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| 00:03.49 | Sapiens|Work | i hereby deem today "short bus thursday" |
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| 00:06.32 | CIA-9 | 03antiarc 072.4 * r65195 10Omen/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Omen: Toggle, center, active when solo Options.lua, out of date notice support |
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| 00:12.45 | Elsia | lua> local elemname="test <abc>"; string.gsub(elemname, "<(.-)>", function(a) print(a) end ) |
| 00:12.46 | lua_bot | Elsia: abc |
| 00:15.28 | Sapiens|Work | okay so... |
| 00:15.30 | CIA-9 | 03keiss * r65196 10Tracksw/core.lua: |
| 00:15.30 | CIA-9 | Tracksw: |
| 00:15.30 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.30 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.30 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.45 | Sapiens|Work | so far it's taken me 38 minutes just to start the uninstaller for our printer software |
| 00:16.11 | Sapiens|Work | we couldn't navigate programs and features properly so we tried the uninstall shortcut in the start menu |
| 00:16.21 | Sapiens|Work | having him read the icons one by one we finally got to uninstall \o/ |
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| 00:19.08 | Elsia | lua> local elemname="test <abc>"; res=string.gsub(elemname, "<(.-)>", function(a) return a end ); print(res) |
| 00:19.08 | lua_bot | Elsia: test abc |
| 00:19.14 | Elsia | o.O |
| 00:19.40 | Elsia | hmm anyone got a clue why this doesn't just return abc? |
| 00:19.40 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r65197 10BigWigs/Prototype.lua: BigWigs: Prototype: Bugfix. |
| 00:20.26 | JJSheets | gsub replaces the match with the result of the function. |
| 00:21.04 | Elsia | still don't get it |
| 00:21.35 | JJSheets | gsub takes test <abc> and replaces the <abc> with the result of your function, making test abc. |
| 00:21.50 | JJSheets | You want a different function. like string.match |
| 00:22.17 | Elsia | k lets see |
| 00:22.37 | Antiarc | lua > print(("test <abc>"):match("<(.-)>")) |
| 00:22.46 | Antiarc | lua> print(("test <abc>"):match("<(.-)>")) |
| 00:22.46 | lua_bot | Antiarc: abc |
| 00:23.00 | Elsia | thanks |
| 00:23.02 | CIA-9 | 03anadale * r65198 10UnderHood/ (10 files in 4 dirs): |
| 00:23.02 | CIA-9 | UnderHood: |
| 00:23.02 | CIA-9 | - Implemented an extended aura filtering (customization available through General/Aura Settings. |
| 00:23.02 | CIA-9 | - Buffs and debuffs applied by player can be displayed in large buttons (double size of normal button). |
| 00:23.02 | CIA-9 | - Minor bug fixes. |
| 00:31.07 | Zhinjio | yay, first customer (so to speak) alpha testing with the addon was successful) |
| 00:31.38 | NivFreak | which addon? |
| 00:31.57 | Zhinjio | SuicideKingsGeo |
| 00:32.11 | NivFreak | ahhh |
| 00:32.18 | NivFreak | I use it |
| 00:32.21 | Zhinjio | someone actually threw me a paypal donation, so I figured it was only fair he should get a view of the alpha that isn't public yet |
| 00:32.31 | NivFreak | so you're the author? |
| 00:32.40 | NivFreak | there's a bug that irritates me badly :) |
| 00:32.45 | Xinhuan | lol wut? |
| 00:32.52 | Xinhuan | i haven't got any donation of any sort yet ;p |
| 00:32.54 | NivFreak | no matter how many times I turn off auto-mode... |
| 00:33.01 | Zhinjio | JoeHunk of The Black Company was the original author. I took it over when he quit (about 6 months ago)... and now I'm completely rewriting it |
| 00:33.07 | Zhinjio | heh, yeah |
| 00:33.14 | NivFreak | so it's great |
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| 00:33.19 | NivFreak | I /skg master |
| 00:33.22 | NivFreak | then I /skg noroll |
| 00:33.23 | Zhinjio | auto-mode works in the new version *grin* |
| 00:33.25 | NivFreak | and spam everyone... |
| 00:33.34 | NivFreak | I don't use class lists |
| 00:33.38 | Zhinjio | that will also be much better in the new version |
| 00:33.41 | Zhinjio | class lists are going away |
| 00:33.42 | NivFreak | and I don't have a "Raid" list |
| 00:34.08 | Zhinjio | I just got "main/alt" associations done in the newest alpha |
| 00:34.18 | Zhinjio | for the people who were requesting that. |
| 00:34.23 | NivFreak | is it more clear in the new version when a person is reserved? |
| 00:34.33 | NivFreak | yea, that's great |
| 00:34.58 | Zhinjio | well, in theory anyway, there will be no need to have a "reserve" person in the new version |
| 00:34.58 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r65199 10Recount2/ (Data.lua GUI_List.lua GUI_MainList.lua Recount2.lua): |
| 00:34.58 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 00:34.58 | CIA-9 | -You can now have views group on various attributes of combat events (currently just GUID, Ability, Class, Hit Type, School, and Info but will be adding items such as group still) |
| 00:34.58 | CIA-9 | -Sample views with groups have been added to the main list frame |
| 00:35.17 | Zhinjio | since main/alts can be associated with the same slot in the list |
| 00:35.19 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r65200 10oUF_Banzai/ (. oUF_Banzai.lua oUF_Banzai.toc): oUF_Banzai: Initial commit. |
| 00:35.33 | Zhinjio | or do you mean for people who are raid-ready that you want to move in the active list even though they're not raiding? |
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| 00:35.37 | NivFreak | Zhinjio: well, we hold position if they are on standby |
| 00:35.40 | NivFreak | and waiting online |
| 00:35.46 | Zhinjio | *nod* ... gotcha. |
| 00:35.50 | vhaarr | haste: http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/oUF_Banzai/oUF_Banzai.lua |
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| 00:36.19 | vhaarr | mostly drycode |
| 00:36.24 | vhaarr | I'll test it tomorrow |
| 00:36.40 | haste | why use a securehook? |
| 00:36.45 | vhaarr | why not? |
| 00:36.51 | haste | it's like 50% overhead :p |
| 00:36.55 | vhaarr | really |
| 00:36.58 | haste | on a empty func |
| 00:37.11 | haste | it clears taint |
| 00:37.18 | Zhinjio | NivFreak: how is it currently indicated? I don't use that feature, honestly. And how would you like it to be indicated? |
| 00:37.34 | Zhinjio | I'll make sure it gets into the rewrite. |
| 00:37.35 | NivFreak | I'd just like a really visible highlight on it |
| 00:37.41 | NivFreak | I'm really not sure what it's doing now |
| 00:37.44 | NivFreak | it just sort of works |
| 00:37.48 | NivFreak | and then I fear that it never stops |
| 00:37.57 | NivFreak | even the LUA scares me :) |
| 00:38.08 | Zhinjio | one thing that is already present is that you can "filter" the list to only show people in the current raid |
| 00:38.15 | Zhinjio | I assume you'd want that to also show people on reserve |
| 00:38.25 | NivFreak | there's a few random bugs with inserting people into lists, but every time I go to post them, it stops repoing |
| 00:38.29 | NivFreak | reproing |
| 00:38.40 | NivFreak | Zhinjio: that would be useful |
| 00:38.56 | kebinusan | anyone happen to have a dogtag sequence that perhaps shows your threat as a relative percentage to the threat of the person who currently has aggro on your target, if thats even possible |
| 00:38.58 | NivFreak | so why doesn't your preference for auto-mode save? :) |
| 00:39.16 | Zhinjio | thats a good question. It works fine in the rewrite. |
| 00:39.20 | NivFreak | that would be a great thing to fix in the old version :) |
| 00:39.30 | NivFreak | while you dev/test the new one |
| 00:39.50 | Zhinjio | the new version is in branches if you want to poke around with it. |
| 00:39.55 | Zhinjio | branches/SKG |
| 00:40.00 | Zhinjio | don't run them both at the same tinme |
| 00:40.02 | Zhinjio | er, time |
| 00:40.02 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r65201 10oUF_Banzai/oUF_Banzai.lua: oUF_Banzai: Don't use secure hooks. |
| 00:40.05 | vhaarr | haste: is that better then |
| 00:40.25 | haste | should work fine |
| 00:40.25 | NivFreak | Zhinjio: does it play well with other people running the released version? |
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| 00:40.44 | Zhinjio | yes, no overlap |
| 00:40.52 | Zhinjio | they two cannot talk to each other |
| 00:40.57 | NivFreak | ah, darn |
| 00:41.05 | NivFreak | did the savedvars format change much? |
| 00:41.19 | Zhinjio | once I release, someone running both will be able to do a one time import of the old version's data into the new one |
| 00:41.27 | Zhinjio | they're completely different |
| 00:41.40 | NivFreak | so we'll need a new (or perhaps updated) sk_list |
| 00:41.46 | Zhinjio | yes. |
| 00:41.51 | NivFreak | I think it's worth tossing the old one :) |
| 00:41.52 | Zhinjio | I already talked to the author of that. |
| 00:42.28 | Zhinjio | release will also store data on loot events, so you'll be able to (theoretically) have a web thinger that tracks who got what loot, and when from SKG.lua SV files |
| 00:42.39 | NivFreak | that'd be great |
| 00:42.53 | NivFreak | because of the sensativity of loot |
| 00:42.58 | NivFreak | it'd be great if you could "rewind" the lists |
| 00:43.00 | Yssaril | fyi haste you inspired me to write my own unitframes :P and oUF was simple enough for me to understand how it works |
| 00:43.07 | NivFreak | so people could see how they morph |
| 00:43.50 | Zhinjio | on the website piece you mean? |
| 00:43.53 | Zhinjio | or in the addon? |
| 00:44.01 | NivFreak | either, or both |
| 00:44.08 | Zhinjio | nods |
| 00:44.17 | haste | Yssaril: hehe :3 |
| 00:44.18 | NivFreak | I have some difficulty getting people to run the addon unless they are officiers |
| 00:44.20 | NivFreak | officers |
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| 00:44.29 | NivFreak | so sk_list and /w suicide for the rest |
| 00:44.40 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r65202 10Recount/ (6 files): |
| 00:44.40 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 00:44.40 | CIA-9 | - Started new sync code. Shaman's greater elemental owner syncing finished (still missing first hit handling). |
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| 00:45.23 | Xinhuan | new sync code? :) |
| 00:45.29 | CIA-9 | 03egingell * r65203 10XRayVision/XRayVision.lua: |
| 00:45.29 | CIA-9 | XRayVision |
| 00:45.29 | CIA-9 | - Fixed for PTR 0.4.0 (2.4.0) |
| 00:45.38 | NivFreak | doesn't recount get new sync code every couple of months? :P |
| 00:45.46 | JoshBorke | i was gonna say hours |
| 00:45.46 | Xinhuan | dunno |
| 00:46.28 | Elsia | not really, I think this is the first time there is really new sync code... well there is hardly any and there probably will be hardly any when I'm done |
| 00:46.38 | Zhinjio | NivFreak: I'm glad you're using it. I'll have someone on here to help me bang on it when its ready for release |
| 00:46.41 | Elsia | i plan to have lazy syncing only, i.e. only sync out of combat |
| 00:47.21 | Xinhuan | what happens if someone is in combat, and someone isn't in combat in the same group/raid |
| 00:47.29 | Elsia | won't sync |
| 00:47.46 | Elsia | also it won't sync if it's not needed, i.e. if everyone is in UnitIsVisible range |
| 00:47.49 | Yssaril | Elsia, that be really nice (if your staring at your combat log while fighting then you aren't doing what ur supposed to be doing :P) |
| 00:48.19 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r65204 10Recount2/widgets/dropdown.lua: |
| 00:48.19 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 00:48.19 | CIA-9 | -Dropdown background is darker now |
| 00:48.19 | CIA-9 | -Dropdown will resize to proper width (except it seems for the first creation of a row need to look at delaying those checks or have a special fontstring for width checking?) |
| 00:48.22 | NivFreak | Zhinjio: yea, I'll start banging early |
| 00:48.30 | NivFreak | what's the risk of running both at once? |
| 00:48.47 | Cryect | Elsia: Currently syncing sounds like its not working at all on Live |
| 00:48.49 | Yssaril | Elsia, does the combat log report and event if say a person casting a spell is visible but the npc it lands on is not? |
| 00:49.15 | Zhinjio | NivFreak: honestly, I don't understand what could do it, but I had one single report of someone telling me that running both corrupted the old version's SV file. |
| 00:49.22 | NivFreak | yikes |
| 00:49.23 | Elsia | cryect: still original sync code, should work as well as it always did |
| 00:49.36 | Zhinjio | they don't use the same variables, SV files, or anything. So ... I don't know how it could have happened. |
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| 00:49.48 | Cryect | strange, prolly because you have the default set to not sync so a bunch of people still aren't syncing or something |
| 00:49.50 | Zhinjio | the person who reported it is also ... uh, how shall I phrase it... subject to pebkacs. |
| 00:49.58 | NivFreak | I'd more expect conflicts from things like the alt-clicks |
| 00:50.00 | NivFreak | and spams |
| 00:50.01 | Zhinjio | so ... take that for what its worth. |
| 00:50.02 | Cryect | with 2.4 you should reset their settings to the default |
| 00:50.05 | Elsia | yssaril: not sure I'll handle that case, don't think it's very likely |
| 00:50.25 | Elsia | cryect: possibly |
| 00:50.26 | Cryect | and enable syncing by default I guess again |
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| 00:50.33 | Yssaril | Elsia, hehe am just a pessimist at heart :P |
| 00:51.29 | Elsia | most raid encounters should be UnitIsVisible, or at least I'm guessing that's true |
| 00:51.42 | Cryect | Did you implement the you only send your data in live? |
| 00:51.45 | Yssaril | i would assume so |
| 00:51.54 | Elsia | and those that are not should be properly covered by what I plan to sync for |
| 00:52.17 | NeoTron | archimonde comes to mind as the only encounter |
| 00:52.24 | Elsia | cryect: no |
| 00:52.32 | Cryect | NeoTron, any event you teleport to a new location |
| 00:52.37 | Cryect | so thats more |
| 00:53.26 | NeoTron | well ok then. archimonde and kalecgos :P |
| 00:53.42 | Cryect | Elsia, hmmm strange then though not really going to worry about it since that code will all be depreciated next tuesday |
| 00:54.26 | Yssaril | btw whats the difference between the recount elsia is working on and the one cryect is working on? |
| 00:54.48 | Cryect | Recount 2 is a new version rewritten mostly from the ground up |
| 00:54.55 | Elsia | i work on old junk, cryect works on new shinies ;) |
| 00:55.11 | Cryect | will likely be incorporating changes Elsia has made later but nowhere near that point |
| 00:55.15 | Yssaril | rofl why bother with the old junk if you can help polish the shine? |
| 00:55.23 | Elsia | old junk runs ;) |
| 00:55.32 | Yssaril | bah |
| 00:55.34 | Cryect | Because its still a lot of basics being implemented |
| 00:55.47 | Cryect | and will be few months before Recount 2 is "feature complete" |
| 00:56.16 | Yssaril | basically patch up recount for new combat log and keep patching it till 2 is ready? |
| 00:56.18 | Elsia | I try to hack all new code in a rather modular fashion so hopefully it won't be a big deal to add it to recount 2 when it's ready to be added |
| 00:56.35 | Cryect | The data back end for example is completely different in Recount 2 |
| 00:56.36 | Elsia | well I won't go overboard with features that will be obsolete |
| 00:56.48 | exor674 | is 2.4 def. coming out next week? |
| 00:56.59 | Yssaril | good chance but u never know |
| 00:57.08 | Cryect | Unless there is a major bug prolly |
| 00:57.22 | Cryect | it was supposed to come out this week but that was delayed |
| 00:58.26 | CIA-9 | 03morgalm * r65205 10MorgDKP/ (13 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 00:58.26 | CIA-9 | MorgDKP: |
| 00:58.26 | CIA-9 | -Added php version detection to stop date_default_timezone_set() function unknown error (web) |
| 00:58.26 | CIA-9 | - Added empty array check to stop loop errors (web) |
| 00:58.26 | CIA-9 | - Added percent DKP option |
| 00:58.27 | CIA-9 | - Fixed Mount Hyjal zone checking |
| 00:58.29 | CIA-9 | - Fixed new waitlist members not being added to dkp events if raid was already started |
| 00:58.57 | Cryect | Oh and due to the way Recount 2 data backend has changed I've also made it very highly customizable the way you present data |
| 00:59.00 | Cryect | so thats another major change |
| 00:59.13 | Yssaril | cool |
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| 01:00.10 | antad | hey, i've backed up my addons folder to my own subversion repository, but obviously that messes up the wowace updater. is there anyway around that? |
| 01:02.36 | haste | use git :---D |
| 01:06.27 | CIA-9 | 03sylvanaar 072.4 * r65206 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/CustomFilters.lua: Prat: Custom filters now supports setting a different Sink-1.0 output for each filter. Yay! |
| 01:09.06 | [SW]Dodge | i want something like "spellTreeTable[spellData.spellTree.treeIndex] = { [start*duration] = 1 }" is that possible? |
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| 01:12.54 | antad | i guess i can try git out |
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| 01:16.26 | sylvanaar | oh man |
| 01:16.35 | [SW]Dodge | hm? |
| 01:16.44 | sylvanaar | this is alot of changes |
| 01:16.51 | CIA-9 | 03sylvanaar * r65207 10Prat/ (64 files in 11 dirs): Prat: 2.4 Changes merged to trunk. Couple lines are commented out until 2.4 goes live. |
| 01:16.59 | Yssaril | lol |
| 01:17.21 | Yssaril | kinda makes prat seam bloated :P |
| 01:17.31 | breser | Ellipsis: You around? |
| 01:17.40 | sylvanaar | it is bloated with goodness |
| 01:17.46 | Yssaril | :P |
| 01:18.01 | Yssaril | sylvanaar, do you actually use all its features yourself? |
| 01:18.08 | sylvanaar | no |
| 01:18.15 | Yssaril | hehe thought so :P |
| 01:18.22 | breser | There's actually features I wish Prat has but doesn't still... |
| 01:18.23 | sylvanaar | you can turn off the modules you dont use |
| 01:18.38 | sylvanaar | with autolod they take up no memory when you do that |
| 01:18.44 | Yssaril | iknow |
| 01:19.02 | Ellipsis | breser: that depends, are you planning to complain or worship me? |
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| 01:19.25 | sylvanaar | in any event - i like to call it "feature rich" instead of bloated |
| 01:19.29 | breser | I'll worship you if I can judge you into fixing PB-302 |
| 01:19.40 | breser | nudge* |
| 01:20.11 | Ellipsis | d'oh, that's the party/raid aura update bug isn't it |
| 01:20.20 | breser | Yes. |
| 01:20.34 | breser | I've been running the buggy version lately looking for trends. |
| 01:20.44 | breser | I have a couple things that may or may not help you track it down. |
| 01:20.53 | Ellipsis | yeah, I have no idea what's causing the issue and haven't had a WoW install to actually debug on for a while |
| 01:21.02 | Ellipsis | any info you can provide would definitely be appreciated |
| 01:21.17 | sylvanaar | breser what features doesn't prat have? |
| 01:21.19 | breser | It often happens to frames towards the bottom of a group. |
| 01:21.26 | breser | sylvanaar: logging feature. |
| 01:21.48 | breser | sylvanaar: way to bind a key to force it to scroll the frame to the bottom. |
| 01:22.00 | breser | sylvanaar: way to bind a key to tell it don't auto-scroll to the bottom for me. |
| 01:22.14 | sylvanaar | ah |
| 01:22.40 | sylvanaar | the last 2 sound handy |
| 01:22.57 | breser | sylvanaar: Module to use the logging and restore the previous chat sessions after you log back in. |
| 01:22.58 | sylvanaar | i dont know what you mean by logging, the client already has a chatlog |
| 01:23.02 | sylvanaar | oh |
| 01:23.02 | ckknight | here's a fun error: |
| 01:23.05 | ckknight | Message: ..\AddOns\CurseProfiler\CurseProfiler.lua line 140: |
| 01:23.05 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.10 | ckknight | :-P |
| 01:23.19 | Ellipsis | that's what you get for having such a big block |
| 01:23.21 | Ellipsis | says nothing |
| 01:23.22 | breser | There's an addon that does that already... |
| 01:23.42 | breser | But I haven't gotten around to seeing if it plays nice with Prat. |
| 01:23.43 | kenlyric_ | I think that's what you get for curse |
| 01:24.10 | breser | And while yes the game has /chatlog, be nice if you could check a box and it'd alwyas /chatlog for you on load. |
| 01:24.34 | sylvanaar | yeah - i think we decided that saving all those chat lines would require too much memory, and seeing as ppl already bitch and moan for prat's 30k per module memory use... |
| 01:24.36 | ckknight | kenlyric_: I'm rewriting cgProfiler |
| 01:24.47 | ckknight | to not be so suck |
| 01:25.02 | breser | sylvanaar: Well if it's a disabled by default module, then it's their own fault if they turn it on. :) |
| 01:25.22 | Yssaril | yar the logs should eb used sparingly cause they can get really big :P |
| 01:25.36 | breser | Anway back to Ellipsis... |
| 01:25.41 | Yssaril | had a taint log of 3GB once :P |
| 01:25.49 | breser | The frames that get stuck auras tend to be at the bottom of a group. |
| 01:25.55 | Cryect | ckknight, your plan for so much suck is to allocate memory in too big of blocks? :-p |
| 01:26.02 | Cryect | so not so much suck* |
| 01:26.05 | ckknight | I ran into a bug |
| 01:26.09 | Ellipsis | breser: that seems...odd |
| 01:26.10 | Cryect | heh |
| 01:26.17 | Ellipsis | any other patterns you've noticed? |
| 01:26.21 | breser | Switching from sorted by alphabetical will unstuck a frame. |
| 01:26.39 | breser | I haven't run it without the alpha sort long enough to say if that prevents the stick entirely. |
| 01:26.51 | Ellipsis | hmm |
| 01:26.56 | Ellipsis | did you play with any other settings? |
| 01:27.05 | sylvanaar | actually, prat uses lots of memory because of ace-oo |
| 01:27.05 | breser | It happens more often in PVP than PVE. |
| 01:27.16 | Ellipsis | o.O |
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| 01:27.54 | breser | I'm not sure if that's becuase you just get fresh raids more often with BGs than PVE or it's an actual trend. |
| 01:28.13 | Yssaril | sylvanaar, whats Ace-oo got to do with it? |
| 01:28.51 | breser | And Ellipsis you're drycoding massive changes to Pitbull O.O |
| 01:28.52 | sylvanaar | have you ever looked at ace-oo? |
| 01:29.06 | Ellipsis | breser: any idea whether the tooltip mismatch bug coincides with the broken updating, or does that occur regardless? |
| 01:29.06 | Yssaril | tryed to avoid it actually :P |
| 01:29.11 | sylvanaar | you cant |
| 01:29.14 | Ellipsis | breser: I don't drycode massive changes, o.O |
| 01:29.26 | Ellipsis | I don't think I've committed anything to pitbull without testing it first |
| 01:29.28 | breser | Ellipsis: Haven't seen the tooltip missmatch but I'll look for it now. |
| 01:29.32 | Yssaril | sure i can (i just pretend it dosnt exist :P) |
| 01:29.44 | breser | Ahh ok you just said you haven't had a WoW Install to test with for a while. |
| 01:29.49 | sylvanaar | aceaddon uses it, and its in every addon and module |
| 01:30.00 | Ellipsis | yeah, since about the time I stopped committing fixes :P |
| 01:30.12 | ckknight | AceOO creates 1 table for every instance of a class |
| 01:30.19 | ckknight | no more than that |
| 01:30.32 | breser | Incidentally the aggro indicator seems much less reliable lately. |
| 01:30.39 | Ellipsis | I've heard |
| 01:30.56 | Zhinjio | Is there a criteria for adding a project to the jira page? |
| 01:31.18 | Kemayo | You must defeat the Dread Kaelten in reasoned debate. |
| 01:31.31 | Zhinjio | Heya ckknight. |
| 01:31.36 | ckknight | hey Zhinjio |
| 01:31.46 | ckknight | Kemayo: no, you have to bug him for 2 weeks until he rememberrs |
| 01:31.48 | ckknight | remembers* |
| 01:31.49 | Zhinjio | Kemayo: I have much debate fu. Lemme at 'im. |
| 01:31.49 | ckknight | :-P |
| 01:32.09 | breser | Ellipsis: If there's something I can do to help try to find the problem I'll be happy to, but not knowing the code it's hard for me to find it myself. |
| 01:32.15 | Zhinjio | Ellipsis: !! |
| 01:32.23 | Ellipsis | Zhinjio: ?? |
| 01:33.00 | Zhinjio | grins |
| 01:33.02 | Zhinjio | <3 |
| 01:33.12 | sylvanaar | well, i suppose i could be wrong about it, but i cant really explain the memory use any other way then. |
| 01:33.39 | Zhinjio | ckknight: didn't you say Kaelten is out travelling in AL or something? |
| 01:33.47 | Zhinjio | guess I'll wait to bug him until he gets back |
| 01:33.58 | ckknight | yea, he was finding a place to live when he moves out there |
| 01:34.02 | Zhinjio | I suppose I could throw up my own jira, but... *shrug* |
| 01:34.04 | ckknight | I'll be moving out there too |
| 01:34.27 | Zhinjio | my brain cannot conceive of *wanting* to move to Alabama... but I suppose to each their own. |
| 01:34.37 | ckknight | okay, the bug was putting 520k values into a table |
| 01:34.40 | Ellipsis | who said anything about wanting? |
| 01:34.49 | Zhinjio | aha. point. |
| 01:35.24 | Zhinjio | also, ck: I've been throwing all kinds of tables, strings of all kinds of sizes and consistency since that fix... its been flawless since then. |
| 01:35.38 | Ellipsis | fix? |
| 01:35.42 | Ellipsis | wait, he did the rockcomm thing? |
| 01:35.48 | Zhinjio | I did. |
| 01:35.55 | Ellipsis | oh |
| 01:36.02 | Zhinjio | I beat through that code last night until my brain hurt. |
| 01:36.07 | Zhinjio | and eventually found the problem. |
| 01:36.08 | ckknight | Zhinjio: things are cheaper there and I'll still have a job, I can get 15 Mib/s internet for $75/month and afford a house |
| 01:36.10 | Zhinjio | one line fix. |
| 01:36.11 | breser | 520k of what into a table? |
| 01:36.14 | ckknight | so yea, AL isn't that bad |
| 01:36.18 | Ellipsis | Zhinjio: yeah, I read the ticket |
| 01:36.22 | Zhinjio | *nod* |
| 01:36.24 | ckknight | breser: infinite loop |
| 01:36.32 | ckknight | I fixed it now anyway |
| 01:36.34 | Zhinjio | nods to ckk |
| 01:36.39 | Zhinjio | all of that is true. |
| 01:36.47 | Zhinjio | you want to get a house already? |
| 01:36.55 | ckknight | why not get a house? |
| 01:37.11 | Zhinjio | well, certainly, if you can afford, there is no real reason not to |
| 01:37.18 | Zhinjio | (other than perhaps a bad housing market) |
| 01:37.20 | ckknight | and a living room filled with ball pit balls |
| 01:37.22 | ckknight | and a Wii |
| 01:37.24 | ckknight | and an XBox-360 |
| 01:37.27 | ckknight | and Rock Band |
| 01:37.29 | ckknight | in the ball pit |
| 01:37.30 | Zhinjio | but this is a buyers market right now, so thats all good |
| 01:37.31 | ckknight | you know you wanna come |
| 01:37.33 | Ellipsis | is jealous |
| 01:37.40 | Zhinjio | I do. |
| 01:37.42 | Zhinjio | already |
| 01:37.52 | ckknight | the ball pit will be expensive, though |
| 01:37.57 | Wobin | Welcome to mortgage |
| 01:37.59 | ckknight | shipping costs more than the balls themselves |
| 01:38.00 | Zhinjio | well, up front cost, yeah. |
| 01:38.07 | Wobin | PS it -will- tie you down |
| 01:38.16 | ckknight | Wobin: actually I plan to pay off the mortgage within 5 years, houses are cheap and my income is reasonable |
| 01:38.21 | Wobin | unless you can get a job elsewhere that can cover your mortgage =) |
| 01:38.40 | Zhinjio | ckk: I think thats *everyone's* plan when they first start out *grin* |
| 01:38.43 | Wobin | Hmf |
| 01:38.51 | ckknight | *thumbs up* |
| 01:39.02 | Wobin | Apparently I live in the country with the highest property costs in comparison to salary |
| 01:39.11 | Wobin | bastards |
| 01:39.53 | breser | Wobin: Property can be cheap or expensive in the US. Just depends on where. |
| 01:40.01 | Zhinjio | very true |
| 01:40.05 | breser | California = absurd. |
| 01:40.13 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 01:40.22 | Wobin | no, I mean on average in comparison to the average salary in the location |
| 01:40.45 | Funkeh` | Antiarc, ping |
| 01:40.49 | Antiarc | Pong |
| 01:40.54 | Funkeh` | pm |
| 01:40.59 | Wobin | On some level it may be people buying outside or near their upper limit on affordability |
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| 01:41.21 | Zhinjio | My SiL just bought a house in NY. $34K. Bit of a fixer-upper, granted, but still. THIRTY |
| 01:41.38 | Zhinjio | my brain is having a hard time wrapping around that. |
| 01:41.38 | Wobin | wtf? |
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| 01:41.44 | Wobin | I paid 280k for this apartment =P |
| 01:41.59 | Wobin | 34k will get you a CAR |
| 01:42.00 | breser | Only problem for many people in the US with buying a house right now is if you don't qualify for a prime loan the banks don't want to touch you right now. |
| 01:42.22 | Wobin | but if you're spending more than 70% of your pay (shared) on your mortgage payments.... |
| 01:42.46 | Zhinjio | the price was so low the banks had to forgo the mort.insurance bonus just to make the loan large enough. just insane. |
| 01:42.50 | Wobin | pft |
| 01:42.55 | breser | If you're spending more than 50% of your income on mortgage payments you're an idiot IMHO. |
| 01:42.56 | Wobin | I'd buy a house in the US |
| 01:43.04 | Wobin | breser: My point exactly |
| 01:43.12 | Ellipsis | if you're paying for a mortgage you're an idiot imo :P |
| 01:43.21 | Wobin | I'd buy a house in the US. If it didn't involve living in the US |
| 01:43.24 | breser | I paid cash for my house. |
| 01:43.29 | chiper | a LOT of people in CA bought houses on 50 year payment plans, others bought on flex interest rates. most were buying houses that cost 5-10 years worth of income |
| 01:43.30 | Ellipsis | see, breser is sane! |
| 01:43.39 | chiper | that's why there's so many foreclosures |
| 01:43.40 | Wobin | you're all batshit crazy |
| 01:43.43 | sylvanaar | i'm selling my house - anyone want to buy it |
| 01:43.46 | Ellipsis | Wobin: no u |
| 01:43.50 | Wobin | no really |
| 01:43.53 | Wobin | you're all batshit crazy |
| 01:43.58 | Ellipsis | PS: you never followed up on that fubarplugin jira ticket |
| 01:44.03 | Ellipsis | stabs Wobin |
| 01:44.08 | Wobin | Ellipsis: what? |
| 01:44.14 | Wobin | with hide plugin? |
| 01:44.19 | Ellipsis | yeah |
| 01:44.23 | Wobin | That's not my error =P |
| 01:44.29 | Wobin | Why aren't you bugging CK to fix it? |
| 01:44.40 | chiper | ellipsis: actually, most accountants say it's more worth it to buy a home on a mortgage. you can write off the interest on your taxes |
| 01:44.48 | Ellipsis | Wobin: because it's not broken? |
| 01:44.54 | Ellipsis | did you even read my comment on it? :P |
| 01:44.56 | breser | Because the amount of bugging you do of ck is inversely proportional to how quickly he fixes it. |
| 01:44.59 | Wobin | Ellipsis: no =) |
| 01:45.03 | Ellipsis | http://jira.wowace.com/browse/FUB-89 |
| 01:45.04 | Zhinjio | yeah, owning a house is a very nice tax break. |
| 01:45.07 | Wobin | Because I've stopped support on any of my fubar addons |
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| 01:45.26 | Ellipsis | chiper: it's more worth it to be in debt? |
| 01:45.31 | breser | chiper: Either way you're spending the money. Either you pay the taxes or you pay the bank. |
| 01:45.40 | Stanzilla | FUB-1 is teh shit |
| 01:45.47 | chiper | breser: true |
| 01:45.48 | breser | chiper: Taking a mortgage for a tax break just to pay it to a bank isn't that logical. |
| 01:45.49 | Ellipsis | Stanzilla: then you should implement it :) |
| 01:46.00 | Stanzilla | my cat codes better than me |
| 01:46.02 | Zhinjio | right. that is the base assumptioon: that being in *any* debt is an "acceptable" state |
| 01:46.05 | Ellipsis | then have him do it! |
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| 01:46.16 | Stanzilla | okay |
| 01:46.37 | Stanzilla | he's still waiting for his svn account :( |
| 01:46.38 | chiper | but look at it this way. if you have the full cost of the house saved up, you can put that money into a money market account and likely pay your mortgage with the earnings |
| 01:46.40 | breser | Zhinjio: Reasonable amounts of debt are fine. Especially if you have the means to pay it off in a reasonable timeframe. |
| 01:46.59 | Ellipsis | breser: if they're such reasonable amounts, why couldn't you have saved up the money before spending it instead? |
| 01:47.02 | Zhinjio | Ellipsis' assertion is to not be in debt at all |
| 01:47.18 | Zhinjio | Personally: I have plenty of debt. |
| 01:47.23 | sylvanaar | you realise most people cant save up the price of thier house until they are near retirement |
| 01:47.30 | Ellipsis | sylvanaar: then they're doing it wrong |
| 01:47.33 | Zhinjio | so obviously, I'm not living up to her "standards", as it were. |
| 01:47.34 | chiper | sylvanaar: yeah, there's that too |
| 01:47.50 | chiper | Ellipsis: how much do homes in your area cost? |
| 01:47.53 | Wobin | Ellipsis: If cannotAttachToMinimap is false, you're implying you -can- attach to the minimap |
| 01:48.04 | Ellipsis | chiper: at the moment I am in california, so I'd imagine a lot |
| 01:48.06 | breser | Ellipsis: If what is such reasonable amounts. I'll buy a car on a loan when the interest is nothing or damn near nothing even if I have the cash to buy it now. |
| 01:48.09 | breser | Did that with my truck. |
| 01:48.16 | Ellipsis | breser: why? |
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| 01:48.25 | chiper | Ellipsis: good luck buying a home in CA with saved income. you'll be saving for a very long time |
| 01:48.28 | Ellipsis | if you have the money to pay for something why would you borrow cash for that? |
| 01:48.29 | breser | Umm opportunity cost. |
| 01:48.40 | breser | Let's say I can get a loan for 0% interest. |
| 01:48.43 | Ellipsis | chiper: see that's just it, I would never buy a home if I didn't have the cash |
| 01:48.48 | sylvanaar | are you in school Ellipsis? how do you pay for it? how do you pay for where you live? |
| 01:48.49 | chiper | unless you inherited your money, in which case your input isn't worth that |
| 01:48.50 | breser | Which is easy for an automobile. |
| 01:48.55 | Wobin | Ellipsis doesn't want to OWE THE MAN |
| 01:48.56 | Ellipsis | sylvanaar: I am not in school, and I have no job |
| 01:49.05 | breser | I take the cash, put it in the bank, earn interest, take the money out for the payment. |
| 01:49.15 | sylvanaar | so how do you pay for things? |
| 01:49.17 | Funkeh` | Any hunters know any out of instance mob that frenzies to test tranq? |
| 01:49.17 | breser | I've made money off borrowing he money and got a truck. |
| 01:49.21 | Funkeh` | even low level |
| 01:49.23 | Ellipsis | sylvanaar: for the most part, I just don't spend a lot |
| 01:49.26 | chiper | rentals are a real sinkhole |
| 01:49.40 | Wobin | Renting is -such- a sinkhole |
| 01:49.46 | Wobin | all that money |
| 01:49.47 | Yssaril | Funkeh`, i think the earliest you see it is MC :P |
| 01:49.47 | Keias | Funkeh`, I haven't played a Hunter in forever |
| 01:49.49 | Wobin | going nowhere effective |
| 01:49.49 | Ellipsis | see, since I don't have lots of income, I don't throw money away on things I don't need |
| 01:49.50 | sylvanaar | how can you spend anything with no job? boyfriend/husband? |
| 01:49.53 | Keias | But maybe those elementals in UB? |
| 01:49.59 | Wobin | Ellipsis: Do you own where you live? |
| 01:50.00 | Funkeh` | UB? |
| 01:50.01 | Ellipsis | sylvanaar: my parents provide some cash |
| 01:50.03 | Keias | Underbog |
| 01:50.04 | Ellipsis | Wobin: I'm living in a hotel atm |
| 01:50.07 | Wobin | ow |
| 01:50.09 | sylvanaar | oh |
| 01:50.10 | Keias | Right after the first couple sporebat pulls |
| 01:50.10 | Wobin | wtf? |
| 01:50.12 | chiper | ... |
| 01:50.19 | chiper | now THATS a sinkhole |
| 01:50.21 | Wobin | how is that effective spending? |
| 01:50.26 | Wobin | oh wait |
| 01:50.27 | Zhinjio | the thing I will say, though ... is that if I'm going to pay $1200/month as a cost that puts a roof over my house, I'd MUCH rather pay that into a mortgage with interest that earns me at least a little bit of equity instead of to a landlord who gives me *nothing* in equity. |
| 01:50.31 | Ellipsis | it's temporary |
| 01:50.32 | Wobin | that -is- effective spending |
| 01:50.34 | Ellipsis | relax, guys |
| 01:50.56 | chiper | Zhinjio: exactly |
| 01:50.57 | Keias | WHO CAN RELAX IN A TIME LIKE THIS ELLIPSIS?! |
| 01:51.07 | breser | Zhinjio: Generally yes. But if you're not going to stay put for a while buying a home is a bad idea. |
| 01:51.07 | Stanzilla | WE'RE AT WAR |
| 01:51.08 | Cryect | <breser> I take the cash, put it in the bank, earn interest, take the money out for the payment. |
| 01:51.09 | Stanzilla | sry.. |
| 01:51.12 | Wobin | Zhinjio: Yes, but that's in the view to use the equity in another loan. Which Ellipsis does not want to do |
| 01:51.17 | Cryect | Whee the great bank interest rates at the moment :-p |
| 01:51.18 | Zhinjio | it'd be different if my housing cost is otherwise free or minimal. |
| 01:51.18 | sylvanaar | well, you know a house has ALOT of risk in terms of needing maintenance and whatnot too |
| 01:51.19 | Ellipsis | Zhinjio: why don't you move somewhere cheaper and save up the cash until you can actually afford it? |
| 01:51.20 | Zhinjio | but, it isn't. |
| 01:51.38 | breser | Cryect: Doesn't matter, if the loan is for 0%, any interest is better than 0% |
| 01:51.58 | Wobin | looks at his 8% interest |
| 01:52.03 | Wobin | blech |
| 01:52.09 | sylvanaar | living with your parents until you have enough money to buy a house really isnt such a great option |
| 01:52.11 | Zhinjio | Ellipsis: my location of living is not determined by where housing is cheap. It is determined by where I LIKE living. As it turns out, housing here isn't cheap. |
