| 00:00.07 | Industrial | I loved the judge dredd "listen to the law" warrior style for human |
| 00:00.09 | Industrial | (and pally ofc) |
| 00:00.36 | Industrial | nowadays when someone in eg gronnstarker walks by I laugh instead of admire |
| 00:00.42 | Chaud | t3 for s5 is decent though |
| 00:01.14 | Chaud | Wtf kind of mace is this, http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/february/arenaweap3.jpg |
| 00:01.27 | elusif | ValleG: everyone in the movie is almost naked all the time! |
| 00:02.09 | Chaud | and I feel bad for whichever class gets stuck wearing http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/february/11_2.jpg |
| 00:02.27 | Industrial | Chaud: link to the post? |
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| 00:02.37 | ValleG | Oh I thought you meant the person watching it but being a male I thought that sounded a bit nasty. I prefer being clothed and not touching myself while watching. |
| 00:02.49 | Chaud | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=4907.0 |
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| 00:03.26 | elusif | but i can only get s2 if i'm on an arena team |
| 00:03.32 | Chaud | for now, yes |
| 00:03.38 | elusif | and i'll only have s1 so i'll be on a non competitive arena team |
| 00:03.41 | Chaud | yes |
| 00:03.45 | elusif | lol |
| 00:03.46 | Industrial | I fear season 5 will be "arena in space" |
| 00:03.50 | Chaud | For the most part, unless you are some god |
| 00:03.51 | p3lim | Chaud: it would be s3 1h mace (melee) and mage t6.5 set |
| 00:03.51 | elusif | will i get points and marks for a lose? |
| 00:04.07 | Chaud | huh? |
| 00:04.12 | ValleG | Everyone plays arena. I met 2 tanks the other day. everyone does it for some points. |
| 00:04.20 | elusif | like in regular bgs if you lose you still get honour points and a mark |
| 00:04.21 | ValleG | (in 2v2) |
| 00:04.23 | Chaud | Arenas run on points only |
| 00:04.31 | Chaud | you get points based on rating |
| 00:04.49 | Chaud | you play 10 games a week, at least 30% of the games on the team |
| 00:05.06 | Chaud | Just look in trade channel monday night for all the pug teams, join a 5v5 that is near 1500 |
| 00:05.18 | Chaud | or grind gold and buy points |
| 00:05.20 | Industrial | recolors are so cheap |
| 00:05.25 | elusif | i farm ah |
| 00:05.26 | Industrial | and now they are going overboard with it |
| 00:05.35 | elusif | i have like 2000g and 14 epics on sale right now |
| 00:05.37 | Chaud | How much gold do you have? |
| 00:05.39 | Industrial | big fail sticker on it imho |
| 00:05.51 | Chaud | 2000 would buy maybe 2-3 weeks of points |
| 00:05.56 | elusif | it makes some level 70s on my realm sick with jealousy :) |
| 00:05.59 | Chaud | depends on the realm |
| 00:06.09 | elusif | i'd rather save the 2k |
| 00:06.23 | ValleG | I can't seem to keep my gold. If I have some I spend it. |
| 00:06.29 | Chaud | spend it on what? |
| 00:06.46 | elusif | auctioneer classic > auctioneer advanced (which is missing the search by profit tab) |
| 00:06.49 | ValleG | patterns, mats and whatnot |
| 00:06.49 | Industrial | I cant seem to get any :p |
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| 00:07.06 | Chaud | I don't PvE, so I have nothing to spend gold on really |
| 00:07.10 | Chaud | just sitting at 9k |
| 00:07.26 | ValleG | I was so proud when I get 2.7k gold and thought maybe just maybe I could get my epic mount some day. The next day I was down to 500g |
| 00:07.46 | elusif | i will feel guilty if i leave my guild at 70 because they don't have enough 70s for kara |
| 00:08.11 | ValleG | I would feel guilty if I just respec :( |
| 00:08.13 | Chaud | leave them and join a guild with kara on farm lol, like 9000 guilds |
| 00:08.30 | elusif | kara on farm means kara every night? |
| 00:08.42 | Chaud | clear it in one night |
| 00:08.58 | elusif | how could it take more than one night? |
| 00:08.59 | Chaud | or two, depending on how long they want to spend |
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| 00:09.13 | Chaud | people may only want to raid for 2 hrs or something? |
| 00:09.15 | Chaud | IDK |
| 00:09.28 | elusif | you can leave the kara instance half way through and resume it the next day?! |
| 00:09.35 | Chaud | welcome to wow |
| 00:09.38 | Nandini | our kara farming group 2 does two nights 90 mins each |
| 00:09.39 | Olison | Made me smile: http://changelog.complete.org/posts/698-If-Version-Control-Systems-were-Airlines.html |
| 00:09.40 | Diao | it's on a 1 week reset timer |
| 00:09.47 | Chaud | How long have you played wow lol.. |
| 00:09.55 | ValleG | Well people going AFK and slacking.... |
| 00:09.57 | elusif | i know you can reset an instance |
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| 00:10.14 | Nandini | you can't reset raid instances though (or heroic instances) |
| 00:10.14 | elusif | but i didn't know people took breaks from them over night |
| 00:10.34 | Chaud | Trash respawns before the boss, otherwise does not spawn is boss is dead |
| 00:10.38 | Nandini | heroic instances reset daily, burning crusade raids reset weekly, except for ZA, which is on a 3 day timer |
| 00:10.57 | Chaud | please tell me you just started playing a month ago =\ |
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| 00:11.13 | elusif | i heard s1 is good started gear for end game raids |
| 00:11.16 | elusif | full s1 |
| 00:11.21 | elusif | *starter |
| 00:11.23 | Chaud | if by end game you mean starting kara |
| 00:11.25 | Chaud | sure |
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| 00:11.34 | Nandini | for some classes and specs it is a good boost to begin raiding |
| 00:12.11 | Nandini | for example feral druids who are tanking can benefit from some s1 and vindicator's pieces |
| 00:12.20 | Chaud | it will be okay for your rogue, but you need gear with hit I think? |
| 00:12.32 | Chaud | not sure how much you need over what s1 has |
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| 00:12.45 | elusif | even if i do like pve a bit what is there to do in kara when you have everything |
| 00:12.58 | elusif | where as pvp seems like a passtime that will reward forever - even with the best gear :D |
| 00:13.07 | Nandini | you farm badges of honor in kara then, and upgrade your rep to exalted for the ring |
| 00:13.32 | elusif | k |
| 00:13.54 | Nandini | save up your badges, there are some awesome new things you can buy in patch 2.4, but they take a LOT of badges :) |
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| 00:13.59 | CIA-9 | Decursive: |
| 00:13.59 | CIA-9 | - Fixed a forgotten Babble-2.2 GetColor() function call |
| 00:14.01 | Grum | they should |
| 00:14.08 | Grum | giving away t5+gear ... geez |
| 00:14.13 | ValleG | If you got everything from kara you move on to the next instance just like 5mans and heroics :) |
| 00:14.18 | Grum | for people who just go Kara >< |
| 00:14.27 | Chaud | 187k honor for s1, honor gear, and maces |
| 00:14.34 | Chaud | Hope you enjoy grinding |
| 00:14.46 | Grum | just farm kara for 2 weeks |
| 00:14.50 | Grum | and get nearly full epics? :D |
| 00:14.54 | Chaud | Yeah, pretty much far better lol |
| 00:14.55 | Nandini | i got all my s1 and vindicators gear just doing BGs on the weekends while leveling up from 60-69 |
| 00:15.01 | Chaud | get T4 to turn into S1! |
| 00:15.06 | Nandini | got rested xp, leveled up fishing while in queue |
| 00:15.09 | Chaud | yay welfare =\ |
| 00:15.17 | Chaud | you have a queue? |
| 00:15.20 | Nandini | and when i hit 70, i had instant epics |
| 00:15.39 | Nandini | our queues are between 1 and 4 minutes usually in the 60-69 bracket |
| 00:15.47 | Nandini | which is enough time to catch a few fish :) |
| 00:15.52 | ValleG | crazy! |
| 00:15.55 | Grum | silly people that pvp |
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| 00:16.05 | Chaud | silly people that pve |
| 00:16.17 | Grum | the game is pve ;D |
| 00:16.20 | Chaud | (I wish I had time to) |
| 00:16.39 | Chaud | No one will pay for $75k to down illdian =p |
| 00:16.47 | Grum | you cant get lvl20 without pve ;P |
| 00:16.54 | Grum | 75k? |
| 00:17.06 | Nandini | you can't get past 70 with pve :P |
| 00:17.22 | Grum | neither can you with pvp? O.o |
| 00:17.48 | Nandini | just saying, pve also has its limitations (for many people, it's time and convenience and level of organization required) |
| 00:17.52 | Chaud | Winners from each regional will then be invited to a global championship event to compete for $120,000 in cash prizes, including a $75,000 grand prize. |
| 00:17.57 | Chaud | No one pays like that to PvE |
| 00:19.04 | Nandini | it's weird though, master chess players can win money by playing against a computer (which might be analagous to a pve encounter, only with a much smarter AI) |
| 00:19.33 | Grum | lol |
| 00:19.36 | Chaud | When bosses are smart enough to kill your healers instead of tank |
| 00:19.40 | Grum | winning that pvp is like winning a lottery |
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| 00:20.02 | Grum | Chaud: would get a bit boring |
| 00:20.02 | Chaud | So what, PvE has nothing like it =p |
| 00:20.03 | Nandini | yup if they made bosses actually try harder to stay alive, then you might see some real competition for pve |
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| 00:20.18 | Chaud | MTR 3rd boss is somewhat fun for PvE |
| 00:20.21 | Chaud | almost like playing 5s |
| 00:20.27 | Nandini | or if NPCs attacked you as soon as you were in visual range |
| 00:20.30 | Grum | MTR? |
| 00:20.33 | Tekkub | does anyone have a castsequence macro they use for health/mana stones and HP/MP Potions? |
| 00:20.39 | Chaud | the new 5 man in 2.4 |
| 00:20.48 | Grum | oh |
| 00:21.05 | Nandini | Tekkub: since those items don't trigger a GCD, you can just put successive /cast or /use directives in your macro, no need for /castsequence |
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| 00:21.31 | Tekkub | hrm.... but will it pop both if you only need one? |
| 00:21.41 | Grum | no |
| 00:21.42 | Nandini | you won't use a potion if you're at max health |
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| 00:21.50 | Nandini | or mana, but you must be COMPLETELY full not to use it |
| 00:21.50 | Grum | also - sharing cooldown |
| 00:22.00 | Grum | except for the pots/stones ofc ;P |
| 00:22.04 | Grum | i'd not use it :P |
| 00:22.17 | Chaud | why not just click the pot =\ |
| 00:22.21 | Tekkub | hrm... yea sounds a little iffy |
| 00:22.30 | Tekkub | Chaud, addon here |
| 00:22.34 | Chaud | oh |
| 00:22.43 | Grum | tbh you want em seperated |
| 00:22.47 | Tekkub | autobarish, without the excess |
| 00:23.01 | Chaud | Never used it =\ |
| 00:23.06 | Tekkub | yea but I got a guy bitching about wanting to use both in the same combat session |
| 00:23.09 | Nandini | tanks are typically the players who will include potions or HSs in a macro |
| 00:23.17 | Tekkub | and I thought there was a castsequence people used |
| 00:23.18 | Grum | Tekkub: 2 slots on the bar |
| 00:23.33 | Chaud | just put them on an unused bar, scale it up big, and put it on your screen and click |
| 00:23.34 | Grum | Nandini: not really |
| 00:23.46 | Grum | hmm do HS trigger the pot cooldown? |
| 00:23.47 | Tekkub | right I'm not asking for other ways to do it |
| 00:23.53 | Chaud | no they dont |
| 00:23.54 | Nandini | HS and pots are on separate CDs |
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| 00:24.13 | Tekkub | I already have the addon made and working |
| 00:24.19 | Nandini | as a druid tank, my oh shit button is /use Master Healthstone /use Greater Healing Potion /cast Dire Bear Form |
| 00:24.29 | Tekkub | just wanted to try to add support for both stone and pot in the same combat session |
