IRC log for #wowace on 20080313

`00:00.08`	`NeoTron`	`judge anything?`
`00:00.16`	`QuantumDelta`	`You start with a JoR for initial threat but JoV > JoR after 3 stacks`
`00:00.29`	`NeoTron`	`I thought JoR was overall better scaling than JoV`
`00:00.32`	`NeoTron`	`did they change it?`
`00:00.36`	`QuantumDelta`	`It does scale better`
`00:00.43`	`QuantumDelta`	`but the flip point is over 1100 SD`
`00:00.48`	`NeoTron`	`ah`
`00:00.53`	`QuantumDelta`	`(*Raid buffed)`
`00:02.00`	`QuantumDelta`	`seal swapping is insane though`
`00:02.20`	`QuantumDelta`	`It's so hard to do properly`
`00:02.22`	`NeoTron`	`so how long time do you give yourself to restart SoV?`
`00:03.00`	`QuantumDelta`	`the ideal rotation with the gavel is simply 2 swings sor 1 swing sov, jov, repeat`
`00:03.19`	`KarlThePagan`	`ohhhhh`
`00:03.58`	`QuantumDelta`	`.....but it's different with every single weapon and you have to be aware that if you resist, miss, or don't proc a stack on your sov swing you'll need to swing again before judging`
`00:03.58`	`KarlThePagan`	`i see why you're using a slow weapon - for garanteed sov proc?`
`00:03.58`	`QuantumDelta`	`bingo`
`00:03.59`	`KarlThePagan`	`... it can learn!`
`00:03.59`	`mytos`	`doubtful`
`00:04.44`	`NeoTron`	`is SoV really guaranteed to apply on one hit/ Isn't there a proc chance involved?`
`00:04.47`	`NeoTron`	`or did that change?`
`00:05.02`	`KarlThePagan`	`if it's procs per minute and you have a really slow swing I think it is garanteed`
`00:05.21`	`QuantumDelta`	`It's only guaranteed at 3 speed weapons ;\`
`00:05.24`	`KarlThePagan`	`blizzard is good at chance to hit over time stuff math`
`00:05.27`	`KarlThePagan`	`oh :(`
`00:05.57`	`QuantumDelta`	`hehe you shoulda seen our first teron attempts`
`00:05.58`	`KarlThePagan`	`but yea... there shouldn't be any randomness involved at all if you have a proper weapon speed`
`00:06.01`	`QuantumDelta`	`before they 'fixed' sov`
`00:06.10`	`NeoTron`	`Gavel of Unearthed Secrets?`
`00:06.13`	`QuantumDelta`	`you know how lifebloom used to be with the +healing?`
`00:06.27`	`KarlThePagan`	`trinket then reapply?`
`00:06.33`	`QuantumDelta`	`SoV was the same.`
`00:06.36`	`KarlThePagan`	`hahaha`
`00:06.45`	`QuantumDelta`	`I managed to hit 3k TPS on Teron`
`00:06.46`	`NeoTron`	`so trinket/PI/wings?`
`00:06.51`	`QuantumDelta`	`lol`
`00:06.57`	`QuantumDelta`	`+pot`
`00:06.58`	`QuantumDelta`	`;P`
`00:07.10`	`KarlThePagan`	`dude ... dude... go to ZF and get the oldschool trinket`
`00:07.17`	`KarlThePagan`	`+ broken SoV == lolololol`
`00:07.25`	`QuantumDelta`	`I had it that trinket :P`
`00:07.33`	`sun\sehmet`	`id Rabbit around ?`
`00:07.36`	`sun\sehmet`	`NRT author`
`00:07.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`ZHC ftw`
`00:07.55`	`sun\sehmet`	`or maybe anyone made NRT work with EQDKP ?`
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`00:08.44`	`KarlThePagan`	`I'm not sure but I thought vhaarr ate people alive for requesting features like that ;)`
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`00:11.06`	`QuantumDelta`	`Actually NeoTron`
`00:11.19`	`QuantumDelta`	`You know the Al'ar trinket stacks with other spelldmg trinkets since it's a proc? ;p`
`00:11.50`	`QuantumDelta`	`You could actually apply stacks at PI+Wings+Destruction pot+alar trinket+41 badge SD trinket`
`00:12.05`	`QuantumDelta`	`all you have to do was swing sov and you could afk tank... agro wise ;\`
`00:13.40`	`Camci`	`Is there an action bar addon that changes when you are in combat and changes when your out of combat?`
`00:14.02`	`mytos`	`is that possible?`
`00:14.10`	`Camci`	`I Dont know thats why im asking :P`
`00:14.30`	`KarlThePagan`	`hmmm [combat] is a macro condition right?`
`00:14.37`	`durcyn`	`stances and paging are the only way to change bars, and i believe both require hardware input`
`00:15.00`	`Camci`	`so, in combat and out of combat wont be able to do something like that?`
`00:15.09`	`Diao`	`bt3 + modality`
`00:15.10`	`durcyn`	`yeah, a bunch of conditional macros would work`
`00:15.13`	`Camci`	`I recall it was that they changed with the changed of the UI`
`00:15.27`	`durcyn`	`not sure, try what diao suggested`
`00:15.36`	`Camci`	`modality?`
`00:15.40`	`Camci`	`whats that?`
`00:15.40`	`Codayus`	`If macros work, then AFAIK, you can do it in an addon, although it may be a pain to write.`
`00:15.51`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea that's what i'm thinking Codayus`
`00:16.10`	`Camci`	`its for a friend of mine and hes a clicker :PP`
`00:16.17`	`Diao`	`modality is an advanced bar paging mod for bt3`
`00:16.20`	`Camci`	`so he dont use keybindings`
`00:16.26`	`Diao`	`you can use any setting you like that works in a macro conditional`
`00:16.29`	`Codayus`	`(Pretty sure there's 100% overlap between the macro conditionals and what the secure headers can do.)`
`00:16.56`	`Camci`	`Diao that can be found in wowace?`
`00:16.59`	`Diao`	`yep`
`00:17.01`	`Tuller`	`there is`
`00:17.14`	`Camci`	`Thank you ill tell him to try it`
`00:17.24`	`Camci`	`Is it hard? cuz hes kinda nab when it comes to addons`
`00:17.26`	`Diao`	`uh`
`00:17.31`	`Camci`	`:P`
`00:17.32`	`Diao`	`you need bt3 and modality`
`00:17.37`	`Diao`	`then go to bt3 config`
`00:17.43`	`Diao`	`under bar, button paging, set it to advanced mode`
`00:17.46`	`Diao`	`then type in the conditional you want`
`00:17.53`	`Diao`	`and which bar to page it to`
`00:17.57`	`Diao`	`it's like using a macro for the entire bar`
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`00:18.20`	`mytos`	`would that conflict with druid stancing ?`
`00:18.20`	`Camci`	`So you will be able to switch bar from in combat and out of combat?`
`00:18.29`	`Diao`	`yep`
`00:18.34`	`Diao`	`just set combat as the conditional`
`00:18.42`	`Diao`	`then set a bar for one and another bar for the other`
`00:18.49`	`Diao`	`and whenever you get into combat the bar should autoswitch`
`00:18.52`	`Camci`	`ah`
`00:19.02`	`Camci`	`infact ill try it myself too`
`00:19.04`	`Camci`	`thank you`
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`00:20.34`	`Tuller`	`[target=focus,equip:Shield]pants;nothing!`
`00:21.52`	`NeoTron`	`Nice. http://www.ohloh.net/projects/4590/contributors`
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`00:23.10`	`Diao`	`i just hope someone updates modality for bt4`
`00:23.26`	`mytos`	`bt4?`
`00:23.42`	`NeoTron`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:23.50`	`NeoTron`	`This is one of the largest open-source teams in the world, and is in the top 2% of all project teams on Ohloh.`
`00:23.59`	`Diao`	`bartender4`
`00:24.00`	`Tuller`	`wowace, you mean`
`00:24.04`	`Tuller`	`not ace :P`
`00:24.16`	`NeoTron`	`Tuller: that is how the project is named on ohloh`
`00:24.20`	`Camci`	`bt4 wut ?`
`00:24.38`	`Camci`	`there is a gt4? :P`
`00:24.41`	`Camci`	`bt*`
`00:24.45`	`Diao`	`in beta`
`00:24.45`	`Diao`	`yes`
`00:24.48`	`Diao`	`or alpha`
`00:24.49`	`mytos`	`is bt4 already out? im totally lost on this stuff, you guys keep meantioning recount2 and omen2 aswell`
`00:24.51`	`Camci`	`aha`
`00:24.54`	`Camci`	`ace3 ?`
`00:24.57`	`Diao`	`yea`
`00:25.01`	`Camci`	`cool`
`00:25.02`	`JoshBorke`	`any alliance on SR want in on kara?`
`00:25.04`	`Diao`	`those refer to test realm version mytos`
`00:25.08`	`Camci`	`recout 2 and omen 2 ace3 too i guess?`
`00:25.17`	`Antiarc`	`Omen2 is Ace3, yes.`
`00:25.21`	`Diao`	`sorta yes`
`00:25.24`	`Diao`	`they're designed for 2.4`
`00:25.27`	`Diao`	`with CL changes`
`00:25.30`	`Camci`	`looks promisin, Omen the "1" is already imba :P`
`00:25.51`	`Cryect`	`Recount 2 is Ace3 as well but that doesn't really mean much (Recount 1 is also Ace 3 in 2.4 also)`
`00:26.21`	`Camci`	`i hope they can do something about the mass amount of storage it takes for recount...`
`00:26.23`	`JoshBorke`	`Cryect: come to kara!`
`00:26.32`	`Cryect`	`wth are those kudo ranks on that page?`
`00:26.37`	`Diao`	`well it stores a lot of data, not much you can do about that`
`00:26.47`	`NeoTron`	`Cryect: I dunno but I hav e7`
`00:27.00`	`Camci`	`yea, thats why i havent used any dmg meter addons for over a year`
`00:27.20`	`Cryect`	`JoshBorke: Heh I need to clean my apt`
`00:27.30`	`JoshBorke`	`:-(`
`00:27.32`	`Cryect`	`Neotron: haha thats amusing 5 commits and 7 kudo :-p`
`00:27.33`	`JoshBorke`	`we are 8 manning it`
`00:27.47`	`JoshBorke`	`just come auto-attack on bosses :-P`
`00:27.55`	`Cryect`	`I guess because you actually set yourself`
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`00:29.30`	`Cryect`	`Recount 2 I should say is drastically less memory than Recount under some circumstances though potentially more on others`
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`00:30.03`	`NeoTron`	`Cryect: I have other projects`
`00:30.04`	`Cryect`	`Since combatants are stored as seperate GUID's instead of combined under a name that results in a potential memory increase`
`00:30.09`	`NeoTron`	`http://www.ohloh.net/accounts/7925`
`00:30.23`	`Cryect`	`ah!`
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`00:33.50`	`Cryect`	`heh estimated $40 million to write all the code on Ace svn`
`00:34.12`	`CIA-9`	`03bam * r64404 10MoBuffs/libs/ (21 files in 21 dirs): MoBuffs: Use externals please`
`00:37.20`	`Kaelten`	`heh`
`00:37.27`	`Kaelten`	`well it is > 2million lines`
`00:37.58`	`Cryect`	`yeah says almost 3 million`
`00:38.25`	`Kaelten`	`heh`
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`00:40.16`	`Kalroth`	`Cryect: Where's Recount 2?!`
`00:40.34`	`Cryect`	`slowly being made`
`00:40.48`	`Tuller`	`bloat!`
`00:40.52`	`JoshBorke`	`wtb 1 DPS for kara`
`00:41.03`	`Tuller`	`as in I wonder if it counts externals :P`
`00:41.19`	`Cryect`	`Kaelten, you know fish is broken?`
`00:41.30`	`Kaelten`	`I just restarted it :(`
`00:41.37`	`Cryect`	`Well that might be why?`
`00:41.55`	`Kaelten`	`well an hour or so ago I restarted it`
`00:41.58`	`Cryect`	`oh`
`00:42.15`	`Cryect`	`bitching about unable to forward this request at this time`
`00:42.38`	`JoshBorke`	`takes a minute to restatr`
`00:45.27`	`CIA-9`	`037destiny 072.4 * r64405 10WitchHunt/locales/koKR.lua: WitchHunt: - koKR Updata`
`00:45.37`	`Kemayo`	`I should have expected this... queues.`
`00:45.59`	`Camci`	`http://www.playrequiem.com/index.aspx`
`00:46.03`	`Camci`	`looks cool`
`00:46.11`	`Camci`	`meh almost same as hellgate london`
`00:46.18`	`Camci`	`got boring after 20 levels`
`00:46.21`	`Camci`	`>_>`
`00:46.39`	`Kemayo`	`From that front page, it looks like it's trying too hard.`
`00:46.47`	`Cryect`	`by looks cool you mean it doesn't look cool if you've seen videos of it`
`00:47.08`	`Cryect`	`Heh lets say we were intrigued at my company when we saw the press release then we see the trailer and laughed`
`00:47.13`	`Camci`	`well i thought it was a FPS first`
`00:47.27`	`Cryect`	`a "horror" mmo without any horror`
`00:47.30`	`Camci`	`it said all that like "prepare for nightmares" and im like "wohoo evil FPS"`
`00:47.38`	`Camci`	`but meh`
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`00:48.09`	`Xinhuan`	`does anyone have any tests that prove that having 1 central frame (in aceevent) is better than having each addon have their own frame to register their own events?`
`00:48.26`	`JoshBorke`	`no`
`00:48.33`	`Xinhuan`	`aceevent-3.0 uses a wrapped xpcall() that is about 4x as expensive as the aceevent-2.0's pcall()`
`00:48.34`	`JoshBorke`	`it's not "better"`
`00:48.44`	`Xinhuan`	`so i'm not convinced from a performance standpoint`
`00:48.45`	`JoshBorke`	`xpcall preserves the debug stack`
`00:48.48`	`Xinhuan`	`that we should use aceevent`
`00:48.50`	`JoshBorke`	`don't use aceevent`
`00:49.17`	`Cryect`	`Xinhuan, yeah I've been wondering that myself`
`00:49.27`	`JoshBorke`	`don't use aceevent`
`00:49.29`	`JoshBorke`	`what does it get you?`
`00:49.38`	`Cryect`	`When I was checking the time it was taking I was like why am I using aceevent`
`00:49.38`	`Xinhuan`	`well somebody must have come up with the conclusion that aceevent central event handling is better`
`00:49.40`	`Xinhuan`	`years ago`
`00:49.47`	`Xinhuan`	`where is this proof?`
`00:50.11`	`Cryect`	`I'm curious why there is an AceGui-3.0 thats ~120kb of code`
`00:50.21`	`JoshBorke`	`local frame = CreateFrame("Frame"); frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function(f, event, ...) if handler[event] then handler[event](...) end)`
`00:50.47`	`JoshBorke`	`why use ace event?`
`00:50.58`	`Xinhuan`	`i know this josh, i'm questioning the efficiency of aceevent-3.0 over my own event handler that does its own tablelookup calls without the xpcall overhead`
`00:51.11`	`JoshBorke`	`and i'm trying to point out that there isn't ;-)`
`00:51.32`	`JoshBorke`	`cryect: because it is Ace3Gui and has most widgets available`
`00:51.33`	`Xinhuan`	`somebody in the past MUST have done some tests or otherwise`
`00:51.46`	`Xinhuan`	`that somehow showed that having a central event frame is better`
`00:51.54`	`Cryect`	`But the widgets are like the basic widgets`
`00:51.55`	`Kemayo`	Funkeh`: Going to make those statsblocks snap to each other?
`00:52.02`	`vhaarr`	`AceEvent-2.0 was converted to using one frame per addon at some point, but it was reverted, and I don't remember why.`
`00:52.03`	`Cryect`	`there isn't like new widgets`
`00:52.13`	`Kemayo`	`Xinhuan: I remember ckknight changing Ac... what vhaarr said.`
`00:52.13`	`JoshBorke`	`nope`
`00:52.22`	`JoshBorke`	`because it wasn't tested vhaar`
`00:52.30`	`JoshBorke`	`and broke shit`
`00:52.32`	`Cryect`	`It was converted so the time would get attributed to the addons correctly with profiling`
`00:52.38`	`vhaarr`	`right`
`00:52.40`	`Cryect`	`and ckknight broke everything and reverted it`
`00:52.51`	`vhaarr`	`and then the revert broke as well`
`00:52.56`	`ckknight`	`yea, there was a horrible issue with the upgrading process`
`00:52.57`	`vhaarr`	`because it broke the upgrade path`
`00:52.58`	`Cryect`	`no one was willing to take the time to get it working correctly`
`00:53.14`	`JoshBorke`	`because there wasn't a benefit`
`00:53.18`	`Cryect`	`Well there was`
`00:53.23`	`JoshBorke`	`so what if profiling is attributed correctly`
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`00:53.35`	`JoshBorke`	`that should only be important while performance tuning your mod`
`00:53.37`	`Cryect`	`Profiling wouldn't attribute all time used by aceevent etc`
`00:53.41`	`Xinhuan`	`ckknight, so were there any tests that proved in the first place that having 1 central frame receiving events (and doing 40 pcalls) was better than having 40 frames listening for their own events?`
`00:54.03`	`Cryect`	`because someone would bitch at embedded addons that some addon with the name A uses a ton of processing time`
`00:54.08`	`Cryect`	`when its really addon Z`
`00:54.48`	`JoshBorke`	`who cares about the users ;-P`
`00:55.22`	`Cryect`	`I mean we are still working on convincing users that memory usage means little`
`00:55.26`	`NeoTron`	`https://sourceforge.net/projects/dumpmpeg wow flashback. I wrote that back in the days to be able to make screenshots from mpeg files :P`
`00:55.35`	`Cryect`	`haha`
`00:55.47`	`JoshBorke`	`Xinhuan: as far as 1 frame for ace event, that probably harcons back to Ace1`
`00:55.49`	`QuantumDelta`	`cpu timez`
`00:56.03`	`QuantumDelta`	`though Cryect, in a ram starved system it can still mean quite a bit ;\`
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`00:56.09`	`JoshBorke`	`when you had to create frames in XML`
`00:56.24`	`NeoTron`	`memory usage means stuff`
`00:56.35`	`Cryect`	`if you have a ram starved system I recommend you spend $20 and buy some RAM`
`00:56.38`	`NeoTron`	`I know for sure my UI becomes worse when I have 150+MB of ui memory`
`00:56.49`	`NeoTron`	`it's not about system memory it's about lua efficiency with lots of heap`
`00:57.05`	`QuantumDelta`	`hey my baby can handle FHD np so it's not like wows ever gonna tax it ;\`
`00:57.09`	`NeoTron`	`i.e it's really a CPU issue not memory usage per se`
`00:57.27`	`ckknight`	`Xinhuan: I took Slouken's word for it, he turned out to be wrong anyway`
`00:57.34`	`ckknight`	`at least wrt to the way it was done with AE-2.0`
`00:57.35`	`Tuller`	`so you're running 2000 addons? :)`
`00:57.39`	`Xinhuan`	`what did slouken say`
`00:57.46`	`NeoTron`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:57.47`	`Tuller`	`"call it ace event 3.0"`
`00:58.03`	`Tuller`	`as in, I have no idea :P`
`00:58.04`	`QuantumDelta`	`I'm running close to 200 now, I kinda killed quite a few ;\`
`00:58.14`	`ckknight`	`Xinhuan: I need to finish what I'm working on`
`00:58.24`	`Cryect`	`Unfortunately we've learned blizzard seems to be often wrong at what they think :(`
`00:58.26`	`NeoTron`	`recount + auctioneer loaded (yeah I know, I didn't reloadui after visiting the AH) + months of raid history in CT_RaidTracker etc. it adds up`
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`00:59.18`	`Cryect`	`But yeah Neotron I do know what you mean about the GC issues :-p whenever Recount clears a fight thats like 20mb's (meaning you didn't actually get in combat for a long ass time) it chugs for a bit :-p`
`00:59.19`	`Poul\|Raider`	`Anyone seen some full raid combatlog uploaded from ptr?`
`00:59.21`	`Xinhuan`	`well, this is a serious question, if using aceevent or any central frame that listens for events doesn't serve any optimization purpose, why do they even exist`
`00:59.53`	`Tuller`	`because I don't wanna create a frame!`
`00:59.56`	`vhaarr`	`Xinhuan: what josh_borke said`
`01:00.44`	`vhaarr`	`1. it's a legacy from pre-CreateFrame, 2. it makes gives you 1 API to trigger and recieve both blizzard and addon events`
`01:00.47`	`Tuller`	`I could have sworn the argument back then was that it was a bit more efficient`
`01:01.18`	`Tuller`	`2 is negated in that we don't want a single api for blizzard events/addon messages`
`01:01.30`	`vhaarr`	`you don't want it`
`01:01.38`	`vhaarr`	`I do`
`01:01.42`	`Tuller`	`SendMessage :P`
`01:01.53`	`Tuller`	`there is no SendEvent :)`
`01:02.00`	`NeoTron`	`hmm`
`01:02.09`	`Xinhuan`	`well ace1/2's mistake there was letting addons trigger blizzard events`
`01:02.19`	`JoshBorke`	`who cares`
`01:02.59`	`Tuller`	`for i = 1, 100 do SEND_EVENT_SOMETHING_CRAZY`
`01:03.04`	`vhaarr`	`noone cares, some just think they do`
`01:03.16`	`Tuller`	`I care :)`
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`01:04.08`	`JoshBorke`	`~lart tuller`
`01:04.08`	`purl`	`chops tuller in half with a free Solaris 7 CD`
`01:05.21`	`Tuller`	`well, if people were sending events, then it opens up the possibility of sending something crazy. sending messages still possible, the only real way to avoid it would be callbacks/namespaced rock events, I would assume`
`01:05.44`	`JoshBorke`	`~lart tuller`
`01:05.44`	`purl`	`does a little 'renice 20 -u tuller'`
`01:06.12`	`Tuller`	`see, I have no idea what that does`
`01:06.22`	`JoshBorke`	`just be quiet`