| 01:52.15 | chiper | Ellipsis: it must be nice not having any obligations, so that you can freely move anywhere in the country you want |
| 01:52.15 | Zhinjio | so ... I have to deal with that. |
| 01:52.25 | Wobin | sylvanaar: hehe I wouldn't be able to stand it |
| 01:52.30 | Ellipsis | chiper: it is, actually |
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| 01:52.42 | Ellipsis | however I need that flexibility given my lack of income |
| 01:52.43 | Zhinjio | I've visited nearly every state in this country at least once. |
| 01:52.55 | Zhinjio | There are, maybe ... a half dozen states I'd live in, given choice. |
| 01:53.00 | Wobin | Ellipsis: how long can this state survive though? |
| 01:53.17 | Zhinjio | none of them really have truly cheap digs |
| 01:53.25 | Zhinjio | and I refuse to live in Wyoming. |
| 01:53.32 | Ellipsis | Wobin: well, I moved out of my parents' house 4 years ago |
| 01:53.41 | Wobin | And they're still supporting you? |
| 01:53.46 | Ellipsis | yes |
| 01:53.53 | Ellipsis | though I really don't spend much |
| 01:53.53 | Wobin | What happens when that runs out? |
| 01:53.58 | Ellipsis | it doesn't :) |
| 01:54.01 | Wobin | You're living in a hotel =P |
| 01:54.07 | Wobin | How does that constitute as cheap? =) |
| 01:54.25 | Wobin | Ellipsis: Hate to say it, but it will run out |
| 01:54.25 | Ellipsis | that's because ck and I needed a place to stay temporarily. |
| 01:54.28 | Wobin | Eventually |
| 01:54.46 | chiper | personally I'm much more comfortable with a steady job, a house I dont have to worry about being thrown out of, and a fiance I love. what you're doing is basically one step above homelessness |
| 01:54.55 | Ellipsis | chiper: to each his own :) |
| 01:54.56 | Wobin | agrees with chiper |
| 01:55.09 | Ellipsis | still, that's irrelevant to the mortgage discussion |
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| 01:55.27 | Ellipsis | if you have a steady job, then you should be able to save up the extra income and then be able to afford your own place |
| 01:55.40 | Zhinjio | (in 30 years) |
| 01:55.45 | Ellipsis | (then you're doing it wrong) |
| 01:55.49 | Wobin | Well, aside from Ellipsis' situation, Rental payments are still an empty hole for money |
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| 01:55.58 | chiper | just because it's steady, doesn't mean it pays alot |
| 01:56.09 | Ellipsis | if it doesn't pay a lot, then don't spend a lot |
| 01:56.11 | Ellipsis | it's simple logic |
| 01:56.13 | Zhinjio | by "doing it wrong", do you mean, "not earning enough"? |
| 01:56.13 | Wobin | Zhinjio: Well, if you can buy a house for 34k (WTF?) that may be possible |
| 01:56.17 | chiper | I make enough to my mortgage. if I were paying rent, I would make enough to save it |
| 01:56.28 | Zhinjio | Wobin: I couldn't/wouldn't live in that area. |
| 01:56.29 | Ellipsis | Zhinjio: I mean you are spending too much of what you earn |
| 01:56.33 | Zhinjio | so that part of the discussion is moot. |
| 01:56.37 | Wobin | Zhinjio: true that |
| 01:56.40 | Ellipsis | you can fix that by earning more, or you can fix that by spending less |
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| 01:56.40 | sylvanaar | well, your opinions tend to change when you have actually been faced with the decisions yourself. You can theorize all you want |
| 01:56.52 | Ellipsis | sylvanaar: you don't think I've been faced with decisions like that? |
| 01:56.53 | Zhinjio | ok, so instead of "not earning enough", you mean "not living in the right place" |
| 01:56.57 | Wobin | Ellipsis: how much have you saved up to buy your own place? |
| 01:57.10 | Zhinjio | because everything here that is a reasonable place to live costs more than my current mortgage. |
| 01:57.20 | Ellipsis | Wobin: I'm not planning to buy a house anytime soon, but I do have some money saved up for whatever I choose to spend it on |
| 01:57.22 | Zhinjio | so I'm saving money by not renting |
| 01:57.25 | Wobin | And there are limits for 'reasonable' |
| 01:57.32 | Zhinjio | of course |
| 01:57.33 | breser | I don't think it's realistic for most people to buy a house for cash. But I do think it's realistic for most people to put down a decent down payment and not be spending absurd amounts of their income on their mortgage. |
| 01:57.35 | Wobin | cause there -are- neighbourhoods you do -not- want to live in |
| 01:57.48 | chiper | breser: I agree |
| 01:57.57 | Zhinjio | no question. my basis of comparison was a two bedroom apartment in Boulder where I used to live before I bought hte house |
| 01:58.01 | Wobin | breser: Depends on average wage vs average property costs |
| 01:58.04 | breser | However the banking industry has come up with all these "products" where you don't have to put money down, where you can get multiple loans to borrow more than you should... |
| 01:58.07 | Wobin | as was the start of this conversation =) |
| 01:58.08 | breser | And that's just flat out dumb. |
| 01:58.10 | chiper | some of the mortgages I heard of people around here getting were absolutely ubsurd |
| 01:58.29 | Ellipsis | it doesn't matter how much the monthly payments are |
| 01:58.31 | Zhinjio | chiper: thats the reason the banks are in trouble now |
| 01:58.33 | Ellipsis | you're paying more in the end |
| 01:58.42 | chiper | Zhinjio: yeah, I heard about WaMu |
| 01:58.57 | chiper | fucked themselves over, they did |
| 01:58.58 | Wobin | Ellipsis: Yess.... but if you -weren't- paying it, you'd -still- be paying rent |
| 01:59.03 | Zhinjio | several banks have. |
| 01:59.04 | Wobin | while you saved up to pay for it |
| 01:59.09 | Wobin | unless you were living at your parents |
| 01:59.13 | Wobin | or had other means of support |
| 01:59.19 | Zhinjio | in general, banks *should* be willing to make deals, but ultimately, the have the HOUSE in case you default. |
| 01:59.20 | Ellipsis | Wobin: yes, you would, and you'd still be paying less in rent over that time than you'd pay in interest on your mortgage |
| 01:59.22 | Wobin | which invalidates your situation |
| 01:59.31 | Yssaril | lua> 1/nil |
| 01:59.31 | lua_bot | Yssaril: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value |
| 01:59.33 | Zhinjio | but if they do that too much, and they can't get rid of the houses afterweards to new buyers... they're screwed. |
| 01:59.38 | Wobin | Ellipsis: I pay maybe 100 more a month on mortgage than I did on rental |
| 01:59.47 | Wobin | Thats... 1.2k a year |
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| 02:00.01 | Wobin | And so. To buy my apartment, I'd have to save for... 20 years |
| 02:00.08 | Wobin | or thereabouts |
| 02:00.21 | Zhinjio | (and not have any equity) |
| 02:00.36 | Zhinjio | (other than yr cash) |
| 02:00.36 | breser | if his property doesn't appreciate by 1.2k a year he's either living in a dump or he made a poor choice in what he bought. |
| 02:00.42 | sylvanaar | and during that time - you could not spend any money on things you enjoy |
| 02:00.42 | Wobin | yep |
| 02:00.44 | Ellipsis | Zhinjio: and that's the key point |
| 02:00.55 | Ellipsis | you have CASH if you need it |
| 02:01.01 | Ellipsis | equity is nothing |
| 02:01.01 | Wobin | but you can't USE it |
| 02:01.05 | Wobin | cause you're SAVING UP |
| 02:01.08 | Ellipsis | you can, it will just set you back |
| 02:01.08 | Wobin | to BUY THE PLACE |
| 02:01.10 | chiper | the other aspect that no one has mentioned, is that when you do sell the house, even if you haven't paid it off, you stand a chance to MAKE money on the sale. at least, you could before the housing market crashed |
| 02:01.11 | Zhinjio | I guarantee my house has appreciated more in value than any bank loan I could have had in that same time frame. |
| 02:01.13 | breser | I bought my house in 1999 and it's doubled in value since then. |
| 02:01.13 | Wobin | So. |
| 02:01.20 | Wobin | It'll take me 30 years to buy my apartment |
| 02:01.22 | Zhinjio | breser: exactly. |
| 02:01.22 | Wobin | argh |
| 02:01.36 | Ellipsis | chiper: you'd make a lot more if you actually *bought* the house rather than rented it from the bank |
| 02:01.44 | Ellipsis | since you wouldn't be paying all that interest |
| 02:01.49 | chiper | no, you wouldnt |
| 02:01.51 | breser | Now that's not an income because if I sold it I'd have to get something else which of course would cost me twice as much. |
| 02:01.52 | Wobin | Wait wait |
| 02:01.56 | Wobin | What about those 30 years? |
| 02:02.00 | chiper | you'd have the same money you started with |
| 02:02.10 | Wobin | I've spent 30 years saving up for that apartment! |
| 02:02.11 | breser | However, the opportunity cost of waiting to buy a property is that the property values will increase. |
| 02:02.18 | Ellipsis | chiper: if you sell it for more than you bought it for, you make money |
| 02:02.18 | Zhinjio | Ellipsis: show me a place to put my cash that doubles my money in 6 years. |
| 02:02.22 | Kalroth | If you're a millionaire (or your parents are) then you buy a house, for everyone else there's mortgages. |
| 02:02.26 | Zhinjio | that has "reasonable risk" |
| 02:02.27 | chiper | weather the money comes from the bank or it comes from your savings acount... capitol is capitol |
| 02:02.30 | Wobin | And in 30 years I STILL CAN'T AFFORD IT |
| 02:02.34 | sylvanaar | now, after 30 years its gone up in value 100% and you cant afford it |
| 02:02.45 | Wobin | sylvanaar: WIN |
| 02:02.51 | chiper | Zhinjio: heh, 5 years ago, that was san diego |
| 02:02.52 | Zhinjio | heh, exactly |
| 02:02.52 | Ellipsis | Zhinjio: so you'd rather gamble with money that ISN'T yours? |
| 02:03.02 | Zhinjio | hell yes! |
| 02:03.11 | chiper | hahaha |
| 02:03.18 | Kalroth | Why is it a gamble? You -need- something to live in. The prices change, too bad. |
| 02:03.18 | Ellipsis | and what happens if you lose? :) |
| 02:03.22 | breser | Zhinjio: Everyone "gambles" with money that isn't theirs. |
| 02:03.32 | Wobin | You're gambling with your parents money |
| 02:03.34 | Zhinjio | I keep living in the house and suffer no loss |
| 02:03.41 | Ellipsis | Kalroth: because you're PAYING the bank interest to use THEIR money which you may not be able to pay back when you need to |
| 02:03.43 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 02:03.45 | Ellipsis | that sounds pretty risky to me |
| 02:04.00 | Wobin | Ellipsis: There are these things called contracts |
| 02:04.00 | Kalroth | Ellipsis: How would you not be able to pay it back? |
| 02:04.01 | Ellipsis | Wobin: I don't gamble |
| 02:04.06 | Zhinjio | thats the great part. |
| 02:04.14 | Ellipsis | Kalroth: because you don't have the money yet, and you can't guarantee that you will |
| 02:04.16 | breser | Ellipsis: There is no profit without risk. |
| 02:04.27 | Zhinjio | I buy a house for $200K. THe bank owns every except the doorknob that my down payment payed for. |
| 02:04.28 | Kalroth | Ellipsis: Then it's the bank gambling, not you. :) |
| 02:04.40 | Zhinjio | If it appreciates in value in the coming years, the proifit is MINEW |
| 02:04.41 | Ellipsis | breser: I agree, but you shouldn't be trying to profit when you're in debt |
| 02:04.43 | Wobin | Ellipsis: You can just declare bankruptcy |
| 02:04.46 | Zhinjio | the bank gets none of that. |
| 02:04.53 | Wobin | if it comes to that |
| 02:04.56 | Ellipsis | Wobin: ahh, the solution to all life's problems! |
| 02:05.00 | chiper | zhin: my mother bought a little one bedroom stone house here in SD in 2002 for $150,000 (which was one hell of a steal, sellers didn't know what they had). We sold it in 2005 for $350k. |
| 02:05.03 | Zhinjio | if it loses in value: I suffer no loss other than not really being able to move for not wanting to take a hit. |
| 02:05.04 | p3lim | is there some list over all errormessages ingame? |
| 02:05.07 | p3lim | aka this event: UI_ERROR_MESSAGE |
| 02:05.12 | Wobin | Ellipsis: Well. If you're not worried about borrowing money. WHAT DOES IT MATTER? |
| 02:05.14 | Kalroth | Zhinjio: Yup, exactly. |
| 02:05.27 | Ellipsis | Wobin: huh? |
| 02:05.32 | breser | Ellipsis: While I'll agree with you that generally Americans overuse credit, I think you're being silly and underutilizing it. |
| 02:05.45 | Wobin | I think breser sums it up well |
| 02:05.53 | Ellipsis | breser: I don't see how spending only the money I have is "underutilizing" anything |
| 02:05.59 | Wobin | er |
| 02:06.00 | p3lim | if someone knows, please say |
| 02:06.03 | Ellipsis | I see it as common sense - if I can't afford it, I don't buy it |
| 02:06.10 | Wobin | underutilising due to the fact that you don't take advantage of it |
| 02:06.22 | Wobin | one has nothing to do with the other =P |
| 02:06.29 | breser | Ellipsis: Borrowing money isn't universally bad. |
| 02:06.30 | Kemayo | p3lim: A lot of them are in GlobalStrings.lua |
| 02:06.38 | Ellipsis | breser: I especially don't see myself "underutilizing" credit since all your assumptions about why credit is good for people rely on a steady income |
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| 02:06.43 | breser | Borrowing that which you can't repay is bad. |
| 02:06.45 | p3lim | ill take a look, thanks |
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| 02:06.57 | Ellipsis | if I am not making money then I have no reason to expect I'll be able to pay something off in the future that I can't now |
| 02:07.13 | breser | Ellipsis: Seems to me you're advocating nobody should ever buy a house with a mortgage. |
| 02:07.15 | Wobin | Well, this is true. Currently Ellipsis's situation is that she does not have a steady income and is not intending towards that in the near future |
| 02:07.32 | Ellipsis | breser: yes, I am |
| 02:07.33 | breser | I'm not really making judgements on your specific case so much as your arguments of what everyone should do. |
| 02:07.34 | Wobin | So thus, any loans would be silly |
| 02:07.49 | chiper | Ellipsis: for small purchases I agree 100%. I wish I hadn't financed my new bed (well, at least I do until I go to bed, then I don't care anymore because it feels ohhhhh so good). but when we're talking about a $200,000+ purchase, saving just isn't feasable. |
| 02:07.55 | Wobin | Since she'd be dependant on her parents paying for it |
| 02:07.56 | Kemayo | p3lim: Specifically, there's a lot of constants in Globalstrings that start with "ERR_". |
| 02:08.08 | Ellipsis | chiper: see, that's just it - people's definition of "small" is ridiculous these days |
| 02:08.18 | Ellipsis | there are financing deals on $300 computers these days |
| 02:08.21 | p3lim | specifically looking for "Item is not ready." :) |
| 02:08.22 | Ellipsis | it's absolutely stupid |
| 02:08.24 | p3lim | but i found it |
| 02:08.26 | chiper | my bed cost $2600 |
| 02:08.26 | Wobin | I agree |
| 02:08.31 | chiper | my car as $7100 |
| 02:08.33 | Ellipsis | I don't think anything under $500k is "small" enough to require any sort of loan |
| 02:08.54 | chiper | those are my only two debts right now. well, except for my credit card that I still owe $200 on |
| 02:09.07 | Wobin | One of my friends worked at FlexiRent, which did small scale loans for items like that |
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| 02:09.19 | chiper | financing on a computer is ubsurd |
| 02:09.23 | Kalroth | Ellipsis: Would you say the same without your parents backing you? Because that sounds extremely silly to me. |
| 02:09.24 | Wobin | His main complaint was that all the applicants were utter absolute idiots |
| 02:09.29 | Wobin | for making the loan |
| 02:09.33 | Ellipsis | credit cards are particularly dumb, since nearly everything you buy with a credit card falls under even YOUR definition of "small" |
| 02:09.46 | Wobin | Ellipsis: I pay off my credit card every month |
| 02:09.48 | Ellipsis | Kalroth: yes I would, because I don't believe in spending money I don't have |
| 02:09.56 | Wobin | It's more of a debit card for me |
| 02:09.58 | breser | Personally I buy everything on a credit card and then pay it off every month. |
| 02:10.09 | Zhinjio | Wobin: same. It is means to handle accounting, not borrow money |
| 02:10.21 | Zhinjio | I earn cool bonus prizes for using the card *grin* |
| 02:10.22 | breser | I just find it convenient. |
| 02:10.23 | Kalroth | Ellipsis: So you'd rather wait until you got, say $300k for a house than loan money for it? Even if it takes you 10+ years to get the money? |
| 02:10.23 | chiper | my credit card is for emergencies only. the remaining balance is from when my breaks broke and it cost $600 to repair them |
| 02:10.31 | Zhinjio | like frequent flyer miles |
| 02:10.31 | Yssaril | plus you get free stuff for using a creditcard :P |
| 02:10.36 | Wobin | Also, most places accept payment by credit card, and not for debit cards |
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| 02:10.53 | Zhinjio | example: the apple store DOES NOT TAKE CASH. |
| 02:11.02 | chiper | it doesnt? |
| 02:11.05 | Zhinjio | no |
| 02:11.06 | kenlyric | technically, you're paying the bank rent |
| 02:11.07 | Wobin | So many places do not take cash anymore =\ |
| 02:11.08 | Zhinjio | credit only |
| 02:11.16 | Kalroth | kenlyric: Yup, exactly |
| 02:11.20 | kenlyric | you're not actually spending money you don't have when you buy a house |
| 02:11.22 | chiper | that sucks, considering many of them are in malls |
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| 02:11.32 | kenlyric | except, unlike rent, at the end you get to keep it |
| 02:11.37 | Wobin | Although, I have to admit, I've done the whole creditless society thing for a year |
| 02:11.50 | Wobin | It's a fucking pain walking around with thousands of dollars in notes on you |
| 02:11.52 | Kalroth | <renting an apartment while making money for house> vs <mortgage> |
| 02:11.55 | Wobin | when you're trying to buy something |
| 02:12.01 | Wobin | or paying rent |
| 02:12.08 | Zhinjio | nods. |
| 02:12.13 | Wobin | Cause you don't want to get mugged |
| 02:12.14 | Zhinjio | living completely off the grid is HARD. |
| 02:12.28 | kenlyric | likes the grid |
| 02:12.35 | kenlyric | wants the grid implanted in his body |
| 02:12.42 | Kalroth | I don't get the aversion against creditcards, as long as they've got a positive amount on them. :) |
| 02:12.49 | Zhinjio | drools on the grid. |
| 02:13.26 | Wobin | The silly people are the ones who cash advance on their credit card |
| 02:13.34 | Zhinjio | I will admit, freely, though ... that people who don't use credit cards responsibly end up in serious trouble eventually. |
| 02:13.36 | kenlyric | we are now as debt free as possible, just the mortgage and student loans left |
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| 02:13.48 | kenlyric | yeah zhin, i was one of those people. |
| 02:13.49 | Wobin | I'd only ever do that if it were an extreme emergency and I was overseas |
| 02:13.49 | Zhinjio | I had a friend in FL who had his mortgage being paid for every month via credit cards. |
| 02:13.58 | Ellipsis | bah, ck came home and killed the interwebs. what did I miss? |
| 02:14.01 | Zhinjio | he had someonthing like 17 Credit cards at one point, all maxed. |
| 02:14.01 | kenlyric | made $50 a week and credit card with $1000 limit... big mistake |
| 02:14.14 | Wobin | Not too much |
| 02:14.14 | kenlyric | egads |
| 02:14.20 | Zhinjio | it was truly sick |
| 02:14.21 | Wobin | bemoaning the misuse of credit cards =) |
| 02:14.22 | Zhinjio | he was. |
| 02:14.24 | breser | While I'm thinking about it. If you have Auto Clear AFK turned on and you get logged out while afk when you log back in PitBull still thinks you're afk. |
| 02:14.27 | Ellipsis | [7:10:24 pm] <Ellipsis> Wobin: then why not just get a debit card instead? |
| 02:14.27 | Ellipsis | [7:10:32 pm] <Ellipsis> same to breser |
| 02:14.29 | kenlyric | and we'll pay down the mortgage before we pay down the student laons |
| 02:14.34 | kenlyric | student loans are only at 2.5% |
| 02:14.38 | Wobin | Ellipsis: cause not everywhere accepts them |
| 02:14.51 | Ellipsis | breser: known issue, blame ck |
| 02:14.55 | Kalroth | Wobin: My credit card is my main spending account, there's usually $3-4k on it - why would I bother moving money around all the time for a petty interest? |
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| 02:15.02 | Ellipsis | Wobin: you can use a debit card as a credit card you know |
| 02:15.07 | Wobin | Ellipsis: not here |
| 02:15.13 | Zhinjio | not in all places |
| 02:15.13 | Wobin | They're two separate things |
| 02:15.22 | Zhinjio | some places won't accept debit cards. |
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| 02:15.32 | Zhinjio | but. I suppose... those are somewhat avoidable. |
| 02:15.35 | Ellipsis | no, I mean you can run the card as credit and it works |
| 02:15.44 | Ellipsis | even in places that don't accept debit cards |
| 02:15.46 | breser | Ellipsis: Simple, I don't get to fly places for free with a debit card. Since I pay off the card every month it's no different really. |
| 02:15.47 | Zhinjio | you just won't be going to really posh places that make that distinction. |
| 02:15.48 | Wobin | Ellipsis: not here |
| 02:15.49 | Ellipsis | maybe that's just my bank, I don't know |
| 02:15.59 | chiper | some places don't know the difference between debit card and atm card. infact, most consumers dont either |
| 02:16.04 | breser | Ellipsis: Additionally, having a credit card that you use builds credit a debit card doesn't really. |
| 02:16.17 | Ellipsis | breser: which is almost as useless as "equity" :) |
| 02:16.22 | Wobin | breser: YEs, but Ellipsis doesn't believe in credit |
| 02:16.30 | Wobin | and will never use it =) |
| 02:16.41 | thul | credit is an important feature of the market. |
| 02:16.44 | breser | Ellipsis: Free airline tickets that I use are worthless? Hmm ok. |
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| 02:16.54 | Ellipsis | breser: I said credit was worthless |
| 02:17.04 | Ellipsis | free airline tickets can be gotten any number of ways |
| 02:17.07 | Ellipsis | or you can, you know, pay for them |
| 02:17.11 | sylvanaar | you can make ALOT of money with credit/borrowing |
| 02:17.14 | Wobin | Ellipsis: then.. they're not... free |
| 02:17.19 | thul | Ellipsis: credit is not worthless. |
| 02:17.22 | Wobin | Cause.. y'know... 'free' |
| 02:17.23 | Ellipsis | sylvanaar: you can't make money without risk |
| 02:17.31 | sylvanaar | duh |
| 02:17.35 | Ellipsis | Wobin: right, but you aren't paying interest either |
| 02:17.41 | Wobin | Ellipsis: nor is breser |
| 02:17.44 | Wobin | ! |
| 02:17.50 | breser | Ohh yeah one other thing. |
| 02:17.55 | Ellipsis | assuming he's careful, maybe |
| 02:18.01 | Wobin | I'm not paying any interest on my credit card |
| 02:18.02 | sylvanaar | you also can't beat the rate of inflation by saving money |
| 02:18.08 | breser | Using a credit card allows me to push off the payment for a few weeks. |
| 02:18.14 | Zhinjio | aha! THe CC Shuffler. |
| 02:18.16 | breser | Since I pay off the card every month I pay no interest. |
| 02:18.22 | Ellipsis | breser: because you don't have the money you're spending? |
| 02:18.26 | Zhinjio | I played the CC Shuffle for many years. |
| 02:18.28 | Ellipsis | but you will in a few weeks? |
| 02:18.30 | breser | However, becuase I don't have to pay immediately I earn interest. |
| 02:18.43 | breser | If I use a debit card I immediately stop earning interest. |
| 02:19.06 | Zhinjio | 0% interest for 18 months! *grin* |
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| 02:19.15 | Ellipsis | yes, but you get the satisfaction of knowing that you're spending your own money and not someone else's |
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| 02:19.25 | Wobin | Ellipsis: That is an empty satisfaction |
| 02:19.30 | Zhinjio | I'll take money over satisfaction. |
| 02:19.32 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 02:19.35 | Recluse|WoW | Hmm, I've heard that paying off the balance without paying the interest = no credit score increase |
| 02:19.35 | Wobin | Cause it doesn't matter one bit |
| 02:19.36 | breser | If I pay the card off every month I still have that satisfaction. |
| 02:19.39 | kenlyric | it's all my money at the end of the month |
| 02:19.48 | Wobin | Recluse|WoW: That's stupid |
| 02:19.48 | kenlyric | Recluse|WoW: nope |
| 02:19.49 | breser | Recluse|WoW: Not true. |
| 02:19.56 | Zhinjio | Recluse: false. |
| 02:20.01 | kenlyric | credit score is just based on good payments, revolving balances, etc. |
| 02:20.03 | Wobin | The whole point of a credit rating is that you -can- pay off loans |
| 02:20.10 | Zhinjio | paying the balance off every month is the best way to increase your credit score. |
| 02:20.14 | Wobin | not that you can accrue them =) |
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| 02:20.27 | Kalroth | You need to think like an Enron CEO - Who cares whos money it is, you're the one spending it! |
| 02:20.27 | sylvanaar | full payment and/or minimum payment both lower your FICA score |
| 02:20.38 | Wobin | "Oh fred has a fantastic credit rating! He hasn't paid off -anything- in the last 30 years!" |
| 02:20.41 | Ellipsis | stabs ck in the face |
| 02:20.43 | Ellipsis | [7:19:30 pm] <Ellipsis> the interest you earn on that money is trivial compared to the interest you pay on it if you're late on your credit card bills :) |
| 02:20.54 | Wobin | Ellipsis: It's still money |
| 02:21.00 | Wobin | And also, don't be late |
| 02:21.05 | breser | Never late, the full balance is deducted from my bank account. |
| 02:21.09 | Zhinjio | autopay ftw. |
| 02:21.13 | breser | Becuase the card I have is with the same bank I bank at. |
| 02:21.23 | breser | Just call them up and ask and they'll happily do that for you. |
| 02:21.26 | Ellipsis | breser: so your bank is letting you cheat them out of money? |
| 02:21.31 | Wobin | What cheat? |
| 02:21.32 | breser | I don't even have to put a stamp on it. |
| 02:21.39 | breser | No. |
| 02:21.50 | sylvanaar | interest earned on savings is less than the rate of inflation, so its like you are paying interest on your savings |
| 02:21.50 | breser | THey make money from the merchants. |
| 02:21.52 | Wobin | They're paying you for the privilige of keeping your money under their control |
| 02:21.54 | Ellipsis | Wobin: borrowing money interest-free so that you can continue to gain interest on it seems pretty cheat to me |
| 02:22.09 | Wobin | Ellipsis: You think that they do nothing with your money? |
| 02:22.11 | Ellipsis | the money is in their hands the whole time |
| 02:22.14 | Wobin | Just keep it in a hole? |
| 02:22.19 | Ellipsis | Wobin: read what I just said |
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| 02:22.24 | breser | Ellipsis: Trust me they're still making money off me. |
| 02:22.28 | Ellipsis | breser has the money in his bank account at the same bank |
| 02:22.29 | Wobin | It's still -your- money |
| 02:22.35 | breser | It's a mutually beneficial situation. |
| 02:22.47 | Zhinjio | if people were smart, banks would not make money. |
| 02:22.49 | breser | They get merchant fees from the people I pay. |
| 02:22.56 | sylvanaar | yes they do |
| 02:22.58 | breser | I get airlinee miles and a little bit of interest. |
| 02:23.03 | sylvanaar | 1.5% |
| 02:23.04 | Wobin | And interest from the loans they've put out using your money |
| 02:23.11 | breser | Exactly. |
| 02:23.15 | ckknight | Zhinjio: but interest is inherent in most functioning economic loan situations |
| 02:23.15 | Ellipsis | breser: and as long as nothing goes wrong, you're doing great |
| 02:23.20 | Ellipsis | Wobin: THEY HAVE HIS MONEY EITHER WAY. |
| 02:23.33 | Zhinjio | yes, thats true. they do earn some interest in any money I have with them. |
| 02:23.33 | Wobin | Ellipsis: Yes. And they want to keep it that way |
| 02:23.35 | Zhinjio | fair enough |
| 02:23.40 | ckknight | Ellipsis: indoor voice |
| 02:23.44 | Ellipsis | Wobin: right, so it's no more beneficial to them to do it this way |
| 02:23.45 | Recluse|WoW | hehe |
| 02:23.48 | Ellipsis | it's *worse* for them |
| 02:23.52 | Wobin | Ellipsis: Yes. And they want to keep it that way |
| 02:23.52 | chiper | EMT_Stein: we postponed the inevitable for some old woman here today |
| 02:23.52 | chiper | EMT_Stein: I thought that was nice of us |
| 02:23.53 | chiper | hb: You got her an extension on her taxes? Thoughtful of you. |
| 02:23.54 | Ellipsis | because they are paying interest instead of collecting it |
| 02:23.57 | chiper | laughs |
| 02:24.17 | Wobin | Ellipsis: It's still your money |
| 02:24.24 | Wobin | Which you can then take out and take somewhere else |
| 02:24.25 | Ellipsis | Wobin: you're ignoring my point |
| 02:24.28 | Wobin | No I'm not |
| 02:24.30 | breser | Ellipsis: You are ignoring the merchant fee they charged the person I paid with my card. |
| 02:24.45 | Ellipsis | breser: that's because I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 02:24.52 | sylvanaar | that fee is a major moneymaker |
| 02:25.04 | Wobin | It's merely the point where banks try for customer satisfaction rather than milking as much cash as they can from the saps |
| 02:25.08 | breser | The person who charges a credit card pays a percentage of the transaaction to the banks. |
| 02:25.11 | Zhinjio | I need to get my friend the conspiracy theorist in here in these discussion. Then we'd really get lively. |
| 02:25.14 | Zhinjio | and silly |
| 02:25.20 | sylvanaar | 1.5% of every dollar you spend on visa/mastercard goes to the card issuer |
| 02:25.21 | Wobin | puts on his tinfoil hat |
| 02:25.25 | Zhinjio | hahhheee |
| 02:25.32 | breser | Even if nobody ever paid interest on credit cards they'd still make money. |
| 02:25.38 | sylvanaar | 3% if you use american express |
| 02:25.39 | breser | How do you think banks make money off debit cards? |
| 02:25.56 | Ellipsis | breser: it's not a question of "still making money" it's a question of doing what's in their best interest |
| 02:26.10 | breser | I don't care what's in their best interest. That's their problem. |
| 02:26.10 | Ellipsis | just because they're "still making money" doesn't mean it's good for them |
| 02:26.16 | breser | But I can assure you that they're still making money. |
| 02:26.20 | breser | Huh? |
| 02:26.34 | Wobin | Ellipsis: As an aside for that Fubar bug: If cannotAttachToMinimap is false then you -can- attach to minimap |
| 02:26.42 | Wobin | double negatives ftw |
| 02:26.44 | Ellipsis | you could make the argument that they should give you 90% of their profits because they'd still be making money |
| 02:26.48 | Ellipsis | that doesn't mean it makes sense |
| 02:27.04 | sylvanaar | see yall later |
| 02:27.16 | breser | Ellipsis: I don't generally make my finicial decisions based on what I think is in the best interest of the bank. |
| 02:27.32 | breser | They offer their services, I use them to my advantage. |
| 02:27.32 | ckknight | there are administrative fees as well as investment capital that needs to be reimbursed |
| 02:27.42 | Ellipsis | breser: I'm not suggesting that you should |
| 02:27.51 | Ellipsis | just that I don't see why the bank lets you do silly things like what you're doing |
| 02:28.04 | breser | a) Not many people do. |
| 02:28.21 | breser | b) They don't care, if they didn't let me I'd just use a debit card or pay cash. |
| 02:28.23 | Ellipsis | if not many people do then there wouldn't be enough demand for that service for the banks to even offer it |
| 02:28.29 | breser | So some money is better than none. |
| 02:28.42 | breser | I mean not many people pay off their credit card every month. |
| 02:28.49 | Zhinjio | out-of-context from current guild chat: QUIT HITTING IT IN THE LIVER! |
| 02:29.02 | Ellipsis | breser: you using your debit card is better for them, so I think they should care |
| 02:29.05 | breser | Ellipsis: A credit card is just an account, they can auto-pay any account for you. |
| 02:29.10 | Zhinjio | can't stop laughing |
| 02:29.17 | Zhinjio | that was awesome. |
| 02:29.38 | Ellipsis | breser: accounts don't need to be paid at all, CREDIT has to be paid |
| 02:29.41 | breser | You can setup your mortgage to pay that wa... |
| 02:29.41 | ckknight | Zhinjio: hehe |
| 02:29.44 | breser | way* |
| 02:29.56 | ckknight | breser: that's my plan |
| 02:29.59 | Zhinjio | someone was speculating as to why the quest item of some pig's liver wasn't 100% drop rate |
| 02:30.03 | Ellipsis | breser: but mortgages charge you interest either way |
| 02:30.10 | Zhinjio | so we decided it was because they were killing it by destroying its liver |
| 02:30.12 | Wobin | Zhinjio: It's like murloc heads |
| 02:30.20 | Zhinjio | exactly |
| 02:30.21 | Wobin | goddamn murloc heads |
| 02:30.24 | Zhinjio | god, how funny |
| 02:30.28 | breser | Ellipsis: Really your argumentt shouldn't be that they shouldn't let me pay automatically... |
| 02:30.30 | ckknight | Ellipsis: how else do you get a loan without interest? |
| 02:30.31 | kenlyric | swords aren't precision tools |
| 02:30.34 | kenlyric | neither are fireballs |
| 02:30.36 | breser | But that they should charge me interest from the day I buy something. |
| 02:30.39 | Ellipsis | ckknight: you don't |
| 02:30.45 | Wobin | kenlyric: surely with a sword you can hit lower than the head |
| 02:30.48 | ckknight | but what if you need money you don't have? |
| 02:30.51 | Wobin | unless the head is so huge =P |
| 02:30.52 | breser | Yet they don't. They don't even do that for people who don't pay their bill every month. |
| 02:31.00 | Ellipsis | breser: yes, it is beneficial to the bank *not* to autopay loans you've taken out fromt hem |
| 02:31.11 | Zhinjio | ck: her whole stipulation is that that is never true. |
| 02:31.17 | Ellipsis | no |
| 02:31.17 | breser | Obviously there's a reason for that. The reason is simply they don't have to they are already paid for the first month by the merchant. |
| 02:31.23 | Wobin | Ellipsis: You're ignoring the fact that a bank is -still- a customer driven entity |
| 02:31.28 | Ellipsis | if you *need* money you don't have, you've done something wrong in the first place |
| 02:31.34 | Zhinjio | ok, lemme postulate something for you, Ellipsis. Real world situation with my wife. |
| 02:31.36 | Ellipsis | if you *want* money you don't have, tough luck, you don't have it |
| 02:31.40 | Wobin | Thus they have to have 'perks' in order to attract customer usage |
| 02:31.55 | breser | A better way to look at this is becuase of the way credit cards work the merchant I buy stuff from pays the interest on the item until the due date. |
| 02:32.01 | Zhinjio | She moves out here, and isn't working yet, just gets here, and suddenly needs an emergency appendectomy |
| 02:32.04 | ckknight | Zhinjio: I just don't see why I should pay for an apartment that at the end of 30 years I won't own compared to buying a house and paying a mortgage, at the end of which I'll own |
| 02:32.05 | Zhinjio | cost: $17,000 |
| 02:32.07 | breser | It's not directly presented that way but that's roughly the way it works out. |
| 02:32.07 | Wobin | Sure, you can paint the bank as a unfeeling entity that only wants your cash and gives back nothing |
| 02:32.13 | Zhinjio | she has no insurance, no job, and no cash. |
| 02:32.14 | Ellipsis | Zhinjio: then that's an emergency and cuts into your savings, and? |
| 02:32.21 | Zhinjio | what savings? |
| 02:32.22 | breser | The merchant is okay with this because customers find credit cards convenient. |
| 02:32.29 | Zhinjio | do you just ... die? |
| 02:32.30 | Ellipsis | oh wait, she doesn't HAVE any savings because she's in DEBT like all americans |
| 02:32.33 | breser | People buy things they can't afford otherwise with credit cards so it encourages spending. |
| 02:32.37 | Ellipsis | I guess she's screwed then |
| 02:32.39 | Wobin | ckknight: hehe, you're in direct opposition to ellipses and agreeing with the majority of the channel =P |
| 02:32.50 | Zhinjio | no, she has no savings because she' just entering the job market and working world. she has no debt. |
| 02:32.57 | ckknight | Wobin: yea, her lack of belief in the credit system still bothers me |
| 02:33.04 | Ellipsis | it bothers everyone |
| 02:33.11 | Ellipsis | otherwise the entire channel wouldn't be trying to convince me otherwise |
| 02:33.21 | Wobin | Well |
| 02:33.23 | Wobin | tbh |
| 02:33.25 | kenlyric | it's crazy. It's like being against puppies just because some people abuse puppies |
| 02:33.30 | Wobin | I understand I can't convince you |
| 02:33.35 | Wobin | but the argument is entertaining |
| 02:33.39 | ckknight | kicks a puppy |
| 02:33.46 | Ellipsis | is against ckknight |
| 02:33.49 | Ellipsis | see what I did there? |
| 02:34.02 | Zhinjio | like, rubbing against? |
| 02:34.04 | Zhinjio | grins. |
| 02:34.04 | breser | I'm not trying to convince you to use credit. I'm just trying to explain why I do. And oddly I probably owe less money that probably anyone else besides Ellipsis on this channel. |
| 02:34.04 | Wobin | watches Ellipsis rub up, while 'against' |
| 02:34.06 | Ellipsis | maaaaaaybe |
| 02:34.10 | kenlyric | what would life be like without 1 year same as cash? |
| 02:34.14 | kenlyric | a whole year! |
| 02:34.18 | Zhinjio | hi5's Wobin |
| 02:34.21 | kenlyric | it's a good deal |
| 02:34.26 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: why not wait a year and then pay with cash |
| 02:34.27 | kenlyric | unless you're dumb |
| 02:34.34 | ckknight | breser: I don't owe anybody any money, I have a net positive wealth |
| 02:34.34 | Ellipsis | that way, if you don't have the cash, you don't get stuck with interest :) |
| 02:34.35 | ckknight | :-) |
| 02:34.40 | kenlyric | Ellipsis: but why do that? |
