and everything will be fine
04:34.12aestilor we will replace you.
04:34.30aestilhe says 'no, i'm not tanking it on the pillar, i'm tanking it over here on this thing and its always worked before'
04:34.36aestili kicked him out
04:34.42aestilwe replaced him with a 2nd healer
04:34.53aestiland we did it with 2 hunters, a mage and 2 healers.
04:35.06aestiltoo bad the guy put me on ignore after calling me some unsavory names
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04:49.19PrimerCan anyone recommend a really good macro reference?
04:49.26Primerbecause the examples on wowwiki suck
04:49.37Primerplus they seem to be quite dated
04:50.32PrimerI want to make a pet macro for all warlock pets, that, in order, do their special attack (Spell Lock, Seduction, mostly) on focus, pettarget, and target, in that order
04:50.54Primerbut having to specify [target=...] like, 6 times takes up all 255 characters
04:56.03Primerconditionals seem to be so strange in macros
04:57.08Primeris there no way to say "If target == me" ?
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05:05.27Diaotarget=player
05:05.33Diaoif you want to target yourself
05:05.56Diaotry this, Primer
05:13.14Diaoactually yeah i don't think you can without specifying target= a ton of time
05:13.15Diaotimes*
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05:17.15VonhintenHOME`!rating 1425
05:17.24VonhintenHOME`wtf is the rating bot
05:17.39Diaoum
05:17.47Diaoxinhuan isn't here
05:17.49Diaoso the bot isn't around
05:18.11Diao1425 rating is 327 points (5s), 288 points (3s), and 248 points (2s)
05:19.21HjalteAnyone else trying to download the new PTR patch?
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05:32.15Groktargets naked 4 u
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05:37.02CIA-44oUF_P3lim:
05:37.02CIA-44- Last update until i get back from vacation
05:39.49p3limCyall in 2 weeks, have fun
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06:31.04charonmorning
06:31.35charonremind me again... what exactly would have been wrong with having threat-2.0 simply multiply threat appropriately on a soulshatter fail?
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06:38.02durcynnothing, assuming you always divide it on the cast
06:38.06durcynFunkeh`: ping
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07:11.51CIA-4403scorpio0920 * r78171 10LittleWigs/TempestKeep/Thorngrin.lua:
07:11.51CIA-44LittleWigs:
07:11.51CIA-44- Update zhTW localization.
07:12.38CIA-4403sayclub * r78172 10ClassTimer/Locales/koKR.lua:
07:12.38CIA-44ClassTimer:
07:12.38CIA-44- koKR Update
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07:44.53aestilgot my engineering helm crafted vithos
07:44.57aestiland have 80 badges
07:45.05aestilkara on saturday will put me over 100.
07:45.08aestilgo go bow.
07:45.18aestilno one on right now cuts relentless meta gem though.
07:45.23aestilso its a waste sorta.
07:47.12cnc|workI cut them :p
07:47.17cnc|workare you on kazzak eu ? :p
07:47.24aestilhah.  no.
07:47.29aestildarkspear us.
07:47.32aestilits funny.
07:47.32vithosi just did prince!  it didn't drop :(
07:47.49aestilwell, that bow would be nice
07:47.53aestilbut i want the badge bow.
07:48.06aestilhave to get a crit scope worked up now.
07:48.23aestildoes your pet scale with all your stats? or just sta and ap?
07:48.49vithosmostly stam and ap i think
07:48.56vithospossibly int for spell crit
07:49.10aestili'm using ravager
07:49.20aestili guess i should work on getting a windserpent for brutalis
07:49.29aestilbut i'm a ways away from doing that enoucnter with them
07:49.41aestilthe leather engeineering pattern dropped tonight.
07:49.48aestilwent to some alt rogue.
07:50.06vithosi got twins shoulders tonight
07:50.49vithostwo dropped heh
07:50.52aestilnice.
07:50.59aestilour first kill 2 plate dropped
07:51.16aestilone went to tank [over 900 health on them] and dps warrior got the other
07:51.30aestilthey should take it a step further and let you transmute them to pally tank and pally dps as well.
07:51.32aestilthat would be very clever.
07:51.47vithosit was funny when people saw the loot
07:51.54vithos"can those be exchanged?  no."
07:53.57aestilsleep time for me
07:54.00vithossame
07:54.02aestilstupid meta gem
07:54.02vithoslater
07:54.14winkilleri
07:54.25winkillerI'd love to see SUNWELL :/
07:56.39winkillerworking with 2 keyboards and 2 mice ftl
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08:27.37digmouseuh, what if i want to update an old but still working addon, ok, it's arcHUD, need permission?
08:30.04SnagoThe author is MIA?
08:31.24digmouseya, MIA
08:31.33digmouseand i just wanna fix a font issue
08:31.41digmouseso i need an admin permission
08:35.07Zhinjioquestion... are the localized class names in french different depending on the gender of the toon?
08:35.08durcynif you have a bugfix for an abandoned addon, it's usually safe to commit
08:35.17durcynjust be prepared for people to ask you to support it ;)
08:35.24digmouseZhinjio: yes
08:35.33Zhinjiocries.
08:36.08digmouseI'll try durcyn, and pray for arrow or someone else wont bust me up
08:36.40digmouseZhinjio: see color.lua in SLDataText, it contains all class names of all genders in french
08:37.07Zhinjiothe weird thing is that ... if I'm not mistaken, I'm using the enClassNames when I do anything.
08:37.18Zhinjioand they aren't different in english, so wtf, over.
08:37.19durcynZhinjio: should also be in Babble-Class
08:37.26digmouseya, LibBB
08:37.54Zhinjioalright, I guess I need to do some more thorough checking to make sure I'm not using the localized names anywhere real.
08:39.04Gnarfoz2nd return of UnitClass.
08:39.06Gnarfoz;)
08:39.08durcynZhinjio: select(2, UnitClass()) imo
08:39.09durcynyeah, that.
08:39.23Gnarfozand they're different in deDE, too now
08:39.50digmouseesES, deDE and frFR all different
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08:46.14Zhinjioah, GetRaidRosterInfo is the culprit
08:46.23Zhinjiois French the only language that does that?
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08:48.59cnc|workprolly not Zhinjio
08:51.04Zhinjio"raidX" is the proper unit name for raid units, right?
08:51.07Zhinjiowith X being the raid id
08:51.15CIA-4403digmouse * r78173 10ArcHUD2/Locale_zhCN.lua:
08:51.15CIA-44ArcHUD2:
08:51.15CIA-44-fix font issue on zhCN clients since 2.1.4, oh it's not an locale update, burn me down
08:51.39profalbertraid1-40 yep
08:54.02CIA-4403elsia * r78174 10Recount/deletion.lua:
08:54.02CIA-44Recount:
08:54.02CIA-44- Potential fix for double deletions when receiving RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE after zoning.
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09:04.52CIA-4403gnarfoz * r78175 10FDLogger/ (. FDLogger.toc huntard.lua): FDLogger: initial import, tries to track hunter's use of Feign Death in raids
09:05.12Gnarfozyay
09:06.56Gnarfozso I hope that works as I want it to :D
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09:09.35digmousegnarfoz what if FD are resisted
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09:09.47digmouseis that counted in the tracker?
09:09.50Gnarfoznothing happens
09:09.59Gnarfozcan't detect that case unless you're the hunter
09:10.25digmouseo
09:10.29Gnarfozthis is mainly because of some retard hunter in my raid pulling aggro from bosses
09:10.39Gnarfozand claiming he used FD every time it was up
09:10.57digmouse.... so that's a shame
09:10.58Gnarfozyeah.
09:11.10digmousea hunter oted lol
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09:11.39Gnarfozif you're interested in how to detect resists, have a look at Threat-2.0/ClassModules/Hunter.lua, it handles it as good as possible, I think
09:12.20Gnarfozstill, because this one is mainly for surveillance, it's not likely to be run by the suspects :>
09:12.24digmousei'll look into that, just wanna write a FD resist pulse for GhostPulse
09:13.55KriLL3the test realm isn't up anymore, doesn't that mean the patch is coming soon?
09:14.08theoddone33means next tuesday usually doesn't it?
09:14.10[Ammo]haha http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Dave/comicsnowmanfap1.png
09:14.17KriLL3Wednesday actually
09:14.34digmouseah suck my logical mind
09:15.02theoddone33naughty dog looks pretty cool
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09:15.57digmouseI spent a week to understand for loop but failed :(
09:17.00Gnarfoz? :D for i=<start value>, <end value> do stuff end
09:17.04Snagolua> for i = 1, 10 do print(i) end
09:17.04lua_botSnago: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
09:17.05Gnarfozhow's that hard ;>
09:17.42cnc|worka for loop is the logic itself
09:17.44Snagolua> for i = 1, 10, 2 do print(i) end
09:17.45lua_botSnago: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9
09:17.52erikhdoes the bot or the print statement add the commas and spaces?
09:17.55Snagolua> for i = 10, 1, -2 do print(i) end
09:17.55lua_botSnago: 10, 8, 6, 4, 2
09:17.57digmouse:( cant remember what the values stands for
09:18.00erikhthat's kind of disturbing if it's the latter.
09:18.03cnc|workthere's 2 values
09:18.17Snagoerikh: the bot
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09:18.19cnc|workif you can't remember that a first value is start and last value is end you have a problem :/
09:18.21digmouse:( always messed up the 3
09:18.37Snagocnc|work: there's 3 values
09:18.44cnc|worktwo most of the time
09:19.04Snagostart, stop, step
09:19.10cnc|workdigmouse: did you program in any languages before lua?
09:19.17digmousecnc: no
09:19.25cnc|workhow long ago did u start lua ?
09:19.28digmouseno any coding experience
09:19.34digmouse3 weeks
09:19.45cnc|workthen it's normal you don't understand everything yet :)
09:19.58cnc|workafter making 200 for loops you'll know the args by heart don't worry :p
09:20.15digmouseI can only write a "hello world"
09:20.39digmouseI tried to look into c to find some basis but that's even harder
09:20.42digmouse:(
09:21.41cnc|workdigmouse: thats a bad idea
09:21.48cnc|worklua has nothing to do with c except that it's written in it
09:22.17digmouseand my mathmatics so sucked that i cant turn one simple question into math solution
09:22.39cnc|workdigmouse: what I lacked when I started with lua was something useful yet easy to write
09:23.04cnc|workand its mainly logic, not so much maths rly
09:23.12cnc|work(for the easy stuff at least)
09:23.30digmouse:( I faild almost every math exam since Grade 7
09:23.37digmouse*failed
09:23.37cnc|workwhat does that have to do with it ?
09:23.37theoddone33just use while loops
09:23.47theoddone33it'll be funny
09:23.49cnc|workalso, *please* stop prefixing everything you say with :(
09:23.59digmousesorry cnc
09:24.03cnc|workdigmouse: if you want I can answer your questions
09:24.13cnc|workI need specific questions though
09:25.10cnc|workcan't just answer "learn me lua" :)
09:25.46digmousemaybe lua is just too flexible for a coding noob
09:28.39cnc|worknah, it's fine imo
09:28.44cnc|workits easy, but you can do a lot with it
09:28.53cnc|workwhat are you struggling with ?
09:29.45digmouselast night i spent 2 hours to try print "1*1 1*2 1*3 ...... 9*8 9*9"
09:30.41cnc|workok, first of all
09:30.45cnc|workprinting in WoW is a bit anoying
09:30.50cnc|workas there is no print() function
09:31.07digmouseI use a ide, not in game
09:31.12digmousewxLuaEditor
09:31.15cnc|workah, ok, an IDE
09:31.23cnc|workthats a double nested for loop
09:31.27cnc|workas there are two variables changing
09:31.34cnc|workand each goes from 1 to 9
09:31.39cnc|workdo you understand that ?
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09:33.42Snagolua> for i = 1, 3 do for j = 1, 3 do print(i.."*"..j) end end
09:33.42lua_botSnago: 1*1, 1*2, 1*3, 2*1, 2*2, 2*3, 3*1, 3*2, 3*3
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09:42.27theoddone33if you don't understand for loops you don't have to use them
09:42.39theoddone33they're just a convenience
09:42.50theoddone33as long as you understand 'while'
09:42.50winkillerif you don't understand for-loops there's not much you can code...
09:43.12theoddone33that's not at all true
09:43.24theoddone33most people who can code happen to understand them though
09:43.29SnagoThere's lots to code without loops
09:44.47theoddone33I think it's more an issue of not understanding good ways to structure your logic flow rather than with for or while itself though
09:45.21digmousethat's what bothers me for years
09:48.39theoddone33so.... who else is excited about the activision blizzard merger??!
09:48.41theoddone33just me? ok
09:49.19Gnarfozerm, you're behind by about ... 6 months or so? :>
09:49.23winkilleryeah
09:49.28Gnarfozexcitement's died down by now :)
09:49.44Aiianehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/11566020@N05/2653868010/
09:49.46erikhyeah, i'm sure it's going to be just as awesome as when vivendi universal got involved
09:49.49theoddone33not so much, it just got approved 2 days ago and is actually happening soon
09:50.15theoddone33I'm hoping to get WoW perks out of it as I work for activision
09:52.08theoddone33that's a funny picture but the guy probably had two open
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09:54.51KriLL3I can't see why you get excited about corporate mergers
09:55.32KriLL3all it means in the long end is less diversity and competition
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09:59.58digmouseburn EA down
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10:59.08Kuosiblizz never fails to suprise me
10:59.12Kuosilogged in on my rogue
10:59.25Kuositried to mount up in shatt, wondered why nothing happens
10:59.26Kuosihttp://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hehdrakexb1.jpg
11:02.51cnc|workKuosi: can't access that image :p
11:02.59Kuosihum
11:03.01Kuosiwhat it says
11:03.30Kuosihttp://img57.imageshack.us/img57/5120/hehdrakexb1.jpg
11:03.30cnc|workmy proxy gives an error
11:03.31Kuosithat one?
11:03.34cnc|work(it always does for any http code)
11:03.39Kuosiah
11:03.48cnc|workfor any http code that is not success that is
11:03.51cnc|worksecond link worked
11:04.10cnc|workvengeful drake :o
11:04.11cnc|worknice
11:04.21Kuosiyes but do you see something missing?