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`01:08.00`	`Tuller`	`quiet!`
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`01:10.39`	`Shadowed`	`Xinhuan don't argue`
`01:10.42`	`Shadowed`	`libraries make stuff better`
`01:10.42`	`Shadowed`	`period`
`01:10.54`	`Tuller`	`"...but the one thing I miss is the Numerical cooldown count on the bras"`
`01:11.00`	`Yssaril`	`especially if their name has ACE in it :P`
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`01:11.39`	`Cryect`	`more bras need numerical countdowns`
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`01:14.01`	`chiper`	`neotron: I gather that magicmarker can't auto-fill CC options on mobs based on type?`
`01:14.29`	`chiper`	`went in to setup data on mech last night and couldnt remember which mobs were humanoids and which were demons`
`01:14.47`	`NeoTron`	`chiper: correct`
`01:14.57`	`NeoTron`	`I could auto-fill mob information though`
`01:15.00`	`NeoTron`	`i.e mob type and stuff`
`01:15.04`	`chiper`	`would be nice if it could remember type along with name`
`01:15.22`	`NeoTron`	`I can certainly add the ability to learn metadata`
`01:16.32`	`rubik`	`how about whether mob had mana bar vs. rage bar as part of the info too? :P`
`01:16.47`	`rubik`	`(or some way of telling caster vs. melee even though it's not foolproof)`
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`01:17.04`	`chiper`	`seems like it should be simple enough to fill in basic CC data tho. humanoid? sheep, sap, sleep, trap. undead? shackle, trap. elemental? banish, trap`
`01:18.23`	`NeoTron`	`yep`
`01:18.25`	`NeoTron`	`I'll add it`
`01:18.29`	`NeoTron`	`well`
`01:18.33`	`NeoTron`	`I won't add basic CC`
`01:18.43`	`NeoTron`	`because many humanoids can't be sheeped`
`01:18.43`	`NeoTron`	`etc`
`01:19.18`	`NeoTron`	`however I might potentiall hack in support for "learning" what cc-methods work`
`01:19.27`	`NeoTron`	`by looking in the combat log for immune/success messages`
`01:19.29`	`rubik`	`right and it also depends on heroic vs. non-heroic`
`01:19.33`	`NeoTron`	`but I won't do taht before 2.4`
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`01:19.43`	`NeoTron`	`that is true`
`01:20.00`	`rubik`	`i.e. same mob might be cc-able in non-heroic but not in heroic`
`01:20.14`	`Kaelten`	`fish eye turned back on`
`01:20.38`	`dylanm`	`Kaelten: Nice!`
`01:20.45`	`Kaelten`	`sorry about that`
`01:20.46`	`Cryect`	`\o/`
`01:20.49`	`Cryect`	`what was wrong?`
`01:20.53`	`Kaelten`	`when I restarted it earlier I guess it never came back on`
`01:20.54`	`Kaelten`	`weird`
`01:20.55`	`Cryect`	`heh`
`01:21.34`	`JoshBorke`	`cryect: :-( come to kara :-(`
`01:22.35`	`Kalroth`	`Cryect isn't even 70 yet!`
`01:22.56`	`Cryect`	`I'm not?`
`01:24.13`	`Kalroth`	`I was just gambling and the odds were 69:1 on you not being 70!`
`01:26.36`	`rubik`	`WoW-2.3.3-to-2.4.0-enUS-Win-patch\wow-partial-1.MPQ done downloading.. now what? wait another 4-6 weeks, right? :P`
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`01:28.33`	`JoshBorke`	`yes`
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`01:35.53`	`CIA-9`	`03antiarc * r64406 10/branches/LibDropdown-1.0/ (5 files in 2 dirs):`
`01:35.54`	`CIA-9`	`LibDropdown-1.0: Initial commit. Libstubbed Dewdrop replacement. Currently`
`01:35.54`	`CIA-9`	`serves Ace3 options tables (mostly). Can be extended to handle other option`
`01:35.54`	`CIA-9`	`table formats; not finished, need work on the range slider, edge-of-screen`
`01:35.54`	`CIA-9`	`handling, and other stuff. Is also a hackjob. Feel free to improve.`
`01:37.55`	`Antiarc`	`It's also not going to upgrade very gracefully right now :P`
`01:38.49`	`Xinhuan`	`o_O`
`01:39.09`	`Xinhuan`	`better off to rewrite from scratch`
`01:39.15`	`Antiarc`	`It is a rewrite from scratch`
`01:39.17`	`Xinhuan`	`than have 100 upgrading issues later on`
`01:39.31`	`Antiarc`	`I'm just saying I haven't really made it upgrade-friendly`
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`01:41.14`	`CIA-9`	`03antiarc 07LibDropdown-1.0 * r64407 10LibDropdown-1.0/LibDropdown-1.0.lua: LibDropdown-1.0: Some upgrade fixes, buttons should upgrade properly when reacquired, frames need work though.`
`01:41.33`	`Kemayo`	`Antiarc: I'm glad someone has finally done it!`
`01:41.39`	`Antiarc`	`It's only partially done`
`01:41.43`	`Antiarc`	`But it works pretty decently`
`01:41.53`	`Kemayo`	`s/has finally done/is finally doing/`
`01:42.00`	`JoshBorke`	`i'm not`
`01:42.04`	`JoshBorke`	`it's a crappy crapy idea`
`01:42.27`	`JoshBorke`	`:-P`
`01:42.39`	`Antiarc`	`Why do you say that?`
`01:42.46`	`JoshBorke`	`hate @ dropdowns is all :-D`
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`01:42.52`	`Antiarc`	`They have their place! :P`
`01:44.57`	`Cryect`	`that they do but not for selecting textures, fonts, etc`
`01:45.12`	`Cryect`	`very limited case`
`01:45.13`	`Antiarc`	`They can be unwieldy there, yes.`
`01:45.24`	`Xinhuan`	`ok right now, it only handles ace3 opttables?`
`01:45.27`	`Cryect`	`not as much as unwieldly as very unuseful`
`01:45.28`	`Antiarc`	`Correct.`
`01:45.36`	`Xinhuan`	`got any documentation?`
`01:45.41`	`Antiarc`	`Not a line.`
`01:45.51`	`Antiarc`	`LibStub("LibDropdown-1.0"):OpenAce3Menu(self.configOptions)`
`01:45.58`	`Antiarc`	`That's my test case using Omen2's menus`
`01:46.04`	`Xinhuan`	`screw it, go tidy up the latest blizz combat log first ;p`
`01:46.06`	`Antiarc`	`Range sliders and inline groups need work`
`01:46.19`	`Kemayo`	`Any way to attach it to a given frame, or does it just open at the cursor?`
`01:46.30`	`Antiarc`	`Right now it just opens in the center of UIParent :P`
`01:46.32`	`Cryect`	`I recommend you tidy up the log first`
`01:46.35`	`Antiarc`	`I'll be adding options to open it where you want.`
`01:46.49`	`Antiarc`	`To consider: If Omen2 isn't ready at 2.4's launch, I get lynched. If the combat log isn't cleaned up, Blizzard gets lynched.`
`01:46.53`	`Cryect`	`heh be nice to get that fully optimized before they 2.4 launch`
`01:46.57`	`Cryect`	`:-p`
`01:47.10`	`Cryect`	`Uh most people will have no idea how crappy it is`
`01:47.13`	`Xinhuan`	`both gets done, simple ;)`
`01:47.22`	`Antiarc`	`LibDropdown very very unfiinshed right now`
`01:47.41`	`Antiarc`	`But I committed it so that I don't lose all my work in a horrible accident, and so that other people can look through the code and laugh at me (and perhaps take pity and help me)`
`01:50.16`	`Xinhuan`	`got a brief description of what isn't complete yet?`
`01:50.30`	`Antiarc`	`Range sliders, cases where a menu runs past the screen's edge`
`01:51.00`	`Antiarc`	`Opening where you want it to`
`01:51.10`	`JoshBorke`	`SCREW RANGE SLIDERS`
`01:51.18`	`Antiarc`	`THEY'RE HELPFUL`
`01:51.26`	`JoshBorke`	`NO THEY ARE NOT`
`01:51.29`	`Xinhuan`	`so all menus open in the middle of the screen now?`
`01:51.30`	`Xinhuan`	`or what`
`01:51.32`	`Antiarc`	`Yes :P`
`01:52.23`	`Antiarc`	`Oh, and I need to figure out a way to do text inputs. I can do it better than Dewdrop, I think. I haven't decided if I want to use a popup or an inline editbox that expands out when focused yet.`
`01:52.36`	`Antiarc`	`~lart JoshBorke`
`01:52.36`	`purl`	`decapitates JoshBorke conan the destroyer style`
`01:52.40`	`Antiarc`	`(preemtively)`
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`01:53.03`	`Antiarc`	`Dewdrop's implementation was clunky! I give you that!`
`01:53.08`	`Kemayo`	`~emulate JoshBorke`
`01:53.09`	`purl`	`extra, extra, read all about it, emulate joshborke is "<reply>Someone peed in my cheerios!"`
`01:53.09`	`Antiarc`	`But I think it can be done properly, and really needs to be.`
`01:53.15`	`Kemayo`	`Damn you, purl!`
`01:53.24`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`01:53.38`	`JoshBorke`	`antiarc: i disagree on the last part`
`01:53.41`	`JoshBorke`	`it doesn't really need to be`
`01:53.46`	`Kemayo`	`~emulate JoshBorke`
`01:53.47`	`purl`	`Someone peed in my cheerios!`
`01:53.54`	`Antiarc`	`A dropdown is just a representation of an options tree`
`01:54.07`	`Antiarc`	`It's pretty ugly to make someone pop up a huge config window to set a text option`
`01:54.27`	`JoshBorke`	`it is?`
`01:55.17`	`CIA-9`	`03kemayo * r64408 10SilverDragon/Core.lua: SilverDragon: Only add to the time-seen-in-location counter once per announce interval.`
`01:55.22`	`Antiarc`	`It consistently annoys the everliving bejeebers out of me.`
`01:55.47`	`JoshBorke`	`i just don't see how a configuration could need to be changed that much`
`01:55.48`	`Cryect`	`The only time I like dropdowns is for disabling/enabling something on a frame`
`01:56.04`	`Cryect`	`But you sure shouldn't be configuring the entire options of an addon in a huge ass dropdown`
`01:56.31`	`Cryect`	`you have more than 10 items in the dropdown or for some reason it has more than 1 layers it should be an actual GUI`
`01:56.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`Antiarc: is that going to be AceConfigDropdown-3.0?`
`01:56.53`	`Antiarc`	`Arrowmaster: It could be used for it, sure.`
`01:57.04`	`Antiarc`	`I kept it separate because I don't want to have to embed AceGUI to get dropdowns`
`01:58.37`	`CIA-9`	`03cryect 072.4 * r64409 10Recount2/Recount2.lua:`
`01:58.37`	`CIA-9`	`Recount2:`
`01:58.37`	`CIA-9`	`-Removes usage of AceEvent-3.0 and AceTimer-3.0`
`01:59.05`	`CIA-9`	`03antiarc 07LibDropdown-1.0 * r64410 10LibDropdown-1.0/LibDropdown-1.0.lua: LibDropdown-1.0: Fix range sliders. Sorry, JoshBorke.`
`02:00.06`	`Cryect`	`I think you are crazy Antiarc for wanting things like sliders and editboxes in a dropdown form :-p`
`02:00.19`	`Antiarc`	`Editboxes I don't really need so much`
`02:00.28`	`Antiarc`	`But, I don't want to just have a chunk missing from the spec either`
`02:00.33`	`Antiarc`	`Sliders, though, are super handy.`
`02:00.54`	`Cryect`	`yeah if you are doing it to the Ace3 Options spec its kinda needed`
`02:01.05`	`JoshBorke`	`(9:55:40 PM) Antiarc: It consistently annoys the everliving bejeebers out of me.`
`02:01.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`just dont have tooltips like dewdrop does, when i use tinytip with smart frame anchor the tooltips usually cover the sliders since dewdrop doesnt possition them anywhere`
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`02:18.35`	`Cryect`	`hmm does it bother anyone when staring at PerfFu with profiling on and sorted by CPU usage that TabletLib is #1 with like 3 times more usage than the next addon (which is PerfFu in my case)`
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`02:19.01`	`Cryect`	`or sometimes even up to 4-5 times as much`
`02:19.18`	`Xinhuan`	`use OptionHouse instead Cryect`
`02:19.22`	`Xinhuan`	`its standalone, not libs`
`02:19.24`	`Xinhuan`	`no*`
`02:19.34`	`Xinhuan`	`makes for more accurate readings`
`02:19.49`	`Cryect`	`Where is it available?`
`02:19.57`	`Xinhuan`	`wowi`
`02:20.00`	`Cryect`	`thank you`
`02:20.30`	`Lemming2K`	`if i have a button like this ( http://ace.pastey.net/83743 ). is it possible to run a macro on right click with this button?`
`02:20.47`	`Cryect`	`Just been checking CPU usage after removing aceevent3 and acetimer3 resulting in almost no increase usage of Recount2 but reduction from a few % for Ace3 to almost 0%`
`02:21.52`	`Cryect`	`Oh this addon that shadowed was talking about working on a while ago`
`02:21.57`	`Xinhuan`	`i probably have written more addons that are frameworkless, than addons with frameworks`
`02:22.00`	`Cryect`	`or something`
`02:22.13`	`Cryect`	`or actually this is dated too old to be that addon :-p`
`02:22.37`	`Xinhuan`	`the one on wowi is fine, but you should bug shadowed about his svn address if you want the latest`
`02:22.47`	`Obelixprime`	`ok, i've recently switched my UI to an old version I had, I replaced my Cache, WTF and Interface folders with an old one i had`
`02:22.55`	`Obelixprime`	`now, every 10-20 minutes my wow crashes`
`02:23.24`	`Cryect`	`Anything better than Expo out there yet btw?`
`02:24.42`	`Shadowed`	`?`
`02:24.56`	`Shadowed`	`what about what`
`02:25.12`	`Xinhuan`	`nothing, just advertising your addon`
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`02:33.38`	`Xinhuan`	`Recount doesn't really need event handling right?`
`02:33.43`	`Xinhuan`	`apart from the combat log one`
`02:34.03`	`Xinhuan`	`and a few special one-off events like ADDON_LOADED`
`02:35.04`	`Cryect`	`Right`
`02:35.04`	`Xinhuan`	`oh syncing hm`
`02:35.23`	`Cryect`	`Recount 2 might not having syncing`
`02:35.28`	`Xinhuan`	`and possibly regen enabled on/off i guess`
`02:35.33`	`Xinhuan`	`to track in combat duration`
`02:35.36`	`Camci`	`fraps works for mac?`
`02:35.36`	`Cryect`	`yeah`
`02:35.42`	`Cryect`	`so basically almost no events`
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`02:35.52`	`Cryect`	`then again what addon actually uses a lot of events`
`02:36.09`	`Xinhuan`	`simplecombatlog ;p`
`02:36.17`	`Xinhuan`	`well parserlib rather`
`02:36.18`	`Cryect`	`but thats just combatlog events :-p`
`02:36.31`	`Xinhuan`	`well combatlog events atm are like 20 different events ;p`
`02:36.46`	`Cryect`	`yeah except 20 doesn't seem like a lot of events to me :-p`
`02:37.05`	`Xinhuan`	`oh unitframe addons will use a lot of events`
`02:37.08`	`Xinhuan`	`all sorts of things`
`02:37.11`	`Cryect`	`yeah`
`02:37.17`	`Xinhuan`	`to update health, mana, debuffs, buffs and a few million things`
`02:37.35`	`Cryect`	`anyways can't see a good reason for aceevent 3.0 except for someone who has no idea how to create a frame etc`
`02:38.06`	`Xinhuan`	`sylvanaar pointed out that the wow clients needs to set the global args for arg1--argX and "this" and a few other globals`
`02:38.06`	`Yssaril`	`Cryect: cause its the easy way out :P`
`02:38.14`	`Xinhuan`	`everytime a frame event happens`
`02:38.26`	`Xinhuan`	`and this might be costly`
`02:38.41`	Funkeh`	`AE3 is so basic what does it matter? :)`
`02:38.43`	`Cryect`	`less costly than the overhead seems of aceevent 3`
`02:38.55`	`JoshBorke`	`WHO CARES?!`
`02:38.58`	`Yssaril`	`Xinhuan: so aceevent might be cheaper to use overall? (if you have lots of addons that use AE?)`
`02:39.01`	`JoshBorke`	`if you don't want to use it, DON'T`
`02:39.07`	`JoshBorke`	`it's been written, the work has already been done`
`02:39.11`	`Cryect`	`hehe`
`02:39.11`	`JoshBorke`	`it doesn't matter`
`02:39.34`	`Xinhuan`	`from a author point of view it does, because authors should know which option works best for their addon`
`02:39.39`	`Cryect`	`yep`
`02:39.44`	`JoshBorke`	`any programmer with half a mind will know that doing ityourself is better`
`02:39.51`	`Cryect`	`why would they?`
`02:40.03`	`JoshBorke`	`hm, let's see, on the one hand i have a customized solution that is tailored for my addon`
`02:40.15`	`JoshBorke`	`on teh other hand i have a generalized solution that is made for many addons`
`02:40.19`	`Cryect`	`what real assumption is there for ae3 to have high overhead`
`02:40.23`	`JoshBorke`	`which performs better?`
`02:40.42`	`Cryect`	`it not very generalized`
`02:40.53`	`JoshBorke`	`it's hard to generalize events`
`02:41.14`	`Cryect`	`I know so there is no reason to expect there to be such a performance difference is the point`
`02:41.27`	`Cryect`	`since its not obvious that xpcall is expensive`
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`02:43.39`	Funkeh`	`You're not using ae over an assumption? right... testing was done ages ago, there was even a debate about it on the forum, go search. I it weren't a gain ae would not have been made.`
`02:43.54`	Funkeh`	`you should really do your own testing`
`02:44.07`	`Xinhuan`	`i question the assumption for ae3, not ae2`
`02:44.17`	`Xinhuan`	`ae2 uses a straight pcall, ae3 doesn't`
`02:46.06`	`Xinhuan`	`in comparison, ae3's overhead is 3 function calls and a table lookup more for every callback`
`02:46.26`	`Xinhuan`	`so its not clear if there is a benefit anymore`
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`03:00.49`	`CIA-9`	`037destiny 07RC1 * r64411 10Ace3/AceDBOptions-3.0/AceDBOptions-3.0.lua: Ace3 - AceDBOptions-3.0: change wording in koKR`
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`03:07.43`	`CIA-9`	`HandyNote_Directions:`
`03:07.43`	`CIA-9`	`-Fix a typo in the tooltip handler.`
`03:07.43`	`CIA-9`	`-Scan GetGossipOptions to remember what you asked for. ('Ansekhwa' doesn't automatically mean 'weapon trainer' to me...)`
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`03:11.00`	`Kemayo`	`Maybe I should make it only remember what you asked for. Right now it's remembering the landmark name and what you asked for -- they're often, but not always, redundant.`
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`04:03.27`	`CIA-9`	`037destiny * r64413 10LittleWigs/MagistersTerrace/ (Kael'thasSunstrider.lua SelinFireheart.lua Vexallus.lua):`
`04:03.27`	`CIA-9`	`LittleWigs: MagistersTerrace:`
`04:03.27`	`CIA-9`	`- koKR Update`
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`04:07.54`	`Zhinjio`	`buh`
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`04:12.19`	`JakeM`	`Woot, patch time.`
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`04:18.44`	`Yssaril`	`is the garbagecollector active during combat?`
`04:22.31`	Funkeh`	`only the 120% one`
`04:22.39`	Funkeh`	`incremental is ooc`
`04:23.25`	Funkeh`	`unless they removed he 120% one whe incremental was added`
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`04:40.19`	`Kemayo`	`Xinhuan: Records where city guards direct you to.`
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`04:41.00`	`Xinhuan`	`my main concern over handynotes atm, is the use of astrolabe, it uses more cpu time than all 200 of my other addons combined when idling`
`04:41.01`	`Xinhuan`	`;p`
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`04:42.43`	`Kemayo`	`Woo 50.6 solid kB of map handling?`
`04:43.46`	`Xinhuan`	`err cpu time`
`04:43.49`	`Xinhuan`	`not memory`
`04:44.00`	`Kemayo`	`No, no. That's just the code size.`
`04:44.33`	`Yssaril`	`Xinhuan: write your own version of astrolab :P`
`04:44.39`	`Xinhuan`	`grum's doing it`
`04:44.43`	`Xinhuan`	`he's lazy and its half done`
`04:44.47`	`Yssaril`	`hehe`
`04:45.18`	`Yssaril`	`fyi i got my buff/debuff frames fully implemented :) thanks for all the help so far :)`
`04:48.49`	`Yssaril`	`for mobs does Unit_Health get triggered when they take dmg or when their health decreases by 1%`
`04:51.26`	`doc^bla`	`mh, 260mb of 2.4 now avaiable^^`
`04:52.23`	`Yssaril`	`its been available for a while :) since noon i think`
`04:52.36`	`doc^bla`	`not on eu`
`04:52.55`	`Yssaril`	`wouldn't know about that :P`
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`04:56.25`	`doc^bla`	`my dps addon is almost finished^^`
`04:59.09`	Funkeh`	`wtf`
`04:59.19`	Funkeh`	`no torrent for this background download?`
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`05:00.12`	`doc^bla`	`that is a torrent`
`05:00.12`	`Xinhuan`	why Funkeh`?