| 02:34.46 | Ellipsis | ...because of what I just said |
| 02:34.55 | kenlyric | because the floor is cold and hard? |
| 02:34.57 | breser | Unfortunately, I think you do not entirely understand how the credit card business works so you're missing important details as to why the bank still finds it profitable to service my accounts. |
| 02:34.59 | Ellipsis | emergencies happen, and you don't want to be penalized for unexpected expenses |
| 02:34.59 | Zhinjio | I have debts. I still have net-positive wealth. |
| 02:35.11 | breser | ckknight: Same. |
| 02:35.18 | ckknight | breser: nice feeling, no? |
| 02:35.24 | Ellipsis | breser: I'm willing to take your word for it, obviously it's working for them somehow since they're still offering it |
| 02:35.24 | breser | ckknight: Yup. |
| 02:35.29 | kenlyric | Ellipsis: you buy it over time *because* of emergencies |
| 02:35.40 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: you can't plan for emergencies |
| 02:35.43 | Ellipsis | that's why you save up cash |
| 02:35.46 | CIA-9 | 03next96 * r65208 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ARLLocals-koKR.lua: |
| 02:35.46 | CIA-9 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 02:35.47 | CIA-9 | - Update locale koKR |
| 02:35.49 | kenlyric | and that's what we did |
| 02:35.56 | kenlyric | instead of $1000 up front, it's $80 a month |
| 02:36.00 | Ellipsis | facepalms |
| 02:36.05 | kenlyric | and if something comes up one month, it's easier to handle. |
| 02:36.06 | Ellipsis | you don't save up cash AFTER you buy the thing |
| 02:36.08 | ckknight | Ellipsis: see, you should be saving up gold instead of cash :-P |
| 02:36.11 | Ellipsis | you save up cash BEFORE you buy it so that you CAN buy it |
| 02:36.23 | Zhinjio | ckk: werd. |
| 02:36.24 | kenlyric | no, i'm saying we had the cash but used credit anyway |
| 02:36.29 | kenlyric | we typically always do that. |
| 02:36.38 | Ellipsis | enjoy paying extra |
| 02:36.40 | Zhinjio | US dollar just keeps getting worse in the world market. |
| 02:36.44 | breser | Ellipsis is just going to go to the realtor and offer to buy his house with WoW gold. :P |
| 02:36.45 | kenlyric | you don't pay any extra |
| 02:36.45 | ckknight | kenlyric: as long as it's economically beneficial |
| 02:36.46 | Yssaril | seriously cash is a bad investment it loses value rather than gains it |
| 02:36.48 | Zhinjio | it probably won't improve until the administration changes. |
| 02:36.50 | Ellipsis | breser: his? |
| 02:36.52 | Wobin | Zhinjio: That only really affects imports and exports |
| 02:36.52 | kenlyric | that's the whole point of 0 interest |
| 02:37.10 | kenlyric | it would be very dumb if we did this on a credit card with 17% interest, of course :) |
| 02:37.11 | ckknight | Zhinjio: imho, it'll improve sometime around July |
| 02:37.16 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: you do if an emergency comes up and you can't pay in full |
| 02:37.19 | breser | (I'm not aware of your gender and the male gender is the gender you generally use in English when you're not sure) |
| 02:37.20 | Ellipsis | that's the point |
| 02:37.22 | Zhinjio | Wobin: and participation in foreign stock exchanges. |
| 02:37.25 | ckknight | kenlyric: 0% interest is awesome |
| 02:37.29 | Wobin | Ellipsis is female |
| 02:37.41 | Wobin | Zhinjio: That's technically an export, I guess =) |
| 02:37.42 | breser | s/his/her/ |
| 02:37.44 | breser | There fixed. |
| 02:37.49 | Zhinjio | ckk: what's going to change then? |
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| 02:38.13 | Ellipsis | ...as I was saying |
| 02:38.15 | Ellipsis | I'm female. |
| 02:38.16 | Wobin | how come Ellipsis' gets knocked off, but ck doesn't? |
| 02:38.21 | Ellipsis | my what? |
| 02:38.24 | Zhinjio | ckk has login fu |
| 02:38.26 | kenlyric | fuck you spitelash sirens |
| 02:38.26 | Wobin | hax |
| 02:38.32 | Wobin | oh there we go |
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| 02:38.35 | Zhinjio | hahahaha |
| 02:38.37 | Ellipsis | hehe |
| 02:38.38 | Chompers | you're female on the internets |
| 02:38.49 | Ellipsis | Chompers: yeah, no pix no proof amirite? |
| 02:38.55 | Wobin | your lumps your lumps? |
| 02:39.00 | Chompers | yus |
| 02:39.03 | ckknight_ | feels lumps |
| 02:39.05 | Wobin | (jesus what was Fergie thinking with that song?) |
| 02:39.08 | Chompers | i bet you're a dude |
| 02:39.14 | Ellipsis | ckknight didn't actually feel mah lumps |
| 02:39.16 | Chompers | you can't fool ckk forever |
| 02:39.17 | Ellipsis | he lies! |
| 02:39.25 | Ellipsis | ok now he is |
| 02:39.34 | Wobin | Ellipsis is fooling ck with clever use of vegetabls |
| 02:39.39 | Ellipsis | wow |
| 02:39.42 | Ellipsis | he must have *really* liked them |
| 02:39.49 | breser | Anyway imagine all the useful things we could have done while talking about credit... |
| 02:39.55 | breser | Like fixing bugs. :P |
| 02:39.56 | Ellipsis | like fixing bugs? :P |
| 02:40.00 | Wobin | hehe |
| 02:40.06 | Ellipsis | feel free to do some of that breser |
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| 02:40.20 | breser | If I could find it I would. |
| 02:40.20 | Zhinjio | yeah, I should get to my syncing code. |
| 02:40.29 | Zhinjio | roll lists is next, and thats going to be a tremendous bithc |
| 02:40.31 | Zhinjio | bitch |
| 02:40.35 | breser | PitBull is still too much of a maze for me to do anything useful to it. |
| 02:40.42 | Ellipsis | breser: welcome to my world |
| 02:40.50 | Zhinjio | heh |
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| 02:41.01 | Ellipsis | I've been working on Aura since ck did the rewrite, and I still don't know what's causing these weird issues :P |
| 02:41.02 | Zhinjio | I was tremendously pleased to have found the comms bug |
| 02:41.05 | Zhinjio | my head hurt. |
| 02:41.14 | Wobin | ... http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gSD3m71EBrJld5bQm--SqEOJ9lag |
| 02:41.15 | Wobin | wow |
| 02:41.39 | breser | Besides I have my own bugs. I'm just the user that comes here to nudge you into fixing yours. :P |
| 02:41.46 | Ellipsis | pfft |
| 02:41.51 | Ellipsis | get in line! |
| 02:41.56 | Ellipsis | points at jira |
| 02:42.02 | breser | Been there. |
| 02:42.20 | Zhinjio | is Kaelten the only one who admins the jira thingajigger? |
| 02:42.23 | Yssaril | breser, do what i did write yoru own UF :P |
| 02:42.35 | Ellipsis | my UF is better than your UF! |
| 02:42.37 | Zhinjio | Yssaril: how's that ocming along? Anything to share yet? |
| 02:42.44 | breser | Yssaril: One addon is enough for mee. |
| 02:43.11 | Yssaril | Zhinjio, working on killing some memory from my aura scans :P |
| 02:43.26 | Zhinjio | nods. |
| 02:43.37 | Ellipsis | Zhinjio: should I close the rockcomm ticket for you btw? |
| 02:43.39 | Zhinjio | looks like the lumps won. |
| 02:43.45 | Zhinjio | yes please. |
| 02:43.56 | Ellipsis | done |
| 02:43.56 | Zhinjio | I didn't see a way to close it myself. |
| 02:43.57 | Ellipsis | :) |
| 02:43.59 | Zhinjio | since it assigned to him |
| 02:44.02 | Zhinjio | nods. |
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| 02:44.04 | Ellipsis | you have to be one of the cool kids :P |
| 02:44.15 | Zhinjio | maybe one day. |
| 02:44.44 | Zhinjio | I think I should get bonus points for finding the fix, though *grin* |
| 02:44.50 | Zhinjio | does that win me any cool points? |
| 02:44.51 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 02:44.53 | Ellipsis | gives Zhinjio a cookie |
| 02:44.57 | Zhinjio | rock on |
| 02:45.00 | thul | hmmm |
| 02:45.07 | Zhinjio | I will work for cookies. |
| 02:45.10 | Ellipsis | anyway, since the internet is hating us tonight, ck and I are gonna go watch house |
| 02:45.12 | Ellipsis | bbl :) |
| 02:45.17 | Zhinjio | peace |
| 02:45.20 | dylanm | You get 1 cool kid krona. |
| 02:45.38 | Zhinjio | nice! dutch cool points! |
| 02:45.53 | Zhinjio | er, wait, krone... well, other than them being EU now |
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| 02:46.22 | Zhinjio | somewhere, I still have my coin collection with all the foreign coins. |
| 02:46.24 | Zhinjio | tons |
| 02:46.35 | breser | Ellipsis: Honestly, I've looked through the code but it does take time to absorb enough to find and fix bugs. |
| 02:47.05 | breser | Heck I'm still too lazy to fix the tree form bug in libdogtag that I know how to fix. :) |
| 02:47.13 | Ellipsis | breser: believe me, I know :) your help is much appreciated though |
| 02:47.17 | Ellipsis | tree form bug? |
| 02:47.19 | Ellipsis | I made him fix that! |
| 02:47.19 | dylanm | I just wanted it to abbreviate as ckk. Kinda stretched it there. |
| 02:47.26 | dylanm | Luckily you're a coin collector! |
| 02:47.27 | breser | Ellipsis: Ohhh... |
| 02:47.58 | breser | Ellipsis: Hadn't noticed yet, not often in the same group as a tree form druid. |
| 02:48.05 | dylanm | I only know that word because of some Jens Lekman song. Very educational, apparently. |
| 02:48.18 | Ellipsis | fair enough, I only happened to notice when pugging with another druid |
| 02:48.47 | breser | Ellipsis: That and I was kinda hoping Blizzard would realize it was retarded to have two auras with identical names. |
| 02:49.02 | Zhinjio | dylanm: didn't pick up on that. now I get it. |
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| 02:49.25 | home|prophy | anyone use Arena Unit Frames 2.1? how do u make the window larger.. |
| 02:53.49 | Wobin | wtf |
| 02:53.55 | Wobin | Revlosh's Gloves of the Whale =P |
| 02:54.03 | Wobin | +19sta +8spi |
| 02:54.06 | Ellipsis | grats on noob |
| 02:54.07 | Ellipsis | :P |
| 02:54.20 | Ellipsis | though that's a heck of a lot of stam |
| 02:54.22 | Wobin | Feh, I rolled need cause the rogue rolled need =P |
| 02:54.41 | Wobin | yeah, 10 on the base and 9 more due to omgwhale |
| 02:55.07 | Ellipsis | and by "omgwhale" you mean "lolwhale" right? |
| 02:55.58 | Wobin | yeah |
| 02:56.02 | Wobin | the omg was ironic =) |
| 02:56.42 | Wobin | and I've run into the omghybridwheredidmyinventoryspacego issue |
| 02:58.17 | breser | Yeah they need to do something about that. |
| 02:58.46 | breser | I understand space restrictions but it's impossible to play a hybrid class and have much room even with 20 slot bags. |
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| 03:00.37 | Zhinjio | beer o'clock. back later. |
| 03:01.02 | kenlyric | 17x2 doesn't seem like a lot of bag slots |
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| 03:04.03 | Antiarc | http://www.xkcdb.com/?206 <-- rofl |
| 03:04.17 | Ellipsis | breser: hybrid classes can have extra inventory space when they make soul shards stackable imo :) |
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| 03:04.59 | breser | Fine with me. |
| 03:05.08 | breser | Hell, just get rid of soul shards. |
| 03:05.13 | breser | The whole mechanic is silly. |
| 03:05.53 | Ellipsis | breser: you don't think sucking up to me is really going to get your bugs fixed faster, do you? :P |
| 03:06.29 | breser | I have a lock too. |
| 03:06.54 | breser | But if sucking up helps. Where do I sign up? |
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| 03:26.45 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r65209 10BigWigs_BWL/ (9 files): BigWigs_BWL: Updated and cleaned, only works in 2.4, some Locale could do with updating, vulnerability alert temp disabled on Chromaggus |
| 03:26.57 | Funkeh` | jesus, that only took a little over 2 hours |
| 03:28.14 | [SW]Dodge | ^^ |
| 03:31.10 | Yssaril | people still do BWL? |
| 03:31.34 | Funkeh` | stop asking that |
| 03:31.36 | Funkeh` | ofc they do |
| 03:31.51 | Yssaril | hehe |
| 03:32.00 | Olison | Funkeh`! |
| 03:32.13 | Funkeh` | Olison! |
| 03:33.25 | Olison | question: would addon authors have to rewrite fubar-plugin code in order to work with statsblock or could you hijack fubar and do somewhat like a 'proxy' that sends registered addons to statsblocks? |
| 03:33.36 | Olison | btw, i have no idea what i'm talking about |
| 03:33.41 | Olison | but i guess you gathered that |
| 03:34.24 | Funkeh` | I guess you could make some wierd ass hack, but it's not exactly hard to make one, and most of it would just be copy and paste |
| 03:34.28 | Olison | on question: for i.e. the regular "rightclick for config menu, addon xyz" kind of thing |
| 03:34.43 | Olison | Hm Hm Hm |
| 03:35.28 | Funkeh` | I'll make a bigwigs one sometime as an example |
| 03:35.37 | Funkeh` | probably after 2.4 so I cna use the icon status |
| 03:40.30 | Funkeh` | anyway time for bed, plane to catch in 6 hours |
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| 03:47.06 | jkeiser3 | ok, I'm not getting how to use embed AceConsole-3.0 into my AceAddon-3.0 addon. new() doesn't seem to do it anymore. I assume there are no docs, or am I just bad at the internets? :) |
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| 03:47.34 | jkeiser3 | is trying to upgrade his silly app from Ace2 to 3 |
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| 03:48.14 | Yssaril | sillyapp = LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):NewAddon("silly app","AceConsole-3.0") |
| 03:48.28 | jkeiser3 | aha! just figured that out |
| 03:48.30 | jkeiser3 | thanks |
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| 03:49.22 | jkeiser3 | yay for less things being mixins, I never quite understood why AceDB was |
| 03:49.55 | Arrowmaster | i liked acedb as a mixin |
| 03:50.02 | Arrowmaster | made things easier |
| 03:52.23 | Yssaril | any performance deferents between while loops and repeat loops? (i want to run my code at least once) |
| 03:54.07 | Hjalte | Where do I download the 2.4 Recount? |
| 03:54.20 | Yssaril | svn |
| 03:54.38 | Hjalte | As in with a svn client? |
| 03:55.29 | CIA-9 | 03sayclub 072.4 * r65210 10Omen/ (Localization/koKR.lua Modules/Healer/Localization/koKR.lua): Omen : koKR Update |
| 03:55.54 | Yssaril | yes 2.4 stuff currently resides in branches and as such will not be on files.wowace.com and will need an svn client to get it (unless you really want to do it the hard way) |
| 03:56.00 | vithos | ckknight: ping |
| 03:56.28 | Hjalte | Yssaril: You wouldn't happen to know an idiot-proof svn client then? :) |
| 03:56.38 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r65211 10/branches/aX_RaidStatus/ (5 files): |
| 03:56.38 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus(Ace3): |
| 03:56.38 | CIA-9 | - Offline Bar Status Added |
| 03:56.38 | CIA-9 | - Localization Updated |
| 03:56.38 | CIA-9 | - Fixed Major InCombat Memory Leak |
| 03:56.39 | CIA-9 | - Removed AceOO-2.0, AceDebug-2.0, and Tablet-2.0 libs. |
| 03:57.00 | Yssaril | i use tortoise but anything svn i would not really call idiot proof |
| 03:57.13 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r65212 10/branches/aX_RaidStatusConfig/RaidStatusConfig.lua: |
| 03:57.13 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatusConfig(Ace3): |
| 03:57.13 | CIA-9 | - Added Offline status. |
| 03:57.53 | vithos | ckknight: right clicking eyes of the beast -> removing wrong buffs again. this time i may know why. a paladin left the raid while i was channeling it, causing me to lose greater blessing of wisdom |
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| 03:59.48 | jkeiser3 | Is there AceConsole-3.0 docs anywhere? It appears to have changed significantly |
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| 04:00.19 | Yssaril | jkeiser3, check the lua file :P |
| 04:00.24 | Arrowmaster | its either in the Ace3/docs folder, on the wiki, or in the lua file |
| 04:00.44 | vithos | i was going to make a jira ticket before but FF3 kept crashing on startup... i'll make one now |
| 04:00.48 | Yssaril | http://wowace.com/wiki/AceConfig3 might help to |
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| 04:01.01 | Arrowmaster | thats not aceconsole though |
| 04:01.19 | Yssaril | Arrowmaster, nope but might still help :P |
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| 04:01.30 | jkeiser3 | ah, Ace3\docs, nice |
| 04:01.57 | Wobin | Is there a ClosetGnome addon that adds to the tooltip what set it's in? |
| 04:02.31 | Hjalte | Yeah Wobin |
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| 04:03.14 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:03.18 | Wobin | Tooltip and TooltipX |
| 04:03.24 | Wobin | wtf? |
| 04:03.36 | Ellipsis | obviously one is Xtreme! |
| 04:04.04 | Yssaril | can anyone tell me where i failed with http://yssaril.pastey.net/84164 it is creating extra tables but it was supposed to recycle them in BuffsubTableNotInUse |
| 04:05.02 | Wobin | Yssaril: use table.remove |
| 04:05.06 | Wobin | rather than nilling |
| 04:05.25 | Wobin | like subtable = table.remove(BuffsubTableNotInUse) |
| 04:05.45 | Wobin | and table.insert |
| 04:05.50 | Wobin | consequently |
| 04:07.21 | MentalPower | Yssaril: repeat ... until false? |
| 04:07.26 | MentalPower | WTH? |
| 04:07.41 | Yssaril | MentalPower, :P i break early if true :P |
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| 04:08.27 | MentalPower | why not a simple if? |
| 04:08.31 | Yssaril | MentalPower, also got bigger problems atm than that :P |
| 04:08.34 | jkeiser3 | Yssaril: AceConfig was actually what I was looking for apparently :) |
| 04:08.53 | Yssaril | jkeiser3, i can read minds :P |
| 04:09.01 | jkeiser3 | Yssaril: unfortunately the docs say lots of stuff about how to make a config table, but nothing about how to give that config table to someone and who to give it to |
| 04:09.16 | Yssaril | MentalPower, cause i want it to repeat multible times if possible |
| 04:09.48 | MentalPower | Yssaril: but it won't |
| 04:09.52 | MentalPower | with that until false |
| 04:09.54 | Yssaril | LibStub("AceConfig-3.0"):RegisterOptionsTable('nameofconfig', configtable) |
| 04:10.03 | MentalPower | oh, wait |
| 04:10.05 | jkeiser3 | muchas gracias |
| 04:10.05 | MentalPower | nm |
| 04:10.09 | MentalPower | forget what I said |
| 04:10.14 | Yssaril | self:RegisterChatCommand('someslash', function() LibStub("AceConfigDialog-3.0"):Open("nameofconfig") end) |
| 04:10.46 | Yssaril | first one registers the table second one opens the config with a /someslash |
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| 04:15.15 | jkeiser3 | oh, the second one is necessary now? interesting |
| 04:15.58 | Yssaril | jkeiser3, yes cause there are multiple configs you can use |
| 04:16.15 | Yssaril | Wobin, still creates recursion tables |
| 04:17.02 | Wobin | repastey? |
| 04:17.35 | Yssaril | http://yssaril.pastey.net/84166 |
| 04:17.59 | jkeiser3 | I see |
| 04:18.35 | Yssaril | jkeiser3, there is configcmd, configdialog, and configdropdown |
| 04:18.48 | Yssaril | cmd is the standard console stuff |
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| 04:18.56 | Yssaril | the dialog makes a nice GUI for you |
| 04:19.14 | Yssaril | the dropdown is a dewdrop like thing (not done yet as far as i know) |
| 04:19.45 | Wobin | Yssaril: What's the actual issue? |
| 04:20.10 | Yssaril | i use it to scan for my buffs on the target |
| 04:20.21 | Arrowmaster | theres a forum thread about using both AceConfigCmd and AceConfigDialog together |
| 04:21.34 | Yssaril | when i select the target it will scan it twice the first time (upon reload) it will asing both buffs (am testing with 2) correctly to the frames but once you do more than one scan it will just show up with the first one (but still have the correct number of buffs) |
| 04:21.52 | Yssaril | but all buff frames show the first buff |
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| 04:24.11 | Yssaril | it seams that once i erase my tables and throw the subtables back into the pool when i retrieve them i create a recursion table pointing to the first one instead of reusing one of my recycled tables |
| 04:24.12 | Hjalte | When casting Incinerate, the plus-damage from Immolate, is calculated when the Incinerate leaves or lands? |
| 04:24.25 | Ellipsis | go test it and let us know Hjalte :P |
| 04:24.41 | Yssaril | always wondered the same thing :p |
| 04:24.43 | Hjalte | Ellipsis: Grrr. I don't want to do stuff, I just want answers! |
| 04:25.13 | Ellipsis | lazy bum :P |
| 04:25.20 | Ellipsis | I would guess it's when the spell hits |
| 04:25.48 | jkeiser3 | woot! my app is back up. AceConfigDialog is tossing errors, but the app is up at least :) |
| 04:25.50 | jkeiser3 | thanks |
| 04:25.54 | Hjalte | Hmm, I'll have to test it out, it's quite important. |
| 04:26.48 | Yssaril | Wobin, any ideas? |
| 04:27.14 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:27.35 | Wobin | are you at any point erasing TableOfBuffs? |
| 04:27.41 | Wobin | cause that would cause the issue |
| 04:28.10 | Yssaril | TableOfBuffs[i] = EraseBuff(TableOfBuffs[i]) <--- tosses away the subtable and then returns nil |
| 04:29.19 | Yssaril | is that my problem? |
| 04:29.41 | Wobin | That should be fine |
| 04:29.54 | Wobin | since you're erasing the subtable |
| 04:29.56 | Wobin | and not the maintable |
| 04:30.12 | Wobin | although why aren't you using table.remove for that? |
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| 04:30.40 | Yssaril | does it matter? |
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| 04:31.12 | Wobin | Well it's cleaner |
| 04:31.26 | Wobin | sort of |
| 04:31.39 | Yssaril | would that even work in a for loop? |
| 04:31.55 | Wobin | any time you're not specifically using non-numeric keys, table.insert and remove are invariably better |
| 04:32.24 | Hjalte | Ellipsis and Yssaril, It seems from my limited testing, that it's calculated when the spell leaves my hands. |
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| 04:47.49 | chiper | does zomgbuffs interface with pallypower? |
| 04:50.05 | Yssaril | Wobin, figured it out when i was merging the 2 buff tables (the one with time and the one without) i wasnt clearing out the one with the time and so when i erased the one without the time all hell broke lose |
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| 04:55.12 | chiper | ah, yes, it does |
| 04:55.23 | chiper | this is so cool, I gotta get my whole guild using this |
| 05:04.36 | kd3 | RFC: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2856221186&sid=1&pageNo=4#68 |
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| 05:08.39 | Diao | lol.. |
| 05:08.42 | Diao | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blackrock&n=Ver |
| 05:08.47 | Diao | worst paladin i've ever played against |
| 05:09.56 | Zyndrome | wipes his face |
| 05:09.58 | Zyndrome | phew, not me |
| 05:10.14 | Diao | lol |
| 05:10.19 | Diao | i have never seen such a bad spec/gear :S |
| 05:10.28 | Diao | he wasted all his mana trying to kill me (disc priest) |
| 05:10.32 | Diao | and then i just wanded him to death |
| 05:13.19 | Zyndrome | ... |
| 05:13.28 | Zyndrome | oh wut |
| 05:13.43 | Yssaril | wtf a holy/prot pally? |
| 05:14.05 | Zyndrome | if it was 41/20/0 I would just shrug |
| 05:14.09 | Zyndrome | but this |
| 05:14.52 | Yssaril | why the hell does he have precision lol if he dosnt have any other melee based talleds damn |
| 05:16.23 | Zyndrome | wish the other ret-pally in my guild would value the importance of Precision & hitrating |
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| 05:16.54 | Zyndrome | 3% hit total in 25-man... "Damn I look good with this Deep Thunder but geez do I miss a lot" |
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| 05:17.40 | Yssaril | woot sligth cpu increase but cut garbage creation to a tenth of its original value |
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| 05:21.23 | Yssaril | Wobin, what do you think does .1KiB per aura scan sound like alot of memory? |
| 05:21.38 | Wobin | how often is it occurring? |
| 05:21.56 | Yssaril | whenever my targets aura's get updated |
| 05:21.59 | Diao | lol |
| 05:22.07 | Diao | yeah holy/prot suckadin :X |
| 05:22.25 | Wobin | are we talking about updates like ticks |
| 05:22.30 | Wobin | or updates like changes |
| 05:22.34 | Yssaril | basically whenever UNIT_AURA fires with 'target' as its argument |
| 05:22.39 | Yssaril | changes |
| 05:22.47 | Wobin | -should- be alright |
| 05:22.54 | Wobin | but you might want to test in a raid situation or something |
| 05:22.59 | Yssaril | as in somthing got added/removed |
| 05:23.32 | Yssaril | yea that will be the real test :) |
| 05:24.40 | Yssaril | will add status icons tomorrow and then i think i'm ready to take this to a raid :) |
| 05:26.37 | Yssaril | btw Wobin how is xparky coming along? |
| 05:31.34 | NightHawkTheSane | http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2008/03/numerous-countries-have-recently.html |
| 05:32.47 | NightHawkTheSane | oh god.. |
| 05:32.55 | NightHawkTheSane | this is from a different article, to be sure.. |
| 05:32.58 | NightHawkTheSane | "If I answered the red phone every time it rang, I would never get any sleep," Bush said. "Sometimes it starts ringing at 9 p.m., and I am already tucked in by then." |
| 05:34.23 | Zhinjio | Good evening. |
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| 05:40.50 | chiper | glad to know he's right on top of our nations emergencies |
| 05:40.59 | chiper | also glad that things are running so well |
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| 05:48.36 | CIA-9 | 03jjsheets * r65213 10InfiniBar-2.0/IB_Button.lua: InfiniBar-2.0 - Fixed some bugs and other issues related to pet action buttons. |
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| 05:58.35 | Zyndrome | wow, rolling restarts to solve the honor issue (no honor calc) ... restart didn't do squat :< |
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| 06:06.05 | CIA-9 | 03benumbed * r65214 10DaPortrait/Constants.lua: |
| 06:06.05 | CIA-9 | DaPortrait: |
| 06:06.05 | CIA-9 | - Adjust a few models |
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| 06:15.05 | Lukian | phyber, ping |
| 06:15.16 | Lukian | slight RestFu bug |
| 06:16.48 | Lukian | Kivin's not in :( |
| 06:17.26 | CIA-9 | 03yleaf * r65215 10oRA2/Leader/Item.lua: oRA2: update zhCN locale |
| 06:21.40 | Antiarc | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/travelling_salesman_problem.png <-- win |
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| 06:28.40 | jkeiser | so I can register an event with AceEvent-3.0, and I can supply it a callback function, but I'm not clear what arguments that function is supposed to take |
| 06:29.13 | jkeiser | Or is it just going to get the global vars that OnEvent sets? |
| 06:32.24 | mykx | a bit off topic but is anybody here familiar with ubuntu ? |
| 06:37.12 | MentalPower | jkeiser: prolly the same ones that the events gives out without AceEvent |
| 06:37.21 | MentalPower | not the global ones, hell no |
| 06:37.42 | MentalPower | mykx: /join #ubuntu |
| 06:38.14 | mykx | oh thanks |
| 06:38.55 | MentalPower | this is freenode, most OSS projects have their channels here |
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| 06:49.22 | jkeiser | gah I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I register with self:RegisterEvent('CHAT_MSG_WHISPER', ShroudMaster.ReceivedWhisper) |
| 06:49.30 | jkeiser | And I have a function ShroudMaster:ReceivedWhisper() |
| 06:49.39 | jkeiser | that does ShroudMaster:Print("Eeek") |
| 06:49.52 | jkeiser | (tried self:Print("Eeeek") too) |
| 06:49.55 | jkeiser | on my addon |
| 06:50.24 | jkeiser | it's just not getting triggered |
| 06:50.49 | jkeiser | hmm when I make the function global it gets triggered |
| 06:51.00 | jkeiser | that's a start anyway, I'm just not a fan of teh global |
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| 07:01.21 | Arrowmaster | jkeiser: do self:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_WHISPER", "ReceivedWhisper") |
| 07:02.40 | jkeiser | nope, then I don't seem to get called at all |
| 07:02.53 | jkeiser | self:RegisterEvent('CHAT_MSG_WHISPER', "ReceivedWhisper") |
| 07:03.07 | jkeiser | function ShroudMaster:ReceivedWhisper(event, message, name) |
| 07:03.08 | jkeiser | self:Print(name) |
| 07:03.10 | jkeiser | end |
| 07:03.47 | jkeiser | When I make the function global and register that, it prints |
| 07:04.14 | jkeiser | at least when I make it global, I can add "self" as a third param to RegisterEvent and it will be passed to the global func |
| 07:04.34 | jkeiser | so I don't have to be non-OO, I just have to have a function without an implicit self param |
| 07:04.39 | jkeiser | still, doesn't feel optimal |
| 07:08.27 | Arrowmaster | could you pastey this? |
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| 07:14.50 | jkeiser | paste the working solution? |
| 07:15.00 | jkeiser | or the one I just pasted? |
| 07:15.13 | jkeiser | oh, pastey |
| 07:15.15 | jkeiser | sure |
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| 07:16.54 | jkeiser | http://ace.pastey.net/84175 |
| 07:17.01 | jkeiser | I pared it down to the minimal stuff |
| 07:17.43 | jkeiser | that's the non working version--it runs, it just doesn't seem to do anything |
| 07:18.01 | jkeiser | Looks like I can post a followup, I'll post the working version |
| 07:19.05 | jkeiser | the working version (haven't compiled it, just wrote from memory) is at http://ace.pastey.net/84176 |
| 07:22.32 | Grum | self:RegisterEvent('CHAT_MSG_WHISPER', ShroudMaster.ReceivedWhisper, self) |
| 07:22.37 | Grum | function ShroudMaster:ReceivedWhisper( event, message, name) |
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| 07:24.38 | jkeiser | yeah that doesn't work unfortunately--no idea why not |
| 07:25.02 | jkeiser | if I just change the function name to ShroudMaster_ReceivedWhisper in both places, and add "self" as a parameter to the function, it works |
| 07:25.21 | jkeiser | self:RegisterEvent('CHAT_MSG_WHISPER', ShroudMaster_ReceivedWhisper, self) |
| 07:25.38 | Grum | look at the subtle difference though :) |
| 07:25.50 | jkeiser | what's that? |
| 07:25.54 | Grum | you dont have to use a global function |
| 07:26.09 | jkeiser | no, I'm saying what you just posted doesn't work though |
| 07:26.10 | Grum | you can still define it in 'ShroudMaster' |
| 07:26.14 | jkeiser | I'd love to use that |
| 07:26.22 | jkeiser | but it doesn't get called |
| 07:26.26 | Grum | it does |
| 07:26.32 | jkeiser | I just entered it in :) |
| 07:26.36 | jkeiser | It doesn't get called |
| 07:26.41 | Ellipsis | are you still passing self? |
| 07:26.43 | Arrowmaster | self:RegisterEvent('CHAT_MSG_WHISPER', "ReceivedWhisper") should work |
| 07:26.55 | Grum | yeah that as well arrow |
| 07:27.42 | jkeiser | Maybe there's just something I'm doing wrong. Neither "ReceivedWhisper" not ShroudMaster.ReceivedWhisper, self are working (and I don't know how to tell why not, as the message just goes into the aether) |
| 07:28.10 | jkeiser | I tried both with both the "self" and non-self variants of RegisterEvent |
| 07:28.12 | evl | what happens if you hook a function that's already hooked? |
| 07:28.18 | Ellipsis | jkeiser: are you sure the function isn't being called at all, or is it just not getting the expected args? |
| 07:28.20 | Grum | did you even embed any eventhandlers? |
| 07:28.21 | evl | which one is run first? |
| 07:28.44 | Arrowmaster | evl: depends on how you hook it |
| 07:28.54 | jkeiser | If the function was getting called it would either error out (could not find "Print") or it would Print--I assume |
| 07:29.13 | Ellipsis | if you :Print(nil) I think it silently fails |
| 07:29.15 | Ellipsis | IIRC |
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| 07:29.18 | jkeiser | Did I even what any event handlers? The code in Pastey is all the code. There is no XML. |
| 07:29.41 | Ellipsis | just add a self:Print("test") to be sure |
| 07:29.42 | jkeiser | Ellipsis: I'll change it to print constant text and see what's up |
| 07:30.31 | evl | Arrowmaster: self:Hook("ChatFrame1", "AddMessage", true) |
| 07:31.30 | jkeiser | Grum: all you see in Pastey is all the relevant stuff. Just an addon that uses AceEvent, calls RegisterEvent, and defines a function to handle said event. No XML, if that's what you're talking about with "embed" |
| 07:31.43 | jkeiser | self:Print("test") doesn't trigger either |
| 07:31.45 | Grum | no |
| 07:31.53 | jkeiser | pretty sure it's not being called |
| 07:31.58 | Grum | but its probably embedded :) |
| 07:32.05 | jkeiser | embedded in what? |
| 07:32.11 | jkeiser | All I have is a LUA file |
| 07:32.17 | Grum | in ShroudMaster |
| 07:32.37 | Grum | can you just paste the whole bloody thing so we can have a decent look at it? |
| 07:32.46 | jkeiser | the pastey has the embed |
| 07:32.58 | jkeiser | local ShroudMaster = LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):NewAddon("ShroudMaster", "AceConsole-3.0", "AceEvent-3.0") |
| 07:33.01 | jkeiser | If that's what you mean |
| 07:33.15 | jkeiser | I'll go paste the whole thing |
| 07:33.20 | Grum | but the sample works you have pasted? |
| 07:33.23 | Grum | it looks working |
| 07:33.41 | jkeiser | the second sample works, the first does not |
| 07:34.00 | jkeiser | I will paste verbatim |
| 07:34.07 | jkeiser | With all the other crud in between |
| 07:34.49 | Zhinjio | howdy Ellipsis |
| 07:35.12 | jkeiser | oh fuck me. I'm sorry. There was another definition of the same function later in the goddamn file. So sorry to have wasted your time. |
| 07:35.24 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 07:35.30 | Grum | hehe |
| 07:35.35 | Grum | good find :D |
| 07:35.44 | Grum | shit happens ;D |
| 07:36.07 | Grum | i was always told: first tell your complete problem to a teddybear, if you still think you have a problem, then ask someone else ;D |
| 07:36.08 | jkeiser | I'm still at the stage where it's hard to distinguish between stupid stuff I did, and stuff I just don't understand about LUA and Ace yet :) |
| 07:36.15 | jkeiser | heh, yeah :) |
| 07:36.42 | Arrowmaster | Lua |
| 07:36.46 | Zhinjio | hey Arrowmaster |
| 07:36.47 | Grum | well you need to know how the xxx:xxx way of writing is different from xxx.xxx |
| 07:37.03 | Grum | if you dont, read pil :) |
| 07:37.31 | jkeiser | oh, I understand the difference |
| 07:37.48 | Grum | k :) |
| 07:37.51 | jkeiser | a.b means "grab the property named b from a" |
| 07:38.16 | jkeiser | a:b() means "call the property named b off a as a function, and pass the first parameter as 'self'" |
| 07:38.23 | Grum | :) |
| 07:39.01 | jkeiser | a.b(self, a) <=> a:b(a) if I understand it right, in that you can actually use both to call the function |
| 07:39.24 | Antiarc | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/mattslope/9tjskp.gif |
| 07:39.42 | Arrowmaster | more like a.b(a, x) <=> a:b(x) |
| 07:39.53 | jkeiser | ah, yes |
| 07:40.16 | jkeiser | man, that guy actually WANTED the player to make the shot? |
| 07:40.30 | jkeiser | it looks like he was trying to get them to mess up |
| 07:41.02 | jkeiser | oh wait, he succeeded |
| 07:41.08 | jkeiser | heh |
| 07:41.20 | Grum | i think he has his panties up his asscrack a bit too high |
| 07:53.06 | MentalPower | that's hilarious |
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| 07:59.13 | todd` | so I'm messing around with lua for the first time, just wondering.. if I wanted to just display some text on the screen, is there any reason I should create a frame? or is it alright to just anchor the string to UIParent? |
| 07:59.35 | Thrae | !die Restart me |
| 07:59.45 | Thrae | Whoops |
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| 08:02.26 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: diaf you have fios =( |
| 08:02.47 | Thrae | 15/1mbit baby. |
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| 08:03.00 | Arrowmaster | cries |
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| 08:08.09 | Zhinjio | hey Orion |
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| 08:15.33 | Zhinjio | does ... does a unicode character increase the length of the string by an additional byte? |
| 08:15.44 | Zhinjio | hmm. it must. |
| 08:16.38 | Kaaosa | So it is written. |
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| 08:20.13 | Orionshock | morning |
| 08:24.04 | Arrowmaster | lua doesnt support unicode so yes string.len reports the full length in bytes not the printable length |
| 08:24.59 | Zhinjio | nods |
| 08:26.00 | Zhinjio | its screwing up my name hashes. So I gotta account for it either with padding or... something. |
| 08:26.07 | Zhinjio | I guess just padding is a simple fix. |
| 08:26.30 | Arrowmaster | how is it messing up your name hashes? |
| 08:26.42 | Arrowmaster | do you use the string length as part of the hash? |
| 08:27.04 | Zhinjio | no, but when I iterate, I was skipping \195 |
| 08:27.33 | Zhinjio | so every unicode character would shorten my string by 2 hex characters (since I pad with "32"s out to 12 byte |
| 08:27.37 | Zhinjio | er, 24 bytes |
| 08:28.14 | Arrowmaster | eh? why are you skiping \195 |
| 08:28.42 | Zhinjio | I'm honestly not sure what my logic was at the time. |
| 08:28.43 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 08:29.16 | Zhinjio | I think my thinking was I wanted to convert every character to a hex letter pair |
| 08:29.52 | Zhinjio | and if I included the \195, it would turn unicode characters into FOUR hex letters |
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| 08:33.04 | baer_ | had a nice bug with bigwigs last night - in MH it showed the winterchill waves before anetheron. :-p |
| 08:34.17 | Arrowmaster | who started the event? |
| 08:34.36 | baer_ | one of our rogues. |
| 08:34.43 | Arrowmaster | does he use bigwigs? |
| 08:34.52 | baer_ | yes, everyone does. |
