IRC log for #wowace on 20080310

00:01.08Zeksieanyone able to help me out with some SVN access? Put in request some 10 days ago now. :(
00:01.49NeoTronp3lim: yes
00:01.57NeoTronit's not quite the same now but similar
00:02.05ChaudI ate your request.
00:02.16p3limnice
00:02.28Xinhuanconverting to svn too Zeksie? ;p
00:02.34p3limdoes it like take over wasd controls?
00:02.45Zeksieyeah... can't fight the crowd forever ;)
00:03.13Xinhuanslightly surprised you haven't done it earlie
00:03.15Xinhuan+r
00:03.16Zeksiegot a neato buff mod for the masses, and new version of grim reaper that's standalone for 2.4.
00:03.26Zeksiemight even drop X-Perl on there... not decided
00:04.07Chaudpeople will <3 the standalone grim reaper
00:04.12Zeksieyeah. initially i wasn't aware you could restrict access to portions of it. hadn't looked too deeply into it. but i know better now
00:04.12ChaudI see requests for that all the time =\
00:04.40Xinhuangrim reaper is merely a by-product of listening for UNIT_HEALTH
00:04.43Zeksieyeah chaud, u can mousewheel scrollback as far as combat log goes, and it'll show actual combat log lines on mouseover, and you can drop it into combat log... all the goodies
00:04.54Zeksiesee above
00:05.02Zeksieyes. old one was simple, but handy
00:05.14ChaudI guess, never used it =\
00:05.23ChaudJust see people request it often
00:05.32NeoTronyou click in the game and it grabs the keyboard
00:05.35Zeksieyeah. main reason for removing it from x-perl
00:06.04Xinhuani have my own little unreleased tool for combat log deaths ;p
00:06.08Zeksie:)
00:06.17Xinhuanit'll break on 2.4 anyway
00:06.42Zeksiepaladins will love the buff mod tho. got auto generated buff assignments, with definable sub-classes for those awkward ppl in raids.
00:07.15Zeksieour guild palas never had it so easy. 99% of time, 1 click and it's all setup
00:08.54FtH|Daemonasounds like a pallypower killer
00:08.56FtH|Daemona:)
00:09.01vhaarrZeksie: Excuse me, I joined late, what mod is this?
00:09.15Xinhuanits a sub module of xperl, vhaarr
00:09.17vhaarrah, it's not released yet?
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00:09.18FtH|Daemonaa "buffmod" that sets up itself
00:09.24vhaarrokay
00:09.27vhaarrthat sucks
00:09.32ZeksieZOMGBuffs.. will be released as soon as i get svn access
00:09.38FtH|Daemonavhaarr ;)
00:09.39vhaarrmaybe I'll write a standalone one instead
00:09.43Zeksiehas modules for paladins, group buffs, self buffs etc.
00:09.55Zeksieand yeah, it'll talk to pally power ppl too
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00:10.02vhaarrwhy in the name of hell would you make that a module for xperl?
00:10.07Zeksieit's not..
00:10.09vhaarrI can't possibly imagine what that "framework" would give you
00:10.11Zeksieit's it's own mod
00:10.12vhaarrthat's what Xinhuan said
00:10.16vhaarrXinhuan: stop lying!
00:10.17Zeksiehe was wrong?
00:10.17Xinhuani thought you meant grim reaper
00:10.18CryectXinhuan is pulling your chain
00:10.24Xinhuannot the buff one
00:10.29vhaarrright
00:10.36Zeksiebuff one is ace2, fresh mod
00:10.39vhaarrthen I retract my "that sucks" comment
00:10.42vhaarr^^
00:10.50Zeksienew grim is too
00:11.11Zeksiealthough there's not a lot of ace in grim, mostly just the options
00:12.33XinhuanAntiarc
00:13.48Zeksiethe old xperl "framework" as you say, won't change a lot cos i really can't be assed to re-do the thing.. it's a monster and i'm too old!
00:14.13vhaarrI was just really confused why someone would want to make a buff mod as a module for a unit frame addon
00:14.17vhaarrnothing else
00:14.28Zeksieyeah.. why would you do that.
00:14.31Xinhuando it bit by bit, and use ace3 ;)
00:14.57Zeksiethat's the snag tho.. if i redid it.. i'd be compelled to just start over and do it 'right'.
00:15.04Zeksieand i just don't have hte time for htat
00:15.18FtH|Daemonabtw. anyone seen elsia this weekend or if the recount leak towards ace was closed?
00:15.42Xinhuanactually it doesn't take that long
00:15.51ZeksieXin, they giving you any more input into combat log? or is that out of your hands now?
00:16.08Xinhuanantiarc was supposed to do that part and send me an email but he never did
00:16.20Zeksieahhah.
00:17.31Zeksiemostly little things really, like getting the float part of timestamps added, delocalising things (which you know), erm... the unit token stuff put in bla bla
00:17.41CIA-903piranther * r64088 10PiraPlex/PiraPlex.lua: PiraPlex :- Save title-space on the GUI by omitting the version #. Version # can still be viewed through the main tooltip.
00:18.05Zeksiehad my own version which did all that, but can't use it atm :|
00:18.34Xinhuani'm not even sure if they intended to use the unit token thing
00:19.18Zeksieoh.. i thought it was handy.. more for raiders. but still handy
00:21.26Zeksieanyway. it's late here. afk till morning.. nite
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00:34.15CIA-903archarodim * r64089 10Decursive/Decursive.lua:
00:34.15CIA-9Decursive:
00:34.15CIA-9- Change some other global Dcr object calls to local calls.
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01:07.55CIA-903cryect 072.4 * r64090 10Recount2/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
01:07.55CIA-9Recount2:
01:07.55CIA-9-Cursor changes on edges of windows now to let you know you can resize here and how you can resize
01:28.40chiperis wowhead dead?  it's been offline for most of this week
01:29.25selckinbeen working perfect all week
01:29.30Chaudworking fine here
01:29.37Chaudused it all week
01:30.43ulicyep me too
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01:36.02CIA-9AckisRecipeList:
01:36.02CIA-9-Arnod netherstorm -> SMV
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01:41.04FtH|Daemonachiper tried a "ping wowhead.com" or "tracert wowhead.com" from the command prompt yet?
01:42.37chiperoh I can connect
01:42.50chiperbut it's been showing the offline page for several days
01:42.59Chaud"offline page"?
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01:44.55chiperhmm, now it's working
01:44.56chiperodd
01:49.11RaydenUnioh man
01:49.22RaydenUniguild is trying to do the first two ZA bosses timed without me :(
01:49.33RaydenUnido them for the first time i should say
01:50.40CryectThey hate you!
01:51.42decaprimeI can't seem to check if a table is empty or not, i've tried table.getn(t) and #t >0 and that doesn't seem to work
01:52.24Cryectgetn won't work
01:52.33Cryectsince thats depreciated
01:52.56Cryectand #t will only work if it has entries in counting order from 1..n
01:53.12decaprimeoh
01:53.13decaprimewell
01:53.24decaprimehow would one determine if a dictionary is empty
01:53.47WobWorkfor i,v in pairs(t)
01:53.51decaprime=(
01:53.59decaprimeI knew you were going to say that
01:53.59Cryectyeah Lua is kinda sucky in that regards
01:54.04decaprimedamn
01:54.21CryectI wish they would look at python and learn some stuff and then apply some of that stuff in Lua
01:54.41decaprimemaybe I should have asked this before I spent the last hour writing one- but is there a variable watch/debug output
01:54.44CryectI like that Lua is really readable but its kinda lacking in the working with dictionaries
01:54.50Cryectno
01:54.55Cryectthose debug commands are disabled
01:55.07decaprimeIE like you can say- look at these variables/tables, then as they change you can see their values
01:55.10Cryectwell I assume you are talking in reference I should say to wow
01:55.11WobWorkCryect: everything but the indenting =P
01:55.13decaprimeyes
01:55.39CryectIf you create a good metatable type addon that does that upload it ^_^
01:55.39decaprimeoutput into chat frame or gui- mines just a little chatframe with |cffabusethehelloutame all over the place
01:55.42WobWorkhm, I wonder what the interest would be in that sort of addon
01:55.54Arrowmasterdecaprime: next(t)
01:56.12decaprimeI've been looking into meta tables and i've considered writing one after i'm done with this loot system addon
01:56.24decaprimebut this is just hacked together for my own benefit
01:56.29decaprimeoh... arrow- let me see
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01:57.13Arrowmasterlua> next({})
01:57.14lua_botArrowmaster: nil
01:57.23Arrowmasterlua> next({[true]=true})
01:57.23lua_botArrowmaster: true, true
01:57.39decaprimeworks like a charm
01:57.50decaprimeI just have if(next(v)) then
01:57.56Cryectnext({[nil]=nil})
01:57.59Cryectlua> next({[nil]=nil})
01:57.59lua_botCryect: luabot:1: table index is nil
01:58.00Cryect:-p
01:58.06Arrowmasterlol
01:58.13decaprimerofl
01:58.21Arrowmasterway to break it
01:58.38CryectWasn't sure if that would actually break it since I set it to nil as well
01:58.39Arrowmasterlua> next({[true]=nil})
01:58.40lua_botArrowmaster: nil
01:58.42Cryectwhich means it shouldn'tbe in there
01:58.59decaprimei'm fairly surprised at how much progress i've made in about 2 days at this addon
01:59.36decaprimeI went back and forth between ace or non-ace but after I went through the welcomehome tutorial i've just been able to keep building it =)
01:59.40Arrowmasterif your table has a metatable then you probably wont be able to use next()
01:59.55decaprimeNo, that table was a table in a table in a metatable =)
02:01.38decaprimeI'm going to need to clean this thing up and do localization, but i've also thought to use a string table and then use those strings as the keys for the localization =/
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02:02.00decaprimeright now its all ... "rules and stuff here blahbalbhalbhablh" filler text =)
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02:07.40p3limchiper: clean your temp files etc
02:18.55zaplpixelmania: 64x64 randomly changing at >=0.2s http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5742/wowscrnshot031008031600he6.jpg
02:19.22Chaudbut what is it good for =\
02:19.34zaplnothing :D
02:19.44Chaudwhy are you only getting 13 FPS =\
02:20.34zaplonupdate setting 4096 vertexcolors
02:21.05Chaudoh yeah, the whole pixel thing...
02:22.17zapli will think of something usefull later :) the demoscene does such useless stuff all the time ;)
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02:22.48Yssarilzapl add some colors
02:23.00Megalonzapl: game of life
02:23.10Xinhuanheh
02:23.21Yssarilbw is kinda boring
02:23.30zapltry to make plasmaflames for now
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02:30.34CIA-903grayhoof * r64092 10Proximo2/ (Proximo.lua class.lua frame.lua options.lua):
02:30.34CIA-9Proximo2:
02:30.34CIA-9- Fixed texture typos
02:30.34CIA-9- Lots of minor code tweaks, mainly around profile access
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02:39.27CIA-903kemayo 07kemayo * r64093 10BetterQuestTracker/modules/autotrack.lua: BetterQuestTracker: Fix autotracking of nearby quests.
02:39.45CIA-903kemayo 07kemayo * r64094 10BetterQuestTracker/modules/autotrack.lua: BetterQuestTracker:...and remove debug print
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02:57.14zaplnot perfect but looks nice http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7228/wowscrnshot031008035604nh4.jpg
02:59.39vhaarrso lua is the new asm, eh? I wonder if there'll be a separate category for "Ace" demos
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03:04.30ckknightzapl: I wish Blizz would let us draw on textures
03:04.33ckknight:-P
03:05.02zaplhrhr, that would have been the easy way
03:05.05ckknightbut that's complex to do and out of the scope Blizz wants, likely
03:05.27Chaudneed integrated web browser and IM/IRC client. =(
03:05.32vhaarrckknight: have you seen these new AceEvent errors that have appeared?
03:05.34vhaarrexamples:
03:05.35vhaarr[2008/03/09 23:35:11-1855-x1]: KC_Items-1.0.38138\modules\KC_Fence\Fence_AutoFill.lua:171: AceEvent-2.0: Cannot trigger event "AceEvent_EventRegistered". "run"'s handler, "true", is not a method or function (boolean).<in C code>: ?AceEvent-2.0-63812 (AtlasLoot):302: in function `TriggerEvent'AceEvent-2.0-63812 (AtlasLoot):917: in function <...\AddOns\AtlasLoot\Libs\AceEvent-2.0\AceEvent-2.0.lua:910>
03:05.45vhaarr[2008/03/09 15:25:27-1855-x1]: AceEvent-2.0: Cannot trigger event "UNIT_AURA". "run"'s handler, "true", is not a method or function (boolean).:<in C code>: in function `error'AtlasLoot-AtlasLoot Enhanced v4.03.01\Libs\AceLibrary\AceLibrary.lua:122: in function `error'AceEvent-2.0-63812 (AtlasLoot):305: in function `TriggerEvent'AceEvent-2.0-63812 (AtlasLoot):917: in function <...\AddOns\AtlasLoot\Libs\AceEvent-2.0\AceEvent-2.0.lua:910>
03:06.03vhaarrit seems to be associated with seemingly random events
03:06.20vhaarrcan't find a way to reproduce it either
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03:07.32vhaarr:RegisterEvent asserts that it is given a function or string
03:07.38vhaarrso how a boolean handler appeared there, I have no idea
03:08.18ckknightgnomes.
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03:10.31Nandinii've had it come up with any number of different addons
03:10.39Nandiniseemingly randomly
03:11.11ckknightclearly, a gnome was in the vacinity
03:11.17ckknightin all honesty, though, I have no idea why that'd happen
03:20.03MentalPowerzapl: whats that for?
03:21.19zaplmore or less just for fun. but could be a way to kind of draw dynamic / animated textures
03:21.28Cryectckknight, I would settle for nonaxis aligned frames :-p
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03:30.49CIA-903sayclub * r64096 10LibDogTag-3.0/Localization/zhCN.lua:
03:30.49CIA-9LibDogTag-3.0 :
03:30.49CIA-9- zhCN typo fix
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03:35.15ckknightCryect: how do you mean?
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03:44.43CIA-9LibBabble-Inventory-3.0 :
03:44.43CIA-9- Update locale koKR
03:46.16zaplsource: http://ace.pastey.net/83577 screen:http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8329/wowscrnshot031008044344rv0.jpg  need some sleep now :( go play around with it and make cool demos :D
03:49.58Kheperdoes anyone here use Pitbull
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03:50.30ckknightKheper: yea?
03:50.56Kheperhow can i update it to the next version without resetting all of my settings?
03:51.03ckknightit should update fine
03:51.12ckknightI don't think I did anything that'd make you lose your settings
03:51.23Kheperoh u make pitbull?
03:51.27Khepermade*
03:51.44ckknightyea
03:52.15Kheperin that case, how does the MT unitframe work? does pitbull have it incorporated
03:52.40ckknightwell, if you don't have oRA or CTRA, then it will use Blizzard's Main tank designations
03:52.40RaydenUniso druids don't get benefits of "on equip" for their weapons?
03:52.44Kheperand can u send me a link to your latest update for Pitbull and Fullbar?
03:53.07ckknightif one of those two addons are detected, it will use the main tanks designated by those addons
03:53.10RaydenUnior is it only "on hit?"
03:53.13ckknightKheper: it's on files.wowace.com
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03:54.22Kheperdoes Pitbull work better with oRA or CTRA or does it not make a difference
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03:55.41CIA-903neotron * r64098 10MagicMarker/MagicMarker.toc: MagicMarker: X-Embeds fix
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03:58.11ckknightKheper: no difference
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04:01.17Orionshockmorning all
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04:11.45Kheperwuts the castbar icon that shows the adjustment for latency?
04:11.59Kheperaddon i mean
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04:17.08vithosQuartz is a popular one, Kheper
04:17.55Kheperkool thanx
04:18.16vithosProximo2 is showing stuff like "Warlock (Protection)" "Mage (Restoration)" etc :(
04:18.35vithosi guess that's better than just showing the wrong numbers though
04:21.08Kheperanyone got an opinion on the best cooldown and dot timers?
04:22.08Kheperi've been using the Ash ones so far
04:22.37CryectRaydenUni: its only on hit that druids don't get advantage of
04:22.54RaydenUniok
04:23.01RaydenUnithanks for the delayed response
04:23.05Cryectbecause druids would be so "overpowered" if they had that
04:23.08RaydenUniKheper i like classtimer
04:23.19RaydenUnifor cooldowns i use Hourglass
04:24.27NandiniCryect: at least we get weapon dmg from sharpening/weightstones in 2.4 :)
04:24.44Nandinino more stupid Elemental Sharpening Stones for me!
04:25.07Cryecthehe
04:25.32Nandini+12 weapon dmg on our 55dps paws is a huge upgrade i think
04:26.01Cryectyeah +wpn dmg is huge for druids
04:26.13CryectDo we get +dmg from weapon enchants?
04:26.27Nandinino, i don't believe we do
04:26.29CryectI think its the same effect
04:26.41Nandinii haven't tried on the ptr yet tho
04:26.54Nandinii can't imagine they'd be better than 35 agi anyways
04:27.23CryectYeah they didn't add any new +dmg ones in TBC did they
04:27.54Nandinii think all the +dmg enchants are low level ones, yeah
04:28.45Cryectso +9 is the best and thats equiv to 135 ap which is better than 35 agi
04:29.04Nandiniyeah that's like 1.8x better than 35 agi, wow
04:29.18Nandinimaybe worth testing :)
04:29.24Cryectyeah
04:29.42Cryectand besides so much cheaper :-p
04:29.44Nandinianyone have an enchanter on a US ptr? :)
04:29.46Cryect4LBS and 10 Illusion dust
04:30.39Nandiniactually i could do it with any weapon on a level 1 druid, it should show up on the char sheet
04:31.19Nandiniwe have to be quiet about this tho or other melee dps will scream "NERF"
04:31.22Cryectand only need like minor striking
04:31.23kenlyricWuss is the best mod ever
04:31.35CIA-903damjau * r64099 10Whats/ (Whats.lua Whats.toc WhatsItemInfo.lua):
04:31.35CIA-9Whats : 0.48
04:31.35CIA-9- fix some bugs, miss typos
04:31.35CIA-9- fix incorrect item data
04:31.55Nandinii personally think we should be able to disease our paws or something
04:32.15Nandinisince there's only one player castable disease in the game, and only by one race of one class
04:32.25Nandiniall those disease dispells are going to waste in pvp!
04:32.51CryectThere is gift of arthas :-p
04:32.53Nandinithat could be the feral druid MS :)
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04:33.14Nandinigift of arthas doesn't work in arena tho does it?
04:33.24Cryectno its a potion
04:33.36Cryecter elixir apparently now
04:33.59CryectI guess that was so people would stop using them :-p
04:35.22Nandinii think i may choose this as my guardian elixir for tanking instead of useless 550 armor, i never thought about using this before
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04:36.12Diaorofl
04:36.13Diaowow
04:36.16Diaoi was MTing kara today
04:36.20Diaoand first on dps >.>
04:36.24Diaoon aran
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04:38.05Khepernice
04:38.23Khepereither you're incredible or your group wasnt that great
04:41.17kenlyricalways vote for #2 in these stories
04:41.39kenlyricprobably the only melee in the room....
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04:43.54WobWorkwho needs an MT in aran?
04:44.56KheperRaydenUni: Classtimer works for dots right?
04:45.23RaydenUniyes
04:45.26RaydenUnii use it for my shadow priest
04:46.12Kheperk i got a lock, if it works for u then it works for me
04:46.40Gngskclasstimer won't shot any bars if you don't have a target/focus
04:46.49Gngskwhich, isn't so good for a warlock
04:47.26Kheperso it'll only show bars for current target?
04:48.16ZealotOnAStickI still use DoTimer.
04:48.37ZealotOnAStickCoding mess and bloated thing that it is . . . I strip it down to Ash_Core and Ash_Dotimer and just use that.
04:49.00ZealotOnASticknothing else I've found/tried matches it for functionality and usefulness.
04:54.35RaydenUniKheper for player, target, focus
04:54.42RaydenUniand maybe target's target but i don't use that
04:55.17RaydenUni<Diao> i was MTing kara today
04:55.18RaydenUni<Diao> and first on dps >.>
04:55.18RaydenUni<Diao> on aran
04:55.22Gngskfocus/player/target/sticky whatever sticky is, it's not supposed to work perfectly
04:55.22RaydenUnii could see this for a feral druid maybe
05:02.46KheperDoTimer hasnt been updated for 2.3 i think
05:02.52Kheperthats why im looking for something else
05:03.03Kheperi dont know if it makes much of a difference, but still
05:03.33Gngskoooh, I see what sticky is
05:03.40Gngskit keeps the timer going if you untarget the mob
05:04.02Gngskman, I've been using classtimer for almost a year and never realized that, pretty nub
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05:21.27Diaomy group was pretty good today
05:21.30Diaonot as good as usual
05:21.33Diaotook us 3 hrs to clear :(
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05:27.02Diaohttp://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/17918
05:27.03Diaooh shit!
05:27.05Diaosc2 zerg trailer
05:27.08Diaojust released in korea
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05:39.25NeoTronZealotOnAStick: I fully agree
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06:22.31Olison:D
06:23.25SnagoThe background image at gamevideos.com is made of fail
06:23.46SnagoThe video was cool though :)
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06:45.58syerenHmm, in Windows how do I make it show the extension of the file?
06:46.13syerenI just have a file named Existence-Light, and I don't know what type of file it is :(
06:46.21syeren(For MyMedia purposes).
06:46.26basslingoright click - > properties
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06:46.31Grumlol
06:46.32basslingoshould tell ya ther
06:46.34basslingo:P
06:46.54syerenWhat extension is a Type 1 Font File?
06:46.54Grumdont use windows if you are not smart enough! =D
06:46.55syerenttf?
06:47.35syerenttf is a truetype font infact >_>
06:48.19Grumin windows: open explorer, tools, folder options, view, halfway in the list: [ ] Hide extentions for known file types, [ ] Hide protected operating system files
06:49.02Grumand remember, extensions say nothing about the file, it only gives an indication :)
06:49.18Ellipsisof course even if you uncheck the hide extensions box, windows still hides certain "special" ones
06:49.47syerenPerfect, it's PFM file.
