IRC log for #wowace on 20080604

00:00.33breserEllipsis: Heya.
00:01.38Ellipsisy helo thar
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00:08.35cubicoolEllipsis: Anything else you can think of I can try?
00:09.46KnaledgeIs there any really close replacement addon for FluidFrames?
00:10.00KnaledgeIt doesn't allow me to move the bags anymore
00:10.00Ellipsisnope; whatever's in the edge pixel is potentially going to bleed out and there's nothing you can do but make that pixel invisible
00:11.48NivFreakman
00:11.59NivFreakWWS is such a piece of shit now
00:12.14Knaledgehow so?
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00:14.21CIA-4203apoco * r75950 10RBM_AbilityWatch/RBM_AbilityWatch.lua:
00:14.21CIA-42RBM_AbilityWatch:
00:14.21CIA-42- Added new way of selecting what information is shown. Need feedback. All old spell tracking settings will be reverted upon login.
00:14.32Ackissaroz! nooooo /cry
00:14.50cubicoolEllipsis: Ah, i think we're talking about different things. I just put the borders on the extremeties of the "edge squares" and got some serious bleeding... I as already using 2 pixels of transparent space. It looks like this is the best I'm gonna' get then. :)
00:15.37Ellipsiswell, you can always play with your eyes closed if it bugs you too much :P
00:16.58KnaledgeWho maintains Fubar_PoisonReminderFU?
00:17.19KnaledgeIt isn't applying offhand poisons anymore
00:17.29Knaledgeand I'm wondering if the argument has changed
00:19.40CIA-4203ackis * r75951 10WelfareEpics/WelfareEpics.lua:
00:19.40CIA-42WelfareEpics:
00:19.40CIA-42- Added some more debugging
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00:26.49CIA-4203apoco * r75952 10RBM_DrumWatch/DrumWatch.lua: RBM_DrumWatch: -- Added toggle to disable announcing who is next in the drum order (30+ seconds before they drum)
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00:31.48NivFreakok
00:31.58NivFreakso after going through our archimonde logs
00:32.03NivFreak17 people failed at least once
00:32.07NivFreakthat's so fucking painful
00:32.45EllipsisI'm glad I'm not in your raid
00:33.07NivFreakwell, I can see one mistake
00:33.10NivFreakto contrast
00:33.15NivFreakonly 4 people made more than 1 mistake
00:33.29NivFreak2 of which I had removed from the raid by the end of the night
00:33.39NivFreakanother I knew I should have
00:33.44NivFreakbut second guessed myself
00:33.50NivFreakand the other really suprises me
00:34.14Ellipsismaybe they were just having an off night?
00:34.50NivFreakwell, it was a rogue
00:35.10NivFreakand certainly it can be a bitch for melee when people kite a doomfire over them
00:35.13NivFreakthey don't get a lot of reaction time
00:35.31NivFreak2 craters though...
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00:38.10durcyn~seen starlon
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01:04.55Halurhello
01:04.57XelopherisHello.
01:05.07HalurI have a quick question
01:05.34Haluris there any function that can tell you if you can use an item given the itemlink?
01:06.27Ellipsissomething like, say, IsUsableItem()?
01:06.43Ackiswheee I might be able to test out kalecgoshealth tonight lol
01:06.53Haluryes, Ellipsis
01:07.39Halurbut that one was returning nil on items I didn't have in my inventory or bag, like somethign of the AH
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01:08.50NivFreakdo any of you guys use a high BV tank for RoS suffering?
01:10.36Ackishttp://fin.instinct.org/aceupdates/since/lastmonth/AckisRecipeList kinda cool
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01:12.55CIA-4203apoco * r75953 10RBM/ModuleClasses/Boss.lua: RBM: UnitBuff nil error fixed.
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01:14.15chewsocksis theres a nice carto quest objectives combined db out there or is there a better mod for that?
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01:27.01Ackiswell a problem with bigwigs_kalecgos health... it requires other people to use it :P lol but it works like a mofo
01:28.35QuantumDeltakalecgos health? Oo
01:28.44QuantumDeltaI appear to have missed this addon
01:29.14chewsocksdoes anybody know?
01:30.04DashkalTourguide?  Not sure, I don't use one.
01:30.30Chomperschewsocks: tourguide + mobmap
01:31.16Ellipsisdepending on your needs, I'd say lightheaded is a bit more flexible
01:31.21Ackisping antiarc
01:33.01chewsocksi just want something that makes it easy for me to see where to go to do quests so i can knock them out and move on to the next without looking them all up on thottbot
01:33.11Chompersmobmap
01:33.26chewsocksok thanks
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01:34.25Xelopheris8/8 club, hells yeah
01:35.03Ackisgrats
01:35.10Ackisgot my first sunwell offspec loot today
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01:36.34CIA-4203next96 * r75954 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ARLLocals-koKR.lua:
01:36.34CIA-42AckisRecipeList:
01:36.34CIA-42- Update locale koKR
01:37.21chewsocksis that an ace addon?
01:37.28XelopherisAckis, I had 7/8 boomkin and resto too
01:37.37Xelopherisjust boots never drop
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01:38.43Ackiswhat is an ace addon?
01:38.50Ackisxel: conq never drops for us
01:39.47chewsocksmobmap
01:43.39CIA-4203cwdg * r75955 10BigWigs_VoidBlastReflect/ (BigWigs_VoidBlastReflect.toc VoidBlastReflect.lua):
01:43.39CIA-42BigWigs_VoidBlastReflect:
01:43.39CIA-42-add zhCN locale
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01:48.34chewsockscant find it on files.
01:48.45dylanmIt's not on wowace, no.
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01:55.30DARKGuyHey, do you need to have Threat-2.0 installed in order to send your threat to others who have Omen or any other threat reading addon, or do you need to have any of those addons to be able to send your threat ?
01:56.28Deloralaif you have Omen2 installed, it should bring thread-2.0
01:56.37Deloralaso no need to manually install thread-2.0
01:57.10DARKGuyThat's true :) but I'm making a guild pack, and the GM wants to keep it real short on folders, so if I supply Threat-2.0 will it work, for others (like me) who have Omen?
01:57.16dylanmYeah.
01:57.24Deloralayes^^
01:57.26dylanmBut it'll be really stupid.
01:57.30DARKGuySweet, thanks :D
01:57.33DARKGuyWhy dylanm ?
01:57.41Deloralaso some use ktm or nothing at all?
01:57.53Deloralajust include Omen2 and u're all done^^
01:58.10DARKGuyDelorala, some don't use any threat meter :/
01:58.25Deloralaso then force it upon them!
01:58.31Deloralajust include omen
01:58.45dylanmI guess it's better than the alternative.
01:59.01DARKGuyActually that was my idea, to give everyone a threat meter >_>
01:59.08DARKGuybut no, the GM wants a barebones package
01:59.10DARKGuy:@
01:59.17vithosa threat meter is bearbones.
01:59.20Deloralaist just the Omen folder
01:59.26DARKGuythat's what I said ><
01:59.27DARKGuyyeah
01:59.32DARKGuyI'm still trying to convince him lol
01:59.34Deloralathread-2.0 is located within omen
01:59.34dylanmBut a lot of roles benefit from seeing a threat meter.
01:59.50vithosand there's no interoperability between KTM and Omen anymore
01:59.56vithosso it's kinda important everyone uses the same thing
02:00.40Neyait simplifies things if everyone has it, and also, they can't blame the fact of overaggroing due to not knowing how close to the tank they are if you supply them with the threatmeeter ;)
02:00.43vithosif a "guild pack" could have only one addon in it... that would be it imo
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02:01.18DARKGuyHeh thank you guys, I have enough arguments to convince him :D
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02:01.45Neyahaha
02:04.28Ellipsisjust to play devil's advocate here...if you give them omen with embedded libs, you run the risk of them turning it off because "<insert class> doesn't need to see a threat meter" and then they won't be broadcasting their threat anymore
02:05.02Ellipsisif it's just threat-2.0 standalone, they won't have to worry about it being in the way because it's invisible to them
02:07.16DARKGuyEllipsis, well it's my idea to give it stand-alone
02:07.23DARKGuyalong with Omen :D
02:08.52Deloralathats perfect, yes^^
02:11.42bleeterDARKGuy: you may wanna mention to your GM that there is/was talk at one stage that WotLK might include a native threat meter of some sort, haven't kept up on 'news' so no idea if that's been canned yet or is still a possibility. from such a point of view, best to get people used to threat meters now and not just have a lib ;)
02:11.57bleetermy 2c
02:13.04DARKGuybleeter, oh yeah I forgot about that, I thought it was mostly a rumor though, not something more "serious" (as to at least being considered as a possibility) ... that's pretty sweet, but yes you're right, it'd be a good idea to get the guild members used to a threat meter ^^
02:13.10DARKGuythanks for that :D
02:14.04bleeterthink it was more an off-the-cuff remark at blizzcon, about what they might bring into the default UI for wrath. think dmg meter, threat meter and some outfitter type things were mentioned as possible
02:16.23DARKGuyheh, that's pretty awesome :D
02:17.35CIA-4203apoco * r75956 10RBM_AbilityWatch/RBM_AbilityWatch.lua:
02:17.35CIA-42RBM_AbilityWatch:
02:17.35CIA-42-Removed RC1 Ace3 dropdown multiselect setting.
02:18.27Kody-http://wow.curse.com/articles/details/10417/
02:21.08CIA-4203rodrick * r75957 10NazGuildWelcomer/Core.lua:
02:21.08CIA-42NazGuildWelcomer:
02:21.08CIA-42- Bugfix on my dewdrop call, DOH!
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02:45.27aestilAntiarc: you know how i was asking for chatter's tab complete to work with /t?
02:46.16Ellipsistickles aestil
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02:48.18aestilEllipsis: i am not ticklish
02:48.49Ellipsissadpanda
02:48.49EllipsisI guess I just have to lick you instead
02:48.49Ackiswoah
02:48.49Ackisi tab in for that...
02:49.18aestilwhats the dog tag for putting how many debuff's are on a target?
02:49.32aestilEllipsis: suck please, not lick.
02:49.52Ellipsis[NumAura("Shiny debuff")]
02:49.55breser>.>
02:50.01Ellipsisand don't you tell me how to do my job
02:51.24aestilare you serious about the shiny debuff?
02:51.32aestilwhy is it shiny debuf?
02:51.46Ellipsisbecause it sounds cooler than picking an actual debuff name for the example
02:52.19aestilso if i just wanted it to put a number in a corner of my frame, that represented the total number of debuffs on that target, THATS what i would type?
02:52.28Ellipsisyup
02:52.44Ellipsisoh wait, the *total* number?
02:53.09aestilyes. TOTAL
02:53.19Ellipsisah, I thought you meant the number of a specific debuff
02:53.30aestilno.
02:53.31aestiltotal debuffs.
02:55.04Ellipsisthen [NumDebuffs]
02:56.02aestiland to hide it if its 0?
02:56.19Ellipsis[NumDebuffs:Hide(0)]
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03:06.25CIA-4203apoco * r75958 10RBM_DrumWatch/DrumWatch.lua: RBM_DrumWatch: Attempt to fix some settings not saving properly.
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03:19.16syerenHmm, what 'Mouse Button' is middle click normally classed as?
03:19.18syeren3?
03:19.59Ellipsison windows, 3
03:21.01syerenOkay, thanks.
03:21.02syerenTease!
03:23.46CIA-4203durcyn * r75959 10Incubator/Core.lua: Incubator: re-enable Shadowsword Assassin timer for twins trash, since one's in the second Commander pack. Should fix missing gauntlet timers.
03:23.53CIA-4203xinhuan * r75960 10Routes/Modules/TomTom.lua: Routes: Fix error caused by change of Astrolabe version used by TomTom.
03:27.18aestilbuu: are you still in pandora
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03:30.47kappaccinostealth licks Ellipsis
03:31.06Ellipsis!
03:31.15kappaccinoanywhoo, is anyone here actually investing in a netbook, subnotebook, umpc, ulpc??
03:31.21kappaccino<-mud :P
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03:33.08CodayusHas anyone used both MorgDKP and DKPMon and have any thoughts on how they compare?  :-)
03:38.19Ordogi dont like the new google favicon -.-
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03:42.41kenlyricOrdog: it's garth brooks' logo
03:43.26Ackis~seen saroz
03:43.43purlsaroz <n=mail@0x5737990e.sdnqu1.broadband.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 8h 37m 5s ago, saying: 'wtf my bigwigs bars are like.. frozen'.
03:43.43Ackislicks himself.
03:43.51AckisPurl you were slow
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04:06.29CIA-4203ackis * r75961 10BadgeWatch/ (. Core.lua):
04:06.29CIA-42BadgeWatch:
04:06.29CIA-42- Use GetRaidRosterInfo to get the raid member name, and only send a tell if they're in groups 1 to 5 (hope this is ok Saroz <3)
04:09.21XelopherisAnyone have a copy of the WoW model viewer handy? the sites DB is fubar
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04:20.14durcynAckis: should build a cache table too, so it doesn't whisper new additions to the raid 2 minutes later
04:20.37Ackiswas thinking about that actually
04:20.59Ackisjust didn't want to
04:21.00Ackislol
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04:39.34GitHub118tourguide: 3Tekkub 7master0 SHA1-980e1a9
04:39.36GitHub118Make note coords toggleable when LH NPC mapping is in use
04:39.38GitHub118http://github.com/tekkub/tourguide/commit/980e1a93e104af89220f79a5d29dcd55b5f6ba5e
04:39.40GitHub118tourguide: 3Steffen Dietz 7master0 SHA1-b13baf2
04:39.42GitHub118If a quest-giver has been mapped by LightHeaded, don't map him again from the notes.
04:39.44GitHub118http://github.com/tekkub/tourguide/commit/b13baf287a73a4922bb76cf5626847321a554bdc
04:39.46GitHub118tourguide: 3Steffen Dietz 7master0 SHA1-0b9fd03
04:39.48GitHub118Updated 60_61_Hellfire_Peninsula
04:39.50GitHub118http://github.com/tekkub/tourguide/commit/0b9fd03fbd76a977c43013eda4a8dd2ac960660b
04:39.52GitHub118tourguide: 3Steffen Dietz 7master0 SHA1-a16e7eb
04:39.54GitHub118Reverted 60_61_Hellfire_Peninsula quest objective swap.
