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00:00.19Zeksiemaybe you left taint logging on too. ;)
00:00.30azraelowell....what's that?
00:00.30azraelolol
00:00.36azraeloalso, does cleaning up saved var's improve performance or load times?
00:00.49Polarinaazraelo: /console taintLog 0
00:00.50break19Zeksie: ooops. thanks -turns off his taint logging-
00:01.22break19lol
00:01.22azraeloi must repeat....what's that? :)
00:01.22Zeksienot really. might cut back on 100k or so of memory. wow keeps a cached list of all files in wow folder.
00:01.29NeoTrontaint logging is on by default?
00:01.30Zeksieif you have to ask, then you prolly didn't turn it on
00:01.33Zeksieno
00:01.43Polarinaazraelo: An magical object the human intelligence isn't capable of understanding.
00:01.54azraeloheh
00:02.22Zeksieyes... it's something where they said, here's some useful info to help debug... but careful examination of the 'info' often leads you absolutely nowhere at all
00:02.35azraelolol
00:02.36azraelonice
00:02.39Xinhuanthat's because it only records _G taints
00:02.43zwiRbeLhey guys, does anyone of you use the addon "DispelReporter" ?
00:02.47Zeksieyep
00:02.56azraeloWhat's it do?
00:02.57Xinhuanit doesn't record taints that result from replacing/hooking frame functions or event functions
00:03.21break19Zeksie: isn't that how -most- debug info winds up tho? useless info that makes you run in circles?
00:03.37NeoTronso I guess JWU cannot delete unused libraries
00:03.43PolarinaXinhuan: I want it to log taint from function closures..
00:03.47NeoTronwhen I have addons with the libs embedded
00:03.47zwiRbeLperfect, maybe you can help me with my problem. the addon is definately installed and enabled but i don't get any chatmessages
00:04.11Zeksieand to be honest, i think my solution would have been better at the time, to throw an event at the time the taint occurs, so you can track back thru debugstack(), disabable the same way the taint logging is
00:04.15pastamancerazraelo: I thought you'd be familiar with taint by now
00:04.21PolarinazwiRbeL: The author of that addon is so kind to not implement such annoyance. Be happy about it! :D
00:04.29azraelopastamancer: i was waiting for your dumbass to respond!
00:04.38azraelo;)
00:04.42pastamancerwas eating dinner
00:04.44azraelohaha
00:04.57azraeloI ate oatmeal for dinner
00:05.07break19NeoTron: it doesnt recognize embedded libs as libs in and of themselves.. only as part of the containing addon..
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00:13.29azraelohey zeskie, you're the x-perl author, right?
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00:18.39Zeksieye
00:19.03Zeksiea tired x-perl author who's going to bed ;)
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00:19.18azraeloheh, k
00:19.18azraelottyl
00:19.27Zeksie;)
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00:28.34HebesHey quick question, Im looking for some type of addon that would keep track of looted items/gold from a particular zone.  Any idea if there is something out there?
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00:39.59xyuhey,  who here pulls archimonde on top of the hill for the "fire" pathing thing, can someone explain it to me?
00:40.07xyuFire cannot travel to different sections of ground or something
00:40.45doc^blupnoone
00:41.14Josh_Borkei remember that
00:41.16xyunah someone had a video of archi on the hillside. in order to trivialize the encounter.  
00:41.18Josh_Borkeit was an e person
00:41.31Josh_Borkeyou have to deal with a fire on the grass during the pull
00:41.48Arrowmasterwe are doing that right now
00:41.56Arrowmasteralthough we just had a fire come up the hill
00:42.03Arrowmasterbut most parts of the hill it cant come up
00:42.20xyunor down?
00:42.23xyuto the raid
00:42.35Arrowmasterright
00:42.53Arrowmastersome tank him in the hills and stay on the ground, we tank him on the ground and stay in the hills
00:43.07xyuso the concept is just pull archi up the hill or put the raid on the hill
00:43.10xyuoki
00:43.42xyuwhat about melee?  what would they do?  nothing different?  ( i dont play a melee)
00:44.01Josh_Borkethey would run for their lives
00:44.19Arrowmasterwe tank him in a spot where melee stands on a hill and attacks him from behind
00:44.20doc^blupoh, google finds it fast^^
00:44.30zwiRbeLhey guys, do one of you use the addon "DispelReporter" ?
00:45.08Arrowmasterlets see we are directly north of the archi skull on the cartographer instance map
00:45.57CIA-903crashkurs * r64473 10FuBar_ChannelwatchFu/ (7 files in 2 dirs):
00:45.57CIA-9FuBar_ChannelwatchFu:
00:45.57CIA-9initial commit
00:45.57CIA-9- display players in user-defined channels
00:46.06xyuoki.  we've been doing it normally  w/ people dodging and weaving, but i'd like to give this a shot today.
00:46.08Xinhuanmy guild kills him "normally", aka tank him in the middle, spread out in a circle around him
00:46.10thulhttp://fc02.deviantart.com/fs27/i/2008/073/8/2/Chess_by_cainadamsson.jpg <- todays portrait
00:46.14xyusince we're likely not not be doing hyjal for much longer.
00:46.33xyunot = to be
00:46.35Arrowmasterwe suck at randomness so we started doing it this way
00:46.46Arrowmasterwe killed him before normal way
00:46.47Hebesis there an addon to track the drops from chests on a particular zone?
00:46.51Arrowmasterback to boss fight
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00:47.25DashkalHebes:
00:47.41DashkalHebes: I don't know of an addon to do that, but world chests just drop world loot appropriate for the level
00:48.29HebesDashkal: Yeah what im trying to do is keep track of whats been dropping on a particular chest, for example lets say im farming MT for chests i want to keep track of what has dropped
00:49.13Xinhuanopen a new chat window
00:49.16Xinhuanand only show Loot in it
00:49.52Hebesi guess i could parse that information and export it into a text file but never done any addon programming
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00:50.15Hebesso i have no idea where i would have to start
00:51.31NeoTronso wait if you stand in the hills you don't need to doge fire?
00:51.45Orionshockxloot monitor will keep track per session
00:51.52Orionshockbut it keeps track of everything
00:52.02doc^blupthe fire doesn't go uphill it seems
00:52.10doc^blupjust google
00:52.12NeoTronthat sounds like a hax
00:52.27NeoTronalthough we do pretty good now
00:52.54CIA-903crashkurs * r64474 10FuBar_ChannelwatchFu/:
00:52.54CIA-9FuBar_ChannelwatchFu:
00:52.54CIA-9- Libs added
00:53.38Hebesyeah i took a look at xloot maybe ill just check out code and work from there, i just want to activate the mod while on a certain instance and track the loot dropped
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00:55.31doc^blupyou can also stand on the root of the worldtree and rangedps him down
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00:56.50doc^blupfound a video, it's from a china server -_-
00:57.48Gnarfozdoc^blup: link :<
00:58.33doc^bluphave it on another pc
00:58.48Gnarfozwe struggle at Arschimonde, I'm tempted to change stuff around by now. we're trying to do the classic Archimonde in the middle + groups of ppl spread around him
00:58.52doc^blupboring anyway
00:58.54mytoshas anyone recently had a bug with pitbull where the portrait will still show shadows even when faded out with the combat fader
01:03.01CIA-903ckknight * r64475 10LibDogTag-3.0/ (15 files in 3 dirs):
01:03.01CIA-9LibDogTag-3.0 - remove a lot of unneeded localization data.
01:03.01CIA-9- make the library creation process a bit simpler
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01:29.54CIA-903pastamancer * r64476 10Grid/ (GridCore.lua GridStatusRange.lua): Grid: handle profile changing better.
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01:34.07JaxonThis may be an old issue with a simple fix, but Clearfont gets blocked from doing badthings when I try to set raid assists or raid tanks in the raid tab of the social window.
01:36.03Matrix110Jaxon
01:36.12Matrix110Design.lua
01:36.32Matrix110goto section B
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01:37.07Matrix110UIDROPDOWNMENU_DEFAULT_TEXT_HEIGHT = 12 * scale
01:37.12Matrix110search that line
01:37.14Matrix110add a -- infront
01:37.18Matrix110and no taint :D
01:37.29JaxonCommend out Dropdown menu text height, check
01:37.30JaxonThanks :D
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01:38.36CIA-903pastamancer * r64477 10Grid/GridStatusRange.lua: Grid: typo
01:38.39JaxonWow, the lua file is commented with just that.  Informative though not a place I'd look in the first place.
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01:50.19Arrowmasterarchimonde is getting fucking retarded
01:50.38Arrowmasterhes finger of deathing people less than 40 yards away from him
01:50.44Arrowmasterand airbursting our tank
01:51.23doc^blupthen you do something wrong
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01:54.38Xinhuanairbursted tank = melee standing too close to him
01:54.43Xinhuanfinger of death has no range ;p
01:54.57Xinhuanor rather, has unlimited range, casted when nobody is in melee range of boss
01:55.01Hrackenyou fighting him near the water or something?
01:55.20Hrackenah.. ya.. that'd do it too.. airburst tank.. no melee nearby
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01:55.30Hrackenie - melee got airbursted too cuz they were on top of him :)
01:56.13Arrowmasterno the tank is getting airbursted, not melee next to him
01:56.23Xinhuanit can happen during a pull
01:56.28keissyeah
01:56.29Xinhuanif nobody else is on the aggro table yet
01:56.30Arrowmasterits happening after the pull
01:56.47Xinhuanif he airbursted the tank, then a melee is over 100% aggro, but below 110%
01:57.03Arrowmasternobody near tank on aggro
01:57.08Xinhuanor a melee got airbursted, and he was standing too close to the tank, so he got bursted too
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01:59.06Arrowmasterbut its after the pull, nobody near tank on threat, and the tank getting airbursted not somebody else next to the tank
02:00.30JoshBorkedoes necromicon2 work?
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02:10.12Gngskdoes cowtip make anyone else's client skip for a sec while it's loading the first tooltip?
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02:12.37doc^blupparrot uses quite some cpu time even when ooc
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02:16.57Hebesanyone remembers the url for a website where it tracks what you are doing in game and upadtes it for your friends to see.  Last time i checked it it was in private beta but cant remember the name of the site
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02:19.15AntiarcRupture?
02:21.07Hebesthat would be it, thanks :)
02:21.29XinhuanTwo children were sitting outside a clinic. One of them was crying very loudly.
02:21.35Xinhuan2nd Child: Why are you crying?
02:21.35Xinhuan1st Child: I came here for a blood test.
02:21.45Xinhuan2nd Child: So? Are you afraid?
02:21.45Xinhuan1st Child: No. For the blood test, they cut my finger.
02:21.45XinhuanAt this, the second one started crying profusely.
02:21.57XinhuanThe first one was astonished.
02:21.57Xinhuan1st Child: Why are you crying now?
02:21.57Xinhuan2nd Child: I came for a urine test !
02:22.12pastamancerurine trouble now!
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02:24.59Orionshockyou should not be able to put gray's on the AH
02:25.48WobWorkAntiarc: what's Rupture?
02:25.59AntiarcWhat Hebes was asking about
02:26.01AntiarcI think
02:26.08WobWorkgot a url?
02:26.12Antiarcrupture.com
02:26.26Arrowmasterthe addon is so shitty
02:26.27WobWorkwell that was easy =)
02:26.29Arrowmasteror atleast it was
02:26.34XinhuanAntiarc, combat log progress?
02:26.35AntiarcYeah, it was bad last I looked
02:26.36Arrowmasterspammy as hell on the addon channel
02:26.41AntiarcXinhuan: Heh, been working on paying work
02:26.49Xinhuanhaha
02:27.17Xinhuanpaying work ftl ;p
02:28.06Xinhuanwell the background downloader is already downloading so i expect the patch to be within a week or two
02:28.15Xinhuanfinalize stuff qucikly ;p
02:28.48AntiarcCairenn believes it'll be the 25th
02:29.13kebinusandoes recount or assessment track spellcasts like hwo many times polymorph was cast
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02:31.36Amadeoshh
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02:42.03Findoes spell haste affect the global cooldown on the PTRs?
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02:43.26doc^blupit should
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02:51.09Fincan anyone point me in the direction of a good overview / description / source of information regarding spell haste and how it affects the global cooldown in 2.4, please?
02:54.21Cryectthe patch notes?
02:54.48Cryectexplains exactly how it works
02:56.10FinI've read the patch notes, they just say that spell haste will reduce the global cooldown down to a minimum of 1s
02:56.16Cryectyes
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02:56.27Cryectand it works the exact same as how spell haste works on spells
02:56.32Cryectsame percent reduction
02:56.55Finit did not say that in the patch notes. thank you!
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03:07.04ArrowmasterFin: you need over 700 spell haste to get to the 1 sec gcd
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03:07.50FinArrowmaster: woah
03:08.10Arrowmasterthats how much it takes to get a 33% reduction
03:08.23Finis it a linear reduction?
03:08.46doc^blupyes
03:09.04Diaothat's with no buffs though
03:09.09Diaoadd in IV or BL or PI
03:09.37Findo those buffs affect your spell haste?
03:09.49Arrowmasterthey effect your cast time
03:09.52Arrowmasterso they should
03:10.08Arrowmastersince the blues even said you would never hit 1 sec gcd from just spell haste alone
03:10.18Estilinc imba mages
03:10.22Estilwhere is priest buff
03:10.27Estilor warlock
03:10.28Diaothere is
03:10.30DiaoPI got changed
03:10.30Diao:P
03:10.36Arrowmasternah spell haste is crap unlike melee haste
03:10.53Arrowmasterit always will be crap unless they buff it
03:11.03Fincheers for the info
03:11.20Arrowmasterits only good in really large amounts such as from buffs and not static amounts from gear
03:11.23EstilPI is not a buff for my priest :(
03:11.31Estilit's making us intoa  buffbot like shaman :(
03:11.53Finmaking us into buffbots?
03:12.00Arrowmasterthe PI change is a major nerf to teh skill
03:12.11Arrowmasterits crap
03:12.15Fin6+ group buffs per 10-man raid wipe is enough for me!
03:12.18Estilit's crap for us
03:12.20Fin-+
03:12.24Estilknowing Kalgan playing mage
03:12.31Estilhe did it so his mage can enjoy the power of new PI
03:12.31Arrowmasterits crap for mages too
03:12.43Estilwell, mages can make better use of it
03:12.44Estilthan priests can
03:12.54Finfuck em
03:13.20Arrowmasterits crap for everybody its a crap talent
03:13.25Arrowmasterthat nobody should even have
03:13.28Finspeaking of mages
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03:13.36Finwhy don't they ever use amplify magic
03:13.42Estilbecause it also increases damage taken
03:13.49FinI mean, on melee mobs
03:13.58Arrowmasterit takes forever to buff with
03:14.04Arrowmasterwe used to use it on gruul
03:14.04Estilyou can't use them on unfriendly targets afaik
03:14.05Finthat don't heal or get healed or anything
03:14.16WobWorkgruul's a good example
03:14.33Estiloh melee mobs
03:14.36EstilI get it :p
03:14.43Estilmaegs are just lazy
03:14.52WobWorks'true
03:14.54Diaoit uses a lot of mana lol
03:14.56Finah, yeah, that sounds about right
03:15.10Finpff
03:15.11WobWorkI find as a buffing class, I miss not being level 60
03:15.21Finque
03:15.35Finsurely you're not level 60 now?
03:15.35Estilpeople don't generally bug me for buffs
03:15.37WobWorksingle cast buffs are irritating =P
03:15.43Estilbut every BG I see people going "OMG TABLE PLZZZ"
03:15.48Estileven when we don't even have a mage in our BG team
03:15.54WobWorkfin: yes, I'm not level 60 on my druid =)
03:16.10Finwhile we're on the subject, where's the group Endless Breath and Detect Invisibility
03:16.16Estilno Fin
03:16.21Estilif that happened, someone will whine about it
03:16.24Estil"waa waa warlock buff"
03:16.26FinWobWork: problem solved! you miss it no longer.
03:16.40Fineveryone whines about locks anyway
03:16.49Finfor good reason, granted, but still
03:17.00EstilI remember 10+ page topic
03:17.01WobWorkof course
03:17.05Estilabout mage whining about those very spells in arena
03:17.09Estilacting as "dispel fodder"
03:17.19Finthat's why I want the group buff!
03:17.25WobWorkby 'miss not being level 60" I mean "miss being > level 60"
03:17.39Finand for when people go get their Karazhan key fragment thing from SV
03:17.53EstilI thought I've seen everything... whine about endless breath and detect invis ? I mean, come on :(
03:17.56Finjust being an arse, I apologise
03:18.09break19Estil: many people join bgs -just- for free manna biscuits, grab themselves a few hundred then /afk and go do some instance.