06:51.50syerenThank you for your help Grum, I'm ashamed about the fact that I didn't know such an option existed :(
06:52.16Grumyes, go into /windows/fonts and it will still hide the shit out of stuff
06:52.19Grumits pathetic
06:52.20basslingosyeren:   .font    :P
06:52.35basslingoor PFM depending
06:52.46basslingooh  nvm you got it ^^
06:52.48Grumalso the inability to make all types of folders from explorer.exe ... kek....
06:53.01Grumyou can make .svn folders from cmd.exe .. but not from explorer.exe
06:53.12basslingoyup
06:53.13Grumits crai
06:53.17basslingomkdir ftw
06:53.39syerenHmm, the damn file isn't loading :<
06:53.46EllipsisGrum: that doesn't count, fonts is a special folder :P
06:53.52Grumright .. its not
06:53.59Ellipsisyou can't view .cnf extensions on any file anywhere in explorer
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07:00.41theoddone33how long was it before naxx was full-cleared?
07:00.46theoddone33like a month, six weeks?
07:00.58theoddone33BT took like a week
07:01.04theoddone33kind of sad, I wonder why
07:01.08GrumSunwell will take longer
07:01.19Grumbut its artificial
07:01.23Grumand tbh, i am pleased with it
07:01.50Elsiamost of the delay in naxx progress was 4h though
07:01.55theoddone33well the number 3 us guild just disbanded because they got bored with the game and decided not to do sunwell
07:01.58Grumit lessens the load on guilds
07:02.02Elsiamost instances clear rather fast minus buggy bosses or blocks
07:02.14theoddone33and they were QQing for the days when pve was  a challenge
07:02.33Elsiaminmaxing raiders kill the game for themselves really
07:02.36Grumsunwell will be a challenge again
07:03.01Elsiaso you raid stack, mass soul stone and then complain that things are too easy when they are tuned for sensible raid setups? doesn't make sense in my book
07:03.31theoddone33http://www.risen-guild.com/ mostly a QQ post I guess
07:03.46theoddone33I'm kind of wondering if the content is easier or if people have the PVE thing down better with 25 man raids
07:04.47Elsiawell people raid for 3 years now, they minmax raid composition, pots, gear distribution, raid 6+ days a week for 4 hours minumum, at peak times they raid 18hours with minimal greaks
07:04.49Elsiabreaks*
07:06.00Elsiaraiding is harder nowadays, except that the top guilds won't know because they do things that a more normal raid groups simple can't or won't do
07:06.25theoddone33risen was pissed that people cheesed a'lar also
07:06.26theoddone33heh
07:06.51Sole18 hour raids?
07:06.52Solewtf
07:07.20Grumif you are a 'top progression guild' .. yes, how else do you expect to down new bosses in a day?
07:07.42Elsiawell the risen post basically says this: Others got to see the game too, and that sucks.
07:07.49theoddone33seemed like with naxx there were a lot of people in the hunt
07:07.49Elsiait's just spite.
07:07.59theoddone33but with BT it was just like nihilum cleared it in 3 days
07:08.07Elsiait was because of 4H
07:08.10theoddone33and then everyone else took a week or two longer
07:08.12Elsiasame with CThun
07:08.14Sole4H was a cool encounter
07:08.20theoddone33well cthun was bugged or something?
07:08.22Ellipsis4H was a big hangup for everyone
07:08.39Elsiabecause the top runners were stuck at 4H more guilds got a chance to catch up and it looked like a more even playing field
07:08.55Ellipsisimo it was really just an artificial wall
07:09.07syerenRaiding is easier than ever :p
07:09.10Ellipsislet's make one encounter uber-difficult so only the cool kids get to see KT
07:09.11syerenPretty much obvious.
07:09.14Elsiasame with Vashj being hard. In reality it has been Nihilum and D&T for very long with very little real competition. You look at 3-4 guilds with world firsts in a very long time
07:09.38theoddone33risen was world first helgian, us first KT I think
07:09.48theoddone33so they were around there
07:09.55theoddone33but now they just QQ, so eh
07:10.06SoleElsia: I think what risen is feeling is theyve put so much effort into getting to where they are. Like they ran a marathon down a 500km winding road only to have blizzard add a shortcut from start to finish
07:10.10Soleok, weird analogy
07:10.17theoddone33naw that sounds about right
07:10.26syerenBasically raiding used to mean shit, used to be challenging.
07:10.31Soleit was
07:10.40syerenNow it's piss easy, and gets nerfed even more once good guilds do the shit.
07:10.40Grumin their post i read that blizzard claimed to add epic gems to drop from kara?
07:10.54Sole10 epic gems per kara
07:10.58Elsiai understand what risen feels but it doesn't make sense: basically it's this: Blizz makes a hard game that only very few people can complete, we want other to be frustrated out of their minds to feel special.
07:11.04Elsiathat's what it boils down to really
07:11.09Elsiathey had their hardcore experience,
07:11.13GrumSole: is that real?
07:11.22SoleGrum: I dont really care about WoW anymore, so I dunno :P
07:11.23Elsiathey whine about _others_ experience... pretty petty if you ask me
07:11.40Grumi get why blizzard is doing the changes
07:11.50SoleI understand why blizz is doing it
07:11.51Grumi just dont get why they are taking such a blunt approach
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07:12.02Solebut I fully understand why top guilds are annoyed as well
07:12.04syerenIt's obvious as to why Blizzard are doing these things, but it takes any challenge out of the game for guilds like mine :/
07:12.05Elsiablizz had massive subscription losses in march and april when most tried to raid and kara an gruul stomped them
07:12.09Soleits basically a big "fuck you" from blizzard
07:12.19Elsianah it isn't
07:12.32Elsiapeople who read that as fuck you are idiots really
07:12.37Solethank you
07:13.38Elsiasee blizzard has changed nothing for the game experience of Risen. How can that be a fuck you? Unless one has a weird ego that stares at others.
07:14.05syerenBecause guilds clear that shit, sit on stagnent content.
07:14.10syerenThen it gets nerfed to fuck.
07:14.11ElsiaI have really zero sympathy who want the game impossible for others just to feel special, even if it changes nothing to their own gameplay experience.
07:14.35Elsiaand that changes their gameplay how?
07:14.43Elsiaothers get to experience the content too, that's all that happens
07:14.45syerenBecause shit is easier than ever.
07:14.51Soleand they get more bored
07:15.01syerenLet's look how long we spent in Naxx.
07:15.07Elsiawhy is there no speed-run culture anymore btw?
07:15.10Solethats what happened during my lvl 60 raiding days
07:15.19syerenAnd now lets look how long guilds spent in BT.
07:15.19ElsiaNaxx was 4H. Take that out and it was about as long as the BT clear.
07:15.31syerenBT was cleared in 1 week :o
07:15.33theoddone33man I didn't mean to start this
07:15.38Solenaxx was just freaking massive though
07:15.41theoddone33I just wanted to know if content was easier or if guilds were better
07:15.50syerenContent is easier.
07:15.53Elsiatheo: the real answer is difficult
07:15.58Soletheoddone33: certain guilds are better. but content is a lot easier also
07:15.59syerenCONTENT IS EASIER.
07:16.00Elsiakael is harder than any boss in vanilla
07:16.09Elsiavashj is harder than cthun for sure
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07:16.28Elsiaarchimonde requires more individual coordination and awareness than anything in vanilla I think
07:16.32Grumomg prospecting is broken!
07:16.39Grum23 prospects and only green gems
07:16.51Grumkek .. 2 talasites now ><
07:16.53Gngskyour fate is sealed, Grum
07:17.20Elsiacontent isn't easier, there is really no raid content at the easiness level of MC for example
07:17.37Elsiatrash in general is more demanding than trash in vanilla leave pre-twin trash
07:17.43SoleMC was hardcore when nobody knew how to raid :)
07:17.53Elsiatrue
07:17.58Elsiaand yes there is easy content
07:18.09Elsiathe first 3 MH and BT bosses are easy
07:18.19Elsiabasically it's silly that Gruul and Magtheridon are harder then these bosses
07:18.32syerenAll of BT and Hyjal bosses are easy.
07:18.41syerenWe didn't even have to spend a fucking evening on any of them -_-
07:18.44Grumgeeez
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07:18.48Grumwtb blue gems :(
07:18.57Ellipsiseverything in the game is easy and anyone who can't solo illidan is a noob and sucks at wow
07:19.10Grumamagawd! first non talasite/dawnstone after 47 prospects
07:19.24Elsiayep and people who can't one-shot BT need to play hello kitty island adventure :D
07:19.36Solei prefer barbie doll online
07:19.39GrumBT is not that easy
07:19.45Ellipsisneopets for me thanks
07:19.51SoleOMGNOOBCANTCLEARBT
07:19.57Solekek
07:20.14Solejust goin with the WoW culture -_-
07:20.21ElsiaBT isn't easy, but if you raid stack, full pot and get to recruit the top 0.1% of all raiders it's easy
07:20.28syerenWell let's see.
07:20.30syerenMy guild.
07:20.33Elsiait's funny that hardcore don't understand that they _make_ it easy
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07:20.37syerenCleared BT 7th in the world.
07:20.48syerenAnd the consensus amongst everyone is that it was easy.
07:20.53Elsiaarchimonde v1.0 was easier than he is now too
07:21.09Elsiasyveren: go raid with a real raid and reassess ;)
07:21.12Grumsyeren: so wht was hard?
07:21.27syerenOriginal Mother was fun.
07:21.30syerenUntil they nerfed her.
07:21.35syerenAnd ermm, that was it :p
07:21.40Elsiakael'thas in one reset?
07:22.01Elsiaso you have the top 0.1% of raiders and expect content to be tuned for your setup?
07:22.05SoleElsia: you mean a raid with a couple morons in it and monkeys that dont listen when youre trying to help them out?
07:22.17Elsiasole: I mean a raid with real people ;)
07:22.19syerenWould be fun?
07:22.23syerenAnyways, going to sleep.
07:22.29Grumtbh
07:22.33SoleElsia: yeah thats about a real raid :P
07:22.41Grumdont forget that at the time they cleared shit
07:22.47Grumall pots/elixirs still stacked
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07:23.03Elsianah, pots were nerfed before BT was released
07:23.09Diaowait hm
07:23.14Grumno they werent afaik
07:23.17Elsiabut yeah D&T raid stacked and potted through kara of all places
07:23.17Diaorisen guild website says kara will drop 10 epic gems per run? o_O
07:23.24Grumi saw that too diao
07:23.29theoddone33I'd love to be able to raid with 25 people that know what they're doing at any content level
07:23.30KemayoYeah, pots were after BC.
07:23.32theoddone33I've never seen it happen
07:23.39Grumicant find it in the releasenotes or on worldofraids/mmochamp
07:23.46syeren10 Gems per run = 1 Person gets a gem each.
07:23.56theoddone33risen's info is a little outdated
07:23.59Elsiathat's fine, it's just gear that mudflates with WotLK
07:24.01Diaoyea
07:24.10Diaoi couldn't find any info on epic gems dropping in kara anywhere either
07:24.11theoddone33I heard they were still QQing about the sunwell gate quest
07:24.16syeren....
07:24.16theoddone33but a blue post said they're dropping that
07:24.25syeren15 BADGES OF JUSTICE = 1 EPIC GEM.
07:24.34Elsiait's just gear :D
07:24.41syeren1 KARAZHAN = 2X BADGES OF JUSTICE.
07:24.43ElsiaI wish all gear was gray
07:24.45syeren:o
07:24.46ZealotOnAStick22
07:24.47theoddone33hey that means I can drop JCing
07:24.52Grum22
07:25.01Grumi dont get why they dont change kara to drop 1 per boss
07:25.04ZealotOnAStickunless the basement boss (who we never bother to kill) drops a badge.
07:25.04syerenI don't know, haven't cleared it for ages :p
07:25.08Grumand ZA 2-3 per boss
07:25.09Elsiabig deal, gearing accelerates so people with less time have a change to meet gear checks
07:25.13Grumand SSC 4-5 per boss
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07:25.26Grumand TK 4-5 per boss and BT 6-7 per boss
07:25.35Grumthey just 'revert' the scales
07:25.47theoddone33I'm thinking badge gear should be weird stuff
07:25.51Grumso for 2hr kara you get 22 badges, which is way more for your money
07:25.58theoddone33like resistence gear or something
07:26.09Diaomost people don't do 2 hr kara
07:26.12Diaounless they're like bt level
07:26.15ZealotOnAStickbut you can only do it once a week.
07:26.18theoddone33or better yet have different badge types
07:26.26ZealotOnAStickwe do 2 hour kara, 2 hour Hyjal.
07:26.27theoddone33and tiered badge gear
07:26.42ZealotOnAStickBT takes us probably 5-6 hours total, unless people are fucking up council or illidan or RoS
07:27.01Diaoyea see.. we're kara gear level and we can clear it in min of 2.5 hrs
07:27.01Elsiathey really only do this because WotLK is around, gear is devalued already
07:27.08Diao2 hrs there's no way since we don't have enough dps
07:27.08syerenYup :p
07:27.29syerenThere's a huge discussion about this in The Art Of Money thread on EJ ;p
07:27.29theoddone33yeah that's true
07:27.41theoddone33wotlk is gonna level gear again
07:28.01syerenDoesn't really matter if they get epic gems, because they won't be worth as much 6 months ago anyways :p
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07:28.17syerenJust preparing people without raid access for leveling I guess :p
07:28.18Elsiabasically it's opening up content before it obsoletes... something they didn't do in vanilla. I think it's a great idea. and I'm T6 raiding so I don't gain
07:28.31ZealotOnAStickhttp://wow.mmolecule.com/news/news.mmo?id=bd30ff82-f1ce-4986-ac11-1447df561c9b
07:28.37theoddone33I'd still like to do naxx
07:28.38Elsiaand if some egomaniacs can't take it that others see content, let them QQ.
07:28.42theoddone33SSC? not so much
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07:28.48Elsiawe get to do it in WotLK but different
07:28.50theoddone33TK? maybe
07:29.06ZealotOnAStickSSC has a couple of fun fights.
07:29.15ZealotOnAStickVashj fight is a lot of fun.
07:29.21theoddone33I was in there for two wipes on fathom lord
07:29.24ZealotOnAStickLeotheras used to be.
07:29.29theoddone33and that's all I've seen of ssc
07:29.39ZealotOnAStickKarathress used to be fun.  
07:29.42ElsiaI think a lot of bosses are fun actually
07:29.43theoddone33got invited to some vashj wipes today though
07:29.53ZealotOnAStickBut the worst fight in all of SSC has got to be Morogrim.  Boooooooring.
07:29.57theoddone33I mean attempts...
07:30.06Elsiamorogrim is too static
07:30.33ZealotOnAStickWhatserface, the Nethermancer in TK, used to be much more fun.
07:30.40Elsiasolarian
07:30.51theoddone33I think it's telling that the guild who does more or less open raids on my server is at 5/6 SSC and 3/4 TK
07:30.59ZealotOnAStickthey nerfed her (yeah, Solarian) into stupidly easy.
07:31.00Elsiait's geddon v2 + some extra AoE. really not a very imaginative design
07:31.16theoddone33they had a dagger rogue sinister striking and not using snd on an a'lar kill
07:31.33theoddone33but they can still down that level of content with that level of player in the raid
07:31.42ZealotOnAStickWell, the Kael fight used to be a major pain in the ass.
07:31.42Elsiakael and vashj are still hard. Lots of roles to fill that need to execute
07:32.07ZealotOnAStickA certain amount on those fights just comes down to gear level as well.
07:32.09Elsia5/6 2/4 T5 basically means you haven't killed the really hard bosses in there
07:32.16Elsias/2/3/
07:32.30ZealotOnAStickVash takes more coordination.  Kael takes more following directions.
07:32.46ZealotOnASticks/Vash/Vashj/
07:33.39Elsiakael is harder because it contains more of a gear check in phase 2/3 while vashj really isn't much of a DPS race beyond individual elemental killers having to be able to do their job which is managable with average gear
07:33.52ZealotOnAStickfor the most part, I've been unimpressed with the SP encounters.
07:34.22ElsiaI think lurker and hydross are fun, leotheras is fine and vashj is nice
07:34.32Elsiacompared to MC/BWL that's a good fun ratio
07:34.48ZealotOnAStickfinal phase of Vashj is something of a gear check.  Even if you bring 2 or 3 Marks hunters, it's still a matter of dropping her fast enough that the bats don't overwhelm you.
07:34.54Elsiaremember how many bosses in MC and BWL weren't that special? 3 dragons? or half of MC at least?
07:35.29ZealotOnAStickNone of the fire-naga were very interesting.
07:35.41Elsiavashj phase 3 is managable with 1 hunter and 1 lock on bat duty really. as long as your tank moves and your shammy grounds it's not that huge a DPS race
07:36.13ZealotOnAStickDid they change it?
07:36.21Elsianot that I know
07:36.22ZealotOnAStickI've never been able to get range on the bats, as a warlock.
07:36.46ZealotOnAStickand I had both range talents then.
07:37.05Elsiawell our lock manages somehow, I'd have to ask him about positioning though
07:37.16ZealotOnAStickHmm.
07:37.28ZealotOnAStickI wonder if there's some terrain 'sploit to allow hitting some of them.
07:37.44Elsiahe just dots them though, no chance for SBs
07:38.00ZealotOnAStickmm, so Seed is probably out.
07:38.26ZealotOnAStickhe's better used on Vashj then, just let the hunter(s) take the bats.
07:38.59Elsiawell we only use the lock on bats if we are really low on hunters, as said we managed fine with 1 hunter and 1 lock, if we have more hunters the lock is on vashj
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07:39.44Elsiareally the vashj fight is phase 2. I think we failed phase 3 once and that was to the loss of the grounding shammy and not due to bats necessarily.
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07:40.50Elsiamost disappointing boss for me was shade of akama, neffy phase 1 basically, and that not that hard.
07:42.33GrumMH1-3, BT1-3 is just free loot
07:42.54Grumbut they have to be there including trash because of the hearts of darkness
07:43.27Grumthe trash between naj and akama is a seriously stupid amount
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07:45.01ZealotOnAStickWe don't bother all of it.
07:45.11ZealotOnAStickWe kill up to Supremus, then run back and teleport up.
07:45.34ZealotOnAStickskip about 1/3 of the central square trash.
07:45.54ZealotOnAStickHmm.
07:46.12ZealotOnAStickI'm having a hard time figuring out a "security question" option.  Wants my favorite historical figure.
07:46.29Arrowmasteryou only skip like 2 pulls that way though dont you?
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07:47.02ZealotOnAStickno.  Several.  2 patrols that are pretty much unavoidable, several demon packs.
07:47.41Arrowmasterwe only pull 1 pat
07:47.42ZealotOnAStickwe port to the ashtongue, go clear to Akama and kill him, then there's a bunch of Ashtongue up walking around we don't have to deal with.
07:48.55Arrowmasterwe pull 2 groups inside the doorway, 1 pat, 1 group on the corner, and 1 group right by the door (i think theres a group right by the door i dont remember)
07:49.50theoddone33destruction is stupid for leveling a warlock right?
07:49.58Arrowmasteryes
07:49.58theoddone33very bored with the class
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07:50.41theoddone33why? mana inefficiency?
07:50.44Brunersi leveled my warlock from 60->68 with destruction
07:50.51theoddone33well I'm 31, heh
07:52.12Brunershybrid destruction/affliction would be the best for leveling before level 50
07:52.46theoddone33right now I'm 100% affliction drain tank
07:52.50theoddone33boring the crap out of me
07:53.04Ellipsisdestro is very inefficient and usually not recommended for leveling because of it
07:53.27EllipsisI wouldn't personally level destro without a pocket healer
07:53.38Arrowmasteror pocket mage
07:53.49Ellipsiseh, it's still downtime
07:53.54theoddone33I kind of want to play it like a mage
07:54.02theoddone33except I'd be drinking/eating a lot
07:54.13ZealotOnAStickaff or demonology for leveling, generally.
07:54.25ZealotOnAStickthough Dest/demon will be viable for 70-80.
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07:54.38ZealotOnAStickbacklash and nether protection are almost OP.
07:54.48Ellipsisdest/demon? o.O
07:54.55ZealotOnAStick0/21/40
07:55.06Ellipsishm...I suppose
07:55.35Ellipsisrather have the FG and/or CoEx if I'm gonna be soloing the grind though
07:55.39Fisker-you guys seen the zerg announcement? :o
07:55.46ZealotOnAStickI respecced out of "Aff bitch" role for a while to play with the Big Numbers spec.
07:56.01ZealotOnAStickI watched a video of mediocre quality.
07:56.01Fisker-http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/186897.html
07:56.05theoddone33I could get soul link
07:56.07ZealotOnAStickyeah, that one.
07:56.14theoddone33at this level, but I don't know waht I'd do with it
07:56.36ZealotOnAStickwhat level are you?
07:56.40theoddone3331
07:56.50ZealotOnAStickmost of your points thus far are where?
07:57.01theoddone33all in affliction
07:57.26theoddone33pretty standard drain tanking setup for this level
07:57.30ZealotOnAStickContinue on down.  aim for Shadow Mastery, or start some of the Dest talents.
07:58.01ZealotOnAStickor pick up the "sacrifice a stat locks don't care about for more stamina" talent in first tier demonology.
07:58.17theoddone33well the issue is that I'm bored leveling
07:58.25theoddone33which usually for me means trying a different playstyle
07:58.54EllipsisI'm a big fan of demonic embrace, it actually has a decent effect at low levels
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08:01.57theoddone33heh unlearning your talents desummons your pet? cute
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08:04.42Fisker-theoddone33
08:04.52Fisker-Talents that applied to the pet stayed after being unlearned
08:05.00Fisker-so to stop sploiters they desummon it
08:05.10theoddone33ah
08:05.19Ellipsisyou used to be able to spec out of FG while your FG was summoned
08:05.31Fisker-or soullink for that matter
08:05.34Ellipsisso you could effectively have two 41-pt talents active at a time
08:06.16theoddone33one of the demon sacrifice effects should be 30% movement speed
08:06.55Ellipsisfor the full 30mins?