04:39.56GitHub118http://github.com/tekkub/tourguide/commit/a16e7eb4d1691c6acacd2033762dcc02dcde7b98
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05:08.56CIA-4203morgalm * r75964 10Incubator/ (. Core.lua Incubator.toc embeds.xml):
05:08.56CIA-42Incubator:
05:08.57CIA-42- removed a couple unused libs
05:12.03CIA-4203morgalm * r75965 10MorgDKP/ (8 files in 2 dirs):
05:12.03CIA-42MorgDKP:
05:12.03CIA-42- Fix nil alias added through dewdrop
05:12.03CIA-42- Fix for female classnames maybe(let me know)
05:12.04CIA-42- Add waitlist alt tracking (whisper to alt only works if they are in your guild)
05:12.04CIA-42- First time they whisper for waitlist on alt format is “mbid wait mainname” after that they don’t need mainname or if they are already an alt in database
05:12.07CIA-42- WEB: Fix missing alias special character decodes
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06:04.38buuaestil: No
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06:07.03marugreetings - anyone on that could answer a couple questions about Omen?
06:07.45CIA-4203philosound * r75966 10Poppins/Modules/Poppins_ButtonFacadeSkins/Poppins_ButtonFacadeSkins.lua:
06:07.45CIA-42Poppins:
06:07.45CIA-42- BugFix for UnhookAll() Error. You possibly need to disable/reenable the mod for it to work.
06:08.26marui am not sure what changed, but Omen will no longer even bring up the test bars. (will still play the fel nova sound if i exceed the tank's threat) - how should i go about troubleshooting it?
06:09.19Neyacould always try Maru.
06:09.23CIA-4203wattw * r75967 10StatBlocks_Folks/StatBlocks_Folks.lua: StatBlocks_Folks: tooltip formatting
06:10.05marutry what?
06:10.20maruoh i see - thanks ^^
06:10.23marui hope you have some idea
06:10.38NeyaI pressed enter before your question popped up :P
06:12.20maruwhat does it mean when the test bars don't show...?
06:13.27Neyait can mean quite a lot of things really, like the texture is missing, or that the bar itself is missing.
06:14.04Neyayou get no output at all?
06:14.20marunone...
06:14.38maruthe omen window doesn't scale either, to indicate the bars are there but missing a texture
06:14.43maru(not sure that it would though)
06:14.46Deloralalamaru do u use wowaceupdater?
06:14.50maruyes
06:15.09Deloralaladelete omen, clean up saved variables, reinstall
06:15.18Deloralala(using WAU)
06:15.39maruah, heh, a simple idea - should've tried that first. thanks. i'll do so and let you know. ^^
06:16.06Deloralalai mean i'm no expert, but thats what i'd do to troubleshoot^^
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06:16.25Deloralalaits just 2 clicks in WAU (something like that^^)
06:16.58Neyawith no output that is generally the best way to go.
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06:23.13marui am going to erase all my addons and reinstall, as there seems to be some larger problem
06:23.17marubefore i do that
06:23.27maruis there any wowace addon that is like auctioneer?
06:24.34CIA-4203karlthepagan * r75968 10SinkLib/Sink-1.0/Sink-1.0.lua: SinkLib: Compatibility with MikSBT 5.2.8
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06:28.51previouslymarudced...
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06:32.51KarlThePaganwhenever my LibSink-2.0 / SinkLib change pops up... here's the related MikSBT bug: http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=156&a=viewbug&bugid=4566
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06:38.38Poul|Raiderhaha
06:38.46Poul|Raiderlittle spam:
06:38.47Poul|Raider(4,0-80)(4,0-79)(4,0-78)(4,0-77)(4,0-76)(4,0-75)(4,0-74)(4,0-73)(4,0-72)(4,0-71)(29,0-70)(29,0-69)(28,0-68)(28,0-67)(27,0-66)(27,0-65)(27,0-64)(26,0-63)(26,0-62)(25,0-61)(25,0-60)(15,0-59)(14,0-58)(14,0-57)(14,0-56)(14,0-55)(13,0-54)(13,0-53)(13,0-52)(13,0-51)
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06:39.16Poul|RaiderThats from the random in c# .net first number is the .next from lower-upper bound
06:39.33Poul|Raiderwtf, the spreading on those numbers are little
06:39.48HjalteFirst oral exam this year in an hour and I feel terrible :(
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06:43.36previouslymarucurious
06:43.51previouslymarui only have omen, recount, rating buster installed (via WAU)
06:44.07previouslymaruaccording to WoW (hovering over the little latency bar) - all three are loaded
06:44.12previouslymarubut i can't access any
06:44.23previouslymaruvia /command or otherwise
06:44.58previouslymaruis that a familiar problem to anyone?
06:45.18Neyaexternals, wau might have installed them without the libraries.
06:45.24previouslymaruah
06:45.34Neyausually what happens to me anyway.
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06:47.05Arrowmasteryay, 3 hours later i have cable again!
06:47.52previouslymarumany thanks! back in business
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07:19.15CIA-4203starlon * r75970 10StarTip/Libs/: StarTip: Remove TalentGuess-1.0 from externals
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07:21.52CIA-4203starlon * r75971 10StarTip/ (9 files in 2 dirs): StarTip: Hard embed TalentGuess-1.0
07:28.29CIA-4203starlon * r75972 10StarTip/StarTip.toc: StarTip: lua -> xml
07:30.11[Ammo]you can add it to the externals, just don't use X-Embeds for it
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07:31.06starlonWell someone complained
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07:31.18starlonHe didn't want to have to download I guess.
07:31.23[Ammo]because you used x-embeds
07:31.32[Ammo]and someone using WAU without externals etc
07:31.36[Ammo]and it deletes embeds.xml
07:31.37starlonNo I didn't actually
07:31.39[Ammo]hmm
07:31.44[Ammo]well then you referenced it in embeds.xml :)
07:31.48starlonYep
07:32.03starlonMy mistake :)
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07:32.30[Ammo]externals not on the wowace server will always get downloaded
07:32.34starlonOh and TalentGuess-1.0 is full of differing line ends.
07:32.35[Ammo]so you don't have to hard-embed it
07:32.47starlonah
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07:32.57starlonHmm, that'd be better I suppose.
07:33.02[Ammo]you just need to make sure it's not in your embeds.xml bnecause that gets deleted
07:33.08starlonyeah
07:33.16starlonk
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07:50.06CIA-4203starlon * r75973 10StarTip/Libs/ (. TalentGuess-1.0/): StarTip: Revert back to having TalentGuess-1.0 included as an external. Thanks for the info, Ammo
07:51.02sbstarlon: is startip some tooltip addon? are there any screenshots available?
07:51.09CIA-42037destiny * r75974 10OptiTaunt/ (Locale-koKR.lua OptiTaunt.toc):
07:51.09CIA-42OptiTaunt:
07:51.09CIA-42- Added koKR localization
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07:55.03starlonsb: Yes it's a tooltip addon. There are no screenshots, but if you've seen CowTip, that's basically what it looks like.
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08:12.55CIA-4203nikkodemus * r75976 10BuffEnough/ (BuffEnough.lua Frame.lua Locales/Locale-enUS.lua Spells.lua):
08:12.55CIA-42BuffEnough:
08:12.55CIA-42- add ability to track who is casting buffs and whisper missing buffs directly to them
08:12.55CIA-4203whitetooth * r75975 10LibSink-2.0/LibSink-2.0/LibSink-2.0.lua: LibSink-2.0: Fix error
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08:18.51starlon~seen bigzero
08:18.54purlbigzero <n=a@adsl-76-203-12-29.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 107d 10h 39m 11s ago, saying: 'Elsia, maybe pets just got buffed a lot in 2.4 /shrug'.
08:19.04starlonjees
08:20.23Lywellyncan an arena team rating actually get to zero? :3
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08:22.54Diaothe lowest i've seen is like 400some?
08:23.02Diaoyou'd have to really try to get any lower than that
08:25.37Lywellynthat's kinda depressing, actually :'(
08:25.43Lywellynto know that it can even go THAT low. ;_;
08:26.04Diaoi think people do it on purpose
08:26.11Diaothere's no way you can actually be that bad
08:27.19Lywellynwell this week my 2v2 lost eleven straight :(
08:27.38Lywellyn'course it's hard going up against people that have been doing it for a while, and we're just starting out
08:27.58Diaolol
08:28.07Diaoi went 2-8 last week on my alt that JUST hit 70
08:28.10Diaousing like
08:28.16Diaothe blue rep reward pvp gear and level 60 greens
08:28.25Diaoagainst people in near full s3 :\
08:29.15Lywellynhmm
08:29.19Lywellynwonder what happened with us then
08:29.28Diaowell
08:29.41Diaoi'm pretty experienced in arena :P
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08:30.00Lywellynteach me, oh wise sensei
08:30.06Diaomy main's 2s hovers around 1900-2k
08:30.22Diaoand my other alt is 1700s :p
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08:30.53Diaoit's mostly just experience
08:30.58Diaoyou learn a lot by playing games
08:31.20LywellynI'm not sure how
08:31.25Lywellynwhen you get your ass handed to you within ten seconds :3
08:31.28Diaolol
08:31.32Diaodo you have any pvp gear?
08:31.41LywellynI have a couple S1 pieces
08:31.46Diaohow about your partner?
08:32.02LywellynMmm...I'm not sure.  She's about like me:  a couple epics, mostly blues, and one green
08:32.09Diaohmm
08:32.17nevcairielthats why :p
08:32.18Diaowhat comp are you playing?
08:32.37Diaoyou should be able to pull off a couple wins against the bads that got gear from buying points
08:33.02Lywellynwhat do you mean "what comp"?
08:33.09Diaoer
08:33.13Diaoclass makeup
08:33.17Diaoshort for "composition"
08:33.18Lywellynmage/hunter
08:33.25Diaohmm that's pretty difficult
08:33.41nevcairieli love teams without healer
08:33.44Diaoagainst dps/healer just chain cc the healer and burst down their dps
08:33.48Diaosheep into trap
08:34.00Diaoforce a trinket early then imp CS them
08:34.42Diaoagainst double dps you'll have to try and cc one and kill the other
08:34.53nevcairielnot that they wont try the same
08:34.53nevcairiel;)
08:34.59Diaoyeah
08:35.04Diaoeasier against dps/healer
08:35.07Diaofor double dps teams
08:35.19Diaoa lot depends on your timing
08:35.24nevcairieli dont think i've lost against a double dps yet
08:35.27Diaoyou'll also have to be careful with LOS
08:35.28nevcairiel*shrug
08:35.31Diaoplaying as 2 range
08:35.38Diaobut if you're frost you can snare and let the hunter dish out serious damage
08:35.43Diaowhat comp nev?
08:35.52Lywellynfor me being a mage, what would my ideal partner be?
08:35.59Diaorogue probably
08:36.00nevcairieldruid/lock, mostly
08:36.04Diaooh well
08:36.10Diaolosing to double dps is practically impossible as dru/lock
08:36.12Diaotoo much survivability lol
08:36.14odtnevcairiel: what rating
08:36.24nevcairielnone atm
08:36.26nevcairielwe stopped playing
08:36.29nevcairieldue to lack of time
08:36.43odtyeah, same with most of my teams for different chars
08:36.47Vulcanusmoar work on BT4 less pewpew :p
08:36.53odtstill going shadowpriest/rogue 2v2 though
08:37.03CIA-4203starlon * r75978 10StarTip/Modules/ (Appearance.lua Bars.lua):
08:37.03CIA-42StarTip:
08:37.03CIA-42- Fix status bar textures
08:37.03CIA-42- Set scale on shopping tooltips
08:37.16Diaoi play dru/war
08:37.28nevcairieli tried that
08:37.29Diaowe only lose to rogue/mage well played or rogue/healer or rogue/restokin
08:37.30nevcairieldidnt like it
08:37.47nevcairielyou essentially loose against all rogue teams =P
08:37.51Diaonah
08:37.55Diaowe can beat rogue teams by playing well
08:38.00Diaotakes a lot of work on the druid's part though
08:38.08Diaosince warriors can't peel for druid when it's a rogue
08:38.33nevcairielwarriors also tend to hate ice mages
08:38.40Diaoit's not so bad in 2s
08:38.51Diaoyou only really run across mage/rogue for frost mages in 2s
08:38.56Diaoand that's one of the hardest comps
08:39.00Diaobut it loses to non-warr teams
08:39.07Diaoso you don't see too many of them
08:39.29odtsome weeks most of our opponents were mage/rogue
08:39.38Diaoout of uh
08:39.42odtsome other weeks it's dpriest/rogue
08:39.43Diao500 games this season
08:39.50Diaoi've played maybe only 10 against mage/rogue
08:40.06odtas spriest/rogue mage/rogue is like the worst combo
08:40.18odtwe can beat dpriest/rogue quite often though
08:40.24Diaodepensd how they play
08:40.35Diaowhen i play on my dpri alt with rogue
08:40.38Diaowe beat most spri/rog
08:40.49Diaomy rogue stays on their priest
08:40.50Diaoi dispel fears
08:40.54Diaoand i mana burn
08:41.07odtwe've gone for the priest
08:41.11odteven with full s3
08:41.11Diaoi can tank a rogue far better than a spri can tank my rogue
08:41.13odtand win quite often
08:41.24Diaohow can you do anything when pressured by rogue :O
08:41.35odtill dispel rogue's fw, then start dispelling priest
08:41.37odtand silence
08:41.37Diaonone of the spri/rog teams i've come across can do anything with a rogue on them
08:41.42Diaocan't*
08:41.52Diaobut it's ud rogue/pri
08:41.55Diaoso he has 2 fear breaks + fw
08:42.25odtreally he only has 1 fear break, stupid to trinket fear and eat a 10sec blind
08:42.25Diaowell
08:42.27Diaoyeah
08:42.31Diaobut he can clos one if he times it right too
08:42.52odtwell, i'd really say the outcome of that combo depends on how good the rogue is
08:43.15Diaoyeah
08:43.15Diaobasically
08:43.18Diaoif he can stay on priest
08:43.22Diaoi can actually tank their rogue
08:43.24Diaowhile dispelling the priest
08:43.29odtye
08:43.34Diaoand he's too busy trying to stay alive to cast on me
08:43.35Diaoand we win
08:44.14Diaousually i'll PS early if the opposing rogue is putting out a lot of pressure
08:44.17Diaoand then just spam mana burn
08:44.21Diaowith PI up
08:44.47odti've never seen any use for MB in 2s
08:45.00odtour games are far too hectic for that
08:45.10odti'd need like 10 times the gcd's i get
08:45.10Diaoyeah as double dps you don't have much time for mana burn
08:45.15Diaoit's disc priest's job to mana burn :p
08:45.28Diaothat's our main offense
08:45.46odtyeah, but we've never allowed for opposing dpriests to MB either
08:45.54odtso i'm not so sure how you pull it off
08:45.59Diaowell basically
08:46.01Diaoi'm dispelling enemy
08:46.05Diaoand i just start casting MB nonstop
08:46.06Diaoif they kick it
08:46.07Diaoi heal
08:46.10Diaoif not then i get MB off
08:46.20Diaoand between renew/bubble/prom and occasional fear
08:46.28Diaoi can heal enough that i can actually cast MB when i want
08:46.53odtso opposing rogues mostly go for your rogue?