`05:00.23`	`Xinhuan`	`the .torrent file is in your cache folder in your wow folder`
`05:00.37`	Funkeh`	`it's not in mine`
`05:00.38`	`Xinhuan`	`just dbl click and use it in your favourite BT client`
`05:00.50`	`Xinhuan`	`dunno, it exists in mine`
`05:00.55`	Funkeh`	`orly..`
`05:01.02`	`doc^bla`	`in /cache is the torrent`
`05:01.02`	`Xinhuan`	`and i completed my 251 mb download within 28 minutes`
`05:01.43`	`Xinhuan`	`you may need to use the launcher to start wow`
`05:01.47`	`Xinhuan`	`to get the torrent file in there`
`05:02.19`	Funkeh`	`ah`
`05:02.23`	Funkeh`	`lets see`
`05:03.14`	Funkeh`	`-_-`
`05:03.43`	`Xinhuan`	Xinhuan 1, Funkeh` 0
`05:03.45`	Funkeh`	`fucking vista`
`05:03.55`	Funkeh`	`no it didn't work`
`05:04.02`	`kenlyric`	`right click, run as admin`
`05:04.04`	`Xinhuan`	Vista 1, Funkeh` 0
`05:04.05`	Funkeh`	`just downloaded it elsewhere`
`05:04.11`	`kenlyric`	`just like the last 3 patches`
`05:04.34`	Funkeh`	`I don't need to run it as admin I do't have it in program files`
`05:05.31`	Funkeh`	`probablt because I have it on D, it downloads to C:\Users\Public\Documents\Blizzard Entertainment\World of Warcraft\Cache`
`05:06.04`	`Xinhuan`	`i was still technically correct, it downloaded to the cache folder of wow :D`
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`05:46.32`	`Zhinjio`	`someone asked me to put up a donation link so they could give me something back for time on this plugin`
`05:46.36`	`Zhinjio`	`there's a first.`
`05:46.56`	`Kemayo`	`It's nice when that happens.`
`05:47.05`	`Zhinjio`	`yeah, no kidding.`
`05:47.19`	`Zhinjio`	`I had to dig out my old paypal info and figure out the donate buttons thinger.`
`05:47.20`	`Zhinjio`	`heh`
`05:47.34`	`Zhinjio`	`nice, but rare.`
`05:47.44`	`Zhinjio`	`and its the first motivation I've had in awhile to put some effort into it again.`
`05:47.49`	`Zhinjio`	`gotta ride it while I can.`
`05:47.50`	`Zhinjio`	`heh`
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`06:46.39`	`rgie`	`can i ask about game char in here? or im on wrong chan`
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`07:08.24`	`CIA-9`	`HandyNotes_Directions: Make the note just what you asked the guard for, not`
`07:08.24`	`CIA-9`	`the landmark name. Light fiddling to handle class/profession trainers. Further`
`07:08.25`	`CIA-9`	`checks to avoid accidentally adding vendor text, say, to the map.`
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`07:47.14`	`Grum`	`[05:44:55]+<Xinhuan> he's lazy and its half done <-- i has little time! even woke up earlier to be able to code a bit on it today besides work+raiding ><`
`07:47.29`	`Grum`	`and i past the half-mark :P`
`07:48.04`	`CIA-9`	`03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r64416 10Ace3/AceGUI-3.0/widgets/AceGUIWidget-DropDown.lua:`
`07:48.04`	`CIA-9`	`Ace3 - AceGUI-3.0`
`07:48.04`	`CIA-9`	`- Dropdown Widget: re-style dropdown pullout to blizzard style (original patch by Shadowed, plus small adjustments)`
`07:48.49`	`Shadowed`	`yay less ugly dropdowns`
`07:49.21`	`Nargiddley`	`The pullouts need to be rewritten anyway`
`07:50.13`	`nevcairiel`	`at least they look better for the time being`
`07:50.20`	`Nargiddley`	`yeah`
`07:50.36`	`Nargiddley`	`and the look can be carried over easy enough`
`07:51.25`	`Shadowed`	`it doesn't remind me of Dewdrop anymore`
`07:51.31`	`Shadowed`	`or whatever the ugly Ace2 GUI was`
`07:51.34`	`CIA-9`	`03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r64417 10Ace3/AceGUI-3.0/widgets/AceGUIWidget-Button.lua:`
`07:51.34`	`CIA-9`	`Ace3 - AceGUI-3.0`
`07:51.34`	`CIA-9`	`- tweak label positioning on the Button widget`
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`07:51.46`	`[SW]Dodge`	`hi all`
`07:51.54`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Antiarc ?`
`07:52.04`	`Antiarc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:52.19`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah the waterfall remnants are gone now =P`
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`07:52.35`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Antiarc: got my pm yesterday?`
`07:52.55`	`Grum`	`so, when is oRA2 going to fix the cooldowntime of Rebirth?`
`07:53.03`	`Orionshock`	`Grum: it has been`
`07:53.03`	`nevcairiel`	`Grum: its fine`
`07:53.05`	`Grum`	`it still registers with a cooldown of 30 minutes ... instead of 20 :P`
`07:53.12`	`Orionshock`	`Grum: try updating`
`07:53.13`	`nevcairiel`	`Grum: your druids need to update`
`07:53.18`	`Grum`	`SLACKERDRUIDS!`
`07:53.23`	`Grum`	`i'll make em :D`
`07:53.39`	`[SW]Dodge`	`about the translation error in omen?`
`07:53.41`	`nevcairiel`	`the cooldown time is being sent by the player causing the cooldown, so if you see a wrong cooldown, its the druid :p`
`07:54.15`	`Grum`	`amagawd! just popped over 30k gold .. kek!`
`07:54.33`	`nevcairiel`	`and you'll never spend it :P`
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`07:56.00`	`Grum`	`i know :D`
`07:56.48`	`Antiarc`	`Yeah, I got it, thanks`
`07:57.02`	`Grum`	`when we had 5k it was like 'lets safe up for WOTLK' .. then we got 25k .. and it was .. oooh .. nice! ... now over 55k ... and it gets rather pointless :D`
`07:57.34`	`[SW]Dodge`	`ok, but i got another one like that for another of the kael adds, dont know anymore which one it was`
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`08:02.27`	`Zeksie`	`morning.`
`08:04.03`	`thul`	`making a joke about him paying $4300 pr night for her..`
`08:04.31`	`thul`	`baaah`
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`08:04.37`	`thul`	`wrong window, but i can make the joke here too`
`08:08.00`	`xlvii`	`thul, i want to hear it.`
`08:08.16`	`xlvii`	`grum, can i please have some gold?`
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`08:08.44`	`Grum`	`sure`
`08:09.07`	`thul`	`would you pay �4300 for this: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art4/0312084kristen1.jpg http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art4/0312084kristen4.jpg`
`08:09.23`	`omega`	`for the watch?`
`08:09.30`	`omega`	`or the sunglasses?`
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`08:09.44`	`thul`	`the girl :/`
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`08:10.13`	`Lemming2K`	`no but the boat would be awesome :D`
`08:10.22`	`magma`	`anyone know of a mod that will track how much armor penetration I have?`
`08:10.46`	`Grum`	`your paperdoll!`
`08:10.49`	`magma`	`=/`
`08:10.53`	`magma`	`I can't add`
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`08:12.42`	`Grum`	`your question is rather unclear, what do you mean with tracking?`
`08:12.53`	`Grum`	`you want to have the curve of which armor is how much mitigation?`
`08:13.01`	`Grum`	`or err kek`
`08:13.10`	`Grum`	`you want penetration - what about addons like wowequip?`
`08:13.16`	`Grum`	`they should list it`
`08:14.14`	`Lemming2K`	`in 2.4 you can mouseover your hitrating to see it`
`08:14.27`	`Lemming2K`	`in your character screen`
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`08:15.42`	`Zeksie`	`yeah. was about to say. it's included on hit tooltip`
`08:17.10`	`Lemming2K`	`from the 2.4 notes:`
`08:17.11`	`Lemming2K`	`- Spell haste and Armor Penetration will now display on the character`
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`08:20.37`	`CIA-9`	`03kemayo 07Ace3 * r64418 10BetterQuest/modules/autotrack.lua: BetterQuestTracker: Autotracking will no longer track quests while you are deader than a dead thing that is also dead.`
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`08:27.42`	`Orionshock`	`Zeksie: found another error in zomgbuffs`
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`08:27.54`	`Orionshock`	`it's in the forum thread`
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`08:34.16`	`Zeksie`	`ok`
`08:34.43`	`Zeksie`	`oh. that one yeah. saw it. looking at it now`
`08:34.55`	`Zeksie`	`only just added drag/drop to the non config mode, and i broke it ;)`
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`08:38.17`	`Zeksie`	`can't get it to give an error tho. although it's not quite behaving as it should`
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`08:52.27`	`Zeksie`	`emmm. what could cause certain frames to block an OnDragStop from firing..`
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`08:58.04`	`Suns`	`Hi`
`09:00.01`	`Zeksie`	`hi`
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`09:04.47`	`Zhinjio`	`anyone awake?`
`09:04.52`	`sun\sehmet`	`yeh`
`09:05.05`	`Zhinjio`	`scrolling list question...`
`09:05.06`	`sun\sehmet`	`looking for rabbit or some nrt user btw :)`
`09:05.13`	`Zhinjio`	`when you have the scrollinglist.selected index.`
`09:05.16`	`sun\sehmet`	`no idea`
`09:05.27`	`CIA-9`	`03neotron * r64420 10MagicMarker/ (MagicMarker.lua MarkTemplates.lua):`
`09:05.27`	`CIA-9`	`MagicMarker:`
`09:05.27`	`CIA-9`	`- Fixed "mark raid's targets" and the "load/save raid template" functionality. Oops.`
`09:05.27`	`CIA-9`	`- Added network syncing for marking and releasing target. Note that it doesn't try to do any kind of conflict resolution so if two people mark at the same time you can get a race condition.`
`09:05.28`	`Suns`	`nrt is Nihilum Raidtracker?`
`09:05.32`	`Zhinjio`	`is that the position in the list, or the position in what is currently visible?`
`09:05.43`	`sun\sehmet`	`yeh it is suns`
`09:06.18`	`sun\sehmet`	`its like a light CTRA`
`09:06.21`	`sun\sehmet`	`thats why i like it`
`09:06.31`	`sun\sehmet`	`but there are issues, like the CTRA xml output is bugged`
`09:06.32`	`Suns`	`yep, I use it sometimes`
`09:06.45`	`sun\sehmet`	`only list the last item looted not the whole run :P`
`09:06.49`	`Suns`	`do you import to EQDKP?`
`09:06.52`	`sun\sehmet`	`yeh`
`09:07.08`	`sun\sehmet`	`when i do ctra xml output and look at it i only see the last item looted`
`09:07.19`	`Suns`	`o.O`
`09:07.20`	`vhaarr`	`sun\sehmet: I didn't write the CTRT exporter, so I can't speak for it`
`09:07.21`	`sun\sehmet`	`the rest of the loot is missing from the output :P`
`09:07.32`	`vhaarr`	`sun\sehmet: feel free to contribute a new one`
`09:07.39`	`sun\sehmet`	`well im no programmer`
`09:07.43`	`vhaarr`	`me neither`
`09:07.49`	`sun\sehmet`	`and its like there is already a CTRA export formatter`
`09:08.05`	`Suns`	`I can have a look at it lateron`
`09:08.09`	`sun\sehmet`	`but its not a format prob`
`09:08.13`	`sun\sehmet`	`its an addon problem`
`09:08.14`	`Suns`	`right now I have to fake work`
`09:08.20`	`sun\sehmet`	`since only the last item is listed :P`
`09:08.22`	`sun\sehmet`	`hehe`
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`09:08.36`	`sun\sehmet`	`i posted a sshot on forum`
`09:08.46`	`sun\sehmet`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=11122.100`
`09:08.52`	`Zhinjio`	`ELLIPSIS!`
`09:08.53`	`Zhinjio`	`save me!`
`09:08.56`	`sun\sehmet`	`http://sunofwisdom.net/nrtbug.jpg`
`09:09.00`	`sun\sehmet`	`pretty self explanatory`
`09:09.14`	`sun\sehmet`	`just look at the loot window and the ctra output it generates`
`09:09.18`	`sun\sehmet`	`only last loot :P`
`09:09.34`	`Suns`	`oh, you are Horde`
`09:09.42`	`Suns`	`sry, I can't help in this case`
`09:09.43`	`CIA-9`	`037destiny * r64421 10LittleWigs/MagistersTerrace/Vexallus.lua: LittleWigs: - koKR Update`
`09:09.45`	`sun\sehmet`	`hahaha`
`09:09.48`	`Suns`	`;)`
`09:11.05`	`sun\sehmet`	`maybe it has something to do with boss name ?`
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`09:11.13`	`sun\sehmet`	`last loot is listed under hyjal summit`
`09:11.22`	`sun\sehmet`	`while all the other loot get the appropriate boss name`
`09:11.25`	`sun\sehmet`	`wonder why :P`
`09:11.54`	`Zhinjio`	`Ellipsis, I have a question if you're awake`
`09:12.18`	`Suns`	`lets have a chat lateron sun`
`09:12.22`	`sun\sehmet`	`sure`
`09:12.23`	`CIA-9`	`03ammo * r64422 10SmoothDurability/ (6 files in 3 dirs): SmoothDurability: localization support`
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`09:34.50`	`sun\sehmet`	`if i replace the boss name with Hyjal Summit in savedvariables nrt.lua it works :P`
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`09:38.55`	`sun\sehmet`	`aaah im starting to see where the culprit is :)`
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`09:50.18`	`Zhinjio`	`GRUM!`
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`09:50.56`	`Zhinjio`	`question about tables without numeric indexes`
`09:51.23`	`Zhinjio`	`table.sort, first of all, doesn't seem to work at all. I'm assuming it only works with numeric (and possibly even sequential) keys, is that right?`
`09:51.23`	`Grum`	`you cant get a count, you can use next() to see if there is anything in them`
`09:51.54`	`Grum`	`the keys are in a random order`
`09:51.59`	`CIA-9`	`03shag * r64423 10BigWigs/ZulAman/Halazzi.lua:`
`09:51.59`	`CIA-9`	`BigWigs`
`09:51.59`	`CIA-9`	`- Fixed bug in warning for Halazzi's Corrupted Lightning Totem`
`09:52.05`	`Zhinjio`	`ok.... so that leads to my next question`
`09:52.09`	`Grum`	`so if you want to sort a key=>value table you have to sort the keys 'by the values'`
`09:52.16`	`Zhinjio`	`the keys are going to be in a different order, theoretically, with every reload.`
`09:52.20`	`Grum`	`yes`
`09:52.27`	`Grum`	`so, make another table containing the keys`
`09:52.38`	`Zhinjio`	`ok... so I have a scrolling list, and all I know is which entry in the list is "selected"`
`09:52.43`	`Grum`	`and sort em by using a custom function in table.sort`
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`09:52.49`	`Zhinjio`	`which is my index of which entry in the list is the one I want to operate on`
`09:53.20`	`Zhinjio`	`is it true that the order produced by "pairs" will always be consistent until the list changes (or a reload occurs, obv)`
`09:54.05`	`Zhinjio`	`it seems to be true... but I don't want to rely on it unless it is`
`09:54.08`	`krka`	`the order is intact until you add another key`
`09:54.11`	`Zhinjio`	`ok`
`09:54.15`	`Zhinjio`	`awesome.`
`09:54.31`	`Grum`	`errrrr`
`09:54.36`	`Grum`	`dont count on it`
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`09:54.49`	`Grum`	`it might be now but it might also be that another lua version changes it`
`09:55.00`	`krka`	`right`
`09:55.03`	`Zhinjio`	`<-- real tears.`
`09:55.05`	`Zhinjio`	`heh`
`09:55.08`	`Zhinjio`	`hrmph.`
`09:55.11`	`Grum`	`what are you planning to do?`
`09:55.31`	`Zhinjio`	`I have a scrolling list of player name... the table entries are something like...`
`09:55.32`	`Grum`	`because if you want to know which entry is selected, just store it in a variable? :)`
`09:56.09`	`Zhinjio`	`SKG.db.profiles.Players["playerhashvalue"] = { ["name"] = "Zhinjio", ["class"] = "PALADIN" }`
`09:56.22`	`Zhinjio`	`the playerhashvalue is a 32 character string`
`09:56.29`	`Zhinjio`	`guaranteed unique for a character`
`09:56.46`	`Zhinjio`	`BUT: hex... no numeric, and certainly not sequential`
`09:56.57`	`Zhinjio`	`not numeric, rather`
`09:57.02`	`Grum`	`k`
`09:57.12`	`Zhinjio`	`anyway.... the scrolling list displays the character names that are in this player's list`
`09:57.20`	`Zhinjio`	`and I want to be able to delete whatever entry is selected.`
`09:57.30`	`Zhinjio`	`I can get the index of the scrolling list frame pretty easily`
`09:57.49`	`Zhinjio`	`which is my index into the list, numeric... and sequential`
`09:58.23`	`Grum`	`so you get an index but you dont know which playerhash goes with it?`
`09:58.25`	`Zhinjio`	`if "pairs" could theoretically return a different value each time, I'm screwed. I don't have any way to know which entry in the list is which`
`09:58.30`	`Zhinjio`	`correct!`
`09:58.38`	`Grum`	`ok, how do you retrieve the id?`
`09:58.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`if a table isnt numerically indexed then its order is undefined`
`09:58.42`	`Zhinjio`	`because I'd have to iterate the player list to do so`
`09:58.47`	`Grum`	`and why not store the playerhash alongside the id?`
`09:58.51`	`krka`	`// TODO Auto-generated catch block`
`09:58.51`	`krka`	`e.printStackTrace();`
`09:58.54`	`krka`	`oops, wrong paste`
`09:59.01`	`krka`	`The behavior of next is undefined if, during the traversal, you assign any value to a non-existent field in the table. You may however modify existing fields. In particular, you may clear existing fields.`
`09:59.28`	`krka`	`i think you can rely on it as long as you just assign values to existing keys`
`09:59.32`	`Zhinjio`	`well, the one thing I can guarantee is that the Player list will NOT have changed since I "drew" the scrolling list frame`
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`10:00.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`Zhinjio: youll have to use another table if you want to have the list sorted`
`10:00.07`	`Grum`	`Zhinjio: cant you store more than an 'id' in the listframe?`
`10:00.08`	`Zhinjio`	`every time I do any operation on it (insertion, deletion, or scrolling), it forces a redraw`
`10:00.13`	`Grum`	`you are prolly clicking on some frame and that returns the ID?`
`10:00.30`	`Zhinjio`	`hmm, say, perhaps... a value that isn't visible, but it stored anyway. Hmm.`
`10:00.32`	`Grum`	`why not when drawing store the 'playerhash' in that frame as well?`
`10:00.46`	`Grum`	`when you click, you prolly get the frame returned`
`10:00.47`	`Zhinjio`	`yeah... thats a good idea.`
`10:00.57`	`Zhinjio`	`yup yup.`
`10:00.57`	`Zhinjio`	`hmm.`
`10:01.04`	`Grum`	`(i have no idea what kind of code you use to make a frame - nor have any experiences with this myself in wow)`
`10:01.14`	`Zhinjio`	`for all other roll lists, it isn't an issue, because the index is numeric.`
`10:01.15`	`Grum`	`but youshould be able to store some meta info in the frame, or at least be able to get more than 'the id'`
`10:01.18`	`Zhinjio`	`in this ONE case, it isn't.`
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`10:01.36`	`Grum`	`another question`
`10:01.39`	`Grum`	`why do you make a hash?`
`10:01.50`	`Grum`	`and how do you make it? is it guaranteed the same for the same player?`
`10:01.55`	`Grum`	`if not - why not use a numerical index`
`10:01.58`	`Zhinjio`	`heh, no simple answer... but in short:`
`10:02.15`	`Zhinjio`	`I needed a way to store an "ID" for a PERSON (not a toon) that he can associate both a main toon, and any number of alts with.`
`10:02.56`	`Grum`	`ok, how do you generate that id?`
`10:03.05`	`Zhinjio`	`I made a hashing function myself`
`10:03.15`	`Zhinjio`	`did you want specifics?`
`10:03.25`	`Grum`	`because unless the generation procress guarantees that if you put in the same character you get the same value - you dont need 'hashes' but normal numbers are good enough`
`10:04.01`	`Suns`	`Whoever had this NRT problem.. are you still here?`
`10:04.06`	`Zhinjio`	`will a non-sequential, numeric key sort properly?`
`10:04.16`	`Grum`	`yes, should be`
`10:04.23`	`Zhinjio`	`hmm.`
`10:04.53`	`Zhinjio`	`thats not unreasonable. it would make my id longer. but... I like your other idea better of storing the hash inside the button as well`
`10:04.54`	`Grum`	`lua> t = {5 = "a", 1="b"}; table.sort(t); print( t[1] )`
`10:04.55`	`lua_bot`	`Grum: luabot:1: '}' expected near '='`
`10:04.57`	`Zhinjio`	`easy to retrieve.`
`10:04.59`	`Grum`	`errr`
`10:05.17`	`Grum`	`i fail, i cant code perl and lua at the same time`
`10:05.23`	`Grum`	`my head doesnt cope:)`
`10:05.23`	`Zhinjio`	`heheheee`
`10:05.46`	`Grum`	`anyhow, i think that is the best way indeed,`
`10:05.48`	`Zhinjio`	`actually, you need to "pairs" that`
`10:05.58`	`Grum`	`you can just do: frame.magichashvalue = value`
`10:05.59`	`Zhinjio`	`er, wait.`
`10:06.06`	`Grum`	`remember that any object is just a table :)`
`10:06.10`	`Zhinjio`	`yeah...`
`10:06.23`	`Grum`	`just make sure you dont overwrite any of the 'given' values .. like frame.SetPoint =D`
`10:06.40`	`Zhinjio`	`it'll be a button, and no, I won't grin`
`10:06.50`	`Grum`	`so it might be wises to prefix the variable with at least one _ :)`
`10:06.56`	`Grum`	`as non of the buildin data uses that`
`10:07.18`	`Zhinjio`	`I think I can manage that, yeah.`
`10:07.28`	`Zhinjio`	`ok, lemme go about making that change and see what I end up with.`
`10:07.37`	`Zhinjio`	`and ... Thank you.`
`10:07.40`	`Grum`	`yw`
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`10:09.38`	`Zhinjio`	`further: aside from DE, FR, ES and miscellaneous asian languages, are there are others that are particularly important to provide?`
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`10:12.30`	`CIA-9`	`03alar * r64424 10AlarLib/AlarLib-2.0/AlarLib-2.0.lua:`
`10:12.30`	`CIA-9`	`AlarLib`
`10:12.30`	`CIA-9`	`Improved /amo track`
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`10:27.34`	`sun\sehmet`	`lootedfrom=(UnitName(targetId)`
`10:27.41`	`sun\sehmet`	`lootedfrom=(UnitName(targetId),GetRealZoneText()`
`10:27.45`	`sun\sehmet`	`aaah shit`
`10:28.04`	`sun\sehmet`	`lootedfrom=(UnitName(targetId),GetRealZoneText())`
`10:28.28`	`sun\sehmet`	`if i do that do i get lootedrom="archimonde,hyjal summit" for example ?`
`10:28.36`	`nevcairiel`	`no`
`10:28.48`	`krka`	`why the extra ()?`
`10:28.54`	`sun\sehmet`	`coz im a noob`
`10:29.03`	`sun\sehmet`	`what would be the correct syntax`
`10:29.04`	`nevcairiel`	`you need todo lootedfrom = UnitName(targetId) .. GetRealZoneText()`
`10:29.15`	`nevcairiel`	`or rather`
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`10:29.20`	`nevcairiel`	`you need todo lootedfrom = UnitName(targetId) .. "," .. GetRealZoneText()`
`10:29.25`	`nevcairiel`	`so you get the comma in between`
`10:29.29`	`sun\sehmet`	`i see`
`10:29.40`	`sun\sehmet`	`tx :)`
`10:29.41`	`nevcairiel`	`.. is the string concat operator`
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`10:29.47`	`sun\sehmet`	`oki`
`10:30.08`	`sun\sehmet`	`so that would give me Archimonde,Hyjal Summit`
`10:30.19`	`krka`	`lootedfrom = ("%s,%s"):format( UnitName(targetId), GetRealZoneText())`
`10:30.32`	`sun\sehmet`	`it gets more complicated :P`
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`10:43.14`	`Ellipsis`	`ping Zhinjio`
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`10:49.21`	`Industrial`	`I fucking knew it`
`10:49.26`	`Industrial`	`zomgbuffs misses externals`
`10:49.29`	`Industrial`	`>:@`
`10:49.34`	`clad\|office`	`haha`
`10:49.43`	`Ellipsis`	`Industrial 9132767, the world 0`
`10:49.44`	`clad\|office`	`so yell at Zeksie`
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`10:50.07`	`Industrial`	`Zeksie: rawr`
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`10:53.04`	`Anadale`	`Do we have any alive SVN admin here? :)`
`10:53.24`	`Industrial`	`Anadale: for?`
`10:54.12`	`Anadale`	`I'm trying to get SVN access for two weeks in this try :) Just want to know the estimated wait time`
`10:54.20`	`clad\|office`	`when they get a chance`
`10:54.24`	`clad\|office`	`there are only two of them iirc`