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| 08:36.58 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 07Ace3 * r65216 10HandyNotes_Stables/Locales/koKR.lua: HandyNotes_Stables: fix typo in koKR - does anyone of those translators actually test their stuff anymore? |
| 08:37.00 | [Ammo] | he could have been using an old old old bigwigs |
| 08:38.07 | baer_ | hmm, we usually update at least once per week. |
| 08:38.17 | Zhinjio | so in theory, if every character was unicode, and the player's name was maximum length, strlen would be... um... 24. |
| 08:38.17 | baer_ | how old is "old old old" exactly? |
| 08:38.21 | Zhinjio | hrm. |
| 08:38.29 | [Ammo] | old as in frmo the time the wavetimers got added |
| 08:38.44 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r65217 10Ace3/AceHook-3.0/AceHook-3.0.lua: |
| 08:38.44 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - AceHook-3.0 |
| 08:38.44 | CIA-9 | - fix logic flaw in detection of secure hooks in :Unhook |
| 08:39.27 | Arrowmaster | Zhinjio: theres a max length to character names? |
| 08:42.52 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: of course |
| 08:44.25 | Arrowmaster | yeah but i figure its not a byte size, or if it is then its different depending on realm |
| 08:44.39 | Arrowmaster | since CJK characters take 3 bytes in utf8 |
| 08:44.55 | nevcairiel | nah its probably utf8-strlen |
| 08:45.22 | Zhinjio | well, for EU/US, its 12 characters |
| 08:45.43 | Arrowmaster | have you tried using all EASCII chars |
| 08:45.50 | Zhinjio | no |
| 08:45.51 | Arrowmaster | since those take 2 bytes in utf8 |
| 08:46.59 | Arrowmaster | oh and im perty sure wows font system if funky, i cant get some characters to display that i know exist in the fonts |
| 08:47.11 | Arrowmaster | i hates it |
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| 08:53.15 | CIA-9 | PitBull |
| 08:53.15 | CIA-9 | - zhTW locale added |
| 08:55.59 | Zhinjio | I have one more helping of Girl Scout Cookie Samoa ice cream left. |
| 08:56.02 | Zhinjio | hrm. |
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| 09:00.44 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r65219 10Ace3/changelog.txt: Ace3 - update changelog |
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| 09:08.12 | baer_ | someone got time to identify an addon in a video? |
| 09:08.19 | Grum | try |
| 09:08.41 | baer_ | http://videos.happyfunrockers.de/?instance=7&boss=26 |
| 09:08.55 | baer_ | the cooldown addon in the lower left corner. |
| 09:09.44 | Grum | hmmm |
| 09:09.51 | Grum | that seems to be the thing [SW]Dodge was making isnt it? |
| 09:10.03 | Grum | ooh not |
| 09:10.05 | Grum | that big one |
| 09:10.06 | Grum | hmmm |
| 09:10.17 | baer_ | it's quite good to see from 1:52 vid running time. |
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| 09:11.00 | Grum | yeah spotted, just got there |
| 09:11.07 | Grum | before that there is only a seed :) |
| 09:11.13 | baer_ | yup. |
| 09:11.21 | baer_ | the usual things warlocks do with trash. :-D |
| 09:11.30 | Kulaar | but its no cooldown addon |
| 09:11.40 | Kulaar | its a dot timer |
| 09:11.44 | Grum | yup |
| 09:11.45 | baer_ | well, more some uptime addon. |
| 09:12.16 | Grum | its also bugged |
| 09:12.21 | baer_ | yup. |
| 09:12.24 | Grum | check from 3:20 |
| 09:12.40 | Grum | when both 'times' fade away the icons move up ~5 pixels |
| 09:12.53 | baer_ | ^^ |
| 09:13.13 | baer_ | ok, except for the nautic details the SoC seems bugged. |
| 09:13.36 | CIA-9 | 03zhinjio * r65220 10/branches/SKG/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:13.36 | CIA-9 | SuicideKingsGeo : |
| 09:13.36 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.36 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.36 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.38 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.14 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel * r65221 10Bartender3/Button.lua: Bartender3: tweak keybinding shortener |
| 09:14.18 | Grum | at 4:15 how the hell is he doing 1.8s shadowbolts |
| 09:14.28 | Grum | ooh seems to be a haste proc.. mmmz |
| 09:14.42 | baer_ | guess he got massive spellhaste already. |
| 09:15.04 | baer_ | there's a nice trinket that speeds you up by 320 points. |
| 09:15.04 | Grum | 2.3 normal cast |
| 09:16.23 | Grum | he has ~ 120 haste orso |
| 09:16.59 | baer_ | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27683 |
| 09:16.59 | Grum | bit lower |
| 09:17.06 | Grum | but that will work out nicely |
| 09:17.15 | Grum | yeah thats it |
| 09:17.22 | Grum | but the proc had an unknown icon for me :D |
| 09:17.32 | Grum | looks like a 'heal' (priest lowlevels) |
| 09:17.45 | Grum | ah its a holyfire icon ;D |
| 09:17.50 | baer_ | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blackhand&n=Firefloh <-- wearing it. |
| 09:18.02 | baer_ | yup. |
| 09:18.43 | baer_ | anyways... any idea what addon it is? |
| 09:18.47 | grzesieq | meh, there are better trinkets |
| 09:18.51 | durcyn | i'm confused by his lack of 4pc t6 |
| 09:19.15 | baer_ | durcyn: looks like they aren't very far in progress. |
| 09:19.21 | baer_ | bt 5/9 by now. |
| 09:19.25 | durcyn | ah, gotcha |
| 09:19.42 | Grum | haha |
| 09:19.43 | grzesieq | also, first time i see someone wearing these shoulders :P |
| 09:20.05 | baer_ | dito. where are they from? |
| 09:20.11 | durcyn | za somewhere |
| 09:20.18 | Grum | he loves to show off his big hits |
| 09:20.21 | baer_ | ok. |
| 09:20.27 | baer_ | yup. ^^^ |
| 09:20.27 | Grum | eventhough they arent big (that makes if funny) |
| 09:20.34 | baer_ | he loves numbers > 7k as it seems. |
| 09:20.50 | durcyn | tell him my shadowbolts crit for 10k, see what he says =P |
| 09:21.03 | baer_ | *hehe* i don't know him. |
| 09:21.21 | grzesieq | heh he's using immolate |
| 09:21.34 | baer_ | i simply loved the dot timer. :-D |
| 09:21.41 | baer_ | every things else sucks. ^^ |
| 09:22.29 | Grum | haha kek |
| 09:22.35 | Grum | he has 114 haste rating |
| 09:22.37 | Grum | i was close =D |
| 09:23.04 | Grum | humz no destro lock we have is specced on haste |
| 09:23.10 | Grum | he has awful low crit as well |
| 09:23.29 | grzesieq | haha |
| 09:23.34 | grzesieq | dots on essence of desire :D |
| 09:24.11 | Grum | (why is that laughable? - i'm a healer so i hate that fight for other reasons) |
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| 09:24.39 | grzesieq | well dmg done is partially reflected |
| 09:24.44 | grzesieq | so dots give you interrupts |
| 09:24.47 | baer_ | i'm a sp, what's wrong with dots on EoD? |
| 09:25.01 | grzesieq | well if you're a sp its ok |
| 09:25.23 | grzesieq | but why would you throw dots and get interrupts on SB when SB itself does more dmg? |
| 09:25.29 | baer_ | oh ok, didn't get the last lines. |
| 09:25.51 | baer_ | for a lock it's not a good idea, unless he loves being interrupted. :D |
| 09:26.07 | CIA-9 | 03cwdg 072.4 * r65222 10Omen/Localization/zhCN.lua: |
| 09:26.07 | CIA-9 | Omen: |
| 09:26.07 | CIA-9 | Update zhCN local |
| 09:26.24 | Grum | grzesieq: oooh yeah true :D |
| 09:26.31 | Grum | i love that fight |
| 09:26.46 | grzesieq | i used to like haste |
| 09:26.49 | grzesieq | but now its meh |
| 09:26.51 | Grum | my gf is a lock and she occasionally screams when she gets her own ass kicked iwth 9k crit-reflects =D |
| 09:26.56 | grzesieq | gets you oom even faster |
| 09:27.18 | grzesieq | haha <3 how he killed himself |
| 09:27.24 | Grum | :P |
| 09:27.25 | durcyn | baer_: perhaps he has concentration aura. |
| 09:27.34 | Grum | then still you get interrupts right? |
| 09:27.38 | grzesieq | no |
| 09:27.42 | durcyn | with 105% pushback resistance? no. |
| 09:27.51 | grzesieq | but still, its less dps |
| 09:27.53 | baer_ | durcyn: might be, but i can't see it somewhere. |
| 09:27.56 | durcyn | Intensity > |
| 09:28.08 | Grum | hmmm which tree has that? |
| 09:28.14 | Grum | thought it only was in affliction |
| 09:28.24 | Grum | meh guess i have to look into the lock-thing again ;D |
| 09:28.34 | baer_ | nope, intensity is destro. |
| 09:28.44 | durcyn | you're thinking fel conc, which is garbage because it's drains only |
| 09:28.51 | durcyn | except for pvp perhaps |
| 09:29.08 | grzesieq | its nice for lvling ;) |
| 09:30.04 | grzesieq | http://www.robzon.com/uploader/uplfolders/upload9/WoWScrnShot_031708_235607.jpg :o |
| 09:30.39 | baer_ | ? |
| 09:30.58 | grzesieq | hp |
| 09:31.09 | baer_ | wtf?! |
| 09:31.22 | Ozguli | fugly |
| 09:31.52 | Ozguli | and it must be a private server or bug abuse |
| 09:32.25 | grzesieq | just stacking buffs |
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| 09:33.29 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 07dev * r65223 10MiniMapster/ (13 files in 4 dirs): MiniMapster: add a few border options. including nandini textures. |
| 09:33.30 | Zhinjio | alright, now I need to figure out how to do embeds, because how I have the libs setup doesn't work for someone running no other addons. |
| 09:33.31 | Kalroth | naw, look at her buffs |
| 09:33.42 | Kalroth | our MTs have hit 36k health |
| 09:33.57 | durcyn | blood pact, battle standard, hp flask, etc... |
| 09:34.00 | Ozguli | that gear can't have so much stam |
| 09:34.12 | Kalroth | hunter spec gives up to 15% extra health |
| 09:34.29 | baer_ | Kalroth: 36k hp? how that? |
| 09:34.47 | Kalroth | baer_: nightmare seed and last stand |
| 09:34.51 | durcyn | gd taurens |
| 09:34.56 | Kalroth | was an orc ;) |
| 09:35.05 | baer_ | nightmare seed does around 2k, right? |
| 09:35.08 | Kalroth | yeah |
| 09:35.13 | Kalroth | 2k extra health |
| 09:35.28 | baer_ | ok, our mts are around 22k (raid buffed). |
| 09:36.03 | Kalroth | our cows are 23-24k, orcs 22-23k |
| 09:36.29 | baer_ | yup, but 36k is quite much. |
| 09:36.45 | Kalroth | I got 17k unbuffed in my half-arsed tanking gear |
| 09:36.57 | Kalroth | baer_: Last Stand is 30% more health :p |
| 09:37.25 | baer_ | ok, i'm a tanknoob. :-p |
| 09:37.26 | Kalroth | 30% of 36k is around 12k, brings him down to ~25k, subtract nightmare seed from that and he's down to 23k |
| 09:37.44 | Grum | lets see |
| 09:38.24 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 07dev * r65224 10MiniMapster/MiniMapster.lua: MiniMapster: adjust zone text to fit better. |
| 09:39.23 | Lukian | Antiarc, ping? |
| 09:39.30 | Antiarc | ponh |
| 09:39.31 | Antiarc | pong |
| 09:39.54 | Lukian | warnings -> disable while tanking doesn't work :D |
| 09:40.06 | Antiarc | Class? |
| 09:40.10 | Lukian | druid |
| 09:40.17 | Antiarc | Hrm. I'll check it out. |
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| 09:40.24 | Kalroth | reroll a real tanking class then! |
| 09:40.46 | Lukian | 2.1r61751 - latest on files. |
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| 09:45.14 | Zhinjio | well, it looks like I wasn't as far off as I thought I was with the embeds thing |
| 09:45.55 | Zhinjio | just one bad line, easily fixed. |
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| 09:48.37 | Kazie | Is it only certain types of fonts that you can use in wow? |
| 09:49.15 | Kazie | Because i just changed the game font to a font called Cicle, but there are no text at the login screen nor my character list. |
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| 10:19.56 | Orionshock | what func returns the ilvl for an item? |
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| 10:20.37 | nevcairiel | GetItemInfo |
| 10:26.01 | sag_ich_nicht | lmao |
| 10:26.06 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan this is something for you: http://xkcd.com/399/ |
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| 10:39.17 | Fisker- | this is fucking awesome sag_ich_nicht |
| 10:44.00 | Zedde | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I hate it I can't even login to the charr |
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| 10:51.53 | baer_ | ^^ |
| 10:52.05 | baer_ | TSP rocks. ;) |
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| 11:00.15 | [Liquidor] | What's wrong with this macro? (the modifier doesn't work): /cast [nocombat,stance:1]Charge; [combat,nostance:3]Berserker Stance; [nocombat,stance:3]Intercept; [combat,stance:3]Intercept; [modifier:ctrl,nocombat]Battle Stance |
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| 11:04.49 | durcyn | what stance are you using it in? macro conditions are evaluated on first-match |
| 11:05.08 | CIA-9 | 03kurax * r65226 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ARLLocals-zhCN.lua: |
| 11:05.08 | CIA-9 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 11:05.08 | CIA-9 | - zhCN localization update |
| 11:05.27 | durcyn | also, why are you casting berserker stance if you're already in it |
| 11:05.52 | durcyn | not to mention that the combat/nocombat form:3 conditions are redundant |
| 11:06.11 | [Liquidor] | I know jack about macros |
| 11:06.39 | durcyn | try /cast [form:1] Charge ; [form:3] Intercept ; Battle Stance |
| 11:06.56 | durcyn | mash twice for stance change and charge |
| 11:07.17 | [Liquidor] | What does form check for? |
| 11:07.24 | durcyn | it's a synonym for stance |
| 11:07.26 | [Liquidor] | kk |
| 11:07.30 | durcyn | think druid |
| 11:07.50 | [Liquidor] | ye ino but stance works for druids too |
| 11:07.59 | durcyn | and form works for warriors ;) |
| 11:08.04 | [Liquidor] | :) |
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| 11:09.19 | durcyn | you can fancy that up with some further conditionals too, i.e. if you're in stance 3 but not in combat, then change to stance 1 etc |
| 11:10.47 | [Liquidor] | /cast [form:1] Charge ; [form:3] Intercept ; Battle Stance -- doen't seem to be enough |
| 11:11.17 | [Liquidor] | If you hold ctrl would it skip the 2 first statements and go for Battle Stance? |
| 11:11.48 | durcyn | you'd want to put the ctrl first |
| 11:11.49 | Megalon | [Liquidor]: just use you macro, but put the modifier part in the first place |
| 11:12.10 | Megalon | ;o |
| 11:12.19 | [Liquidor] | I know that Megalon, just having a chat with durcyn |
| 11:12.41 | [Liquidor] | Doesn't harm to learn more about it |
| 11:12.44 | durcyn | the modifier seems pointless to me though, why make yourself press ctrl when you can trigger it off of defensive stance? |
| 11:13.22 | durcyn | or even [nocombat] battle stance + charge, [combat] berserker stance + intercept |
| 11:13.34 | durcyn | well, with correct syntax anyway |
| 11:14.27 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r65227 10Ace3/AceConfig-3.0/AceConfigDialog-3.0/AceConfigDialog-3.0.lua: |
| 11:14.27 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - AceConfigDialog: |
| 11:14.27 | CIA-9 | - AddToBlizOptions will return the frame registered so you can use it in InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToFrame |
| 11:15.41 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 072.4 * r65228 10Mapster/Config.lua: Mapster: change Mapster button on the WorldMapFrame to open the 2.4 options dialog |
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| 11:16.20 | Elsia | heya |
| 11:16.54 | nevcairiel | hey |
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| 11:28.18 | Anadale_ | Good day |
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| 11:29.03 | nevcairiel | y'ello |
| 11:29.34 | Anadale_ | Is something wrong with SVN server? |
| 11:29.48 | nevcairiel | worked for me a few minutes ago |
| 11:31.07 | Anadale_ | yep, work now for me as well. prolly a bug :( |
| 11:32.16 | Anadale | nevcariel, may I ask you a fundamental question about Ace3? |
| 11:32.51 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 11:32.54 | JoshBorke | ~asktoask |
| 11:32.55 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 11:34.23 | Anadale | Why there are no recycling functions in Ace3 like in Rock? Every time I look into Ace-based addons there are those new, del in every source file. Why don't integrate them into framework> |
| 11:34.26 | Anadale | *? |
| 11:34.43 | nevcairiel | because generic recycling functions are bad for performance |
| 11:35.26 | Anadale | I'll bet 10 gold that you will not find 10 differences between most of the implementations :) |
| 11:35.33 | JoshBorke | i bet you're right |
| 11:35.43 | nevcairiel | thats not our problem if authors dont listen =P |
| 11:35.58 | JoshBorke | i bet you 10 gold that they are just being lazy :_P |
| 11:35.59 | nevcairiel | If you need recycling because you use alot of tables, you should write a very specific recycling function |
| 11:36.12 | JoshBorke | and you should know when you need to write a recycling routine |
| 11:36.21 | nevcairiel | its only recommended to recycle small tables |
| 11:36.31 | nevcairiel | if you create a very big table, you should just let the GC eat it |
| 11:36.32 | Fisker- | http://media.gtanet.com/images/4156_gtaiv_screenshot.jpg <-UGH |
| 11:36.36 | Fisker- | my eyes |
| 11:36.37 | JoshBorke | recycling small tables that are used often |
| 11:36.55 | Anadale | Yep, but I do not agitate to recycle large tables |
| 11:37.14 | Anadale | I just tired of writing thos new, del, newList, newSet and stuff over and over again |
| 11:37.29 | nevcairiel | for example in AceTimer, our timer tables have like 5 fields, always the same fields. so we do not have to clear those fields at all, we just overwrite them when we grab the table |
| 11:37.36 | nevcairiel | no cpu effort during recycling |
| 11:37.39 | nevcairiel | and still memory saved |
| 11:37.40 | nevcairiel | = win |
| 11:38.17 | JoshBorke | Anadale: then be lazy and let lua GC the tables for you |
| 11:38.38 | JoshBorke | it's really not needed unless you are generating a LOT of tables |
| 11:38.43 | Anadale | I'll end up writing something like LibLaundry-1.0 and will use it in most of my addons. And I think that most of other addon authors are waiting for something like this but prefer to have it in framework |
| 11:38.54 | JoshBorke | why? |
| 11:38.55 | nevcairiel | its stupid |
| 11:38.57 | nevcairiel | dont write it |
| 11:39.01 | JoshBorke | what code are you writing that requires table recycling? |
| 11:39.07 | Anadale | No, that was a joke, of course |
| 11:39.16 | JoshBorke | it wasn't funny :-P |
| 11:39.22 | Anadale | Aura filtering |
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| 11:41.10 | Anadale | Ok, no LibLaundry, you've broke my day, you know? |
| 11:41.28 | Anadale | Then question about AceConfigDialog-3.0 |
| 11:41.32 | Anadale | Multiselect |
| 11:41.34 | nevcairiel | Most of the recycling needs can either be avoided by directly reusing tables without a recycler inbetween, or a VERY specific recycler that does not like iterate over the full table and eat precious cpu |
| 11:41.36 | JoshBorke | table recycling is just a bad idea all around |
| 11:41.59 | nevcairiel | recycling WAS good before 2.0 |
| 11:42.05 | nevcairiel | with 2.0 we got incremental GC |
| 11:42.14 | nevcairiel | and with 2.3 even more incremental GC |
| 11:42.24 | nevcairiel | just let the GC deal with it |
| 11:42.41 | Anadale | Why it is not implemented like dropdown? You have no time or it was a political decision? |
| 11:42.46 | Anadale | I do not trust GC, never met that guy :) |
| 11:42.53 | nevcairiel | multiselect dropdowns suck, but mostly, simply wasnt finished yet |
| 11:43.05 | nevcairiel | the dropdown widget needs a rewrite |
| 11:43.06 | Anadale | ok, got it |
| 11:43.50 | Anadale | Next one. For crazy maniacs like me - is it possible to have a field in AceConfig tables that points AceConfigDialog to type of widget to use for this specific node? |
| 11:43.55 | Nargiddley | I think dropdown multiselect is ugly, but it is planned when I get around to fixing up the dropdown widget. |
| 11:44.18 | Anadale | No, actually it isn't ugly |
| 11:44.21 | nevcairiel | Anadale: yes it is possible, but ONLY for input and select widgets right now |
| 11:44.23 | Anadale | It has many uses |
| 11:44.38 | Anadale | Hmmm. Tell me the secret word :) |
| 11:44.46 | nevcairiel | dialogControl |
| 11:44.48 | Nargiddley | dialogControl |
| 11:45.09 | Nargiddley | the widget has to have the same interface as the one its replacing |
| 11:45.11 | Anadale | value is string, should be placed on "input" and "select" nodes? |
| 11:45.25 | Anadale | and widget must be properly registered with AceGUI? |
| 11:45.45 | Nargiddley | see the bottom of http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceConfig3 for the details |
| 11:45.46 | Nargiddley | yes |
| 11:45.53 | Anadale | ok, thank you |
| 11:46.47 | Anadale | SharedMedia-related stuff is on the list or you do not want to deal with it at all? |
| 11:46.59 | Nargiddley | why would we deal with it ? |
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| 11:47.34 | Anadale | I don't know, may be you have it in general plan. Lot of people use SM, why don't have it? |
| 11:47.55 | JoshBorke | so? |
| 11:47.56 | Nargiddley | I'll rephrase, I dont see anything to handle ? |
| 11:48.01 | nevcairiel | What are you thinking of? I dont get it =P |
| 11:48.26 | Fisker- | *surprise buttsechs* |
| 11:48.39 | Anadale | ok. I think it'll be handy if there will be types like "font", "texture" and stuff |
| 11:48.46 | Nargiddley | no |
| 11:48.52 | Anadale | KISS? |
| 11:49.19 | nevcairiel | yeah, its all about KISS essentially =P |
| 11:49.33 | JoshBorke | and what would this Font type do? |
| 11:49.43 | Nargiddley | how does the current select differ from either of those ? |
| 11:49.53 | nevcairiel | one could write dialogControl widgets for select that for font shows a select box that shows the font name in said font |
| 11:49.54 | nevcairiel | or so |
| 11:50.02 | Nargiddley | that can't be handled by a custom control to show previews or something |
| 11:50.06 | Anadale | drop down with list of fonts, each entry painted by it's own font |
| 11:50.34 | JoshBorke | custom widget imo |
| 11:50.48 | nevcairiel | texture could show the texture in the dropdown .. but thats just meh too =P |
| 11:51.16 | Anadale | There is so many custom widgets that can be used by everyone, so imo they all should be placed in AceGUI OR in separate library for common use |
| 11:51.27 | JoshBorke | separate library for common use |
| 11:52.00 | Nargiddley | well I don't know of any fully working custom widgets except the one I wrote, so theres nothing to put in the library yet. |
| 11:52.04 | Elsia | media preview is very nice, gief separate lib |
| 11:52.31 | nevcairiel | if a widget is really good and useful, we might even place it in AceGUI directly, just no seperate type in AceConfigDialog |
| 11:52.32 | JoshBorke | write it your damn selves :-P |
| 11:52.44 | Elsia | gief timez |
| 11:53.01 | nevcairiel | its holiday weekend, get working =P |
| 11:53.07 | Elsia | working on recount :P |
| 11:53.10 | Anadale | nevcariel, I hate you :) |
| 11:53.19 | nevcairiel | i get that alot |
| 11:53.24 | nevcairiel | but most people spell my name right too |
| 11:53.36 | Anadale | sorry, misspels :( |
| 11:53.38 | JoshBorke | nevvy: and? |
| 11:53.44 | nevcairiel | ~lart JoshBorke |
| 11:53.44 | purl | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats JoshBorke until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 11:53.48 | Anadale | there is no autocomplete in my IRC client :) |
| 11:53.55 | JoshBorke | ~lart nevcairielly |
| 11:53.55 | purl | gives nevcairielly a good seeing to |
| 11:54.01 | Elsia | autocomplete is a bloat feature ;) |
| 11:54.18 | Anadale | It's more savvy then copy/paste, you know... |
| 11:54.38 | JoshBorke | copy paste is bloat |
| 11:54.46 | JoshBorke | see,i can do it too |
| 11:54.58 | Elsia | .D |
| 11:55.02 | Elsia | :D |
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| 12:08.44 | Kazie | ANyone here? |
| 12:09.07 | [Liquidor] | http://youtube.com/watch?v=R0l7efwz1EE |
| 12:09.13 | Kazie | anyone who can tell me whether or not BA3_SpellAbilities is good? |
| 12:09.19 | [Liquidor] | pro gamer |
| 12:11.04 | Kazie | That lasted just about 10 seconds and then i shut it down.. that was really scary man |
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| 12:19.51 | Lukian | phyber, ping? |
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| 12:21.54 | SunTsu | sylvanaar_work: Looks like prat's nick coloring is broken somehow since the last few commits. Not all nicks show up colored anymore, not even those in my guild |
| 12:22.47 | Fisker- | get the fuck out [Liquidor] |
| 12:23.30 | Kazie | SunTsu: Since when did it start? |
| 12:25.08 | SunTsu | Kazie: Must be one of the last few commits. I updated some few hours ago and it broke, before it worked |
| 12:25.30 | SunTsu | I update my addons twice or three times a day |
| 12:25.55 | Kazie | hmm.. if there was an update today maybe.. just.. yesterday i had no problems with prat whatsoever ^^ |
| 12:26.31 | Kazie | But i've just deleted my whole UI and i've only run diffrent fonts to find the right one untill now and now i'm making a addon list in WAU :) hehe |
| 12:26.33 | SunTsu | Kazie: Yes, it was: two commits about 11 hours ago, which I asume broke it |
| 12:26.55 | kenlyric | you know what I like? addons that are smart and only load for the class they're written for. |
| 12:27.09 | Kazie | well.. that would make it somewhat 2am .. i went to bed at 00:30 - 01:00 :D |
| 12:27.42 | Kazie | kenlyric: pretty good addons yea.. but Prat is not such addon :) .. prat is a chat modification addon :) hihi |
| 12:27.52 | kenlyric | ok |
| 12:28.02 | SunTsu | Kazie: I think "02:16:51 < CIA-9> sylvanaar * r65207 Prat/ (64 files in 11 dirs): Prat: 2.4 Changes merged to trunk. Couple lines are commented out until 2.4 goes live." is the culprit |
| 12:28.42 | Kazie | wow and i always hated math ^^ 2am wasn't that off ;) |
| 12:29.24 | Kazie | Well.. i surposed there's nothing to do but wait for another fix SunTsu. |
| 12:29.42 | SunTsu | Kazie: Sure, I just wanted to tell sylvanaar_work |
| 12:29.58 | Kazie | btw. Do you use KgPanels? |
| 12:30.16 | SunTsu | No, I don't |
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| 12:30.26 | Kazie | Anyone using Kgpanels? :p |
| 12:30.45 | Kazie | need to know if it - as eePanel2's succesor - has the script feature ^^ |
| 12:32.58 | kenlyric | it'd be nice if you could filter out localization changes from the "last updated" field for a mod :) |
| 12:34.21 | kenlyric | i didn't even realize eepanels was being replaced until you mentioned it and I checked the changelog |
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| 12:35.25 | Kazie | Niether did i:) |
| 12:35.27 | Xaktsaroth | Good afternoon people. Im searching for someone that could tell me the name of some addon that shows cords without the need to open the map. |
| 12:35.35 | Kazie | Xaktsaroth: Good afternoon |
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| 12:35.46 | Xaktsaroth | I used metamap before but it was a bit out of date now :P |
| 12:35.46 | kenlyric | tomtom, simpleminimap, chinchilla |
| 12:35.52 | Xaktsaroth | Ok thanks |
| 12:35.55 | Kazie | Simpleminimap shows your cords on the minimap |
| 12:36.08 | Kazie | it seems that SimpleMinimap is outdated :S |
| 12:36.21 | Kazie | oh.. nvm there it is :P |
| 12:36.41 | Xaktsaroth | what does tomtomt and chinchilla dp ? |
| 12:36.56 | kenlyric | tomtom is just coords and waypoints |
| 12:37.05 | kenlyric | chinchilla is another minimap mod like simple minimap |
| 12:37.31 | Kazie | What is to prefer btw? |
| 12:37.50 | kenlyric | meh, whatever |
| 12:37.53 | Kazie | I've been using SimpleMinimap for ages... haven't really checked others.. |
| 12:38.12 | Xaktsaroth | Hm i use wow standard minimap maybe should try get some other that takes a bit less space on screen. The square one seemed nice |
| 12:38.29 | Kazie | mm :) |
| 12:38.44 | Kazie | i simply can't stand the default UI :s |
| 12:39.01 | Kazie | Too much stuff |
| 12:39.10 | Xaktsaroth | hehe |
| 12:39.33 | Xaktsaroth | I has gotten so used to the standard ui that when i tried other custom uis i could not find a shit :P |
| 12:39.52 | Kazie | i like that i can see only my unit frames, unfolded chats(minchat) bars and minimap when i solo for instance.. and i only have 1 visible bar.. with 6-9 buttons ^^ |
| 12:40.10 | Kazie | and ofc. buffs |
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| 12:41.14 | Kazie | Xaktsaroth: To be honest, make them yourself :).. that's the only real way of true satisfactory UIs |
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| 12:41.42 | SunTsu | Xaktsaroth: Chinchilla is really powerful, you can do all kind of shapes. But it has it's price in memory usage |
| 12:41.52 | Xaktsaroth | Well i tried kazie but i failed |
| 12:42.17 | Kazie | Xaktsaroth: Maybe it's the way you're doing it :) .. many of my mates fail too as they are trying to setup everything at once :) |
| 12:42.27 | Xaktsaroth | hehe :D |
| 12:42.31 | Xaktsaroth | thanks suntsu |
| 12:43.10 | Kazie | on behalf on memory usage i suggest SimpleMinimap as it's not really so heavy.. and it can modify the minimap more than enouhg, with several shapes |
| 12:43.59 | SunTsu | I started using Chinchilla just for the name of it ;) But then I came to like the range circle when gathering |
| 12:44.22 | Kazie | hehe :) |
| 12:44.33 | Xaktsaroth | Well the comp i have atm is not so hot and up to date so doubt it can handle chinchilla |
| 12:44.41 | Kazie | From time to time the authors do come up with brilliant names :) |
| 12:44.42 | Xaktsaroth | Might try on the new comp that is comming |
| 12:45.06 | Kazie | Xaktsaroth: in that case go SimpleMinimap :) |
| 12:45.15 | Kazie | dammit |
| 12:45.15 | Xaktsaroth | Btw while chatting with you helpfull people. What wow maps should i copy to the new comp to save my settings,macros etc ? |
| 12:45.16 | SunTsu | Kazie: Well, I used to have 2 chinchillas as pets, so.. ;) |
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| 12:45.42 | Kazie | I haven't even done anything yet, but to make my "sketch" addon list - and i already have 45 addons to start with x.X |
| 12:45.47 | SunTsu | Xaktsaroth: The WTF folder |
| 12:46.00 | Kazie | SunTsu: hehe.. chinchilla's pwn ^^ |
| 12:46.02 | Xaktsaroth | Its the only one needed for all settings ? |
| 12:46.09 | SunTsu | Xaktsaroth: Yes |
| 12:46.12 | Xaktsaroth | ok thanks |
| 12:47.01 | Xaktsaroth | what about squenix ? I seen many use that minimap addon |
| 12:47.28 | kebinusan | I still use simpleminimap which does pretty much everything one could ask |
| 12:47.48 | SunTsu | Xaktsaroth: You most like want to just test them for yourself. Nobody here can tell what suits your needs best |
| 12:48.05 | Xaktsaroth | True :P |
| 12:48.59 | Josh_Borke | kebinusan: does it slice my bread? |
| 12:49.28 | nevcairiel | it cooks it too |
| 12:49.33 | nevcairiel | oh wait, thats chinchilla |
| 12:49.40 | nevcairiel | or bakes even =P |
| 12:49.55 | SunTsu | No, Chinchilla just nibbles ist |
| 12:50.37 | kebinusan | keep chinchilla around and feed it lots of memory... then someday it will get all big and fat and die and you can make slippers from it |
| 12:51.51 | kebinusan | I never had one as a pet, had hedgehogs, rats, birds and ferrets tho |
| 12:51.57 | kebinusan | birds were the worst |
| 12:52.10 | kenlyric | pretty sure any such claim that smm and chinchilla are wildly different in their memory usage is, well, crazy talk |
| 12:52.22 | kebinusan | kenlyric: was just making a joke |
| 12:52.43 | kenlyric | crazy talk, I say |
| 12:52.45 | kebinusan | dont go all zealot on me! |
| 12:53.03 | kenlyric | I give a big 'meh' when mods do the same thing |
| 12:53.30 | kenlyric | and have the same footprint |
| 12:53.44 | kenlyric | no zealot. I'm anti-zealot |
| 12:54.12 | kenlyric | if I could figure out how to make SMM permanently move my quest timer frame, I'd probably still be using it :) |
| 12:54.14 | kebinusan | heh, yeah, Im fine with multiple mods doing the same thing since some cater to minimalists and some to tweakers |
| 12:55.54 | kebinusan | anyone know if htere is a way to make vlc play a specific audio track for everything on your play list |
| 12:58.14 | Xaktsaroth | Simpleminimap seems like it fits me realy nice, just a question tough about the cords. Is there not a chance i can manually place them on the screen ? |
| 12:58.26 | kenlyric | I don't think so |
| 12:58.49 | Kazie | Xaktsaroth: afaik no .. they are attached to the minimap |
| 12:59.01 | kenlyric | you'll need tomtom or chinchilla for that |
| 12:59.08 | Kazie | Anyone know if KgPanels have the script feature of eePanels? |
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| 12:59.19 | durcyn | you could edit the lua and tweak the positioning, it's just parented to MinimapCluster arbitrarily |
| 13:00.21 | kenlyric | man, I found a mod that seemed ok and it was like "edit the lua to change settings" and I was like, "fuck you, biter" |
| 13:00.44 | Xaktsaroth | Thanks all for the help was a decent amount of clearance in my screen i got with this :D |
| 13:00.58 | Kazie | ;D |
| 13:01.24 | durcyn | kenlyric: well, how about "hey, write a patch that allows arbitrary placement of the coords frame, then submit it, eh?" |
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| 13:01.50 | kenlyric | I wasn't really replying to your comment |
| 13:01.54 | kenlyric | it just made me think of that mod |
| 13:02.02 | kenlyric | fixing stuff in the code is fine |
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| 13:02.45 | kenlyric | but i'm pretty sure having editable settings has been around for a few decades now :) |
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| 13:08.27 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r65229 10Recount/ (GUI_Main.lua LazySync.lua Recount.lua Tracker.lua): (log message trimmed) |
| 13:08.27 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 13:08.27 | CIA-9 | - Implemented Lazy Syncing for self, pet and bosses. For these, data will only |
| 13:08.27 | CIA-9 | be sync'd out of combat (after combat) and only if (a) the syncing party was out |
| 13:08.28 | CIA-9 | of visible range and (b) data had changed. This should in the vast majority of |
| 13:08.32 | CIA-9 | cases mean that there is no syncing, and if it is the amount of sync traffic is |
| 13:08.34 | CIA-9 | minimized and happens during non-critical times. |
| 13:09.27 | Elsia | anyone on EU PTR PVE alliance side got some spare time to help me test recount sync code? |
| 13:10.00 | keiss | Elsia: sure |
| 13:10.02 | nevcairiel | if i dont have to do much and can code on my stuff :D |
| 13:10.18 | Elsia | I just need party member, a few active ones whould be good though ;) |
| 13:10.25 | Elsia | whisper renetta for invites |
| 13:10.44 | Elsia | oh and you need the latest SVN commit :P |
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| 13:12.32 | Kazie | Anyone experiencing some errors with KgPanels? |
| 13:12.36 | CIA-9 | 03merl * r65230 10/branches/mHud/ (31 files in 14 dirs): mHud: Typo fix ( 1/2 ) |
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| 13:17.30 | CIA-9 | 03merl * r65231 10/branches/mHud/ (10 files in 3 dirs): mHud: Typo fix ( 2/2 ) |
| 13:18.26 | Kazie | Anyone who can help with KgPanels?? |
| 13:21.46 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r65232 10Recount/LazySync.lua: |
| 13:21.46 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 13:21.46 | CIA-9 | - Bug fixes. |
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| 13:22.38 | Kazie | Anyone around? :o |
| 13:22.53 | Elsia | yeah I'm here, but not using kgpanels |
| 13:23.34 | Kazie | more like an error... it says that it's registered in some ace registry thing |
| 13:25.31 | evl | Anyone know why some quests have green background in TourGuide? |
| 13:25.33 | evl | Im baffled! |
| 13:26.42 | Lukian | !seen phyber |
| 13:27.03 | phyber | Lukian: hi |
| 13:27.19 | Lukian | phyber, you are maintaining icehud atm yeah? |
| 13:27.34 | phyber | IceHUD? not me. |
| 13:27.54 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r65233 10Recount/LazySync.lua: |
| 13:27.54 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 13:27.54 | CIA-9 | - Fixed bug for non-pet classes |
| 13:28.17 | Lukian | hmm actually maybe I wanted you for restfu |
| 13:28.28 | phyber | RestFu seems more likely, yeah |
| 13:28.43 | Lukian | let me upload two screenshots |
| 13:28.56 | Lukian | basically, when it refreshes itself, two servers rearrange themselves |
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| 13:32.17 | Lukian | phyber, see screenshots in PM, basically with the mouse over it would alternate the placement of area 52 & Cael while the tooltip/frame was up |
| 13:33.10 | phyber | how.... strange. |
| 13:33.36 | kenlyric | I've never noticed it happening live, but it does seem arbitrary which one it chooses to put on top |
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| 13:33.53 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r65234 10Recount/LazySync.lua: |
| 13:33.53 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 13:33.53 | CIA-9 | - Fixed another bug :P |
| 13:35.30 | phyber | well, it's just a table sort, so Lua probably just does a random dice roll as it goes through the tables. |
| 13:37.54 | Lukian | if you were actually trying to read information while it's alternating between servers, it would be quite brain hurting :( |
| 13:38.34 | Lukian | Can you multisort it or such, even by server name? |
| 13:39.35 | phyber | no idea, i've never touched the indexing part of it. |
| 13:39.41 | kenlyric | man, rest is so crazy unnecessary at later levels now |
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| 13:40.01 | kenlyric | I think I went 3 levels using 30% rest |