11:04.40cnc|worknot directly no
11:04.41cnc|workenglighten me
11:05.02Kuosilike the "Use: Summons and dissmisses..." :o
11:05.04Kuosion green
11:05.19cnc|workhaha, indeed
11:05.23cnc|workblizz messed up ? :op
11:05.28Kuosiobv
11:05.37Kuosiworked fine before
11:05.39Kuosilogged in today
11:05.41Kuosiand bam
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11:06.15cnc|workticket
11:06.46Kuosihave one up
11:06.47winkillerlol
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11:08.36Funkeh`how do you get to hyjal these days
11:08.40Funkeh`the old place
11:08.59cnc|workyou get ported out if you do anyway Funkeh`
11:09.04cnc|workand you do via model editing
11:10.00Funkeh`eh?
11:10.05cnc|workyou need to model edit a model you can easely place on the ground into a staircase
11:10.11cnc|work*hint* cooking fire *hint*
11:10.23winkillerrofl
11:10.27winkillerthat's so awkward
11:10.43Pkekyo|the ending of Stargate: Continuum fucking sucks
11:10.48Kuosiye you get a no mans land debuff if you enter there
11:10.51Kuosiand get teleported out
11:11.10Kuosii went there on my rogue while i still had rocketboots+slowfall cloak
11:11.54Pkekyo|kudos for concept, but didn't they do this in a SG-1 episode allready?
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11:32.20ArrowmasterPkekyo|: shut it, some of us havent seen it yet
11:32.34winkillerand some of us never will :)
11:32.55Pkekyo|Arrowmaster: didn't get anywhere near details
11:33.10Arrowmasteri know but just making sure you dont
11:33.12Pkekyo|and there's been like... 200 episodes? could be any one of them
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11:33.30Arrowmasteryeah about that
11:33.31Pkekyo|I said that stuff half an hour ago or something, allready had shut up x)
11:33.36Arrowmaster20+ per season 10 seaons
11:33.43Pkekyo|ranging from 18-22 per season, if memory serves?
11:34.03Arrowmasteri thought it was 22 for all the early seasons then 20 for the later
11:34.12Arrowmasteri could check my box set
11:34.17Pkekyo|well, I've gotta go buy some bigass steaks...laters
11:34.19cnc|workI so need to download all the stargate seasons when I have some time
11:34.21Pkekyo|box set?! I HATE YOU :p
11:34.28Arrowmaster=D
11:34.31cnc|workdownloads ftw
11:34.32Pkekyo|cnc|work: screw you, buy them :>
11:34.34Pkekyo|worth it
11:34.39Pkekyo|if only I had the buck
11:34.49Arrowmasteri had all 10 seasons downloaded but got the box set for christmas
11:34.59Pkekyo|mate of mine bought the box set on ebay, but got a chinese knockoff xD
11:35.00Arrowmasterdownloaded took up over 80 gigs of space
11:35.22Pkekyo|half the DVDs didn't even work
11:35.29Pkekyo|and the labels kept falling off the discs
11:35.41winkillerlol
11:35.42Arrowmasterouch
11:35.50winkillerSG is so.. dull imo
11:35.53Pkekyo|he even paid retail price for the crap
11:35.55cnc|workthey're cool
11:35.59Pkekyo|winkiller: die a horribly painful death
11:36.06cnc|workwhy did he pay retail price for something on ebay ?
11:36.13cnc|workmight as well have gone to a shop then
11:36.15Pkekyo|cnc|work: not available in country :)
11:36.27Pkekyo|our country sucks
11:36.28Fisker-slaps winkiller around a bit with a large trout
11:36.34cnc|workonline stores > ebay
11:36.35Fisker-don't flame SG!
11:36.36winkillerhai fisqr
11:36.36Pkekyo|~whalecrit winkiller
11:36.37purlACTION crits winkiller with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. winkiller dies
11:36.42cnc|workFisker-: finaly you're doing something useful
11:36.51Pkekyo|lol indeed
11:36.56Kuosiso
11:36.58Pkekyo|well, gotta go get them steaks now...laters
11:37.00Kuosinow the gm im speaking with
11:37.01winkillerI didn't like it, leave me my opinion
11:37.08Fisker-no
11:37.10Kuosiis trying to learn riding skill but doesnt have 5k gold
11:37.11ArrowmasterPkekyo|: what country?
11:37.12Fisker-Your opinion is invalid
11:37.13Fisker-:o
11:37.16Kuosimaybe he wants to borrow some of mine
11:37.40cnc|worklol ?
11:37.45cnc|workwth Kuosi ? :p
11:37.46Kuosiyep
11:37.55Pkekyo|Arrowmaster: Welcome to Norway. Our cultural heritage involves drinking, smashing, raiding and making weird cheese.
11:38.03Pkekyo|off
11:38.15Arrowmasterwhat dvd region is norway?
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11:38.53cnc|workeurope
11:39.01cnc|workwhole europe is the same region iirc
11:39.09CamciRegion 02
11:39.12Arrowmasterlike 2 or something right?
11:39.23Camci2 yea
11:39.34cnc|workdvd regions are useless bypassable junk anyway
11:39.36Arrowmasterhate dvd regions
11:39.50cnc|workthey're bypassable anyway Arrowmaster ? :p
11:40.01Arrowmasteryeah i have my dvd burner flashed with a regionless firmware anyway
11:40.24cnc|workdidn't do that here, as I never write dvd's anyway
11:40.32cnc|workjust using mplayer to read dvd's bypasses it for reading
11:40.37Arrowmasteryou cant write region coding afaik
11:40.38cnc|workand won't lock ur player to a certain region
11:41.37Arrowmasteryeah my player isnt looked to any regions, not the firmware that lets you change it unlimited times but firmware that completely unlocks it
11:41.43Kuosicnc|work: http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gm4ri2.jpg
11:43.58cnc|workKuosi: did he need to help you with an issue on a mount only region or what ?
11:44.18Kuosihe's trying to help me with my nether drake
11:44.59cnc|workah
11:45.11cnc|workwhats the issue ? :o
11:46.11Kuosicant mount it
11:46.32Kuosiit has no "Use: Summons and dissmisses bla bla" in the item tooltip
11:47.59Fisker-think you can stop me cnc|work?
11:48.35cnc|workFisker-: ofc I ca
11:48.39cnc|works/ca/can/
11:48.45cnc|workFisker-:  /ignore Fisker- always work
11:48.57Fisker-oh god Kuosi
11:49.04Fisker-He ended his :D smiley with a period
11:49.05Fisker-:D.
11:49.07Fisker-I HATE HIM
11:49.45Fisker-~cartographer3
11:49.46purli heard cartographer3 is the successor to WoW addon Cartographer, acts similarly to google maps. Download at http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/ - Provide feedback at http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/tickets/. Video: http://www.vimeo.com/917523
11:49.55Kuosihaha
11:51.05cnc|workcharon: it won't let me generate an ssh keypair for using with git ? :o
11:51.11cnc|workups, wron chan
11:51.45Fisker-whats a keypair for?
11:52.03cnc|workFisker-: to lock you up
11:52.22Fisker-you can't
11:52.42Fisker-so it's basically just to bypass standard authentication?
11:53.04Fisker-and then they know it's the right person because he has a key :o
11:55.47charonit replaces a password in the same way that asymmetric encryption replaces symmetric encryption
11:56.12charoninstead of "i trust anyone who knows $secret to {log in, read this mail}" you say "i trust anyone who knows the private key to $public_key to {log in, read this mail}"
11:56.32Fisker-yeah
11:56.32charonwhich is inherently more secure because the $secret never goes over teh evul intarwebz.
11:57.01Fisker-yeah think if it ventured to my part of teh intarwebz
11:57.09Fisker-i would have delicious cake
11:57.13Fisker-and secrets of course
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12:41.07ktwodo u know a better addon for arenatargets? im currently using proximo but it does not properly recognize pets/characters or is that a non-solvable issue?
12:42.28winkillernever had probs with proxim
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12:45.20phyberktwo: you mean when the player/pet both have the same name?
12:45.29ktwolets say a hunter names his pet after the healer, proximo always targets the pet first
12:46.11phyberthat's a WoW issue. afaik.
12:46.18Kuosiyes
12:47.15Fisker-just report them
12:47.17Fisker-that is more win
12:47.39winkillerwhy?
12:48.50Fisker-because then you get them banned as well
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12:49.26phyberit's bannable to name your pet after someone on your team?
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12:50.25ktwoi dont think it is
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12:51.05Pkekyo|Arrowmasterwhat dvd region is norway? <--- no idea, but europe is 2
12:57.46Funkeh`aka PAL
12:59.05Gnarfoz<Fisker-> because then you get them banned as well <-- that's not bannable
12:59.11Gnarfozsadly :(
12:59.22Gnarfozbut 2.4.3 will give us /targetplayer :)
12:59.42Arrowmasterits kinda silly
13:01.42Gnarfozprobably too complex to check for all existing player names on pet naming
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13:06.56winkilleraren't pet names unique anymore?
13:07.47winkillerreally been a while since I got the "pet name not available"
13:08.06winkillerand there must be thousands of new hunters on that realm now :P
13:16.31cnc|workwinkiller: were they ever not unique ? :o
13:16.38cnc|workyou can even give them the name of a player iirc
13:16.56winkillercnc|work: in may 2005 we got "pet name not available" for default pet names
13:17.22winkillerlike.. can't remember, something like Yogi (Bear)
13:17.32winkilleror FLuffy
13:18.01Gnarfozpet names are probably or possibly unique among themselves
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13:18.19Gnarfozthey can be the same as player names, though, obviously :(
13:18.23winkilleryea
13:18.26winkillerwhat I meant
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13:18.37cnc|workwhat tag do people usualy give to untested code that still needs to be tested ?
13:19.09Gnarfozdry-coded?
13:19.21winkillernot the same
13:19.28winkiller"it compiles" != tested :)
13:19.44Gnarfozdry-coded doesn't even imply it compiles
13:19.49winkilleryep
13:19.54cnc|workit compiles in this case :)
13:19.58Gnarfozwell :)
13:19.59winkillersee? /flex
13:20.02cnc|workwell, it passes luac -p
13:20.11Gnarfozmagic awesome psychic powers ^^
13:20.13winkilleryeah, about the same
13:20.23cnc|workI'll give it the drycoded tag
13:20.25GnarfozI'd call it 'untested' ;p or "beta" ;D
13:20.33cnc|workjust need a tag in the code I can grep for when I can run WoW
13:20.46Gnarfoz"FIXME" :D
13:20.57winkillerFIXME is awesome
13:22.27Gnarfozhttp://notalwaysright.com/how-to-lose-your-marbles-in-style/817 < awesome page
13:23.17winkillerrofl
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13:25.47VVyrmCan anyone tell me what addons are seen in this picture: http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/188/uiorangelinesoa3.jpg
13:26.10Gnarfoz...several :D
13:26.21VVyrmI like the action bar and the chat with the black background.
13:26.55Gnarfozprobably: some actionbar addon (like Bartender3 or 4, Bongos, Dominos (they can all be made to look like that)
13:27.00Kuosikn panels
13:27.04Kuosifor the background shit
13:27.10Gnarfozthe chat actually has *no* background and instead it's some kind of panel addon
13:27.14GnarfozeePanels2 or kgPanels
13:27.18Kuosiactionbar mod can be anything rly
13:27.26Gnarfozpositioned behind the chat
13:27.47VVyrmOk :) Thanks guys. I will give it a try.
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13:39.06CIA-44Skinner: Skinned BaudMenu
13:39.06CIA-44- Updated Altoholic & Lootlink skins
13:39.06CIA-44- Updated Nameplates skin
13:39.06CIA-44- Skinned PetCastingBar
13:39.32Funkeh`Stanzilla, and it hides in instances
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13:41.05StanzillaFunkeh`: <3 <3
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13:41.20Funkeh`I figured it was wasteful running the timer in an instance anyway
13:41.27Funkeh`so that was the base code
13:41.31Stanzilla:)
13:43.47Stanzilla+ it looks silly if you have 00,00 all the time
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13:56.09StanzillaFunkeh`: I think Broker_Clock is broken
13:56.20Stanzillait only shows "Broker_Clock" instead of the time
13:58.16Funkeh`Oo
13:58.48Stanzillaand it has a "Text Display" field in the options..when I enter stuff there it errors^^
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14:00.12Funkeh`you're using an old sbc me thinks
14:01.01Stanzillahm the server WAU pulls from is down..let's check
14:01.43Funkeh`I just logged in with it and it's working ;p
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14:03.49Stanzillamy SBC is up to date and so is the clock plugin..weird
14:04.36Stanzillanow my wow crashed...R6035 - pure virtual function call O.o
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14:04.41Funkeh`there's no way it can show a text display in clock since it's not defined
14:04.44Stanzilla*25
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14:06.56Stanzillahttp://images.gammatester.com/pics/351f682d55bd0c6ed3e17addffaf1604.jpg
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14:09.31Funkeh`o..k
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14:09.59Funkeh`hmm
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14:10.14Funkeh`close wow and open your saved variables
14:10.24Funkeh`delete the entire "broker_clock_ section
14:10.45DARKGuydamn that's a sleek UI
14:10.48DARKGuycan I see it Stanzilla ? :D
14:11.02StanzillaIt's far from finished, only the top part looks good^^
14:11.07DARKGuy... and how did you get the zone text to be 2 lines height? :O
14:11.11DARKGuyxD
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14:11.27Stanzillamake the block too small for the text to fit in one line^^
14:11.42DARKGuyo.o cooool
14:11.43DARKGuy:D
14:12.07Esdotgot a link to the pic stan? i just logged in
14:12.21Stanzillahttp://images.gammatester.com/pics/351f682d55bd0c6ed3e17addffaf1604.jpg
14:12.46Esdotnice thanks :)
14:15.20StanzillaFunkeh`: k, works now
14:15.26CIA-4403funkydude * r78182 10StatBlockCore/StatBlockCore.lua: StatBlockCore: rare wierdness fix with blocks not showing the right text
14:15.40Funkeh`Stanzilla, shouldn't happen again
14:15.46Stanzilla:)
14:15.57DARKGuyis now playing: Lou Bega - I Got a Girl
14:16.00DARKGuy^_^
14:17.05CIA-4403funkydude * r78183 10StatBlockCore/StatBlockCore.lua: StatBlockCore: missed a bit
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14:22.05DARKGuyFunkeh`: can you even miss at coding? time to increase your coding skills!