`10:54.54`	`nevcairiel`	`just slap pastamancer until he does it :P`
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`10:57.22`	`Anadale`	`ping Zeksie`
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`11:02.27`	`Zeksie`	`what?`
`11:02.34`	`Anadale`	`:)`
`11:02.49`	`Anadale`	`Any news?`
`11:03.12`	`Zeksie`	`got some changes on my copy atm. doing a couple of groups and testing htem at same time`
`11:03.51`	`Zeksie`	`annoying thing is, none of these bugs came up before i had to change everything to work in moduled mode :(`
`11:04.21`	`clad\|office`	`your externals are also not set right`
`11:04.25`	`clad\|office`	`as Industrial noted`
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`11:05.04`	`Zeksie`	`a bigger clue than 'not right' ?`
`11:05.20`	`clad\|office`	`disable all addons except yours and it won't work`
`11:05.23`	`clad\|office`	`ping Industrial`
`11:05.34`	`Zeksie`	`ok. busy atm tho. will try it in a bit`
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`11:06.41`	`qwesto`	`Zeksie, I get folders named "libs\Library" instead of a folder named "libs" containing "Library".`
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`11:07.53`	`Grum`	`hahahhaa`
`11:07.55`	`Grum`	`yes`
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`11:08.07`	`Grum`	`you silly windows user`
`11:08.23`	`Grum`	`anyhow, Zeksie, make a Libs folder, and on that folder set the properties`
`11:08.45`	`Grum`	`it doesnt auto-create folders for you unless you are on windows because windows is stupid :p`
`11:11.16`	`Grum`	`on linux it will make a folder called: "libs\AceLibrary" instead of doing: 'mkdir libs;cd libs;svn co $external AceLibrary'`
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`11:12.56`	`Snago`	`Using libs/Library will work on both, right?`
`11:15.27`	`Zeksie`	`will look into it when i'm done with this group`
`11:15.41`	`Zeksie`	`first time using the svn as dev. surprised there's not been more problems`
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`11:17.45`	`Zeksie`	`i set up the externals just as it said on the SVN_For_Beginners page :(`
`11:18.19`	`Snago`	`Any linux user want to confirm that using libs/Library in externals is working as expected? (Can test by exporting http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/IHML)`
`11:18.30`	`nevcairiel`	`it is`
`11:18.34`	`Snago`	`ty :)`
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`11:19.12`	`Zeksie`	`so the beginners guide is wrong... right?`
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`11:19.51`	`Snago`	`SVN_For_Beginners is using /`
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`11:21.46`	`zapl`	`@linux http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-L-0s-7-Z0&feature=related`
`11:23.00`	`clad\|office`	`Does anyone happen to know how I map a keybinding in vim to a :command?`
`11:23.05`	`clad\|office`	`in particular :TlistToggle`
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`11:23.46`	`Snago`	`Vim is too much voodoo for me :(`
`11:24.02`	`Snago`	`Wish I understood it better :P`
`11:24.14`	`clad\|office`	`most of it is really easy for me`
`11:24.23`	`clad\|office`	`but I struggle sometimes when learning new things`
`11:24.30`	`clad\|office`	`elisp just makes customization so easy :;`
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`11:24.36`	`CIA-9`	`03zeksie * r64425 10ZOMGBuffs/ (7 files in 5 dirs):`
`11:24.36`	`CIA-9`	`ZOMGBuffs`
`11:24.36`	`CIA-9`	`- Fixed some oddities with the Drag/Drop mechanism in Manager, and made it more robust.`
`11:24.36`	`CIA-9`	`- Fixed own paladin's buff wasn't changing when he set it by single clicking a buff in Manager.`
`11:24.36`	`CIA-9`	`- Fixed externals \ -> /`
`11:24.47`	`Zeksie`	`try that`
`11:24.55`	`Zeksie`	`afk a bit for a group`
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`11:43.11`	`magma`	`where should I report bugs for wowace-hosted projects?`
`11:43.21`	`Orionshock`	`what one?`
`11:43.55`	`magma`	`flexbar2_buffdur`
`11:44.06`	`magma`	`I believe ...`
`11:44.14`	`Orionshock`	`forums`
`11:44.18`	`magma`	`k`
`11:44.22`	`Orionshock`	`there should be a flexbar thread`
`11:46.00`	`[Ammo]`	`magma: or bother cncfanatics on this channel till he fixes it :)`
`11:46.23`	`magma`	`is he on often?`
`11:48.26`	`Industrial`	`Zeksie: SharedMedia-3.0 needs CallbackHandler-1.0`
`11:48.57`	`Industrial`	`really, try it without any other addons loaded :p`
`11:49.00`	`Orionshock`	`did something change in WIM to where it dosn't show whispers sent by addons IE bot style?`
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`11:50.02`	`Industrial`	`I hate that about embedded libs. If you don't run addons witout any other to test them you won't find out if the externals are set right`
`11:50.48`	`haste`	`I hate the fact that I need to add stuff to my TOC file`
`11:50.52`	`haste`	`teh torture :(`
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`11:56.52`	`Industrial`	`You know what, I'll fix it myself :p`
`11:57.07`	`Ellipsis`	`am I reading that wrong?`
`11:57.23`	`Industrial`	`I'll need an SVN account first`
`11:57.26`	`Industrial`	`;P`
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`11:58.38`	`Grum`	`no dont give Industrial a svn account!`
`11:58.53`	`Grum`	`did Zeksie fix the externals already`
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`11:59.36`	`Industrial`	`yeah but theres another`
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`12:00.05`	`Elkano`	`Industrial, you don't need SharedMedia-3.0 ... use SharedMedia`
`12:00.40`	`Industrial`	`Elkano: its not my addon`
`12:01.25`	`Industrial`	`did an Industrial alert go off somewhere?`
`12:01.39`	`Industrial`	`I swear I bet you are all in a channel debating what ill say next or something`
`12:01.44`	`Industrial`	`betting moeny on it ;P`
`12:01.46`	`Stanzilla`	`Industrial forgot "Lib"`
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`12:02.10`	`Stanzilla`	`<Industrial> Zeksie: SharedMedia-3.0 needs CallbackHandler-1.0 < there`
`12:02.19`	`Elkano`	`well, LibSharedMedia-3.0 need LibStub and CBH-3.0, that's right ^^`
`12:02.24`	`Elkano`	`...CBH-1.0`
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`12:05.32`	`Industrial`	`pastamancer: ping`
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`12:16.26`	`Anadale`	`Zeksie: Do we have a chance to see a version with ability to set blessings why in solo by today?`
`12:16.40`	`Anadale`	`*while`
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`12:16.55`	`nevcairiel`	`cant remember what to buff yourself, eh?`
`12:17.03`	`Anadale`	`no`
`12:17.13`	`Anadale`	`I want to setup a template for my raid`
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`12:17.23`	`Anadale`	`but i can't do it without raid with palas`
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`12:21.30`	`Josh_Borke`	`there, new pidgin so i no longer crash`
`12:21.31`	`Josh_Borke`	`woot`
`12:23.48`	`Ellipsis`	`there's a new pidgin version?`
`12:24.08`	`kenlyric`	`there is since I installed`
`12:24.14`	`Xinhuan`	`wheee blackrock down`
`12:24.18`	`CIA-9`	`03kagaro 07Ace3 * r64426 10kgPanelsConfig/kgPanelsConfig.lua: kgPanelsConfig: DRYCODE added support for import from eePanels to fix parent and anchor names`
`12:24.21`	`Xinhuan`	`2 minutes after archi dies`
`12:24.27`	`Ellipsis`	`oh sweet, 2.4.0`
`12:24.31`	`kenlyric`	`though i didn't have the version checker activated, so it might have been a while`
`12:24.42`	`kenlyric`	`loot before crash?`
`12:24.54`	`Xinhuan`	`its a scheduled restart across all servers hehe`
`12:25.02`	`Xinhuan`	`gave all loot out in like 1 min`
`12:25.05`	`Orionshock`	`ya nagrand went down`
`12:25.13`	`Xinhuan`	`fastest ever looting`
`12:25.44`	`Zhinjio`	`assigning a list element to "nil" effectively clears it out, yes?`
`12:25.50`	`Xinhuan`	`yes`
`12:25.54`	`Zhinjio`	`heya Xinhuan!`
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`12:28.02`	`kenlyric`	`man, I wish pidgin had a couple more irc options`
`12:28.13`	`kenlyric`	`like, any at all, for instance`
`12:29.06`	`Josh_Borke`	`get a plugin for it`
`12:29.26`	`Zhinjio`	`yeah, no kidding. I was trying it out earlier today.`
`12:29.51`	`Zhinjio`	`no color control at all. it made me sad.`
`12:29.57`	`Zhinjio`	`no font control`
`12:30.05`	`Zhinjio`	`the plugins don't cut it.`
`12:31.33`	`Zeksie`	`Anadale: did you try the one i posted about an hour aog?`
`12:32.03`	`magma`	`I use pidgin for aim/msn/icq/jabber, and xchat for irc`
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`12:34.44`	`Anadale`	`Tried with /reloadui - doesn't work. Will exit/enter wow and try again in a minute`
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`12:37.20`	`Zeksie`	`cos there was a bug until last post where if you changed your own blessings in the manager, it wasn't changing self. Silly mistake. Had reduced the amount of data being sent when ppl just click single buffs there, but had forgot to do the local call when you do your own ones.`
`12:37.28`	`Zeksie`	`but htat's working perfectly for me now`
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`12:38.04`	`Anadale`	`Zeksie: Please remeber that I'm a mage, not paladin`
`12:38.06`	`Zeksie`	`Stanzilla: annoying, that's a sub thing in ShareMedia, hoped it would pick it up itself.`
`12:38.31`	`Zeksie`	`erm... so what was you problem?`
`12:38.44`	`Anadale`	`ok, when I open blessing manager`
`12:38.57`	`Anadale`	`i see no palas in "normal" mode, but that's ok`
`12:39.05`	`Zeksie`	`yeah, that's fine`
`12:39.11`	`Anadale`	`than I press "configure" button and enter configuration mode`
`12:39.16`	`Zeksie`	`ok.`
`12:39.27`	`Anadale`	`leftmost column is just a numbers 1..5 if i remeber right`
`12:39.33`	`Zeksie`	`1..6`
`12:39.52`	`Anadale`	`then after that clicking on blessing icons doesn't change them`
`12:40.14`	`Zeksie`	`checking that now`
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`12:41.21`	`CIA-9`	`03kagaro 07Ace3 * r64427 10kgPanelsConfig/kgPanelsConfig.lua: kgPanelsConfig: realm came back up, tested chnages all works now`
`12:41.34`	`Zeksie`	`oh... now that you put it like htat, i know what's wrong if it's still broke`
`12:41.42`	`Zeksie`	`moment while i check`
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`12:43.21`	`CIA-9`	`03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r64428 10Ace3/AceGUI-3.0/widgets/AceGUIWidget-DropDown.lua:`
`12:43.21`	`CIA-9`	`Ace3 - AceGUI-3.0`
`12:43.21`	`CIA-9`	`- fix height of the dropdown pullout`
`12:43.45`	`Anadale`	`And please, please, can you make floating icon to display something like "I can buff something, but that assholes are far away from me"?`
`12:44.58`	`Anadale`	`still no SVN admins? ;)`
`12:45.57`	`Zhinjio`	`~seen Kaelten`
`12:45.59`	`purl`	`kaelten <n=kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 11h 25m 5s ago, saying: 'weird'.`
`12:46.09`	`Anadale`	`haha`
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`12:46.49`	`Zhinjio`	`so if I remove the last element in a table, effectivey turning it back into {} ... how can I test for that? somehow, I suspect just trying == {} won't work.`
`12:47.35`	`nevcairiel`	`lua> local t = {}; if not next(t) then print("empty") else print("not so empty") end`
`12:47.36`	`lua_bot`	`nevcairiel: empty`
`12:47.42`	`nevcairiel`	`lua> local t = {"1"}; if not next(t) then print("empty") else print("not so empty") end`
`12:47.42`	`lua_bot`	`nevcairiel: not so empty`
`12:48.27`	`nevcairiel`	`you get the idea`
`12:48.29`	`Zhinjio`	`thank you.`
`12:48.34`	`Zhinjio`	`I thought that was it.`
`12:49.02`	`Anadale`	`I hate SecureGroupHeaderTemplate. It broke my little fragile mind :(`
`12:49.05`	`Snago`	`lua> local t = {"1"}; test = next(t); if not next(t) then print("empty") else print("not so empty") end`
`12:49.05`	`lua_bot`	`Snago: not so empty`
`12:49.29`	`Anadale`	`Can someone give me a hand with it?`
`12:49.44`	`Snago`	`when does it reset?`
`12:49.51`	`Anadale`	`no`
`12:50.27`	`Anadale`	`have a frame based on SGHT, which is a child of another frame with title bar and other decoration`
`12:50.44`	`Anadale`	`set a nameList with only my name in it`
`12:50.57`	`Anadale`	`set initialConfigFunction and other stuff`
`12:51.27`	`Anadale`	`now, if i anchor that frame by two points - topleft and bottomright to parent frame I CAN see a button with my name`
`12:51.50`	`Anadale`	`but that secure frame is very small and positioned in bottomright corner of a big window`
`12:52.20`	`Anadale`	`if i anchor it only by topleft point and hook OnSizeChanged event to resize parent frame I see nothing at all`
`12:52.45`	`CIA-9`	`03zeksie * r64429 10ZOMGBuffs/ (3 files in 2 dirs):`
`12:52.45`	`CIA-9`	`ZOMGBuffs`
`12:52.45`	`CIA-9`	`- Fixed clicking Blessing Manager icons in configure mode in some cases.`
`12:52.45`	`CIA-9`	`- Fixed some externals.`
`12:52.45`	`Anadale`	`inspection of header shows NO anchorpoints, no left/right, only size`
`12:52.48`	`Zeksie`	`try that`
`12:53.02`	`Anadale`	`Zeksie: waiting it on WAU`
`12:53.08`	`Zeksie`	`k`
`12:53.46`	`Zeksie`	`found the problem anyway, and it works properly now on my rogue`
`12:53.48`	`Zeksie`	`so should be fine`
`12:53.52`	`Anadale`	`so I have no idea how to do automatic resize of parent frame base on size of header`
`12:54.29`	`Anadale`	`Zeksie: what about floating icon? pleeeaaaseeeee...`
`12:54.38`	`Zeksie`	`erm. what about it?`
`12:55.07`	`Anadale`	`Is it possible for this button to show that I can buff, but group/class is not arrived yet?`
`12:56.13`	`Anadale`	`and maybe chat notification saying "Group 2 will not receive that F**KING AI until mister LasyAss will not get in range"?`
`12:56.34`	`Zeksie`	`well. you get that kind of info if you mouseover the icon atm`
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`12:57.02`	`Anadale`	`yeah, but keeping mouse over a button is a little bit, mmm, annoying :)`
`12:57.22`	`Zeksie`	`yeah, but so would constant chat that LasyAss is not in range.`
`12:57.41`	`Anadale`	`No, only when you mousewheel or press a keybinding`
`12:57.48`	`Zeksie`	`for me at least. i don't want to know what ZOMG is doing half the time, it's setup and when ppl are in range it'll do it's job.`
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`12:58.18`	`Anadale`	`so I'll be able just press the button in response to "Where is my AI???"`
`12:58.41`	`Anadale`	`and they either receive AI or will know who to blame for not getting it`
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`12:59.28`	`Zeksie`	`yeah. maybe. not convinced on this, and it's a small issue atm. want to get it stable first off`
`12:59.50`	`Anadale`	`ok, ok :(`
`13:00.00`	`Benihime`	`Can anyone tell me if/how i can change my combo points texture on pitbull ?`
`13:00.42`	`Anadale`	`So, anyone has a clue what's wrong with SCHT?`
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`13:19.01`	`Benihime`	`Can anyone tell me if/how i can change my combo points texture on pitbull ? and where i can find Shared Media textures`
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`13:20.41`	`QuantumDelta`	`Zeksie still 'ere?`
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`13:23.35`	`Obiquelo`	`does anyone know an addon with buttons/bars that directly interects with wow events much like flexbar 1 did?`
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`13:24.07`	JY`	`what type of interaction ?`
`13:24.50`	JY`	`flexbar 1 was before the new actionbar system`
`13:25.36`	`Zeksie`	`yeah`
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`13:26.53`	`Zeksie`	`QuantumDelta: wassup?`
`13:27.02`	`QuantumDelta`	`Have you seen Pally Power?`
`13:27.10`	`Zeksie`	`yes`
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`13:27.33`	`QuantumDelta`	`Ahh, was just gonna say it might help you if you're after intuitive range/buff displays`
`13:28.49`	`Obiquelo`	JY`, yes. when you could control and track certain events on game
`13:29.11`	`Obiquelo`	`something like... I have button1 for example that has sunder armor on it and keybind="F"`
`13:29.15`	JY`	`Obiquelo: blizzard has removed this ability to bind action to event`
`13:29.32`	`Zeksie`	`QuantumDelta: what do you mean specifically. something missing from zomg? or?`
`13:29.44`	`Obiquelo`	`what exactly do you mean by bind action to event?`
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`13:29.52`	`QuantumDelta`	`I haven't looked at zomg (might pick it up just to offer you a hand)`
`13:29.54`	`Obiquelo`	`you mean automatically perform something on event or .. ?`
`13:29.59`	`QuantumDelta`	`it was just a general suggestion :)`
`13:30.19`	JY`	`you cant make an action from event other than keypress/mouse`
`13:30.27`	`Obiquelo`	`say... for example... you have button1 with sunder armor on it and keybind="F"`
`13:30.34`	JY`	`you can`
`13:30.35`	`Zeksie`	`well. it talks with users of pallypower. so they can benifit from ZOMG's automatic blessing assignments ;)`
`13:30.38`	`QuantumDelta`	`pally power doesn't need mouseovers to tell you if people are all in range (partial class in range/partially buffed -> yellow tab, fully in range with no one buffed -> red etc)`
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`13:30.50`	`QuantumDelta`	`heh interesting`
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`13:31.02`	`Zeksie`	`yes, but pally power uses up screen space which I definitely wanted to avoid`
`13:31.06`	`Obiquelo`	`and then overpower becomes available and you are on battle stance so button1 changes the action from sunder armor to Overpower`
`13:31.06`	`QuantumDelta`	`wait zomg automatically assigns raid buffs?`
`13:31.22`	`Obiquelo`	`for the time that overpower is available`
`13:31.23`	JY`	`Obiquelo: that you cant`
`13:31.24`	`Zeksie`	`yes, for blessings. based on talents, and player's classes, and roles`
`13:31.24`	`Obiquelo`	`and then changes back`
`13:31.40`	`QuantumDelta`	`loads WAU`
`13:31.43`	`Obiquelo`	well JY`, that's what I'm after :) any addon that does that already?
`13:32.02`	JY`	`you cant do more with an action bar addon than with macro`
`13:33.10`	JY`	`you can do conditionnal action depending on stance,target,button pressed`
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`13:33.26`	JY`	`and other condition listed in wowwiki`
`13:33.32`	`Obiquelo`	`ohh yes, ofc I understand that`
`13:34.06`	JY`	`but you cant do action depending on buff, rage/mana/energy, combo point , or reactive abilities`
`13:34.36`	`kenlyric`	`warning: i'm maybe possibly making an addon. I'll try not to crash the world with my copy/pasting of other people's work.`
`13:34.37`	`Elkano`	`~seen nymbia`
`13:34.38`	`purl`	`nymbia <n=nymbia@c-24-8-188-199.hsd1.co.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 5d 5h 21m 47s ago, saying: 'rofl'.`
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`13:35.11`	JY`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Make_a_Macro#Complete_list`
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`13:35.42`	JY`	`and you are not able to do more condition check than that`
`13:36.13`	`Obiquelo`	JY`, but you can make a button attached to a macro that says smoething like... if stance = battlestance and overpowerAvailable() = true and rage >= 5 then cast(overpower) else cast(sunder armor)
`13:36.18`	`Obiquelo`	`something like that`
`13:36.26`	JY`	`no`
`13:36.35`	`Obiquelo`	`why not? -.-`
`13:36.39`	JY`	`blizzard has forbidden it`
`13:36.42`	`Obiquelo`	`that's a macro, only gets executed on click`
`13:36.52`	JY`	`and removed the ability to do "smart check"`
`13:36.57`	`Obiquelo`	`omg -.-`
`13:36.58`	`Obiquelo`	`stupid blizz`
`13:37.01`	`Obiquelo`	`lol`
`13:37.04`	`kenlyric`	`no`
`13:37.06`	`Obiquelo`	`so that's impossible??`
`13:37.07`	`Obiquelo`	`but...`
`13:37.09`	JY`	`because some rogues were spamming one button`
`13:37.14`	`kenlyric`	`not stupid`
`13:37.20`	`Obiquelo`	`no I can understand why.`
`13:37.21`	`Obiquelo`	`but...`
`13:37.26`	`kenlyric`	`macros should make life easier, not think for you`
`13:37.30`	`kenlyric`	`oh, ok`
`13:37.34`	`Obiquelo`	`you CAN still do those checks on an addon, right? even if you can't do anything with the button`
`13:37.54`	`Obiquelo`	`but an addon can do those kind of checks even if it can't do anything with it`
`13:37.55`	`kenlyric`	`sure`
`13:37.57`	`evl`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:38.02`	`kenlyric`	`that's why parrot screams at me OVERPOWER`
`13:38.09`	`Obiquelo`	`ok`
`13:38.10`	`Obiquelo`	`so...`
`13:38.20`	`Obiquelo`	`I'm assuming that blizz has locked down the content of buttons during combat`
`13:38.32`	`Obiquelo`	`besides the content of a button is server sided if I remember correctly`
`13:38.33`	`kenlyric`	`since december of 2006`
`13:38.33`	`Obiquelo`	`but...`
`13:38.39`	JY`	`and this would be useless if blizz has not locked the addons too`
`13:38.44`	JY`	`had*`
`13:38.50`	`Obiquelo`	`has blizz locked down binds to buttons during battle?`
`13:39.04`	`Obiquelo`	`or can you change a bind of a button during battle?`
`13:39.04`	`kenlyric`	`frames can chaange during combat, or they can be acted on during combat. Not both`
`13:39.21`	`Obiquelo`	`if so, instead of changing the content of the button, change the bind of the button`
`13:39.23`	`Obiquelo`	`like...`
`13:39.29`	`kenlyric`	`so you can ahve an emergency monitor, but you can't click on it`
`13:39.42`	`kenlyric`	`I doubt it`
`13:39.48`	JY`	`the list of allowed checks are in the wowiki list`
`13:40.00`	`Obiquelo`	`button1.KeyBind = "F" and if overpower is available button1.KeyBind = "Z" and button2.KeyBind = "F"`
`13:40.14`	JY`	`if this would be possible, it would be fixed very fast`
`13:40.14`	`Obiquelo`	`when overpower is not available anymore...`
`13:40.20`	`Obiquelo`	`it changes back`
`13:40.28`	`Obiquelo`	`worth a shot :P`
`13:40.29`	`Obiquelo`	`lol`
`13:40.39`	JY`	`because that's what blizzard dont want to`
`13:40.45`	`Obiquelo`	`yeah I realized taht already`
`13:40.50`	`kenlyric`	`what would be the purpose of that keybind?`
`13:40.51`	`Obiquelo`	`it's their job to prohibid things`
`13:40.55`	`kenlyric`	`just bind overpower to z`
`13:41.13`	`Obiquelo`	`kenlyric, most classes have too many things to bind`
`13:41.21`	`Obiquelo`	`I'm lvl 30 on my war and running out of binds already`
`13:41.24`	`kenlyric`	`but you're already binding it to z`
`13:41.38`	`Obiquelo`	`I can't do sunder armor and overpower at the same time`
`13:41.44`	`Obiquelo`	`because they share the GCD`
`13:42.03`	`kenlyric`	`but you're already binding it to z`
`13:42.05`	`Obiquelo`	`and when blocking it's better to do OP then SA because less rage, faster, does dmg and aggro anyway`
`13:42.13`	`Obiquelo`	`ok, that was a bad example`
`13:42.20`	`Obiquelo`	`say I don't have a bind to overpower`
`13:42.23`	`kenlyric`	`i know, that's why I keep point it out :)`