| 13:40.09 | Lukian | rest is for players who don't play often :p |
| 13:40.14 | phyber | although, it shouldn't reindex while it's just displaying it. |
| 13:40.15 | Lukian | or instance grinders :D |
| 13:40.22 | kenlyric | well, it used to be practically necessary between 50-60 |
| 13:40.34 | Lukian | phyber, yeah I found it quite weird :/ |
| 13:40.36 | kenlyric | use up a full rest bar in 3 levels |
| 13:40.46 | phyber | and it looks like it uses ipairs() so I'm not sure how they can come out in a different order. |
| 13:42.54 | sacarasc | how does Enhancer work? I installed it but i can't see it doing anything |
| 13:42.57 | kenlyric | I typically don't care about rest much anymore, but I still use restfu to decide which alt to play if I'm not motivated in one particular direction. |
| 13:43.31 | kenlyric | sacarasc: did you install it with libraries embedded? |
| 13:43.47 | Lukian | kenlyric, yeah I use it for that and keeping a tally of my total time played :/ |
| 13:43.50 | kenlyric | if you don't know, then you probably di |
| 13:43.53 | kenlyric | *d |
| 13:43.55 | sacarasc | i dunno... used the wow ace updater thing to install it |
| 13:44.10 | kenlyric | well, check for an error that you are missing LibRoman |
| 13:44.37 | sacarasc | where would this error be? not seen any (installed it a while back) |
| 13:44.49 | kenlyric | it'd show up on startup. |
| 13:44.55 | kenlyric | probably not the issue then |
| 13:45.00 | sacarasc | not seen any there |
| 13:45.42 | Lukian | lua errors aren't hidden? ;) |
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| 13:46.12 | kenlyric | oh |
| 13:46.15 | kenlyric | d'oh |
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| 13:47.16 | sacarasc | just installed LibRoman-1.0 |
| 13:47.39 | kenlyric | well, you can go into your interface/addons folder and see if there are the proper libs in the enhancer folder |
| 13:48.03 | kenlyric | or, that works too |
| 13:48.56 | sacarasc | are there any other deps for it? |
| 13:49.07 | kenlyric | that's the only one it fails at |
| 13:50.23 | ZealotOnAStick | Ugh. |
| 13:50.28 | Lukian | sacarasc, open the toc file |
| 13:50.38 | ZealotOnAStick | Anyone know what a recent, non-broken revision of PallyPower is? |
| 13:50.57 | Lukian | ZealotOnAStick, what broke? : |
| 13:51.14 | Lukian | try r61481 |
| 13:51.46 | ZealotOnAStick | hrm. |
| 13:51.55 | ZealotOnAStick | never mind, works now after /rl. |
| 13:52.00 | Lukian | heh :D |
| 13:52.04 | Lukian | What wasn't working? |
| 13:52.14 | sacarasc | after installing LibRoman fubar disappeared ;\ |
| 13:52.16 | ZealotOnAStick | before that, I'm not going to try to guess, there were 81 errors for loads of different things. |
| 13:52.49 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 072.4 * r65235 10CombatFilter/ (CombatFilter.lua FilterGUI.lua FilterRules.lua): |
| 13:52.49 | CIA-9 | CombatFilter: |
| 13:52.49 | CIA-9 | - ability to add/delete new filters |
| 13:52.49 | CIA-9 | - option to disable filters |
| 13:52.49 | CIA-9 | - improved filter re-generation when changing its output frame |
| 13:52.51 | Elsia | lua> test="abc"; test:match("<(.-)>") |
| 13:52.52 | lua_bot | Elsia: No output |
| 13:53.03 | Elsia | lua> test="abc"; print(test:match("<(.-)>")) |
| 13:53.04 | lua_bot | Elsia: nil |
| 13:53.13 | Lukian | ZealotOnAStick, hahaha |
| 13:53.43 | Lukian | ZealotOnAStick, I'd guess a library somehow failed to load? :D |
| 13:56.41 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r65236 10Recount/LazySync.lua: |
| 13:56.41 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 13:56.41 | CIA-9 | - Fix for sync'd player creation (owner was missing) |
| 13:57.52 | CIA-9 | 03jjsheets * r65237 10InfiniBar-2.0/IB_Button.lua: InfiniBar-2.0 - Fixed bug at IB_Button.lua:779. |
| 13:59.53 | sylvanaar_work | is prat not working? |
| 14:01.38 | SunTsu | sylvanaar_work: It is working, but nick coloring looks inconsistently broken |
| 14:01.59 | SunTsu | It doesn't even color my own char |
| 14:02.08 | sylvanaar_work | wierd |
| 14:02.41 | SunTsu | Some random chars are colored, some I know it should know the class of are not |
| 14:03.25 | sylvanaar_work | strange |
| 14:04.14 | sylvanaar_work | well, i know it has replaced the babble-class code for selecting color |
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| 14:07.13 | Kazie | kagaro: Is there any where to find some guide on resizing KgPanels when the chat it is parrented to, resizes? |
| 14:07.54 | kagaro | check the beta testing thread, the scripts for that are available |
| 14:10.22 | Kazie | I have, but i seem quite confused ^^ I'm not really sure what to do or where to put the scripts.. there's a lot more options than in eePanels i think :) |
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| 14:13.40 | Kazie | kagaro: Are you going to add a copy system? .. like in eePanels - where you could copy the background color of panel1 into panel2. it's quite hard to hit the exact colors without values ;) hihi |
| 14:14.07 | kagaro | it has a copy method |
| 14:14.45 | Kazie | Oh |
| 14:15.23 | sacarasc | now it seems that Dewdrop Lib isn't doing something (was working, now get complaints it's not installed) |
| 14:15.23 | sacarasc | Interface\AddOns\Postal\Postal.lua:5: Cannot find a library instance of Dewdrop-2.0. |
| 14:15.33 | sacarasc | addons hate me! |
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| 14:19.13 | Kazie | kagaro: sorry mate.. i'm a pain in the ass.. but i just switched from eePanels to KgPanels.. how do i find the Parrent of a frame? .. like eePanel1 etc. |
| 14:19.52 | kagaro | if you tryint to parent to some toehr panel you made in kgPanels just use that name .. i.e. you create a Panel called Chatter, you can parent other to it by jut using Chatter |
| 14:20.22 | Kazie | I tried that already - read from the FAQ.. hmm.. i must be doing something wrong to destroy this ^^ |
| 14:20.49 | kagaro | are you trying to use that name in a script? |
| 14:22.00 | sacarasc | GAH! |
| 14:22.29 | sacarasc | this is just so annoying... deleted all the addons and reinstalled some, now getting an error about a missing lib which isn;t missing |
| 14:22.51 | Kazie | No, i just try to parrent atm :) .. but it's working now.. now i just have to figure out how to resize when my chat resizes(from minichat) |
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| 14:27.59 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 072.4 * r65238 10CombatFilter/ (CombatFilter.lua FilterRules.lua): |
| 14:27.59 | CIA-9 | CombatFilter: |
| 14:27.59 | CIA-9 | - do not allow to run a new re-filtering of one is active right now |
| 14:27.59 | CIA-9 | - add plumbing for choosing AND/OR mode in unit filters |
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| 14:30.34 | sacarasc | Antiarc: i needs your help, maybe! |
| 14:33.39 | sylvanaar_work | i think prat is storing the localized class name or something |
| 14:34.50 | SunTsu | sylvanaar_work: What is disturbing me, it first looked like it was class dependent, but it isn't. Some rogues are colored, some are not |
| 14:34.52 | cralor_ | does anyone recall the line of code that searches for a specific class before loading? |
| 14:35.08 | Josh_Borke | searches what for a specific class? |
| 14:35.22 | cralor_ | like if an addon was class specific |
| 14:35.40 | Josh_Borke | local _, class = UnitClass("player"); if class == "PALADIN" DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Bubble Hearth HOO!") end |
| 14:36.02 | Gngsk | missing then? :P |
| 14:36.06 | sacarasc | OK, this is starting to really annoy, but let's see if anyone has any ideas... Just deleted *all* addons, then using jWowUpdater installed Omen which installed all of its dependancies and theirs, etc./topic |
| 14:36.07 | sacarasc | erm |
| 14:36.08 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, probably because some places in playernames are using the localized class and some arent |
| 14:36.38 | sacarasc | http://ace.pastey.net/84178 is my addons dir |
| 14:36.51 | sylvanaar_work | GetGuildRosterInfo |
| 14:36.57 | sylvanaar_work | need to look that up |
| 14:37.08 | sacarasc | now, when i log in, i get an error that LibBabble-Spell-3.0 isn't installed |
| 14:37.26 | Josh_Borke | cralor_: i just wrote it out |
| 14:37.29 | Josh_Borke | local _, class = UnitClass("player"); if class == "PALADIN" then DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Bubble Hearth HOO!") end |
| 14:37.32 | Josh_Borke | this time with a then |
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| 14:37.48 | sacarasc | (from Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0/ThreatBuffsData.lus |
| 14:37.55 | sacarasc | *lua |
| 14:38.03 | sacarasc | anyone have any idea whatsoever? |
| 14:38.04 | Josh_Borke | local _, class = UnitClass("player"); if class == "<some class in all caps here>" then DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Wow, great class! "..class) end |
| 14:38.12 | sylvanaar_work | I'm guessing that GetGuildRosterInfo returns the localized class |
| 14:38.23 | Josh_Borke | sacarasc: yea, it's loading it in the incorrect order |
| 14:38.52 | baer_ | sylvanaar_work: get me a sec, and i'll try it on a deDE-client. |
| 14:39.09 | sacarasc | Josh_Borke: any idea how to get it to load in the right order? |
| 14:39.21 | Josh_Borke | sacarasc: yea, embed everything :-P |
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| 14:41.14 | sylvanaar_work | so, we still need babble-class afterall |
| 14:41.18 | phyber | /sigh at gold spam in LFG channels. |
| 14:41.37 | sacarasc | anything that someone who can't do anything like that could do? |
| 14:43.31 | sylvanaar_work | ok, i'll have to revert some stuff to put babble-class back in |
| 14:43.44 | sylvanaar_work | i cant believe i got talked out of using it |
| 14:44.05 | [Ammo] | just loop RAID_CLASS_COLORS |
| 14:44.16 | sylvanaar_work | with the localized class names? |
| 14:44.16 | [Ammo] | oh wait |
| 14:44.18 | [Ammo] | that won't work |
| 14:44.20 | [Ammo] | ohwell |
| 14:44.21 | sylvanaar_work | yeah |
| 14:44.24 | [Ammo] | fuck the asians then |
| 14:44.28 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
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| 14:44.37 | sylvanaar_work | i did already by removing babble-class |
| 14:44.44 | [Ammo] | haha |
| 14:44.51 | [Ammo] | well there is -3.0 now |
| 14:44.52 | [Ammo] | shrug |
| 14:44.56 | sylvanaar_work | yeah |
| 14:45.07 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r65239 10Recount/ (LazySync.lua Recount.lua): |
| 14:45.07 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 14:45.07 | CIA-9 | - More ugly bugs die horrible deaths. |
| 14:45.09 | sylvanaar_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.12 | [Ammo] | or hmm |
| 14:45.17 | [Ammo] | you could make it selflearning |
| 14:45.20 | [Ammo] | from unitclass calls |
| 14:45.22 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 14:45.24 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, i could |
| 14:45.39 | [Ammo] | but people would still whine |
| 14:45.42 | Nandini | careful, that's only 1 step away from self aware :P |
| 14:45.45 | sacarasc | ah ha! i got it to work |
| 14:45.48 | [Ammo] | and then you can tell them to use an english game |
| 14:45.48 | sacarasc | *dances* |
| 14:46.20 | [Ammo] | all this hatred versus foreign locales stems from moron asian translators |
| 14:46.31 | [Ammo] | sorry if I kick against the shins of other foreign language users |
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| 14:53.04 | CIA-9 | 03sylvanaar * r65240 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/ (ChannelNames.lua PlayerNames.lua): Prat: Fix playernames not working in different locales |
| 14:55.45 | SunTsu | sylvanaar_work: Thanks |
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| 14:58.07 | CIA-9 | 03gagorian * r65241 10DrDamage/ (embeds.xml libs/): |
| 14:58.07 | CIA-9 | DrDamage: |
| 14:58.07 | CIA-9 | - Removed Babble-Race |
| 15:00.05 | CIA-9 | 03sylvanaar * r65242 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/Editbox.lua: Prat: Fix editbox changes lost when merging in 2.4 changes |
| 15:00.40 | sylvanaar_work | SunTsu can you test it for me? I won't have time today |
| 15:01.06 | SunTsu | sylvanaar_work: In about 1 hour I can, I just started arcatraz heroic |
| 15:01.26 | SunTsu | Afterwards I'll gladly test it |
| 15:02.19 | Gagorian | Hrmmm. It's a bit annoying every talent rank has a different spellID, can anyone say if it's guaranteed that the following ranks will always have sequential IDs? |
| 15:03.54 | Kaaosa | It's likely, but I wouldn't say it's guaranteed. |
| 15:04.04 | Kaaosa | Knowing Blizzard. |
| 15:04.56 | Gagorian | Well yes, going through all talents to verify isn't something I'd really enjoy spending my evening with |
| 15:05.17 | kenlyric | just assume it and then fix if there are bugs |
| 15:05.21 | kenlyric | sounds easiest :) |
| 15:06.08 | Gagorian | I'm considering using talent positions instead of spellIDs so I' |
| 15:06.13 | Gagorian | m not sure which I'll pick yet. |
| 15:06.49 | Gagorian | Talent positions can theoretically change, but it could be easier than finding every talent spellID :l |
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| 15:08.50 | Arrowmaster | all the talent spellids are up on wowhead |
| 15:09.09 | Arrowmaster | just takes some searching |
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| 15:09.16 | Gagorian | Yeah it's not a problem of finding one, but multiply that by 120 and you have a lot of work :p |
| 15:09.24 | kenlyric | it took a while to build the list for armorylite.com |
| 15:09.32 | kenlyric | no way to automate it |
| 15:11.22 | Gagorian | I've always considered using talent tree positions to determine talents instead of names but since BabbleSpell was a necessity in any case I never bothered |
| 15:11.53 | Gagorian | I'm not sure talent spellIDs makes it at all easier |
| 15:12.14 | dylanm | Versus tree position? Probably not. |
| 15:12.22 | Gagorian | Myes |
| 15:12.44 | Gagorian | If sequential IDs can be assumed the table could be populated automatically for different talentranks |
| 15:12.54 | Gagorian | but still, probably more work |
| 15:13.13 | Gagorian | And it's not more efficient in any way |
| 15:13.28 | Arrowmaster | i think spellids will be easyer to maintain in the future |
| 15:14.40 | Gagorian | Probably somewhat |
| 15:16.26 | Gagorian | Would be nice to have spellIDs that stay the same for each spell rank |
| 15:16.58 | Gagorian | But well, I'll just use the first rank spellID for each spell to build the localized names |
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| 15:17.11 | Gagorian | And use them |
| 15:19.06 | dylanm | When can you not see an enemy's level? When they're 10 levels above or more? |
| 15:19.22 | Gagorian | Or it's a boss |
| 15:19.42 | dylanm | Right. |
| 15:19.42 | Gagorian | s/boss/worldboss/ |
| 15:20.40 | dylanm | Are the old bosses considered 73 too? |
| 15:21.13 | nevcairiel | anything that says "worldboss" in its UnitClassification |
| 15:21.30 | nevcairiel | is yourlevel + 3 |
| 15:21.37 | dylanm | That's right. |
| 15:21.43 | SunTsu | sylvanaar_work: Now the coloring is all gone ;) |
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| 15:23.10 | dylanm | nevcairiel: What if you're level 5 or something :p |
| 15:23.21 | nevcairiel | its still considered level 8 then |
| 15:23.41 | nevcairiel | only that the level doesnt touch its HP or dmg output |
| 15:23.45 | nevcairiel | only chance to hit etc |
| 15:23.56 | dylanm | Right. Just percentages. Gotcha. |
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| 15:28.48 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r65243 10Recount/ (LazySync.lua Recount.lua): |
| 15:28.48 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 15:28.49 | CIA-9 | - Bug fixes and cleanup of sync code. Thanks to keiss for extensive testing. |
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| 15:35.16 | SunTsu | sylvanaar_work: I'm using the german client, forgot to mention that |
| 15:36.08 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, it shouldnt matter - it should be fixed for all locales |
| 15:37.00 | SunTsu | sylvanaar_work: Before the last change some Names were colorless, grey, now they are colored in the channel's color |
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| 15:48.41 | sylvanaar_work | in the channel's color? |
| 15:48.53 | sylvanaar_work | do you have babble-class-2.0 installed? |
| 15:49.26 | sylvanaar_work | if you run embedded, you need to install babble-2.2, the external was removed |
| 15:49.48 | SunTsu | sylvanaar_work: Somenthing's seriously broken here now, altnames doesn't seem to work anymore. |
| 15:49.56 | sylvanaar_work | then there is a syntax error |
| 15:50.07 | sylvanaar_work | look in bugsack |
| 15:50.17 | SunTsu | sylvanaar_work: I have babble installed, at least JWU should install it if it's needed |
| 15:50.27 | kenlyric | 2008/03/21 11:49:38-820-x1]: Prat_Modules\modules\PlayerNames.lua:990: 'end' expected (to close 'function' at line 988) near 'class' |
| 15:50.32 | sylvanaar_work | yeah |
| 15:50.49 | kenlyric | altnames breaks because it can't find playername |
| 15:51.11 | SunTsu | sylvanaar_work: Yeah, right, Platz.lua line 2220: AceLocale-2.2: Bad Argument #2 to '?' (string expected, got nil) |
| 15:51.11 | kenlyric | i've had this error all morning [2008/03/21 11:49:53-820-x1]: Prat-2.0 63303.65242\Prat.lua:2220: AceLocale-2.2: Bad argument #2 to `?' (string expected, got nil) |
| 15:51.13 | kenlyric | the previous one is new |
| 15:52.10 | kenlyric | http://ace.pastey.net/84181 for the full error |
| 15:53.39 | CIA-9 | 03sylvanaar * r65244 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/PlayerNames.lua: Prat: comment out code following a return statement |
| 15:55.21 | sylvanaar_work | should be ok now |
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| 15:57.53 | sylvanaar_work | I'll upgrade it to babble-class-3.0 when i have more time |
| 15:58.21 | sylvanaar_work | anyhow happy easter for those that celebrate it, see you guys later |
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| 16:02.11 | kenlyric | sometimes I see a whole cluster of mobs who will fan out from a central location when I approach. There's a cluster of moonkin in darkshore near the red crystal, and some murlocs on the bloodwash who do it as well. Do some mobs have this as part of their path, to cluster until someone approaches? |
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| 16:02.33 | nevcairiel | dont think so |
| 16:02.39 | nevcairiel | maybe they just spawned |
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| 16:02.45 | nevcairiel | because you entered the area |
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| 16:06.31 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r65245 10Recount/ (LazySync.lua Recount.lua): |
| 16:06.31 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 16:06.32 | CIA-9 | - Added version comm code and cleaned up rest some more. Lazy syncing is now on by default (because it the vast majority of cases it won't do anything anyway). |
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| 16:11.21 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r65246 10Recount/Recount.lua: |
| 16:11.21 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 16:11.21 | CIA-9 | - Removed legacy sync call. |
| 16:13.18 | Chompers | Prat.lua:2220: AceLocale-2.2: Bad argument #2 to `?' (string expected, got nil) |
| 16:13.39 | Chompers | AceLibrary.lua:122: in function <Interface\AddOns\Ace2\AceLibrary\AceLibrary.lua:75>(tail call): ?: |
| 16:13.55 | Chompers | this is a missing libary issue right? |
| 16:14.03 | SunTsu | Chompers: sylvanaar knows of it |
| 16:14.14 | Chompers | fair enough |
| 16:14.21 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r65247 10aX_RaidStatus/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:14.21 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus: |
| 16:14.22 | CIA-9 | - Removed for Upgrade. |
| 16:14.34 | Chompers | recently lots of libary files disabled them in my addon list, on idea why |
| 16:14.46 | Chompers | *themselves |
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| 16:16.18 | CIA-9 | 03zeksie * r65248 10ZOMGBuffs/ (11 files in 9 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 16:16.18 | CIA-9 | ZOMGBuffs: |
| 16:16.19 | CIA-9 | - New tick boxes in the raid popup list for single target raid buffs (Fear Ward, |
| 16:16.19 | CIA-9 | Amp/Damp Magic, Earth Shield, Unending Breath etc.) The checkboxes will show |
| 16:16.19 | CIA-9 | only for spells enabled in the BuffTehRaid module. Newly selected single target |
| 16:16.20 | CIA-9 | spells will default everyone to ON. You can toggle single players, toggle groups |
| 16:16.22 | CIA-9 | with Shift-LeftButton, toggle classes with Alt-LeftButton, or toggle everyone |
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| 16:17.15 | Kazie | Anyone know how to color the border of a panel with KgPanels?? |
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| 16:22.27 | Firelemming | hi all |
| 16:22.49 | Firelemming | anybody knows a addon that shows itemid's in the tooltip? |
| 16:22.57 | Zeksie | RatingBuster |
| 16:23.09 | Apoco | ^ |
| 16:23.12 | Firelemming | cool |
| 16:23.38 | Kazie | Anyone know how to color the border of a panel with KgPanels?? |
| 16:23.54 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r65249 10aX_RaidStatus/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:23.54 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus(Ace3): |
| 16:23.54 | CIA-9 | - Initial Commit of Ace3 Version from Branches |
| 16:23.54 | CIA-9 | - New Features: Ability to Create Custom Bars, New Offline Status, New Config Menu, and more! |
| 16:24.17 | Apoco | God thats annoying everytime I commit something my irc window flashes |
| 16:24.18 | Apoco | :( |
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| 16:26.10 | DJNW | by any chance, is anyone else getting errors from prat about the PlayerNames module being missing? |
| 16:26.58 | Kazie | Update it |
| 16:27.03 | Kazie | It was fixed today |
| 16:27.10 | Kazie | although i did not get the error my self |
| 16:27.14 | SunTsu | DJNW: Fixed some few minutes ago |
| 16:27.22 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r65250 10aX_RaidStatusConfig/ (. RaidStatusConfig.lua aX_RaidStatusConfig.toc embeds.xml): |
| 16:27.22 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatusConfig: |
| 16:27.22 | CIA-9 | - Initial Commit from Branches |
| 16:27.35 | Kazie | Anyone know some panel addons besides KgPanel? |
| 16:27.54 | Apoco | eePanels? |
| 16:27.55 | nevcairiel | whats wrong with kg? |
| 16:28.03 | Kazie | I can't change the border color :) |
| 16:28.12 | nevcairiel | why not? |
| 16:28.14 | Kazie | Apoco: KgPanels is the successor of eePanels |
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| 16:28.38 | Kazie | nevcairiel: there's no option for it.. only some poor drop down to change look, dialog, default or none :s |
| 16:28.42 | Apoco | yeah I know Kazie |
| 16:28.51 | nevcairiel | just ask kagaro to add a option to change the border color |
| 16:29.02 | Apoco | I see an option to change border color |
| 16:29.11 | Apoco | next to background blending |
| 16:29.12 | Apoco | >_> |
| 16:29.24 | Kazie | in KgPanels?.. cuz i don't :s |
| 16:29.27 | Apoco | yes. |
| 16:29.36 | Apoco | want me to ss? lol |
| 16:30.11 | Kazie | ss or it didn't happen? ;) .. |
| 16:30.16 | Apoco | omfg |
| 16:30.19 | Apoco | 1 sec |
| 16:30.23 | Kazie | Naah.. i'm okay.. logging in again hehe to check |
| 16:30.32 | Apoco | nono its already done |
| 16:30.38 | Apoco | I already lost my externals copy :p |
| 16:30.39 | Kazie | lol mate ^^ |
| 16:31.28 | Apoco | www.assimx.net/kgpanelsbordercolor.jpg |
| 16:31.35 | Kazie | Ye ye .. i found it lol |
| 16:31.59 | Kazie | hmm |
| 16:32.06 | Apoco | SO YES it exists |
| 16:32.06 | Apoco | :) |
| 16:32.11 | Kazie | What's the addon DPS ALIVe and shit at your left side of your screen? |
| 16:32.17 | Apoco | aX_RaidStatus |
| 16:32.18 | Apoco | :) |
| 16:32.22 | Kazie | ahh |
| 16:32.30 | Kazie | Seems useful.. if you're healer or raidleader :P |
| 16:32.33 | Apoco | replaces XRS |
| 16:32.54 | Apoco | well, I wrote it originally because I started my own guild in december and I wanted it for raids |
| 16:32.56 | Apoco | and XRS sucked |
| 16:32.58 | Kazie | XRS? |
| 16:33.11 | Apoco | its an older version of it that only filters by group/class |
| 16:33.15 | Apoco | not by class/name |
| 16:33.18 | Kazie | Ahh |
| 16:33.26 | Apoco | so a SP in a healer group (common) would be counted as a healer |
| 16:33.28 | Kazie | hmm |
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| 16:33.39 | Kazie | Yea that was my thought |
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| 16:33.48 | Kazie | How does if filter out the retri/prot paladins and such |
| 16:33.51 | Kazie | ^^ |
| 16:33.51 | Apoco | but now I just update it because people use it lol, my guild died |
| 16:33.59 | Apoco | You can set names as DPS, Healers, or tanks |
| 16:34.13 | Apoco | and it has a talent detection feature that can scan the raid for talents and auto-add them |
| 16:34.17 | Kazie | Ahh nice.. |
| 16:34.28 | Kazie | Very nice |
| 16:34.33 | Apoco | if the name isnt on the dps, healing, or tanking list, it defaults by class |
| 16:34.57 | Apoco | hunter, mage, rogue, warlock are dps;; druids, shamans, priests, pallys, are healers;;; warriors are tanks |
| 16:35.21 | Kazie | hmm |
| 16:35.36 | Kazie | Do you have a problem with KgPanels that it resizes panels on relog? |
| 16:36.25 | Erica | Hi... I still use eepanels until more time has passed for more bugs to be worked out |
| 16:36.51 | Kazie | I did consider switching back to eePanels ye |
| 16:37.03 | Erica | I tried kgpanels and went back for now |
| 16:37.07 | Kazie | But i figured i might as well get used to KgPanels |
| 16:37.33 | Erica | Probably better to still wait a bit imo |
| 16:37.41 | Erica | unless you like testing |
| 16:37.44 | Apoco | I have no problems with eePanels honestly |
| 16:38.05 | Erica | yeah works great |
| 16:38.22 | Kazie | eePanels works perfectly yes |
| 16:38.43 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r65251 10aX_RaidStatusConfig/: |
| 16:38.43 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatusConfig: |
| 16:38.43 | CIA-9 | -- Added Externals |
| 16:38.44 | Kazie | Does eePanel border and background share opacity btw? |
| 16:38.53 | Apoco | don't believe so. |
| 16:38.59 | Erica | no they're set separately |
| 16:39.05 | Kazie | Cuz it does in KgPAnel as far as i can tell :s |
| 16:39.15 | Erica | that would drive me crazy |
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| 16:39.28 | Apoco | no it doesn't, there is an alpha bar for each color |
| 16:39.41 | Fisker- | can you still avoid shadowflame when nef enters phase 2? |
| 16:39.51 | Apoco | afaik yes |
| 16:40.21 | Kazie | Ye i |
| 16:40.25 | Kazie | I'm really messing up here |
| 16:40.27 | Ellipsis | yeah you can |
| 16:40.31 | Fisker- | where? |
| 16:40.50 | Kazie | but .. i can't make my border be 100% visual :s it's very low opacity :s |
| 16:40.58 | Apoco | 1 sec |
| 16:41.24 | Ellipsis | Fisker-: in the corner behind the throne |
| 16:41.42 | Fisker- | that was fixed like ages ago? |
| 16:41.42 | CIA-9 | 03whyv * r65252 10Recount/ (Recount.toc locales/Recount-zhTW.lua): |
| 16:41.42 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 16:41.42 | CIA-9 | - update zhTW fully(i hope) |
| 16:41.42 | nevcairiel | exploitz! /me reports Fisker- |
| 16:41.53 | Erica | lol |
| 16:42.15 | Kazie | Ahh.. it was my border texture.. it somehow changed from solid to some stupid name one after i installed SharedMedia |
| 16:42.16 | Ellipsis | Fisker-: I dunno, I've done it post-TBC |
| 16:42.25 | Erica | Safety Kitten says, "It's good to be safe" :P |
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| 16:42.53 | Fisker- | where is this corner |
| 16:42.58 | Fisker- | just anywhere around the throne or? |
| 16:43.14 | DJNW | I have some bad news.. I've got as far as blowing prat away and installing fresh from the site (65244, 39 mins old), and it's still throwing errors... |
| 16:43.26 | Erica | same dinw |
| 16:43.37 | Erica | I think it's from the player names module |
| 16:43.52 | Ellipsis | Fisker-: behind the throne, get as far into the back right corner as you can |
| 16:43.58 | DJNW | want the cut+paste from bugback? |
| 16:43.59 | Ellipsis | I usually jump up onto the wall to be safe |
| 16:44.20 | DJNW | erm..bugsack, even |
| 16:44.34 | Erica | Hmmm... is Sylvanaar on? |
| 16:45.14 | Erica | I think he/she was the last to make changes |
| 16:45.39 | Ellipsis | I thought he was only working on the 2.4 branch |
| 16:46.01 | Erica | The bugs didn't popup until those changes |
| 16:46.04 | nevcairiel | he merged that to live and everything broke : |
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| 16:46.12 | Ellipsis | oh, lulz |
| 16:48.58 | Apoco | I'm so glad I got that memory leak in my mod fixed |
| 16:49.08 | Apoco | in combat it was jumping from 280kb to around 15-20 megs |
| 16:49.08 | Apoco | -_- |
| 16:49.15 | Erica | Which mod? pardon my ignorance |
| 16:49.21 | Apoco | aX_RaidStauts |
| 16:49.23 | Apoco | Status* |
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| 16:49.30 | Erica | Oh kool |
| 16:49.43 | Olison | Apoco: you're the author of AXRS? |
| 16:49.46 | Apoco | Yes. |
| 16:49.53 | Olison | cool mod! :) |
| 16:49.56 | Apoco | ty |
| 16:49.58 | DJNW | hmmm.. am i right in thinking that "local BC = PRAT_LIBRARY(PRATLIB.CLASSTRANSLATIONS)" should be more like "local BC = PRAT_LIBRARY[PRATLIB.CLASSTRANSLATIONS] (something, else)", which is why there's an erro about a null argument? |
| 16:50.01 | Apoco | just updated the live version. |
| 16:50.17 | Apoco | you guys can finally customize your bars :p |
| 16:50.29 | Erica | I"ll have to give it a shot |
| 16:50.30 | Olison | \o/ |
| 16:50.44 | Erica | Can it do sorting by group? |
| 16:50.50 | Apoco | no |
| 16:50.53 | Apoco | why would you? |
| 16:50.53 | nevcairiel | hm i'm happy with XRS |
| 16:50.56 | nevcairiel | dont need anything else |
| 16:51.10 | Erica | I'm a hunter... I don't really care about much else |
| 16:51.13 | Apoco | same. |
| 16:51.16 | Apoco | lol |
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| 16:51.23 | Apoco | nevcairiel > why do you prefer xrs? |
| 16:51.34 | nevcairiel | i dont prefer it |
| 16:51.42 | nevcairiel | i just dont need something else |
| 16:51.42 | Apoco | considering you were a big part in making aXRS usable your opinion counts |
| 16:51.45 | nevcairiel | XRS does what i want |
| 16:51.57 | Apoco | what do you want? ^_^; |
| 16:51.59 | nevcairiel | and i never had a reason to change it :D |
| 16:52.16 | Apoco | bleh |
| 16:52.21 | Apoco | SP being counted as healers fails imo |
| 16:52.30 | nevcairiel | overall mana, death count, people with pvp active, and buff buttons |
| 16:52.40 | kagaro | Kazie: i post a reply to your script question |
| 16:52.40 | Apoco | I've never understood why pvp status mattered |
| 16:53.05 | Kazie | kagaro: Okay ty - I'll go check it out right away :) |
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| 16:53.13 | DJNW | Apoco: 'cos they're the numpties you have to mess about single-buffing? |
| 16:53.16 | nevcairiel | Apoco: buffing fails when not everyone has pvp active .. and auras dont work properly.. |
| 16:53.22 | DJNW | and avoid healing else you spread the flag around |
| 16:53.26 | Apoco | ah |
| 16:53.28 | Elsia | apoco: play on pve server with aggressive pvp guilds who camp outside raid instances to gank flagged people ;) |
| 16:53.50 | Apoco | I've never played PvE servers, couldnt stand not being able to pvp when I want too |
| 16:53.56 | Erica | It also matters for raid leaders like for Hyjal too right? |
| 16:54.02 | nevcairiel | oh and broadcasting which buffs are missing to the raid is what i need too |
| 16:54.29 | Apoco | nevcairiel > RaidBuffFu does that well imo |
| 16:54.41 | Cryect | How about just play on a PvP server ;) |
| 16:54.42 | DJNW | Oh, we can pvp whenever we want to - there's a perma-flagged guild on my server called <pve is for losers> |
| 16:54.46 | Cryect | no worry about that flag business |
| 16:55.01 | nevcairiel | i like the buff buttons in XRS for quick rebuffing and yelling at people, and i never noticed it using much memory or so, so i didnt really care :) |
| 16:55.01 | Erica | lol |
| 16:55.10 | Erica | I used to be on a pvp server... hate it really |
| 16:55.12 | DJNW | sadly, they're all shockingy bad... |
| 16:55.13 | Apoco | I do understand the flag checking though because of PvE servers, I've always been on a pvp server so we are always flagged |
| 16:55.13 | Ellipsis | Cryect: you mean gank-a-thon? :P |
| 16:55.27 | Apoco | so I'll add it in :( |
| 16:55.39 | Erica | From what I've seen, pvp means find someone at a disadvantage to gank |
| 16:55.46 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 16:55.53 | Ellipsis | cheap tactics ftl |
| 16:55.54 | Apoco | I actually rarely get ganked |
| 16:55.55 | nevcairiel | random pvp is ftl |
| 16:56.08 | Cryect | Ellipsis, if you get ganked then gank them back the only issue in WoW is PvP means jack shit |
| 16:56.10 | nevcairiel | i like to be able to choose when i pvp |
| 16:56.10 | Erica | I got ganked a lot |
| 16:56.19 | Apoco | it could be because of my pheonix, or my t6 or whatever, but yeah I prolly get ganked once a month, if that |
| 16:56.20 | Erica | I cried a lot too since it got so bad |
| 16:56.31 | Erica | I stopped having fun so I transferred |
| 16:56.43 | Cryect | But you rarely get ganked |
| 16:56.44 | Apoco | lol |
| 16:56.59 | Erica | I would get camped for days actually |
| 16:56.59 | Cryect | Once a month yeah casually leveling a character you might get ganked |
| 16:57.13 | Cryect | Heh did you piss some people off or something? |
| 16:57.18 | Erica | Nope |
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| 16:57.30 | Erica | they started a vendetta against girls that play wow |
| 16:57.46 | Cryect | Well then you pissed some people off :-p |
| 16:57.56 | Cryect | Because you're a girl and we know how horrible that is |
| 16:57.57 | Cryect | ! |
| 16:58.05 | Erica | :/ |
| 16:58.29 | Ellipsis | watch it Cryect |
| 16:58.33 | Ellipsis | you're outnumbered here |
| 16:58.40 | Cryect | gets ready to be ganked |
| 16:58.53 | Erica | what server are you on? lol |
| 16:58.54 | Apoco | I'll protect you Cryect |
| 16:58.55 | Cryect | Being outnumbered by girls sounds like a good thing though |
| 16:59.02 | Cryect | Oh good Apoco my protector |
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| 16:59.04 | Apoco | lol |
| 16:59.06 | Ellipsis | Cryect: it is, if you can afford it ;) |
| 16:59.24 | Apoco | psht money is no object if its good enough |
| 16:59.26 | DJNW | there's one problem with pvp servers.. if someone from your guild upsets someone from the other faction enough, you might be on the recieving end of a curfew you had nothing to do with |
| 16:59.49 | Cryect | Uh on Stormreaver at the moment, used to be dunemaul |
| 17:00.00 | Apoco | DJNW > that is part of the fun |
| 17:00.02 | Josh_Borke | wtf is going on |
| 17:00.06 | Erica | well for me... it's when all the mess was happening with that girl and D and T |
| 17:00.27 | Apoco | its a known fact most top end raiding guilds dont recruit females |
| 17:00.34 | Apoco | honestly, no offense, but they do tend to bring drama |
| 17:00.45 | Erica | I'm too old for drama |
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| 17:01.06 | Josh_Borke | no one is ever too old for drama |
| 17:01.08 | Apoco | I've seen numerious guilds break up because of the gm's 'girlfriend' or something like that |
| 17:01.10 | DJNW | if it's a 70's-only hardcore pvp/pve guild, perhaps, but for a social/casual guild with fresh players levelling who find themselves unable to play during their free time for something not their faut? |
| 17:01.18 | Cryect | and there is occasionally issues like last night I helped my GF camp some level 70's who were ganking in Tanaris (though lets say that fight wasn't very fair for them since I could take 3 them on by myself >_>) |
| 17:01.40 | Josh_Borke | aw, you should have told me cryect |
| 17:01.43 | Apoco | I don't pvp much, but when I want too, I want to be able too |
| 17:01.45 | Josh_Borke | i woulda come and help |
| 17:01.55 | Apoco | SOB |
| 17:01.59 | Erica | are most of you horde? |
| 17:02.01 | Apoco | I just fell outa my chair :( |
| 17:02.02 | Cryect | Josh_Borke, didn't really need help they kinda just died every time I found one of the rogues |
| 17:02.05 | Josh_Borke | alliance |
| 17:02.11 | Josh_Borke | i know |
| 17:02.11 | Apoco | I have an Alli 70 and 2 horde 70's |
| 17:02.13 | Apoco | all with t6 |
| 17:02.13 | Josh_Borke | but i need the honor! |
| 17:02.15 | Cryect | Horde is bad I know at getting ganked at places though |
| 17:02.17 | Cryect | haha |
| 17:02.24 | Josh_Borke | hate @ pvp |
| 17:02.26 | Apoco | I miss worldpvp |
| 17:02.26 | Cryect | I doubt the honor was worth it :-p |
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| 17:02.27 | DJNW | oh, there's plenty of pvp on a pve server, y'know. it's easy, go to southshore, kill the flight master. *voila*, instant wurld peeveepee |
| 17:02.30 | Cryect | let me check |
| 17:02.32 | Apoco | pre-battlegrounds |
| 17:02.49 | Apoco | wtb old pvp ranking system back |