| 00:24.33 | Nandini | and i can only use it when I am absolutely certain my GCD isn't ticking |
| 00:24.53 | Nandini | otherwise i will get stuck in caster form |
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| 00:26.04 | Nandini | and due to server weirdness in combat event sequencing, it is still technically possible for me to get hit in caster form, but it's very very rare |
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| 00:26.26 | Nandini | and if i'm using that macro, it's because i'm probably about to die anyways, so why not try it |
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| 00:27.48 | Chaud | =( This account has been frozen and cannot be used for playing. Please add a payment below to reactivate this account. |
| 00:28.02 | erzy | =< |
| 00:28.03 | Nandini | for tanking gruul after 5 growths or so, i also have /use Ironshield Potion /cast Dire Bear Form() |
| 00:28.19 | Nandini | since I am not at the armor cap in bear form yet |
| 00:28.24 | Chaud | why not 0o |
| 00:28.39 | Chaud | Oh, Gruul |
| 00:29.04 | Dashkal | What is the cap? |
| 00:29.13 | erzy | make the priests/shamans spamm heal you so you get inspiration |
| 00:29.15 | erzy | 32.5k |
| 00:29.16 | Nandini | against a level 73 boss, around 34-35k armor |
| 00:29.17 | erzy | afaik |
| 00:29.23 | Nandini | and yes <3 inspiration :D |
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| 00:29.40 | Nandini | that does put me at 75% physical damage reduction |
| 00:29.56 | Chaud | yeah, our druid hit it somwhere in t5 content I think |
| 00:31.02 | Nandini | i wish inspiration could allow you to go over the armor cap, but that would probably make things too easy for druids |
| 00:31.19 | Nandini | we could become invulnerable like that |
| 00:31.27 | Nandini | or close to it |
| 00:31.35 | Chaud | Wait for 2.4.2 patchnotes =p |
| 00:31.44 | Chaud | no such thing as too easy |
| 00:31.56 | Nandini | true, i love the swipe change. take THAT, prot pallies! |
| 00:32.08 | Chaud | lol |
| 00:32.32 | Nandini | i can tank next to this sheep and this shackle and swipe my heart out |
| 00:33.30 | Chaud | good for running MTR when it hits live =D |
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| 00:34.30 | Nandini | i guess this means i should go back and look for that stupid maul/swipe idol |
| 00:34.50 | Nandini | for tanking big trash groups it might be better than 65 agi from mangle |
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| 00:38.31 | p3lim | anyone here got xchat? |
| 00:38.49 | ValleG | <-- how so? |
| 00:39.16 | Obelixprime | with outfitter, why does the riding outfit script say to disable the script if you're in a battleground but doesn't actually do it |
| 00:39.41 | Chaud | Why would you use it =\ |
| 00:39.45 | Chaud | the riding one |
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| 00:39.46 | p3lim | you know the channel tabs, can i place them of the top of the window instead of the bottom? |
| 00:39.55 | Obelixprime | So when I mount it equiips my riding crob |
| 00:39.56 | Obelixprime | crop |
| 00:40.08 | Obelixprime | Its set to automatically occur when i mount |
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| 00:40.16 | Nandini | the disable in battlegrounds works fine for my riding outfit |
| 00:40.30 | erzy | Throw crop in bank |
| 00:40.34 | p3lim | ValleG: you know the channel tabs, can i place them of the top of the window instead of the bottom? |
| 00:40.35 | Nandini | that way if i get into combat before i dismount, i'm not stuck with a riding crop in my trinket slot |
| 00:40.49 | ValleG | no idea, i use tree ;) |
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| 00:41.24 | Obelixprime | like you don't have to set it to disable in battleground? it knows you're in a battleground? |
| 00:41.39 | erzy | it knows you're in an instance afaik Obelixprime |
| 00:41.47 | Obelixprime | aahh |
| 00:41.48 | Obelixprime | found it |
| 00:41.54 | Obelixprime | there's a setting you have to do |
| 00:42.00 | Chaud | Outfitter has become self aware |
| 00:42.11 | Nandini | "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that." |
| 00:42.20 | p3lim | aww tree ftl :p |
| 00:42.21 | Obelixprime | lol |
| 00:42.28 | erzy | Closet Gnome > Outfitter anyways |
| 00:42.30 | Chaud | "This riding crop will stay on you at ALL times" |
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| 00:42.49 | p3lim | crap wrong button |
| 00:42.51 | ValleG | p3lim, Did you check settings, there's an option for it :> |
| 00:43.32 | Nandini | i've gotten so used to outfitter, closet gnome just seems clumsy and inelegant to me, even if people feel it is technically the "better" addon |
| 00:43.47 | Chaud | does it auto switch? |
| 00:43.54 | MageRooster | What does CG do that Outfitter doesn't? |
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| 00:45.03 | p3lim | ah lol didnt see |
| 00:45.11 | p3lim | was so sure i checked, but ok |
| 00:45.12 | p3lim | thanks :) |
| 00:45.52 | Nandini | MageRooster: CG doesn't have any more features than Outfitter, as far as I could determine |
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| 00:46.24 | teetow | I never got the hang of CG |
| 00:46.38 | ValleG | p3lim, I do that sometimes as well and feel like a total jerk when someone points out the obvious. |
| 00:46.40 | Nandini | but I became frustrated rather quickly trying to configure CG, so it's possible I gave up before I found something worth keeping it for |
| 00:46.50 | teetow | I used to have StanceSets, and Outfitter seems the closest in terms of behavior |
| 00:47.02 | MageRooster | Ah, then I'll stick with Outfitter. It is currently not throwing any errors and does what I need. |
| 00:47.17 | p3lim | ValleG: I feel like a total idiot tho, not a jerk :p |
| 00:47.22 | teetow | MageRooster: more or less the definition of a "good addon." |
| 00:47.32 | ValleG | Yeah, my english gets funky at 2am, sorry. |
| 00:47.36 | p3lim | man i love this client |
| 00:47.37 | p3lim | :D |
| 00:48.03 | MageRooster | Well, there's also 'the interface doesn't make em want to claw my eyes out', but it fits that criterion as well. :P |
| 00:48.04 | ValleG | Had a choice, took the worst one.. stay awake |
| 00:48.06 | Nandini | erzy, why do you feel CG > Outfitter? is there a feature i missed or some performance difference? |
| 00:48.21 | erzy | The RP messages ofc |
| 00:48.29 | Chaud | rofl |
| 00:48.38 | Chaud | mr plow had those = |
| 00:48.47 | p3lim | wondering if i should get a pixelfont for irc |
| 00:48.55 | erzy | mr plow made my bank messy, not cleaned up |
| 00:48.55 | p3lim | but im not sure if my eyes will bleed or not |
| 00:49.04 | ValleG | btw, does anyone know if it's possible to make a weapon/shield set in CG and have it not treated as a "full set" ? |
| 00:49.10 | p3lim | http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2004/324/0/2/E16___gDesklets_by_boerst.png |
| 00:49.12 | ValleG | Maybe it was changed since last time I tested it.. |
| 00:49.28 | Chaud | ew |
| 00:49.33 | Chaud | If you dont enjoy reading |
| 00:49.34 | Chaud | sure |
| 00:49.37 | ValleG | Last time I just got the queued message and had to mash the button for it to work. |
| 00:49.57 | ValleG | how the hell do you read that? |
| 00:49.59 | ValleG | lol |
| 00:50.55 | sb | Funkeh`: last one for today - need some sleep now ;) |
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| 00:51.16 | Funkeh` | cool :) |
| 00:51.22 | Funkeh` | sleep is a good idea |
| 00:51.45 | p3lim | sleep is for babies |
| 00:51.48 | Chaud | But can I make a tower out of blocks and knock it down |
| 00:52.10 | CIA-9 | Buffet: 03tekkub 07master * r7f3656b193 10Buffet/Buffet.lua: Add /castsequence for stone then pot if player has both |
| 00:52.38 | CIA-9 | 03sbu * r63973 10StatBlocks_CasterStats/: StatBlocks_CasterStats: logtemplate |
| 00:52.46 | ValleG | readable pixel fonts are nice but that font you had there was just crazy :) |
| 00:53.31 | sb | Funkeh`: is there a way to change the align? |
| 00:53.47 | Funkeh` | sb, why |
| 00:53.52 | Funkeh` | you can move the entire block |
| 00:54.12 | ValleG | 10 minutes ago i had wow open, now i can't remember where i put it. |
| 00:54.19 | sb | well - change Healer or Caster delimiter to "Newline" and you will see why :o |
| 00:54.39 | p3lim | ValleG: not my picture, just found it on deviantart |
| 00:54.39 | zapl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:54.45 | zapl | zomg |
| 00:54.51 | ValleG | p3lim, ahhh.. crazy font anyway |
| 00:54.52 | sb | :P |
| 00:55.03 | Funkeh` | sb, I don't plan on making it that complicated |
| 00:55.04 | p3lim | i have never had pixel fonts for more than 5 min |
| 00:55.07 | ValleG | I'm a sucker for monospace fonts or whatever it's called. |
| 00:55.14 | Funkeh` | you can do it with a 1 liner in your plugin probably |
| 00:55.25 | sb | so my plugins are too complicated? :p |
| 00:55.25 | p3lim | except my damage font ingame, just cause its sleek ^_^ |
| 00:55.26 | Funkeh` | :SetJustifyH("LEFT") I think |
| 00:55.27 | teetow | monospace rules for chatting |
| 00:55.39 | teetow | I use MS Consolas in Irssi |
| 00:55.40 | teetow | <3 |
| 00:55.51 | p3lim | hm got link for that font? |
| 00:55.58 | teetow | Consolas? |
| 00:55.59 | teetow | hmm |
| 00:56.02 | p3lim | y |
| 00:56.06 | teetow | it USED to be on the MS website... gimme a sec |
| 00:56.17 | Funkeh` | ~~api setjustifyh |
| 00:56.20 | Chaud | I hate people with UIs that have unreadble pixel fonts |
| 00:56.22 | teetow | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=22e69ae4-7e40-4807-8a86-b3d36fab68d3&displaylang=en |
| 00:56.29 | Arrowmaster | all those vista fonts fucking suck |
| 00:56.32 | Chaud | how do you PvP without seeing words |
| 00:56.35 | p3lim | :SetJustifyH"POINT" |
| 00:56.39 | Arrowmaster | they look fugly without clearfont |
| 00:56.46 | teetow | ah, yes. |
| 00:56.52 | teetow | they're optimized for ClearType |
| 00:57.02 | teetow | and look truly horrible without it, yes. |
| 00:57.27 | p3lim | hm |
| 00:57.29 | teetow | ProFontWin is an excellent alternative if all you have is Antialiasing, tho |
| 00:57.34 | Arrowmaster | you can download the powerpoint viewer from microsoft.com and get those fonts after installing it too |
| 00:57.51 | p3lim | bitstream vera serif 9 <3 |
| 00:57.55 | Arrowmaster | and keep the fonts after uninstalling powerpoint viewer |
| 00:58.02 | teetow | and the bitstream pack, yes |
| 00:58.06 | teetow | all good stuff =) |
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| 00:58.19 | p3lim | i love those fonts |
| 00:58.24 | Arrowmaster | my only issue with bitstream vera is the lowercase L |
| 00:58.42 | Arrowmaster | its ugly |
| 00:59.12 | p3lim | naaah |
| 00:59.20 | sacarasc | it's basic and all that's needed |
| 00:59.39 | teetow | also, it's distinguishable from 1 and I. |
| 00:59.42 | p3lim | http://i32.tinypic.com/1e0yuc.jpg |
| 00:59.56 | teetow | oh wait, that's the serif one |
| 01:00.15 | teetow | also, you don't have any AA =) |
| 01:00.20 | sacarasc | i use bitstream vera mono and i can tell the ditterence no problem |
| 01:00.23 | zapl | p3lim: http://www.alvit.de/blog/article/20-best-license-free-official-fonts |
| 01:00.38 | CIA-9 | StealYourCarbon: 03tekkub 072.4config * r0136c30625 10StealYourCarbon/ (Config.lua StealYourCarbon.lua): Tweak config panel subtitle for new features |
| 01:00.46 | CIA-9 | StealYourCarbon: 03tekkub 072.4config * reccf042e1e 10StealYourCarbon/Config.lua: Clean up item list's ReceiveDrag handler |
| 01:01.29 | sacarasc | why has StealYourCarbon got a hex revision number whereas most (all) others have decimal? |
| 01:02.28 | Funkeh` | sacarasc, git uses those revisions, different repo |
