IRC log for #wowace on 20080620

`00:00.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`well, just make a macro to equip a closetgnome set then?`
`00:01.01`	`ben__`	`When I call closetgnome to equip a set, it equips it once, and then equips it again once I drop out of combat.`
`00:01.09`	`ben__`	`This kind of fucks up if I switch to another weapon before combat ends.`
`00:01.29`	`CIA-44`	`03nevcairiel * r77111 10Bartender4/locale/ (8 files):`
`00:01.29`	`CIA-44`	`Bartender4:`
`00:01.30`	`CIA-44`	`- update babelfish script to work with embeded escape chars (\n, \t, \", etc)`
`00:01.30`	`CIA-44`	`- bar creation now takes a name to avoid translation issues`
`00:01.30`	`CIA-44`	`- re-run babelfish script - If you find missing translations, just add the L[] wrapping around it and run the babelfish script!`
`00:01.30`	`memeyou`	`how do you equip something that's already equiped?`
`00:01.37`	`ben__`	`memeyou: I mean it equips the same set again.`
`00:02.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`Gnarfoz: umm theres a newer itemrack`
`00:02.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`Arrowmaster: which doesn't have event based switching`
`00:02.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`true`
`00:02.37`	`memeyou`	`i see, missed the last part - if u unequip it requips it`
`00:02.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`oh, he wasn't actually requesting something that needs event based switching, my bad`
`00:03.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`that was just the topic in #wowuidev thus my pointing to the older version`
`00:03.24`	`CIA-44`	`03nevcairiel * r77112 10Bartender4/ (8 files): Bartender4: commit the other half of that <.<`
`00:05.23`	Funkeh`	`Snago, http://ace.pastey.net/89747`
`00:10.24`	`vithos`	Funkeh`: you said i should still be able to see the spam messages that BadBoy reports right?
`00:10.43`	Funkeh`	`not unless you enable debugging`
`00:10.49`	`vithos`	`oooh.`
`00:10.54`	`vithos`	`i'm dumb then :P`
`00:11.06`	Funkeh`	`it would be a bit pointless if you saw them`
`00:11.17`	`ben__`	`Does lua compile and cache patterns?`
`00:11.21`	Funkeh`	`and jesus I'm going to sleep for real now`
`00:11.35`	`ben__`	`ie is it faster to use string.find with the same pattern multiple times?`
`00:11.50`	Funkeh`	`no`
`00:11.52`	`vithos`	`is debug only in a branch version?`
`00:12.08`	Funkeh`	`vithos, uncomment the line ine the lua file and reload ui`
`00:12.32`	`vithos`	`thanks`
`00:15.23`	`ben__`	`Is there a more straightforward way to equip an item than PickupContainerItem and EquipCursorItem?`
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`00:17.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`!api EquipItemByName`
`00:17.47`	`lua_bot`	`Documentation for 'EquipItemByName' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/EquipItemByName`
`00:18.02`	`ben__`	`Yeah, well, I need to equip by slot.`
`00:18.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`click the link`
`00:18.35`	`ben__`	`Nothing happens.`
`00:18.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`clad\|sleep: your api page for EquipItemByName is wrong, it doesnt mention the 2nd arg for slot`
`00:19.08`	`ben__`	`By slot, I meant the bag slot.`
`00:19.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`why do you need bag slot?`
`00:19.47`	`ben__`	`... I mean, the slot within my bags that the item that is supposed to be equipped is currently occupied.`
`00:20.00`	`ben__`	`Arrowmaster: Because I am trying to equip two items that share the same name into main and offhand.`
`00:20.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`it probably won't try to equip an item you're already wearing`
`00:20.38`	`Gnarfoz`	`so just call it twice?`
`00:20.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`once with MH and once with OH slot`
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`00:21.12`	`ben__`	`Yeah. That does not work.`
`00:21.13`	`Gnarfoz`	`or at least try doing that, if it actually swaps your MH to your OH, then somebody needs a ~larting`
`00:21.23`	`ben__`	`I am not willing to wait until the client registered that the server actually let me equip the item.`
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`00:21.45`	`ben__`	`It just equips my main hand and then stops there`
`00:22.10`	`ben__`	`presumably because EquipItemByName chose the same actual item twice for two different slots and the server ignored the second one because the item was already being used`
`00:23.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`do they have the same enchants?`
`00:23.17`	`ben__`	`Currently, neither is enchanted <:)`
`00:23.24`	`ben__`	`I'm cheap! They are offspec items!`
`00:23.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`try doing /dump "itemlink" for each one and see if the itemlinks are exactly the same`
`00:23.59`	`ben__`	`Well, okay, I did not gem one of them yet :S`
`00:24.02`	`ben__`	`But that is subject to change!`
`00:24.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`not sure if using itemlinks would make it work if they have different uniqid parts of the itemlink`
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`00:25.00`	`ben__`	`The itemlinks do not fit my macro :[`
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`00:29.11`	`ben__`	`This uniq thing, does it stay unique forever?`
`00:35.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`the part of the itemlink? yeah it doesnt change`
`00:35.33`	`ben__`	`I guess that is going to be more useful once I get these enchanted with different things.`
`00:36.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`i have no clue if EquipItemByName will see them as different items`
`00:37.42`	`ben__`	`Well, I can still look them up manually then :/`
`00:38.37`	`ben__`	`I also suppose I should come up with a better configuration interface than writing item names into a macro body`
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`00:42.22`	`ben__`	`Well!`
`00:42.24`	`ben__`	`So far it works!`
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`00:46.09`	`ben__`	`EquipItemByName goes by unique id, by the way`
`00:51.43`	`breser`	`Yeah despite the name EquipItemByName will take item_strings too.`
`00:52.35`	`Primer`	`Does anyone recall Medallion of the Alliance making you immune to fear/etc for 5 seconds once you activated it?`
`00:52.52`	`ben__`	`No.`
`00:53.14`	`Primer`	`I find it highly annoying that a rogue can CC me, forcing me to pop my trinket, then CCing me again immediately afterwards`
`00:53.18`	`Primer`	`well, it once did that`
`00:53.33`	`Primer`	`but I think it was when it dispelled specific types of CC`
`00:53.41`	`ben__`	`Are you sure? I got my Insignia of the Alliance pretty soon after they were introduced and I do not recall them doing it. :/`
`00:54.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah it was alway a break i thought and never an immunity`
`00:54.20`	`Primer`	`I do recall it once did this`
`00:54.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`well it is an immunity but without a duration, that way it can always break and not be resisted like a dispell`
`00:55.10`	`Primer`	`I even remember that it'd go "immune" once I tried to re-apply fear`
`00:55.14`	`Primer`	`if I did it too soon`
`00:55.29`	`ben__`	`Are you sure you are not confusing it will Will of the Forsaken?`
`00:55.56`	`Primer`	`maybe`
`00:56.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`the immune when reapplying was probably from DR`
`00:58.13`	`Primer`	`brain fart...DR?`
`00:58.24`	`ben__`	`Diminishing returns`
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`01:02.33`	`thul`	`hmm, how is the nvidia geforce 9800 gtx 512? anyone tried it?`
`01:02.52`	`copystring`	`gts?`
`01:03.24`	`thul`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:03.35`	`copystring`	`ah k`
`01:03.41`	`copystring`	`i have the gts`
`01:03.42`	`thul`	`it is on sale, and cost about the same as the 8800 GT i was planning to get`
`01:03.58`	`thul`	`is it worth the upgrade from an 8800gt?`
`01:04.19`	`copystring`	`i think the gts is a bit faster then the gts and cheaper`
`01:04.28`	`copystring`	`then gtx sorry`
`01:04.37`	`thul`	`hmm, ok`
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`01:09.01`	`memeyou`	`depends on what ur doing, for some things it's slower`
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`01:10.26`	`ben__`	`Yay, slash command interface`
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`01:10.49`	`ben__`	`This was a moderately efficient use of a bit more than an hour`
`01:11.08`	`memeyou`	`what is?`
`01:11.56`	`copystring`	`gts is a hell of a lot cheaper tho :\`
`01:12.19`	`ben__`	`I wrote an addon that has a slash command to remember what is in my mainhand and my offhand slot either with or without a shield`
`01:12.26`	`ben__`	`and I can poke it with a macro to switch to one or the other`
`01:16.48`	`ben__`	`... except that my shield does not have a unique id? What the hell`
`01:19.35`	`DARKGuy`	`Yay?`
`01:19.48`	`DARKGuy`	`Hey, I want your addon :D`
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`01:20.46`	`Draele`	`quick question- I'm trying to move the framerate text with Visor- What's the name of the frame I need to grab? I did it several months back but forget the name of the frame.`
`01:20.49`	`Ackis`	`DARKGuy: http://ackis.myminicity.com/sec :D`
`01:21.26`	`Draele`	`It was something like FrameratetextFrame, but that's not it`
`01:21.55`	`DARKGuy`	`Ackis: there :P`
`01:21.59`	`ben__`	`Okay but seriously`
`01:22.06`	`ben__`	`why does my shield have an uniqueid of 0?`
`01:22.47`	`ben__`	`Do only drops get them?`
`01:22.54`	`memeyou`	`is it FramerateText or FramerateLabel?`
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`01:23.19`	`ben__`	`Goddamnit >:[`
`01:23.29`	`memeyou`	`I damn thee....`
`01:24.38`	`memeyou`	`i think it's the latter, drae`
`01:25.13`	`ben__`	`So what am I supposed to do now?`
`01:25.20`	`ben__`	`Hope that I will never dualwield vendor weapons?`
`01:25.20`	`ben__`	`;\|`
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`01:26.26`	`vithos`	`ben__: vendor items have itemids too i'm sure?`
`01:26.37`	`ben__`	`vithos: Not "uniqueIds"`
`01:26.50`	`ben__`	`Neither my SSO shield nor my SSO necklaces nor my sporeggar shield have one (besides 0)`
`01:27.21`	`ben__`	`I guess I am just going to store itemId .."/".. uniqueId`
`01:27.22`	`ben__`	`:/`
`01:27.56`	`p3lim\|away`	`anyone here good on hooks?`
`01:28.01`	`DARKGuy`	`Just use a name?`
`01:28.17`	`vithos`	`what is a uniqueid?`
`01:28.52`	`p3lim\|away`	`I need to hook a OnEnter script to add in a argument to it, how do I do that?`
`01:29.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`ben__: youll want to store the entire itemlink probably`
`01:29.32`	`ben__`	`DARKGuy: That is how the problem started. I have two Breeching Comets and want to equip them both on the touch of a button`
`01:29.49`	`ben__`	`Arrowmaster: I figure it is easier if I do not have to reassign the items when I change the gems or enchants`
`01:30.04`	`ben__`	`I just hope I am not going to have two vendor bought items`
`01:30.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`ben__: then atleast store the suffix too`
`01:30.09`	`ben__`	`of the same type`
`01:30.18`	`ben__`	`Oh, right. :\|`
`01:30.31`	`DARKGuy`	`xD`
`01:30.39`	`DARKGuy`	`Waht if you have two Swiftsteel Bludgeons ?`
`01:31.00`	`ben__`	`That is a drop, that has a unique id!`
`01:31.21`	`DARKGuy`	`d'oh, my bad`
`01:31.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`some things have uniqids some dont`
`01:31.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`most all raid drops do`
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`01:31.41`	`vithos`	`what's the API to get the uniqueid?`
`01:31.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`all crafted items do`
`01:31.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`its part of the itemlink`
`01:31.55`	`vithos`	`ah`
`01:31.58`	`ben__`	`vithos: Get the item link, grep for :-?\d+\|`
`01:33.53`	`digmouse`	`LF a rogue alt name`
`01:34.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`:%-?%d+\|`
`01:34.38`	`Draele`	`thanks meme`
`01:34.39`	`ben__`	`- is magical too? goddamnit`
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`01:40.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`well it is inside []'s`
`01:40.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`its safer to just always escape it`
`01:47.04`	`elite3vil`	`Is there a mod that'll throw a skull or something on whoever is targeted with Encapsulate on Felmyst?`
`01:47.18`	`elite3vil`	`*addon`
`01:47.52`	`memeyou`	`what is encapsulate on felmyst?`
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`01:49.48`	`elite3vil`	`Encapsulate (Arcane)`
`01:49.48`	`elite3vil`	`This ability has a 25-30 second cooldown. Felmyst will turn and Encapsulate anyone in the raid for 6 seconds, placing a pink glowing sphere around them, and dealing 3500 damage every 2 seconds to that person, and everyone in a 20 yard range of them. The Encapsulate itself cannot be out ranged, and only Iceblock, Cloak of Shadows and Divine Shield remove it. During the spell, Felmyst channels a pink beam at the target.`
`01:49.48`	`CrazyBenny\|`	`<elite3vil> bigwigs maybe?`
`01:50.05`	`elite3vil`	`I'm using DBM, it doesn't have a setting for it.. do you know if bigwigs does?`
`01:51.03`	`CrazyBenny\|`	`yea, just checked in bigwigs, it throws the icon`
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`01:56.51`	`CIA-44`	`03daviesh * r77113 10AtlasLoot/Core/AtlasLoot.lua:`
`01:56.51`	`CIA-44`	`AtlasLoot:`
`01:56.51`	`CIA-44`	`- Bugfix for searching and the wishlist`
`01:57.02`	`elite3vil`	`k, thanks. I had our MT turn his bigwigs announce on. =P`
`01:57.14`	`CIA-44`	`03broliant * r77114 10FuBar_ConvergeFu/ (4 files): FuBar_ConvergeFu: Added crowd-control tool and reorganised the tools menu.`
`01:58.04`	`p3lim\|away`	`I need to hook a script, anyone that can help me?`
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`02:00.20`	`CIA-44`	`03chuanhsing * r77115 10RBM/ (7 files in 6 dirs): RBM: add zhTW locale (thanks to s8095324)`
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`02:02.23`	`CIA-44`	`03chuanhsing * r77116 10RBM_BadgeWatch/BadgeWatch.lua: RBM_BadgeWatch: add zhTW locale (thanks to s8095324)`
`02:04.35`	`CIA-44`	`03chuanhsing * r77117 10RBM_BlackTemple/locales/ (locales.xml zhTW.lua): RBM_BlackTemple: add zhTW locale`
`02:05.52`	`CIA-44`	`03LordFarlander * r77118 10MiniPet/MiniPet.lua:`
`02:05.52`	`CIA-44`	`MiniPet:`
`02:05.52`	`CIA-44`	`- Will now update when button is hidden`
`02:06.14`	`CIA-44`	`03chuanhsing * r77119 10RBM_DrumWatch/DrumWatch.lua: RBM_DrumWatch: add zhTW locale`
`02:06.27`	`CIA-44`	`03LordFarlander * r77120 10Mount/Mount.lua:`
`02:06.27`	`CIA-44`	`Mount:`
`02:06.27`	`CIA-44`	`- Will now update when button is hidden`
`02:06.28`	`pasmero`	`gn8`
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`02:07.21`	`CIA-44`	`03LordFarlander * r77121 10MiniPet/MiniPet.lua:`
`02:07.21`	`CIA-44`	`MiniPet:`
`02:07.21`	`CIA-44`	`- Will now update when button is hidden for real`
`02:07.53`	`CIA-44`	`03chuanhsing * r77122 10RBM_Gruuls/locales/ (locales.xml zhTW.lua): RBM_Gruuls: add zhTW locale`
`02:10.04`	`p3lim\|away`	`is there a way to force a script to run?`
`02:10.11`	`p3lim\|away`	`like my OnEnter script`
`02:10.29`	`Yssaril`	`p3lim\|away: just call the function?`
`02:11.11`	`p3lim\|away`	`thing is, the script is not a global`
`02:11.20`	`p3lim\|away`	`(im calling it from another addon)`
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`02:13.00`	`Yssaril`	`hmmm no idea then`
`02:14.06`	`p3lim\|away`	`hm`
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`02:15.30`	`Civrock_`	`Can anybody help me out with various memory allocation errors? http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14020.0`
`02:15.44`	`aestil`	`what is a core 2 duo 3000?`
`02:18.44`	`ulic`	`aestil: I'd say it's 2 3ghz cpus`