14:22.30Funkeh`It's code for "oops"
14:23.00Funkeh`coded svn message
14:25.17cnc|workoops();
14:25.26DARKGuyXD
14:27.09cnc|workinstead of debug(blabla);
14:27.13cnc|workuse oops(blabla);
14:28.39DARKGuyhahahah
14:29.05cnc|workcld be entertaining for people using your code tbh
14:30.49DARKGuyyeah
14:32.02DARKGuyI love reading comments of some projects I look around in the net
14:32.20DARKGuysome of them are funny :p
14:32.41StanzillaI fail at Diablo Interfaces :( http://images.gammatester.com/pics/2106a82861911c459249bf4e6e563f95.jpg
14:33.41cnc|worklol
14:33.55cnc|workI agree
14:34.00cnc|workit sucks monkey balls
14:34.22Stanzillaindeed
14:34.28Funkeh`lol what's wrong with it
14:35.37Stanzillathe bottom part is ok but the rest just doesn't fit..apart from that..it's only a test..my normal interface looks different
14:36.40DARKGuyhaha, already using D3's interface?
14:36.40DARKGuylol
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14:36.56DARKGuylol @ whispers
14:37.01cnc|workStanzilla: I'd suggest flexabr for that kind of stuff tbh
14:37.07cnc|workinstead of the ab mod ur using
14:37.13cnc|workcld finetune positioning more
14:37.26Funkeh`speak english
14:37.36Stanzillaheh
14:37.41cnc|workwell, personaly I don't like having 3 big clusters of bar
14:37.46Kuosido you really need to see your stances?
14:37.49cnc|workit's nicer to be able to space out buttons as to make groups
14:37.56DARKGuyStanzilla: I once made something bizarre :D -> http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8223/wowscrnshot022308041131je8.jpg -- http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/9814/wowscrnshot022308041032ud3.jpg -- http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/4739/wowscrnshot022308041104wh6.jpg
14:38.28Stanzillalol scary! :p
14:38.31cnc|workrofl DARKGuy
14:39.05DARKGuy:D it was fun to use it for a while
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14:39.26DARKGuyAckisWork: !! -> http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8223/wowscrnshot022308041131je8.jpg -- http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/9814/wowscrnshot022308041032ud3.jpg -- http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/4739/wowscrnshot022308041104wh6.jpg
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14:44.58AckisWorklol diablo for wow
14:46.04Esdotfail diablo interface is fail
14:46.43AckisWorkdiablo is fail
14:46.50AckisWorkstupid game requires me to play 100% w/ a mouse
14:47.54Stanzillayou do that in wow, too :P
14:48.14AckisWorknegative ghost rider, pattern is full
14:48.19AckisWork:P
14:48.22Stanzilla:<
14:50.16durcynFunkeh`: gief StatBlock_Folks imo
14:50.28Funkeh`it's half made
14:50.30AckisWorkDARKGuy: http://ackis.myminicity.com/ind :D
14:50.31DARKGuynah, Diablo is the win
14:50.55laegno wai
14:50.57DARKGuyAckisWork: it was cool though, you could eat and play at the same time
14:51.16laeghow can you enjoy a single player game when you could be playing a mmorpg
14:51.17Gnarfozthus, THE lan party game
14:51.25Gnarfozdiablo is not single player o_O
14:51.29DARKGuylol!
14:51.34laeglewl
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14:51.46DARKGuyDiablo is multiplayer, and its PvP was the best back then
14:51.49Gnarfoznot entirely, at least (it's about 1/4 the fun in single player :P)
14:51.54DARKGuyyeah :p
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14:52.04AckisWorkmeh, if they allowed you the mouse controls but also WASD/arrow keys I might like it better... plus an autoloot/key to loot function opposed to having to click on loot
14:52.07laegroll on world of starcraft
14:52.26DARKGuyalt + click ftw.
14:52.37GnarfozAckisWork: I guess that's stuff coming for d3, they're not *too* prone to repeating UI design mistakes ;)
14:52.51laegalso there's a world of warcraft movie in the works, i hope they don't mess it up like the zelda movie
14:52.56AckisWorkclicking on all those little loot things is annoying as hell
14:53.01DARKGuythere was a zelda movie?
14:53.04AckisWorkI like hellgate londons style
14:53.08laegthere is a zelda movie
14:53.23Gnarfozhttp://notalwaysright.com/more-frisky-than-frail/782
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14:53.47DARKGuyAckisWork: oh... that's why. I never had problems with that... but then again....... *cough*
14:54.01DARKGuyzelda movie, I should look it up
14:54.17AckisWorkDARKGuy: you say you can only play with the mouse, but ALT-click isn't just the mouse :P logic flaw in the UI
14:54.31Gnarfozyou don't *need* to alt-click
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14:54.46Gnarfozalt is just the shortcut to show *all* loot for convenience
14:54.47Gnarfoz;)
14:54.55Gnarfozand it wasn't even in from the start
14:54.56Gnarfozlol
14:55.15GnarfozI remember mousing over areas like crazy because I saw something drop but couldn't find it to pick it up :D
14:55.19AckisWorkI tried playing w/ my gf a week ago and I couldn't stand the game at all
14:55.25AckisWorkI think hellgate is 10000x better
14:55.38DARKGuylol Gnarfoz, true
14:56.06DARKGuyI need to get hellgate, I've heard it's good
14:56.12DARKGuymy mom was an avid D2 player
14:56.18GnarfozI heard the opposite, actually
14:56.19DARKGuyshe had a lvl 99 bowazon o_o;
14:56.37GnarfozI'll not try D2 before D3 comes out, though, it'll just ruin the memory :D
14:56.42DARKGuyXD
14:56.49AckisWorkeveryone says hellgate is bad, it was at the start apparently but with the patches the game is pretty pro right now
14:56.57AckisWorkI'm level 50, rank 13 heh
14:57.31CIA-4403funkydude * r78184 10/trunk/ (36 files in 18 dirs): .trunk: LDB plugins: gogo externals
14:58.31GnarfozAckisWork: what is it with myminicity simply *not* finishing to load (or even render) for me, ever? to this day, I've not even got a clue what it's about at all because it doesn't finish loading ;D
14:58.36Stanzilla~seen Tekkub
14:58.39purltekkub <n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 12h 9m 39s ago, saying: 'fisting for everyone!'.
14:58.44Stanzilla:O
15:00.07AckisWorkGnarfoz: do you have it adblocked? have flash installed?
15:00.18Gnarfoznoscript, nothing else. whitelisted the page.
15:00.34Gnarfozerm, yeah, flash of course, too ;)
15:00.41Esdot~seen cubicool
15:00.43purlcubicool <n=cubicool@router.emperor-sw2.exsbs.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 23h 7m 56s ago, saying: '_, _, _, x = ...; isn't that a good candidate for select()?'.
15:00.43AckisWorkhmm it looks like it registered your click at least lol
15:01.00AckisWorknot sure why it wouldn't load
15:02.33Gnarfozhmm, I guess it'll randomly work one day :D
15:02.40AckisWorkjust keep clicking ;)
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15:17.51purlneronix <i=neronix@user-514c5185.l3.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 597d 15h 38m 35s ago, saying: 'Are they made of friggin' antimatter or something? -_-'.
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15:18.34MoonWorkdammn.
15:18.40MoonWork~seen rowne
15:18.41purli haven't seen 'rowne', MoonWork
15:18.45MoonWorkhah!
15:20.34AckisWork~seen penis
15:20.35purlAckisWork: i haven't seen 'penis'
15:20.44AckisWorkPurl is a girl then.
15:21.08durcynalways has been ;)
15:21.13ZealotOnAStickwho's been maintaining MobHealth (3) ?
15:21.27ZealotOnAStick~vagina
15:21.28purlvagina is probably something that i dont have but i like to suck, SUCK PUSSY YEAH!!!
15:21.36ZealotOnAStick[Ammo]: ping
15:21.37durcynlesbian too.
15:22.13ZealotOnAStick~seen roartindon
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15:33.15aestilhttp://armorylite.com/us/Darkspear/fdas [woot! @ helm]
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15:37.59sbaestil: we already had rogue/feral and prot warri receipe drops
15:38.19sbprot warri 10k gold from AH, and feral actually used ;)
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15:47.56laegcan you take gems out of one item and put them in another?
15:48.14nuoHep`no
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15:49.23laegty
15:49.35laegi can't log in right now and check
15:50.28Pkekyo|what day is it?
15:51.25nuoHep`thursday
15:51.31Pkekyo|ooh! new LFG comic
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15:53.55CIA-4403apoco * r78185 10RBM_BlackTemple/Naj'entus.lua: RBM_BlackTemple: Najentus Localization Fix
15:54.28DARKGuyLFG!
15:54.28DARKGuy:D
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16:03.14digmouselua> for i = 1, 9 do print(i * 1) end
16:03.15lua_botdigmouse: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
16:04.00digmouseuh, how to print them in a single line? in ide the output is in 9 lines
16:05.59Snagolua> local s = "1" for i = 1, 9 do s = s .. ", " .. i end print(s)
16:05.59lua_botSnago: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
16:06.07Snagodang
16:06.12Snagolua> local s = "1" for i = 2, 9 do s = s .. ", " .. i end print(s)
16:06.12lua_botSnago: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
16:06.49digmouseI'll try :D
16:06.50CIA-4403ag * r78186 10Fortress/Core.lua:
16:06.50CIA-44Fortress:
16:06.50CIA-44- support value and suffix
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16:12.49Pkekyo|what the flying fuck...no shield slam in WotLK?!
16:13.07nuoHep`itll be trainable
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16:14.33Pkekyo|oh
16:14.56Pkekyo|almost soiled myself
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16:16.55Funkeh`yup
16:16.59Funkeh`mt
16:17.27Fisker-slaps Funkeh` around a bit with a large trout
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16:27.20WraithanI got my wolk build figured out
16:27.27Wraithanassuming the shaman wolfies are good
16:28.50Pkekyo|anyone here familiar with nQuestLog?
16:30.17ag`what is the definition of a quicklauncher? Someone added ClosetGnome to the list, but ClosetGnome isn't a quick launcher, it sets text
16:31.09Pkekyo|FOR FUCKS FUCKEDUP FUCKING SAKE
16:31.11Pkekyo|I hate this thing
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16:37.46AckisWorkanyone noticing issues w/ the forum notification stuff for wowace?
16:38.36Stanzillaag`: icon only, click opens config
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16:40.44ag`Stanzilla: okay, but Closetgnome provides text
16:40.55Stanzillayeah..so it's wrong on the list
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16:41.09ag`like what you're wearing
16:41.17ZealotOnAStickAny of the Ace folks who have stuff up on curse/CurseForge - pretty please be kind and update your projects on CurseForge with recent versions.
16:41.43ZealotOnAStickIf there's any conflicts with ancient projects or you're not properly listed as author there or whatever, please let me know and I'll get it sorted.
16:42.51ulicgood idea, LittleWigs is long overdue
16:45.00harldephinthere's one single enemy i really really hate.. guess who..
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16:48.03StanzillaI so love the pirate bay people.. http://www.tfr.org/wiki/index.php?title=Technical_Proposal_(IPETEE)
16:49.10CIA-4403thrillseeker * r78187 10Baldrick/locals/localisation.lua: Baldrick: deDE localization. Subzone list not yet complete, but definatly usable on german clients.
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16:51.43ElkanoFunkeh`, oRA2's FuBar button is also for setting player or mt targets... so no launcher
16:52.01Funkeh`uh, so?
16:52.32Elkanoor is that a list of those that will not be turned into launcers?
16:52.56Funkeh`it's just a hack for custom text
16:53.25Elkanomkay
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16:57.35ZealotOnAStickulic: thank you
16:57.42ZealotOnAStickI sincerely appreciate it.
16:58.27ulicok, got LittleWigs update on curse.  Someday maybe I'll do wowace & curseforge side by side somehow.
16:59.19ZealotOnAStickThat's a good idea.  I'll see what we can do.
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17:20.48MK_anyone use eqdkp plus and time based dkp?
17:22.11durcynElkano: but, left click does bring it out of standby
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17:41.02NeoTronregardless how low the risk is, it's still a bit freaky to transfer mats for a sunmote craftable on the neutral AH
17:41.17sbwhy?
17:41.34NeoTronbecause it's worth 12000 gold or more?
17:41.54NeoTron5xSunmote: 1g
17:41.55NeoTronwoot
17:42.01Aiianeheh
17:42.06AeyanDidn't one of your people just get shit canned for transfering stuff over the neutral AH? =P
17:42.09Aiianeluckily most people don't camp the neut AH anymore
17:42.26NeoTronAeyan: someone in NivFreak's guild I think
17:42.45NeoTronbut I'm not transferring GOLD (heaven forbid!) but mats
17:43.01NeoTronbecause the pattern drop rate is do damned low te only one that can make Loop of Forged Power is on the horde side
17:43.48NeoTronand we have 8 sunwell guilds, 4 with twins down
17:44.18NeoTronthey should just put a vendor up after twins that allows you to buy the patterns or something
17:44.44NeoTronthe super low sunmote droprate makes flooding a non-issue by itself
17:45.25nevcairielI should start camping the AH
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17:45.43Zyndromebuff pattern-drops in Sunwell!
17:45.44Zyndrome;_;
17:46.43Aiianebuff my retarded guildmates -.-
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17:47.20NeoTronpost twins trash should have significantly higher drop rate
17:47.31NeoTronI mean part of the problem vs drop rates in BT/Hyjal is the very low amount of trash mobs
17:47.43nevcairielthey should let the gauntlet drop stuff
17:47.58nevcairielonly on first kill or so
17:48.02vithosit does drop stuff
17:48.02nevcairielso you cannot farm it
17:48.05vithosit just despawns
17:48.12NeoTronvithos: no it doesn't
17:48.27NeoTronthey should make the static spawns have drops
17:48.49NivFreakchrist I hate archimonde
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17:49.00NivFreakI'm starting to wonder if we'll ever get him to a 1 shot
17:49.16NivFreakit would help if I wasn't replacing people on a regular basis..