| 01:02.36 | sacarasc | ah |
| 01:02.39 | CIA-9 | 03sbu * r63974 10StatBlocks_HealerStats/StatBlocks_HealerStats.lua: StatBlocks_HealerStats: left-aligned if delimiter is newline |
| 01:03.02 | p3lim | zapl: ive actually seen that before, didnt like any of them |
| 01:03.05 | CIA-9 | 03sbu * r63975 10StatBlocks_CasterStats/StatBlocks_CasterStats.lua: StatBlocks_CasterStats: left-aligned if delimiter is newline |
| 01:03.09 | sacarasc | i'm used to massive git numbers... like 32 or 64 bit ones |
| 01:03.16 | sb | Funkeh`: okay - thats it :p |
| 01:03.27 | Funkeh` | nice work |
| 01:03.53 | Arrowmaster | sacarasc: thats only the first 10 from the real git revision number |
| 01:04.08 | sacarasc | lazy, i want to see them all! |
| 01:04.52 | Funkeh` | brb |
| 01:06.00 | ValleG | CG still can't make weapon sets :( |
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| 01:07.41 | Nandini | it annoys me that there is epic craftable plate frost and nature resist gear, but not leather |
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| 01:08.23 | ValleG | they need epic gear, we are epic! |
| 01:08.36 | ValleG | oh that was lame. |
| 01:08.55 | Nandini | it's like they're just saying, "sorry druids, we don't want you tanking hydross" |
| 01:13.33 | Funkeh` | sgaa ep20 is live |
| 01:13.45 | Funkeh` | NightHawkTheSane -! |
| 01:13.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Funkeh`: i just finished watchin git. :P |
| 01:14.08 | Funkeh` | pfft |
| 01:14.15 | NightHawkTheSane | its good |
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| 01:16.18 | sb | goodnight |
| 01:16.42 | Cryect | Nandini, well you still can tank the adds at least but yeah sucks |
| 01:17.08 | Cryect | especially since its used to be such a threat sensative fight |
| 01:19.48 | Nandini | that's true, we can still tank adds pretty well, and the same gear we use for that can be used on almost any resistance based fight, since it's mostly "resist all" stuff |
| 01:20.19 | zapl | p3lim, Arrowmaster: all monospaced fonts on teh internets with samples > http://www.lowing.org/fonts/ |
| 01:20.34 | p3lim | ooh |
| 01:20.46 | Arrowmaster | seen it |
| 01:20.49 | Arrowmaster | most suck |
| 01:23.09 | p3lim | gonna take a look at it after the movie im watching |
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| 01:31.58 | CIA-9 | 03starinnia * r63976 10StatBlocks_Ammo/ (7 files in 3 dirs): StatBlocks_Ammo: initial commit |
| 01:35.54 | CIA-9 | 03starinnia * r63977 10StatBlocks_Ammo/ (. Libs/): StatBlocks_Ammo: setup externals and logtemplate |
| 01:39.02 | CIA-9 | 03neotron * r63978 10MagicMarker/ (Config.lua Locales/Locale-enUS.lua MagicMarker.lua): |
| 01:39.02 | CIA-9 | MagicMarker: |
| 01:39.02 | CIA-9 | - Added buttons to remove a mob from a zone as well as remove an entire zone. Non-reversible! |
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| 01:40.59 | NeoTron | Cryect: you can, easily, MT hydross as a druid |
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| 01:41.17 | NeoTron | still sucks but we always use a druid as one of the two tanks |
| 01:43.53 | Nandini | i can just never find the randomly enchanted blues i need on the AH |
| 01:44.03 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r63979 10Recount2/ (Data.lua GUI_List.lua Widgets.lua): |
| 01:44.03 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 01:44.03 | CIA-9 | -Windows can have titles now :SetTitle(titleText) |
| 01:44.03 | CIA-9 | -List Frames will no longer recalculate the value being sorted on for combatants that have not had their data change since last update |
| 01:44.04 | Nandini | and no one ever wants to farm the basement bosses in kara |
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| 01:44.06 | Cryect | well you can but finding the resistance sucks |
| 01:44.27 | Nandini | plus wearing the randomly enchanted gear, we have only a tiny amount of threat output |
| 01:44.36 | Cryect | Its higher than warriors |
| 01:44.41 | Nandini | and become vulnerable to melee elemental crits |
| 01:44.43 | Cryect | wearing same resistance levels |
| 01:44.54 | Cryect | yeah the defense reduction hurts |
| 01:45.34 | Nandini | we can get back to crit immune pretty easily with a couple pieces of arena or vindicators gear tho |
| 01:47.03 | Nandini | i actually enjoy doing the basement trash and bosses in kara, but my guild thinks it's a waste of time |
| 01:48.41 | Cryect | Heh yes thats true now |
| 01:48.47 | Cryect | Wish it was true when I was learning hydross |
| 01:49.05 | Nandini | and our stupid nature tank is an orc warrior and won't switch to frost so i can take advantage of my extra tauren 10 nature resist |
| 01:49.39 | Nandini | i doubt 10 would make or break a fight, but we are struggling, so every bit easier we can make it helps |
| 01:49.48 | Chompers | Cryect, with recount2. will it let me track things other than pre-defined data? |
| 01:50.04 | Chompers | number of mage tables used or things like that |
| 01:50.07 | Cryect | there is no predefined data really |
| 01:50.16 | Cryect | well stuff like that will require modules |
| 01:50.35 | Cryect | the very base Recount 2 will only be damage/healing stats |
| 01:50.49 | Chompers | nothing that you could define yourself then? |
| 01:50.59 | Cryect | Well you could define it through code |
| 01:51.09 | Cryect | Maybe I will look at some sort of simple event parser language |
| 01:51.10 | Chompers | i'm thinking ingame though |
| 01:51.36 | Chompers | imagine the crazy lists people could make :P |
| 01:51.40 | Cryect | at the moment lets say no you won't be able to do that ingame |
| 01:52.05 | Cryect | well at the moment anything you can possibly think of that involves damage/healing you could make |
| 01:54.04 | Cryect | this is what the UI is currently looking like at the moment btw http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6884/recount2windowwn8.jpg |
| 01:54.10 | Gngsk | Snago, ping |
| 01:54.20 | Chompers | looking good so far |
| 01:55.34 | Chompers | someone called shaggerz :O |
| 01:56.30 | ckknight | Cryect: planning on making an excel clone? |
| 01:56.42 | Chompers | it looks nice! |
| 01:57.12 | Cryect | haha, no |
| 01:58.01 | sag_ich_nicht | http://img.4chan.org/b/res/57414163.html |
| 01:58.04 | sag_ich_nicht | oh wait |
| 01:58.06 | sag_ich_nicht | wrong channel |
| 01:58.08 | sag_ich_nicht | nvm |
| 01:58.15 | Funkeh` | whats with the xp style scroll etc |
| 01:58.30 | Funkeh` | Cryect, just use blozz ones ;p |
| 01:58.33 | Funkeh` | blizz |
| 01:58.37 | Cryect | I hate the blizzard ones |
| 01:58.40 | Cryect | they are ugly as hell |
| 01:58.48 | Funkeh` | I hate xp ones! |
| 01:58.50 | Cryect | also the blizzard scrollframe is horrible as hell |
| 01:58.54 | ulic | can we make it optional? I hate seeing windows :) |
| 01:58.56 | Cryect | good you will be able to make your own |
| 01:59.14 | Funkeh` | don't make me :( |
| 01:59.17 | Cryect | heh |
| 01:59.53 | Hjalte | Hehe. It's nice to see that Omen has 20k downloads/day versus KLHT with just 3,5k. |
| 01:59.57 | Funkeh` | use vista ones imo |
| 01:59.59 | ruinna | is anyone good with DogTag format strings? i'm trying to make name text colored based on range (white if in range, grayed out if out of max range) |
| 02:00.29 | Cryect | I don't have vista and finding extracted versions of that stuff is like impossible |
| 02:00.47 | Cryect | isn't vista like that weird blurry translucent title bars? |
| 02:01.00 | Funkeh` | nope |
| 02:01.19 | Cryect | I seem to recall one thats what one of QA guys had |
| 02:01.33 | Tem|AFK | ewwwwww |
| 02:01.41 | Tem|AFK | XP style scroll bars ftl |
| 02:01.49 | Funkeh` | thank you! |
| 02:01.52 | Cryect | Better than awful blizzard scroll bars ;) |
| 02:01.57 | Tem|AFK | absolutely not |
| 02:02.02 | Cryect | ugh yes |
| 02:02.05 | Tem|AFK | ugh no |
| 02:02.09 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 02:02.11 | Cryect | I hate blizzard scroll bars with a passion |
| 02:02.23 | Cryect | give me some other decent looking textures and I will add those as well :-p |
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| 02:03.02 | Tem|AFK | I have the artistic talent of a retarded dog |
| 02:03.09 | Cryect | yeah I do too! |
| 02:03.10 | Tem|AFK | so you can't get any textures out of me |
| 02:03.17 | Tem|AFK | but for god's sake |
| 02:03.19 | Tem|AFK | no xp |
| 02:04.17 | Funkeh` | vista I say |
| 02:04.34 | Cryect | Funkeh` you talking this style http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scrollbar6bl.jpg ? |
| 02:05.14 | Stanzilla | awww |
| 02:05.18 | Stanzilla | beta 2 was soo sexy |
| 02:05.32 | Funkeh` | Cryect, yes |
| 02:06.12 | Cryect | Get me some good lossless screenshots sometime of horizontal and vertical scrollbars and I will rip them into something similar then |
| 02:09.39 | ulic | is recount2 only for 2.4+? |
| 02:09.43 | Cryect | yeah |
| 02:09.49 | ulic | thats what I thought |
| 02:09.53 | Cryect | its not going to be really in a usable state before 2.4 anyways |
| 02:09.54 | Tem|AFK | why would anyone do any more development for 2.3-? |
| 02:10.09 | Cryect | Because they are doing something not combat log related? |
| 02:10.22 | Tem|AFK | ugh |
| 02:10.25 | Tem|AFK | you know what I meant |
| 02:10.27 | ulic | Tem|AFK: I didn't except it would be, but was just clarifying |
| 02:10.42 | Cryect | heh yes |
| 02:11.03 | Yssaril | Cryect: http://bhguild.org/yssaril/vista.tif |
| 02:11.37 | Cryect | fucking quicktime trying to show it then doing nothing >_> |
| 02:11.43 | Yssaril | :P |
| 02:12.02 | Yssaril | l2saveas :P |
| 02:12.37 | Tem|AFK | quiktime needs to fucking die |
| 02:12.37 | Cryect | can't do that in this irc client |
| 02:12.48 | Yssaril | bah |
| 02:12.54 | Tem|AFK | and VB needs to go with it |
| 02:14.01 | Yssaril | Cryect: http://bhguild.org/yssaril/vista.bmp |
| 02:14.12 | Yssaril | thats as lossless as you can get :P |
| 02:14.38 | Cryect | oh I already downloaded it just had to change some settings in Firefox |
| 02:14.46 | Yssaril | :P |
| 02:15.01 | Cryect | heh I normally don't click on tif's so hadn't realized quicktime had associated them with itself |
| 02:15.44 | Chaud | fail =\ |
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| 02:17.16 | Cryect | can you find a horizontal one as well so I can get the shading correct |
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| 02:18.56 | Hjalte | Is a sanctuary region a place where horde and alliance can't fight each other? |
| 02:19.09 | Cryect | right |
| 02:19.21 | Cryect | or anyone actually |
| 02:19.25 | Cryect | can't duel either |
| 02:19.39 | Yssaril | Cryect: http://bhguild.org/yssaril/vista2.tif |
| 02:19.46 | Cryect | thank you! |
| 02:21.04 | Cryect | and I see they are just rotated >_> |
| 02:21.20 | Yssaril | yep:P |
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| 02:22.35 | ruinna | hmm... what's wrong with this DogTag? it doesn't seem to work-- [Name:Color(IsVisible ? ~DeadType ? MaxRange ? ff0000 ! 00ff00)] |
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| 02:24.24 | ruinna | i can't even get a single conditional to work inside Color() :( |
| 02:24.35 | Antiarc | Evening guys. |
| 02:26.01 | Fin | nymbia: hello! I have a question for you about StitchUI if that's OK |
| 02:27.00 | Chaud | Say its not okay. |
| 02:27.29 | Cryect | its never okay! |
| 02:27.37 | ruinna | ckknight: could you help me with a DogTag format string question? I'm trying to get something like this working: [Name:Color(~DeadType ? 00ff00 ! ff0000)] but the conditional inside Color() doesn't seem to take.. |
| 02:27.40 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 02:27.47 | Fin | well, it might not be! maybe it's not being maintained anymore, or moved to another repository, or something |