`13:42.26`	`kenlyric`	`*ing`
`13:42.26`	`Obiquelo`	`I only have 1 key to bind left`
`13:42.30`	`Obiquelo`	`and 2 things to bind it to`
`13:42.37`	`Obiquelo`	`but 1 is depending on some events to be active`
`13:42.42`	`kenlyric`	`z, alt-z`
`13:42.53`	`Obiquelo`	`well the example is bad, but the nature of the question remains :P`
`13:42.56`	`kenlyric`	`you can't do it in combat`
`13:43.00`	`kenlyric`	`you can do it out of combat`
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`13:43.06`	`kenlyric`	`the end`
`13:43.13`	`Obiquelo`	`kenlyric, not the point. I don't want to use alt, ctrl, shift etc.`
`13:43.28`	`kenlyric`	`I have a charge/thunderclap/zerker rage macro that changes depending on my stance/target`
`13:43.43`	`Obiquelo`	`ofc, me too`
`13:43.49`	`Obiquelo`	`but say you are blocking something`
`13:43.56`	`Obiquelo`	`and you are sundering that target like mad`
`13:44.01`	`kenlyric`	`look, I understand what you are saying.`
`13:44.03`	`Obiquelo`	`you ain't even looking to see if revenge is up`
`13:44.05`	`kenlyric`	`kenlyric>you can't do it in combat`
`13:44.11`	`Obiquelo`	`and then suddenly revenge is up`
`13:44.13`	`kenlyric`	`I can't be any more clear`
`13:44.20`	`Obiquelo`	`you can't change binds during combat?`
`13:44.43`	`kenlyric`	`no`
`13:44.48`	`Obiquelo`	`ok, fair enough`
`13:44.49`	`Obiquelo`	`thx :)`
`13:44.51`	`kenlyric`	`Z won't siwtch from overpower to revenge`
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`13:45.36`	`kenlyric`	`you can change bars during combat.`
`13:46.01`	`kenlyric`	`but I'm fairly sure you can't do it based on a set of conditions coming up... you have to change stances or hit a button.`
`13:46.32`	`Chompers`	`revenge turns white when its ready`
`13:46.36`	`Chompers`	`hard to miss that`
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`13:47.19`	`CIA-9`	`mHud:`
`13:47.19`	`CIA-9`	`- Added: Falloff moduule`
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`13:47.27`	`CIA-9`	`Talented: (2.4 branch)`
`13:47.28`	`CIA-9`	`_ Add the ability to link spell for all talents and ranks.`
`13:47.30`	`CIA-9`	`_ Add support to import and export templates as wowdb URLs.`
`13:48.04`	`kenlyric`	`now, you can possibly macro the ability in, but it would depend on if it fires the global cooldown or not.`
`13:48.27`	`kenlyric`	`for instance, Kill command can be macroed into a hunter steady shot macro.`
`13:49.53`	JY`	`the most common trick is to make a castrandom macro and spam it so when it randomly choose an action which is possible, you make it, otherwise it fail`
`13:50.19`	JY`	`like /castrandom MS,whirlwind,overpower,execute`
`13:50.29`	JY`	`or so`
`13:50.30`	`kenlyric`	`but it can't choose between two of them very well.`
`13:50.37`	JY`	`it is ... random :)`
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`13:53.52`	`Anadale`	`ping Zeksie`
`13:54.15`	`Chompers`	`cast randoms are terrible for anything other than 5 mans`
`13:54.19`	`Xinhuan`	`tidy voodoo mask vs illidan`
`13:54.20`	`Xinhuan`	`http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/understruck/WoWScrnShot_031308_205022.jpg`
`13:54.25`	`Chompers`	`you dont max out yuor dps/threat or whatever`
`13:54.29`	`Xinhuan`	`i think illidan won`
`13:54.30`	`Xinhuan`	`http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/understruck/WoWScrnShot_031308_205042.jpg`
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`13:55.18`	`kenlyric`	`I don't get it`
`13:56.03`	`ramoz`	`lol`
`13:56.08`	`ramoz`	`how do you spawn so manY`
`13:56.09`	`home\|prophy`	`Xinhuan: what bag mod is that`
`13:56.15`	`Xinhuan`	`dunno, not my SS`
`13:56.23`	`Stanzilla`	`thats bagnon`
`13:56.32`	`home\|prophy`	`k thx`
`13:57.51`	`selckin`	`whats that addon called again that shows incoming/outgoing dmg/heals in a little window with icons?`
`13:58.00`	`Ellipsis`	`eavesdrop?`
`13:58.01`	`Civrock`	`Eavesdrop.`
`13:58.04`	`selckin`	`thanks`
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`14:00.48`	`Zeksie`	`Anadale: ? semi here, doing a heroic :)`
`14:00.54`	`Anadale`	`:)`
`14:00.58`	`Anadale`	`It works, ty`
`14:01.02`	`Zeksie`	`good ;)`
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`14:12.59`	`CIA-9`	`Ace3 - AceGUI-3.0`
`14:12.59`	`CIA-9`	`- redesign of the TreeGroup widget in 2.4 Interface Options style (using one of the 2.4 templates, currently duplicated in AceGUIWidget-DropDown-Templates.xml - remove with 2.4)`
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`14:32.33`	`keiss`	`why cant SPELL_AURA_APPLIED contain src information ...`
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`14:33.06`	`ramoz`	`WOHO, just quit my job`
`14:33.10`	`ramoz`	`lets celebrate!`
`14:33.15`	`ramoz`	`<m/`
`14:33.20`	`ramoz`	`\m>`
`14:33.32`	`ramoz`	`_m/`
`14:33.41`	`ramoz`	`\o/`
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`14:37.12`	`Kalroth`	`ramoz: grats`
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`14:37.51`	`CIA-9`	`AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP:`
`14:37.51`	`CIA-9`	`- new trinket added`
`14:38.36`	`ramoz`	`Kalroth: t`
`14:38.36`	`ramoz`	`y`
`14:38.51`	`ramoz`	`dunno if going back to school is any better`
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`14:39.22`	`CIA-9`	`Ace3 - AceGUI-3.0`
`14:39.22`	`CIA-9`	`- tweaks to dropdown`
`14:39.47`	`zapl`	`when you mouseover a chest, door or things alike is UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT or CURSOR_UPDATE fired?`
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`14:39.56`	`Obiquelo`	`what about swapping the IDs of buttons during a fight? that's possible right? if I'm not mistaken that's what blizz uses anyway?`
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`14:41.10`	`CIA-9`	`Ace3 - AceGUI-3.0`
`14:41.10`	`CIA-9`	`- ... and widget version`
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`14:43.36`	`ulic`	`keiss: does it never have source information in it?`
`14:44.23`	`zapl`	`Obiquelo: if it was possible someone would have done that`
`14:45.34`	`ulic`	`keiss: yea I just looked through some transcriptor logs I have, you're right, doesn't seem to ever specify a source.`
`14:47.12`	`keiss`	`ulic: yep , nothing ... was hoping for a more sane detection for spellsurge :)`
`14:47.36`	`Obiquelo`	`but zapl, I've just tried changing bindings when in combat using trinity bars. it worked.`
`14:48.18`	`zapl`	`are you sure it didnt change the binding after combat?`
`14:48.31`	`Obiquelo`	`fair enough I had to click a key to bind it to something... but I can't see how that would change anything. I reckon I can make an addon that changes the binding of the key when in combat`
`14:48.48`	`Obiquelo`	`I'm positive. I stood there with a mob hitting me and changed bindings several times`
`14:48.51`	`Obiquelo`	`besides...`
`14:48.59`	`Obiquelo`	`according to trinitybars faq...`
`14:50.12`	`Obiquelo`	`I quote: "The other addons will use the same button and swap out their ID's to make it look like you have another button to click on with a new spell, which is the same method Blizzard uses in the default UI but it is still the same frame just with new data."`
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`14:51.19`	`Obiquelo`	`if even blizz uses that method... then it's possible. and not only is it possible... they'd have to devise a new method for the original UI or limit the API so that addons can't do that. on the other hand, by doing that... they will eliminate most addons that change IDs anyway`
`14:51.33`	`Obiquelo`	`so it's doesn't rly sound like a good solution for them either`
`14:51.36`	JY`	`anyway, if you found a way to circumvent blizzard limitation, you could get your accout banned`
`14:52.00`	JY`	`or maybe not, but theres would be a fix`
`14:52.08`	`Obiquelo`	`why? I'm using API functions that are free to the public`
`14:52.11`	`Obiquelo`	`not hacking anything`
`14:52.56`	JY`	`what is sure is that they dont want this behaviour`
`14:52.57`	`Obiquelo`	`blizz made it available, not my fault they don't want me to use it :P same case as decursive and defendyourself in the first year of wow, when sending atk and turn functions was possible`
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`14:53.24`	`[Ammo]`	`http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=N1nKo-F6m18`
`14:53.40`	`CIA-9`	`03funkydude * r64440 10/trunk/ (6 files in 6 dirs): .trunk: StatBlocks: Remove embedding of AceTimer`
`14:53.44`	`Obiquelo`	JY`, that's true. but as I said... they'd have to find another way around it, because if they were to simply remove that function from their API, then most addons would break! even the ones with "good intentions"
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`14:54.39`	JY`	`i trust them to make what is needed to avoid that`
`14:55.02`	`Obiquelo`	`everything that can be created can be broken :D`
`14:55.03`	JY`	`maybe you should ask on ui&macro`
`14:55.09`	JY`	`forum`
`14:55.11`	`Obiquelo`	`ahh`
`14:55.26`	`Obiquelo`	`well that would give blizz the idea to block it even before I have the change to properly test it!`
`14:55.31`	`kagaro`	`[Ammo]: awsome`
`14:55.32`	`Obiquelo`	`chance*`
`14:55.35`	JY`	`or search the forum ^^`
`14:55.38`	`[Ammo]`	`kagaro: yarr`
`14:55.44`	`[Ammo]`	`love how he's all casual :)`
`14:55.58`	`Obiquelo`	`so far, only thing I know is that it IS possible to change bindings during combat`
`14:56.02`	`kagaro`	`yeah its great`
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`14:58.25`	`Obiquelo`	`ok, actually... you can't :P`
`14:58.31`	`Obiquelo`	`binds cannot be changed during combat`
`14:58.35`	`Obiquelo`	`it's a "bug" with the addon`
`14:58.51`	JY`	`^^`
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`14:59.23`	`Obiquelo`	`basically it shows as the bind to have changed, but when you click the new bind, it doesn't work`
`14:59.38`	`Obiquelo`	`when you click the "old" bind, it continues to work with the "old" bind`
`15:00.00`	`Obiquelo`	`and even after combat, the addon does not update the bindings, so even though it displays bind as being the "new bind" only the "old" bind works`
`15:00.15`	`Obiquelo`	`and you have to rebind it to have it showing the correct bind`
`15:00.17`	`Obiquelo`	`GAH!`
`15:00.22`	`CIA-9`	`03gagorian * r64441 10DrDamage/DrDamage.lua:`
`15:00.22`	`CIA-9`	`DrDamage:`
`15:00.22`	`CIA-9`	`- Support for new versions of TrinityBar and unlimited buttons`
`15:00.24`	`zapl_`	`you could try stuff like make 10 buttons at the same place and only show or only mouseenable the one you want`
`15:00.36`	`Obiquelo`	`well, the ID change is still an idea...`
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`15:01.16`	`zapl_`	`but iimo it wont work`
`15:01.25`	`Obiquelo`	`umm... what's the command to bind something on default UI to a button? does anyone know?`
`15:01.43`	`nevcairiel`	`you cannot change the ids in combat, nor hide/show buttons, nor mouseenable them`
`15:02.02`	`Obiquelo`	`zapl_, that _should_ work, make them all into difference "stances"`
`15:02.14`	`zapl_`	`~api SetBinding`
`15:02.14`	`purl`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SetBinding`
`15:02.26`	`Obiquelo`	`cheers :)`
`15:03.35`	`Obiquelo`	`SetBinding no longer appears to work if your character is in combat. (2.0.1)`
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`15:03.46`	`Obiquelo`	`well, I guess I'll have to drop it -.-`
`15:05.51`	`Obiquelo`	`but... also for information, what happens with default ui when you change stances?`
`15:06.16`	`Obiquelo`	`is it another button, same button but different ID, what?`
`15:06.48`	`zapl`	`different id`
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`15:08.05`	`Obiquelo`	`so then... ids can change in battle, right?`
`15:08.22`	`Obiquelo`	`because I can change stances/stealth/form etc when in battle`
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`15:22.31`	`Gelo`	`ooo.. 2.4 predownloader`
`15:22.52`	`Gelo`	`so it's finally ready`
`15:23.15`	`CIA-9`	`03gagorian * r64442 10DrDamage/DrDamage.lua:`
`15:23.15`	`CIA-9`	`DrDamage:`
`15:23.15`	`CIA-9`	`- Fixed AB text issue introduced in last commit for certain actionbar addons`
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`15:26.38`	`ulic`	`Gelo: probably just the media is ready. I don't even think all the bosses have been downed in Sunwell yet have they?`
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`15:32.25`	`keiss`	`weird ... i can apply renew over my running renew once , but the second time it says 'a more powerfull spell is already active"`
`15:33.43`	`durcyn`	`because your +healing changed between.`
`15:34.39`	`keiss`	`durcyn: youre right ... ./slap self`
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`15:37.57`	`Obiquelo`	`durcyn, that can not always be the case`
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`15:38.17`	`Josh_Borke`	`when would that change?`
`15:38.22`	`Josh_Borke`	`or not be the case rather`
`15:38.45`	`Obiquelo`	`on my war my rends start with 8 dmg and build it's way up to 10. when I try to spamm rend as often as I can, if it reaches the part when dmg == 10 and not 8, then I get that message as well`
`15:38.51`	`Obiquelo`	`and doesn't let me re-rend my target`
`15:38.57`	`Obiquelo`	`even though I didn't change anything in my equip`
`15:39.06`	`Obiquelo`	`didn't lvl, didn't get any buff, didn't lose buff, whatever`
`15:39.09`	`nevcairiel`	`we were talking about hots =P`
`15:39.18`	`keiss`	`iam actually working on an addon that switched weapons after / during casts , so it does actually change in my case`
`15:39.35`	`Josh_Borke`	`we were talking about hots :-P`
`15:39.42`	`Obiquelo`	`ohh :P`
`15:39.50`	`nevcairiel`	`a on-spell-casting proc which increases +healing can cause that too`
`15:39.51`	`Obiquelo`	`but it's still strange and kinda stupid that I can't re-rend my target`
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`15:40.59`	`Obiquelo`	`and even worse that that only happens after a while.`
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`15:41.47`	`CIA-9`	`AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP:`
`15:41.47`	`CIA-9`	`- zhCN & zhTW update`
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`15:46.09`	`zapl`	`thats really annoying with shamans earthshield, you cant renew it when its about to expire. they should introduce a imapro button that overrides those stupid checks`
`15:46.40`	`keiss`	`idd ... same with PoM for example`
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`15:52.43`	`Obiquelo`	`well that's what I just explained with rend as well :P`
`15:52.44`	`Obiquelo`	`what about...`
`15:53.18`	`Obiquelo`	`curses of agony on wls?`
`15:53.30`	`Obiquelo`	`they also deal more dmg towards the end, can they not be renewed in the end?`
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`15:54.40`	`nevcairiel`	`you can always re-buff CoA`
`15:55.01`	`keiss`	`that was his point i think :)`
`15:55.10`	`keiss`	`why isnt blizzard preventing you from doing it`
`15:55.14`	`Obiquelo`	`exactly`
`15:55.25`	`FinalX`	`because the new spell will be more powerful`
`15:55.38`	`Obiquelo`	`not true, it does more dmg towards the END, not the beginning`
`15:55.40`	`FinalX`	`and you might want to recast it before it ends, in case you get stunned a lot for example`
`15:55.57`	`FinalX`	`more powerful does not mean "more damage in next tick"`
`15:55.57`	`keiss`	`same goes for Renew ...`
`15:56.03`	`Obiquelo`	`same applies to earth shield, rend and others`
`15:56.06`	`Obiquelo`	`and renew`
`15:56.30`	`FinalX`	`renew heals the same per tick, and can also be renewed`
`15:56.32`	`keiss`	`if theres 1 second left and i want to renew if because of spell rotation and i get 'cant because bla bla' msg ... it sux`
`15:56.47`	`FinalX`	`same story, you often want to recast a renew before it's run out`
`15:56.50`	`Josh_Borke`	`i don't believe that rend should be affective by "can't apply due to stronger whatever"`
`15:56.53`	`FinalX`	`just in case you get incapacitated and all`
`15:56.59`	`Obiquelo`	`FinalX, if there's 2 secs left on rend and I want to re-rend, I can't`
`15:57.00`	`nevcairiel`	`who uses rend anyway o.O`
`15:57.11`	`Josh_Borke`	`lol`
`15:57.18`	`Obiquelo`	`I get a message saying a more powerful thing is already in action`
`15:57.25`	`keiss`	`FinalX: no , renew cant be renewed actually`
`15:57.31`	`Obiquelo`	`nevcairiel, not the point.`
`15:57.34`	`FinalX`	`Obiquelo: That's because it might be more powerful due to buffs cast prior to doing the last rend.`
`15:57.35`	`Obiquelo`	`it's an example`
`15:57.39`	`keiss`	`FinalX: and thats the whole point of this discussion`
`15:58.04`	`nevcairiel`	`you can always override DoTs that are more powerful even due to buffs, no?`
`15:58.10`	`nevcairiel`	`you cant do that with HoTs`
`15:58.32`	`FinalX`	`keiss: Renew can be renewed.. but not if you casted that Renew with a popped trinket and you're not using the trinket with the next cast.`
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`15:58.37`	`Obiquelo`	`FinalX: no, that is not the case. same gear, same buffs, try to re-rend your target when rend is about to end and you can't`
`15:59.15`	`Obiquelo`	`earthshield also appears to suffer from thsi`
`15:59.18`	`Obiquelo`	`this*`
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`15:59.34`	`keiss`	`FinalX: you are right ... but i find that bothering ... i just want to be able to renew my renew anytime no matter of procs / ...`
`15:59.39`	`Josh_Borke`	`imo this should only happen to BUFFS, not DEBUFFS`
`15:59.57`	`nevcairiel`	`Josh_Borke: it only does (maybe except rend thats bugged :P)`
`16:00.14`	`Obiquelo`	`I don't have a priest so I don't know that part, but I know that rend does dmg over time, the dmg does not always have to the same each tick.`
`16:00.20`	`FinalX`	`keiss: I find that annoying as well, just like Prayer of Mending. If another priest's PoM's duration has nearly ended on your MT and you want to recast it but have slightly less +healing, you can't.`
`16:00.32`	`Obiquelo`	`like my first 2 ticks can be 50 dmg and the 3rd tick be 51 and then back to 50 for example`
`16:00.40`	`keiss`	`exactly , blizzard fail imo ..`
`16:00.49`	`FinalX`	`While that's normally fine, a lot of our priests forget to recast it before it ends if the tank hasn't started pulling by then`
`16:00.55`	`Obiquelo`	`if I try to rend right after or before (haven't figured it out yet) the tick that had a higher dmg than "normal" I can't re-rend`
`16:01.16`	`Josh_Borke`	`Obiquelo: bug, submit a bug report`
`16:01.18`	`nevcairiel`	`the 50 50 51 50 ticks are just rounding stuff`
`16:01.22`	`Josh_Borke`	`you should ALWAYS be able to apply a debuff`
`16:01.26`	`nevcairiel`	`its probably 50.3`
`16:01.28`	`nevcairiel`	`or something`
`16:01.30`	`Obiquelo`	`exactly Josh_Borke`
`16:01.37`	`Obiquelo`	`not buffs, but debuffs yes`
`16:02.05`	`Obiquelo`	`I mean, at least the ones that are 1 per player instead of 1 per creature`
`16:02.09`	`Obiquelo`	`else it will also be a bit stupid`
`16:02.43`	`Obiquelo`	`'cause if I'm lvl 70 war and go with a lvl 40 war somewhere and I keep sundering the armor of my target, he shouldn't be able to replace my higher sunders with his lower sunders`
`16:03.14`	`nevcairiel`	`hehe yeah`
`16:03.17`	`Obiquelo`	`but in the case of rend (for example, I'm sure there might be more) since it's 1 per player, you should always be able to apply it`
`16:03.32`	`Obiquelo`	`'cause a creature can have 5 rends on it if 5 different wars apply rend`
`16:03.36`	`Obiquelo`	`(I think)`
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`16:09.10`	`CIA-9`	`RaidMarshal:`
`16:09.10`	`CIA-9`	`- Version 1.0 added loot tracking edits and lots of bug fixes`
`16:10.40`	`EvilJohn-`	`what does Raid Marshal do?`
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`16:18.08`	`nevcairiel`	`is there DebugLiteral? =P`
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`16:24.02`	`CIA-9`	`RaidMarshal:`
`16:24.02`	`CIA-9`	`- Version 1.0 added loot tracking edits and lots of bug fixes`
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`16:24.14`	`Fisker-`	`i'm gonna kill you all`
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`16:27.16`	`Fisker-`	`keiss dies.`
`16:27.36`	`Elkano`	`~seen elisa`
`16:27.39`	`purl`	`elisa <n=elisa@87.14.122.50> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 113d 18h 57m 44s ago, saying: 'the error is: the kde-base/ksync package conflicts with another package'.`
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`16:27.46`	`purl`	`elkano is currently on #wowi-lounge (3h 52m 50s) #wowace (3h 52m 50s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 10s, last said: '~seen elisa'.`
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`16:27.59`	`Elkano`	`~unsee Fisker-`
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`16:28.02`	`purl`	`elsia <n=elsiarow@p57A2601D.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 16h 56m 57s ago, saying: 'i see'.`
`16:28.07`	`Fisker-`	`moar liek that right?`
`16:28.16`	`Elkano`	`^^'`
`16:29.10`	`xyu`	`(magicmarker) If there are only 2 mobs and they happen to be categorized as crowd control for larger pulls, it will mark them both as CC. :(`
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`16:32.41`	`ulic`	`Comments aren't so useful if they are the same over and over, but I guess it's a branch, so eh.`
`16:37.15`	`zapl`	`~seen purl`
`16:37.17`	`purl`	`purl is currently on #casualti #botpark #linuxfund #wowi-lounge #edev #fossfund #hosernet #norganna #ud ##kierra #dub #teleconf #openezx #pegasos.org #kas ##bz-inc #openjtag #wowace #curseforge, last said: 'Tallahassee, Tallahassee Regional Airport, FL, United States; (KTLH) 30-23-35N 084-21-12W 16M; last updated: 2008.02.15 1153 UTC; Dew Point: 30.9 F (-0.6 C); ...`
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`16:45.07`	`CIA-9`	`- Version 1.0 added loot tracking edits and lots of bug fixes`
`16:45.12`	`Josh_Borke`	`wtf is going on`
`16:45.17`	`Josh_Borke`	`that's the same commit message 4 times in a row`
`16:45.27`	`nevcairiel`	`maybe he really likes it`
`16:45.34`	`nevcairiel`	`~lart kypp`
`16:45.34`	`purl`	`dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on kypp`
`16:45.55`	`Josh_Borke`	`i can hit tab without fear of crashing pidgin! WOOT!`
`16:46.07`	`nevcairiel`	`no kypp here, though`
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`16:51.24`	`CIA-9`	`ZOMGBuffs`
`16:51.24`	`CIA-9`	`- Fixed problem that would stop it checking for buffs if it the GCD was close to expiring.`
`16:51.24`	`CIA-9`	`- Now checks current blessings template after a talent wipe for anything you can't do now.`
`16:51.24`	`CIA-9`	`- Also does same check when loading a template to be sure it's still valid.`
