IRC log for #wowace on 20080709

00:02.04CIA-4403broliant * r78114 10FuBar_ConvergeFu/ (4 files):
00:02.04CIA-44FuBar_ConvergeFu: - Added guild announcement to inform a new recruit of the guild registration keyword.
00:02.04CIA-44- Added a 'message test' option to the Crowd Control tool.
00:02.04CIA-44- Revised the 'guildinfo' message to new format.
00:02.04CIA-44- Added functions to colour text.
00:02.04CIA-44- Added function to toggle the BusyResponder on/off.
00:02.08CIA-44- Linked the ToggleBusyResponder() function to the ctrl-click option of the OnClick event function.
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00:09.36CamciDoes the team raiting needs to be same raiting as the personal raiting to buy something? like if my PR is 1750 and team raiding is 1680 i cant get the item thats 1700 ?
00:10.03WraithanI have smart buff, and when Water Shield fades it pops up in big font saying it is gone
00:10.17selckini think only PR mathers for that
00:10.40Wraithanactually it does that for all missing buffs, but I hardly forget to buff my weapons
00:10.47CamciIt seems not... my fucking team mate made some games without asking me and lost a few.
00:10.59Camcii have over 1700 PR and got the points but it says
00:11.01Camcilet me see
00:11.25Camci"your personal raiting is too low for that item"
00:12.39selckindunno, i can't keep up with all the changes to avoid cheating, don't do arena
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00:18.00Mytosim of the opinion that resilience and arenas have killed pvp in warcraft
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00:18.21selckinresurrection timers killed pvp.
00:19.43Mytosit takes all the skill out of the game
00:20.22selckinthere is no such thing as 'skill'
00:20.43Mytosthere used to be
00:23.13WraithanIt seems arenas are more about gear and team composition than skill
00:23.40NeoTron_5v5 is a lot about skill
00:23.45NeoTron_2v2 is a lot about stupid
00:24.07WraithanI have never heard anything good about 5v5
00:24.25NeoTron_it's imho a bit more balanced tahn 2v2
00:24.38Wraithan3v3 is all I really hear about
00:24.40NeoTron_2v2 is almost entirely composition (resto druid ftw)
00:25.07Wraithanguildie got in a match 2restos druids vs resto druid and resto shaman
00:25.15NeoTron_wow. fun.
00:25.25NeoTron_that's retarded :P
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00:25.44selckinonly when neither refuse to quit
00:25.47selckinand it goes on for 4 hours
00:26.09Wraithanally quit after 35mins
00:26.17Wraithanmy buddy was drunk and didn't care
00:26.43selckinshould be a 10min timelimit
00:27.04CIA-4403morgalm * r78115 10Incubator/Core.lua:
00:27.04CIA-44Incubator:
00:27.04CIA-44- Fix nil error in 1066
00:29.35_rane"2v2 is almost entirely composition" bullshit
00:30.40selckinwho let the pvpers out of their cave
00:30.43CIA-4403funkydude * r78116 10StatBlock_Ammo/ (. StatBlock_Ammo.lua StatBlock_Ammo.toc): StatBlock_Ammo: Import. (locks, warr's, rogues & hunters)
00:31.01VonhintenHOME`it
00:31.30VonhintenHOME`It's pretty true... resto druids make arena unfair imo
00:31.32CIA-4403satrina * r78117 10SatrinaBuffFrame/SBFButtonFacade.lua:
00:31.32CIA-44SatrinaBuffFrame:
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00:31.39VonhintenHOME`resto druid+warlock = ugh
00:33.14CIA-4403satrina * r78118 10SatrinaBuffFrame/SatrinaBuffFrame.lua:
00:33.14CIA-44SatrinaBuffFrame:
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00:33.29Wraithanmy 5v5 team will be stupid probably, ele, resto, and enhance shaman, priest, lock
00:33.38Wraithanholy priest
00:33.45CIA-4403satrina * r78119 10SBFOptions/SatrinaBuffFrameOptions.lua:
00:33.45CIA-44SBFOptions:
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00:33.48Wraithanlock changes spec every day so not sure about him
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00:53.16p3limhow can i remove a SetTexCoord() ?
00:53.31p3limfrom a pre-made texture
00:53.38p3limor rather, what is the default values?
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01:07.07CIA-4403satrina * r78120 10SatrinaBuffFrame/ (SBFButtonFacade.lua SatrinaBuffFrame.lua):
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01:07.44CIA-4403satrina * r78121 10SBFOptions/SatrinaBuffFrameOptions.lua:
01:07.44CIA-44SBFOptions:
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01:10.37GnarfozFunkeh`: can I PM you some spam I'm not sure BadBoy is catching? I /rl'd just before, so maybe it wasn't ready yet, although the spam shows in my chat after several (annoying) "addon blah is now loaded" messages...
01:11.12Funkeh`yeah
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01:13.26CIA-4403funkydude * r78122 10StatBlockCore/StatBlockCore.lua: StatBlockCore: Add block enable/disable, perform a frame existence check for parenting.
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01:19.22Daemonahaha
01:19.29Daemonai just installed d2 again
01:19.48Daemonaplaying 800x600 fullscreen on 22" wide is cruel :X
01:20.33CIA-4403funkydude * r78123 10StatBlockCore/StatBlockCore.lua: StatBlockCore: tweak
01:21.06NeoTron_<PROTECTED>
01:21.31Daemonai'd kill for that feature -.-
01:21.56Daemonaguess i will just undust mit 19" standard 4:3 screen and hook it up and make it primary for d2 ^^
01:21.58vithoscheck your video card driver config
01:22.06vithosi know nvidia at least has different modes for that
01:22.18NeoTron_really?
01:22.32NeoTron_not up to the monitor?
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01:22.49NeoTron_I guess the gfx card could opt to use part of the screen
01:22.58vithoswell, i think either one could technically do it
01:23.16Spyderhellow?
01:23.35Spyderhi=?
01:23.50vithoshi.
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01:24.08Spyderwhat's
01:24.53Daemonawtf
01:24.59Daemonathe nvidia stuff can really do that
01:25.06CIA-4403funkydude * r78124 10BadBoy/BadBoy.lua: BadBoy: Updated Blacklist
01:25.09Daemonaoption is called "scale and keep aspect ratio"
01:25.22vithosi'm no liar
01:25.54Daemonadisplay -> flat screen control ->
01:26.01Daemonaone cookie for you vithos
01:28.42vithosnom nom nom
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01:29.56Pkekyo|g'mornin ladies
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01:44.44NeoTron_Daemona: sweet. will fix that when I get home
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01:52.32HjalteThis is brilliant. Epic gems are selling for 300-350g on my realm, and I usually have some of every type on the AH. Now someone's put three of every kind of epic gem on for 200g a piece. What an idiot.
01:52.54NeoTron_did you buy them?
01:52.57HjalteYes
01:52.58NeoTron_some ppl just want fast money
01:53.22NeoTron_despite gold inflation I dunno if I'll buy those new large bags
01:53.33NeoTron_I'm sure we'll see 22 slot + bags in wotlk pretty cheaply
01:53.42TekkubI wouldn't, but then I bought a bear mount :)
01:53.49Tekkuband I've never had bagspace issues
01:54.20NeoTron_I _just) bought a couple of 20 slot bags to make it 3
01:54.23NeoTron_(warlock)
01:54.28NeoTron_for 450ish g each
01:54.42NeoTron_anyhow, time to head home. ttfn
01:54.42Tekkub18-slut bags here on all my toonz
01:54.50Tekkubwell, 16's on some
01:54.57NeoTron_I don't have full 18s in the bank either
01:55.03Tekkub18's on the ones I actually play
01:55.24TekkubI only have 16's in the bank, usually the bound ones from my 18 upgrades :)
01:55.27Zyndromenetherweave bags go cheap
01:55.44Tekkubwell they only cost like 3-4g to make
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02:02.09CIA-4403Jmbtsang * r78125 10GridStatusKalecgos/GridStatusKalecgos.lua:
02:02.09CIA-44GridStatusKalecgos:
02:02.09CIA-44- Modified the handler so that it will activate right away instead of the next
02:02.09CIA-44timer tick. This will eliminate any initial flashing that occurs if you overlap
02:02.09CIA-44GridStatusKalecgos with the normal curse provider (with a higher priority).
02:03.29Funkeh`I'm such a 3 doors down geek :/
02:04.24Ellipsiso.o
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02:11.23CIA-4403p3lim * r78126 10oUF_P3lim/ (8 files in 3 dirs):
02:11.23CIA-44oUF_P3lim:
02:11.23CIA-44- Redid whole layout and dir system, still some work to do. Looks much better now, but there is a memory leak i still need to find
02:15.20Pkekyo|I fucking hate infected insect bites >.<
02:15.55Zyndromegimmie one on one of my legs
02:16.04Zyndromewho turns out so gruesome I have to amputate it
02:16.27Zyndromeso I have a valid reason not to help out cleaning the old barn at my grannies house in the coming days
02:16.29Pkekyo|don't like your legs?
02:16.30Pkekyo|rofl
02:16.46Pkekyo|just brake your wrist in the car door, it'll get you out of that, and it's not permanent
02:17.45Zyndromeor kick as hard as I can into the neighbours fence ... which I once did, so every time I tried to walk on my foot, it sent shockwaves of pain throughout my body :3
02:19.30Pkekyo|nah, you have to have something that's visible and obviously painful at the same time
02:20.14Pkekyo|put your wrist onto the frame of the car, and slam the car door shut
02:20.15Pkekyo|broke my arm that way as a kid...horribly painful the first day or so, then it was....okay...I guess...
02:20.22Pkekyo|painkillers ftw
02:20.51ZyndromeI had my fingers in between when they slammed the door shut, when I was a kid :<
02:21.02Zyndromefunny shit, it bent the metal
02:21.18Zyndromedoesn't like being indestructable
02:22.16Pkekyo|wtf, did your parents drive a fiat?
02:22.35Ellipsissneaks up behind Pkekyo| and tickles him
02:22.39Zyndromeuhm no, we had a shitty old WV bus :p
02:23.02Pkekyo|does a backflip and plonks Ellipsis from behind
02:23.06Pkekyo|lmao, figures...
02:23.27erikhZyndrome: heh, my aunt did that to me numerous times when I was really young
02:23.29Pkekyo|I actually bent the metal of a fiat when 'I' slammed my head into it
02:23.37erikhI'm 30, and she still apologizes to me when I see her
02:24.21ZyndromeoO
02:25.34Zyndromehow I still live is a mystery ... cracked my forehead when I was like 5-6 years old ... don't try to headbutt a metal swing with people on it
02:25.46Zyndromeone of those 2-seat ones...
02:26.48Tekkubheadbutting a metal swing around the age 6 eh....
02:27.14erikhyep, it happens to the best of us
02:27.22Zyndromemore like: I was trying to throw a bucket of sand at my friend on it :D
02:27.25Tekkubwhen I was about 6 I tripped over a metal wireframe chairs and tried to catch myself with my teeth
02:27.26Zyndromedidn't go as planned
02:27.45Tekkubthree of my top front teeth are all out of allignment cause of it
02:27.48Ellipsisyou guys were clumsy little noobs
02:28.15erikhyour brother cracks you in the nuts with a baseball bat, you're 12, on a farm, on a horse, and think you're the lone ranger so you give the horse a swift kick in the haunch, it launches you backwards, nearly crushes you with it's hoof but your rabid mother beats the shit out of it before it can come all the way down...
02:28.26Tekkuband then there was the time I tried to dive under an endtable to hide, but missed an went forehead first... I have a dent in the center of my forehead
02:29.12erikhoh yeah, you decide to turn a kids swing set into a waterslide with a hose, and it works a little too well, you slide all the way across the backyard, hands out first and slam your fingers right into the concrete porch
02:29.14TekkubI could probably put one of those forehead jews over it, heh
02:29.29Zyndromewut
02:29.45Ellipsiso.O
02:29.51erikhof course, the only finger you actually break is your middle finger, so you get a cast a week before you start junior high that makes it look like you're flipping everyone off
02:29.59erikhwhich you leverage with new teachers to great effect
02:30.07CIA-4403kurax * r78127 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/ (6 files): AtlasLoot_BCInstances: Locales update
02:30.09Tekkubsilp-n-slide in the mountains where there are no level surfaces :)
02:30.37erikhinterestingly enough, as clutzy as my genes say I should be that's the only bone I've ever broke
02:30.40erikhn
02:30.54Tekkub<--- never broken a bone or had stiches
02:31.03erikhI think that's god's version of poetic justice
02:31.16EllipsisI broke bones all the time, but I don't have any scars to show for it
02:31.18Tekkubtho I did come damn close once when I ran into a girl leaving the lunchroom and her TEETH cut my eyebrow
02:31.20EllipsisI suppose that's a good thing
02:31.31Ellipsiswait, how short were you?
02:31.46Pkekyo|lolwut
02:32.00Pkekyo|I should alt-tab less often, this conversation took an unsuspected turn
02:32.02Zyndromelets see ... I'm like 10, some poor sod is mowing the grass outside our apartment-building, I am outside playing and I stand behind the machine he's driving, and the exit for the grass is pointing the same way... suddenly, A HUGE RED CROQUET BALL COMES FLYING OUT OF IT AND HITS ME IN THE DEAD CENTER OF MY CHIN
02:32.02Tekkubheh, it was actaully the girl that lived at the end of my block too
02:32.08Zyndromeheadshotted :C
02:32.18erikhI have a scar from an over-itchy piece of chicken pox and another from when I caught my foot in the back wheel of one of those foot-powered scooters when I was 7-8
02:32.20kenlyricBOO
02:32.20Tekkuboh and the time I stepped on a rusty nail in the playground, IN SHOES
02:32.22kenlyricM
02:32.23erikhthat's it I think.
02:32.24Pkekyo|speaking of girls cutting with teeth... vampiric fetishes are fun :p
02:32.33Tekkubit went between two toes and didn't hurt me at all :)
02:32.58kenlyricI paid for a break and scar free chilhood with hepatitis when I was 10.
02:33.01Pkekyo|I have a bloody scar from massacring my CD player :p
02:33.07erikhkenlyric: ouch!
02:33.19Ellipsisgrats on suck kenlyric
02:33.32kenlyricit did make my immune system hardcore.
02:33.38Tekkubmy only scars are from xacto knives and paper cutters... fucking hobbies are a bitch
02:33.44kenlyricthoug when I do get sick, it's terrible, like right now.
02:33.57erikhkenlyric: alright captain roberts
02:34.04Tekkuboh, well and cat claws
02:34.08erikhsorry, DREAD PIRATE ROBERTS
02:34.14Ellipsisnot gonna lie, I have a chicken pox scar too...but nobody ever notices it
02:34.19Ellipsiswins?
02:34.20Tekkub<--- scars really easily
02:34.32Pkekyo|chicken pox scar? lolwut?
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02:34.47Wraithan~seen Tornhoof
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02:34.53Pkekyo|I hardly ever get scars...
02:34.53Pkekyo|come to think of it, I only ever get scars when the cut is more than 1 cm deep :/
02:35.13erikhmy wife sees my scar.. if anyone else saw it I wouldn't have a wife to show it to
02:35.26EllipsisPkekyo|: y'know, when you get chicken pox and one of the spots is really really really really itchy?
02:35.27Pkekyo|lmao erikh
02:35.33Pkekyo|erikh: got yourself neutered?
02:35.39Pkekyo|Ellipsis: can't say I do
02:35.41Zyndromeheh... when I fell onto a sharp rock and it hit my knee, it hurt .. but not as much when the wound got infected and my whole knee got swollen, I had to drag my ass around the apartment, and it was a world of pain to just stand up to piss, until I eventually ended up on the hospital
02:35.42Ellipsisand you just can't stop scratching it 'cause you're a little kid and you don't really know any better
02:35.44erikhchicken pox causes sterility now? :)
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02:36.03WraithanTornhoof: Hey, PM me if you get back to keys, I am workin on a patch to YATA to make it so it does left click totem stomping in the macro, and right click totemic call, going to do it proper with a setting and all, but wanted to know if that is something you would consider adding
02:36.06Pkekyo|erikh: how the hell should I know?
02:36.19Pkekyo|04:35erikhmy wife sees my scar.. if anyone else saw it I wouldn't have a wife to show it to <--- I just assumed :P
02:36.30TekkubI have a pair of cat claw scars across my right arm from where a cat tried to jump from my desk to my lap, missed, and hung off the side of my chair by only the claws he caught in my arm
02:36.42Tekkubthat was... shit, almost 4 years ago
02:36.51Ellipsisproof that cats are evil
02:37.05Tekkuboh no, he was super cute... and defective
02:37.13Pkekyo|I never got diseases such as chicken pox etc...it's weird...either I get so sick I hardly bloody make it through alive, or I just get horribly injured from blunt force trauma :p
02:37.18Ellipsisthe cute ones are teh worst...that's how they get you
02:37.22Zyndromeya know, I sent my brother to the hospital once, cause I thought I was a genious throwing near boiling hot water on him
02:37.35Mytosi have claw scars all the way up my left side in intervals, cat decided it wanted to climb me and i was getting out of the shower
02:37.41Tekkubhe'd sit in your lap and if you stopped petting him he'd stand up, crane his head backwards, and stare at you till you pet him again
02:37.50Ellipsisawwwww
02:37.55Ellipsishow can you resist that?
02:38.00Tekkubpush him off you lap and he'd bounce off the ground and back into it
02:38.02WraithanI have a couple large scars (2in in diameter at the widest part, 1in at the thinnest) from rolling a three wheel motorcycle onto myself
02:38.14Wraithan3rd degree burns, I have no feeling there now
02:38.37Pkekyo|how the hell did you manage to do that Wraithan? :/
02:38.41Wraithanon the inside of my left arm luckly, so I don't have to explain them to everyone I meet, just half of them
02:38.47WraithanPkekyo|: ever ride a three wheeler?
02:38.58Zyndromea trike!
02:39.02erikhoops, sorry, I have surgery scars as well!
02:39.17Pkekyo|Wraithan: only those little plastic thingies as a kid :p
02:39.25erikhbtw: if you have appendicitis, make sure if it bursts and you go septic that you don't have a full stomach!
02:39.25Wraithanerikh: bah have several of those, they don't count unless they are greusome
02:39.26Pkekyo|...road those after I was a kid too though...
02:39.48Ellipsisso, uh, don't eat if you think you have appendicitis? o.O
02:39.54erikhheh
02:39.55WraithanPkekyo|: they are really easy to flip
02:40.16Zyndromehttp://www.allgardenfun.com/images/plum-zeus-large.jpg <- one of the seats of the one on the far left hit my skull at full force when I was a little kiddo
02:40.16erikhmy "project vomit" trinket popped and I hit a window from a across the room w/ dinner
02:40.37erikhanyways, I gotta go run my new toon through UBRSv2
02:40.38erikhbbl
02:40.38Wraithanerikh: mine was burst for 4 days before I went into the hospitol, thought it was the flu
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02:40.55Wraithanended up with minor blood poisoning
02:40.57erikhouch, yeah, we got right to the hospital after that happened
02:41.02erikhhad no idea it was the appendix.