| 02:28.07 | Hjalte | Any ideas to how I can avoid raiding half an hour in my pvp gear before I find out what's wrong? |
| 02:28.29 | ckknight | ruinna: note that this will be fixed soon once I finish DogTag-3.0, but your answer is [Name:Color([~DeadType ? Text(00ff00) ! Text(ff0000)])] |
| 02:28.45 | vhaarr | Hjalte: ClosetGnome_Zone |
| 02:28.49 | ruinna | ckknight: great! thanks so much |
| 02:28.54 | Fin | hah, that's nothing, I was using a fishing rod in Kara up until the third boss we did |
| 02:29.13 | Hjalte | vhaarr: I'm guessing that will do. I have two raiding sets though, but I mostly use one of them. Thanks :) |
| 02:29.36 | sacarasc | Fin: nice... |
| 02:29.42 | vhaarr | Hjalte: FYI; I didn't make CGZ, please tell me how it works out and if it should be changed in any way. |
| 02:29.48 | Fin | I even put mana oil on it, d'oh |
| 02:30.00 | vhaarr | Fin: rofl |
| 02:30.01 | sacarasc | what class/spec? |
| 02:30.04 | ckknight | ruinna: the new way would be something along the lines of [Name:Color(IsDead ? "ff0000" ! "00ff00")], makes a bit more sense to me, your thoughts? |
| 02:30.17 | Fin | (who me? priest / healy) |
| 02:30.42 | sacarasc | it could have been worse then... imagine some 2h melee dpser with it ;o |
| 02:30.58 | ruinna | ckknight: yes, i like that much more, but i'm curious-- i'd rather like to string a few more conditionals in there in addition to IsDead |
| 02:31.09 | Fin | hah, yeah :) |
| 02:31.13 | ruinna | something like IsVisible ? ~IsDead ? MaxRange |
| 02:31.19 | Fin | I just wonder how many people saw me using a fishing rod and *didn't* say anything |
| 02:31.34 | ruinna | .. well, simply put, InRange |
| 02:31.37 | ckknight | ruinna: well, the new system supports if-then-else syntax as well as a proper "and" |
| 02:31.48 | sacarasc | Fin: i rarely look at other peoples gear, so i might not have ;p |
| 02:32.02 | ruinna | ckknight: that sounds wonderful |
| 02:32.10 | Fin | in my defense I rarely look at anything really except health bars while healing :) |
| 02:32.16 | Fin | it's a poor defense, though :) |
| 02:32.18 | ckknight | [if IsVisible and not IsDead and MaxRange then "Something"] or [IsVisible & ~IsDead & MaxRange ? "Something"] |
| 02:32.25 | Nandini | Fin: it's much worse if you're a feral druid because you look the same no matter what gear you have equipped |
| 02:32.29 | ckknight | those two are the exact same thing |
| 02:32.38 | ruinna | ckknight: so to do this chaining now, what does the syntax look like? |
| 02:33.31 | ckknight | ruinna: [Name:Color([[IsVisible ? ~DeadType ? MaxRange] ? Text(00ff00) ! Text(ff0000)])] |
| 02:33.49 | ruinna | ckknight: oh.. a bit easier than i'd feared |
| 02:34.04 | ruinna | ckknight: i'll definitely be looking forward to the simplified syntax though :) |
| 02:34.14 | ckknight | well, I'm working on LibDogTag-3.0 now |
| 02:34.24 | ckknight | it'll be out with WoW 2.4, at least |
| 02:34.36 | Chaud | But will it be the best thing since silced bread? |
| 02:34.44 | ruinna | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.27 | ckknight | yes, Chaud |
| 02:35.36 | ckknight | sliced bread having been invented the previous winter |
| 02:35.51 | Hjalte | vhaarr: Kind of along the same track, is it possible to add some kind of indicator to the fubar text that a part of the set you are wearing right now is not part of that set? (i sometimes equip a non-set trinket and then forget to change it before an important boss fight |
| 02:36.05 | vhaarr | Hjalte: no |
| 02:38.05 | lagger` | is there a totem timer mod for test realm |
| 02:38.28 | Lemming2K | the default ui ^^ |
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| 02:39.30 | rspinuz | is there openoffice.org help here? |
| 02:39.48 | ckknight | no, not here |
| 02:39.49 | Hjalte | vhaarr: CGZ seems to work fine. |
| 02:39.51 | ruinna | ckknight: that last chained conditional didn't seem to work in my version of dogtag |
| 02:40.02 | ruinna | ckknight: perhaps more nested braces are required? |
| 02:40.07 | ckknight | don't think so |
| 02:40.12 | ckknight | get any errors? |
| 02:40.20 | ruinna | ya a few. i'll try again |
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| 02:40.43 | Zorkmid | wow sucks |
| 02:41.09 | theoddone33 | wow how do I configure tinytip |
| 02:41.25 | Lemming2K | ./ttip |
| 02:41.32 | Chaud | rofl |
| 02:41.38 | theoddone33 | doesn't work |
| 02:41.41 | Hjalte | Hmm. An idea for an addon could be Closetgnome_Warner or something, warning me when i'm in Zone A, wearing my Set B, but where i've told it that I would like to always wear Set A. (Oh, and I don't have any coding experience, so I can't :)) |
| 02:41.48 | sacarasc | Zorkmid: so does you mom, but not very well, you should train her better |
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| 02:42.59 | Tem|AFK | theoddone33, blind updating is bad. You are an example of this. |
| 02:43.13 | theoddone33 | wow |
| 02:43.47 | dylanm | theoddone33: Thrae is rewriting a lot of TT so the recent versions... as far as I know the config doesn't work. |
| 02:44.12 | Orionshock | ... |
| 02:44.54 | ruinna | ckknight: no, it was something i'd done wrong. but im not sure i understand the behavior of [MaxRange].. Do i have to enable range checking in global options for it to work? |
| 02:45.07 | ckknight | you have to install LibRangeCheck-1.0 |
| 02:45.08 | ckknight | I think |
| 02:45.17 | ruinna | almost positive i have it |
| 02:45.18 | Tem|AFK | library interdependency |
| 02:45.19 | Tem|AFK | yay! |
| 02:46.13 | Lemming2K | i am waiting for LibBrain-1.0 to make pug more enjoyable |
| 02:46.29 | *** join/#wowace doc^blup (n=Miranda@c147221.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 02:47.04 | Zorkmid | my fat ass cousin is sitting downstairs rotting his mind on WoW right now, for the last.....2 anda half months |
| 02:47.40 | dylanm | He deserves a break. |
| 02:48.56 | zapl | Fin: Did you figure out a way how to use secure templates to target enemys by name? |
| 02:48.59 | ckknight | Tem|AFK: it's purely optional, and up to the addon to support whether that tag works |
| 02:49.18 | ruinna | ckknight: nope.. guess i don't have it. Is it called "LibRangeCheck-1.0" or just "RangeCheck-1.0"? |
| 02:49.23 | Tem|AFK | that's fine |
| 02:49.25 | Tem|AFK | just saying |
| 02:49.27 | ckknight | I dunno, one of those |
| 02:49.29 | Hjalte | Lemming2K: I've done this place 100 times on all my alts, let me show you how to do proper pulling! ... Okay, everyone run out fast. |
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| 02:50.37 | *** join/#wowace Drake_Conril (n=noneed@user-387gnce.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 02:50.41 | Drake_Conril | Hey |
| 02:50.47 | Drake_Conril | Can someone PLEASE tell me something |
| 02:50.56 | ckknight | okay |
| 02:50.58 | Gnarfoz | something |
| 02:51.00 | Drake_Conril | Is there anywhere that I can buy an authentication key? |
| 02:51.02 | sacarasc | 299792458 m/s |
| 02:51.07 | Drake_Conril | For WoW. |
| 02:51.13 | dylanm | Wha? |
| 02:51.21 | Drake_Conril | I want to buy an authentication key for WoW. |
| 02:51.24 | Drake_Conril | Online. |
| 02:51.27 | Gnarfoz | ebay |
| 02:51.28 | Gnarfoz | I guess |
| 02:51.29 | sacarasc | from your local computer game store, just buy the game, or from blizzard |
| 02:51.30 | Lemming2K | buy the game |
| 02:51.37 | Drake_Conril | I said ONLINE. |
| 02:51.38 | Lemming2K | from any online store |
| 02:51.41 | sacarasc | i bought mine direct from blizzard |
| 02:51.44 | Gnarfoz | they don't offer that anywhere else than in China |
| 02:51.46 | Drake_Conril | Im saying.. |
| 02:51.50 | Drake_Conril | I don't want them to ship it. |
| 02:51.57 | Drake_Conril | I want them to just give me the authentication key |
| 02:51.58 | Drake_Conril | Thats it |
| 02:52.02 | Gnarfoz | Drake_Conril: eBay -.- |
| 02:52.16 | sacarasc | Drake_Conril: direct from blizzard |
| 02:52.20 | Drake_Conril | There's no other options? |
| 02:52.21 | sacarasc | it's how I bought WoW |
| 02:52.22 | Drake_Conril | Ohhh |
| 02:52.26 | Drake_Conril | Sacarasc, how? |
| 02:52.28 | dylanm | Wait what's wrong with buying it from the Blizzard site? |
| 02:52.30 | sacarasc | *sacarasc |
| 02:52.33 | sacarasc | NOT A CAPITAL |
| 02:52.38 | dylanm | That's how I started :p you never have to get a CD or anything. |
| 02:52.51 | ckknight | Drake_Conril: I'm fond of gamersloot.net |
| 02:52.51 | Drake_Conril | How, Dylan? |
| 02:52.54 | Gnarfoz | I'm wondering that, too. they don't offer that here, do they offer it for the US now? |
| 02:53.09 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r63980 10BetterQuestTracker/ (config.lua core.lua): |
| 02:53.10 | CIA-9 | BetterQuestTracker: |
| 02:53.10 | CIA-9 | -Default strata to MEDIUM -- stops the tracker sitting over bags. |
| 02:53.10 | CIA-9 | -Redo the by-zone and by-level loops to not show headers for groups that are entirely empty due to filters. |
| 02:53.10 | CIA-9 | -Remove the zone filter validate function -- it needs to be able to be set to "", otherwise it can't be cleared. |
| 02:53.11 | CIA-9 | -Change chat command to /betterquesttracker. /bqt now opens the gui. |
| 02:53.11 | sacarasc | make an account using the trial, log in to the site, then it's somewhere in the account stuff |
| 02:53.41 | Gnarfoz | so you can upgrade to full online, but buy a new key online? |
| 02:53.45 | Gnarfoz | that's stupid >_> |
| 02:54.05 | dylanm | What? |
| 02:54.11 | Kemayo | ruinna: You were looking for me earlier? |
| 02:54.36 | ruinna | Kemayo: ya! i've added a new feature request to auldlangsyne :) |
| 02:55.03 | ruinna | Kemayo: i was interested in adding tracking for channel membership and "affiliate" guilds |
| 02:56.02 | sag_ich_nicht | NeoTron ping |
| 02:56.16 | sag_ich_nicht | anyone using NeoTron's addon MagicMarker? :P |
| 02:56.23 | Gnarfoz | sag_ich_nicht: yes |
| 02:56.35 | Gnarfoz | it rocks :> |
| 02:56.36 | Zorkmid | just log into craiger37/bellies37 |
| 02:56.45 | Lemming2K | ckknight: will pitbull have totem timers in 2.4? Since it will obviously hide the blizzard ones |
| 02:56.51 | Kemayo | ruinna: I have no conceptual objection to these, but also no particular interest in writing them myself at the moment. |
| 02:57.33 | ruinna | Kemayo: ok :) i may take a look at the module organization and see if i can't figure it out myself |
| 02:57.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Gnarfoz: it doesn't work for me for marking on mouseover |
| 02:57.43 | sag_ich_nicht | Gnarfoz: you got that working? if so tell me how D: |
| 02:57.52 | Gnarfoz | sag_ich_nicht: ... hold alt and mouseover. |
| 02:58.03 | Gnarfoz | =} it's how it works ^^ |
| 02:58.06 | sag_ich_nicht | Gnarfoz: aaaaaaaaargh |
| 02:58.20 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 02:58.27 | Zorkmid | just log into craiger37/bellies37 |
| 02:58.28 | Zorkmid | :P |
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| 02:59.04 | Gnarfoz | ~seen neotron |
| 02:59.07 | purl | neotron is currently on #wowace. Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 1h 17m 50s, last said: 'still sucks but we always use a druid as one of the two tanks'. |
| 02:59.24 | Gnarfoz | I'd rather know if there's a way to purge entries from the list besides killing them in the SV |
| 02:59.26 | Kemayo | ruinna: The module system is pretty simple. You create your new module as "module = AuldLangSyne:NewModule("Name", mixins)", and if you want to provide options just make sure they're on "moduleobject.menu". |
| 02:59.56 | ruinna | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.23 | eXemplar | if i have a heap of not calculated honour and i transfer, will it go with me? |