17:49.41NivFreakbtw, whoever gave me the advice to use a prot pally in full SR for wave 6 of azgalor's trash
17:49.44NeoTrondid twins last night without speccing demo
17:49.45NivFreak<3
17:49.45NeoTronthat was nice
17:49.46NivFreakfreaking ezmode
17:49.52NeoTronNivFreak: told you :P
17:49.54NivFreakyea
17:49.56NivFreakstupid easy
17:50.09NivFreakthat was our last bump in hyjal pre-archimonde
17:50.10NivFreakthanks a lot
17:50.16NeoTronnp
17:50.26NivFreakalthough, we had a new hunter last night
17:50.27NivFreakand he fucked up misdirects twice
17:50.31NivFreakone caused a wipe on antheron...
17:50.31NivFreakhahaha
17:50.37NivFreakso sad
17:50.38NivFreakand pathetic
17:51.00NivFreakI'd kill him except he'd never been to hyjal before
17:51.04NivFreakand he does DPS like he's cleared it
17:51.47Aiianehmm... were things already tight?
17:51.57NivFreakon what
17:51.57Aiianewe dont always have MDs for our aneth kills but we still do ok
17:52.08NivFreaknah, it was just a matter of him misdirecting to a healer
17:52.13Aiiane....oh.
17:52.16NivFreakand then it chaining badness
17:52.17Aiianehah.
17:52.24NivFreakthe NPCs then got aggro
17:52.25Aiianeyeah, that might do it
17:52.29NivFreakhe swarmed the entire raid several times
17:52.37NivFreakdropped an infernal in the middle of a panic pile of casters
17:52.48NivFreakfinally got aggro off the NPCs
17:52.55NivFreakand half the raid was dead
17:53.06NivFreakso it was slow decay while we got behind on infernals
17:53.20NivFreaksame hunter failed to move while having an infernal cast on him
17:53.23NivFreakand took out two healers
17:53.32NivFreakhe was pretty unhappy with himself
17:53.42NivFreakfor good reason
17:53.49vithoswe went and did hyjal for the first time in forever recently
17:53.53vithos8 minute anetheron kill!
17:53.57NivFreakchrist
17:53.58NivFreakwth
17:54.02PrimerOk, so back to macros
17:54.17Aiianefor a sec i read that as macos
17:54.19Primeris there a way to say "IF target = me" in a macro?
17:54.23Aiianeive been working in it too long
17:54.28NivFreaktarget=player?
17:54.31Primerno
17:54.33Primerthat targets me
17:54.34CIA-4403ag * r78188 10Fortress/Core.lua:
17:54.34CIA-44Fortress:
17:54.34CIA-44- Improved text formatting
17:54.34Aiianethat just sets it niv
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17:54.37Aiianedoesnt check it
17:54.39vithosi don't even remember what happened.. i just know it was bad http://wowwebstats.com/5bxyz6f5b65kw?s=142991-163661
17:54.47NivFreakah, duhg
17:54.53NivFreakI ran into this same issue
17:54.57NivFreakI don't think you can
17:55.07Aiianesame, I don't think it's possible via standard macros
17:55.11NivFreakif you figure it out, let me know ;)
17:55.18NivFreakI can fix my charge/intercept/intervene macro
17:55.50Aiianei do wish they'd extend the ! syntax
17:55.56PrimerI want a macro to castsequence warlock buffs, but I want the sequence to include fel armor and soul link if I'm the target
17:56.05Aiianeso that for buffs that can be cast on allies, prefixing it with ! won't cast it on yourself
17:56.06NivFreakvithos: you only brought 4 dps?haha
17:56.06Primerthat's all
17:56.09NivFreak(kidding)
17:56.20Aiianeprimer
17:56.21vithosi think the infernal tank died instantly
17:56.29PrimerAiiane
17:56.32vithoshealing assignment mixup
17:56.43NivFreakvithos: how the hell did you make that a kill? :P
17:56.55vithosferal druids in cat gear tanked infernals
17:57.11NivFreakwow
17:57.22Primerso in other words, there's NO way to do this?
17:57.42NivFreakPrimer: not that I know of
17:57.46NivFreakbut if you find a way
17:57.48NivFreakplease tell me
17:58.09PrimerI suppose I could just make the macro cast Unending Breath, Detect Invis, THEN fel armor, soul link
17:58.13vithosonly 5 people didn't die on that kill.
17:58.14Primerand reset=target
17:58.20NeoTronI picked up the shoulders from twins (seems to drop every week >:-)
17:58.50NeoTronso I need to make up for spell hit. that's why I finally decided to drop down the dkp to get the motes for the ring
17:59.42NivFreakwe have no horde guilds on my server with enough motes to let people get 5 for rings ;)
17:59.54NivFreakI think we have one alliance guild with enough
18:00.21Tekkub"This payment will post to your account baalance shortly"
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18:00.29Tekkuboh yea, instil confidence in your customers...
18:01.28NeoTronNivFreak: we're up to farming twins and we still don't exacly have many
18:01.49NivFreakit's funny, I have a pug raid group that I run sunwell trash farming with
18:02.00NivFreakwe see 1-4 motes over the course of an hour or two
18:02.07NivFreakand we just farm the first 3 pulls
18:02.30NivFreakwe've also gotten 2 or 3 pairs of the ele shaman gloves
18:02.32NivFreaka mounting vengance
18:02.42NivFreakand a couple of other things that I don't remember
18:02.55NivFreakI just go when I'm bored
18:03.07NivFreakbut it's nice to pick up a sunmote for some extra cash
18:04.00NeoTronsee
18:04.00NeoTronpeople that kill stuff in there don't farm the trash
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18:04.00NivFreakyep
18:04.00NivFreakthis is a pug
18:04.00NeoTronfarming the trash before kalecgos is how you get loot the best
18:04.00NivFreakand actually
18:04.00NivFreakthere are guilds that do farm it
18:04.00NivFreakand kill through brutalus
18:04.01NivFreakon my server
18:04.15NivFreakwowhead needs to fix twins loot
18:04.19NivFreakso it doesn't say zone drop...
18:04.40NeoTronwe need to get to muru asap
18:04.49NeoTronbut I think I'll try to arrange trash farming with alts
18:05.00NivFreakyea, that's a good way to do it
18:05.04NivFreakI often heal it on my alt priest
18:05.09NivFreakit's not hard if you get 4 mages
18:05.19NivFreakthe robot is the hardest part, and come on...
18:05.33NeoTronexactly
18:05.37NeoTronif we can alt-run hyjal...
18:05.59NivFreakyou'll be fine
18:06.26NivFreakwe usually bring 4 mages, 3 tanks (why?) and some randoms for it
18:06.43NivFreaksheep all the dawn/duskpriests
18:06.48NivFreakand the warlocks
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18:11.43Pkekyo|where should I level my warr at lvl 21? (horde)
18:11.43NivFreaksouthern barrens imo
18:11.43NivFreakpvp or pve server?
18:11.56Pkekyo|pvp
18:12.30OrphisYou should level it by killing level 1 boar in valley of honor
18:12.38PrimerI wonder how hard it would be to make pitbull remember the locations of group in a profile
18:12.51PrimerI also wonder why this isn't the default behavior
18:13.26Primergroups, even
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18:13.43CIA-4403ag * r78189 10FuBar2Broker/FuBar2Broker.lua:
18:13.43CIA-44FuBar2Broker: Autodetect most launcher addons. Be sure your display supports the
18:13.43CIA-44LDB-1.1 data specifications correctly, see:
18:13.43CIA-44http://github.com/tekkub/libdatabroker-1-1/wikis/data-specifications (this means
18:13.43CIA-44.label and .launcher)
18:15.49Primercrickets...
18:16.14NivFreakPkekyo|: I think you can do southern barrens until 25?
18:16.28NivFreakashenvale is always bad on my server for pvp, so I try to avoid it
18:18.29NivFreakNeoTron: how do you guys handle sunwell loot, primarily the exchangeable items and sunmotes?
18:20.01NivFreakhow can I forget, one of spriests got a wand of the demonsoul from our pug sunwell trash farming
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18:22.50CIA-4403funkydude * r78190 10StatBlockCore/StatBlockCore.lua: StatBlockCore: allow launchers just now
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18:24.59neeneeGood evening. Does anyone know of an addon that can export bank-contents to html?
18:25.28neeneeThere was an addon long ago that could do it, but I am unable to find it.
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18:25.47AckisWorkwtf http://www.worldofwar.net/forums/showthread.php?t=412815 lol
18:25.51AckisWorkold thread but funny
18:26.51NeoTronNivFreak: the exchangable items you get a sunmote with if needed (free of charge). crafted sunmote items we do dkp bidding on
18:27.00khangg_Does anyone know how to hide the keybindings text on the default actionbars?
18:27.20CIA-4403ag * r78191 10Fortress/Core.lua:
18:27.20CIA-44Fortress:
18:27.20CIA-44- don't show text if label and text is the same
18:27.44krimpsokneenee: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/3160/ I don't know if it's still working but I used it long ago ;)
18:29.01Aiianeneenee - just get it off the armory?
18:29.17Aiianehttp://www.wowarmory.com/guild-bank-contents.xml?r=YOURREALM&n=YOURGUILDNAME
18:29.25neeneeoh
18:29.30neeneeer that's the guild bank
18:29.37Aiianeoh, you want personal
18:29.41neeneeyup :)
18:29.45Aiianeum
18:29.48neenee=]
18:30.03krimpsokneenee: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6443-Possessions2.0.2Updated.html update version shows everything you want I think =P
18:30.08PrimerI have my bank contents on rpg outfitter
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18:30.18Primerhttp://www.rpgoutfitter.com/wow-gm/char.cfm?char=Barfolomeu@US-Gorgonnash
18:30.18neeneeoki, checking it out. Thank you
18:30.22Aiianehttp://www.rpgoutfitter.com/Addons/CharacterProfiler.cfm
18:30.25neeneeah, I'll check that too :)
18:30.31Aiianesame thing :P
18:30.39PrimerI have a curl script for uploading it too
18:30.42Aiianeer, same thing as primer at least
18:30.45Primerquite practical
18:30.50neeneeI know, I noticed the domain
18:30.56neeneeThanks for replying though :)
18:31.33Primernote that it's missing some of the newer content still
18:31.41Primerlike the epic Medallion of the Alliance
18:31.57PrimerS4 gear...
18:32.50khangg_Anyone? :S
18:33.04Primerkhangg_: people use default action bars?!
18:33.21khangg_heh that's true :P i'm actually using lucidity
18:34.39Gnarfozneenee: BankItems does that afaik? :)
18:34.51Xinhuanhi AckisWork, great to see you back ;p
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18:35.21AckisWorkhi Xinhuan <3
18:35.25Primerso who here works on pitbull?
18:35.31AeyanHey, in Indy
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18:35.36AeyanErr, it's
18:35.38Industrialhai, im back :D
18:35.48AeyanEllo
18:35.57StanzillaPrimer: ckknight
18:36.00IndustrialQuit wow for a while to play Age of Conan but it turns out aoc is bugged like hell.
18:36.02Aerrhttp://xs229.xs.to/xs229/08284/wowscrnshot_071008_135937406.jpg  yay doomwalker
18:36.04Aerrlol
18:36.07Primerno one else other than him?
18:36.08Xinhuanaoc sucks
18:36.10PrimerI knew he worked on it
18:36.12Xinhuani played to lvl 20 so far
18:36.13AckisWorkoh hai Industrial
18:36.18Industrialo hai AckisWork
18:36.19AeyanHehe, it's good to get away from WoW from time to time
18:36.20Xinhuanthe questing isn't any better than wow!
18:36.21Primerbut I thought someone else also did
18:36.21DashkalIndustrial: You can't walk over that bamboo stick lying in the ground!
18:36.27Phayhi, im looking to move my stance bar up but no matter wha ti try , i simply cant do it :(
18:36.31Xinhuanand the combos you have to press (1, 2, 3) is meh
18:36.34Phayfor my pet bar i use:
18:36.38PhayPetActionButton1:ClearAllPoints()
18:36.39PhayPetActionButton1:SetPoint("CENTER", MultiBarLeftButton3, "CENTER", 0, 45)
18:36.50Phayyet if i do that with my stance bar it simply doesnt work
18:36.55IndustrialI rolled a char 3 times to conclude it sucked ass 3 times
18:36.56DashkalI kind of like the combo bit, and the directionals, but not nearly enough to give up wow over
18:36.57Phaycan any1 tell me wat im doin wrong?
18:36.59Industrialso i canceled my account
18:37.02Industrialall level 40ish
18:37.05Industrial:\
18:37.10DashkalRanger was amazingly bad
18:37.16Industrialranger pwns in pvp
18:37.18Industrial:P
18:37.26ckknightPrimer: what's up?
18:37.28DashkalI won't argue, but I couldn't for the life of me get the feel for it
18:37.33DashkalJust felt... wrong to me
18:37.42Zyndromehttp://abduzeedo.com/first-international-trailer-max-payne
18:37.44Zyndromeoh snap! D:
18:37.49Industrialyou cant turn around and move as much as in wow
18:37.51ArrowmasterPhay: it gets reshown by the blizzard ui
18:38.08Arrowmaster~framexml
18:38.09purlGet the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/
18:38.15Primerckknight: just curious as to how hard it would be to make pitbull save the group positions per profile? I'm willing to do it myself if you tell me "it's rather easy"
18:38.33ckknightwhat does it do now that you don't like?
18:38.45Primerit doesn't save group positions
18:38.53Primerper profile
18:39.04ckknightit does it globally, then?
18:39.08Primeryes
18:39.15Phayarrowmaster: ok thanks for ure help, im the first one to admit im not amazing with lua, but how can i combat that problem?
18:39.30Phaynot my coding skills the stance bar problem XD
18:39.47IndustrialZyndrome: ho shi- the shot with the gun and show on it was nice :-)
18:40.19AeyanZyndrome: The hell is that at the end?