08:46.59Diaono they stay on me
08:47.05Diaobut it's not enough pressure lol
08:47.11Diaothey're always sub rogues
08:48.01odti wish the arena system would allow more targeted practice games
08:48.11Diaotargeted practice?
08:48.17odtbasically you could see the teams who want to play, and invite them to duel
08:48.20Diaooh
08:48.30Diaoi just ask friends who play comps i need practice against
08:48.33Diaoto queue for skirmish at the same time
08:48.36Diaoand we usually play like that
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08:57.44CIA-4203neotron * r75979 10MagicMarker/MagicMarker.lua: MagicMarker: Fixed several bugs related to the recent network sync rewrite.
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09:55.32CIA-4203StiviS * r75981 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ARLLocals-esES.lua:
09:55.32CIA-42AckisRecipeList:
09:55.32CIA-42- esES updated
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10:09.14CIA-4203jerry 07Ace3 * r75983 10Grid/Grid2/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Grid2: remove option tables from the core addon. The LoadOnDemand Grid2Options addon will contain these.
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10:19.53Hjalte~seen jerry
10:20.13purljerry <n=root@202.74.105.113> was last seen on IRC in channel #, 229d 7h 37m 27s ago, saying: 'MSG GreaseMonkey hi.'.
10:20.29HjalteIs jerry, author of Grid2, ever on IRC?
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10:24.24starlonDoes Grid have a MT list in the main addon?
10:26.36AerrStarlon, i beleive its in the raid layout
10:26.42Aerrbut what do i know, im a shaman :P
10:27.00Hjaltestarlon: I know that it didn't use to have at least. But I do know, that there's a module you can get for Grid, that'll show you the MTs.
10:27.17Hjaltestarlon: It might have it by default now.
10:27.40AerrUnder layouts you can choose for it to have 25 + Tanks
10:27.42Aerror such
10:28.20starlonAh
10:28.44starlonA guildie's saying the MT list only shows in-range tanks. was trying to help her out
10:29.23HjalteGirls and addons... Bah. Right Ellipsis? :P
10:29.30Aerrwould it really be usefull to show out of range anyways?
10:29.32Aerr:P
10:30.04starlonWell, you can alert other healers if you notice someone getting low.
10:30.26starlonI know I like to see the entire raid.
10:31.05Aerrpsh. we should know if someones getting low
10:31.19Aerri can stand when someone calls for healing, i can obviously see whos taking dmg >.>
10:31.34Aerrcant*
10:31.43starlonWell she wants to see all the tanks.
10:32.10starlonShe also evaluates recruits.
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10:32.30HjalteDo you HAVE to be an addon author to get a svn account?
10:32.45starlonYou have to have a good reason :P
10:32.57starlonTranslator, addon author, learning, whatever
10:34.01CIA-4203philosound * r75984 10Poppins/Modules/Poppins_ButtonFacadeSkins/Poppins_ButtonFacadeSkins.lua:
10:34.01CIA-42Poppins:
10:34.01CIA-42- include AddSkin(allofem) at OnEnable since we´re missing the first LBFOnUpdate, fix UpdateButtonInsets if button is PopButton
10:34.14KriLL3is it possible that 2 addons that both do part of the same stuff but also a lot of other stuff the other one doesn't have can conflict and crash the game?
10:35.03HjalteKriLL3: If one or both of the addons are badly coded or it's an essential part they are confliction on... Then maybe it could happen.
10:35.52KriLL3Hjalte: both change channel's appearance, etc, it's Prat and Eloquence I'm talking about
10:36.19Hjaltewhat does eloquence do?
10:38.35KriLL3does a lot of the same stuff prat does, colors names after class, adds level, changes the appearance of channels in various ways, but it's main feature and the one I really want to use is that it changes wow jargon and other shorthands into proper sentences, it adds punctuation and large letters where appropriate etc also
10:39.01KriLL3basically it turns "wtb 10x [item]" into "I'd like to purchase 10 of [item]."
10:39.47starlonTry Chatter over Prat
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10:50.21ZetheIn general, how much are state headers used in addon development?
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10:57.13CIA-4203lahow * r75985 10Cartographer_QuestInfo/ (16 files in 3 dirs):
10:57.13CIA-42Cartographer_QuestInfo:
10:57.13CIA-42- tweak quest data format, save some memory
10:57.13CIA-42- update quest data
10:57.13CIA-42- tweak button size and position
10:57.55CIA-4203lahow * r75986 10Cartographer_QuestInfo/Cartographer_QuestInfo.toc:
10:57.56CIA-42Cartographer_QuestInfo:
10:57.56CIA-42- update version
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11:44.07CIA-4203jerry 07Ace3 * r75988 10Grid/Grid2/GridCore.lua: Grid2: remove leftover of options.
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12:33.22CIA-4203feithar * r75989 10FBagOfHolding/ (FItemDB.lua TODO.txt):
12:33.22CIA-42FBagOfHolding:
12:33.22CIA-42- Fixed error that occurred when updating items if an item is not in the client lookup cache and the item details have not been recorded in the FBoH database.
12:35.54CIA-4203feithar * r75990 10FBoH_PeriodicTable/ (FBoH_PeriodicTable.lua FBoH_PeriodicTable.toc Libs/):
12:35.54CIA-42FBoH_PeriodicTable:
12:35.54CIA-42- Fixed addon name in TOC. Added the LibPeriodicTable-3.1-ClassSpell, which had
12:35.54CIA-42been overlooked. Added code so that if no items had been registered with PT
12:35.54CIA-42before the option menu was generated, the filter will try to regenerate it next
12:35.57CIA-42time the menu is displayed.
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13:27.23HjalteDo felguards cleave still break sheep or was it one of the things they did remove?
13:28.44AerrHjalte, it breaks
13:28.58Aerrthe only thing that no longer breaks sheep, is avengers shield
13:29.42CIA-4203jncl 07AmmoMan * r75991 10Jncl/ (AmmoMan.lua Config.lua Utils.lua): AmmoMan: various Bugfixes
13:30.03HjalteThat sucks. It was one of the annoying things about the felguard on trash.
13:31.42AerrMeh
13:31.54Aerrnot much sheeping in BT or hyjal
13:31.57Aerrso i never minded
13:33.42HjalteWe sheep a lot of stuff in BT still
13:34.12Aerrour MT is a prot pally, soooo ya
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13:35.09HjalteOur MT is an idiot, soooo ya.
13:35.33SunTsuHjalte: So is our's
13:35.50SunTsugood player, socially challenged
13:36.10HjalteOur MT is obviously the only player in the guild who knows how to play.
13:36.32profalbertHjalte: you don't?
13:36.56Hjalteprofalbert: Of course not, I'm just a stupid warlock, he's a mighty warrior (...)
13:37.19Tinyboomso what you are saying is that you got
13:37.27Tinyboomwhoops
13:37.28cubicoolHey guys; I'm about to starting looking through Grid to see how it accomplishes this, but I'm looking for a way to use SetBackdrop and guarantee that my Frame is "pixel-aligned"--is this possible? At the moment, I'm getting some strange 2-pixel borders (when it should just be 1) in some sizes and placements...
13:37.38Pkekyo|Hjalte: I'm glad you see things clearly now :p
13:37.56SunTsuHjalte: You might not be on EU, Nozdormu, aren't you? ;)
13:38.04Gnarfozthat's Blizzards UI scaling for you, there probably isn't really a way around it...
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13:38.13HjalteSunTsu: I'm EU alright, but on Dunemaul :)
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13:38.25SunTsuHjalte: Could have been our MT, though ;)
13:38.32cubicoolGnarfoz: Hmm, Grid seems to do it somehow with each of it's square "units"
13:38.38HjalteI bet a lot of people are like that in WoW...
13:38.42cubicoolI'll see if I can figure it out...
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13:39.11TinyboomHjalte: a meatshield with a brain, how intriguing :p
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13:41.40HjalteI wonder how this will do in the expansion http://war-tools.darlinganime.com/index.php?i=warlock2&b=9z0135c301135210150013342010500505001522d1m - Anyone believes in imp-cannon raiding?
13:41.53HjalteIf you don't want to learn about wotlk stuff, don't open link.
13:42.05Pkekyo|I can finally launch those annoying fucking imps with a cannon? :D
13:42.56HjalteUh, yeah... You're a warrior, right?
13:43.15cubicoolBlizzard seriously can't help but make Warlocks retardedly OP at every turn.
13:43.54Tenchworks./cry no rogue talent info yet
13:44.01HjalteAny aoe and the imp goes down. At least that's how it is now.
13:45.51cubicoolHmm, it looks like Grid took the exact same approach to this problem I am... I wonder why it works for them though...
13:49.54SunTsuHjalte: That demon metamorphosis talent may really convince me to switch from affliction to demonology as soon as I have the talent points for it
13:50.13cubicoolI hope you become banishable! :)
13:50.32HjalteSunTsu: It might be fun in pvp, but just worthless in pve. And pve is all I play for :(
13:50.43Gnarfoznever mind war-tools. it's where you can create entirely random talent trees... (yeah, you *could* make legit ones with wotlk as a source, but... THIS IS THE INTERNET PEOPLE!)
13:50.43cubicoolgrumbles about Warlocks, has serious Warlock envy...
13:51.41HjalteGnarfoz: It's a hacked war-tools.
13:52.22SunTsuHjalte: Well, as a last measure after pulling aggro it could make sense, you have full life and more armor
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13:52.55HjalteSunTsu: But it is never going to beat Ruin.
13:52.57AckisWorkgood morning
13:53.57GnarfozHjalte: that's even worse and makes it less trustworty, lol
13:54.39HjalteGnarfoz: http://wotlk.wikidot.com/ is the real deal out of the game files. The hacked war-tools is using talents from there :) Not all descriptions are up to date, but headlines should be alright.
13:55.57Hjaltemorning AckisWork
13:56.08SunTsuHjalte: Sure, Ruin is great, as a damage means, but Metamorphosis seams to be more about survivability
13:56.18Gnarfozstill, you get my point =) if everything is freely configurable, you'd better check doubly before trusting it ^^
13:56.52HjalteSunTsu: Survivability is fine, but unless you die in every fight without it, I'd never take it :)
13:58.16SunTsuHjalte: Well, I'm more the "play it save" kind ;) And you don'r know what abilities the demon has that you become. Maybe it it worth wile
13:59.06HjalteSunTsu: So far, it doesn't seem to have anything that'd make it worth its while. I mean, you might be able to do respectable damage while in demon form, but you already should do great damage as warlock with pet.
13:59.41Ozguliit's an arena spell!
13:59.51Ozgulipanic button, you know
14:00.00OzguliTERMINATOR MODE TURN ON!
14:01.02Lukianagreed, it's an arena ability
14:01.28HjalteSo is Chaos Bolt and so is Cripple. Yay.
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14:02.31SunTsuHjalte: Yeah, that's true. I'll still have a look into it and see whether I like it. Just like I did with the fel guard everybody was recommending ;) Tried it for half a day, went back to afflock
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14:03.15Josh_BorkeSunTsu: same, i tried fel guard but didn't like it
14:03.56CIA-4203ackis * r75992 10BigWigs_KalecgosHealth/BigWigs_KalecgosHealth.toc:
14:03.56CIA-42BigWigs_KalecgosHealth:
14:03.56CIA-42- Updated ToC
14:05.06SunTsuJosh_Borke: The first few minutes it was pure fun, then I realized that the guard can't heal itself like the VW can and this meant more downtime for me, which I despise
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14:07.23CIA-4203jncl * r75993 10Skinner/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
14:07.23CIA-42Skinner: Updated BetterInbox & Outfitter skins
14:07.23CIA-42- removed MailFrame textures
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14:10.07cubicoolpastamancer: When you get a chance, I was wondering if I could ask you a question about Grid...
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14:11.26digmousePM him
14:11.52cubicoolOkay, just didn't want to violate some established etiquette. :)
14:12.05digmouse~seen pastamancer
14:12.24purlpastamancer is currently on #wowuidev (3d 21h 22m 57s) #wowace (3d 21h 22m 57s) #curseforge (3d 21h 22m 57s), last said: 'slick, I've been using BLP Viewer.app v1.3, but quicklook is fancy'.
14:12.24digmouseoh purl is afk
14:12.29pastamancer~asktoask
14:12.30purlThis is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.
14:12.32AckisWorkpurl has been slow lately
14:12.33digmousesee, 3days
14:13.01AckisWorkpats purl on the head
14:13.05AckisWorkGood bot!
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14:18.45CIA-4203ackis * r75994 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList.lua:
14:18.45CIA-42AckisRecipeList:
14:18.45CIA-42- Minor logic fix for filtering out specialities
14:18.45CIA-42- Dry-coded (code runs with luac -p)
14:20.25AckisWorkanyone know the url to the mmo-champion sig generator/armory scanner stuff?
14:22.32CIA-4203ackis * r75995 10AckisRecipeList/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
14:22.32CIA-42AckisRecipeList:
14:22.32CIA-42- Converted PVP flags to new system
14:22.32CIA-42- Dry-coded (code runs with luac -p)
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14:30.07dylanmAckisWork: http://armory.mmo-champion.com?
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14:32.29dylanmDoesn't seem like it works.
14:32.55nevcairielif you dont spread it around, i could give you a link to my own setup of it =P
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14:38.32AckisWorkyah it seems super slow right now =/
14:38.41AckisWorkNev, I just wanted to use the tradeskill listing for my guild
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14:40.35[Liquidor]AckisWork. what do you need?
14:40.44[Liquidor]I can make one in a min
14:40.46nevcairieldoes your web thingy support PMs? =P
14:41.09AckisWorkyes it does
14:41.10[Liquidor]nevcairiel, talking to me?