03:18.13FinI bet they wouldn't whine if they won more often
03:18.17EstilI've seen those, break19
03:18.21Finshit!
03:18.23Finthat's a brilliant idea!
03:18.28break19fin: lol
03:18.28WobWorkhehe
03:18.29Finseriously, that's ace!
03:18.33FinI never thought of that
03:18.36Estilpeople in my guild do it too, they take the biscuit, quit, and go farm
03:18.38Estilin pve
03:18.44break19yep.
03:18.44Estilor run dungeons
03:18.45Finaw, you ruined my pun!
03:19.05Finit's just that when people do that, well, it just takes the biscuit it does
03:19.11break19<- never done it
03:19.20break19fin: keep trying bubba..
03:19.22break19lol
03:20.54Diaolol
03:21.12break19well. I'd better hit the sack, try to get at least a few hours in before the little 'un wakes up at the asscrack of dawn
03:21.20break19I've seen dawn's crack.. not pretty.
03:21.33Diaohttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5287371664&sid=1 <- lol
03:21.36break19.. night
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03:25.51aestil1080p = win
03:26.05aestili wonder how hard it would be to set up my lap top to my 60" tv.
03:26.48Finyou'd have to have quite a big lap
03:26.55Estilhi guys, I want to see buffs to warlock class.
03:27.07Finand why not!
03:27.20Fisker-buff holy paladins
03:28.18Estilret paladins are scary nowadays
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03:28.22Estilif they are geared, in pvp
03:28.32aestilFisker-: why for?
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03:36.34mjchmm... trying to find a good balance between prot and ret for my pally at 60
03:36.43mjcwant to be able to tank noobstances but also want to solo :/
03:37.32Diaogo all ret and dump the rest into prot with imp RF
03:38.07Diaowait i lie
03:38.09doc^blupjust get a tank suit, learn to tank, done
03:38.12Diaoyou can't get CS and imp RF
03:38.13Diaolol
03:38.16Diaoat 60
03:38.48doc^blupret is like fury
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03:41.41Estilso I'm reading mage forums
03:41.45Estilman that's a lot of crying going on there
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03:56.24Xinhuanmage crying?
03:56.24Xinhuanabout what
03:57.15Tem8.7% representation might have something to do with that...
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03:57.37Finque
03:57.50Xinhuanthe fact is that normalising the 2200+ by population is a dumb thing to do
03:58.13Arrowmastermaking any changes to wow just for pvp is a dumb thing to do
03:58.15Xinhuanbecause the ppl capable of reaching 2200+ doesn't need population normalising
03:58.31TemXinhuan, even the unnormalized  values are dismally low
03:58.52Xinhuanstill its an unwarranted distortion
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03:59.50Estilsomething about
04:00.07Estil"waa we're utterly worthless support class and we are fading into obsecurity in pvp and pve"
04:00.12Estil"and we hate warlocks!"
04:00.30Xinhuanany competent rogue can smash a warlock just like how a warlock can smash a mage
04:00.39TemI disagree
04:00.44Finfight!
04:01.24Temrogues don't have a button that makes the warlock do 30% of his normal damage
04:01.24Temwhile allowing the rogue to go tend to other things
04:01.32doc^blupi'm a warrior, i get smashed by anyone
04:01.34Temput your pet on a mage and he's useless
04:01.37Xinhuana rogue is capable of locking a lock down to doing 0 damage
04:01.40Estilum
04:01.41Finflower arrangement
04:01.44Estilwarlocks are also useless with a pet on :(
04:01.46Estilthey can't cast CC
04:02.01Finwhat about a lock with a succubus out?
04:02.06Estilsuccubus can be 2 shot
04:02.09Estilwith anybody in competent gear
04:02.14Estilor even one
04:02.20Tem*shrug*
04:02.23Fintwo shots is enough to fear + dot a rogue
04:02.26TemI don't feel like having this argument
04:02.33Finaw
04:02.35TemI'm sleepy
04:02.47Tem|afkBasically, fuck off, warlocks.
04:02.50Tem|afkbuff mages
04:02.52Tem|afkkthx
04:02.55Estillol :(
04:02.59Tem|afkoh
04:03.00Tem|afkalso
04:03.01Estilget some spell penetration gear
04:03.01Tem|afkQQ
04:03.04Estilthen you can own warlocks
04:03.26Finell
04:03.28Fin+w
04:03.33Finyou can penetrate warlocks, at least
04:03.34*** kick/#wowace [Estil!n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem] by Tem|afk (never. ever. tell a mage to get spell pen.)
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04:03.40Estil:(
04:03.48Tem|afkoh damn you and your auto join
04:03.53Estilwarlocks get spell penetration too though
04:04.04Tem|afkbecause it's useful for them
04:04.23Tem|afkas a frost mage, spell penetration is fucking useless
04:04.36FinI'm sorry, did you just say spell penetration was useful?
04:04.46FinI believe I might have been hallucinating for a second there
04:04.51Estilwarlocks take it
04:04.56Tem|afkFin, it can have a purpose for shadow priests and warlocks
04:04.56Estilto offset all the anti-shadow stuff out there
04:04.58Tem|afkin pvp only
04:05.06Estilyea, it's pvp only stat
04:05.27Tem|afkbecause before you couldn't switch gear, people would pop on shadow resist gear when they saw a warlock team
04:05.29Finwell, yes, I'd say if it did have a purpose it would only be for PvP, but, I still don't know any situation where I'd get it over something else - except perhaps on the cloak
04:05.41Tem|afkFin, me either
04:05.45Tem|afkhence the /kick
04:05.55Estilyou only need 60 total spell penetration
04:06.01Finneed?
04:06.05Tem|afklol need
04:06.12Finnow, we must fight
04:06.13Tem|afkyeah, I'm done here.  Far too tired.
04:06.14Finen guarde!
04:06.16Estilthat negates demonology warlock's resists to spells :(
04:06.22Xinhuansomeone tell blizz to remove the 18 spell pene from my T6 shoulders kthx
04:06.49Estilthere are S3 pieces that come with spell penetration
04:06.56EstilI believe the vindicator rings come with them too
04:07.07Estiladd enchant and I think you can hit nearly 60
04:07.23Xinhuanat least spell pene is "somewhat useful" situationally in pvp, but pve? LOLOL
04:08.33EstilI miss old curse of shadow
04:08.45Estilor elements
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04:12.17Finwhat was the difference?
04:12.35Fin-wa+i
04:12.58Xinhuanschool vulnerabilities
04:13.19Estilold curse of shadow/elements
04:13.21doc^blupcan i make icon like black&white?
04:13.25doc^blup+s
04:13.26Estilhad an effect known as "negative resistances"
04:13.43Estilthis caused some crazy damage to happen
04:14.09Estilwith curse of shadow, some trinkets and okay spelldamage (we're talking about 200 spelldmgish here in raid gears)
04:14.14Estilshadowbolt could crit for 4k+
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04:14.30MentalPowerdoc^blup: maybe
04:14.41MentalPoweryou can try playing with :SetVertexColor()
04:14.48MentalPowerbut I'm not sure that will work
04:14.54Estilnow, curse of shadows/elements do not allow resistances to go below 0, and only provide flat damage increase (10% afaik)
04:15.04doc^blupyeah, rhought about that and grey
04:15.38MentalPowerand?
04:16.08doc^blupnothing so far. asking here is much faster than trying :)
04:17.42MentalPoweryou can also try altering blend modes
04:17.51MentalPowertho if neither of those work, you're out of luck
04:18.34Yssarilvertex color should work (set it to white should give you a BW icon i think)
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04:28.54doc^blupthere seems to be a :SetDesaturated(x)
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04:36.51ZhinjioGood evening, folks.
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04:47.58KreigerSup guys. I don't suppose there's a specific channel for Bidder, is there? i had a question about dkpmon and bidder
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04:49.39Ordog2.4 preloading Oo
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04:50.41Ordoganybody else gettin that stuff? patch next maintainace?
04:51.05Ordogabsolutely uncalled for! 134 badges to go! -.-
04:52.13Ordoghope they do it as usual and its still 3 weeks
04:52.24sacarasccan't wait for 2.4... so much easier to get me the primal nether i need
04:52.25Kreigerhave you BEEN on Ptr?
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04:56.57Ordogit was kinda funny how easy it was to get a group together, since everybody was thinking "omg its gonna be hard to get a group together" ^^
04:57.47Ordogwell the "it doesnt really matter since it will be gone soon" aspect played into it but it was nice :)
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04:59.50Zhinjiois there a way to do a while loop, but still refresh the data I get back from a "pairs" call?
05:01.06Xinhuanno
05:01.54Zhinjio*cry*
05:01.57Zhinjiook...
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05:02.13Zhinjiobut you can prematurely break out of a for with break, right?
05:02.18Xinhuanya
05:02.25Zhinjiook, thats acceptable.
05:05.15Orionshock.. how does one itterate over a frame:GetChildren() return?
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05:05.36Orionshockdoes it return a table or string list?
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05:06.09Xinhuanit returns X arguments.
05:06.21Xinhuanwhere X is the number of children
05:06.29Xinhuanso you need X variables to hold them
05:06.41Xinhuansince X is unknown, you normally pass it into a vararg function
05:06.52Xinhuandostuff(frame:GetChildren())
05:06.58Xinhuanwhere dostuff() is something like
05:07.19Xinhuanfunction dostuff(...) for i = 1, select('#', ...) do blah end end
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05:08.30XinhuanX can be as many as thousands of children btw
05:08.42Orionshockhumm....
05:09.42theoddone33anyone ever leveled as disc/holy?
05:10.31Finif you just want to be different, you could try clawing your eyes out and posting the photos on the internet
05:10.48theoddone33mostly I want to play the spec that's most interesting to me
05:10.50Finit might be more fun
05:10.52theoddone33but shadow is interesting too
05:10.55Finwell
05:11.01Finyou're talking about levelling
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05:11.22Finhey I'm oversomethinging anyway, but you get my point :)
05:12.17theoddone33dunno, at low levels I don't see mind blast smite smite wand as much different from mind blast flay flay wand
05:13.07Finreally low levels, no
05:13.21Finover 25 and up, Shadow makes a big difference
05:13.37theoddone33once you get weaving?
05:13.49theoddone33I imagine that it pulls pretty far ahead though, yeah
05:13.52Finthat doesn't really make too much difference, in my opinion
05:14.04Finit's easy enough to kill the mobs you'll be fighting anyway
05:14.11Finno reason not to get it though
05:14.31doc^blupsmite works, shadow is just twice as fast
05:15.11doc^blupbc you can run and reg mana at the same time
05:15.43theoddone33spirit tap is a ust either way
05:16.20theoddone33shadow has what might be the best first 10 talent points in the game
05:19.49doc^blupspirit tap is the most useful talent in the lowlvl area
05:20.39Fintwo points in Healing Focus is damn well spent also
05:21.01theoddone33true
05:21.04doc^blupyou don't heal in combat with lv20
05:21.21FinI can almost guarantee it'll save your life at some point
05:21.46theoddone33had a friend who was a really great priest once
05:21.53theoddone33he swore by getting shadowform asap
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05:23.08theoddone33but at level 40 he went and filled out wand spec and some other stuff
05:23.32theoddone33though come to think of it that was before the expanded trees
05:23.35doc^blupyou wand a lot as a priest
05:23.53FinI usually get wand specialisation
05:24.04Finfor levelling I'd say it's very useful
05:24.20doc^blupget wand spec, respec at 40 for sfrm and get it again
05:24.22theoddone33absolutely
05:24.27theoddone33hmm
05:24.29theoddone33not a bad plan
05:24.50theoddone33think I'll do that after grim reach or after mind flay
05:24.52theoddone33one of the two
05:24.57sacarasci levelled to 55 as straight disc (first char, didn't really know what i was doing) was quite good...
05:25.31doc^bluptry leveling as a warrior who doesn't get nice weapons out of the ah
05:25.53theoddone33I leveled as a dagger rogue
05:25.57theoddone33which wasn't that bad but eh
05:26.13theoddone33you can't really make mistakes that are too bad when you roll a rogue
05:26.27doc^blupwarrior is the worst^^ low dmg, much dmg inc
05:27.31theoddone33yeah my warrior just hit 60
05:27.42theoddone33and I'm playing a level 14 priest instead :(
05:27.43Zhinjiolemme guess, "#" as a length operator only works for numeric, sequential indexed tables, right?
05:29.10dylanmZhinjio: Yeah.
05:30.56Zhinjiotht sucks
05:30.58Zhinjioer, that.
05:33.28Zhinjiowhy am I so fond of using non-numeric indexes.
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05:34.36doc^blupbc it's so pretty to look at^^
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05:45.34doc^blupthose new "minimalistic" addons aren't that minimalistic
05:45.49doc^bluprBars is 10kb and takes more cou time than ace2^^
05:45.55doc^blupcpu
05:46.44doc^blupdoing 5 _G calls in OnUpdate isn't nice
05:46.45Lukianyeah that's why I stopped using addons like archud, metrognome chews up a bucketload of cpu time
05:47.17FinZhinjio: I'm with you mate!
05:47.19Finfuck numbers!
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06:06.52Zhinjiook, I give in. I'm going to maintain a sorted version of the players list that is sorted alphabetically, and is indexed numerically.
06:07.15Zhinjiocuz otherwise, I think I'm going to go crazy with all the hoops I'm having to jump through.
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06:24.33doc^blupwhere can i get bartender4?
06:24.49Gngskyou have an svn client?
06:25.05doc^bluptortoise
06:25.11Gngskit's in branches
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06:26.45doc^blupthx
06:28.21doc^blupi just guessed, it was bartender4^^
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07:27.39NeoTronman was painful trying to teach a new tank illidan add tanking
07:27.47NeoTronafter 2.5 hrs we swapped back to regular tanks..
07:28.07NeoTronafter that we went to gruul to get DST for the dpsers
07:28.10NeoTronand we actually got one
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07:29.28nevcairiellearning new tanks on illidan is painful
07:29.33nevcairielbut you need to do it sometime..
07:29.59nevcairielwe have 3 flame tanks now and 3 MTs that can tank illidan himself .. i suppose we never run short of tanks now
07:33.31Fisker-i has sickness
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07:35.25Fisker-cast it on me :(
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07:36.50NeoTronhe kept making the elemental flame the raid
07:39.04theoddone33funny that gruul still drops an item that powerful
07:39.10theoddone33or rather, funny that nothing's replaced it
07:39.18NeoTronindeed
07:39.31NeoTronwent for more DKP than 95% of all other items go for
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08:01.43Grum+<theoddone33> funny that gruul still drops an item that powerful <-- the only reason t6 guilds still farm that sucker :P
08:02.00theoddone33but they shouldn't have to
08:02.07theoddone33oh well
08:02.18theoddone33it's like t6 paladins farming kara for that libram
08:02.41ncd|Aileenhey, the kara libram is uber :)
08:02.46theoddone33or I've heard similar things about some hunter weapon
08:02.54theoddone33yeah, it's never dropped for me :(
08:03.02theoddone33though I'd prefer the lurker one
08:03.19ncd|Aileenmh, I use about 5 different libram in each bossfight
08:03.34ncd|Aileenor even more if you have to dispell
08:03.45theoddone33heh I'd like the naxx/aq40 ones too
08:03.53theoddone33still using blessed book of nagrand
08:03.59ncd|Aileenmh, yes :(
08:04.03ncd|Aileensame here.
08:04.04theoddone33but I don't really pve
08:04.21Fisker-you can chance librams in fight? :o
08:04.24Fisker-change*
08:04.25ncd|Aileensure
08:04.27Fisker-wtf
08:04.28theoddone33yaeh
08:04.32theoddone33just like a weapon swap
08:04.34theoddone33but better
08:04.37ncd|Aileenwhile casting you aren't even affected from the gcd
08:04.38theoddone33you can change them mid cast
08:04.46Fisker-i didn't know :(
08:04.57Fisker-I kept trying to balance which libram to use each time
08:05.02Fisker-curse you!
08:05.35theoddone33I hear rumors that there's some mod you can setup to auto-swap them for you
08:05.41theoddone33rumors... all rumors
08:05.41Fisker-QQ
08:05.49ncd|Aileenmh, there is Librameister
08:05.51Fisker-the cleanse libram drops in AQ40
08:06.03theoddone33yes, and the decent FoL libram drops in naxx
08:06.15ncd|Aileenand I rewrote it to support more Librams like Libram of Mending etc.