02:41.08Wraithanme either.
02:41.10Wraithanlol
02:41.17erikhi just had "stomach cramps" for a week or so
02:41.19Wraithanno pain for me, my tolerance is too high
02:41.37erikhwhich while abnormal on a man, were not abnormal for someone with a geek's diet
02:41.42Pkekyo|I don't get it...I get the mono and nearly die (dehydration), but I always survive when some tosser runs me over with his/her car... (trust me, happens alot)
02:42.02WraithanI have split bones in my wrist and thought it was sprained
02:42.13WraithanPkekyo|: never been hit by a car, but I ahve had mono!
02:42.15EllipsisPkekyo|, how many times have you been run over?
02:42.22Pkekyo|Ellipsis: this year? :P
02:42.27Ellipsisum, sure
02:42.40Pkekyo|only two, but it's only half-time
02:42.50WraithanEllipsis: better question, Pkekyo|: wtf are you doing in the road so much to get hit by cars.
02:43.03Wraithandrink less.
02:43.05Wraithan:D
02:43.08Pkekyo|Wraithan: has something to do with drivers not fancying to brake when I cross the road
02:43.21Wraithanor more, that way you can't make it to the road heh
02:44.04Pkekyo|I hit peak the winter of '05/'06 though...
02:44.04Pkekyo|got hit by cars three days in a bloody row
02:44.17Wraithanstay inside.
02:44.21Wraithanlol
02:45.58Pkekyo|day 1 - got hit whilst crossing the road, rolled across the hood of the car and was laying on the windshield for quite a distance before the cunt decided to stop the car (afterwards she commenced blaming me for her not braking when I crossed the road)
02:45.58Pkekyo|day 2 - got backed over by a big truck when I was returning from the hospital
02:45.58Pkekyo|day 3 - my mate hit me with his car "for laughs"
02:46.31Zyndromethat's what friends are for!
02:46.38Pkekyo|indeed
02:47.06Pkekyo|was a rough week...breakups and beatdowns was also involved lol
02:47.18Ellipsispets Pkekyo|
02:48.27Pkekyo|first I got beat up by a large group of dongjobs, then hit by a car the next day...very same day my girlfriend dumped me, and the two remaining days followed as described :p
02:48.30WraithanGirlfriend dumped me today, so i am going out dancing to distract myself
02:48.46Funkeh`sucks huh
02:48.57Wraithanyeah, more time for WoW and Work
02:49.34WraithanLooking at it that way because sucks thinking about the fact that the girl I love more than anything or one else in the world has rejected me
02:49.36Pkekyo|Wraithan: dancing? stop being a pussy about it, go get shitfaced
02:49.54WraithanPkekyo|: possibly, later, with ex from a while back
02:50.07Pkekyo|Wraithan: don't
02:50.17Wraithandon't get laid?
02:50.18Pkekyo|I've been down that road...time and time again...it's never a pretty sight :p
02:50.33Pkekyo|by all means, get laid...just stay away from ex girlfriends...it never ends well
02:50.35Wraithaneh, she just got dumped 3 weeks ago by her boyfriend
02:50.50Wraithanbeen trying for a booty call for 2 of those weeks
02:51.39Wraithanand I don't really care to hang out with her that much lol, she is annoying as hell lol
02:53.06WraithanI am pretty stoked, got a new mouse, Logitech MX518
02:53.11Wraithanit is soooo smooth
02:53.12Pkekyo|well, whatever you fancy, just saying :p
02:53.20Pkekyo|yeah, the logitech MX series is bloody brilliant
02:53.33WraithanI need a good mouse pad now though
02:53.38Ellipsismx revolution ftw imo kthx
02:54.04Pkekyo|MX1000<3
02:54.05WraithanEh, I paid half the price of that
02:54.22Wraithanbut I agree the revolution is nice
02:54.34Ellipsismine was free...birthday gifts ftw
02:54.43WraithanAh nice
02:55.03Wraithanbirthday I got a new mobo, since mine had died
02:55.30Pkekyo|come to think about it...don't think I got anything for my birthday actually :p
02:55.31Wraithanhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188024&Tpk=EVGA%2b780I
02:55.43Pkekyo|ooh, ooh! that's not right!  I got brownies :D
02:56.07Pkekyo|brownies be bloody brilliant
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02:58.09Wraithanbesides it isn't just any dancing, I am going out blues dancing
02:58.12Wraithanever been?
02:59.03Pkekyo|can't say I have...I dance like a mongoloid gorilla in a wheelchair :D
02:59.19Wraithanever seen a stripper dance?
02:59.30Pkekyo|well, except swing...I can dance swing for some reason
02:59.31Wraithaneven just in movies?
02:59.34Pkekyo|sure
02:59.42Wraithanyeah, and the guy is the pole.
02:59.52Pkekyo|oh, been there, done that then
03:00.07Wraithanexcept it is to blues music and 'socially acceptable'
03:00.09Wraithan:D
03:01.02Wraithanonly problem is it has been several months since I have been
03:01.13Wraithanmy girlfriend wasn't into dancing
03:01.20Wraithanother than square, which is quite fun
03:01.23Pkekyo|rofl
03:01.23Pkekyo|did that at my ex's school's bloody christmas dance years ago
03:02.01Pkekyo|it seemed to revolt the teachers ^^
03:02.27Wraithanyeah this wouldn't be acceptable at schools at all
03:03.01Wraithannice thing is there is always a pretty girl willing to help someone who has forgotten some of the moves remember
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03:03.31Pkekyo|it was all in good fun...everyone was bloody shitfaced anyways :p
03:03.46Wraithanlo
03:03.56Pkekyo|this country's drinking culture is ridiculous beyond belief
03:04.04Ellipsislicks Pkekyo|
03:04.06Wraithanlater bro, heading out friend I am going with should be here soon
03:04.11WraithanPkekyo|: what country?
03:04.40Pkekyo|"Welcome to Norway. Our cultural heritage involves drinking, smashing, raiding and making weird cheese."
03:04.41Pkekyo|:p
03:04.52HjalteSame in Denmark.
03:05.01Pkekyo|the country where kids get shitfaced and screw around from the age of 12
03:06.34Pkekyo|the country where kids get their own bloody cellphone the first day of school, and will continously, without fail scream "...but daddy! but daddy! blablabedibla blabediblablabla" anywhere you might find them
03:06.53Pkekyo|when I think about it, this country is pretty much on it's arse
03:07.02Pkekyo|oh well, atleast we have our oil :p
03:08.18Pkekyo|huh...it's 5am allready
03:08.18Pkekyo|wtf happened?
03:08.26Gnarfoztime went by
03:08.38Pkekyo|how? when?
03:08.45Gnarfozjust now
03:09.28Pkekyo|don't you mean 'just then'?
03:10.00Pkekyo|you can't say 'just now' without the specific period of time you're refering to has passed :p
03:10.28Pkekyo|s/has passed/passing/
03:10.47Fisker-i leave no survivors Gnarfoz
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03:17.48Pkekyo|oh screw this, only two hours until I've gotta be up and about again...I'm off to bed
03:17.48Pkekyo|g'nite ladies
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03:32.32CIA-44LibLordFarlander-2.0:
03:32.32CIA-44- Fixed GetItemIDFromLink
03:32.32CIA-44- Changed GetButtonOptionArgs to GetButtonOptionGroup, changed some of the values it takes to be generically named
03:32.32CIA-44- Fixed unlearning skill notification
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03:35.09CIA-44Baldrick:
03:35.09CIA-44- Updated to get button group from LibLordFarlander-UI-2.0
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03:37.50CIA-44Coconuts:
03:37.50CIA-44- Updated to get button group from LibLordFarlander-UI-2.0
03:37.50CIA-44- Changed use of GetZoneText() to GetRealZoneText()
03:37.50CIA-44- Fixed riding skill not being set if the UI is reloaded
03:37.51CIA-44- Options will now say what they're set to when using the chat command
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03:38.53CIA-44MiniPet:
03:38.53CIA-44- Updated to get button group from LibLordFarlander-UI-2.0
03:38.53CIA-44- Changed use of GetZoneText() to GetRealZoneText()
03:38.53CIA-44- Options will now say what they're set to when using the chat command
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04:04.16CIA-44oUF_P3lim:
04:04.16CIA-44- Updates, not tested, stay to the release on WoWInterface.com
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04:11.02CIA-44oUF_P3lim:
04:11.02CIA-44- More updates, not tested, stay to the release on WoWInterface.com
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04:19.53CIA-44Stable:
04:19.53CIA-44- Moved registering of options to OnInitialize
04:19.53CIA-44- Options now say if they're on or not in the chat options
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04:35.49TekkubCan't contact the database server: Access denied for user 'wikiuser'@'localhost' (using password: YES) (localhost)
04:36.05Tekkubsomething tells me that is very bad information for an error page to give me
04:36.59TekkubKaelten!!!!!!!!!! WIX THE FIKI
04:37.08HjalteBut it doesn't tell you the password, aye?
04:37.16Kaelten...
04:37.29Tekkubwhat if the password is "YES" ?
04:38.16Hjaltetrue true
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04:38.21Tekkub"WowAce Wiki has a problem" <-- that's the first step...
04:38.32Tekkubbitching at Kaelten == step two
04:39.25Kaelten:P
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04:39.36Kaeltenserver locked up
04:39.39Kaeltencalling the hoster
04:39.52Tekkubchop chop lollypop
04:40.05TekkubI have to use google cache here :P
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04:43.33Fisker-slaps Kaelten around a bit with a large trout
04:43.36Fisker-also Tekkub
04:43.42Fisker-that 1 billion gold
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04:47.04Kaelten~lart Fisker-
04:47.04purlbeats Fisker- senseless with a 50lb Unix manual
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04:52.24vithosforums down? Table './smfdb/smf_sessions' is marked as crashed and should be repaired
04:53.51Kaeltentrying to get the database and all fixed now.
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04:57.45vithosman i hate when we log in alt paladins to buff
05:03.27RaydenUwhat's standard tip for +35 agi to 2h?
05:03.33RaydenUit doesn't look that rare
05:04.18vithos5 or 10g probably
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05:05.48Gnarfoznone at all
05:06.24Gnarfoz(heh, funny how in US WoW, enchanters and the like can probably actually make money with their profession ^^)
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05:07.29vithosi don't really tip because it's rare or not, just for the time and effort to do the enchant right then
05:08.27RaydenUyeah but if it's a 1500g world drop pattern they paid for...
05:08.37RaydenUtipping is a way to help them with that
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05:16.59Aiianenot to mention the (literally) 1000s of gold it takes to craft the rods needed to do top-level enchants :P
05:21.49Nechckncome now... you should always tip something
05:22.10Aiianeagrees
05:22.11Nechckneven if it's to cover the person's 2 minutes of dealing with you
05:22.34NechcknNow... people who want mats and a tip and actively require it in /2 is another story
05:22.38AiianeThe only enchants I'll refuse to do without payment are ones which require an eternium rod
05:22.40NechcknI won't even talk to them
05:23.00Aiianeanything else I just say "whatever you want to tip"
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05:23.17Swtz~seen Ackis
05:23.19purlackis <n=asdf@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 2d 4h 16m 50s ago, saying: 'ahh figured it out, I'm kinda smart'.
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05:23.35purlackiswork <i=8ee557fb@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 7h 58s ago, saying: 'if they're too low they're grey?'.
05:24.16AiianeBut in general
05:24.40Aiianeif you can afford the 500+g in mats most eternium rod enchants require
05:24.49Aiianethen you should probably be able to afford at least a 5g tip
05:24.57NechcknIf I need an enchant I will always get the mats...then say I need XXX, providing materials and gratuity.
05:25.40NechcknI usually get anything I need that way...  on my enchanters I basically offer stuff for free when skilling up and dont ask for tips or anything
05:25.59NechcknI have actually made way more that way then if I had charged for them to begin with
05:26.26NechcknNow super high end, I'll do... if they have the mats... if they don't tip, they go on my black list
05:26.41Nechcknwell, as "super high end" as I have, anyway  =)
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05:30.06Gnarfoz<+Nechckn> come now... you should always tip something <-- see what I mean? it's just a mentality thing :>
05:31.17Gnarfoztipping is almost mandatory over there, while here it's still more of a thing you do when you're especially satisified with the service you got - how can you excel at pressing a button to enchant an item for someone in a computer game ;D
05:31.22Gnarfozjust saying ;>
05:31.30Gnarfoz(I'm an enchanter, too, btw :()
05:31.38Nechcknseeing how they could be doing something to make cash... it's not like some company is paying the person to Enchant your stuff
05:32.18Aiianeexactly
05:32.20NechcknI can understand both arguments, actually... but since I do enchant, I know what a bear it can be if people just "abuse you"
05:33.12NechcknPlus, when I want an enchant, I want it- Now, as compared to waiting for some sap to have to advertise  =)
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05:40.07Orionshockanything wrong with wowace site?
05:41.27Aiianelooks like something's wrong with squid o.o
05:44.02Orionshockanyone know of an instance where GetTradeSkillLine() would return the specilization of the craft?
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05:53.37Groktari love the changes to spirit
05:53.39Groktarhttp://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Daggerspine&n=Flak
05:53.45Groktarlook at my unbuffed mp5, rofl
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05:56.42CIA-44libdatabroker-1-1: 03Tekkub 07master * r6684021 10/: Simplify readme, all docs have been moved into GitHub wiki pages
05:56.43CIA-44libdatabroker-1-1: 03Tekkub 07master * r1ec2d8b 10/: Documentation on how to use LDB data (for display addons)
05:57.03Tekkubdamn readme was getting too long :)
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06:03.50Kaeltenhuzah
06:05.08Tekkubfixt?
06:05.17Kaeltenyep
06:05.21Kaeltendamndest thing
06:05.31Tekkubso Kman, what you think of LDB? :)
06:05.33Kaeltenseveral dozen tables crashed and a user lost access to its db
06:05.43Kaeltenhaven't looked at it yet
06:05.44Kaeltenwhats it do
06:05.46Kaelten?
06:05.47TekkubLOK AT IT
06:05.53Kaeltengotta link?
06:05.57Kaeltenfor us who don't run git
06:06.02Tekkubhttp://github.com/tekkub/libdatabroker-1-1/tree/master
06:06.13Tekkubyou don't have to use git :P
06:06.20Tekkubthough you SHOULD
06:06.27KaeltenI use hg :)
06:07.06Kaeltennow thats a neat idea
06:07.09Kaeltencould be cool
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06:07.36Tekkubyou should change your addons over to it
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06:07.41Kaeltenlol
06:07.45Tekkubif you ever work on your addons anymore :P
06:07.53KaeltenI do a little here and there
06:08.09Tekkubless there, more here
06:08.49KaeltenI'm going to do some new versions of onebag and kci sooner or later
06:09.01Firedancertekkub is full of truthiness today I see :p
06:09.06Tekkubless later more sooner (at least with OB)
06:09.26TekkubOB's one of the few Ace2 addons I have left
06:09.33Kaeltenhehe
06:09.40TekkubI thought I'd maybe just rewrite it... but then I looked in your code...
06:09.49Tekkuband I couldn't figure out how any of it worked...
06:09.53Kaeltenits good code
06:09.55Kaeltenhehe
06:10.21Kaeltenhasn't had any major changes in going on 2 years
06:10.23Kaeltenlol
06:10.54Tekkubyea I just wanted to fix the bit with bags not greying out items you've attached to a mail
06:11.06Tekkuband the whole "bag break" not working correctly in the bank
06:11.10Kaeltenya... that honestly should work...
06:11.14Kaeltennot sure about bag break
06:11.36Tekkubit doesn't work until the first different bag
06:11.37Kaeltena guy tracked me down on ims today to debug a onebag issue for him
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06:11.57Tekkublike if you use 4 Netherweave Bags they don't break, but then your herb bag does
06:12.02Tekkuband everything after it
06:12.03Kaeltenon some ati graphics cards with a certain driver version the blp file displays wrong
06:12.17Tekkubyea retard ex-roomie hit that one
06:12.32Tekkuball cause he can't leave his shit be
06:12.37Kaeltenreplacing it with a copy of the tga file
06:12.45Kaeltenit won't look quite the same but it works
06:13.10Tekkubseriously, get some addon work done
06:13.15KaeltenI'd love to honestly
06:13.27Tekkubconvince NeT to adopt google's 20% time for you to get some addon shit done
06:13.33Kaeltenlol
06:13.40Kaeltenmaybe after august he'd.... maybe go for it
06:13.48Kaeltenbut really I'd rather curse not own my addons
06:13.57Tekkubpoint out how successful google is
06:14.29Tekkub20% doesn't imply ownership :P
06:14.46Kaeltenheh
06:14.50Tekkubgoogle did it so their people could work on open source projects as well as internal ones
06:15.05Kaeltentrue
06:15.15Kaeltenright now I'm kinda avoiding wow, I'd love to play some but I don't want to play on the server with my soon to be ex wife
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06:16.33KaeltenI need to find a new server to play on
06:16.52Tekkubso transfer :P
06:16.54Tekkubcome to A52 :P
06:19.01KaeltenA52?
06:19.37Tekkubarea 52
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06:21.50Kaeltenhrm
06:21.54Kaeltenfaction?
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06:23.16erikhI used to work for a place that did the whole 20% thing
06:23.24erikhactually, two place
06:23.31erikhif they're really behind it, it works great
06:23.31Tekkubally mainly, but I want to switch to whorde
06:23.43erikhwhen they're not, it's a very frustrating situation
06:24.08erikhthe second they find out you're not "making them money" they will find something, no matter how menial, for you to do
06:24.32syerenTransfer to Tichondrius!
06:24.36syerenPVP Capital of the World!
06:24.49erikhmal'ganis is good for pvp too.
06:25.01Kaeltenno pvp  thanks
06:25.12syerenWell transfer anywhere then.
06:25.18erikhand that battlegroup is so populated you never have to wait for queues
06:25.21Tekkub<-- doesn't believe in PvP
06:25.23syerenThe scripts stay the same no matter where you are :P
06:25.45erikh<--- believes in getting gear without spending 2-3 hours finding 4 green machines to generate a repair bill for him
06:25.53erikhthe rest of pvp can suck it
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06:26.36erikhanyways, why I came here... is there an alternative way of making bug reports than using the forums?
06:27.25erikhlike, something that doesn't require me to hit refresh several times a day
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06:31.21Orionshockerikh: monitor the thread and wait for an email?
06:32.05erikhyeah, I guess that'll have to do.
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06:50.46cnc|workyo peeps
06:51.12Wraithansup cnc|work
06:51.42cnc|workjust arrived at work :'(
06:51.50cnc|workain't it midnight where you are Wraithan ? :p
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06:52.56I440rdoes recount use ace? i have recount installed and i got it checked off in my addon list and when i log in and type /recount show or wahtever it just gives me the Type '/help' for a listing....