18:40.20Zyndromeenters bullet time to bring you the next message
18:40.22Zyndromesnow*
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18:41.48PrimerThis goes back to my wanting separate profiles for 10/25/40 mans. I tried setting these up, where each unit frame is differently sized and each group has different spacing/buff size/locations, and it was a clusterfuck
18:41.52AeyanNo, the gargoyle/angel thing =P
18:42.04AeyanThen again, Max is seriously hopped up on my painkillers
18:42.05Primersince the group positions weren't saved
18:42.22Aeyan...on some
18:42.29AeyanThat was an odd typo
18:42.31Zyndromeangels and valkyries could be a dream sequence or to emphasis a moment :S
18:42.44AeyanYeah, could be
18:43.29PrimerI'm also not sure if buff locations/sized/prefs are saved. I don't want buffs in 25 mans, and I don't want buffs or debuffs in 40 mans
18:44.03Primerideally, everything would be saved
18:44.12Primerper profile :)
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18:46.24Primerthen all I need to do is write an addon to switch profiles when it detects: Kara or WSG (switch to 10 man) Hyjal/BT/AB/EOTS (switch to 25 man) and AV (40)
18:47.08Primerand I would jizz from being so happy
18:47.11AeyanYeah, actually looking again, those things are all through the trailer
18:47.14AeyanMust be for effect
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18:47.33Primerpictures ckknight furiously typing these changes into pitbull right now!
18:47.45ckknightPrimer: no, I'm at work
18:47.50Primerso? I'm at work too
18:47.58ckknightI can't code addons at work
18:48.03ckknightnot 'sposeda
18:48.04Aerrlol!
18:48.19Primerckknight: how hard of a change do you foresee this being?
18:48.33ckknightshrugs
18:48.35ckknightprobably freakishly easy
18:49.51Primerthat's what I was thinking
18:51.22PrimerI just wouldn't know where to start and would probably spend hours trying to implement it, whereas you, who are familiar with the code, would only take a few minutes, presumably
18:51.47ckknightI also have so many other things to do :-(
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18:52.26Primerok, I'll check out the code and take a look then
18:52.34Primerperhaps you can tell me where to start? What file?
18:52.58ckknightthe main one
18:53.05ckknightno modules involve
18:53.07ckknightinvolved*
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18:55.46Primersvn...soooo....slooooowwww
18:57.39Dashkalgit-svn clone :p
18:57.50Dashkal(so not serious)
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19:05.00Wraithanvnc vs nx opinions?
19:05.11Wraithanoops wrong channel
19:08.54CIA-4403ag * r78192 10Fortress/Core.lua:
19:08.54CIA-44Fortress:
19:08.54CIA-44- fix icon bug
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19:23.37Jyggahas somebody experience with "enterprise quality" hard discs for raid fileservers?
19:24.21Jyggahard to tell which brand to go without experience :)
19:27.28Primerckknight: so in pitbull, a "layout" is simply what a unit frame looks like?
19:27.39ckknightyep, Primer
19:27.42Primerok
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19:40.55CIA-4403julith * r78193 10GoodTarget/GoodTarget.lua:
19:40.55CIA-44GoodTarget:
19:40.55CIA-44- fixed bug that "disable party frame" is not stored after reload
19:40.55CIA-44- added "click-through-able but not click-to-target-able"-mode for party frames
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19:46.49NeoTronAckisWork: the amazing thing is that two people voted that it should be a ok to do that
19:47.06AckisWorkthat's what scared me
19:47.20AckisWorkplus the line about 2 guys going to the cemetary with a shovel, and a box of condoms...
19:48.09NeoTronyeah
19:48.27NeoTronI mean it's outrageous...
19:48.42NeoTron...that they didn't think to bring lube.
19:48.54NeoTronand with that pleasant thought I will go get lunhc.
19:49.07AckisWorkheh
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19:58.11Xinhuanis there a lock called tiz in your guild ackis
19:58.43CIA-4403ackis * r78194 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ (ARLLocals-enGB.lua ARLLocals-ruRU.lua):
19:58.43CIA-44AckisRecipeList:
19:58.43CIA-44- Copy and paste enUS -> ruRU as a template
19:58.43CIA-44- Update enGB
19:58.43CIA-44- Dry-coded (compiles w/ luac -p)
19:58.52AckisWorkyes there used to be
19:58.57Xinhuanused to be?
19:58.58AckisWorkthey quit
19:59.11Xinhuanbecause?
19:59.23AckisWorkjust stopped playing wow from what I understand... left before I joined
19:59.33AckisWorkthey're account was whored out for use though
19:59.35Xinhuanone of my friends said he was talking to tiz
19:59.40Xinhuanjust 2 days ago
19:59.46Xinhuanlogged on your server just to chat
19:59.49Xinhuanabout KJ and arena
19:59.53AckisWorkhmm
20:00.03AckisWorkmaybe he's back, I haven't logged in in about a week
20:00.10AckisWorkor maybe another toon
20:01.33NeoTronI was disappointed by my health on twins
20:01.38NeoTronI only had 21331 health
20:01.53NeoTronwonder how I can get 6 more so I can be 21337 for my own good
20:01.56AckisWorkcasual
20:02.02Xinhuanisn't 15k enough ~_~
20:02.13NeoTronmore is better
20:02.19NeoTron15k might be enough
20:03.58NeoTronbut I like to push things too
20:04.13NeoTronI have 15.3k health unbuffed
20:04.16AckisWorkmore isn't better
20:04.21AckisWorkinstead of more stam, put on more dps
20:04.29Xinhuanu may lose stuff like damage/threat
20:04.39Xinhuanand spellhit
20:04.49AckisWorkadd more spirit also imo
20:05.25NeoTronI have 190 something spell hit (maxed out with shammy), and sufficient dps stats to put out 50% more threat than needed
20:05.38NeoTronI think I'm good thank you
20:05.49NeoTronand we killed them with like 30s on the timer with 11 healers
20:06.13NeoTronand during a double shadow fury event I dropped below 10k health
20:07.06NeoTronnot like i'll beat any dps meters with searing pain anyway
20:08.02NeoTronfelmyst staff, t6 pants and chest geared for stamina does wonders for your health
20:08.08AckisWorkif you're high on threat, toss a CoD on the other one? :P
20:08.19NeoTronhmm
20:08.24NeoTronI put CoE on her
20:08.38NeoTronso we have CoE/CoR/CoS up
20:08.48AckisWorktoss a shadow bolt or two? :P hehe
20:08.48NeoTroncome 2.4.3 that is certainly a good option
20:09.17NeoTronI can't really, since my haste isn't quite enough to cast a SB between moving and her casts.. except when she does something else
20:09.29NeoTronyep I'll try to do that next time
20:09.52NeoTronmanaged to get meleed in a perfect phase 2 last night too. that sucked
20:10.02AckisWorkif you're ahead on threat, etc, think of ways to maximize dps on the first kill target
20:10.03NeoTronreally bad timing getting shadow nova
20:10.34NeoTronmind you, as long as people die, there's not exactly any dps issues in this fight
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20:11.05AckisWork30 seconds saved on that boring fight is better than nothing :P
20:11.12NeoTronalthough it is a fight where hunters excel since, even with two druids, threat is a limiting factor
20:11.56AckisWorkonly on the first one
20:12.00NeoTronironically hunter pulled aggro in one attempt, likely due to omen missing a FD resist or so
20:12.07NeoTronhis FD was still 15s on cooldown
20:13.04CIA-4403hegarol * r78195 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/sets.en.lua:
20:13.04CIA-44AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP:
20:13.04CIA-44- added Season 3 Nether Drake
20:13.04CIA-44- added missing Tyrael ID
20:13.14AvrysAnyone know much about HeadCount, specifically it's eqDKP export?
20:13.52NeoTrononly know it appeared around the same time I got MagicDKP into a working order
20:14.11AvrysFor some reason my eqDKP is not finding any persons or loot in the parse =/
20:17.11NeoTroneqdkp import/export is really horrible
20:17.22NeoTronI had to go through some really bad hacks to get MagicDKP to export properly
20:24.32AvrysBleh.
20:25.04AvrysAre there any other attendance tracking bits that run off PHP? My guild uses  loot council but we really want an objective way to track attendance
20:26.04erikhAvrys: phpraid
20:26.19erikhit's a colossal pain in the ass to use though.
20:26.55NeoTronthere is a hosted DKP tracking site I don't rememebr now
20:26.57Dashkalyay fed
20:27.01NeoTronit can import "eqdkp" stuff
20:27.10erikhit'd be neat to write something that handles that and parses a savedvariables list, but A) i'm not in a guild that uses dkp and b) i wouldn't write it in php
20:27.12Dashkaland... thanks for that link AckisWork *yech*
20:27.14NeoTronrather ctrt
20:27.31erikhdunno, our guildmaster still tracks the stuff on dkpsystem.com, maybe that's it
20:27.42erikhI think he just keeps it around for justification when he overrides a roll
20:27.51NeoTronI plan to, bu haven't yet, add a sane export format from MagicDKP
20:28.17NeoTronand add some personally uses import tool for it (not planning to make a new public importer for EQDKP :-)
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20:29.04erikhwouldn't parsing the savedvariables be a lot simpler?
20:29.27erikherr, than writing a separate export tool that is.
20:29.39NeoTronno
20:29.54NeoTronbecause just being ni the saved variables doesn't mean I want to import it
20:30.10NeoTronand it probably wouldn't be easier either
20:31.19erikhso, err, is there some magic "write stuff to disk" function that blizz left in the game?
20:31.42Avryserikh - Yea, looked at phpraid but it looks like too much of a pain in the ass
20:32.34AvrysNeoTron - What all does MagicDKP track? If it's eqDKP output works and it tracks attendance / waitlist / offline / loot I'll just use that :p
20:35.03NeoTronAvrys: I track events, loot and attendees / standby for the event (attendees/standby are exported in one list - hacked my importer to separate them but alas)
20:35.28NeoTronoffline is not used. Standby is tracked either by people in group 6-8 or by peopl einstalling MagicDKP_Client and clicking accept when an event is called
20:37.40NeoTronnote that uit's not really made for loot council type tracking
20:37.43NeoTronNRT might be better for that
20:37.48NeoTronfor example
20:38.46Diaohmm
20:38.50Diaothe new wowhead talent calcs
20:39.00Diaothere's too many good talents for prot warrs.. we can't go far enough into arms for imp tc...
20:39.06Diaoi guess the arms/fury warriors will have to imp tc for us
20:39.25AvrysNRT? I'll give it a look-see
20:39.48DashkalDiao: I feel you there.  Feral druids got even more bloated...
20:39.49AvrysWe've been having some suspicions lately of people showing up for only bosses and zones they want shit from, and we need some proof
20:39.56Diao58 points in prot
20:39.59Diaoand i still feel like it's not enough
20:40.02NeoTronDiao: lol@ dps warriors using TC :P
20:40.03Diaothere are more talents i want to get
20:40.09Diaobut i can't give up imp HS, parry, or cruelty
20:40.10NeoTronand be happy
20:40.15Diaowhich is 13 guaranteed points
20:40.17Diao:(
20:40.22NeoTronwarlocks still have to pick up filler talents for a l80 fire nuke build
20:40.33DashkalI'm having similar problems with the feral-but-in-resto talents
20:40.46Diaoi designed a pure raid spec
20:40.51Diaobut it's pretty terrible for instances
20:40.55Diaosince you lose vigilance and safeguard
20:40.59Diaowhich are pretty big in 5 mans
20:41.13DashkalBut I'm just sad that I lost my hybrid tank/dps spec.  Can't do it anymore.  DPS or Tank and compromise on the other
20:41.25Diaohttp://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=LAZVZVctMe0zfecgzAo <- raid tank spec imo
20:41.26VonhintenHOME`As a druid?
20:41.31Diaothat's the best i can come up with
20:41.34Diaofor warriors
20:41.35AeyanVigilance is my new 5 man best friend
20:41.35DashkalVonhintenHOME`: If you're talking to me, yes
20:41.35AeyanHehe
20:41.56VonhintenHOME`Dash, I dunno what you're talking about, last I saw, the druid tree looked perfect
20:42.22AeyanSpec'ing feral is not as perfect as it used to be
20:42.25VonhintenHOME`I put together a spec that included everything you could want for tanking and DPS
20:42.39NeoTronVonhintenHOME`: you're missing stuff
20:42.42AeyanBleh, prove it =P
20:42.45Diao1/46/14 is the current "good spec" isn't it?
20:42.47DashkalVonhintenHOME`: I found myself having to compromise a bit if I took resto down to master shapeshifter
20:42.47NeoTronVonhintenHOME`: that's all
20:42.47Diaofor 70s
20:43.02NivFreakDiao: yea...
20:43.02VonhintenHOME`You are talking about L80 trees right?
20:43.05Dashkalyes
20:43.06NeoTronyes
20:43.19NivFreakDiao: this was the best I could do
20:43.22NivFreakDiao: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=LA0cZZVctMe0zcesguAo
20:43.24NeoTronyou will not have a perfect tank + dps tree in wotlk
20:43.39Diaolosing cruelty hurts a lot NivFreak
20:43.40NivFreakand I'm not happy with it
20:43.41Diao:(
20:43.49Diaoi skipped vigilance/safeguard for a reason
20:43.50Diaosince i rarely do 5 mans
20:43.51NivFreakI run 2/5 atm
20:43.59NivFreakfew people touch my threat
20:44.00NivFreakbut yes
20:44.00DashkalI'm sad about that, but I'll survive.  My druid will be pure DPS and my DK will swap into tanking
20:44.02Diaoand it would be worthless in raids
20:44.07NivFreakkeep in mind
20:44.09Diaounless there are bosses that snare/tauntable
20:44.14NivFreakincite will help
20:44.18NivFreakwhere you lose cruelty
20:44.21Dashkalif they do the talent swapping thing I've heard of (unconfirmed), I'll have my druid swap into resto
20:44.24Diaoyeah
20:44.30Diaobut i'd still rather have 20% extra crit
20:44.32Diaothan 15% :p
20:44.37NivFreaksure
20:44.42NivFreakbut you have to lose something
20:44.48Diaoya
20:44.48NivFreakand cruelty is the first thing I trade
20:44.54Diaowell
20:44.55Diaoi could do 2/5 cruelty
20:44.56NivFreakit sucks though
20:44.58Diaoand pick up imp tc
20:45.01NivFreakI think it's 10tps per point for me
20:45.01NivFreakatm
20:45.06Diao11/2/58
20:45.19Diaoi honestly cannot think of any use for vigilance/safeguard in a raid situation
20:45.20Diaoever
20:45.26DashkalThat said, I'm glad I can't have a perfect spec in one regard: there's enough iffy things that there's room for a little bit of play in talent selection without gimping myself.  Anything that blurs the cookie cutter specs is a good thing.