08:06.16theoddone33+87 instead of +79 or something
08:07.25ncd|AileenLooking forward to 2.4 where the buff from Libram of Mending lasts 30s, so I don't lose that much hps because I have to equip it every 10secs :/
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08:10.16OrionshockZeksie: ping
08:10.21Zeksiefelt like 3 hrs :(
08:10.40Zeksiewassup
08:10.57Orionshockhad an error from bug sack earlier today bout ur addon
08:11.03Zeksiego on
08:11.12Orionshocksomething in the 3k on the # errors
08:11.17Orionshock... but got to go find it...
08:12.50Orionshock... and it didn't save...
08:12.53Orionshockfk
08:12.54Zeksie:|
08:13.10Zeksiewhen did it happen? was it erm.. sec
08:13.29Orionshockin 5man party, just exiting combat
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08:14.52Zeksiewas it the GetBlessingFromtType error?
08:14.59Orionshockno
08:15.07Orionshockdont think
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08:16.40Zeksieapart from that, how's it going with it?
08:17.06Zeksieseems most of the kinks have been worked out from the conversion to make it works with modules.xml.
08:17.21Orionshockhehe
08:17.48Orionshockonly thing i could remember is some localizations missing and also i can't see any of the whispers
08:17.56Orionshockie: WIM is not showing them
08:18.02Orionshockbut i think that's more a wim thing
08:18.29Zeksieoh... i used the same hooking code that CraftList2 does, admitadly untested, but...
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08:18.51Zeksiei'll grab wim a bit later and try it
08:18.59Orionshockhook = display, WIM operates off events
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08:20.58Zeksiewell, it's WIM_ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler instead of ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler. so it's not so different than default chat
08:22.01Orionshockwell i'd like to see the spam, thats what i was getting at
08:22.42Zeksiethe reply spam from !buff queries you mean?
08:23.24Zeksiewhy would you want that? :)
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08:23.39Orionshockim OCD about shit like that :D
08:24.39Zeksiewell. in that case, it's working right, cos you weren't meant to see the whispers. (not awake yet)
08:24.40Orionshockand btw, you need your talent inspect thing-a-ma-jig to play nicely with other addons :P
08:24.59Zeksiewell. it tries too. but it seems to stutter at times, i'm looking at it
08:25.14Zeksieit does only query when there's no other queries going thru, but i might have missed something
08:25.42Zeksieand it's in two seperate places, so I should really re-do some of htat.
08:27.39Orionshockmight also consider intergration with rock's talent quiry
08:28.01Zeksieit does. as well, but there's a fairly small percentage of ppl that respond to that
08:28.08Zeksieat least in my guild
08:28.35Orionshocklol
08:28.42Orionshockget ppl to update fubar :P
08:29.20Zeksiethey're hard work :)
08:30.07Orionshockalso the pally config needs an override
08:31.06nevcairieland it needs a name that makes it more attractive to people =P
08:31.17Zeksiebleh
08:31.20Zeksieit's a great name
08:31.56nevcairielon first glance, i would not consider it a serious and good addon because of the name
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08:32.12Orionshockand tbh, the blessing manager needs to be changed to Buffs Manager, handles all assignments not just pally buffs
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08:33.13Zeksieperhaps. but it's simpler to manage blessings cos there's like 3 buff mods that handle it now, and 2 of them use comms. so it's not a big leap
08:33.22Zeksiebut generic buff mods, that's a different story
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08:33.49Orionshocktbh it ain't a buff mod, EBB is a buff mod, CT_Buffs, is a buff mod
08:34.00Orionshockyour is a raid management tool ie like pally power
08:34.11nevcairielisnt blessings really the only thing thats complicated enough to need management?
08:34.15Zeksieterminoligy. don't detract from the statement ;)
08:34.33Zeksieyeah nev, that's the other point
08:34.35Orionshockyes nevcairiel , but visability of the other assignments is more what i was getting at
08:34.52Zeksiewell, that's a different story, and i can do that quite easily
08:35.13Orionshockalso use the notifications area more
08:35.29Zeksiemore often? or for more info?
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08:36.03OrionshockIE i being a druid, i see the notification in the chat frame about being assigned g1 / g2 for mark, but i rarely see CF1
08:36.24Orionshockso i miss the assignment
08:36.40Zeksiedo you need to be told it if it's going to auto buff it?
08:36.50Zeksieit's more of a courtesy statemet
08:37.18Orionshockno, just that type of information needs more visablity because vent is a clusterfk of idiots that talk over each other. /ra is the same.
08:37.25Zeksieheh
08:37.26Orionshockif it don't yell they ignore it :D
08:37.32Zeksie:)
08:37.46Zeksiei have to go out for an hour or so, will be back in a bit
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08:45.20CIA-9Squeenix: 03tekkub 07master * r75f15f45f9 10Squeenix/Squeenix.lua: Fix world map button location
08:45.31Kulaarstupidest ? :)
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08:56.00Kulaarhmm GetSpellCooldown(spellName | spellID, "bookType") retrieves 3 values, what are they for?
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08:57.46Kulaarok got it http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSpellCooldown :)
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10:16.06StanzillaGeneral Settings => Font
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10:55.58ZeksieAnadale_: ?
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11:12.01Anadale_yep
11:12.01Anadale_here
11:12.14Anadale_Two thinks about ZOMGB
11:12.18Anadale_*things
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11:12.52Anadale_1: There are still errors about comparing boolean with number, yesterday I've hacked the code in the middle of the raid to get rid of them
11:12.56OrionshockZeksie: it looks like other clients are remapping assignments at a 3 min interval, i (druid, raid lead) assigned out our raid style buffs, then with in ~3 mins, the pally in the group (running zomgbuffs, not assistant) started broadcasting the default assignments
11:13.21Anadale_It seems that pala.improvedWisdom etc are not always numbers
11:14.20Anadale_So i've changed most of the entries to something like this: (type( pala.improvedMight ) == "number" and pala.improvedMight > 0 or pala.improvedMight)
11:14.39Anadale_After that i've not seen any errors
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11:15.54Zeksieyeah, caught that last nite in raid
11:15.59Zeksieit fixes the values now
11:16.05Anadale_2: Paladins CL complained that he can't change template when he is not leader (he got assistant)
11:16.26Zeksieit should allow when assistant.
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11:16.37Zeksiein fact, it allows all paladins to
11:16.53Anadale_3: During the raid we've got two respecs: ferral druid -> resto druid and holy pala -> prot pala
11:17.04Zeksiei thought it was far better if one pala hears someone yell for osmething that it just gets changed, rather than waiting for someone who's promoted to change it
11:17.26Anadale_blessmanager didn't catched those respecs
11:17.45Zeksieit won't repoll talents if it has them, no
11:17.57Zeksiei thought it was unnecessary work
11:17.59Anadale_is it possible to add a button "check talents" or auto check them when "generate" is pressed
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11:18.09Zeksiepossibly, yes
11:18.11Anadale_it is necessary, all right
11:18.33Anadale_and last, but not least, my fellow druids :)
11:18.38OrionshockZeksie: even so, it should respect the assignemnts bcasted by an assistant+
11:19.01Zeksieyes, but in what raid do the assignments remain static for the duration?
11:19.33Orionshockright, but if i set assignments, it shouldn't go back and apply a new template
11:19.39Anadale_they change roles (tank-dd and vv) so often, that whispering +bok -bos is a little bit uncomfortable, imho
11:19.42Orionshock<PROTECTED>
11:19.52Anadale_Orionshock: +1
11:19.56ZeksieOrionshock, explain a bit more. cos this might be based on another bug i found last nite
11:20.13Anadale_I've also got it yesterday
11:20.15Orionshockour raids are a bit fk'ed some times as per usual
11:20.24Anadale_I (leader) set an assignments
11:20.33Orionshockeach pally is given a blessing and they do that ONE blessing the entire time
11:20.42Anadale_But then several times they were reset by someone
11:20.59OrionshockIE , our main pally does salv, the tank pally does class specific, one does bok,
11:21.29Orionshockif i set that in a template, it sends just fine.. but with in ~2-3 mins the other pally was b/casting the default template overriding the assignemnts i made
11:21.45Anadale_yep
11:22.00ZeksieOrionshock, yes, but had he done that intentionally, or just fucked up cos he didn't know how to use the mod?
11:22.10Orionshockunintentionaly
11:22.15Orionshockhe was rather dumb
11:22.27Orionshocknot sure if he found the blessings manager.
11:22.31Zeksieok.. so HOW did he do it unintentionally. cos this might again be the bug i found
11:23.02Orionshocknot sure..
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11:23.14Orionshocki don't think he was doing anything at all
11:23.24Zeksiesee how it plays out for a couple more days. i don't wanna make some sweaping changes based on someone's fuckup or a bug ;)
11:23.35Orionshocktrue
11:24.27Zeksiesay, we've been using this mod for several months without any issues like htis. a lot of these bugs have been caused by the necessity to make it work modular, and changing all the savedvars crap etc. it's just getting back to the stability it had before i posted it :|
11:24.44Orionshockhehe nice
11:24.52Anadale_it's normal, zeksie :)
11:25.01Zeksieyeah. just frustrating :)
11:25.06Orionshockalso, let me be (i think) one of the first to ask :D
11:25.06Anadale_so, back to my druids
11:25.14Orionshock...so Zeksie when you gona Ace3 it?
11:25.25Zeksienot the first to ask... :)
11:25.29[Ammo]zomg add the magic sauce!
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11:25.51Orionshock[Ammo]: :P
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11:25.58Anadale_is it possible to implement raid chat monitoring, so they will just send "!zomg druid/tank" and "!zomg druid/dd"
11:26.00Zeksiewhen i started it, there was no Ace3, and Rock was very early in dev. so it was ace2 from start, and I have no real need to change it atm
11:26.14Orionshockya ya
11:26.24Anadale_and all palas will switch their role instead of overriding concrete blessings?
11:26.49Orionshocki follow authors more than frameworsk, tho as i like to pride myself as a beta tester, im interested in projects that are moving over to rock/ace3 ect
11:26.54Zeksiedon't get what u mean. how would this work or be better?
11:27.15Anadale_ok
11:27.33Anadale_let's say that dd druid should have bos and bom
11:27.47Anadale_and tank druid should have bok and sanctuary
11:27.50Zeksiedunno how many druids you have that switch roles, we have just the one goes from dps to tank a lot. and he's been delighted with the whisper !buff requester
11:28.18Anadale_yep, but druid should learn who buffs what first
11:28.32Zeksiethey can just use !buff and it'll tell themn
11:28.34OrionshockAnadale_: called spec specific buffs, it is handled
11:28.49Orionshockunless the tank and the dps druid are switching places
11:29.04Anadale_yes, i know
11:29.11Anadale_we have 2 ferral druids
11:29.19Anadale_most of the time they do damage
11:29.34Anadale_but when offtanking needed they put on tanking gear and go bears
11:29.41Zeksieyeah.
11:29.59Anadale_to change blessings they should at the start of each raid or when palas changed to query who buff what
11:30.10Anadale_change macros to put right names
11:30.26Zeksiei think i get what you're talking about. you want them to be able to dynamically changed their sub-class on the fly, and have the exceptions altered to reflect this.
11:30.38Anadale_exactly
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11:30.45Zeksiei like it actually
11:31.21Zeksiecomplicated code tho. that bit of code is a f'kin nightmarish mess that needs hacking out and re-doing... but it works atm :)
11:31.37Anadale_lol
11:31.42Anadale_that's also normal
11:31.46CIA-903jerry * r64489 10Mendeleev/ (SetsGear.lua locales/enUS.lua): Mendeleev: Add season 3 sets and fix season 2.
11:32.06Anadale_from time to time i dig into code that was written like year ago and NEVER, I SAY NEVER GO THERE!!!
11:32.18Anadale_and saying "OMG, was it me???"
11:32.28Zeksiesee, the manager started out quite differently. no sub-classes, but exceptions instead in the global template. this was just too complciated and a pain for users.
11:32.37OrionshockZeksie: ya... i opened the blessings manager code the other day...
11:32.39Zeksiehaha
11:32.47ZeksieOrionshock: don't do that..
11:32.55Orionshock~ln 40 .. bm = ??  --- this is a hack i shouldn't have done...
11:32.55purlokay, Orionshock
11:33.13Orionshock~help ln
11:33.18Anadale_no, actually all palas are just jumping up and down now - they use only one button
11:33.53Zeksiewell, that's a good sign at least
11:33.58Orionshockln 22
11:34.00Orionshockbm = man-- TODO - remove - TEST ONLY
11:34.09Anadale_but the biggest complain was the floating icon do not show that someone is oor.
11:34.22Anadale_having mouse over it all the time is a little bit annoying
11:34.23Zeksieyeah. still using bm a lot tho
11:34.31Zeksiebeats typing out ZOMGBl..bla
11:34.36CIA-903rabbit * r64490 10oRA2/Participant/Ready.lua: oRA2: Participant/Ready: Syntax fix.
11:34.46Zeksieactually, will remove it and set an autoexec script
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11:38.04Orionshockthink modular is sometimes hard... :D
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11:39.10Fisker-http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ghostlands&n=Valde <-watch out before you get fucking pwnt
11:39.33HeavenfallIs there any library or any kind of documentatation or tutorial on how to use the new interface options part where we can add our addons?
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11:40.03Zeksiekeep getting asked about wiki page.. like i have time for that atm..
11:40.13Zeksieshoo i say
11:41.48JoshBorkeHeavenfall: no, but there has been work in Ace3 to integrate options into it
11:42.06JoshBorkeHeavenfall: you coudl look through the branches code for examples, it's actually pretty well documented in the blizzard source
11:42.43JoshBorkethere's not much to it
11:43.43[Ammo]WitchHunt 2.4 options: http://connected.dnd.utwente.nl/~wouter/config/
11:43.45[Ammo]:)
11:44.44Orionshockthat looks hot man
11:44.54JoshBorketoot your own horn why don't you?
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11:45.01[Ammo]yeah I will
11:45.22Heavenfallwhich is the blizzard source? I am looking at OptionsFrame.Lua from the ptr version, but there doesn't seem to be much documentation at all
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11:46.55JoshBorkehttp://wdnaddons.com/0408049/FrameXML/UIOptionsFrame.lua
11:47.00JoshBorkeUIOptionsFrame.lua is what you want
11:49.05Heavenfallwhere could I have found that? I ran the addon kit but there was no such file
11:49.38JoshBorkeperhaps the addon kit is broken
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11:51.39Heavenfallwhich begs the question - where did you get it from? =)
11:52.03JoshBorkethat website
11:52.19JoshBorkebeladona maintains a website of the interface files for everyone
11:52.34JoshBorkehe does a great job of it (despite the fact I always give him a hard time for being slow)
11:54.15JoshBorkeit's wdn.wowinterface.com
11:54.21JoshBorkeor wdnaddons.com
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11:55.43Neganur@ Zeksie: is zomg able to copy the blessings assignments to pallypower, if I'm promoted in the raid ? Like, I have a template set up, generate the assignments  and the pp table gets filled with it too ?
11:57.21Fisker-[Ammo] the option menu is a webpage?
11:57.24Fisker-That is highly ineffective!
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11:57.59Zeksieit'll talk with PP users yes. I wouldn't recommend running both on one PC tho.
11:58.28Zeksiebut the manager will talk with PP users, yes. but yes you have to be promoted, and i'll add a warning for the manager if you're not and ther's PP users
11:58.49Zeksiepersonally, prefer to allow promoted ppl AND all paladins to make changes
11:58.57Fisker-is it cool?
11:59.52cladhaireXinhuan: ping
12:00.06Heavenfallthanks for the help JoshBorke, I have an idea of how to get started now =)
12:01.04Anadale_Hm, guys, got a question about WAU
12:01.09Elkano\o/ my PeriodicTable browser in ItemDB finaly works
12:01.13cladhaireXinhuan: getCoord(45.45, 52.30) gives me 45455230000, but I'd expect it to give me 45455230.  Am I missing something?
12:01.36Anadale_I'm planning to commit my addon now, so is there any special actions I should take to it get available through WAU?
12:01.49JoshBorkeAnadale_: test it with all other addons disabled
12:02.13JoshBorkecladhaire: yes, it's a feature, not a bug
12:02.19Fisker-have it named properly :P
12:02.24cladhaireand what is this feature specifically?
12:02.26Anadale_Doing it right now. The question was should I put special files inside for WAU?
12:02.34JoshBorkecladhaire: i have no idea what you're talking about :_P
12:02.39cladhaireasshat
12:02.43Health:D
12:02.43Anadale_or it will take an svn folder and package it automagically?