06:53.09I440rdo i have some unstated dependency missing?
06:53.24OrionshockI440r: where did u download it?
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06:53.54Orionshocktry from files.wowace.com
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06:54.25I440ris curse.com a trustworthy source?
06:54.37Orionshockusualy, but iirc main dev is out of wowace
06:54.39I440ri dont like the idea of their "installer"
06:54.56Orionshock...  go to the website "files.wowace.com" and look for it in the listing
06:55.06Orionshocku don't have to use WAU, ie the installer
06:55.16cnc|workI440r: you don't have to use their installer
06:55.22I440ri never do :)
06:56.17I440rok. thers recount and recount2
06:56.29I440roh its pre alpha nvm
06:56.34Orionshocktry recound2?
06:56.48Orionshocki don't use dmg meters anymore, so im abit out of the loop
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06:58.37I440rok, mrecount is working now ty :)
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08:59.12Tekkubwheee, updates to the LDB API docs, for those who care.... http://github.com/tekkub/libdatabroker-1-1
08:59.41Elkanoupdates are dangerous! ;)
09:00.39durcyndocumentation, surely you jest
09:01.53Elkanowell, you risk it becoming up2date ;)
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09:02.12Tekkub:P
09:02.13Elkanoand Tekkub, text isn't required...
09:02.26Tekkubyes it is :)
09:02.33Elkanothough a DO without anything in it to show makes no sense
09:02.42Elkanobut in theory, no it isn't
09:03.03Tekkubif it doesn't have text, well then it's a launcher because it's not provididng data, which is the whole point of the data feed spec
09:03.21Elkanoit could be providing data via the tooltip
09:03.57nevcairielimho the launcher should support a tooltip too
09:04.14Tekkublauncher could, I just didn't write it in
09:04.25Elkanoimho it shouldn't be seperated specs at all
09:05.23Tekkubthe whole point is to get people to make a distinction so that people that want a minimap button menu could have one, and people that want a cluster of buttons could have that
09:05.27Elkanoan nothing should be required per spec; it's common sense that implicitly generates this requirements
09:05.46Elkanoeg you could also use a lable as launcher
09:05.47Tekkuband not have the confusion that we're already seeing with Fu plugins where we don't know if they provide data or not
09:06.20Tekkubyes but, first off, common sense doesn't actually happen
09:06.31cnc|workenforce common sense :p
09:06.35Tekkuband second, if they're not written down people won't implement them in the displays
09:06.46durcynElkano: the more descriptors the are, the better sorting can be done.  if a display addon wants launchers only, it can get them. if another one wants data only, it can get them, without having to configure every single source on every single display, so why not make things easier from the get-go?
09:06.59Tekkubmy specs are just a starting reccomendation, people can do whatever the fuck they want
09:07.20Tekkubbut I'm not going to sit down and cover every possible maybe it's feature one addon might use
09:07.24Elkanostill, I would merge the specs... if you want to go with the launcher attribute it's fine but it's still only an attribute
09:07.31Tekkubthen we just have FuBar again :P
09:08.09Elkanoyeah, but I see no reason in splitting the specs, just say that the launcher attribute is commonly set to indicate it does only provide a OnClick handler
09:08.44Tekkubhrm...
09:09.21Elkanosince currently most of the stuff is presented twice, once for each spec
09:10.13Tekkubpresent your case in the thread, we'll discuss :)
09:10.24Tekkubactually, let me make a thread specifically for LDB
09:11.21Elkanoand the current specs around OnTooltipShow, OnEnter and tooltip is a bit disturbing
09:11.39Tekkubwhy?
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09:12.26TekkubI use OnEnter, funkey wants to controll his tooltips in SBC, someone else mentioned a static tooltip text option for addons that just want a hint or such
09:12.34Kuosi12:07:24 < Elkano> still, I would merge the specs... if you want to go with the launcher attribute it's fine but it's still only an attribute
09:12.37Kuosi12:07:24 < Elkano> still, I would merge the specs... if you want to go with the launcher attribute it's fine but it's still only an attribute
09:12.40Kuosi12:07:24 < Elkano> still, I would merge the specs... if you want to go with the launcher attribute it's fine but it's still only an attribute
09:12.43Kuosi12:07:24 < Elkano> still, I would merge the specs... if you want to go with the launcher attribute it's fine but it's still only an attribute
09:12.47Kuosioh
09:12.47Tekkub...
09:12.49Kuosisry bout that :(
09:12.56Elkanoyou fail at c&p
09:13.06Kuosino i fail at cleaning mouse :O
09:13.14Elkano^^
09:13.20TekkubElkano, OnEnter would be a required think for clickable tooltips to work too, the abominations that they are..
09:13.31Kuosiirssi+mousescroll = you get taht
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09:16.53Elkanohmm... the tooltips could turn out to be a problem in case the displays don't implement all three ways :/
09:17.25Elkanobut at least I now understand the need for these ^^
09:17.27Tekkubwell, that'll be up to people to complain to the display's dev if the issues crop up
09:17.49Tekkubideally though, the OnTooltipShow is the one everyone should implement
09:18.14TekkubOnEnter should be preffered over that if present, just due to the clicky tips
09:18.39Tekkubbut the display might give the user an option in how it anchors the tip, or let the addon handle it
09:19.03ElkanoOnTooltipShow = function(frame) frame:AddLine("Your display sucks!") end ;)
09:19.16Tekkubthat'd probably be the best way... "Anchor to frame", "Attach to mouse", "Let plugin manage"
09:23.06Tekkubokey elky, http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14165.0
09:23.10Tekkubhave your say :)
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11:29.41KriLL3anyone knows of a good kos/crafter list addon(s)?
11:30.09KriLL3don't like adding all crafters I know to my buddy list, I don't need to know when they log on, and I have yet to find a good kos addon
11:30.13Aiianenotepad? :P
11:30.18Aiiane(sorry, being facetious)
11:30.32KriLL3I'll take your apology into consideration
11:30.36KriLL3;)
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11:36.33selckinuhm :g
11:36.37selckin<PROTECTED>
11:36.59cnc|workinterface menu -> social tab -> enable guild alerts
11:38.27CIA-4403diablohu * r78140 10AtlasLoot/Constants/constants.cn.lua:
11:38.27CIA-44AtlasLoot:
11:38.28CIA-44- zhCN update
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11:44.04OrionshockKriLL3: if you both have the addon, guildcraft works :D
11:44.36erikhis there a bot in here that can provide a description for a mod?
11:45.06Orionshockerikh: no, purl can but it's frowned upon
11:45.11erikhI just read about things I've never used before in here, it'd be nice to get a quick description without having to leave the conversation
11:45.17erikhOrionshock: oh, I can msg it
11:45.26erikhdoes it actually stay current with wowace though?
11:45.33erikhpurl is used in a lot of other contextts.
11:45.40profalbert~ldb
11:45.41purlit has been said that ldb is a WoW Library - A central registry for addons looking for something to display their data. http://github.com/tekkub/libdatabroker-1-1/tree/master
11:45.49Orionshockpurl is a general use bot, ppl can set descriptions to addons, but doing so is generaly frowned upon unless it's a major addon
11:45.50profalbertsomething like that?
11:46.00profalbert~arl
11:46.01purl[arl] a poorly named add-on (8% lame), 94% dry-coded developed by Ackis. Will tell you what recipes/beast skills you're missing however, and where to get them
11:46.13erikhOrionshock: yeah, i'm familiar with purl outside of #wowace
11:46.28Orionshockother than that, files.wowace.com 's general listing has the addon's short description on the page
11:46.28cnc|work~nickometer AckisRecipeList
11:46.48erikhprofalbert: I was hoping for an actual irc bot.. it's not a big deal
11:47.11profalbert~nickometer flexbar
11:47.21cnc|work~win
11:47.21purlhmm... win is lose.
11:47.24erikhI could barf one out, but it seems like you guys would prefer I didn't
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11:49.39nevcairielI wouldnt bother wasting time writing something like that now anyway
11:50.06Orionshockcould always get one that pulls from file site dynamicly?
11:51.10nevcairielas long as files doesnt change :p
11:51.23erikhI'd just use the WAU index.
11:51.52erikhmost of the code would be the xpath expressions :)
11:52.56erikhmaybe tomorrow for the hell of it I'll put one together, and you guys can tell me if it sucks or not. it won't take long.
11:56.08Fisker-~nickmeter flexbar
11:56.09purlflexbar is 100% lame with a cherry on top!
11:58.04cnc|workpurl, forget nickmeter flexbar
11:58.04purli didn't have anything called 'nickmeter flexbar' to forget, cnc|work
11:59.35elite3vilcnc|work: forgot the "o" in nickometer
11:59.51Elkano~nickmeter cnc|work
11:59.51purlcnc|work is 100% lame with a cherry on top!
11:59.58elite3vilmaybe not..
12:00.03Elkano~literal nickmeter
12:00.46cnc|work~literal nickmeter flexbar
12:00.46purlflexbar is 100% lame with a cherry on top!
12:00.55cnc|workpurl, forget "nickmeter flexbar"
12:00.55purli didn't have anything called '"nickmeter flexbar"' to forget, cnc|work
12:00.59cnc|workhmm, weird
12:01.27profalbert~nickmeter oijweuifwhefojewf
12:01.28purloijweuifwhefojewf is 100% lame with a cherry on top!
12:01.42cnc|work~nickmeter whatavah
12:01.43purlwhatavah is 100% lame with a cherry on top!
12:01.46cnc|workI see
12:01.48cnc|workpurl, forget nickmeter
12:01.48purli didn't have anything called 'nickmeter' to forget, cnc|work
12:01.49Elkano~literal literal
12:01.50purl"literal" is "<reply>Leave me alone you!  I won't reveal my secrets!"
12:01.57nevcairiel~literal nickmeter (.+)
12:01.57purl(.+) is 100% lame with a cherry on top!
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12:02.04cnc|workah
12:02.16Elkano~literal nickmeter
12:02.23Elkano~literal asl
12:02.23purl"asl" is "<reply> Old enough, yes please, my place."
12:02.31Elkanohmm....
12:02.36Elkano~nickmeter
12:03.01Elkano~nickmeter l33t_h4x0r
12:03.01purll33t_h4x0r is 100% lame with a cherry on top!
12:03.12Elkanook, no idea :/
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12:03.45cnc|workpurl, forget nickmeter (.+)
12:03.45purli didn't have anything called 'nickmeter (.+)' to forget, cnc|work
12:03.52cnc|work~anoyed
12:04.17cnc|work~nickometer Fisker-
12:04.24Funkeh`~nickmeter Funkeh`
12:04.25purlFunkeh` is 100% lame with a cherry on top!
12:04.30cnc|workyou are 14% lame Fisker-, they're o denying it
12:04.30Funkeh`~~~~~~~~
12:04.31purlYou know, this got old a long time ago.
12:04.34cnc|workstop cheating
12:06.45Elkano~nickometer Funkeh`
12:06.56cnc|work~nickometer purl
12:07.03Funkeh`lol
12:07.03cnc|worknah, thats a lie
12:07.08Elkano~nickometer cnc|work
12:07.15nevcairielit only picks up on stupid special chars or numbers
12:07.18Elkano~nickometer Elkano
12:07.18cnc|work~nickometer cncfanatics
12:07.25Elkanothought so
12:07.28cnc|worknot true nevcairiel
12:07.32cnc|work~nickometer ckknight
12:07.42nevcairielor the truth
12:07.49Orphis-nickometer Orphis
12:07.54cnc|work~fail Orphis
12:07.55purlOrphis: FAIL!
12:07.56nevcairielits probably because of the knight in it
12:08.08cnc|workyea I think so nevcairiel
12:08.10Orphis:(
12:08.29nevcairielmmm toasted waffles
12:08.32Orphis~nickometer Orphis
12:08.37cnc|work~nickometer 0rph1s
12:08.47OrphisHey !
12:08.51cnc|work:p
12:09.04cnc|work~nickometer 1337
12:09.10cnc|workthats all N
12:09.11cnc|work?
12:09.27OrphisThe problem is that shiny new IRC client, the font isn't big enough and I haven't made the difference between - and ~
12:09.39nevcairiellol
12:09.45nevcairielthat has to be small
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12:10.07OrphisA difference of two aliased pixels
12:10.31Xinhuan~factoid asl
12:10.31purlACTION gives asl a cup of trinitrotoluene
12:11.04Xinhuan~dict trinitrotoluene
12:11.25Xinhuan~dict toluene
12:11.30nevcairieltrinitrotoluene is TNT
12:11.36nevcairielif that explains some stuff :p
12:11.48Xinhuan~lart nevcairiel
12:11.48purl--purges nevcairiel
12:11.51Elkano~dict trinitrotoluol
12:11.59cnc|worksigh
12:12.13cnc|workdon't you hate people that call you, ask to be transfered to someone, and while you're transfering them they fucking HANG UP ?
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12:20.26FinalXheh :)
12:20.32Oridannevcairiel: i have another fix for LibBars, if you call Fade on a bar that is already fading (or one that is about to fade) you get a nil error on fadeTotal. I simply added a check at barPrototype.Fade to break out if fading == true. Mind if i commit it ?
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12:55.31winkillerare there still any unitframes around that are strongly based on blizz default? as in.. maybe just out of range fading and stuff
12:56.15Kuosihttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8908-ExtendedUnitFrames.html
12:56.56winkillercool thanks
12:57.07cnc|worklol
12:57.10cnc|work*really* light
12:57.13cnc|workahem, it uses dogtag :p
12:57.52winkillerI don't care about anything. the girl wants it to look like the default, aynthing else is not important :P
12:58.01cnc|worklol
12:58.09cnc|workwhy ? :p
12:58.13cnc|workdefault sucks monkey balls
12:58.24Kuosisome like it, some dont :P
12:58.31winkillerI know, but you know.. girls :P
12:58.52cnc|workwell, did she even try something other then blizz ?
12:58.57winkilleryes
12:59.03cnc|workwhat ?
12:59.12winkillerpitbull and xperl
12:59.24winkillereven something similar to this eUF in 2006
12:59.33winkillerthat just added % behind the bars
12:59.36Kuosii like how the buffsystem works on blizz frames
12:59.39Kuosibut thats about it
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12:59.56KuosiI dont want a massive potrait with tiny hp bar and equal size power bar
13:00.57winkillerI havepitbull with a massive portrait :P
13:00.59cnc|workKuosi: most idiots too
13:04.33Kuosibeen using ag since forever
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13:05.40CIA-4403kunda * r78141 10Cromulent/ (Libs/ embeds.xml): Cromulent: fix externals
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13:21.27CIA-4403kunda * r78142 10Cromulent/Cromulent.toc: Cromulent: toc update
13:22.40phybernoes, which externals did I forget this time :p
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13:23.59phyberah, i see.
13:24.09phyberI still don't know why lib.xml loading is preferred over just loading the .lua though.
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13:24.33Josh_Borkephyber: lib.xml is easier for excluding files from loading
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13:24.52phyberJosh_Borke: that a WAU thing then?
13:25.18Josh_Borkeno, it's a design thing
13:25.28Josh_Borkeyou can include multiple libraries in a lib.xml
13:25.45Josh_Borkeso when you decide to disembed, you can delete the lib.xml and it won't try to load any of those libraries
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13:26.54phyberI see.  But wasn't that supposed to be the point of embeds.xml too?
13:27.08phyberthat you could delete that one file and then not load anything since it would all disembed?
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13:32.29Funkeh`lob.xml was designed ebcaue of ui reloading
13:32.34Funkeh`you're thinking of embeds.xml
13:32.37Funkeh`lib*
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13:33.09Funkeh`it's also much easier when it comes to making changed to the lib, it's all automatic if you point to an xml file
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13:34.37ckknightFunkeh`: actually the primary reason for lib.xml was allowing multi-file libraries, and allowing authors to change their lib structure after initial release
13:34.55Funkeh`pretty sure thats what I just said
13:35.07nevcairielyou said something about ui reloading o.O
13:35.24Funkeh`you missed 3 lines after that
13:35.57ckknightsorry, I'm in a haze
13:35.59ckknightjust worked out
13:36.05Funkeh`lol?
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13:36.08VulcanusDrugs are bad, mmmkay?
13:36.20ckknightbut it wasn't _designed_ because of ui reloading
13:36.57nevcairielhow can you even design something for ui reloading? :P
13:36.57Funkeh`true, but that was one of the positives
13:37.21Funkeh`loaing and unloading of files without exiting the game etc
13:37.23Funkeh`arg
13:37.25Funkeh`loading
13:37.37nevcairielthat does the xml have to do with that?
13:37.55Funkeh`toc changes require game restart
13:37.58Funkeh`xml files dont
13:38.35KriLL3is there an addon that automagically adds set quests/instances upon entering the game or taking the daily HC quest etc?
13:40.49Funkeh`is there any way to get the text of a shown tooltip to strfind on it or etc ?
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13:44.02phyberI used to have: GameTooltipTextLeft2:GetText()  in ManaPerc to get the mana a spell used.  I can't find that stuff on wowwiki though.
13:44.37phyberThere is a :NumLines() thing for the GameTooltip too, something in there must let you go over all of the lines. :|
13:45.00phyberhttp://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_GameTooltip
13:45.04phyberah, it's on a different page.
13:45.26Funkeh`actually I just want the first line
13:45.31Funkeh`to seach it
13:46.26Funkeh`GameTooltipTextLeft1:GetText() works, thanks
13:46.34phyber:)
13:47.48KriLL3What's the difference between bartender3 and 4, and can you switch sans re-doing all our bars?
13:49.43cnc|workKriLL3: kind of
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13:49.48cnc|workactions of buttons are saved serverside
13:49.50cnc|workso these will stay
13:50.01cnc|workbut button locations & other settings are saved client side, so you'd have to ask nevcariel for those :p
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14:26.33CIA-4403ag * r78143 10Fortress/Core.lua:
14:26.33CIA-44Fortress:
14:26.33CIA-44- strictly follow current LDB-1.1 spec until something is decided in the LDB forum thread
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14:56.48Pkekyo|lmao...67 year old guy is denied buying a pack of cigarettes 'cause he doesn't have ID on him (age restriction for tobacco is 18 years)
14:57.12FinalXlol
14:57.25GagorianSwedes *shakes head*
14:57.31Pkekyo|the clerk was 17 :>
14:57.59Pkekyo|I'm definitively doing that if I ever get a job as a clerk
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15:09.14Zyndromehttp://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=dna
15:09.16Zyndromenerf :\
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15:20.35ag`Zyndrome, looks nice
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15:25.25starlon[2008/07/09 10:22:40-4191-x80]: StarTip-1.0\Modules\Text.lua:96: attempt to compare nil with number
15:25.39starlonThat's fine and all, but line #96 is blank...
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15:30.05ckknightdoes anyone know a way to get the x, y coordinates of instances? It doesn't necessarily have to be in-game
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15:30.58Trell_quick question, can I set grid up so that it will switch raid layout depending on zone?
