IRC log for #wowace on 20080701

00:03.38WhiteRabiokey here we go..
00:03.50WhiteRabihttp://www.gorillaworm.com/images/wowui.jpg
00:03.57purlbeats the living hamstercrap out of ulic, courtesy of ulic
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00:04.18Zyndromego repair
00:04.36WhiteRabioops wrong one
00:04.39WhiteRabihttp://www.gorillaworm.com/images/wowui2.jpg
00:04.41WhiteRabiI did in that one rofl
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00:08.28CIA-4403tsigo * r77648 10RaidCooldowns/ModuleBase.lua: RaidCooldowns: Convert our cooldown to minutes when broadcasting to oRA.
00:09.07Zyndromeditch ElkBuffBars (if that's the one in the upper right corner) and use Buffalo or something instead, I don't see a reason why one should use buffbars when the length of the bar is very short :/
00:10.34Cryect2More useful when the bar is very short than when its very long
00:10.40Cryect2That length is plenty
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00:12.35CIA-4403morgalm * r77649 10MorgDKP/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
00:12.35CIA-44MorgDKP:
00:12.35CIA-44- Add relational DKP to dkplist/listdkp tablet
00:12.35CIA-44- ML/DE mode automatically turns off if you distribute loot to the ML/DE by left-clicking the tablet
00:12.35CIA-44- WEB! Fix duplicate members being added to eqdkp database with DKP/time
00:12.36CIA-44- Fix issue where eqdkp+ with no pools set wouldn’t export correctly (hopefully)
00:12.40CIA-44- Fix bug where member was being added with a space after name
00:15.06WhiteRabibuffalo huh? let me check on that
00:16.56CIA-4403toadkiller * r77650 10AutoBar/AutoBarButton.lua:
00:16.56CIA-44AutoBar:
00:16.56CIA-44-- fix stealth issue
00:19.16WhiteRabiwow buffalo hasnt been updated in forever :P
00:19.25Cryect2yes and don't use buffalo2
00:19.43WhiteRabioh ok
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00:19.49Cryect2Buffalo 2 is buggy
00:20.22Cryect2BUffalo 1 is okay though if all you want is buff icons with times under them with some slight change
00:20.23Cryect2s
00:21.12Diaoi liked the abbreviations on buffalo2
00:21.53Stanzillaand Buffalo3 doesn't even load without errors :P
00:22.34Zhinjio_Good evening.
00:22.47Diaoi'd like those abbreviations in sbf
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00:25.52WhiteRabii think I will grab sbf2
00:32.08Wraithan1What is the square map mod folks use?
00:33.10StanzillaMiniMapster for me
00:33.24ZyndromeChinchilla, oMinimap, Squeenix, BasicMinimap, and stuff
00:33.35Wraithan1c
00:33.51Wraithan1chinchilla, that is a ckknight mod right?
00:33.54hastey
00:34.21Zyndromepersonally I used a hacked up rMinimap which is a hacked up oMinimap iirc :p
00:34.30Ackiswtf
00:34.31AckisUnable to send chat to Äyla because your message contained reserved words.
00:34.40DARKGuySquareMinimap + kgPanels ftw.
00:34.41haste:D
00:34.55Ackisthe message: do you kow what he got in the goody bag? :P
00:34.58NeoTron_is there any good minimap button addon these days?
00:35.00hasteplain oMinimap ftw! (how odd)
00:35.00DARKGuys/SquareMinimap/SimpleMinimap/
00:35.06NeoTron_still using MBB
00:35.17hasteMBB is scary
00:35.18YssarilAckis: it must simply not like you
00:35.40Ackisanswers please :P
00:35.47NeoTron_it might be scary but it does work
00:35.55NeoTron_btu that's why I'm asking for a better alternative
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00:41.06Zyndromewww.shatteredminds.net/ui/ui-raid.jpg , maybe I should get my fingers out of my ass (it itches) and get this shit out the door
00:41.25CIA-4403trasher * r77651 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ARLLocals-frFR.lua:
00:41.25CIA-44AckisRecipeList:
00:41.25CIA-44- frFR update
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00:50.08Stanzillanice loot there :P
00:50.37Zyndromeour third offhand ... still no mainhand <_<
00:50.48Zyndromeit almost went to an alt!
00:50.54Stanzilla:<
00:51.02Stanzillawe had 3 offhands and 1 mainhand
00:51.14WhiteRabialright, just need a smalllllll addon...
00:51.33WhiteRabiI think theres one called cryolosis
00:51.34Zyndromebathes in a pool of Skull of Gul'dan trinkets
00:51.37Zyndromerandom loot is random btw
00:51.45WhiteRabilol
00:51.51NeoTron_you. suck.
00:51.52Stanzillawe had 3 in a row of them :P
00:51.52NeoTron_realyl
00:51.56WhiteRabibut I dont want the mana and crap
00:52.08NeoTron_even with 3 in a row we'd have half a guild of casters to equip with them
00:52.09Wraithan1Zyndrome: what is that thing in the lower right?
00:52.13ZyndromePallyPower
00:52.54StanzillaZyuu: how did you make the black fade stuff and the bars on top? kg/eePanels or something different?
00:52.57Stanzilladamn
00:53.03StanzillaI hate Tab complete
00:53.06ZyndromekgPanels ftw
00:53.12Chomperszomg > pp
00:53.16Kuosiwhat time us has maintenances
00:53.18Chompersin so many ways
00:53.59Gnarfozzomg's level of crap I don't need because I'm just a paladin > pp's level of crap I don't need
00:54.01Zyndromeand I've gotten many PMs about the black fade.. it's just a simple 512x512 TGA-image stretching over the entire screen :<
00:54.19Chomperspressing generate is too much crap?
00:54.25Wraithan1Stanzilla: get smart tab complete, there are half a dozen folks who start with each letter, but if I just hit the first letter and tab it completes to the last person who spoke that matches first
00:54.41Stanzillayeah yeah I was too fast :P
00:55.21Wraithan1Stanzilla: no your tab complete sucks, get a better irc client :D
00:55.43Wraithan1never heard of KVIrc
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00:56.59Wraithan1weechat ftw, too bad no windows clients =(
00:57.27Wraithan1I will putty to my linux box and use weechat before I would use a windows client probably
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01:00.06Arrowmasterweechat looks like any other nix cmdline irc client
01:01.13Wraithan1extendable in pretty much any scripting language
01:01.37Wraithan1and while this doesn't matter as much, it actually has sane defaults, unlike most *nix clients
01:02.08Gnarfozthat's a *nix philosophy problem, really ;>
01:02.18Wraithan1Lol
01:06.26Gnarfozwhich Ace category would an addon providing FuBar support for ItemRack go into? Misc? Inventory? Interface Enhancement?
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01:12.01Arrowmasterace categorys are perty flawed anyway
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01:24.01KriLL3anyone knows of an addon that integrates with cartographer or stands along and gives flight times while riding a gryphon and estimates the travel time to a destination on the flight map, and perhaps even something on the regular map if possible?
01:24.06KriLL3*alone
01:24.54DARKGuyInFlight.
01:25.04DARKGuyI dunno if it integrates with cartographer, but it works for said purpose
01:25.19KriLL3do I need _load also?
01:25.23DARKGuyyup
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01:25.32KriLL3ty
01:25.43DARKGuynp, hope it works for ya ^^
01:26.03KriLL3I think one of my addons did something like it but somewhere down the road it was either removed or changed
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01:29.57Arrowmasterfucking hate useless error messages......... http://ace.pastey.net/90295
01:30.50DARKGuyArrowmaster: you haven't used the GNU C++ compiler (or even worse, M$'s) then :p
01:31.08Gnarfozyeah, good luck trying to figure out who's the culprit
01:31.59Arrowmasterespecially when i cant think of anything that actually uses LFBP-3.0 thats being loaded with AddonLoader
01:32.34DARKGuyArrowmaster: well I've never used FBPlugin before, but from what I can deduct.... something is using Tablet-2.0 and passing a wrong argument to it, specifically related to checking if an addon is registered with it.
01:32.38Arrowmasterunless its incubator
01:32.50Stanzillaare you finishing your fork, Arrowmaster?
01:33.01Arrowmasterwell this is from logging in while in a raid
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01:33.59Arrowmasterso this could be incubator
01:34.25DARKGuyIncubator uses Tablet-2.0 or has a dependency which does? :p
01:34.36Arrowmasterit does
01:34.39DARKGuythen it is :p
01:34.48Arrowmasterbut i dont know if it uses LFBP-3.0
01:34.55Arrowmasteri thought it used 2.0
01:35.18Arrowmasteryeah it does use 2.0
01:35.31Arrowmasteroh wait that is a 2.0 error
01:35.40DARKGuylol
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01:36.12Arrowmasteror it could be ora2
01:38.03DARKGuyditto
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01:41.41GnarfozI've had similar errors when had Incubator enabled.
01:41.55GnarfozI'm quite certain it's the culprit, though I never found out what the problem was
01:42.45Zhinjio_is there an addon out there that checks the raid for raid buffs/well fed food/flasks/elixirs, etc?
01:43.10JoshBorkescrub?
01:43.16{RN}Terrabigbrother
01:43.29GnarfozBigBrother
01:43.34GnarfozScrub is for talents?
01:43.35ZhinjioI thought scrub was for checking specs
01:43.47Zhinjiowill check out BigBrother
01:43.49Zhinjiothanks
01:43.55{RN}Terranp
01:44.44Gnarfozso let me guess... I R DOIN IT WRON? this gives me 'unexpected symbol near ":"'    r" .. "$Revision: 12345$":match("(%d+)")
01:45.01JoshBorkeyou are doing it wrong
01:45.30Gnarfoz:(
01:45.46Gnarfozwhy can't the concat operator take function call results directly in that form :\
01:46.24Arrowmasterbecause you have to put the string in ()
01:47.59Gnarfozoh, right
01:48.03Gnarfozdurrr
01:48.09Gnarfozalmost 4am here ;)
01:48.11JoshBorke(09:45:01 PM) JoshBorke: you are doing it wrong
01:48.52Gnarfoznot anymore nuuh-huh
01:54.10[Liquidor]steev, author of wishlist? if yes could be a coolio and update it for s4?
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02:03.49AckisI just beat wow
02:03.50AckisKJ dead
02:04.13GngskYou're the best around!
02:04.24Ellipsisgrats Ackis
02:04.28Ackisi'm shaking
02:04.29Ackiswow
02:04.36Ellipsisthough technically, you just beat TBC ;P
02:05.08sacarascgrats, Ackis
02:05.26sacarascstabs Ackis for being able to raid when sacarasc's guild is floundering
02:05.48CIA-4403scorpio0920 * r77652 10RBM_Hyjal/ (6 files):
02:05.48CIA-44RBM_Hyjal:
02:05.48CIA-44- Added zhTW localization. (Thanks s8095324)
02:12.10StanzillaAckis: grats! loot?
02:12.17Ackishealing staff
02:12.21Ackiscaster dps cloak
02:12.41Ackiscowl of gul'dan which turns into the shroud of chieftain ner'zhul
02:13.26Ackiscrown of anasterian which turns into some tanking helm
02:13.28Stanzillagz, wtb that cloak :P
02:14.39Ackisand I have the staff now
02:18.13Ackis18th in the US now
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02:20.51NechcknCongratulations on the kill Ackis
02:21.21Nechckndid he scream like a little girl at the end?  you know, just to make it all that much worth while?
02:21.31CIA-4403scorpio0920 * r77653 10RBM_ZulAman/ (7 files):
02:21.31CIA-44RBM_ZulAman:
02:21.31CIA-44- Added zhTW localization. (Thanks s8095324)
02:22.05Stanzillahugs Ackis
02:28.26WhiteRabiback!
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02:39.05AeyanAckis: Nightmare Mode Unlocked!
02:43.53CIA-4403scorpio0920 * r77654 10RBM_Sunwell/ (6 files):
02:43.53CIA-44RBM_Sunwell:
02:43.53CIA-44- Added zhTW localization. (Thanks s8095324)
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02:49.07CIA-4403scorpio0920 * r77655 10RBM_TrapWatch/ (RBM_TrapWatch.toc TrapWatch.lua):
02:49.07CIA-44RBM_TrapWatch:
02:49.07CIA-44- Added zhTW localization. (Thanks s8095324)
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03:06.41CIA-4403gnarfoz * r77656 10FuBar_ItemRackFu/: Creating dir for ItemRack FuBar support addon, compatible with ItemRack 2.2+
03:11.55ArrowmasterGnarfoz: i thought there was already an ItemRackFu
03:12.12Gnarfozread further than the first 4 words
03:12.14Gnarfoz;P
03:12.21Arrowmasteri know
03:12.24Arrowmasterbut i ment on the svn
03:12.25Gnarfozthe one on SVN is for pre-rewrite itemrack
03:12.35Arrowmasterpff delete it then
03:12.39GnarfozI will
03:12.50Gnarfozafter actually uploading and completing this one ;)
03:12.51Ackiswhat's the enchant ID for 11 heal/5 spirit?