| 17:02.55 | Apoco | give me something to do other than work on mods all day please. |
| 17:02.56 | Fisker- | lies and deceit Ellipsis |
| 17:03.00 | Ellipsis | your mom |
| 17:03.27 | Apoco | god, working on RBM is going to suck |
| 17:03.27 | Apoco | :( |
| 17:03.39 | Cryect | wtb PvP thats meaningful then again I wouldn't play WoW for PvP |
| 17:04.33 | DJNW | tried guild wars? faction-vs-faction in Cantha effects who can use which towns.. |
| 17:05.00 | Erica | That sounds kinda kool... at least it would mean something |
| 17:05.02 | Apoco | Cryect: where is my working recount2?! |
| 17:05.10 | nevcairiel | they should do something like that for WotlK |
| 17:05.27 | Erica | Maybe they will since they'll have stuff like seige weapons |
| 17:05.35 | Cryect | Josh_Borke, whooping 282 honor yesterday for like hour and half :-p |
| 17:05.40 | nevcairiel | one big town in one of the zones that you can control and your npcs spawn |
| 17:05.49 | Erica | oh yeah |
| 17:05.51 | DJNW | could be like EPL: winner gets a convenient town and flight point |
| 17:05.54 | Erica | that would be fun |
| 17:06.06 | Cryect | I prefer something like EVE for more what PvP should mean |
| 17:06.10 | Cryect | real control |
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| 17:06.22 | Erica | Are you a GM Cryect? |
| 17:06.33 | Cryect | no |
| 17:06.38 | NeoTron | he's just "special" |
| 17:06.42 | Erica | lol |
| 17:06.59 | Erica | I guess we're all "special" in our own ways |
| 17:07.03 | Cryect | I have little interest being a GM or Officer (used to be an officer of a few guilds) |
| 17:07.18 | xyu | yeah it's better to just skate by |
| 17:07.27 | Cryect | Apoco, Recount 2 kinda works! |
| 17:07.29 | Erica | I just want to have fun |
| 17:07.33 | Cryect | I mean it works fine no bugs etc |
| 17:07.34 | Apoco | not on live! |
| 17:07.43 | Cryect | well thats a blizzard bug ;) |
| 17:07.56 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r65253 10aX_RaidStatus/: |
| 17:07.57 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus(Ace3): |
| 17:07.57 | CIA-9 | - Typo |
| 17:07.57 | DJNW | oho.... is that the ridleybank xyu? |
| 17:08.10 | Apoco | blizzard bug!? bah |
| 17:08.24 | Cryect | yeah they have the wrong server version installed ;) |
| 17:08.58 | Apoco | GRRR |
| 17:09.01 | Erica | I have a mod question... anyone know of a lightweight chat mod that can resize windows and copy text? |
| 17:09.03 | Apoco | damn extenals |
| 17:09.06 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r65254 10aX_RaidStatus/: |
| 17:09.06 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus(Ace3): |
| 17:09.06 | CIA-9 | - typo x2 |
| 17:09.11 | dylanm | Resize windows? |
| 17:09.17 | Erica | chat windows |
| 17:09.22 | Apoco | Default UI? |
| 17:09.28 | Erica | I can't make it small enough |
| 17:09.40 | Apoco | wtf? |
| 17:09.41 | Erica | otherwise I would |
| 17:10.13 | Erica | I like lots of buttons centered on the bottom |
| 17:10.35 | Erica | it doesn't leave enough room to bring the chat window down on the side with the default ui |
| 17:10.44 | ulic | yea, default windows have a minimum size, that isn't small enough for many folks. |
| 17:11.04 | Erica | I keep going back to prat basically for those 2 functions |
| 17:11.21 | Erica | seems like overkill to me |
| 17:11.36 | ulic | I'm sure you could write one just for you and borrow the windows size stuff from prat. |
| 17:12.06 | Erica | Right now, still trying to figure out how to get cycircled working with bongos 3 |
| 17:12.19 | dylanm | Try just running some sizing commands on them? |
| 17:12.26 | dylanm | It should still save, right? Unless they check for that. |
| 17:13.10 | Erica | I'm not sure myself |
| 17:13.52 | Erica | maybe there is a min size hardcoded somewhere I could change |
| 17:14.07 | dylanm | cf:SetMinResize |
| 17:14.34 | Erica | does that need a parameter or will that make it infinite? |
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| 17:15.20 | Apoco | as long as cyCircled works with Nurfed its perfect imo |
| 17:15.44 | Erica | lol... what about the rest of us |
| 17:15.51 | Apoco | switch to Nurfed! |
| 17:15.52 | dylanm | Erica: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_SetMinResize |
| 17:15.59 | dylanm | Nurfed is still pretty great. |
| 17:16.16 | Apoco | Nurfed is Amazing |
| 17:16.21 | Apoco | wait until you get the frames editor |
| 17:16.23 | Erica | Oh wow... that's awesome Dylanm |
| 17:16.24 | Apoco | its almost done |
| 17:16.25 | Erica | Thanks |
| 17:16.26 | Apoco | lol |
| 17:16.47 | Apoco | I think we'll have it done by 2.4 |
| 17:16.48 | Apoco | not sure though |
| 17:16.53 | ulic | dylanm: yea I just found that too, pretty easy to do, not sure how it might or might not work when you restart the game. |
| 17:16.56 | Erica | I'll try it |
| 17:17.30 | dylanm | ulic: My feeling is that it just constrains things when you're resizing. Once you have the values set it could be fine forever. |
| 17:17.48 | ulic | dylanm: yea probably. |
| 17:17.59 | Erica | I imagine you'd have to run it again once you relog and want to resize again though? |
| 17:18.25 | ulic | Erica: if you made it bigger, then you probably couldn't make it smaller again, without resetting it. |
| 17:18.29 | Erica | I'll just throw it in a macro so I won't forget it |
| 17:18.40 | ulic | but that's easy, just make a little dummy addon or macro that runs that command. |
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| 17:18.49 | Erica | now what about copying text? Yes :) |
| 17:18.59 | dylanm | Apoco: Oh you work on that? Sweet. |
| 17:19.09 | Apoco | I'm assisting |
| 17:19.13 | Apoco | its in noway my creation |
| 17:19.17 | Apoco | Tivs is just insanely busy |
| 17:19.20 | watchout | !name watchoutX |
| 17:19.22 | watchout | ouch |
| 17:19.31 | dylanm | Xl will love you. |
| 17:19.34 | watchout | how's the damn command to change the nick again? |
| 17:19.44 | Apoco | ./nick |
| 17:19.54 | watchoutX | ah ty |
| 17:20.05 | Apoco | i think /name works too |
| 17:20.07 | Apoco | not sure |
| 17:20.19 | watchoutX | somehow I thought it was ! that started commands |
| 17:20.47 | Apoco | thats for bot commands |
| 17:20.49 | Apoco | !google rwar |
| 17:20.50 | home|prophy | anyone use Arena Unit Frames 2.1? how do u make the window larger.. |
| 17:20.54 | Apoco | well, typically |
| 17:21.25 | dylanm | I've never even heard of that addon. |
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| 17:24.30 | watchoutX | oh, got a question: does anyone actively develop for statlogic? ace wiki says the addon page was unclaimed |
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| 17:25.09 | dylanm | Whitetooth keeps it updated as far as I know. |
| 17:25.19 | dylanm | He's not on IRC a whole bunch. |
| 17:25.52 | watchoutX | I see |
| 17:27.02 | dylanm | I'd like to make something like it but gathering all the data... eck. |
| 17:27.34 | watchoutX | well the data is there - it's in statlogic ;) |
| 17:27.43 | watchoutX | but memory footprint is really poor |
| 17:27.53 | dylanm | Well I'd like to not be reliant on that for numbers. |
| 17:28.31 | watchoutX | depends on the numbers you need, but the basic "getsum" does not do any calculations |
| 17:28.36 | CIA-9 | 03pachelbel * r65255 10MoBuffs/ (11 files): |
| 17:28.36 | CIA-9 | MoBuffs: |
| 17:28.36 | CIA-9 | - fully localized (need translators to complete templates) |
| 17:28.36 | CIA-9 | - hopefully fixed adamantite weapon buffs |
| 17:28.36 | CIA-9 | - added 3 missing Flask buffs |
| 17:28.40 | dylanm | I think if I could get a reliable way to get all the requisite data points from Armory profiles that'd be ideal. |
| 17:29.16 | watchoutX | you mean using the wow armory for datamining? :) |
| 17:29.41 | Zeksie | wtb SetBlendMode("MONOCHROME") |
| 17:29.53 | watchoutX | huh? |
| 17:30.19 | CIA-9 | 03pachelbel * r65256 10MoBuffs/MoBuffs.toc: |
| 17:30.19 | CIA-9 | MoBuffs: |
| 17:30.19 | CIA-9 | - bumped TOC in prep for release |
| 17:31.34 | kagaro | Zeksie: I think you want a color model not a blend mode |
| 17:31.45 | Zeksie | i want to greyscale a texture |
| 17:32.03 | kagaro | then just make one |
| 17:32.41 | Zeksie | that's why i want the blend mode... would save a lot of us a lot of work creating duplicate textures that are just grey versions of another |
| 17:32.54 | Zeksie | the engine can already do it, when you drag an item it goes grey |
| 17:33.02 | Zeksie | you can bet they don't have 2 textures for every item |
| 17:33.12 | watchoutX | hmm, you can color textures |
| 17:33.19 | Zeksie | colour yes, not grey out |
| 17:33.29 | watchoutX | well use grey as color? |
| 17:33.31 | kagaro | ~SetVertexColor |
| 17:33.37 | Zeksie | it just makes it darker, but still coloured |
| 17:33.48 | Kazie | kagaro: I tried out the scripts and they work great - The only problem is that i cannot modify the width/Hight values after applying the scripts. The first one i could adjust by addin +xx into the script but the meta_socialchat panel i can't adjust after applying the script :S |
| 17:34.37 | kagaro | well the script is doing what you are asking it to do, ie. ignore your size entries and use the other frame for that info. if you want to adjust it , you need to adjust int he script |
| 17:34.39 | watchoutX | Zeksie, well then... don't know :) |
| 17:34.50 | Zeksie | SetVertexColour just sets the percentages of each colour channel. so if you use 0.5, 0.5, 0.5 as values, you get half of each R, G, B channel, which are still coloured, but dark |
| 17:35.12 | Zeksie | yeah... hence my initial comment. wtb new blend mode ;) |
| 17:35.34 | kagaro | there are 5 blend modes, did you try them all |
| 17:35.35 | CIA-9 | 03wobin * r65257 10Xparky/ (Bar.lua Xparky.lua): |
| 17:35.36 | CIA-9 | Xparky - Finally fixed textures by hardcoding it |
| 17:35.36 | CIA-9 | - Rotation now works, and spark is better fitted |
| 17:35.36 | CIA-9 | - All that's left is the bar generation code |
| 17:35.38 | Zeksie | has blend, add, mod, alphakey, disable... but no mono |
| 17:35.43 | watchoutX | well is there a method to retrieve the color? |
| 17:36.13 | Kazie | kagaro: I'm trying to adjust in the script, but it seem to ignore "....GetWidth() +15)" and the other 3 GetWidth())/GetHight()) |
| 17:36.23 | Wobin | Zeksie: what about desaturate? |
| 17:36.43 | Zeksie | throws error. and isn't in wow.exe i think |
| 17:37.06 | kagaro | pm me your script |
| 17:38.27 | Kazie | hmm it says that i got blocked :o |
| 17:38.43 | Grum | use ace.pastey.net |
| 17:38.46 | Kazie | http://ace.pastey.net/84189 |
| 17:38.47 | kagaro | Texture:SetDesaturated(flag) |
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| 17:38.56 | Kazie | I did ^^ .. but he asked me to pm him ..:) |
| 17:39.09 | Wobin | Zeksie: Kinda works for me |
| 17:39.15 | sylvanaar | hey did that prat problem get resolved? |
| 17:39.26 | Wobin | Zeksie: in that it doesn't crash =) and sets a grayscale |
| 17:39.51 | Wobin | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Texture_SetDesaturated |
| 17:39.53 | kagaro | Kazie: your script is fine, try reloading your ui, so the OnLoad gets called again, since the script only executes if it hasnt alredy run |
| 17:40.33 | Kazie | kagaro: I just mistakenly removed the script.. so i copy/pasted the one i just gave you.. and now it works.. there must have been a space somewhere that wasn't surposed to be there |
| 17:40.43 | kagaro | k |
| 17:40.55 | Josh_Borke | Cryect: lol |
| 17:41.03 | Kazie | kagaro: Btw. how come the script editing boxes are so small, when the window is so big? :) |
| 17:41.36 | kagaro | cause i cant change the size |
| 17:42.34 | Kazie | Ahh |
| 17:42.43 | CIA-9 | 03neotron * r65258 10MagicMarker/MagicMarker.lua: |
| 17:42.43 | CIA-9 | MagicMarker: |
| 17:42.43 | CIA-9 | - Fixed issue with marking (CC counts off) |
| 17:42.43 | CIA-9 | - Ignore totems. |
| 17:42.43 | CIA-9 | - MagicMarker:SetFakeRaidMakeUp(hash) added to allow you to set a fake raid memberlist { MAGE = 1, [...] } |
| 17:44.08 | kagaro | it will get updated later im waiting on a change to go to trunk |
| 17:45.18 | CIA-9 | 03sylvanaar 072.4 * r65259 10Prat/extras/Frameworks.lua: Prat: Reverted removal of CLASSTRANSLATIONS library reference |
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| 17:47.02 | Kazie | How come my Bartender panel is resizing to like 5x5 pixels everytime the UI is reloaded? .. the values are correct and if i just select the values and press enter once it's as it should be. |
| 17:49.56 | Zeksie | Wobin: Specifically what works. cos i tried DESATURATE and it just said invalid blend mode. |
| 17:50.09 | Wobin | er |
| 17:50.13 | Wobin | did you look at that link? |
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| 17:52.38 | kagaro | Zeksie: i dont think he checked te link wobin |
| 17:54.00 | Zeksie | ooh.. not a blend mode.. goes to look |
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| 17:55.36 | Zeksie | lovely. thanks :) |
| 17:56.46 | SunTsu | Dang, missed sylvanaar |
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| 17:58.29 | CIA-9 | 03pettigrow 072.4 * r65260 10Omen/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Omen: frFR Update |
| 17:59.37 | CIA-9 | 03vangual * r65261 10PitBull/TotemTimers/TotemTimers.lua: |
| 17:59.37 | CIA-9 | PitBull |
| 17:59.37 | CIA-9 | - many fixes, improvements and new features for the totemtimers module (see wowace forum post) |
| 17:59.37 | CIA-9 | - added german locale |
| 18:00.32 | Vangual | anyone with enough rights to modify .bat and .sh files on svn around? |
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| 18:06.20 | CIA-9 | 03stan 072.4 * r65262 10Omen/Localization/deDE.lua: deDE update |
| 18:09.58 | CIA-9 | 03dodge * r65263 10CoolDownButtons/ (CoolDownButtons.toc config.lua core.lua): |
| 18:09.58 | CIA-9 | CoolDownButtons: |
| 18:09.58 | CIA-9 | - fixed nil value error |
| 18:09.58 | CIA-9 | - fixed timed cooldowns color for <5 sec |
| 18:09.58 | CIA-9 | - fixed bug in "Enable OmniCC settings" |
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| 18:15.51 | Hjalte | Oh, something broke Prats name colour feature :( |
| 18:15.59 | SunTsu | Hjalte: Ans more than that |
| 18:16.05 | SunTsu | s/Ans/And |
| 18:16.39 | masanbol | random question about pitbull if anyone who knows is listening: is it possible to disable LoD for certain modules? every time i mount and my pet dissapears (along with my petbar) i get 1-2 seconds of interface lag while it disables the petbar |
| 18:16.45 | SunTsu | PlayerModules ist broken, too, which breaks Altnames |
| 18:17.03 | Ellipsis | masanbol: that's probably just the parser bug |
| 18:17.20 | Ellipsis | lag spike when pets spawn/despawn usually is |
| 18:17.26 | masanbol | it's done it for a long time, anything i can do to fix it? |
| 18:17.35 | Ellipsis | wait til 2.4 and it will disappear |
| 18:17.41 | masanbol | alright |
| 18:17.44 | masanbol | thanks much |
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| 18:22.10 | [SW]Dodge | anyone knows away to check what var uses how much memory? |
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| 18:23.40 | dodga | hm, can I disable that possession bar in bartender3 and get the pet bar instead? |
| 18:24.45 | mno | somebody here with ace2 experience: I need to execute a slash command from my plugin, but I just don't get it, how to do this properly with ace2 |
| 18:24.56 | kenlyric | dodga: the pet bar doesn't go away |
| 18:25.53 | dodga | kenlyric: Hm no I meant I don't want the action bar 1 to be the possession bar but the pet bar should have the abilities of the possessed unit |
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| 18:26.15 | kenlyric | dodga: yes |
| 18:26.22 | kenlyric | that's what the pet bar is |
| 18:26.38 | kenlyric | unless nev changed it again |
| 18:26.50 | dodga | Well, then why does my action bar 1 change if I mind-control somebody :> |
| 18:27.03 | kenlyric | because that's what it's supposed to do? |
| 18:27.09 | kenlyric | the pet bar should still be there as well |
| 18:27.34 | nevcairiel | there is a option to disable the bar1 change now, though |
| 18:27.56 | kenlyric | oh, you gave in? did you at least make a snide comment in the commit? :) |
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| 18:28.04 | [SW]Dodge | anyone got a Lua Reference (not pil) |
| 18:28.31 | dodga | hm I see |
| 18:28.41 | dodga | actually that's pretty cool, that any bar can be the possess bar now |
| 18:28.41 | kenlyric | oh hey, the default bars actually do get rid of the pet bar? |
| 18:28.45 | kenlyric | "When you are possessing a target (Priest Mind Control, Eyes of the Beast, using a Steam Tonk, etc), you now get their action bar as your primary action bar rather than having a mini action bar above your normal action bar." |
| 18:28.57 | sag_ich_nicht | ~asktoask |
| 18:28.58 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 18:29.01 | kenlyric | I thought it gave both |
| 18:29.19 | kenlyric | who asked to ask? |
| 18:29.32 | kenlyric | bot abuse is a serious offense |
| 18:31.33 | phyber | if a person has released, and you have a [target=mouseover] macro for your res spell as a healer, you can res them by mousing over their unitframe, right? |
| 18:32.53 | Kaaosa | I don't think so. |
| 18:34.02 | Ellipsis | no, because their ghost is out of range |
| 18:34.14 | Ellipsis | you have to find their corpse |
| 18:36.46 | mno | If you want to execute a slash command from your plugin, would you use AceComm-2.0 or AceConsole-2.0? |
| 18:37.17 | Arrowmaster | neither |
| 18:37.31 | mno | so what library/function would you use? |
| 18:37.34 | Arrowmaster | none |
| 18:37.40 | Arrowmaster | there is no library to do it |
| 18:37.45 | Kaaosa | You use sorcery. |
| 18:38.01 | Ellipsis | if you're trying to execute a slash command in your code then you're doing it wrong |
| 18:38.05 | Kaaosa | Draw your magic circle and chant the proper spell. |
| 18:38.06 | phyber | Ellipsis: wow, that's stupid. |
| 18:38.14 | Ellipsis | phyber: I agree |
| 18:38.48 | mno | Nope, I don't think your right Ellipsis, I just want to start a plugins function which is NOT an Ace plugin |
| 18:38.49 | Vangual | must.. not... move out of the circle... |
| 18:38.56 | phyber | I kept forgetting to not release in Hyjal just now when dying udner the bodies, so healers were shouting at me for it. |
| 18:39.01 | Arrowmaster | phyber: have you done anything reguarding topscorefu and 2.4? because i was kinda wanting to rewrite it and completely change the save format |
| 18:39.09 | phyber | tbh, i should shout at them for not healing when i'm slowly dying to hellfire :p |
| 18:39.15 | Ellipsis | mno: then call the function that the slash command would normally execute |
| 18:39.29 | phyber | Arrowmaster: nope, haven't done anything. I thought the combatlog parsing libraries under it would change so i didn't have to ;) |
| 18:39.46 | Arrowmaster | phyber: nope the combatlog parsing libraries are dead |
| 18:39.57 | phyber | everyone parses their own things now? |
| 18:40.10 | mno | Ellipsis: but this would mean I would have to track all the time the code of this plugin, if ever the author changes this function |
| 18:40.11 | phyber | well, not parses, registers |
| 18:40.23 | Arrowmaster | remarks have been made that anybody that bumps a toc version for any of the 3 parserlibs gets a swift svn ban |
| 18:40.31 | phyber | well, i didn't do anything at all. so if you want to start doing things, feel free :) |
| 18:40.31 | Arrowmaster | although i doubt that would happen |
| 18:41.16 | Arrowmaster | yeah i hate topscorefu's save format and want to completely change it |
| 18:42.19 | Ozguli | Feature request for Grid_raiddebuffs or whatever it was.. It'd be awesome to see who has conflaguration |
| 18:42.43 | Vangual | does topscorefu have any self (de)buff tracking nowadays? I remember some bossfights messing up heal records |
| 18:42.52 | Arrowmaster | nope |
| 18:43.03 | phyber | it just totally skips some mobs |
| 18:43.18 | phyber | VULNERABLE_MOBS and VULNERABLE_BOSSES lists, iirc. |
| 18:43.23 | Arrowmaster | wtb way to get spellid from buffs/debuffs |
| 18:43.34 | Vangual | which is a bit useless if you're under the influence by the mobs (de)buffs and heal other :( |
| 18:43.57 | CIA-9 | 03jncl * r65264 10Skinner/AddonSkins/Chinchilla.lua: Skinner: Bugfix for Chinchilla skin |
| 18:44.06 | omega | is ace3 stable now? |
| 18:44.11 | Arrowmaster | its beta |
| 18:44.23 | Arrowmaster | if you consider beta to be stable then sure |
| 18:44.29 | Cryect | Its feature stable |
| 18:44.31 | omega | but its the version in /trunk/ that is the "current" one? |
| 18:44.42 | Arrowmaster | trunk is beta |
| 18:44.47 | [SW]Dodge | anyone knows away to check how much memory a variable is using? |
| 18:44.58 | omega | ok, thanks |
| 18:45.01 | Arrowmaster | [SW]Dodge: not possible |
| 18:45.10 | Cryect | Yeah, you can't do that without the c commands |
| 18:45.39 | [SW]Dodge | damn ;( |
| 18:45.53 | [SW]Dodge | would like to look where i maybe can decrease memory usage ^.^ |
| 18:46.00 | Cryect | Use Expo |
| 18:46.08 | Cryect | and you can see which functions generate your memory |
| 18:46.15 | [SW]Dodge | expo? |
| 18:46.27 | Cryect | Its on the SVN, lets you profile an addon |
| 18:46.48 | [SW]Dodge | ok ill try it :) |
| 18:46.57 | Cryect | hooks all the functions of a namespace and tracks calls, time, and memory usage per function |
| 18:47.00 | mno | Ellipsis: Thanks, it works. Will have to have an eye on the code so. |
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| 18:48.58 | [SW]Dodge | Message: ..\AddOns\Prat_Modules\modules\AltNames.lua line 667: AceModuleCore-2.0: Cannot find module "PlayerNames" <- after prat update ~.~ |
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| 18:51.59 | SunTsu | [SW]Dodge: Is known |
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| 18:53.05 | FireAllianceNX | What controls the font in Pitbull? SharedMedia? |
| 18:53.23 | Ellipsis | ywa |
| 18:53.25 | Ellipsis | yes* |
| 18:53.56 | [SW]Dodge | Cryect: how to use expo? where can i see the memory usage etc? |
| 18:54.11 | [SW]Dodge | there is no /expo |
| 18:54.27 | FireAllianceNX | where can I ask to get ABF font back into SharedMedia? |
| 18:55.23 | ckknight | FireAllianceNX: get the SharedMedia addon |
| 18:55.42 | FireAllianceNX | there's one apart from the Library itself? |
| 18:55.48 | Cryect | click on the fubar icon or minimap icon |
| 18:55.53 | Cryect | then click configure on profile |
| 18:55.57 | Cryect | then add namespace |
| 18:56.06 | Cryect | and add your addon's namespace |
| 18:56.07 | [SW]Dodge | a didnt see the fubar icon :) |
| 18:56.18 | ckknight | FireAllianceNX: yes |
| 18:56.33 | FireAllianceNX | ckknight: thanks |
| 18:57.29 | FireAllianceNX | oh sweet, a gazillion fonts to choose from :D |
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| 19:02.21 | FireAllianceNX | oops |
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| 19:03.32 | [SW]Dodge | hm, http://i26.tinypic.com/2lc4lsi.jpg i think that are not bad statistics. what do you think? |
| 19:04.37 | [SW]Dodge | well SetUpTestModeFakeCDS uses alot of memory but it needs to be called manually and is just for testing a layout |
| 19:06.13 | Cryect | memory usage looks fine |
| 19:06.28 | Hobby | Is there a good ace boss debuff timer? one that would show the your debuffs on your target/focus/whatever, e.g. when curse of elements goes down, scorch, etc |
| 19:06.29 | ckknight | ~seen guillotine |
| 19:06.30 | purl | guillotine <n=Guilloti@cpe-76-167-213-238.socal.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 11h 10m 30s ago, saying: 'We have to have a PTR party on Sunday or Monday :D Spend all our money to buy fireworks and such'. |
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| 19:09.38 | [SW]Dodge | but then is the question why i'm at 400kb memory by default :/ |
| 19:09.57 | Cryect | how much code and stored variable memory usage do you have? |
| 19:09.59 | [SW]Dodge | maybe becouse i'm using "ActionButtonTemplate" ? |
| 19:10.15 | Cryect | thats where the memory starts off on |
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| 19:10.50 | [SW]Dodge | my sv file is 9kb |
| 19:11.08 | Cryect | then its your code? |
| 19:11.22 | Cryect | you running with embedded libraries? |
| 19:11.32 | [SW]Dodge | yeah |
| 19:11.49 | [SW]Dodge | ace3 LSM and lpt |
| 19:11.53 | Cryect | Then you get attributed all that memory usage |
| 19:11.59 | [SW]Dodge | ah.. ok |
| 19:12.03 | Cryect | Ace3 is the big one of those |
| 19:12.07 | Cryect | LSM uses like nothing |
| 19:12.13 | Cryect | oh and LPT of course uses a bunch |
| 19:12.35 | Cryect | unless some other addon loads them up first then they will be removed on first GC then |
| 19:12.39 | [SW]Dodge | of lpt i'm just using the base file, no data |
| 19:12.45 | Cryect | oh okay |
| 19:12.49 | Josh_Borke | lpt? |
| 19:12.53 | Cryect | Periodic Table |
| 19:12.54 | [SW]Dodge | i'm using own data sets |
| 19:13.19 | Arrowmaster | you cant do any kinda proper profiling with embeded libs |
| 19:13.26 | dylanm | [SW]Dodge: What are you using to get that table? |
| 19:13.29 | Cryect | well you can with Expo |
| 19:13.31 | [SW]Dodge | well, but its nice to know that i'm not wasting memory :) |
| 19:13.38 | Cryect | but not using the builtin Blizzard stuf |
| 19:13.41 | [SW]Dodge | dylanm: hm? |
| 19:13.53 | Cryect | dylanm, Thats expo |
| 19:13.54 | dylanm | The screenshot, with the profiling. |
| 19:14.06 | [SW]Dodge | ah, its expo |
| 19:14.13 | [SW]Dodge | like Cryect says |
| 19:14.23 | dylanm | Neato. |
| 19:14.52 | Cryect | has a few issues and not best usability wise but shrug don't need much really for profiling :-p |
| 19:15.27 | nevcairiel | Expo fails with LoD addons |
| 19:15.49 | Cryect | No it doesn't if you add the namespace after its loaded |
| 19:16.09 | nevcairiel | i once tried to profile a LoD addon, added the namespace, did some changes to the code, did reloadui to activate it, addonloader loaded the addon on "delayed" mode, and expo totally broke |
| 19:16.21 | Cryect | yeah... thats one of the bugs with expo |
| 19:16.26 | kenlyric | since someone is rewriting eepanels, someone should rewrite eeshards :) |
| 19:16.29 | Cryect | its not good at going hey this namespace doesn't exist |
| 19:16.50 | nevcairiel | it should just monitor addon_loaded and try to hook into namespaces that before couldnt be hooked |
| 19:17.11 | Cryect | tell jjsheets next time he's on |
| 19:17.37 | Cryect | he was looking for suggestions when I was talking about it with him (gave him some ideas for better profiling by tracking who calls what etc) |
| 19:18.27 | dylanm | I know Shadowed has some profiling thing maybe I'll try that too. |
| 19:19.30 | nevcairiel | OptionHouse only profiles full addon usage |
| 19:20.03 | Josh_Borke | ~lart nevcairielly |
| 19:20.03 | purl | rm -rf's nevcairielly |
| 19:20.20 | nevcairiel | ~borked |
| 19:20.20 | purl | somebody said borked was to have totally ****ed something up. Usually by doing something stupid. Specifically used to describe technology that is broken. The word is in reference to Robert Bork, a nominee to the Supreme Court who, despite being very qualified was not appointed to the court due to partisan reasons. |
| 19:20.29 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 19:20.33 | Josh_Borke | :-D |
| 19:20.35 | nevcairiel | i thought we had somethimg about you in there |
| 19:20.39 | Josh_Borke | we used to |
| 19:20.43 | Josh_Borke | but someone changed it |
| 19:20.46 | Cryect | Josh_Borke removed it in a whisper to purl |
| 19:20.50 | Josh_Borke | i did not! |
| 19:20.58 | Josh_Borke | ~emulate JoshBorke |
| 19:20.59 | purl | Someone peed in my cheerios! |
| 19:21.08 | Cryect | sorry that was me |
| 19:21.19 | Josh_Borke | you should see a doctor about that |
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| 19:25.52 | [SW]Dodge | is OnEnable() in an Ace3 addon called befor PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD is fired? |
| 19:26.30 | Josh_Borke | no |
| 19:26.33 | Josh_Borke | it's called PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 19:26.49 | Hobby | Is there a good ace boss debuff timer? one that would show the your debuffs on your target/focus/whatever, e.g. when curse of elements goes down, scorch, etc? |
| 19:27.21 | Josh_Borke | i use quartz to track my debuffs |
| 19:28.14 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r65265 10Recount2/GUI_List.lua: |
| 19:28.14 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 19:28.14 | CIA-9 | -Fixes a bug with sorting where keys might be a mixture of numbers and strings (some view groupings can result in a mixture of numbers and strings for keys) |
| 19:30.27 | mno | Do you have a link telling who should add a plugin to the ace-updater and how, or what WoW-Aceupdate is doing (I suppose, it just grabs svn, but do you have some cool docu about how it works exactly?)? |
| 19:31.01 | Josh_Borke | mno: it pulls from files.wowace.com |
| 19:32.47 | Cryect | Does anyone considering grouping/filtering by level for damage to be useful? |
| 19:33.00 | Cryect | or other similar stats |
| 19:33.07 | nevcairiel | by level? o.O |
| 19:33.25 | mno | and how do you contribute to files.wowace.com? I'm just to stupid to find a good link about this stuff on wowace.com |
| 19:33.47 | Jaxon | http://wowace.com/wiki/Category:SVN |
| 19:34.15 | Cryect | yeah trying to decide do I wish to store level on GUID's. My plan is to group all mobs of the same creature ID together on stats but... there is a level range then plus level ranges when people level as well |
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| 19:34.35 | Cryect | so just go with the first level I see or try to keep track of a range |
| 19:34.50 | nevcairiel | i dont think the level is of importance, really o.O |
| 19:34.57 | Cryect | well.... there kinda is |
| 19:35.04 | nevcairiel | but ya know, its recount, it tracks stuff like that =P |
| 19:35.08 | Cryect | maybe you only want to see what people damage against say lvl 73 |
| 19:35.20 | Cryect | Or you only wish to see 70+ |
| 19:35.22 | NeoTron | how can I know if a hash is empty in Lua? |
| 19:35.32 | Cryect | this eliminates tracking of random critters etc |
| 19:35.33 | NeoTron | I should say unordered |
| 19:35.34 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: if next(table) is nil |
| 19:35.37 | NeoTron | ok |
| 19:35.45 | Cryect | well it still tracks them of course but it filters them out |
| 19:35.58 | Cryect | or for some reason maybe you want to group damage by level |
| 19:36.02 | Cryect | Not sure why you want to do that |
| 19:36.06 | nevcairiel | can you even get the level of a critter? |
| 19:36.15 | nevcairiel | i mean from combatlog only |
| 19:36.15 | Cryect | yeah they are mainly lvl 5's |
| 19:36.23 | Cryect | no but if someone hit then someone targetted |
| 19:36.33 | nevcairiel | AoE maybe |
| 19:36.45 | nevcairiel | and target clears when the critter dies |
| 19:36.54 | nevcairiel | and they dont survive a hit =P |
| 19:36.55 | Cryect | target doesn't immediately clear |
| 19:37.03 | Cryect | target gets delayed to other players |
| 19:37.36 | [SW]Dodge | someone who knows when "AceEvent_FullyInitialized" is fired? (in ace2) |
| 19:37.53 | Cryect | when every ace2 addons has called OnInitialize? |
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| 19:38.05 | Arrowmaster | it fires after you join chat channels i think |
| 19:38.10 | Cryect | Ah |
| 19:38.21 | Arrowmaster | or atleast that was the original purpose for it |
| 19:38.59 | Josh_Borke | yes, that is correct |
| 19:39.03 | Cryect | nevcairiel, heh well if I track it by creature id it might make it through |
| 19:39.09 | Cryect | eventually! |
| 19:39.19 | Josh_Borke | (03:36:23 PM) Cryect: no but if someone hit then someone targetted <-- cleave, whirlwind? |
| 19:39.57 | Cryect | Josh_Borke, I should say most the times critters die its because someone decides to randomly attack them or aoeing (in which case it won't) |
| 19:40.11 | nevcairiel | cleaves Josh_Borke |
| 19:40.17 | [SW]Dodge | so it is fired after channel join on login/reloadui? |
| 19:40.39 | nevcairiel | personally, i wouldn't use AceEvent_FullyInitialized |
| 19:40.48 | nevcairiel | what do you need to do that you cannot do in OnEnable? |
| 19:41.15 | Josh_Borke | check out the channels obviously |
| 19:41.18 | Josh_Borke | super secret stuff |
| 19:41.50 | [SW]Dodge | nevcairiel: it is used in cycircled |
| 19:42.07 | [SW]Dodge | it calls :LoadPlugins() |
| 19:42.13 | nevcairiel | i know, but thats a weird reason too |
| 19:42.25 | nevcairiel | its a workaround for a bug thats no bug |
| 19:44.03 | [SW]Dodge | my problem is that i have a dynamic ammount of buttons i want to be skinned with cyC and so i add them to cy on creation. but buttons for cooldowns that are up on login cant be added since cy hasnt loaded the plugins at that moment |
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| 19:44.43 | [SW]Dodge | there are 2 ways to fix it. change cy or find a workarount for AceEvent_FullyInitialized |
| 19:45.04 | Cryect | is fish.wowace.com acting strnage for anyone else? |
| 19:45.15 | nevcairiel | let the cy plugin ask your addon for a list of buttons [SW]Dodge |
| 19:45.21 | Cryect | it only seems to be showing the left side of the pages expanded across the entire browser width |
| 19:45.26 | nevcairiel | Cryect: it was down earlier, as in, only showing half the page |
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| 19:45.33 | Cryect | k so same as before |
| 19:45.39 | nevcairiel | it does that alo |
| 19:45.41 | [SW]Dodge | nevcairiel: hm... nice idea :D |
| 19:45.42 | nevcairiel | *alot |
| 19:45.45 | [SW]Dodge | thanks :D |
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| 20:11.49 | CIA-9 | 03dodge * r65266 10cyCircled/plugins/CoolDownButtons.lua: |
| 20:11.49 | CIA-9 | cyCircled: |
| 20:11.49 | CIA-9 | - update CDB plugin |
| 20:11.59 | CIA-9 | 03dodge * r65267 10CoolDownButtons/core.lua: |
| 20:11.59 | CIA-9 | CoolDownButtons: |
| 20:11.59 | CIA-9 | - fixed cyCircled Bug |
| 20:12.42 | NivFreak | hrmm |
| 20:12.46 | NivFreak | friday and the PTRs are still up? |
| 20:12.54 | NivFreak | Doesn't sound like a tuesday patch |
| 20:14.12 | nevcairiel | last patch PTRs where up until live got patched |
| 20:14.24 | nevcairiel | *were |
| 20:15.03 | ulic | Cryect: I get that problem with fish fairly often, eventually it just starts working for me again. |
| 20:19.52 | nevcairiel | someone restarted it, then |
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| 20:23.48 | doc^bla | is there an easy way to make a tooltip from an item link? |
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| 20:26.49 | watchoutX | doc^bla, gametooltip:setitem() or something look it up on wowwiki ;) |
| 20:27.41 | CIA-9 | 03scorpio0920 * r65268 10Recount/locales/Recount-zhTW.lua: |
| 20:27.41 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 20:27.41 | CIA-9 | - Update zhTW localization. |
| 20:28.04 | doc^bla | thx, was searching for tooltip only :) |
| 20:28.23 | watchoutX | http://wowwiki.com/API_GameTooltip_SetHyperlink |
| 20:28.32 | watchoutX | was curious myself :P |
| 20:30.43 | watchoutX | another question for you... is the ace SVN for registered users only or is anonymous checkout possible? |
| 20:31.15 | nevcairiel | anonymous checkout works |
| 20:31.38 | watchoutX | ouch, then I did something wrong - weird |
| 20:31.59 | Kurax | wrong url must be |
| 20:32.34 | Vangual | svn.wowace.com for the anonymous one, not dev |
| 20:32.48 | watchoutX | oh, thats a good idea |
| 20:33.18 | watchoutX | documentation is a bit weak there :P |
| 20:33.55 | Vangual | but be careful about what to check out and the externals flag |
| 20:34.58 | watchoutX | hm, say, when I define an ace lib as external in my addon that again has externals defined, will this call be recursive? |
| 20:35.18 | Vangual | should be |
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| 20:35.41 | watchoutX | great, I don't want that -.- |
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| 20:45.26 | Elsia | anyone got the ace3config wiki link for me? |
| 20:46.04 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceConfig3 |
| 20:46.07 | Elsia | thanks |
| 20:46.21 | Elsia | I never seem to be able to find these thing when I google for it etc |
| 20:46.38 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:46.39 | NivFreak | so, who was the ZOMGBuffs author again? |
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| 20:47.47 | Megalon | NivFreak: Zeksie |
| 20:47.49 | Xinhuan | Zeksie |
| 20:48.03 | Zhinjio | Good afternoon, folks |
| 20:48.12 | NivFreak | afternoon :) |
| 20:48.13 | Ellipsis | licks Zhinjio |
| 20:48.30 | Elsia | heya zhin |
| 20:48.35 | Zhinjio | <3 Ellipsis |
| 20:48.50 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r65269 10aX_RaidStatus/RaidStatusFuncBars.lua: |
| 20:48.50 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus(Ace3): |
| 20:48.50 | CIA-9 | - Fix: Nil errors for Zone/Offline Bars |
| 20:50.25 | Diao | hmm |
| 20:50.28 | Diao | someone broke prat playernames |
| 20:50.29 | NivFreak | hrmm |
| 20:50.34 | NivFreak | Prat is broken on wowace atm |
| 20:50.50 | Antiarc | http://www.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/news/2008/03/wow_terror |
| 20:50.51 | Antiarc | What. |
| 20:51.04 | Antiarc | "Robert Allen, a level-60 mage and self-admitted virtual bioterrorist" |
| 20:51.29 | NivFreak | hrmm |
| 20:51.29 | Antiarc | Also, the incidents cited are WAY old for an article published yesterday |