15:31.04Trell_or is that a bit technically challenging :P
15:31.25Trell_ie, AV - Raid Layout = 40 w/o pets, AB - Raid Layout = 15 w/o pets
15:31.48Kuosithere was some DynamicLayout plugin for grid wasnt there?
15:31.52Kuosidunno how it works tho
15:32.04Trell_mmm any idea where I can find that?
15:32.22ckknight(btw, that's for portal entrances, not the instance texture or anything)
15:32.34Kuosio jave a gppd jimcj pf http://files.wowace.com/
15:32.39Kuosinice typing
15:32.43Kuosii have a good hunch of
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15:33.23Kuosihttp://files.wowace.com/GridDynamicZoneSwitch/GridDynamicZoneSwitch-r60707.18.zip
15:33.29Kuosihttp://files.wowace.com/GridDynamicLayout/GridDynamicLayout-r76960.zip
15:33.30Kuositry those
15:33.43Trell_thanks!
15:33.45elite3vilhttp://files.wowace.com/GridAutoFrameSize/GridAutoFrameSize-r74864.zip
15:34.03elite3vilThat one will resize it depending on the size of the raid
15:34.31KriLL3anyone know of a good addon for adding graphics to the UI?
15:35.18Trell_eepanels2
15:35.27Trell_about the only one, isn't it?
15:35.59KriLL3It's listed as outdated
15:36.18Trell_it isn't
15:36.22Trell_outdated, I mean
15:36.26Trell_I'm still using it fine
15:36.28DashkalKriLL3: I gear kgpanels does the same thing, but I can tell you for myself that eepanels works
15:36.29KriLL3there is a kgPanels though "sucessor to eePanels"
15:36.51Trell_*shrug* eepanels is what I use, and have done for a while now
15:36.54Kuosikgpanels
15:39.49Trell_GridAutoFrameSize looks like it'll do what I need, thanks elite3vil
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15:41.07elite3vilAnytime.
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15:56.38Stanzillaindeed
15:58.10Wraithanany decent way to sync the wtf folder between 2-3 computers?
15:58.43VulcanusHAI GUISE. I cen tel u wan bai gold. ye? u go to mi site, ubaigoldnowkeke.cn ^.^
15:59.05Vulcanuswraith: maybe putting it on an SVN
15:59.12Vulcanusyou can get a free one at assembla.com
15:59.12Wraithanbleh
15:59.54WraithanI have my own svn server on my dev box, seems like a messy way to do it and if I forget to commit it I will end up with a merging nightmare
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16:01.56selckinuse git
16:02.21WraithanI will still have to resolve all the differences
16:02.23Xinhuanor run wow off a portable drive
16:02.28Xinhuanso you dn't have to sync anything
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16:04.19selckinif only you could easily do bind mounts of symlinks in window
16:04.38Xinhuanhe said "across several computers"
16:04.44Xinhuannot several folders
16:04.56[3]ArtmiI'm trying to start out with trying to learn about world of warcraft add-ons, and possibly by using wowace at the same time, anyone here know of smaller add-ons, preferably with some comments in them?
16:04.59nevcairielnfs!
16:05.22Xinhuanartmi, start with your own addons, browse thru them
16:05.34Xinhuanthe lesser the number of files in the addon folder, the smaller it is ;p
16:05.54selckinXinhuan: well to easily script it being on a usb device
16:06.09WraithanXinhuan: unless they use a monolithic approach heh
16:06.44[3]ArtmiXinhuan, that is obvious, but most add-ons have a pretty hefty amount of code, with low to no comments
16:06.49[3]Artmi:P
16:07.02Xinhuanhate to break it to you, small addons rarely need comments :)
16:07.08Xinhuanbecause what they do is obvious
16:07.21[3]Artmiwell the code isn't confusing per se
16:07.27nevcairiellua code is easy to understand, very few addons are heavily commented
16:07.34[3]Artmii'm  just trying to bring all the pieces together, lua by itself is easy as heck using
16:07.49Xinhuangathermate is heavily commented! so is routes, but neither are small ;p
16:07.54nevcairiel~wowprogramming
16:07.55purlWorld of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com
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16:08.05nevcairielif you can spare a few dollars and are serious about learning
16:08.07nevcairielbuy that book
16:08.07[3]Artminevcairiel, i've ordered it, will take about a week
16:08.10[3]Artmibefore i get it though
16:08.12nevcairielah :)
16:08.19[3]Artmiso want something to do in the mean time hehe
16:08.46Xinhuanwell you could start by writing a small addon to do something you want
16:08.48Xinhuansomething simple
16:08.51nevcairielthere are some tutorials to start with
16:09.25Xinhuanfor example, write a addon to switch the reputation bar to the rep you just gained (there are such addons already, but you could try your own, then refer to the available ones)
16:09.49[3]Artmiaye good idea, could always start out with small simple, none usefull th ings =)=
16:09.53[3]Artmiand work my way up
16:10.02Xinhuanthe most important thing is to download and extract out the "core default blizzard ui" out
16:10.09Xinhuanand study how the blizzard ui code works
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16:10.23Arrowmasterand where the blizzard ui code fails
16:10.43[3]Artmiwell, what confuses me about blizzards xml(ui code)
16:10.48[3]Artmiis just all frames and stuff like that
16:10.55[3]Artmiwhat are they usefull for
16:10.59Xinhuanreason being most of the time, the documentation on API is found by studying blizzard code
16:11.08Xinhuanand inferred from there
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16:12.53Xinhuanxml is used to define frames (they can also be defined and created directly using lua code)
16:13.10[3]ArtmiAye but more importantly, what exactly "is a frame"
16:13.18[3]Artmii mean, looking through their code, they can nests frame as hell
16:13.27Xinhuana frame is a rectagular region (usually movable)
16:13.30nevcairielwell a frame is generally something you see
16:13.32Xinhuanwhich you can do stuff with
16:13.34nevcairiellike a window
16:13.35[3]Artmisuch as: <Frames> <frame><frames><frame>
16:13.39Xinhuanyes
16:13.43Xinhuana frame can contain child frames
16:13.53[3]ArtmiIs <Frames> a container, containing one or more <Frame>?
16:13.59nevcairielnah
16:14.08Xinhuanso when you move a parent frame, all thechild frames move with it, hide with it, etc
16:14.10nevcairielXML syntax is a bit more confusing
16:14.10Fisker-slaps Xinhuan around a bit with a large trout
16:14.27Xinhuan<Frames> is just a xml indicator that everything that is between <Frames> </Frames> are child frames
16:14.31nevcairielyou always have a <Frame ...> parent
16:14.45nevcairiel(that Frame can be something else though, like Button)
16:14.45Xinhuana frame is defined by <Frame ...> </Frame>
16:14.49[3]Artmiokey, and the parent from what i've seen is UIParent or something
16:14.54[3]Artmiat least in blizzards code
16:15.04Xinhuana frame doesn't necesariily need a parent
16:15.06nevcairielUIParent is the default parent, yes
16:15.21Xinhuanif you anchor it to UIParent, it will hide on pressing alt-z, which hides the frame called UIParent
16:15.27Xinhuanparent it to UIParent that is
16:15.28[3]ArtmiOkey
16:16.01xemacshey there is the packagemaintainer of AuldLangSyne available?
16:16.02nevcairielyour addon frames should always parent to UIParent (if directly or indirectly) to inherit the UIScale and behave with alt-z
16:16.03[3]ArtmiWhat if for example, i have a Parent frame, which have a few children frames. When moving the parent frame, all ch ildren will be moved with it
16:16.15[3]Artmican Children frames be moved separatly?
16:16.19Xinhuanyes
16:16.28nevcairielThat all depends on anchoring
16:16.34[3]ArtmiOk
16:16.37nevcairielYou can anchor a frame relative to your parent
16:16.40Xinhuanin XML, the movable=true needs to be set, or framename:SetMovable(true)
16:16.41nevcairielor absolute
16:16.43Xinhuanin lua
16:17.07Xinhuan"frame" is just a generic word, there are more specific frames types, such as <Button> <Editbox> etc
16:17.13[3]ArtmiSeing as you can either use a Lua or XML file for the frames, what is the preferred way?
16:17.16Xinhuanwhich are also all frames
16:17.19[3]Artmiok
16:17.23[3]Artmi-a
16:17.26Xinhuanthe preferred way is just to use pure lua
16:17.37nevcairielthats personal preference really
16:17.42profalbert!points 1800
16:17.42XinhuanYou cannot get more than 1511 arena points per week (5v5 points cap).
16:17.43nevcairieleveryone has to find their way :)
16:17.47Xinhuanas that is one less file to load, and its easier to set stuff in lua, than in verbose xml
16:17.50profalbert!rating 1800
16:17.50Xinhuan1800 rating gives 760(5s), 669(3s) and 578(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)
16:18.04profalbert!rating 1700
16:18.05Xinhuan1700 rating gives 607(5s), 534(3s) and 461(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)
16:18.06[3]ArtmiXinhuan, any projets doing it directly in Lua then, mayby i could learn a few things
16:18.09[3]Artmifrom reading the source
16:18.19nevcairielXinhuan: some people can visualize a frame layout better from using XML ;)
16:18.24Xinhuanmost addons on wowace dont' use xml
16:18.28[3]Artmiokey
16:18.55Xinhuanif they use an xml, they only use it as a loading mechanism, using the xml file to specify other files to load
16:19.16[3]Artmi"load files" as in other libraries?
16:19.20Xinhuanyes
16:19.26[3]Artmimeaning embeds.xml?
16:19.37Xinhuanlib.xml, embed.xml is a "wowace recognized standard.. sorta
16:19.44[3]Artmiok
16:19.49Xinhuanalthough an informal one at that
16:20.25[3]ArtmiI see most projects on wowace uses a lib directory, with for example Ace2/3
16:20.35Xinhuanthat again, is just an informal standard
16:20.36[3]Artmiisn't it possible to just use the installed ace2/3 one has on the system for the projects
16:20.42Xinhuanyou can call it "abc" instead of "lib"
16:20.44Xinhuanif you want
16:21.00profalbertthat would be running it "disembedded"
16:21.02[3]ArtmiHow would i go about that, would i just use the Dependencies: column in the toc file? or is that just informational as well?
16:21.06Xinhuanor even choose not to use subfolders
16:21.27Xinhuanthat probably goes beyond your current understanding of how addon libraries work
16:21.43nevcairiel[3]Artmi: Dependencies and OptDep are not only informational, the game reads those and loads addons accordingly
16:21.52[3]Artmiok
16:22.26Xinhuanconsider in windows, the "open" and "save" and "print" etc dialog boxes look the same in all applications
16:22.39Xinhuanthat's because those dialog boxes are the same library that comes with windows
16:22.53Xinhuanmscomctrl.dll i think
16:22.59Xinhuanmicrosoft common controls
16:24.13Kaeltennevcairiel: damn you!
16:24.19nevcairielwhat?
16:24.26Kaeltenpinging me
16:24.27Kaeltensniffs
16:24.34nevcairieli did?
16:24.34[3]ArtmiWhat is libstub good for, about all ace addons seem to be using it?
16:24.42Kaeltenlol
16:24.53KriLL3bt4 doesn't work with fubar? :(
16:24.56Kaeltennevcairiel
16:24.56Kaelten:  ~wowprogramming
16:25.00nevcairielah
16:25.02nevcairielthat
16:25.03Kaelten:P
16:25.10Xinhuanlibstub is a library used to version other libraries
16:25.15[3]Artmiok
16:25.22nevcairiela library stub .. :)
16:25.30Xinhuanlets say addon A uses libraryX, and libraryY, but addon B uses libraryY and libraryZ
16:25.43Xinhuanif you downloaded A and B separately with all the libraries included (which is 2 copies of Y)
16:25.45KaeltenXinhuan: if they all take there shoes off you have an orgy
16:25.55Xinhuanlibstub determines which one is newer and keeps the newer one in memory
16:26.02[3]Artmiaaah
16:26.56Xinhuanalternatively, if you downloaded and installed library X and Y separately as standalone addons, then A and B can be used without any libraries included, as long as X and Y and Z is loaded first (via Optional Depedencies in the TOC)
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16:26.57Kaeltenbah, I'll stop my off color humor and let people talk seriously
16:27.00[3]ArtmiThat could lead to problems though, if library Y has had a major version released. And add-on A would be realying on a function in Lib y that doesn't exist in the neweer version :)
16:27.27Xinhuanin major releases, libstub keeps both libs around in memory
16:27.33Xinhuanthey are considered 2 separate and independant libs
16:27.38[3]Artmiok
16:27.51Xinhuanso a library has version number 1.0
16:27.55Xinhuan1.1 would be a minor upgrade
16:27.59Xinhuanand overwrites
16:28.05[3]Artmiyepp major.minor
16:28.05Xinhuan2.0 would be a new major release, a different lib
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16:36.03p3limdid naxx attunement get removed?
16:36.36Stanzillano
16:36.38Pkekyo|don't think so
16:37.22p3limcant remember
16:41.40sacarascstill there
16:42.08Fisker-halp
16:42.32CIA-4403ckknight * r78144 10LibTourist-3.0/LibTourist-3.0.lua: LibTourist-3.0: add an API function :GetEntrancePortalLocation(instance), which returns the zone, x, and y of the portal location for said instance.
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16:51.10nevcairielXinhuan: actually we consider 1.0 -> 1.1 a major upgrade already
16:51.24Josh_Borke~fail Xinhuan
16:51.25purlYou suck at everything in life, Xinhuan. I hate you because you fail.
16:51.28Xinhuanwell yeah ~_~
16:51.53nevcairielit'll most likely mean that the API broke
16:51.59nevcairielbut the general lib is still the same
16:52.07nevcairielwhile 1.0 -> 2.0 means its probably a complete new thing
16:52.37Josh_Borkenow you're just talking semantics
16:52.51nevcairieltrue
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16:58.35NeoTron_so I really hate when I get burn, start runnig and someone next to me decides to be "helpful" moving "out of my way"
16:58.52NeoTron_when I had a clear path to begin with and all they do is ensure the fire spreads to them by stepping right in front of me
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17:12.29Arrowmasterdont you fucking hate it when youre talking to tech support and you solve the problem yourself because they cant.....
17:13.17Arrowmastertrying to signup for PlaystationNetwork and keep getting an error on the OnlineID and then discover that anything over 10 characters long is failing even though it says you can use up to 16 characters
17:13.21Ellipsiswhy even bother calling them x.x
17:13.36Arrowmasteri tend not to
17:13.43Arrowmasterbecause this always happens
17:13.50Arrowmasteralways
17:14.10Ellipsisimo you just need to get a shorter name :P
17:14.54Arrowmasteri have an aim account from back when names were limited to 10 characters too
17:15.14Arrowmasteralthough i created a new one after the limit was increased
17:15.34WraithanArrowmaster: I have used the same AIM account for at least 10 years
17:17.16clad|awaythe best is comparing your ICQ e-peen
17:17.18clad|awaysee how low your number is
17:17.23clad|awayI can't find mine, but it was low :P
17:18.21Wraithanmine was high, I didn't get into ICQ untill the 200000 range
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17:20.25NeoTron_ICQ just need to die
17:20.30NeoTron_it's such a spam haven
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17:23.52Stanzilla~seen Tekkub
17:24.05purltekkub <n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 8h 55s ago, saying: 'have your say :)'.
17:24.05Arrowmaster80000000 range for me i think
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17:28.51Benihimep3lim there's something wrong with the last update of oUF_p3lim
17:29.11p3limyup
17:29.12BenihimeLayout is kinda messed up
17:29.16p3limi know
17:29.30Benihimeso ur working on it ?
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17:32.33CIA-4403scorpio0920 * r78146 10Capping/locals/localization-zhTW.lua:
17:32.33CIA-44Capping:
17:32.33CIA-44- Update zhTW localization. (Thanks s8095324)
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17:59.05[3]ArtmiWhen messing around with the combat log, exactly which arg contains source / target?
17:59.38[3]Artmiexample: I(player) shoot a fireball(event) at target(mob / another player)
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18:00.44selckinhttp://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT
18:00.44[3]Artmithanks
18:00.44Groktarwhat other combat text mods are out there, other than sct?
18:01.00Groktari was using one on the 2.4ptr but can't remember the name
18:01.01profalbertGroktar: Parrot, MSBT
18:01.05Groktarty
18:01.20Groktarknow it i can change the strata on either one?
18:01.27Groktari like to keep my grid in the middle of the screen
18:01.35Groktarand it drives me nuts that SCT will cover it
18:01.56profalbertin parrot the strata is fix, and can only be changed in the .lua
18:02.00selckinmsbt is easy to configure where the text comes
18:02.32Groktarkk
18:03.14nevcairielNeoTron: how can i get MagicMarker to mark the sunblade scouts in Sunwell as burn down targets? It aways wants to assign Tank#1 to them
18:03.36NeoTron_nevcairiel: set the to category crowd control and check the "burn down" as acceptable CC method
18:03.42nevcairieli did
18:03.48nevcairielI have skull as burn down
18:03.53nevcairieli still get star on them
18:03.57NeoTron_hmm
18:03.58nevcairielwhich is Tank1
18:04.04NeoTron_is skull assigned to anything else?
18:04.17NeoTron_I'd make their CC priority the highest too if you haven't
18:04.43nevcairieli did
18:04.47nevcairiellowest on tank
18:04.47selckinmy gm never got it working properly after 3-4 days with wierd marked mobs and gave up :(
18:04.50nevcairielhighest on cc
18:04.58nevcairielskull is last position in tank
18:05.01nevcairielif thats important
18:05.10NeoTron_is skull used on something else?
18:05.18vithosanyone have/know of a script to automatically split gigantic combatlogs based on a threshold delta between timestamps?
18:05.20NeoTron_like when you mark the group
18:05.29nevcairielno, all icons where cleared
18:05.36nevcairieloh
18:05.41nevcairielyeah it applied skull to one other mob
18:05.48NeoTron_selckin: need to document it better. it's really not that hard to set up. :-/
18:06.04NeoTron_do you run with FuBar_MagicMarker?
18:06.13nevcairielno
18:06.15NeoTron_if not that's a good way to 'debug' stuff
18:06.28NeoTron_also turning on debug level messaging will tell you how it prioritizes stuff
18:07.07Obelixprimeanyone know of a video encoder channel on this server?
18:07.10NeoTron_wish there was a way to make it easier
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18:07.45Obelixprimeor some place where i can ask some questiosn about digital video
18:07.53DashkalObelixprime: #mplayer ?
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18:08.24Obelixprimecool, thanks
18:09.41nevcairielNeoTron: yeah it says "Sunblade Scout -> [tank]"
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18:10.53Groktarwoot!