08:07.00Ellipsissounds kinda OP for pvp
08:07.16theoddone33true
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08:07.33theoddone33just annoyed that druids/hunters/shaman have a fast way to get around at 20 and I don't
08:07.46EllipsisQQ moar
08:08.00Ellipsisalso druids don't get theirs til like 30 or something
08:08.03theoddone33walking is terrible
08:08.10theoddone33they have like +15% speed in cat from talents
08:08.36Ellipsisoutdoors only
08:08.40theoddone33right
08:08.45theoddone33shaman is outdoors only as well
08:09.00Ellipsisand how many talent points is it to get that talent anyway
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08:09.07theoddone3312 i believe
08:09.18Ellipsisnevermind that you couldn't get DS at level 20 either, lol
08:09.27thulhmm
08:09.35theoddone33yeah but I'm level 30 and still slow :(
08:09.44theoddone33even rogues have 15% in talents now
08:09.50theoddone33QQ QQ QQ
08:09.52theoddone33etc
08:11.05theoddone33ds is a poor leveling talent it seems
08:11.12theoddone33ah well
08:11.16Ellipsisum, yeah
08:11.29CIA-903diablohu * r64104 10Proximo2/locals/localization-zhCN.lua:
08:11.29CIA-9Proximo2
08:11.29CIA-9- zhCN update
08:11.41thulCRY SOME MORE PLEASE
08:12.04thulbest pickupline ever.
08:12.30thulIN FLAMES - ONLY FOR THE WEAK
08:12.31thuletc
08:12.32thulI like caps
08:13.47theoddone33for some reason I thought you could summon another demon with DS
08:14.08theoddone33then I realized people used to use shock cables on theirs for that reason
08:16.28ramozwhat
08:16.31ramozthats possible?
08:16.41theoddone33it used to be, I don't know if it still is
08:16.47theoddone33this is back when I was doing MC
08:16.50theoddone33people used to do that
08:17.29ZealotOnAStickthey changed it back before BC so it wasn't possible any more.
08:18.12ZealotOnASticktroll priests/shamans used to be the choice for it.  
08:18.22ZealotOnAStickBerserk Rez
08:22.37ramozmm
08:22.45ramozdoesnt work with bloodlust either
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08:23.42theoddone33rebirth? :)
08:23.57ZealotOnAStickno.
08:24.02ZealotOnAStickdoesn't work anymore.  Period.
08:24.12ZealotOnAStickhasn't for a long time.
08:24.27ZealotOnASticksince before BC.
08:24.48ramozso mean, ZealotOnAStick
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08:25.15theoddone33more like so mean, blizzard
08:25.24Arrowmasterit was an exploit
08:26.09ZealotOnAStickone which a CM said that they weren't going to consider an exploit/actionable thing, but a "creative use of game mechanics"
08:26.32theoddone33they're really flaky on exploits
08:26.43ZealotOnAStickbut they finally fixed it, and half the raiding warlocks specced out of MD.
08:26.52theoddone33clamping down on harmless ones yet flat out refusing to change others or claiming they're intended when it's clearly bad
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08:30.03CIA-903jerry * r64105 10LibPeriodicTable-3.1/ (2 files in 2 dirs): LibPeriodicTable-3.1: added Sauteed Sunfish (1326)
08:33.52CIA-903neotron * r64106 10MagicMarker/ (7 files in 2 dirs):
08:33.52CIA-9MagicMarker:
08:33.52CIA-9- Added new configuration options: Delay between remarking, Honor third party raid icons, Reserve raid group icons, Reset raid icons when resetting the cache, Enable target re-prioritization during combat
08:33.52CIA-9- Use AceDB for configuration options (not used for raid icons or mob database atm)
08:33.52CIA-9- Reorganized options somewhat.
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08:39.50CIA-903neotron * r64107 10MagicMarker/ (Config.lua Locales/Locale-enUS.lua): MagicMarker: changed the name of an option (reserve to preserve)
08:40.05NeoTronphew. time to go to bed
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08:49.21CIA-903neotron * r64108 10MagicMarker/MagicMarker.lua: MagicMarker: Fixed some bugs related to preserving raid group target icons.
08:49.22NeoTronand with that fix I will REALLY head out. ttfn
08:56.58CIA-9TourGuide: 03tekkub 07master * r330aa3ea03 10TourGuide/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Minor Outland fixes
08:57.51Grumr330aa3ea03 <-- kek!
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09:12.26ZhinjioGood evening.
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09:14.27Ellipsis^-^
09:15.06ValleGLike a Tickle me Elmo ?
09:15.38Grumfake elmo!
09:16.02Zhinjioyeah, I'm fairly certain I share nothing in common with sesame street toys
09:16.24Zhinjiothere might be some slight similarities with the pillsbury doughboy, or the michelin man.
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09:17.46Zhinjioman, FactionGrinder could use an update.
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09:28.37Solez is the complex number cosΘ + i sinΘ. Prove that  (1 + z)/(1+ž) = z  
09:29.11Sole(1 + ž) = meant to be a straight line above z but I cant find that character atm. just the conjugate symbol
09:29.35SoleΘ = meant to be theta :P
09:30.29sicalooks like a theta to me
09:30.31CIA-903elsia 072.4 * r64109 10Recount/ (7 files in 2 dirs):
09:30.31CIA-9Recount:
09:30.31CIA-9- Added zone/instance dependent filters.
09:30.31CIA-9- Some cleanup for deletion options (ineffective options will be gray'd)
09:31.05SoleI think I have the solution actually
09:31.07Solelemme check
09:31.13CIA-9thrae-wow: 03generalmx * r139 10/trunk/TinyTipOptions/ (6 files in 2 dirs): TinyTipOptions: Initial dry-coded commit of Dewdrop version, with all localizations I had. 2.4 will make me recode this again.
09:32.21SolecosΘ + i sinΘ = 1 cis Θ  . But what would be the conjugate of that? -1 cis Θ ?
09:32.35Soleor cosΘ - i sinΘ
09:33.10Elsiaconjugate is cos x - i sin x of cos x + i sin x, the definition is that you change the sign of the imaginary part
09:34.49Elsia(1+z)/(1+z*) = z -> (1+z)=z*(1+z*) -> (1+z)=z+z*(z*) then show that z*(z*) = 1
09:34.56Elsiaz* is the conjugate of z
09:35.47Solety I'll work on it
09:38.02Trell_Anyone know if theres a problem with ProffessionsBook not playing nicely with Skillet?
09:38.12Elsiaworks fine for me
09:38.34Trell_right, so let me make sure I'm doing this right - I open my Profession window.
09:38.40Trell_I then do /pb show
09:38.46Trell_and it should have scanned everything?
09:38.50Trell_or am I missing a vital step.
09:39.00ramozThrae: any chance you're gonna add a option for the old target thingie? i don't like the Targeting: target at the bottom =(
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09:39.15Elsiasole: remember that cos a*cos a+ sin a* sin a = 1 ;)
09:39.26Zeksiemeh.. why does my menu anchor move as soon as i click some option... fubarplugin style, on minimap atm..
09:39.45Thraeramoz: There already is.
09:40.03ramozreally?
09:40.03Elsiatrell: it scans whenever you open the professions window
09:40.08ramozi hanvt found it
09:40.13ramozgonna have a look later tonight
09:40.25Elsiaand /pb show just shows pb, doesn't have anyhting to do with scanning
09:40.45SoleElsia: ty
09:41.15Zeksienm... found out why.. the icon is slightly off edge of screen, so after hte first click the menu repositions so it's not touching edge... it should do it befor first show tho :|
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09:47.45SoleElsia: thanks for the help, I understand it now :)
09:49.48OlisonHmm, looking for advice: Imagine your AddOns folder had lots of sub-folders, the most managed by jwowupdater... but with a few co'd SVN folders aswell, how would you best update those without too much hassle (I'm currently updating each single svn addon with rightclick, svn update in tortoisesvn}
09:50.14clad|officeOlison: download commandlnie svn
09:50.15clad|officesvn update *
09:50.39OlisonWhen i mount the folder via samba and try to `svn up *` via a linux machine, it gives me permission denied errors
09:50.40Olisonalso, i tried it with cygwin
09:50.47Olisonsec, getting exact error message
09:50.55clad|officedon't use cgywin
09:50.58clad|officedon't use samba
09:51.01clad|officedownload the win32 svn binaries
09:51.03clad|officeand svn update *
09:51.08OlisonHm ok
09:51.09clad|officedon't need any voodoo
09:51.46Elsiasole: great
09:51.49ValleGVoodoo is best left to trolls
09:52.01ValleGand shamans
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09:55.00ramozclad|office: wtb "mana" thing for praid!
09:56.03clad|officehuh>?
09:56.06clad|officepraid has mana bars
09:57.21clad|officeor are you talking the "low mana" indicator?
09:57.23Fisker-he said thing not bars
09:57.24Fisker-HOHO
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10:00.46ValleGwas it |r to end |c ?
10:01.22ValleGguess so :>
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10:07.25CIA-9thrae-wow: 03generalmx * r140 10/trunk/TinyTipOptions/ (5 files in 2 dirs): TinyTipOptions: Fixed all bone-headed mistakes. It's working now. Wee.
10:07.25CIA-9thrae-wow: 03generalmx * r141 10/trunk/TinyTip/ (TinyTip.lua TinyTip.toc): TinyTip: Various updates to allow TinyTipOptions to work. Also added "Scale", "HideInCombat", and "HideInFrames" functionality to the core.
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10:11.17CIA-9thrae-wow: 03generalmx * r142 10/trunk/TinyTipBasic/TinyTipBasic.lua: TinyTipBasic: Changed code so it'll work with profiles.
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10:15.17CIA-9AtlasLoot_BCInstances:
10:15.17CIA-9- Sunwell update
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10:15.25CIA-9AtlasLoot_WorldLoot:
10:15.25CIA-9- Lord Ahune updated
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10:15.36CIA-9AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP:
10:15.36CIA-9- Arena Season 4 updated
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10:15.49CIA-9AtlasLoot_RepFactions:
10:15.49CIA-9- Shattered Sun Offensive updated
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10:16.15CIA-9AtlasLoot:
10:16.15CIA-9- Shattered Sun Offensive updated
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10:17.28CIA-903thrae * r64120 10TinyTipBasic/TinyTipBasic.lua: TinyTipBasic: Profile support.
10:19.17Zeksiehow come tinytip options won't show up in wau. no wonder i can't get it working right.
10:19.22CIA-9thrae-wow: 03generalmx * r145 10/trunk/TinyTip/TinyTip.lua: TinyTip: Whoops. Menu was only appearing once per UI reload. Fixed.
10:19.39ThraeZeksie: Because I just commited it 2 minutes ago.
10:19.43Zeksieahhah
10:19.52Zeksiewill wait a bit then
10:20.21CIA-903thrae * r64121 10TinyTip/TinyTip.lua: TinyTip: GSVN --> WSVN
10:21.21CIA-903ammo * r64122 10SmoothQuest/ (. SmoothQuest.lua SmoothQuest.toc):
10:21.21CIA-9SmoothQuest: Initial Import
10:21.21CIA-9- Adds level and difficulty coloring to the blizzard questwatch
10:21.21CIA-9- Adds gradient progress coloring to the blizzard questwatch
10:21.21CIA-9- Adds quest info to mob/item tooltips
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10:28.10nevcairielyay for [Ammo]
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10:33.26CIA-903ammo * r64123 10SmoothQuest/ (SmoothQuest.lua SmoothQuest.toc libs/ libs.xml): SmoothQuest: externals and stuff
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10:35.56ramoz[Ammo]: will SmoothQuest show the lvl of the quest in the questlist?
10:36.07[Ammo]yeah
10:37.01ramozsweet
10:37.14ramoztime to drop my old hack from some old CT mod
10:40.10[Ammo]but if that's al you're looking for
10:40.17[Ammo]I suggest getting QueLevel by Tekkub
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10:42.04CIA-9AtlasLoot_BCInstances:
10:42.04CIA-9- zhCN & zhTW update
10:42.13Pkekyo|aighty, I'm off to london - see you in a week
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10:49.35teetowThrae: \o/
10:50.09teetowwish it was possible to run WoW over VNC so I could try it out right away... =P
10:52.04ValleGlol
10:52.12Funkeh`http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/09/2136242&from=rss
10:52.19SunTsuteetow: It is possible ;)
10:52.27teetowSunTsu: not really
10:52.35teetowthe y-axis of my mouse gets vastly upscaled
10:52.41SunTsuteetow: You just have to keep yelling that you're no bot because you are moving jerky ;)
10:53.09SunTsuteetow: I always used the cursor keys for movement
10:53.10teetowso I can choose between staring at a skybox or the ground at roughly 5 FPM
10:54.09teetowoh well
10:54.14teetowpatience is a virtue, after all.
10:54.18teetowor so they say.
10:54.50teetowThrae: the fact that you now support saving user prefs doesn't automatically mean TinyTipFu will work, right?
10:56.24Camciany good ActionBar addons? :P
10:59.07ValleGCamci, depends on what you want to do with 'em.
10:59.40Camcii have used Bartender3 for a long time
10:59.42ValleGI liked Bartender3 when I don't use default blizzards
10:59.46Camcii desided to change my whole UI
10:59.50Camcigetting bored of it
11:00.10ValleGEver tried CyCircled?
11:00.13Camciso i have got pitbull to play with ( have used aq_ui )
11:00.16Fisker-Funkeh` the number score is irrelevant when the layout is already screwed
11:00.35Camciyea im using CyCircled to
11:00.36Funkeh`Fisker-, the latest ie scores a magical 12
11:00.37Camcitoo*
11:01.17Fisker-The number isn't the only relevant part in the test
11:01.43Funkeh`it is when it's only 12
11:01.50Funkeh`I don't need to even lok at the layout
11:01.59Camciwhere can i get this cool designs for pitbull?
11:02.00Camci:P
11:02.13EllipsisCamci: open the options and start playing around
11:02.49ValleGI guess the forum thread works but last time I looked there wasn't that many....considering the amount of pages
11:02.55Camciya, its just soo much :P
11:03.46Funkeh`vista SP1 tomorow?
11:04.08ValleGI like uOF better though
11:04.10ValleGoUF*
11:04.20Funkeh`probably the tuesday after
11:06.37Fisker-Funkeh` yeah well tell that to the guys who made it
11:06.50Fisker-A score of 100/100 doesn't mean a pass either
11:07.28nevcairiel100/100 + perfect comparison to the reference shot
11:08.16ValleGI couldn't even open the page does that mean I fail?
11:08.25Fisker-definitely
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11:09.31Fisker-Infact if you have to be coherent with the requirements of that test IE5.5 scores 2/100 and IE7 scores 6/100
11:10.01Fisker-i wonder how it looks in that safari nightly build
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11:11.15Fisker-oh
11:11.22Funkeh`sandboxing ie8 to test
11:11.25Fisker-and it's incorrect to list Firefox as 69/100 btw
11:11.32Fisker-well atleast with the build i have
11:11.40Fisker-cause it fails before that
11:12.19ValleGYou're on mac?
11:12.25Fisker-nope
11:12.58ValleGthe 69% score was on OS X & centOS
11:13.05CIA-903peragor * r64125 10GridLayoutPlus/embed.xml:
11:13.05CIA-9GridLayoutPlus:
11:13.05CIA-9- Another embed fix
11:13.15Camcilol dont understand pitbull
11:13.18Fisker-I know
11:13.31Fisker-But i'm still confident that they're unable to comprehend the test
11:13.43Ellipsisoh Fisker-
11:13.43ValleGCamci, you'll learn eventually. Just remember to enable config mode so you can actually configure all elements
11:13.47Fisker-It's not a "open in browser, and if it's x/100 then that's the result"
11:13.50nevcairieli get a 69/100 with firefox trunk
11:13.52Ellipsiswill you two kiss and make up already
11:13.56Fisker-no u
11:14.14Fisker-67/100 with Fx3 b4 build
11:14.24CamciYea thats what i did, but there is no layouts
11:14.26nevcairiel69/100 with nightly b5-pre!
11:14.29Camciwhere can i get layouts?
11:14.38Fisker-But it fails earlier than 67/100
11:14.41ValleGYou gotta make your own or import one from the forums
11:15.04nevcairielthe animation isnt smooth in any browser right now, so thats where it fails too :P
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11:15.09Fisker-I don't know if it's fixed in b5-pre but the boxes are not correctly shaped and there's a line in the middle of it
11:15.30nevcairielthe boxes look alright
11:15.34nevcairieljust miss their colors
11:15.59Fisker-On mine half the box were a couple of pixels off
11:16.11ValleGAre you a web developer?
11:16.14Fisker-just gonna update
11:16.29nevcairieldirect comparison with the rendering .. boxes miss the color, the Acid3 text misses the shadow
11:16.35nevcairieland the red boxes are still there :D
11:16.40Fisker-yeah looks a lot better on the b5-pre
11:16.48Fisker-for some reason i only get 68/100 :o
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11:19.37ValleGWhat do you think so far http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2829/wowscrnshot031008121458eh5.jpg
11:19.57ValleGoUF <3
11:20.16Fisker-http://www.hutton-web-design.co.uk/tanker.html <- :D
11:20.16Funkeh`What's so great about it
11:20.30Funkeh`default uf looks prettier than that
11:20.56Ellipsiseek, blue on black
11:21.14ValleGgotta change shaman color -.-
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11:21.46CIA-903merl * r64126 10/branches/mHud/ (SplitModules_bat.txt mBar.lua mHud.lua): mHud: Fixed ALT-Z problem
11:24.11ValleG"the front is not supposed to fall out", "gotta have a steering wheel" lol
11:24.27CIA-903ammo * r64127 10SmoothQuest/SmoothQuest.lua: SmoothQuest: heroic tag
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11:37.32Camciill just use my old UI...
11:37.39Camcii suck at making new UI
11:37.41Camci>_>
11:39.30Industrialui schmui
11:39.31thulYES YOU DO
11:39.57IndustrialI dont care for interfaces
11:40.05IndustrialI care for functional unitframes an actionbars
11:40.09Industrialdont need anything else
11:40.20Industrialnone'o'dat fluffy crap
11:40.38Industrialand voila, I have an "ui"
11:40.59thuli want minimalizm, functionalism and sexynoalism.
11:41.34Industrialso make your minimal unitframes sexy
11:41.41thulthey are
11:41.53Industrialdont add any textures and crap that make you see the ingame world less good
11:42.15IndustrialLike blizzard does it.
11:43.33evlIndustrial: I second that
11:43.50evlIndustrial: http://dump.no/files/31b3f6e44b98/ScreenShot_030508_002530.jpeg
11:43.54evlKISS ftw
11:43.57hastehttp://www.hutton-web-design.co.uk/tanker.html :3
11:44.24Industrial^^
11:44.27Industriallag
11:44.37Industrialthats a good 404, haste :p
11:44.44Industrialor uh, I mean 501
11:44.46haste:D
11:44.59thulI need cooldowns, hots/dots, etc.
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11:45.58Industriallast part is best :p
11:46.06Industrialthul: try oCD
11:46.11Industrialor omniCC
11:46.14thulI do have a cc
11:46.16thulI'm just saying
11:46.21Industrialno need for flashy bars for that
11:46.22Industrial:p
11:46.23thulthat i can't have it _that_ minimalizt
11:46.27thulst
11:46.33thuli want bars that are in my face
11:46.36thulso i can see them
11:46.40thuland enemy cast bars
11:46.55Industrialwell move your face to where the unitframes are
11:47.07Industrialcastingbars are in the functional part of unitframes for the most part
11:47.08thulno.
11:47.14Fisker-owld haste
11:47.16CamciWhy doesnt coolDown work anymore? or is there any other such addon?
11:47.19Industrialthats how unitframes work, you look at them
11:47.22Zeksieheh. i'd be pressing alt-z all the time cos my interface is MISSING!
11:47.27CIA-903simlan * r64128 10ActionCombat/ActionCombat.lua: ActionCombat: Vertical animation window offsets are properly stored now.
11:47.30hasteFisker-: I don't give a shit, it's awesome regardless :3
11:47.31thuli would rather have semi-transparent bars closer to my character :-)
11:47.38thulif you are a lazy ass caster, i can understand
11:47.38Fisker->:3
11:47.43Fisker-you stoel my link
11:47.45thulbut some of us play chars that have to move around a lot :-P
11:47.49Industrialso put your unitframes at your character
11:47.52Industrialso you can look at them
11:47.55Industriallogic!
11:48.09thuloooor... put transparent casting/cd/hot/dot-bars there
11:48.11thullogic.
11:48.20Industrialthats duplication functionality
11:48.21Ellipsisneeds moar stuff on the screen
11:48.21thulyou confuse "my personal opinion" with "logic"
11:48.26hasteFisker-: and you stole it from someone else!
11:48.28Chompershow's hyjal Fisker-?
11:48.36hasteyou.. thief!
11:48.42Fisker-no u haste
11:48.43thulthat is a quite common, but still seriously flawed thing to do :-)
11:48.44Fisker-fine Chompers
11:48.47Fisker-you?
11:48.52hasteI've yet to see you gank my priest Mr. Din
11:48.59Fisker-:(
11:49.16Chomperswe tried bt last night, first boss is pretty tough :/
11:50.05Fisker-owned
11:50.07Fisker-got him?
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11:50.40Fisker-i am going to kill you
11:50.58CIA-903nevcairiel * r64129 10SmoothQuest/SmoothQuest.lua: SmoothQuest: show the daily quest indicator for dungeon/heroic quests too
11:51.10Chompersno Fisker-
11:51.13Chomperswe fail :<
11:51.31Chompersshadow priest doing less dps than a tank
11:51.43Chompersand a druid who plays in first person mode without raid frames
11:52.06Stanzillalol
11:52.07Fisker-rawr
11:52.12Fisker-how far are you in hyjal then?
11:52.17Chompersfirst three
11:52.20Fisker-hoho
11:52.23Fisker-we're going to own you
11:52.25Chompersthen we went back to attune people and stuffs
11:52.28Chompersyes, yes you are.
11:52.30Fisker-:O
11:53.11Fisker-We wiped on vashj yesterday
11:53.15Fisker-stupid n00bs :(
11:53.16Chompersi refuse to do hyjal boss #2 and #3 without a pally tank, the trash hurts too much
11:53.25Chompershar har Fisker-
11:53.42Fisker-He couldn't reach the guy at the last generator
11:53.44Fisker-and i knew that
11:53.49Fisker-So i told him to throw it at me instead
11:53.59Chomperssame, the noobs passed the core to warlock guy
11:54.07Fisker-Then he tossed it to some healer that was barely able to keep the naga tank up as it were
11:54.25Fisker-So we lost the naga tank because he had to throw it to me
11:54.26Chompersweek before that 2 recruits ninjad the loot by accident
11:54.28ChompersLAWL
11:54.36Fisker-:o
11:54.38Chompersfail Fisker-
11:54.51Fisker-Yeah and before we knew of it we had lost half the raid :P
11:55.45Fisker-I hope we'll take azgalor tomorrow though
11:55.51Chomperscool
11:56.02evlAZZgalore?