03:13.21Ackishttp://www.wowwiki.com/EnchantId doesn't have it
03:13.43Arrowmasterwowequip should know
03:14.29Ackisahh forgot about that
03:14.29Ackisty
03:17.53DARKGuyah, the joys of linux -> http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7334/screenshot4gc1.jpg
03:19.08Ackisbleh I hate constructing my own item links
03:19.11Ackisthis fails: /124cffa335ee/124Hitem:34337:2343:3283:3318:3318:0:0:1615543340/124h[Golden Staff of the Sin'dorei]/124h/124r
03:20.14Ackisand I fail
03:20.15Ackiswow
03:21.55ajmitchDARKGuy: colourful
03:22.14DARKGuyyeah, very matrix-ish
03:22.20DARKGuynot my screenie though, a friend passed it to me
03:22.22DARKGuybut fun :3
03:22.45ajmitchusually uses wine without too many problems
03:23.48Ackishaha 2531 healing unbuffed
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03:35.05KriLL386 here :)
03:35.38KriLL32914 ap, 42.74 crit though
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03:43.12KriLL3is there a way to make the cartographer notes on vendors etc into a unique icon per vendor type? having em all be a small coin isn't very informative
03:46.29Arrowmastertry handynotes, not sure but it might have unique icons
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04:03.23Groktaromg, we sort of made it to p2 on muru
04:04.14Groktarbut the sentinel tank dcd
04:04.19Groktaralong with a doorway healer
04:05.08Hydrogenpfft
04:05.47Groktarat about 5%
04:05.51Hydrogenwhen I was still raiding we did muru with 4 people, the other three of them 8boxed
04:06.03Groktarwe lasted just long enough to see him start the p2 animation
04:06.21Groktarthis fight is brutal
04:06.40Groktarit feels like we've got it down
04:06.45Groktarbut shit happens and we wipe
04:07.23Hydrogenyea, that does kinda ruin anal sex
04:09.25HydrogenJUS SAYIN
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04:17.23CIA-4403gnarfoz * r77657 10FuBar_ItemRackFu/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
04:17.23CIA-44FuBar_ItemRackFu: Initial commit
04:17.23CIA-44- preliminary version, works with the rewritten ItemRack 2.x (which has with the (re-)introduction of events in version 2.2 finally replaced the 1.9x version)
04:17.23CIA-44- should have the same feature set as ItemRack's integrated minimap button
04:20.38CIA-4403gnarfoz * r77658 10FuBar_ItemRackFu/libs/: FuBar_ItemRackFu: Fix LFBP-2.0 external path
04:21.37vithoshmm.. IHML isn't saving my macro changes for some reason :/
04:31.35Ackisis so happy
04:31.39Ackis3 day raiding weeks inc
04:31.41Ackisthen 2 days
04:31.44Ackisthen 1 day
04:32.13vithoswtb
04:34.22CIA-4403gnarfoz * r77659 10FuBar_ItemRackFu/ItemRackFu.lua: FuBar_ItemRackFu: fix revision string
04:34.55GnarfozAckis: you fail, you misspelled Kil'jaeden on your hp xD
04:35.59Ackishp?
04:36.11Gnarfozhome page?
04:36.14Ackiso
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04:36.42Ackiswhere? O_o
04:38.20Gnarfozacquisitons
04:40.55Ackismeh
04:40.56Ackislol
04:40.58Ackisafk
04:50.46CIA-4403morgalm * r77660 10MorgDKP/ (5 files):
04:50.46CIA-44MorgDKP:
04:50.46CIA-44-Add relational DKP to morgbid query and morgbid tablet
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05:02.53DARKGuyHAHA
05:02.57DARKGuythis is worth seeing guys XD
05:02.57DARKGuyhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=d1hF2E1-Inw
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05:04.41sedai|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyDpoA2T6UI
05:05.14DARKGuy>_>;
05:08.50CIA-4403LordFarlander * r77661 10LibLordFarlander-2.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
05:08.50CIA-44LibLordFarlander-2.0:
05:08.50CIA-44- New function to get the texture of an itemlist item
05:08.50CIA-44- Fixed setting a button to an invitem
05:08.50CIA-44- Fading turned on
05:08.50CIA-44- Button options are now returned by a function here to keep them consistent
05:13.11Wraithan1I assume since the macro stuffs were changed, there aren't any jumbo macro addons
05:13.45CIA-4403LordFarlander * r77662 10Stable/ (Stable.lua Stable.toc locals/localisation.lua):
05:13.45CIA-44Stable:
05:13.45CIA-44- Removed a lot of unnecessary library mentions from the toc
05:13.45CIA-44- Improved how the never swap list is built and displayed to the user, including icons
05:13.45CIA-44- Added some missing descriptions
05:14.56CIA-4403LordFarlander * r77663 10Baldrick/ (Baldrick.lua locals/localisation.lua):
05:14.56CIA-44Baldrick:
05:14.56CIA-44- Changed the button options to be gotten from LibLordFarlander-UI
05:14.56CIA-44- Added localization strings for the new button fading options
05:16.09CIA-4403LordFarlander * r77664 10Coconuts/ (Coconuts.lua Coconuts.toc locals/localisation.lua):
05:16.09CIA-44Coconuts:
05:16.09CIA-44- Changed the button options to be gotten from LibLordFarlander-UI
05:16.09CIA-44- Added localization strings for the new button fading options
05:16.09CIA-44- Icons are added when listing the mounts
05:16.11CIA-44- The favorites lists now show icons and spells work right going
05:16.44CIA-4403LordFarlander * r77665 10MiniPet/ (MiniPet.lua MiniPet.toc locals/localisation.lua):
05:16.44CIA-44MiniPet:
05:16.44CIA-44- Changed the button options to be gotten from LibLordFarlander-UI
05:16.44CIA-44- Added localization strings for the new button fading options
05:16.44CIA-44- Icons are added when listing the minipets
05:16.44CIA-44- The favorites lists now show icons
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06:06.24CIA-44- Update zhTW & zhCN localization.
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06:30.13Cheadsuhm, anyone know of an addon like ManufacSnoop showing all possible profession recipes sorted up into various categories?
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06:55.17purlkemayo is currently on #wowuidev (2d 9h 23m 22s) #wowace (2d 9h 23m 22s) #curseforge (2d 9h 23m 22s), last said: 'ckknight: I don't care.'.
06:58.56Snagovithos: Are you clicking "Apply" after making the changes?
06:59.11vithosAccept i think?
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07:00.05vithosyeah
07:00.45vithoseventually the changes stuck, after some combination of forcing it to swap to another macro and back, then reediting
07:01.03vithosbut i was hitting accept every time and it wasn't working
07:02.31vithosi was editing a macro i had added myself for muru, maybe something to do with the macro text itself?
07:02.50vithosi was changing a /stopmacro [noexists,nodead] to /stopmacro [noexists] [dead]
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07:05.13vithoshttp://i27.tinypic.com/15x3kv7.jpg
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07:06.07vithosfirst line is /cleartarget, last line is /petattack. don't know if IHML even parses the macrotext at all
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07:06.46SnagoNo, it never looks at what the macrotext is..
07:07.36vithosmaybe it has something to do with some weird macros in the list i noticed, where the macrotext was "3" or something?
07:08.53SnagoThose are "linked" macros.. All macros with a 3 as macrotext will swap to the macro named 3 instead, and if you change 3 you'll change them all
07:09.32vithosah
07:10.40SnagoI'll play around with it a bit and see if I can get it to misbehave.. But if you have a reliable way to reproduce the bug that woud be appriciated :)
07:10.55vithosi'm logging in to see if i can get it to happen again
07:12.40SnagoWhat version are you using btw?
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07:21.27vithosok, i edited the currently loaded macro (via /ihml) and hit accept
07:21.46vithosso now accept and swap are disabled, but it's still the old text in /m
07:22.22vithosor if i go to the options page and back to macros, it's back to the old text
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07:23.43Snagohmm.. If you swap to another macro before you edit, is it still buggy?
07:25.11vithoshmm.. i selected Terokk's Rest and hit swap, but it didn't swap
07:25.21vithosthe swap button stays clickable
07:25.29vithosthat's one of those linked macros
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07:26.23vithosok, swapped to terestian illhoof fine. i'll try editing my terrace of the sun now
07:26.53vithosthat didn't work either, now it won't swap to terrace of the sun
07:27.16vithosand paging away and back to Macros reset my changes too
07:28.04vithosare you able to reproduce this behavior? maybe my SV's would help?
07:28.20Snagooh.. this could be related to another bug I had and fixed
07:28.26SnagoI'm not in game atm
07:28.55SnagoIf you want you can try the latest CurseForge version..
07:29.24Snagohttp://wow.curseforge.com/projects/ihml/files/21-r13-noext/
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07:43.07CIA-4403starlon * r77667 10CombatAlarm/CombatAlarm.lua: CombatAlarm: Strip icon escapes
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07:52.20Ackis2535 heal, 684/285 MP5 unbuffed :D
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07:56.05CIA-4403phyber * r77668 10FuBar_TopScoreFu/TopScoreFu.lua:
07:56.05CIA-44FuBar_TopScoreFu:
07:56.05CIA-44- Remove a bunch of commented out code and get rid of the 'local ipairs' which is no longer required.
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08:03.58Cheadsuhm is there an addon that show all crafting recipes sorted into categories (i.e. waist under Blacksmithing etc.) ?
08:05.16cnc|workhello peeps
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08:05.40ncd|Aileenall available or all you know? @ Cheads
08:05.46MegalonCheads: tried AckisRecipeList? it lists missing recipes etc.
08:06.46Cheadsall available, as in.. also list professions I dont have on the character
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08:07.37ncd|Aileenyes, AckisRecipeList
08:10.00durcynphyber: but upvalues are the new fad
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08:13.34SnagoSeeing people "optimize" by using upvalues instead of locals makes me /facepalm
08:13.59Cheadsncd|Aileen how can AckisRecipeList show recipes for a profession you dont have?
08:14.26CheadsI can only get it to show you the missing recipes for a profession you have
08:14.47phyberI have no idea what an upValue is, so I'd only use it by accident.
08:14.47ncd|Aileenhum, I don't use it :/
08:15.00phyberperhaps it's that 'do' block that I don't understand?
08:15.06Cheadsas far as I can see it's only for professions you have
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08:17.03Snagolocal x; function foo() doStuffWithX(x) end <-- x is an upvalue
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08:17.25Snagofunction foo() local x = 5; doStuffWithX(x) end <-- x is a local
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08:27.00digmouseare Vindicator and Veteran gears still available?
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08:30.58CrazyBennyvindicator is I think
08:31.15phyberSnago: ok, so then what is 'local pairs = pairs', etc at the top of a file considered? upvalue,downvalue,strangevalue,charmvalue? or just local. :o
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08:31.51nevcairielcharming upvalue!
08:31.59phyber\o/
08:32.20cladhaireactually no
08:32.21SnagoIt's a local at the highest scope in the file, but in functions in that file it's an upvalue
08:32.28cladhaireits only an upvalue when its used in a tighter scope
08:32.36cladhairei.e. when its bound as an upvalue to a closure
08:32.39cladhaireotherwise its just a local variable.
08:33.21cladhaire(i know clad had to come and spoil the fun)
08:33.36Snagoyeah, that's a more correct way of putting it :P
08:35.21elite3vildigmouse: s1 glads gear is still available from t4 tokens.. and veteran gear is available from badges
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08:56.10CIA-44NBuffBars:
08:56.10CIA-44- Get spell and item IDs up in this bitch
08:56.10CIA-44- Remove LibBabble-Spell
08:56.10CIA-44- Update LibSharedMedia-2.0 to 3.0, with callbacks as appropriate
08:56.10CIA-44- Remove CTRA/oRA2 buff message processing, as these are not passed by oRA2 any more and nobody uses CTRA
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08:58.09CIA-44ClassTimer:
08:58.09CIA-44- Fixed zhCN localization string error.
08:58.11DoudouI search someone able to make a modification on the SVN about the Addon Cartographer_NoteShare, this modification make able to share ExtractGaz :)
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09:15.24cladhairenevcairiel: any idea awhere the ace3config page is on the ace wiki now?
09:15.26cladhairei can't seem to find it
09:15.28cladhairewhich is ><
09:15.34nevcairielwut
09:15.52nevcairielhttp://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceConfig3 ?
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09:16.24cladhaireyeah i used the ace search like 10 times
09:16.24nevcairieladds redirect from Ace3Config
09:16.27cladhaireand still couldn't find it.
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09:17.08cladhairenevcairiel: how do you set the text on the button, is it name or desc?
09:17.11cladhairefor an execute type
09:17.14nevcairielname
09:17.17nevcairieldesc is the tooltip
09:17.29Matrix110cladhaire going Ace3?
09:17.35cladhaireno
09:17.40Matrix110:-(
09:17.41cladhairetomtom has used ace3config for a while now.