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| 03:00.40 | ruinna | Kemayo: ty :) i may come back and pester you if i run into more specific questions |
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| 03:00.56 | Kemayo | ruinna: Sure. I think the Backup module is about the simplest one, if you're looking for examples. |
| 03:01.35 | ruinna | Kemayo: ya, i'll look through them and try to follow any obvious conventions |
| 03:01.44 | Gnarfoz | ruinna: transfers take days anyway, just wait it out, no risk etc? :> |
| 03:02.14 | Kemayo | I'm happy to answer questions, in any case. :D |
| 03:02.23 | teetow | transfers take days? |
| 03:03.29 | decaprime | I just started writing my first ace addon today and i've made a ton of progress, one of the backbones of this addon is storing a count for players, its saved in the db as a table indexed by player name, i'm wondering if there was a way to use groups to make a slash command like /pmi player <playername> <value> -currently I have it set as a text command with no get that parses the arguments |
| 03:04.01 | Drake_Conril | I just looked into the account upgrade thing.. |
| 03:04.06 | ag` | http://lisaelama.com/wp-content/28820.jpg |
| 03:04.15 | ag` | clouds and bushes!! |
| 03:04.23 | decaprime | so basically /pmi player <playername> would be the get and /pmi player <playername> <value> would be the set |
| 03:04.27 | teetow | hehe, that link is spreading like wildfire |
| 03:04.29 | Drake_Conril | It appears that I'm only allowed to enter in an authentication key when I've ALREADY bought the game.. What is the way that I can handle the authentication key purchase online? |
| 03:05.04 | ckknight | Lemming2K: yes |
| 03:05.45 | ckknight | ag`: it's true :'( |
| 03:05.53 | ag` | yes( |
| 03:05.55 | ag` | :( |
| 03:06.00 | ag` | I never noticed it |
| 03:06.32 | Seerah | ~seen Elsia |
| 03:06.33 | purl | elsia <i=elsiarow@p57A27C74.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 5h 24m 11s ago, saying: 'in fact if there was an FPS tag, you could probably do a lot with just the _Tags one'. |
| 03:08.53 | decaprime | i've tried get = function(p) return PUG_MI.db.profile.characters[p] end, set = function(p,v) PUG_MI.db.profile.characters[p]=v end, to no avail =( |
| 03:08.58 | CIA-9 | 03ckknight * r63981 10LibDogTag-3.0/ (9 files in 2 dirs): |
| 03:08.58 | CIA-9 | LibDogTag-3.0 - assorted refactoring and renaming |
| 03:08.58 | CIA-9 | - random optimizations |
| 03:08.58 | CIA-9 | - add tags to Math.lua and add TextManip.lua |
| 03:08.58 | CIA-9 | - add fake global system |
| 03:08.59 | CIA-9 | - update lib.xml |
| 03:09.01 | CIA-9 | - fix negative handling by the parser. |
| 03:12.29 | Fin | zapl: I'm afraid not, but I asked if it were possible, and was told yes. hello btw! :) |
| 03:12.41 | Fin | oh |
| 03:12.42 | Fin | he's not here |
| 03:12.44 | Fin | FINE |
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| 03:12.49 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r63982 10BetterQuestTracker/ (config.lua core.lua): |
| 03:12.49 | CIA-9 | BetterQuestTracker: |
| 03:12.49 | CIA-9 | -Tracker enabling/disabling was broken. |
| 03:12.49 | CIA-9 | -Enabling a tracker that was disabled in the current session now actually :Shows it. |
| 03:13.06 | sag_ich_nicht | w00t, LDT-3.0? |
| 03:13.15 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: yea |
| 03:13.18 | ckknight | not done yet |
| 03:13.27 | ckknight | but what is done is pretty cool |
| 03:14.25 | ckknight | I like this syntax, btw: ["Hello":Truncate(3, ellipsis="True")] => "Hel..." |
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| 03:14.44 | ckknight | it's actually True by default, though, so the ellipsis part is pointless |
| 03:14.57 | ckknight | in any event, it's all pretty shiny |
| 03:15.02 | ckknight | and you can specify kwargs like in python |
| 03:15.32 | sag_ich_nicht | o.o |
| 03:15.40 | ckknight | among other things |
| 03:15.56 | ckknight | like there's no such thing as modifiers anymore, they're equivalent to tags |
| 03:16.05 | ckknight | so ["Hello":Green] is the same as [Green("Hello")] |
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| 03:16.14 | Kemayo | I still think it would have been far more amusing if you reimplemented lisp. :P |
| 03:16.17 | ckknight | strings are wrapped in quotes now |
| 03:16.22 | ckknight | yea, Kemayo, I know |
| 03:16.28 | ckknight | but LISP is awesome |
| 03:16.35 | ckknight | and DogTag doesn't actually have list manipulation |
| 03:17.10 | ckknight | let's see, what else is different... it's not longer tied to a unit-based implementation |
| 03:17.11 | Orionshock | hehe, got a StatBlock to do DogTags... hehe... |
| 03:17.47 | ckknight | [HP(unit="mouseovertarget")] instead of [CurHP#mouseovertarget] |
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| 03:17.49 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: is AND and OR now more consistent so my insane dogtags that very created using k-maps would actually work? :P |
| 03:18.13 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: there's &, | and also and and or |
| 03:18.18 | ckknight | & = and, | = or |
| 03:18.23 | sag_ich_nicht | and by more consistant is "not stop parsing at the first output string" |
| 03:18.25 | ckknight | but it's different from ? |
| 03:18.38 | sag_ich_nicht | s/is/i mean/ |
| 03:18.42 | sag_ich_nicht | argh |
| 03:18.43 | sag_ich_nicht | fuck you purl |
| 03:18.43 | ckknight | also, there's an if-then-else statement |
| 03:18.55 | ckknight | [if condition then "something" else "monkey"] |
| 03:18.56 | sag_ich_nicht | ~fail purl |
| 03:18.57 | purl | You suck at everything in life, purl. I hate you because you fail. |
| 03:19.04 | ckknight | same as [condition ? "something" ! "monkey"] |
| 03:19.10 | ckknight | whichever one you choose is fine |
| 03:19.19 | sag_ich_nicht | great |
| 03:19.32 | ckknight | but you can do [condition & something ? "yowza"] |
| 03:19.38 | ckknight | or however you want |
| 03:20.07 | ckknight | oh, concatenation is different |
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| 03:21.42 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: does the parsing still stop at the first occurance of a string? |
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| 03:21.54 | sag_ich_nicht | argh |
| 03:21.58 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight_: does the parsing still stop at the first occurance of a string? |
| 03:22.31 | ckknight_ | bah |
| 03:22.33 | ckknight_ | instead of doing [One:Append([Two])], you can do [One Two], there's concatenation by juxtaposition |
| 03:22.35 | ckknight_ | sag_ich_nicht: not sure what you mean, gimme an example? |
| 03:22.48 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: remember that flamewar? |
| 03:22.50 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah, well, that. |
| 03:23.04 | ckknight | oh yea, when you were doing it wrong |
| 03:23.12 | ckknight | but DogTag-2.0 did confuse the situation, no doubt |
| 03:23.29 | ckknight | it was because you used the if statement improperly |
| 03:24.07 | sag_ich_nicht | because i wanted AND but got IF, and because the parser stopped at the first string occurance and ignored the rest |
| 03:24.18 | sag_ich_nicht | thus my question if this behaviour is different in 3.0 :) |
| 03:24.31 | ckknight | and is different from if, so what's your question? |
| 03:24.37 | ckknight | I already said and was different from if |
| 03:24.45 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah but |
| 03:24.48 | sag_ich_nicht | oh wait |
| 03:24.49 | sag_ich_nicht | so |
| 03:24.51 | ckknight | and = and/&, if = if/? |
| 03:25.00 | ckknight | or = or/| |
| 03:25.12 | ckknight | | and & have the same order of operations level |
| 03:25.14 | sag_ich_nicht | [CanBeTrueOrFalse & SomeStringHere] won't print anythng? |
| 03:25.19 | sag_ich_nicht | *anything |
| 03:25.30 | ckknight | it will if the first is evaluated to true |
| 03:25.38 | Seerah | just as long as my head doesn't explode, I'll be fine with your changes, ck ;) |
| 03:25.52 | ckknight | Seerah: it's actually made a hell of a lot simpler for users |
| 03:26.48 | Seerah | I haven't been keeping up with the conversation if it was already mentioned... I just redid PitBull and Cowtip tonight. Will I need to do it again? :P |
| 03:27.09 | ckknight | yes, when 2.4 is launched |
| 03:27.33 | ckknight | oh, btw, I saw you're pic |
| 03:27.35 | ckknight | I'd tap that |
| 03:27.54 | ckknight | *thumbs up* |
| 03:28.00 | Seerah | what pic? |
| 03:28.07 | Gngsk | heh |
| 03:28.18 | ckknight | Seerah: on facebook |
| 03:28.23 | Seerah | ohhhh |
| 03:28.33 | Seerah | you'll have to get past my hubby first ;) |
| 03:28.42 | ckknight | how big is he? |
| 03:28.48 | ckknight | :-P |
| 03:29.04 | teetow | more importantly: is he feral or resto? |
| 03:29.24 | ckknight | hehe |
| 03:29.56 | sag_ich_nicht | [04:25] <@ckknight> it will if the first is evaluated to true <--okay and [String & True ? String] ? :P |
| 03:30.05 | sag_ich_nicht | wait that's rong |
| 03:30.07 | Seerah | he's a prot warrior, and has a feral druid alt :P |
| 03:30.09 | sag_ich_nicht | [04:25] <@ckknight> it will if the first is evaluated to true <--okay and [String1 & True ? String2] ? :P |
| 03:30.10 | sag_ich_nicht | fixed |
| 03:30.38 | sag_ich_nicht | just making sure i won't try something dumb :P |
| 03:30.43 | sag_ich_nicht | argh |
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| 03:30.53 | sag_ich_nicht | [04:25] <@ckknight> it will if the first is evaluated to true <--okay and [String1 & True ? String2] ? :P |
| 03:30.53 | Seerah | lrn2irc ck |
| 03:30.54 | sag_ich_nicht | just making sure i won't try something dumb :P |
| 03:30.59 | sag_ich_nicht | it's not his IRC |
| 03:31.03 | sag_ich_nicht | it's his internet connection |
| 03:31.06 | Seerah | it's his connection, I know |
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| 03:31.33 | Seerah | irc is shorter than lrn2connect2theinterwebz |
| 03:31.41 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 03:31.45 | sag_ich_nicht | that's because what you SHOULD say |
| 03:31.46 | sag_ich_nicht | is |
| 03:31.49 | sag_ich_nicht | lern2internet |
| 03:31.51 | sag_ich_nicht | nub |
| 03:32.00 | Seerah | ~lart sag_ich_nicht |
| 03:32.00 | purl | gives sag_ich_nicht an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending sag_ich_nicht to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
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| 03:33.09 | ckknight | :-( |
| 03:33.11 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: it deduces down to [if (String1 and True) then String2] |
| 03:33.13 | ckknight | if that makes more sense to you |
| 03:33.20 | ckknight | also, sag_ich_nicht, I have a very large and comprehensive test suite, if at any time you'd like a specific example checked for, I'd be happy to add it |
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| 03:33.56 | sag_ich_nicht | [04:33] <@ckknight> sag_ich_nicht: it deduces down to [if (String1 and True) then String2] <--that's awesome, so it will print String2 if String1 exists(aka isn't false)? fuck yes |
| 03:34.12 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: and that True is pointless, so you know |
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| 03:34.41 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: i know, it was just an example |
| 03:35.04 | ckknight | P.S. [if (String1 and True) then String2] is a valid LibDogTag-3.0 sequence |
| 03:35.06 | ckknight | so you know |
| 03:35.14 | sag_ich_nicht | nice |
| 03:35.17 | sag_ich_nicht | <3 |
| 03:35.32 | sag_ich_nicht | kmap based dogtags that nobody but me understands incoming |