20:45.44NivFreakvig/safeguard are hot
20:45.51NivFreakyou'll find plenty of chances to use thoise
20:46.19VonhintenHOME`Druid: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=0ZxhGsfrkVhoAzAo0Eczb
20:46.27Diaowe'll see :p
20:46.43Diaowe'll find out when we ding 80 and see how the raid encounters are designed
20:46.55NivFreakif nothing else, you have trash :P
20:47.10VonhintenHOME`Only thing you have to sacrafice is 1 pt in Savage Fury (not a big deal, can be shifted out of Thick Hide later if you get armor capped) and you don't get imp LotP
20:47.49Diaofury is fairly well designed
20:47.52Diao17/54 spec
20:47.54Diaolose 2 points in precision
20:48.02Dashkalthe loss of imp lotp is something I'll feel
20:48.03Diaoand arms seems ok..
20:48.07Dashkalthe healers like it when I bring that
20:48.15Diao54/14/3 probably
20:48.16VonhintenHOME`oh come on, it doesn't do that much
20:48.17Diaoif i do go into arms
20:48.27DashkalIt lets the raid healer relax that little bit more
20:48.32VonhintenHOME`no way
20:48.34AeyanI'm not particularly crazy about the highend arms talents
20:48.42Dashkalyour experience obviously differs from mine
20:48.44Diaoneither am i
20:48.44VonhintenHOME`it has such a nominal impact, a small heal every 6 seconds
20:48.59Diaobut bladestorm is worth it
20:49.04DashkalThe key here is it's free.  No mana cost, no attention from a healer
20:49.05Diaohttp://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=LGhhzIbqMfdif0tVVzhZ0h
20:49.11Diaothat's the arms build i'd go with
20:49.13Diaoif i went arms
20:49.16Diaofor pvp
20:49.21DashkalNot saying I won't go without it, but I'll miss it
20:49.40VonhintenHOME`yeah, it will be missed, especially when you're out farming stuff on your own
20:49.52Dashkaloh for solo leveling I won't even consider not taking it
20:49.56Dashkalbut that's different
20:49.56AeyanI'm sure the rage usage would be prohibitive, but you could totally bust out MS and BT, hehe
20:49.56Diaoimp lotp is for solo/5 mans
20:50.02Diaoit's not that great in raids
20:50.04VonhintenHOME`but, something has to give to get omen and master shapeshifter
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20:50.11Diaoi usually have a feral druid in my group when i'm MTing
20:50.12Dashkalfor solo leveling I won't bother with tank-only powers either
20:50.15Diaoand ALL of the lotp procs are overheal
20:50.19Diaosince i'm topped off almost all the time
20:50.38Dashkaland you're right, something does have to give
20:50.59Diaoum
20:51.01AeyanI'm not even sure I can begin to comprehend the awesomeness of the priest talent Serendipity in action =P
20:51.04AeyanEven though I rarely heal
20:51.04NeoTronInfected Wounds seems pretty OP to me. reduce attack/movement speed by up to 50%?
20:51.07Diaowhy would you get king of the jungle
20:51.08Diaofor pve
20:51.13NeoTronthat's like two thunderclaps stacked
20:51.14VonhintenHOME`Neo, no way that'll work in PVE
20:51.15Diaoisn't enrage on a bear only when you use the enrage skill
20:51.35NeoTronthunderclap works, the succubus effect works..
20:51.56DashkalIf that works in PvE I'll have that talent for sure
20:51.56NeoTronguess we'll see but if it does work that's insanely good
20:52.12Dashkalbut I'm not expecting it to.  Much as I'd like it
20:52.15VonhintenHOME`yeah, I didn't include it on the assumption that it wouldn't have an effect
20:52.28DashkalBerserk I'll give up omen for to level
20:52.41NeoTronthey must have changed it since I last saw it though
20:52.44Diaois there any reason to pick up king of the jungle
20:52.46Diaofor raids
20:52.47NeoTronthere was more stuff in there before
20:53.00VonhintenHOME`Diao, lol, king of the jungle is awesome
20:53.02Diaoenrage lowers armor to give you rage doesn't it
20:53.03DashkalDiao It makes tiger's fury worth something
20:53.03Industrialwhy do you need aggro management for leveling?
20:53.04NeoTron15% more dmg => more threat?
20:53.11Diaoyeah but you're risking what
20:53.13Diao40% of your armor?
20:53.14Industrialjust kill shit
20:53.22VonhintenHOME`tiger's fury's being changed, it will be worth something already
20:53.30VonhintenHOME`That talent will make it retarded
20:53.32DashkalVonhintenHOME`: oh?  Must read the skills page for it
20:53.55Diaooh it's for cat dps
20:53.56Diaoi see
20:53.58VonhintenHOME`yeah, it's getting a big boost, and that talent turns it into a free 60 energy on top of it
20:54.07Dashkalooo, those numbers are very nice now
20:54.29Industrialurl?
20:54.35DashkalIndustrial: http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?page=701
20:54.42Diaobtw
20:54.44Diaois it just me
20:54.49Diaoor did they mess up disc talent tree again
20:54.55Diaoi thought they were trying to fix it
20:54.56Diaonot make it worse
20:55.05DashkalCannot comment, I don't play priest
20:55.17Chompersoh no it's RoS time :<
20:55.21VonhintenHOME`The druid is gonna be getting a nerf imo.. it has to.  Look at all the stacking passive damage increase...
20:55.23NeoTronDiao: I'm drooling over a heavy disc priest in the raid
20:55.27VonhintenHOME`druid threat is going to be retarded
20:55.29DashkalVonhintenHOME`: no argument here
20:55.31Diaothe problem with deep disc is
20:55.35Diaoeverything 31 points and below
20:55.36DashkalBut then, we may become the "threat" tank
20:55.38Diaois basically worthless for healing
20:55.43Diaoexcept ds/imp ds
20:56.07Diaothen the tier 10/11 talents are just pure awesome
20:56.09Diaofor healing
20:56.22NeoTrondisc priest => tank survivalist
20:56.27NeoTronmake th tank not die
20:56.35Diaoyeah
20:56.37Diaoexcept
20:56.41Diaoonly like
20:56.43Diao2 talents cover that
20:56.45Diaoeverything else is crap
20:56.50NeoTronit's the top tier stuff
20:56.54NeoTronI agre
20:57.00NeoTronthe mana regen is nice too I'd say
20:57.12Diaorapture is very nice
20:57.18Diaopenance is worthless (imo)
20:57.20Diaochanneled heal?
20:57.36Diaoyou're better off casting a GH
20:57.45Diaoin that 3 sec, than channeling a 670-756 per sec heal
20:57.56NeoTrondepends on scaling
20:58.03NeoTronit's instant cast
20:58.05NeoTronwhich GH is not
20:58.14Diaoinstant cast, 10 sec cd, channeled
20:58.21Diaowhich means its scaling is terrible
20:58.25Diaounless they use a custom modifer
20:58.27NeoTronit's like casting 3 pw:shield in a row
20:58.28Diaomodifier*
20:58.53Diaoeh
20:58.56NeoTronI agree it doesn't seem wonderful though
20:58.58Diaoif they made it so you just cast it and let it tick
20:59.01Diaothen i could see how it'd be good
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20:59.07NeoTronI'd probably say 50 disc 21 holy is the way to go
20:59.09Diaobut having to stand in 1 place and channel for 3 sec
20:59.11Diaois so bad
20:59.13AeyanBleh
20:59.22Diaoyeah, one 50/21/0 priest
20:59.24AeyanSerendipity - "Downranking is for pussies."
20:59.25Diaothe rest 20/51
20:59.45Diaoor whatever
20:59.47Diao18/53
20:59.49Diao19/52
21:00.21NeoTronGrace, Rapture, Pain Supression, Power Infusion, are imho great
21:00.22Diaonever mind! they shrank a lot of disc talents into fewer points
21:00.29NeoTronDivine Aegis is a nice bonus
21:00.47AeyanYeah, the shrinking is a nice touch all throughout the priest trees
21:00.55NeoTroneven reflective shield has a value if it increases threat to the recipient of the shield from the reflected damage
21:01.18VonhintenHOME`I'm kinda wondering what the top raid DPS rogue spec is gonna be... it looks like you can spec standard combat 70 spec, and then go all the way down assassination for Seal Fate and Cold Blood, which has the potential to be reaaaally nasty
21:01.19NeoTronDiao: right. I can't see there beign room for more than one 50 disc priest
21:01.33Diaohttp://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=bVcb0sZfVxccMVVhVIst
21:01.35Diao14/57/0 priest
21:01.36Diaofor the rest
21:01.50VonhintenHOME`But, a dagger ambush/backstab spec may have some high output, with Shadow Dance
21:02.12VonhintenHOME`Or a combat spec going down to Prey on the Weak
21:02.14AeyanThe assassination tree as it stands is totally sickhouse for PvP, heh.
21:02.16Diaoum
21:02.22Diaoi think murder spree
21:02.26Diaoall the way into combat
21:02.26Diao51
21:02.28NeoTronskipping holy spec seems like a reasonbly big tradeoff
21:02.29Diaois probably best
21:02.42Diaoi don't like relying on crit heals on priests, so i've always skipped holy spec personally
21:02.43NeoTronbut I dunno what to skip to get it
21:02.50Diaobut others have a different playstyle
21:02.52VonhintenHOME`Diao, maybe, but think about having seal fate as combat :)
21:02.57Diaoeh
21:03.02Diaodoesn't seem that great honestly as combat
21:03.07Diaoisn't the standard combat rotation
21:03.11Diao4 snd/5 rup?
21:03.16DashkalI do not like Hunger for Blood...
21:03.22Diaowhat would you use the seal fate on?
21:03.30DashkalI do not like it sam-i-am
21:03.30AeyanHunger for Blood needs a nerf.
21:03.32AeyanJust a bit.
21:03.44VonhintenHOME`Diao, Cold Blood+5pt Envenom mid combat
21:03.53Diaoeh
21:03.55AeyanIt's not even out yet and it needs a nerf. =P
21:03.58Diaoi dunno
21:04.00DashkalFF/Rake is how I kept those bloddy rogues visible...
21:04.01Diaohigh damage
21:04.03NeoTronspell warding I suppose is the only one
21:04.04Diaobut you lose your deadly poison stacks
21:04.06Diaowhich kinda sucks
21:04.16VonhintenHOME`yeah, but it's a guaranteed crit
21:04.18DashkalBut then, Feral Berserk looks a touch powerful too
21:04.28Dashkalok, actually it looks broken as all hell
21:04.52AeyanWell, a lot of stuff does at this point.
21:04.58VonhintenHOME`The only reason Envenom loses out normally is because it can also NOT crit, meaning you trade your ticking stack for equivalent damage and have to build the stack again
21:04.59AeyanHopefully they'll work on that
21:05.06Dashkaltrue.  Put it all together and it might just work :p
21:05.16VonhintenHOME`If you can guarantee an envenom crit, it's WAAAY in envenom's favor
21:05.18Diaowell
21:05.20Diao2 minutes on murder spree
21:05.23Diaovs 3 minutes on CB envenom
21:05.25Diaoi think murder spree wins :P
21:05.33DashkalThe spec I'm most watching is DK/Blood, and it doesn't look nearly as flashy as the other revamped top tiers
21:05.44AeyanPvE is well and good but I see a lot of I-WIN buttons out there for PvP =P
21:06.03AeyanNot that the game was really tuned towards that (at least, until arenas...)
21:06.13Diaohttp://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=f0eboeoZMIV0rVzxMGoVzAo
21:06.17Diaoi'd probably do taht for combat rogue in pve
21:06.56NeoTronDashkal: I think DK in general looks flashy and cool in comparision
21:07.05VonhintenHOME`You'll be able to easily keep up a 5s/5r, and throw in a cold blood envenom (blade flurried, btw) as well as spend extra points on eviscerates or play the lottery with envenom again
21:07.15DashkalIn general yes.  No argument.  I'm just noticing that the top talents aren't
21:07.24Dashkalspecifically blood
21:07.32DashkalWhile cool, it's something akin to a temp pet
21:08.09Diaobtw
21:08.10DashkalUnless something drastic happens, I'm going to have to really fight myself to make my druid my first played char for new content...