18:10.54nevcairielNeoTron: hm i didnt have burn down in my crowd control list .. that might've caused it :P
18:11.15Groktari got the parrot combat text to go behind grid
18:11.24Groktarthat was certainly easy
18:11.27nevcairielNeoTron: works now, my bad i guess :P
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18:13.05NeoTron_nevcairiel: ok cool :)
18:13.14NeoTron_that debug can be very useful
18:13.25NeoTron_and btw FuBar_MagicMakrer is really nice if you run fubar
18:13.40NeoTron_it will tell you 5/7 (5 mobs out of 7 have their final marks) etc
18:13.58NeoTron_I think I will also add soem sort of audible or visible feedback when all mobs are marked correctly
18:14.17NeoTron_or perhaps when you release the modifier, play a happy or sad sound depending on completness of marking
18:15.38nevcairielyou mean if it actually re-assigned a mark and i didnt remark that mob?
18:16.21Groktarwoot, that also make my bigwigs bars cover up the combat taxt
18:16.54profalbert!rating 1556
18:16.54Xinhuan1556 rating gives 409(5s), 359(3s) and 310(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)
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18:18.12nevcairielNeoTron_: another thing, 5 mobs, 3 mages, but it assigns 3 tank targets and 2 sheeps, can i change that to always use max crowd?
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18:19.15nevcairiel(I have min tank targets to 1)
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18:19.47Xinhuanmaybe only 2 of the 5 mobs are sheepable
18:19.55NeoTron_I just love people that say mana regen is nothing locks care about bc we have life tap
18:20.07NivFreakit ups dps
18:20.21nevcairielXinhuan: nah
18:20.24NivFreakI think the proper statement is, we care about giving locks mana regen the least ;)
18:20.41NeoTron_nevcairiel: it will assign 3 hseeps if there are 3 mobs designated as CC with sheep as a valid method
18:20.49nevcairielhrm
18:20.53nevcairielmaybe the DB is wrong then :)
18:21.04NeoTron_NivFreak: well anyone worth anything knows that mana regen is useful for a lock and that lifetap is the DPS killer
18:21.12NeoTron_nevcairiel: again, look at debug output
18:21.35NivFreakNeoTron_: yep, but at least you have a method to recover mana
18:21.37selckinNeoTron_: only spriest mana regen, any other makes almost no diffrence
18:21.50NivFreakmana tide
18:21.50NivFreak;)
18:21.59NivFreakmana stream
18:22.00NivFreaketc
18:22.04NeoTron_selckin: all does make a difference
18:22.07NivFreakspring even
18:22.12NeoTron_but I'm talking about 30% regen from spirit in wotlk
18:22.22selckinah sure
18:22.26NeoTron_and ppl commenting that locks have no mana issues due to drain life and we don't want mana regen
18:22.29selckinprobabl want you to share gear with mages then
18:22.38nevcairielNeoTron_: sunblade vindicator for example, marked as "Tank" but valid for sheep. will it ever be sheeped?
18:22.41NeoTron_what I don't like in that prospect is the potential lack of stamina
18:22.47NeoTron_nevcairiel: no
18:22.53NeoTron_nothing marked as tank will get sheeped
18:22.59selckinNeoTron_: spirit to stamina talent!
18:23.01NeoTron_In reality I should probably redo that system
18:23.27NeoTron_with the "min tank targets" you don't really need to separate what to CC and what to tank.. however it might cause issued if I change it around too
18:23.43NeoTron_selckin: bummer we have a talent that decreases spirit and increases stamina
18:23.58NeoTron_frankly so far I think locks wotlk stuff is completely fucked up
18:24.09NeoTron_to the degree that I wonder if I will want to continue playing a lock if they let it go like it is now
18:24.20selckinjust wait till NDA is lifted
18:24.30selckinand they done more then 2 classes
18:24.47NeoTron_they have two more classes to do
18:24.54NeoTron_others are not final ofc, but not undone
18:25.16NeoTron_information previously "leaked" is available on mmo-champion etc now due to the thing in france "leaking" the information
18:25.23NivFreakNeoTron_: yes, they have really fucked up locks in wrath from a pve perspective so far
18:25.29NivFreakhoepfully they come to thier senses
18:25.41NivFreakalso, fuck you blizzard for taking 7% hit from my shadow priest =(
18:26.02NeoTron_what really makes no sense to me is: 51 pt demo talent => takes the pet away, 40 pt destro talent => improves imp in a tree that cannot possibly use the imp for anything useful
18:26.20NivFreakall pvp shit
18:26.23NeoTron_NivFreak: our SP's don't spec for spell hit. better to spec elsewhere
18:26.32NivFreakNeoTron_: depends on gear level
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18:26.40NivFreakI don't have sunwell gear for my alt shadow priest it turns out
18:26.45NeoTron_I'd love an imp that was useful in raiding with a destro nuke build
18:26.47NivFreakI don't even have t5
18:26.52NeoTron_because I'd like to be a pet class
18:27.06Swtzafternoon
18:27.08NivFreakthe warrior talents are pretty sweet so far
18:27.15NivFreakI wonder how many will stay
18:27.19NeoTron_but for that to happen the imp needs to be unaffected by damage effects (i.e essentially dps while pahse shifted, or at least have 100% aoe avoidance) and need to regain mana faster
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18:27.22NivFreakpriest talents were interesting at least
18:27.32NeoTron_priest is getting a lot of good stuff
18:27.37NeoTron_as are druids of all specs
18:27.50NivFreakyea, AoE hot on druids
18:27.51NivFreakfrontloaded
18:27.53NivFreakthat's pretty hot
18:28.07NivFreakthey basically get CoH
18:28.16NeoTron_I dunno what they expect lock sto go for for PvE
18:28.22SwtzFolks, what's the best way to dry run a external homebrew bigwigs module? Without actually having to go to the boss to try it out?
18:28.29NeoTron_affliction is woefully unusable for PvE on a general scale
18:28.35NivFreakI have to imagine locks will see radical changes before release
18:28.40NivFreakthe alpha state is pretty horrid
18:28.40NeoTron_because there's not enough debuff slots even if the DPS was comparable
18:28.54NeoTron_destro is pretty much buffed for pvp but pve is just weird
18:29.09NeoTron_I predict many more fire locks
18:29.19NeoTron_ISB is nerfet to be irrelevant for the decision pretty much
18:29.30NeoTron_since it no longer affects dots and is only 15%
18:29.38SwtzI like the way druids are shaping up
18:30.01NeoTron_I like druids and priests a lot. I can't comment on most other classes due to inexperience except that locks are just bad
18:32.12SwtzI am really curious to see what we will get for Hunters/Pallys
18:32.36selckinpaladins need to be redesigned from the ground up
18:32.39SwtzSpecially for Prot/Holy Pally
18:34.15SwtzNow, seriously, anyone here has bigwigs knowledge? I would like some advices on how to test/debug a external module.
18:40.53NeoTron_nevcairiel: the more I think about it, the more I think I need to eliminate the tank/cc category differentiation in the configuration
18:44.55[3]Artmitrying to locate some api documentation for all frame types, for CreateFrame, unable to find it though, anyone of you got a link for it handy?
18:45.12Josh_Borke[3]Artmi: your question does not make sense
18:45.28Josh_Borkedo you mean what types are valid for the first parameter to CreateFrame?
18:45.42[3]Artmiyes
18:46.01Josh_Borke[3]Artmi: it's taken from the ui.xml schema
18:46.06[3]Artmiokey
18:46.53Josh_Borke[3]Artmi: you could also try any derivative of type frame
18:47.21NeoTron_one thing that REALLY bugs me is how they add destruction spell hit to cataclysm, have affliction hit to aff talents... but that soul shatter is neither and you thus still need 202 spell hit
18:47.35[3]Artmiaye located something about that athttp://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API (Frame Derivatives)
18:48.13durcynNeoTron_: you'd rather it was shadow/fire, and you still wouldn't have shatter hit in destruction?  go go shadowmages.
18:49.07NeoTron_durcyn: no. I'd rather they removed the spell hit requirement for soul shatte
18:49.32NeoTron_or give it an inherit 5% reduction to miss chance or something
18:49.47NeoTron_what point is there to have spell hit talents if you absolutely not can't rely on either ?
18:52.05durcynoh, none at all, i was agreeing with you.
18:53.42Funkeh`I still have a sore neck from this morning for sleeping badly, grrr. haf my arm under my pillow and woke with a dead arm too
18:53.51nevcairiellol
18:54.00NeoTron_looking at priests and druids, the lock stuff just makes me sad
18:54.21Stanzillamassages Funkeh`
18:54.37Funkeh`<3
19:00.45Funkeh`http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=81923 good stuff
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19:30.34Diaowow someone broke a lib
19:30.41Diaoeverytime i open guild list it errors massively
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19:41.24WraithanDiao: PEBKAC
19:41.56Diaoif that were true it'd be easy to solve
19:41.56Diao:(
19:42.10Groktarrestore mana = super mana pot?
19:42.23Diaoany mana pot i think
19:42.40Wraithan~seen Tornhoof
19:42.43purltornhoof is currently on #wowace. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 6d 24m 51s, last said: 'heh'.
19:43.06Wraithanbleh, I have a patch mostly written for YATA and he is no where to be found
19:43.07Groktari lost to a hunter in nagrand
19:43.36Groktarhe was oom with 50% health
19:43.37Groktarand he drank a pot
19:44.01Diaoyeah drinking a mana pot will cause the "restore mana" effect to occur
19:46.23Kuosisometimes i just fucking love this game so much
19:46.56Kuositrying to s4 mace on my alt war in 3v3, farming double healer hunter/rogue teams for 5-8 point that last atleast 15mins per game
19:47.12Kuosithen we get retri pala+warrior+resto shaman in lordaeron...
19:47.30Tornhoofwraithan, hmm?
19:47.33Kuosi-27points with 1min queue time (should not be possible to face that low rated team with that time)
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19:48.31WraithanTornhoof: hah, you are there this time heh
19:48.39Groktarhttp://www.guild-impulse.net/images/huntard.jpg
19:48.41Groktar:/
19:49.08WraithanTornhoof: have a mostly complete patch to add an option for right click on the macro to do totemic call, and left click stomp like normal
19:49.31Wraithannot with me here at work, but I have been working on it at home
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19:50.19Tornhoofyou probably need to add it yourself, I'm off wow duty for awhile, too busy with work
19:51.20Tornhoofi don't even have wow installed on this computer
19:51.41WraithanTornhoof: I am adding it myself, I was going to provide a diff for ya if you wanted to add it to the main branch that is up on the websites
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19:53.22NeoTron_:se noai
19:53.22NeoTron_a:se ai
19:53.25NeoTron_a2oops
19:53.43Tornhoofsure i'll add it, dunno when though, since i have to recover most of my svn stuff from seom broken hdd
19:54.03WraithanTornhoof: kk
19:54.58WraithanTornhoof: I am going to test it pretty thoroughly before I hand it off, that way you don't have to worry about it too much
19:55.08Tornhoof:)
19:55.09Tornhoofthanks
19:55.29WraithanIt works as is, I am just cleaning it up to match the coding style already in the addon
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19:56.40Wraithanbiggest thing I was worried about is hitting the macro length limit but even with all the added stuff using the longest name totems, there is still like 90 char leeway
19:58.55Tornhoofjust leave my bouncer a message with your diff and I'll integrate it into the  main branch
20:00.59WraithanTornhoof: kk, should be within a day or two, I am moving soon
20:01.20Wraithanbut it should be done before I pack everything
20:01.32Tornhoof:)
20:01.55WraithanI love YATA, just needed this one feature lol
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20:02.23Pkekyo|nihilum are so full of themselves, their arses has got to hurt :p
20:02.49Pkekyo|"this is the one and only way you should ever play your class"-guides ftw
20:04.39Wraithanbah play to have fun, fuck what others say
20:04.51Pkekyo|no, gotta do it the nihilum way! :p
20:05.26DashkalWraithan: wait? Are you deluded into thinking this is entertainment?  Wow is deadly serious
20:05.42WraithanDashkal: oops, my bad
20:06.20DashkalI mean, people get /less purples/ if someone messes up.  Do you hear me? Less purples!
20:07.22Wraithantake that out of context, how gay do you feel now?
20:07.42Pkekyo|:p
20:07.51Wraithannot meaning in a derogatory way, just saying that sounds homosexual hoping for 'purples'
20:07.53Dashkalnot so much.  If the best gear was rainbow like in, say, Chrono Cross, then yes
20:08.53DashkalBut then I find it hard to associate purple with homosexuality given I'm straight, male, and love purple :p
20:09.16Pkekyo|bash.org all the way
20:09.19WraithanI was thinking of the color of certain organs.
20:09.21Dashkalcackles
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20:11.24Pkekyo|bah, can't be arsed, really
20:11.35Pkekyo|copy/pasting would make too much of an effort
20:11.46Dashkallol
20:13.30Funkeh`um
20:13.36Funkeh`what's thi stargate continuum
20:13.39Funkeh`this*
20:13.55Funkeh`downloads
20:15.42Pkekyo|Funkeh`: GEIF NAO PLEES
20:15.47Pkekyo|it's the latest stargate movie
20:15.49Groktari liked it
20:15.57Groktarexcept for the stupid ending, but w/e
20:16.03Funkeh`didn't event know they made a 2nd
20:16.04Funkeh`wtf
20:16.04Pkekyo|have had a hardon for it for ages
20:16.04Pkekyo|anyone got a stream? :p
20:16.06Funkeh`I fail
20:16.11Pkekyo|agreed Funkeh
20:16.15Pkekyo|go watch the 2nd one first
20:16.22Funkeh`huh?
20:16.27Funkeh`continuuum is the 3rd?
20:16.30Groktarit's got richard dean anderson for a lot of it
20:16.31Groktar2nd
20:16.37selckinit sucks imo.
20:16.38Groktarwell, second sg-1 movie
20:16.45Pkekyo|it's the third, yes
20:16.46selckinzomg timetravel lols
20:16.46Funkeh`yeah I saw the first
20:16.48Funkeh`the ori one
20:16.58Pkekyo|that's not the first stargate moie
20:17.00Pkekyo|movie*
20:17.00Pkekyo|:p
20:17.06Funkeh`sg1 you retard
20:17.07durcynwait, the second one's out?
20:17.09Funkeh`stfu already
20:17.16selckincancel atlantis allready tho :\
20:17.20durcynwait, the second one's out?
20:17.20Pkekyo|hot shit
20:17.22durcynblah up arrow
20:17.23Pkekyo|watches Tron
20:17.27Fisker-sg-1 movie = win
20:17.28Fisker-also
20:17.28Pkekyo|selckin: wtf?!
20:17.30Fisker-fuck you
20:17.33Funkeh`durcyn, I just donwloaded it
20:17.48Pkekyo|how 'bout you go sodomize yourself with a corkscrew, Fisker-?
20:17.49selckinPkekyo|: it sucks so hard :\
20:17.49Funkeh`1:34
20:17.53Funkeh`700 meg
20:18.12Pkekyo|selckin: wtf, suruslee?!
20:18.15Pkekyo|Funkeh`: source?
20:18.24selckinyeah last 2 seasons specially
20:18.41Pkekyo|huh?
20:18.44selckinhow can you keep that on the air and cancel shows like firefly, its injustice
20:18.49Pkekyo|elaborate...they canceled Atlantis?
20:18.53selckinthey need to !
20:19.05cladhaireEvening guys.  I'm doing a talk on World of Warcraft's UI/Lua community on Tuesday and I want to highlight some of the code that's been written for WoW that's of use to the Lua community at large. A good example is pastamancer's ut8 library.  If you guys have any other suggestions, please shoot them my way.
20:19.09Pkekyo|nah
20:19.09Pkekyo|but they -really- need to bring back firefly
20:19.23durcynfuck Fox.
20:19.26Pkekyo|cladhaire: go away, stargate tiems nao! :p
20:19.40Fisker-slaps Pkekyo| around a bit with a large trout
20:19.52Funkeh`Pkekyo|, https://isohunt.com/torrent_details/46704334/stargate?tab=summary
20:19.58Fisker-WAREZ
20:20.00Fisker-OMG BAN
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20:22.33Pkekyo|:P
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20:23.25Funkeh`cladhaire, Id say callbac handler
20:23.32Funkeh`and libstub
20:23.32cladhaireyeah, I've got that on the list.
20:24.21cladhaireany of the more trivial stuff like formatting text, or data structure implementations (heaps, etc)
20:24.25cladhairethat stuff is perfect
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20:25.22Funkeh`cladhaire, libhealcomm I think is rpetty popular
20:25.32cladhaireO.o?
20:25.40cladhairehow is that of use to the Lua community?
20:25.47Funkeh`grid lib, used in several addons on wowace though
20:25.50durcyni think he means non-wow, Funkeh
20:25.55cladhaireI mean non-wow
20:25.56Funkeh`oh
20:25.58cladhairethis is for the Lua conference
20:26.04Funkeh`okay
20:26.10cladhaireI'm trying to show how we're written a ton of Lua code that can be used by the Lua community at large :P
20:26.38NeoTron_cladhaire: heh can't say I see any inherit use in the code I've written in terms of the lua community at large
20:26.52NeoTron_I'd say the biggest overall benefit is a significantly extended lua user base
20:26.59Dashkalcladhaire: I haven't used it myself (yet) but Prism (RSA Lib) looks interesting
20:27.02Tekkubconferences are so gay
20:27.06charoni somehow suspect something to do with shadow priest threat has been changed
20:27.21NeoTron_I had some lua exposure pre-wow due to porting some games to Linux tht used Lua as a scripting engine
20:27.25charonomen constantly reported our spriest above _all_ tanks during bloodboil yet he never so much as blinked at him
20:27.42selckin130%?
20:28.27Pkekyo|lmfao, Tron is bloody awful :P
20:28.37charonno but with all the knockbacks and stuns he should have got aggro at some point
20:28.45nevcairielPkekyo|: original tron?
20:29.05Pkekyo|aye
20:30.07cladhaireDashkal: great thanks.
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20:30.16cladhaireNeoTron_: well, some authors have written plenty of useful things
20:30.20cladhaire;-)
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20:30.33ZealotOnAStickso, in general, what are the benefits of a ticket tracker system to developers??
20:30.42NeoTron_not disagreeing
20:30.51NeoTron_just stating that the unseen benefit is a larger developer base
20:31.07cladhairewell that's the title and first 25 minutes of the talk.
20:31.12cladhaireI can't use it for this part
20:31.18NeoTron_fair enough
20:31.40NeoTron_what about the route optimization in Routes?
20:31.45Pkekyo|nevcairiel: it makes baby ceilingcat cry :P
20:31.46cladhaireyep, thats perfect
20:32.07cladhaireDashkal: where is Prism?
20:32.11Dashkalcurse.com
20:32.38Tekkubcladhaire, I assume you're planning on touching on Compost too? :)
20:32.41Dashkalhttp://www.curse.com/downloads/details/8018/
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20:32.58cladhaireTekkub: yes, although its difficult to convince someone of the worth of something that is worthless :P
20:33.13Pkekyo|also: what the flying fuck is a "laser bay"?
20:33.15Tekkubit's not worthless, depending on exactly how you're using the table
20:33.31cladhaire:P
20:33.39Tekkubbut for the most part it's not needed anymore, aye
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20:34.07Tekkubwhat about the event dispatcher we use in like, everything?