`02:19.23`	VonhintenHOME`	`2 cores`
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`02:20.22`	`ulic`	`yea, one physical unit with basically 2 processors inside, the OS will see to cpus.`
`02:21.21`	`aestil`	`turns out its an E8400`
`02:21.26`	`CIA-44`	`03cwdg * r77123 10ButtonFacade_Vol/ (11 files in 2 dirs):`
`02:21.26`	`CIA-44`	`ButtonFacade_Vol:`
`02:21.26`	`CIA-44`	`-Add Vol skins for ButtonFacade`
`02:22.50`	`ulic`	`hmm, that doesn't mean anything to me, but I haven't kept up on my hardware knowledge lately.`
`02:25.01`	`vithos`	`the E8400 is pretty much the sweet spot of midrange price/performance from intel, but of course that's just my opinion`
`02:25.11`	`vithos`	`i've been researching hardware for a friend lately`
`02:25.33`	`vithos`	`i do wonder how well WoW utilizes quad core though`
`02:26.37`	`DARKGuy`	`AFAIK, it only uses 2 cores :(`
`02:26.51`	`vithos`	`shitty.`
`02:27.05`	`vithos`	`that's what i've heard before too`
`02:27.20`	`vithos`	`1 core for sound and everything else on the rest`
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`02:30.01`	`digmouse`	`my 975X cant support Penryn T.T`
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`02:36.18`	`CIA-44`	`03daviesh * r77124 10AtlasLoot/ (3 files in 2 dirs):`
`02:36.19`	`CIA-44`	`AtlasLoot:`
`02:36.19`	`CIA-44`	`- Fixed remaining Quicklooks bugs, added support to the loot browser and Alphamap, added tooltips to the Quicklook buttons.`
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`02:38.57`	`CIA-44`	`03daviesh * r77125 10AtlasLoot/Documentation/Release Notes.txt:`
`02:38.57`	`CIA-44`	`AtlasLoot:`
`02:38.58`	`CIA-44`	`- Updated documentation`
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`02:47.08`	`CIA-44`	`03cwdg * r77126 10ButtonFacade_VolGlod/ (12 files in 2 dirs):`
`02:47.08`	`CIA-44`	`ButtonFacade_VolGlod:`
`02:47.08`	`CIA-44`	`--Add VolGlod skins for ButtonFacade`
`02:47.39`	`Dark_Elf`	`glod?`
`02:47.50`	`Dark_Elf`	`shouldnt that be gold`
`02:50.04`	`ulic`	`I'm gonna get my fiance a glod engagement ring, save a little cash`
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`02:54.59`	`icemoon`	`maybe its gold border for button`
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`03:01.40`	`CIA-44`	`03cwdg * r77127 10ButtonFacade_VolM/ (11 files in 2 dirs):`
`03:01.40`	`CIA-44`	`ButtonFacade_VolM:`
`03:01.40`	`CIA-44`	`Add VolM skins for ButtonFacade`
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`03:03.24`	`Dark_Elf`	`i thought they were added but got renamed cause original author wanted the names or something`
`03:04.03`	`Dark_Elf`	`oh well guess it dont matter`
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`03:17.38`	`vithos`	`yeah, that's correct`
`03:17.52`	`vithos`	`also there's no need for the matte version, since gloss is controllable`
`03:18.16`	`vithos`	`nor is there any need for different colors, since colors can be changed for each layer too right?`
`03:26.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`so delete them from the svn then`
`03:26.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`and bitch at the damn asians`
`03:27.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`do those really already exist under different names?`
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`03:40.34`	`CIA-44`	`03cwdg * r77128 10/trunk/ (ButtonFacade_VolGlod/ ButtonFacade_VolGold/):`
`03:40.34`	`CIA-44`	`ButtonFacade_VolGlod:`
`03:40.34`	`CIA-44`	`-rename ButtonFacade_VolGlod`
`03:41.46`	`Dark_Elf`	`hehe i knew it was gold, wipes the sweat from my brow lol`
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`03:53.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`Dark_Elf: were those names suppost to be reserved?`
`03:54.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`in the middle of a raid so cant really look through a long ass thread`
`03:54.25`	`Dark_Elf`	`i dunno i just saw one by storm`
`03:54.41`	`Dark_Elf`	`and storm renamed some`
`03:58.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`i see a post about it`
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`04:05.36`	`digmouse`	`is it able to get a spell's id by its name? I dont find such an API`
`04:15.21`	`breser`	`Not really.`
`04:15.55`	`memeyou`	`debug combat log?`
`04:16.15`	`memeyou`	`thats where i get my spell ids`
`04:17.04`	`CIA-44`	`03LordFarlander * r77129 10MiniPet/MiniPet.lua:`
`04:17.04`	`CIA-44`	`MiniPet:`
`04:17.04`	`CIA-44`	`- Missed a change from char to profile :(`
`04:20.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`00:16:39 Big Wigs: Raineroct, Maiev Shadowsong has Agonizing Flames!`
`04:20.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`i loled`
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`04:29.45`	`CIA-44`	`03arrowmaster * r77130 10/trunk/ (ButtonFacade_Vol/ ButtonFacade_VolGold/ ButtonFacade_VolM/): .ButtonFacade_Vol*: the Vol namespace is reserved for Zeal, the original author, and skins based on the original already exist for ButtonFacde. Please see http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=13279 for more info.`
`04:30.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`there`
`04:30.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`stupid translators`
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`05:04.08`	`Nefarion`	`ckknight: You there?`
`05:05.16`	`Nefarion`	`ckknight: Nevermind, I'll Jira it.`
`05:08.21`	`breser`	`Nefarion: Just curious what are you looking for ck for?`
`05:08.33`	`Nefarion`	`DogTag bug`
`05:08.43`	`breser`	`Ahh`
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`05:11.18`	`CIA-44`	`03odlaw * r77131 10BangItHarder/ (. BangItHarder.lua BangItHarder.toc embeds.xml): BangItHarder: Going to use LibBars for awhile to see how it goes.`
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`05:38.49`	`breser`	`:q`
`05:38.54`	`breser`	`ww`
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`06:04.52`	`Ackis`	`26% on KJ`
`06:04.55`	`Ackis`	`fuck`
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`06:11.54`	`Elkano`	`Ackis, you are still not prepared ;)`
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`06:24.40`	`CIA-44`	`03Kriery 07Kriery * r77132 10IceHUD/:`
`06:24.40`	`CIA-44`	`IceHUD:`
`06:24.40`	`CIA-44`	`- made a new branch to fix some locale problems`
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`06:26.05`	`NeoTron`	`Twins => /dead`
`06:29.03`	`NeoTron`	`holy trash`
`06:29.33`	`NeoTron`	`on the 2xpriestess of torment pull`
`06:29.37`	`NeoTron`	`ouch`
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`06:31.51`	`CIA-44`	`03Kriery 07Kriery * r77133 10IceHUD/IceHud/:`
`06:31.51`	`CIA-44`	`IceHUD:`
`06:31.51`	`CIA-44`	`- made a new branch to fix some locale problems`
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`06:50.35`	`BEEEES`	`Can I make money on google adsence by putting it on my website and then clicking it over and over again using proxies`
`06:51.17`	`Aiiane`	`you better have a lot of free time on your hands, and a lot of proxies`
`06:51.48`	`Aiiane`	`the per-click rate on the ads served to little-known sites is miniscule`
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`06:55.40`	`Elkano`	`do you really think that googl can be exploited that easy and that you would be the first person having that idea?`
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`06:57.27`	`Elkano`	`btw: Why do mathematics and computer scientists often mix up Halloween and Christmas?`
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`06:58.01`	`BEEEES`	`please tell me how cause my grandma is dying and she said I have to fraud google adsense to make up enough money for her cancer surgury`
`06:58.43`	`isman`	`rest in peace :(`
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`07:01.17`	`Elkano`	`wrt my question: oct 31 = dec 25`
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`07:01.35`	`Elkano`	`wrt granny... you still have two kidneys ;)`
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`07:02.22`	`durcyn`	`did you seriously just make an octal joke`
`07:02.54`	`Elkano`	`me and serious?`
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`07:10.27`	`Snago`	Funkeh`: http://ace.pastey.net/89747 <-- That's irrelevant. You're showing the differance between a local and a global.
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`07:11.26`	`Snago`	`We were talking about a local vs function() end directly`
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`07:13.51`	`Snago`	`And it wasn't about calling this function alot of times. We're sending this function to SetScript, so SetScript will save the function reference in the same way no matter what.`
`07:14.47`	`Elkano`	`well the time difference most likely comes from the table lookup`
`07:15.12`	`Elkano`	`but I haven't seen the initial discussion, so what was this about?`
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`07:18.40`	`Snago`	`Elkano: frame:SetScript("OnEvent", forward) with forward being a local function VS frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function(...) stuff() end)`
`07:19.28`	`Snago`	Funkeh` said in the latter case the OnEvent function would be treated as a global and called as a global everytime it would get an event.
`07:19.53`	`Xinhuan`	`he's wrong :)`
`07:20.07`	`Xinhuan`	`because if you change "forward = someotherfunction"`
`07:20.21`	`Xinhuan`	`that doesn't change the original forward being set in the setscript`
`07:20.34`	`Snago`	`Xinhuan: exactly`
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`07:22.07`	`Elkano`	`call-by-value vs call-by-reference?`
`07:22.27`	`Pkekyo\|`	`where should I go level my shammy at lvl 31?`
`07:22.53`	`Elkano`	`A? H?`
`07:23.19`	`[Ammo]`	`STV`
`07:23.19`	`Xinhuan`	`both are called by reference as far as i can see`
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`07:23.21`	`[Ammo]`	`pewpew`
`07:23.29`	`Pkekyo\|`	`H`
`07:23.40`	`Elkano`	`STV/ 1k needles?`
`07:23.50`	`Xinhuan`	`STV or thousand needles.. i'll say both in fact`
`07:24.02`	`Pkekyo\|`	`which one's better? (pvp server)`
`07:24.06`	`Xinhuan`	`and alterac hills`
`07:24.13`	`Xinhuan`	`1000 needles has less pvp`
`07:24.14`	`[Ammo]`	`Pkekyo\|: STV is best!`
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`07:24.21`	`Pkekyo\|`	`and why the hell am I in gadgetzan? :p`
`07:24.27`	`Xinhuan`	`as for which is best, it would depend on how you view pvp :)`
`07:24.54`	`Pkekyo\|`	`my view is that ganking != pvp`
`07:25.09`	`Elkano`	`Xinhuan, does lua handle functions like strings meaning only keep one copy per function?`
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`07:25.11`	`sica`	`ganking is the fun part of pvp ;)`
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`07:25.28`	`Elkano`	`sica, only if I gank you ;)`
`07:25.31`	`Xinhuan`	`nope, it handles it like tables`
`07:25.34`	`Snago`	`local function forward() stuff() end is the same as local forward = function() stuff() end`
`07:25.47`	`Xinhuan`	`every { } is a new table and every function() end is a new function`
`07:26.24`	`Xinhuan`	`a variable holding a table or a function, is really just a 4 byte memory address reference to it`
`07:27.01`	`Pkekyo\|`	`sica: you're a complete tits-up retard in my book then :)`
`07:27.03`	`Elkano`	`in that case I think it's call-by-value then and doesn't matter since SetScript will most likely see a new function object in both cases`
`07:27.29`	`Elkano`	`is SetScript even done in lua or is there C involved directly?`
`07:27.38`	`Xinhuan`	`frame:SetScript("OnEvent", forward) <-- a 4 byte memory address is passed in`
`07:27.57`	`Pkekyo\|`	`but hell...if oneshotting people with rank 4 frostbolts or whatnot makes you feel less insecure about the size of your penis, I guess it's ok....`
`07:27.57`	`Xinhuan`	`frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function(...) stuff() end) <--- a new function is compiled, and the 4 byte memory address is passed in`
`07:28.14`	`Snago`	`SetScript will get a reference to a function in either case, and will do exactly the same in both cases`
`07:29.25`	`Elkano`	`at least as long as there is no special treatment based on memory positions`
`07:29.30`	`Xinhuan`	`the difference is thus... 4 bytes for that variable.. and if that 4 bytes is a local variable in a function, then its really on the stack space and is free`
`07:30.06`	`Snago`	Now I'll just have to keep Funkeh` pinged until he admits I was right ;D
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`07:31.07`	`Elkano`	`yeah, for the events it shouldn't make a difference since in both cases the memory address is directly available and hasn't to be looked up in global space`
`07:31.15`	`Pkekyo\|`	`wtf, blizz gave instant ghostwolf back? :D`
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`07:35.59`	`BEEEES`	`If I had a program that would empty my bowels on girls that pass me by, I would release the source code. <3`
`07:36.15`	`Pkekyo\|`	`bitter much? :p`
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`07:40.11`	`NeoTron`	`so turns out the m'uru trash wasn't bad at all`
`07:40.24`	`NeoTron`	`just took a few mihuts to figure out a pull`
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`07:43.09`	`Eihrister`	`Pkekyo\|: what? instant ghost wolf? awesome!`
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`07:45.57`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Eihrister: indeed...logged onto my shammy for the first time in six months...instant GW :D`
`07:46.19`	`Eihrister`	`haha my shammy hasn't been logged into for ages either`
`07:46.45`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I just got the new incentive to resume leveling him :p`
`07:46.51`	`Pkekyo\|`	`also: next patch = mounts at lvl 30 methinks`
`07:47.15`	`NeoTron`	`yep`
`07:47.54`	`Pkekyo\|`	`awsum ^^`
`07:48.04`	`NeoTron`	`so I wonder if it's LibBars that's weird but Magic Target bars remain when you hide the UI`
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`07:48.30`	`NeoTron`	`had to kick a member from the raid because he kept targeting a mob for out twins killshot :P`
`07:49.06`	`Pkekyo\|`	`lopsilols`
`07:53.28`	`NeoTron`	`have to fire the author`
`07:55.35`	`Pkekyo\|`	`cute...five lvl 70 allies to kill one lvl 31`
`08:00.37`	`NeoTron`	`still so fricking glad to got twins down`
`08:00.50`	`NeoTron`	`I think it's the fight we had the most wipes, at least including stage 1- the ledge boss`
`08:02.31`	`breser`	`NeoTron: That bad ehh?`
`08:02.44`	`NeoTron`	`yeah`
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`08:05.00`	`NeoTron`	`guess only 108 wipes`
`08:06.57`	`Primer`	`!rating 1519`
`08:06.57`	`Xinhuan`	`1519 rating gives 365(5s), 321(3s) and 277(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)`
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`08:17.25`	`CIA-44`	`03neotron * r77134 10LibBars-1.0/LibBars-1.0/LibBars-1.0.lua: LibBars-1.0: Make UIParent the parent of the bar group (otherwise bars remain despite the UI being hidden with Alt-Z).`
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`08:26.47`	`CIA-44`	`03pettigrow * r77135 10Bartender4/locale/ (FAQ.lua frFR.lua): Bartender4: frFR Update`
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`08:32.43`	`CIA-44`	`03nikkodemus * r77136 10BuffEnough/Config.lua:`
`08:32.43`	`CIA-44`	`BuffEnough:`
`08:32.43`	`CIA-44`	`- run a new check when profile is changed`
`08:35.21`	`clad\|sleep`	`Arrowmaster: so fix it, or give me a chance to fix it. We never said everything was 100% accurate, just that we tried to get every single function could done as best as we could given the time crunch.`
`08:35.22`	`clad\|sleep`	`thanks.`
`08:35.36`	`cladhaire`	`Arrowmaster: but you can edit the pages to update it as well, when you see issues`
`08:35.40`	`cladhaire`	`if you're so inclined`
`08:35.45`	`cladhaire`	`otherwise, posting on the forums is the best bet`
`08:35.51`	`cladhaire`	`to make sure i see it`
`08:36.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`k`
`08:38.07`	`[Ammo]`	`cladhaire: the book is awesome`