09:17.46Matrix110ah
09:17.54cladhaireand ace3db
09:18.07Matrix110I never looked at the tomtom config i think :D
09:18.09cladhairecause i wasn't using any other dongle features really and wanted the config
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09:23.19nevcairielclass time, bbl
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09:27.48CIA-44InstanceMaps:
09:27.48CIA-44- Add loot data for bosses of Sunwell Plateau;
09:27.48CIA-44- note: kij'jaedan, M'uru, Kalecgos, Sathrovarr the Corruptor and Grand Warlock Alythess can't work.
09:30.25Pkekyo|gh~time
09:30.26purlhmm... time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2008.07.01  9:30:26 GMT
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09:31.25CIA-44AtlasLoot:
09:31.25CIA-44- removed Arena Season 1 Weapons
09:31.25CIA-44- small fixes
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09:31.59CIA-44- removed Arena Season 1 weapons
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09:33.01CIA-44Wishlist:
09:33.01CIA-44-Locales built and ready for other translators
09:33.01CIA-44-Update data to Season 4
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09:35.39cladhairenevcairiel: where did you dump the new babelfish?
09:35.40cladhaireor havey ou
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09:38.22steev[Liquidor]: sorry, im not the author of any addons
09:38.25steevat least, none public
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09:40.52CIA-44Skillet/lilsparky:
09:40.52CIA-44-fixed (again) the randomish stops in skill repeats
09:40.52CIA-44-implemented group modification (cut/paste might not quite work yet)
09:40.52CIA-44-added filtering by inventory features
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09:41.15CIA-44GridStatusIncomingHealth:
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09:58.19digmousehow to make a dewdrop menu remain open on click?
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10:33.31Elkanoas a feral, would you rather do +12 strength or +12 stamina on bracers?
10:34.03Vulcanusrawrbomb or mewmew?
10:34.35Elkanodoing both
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10:35.36Vulcanusmm Id say stam then, extra health is always neat. Keep in mind my druid is only lv29, so I may very well be talking out of my colon here :p
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10:43.00SnagoI'm writing a UnitFrame addon and I want a name less lame than SnagoUF or sUF. Anyone have any suggestions?
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10:49.17LukianElkano, I use 12str
10:50.07LukianIf you aren't tanking anything excessively important (read: end of raid bosses), threat/dps > defensive stats :p
10:51.21phyberSnago: SnUFf
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10:51.37Mytosmornin folks
10:51.45cnc|workhello
10:51.50phybermay not meet the requirement of "less".
10:52.21Mytossince when is "less" a requirement
10:52.27Mytos?
10:55.11phyberMytos: when someone asks for something "less lame" than something else, less seems to be a requirement :)
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10:56.49Mytoswell, I stand corrected lol
10:57.42Mytosnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
10:57.51MytosI just realised its tuesday :(
10:58.31LukianMytos, I plan my sleeping patterns according to tuesdays :D
10:58.42cnc|workhuh, why ? :o
10:59.01Lukianwhat else am I meant to do in downtime? :p
10:59.50LukianIt's only been an hour and I've already watched doctor who, cleaned up the house/dishes and packed my washing away :.
10:59.51Mytosthat doesnt explain why your not sleeping now Lukian lol
11:00.07LukianMytos, I will be when I run out of householdly things to do
11:00.15Lukian:D
11:00.44cnc|workmeh
11:00.50cnc|workmaintenance is on wednesdays
11:00.52cnc|worknabs /
11:00.54Mytosalright, realms are down, what kind of music does everybody like ( gonna try to kill time lol)
11:01.05cnc|workeverything with good gitar play in tbh
11:01.25Mytoshave you heard the new disturbed album yet?
11:01.58cnc|worknop
11:02.02Mytossome really nice riffs in there
11:02.06Lukiancnc|work, it's 9pm tuesday
11:02.10Lukianwhat are you talking about? :p
11:02.22cnc|workno Lukian, its 13pm tuesday atm
11:02.34cnc|works/13/1/
11:02.39Mytoslol, its 7am tuesday
11:03.46cnc|worklies
11:03.54Mytosi know what im gonna do to kill some time, time to watch kungfu panda
11:04.06cnc|workMytos: feel like doing my work ?
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11:04.14Mytoswhat do you do?
11:04.49cnc|workcallcenter
11:04.54cnc|workanswer to phonecalls :^p
11:05.36Mytosno thanks
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11:17.47Mytosthis is hilarious
11:18.16cnc|workwhat is ? :o
11:19.08Mytoskungfu panda
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13:00.09CIA-4403ckruse * r77681 10FuBar_TankInfosFu/TankInfosFu.lua:
13:00.09CIA-44FuBar_TankInfosFu:
13:00.09CIA-44- Fixed bug in calculating the unmodified block value
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13:23.50thulhttp://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0ecoxZhZAMss0hRshst <- I think I'll spec like that and have fun in pvp
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13:28.58Vulcanuslua> local a = tonumber("-5"); print(a);
13:28.58lua_botVulcanus: -5
13:29.03Vulcanuslua> local a = tonumber("-5"); print(-a);
13:29.03lua_botVulcanus: 5
13:29.06Vulcanusawsum
13:29.53Vulcanuslua> print(tonumber("set"))
13:29.53lua_botVulcanus: nil
13:31.03RaydenUnimy guild seems to think you need a prot paladin to kill nightbane...
13:31.05RaydenUnithoughts?
13:31.16Vulcanusnot NEEDED, but helpful for the adds
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13:31.35Vulcanusif everybody just clumps up in one big pile, a Thunder Clap can do the trick
13:31.44Vulcanuslua> print(-(tonumber("-5")));
13:31.45lua_botVulcanus: 5
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13:33.21RaydenUniwe're racing two groups through kara tonight
13:33.25Vulcanusjust remember that whoever gets the rain of bones might end up mildly dead if you don't have instant threat on the skellies
13:33.27RaydenUniboth groups had 1 paladin and 1 warlock
13:33.37RaydenUnibut then one team's paladin dropped out and so they were considering taking nightbane off the list
13:33.45Vulcanuslulz
13:33.48Vulcanuspussies imo
13:33.49VulcanusXD
13:34.12RaydenUninot having two warlocks would have been rough though
13:34.26RaydenUnito summon alts
13:34.35Vulcanusits a filthy lie that you need a warlock to do Illhoof
13:34.48RaydenUniyeah
13:34.56RaydenUnii think i did it with them once before
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13:35.12RaydenUnialthough it seems like without a paladin we don't attempt illhoof and without a warlock we don't really do illhoof
13:35.16Vulcanusif you have two mages you can have one spamming flamestrike and another spamming AE, they both should be in the group with the resto shammy and the spriest XD
13:35.29RaydenUnioh, so we were missing paladins, rogues, and shamans on sunday
13:35.35RaydenUniguess which t4 helm dropped off prince :D
13:35.40VulcanusXD
13:35.54RaydenUniso my druid is now the proud owner of a t4 token that he can't use
13:35.58VulcanusI wanetd it on mine (alt) but now I have S2 helm ;p
13:36.07cnc|workRaydenUni: why can't he use it ? :o
13:36.11RaydenUnihe's a druid
13:36.20RaydenUniit's a paladin, rogue, shaman token
13:36.32RaydenUnit4 is better than s2 for me
13:36.49RaydenUnieh
13:36.55RaydenUniwell i guess alone s2 is better
13:37.06Vulcanusnot for ret pallies, the 2piece (and arguably 4piece) bonus sucks so much balls its not worth dropping the stats
13:37.13pschrinerwe've quite successfully done illhoof with 2 hunters as imp killers, although with some help by a paladin tank
13:37.35RaydenUniman. the druid 2 pc is AMAZING
13:37.45RaydenUnii'm swimming in energy now
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13:37.52VulcanusXD
13:37.57Vulcanus(2) Set: Increases the damage bonus of your Judgement of the Crusader by 15%.
13:37.58Vulcanusfale
13:38.04Vulcanus(4) Set: Increases the damage dealt by your Judgement of Command by 10%.
13:38.15Vulcanusdamn good but an alt wont ever get it in my guild
13:38.16VulcanusXD
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13:39.20RaydenUnii found the Badge of Tenacity on the AH for 1000g
13:39.29RaydenUnii wavered and someone else bought it :(
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13:41.22Jyggalol @ blizz attempting to patch wc3 ...
13:41.30RaydenUni?
13:41.32RaydenUniwhy is that funny?
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13:44.02Jyggaits chaos, they delayed it one day, features are missing or falsely propagated and to top it off they forgot to strip the beta build number from the ingame version :)
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13:45.08RaydenUninooo, patch day
13:45.13RaydenUnireally?
13:45.14RaydenUniwow
13:45.25Jyggapretty neat that they keep supporting it but apparently there is only one poor coder at it ^^
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13:48.25RaydenUnithey just patched starcraft didn't they?
13:48.29RaydenUnigeeze, that job would suck
13:49.38ktwoany one here familiar with parrot settings? im looking for a way to shorten melee skill names like the "shorten spell name" function (for example just showing "hemo") for some reason that settings works only with spells
13:50.03cnc|workmelee skills are spells
13:50.05cnc|worktechnicly
13:50.08cnc|workno reason it won't work with it
13:50.13Fisker-Jygga think you should be happy they even have a coder working at it :)
13:50.21ktwohm.. well it showes KS instead of kidney shot
13:50.23Fisker-it was the same with Diablo 1.11 though :(
13:50.26Fisker-or was that 1.10?
13:50.27ktwobut. hemorrhage is written out
13:50.38ktwodiablo is 1.12 now i think?
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13:50.54Fisker-- Added an option to always show unit and building health bars. <-AWESOME
13:51.00Fisker-ktwo just disables the cd-checks
13:51.06Fisker-no new features really
13:51.18Fisker-- Added a new in-game cheat "maxfps" to limit the maximum frame rate to
13:51.18Fisker-<PROTECTED>
13:51.18Fisker-<PROTECTED>
13:51.19RaydenUnihow many years after starcraft came out did they add replays?
13:51.22Fisker-how is that a cheat? :I
13:51.36RaydenUni"cheat" is an odd word
13:51.53charonktwo: iirc it only shortens if there are several words
13:52.26Fisker-one thing i really wished they do was windowed mode for SC
13:52.34Fisker-and/or being able to do new resolutions
13:52.39RaydenUnisince it's such a low res lol
13:52.47RaydenUniyou won't get higher ones
13:52.51RaydenUnithey'd have to redo the art
13:52.57Fisker-yeah
13:53.00Fisker-but atleast windowed mode
13:53.01Fisker-plx
13:53.43Jyggayou can use windowed mode but only in 8-bit mode :P
13:53.51Fisker-wut?
13:54.06TinyboomRaydenUni: I got the badge of tenacity on my alt druid for around 200g@Silvermoon_eu ;) didn't know that still ranged that high...
13:54.38Jyggaat least the menu does work (in brownish green mixtures), never actually got to play it that way
13:55.20Elkanoit is? mine has Recomendation and pocket watch
13:56.55RaydenUniTinyboom on emmerald's list it's #2 for tanking
13:57.38RaydenUniwork time
13:57.41Tinyboomi know, just didn't think price was that high still on some servers.
13:59.48Elkanowouldn't be a good item for me... I tend to forget about on use stuff ^^'
14:03.20StanzillaJygga: new patch? where?
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14:08.47NeyaUsed badge of tenacity untill they added Kael'thas commendation, was worth the 2k it cost on the ah (had grinded 5k from the trash up on the plateus by that time). And it is quite good even without the on use =)
14:09.49Neyagive or take a few hundred on the amount I had grinded.
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14:13.35Mytosmine sits in the bank
14:13.56Mytoswearing the kael and the lunacy deck
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14:14.58NeyaKael + trinket from bloodboil for me, most of the time anyway.
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14:16.13DARKGuyo/
14:16.55DARKGuyhmm... between a normal XFX 8600GT 256Mb and another one, but XXX Zalman heatsink... considering the Zalman one has greater clock & shader speeds (both 256Mb)... should I get it? I need to make a choice between the two :p
14:17.00Mytosi havent raided in a few months, its hard to find a guild on my realm, most endgame guilds wont recruit anyone but friends of memebers, and since its tich all the other guilds spend half their time concentrating on arena
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14:17.46WraithanDARKGuy: price diff?
14:17.59Wraithannot that hard to OC it your self and add the heatsink
14:18.01DARKGuy4 bucks :p
14:18.06Wraithanoh
14:18.08Wraithanno brainer.
14:18.21DARKGuyZallman then? :o
14:18.23Wraithanyeah
14:18.27Mytosyeah zalman
14:18.33DARKGuyis it OC? :o
14:18.50Wraithanthat is the only way it is faster than the same model from someone else
14:19.00Mytoswish nvidia would have been a little faster on the hdmi uptake or id have gotten a nvidia instead of the ati ive got
14:19.00Wraithanthose cards OC nicely though
14:19.43DARKGuyHmm... well that's great, thanks for your oppinion ^_^
14:19.47Wraithanyuck, ATI, if they weren't so buggy as hell in linux
14:20.43cnc|workthey fucked up their latest drivers
14:20.53cnc|workscreen scramble as you start using any 3D
14:20.53Wraithanthey fucked up all their drivers.