20:34.17TekkubI bet that could have good use outside of wow
20:34.50NeoTron_yeah the event stuff is something I considered too
20:34.54nevcairielCallbackHandler? I think clad had that already
20:34.58cladhairei do
20:35.02Tekkuband memoizing tables, everone likes memo tables
20:35.17Tekkubotherwise... yea I can't think of anything
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20:36.01Stanzillahm Tekkub, ever heard of SYC buying stuff twice?
20:36.08TekkubStanzilla, lag
20:36.15Stanzillaah k
20:36.23Tekkubdon't reopen the vendor before the items are in your bag
20:36.32DashkalAceSerializer3
20:36.52StanzillaI don't normally
20:37.05Tekkubaye
20:37.40durcynTekkub: speaking of SYC, is it supposed to fail miserably at restocking from bank, or is that just me
20:37.41Tekkubit's a rare issue completely caused by impatient users, I'm not highly motivated to fix it
20:38.15Tekkubdurcyn, "Future plans: restocking from bank."  noone ever reads shit
20:38.23durcynoh, buggrit.
20:39.19kenlyricAntiarc: have you spawned yet?
20:39.27AntiarcOct 13th!
20:39.32AntiarcThe missus is gettin' big though.
20:39.50Fisker-Tekkub
20:39.53Fisker-1 billion gold
20:39.53kenlyricprotip: epidural is goood.
20:40.33TekkubFisker-, you realize that I have no idea what you're babbling about, so I'm just ignoring you...
20:40.52Fisker-:(
20:40.57Fisker-then i hate you
20:41.34Fisker-http://i27.tinypic.com/i3ezr6.jpg
20:41.35Fisker-see
20:41.40Fisker-That's your fault
20:41.49durcynFisker-: Broker_Durability was written by Borox, you wanker.
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20:42.09Tekkubman some people are really stupid
20:42.16NeoTron_Tekkub: Fisker- always just babbles and makes no sense at all, ever
20:42.33Fisker-i know durcyn
20:42.43Fisker-Does borox seem to visit this channel?
20:43.07Fisker-wins the game once again
20:43.55durcynWanker.
20:45.29NeoTron_:se noai
20:45.30NeoTron_a:se ai
20:45.36NivFreakso
20:45.43NivFreakone of my shadow priests just got perm banned
20:45.53Stanzillanice
20:45.55Stanzillawhat did he do?
20:46.03NivFreakfor moving 20,000G from his alliance toon to his horde toon over a period of 3-4 months via the neutral auction house
20:46.10Stanzillalawl
20:46.18NivFreakno warning, straight up perm ban
20:46.23Pkekyo|gz on making sense?
20:46.48Pkekyo|why the hell would they ban him for that?
20:46.49Fisker-wut?
20:47.00Fisker-i lag >:(
20:47.00NivFreakthey told him he could destroy the economy by doing that
20:47.02NivFreak...
20:47.03NeoTron_gold trader I'm sure
20:47.17NeoTron_NivFreak: that's not a reason, that's rtard!
20:47.35NivFreakI told him to fight it
20:47.37NivFreakhe's trying
20:47.45NeoTron_there's nothing wrong with doing that
20:48.03durcyngood luck getting blizzard to reconsider a permanent ban
20:48.07NeoTron_they take like 25% of the gold from the transaction by doing it so if anything it helps get money out of the economy
20:48.10Pkekyo|it's like sending 20k gold from your main to your alt...except that it takes ALOT longer time
20:48.20NivFreakand the AH gets a 30% cut
20:48.31NivFreaktechnically, they try to prevent you from doing this
20:48.34NivFreakit requires two accounts
20:48.41NivFreakfor two reasons
20:48.44NeoTron_sure but multiboxing is ok
20:48.48NivFreakyea
20:48.52NeoTron_it's primaily so you can't bid up your iown auctions
20:48.56NivFreakand both accounts are his, in his name/cc/address
20:49.07NivFreakit just sucks
20:49.13NivFreakspriests are fucking impossible to find on my server
20:49.19NivFreakat least any that can break 600dps...
20:49.45Pkekyo|pats NivFreak
20:49.52Funkeh`heh
20:49.59NeoTron_rumor has it M'uru is a guild killer
20:50.02Pkekyo|why the hell would he play both factions on the same server anyways?
20:50.04Funkeh`you can have mine if you want
20:50.07Funkeh`for a slight price
20:50.11NeoTron_Pkekyo|: why not?
20:50.11Funkeh`reitred it a while ago :P
20:50.13NivFreakPkekyo|: he was a reroll from alliance
20:50.22NivFreakplayed alliance for 3 years, and then rerolled horde
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20:50.42Pkekyo|but why on the same bloody server?! there's more than one of them p
20:50.43Pkekyo|:p
20:51.11NivFreakwhy do a different server?
20:51.50NeoTron_Pkekyo|: well one reason is so you can transfer gold from your alliance char to your horde char
20:52.21NeoTron_I once had a friend help me with a quest
20:52.40NeoTron_she on her NE feral druid, me on my tauren shaman (the escort quest in the BE area in terrokkar)
20:53.26Pkekyo|NeoTron: well you see how well that worked :p
20:53.36SwtzI was from a pve server and I used to do stuff like that all the time
20:53.38Pkekyo|NivFreak: 'cause it'll cost you one account less :>
20:53.41Swtzhelp horde and get help from'em
20:53.46NivFreakI have 3 accounts
20:53.47NivFreakso meh
20:53.57Diaoi don't see anything wrong with transferring gold from one faction to another
20:53.58Diaoo_O
20:54.08Pkekyo|NivFreak: why the hell? :p
20:54.25NivFreakwhy not? :P
20:54.28selckinhorde/allience split made sense in the beginning but not anymore imo
20:54.32selckinshould just remove it :\\
20:54.48Swtznow on a PvP server... I remember receiving help on the chicken escort quest and getting killed just before geting it completed.
20:54.55Pkekyo|NivFreak: because it costs fucking money?
20:55.05Tekkubhttp://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/its_a_goddamned_cracker.php  <--- now I have something to do on Sundays!
20:55.12Pkekyo|<PROTECTED>
20:55.27NivFreakit doesn't cost much
20:55.33NeoTron_Man moonkins will be fricking sick for wotlk
20:55.54Pkekyo|NivFreak: I can't even afford to keep one account going...screw you :<
20:55.54NivFreakreally?
20:56.01NivFreakPkekyo|: get a job? :P
20:56.05profalbertNivFreak: what do 3 Accounts give, what 1 single account can't?
20:56.24Diaoability to powerlevel your own alts through dungeons
20:56.25NivFreaktriple boxing
20:56.27NivFreakyes
20:56.31DARKGuyyeah
20:56.34DARKGuy3 accounts ftw
20:56.39Diaoability to enchant your own alts
20:56.40NivFreakI have my warrior and priest on different accounts
20:56.42selckinand more dailys gold then you can dream off
20:56.43NivFreakso I can healbot myself when I want
20:56.45Diaomultiboxing dailies
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20:56.48NivFreakand then I have my pally on another
20:56.49Diaothere are many benefits
20:56.51NivFreakto plvl toons with
20:56.58Pkekyo|NivFreak: I'm not getting any shifts :<
20:57.11profalbertok, I see the point ;)
20:57.19NeoTron_Imp FF: 3% hit for everything (huge raid benefit), Imp Boomkin => essentially 20% more spell haste to the group, nature's fury => likely 6% more nature/arcane dmg to the target
20:57.43NivFreakwow
20:57.47NivFreakcrazy
20:58.09NeoTron_imp boomkin might be more like 10% haste on average or so but still pretty huge
20:59.07NeoTron_I'm sort of thinking it'd be nice to reroll as a class that actually has fun benefits like that
20:59.25Pkekyo|Tekkub: FUCKING WIN!
20:59.34NeoTron_esp since I am predicting wotlk to have exactly 2 locks ni the raid like in the good old level 60 days
20:59.41NeoTron_no reason to bring more than 2.
21:00.07selckinwonder if deathkight shortage will be anything like the shaman one
21:00.48NivFreakNeoTron_: that's almost true after the next patch ;)
21:01.09NeoTron_NivFreak: next patch => only NEED 2 locks
21:01.12selckinmaybe CoW will stack with warriors!
21:01.13NeoTron_but we're still topping dps meters
21:01.21NeoTron_come wotlk I'm not so sure we'll do that anymore
21:01.23NivFreakman
21:01.28NivFreakI picked up this new 40/0/21 mage
21:01.31NivFreakhe's a freaking beast
21:01.39NeoTron_selckin: shortage? I think we'll have a huge overflow of dk's
21:01.59NeoTron_NivFreak: t5 level gear I presume?
21:02.21NivFreakeh, some
21:02.22NivFreaknot full
21:02.36NivFreakhis gear isn't that great
21:02.43NivFreakbut he's destroying tons of our dps
21:02.44NeoTron_it's possible I'll change from lock to hunter in wotlk
21:02.46NivFreakhttp://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostwolf&n=Rellunda
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21:02.59NeoTron_so he's good and tons of your dps is bad? :P
21:03.27NivFreakwell, he broke 2K dps on RoS, which is given a rigged fight in general, and certainly for mages
21:03.29NeoTron_doesn't even have 2xt5 for arcane blast fun
21:03.37NivFreakbut he's knocking out 1500+dps
21:03.39NivFreakin that gear
21:03.54selckinsteal his spriest and give it to locks
21:03.58Diaoarcane is not great without 2pt5 though :o
21:04.02Silviu-~seen haste
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21:04.06Diaothough it can still put out good dps
21:04.18NivFreakour locks do 1600-1800dps atm
21:04.28NivFreakdepending on the fight
21:04.32NivFreaksometimes as low as 1400
21:04.46NeoTron_arcane with 2xt5, 4xt6 is pretty hot
21:05.07NeoTron_although all our mages are fire atm for synergy
21:05.23Diaolol
21:05.25Diaowe have no fire mages anymore
21:05.27NivFreak2 of our mages are fire
21:05.30NivFreakthis guy is new
21:05.31Diaosince all 3 of our active mages got 2p t6
21:05.33Diaoer t5*
21:05.37Diaoall 3 are now arcane
21:05.38charonAntiarc, Xinhuan, nevcairiel: does http://pastebin.ca/1067162 have any obvious downsides? otherwise i'll push
21:05.39NivFreakmy mages suck
21:05.40Diaoso our locks only put up CoS
21:05.45Diaoand spam sbolt
21:05.45NivFreakbut this guy is motivating the shit out of them
21:05.58Diaono scorch debuff for firelocks
21:06.01Diaolol
21:06.25NivFreakI don't understand why you'd want to be a fire lock
21:06.36Xinhuanwhats the point of that charon
21:06.37Diaoneither do i
21:06.39durcynbecause it's better personal dps, and >1 ISB is redundant
21:06.47Diaobut all of our locks are like "i wanna be fire and spam incinerate"
21:06.52Diaoit's not much better
21:06.57Diaoshadow and fire are pretty close
21:06.57Antiarccharon: seems fine to me.
21:07.03Tekkubman I should get a new keyboard
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21:07.05Diaoand multiple ISB is better tbh
21:07.06Stanzillawaves at Antiarc
21:07.07AntiarcXinhuan: Force threat synchs after a taunt
21:07.09Diaoif they hit at different times
21:07.09charonXinhuan: if two tanks taunt nearly at the same time, the second taunt will almost surely get threat wrong because he has not updated the first tank's threat yet
21:07.10Antiarc<PROTECTED>
21:07.12durcynat equivalent gear, immo/incin edges out sb spam
21:07.13Tekkubthis one is so full of hair and food crumbs
21:07.13charonso i'd like to force sync
21:07.20durcynassuming COE + imp scorch
21:07.24Diaoi dunno
21:07.30Diaowe had a lock try out fire cause he really wanted to
21:07.37Diaoand he got completely beasted by our top shadow lock
21:07.47selckinyou need the right gear for it
21:07.47NeoTron_I've realized that elemental shamans do sick damage
21:07.57Xinhuanif 2 tanks taunt at the same time, its likely both gets the same threat as the mob only gets one taunt debuff
21:07.58selckinand never forget to take grp setup in account
21:08.02NeoTron_meaning they beat all other caster classes if you remove the synergy
21:08.32Xinhuanthe downside i'm seeing is in the rollback case, where you republish
21:08.33NeoTron_in ZA groups without SP I'm amazingly disadvantaged
21:08.43Xinhuanso ppl will see his threat jump up, then back down
21:08.50NeoTron_Diao: fire is harder and you need the gear and fire mages to support it
21:09.00Diaowe had 1 fire mage at the time
21:09.02Diaokeeping imp scorch up
21:09.08selckinyou need haste for it
21:09.10Diaoand they had similar spelldamage levels
21:09.14NeoTron_the lock needs to keep immolate up
21:09.20Diaobut then
21:09.22NeoTron_which is easy to "fail" with if you'ren ot used to it
21:09.25Diaomost of our locks are terrible
21:09.29Diaoexcept for that one shadow lock
21:09.41charonXinhuan: hmm you have a point there, at the time i put in the force publish it's still in a transaction. need a better solution
21:09.41Diaohe's the only lock that comes anywhere near our rogues on single target boss fights
21:09.59Xinhuanadmittedly, a taunt resist chance is very low
21:10.29CIA-4403LordFarlander * r78148 10Baldrick/Baldrick.toc:
21:10.29CIA-44Baldrick:
21:10.29CIA-44- 1.0 official release
21:10.30NeoTron_Diao: but... lock is easy
21:10.32NeoTron_shadow lock that is
21:10.34Gnarfozcharon: that'll just speed up the showing up of the updated values, all in all, right? instead of waiting for the next threat event to republish?
21:10.38NeoTron_pressing one button repeatedly is not hard
21:10.43Diaoyeah, but for some reason
21:10.45NeoTron_but I know what you mean
21:10.51Diaoi don't know why they're so bad
21:10.53XinhuanGnarfoz, yes, unless it is rollbacked due to a taunt resist
21:10.57NeoTron_we have had two locks that just failed at pressing one button often enough to compete
21:10.59Diaohe's one of the worse geared locks too
21:11.02SnagoDid WWI reveal what classcolor the DK will have?
21:11.02Diaowhich is funny
21:11.10Diaotop dps with worst gear out of the locks
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21:11.31NeoTron_like both locks were about the same as the top 3 locks.. if they used CoD (5-6 minute fights) and the top 3 locks did not
21:11.41charonGnarfoz: yeah well that's what i intended to do, but as xinhuan has pointed out, it's a no-op because of the transaction
21:11.48charonneed a better solution for taunt resists first
21:11.53NeoTron_optimizng use of trinket and such helps. good life tap skills help a lot
21:12.20Xinhuanthe thing about transactions is that it doesn't actually do anything until 60ms+ping later
21:13.02charonit was only a stopgap measure ... all we had was a transaction hammer for the resist nail
21:13.21charoni think it would be safe to assume the resist always follows the spell
21:13.34charonso technically it could decide on taunt or resist on the next event already
21:13.45Xinhuancharon, the forcepublish should prob be somewhere in the committransactino code or something, but that's icky anyhow
21:14.14charonfor some things it's ok... some spells get resists much later on iirc
21:14.19charonbut taunt resists directly follow
21:14.56selckinsoulshatter even gets resisted before the cast event
21:14.56Diaooh yeah
21:15.05Diaoone of our locks last night was saying he was getting 5k threat per sb cast with salv on
21:15.08Diaowhich i don't think is possible
21:15.13SwtzGuys, can someone please look into my code http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14153.msg228308#msg228308 and comment? I am having a really hard time to test the code without actually having to go to the boss and test it there.
21:15.17Diaobut i think he's just stupid in general
21:15.48NeoTron_Diao: depends on how hard he hit
21:15.59Diao5k a cast?
21:16.03Diaoi could see maybe 5k on a crit
21:16.06Diaobut not on every cast
21:16.07NeoTron_crits > 8k => more than 5k threat per cast
21:16.19Xinhuanyah, soulshatter fails in that case
21:16.27Xinhuanif the resist message is received before the SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS
21:16.32Xinhuanin omen that is
21:16.49Diaohe doesn't crit over 8k
21:16.51NeoTron_is that the source of soul shatter resists not being registerd?
21:17.03NeoTron_Diao: then he doesn't generate more than 5k threat, ever :P
21:17.06Diaoexactly
21:17.08Diaolol
21:17.12NeoTron_not like it's hard to calculate
21:17.18NeoTron_dmg * 0.9 * 0.7
21:17.51Diaoyep
21:17.57Tekkubis it an unspoken rule that you should pick your nose before getting a sepum piercing so it's nice and clean for the piercer?
21:18.01NeoTron_if he didn't spec for reduced threat, remove the * 0.9 (might be /1.1/1.3 - not sure how it's calculated)
21:18.04Tekkub*septum
21:18.12Diaoi think it's multiplied
21:18.57NeoTron_last night we killed Brutallus with a dead weight in the raid (prot pally, in theer to get tier gear and perhaps the mace)
21:19.07NeoTron_we made it, very barely, because we had a DPS die for part of the fight too
21:19.12NeoTron_and we get tripple druid tokens
21:19.16Diaolol
21:19.25NeoTron_the only belt piece we've had ppl get seconds of
21:19.34NeoTron_three druids won their 2nd/3rd belts
21:19.38NeoTron_retarded
21:19.39Gnarfozif a hunter FD's, UNIT_HEALTH will fire to update his health to 0, right?
21:20.03Gnarfoz(because he's "dying")
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21:20.14XinhuanNeoTron, the prot pally is capable of tanking brut
21:20.46NeoTron_no he's not
21:20.54Diaonot geared enough?
21:20.56Xinhuanmy guild has killed brutallus with warr/warr, warr/druid, warr/pally, druid/pally tanking combinations ;p
21:20.59NeoTron_not good enough
21:21.06Diaooh
21:21.10NeoTron_he's a typical "we'd rather get another tank but we can't" player
21:21.24NeoTron_we need him, but he's not good
21:21.31NeoTron_he never MT's anything because he's bad at it
21:21.49NeoTron_he's also one of the longest standing members in the raid
21:21.53NeoTron_s/raid/guild/
21:22.06NivFreakbtw
21:22.09NeoTron_for wotlk he plans to go deathknight and that is when we plan to phase him out
21:22.13NivFreakmy prot pally failed at tanking phase 3 RoS
21:22.14NivFreakI had to do it
21:22.29NivFreakhe couldn't put up enough threat
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21:23.24NeoTron_as a guild, we JUST got a good prot warrior (and a good arms warrior)
21:23.37NeoTron_and I can say this because I can compare to our previos ones
21:23.48NeoTron_the arms warrior did 1550ish DPS on brutallus
21:23.49NivFreakthere are so many bad warriors
21:23.52Pkekyo|dingalingdingdon
21:23.52NeoTron_having to keep Thunderclap up
21:23.53Pkekyo|g
21:24.04NeoTron_which is pretty painful as a deeps warrior
21:24.14Kuosiit is
21:24.18NivFreakwhy wasn't the prot warrior doing it?