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`16:57.47`	`xyu`	`anyone in game w/ magic marker updated? i can't open my mob database mobs`
`16:57.58`	`xyu`	`oh n/m`
`16:58.05`	`xyu`	`i if i use /mm i can, if i use /ace3 i cannot :)`
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`17:01.18`	`p3lim`	`anyone here knows how AddChatWindowChannel() works?`
`17:02.40`	`NeoTron`	`xyu: hmm`
`17:02.48`	`NeoTron`	`wonder how /ace3 broke`
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`17:03.55`	`NeoTron`	`regardless, it's less screen overhead to use /mm`
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`17:04.35`	`AlexQi`	`hello,girl.`
`17:05.05`	`Josh_Borke`	`hell,guy.`
`17:05.16`	`NeoTron`	`lol`
`17:05.38`	`NeoTron`	`~fishslap AlexQi`
`17:05.39`	`purl`	`ACTION slaps AlexQi up side the head with a wet fish.`
`17:05.47`	`AlexQi`	`hi,gay.`
`17:05.51`	`AlexQi`	`hehe`
`17:06.17`	`NeoTron`	`HAI GAIS!`
`17:06.30`	`Kuja^`	`lol`
`17:06.57`	`AlexQi`	`where are u, neotron.`
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`17:07.19`	`NeoTron`	`I am pretty sure I am "here"`
`17:07.54`	`ulic`	`oh nuts, it's not so sneaky in a msg :)`
`17:08.47`	`AlexQi`	`are u a english man?`
`17:09.36`	`ulic`	`I heard he's an English Muffin`
`17:10.39`	`AlexQi`	`english cookies?`
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`17:10.42`	`CIA-9`	`SpamMeNot:`
`17:10.42`	`CIA-9`	`- Filter invites option now defaults to false on new installations`
`17:10.42`	`CIA-9`	`- Word list update`
`17:11.38`	`AlexQi`	`english biscuit`
`17:11.57`	`evl`	`Approaching 350 weapon skill, is it a roll based system or a fracton I just can't see, anyway to see those fractons?`
`17:12.21`	`Josh_Borke`	`evl: it's fraction based`
`17:13.02`	`evl`	`but no way of exposing the fraction?`
`17:13.05`	`Josh_Borke`	`evl: you must attack a target X number of times for each weapon skill point where X increases as your weapon skill level increases`
`17:13.10`	`Josh_Borke`	`i don't believe anyone has taken the time to figure it out`
`17:13.19`	`evl`	`Im trying to get from 349 guns to 350`
`17:14.29`	`NeoTron`	`evl: the last point is amazingly much harder to get`
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`17:14.36`	`ulic`	`evl: just go park yourself in a safe spot and auto-shoot Dr. Bomb, then go have a coffee.`
`17:14.40`	`kenlyric`	`and I think it's like fishing, where's it's a range`
`17:14.44`	`NeoTron`	`like an order of magnitude or two harder`
`17:14.44`	`evl`	`autoshoot with rogue? :P`
`17:14.53`	`ulic`	`oh, I guess not then`
`17:14.54`	`kenlyric`	`so each shot increases by a non-static percentage`
`17:15.18`	`NeoTron`	`interestingly back when the racials gave +wpn skill, you never reached that ceiling`
`17:15.19`	`ulic`	`evl, just get it when it comes, on my rogue I was at 349 thrown for what seemed an eternity.`
`17:15.20`	`AlexQi`	`do u play game?`
`17:15.22`	`Josh_Borke`	`i thought fishing was static?`
`17:15.30`	`NeoTron`	`i.e with +5 weapon skill it was easy as heck to get the last point`
`17:15.36`	`AlexQi`	`cs?`
`17:16.01`	`kenlyric`	`I believe there's a range at each tier`
`17:16.10`	`kenlyric`	`the last one is something like 10-12 casts per skill point`
`17:16.16`	`kenlyric`	`(successful casts)`
`17:16.21`	`NeoTron`	`fishing is more static`
`17:16.29`	`NeoTron`	`there's a forumula to calculate it`
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`17:22.04`	`Fisker-`	`any pro warlocks here?`
`17:22.48`	`Ozguli`	`pro warlock?`
`17:23.09`	`Gagorian`	`pro war?`
`17:23.23`	`Fisker-`	`yeah Ozguli`
`17:23.26`	`Fisker-`	`if such exist :P`
`17:23.26`	`Ozguli`	`I faceroll outdpsed one on a spriest and had to study the class to find out how on earth that was possible`
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`17:23.43`	`Ozguli`	`so I know something about them`
`17:23.47`	`Fisker-`	`awsum`
`17:23.51`	`Fisker-`	`you in MH/BT?`
`17:24.00`	`Ozguli`	`not yet`
`17:24.23`	`Josh_Borke`	`that's why`
`17:24.27`	`Fisker-`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32584 <-any idea why one of our warlocks would want that?`
`17:24.43`	`Josh_Borke`	`haste`
`17:24.54`	`Ozguli`	`only reason`
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`17:25.06`	`Fisker-`	`The hastebonus is really that good that it outperform other damage bracers?`
`17:25.11`	`Gagorian`	`Umm`
`17:25.15`	`Ozguli`	`no way`
`17:25.30`	`Josh_Borke`	`it has 22 damage, haste, stam, int`
`17:25.33`	`Ozguli`	`the badge bracers, let me search them`
`17:25.37`	`Gagorian`	`There's absolutely no reason to pick that over http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32586`
`17:25.46`	`Josh_Borke`	`it's true, there's not`
`17:25.59`	`Fisker-`	`ah ok`
`17:26.10`	`Fisker-`	`might just've been a mistake on his part`
`17:26.25`	`Gagorian`	`Those bracers are the best ones available`
`17:26.29`	`Gagorian`	`For destro`
`17:26.31`	`Josh_Borke`	`ozguli: warlocks start to out dps shadow priests in T6 content`
`17:26.43`	`Ozguli`	`I'm aware of that`
`17:26.55`	`Twist-`	`or you don't have the HoD available for nimble thought, and he's going for what he can get?`
`17:27.05`	`Gagorian`	`Both cost HoDs`
`17:27.17`	`Ozguli`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33588`
`17:27.29`	`NeoTron`	`Fisker-: you called?`
`17:27.43`	`Twist-`	`ah, the swiftheal are crafted too. I should learn to scroll one of these days`
`17:27.45`	`Fisker-`	`i want to have you`
`17:27.59`	`Fisker-`	`was just wondering why a warlock would have me craft swiftheal bracers for him`
`17:28.10`	`EvilJohn-`	`as we're gearing upi in t6, most of the DPS classes are pulling away from my SP now`
`17:28.20`	`EvilJohn-`	`it didn't take long really`
`17:28.39`	`Ozguli`	`they really should`
`17:28.43`	`[Ammo]`	`SP = support`
`17:28.46`	`NeoTron`	`Fisker-: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32586 is what they want`
`17:28.46`	`[Ammo]`	`not primary dps`
`17:28.49`	`Ozguli`	`don't worry, you're fine mana batteries`
`17:28.50`	`NeoTron`	`it is, clearly, better`
`17:28.54`	`EvilJohn-`	`yeah, I'm doing my job`
`17:29.04`	`EvilJohn-`	`though, at some point, the gap widens to far`
`17:29.10`	`Ozguli`	`I told my raid I wouldn't use one single potion today, they'd better place a spriest in my group`
`17:29.13`	`Fisker-`	`yeah NeoTron i'm guessing he just didn't see that it was the healing bracers i got`
`17:29.23`	`EvilJohn-`	`and with the mana rgen changes in 2.4, the solid regen isn't nearly as important`
`17:29.23`	`NeoTron`	`that'd be my guess`
`17:29.34`	`EvilJohn-`	`going to be interesting`
`17:29.42`	`p3lim`	`anyone know how i can change the font size on NAMEPLATE_FONT ?`
`17:29.55`	`NeoTron`	`EvilJohn-: also all dps classes aer pulling ahead of affliction locks`
`17:30.02`	`NeoTron`	`so it's not just SP's`
`17:30.19`	`EvilJohn-`	`Idon't see that as a real issue`
`17:30.21`	`NeoTron`	`EvilJohn-: and don't worry - warlock still have zero mana regen while casting`
`17:30.22`	`EvilJohn-`	`they can go destro`
`17:30.29`	`NeoTron`	`it is a real issue`
`17:30.46`	`NeoTron`	`destro, to many, is incredibly boring`
`17:30.51`	`NeoTron`	`all you do is spam one spell. period.`
`17:30.57`	`NeoTron`	`for 10+ minutes if the fight is long`
`17:30.58`	`EvilJohn-`	`sort of like a mage`
`17:31.05`	`NeoTron`	`even mages have more spells`
`17:31.11`	`EvilJohn-`	`you don't use them`
`17:31.19`	`Josh_Borke`	`what spell for a mage?`
`17:31.25`	`NeoTron`	`and mages can, at least, use fire and arcane specs and be competetive`
`17:31.28`	`Josh_Borke`	`just fireball?`
`17:31.38`	`EvilJohn-`	`scorchx3 fireball x7 scorchx1 repeat`
`17:31.43`	`NeoTron`	`fireball + scorch or arcane missiles/arcane blast`
`17:31.44`	`Josh_Borke`	`sounds like 2 spells :-D`
`17:32.07`	`EvilJohn-`	`no different than destro locks tossing in a dot`
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`17:32.21`	`NeoTron`	`it still makes no sense that a spec that is competetive for 80% of the raiding suddently is useless`
`17:32.22`	`EvilJohn-`	`saying any class is a single spell raid encounter is a litlte silly`
`17:32.26`	`NeoTron`	`as in 500+ dps less useless`
`17:32.44`	`NeoTron`	`EvilJohn-: a destro lock putting up a dot is a bad destro lock`
`17:32.53`	`NeoTron`	`unless they don't happen to need CoE/CoS/CoR or CoW`
`17:33.02`	`NeoTron`	`and then they should have CoD which is a 1 minute "dot"`
`17:33.05`	`durcyn`	`NeoTron: eh, hybrid 0/21/40 fire/shadow immo+sb spam is actually higher dps than pure sb spam`
`17:33.08`	`NeoTron`	`so it's not comparable`
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`17:33.10`	`EvilJohn-`	`dot when you move`
`17:33.16`	`durcyn`	`assuming you're smart enough to time immo refreshes correctly`
`17:33.18`	`NeoTron`	`durcyn: no, it is not`
`17:33.23`	`EvilJohn-`	`;ike a mge fire blasts when he moves`
`17:33.28`	`EvilJohn-`	`agaun`
`17:33.29`	`NeoTron`	`durcyn: you forget ISB`
`17:33.30`	`EvilJohn-`	`again`
`17:33.32`	`NeoTron`	`and mana use`
`17:33.36`	`durcyn`	`NeoTron: try again`
`17:33.38`	`EvilJohn-`	`it's not as simple has just one button`
`17:33.40`	`durcyn`	`i said immo + sb`
`17:33.45`	`NeoTron`	`ies. immolate`
`17:33.50`	`EvilJohn-`	`it just feels that way because you Mostly do that one thing`
`17:33.53`	`NeoTron`	`it's mana inefficient and doesn't get shadow bolt up`
`17:33.56`	`NeoTron`	`imp SB`
`17:33.58`	`durcyn`	`i.e. imp immo + emberstorm + immo + sb= higher dps than just sb`
`17:34.02`	`durcyn`	`you're still not listening`
`17:34.12`	`NeoTron`	`yes I am. you are wrong.`
`17:34.19`	`durcyn`	`with scorch up, it's higher dps`
`17:34.55`	`durcyn`	`even with shadow-only neck/cloak/enchant`
`17:35.02`	`NeoTron`	`The time spent casting immolate is time not spent casting shadow bolts. this reduces the chance for SB crits and application of 20% buff to all shadow damage`
`17:35.19`	`durcyn`	`you'd think that, but you'd be wrong`
`17:35.25`	`durcyn`	`try it ;)`
`17:35.32`	`NeoTron`	`also you spend a lot of mana on immolate`
`17:35.32`	`NeoTron`	`and thus lifetap more`
`17:35.35`	`NeoTron`	`I have`
`17:35.42`	`NeoTron`	`do you really think I'm just guessing?`
`17:35.51`	`durcyn`	`do you really think i am?`
`17:36.28`	`EvilJohn-`	`I think durcyn's dad can beat up NeoTron's dad`
`17:36.30`	`NeoTron`	`show me the WWS`
`17:36.36`	`Kemayo`	`Do you really think this dress makes me look fat?`
`17:36.46`	`EvilJohn-`	`"you never look fat baby"`
`17:36.49`	`NeoTron`	`that you base this proof on`
`17:36.50`	`EvilJohn-`	`is the correct response`
`17:37.07`	`NeoTron`	`because obviousl you have compared WWS reports with and without immolate and compared the raid shadow DPS too`
`17:37.10`	`NeoTron`	`yes`
`17:37.10`	`NeoTron`	`?`
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`17:37.43`	`Ironhand`	`can someone recommend an addon that will allow me to move the PvP objectives frame and keep it moved? I've tried visor2 but the frame position still seems to reset every time my interface loads...`
`17:37.58`	`chiper`	`fluidframes`
`17:38.34`	`Ironhand`	`ok thx, will have a look at that`
`17:39.19`	`ulic`	`Ironhand: I use Capping, and that does it too.`
`17:39.40`	`ulic`	`but Capping is much more than just frame moving.`
`17:41.11`	`Ironhand`	`thanks for the tip, will have a look at that one as well and see what works best for me`
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`17:46.23`	`Anadale`	`~seen pastamancer`
`17:46.25`	`purl`	`pastamancer is currently on #wowi-lounge (2d 14h 43m 2s) #wowace (2d 14h 43m 2s) #curseforge (2d 14h 43m 2s). Has said a total of 72 messages. Is idling for 19h 11m 52s, last said: 'gross'.`
`17:48.58`	`p3lim`	`say i do this:`
`17:48.59`	`p3lim`	`ChatFrame_AddMessageGroup(ChatFrame1, "PARTY")`
`17:49.07`	`p3lim`	`how would i go for Trade chat?`
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`17:51.48`	`yasuo`	`hi, my WoW is lagging very bad (freeze for 1-3sec) when someone joins(leaves party/raid, i think its about grid, are there workarounds?`
`17:52.17`	`selckin`	`got manabars?`
`17:52.26`	`yasuo`	`ann addon?`
`17:52.40`	`selckin`	`gridmanabars used todo that to me`
`17:52.57`	`Anadale`	`I do not have manabars, but it feezes all the way`
`17:53.29`	`yasuo`	`so i should deactivate showing manabars in grid?`
`17:53.33`	`CIA-9`	`03break19 * r64455 10BlizUF_LMH4/ (. BlizUF.lua BlizUF_LMH4.toc):`
`17:53.33`	`CIA-9`	`BlizUF_LMH4: Initial import - Place LibMobHealth-4.0 text on blizzard unit frames`
`17:53.33`	`CIA-9`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`17:54.12`	`yasuo`	`its very annoying in pvp...`
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`17:59.00`	`Anadale`	`ping zeksie`
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`18:00.16`	`CIA-9`	`03jerry 072.4 * r64456 10Talented/Talented/spell.lua: Talented: (2.4 branch) fix Talented:GetTalentLink()`
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`18:01.41`	`p3lim`	`is there anything diffrent on the LibMobHealth-4.0 API than MobHealth3?`
`18:02.06`	`NeoTron`	`so our DPS warrior that did 569 DPS on kaz'rogal did 1454 DPS on Gorefiend. I guess he probably was wearing tank gear by mistake on Kaz`
`18:02.35`	`pastamancer`	`Anadale: I don't get the svn request emails.`
`18:02.49`	`Anadale`	`:-)`
`18:03.15`	`Anadale`	`who's the chosen one? ;)`
`18:03.20`	`Killmore`	`NeoTron: or your counting is DPS from MC'ing ghost on teron :P`
`18:03.20`	`pastamancer`	`Kaelten`
`18:03.30`	`Anadale`	`ok, tyvm`
`18:03.42`	`pastamancer`	`sometimes he forwards them to me when there's a big backlog`
`18:06.40`	`CIA-9`	`03break19 * r64457 10BlizUF_LMH4/ (. BlizUF_LMH4.toc embeds.xml): BlizUF_LMH4: Fixup Externals`
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`18:08.19`	`NeoTron`	`Killmore: nope`
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`18:10.00`	`Zeksie`	`Anadale: ?`
`18:10.46`	`kenlyric`	`trainerfu really hates it if you have two of the same class`
`18:10.51`	`Saroz`	`NeoTron, your mod will pwn for 2.4, but for now, man, it's a bit confused :p`
`18:10.54`	`Anadale`	`sec`
`18:11.15`	`break19`	`p3lim: not really.. except that lmh4's getunithealth function only needs the unit id passed to it`
`18:11.27`	`NeoTron`	`Saroz: 2.4 will improve it but I wouldn't say "it's a bit confused" today`
`18:11.38`	`NeoTron`	`it works great, especially on complex packs with 6-8 mobs`
`18:11.55`	`pastamancer`	`Anadale: check your email`
`18:12.05`	`Anadale`	`Zeksie: I think that one of the cheks are not in plaze`
`18:12.12`	`Zeksie`	`for?`
`18:12.13`	`NeoTron`	`mainly 2.4 will remove any marking delay and will make manual resets essentially unnecessary`
`18:12.18`	`NeoTron`	`that's the main two features`
`18:12.23`	`Anadale`	`pastamancer: just got notification, loggin in to mailbox`
`18:12.27`	`NeoTron`	`Anadale: clearly you mean checkz`
`18:12.33`	`Saroz`	`NeoTron, would be nice with a mob DB built in -.-, for stuff that could be CCed etc.`
`18:12.38`	`Anadale`	`Zeksie: I was grouped with a rogue`
`18:12.45`	`NeoTron`	`well yes, 2.4 I can add that in too`
`18:12.53`	`Anadale`	`and was without AI`
`18:13.02`	`NeoTron`	`a default is nice but it's also very personal`
`18:13.13`	`Saroz`	`well, a simple CC'able or not would be pwn`
`18:13.14`	`NeoTron`	`it's definitely not universally true how guilds deal with trash`
`18:13.16`	`Saroz`	`sheepable etc.`
`18:13.18`	`Anadale`	`rogue was far away and I was waiting for him to buff AI on group`
`18:13.19`	`NeoTron`	`right`
`18:13.21`	`NeoTron`	`it's planned`
`18:13.34`	`NeoTron`	`but I want/need non-localized keys first`
`18:13.39`	`NeoTron`	`(i.e the mob ID from the guid)`
`18:13.40`	`Zeksie`	`mmm, it shoudln't wait for him. i'll check that later.`
`18:13.42`	`Anadale`	`I don't think that this is a good idea to wait on classes that do not benefit from buff`
`18:13.58`	`Zeksie`	`yeah, agreed, and it should be doing as you want. but it's not apparently`
`18:14.01`	`Anadale`	`kk, ty`
`18:14.28`	`kenlyric`	`me`
`18:14.31`	`kenlyric`	`stupid trainerfu`
`18:14.37`	`kenlyric`	`you have a check for level, USE IT`
`18:15.15`	`Anadale`	`pastamancer: thank you very much!`
`18:16.00`	`Saroz`	`NeoTron, and a "Sheep marks are: moon, skull" would be really nice too, but I mentioned that before`
`18:18.07`	`Gelo`	`Assement is pretty good to be able to see what happen(s\|ed)`
`18:18.11`	`Gelo`	`?`
`18:18.38`	`NeoTron`	`Saroz: what do you mean? The marks are configurable`
`18:18.52`	`NeoTron`	`or do you mean a dump of the current state to chat?`
`18:19.17`	`Saroz`	`ye`
`18:19.29`	`Saroz`	`so people know what to do with them`
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`18:22.34`	`CIA-9`	`03ckknight * r64458 10LibMobHealth-4.0/LibMobHealth-4.0.lua: LibMobHealth-4.0 - make the documentation more sane`
`18:23.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`NeoTron: indeed, I was going to suggest that, too :>`
`18:23.31`	`Gnarfoz`	`NeoTron: MM clears dead targets by now, doesn't it?`
`18:24.02`	`CIA-9`	`03kemayo 07kemayo * r64459 10LibQuixote-2.0/ (4 files):`
`18:24.02`	`CIA-9`	`LibQuixote-2.0: (drycode)`
`18:24.02`	`CIA-9`	`-Fix some irregularities in the 2.0 comms handling of objectives.`
`18:24.02`	`CIA-9`	`-Add a compatibility layer to pick up party quest info from Quixote-1.0.`
`18:27.03`	`NeoTron`	`Gnarfoz: it tries to`
`18:27.07`	`NeoTron`	`it's not perfect`
`18:27.14`	`NeoTron`	`mainly it does on mouse over`
`18:27.34`	`NeoTron`	`I don't think the raid scan thing worked at all when I tried but I haven't checked to see if it's because it didn't work or because I broke it`
`18:27.38`	`NeoTron`	`2.4 will make if work well`
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`18:30.42`	`selckin`	`what mod you guys talking about?`
`18:31.05`	`kergoth`	`magicmarker`
`18:31.06`	`kergoth`	`bah, wtf, my wow is hanging at ui load now`
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`18:39.29`	`doc^blup`	`hm, aloft uses quite a lot cpu time`
`18:40.04`	`NeoTron`	`doc^blup: obligatory question: sure it's aloft and not an embedded library ?`
`18:40.35`	`NeoTron`	`selckin: http://wowace.com/wiki/Magic_Marker`
`18:40.40`	`doc^blup`	`could be, because it's the first and has a lot libs ;)`
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`18:41.24`	`kergoth`	`arg, why does my wow keep freezing at login :(`
`18:41.44`	`genetik`	`is there an addon that's like aloft that only does simple nameplate texturing and resizing?`
`18:42.01`	`kergoth`	`shadowed did one`
`18:42.06`	`Shadowed`	`I DID NOTHING`
`18:42.06`	`kergoth`	`but i dont think its maintained`
`18:42.07`	`Shadowed`	`oh`
`18:42.09`	`kergoth`	`dunno if it even works anymore`
`18:42.10`	`kergoth`	`:P`
`18:42.19`	`Shadowed`	`it doesn't do resizing, but it does do texturing`
`18:42.22`	`Shadowed`	`and it should work fine`
`18:42.36`	`Shadowed`	`I may actually come out with another version, because nev made Ace3GUI not ugly`
`18:43.28`	`Shadowed`	`Just need to sort through the fact that Nameplates a horrible bitch to work with`
`18:43.40`	`Shadowed`	`Quick Xinhuan, i need another one f your uber names!`
`18:43.41`	`Shadowed`	`of*`
`18:44.07`	`genetik`	`Shadowed: what's the name of that addon?`
`18:44.15`	`Shadowed`	`Nameplate Modifier it's on WoWI`
`18:44.31`	`genetik`	`cool.. thanks`
`18:46.04`	`NeoTron`	`Shadowed: if ckknight had written it would have been called SquirrelKitty or something`
`18:46.20`	`Shadowed`	`If I named an addon SquirrelKitty, I'd probably have to kill myself`
`18:46.37`	`kagaro`	`Hello Kitty adventure island`
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`18:47.26`	`kagaro`	`AnyoneButPeach!`
`18:47.37`	`Shadowed`	`Xinhuan came up with Afflicteds name, so maybe he'll do it again! :p`
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`18:50.15`	`Shadowed`	`Fisker-: Welcome to like 3 weeks ago :p`
`18:50.26`	`Fisker-`	`your mother :(`
`18:50.29`	`Shadowed`	`Pretty sure Slouken mentioned it in 2.4 changes`
`18:51.16`	`genetik`	`yeah, i definitely remember reading that somewhere also`
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`19:05.18`	`kergoth`	`ERROR #132 (0x85100084) Fatal Exception`
`19:05.18`	`kergoth`	`Program:C:\Games\WoW\WoW.exe`
`19:05.18`	`kergoth`	`Exception:0xC0000005 (ACCESS_VIOLATION) at 0023:04BA6124`
`19:05.19`	`kergoth`	`argh`
`19:06.08`	`\|Pixel\|`	`neato`
`19:06.23`	`kenlyric`	`did you use recount?`
`19:06.27`	`kenlyric`	`I hear recount crashes realms`
`19:07.13`	`chexsum_`	`cool`
`19:07.46`	`exor\|gone`	`lol... my WoW loves toSegfault sometimes haha :(`
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`19:08.40`	`NeoTron`	`exor\|gone: it's not a segfault.. it's... FATAL EXCEPTION ACCESS VIOLATION`
`19:08.44`	`NeoTron`	`big difference there`
`19:09.23`	`exor\|gone`	`lol, means like, the exact same thing basicly :P "this program went and peed on protected memory" :P`
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`19:10.43`	`Shadowed`	`kergoth: How'd you manage to do that?`
`19:11.36`	`pastamancer`	`skills!`
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`19:12.05`	`NeoTron`	`exor\|gone: I wasn't quite being serious... just fyi :)`
`19:12.28`	`exor\|gone`	`NeoTron: given I said "peed", can you think I thought you were serious? :P`
`19:12.45`	`NeoTron`	`totally`
`19:13.03`	`NeoTron`	`better stop now before chaos ensues`
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`19:17.35`	`Shadowed`	`pTags is oTaghs`
`19:17.37`	`Shadowed`	`oTags`
`19:17.43`	`Shadowed`	`and oTags is something haste did but sucks`
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`19:57.45`	`james\`	`lo! getting some nasty freezes atm in wow, really low fps, etc. - only in raids`
`19:58.03`	`james\`	`any standalone mods to check on cpu usage ?`
`19:58.38`	`Gngsk`	`turn on cpu profiling?`
`19:59.16`	`james\`	`what is cpu profiling ? is it a base feature?`
`19:59.29`	`Gngsk`	`yah`
`19:59.36`	`Gngsk`	`if you have performance fu you can use that to turn it on`
`19:59.51`	`Diao`	`it'll make you lag even more`
`19:59.56`	`Diao`	`but it'll help you find the source`
`19:59.57`	`Diao`	`:P`
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`20:01.25`	`Antiarc`	`http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080312093451AA0XK8B`
`20:01.30`	`Stanzilla`	`oh emm geh`
`20:03.19`	`nevcairiel`	`rofl`
`20:05.02`	`Grum`	`just answer: OMG STAKE THE BITCH`
`20:05.06`	`Grum`	`she is breeding a vampire!`
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`20:08.16`	`CIA-9`	`RaidMarshal:`
`20:08.16`	`CIA-9`	`- Version 1.0 merge from development branch`
`20:09.57`	`chiper`	`Antiarc: ahaha, the replys are priceless`
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`20:11.29`	`CIA-9`	`03zeksie * r64466 10ZOMGBuffs/ (4 files in 4 dirs):`
`20:11.30`	`CIA-9`	`ZOMGBuffs`