21:08.16Diaoseal fate cannot beat out prey on the weak
21:08.18Diaothere's just no way
21:08.25Diao25% increased damage at *all* times
21:08.27Diaoon every crit
21:08.29VonhintenHOME`it's only normal melee attacks
21:08.32VonhintenHOME`not specials
21:08.35DashkalPrey is OP in PvE
21:08.37Diaoyeah but 60% of your damage is white
21:08.39AeyanYeah, white damage only
21:08.49Diaoassuming ~30%crit raid buffed
21:09.04Dashkalooo, white crits only
21:09.05Dashkalnevermind
21:09.08Dashkalthat's quite a bit less then
21:09.09Diao18% of your damage comes from white crits
21:09.25VonhintenHOME`Yeah, we'll have to see how the numbers work out
21:09.29Dashkallua> 100 * 0.18 * 1.25
21:09.30lua_botDashkal: 22.5
21:09.31AeyanI would assume WotLK levels are going to be hitting rating %'s hard
21:09.36Diao4.5% extra damage
21:09.37AeyanOr crits are gonna be off the scale
21:09.40Dashkal4.5% increase isn't all that much, not so OP
21:09.49DashkalNot for a near top-tier talent
21:09.51Diaoyeah but it's a 4.5% increase constantly
21:09.56Arrowmasterheh all these high tier rogue talents are nerfed from what they were previously
21:09.57VonhintenHOME`I was looking at deep combat as viable too, was just speculating having seal fate and cold blood (plus all the poison talents too) would be sweet
21:10.08Arrowmasterthey were all fucking broken before they were so powerful
21:10.15Diaomutilate is looking to be decent for raids
21:10.34DashkalNaturalist, second tier resto talent.  +10% physical damage period
21:10.35Diaowith cut to the chase and deadly brew
21:10.39VonhintenHOME`I'll never go mutilate again... the poison+back restriction sucks ass
21:10.42DashkalAll my damage is physical
21:10.46Diaojust dual instant
21:10.49Diao= guaranteed deadly stacks
21:10.52VonhintenHOME`yeah Dashkal, it's sick
21:10.55Diaoand use evisc instead of snd
21:10.56Diaoor envenom
21:11.04Diaoguarantee snd up at all times
21:11.10VonhintenHOME`Naturalist 10%, Master Shapeshifter 4% bear, King of the Jungle 15% bear enrage, Primal Aggression 10% Maul damage
21:11.20DashkalWe *sigh* need a nerf :p
21:11.28Arrowmasterheh cut to the chase used to be on any evis or envenom not just crits
21:11.42DashkalMuch as I bitched about my spec, this went a lil too far the other way
21:11.47NeoTronI still haven't seen a kitty druid do great dps relatively speaking (t6 level)
21:11.59DashkalNeoTron: as it is now, we will
21:12.22DashkalAs for the bear DPS increase, I think it's by design
21:12.28VonhintenHOME`I dunno about t6, but t5 our ferals are doing nearly my dps (rogue)
21:12.31DashkalBlues have gone on record stating they want tanks to do more damage
21:12.35Diaopowershifting
21:12.37Diaobut uh
21:12.42Diaoare they trying to make sub pure daggers again
21:12.48Diaolooks like the talents are heading that direction
21:12.59NeoTronDashkal: you avoid think about the dps increases other classes will see
21:13.17VonhintenHOME`Yeah, take a look at Shadow Dance, and picture, every 2 minutes, 3 ambushes in a six second period :)
21:13.18DashkalI rather like that trend.  Less emphasis on artifically high-threat powers, more "honest" threat.  But do keep us tanks below real dps classes
21:13.26VonhintenHOME`That spec has the potential to be good raid DPS
21:13.28CodayusHelps with farming.
21:13.36CodayusAs well.
21:13.46VonhintenHOME`err, 9 sec person
21:13.51DashkalI'd be happy with no need for lacerate, and just enough extra damage that our natural threat modifier was enough to keep us at the same TPS overall
21:13.52VonhintenHOME`person=period
21:13.54NeoTronreallty though warlocks get noting
21:13.54Diaolol
21:14.05NeoTronexcept we get a incinerate/immo spec that doesn't need to refresh immolate..
21:14.13DashkalNevermind swipe being more threat, I consider that a bug in lacerate
21:14.17Arrowmasteryeah warlock talents are crap
21:14.21NeoTronpathetic in comparision to the goodies other classes get
21:14.26CodayusBut they've been careful in the past to keep tanks from doing TOO much DPS.  They've repeatedly tested some warrior changed which have not gone live because they'd be too powerful.  (Example:  Making devestate hit with both weapons)
21:14.36DashkalPvP wise that chaos damage power of yours is _nasty_
21:14.41NeoTronmind you a perma ticking immolate with a 25% more dmg buff + incinerate w/o having to worry about immolate is pretty good
21:14.45NeoTronbut it's not THAT good
21:14.46DashkalRogues and paladins everywhere must be crying
21:14.52Diaolocks don't need much buffs pvewise though
21:14.59Diaootherwise they'd have to buff mages a lot
21:15.07Diaosince locks already basically destroy mages in every aspect
21:15.18Arrowmasterfrom the looks of the rogue talents theyll destroy locks in pve damage
21:15.22Diaoonly reason to bring a mage is for scorch debuff or int ;p
21:15.25Diaoand food
21:15.31AeyanWarlock 51 pt Affliction talent is wrong.
21:15.34NeoTronDiao: bad mages do bad yes but good mages ar competetive
21:16.00DashkalI get the impression (I don't play one so this isn't from personal experience) that mages are broken rather than weak.  Not well tuned
21:16.00NeoTronlet me put it this way - it's easier to play a lock well than a mage
21:16.00Diaothat's why locks are on average 200-300 dps higher than mages right :P
21:16.04Diaoin top tier content
21:16.07Diaoaccording to wwsscoreboard :O
21:16.12ArrowmasterAeyan: by wrong you mean useless for group pve right?
21:16.25NeoTronwwsscoreboard is useless
21:16.35AeyanYes, but affliction has been weak in that respect for a long time
21:16.48NeoTrontop locks typically have super buffed groups, don't have to do a debuff curse (using CoD instead) sometimes use a pet with a 1 hr cooldown etc
21:17.12Diao1 hr cooldown pet? o_O
21:17.17Diaodoomguard?
21:17.19NeoTroninfernal
21:17.26NeoTronit adds close to 200 dps for 5 minutes
21:17.27Arrowmasterpeople use infernals?
21:17.29Diaooh
21:17.34NeoTronon Brutallus, sure
21:17.40Arrowmasteroh, not there yet
21:18.00Diaobut yeah
21:18.02NeoTrononly fight it's really useful on though since they take no dmg and can just stand there and chug away
21:18.03Diaothey need to fix mages
21:18.12Diaosince 2p t5 is STILL the best mage bonu
21:18.13Diaobonus*
21:18.28NeoTronthat's an armor issue
21:18.32CodayusHeh, the neverending problem - set bonuses you can't give up...
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21:18.38Diaowell
21:18.42NeoTronand I do honestly not see very many arcane mages with 4xt6, 2xt5
21:18.44Diaowhen it's the only bonus that makes the class competitive
21:18.56NeoTronthat's wrogn though
21:19.15DashkalCould someone who managed physical DPS in raids comment on Blood Aura?
21:19.20Dashkalmanages*
21:19.22NeoTronI'm not saying mages shouldn't be adjusted but they are not broken
21:19.33Dashkal4% strength increase aura
21:19.37Diaowhat's blood aura do
21:19.39NeoTronbut warlocks are a one trick pony. we do nothing but hit one button. for 10 minutes i fneed be
21:19.41Diaohm
21:19.46Diaothat's pretty good for a standard setup
21:19.47VonhintenHOME`druids wear 2pc T4 for quite a while, Rogues 2pc T4, spriests wear crafted tailoring stuff into T6...
21:19.50VonhintenHOME`common problem
21:19.51NeoTronour trees suck
21:19.58NeoTronyou HAVE to take 21 pt demo for a nuke build
21:20.10DashkalIt also buffs the self-heal of blood
21:20.28Diaohmm
21:20.30NeoTronand even if affliction was again competetive like in SSC/TK days, we still couldn't spec it due to running out of debuff slots
21:20.32Diaoi can't really think of how you'd setup the group thoguh
21:20.37Diaounless you don't put rogues into the melee group
21:20.42Diaobecause for "maximum buff stacking"
21:20.43Diaoyou'd have
21:20.49DashkalWell I imaging you'd stuff a blood DK in with ferals, rogues, and DPS warriors
21:20.53Dashkalor retadins
21:20.56Diaoenh sham, dk, feral dru, arms war, ret pally
21:21.00NeoTronand if you want to talk about set bonuses, most warlock set bonuses are worthless
21:21.01Diaoall of their buffs benefit each other
21:21.14NeoTron4xt6 is an exception but the only one pretty much
21:21.20Arrowmasterby most you mean all but 4xt6
21:21.34DashkalSo put one of each in a group? :p
21:21.39NeoTront4 had that +dmg proc that was nice
21:22.04NeoTront5 was useful when specced demo
21:22.07Arrowmasterwhat is this shadowflame spell
21:22.07Diaoyeah Dashkal
21:22.10Diaobut then the rogues would complain
21:22.17NeoTronArrowmaster: cone aoe
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21:22.24Diaosince they get no buffs in that case lol
21:22.29Diaoactually wait
21:22.29NeoTronlike dragons breath but shadow dmg with fire dot I think
21:22.32Diaoif windfury becomes raidwide
21:22.33Diaoit won't even matter
21:22.35DashkalBut I'm not at all sure a 4% strength increase is even worth the talent points.  How much would that actually help the other class' dps?
21:22.36Diaolol
21:22.40Arrowmastert5 was useful when specced affliction to make sure i had the most raw healing done for every raid
21:22.45Diao4% is probably 2-3% increased damage
21:22.48Diaosince it stacks with kings
21:22.48DashkalWindfury works in feral! Windfury works in feral!
21:22.50Diaoit's actually 4.4%
21:22.50Dashkaldances
21:23.05Diaoand you DO get a ret paladin for imp sanc aura
21:23.10Diaowhich is only 2% for party
21:23.22Diaoplus cats get an additional 10% str from talents
21:23.25Diaoso it'd be 4.8% for them
21:23.29Diaolol
21:23.37Diaobasically, it's a solid buff that i'd take
21:23.39VonhintenHOME`So they're changing totems to be raidwide, but not other group based abilities?
21:23.43Dashkalkk good to know
21:23.45Diaosupposedly yes
21:23.48Diaoall totems will be raidwide
21:24.01Diaoi'm hoping that battle/commanding will be the same as well
21:24.04NeoTronnot all totems
21:24.06Diaobecause it would suck if not
21:24.13NeoTronSurently not tranquil air for example
21:24.15Diaooh
21:24.16Diaoyeah
21:24.22Dashkalone thing that surprised me was that strength of earth / grace of air will be merged.  That's either a buff or a nerf depending on if the new totem is earth or air...
21:24.23Diaobut the "buff" totems will be i think
21:24.27ArrowmasterNeoTron: any clue whats up with the imp shadowbolt description? i thought i heard they were nerfing imp shadowbolt to not effect peridioc damage sources but the description reads exactly how it works now
21:24.32Diaoearth, air, or possibly both
21:24.34Diaohopefully it's earth
21:24.49Dashkaloh I do hope.  str/agi/windfury will be amazing :)
21:24.54NeoTronArrowmaster: from what I understand your view is correct. perhaps the data is just cut and pasted
21:25.03NeoTronnot affecting periodical damage, and 15 instead of 20%
21:25.04DashkalAnd as a stright-up DPS buff, it's easier to balance against
21:25.08NeoTronimho enough to ignore it
21:25.13NeoTronand just go pure fire dps
21:25.21NeoTrongoing to be the best one for sure
21:25.24Diaoyeah it will
21:25.25Arrowmasteryeah good by shadow priests
21:25.26VonhintenHOME`God, they have to be in balance hell at blizzard right now
21:25.28Diaomelee groups will be great
21:25.49DashkalI'm much looking forward to that.  I'm sick of being at a disadvantage to those damn casters ;)
21:25.54Diaolol
21:25.54NeoTronshadow priests are buffed so their dps should be higher
21:26.00Diaothere's a *few* fights where melee shine ;P
21:26.11DashkalI've yet to progress enough to see one
21:26.23DashkalUnless I'm not recognizing something in kara/early ZA
21:26.25NeoTronthere are plenty of such fights
21:26.29AeyanMore DPS is good, but I hope they buff tank threat abilities in non-raid situations or I'm gonna get my ass stomped =P
21:26.32Diaomostly 25 mans
21:26.37Dashkalthought so
21:26.44Dashkal25 mans own my face.  I can do HKM and that's about it
21:26.49Diaovrak, solarian, tidewalker, lurker
21:26.53Diaoall are great
21:26.53DashkalOdly enough, I as a feral druid tank the saman
21:26.56Diaofor melee
21:27.01Diaobasically sit there and dps
21:27.01Dashkaland it works better than hunters or boomkins for some unknown reason
21:27.10NeoTrongood 10 man melee fights: attumen, moroes, maiden especially, .. etc
21:27.25DashkalLurker... I swear half the raid thought spout should be embraced like the damn ZG poison...
21:27.36Diaolol
21:27.40NeoTronman SSC seems so far away
21:27.46DashkalNeoTron: I can see it for attumen and marose.  Maiden not so much in that it's a bitch on the healers to keep us up
21:27.52Arrowmasterhavent been there forever
21:28.01DashkalIt _hurts_ standing in the glowy
21:28.04Diaoget a better healer :D
21:28.10Diaoshaman with chainheal or priest with coh
21:28.16DashkalThat would help
21:28.19Dashkalwe have mostly pala healers
21:28.20Diaoour melee just sit inside the consecrate and dps away
21:28.33AckisWorkDiao: you don't waste CoH cooldowns on that crap :P
21:28.35VonhintenHOME`my guild killed vashj exactly 1 time, and we were never able to do it again... too many inconsistent raiders
21:28.37DashkalMaiden is a bitch for pure-paladin heals
21:28.44Diaocooldowns? o_O
21:28.49Diaocoh has no cd!
21:28.49AckisWorkGCD
21:28.54Diaopffft
21:29.01AckisWorkyou toss out a few renews and autowand
21:29.07AckisWorkkeep PoM bouncing
21:29.20Diaowhen i play my priest
21:29.24Diaoi just pom, renew tank
21:29.24NeoTronDashkal: err. paladin just puts up blessing of sacrifice on a melee and keeps healing. why is that hard?
21:29.25Diaoand spam coh
21:29.45NeoTronmaiden is always topped by melee dpsers since they don't have to really run otu
21:29.50DashkalNeoTron: I dunno.  They do use sacrifice no problem, but I find myself as a melee DPS having to duck out and self-heal from time to time or I drop dead
21:29.58DashkalMaybe they just fail?
21:30.02NeoTronthey do
21:30.02NeoTronyes
21:30.14Diaoyeah
21:30.16Diaothat's pretty fail :P
21:30.17DashkalI do absolutely love that fight from a pure-dps perspective
21:30.21NeoTronIv'e done that fight with like 5 ppl in melee. it wasn't hard
21:30.23DashkalI can out damage the rogue no problem on that fight alone
21:30.23Diaoit's best as a warrior
21:30.31Diaosince you get SO much rage from consecreaet
21:30.32DashkalNowhere else except maiden :p
21:30.33Diaoconsecrate*
21:30.34Diaowow i can't type
21:30.45VonhintenHOME`paladins are just lousy at healing raid damage
21:31.09DashkalI did note that the one time I healed that fight I had little trouble keeping melee up, but I just had a lifebloom cycle going and it never ran out
21:31.11VonhintenHOME`plain and simple.. they need to throw pally's a bone
21:31.12Diaonot when they're spellhasted :D
21:31.38VonhintenHOME`pally's got uberscrewed on the spirit buff...