`08:38.12`	`[Ammo]`	`I got my package yesterday :)`
`08:38.13`	`cladhaire`	`glad you're enjoying it!`
`08:38.15`	`cladhaire`	`yay!`
`08:39.27`	`NeoTron`	`hmm doh. making libbars use UIParent as parent makes the bars take scalig into account`
`08:39.30`	`NeoTron`	`hmm`
`08:39.36`	`NeoTron`	`not a bad thing really but still`
`08:39.38`	`[Ammo]`	`as they should`
`08:39.40`	`[Ammo]`	`imho`
`08:41.12`	`NeoTron`	`right`
`08:41.20`	`NeoTron`	`it was clearly a bug`
`08:41.33`	`NeoTron`	`but it's backwards incompatible per se. Ah well who cares >:)`
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`08:41.38`	`NeoTron`	`adds scale to Magic Targets.`
`08:42.48`	`breser`	`Reminds me I need to fix another scaling bug I found in EnhToolTip /sigh`
`08:46.12`	`CIA-44`	`03neotron * r77137 10MagicTargets/MagicTargets.lua:`
`08:46.12`	`CIA-44`	`MagicTargets:`
`08:46.12`	`CIA-44`	`- Added setting to limit the number of bars to show.`
`08:46.12`	`CIA-44`	`- Added a scale option to resize the bars as a whole.`
`08:46.12`	`CIA-44`	`- Added option to ignore non-elite mobs.`
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`08:54.43`	`Gibbonz\|Work`	`hmm, so will that mean travel form for druids at 20? :P`
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`08:57.30`	`SunTsu`	`Gibbonz\|Work: Doesn#t look like it`
`08:58.05`	`SunTsu`	`Gibbonz\|Work: And there really is no need, travel form is better than a mount in so many situations`
`08:58.38`	`Gibbonz\|Work`	`for fleeing from mobs you dont want to fight, i agree`
`08:59.50`	`SunTsu`	`And short distances, where you lose too much time from getting onto the mount`
`09:00.12`	`Gibbonz\|Work`	`yeah, and lets not forget its usefulness in pvp :)`
`09:00.59`	`Gibbonz\|Work`	`but still.. some the 'magic' for druids is gonna be killed by that change`
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`09:02.28`	`SunTsu`	`Gibbonz\|Work: Magic that lasts 10 levels, which at the current level rate is half a day g`
`09:02.54`	`Gibbonz\|Work`	`hehe`
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`09:05.53`	`Gibbonz\|Work`	`at least we'll still have our 68 flight form :)`
`09:06.38`	`[Ammo]`	`it doesn't matter what you have during levelling`
`09:07.18`	`SunTsu`	`not to forget, that we are the only ones with an epic flight (form) obtainable by a quest`
`09:07.18`	`[Ammo]`	`5k fee still stands :p`
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`09:07.18`	`SunTsu`	`[Ammo]: Right, but giving the current amount you can get by doing dailies...`
`09:07.31`	`[Ammo]`	`flight form is cool due to being instant`
`09:07.36`	`SunTsu`	`s/giving/given/`
`09:07.38`	`[Ammo]`	`but that's where the advantage ends :)`
`09:08.14`	`SunTsu`	`[Ammo]: right, but it's a huge advantage. Druids can get into flight form while falling`
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`09:09.40`	`odt`	`i have 3 lvl70s and 2 lvl 60s from before tbc... and thinking bout leveling my 34 druid before woltk`
`09:11.36`	`Gibbonz\|Work`	`SunTsu: as long as we're not in combat, of course ;)`
`09:11.57`	`SunTsu`	`I'll have my 5th lvl 70 today and the third one with epic flying mount, and it didn#t cost sweat to get the gold for it, I had to get excalted with SSO for three chars anyway`
`09:12.24`	`SunTsu`	`Gibbonz\|Work: Yeah, but most of the time you are. Like the dragons in Blade edge or the race on nether wing`
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`09:15.32`	`Pkekyo\|`	`what does 'Set Main' in the right-click player name menu? :/`
`09:15.53`	`Tehpurger`	`on what?`
`09:15.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Player vs. Player`
`09:15.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Reset all instances`
`09:15.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Set Main`
`09:15.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Cancel`
`09:15.56`	`SunTsu`	`Pkekyo\|: Links alts to mains`
`09:16.01`	`odt`	`i think it's a chatter option`
`09:16.10`	`Pkekyo\|`	`SunTsu: how, exactly?`
`09:16.12`	`SunTsu`	`Pkekyo\|: Chatter or Prat installed?`
`09:16.23`	`Pkekyo\|`	`chatter`
`09:16.49`	`SunTsu`	`Pkekyo\|: A Chatter internal database which will show you which mains an alt belongs to when he is writing`
`09:17.20`	`Pkekyo\|`	`so I can do it to other people's char as well?`
`09:17.36`	`SunTsu`	`Pkekyo\|: Yes, that's the main reason for it`
`09:17.48`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ooh`
`09:17.50`	`Pkekyo\|`	`shiny`
`09:18.16`	`SunTsu`	`Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any way besides grep to search through that database like I can in Prat`
`09:18.18`	`odt`	`everyone should know the alts and mains of their 500 guildmates by heart imho`
`09:18.56`	`Pkekyo\|`	`thought it was a new blizz addition`
`09:19.03`	`Gibbonz\|Work`	`i use the recently added notes feature if they're on my friends list`
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`09:19.24`	`SunTsu`	`odt: So, you too have guildmates horradin, horradîn and hôrradin belonging to different persons, like I do? ;)`
`09:19.55`	`Gibbonz\|Work`	`but yeah, if the name is really similar theres no need :)`
`09:20.25`	`mjc`	`is the tattle dataminer busted?`
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`09:21.37`	`NM\|Xinhuan`	`people stopped using tattle (discontinued) when you could arena inspect ppl's spec directly`
`09:21.41`	`Gibbonz\|Work`	`haha misread you.. thankfully I dont have that situation to contend with yet`
`09:21.56`	`mjc`	`ah`
`09:22.17`	`mjc`	`Xinhuan: bleh`
`09:22.39`	`mjc`	`Xinhuan: can you do that mid-fight though? :P`
`09:22.47`	`Xinhuan`	`can't do it anymore`
`09:22.53`	`mjc`	`I should probably fix it then`
`09:22.57`	`Xinhuan`	`you still can inspect them if you manually type /ins`
`09:23.02`	`Xinhuan`	`apparently`
`09:23.14`	`mjc`	`maybe make tattle collect specs`
`09:26.46`	`odt`	`SunTsu: yeah, we had people name their alts after some other's mains`
`09:26.55`	`odt`	`and then start raiding with those alts too`
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`09:36.03`	`CIA-44`	`03Tunga * r77138 10BuffBot/BuffBot.lua:`
`09:36.04`	`CIA-44`	`BuffBot:`
`09:36.04`	`CIA-44`	`*Fixed event tracking and added event for (re)load.`
`09:36.04`	`CIA-44`	`*Added basic shift+click to report functionality.`
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`09:57.42`	`cncfanatics`	`yo ppl`
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`10:12.01`	`CIA-44`	`03pettigrow * r77139 10kgPanels/kgPanels.lua: kgPanels: fix frFR`
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`10:15.42`	`Pkekyo\|`	`fucking retards've been corpsecamping me for 40 minutes...I fucking hate 14 year-olds sitting around fapping to their female nelfs`
`10:15.53`	`thul`	`Pkekyo\|: server? :-P`
`10:15.57`	`thul`	`I SHALL TRANSFER AND HALP!@`
`10:16.44`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Bloodfeather EU`
`10:16.51`	`Pkekyo\|`	`don't -ever- transfer here, it's shite`
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`10:34.28`	`cncfanatics`	`Pkekyo\|: you come to kazzak`
`10:34.55`	`[Ammo]`	`yeah come to kazzak so I can gank you and camp you and fap on your dead skull`
`10:36.23`	`Pkekyo\|`	`cncfanatics: can't afford to transfer :p`
`10:37.07`	Funkeh`	`Snago, and I quote exactly, 'When using events that could potntially triggers a lot you should use a local function' to which you replied it was no more optimal`
`10:37.58`	`CIA-44`	`037destiny * r77140 10GridStatusRaidDebuff/GridStatusRaidDebuff.lua:`
`10:37.58`	`CIA-44`	`GridStatusRaidDebuff:`
`10:37.58`	`CIA-44`	`- Azgalor: typo fix`
`10:37.58`	`CIA-44`	`- Azgalor: Added Howl of Azgalor`
`10:37.59`	`CIA-44`	`- Added Hyjal Summit boss some spell duration`
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`10:40.17`	`cncfanatics`	`Pkekyo\|: you horde ?`
`10:42.21`	Funkeh`	`Snago, my pastey is wrrong there even, that what you get when you code tired`
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`10:47.57`	`Pkekyo\|`	`cncfanatics: aye`
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`10:48.27`	`cncfanatics`	`Pkekyo\|: if you corpsecamp ammo with me for a few hours I'll pay your transfer (a)`
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`10:51.33`	`Snago`	Funkeh`: frame:SetScript("OnEvent", globalFunction) is only one global lookup (once) slower than frame:SetScript("OnEvent", localFunction).
`10:52.35`	Funkeh`	`actualy they are both global lookups`
`10:53.25`	Funkeh`	`since you're running frame.fnc whether the func is local or not`
`10:53.38`	`Snago`	`no, there's no global lookup in the latter if both frame and localFunciton are local references`
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`10:54.28`	`Snago`	`write the code and check the luac output`
`10:54.58`	Funkeh`	`it's in the pastey`
`10:55.06`	Funkeh`	`global.func = func end`
`10:55.15`	Funkeh`	`global.func2 = local func`
`10:55.57`	Funkeh`	`tje differende is about 1ms`
`10:56.36`	`Snago`	`yes, global lookup is slower than local.. but that's not what we're talking about`
`10:56.47`	Funkeh`	`yes it was`
`10:56.57`	`Snago`	`There's no global lookup in frame:SetScript("OnEvent", localFunction)`
`10:57.05`	Funkeh`	`dude...`
`10:57.11`	Funkeh`	`there is always a global lookup`
`10:57.15`	Funkeh`	`the frame lookup`
`10:57.19`	`Snago`	`or in frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function() end) for that matter`
`10:57.24`	`Snago`	`not if frame is a local`
`10:57.54`	Funkeh`	`how can the frame be local, you're telling wow to run the function when X hapens`
`10:58.08`	`Snago`	`local frame = CreateFrame("Frame")`
`10:58.16`	Funkeh`	`sigh`
`10:58.23`	Funkeh`	`that maks a global frame`
`10:58.42`	`Snago`	`There's no reference to that frame in _G`
`10:58.59`	Funkeh`	`yes there is`
`10:59.08`	Funkeh`	`how do you think wow executes it`
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`10:59.28`	`Snago`	`It gets called from C code`
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`10:59.44`	Funkeh`	`which is global away from lua`
`10:59.50`	Nargiddley`	`are you really calling :SetScript often enough for this to matter ?`
`11:00.14`	Funkeh`	`probably not no, bu thats not the point`
`11:00.14`	`Snago`	Nargiddley`: the issue is that Funkeh` says it matters AFTER the SetScript call
`11:00.38`	`Nargiddley`	`scope of the function should make 0 difference`
`11:00.41`	Funkeh`	`no why do you keep changing the issue`
`11:00.54`	`Nargiddley`	`scope of the frame should make 0 difference`
`11:00.55`	Funkeh`	`the issue is that you're rong about it not being more optimal`
`11:01.06`	Funkeh`	`and you change the debate to suit yor needs`
`11:01.58`	`Snago`	Funkeh`: no, it was you who changed the issue from local referece vs function() end directly to local vs global
`11:02.08`	Funkeh`	`can we finish this and just agree local func end setscript func is better than setscript func end`
`11:02.13`	Funkeh`	`you're boring me`
`11:02.34`	`Snago`	`fine`
`11:02.50`	`Snago`	`but you were still wrong :P`
`11:03.01`	Funkeh`	`about the global lookup, ok`
`11:03.13`	`Nargiddley`	`I'm still totally lost as to what the actual issue is`
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`11:06.11`	`Snago`	I think both me and Funkeh` really wanted to sleep last night but we couldn't http://xkcd.com/386/ :P
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`11:06.50`	Funkeh`	`rofl`
`11:07.36`	`Pkekyo\|`	`cncfanatics: corpsecamp [Ammo] as prot? :p`
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`11:10.39`	`Pkekyo\|`	`hmm... does this crappy irc client abbreviate multiple spaces ?`
`11:10.42`	`Pkekyo\|`	`yeah :<`
`11:11.20`	`Bruners`	`never tried the opera client`
`11:11.33`	`Pkekyo\|`	`it's decent`
`11:11.37`	`Drundia`	`"local function foo() end; frame:SetScript("script",foo)" and "frame:SetScript("script", function() end)" have 2 differences: 1st eats extra memory and internally names function`
`11:11.38`	`Pkekyo\|`	`just lacks configuration options`
`11:11.41`	`Lukian`	`Pkekyo\|, it doesn't from our point of view`
`11:11.58`	`Pkekyo\|`	`it doesn't? so ascii is a go? :p`
`11:12.06`	`Lukian`	`yup go for it`
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`11:12.31`	`Vulcanus`	`fale`
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`11:12.33`	`Vulcanus`	`f`
`11:12.34`	`Vulcanus`	`sdf`
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`11:12.36`	`Vulcanus`	`sdf`
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`11:12.38`	`Vulcanus`	`sdf`
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`11:12.41`	`Vulcanus`	`kek`
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`11:12.43`	`Vulcanus`	`bur`
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`11:12.47`	`Nargiddley`	`first one doesn't eat memory at all, unless you mean the 4 byte local ?`
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`11:12.50`	`Vulcanus`	`in ur irc breakin ur art`
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`11:12.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`did it work? :p`
`11:12.56`	`Lukian`	`the opera client buffers outbound? nice`
`11:12.57`	`Pkekyo\|`	`no? :<`
`11:13.04`	`Bruners`	`it worked here`
`11:13.07`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Lukian: wth does that mean? :p`
`11:13.11`	`Drundia`	`Nargiddley, yes 4-byte local`
`11:13.12`	`Bruners`	`except for Vulcanus spamming`
`11:13.17`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Bruners: what does it look like?`
`11:13.22`	`Lukian`	`Pkekyo\|, it came through slowly and the bots didn't kick you for flooding`
`11:13.26`	`Nargiddley`	`Drundia, thats nothing`
`11:13.27`	`Bruners`	`a big O ?`
`11:13.35`	`Pkekyo\|`	`cool :D`
`11:13.36`	`SunTsu`	`Pkekyo\|: Like the upper part of a ribbon`
`11:13.40`	`Pkekyo\|`	`brb, getting some more ascii`
`11:13.46`	`Pkekyo\|`	`it's the aperture science logo`
`11:13.51`	`Nargiddley`	`Drundia, compared to the closure the 2nd creates each time its called rather than once for the 1st`
`11:14.06`	`Drundia`	`if you spam it yes`
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`11:14.15`	`Drundia`	`if you need one frame it's better`
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`11:14.41`	`SunTsu`	`Playtime over? ;)`
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`11:14.46`	`Pkekyo\|`	`:P`
`11:14.53`	`Lukian`	`yeah you probably should test in another channel :p`
`11:14.56`	`Pkekyo\|`	`reckon I was pushing it a bit :p`
`11:14.58`	`Bruners`	`that last one didnt work Pkekyo\|`
`11:15.04`	`Lukian`	`worked here`
`11:15.05`	`Pkekyo\|`	`aw fucksake`
`11:15.21`	`Pkekyo\|`	`:p`
`11:15.28`	`SunTsu`	`Yeah, it looks like it was cancelled`
`11:15.36`	`Lukian`	`duh.. he was kicked :p`
`11:15.41`	`Pkekyo\|`	`most likely due to me getting booted?`
`11:15.41`	`Pkekyo\|`	`x)`
`11:16.05`	`SunTsu`	`Lukian: Still it didn't work, the reasons don't matter ;)`
`11:16.14`	Funkeh`	`Nargiddley, the general idea is if you have a few events that could potentially be called often you should use a local function`
`11:16.14`	`Lukian`	`SunTsu, lol`
`11:16.27`	Funkeh`	`i guess it would matter for things like cleu also`
`11:16.36`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I hate abbreviation of spaces :<`
`11:16.42`	`Nargiddley`	`how would a local function change performace when called ?`
`11:17.02`	`Bruners`	`is there any news on season 4 ?`
`11:17.02`	Funkeh`	`wouldn't it be faster?`
`11:17.24`	`SunTsu`	`Bruners: 5 days left, I think`
`11:17.25`	`Nargiddley`	`the global lookup happens at the time :SetScript is called, it won't know the difference once it has the function ref`
`11:18.48`	Funkeh`	`i was testing accessing a global.func = local vs global.func = func end and there was a 1ms ifference`
`11:19.10`	`Nargiddley`	`this http://ace.pastey.net/89747 ?`
`11:19.12`	`CIA-44`	`03diablohu * r77141 10AtlasLoot/Constants/constants.cn.lua:`
`11:19.12`	`CIA-44`	`AtlasLoot:`
`11:19.12`	`CIA-44`	`- zhCN update`
`11:19.32`	Funkeh`	`similar to that`
`11:19.46`	`Drundia`	Funkeh`, did you account for overhead of creating closure right there for second case?