`20:11.30`	`CIA-9`	`- Fixed a problem when someone had loaded the ZOMGBlessingsPP module from the modules.xml setup, which was tricking other users of ZOMGBuffs to think they were a PallyPower user.`
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`20:14.56`	`Saroz`	`NeoTron, can you make it ALT+CTRL+mouseover?`
`20:16.14`	`Zeksie`	`doubt it, unless that's a triggerable config via the secure api`
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`20:17.02`	`Zeksie`	`i only look into the template code when i really have to, cos i hate it ;)`
`20:17.38`	`Zeksie`	`and ignore that, cos i thought you were talking to me.. so pretend i said nothing`
`20:17.53`	`Zeksie`	`back to raid!`
`20:20.46`	`Dashkal`	`Zeksie: for when you return. I tried to get a guildie running ZOMBBuffs last night. Downloaded from curse and managed to get a strange issue: the minimap button failed to appear (he didn't have fubar) and /zomg did nothing. Known issue? I suspect an out of date embedded lib somewhere but I'm just checking if this has been seen before.`
`20:21.21`	`Zeksie`	`saw it on a guildie earlier, got him to update his other ace stuff and it worked again`
`20:22.33`	`Zeksie`	`the one on curse won't be updated so often either, and may have a couple of missing externals till i update it again later`
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`20:28.00`	`NelsonM`	`does anyone know Punkie, the author of pDebuffList aka Demon?`
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`20:28.51`	`[Ammo]`	`NelsonM: I do, he my guildmate`
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`20:29.37`	`NeoTron`	`it's a handy little addon`
`20:29.38`	`NelsonM`	`oh, Ammo, you're credited in the list. Is he still working on Demon? It has some bugs and am trying to track down the status`
`20:29.41`	`NeoTron`	`just wish I could scale the windo`
`20:29.41`	`NelsonM`	`I rely on it heavily`
`20:29.56`	`[Ammo]`	`I dunno`
`20:30.02`	`[Ammo]`	`he's been away IRL for 2 weeks`
`20:30.13`	`NelsonM`	`he hasn't posted on the forum in several months, that's why I was asking`
`20:30.44`	`NelsonM`	`the main bug is that Improved Faerie Fire isn't showing up`
`20:31.07`	`NelsonM`	`I think it broke in 2.3.2, about the same time that I stopped seeing other druids' auras in ag_uf. I'm guessing something changed about how other buffs/debuffs are reported?`
`20:31.14`	`NeoTron`	`WTB a better WWS`
`20:31.23`	`NelsonM`	`WTB: threat data in WWS.`
`20:31.56`	`NeoTron`	`I love how you LEAVE the report list firefox pops up a warning about the script using too much time (and it does indeed hang when trying to leave the page)`
`20:32.07`	`[Ammo]`	`NelsonM: I dunno`
`20:32.08`	`NeoTron`	`I mean i'm leaving the page, why the heck does it do procesing then?`
`20:32.12`	`[Ammo]`	`I still use pdebufflist`
`20:32.18`	`[Ammo]`	`because I never agreed to the bloat in Demon`
`20:32.21`	`NelsonM`	`ahahaha`
`20:32.24`	`NelsonM`	`is it working for you?`
`20:32.30`	`[Ammo]`	`pdebufflist works fine still`
`20:32.38`	`[Ammo]`	`I told him demon sucked cock`
`20:32.39`	`NelsonM`	`maybe I'll switch back.`
`20:32.42`	`[Ammo]`	`and he doesn't agree :)`
`20:32.44`	`[Ammo]`	`but shrug`
`20:32.56`	`NeoTron`	`waht is bloaty in demon?`
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`20:33.13`	`NeoTron`	`I mean how can it be bloat if all it does is to scan current target for buffs?`
`20:33.35`	`[Ammo]`	`the fact that it has a fubar plugin :p`
`20:33.40`	`[Ammo]`	`and all sorts of config drek`
`20:34.02`	`NelsonM`	`is there a web browsable SVN somewhere for wowace?`
`20:34.19`	`NeoTron`	`ah`
`20:34.25`	`NeoTron`	`so the stuff that makes it nice, got it ;-)`
`20:34.36`	`NelsonM`	`I forget, does pDebuffList report the total # of debuffs, or was that a Demon feature?`
`20:34.45`	`[Ammo]`	`pdebuff does`
`20:35.41`	`NeoTron`	`frankly looknig at the demon code it doesn't seem very bloaty`
`20:36.26`	`NelsonM`	`ammo, if you think of it ask Punkie to answer my question in the pDebuffList threat on the wowace forums`
`20:36.44`	`NelsonM`	`it's a great addon, but before I bust heads in my raid about debuffs I want to be sure it's working :-)`
`20:37.01`	`[Ammo]`	`I will`
`20:37.09`	`NelsonM`	`thanks!`
`20:37.16`	`[Ammo]`	`pdebufflist works 100% for me`
`20:37.29`	`NelsonM`	`do you have a moonkin with improved faerie fire? that's the one thing I know isn't working`
`20:37.40`	`NelsonM`	`I'm not confident it's handling talented Demoralizing Shout right, either`
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`20:39.03`	`Kypp`	`when do addons moved to trunk get packaged and show up on wowaceupdater or files.wowace.com?`
`20:39.12`	`[Ammo]`	`sorry ROS`
`20:39.23`	`Kypp`	`i just reached 1.0 on my addon i've been developing in /branches and moved it to trunk`
`20:39.29`	`Kypp`	`now i'm wondering what next...`
`20:39.42`	`kergoth`	`Kypp: it's every 20 minutes or so, iirc`
`20:39.55`	`Kypp`	`thanks kergoth`
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`20:42.04`	`Elsia`	`heya`
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`20:58.50`	`genetik`	`so who was it that was working on that WWS replacement?`
`20:58.50`	`genetik`	`heh`
`20:59.16`	`Diao`	`nobody yet`
`21:02.20`	`Yssaril`	`they discontinuing WWS come next patch?`
`21:02.28`	`Gngsk`	`don't think so`
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`21:03.10`	`CIA-9`	`TourGuide: 03tekkub 07master * r109a48bb0c 10TourGuide/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Netherstorm tweaks`
`21:03.18`	`CIA-9`	`TourGuide: 03tekkub 07master * rbf3c5909f6 10TourGuide/TourGuide.toc: Remove default to disabled, why did I put this in in the first place?`
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`21:05.19`	`keiss`	`Tekkub: thanks for TourGuide btw`
`21:05.25`	`Tekkub`	`:P`
`21:06.22`	`NeoTron`	`WWS is not being discontinued. it just works as well as KTM. some people hoping that someoen writes a WWS that works as well as Omen ;-)`
`21:06.43`	`Antiarc`	`cough`
`21:06.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol`
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`21:07.08`	`CIA-9`	`TourGuide: 03tekkub 07master * r4fd2d8206e 10TourGuide/TourGuide_Alliance/37_38_Dustwallow_Marsh.lua: Ally dustwallow tweaks`
`21:07.09`	`NelsonM`	`hey, could Omen inject threat data into the combat log for wws to report on?`
`21:07.09`	`Lukian`	`haha sounds about right NeoTron`
`21:07.11`	`genetik`	`well, the problem i have with WWS is that, compounded with the upcoming changes, WWS just isn't usable sometimes with the "priority" queues`
`21:07.13`	`Antiarc`	`No`
`21:07.20`	`Antiarc`	`You can't affect what gets written to the combat log, I believe`
`21:07.27`	`NelsonM`	`some mod I have is rewriting the strings in my log`
`21:07.35`	`NelsonM`	`recount's disambiguating people's names, I think`
`21:07.44`	`Antiarc`	`That's only the displayed log, not the written one`
`21:07.51`	`NelsonM`	`no, it's in the .txt file too`
`21:07.54`	`Antiarc`	`o.0`
`21:08.05`	`NelsonM`	`The strings show up "Antiarc 's Fireball crits for 543 damage"`
`21:08.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`the log in 2.4 is changing anyway and you wont be able to do that`
`21:08.08`	`NelsonM`	`note the space before the '`
`21:08.11`	`NelsonM`	`ah ok`
`21:08.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`and that only effects how its displayed not whats displayed`
`21:08.56`	`genetik`	`sw_stats_logfix was what did that before, wasn't it?`
`21:09.10`	`NelsonM`	`oh yeah, maybe it's sw`
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`21:10.12`	`genetik`	`i guarantee that it is if you have that part of it loaded`
`21:10.21`	`NelsonM`	`I remember being surprised WWS didn't barf on that .txt format`
`21:10.33`	`NelsonM`	`anyway, if you can't do it in 2.4 then it's not really relevant`
`21:11.13`	`NeoTron`	`currently WWS has a 15-minute wait time for prioritized accounts`
`21:11.28`	`genetik`	`yeah.. that's a bunch of crap right there`
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`21:12.22`	`NelsonM`	`I got an error in their java app server earlier; the code had some check "if queueSize > 1000 then barf". it barfed.`
`21:13.02`	`Antiarc`	`I think what it boils down to is that someone needs to invite a timewarp bubble I can sit in for 2 weeks, code a new WWS, and then pop out of without losing any time`
`21:13.21`	`Yssaril`	`lol they really should make the user parse the messages instead of having the server parse everything`
`21:13.37`	`NelsonM`	`the user does do a lot of the parsing`
`21:13.38`	`NeoTron`	`Antiarc: you and me both`
`21:13.45`	`Yssaril`	`Antiarc: did you ever manage that minimapicon?`
`21:13.49`	`pastamancer`	`Antiarc: let's do the timewarp again`
`21:13.50`	`NeoTron`	`the amount of data you could get from months of combat logs is amazing`
`21:14.05`	`Antiarc`	`I didn't get the minimap icon, no`
`21:14.09`	`NeoTron`	`WWS doesn't have any report-to-report comparisions or stats`
`21:14.11`	`Antiarc`	`I got a lot of other stuff done though`
`21:14.28`	`Yssaril`	`Antiarc: what exactly do you want it to do (am kinda bored atm)`
`21:14.32`	`NelsonM`	`neotron; the guild view is sorted by raid dps on a boss, that's about it`
`21:14.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`WWS does the parsing on the server so that logs get updated as they update the parsers`
`21:15.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`but they still havent gotten parsing for the multi boss fights in BT correct`
`21:15.25`	`Antiarc`	`Yssaril: Everything WWS does, except better and to offer some awesome new stuff too!`
`21:15.41`	`genetik`	`TPS calculation plx ;)`
`21:15.42`	`pastamancer`	`it should make me waffles too`
`21:15.47`	`Yssaril`	`Antiarc: lol was talking about the MMicon :P jsut a button to open the config?`
`21:16.01`	`Antiarc`	`Oh. At a minimum, toggle Omen on/off and open the config, yes`
`21:16.13`	`Antiarc`	`TPS calculation I would -love- to do, but it would be a bitch due to a few factors.`
`21:16.41`	`Yssaril`	`Antiarc: how about rightclick for option left click toggle`
`21:16.49`	`Groktar`	`tps calc on gurtogg! wheee`
`21:16.51`	`Antiarc`	`That's about what it'd be doing`
`21:16.53`	`aestil`	`Antiarc: i have just the thing for you, are you familiar with donnie darko?`
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`21:17.04`	`Antiarc`	`I am familiar with it. I have not seen it. >_>`
`21:17.07`	`Antiarc`	`dodges thrown things`
`21:17.24`	`aestil`	`its ok, its not as bad as not having read ender's game, or the other bunch of crap.`
`21:17.29`	`Yssaril`	`Antiarc: let me see what i can come up with`
`21:17.31`	`Antiarc`	`You saw my queue, dude`
`21:17.34`	`aestil`	`but basically, i can hook you up with a time warp.`
`21:17.36`	`genetik`	`Antiarc: yea.. mainly range detection`
`21:17.37`	`aestil`	`i know.`
`21:17.39`	`Antiarc`	`I have a bazillion things to see/read/etc`
`21:18.00`	`aestil`	`in this time warp, you'll have 28 days, 6 hours and some minutes and seconds`
`21:18.14`	`Antiarc`	`That would be enough for me to write a WWS replacement`
`21:18.21`	`aestil`	`and then you'll have to be killed by a jet engine which fell of a plane that doesn't exist`
`21:18.24`	`aestil`	`its a trade off.`
`21:18.26`	`pastamancer`	`and then a jet engine will come crashing through the roo... yeah`
`21:18.33`	`Antiarc`	`Hrm. Not sure I like that idea.`
`21:18.43`	`aestil`	`well, the option is there.`
`21:23.44`	`Yssaril`	`Antiarc: whats the command to toggle omen?`
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`21:23.53`	`CIA-9`	`TourGuide: 03tekkub 07master * r684fa49945 10TourGuide/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Shadowmoon tweaks`
`21:24.09`	`Antiarc`	`Uh, I don't think I have it in yet :P`
`21:24.15`	`Antiarc`	`For reals though, I just want a button with callbacks.`
`21:24.20`	`Antiarc`	`So I can implement 'em`
`21:24.24`	`aestil`	`btw, i got over your not having read certain things. no danger from thrown objects.`
`21:24.35`	`Yssaril`	`Antiarc: what u mean a button with callbacks?`
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`21:25.16`	`NelsonM`	`did this analysis of the threat of bash and feral charge make it into threatlib? http://teethandclaws.blogspot.com/2008/03/bash-and-feral-charge-threat.html`
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`21:25.48`	`Antiarc`	`I want to be able to say "create a button, give it this tooltip, give it this icon, and here are the functions for handling left and right clicks"`
`21:26.07`	`CIA-9`	`03cinedelle * r64467 10SmoothDurability/ (SmoothDurability.toc locales/frFR.lua):`
`21:26.07`	`CIA-9`	`SmoothDurability :`
`21:26.07`	`CIA-9`	`- Add french local file, updating toc`
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`21:26.20`	`aestil`	`what is the ps3 patch that just came out?`
`21:26.26`	`NeoTron`	`Antiarc: did you check out the libfubarplugin-3.0 thing? or not viable/working?`
`21:26.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`Antiarc: have you looked in the libfubarplugin-3.0 branches`
`21:26.34`	`Antiarc`	`Wait, there is one? I didn't see it.`
`21:26.35`	`Yssaril`	`Antiarc: ahh`
`21:26.36`	`Antiarc`	`I will look!`
`21:26.41`	`Antiarc`	`Oooh, I looked in trunk`
`21:26.43`	`Antiarc`	`I'll check it out`
`21:26.50`	`Antiarc`	`Is it llibstubbed?`
`21:26.51`	`NeoTron`	`it's in a branch yes`
`21:26.54`	`NeoTron`	`yeah I think so`
`21:27.13`	`Yssaril`	`there you go solved yoru problem Antiarc :P`
`21:27.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`Antiarc: yes, and i suggest making it default to minimap since theres no builtin config stuff yet for moving it around`
`21:27.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`Antiarc: if using it with ace3 that is`
`21:27.42`	`NeoTron`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`21:28.23`	`NeoTron`	`out of curiosity what does it default to?`
`21:28.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont know i didnt change it`
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`21:34.10`	`Myth024`	`hmm... nope.. looks more like... yup.. I'm pretty sure is .lua code`
`21:34.35`	`Myth024`	`might have been a self.register:Superman... but not sure`
`21:35.42`	`cncfanatics`	`weak jokes today :)`
`21:37.08`	`break19`	`vxtimer = vx:AddTimer(vx:ResetScroll(),5) if this line is called multiple times, will it replace the timer I create, or will it create additional timers?`
`21:37.39`	`cncfanatics`	`anyone knows how I can calculate if prospecting is viable on my server ?`
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`21:39.01`	`NeoTron`	`calculate the average price of a sold gem`
`21:39.07`	`NeoTron`	`and compare to the cost of ore`
`21:39.22`	`NeoTron`	`and the adv prospecting percentage...`
`21:39.32`	`NeoTron`	`which I think is like 18% chance for a blue`
`21:40.13`	`Myth024`	`doesn't the auctioneer advanced suite already do that?`
`21:40.29`	`NeoTron`	`don't see how it really could`
`21:40.42`	`NeoTron`	`well I guess you could sort of estimate it but I dunno`
`21:41.17`	`Myth024`	`scans the AH to get pricing, then records your success at prospecting and calculates the difference between the cost of ore and cost of gems as well as calculating the success and failure of your actual prospecting`
`21:41.58`	`cncfanatics`	`20g prospect value on adamant`
`21:42.00`	`cncfanatics`	`and it costs 23g BO`
`21:42.02`	`cncfanatics`	`fail :(`
`21:42.03`	`Xinhuan`	`according to my data of 160k ore prospected, you have a 22.6% chance of getting a blue out of adamantite ore`
`21:42.05`	`NeoTron`	`23g?`
`21:42.08`	`NeoTron`	`that's helluva cheap`
`21:42.09`	`Xinhuan`	`spread evenly across all 6 rares`
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`21:42.20`	`NeoTron`	`cut gems cost more than uncut gems`
`21:42.25`	`cncfanatics`	`true too`
`21:42.30`	`cncfanatics`	`but I lack patterns`
`21:42.31`	`NeoTron`	`Xinhuan: 22.6% chance is very high`
`21:42.33`	`cncfanatics`	`gonna farm some primals`
`21:42.34`	`NeoTron`	`for an average`
`21:42.37`	`cncfanatics`	`for pattern cash`
`21:42.39`	`Xinhuan`	`it used to be 24%`
`21:42.42`	`cncfanatics`	`and then rob the AH`
`21:42.46`	`NeoTron`	`cncfanatics: I pay 24=28g for ore I prospect`
`21:42.47`	`Myth024`	`Rofl.. I do that like everyday`
`21:43.04`	`NeoTron`	`Xinhuan: mine is listed around 3% per gem`
`21:43.14`	`NeoTron`	`maybe it's missing some decimals`
`21:43.28`	`Xinhuan`	`your data probably isn't large enough`
`21:43.35`	`Xinhuan`	`160k ore is --> 32k prospects`
`21:43.36`	`NeoTron`	`but purely mathematically after each ore I sit between 17-23%`
`21:43.54`	`Myth024`	`I've seen add-ons that notify you that you have aggro.. anyone know where I can find a small piece of code snippit or a library I can use to find out when my toon gets aggro`
`21:44.16`	`break19`	`any experienced coder wanna help me figure out how to get my addon to execute a function only once within a specified timeframe?`
`21:44.19`	`NeoTron`	`Xinhuan: I've done a lot of prospecing. maybe not that much but sure enough to get a pattern`
`21:44.34`	`NeoTron`	`and an average of 22.6% is definitely way about what I have ever seen`
`21:44.44`	`NeoTron`	`but .. it's random numbers`
`21:44.52`	`pastamancer`	`Myth024: http://fish.wowace.com/browse/WowAce/trunk/LibBanzai-2.0/LibBanzai-2.0.lua?r=63814`
`21:45.08`	`NeoTron`	`even with 160k you migh hav ebetter than average results`
`21:45.22`	`Xinhuan`	`unlikely`
`21:45.37`	`Xinhuan`	`160k is large enough to be considered randomly distributed`
`21:45.50`	`Xinhuan`	`by central limit theorem`
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`21:46.16`	`Myth024`	`hmmm... scratches head yea, I got that one... sigh maybe I'm too clueless.....`
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`21:47.15`	`pastamancer`	`Myth024: http://fish.wowace.com/browse/WowAce/trunk/Grid/GridStatusAggro.lua?r=59810 that's some code using LibBanzai`
`21:47.16`	`break19`	`http://ace.pastey.net/83811 this is my code... it covers my screen with a spam of text that is only supposed to occur once.... and I need some help figuring out what to do to fix it..`
`21:47.54`	`pastamancer`	`Myth024: you register a callback function with the library and your function gets called when someone gains or loses aggro`
`21:48.07`	`Xinhuan`	`if scroll = 1 then`
`21:48.09`	`Xinhuan`	`if scroll == 1 then`
`21:48.15`	`Xinhuan`	`line 97`
`21:48.38`	`Xinhuan`	`now kill yourself :)`
`21:48.42`	`break19`	`Xinhuan: well thanks.. but thats just a drycode typo :p`
`21:48.56`	`Xinhuan`	`so why are u pastign drycode?`
`21:49.18`	`break19`	`because I changed it while trying to wrap my head around my problem :p`
`21:49.52`	`Xinhuan`	`btw line 65 and 66 are wrong too`
`21:50.05`	`Xinhuan`	`u unregister "PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED" etc`
`21:50.07`	`Xinhuan`	`not the function`
`21:50.13`	`NivFreak`	`damnit, my MSDN lapsed`
`21:50.18`	`NivFreak`	`no vista SP1 for me`
`21:50.44`	`Myth024`	`thx pastamancer`
`21:50.46`	`Yssaril`	`NivFreak: you dont need an msdn account for SP1`
`21:50.49`	`erzy`	`im guessing this is impossible, but if you don't ask you'll never know: Is it possible to make grid show 8 groups if I'm in AV, and and 5 groups if I'm somewhere else just show 5 groups. And always the same size of the frame`
`21:50.54`	`erzy`	`?`
`21:50.54`	`NeoTron`	`Xinhuan: so my data is for 81600 ore`
`21:50.58`	`break19`	`woops, thanks`
`21:51.05`	`Xinhuan`	`what is your %`
`21:51.18`	`pastamancer`	`erzy: no`
`21:51.24`	`erzy`	`thought so`
`21:51.27`	`NeoTron`	`and as it turns out the average % is actually 22.5%. however I did notice that a lot of them are <4% so I wodner if the UI truncates`
`21:51.30`	`Myth024`	`I will have to say that as much as I understand exactly what it is you told me.. I'm still very "green" at all of this .lua programming in general, so thx for your patience.`
`21:51.33`	`Hracken`	`you have an addon that can calculate the price for ore based on prospecting n such?`
`21:51.43`	`Xinhuan`	`doesn't your UI list them to 1 decimal place?`
`21:51.54`	`NeoTron`	`% per blue is from 3.36% to 4.2%`
`21:52.07`	`NeoTron`	`that alone shows that even with 4080 prospects there's significant variance`
`21:52.12`	`pastamancer`	`Myth024: check out the wiki page for libbanzai-2.0 also`
`21:52.27`	`Xinhuan`	`u know, i think is is SAFE to assume that they all have the same %`
`21:52.31`	`NeoTron`	`guess which gem is the most common?`
`21:52.36`	`Myth024`	`facepalm yea, now why didn't I think of that lol`
`21:52.38`	`Xinhuan`	`blizz doesn't really have any reason not to make them not the same`
`21:52.48`	`NeoTron`	`http://www.wowdb.com/item.aspx?id=23437`
`21:53.01`	`Xinhuan`	`that said, i'll show my %`
`21:53.04`	`NeoTron`	`174 talasites`
`21:53.32`	`Xinhuan`	`living ruby 3.9%, topaz 3.9% dawnstone 3.8, talasite 3.7%, elune 3.5% nightseye 3.5%`
`21:53.39`	`NeoTron`	`least common is dawnstone at 137`
`21:53.49`	`Xinhuan`	`22.3%`
`21:53.51`	`NeoTron`	`see I have significantly higher variance`
`21:54.04`	`Xinhuan`	`your higher variance is probably due to a smaller data set`
`21:54.11`	`Xinhuan`	`say you combine your data with my data`
`21:54.17`	`Xinhuan`	`it'll converge`
`21:54.24`	`NivFreak`	`Yssaril: ?`
`21:54.37`	`NeoTron`	`still we have a rather insane dataset`
`21:54.43`	`NivFreak`	`it's not released yet is it?`
`21:54.52`	`Xinhuan`	`33446 prospects btw`
`21:54.53`	`NeoTron`	`even 0.4% difference is a lot more LR (lucky SoB) than the otehrs`
`21:54.57`	`Yssaril`	`NivFreak: Vista SP1 RC was releast for public testing`
`21:55.05`	`NivFreak`	`it's RTM now`
`21:55.27`	`Yssaril`	`ah`
`21:55.29`	`Xinhuan`	`i think 0.4% variance is acceptable`
`21:55.39`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> 0.4/3.9`
`21:55.39`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: 0.1025641025641`
`21:55.47`	`Hracken`	`what addon are you using to show your prospecting %s?`
`21:55.48`	`Stanzilla`	`^RTM is public, too`
`21:55.53`	`Myth024`	`bet you could find it on the newsgroups somewhere (sp1 for vista)`
`21:55.58`	`Xinhuan`	`if the avg is at 3.6-3.7%, then we have plus-minus 5%`
`21:56.02`	`NivFreak`	`Stanzilla: not released yet afaik`
`21:56.03`	`Xinhuan`	`and it passes a hypothesis test`
`21:56.07`	`NivFreak`	`aside from MSDN/Technet`
`21:56.07`	`Xinhuan`	`of 5% alpha`
`21:56.23`	`Stanzilla`	`NivFreak: meh...dunno if that reghack still works. I was a beta tester so I got it thru connect`
`21:56.46`	`Stanzilla`	`I can give you the reg hack if you want`
`21:57.03`	`Xinhuan`	`i think statistics is fairly reliable here`
`21:57.08`	`Myth024`	`Thanks for your help pasta I think I have enough now to make my brain hurt for a while. :)`
`21:57.10`	`Xinhuan`	`and 95% window is decent data`