11:56.04evli hate that boss
11:56.30Fisker-I LOVE him
11:56.34Fisker-or something
11:56.36evlhe's like a girl with her period, you pop all your cooldowns and you're ready to fuck and then that god damn fire comes AGAIN
11:56.43Chompersis he second or third?
11:56.49evlfourth?
11:56.49Fisker-fourth
11:56.55Chompersoh i say
11:56.59Chompersthen archi
11:57.08evlyes
11:57.16evlhe has less fire but there is still fire
11:57.29ChompersFIRE
11:57.33evlYES
11:57.34Fisker-just tank him neer the well
11:57.38evlweeeel
11:57.41Fisker-near*
11:57.45evlwell of eternity?
11:58.35Chompersis MH rep meant to be this slow?
11:58.38evlwe just tank him in the middle of the plain there but is there some new easymode?
11:58.44nevcairielChompers: yes
11:58.45Chompersfriendly/honored is taking ages
11:58.47evlChompers: Yes, but "fixed" in 2.4
11:58.52Chompershrm, fail
11:59.11nevcairieli'm finally exalted now, tho
11:59.20evlditto, that ring is the sex
11:59.37evlonly loot in <2.4 that's the same item level as illy loot afaik
11:59.58Chompersi need revered for it to be better than the prince ring
11:59.59evlFisker-: Whats is this new tanking spot?
12:00.05nevcairielthe ring has 152 .. thats higher then illi iirc
12:00.21evlyeah it is
12:00.24evlZOMG!
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12:03.52Fisker-what new tanking spot evl ? :o
12:04.02Fisker-anyone know the new rep rates in MH btw?
12:04.07evlFisker-: just tank him neer the well
12:04.19Fisker-you don't know?
12:04.41Fisker-If you tank him near the well of eternity he'll kill the raid
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12:05.32Arrowmastertank him in the hills
12:08.19Chompersin the hills and far away
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12:08.44evlwe just tank where he stands almost
12:08.56evlin the middle of the grassy field there, is there a better spot where you can avoid flames?
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12:16.38Grummiddle is better
12:16.44Grumless chance on accidents
12:17.03evlaccidents are usally mages "omg i blinked!!!11"
12:17.09evlor hunters "what? tears?"
12:17.18evlor fury warriors "the flames give me rage man!"
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12:18.40Grumor amagawd i landed in tree!
12:18.50Grumand i ran out of it before the cooldown of my tear was up
12:19.28evlthat last one is a lie :P
12:19.38evlcd is 10 seconds and he never bursts more than every 15 sec
12:19.43Arrowmasterwe tank him in the hills
12:19.50Arrowmasternobody gets touched by the flames
12:19.55Arrowmasteralthough we land in trees a lot
12:20.24Arrowmasterbut nobody ever dies from trees
12:20.44keissArrowmaster: we do the same
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12:21.05Arrowmastersome spots you dont even need to use the tears
12:21.35keissfortunatelly ppl finally learned not to die from fall dmg so thats not an issue :)
12:21.56evlArrowmaster: how does that solve the flame problem, they are still in range of them?
12:22.08keissevl: the flames cant leave the rocks basically
12:22.38Arrowmasteryeah as long as hes in the right spots the flames stay in the grass and dont touch the hills
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12:22.53evlhttp://www.wowhead.com/?zone=3606
12:22.57keissArrowmaster: oh you mean u have the raid in the hills ?
12:22.59evlaprox where are these hills?
12:23.02Arrowmasterif you pull him too far into the hills then the flames will come up the hills too
12:23.22Arrowmastersoutheast for us
12:23.48keisswe do the opposite , archimonde in the hills , that way the raid can spread better
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12:24.26Arrowmasterjust spend a night experimenting as a raid and youll figure out the best way to do it
12:24.35evlArrowmaster: so the flames can't climb/descend?
12:24.58Arrowmasterif they start in one part they stay in that part and dont goto the other
12:25.04keissevl: if the fire is on grass , it can travel only on grass , so if you stand on a rock , it can't reach you , and vice-versa
12:25.43Arrowmasterwe tank him in the grass with his back right against a hill and our melee stands on that one
12:26.05keissevl: i can post a filefront movie of us doing it ...
12:26.52evlkeiss: would be great :)
12:28.16Arrowmasterbah, 8:30am i should goto bed
12:28.20keissevl: http://files.filefront.com/Archimonde+2008+03+05avi/;9776443;/fileinfoc.html
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12:34.46Fisker-giev starcraft 2 beta :<
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12:35.27Fisker-you don't have trash after the 4th boss right?
12:35.38keissno
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12:44.02Grumkeiss: it seems that the raid gets 0 flames like that
12:45.02keissGrum: yes, only 1 flame on the full on the grass , and the melee has to be a bit cautious , a minor disadvantage is that the MT sometimes stands in 3 flames at the same time , but since theres almost no raid healing u can put all healers on him ...
12:45.10keisss/full/pull/
12:45.49Grumthat is creative abuse of game mechanics
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12:46.40CIA-903ammo * r64132 10SmoothQuest/SmoothQuest.lua: SmoothQuest: should not be locale dependant now.
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12:51.12keissGrum: we are aware that thats not how blizzard 'meant' it ... but its a sure 1shot so ... 5/5 4/9 in 3.5hrs ftw :)
12:51.39Grumi almost read 9/9 there
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12:59.54Fisker-man
12:59.58Fisker-archimonde looks too easy
13:00.13[Ammo]the idea is easy
13:00.18[Ammo]now to get 25 non retards in 1 raid :)
13:00.20keissit looks , but it can get frustrating :)
13:00.27keisswhat ammo said :D
13:00.40[Ammo]if you're not experienced in the fight then 1 death is almost certain wipe
13:00.58Fisker-well
13:01.01Fisker-that's kinda like vashj
13:01.06[Ammo]no
13:01.12keissnah ... u can loose 2-3 ppl there
13:01.24[Ammo]lose one on archimonde -> 4k raid damage
13:01.34Fisker-perhaps if you're stupidly overgeared
13:01.37[Ammo]lose one more -> another 4k
13:01.41Fisker-yeah i know
13:01.44[Ammo]it's a chain reaction
13:01.50[Ammo]at vashj yuo can lose 2-3 easily
13:01.58[Ammo]even without outgearing the fight
13:02.01keissnot to mention u can get silenced from it (dont remember which classes)
13:02.16Elsiait's more like vael. you can survive one soul charge, and once recovered another, but it's certainly a real strain. and the silence one almost guarantees a wipe
13:02.28thulveal meat.
13:02.29thul:-D
13:02.34Fisker-vael?
13:02.36Elkanobored? http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1770138
13:02.51Fisker-OWLD
13:03.04Fisker-btw
13:03.07ElkanoI know... still good ^^
13:03.23Fisker-does he keep the spell or will a combat ress remove it?
13:03.26baer_*lol*
13:03.38keissFisker-: keeps
13:03.42Fisker-alright
13:04.00baer_btw, Fisker-: archimonde IS easy (if no one dies).
13:04.40Fisker-so basically he just fears, do flames and throw people in the air if noone dies?
13:04.43baer_you don't need brutal dps at least & the pvp insignia help a lot to break fears.
13:04.50sicaFisker-: yep
13:04.55baer_Fisker-: right.
13:05.04baer_sounds easy, but needs training.
13:05.14keissno room for error
13:05.27sicaas ranged-dps, it's like avoid flames > avoid being feared into flames > (dispelling) > damage
13:05.42baer_yep.
13:05.43Bruners!rating 1465
13:05.43Xinhuan1465 rating gives 336(5s), 295(3s) and 255(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)
13:06.14Bruners!rating 1622
13:06.15Xinhuan1622 rating gives 494(5s), 435(3s) and 376(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc)
13:06.51baer_sica: i would suggest: avoid being feared into flames > avoid flames > ...
13:07.15baer_since it's easier to position before the fear.
13:07.19sicabaer_: yeah, okay, that's true
13:07.33durcynmore like "kick the bads out of the raid, win"
13:08.16sicait all comes down to - move, don't suck, win
13:08.25baer_yes
13:08.41keisslets not forget airburst ... and ... 'ooops , lag'
13:08.51harldephinis baseMip obsolete?
13:08.52baer_Fisker-: you are asking because the first day at archimonde comes close?
13:09.09harldephinor what's the difference between baseMip "0" and baseMip "1"
13:09.40baer_keiss: *grr* you are absolutely right - many players experience a lag-phenomena when being throwed into the air.
13:10.00baer_but talking about dps: http://wowwebstats.com/us1fkthan1xzs?s=11164-11527
13:10.01sicayeah, it's ALWAYS lag
13:10.17baer_it's not a dps-fight, the boss simply got a 10mins enrage timer. :-D
13:10.19Fisker-yeah baer_ :P
13:10.21[Ammo]'oops I hit my whatever the fuck key instead of the tear of the godess'
13:10.27Fisker-might take a look at him this tuesday
13:10.29baer_Fisker-: take a look at the wws.
13:10.42baer_we had our firstkill last week.
13:11.15baer_it took pretty long to explain ppl NOT running full dps and let 'em simply reposition instead of dps'ing.
13:12.19Fisker-for flames or what?
13:12.37[Ammo]yeah flames + fear can be a killer
13:12.40baer_yup, as stated before "not dying > ALL"
13:12.42[Ammo]dps is not an issue at all
13:12.53[Ammo]yuo can do this boss in your blue dungeon set
13:12.56[Ammo](apart frmo the tank)
13:12.58Fisker-yeah only 4,7m hp
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13:13.10sicayeah, it's much easier if ranged-dps avoids being feared into flames at all, too much group damage can wipe you here
13:13.11nevcairiel[Ammo]: HP helps too =P
13:13.12baer_we killed that guy in 6:03 mins without anyone running more than 60% of his/her normal rotation.
13:13.19Fisker-how much damage does the fire do?
13:13.43sica~1,5k every 2s
13:13.47[Ammo]more :)
13:13.51[Ammo]first tick is 2400
13:13.54[Ammo]second tick 2200
13:13.57[Ammo]third tick 2000
13:13.58[Ammo]etc
13:13.59[Ammo]approx
13:14.09baer_way tooo much to heal more than mt & 2 or 3 players
13:14.12[Ammo]so intial burst is high and then it becomes less
13:14.33kenlyric300 first aid book is BoP?
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13:14.58sicakenlyric: uhm, no
13:15.01Fisker-wasn't in the beginning atleast
13:15.03kenlyricsweeet
13:15.18sicajust checked on wowhead, still isn't
13:16.15kenlyricgotta love skills. 300 first aid. 300 skinning. 170 mining
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13:17.12kenlyricshit, triage is gone in 2.4?
13:17.19kenlyricfucking casuals
13:17.43baer_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rb8aOzy9t4
13:18.39Fisker-lets whine kenlyric
13:18.49kenlyrictriage is fun
13:18.53kenlyricbooks are boring
13:19.04Fisker-least they can do is to remove the stupid fishing quest for 225-300 skill
13:19.06Fisker-I HAET IT
13:19.07kenlyricnow, getting rid of the 300 fishing quest would be awesome
13:19.16Fisker-cause you have to fish for HOURS with no skill gains
13:19.17kenlyricSEE SYNERGY
13:19.18Brunershaha
13:19.48keissFisker-: you get to meet Nat Pagle ... how can you hate it ? :)
13:20.02kenlyricin my guild bank: 7 copies of "gift of the wild"
13:20.18Fisker-That i have to fish for a billion years without having any chance to gain skillpoints
13:20.21kenlyricpretty sure they get that from trainers now
13:20.35Fisker-if i could get skillpoints then that would be awesome
13:20.50keissive done it so long ago ... dont remember
13:20.51kenlyriclike let you get it at 200, like all other professions
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14:03.18Snagolol http://www.wowace.com/wiki/User:HunterOfWhelps
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14:06.15baer_anyone knows a good (&free) web-platform for publishing hd-movies ?
14:06.50kagaroapache? or you want streaming stuff in it ?
14:07.38baer_actually i want to upload my guilds gameplay videos in bt & mh; did that on stage6.com before...
14:07.38CIA-903pettigrow * r64136 10LibBabble-Spell-3.0/frFR.lua: LibBabble-Spell-3.0: frFR Update
14:07.53baer_and i don't want to host by myself. :o)
14:08.28kagaroyou tube?
14:08.51kagaroit supports hd movies
14:09.04baer_kagaro: are you sure?
14:09.27kagarothey added the support for it i thought, i watch high quality youtube at times on my apple tv
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14:10.21kagarogo take a look baer_
14:10.23kenlyriclol
14:10.32baer_hmm... the uploads seem to be limited to 10 mins and/or 1024mb.
14:10.34kenlyrictourguide just had me fly to grom'gol then booty bay
14:10.44baer_just log'ed into my youtube-account.
14:10.54kenlyricguess it wanted me to see the grom'gol scenery?
14:11.20sicabaer_: filefront.com
14:11.35baer_sica: is it free?
14:11.48sicayeah
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14:12.54baer_i don't see a catch, where is it? :)
14:13.15sicadownload-speed is not the fastest
14:13.52sicamaybe it's just me, but I never get more than 100kb/s from filefront servers
14:14.39baer_wow, seems great to me. uploading with 3,3Mbps
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14:16.51baer_sica: seems to be a local problem to you then... currently downloading with ~4MB/s
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14:17.21sica:(
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14:18.20baer_maybe some local dsl issue? :-}
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14:19.04sicayeah, maybe, stupid Deutsche Telekom >.<
14:19.04baer_god, i'll hate it - since beginning of april i'll have a dsl lite-connection -.-
14:19.14baer_*hehe* t-online ftw.
14:19.30Industrial25mbit down 2.5 up :p
14:19.49sica2mbit down, 192kbit up, yay :(
14:19.54kenlyricMORE PORN
14:20.00Industrial^^
14:20.02baer_384kbit down+up. -.-
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14:20.06Industrialanime atually but..
14:20.21kenlyricmy roommate tries to make gaming argument for upgrading from 6mbps to 12 mbps
14:20.26baer_whatev; pr0n is pr0n!
14:20.35kenlyricnothing but porn requires that speed.
14:20.57sicasooner or later, you'll realize, porn is boring and not worth downloading
14:21.00baer_so, where's the problem?
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14:21.48ReAnk, i've never used Ace before, I did some wow ui programming back in the day w/ the standard lua/xml stuff, can someone tell me why the hell no grid mods i find have any .xml other than embeds? how exactly does one make visual ui elements with Ace2, is there some kind of magic im missing, plz dont hurt me... it's 8am and i havent slept yet >_<
14:22.15JY`kenlyric: my roommate is sucking 150GB / month with anime
14:22.20vhaarrAce2 doesn't help you with UI programming
14:22.23Snagoyou can make frames with lua these days
14:22.25JY`actually hes watching anime all day long
14:22.33vhaarrReAn: CreateFrame is the new XML
14:22.38kenlyricanime, porn, same thing.
14:22.54ReAni see...
14:23.44ReAni think my head is about to explode :(
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14:25.09vhaarrReAn: Note that you can still use XML, just like before.
14:25.18vhaarrso you don't have to relearn anything
14:25.37ReAnwell i've made the jump into Ace, so i might as well learn new stuff
14:25.47ReAnim sure there's a reason CreateFrame is better than old XML
14:25.49vhaarrAce2 has nothing to do with UI
14:25.52ReAni know
14:26.14vhaarrWoW's UI XML parsing used to be dread slow
14:26.20vhaarraround the times CreateFrame was introduced
14:26.23vhaarrbut it's better now
14:26.38nevcairielits mainly only a matter of personal preference if you use XML or CreateFrame
14:26.40vhaarryou can create anonymous frames with CreateFrame
14:26.42vhaarrindeed
14:27.22ReAnAceOO is a good library to use to build "Classes" that can represent visual elements right?
14:27.34nevcairielno
14:27.38nevcairielits not a good library
14:27.40vhaarryou should forget about aceoo, you don't need it
14:27.45ReAnlol
14:27.53ReAnWhat's wrong w/ AceOO
14:28.00nevcairielits not needed
14:28.07nevcairieluse a simple metatable for inheritance
14:34.42evlmetatables are voodoo
14:36.10Grumnothing wrong with metatable oo .. but its a bit .. well .. scary :D
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14:37.50nevcairielits the same thing with AceOO, you just get a API on top of it
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14:38.29CIA-9FuBar_TopScoreFu:
14:38.29CIA-9- UTF8.
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14:42.42ZorkmidDoes anyone here play WoW ?
14:42.56ChompersWoW?
14:43.05ZorkmidWorld of Warcraft
14:43.18nevcairielWhats World of Warcraft?
14:43.20Chompersis that a linux distro?
14:43.34Zorkmidits the reason my cuz is fat and mooching off me :P
14:43.54nevcairielOhh that
14:44.16evlZorkmid: Or you could stop force-feeding him cheese doodles like a god damn animal?
14:44.41Zorkmidhaha
14:47.22ZorkmidHow can I get an account banned ?
14:47.53nevcairielyour own?
14:48.03Zorkmidyea
14:48.17evlSounds like your own since you want to get it banned and not frozen
14:48.24Zorkmidfrozen ?
14:48.31evlYou can freeze it in account management
14:48.37evlOr set parental locks?
14:48.45sicago into alterac valley and start telling stories about the holocaust and how funny you think it is
14:49.01Zorkmidevl, I did all that and he undoes them somehow
14:49.04nevcairielcontact a GM for some stupid reason, then insult him alot
14:49.10evlZorkmid: You cannot undo parental controls on an  account.
14:49.18Zorkmidtrust me
14:49.22evlZorkmid: But here's a new idea for bringing up children, talk to them?
14:49.29Zorkmidhes not a child
14:49.31Zorkmidand he wont listen
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14:49.43Chompersdo you pay for it?
14:49.56Zorkmidno, but I pay for his food and shelter
14:49.57nevcairielanyway, you cannot remove parental controls unless you know the parental password
14:49.59Chompersif so, cancell the payment on the card
14:50.07evlCancel his food and shelter?
14:50.15Zorkmidhaha
14:50.18evlSeems like you are avoiding a pretty basic problem here
14:50.22Zorkmidhis mom and dad wouldnt like that
14:50.34ZorkmidI tell him all the time
14:50.35evlThen tell them he's sucked into a evil world filled with demons and ZOMGs
14:50.37Zorkmidhe wont fucking stop
14:50.53Zorkmidcan one of you guys log on his thing and get it banned ?
14:51.03nevcairieljust delete his char
14:51.05nevcairielor something
14:51.07evlOkay, here's another idea; if he's this addicted, what do you think the first thing he would do after getting banned would be?
14:51.19evlYes, he would get another account
14:51.23Zorkmidtry and make a new
14:51.29Zorkmiddont they ban his IP ?
14:51.32evlNo
14:51.32nevcairielno
14:51.45evlHe can create as many accounts as he wants as long as he has money
14:51.49evlBut throw his ass out?
14:51.52evlAnd tell his parents?
14:52.01sicayou could get him a therapist
14:52.01Zorkmidhis parents know
14:52.11evlTell them to fix it?
14:52.12evlThey made him?
14:52.13Zorkmidfuck therapy, just get a life.
14:52.31Chomperswhy does it matter if he plays?
14:52.39Zorkmidcuz its ALL he does
14:52.48Zorkmidhes stinking up my fucking apartment
14:52.49genetikso?
14:52.53genetikkick him out if you don't like it
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14:53.01genetik[10:50] < evl> Seems like you are avoiding a pretty basic problem here
14:53.01Zorkmidhe's family
14:53.04Zorkmidand hes broke
14:53.22Zorkmidall he has is a laptop and a WoW account
14:53.23evlAnd if he stopped playing wow and started knitting that would solve what problem?
14:53.25Zorkmidand some socks
14:53.38evlNothing, it would solve nothing
14:53.47evlHe'd find some other game, bla bla
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14:53.52Zorkmidevl, I doubt he'll do anything else until he stops playing
14:54.07ZorkmidWoW doesnt count as a game
14:54.22nevcairielforce him to sell his account and laptop, then he isnt broke anymore .)
14:54.25evl;)
14:54.30Zorkmidhaha
14:54.32Zorkmidforce ?
14:54.37nevcairielsell for him
14:54.38nevcairielor so
14:54.44ZorkmidI cant force anything
14:54.50evllol?
14:54.56Zorkmidhes a 300 pounder
14:54.56evlIt's your god damn appartment?
14:55.04ZorkmidI know
14:55.10evlWhat kind of parents are these?
14:55.10ZorkmidBut I owe his parents
14:55.12evl(no offense)
14:55.28Zorkmidparents that are sick of a lazy ass unemployed 23 year old I guess
14:55.32ZorkmidI dont blame them
14:55.49evlSo they transferred their problem over to you
14:56.01Zorkmidsort of
14:56.03evlSounds like you lose :)
14:56.14Zorkmidso WoW wont ban him eh
14:56.21Zorkmidcan my ISP ban warcraft ?
14:56.25evlNo
14:56.39sicaclose the ports for WoW on your internet router?
14:56.43Zorkmidthey cant just block the port like I did thru my router ?
14:56.54evlsica: any 23 year old kid can work around that in 15 mins
14:57.02ZorkmidIve done that, but he just resets the router when I go to work
14:57.04evlShut off your internet?
14:57.25Zorkmidhe'd be like, I need the net to jobsearch !
14:57.35genetikseriously.. if you have that much of a problem with his lifestyle, just kick him out
14:57.38sica-.-
14:57.40evlAgreed
14:57.50genetikfamily or not, it's not your problem
14:57.53ZorkmidI dont mind the kid, I just want him off crack
14:58.01evlIf he wants to job search he can use some library comp
14:58.24evlOr if he wants to play WoW he can play somewhere else
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14:59.07evlI'd say cutting your net access at home would either stop him from playing or get him to move out
14:59.09Zorkmidwell, his story for the record:  Professional lacrosse player to 300 pound slob in under one year of WoW.
14:59.09evlYou win anywya :D
14:59.13Zorkmid:(
14:59.14Zorkmidbye
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15:03.12Zorkmidanyone want a free WoW account ?