`11:20.10`	`Nargiddley`	`the lookup of the function is inside the loop, which is not how SetScript would work`
`11:20.15`	`Snago`	`Like Xin said it: SetScript("OnEvent", localFunction) passes in a 4 byte reference, SetScript("OnEvent", globalFunction) looks up a 4 byte reference in the global table and pass that.`
`11:20.40`	`Snago`	`the global lookup happens once`
`11:21.19`	Funkeh`	`Nargiddley, how would it work`
`11:21.50`	`Snago`	`The SetScript get a reference to a function and saves that no matter what.`
`11:22.31`	`Snago`	`even if you later do globalFunction = someOtherGlobalFunciton the function called OnEvent won't change because it still has the old reference`
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`11:25.44`	`Nargiddley`	`http://narg.pastey.net/89770 would be closer to how it works`
`11:27.55`	Funkeh`	`Nargiddley, what time results did you get`
`11:28.07`	`Nargiddley`	`don't have lua installed`
`11:28.43`	`Nargiddley`	`which i'm fixing atm`
`11:29.03`	`Snago`	`I get 0.031 for both`
`11:29.15`	`Snago`	`consistently (sp?)`
`11:29.41`	`Nargiddley`	`the only difference is a single global + table lookup in the 2nd case, it shouldn't be noticable`
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`11:31.22`	Funkeh`	`thats wierd`
`11:31.32`	Funkeh`	`I'm getting a lot of .31 but also variances`
`11:31.39`	Funkeh`	`where the first is faster then the 2nd is`
`11:31.59`	Funkeh`	`usually at 15 or 16`
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`11:33.41`	`Snago`	`yeah, I'm getting the odd 0.076 and 0.053 as well :P`
`11:34.17`	`Snago`	`if I closed all other running processes maybe I'd get more accurate results`
`11:35.05`	`Nargiddley`	`I get around 14, with variances on both sometimes`
`11:35.41`	`Snago`	`but reading the luac output show the differances..`
`11:36.28`	`Snago`	`http://narg.pastey.net/89771`
`11:36.56`	`Snago`	`line 15 vs line 19`
`11:38.10`	`Nargiddley`	`which is meaningless`
`11:39.52`	`Nargiddley`	`thats the difference between what would be the :SetScript lines`
`11:40.27`	`Nargiddley`	`the function with the loop doesn't care how you got the func ref to pass it`
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`11:42.17`	Funkeh`	`my instinc tells me that using a local function would be better especially for an event like cleu but it actually seems the exact same assuming the variances are just the pc?`
`11:42.59`	`Nargiddley`	`function SomeGlobal() end; local SomeLocal = SomeGlobal`
`11:43.04`	`Nargiddley`	`is the function global or local ?`
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`11:47.09`	`Vulcanus`	`both I think`
`11:47.26`	`Vulcanus`	`you have a local var that's acopy of the global`
`11:47.34`	`Vulcanus`	`a copy*`
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`11:50.16`	Funkeh`	`Nargiddley, wll you woudln't be doing a global lookup`
`11:50.33`	Funkeh`	`but not sure how that relates`
`11:50.44`	`Nargiddley`	`when are you worried about a global lookup, on calling :SetScript or the event firing`
`11:51.29`	Funkeh`	`I'm trying to figure which is faster`
`11:51.42`	`Nargiddley`	`faster when ?`
`11:51.50`	Funkeh`	`each other`
`11:52.02`	`Nargiddley`	`On the event firing, or setting the handler ?`
`11:52.09`	Funkeh`	`firing`
`11:52.11`	`Snago`	`No matter how you call SetScript (localFunciton, function() end or globalFunction) it will recieve a reference to a funciton and it won't know the difference`
`11:52.19`	`Nargiddley`	`then there is no global lookup nomatter how you do it`
`11:52.55`	`Nargiddley`	`unless you do something like :SetScript("OnEvent",function() SomeGlobalFunction() end)`
`11:53.24`	`Nargiddley`	`in which case you have more troubles than worrying about the global lookup`
`11:53.28`	`Snago`	`yeah, that'd be bad >.<`
`11:53.45`	Funkeh`	`so you're saying it's the same event for a frequent event`
`11:53.55`	Funkeh`	`even for *`
`11:54.28`	`[Ammo]`	`it doesn't matter what function you use for :SetScript a reference is stored, so the calling is the same speed`
`11:54.34`	`[Ammo]`	`shrug`
`11:54.42`	`Snago`	`well.. I'm off now.. I have a wedding to sing at :)`
`11:54.51`	Funkeh`	`lol...`
`11:55.11`	Funkeh`	`have fun`
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`12:00.31`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`12:00.37`	Funkeh`	`http://secunia.com/advisories/30761/`
`12:01.12`	Funkeh`	`so quickly after release`
`12:01.40`	`Vulcanus`	`notice it also affects FF2, and reported on the 19th, you can't expect them to guess that shit because if they could, they would have fixed it`
`12:02.17`	Funkeh`	`true`
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`13:05.14`	Funkeh`	`~framexml`
`13:05.15`	`purl`	`Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/`
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`13:09.59`	Funkeh`	`how exactly does the whole \|4; thing work again`
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`13:22.28`	`breser`	Funkeh`: %d \|4Singular:Plural;
`13:22.57`	Funkeh`	`number has to be on front?`
`13:23.05`	`breser`	`Not sure on that.`
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`13:23.21`	`breser`	`I seem to recall people said it was the nearest number.`
`13:25.43`	`CIA-44`	`03Kriery 07Kriery * r77142 10IceHUD/IceHud/modules/ (FocusCC.lua TargetCC.lua):`
`13:25.43`	`CIA-44`	`IceHUD:`
`13:25.43`	`CIA-44`	`- added koKR localized spell names`
`13:25.43`	`CIA-44`	`- Using "LibBabble-Spell" is better, I think`
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`13:56.42`	`CIA-44`	`03funkydude * r77144 10BasicComboPoints/ (4 files in 2 dirs): BasicComboPoints: finished locale`
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`14:06.35`	`CIA-44`	`03warloxx * r77145 10FlexBar2_PetBar/PetBar.lua:`
`14:06.35`	`CIA-44`	`FlexBar2_PetBar:`
`14:06.35`	`CIA-44`	`- Changed Print to Debug to kill the spamy debug massages`
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`14:13.10`	`Dark_Elf`	`http://wow.qj.net/World-of-Warcraft-Undocumented-changes-for-patch-2-4-3/pg/49/aid/121333`
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`14:15.06`	`laeg`	`aw man`
`14:15.12`	`laeg`	`account suspension for swearing`
`14:15.48`	`profalber1`	`laeg: how long?`
`14:16.15`	`laeg`	`48 hours`
`14:16.18`	`laeg`	`people swear all the time`
`14:16.43`	`profalber1`	`laeg: guess somebody really doesn't like u at all, and reported you ;)`
`14:16.50`	`laeg`	`ya`
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`14:17.09`	`laeg`	`noobs in wsg were saying "forget the healers go straight for the flag carrier"`
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`14:17.29`	`profalber1`	`laeg: happens all the time`
`14:17.32`	`laeg`	`i probably used colourful language :)`
`14:18.01`	`laeg`	`but if i can get a 48 ban for that does that mean they will act on every report i make of someone saying 'fuck'?`
`14:18.17`	`laeg`	`i would have thought gms have better things to be dealing with`
`14:18.52`	`cncfanatics`	`they don't`
`14:18.59`	`cncfanatics`	`seriously, why do you think there are 3h queues for tickets ?`
`14:19.11`	`cncfanatics`	`do you think there are that much people that mislooted stuff or are stuck ?`
`14:19.28`	`laeg`	`lol`
`14:19.36`	`laeg`	`no everybody is reporting everybody else i guess`
`14:19.41`	Funkeh`	`you can't get abnend for saying fuck`
`14:19.46`	`laeg`	`i just did`
`14:19.47`	Funkeh`	`thats why there's a swear filter`
`14:19.52`	Funkeh`	`then the gm s an idiot`
`14:19.56`	`laeg`	`they said i was "swearing all over the battlegrounds"`
`14:20.06`	Funkeh`	`or you're not telling the full truth`
`14:20.16`	`laeg`	`"Type of violation: Obscene/vulgar language despite previous warnings on account "`
`14:20.28`	`laeg`	`i am, that last quote is from the suspension notification violation`
`14:20.38`	Funkeh`	`find in the ToS where it says you're not allowed to swear`
`14:22.50`	`laeg`	`http://www.wow-europe.com/en/policy/harassmentp2.html#i`
`14:23.09`	`laeg`	`thought that's the policy, and not the ToS`
`14:23.23`	`cncfanatics`	`the ToS just says they can ban you whenever they feel like it, so`
`14:23.25`	VonhintenHOME`	`it's hard not to swear at the fucking mouthbreathers in my battlegroup`
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`14:24.53`	`laeg`	`"go straight for fc and leave the healers" - how could i not swear at that`
`14:26.08`	`laeg`	`also, the ignore list is limited`
`14:26.36`	`laeg`	`there has to be more people worth ignoring on every server than the amount of people allowed on our ignorelists`
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`14:26.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`laeg: download IgnoreMore`
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`14:27.43`	`SunTsu`	`Hm, I should, too. My ignore list is maxed out on every single toon`
`14:28.34`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I'm fairly sure I'm getting close to maxing out IgnoreMore as well :p`
`14:29.03`	`profalber1`	`Pkekyo\|: ignoreMore has a limit?`
`14:29.12`	`Pkekyo\|`	`doubt it`
`14:29.19`	`Pkekyo\|`	`let's just say there's alot of arsehats on my server :)`
`14:29.33`	`SunTsu`	`Pkekyo\|: s/on my server//`
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`14:29.42`	`profalber1`	`2147483647 would be the limit i guess`
`14:30.07`	`SunTsu`	`Hm, looks like I could beat it`
`14:30.14`	`Pkekyo\|`	`profalber1: how'd you figure?`
`14:30.21`	`Worf`	`nah, not that much people playing wow currently`
`14:30.21`	`profalber1`	`2^31-1`
`14:31.33`	`Pkekyo\|`	`and how do you figure that applies here? is -everything- in wow limited by that formula?`
`14:31.58`	`SunTsu`	`Pkekyo\|: Well, the counters may be`
`14:31.59`	`profalbert`	`the signed int is limited by that formula`
`14:32.06`	`profalbert`	`gold for example`
`14:32.23`	`profalbert`	`ï»¿214748g36s47c is max`
`14:32.33`	`Pkekyo\|`	`SunTsu: including all addons?`
`14:32.53`	`laeg`	`Pkekyo\|: 'arse' lol`
`14:32.55`	`profalbert`	`for a single table i think`
`14:32.55`	`SunTsu`	`Pkekyo\|: If they use signed int as a counter, then, yes`
`14:33.01`	`laeg`	`also, i used ignoremore before but it was buggy`
`14:33.20`	`Pkekyo\|`	`laeg: ...?`
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`14:33.22`	`laeg`	`it would be cool if it notified people they were being ignored`
`14:33.33`	`laeg`	`Pkekyo\|: you live in canada, right?`
`14:33.37`	`Pkekyo\|`	`no?`
`14:33.49`	`Pkekyo\|`	`where the hell did you get that idea? :p`
`14:33.56`	`laeg`	`hmm`
`14:34.00`	`SunTsu`	`laeg: No, it was not ;) I'd be reported for spam, then ;)`
`14:34.17`	`laeg`	`you told me you lived somewhere but you use lots of british/irish terms like 'arse'`
`14:34.17`	`memeyou`	`why notify someone ur ignoring them? doesn't that defeat the point?`
`14:34.34`	`laeg`	`so that they know they're not annoying/trolling you`
`14:34.48`	`Pkekyo\|`	`laeg: aye...I'm norse though`
`14:35.01`	`Pkekyo\|`	`also: the queen's english is the dog's danglies!`
`14:35.48`	`SunTsu`	`laeg: They know if you don't answer`
`14:35.51`	`memeyou`	`but regularly ignoring them perfectly fixes that. informing them is feeding the troll/passive aggressive nonverbal communication`
`14:36.47`	`nevcairiel`	`regarding numbers: lua uses double precision floats to store its numbers, its higher then the int limit`
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`14:41.31`	`laeg`	`memeyou: regularly ignoring them? i'd just ignore them and leave them ignored`
`14:42.52`	`Pkekyo\|`	`same :)`
`14:43.15`	`memeyou`	`i meant regular as in plain, not repeatedly`
`14:44.05`	`CIA-44`	`03odlaw * r77146 10BangItHarder/embeds.xml: BangItHarder: fix embeds`
`14:44.11`	`SunTsu`	`nevcairiel: Looks like I will have a hard time beating that limit, but I promise to try ;)`
`14:45.50`	`laeg`	`i need to get my alt to level 60 before october for a brewfest ram`
`14:46.23`	`Lukian`	`how do you know rams are available this year? ;)`
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`14:48.34`	`durcyn`	`i thought it was a kodo this time around`
`14:49.34`	`laeg`	`i didn't know they switch :)`
`14:49.40`	`laeg`	`i've only seen one!`
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`14:49.52`	`Lukian`	`durcyn, it could be both`
`14:50.19`	`Lukian`	`it'd be nice if the ram was only available last year though ;) but I'd say they'd keep it "fair" and have both`
`14:50.55`	`SunTsu`	`I still habe all my brewfast tickets`
`14:51.22`	`SunTsu`	`Hope I still can use them this year and they have something I'd like ;)`
`14:51.32`	`laeg`	`i only want to take part in festivals if i can get things i can keep and use after especially if i can using them again and again`
`14:51.57`	VonhintenHOME`	`festivals can lick my sack.. I don't have bag space for that crap`
`14:52.19`	`Pkekyo\|`	`lol agreed`
`14:52.32`	VonhintenHOME`	`though, beerfest was my favorite one so far`
`14:52.37`	`memeyou`	`sok with enough of those 20 slot bags`
`14:53.32`	`SunTsu`	VonhintenHOME`: Yeah, but sometimes they have one or the other jewel as a price
`14:53.43`	`CIA-44`	`03LordFarlander * r77148 10Mount/ (Mount.lua Mount.xml):`
`14:53.43`	`CIA-44`	`Mount:`
`14:53.43`	`CIA-44`	`- LibStickyFrames support temporarily disabled`
`14:53.44`	`CIA-44`	`03LordFarlander * r77147 10MiniPet/ (MiniPet.lua MiniPet.xml):`
`14:53.44`	`CIA-44`	`MiniPet:`
`14:53.44`	`CIA-44`	`- LibStickyFrames support temporarily disabled`
`14:54.01`	`laeg`	`i would have loved a brewfest ram that you could whip like you could in the quest`
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`15:05.03`	`Ackis`	`<+CIA-48> - Using "LibBabble-Spell" is better, I think`
`15:05.04`	`Ackis`	`?`
`15:05.21`	`[Ammo]`	`hmm?`
`15:05.31`	`Ackis`	`just looking at backscroll commit notes`
`15:05.36`	`laeg`	`can you guys make it so auctioneer can automatically take items for which there is no competition from our mailboxes?`
`15:05.45`	`[Ammo]`	`laeg: #norganna`
`15:05.51`	`laeg`	`sorry wc`
`15:05.53`	`[Ammo]`	`:)`
`15:05.57`	`laeg`	`:)`
`15:06.02`	`laeg`	`lol i'm in there and everything :P`
`15:06.03`	`Ackis`	`you better be sorry! rawr`
`15:06.05`	`[Ammo]`	`Ackis: I spot another idiot!`
`15:06.21`	`Ackis`	`[Ammo]: so with him and me, that makes 2? lol`
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`15:06.30`	`[Ammo]`	`Kriery does not pass start, goes directly to prison and won't receive the 'OK' stamp`
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`15:07.43`	`Ackis`	`I wonder how that is easier than spell IDs?`
`15:08.25`	`CIA-44`	`03pettigrow * r77149 10kgPanelsConfig/ (3 files in 2 dirs): kgPanelsConfig: Added french translation`
`15:08.37`	`[Ammo]`	`Ackis does not pass start, goes directly to prison and won't receive the 'OK' stamp`
`15:08.44`	`Ackis`	`:(`
`15:08.46`	`[Ammo]`	`if you even have to wonder that......`
`15:08.54`	`Ackis`	`I'm trying to figure it out :P`
`15:09.26`	`[Ammo]`	`closes the door and throws away the key`
`15:09.38`	`Ackis`	`lol`
`15:09.44`	`Ackis`	`lock yourself in with me wink wink`
`15:09.57`	`Ackis`	`wow I am so gay`
`15:10.13`	`[Ammo]`	`I have a couple of friends I'll lock you in with`
`15:10.17`	`[Ammo]`	`they're friendly bears`
`15:10.17`	`Ackis`	`lol`
`15:10.19`	`[Ammo]`	`you'll enjoy it`
`15:10.26`	`CIA-44`	`03ckknight * r77150 10LibDogTag-Unit-3.0/Categories/Cast.lua: LibDogTag-Unit-3.0 - Fix an issue where oldStart could be nil`
`15:10.30`	`Ackis`	`damnit need to reroll druid`
`15:11.01`	`[Ammo]`	`not those kinda bears`
`15:11.26`	`Ackis`	`oh ...`
`15:11.58`	`[Ammo]`	`lets say: http://www.furbacks.com/`
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`15:12.26`	`Ackis`	`we had a back hair discussion here a couple weeks ago`
`15:12.31`	`Ackis`	`I think nevcairiel suffers too`
`15:12.36`	`Stanzilla`	`thx Ammo`
`15:12.44`	`[Ammo]`	`you're welcome stan`
`15:12.47`	`Stanzilla`	`rips out eyes`
`15:13.07`	`Ackis`	`you actually clicked it? :P`
`15:13.20`	`Stanzilla`	`sure :P`
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`15:13.53`	`Ackis`	`since you click things click http://ackis.myminicity.com/ind :P`
`15:14.23`	`SunTsu`	`Ackis: You're quite obsessive with it ;)`
`15:14.37`	`Ackis`	`lol`
`15:15.13`	`Stanzilla`	`Ackis: nah, I don't click Ackis-friendly links`
`15:15.25`	`Ackis`	`:(`
`15:16.11`	`Ackis`	`wow, hellgate or aoc?`
`15:16.48`	`[Ammo]`	`msww`
`15:16.58`	`[Ammo]`	`mad sex with wife`
`15:17.32`	`Ackis`	`lol`
`15:18.00`	`Ackis`	`but what will you do after those 2 minutes are up?`
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`15:18.28`	VonhintenHOME`	`sleep`
`15:18.57`	`Ackis`	`cuddles with Elkano`
`15:19.19`	`[Ammo]`	`Ackis: read a book on cunnilingus and make it last longer than 2 minutes :p`
`15:19.46`	`Ackis`	`rofl`
`15:19.59`	`Ackis`	`om nom nom nom`
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`15:21.14`	`Ackis`	`you scared poeople away with that comment sheesh`
`15:21.27`	VonhintenHOME`	`lol, LordFarlander was here`
`15:21.49`	`Ackis`	`I posted in his thread and he joined irc`
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`15:22.50`	`CIA-44`	`03pettigrow * r77151 10kgPanelsConfig/Locales/kgPanels-frFR.lua: kgPanelsConfig: frFR Update`
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`15:24.28`	Funkeh`	`Ackis, WHY`
`15:24.40`	`Ackis`	`so he learns?`
`15:25.45`	`Ackis`	i also told him that he can just pm Funkeh` with any questions he has
`15:25.58`	`CIA-44`	`03pettigrow * r77152 10kgPanels/kgPanels.lua: kgPanels: frFR Update`
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`15:27.42`	`durcyn`	`that's rather impolite`
`15:27.50`	Funkeh`	`# 16. If something we said can be interpreted two ways,`
`15:27.50`	Funkeh`	`57 and one of the ways makes you sad or angry,`
`15:27.50`	Funkeh`	`58 we meant the other one.`
`15:28.15`	Funkeh`	`that brings to mind situations !`
`15:28.19`	`Ackis`	`lol`
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`15:29.33`	Funkeh`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:29.34`	Funkeh`	`80 We know you are lying, but it is just not worth the hassle.`
`15:29.38`	Funkeh`	`ding ding ding`
`15:29.47`	`Ackis`	`is that a book about females?`
`15:31.19`	Funkeh`	`no i just pastey it in the wrong window`
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`15:49.53`	`Odlaw`	`any ideas on a function to pass variable number of arguments, and to check against a table (return Table[arg1][arg2][arg3])?`
`15:50.29`	`CIA-44`	`03pettigrow * r77153 10SmoothQuest/ (SmoothQuest.toc libs/ libs.xml locale/frFR.lua):`
`15:50.29`	`CIA-44`	`SmoothQuest:`
`15:50.29`	`CIA-44`	`- Added french localization`
`15:50.29`	`CIA-44`	`- Added AceDB-3.0 to externals`
`15:55.36`	`memeyou`	`is there a constant for the player's GUID or what's the best way to fetch that?`
`15:55.49`	`nevcairiel`	`UnitGUID("player")`
`15:55.52`	`dylanm`	`Odlaw: Read up on ... and the select() function.`
`15:56.02`	`memeyou`	`thanks`
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`15:57.59`	`Odlaw`	`uhm`
`15:58.08`	`Xinhuan`	`note that UnitGUID("player") is only valid after PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD`
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`15:59.43`	`Odlaw`	`nm, i was hoping for a slightly elegant solution, rather than using a for loop to try to check each level of the table`
`16:00.07`	`Odlaw`	`but yes, i already am using ...`
`16:02.36`	`dylanm`	`Anything easier than that would be a little too magical.`
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`16:03.53`	`memeyou`	`well i'm calling it within the combat_log_event so i dont' think that'll be a problem, ya?`
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`16:04.42`	`Xinhuan`	`not a problem`
`16:04.53`	`Xinhuan`	`but if you're calling it EVERY combat log event, then that's a problem`
`16:05.04`	`nevcairiel`	`nah its not`
`16:05.16`	`memeyou`	`no not on every, just on aura_applied`
`16:05.18`	`nevcairiel`	`the call itself doesnt cost much`
`16:05.28`	`nevcairiel`	`you essentially only have a function call`
`16:05.33`	`Xinhuan`	`its not necessary to call it more than once, and store it in a local upvalue`
`16:06.13`	`memeyou`	`yea, was thinking there might be something stored already - such a common value`
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`16:07.38`	Funkeh`	`Xinhuan, actually it's perfectly valid after player login`
`16:08.20`	`Xinhuan`	`you sure? it didn't work for me`
`16:08.27`	`Xinhuan`	`i tried it in omen`
`16:09.01`	`profalbert`	`when is OnInitialize executed?`
`16:09.13`	`Xinhuan`	`during ADDON_LOADED`
`16:09.17`	`memeyou`	`if anything the cryo2 is a bit faster - so far deleted 4 event handlers all used for the same thing... one used a string search on ever DAMAGE XD`
`16:09.31`	`profalbert`	`ah, that's before PLAYER_LOGIN then`
`16:09.49`	`nevcairiel`	`depends when your addon loads :p`
`16:09.53`	`nevcairiel`	`but generally, yes`
`16:10.19`	`profalbert`	`if it's not LOD or AddonLoader supported, it applies I think`
`16:10.34`	Funkeh`	`Xinhuan, works for me :P`
`16:10.41`	`Xinhuan`	`it'll work on a reloadui`
`16:10.44`	`Xinhuan`	`but not on a fresh login`
`16:10.47`	Funkeh`	`it does`
`16:10.49`	Funkeh`	`i tested it`
`16:20.29`	`CIA-44`	`03hegarol * r77154 10AtlasLoot_WorldLoot/WorldEvents.en.lua:`
`16:20.29`	`CIA-44`	`AtlasLoot_WorldLoot:`
`16:20.29`	`CIA-44`	`- small change for Midsummer Fire Festival section`
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`16:26.22`	`p3lim`	`moo`
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`16:35.07`	`DARKGuy`	`o/`
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`16:53.31`	VonhintenHOME`	`Ok, everyone says that the Shard of Contempt and the Dragonspine Trophy are the best combo you can get pre-sunwell for a rogue...`
`16:53.57`	VonhintenHOME`	`why the hell does this rogue DPS spreadsheet still put me at doing more DPS with the Tsunami Talisman and Dragonspine Trophy?`
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`16:57.11`	`Jygga`	`expertise and chance on hit ap are not calculated properly by the spreadsheet?`
`16:57.29`	VonhintenHOME`	`either that or everyone is wrong`
`16:57.32`	`Jygga`	`:)`
`16:58.05`	`breser`	`You lose your hit cap when not using the Tsunami Talisman?`
`16:58.31`	VonhintenHOME`	`no, I'm below the hit cap by a good bit`
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`16:59.00`	`breser`	`That may be it. The spreadsheet is probably valuing hit before everything else.`
`16:59.10`	`breser`	`So it thinks since you are hit capped that the Talisman is better.`
`16:59.14`	`breser`	`aren't*`
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`16:59.42`	VonhintenHOME`	`nah hit isn't valued hugely at this gear level, it's pretty close to Agi actually`
`16:59.46`	VonhintenHOME`	`higher, but close`
`17:00.04`	`breser`	`If you can arbitrarily add in hit somewhere else try that and see if you make it think you're hit capped and see if it changes what it thinks is better.`
`17:00.21`	`breser`	VonhintenHOME`: That may be but the spreadsheet may not be written that way.