| 20:51.37 | Antiarc | Also, I like how rogues are terrorists. |
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| 20:51.40 | NivFreak | well, it's either Prat or AceLibrary/AceLocale |
| 20:52.24 | nevcairiel | Prat is broken |
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| 20:52.27 | nevcairiel | not AceLibrary |
| 20:52.33 | Antiarc | :O |
| 20:52.34 | Antiarc | http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m22/drwyrm/Picture2.png |
| 20:52.41 | Antiarc | ^-- rarest thing in all of WoW, easily. |
| 20:52.47 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 20:52.50 | nevcairiel | how ugly |
| 20:52.53 | Ellipsis | lulz |
| 20:53.04 | nevcairiel | and people give that uglyness warglaives |
| 20:53.34 | Antiarc | Honestly, if I were going to reroll my rogue, it'd be a female dwarf, because there are like, 3 of them across all the realms. |
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| 20:53.47 | watchoutX | those svn externals are a PITA |
| 20:53.59 | ulic | there used to be one on my realm, not sure if there still is. |
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| 20:54.54 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: yea, Prat |
| 20:55.01 | Kurax | Yup prat is broken atm |
| 20:55.04 | NivFreak | cry |
| 20:55.29 | watchoutX | oh and Vangual, using the svn. subdomain worked ;) thanks |
| 20:56.41 | Aeyan | I did Heroic Sethekk the other day with a dwarf female rogue and a black male human mage |
| 20:56.46 | Aeyan | I screenshotted it =P |
| 20:56.58 | Vangual | i've yet to find some setting to make tsvn omit externals all the time. keep forgetting to go over "Update to Revision.." from time to time |
| 20:58.35 | Kurax | Question: If there has a way to make Grid not showing as grids, just normal bars? |
| 20:58.43 | watchoutX | well my problem is, that I get multiple libraries through the externals - like the LibStub, it's included in 3 libraries I use and I can't omit externals because the libraries are externals and I want those downloaded |
| 20:59.01 | Elsia | anyone got sample code how to use aceconfigdialog-3.0? |
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| 20:59.21 | exor674 | Kurax: would't that be like asking "is there any way to make this apple into an orange" |
| 20:59.22 | kergoth | Elsia: how about the 10-20 addons on the svn that use it? |
| 20:59.29 | Elsia | gief names ;) |
| 20:59.49 | Stanzilla | gathermate |
| 20:59.50 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 20:59.52 | Elsia | thanks |
| 20:59.58 | watchoutX | how about api docs? :P |
| 21:00.13 | Kurax | exor674: Not even have a module to make this happen? |
| 21:00.28 | kergoth | ace3 in the svn has some docs, but not as much as it should |
| 21:01.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Zeksie ping |
| 21:01.23 | watchoutX | you should really force some docs here, ace APIs might be great, but without docs they're weak |
| 21:02.10 | kergoth | "force"? |
| 21:02.19 | kergoth | you dont force shit from volunteers |
| 21:02.28 | Zhinjio | when was the last time you tried to force a developer, let alone one working for free, to do anything? |
| 21:02.29 | kergoth | especially volunteers that hate writing documentation |
| 21:02.32 | watchoutX | I mean... try to force, nudge them until they give in :P |
| 21:02.36 | Cryect | how does one force anything? |
| 21:02.38 | kergoth | yeah, good luck with taht |
| 21:02.49 | Cryect | how about you go document the APIs ;) |
| 21:03.08 | watchoutX | uh huh, I know :( it's a bad programmer's habit not to write docs from the start |
| 21:03.34 | Cryect | Except you don't have programmers write docs you have technical writers write docs |
| 21:03.37 | watchoutX | how can I document the api's, I don't understand 90% of them, tell me ;) |
| 21:03.53 | Cryect | programmers in general suck at writing API documentation |
| 21:04.00 | kergoth | s/API // |
| 21:04.04 | Sais | :) |
| 21:04.08 | Cryect | hehe |
| 21:04.12 | Sais | *concur* |
| 21:04.36 | Sais | But a tech. writer has to get the info from somewhere.... |
| 21:04.54 | Cryect | heh yes |
| 21:04.55 | pastamancer | that usually involves lead pipes and blowtorches though |
| 21:04.57 | kergoth | developers should always work closely with the technical writers and the testers |
| 21:05.03 | kergoth | preferably during development |
| 21:05.03 | Sais | pastamancer: rofl |
| 21:05.17 | kergoth | but open source is a whole different deal, since there arent many tech writers or testers around volunteering |
| 21:05.20 | Sais | too late for that, though |
| 21:05.49 | Cryect | well you have "testers" just not good testers :-p |
| 21:05.49 | Sais | Programmer's documentation is better than no documentation, though, no? |
| 21:05.54 | Cryect | kinda |
| 21:06.13 | Cryect | I've often found it easier to read the programmers code than their documentation |
| 21:06.21 | pastamancer | except when the documentation isn't up to date |
| 21:06.23 | Cryect | but depends on how clean they write code |
| 21:06.25 | watchoutX | no kergoth, if you look at any M$ api doc, its the biggest mess ever, look at most linux doc on the other hand... |
| 21:06.26 | Cryect | thats the big issue |
| 21:06.31 | Cryect | documentation often falls out of date |
| 21:06.39 | pastamancer | even in-line docucmentation :( |
| 21:06.59 | Cryect | I love my own documentation when I copy and paste a function and its talking about stuff unrelated to the function :-p |
| 21:07.02 | kergoth | watchoutX: i've looked at many well done api docs in companies |
| 21:07.07 | kergoth | you cant just point at MS and call it definitive |
| 21:07.19 | watchoutX | but it's the best example :) |
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| 21:07.27 | watchoutX | for my reasoning that is |
| 21:07.42 | Cryect | its not a good example of good documentation just a good example of a company that has bad documentation procedures |
| 21:08.43 | watchoutX | hehe |
| 21:09.02 | pastamancer | good documentation is the old NeXT Obj-C manuals :) |
| 21:09.14 | Cryect | my bigger gripe in programming is when someone names an API after something completely unrelated to what it does |
| 21:09.27 | Cryect | pastamancer, all of the NeXT documentation was good |
| 21:09.30 | watchoutX | never did anything in objective-c |
| 21:09.37 | pastamancer | Cryect: indeed |
| 21:09.57 | Cryect | was great having like tech specs to all the ports included with the manual of your computer |
| 21:10.14 | pastamancer | I miss my cube |
| 21:10.18 | Cryect | heh |
| 21:10.55 | watchoutX | Bad doc from company: WoW API :P |
| 21:11.07 | Cryect | thats not doc'ed at all |
| 21:11.11 | exor674 | bad doc? you mean 'no doc'? |
| 21:11.14 | watchoutX | oh ther's some |
| 21:11.20 | watchoutX | in-file :) |
| 21:11.24 | Cryect | game companies are notoriously bad at documenting their own API's |
| 21:11.27 | nevcairiel | inline doc doesnt count =P |
| 21:11.44 | Cryect | game companies are notoriously bad at all good programming methodology though |
| 21:11.44 | nevcairiel | but then again their UI Code is easy to understand |
| 21:12.00 | Cryect | yeah too bad most of its bad Lua |
| 21:12.03 | pastamancer | the TeXbook is also pretty good as far as reference documentation goes |
| 21:12.14 | Cryect | If you learn Lua from WoW code you learn bad practices :-p |
| 21:12.22 | Kurax | As I did |
| 21:12.26 | Cryect | Yarr, same here |
| 21:12.27 | nevcairiel | its not really "bad", its just outdated |
| 21:12.29 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r65270 10Recount/Recount.lua: |
| 21:12.29 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 21:12.29 | CIA-9 | - Fixed up AceConfig3 handling and removed some related bugs. |
| 21:12.40 | nevcairiel | most of it was designed with lua 5.0 or maybe even 4.0 |
| 21:12.40 | watchoutX | what like using globals everywhere instead of locals? :) |
| 21:12.45 | Cryect | yes |
| 21:13.21 | nevcairiel | thats not that bad |
| 21:13.29 | nevcairiel | addons can use/modify those values then |
| 21:13.31 | Xinhuan | umm blizzard using globals for everything is good |
| 21:13.40 | Xinhuan | it means the functions are hookable, modifiable by addon authors |
| 21:13.44 | Xinhuan | to change behavior |
| 21:13.50 | Cryect | how often did they use local variables though? |
| 21:13.55 | watchoutX | access time like 100000% of local, at least with that incredibly huge global table that wow has |
| 21:13.58 | Xinhuan | almost none |
| 21:14.08 | Xinhuan | but that's the whole point, to allow addons to modify them |
| 21:14.24 | Xinhuan | the only locals used is in UIParent.lua, in their positioning code |
| 21:14.31 | Xinhuan | for the bars and chatframes and stuff |
| 21:14.40 | Cryect | you really think that was intended or more likely those writing it didn't realize the difference? |
| 21:14.41 | Xinhuan | which makes the pet bar untaintable |
| 21:14.57 | Xinhuan | probably they didn't realize the difference |
| 21:15.07 | Xinhuan | but in the first place, CreateFrame() didn't exist either |
| 21:15.10 | Cryect | I mean Lua is kinda different in that you have to explicitly declare locals instead of globals |
| 21:15.15 | Kurax | Addons should use globals less, until you wanna other addons to corporate |
| 21:16.22 | watchoutX | come on, why would you use such a weird system like that for the chat command |
| 21:17.01 | nevcairiel | most of the UI was designed about 3 years ago |
| 21:17.05 | nevcairiel | look at the newer code |
| 21:17.21 | watchoutX | yeah they learned many things from addon devs ;P |
| 21:17.33 | nevcairiel | i know alot of people dont like the secure template stuff, but personally i really like it |
| 21:17.39 | nevcairiel | or the new UIParent code |
| 21:17.41 | nevcairiel | its pretty solid |
| 21:17.58 | watchoutX | yeah, and surprisingly fast, I didn't expect that |
| 21:18.04 | Cryect | hmmm the UI API is very well done |
| 21:18.10 | Cryect | its not surprisingly fast |
| 21:18.16 | Cryect | its surprisingly slow at several things |
| 21:18.43 | Xinhuan | the secureheader runchild() is really slow |
| 21:18.54 | watchoutX | really? I didn't use the slow stuff yet then ;) |
| 21:19.46 | Cryect | thats my only complaint about the UI is a few things are slower than they should be (like frame positioning require exponetial time for a SetPoint chain with only 1 child at each level) |
| 21:20.02 | Zedde | I know this is wow but have any of you heard anything about how warhammer online UI is going to be ? |
| 21:20.15 | CIA-9 | 03neotron * r65271 10MagicMarker/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 21:20.15 | CIA-9 | MagicMarker: |
| 21:20.15 | CIA-9 | - Changed to use a global crowd control priority list. |
| 21:20.15 | CIA-9 | - Each mob now only has an unordered list of crowd control methods that is allowed for the mob. |
| 21:20.15 | CIA-9 | - Crowd control configuration hidden for mobs of category Tank. |
| 21:20.30 | Kurax | Lua is surprisingly fast itself, if not, since there are so many bad coded addons, I doubt if I can run my WoW properly |
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| 21:21.20 | Kurax | People should join Ace community and learn =p |
| 21:21.36 | Sapiens|Work | learning is overrated |
| 21:22.15 | watchoutX | Kurax, I'm not part of it actually ;) |
| 21:22.30 | Kurax | You are since you're here already |
| 21:22.35 | watchoutX | d'oh |
| 21:22.45 | watchoutX | let me out!!! |
| 21:22.49 | Sapiens|Work | quick, /part before it's too late! |
| 21:23.05 | watchoutX | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.19 | Zedde | it would be nice if all addons could be added to ace, as the updater you guy's have is realy nice |
| 21:25.20 | watchoutX | ok... I want an include(file) command for lua :( |
| 21:25.21 | ulic | yep, just need a slight tweak between devel & release addons it would be golden. |
| 21:25.45 | Xinhuan | there is one |
| 21:25.49 | Arrowmaster | watchoutX: there is one |
| 21:25.54 | Xinhuan | its just not available in wow.exe's lua |
| 21:25.59 | watchoutX | but it won't work in wow |
| 21:26.29 | Xinhuan | not much reason to need it |
| 21:26.30 | watchoutX | sorry for being so unspecific ;) |
| 21:27.07 | watchoutX | it would make libraries easier to manage |
| 21:27.46 | exor674 | How? |
| 21:28.02 | Xinhuan | not really, it only makes libraries that are static and never updated easier to manage |
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| 21:28.14 | Xinhuan | the ones that we use, gets updated and bugfixed once in a while |
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| 21:28.23 | watchoutX | and Zedde , you won't find my addons on ace, my own svn server is too fast to switch to aces' :P |
| 21:29.02 | Elsia | is raid13 the largest raidunit if GetNumRaidMembers() is 13? |
| 21:29.08 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 21:29.32 | Elsia | so you gotta for loop 1 through 40 to scan it all? |
| 21:29.37 | Arrowmaster | yeah i think now |
| 21:29.51 | Kurax | Yes, use UnitExists |
| 21:29.53 | Elsia | but for party 1 through 4 is enough right? |
| 21:29.54 | Arrowmaster | hmm ive got some free time and im thinking about coding but that might be a bad idea right now |
| 21:30.08 | Arrowmaster | Elsia: right |
| 21:30.12 | Elsia | k cool thanks |
| 21:30.17 | watchoutX | oh, any chance grid will get right-click player menu? |
| 21:30.41 | Xinhuan | use Clique to add that one |
| 21:30.46 | Arrowmaster | since most people use grid with a mod like clique, no |
| 21:30.50 | Xinhuan | assign "right click" to "open menu" |
| 21:31.00 | watchoutX | Xinhuan, link to clique? |
| 21:31.09 | Arrowmaster | its on wowinterface |
| 21:31.48 | kd3 | looking for comments: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2856221186&postId=53751724589&sid=1#68 particularly end-user info for the combat log/filter settings |
| 21:32.09 | Kurax | If non ace based addons allowed to use ace SVN? |
| 21:32.27 | watchoutX | I read somewhere that they are - I think |
| 21:32.34 | breser | Really? |
| 21:32.39 | Xinhuan | what would you like kd3? |
| 21:33.03 | breser | Why is there a post on the 2.3 patch day post about 2.4? |
| 21:33.13 | kd3 | wording suggestions. ideas for improvement. trying to get as much info now before I start the 2.4 thread to keep the panicing to a minimum |
| 21:33.30 | Antiarc | Kurax: It is allowed, but generally speaking, it's polite to keep it to Ace or Ace-related addons. |
| 21:33.56 | Arrowmaster | or small non-framework addons, and by small i mean small |
| 21:33.59 | Kurax | Antiarc: Got it |
| 21:34.14 | ckknight | Antiarc: I'm not very polite, am I? |
| 21:34.19 | Kurax | lol |
| 21:34.27 | Antiarc | ckknight: Everyone knows you're a fire-breathing meanie. |
| 21:34.30 | Xinhuan | looks fine kd3 |
| 21:34.37 | ckknight | it's not fire every day |
| 21:34.37 | Xinhuan | might want to add something about the new interface options as well |
| 21:34.41 | Xinhuan | many addons will be updated to use it |
| 21:34.48 | Antiarc | (though arguably Rock is Ace-related, since it was spawned from Ace2 :P) |
| 21:34.50 | Cryect | yeah then there is ckknight with his whole rock framework thats not very small ;) |
| 21:35.10 | Xinhuan | WoWEquip is a "big" addon that doesn't use Ace2 framework ;p |
| 21:35.14 | ckknight | spawn is an odd description |
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| 21:35.47 | kd3 | ah, didn't even think of that |
| 21:35.48 | watchoutX | so whats rock? |
| 21:35.59 | Arrowmaster | some buggy framework |
| 21:36.19 | ckknight | ~rock |
| 21:36.20 | purl | methinks rock is an addon framework for World of Warcraft written by ckknight. More information is available at http://wowace.com/wiki/Rock. It is also an object best not thrown in glass houses. what we're all about, it's what we live for, c'mon and shout it out |
| 21:36.20 | Kurax | I'm a big fan of ckk......'s animals |
| 21:36.40 | Antiarc | I still say ckk should write an addon named Aardvark, so that everyone can blame it for massive memory usage. |
| 21:36.45 | ckknight | ... |
| 21:36.49 | ckknight | no thank you |
| 21:36.54 | Antiarc | It could be like 6 lines. |
| 21:37.24 | Arrowmaster | it has to include ace2 rock and ace3 though |
| 21:37.30 | Cryect | Aardvark - CPU/Memory Usage of Awesomeness |
| 21:37.33 | Kurax | So what's your next animal, ckk |
| 21:37.38 | Xinhuan | cats |
| 21:37.49 | Kurax | For what |
| 21:37.51 | ckknight | Kurax: CurseProfiler |
| 21:37.52 | ckknight | :-P |
| 21:38.12 | Kurax | Bah, boring |
| 21:38.16 | ckknight | (I'm rewriting cgProfiler) |
| 21:38.26 | ckknight | boring but lucrative |
| 21:38.37 | Kurax | True |
| 21:38.45 | Cryect | How about updating parrot to 2.4? :-p |
| 21:38.56 | Cryect | or has it been and I've not updated recently? |
| 21:39.23 | ckknight | Cryect: not yet, but LDT-3.0's almost done |
| 21:39.28 | ckknight | which Parrot will use |
| 21:39.32 | Cryect | ah |
| 21:39.36 | Arrowmaster | and no cheating and updating libparser4 |
| 21:39.38 | ckknight | actually, Parrot doesn't need the Unit module of it anyway |
| 21:39.43 | ulic | LDT stands for? |
| 21:39.45 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: yea, I don't plan to |
| 21:39.47 | Cryect | Arrowmaster, I've been so tempted to do that :-p |
| 21:39.49 | ckknight | LibDogTag, ulic |
| 21:39.58 | ulic | oh yea, that's gonna be nice. |
| 21:39.58 | Cryect | just to make a bunch of addons work for the hell of it |
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| 21:40.02 | Antiarc | Honestly, it'd be disappointing to see someone write a parserlib |
| 21:40.03 | Zhinjio | Heya ck |
| 21:40.10 | ckknight | hey Zhinjio |
| 21:40.13 | Antiarc | Because it would be extra friction that really isn't needed. |
| 21:40.20 | Antiarc | The new combat log is so nice. |
| 21:40.21 | watchoutX | Hmm, clique seems a bit too much for my needs... |
| 21:40.29 | nevcairiel | and stupid devs would use it just because they dont know shit =P |
| 21:40.35 | Antiarc | nevcairiel: Exactly. |
| 21:40.42 | Kurax | ckk almost finished another language - LDT, beside the lua in WoW. |
| 21:40.49 | Arrowmaster | any 2.4 commits to parser libs will be treated like milestone svn commit number commits with no purpose than to get that milestone svn commit number |
| 21:41.21 | ckknight | Kurax: well, the language is done, the tags just need to be added |
| 21:41.40 | Antiarc | yeeeargh |
| 21:41.51 | Antiarc | I hate working in MySQL stored procedure syntax |
| 21:41.57 | Antiarc | It's like VB's retarded little brother |
| 21:42.01 | ulic | oh, what's next 65000 or 70000? |
| 21:42.11 | ulic | I forgot where it's at. |
| 21:42.22 | Arrowmaster | 700000 |
| 21:42.29 | Zhinjio | my commit yesterday was 65220 |
| 21:42.36 | ulic | 700,000? that's gonna be a while. |
| 21:42.45 | Arrowmaster | we just passed 65000 |
| 21:42.55 | Arrowmaster | so 700000 should come in a month or two |
| 21:43.04 | ulic | hehe |
| 21:43.11 | Arrowmaster | the commit rate grows exponitally |
| 21:43.23 | ulic | I'll start doing LittleWigs commits for each files update for 2.4 rather than as a whole. |
| 21:43.29 | Kurax | 60k to 70k is so fast, maybe because the 2.4 patch |
| 21:43.57 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r65272 10Recount2/ (5 files): |
| 21:43.57 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 21:43.57 | CIA-9 | -Begins moving tracking of attributes to more being stored in Recount2 and away from LibGUIDRegistry (avoids function calls) |
| 21:43.57 | CIA-9 | -Tracks NPC attributes that share a NPC ID all under a single attribute table |
| 21:44.30 | Kurax | And yeah, maybe since I became a translator |
| 21:44.40 | Cryect | yep 2.4 results in lots of small changes |
| 21:45.02 | Arrowmaster | theres like 1300 addons in trunk |
| 21:45.03 | Cryect | or even a higher level of completely new addons which result in lots of commits |
| 21:45.07 | Kurax | A well-skilled-hard-working-translator |
| 21:45.09 | ulic | wonder what number we'd be at if we took out all the 'Revert' commits because of bad translations. |
| 21:45.21 | Arrowmaster | thats like 1300 toc bump commits on patch day |
| 21:45.33 | Civrock_ | What's actually different about Recount2 compared to Recount? |
| 21:45.42 | nevcairiel | most people dont bump their tocs for month |
| 21:45.49 | ulic | Arrowmaster: yes but they tend to do lots of addon toc bumps in a single commit. |
| 21:45.53 | nevcairiel | and like half the addons dont work anymore |
| 21:46.11 | Kurax | I vote for a "purge" |
| 21:46.30 | nevcairiel | i still hope that kaelten some day finished the long-promised new svn |
| 21:46.42 | Cryect | Recount 2 stores data in a "database" and you create views/filters for how you display the data whereas Recount 1 was a bunch of hard coded nested tables which consumes a higher level of memory usage due to replicated data and lack of flexibility |
| 21:46.48 | ckknight | nevcairiel: it's in progress |
| 21:47.05 | Arrowmaster | if there was a purge then somebody would likely purge my addon |
| 21:47.09 | nevcairiel | ckknight: for half a year, yes |
| 21:47.22 | ckknight | actually 7 months, I believe |
| 21:47.22 | Civrock_ | Cryect: Interesting, thanks. |
| 21:47.25 | Zhinjio | alright: beer o'clock. Peace, y'all. |
| 21:47.28 | breser | It always irritates me that addons that obviously work fine never get their toc bumped. |
| 21:47.29 | Zhinjio | idles. |
| 21:47.41 | breser | We shouldn't have to perpetually run with the "out of date" flag turned on. |
| 21:47.46 | NeoTron | does Ace3 have any profile handling or do I need to manually deal with it? (I am using AceDB) |
| 21:47.55 | ulic | breser: so get an svn account, test em, and bump em. |
| 21:48.01 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: get AceDBOptions-3.0 :) |
| 21:48.01 | Kurax | There're some ones at toc 10xxx |
| 21:48.09 | NeoTron | ah |
| 21:48.17 | Arrowmaster | Kurax: not in trunk |
| 21:48.21 | Cryect | I thought most the ones at toc 10xxx were removed? |
| 21:48.26 | NivFreak | Cryect: can I suspect recount2 easily? :) |
| 21:48.36 | ckknight | Cryect: they're not on files.wowace.com |
| 21:48.38 | Cryect | like 8 months ago I remember someone removed like everything that was that old |
| 21:48.44 | nevcairiel | dunno if the 10xxx stuff was removed, but they dont get files created |
| 21:48.49 | breser | ulic: Why? One would preesume that that the authors of the addons are running them and know they work. |
| 21:49.04 | Cryect | NivFreak, suspect? |
| 21:49.17 | ulic | breser: not if they moved the bahamas or don't play wow anymore. |
| 21:49.24 | NivFreak | haha |
| 21:49.25 | NivFreak | suspend |
| 21:49.26 | NivFreak | I fail |
| 21:49.36 | NivFreak | suspend / pause etc |
| 21:49.38 | nevcairiel | alot of devs stopped caring about their addons |
| 21:49.39 | Kurax | Add a precommit hook on svn to check TOC versions |
| 21:49.41 | Arrowmaster | breser: ckk went for a few months without a working wow account i think, while still coding wow addons |
| 21:49.51 | Cryect | NivFreak, if by suspend you mean just suspend data recording then yes |
| 21:49.56 | NivFreak | yep |
| 21:49.57 | NivFreak | cool |
| 21:49.59 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: truth |
| 21:50.00 | Cryect | if by suspend you mean suspend the entire addon then no |
| 21:50.06 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: about two months |
| 21:50.13 | NivFreak | nah, sometimes I just don't want it using cycles and storing data |
| 21:50.20 | ulic | yea, but ckk is an exception, as he knows what he's doing in the first place :) |
| 21:50.21 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: I had to get other people to test everything, so it was all drycoded |
| 21:50.28 | Cryect | Storing data is pretty cycle light |
| 21:50.32 | Arrowmaster | no he doesnt |
| 21:50.37 | Cryect | displaying the data is much more expensive |
| 21:50.42 | Arrowmaster | look at all the bugs we find in ace2 and rock |
| 21:51.02 | nevcairiel | Ace2 is way too complex for good debugging |
| 21:51.04 | NivFreak | Cryect: I just know what recount used to do to me if I left it running in the background collecting data forever |
| 21:51.05 | Xinhuan | you mean, that I find. |
| 21:51.08 | ulic | I didn't say he was perfect, but he's not a trial and error coder :) |
| 21:51.14 | NivFreak | some of that is helped by the in your face resets that are there now |
| 21:51.20 | Cryect | NivFreak, hehe yeah the memory usage :-p |
| 21:51.26 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: other people find the bugs, you just care enough to track them down :P |
| 21:51.40 | Xinhuan | tracking down a bug, is called finding it |
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| 21:51.51 | Xinhuan | merely reporting the existance of a bug isn't called finding it! |
| 21:52.11 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: theres a bug in the default ui, go find it! |
| 21:52.12 | nevcairiel | if i figure out that something exists, i could claim that i found it |
| 21:52.40 | Xinhuan | pfft |
| 21:53.18 | Cryect | finding the bug really needs to involve finding out how to repeat them |
| 21:53.26 | Kurax | There do have a bug in zhCN FrameXML when you open your talent window will pop an "index is nil" error |
| 21:53.45 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 21:53.46 | Cryect | I hate when QA tells me hey there is a bug with crashing/something going wrong but I have no idea how to repeat it |
| 21:54.17 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: create a HandyNotes thread! people keep reporting stuff in my Mapster thread <.< |
| 21:54.33 | Xinhuan | my addon isn't supposed to be released |
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| 21:55.47 | Xinhuan | grum's LMI library doesn't quite replace Astrolabe yet, and Astrolabe chews up more CPu than all my Ace2 and ROck addons combined |
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| 21:56.45 | Grum | Xinhuan: its nearly hrere |
| 21:56.46 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel * r65273 10/branches/HandyNotes_Directions/ (Ace3/koKR.lua LMI/koKR.lua): HandyNotes_Directions: fix error in koKR (can has shotgun now?) |
| 21:56.48 | Grum | *there |
| 21:56.55 | Grum | i added shitloads of 'convenience calls' |
| 21:56.57 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: get a rock addon using Astrolabe then |
| 21:57.08 | Xinhuan | plus nevcairiel, those handynotes plugins aren't mine |
| 21:57.17 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: i dont care |
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| 21:57.31 | Xinhuan | Directions is by kemayo i think, mailboxes by kagaro, stables by kagaro, only flightmasters is by me ;p |
| 21:58.32 | Grum | you should have the calls to make FM easily working XIn |
| 21:58.56 | Xinhuan | question |
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| 21:59.13 | Xinhuan | is it possible for me to specify a particular revision for externals? |
| 21:59.32 | Xinhuan | for eg, can i specify revision 51 of Astrolabe of the trunk (current is r65) |
| 21:59.38 | Xinhuan | as the external |
| 21:59.42 | Grum | not sure |
| 21:59.47 | Grum | you can tag a version |
| 21:59.49 | Grum | and then external that one |
| 21:59.55 | Xinhuan | or if its not possible, the only method is to upload it manually ? |
| 22:00.43 | Xinhuan | its a different svn |
| 22:00.48 | Xinhuan | so can't tag it without uploading |
| 22:00.58 | Grum | oh yeah |
| 22:01.01 | Grum | svk can do that :) |
| 22:01.04 | Grum | just tag a version |
| 22:01.07 | watchoutX | Xinhuan, http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/ch07s03.html |
| 22:01.27 | watchoutX | example line third-party/skins/toolkit -r21 http://svn.red-bean.com/repos/skin-maker |
| 22:02.06 | Xinhuan | hmmm |
| 22:02.27 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r65274 10Recount2/GUI_Table.lua: |
| 22:02.27 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 22:02.27 | CIA-9 | -Fixes a bug on table frames where you click on a row and it tries to use the vScroll offset even if the vScroll isn't being displayed |
| 22:02.27 | CIA-9 | -Fixes clicking on rows and the vScroll not rounding up resulting in potentially the "wrong" row being clicked |
| 22:02.30 | watchoutX | it seems pretty easy :) |
| 22:02.31 | Xinhuan | well onyl problem is r51 has a bug in it lol |
| 22:02.38 | Xinhuan | that is fixed in r61 or so |
| 22:02.43 | Xinhuan | and r61 eats CPU 10x more than r51 |
| 22:02.58 | watchoutX | haha |
| 22:03.20 | watchoutX | if it eats so much cpu, that mostly calls for caching :) |
| 22:03.37 | Kurax | revert, fix, commit, now you have r62 with less CPU eating |
| 22:03.45 | Xinhuan | its nto my svn |
| 22:03.49 | Xinhuan | nor my library |
| 22:03.50 | Kurax | hack it |
| 22:04.12 | watchoutX | I meant, try caching the library output |
| 22:04.26 | Xinhuan | there is no output |
| 22:04.39 | Xinhuan | it is a library that updates minimap icon positions on the minimap as u walk around the world |
| 22:04.40 | watchoutX | why do you need it then ? |
| 22:05.11 | Xinhuan | to put icons on the minimap |
| 22:05.13 | watchoutX | well then it has an output... its the icon positions, but I agree that you can't really cache those :) |
| 22:05.47 | Xinhuan | technically there is no output, the return value is nil |
| 22:06.01 | nevcairiel | the output are the moving icons :p |
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| 22:06.17 | watchoutX | Xinhuan, then it has no return value, but it still has output ;) |
| 22:06.25 | Xinhuan | hah |
| 22:06.31 | CIA-9 | 03keiss 072.4 * r65275 10Manasurge/ (8 files in 3 dirs): |
| 22:06.31 | CIA-9 | Manasurge: |
| 22:06.31 | CIA-9 | - externals |
| 22:06.31 | CIA-9 | - added toggle keybinding |
| 22:06.31 | CIA-9 | - added setting for spell to check GCD with |
| 22:06.32 | CIA-9 | - added warning about unset spell |
| 22:06.35 | watchoutX | a program/code without output would be incredibly useless ;P |
| 22:07.33 | Kurax | Minimap is rendered by game engine directly, I wonder how the lib track the icon position? |
| 22:07.49 | watchoutX | it only tracks your position |
| 22:07.53 | Xinhuan | does it by calling GetPlayerMapPosition("unitID") |
| 22:08.01 | Xinhuan | which gets your X,Y coord on the map |
| 22:08.09 | Xinhuan | (so the map must be set at your zone) |
| 22:08.18 | Kurax | Then? |
| 22:08.29 | Xinhuan | then, u have the X,Y coord of the icon |
| 22:08.33 | Xinhuan | and the radius of the minimap is known |
| 22:08.45 | Xinhuan | such as 250 yards at max zoom out diameter |
| 22:08.56 | Xinhuan | then, the zone width/height is known for every map |
| 22:09.16 | Xinhuan | either from datamining the mpq files in the dbc files |
| 22:09.23 | Xinhuan | or by calibration from using a 100% running speed mount |
| 22:09.33 | Kurax | Ah, I see |
| 22:10.13 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r65276 10Recount/ (11 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:10.13 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 22:10.14 | CIA-9 | - General code cleanup. Commented out stuff, debug junk dies horribly. |
| 22:10.14 | CIA-9 | - Removed Sync.lua, LazySync.lua replaces it. |
| 22:10.21 | NeoTron | hmm, there is no AceConfigDropdown yet? |
| 22:10.25 | Xinhuan | no |
| 22:10.44 | Xinhuan | there is also no ETA as nobody has offered to write it |
| 22:10.45 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r65277 10aX_RaidStatus/aX_RaidStatus.toc: |
| 22:10.45 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus(Ace3): |
| 22:10.45 | CIA-9 | - Updated: Opt Deps to include LibFuBarPlugin-3.0, LibStub, Dewdrop-2.0, LibSharedMedia-3.0, and LibBabble-Class-3.0 |
| 22:11.30 | Arrowmaster | holy shit when did Apoco start using irc |
| 22:11.35 | Kurax | Vote for LibDewdrop-3.0 first |
| 22:11.46 | Apoco | >_> |
| 22:11.52 | Xinhuan | already exists, antiarc wrote it |
| 22:12.00 | Apoco | Where?! |
| 22:12.01 | Xinhuan | but probably has some bugs |
| 22:12.06 | CIA-9 | 03archarodim * r65278 10Decursive/DCR_init.lua: |
| 22:12.06 | CIA-9 | Decursive: |
| 22:12.06 | CIA-9 | - Fix a LUA error when using the macro with no spell available. |
| 22:12.06 | Antiarc | Writing. Not wrote :P |
| 22:12.08 | Apoco | oh LibDropDown? |
| 22:12.09 | Xinhuan | on branches |
| 22:12.09 | Antiarc | It needs work still. |
| 22:12.10 | Arrowmaster | Apoco: i wanted to complain to you about your usage of LibFuBarPlugin-3.0 the other day |
| 22:12.12 | Antiarc | LibDropdown, yes. |
| 22:12.20 | Apoco | it doesnt work :( |
| 22:12.24 | Apoco | eh? |
| 22:12.26 | Antiarc | It's not finished :P |
| 22:12.30 | Antiarc | Feel free to improve it :P |
| 22:12.39 | Arrowmaster | Apoco: i dont think the profile changing will work for you |
| 22:12.44 | Apoco | prolly not. |
| 22:12.49 | Kurax | So it's not the orginal dewdrop then |
| 22:12.52 | Apoco | havent tested it. |
| 22:13.03 | Arrowmaster | since LFBP-3.0 doesnt support anything other than rock |
| 22:13.03 | Apoco | More worried about functionality than that to be honest. |
| 22:13.10 | Apoco | yeah, I hate it |
| 22:13.17 | Antiarc | LibDropdown is a ground-up new library |
| 22:13.24 | Arrowmaster | ive got a LFBP-3.0 in branches that will work with ace3 |
| 22:13.41 | Kurax | Cool |
| 22:13.43 | Apoco | yeah but its not live yet, and I was having some problems with it |
| 22:13.58 | Arrowmaster | oh you tested it? |
| 22:14.02 | Arrowmaster | what was the issue? |
| 22:14.29 | NeoTron | Tablet has the problem of not being able to handle ace3 configu maps |
| 22:14.53 | Arrowmaster | tablet? |
| 22:14.57 | NeoTron | in my case select is the main issue |
| 22:15.11 | NeoTron | yes? FuBar_MagicMarker is (out of necessity) Ace2 |
| 22:15.21 | Arrowmaster | i dont remember tablet supporting any optiontable formats |
| 22:15.39 | NeoTron | format is similar.. |
| 22:15.39 | CIA-9 | 03thexod * r65279 10ItemValue/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:15.39 | CIA-9 | ItemValue: |
| 22:15.39 | CIA-9 | - Added 2.4 Jewel data, auto enabled with 2.4 (ptr), see Data_Jewels.lua line 7 how to enable this data for 2.3 |
| 22:15.39 | CIA-9 | - Added Chaotic Skyfire Diamond and Charmed Amani Jewel to the 2.3 jewel data |
| 22:15.39 | CIA-9 | - Fixed auto-adding of unknown jewels |
| 22:15.41 | CIA-9 | - Heavyly optimized the Formula Set and included a modified version of lrdx's FullEquipmentBasedFormula |
| 22:15.44 | Apoco | I don't remember what the errors were with the one in Branches, but there was something that made me revert to the one on trunk |
| 22:15.50 | Apoco | I believe it had to do with the icons |
| 22:15.55 | NeoTron | err wait |
| 22:15.59 | NeoTron | dewdrop sorry |
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| 22:16.44 | Arrowmaster | hmm i dont remember any issues with the icons but i did very limited testing |
| 22:16.54 | keiss | why does AceEvent-3.0 not contain CallbackHandler if it needs it to work ? |
| 22:17.33 | Apoco | iirc it wouldnt keep the icons set in the lua file |
| 22:17.39 | Apoco | I had to hide/show/hide/show to get it to show |
| 22:17.44 | Apoco | or reset the path via /script |
| 22:17.47 | Arrowmaster | oh lol |
| 22:17.57 | Apoco | which was annoying tbh lol |
| 22:18.11 | Xinhuan | oh its because the default values were nil, not true or false |
| 22:18.17 | Arrowmaster | i think i saw notes from something Xinhuan made about that with the LFBP-3.0 in trunk |
| 22:18.48 | Xinhuan | my workaround was just to test if it was nil, and toggle it if it is |
| 22:18.55 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: fix it in my branch please |
| 22:19.00 | Apoco | lol |
| 22:19.02 | Xinhuan | ck already fixed it |
| 22:19.08 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: fix it in my branch please |
| 22:19.12 | Apoco | I tested it like 3 days ago I think |
| 22:19.13 | Arrowmaster | i have to go pickup dinner |
| 22:19.13 | Apoco | maybe 2 |
| 22:19.22 | Xinhuan | ck already fixed it |
| 22:19.25 | NeoTron | Question: Is there a way to change the list of default profiles? class, realm, player specific profiles doesn't make sense in my case |
| 22:19.29 | Arrowmaster | in my branch? |
| 22:19.37 | Xinhuan | ck fixed it over a month ago in the trunk |
| 22:19.43 | Xinhuan | its likely your branch has it |
| 22:19.55 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: use "Default" |
| 22:20.20 | CIA-9 | 03thexod * r65280 10ItemValue/ItemValue.lua: |
| 22:20.20 | CIA-9 | ItemValue: |
| 22:20.20 | CIA-9 | - Fixed "ItemValue.lua:797: attempt to index local 'self' (a nil value)" error |
| 22:20.36 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: well Apoco is claiming its not fixed in my branch |
| 22:20.37 | Sapiens|Work | "can i scan without a computer? this stupid multifunction is supposed to be STANDALONE" |
| 22:20.40 | Sapiens|Work | /facepalm |
| 22:20.55 | Apoco | it wasnt when I tested it^ |
| 22:20.58 | NeoTron | actually this is what I want to changE: "common" - returns all avaialble profiles + some commonly used profiles ("char - realm", "realm", "class", "Default") |
| 22:21.05 | Xinhuan | it could be a different error |
| 22:21.07 | NeoTron | that is fixable |
| 22:21.19 | Xinhuan | my issue was just that if a new plugin was installed, the default is nil |
| 22:21.25 | Xinhuan | until toggled on/off to change to true/false |
| 22:21.30 | Xinhuan | once its toggled, it stays fixed |
| 22:21.47 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: fix it in my branch please |