14:21.07Mytosati used to blow nvidia out of the water, i was hoping with the release of the HD models it would go the same, and all i needed was a replacement to last six months until i built new
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14:21.09WraithanVESA runs better than their shit.
14:21.36cnc|worknah it doesn't
14:21.38cnc|workunfortunatly
14:21.41noctsif not AUTO_QUEUE then return end  <-- means if AUTO_QUEUE is anything other than false or nil, then return and end, correct?
14:21.43WraithanYeah back in the day ATI was awesome.. I hear their new chips are going to be nice
14:21.56DARKGuyMan, the times of ATI Rage Pro were awesome
14:22.03Wraithanhehe, I had one
14:22.04cnc|worknocts: correct, for now
14:22.13noctsSidenote: Since ATI was recently bought out by AMD, a lot of good changes are head.
14:22.18noctscnc|work: What do you mean.. for now?
14:22.34Mytosthe 2600xt isnt bad, but for gaming it doesnt hold water compared to nvidia, like i said, im rebuilding shortly and this is just gonna end up a mediacenter anyways,
14:22.37cnc|workwell, currently 0 is seen as true
14:22.43cnc|workso it'll also return if AUTO_QUEUE is zero
14:22.49cnc|workwhich is confusing for a lot of ppl
14:22.53noctsgotcha
14:22.54Wraithan0 is true?
14:22.55Wraithanwtf?
14:23.02noctsJust using it as a boolean right now
14:23.14cnc|workanything except nil and false evaluate as true
14:23.17cnc|workincluding 0
14:23.33Wraithanthat is so counter intutive.
14:23.42cnc|workif(0) do blabla() end;
14:23.51cnc|workwill execute blabla()
14:24.06cnc|workjust don't use anything but booleans to check against tbh
14:24.19noctsif IsShiftKeyDown() or AUTO_QUEUE then return end  <-- so long as the first condition is met, setting AUTO_QUEUE to == true should return end, and if I set it to false it should skip return end and continue on, correct?
14:24.25WraithanI can see I am going to have issues with this language when I get to coding that stuff we talked about
14:24.52Fisker-http://eu.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=221003132 <-do want back ;_;
14:25.03Mytosthats why i never learned lua and just bargain with guys like zeksie to write what I need lol
14:25.44cnc|workwraithan: thats what help is for :p
14:26.11cnc|worknocts: that'll return if AUTO_QUEUE evaluates to true or if the shift key is held down
14:26.26Gagoriannocts: no
14:26.27Mytosi used to have a mod a while back that put the stat gains for waht form i was in on my druid into my tooltips for items, anyone got a name, im drawing a blank
14:26.31cnc|worklua is nice and easy tbh
14:26.55noctscnc|work: Ooohhh, so I have it backwords
14:26.57WraithanIt looks easy, but quirks like that are going to trip me up all the time
14:27.08noctsSo far I'm seeing very few quirks.
14:27.19noctsI'm having a lot more "oh my god, why didn't C/C++/Asem do that first?!"
14:27.36cnc|worknocts: what you said was a xor
14:27.37cnc|workI think
14:27.40Wraithanbecause they aren't scripting languages.
14:27.43cnc|workxor doesn't exist in lua though
14:27.47Wraithanwtf?
14:28.13noctsif not variable == if variable is nil or false       if variable == if variable is anything other than nil or false, correct?
14:28.44cnc|workyes nocts
14:28.55noctsAnd xor is supported in lua
14:29.01cnc|workwraithan: i think at least
14:29.04cnc|workit is ?
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14:29.14cnc|workhow ?
14:29.19cnc|workI'm pretty sure its not a keyword
14:29.27Wraithanit is a processor instruction, it should be in there
14:29.38cnc|worklua> true xor false
14:29.38lua_botcnc|work: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'true'
14:29.39WraithanI can't think of any modern processor that would have it
14:29.49cnc|worklua> true and true
14:29.50lua_botcnc|work: true
14:29.52cnc|workthere, no xor
14:29.52noctslocal function xor(a,b)
14:29.52nocts<PROTECTED>
14:29.52nocts<PROTECTED>
14:29.52noctsend
14:30.11cnc|worklua> print xor
14:30.11lua_botcnc|work: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'xor'
14:31.22cnc|worklua> print(xor);
14:31.22lua_botcnc|work: nil
14:31.29cnc|workxor is not a defined function either
14:31.39noctsIt's in bitLib for Lua 5.0
14:32.22cladhairelua> pp(bit)
14:32.22lua_botcladhaire: { ["arshift"] = function: 0x630310, ["mod"] = function: 0x630370, ["rshift"] = function: 0x6302b0, ["bxor"] = function: 0x6301f0, ["bor"] = function: 0x630190, ["bnot"] = function: 0x6300d0, ["lshift"] = function: 0x630250, ["band"] = function: 0x630130 } (#1)
14:32.27cnc|workah, so there is a bitwise xor ?
14:32.42cnc|workwhy not a boolean one though ?
14:32.48krkawhy do you need one?
14:32.48noctsdunno?
14:32.49cladhairelua> bit.xor(1, 5)
14:32.49lua_botcladhaire: luabot:1: attempt to call field 'xor' (a nil value)
14:33.08cnc|worklua> bit.bxor(1, 5)
14:33.08lua_botcnc|work: 4
14:33.13krkalua> function boolxor(a, b) return not not a == not not b end
14:33.14lua_botkrka: No output
14:33.22krkalua> = boolxor(true, true)
14:33.22lua_botkrka: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'boolxor' (a nil value)
14:33.32cladhaireoro?
14:33.32cladhairebecause
14:33.44cladhairewhy do you need a boolean xor?
14:33.47cladhaireno persistence atm krka
14:33.47cladhairegonna move the weblua sandbox over this week
14:33.47cladhairethen it'll have it.
14:33.54krkai see
14:34.10krkalua> function boolxor(a, b) return not not a ~= not not b end print(boolxor(true, true))
14:34.10lua_botkrka: false
14:34.13krkalua> function boolxor(a, b) return not not a ~= not not b end print(boolxor(true, false))
14:34.14lua_botkrka: true
14:34.17krkalua> function boolxor(a, b) return not not a ~= not not b end print(boolxor(false, false))
14:34.18lua_botkrka: false
14:34.23nocts<3
14:34.31noctsEven a rookie can throw a dog a bone once in a while.
14:34.37krkaor did i invert it or something?
14:34.40krkai can't remember
14:34.52krkano, that should be correct
14:35.56noctsI know everyone here will hate me for this, but I'm starting my first official lua project for WoW while learning Lua from the ground up.
14:36.02noctsBut I'm not using framework. I'm refusing to.
14:36.07cladhairethat's cool
14:36.08cnc|worknocts: same here
14:36.11nocts<3 Ace3. But I'm old-school.
14:36.18cnc|workAce3 has a shitty license tbh
14:36.18cladhaireare you reading PiL and wowprogramming
14:36.22cladhairecause you really should
14:36.32cnc|work<3 wowprogramming
14:36.35cladhaireyou're doing yourself a disservice if you don't at least try to read up on it while you work on it.
14:36.46noctsI'm humping wowwiki, wowcompares, and pil
14:37.04noctsThrashing together code, breaking it, figuring out why, debugging in game, and all that fun stuff.
14:37.19cladhairewell, you're the person we wrote the book for, so don't be shy :P
14:37.19noctscold coding right now while the servers are down. And no small chunk of code either.
14:37.23nocts:P
14:37.39noctsAs long as I don't get stoned for not buying into the "frame work is god" mindset.
14:37.51cnc|worknocts: I'm coding a lot of stuff without testing at work :p
14:37.57noctsI need to say this aloud though:
14:38.06noctsAfter reading through wowcompares.com, holy fucking shit.
14:38.15noctsWhat in the name of jesus christ is blizzard doing?
14:38.20cladhairewriting code?
14:38.26cladhairebetter than you can, i'd wager
14:38.27thulwhat are the best uf these days? Aguf still?
14:38.27cnc|workwhats wrong with it ?
14:38.29noctsSometimes -entire- sections of code are duplicated, but parts erased.
14:38.35cladhairesuch as?
14:38.39cladhaireyou may think there's no good reason
14:38.43cladhairebut you're probably wrong.
14:38.51cnc|workblizz code seems quite good these days tbh
14:38.53noctsI've gone over it with Ellipsis
14:39.00noctsA lot of it is just lazy C&P
14:39.01cnc|workplease link :D
14:39.08cladhairewell judge all you want
14:39.09noctsGimme a sec to find the file we were reviewing today.
14:39.17cladhairethey're making a game with 10 million subscribers
14:39.20cladhaireso whatever they do is right :P
14:39.33cnc|worknot rly
14:39.36cnc|workthey're not gods tbh
14:39.40sbhow many healers are needed for eredar twins? :o
14:39.44cladhaireI never said they were gods.
14:39.45cnc|worksb: 24
14:39.47cladhaireI said that they're right
14:39.51SnagoYeah, some sections of the blizz code got pretty high wtfs/min
14:39.52noctsThey took an entire function, copied it, pasted it for a different function, and kept some of the old variables and simply removed the lines that modified the variables.. but never reused the variables. In fact, the function handled and called completely different variables.
14:39.53sbpossible with 3 shaman, 1 druid, 1 priest, 4 pally? :/
14:39.57cnc|work"whatever they do is right" makes you sound like you think they're god :s
14:40.06sicasb: we use 11 healers
14:40.21sbok, then 9 is going to be some problem
14:40.28cladhairenocts: where is this function?
14:40.29cladhaireyou know
14:40.32cladhairegive them some credit
14:40.43cladhairethey're simultaneously working on two different diverging branches of code
14:40.49noctsFinding it, it works hand in hand with UPDATE_BATTLEFIELD_STATUS
14:40.50cladhairewith just a few developers
14:40.52cladhaireand lots of hands in the code
14:40.57noctsWhich.. strangely enough... is called even out of a BG.
14:41.00cladhaireeither way, it works
14:41.29noctsThe event is fired whenever another player is within your vicinity, anywhere in the game. And not just once, but anywhere from 2-10 times depending upon their movement.
14:41.34cnc|workcladhaire: two diverging branches of code ?
14:41.43cladhaireyes, 2.X and 3.X
14:41.48Snagoonly two?
14:41.54cladhairei was giving a minimum
14:42.22noctshttp://wowcompares.com/0438478/FrameXML/BattlefieldFrame.lua
14:42.31WraithanWonder what source versioning system they use, probably SVN I would guess
14:42.33noctsThat and the minimap lua were the two files her and I reviewed
14:42.33cladhairenocts: your description of the event is not correct, by the way
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14:42.49noctsThat's not my description, that's what's happening.
14:42.52Obelixprimehey
14:42.53cladhaireno its not
14:42.59Obelixprimedo any of you use rbm?
14:43.01noctsYes it is.
14:43.04cladhaire.. or not.
14:43.06noctsI've been testing it for the past 48 hours.
14:43.10cladhairegreat
14:43.15cladhaireand you're giving a causal description
14:43.19cladhairethat's not actually how it works
14:43.24cladhairei know, because id ont have the same behavior.
14:43.36noctsI'm not describing the event, I'm describing when I'm seeing it fired outside of a battlefield.
14:43.53cladhaire15:41 nocts: The event is fired whenever another player is within your vicinity, anywhere in the game. And not just once, but anywhere from 2-10 times depending upon their movement.
14:43.56noctsUPDATE_BATTLEFIELD_STATUS fires on a repeating basis anytime you are within the vicinity of another player, regardless of instanceid or location.
14:44.05cladhaireno, that's not true
14:44.12noctsYes, it is. I'm watching the event log.
14:44.17cladhaireGREAT
14:44.19MytosI wouldnt say their code is "good" in any situation, its workable, I mean really, how "good" can it be when every time they try to "fix" something it breaks something else
14:44.20cladhaireand you're seeing specific behavior.
14:44.21cladhairejesus
14:44.28cladhaiream i taking crazy pills?
14:44.31noctsWhat the fuck do you mean "specific behavior"?
14:44.45cladhaireI am saying, you are observing somethign happening
14:44.52cladhaireyet you describe it as if that is how the event works universally
14:44.59noctsI'm not defining the event in an all encompassing manner, I'm just saying "this is firing in a way I don't think it should"
14:45.00cladhaireand that is just not true, and is why I am disagreeing with you
14:45.07noctsBecause I know very well when the event -should- be firing.
14:45.15noctsAnd it isn't in the crossroads.
14:45.51cladhaire"Fires when your status in a battlefield or its queue changes."
14:45.56cladhairewhy can't that happen in the crossroads?
14:46.04noctsI was never queued while in the BG.
14:46.11cnc|worknote its battlefield and not battelground
14:46.12noctsEr, crossroads.
14:46.34cnc|workevery zone is a battlefield isn't it ?
14:46.41noctsNot that I'm aware of O.o
14:46.48cnc|workI'm not sure here
14:46.49krkalove is a battlefield!