21:31.45VonhintenHOME`now druids and priests have mana for days
21:31.52DashkalSadly we got stomped not cause of melee dealths, but because nobody could get the damn holy fire off *sigh*
21:32.07vraki am great? ^_^
21:32.12NeoTronwhat is fun about wotlk is that mages need to keep imp scorch up
21:32.16NeoTrontoo bad for them
21:32.28Diaoyeah it's funny because paladins were supposed to be the "efficient" healer
21:32.42Diaobut after the priest/druid buff they're now the least efficient except for maybe shaman
21:32.58NeoTronDashkal: you did maiden without a dispeller?
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21:33.08Dashkalno, that time it was the specific dispeller who sucked
21:33.41DashkalWe skipped her that week and fortunately replaced the fail player with someone better for the back half
21:33.53DashkalBut I haven't healed on her again since
21:34.08DashkalI'm usually prefered feral for my "sometimes a tank" offtanking :p
21:34.12Arrowmasterive done maiden without a dispeller before
21:34.28DashkalArrowmaster: How do you survive the holy fires?
21:34.31VonhintenHOME`We have a resto druid that has been quoted saying several times "nah, I don't drink anymore"
21:34.32Diaogrounding totem :D
21:34.34Arrowmasternobody got hit
21:34.40Dashkalooo, nice
21:34.52Arrowmasterwell only one holy fire got past the 2 grounding totems
21:34.59Arrowmasterand it hit me but i resisted it
21:35.12Diaoor
21:35.15Dashkalgood enough
21:35.15Diaoyou could bring purification pots
21:35.16Diaohaha
21:35.33Dashkalpurification pots?  remind me to pack some of those if I ever heal on her again...
21:35.33Arrowmasterhad 2 felhunters out that had nothing to dispell
21:35.36VonhintenHOME`Because literally she doesn't need to... she spams lifebloom all day and doesn't have mana problems.  When she does get low, she pops innervate with her spirit staff on and gets like 18k mana from it
21:35.40DashkalI do not want to die to that damn thing again
21:36.05Diaorestorative also works i believe
21:36.54DashkalI have mana problems when forced to heal, but that's only because my healing gear is blues still.  I'm a feral first and rarely get to roll on heal stuff
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21:45.43CIA-4403phanx * r78196 10Automaton/modules/Repair.lua:
21:45.43CIA-44Automaton:
21:45.43CIA-44- Repair: allow shift-clicking to bypass auto-repair behavior.
21:46.35AckisWorkVonhintenHOME`: I only need to drink when I have to buff the entire raid w/ fort and shadow
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21:50.08NeoTronDashkal: this week in SWP we had three druids get their 2nd, maybe 3rd, t6 belt :-/
21:50.20NeoTronand the tank cloak from twins went to a resto druid
21:50.42Pkekyo|http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4895989618&sid=1
21:51.28NeoTronat least out feral druid OT got the staff
21:51.36NeoTronnext time that'll go to a resto druid too
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21:52.20AckisWorkPkekyo|: about 90% of my guild raids in less than full clothing :P
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21:52.54nevcairielNeoTron: we lack vanq belts actually, want to trade against conq?
21:53.14NeoTronnevcairiel: please!
21:53.33NeoTrononly t6 piece I still need now
21:53.41DashkalNeoTron: Bah!  Mind you I can't be jealous.  I have no interest in putting in the time required to get into SWP
21:53.54NeoTronwe have benefitted from extra loot
21:54.11NeoTronour elemental shaman went enhance when we needed him to. now he's elemental again but go resto for twins
21:54.32NeoTronwith varied requirements (11 healers on twins, 5-6 on muru) it's nice when ppl can switch roles
21:55.01NeoTronand that resto druid with the cloak could likely tank SWP with a few upgrades if need be due to vacation or what not
21:56.08AckisWorkI got the healing staff from KJ :P
21:56.13AckisWorkthat's all that matters
21:59.01NeoTronand then quit! traitor!
22:00.43AckisWorktehehe
22:01.01AckisWorkmy guild leader is so pissed at me
22:01.28AckisWorkhttp://www.wowprogress.com/item/34337_Golden+Staff+of+the+Sin%27dorei World 11th for the staff heheh
22:01.29NeoTronI understand him to be honest
22:01.31AckisWorkman I'm an asshole
22:01.39AckisWorkif it wasn't for him I wouldn't have quit
22:01.48NeoTronwe had a guy pick up the crafted caster gloves  and caster shoulders of twins and then quit the next day
22:02.01NeoTronwhat clas do you play?
22:02.22NeoTronah [priest
22:02.41AckisWorkhe's a rude prick, has been an asshole to my gf for the longest time, etc... she makes a post about how he won't talk to her about issues (after trying to talk to him repeatidly, talking to other officers etc) and he tells her that she won't be allowed in raids until she apologizes to him rofl
22:02.52AckisWorkso I was like "I need a break" heh
22:03.28NeoTronwell then I understand
22:03.43NeoTrontoo bad you're not an alliance druid ;-)
22:03.49AckisWorkheh
22:03.54AckisWorkI wouldn't transfer, I'm too lazy
22:04.32AckisWorkI'll just quit
22:04.32DashkalYou need an alli druid?  *snickers*
22:04.32DashkalToo bad I don't have enough free time / inclination to actually raid
22:04.34NeoTronalliance RESTO druid.. with tier 6 gear ;-)
22:04.37AckisWorkthey need a package transfer deal... transfer toons, guilds, etc :P make it easier for me if I wanted to lol
22:04.54DashkalTier 6... just not happening on failstrom
22:04.59nevcairielis a alliance druid with t6 gear
22:05.08Funkeh`zomg
22:05.11NeoTronI can't wait to get my ring made (Loop of Forged Power)
22:05.19NeoTronand then transfer it back to alliance ...
22:05.30NeoTronneed to keep the time of that transfer sekrit!
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22:06.21nevcairieli'll camp your servers ah 24/7 until i have it!
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22:07.27nevcairieli still have to figure out which server that is, though
22:07.38luigithekidHello, need some help with Classtimer, anybody on that could give me a hand?
22:08.39Dashkalwtb west coast semi-casual alli _PvE_ guild...
22:09.02luigithekidSpecifically, custom timers
22:09.58AckisWorkclaps for luigithekid
22:10.10AckisWorkheh
22:10.56luigithekid?
22:11.12AckisWork"could give me a hand?"
22:11.17CIA-4403LordFarlander * r78197 10Mount/:
22:11.17CIA-44Mount:
22:11.17CIA-44- Obsolete, use Coconuts instead
22:11.34uliccoconuts == best mount ever
22:11.37AckisWorkLordFarlander: svn delete it?
22:11.43LordFarlanderYeah
22:12.12LordFarlanderThat way I can blow out LibLordFarlander-1.0 and LibPetAndMountDatabase-1.0 too :)
22:12.24LordFarlanderClean up my mess a bit lol
22:13.22AckisWorkmight be worthwhile to leave in for a week or so w/ an onenable message saying "use coconuts instead" then nuke it out
22:13.23CIA-4403LordFarlander * r78198 10LibPetAndMountDatabase-1.0/:
22:13.23CIA-44LibPetAndMountDatabase-1.0:
22:13.23CIA-44- Deleted, it is not used by anything anymore and has been obsoleted
22:14.27LordFarlanderPerhaps, but Coconuts has been officially released for that long now so I hope everyone has already found out about it since I renamed it on the release sites...
22:14.38AckisWorkahh ok
22:14.45AckisWorkNUKE THEM ALL imo
22:14.51LordFarlander:D  Yuup
22:14.52AvrysDoes seppyk hang out on IRC at all?
22:14.54AckisWorkglares at Babble-2.2
22:15.48CIA-4403LordFarlander * r78199 10LibLordFarlander-1.0/:
22:15.49CIA-44LibLordFarlander-1.0:
22:15.49CIA-44- Deleted, replaced by LibLordFarlander-2.0
22:16.10nevcairielwe'll deal with babble when the time comes
22:16.23LordFarlanderThere :)
22:16.27AckisWorknevcairiel: you know my passion against Babble-2.2 :P
22:16.42LordFarlanderIt is rather evil :p
22:16.44AckisWorkI just haven't QQed about it for a while
22:16.55nevcairielalot of addons still use the 2.2's sadly
22:17.12nevcairielbut we'll get to it eventually
22:17.20nevcairielsome other stuff is more important for now, though
22:17.24AckisWorkyes, but some of the 2.2 components aren't being used by anything... I know it's a work in progress
22:19.49nevcairielonce we have the other stuff dealt with, it'll hopefully be much easier to get stats on whats still being used
22:20.49nevcairieloh well, sleep time for me
22:21.41AckisWorknight sweet prince
22:29.36CIA-4403phanx * r78200 10TooltipExchange/ (6 files in 3 dirs):
22:29.36CIA-44TooltipExchange:
22:29.36CIA-44- Add heroic instance loot
22:29.36CIA-44- Add Sunwell Plateau and Zul'Aman raid loot
22:29.36CIA-44- Add searching for armor penetration, feral attack power, exptertise, haste rating, health regen, mana regen, and spell haste rating
22:29.38CIA-44- Fix searching for bonus healing
22:29.42CIA-44- Upgrade to LibPeriodicTable-3.1
22:31.18NeoTronI wonder what TooltipExchange is
22:31.38CIA-4403phanx * r78201 10TooltipExchange/:
22:31.38CIA-44TooltipExchange:
22:31.38CIA-44- Update svn properties
22:31.39CIA-4403danielbarron * r78202 10RaidBuffStatus/ (9 files):
22:31.39CIA-44RaidBuffStatus:
22:31.39CIA-44- Added a minimap button.
22:31.41CIA-44- Group 6 is again ignored due to popular demand.
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22:41.34Pkekyo|~seen thul
22:41.36purlthul is currently on #wowace (9d 1h 14m 12s). Has said a total of 18 messages. Is idling for 6d 4m 38s, last said: 'I'm happy'.
22:41.38Pkekyo|thul ping
22:41.55Aiianethat's a long idle. o.o
22:42.40Pkekyo|not really...my tower used to have a 99% uptime...add a long summer vacation to that and you've got a long idle :p
22:43.40Pkekyo|my webbrowser/irc client has started doing random crashes lately though, so I don't have the same IRC uptime anymore :<
22:44.09Pkekyo|anyone got a decent stream for Meet The Spartans?
22:45.56NeoTronAiiane: at least he's happy
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22:47.21Pkekyo|bah, browser threw another hissyfit...did anyone have that stream?
22:48.15NeoTronmy irc box reboots on occasion...
22:48.23NeoTronwhen the windows it's running on is restarted
22:48.33NeoTronvmware server => extra box for the kids to play windows on
22:48.37NeoTronhandy
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22:48.40Pkekyo|only have one box >.<
22:52.15PrimerIs there any option to make the "Player options" hover menu never appear? To only make the default hover appear?
22:52.46Primerfor example, when I have a target, the hover popup is always that "Player options" text
22:53.03Primerbut when I don't have a target and hover over a unit frame, I get the player name, their guild name, etc
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23:39.11Funkeh`ag`, you know, if all fubar plugins used the exact same functions in the exact same way
23:39.16Funkeh`life, would be..
23:39.27ag`yeah, easier :p
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23:44.37ZealotOnAStickYou know, if a lot of things done even with just addon distribution did things the same way, life would be way simpler.
23:44.58ZealotOnAStickprofalbert: Heya, been hoping to catch you
23:45.06profalberthm?
23:45.23ZealotOnAStickIf you would, go sign up on CurseForge as a user there so ckknight can add you as a contributor to Parrot there.
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23:45.58profalbertalright
23:46.11ckknightmy arm hurts
23:47.09Funkeh`masturbate less
23:48.11ckknightno, it's the left arm, my right's fine
23:48.54DashkalWhen trying to switch hands, remember to ease into it.  Your left just doesn't have the same endurance.
23:49.14ag`ckknight: well you could be left-handed
23:49.21ckknightno, I'm not a witch
23:50.06Arrowmasterpff you gota learn to be ambidextridus, otherwise how else are you going to opperate the mouse to change webpages
23:50.19CIA-4403ag * r78203 10FuBar2Broker/FuBar2Broker.lua:
23:50.19CIA-44FuBar2Broker:
23:50.19CIA-44- bugfix
23:51.09ckknightArrowmaster: well, I can do that in my left hand
23:51.15ckknightit's not that big an issue
23:51.15ag`I must be a witch then :(
23:51.20ckknightyep.
23:51.42Arrowmastermy mouse is designed for right hand operation
23:51.47ag`I made a flower out of pipe cleaners yesterday
23:52.15ckknightag`: witch!
23:52.18DashkalArrowmaster: build up dexterity with the feet, solves that problem
23:52.40ag`yeah I know :(
23:52.48ag`and a giraffe too
23:53.05Arrowmastermy left hand has enough dexterity, i play guitar hero
23:53.05ag`I use my mouse in right hand
23:53.25Funkeh`I use both hands
23:53.25ag`I tried going to left hand once but I got impatient
23:53.29Funkeh`at the same time
23:53.37ag`two mice
23:53.40ag`:P
23:53.41Funkeh`damn right
23:53.55profalbertckknight: I'm registered to curseforge now, shall I commit to both svn's?
23:53.56ag`windows doesn't support multiple cursors, does it? :P
23:54.04ckknightprofalbert: no, stick with wowace's
23:54.13ckknightcurseforge doesn't have its svn set up
23:54.14NeoTronso anyone know the minimum level to enter SWP?
23:54.19NeoTronis it 70 or 68 or?
23:54.23ckknightprofalbert: name's profalbert or what?
23:54.33profalbertckknight: yes
23:54.40ArrowmasterNeoTron: try to enter while not in a raid and youll find out
23:54.50ckknightk, you're marked as an author now
23:54.52profalbertfine by me. would hate to double-commit anyways
23:54.56profalbertthanks
23:55.06ckknightfrankly, it's not a big deal, not sure why zoas need it
23:55.10ckknightneeds*
23:59.38Stanzillaag`: k, error is gone :) Next thing: on load the GroupFu plugin shows "FuBar - GroupFu" as the text, if you then click on it to perform a roll and the roll times out it switches back to "Solo" which it should be from the start
23:59.52SoleYO

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