| 22:22.02 | Apoco | that wasn't happening for me, I'd have to retoggle it everytime I logged in/reloaded and I didn't feel like writing a function to deal with that when I could just use the trunk version tbh |
| 22:22.23 | Xinhuan | like i said, ck fixed it, ask him |
| 22:22.25 | Elsia | is there any docu for profile handling/acedboptions-3.0? |
| 22:22.42 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r65281 10Recount2/ (GUI_Details.lua GUI_Table.lua): |
| 22:22.42 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 22:22.42 | CIA-9 | -Fixes an issue where if the detail window gets data set from a list frame and |
| 22:22.42 | CIA-9 | then the list frame changes its view the detail window would no longer have |
| 22:22.42 | CIA-9 | valid data (copies the references to the tables that were passed now to keep |
| 22:22.43 | CIA-9 | them valid) |
| 22:22.46 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: fix it in my branch please |
| 22:23.00 | ckknight | what? |
| 22:23.06 | Arrowmaster | ok going to go pickup chinese food |
| 22:23.07 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: if you're talking about AceDBO .. its a generic library, for generic handling of the profiles.. :) |
| 22:23.30 | Apoco | Arrowmaster > its your branch, you fix it? lol |
| 22:23.32 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: ask Xinhuan |
| 22:23.42 | ckknight | I'm busy right now |
| 22:23.47 | Xinhuan | why? i'm not the one with the issue! |
| 22:23.51 | Arrowmaster | Apoco: but i have to go pickup chinese food! |
| 22:24.00 | Apoco | lol |
| 22:24.12 | Kurax | I'm having Chinese food everyday |
| 22:24.35 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: I changed it |
| 22:24.43 | Kurax | Which day is the patch day for 2.4? Next Tuesday? |
| 22:24.46 | NeoTron | hax stuffs. |
| 22:24.59 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: if you start changing the options table that you get returned, you change it for every addon using AceDBO |
| 22:25.00 | Apoco | in like 3 weeks |
| 22:25.09 | Apoco | probably |
| 22:25.12 | Kurax | Still 3 weeks that long? |
| 22:25.12 | Apoco | highly doubt tuesday |
| 22:25.17 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r65282 10aX_RaidStatus/aX_RaidStatus.toc: |
| 22:25.17 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus(Ace3): |
| 22:25.17 | CIA-9 | - Added X-Embeds to Toc |
| 22:25.54 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: err. yeah |
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| 22:26.07 | NeoTron | that's a drawback isn't it? :p |
| 22:26.10 | nevcairiel | i should add a read-only metatable on it |
| 22:26.34 | NeoTron | well I'd argue then that it should be possible not to have realm/class type default profiles |
| 22:26.41 | nevcairiel | why? |
| 22:26.47 | nevcairiel | i fail to see the case where that is needed |
| 22:27.11 | nevcairiel | maybe i like my settings like this on that one realm |
| 22:27.18 | nevcairiel | and other settings on the other realm |
| 22:27.25 | Apoco | then your weird |
| 22:27.30 | Apoco | I have to have all my toons use the same UI |
| 22:27.36 | ulic | I agree, but options are good. |
| 22:27.51 | Xinhuan | its not that weird, different classes may use different profile options, or even same class, but different professions |
| 22:27.51 | NeoTron | my addon has no need to be configured different on different players or realms |
| 22:27.56 | NeoTron | it's reduntant |
| 22:28.07 | Apoco | ^ |
| 22:28.15 | NeoTron | and especially has absolutely zero relevance to be configured by class |
| 22:28.16 | ulic | Xinhuan: classes absolutely, but realms? |
| 22:28.26 | Xinhuan | yeah, take auctioneer |
| 22:28.28 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: yeah so people will not use it |
| 22:28.32 | nevcairiel | but its a generic table |
| 22:28.33 | Xinhuan | some realms are good at certain economis |
| 22:28.36 | ulic | excellent example |
| 22:28.39 | nevcairiel | that looks exactly the same for all people |
| 22:28.46 | NeoTron | point is, it's ugly |
| 22:29.06 | nevcairiel | use your own version then |
| 22:29.07 | NeoTron | and will force me to manually hack up a table so I can make it work for me (which I can do but it seems a bit silly) |
| 22:29.08 | ulic | too bad I can farm gold on one realm and e-mail it to another. |
| 22:29.14 | ulic | gems are in the dump on my realm. |
| 22:29.24 | nevcairiel | if you are really that OCD about having 2 more entrys in the dropdown |
| 22:29.31 | nevcairiel | then feel free to create your own table |
| 22:29.46 | NeoTron | basicalyl you're saying that AceDBOptions => AceDBOptionsForAddonsWithClassRealmSpecificData |
| 22:30.08 | nevcairiel | its for giving a choice |
| 22:30.15 | nevcairiel | if people use that, is their thing |
| 22:30.28 | nevcairiel | its just stupid to bitch about 2 entrys in one dropdown |
| 22:30.39 | NeoTron | it's stupid to force them to be there |
| 22:30.44 | nevcairiel | no its not |
| 22:30.50 | Xinhuan | but people argue that more choice = more bloat! :) |
| 22:31.00 | NeoTron | it's forcing people to reimplement the functionality |
| 22:31.10 | nevcairiel | i never saw anyone reimplement it in Ace2 |
| 22:31.12 | watchoutX | snickers |
| 22:31.14 | nevcairiel | and it always had it |
| 22:31.15 | NeoTron | and, potentially without knowing, do what I just did and accidently affect all ace addons |
| 22:31.36 | nevcairiel | oh well do what you want, srsly |
| 22:32.11 | nevcairiel | its been like that for 2 years in Ace2, and suddenly people start to bitch about every minor annoyance |
| 22:32.16 | nevcairiel | use something else then |
| 22:32.39 | Xinhuan | NeoTron, what if i'm raiding in 2 different guilds, and i want different settings per Magicmarker :) |
| 22:33.04 | nevcairiel | maybe you just fail to see the use/case for different class settings |
| 22:33.26 | nevcairiel | but a user might want it |
| 22:33.26 | [SW]Dodge | Antiarc: ping |
| 22:33.32 | ulic | Xinhuan: then you need to bend one to match the other :) |
| 22:33.34 | Antiarc | Pong |
| 22:33.45 | [SW]Dodge | Message: ...ns\Omen\Libs\Threat-1.0\ThreatMobNameTranslation.lua line 158: |
| 22:33.45 | [SW]Dodge | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.53 | [SW]Dodge | also for some other mobs in ZA |
| 22:33.54 | Antiarc | Should be obsolete come Tuesday :) |
| 22:34.10 | ulic | you think patch is tuesday? |
| 22:34.12 | Antiarc | Yes. |
| 22:34.21 | ulic | do you KNOW patch is tuesday? |
| 22:34.33 | watchoutX | I don't think its tuesday already... |
| 22:34.34 | xyu` | which means we have until monday to get illidan down >_< |
| 22:34.36 | Xinhuan | we think its tuesdays, for many reasons |
| 22:34.42 | Xinhuan | we don't know for sure |
| 22:34.43 | nevcairiel | o one REALLY knows until you see the downloader |
| 22:34.44 | Antiarc | No. But I've got a pretty good guess it's Tuesday. |
| 22:34.46 | Xinhuan | but many signs point to it |
| 22:34.48 | Odlaw | blah, i say let people choose their own profile names, why force names down peoples throats :) |
| 22:35.02 | Xinhuan | for eg, background downloader, the PTR version says Final 2.4 version |
| 22:35.09 | Xinhuan | and that its right after easter holidays |
| 22:35.11 | ulic | Odlaw: there are custom profiles I believe. |
| 22:35.23 | Odlaw | ya, and i' |
| 22:35.25 | Odlaw | nm |
| 22:35.46 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: my addon marks targets. I will mark the same if I play a shaman as if I play a mage |
| 22:36.00 | NeoTron | however I an not unlikely to have a Guild: Foo and Guild: Bar profile for example |
| 22:36.17 | Xinhuan | NeoTron: i gave an example situation - what if i'm raiding 2 different guilds, and i want different settings for each |
| 22:36.18 | NeoTron | I'm not arguing against profiles, just profiles that makes no sense |
| 22:36.24 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: then make two profiles |
| 22:36.54 | NeoTron | but it'd be illogical to group by the presets, just use something logical as I stated above |
| 22:37.00 | Xinhuan | i see |
| 22:37.02 | Apoco | Xinhuan> then typically they would have different character names or servers, so the profiles would be different anyways. |
| 22:37.08 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: you are _seriously_ bitching about *2* entrys in *1* dropdown? man, if you dont like what we do, do it yourself =P |
| 22:38.30 | Apoco | gah gotta restart brb |
| 22:39.55 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: 3. big difference! |
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| 22:44.57 | FtH|Daemona | hmpf no patch on tuesday i guess? |
| 22:44.58 | FtH|Daemona | We are taking down the PTR and TTR realms to apply a server-side update. The downtime should be less than an hour. |
| 22:44.58 | FtH|Daemona | Thank you for your patience. |
| 22:45.18 | Apoco | PTR has been down I believe |
| 22:45.25 | nevcairiel | server-side updates dont mean shit |
| 22:45.30 | Cryect | PTR is up? |
| 22:45.31 | nevcairiel | they could be applying the last tunes |
| 22:45.51 | FtH|Daemona | we've been raiding sunwell plateau today for 5 hours? |
| 22:45.53 | Groktar | bleeds all over nevcairiel |
| 22:46.01 | Apoco | I thought they took the PTR down earlier this week |
| 22:46.19 | Cryect | No I mean PTR is up |
| 22:46.23 | Apoco | ah |
| 22:46.23 | Cryect | they did and brought it back up |
| 22:46.26 | Apoco | kk |
| 22:46.31 | FtH|Daemona | disabling the zone-in != disabled ptr |
| 22:46.32 | Cryect | I've been coding on it all afternoon |
| 22:46.44 | Cryect | THey disabled PTR last Sunday FtH|Daemona |
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| 22:46.52 | Cryect | so people would actually get on TTR |
| 22:47.02 | FtH|Daemona | Cryect and we have been porting ppl in as usual ;) |
| 22:47.37 | Arrowmaster | lol rogue on my server just got mainhand warglaive the other week and put executioner on it |
| 22:47.38 | nevcairiel | fth exploits, i knew it |
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| 22:47.41 | Elsia | what beside LibStub("AceConfigRegistry-3.0"):RegisterOptionsTable("Recount Profiles", LibStub("AceDBOptions-3.0"):GetOptionsTable(Recount.db)) |
| 22:47.50 | Kalroth | stupid question; is it possible to insert an actual item link into an item tooltip or is it only text? |
| 22:47.51 | Elsia | do i have to do to get profile options to show? |
| 22:48.16 | Apoco | Elsia > thats all I did and it showed >< |
| 22:48.21 | Elsia | hmm |
| 22:48.32 | Apoco | well I registered defaults too, but thats it |
| 22:48.53 | Elsia | let me pastey the whole thing |
| 22:50.01 | Elsia | http://ace.pastey.net/84205 |
| 22:50.03 | Apoco | pastey is the devil |
| 22:50.13 | Apoco | momma said |
| 22:50.18 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r65283 10Ace3/AceDBOptions-3.0/AceDBOptions-3.0.lua: |
| 22:50.18 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - AceDBOptions-3.0 |
| 22:50.18 | CIA-9 | - add optional argument to GetOptionsTable(db[, noDefaultProfiles]) - if set to true will not show the default profiles in the profile selection |
| 22:50.20 | CIA-9 | 03thexod * r65284 10ItemValue/Class_FullEquipmentBasedFormula.lua: |
| 22:50.20 | CIA-9 | ItemValue: |
| 22:50.22 | CIA-9 | - Fixed typo in Class_FullEquipmentBasedFormula.lua |
| 22:50.49 | nevcairiel | ~lart NeoTron |
| 22:50.49 | purl | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets NeoTron feel it |
| 22:51.00 | Apoco | options.args.profile = LibStub("AceDBOptions-3.0"):GetOptionsTable(AXRS.db) |
| 22:51.00 | Apoco | LibStub("AceConfig-3.0"):RegisterOptionsTable("aX RaidStatus", options) |
| 22:51.03 | Apoco | thats what I did |
| 22:51.06 | Apoco | and it shows. |
| 22:51.21 | Elsia | hmm i see |
| 22:51.37 | Apoco | where options is the AceConfig3 options table |
| 22:51.46 | Elsia | yeps got it |
| 22:51.49 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: >:-) |
| 22:52.05 | JJSheets | Macro question: is this a legit macro, and if so, what does the ! do? /cast !Auto Shot |
| 22:52.16 | Xinhuan | ! prevents it from being toggled off |
| 22:52.21 | JJSheets | ah |
| 22:52.22 | Apoco | I wasn't going for the profiles thingy to show when I did it, but it did |
| 22:52.23 | Xinhuan | as Auto Shot is a on/off toggle |
| 22:52.31 | Apoco | JJSheets > if you can /cast it, its legit |
| 22:52.40 | Apoco | afaik |
| 22:52.40 | Xinhuan | so !Auto Shot will only ever turn it on, never off |
| 22:52.50 | JJSheets | thanks |
| 22:52.53 | Apoco | well not really on |
| 22:53.03 | Apoco | it enables it to go |
| 22:53.20 | Apoco | ./castsequence !Auto Shot, Steady Shot |
| 22:53.26 | Elsia | apoco: thanks, works now :D |
| 22:53.33 | Apoco | Elsia > np |
| 22:53.44 | Apoco | thank kgPanels, I ripped it from there iirc |
| 22:55.00 | NeoTron | so where's the code that generates the profile selection options table for ace2? |
| 22:55.13 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r65285 10Recount/ (. Recount.lua embeds.xml locales/Recount-enUS.lua): |
| 22:55.14 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 22:55.14 | CIA-9 | - Added AceDBOptions-3.0 support for profile config stuff. Thanks to Apoco for helping out. |
| 22:55.44 | Apoco | NeoTron > no idea |
| 22:55.58 | NeoTron | I'm trying to figure out dewdrop "select" works |
| 22:55.59 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: AceDB does that |
| 22:56.08 | Apoco | it just does lol |
| 22:56.08 | nevcairiel | *AceDB-2.0 |
| 22:56.15 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: I just don't see where it builds the list of profiles |
| 22:56.18 | NeoTron | I just see the titles |
| 22:56.46 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r65286 10Recount2/ (5 files): |
| 22:56.46 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 22:56.46 | CIA-9 | -Can now group as well on level, race, classification, creature type, creature |
| 22:56.46 | CIA-9 | family, faction, and sex (make note for NPC's some of this info might vary for |
| 22:56.46 | CIA-9 | NPC's of the same ID but will all be reported as the first collected NPC of that |
| 22:56.46 | CIA-9 | ID) |
| 22:56.47 | NeoTron | err. it does it using a metatable doesn't it? |
| 22:57.02 | Elsia | group sex o.O |
| 22:57.29 | Cryect | yeah kinda pointless but... I decided why not |
| 22:57.33 | Elsia | hehe |
| 22:57.43 | NeoTron | or not |
| 22:57.44 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: line 562 |
| 22:57.49 | Elsia | people have requested grouping by class, so that's definitely very nice |
| 22:58.02 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: I know. I don't see it building any options there |
| 22:58.04 | Elsia | and grouping by tauren can be useful as well :D |
| 22:58.27 | Cryect | Maybe someone will decide they want to see which sex did the most damage/healing in their raid! |
| 22:58.33 | nevcairiel | the optiosn are build on 2060 |
| 22:58.40 | Ellipsis | zomg sexism |
| 22:58.44 | Apoco | Cryect > Now we can really see that Blizzard's 3% more dmg/crit to humanoids via huntard talents is a phoney! |
| 23:00.27 | Cryect | heh |
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| 23:01.05 | Apoco | does anyone know the delay between each mark of kaz'rogal? |
| 23:01.13 | Apoco | I know it gets lower each time, but how much? |
| 23:01.18 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 23:01.25 | nevcairiel | kaz is so easy .. does it really matter? |
| 23:01.33 | xyu` | Anyone have all of black temple's magic marker mob databased? can i get it shared w/ me plz? i'm going to attempt to use it in our guild run for first time and i only have mother through illidan :( |
| 23:01.51 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: that I know too. But I see nothing but type="text" |
| 23:02.02 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: thats Ace2 *shrug |
| 23:02.08 | nevcairiel | type="text" is like everyhting |
| 23:02.14 | Apoco | Don't question the power of Ace2 |
| 23:02.16 | Apoco | it just...works |
| 23:02.39 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: type="text" with validate as a table with possible values .. = select |
| 23:02.42 | nevcairiel | dont ask why |
| 23:02.42 | Arrowmaster | except for the bugs in acecomm-2.0 |
| 23:02.48 | Arrowmaster | and aceevent-2.0 |
| 23:02.52 | Arrowmaster | and aceoo-2.0 |
| 23:02.54 | Apoco | it still works |
| 23:02.59 | Apoco | just not like it should |
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| 23:03.21 | NeoTron | wow ok that.. makes sense |
| 23:03.25 | NeoTron | thanks. |
| 23:03.33 | Apoco | lol |
| 23:03.35 | xyu` | no black temple databases? >< oh well i'll wait for tuesday |
| 23:04.27 | JJSheets | Gee thanks Comcast! Now I have to hunt down EVERY web site that has my email address and tell them my new one... sheesh... |
| 23:04.37 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r65287 10Recount2/GUI_List.lua: |
| 23:04.37 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 23:04.37 | CIA-9 | -I decided I rather see text instead of numbers for what sex is displayed when grouped by them |
| 23:04.58 | Xinhuan | cryect meant Gender, rather than Sex |
| 23:04.59 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 23:05.14 | JJSheets | Sex: All the time! Giggity Giggity Goo! |
| 23:05.17 | Elsia | display sex :D |
| 23:05.22 | Arrowmaster | JJSheets: thats what you get for using an isp provided email |
| 23:05.32 | Cryect | I mean sex since sex is faster to type |
| 23:05.33 | Kalroth | Recount2 includes sex now? hot! |
| 23:05.45 | JJSheets | Arrowmaster, yup... which is why I'm switching it to gmail on everything. :p |
| 23:05.48 | Elsia | recount2 is gender neutral but sexed up |
| 23:06.16 | nevcairiel | butt sexed? |
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| 23:07.08 | Xinhuan | question |
| 23:07.15 | Xinhuan | why would anyone ever want to sort by sex? |
| 23:07.33 | Kalroth | To see which chicks are slacking of course |
| 23:07.40 | Apoco | its char sex |
| 23:07.41 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: thats what i said, but shrug :P |
| 23:07.43 | Apoco | not rl sex |
| 23:07.47 | Kalroth | Apoco: Well duh! |
| 23:07.52 | nevcairiel | rl sex would be more fun, tho |
| 23:07.53 | Apoco | lol |
| 23:07.56 | Xinhuan | don't bloat recount2, Cryect! |
| 23:07.57 | Apoco | I agree nevcairiel |
| 23:08.02 | Apoco | seriously |
| 23:08.07 | Apoco | WE VETO THE BLOAT! |
| 23:09.54 | Cryect | Xinhuan, its not really bloat |
| 23:10.11 | Cryect | its more stored for if you wish to display it somewhere |
| 23:10.28 | Xinhuan | i question why it needs to be stored |
| 23:10.34 | Xinhuan | if it isn't going to be used |
| 23:10.42 | nevcairiel | it does matter if illidan is male or female! |
| 23:10.54 | Cryect | you can display it in text in tooltips/labels if you so desire |
| 23:11.11 | nevcairiel | maybe i can have statistics how many trash mobs were male/female this instance id =P |
| 23:11.43 | Cryect | Once I add some further capabilities you will be able to determine stats like that with the correct queries |
| 23:12.08 | Xinhuan | i dunno but it seems totally redundant and unnecessary, in a dmg meter addon |
| 23:12.28 | Kalroth | will Recount2 have SQL-92 compatible queries?! |
| 23:12.46 | Elsia | gief xml layer |
| 23:12.50 | Cryect | Kalroth, if you wish to write a SQL parser/evaluator go for it |
| 23:13.14 | Cryect | Xinhuan, more because its not a damage meter addon and a stat addon? |
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| 23:14.18 | Apoco | General Question: If a character is offline in a raid, are they as good as dead? |
| 23:14.31 | Fin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.31 | Xinhuan | no, they can relog |
| 23:14.42 | Kalroth | That's highly relative to when and where you DC'ed, Apoco :) |
| 23:14.52 | Kalroth | Fin :( |
| 23:14.58 | watchoutX | I'd like some feedback on my layout manager design... http://watch.pytalhost.net/FlowLayout.lua would somebody want to look over it? |
| 23:15.00 | Cryect | Such a thing I agree would be pointless in Recount 1 since would consume vastly more memory, Recount 2 its almost free (not quite but pretty insignificant compared to everything else) |
| 23:15.04 | Fin | wet willies Kalroth |
| 23:15.50 | Fin | I'd quite like to see an SQL-92 parsers though |
| 23:16.19 | Fin | -s |
| 23:16.56 | Kalroth | Just need to sucker Blizzard into compiling SQLite into WoW! |
| 23:17.08 | Fin | that would be so fantastic |
| 23:17.28 | Kalroth | indeed, sadly it would also be very abuseable :) |
| 23:17.34 | watchoutX | yeah, and add coroutines to that... |
| 23:17.41 | Fin | we could have profiles with immediate saving |
| 23:17.48 | Elsia | DELETE FROM Recount WHERE Feature = bloat |
| 23:17.51 | Cryect | they have added coroutinies I thoughted? |
| 23:17.56 | Cryect | thought* |
| 23:18.01 | Apoco | wtb WYSIWYG editor for wowace forums |
| 23:18.02 | Apoco | ;( |
| 23:18.15 | Fin | -'ace forums' |
| 23:18.22 | watchoutX | Cryect, I thought too, but I wasn't able to access them :) |
| 23:18.33 | Xinhuan | coroutine.blah |
| 23:18.36 | Xinhuan | its there |
| 23:18.51 | watchoutX | omg.. how could I miss that... |
| 23:19.02 | Cryect | because some of the jitters recount has with leaving combat and changing fights could be fixed via coroutine usage |
| 23:19.07 | Xinhuan | very few situations you would need a coroutine though |
| 23:20.04 | Fin | hugs his http://pgl.yoyo.org/luai/i/2.11+Coroutines |
| 23:20.10 | cncfanatics | do you actualy *need* coroutines everywhere with OnUpdate ? |
| 23:20.26 | Xinhuan | cncfanatics, only if the code is very complex with deep nested loops |
| 23:20.27 | Cryect | its makes thing easier to do |
| 23:20.28 | watchoutX | well that might be true, but if you want to write an event manager you want them |
| 23:20.39 | Xinhuan | and keeping track of state is much harder than just yielding |
| 23:20.45 | Cryect | Yep |
| 23:20.47 | Recluse|WoW | Xinhuan: is there a 'reset button' in wowequip? |
| 23:20.51 | Xinhuan | also, coroutines use in wow lua still requires OnUpdate anyway |
| 23:21.03 | Xinhuan | Recluse|WoW: yes, its "target yourself and press Copy Target" |
| 23:21.04 | watchoutX | Xinhuan, why so? |
| 23:21.13 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: just add the button <.< |
| 23:21.14 | Cryect | you have no scheduler |
| 23:21.17 | Xinhuan | because you need a method to coroutine.resume() |
| 23:21.20 | Cryect | so you need something to resume it |
| 23:21.23 | Xinhuan | and the only way to call that is an OnUpdate |
| 23:21.32 | Cryect | well it doesn't have to be called there |
| 23:21.36 | Cryect | but its the place that makes most sense |
| 23:21.44 | Xinhuan | so every OnUpdate, you resume(), and you yield() after doing some calcs |
| 23:21.54 | Xinhuan | and so on, until it completes |
| 23:22.00 | Recluse|WoW | Xinhuan: that won't reset the talent modifications though, correct? |
| 23:22.07 | Apoco | is there anyway to make my client think it is a different localization? |
| 23:22.11 | Xinhuan | i think it does recluse |
| 23:22.16 | Xinhuan | it copies the target |
| 23:22.33 | Xinhuan | apoco, not really |
| 23:22.43 | Xinhuan | but an ace3 addon can simulate being in a different locale |
| 23:22.50 | Apoco | I can't change what GetLocal returns? |
| 23:22.52 | Recluse|WoW | Xinhuan: i could be doing something wrong. it changed the gear back, but changes to the talent under derived stats stayed the same |
| 23:22.53 | Xinhuan | refer to AceLocale-3.0 for details |
| 23:23.06 | Xinhuan | u can, but the default UI code still has the English strings |
| 23:23.08 | watchoutX | Xinhuan, I think I know what you mean now, but I don't think thats the situation you want to use coroutines |
| 23:23.14 | Apoco | kk |
| 23:23.16 | Apoco | ty |
| 23:23.27 | Xinhuan | watchoutX, that is the exact situation i used coroutines in my addon, Routes |
| 23:23.35 | Xinhuan | i perform Travelling Salesman Problem on 500+ nodes |
| 23:23.38 | Xinhuan | requiring minutes |
| 23:23.46 | Xinhuan | over your database of herbs/ore |
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| 23:24.07 | Xinhuan | dynamic programming approach has a O(2^n * n^2) complexity |
| 23:24.11 | Recluse|WoW | Xinhuan: Hrm, well had to click a second time o.O but now it works every time rofl. maybe my brain is fried hehe |
| 23:24.16 | watchoutX | are you serious, TSP shouldn't run minutes on 500 nodes... |
| 23:24.17 | Cryect | Pfft go for brute force of n! |
| 23:24.27 | Cryect | O(n!)* |
| 23:24.28 | Xinhuan | i do, i used Ant COlony Optimization |
| 23:24.32 | Xinhuan | so its faster than that |
| 23:24.38 | watchoutX | go for a faster algorithm |
| 23:24.40 | Elsia | yay for exponential growth |
| 23:24.41 | Xinhuan | with pruning |
| 23:24.57 | Xinhuan | 500 nodes only uses about 1 minute forground, or 3 minutes background with coroutines |
| 23:24.59 | Xinhuan | on my system |
| 23:25.04 | Xinhuan | but my system is pretty powerful |
| 23:25.19 | nevcairiel | 1 minute foreground? |
| 23:25.22 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 23:25.23 | nevcairiel | longest i had was like 30s |
| 23:25.30 | Cryect | with 500 nodes? |
| 23:25.34 | Xinhuan | i did a test on a 659 node route |
| 23:25.44 | Xinhuan | took about 1 minute+ |
| 23:25.45 | Xinhuan | forground |
| 23:25.48 | Xinhuan | with ACO |
| 23:26.11 | Xinhuan | that included like ever ore, herb, gas, and egg in SMV |
| 23:26.14 | Xinhuan | every* |
| 23:26.20 | Cryect | hehe |
| 23:26.21 | Xinhuan | and chests |
| 23:26.25 | watchoutX | hm, maybe lua is not the right language for this :) |
| 23:26.31 | Recluse|WoW | Xinhuan: Ah, I see what it is. It lets me reduce talents I currently have but not increase talents I do not have (I can set them but they don't show as changes unless they are reductions) |
| 23:26.36 | Cryect | watchoutX, its not |
| 23:26.39 | watchoutX | lacks the data structures |
| 23:26.42 | Cryect | yep |
| 23:26.45 | Elsia | sorting herbs and ore foreground in SMV is more than my machine can handle :P |
| 23:26.58 | Xinhuan | imported data from both Cartographer and Gathermate and Gatherer ;p |
| 23:27.00 | Xinhuan | for that route lol |
| 23:27.03 | nevcairiel | thats why i have herbalism and mining on different chars |
| 23:27.04 | nevcairiel | =P |
| 23:27.11 | Xinhuan | into Routes |
| 23:27.50 | Xinhuan | with pruning, the resulting route is probably within 95% of the most optimal possible route |
| 23:28.10 | Xinhuan | brute force approach is O(N!) |
| 23:28.27 | Xinhuan | in fact go read http://xkcd.com :) |
| 23:28.35 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r65288 10aX_RaidStatus/RaidStatusFuncBars.lua: |
| 23:28.35 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus(Ace3): |
| 23:28.35 | CIA-9 | - Fix: Babble-Class-3.0 Errors in RaidStatusFuncBars.lua (wasn't really Babble-Class) |
| 23:28.35 | Apoco | no! |
| 23:28.36 | Xinhuan | today's comic is pro |
| 23:28.43 | nevcairiel | i buy my herbs on the AH! |
| 23:28.44 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 23:28.49 | watchoutX | IMO using a real TSP is not the right choice anyway |
| 23:29.15 | Xinhuan | watchoutX: http://home2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/temp.jpg |
| 23:29.17 | Xinhuan | watchoutX: http://home2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/temp3.jpg |
| 23:29.22 | Xinhuan | and http://home2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/temp5.jpg |
| 23:29.26 | Xinhuan | with node clustering ;p |
| 23:29.38 | Xinhuan | did i delete some of those jpgs hehe |
| 23:29.40 | nevcairiel | your links dont work |
| 23:29.44 | watchoutX | not found :P |
| 23:29.51 | Xinhuan | http://home2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp.jpg |
| 23:29.53 | Xinhuan | http://home2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp3.jpg |
| 23:29.55 | Xinhuan | http://home2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp5.jpg |
| 23:29.59 | Xinhuan | forgot the /wow |
| 23:30.31 | Xinhuan | that's the 659 node route |
| 23:30.39 | Fin | hey Xinhuan |
| 23:30.41 | Xinhuan | reduced to 196 nodes with clustering at 100 yards i think |
| 23:30.54 | watchoutX | thats ok, but it's missing the juice |
| 23:31.00 | Fin | can you make a more recent screenshot of your playtime, please? |
| 23:31.10 | Xinhuan | umm why? :) |
| 23:31.30 | Fin | so I can preserve it for posterity! some people I told about your playtime don't believe me :) |
| 23:31.37 | Fin | it's just the fact that it's all on one character :) |
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| 23:31.44 | Xinhuan | hmm sure i guess |
| 23:31.46 | watchoutX | you'd have to make a route that goes *between* the herb/mine spots in a way to cover as many as possible with the gathering-talent-tracker |
| 23:31.47 | Xinhuan | brb |
| 23:32.05 | Xinhuan | u can make a route from any nodes u choose, such as "all felweed only" |
| 23:32.11 | Fin | woo, thanks :) I wouldn't've asked but you posted something a month or two ago and I couldn't find it |
| 23:32.12 | Xinhuan | or "all terocones and adamantite" |
| 23:32.13 | Yssaril | for status icons on unitframes all i ahve to track is RaidLeader,RaidAssistant,Masterlooter,PVP,Resting,Combat right (or did i forget something?) |
| 23:32.26 | Fin | I think because you just overwrite the same image repeatedly :) |
| 23:32.29 | Apoco | Xinhuan > that just looks mind numbing |
| 23:32.46 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r65289 10Recount2/GUID_Tracking.lua: |
| 23:32.46 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 23:32.46 | CIA-9 | -NPC's only use the first NPCs attribute data if it can't find the NPC's data |
| 23:32.46 | CIA-9 | (will continue to try to find it though) or if the data ends up being the exact |
| 23:32.46 | CIA-9 | same anyways (don't need to store identical tables multiple times) |
| 23:33.00 | watchoutX | thats great, but still, for optimal rout you don't want to visit the spots, you want to go between them, to be able to find more than one at the same time |
| 23:33.36 | Xinhuan | check |
| 23:33.46 | Xinhuan | http://home2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp4b.jpg |
| 23:33.46 | nevcairiel | thats what clustering does |
| 23:33.48 | Xinhuan | http://home2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp4c.jpg |
| 23:33.49 | Fin | also I always explain that it's cos you're studying related stuff, and stuff |
| 23:33.49 | Xinhuan | too |
| 23:34.07 | Xinhuan | i have an algorithm to shade the inside :P |
| 23:34.10 | *** join/#wowace JoshBorke (n=Josh@WoWUIDev/WoWInterface/LegoBlock/joshborke) |
| 23:34.41 | Xinhuan | http://grum.nl/WoWScrnShot_020908_125251.jpg |
| 23:34.46 | Xinhuan | specify a region to ignore |
| 23:34.52 | Xinhuan | or many regions |
| 23:35.13 | Fin | that |
| 23:35.14 | Fin | is cool |
| 23:35.17 | Xinhuan | fin: http://home2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp10.jpg |
| 23:35.24 | Xinhuan | just taken a few minutes ago |
| 23:35.24 | Fin | thanks! |
| 23:35.30 | watchoutX | Xinhuan, sorry, I don't get what that's used for, but it looks cool :P |
| 23:35.49 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: get a widescreen imho =P |
| 23:35.57 | JoshBorke | watchoutX: it makes it so routes don't try to go there |
| 23:36.06 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: that lifepercent makes me worry about you |
| 23:36.07 | Industrial | pastamancer: http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/1000/ please remove this addon |
| 23:36.15 | Yssaril | watchoutX, for areas like caves that you may want to ignore you can set the cave as taboo zone so it ignores the cave nodes for generating the route |
| 23:36.32 | Xinhuan | it makes me wonder why i installed LifePercent ;p |
| 23:36.35 | watchoutX | oh nice one, but still not what I meant ;) |
| 23:36.36 | JoshBorke | 44.4% o.O |
| 23:36.49 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r65290 10Recount2/GUID_Tracking.lua: |
| 23:36.49 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 23:36.49 | CIA-9 | -Fixed a bug with setting combatants to know that they are using a NPC table or not (only the first one was thinking it was using an NPC table which it immediately said was equal so removed the flag >_>) |
| 23:36.49 | nevcairiel | Industrial: wtf did you do =P |
| 23:36.55 | Antiarc | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1807755 :O |
| 23:37.02 | JoshBorke | Xinhuan: btw, good choice on scarab lord reward |
| 23:37.08 | Industrial | nevcairiel: I dont have an svn account. |
| 23:37.12 | Xinhuan | what josh! |
| 23:37.21 | nevcairiel | Industrial: did you trash yours? |
| 23:37.22 | JoshBorke | Xinhuan: the mount |
| 23:37.23 | Cryect | Industrial, its not over 9000 though |
| 23:37.27 | Xinhuan | the mount is not a "choice" |
| 23:37.29 | Industrial | nevcairiel: So this is a good example of why the svn needs pruning |
| 23:37.30 | Xinhuan | its 100% |
| 23:37.38 | Industrial | Cryect: ? |
| 23:37.38 | JoshBorke | oh, it's not? i tohught you chose between it and an item |
| 23:37.39 | JoshBorke | nvm |
| 23:37.41 | Xinhuan | nope |
| 23:37.42 | Industrial | nevcairiel: I forgot the pass I guess |
| 23:38.00 | Xinhuan | when you bang the gong to open AQ, its a quest, clicking "Complete Quest" opens the gate and gives you the mount |
| 23:40.30 | *** join/#wowace vithos (n=vithos@unaffiliated/vithos) |
| 23:42.34 | Xinhuan | JoshBorke: http://home2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/bangagong.jpg and http://home2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/bangagong2.jpg |
| 23:42.35 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 23:43.35 | kebinusan | Ace2\AceLibrary\AceLibrary.lua:122: in function <Interface\AddOns\Ace2\AceLibrary\AceLibrary.lua:75> |
| 23:43.35 | kebinusan | (tail call): ?: |
| 23:43.35 | kebinusan | Ace2\AceLibrary\AceLibrary.lua:480: in function `PRAT_LIBRARY' |
| 23:43.35 | kebinusan | Prat_Modules\modules\PlayerNames.lua:389: in main chunk |
| 23:43.35 | kebinusan | <in C code>: in function `LoadAddOn' |
| 23:43.43 | kebinusan | err, dditn meant to paste all that |
| 23:44.12 | Kurax | Prat is broken atm |
| 23:45.13 | nevcairiel | stupid Prat code, even manages to blame stuff on AceLibrary |
| 23:45.19 | nevcairiel | srsly, that needs a purge too =P |
| 23:45.27 | Kurax | lol |
| 23:46.09 | FtH|Daemona | Zeksie -> http://ace.pastey.net/84206 |
| 23:46.12 | nevcairiel | its typical sylv, merge new stuff to trunk, then go off over the holidays |
| 23:46.31 | Ellipsis | rubs her eyes |
| 23:46.42 | JoshBorke | hrm |
| 23:46.42 | Kurax | I see her |
| 23:46.46 | JoshBorke | i have a putty private key |
| 23:46.50 | JoshBorke | but no putty public key |
| 23:47.40 | vithos | JoshBorke: open the private key in puttygen |
| 23:47.45 | JoshBorke | yea, i just saw that |
| 23:47.46 | JoshBorke | thanks :-) |
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| 23:48.54 | xyu` | how do you type the modifier for control in a macro? is it ctrl? |
| 23:49.11 | Fin | yes |
| 23:49.15 | xyu` | ari |
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| 23:50.56 | Xinhuan | mod:ctrl |
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| 23:51.42 | Uhuru | Hi, someone can advice me a good ace dot timer add on ? |
| 23:52.44 | Fin | AceDotTimerMod |
| 23:53.06 | Fin | with FuBar_AceDotTimerMod |
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| 23:53.55 | Uhuru | hihihi |
| 23:53.56 | Uhuru | hahaha |
| 23:53.58 | Uhuru | hohoho |
| 23:54.04 | Uhuru | you're son funny Fin |
| 23:54.07 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: I coerced the ace3 profile config into dewdrop. woot |
| 23:54.12 | Fin | you are laughing at me |
| 23:54.17 | JJSheets | lol |
| 23:54.19 | JoshBorke | i need a new name for my GuildBook addon |
| 23:54.22 | NeoTron | MMFu is a typical example of "wtf are you doing you moron?!" |
| 23:54.26 | NeoTron | but it works |
| 23:54.31 | Fin | cries |
| 23:54.33 | JoshBorke | anyone want to give me an idea? |
| 23:54.54 | Fin | what does it do, Josh? |
| 23:55.02 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5370-GuildBook.html |
| 23:55.08 | NeoTron | so since I'm sure it's magic but how do you get the text input field in dewdrop? |
| 23:55.58 | JJSheets | JoshBorke, KnowItAll |
| 23:56.07 | JoshBorke | ooo, i like that name |
| 23:56.08 | keiss | :140 |
| 23:56.12 | keiss | oops |
| 23:56.15 | NeoTron | oh wait.. |
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| 23:57.37 | Fin | pfff, can't be arsed to type a description out? I can't be bothered to open another window in my browser! |
| 23:57.46 | *** join/#wowace Shonem (n=Jakewmwa@h203.75.89.75.ip.alltel.net) |
| 23:57.46 | JJSheets | lol Fin |
| 23:57.58 | *** join/#wowace Shonem (n=Jakewmwa@h203.75.89.75.ip.alltel.net) |
| 23:58.01 | JoshBorke | in game wiki type mod :-P |
| 23:58.06 | Shonem | hey |
| 23:58.09 | Shonem | i need some help... |
| 23:58.16 | JJSheets | don't we all. :) |
| 23:58.24 | Ellipsis | especially Fin |
| 23:58.26 | Shonem | im trying 2 upload a image to eepeanels but it wont upload a image.... |
| 23:58.39 | JJSheets | lol Ellipsis |
| 23:58.44 | Fin | OK... WoWiWoWiWildWildWarcraft |
| 23:59.04 | JJSheets | smacks Fin with a rotten fish. |
| 23:59.05 | JoshBorke | wtf is that |
| 23:59.09 | Zeksie | thx FtH|Daemona |
| 23:59.14 | Fin | I submit humbly to the greater authority |
| 23:59.18 | JJSheets | lol |
| 23:59.21 | Zeksie | did sag_ich_nicht want me earlier? been busy. |
| 23:59.22 | Fin | bows, shuffles away, bows, shuffles |
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| 23:59.59 | Fin | I'd call it Guild Knowledge |