14:46.54cladhaireno one is arguing that the event might fire in a place that you might not think makes sense
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14:46.59noctsThank you.
14:47.03noctsThat's all I wanted to hear.
14:47.08krkamaybe you are in love, thus in a battlefield, thus getting the events!
14:47.10cladhairebut what you think doesn't matter, unless the event is causing an issue.
14:47.13noctsThat someone agreed that it was firing in a time and place that it most likely shouldn't be.
14:47.27cladhairenocts: I can't confirm it is, so I can't confirm that
14:47.31cladhaireI'm just not calling you a liar
14:47.34noctsIt isn't about causing an issue, it's about being new to how blizzard works and old fashion hacker curiosity about "why"
14:47.34cladhaireand telling you that it doesn't matter
14:47.46krkai can confirm that cladhaire can not confirm it
14:47.48cladhaireif you want to look at event
14:47.55cladhairelook at TABARD_CANSAVE_CHANGED
14:48.00cladhaireshit happens, and some of the code relies on it
14:48.09cladhaireand QA makes it really difficult to "fix" what we would consider issues
14:48.25cladhaireso until they become legitimate problems, they just exist :P
14:48.30cnc|workheh
14:48.33noctsSo why is it so bad that I observe, wonder, and report?
14:48.34WraithanI work in QA
14:48.37cnc|workglad us addon devs don't have those issues
14:48.37cladhairethat's the moral of the story
14:48.47cnc|workI do hope they clean their mess for 3.X though
14:48.51cnc|workcuz they damn well can if they want to
14:49.00WraithanIt is hard as hell to get the management to pay attention to bugs and really explain how bad some of these bugs are
14:49.12krkathe problem is that blizzard didnt know lua properly when they started building the ui
14:49.15cladhairecnc|work: they can clean up a mess
14:49.18cladhaireor they can implement the expansion
14:49.19cladhairechoose one
14:49.20cladhaire:P
14:49.23cnc|workeh
14:49.23krkathey do now, atleast some of the devs :)
14:49.27cnc|workthey have MORE then enough time to do both
14:49.29cladhaireno
14:49.30cnc|workand you know it
14:49.31cladhairethey don't.
14:49.32krkabut they're not fixing old code for the sake of it
14:49.32cladhaireare you retarded?
14:49.40cladhairedo you have nay idea how many devs they have working on the ui
14:49.40cladhairecause i do
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14:49.48cnc|workI don't, tell me :p
14:49.49cladhaireand how many games they have going concurrently now?
14:49.51cladhairethey don't just "have time"
14:49.57cladhairethe UI team can be counted on two hands
14:49.59cladhairein full
14:50.13cnc|workthen I'm wondering why they don't hire more
14:50.13cladhaireslouken not being one of them
14:50.23cladhairebecause making changes to code
14:50.24Poul|WorkHi, what changed in the API to alow the posible to draw arrows telling you where to go, thinking of quest helper .)
14:50.26cladhairethat aren't new
14:50.30cladhaireand don't fix any problems
14:50.32cladhaireis a waste of money
14:50.45cnc|workgood and sane code is not a waste of money
14:50.49cnc|workthough I see your point
14:51.02krkai disagree with cladhaire
14:51.03Wraithanbug fixes mean less to management than features
14:51.14cladhairethey're not bugs
14:51.22cnc|workthey're sanitizing
14:51.25cladhairesince "we" don't know why and when these events fire
14:51.25krkasome may consider it a waste of money, but i don't think it is
14:51.31cladhairekrka: i dont either
14:51.34cnc|workwhich is, from a company point of view, a waste
14:51.35cladhairebut i'm not vivendi/activision/blizzard
14:51.40cladhaireand i can see how they feel that way
14:51.46cladhairethe code should have been right the first time
14:51.46krkait depends on the expected life time of the product, i guess
14:51.50cladhairebut that just didn't happen
14:51.55krkathat never happens
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14:52.00krkasoftware companies know that
14:52.01noctsTo me it's wasted cycles and wasted overhead. Just because it's not causing problems doesn't mean there isn't something that can't be improved.
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14:52.08noctsLet's not use a KDE mindset, here.
14:52.14cladhairei'm not
14:52.19krkathe cycles and overhead is not the problem though
14:52.20cladhairebut let's be realistic
14:52.23cladhaireindeed
14:52.27krkait's maintainence and bug risk
14:52.35krkaclean code generally introduce fewer bugs
14:52.42krkaand is easier to maintain, debug and extend
14:52.43cladhairewell lets look at two things
14:52.50cladhaireone, he's complaining that there is copy/paste code
14:52.52cladhaireand yes, that could be cleaned up
14:52.53Poul|Workwhat have i missed, what starte
14:52.55krkafixing old code is only useful if you intend to keep working on it
14:52.58cladhaireand should be when someone next goes into the system
14:52.58Poul|Workstarted this decussion?
14:53.01Poul|Worksome post?
14:53.06cladhairehowever, the event thing is completely useless to be talking about
14:53.10noctsWhy?
14:53.15noctsIt's cycles.
14:53.15cladhairebecuase what you see as a "BUG" when an event fires
14:53.17cladhaireno
14:53.18cladhairestop
14:53.20cladhairedon't talk about cycles
14:53.23cladhaireyou sound silly :P
14:53.34noctsYou've never programmed in asem have you, or anything meaningful?
14:53.36cladhairei've done my share of optimization and profiling in the course of my life
14:53.38cladhaireyes
14:53.39cladhaire<PROTECTED>
14:53.40cladhairethanks
14:53.44cladhairedon't try to insult me, you'll lose
14:53.49cladhairei'm trying to have a conversation with you here.
14:53.54cnc|workcladhaire: why are you so agressive today ? :o
14:54.02cladhairecnc|work: i'm not, i'm responding to whats thrown at me
14:54.03cnc|workyou're WAY more agressive then usual :p
14:54.03krkaCycles Are Not Always Important
14:54.20cladhairejust because you dont' think event A should fire at time B doesn't mean its a bug
14:54.27noctsSomething is firing to collect data when it is not in the situation requiring it to fire.
14:54.31noctsDoesn't have to be a bug.
14:54.37krkafirst you profile, then you optimize. don't optimize something that's running at 0.01% of the time
14:54.40noctsBut it isn't working as intended.
14:54.43cladhairenot something that needs to be "Fixed'
14:54.51cladhaireyou are looking at it from the wowwiki version of what the event does
14:54.58cladhaireyou dont know what its supposed to actually be doing
14:55.04cnc|worktrue too
14:55.07noctsSo I've never touched Ascent code, or similar?
14:55.11cnc|workall the docs about the UI were found out the hard way
14:55.22cladhaireI dont give one shit if you're worked on a damn private server
14:55.30cladhaireother than to further prove to me that you're not worth spending time on
14:55.41cladhairebut it sure doesn't make you better than people who have been working and refining the system for the past four year
14:55.42Poul|Workguys! are we talking about an addon or something blizzard are doing?
14:55.43cladhaireplain and simple.
14:55.53cnc|workPoul|Work: blizz
14:55.56noctsSo because I've worked on the packet system for client/server response... you're going to throw a childish fit and declare me "not worth it"
14:55.58noctsGet over yourself.
14:55.58Poul|Workoki
14:56.07cladhaireI don't think I'm important
14:56.20cladhairein the least
14:56.27noctsI don't either.
14:56.34cladhairebut i'm not the one coming around stomping his feet about what you know is right or wrong
14:56.41cladhairei'm presenting to you the conversations we've had with blizzard over four years
14:56.42noctsBut it isn't hard to sit back and monitor what the client and server is passing around back and forth.
14:56.56cladhaireI know it's not, really :P
14:57.15cladhaireAnd here's the deal
14:57.35cladhaireif you have a reproducable condition where an event fires someplace that you would consider unexpected, bring it up and post about it so it can be addressed
14:57.50cladhairewe'll either get it fixed, or get clarification on what the event is actually meant to convey
14:57.53cladhaireits as simple as that :P
14:58.04noctsHow do you intend to fix it if it's Blizz's code?
14:58.11cladhaireyou ask blizzard abou tit
14:58.19cladhairesame as we've done since the UI was opened.
14:58.25Josh_Borkeobviously you mean you come and bitch about it in an irc room cladhaire
14:58.30cnc|worknocts: blizzard as very very very helpfull when given samples of code that clearly are not intented
14:58.50cladhaireagain, we may run into the cost/benefit problem
14:58.54krkaor are clearly not indented
14:58.56cladhairewhere the time spent to fix the issue isn't worth the fix
14:59.01cladhairekrka: those are the worst =(
14:59.08cladhairealmost as bad as the pun :P
14:59.35noctsBug report or UI forum?
14:59.40cladhaireUI forum
14:59.42cnc|workUI
14:59.58cladhaireor if its something that is really important bring it up to people who can get in contact
15:00.13cladhairealthough those cases are extremely unlikely
15:00.23noctsAnd I'm just in a rotten mood today. I hate it when I get curious about something that requires some digging, some mystery, and people just tell me to drop it.
15:00.29noctsIt isn't about importance. It's about "why"
15:00.31cladhairebut before you post, you shoudl make sure you have somethign that isn't just your client, that you can reproduce, and that other people experience
15:00.33cladhaireNo one told you to drop it
15:00.41cladhairebut you're asking the wrong questinos from the wrong perspective
15:00.47cladhairethat's what I've been trying to point out
15:01.05krkainstead try to see the truth... there is no event
15:01.09cladhaireI don't need to be lectured on the experience and worth of experimenting and questioning.. that's how most of us ended up here.
15:01.19cladhaireand we WANT you poking around and asking questions
15:01.36krkaand ended up slightly less sane as a result
15:01.38noctsCan someone else also run a test, checking the event UPDATE_BATTLEFIELD_STATUS?
15:01.43cladhairebut you also need to understand where we are today and how these things work when it comes to dealing with Blizzard code.
15:01.46cladhairenocts: where do we have to be
15:01.52cladhairebecause i am running around ironforge and the event hasn't fired once.
15:02.09cladhairei can hop on my druid and run to xroads if necessary
15:02.15noctsTry hovering over a player.
15:02.20noctsMouse-wise.
15:02.27noctsThat tripled the event cps for me.
15:02.33krkasimple idea: make an addon that tracks the event, and writes zone location, coordinates and potential pvp /battlefield states in a logfile
15:02.38Josh_Borkecladhaire: you have to try humping a player while in bear form
15:02.49cladhairemy ween is bigger in human form
15:02.54cladhairebears have shrinkage problems
15:02.56cladhaireso that's no fun
15:03.12Josh_Borkeyou're not supposed to be having fun
15:03.12cladhairenocts: I get UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT as expected
15:03.18cladhairebut no UPDATE_BATTLEFIELD_STATUS
15:03.19krkahumping is more fun in beer form
15:03.30noctsGod damnit, I don't know why the event is firing then.
15:03.34noctsThis is on a clean client install, too.
15:03.48cladhairethen do what krka suggested and see if you can figure anything out from there
15:03.51cladhairedoes it happen in any zone?
15:03.53cladhairemake a level 1 somewhere
15:03.59cladhairethats always the best way to test things like this.
15:04.06krka(and give the addon to others for more data)
15:04.06cladhairesomething that someone else can reproduce
15:04.10noctsI went from the BG masters in Org to the zep, and walked along the road through Razor hill to Xroads
15:04.18Mytosdamn you EU players you made me think the US realms were back up
15:04.19noctsAnytime a players was on-screen the event was fired.
15:04.23cladhairewhat did you do at the BG masters?
15:04.24noctsAnytime I moused over them it tripled.
15:04.39noctsNothing. I was testing the BG queue mod I'm writing. But that was pre-clean client.
15:05.03cladhairewhats the behavior you are seeing right now then, on a clean client?
15:05.17noctsCan't login right now, but the behavior is as I mentioned.
15:05.22noctsAre the servers up?
15:05.27cladhairemine are :P
15:05.31noctsI hate you.
15:05.33noctsLemme check
15:05.37cladhairethe us servers are down
15:05.38cladhaireeu are up
15:05.41cladhairewhat about the pte?
15:05.43cladhaireptr?
15:05.48noctsPTR queue list is full
15:05.53cladhaireboo
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15:06.29noctsAs for the reasoning, I was just testing how to capture what events were firing and noticed the UPDATE_BATTLEFIELD_STATUS, recognizing it from what I was writing just a few hours before.
15:06.48cladhaire*nod*
15:06.51cladhairehave you run into /dtevents
15:06.56cladhaireextremely useful for this sort of thing
15:07.00cladhaireand gives you a full log of whats gone on
15:07.05noctsIn devtools?
15:07.07noctsYup
15:07.07cladhaireaye
15:07.12cladhaire<3 it
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15:07.20noctsThere is -no- reason Devtools should be false firing events, right?