12:02.47JoshBorkecladhaire: <3
12:03.17cladhairelua> function gc(x,y) return floor(x * 10000 + 0.5) * 10000 + floor(y * 10000 + 0.5) end
12:03.17lua_botcladhaire: No output
12:03.18nevcairielcladhaire: i think you're supposed to input (0.4545, 0.5230)
12:03.22cladhairenevcairiel: oh dop
12:03.24cladhairedip
12:03.26cladhairethat makes more sense
12:03.27cladhairethanks :P
12:03.35Fisker-all i know is if your addon is called "AddOn" then it expects your addon.toc to be named AddOn.toc
12:03.39cladhairei hate working in those types of coordinates
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12:05.01NeganurI'm always promoted,  I tried zomg during last nights' raid. All my pallys use pp but none of their settings changed. Not sure if I did something wrong -
12:05.15Fisker-any menu for ZOMGBUFFS?!
12:05.33Neganur(pally myself had both pp & zomg enabled tho)
12:06.53OrionshockNeganur: did u generate the template ?
12:07.00Neganuraye
12:07.15Fisker-sick addon is SIIIIIICK Zeksie
12:07.22xyuIs zomg meant to replace PP?
12:07.23Orionshockthere have been some glitches according to Zeksie about that..
12:07.26xyuor work alongside?
12:07.31Orionshockit's not recommened you run both
12:07.35xyuok
12:08.08xyuI haven't been caught up on it, but what's the biggest difference between the 2?
12:08.17Orionshockzomg is bigger and does more than pp
12:08.20xyulike a whispercast feature?
12:08.28Orionshocksorta
12:08.43Orionshockzomg you can /w <pally> !buff +bok -salv
12:08.52Orionshockand it'll send it off to the right pally
12:08.52Neganurzomg seems to have everything I disliked in pp   (I'm a sworn pp user, mind you)
12:08.53xyumy guild leader who is a pally still complains about blessings,  so maybe we can beta this
12:09.24Orionshockhehe
12:09.36OrionshockNeganur: what did u dislike in pp?
12:09.38xyucan i whisper myself? hehe
12:09.41xyuto test it
12:09.45xyui have a 70 pally :P
12:09.45Orionshockxyu: yes
12:09.50Zeksieyeah you can :)
12:10.28ZeksieNeganur: Depends when you updated ZOMG last. there were a couple of glithces with the PP module early yesterday
12:10.45Reclusedoes it accept communications from pp users as far as collaboration?
12:10.51Zeksieyes
12:11.03Reclusehuh - might have to check that out
12:11.23xyui'll try to run it alongside PP for now
12:11.27Zeksiei wouldn't
12:11.30xyuoh ok
12:11.31xyuhaha
12:11.33Zeksiethe PP module will prolly get confused ;)
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12:12.56xyuwhoa, colorful
12:13.27CIA-903kagaro 07Ace3 * r64491 10kgPanels/kgPanels.lua: kgPanels: update for color adjustments
12:13.45xyumy addons list is a boring yellow, then BAM rainbow of colors.
12:13.58Zeksieheh
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12:15.14xyuOne of our gripes about pallypower was it's weirdness of buffing in combat.   In its description it said it was possible as long as the buffs weren't changed, but this was hardly true for us.
12:15.21xyuit never buffed in combat. or very rarely for me.
12:15.22NeganurZeksie: using r64471, dl'ed 2mins ago. none of my guildies online atm tho   I'll check with a random pp user on the server in a sec.  What exactly makes pp & zomg clash if I run both ?
12:16.10ElkanoUseless info: did you know that there are 10517 unique itemids in PT3.1?
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12:17.09OrionshockNeganur:  prolly a comms conflict
12:17.13ZeksieNeganur: they might not clash at all, but if it gives a problem, then I woudln't be surprised. The main issue would be the PP module thinking there's a PP person. Not sure what that would do actually, will have ot look at it
12:17.48CIA-903hegarol * r64493 10AtlasLoot/ (14 files in 3 dirs):
12:17.48CIA-9AtlasLoot:
12:17.48CIA-9- German update
12:17.48CIA-9- Bossname file improvements
12:18.33Zeksiei can't think of a reason for running both once you choose one. i know you want ot keep PP as a backup in case it turns out you hate zomg. so go play ;)
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12:19.33xyuwell i've only looked at zomg for like 3 seconds and i like it way more so far.  nice and small
12:19.36xyucompact
12:19.55Zeksieyeah. that's what i hated about pp.. took up so much space
12:20.13xyui'll just have to figure out how to use it,   a lot of people in my guild still run vanila wow
12:20.22xyuso they'll be coming to me :P
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12:20.25Zeksie:)
12:20.45xyubehaviour is british?  
12:21.00Zeksieyeah. is that not ur spelling? i know you have problems with that ;)
12:21.33xyuWe spell it behavior
12:22.17xyutypical laziness,  having a u is way too many letters.  
12:22.19Zeksieyeah. thought as much.:)
12:22.22OrionshockHOW THE FK, do you "Resist" bash??
12:22.22Zeksieheh
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12:22.51Orionshockjust wow...
12:22.54Orionshock-.>
12:22.58Zeksiehardest bit for ppl to grasp is the manager. when in configure mode, is what all the rows are for.. think of them more as a priority order for how many paladins you have
12:23.32thulGRAMMARNAZI
12:24.00Zeksiei don't know if i'm even able to use enGB as a Locale, so i didn't even try to :)
12:24.17Zeksieoverkill
12:26.03xyuso if there are numbers 1-6 in configuration mode, these numbers represent how many pallies  there are, yes?
12:26.21Zeksieyeah. if you had 2 palas, it would use the first two rows
12:26.32Zeksiethen assign based on best fit to each pala depending on talents
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12:26.54Orionshockxyu: think law of availability
12:27.02xyuyea
12:27.16xyui need more pallies! ~
12:27.23xyuoo my friend just logged on
12:27.58xyuwhat is this "class split" window
12:28.05CIA-903merl * r64494 10/branches/mHud/ (Falloff/Config.lua Falloff/Falloff.lua mHud.toc):
12:28.05CIA-9mHud:
12:28.05CIA-9- Fix: Falloff spikes and config.
12:28.05CIA-9- Change: Some toc details.
12:28.17Orionshockxyu: off spec
12:28.25Orionshockie , tank , dps, heal druids
12:28.29xyuoh wait i see, it changes as i mouseover
12:28.32Orionshockit'll give buffs to different pallys
12:29.50xyui wish AV queues on my server weren't 2 hours.
12:29.50Zeksiedebated whether allowing those lists to include people from guild roster. jury is still out on that one
12:30.20xyui'd hop in there and buff people
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12:33.42xyuhmm i'm probably doing something wrong, (i am prot pally) in the manager i mouseover the pally, i have kings in the "tank" section.  I dragged my name from the "healer" category to the "tank" category in class split.  But i'm still casting Blessing of wisdom.
12:34.17Zeksiethat's just the template. you have to click generate in non-config mode to actually go assign buffs to palas
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12:36.20xyui'm blind, where is the generate button.  I see it in the help but...it's probably right in front of me.
12:36.40Zeksieclick finish, so you just have the 1 row with yourself on it, then it's bottom right corner
12:36.41xyuoh nm
12:36.44Zeksie:)
12:36.51xyuit was finish, which was gray because i had some weird buff on a hunter :P
12:36.57Zeksieheh
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12:40.01Ironhandin battlegrounds, I regularly get the error "...alslLib\IncomingHealsLib-1.0\IncomingHealsLib-1.0.lua:273: Usage: UnitCastingInfo("unit")  , any suggestions on what I could try to fix this?
12:41.32xyuAck!  Can i request bartexture "Steel" for the list?  ^^
12:41.52Zeksieerm.. give that request to whoever deals with SharedMediaLib? :)
12:42.01xyuoh yea
12:43.26nevcairielyou can add textures to the list in your addon too
12:43.33nevcairielthey dont have to be in the central place..
12:44.12Zeksieyeah, i know. and it does for the BantoBar default
12:44.20Zeksienot gonna clutter it up with loads tho
12:44.39nevcairielBantoBar is the win anyway
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12:44.49Zeksieindeed
12:45.13Temman
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12:45.24Temwhy are people so crazy about that texture?
12:45.27TemI can't stand it
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12:46.21nevcairielit just looks good, no reasoning
12:46.26xyui like steel for some reason.  or smooth
12:49.00IronhandI remember an addon that allows me to stop addon errors appearing as an obnoxious dialog in the middle of my screen but add them to a log instead... can someone remind me which it was?
12:49.30kenlyricoh, no, people have different aesthetic notions? HANG THEM
12:49.55[dRaCo]Ironhand: bugsack + buggrabber
12:50.07Ironhandthanks [dRaCo]
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12:53.41CIA-903crashkurs * r64495 10FuBar_ChannelwatchFu/ (Core.lua FuBar_ChannelwatchFu.toc):
12:53.41CIA-9FuBar_ChannelwatchFu:
12:53.41CIA-9- Fixed the Bug, when leaving a Channel and having ghost-entries in the tooltip
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12:57.21Camciiis there any screenshots avilable for omen2, recount2, bt4 ? :P
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13:06.59Neganurzeksie: great stuff   I disabled pp  and invited 4 random pp paladins
13:07.20Zeksiedrum roll
13:07.29Neganurzeksie: it works and does exactly what I as raid leader wants it to do
13:07.37Zeksie:)
13:08.19Anadale_Hm
13:08.21Neganurzeksie: the only thing I could possibly ask for is   it shows me they're using pp   can it show the version they use too ?
13:08.26Anadale_Getting strange error: LibMobHealth-4.0\LibMobHealth-4.0.lua:48: attempt to index local 'frame' (a nil value)
13:08.50Zeksiemaybe. but PP doesn't announce it's version. i'd have to go via version query.
13:09.24Zeksieyou'll notice in the raid popup from the floating icon, the paladins initials over the blessings columns. so you can see on tehre too which palas are slacking or who needs a kick to buff whoever.
13:10.49Zeksieplan on something similar for priest,druids etc too. but that would prolly be some pullout panel attached to the raid list with some display of the assigments. not decided on the details yet
13:11.08Anadale_Zeksie, please add the "Waiting for..." picture to floating button :)
13:11.31Zeksieyou mean a mini status icon like the resting one etc?
13:11.46Anadale_the bigger it is - the better
13:12.02Anadale_it may be as large as floating button
13:12.14Anadale_so people can see it
13:12.47Zeksieyeah. will have to think about it. cos of where it's done, it'll need a little pursuasion to display that properly.
13:12.59Anadale_and that raid chat message "Waiting for XXX to buff YYY on group/class N" will make me happy enough :)
13:14.19Zeksieyeah. could stick that in with the report thing. which needs some rework too. it can be a bit more informative.
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13:15.05Zeksiei'm crap at icons tho :)
13:15.16Anadale_Just send this message to chat when buff keybinding pressed.
13:15.24xyuwait, if i have zomg and another pally uses pp, he can set my buffs and vice versa?  
13:15.31Zeksieyes
13:15.41xyuwowzers,  
13:15.49Zeksieas if by magic
13:15.51Anadale_zeksie: +1. I'm programmer, not designer
13:16.23Neganurxyu: yes   but you must not be promoted then
13:16.41Anadale_Idea. To represent this "Waiting for" icon just place large hourglass icon over the buff icon
13:16.43Neganurit will set the blessing assignment back to what your template tells
13:16.43ZeksieNeganur: ZOMG doesn't care about promotions from paladins, it's only non-palas that need promotion
13:16.48Anadale_like hourglass over AI texture
13:16.58Neganurzeksie: yes  and that's great
13:17.09Zeksieok. just making sure ;)
13:17.26Anadale_it will be easy to understand that you can buff AI but something prevents you from doing it
13:17.40ZeksieAnadale_: yeah, will have to think about it. it's on my todo list.
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13:17.53Anadale_ty
13:18.35Zeksieonly problem is PP users require you to be promoted to make changes to them, for which I've just added a big fat warning icon to the manager if you're not promoted and htere's PP users with u
13:19.58Neganurwell it usually was like this,   I'm rl / promo'ed   but I had my classleader pally promoe'd as well to do the blessing things as I'm busy tanking or marking stuff   now I don't need himpromoted anymore
13:20.39Neganurthe feral will just spam his macro with !zomg  if he needs anything
13:20.54Zeksieaye :)
13:21.35Neganurand oh my,  this is god-sent   seriously   no more VT pollution "GEIF SALV FFS!!1"
13:22.51Zeksieheh
13:23.32Zeksieyeah. that chat thing went in after one particilar raid, with a druid who just had to switch roles every 3 damned minutes
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13:25.25xyudo you do !zomg in a tell or in /ra
13:26.30xyun/m
13:26.45Zeksiewhisper only so far.
13:26.53Zeksie!buff and !zomg both do the same thing
13:27.17Zeksieand it has to be sent to someone who has the manager running, and if a non pala, is promoted
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13:30.14Zeksiemmm. question, is there a way with SVN to get it to always update the versioning of a specific file?
13:30.27Anadale_no
13:30.30Zeksiepoop
13:30.33Anadale_!buff doesn't work
13:30.42Anadale_!buff displays help for me
13:30.42WoWLuaircBotAnadale_: You did not specify a valid command. You fail.
13:30.56Anadale_but !zomg return list of buffs
13:31.01Anadale_and !buff does not
13:31.06Anadale_if i remember right
13:31.06vhaarrZeksie: there's a way to make SVN bump a version string inside a file if you touch that file on each commit
13:31.12Zeksiethey both do the same for me. as they should
13:31.20Anadale_hm
13:31.25Anadale_will check in a sec
13:31.58xyu!buff works for me
13:32.04Zeksievhaarr: by touch you mean edit in some way, rather than touch the time stamp? wouldn't it compare the actual contents ele.
13:32.20vhaarrZeksie: I'm fairly sure the linux 'touch' command works fine
13:32.26Anadale_I was wrong. It works. Sorry.
13:32.26xyuquick question, is there any way to quickly clear the blessings manager?  like right click it off.
13:32.33xyuSo far i have to cycle through them all to find the empty space
13:32.39nevcairielvhaarr: nah it doesnt, it only updates the file on the server if contents changed
13:32.48Zeksieerm... no. i specifically didn't do that, because i couldn't see a need for it
13:32.55vhaarrZeksie: another way to make sure that some variable containing the version number/revision is always up to date is to put it in a global variable and do |if version < $Rev$ then version = $Rev$ end| at the top of each file
13:32.58vhaarrnevcairiel: okay ><
13:32.59xyuok
13:33.50Zeksievhaarr, yeah. that could work too
13:36.39Neganurzeksie: do I have to click each class in the manager to be able to use a class-split auto assign ?  or is that feature in the main manager frame
13:38.25Zeksieworks in either frame. it'll only auto popup in config mod
13:38.57Zeksienormal mode you can click any class to open the window, once open mousing over any othe class will switch it
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13:40.02Neganurso I actually have to manually cycle through all classes to check if the raid members are split into their correct role ?
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13:40.54Zeksieyeah, for the moment. when I know the talent query thing works 100%, i'll do some mass auto-assign thing
13:41.04Neganurgreat stuff
13:42.34NeganurI don't take weird builds inside my raid, usually any hybrid is 35+ points deep in one tree
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13:43.46Zeksieyeah, the compare is quite simple, just takes the highest tree value as their spec
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13:45.25CIA-903anadale * r64496 10UnderHood/ (47 files in 10 dirs):
13:45.25CIA-9UnderHood: initial commit
13:45.25CIA-9- Modular and extensible HeadUp Display
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13:48.13CIA-903anadale * r64497 10UnderHood/ (. libs/):
13:48.13CIA-9UnderHood:
13:48.13CIA-9- Externals setup
13:49.44Anadale_Question: how long does it take to WAU to pick up addon from SVN? ;)
13:49.54nevcairiel20 minutes
13:50.04Anadale_thank you
13:50.13Anadale_btw, another question
13:50.34Anadale_before submitting it to svn I've used addons folder as a main development folder
13:50.56Anadale_now if this addon will come through WAU - wouldn't it make some problems?
13:51.06nevcairielhow so?
13:51.17Ordogwau drags all addons to where the user specifies
13:51.31Zeksiewau has an option to leave svn stuff alone
13:51.34nevcairielWAU will ignore addons that you have checked out rom SVN
13:51.50Anadale_great. that's what I needed
13:51.52Anadale_thank you
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13:53.01Anadale_but it will show it for me in the list of installed addons?
13:54.35nevcairieli think it has its own category for ignored addons
13:55.27xyuwhat's the acronym for BoSanctuary? :D
13:55.51Anadale_The Big Blue Shield :)
13:55.51Neganurbosanc   usually
13:56.17xyu+sanc works for zomg,  just curious if there was another :D
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13:56.52Zeksieelseif (code == "san" or code == "sanc" or code == "sanctuary") then
13:56.57Zeksiethose
13:57.03Zeksiemmm. those should be localised.