14:41.11[Liquidor]oh not
14:41.35AckisWorkNev got what I needed
14:41.37AckisWorkty :)
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14:42.27Dark_Elfhttp://www.wowfix.com/article-23938
14:42.44Dark_Elfblizzard changed the death knights again
14:46.03Fisker-heh
14:46.11Fisker-i also thought that the blood talent tree was tanking
14:46.15CIA-4203ackis * r75996 10AckisRecipeList/ (Locals/ARLLocals-enUS.lua RecipeDB/ARL-Alchemy.lua):
14:46.15CIA-42AckisRecipeList:
14:46.15CIA-42- Converted all alchemy recipes to new system. All recipes should be flagged correctly.
14:46.15CIA-42- Localizations need to be updated/modified.
14:46.15CIA-42- Dry-coded (code runs with luac -p)
14:46.17Fisker-so there's definitely room for that
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14:47.55nevcairielthe deathknight currently is a constant flux .. i wouldnt trust any information ;)
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14:49.10Seerahno - most everything for WotLK isn't in stone yet
14:49.32Fisker-besides
14:49.53Fisker-how lame wouldn't it be if trees were replaced with "PVP Tree" "DPS Tree" "Utility Tree"?
14:50.08Fisker-Hopefully it was just some webdesigner who told kaplan to shut the fuck up
14:50.11nevcairielisnt that what you currently have?
14:50.14nevcairieljust with different names
14:50.26Fisker-nevcairiel of course
14:50.35Dark_Elfi think its lame to even have a hero deathknight but oh well
14:50.35nevcairielfor all classes
14:50.36nevcairieli mean =P
14:50.53nevcairielI dont like that idea of a "hero" class
14:51.01nevcairieli would've much rather advanced my own char into a hero
14:51.21nevcairiellike i am druid, i can choose to become one of two druid hero classes
14:51.39nevcairielone focused on feral, one on casts
14:51.52Fisker-I'd rather have then 1. Make it kinda like talents, but "different" or 2. copy your existing character to the "hero class"
14:52.14Fisker-s/then/that/
14:52.17vithosyeah i really don't get the whole "hero class" concept either
14:52.38Fisker-Well they didn't like the idea that people would be losing an old character for a new one
14:52.39nevcairielirreversible one-time choice for my existing char
14:52.41vithosas far as i can tell, "hero class" means "new class that you get a head start leveling"
14:52.42nevcairielthat would be great
14:53.19nevcairielI choose to sacrifice some of my feral abilities to become a more powerful caster/healer
14:53.30Fisker-I think one of the things that has made WoW so great is that your character developement is never fatal to the outcome of your character
14:53.31nevcairielor other way arouind
14:54.12nevcairielwell i would even accept a quest chain to switch your hero
14:54.14nevcairielbut still :P
14:54.32nevcairielnew char is meh
14:54.53Fisker-i almost think it's a hack
14:55.10Fisker-Their system probably doesn't even support upgrading characters to a subclass or new class
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14:55.25nevcairielthey could easily change that with the expansion
14:55.27nevcairieli bet
14:55.40nevcairielthe thing is
14:55.47nevcairielthey would have to do it for all classes at once
14:55.50nevcairielor you get big QQ
14:55.54CIA-4203durcyn * r75997 10Incubator/Core.lua: Incubator: merge r75959 - r75964
14:56.17Dark_Elfwoo half of the downloads got updated, must be a major library change
14:56.34Fisker-hmm
14:56.40Fisker-someone trying to beat the v-tech record
14:56.43Fisker-then we know he's from 4chan
14:57.13nevcairielonly library changing i see is SinkLib
14:57.18nevcairielshouldnt affect that many addons
14:57.38Dark_Elfwell i got alot of addons on que
14:57.49Dark_Elfso alot must use sink
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14:58.50nevcairieloh someone fixed compat with the MSBT Beta version
14:58.52nevcairieldownloads
14:59.04deadlockIs there an addon that would supress all tooltips (bag, fubar etc) unless I mousedover with a key pressed.
14:59.26nevcairielshouldnt be too hard to do, but i dont know one, no
15:00.10deadlockThat sucks. :-(
15:01.33Dark_Elfthis one addon im using when i click on cooking recipe, i swear the tooltip opens up fullscreen talk about a nuisance lol
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15:02.03deadlocki have that same thing sorta i slimmed it down.
15:02.12deadlockMendevele or something like that.
15:02.47deadlockI'd like to have it full, but only when i use a keypress/mouseover. I mean hell i dont have to see what runecloth is used for every time i go to look at it
15:03.08Dark_Elfthen last night i had odd occurance when opened bags i saw new graphics for  some of the tin ore and stuff i craft i was thinking damn!
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15:03.25Gnarfozprofalber1: ping
15:03.48profalber1Gnarfoz: pong
15:05.26Gnarfozprofalber1: you've been keeping Parrot alive nicely, thank you for that firstly ;) secondly, I'm currently leveling a shaman, and on the forums I read somebody asking about 'why do shocks show "elemental combat tree ready!" instead of "Shocks ready!" like they used to?' - now I didn't have a shaman then, but now I am curious and looked at Data\Cooldowns.lua and it has a table of spells with groups assigned to them
15:05.45Gnarfozprofalbert: would it be ok if I add the lower level ranks of the shocks to these groups?
15:06.11profalbertGnarfoz: I thought this trigger works by spellName
15:06.24Gnarfoznot anymore
15:06.30Gnarfozbecause of Babble-Spell's demise
15:06.40Gnarfoz[GetSpellInfo(25464)] = L["Shocks"],  <-- etc
15:06.49Gnarfozthose are specific ranks
15:06.58nevcairielthe name is the same
15:06.59nevcairielthough
15:07.00profalbertGetSpellInfo returns the name of the spell
15:07.07Gnarfozah, hm.
15:07.19GnarfozI don't know how the actual check works, though. I'll try it locally in a minute =)
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15:08.02nevcairieli finally deleted Babble-Spell completly from my system ;)
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15:08.50cncfanaticsyo all
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15:13.46Gnarfoznevcairiel: I would, too, but I'm lazy enough to use an updater, and because some addons are not updated to remove dependencies that aren't even used anymore, I keep getting it xD
15:14.09profalbertGnarfoz: jwu deletes unused dependencies
15:14.15nevcairielyou should just disable it ingame
15:14.19Gnarfozit's not unused though, that's what I'm saying
15:14.20nevcairieland see if some addon complains :D
15:14.32GnarfozAddonLoader would complain, for example
15:14.43Gnarfozit uses Babble-Zone-2.2 for some reason
15:14.47nevcairielget the better addonloader
15:14.48profalbertthe only addon depending on it in my folder is Aloft
15:15.01nevcairielGnarfoz: I was talking about Babble-Spell specifically =P
15:15.02Gnarfoz'the better addonloader'? AddonLoader already is 'the better ForkliftGnome' :D
15:15.06nevcairielthe other babbles are still used
15:15.22StanzillaGnarfoz: http://wow-addonloader.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/AddonLoader
15:15.38Gnarfozyeah, you're right, I'm not even sure if BabbleSpell is used anywhere, but it's likely
15:15.56GnarfozStanzilla: thanks. so I conclude nymbia is gone from here, too?
15:15.58Gnarfoz~seen nymbia
15:16.06purlnymbia <n=nymbia@c-24-8-188-199.hsd1.co.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 17d 16h 40m 29s ago, saying: 'i think ill go name some critical functions that and then complain when other addons break them'.
15:16.08deadlockIs there an addon that would supress all tooltips (bag, fubar etc) unless I mousedover with a key pressed.
15:16.28cubicoolIf I remember, Cowtip does SOMETHING like that.
15:16.32cubicoolBut I can't be 100% sure.
15:16.57Gnarfoz-- TODO -- Use Babble-Zone-3.0 in X-LoadOn-Zone <-- well how is it better if it's got reduced functionality *boggle*? :D
15:17.33nevcairielthat was fixed
15:17.36nevcairieltodo enver removed
15:17.36nevcairiel:P
15:17.50[Ammo]sorry I was lazy
15:17.54Gnarfozheh, I *was* wondering, because the code told me it was in use ;D
15:17.54[Ammo]didn't remove the todo :)
15:18.31[Ammo]I should actually finish the override editting for it
15:18.33Gnarfozso is there a reason not to at least add a notice to the old one regarding the new one of the same name?
15:18.46Stanzillayou should replace the wowace version with this one :P
15:18.50[Ammo]once the new one has overrides I will replace the wowace version
15:18.53[Ammo]but until then no
15:18.58Stanzillak
15:19.26Gnarfozah, I see. I don't know what they're used for, but 'not entirely complete, yet' sounds sane ;)
15:19.59nevcairieli never used overrides
15:20.03nevcairielbut some people might
15:20.13nevcairielit lets you change loading behaviour from ingame configuration
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15:23.00jangohiho, is ist possible to arrange bartender 3 bars to e.g. 3*3 buttons?
15:23.58nevcairieljango: sure
15:24.08nevcairieljango: set the number of buttons to 9, and the rows to 3
15:24.43jangooh so easy
15:24.44jangothx
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15:27.57cubicoolIs there a library that will allow me to specify sizes and placments always in absolute (pixel) coordinates? (One that will prevent me having to mess with Scale and RelativeScale myself) wtb AcePixel...
15:28.15cncfanaticseh, you need a library for that ?
15:28.25cncfanaticscoordinate / scale or coordinate * scale doesn't require libraries
15:28.30cncfanaticsits simple maths
15:28.35CIA-4203next96 * r75998 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ARLLocals-koKR.lua:
15:28.35CIA-42AckisRecipeList:
15:28.35CIA-42- Update locale koKR
15:28.43cubicoolWell, it'd be nice to have some kidn of Frame mix-in that just does it for you.
15:28.50cubicoolI'll certainly end up doing that myself at any rate.
15:28.59cncfanaticsyou should
15:29.08cncfanaticsthe code needed mainly depends on your implementation anyway
15:30.22CIA-4203ackis * r75999 10AckisRecipeList/ (12 files in 2 dirs):
15:30.22CIA-42AckisRecipeList:
15:30.22CIA-42- Alchemy, Cooking, Engineering, Tailoring, Enchanting, Smelting, Rogue Posions, and Hunter Pets all have had flags set
15:30.22CIA-42- All flags for "trainer" have been set (find and replace ftw)
15:30.23CIA-42- Dry-coded (code runs with luac -p)
15:30.37cubicoolI guess that's gotta' be one of the main things people ask about... I just started hacking recently on WOW addons and when I asked my Frame to be 200 pixels and it wasn't, I was like... zomg. But then I realized the size was in the parent's coordinate space...
15:31.51[Ammo]screw pixels
15:31.54[Ammo]just obey the ui scale
15:32.07cubicoolpixels are for the win, sir. :)
15:32.20cubicoolpixels are from the old school!
15:32.41[Ammo]your addon would be huge on my UIscale though
15:32.45[Ammo]which would make me ditch it
15:33.11cubicoolI wonder how many people would be the same; I be alienating folks in my quest to obtain pixel-perfect sizes.
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15:33.29cubicooler, "may be"
15:33.43[Ammo]pixel perfect for you, I like my stuff scaled with the rest of my UI
15:33.52Fisker-i like you
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15:34.08cubicoolIt just looks so silly on my Frame here to have the left and right borders be 2 pixels and the top and bottom ones 1.
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15:36.39Fisker-gives [Ammo] some icecream
15:41.03StanzillaFX3 RC2 today
15:41.37AeyanCool
15:41.42AeyanRC1 was good times
15:42.05pastamancerbut will it finally remember window size on osx?!
15:43.25Fisker-It's Fx
15:43.29Fisker-i went there
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15:43.42Fisker-btw pastamancer
15:44.07Fisker-you have anything to do with those fleshlight ads in my spambox?
15:44.33cncfanaticshaha
15:44.38AckisWorkyou buy one and they just won't leave you alone eh?
15:44.41cncfanaticsI get those all day together with viagra spam
15:45.05Fisker-busted again :(
15:47.18cubicoolrecommends spamhaus rbl servers
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15:53.43pastamancerFisker-: yes, please buy moar... you can stick them on your ears as a fashion statement
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15:56.03Fisker-what? you haven't seen my new earwarmer collection?
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15:56.51hastefor some reason I read.. earthworm collection there
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16:02.42SnagoAre there any LibQuixote-2.0 documentaion out there?
16:03.22SnagoKemayo: ^^
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16:15.51CIA-4203ackis * r76000 10AckisRecipeList/ (Locals/ARLLocals-enUS.lua RecipeDB/ARL-Jewelcraft.lua):
16:15.51CIA-42AckisRecipeList:
16:15.51CIA-42- JC converted to new system for mob/quest drops (Localization update)
16:15.51CIA-42- Flags added for JC
16:15.51CIA-42- Dry-coded (code runs with luac -p)
16:16.15AckisWorkOnly two more databases to convert bleh
16:16.33cncfanaticsAckisWork: what does the -p flag do ?
16:16.41cncfanaticsin luac
16:16.43AckisWorkjust parses it
16:16.47AckisWorkno compiling
16:16.49cncfanaticsah
16:16.50Gnarfozsyntax check basically
16:16.51AckisWorkaka syntax check
16:18.48AckisWorkthe problem i'm getting is that I do the professions that my main has first to test out if it works...then I realize that I have everything known, so I do my first alt's professions and then forget to do the rest... out of sight out of mind
16:19.20AckisWorkonly reason I just did JC was because it was short and sweet
16:19.30[Liquidor]Is there any other way to create a new line than \n ?
16:19.45Gnarfoz\r\n? ^^
16:20.41[Liquidor]possible to read newlines?
16:20.56[Liquidor]or breaks or w/e
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16:21.42AckisWorklua> return(isnumber("1234"))
16:21.43lua_botAckisWork: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'isnumber' (a nil value)
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16:22.13haste<AckisWork>s/is/to/
16:22.24Allaralua> return(tonumber("1234") ~= nil)
16:22.25lua_botAllara: true
16:22.41AckisWorkahh ok
16:22.47AckisWorktha'ts how I can do the check then
16:23.21AckisWorklua> return(tonumber("|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r") ~= nil)
16:23.21lua_botAckisWork: false
16:23.24AckisWorkwhee
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16:28.06AckisWorklua> _,_,foo = string.find("|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r","^|c%x+|Hitem:([0-9]+)[:0-9]+|h%[.+%]");if (tonumber(foo) ~= nil) then print("win") end
16:28.06lua_botAckisWork: win
16:28.15AckisWorkyes, yes I do win
16:28.19AckisWorkthank you lua_bot
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16:33.09CIA-4203ackis * r76001 10Querier/Querier.lua:
16:33.09CIA-42Querier:
16:33.09CIA-42- Will now take an item/spell link and give you its ID.