`17:01.00`	VonhintenHOME`	`that's what I'm saying, already plugged in extra hit, it's valued pretty close to Agi`
`17:02.51`	`breser`	`Perhaps the spreadsheet has the wrong values for the proc rate of the shard (too low) or the talisman (too high)`
`17:03.31`	VonhintenHOME`	`I don't think its valuing the 44 exp`
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`17:21.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`it's valuing the 44exp, rather sure of that.`
`17:26.19`	VonhintenHOME`	`nah, Assassin's Alchemist Stone is giving more DPS than the Shard of Contempt. It's listed as 108 AP, the Shard of Contempt is listed as 92.13 AP`
`17:26.45`	VonhintenHOME`	`There's no way 44 exp is worth that little`
`17:27.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`you're using the latest off rogue.raidcal.com, right?`
`17:27.11`	VonhintenHOME`	`yep`
`17:29.24`	`vithos`	`there's an expertise cap right? maybe you've reached it at least partially without the shard of contempt?`
`17:29.50`	VonhintenHOME`	`there is, and I don't have any expertise that isn't from the shard`
`17:30.56`	`vithos`	`what does it say your chance to hit is with the shard selected?`
`17:31.40`	VonhintenHOME`	`doesn't change, chance to hit is tracked as hit rating`
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`17:32.20`	`NeoTron`	`so a friends guild just had a (long time and founding) member ninja the chest token and skull off Illidan and then gquitting`
`17:32.31`	`NeoTron`	`they use FFA loot because "master loot is too hard"`
`17:32.51`	`nevcairiel`	`learning the hard way =P`
`17:32.55`	`memeyou`	`they all fail`
`17:33.00`	`NeoTron`	`they won't hcange`
`17:33.08`	`memeyou`	`as i said`
`17:33.10`	`NeoTron`	`because it's still "too hard"`
`17:33.45`	`NeoTron`	`I don't get it but alas`
`17:34.05`	`NeoTron`	`seems like it's just asking for problems, even if they were unintentional`
`17:34.37`	VonhintenHOME`	`I could see doing it for warglaives, but... a token and the skull?`
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`17:40.44`	`aestil`	`NeoTron: we use FFA`
`17:41.02`	`aestil`	`someone who would do that, just because they can, is someone i don't want to play with anyways.`
`17:41.17`	`aestil`	`i'll take the loss of an item`
`17:43.23`	`aestil`	`whaaa, did charon fix taunt/growl resists from pets in threat 2?`
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`17:44.45`	`NeoTron`	`aestil: the main problem is, once it has happened it's too late`
`17:45.05`	`NeoTron`	`like maybe they have better luck but my guild has seen the skull twice in 6.5 months`
`17:45.16`	`SunTsu`	`NeoTron: So what? It's not that those Items will drop never ever again`
`17:45.29`	`NeoTron`	`that's my point`
`17:45.41`	`NeoTron`	`it might very well be that those items, well the skull at least, never fucking drops`
`17:45.48`	`NeoTron`	`because it's random`
`17:46.28`	`NeoTron`	`'`
`17:46.32`	`breser`	`We've gotten in 6 times.`
`17:46.35`	`SunTsu`	`NeoTron: And it might very well be that it drops ten times in a row, because it's random ;)`
`17:46.42`	`breser`	`But have had horrible lock on glaives.`
`17:46.54`	`NeoTron`	`point is, they lost one of the few items people keep coming back for`
`17:47.09`	`NeoTron`	`illidan holds for us: the glaives, skull, memento, staff`
`17:47.14`	`SunTsu`	`NeoTron: So, it's a trade off I am willing to take anytime. An item for getting rid of an asshole. Sounds like a great deal to me`
`17:47.18`	`NeoTron`	`and that's 98% of the reason we still do BT at all`
`17:47.30`	`breser`	`We also use FFA.`
`17:47.36`	`NeoTron`	`ML is quick and easy`
`17:47.39`	`durcyn`	`NeoTron: you don't sell items to fund SWP consumables/repairs?`
`17:48.32`	`breser`	`NeoTron: As someone who used to be ML for a previous guild. ML is a pain in the butt. Not so much on bosses but on trash it's annoying.`
`17:48.32`	`NeoTron`	`no?`
`17:48.43`	`NeoTron`	`people do dailies to fund their consumables/repairs`
`17:48.51`	`NeoTron`	`the guild bank pays for all enchants and such`
`17:49.03`	`NeoTron`	`breser: I'm the ML for my current guild. it's fine.`
`17:49.14`	`NeoTron`	`I'm also the one marking trash.`
`17:49.17`	`NeoTron`	`and leading the raid.`
`17:49.19`	`NeoTron`	`and doing DKP.`
`17:49.20`	`NeoTron`	`it's all fine.`
`17:49.51`	`breser`	`Then your raid must move like molasiss because we chain pull. There's no way we could do that with ML. And interestingly enough the previous guild that used ML moved like molasis.`
`17:50.09`	VonhintenHOME`	`yep`
`17:50.30`	`NeoTron`	`breser: no`
`17:50.40`	VonhintenHOME`	`at least having all that being done by one person is slow`
`17:50.42`	`NeoTron`	`it works fine. I sometimes do a bit of looting while stuff dies`
`17:50.54`	`NeoTron`	`I mark stuff while killing the current target`
`17:51.05`	`NeoTron`	`we pretty much chainpull SWP`
`17:51.40`	`breser`	`I understand the desire to use it. It makes it safe you don't have to worry about someone "stealing" stuff. But if people are asses and want to steal stuff who's to say your ML can't be an ass? For that matter who's to say your ML can't make a mistake. Either way shit happens.`
`17:51.42`	`NeoTron`	`as far as healers can handle it, and scout patrols allow`
`17:52.15`	`NeoTron`	`I'd rather have a ML error (can be fixed by blizzard) than a ninja loot/gquit (which won't be fixed)`
`17:52.33`	`vithos`	`ML is one person's job. what does that have to do with not chain pulling?`
`17:52.35`	`aestil`	`i have no problem with FFA, as i said, its just game items`
`17:52.43`	`breser`	`Seriously anyone that is ninjaing loot off Illidan at this point is pretty dumb.`
`17:52.52`	`aestil`	`i'd rather lose the item, and the piece of shit person`
`17:52.59`	`NeoTron`	`breser: everyone hasn't farmed illidan for months`
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`17:53.37`	`Chompers`	`some people are still stuck on RoS`
`17:53.40`	`breser`	`If he wanted it that bad he could just transfer to a guild that has and he could probably have anything he wanted.`
`17:53.41`	`NeoTron`	`and what vithos says, one person MLing doesn't make pulling slow. it's not like everyone waits for it to happen`
`17:53.42`	`Chompers`	`:<`
`17:54.02`	`NeoTron`	`breser: except some guilds have seen two skulls ever`
`17:54.06`	`NeoTron`	`so that doesn't work eithr`
`17:56.30`	`NeoTron`	`ironically I think ML is faster for trash looting. FFA: one person has to check all corpses and if an epic is found, do the bidding. Then the winner has to run back to wherever the body is to pick it up. ML: One person has to check corpses, do bidding and then give the item to the winner who doesn't have to lift a finger.`
`17:57.18`	`breser`	`Except what you left out is that the looting can be done by anyone.`
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`17:57.33`	`breser`	`And you don't have to assign gems you just pick them up.`
`17:57.54`	`NeoTron`	`that's just asknig for trouble`
`17:57.57`	`vithos`	`there are fewer corpses for the ML to check, and fewer corpses for random people to loot garbage off of`
`17:57.58`	`nevcairiel`	`with proper ML addons, you can instantly assign gems to yourself too`
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`17:58.15`	`vithos`	`because not everything is sparkling`
`17:58.17`	`NeoTron`	`nevcairiel: is there such an ML addon by chance?`
`17:58.34`	`breser`	`Except that ML bugs out and makes mobs that have nothing on them sparkle.`
`17:58.38`	`NeoTron`	`because that is one thing I've considered making.`
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`17:58.46`	`nevcairiel`	`I think i saw one`
`17:58.46`	`breser`	`I don't know how many times I've looted a mob running back from a wipe that had nothing on it.`
`17:58.49`	`nevcairiel`	`some time back`
`17:58.50`	`NeoTron`	`breser: mouse over tooltip doesn't bug out`
`18:00.51`	`Primer`	`Has the armory site been gimped recently?`
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`18:01.42`	`NeoTron`	`Primer: if by recently you mean "since it was first released", then yes`
`18:01.45`	`Primer`	`I've been told my spec isn't quite SL/SL. Could someone please link their SL/SL spec?`
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`18:02.38`	`NeoTron`	`I'm SL/Emberstorm!`
`18:03.08`	`Primer`	`I'm pondering going 42/7/11 for 3's`
`18:03.31`	`NeoTron`	`0/31/30 is where it's at`
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`18:06.22`	`CIA-44`	`LittleWigs:`
`18:06.22`	`CIA-44`	`- zhCN update.`
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`18:18.35`	`p3lim`	`who was it that needed ItemID on tooltip?`
`18:18.36`	`p3lim`	`http://yleafmods.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/Tipleaf/`
`18:20.28`	`NeoTron`	`tonight is our first "bt takeover" (we're taking over a RoS->Illidan instance from another guild who can't clear more). I feel some glaives dropping`
`18:21.10`	VonhintenHOME`	`you pay them for that?`
`18:21.38`	`NeoTron`	`their price was 2 HoD's and 1-2 of their people in the raid`
`18:21.51`	VonhintenHOME`	`not bad`
`18:21.58`	`NeoTron`	`our counter is half the HoD's, all patterns they can use (BoE + BoP they can use) and probably some epic gems`
`18:22.09`	`NeoTron`	`basically we're "paying" more than they asked`
`18:22.33`	VonhintenHOME`	`not bringing thier toons?`
`18:22.33`	`NeoTron`	`unless we have really crappy luck on HoD's`
`18:22.40`	`NeoTron`	`bringing two`
`18:22.45`	`NeoTron`	`left that out it seems`
`18:22.51`	`nevcairiel`	`we have so many HoDs in our bank`
`18:22.53`	`NeoTron`	`so they get gear we don't need to`
`18:22.57`	`nevcairiel`	`why dont you just pay them? :P`
`18:23.00`	`NeoTron`	`HoD's is our primary guild funding`
`18:23.12`	`NeoTron`	`meaning the primary source of income today`
`18:23.12`	`nevcairiel`	`we are near 100k gold`
`18:23.16`	`nevcairiel`	`and nothing to spent it on`
`18:23.17`	`NeoTron`	`so are we`
`18:23.22`	`NeoTron`	`but we're going down slowly now`
`18:23.26`	`Zyndrome`	`knits a dress out of HoD's`
`18:23.27`	`NeoTron`	`due to paying for all enchants`
`18:23.31`	`NeoTron`	`including shoulder/pants`
`18:23.35`	`nevcairiel`	`we dont do that :p`
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`18:23.56`	`NeoTron`	`we don't do repairs or consumables (we do SOME consumables but far from fully)`
`18:24.00`	`nevcairiel`	`we randomly push out stuff to members`
`18:24.01`	`NeoTron`	`like some food and wizard oils`
`18:24.04`	`nevcairiel`	`potions etc`
`18:24.35`	`NeoTron`	`we ahave members pay the ongoing cost of raiding while payign the big items`
`18:24.37`	`nevcairiel`	`like when we learned brutallus, we provided potions for half the trys`
`18:24.39`	`NeoTron`	`vs the opposite`
`18:24.49`	`nevcairiel`	`meh enchants are cheap :P`
`18:24.57`	`NeoTron`	`so are consumables :P easy to farm too`
`18:25.27`	`NeoTron`	`free epic gems too`
`18:25.30`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah not really sure what we plan to do with the money`
`18:25.34`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah epic gems are free too`
`18:25.36`	`nevcairiel`	`for main gear`
`18:25.36`	`NeoTron`	`also we want to have a buffer for wotlk to buy up patterns and such`
`18:25.38`	`nevcairiel`	`anyway`
`18:25.40`	`NeoTron`	`yeah`
`18:25.41`	VonhintenHOME`	`we've had guilds asking us for our instance when we can't get archimonde done... I've considered asking for them to bring a couple of our better players along`
`18:25.54`	VonhintenHOME`	`btw, how far are they in BT? right before illidan?`
`18:25.58`	`NeoTron`	VonhintenHOME`: it's a no-lose situation
`18:26.13`	`NeoTron`	`the guild we're going with has bloodboil down`
`18:26.15`	`NeoTron`	`so we start on RoS`
`18:26.17`	VonhintenHOME`	`well, it's a lose if those 2 die and cause everyone to get owned :)`
`18:26.30`	`NeoTron`	`have them suicide :P`
`18:26.37`	`NeoTron`	`but a good guild can handle a few deaths`
`18:26.42`	`NeoTron`	`the key isn't (necessarily) to avoid dying`
`18:26.49`	`NeoTron`	`it's to avoid chain dying.`
`18:26.59`	`NeoTron`	`we've had kills (one shot in fact) where 5-6 people died`
`18:27.01`	`genetik-`	`just have them sit in the lake`
`18:27.02`	`genetik-`	`heh`
`18:27.14`	`NeoTron`	`can you not die if you sit in the lake?`
`18:27.28`	`genetik-`	`unsure`
`18:27.47`	VonhintenHOME`	`One death does my guild in`
`18:27.53`	`NeoTron`	`yeah`
`18:27.55`	VonhintenHOME`	`but we're not leet`
`18:28.06`	`NeoTron`	`takes practice to live it`
`18:28.14`	`NeoTron`	`and having extra levels of gear help of course`
`18:29.38`	`nevcairiel`	`you get no fire in the lake, but thats about it`
`18:29.39`	`nevcairiel`	`i think`
`18:30.08`	`NeoTron`	`so we've come to a new enlightenment in the guild`
`18:30.21`	`nevcairiel`	`whats that?`
`18:30.24`	`NeoTron`	`instead of having extra X for 1-2 fights, we're looking at having people geared for two roles`
`18:30.40`	`nevcairiel`	`that usually sucks`
`18:30.41`	`NeoTron`	`so our elemental shaman is also resto shaman for twins`
`18:30.47`	`genetik-`	`how's that working out?`
`18:30.49`	`NeoTron`	`our resto druid will likely work to become occasional feral druid`
`18:30.51`	`nevcairiel`	`because people that play two rules usually sucks at one`
`18:31.06`	`NeoTron`	`the shaman is an awesome player`
`18:31.22`	`NeoTron`	`he excelled elemental, enhancement and is good resto (played holy priest before)`
`18:31.30`	`NeoTron`	`he has gear and skill to play all three specs`
`18:31.41`	`nevcairiel`	`well shaman is a two button class in all specs`
`18:31.43`	`NeoTron`	`we have a ret pally that's also a good healer (last resort).`
`18:31.44`	`nevcairiel`	`:)`
`18:31.59`	`NeoTron`	`the druid's main was a mage. we brough him for his alt druid`
`18:32.16`	`NeoTron`	`his mage had to step in for bgrutallus once and was very competetive and he's a good resto druid (was feral before coming to us)`
`18:32.28`	VonhintenHOME`	`Some people can play anything well`
`18:32.30`	`NeoTron`	`so we just have a few players that simply are "good" regardless of class`
`18:32.31`	VonhintenHOME`	`I can pretty much`
`18:32.47`	`NeoTron`	`"good" players are good pretty mcuh regardless of class`
`18:33.03`	`NeoTron`	`I'm a good tank (pally), dps (warlock) and healer (pally, priest/druid pre-bc)`
`18:33.10`	VonhintenHOME`	`Only hurdle for me is just spending the time to learn everything about said class`