15:07.21Josh_Borke~lart devtools
15:07.21purlexecutes killall -HUP devtools
15:07.31cladhairenocts: no, it just uses frame:RegisterAllEvents()
15:08.03krkaare you sure? i thought it used frame:RegisterAllEventsDotDotDotAndThenSomeExclamation()
15:08.13Josh_Borkeno, no
15:08.16Josh_Borkethat's Ace2
15:08.29krkamakes sense
15:08.39cladhaireaddon:RegisterAllEventsDotDotDotAndThenSomeExclamationBucketTimer()
15:08.39cladhaireimo
15:09.06Josh_Borkekaelten did have a part in it after all ;-)
15:09.10noctsWho feels up to looking over my cold-code?
15:09.21noctsNewbie written, and I think I'm still mixing up the if not and if's.
15:09.45Kaeltenhuh?
15:09.49Kaelten~lart Josh_Borke
15:09.49purlwhips Josh_Borke with a wet and grimy noodle just because
15:09.52cladhairelol
15:10.01Josh_Borke:D
15:10.08krkawhat is lart?
15:10.15Kaelten~lart?
15:10.16purlrumour has it, lart is Luser Attitude Re-adjustment Tool
15:10.17Josh_Borke~wtf lart
15:10.24Josh_Borke~lart krka
15:10.24purlurinates on krka
15:10.34Kaeltenbah, that ones in bad taste
15:10.35Josh_Borkelol
15:10.39Kaelten~lart Josh_Borke
15:10.39purlwhips out a shotgun, trudges over to Josh_Borke, and goes postal
15:10.40krkayes, but what is it?
15:10.48Josh_Borkean acronym
15:11.00Josh_Borkealso, it is a type of bird
15:11.07Josh_Borkeor maybe that',s a lark
15:11.08Kaeltener, isn't that a lark?
15:11.11Josh_Borke~wiki lart
15:11.33Kaelten~wiki lark
15:11.43Josh_Borkeuh oh, out of sandwich meat :-(
15:11.54Kaelten~wiki sandwich meat
15:11.57noctshttp://pastey.net/90342
15:12.06Josh_Borke...
15:12.08Kaelten~comfort purl
15:12.09purlThere, there, purl.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
15:12.17noctsBG queuing mod for auto-join, auto-leave, auto-screenshot, arena settings, etc.
15:12.30noctsWaiting for the servers to rise from the dead.
15:12.53noctsI'm throwing myself to the slaughter I know it. But I've brought enough lube that I should only bleed for a short period of time.
15:12.57cladhairei hate downtime for that reason =/
15:13.14nocts^ this
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15:13.55krkalooks like you have forgotten a couple of end
15:14.08noctsgimme gimmie lines
15:14.25krkaprobably should be another end before line 44
15:14.43cladhaireyou can use codepaste.org or luac -p -l to check the syntax
15:14.45noctsGood catch, closing 37
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15:15.06noctsoh,fun
15:15.22noctscodepaste.org does not exist.
15:15.23noctsheh
15:15.24noctsluac
15:15.26nocts!luac
15:15.38noctsI assume luac is bot-based?
15:15.51cladhaireno, its an executable.
15:15.53krkait's the command line lua compiler
15:15.55noctsOh snap, its the lua compiler.
15:15.56cladhairehttp://codepad.org/
15:15.56nocts><
15:15.57cladhairesorry
15:16.53Josh_Borke~fail cladhaire
15:16.54purlYou suck at everything in life, cladhaire. I hate you because you fail.
15:17.06Josh_Borkelol.  perfect!
15:17.16cladhaire:P
15:17.28Snagonocts: You need to move up the local frame declaration on line 30 above line 24 else lua will try use the global frame
15:18.08Movixhi, i'd like to know how i can create a container frame that automatically hiddes exceedind childframes or the part of theese childframes that are outside the container frame. actualy i did find no solution and my whole child frames are shown also if completly outside the parent frame
15:18.10noctsframe:SetScript("OnUpdate", nil)?
15:18.14Josh_Borkenocts: i don't think GetTime is what you want
15:18.23Movixany hints
15:18.24noctsIt is Josh, using it as a point of time reference
15:18.25Movix?
15:18.29Snagonocts: yes
15:18.38Josh_Borke!api GetTime
15:18.39lua_botDocumentation for 'GetTime' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetTime
15:18.40cladhaireMovix: you can use a scroll frame with a scroll child
15:18.44cladhaireand then never provide scroll bars
15:18.47noctsSnago: Hm. I'm using that to halt the OnUpdate script. Will that not nill properly?
15:18.56Josh_Borkeyou'll never get it back
15:19.18noctsJosh_Borke: It's right, Thanks though :)
15:19.24Josh_Borkeindeed
15:19.28Josh_Borkei was thinking of GetGameTime
15:19.41MovixCladhaire: that's the point i'd like do create my own scrollframes because i'am not happy with the blizzard ones
15:19.51cladhaireMovix: whats your problem with the Blizzard ones?
15:19.53Josh_Borkeyou can optimize by getting rid of the GetTime calls and using elapsed
15:20.10cladhairethey're implemented at the C level and doing it at the Lua level will be.. uncomfortable.
15:20.25Josh_Borkecladhaire: kinky ;-)
15:20.43thulhow the flying fuck do I configure keybindings in bt4? :-P
15:20.50noctsSnago: Can you elaborate, pleae?
15:20.59noctsJosh_Borke: I'll look into elapsed
15:21.13Mytos./kb thul
15:21.21Stanzillathul: /lkb
15:21.36Movixi'am very new to addon dev and i used them for now and i'am not sure if it's right but they do not support horizontl scroll
15:21.45Mytosworks like bongos does, I acctually think its much better than BT3 did it
15:21.48cladhaireMovix: they do
15:21.52Snagonocts: frame is a local on line 30 and down. If you try to use it above that you'll use the global value frame
15:22.07cladhairehttp://wowprogramming.com/chapters/22
15:22.09noctsI need the global value :)
15:22.15cladhairethat chapter covers scroll frames
15:22.17MovixCladhaire: are we talking about FauxScrillframe ?
15:22.20cladhaireno
15:22.23noctsI think.
15:22.23cladhairewe're talking about actual scroll frames
15:22.30cladhairelet me post that addon
15:22.33cladhaireif i can find it.
15:22.36noctsOh, wait. No nevermind.
15:22.49Mytosso you dont think nocts?
15:22.54noctslol
15:23.19Mytoshey man, you leave yourself open and I'm gonna swing just because I can lol
15:23.20noctsTechnical question, on line 28, since I'm using a global function, using a global fame:SetScript would be hinderous?
15:23.47thulassrapes Mytos and Stanzilla
15:23.51Snagonocts: the frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", nil) on line 24 is not trying to SetScript on the local defined on line 30?
15:23.54thulseriously, why are things so weird :-(
15:24.04cladhaireMovix: give me 2 mins and this'll be posted.
15:24.18noctsSetting it to nil cancels all OnUpdates, corre.. oh wait.
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15:24.22noctsI only want to cancel the local OnUpdate.
15:24.25noctsNot everyone's.
15:24.28Movixk, thx a lot
15:24.30noctsFuck. Look at me almost not play nice ><
15:24.55Josh_Borkenocts: frame:SetScript finds a global reference to frame and sets its script, not all frames; -)
15:25.18noctsJosh_Borke: So that could have been very, very bad.
15:25.27thuloh, thecommand is actually kb, I thought Stanzilla and Mytos wanted to kickban me :-(
15:25.29Josh_Borkepotentially, but not probably
15:25.30thulsoryyyyy
15:25.37Stanzilla:<
15:25.43noctsAlso, does it matter where I register events at?
15:25.49noctsBefore functions? After?
15:26.00Snagonocts: no
15:26.04Josh_Borkeafter the frame declaration, but otherwise no
15:26.11noctsAwesome, go go rewriting for readability.
15:26.12nocts!api Elapsed
15:26.13lua_botCould not find a match for 'Elapsed'.
15:26.17nocts!api elapsed
15:26.17Mytosthanks for the assrape after helping you dude, I'll remember next time you ask for help
15:26.17lua_botCould not find a match for 'elapsed'.
15:27.04cladhaireelapsed is just the second argument to the OnUpdate function
15:27.15Josh_Borkenocts: look up a how to do onupdates on wowwiki.com
15:27.17cladhairelemme find that page
15:27.23noctshttp://codepad.org/N8YNm8aN
15:27.37noctsModified code, updated. Comments left intact for now, but will be removed upon release. Just for me :P
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15:27.50cladhairehttp://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnUpdate
15:27.53Movixthx
15:28.03cladhaireoh Movix that's not for you :P
15:28.03Josh_Borkeblasted cladhaire with his spiffy wowprogramming.com
15:28.04cladhairethat's for nocts
15:28.15noctsDid I do anything else wrong with OnUpdate aside from trying to use it globally?
15:28.19cladhaireMovix: http://wowprogramming.com/chapters/22 is for you
15:28.28cladhaireMovix: the ScrollFrameTest is for actual scroll frames
15:28.37Movixbut i se two newly added examples on wowprogramming, that the thx was for ;-)
15:28.43cladhaireMacroIconTest is how you could do something like FauxScrollFrame without needing to use the templates
15:28.47cladhaire:P
15:28.49Josh_Borkenocts: your assumptions about if and if not are correct
15:28.57Josh_Borkenocts: the only false are nil and false
15:29.15noctsGotcha. Added that up top so I could remember. Coming from C, and that luaism is gorgeous.. but confusing at first.
15:29.29noctsIf I ended up using them wrong, still, let me know -.-
15:29.40thulMytos: I misunderstood :-P I saaaaid so.
15:29.51thulMytos: i thought "so, they want to kickban me for asking stupid questions?! EVIL"
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15:30.48noctsMatter of fact, ignore most of the notes aside from the config options. I've done so much code hacking that I haven't updated all the notes to reflect it.
15:31.00thulI really have to rework my UI this evening
15:31.03thulmake it beautifull again
15:31.10CIA-4403LordFarlander * r77682 10Mount/Mount.lua:
15:31.11CIA-44Mount:
15:31.11CIA-44- Fix for button not remembering position again...
15:32.12noctsframe:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD") --- need to remove that, I'm no longer using that event.
15:32.40noctsInitially called it so that I could check for IsInInstance and prevent it from autojoining when already in a BG/instance
15:33.01noctsif GetBattlefieldStatus(i) == "active" and AUTO_JOIN_IN_BG then return end --- more elegant solution, once I learned GetBattlefieldStatus could return status as active
15:34.11noctsWait, that needs to be if not, doesn't it.
15:34.20cladhairenevcairiel: ping again
15:34.24krkaor you can change == to ~=
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15:35.19noctsif GetBattlefieldStatus(i) == "active" or not AUTO_JOIN_IN_BG then return end
15:35.41Groktaris cuckoo for cocoa puffs
15:35.46noctsMeans, if status == active OR AUTO_JOIN_IN_BG is false or nil, then return and end that shit.
15:35.47noctsCorrect?
15:36.13krkayes
15:36.36noctsKrka: I could do ~= but there are too many different status', I'm checking specifically for those two.
15:37.08Chompershttp://www.go-hero.net/opie/
15:37.10Chomperspretty sweet
15:38.19Fisker-Chompers
15:38.21Fisker-i'm killing you
15:38.39Groktarkills fisker first
15:38.46noctsif IsShiftKeyDown() or not AUTO_QUEUE then return end -- fixed as well, needed  to be a not AUTO_QUEUE
15:39.13thulassrapes Ellipsis too, for good measure
15:39.20Chompersnooo Fisker
15:39.29Chomperswhy would you do that, i thought we were lovers
15:39.38Fisker-we are
15:39.49cladhaireyou only love Fisker- when you want poonanny
15:40.01Fisker-but since Groktar is killing me i'll have to kill you so we can meet in heaven
15:40.10cladhaireis he killing you softly
15:40.12cladhairewith his song?
15:40.28noctsFisker- is like the street slut that you always go back to, crying, after your girlfriend/boyfriend leaves you. Even if it's sloppy, at least it's love.
15:42.23noctsline 17: attempt to call global 'CreateFrame' (a nil value)
15:42.39noctsI'm assuming calling the global isn't an issue since it's used in the WoW API, amirite?
15:42.43cladhairethats good
15:42.45cladhaireit means your syntax is right
15:42.52cladhaireand started to run it
15:42.56cladhairethat's why I use luac -p
15:43.02cladhaireit just parses the code to make sure its valid
15:43.07cladhaire:P
15:43.15noctsunchecks 'run code'
15:43.25cladhaireheh
15:43.28noctsOh that's retarded.
15:43.32noctsNow it doesn't even check the code.
15:43.34noctsIt just pastes it.
15:43.38cladhaireO.o
15:43.40cladhaireoh codepaste
15:43.40cladhairelol
15:43.43cladhairethen yeah you're fine :P
15:43.53noctsGo go my first mod, cold-coded.
15:44.21krkayou could of course wrap it all in a: assert(loadstring[==[ YOUR CODE GOES HERE ]==]) and run it
15:44.29cladhaireword
15:44.33noctswtf?
15:44.44noctsYou know, Ellipsis tried similar bullshit on me and it blew my fucking mind as a C coder.