16:33.50nevcairielyou have a addon for that? o.O
16:34.12cncfanaticstoo lazy to do /dump ?
16:34.29cncfanaticsshould also work for quests if you absolutely want to make an addon for it btw
16:34.32AckisWorkI wrote something to query item and spell IDs
16:34.38Fisker-hai nevcairiel
16:34.42cncfanaticsmake it work for quests too then :)
16:34.46GnarfozAckis: "Sniff"?
16:34.51AckisWorkI was tired of typing /script blah blah blah all the time
16:34.57nevcairielyou can make it pretty generic for all links
16:35.10Gnarfozjust upgrade Sniff please, it sounds like it does exactly the same oO
16:35.10AckisWorkso I wrote this just before 2.4 came out, and someone wanted me to add reverse lookup stuff so I did
16:35.21nevcairiellua> _,_,foo = string.find("|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r","^|c%x+|H(.-):([0-9]+)[:0-9]+|h%[.+%]");if (tonumber(foo) ~= nil) then print("win") end
16:35.21lua_botnevcairiel: No output
16:35.28nevcairieloh
16:35.32nevcairielno ()
16:35.37nevcairiellua> _,_,foo = string.find("|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r","^|c%x+|H.-:([0-9]+)[:0-9]+|h%[.+%]");if (tonumber(foo) ~= nil) then print("win") end
16:35.38lua_botnevcairiel: win
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16:36.05[Liquidor]No way to mess with BuyGuildCharter(); ? :((
16:36.07AckisWorkand I was also playing with ways to prevent DCs w/ item ID querying
16:36.24Gnarfozyou don't get disconnected anymore
16:36.34AckisWorkyou do if you do too many
16:36.41Gnarfozwell, if it's for manual querying
16:36.56Gnarfozyou're not likely to hit the limit fast enough, are you?
16:36.56[Liquidor]Anyone got any idea for a guildname which looks just .... wrong ?
16:37.04Gnarfoz[Liquidor]: Guild
16:37.12AckisWorkI've ADDed on atlasloot page and got DCed pretty quickly
16:37.33nevcairielAckisWork: people have tried to figure out how to not get DC'ed
16:37.39nevcairielAckisWork: it comes down to like 1 query every 30s
16:37.40nevcairielor so
16:37.45nevcairielask Xinhuan about it =P
16:37.48[Liquidor]Gnarfoz, I was hoping to bypass the name checker to add in anything like a colorcode, newline or a number
16:38.15Gnarfoz[Liquidor]: well... you're bored it seems
16:38.20[Liquidor]Still wondering if its server side or the client which parses the text
16:38.25AckisWorknevcairiel: yah it was basically an experiment of can I queue queries, and if so, would this be useful in a library? with the added ability for me to type /sq or /iq to query items because I'm lazy :P
16:38.42[Liquidor]cause if its client gogo change portdata before its sent to blizz :>
16:38.49nevcairielseeing how low the rate is, i doubt a library would be useful
16:38.53Gnarfoz[Liquidor]: also, can't you change the name of a guild charter like an arena team charter, after buying it? maybe look at that function
16:39.16AckisWorknevcairiel: I was thinking along the lines of automated querying in mods
16:39.35[Liquidor]Gnarfoz, yup checking it out
16:40.13Gnarfozanyway, messing with data on the way from client -> server will earn you a swift ban, and I'd bet they notice a colored guild name :p
16:41.13[Liquidor]heh
16:41.16[Liquidor]yeah I know it will
16:41.28[Liquidor]hmm gotta find the api for it
16:41.35[Liquidor]not on wowwiki
16:41.54CIA-4203StiviS * r76002 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ARLLocals-esES.lua:
16:41.54CIA-42AckisRecipeList:
16:41.54CIA-42- esES updated
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16:42.08[Liquidor]and is this a typo or what? i dont get it: GuildRegistrarFrame.xml
16:44.29CIA-4203Zarni * r76003 10/HuntersMark/ (7 files in 3 dirs): HuntersMark: Initial commit
16:45.49AckisWork~seen saroz
16:46.11purlsaroz <n=mail@0x5737990e.sdnqu1.broadband.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 21h 39m 33s ago, saying: 'wtf my bigwigs bars are like.. frozen'.
16:46.11AckisWorkwhen will we start to see exMX translations?
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16:46.13hastezarnivoop: You might want to move that one to trunk
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16:47.12zarnivoophaste: oops!
16:47.55[Ammo]fail :p
16:47.56Gnarfoz[Liquidor]: where's the typo? also, from that file: BuyGuildCharter(GuildRegistrarFrameEditBox:GetText()); is the syntax
16:48.01[Liquidor]Gnarfoz, same parser
16:48.27[Liquidor]/script RenamePetition("R2 \nD2"); as an example is checked as well.
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16:49.11[Liquidor]Gnarfoz, main language isn't English to me so to me it looks odd when it says strar :)
16:49.28Gnarfoz[Liquidor]: a registrar is someone who registers
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16:50.05CIA-4203Zarni * r76004 10/ (HuntersMark/ trunk/HuntersMark/): worst initial commit ever
16:50.48[Liquidor]Oh well not possible it seems :-/
16:51.03hastezarnivoop: no it's not, someone managed to delete tags once
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16:51.45nevcairiellol
16:51.52nevcairieldidnt someone even do that to trunk?
16:52.02hastedon't think so
16:52.11hasteI remember it took ages to restore tags when it happened tho' :p
16:52.22nevcairielyeah because svn is so damn slow
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16:53.22AckisWorkquestion: how does one shave/wax their own back hair?
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16:53.37nevcairielif you find out, tell me :P
16:54.06AckisWorkyou suffer from the back hair problem too?
16:54.12nevcairielsadly
16:54.46AckisWorki had my mom wax my back once when I was in university and had come home for a holiday... it hurt, and the gf just laughed =/
16:54.54nevcairiellol
16:55.29AckisWorkit wasn't as bad as the scene from 40 year old virgin, but it was very close
16:56.37CIA-4203Zarni * r76005 10HuntersMark/: HuntersMark: added externals
16:57.33CIA-4203trasher * r76006 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ARLLocals-frFR.lua:
16:57.33CIA-42AckisRecipeList:
16:57.33CIA-42- frFR update
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17:01.01CIA-4203Zarni * r76007 10Procodile/ (croc.blp lib/ libs/): Procodile: minor cleanup
17:02.07nevcairiel~botmail to saroz: thanks for breaking sRaidFrames, yay for using more bloaty libs, thank you very much <.<
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17:02.53AckisWorkwhat broke?
17:03.00nevcairielall the positioning is gone mad
17:03.07nevcairielbecause he uses this sucky LibStickyFrames
17:03.22AckisWorkit just reset positioning on me last night and I redid it in about 30 seconds and was good to go
17:03.46AckisWorkand uhh what's botmail? lol
17:04.04AckisWorkI liked the fact that the frames were clumped together now actually
17:05.04nevcairieli reverted
17:05.06[Ammo]libstickyshit
17:05.10nevcairieland if he doesnt fix it, i fork it again
17:05.11nevcairieli dont care
17:05.26cncfanaticsdefine "fix" ?
17:05.34nevcairielremove that sucky lib
17:05.39cncfanaticsthats not fix
17:05.42[Ammo]libstickyframes is made of sticky shit
17:05.43cncfanaticsthe lib is fine imho :p
17:05.45[Ammo]it's made of uter shite
17:05.52cncfanaticshmmm, whats shite about it ? :o
17:05.53AckisWorkfix the library then?
17:05.58cncfanaticsagree there
17:06.05nevcairielthe lib was made by toadkiller
17:06.07nevcairielnuf said
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17:06.52cncfanatics<insert addon here> was made by <insert author here>, nuf said
17:06.52cncfanatics<3
17:06.59nevcairieldid you see autobar recently?
17:07.07cncfanaticsI never used it
17:07.20cncfanaticsa small FB script does that for me
17:07.58nevcairieli definately wont be using it, and if saroz insists to use it
17:08.00nevcairielbad for him :P
17:08.52cncfanaticswell, having a lib for handling sticky frames ain't a bad idea
17:08.58cncfanaticsif you don't like the lib you should rewrite it imho
17:09.10AckisWorkor help
17:09.26Gnarfozor just make using sticky positioning toggleable, like it is in AutoBar
17:09.51Gnarfoz(which works mighty fine right now, I'd say)
17:10.02[Ammo]or get a proper coded lib
17:10.21[Ammo]'hey there's several sticky solutions, lets copy paste together a lib out of em';
17:10.34AckisWorkohh you can do that?
17:10.35AckisWorkcool
17:10.40Gnarfozyou're behind times, or something
17:10.43AckisWorkmakes LibWoW-1.0
17:10.47[Ammo]hehe
17:10.55Gnarfozthere was libstickyframes, like, forever now
17:11.04[Ammo]it was only used in autobar luckily
17:11.10[Ammo]which in itself has turned in to a piece of poo
17:11.11Gnarfozand in Bartender3
17:11.14[Ammo]no
17:11.17Gnarfozyes.
17:11.19[Ammo]nevcairiel: slap him :p
17:11.35deadlockhmmm
17:11.37cncfanaticsI'm pretty sure BT used its own sticky frames code
17:11.37AckisWorknev and I need to continue our back hair discussion
17:11.41Gnarfozwell, how come AutoBar and BT3 bars stick together so well oO
17:11.42deadlockHow hard would it be just to BLOCK all tooltips?
17:12.06Gnarfozwhich was... unneccessary AND not useful because it would only work for BT3 bars themselves? oO
17:12.08cncfanaticsdeadlock: rather easy
17:12.11cncfanaticsbut you don't want that
17:12.12Gnarfozkind of defeats the purpose of sticky bars
17:12.38cncfanatics<PROTECTED>
17:12.41[Ammo]if you would use any stickyframe solution, I'd say use FlyPaper
17:12.43[Ammo]it's the only way to fly
17:12.45[Ammo]and stick
17:12.52cncfanaticsdeadlock: that should do it, but it might break a lot of stuff, I wouldn't recommend it
17:13.08cncfanaticslinky [Ammo]
17:13.29[Ammo]it's included in Bongos afaik
17:13.29deadlockcncfanatics: ok. i just wish i could hide tooltips (bags/fubar etc) until a key+mouseover is pressed
17:13.31Gnarfozwhich, again, seems like it's a random, unknown solution, which someone was too proud of to make it publicly known
17:13.33[Ammo]and some other addons
17:13.44cncfanaticsdeadlock: google an addon for that
17:13.48[Ammo]Gnarfoz: it's made by a proper coder at least  :p
17:13.49cncfanaticsor bother me to write one in 3 weeks
17:13.51deadlockWasnt any
17:13.52cncfanaticswhen  I have time
17:14.13deadlockI'll pay you 10 bucks :-)
17:14.13Gnarfoz[Ammo]: well, proper coders have quite asinine ideals way more often than non-proper ones, then, it seems
17:14.41cncfanaticswould you mind explaining what you just said Gnarfoz ? :p
17:14.54[Ammo]he said proper coders make shit addons, and non-proper ones make good addons
17:15.01AckisWorkno
17:15.08Gnarfozjust be someone else and read the last 10 minute's backlog and you'd understand^^
17:15.26AckisWorkyou look at the different factions here on wowace... there's a lot of good coders who have different ideals
17:15.31Gnarfozwhat good is "well this solution is better, but no one uses it because the only time I'm referring to it is when I want to say how much the rest sucks"
17:15.48cncfanaticsthats not the case Gnarfoz
17:15.52cncfanaticsits in use by multiple addons it seems
17:15.53[Ammo]Gnarfoz: fact is 90% of the stuff on wowace svn is total suck
17:15.55Gnarfozit bloody well is >_<
17:15.56AckisWorkI think to sum it up, we can all agree that "ackis recipe list" is the best mod out there
17:16.02Gnarfoz[Ammo]: can't agree more, there ;D
17:16.10Gnarfoz~ackis
17:16.10purlmethinks ackis is Emperor of dry-coding typos.
17:16.16Gnarfozthat ---^
17:16.17[Ammo]Gnarfoz: and that includes most of the addons you adore
17:16.18cncfanaticsno comment on that [Ammo], entirely true, sadly
17:16.34cncfanatics[Ammo]: I'd say that depends on who
17:16.38Gnarfoz[Ammo]: yeah, right because you know which addons I use. ad-hominem is fail xD
17:16.49cncfanaticsI tend to only use bigwigs, carto3 and fb
17:16.54[Ammo]Parrot, AutoBar :p
17:16.56[Ammo]for one
17:17.00CIA-4203trasher * r76008 10AckisRecipeList/RecipeDB/ARL-Alchemy.lua:
17:17.00CIA-42AckisRecipeList:
17:17.00CIA-42- fix typo babble zone
17:17.01Gnarfoznuh-uh carto3 is not on wowace
17:17.17AckisWorkah hah! I have minions doing typo fixes for me
17:17.25Pkekyo|can anyone tell me how much block rating 26str is?
17:17.43cncfanaticsPkekyo|: zero
17:17.47cncfanaticsstr doesn't add block rating
17:17.49cncfanaticsit adds block value
17:18.01Gnarfoz[Ammo]: I use them, where did I say I adored them? AutoBar is the only addon doing what it does properly, and MSBT simply is inferior to Parrot. FCT and SCT are in a different league, anyway
17:18.07cncfanaticsIf I remember right it is 1 block value per 20ish str, nothing worth taking into account
17:18.18Gnarfoz[Ammo]: I'm also using BigWigs, utter piece of shite because it's made by who it's made by, obviously
17:18.25deadlockI like MSBT better than parrot or SCT...personally
17:18.25[Ammo]BigWigs is shit indeed
17:18.31AckisWork:O
17:18.32cncfanaticsit is ? :o
17:18.35[Ammo]it's outdated and old
17:18.40Gnarfozobviously, ammo said so
17:18.45cncfanaticsthen go go rewrite :p
17:18.48[Ammo]I suggest to use DBM
17:18.49Gnarfozbeing shit, it still is better than the alternatives, though, sadly
17:19.00Silviu-DBM sux on cpu tho
17:19.10AckisWorkAmmo, are you serious about DBM? =/
17:19.13cncfanaticsso much things suck on the CPU
17:19.19AckisWorkor is this "sarcasm on the internet"?