`18:33.39`	`NeoTron`	`but for our would be feral druid, we have one oft he most skilled feral druids in the world probably in our guild (not meaning to boast, she's just that good)`
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`18:34.00`	`odt`	`azael played on FDDs 3s lock/rogue/warr`
`18:34.14`	VonhintenHOME`	`I was willing to believe you, till you said "she"`
`18:34.23`	VonhintenHOME`	`lol`
`18:34.26`	`odt`	`that's skill to play a different class at the highest arena level basically 5min between games`
`18:34.30`	`NeoTron`	`she is more like a guy than a gal`
`18:34.31`	`NeoTron`	`:P`
`18:34.44`	`NeoTron`	`she has spreadsheets, uses rawr and does an insane amount of theory crafting`
`18:36.21`	`nevcairiel`	`we had a rogue of those`
`18:36.38`	`nevcairiel`	`girly that played for perfection :p`
`18:36.50`	`nevcairiel`	`and managed to do so`
`18:36.53`	`nevcairiel`	`best rogue i've ever seen`
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`18:41.36`	VonhintenHOME`	`So, I'm an Umbral Shiv and 4 epic gems away from having my rogue tanking set complete`
`18:41.49`	VonhintenHOME`	`give gruul a try =P`
`18:48.14`	`NeoTron`	`I will gladly admit though`
`18:48.30`	`NeoTron`	`that most female players we've had have been, at best, average`
`18:48.35`	`NeoTron`	`some of them being outright bad`
`18:48.50`	`NeoTron`	`and also the amount of drama caused by female players has been propotionally a lot higher`
`18:49.55`	`durcyn`	`yeah, but they have tits, so it balances out.`
`18:50.12`	VonhintenHOME`	`I've found that the female players are nearly as good as their husband/boyfriend`
`18:51.22`	`kenlyric`	`people like to say "an excellent female player is an exception"`
`18:51.28`	`kenlyric`	`but honestly, that's true of the males, too.`
`18:51.34`	`kenlyric`	`there are just more of them.`
`18:51.49`	`Vulcanus`	`there are no gurls on the interweb`
`18:51.59`	`kenlyric`	`s/girls/fbi/g`
`18:52.16`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
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`18:52.39`	VonhintenHOME`	`plenty of girls on the interweb, at www.empflix.com`
`18:52.42`	VonhintenHOME`	`(NSFW)`
`18:53.14`	`Vulcanus`	`tnaflix or youporn imo`
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`18:53.35`	`Vulcanus`	`or so my friends tell me`
`18:53.37`	`Vulcanus`	`cough`
`18:54.53`	`NeoTron`	`kenlyric: there is some truth to it however`
`18:55.02`	`kenlyric`	`nope`
`18:55.14`	`NeoTron`	`there is. More guys, still, play games than girl`
`18:55.21`	`kenlyric`	`I bet if you did stats, the average skill curve would be the same`
`18:55.22`	`NeoTron`	`or I should rephrase`
`18:55.28`	`NeoTron`	`WoW attract more non-gamers than gamers`
`18:55.36`	`NeoTron`	`than other games I mean`
`18:55.52`	`NeoTron`	`guys are more likely to be gamers, still`
`18:56.07`	`NeoTron`	`and esp sicne our guild is mostly 25-35 yo's`
`18:56.21`	`kenlyric`	`ok`
`18:56.30`	`kenlyric`	`that doesn't mean the per-capita failrate is higher or lower`
`18:56.58`	`NeoTron`	`you're probably mostly correct`
`18:57.26`	`NeoTron`	`however in WoW you can be more certain to find a fail female player than fail male due to the propotions of good/bad players being similar but absolute numbers differing`
`18:57.40`	`kenlyric`	`my own experience is that girls are less delusional about their relative skills than males are.`
`18:57.58`	`NeoTron`	`and I think that, in general, guys are usually more into theorycrafting and using spreadsheets and, to be frank, maximizing theri epeens`
`18:58.18`	`kenlyric`	`actually, in that case you'd be more likely to find a fail male player, since there are more of them.`
`18:58.25`	`NeoTron`	`there's probably a psycology thesis waiting to be done in this area`
`18:58.38`	`kenlyric`	`you know how hard it is to type "fail male"`
`18:58.44`	`NeoTron`	`hehe`
`18:58.44`	`kenlyric`	`I'm never doing it again.`
`18:59.02`	`NeoTron`	`still what I've noticed a lot is mostly a biological factor`
`18:59.30`	`breser`	`What that girls have vaginas and boys have pensises?`
`18:59.32`	`NeoTron`	`female players of the past in my guild often had a "bad week" every 4-5 weeks on a regular schedule`
`18:59.41`	`NeoTron`	`breser: bluntly put, yes :)`
`18:59.49`	`Vulcanus`	`ken: how about wanting to go to hotmail and then end up going to hotmale >_<`
`18:59.59`	`NeoTron`	`but we've had people that are perfectly fine turn into a hellion bitch "that time of the month"`
`19:00.01`	`kenlyric`	`but science has proven that men follow the same kind of cycle in terms of moods`
`19:00.33`	`nevcairiel`	`men just bottle them up more, its not men-ish to be so moody all the time :P`
`19:00.33`	`NeoTron`	`but still what's funny is hearing our feral druid complain at other women in the guild "Acting like a woman"`
`19:01.00`	`NeoTron`	`or "as much as I don't want to say it, that's very typical woman behavior" type comments`
`19:01.12`	`NeoTron`	`liek when a player felt slighted she gave us the "silent treatment"`
`19:01.26`	`NeoTron`	`and made sure to be online just before the raid, logging 2 minutes before invite`
`19:02.28`	`breser`	`What are your members 5 because this might explain the ML thing too.`
`19:04.12`	`breser`	`I had a member in a previous guild (male) who didn't get his on time DKP (he was late, was online but was not in the raid, at the instance and was apparently doing an enchant for some reandom person in town) and just logged off becuase of that.`
`19:04.19`	`NeoTron`	`she's like 30-35 or so`
`19:04.33`	`*** join/#wowace ZealotOnAStick (n=zoas@adsl-070-154-141-174.sip.bna.bellsouth.net)`
`19:04.40`	`*** mode/#wowace [+v ZealotOnAStick] by ChanServ`
`19:05.05`	`breser`	`And it was a piddly amount of dkp. He cost himself probably 10 times more dkp by just not coming than missing the ontime bonus.`
`19:05.16`	`NeoTron`	`and no that was an example of "typical female behavior" according to our female druid tank`
`19:05.29`	`NeoTron`	`andI do ML because it's faster and easier`
`19:05.35`	`NeoTron`	`not because I expect people to ninjaloot`
`19:05.38`	`durcyn`	`people still use dkp? how quaint.`
`19:06.08`	`NeoTron`	`nothing wrong with DKP`
`19:08.01`	`breser`	`Well it was actually EP but whatever. Most of time if I say EP a lot of people are like "What is that?"`
`19:09.04`	`Pkekyo\|`	`~dkp`
`19:09.06`	`Pkekyo\|`	`~ep`
`19:09.07`	`purl`	`Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!!`
`19:09.15`	`Pkekyo\|`	`wtf? :p`
`19:09.31`	`Pkekyo\|`	`gz on making sense purl`
`19:09.32`	`breser`	`Thank you purl.`
`19:12.03`	`*** join/#wowace Ticondrius (n=chatzill@189.161.48.19)`
`19:12.53`	`Kaelten`	`where is the new arena vendor? I think its just on the PTR, but it may already be on live`
`19:13.02`	`Valantil`	`Anyone in here able to help me with a problem migrating from PeriodicTable-2.0 to 3.1?`
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`19:14.10`	`NeoTron`	`Kaelten: next to C'thun`
`19:14.16`	`Valantil`	`lol`
`19:14.27`	`NeoTron`	`spice it up a little`
`19:14.43`	`Fisker-`	`hey Kaelten you're turned on by genetalia that looks like children`
`19:14.44`	`Valantil`	`"Are you REALLY worthy to have S4?" :P`
`19:14.45`	`NeoTron`	`common mistake though - he doesn't spawn if you skip the optional bosses!`
`19:14.45`	`Fisker-`	`O_o`
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`19:14.48`	`CIA-44`	`03hegarol * r77158 10AtlasLoot_RepFactions/rep.lua:`
`19:14.48`	`CIA-44`	`AtlasLoot_RepFactions:`
`19:14.48`	`CIA-44`	`- added new rep items from 2.4.3`
`19:15.06`	`NeoTron`	`Fisker-: you confuse me sometimes...`
`19:15.10`	`Kaelten`	`Fisker-: um, wtf?`
`19:15.16`	`NeoTron`	`and with sometimes I mean all the times.`
`19:15.28`	`Fisker-`	`indeed`
`19:15.47`	`Kaelten`	`NeoTron: next to a raid boss?`
`19:15.50`	`nevcairiel`	`fisker needs his weekly kick, i guess`
`19:16.07`	`*** kick/#wowace [Fisker-!n=kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten] by Kaelten (it's time... btw, wtf?)`
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`19:16.11`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`19:16.18`	`Fisker-`	`and by weekly you mean daily`
`19:16.27`	`Kaelten`	`and by daily I mean wtf?`
`19:16.32`	`Fisker-`	`wtf indeed`
`19:16.49`	`Valantil`	`So there's no help for PeriodicTable in here?`
`19:16.56`	`CIA-44`	`03profalbert * r77159 10/branches/FuBar_WhoRollFu/ (15 files in 6 dirs):`
`19:16.56`	`CIA-44`	`FuBar_WhoRollFu:`
`19:16.56`	`CIA-44`	`- shows who rolls Greed/Need/Pass on the current Loot`
`19:16.56`	`CIA-44`	`- initial commit`
`19:17.04`	`nevcairiel`	`isnt -2.0 really outdated by now?`
`19:17.08`	`Valantil`	`it is`
`19:17.09`	`nevcairiel`	`tbh i've only ever used 3.0`
`19:17.13`	`Valantil`	`I'm modernizing an ancient addon`
`19:17.19`	`NeoTron`	`Kaelten: wishful thinking`
`19:17.26`	`Valantil`	`2.0 uses a single lua to do all of the work`
`19:17.35`	`Valantil`	`3.1 uses a host of them..and I'm a bit lost`
`19:17.37`	`nevcairiel`	`There were wiki pages describing the changes`
`19:17.37`	`Kaelten`	`NeoTron: huh?`
`19:17.48`	`Valantil`	`WTF is LibSStub, why is the actual PT buried in the tree?`
`19:17.53`	`nevcairiel`	`but i guess they were all lost in the big Kaelten related fuckup of 2007 =P`
`19:17.56`	`Valantil`	`I cannot find such pages`
`19:18.03`	`NeoTron`	`Kaelten: reply to "NeoTron: next to a raid boss?"`
`19:18.37`	`Valantil`	`Also, why does the PT file itself contain no itemids?`
`19:18.47`	`Kaelten`	`NeoTron: um, huh? Is that where the new arena vendor is?`
`19:18.57`	`Kaelten`	`the wishful thinking context made no sense :(`
`19:18.57`	`nevcairiel`	`he is pulling your leg, so to speak`
`19:19.22`	`Kaelten`	`nevcairiel: do you know where it is?`
`19:19.29`	`Valantil`	`All I want is what PT2 had, uncompressed and raidly acessible array of itemids`
`19:19.30`	`nevcairiel`	`no`
`19:19.35`	`nevcairiel`	`but i know where it is NOT`
`19:19.38`	`Valantil`	`If there's a better lib, lemme know`
`19:19.39`	`nevcairiel`	`next to a raidboss 0P`
`19:19.42`	`NeoTron`	`Kaelten: I have no idea where it might be. :)`
`19:19.57`	`Valantil`	`*readily`
`19:20.01`	`Kaelten`	`bah`
`19:20.19`	`nevcairiel`	`Kaelten: next to the S3 vendor in netherstorm..? :)`
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`19:20.53`	`nevcairiel`	`but i have no idea`
`19:20.56`	`Valantil`	`PT 3.1 refers to http://www.wowace.com/wiki/PeriodicTable-3.1/API, but that page doesn't exist`
`19:21.01`	`nevcairiel`	`maybe on the sunwell island`
`19:21.13`	`nevcairiel`	`Valantil: yeah we kinda lost some wiki content :(`
`19:21.28`	`nevcairiel`	`and by we i mean .. nvm :P`
`19:21.32`	`Valantil`	`=\`
`19:21.40`	`Kaelten`	`ya.... just a little`
`19:21.42`	`Kaelten`	`we got a lot of it back`
`19:21.44`	`Kaelten`	`but some of it was never restored`
`19:21.49`	`NeoTron`	`I wonder if there's a useful auto-doc type system that works with lua`
`19:21.55`	`Valantil`	`Well, the missing bit I need led me here...`
`19:21.56`	`Kaelten`	`luadoc`
`19:22.12`	`NeoTron`	`imagine that`
`19:22.18`	`NeoTron`	`might be useful to use for libs at least`
`19:22.28`	`CIA-44`	`03trasher * r77160 10Necronomicon2/Locales/frFR.lua:`
`19:22.28`	`CIA-44`	`Necronomicon2:`
`19:22.28`	`CIA-44`	`- frFR update`
`19:22.29`	`Valantil`	`All I keep getting is that PT 3.1 is an invaild mixin, error from ACE OO`
`19:22.36`	`CIA-44`	`03profalbert 07FuBar_WhoRollFu * r77161 10FuBar_WhoRollFu/Libs/:`
`19:22.36`	`CIA-44`	`FuBar_WhoRollFu:`
`19:22.36`	`CIA-44`	`- externals`
`19:22.42`	`durcyn`	`Valantil: how are you invoking the lib`
`19:22.44`	`NeoTron`	`got his hunter to level 60.`
`19:22.50`	`NeoTron`	`so nice to have an epic mount`
`19:22.54`	`Valantil`	`The same way it was before...`
`19:22.56`	`Valantil`	`lemme find the code`
`19:23.23`	`Valantil`	`oh, and is pt 3.1 compatible with Ace 2?`
`19:23.27`	`durcyn`	`Valantil: LibStub("LibPeriodicTable-3.1")`
`19:23.32`	`Valantil`	`or should I drop in upgrade to Ace3?`
`19:23.32`	`durcyn`	`not AceLibrary`
`19:23.41`	`durcyn`	`nor Ace3, it's not a framework-dependant lib`
`19:23.51`	`Valantil`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:23.53`	`Valantil`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:23.54`	`Valantil`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:24.04`	`NeoTron`	`does anyone have a page listing XP per level for WoW btw?`
`19:24.09`	`Valantil`	`Would upgrading to Ace3 hurt me?`
`19:24.11`	`durcyn`	`local PT = LibStub("LibPeriodicTable-3.1")`
`19:24.15`	`durcyn`	`you can use it with any framework.`
`19:24.19`	`Valantil`	`ok`
`19:24.30`	`Valantil`	`local PT instead of self.PT? It's in a function`
`19:24.56`	`durcyn`	`so? if the local PT is scoped in your addon's namespace, your function will be able to access it`
`19:25.05`	`Valantil`	`k`
`19:25.05`	`durcyn`	`unless you're invoking it from a callback`
`19:25.16`	`Valantil`	`I'm not sure. lol`
`19:25.30`	`Valantil`	`As I said a bit ago, I'm trying to modernize an ancient abandoned addon`
`19:25.53`	`Valantil`	`PT is being called into a function inside of a addon specific lib`
`19:26.02`	`Valantil`	`which function is then used in the main lua`
`19:26.53`	`Valantil`	`I've never worked with Ace before, and it's a bit confusing when I can't find API pages. :P`
`19:27.28`	`profalbert`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/LibStub ?`
`19:28.28`	`Valantil`	`eh`
`19:28.30`	`Valantil`	`lol`
`19:28.59`	`Valantil`	`So PT2 was an Ace2 lib, and PT 3.x is an Ace3 lib?`
`19:29.18`	`durcyn`	`no, there is no such thing as an ace3 lib`
`19:29.26`	`Valantil`	`ok`
`19:29.37`	`durcyn`	`LibStub is a framework-independent library loader that also happens to be used for ace3`
`19:29.39`	`Valantil`	`"Specifically for Ace3 libraries, any library capable..."`
`19:29.57`	`durcyn`	`right, but LS is the only dep you pull in for the library, and it's tiny.`
`19:30.04`	`Valantil`	`ok.`
`19:30.11`	`Valantil`	`It was included with PT3.1`
`19:30.17`	`durcyn`	`as it should be`
`19:30.30`	`Valantil`	`ok`
`19:30.53`	`aestil`	`nevcairiel: did the name of the pet bar in BT4 change?`
`19:31.15`	`nevcairiel`	`possible`
`19:31.22`	`nevcairiel`	`i moved some stuff around`
`19:31.24`	`Valantil`	`So in the addon's toc, I only need to reference the PT lib, or do I need to add a line for libstub too?`
`19:31.30`	`aestil`	`could you help me out here?`
`19:31.35`	`aestil`	`a anchor a panel to that frame`
`19:31.37`	`nevcairiel`	`not right now, no`