21:24.20Kuosiatleast for arms war
21:24.23Kuosikeeping tc is lol
21:24.25NeoTron_2xdruid tank
21:24.27NivFreakah
21:24.33NivFreakso you have one, but he's not tanking yet
21:24.39NeoTron_prot warrior isn't geared yet
21:24.41NivFreakah
21:24.50NivFreakI have my dps warrior keep imp ds up, and I do imp TC
21:24.56NeoTron_when he oined he had no t6 token gear (he has 4 now). his shield is lol (gruul I believe) etc
21:24.57Kuosithe arms war would almost have to sit on bstance and drop ww off cycle
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21:25.12NeoTron_Kuosi: the loss is about 200-300 dps I believe
21:25.14CIA-4403antiarc * r78149 10HiveMind/ (HiveMind.toc core.lua data.lua gui.lua libs/utf8.lua): HiveMind: Bugfixes aplenty!
21:25.20NeoTron_this arms warrior has done over 1800 DPS on brutallus
21:25.25Kuosisomething like that yes
21:25.38Kuosihaving to swap to battle from bers can seriously gimp your cycles
21:25.47NeoTron_out previous arms warrior once did 1600ish dps but most typically around 1450
21:25.52Diaoeh
21:25.55Diaoit's very easy to time your swaps
21:26.02NivFreakshit, I might spec TM if I had to dps and keep up TC ;)
21:26.04Diaoyou do it after you've burned all your rage and just before a weapon swing
21:26.14NeoTron_it's still a loss
21:26.28NivFreakfor sure
21:26.33Diaowell
21:26.39Diaoyou do lose 17 rage for the debuff
21:26.39NeoTron_but we got twins down without really solid warriors at all
21:26.54NeoTron_all the way from karazhan
21:27.02Xinhuanour prot pally builds solid threat hehe
21:27.04Diaowhich i guess is 1 slam
21:27.13Diaobut 1 slam worth of dps per 30 sec
21:27.13NeoTron_and to make it more fun, we've had even worse warriors that then ones we had during t6 conten
21:27.16Diaois not a big issue :O
21:27.25Xinhuanmisdirect brut to him on the pull and 3 secs later he has 12k threat up
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21:28.09NeoTron_Xinhuan: curious, does he use seal switching?  
21:28.16NeoTron_well alliance or horde ?
21:28.19Xinhuanalliance
21:28.24Xinhuandon't think so
21:28.35NeoTron_so in theory he can have the dot up while using SoR for most extra threat
21:28.55Xinhuanhttp://wowwebstats.com/kdioh441pthti?s=6420-33783
21:29.04Xinhuanhere's one of the brut kills, about 8 hours ago
21:29.39NeoTron_nope clearly sticking to SoR
21:29.51Xinhuanhe does take a bit more damage though, compared to the warrior, but he tanked the first pull, as well as the last bit
21:30.31Xinhuanoh also, my DPS is without spriest nor shaman ;p
21:30.32NivFreakI'd like to see a solid prot pally some day, I've never found one that could build good single target threat
21:31.01selckinbecause the class can't do it
21:31.06Diaosure it can
21:31.10Xinhuanthe only boss we didn't let him tank in BT was illidan.. and only because he's one of our fire ele tanks
21:31.15selckinDiao: tell me how
21:31.17Diaoour prot pally generates nearly as much threat as i do
21:31.24Diaoand i'm fully hit capped/nearly expertise capped
21:31.25Diaoas a warrior
21:31.29NivFreakI always hear about amazing single target threat out of paladin tanks, and I've never seen it
21:31.46Diaoi get like
21:31.47selckinthats only in low content and a myth
21:31.52Diao2% parry over an entire raid
21:31.54Xinhuanwell i just linked a wws of my guild, that killed brut, with a pally tanking ^^
21:31.55Diao0 dodges 0 misses
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21:32.32NeoTron_one brut attempt me and another lock was sitting around 2800 DPS for the first minute and a half
21:32.44NeoTron_we didn't pull aggro ff the two druid tanks but it was close in the end
21:33.15Xinhuanya druids are good tanks too
21:33.25Xinhuani assure you pallies are capable tanks ^^
21:33.38Xinhuanjust as good on kalecgos, and even more so on bloodboil
21:33.54Xinhuanyou know how when the felraged person dies, bb runs back to one of the tanks?
21:34.14Xinhuanour prot pally just tanks him for 15 secs in felrage without dying, everytime
21:34.25Kuosihum how does pala keep up in threat @ bloodboil
21:34.47Xinhuani don't know how he does it
21:34.48Xinhuanbut he does
21:34.54Kuosiguess its possible
21:35.11Kuosihavent tried on pala myself
21:35.16selckindoes he start off?
21:35.25Xinhuanyes he starts off
21:35.29Kuosionly boss my pala has tanked in bt is illidan :o
21:35.37selckinif you outgear it, you can tank it all the way anywya
21:36.32Kuosipala tanks still have slightly less avoidance than warriors
21:36.46Kuositake slightly more dmg
21:36.58NivFreakhrm?
21:37.06NivFreakmaybe pure avoidance
21:37.35Kuosiwell if you compare warrior items vs palatank ones
21:37.42Kuosiwar ones clearly have more avoidance stats
21:37.56Diaodepends on which items you're comparing
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21:38.05NivFreakyea, I don't gear for avoidance in general
21:38.08Cheadslootrank down?
21:38.10Diaomy gear is all threat
21:38.11NivFreakI just keep a healthy amount of it
21:38.13NivFreakyea
21:38.20NivFreakI gear for threat and effective health
21:38.24NivFreakto a point
21:38.31Diaohttp://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blackrock&n=Diaox
21:38.34Diaothat's my current threat gear
21:38.39Diaostill haven't gotten shield to drop off kaz'rogal :(
21:38.43Diaoor i'd be using that instead
21:38.44Kuosieh in general is the best when progressing
21:39.16NivFreakmine minus a trinket
21:39.18NivFreakhttp://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostwolf&n=Nivwar
21:39.28NivFreakand I sometimes swap my ranged
21:39.36Diaoi used pocketwatch
21:39.38Diaountil i got my dst
21:39.40Diaofor threat
21:39.42NivFreaklol
21:39.45NivFreakI wish I had a DST
21:39.46Diaobut i swap in pocketwatch for avoidance
21:39.54Diaolike i said, my guild is incredibly lucky with dst lol
21:39.56NivFreakI use an autoblocker for the other slot
21:39.57Diaoout of 14 gruul kills we got 7
21:40.06NivFreakwe've seen zero in this guild
21:40.09NivFreaksaw 2 in the last
21:40.16Kuosimy rogue still doesnt have one =(
21:40.41Diaoit's pretty amazing to be hit capped and nearly expertise capped
21:40.51Diaoand have a 1.3 attack speed with mongoose/dst up :P
21:40.51NivFreakyea, I can cap both
21:40.55Diaocan you?
21:41.09Diaoi thought the cap was like 63 expertise value
21:41.14Diaowhich was practically impossible to reach
21:41.16sbXinhuan: 5:50 is way better than our kills :/
21:41.17Diaoeven with orc/human racial
21:41.20NivFreakwell, dodge cap
21:41.23Diaooh
21:41.26Diaoyeah i was talking about parry cap
21:41.28Diaoi'm way over dodge lol
21:41.29NivFreakyou can't really cap parry
21:41.32NivFreakI can get to 12.12%
21:41.37Diaositting at 44 expertise right now i think
21:41.47Diaoif i could get into sunwell
21:41.50Diaofor the t6 pieces that have expertise
21:41.54Diaoi'd be a bit closer
21:41.55NivFreakbut my basic goal is dodge cap/hit cap/EH
21:41.58Diaooh, never mind i have 50 expertise
21:42.26Diaoand yeah
21:42.45Diaomy guild is just starting bt
21:42.51Diaoso i won't have access to some of the better pieces for a bit
21:42.51Kuosisunwell gear is pampered with expertise
21:42.54Kuosihit rating: 0
21:43.02Diaoyeah, but i'm already hit capped so i don't worry about it
21:43.05NivFreakI have everything you have equipped, minus the rings and DST
21:43.08Diaomore expertise/EH
21:43.20Diaowhy'd you go with 12 dodge over 12 def? O_o
21:43.23VonhintenHOME`jesus CHRIST alliance sucks in PVP
21:43.25Diaoisn't 12 def more effective avoidance
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21:44.58NivFreakit's .6% pure avoidance for 12 def
21:45.02NivFreakand .63% for dodge
21:45.04Diaoyeah
21:45.16Diaobut then you get the block chance on top of the avoidance with def?
21:45.29NivFreakso .62% vs .63% :P
21:45.43Diaoer
21:45.44Diaowhat
21:45.50Diaoisn't it .8 vs .63
21:45.55Diaothought it was .2 of each block/parry/dodge/miss
21:45.57NivFreaker
21:45.58NivFreakmy bad
21:45.58NivFreakyea
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21:46.04NivFreaktired ;P
21:46.06Diaohaha
21:46.09Diaoyeah
21:46.15NivFreakbut anyway, I had this enchant before steelweave was out
21:46.18Diaoah ok
21:46.23NivFreakno reason to reenchant it
21:46.27NivFreakI'd prefer more pure avoidance
21:46.30Diaooh
21:47.02NivFreakplus, I just feel silly having 545 defense
21:47.06Diaohaha
21:47.25NivFreakI wish the BV meta was stam instead of defense...
21:47.30Diaoi'm kind of saddened that none of my gear can really be upgraded pre-sunwell except my helm
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21:47.44Diaoand my shield which kaz'rogal won't drop >:(
21:47.57NivFreakI think our holy pallys have them
21:47.58NivFreaklol
21:48.02Diaolike
21:48.03NivFreakand 4/8 t6 == hotness
21:48.03Kuosiyup
21:48.06Diaomy guild has incredible luck
21:48.10Diaowith trinkets and weapons
21:48.12Diaobut zero luck with shields
21:48.15Kuosimy pala has that shield in bank too
21:48.22Diaowe've never seen a shield drop in 25 man raids
21:48.23Diaoever.
21:48.27NivFreakand you need avoidance for sunwell
21:48.31NivFreakwhich you are lacking
21:48.32Kuosievery pala has illi shield aswell tho
21:48.38Diaooh my avoidance set is completely different
21:48.40Diaolol
21:48.43Diaoi've got like
21:48.52Diao60+% avoidance in my avoidance gear
21:49.09Gnarfoznevcairiel: why can't bt4 (or bt3 for that matter) swap bars on double modifier conditions (i.e. swap on altshift)?
21:49.11NivFreakI wish I had t5 chest
21:49.20Diaolike 28% dodge, 17% miss, 17% parry
21:49.23Diaoor something ridiculous
21:49.24NivFreakI'd use it over the badge chest, and use my badge legs instead
21:49.33NeoTron_err
21:49.37NeoTron_17% miss?
21:49.38NivFreakI have a passive uncrushable set w/ GoA and agi elixir ;)
21:49.42NeoTron_you can't buff "miss chance"
21:49.46NivFreakyes you can
21:49.47Diaosure you can
21:49.48NivFreakwith defense
21:49.48NivFreak:P
21:49.52NeoTron_oh
21:49.52Diaohigh defense increases miss chance
21:50.04Diaoevery point of defense = .04% miss
21:50.12NeoTron_fair enough
21:50.15NivFreakdodge is going to be the hotness in wrath
21:50.16Diaobut yeah
21:50.20Diaomy druids are jealous
21:50.24NivFreakwe generate rage when dodging now!
21:50.29Diaobecause i have more avoidance from dodge/parry/miss than they do from dodge/miss
21:50.37Diaolol
21:50.44profalbertso... how can I break the link betwenn two fortress-plugins, once they are linked?
21:51.08Diaoi still need the alar cloak
21:51.13Diaothere's no better avoidance cloak in the game afaik
21:51.20NivFreakI have it
21:51.42NivFreakI really want the TK trash ring
21:51.45Diaolol
21:51.45NivFreakI have it on my pally tank
21:51.55Diaois that better than uh
21:52.02Diaohyjal reward/whatever other ring?
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21:52.22NivFreakfor avoidance yea
21:52.27Diaooh
21:52.27NivFreakI want it for my passive uncrushable set ;)
21:52.29Diaoerr
21:52.37Diaobecause of the block chance?
21:52.38Groktardoesn't the tk ring just have a bunch of block value?
21:52.40Kuosiyes
21:52.44Kuosiit has block rating
21:52.45Diaoi use tk + tidewalker ring atm
21:52.52Kuosimorogrim ring is gooood
21:52.54Diaoneed to kill kael before i can get the hyjal rep reward ring
21:52.56Kuosifor pure avoidance
21:52.56NivFreakblock rating is the best way to become uncrushable
21:52.58NivFreakpassivly
21:53.01Kuosiyes
21:53.02Diaoyeah it is
21:53.07Diaotidewalker ring is awesome
21:53.24Kuosibut rep ring is still best all around you can get pre sunwell
21:53.26NivFreakI passed that to another warrior
21:53.30Diaoheh
21:53.31NivFreakand he quit the next raid
21:53.33NivFreaknever saw it again
21:53.35Diaowe have 2 active warriors
21:53.36Diaoi'm one
21:53.40Diaoand i'm GM/RL/ML
21:53.45Diaoso i show up to every raid
21:53.47NivFreakI'm GM/RL/MT :P
21:53.53Diaotop dkp no matter what i take :D
21:53.55NivFreakand now the sole prot warrior
21:53.57Diaoyeah
21:54.07Diaoi'm MT most of the time
21:54.11Diaoif i'm bored i let our pally MT
21:54.14Diaoand i dps
21:54.20Diaoand compete with rogues
21:54.21NivFreakI try to switch it up
21:54.27NivFreakbut so far it only has worked well for azgalor
21:54.31Diaoah
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21:54.43Kuosinot much competition if equally geared rogues with brain :P
21:54.49Diaowell
21:54.57Diaoi'm one of the only people who's geared for both pve/pvp
21:54.57Kuosifury is n/c and arms dont compete rly
21:55.00Diaoso i was using s3 weapons
21:55.06Diaobefore they had badge weapons
21:55.11NivFreakI just like beating some of our DPS as prot in akama
21:55.17Kuosido your rogues not have s4 weaps by now? :o
21:55.18NivFreakand then making fun of them for a week
21:55.20Diaono
21:55.22Diaonone of our rogues pvp
21:55.23Kuosipve gear rogue = profit
21:55.25Kuosit.t
21:55.26Diaoso they can't get s4
21:55.29Diaoi'm the closest to getting it
21:55.30Diaolol
21:55.38Diaoso i'll have s4 while they're using s2/badge
21:55.41Diaoone of our rogues has s3
21:55.45Diaohe got it right at the end of the season
21:55.55Kuosii bought s4 oh on rogue because hasnt gotten savagery/oh glaiv :(
21:56.02Diaoplus, i got s4 helm
21:56.06Diaowhich is the best warrior dps helm in the game
21:56.10Diaoaside from crown of anasterian off KJ
21:56.19NivFreakI still have a S3 helm
21:56.20Kuosihum
21:56.21NivFreakI'm bad
21:56.22Kuosithe mail one
21:56.22NivFreak;)
21:56.25Kuosifrom sunwell
21:56.26Diaolol
21:56.27Kuosiis pretty sick
21:56.29Kuosifor war aswell
21:56.34Diaotrue, but i think s4 beats it out
21:56.40NivFreakI actually haven't played a single arena game this season
21:56.59Kuosii've gotten weapons on both my war and rogue
21:57.18Diaoi assume you're talking about coif of alleria for helm
21:57.25Diaowhich has stats wasted on int
21:57.35Kuosiyes
21:57.38Diaoand drops off kj too
21:57.46NeoTron_Diao: didn't you hear - pvp gear is useless for pve! ...
21:57.49Diaolol
21:58.06NeoTron_a pvpers argument "it's not like the pvp gear is useful for pve"
21:58.15NivFreaklol
21:58.29Diao45 str, 18 hit, 41 crit, 84 armor ignore with meta/yellow and 4 crit bonus
21:58.44NivFreaktell druids that pvp gear sucks for pve
21:58.46Diaovs 43 agi, 34 crit, 126 ap, 182 ArP
21:58.49Diaoand red/meta
21:58.50Kuosiyes its serious business that s4 sword for bf warrior is better than kj sword
21:58.53Diaowith 4 agi :9
21:58.54Kuosiwell designed by blizz
21:58.57Diaoyeah
21:58.58Diaothat sword
21:59.01Diaoended up being a hunter type sword even
21:59.03Kuosi3.4speed
21:59.05Kuosi:))))
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21:59.05Diao3.4 speed /sad
21:59.12Kuosiretri weapon
21:59.19vithoshunters don't want that
21:59.20Diaohorde ret*
21:59.25Diaonot even alliance
21:59.36Kuosiye most likely not that good for seal of casino users
21:59.38Diaowhy wouldn't they want it
22:00.04Diaoshivering felspine still better?
22:00.06vithosshivering felspine or shiv of exanguination x2
22:00.17Tem|laptop~fear of complexity
22:00.18purlFEAR OF COMPLEXITY: That which causes you to implement as little as possible, as simplicity is easier to fix. As well, that which prevents feature creep due to the environmental damage it causes. Hence, the fourth great virtue of a programmer.
22:00.20vithosor one of the 1h's off KJ maybe.
22:00.21Kuosibut you said about points being invested in useless int
22:01.03Diaofelspine is for surv hunters though isn't it
22:01.03Kuosihave you taken a look how warrior dps items from sunwell lack stats in general? :O
22:01.03Diaoyeah true
22:01.03Diaoi wish i were on a easier battlegroup though
22:01.03Diaogetting 2k+ on bg9 sucks
22:01.03Kuositake f.e retri t6 belt vs t6 war belt :P
22:01.03vithosit's not just for survival
22:01.07Diaowouldn't bm just stack ap/crit
22:01.10Diaoover agi
22:01.14vithosno
22:01.23Kuosiwar belt has no stamina at all and still worse dps stats in every aspect
22:02.13vithosagi 0.829 / ap 0.369 (0.739) / crit 0.695 / pen 0.137 (0.961) / haste 1.013
22:02.24Kuosibm hunters hit agi aswell
22:02.30Diaoyeah wait wth
22:02.35Diaohow did warrior item get itemized so badly
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22:02.44Diaofor the same ilvl
22:02.55Diaosockets are worth the same aren't they
22:03.04Kuosimaking up for the aweysome paladin t6 bonus? :D
22:03.15Kuosibest 4part bonus fo sho
22:03.17Diaolol
22:03.19Diaoyeah well
22:03.21Kuosi10% more hammer of lol dmg
22:03.22Diaolook at ret pally pvp gloves
22:03.26Kuosihaha y
22:03.31Diaowhy don't warriors get a sick bonus like that
22:03.34Diao5% extra damage
22:03.36Diaoon 1 item
22:03.37Diaoffs
22:04.10CIA-4403antiarc * r78150 10HiveMind/ (data.lua gui.lua): HiveMind: Add data for all remaining classes.