| 03:35.39 | ckknight | ...k |
| 03:35.50 | sag_ich_nicht | lemme find it |
| 03:36.18 | Chaud | Will there be a dogtag to say if a skill is off cooldown? |
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| 03:38.35 | ckknight | hang on, switching to irssi |
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| 03:38.59 | ckknight | Chaud, I'd tell you to add it to the jira if Kaelten would've created one for me already. I've been asking him for the last week, but I guess he's been busy |
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| 03:42.29 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: i'm think along the line of [[IsEnemy | ~IsPlayerOrPet | [IsPlayerOrPet & ~SureHP]] & PercentHP:Percent] |
| 03:42.37 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 03:43.03 | sag_ich_nicht | (yes that is horrible) |
| 03:43.21 | sag_ich_nicht | might have to use a ? at the end, meh |
| 03:43.25 | sag_ich_nicht | not gonna do it anyway :P |
| 03:43.36 | ckknight | that is a horrible tag, so you know |
| 03:43.38 | ckknight | ick |
| 03:43.39 | ckknight | :-P |
| 03:44.00 | ckknight | but that should work |
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| 04:01.51 | *** topic/#wowace is http://www.wowace.com | http://files.wowace.com/ | http://ace.pastey.net | http://www.lua.org | Ace3 in beta | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | Everything of importance has been said before by somebody who did not discover it. |
| 04:03.54 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r63983 10Recount2/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 04:03.54 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 04:03.54 | CIA-9 | -Adds a Luna Element style windowing example http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7862/recountlunahj5.jpg |
| 04:04.17 | Cryect | now to work on those scrollbars to satisfy the complainers :-p |
| 04:05.32 | ckknight | Dashkal: if you enable them in the rock config for your addon, on PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 04:05.38 | ckknight | I think |
| 04:09.30 | Orionshock | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33356 |
| 04:09.38 | Orionshock | anyone got sugestions for gems? |
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| 04:10.51 | Yssaril | sag_ich_nicht: whats this kmap thing? |
| 04:11.34 | Dashkal | kk, I'll try that |
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| 04:18.48 | theoddone33 | do those profiling mods give a reliable idea what mod is tanking my framerate every few seconds? |
| 04:19.07 | theoddone33 | or do they still have that problem where they attribute stuff to libraries |
| 04:19.57 | sag_ich_nicht | [05:10] <Yssaril> sag_ich_nicht: whats this kmap thing? <--Karnaugh map |
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| 04:23.03 | CIA-9 | 03ckknight * r63984 10LibDogTag-3.0/ (Compiler.lua test.lua): |
| 04:23.04 | CIA-9 | LibDogTag-3.0 - for tags that have their first argument require a non-nil, do |
| 04:23.04 | CIA-9 | not provide a default, and receive a nil as its first argument, do not evaluate, |
| 04:23.04 | CIA-9 | instead just stay as nil. e.g. [HP:Green] => nil if HP is nil, instead of |
| 04:23.04 | CIA-9 | |cffff0000|r |
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| 04:34.57 | Orionshock | Nargiddley: ping |
| 04:35.32 | theoddone33 | anyone know if you can get weapon skill from sunder? |
| 04:36.54 | Keias | Should |
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| 04:44.19 | Loonacy | Hey, is there an addon that times how long it takes for each addon to load at startup? |
| 04:44.45 | sacarasc | but what would time that addon? ;o |
| 04:45.33 | dylanm | Warmup. |
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| 05:08.31 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r63985 10BetterQuestTracker/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 05:08.31 | CIA-9 | BetterQuestTracker: |
| 05:08.31 | CIA-9 | -Add a sound-playing module. |
| 05:08.31 | CIA-9 | -Move tracker:Show into :UpdateTracker, to make future work on headers easier. |
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| 05:09.47 | Kemayo | Arrowmaster: Did anything come of that LibStubby FubarPlugin you were working on? |
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| 05:16.01 | NeoTron | with aceconfig-3.0 is there a way to dynamically generate parts of the config table rather than always generating the entire thing? |
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| 05:26.00 | Arrowmaster | Kemayo: still working on it since i need to figure out how to do the config |
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| 05:27.47 | Arrowmaster | Kemayo: other than that it works perfectly afaik |
| 05:33.09 | Yssaril | NeoTron: yes there is :) |
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| 05:34.00 | Cairenn | PSA: if you live in an area that does the time change thing, don't forget to set your clocks forward 1 hr tonight |
| 05:35.19 | Yssaril | NeoTron: basically you can add things to the options table at any time you want just make sure to call LibStub("AceConfigRegistry-3.0"):NotifyChange("nameyougaveyourtablewhenyouregisteredit") |
| 05:37.11 | NeoTron | Yssaril: yeah. I'm trying something out now.. |
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| 05:54.04 | NeoTron | is there some event you can listen to when the config UI is closed? |
| 05:54.13 | NeoTron | speciifcally I'd like to "reset" the config to free up the memory |
| 05:54.25 | Yssaril | not that i know of |
| 05:54.57 | NeoTron | I can have a periodical timer called function |
| 05:55.18 | NeoTron | if not open then clean shit up end |
| 05:56.16 | Yssaril | basically create the config when you want to and once you exit it toss it to the GC? |
| 05:57.06 | Kemayo | Arrowmaster: Okay, nifty. Is it on the svn somewhere? |
| 05:57.31 | Arrowmaster | not yet |
| 06:02.36 | CIA-9 | 03orionshock * r63986 10GuildCraft/ (GuildCraft_Browser/BrowserUI.lua core.lua): |
| 06:02.36 | CIA-9 | GuildCraft: |
| 06:02.36 | CIA-9 | -fix up GetMakers() return |
| 06:02.36 | CIA-9 | -Anchor the tooltip to something more rational |
| 06:04.39 | RaydenUni | clock changes tonight right? |
| 06:04.49 | Yssaril | yar |
| 06:05.54 | Orionshock | not for me suckers :P |
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| 06:07.45 | NeoTron | Yssaril: essentially, yes |
| 06:08.04 | NeoTron | mainly because with just hyjal/BT the config uses 3.5x the amount of memory than the rest of the addon |
| 06:10.16 | Yssaril | hehe |
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| 06:21.09 | Orionshock | vhaarr: still gathering information on that aceEvent glitch? |
| 06:22.36 | Chaud | Is there a SCT type addon anywhere that is working for 2.4 |
| 06:22.52 | ausmara | SCT. |
| 06:22.53 | CIA-9 | 03whitetooth * r63987 10LibSimpleTimer-1.0/ (. LibSimpleTimer-1.0.lua LibSimpleTimer-1.0.toc lib.xml): |
| 06:22.53 | CIA-9 | LibSimpleTimer-1.0: |
| 06:22.53 | CIA-9 | - Initial commit |
| 06:24.44 | Hjalte | Chaud: FCT works too. |
| 06:26.27 | Tem|AFK | MSBT has a 2.4 version as well |
| 06:26.44 | Chaud | but no parrot =\ ? |
| 06:28.54 | Tem|AFK | lol |
| 06:33.33 | CIA-9 | 03nargiddley 07RC1 * r63988 10Ace3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 06:33.33 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - AceConfigDialog: ACE-155 - Make sure that the selected group is type='group' when checking if it exists |
| 06:33.33 | CIA-9 | AceGUI: ACE-154 - Fix frame levels in more cases to prevent widgets ending up behind their containers |
| 06:33.33 | CIA-9 | AceGUITest: Add test for replacing groups with other types |
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| 06:42.12 | NeoTron | Nargiddley: <3 |
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| 06:48.37 | Orionshock | Nargiddley: i had a problem today where a button wasn't getting reset properly, it showed up as about x3 wider than normal. only happened if opened up a config window to statblocks to one of the plugins that has a wide execute to reset the plugin. |
| 06:49.38 | Nargiddley | using raw AceGUI for where it was broken ? |
| 06:49.41 | CIA-9 | 03whitetooth * r63989 10LibSimpleTimer-1.0/ (. LibSimpleTimer-1.0.toc LibStub/ LibStub/LibStub.lua): |
| 06:49.41 | CIA-9 | LibSimpleTimer-1.0: |
| 06:49.41 | CIA-9 | - Add LibStub |
| 06:49.59 | Orionshock | Nargiddley: yes, looks like when the button was recycled the width didn't get reset |
| 06:50.07 | Nargiddley | because it doesnt :P |
| 06:50.15 | Orionshock | oh well.. |
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| 06:50.26 | Orionshock | never mind then, working as intended :D |
| 06:50.29 | Nargiddley | I should do that for all widgets |
| 06:50.41 | Kemayo | Nargiddley: Thanks for fixing that aceconfigdialog thing. :D |
| 06:50.56 | Nargiddley | easy fix ;D |
| 06:51.19 | Nargiddley | was already checking for groups getting deleted, hidden or disabled |
| 06:51.29 | Nargiddley | just diddn't think to check for them staying the same type heh |
| 06:51.39 | Kemayo | I like to think of it as my job to do those things that the original devs looked at and thought "surely no-one would want to do something that dumb". |
| 06:51.46 | Nargiddley | well |
| 06:52.00 | Nargiddley | that was my reaction on hearing what the error was :P |
| 06:52.18 | Nargiddley | but I haddn't even thought of someone doing it at all before then |
| 06:52.23 | CIA-9 | 03whitetooth * r63990 10LibSimpleTimer-1.0/LibSimpleTimer-1.0.lua: |
| 06:52.23 | CIA-9 | LibSimpleTimer-1.0: |
| 06:52.23 | CIA-9 | - Fix typo |
| 06:52.40 | Nargiddley | and modules enabling/disabling is a good use for it |
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| 06:53.31 | Sole | LibSimpleTimer = new candybar/timex? |
| 06:55.16 | Sole | nevermind, guess its just another timer |
| 06:56.35 | lagger` | y not just use acetimer |
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| 06:58.19 | Sole | I was wondering too, but my guess is whitetooth simply wishes a different approach |
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| 07:00.53 | Snago | Gngsk: pong |
| 07:01.12 | theoddone33 | need the name of a cpu profiling mod |
| 07:01.16 | theoddone33 | one exists right? |
| 07:01.22 | theoddone33 | had it once, forgot the name |
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| 07:05.03 | lagger` | use optionhouse |
| 07:06.34 | theoddone33 | thanks |
| 07:07.39 | theoddone33 | ah fubar does it |
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| 07:08.25 | Drake_Conril | -Does anybody know if there's a way to contact Direct2drive, not through email? |
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| 07:10.41 | Sole | PerformanceFu |
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| 07:14.45 | CIA-9 | 03whitetooth * r63991 10LibSimpleTimer-1.0/LibSimpleTimer-1.0.lua: |
| 07:14.45 | CIA-9 | LibSimpleTimer-1.0: |
| 07:14.45 | CIA-9 | - :Embed comments |
| 07:14.57 | theoddone33 | ace2 is highest followed by libparser-4.0 |
| 07:14.59 | theoddone33 | so sad |
| 07:15.03 | theoddone33 | I really like pitbull |
| 07:15.19 | theoddone33 | maybe I can play with options to get it to run faster |
| 07:15.28 | Snago | LibParser will die with 2.4 |
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| 07:16.06 | theoddone33 | I'd really like to figure out what's causing my framerate to stutter every few seconds |
| 07:16.14 | theoddone33 | but all performancefu gives me is total execution time |
| 07:16.20 | theoddone33 | which is useful I'll admit |
| 07:16.24 | theoddone33 | but hm |
| 07:17.19 | Sole | hmm |
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| 07:17.44 | theoddone33 | oh, duh |