15:03.25ChaudI wish =(
15:03.46ChaudWaiting to reactivate till wednesday
15:04.39Chaudwhy not just sell the account?
15:04.53ZorkmidIm selling it now
15:04.55Zorkmidfor free
15:05.04Chaudget money for it from the chinamen 0o
15:05.12Zorkmidnah
15:05.40sicajust change the password and freeze it
15:05.50ZorkmidI dont wanna do it myself
15:05.59ZorkmidI wanna pass it off like someone stole it
15:06.12Chaudrofl
15:06.49nevcairiellogin, sell all items, and give the gold to some random person
15:06.57nevcairielthats how account look when they got hacked
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15:07.08Ordogyeah screw the random person!
15:07.10Ordog;P
15:07.28Chaudgive the gold to me kthx, I can be random =p
15:07.39Zorkmidchaud
15:07.40Zorkmidtake it
15:07.47ZorkmidCraiger37/bellies37
15:07.53ChaudI would feel bad screwing him over =\
15:08.05Zorkmidbut you'd still do it right
15:08.10nevcairiellol
15:08.18sicaI really doubt that will get his lazy ass up...
15:08.22Chompersthis sounds so suspect
15:08.33Chaudof course
15:08.36Zorkmidi dont care sica
15:08.39Chaudbut I would have to open a proxy =\
15:08.48Ordogif you dont complain about it nobody would bother looking into the logs
15:08.51Chaud*program
15:09.19Zorkmidanyone ever had an account stolen ?
15:09.21ReAnis there a windows-based BLP viewer?
15:09.58sicaactually I doubt you can be busted for deleting everything from this account, you didn't hack the password or something, there's nothing illegal about it
15:10.09Zorkmidanyone ever had an account stolen ?
15:10.29ChaudI'm just going to proxy it and see whats there
15:10.39sicano, I don't share my password with anyone :)
15:10.40Chaudreactivating tomorrow, dont want to compromise my account =p
15:10.48Chauderr, wednesday =\
15:10.52ChaudI keep forgetting today is monday
15:11.01OrdogReAn google knows! :) and blizz released its own tool for that anyway
15:11.06Stanzillano lvl 70 char :(
15:11.40OrdogXnView is said to handle them fine too
15:11.41ReAnOrdog: really?
15:11.43Chaudno BC or ?
15:12.03ReAnbtw: google points me to MAC answers
15:13.09genetikMac
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15:13.48ChaudPayment on this account has been canceled‚ however this account can be used for playing until the current subscripton period ends
15:14.49Stanzillalol
15:14.54Stanzillaguild bank is full of greens
15:14.58nevcairiellol
15:15.07Stanzilla2 tabs full of greens
15:15.18Fisker-There's no permissions for players being able to edit their own notes right?
15:15.24Chaudso trash accnt?
15:15.25Fisker-Only a permission for editing all notes?
15:15.25OrdogReAn check http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/tools.php and http://www.wc3campaigns.net/resources.php?f=617
15:15.26Stanzillaand 8 slot bags
15:15.27Stanzillalawl
15:15.34nevcairielFisker-: right
15:15.53Stanzillaand the lvl 60 has 10 gold
15:15.56Stanzillaawesome..
15:15.58Chaudrofl
15:16.18Chaudthat guy still in here?
15:16.19nevcairiellol
15:16.24nevcairielno he left
15:16.30ChaudCanada
15:16.39Stanzilla35 now
15:16.41Stanzillahe had mail :D
15:16.56Chaudzomg maybe it has 10k gold
15:17.29Stanzillalet's write the char an ingame mail
15:17.37Chaudrofl
15:17.43baer_*lol*
15:18.21Chaudwtf
15:18.22Chaud
15:18.22Chaud
15:18.22ChaudYou must log your account out of the game to continue.
15:18.33Chaud=\ stupid copy/paste fail
15:18.34nevcairielwhat did you do?
15:18.51Chaudpaid name change
15:19.10Chaudwont work though, no CC on accnt
15:19.25nevcairielmaybe that guy cancelled the account
15:19.28nevcairielor something
15:19.43Chaudyeah, it was canceled when I logged in
15:19.50Stanzillaif this guy really plays WoW all the time
15:19.54Stanzillawhat the hell is he doing?
15:19.58ChaudDecember 14, 2007 1:35 PM PST
15:20.02Chaudaccount creation date
15:20.12Chaudhow do you not get 70 by now
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15:20.15Chaudit is a BC enabled account
15:20.15Xinhuanwait someone gave his account away?
15:20.20Chaudyeah
15:20.24Chaudyou cant have it =|
15:20.32Xinhuanwhat server
15:20.41Chaudit is 60 and like in trash gear
15:20.45Chaudwith 10g
15:21.06ChaudI can post on the forums with it =)
15:21.12Stanzilla35g please..
15:21.14Stanzillahe had mail :P
15:21.19nevcairielhahah
15:21.21genetik"so sex the girl!"
15:21.36Chaudcheck his friends list
15:21.49sicaif he didn't even hit 70, he will just create a new account and start over ;)
15:22.00EvilJohnwait
15:22.11EvilJohnis this the "profesional wow player"'s account?
15:22.14EvilJohnI smell a rat
15:22.20Chaudyes
15:22.43Stanzillalool
15:22.49Stanzilla"GinnyPotter" is on his friends list
15:22.53nevcairiellol
15:22.55EvilJohnheh
15:23.11Stanzillaand Mr. "herryniples"
15:23.11EvilJohnthat's just so wow
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15:23.19sicalol
15:23.24genetikEvilJohn: i smell a wumpus
15:23.33Stanzillaand "priestgirl" for sure..
15:23.40genetikelfwarrior
15:23.42Chaudlol
15:23.46EvilJohnheh
15:23.52Chaudhe has like 15 characters
15:24.02Stanzillathe guildmaster is lvl 56
15:24.06EvilJohndarknight the warlock?
15:24.19Stanzillanah
15:24.21StanzillaSilverace
15:24.24Stanzillathe warrior
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15:24.43Chompershas anyone read 'the road' by cormac mccarthy?
15:25.11Chompersi just reached the bandit camp place, where they pry open the locked door...jesus christ
15:25.19Chaudanggar the rogue, beaststlker the hunter, cpr the shammy, dusk the mage, duskkiller rogue, duskknight warrior, duskwalker pally, nightstlker the druid, rockuza hunter, snowstlker the hunter
15:25.33Chaudhe has a problem coming up with new names
15:25.54EvilJohnanger management problems
15:25.55genetikbeaststlker
15:25.55Stanzillayup^^
15:25.56genetikclassic
15:26.07EvilJohnI'm going to roll one of those right now
15:26.10EvilJohnyou know
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15:26.20genetikEvilJohn: rename linas
15:26.20Chaudhe has a 60, 40, and some 20s
15:26.28Chaudsince dec.
15:26.30EvilJohnwe could all log into the account one at a time, and it locked for account sharing
15:26.42Stanzilla*autosorts his inventory*
15:26.42Chauduse a proxy
15:26.45EvilJohnrename linas? never!
15:26.46baer_someone here knows a nifty alternative to "adobe aftereffects" ?
15:27.14hastedepends on what you use it for
15:27.33baer_actually i want to use it to make some nice intros to my guild videos.
15:27.43hastethen I don't know
15:27.55EvilJohnthough I still think Toothdk is the best name for a Death Knight
15:28.46Chaud....urbadk.
15:28.51baer_BootsDK is the best name. ^^
15:29.01baer_or simply "tito"
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15:31.33MiyariAnyone around that can identify what generated my newly acquired tiny box after updating my addons: http://www.nordrassil.org/mysterybox.jpg  ?
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15:32.34EvilJohnno idea
15:32.37[Ammo]Grid?
15:32.53EvilJohndoesn't it put you in it by default?
15:33.04MiyariNot Grid
15:33.36Chaudon april fools day people should upload versions of their addons that make random boxes / things go wrong on peoples UI
15:33.40MiyariI just disabled Grid I'm going to relog and see if it's still sticking around. I can hold down left mouse and drag it around.
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15:33.45MiyariLOL
15:33.46Chaudor just any day in general
15:33.52Miyariyes.
15:34.17MiyariIt'd be like Naxxramas days all over again :P
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15:34.36Miyari</3 having to totally switch raid frames in the middle of a raid.
15:35.52MiyariAw, I relogged and thought it was gone only to realize it recented itself and I couldn't tell because I'm in shadowform and didn't see it. :(
15:36.13StanzillaXinhuan: ^^
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15:37.44Stanzillanice guild you have there, Xinhuan :P
15:37.46Xinhuanstan
15:37.47Xinhuansince when
15:37.49Stanzillayup
15:38.06Xinhuancan a euro client log on a us one, just changing the realmlist.wtf works?
15:38.16Stanzillayeah that works
15:39.20CIA-903kunda * r64141 10BugSack/BugSack-deDE.lua: BugSack: minor deDE fixes
15:39.45Xinhuani completed 5/5 t6 today hehe
15:39.51XinhuanBUT NO SPINELS
15:40.01Miyari:(
15:40.12ChaudI completed today's physics class today.
15:40.22MiyariNo spinels there, either?
15:40.37MiyariPhysics class probably has a better droprate than BT/Hyjal combined.
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15:40.58Xinhuanits ok
15:41.01Xinhuannext patch
15:41.04Miyarisave your badges ^^
15:41.15Xinhuankarazhan will drop 15 gauranteed spinels
15:41.17MiyariI'll be pissed if I end up having to use badges on spinels lol
15:41.36Xinhuango read risen website hehe
15:41.45EvilJohni did read that
15:41.46Xinhuani have some 450 of them badges
15:41.58Chaudwtf
15:42.01StanzillaXinhuan: I'm on teh way to your guild bank! watch out! :P
15:42.04EvilJohni think they've got a valid point about some things, but a lot of it is qq
15:42.10Xinhuaninitiates can't see guild bank Stanzilla :D
15:42.36Miyarilol
15:42.40Miyarii think i remember reading like
15:42.43Miyarithe exact same bitchfit
15:42.52Miyaribarely weeks after BT came out?
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15:43.02CIA-903kunda * r64142 10!BugGrabber/BugGrabber.lua: !BugGrabber: deDE update
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15:43.05Xinhuani like the
15:43.14Xinhuan10 spinels > 9 emerald + 1 lionseye
15:43.19Xinhuancomparison
15:43.42Miyarihaha
15:43.43Miyarithat reminds me
15:43.54StanzillaXinhuan:  :( promote me!
15:44.27Miyarihttp://www.nordrassil.org/NOMNOM.jpg
15:44.35MiyariXinhuan: What emeralds!
15:44.38Miyari:/
15:44.51Xinhuanthe gem that i have some 50+ off
15:44.54Xinhuanof*
15:44.56Xinhuanin the bank
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15:45.09Chaudwtf gold
15:45.26Miyarithe one we have 171+ of in ours :/
15:45.31Miyariss is weeks old
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15:45.53XinhuanAND NO SPINELS
15:46.00Miyarilol
15:46.07Miyarithere's actually 12 in that ss i hear its none now though
15:46.10Miyarii know i scored 3 over the past month
15:46.26ramoz[Ammo]: i get a nil error from SmoothQuest
15:46.35ramozat line 174
15:47.22[Ammo]oh
15:47.25[Ammo]when does that happen
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15:48.00Xinhuanit happens when line 173 gets executed
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15:48.32[Ammo]nice one Xin
15:48.39Xinhuan:)
15:49.14CIA-903ammo * r64143 10SmoothQuest/SmoothQuest.lua: SmoothQuest: guard against nil numNeeded
15:49.15[Ammo]try that Ramoz --^
15:49.38ramoz[Ammo]: at login and when i brows quests
15:49.38ramozwill do
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15:51.26StanzillaXinhuan: I donated 3x  [Tough Jerky] to your guild bank!
15:51.31Xinhuanlol
15:52.08[Ammo]ramoz: happen to have a reputation quest in your log?
15:52.38ramozyes
15:52.47ramozstill missing 300 rep for scales of sand =(
15:53.08[Ammo]ah yeah
15:53.10CIA-903ammo * r64144 10SmoothQuest/SmoothQuest.lua: SmoothQuest: bugfix
15:53.11[Ammo]that might be it :)
15:53.57[Ammo]I'll check on my warlock later on, should have  afaction quest there
15:56.57ReAncan i add variables to Frames i create? or am i just on crack?
15:57.09hasteframes are just metatables
15:57.10hasteso yes
15:57.44CIA-903arith * r64145 10AtlasLoot/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
15:57.44CIA-9AtlasLoot:
15:57.44CIA-9- update loottables to externalize some mob's text to contant, update de and zh-tw translation
15:57.54ReAnso if i go f = CreateFrame("Button"..........); and then go f.myVar = 3; inside a script for that button i can call self.myVar and get 3?
15:58.11Zeksieyes
15:58.16ReAnhot
15:58.48Stanzillaoh noes
15:58.55Stanzillasomeone changed the password :(
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16:00.52Chaud=\
16:00.58ChaudI was thinking about it earlier
16:01.00Xinhuanaww is that why i went offline
16:01.06Xinhuanu*
16:01.25Xinhuanwas about to trade you 88k gold ;p
16:01.38Stanzilla:D
16:02.43Stanzillawell you can still do that on the PTR :P
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16:05.05Xinhuanus ptr ~= eu ptr
16:05.18StanzillaI can go to the us ptr, too
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16:05.32Xinhuanbut you can't copy there ;p
16:05.33Stanzillawith my awesome lvl 1 char!
16:05.35Stanzillayeah
16:05.35Stanzilla:D
16:05.55Xinhuanit was funny
16:06.00Xinhuancos i logged off to log on Xinmuletwo
16:06.04Xinhuanto mail myself some primals
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16:07.23ChaudI'm glad PTRs just update auth server every major patch or so =p
16:07.23ChaudTTR yesterday gave me something to do
16:07.38Stanzillalol :P
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16:14.15ramozslow svn =(
16:15.11EvilJohnis it possible to scale the size of the raid icons?
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16:18.59HjalteDoes anyone have experiences with the recent Forte Warlock? I suspected it of lowering my fps when I used it last, a couple of months back, but I might want to try it again.
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16:21.08CIA-903nevcairiel 07Ace3 * r64146 10Bartender4/Bartender4/ (5 files): Bartender4: set override bindings on Bar1, ShapeshiftBar, PetBar
16:21.22Groktarthere's a bartender 4?
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16:22.56ZorkmidNobody took my cuzs free account !
16:22.57Zorkmidlol
16:23.32OlisonYour what?
16:23.43StanzillaZorkmid: I played with it
16:23.49Stanzillabut someone changed the password
16:24.06Groktarthere's no .toc file in it
16:24.08Groktar:(
16:24.09Zorkmidreally ?
16:24.13Stanzillayup
16:24.17Zorkmidyou should have changed it
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16:24.28StanzillaI'm not that mean :P
16:24.31Zorkmidmy cuz prolly did
16:25.21Chaudrofl
16:25.38Zorkmidnow wtf do I do
16:25.40Zorkmid:(
16:25.40ChaudSo how does he only have a level 60 after so long
16:25.44Matrix110you posted your cousins acc data here?
16:25.45p3limhttp://www.darklegacycomics.com/128.jpg
16:25.50p3limlove that one
16:26.05Zorkmidyea
16:26.12ZorkmidCraiger37/bellies37
16:26.19Zorkmidapparently its changed
16:26.26Zorkmidtry provchamp or provchamps
16:27.05Chaudim still logged in to the accnt management of it
16:27.30Zorkmidlol
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16:28.14StanzillaZorkmid: not working :P
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16:29.14zaplp3lim: you killed that site :p gives 503 now
16:29.26p3limhehe
16:29.35p3limbeen puking 503's all day, too much load
16:30.02p3limmmo-champ just put up a link, in all this 2.4 mess they have shown there is just too many viewers
16:30.29Chauddarn those guyz.
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16:31.47chiperooo, new portals
16:32.39Chaudlook at the videos
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16:33.26CIA-903snago * r64147 10IHML/locales/ (4 files):
16:33.26CIA-9IHML:
16:33.26CIA-9- Note to self: Don't commit what you code at 7 am.
16:33.51chiperwtf...  blink mana cost changed to 21% of mana?  are you kidding me?
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16:34.40Zorkmidchaud?
16:34.44Zorkmidso what did ya do ?
16:34.44nevcairiel_base_ mana chiper
16:35.08Xinhuanbase mana = naked mana
16:35.18chiperthat still seems high
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16:35.33Matrix110chiper its buffed its 16% atm
16:35.38Matrix110*15
16:35.57Matrix1102 weeks ago they wanted to reduce it to 212
16:36.08Matrix110and now buff it to almost 700 :D
16:36.37harldephinmy Cartographer_Routes refuses to show routes on my minimap though it did show them until recently.
16:36.42Chaudcouldnt do anything
16:36.42chiperthats not a buff, it's a nerf
16:36.54Chauddont have a password to change it with
16:36.56Matrix110the mana cost is buffed ;) :P
16:37.22chiperwe arent trading stock here, higher cost is not better
16:37.24Zorkmidchaud?  check ur PMs
16:37.48Matrix110Higher=buffed mana cost went up = buffed even if its a Mage nerf :P
16:38.05Matrix110just depends on the perspective :P
16:38.07kergothi think you need a new definition of 'buffed'
16:38.38harldephinor maybe another word
16:39.11harldephinlike "increased" or something.
16:39.27Nandiniis thre an oRA module that lets you save a raid group configuration and then apply that group configuration inside a BG, for premades for example
16:40.08Nandinii've been using this addon called "Dopie's PvP Tracker" to do that, but it just occurred to me, oRA might be able to do that already and I just never figured out how
16:40.21Matrix110nope
16:40.31Matrix110and any Addon that can do that fails anyway
16:40.44Nandiniit works as long as you set up the groups when you're not in combat
16:40.52chiperI dont get the random spawn thing they've put on the TTR
16:40.59Matrix110i remember having this addon back in Naxx time that on use gave EVERYONE in the raid (even those without the addon) a 30sec freeze :D
16:41.03chiperis this just to balance the zone load?
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16:41.43Nandiniyes and so ppl with low horsepower computers don't log in to a 1 fps nightmare
16:42.12chiperbut the arena masters are still in the cities
16:42.18Xinhuan[3/11 00:36:34] <harldephin> my Cartographer_Routes refuses to show routes on my minimap though it did show them until recently.
16:42.29Xinhuanit sounds like you have a broken VanosKoS
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16:42.41harldephina broken what?
16:42.52cncfanaticshello everyone
16:42.58Xinhuana broken addon that affected routes
16:43.34NandiniMatrix110 this "Dopie's PvP Tracker" addon does a great job of saving and restoring multiple raid configs
16:43.40harldephini don't know what VanosKoS is. i've got to disable and reenable Cartographer_Routes option to show its route on the minimap to have it do that everytime i logout and in again.
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16:43.56Matrix110does it work for example in AV?
16:43.57Xinhuando u have the fubar plugin installed for it
16:44.09Matrix110i remember back in 40man raids those Addons caused insane problems in a full raid
16:44.10Nandinionly if you are the leader in AV
16:44.30Matrix110the mentioned 30sec for everybody in the raid because it moved like 1k people around..
16:44.34Nandinibut if you can manage to lightqueue your group into AV, it works
16:44.40harldephinXinhuan: i've lost you.
16:45.00Nandiniit rearranges 15 players for me in AB/EOTS in the blink of an eye
16:45.02Xinhuanin any case, Cartographer_Routes hasn't got any code changes or updates in the last 4 or so weeks
16:45.17Xinhuanso its something else you installed
16:45.21Nandinithe one time i tried using it in AV, i had problems because people were still joining
16:45.21harldephini realized that already.
16:45.26cncfanaticsSigh; I have to write a text about the dutch media
16:45.27cncfanaticsfail
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16:45.33Xinhuando yu have ROutes_Fu installed?
16:45.34harldephini didn't install anything new in the last few weeks either.
16:45.50harldephinso i'm still where i was before.
16:46.25Nandiniwe ended up having ppl in combat before the entire raid entered, and things got all messed up
16:46.41Nandiniso it probably isn't very practical for use in AV
16:47.31ramoz[Ammo]: working now - also i got a lvl 705 quest (might rename 5mans into something else?)
16:48.03Nandini70g5 is a notation i've seen before
16:48.04RaydenUniyou guys know of any sources saying that WoW uses a modified war3 engine?
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16:48.24CIA-9AtlasLoot:
16:48.24CIA-9- revised tw file to fix Sets not working in zhTW's problem
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16:48.30cncfanaticsRaydenUni: how could wow ever use a modifier war3 engine ,
16:48.34cncfanaticsdoesn't make much sense imho
16:48.38RaydenUnii thought it was built on it
16:48.52cncfanaticsI doubt it is tbh, totaly different style of gfx
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16:48.58Nandinithe rendering has nothing to do with wc3
16:49.01RaydenUniit doesn't make a whole lot of sense but i heard it does
16:49.19ChaudI herd u liek mudkipz too.
16:49.20Nandinihowever, the blp texture format is borrowed, as is the archive format
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16:49.43RaydenUnii can't find anything on it
16:49.46RaydenUnimaybe it was a rumor
16:50.23kenlyrichttp://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/worldofwarcraft/news.html?sid=2810134
16:50.41kenlyricThe game is fully 3D, and its engine shares some elements with the proprietary engine developed for Warcraft III.
16:50.57kenlyric"shares some elements" has been translated into "uses the same engine"
16:51.15cncfanaticsengine shares some elements with the proprietary engine developed for Warcraft III
16:51.18cncfanaticsbullshit :p
16:51.29kenlyric<Nandini>however, the blp texture format is borrowed, as is the archive format
16:51.35kenlyricnandini disagrees with you
16:51.36cncfanaticsthat phrase doesn't mean its the same engine tbh
16:51.41kenlyricyes, I know
16:51.46Nandinii meant borrowed from wc3
16:51.50Nandiniand their earlier games
16:51.53cncfanaticsI know it shares some elemnts ofc
16:51.55kenlyricbut that's how people on WoW forums translate it :)
16:52.05kenlyricand that's how the rumor got started.
16:52.41kenlyricwhat I want to know is that is it true that launch +1day servers really ran on retired battle.net servers :)
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16:52.53Nandinimpq and blp are just proprietary formats blizzard had used effectively in the past and were still suitable for use in wow
16:52.55kenlyricbecause they had to find hardware fast.