13:57.03xyuthanks
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14:02.47ZhinjioGood morning.
14:02.57xyuzao an
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14:10.52CIA-903zeksie * r64498 10ZOMGBuffs/ (10 files in 10 dirs): (log message trimmed)
14:10.52CIA-9ZOMGBuffs
14:10.52CIA-9- Added option to toggle whether a spell is learnable in self buffs module.
14:10.53CIA-9- Added options to say whether spells should be learnable in or out of combat for all modules.
14:10.53CIA-9- Added a warning icon to Blessings Manager frame when PallyPower users in in the raid and you are not promoted. Pally Power does not accept assignment changes from non-promoted players.
14:10.56CIA-9- Blessings Manager inspect queueing tweak.
14:10.58CIA-9- Fixed OnReceiveBroadcastTemplatePart (nil error)
14:11.12Zeksietrimmed.. how dare you
14:13.13p3limanyone know if tekkub uses irc?
14:13.21Zeksiehe does
14:13.27Josh_Borkehe does
14:13.27Josh_Borkewhy?
14:13.38p3limneed to contact him about a bug in OptionHouse
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14:14.01Josh_Borkewhy him?
14:14.07Josh_Borkeshadowed is the one that maintains it
14:14.10Josh_Borkewhat is the bug?
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14:14.34p3limoh
14:14.39p3limdidnt know
14:14.59p3limbut anyways, in the Management tab, it doesnt show the very last addon on the list
14:15.23p3limi have an addon named pView that should be on the bottom of the list, and !BugGrabber on the top
14:15.53p3limpView aint shown at all, if i revert the list sorting by clicking the 'Name' header pView shows on top but !BugGrabber is gone at the bottom
14:15.55Josh_Borkethat's a pretty obvious bug
14:16.13Josh_Borkeare you sure you're running the newest version of OH?
14:16.17p3limyes
14:16.22p3limjust updated it to be sure
14:18.30p3limlatest version at WoWI right?
14:20.09Josh_Borkeyes
14:20.14Josh_BorkeShadowed: ping
14:20.29Josh_Borkep3lim: my recommendation is to post a comment on wowi
14:20.50p3limgonna relog to be exactly sure
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14:21.47p3limyup, still bugged, r656
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14:26.41[SW]Dodgehi guys
14:26.42[SW]Dodge:)
14:26.52Josh_Borkehi
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14:27.50[SW]Dodgeshort question, is lsm3 compatible to lsm2?
14:28.40chiperhah.  there's a guild on my realm named "We Met on eHarmony"
14:29.18chiperI'm tempted to go form a "We Met on OKCupid" just for the hell of it
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14:30.28CIA-903zeksie * r64499 10ZOMGBuffs/embeds.xml: ZOMGBuffs: Embeds fix
14:31.59[SW]Dodgeno one know about it? :(
14:32.49p3limis there any wiki about Embedded Libraries?
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14:40.52Fisker-btw Zeksie
14:40.57Fisker-why did you make hunters get salvation?
14:41.28Josh_Borkebecause they never know when to feighn
14:43.13Zeksiewhat Josh said
14:44.43Fisker-oh u
14:45.48Zeksielisten, i'd set it so they got salv from ALL palas if I could!
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14:48.25exor674haha, but salv doesn't stack? :P
14:48.27CIA-903jerry * r64500 10Links/Links.lua: Links: fix support for Mendeleev
14:48.33Zeksiei know... 'if i could' :)
14:49.15Zeksiemmm. how did we detect shapeshifted forms again?
14:50.05nevcairielGetShapeshiftForm() ?
14:50.16p3limis there a way to change the damage text without tainting?
14:50.37Zeksiethx, and do you know if there's a way to get icon with without querying the action bar?
14:50.47p3limright now i just use DAMAGE_TEXT_FONT = "insertfonthere"
14:52.01nevcairielGetShapeshiftFormInfo(index)
14:52.13Zeksieyeah, just found that. :)_
14:52.36CIA-903jerry 072.4 * r64501 10Links/Links/Links.lua: Links: (2.4 branch) fix Mendeleev support
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14:57.46CIA-903daviesh * r64502 10AtlasLoot_Crafting/crafting.en.lua:
14:57.46CIA-9AtlasLoot_Crafting:
14:57.46CIA-9- Started adding Alchemy data, no icons yet, not going to bother, since the Patch 2.4 function is coming that can generate the icon
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15:01.29Fisker-can i singlebuff in combat?
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15:01.49Zeksieping Anadale_
15:01.51Fisker-yay
15:02.21Zeksieyeah, there's a popup raid list, just right click, or alt right click on whoever needs
15:02.43Zeksiealso, there's optional icons that popup at start of combat for anyone who's setup for singles, so u can just click rebuff them for long fights
15:02.52Anadale_here
15:02.53Fisker-will i have to go into the blessings manager each new raid to assign them melee dps, tank, and whatever?
15:02.58ZeksieUnderHood-1.1.64496\Modules\Texts\TextFrame.lua:4: Cannot find a library instance of "LibDogTag-2.0".
15:03.12OrionshockUnderHood?
15:03.14Anadale_hmmmmm
15:03.18Anadale_will check
15:03.44Zeksieno. it remembers the sub-classes over sessions
15:05.06Fisker-but not if they change spec?
15:05.36xyudo people really have that many people changing spec mid raid?
15:05.51Anadale_Zeksie: Just loaded UH as the only addon - no errors, dogtag works ok
15:06.14CIA-903daviesh * r64503 10AtlasLoot/ (10 files in 5 dirs):
15:06.14CIA-9AtlasLoot:
15:06.14CIA-9- Fixed some typo bugs that crept into the last update
15:06.14CIA-9- Made the complete Alchemy profession available in 'Crafting' (no icons, as once patch 2.4 hits they wont be needed)
15:06.32Zeksiei used wau to install without externals, but auto depandancy check enabled.
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15:08.05Anadale_hmm. gonna check toc for OptionalDeps
15:15.36CIA-903anadale * r64504 10UnderHood/UnderHood.toc:
15:15.36CIA-9UnderHood:
15:15.36CIA-9- OptionalDeps and X-Embeds fields are synced
15:16.17Zeksie:)
15:17.25Anadale_You know what, I've checked several addons and found that most of them do not have synced OptDeps and X-Embeds
15:17.36Anadale_they have whatever they want there
15:17.56Anadale_so I was sure that no one is interested in those fields anyway ;)
15:19.25Lukianomega, Omegaspecter?
15:21.30ZeksieAnadale_: hehe
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15:22.48purlpprovost <n=pprovost@WoWUIDev/WAU/Admin/Pprovost> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 75d 19h 17m 59s ago, saying: 'Waterfall might not be perfect, but menu driven configuration is terrible from a usability standpoint.'.
15:23.12CIA-903dodge * r64505 10CoolDownButtons/ (8 files in 2 dirs):
15:23.12CIA-9CoolDownButtons:
15:23.12CIA-9- bugfix with for Cooldown positioning
15:23.12CIA-9- bugfix button limitation/max buttons to display
15:23.13CIA-9- add option to disable single cooldowns
15:23.15CIA-9- add option to set a max duration for cooldowns to display
15:23.17CIA-9- option to select a font for the cooldown timer
15:23.19CIA-903zeksie * r64506 10ZOMGBuffs/ (Locales/localization.lua ZOMGBuffs.lua): ZOMGBuffs: Added options in general behaviour to not auto-buff when stealthed or shapeshifted.
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15:43.02KivinI'm trying to help a friend get prat to stop formatting channel names from "2. Trade - City" down to "2"... anyone know off hand which setting does this?
15:43.16KivinOr if just shutting off the channel names module will fix it
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15:46.20chiperkivin: yeah, turning off the module will to the trick
15:47.02Kivinthansk
15:47.04Kivinthanks, too.
15:48.34Zhinjioomg, this is silly. I guess precedence is doing something I wasn't expecting.
15:49.00Zhinjioapparently ... ( not blort[1] == nil ) is not the same as ( not ( blort[1] == nil  ) )
15:49.11cladhairenot is right associative
15:49.19cladhaireas are most unary operators
15:49.33cladhaireso it binds tightly to the single operand
15:49.48Zeksieuse ~= to avoid confusion in code?
15:49.53cladhaireas you're aware, parenthesis let you make any of it explicit
15:49.59Zhinjioright.
15:50.01cladhaireor the not equals operator, as Zeksie sas
15:50.25ZhinjioI thought right associative meant it forces clauses to the right to evaluate first.
15:50.34Zeksieprolly cuts down on cpu cycles too. instead of getting a comparison, then reversing it, you just do the one comparison
15:50.52Zhinjiois it ~= or !=?
15:50.55Zeksie~=
15:51.06Zhinjiook.
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15:56.35chiperI am quite shocked at the pessimism towards protection spec pvp on the blizzard warrior forums
15:57.05chiperevery suggestion for improvement gets shot down by siege weapons
15:58.03Gelowhy'd you even spec prot :)
15:58.11chiperI dont even have a warrior
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15:58.22Fisker-MADNESS
15:58.29Fisker-how did i leaved channel?
15:58.53nevcairielmy mental power made you do it
15:58.56chiperI had an idea for a way to make Taunt actually do something in PvP, so I posted it to the forum.  the trolls pissed all over it
15:58.56nevcairielbeen training for ages
15:59.00nevcairielnow to keep you out..
15:59.14Fisker-already got the "would you kindly" codeword erased
16:02.34Grumi am uncrushable
16:03.22Fisker-i am UNUNCRUSHABLE
16:03.31Fisker-FUNSIES btw
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16:03.42Fisker-If you have resilience to reduce chance to be crit by 100%
16:03.55Fisker-and an enemy has over a 100% chance to crit then you will still crit :O
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16:04.24Zeksiebut, you'd reduce the crit bonus dmg by 100% too..
16:04.27Gelois that a question or statement?
16:04.54Fisker-the max is 25% Zeksie
16:04.59Fisker-statement Gelo
16:05.00Gibbonzhmm presume 2.4 will be applied after the next maintenance
16:05.09nevcairieli dont think so
16:05.18Fisker-I disagree
16:05.23Zeksie<- doesn't pvp :)
16:05.29Fisker-neither do i
16:05.32ZiconI have it on good authority it has been postponed until the 25th at the earliest.
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16:05.41Fisker-But i noticed it when exploiting the statswap bug on the PTR
16:05.47Zeksieahh
16:06.07nevcairielnegative resilience was fun
16:06.08chiperisnt sunwell still offline on PTR?
16:06.10Gibbonzi wonder if it can be preloaded on another install just by copying the Patches folder
16:06.20Fisker-good authority Zicon? .o
16:06.34Gibbonzsave my bro the download ;p
16:06.40nevcairielchiper: yes and probalby will stay that way, they want to keep kiljaeden for live, and all other encounters got their share of testing
16:06.51nevcairielGibbonz: yeah that works
16:06.52chiperah, ok
16:06.53Zeksiewell. copy the patch file at least. yeah
16:07.12Ziconfisker-: Yes, I has secret squirrel connections.
16:07.13Gibbonzcool thanks
16:07.18chiperI was gonna say that it wouldnt get posted to live until they fix the sunwell bugs and open it back up for testing...
16:07.39ZiconBut it was indeed planned for release next week.
16:07.53chipermmo-champion made it sound like they were still working on a lot of stuff
16:09.18CIA-903apoco * r64507 10aX_RaidStatus/ (4 files):
16:09.18CIA-9aX_RaidStatus:
16:09.18CIA-9- Add: Omen/Grid to OptionalDeps to load their bars first.
16:09.18CIA-9- New: Option to change width.
16:09.18CIA-9- New: AFK status will be shown in tooltips.
16:09.45FinKivin: ChannelNames
16:09.55FinKivin: just disable the module
16:10.03Zicongibbonz: I've been doing that with roomie for months, so yes, that works.
16:10.40CIA-903apoco * r64508 10aX_RaidStatus/ (RaidStatusLocal-deDE.lua RaidStatusLocal-enUS.lua):
16:10.40CIA-9aX_RaidStatus:
16:10.40CIA-9- Forgot to add AFK to localizations.
16:10.42FinKivin: or if you want the functionality of ChannelNames except for this thing specifically, just change the setting for the Trade channel
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16:15.53GibbonzZicon: hehe nice
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16:25.12CIA-903anadale * r64509 10UnderHood/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
16:25.12CIA-9UnderHood:
16:25.12CIA-9- Added an option to hide default Blizzard frames
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16:32.48CIA-903ckknight * r64510 10LibDogTag-3.0/ (Compiler.lua Helpers.lua test.lua): LibDogTag-3.0 - add compilation step injection on a namespace basis.
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16:35.47Anadale_ping ckknight
16:35.52ckknighthowdy
16:36.11Anadale_hi. I've dropped a message some time ago on forums about channeled spells
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16:36.22Anadale_[SpellName] for channeled spells says "Channeling"
16:36.37ckknightthat's funny
16:36.43ckknightshouldn't do that
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16:36.51Anadale_yes it is
16:37.03CIA-903danielbarron * r64511 10RaidBuffStatus/ (Core.lua Locale-enUS.lua RaidBuffStatus.toc ReadMe.txt):
16:37.03CIA-9RaidBuffStatus:
16:37.04CIA-9- Fixed bug: Re-showing all the time. Now hiding stays hidden until you join a party or raid again.
16:37.04CIA-9- Added to the Well Fed check "Increased Stamina", "Rumsey Rum Black Label", and "Electrified".
16:37.13Anadale_displayName returned by Blizzard API for channeled spells is always "Channeling"
16:37.24Anadale_spellName should be used instead
16:37.35Anadale_in case the current spell is a channeled one
16:38.14ckknightokay then
16:38.28Anadale_LibDogTag-2.0/Modules/Cast.lua
16:38.28CIA-903jerry 072.4 * r64512 10Links/Links/Links.lua: Links: fix hook
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16:38.38Anadale_line 26
16:39.01Anadale_after call to UnitChannelInfo you should put spell into displayNAme
16:39.14Anadale_tried this on my local copy - works fine
16:39.42CIA-903ckknight * r64513 10LibDogTag-2.0/Modules/Cast.lua: LibDogTag-2.0 - for [CastName], show the spell name rather than Blizzard's displayName
16:39.45ckknightthat should work
16:39.53Anadale_thank you very much :)
16:40.08ckknightAnadale_: using Dogtag in Underhood?
16:40.13Anadale_yep
16:40.17ckknightokay
16:40.32ckknightjust know that once 3.0 releases (hopefully this weekend sometime), I plan to stop supporting 2.0
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16:40.51Anadale_Waiting for this. Actually original UH was for 2.4 patch
16:40.57ckknightokay
16:41.03pastamancerckknight: any chance of getting EBNF on the wiki for dogtag three point oh?
16:41.03Anadale_And I've just wasn't able to wait anymore
16:41.14ckknightpastamancer: the EBNF is in the Parser.lua
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16:41.19ckknightI plan to make PitBull, CowTip switch on 2.4
16:41.25Anadale_and what is the state of LDT-3.0?
16:41.29pastamancerckknight: that's why I want it on the wiki :p
16:41.37ckknightpastamancer: :-P
16:41.41ckknightpastamancer: but it's hard
16:41.53ckknightAnadale_: no unit tags yet, which is the important part for unit frames and such
16:42.09ckknightpastamancer: I have to copypasta and all
16:42.21ckknightAnadale_: mostly been working on the core, getting it extensible and efficient
16:42.25pastamancerckknight: zomg!
16:42.31yasuohi tehre, how do i run different actions fr different races in macros? or: how to i use a locale as condition?
16:42.38ckknightpastamancer: maybe later today
16:42.42yasuo/locale race = UnitRace("target");
16:42.49Anadale_Hmm, btw, while ckknight is here
16:42.51yasuohwo using loacale race as conditio?
16:42.57Anadale_Have an idea
16:43.01ckknightk?