| 07:17.47 | theoddone33 | there's a percentage display |
| 07:18.44 | Sole | on my site, I have a little bit of javascript which can be executed from every page, is it better to make it a seperate document and link to it from every page via <script src="script.js" ...etc> or to embed the script in every page? |
| 07:19.09 | Dashkal | link. this way you can edit the code from one location |
| 07:19.21 | Sole | the code wont be changed after Im done |
| 07:19.26 | Sole | atm Im linking |
| 07:19.31 | MageRooster | ...never say that. :P |
| 07:19.36 | MageRooster | It will always change after you're done. |
| 07:19.37 | Sole | but it wont :P |
| 07:19.45 | MageRooster | Seriously. :P |
| 07:19.47 | Sole | its too simple to change |
| 07:20.11 | Sole | only time it will change is if I redesign the site, and even then it probably wont |
| 07:20.12 | Drake_Conril | Hah |
| 07:20.23 | Dashkal | I've been bit by that before. But in any event, there's no benifit to embedding. The .js file will be cached by the user;s browser so it will only be downloaded once |
| 07:20.44 | Sole | yea the caching was what I wanted to know about |
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| 07:22.07 | MageRooster | Dashkal: So have I! which is why I cackle at his comment. |
| 07:22.30 | Sole | dont cackle at me -_- |
| 07:22.46 | CIA-9 | 03nargiddley 07RC1 * r63992 10Ace3/AceGUI-3.0/widgets/ (AceGUIWidget-Slider.lua AceGUIWidget-TreeGroup.lua): |
| 07:22.46 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - AceGUI: The Slider widget will only react to the mousewheel after it has been clicked (anywhere including the label) to prevent accidental changes to the value when trying to scroll the container it is in |
| 07:22.46 | CIA-9 | - The TreeGroup widget is scrollable with the mousewheel |
| 07:24.31 | MageRooster | /gnomecackle |
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| 07:43.09 | Orionshock | wow blizards numbers are way off |
| 07:43.55 | Orionshock | according to the API to get Mana Regen while not casting - it says 337, but in reality, sitting there regening mana, it's 135 |
| 07:44.05 | Orionshock | anyone got ideas as to the difference? |
| 07:45.20 | Xinhuan | 337 is mp5 |
| 07:45.23 | Xinhuan | 137 is per 2 sec |
| 07:45.41 | Xinhuan | lua 337/5*2 |
| 07:45.45 | Xinhuan | lua> 337/5*2 |
| 07:45.45 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 134.8 |
| 07:46.11 | Xinhuan | 135 rather |
| 07:48.45 | Orionshock | humm.... |
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| 07:51.17 | NeoTron | nice. so another cool thing you can do with plugins = {} in ace config is if you have a lot of entires that share many options |
| 07:51.26 | NeoTron | to avoid making X copies of the same hash |
| 07:52.33 | NeoTron | seems to have saved a nice chunk of memory |
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| 07:57.35 | MageRooster | Remember, spirit's changing next patch. >.> |
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| 08:01.26 | Orionshock | wtb raid guild that's not 5th on the server... |
| 08:02.23 | theoddone33 | tabletlib is one of the things taking up a lot of cpu |
| 08:02.27 | theoddone33 | but isn't that old? |
| 08:02.32 | Orionshock | no |
| 08:02.52 | theoddone33 | it doesn't show up as tabletlib in my addon viewer |
| 08:02.53 | Orionshock | old in a Ace2->Ace3 sorta way |
| 08:03.05 | theoddone33 | but there's a tabletlib embedded in cartographer |
| 08:03.09 | theoddone33 | that does show up that way |
| 08:03.49 | theoddone33 | shows up as Tablet-2.0 in the viewer |
| 08:04.01 | Ellipsis | tablet will get blamed for a lot of CPU usage, particularly if the way you're looking at said usage is through a fubar plugin which uses tablet to display the information |
| 08:04.10 | theoddone33 | ok |
| 08:04.19 | Ellipsis | it's not really using that much CPU under normal circumstances |
| 08:04.26 | theoddone33 | well mostly what I was wondering was if cartographer embedded an older version of the library |
| 08:04.42 | theoddone33 | or I guess tabletlib -> tablet-2.0 could have been an API break |
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| 08:06.01 | Ellipsis | if cart embeds something it's because it needs to |
| 08:06.19 | Ellipsis | you're welcome to submit a patch if you think it can be improved upon :) |
| 08:06.24 | theoddone33 | ok it is the performance-fu I'm sure |
| 08:06.31 | theoddone33 | that also embeds tabletlib |
| 08:06.44 | Ellipsis | yeah, I would ignore tablet usage when using a fubar plugin to view that usage |
| 08:06.52 | theoddone33 | yup |
| 08:06.56 | _neuron_ | should be possible to make a little script to embed all libraries, and change their name on a per mod basis to prevent them from sharing, so performancefu could get accurate data per addon. |
| 08:07.00 | Ellipsis | you can use a standalone performance monitor if you want more accurate numbers |
| 08:07.19 | _neuron_ | there is a standalone performance monitor? :P |
| 08:07.20 | Ellipsis | _neuron_: why do that when you can just use disembedded libs and get truly accurate numbers? |
| 08:07.26 | Ellipsis | yes, there are |
| 08:07.41 | theoddone33 | PIX for WoW |
| 08:07.46 | theoddone33 | that'd be funny |
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| 08:07.55 | Ellipsis | IIRC optionhouse has one, you can also view per-addon mem/cpu usage in bongos stats, probably a million others as well |
| 08:08.05 | theoddone33 | pix being the x360 graphical performance monitor :-/ |
| 08:08.10 | theoddone33 | also d3d |
| 08:10.23 | Orionshock | ... |
| 08:11.27 | CIA-9 | 03orionshock * r63993 10GuildCraft/GuildCraft_Browser/BrowserUI.lua: GuildCraft: unscrew the tooltip... |
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| 08:18.20 | `-FISKER_Q\ | Are hunter shots removed by silence? |
| 08:18.28 | `-FISKER_Q\ | er not removed |
| 08:18.41 | `-FISKER_Q\ | but can you stuff like steady shot, arcane shot, and whatever when silenced? |
| 08:18.45 | `-FISKER_Q\ | or can you only autoshot? |
| 08:20.58 | Wobin | You're not affected by silence |
| 08:21.10 | Fisker- | awsum thx |
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| 08:26.07 | MageRooster | I can't CS any of them. :( |
| 08:26.15 | MageRooster | I think there's one I *can*, but I forget. |
| 08:30.59 | Wobin | um. revive pet? |
| 08:31.19 | Wobin | eyes of the beast maybe? |
| 08:31.30 | Ellipsis | hearthstone perhaps? |
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| 08:32.04 | Orionshock | that's a no go on hearthstone |
| 08:32.14 | Orionshock | pallys would whine too loudly |
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| 08:32.23 | Ellipsis | why? you can't CS them while they're bubbled anyway, can you? |
| 08:32.28 | ZealotOnAStick | one would think Call Pet wouldn't work. |
| 08:32.46 | Wobin | Call pet is an instant |
| 08:32.49 | Wobin | but yeah |
| 08:32.52 | xyu` | he means revive i believe |
| 08:33.03 | Wobin | I think he means while silenced |
| 08:33.04 | ZealotOnAStick | mean call, with a silence |
| 08:33.09 | xyu` | i revived my pet standing next to shade of aran today, I don't believe it interrupted it at all. |
| 08:33.10 | xyu` | oh ok |
| 08:33.11 | Wobin | not CS'd |
| 08:33.29 | ZealotOnAStick | if you can CS instants, lemme know, I want you for an arena team. |
| 08:33.38 | Wobin | I've done that =\ It leads to a grumpy cat |
| 08:34.02 | xyu` | well thankfully w/ grid pets my healers actually heal pets now! |
| 08:35.23 | ZealotOnAStick | So, I just watched Enchanted. |
| 08:35.36 | ZealotOnAStick | Needs more evil queen. |
| 08:35.57 | ZealotOnAStick | Disney rarely explores the really FUN characters much. |
| 08:44.02 | ZealotOnAStick | So, what do people think of the new 2.4 alchemy trinkets? |
| 08:44.17 | Lukian | I like :D |
| 08:44.25 | Lukian | pity they changed the melee crit one to ap |
| 08:44.40 | ZealotOnAStick | I'm debating the idea of dropping mining and powerskilling up Alch for the sorcerer's one . . . but as a Warlock, I'm finding it hard to justify all that for 9 static damage. |
| 08:45.22 | ZealotOnAStick | the 40% benefit to potions is not that attractive to me, I'm not a potion spammer . . . |
| 08:46.44 | Ellipsis | ring enchants are still better imo |
| 08:47.09 | ZealotOnAStick | I'm already an enchanter. |
| 08:47.29 | Ellipsis | then uh...jc for stat gems? |
| 08:47.33 | ZealotOnAStick | enchant drops hate me, btw. |
| 08:47.34 | Diao | for a lock? it's not too great |
| 08:47.46 | Ellipsis | s/stat/sta |
| 08:48.00 | ZealotOnAStick | well, I was just planning on sticking with mining until WOTLK, then dropping it for Inscription. |
| 08:48.01 | Ellipsis | obviously tailoring would be up there too, but I'm assuming you've outgeared it |
| 08:48.30 | Lukian | ZealotOnAStick, not rolling a death knight? :P (assuming they have professions, wouldn't every man and their dog roll inscription on it?) |
| 08:48.45 | ZealotOnAStick | I'll have a DK. |
| 08:48.54 | ZealotOnAStick | if they're fun in beta. |
| 08:49.17 | Diao | inscription should be awesome |
| 08:49.19 | Diao | even if everyone has it |
| 08:49.19 | ZealotOnAStick | but I'd have to -really- love them to switch mains from my Lock. |
| 08:49.23 | Diao | because it'll buff your own spells |
| 08:50.20 | theoddone33 | hm |
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| 08:50.41 | theoddone33 | JCing is nice because you only need one across all your alts |
| 08:50.51 | theoddone33 | enchanting is a little worse because you can't enchant your other toons |
| 08:50.53 | ZealotOnAStick | the 2.4 tailored robe is nice, but I'm not going to powerskill tailoring. |
| 08:50.58 | theoddone33 | unless you split up the account |
| 08:51.05 | theoddone33 | inscription will probably be more like enchanting I guess |
| 08:51.52 | theoddone33 | which means |
| 08:52.02 | theoddone33 | I'll probably drop leather finally and pickup inscription on my rogue enchanter |
| 08:52.24 | ZealotOnAStick | I don't know how useful inscription will be for melees. |
| 08:52.41 | theoddone33 | the idea being that I can split up the account and just move one over instead of two |
| 08:52.54 | Dashkal | I'd expect inscription to be a whole profession full of the kind of thing you find as set bonuses |
| 08:53.18 | theoddone33 | I doubt they'll suddenly make leatherworking good |
| 08:53.22 | Diao | lw is amazing |
| 08:53.24 | Diao | for drums >.> |
| 08:53.36 | theoddone33 | you have to pair it with skinning |
| 08:53.43 | theoddone33 | or it's a money sink |
| 08:53.46 | Diao | but inscription i don't see why it would be different for melee or spellcasters |
| 08:53.50 | Dashkal | pair it with mining. skinning mats are cheap |
| 08:53.53 | Diao | should give equal benefit to both |
| 08:54.05 | theoddone33 | I have it paired with enchanting, heh |
| 08:54.22 | Diao | well ench is the best prof in the game right now due to ring enchants |
| 08:54.36 | theoddone33 | mm jewelcrafting has some BoP buffs |
| 08:54.45 | Diao | well |
| 08:54.49 | Diao | you get what |
| 08:54.51 | Diao | one 18 stam gem |
| 08:54.57 | Dashkal | I;ve been tempted to give up engy for JC just cause of that stealth trinket |
| 08:55.03 | theoddone33 | it's not like the +11 healing or whatever the ring enchant is |
| 08:55.04 | ZealotOnAStick | enchanting isn't the best prof due to ring enchants. |
| 08:55.14 | ZealotOnAStick | enchanting is the best prof due to it being a reliable moneymaker. |
| 08:55.15 | theoddone33 | but it's a nice gesture |
| 08:55.24 | Diao | for min/maxing |
| 08:55.29 | Diao | enchanting is hands down the best |
| 08:55.33 | Diao | because you can't replace ring enchants |