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16:53.17kenlyricthat's the rumor i've always enjoyed and found plausible because those servers sucked giant donkey balls
16:55.07kenlyricwould buy more: "the player model becomes transparent when you mouse over so you can click through it to interact with the world. "
16:55.34Nandiniin that gamespot article, it seems like they're saying the elements that are shared are the perspectives used by each engine's camera views
16:55.45CIA-903snago * r64149 10IHML/locales/ (4 files):
16:55.45CIA-9IHML:
16:55.45CIA-9- Fix spelling + more Skettis subzones
16:56.04kenlyricsnago what is it?
16:56.09sag_ich_nichtlawl
16:56.09Nandiniactually if you zoom in through your character, it becomes transparent, so it's not a stretch to think that the earliest betas did that just on mouseover
16:56.17sag_ich_nichtTeleport: Theramore? oh boy!
16:56.27kenlyricI didn't think it was a rumor :)
16:56.29kenlyricI'm saying I want that now
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16:56.45Snago~ihml
16:56.45purlI Have Macro Lol! An addon to automagically switch a macro depending on zone or BigWigs boss module. http://www.wowace.com/wiki/IHML
16:56.53sag_ich_nicht[17:55] <kenlyric> would buy more: "the player model becomes transparent when you mouse over so you can click through it to interact with the world. " <--which it did
16:57.12kenlyricohhhh
16:57.28sag_ich_nichtalso, the mouse code of WoW is a 1:1 ripoff from WC3
16:57.35[Ammo]ramoz: it should be 70g5
16:57.39kenlyricthrow skettis bombs in skettis and ogri'la bombs in ogir'la, without the kudgy  code.
16:57.40sag_ich_nicht(well, it WAS, it isn't now anymore)
16:57.42[Ammo]ramoz: but I'll figure it out
16:57.54Nandiniwtb the deactivated CVAR that controls transparent player model on mouseover!
16:58.11sag_ich_nichtno cvar, it was completely removed very earlier in the game
16:58.13sag_ich_nichtit sucked
16:58.36Nandiniblizzard so very rarely completely removes anything tho, they usually just find a way to turn it off permanently
16:58.42Snagokenlyric: yeah, mainly wrote it for the boss part though but automatic macros for the dailys was a welcome bonus :)
16:59.24kenlyricI have a cludgy "does everything" macro for dailies, but it fails completely if I have booterang or ogri'la bombing and try to do skettis bombing
16:59.37CIA-903kagaro 07Ace3 * r64150 10kgPanelsConfig/PanelHelper.lua: kgPanelsConfig: fixed a cut and paste typo
16:59.47Fisker-YAY
16:59.49Fisker-zerg site up
16:59.50Fisker-http://www.starcraft2.com/features/zerg/main.xml
17:00.02Fisker-kinda fail though :P
17:00.06Nandiniit unit models can highlight on mouseover, i'm sure the engine can still make player models transparent on mouseover, if they would just turn on that option
17:00.16kenlyricwhen I see the word zerg, I think of buggers
17:00.47Zeksiemleh.. still no svn account. :(
17:00.49kenlyricoh, so it is a swarm
17:01.37ChaudSVN is for lulz
17:02.35hastegit is superior!
17:02.53Chaudwhat addon could be causing massive lag when I enter combat on TTR
17:04.11Xinhuana wow addon :)
17:04.15Zeksieheh
17:04.23Zeksiei was trying to think of a smart answer.. that's the one i was after
17:04.35ChaudI disabled parrot =\
17:04.44Xinhuanzeksie did you see my other reply earlier
17:04.50Zeksieemm. prolly not
17:05.05Xinhuan[3/10 23:46:23] <ramoz> [Ammo]: i get a nil error from SmoothQuest
17:05.06Xinhuan[3/10 23:46:32] <ramoz> at line 174
17:05.11Xinhuan[3/10 23:47:19] <@[Ammo]> oh when does that happen
17:05.15Xinhuan[3/10 23:47:57] <Xinhuan> it happens when line 173 gets executed
17:05.44chiperhehe
17:05.51Zeksieok... what's that got to do with me tho?
17:05.59Zeksieoph... nm. i get it ;)
17:05.59kergothsmoothquest?
17:06.19Zeksie< being slow
17:06.22Xinhuanno, i don't know what it does hehe
17:07.12NivFreakso how do people who don't have fubar installed, and no minimap button turned on, get to the bigwigs config menus?
17:07.35Xinhuan/bigwigs
17:07.43NivFreaknope
17:07.57NivFreakat least, it doesn't pop up a window
17:08.03Xinhuanits command line
17:08.05Xinhuanand it works
17:08.12NivFreakI need an idiot proof way
17:08.17kenlyricit should output text
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17:08.22kenlyricyou can read text, right?
17:08.27chiper<PROTECTED>
17:08.28NivFreakI couldn't get some people to turn on flash and shake last night
17:08.31NivFreakI can read fine
17:08.35NivFreakbut there are some people who can't...
17:08.38kenlyricone of the texts will be "options" or "config" or "Window"
17:08.45NivFreakand how do you get bigwigs enabled without fubar? :P
17:08.55p3lim<PROTECTED>
17:08.59chiperit should enable on zonein
17:09.12kenlyricyou'd have to manually turn off the minimap icon, i think
17:09.23kenlyricso they obviously knew how to do that
17:09.25chiperniv: are you sure they actually had it loaded?
17:09.44NeoTronwhen I see flash and shake I can only think of "shake 'n bake"
17:09.48Funkeh`you can /script AceLibrary("Waterfall-1.0"):Open("BigWigs")
17:09.51Funkeh`macroit
17:10.09selckinperagor: gridlayoutplus deosn't dep on talentquery and errors when its not found
17:10.14chiperneo: what's the trick to get magicmarker to add a zone for mob gathering if I'm not a raid assist?
17:10.26Fisker-http://www.starcraft2.com/features/zerg/pylons.xml <-haha
17:10.49chiperfisker: hah
17:10.59Funkeh`@ NivFreak
17:11.59NeoTronchiper:  zone into an instance
17:12.07NeoTronit doesn't care whether or not you're an assistant
17:12.32NeoTronif you want to add a non-instance you have to do it manually: /script MagicMarker:EnableEvents()
17:13.15Sarozmeeeh, why wont tinytip just.. WORK
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17:13.47SarozI have no idea how MagicMarker works, I downloaded it, and.. eh yea, wth
17:14.19Sarozsometimes it says it finds a new mob
17:14.31NeoTronlike.. when it finds a new mob :P
17:14.39kergothgasp
17:14.39Sarozso when does it actually MARK something
17:14.47kergothdid you read the readme?
17:14.48kergoth:P
17:14.51NeoTronbasically if you're group leader, the very basic functionality is just "alt+mouseover" => mark
17:14.53Sarozno
17:14.56SarozI dont do readme files
17:14.59SarozAH!
17:14.59NeoTronno configuration is needed to actually do anything
17:15.02Sarozok ty
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17:15.17NeoTronof course it works hell of a lot better if you DO configure it (/magic)
17:15.44Saroznaise, an options dialog
17:15.45Sarozthats new
17:15.54selckinwhat do i need todo to get all the bar textures back in elkano buffbars :\
17:16.13Stanzillainstall/update SharedMedia
17:16.26Chaudnew proximo is nice =D
17:16.29Sarozah thats pretty clever
17:16.32SarozNeoTron
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17:17.21Sarozso does it print to chat, say "Sheep Cross"
17:17.22Sarozetc
17:17.34kenlyricso when did this design change happen with shared media?
17:17.59selckinStanzilla: thanks, works
17:18.03kenlyricguess I missed it
17:19.03MiyariI'm tossing the mystery box back out there :( http://www.nordrassil.org/mysterybox.jpg
17:19.12RaydenUnieating food doesn't break on dots?
17:19.15MiyariKnowing that it could be any of this http://www.nordrassil.org/addons.jpg hurts me
17:19.16RaydenUnilike poison?
17:19.23MiyariNo
17:19.28RaydenUniwoah
17:19.28kergothMiyari:  lol, i hate it when that happens
17:19.30RaydenUnii never knew this
17:19.34RaydenUnithis changes everything
17:19.37kergothrandom thing somewhere and not knowing what did it
17:19.45Miyarilol
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17:19.58MiyariI'm afraid to start turning things on and off cause knowing me I'll find a way to break things even worse
17:20.10kergothcan you click on it, or click through it?
17:20.18kergothif you can click on it, you can at least get the frame name, which might be enough
17:20.20MiyariI can hold down left mouse and drag it around
17:20.34kergothmouse over it, do /print GetMouseFocus():GetName9)
17:20.37StanzillaeePanel?
17:20.38kergother, (), not 9)
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17:20.56MiyariThought so
17:21.05MiyariIt's what I thought it was, just not why
17:21.16MiyariIt's Xparky's Legoblock
17:21.43MiyariThough it's toggled off in options
17:21.53NeoTronSaroz: it doesn't no
17:22.05NeoTronSaroz: although being able to report the current state is on the TODO
17:22.18Sarozwould be smart
17:22.24kergothMiyari:  be glad wobin named the frame
17:22.31MiyariI am very :)
17:22.37kergoth:)
17:22.41MiyariI had a feeling that's what it was since it's the only addon I have that's generated anything even remotely similar
17:22.56MiyariIt's not working when I toggle it on either :/
17:23.05NeoTronI've added significant features/improvements every day I've been able to work on it :P
17:23.08NeoTronit's getting there
17:23.09MiyariI named the frame Sparky, it's my new UI pet
17:23.16MiyariSo it's all good
17:23.21NeoTronstill really want 2.4(TM)
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17:32.13CIA-903ackis * r64151 10AckisRecipeList/ (Locals/ARLLocals-enUS.lua RecipeDB/ARL-Engineer.lua):
17:32.13CIA-9AckisRecipeList:
17:32.13CIA-9- Engineering fix
17:33.27CIA-903ackis * r64152 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ARLLocals-enUS.lua:
17:33.27CIA-9AckisRecipeList:
17:33.27CIA-9- Reorged tailoring local in enUS (alphabetized it)
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17:36.40CIA-903nevcairiel 07Ace3 * r64153 10Bartender4/Bartender4/Button.lua: Bartender4: enable <modifier>-selfcast until there is a option to toggle it
17:38.48CIA-903rabbit * r64154 10BananaDKP/BananaDKP.lua: BananaDKP: Bugfix.
17:40.20Chaudthis new proximo is win
17:40.35ChaudI wish I had it on live
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17:43.30NeoTron<PROTECTED>
17:43.30NeoTrona:se ai
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17:49.45Chaudrofl
17:49.57Chaudthis resto druid dueled me when I was trying to take screenshots on TTR
17:50.11Chaudso I accept and stomp him, he puts me on ignore and logs off
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17:53.40chiperneotron: see, I ask this because I've been in Kara twice since I installed it, and it still doesn't list Kara in the mob database.  But it does list elwynn forest and ZA, which I've been group leaders in
17:53.46NeoTronspecifically I guess I want a master instance that is responsible for handing out marks but how to best decide which instance is the master
17:54.10NeoTronchiper: again though, group leader doesn't matter for learning. not sure why it wouldn't be in there
17:54.29Dkleinmh, how long does it ca. take until I get a response for a SVN Account request?
17:54.30NeoTronis it a recent version or the one where it logged everything everywhere?
17:54.33GnarfozNeoTron: Lead > Assist, non-promoted can't mark anyway
17:54.52NeoTronGroktar: well what if the leader doesn't have it?
17:54.58chiperbtw, it might be a good idea to put a note on /magicmarker that you need to type /magic to get the window :P  people don't read readme's :)
17:55.05NeoTrons/Groktar/Gnarfoz/
17:55.09Gnarfozwell? it's a non-issue then, right? ^^
17:55.20NeoTronchiper: if you still have /magicmarker your version is old ;-)
17:55.30NeoTronI removed it since it has no purpose other than confusing people
17:55.31chipermy version is what ever is on WAU
17:55.51NeoTronGnarfoz: scenarion: 3 assists with addon, leader doesn't have it. which assist's addon is the master?
17:56.08kergothi'd think itd be good to make /magicmarker do the same thing as /magic, just for the users diving in without reading the readme, not knowing what the slash command is
17:56.15chiperbut perhaps it changed since I tried the command
17:57.11NeoTronchiper: change 63946  @ 08 March 2008, 13:27:44 -0800 (44 hours ago)
17:57.18Chaud=\ so no more talent inspects in 2.4 arenas?
17:57.30chipersigh, I hate salesmen.  one of the most annoying parts of my job, dealing with the jock sales guys who don't really know the stuff they're selling
17:57.32NeoTronkergoth: could be although ppl need to read the readme :P
17:57.37kergothindeed
17:57.43GnarfozNeoTron: newer version > older version; most detailed settings for this zone > less detailed settings for this zone; after that: first come, first serve - or make it user-designateable
17:57.44chiperneo: mmm,yeah, this was a couple days ago
17:57.44NeoTronbut really wshat I need is a minimap button/fubar thing
17:57.59kergothcould always put a blurb in the options window instead of in the readme though, maybe more people would read it that way
17:58.03chiperneo: yes, a fubar button would be very nice
17:58.18NeoTronkergoth: except ppl open the options window using /magic unless they have a key binding :P
17:58.29NeoTrononce you have a key binding you don't need /magic anyway, atm
17:58.39NeoTronI will however reword the command line interface
17:58.47NeoTronchiper: problem is - fubar + ace3 >:-)
17:59.09kergothi dont see a problem.  make a seperate fubar_magicmarker, make it rock or ace2
17:59.10kergothcall it done
17:59.15NeoTronGnarfoz: I suppose I can build a score
17:59.26Funkeh`NeoTron, Make a statblocks plugins >:)
17:59.27GnarfozNeoTron: yeah, but don't overcomplicate it
17:59.28NeoTronkergoth: yeah thought crossed my mind
17:59.57Josh_Borke~lart Kergoth
17:59.57purlslaps Kergoth upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh
18:00.03GnarfozNeoTron: you could also make it refuse to work unless a master is set
18:00.03NeoTronGnarfoz: just want it to be accurate and preferably automatic
18:00.05kergoth~whaleblock Josh_Borke
18:00.06purlACTION shields Josh_Borke with a freakishly huger whale named ollywag
18:00.11kergothnoo, wrong argument
18:00.27Josh_Borke/flex
18:01.01NeoTronFunkeh`: at this time I don't plan to USE statblocks but making a plugin should be simple enough :P
18:01.11Funkeh`yeah
18:01.16Funkeh`tinkering with a bigwigs one
18:01.21Funkeh`then after 2.4 you can have an icon also
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18:03.23NeoTronhmm but that's a problem... I can't wait on the master to tell the slave how to mark something because it's done on mouse over
18:03.50NeoTronmight just be multi-master - i.e one instance says "I marked FOO with X" and the others marks it as used
18:05.42Sarozthis marking stuff is odd
18:05.45NeoTroncould also be more manual for slaves - i.e "mark my target" button tells the master to "mark raidXtarget"
18:05.49Sarozit wont mark my sheep target correctly
18:06.05NeoTronis there a mage in the party?
18:06.08Sarozye
18:06.19NeoTronturn on at logging to debug at least
18:06.27NeoTronit says how it marks a target.
18:06.32Sarozok
18:06.32KemayoNeoTron: Arrowmaster has a handy framework-independent LibFuBarPlugin-3.0 in branches.
18:06.36NeoTroni.e marked MOB with CC (sheep)
18:06.46NeoTronKemayo: yeah but he told me not to use it "officially" yet
18:07.55Sarozehh marked X with sqaure (CC)
18:08.01Sarozmarked Y with square
18:08.27Sarozah, it's cause all marks are under the tank
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18:08.37Sarozso if you add it as sheep you have to remove it from tank
18:08.39NeoTrontank should hav eall marks
18:08.47CIA-903funkydude * r64157 10StatBlocks/StatBlocks.lua: StatBlocks: allow a font as low as 1
18:08.48Sarozit does, but it overwrote the CC
18:08.54NeoTronthen it had highe priority
18:09.03SarozI assigned no priroity
18:09.10NeoTronthen tank has higher priority :P
18:09.18NeoTronP1 tank > P1 CC
18:09.33Sarozbut why use same icon then
18:09.46NeoTronbecause you assigned the icons like that
18:09.58NeoTronyou fully control which icons are used for what
18:10.03Sarozwell it should use an icon it didnt already assign
18:10.13NeoTronpriority system
18:10.21NeoTronhigher priority get dibs on the higher priority symbols
18:10.28NeoTronthat's the whole point of prioritization
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18:10.46NeoTronso if you want sheep to have higher priority make the target a higher priority mob
18:11.01Sarozok
18:11.05NeoTronalso it sounds like you have square as a high prioritized tank target
18:11.17Sarozassumed it would try and CC whatever it could
18:11.22NeoTrontypically you'd want the icons you use most for CC to be last in the tank icon list
18:11.50NeoTronit will try to CC everything it can but it still adheres to prioroties first
18:11.59Sarozit's 7th and 6th
18:12.50Sarozanyway, changed priority, so lets see
18:12.54NeoTronhow large is the pull anyway? :P
18:13.09Saroz3 mobs
18:13.11Sarozheroic MT
18:13.22NeoTrondid you reset used raid targets?
18:13.27NeoTronraid target cahce
18:13.30Sarozno
18:13.35NeoTronbecause it's definitely not failproof
18:13.41SarozI just ALT+mouseover
18:13.41NeoTronit's a hack that works sometimes
18:14.00NeoTronin 2.4 I will be able to accurately tell when mobs die. in 2.3 I can't
18:14.06Sarozye
18:14.20NeoTronit scans the raids/party's targets and if it sees a dead target unmarks it (on unit death) and also on mouse over
18:15.04Sarozahh
18:15.10Chaudwhat is a blue question mark above an NPCs head?
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18:15.28Sarozrepeatable
18:15.31ChaudSo...
18:15.38Chaudthe stonard inkeeper has one on the PTR
18:15.40Chaudbut no quest
18:16.12Megalonperhaps something todo with the new portal spells
18:16.35Chaudthat is what I am wondering
18:16.45Chaudmaybe my rep isnt high enough yet?
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18:16.58Saroznah
18:17.00Sarozshouldnt show then
18:17.15Chaudthen I guess it just isnt done
18:18.50ChaudI wonder if raiders will QQ about port to Stonard
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18:19.05chiperI wonder why they picked Theramore.  gadgetstan would have made more sense
18:19.25ChaudOMFG Atiesh is worthless now! YOU GAVE THE CASUALS A PORT SO CLOSE!
18:19.32Megalonchiper: skill engi for that one :P
18:19.41chiperah, true
18:19.44CIA-903ackis * r64158 10AckisRecipeList/RecipeDB/ (ARL-LeatherWork.lua ARL-Vendor.lua):
18:19.44CIA-9AckisRecipeList:
18:19.44CIA-9- Added vendor info for some LW recipes
18:19.57ulicchiper: and gadg is neutral, maybe they wanted faction places.
18:19.59Megalonand, gadgetzan is a neutral goblin town
18:20.06ulicjinx!
18:20.06chiperhave to be gnome engineer, I'm goblin
18:20.20chipershat is a neutral town too
18:20.21CIA-903neotron * r64159 10MagicMarker/MagicMarker.lua: MagicMarker: Fixed cut'n'paste bug that made the raid mark cache be cleared every time the group was iterated.
18:21.58chiperbut the engineering portal does make sense
18:22.00NeoTronthey added new portal spells?
18:22.01ulicthey obviously have a reason to add them, we'll just have to wait and see what, adding them just because doesn't seem to make sense to me.  Other than I guess to have a second city on each continent
18:22.18chiperand theramore is only one FP away
18:22.43chiperulic: there's long been an absense of portal for that end of the continent
18:23.10chipermost mages I've talked to have taken to setting hearth in gadget
18:23.21ulicI never minded it, I like the idea of only porting to capital cities, but that said I won't fight it.
18:23.38ChaudI want more ports.
18:24.14ulicnow if I could hearth to one place and astral recall to another, I'd be all over that :P
18:24.15chiperhopefully they'll put two ports in for northrend
18:24.44Chaudfor whoever asked, but I fail and closed window http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7112/stontardfh9.jpg
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18:25.41CIA-903ackis * r64160 10AckisRecipeList/ (Locals/ARLLocals-enUS.lua RecipeDB/ARL-Engineer.lua):
18:25.41CIA-9AckisRecipeList:
18:25.41CIA-9- Engineering update
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18:38.40NeoTronWhat is the relationship of Ace3 on the trunk vs branches? is there some document on that?
18:39.01Josh_Borketrunk doesn't change
18:39.25NeoTronI assume at some point it will
18:40.33CIA-903lilsparky 07lilsparky * r64161 10Skillet/SkilletStitch-1.1.lua:
18:40.33CIA-9skillet/lilsparky:
18:40.33CIA-9- fixed potential infinite loop in trade scan code
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18:46.12[Ammo]trunk is the stable option
18:46.23[Ammo]branches = devel and we merge stable changes into trunk
18:47.23NeoTronis there a schedule associated with it (curious because Ace3 gui/config has a few fixes that distinctly affects my addon :)
18:48.04[Ammo]approximately weekly
18:48.17[Ammo]but you can speed up that process by giving nevcairiel hot love
18:49.24NeoTronhehe
18:49.36NeoTronI checked out the RC1 version to validate the fixes
18:50.34nevcairielhm i can merge later today
18:50.39nevcairielafter raid or so
18:50.52NeoTroncool
18:51.41Chaudwhere is one of those useful sct like addons for 2.4 =\
18:52.29nevcairielMSBT has a 2.4 alpha
18:52.33nevcairielworks pretty nice already
18:52.37Stanzillasct has 2.4 beta, too
18:52.43NeoTronwhat is the process if I wanted to get a jira project set up for my addon?
18:52.50Cheadsgo parrot! =)
18:53.23ckknightI'm working on LibDogTag-3.0, which is what Parrot will use
18:53.31ckknightbut I need to finish that first
18:53.58kergothdogtag 3 is looking promising, the syntax is much more intuitive
18:54.56Cheadssounds nice ck
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18:55.18Cheadsshould be plenty of time left before 2.4 hits live I assume?
18:56.34Chaud"plenty"
18:56.46KemayoNeoTron: I think you just have to ask Kaelten about it.