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16:43.07pastamancerckknight: word.  having to scroll past code to see the rest of the ebnf breaks my concentration
16:43.18Anadale_in UH i use the code to color health bar by hostility
16:43.26Anadale_stolen from LDT, of course :)
16:43.33ckknightyea, I know, I might move the whole EBNF to the top of the file and then copy-pasta to wiki
16:43.40ckknightk
16:43.41Anadale_I know that PB use it
16:43.45Anadale_CT use it
16:43.48pastamancerthat would be nice
16:43.56Anadale_Why don't we make library to handle coloring
16:44.00pastamancerit's much easier to follow if it's all in one place
16:44.07Anadale_so in all frames the coloring would be the same
16:44.18ckknightAnadale_: actually due to LDT-3.0's nature, it can be used cleanly on non-text things
16:44.22ckknightsuch as bar values or colors
16:44.37Anadale_because I use PB for raid frames, UH for player/party/focus
16:44.41ckknightEllipsis is working on something to create bars and such with just DogTag :-P
16:45.00Anadale_Okay, but then we should have a common API on how to access/change those values
16:45.07Anadale_and store them centralized way
16:45.23ckknightin any event, that can come after what I'm doing right now
16:45.28pastamancerand I'd love a paragraph or so about how the parser works... it looks like you're turning the string into a byte array and then parsing it byte-by-byte?  I'm used to ... I think the term is "stream-based parsers" where you give it an io stream and call next_token which returns token type, value
16:45.55ckknightpastamancer: yea, I had it tokenize originally, but it was less efficient due to the way lua handles strings
16:46.14ckknightpastamancer: now it just does newList(code:byte(1, #code))
16:46.22ckknightand then you mess with that table, recycle it afterwards
16:47.03yasuo*can* i use locale vars as condition?
16:47.45pastamancerckknight: a little bit of documentation on why it's wierd would be lovely in the parser.lua :)
16:47.53ckknightvery doable
16:48.02ckknightyasuo: you can use anything as a condition
16:48.19yasuohow do i do?
16:48.21ckknightpastamancer: Kaelten's still not given me a jira project yet...
16:48.29ckknightyasuo: http://www.lua.org/pil/
16:48.48pastamancerckknight: :(  I don't have jira admin bits
16:49.12ckknightno, I want to have you make a jira ticket
16:49.43yasuockknight: can i use this in macros?
16:50.35Anadale_yasuo: to send something to chat - yes, to alter casting and other stuff - no
16:50.37yasuojust want a macros doing shackle or mind control on target, depending on race
16:50.50Anadale_yasuo: no, you can not
16:50.59yasuohm kk thx
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16:56.49Fisker-Zeksie
16:56.51Fisker-FEEDBACK TIEMS
16:56.58Fisker-the blessing manager
16:57.05Fisker-can you make it so it doesn't auto-expand the roles?
16:57.18Fisker-Cause it keeps changing class/role assignement when you close the popup
16:57.22Fisker-thus prompting a new popup
16:58.39Chomperscurse you ckknight, i googled parsers
16:58.50Chompersi'll be here awhile...
16:58.55ckknightyou probably wanna google parser compilers
16:58.56ckknightand the like
16:59.03ckknightlex, yacc, antlr
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16:59.08ckknightall that good stuff
16:59.42Chompersi only went as far as lexical analysis and tokens when i was at school
16:59.47Chompersso its like a continuation
16:59.53Xinhuanreminds me of my uni days
16:59.59XinhuanYACC lol
17:00.08Neganurfisker: there's an option that disables the auto-expand  btw
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17:03.14Anadale_(offtopic) IMHO, the best parser generator atm is Antlr :)
17:03.28Anadale_No More Yaccs :)
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17:09.56Osstia|workI have a non-wow related XML question, please feel free to ignore me, and if it cause problems I wont ask again.  I am trying to get a list of url's out of an XML file.  Wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction.
17:10.01Osstia|workhttp://wowi.pastey.net/83858
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17:10.15Osstia|workthats the start of the xml, and it is 2500 lines long
17:10.15CIA-903jerry 072.4 * r64514 10Links/Links/ (Links.lua locales/enUS.lua): Links: (2.4 branch) Add optional link history.
17:10.23Osstia|workI'm looking for a list of just the URLs
17:10.35nevcairieluse a simple xml parser?
17:10.37Anadale_Osstia: just any URL from anywhere?
17:10.41pastamancerOsstia|work: XSLT!
17:10.58nevcairielwould be rather trivial to mock that up in php .. or as pasta said, even a xslt script
17:11.07Anadale_serialize it as a string an run through regular expression
17:12.03Osstia|workI'll try xlst, thanks for the pointer in the right direction
17:12.06Osstia|worksorry to be off-topic
17:12.20nevcairielas if anything important was going on
17:12.21nevcairiel:D
17:12.24Osstia|workhaha
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17:15.53NeoTron#wowace is SERIOUS BUSINESS
17:18.15mikmalulz, u funny
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17:18.43ckknightNeoTron: srs bsns
17:18.52NeoTronfunny cat haz ran uot of funney!
17:19.20NimhAnyone can tell whats the name of cyCycled skin is used here? http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/460993/img/WoW%7CUI/Done.jpg
17:19.47CIA-903barfolomeu * r64515 10/branches/FlightHUD/FlightHUD.lua: FlightHUD: Fixed a bug that caused the HUD to not refresh unless the refresh rate was zero.
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17:20.45CIA-903barfolomeu * r64516 10/branches/FlightHUD/FlightHUD.toc: FlightHUD: Ooops, forgot to updated the .toc file.
17:21.38CIA-903barfolomeu * r64517 10FlightHUD/FlightHUD.lua: FlightHUD: Fixed a bug that caused the HUD to not refresh unless the refresh rate was zero. Merge from branches -r64515.
17:22.00CIA-903apoco * r64518 10aX_RaidStatus/RaidStatusCore.lua:
17:22.00CIA-9aX_RaidStatus:
17:22.00CIA-9- Fix: Offline status for deDE in zone tooltip.
17:22.40NeoTronis aX_RaidStatus a replacement for XRS or a plugin for it?
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17:28.13Primersigh...must review command line before hitting enter
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17:41.36Zhinjiolua> blort = {}; blort["foo"] = bar; if ( next( blort ) == nil ) then print("nil") else print("!nil") end;
17:41.36lua_botZhinjio: nil
17:41.47Zhinjiocan someone explain that?
17:41.50Zhinjioplease
17:42.15nevcairielbar is nil
17:42.16dylanmThere's nothing in that table.
17:42.21Zhinjiooh
17:42.23Zhinjioheh
17:42.25nevcairielso blort["foo"] is nil too
17:42.50Zhinjiosoemtimes its the easy things. sorry .
17:43.54CIA-903ckknight * r64520 10LibDogTag-3.0/Compiler.lua: LibDogTag-3.0 - pass along the compiledKwargs for the tag compilation step
17:45.09ZeksieFisker-: What do you mean 'it keeps changing the assignment'?
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17:48.17CIA-903ckknight * r64521 10LibDogTag-Unit-3.0/ (12 files in 3 dirs):
17:48.17CIA-9LibDogTag-Unit-3.0 - initial commit
17:48.17CIA-9- Unit namespace for LibDogTag-3.0. For addons that wish to use unit-oriented tags, they'd include this library along with LibDogTag-3.0.
17:48.17CIA-9- note: not done yet to any real degree
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17:50.46CIA-903zhinjio * r64522 10/branches/SKG/ (8 files):
17:50.46CIA-9SuicideKingsGeo :
17:50.46CIA-9<PROTECTED>
17:50.46CIA-9<PROTECTED>
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17:52.28CIA-903ckknight * r64523 10LibDogTag-Unit-3.0/ (LibDogTag-Unit-3.0.lua test.lua): LibDogTag-Unit-3.0 - add in a check if the default unit kwarg is a number.
17:53.21ChompersLibDogTag.Sentience-3.0 soon huh ;)
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17:55.39ckknightSentience?
17:55.39mjchmm.  I went 51 into ret for CS and I hate the lack of survivability
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17:56.14ckknightChompers: it's mostly so that addons that want to use DogTag syntax but don't want the unit stuff, e.g. Parrot, a Damage Meter addon, etc, don't have to include it
17:56.44ckknightgranted, there's nothing stopping them
17:56.51ckknightand you can register with any number of namespaces as you like
17:57.36Chompersit wasn't a dig against you or your addons ckk
17:57.46ckknightdidn't think so
17:57.53ckknightI could tell by the winky face
17:58.47NeoTronis there a finished library that lets me pass in a player / unit and get their raid role?
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17:58.54NeoTroni.e tank, dps, etc?
17:59.00YabFinaly ! :)
17:59.26nevcairielNeoTron: how can any library determine if that feral druid is tanking or dps'ing? :)
17:59.37YabQuestion.. Does Ace2 Have a complete interface? Im sick of dl'ing hundreds of addons
17:59.54ckknightno
17:59.58ckknightnor is it meant to
18:00.11ckknightnevcairiel: kitteh or bare?
18:00.21ckknightbut yea, that is an issue
18:00.28sacarascYab: the threat:damage ratio, maybe?
18:00.34sacarascerm
18:00.43sacarasc*nevcairiel
18:00.50ckknightnevcairiel: granted, it could theoretically inspect the talents individually
18:01.09nevcairielckknight: thats why i took feral .. dps and tank talents are essentially the same :)
18:01.16ckknightlol
18:01.21nevcairielyou could start guessing by gear stats
18:01.27nevcairielbut thats a bit of a stretch :P
18:01.34ckknightand then go specifically by what form they're in later?
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18:02.18Ordogused and active buffs/spell ?
18:02.53Gnarfozckknight: dogtag or cowtip question: sometimes when mouseovering over a player, I get an extra row with a time displayed in it, formatted as m:ss. also, that line is indended some from the left, and I have no idea what the time displayed relates to... any idea? :>
18:03.36ckknightno damn idea
18:03.38Gnarfozheh
18:03.40ckknightanother addon, my guess
18:03.51Gnarfozhm.
18:04.37GnarfozI could probably insert a "---------" line into my cowtip config and see if it's above or below that, to see if it's something external
18:05.25ckknightthat'd work
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18:15.49NimhAnyone can tell what font is used on UFs here? http://5.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/1438/1438284decd1eeff7a891f1271e24e71ae56651.jpg
18:17.32Industriala fugly one.\
18:20.25ChaudWhy does this error occur, XLootGroup\XLootGroup.lua:8: Cannot find a library instance of AnchorsAway-1.0.
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18:20.36dylanmHeh.
18:21.41dylanmDid you check the obvious thing?
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18:24.31dylanmAs in, do you have that library
18:27.43CIA-903trasher * r64524 10AtlasLoot/Constants/constants.fr.lua:
18:27.43CIA-9AtlasLoot:
18:27.43CIA-9- frFR update
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18:36.38ChaudAnchorsAway-1.0 folder in my addons folder
18:37.18NeoTronso I don't believe Illidan has more than one skull of guldan
18:37.37nevcairielwe already had 2
18:37.38xyuwilson
18:37.46nevcairielbut i dont believe illidan has any mementos
18:37.52nevcairiel20 kills and not one
18:37.53xyuthe freshmaker?
18:37.55Kalroththat's odd, we're feeding the skulls to our resto shamans, because everyone else got 'em
18:38.11Kalroth(no, not really :)
18:38.15Grum0 skulls, 2 mementos, 0 archi swords
18:38.15nevcairielheh
18:38.20GagorianI believe Illidan grows bows out of his ass. We've got 16 bows
18:38.25Kalrothhahah
18:38.36nevcairielwe've got _every_ item from _every_ boss at least once
18:38.39Grumthat sounds painful
18:38.40nevcairieljust NOT the memento
18:38.42Stanzilla1 skull, 3 mementos, 2 archi swords
18:38.43nevcairieldamn you illidan!
18:38.58Grumonly 3 pansies from archi!
18:39.05GagorianEveryone in our raid section has an illidan bow in their shattrah e-peen gear
18:39.06NeoTron11 kills, 1 skull
18:39.07nevcairiel2 skulls, 3 archi swords, 2 legendary oh, 1 legendary mh, 0 memento :(
18:39.09NeoTronand 3 mementos
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18:39.30Stanzillaoh... 2 off hands here
18:39.31Grum0 legendarries
18:39.38NeoTron1 mainhand
18:39.40Grumno head
18:39.48nevcairielwhich head?
18:39.51nevcairielcaster or tank?
18:39.53Grumcaster
18:39.57Grum3-4 tank
18:39.58Stanzillawe had 2 caster heads
18:40.01Stanzillaand 1 tank head
18:40.02Grumno shields
18:40.02Chaudour realm has a guild that went something like 27 weeks with no wargliaves, and then got 3 warglaives last 3 weeks =(
18:40.05nevcairielwe had at least 2 caster heads
18:40.07Stanzilla3 shields
18:40.08nevcairiel2 shields
18:40.11NeoTronwe had like 6 of the leather dps heads drop
18:40.13nevcairiel3 tank heads
18:40.18nevcairiel2 leather heads
18:40.24NeoTron3 rogues, 1 ret pally and 1 druid (feral, but mainly tnak) has it
18:40.25nevcairielhe always drops the freaking bow
18:40.32NeoTronand last night a hunter picked it up
18:40.32chiperchaud: well statistically it was bound to happen
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18:40.39Grumwe have had ~10 shards orso
18:40.40ChaudI guess, just kinda weird
18:40.45nevcairielone shard
18:40.49NeoTronzero shards yet
18:40.49Stanzillaone shard
18:40.56Chaudthey are only lower top 100 US, but it took forever to get one
18:40.57NeoTronI hate random + large drops
18:41.07nevcairielbows and healer maces are quite common for us
18:41.14Grum2 maces
18:41.16NeoTronmain thing I don't like about raiding
18:41.18Grumjust 5 wanted
18:41.20Stanzilla2 maces 3 bows
18:41.31NeoTronI'm stuck at 1/5 T6 because I need to maintain a DKP lead for the skull
18:41.44Gnarfoz0 illidan kills, beat that!
18:41.51NeoTronI will not sacrifice the skull for when it does drop
18:41.51NeoTronall other locks (4 of them) have 4/5 or 5/5 t6
18:41.55nevcairiel6 maces
18:42.04nevcairiel5 bows
18:42.38nevcairieli am healer dkp lead right now, so the memento is mine
18:42.43nevcairieli just hope it drops before sunwell
18:42.48nevcairieli dont need shit out of BT anymore
18:42.55nevcairielbut dont want to save my dkp in sunwell :/
18:43.00NeoTronyeah
18:43.07NeoTroni hear you
18:43.08StanzillaI only need the rnd dps rings of bt
18:43.25nevcairieltwo of our shadows already have 2 of those
18:43.26nevcairiel:D
18:43.32Stanzilla:(
18:43.43Stanzillait dropped once and a lock won it
18:43.53NeoTronnon-warlcok t6 gear is starting to go for 1 to 10 DKP (first round min bid is 80 DKP) while lock/priest/pally gear still has high need
18:43.55Gnarfozwe got two of those healer trash drop rings in the same raid last week
18:44.11Stanzillathe healer rings drop all the time
18:44.17Stanzillalike 3 per raid
18:44.32nevcairieli have 2 pieces feral t6 already (secondary equip) .. i wonder when i have the set full =P
18:44.45Stanzillalol
18:44.46nevcairiel5/5 healer t6..
18:45.03Stanzillaour dr00d tank took his third shoulders last night
18:45.19Stanzillanow he has feral tank, feral dps and heal
18:45.20Stanzilla:O
18:45.38Anadaleoomkin set will be next :)
18:45.43Aens[T]heh
18:45.46Aens[T]i'm at 13/15 t6
18:45.54Aens[T]for druid gear
18:46.00Stanzillalol
18:46.06nevcairieli dont even want moonkin gear
18:46.27Aens[T]oh, I specced moonkin for all of a day and half, even though my moonkin set is pretty amazing
18:46.34Aens[T]waste of blessings deck :(
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18:47.15NeoTronsave the t6 tokens for pvp gear
18:47.21kergothunderhood seems nice, needs more styles fo rthe bars though
18:47.32NeoTronwe have a moonkin. I'm glad to have her
18:47.45NeoTronexcept right now because she's the 2nd highest DPS caster for DKP
18:47.51nevcairiellol
18:48.00NeoTronI have a small lead (enough to get an item at min bid of 80)
18:48.17NeoTronbut she has most of the gear she needs
18:48.20NeoTronexcept for a few items
18:48.34nevcairielyou've been savin from BT day1 for the trinket?
18:48.43nevcairielor how did you miss out on all the gear ? =P
18:49.29nevcairielwe would start to kick our members if they still run around with 1/5 t6 when the gear is going for secondary already just because they're saving for _one_ item..
18:51.40Ozgulihow do I make my own frame layouts for ag_uf?
18:51.59OzguliI want relaxing grayscale stuff that doesn't countain any information
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18:53.04Aens[T]NeoTron: the t6 gear only buys old arena gear right?
18:53.20Aens[T]not season 4 gear right?
18:54.10Ozgulianswer with highlight if you will
18:55.36Grumnevcairiel: yes you should
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19:02.32Anadaleping Zeksie
19:03.34CIA-903pachelbel * r64525 10MoBuffs/ (. libs/):
19:03.34CIA-9MoBuffs:
19:03.34CIA-9- externals fix for Tablet-2.0
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19:05.06CIA-903ulic * r64526 10LittleWigs/MagistersTerrace/Kael'thasSunstrider.lua: LittleWigs: Another fix to make TK\Kael & MT\Kael modules play nice
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19:05.55NeoTronSeason 2..