17:19.40deadlockI don't have a problem with DBM...unless your running it on a calculator <.<
17:19.47Pkekyo|cncfanatics: sorry, how much block value?
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17:19.50Gnarfozneither irony or sarcasm do well on the internet ;D
17:19.52CIA-4203apoco * r76009 10RBM_AbilityWatch/RBM_AbilityWatch.lua:
17:19.52CIA-42RBM_AbilityWatch:
17:19.52CIA-42- Added Pummel, Kick, and Nature's Grasp
17:19.52CIA-4203trasher * r76010 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ARLLocals-frFR.lua:
17:19.52CIA-42AckisRecipeList:
17:19.53CIA-42- frFR update
17:19.58Phatbackyo
17:20.01cncfanatics20ish str is 1 block value
17:20.03PhatbackAny1 here use gladiator/tattle?
17:20.07Silviu-deadlock calculator ? ;)
17:20.24cncfanaticswhich means you'll block one additional damage per 20ish (its actualy around 23-26, I don't know the exact number) str
17:20.28Gnarfozno, because it's not maintained anymore (which is obviously the most valid of reasons to not use something, even though it still works fine^^)
17:20.33cncfanaticsits not worth taking into account Pkekyo|, its too minimal
17:20.50Gnarfozhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Block <- it's 20 str
17:20.55Pkekyo|so way less than 29 value?
17:21.00deadlockSilviu-:  Yep. :-) Don't run WOW on a calculator, and you wont have problems. (Was a joke fyi.) <.< I know some ppl who try to play wow on some POS pc's.
17:21.04cncfanaticsits 1 max Pkekyo|
17:21.16cncfanaticsabout 29 times less then 29 value :p)
17:21.27[Ammo]I have a shitty old PC (7 years old), I notice bad addons immediately, and Parrot vs MSBT = Parrot out of the window
17:21.32Gnarfozdeadlock: while ppl have shitty PCs, there's never a reason to use DBM xD
17:21.34Pkekyo|meh :p
17:21.36cncfanatics[Ammo]: same here :)
17:21.43Pkekyo|trying to justify using the epic cloak over the blue one :p
17:21.47cncfanatics5 years old PC with linux and an ATI card
17:21.56cncfanaticsPkekyo|: don't if it has str on it :s
17:22.02Silviu-deadlock I have a pretty ok comp can`t complain of that i only said i hate bad coded addons that have more bulk that i need ;p
17:22.06profalbert[Ammo] isn't that an issue with rock?
17:22.17[Ammo]profalbert: not really, it's an issue with parrot
17:22.27Pkekyo|cloak of arathi kings vs ironscale war cloak
17:22.50Gnarfozsadly, you don't really get 'more features' without some amount of 'more cost'
17:22.53Pkekyo|gains alot of hit from the epic one
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17:22.56deadlockUnderstandable. We had a coupl eppl who were at like 2fps during a 25-man the other day.
17:22.59deadlockWas pretty funny.
17:23.09Silviu-;-))
17:23.22Silviu-I stay 35+ in raids is ok for me
17:23.34AckisWork[Ammo]: Is your other bad add-on criteria "made by so and so"?
17:23.44deadlockI have around 20 in raids. I'm running in opengl tho.
17:23.46[Ammo]AckisWork: yeah, and usually right
17:23.52AeyanOne cloak is a tanky cloak, the other is a DPS cloak =P
17:24.14Pkekyo|meknows, but meh... need hit :p
17:24.17Pkekyo|and it's purple!
17:24.22GnarfozI stay at my vsync rate, which is 60, and hence I can afford (uhhh afford... this leads to a quick stray thought.. ENVY) running the more featureful of the two ;>
17:24.24AeyanBah
17:25.13[Ammo]Gnarfoz: even without using the features parrot blows
17:25.13AeyanWear a devilshark cloak =P
17:25.26Pkekyo|it never fucking drops
17:25.35Gnarfoz[Ammo]: yeah, without using features, it would be a stub doing nothing... bigwigs without bossmods would also suck
17:25.50[Ammo]Gnarfoz: I set up parrot same as my msbt
17:25.53[Ammo]no icons no fancy stuff
17:26.06Gnarfoztoo bad you can do *more* than msbt can do, so that's a moot point
17:26.11Gnarfozor rather, not the same comparison I'm making
17:26.13[Ammo]not really
17:26.29[Ammo]I don't think there is anything in parrot that msbt can't do
17:26.46AckisWorkcan msbt eat crackers? I didn't think so!
17:26.47AckisWorkhah
17:26.51Gnarfozhur-hur.
17:26.53AckisWorkparrot 1 msbt 0
17:26.56[Ammo]rofl
17:26.59[Ammo]ok you win
17:27.12AckisWorkps: I use SCT
17:27.16Gnarfozdoes parrot draw to itself insane users like ackis? yes.
17:27.31AckisWorkI'm not insane, just different
17:27.31Fisker-sexually harasses Gnarfoz
17:27.34[Ammo]oh boy ackis, I really suggest you switch to parrot or msbt then :p
17:27.39Gnarfozlikes it
17:27.51AckisWorkI like SCT =/
17:28.08GnarfozSCT does quite well if configure to your wishes... I fell back on it when Parrot was still broken
17:28.10[Ammo]you can set up either to do exact the same as sct, and get more fps
17:28.27AckisWorkhmm
17:28.46Vulcanusmsbt is awesome, it's so much more configurable than SCT
17:28.48AckisWorkwill it play a sound when I get clear casting procs and have sound off? :P aka bug w/ playsoundfile? lol
17:29.03GnarfozI don't really see how an addon with less features (hence, less stuff to do) could achieve worse frame rates than a more featureful one?
17:29.11[Ammo]I just wish turning on profiling and running omen didn't boot me from the server for being non-responsive
17:29.24[Ammo]need to fix omen's cpu issues because it's unplayably bad
17:29.28Vulcanusand why SCT and SCTD don't work together is far beyond me
17:29.43PhatbackIs the correct syntax for tattles dataminer http://eu.wowarmory.com/Reckoning as updateonly?
17:29.54GnarfozVulcanus: they... do?
17:30.02GnarfozPhatback: yeah
17:30.06AckisWorkI have a geforce 8800 ultra and drop around 15-20 fps in raids :(
17:30.10deadlockIs there a addon profiler, that lets you enable/diable certain addon like 'Raiding' "questing' etc
17:30.12Vulcanusno they don't, they have two different output areas and will cause overlap
17:30.22GnarfozAckis: get rid of AckisRecipeList then, I heard it eats your cpu raw
17:30.35Vulcanuslmao
17:30.37AckisWorkGnarfoz: I know, what douche coded that?
17:30.45AckisWork~arl
17:30.48purli heard arl is a poorly named add-on, 95% dry-coded developed by Ackis.  Will tell you what recipes/beast skills you're missing however.
17:30.48Gnarfozdunno, some random asian translator is my guess
17:30.57AckisWorkomg... it was me
17:31.13GnarfozVulcanus: errm... so? why is that a problem? oO just move them
17:31.32Vulcanusit is a problem if I want to split up different sources of damage in different areas
17:31.34AckisWorkI'm proud to say that ARL doesn't eat cpu :D just memory
17:32.01AckisWork*I think I just got lucky!*
17:32.14Vulcanusyou're on irc while you get laid? XD
17:32.41AckisWorkno, I'm at work
17:32.42AckisWorkahahaha
17:32.43Vulcanusabout ARL, will it show vendor locations on the minimap?
17:32.47AckisWorkno
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17:32.53Vulcanusthen you have work to do
17:32.54VulcanusXD
17:32.58ApocoI heard there was a mod on curse that showed how much memory each function and table etc used in a mod
17:33.05Apocobut I dont remember the name and couldnt find it
17:33.20AckisWorkApoco: Function profiler
17:33.53VulcanusI wanna get rid of reciperadar because its about as stable as britney spears on a friday night out on town, randomly forgetting recipes and ofrcing me to open the relevant tradeskill window and then open RR again... such hassle
17:34.11Vulcanuss/ofrcing/forcing
17:34.21Vulcanusfine be that way
17:34.24AckisWorkVulcanus: what does recipe radar do aagain?
17:34.38Vulcanusit tracks what vendors sell what recipes and where they are
17:34.44Vulcanusrecipes you are missing
17:35.04AckisWorkhmm only thing ARL doesn't do is add them to the mini map
17:35.11Vulcanus(you can also make it tell you recipes you have, but that feature is useless to me)
17:35.50AckisWorkARL will give you vendor coords/locs etc.
17:35.52Vulcanusits not that big of a deal, if you could make TomTom-enabled coords (with relevant zone associations plx) then that'd work too
17:35.57AckisWorkjust no mini-map stuff
17:36.14Vulcanusah, I might check it out then
17:37.25CIA-4203oridan * r76011 10SpellReminder/SpellReminder.lua:
17:37.25CIA-42SpellReminder:
17:37.25CIA-42- improved cooldown support, now checks for ranged attacks over the GCD. Also merges shared CD's into one bar.
17:37.29AckisWorkyah originally is just had "vendor" but I added all that information a while ago
17:38.06ApocoAckisWork: do you have a link, search isnt finding it on curse
17:38.15AckisWorklet me see
17:39.55AckisWorkcan't seem to find it now either
17:40.20VulcanusTRAINER_TOGGLE and VENDOR_TOGGLE in the options
17:40.20Apocolol
17:40.35Vulcanusmousing over the trainer and vendor checkboxes in filter -> obtain
17:40.36AckisWorkYah I know
17:40.43ApocoI found "LuaProfiler" on wowi, but its from 2006 and it isnt what I was looking for.
17:41.38AckisWorkmay have been removed? =/
17:41.41VulcanusAlso in the GUI, wouldn't it be better if mouseover worked on more than the +/- button?
17:41.45Apocototal suckage
17:41.47PhatbackThere any fix for the Parser error when using gladiator??
17:42.07AckisWorkVulcanus: being fixed with a new UI Zhinjio is writing for me
17:42.14Vulcanusalright, cool
17:42.14AckisWorkI find that annoying myself
17:43.35VulcanusWell it's using way less memory than RecipeRadar, not even on the top 15
17:43.41CIA-4203apoco * r76012 10RBM/CooldownWatch/CooldownWatch.lua: RBM: CooldownWatch: Fixed bug with Drums of Restoration causing potion cooldown. Also changed the way the ShowNames toggle is checked. Confirm it is fixed.
17:44.01ApocoDoes commented code take up UI memory?
17:44.06ApocoI dont think it does, but who the hell knows
17:44.20AckisWorkshouldn't
17:44.23Vulcanusoh wait there it is, 14th place with 939 kb
17:44.27Apocokk
17:44.38AckisWorkcompilers will skip it, not sure what scripting stuff does
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17:44.57AckisWorkVulcanus: embedded or not?
17:45.02Vulcanusnot
17:45.24AckisWork*nod* I get blamed for a lot of Ace stuff since I load first at times
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17:46.29Vulcanushehe
17:47.04Vulcanuswill this new GUI feature a way to link the recipe, the tradeskill link and the item itself? Cos those would be useful features imo
17:47.46AckisWorkthat'll be done before the new GUI... but probably won't show up til the new GUI is in
17:48.05AckisWorkI wanted to add quest links but you couldn't click on them through the current GUI so I didn't do it
17:48.51AeyanYour 14th place addon is using 939kb? =P
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17:50.13AckisWorkI need to make ARL lod
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17:50.19Apoco~function profiler
17:50.30Apocobleh
17:50.33cncfanaticsApoco: try lua-eclipse ?
17:50.36AckisWorkbecause right now you have every recipe/beast skill loaded when you only need at most 3
17:50.39AckisWork~fp
17:50.39purlhmm... fp is short for Festival Problems... They're so common, they get their own acronym.... kill fp once and for all http://nerdvittles.com/index.php?p=134
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17:50.51AckisWorklol wow
17:51.20AckisWorkon a side note: http://teamice.org/ -> "Also please note that Awaken is now 18 and looking for a boyfriend, you can PM her on our forums as well."
17:51.26AckisWorkpoor girl
17:52.09cncfanaticsrofl
17:52.21Apocoonly way to make it worse would be to post a pic of her there
17:52.27cncfanaticsif I was a girl and my GM did that I'd kill him :p
17:52.30Apocobecause if I wasnt looking for that I would have missed it
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17:53.00AckisWorkroughly 25-30% of our raids are female gamers
17:53.12cncfanaticsbarely any here
17:53.12AckisWorksurprising for online games
17:53.19NivFreakzero of ours
17:53.19cncfanaticsdepends from guild to guild I guess
17:53.34NivFreakThe only women we have in guild are spouses
17:54.23AckisWorkwe have one that's married (she just took a break), 3 engaged couples (1 of the females isn't a full time raider), my gf, and 3 single's
17:55.15CIA-4203next96 * r76013 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ARLLocals-koKR.lua:
17:55.15CIA-42AckisRecipeList:
17:55.15CIA-42- Update locale koKR
17:55.19AckisWorkand the females are generally good players
17:55.26cncfanaticsthats a rather rare situation AckisWork
17:55.32cncfanaticsmost guilds have zero female raiders
17:55.32Apocoyeah but drama comes with them
17:55.52AckisWorkthere's been very little drama
17:55.55VulcanusAeyan: Yeah, my UI is kinda heavy, I run MobInfo which simmers at 7 MB :p and then a bit of AucAdv
17:56.17cncfanaticsMobInfo at 7mb ?
17:56.19cncfanaticswhat the ?
17:56.23AeyanYeah, some addons are just static memory whores
17:56.24cncfanaticswhat is it storing to take that much ?
17:56.26AeyanJust messing, hehe
17:56.27AckisWorkwe had a trial who was ditzy and whatnot that got on the nerves of the other females in the guild... for the rest though there hasn't been a drop of drama
17:56.53Vulcanuscncfanatics: health, drops and their belonging drop rate for every single mob I've ever fought
17:56.55AckisWorkwe'll have KJ dead this week pretty sure so we aren't a bad guild either :P
17:57.04cncfanaticsnice nice
17:57.10cncfanaticsmy guild is at first boss sunwell
17:57.16cncfanaticsI stopped raiding though, school & shit
17:57.20AckisWorkwe did first four last night
17:57.24ApocoAckisWork: what guild?