15:44.57noctsJoinBattlefield(type, 1, ARENA_RATED and 1 or 0)
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15:45.09krkait's like the ? operator in c
15:45.16krkaARENA_RATED ? 1 : 0
15:45.30noctsOh shit O.o I never knew... about the.
15:45.35noctsWait, you're taffing me.
15:45.39noctsThat's OO
15:45.44cladhaire??
15:45.45krkataffing?
15:45.59cladhairelua> true and false or "monkey"
15:45.59lua_botcladhaire: monkey
15:46.36krkathat's why i said "like" cladhaire
15:46.48cladhaire;-)
15:47.11krkalua> "a" and "b" and "c"
15:47.12lua_botkrka: c
15:47.16krkalua> "a" or "b" and "c"
15:47.17lua_botkrka: a
15:47.19krkalua> "a" or "b" or "c"
15:47.19lua_botkrka: a
15:47.24krkalua> "a" and "b" or "c"
15:47.25lua_botkrka: b
15:47.30Groktartouches krka in a dirty place
15:47.47Fisker-weird
15:47.51Fisker-[2008/07/01 17:46:49-3941-x1]: ...ridStatusIncomingHealth\GridStatusIncomingHealth.lua:11: The functionality of this addon has been merged into base grid (about four months ago xD ). Please delete it. Thank you.:
15:47.57Fisker-I'm pretty sure i deleted that a long time ago
15:47.58Fisker-;_;
15:48.26Groktarfisker
15:48.36Groktari think i borked my grid
15:48.41Fisker-yo momma?
15:49.15Chompershow do i make people use grid
15:49.38Chompersdid those russians ever perfect mind control?
15:49.49Groktari was trying to add the custom debuffs
15:49.54Groktarlike Agonizing Flames
15:49.58Groktarbut it never shows up :(
15:50.00noctselapse is confusing me.
15:50.07noctsI'll wait till the servers are up, first.
15:50.07Fisker-They did in red alert 2 Chompers
15:50.18Chompersah yes
15:50.26Chompersthat's practically reality
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15:50.47ChompersTO THE CHRONOSPHERE!
15:51.14Fisker-indeed
15:51.29Fisker-watch out for chrono ivan's though
15:51.46ZyndromeRUBBERSHOES IN MOTION
15:52.16Fisker-a group of veteran chrono troopers = win
15:52.34Fisker-could basically hold back a whole army
15:52.39Fisker-as long as they didn't get overrun
15:52.59Fisker-man
15:53.00Chompersby said large army?
15:53.15Fisker-you'd have chrono troopers up the wazoo
15:53.24Fisker-i'd usually run around with 20-40 of them
15:53.31Chompersnot a good place for a trooper to be
15:53.39Chompersunless it's the navy
15:53.41Chompershohoho
15:54.04Fisker-put C&C first decade on steam mr. EA :(
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15:59.35Yasuohi there, im searching for the addon wich show the mp5 as cast in the manabar
15:59.37ZealotOnAStickor the Stardock thingy.
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16:00.14ZealotOnAStickthough honestly, I don't care overmuch for the C&C franchise.
16:00.32durcynit was good before EA borged Westwood :/
16:00.56durcynthough that can be said of anything EA's borged.  rest in peace, Maxis and Bullfrog.
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16:04.06AvrysAmen, durcyn
16:04.16AvrysI stilll play DK2
16:04.30Avrysbrilliant concept imo
16:04.44noctsI'm excited for Diablo 3, I'm not going to lie.
16:05.29Yasuowell anyone know the addon to keep watching mp5?
16:06.00Yasuoit starts a kinda castbar when a cast stops and the p5 starts
16:10.24Groktarxperl does that
16:10.50Groktarthere's a little line across the top of the fram
16:10.52Groktar*frame
16:10.58Groktaryou want to know when you're outside fsr, right?
16:25.19WraithanThe WoW Programming any good?
16:25.23WraithanJust noticed it
16:25.31Wraithaner, Programming book.
16:25.33[Ammo]the book is awesome
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16:43.36DARKGuyHackers are the most awesome group ever.
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16:49.15Yasuo<Groktar> you want to know when you're outside fsr, right? << mean me? no i want to know when MP5 Starts/Ends
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16:50.48SnagoYasuo: Mana gained happens every 2 sec (even the mana from items that give +x mana per 5 seconds)
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16:55.17YasuoGroktar, ok xperl shows it i just didnt recognice
16:55.33YasuoSnago, when mana regs every 2sec why xperl show the 5sec bar?
16:55.59SnagoYasuo: After a spellcast your normal mana regen is interupted for 5 seconds
16:56.02WraithanIsn't the 5sec bar the one for since last cast?
16:56.20Yasuoah
16:56.37WraithanI don't think it interupts mana regen if the spell doesn't cost you any mana though
16:56.45Yasuoso when i *end* a cast every 5sec i will never get my full manareg?
16:56.46SnagoWraithan: correct
16:56.57Wraithansomething I keep meaning to test with my shaman when he gets clearcasting+focus
16:56.58SnagoYasuo: correct
16:57.10Yasuowow thats complicatet ^
16:57.32Yasuoso i can start a big heal and cancel it and it will not interrupot my manareg
16:57.43Groktaryes
16:57.44Wraithanright, only when you actually lose mana from casting
16:57.48Groktar^
16:57.49SnagoYasuo: There's talents and other effect that let's you keep x% of normal regen "while casting" (should say "for 5 sec after casting)
16:58.24WraithanSnago: that wouldn't cover what it does during channelling though, you get that regen during channelling too
16:58.27Wraithanwhich is not post cast
16:59.11SnagoWraithan: Channeled spells cost mana at the start of the cast so iirc you enter 5sr when you start channeling
17:00.41SnagoI'm thinking of expanding oUF_PowerSpark ( http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8883-oUF_PowerSpark.html ) to support other unitframes than just oUF
17:02.37p3limSnago: Its a plugin, If you decide to make it for other frameworks aswell, please do it as a seperate one.
17:03.09Snagop3lim: Yes, it would be another addon, just called "PowerSpark" :)
17:03.22p3limYeah :)
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17:06.52Aeyanp3lim: I've been using your oUF layout and I've noticed my spiral buff timers seem to be backwards (shaded spiraling to clear). Is that your own setting, something in the oUF core, or just really weird? =P
17:07.36p3limAeyan: What you mean by backwards? :p
17:08.02AeyanWhen I cast a buff on someone, the entire buff icon starts out shaded dark
17:08.11AeyanThen spirals to clear as it expires
17:08.52p3limThat would be default
17:09.07p3limWith everything I think aswell
17:09.16p3limNot just oUF
17:09.22durcynif you want to change the cooldown model, that's what OmniCC is for
17:10.48AeyanI don't believe icons ever were dark by default
17:11.08Aeyanand I use OmniCC, just not for auras that small
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17:12.18Aeyanhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v372/Aeyan/Warcraft/wow0408-combat.jpg - Lot of junk not related, but you can see what I mean with the auras and buttons
17:13.01AeyanMaybe I just used pitbull too long and that was backwards? I dunno.
17:13.22WraithanAeyan: the upper right of the brick of things , the player/target, what is that?
17:13.46AeyanPlayer/Target thing is EavesDrop
17:14.13WraithanEavesDrop, must look into that
17:14.31WraithanOverall a pretty sweet UI setup
17:14.37Wraithanmay have to copy some of it
17:14.47AeyanThat screenshot is a little outdated, but thanks =)
17:14.53p3limAeyan: Look at your action bars, they are black at start too
17:15.12AeyanYeah, I know the GCD did that
17:15.24AeyanWas referring to the auras
17:15.41p3limThe picture, thats Pitbull?
17:15.59AeyanYes
17:16.03WraithanAeyan: that Chatter for your chatbox?
17:16.11p3limMaybe pitbull has done that on purpose?
17:16.15AeyanTrying to find a screenshot with the default frames or aguf somewhere in my pile
17:16.28AeyanYeah, p3lim, it might have. I used it for a long time.
17:16.33erikhoh wow, I love that layout.
17:16.38AeyanCan't log in at the moment to check anything else though...
17:16.43AeyanDamn you, maintainance
17:16.55AeyanWraithan: Yes.
17:16.57p3limMainenance at this hour? :s
17:17.03erikhAeyan: what are you using to skin the borders on all that stuff?
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17:17.26AeyanThose are kgPanels
17:17.47erikhcool
17:18.02AeyanUsing HalBorder by Hal
17:18.12AeyanErr
17:18.16SnagoAeyan: hehe, same here. I also think the oUF spiral is backwards :P
17:18.17AeyanHalcyonUI
17:18.46p3limSnago: I think the pitbull spiral is backwards :p
17:19.01AeyanIt's been so long since I used to default unitframes, I can't find an old screenshot for reference. =P
17:19.17Aeyanto != the
17:19.22Snagop3lim: Yeah, that's probably it :P
17:19.32p3limGonna check now, sec
17:20.45erikhdamnit, maintenance.
17:20.55AeyanHaha, yeah.
17:21.05p3limYap, default is black at start, then clear up
17:21.05erikhattempts to seduce the blizz sysadmins with hookers and caffeine
17:21.10p3limAtleast on blizzards frames
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17:21.26AeyanHuh, oh well then.
17:21.30AeyanThanks for clearing it up at least
17:21.32Groktari just found out that there is an entire episode of "Everyone Loves Hypnotoad" in the bonus features of bender's big score
17:21.41AeyanOh yes
17:21.42Groktarshrieks with joy
17:21.44Aeyan20 minutes of it
17:22.19Groktarhehe
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17:25.06p3limWait, what...
17:25.11p3limoUF is actually backwards
17:25.44p3limThere is two diffrent cooldown spirals
17:25.55p3limOne for GCD and one for the rest, oUF uses the GCD one
17:26.47p3limI correct myself again, one for cooldowns and one for durations.. atleast what it seems
17:27.00p3limcooldown clears up while duration darkens
17:27.17AeyanI knew it!
17:27.28AeyanSo it is the oUF core
17:27.50p3limoUF Aura module, its just using the wrong template thats all
17:28.09p3limhaste: ping
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17:42.00Groktaromg
17:42.04hastep3lim: pong
17:42.08Groktarhates nevcairiel forever now
17:42.14Groktarswitches to bongos
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17:42.52p3limhaste: oUF Aura uses cooldown spiral instead of duration spiral
17:43.01hasteuhm?
17:43.51p3limwe were discussing cooldown spirals
17:44.03haste... and?
17:44.07p3limthere are two kinds, the duration one (that darkens the icon) and the cooldown one (which clearly does the oposite)
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17:44.27haste... and?
17:44.37p3limauras (buffs and debuffs) uses duration one, why dont oUF use the same?
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17:45.04hastebecause it's up to the layout?
17:46.12hastenot oUF fault that you aren't executing :SetReverse on the cooldown frame :)
17:46.26p3limaha
17:46.59p3limbut the cooldown should be reverse by default imo
17:47.23WraithanSome servers are up
17:47.54hasteit shouldn't really
17:49.00p3limHow come?
17:49.22p3limAll other blizzard frames and other addons uses reverse when it is duration
17:49.47p3limAeyan noticed this after swapping from PitBull
17:51.24hastebecause the core isn't meant to do frames for you
17:52.03hasteit leaves almost all the frames it creates default
17:52.27AeyanI think that's p3lim's point though, it's not emulating the default behavior
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17:53.08Wraithanyay my server is up!
17:53.22AeyanMine's not =(
17:53.24hasteI see his point, I don't see any reason to change it however
17:54.02p3limnot an issue for me though, already using a PostCreateAura() function up so its easy to add it
17:54.17AeyanThat's fine. It's your addon, hehe.
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17:54.56p3limUpdate coming on wowace svn in a sec Aeyan
17:55.36AeyanDanke
17:56.09CIA-4403p3lim * r77684 10oUF_P3lim/oUF_P3lim.lua:
17:56.09CIA-44oUF_P3lim:
17:56.09CIA-44- Reversed spiral on buff/debuff durations
18:01.10AeyanWorking shiny, thanks again.
18:01.12Zyndromereversed spiral? OH GOD *head asplode*
18:17.07cncfanatics~shoot Zyndrome
18:17.07purlACTION shoots Zyndrome in the foot with a cork gun!
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18:24.24Wraithanhttp://todoist.com/ <~ down for anyone else?
18:24.38haste'The requested URL / was not found on this server.'
18:24.49hasteso.. "down"
18:24.54Wraithandamnit
18:24.55Wraithan=(
18:25.03WraithanI have all my todo stuff there
18:25.14WraithanI can ping their server but webpate
18:25.16Wraithanpage
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18:30.43CIA-44GridStatusMissingBuffs:
18:30.43CIA-44- fix 'Prayer of Shadow Protection' typo
18:30.44CIA-44- texture fix from AgentRocket (forum post)
18:32.07ZealotOnASticktodoist or todolist?
18:34.57CIA-4403scorpio0920 * r77687 10RBM_BadgeWatch/ (BadgeWatch.lua RBM_BadgeWatch.toc):
18:34.57CIA-44RBM_BadgeWatch:
18:34.57CIA-44- Update zhTW localization.