19:06.04NeoTronwell S3 from the sunwell tokens
19:10.33ZeksieAnadale ?
19:10.48Zeksiemake it quick, about to try ZA timed run :)
19:11.51pastamancerOzguli: if you want greyscale with no information, read a newspaper :p
19:11.57AnadaleYep
19:12.39AnadaleZeksie, can you add !buffs alias as well as !buff? for stupid idiots like me?
19:12.39CIA-903merl * r64527 10/branches/mHud/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
19:12.39CIA-9mHud:
19:12.39CIA-9- Fix: Removing of bars should now work
19:12.39CIA-9- Fix: Text resizing should look normal
19:13.45Zeksieheh. yeah
19:16.35PrimerIs it not possible to add link in a curse.com project's description page?
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19:19.39Ordogguess they dont want people escaping their site so easily? :P
19:20.28Primerseems there's no way
19:20.37Primerall I want to do is link to my original video
19:21.16Primersince their video encoding is so aggressive
19:21.27Primerand makes the video too grainy
19:21.42Ozgulipastamancer eheheh
19:21.54Ozgulithe flashy colors just hurt my eyes
19:23.10pastamancerthere should be a layout folder insode the aguf folder.  copy the layou that you're currently using and then tweak it to your liking
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19:23.39pastamanceryou'll also have to update the toc to include your new layou file and change the name of the layout so it doesn't conflict with the layout you copied it fromm
19:24.18PrimerSo I've been playing my son's twink 19 rogue. I find that playing a melee class in WoW to be...odd
19:24.51Josh_Borkeit's different
19:25.19Primerunlike a caster, where you have definite spells being applied to enemies, and cast times, and global CDs, playing a rogue is...different
19:25.25PrimerI mean, I don't know what to do
19:25.37NeoTronstab. from behind.
19:25.38pastamancerpress 2
19:25.51Primerthat's what I do!
19:25.56pastamancerthat's it
19:26.04Primer2 being...sinister strike
19:26.13pastamanceroccasionally, press 3
19:26.19PrimerI then let it go to 5 combo points, and hit slice and dice
19:26.30Primerrinse, repeat
19:26.39Primerif I need to CC someone, I hit gouge
19:26.47pastamanceropen with cheapshot, S&D with your 2 combo points then start mashing SS
19:26.59Primerno such thing at level 19
19:27.10pastamancerno cheapshot?  boo
19:27.16pastamancerwell, use S&D earlier
19:27.28pastamancerthen refresh when it's about to wear off
19:27.58Primerso S&D is preferable over Eviscerate?
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19:28.09Primerand expose armor?
19:28.20PrimerI guess it'd depend on the class I'm going up against
19:28.55pastamancerI'm too used to not using expose armor from pve
19:29.36pastamancerbut yeah, s&d is probably going to be more dps unless you thing a 5pt evisc will give you the killing blow
19:30.22Primershould I bother grinding wailing caverns to get Venomstrike? right now I have the quest twink crossbow
19:31.16PrimerI have a set bonus from the defias set that gives +7 nature damage
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19:32.21Primerhttp://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gorgonnash&n=Happyrogue
19:32.28Primerthat's the character
19:33.27Primerweird, I haven't been in that guild in over a week
19:34.30NeoTronone of our players once left the guild but returned liek 20m later
19:34.44NeoTronhe's been guildless in the armory for months
19:35.04Primerheh
19:35.06nevcairiellol
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19:38.23kergothdoes anyone remember an addon that intercepted worlddefense traffic and summarized it sanely?
19:38.30kergothi reemmber seeing an addon for it, but cant recall what it was
19:38.37pastamancerkergoth: that would be amazing
19:39.26kergothits nice for the world pvp stuff. see when someone capped something so you can take it back, or whatever..
19:39.48pastamancerlike the towers in terokkar
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19:43.08Elkano10 druids kara... wiped on moroes at 1% :/
19:44.03NeoTronthat's a lot of druids
19:44.26nevcairielElkano: you fail
19:44.35kergothi think http://torridreflections.com/wow/ImprovedWorldDefense1.04.zip was what i used to use
19:44.42kergothlast update december 06, but might still work
19:46.15ElkanoNeoTron, well, this is for fun, but my usual group sometimes had 5 ^^
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20:02.57CIA-9Buffet: 03tekkub 07master * r9b935309ec 10Buffet/Buffet.lua: Shorten macro a tad, make sure sequence doesn't fire when using a bandaid
20:03.07CIA-9Buffet: 03tekkub 07master * rec74869f8e 10Buffet/Buffet.lua: Lineendings... bah
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20:06.29CIA-9HatTrick: 03tekkub 07master * rdcddc56a0a 10HatTrick/HatTrick.lua: Lineendings r teh s uck
20:08.13CIA-9tekJunkSeller: 03tekkub 07master * re08ec9cdc2 10tekJunkSeller/ (tekJunkSeller.lua tekJunkSeller.toc): I hate CRLF
20:08.30xyuanyone pretty good at auctioneer?  how do i set appraiser to undercut the current AH buyout price? :D
20:09.31ulicxyu: I just look at the list it returns and make my price lower :)  But I don't AH A  LOT of stuff
20:09.37pastamancerxyu: #norganna?
20:09.52xyupastamancer: nope ^^
20:10.00xyuulic: me either, but i like to be as lazy as possible.
20:10.15xyuwhich usually ends up being more work in the end
20:10.21FinI don't suppose you've ventured as far as looking at the options, have you...
20:10.29xyuof course
20:10.31Fin:P
20:10.43xyui see "max under market price" value
20:10.50xyubut i dont want to undercut market value
20:10.57xyui want to undercut current values :(
20:11.01FinI don't remember the specifics, but I thought it was all pretty self explanatory - and the stuff that wasn't had helpful tooltip descriptions and stuff
20:11.34Finit might not be appraiser that lets you do that, then
20:11.36xyuyeah it is.  I just don't see the actual option.  maybe it is right in front front of me
20:11.37nevcairielxyu: it will max use a 10% derivation from market price by default, so if current bids are way lower .. it simply will not go there :P
20:11.43Finmaybe it's just part of another module
20:12.02xyunevcairiel: yep that's exactly what its doing.
20:12.25xyu"can not match lowest price"  
20:12.25Finif you've got a lot of stuff to sell, you can always just set it to fixed price and choose your own amount
20:12.29Fins'what I do most of the time
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20:13.16xyuyeah that's always an option,  just doesn't help me be lazy.  o.o  I'll just do that for now until i understand more.
20:14.35Finit's reasonable for the addon not to automatically chooes a price that could easily fuck you up the arse
20:15.37Finactually I'd say maybe it's a feature that was added because of people who've manipulated auctioneer users in the past by deliberately skewing prices so stuff gets posted way underprice
20:15.51kenlyricI just skip over items where everything is green or blue
20:16.24Gnarfozis there some function that gets me the ascii value of a letter?
20:16.26kenlyricunless the blue is all items without a buyout
20:16.27Gnarfozchar() is the opposite
20:16.28Finman ascii
20:16.32Fin:P
20:16.36Finord()
20:17.13Finor byte() in Lua maybe
20:17.58Finhttp://pgl.yoyo.org/luai/i/string.byte
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20:28.26Finlua> print(string.char('a'))
20:28.26lua_botFin: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'char' (number expected, got string)
20:28.45Finlua> print(string.byte('a'))
20:28.45lua_botFin: 97
20:28.52Finlua> print(string.char('97'))
20:28.52lua_botFin: a
20:29.07Fin97? must be UTF or summat I guess
20:29.15JakeMDoes anyone know of an alternative to Healbot that takes into account druid heals?
20:29.25JakeMHealbot doesn't communicate my heals to the other healers in the raid.
20:29.28GnarfozFin: it's also 97 in ascii ;)
20:29.39CIA-903sirow * r64528 10LibAvion-2.0/ (. LibAvion-2.0.lua LibAvion-2.0.toc Localization/deDE.lua):
20:29.39CIA-9LibAvion-2.0:
20:29.40CIA-9<PROTECTED>
20:29.40CIA-9<PROTECTED>
20:29.40CIA-9Completly framework indepent now (Only using Rock-Style options table)
20:29.41Finit is? that explains it then!
20:29.48FinI'm a bit drunk sorry
20:29.57Finit's FFEERRRRIIIIIIDAY!
20:30.03Gnarfozit's caturday
20:30.24Finsure!
20:30.32Finif you like
20:30.33Finwhy not
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20:31.45todd`is there an addon that records quests that you do, and shows ones you haven't done in a zone?
20:31.52todd`or can at least list the ones you have done before
20:34.27nevcairielSaroz: wtf did you do to debuff coloring?
20:34.30nevcairielits all black <.<
20:35.02Matrix110tortoise svn fails @repo browsing :D
20:35.23Matrix110orwell the SVN is too big
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20:39.24Saroznevcairiel, minor bug
20:39.30nevcairielfix already
20:39.36SarozI did
20:39.38Sarozbut
20:39.44NeoTron=> GetInstanceDifficulty()
20:40.01nevcairielbut? i updated and its not working :P
20:40.18Sarozthere
20:40.25NeoTron1 = normal, 2 = heroic, 3= epic?! I assume epic = raid
20:40.29CIA-903saroz * r64529 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFrames.lua: sRaidFrames: Undo this
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20:46.03p3limwhat is max buffs? 32 or 36?
20:46.13NeoTron32 would be more logical
20:46.49doc^bla32
20:49.07Josh_Borke40
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20:52.11NeoTron40 debuffs
20:52.16NeoTron32 buffs, no?
20:52.35Xinhuani think its irrelevant, just loop until you get nil ;p
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21:05.59GnarfozNeoTron: epic is epic, raids do not have that setting at all
21:06.20GnarfozNeoTron: it's TBC beta remnant, there were once 3 levels planned
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21:06.29Gnarfoznormal, hard, elite, IIRC
21:06.42Gnarfozgot renamed to normal, heroic[, epic]
21:07.18Gnarfozalso, buff limit is indeed 32, can't have more than that
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21:26.31Elkano\o/ Nightbane down with 10 Druids
21:27.50Dashkaldruid healer mana efficiency ftw?
21:29.06Elkanowell, out healers died twice or so during his flight phase
21:29.31Dashkalstill, very cool
21:29.32kenlyricbattle rez is OP
21:29.40kenlyricdo it with 10 white mages and come back to me
21:30.03Dashkaldid anybody ever manage to beat ff1 with a single white _mage_?
21:30.13Elkanowell, was still fun ^^ and our tank resisted most fears, so there was a bit of luck involved
21:30.15DashkalCause I'm not seeing how you can take down chaos without fade
21:30.25kenlyricI never used fade on chaos
21:30.29NeoTronoh so epic is never used
21:30.32Elkano(and wrt equip, we are standing between T4 and T5)
21:30.33kenlyricbut yeah, chaos would be hard for a white mage
21:30.40kenlyricyou would just have to get lucky on cur4
21:30.56Dashkalthat damn cur4 timer was the bane of many of my "off-group" attempts
21:31.04kenlyricthere was a timer?
21:31.07DashkalI'd buff until the first, then DPS like hell
21:31.13kenlyricI thought it was just random fuckery
21:31.16Dashkalit's on a spell rotation
21:31.21Dashkalhis spells rotate, as do his specials
21:31.26Dashkal(but apart from one-another)
21:31.27kenlyricrandom spell rotation, though.
21:31.36kenlyricsometime he doesn't cast it for a long time
21:31.38Dashkalno, each spell that's player castable was in a rotation
21:32.04Dashkalthe spell rotation only increments when he casts the next spell in the rotation (so if you get lots of specials, the cur4 takes a long time)
21:32.14kenlyricah
21:32.26kenlyricstill, we need more wow bosses with cur4
21:32.34Dashkaloh dear lord that would suck
21:32.38kenlyricindeed
21:32.44kenlyrickids these days and their easy boss fights
21:32.47DashkalWe got Arthas down to 1% and he bloddy well cast cur4!
21:33.23kenlyricI was never even man enough to try four white wizards
21:33.30DashkalI seem to recall a mob in hearthglen that has "cur4" he bubble-heals to full at 10%
21:33.38kenlyricjust the first 10 levels would probably take longer than my life span.
21:33.52DashkalI liked playing caster heavy groups.  But it was harder.  RM/RM/WM/BM
21:34.09Dashkaland I always CC.  There is no way I'm forgoing NUKE
21:34.24Dashkal200-400 nonresitable damage was too much to resist
21:34.43kenlyricI never had RM, ever. When they had him in the guide I thought "who uses a red mage?"
21:34.45kenlyricfucking hybrids
21:35.03DashkalHe's pretty potent for a bryd.  He fights pretty well and gets access to all the third tier elementals
21:35.32DashkalFT/RM/WM/BM is pretty potent
21:35.42DashkalThough I still love BB/BB/WM/BM
21:35.48DashkalProbably my favorite party
21:36.13kenlyricit felt wrong to have gear I couldn't use
21:36.24DashkalIt's amazing how much gear in that game was never coded
21:36.56kenlyricman, i'm gonna play when I get home
21:37.12DashkalI need to hunt down a rom for that again.  I miss it.  WTB virtual console port
21:37.25kenlyricoriginal version with shitty leveling curve, or dumbed down GBA version with decent leveling curve?
21:37.26DashkalAs long as it's ported with bugs intact anyway
21:37.44Dashkalthe orig has an easy curve if you know about the power menisula
21:38.03kenlyricI know about it, but could never make it work. Shit would stomp me in one hit.
21:38.10DashkalFIR2
21:38.14DashkalIt's all about FIR2
21:38.17kenlyricoh, by then I didn't care
21:38.27DashkalFIR2 and you can literally level every fight
21:38.35kenlyricI will try
21:38.40kenlyricand yes, that bug is in the GBA port
21:38.42Dashkalwhen you get 4 giants, you get stomped.
21:39.08kenlyricif virtual console got ff1, i'd sell my children for a wii.
21:39.19Dashkalbut then after a couple fights you have enough cash for a limitless supply of tents, and a few more you can get enough houses to never have to worry about mana.  Spend about an hour there and you can stomp everything right up to lich
21:39.31kenlyricmaybe the whole ff line... only one child for ff1
21:39.50Dashkalnothing bit of trivia: If you get to level 50, a BB or Master can oneshot chaos
21:39.52Dashkalnother*
21:40.17Antiarc" I've spoken with the devs and shiv not being missed or dodged is a bug and was never intended. The changes to the combat log revealed some problems with how this spell is coded and it is being worked on."
21:40.18Dashkalthe leveling curve is bizarre.  after I think it's 31 or so it levels off (same XP to level all the way)
21:40.19AntiarcARRRRGH.
21:40.20AntiarcNOOO.
21:40.43DashkalWTS Expertise gear?
21:41.11Xinhuanmooo
21:41.15Dashkalmwrarf
21:41.45AntiarcDashkal: It was extremely nice to be able to shiv an evasioned rogue :(
21:41.48AntiarcExpertise won't help that
21:42.02DashkalWTS Warrior buddy?
21:42.04AntiarcShiv is purely a PVP ability
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21:42.45DashkalI play a feral druid.  I consider pvp a lost cause *shrugs*
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21:43.05CIA-903pachelbel * r64530 10MoBuffs/libs/:
21:43.05CIA-9MoBuffs:
21:43.05CIA-9-more fixes for externals
21:43.22CIA-903pachelbel * r64531 10MoBuffs/MoBuffs_readme.txt:
21:43.22CIA-9MoBuffs:
21:43.22CIA-9-readme
21:43.27Dashkalthe only reason I bothered was for the weapons, and the Staff of the Forest Lord obsoleted that
21:43.53iNs|Renewis there a way to copy my character profile over to be the default pitbull profile?
21:44.06CIA-903pachelbel * r64532 10MoBuffs/ (MoBuffs.toc embeds.xml):
21:44.06CIA-9MoBuffs:
21:44.06CIA-9-updates to TOC and embeds for externals.
21:45.36Dashkalhmm, I know it can be done, but I forget the way to do it.