18:57.01CIA-903funkydude * r64162 10StatBlocks/Locales/enUS.lua: StatBlocks: add some locale
18:57.40Chaudlast time I used msbt was at level 60 =\
18:57.50CheadsChaud, I can see there's a 2.4 of sct+sctd on wowinterface
18:59.12CIA-903funkydude * r64163 10StatBlocks_Clock/StatBlocks_Clock.lua: StatBlocks_Clock: add x, y positioning
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19:01.28ChaudThanks, that SCT on wowi works
19:01.36Chaudstrata of menu is below pitbull though =\
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19:05.14CIA-903kemayo 07kemayo * r64164 10LibSimpleFrame-1.0/LibSimpleFrame-1.0.lua: LibSimpleFrame-1.0: check GetEffectiveScale when positioning. (drycode)
19:05.54kergothKemayo:  betterquesttracker is looking pretty nice :) might just finally ditch nquestlog
19:07.06Kemayokergoth: Nice to see someone is keeping an eye on it. :D
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19:15.55kenlyricso, I have libsharedmedia2, libsharedmedia3, sharedmedialib
19:16.06Industrialso delete 2
19:16.07kenlyricand now I need another addon to actually get shared media?
19:16.29kenlyricoh, i'm sure some mod still uses 2
19:16.43Industrialpatch it
19:16.47kenlyricI mean, some mod still uses 1
19:16.54Industrialpatch it
19:16.55kenlyricok, but that's not the point, none of them work
19:17.17kenlyricapparently I also need sharedmedia?
19:17.26StanzillaSharedMedia has teh media, yes
19:17.26kergoth?
19:17.29kergoththe libs dont include media
19:17.37kenlyricuhhh
19:17.39kergoththe libs just facilitate sharing of media between addons
19:17.40kergoththats all
19:17.43kenlyricwhen did this happen?
19:17.48kergoththey never have
19:17.57Industrialkenlyric: I get that feeling like all the time :p
19:18.04kenlyricso what has been giving me bars for pitbul before this week?
19:18.16kenlyricand for EBB?
19:18.42KemayoIndividual addons that use the sharedmedia libs include a few pieces of media -- the libs function as a repository of all that media.
19:18.51Industrialsharedmedia is a vague grey spot
19:19.04evlwooot
19:19.07evltimed event done
19:19.09evl3 mins to spare
19:19.11Industrialwhy dont they just all use the blizzard textures by default, and let sharedmedia handle the "extra" media?
19:19.11evlis this some dyps?
19:19.25Industrialalso, why not make all addons use only one version, and then do away with the old ones
19:19.25kergothIndustrial:  you mean addons that use the libs?
19:19.31kenlyricwell, Aloft has the Charcoal (and other) bar skins. Pitbull and EBB do not. and I know for sure that EBB used to.
19:19.31Industrialyeah
19:19.49Industrialless duplication
19:19.50kergothits political now, some people want to switch from -2.0 to -3.0, others see it as pointless so dont
19:19.54kergothits stupid, but what can ya do
19:20.03Industrialrule with an iron fist
19:20.07kergothnobody should be using sharedmedialib though, that should go
19:20.33Industrialset rules and create a conversion project for the good of all
19:20.41Industrialis what I would do
19:20.49Industrialbut hey, not my addon(s) :p
19:21.16Stanzillayeah seems like Aloft uses the oldest lib i.e. SharedMedia-1.0
19:21.42Industrialkergoth: never mind me btw, I'm just being my cynical self again >_>
19:21.45kenlyricyup, apparently that's why aloft still has them
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19:21.56kergoth:P
19:22.02kenlyricapparently the old one did store media in it
19:22.15kergothhm?
19:22.28Zorkmidanyone want a free account
19:22.29kenlyricor aloft stores the media in it
19:22.36IndustrialZorkmid: go away
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19:22.54Zorkmidwhy
19:23.04IndustrialZorkmid: we dont discuss wow accounts in here
19:23.06kergoththe shared media libraries do not include media. the addons that use it do, sometimes.  its likely that right now theres a bug preventing one or more of the shared media lib versions from sharing media with the others, which would explain epoples complaints of late
19:23.10ZorkmidCraiger37 pass is either Provchamps or provchamp
19:23.19Industrialsomeone ban Zorkmid
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19:23.33Industrialthx
19:23.49grennondarnit, i need free accounts and he seemed like such a reliable source
19:23.58keissany idea what DTMR is ?
19:24.24Industrial~lart grennon
19:24.25purlwallops grennon with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long
19:24.42break19Industrial: thing is, if another addon has it's own texture, it -should- register the media with sharedmedia libs, and then its available to all.. some, but not all addons do that.
19:25.21Industrialbreak19: well, yes, but I'd get it into SharedMedia in the first place
19:25.49Industrialif its any good :p
19:26.36kergoth`lunchi still think fonts in sharedmedialibs need to be revamped in some way
19:26.37kenlyricversion numbers in addon names. Such a fucking good idea
19:26.46kergoth`lunchlike ask it for font X, italic version
19:26.47kergoth`lunchor whatever
19:28.47Josh_Borke~lart kergoth`lunch
19:28.47purlslams kergoth`lunch against a large cement Tux
19:29.46Industrialkenlyric: I agree
19:30.00CIA-903piranther * r64165 10PiraPlex/PiraPlex.lua: PiraPlex :- in-game F.A.Q. updates
19:31.10CIA-903apoco * r64166 10aX_RaidStatus/ (. embeds.xml):
19:31.10CIA-9aX_RaidStatus:
19:31.10CIA-9- Change: Embeds.xml, Added AceOO and AceLibrary
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19:32.16HjalteCan you get out of combat just before Reliquary of Souls?
19:32.21NeoTronyes
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19:32.31NeoTronif you don't have ppl trailing adds with you on the way down
19:32.43NeoTronhowever you really shouldn't need it - not like healers do much in phase 1 anyway
19:33.37nikoJI'm having a problem with Parrot crashing on startup, 'Attempting to index upvalue 'Parrot_Display' (a nil value)'
19:34.26CIA-903ackis * r64167 10AckisRecipeList/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
19:34.26CIA-9AckisRecipeList:
19:34.26CIA-9- All LW vendor information added
19:34.26CIA-9- Alchemy started
19:34.27CIA-9- Version update
19:35.11kenlyricversion update. so I guess you should just make that AckisRecipeList2
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19:41.29CIA-903piranther * r64168 10PiraPlex/PiraPlex.lua: PiraPlex :- Add 'title' line at the top of AddOn-checkbox tooltips.
19:41.47keissany idea which addon uses 'DTMR' as an identifier ?
19:42.07[Ammo]dottimer
19:42.10[Ammo]probably
19:42.16Arrowmasterit is
19:42.22keissdoing more traffic than recount :D
19:42.32Arrowmastertell the people using it they need to update
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19:43.06Josh_Borkewhat? recount so it uses more traffic?
19:43.17Arrowmasterno dottimer
19:43.39kergoth`lunchi havent found a good alternative to dotimer yet.. hoping the new NECB will be a good route
19:44.16CIA-903piranther * r64169 10PiraPlex/PiraPlex.lua: PiraPlex :- Fix a minor typo in the in-game F.A.Q.
19:44.47mykxkergoth`lunch: classtimer is a fine replacement
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19:44.58kergoth`lunchlast i checked it didnt have things like distract, since they arent buffs
19:45.13kergoth`lunchalso, i dont think it has any form of promninence/emphasis to emphasize more important timers
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19:45.46mykxwell as a warlock it's useful but it doesn't have multiple target tracking I guess until 2.4
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19:49.12NeoTronmykx: I tried classtimer way back when and found it inaccurate and incomplete
19:49.36NeoTroninaccurate in that timers randomly disappeared and incomplete because it didn't do any mult-target tracking
19:49.46NeoTronand yes, 2.4 should make sure addons a lot more accurate and easier to make
19:50.41NeoTrons/sure/such/
19:53.08Chaudthis sct for 2.4 makes me want to punch someone
19:53.16NivFreak?
19:53.18NivFreakwhy
19:53.25Chaudincoming damage stopped showing
19:53.29Chaudand I can't make it come back
19:53.30KemayoChaud is just a very angry man.
19:53.32NivFreakI switched to MSBT a while ago, not sure if I'm going to stick with it
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19:53.41Stanzillamsbt is awesome
19:53.44NivFreakit's alright
19:53.46Tem|AFKMSBT > SCT
19:53.47Chaudwaiting on parrot =\
19:53.51Tem|AFKlawl
19:53.57NivFreakI was no big fan of SCT
19:54.27kergoth`lunchsct's scrollareas are jsut too limited imo
19:54.31break19<3 MSBT
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19:55.44Chaudwtf is this ARGH
19:55.52Chaudusing default profiles it still doesnt work
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19:57.46CIA-903piranther * r64171 10/tags/PiraPlex_1.1/: PiraPlex :- v1.1 release
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20:13.26Kulaarhmm the new rangecheck of grid doesnt work for me.
20:13.31Kulaarsomeone else noticed it?
20:14.37Kulaarit does only change the alpha on distances > 100 yards
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20:15.02CIA-9aX_RaidStatus:
20:15.02CIA-9- New: Minimap icon border changes colors based on raid status.
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20:17.28Chompersafter najentus, how do you deal with the large pack of aqueous spawns?
20:17.37Dkleinbanish some
20:17.41Chompersits hell dealing with them
20:18.40Josh_Borkego clear hyjal
20:18.43Josh_Borkecome back the next night
20:18.58NeoTronChompers: CC, and earth elementals
20:19.02NeoTronlots of earth elementals
20:19.06Chompersha :P
20:19.07NeoTronand poison cleansing totems
20:19.25selckinaren't that many spawns really
20:19.28NeoTronhad 5 shamans once
20:19.39Xinhuanand fear
20:19.46NeoTronthe snap aggro on the elementals is hax plus they are immune to poison damage
20:19.56Chompersonly 15 deaths, not so bad
20:19.56NeoTrons/poison/nature/
20:20.08NeoTron15 deaths? wow. ouch
20:20.17NeoTronhow many shamans?
20:20.34Chompersthe dragonmaw stuff looks like fun :/
20:20.36Chompers4
20:20.43GnarfozNeoTron: does MM now add mobs to the DB without hold alt down?
20:20.44Chompersbut we had no idea how to deal with them
20:21.09Elsiaspam poison cleanse totems
20:21.39Elsiabasically you want to pala tank them, poison cleanse like mad and AoE once aggro is established.. some greater earth elementals for tank relief
20:21.50Elsiamake sure that the pala tank has full hot stacks up when pulling
20:22.08Chompersif the pala tank existed, we'd do that
20:22.16NeoTronGnarfoz: yes
20:22.37Elsiayou can multitank it too, main thing is massive cleansing, that's the main damage that happens here
20:22.40NeoTronChompers: 4 earth elementals can do a lot
20:22.56Industrialbut water beats earth pokem..never mind
20:22.58Elsiaearth elementals are immune to all damage they do, just launch them all and tank what's left
20:23.02CIA-903seerah * r64174 10SharedMedia-Blizzard/SharedMedia-Blizzard.toc:
20:23.02CIA-9SharedMedia-Blizzard:
20:23.02CIA-9- fixed typo which kept SM-Blizzard from loading
20:24.35Chompersno mobnotes for this trash :<
20:24.42Chompersi miss them already
20:25.19NeoTronChompers: the supremus trash is incredibly easy
20:25.28Chomperssure is
20:25.29Seerahmake your own ;)
20:25.34Elsiathat pack may be the most dangerous trash actually
20:25.37NivFreakyou can go straight to supremous right?
20:25.40Chomperswe're talking about how easy it is on vent
20:25.49Chompersis it all like the first two packs as you enter his room?
20:25.49NeoTronGnarfoz: anyhow I decided holding down alt isn't necessary now when it's only enabled in instances (and you can disable it on an per-instance basis)
20:26.05NeoTronno
20:26.12NeoTronthere's the ones with the dragons
20:26.18NeoTronand the large solo-pull demons
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20:26.25NeoTronthey can be dangerous if combined
20:28.36Chompersvs naj, what's supremus like?
20:29.02Elsiasupremus == darkener + tank & spank
20:29.29selckinsupremus is cake
20:29.29Elsiasupremus is easy if people are quick to run away from vulcanos and ground fires
20:29.57Elsiatank phase needs 2 hateful strik soaker tanks
20:30.00NivFreakyou can skip naj and go to him, right?
20:30.24Xinhuanwhy would you?
20:30.31NivFreakI'm just asking :P
20:30.41Chompersyou can i think
20:30.42NeoTronChompers: well... we did wipe on Supremus. once. then he died.
20:30.58Chomperstook a few attempts at naj, so we won't be nearly as lucky
20:31.07NivFreakWe'll probably be working on Vashj and Kale when 2.4 hits
20:31.08NeoTronNaj is harder than supremus by quite a bit
20:31.13NivFreakso I figured we'd play in Hyjal/BT a bit too
20:31.16Xinhuanthe guy at start of instance only ports you up, if you killed both naj and supremus i think
20:31.36EvilJohnyeah
20:32.02NeoTronso if we go by number of wipes, Supremus is second easiest BT boss after Shahraz
20:32.05NivFreakI haven't been in BT on anything but a private server, so it'll be new to me :P
20:32.05EvilJohnit's easy for supremus to get out of hand pretty easy though
20:32.21EvilJohnAKama is the easiest thing I've done yet
20:32.24NeoTronwhen learning Supremus, just tell people to do absolutely zero DPS in phase 2
20:32.43Xinhuanyou're likely to meet enrage timer if you do that
20:32.47NeoTronEvilJohn: we had like 3-4 wipes on akama because the tanks failed to control the side adds but yeah not hard
20:32.56EvilJohnwe wiped our first time
20:33.01EvilJohnthen we got him no problem
20:33.04EvilJohnit's fun
20:33.08NeoTronstill, we killed Shahraz on our first try and supremus on our second
20:33.26NeoTronI preferred fights like bloodboil and RoS
20:33.26EvilJohnnice
20:33.36EvilJohnwe're just starting bloodboil
20:33.52NeoTronthose fights are an order of magnitude harder probably
20:33.56NeoTronnot HARD but harder
20:33.59EvilJohnit would seem
20:34.09EvilJohnwe'll get it, i'm sure
20:34.13NeoTronBT felt too easy for the most part
20:34.18EvilJohneverything is easier than vashj and kael
20:34.50NeoTronstill, one-shotting the 7th boss is a bit rediculous
20:34.57EvilJohni agree
20:35.03NeoTronI know she was really hard before - they nerfed her too much
20:35.04EvilJohnbut what can you do
20:35.10NeoTronget free t6? :)
20:35.21EvilJohnnot me, I spend too much dkp
20:35.23Xinhuanyou mean like the chess event in kara? technically that's the 7th boss hehe
20:35.26NeoTronIllidari Council is "easy" but hard because its such a damn long figh.. and boring
20:35.44NeoTronpeople falling asleep => biggest issue on council
20:35.58NeoTronXinhuan: well that is a bit different - it's a fun event with soom loot
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20:37.23NivFreakdoesn't council have just a ton of shit to not stand in?
20:39.06NeoTronNivFreak: basically
20:39.17Chompersdo i have to clear the whole of supremus room before i start the encounter?
20:39.20NeoTronyou need to interrupt heals and there's high damage to random targets
20:39.22Chompersor just a good part of it
20:39.23NeoTronthat can't be avoided
20:39.32NeoTronChompers: we've always cleared all of it
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20:39.52NeoTronbecause if you get punted the wrong way you sure as hell don't want adds (I dunno if the adds join in though)
20:40.11NivFreakman, I'm frustrated after last night
20:40.18NivFreakwe basically one shot al'ar
20:40.20NeoTronstill avoiding 4711 times to stand in for 10+ minutes
20:40.24NivFreakthen wipe over and over on solarian
20:40.28NeoTronwow
20:40.30NivFreakbecause of wide spread bomb failures...
20:40.39NivFreakI actually made everyone install solarian alarm
20:40.41NeoTronthat's pretty sad
20:40.47NivFreakI'm still pissed off
20:40.52NivFreakour enh shaman was chewing everyone out for it
20:40.58NivFreakthen he blew up both groups on the first bomb
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20:41.01NivFreakso I called it
20:41.13NeoTronwait
20:41.16NeoTronyou group up?
20:41.19NivFreakyep
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20:41.23NeoTronjust spread out
20:41.29NivFreakpeople just aren't paying attention
20:41.31NeoTronlessens the chance of ID10T errors
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20:41.42Fisker-1's are l's
20:41.47Fisker-!'s are i's
20:41.47NivFreakI gkicked one person last night
20:41.51Fisker-learn21337speak
20:41.53janeklbcan anyone help out a nub mod developer?
20:41.54NivFreakI'll boot more if they don't pay attention
20:41.59azraeloHey, anyone having problems with Skilett?
20:42.04azraeloerr Skillet
20:42.09NeoTronFisker-: L2know what the ID 10T error is
20:42.15NivFreakdid they already nerf the trash before Kael?
20:42.17NeoTronit's not leet speek :P
20:42.20Fisker-no u NeoTron
20:43.02Xinhuanthey did
20:43.05NeoTronhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID-Ten-T_Error
20:43.10Xinhuanthey removed half the packs
20:43.19Fisker-OWNED NeoTron
20:43.21NivFreakso what's left?
20:43.23NivFreaklike 5 mobs?
20:43.24Fisker-when ID-Ten-T is spelled out it becomes ID10T, l33tspeak for "idiot".
20:43.31NeoTronthe main issue with the KT packs isn't the number or difficult as much as that they respawn :P
20:43.32Xinhuanthe other half. duh!!!
20:43.36Fisker-1 = l, ! = i
20:43.39NeoTronor rather that they are there at all
20:43.44Fisker-it's IDLOT not IDIOT
20:43.45Fisker-hoho
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20:44.03NeoTronFisker-: "though the usage actually predates L33T as a part of geek culture"
20:44.20Fisker-perhaps
20:44.24Fisker-but not in computer lingo :<
20:44.37Fisker-i'm gonna sleep now :(
20:44.41EvilJohni have no trouble with redundant trash packs being taken out
20:44.42NivFreakNeoTron: I thought there was one really hairy back before kael
20:44.44EvilJohnsilly
20:45.43NeoTronID10T is part of the jargon file. not sure how old it is but a lot older than whatever weird "rules" you have for "leet speak". that'd be my point
20:46.12Yssarilanyone know the path to the blizzard test icon (the one with the dudes face on it)
20:46.53KemayoXinhuan: Any "official" way to tell HandyNotes about new icons?
20:47.07Xinhuannope
20:47.11Fisker-NeoTron be that as it may, "ID10T" was not the invention of 1337 speak
20:47.23Fisker-And the rules are pretty clear
20:47.34Fisker-it's "leet (1337) speak" not "ieetspeak"
20:47.46Fisker-Anyways
20:47.54Fisker-pointless argument and discussion terminated :P
20:48.08Fisker-i should obvious troll less
20:48.30Fisker-bai
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20:50.19Chompersokay then, here goes supremus try #1
20:50.48janeklbAny mod devs out here willing to help out?
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20:52.11Elsia~asktoask
20:52.12purlThis is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.
20:53.15Elsiajane: basically just ask what you need help with
20:55.01Kypphi guys, is there anyone really good with ace-comms?
20:55.20Kyppi'm having an intermittent error about text size (prefix + text) length greater than 255
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20:57.37xyujust picked up super smash bros brawl  rar!
20:57.44xyuand i suck at it :p
20:57.45janeklbAlright thanks, how would I go about getting my target's name / unitid?
20:57.53Kyppanyone else ever have a comms error about message length?  anyone think the issue is that the serializer in the chat throttle can only send a single string of less than 255 characters length (a large table OK but must decompose into individual key strings of less than 255 and value strings of less than 255)... that's my guess
20:59.03zapluinitid of your target would be TARGET.. if thats what you mean
20:59.23Chomperslawl, wipe
20:59.37Chompersits a big huffing volcano, how can you miss that
20:59.41YssarilKypp: blizzard limits the length to less than 255 :P
21:00.03Yssarilactually its prefix+msg should be less than 255
21:00.38Prophwhats the amt of +hit that is good for rogues for arenas?
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21:03.37janeklbI probably phrased that question wrong - im looping through my aUF.units (ag unit frames) and I want to see if my target is amongst them
21:03.56janeklbso I need a way to compare the aUF.units to something that is my target
21:04.00AntiarcUnitIsUnit("target", otherUnitID)
21:04.17Antiarc~api UnitIsUnit
21:04.18purlhttp://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitIsUnit
21:05.02janeklbPerfect, thanks
21:06.01baer_druid's BR is down to 20 mins CD?
21:06.11baer_ain't that fixed in ora2?
21:07.12nevcairielit is
21:07.25nevcairiellike a minute after the change was on live servers
21:07.36baer_that's really strange.
21:07.50baer_i still have 30 mins.
21:07.57baer_and all other raid members in my raid.
21:09.03selckinits the other side that need to update
21:09.07selckinthe druid
21:11.13p3limshould always be up-to-date tho
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21:18.39ValleGp3lim, pCast errors somtimes when i target people casting something. No idea when, why or how :)
21:18.56ValleGbrb
21:18.59p3limIts cause of the timer, channeling crap on target
21:19.04p3limUse an older version please
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21:21.04ValleGAh, I don't mind. !BugGrabber ftw?
21:22.44ValleGHate waiting for 2v2 queue :/
21:22.58baer_nevcairiel: so, what's wrong, when everyone sees 30 mins for br?
21:24.10CIA-903nevcairiel 07RC1 * r64175 10Ace3/ (AceDBOptions-3.0/AceDBOptions-3.0.lua changelog.txt): Ace3 - increment minor in AceDBOptions and update changelog
21:24.13NeoTronbaer_: someone is using CTRA?
21:24.25baer_NeoTron: nope, all ora2-users.
21:24.35NeoTronit's enough if someone has it running, even if they use ORA2
21:24.43NeoTronwhen we had that problem a few people ran both CTRA and oRA2
21:25.01CIA-903nevcairiel * r64176 10Ace3/ (8 files in 6 dirs):
21:25.01CIA-9Ace3 - (merge upto 64175)
21:25.01CIA-9- see changelog.txt for details
21:25.06baer_nope, no one.
21:25.18NeoTronhow do you know?