17:57.24AckisWorkm'uru/kj tonight
17:57.29AckisWorkTeam Ice
17:57.37Apocooh nice
17:57.42AckisWorkPSST: we're recruiting
17:57.51ApocoI was debating applying
17:58.03cncfanaticsAckisWork: EU or US ?
17:58.06Apocobut went to nurfed instead :0
17:58.06AckisWorkUS
17:58.07ApocoUS
17:58.09Vulcanusif somebody knows of a mod that manages to store mob item droprate data and modularise them based on location then that'd be relevant to my internets
17:58.11cncfanaticsmeh , US fails
17:58.15AckisWorkbad apoco :P
17:58.27AckisWorkI wonder if the "make trials my bitches" would extend to development of mods?
17:58.28Apocosowwy :(
17:58.44AckisWorkI could've made you run my alt through SM 10x and code something!
17:58.56ApocoI tried to talk to one of your officers a few days ago and basically got the blow off
17:59.00Apocoso I said screw it
17:59.02AckisWorkwhich one?
17:59.09Apocosome warrior iirc
17:59.14AckisWorkvague?
17:59.19Apocopossible
17:59.28ApocoI'm bad with names ><
17:59.33AckisWorkyah his gf was visiting him and they just got engaged :P
17:59.40AckisWorkbasically he was tired from all the sex :P
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17:59.44AckisWorkyou should've sent me a tell
17:59.54ApocoI didn't know you were an officer there
17:59.59Apoco:p
18:00.00AckisWorknot an officer
18:00.10ApocoI didnt know you were a member there either lol
18:00.11cncfanaticsany EU guilds around recruiting rogues in 2-3 weeks ? :p
18:00.19AckisWorkbut I can answer questions and it's better to go through someone you know :P
18:00.26ApocoI left Simple Math last night
18:00.40AckisWorkalready transfered to nurfed?
18:00.44Apocoyeah
18:00.49AckisWorkpity
18:00.53ApocoDnT is already killing vashj on horde here
18:00.55Apocoits insane
18:00.59Apocothey rerolled like 2 weeks ago
18:01.03AckisWorklol
18:01.14Vulcanusthought they disbanded for good :p
18:01.17Apoco2 weeks to level to 70 and clear ssc is insane
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18:01.24cncfanaticsnot really
18:01.26cncfanaticsits not insane
18:01.28Apocothey disbanded the alli guild and rerolled horde on BlackRock
18:01.32cncfanaticsit means they have nothing else to do
18:01.38AckisWorkwhen you have the experience doing the encounters it's not hard
18:01.44cncfanaticsyou need about one week played time to get 70
18:01.48Apocothats true, but the gear check is what surprised me
18:02.07cncfanaticsI'm pretty sure a grp in kara epics could kill vashj if they were skilled
18:02.26Apocoyeah but at max thats 2 kara clears
18:02.35Apocoyou cant get 25 people "kara geared" in 2 clears
18:03.38CIA-4203ackis * r76014 10AckisRecipeList/RecipeDB/ARL-Alchemy.lua:
18:03.38CIA-42AckisRecipeList:
18:03.38CIA-42- Alchemy fix
18:03.38CIA-42- Dry-coded (code runs with luac -p)
18:03.49cncfanaticsheroic epix
18:03.54cncfanaticsmost are kara-ish quality
18:04.16Apocoyeah
18:04.18ApocoI guess
18:04.22Apocoits still good in my book
18:04.32cncfanaticswell, its a time investment
18:04.35cncfanaticsnot a skill investment
18:04.43cncfanaticsso I'm of the oppinion they simply had nothing better to do :p
18:04.50Apocooh no doubt
18:04.56NivFreakAckisWork: do you currently lack a wow account or something?
18:05.02AckisWorkno
18:05.08AckisWorkI'm at work
18:05.08NivFreaklots of dry coding
18:05.10AckisWorkno wow at work
18:05.11NivFreakah
18:05.11cncfanaticsNivFreak: as his nick states, he's at work
18:05.23NivFreakmeh, I have WoW at work if I really want to ;)
18:05.34cncfanaticseveryone can have WoW at work
18:05.34AckisWorkif I did that I'd never get any work done
18:05.39cncfanaticsat which speed is another questionb
18:06.05cncfanaticscould always have an ssh tunnel on port 80 to a computer with WoW on it
18:06.08cncfanaticsbut that'd be SO slow
18:06.39AckisWorkand when I do my dry-codes I have people on IRC/forums letting me know about bugs, plus I don't have any issue with people commiting to ARL
18:08.43AckisWorkI'm sure my dry-codes annoy the fuck out of some people
18:09.37Apocowtb ability to fire events ><
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18:11.08ApocoAckisWork: do you know how annoying it is to be in the looking for guild channel with 8/8 t6
18:11.26digmouseDnT to EU?
18:11.27ApocoI logged in for the first time and within 30m I had like 10 guilds trying to recruit me it was sooooo annoying
18:11.35ApocoDnT to BlackRock-US
18:11.53digmouseand what about the original guys
18:12.00Apocothey rerolled
18:12.07AckisWorkApoco: Never been :P lol
18:12.32digmouseI think DnT disbanded due to the leisure-ing of TBC
18:13.09Apocohttp://www.wowarmory.com/guild-info.xml?r=Blackrock&n=Death%20and%20Taxes
18:13.10digmousethey thought it suck for those people who dont spend lot of time raiding but also get those quality items like the badges
18:13.16AckisWorkalert: wtb murkey pet pst :(
18:13.42Aeyanmurglualualuaalual
18:14.10AckisWorkI need one :(
18:14.29HjalteFor heavens sake. Our offtank decided he doesn't want to come MH because we have two alt mages for decursing. So, who has a nice progressed EU guild I can join? :D
18:14.49Apocolol
18:14.52AckisWorkalso I need to get my main wow account unforum banned :P
18:14.59Tornhoofhehe
18:15.20AckisWorkif you're a blizz GM that knows what I can do, pst me, it'll be 100% anonymous :P
18:15.47AckisWorkwow no pm's... amazing
18:15.49AckisWorklol
18:16.44Apocodoing dailies as survival
18:16.45Vulcanusunforum banned? its called unbanned :p
18:16.46Apoco= teh suck
18:16.54CIA-4203funkydude * r76015 10StatBlocks_Folks/StatBlocks_Folks.lua: StatBlocks_Folks: cleanups
18:16.59AckisWorkI'm tired =/
18:17.13Fisker-I WILL HAVE MOAR POWAR
18:17.20Fisker-consumes AckisWork
18:17.21AckisWorkit was a lame ban btw! :P
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18:17.30VulcanusFisker-: go back in your corner and get more +heal
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18:17.53AckisWorkhow much heal does Fisker have? 1000?
18:18.04AckisWorkahahahah
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18:18.30Fisker-2k
18:18.35AckisWorkpfft
18:18.37AckisWorkcasual
18:19.22digmouseI downed #1-3 in hyjal and find myself at the bottom of my violation lol
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18:22.47digmouseok there would not be any hunters at the top
18:22.49CIA-4203pettigrow * r76016 10AckisRecipeList/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
18:22.49CIA-42AckisRecipeList:
18:22.49CIA-42- frFR Update
18:22.49CIA-42- Alchemy fix
18:22.49CIA-42- Jewelcraft fix
18:23.39Apocodigmouse: bad huntards
18:23.57Apocohyjal trash they shouldnt be, but for all hyjal bosses - archimonde hunters should be top 3-4 dps
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18:27.15Tornhoofwtb replacement for muru, or capable raid members ;)
18:28.07Apocowhat class/server?
18:28.13Fisker-the replacement doesn't have to be capable?
18:28.15Fisker-awesome
18:29.45AckisWorksdf;aaaaalkh
18:29.46Tornhoofyeh the noncapable replacement would really feel at home ;)
18:29.53AckisWork<-- banged head on keyboard
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18:31.59ApocoSURVIVAL SUCKS
18:32.11Apocofyi
18:32.12Apoco-_-
18:32.29Ellipsisbut it's a lot more fun than death
18:33.18Fisker-slaps Ellipsis around a bit with a large trout
18:33.26Apoconot really.
18:33.52Apocodeath = coding time
18:34.07AckisWorkmy van is going to cost 3 grand
18:34.09[Liquidor]Kemayo, ping
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18:36.37[Liquidor]Kemayo, nvm found it in the files: guild1
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18:38.41CIA-4203oridan * r76017 10SpellReminder/SpellReminder.lua:
18:38.41CIA-42SpellReminder:
18:38.41CIA-42- Further improve cooldowns, now group shared cooldowns by spell tree.
18:38.41CIA-42- Fix recasting of non-aura tracked spells (which since the totem update should now just be hunter's traps).
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18:39.07phyberwhat's up with the Library documentation on wowace.com recently?  it's all gone to shit.
18:39.11Ellipsisping durcyn
18:39.22durcynhello ellipsis how are you
18:39.22purldurcyn: just great
18:39.46[Liquidor]ping durcyn
18:39.50Ellipsishi durcyn, I'm great, and you?
18:39.50phyberpeople not putting comments in new libs for the auto doc thingy? ;)
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18:40.17durcynjust dandy.  oh god, so many highlights
18:40.28Ellipsisbwahaha
18:40.28[Liquidor]i thought you were a bot :)
18:40.31Ellipsiswell I'll make it quick
18:40.39GnarfozI guess there's lack of docs for autodoc itself, too ;D
18:41.05Gnarfozlol @ the DnT armory link, funny how they chose Immortality's guild tabard design ;D
18:41.12[Liquidor]hmm lemme see if I can get my bot cross-server
18:41.17EllipsisI see you and Kemayo did some hackage to LibAbacus-3.0 for 2.4.2 changes, and I'm trying to figure out which jira tickets were fixed by that code
18:41.33Ellipsis:FormatDurationShort() being a nil value - fixed?
18:42.05durcynhm, only thing we touched was to compensate for the changes to GOLD, SILVER, and COPPER
18:42.11durcynlet me look at that function real quick
18:42.28Ellipsisindeed, but I think the errors caused by that may have caused the function definition never to execute
18:42.45Ellipsisif that's not the cause of this issue, I've got a bit of hunting to do :(
18:43.15durcynhuh?  I don't think foo_ABBR_P1 changed
18:43.31durcynoh no, it did, you're right
18:43.48Gnarfozyeah, they're gone actually, because they converted to strings that use |4
18:44.05durcynlook around line 48
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18:44.40durcynso the DAYS/HOURS/MINUTES/SECONDS _ABBR global strings were also clobbered in 2.4.2
18:45.04Gnarfozlol one of their rogues has the MH trash drop offhand fist o_O
18:45.05Ellipsisahh, I see, and those are only used in that function
18:45.15Gnarfozeither they're way bored or they're raiding with other guilds
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18:45.42EllipsisI'm gonna call it fixed then, and hope the continuing reports are just morons forgetting to update their addons
18:46.07durcynthat ifcheck block should be setting _P1 to the same string as pre-2.4.2
18:46.37Gnarfozright, one of their tanks has 4/8 t6, that's insane xD
18:47.07Ellipsismakes sense durcyn, thanks for the help
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18:54.25CIA-4203lahow * r76018 10Cartographer_QuestInfo/ (Core.lua QuestLogPatch.lua):
18:54.25CIA-42Cartographer_QuestInfo:
18:54.25CIA-42- make QuestInfo much more compatible with other addons that modify QuestLogFrame
18:58.20CIA-4203durcyn * r76019 10Mendeleev/ (Mendeleev.lua Mendeleev.toc): Mendeleev: Also hook ItemRefTooltip. Remove deprecated Babble-Tradeskill from X-Embeds
19:05.55CIA-4203funkydude * r76020 10StatBlocks_Durability/StatBlocks_Durability.lua: StatBlocks_Durability: cleanups
19:12.20harl|WoWanyway, what's the thickest strongest alcoholic stuff in wow?
19:14.51jy`ZG bottles
19:16.00Aeyanharl|WoW: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=11629
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19:29.27Funkeh`~framexml
19:29.35purlGet the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/
19:30.47breserFunkeh`: I have a suggestion for BadBoy, not sure if it's possible.
19:30.59Funkeh`kmay
19:31.15Hjaltestarlon: http://ace.pastey.net/88939 Got it today on log in with r75980
19:31.32breserWhen spam gets through and I manually report it.  Have a stored variable and write them to it.
19:31.44breserThen I can just send you that file to give you the stuff I got.
19:32.25durcynuh, how do you intend to capture the string to manually report it
19:32.49Funkeh`breser, or you could just use an decent chat mod that lets you copy and paste chat? :)
19:32.51breserSee where I said, not sure if it's possible.
19:33.15durcynyou'd have to build a bigass table of the last thing every character said for at least the duration of your chat frame scrollback, if not the entire session
19:33.24harl|WoWAeyan: hm. thanks. is there anything.. like more available to the regular horde player? (other than the zg bottles or waiting for the darkmoon faire)
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19:33.39AeyanDon't think so
19:33.41phyberwas a ZoneInfo type thing for Mapster made yet?  since I just ripped Cartographer_ZoneInfo and shoved it into an Ace3 addon for myself.
19:33.54phyberI say for mapster, for anything, really :p
19:34.09AckisWorkyes I agree about Dashkal
19:34.34harl|WoWhm ok..
19:34.46cubicoolUnitFrame mockup: lame or no? http://www.the-bob.org/~jlmoles/lol.png
19:35.40AeyanFair nifty
19:36.57genetiktoo big for me and i don't know if it would scale well because of the small area for health/mana
19:36.58DashkalSomehow I'd be a lil surprised if my name had actually come up, Ackis :p
19:37.29AckisWorklol
19:37.40AckisWorkyou at work?
19:37.42AckisWork;)
19:38.14Dashkalof course
19:38.23AckisWorka hah!
19:38.26AckisWorkhacks you.
19:38.28pastamancerrapidshare has the most retarded captchas ever
19:38.42DashkalO.o  It's a denial of service, not a remote code exploit
19:39.09AckisWorkpfft
19:39.12AckisWorkI'm still hacking you
19:39.13AckisWorktake that!
19:39.14AckisWorkand taht
19:39.18AckisWorkhack hack hack
19:39.19AckisWorka hah!
19:39.26Dashkaluh huh
19:39.37durcynGoign to have to ask you to calm down, Ackis.
19:39.42durcynalso, going.
19:39.45AckisWorkno!