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`22:00.01`	`NeoTron`	`Hracken: I use Enchantrix for it`
`22:00.09`	`Hracken`	`thx`
`22:00.37`	`NeoTron`	`and if you prospect a lot, get Prospector, kergoth's addon`
`22:00.37`	`break19`	`Xinhuan: wow.. you mean I had the right idea with my fix? other than a typo and bad event unregister function.. :)`
`22:00.51`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm not sure what u are trying to do`
`22:01.39`	`CIA-9`	`03break19 * r64468 10EnvenomX/core.lua: EnvenomX: Finally fixed the excess spam!`
`22:01.44`	`break19`	`that.. :)`
`22:02.22`	`Xinhuan`	`your CountPoisons can be made metter`
`22:02.38`	`Xinhuan`	`break from the loop on name == nil`
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`22:06.05`	`break19`	`Xinhuan: ok, thanks`
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`22:08.34`	`NeoTron`	`my first version of mark syncing in Magic Marker had a nice loop going`
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`22:08.47`	`NeoTron`	`where a network msg triggered a response that triggered a message etc`
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`22:09.10`	`Yssaril`	`infinite loop using addon msges nice :)`
`22:09.18`	`Nefarion`	`if anyone here's been on the ptr: can we still query enemy talent info or was it patched?`
`22:09.27`	`Xinhuan`	`patched`
`22:09.32`	`Nefarion`	`hmm`
`22:09.40`	`doc^blup`	`you can fully inspect everyone on ptr and later live`
`22:09.48`	`Yssaril`	`Nefarion: also reduced to inspect range now i belive`
`22:10.09`	`NeoTron`	`it's ok if the target is not attackable, blocked otherwise yes/`
`22:10.24`	`Xinhuan`	`also break19`
`22:10.34`	`Xinhuan`	`u should check if the target is hostile first`
`22:10.37`	`Nefarion`	`how would i go about extracting mass amounts of data from the armory?`
`22:10.47`	`NeoTron`	`write a crawler`
`22:10.48`	`Xinhuan`	`and that you have a target`
`22:10.54`	`NeoTron`	`and crawl?`
`22:10.56`	`Nefarion`	`never written anything outside of Lua in wow`
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`22:11.09`	`NeoTron`	`then have fun learning :P`
`22:11.21`	`Nefarion`	`if there's no other way, i'm interested in making a universal database of player specs by battlegroup`
`22:11.38`	`Nefarion`	`since we can't query that data for enemies anymore`
`22:12.07`	`Yssaril`	`Nefarion: that be one huge DB :P`
`22:12.17`	`Nefarion`	`i'd save it just by tree count`
`22:12.36`	`Nefarion`	`00/42/19`
`22:13.13`	`Yssaril`	`still big :)`
`22:13.18`	`Nefarion`	`probably lol`
`22:14.00`	`doc^blup`	`people respec all the time for arena`
`22:14.12`	`Nefarion`	`i figured it'd be updated weekly`
`22:14.16`	`Nefarion`	`better than nothing`
`22:14.24`	`Nefarion`	`probably a larger project than i imagine =(`
`22:14.26`	`Polarina`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=36551 -- Me wants.`
`22:14.27`	`doc^blup`	`not worth it I think`
`22:14.56`	`Nefarion`	`wtf`
`22:15.01`	`Nefarion`	`where'd you find that, Polarina?`
`22:15.22`	`Polarina`	`Nefarion: Wowhead`
`22:15.32`	`Nefarion`	`obviously. just came by it?`
`22:15.36`	`NeoTron`	`Nefarion: I thought something like that already existed`
`22:15.45`	`Nefarion`	`it does?`
`22:15.49`	`aestil`	`can someone help me with a link to a page that explains how to remux files so they play properly on my ps3? apparently its usually a audio codec issue if the ps3 won't play an xvid or divx or whatever`
`22:15.58`	`NeoTron`	`I don't know for sure but it sounds familiar`
`22:16.11`	`NeoTron`	`arguments abotu rock having talent sharing vs some addon with data`
`22:16.18`	`NeoTron`	`prefer you could just inspect the talents`
`22:16.23`	`Xinhuan`	`well whoever was doing the updates stopped updating it`
`22:16.48`	`NeoTron`	`make sense since it was redundant`
`22:17.18`	`Nefarion`	`Polarina: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=5581 =)`
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`22:20.31`	`Polarina`	`Nefarion: 7000g!`
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`22:23.46`	`CIA-9`	`03adirelle * r64469 10MinimapTarget/MinimapTarget.lua: MinimapTarget: kergoth failed at drycoding. ;)`
`22:25.23`	`break19`	`Xinhuan: earlier, about checking for name and breaking the loop: this should do it, right? if not name then return 0 end`
`22:25.38`	`break19`	`Xinhuan: earlier, about checking for name and breaking the loop: this should do it, right? if not name then return 0 end`
`22:25.43`	`break19`	`oops`
`22:26.21`	`NeoTron`	`s there what is MinimapTarget?`
`22:26.31`	`NeoTron`	`s/s there //`
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`22:28.19`	`Yssaril`	`break19: return will return you out of a function to break a for loop you have to use 'break' which will stop the loop and continue on in your function`
`22:28.28`	`break19`	`k`
`22:31.09`	`Xinhuan`	`ya`
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`22:39.30`	`xyu`	`whoa`
`22:39.31`	`xyu`	`i'm not leader`
`22:39.33`	`xyu`	`and i can mark`
`22:39.34`	`xyu`	`in this SV`
`22:39.37`	`xyu`	`weiiirddd`
`22:40.14`	`nevcairiel`	`i had that too`
`22:40.16`	`nevcairiel`	`when i had leader before`
`22:40.19`	`nevcairiel`	`and gave it away`
`22:40.21`	`nevcairiel`	`or something`
`22:40.33`	`keiss`	`Xparky in trunk is broken ?`
`22:42.34`	`durcyn`	`63122 is the latest functional revision.`
`22:42.45`	`keiss`	`thank you`
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`22:42.51`	`durcyn`	`wobin hates branches, or something`
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`22:43.14`	`durcyn`	`WobWork: Do you hate branches?`
`22:43.24`	`Kypp`	`do wowace wiki pages get automatically generated for addons submitted to trunk?`
`22:43.40`	`durcyn`	`some toc metadata is automatically populated`
`22:45.00`	`Kypp`	`when i look at the wiki pages such as`
`22:45.01`	`Kypp`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Category:Guild_Addons`
`22:45.09`	`Kypp`	`they appear to be dynamically generated...`
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`22:46.03`	`Kypp`	`i've just released an addon to trunk, now i want to create its wiki page for documentation... where/how do i proceed?`
`22:47.25`	`Groktar`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/SomeNewAddon`
`22:47.29`	`Groktar`	`edit the page`
`22:47.30`	`Groktar`	`:_`
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`22:48.31`	`NeoTron`	`xyu: so you have.. assist?`
`22:48.38`	`xyu`	`in SV?`
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`22:48.41`	`ulic`	`Kypp: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/TOC_Metadata for some of the autogenerated some stuff.`
`22:48.42`	`xyu`	`steamvault`
`22:48.48`	`NeoTron`	`I dunno`
`22:48.52`	`xyu`	`it's a party, i wasn't aware you could give assists ^^`
`22:48.59`	`NeoTron`	`I sure haven't added non-leader marking in MM yet though`
`22:49.16`	`xyu`	`yeah i think something was screwy`
`22:49.21`	`xyu`	`like if someone did a readycheck`
`22:49.26`	`xyu`	`i would automatically come back afk`
`22:49.28`	`xyu`	`instantly`
`22:49.36`	`ulic`	`yea, you can't assign leaders in partys, to my knowledge`
`22:49.40`	`NeoTron`	`haxorz`
`22:50.00`	`NeoTron`	`so if I add a non-leader marking function in MM`
`22:50.15`	`NeoTron`	`should I have a whitelist for non-leaders that the addon will honor?`
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`22:51.01`	`xyu`	`quick question while you're here then NeoTron, if i have a mob that is part of a 4 group pull normally, and i set this type of mob to crowd control, high priority, sheep, sap.`
`22:51.08`	`ulic`	`I use an addon called MarkMyWords to let non-leaders mark stuff in party's, not saying you should or shouldn't add it to MM.`
`22:51.09`	`xyu`	`but in another pull, there are only 2 of these same mobs for the pull`
`22:51.16`	`xyu`	`is there a way to get it to not assign both to a CC mark?`
`22:51.16`	`genetik`	`aaaand WWS is completely dead`
`22:51.27`	`xyu`	`1 obviously needs to be tanked :)`
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`22:51.44`	`NeoTron`	`xyu: currently not`
`22:51.48`	`xyu`	`oki`
`22:51.50`	`NeoTron`	`one issue: I don't know pulls`
`22:52.02`	`NeoTron`	`what I plan to do however is to add a "max to CC" option`
`22:52.07`	`xyu`	`jut making sure i was setting the crowd control / tank settings right.`
`22:52.16`	`NeoTron`	`with debug msgs on it would tell you`
`22:52.25`	`NeoTron`	`in 2.4 I might add a sweep and mark system`
`22:52.34`	`NeoTron`	`where you sweep, release, and then mark them`
`22:52.56`	`NeoTron`	`that way it would know there's only 2 mobs andoone should be tanked (since it works on a finite quanityt of mobs)`
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`22:53.07`	`xyu`	`right`
`22:53.14`	`xyu`	`that's a pretty good idea`
`22:53.50`	`xyu`	`so far i have BT, kara, and most 5 mans mob databased.`
`22:53.58`	`xyu`	`I need to get into SSC / tk but we don't do those anymore`
`22:54.00`	`NeoTron`	`more than I have :P`
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`22:54.14`	`xyu`	`oh, got ZA too`
`22:54.14`	`NeoTron`	`I might have you give me data once 2.4 is out.. and you've rebuilt the database`
`22:54.23`	`xyu`	`sure`
`22:54.25`	`NeoTron`	`in 2.4 it'll change name => mob ID`
`22:54.30`	`xyu`	`yea`
`22:54.34`	`NeoTron`	`but needs to scan ...`
`22:54.36`	`NeoTron`	`unless`
`22:54.48`	`NeoTron`	`I make a dump of all mob names / id's from wowhead or something`
`22:55.22`	`xyu`	`do they have those already?`
`22:55.44`	`xyu`	`id's for mobs`
`22:56.43`	`JeffSheets`	`ckknight, LibRockConfig Rocks.`
`22:56.52`	`xyu`	`hmm i just noticed my bugsack has 1157 errors`
`22:57.23`	`NeoTron`	`well yes`
`22:57.29`	`xyu`	`something to do w/ ace3 and MM`
`22:57.40`	`ckknight`	`JeffSheets: glad you like it`
`22:57.46`	`NeoTron`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=22917 <-- 22917 = illidan`
`22:57.54`	`NeoTron`	`xyu: hmm`
`22:58.04`	`NeoTron`	`from the sounds of it you're in a weird state?`
`22:58.13`	`NeoTron`	`like the afk but not, can mark but not leader?`
`22:58.43`	`xyu`	`ah maybe`
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`22:59.34`	`xyu`	`http://wowace.pastey.net/83817`
`22:59.38`	`xyu`	`this is the current error`
`22:59.55`	`xyu`	`but probably has to do w/ that whole marking thing, i have no idea.`
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`23:01.24`	`NeoTron`	`hmm`
`23:01.29`	`NeoTron`	`have you opened the configu UI yet?`
`23:01.40`	`xyu`	`./mm ?`
`23:01.59`	`NeoTron`	`yeah`
`23:02.18`	`NeoTron`	`it fails when I try to call AceConfigRegistry:NotifyChange`
`23:02.22`	`xyu`	`yeah. every time i click on a instance database i get an error`
`23:02.41`	`xyu`	`but it's working it seems`
`23:02.47`	`xyu`	`just making bug sack go up and up and up :D`
`23:02.54`	`NeoTron`	`odd`
`23:03.07`	`NeoTron`	`it's failing in Ace3`
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`23:05.48`	`nevcairiel`	`fixed :p`
`23:05.50`	`CIA-9`	`03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r64470 10Ace3/Ace3.lua: Ace3 - prevent a nil error in Ace3 standalone`
`23:06.10`	`nevcairiel`	`what do you need :NotifyChange for anyway?`
`23:06.22`	`Kypp`	`Groktar, thank you!`
`23:06.36`	`Matrix110\|`	`clearfont2 taints my raidwindow and makes it not work! :-(`
`23:06.48`	`NeoTron`	`nevcairiel: for when the config changes`
`23:06.53`	`Kirkburn`	`ClearFont2 tells you that in the changelog and readme!`
`23:07.07`	`nevcairiel`	`NeoTron: i know what its for, i was more wondering why you need to call it`
`23:07.10`	`Matrix110\|`	`oh it does? :P`
`23:07.15`	`NeoTron`	`I think we discussed it before but I didn't like how the configu for just a couple of instances used 3.5x as much memory as the rest of the addon`
`23:07.20`	`NeoTron`	`so I build it dynamicall`
`23:07.41`	`NeoTron`	`I also call it when you get data from the network`
`23:07.51`	`NeoTron`	`mobdata - since that affects configuration`
`23:08.06`	`nevcairiel`	`oh, right, you use outside data in there`
`23:08.08`	`nevcairiel`	`makes sense`
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`23:08.38`	`NeoTron`	`I can imagine a database like xyu's would use several MB for no good reason :)`
`23:08.56`	`NeoTron`	`I guess I didn't see that particular problem because I don't run the standalone ace3 addon`
`23:09.15`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah was a rather silly bug`
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`23:10.03`	`zwiRbeL`	`hello guys, i got a problem with the addon "DispelReporter". Can anybody help me?`
`23:10.10`	`Diao`	`what is it`
`23:10.41`	`NeoTron`	`and I suspect that is why someone said /ace3 no longer worked but /mm did`
`23:11.07`	`Matrix110\|`	`thanks Kirkburn :D`
`23:11.20`	`zwiRbeL`	`my problem is, that the addon is definately activated and the /commands work, but there is no chat messages`
`23:11.57`	`NeoTron`	`as I am unfamiliar with the addon I'm afaid I can't help you`
`23:12.06`	`zwiRbeL`	`i changed my client from ger to eng. still no success`
`23:12.29`	`Diao`	`i don't think anyone has a reference`
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`23:12.56`	`Ordog`	`has somebody an idea if wowjutsu is bugged or the aresenal?`
`23:13.08`	`Ordog`	`armory`
`23:13.14`	`Orionshock`	`zwiRbeL: did u try deleting your SV file?`
`23:13.23`	`zwiRbeL`	`i'm wondering why this (Ace-2 Addon) isn't published by files.wowace`
`23:13.43`	`Kirkburn`	`Matrix110\|, :)`
`23:13.53`	`Diao`	`if they don't ask for svn access it won't get published`
`23:16.39`	`CIA-9`	`03zeksie * r64471 10ZOMGBuffs/ZOMGBuffs_Blessings/ZOMGBuffs_Blessings.lua: ZOMGBuffs: Fixed typo on template validation..`
`23:17.02`	`zwiRbeL`	`is there anyone else having problems with the addon "DispelReporter" ?`
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`23:24.14`	`NeoTron`	`zwiRbeL: to clarify Ace2 is a framework. wowace.com promotes the framework and provides developer services`
`23:24.35`	`NeoTron`	`however ace2 addon doesn't mean it is developed with wowace resources and published there.. just means it uses the framework`
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`23:26.12`	`Orionshock`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:26.14`	`Anadale`	`ping zeksie`
`23:26.31`	`testify`	`Is SharedMedia-2.0 backwards compatible with the addons that used version 1?`
`23:26.52`	`NeoTron`	`the fact that it is -2.0 would indicate that it is not`
`23:27.06`	`testify`	`is that what it indicates?`
`23:27.08`	`Stanzilla`	`if you mean LibSharedMedia-2.0 then no`
`23:27.22`	`testify`	`Stanzilla: That's what I meant, thanks.`
`23:27.30`	`Stanzilla`	`np`
`23:28.55`	`Dashkal`	`Zeksie: (after reading back) thanks. bout what I expected. I'll pester him to update.`
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`23:32.51`	`break19`	`Orionshock: i wish more people knew that: case in point: 2 addons that perform exact same function, one works, uses no framework at all, pure wow api codes etc.. the other uses [ace[2,3],rock] yet doesnt exactly work like it should.. why do -more- people seem to want to use the one THAT DONT WORK@##@$@ and then flood irc and the forums with "why wont this addon work?"`
`23:32.57`	`xyu`	`blizz background downloader ....this mean patch inc soon?!!? :D`
`23:33.06`	`break19`	`drives me nuts`
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`23:33.18`	`break19`	`xyu: prolly a couple weeks away still`
`23:33.23`	`Orionshock`	`break19: WAU`
`23:33.28`	`testify`	`I've noticed that both EBB and Recount both use LibSharedMedia 3.0. How does one use the statusbar textures from SharedMedia-2.0 with LibSharedMedia-3.0? Or is it even possible at this point?`
`23:34.05`	`Orionshock`	`testify: your implying that the author(s) of said addons are the same, case in point they are not`
`23:34.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`dont use SharedMedia-2.0, use SharedMedia`
`23:34.14`	`Orionshock`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:34.15`	`break19`	`xyu: just means they've prolly finalized the major stuff, and are now in feature-freeze mode where bugs are ironed out before release.. the data may change little if at all during this time`
`23:34.34`	`xyu`	`yep`
`23:34.45`	`xyu`	`I'm pretty much as ready as i can be for 2.4 though.`
`23:35.01`	`Orionshock`	`ug.. 2.3`
`23:35.02`	`NeoTron`	`I want it soon`
`23:35.03`	`xyu`	`i need 1 piece of T6 before then. hoping this week prooves fruitful`
`23:35.03`	`Orionshock`	`ug.. 2.4`
`23:35.05`	`testify`	`Arrowmaster: Last time I came in I was told to use SharedMedia-2.0 with LibSharedMedia-2.0. Was that wrong?`
`23:35.10`	`Orionshock`	`... have to update my addon`
`23:35.14`	`Orionshock`	`-.-^`
`23:35.15`	`break19`	`Orionshock: with all the non-ace specific updaters out there, who in the hell still uses the 1-site only updaters??`
`23:35.16`	`xyu`	`haha`
`23:35.17`	`Orionshock`	`don't want to`
`23:35.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`its changed since then`
`23:35.18`	`NeoTron`	`xyu: I need the fricking skull to drop!`
`23:35.21`	`xyu`	`lazy bum get to it!`
`23:35.29`	`NeoTron`	`break19: wau works`
`23:35.37`	`NeoTron`	`one cross-site updater I tried dint'`
`23:35.42`	`Orionshock`	`break19: ... how many of them work as perfectly as WAU?`
`23:35.45`	`Orionshock`	`come on...`
`23:35.48`	`break19`	`so does jwu.. so does wuu.. please.`
`23:36.05`	`testify`	`Arrowmaster: Yeah I see SharedMedia-2.0 isn't even on the site anymore`
`23:36.05`	`NeoTron`	`so when I last tried alternatives didn't work or needed configuration on a per-addon basis to set up the source`
`23:36.06`	`Orionshock`	`WUU is the only other one, and it's IMO bitchie and complicated`
`23:36.09`	`break19`	`not to mention wowi has an updater now..`
`23:36.13`	`NeoTron`	`and kept getting ace addons from wowi etc`
`23:36.25`	`break19`	`Orionshock: both the ones I just mentioned work.. where wau does NOT work for me`
`23:36.47`	`break19`	`mswindows, i spit on thee`
`23:37.05`	`NeoTron`	`~jwu`
`23:37.06`	`purl`	`JWowUpdater is a java based tool for updating your World of Warcraft addons. http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=5917`
`23:37.15`	`Orionshock`	`break19: your IQ is prolly higher than 130, where as the VAST MAJORITY of USERS is not...`
`23:37.16`	`break19`	`<3 jwu`
`23:37.31`	`break19`	`Orionshock: actually. you'd be wrong.. close, but wrong..`
`23:37.38`	`Orionshock`	`so you configuring WUU or JWU, is easy, but is simply too complicated for others`
`23:37.41`	`break19`	`last I checked, I was at 126`
`23:37.54`	`break19`	`I've known bricks smarter than me :(`
`23:38.00`	`Orionshock`	`mine is at ~140+ it sucks tbh`
`23:38.17`	`break19`	`my friggin -car- is smarter than me`
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`23:38.36`	`break19`	`and its a '95 Isuzu for cryin out loud.`
`23:39.26`	`testify`	`Arrowmaster: Fixed my problem, works perfectly. Thanks`
`23:41.17`	`break19`	`well, at least I still have control of my 70s.. my wife logged in last night to find her 3 70s were missing-in-action..`
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`23:43.12`	`break19`	`i ran a rootkit check, and a keylogger scan on her mac last night.. clean as a whistle (of course)`
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`23:45.04`	`doc^blup`	`someone most likely knew her pw`
`23:45.52`	`NeoTron`	`break19: jwu looks pretty nice`
`23:45.52`	`chiper`	`well thats obvious`
`23:46.10`	`NeoTron`	`especially like how it can handle library removal (and non-ace stuff)`
`23:47.25`	`chiper`	`oh, jwu can do library dependancy checks? would be nice to remove unneeded libraries`
`23:48.41`	`NeoTron`	`yep`
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`23:49.57`	`haste`	`Shadowed: ptags was based on evl's nameplate add-on afik`
`23:50.07`	`Shadowed`	`oh`
`23:50.14`	`Shadowed`	`I just assume anything with a single letter is based off yours`
`23:50.24`	`evl`	`mine works?`
`23:50.26`	`evl`	`golly`
`23:51.40`	`NeoTron`	`what I don't see is an ability to edit installed addons (uninstall) and add new wowace addons`
`23:51.57`	`evl`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`23:52.42`	`dylanm`	`NeoTron: In JWU? There are buttons for those tasks along the left side of the window if I remember correctly.`
`23:53.00`	`NeoTron`	`indeed`
`23:53.02`	`NeoTron`	`I just missed it`
`23:53.15`	`break19`	`NeoTron: yea. to remove addons, click "Delete Addon" I know it can be a bit unintuitive... -smirk-`
`23:53.52`	`CIA-9`	`03kergoth * r64472 10MinimapTarget/MinimapTarget.lua: MinimapTarget: Fix the fix of my drycode.`
`23:54.09`	`break19`	`duck`
`23:54.44`	`Kulldam`	`Quick LUA question if anyone can help: I'm trying to make a programmatic call to a function based off it's string name (similar to the "get" and "set" values used in the AceOptions table). Simply making a call to MyTable.FunctionName(args) gives an error "attempt to field (string value)". I hope this isn't an obvious answer, but it's stumped me for a while now. Any advice anyone?`
`23:55.24`	`Orionshock`	`t["funcName"](args)`
`23:55.43`	`break19`	`Kulldam: its ugly tho.. lets try some lateral thinking.. exactly what are you attempting?`
`23:56.03`	`JeffSheets`	`maybe t[t.funcName](args)`
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`23:56.24`	`Kulldam`	`That's even simpler than I thought =/ Thanks folks`
`23:56.26`	`break19`	`doc^blup: no one knew my wife's password that we are aware of.. hell even I didn't know it...`
`23:56.27`	`jag111`	`aelo`
`23:57.01`	`azraelo`	`Question about the WAU - i have been doing WITH externals to keep my addons directory cleaner, but now I use so many addons my game takes too long to load`
`23:57.11`	`azraelo`	`there an easy way to swap from WITH to WITHOUT externals?`
`23:57.12`	`break19`	`doc^blup: and after she found her chars missing, she immediately changed pw's again.. and told me the old one.. no way in hell anyone would've simply guessed it.`
`23:57.24`	`Orionshock`	`azraelo: update with out externals, then "Reinstall All Addons"`
`23:57.41`	`azraelo`	`oh, reinstall deletes, then reinstalls`
`23:57.54`	`Orionshock`	`aye`
`23:57.54`	`azraelo`	`so it'd get rid of those libraries underneath addons`
`23:57.58`	`azraelo`	`gotcha`
`23:57.58`	`azraelo`	`thanks`
`23:58.08`	`azraelo`	`i'll try it now and come back when my game's broken ;)`
`23:58.12`	`break19`	`lol`
`23:59.13`	`azraelo`	`ahhhh 256 folders`
`23:59.14`	`azraelo`	`in \Addons`
`23:59.21`	`break19`	`heh`
`23:59.24`	`Zeksie`	`Anadale: still need me?`
`23:59.42`	`azraelo`	`i was wondering why my game was taking 2 hours to load`
`23:59.43`	`azraelo`	`lol`
`23:59.49`	`azraelo`	`well here goes nothin'`

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