21:25.23genetiksome people will swear up and down the walls that they don't use something when they actually do
21:25.26baer_i just asked. :)
21:25.33NeoTronthat's what I figured
21:25.39NeoTronwhat genetik said
21:25.41genetik"who aggro'd that mob?"
21:25.44genetik*silence*
21:25.45GngskEllipsis, ping
21:26.05NeoTronI don't know if there's a realiable way to see if someone has CTRA installed if they also have oRA2
21:26.12Chompersyay!
21:26.14NeoTronbut I can promise you that is your issue
21:26.15Chompersonly took two tries
21:26.22NeoTrontold you he's easy
21:26.24nevcairielNeoTron: SpyGnome!
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21:26.35Chompersreally easy, stupid people not moving
21:26.37Diaodoesn't ora2 reply with a ctra version too
21:26.43GngskEllipsis, reping
21:26.43Chompers7 people dead :o
21:26.45genetikChompers: which encounter?
21:26.54Gngskgenetik, supremus
21:26.55Chomperssupremus
21:26.57genetikcool
21:27.04genetikhe was being a bitch to us last night
21:27.21genetikvolcanos cutting the raid in half, etc
21:27.55genetikprobably one of my least favorite fights so far, though.  way too many random elements, in my opinion
21:27.58NeoTronDiao: it does but I don't know what happens if you have both addons
21:28.19NeoTrongenetik: ... it's so easy
21:28.27NeoTronand random yes but you haev 15m to kill him
21:28.31NeoTronnot like you're in a hurry
21:29.05Chompersto akama!
21:29.17nevcairielakama is a push over too
21:29.19genetikit didn't happen on our previous kills, but last night, he annihilated melee dps even when the offtank was topped off
21:29.29genetikin p1
21:29.33NeoTronthe trash before akama can be fun the first few times
21:29.55NeoTrongenetik: you know the 2nd hit is threat based right?
21:30.04genetikhe was also second on threat :)
21:30.05NeoTronHurtful Strike ~= Hateful Strike
21:30.19genetikaccording to Threat, at least
21:30.25NeoTrononly takes one hit with melee above him before they die
21:30.50NeoTronstill it has nothing to do with HP at all
21:31.09genetikyou sure about that? i could have sworn i read that it was health based
21:31.23genetikbut i do tell the offtank to stay in second place
21:32.04genetikwowwiki: Hateful strike. A melee attack that hits 2nd highest current health player in melee range for ~7000 hp.
21:32.05Gngskanyone around can help my try to reproduce a bug withi pitbull_spark?
21:32.24genetikbosskillers: A massive melee damage ability done to the highest HP target within aggro range.
21:32.38nevcairielHateful is what patchwork does
21:32.45nevcairielHurtful is what supremus does
21:33.05nevcairielDeals 12350 to 13650 damage to the target with the second highest threat within melee range.
21:33.06EllipsisGngsk: what's up?
21:33.16Azurewrathmhm... does "without externals" in WUA mean that it really gets NO externals, or does it mean that they are not embedded? I'd like to run standalone externals...
21:33.28GngskEllipsis, disable spark, reload UI and enable it. do you get an error?
21:33.50EllipsisI don't have a WoW install right now, let alone pitbull, let alone pitbull_spark
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21:34.02Ellipsishowever there has been an error reported to happen in that situation
21:34.04NeoTrongenetik: Patchwerk = health based, Gruul/Supremus = threat based
21:34.19Ellipsisand it's likely just an issue of things not getting created fast enough when the module is enabled
21:34.23NeoTrongenetik: bosskillers is very very often completely wrong
21:34.32Gngskaight
21:34.34Ellipsissafe to ignore, and I'll fix it when I am able to work on pitbull again
21:34.46Gngsksounds good
21:35.09NeoTronAzurewrath: it means they will be added as standalone dependencies, if you've enabled "automatic dependecies"
21:35.18NeoTronotherwise you need to manually add them I guess
21:35.19genetikhttp://wowwebstats.com/3jv5fpcr6n3bu?s=8095-8867&ab=426
21:35.22Chompersneo, is akama + trash doable with only 3 tanks?
21:35.24genetiklogs say hateful strike
21:35.30genetikChompers: yes
21:35.51genetikassuming you have some cc
21:37.14baer_great! gurtogg firstkill. :)
21:37.36SnagoI thought Supremus was health based as well
21:38.11Groktarit is
21:38.34genetikhttp://www.wowhead.com/?spell=28308 - hateful
21:38.37genetikhttp://www.wowhead.com/?spell=33813 - hurtful
21:40.22Ozgulihmm... Can someone point me a macro to use a random mount?
21:40.34mikmaOzguli: /castrandom mount1,mount2
21:40.54Ozguliworks? Thought items needed some special stuff..
21:40.58OzguliThanks
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21:44.09CIA-903kemayo * r64177 10/branches/HandyNotes_Directions/ (. Ace3/ Ace3/Directions.lua Ace3/HandyNotes_Directions.toc):
21:44.09CIA-9HandyNotes_Directions: Database of locations that city guards direct you to. Totally and utterly drycoded, and substantially
21:44.09CIA-9ripped off from _Mailboxes.
21:44.48ValleGIf I use standalone libraries and delete an addon, does it check which libraries to delete or do you have to do that manually?
21:44.54ValleGIn WAU of
21:44.57ValleGofc*
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21:47.53mikmaKemayo: while your at it, code a database that has all the needed positions in it. then we can do /showmetheway area52 and where ever we are, a arrow will guide us there ;P
21:48.13baer_anyone knows, how to get back the target circle?
21:48.40ValleGYou can disable that....?
21:49.34baer_it disappared after killing bloodboil.
21:50.16ValleGtried reloading ui?
21:50.33ValleGnever ever heard of it disappearing before
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21:52.28Kemayomikma: That's far more work than what I did. :P
21:52.52mikmaKemayo: it is :I
21:53.13|Pixel|winkiller: 212
21:53.16|Pixel|hmmm
21:53.17|Pixel|interesting
21:53.33winkiller?
21:54.11mikmaaaaand, on the other note: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4134-SomeAssemblyRequired.html <- this but far more better would rock :O
21:55.42hasteso logich mikma !
21:55.46|Pixel|just disregard that, my irssi did something funky
21:55.50haste<this>  far better will always rock! :3
21:55.50|Pixel|sorry
21:56.02hastes/  / + /
21:56.08mikmahaste: you better would cock
21:56.16hastemikma: your world!
21:56.26mikmacock my world, yes, yes,
21:56.35hasteI'll leave for finland right away!
21:57.21mikmayay. when you arrive we can have some serious manlove
21:57.30Ellipsiscan I watch?
21:57.33hasteo'yeah
21:58.11ValleGthis feels like the cheesy bash.org joke where someone joins inbetween and goes "you sick fucks" and leaves
21:58.33Ozgulithat stuff happens often
21:58.37Ellipsiswhat could be sick about haste-on-mikma action?
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21:59.00EllipsisI mean come on...you have to admit it's turning you on just a teensy bit, at least?
21:59.01NOTmikmayou sick !!!!
21:59.02hastelol
21:59.53mikmaEllipsis: yeah my nipples are turning to be pointy
22:00.01hasteI'm going to continue reading 4koma now
22:00.14mikmaand i'll continue cutting my nails :P
22:00.31Ellipsisand I'll go back to being bored
22:00.32mikmathis is the manly action! i'm doing with Leatherman Wave
22:00.34Ellipsiswtg guys
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22:01.25mikmaEllipsis: oh i know what cheers you up
22:02.47mikmaEllipsis: http://youtube.com/watch?v=QRgoxTce8FY
22:03.06mikmarequires a youtube account btw
22:03.42Ellipsisrawrrrrr~
22:03.52ValleGuser: kiskiskis, pwd: kiskiskis
22:03.53ValleGlol
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22:04.22sag_ich_nichtgaaaaaaaaaaah
22:04.56sag_ich_nichtfuck you prince
22:04.58sag_ich_nichtfuck you so hard
22:05.07sag_ich_nichtvhaarr add a range indicator to prince or i'll kill you
22:05.20NeoTronsag_ich_nicht: the "don't suck" indicator/
22:05.21sag_ich_nichtbase it of the tank if you have to
22:05.51sag_ich_nichtfuck you asshole i have no 3 dimensional vision i'm allowed to fail at that
22:06.03theycallmepostcan anyone walk me through translating a world map coordinate to a specific zone (by hand, using known offsets and zone sizes) ?
22:06.30mikmahttp://youtube.com/watch?v=K9lR5Uz-s4g
22:06.33theycallmeposterm.. i mean, does anyone want to?
22:07.12Ellipsismmm yeah mikma...you know what I like
22:07.30Chompersneo, are you still about?
22:07.40mikmabut, that last one wasn't for you, it was for everyone!
22:07.49Chompersthe room after supremus, should we be moving north or south?
22:07.59Chompersor straight ahead
22:08.19genetikhang a right to get to akama
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22:14.26Ozguli-00:08:28- (Ozguli`) google it. Ace wau.
22:14.26Ozguli-00:11:28- (Dtox) hm not finding it
22:14.27Ozgulipeople are too stupid!
22:14.28kergothgoddamn freenode
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22:15.08mikmahttp://kuvaton.com/kuvei/wats_in_here.jpg
22:15.31Gngskmikmam you sick bastard
22:15.48mikmaGngsk: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/normipaiva142.jpg
22:16.41EllipsisHOT
22:16.55sag_ich_nichthow to disable HP number rounding in pitbull(or dogtag, where it's coming from)?
22:17.11kergothchange the tag you're using
22:17.41kergothmikma:  dood.. wtf
22:17.49kergothi just ate not that long ago
22:18.04mikmakergoth: omnomnom
22:18.33sag_ich_nicht[23:17] <@kergoth> change the tag you're using <--okay lemme ask that again: what is the proper tag for absolute HP with no rounding.
22:18.44Arrowmasterim eating right now and that didnt phase me
22:18.46sag_ich_nichtyes i just ended a question with a period
22:18.52NeoTronChompers: what genetik said!
22:18.52Ellipsissag_ich_nicht: what rounding do you mean?
22:19.06Diaoshort(number)?
22:19.06Ellipsisyou want decimal HPs?
22:19.14kergothsag_ich_nicht:  http://www.wowace.com/wiki/DogTag-2.0/Tags#Health
22:19.19kergothone google, two clicks later..
22:19.21kergoththat was hard to find
22:19.21Diaolol
22:19.22kergoth:P
22:19.40Diaosince by default pitbull rounds anything over 1k to x.xk
22:19.44sag_ich_nichtyeah too bad it doesn't say anything about rounding.
22:19.45Diaoor whatever
22:19.51sag_ich_nichtEllipsis: yes
22:19.52kergothscroll down to the modifiers
22:19.55kergothround is right there
22:20.00kergothalternatively, ctrl+f.. type round
22:20.03kergothalso very difficult to find
22:20.10Ellipsissag_ich_nicht: all HP tags return values rounded to the nearest integer, no way around that
22:20.16Ellipsisalso, you guys suck at helping
22:20.28sag_ich_nichtEllipsis: why.
22:20.33sag_ich_nichtactually no
22:20.40sag_ich_nichtjust tell me where the floor is
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22:20.44sag_ich_nichtso i can comment is
22:20.51Ellipsisoh, that floor
22:21.00Ellipsis/Modules/Health
22:21.13Ellipsispick your tag, edit your code as desired
22:21.51Diaoyeah see just remove the :short which is in by default and it should show exact values
22:22.06EllipsisDiao: stop trying to confuse him, you didn't listen to his question
22:23.12sag_ich_nichtEllipsis: lemme guess ckk used integers and i have to turn them to float and floor them myself?
22:23.27Ellipsisuh, dude, numbers are numbers in lua
22:23.33sag_ich_nichtwell lua sucks
22:23.35sag_ich_nicht:D
22:23.36Ellipsisno u
22:23.45sag_ich_nichtuh
22:23.48sag_ich_nichtlemme check
22:23.53sag_ich_nichtnope
22:23.54sag_ich_nichtno sucking
22:24.04Gnarfozpet bar is... Secondary Action Button
22:24.05Gnarfoz?
22:24.06EllipsisI didn't say you stink, I said you suck
22:24.08Gnarfozor special action button
22:24.12sag_ich_nichtEllipsis: lern2english
22:24.16Ellipsisno u
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22:25.31sag_ich_nichtugh
22:25.36ckknightsag_ich_nicht: all numbers are C doubles in lua
22:25.43sag_ich_nichtugh
22:25.45sag_ich_nichtwhat a waste
22:25.46sag_ich_nichtanyway
22:26.01sag_ich_nichtwhat's MobHealth_PPP
22:26.17sag_ich_nichtor for that matter what does the PPP stand for :P
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22:26.32Ellipsisdon't worry about it, that's not the line you're looking for :)
22:26.39ckknightpoints-per-something
22:27.09sag_ich_nichtEllipsis: i wanna know it because i won't touch code i at least SOMEWHAT understand
22:27.13sag_ich_nicht:P
22:27.36Ellipsisgood, then there should be no problem
22:27.43Ellipsisl2english ;)
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22:31.28AntiarcOnline gaming can spark romances between shy people who feel getting to know each other through speaking in games is like falling in love "from the inside out". Their relationships are then tested in situations that would never be found in real life, such as attacks by wolves.
22:31.33Osstia~seen kivin
22:31.37purlkivin <n=Kivin@bas1-kingston08-1167888616.dsl.bell.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 8d 21h 16m 11s ago, saying: '!ap 1704'.
22:31.57KemayoAntiarc: All I can say is, that person obviously doesn't know how to take someone on a good date.
22:32.17AntiarcFor srs.
22:32.39Antiarc"He has three characters a druid, a knight and an elf, all powered up to the fabled "level 70" status, which can take over 30 full days of play, or 720 hours."
22:32.41AntiarcWhaaaaat.
22:32.44AntiarcWhaaaaaaaaaaaaat.
22:32.55Osstia30 days?
22:33.16Antiarc30 days /played to 70 is a longass time.
22:33.24AntiarcEven if you have no idea what you're doing.
22:33.26CivrockIf you play in RP mode and level all your professions etc, then sure.
22:33.34OsstiaI do all my professions
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22:33.55CivrockAll the cybering time is probably included as well. ;)
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22:34.10AntiarcI played on an RP server and maxed my professions and spent massive amounts of time idle programming and I still hit my first 60 at like 14 days played, and 70 was pretty darn fast.
22:34.10OsstiaI have 2 professions, cooking, First aid, and fishing on 4 toons.  and none of them took 30 days
22:35.07Antiarchttp://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.2104838.0.0.php for the article.
22:35.36Grumfishing takes 14 hours orso
22:37.01ulicmaybe the quote means get got all 3 up to 70 in a combined 30 days?
22:38.17Osstiai would like to hear a fable about a lvl 70
22:38.29Osstiaany RP'ers wanna take a stab at it?
22:39.07NeoTronAntiarc: what struck me is "a druod, a knight and an elf"
22:39.20kergothooh, the elf class
22:39.31kergothi presume its ability is 'look pretty'
22:40.15NightHawkAtWorkkergoth: nah, playing by 1st edition d&d rules :P
22:43.16NeoTron[...]in which more than 50 million people
22:43.23NeoTronwow grew it seems. heh
22:43.30NeoTronthat article is fun of fail
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22:48.31NightHawkAtWorkNeoTron: as if that wasn't obvious from the first paragraph.. :P
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22:55.45zapllol  "I think it's more likely he has one character. A "Druid Night Elf" not a druid, knight and an elf."
22:56.36Lukianhaha
22:58.41sag_ich_nichtlmao
22:59.43SnagoWorld Of Warcraft, known as WOW, in which more than 50 million people take on the characters of wizards or warriors <-- That number is new to me
23:00.03Groktarhttp://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-tmi-hippo-splatter-zone.jpg
23:02.15Zeksiewizards..
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23:13.47ckknightzapl: I wish I were a knight
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23:14.44xyuhttp://www.freeple.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/image0011.jpg
23:14.47xyuhttp://www.freeple.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/image0021.jpg
23:14.58ckknighthehe
23:15.05ckknightxyu: in all honesty, props.
23:17.32zaplckknight: http://www.davidhasselhoffonline.com/KnightRiderPoster01.jpg !
23:17.56ckknightzapl: if you hadn't caught by now, my last name is Knight
23:19.58WobWork"which can take over 30 full days of play, or 720 hours."
23:20.06WobWork(Cause our readers cannot do maths)
23:20.22KemayoI can check myself in half an hour... but does anyone know of the top of my header whether or not doing SetPoint for "LEFT" and "RIGHT" from frame1 to frame2  will automatically adjust the width of frame1 if frame2 changes?
23:20.39Kemayos/of the top of my header/off the top of their heads/
23:20.41WobWorknyet
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23:20.52WobWorkthat's only a single anchor point
23:20.57WobWorkif you setallpoints it would
23:21.18WobWorkoh
23:21.22WobWork-and-
23:21.26WobWorkthen probably yes
23:22.18KemayoOkay, thanks.  I will double-check once I have WoW access, of course. :)
23:23.35NeoTronTrojans on wowhead/thottbot/allakhazan => http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=5085.msg52987
23:23.51CIA-903ackis * r64178 10AckisRecipeList/RecipeDB/ARL-Vendor.lua:
23:23.51CIA-9AckisRecipeList:
23:23.51CIA-9-Typo fix
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23:26.08zaplckknight: hmm thats indeed new to me.. should not assume nickname != realname
23:26.14Stanzillahttp://www.staneck.de/upload/files/guildb.jpg < lol
23:26.26ckknightzapl: yea, I don't believe in hiding behind anonymity
23:26.35ckknightat least for myself
23:26.51ckknightnormal person + anonymity + audience = shitcock
23:27.18Vangualgotta love that penny arcade strip :)
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23:34.24zaplwasnt anonymous p0rn the reason dod invented the internet in the 60s? ;)
23:35.11NeoTronthat and the future potential of blogs
23:35.24Ellipsisthe internet is for porn
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23:48.32NivFreakthere's a lot of people that assert druids don't need resist gear on hydross adds anymore
23:48.36NivFreakcan anyone confirm that?
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23:49.06NightHawkAtWorkI dont think any of our add tanks have used resist gear, at least not in my recent memory?
23:49.35NivFreakdon't suppose you have a WWS parse? :)
23:49.48NightHawkAtWorkI can see if i can find one
23:49.56NivFreakthanks
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23:50.57vhaarrNivFreak: they hit just as hard now, but with the new ZA and badge gear, people who still do Hydross typically have a lot higher damage output now than the guilds who did him first, so the adds die faster, which means that the offtanks don't take that much damage
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23:51.12vhaarrit also means they have to maintain more threat, which is harder the more resistance gear you use
23:51.58vhaarrI'd advise to use a bit of frost resistance and just a nature res aura/totem + frost aura
23:52.00NivFreakI'm just concerned that with largely t4 level geared folks
23:52.02vhaarrsince the nature adds can be nuked anyway
23:52.03NivFreakit'll be too much dmg
23:52.09vhaarryes perhaps
23:52.11NightHawkAtWorkNivFreak: http://wowwebstats.com/qjtrn4cbcx1vq?s=5727-6072
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23:52.23NivFreakWe have 3/4 down in TK, but that only took us two weeks
23:52.30NivFreakso we don't have a ton of t5 level gear floating around
23:52.34NightHawkAtWorkthats the last hydross kill ive found
23:52.37NivFreaklots of ZA gear though
23:53.01vhaarralso keep in mind that a druid in tanking gear dodges more than one in resistance gear
23:53.03vhaarrso it's a tradeoff
23:53.08NivFreakNightHawkAtWork: do you guys banish 1, MT one, OT 2?
23:53.26NivFreakvhaarr: I don't think you can dodge elemental attacks can you?
23:54.21NightHawkAtWorkI dont believe we banish any. I'm not precisely sure how they get tanked. i think we usually just have two tanks (typically druids, but whoever we happen to have in the raid), one on each side, and just assist focus them down
23:54.27vhaarryes you can dodge it
23:54.38NightHawkAtWorkNivFreak: elemental melee attacks can be dodged like any other melee
23:54.41NivFreakI see zero dodges in this WWS
23:54.49kergothwhats the way to go on web based raid scheduling nowadays, still phpraid?
23:54.49vhaarrthat proves nothing
23:54.51vhaarrit's dodgable
23:55.00vhaarrit is, however, NOT blockable
23:55.16NivFreakso both of these druids were just unlucky
23:55.22NivFreakand never dodged a single attack?
23:55.24NeoTronwe just used AoE
23:55.27vhaarror lucky, depending on how you look at it
23:55.31NivFreakheh
23:55.42vhaarrtaking a hit means more rage
23:55.42NightHawkAtWorkkergoth: we use raidninja, http://www.raidninja.com/ it seems okay *shrug*
23:55.48NivFreakand the warriors are also unlucky?
23:55.49vhaarrwhich means more threat output
23:55.50NeoTronman I really don't miss SSC
23:55.52vhaarrwhich means they die faster
23:56.04NightHawkAtWorkdoesn't WWS parse dodge/parry as miss?
23:56.12NivFreakyes, there are no miss
23:56.46NivFreakthis WWS is wierd
23:56.51NivFreakone warrior has non-elemental attacks
23:57.00NivFreak100% parry/dodge
23:57.08NivFreakI wonder if it doesn't count it as elemental if they dodge/parry
23:57.27NightHawkAtWorkthat may be the case
23:57.29NivFreakyea, that must be how it's getting parsed
23:57.33vhaarra dodge elemental attack shows up just as a normal attack in the combat log
23:57.40vhaarrdodged*
23:57.42NivFreakyea
23:57.43NivFreakok
23:57.46NivFreakthanks for the tips
23:57.56NivFreakYou guys are always a great sounding board :)
23:58.12NeoTron#wowace - better than bosskillers
23:58.19Diaolol
23:58.25NivFreakbosskillers is so fail
23:59.16NeoTronbosskiller strats are always the "first try" strategies it seems
23:59.22NivFreakNightHawkAtWork: any chance you can confirm/deny resist gear on these druids? :)
23:59.25NeoTronoften completely wrong in many aspects
23:59.42NivFreakit's more useful to read them before you get to a new boss, just so you have an outline
23:59.43CIA-903kemayo 07kemayo * r64179 10LibQuixote-2.0/LibQuixote-2.0.lua: LibQuixote-2.0: Fix lib upgrade on completed quests.
23:59.45NivFreakbut past that, they suck

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