19:39.49AckisWorkI'm busy hacking
19:39.52AckisWorkthank you very much
19:39.54nevcairielor just send the exploit to dashkal and be done ;)
19:40.01AckisWorkI so want to
19:40.10AckisWorkagainst my professional code of ethics though
19:40.11AckisWork:(
19:40.41Dashkal:p
19:40.43CIA-4203toadkiller * r76021 10Waterfall-1.0/Waterfall-1.0/Waterfall-1.0.lua:
19:40.43CIA-42Waterfall-1.0 :
19:40.43CIA-42-- Use English name for spell CLASS.
19:41.21AckisWorkbut it would be pretty funny
19:41.38AckisWorkimagine purl doing that everytime you joined the channel? lol
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19:43.56Dashkalyeah yeah fine, lemme go deal with copying my settings...
19:44.06Dashkalcause I'm sure the boss forgot to upgrade the firmware..
19:44.14DashkalI'd do it myself cept I'm on wireless, he's wired in
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19:46.42dashkalthere...
19:48.08AckisWorklol
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19:50.57AckisWorkeverytime I do a: local BZONE= LibStub("LibBabble-Zone-3.0"):GetLookupTable() I create a new table?
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19:51.28AckisWorkIf I were to declare something like addon.BZONE= LibStub("LibBabble-Zone-3.0"):GetLookupTable() and then in each file I use it, do a local BZONE = addon.BZONE would I save anything?
19:52.20[Ammo]nope
19:52.28CIA-4203ackis * r76022 10AckisRecipeList/RecipeDB/ARL-Smelt.lua:
19:52.28CIA-42AckisRecipeList:
19:52.28CIA-42- Smelting fix
19:52.28CIA-42- Dry-coded (code runs with luac -p)
19:52.37[Ammo]maybe a tinytinytinytinytiny fraction of loading speed
19:52.59cubicoolit's over 9000!!!!!!!!!
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19:53.11CIA-4203funkydude * r76023 10StatBlocks_Durability/StatBlocks_Durability.lua: StatBlocks_Durability: kill the little man
19:53.12AckisWorkif I refered to just addon.BZONE then?
19:53.29[Ammo]then you'd safe 1 pointer of memory
19:53.37nevcairielbut add a table lookup
19:53.46[Ammo]but you lose that tiny amount of speed on lookup
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19:54.22AckisWorkok, I think I'm confused... everytime I create a babble instance don't I basically create my own copy?
19:54.35AckisWorkor am I just pointing to the one in memory?
19:54.49TheOther~emulate Ackis
19:54.50purlTypo fix.
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19:54.56AckisWork:P
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19:55.48AckisWorkI liked back in my C days where I could explicitly declare pointers and whatnot
19:56.53EvilJohn-until someone didn't call free()
19:56.57dashkaleaugh.... I hate pointers
19:57.08AckisWorkrealloc and malloc :D
19:57.15nevcairielAckisWork: tables are passed around by reference, all other values by value :p
19:57.37nevcairieloh and fucntions by reference too
19:57.42DashkalThere, I think I got all my settings moved over
19:58.05AckisWorkok
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20:01.26pastamancerfree the mallocs!
20:01.55AckisWorkam I weird for liking C? :P
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20:02.00AckisWorkit did what I told it to do
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20:08.08AckisWorkOMG
20:08.16AckisWorkbacon in a can
20:08.18AckisWorkhttp://gizmodo.com/5012656/canned-bacon-kills-people-on-touch
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20:13.46CIA-4203apoco * r76024 10RBM_AbilityWatch/RBM_AbilityWatch.lua:
20:13.46CIA-42RBM_AbilityWatch:
20:13.46CIA-42-Removed RC1 Ace3 dropdown multiselect setting.
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20:21.21CIA-4203toadkiller * r76025 10AutoBar/ (AutoBarCategory.lua Core.lua):
20:21.22CIA-42AutoBar :
20:21.22CIA-42-- Rework custom categories. Spells had issues and need to be redragged from your spellbook.
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20:23.06ShadowedAntiarc: ping
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20:24.12Shadowedthat or does anyone know anything using LibBars
20:25.23charonwell... RTFS worked for me
20:26.19ShadowedRTFS?
20:26.35charon... source.
20:26.48Josh_Borkehe's dumb, he can't do that
20:27.16ShadowedYes, shockingly enough
20:27.23ShadowedFind an addon using LibBars, and see how they do it
20:27.39charonMangler
20:27.43charon</shameless_pluggery>
20:27.45ShadowedThats "kind of" the entire point of the question of "anyone know something using LibBars"
20:27.58charonsorry, mis-parsed that question :)
20:28.06Josh_Borkedoes omen do it?
20:28.08charonand MagicTargets or whatever it's called
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20:28.10charonJosh_Borke: no
20:29.51ZiconPluggery sounds so dirty.
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20:37.31durcynthe Ace3 Hourglass branch uses LibBars as well
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20:40.06CIA-4203ammo * r76026 10MoneyTrail/MoneyTrail.lua: MoneyTrail: fix silly math
20:43.32DaemonaFunkeh` - Badboy - http://ace.pastey.net/88946 , i think i either moved in or out of range to match a rule, cause that way the advertisement looks odd ;)
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21:08.00FuugaHello, was wondering if anyone would be able to help me with a pitbull problem. Searched the forums and couldn't find an answer for it unfortunately
21:08.16CIA-4203wattw * r76027 10StatBlocks_Tracking/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
21:08.16CIA-42StatBlocks_Tracking: initial commit - tracking block for StatBlocks
21:08.16CIA-42- Option to hide the MiniMap Tracking button, defaults to hide
21:08.16CIA-42- Click to open a tooltip to select a tracking type
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21:11.51EllipsisFuuga: what's your question?
21:12.46Fuugawell, the size properties for my party/party pets/party targets all seem to be linked
21:12.52Ellipsisit's just a display bug
21:12.56CIA-4203wattw * r76028 10StatBlocks_Tracking/: StatBlocks_Tracking: svn externals
21:12.57Ellipsisthey'll fix themselves if you reload
21:13.11Fuugaah, k.  thank you
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21:20.43CIA-4203funkydude * r76029 10/trunk/ (12 files in 8 dirs): .trunk: StatBlocks: ClassStats: events change
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21:27.59NeoTronStart QQing now: * Cripple (new) - Cripples the target, reducing movement speed by 75%, pacifying and silencing the target. Cripple causes the target to be immune to physical attacks, but still vulnerable to spells. Lasts 20 sec. Only 1 target can be crippled at a time. (1.5 sec cast, no cooldown)
21:28.20NeoTron<nerf class=warlocks>QQ Cripple QQ</nerf>
21:28.44ThatOtherGuyJesus.
21:28.56NeoTronit's like fear but without the bad stuff
21:29.05NeoTronlike the running around and pulling aggro part
21:29.14NeoTronhopefully doesn't break on damage too
21:29.38NeoTron* Chaos Bolt (Rank 1) (new) - Sends a bolt of Chaotic Fire at the enemy, dealing 990-1256 Fire damage. Chaos Bolt cannot be resisted, and pierces through absorption and immunity mechanics. (51 point, 715 mana, 1.45 sec cast, 8 sec cooldown)
21:30.00NeoTron<qq>zomg i bobblefied and teh lockz killsor mee!!!</qq>
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21:30.12NeoTronquestion is.. does it work through cyclone?
21:30.25profalbertNeoTron I think so
21:32.29CIA-4203kunda * r76030 10IQ/ (IQ.lua IQ.toc): IQ: just comment & toc update
21:34.54NivFreakmeh
21:35.00NivFreakwho was writing a 2.4 combat log parser?
21:35.06NivFreakthis one on curse is aweful
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21:35.26ThatOtherGuyHey, figure this is as good a place as any to ask; Raid mods that do durability checks - are there any others besides oRA2?
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21:36.51durcynwell, technically anything that implements the CTRA protocol, which to my knowledge is only CTRA and oRA at the moment
21:37.03ThatOtherGuyBleh. TY.
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21:38.58DashkalFinally... clear documentation on state headers! nom nom nom
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21:40.43Funkeh`~framexml
21:40.44purlGet the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/
21:41.11Maxxzis there some problems with the updaters that is corrupting some embedded libraries?
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21:49.15DeloralaBadgeWatch is the shit!
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21:49.30Deloralafinished SH hero, joined a Gruul raid
21:49.48Deloralabääääm insta-whisp every 24 people "u forgot to loot" ...
21:50.25Diao..o_O
21:50.41Diaosounds incredibly spammy
21:50.58ThatOtherGuy^ qft.
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21:59.51ThatOtherGuyErk. I'm not much of a programmer. Anyone happen to know what in oRA2 to modify for Paladin's reagent checks to be froe Kings instead of Divinity? =/ I've tried to change the item name in oRA2/Leader/Item.lua to no avail.
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22:01.25ThatOtherGuyAh ah, I'm an idiot. oRA2/Participant/Item.lua
22:01.28ThatOtherGuygogo me ~_~
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22:04.29thulI need someone british
22:07.27ThatOtherGuyP$SSw3rd
22:07.32ThatOtherGuywoops :D
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22:24.22Ellipsiswhat are the top dps classes in 25 man raids?
22:24.32NivFreakwarlocks, hunters, rogues
22:24.36ThatOtherGuyRogues (geared), Warlocks.
22:24.44thulrogues ftw :-D
22:24.58breserKinda depends on the encounter though.
22:24.59thulI haeven't played my rogue in ages though
22:25.06Ellipsiswhat faction do you guys play?
22:25.10NivFreakhorde
22:25.18breserAlliance here.
22:25.34ThatOtherGuyHorde.
22:25.53AeyanAlliance, prefer Horde =P
22:26.36thulhorde and alliance :-P
22:27.20DashkalAlli
22:27.36profalbertAlliance for raiding
22:28.03profalbertHorde for the rest :P
22:28.43sacarasci play alliance mostly
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22:29.58profalbertwhat do you play? horde i guess
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22:30.41StanzillaEllipsis is a female human warlock
22:31.07NivFreakI've never managed to get an alliance toon to max level before I couldn't take it anymore
22:31.24NivFreakmaybe I've just had bad experiences
22:32.08profalbertNivFreak: because of your toon, or because of the other players?
22:32.11AeyanI don't particularly like my fellow Alliance, hehe
22:32.19NivFreakprofalbert: other players
22:32.22AeyanBut, all my characters are there now
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22:32.47profalbertNivFreak: I had similiar experiences with both factions
22:33.01profalbertbut i started leveling Horde after TBC
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22:33.13profalbertBloodelves kinda suck
22:33.23NivFreakit didn't change the attitude a ton on my server
22:33.28NivFreakthere was a burst of bads
22:33.32NivFreakright when TBC started
22:33.37NivFreakbut most of them filtered away
22:34.09AeyanA lot of people refer to my server as Failstrom
22:34.14AeyanMight explain part of my experience
22:34.25AeyanPlus, the Horde massively outnumber the Alliance at the top end
22:34.51AeyanI think the other Alliance players are just so beaten and whipped that they scurry off in all directions and hope the weakest and slowest get eaten first
22:35.00ThatOtherGuyHah.
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22:38.25DashkalAeyan: Faelstrom?  What guild? :p
22:38.37AeyanThe Bloodstone Masons
22:38.44AeyanSmall guild, all RL friends.
22:38.47Dashkalhmm, hadn't seen that about.  Banana Syndicate
22:38.54AeyanAh, ello.
22:38.54AeyanHehe
22:40.09DashkalAnd yes, Alli totally bite on that server.  I've given up pug instances entirely.
22:40.17AeyanIt's a pretty bad scene.
22:42.31AeyanWell if you ever see Hisame, free free to say hi
22:42.35DashkalNow all I need is for the alli guilds to stop sucking and drop lots of engy rogue/feral goggles :p
22:42.39Dashkal<-- Savrine
22:48.00AeyanDon't suppose you have any spellcloth for trade? =P
22:48.34Deloralaackis ?
22:49.02Deloralau absolutely have to code something for badgewatch^^ u mentioned it yesterday^^
22:49.12Deloralatable who participated in the kill
22:49.49Deloralaso i don't spam my newly joined raid after leaving a hero
22:53.40CIA-4203aceclaw * r76031 10BigWigs_VoidBlastReflect/VoidBlastReflect.lua:
22:53.40CIA-42BigWigs_VoidBlastReflect:
22:53.40CIA-42- fix syntax error
22:55.38DashkalAeyan: heh, sorry no, and I have a couple guildies going nuts about the difficulty finding the stuff
22:57.27deadlockIs arkinventory a ace addon?
22:57.49NivFreakthere's no addons that can display elevation are there?
22:57.50DashkalIt's available on wowace.com... no idea what framework it uses
22:58.02AeyanAce2
22:58.05deadlockHmmm.
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22:58.16DashkalNever cared much.  It does its job
22:58.21deadlockI notice it can disable tooltips, but can it toogle them on with a key press?
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23:00.21CIA-4203Footrot * r76032 10GhostPulse/ (Core.lua Engine.lua GhostPulse.toc Locale-enUS.lua):
23:00.21CIA-42GhostPulse/2.01: 2008-06-05
23:00.22CIA-42- Added group announcement options for alerts so you can let your fellow arena players know when your cooldowns (etc) are up, or are soon going to be up.
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23:07.40CIA-4203sayclub * r76033 10GridStatusRaidDebuff/GridStatusRaidDebuff.lua:
23:07.40CIA-42GridStatusRaidDebuff:
23:07.40CIA-42- Remove Fog of Corruption
23:09.11NivFreaklol
23:09.14NivFreaksomeone actually took a 10 druid raid to kara
23:09.19NivFreakwe used to joke about that
23:09.47ThatOtherGuyDid 5 pally 5 druid kara a couple weeks ago. It was lulz.
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23:14.27Aens|Superiority10 druid kara aught to be very easy
23:16.19NivFreakhttp://www.wowinsider.com/2008/06/04/ten-druids-go-on-nom-spree-in-kara/
23:16.29NivFreakthey failed at interrupting R&J
23:16.44Aens|Superiorityreally? how
23:17.01Aens|Superiorityno pvp gloves or nobody who knew how to FC?
23:17.05NivFreakseems so
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23:23.57CIA-4203oridan * r76034 10SpellReminder/SpellReminder.lua:
23:23.57CIA-42SpellReminder:
23:23.57CIA-42- fix bug with "self only" spells not showing cooldown bars
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23:34.15breserIs the only Load Manager still really used AddonLoader?
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23:51.39Gnarfozbreser: not only that, it's been rewritten but not yet replaced on wowace (though I don't know what the actual benefits of the rewrite are)
23:52.23breserGnarfoz: Hmm ok.
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