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18:40.39crusiehey
18:40.45crusieI got a problem
18:40.49crusiewith cartographer
18:41.05crusieanyone up for helping ?
18:41.12WraithanPEBKAC
18:41.33Wraithan:)
18:41.51crusie^^
18:41.51WraithanI use it a bit but don't do anything excentric with it
18:42.10Wraithanwhat is the issue, (typically on IRC you don't ask to ask you just ask the question then wait)
18:42.24durcyn~asktoask
18:42.25purlThis is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.
18:42.42WraithanGlad? Really?
18:42.52crusiewell I want to use it for mining - I've had it working some time ago - but now even when it says it's installed (cheked under addons in main menu) it doesn't show up in game
18:42.54crusieat all
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18:43.14Wraithan<PROTECTED>
18:43.18Wraithantry that?
18:43.19crusieI'll try that
18:43.35WraithanAlso is it up to date?
18:44.03crusieI think so
18:44.09crusieused the wowaceupdater to install it
18:44.26crusie./car does nothing
18:44.29crusiecart*
18:45.27crusiehmm
18:45.43crusieI just get the latest from the files.wowace.com ?
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18:48.18durcynthe cartographer profession modules are deprecated.  use gathermate.  the end.
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18:50.06crusiedurcyn does it work the same way ?
18:50.23crusieÏ mean with routes and stuff
18:50.47durcynyes.
18:52.19Stanzillayou need GatherMate and Routes tho, 2 addons
18:52.36durcynjust make sure you're using Routes proper and not Cartographer_Routes
18:52.47durcynwhich is also deprecated
18:53.02crusieso where do i find those ?
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18:54.19CIA-4403scorpio0920 * r77688 10RBM_BlackTemple/ (6 files):
18:54.19CIA-44RBM_BlackTemple:
18:54.19CIA-44- Update zhTW localization.
18:54.35crusiehmmm... routes proper is under maps too ?
18:54.46durcynjust look under R
18:55.16crusiewould you recommend the gatherHUD too +´
18:55.29durcynif you like that sort of thing, it works, sure.
18:55.36crusieand the data one ?
18:56.25Stanzilla_Data contains node data gathered from wowdb
18:56.36Stanzillafor herbs, ore etc
18:56.42GnarfozI thought that was wowhead data
18:59.44crusiehmmm and when it's installed... I still got nothing on maps..
19:01.53crusieah
19:01.57crusiedidn't import data ^^
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19:13.29Gnarfozdurcyn: well, then wowdb data sucks even more than wowhead data :( uncounted masses of nodes out of bounds :(
19:15.34Stanzilladid you override your database?
19:15.46Stanzillaor merge on import?
19:17.41Gnarfoztried starting over with _Data data several times over the months
19:18.11Gnarfozstill getting nodes in outland zones (didn't bother to check vanilla content) that hover way outside of the actual boundaries of the zone
19:24.21VulcanusI don't has this problem
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20:04.25CIA-44Cryolysis3:
20:04.25CIA-44- Spell cache will now work for every class (<3 LPT)
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20:50.26Groktarwhen you're in #
20:50.26GroktarForum > WOW REALM FORUMS > Daggerspine
20:50.36Groktarit's difficult to click daggerspine without clicking on the logo
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21:18.57CIA-44Cryolysis3:
21:18.57CIA-44- Finished mount detection and mount button code.
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21:42.36thulI have eaten absrud amounts of meat today
21:42.55Ackisinserts gay joke.
21:45.02Wraithanhttp://www.pctronix.co.nz/images/mx_1.jpg <~ should be at my house right now ! ordered it a couple days ago
21:46.41thul1.5-2kgs of meat.
21:46.42thulthat is.. a bit
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21:56.02hasteWraithan: awesome mouse is awesome
21:56.10MoonWitchhey guys, my guildie just had the strangest message, "changes have been made to the events for *charname* from another computer..." and nothing is missing etc. He plays on the same pc, but I've played on three pcs without issues >.<
21:56.24MoonWitchcan't even find stuff about it through the awesomeness that is google
21:56.53VonhintenHOME`It's Group Calendar
21:57.42MoonWitchoh
21:57.46MoonWitchthanks
21:57.51VonhintenHOME`I've been getting those messages too.  Someone implemented something assinine in group calendar, and now it's tied to specific computers, or it gives warnings and tries to do wierd shit
21:58.27VonhintenHOME`I think it might have something to do with an old saved variables file
21:58.42VonhintenHOME`Try wiping all your group calendar saved variables
21:59.23VonhintenHOME`Like, i split my character off my account onto a new account, but group calendar still thinks they're on the same account
22:00.52MoonWitchthanks VonhintenHOME`
22:01.04Ellipsiswhy should group calendar care which account your characters are on?
22:01.30NivFreaksavedvars? :P
22:01.56Ellipsisin that case how can it tell what changed in SVs it can't access? :P
22:02.02VonhintenHOME`That's a good question, why should it care... but it does, due to some new updating feature
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22:02.17NivFreakohh
22:02.39Ellipsissounds dumb
22:02.39NivFreakit has some consistency issues with running it on multiple machines...
22:02.47VonhintenHOME`yes
22:02.48NivFreakso I think they are trying to prevent you from doing it
22:03.07NivFreakhonestly, I'm amazed group cal ever works
22:03.14NivFreakwe have it randomly wipe people's signups
22:03.14VonhintenHOME`It doesn't half the time
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22:03.49VonhintenHOME`The only way group calendar has a hope in hell of working is if you have a ton of people in your guild and they is always someone on with it installed
22:03.59VonhintenHOME`if you have times when there's no one on, it fails
22:04.17VonhintenHOME`they is = there is
22:04.21Shirikuh
22:04.41ShirikI'm not even going to dignify that with a response, actually
22:04.43Shirikthink what you want
22:04.55NivFreakVonhintenHOME`: you just need overlap
22:05.03NivFreakit works pretty well for us
22:05.09NivFreakbut there are certainly some bugs
22:05.25NivFreakand they aren't easy to diagnose since it's a distributed system
22:05.39VonhintenHOME`Shirik, well, I'm open for suggestios
22:06.23VonhintenHOME`There's a problem somewhere, changes don't get propegated and get lost all the time in my guild
22:07.40cncfanaticshttp://xkcd.com/323/ haha
22:17.07CIA-4403belazor 07data * r77695 10Cryolysis3/mounts.lua:
22:17.07CIA-44Cryolysis3:
22:17.07CIA-44- Yeah, how about I test my code before committing :(
22:17.07CIA-44- ~lart Vulcanus
22:17.28CIA-4403profalbert 07Parrot (newCombatLog) * r77696 10Parrot/ (Data/CombatEvents.lua Parrot.toc):
22:17.28CIA-44Parrot:
22:17.28CIA-44- finished outgoing events
22:17.28CIA-44- fixed incoming events
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22:19.56CIA-4403jncl * r77697 10Skinner/ (. Localisations.lua embeds.xml): Skinner: Reverted last change which included unnecessary libraries
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22:23.56Ellipsisare the chat bubble frames named or accessible in any way?
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22:30.37Zyndromeoh boy can't wait for my UI to be declined on WOWI for being so bad, the server collapses
22:30.40Zyndrome;<
22:31.01Funkeh`k
22:32.57Benihimeis there an addon exept Shared Media that adds more fonts to select from or status bars ?
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22:37.39durcynseveral, but sharedmedia's the only one that does -just- that.
22:38.00Benihimewhich are the other ?
22:38.26durcynvarious addons that use the library, such as sct, bigwigs, that sort of thing
22:38.45durcyni would not recommend installing them for the purpose of finding new media sources though
22:38.57Funkeh`lol
22:40.49CIA-4403jncl * r77698 10Skinner/Localisations.lua: Skinner: Reverted a misconceived Library change
22:42.56CIA-4403profalbert 07Parrot (newCombatLog) * r77699 10Parrot/ (Code/CombatEvents.lua Data/CombatEvents.lua):
22:42.56CIA-44Parrot:
22:42.56CIA-44- support for multiple combatLogEvents in RegisterCombatEvent
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22:44.07Vulcanusdoes attempting to changing a frame's texture in combat cause taint? Not touching its function, just texture
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22:51.16CIA-4403jncl * r77700 10Skinner/ (7 files in 2 dirs):
22:51.16CIA-44Skinner: Skinned other Minimap buttons
22:51.16CIA-44- Updated MinimapButtonFrame, Bongos3, FramesResized & SmartBuff skins
22:51.43thulhmm, is gonff broken?
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22:54.26Gagorian!ap 380
22:54.35GagorianXinhuan that bastard
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22:56.09Diaolol
22:56.18Diaoman
22:56.24Diaoi spent so much time and effort trying to hit 1700 the first week
22:56.26Diaoin 3v3 arenas
22:56.28Diao300+ games
22:56.36Diaoand then today my 2v2 partner logs in
22:56.40Diaowe play 13 games and hit 1702
22:56.49Diao100% win rate
22:57.22thulI hate addons that doesen't work
22:57.26thulI have to find a nice ui-pack :-P
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23:01.54CIA-4403profalbert 07Parrot (newCombatLog) * r77701 10Parrot/Data/CombatEvents.lua:
23:01.54CIA-44Parrot:
23:01.54CIA-44- typofix
23:04.24CIA-4403belazor 07core * r77702 10Cryolysis3/events.lua:
23:04.24CIA-44Cryolysis3:
23:04.24CIA-44- Mount button now changes texture based on [flyable] zone.
23:05.08Benihimecan someone tell me this font and which oUf it was from ? http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/639/sichosisui24ma6.jpg
23:07.32Kuosiu sure it's ouf?
23:07.33p3limBenihime: You sure its an oUF layout?
23:07.43Kuosifont seems familiar
23:07.46Kuosienigma or smt
23:07.53Kuosione of the basics from sharedmedia anyway
23:07.56p3limI cant see clearly, picture is resized too much
23:08.16Kuosiye i can't rly see the uf's
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23:08.45Kuositextures on bars are hal's atleast
23:08.52p3limYeah I can see that too
23:09.10p3limWhich one Im unsure of, but I used the same one while I was making oUF_P3lim, so its hal's
23:09.39Benihimewell think i saw that font while i was testing different oUFs
23:09.48Benihimeand it's def not basic shared media
23:10.00KuosiT or S
23:10.20Benihimethink it was lilly or something
23:10.27Benihimebut now i can't find oUf_lilly
23:11.55p3limoUF_Lily?
23:12.13Benihimey
23:12.26p3limThats the default one by haste, uses GameFontNormal (which can be defined by some other addon ofcourse)
23:12.46p3limBut that aint oUF_Lily on the picture
23:13.48sdoubleMy brother logged in today on his warlock with season 1 gear and has gained about 500 health and 10 more spell damage.
23:13.59p3limIt actually looks like the unitframes I made before oUF (custom framework)
23:14.11p3limPixelDust, check that font, might be it
23:14.14sdoubledid they make some changes?
23:14.47Benihimeit's oUF_Kosken
23:15.27p3limIts not the same fonts as in oUF_Kosken atleast
23:16.45p3limactually, looks like it was, blurry eyes + blurry picture = major fail
23:17.18Kuosiits not kosken
23:18.29Benihimeclose enough :)
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23:19.23Kuosiwhere did u pick that screen from
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23:23.53Benihimehttp://www.worldofraids.com/forums/showthread.php?p=60285#post60285
23:24.36Benihimebtw p3lim do u plan on adding some enemy indication to Target frame ?
23:26.11p3limBesides the hostile coloring on mana bar?
23:27.20Kuosishould prolly swap to ouf when i got time to conf it
23:27.34Kuosistill using ag but the auro system annoys me :(
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23:28.11Kuosijust that no ouf layout has focus target and havent rly had time to fix one myself
23:28.13p3limI plan on making a new layout, bored with the old one
23:28.41p3limKuosi: Most oUF layouts has focus frame, im pretty sure about that
23:28.45p3limAtleast mine does
23:28.50Kuosiye have focus frame
23:28.54Kuosibut no focus target
23:28.58Kuosiehm
23:29.03Kuosimy bad choice of words
23:29.12Kuosino focus fram target
23:29.32Kuosijesus cant even type anymore, focus's target :P
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23:30.13KuosiI play quite a lot of arenas where it's a great help to see who mage is casting cc/dmg on f.e
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23:45.34p3limKuosi: Its easy to add though
23:45.56Kuosiye i cant imagine it being hard
23:46.12p3limlocal focustarget oUF:Spawn("focustarget") and add a setpoint
23:46.14Kuosijust never got myself to taje the time to do it
23:46.19p3limtwo lines :p
23:47.02Zyndromederp
23:47.03Kuosigot vacation next week so should be time to rework ui a bit
23:47.55p3limatleast I think focustarget has a unitId
23:48.23Zyndromehttp://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=pub&PubId=gamecock , what an odd name...
23:48.26p3limYup, its a suffix, focustarget works
23:48.58Kuosigood to know
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23:58.13Kuosiyep wasn't too hard to add .o

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