22:05.31Kuosimy friend who raids sunwell as arms said he got 3 plate items that are best in slot for him
22:05.36Kuosiand those are the new t6 parts
22:05.40Diaoyeah
22:05.46Kuosiso the itemisation for warriors is pretty gooood
22:06.04NeoTron_the new t6 token items are about the best of slot for all classes
22:06.07NeoTron_they are truly good items
22:06.22Kuosiyes
22:06.49Diaothey could put some hit on it or something :(
22:06.54Kuosithen again thats not too suprising
22:07.03Kuosias they have higher ilvl than any other parts for those slots
22:07.10Kuosiand sunwell doesnt have non tier drops for those slots
22:07.23NeoTron_Kuosi: well in t6 level gear, t6 tokens were never best of slow
22:07.27NeoTron_for locks at least ]
22:07.33Kuositrue
22:07.41Kuosibut well
22:07.44NeoTron_only best to hav 4 of them due to the 4 pc bonus
22:07.49Kuosithere was alternatives for those slots on same ilvl
22:07.53Kuosiin sunwell there arent :P
22:08.24NeoTron_that is true
22:08.33NeoTron_but it doesn't change that the pieces aren't just better but amazingly better
22:08.36NeoTron_like they have good stats
22:08.52Kuosiyup
22:08.53NeoTron_regardless of ileevl there's lots of bad items pre-swp
22:09.24Kuosifor rogue all by far better than old best in slot items
22:09.29Kuosibracers closest
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22:09.50Kuosibut then again there was no good boots/belt in bt/hyjal gear lvl
22:09.55Kuosishadowmasters are just lol =(
22:09.59Kuosisame with shit hyjal belt
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22:11.02NivFreakI think feral druid t6 is best in slot ;)
22:11.22Kuosibarely beating s3 :D
22:11.31NivFreakregardless
22:12.09Kuosistill best joke
22:12.19Kuosishadowmasters vs slayer's boots
22:12.54Kuosi+13ilvl
22:13.06Kuosiand t6 gives like atleast double aep
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22:13.34Kuosiwell not quite double
22:13.37Kuosibut still
22:14.59Funkeh`woot
22:15.08Funkeh`continuum was good
22:15.17selckini didn't like it
22:15.34Funkeh`awesome to see all the old people back
22:15.40Funkeh`even the system lords
22:15.51Pkekyo|lolwut, shamans gain +healing from strength?!
22:16.27Tekkubshit continuum's out?
22:16.29GnarfozFunkeh`: wut? new SG-1 movie or what
22:16.30Tekkub*downloads*
22:16.39Funkeh`yeah lol
22:17.25Kuosihummmm
22:17.38Tekkub*slashdance* I have something to watch tonight
22:17.39Kuositb ->
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22:20.44Stanzilladiablo 3 wallpaper here :P
22:21.17Tekkubhttp://www.wowinsider.com/2008/07/09/around-azeroth-moist-steak/
22:21.21Tekkubthat is fucking win
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22:22.53Kuosi:O
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22:25.30NivFreakmeh, I'm tempted to cheese up bloodboil and use a disc priest
22:25.37NivFreakI'm tired of mages getting fel raged
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22:26.04Gnarfozugh I hate bloodboil with too many squishies
22:26.08selckinyou still have trouble on that?
22:26.33CIA-4403Copystring * r78151 10YurrCombatLog/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
22:26.33CIA-44YurrCombatLog:
22:26.33CIA-44- Added LibDataBroker-1.1 stuff, improved some code
22:26.59NivFreakstill?
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22:27.18NivFreakWe've killed him like twice
22:27.19NivFreak:P
22:27.20selckindunno, thought you where in sunwell
22:27.24NivFreaknah
22:27.34NivFreakfarming heart for mother *sigh*
22:27.57selckinmake sure paladin healers in a bb grp
22:28.02NivFreakeverytime I ask someone what they do about mages on bloodboil, they say replace them :)
22:28.06NivFreakor use a disc priest
22:28.12selckinbig heals!
22:28.14selckinit works
22:28.27Kuosimake sure they use frost armor
22:28.31Gnarfozhow would a paladin in a BB group help?
22:28.33NivFreakeven with 6 healers spamming the mages with max rank heals
22:28.34NivFreakthey die
22:28.38Kuosian they are still healable
22:28.41NivFreakand we have them use frost armor
22:28.56selckinGnarfoz: mana for big heals :<
22:29.03Gnarfozhuh?
22:29.12selckini always ended up in the tank group not getting bb, it blows :p
22:29.16Gnarfozhow does BB affect anyones ability to heal
22:29.23selckinGnarfoz: dmg = heals = mana
22:29.24NivFreakpaladins that get healed
22:29.27NivFreakget mana back
22:29.33Gnarfozhm right, yeah.
22:29.53GnarfozI guess our's are anyway, never thought about that particular side of it, though ^^
22:29.56Kuosijust hope rogues get fel enrage :o
22:30.00NivFreakyea
22:30.04Gnarfozrogues are win for fel rage ^^
22:30.09selckinthey aren't spamming max rank tho if the mage dies
22:30.12NeoTron_plus they wear plate armor and bloodboil is mitigated by armor
22:30.19NivFreakwe tend to lose our priests too, which suprises me
22:31.16selckini remember ppl getting armor pots or something or the other for it
22:31.20NeoTron_shadow priest with BB => win
22:31.21selckinwhen learning
22:31.32NeoTron_2k healing from VE from MF :P
22:31.54selckinmake sure debuffs are kept up during it
22:32.03NivFreakselckin: I gave our mages all ironshields
22:32.05NivFreakthey used them
22:32.06NivFreakstill die
22:32.20selckinexpiration and /point at healers
22:32.25NivFreakthe only part of the fight we've had problems with is mages/priests getting fel rage
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22:33.40NivFreak10-17K dmg per hit
22:33.42Kuosipriest can heal himself for quite a lot
22:33.45NivFreakplus bloodboil
22:33.46Kuosiand use innerfire :o
22:33.50NivFreakKuosi: they do
22:33.59NivFreakwhich is why I was suprised
22:34.01NivFreakusually they are ok
22:34.27selckinsome healers are probably trying to save mana
22:34.39NivFreaklikely
22:34.46selckinmake sure to assign 1 keep tanks up
22:35.01NivFreakwe assign one for bloodboils and one for tanks
22:35.07selckinwith like 5-6 healers on fr nobody should die
22:35.10NivFreakalthough, it sucks if you end up with 20 stacks as a tank
22:35.13NivFreakand only one healer ;)
22:35.37NeoTron_how many healers do you run with?
22:37.19NivFreaklately 8
22:37.22NivFreakusually 7
22:37.43NivFreakit's not that we can't kill bloodboil, it's just that it's not a one shot
22:37.45NivFreakwhich I dislike
22:38.07NivFreakand man, I have hyjal tonight with like 4 new people
22:38.11NivFreakarchimonde is gonna suck...
22:38.33selckinin my experience, the recruits usually do fine on that one :p
22:38.52NivFreakit's a random
22:38.58CIA-4403profalbert * r78152 10ZOMGBuffs/modules.xml:
22:38.58CIA-44ZOMGBuffs:
22:38.58CIA-44- fix modules.xml to be wellformed xml
22:38.59NivFreakyou never know if they will fail or not
22:39.29selckinonce you get used to it, it doesn't mather in a few ppl die
22:40.03NivFreak5 second silence is difficult to survive
22:40.15NivFreakit almost always chains
22:40.46NivFreakI think archimonde, teron, and bloodboil are the only bosses we really have many issues with on an ongoing basis
22:40.46erikhwe
22:40.52NivFreakteron is new people failing at bars
22:40.55erikhwe're on archimonde right now
22:41.00NivFreakarchimonde is the random person who fails
22:41.01selckinif you have hots ticking it should be fine
22:41.09selckinteron is lol indeed
22:41.14selckinsomeone always fails
22:41.23NivFreaktank death is not generally the cause of failure on archimonde
22:41.27erikhyeah, i've been trying to get our GM to recruit more druids
22:41.29NivFreakfor us
22:41.43NivFreakI have my ferals decurse and heal on him
22:41.51erikhhmm...
22:41.53erikhnot a bad idea.
22:41.59NivFreakdps isn't really needed
22:42.00erikhwe do normally have a feral or two in there.
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22:42.17erikhI'm normally the only resto, and I'm not sure how carrion swarm is chosen but I normally have it non-stop
22:42.39selckinwhen learning our ferals respecced too
22:42.48NivFreakwe don't have them respec
22:42.48erikhI'll suggest it to our gm.
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22:43.02erikhyeah, even some basic heal gear and lifebloom would be a big help
22:43.06NivFreakI just have them decurse as #1 priority
22:43.15NivFreakthen keep hots up on me
22:43.17erikhit's not like they're going to be doing any real dmg
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22:43.20NivFreakyea
22:43.24NivFreakand it's not like you need the dmg
22:43.30NivFreak6000DPS to kill archimonde before enrage
22:43.31Gnarfozprofalbert: quick question: is there some way I can make Parrot (not using the new branch, fyi) *not* show mana gains for my pet? (I guess _AFFILIATION_MINE is in there somewhere, which includes pet :\ I've got the talent that gives my pet 100% of my mana gains from Life Tap, and thus, every time I use LT, it shows double the amount because of merging)
22:43.51selckinits only gold, and it helps :)
22:44.03NivFreakso yea, looking at our last bloodboil mage failure
22:44.15erikhyeah, but generally we use the ferals to take adds in the waves and help w/ winterchill
22:44.24NivFreakhe had bloodboil, 5K ticks from fel-acid breath and 10-17K melee hits
22:44.29NivFreakthat sucked
22:45.10selckini forgot how fel acid works
22:45.19selckinbad spreading?
22:45.40NivFreakI thought it hit the person who was fel raged
22:45.49NivFreakand splashes to others
22:45.50profalbertGnarfoz: go to Code/CombatEvents.lua, line 2179 and remove the " or (dstGUID == self.PetGUID) "
22:45.52selckinits a debuff, taks get it sometimes
22:45.57selckin*tanks, all i know :)
22:46.05selckinso frontal thing probably
22:46.14selckini never pay attention anymore in bt
22:46.33Gnarfozprofalbert: srsly, you know that code off the top off your head by now ;)
22:47.02Gnarfozprofalbert: thanks ;) any idea if that could be made user toggleable for cases like these?
22:47.18NivFreakInflicts 2850 to 3150 Nature damage and an additional 2750 damage every 5 sec sec. to enemies in a cone in front of the caster. Lasts 20 sec.
22:47.23NivFreakso yea, you can't really avoid it
22:47.36NivFreakbut it's ticking for 5K during fel rage
22:47.44profalbertGnarfoz: it can. I'll implement it in the branch, and I think I'll remove it in the trunk-version
22:47.57profalbertI mean remove this or-pet-thingy
22:48.11Gnarfozyeah, I was looking for it, but couldn't find it ^^
22:48.49selckini don't remember seeing it on fel raged ppl alot
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22:48.58CIA-44Broker_Tracking:
22:48.58CIA-44- tweaks
22:48.58CIA-44- fix clicking (frame, button)
22:49.17CIA-4403profalbert * r78155 10Parrot/Code/CombatEvents.lua:
22:49.17CIA-44Parrot:
22:49.17CIA-44- no longer show Mana-gains for pets as Player-mana-gains
22:49.39profalbertdrycoded :P
22:53.33erikhNivFreak: question; where do you guys send the infernals during anatheron?
22:53.54erikhper usual, my GM isn't interested in using advice from the people who have actually downed it and would prefer to invent something new..
22:54.05NeoTron_man I remember the days of wiping due to healer failure on bloodboil..
22:54.11NeoTron_now those days happen in SWP instead
22:54.24NivFreakerikh: we put them by jaina
22:54.30NivFreakover by the tower
22:54.44NivFreakyour healers can actually LoS the carrion swarm if they tuck behind it ;)
22:56.20NivFreakI put a group of casters on the hill, one by the ballista
22:56.45NivFreakface the area where he comes from, and have a hunter misdirect him to a spot where both groups can switch between the infernal and the boss without moving
22:57.15NivFreakit's such an easy fight
22:57.20Diaotuck behind it?
22:57.24Diaoexplain this
22:57.36NivFreakyou get on the other side of the tower from antheron
22:57.42NivFreakand heal the infernal tank from there
22:57.47Diaooh
22:57.48Diaoyeah we do that
22:57.53Diaothought you meant the MT healers could dodge it
22:57.59Diaonot the infernal tank
22:58.06Diaoactually you can outrange the carrion swarm completely
22:58.09Diaosince it's got a 50 yd range
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22:58.21Diaohealers stand at max range to heal OT, OT is ~30 yds away from MT
22:58.24Diaoswarm will never hit them
22:59.40NivFreakso looking at our failed attempts on bloodboil
22:59.57NivFreakwe usually lose someone after they get teh arcing smash's 50% healing debuff
23:00.04NivFreakfollowed by fel-acid breath
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23:22.51Hjalteckknight: I saw you added coords to the instances of Cartographer 3.0, is it the first step of some sort of instance navigation?
23:23.12ckknightHjalte: no, it's for the portal entrances
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23:25.57ZealotOnAStickFunkeh`, [Ammo], vhaarr around, any of ye?
23:26.10Funkeh`sort of
23:27.42ZealotOnAStickcan I beg really nicely for you to get a current package of BigWigs up on curse.com/curseforge within the next day or so?
23:27.52Funkeh`why
23:27.53ZealotOnAStickwell, I am . . . any chance of success?
23:28.23Funkeh`there isn't really any thing differences in the current package
23:28.26Funkeh`whats the problem
23:28.40ZealotOnAStickBecause, to be entirely honest, I don't want to deal with the massive numbers of e-mails and complaints I anticipate getting soon if there's not a "current" version up.
23:28.48ZealotOnAStickbecause the version on curse.com right now is months old.
23:29.59ZealotOnAStickand I like seeing versions that have m'uru and kil'jaeden modules working nicely and so forth for my preferred bossmod on curse, rather than seeing idiots say "Well it doesn't have this but DBM does"
23:30.03Funkeh`it's a 2.4.2 version
23:30.05CIA-4403nikkodemus * r78156 10BuffEnough/ (Locales/Locale-deDE.lua Locales.xml):
23:30.05CIA-44BuffEnough:
23:30.05CIA-44- added some deDE localization
23:30.08Funkeh`why would you get complaints
23:31.01Funkeh`um it has those mods
23:31.11Funkeh`ill update it later today
23:31.15Funkeh`I just dont see the urgency
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23:31.35ZealotOnAStickAnytime in the next day or so would be super.
23:32.36ZealotOnAStickI'm not sure I can share certain information yet that would explain why I care other than it's one of my job duties to try to keep valued addons updated and current.
23:33.04ZealotOnAStickand Thank you.
23:33.14Funkeh`uh.. okay
23:35.52Funkeh`I used to care to the point I converted my entire server to bigwigs, but I ran out of care a long time ago
23:38.39Megalonhands Funkeh` a carebear!
23:39.17Megalonhug it, when you're out of care!
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23:40.02NivFreakso screwing around in the wrath alpha
23:40.11NivFreakI noticed that shield block has a 30 second CD for warriors now..
23:40.14NivFreakor maybe it was 60
23:40.19NivFreakand talents only reduce that by 10
23:40.26NivFreakdid they pull out crushing blows I wonder?
23:40.41Tekkubyes
23:40.59Tekkubthey did away with crushing blows starting with, uh, ZA wasn't it?
23:41.02NivFreakno
23:41.15NivFreakbosses in ZA still crush
23:41.20NivFreaklynx does not
23:41.23Nechcknwait... no more crushing???
23:41.26NivFreakbut neither does archimonde for that matter
23:41.32NivFreakNechckn: that's what it seems like they are doing
23:41.34NivFreakor they fucked up
23:41.41Nechcknhmm... odd
23:41.53NivFreakno more defiance talnet
23:41.56NivFreaktalent
23:42.01Arrowmasterthere more than just archimonde that doesnt crush
23:42.07Nechcknunless they are going for something as of yet unrevealed.
23:42.09NivFreakthis is what I think my lvl 80 spec will be
23:42.12NivFreakhttp://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=LA0cZZVctMe0zcesguAo
23:42.23NivFreakArrowmaster: there's a few bosses, but there are plenty that still do
23:42.29ZealotOnAStickthere are crushes in Sunwell.
23:42.59NivFreakand in the alpha, your toons can still get crushed by normal mobs
23:43.06NivFreakso, maybe it's just unfinished
23:45.39TekkubAh okey, I missread crap I guess... they want to do away with crushing blows, but they've never set an actual deadline for doing it
23:45.54Tekkuband it's just kinda expected that the major changes to it will come with Wrath
23:46.10NivFreakblizzard talks about a lot of things though
23:46.14NivFreakand not all of them materialize
23:46.21Tekkubwell yea
23:46.33NeoTron_kalecgos -> felmust don't crush
23:46.35NeoTron_twins do
23:46.49Groktartwins crushing blows :(
23:46.50NivFreakbut shield block is huge at that gear level anyway
23:46.55Tekkubbut they're actually removing CB's bit by bit already, so that looks like something they are working on
23:47.03NivFreakI block somewhere around 1000 dmg off every attack that I block
23:47.22NeoTron_instead they make the NORMAL hits so hard that your tank can die in 1.5s or less if the heals happen to be off by 100 ms
23:47.34NivFreakNeoTron_: that should be fun
23:47.36NeoTron_who needs crushing blows when the mob hits for 16-18k dmg every 1.5s
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23:48.12NivFreak2.0?
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23:50.20NeoTron_?
23:50.33NivFreakdo they have hasted attack speeds?
23:50.37NivFreakmost bosses are 2.0 afaik
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23:50.57CIA-4403ulic * r78157 10LittleWigs/Auchindoun/Vorpil.lua: LittleWigs: Auch/Vorpil - Added banish back in, thanks reale
23:51.03Groktaranyway, speaking of twins crushing blows
23:51.17Groktarconfounding blow for 10k, and then they get off 1 extra attack
23:51.37Groktarwhich crushes often because you're disoriented
23:51.38Groktar:(
23:55.49NeoTron_Brutallus hits every 1.5s
23:56.06NeoTron_he dualwields and it's often 10-11k/5-6k when stomp is up
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23:56.19HjalteKalman|: Using DotDotDot, sometimes when banishing, I lose the timer. I'm not 100% sure what could make me lose it. I think it's either because I mouse over a similar mob that isnt banished by me or isnt banished or maybe because I sometimes start casting banish and then tap to another mob to be ready to attack. Have any idea?
23:56.36Kalman|The latter.
23:56.59Kalman|If you don't have it targetted, focused, or mouseovered when the triggering message hits, it won't get picked up.
23:57.16HjalteOh. That is probably it.
23:57.55HjalteHow come? Doesn't it show in the combat log if it succeeded or not?
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