21:46.26iNs|RenewI tried to find and replace with my editor, but it just broke pitbull and everything went to the ugly default
21:46.28Dashkalhmm, I need to update Nexus's wiki page.  It's out of date
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21:51.36DashkaliNs|Renew: (Just in case, backup your wtf before following my advice -- I'm at work so I can't test)  You should be able to switch to the one you want to copy _to_ then copy the one you want over the current.  Do this in the /rock options for pitbull
21:52.26iNs|Renewyea that sorta works, but it doesnt bring over every setting like auras etc
21:52.30iNs|Renewill just recreate it
21:52.34iNs|Renewthanks though :p
21:52.43Dashkalit should at least give you the baseline to work from anyway
21:53.07iNs|Renewyup
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22:00.08Dashkalwell that was an entertaining diversion.  youtube gave me a 500.  youtube coughs up some data on a 500 that you're supposed to send back to google when it barfs...  wish I knew what that data meant.  Looks like base64 with a tweaked alphabet
22:01.05DashkalProbably a weakly encrypted stacktrace or some such
22:02.11ElkanoKurator down... but hunter, warlock, mage tocken :/
22:02.36DashkalOf course!
22:03.39Dashkalhmm, what I'd really like to see on the wii virtual console is Chrono Trigger
22:04.59ElkanoCT was fun, right ^^
22:05.47DashkalI consider it in the top 3 of snes games :p  along with ff6 and super metroid
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22:08.00Knaledgeckknight you there?
22:08.22Knaledgementalpower you there?
22:08.33Knaledgekemayo you there?
22:08.46MentalPowerKnaledge: yes
22:08.48CIA-903break19 * r64533 10BlizUF_LMH4/ (. BlizUF.lua BlizUF_LMH4.toc): BlizUF_LMH4: Added simple GUI to configure settings.
22:08.54KnaledgeI'll see you in norg
22:09.10ckknightKnaledge: hrm?
22:10.01CIA-903break19 * r64534 10BlizUF_LMH4/embeds.xml: BlizUF_LMH4: oops, forgot to update embeds.xml
22:11.54CIA-903ackis * r64535 10AckisRecipeList/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
22:11.54CIA-9AckisRecipeList:
22:11.54CIA-9- All pre-BC Alchemy done
22:11.54CIA-9- Added options to filter out scryer/aldor reps. Don't actually work yet.
22:11.54CIA-9- Modified Major Mana localization and added new ["Spectral Essence Obt"] localization
22:12.28DashkalYou'd think he would have rizen as a zombie rather than been incenerated
22:12.43chiperuhg, this day is going by so fucking slow
22:13.51CamciHow do i register name with nickserv ? completly forgot....
22:14.43Dashkal<PROTECTED>
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22:20.23KemayoKnaledge: More or less.
22:20.48Zeksieso, LibTalents-1.0 or LibTalentQuery-1.0 ?
22:20.58Zeksiewhich one works
22:21.46DashkalHow did the ZA run go?
22:22.35Zeksieour shammy got a war bear ;)
22:22.57Zeksieabout 2 mins to spare too
22:23.01CIA-903kemayo 07kemayo * r64536 10LibQuixote-2.0/LibSancho-1.0.lua: LibQuixote-2.0: Modify that compat layer.
22:23.02CIA-903break19 * r64537 10BlizUF_LMH4/ (. embeds.xml): BlizUF_LMH4: Oops. another missing embed. This should do it.. I hope. :)
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22:23.19PrimerIs the curse.com dude here?
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22:25.40PrimerIs here any way to add a link to a curse.com project description?
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22:29.40pastamancerPrimer: [http://foooo]
22:30.27Primerhey! it works! thanks :)
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22:31.17pastamancerthe renderer is wiki-ish
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22:38.47Xinhuani just earned myself 500g ;p
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22:39.26Xinhuandire maul arena boss (razaa) spawned
22:39.32Xinhuansome hunter was soloing it with pet tanking
22:39.53Xinhuanso i waited until it was on 10k health, jumped in, icelanced the boss once for 300 damage just to "tag it"
22:40.09Xinhuankilled the hunter, then 1-shot the boss which was on about 1k health by then ;p
22:40.13XinhuanOrb of Deception ftw
22:40.19Orionshocklol
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22:47.52DashkalZeksie: Congrats :D
22:50.10NeoTronrecent Illidan kill dmg dealt: 1) lock, 2) ele shammy, 3) balance druid, 4) lock
22:50.38Solerogues?
22:50.40NeoTron"zomgzors balance druids sux wtf!"
22:50.46NeoTronrogues were 8 and 10
22:50.52Sole>_<
22:50.57Xinhuanlock and spriest should be on top for illidan
22:50.59NeoTronillidan is not melee friendly
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22:51.04NeoTronSP was 5th
22:51.16NeoTronI was 9th (lock)
22:51.51NeoTronbut .. I am the tank
22:52.13Xinhuanhave u, as the lock tank
22:52.25Xinhuanever got double
22:52.34Xinhuandemoned before?
22:52.42NeoTronI've died from demons. rpetty sure I've gotten two at least once
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22:53.04NeoTronwhat we do is that I get a baseline threat and then run back way out of my cast range
22:53.06Xinhuanhehe
22:53.08NeoTronjust to get more time
22:53.09Xinhuanya same
22:54.21NeoTronlast night I even use stamina food and elixirs
22:54.30NeoTronbecause we had had some healing issues where I died
22:54.39NeoTron17k health with commanding shout
22:55.05*** join/#wowace rikexdddd (i=fn-javac@201.11.218.77)
22:55.15rikexddddBUCETA!
22:55.17rikexddddCARALHO!
22:55.19rikexddddPORRA!
22:55.32rikexddddBANDO DE FILHO DA PUTA
22:57.21DashkalO.o Did we just get randomly spammed out in Spanish?
22:59.12Zeksiei think maybe... or he was looking for his dog.
22:59.19NeoTrondogs clearly
22:59.55DashkalGoogle sadly fails with curses.  I can assume the first but the second and third lost me
23:00.53Xinhuanu sure that's spanish? hehe
23:00.58Xinhuan~x es en BANDO DE FILHO DA PUTA
23:01.00MoonWolfhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AXPnH0C9UA <- brilliance.
23:01.04DashkalNot at all sure
23:01.13DashkalLatin-derived anyway
23:01.30Daemonamexican, spanish, puertorican who cares?
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23:01.55Primerthat's Portuguese
23:02.09Primerfrom Brazil
23:02.34Primer<-- Brazilian
23:02.48KuraxDid Ackis showed up?
23:03.06pastamancerand indeed that was a brazillian ip
23:03.24Xinhuanwhat did he say?
23:03.30DashkalHey, that got a better translation from google.  Still missing some word, but I assume they're curses.
23:03.34Dashkalwords*
23:03.49NeoTron~x pt en BUCETA CARALHO PORRA
23:03.56PrimerBuceta == Pussy
23:04.06PrimerCaralho == dick, very slangish
23:04.22NeoTron~x  pt en BANDO DE FILHO DA PUTA
23:04.23PrimerPorra == ejaculate, but not used in that context. It's more like "Fuck!"
23:04.34CIA-903kurax * r64538 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ARLLocals-zhCN.lua:
23:04.34CIA-9AckisRecipeList:
23:04.34CIA-9- zhCN localization update
23:04.37PrimerBando de filho da puta == bunch of sons of bitches
23:04.39JJSheetslmao, MoonWolf
23:04.56NeoTronweird
23:05.04NeoTronthanks for the oh so important language lesson
23:05.08Xinhuanhaha
23:05.12Primerhey, you asked
23:05.29NeoTron~x en pt Thank you Primer, that was helpful.
23:05.31DashkalHey, if we're gonna get cursed at we should at least know how offensive they're trying to be :p
23:05.49Primerde nada (yes, that's the same in Spanish too)
23:06.55AnadaleJesus, that was the most stupid raid today. 8 wipes on Azgalor. Rogues do not even THINK about moving out of rain of fire :(
23:07.30keissthats why we put all the melee on the adds :)
23:07.56NeoTronso is it true if yu keep all melee out, that you can avoid RoF on ranged entirely?
23:07.59NeoTroni.e outrange it
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23:08.07keissif you have 40yds ,yes
23:08.10AnadaleNo, they usually dd ok. but today, oohh, that's a special day
23:08.17CIA-903saroz * r64539 10AckisRecipeList/ (AckisRecipeList.lua RecipeDB/ARL-Alchemy.lua):
23:08.17CIA-9AckisRecipeList:
23:08.17CIA-9- Noone does syntax checks before committing anymore?
23:08.24NeoTronso mages and MM hunters i.e like 2 ppl in the raid? :P
23:08.35keisswe do it like this ... all 40yds ranged is in 1 spot , and ppl with less range are spread , melee on adds
23:09.01NeoTronwon't ppl that are sread out get RoF and hit the 40 yrd ppl
23:09.17keissno , thats why they arent with the raid , but spread out
23:09.18DashkalMoonWolf: that was awesome
23:09.22AnadaleOne of the most noticeble jokes of today raid was a warrior tank running to necromancer with a shout "heal me!" and getting all 6 shadowbolts. and of course he was oor for healers.
23:09.27keissonly 1 gets the fire at most ...
23:10.02NeoTronis the outer range of the RoF never beyond the 40 yrd?
23:11.26Anadaleour rangers are spread out and run out of RoF without any problem
23:11.34keissno , only time it fails is if someone isnt at max range
23:11.41Anadaleso we do not even thought about outranging it
23:12.04keisswell , with our tactics 90% of the raid doesnt have to move the whole fight
23:12.24Anadaleyou mean mages and hunters one spot @40y?
23:12.32Anadaleand everyone else on adds?
23:12.33keissand healers
23:12.59keissranged dps with less than 40yds stand away from that spot ... so if they get it they are the only ones
23:14.35Anadalehmm. will try that on monday
23:15.35Anadaleanyway, I'm going to farm bed. GL & HF!
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23:22.06CIA-903zeksie * r64540 10ZOMGBuffs/ (5 files in 4 dirs):
23:22.06CIA-9ZOMGBuffs
23:22.06CIA-9- Fixed an issue with receive talents from Rock, when they translated to Blessings Manager.
23:22.06CIA-9- Talent query code a lot more robust now.
23:22.06CIA-9- PallyPower comms module will no longer nuke the talent inspector meta table.
23:22.26NeoTronI thought only MM hunters had 40 yrd range?
23:22.51Zeksieit's top row of survival tree afaik
23:23.48DashkalHawk Eye (Survival tier 1) at 3/3 -> Increases the range of your ranged weapons by 6 yards.
23:24.05NeoTronhmm
23:24.19NeoTronsurvival doesn't seem like something BM hunters typically spec into
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23:25.12CodayusBest raiding build is deep BM, and MM down to the imp crit damage talent.
23:25.29NeoTronCodayus: yep that is what I'm seeing
23:26.01NeoTronZeksie: do you use some lib to get talents? I need to add it to Magic Marker
23:26.02NeoTronspecifically I need to be able to get a player role
23:26.02CodayusWith 0 points in survival; moving any points out of BM or MM results in a sharp DPS drop, and imp range is...nice, but the DPS benefits are pretty close to zero.
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23:27.14keissLibTalents-1.0 ? (+u scrub does it i think)
23:27.37CIA-903odlaw * r64541 10PassLoot/ (6 files): PassLoot: toc update, and formatting.
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23:28.03CIA-903ackis * r64542 10AckisRecipeList/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
23:28.03CIA-9AckisRecipeList:
23:28.03CIA-9- Typo fixes
23:28.03CIA-9- Bug fix with missing vendor ID
23:28.03CIA-9- Saroz if you'd read the thread you'd see where I posted about work being done while I'm at work, and typos being a minor problem until I get home to check it.
23:28.10CodayusNeoTron: You could check how GridDynamicLayout works.  Not sure if it checks talents or not, but it does check stances and buffs, which is nifty.
23:28.38Sarozuhh
23:28.44Sarozwell I dont read forums, I update mods
23:29.04CodayusSince defensive stance and the +threat buff for paladins is pretty much the best way if figuring out if they're tanking.  The downside, of course, is you can't query a warrior for stance - have to just watch for a stance change.  Which sucks...
23:29.42NeoTronso I think I only need spec
23:29.46NeoTronlike "prot spec"
23:29.48Codayus(Not sure what roles you care about for magic marker though...)
23:29.50NeoTronsince the default is always tank
23:29.54keissNeoTron: check how scrub does it
23:30.12NeoTronI want to be able to limit CC by role (i.e don't have feral druids hibernate)
23:30.32CodayusHm, I vaguely recall seeing the talent check code in scrub; it was pretty short I think.
23:30.46NeoTronok I'l check it out tonight
23:30.56CIA-903saroz * r64543 10Aurora/Aurora.lua: Aurora: This should work
23:31.01Codayuskeiss: We do it on the Al'ars trash.
23:31.03Daemonakeiss pre-bear boss
23:31.13Daemonayou can skip a 2 bear pull by hibernating one
23:31.19Daemonaand ride past the pull ;)
23:31.34keisshehe ok :)
23:31.41Megalonsooth animal, hibernating will certainly pull the other bear :p
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23:36.15Sarozckknight, wondering, why is ToggleActive() part of AceDB?
23:37.04NeoTronkeiss: we use it pre-bloodboil on the 8-packs
23:37.17AntiarcCodayus: Err. I'm pretty sure you can get a warrior's stance. Unless you mean a third party observing from the outside.
23:37.50NeoTronthird party
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23:38.11DashkalCould I get a critique on a leveling hunter BM/MM spec? http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cEbh0xxoVuVoVxbRV BM to 41 first, then into MM
23:38.36CIA-903ackis * r64544 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList.lua:
23:38.36CIA-9AckisRecipeList:
23:38.36CIA-9- Filtering code optimization
23:38.44keissNeoTron: hm , we just aoe those if i remember correctly
23:38.56Grumyeah hehe just one elite or 2
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23:42.28break19Dashkal: its ok.. but personally, I'd go for the catlike reflexes over the 5/5 in imp aspect of hawk.
23:43.02DashkalCatlike is past the "wall" I hit while speccing.  I'd need to dump in tier 1 or 2 to get there.  suggestions?
23:43.08break19Dashkal: it'll improve your pet's survivability, and by extension, your own.
23:43.09harldephinwhat was that add-on called again, that can automatically disable/leave/block certain channels when being in a city?
23:43.17break19yea. dump some of imp hawk
23:44.02break19if you can put 1 point in mend pet, it'll help reduce dot damage on your pet as well.
23:44.23CIA-903ackis * r64545 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList.lua:
23:44.23CIA-9AckisRecipeList:
23:44.23CIA-9- Added Scryer/Aldor filtering functionality
23:44.27DashkalI hit a wall right here: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cVbh0xxoZVxbRV
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23:44.42DashkalWhere I need 4 points to get to the next tier
23:45.27Grumwhat lvl? waht purpose?
23:45.35DashkalGrum: Leveling spec
23:45.40break19put 1 into mendpet.
23:45.45Grumbestial swiftness
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23:46.19DashkalMP + BS + BD would get past the wall
23:46.26Dashkalbut that doesn't leave enough points for catlike
23:46.59Grumhttp://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cVbhztxRZVxbRV <-- i'd do that to get past it
23:47.16Grum1xBS, 1xIMP, 2xBD
23:47.22break19http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cVbh0xxoZVxbRV
23:47.54Dashkalbreak19: you didn't make the new link (that's mine back at me)
23:48.05break19oops
23:48.23break19http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cqbh0txRVkAoVxbRV
23:48.51Grumif you are still leveling Bestial Swiftness is REALLY useful
23:49.06CIA-903ackis * r64546 10HealOrganizer/HealOrganizer.lua:
23:49.06CIA-9HealOrganizer:
23:49.06CIA-9-Alphabetize the drop down list to allow people to name raids like "SSC - foo" and "TK - bar", etc.
23:49.39break19grum: depends on the pet.. pig pet, swiftness is basically useless :)
23:49.46break19same with a cat+dash
23:50.09Grumwhile leveling, you should have a boar
23:50.36Primerhttp://fukung.net/v/1349/wow4twiw3ji1.gif
23:50.48Primerthat's just terrible
23:50.51Primerbut funny
23:52.03Grumif you are such a fool to post it on the public forums .. you ask for it
23:52.40xyui'm sorry but there have been way too many fake "so and so died, this is his relative" posts
23:52.48xyuthat i dn't believe any of them anymore
23:52.57Grumyup
23:53.58xyuin my opinion it's just a desperate way to get praise for playing a video game that ultimately means nothing :P
23:54.02*** join/#wowace RLD_osx (n=rldempse@66-169-191-207.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com)
23:54.58harldephinit's the hunter that died, not the real person "behind" it
23:55.11harldephinso.. whatever..
23:55.25harldephinreally..
23:56.30PrimerHey, today is steak and BJ day!
23:56.35Kuraxfeign death failure
23:57.04Dashkalsorry all, major boss aggro
23:57.06Dashkalwill return soonish

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