`19:31.44`	`*** part/#wowace kalahassi (n=chatzill@p5B0C2406.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`19:32.41`	`NeoTron`	`I think it's cool the ptr patch shows the stormwind harbor being constructed`
`19:32.42`	`Valantil`	`So I need:`
`19:32.46`	`Valantil`	`Libs\LibPeriodicTable-3.1\LibStub\LibStub.lua`
`19:32.47`	`Valantil`	`Libs\LibPeriodicTable-3.1\LibPeriodicTable-3.1\LibPeriodicTable-3.1.lua`
`19:32.55`	`Valantil`	`In the addon's toc?`
`19:33.25`	`Valantil`	`Do I also need all the data addons added as well, instances, rep, etc etc?`
`19:34.34`	`durcyn`	`take a look at http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Mendeleev/embeds.xml for an example`
`19:34.59`	`NeoTron`	`22 slot bag for 1200g`
`19:35.09`	`NeoTron`	`talk about a "let's burn some money before wotlk" bag`
`19:35.23`	`*** join/#wowace DARKGuy (n=DARKGuy@201.211.45.36)`
`19:35.39`	`Valantil`	`There's none of that in my addon's XML`
`19:35.44`	`durcyn`	`NeoTron: they inflated their own economy to trivialize gold farmers, adding in a method of dumping the excess gold is actually smart`
`19:35.56`	`NeoTron`	`not saying it's not`
`19:36.03`	`NeoTron`	`they said they would add some stuff to burn money on`
`19:36.07`	`durcyn`	`Valantil: you don't have to do it in embeds.xml, you can use toc, but those ar ethe files you want`
`19:36.13`	`Valantil`	`ok`
`19:36.14`	`durcyn`	`are*`
`19:36.18`	`NeoTron`	`I just can't decide if it's worth it for me`
`19:36.26`	`durcyn`	`i thought you played a warlock`
`19:36.29`	`CIA-44`	`03philosound 07philosound * r77162 10Poppins/Poppins/ (5 files in 2 dirs):`
`19:36.29`	`CIA-44`	`Poppins:`
`19:36.30`	`CIA-44`	`- Tooltip options`
`19:36.30`	`NeoTron`	`I do`
`19:36.35`	`durcyn`	`then it's worth it`
`19:36.38`	`NeoTron`	`I just got all 20 slot bags`
`19:36.44`	`NeoTron`	`but I'm also the tank warlock`
`19:36.54`	`NeoTron`	`which means I have more sets of gear to carry about`
`19:37.16`	`Valantil`	`This addon used a bunch of Ace libs...some of which kinda elude me as to their function`
`19:37.29`	`genetik-`	`i decided that it's not worth it to me to buy the 22 slot bags.. they're probably going to be quest rewards in the expansion anyways, and i'm not hurting for space right now`
`19:37.40`	`Valantil`	`For example, Mertognome.`
`19:37.44`	`Valantil`	`*Metrognome`
`19:37.46`	`*** join/#wowace dylanm (n=dylanm@c-98-224-225-196.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)`
`19:37.59`	`durcyn`	`metrognome is highly deprecated, what addon is it?`
`19:38.09`	`Valantil`	`All I know about it is, I had to update it for 2.3 because this addon stopped working due to the addon trying to load timers`
`19:38.14`	`Valantil`	`This is Venantes`
`19:38.21`	`Valantil`	`Last public release was for WoW 2.0.0`
`19:38.34`	`Valantil`	`I've been updating and tweaking here and there since then and it still works..`
`19:38.46`	`Valantil`	`but I'm missing a lot of data, so I finally decided it was time to overhaul it`
`19:38.47`	`NeoTron`	`wait, when one of the eredar twins does, the other one resets to full health?`
`19:38.52`	`durcyn`	`yes`
`19:39.03`	`NeoTron`	`interesting`
`19:39.32`	`NeoTron`	`so much for having some excess (due to threat constraints) dps go to the other twin`
`19:39.51`	`durcyn`	`6/17 22:26:03.562 SPELL_HEAL,0xF13000624E0026D1,"Grand Warlock Alythess",0xa48,0xF13000624E0026D1,"Grand Warlock Alythess",0xa48,45366,"Empower",0x1,6000000,nil`
`19:39.54`	`durcyn`	`6/17 22:48:58.015 SPELL_HEAL,0xF13000624E002BC3,"Grand Warlock Alythess",0xa48,0xF13000624E002BC3,"Grand Warlock Alythess",0xa48,45366,"Empower",0x1,6000000,nil`
`19:39.55`	`NeoTron`	`I use ShardAce and it still uses metrognome`
`19:39.59`	`NeoTron`	`kind of sad`
`19:40.00`	`durcyn`	`thusly.`
`19:40.02`	`NeoTron`	`nod`
`19:40.06`	`NeoTron`	`I trust`
`19:40.10`	`NeoTron`	`it to be correct`
`19:40.13`	`Valantil`	`What do I replace Metrognome with?`
`19:40.33`	`Valantil`	`BTW, Venantes uses:`
`19:40.36`	`Valantil`	`Libs\Babble-Spell-2.2\Babble-Spell-2.2.lua`
`19:40.38`	`Valantil`	`Libs\Compost-2.0\Compost-2.0.lua`
`19:40.39`	`Valantil`	`Libs\Dewdrop-2.0\Dewdrop-2.0.lua`
`19:40.41`	`Valantil`	`Libs\Gratuity-2.0\Gratuity-2.0.lua`
`19:40.42`	`Valantil`	`Libs\LibFuBarPlugin-3.0\LibFuBarPlugin-3.0.lua`
`19:40.44`	`Valantil`	`Libs\Metrognome-2.0\Metrognome-2.0.lua`
`19:40.45`	`Valantil`	`Libs\Tablet-2.0\Tablet-2.0.lua`
`19:40.49`	`durcyn`	`notice the amount though, NeoTron, 6 million =(`
`19:40.52`	`durcyn`	`Valantil: use pastey please`
`19:40.52`	`Valantil`	`I'm responsible for updating it to Fubar 3`
`19:40.58`	`NeoTron`	`yeah`
`19:40.58`	`Valantil`	`I did`
`19:41.02`	`durcyn`	`no, pastey.net`
`19:41.05`	`Valantil`	`Chatzilla does it that way`
`19:41.08`	`NeoTron`	`definitely a full heal`
`19:41.08`	`Valantil`	`oh`
`19:41.33`	`Valantil`	`Shouldn't need to paste anything that big again though`
`19:41.42`	`NeoTron`	`for future reference`
`19:41.45`	`Valantil`	`kk`
`19:41.50`	`Valantil`	`Apologies`
`19:42.06`	`durcyn`	`anyway, why do you need FBP-3`
`19:42.06`	`Valantil`	`I've not been using IRC for...hmm..6-7 years?`
`19:42.19`	`durcyn`	`FBP-2 works fine with FuBar 3, and you don't have to pull in Rock crap`
`19:42.41`	`Valantil`	`Because I'm updating everything to begin extending the addon..`
`19:42.43`	`NeoTron`	`durcyn: FBP-2 depends on ace2?`
`19:42.43`	`durcyn`	`it's most assuredly not a drop-in replacement`
`19:42.49`	`durcyn`	`he's already using ace2?`
`19:42.54`	`Valantil`	`Using Ace2`
`19:43.02`	`cncfanatics`	`WTB LibStub fubar thingy ?`
`19:43.03`	`NeoTron`	`using ace2 def use fbp2`
`19:43.13`	`NeoTron`	`cncfanatics: that's what fbp3 is, at least on some branch`
`19:43.18`	`durcyn`	`hm, what ever happened to FBP3-mod branch`
`19:43.20`	`NeoTron`	`Omen and Magic Targets uses it`
`19:43.36`	`NeoTron`	`it's not perfect. For example it doesn't work with the ace2 version of FuBar`
`19:43.41`	`Valantil`	`Ah, that reminds me, a bit off topic, but WHY does my raid have to update Omen every raid?`
`19:43.47`	`Valantil`	`Pisses em off`
`19:43.47`	`NeoTron`	`Valantil: they dont?`
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`19:43.58`	`Valantil`	`They do, or we notice people not showing up`
`19:44.11`	`NeoTron`	`Omen barely changes atm`
`19:44.14`	`NeoTron`	`or rather, threat`
`19:44.22`	`durcyn`	`There's been... one Threat lib update in the past two weeks?`
`19:44.24`	`*** join/#wowace lifetapt (n=lifetapt@adsl-153-197-67.mia.bellsouth.net)`
`19:44.24`	`NeoTron`	`we haven't had to do "forced update" for quite some time`
`19:44.30`	`vithos`	`you must raid like once every few months?`
`19:44.31`	`Valantil`	`Our MT and 2 healers had versions 3 days old, and weren't showing on it last night`
`19:44.48`	`Valantil`	`Updated and they did`
`19:45.40`	`durcyn`	`sounds like they lied to you`
`19:45.59`	`Valantil`	`No, because we were in the raid 3 days prior and they were showing up. :P`
`19:46.17`	`Valantil`	`It's really bizzare`
`19:46.36`	`Valantil`	`Happens to about 4-5 folks who forget to update daily about every week or two`
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`19:47.25`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ`
`19:48.04`	`Valantil`	`Lemme see if I can't get PT 3.1 working, then I'll get back with any fuirther problems`
`19:48.36`	`durcyn`	`it should be a drop-in replacement, depending on what calls it's using`
`19:48.39`	`aestil`	`whats the mod that tells you the name of a frame when you mouse over it?`
`19:48.42`	`Valantil`	`Just quick Q first...`
`19:48.46`	`wlx`	`excuse me, but is there any topic related to some bug happening with wowace updater or i am alone having issue with it ?`
`19:48.51`	`vithos`	`aestil: devtools`
`19:48.55`	`vithos`	`~devtools`
`19:48.56`	`purl`	`Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet?`
`19:48.59`	`Valantil`	`Libs\LibPeriodicTable-3.1\LibStub\LibStub.lua needs to be in the addon's toc?`
`19:49.16`	`durcyn`	`Yes, you need to load LibStub before you can use it to load LPT`
`19:49.19`	`Valantil`	`k`
`19:49.29`	`Valantil`	`lemme give this a shot`
`19:50.44`	`wlx`	`excuse me, but is there any topic related to some bug happening with wowace updater or i am alone having issue with it ?`
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`19:51.00`	`Valantil`	`Operator Error. :P`
`19:51.10`	`wlx`	`:(`
`19:51.40`	`Valantil`	`Ok, if Ace2 is fine to use, why was Ace3 made?`
`19:51.45`	`Valantil`	`Couldn't find that info anywhere either`
`19:52.19`	`Valantil`	`PT3.1 is working. :)`
`19:52.26`	`Valantil`	`and the bag lag from 3.0 is gone`
`19:52.33`	`aestil`	`what is the slash command to see the frame names with devtools?`
`19:52.39`	`vithos`	`Valantil: a very vague answer is because "works" isn't the same as "couldn't be better"`
`19:52.47`	`vithos`	`aestil: /dtframestack`
`19:53.01`	`durcyn`	`grep SLASH DevTools/*.lua imo`
`19:53.02`	`Valantil`	`Vithos, I figured as much, so what makes Ace3 BETTER than 2?`
`19:53.31`	`vithos`	`Valantil: did you read http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Ace3 ?`
`19:54.07`	`Valantil`	`AH..nice read`
`19:54.13`	`Valantil`	`Hmm...`
`19:54.21`	`Valantil`	`PT 3.1 is still missing the info for Naruu Rations`
`19:55.21`	`aestil`	`lol, it went from BT4BarPet`
`19:55.26`	`aestil`	`to BT4BarPetBar`
`19:55.46`	`nevcairiel`	`the names are autogenerated`
`19:55.48`	`nevcairiel`	`and dont matter`
`19:55.49`	`nevcairiel`	`:)`
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`19:56.00`	`aestil`	`yeah`
`19:56.22`	`aestil`	`they matter.`
`19:56.24`	`aestil`	`just not to you.`
`19:57.05`	`Valantil`	`ooo..I could replace Metrognome with AceTimer-3.0?`
`19:57.17`	`Valantil`	`Or am I mssing the point of Metrognome?`
`19:57.36`	`durcyn`	`metrognome was a misguided attempt at librarifying onupdate handlers`
`19:57.46`	`Valantil`	`k.`
`19:57.51`	`Valantil`	`Got a better one?`
`19:58.00`	`Valantil`	`or a better method?`
`19:58.41`	`Valantil`	`It generates errors often, usually looking like: Metrognome-2.0: A timer with the name "xxxx" already exists`
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`20:04.20`	`Valantil`	`Hmm Tekkub seems to ahev written most of this stuff`
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`20:05.13`	`Valantil`	`Anyone know how to add new items to the PT 3.1 files?`
`20:05.21`	`Valantil`	`They all say not to edit them manually`
`20:08.54`	`philosound`	`well, thereÂ´s a dataminer.lua inside PT3.1, but thatÂ´s all I can say about that :(`
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`20:11.19`	`Valantil`	`ic`
`20:11.29`	`Valantil`	`no idea what to do with it either`
`20:11.40`	`erikh`	`hey folks, is there someone with intimate pitbull knowledge in here?`
`20:12.03`	`erikh`	`just a usability question, I don't want to monopolize anyone's time`
`20:12.16`	`philosound`	`like unsuccessfully writing a module? thatÂ´d be me ;)`
`20:13.45`	`erikh`	`philosound: I apologize.. it's more mundane than that. I just am curious why my export layout options are greyed out.`
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`20:16.57`	`philosound`	`I wish I could tell actually..`
`20:17.48`	`philosound`	`IÂ´ve been highly unsuccesull using layouts too unfortunately`
`20:19.04`	`erikh`	`damn.`
`20:19.06`	`erikh`	`ok, thanks for your time`
`20:27.24`	`CIA-44`	`03funkydude * r77163 10BasicComboPoints/Locales/frFR.lua: BasicComboPoints: minor bugfix`
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`20:30.01`	`Valantil`	`Can I load Ace3 as a normal addon and have it be availible to everything, and would doing so save memory when I have man addons using it?`
`20:30.10`	`Valantil`	`*many`
`20:31.00`	`NeoTron`	`dumb question perhaps but how the heck do you create a link on the blizzard forums?`
`20:31.08`	`NeoTron`	`no markup doesn't work and [url] doesn't work?`
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`20:31.35`	`Valantil`	`I can't recall offhand`
`20:31.47`	`Valantil`	`I thought it was [url=theurl]sometext[/url]`
`20:32.20`	`Valantil`	`I've been avoiding the wow forums for awhile`
`20:32.26`	`Valantil`	`Got fed up with the hordes of idiots`
`20:34.34`	`NeoTron`	`maybe they removed the ability to make links`
`20:34.35`	`philosound`	`Valantil: ThatÂ´s loading Ace3 disembedded - the WAU Updater supports this, and thereÂ´s an Ace3 folder on files.wowace.com`
`20:34.48`	`NeoTron`	`to avoid all the phising, trojan etc links`
`20:35.01`	`philosound`	`it just saves file space actually ;)`
`20:35.06`	`NeoTron`	`saves load time`
`20:35.12`	`NeoTron`	`but no real difference on memory`
`20:35.14`	`Valantil`	`ok`
`20:35.19`	`Valantil`	`load time would be good`
`20:35.27`	`Valantil`	`I've got some 70 or so addons`
`20:35.35`	`Valantil`	`takes 3-4 mins to load wow`
`20:35.39`	`philosound`	`you use WAU?`
`20:35.43`	`Valantil`	`not yet`
`20:35.55`	`Valantil`	`I have too much old an antiquidated stuff to use it yet`
`20:35.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`"Let me get this straight...That woman over there was trying to get to her balls that were inside the knees of that black kid who's father is a dolphin?"`
`20:36.01`	`Valantil`	`Afraid to break things`
`20:36.21`	`philosound`	`well, thatÂ´s entirely possible ;)`
`20:36.40`	`philosound`	`why not back up your entire addons folder - then youÂ´ll see`
`20:36.40`	`Valantil`	`:P`
`20:36.54`	`Valantil`	`I'd rather finish modernizing stuff`
`20:37.11`	`Dashkal`	`NeoTron: Unless something changed, url linking is still blocked on their forums (only works in sigs) thanks to the flash exploit`
`20:37.25`	`Valantil`	`I'm trying to modernize, extend and cleanup. Also, trying to move functionality out of other addons into a few key ones of which I'm the only maintaner`
`20:37.57`	`Valantil`	`Venantes is one of those key addons, actually, the entire set of sphere addons I've made are`
`20:38.20`	`Valantil`	`Venantes is the only one I didn't make.`
`20:38.31`	`Valantil`	`It was designed to be very modular`
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`20:38.44`	`philosound`	`well, wau wonÂ´t overwrite anything that isnÂ´t on wowace by default`
`20:38.51`	`Valantil`	`Copy the addon, make a new name, change the spell and class specific info in it and wham..new class addon`
`20:39.04`	`Valantil`	`I know`
`20:39.48`	`Vulcanus`	`Cryolysis 3 is currently in development and will be a sphere addon that works for all classes ;p`
`20:39.48`	`Valantil`	`I'm building around FuBar, the sphwere addons and Xperl`
`20:39.57`	`Valantil`	`Really?`
`20:40.03`	`Vulcanus`	`ye its in branches atm`
`20:40.04`	`Valantil`	`Too bad.,..beat ya to it. :P`
`20:40.11`	`Valantil`	`I have all 9 classes.`
`20:40.18`	`Valantil`	`Just need to get the core of it updated`
`20:40.35`	`NeoTron`	`so the world is about to fall apart`
`20:40.38`	`Vulcanus`	`ye but we use modules and aim to make a better menu system as well as being more streamlines`
`20:40.40`	`Valantil`	`heh`
`20:40.49`	`NeoTron`	`we got an app from a hunter who seems capable of doing dps`
`20:40.59`	`memeyou`	`is still cheering on cryo2`
`20:41.01`	`philosound`	`theyÂ´re real?`
`20:41.02`	`Valantil`	`Yeah, right now the addons for each class stand alone, as does the sphereloader`
`20:41.03`	`philosound`	`;P`
`20:41.16`	`Valantil`	`<< Is a hunter that can DPS`
`20:41.23`	`Valantil`	`I'm my guild's Survival hunter though`
`20:41.41`	`NeoTron`	`Valantil: we've had such hunters. have one left`
`20:41.42`	`Vulcanus`	`sphereloader? Dont tell me you're the guy who wrote "sabella" or whatever that loader system that was on wowui`
`20:41.43`	`Valantil`	`Also it's progression raid leader..which is an anomoly in itself`
`20:41.47`	`NeoTron`	`but we'ev gotten some really bad apps`
`20:41.50`	`Valantil`	`*I'm a`
`20:41.50`	`philosound`	`thatÂ´s an unusual choice isnÂ´t it?`
`20:42.03`	`Valantil`	`No VUlcanus`
`20:42.42`	`Valantil`	`Sphere Loader is a very tiny custom addon made specifically for Venantes, and sopports a number of other sphere addons`
`20:44.03`	`Valantil`	`bigwigs is an ace addon, right?`
`20:44.12`	`philosound`	`ight`
`20:44.14`	`Valantil`	`kk`
`20:44.30`	`Vulcanus`	`ah well, we looked at other mods when deciding to do Cryo3 and none of them could conform to the menu system we liked from Cryo2 nor could they match us in flexibility so we decided to go for it XD hell it even works without a single class module loaded, then you'll just get a basic sphere that tracks health/mana/energy/rage in whatever way you want it to, 3 customiseable buttons and a mount button that I am almost finished with making s`
`20:44.30`	`Vulcanus`	`mart (ie determining texture and functionality based on your location)`
`20:44.35`	`philosound`	`ace2 atm if i recall right`
`20:44.41`	`Valantil`	`I need to finish my mass of clarification improvements to it I borwwed from DBM and upload em`
`20:45.05`	`Vulcanus`	`ok you said improvement and DBM in the same sentence`
`20:45.09`	`memeyou`	`grat... all the features i disable`
`20:45.17`	`philosound`	`hehe`
`20:45.22`	`Valantil`	`Vulcanus: The Venantes Series can be seen in action at www.amodernpirate.com/1.jpg`
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`20:45.41`	`Valantil`	`and 2.jpg`
`20:46.34`	`Valantil`	`One of it's problems I'm working on too aside from the PT3.1 problem I was having, is getting it to take icons from the game instead of from a folder`
`20:46.58`	`Vulcanus`	`I had problems with PT as well, spellids has a bloody dash in them`
`20:47.02`	`philosound`	`like GetSpellIcon?`
`20:47.07`	`Valantil`	`Catch is, I think the reason that was done originally was because the saved icons have been modified`
`20:47.10`	`Valantil`	`yeah`
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`20:47.58`	`Valantil`	`So I've been thinking to adopt a square form instead of remaining circular`
`20:48.12`	`Valantil`	`It'd allow more room inside too for additional information`
`20:48.22`	`Valantil`	`More rings for example`
`20:48.34`	`Vulcanus`	`you go with square and we'll stick with circle, then we'll let speed and memory efficiency determine the winrar in the end`
`20:48.57`	`Valantil`	`hehe`
`20:49.03`	`Valantil`	`I'm working on it`
`20:49.44`	`Vulcanus`	`gorram it I should be working on cryo as well, mount detection is about 75% done, then I just have to make the macro and do the button texture and its done`
`20:49.56`	`Valantil`	`I've only done it because Venantes was the only shpere addon forever`
`20:50.14`	`Valantil`	`How do you do mount detection?`
`20:50.27`	`Vulcanus`	`PT3.1 table of all mounts then loop through inventory`
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`20:50.44`	`Vulcanus`	`its a real pita for efficiency but we want to avoid people having to input their own shite`
`20:50.47`	`Valantil`	`I chack what the player has in his bags, then put the flying mount on left lcikc, ground mount on right, and wheel is hearthstone..it's configurable though`
`20:51.01`	`Valantil`	`Same deal`
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`20:51.37`	`durcyn`	`you should both give up and use Opie, imo`
`20:51.40`	`Valantil`	`lol`
`20:51.48`	`durcyn`	`once it's actually released =(`
`20:51.56`	`Vulcanus`	`in cryo2 you could put whatever on whatever button, but in Cryo3 Im going to make it so that left click = ground or flying based on [flyable] and right click will be HS, then middle click will be Astral Recall for shamans and nothing for the others`
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`20:52.28`	`Valantil`	`ah`
`20:52.34`	`Vulcanus`	`and I made it so that you can configure what modifier is middle click, alt crtl or ctrl`
`20:52.40`	`Valantil`	`I found having ground and flying NOT automatically changing was better`
`20:52.48`	`Valantil`	`Especially if said player only has normal flying`
`20:53.09`	`Vulcanus`	`that's why Im gonna make a checkbox to disable automatic matching after Ive actually done it`
`20:53.22`	`durcyn`	`http://www.go-hero.net/opie/ in case you were wondering`
`20:53.26`	`Valantil`	`Which accomplishes what?`
`20:53.43`	`Vulcanus`	`revert to what you said there`
`20:53.53`	`Valantil`	`ah, so you have 3 clicks`
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`20:54.25`	`Valantil`	`I'd put Astral Recall as a modclick..`
`20:54.27`	`Vulcanus`	`ye in the event of no automatic matching Ill toss HS from middle click for shamans as I believe AR triggers 15 mins of CD on your hs anyways`
`20:54.34`	`Valantil`	`SHIFT-click on the hearth`
`20:54.44`	`memeyou`	`less talk and more /trunk/`
`20:54.49`	`Valantil`	`lol`
`20:55.03`	`Vulcanus`	`rather have shit working before I toss it in trunk`
`20:55.03`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`20:55.34`	`philosound`	`it doesnÂ´t, theyÂ´re independent`
`20:55.40`	`philosound`	`AR and HS`
`20:55.46`	`Vulcanus`	`well balls`
`20:55.54`	`Valantil`	`Yeah, they are on sep CDs`
`20:56.01`	`Vulcanus`	`maybe Ill just stuff AR then, they can put it on one of their custom buttons if they want`
`20:56.12`	`Vulcanus`	`Im not going to hassle with alt-shift-click, thats just weird`
`20:56.12`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`20:56.17`	`Valantil`	`lol`
`20:56.29`	`Vulcanus`	`itll be like the mac version of cad`
`20:56.36`	`Vulcanus`	`CLOVER LEAF SPACEBAR PERIOD THING`
`20:56.57`	`Valantil`	`The way I did it for the Shaman was the middle click flips out an additional button that has heart and AS on left and right clicks`
`20:57.07`	`Valantil`	`middle clicking the original button makes it go away`
`20:57.36`	`Vulcanus`	`thats one more click than what is needed, imo`
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`20:58.06`	`Valantil`	`shrug options`
`20:58.23`	`vithos`	`why not track the cooldowns and use whichever is appropriate?`
`20:58.41`	`memeyou`	`other addons do is why they say`
`20:58.45`	`Valantil`	`What if both are? use AS isntead?`
`20:59.00`	`Valantil`	`erm..both not on CD that is`
`20:59.14`	`philosound`	`if i have the choice i usually go for ar`
`20:59.33`	`vithos`	`well obviously you're going to choose one to prioritize over the other.. technically you're better off using HS first right?`
`20:59.38`	`philosound`	`i wonder if itÂ´d be wiser the other way round if i think about that...`
`20:59.51`	`philosound`	`iÂ´d think so`
`20:59.58`	`vithos`	`it's a longer cooldown, so better to use it sooner so it can be up again sooner`
`21:00.02`	`Valantil`	`BTW, plz tell me how to merge pet with owers with Recount`
`21:00.13`	`Valantil`	`I checked the box I thought did it, but nothing changed`
`21:00.33`	`Valantil`	`Merge pets w/owners didn't do a thing`
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`21:00.46`	`vithos`	`pretty sure merge pets is on by default`
`21:00.58`	`Valantil`	`turning it on or off does nothing`
`21:01.01`	`Valantil`	`for me`
`21:01.16`	`vithos`	`i don't use recount anymore so i'm not sure, maybe the option only affects new data?`
`21:01.29`	`philosound`	`i would guess so too`
`21:01.35`	`vithos`	`or maybe it's just broken`
`21:01.45`	`philosound`	`thatÂ´s another option ;)`
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`21:02.54`	`Valantil`	`Ah..I see`
`21:03.02`	`Valantil`	`I had to completely delete Recount`
`21:03.08`	`Valantil`	`then install the latest`
`21:03.16`	`Valantil`	`I must had a bugged version`
`21:04.37`	`Valantil`	`How can I get Recount to show the raid's DPS on a given target?`
`21:04.45`	`Valantil`	`like I could with SWstats?`
`21:05.03`	`Valantil`	`I could see incoming DPS on NPCs`
`21:05.35`	`NeoTron`	`in the config UI you can pick to display NPC data`
`21:06.45`	`Valantil`	`WTB tooltips in rcount`
`21:06.49`	`Valantil`	`ugh`
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`21:11.28`	`Valantil`	`in the NPC group, non-trivial are elites, or are they ones around you level, ergo, not grey?`
`21:11.28`	`Xinhuan`	`you can click on the cogwheel, go to one of the tabs to display a raid DPS real time graph`
`21:11.43`	`Valantil`	`Yeah, I saw that, but it doesn't display DPS vs a given target`
`21:11.58`	`Xinhuan`	`think you're out of luck if you want to go into such specific detail`
`21:11.58`	`Valantil`	`What if we're AoEing down Muerlocs for example? :P`
`21:12.06`	`Valantil`	`I found the way to do it`
`21:12.21`	`Xinhuan`	`but i'll suggest trying Damage taken or something ;p`
`21:12.28`	`Xinhuan`	`and showing NPCs in it`
`21:14.57`	`Valantil`	`was trying that..not showing up`
`21:15.21`	`Valantil`	`lol..was showing, but not recording any datsa. :P`
`21:16.27`	`NeoTron`	`So M'uru is one of those fights where everyone needs to be top of the line to even try the fight - i.e similar to how vashj was - if you weren't buffed during tries, you likely would fail phase 2`
`21:16.37`	`Valantil`	`hmm..`
`21:16.40`	`NeoTron`	`I guess you can work with muru where dps is simply ignoring M'uru to learn the other aspects`
`21:16.42`	`Valantil`	`Showing now, problem is...`
`21:17.03`	`Valantil`	`It only shows dmg taken and the % of the total..no DPS`
`21:17.35`	`NeoTron`	`is there no option for DtPS?`
`21:17.40`	`NeoTron`	`DTPS rather`
`21:17.42`	`Valantil`	`I suppose what I need is a DPS taken`
`21:17.56`	`Valantil`	`I only see Damage Done, DPS, and Damage Taken`
`21:18.02`	`Valantil`	`No DTPS`
`21:18.28`	`Valantil`	`And I wish I could configure the filters on a per tab bassis`
`21:18.34`	`Valantil`	`like SWstats allows`
`21:18.44`	`Valantil`	`It's just SWstats is less accurrate than recount`
`21:19.47`	`Valantil`	`..or add custom pages`
`21:21.47`	`Valantil`	`Also, WTB RecountFu`
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`21:23.31`	`vithos`	`http://files.wowace.com/FuBar_RecountFu/`
`21:23.47`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
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`21:24.06`	`Vulcanus`	`I take paypal`
`21:24.30`	`Valantil`	`lol`
`21:24.32`	`Valantil`	`thanks`
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`21:26.47`	`Megalon`	`oh`
`21:28.17`	`Megalon`	`someone in here who is responsible for RBM`
`21:28.27`	`Valantil`	`Tryingt to look at how to add another page to Recount for DPTS`
`21:28.51`	`Megalon`	`found a way to crash my wow, from the config window`
`21:29.16`	`NeoTron`	`http://tinyurl.com/5sjxz6 itneresting, thottbot still bears wowhead.com`
`21:29.44`	`DARKGuy`	`Megalon: whee, how? :D`
`21:30.19`	`Gary1`	`NeoTron: Quantity > quality in this case.`
`21:30.43`	`Gary1`	`There's still a lot more people that use thott`
`21:30.53`	`Megalon`	`DARKGuy: with the config for the cooldown watch plugin`
`21:30.54`	`Gary1`	`not really that shocking :P`
`21:31.05`	`NeoTron`	`it is to me`
`21:31.17`	`NeoTron`	`since wowhead ws so clearly superior than thottbot when it first came out`
`21:31.17`	`DARKGuy`	`Megalon: ouch :(`
`21:31.21`	`DARKGuy`	`shall try it at home :D`
`21:31.43`	`Megalon`	`reproducable :x`
`21:32.24`	`Megalon`	`well, i'll post it in the rbm thread, after naxx, if there is a rbm thread :>`
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`22:51.25`	`CIA-44`	`- koKR Update`
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`23:04.10`	`CIA-44`	`- Auch/Ikiss: Fix icon for the poly`
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`23:30.41`	`Josh_Borke`	`who?`
`23:31.21`	`abug`	`when?`
`23:31.50`	`abug`	`oh nm you're an owl`
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`23:34.32`	`abug`	`is there any documentation for ace3 other than on wowace and the sparse amount in comments?`
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`23:41.08`	`Josh_Borke`	`no, but you can ask`
`23:41.11`	`Josh_Borke`	`what is your question?`
`23:41.26`	`Josh_Borke`	`the code was intentionally split up and kept simple so it would be easy to understand`
`23:41.39`	`Josh_Borke`	`AceGUI / AceConfig not withstanding`
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`23:41.56`	`abug`	`ah AceGUI is actually what I was wondering about`
`23:42.13`	`Josh_Borke`	`look at how others do it`
`23:42.23`	`abug`	`which addons have used it?`
`23:42.35`	`durcyn`	`start with AceConfigDialog`
`23:42.44`	`abug`	`ah thank you`
`23:42.51`	`Josh_Borke`	`that's going to end badly imo ;-P`
`23:43.44`	`abug`	`http://ace3.net/ is what I see when I look at AceGUI`
`23:44.26`	`Josh_Borke`	`lol`
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`23:50.58`	`DARKGuy`	`lmao`
`23:51.08`	`DARKGuy`	`that's some skillz yo`
`23:51.18`	`DARKGuy`	`wish I could throw out people like that`
`23:51.20`	`DARKGuy`	`>:D`
`23:56.24`	`DARKGuy`	`rofl! -> http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1663/wowscrnshot062008171031dm7.jpg`
`23:56.48`	`Camci`	`lol`
`23:56.55`	`ckknight`	`DARKGuy: I didn't think you could mount and be in shapeshift form at the same time...`
`23:57.37`	`DARKGuy`	`ckknight: yeah, that's what the guy who posted the screenshot was puzzled about`
`23:58.02`	`DARKGuy`	`funny tho, boomkin + raptor = boomraptorkin ? :P`

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