| 08:55.52 | Diao | and i don't make money on enchanting really because i'm too lazy to sell them :P |
| 08:55.54 | Nandini | you can keep the trinket even if you drop JC later |
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| 08:56.10 | ZealotOnAStick | I've made over 900g today and I did one enchant, which was free, for a guildmate. |
| 08:56.21 | ZealotOnAStick | I have, however, disenchanted a fuckload of stuff. |
| 08:56.33 | Diao | ok yeah |
| 08:56.34 | Diao | with JC |
| 08:56.35 | theoddone33 | yeah disenchanting is epic |
| 08:56.38 | Diao | you get like |
| 08:56.40 | Dashkal | but I couldn't keep my engy goggles if I leave engy (I';m a druid, the goggles come off when I tank or heal) |
| 08:56.42 | ZealotOnAStick | coupled with AucAdvanced . . . |
| 08:56.44 | Diao | very very very minor bop gems that are slightly better |
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| 08:56.53 | Diao | than the gems you can get without jc |
| 08:56.59 | theoddone33 | I get free gems on par with BT stuff, but not super |
| 08:57.15 | ZealotOnAStick | Basically, it's scan a couple times a day, blow up a lot of stuff, post the mats. |
| 08:57.17 | theoddone33 | ring enchants are really nice for healers |
| 08:57.18 | Diao | 3 stam, 2 x rating etc |
| 08:57.18 | ZealotOnAStick | then just wait for gold. |
| 08:57.24 | Diao | it's great for everyone |
| 08:57.29 | theoddone33 | that's a good idea |
| 08:57.36 | Diao | 8 all stats is nice for tanks and dps, 40 healing, 22 spelldmg |
| 08:58.04 | theoddone33 | I wish I had the presence of mind to make money disenchanting |
| 08:58.11 | theoddone33 | a thriving economy wouldn't hurt either |
| 08:58.37 | Diao | do you just buyout green items or something |
| 08:58.42 | Diao | and then DE for sale |
| 08:58.47 | ZealotOnAStick | mats always sell, eventually, and they have no deposit. |
| 08:58.54 | Diao | people on my server price greens way too high |
| 08:58.58 | Diao | to be worth DEing for profit |
| 08:59.15 | CIA-9 | 03lilsparky * r63994 10LilSparkysLabPartner/ (3 files): |
| 08:59.15 | CIA-9 | LilSparkysLabPartner: |
| 08:59.15 | CIA-9 | - fixed the trade window functionality |
| 08:59.34 | ZealotOnAStick | there's some stuff, monkey, owl gear . . . |
| 08:59.39 | ZealotOnAStick | people post for stupid amounts. |
| 08:59.47 | theoddone33 | what's your limit? |
| 08:59.55 | theoddone33 | anything under Xg... |
| 08:59.56 | ZealotOnAStick | but there's enough stuff that goes up for cheap that you profit on. |
| 09:00.07 | Diao | i mean |
| 09:00.13 | Diao | i guess i could sell my bank of ench mats |
| 09:00.18 | Diao | which is worth a few thousand |
| 09:00.23 | Diao | but i have no need for the money really |
| 09:00.28 | theoddone33 | heh |
| 09:00.33 | theoddone33 | I have at least 800g in banked mats |
| 09:00.37 | theoddone33 | 3 70s and 0 epic flyers |
| 09:00.40 | ZealotOnAStick | anything I'll make at least 70 silver projected profit on, that requires 50 enchanting skill to dis, that AucAdv's bottomscanner predicts I'll at least double my investment on. |
| 09:00.55 | theoddone33 | ah |
| 09:01.06 | Diao | i have 3 70s all with epic flying mounts and enough gold to buy a couple more lol |
| 09:01.07 | theoddone33 | yeah that's right it has a disenchanting predictor now |
| 09:01.17 | theoddone33 | me = terrible with WoW money |
| 09:01.22 | theoddone33 | and not bad with real money, ironically |
| 09:01.34 | Diao | haha |
| 09:01.35 | theoddone33 | unless I'm not playing WoW, then I just get bored and buy shit in real life |
| 09:01.46 | ZealotOnAStick | I run my scan, if it pops up for disenchant, and ROI > 100%, hit yes. |
| 09:01.55 | theoddone33 | I quit for a month and bought $700 of useless crap, then decided it was cheaper for me to play WOW |
| 09:01.57 | ZealotOnAStick | wait, blow up stuff, post it, profit. |
| 09:01.59 | Diao | o_o |
| 09:02.01 | Diao | lol |
| 09:02.06 | Diao | yeah i tend to go out a lot more |
| 09:02.08 | Diao | when not playing wow |
| 09:02.14 | Diao | and spend lots of money |
| 09:02.28 | theoddone33 | my guild died so I play like an hour a day now |
| 09:02.31 | theoddone33 | and I'm in the same trap |
| 09:02.40 | theoddone33 | bought a new car stereo and a bunch of other stuff |
| 09:02.49 | Diao | i've been like |
| 09:02.51 | Diao | downloading movies |
| 09:02.53 | Diao | to pass the time |
| 09:02.55 | Diao | >.> |
| 09:03.04 | theoddone33 | oh yeah I do that netflix instant watch thing sometimes |
| 09:04.02 | ZealotOnAStick | I download movies, but it ain't via netflix |
| 09:04.23 | theoddone33 | not patient enough for bittorrent myself |
| 09:04.26 | Snago | There's no RSS feed in jira? :S |
| 09:05.09 | theoddone33 | I wonder if the flight master in hammerfall fell through the ground on every server |
| 09:05.16 | theoddone33 | it's been like that for about a month |
| 09:08.57 | ZealotOnAStick | I was wondering how she got down there. |
| 09:11.21 | Thorgard | Yeah, she's through the floor on my server as well. |
| 09:11.51 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r63995 10LibSimpleFrame-1.0/LibSimpleFrame-1.0.lua: LibSimpleFrame-1.0: Add a min_height option. |
| 09:13.21 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r63996 10LibQuixote-2.0/LibQuixote-2.0.lua: |
| 09:13.22 | CIA-9 | LibQuixote-2.0: |
| 09:13.22 | CIA-9 | -Add :GetQuestById to fetch a quest by its questlog index. |
| 09:13.22 | CIA-9 | -Utility functions: :AddQuestWatchByUid, RemoveQuestWatchByUid, ShareQuestByUid. |
| 09:15.36 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r63997 10BetterQuestTracker/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 09:15.36 | CIA-9 | BetterQuestTracker: |
| 09:15.36 | CIA-9 | -New module: AutoTrack. Automatically tracks quests based on various criteria. |
| 09:15.36 | CIA-9 | -New module: Blizzard. Meddles with the default quest ui. (Levels in the quest log, etc.) |
| 09:15.36 | CIA-9 | -Option to suppress the default quest tracker. |
| 09:15.36 | CIA-9 | -Expand the range of click actions. |
| 09:15.40 | CIA-9 | -Remember tracked quests between sessions |
| 09:15.47 | Ellipsis | shield spikes are like a damage shield that only hits when you block an attack, right? |
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| 09:15.59 | Kemayo | Ah, the joy of abusing the amount to commit at once. |
| 09:16.00 | Thorgard | Right. |
| 09:16.23 | Ellipsis | hmmm |
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| 09:21.14 | *** mode/#wowace [+o MoonWolf] by ChanServ |
| 09:23.35 | ZealotOnAStick | Heh. Someone commented on my bank toons' guild name. |
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| 09:26.13 | sb | does INVTYPE_WEAPONMAINHAND include INVTYPE_2HWEAPON? |
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| 09:31.31 | sb | ah nvm |
| 09:33.53 | Pkekyo| | oh joy, someone pissed off the entire arab population in the country |
| 09:34.15 | Pkekyo| | *hides in the basement* |
| 09:34.47 | ZealotOnAStick | ? |
| 09:35.02 | Pkekyo| | http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/5/52/529/529193/burka960_1205047903.jpg <--- custom burkas |
| 09:35.43 | ZealotOnAStick | hrh |
| 09:35.47 | ZealotOnAStick | err, heh. |
| 09:35.50 | Pucmel | nice |
| 09:35.55 | Pkekyo| | from left to right: traditional graduation kit, fake fur, soccer club supporter kit, traditional norwegian outfit |
| 09:36.38 | Ellipsis | those crazy norwegians |
| 09:36.42 | Pkekyo| | they also had bridal-burkas |
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| 09:37.02 | Pkekyo| | <--- waiting for the arab word to start burning our embassies again *shrugs* |
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| 09:37.40 | Pkekyo| | wonder if we ever rebuilt those |
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| 09:39.28 | Pkekyo| | so |
| 09:39.28 | Pkekyo| | anything fun happening this morning? |
| 09:39.49 | Pkekyo| | and is there any release date on patch 2.4 thus far? |
| 09:41.47 | Nandini | hey i got another weird "run" = "true" error message from aceevent-2.0, but this time i can actually tell the addon |
| 09:41.49 | Nandini | AceEvent-2.0: Cannot trigger event "Quixote_Update". "run"'s handler, "true", is not a method or function (boolean). |
| 09:42.06 | Kemayo | Nandini: I got that for oRA2 earlier, too. |
| 09:42.06 | Thorgard | "< Pkekyo|> oh joy, someone pissed off the entire arab population in the country" Both of them? |
| 09:42.20 | Pkekyo| | Thorgard: elaborate? |
| 09:42.54 | Thorgard | Type: Joke. Play on: Entire arab population = 2 people. Thus: Both of them |
| 09:43.34 | Pkekyo| | blar |
| 09:44.05 | Pkekyo| | sorry to dissapoint you, but the '70s passed almost 40 years ago :p |
| 09:44.14 | MageRooster | Is there a necrosis for priests? |
| 09:44.19 | Pkekyo| | nuet |
| 09:44.20 | Pkekyo| | nyet* |
| 09:44.58 | Thorgard | MageRooster, which part? |
| 09:45.22 | Pkekyo| | ouh, cheap cyalis being sold on my guild forum *chuckles* |
| 09:45.33 | Thorgard | Wasn't Necrosis the sphere-like thing? |
| 09:45.56 | Pkekyo| | I'd imagine so |
| 09:46.07 | Thorgard | In that case, check out Sphere? http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=7010.0 |
| 09:46.19 | NeoTron | Sweet |
| 09:46.32 | NeoTron | my config now is dynamically loaded and unloaded |
| 09:46.47 | NeoTron | normal "running memory usage" down from 960k to 280k |
| 09:46.49 | NeoTron | or so |
| 09:47.24 | Diao | o: |
| 09:47.38 | NeoTron | it's... creative but it works :) |
| 09:48.02 | Pkekyo| | I don't get why people are still bitching about memory usage...it's not 1995 anymore, you SHOULD have sufficiently to play wow with all the fucking addons there is |
| 09:48.15 | NeoTron | it adds up |
| 09:48.25 | Thorgard | Pkekyo|, but that's no excuse to abuse memory when you don't need to. ;P |
| 09:48.33 | NeoTron | more memory in the Lua runtime means gc will start taking noticeable time |
| 09:48.37 | Pkekyo| | yes it is! |
| 09:48.37 | Pkekyo| | *spanks the memory bus* |
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| 09:50.48 | CIA-9 | 03neotron * r63998 10MagicMarker/ (Config.lua Locales/Locale-enUS.lua MagicMarker.lua): |
| 09:50.48 | CIA-9 | MagicMarker: |
| 09:50.48 | CIA-9 | - Made a helper for adding key bindings that also adds them to the options. |
| 09:50.48 | CIA-9 | - Made options for the Mob Database load-on-demand, saving significant amount of memory. Options are unloaded when no longer needed. |
| 09:51.10 | NeoTron | I really didn't like that the options increased the size of my addon by almost 4x |
| 09:51.38 | NeoTron | the flipside is that the code is nicer. I think >:-) |
| 09:51.44 | NeoTron | weirder perhaps.. |
| 09:52.26 | NeoTron | but I also fixed it so the config dialog always is updated correctly when I add/remove mobs and zones, whether it's open or not |
| 09:53.49 | MageRooster | AHA! The priest necrosis addon my friend was thinking of is called Serenity. |
| 09:54.21 | Pkekyo| | "Don't expect funny jokes or comments like he did, I'm a German" rofl |
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| 09:58.05 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r63999 10BetterQuestTracker/ (core.lua modules/autotrack.lua modules/blizzard.lua): |
| 09:58.05 | CIA-9 | BetterQuestTracker: |
| 09:58.05 | CIA-9 | -Don't try to hide a disabled tracker if we haven't bothered to create it yet. |
| 09:58.05 | CIA-9 | -Blizzard: objectives and complete were in wrong order. |
| 09:58.05 | CIA-9 | -AutoTrack: check for zone quests on login and when settings are changed. |
| 09:59.07 | Pkekyo| | what's GDC (related to jobs, I reckon programming)? |
| 09:59.18 | Ellipsis | game developer conference? |
| 10:00.08 | Pkekyo| | ah |
| 10:00.12 | Pkekyo| | cheers |
| 10:03.09 | CIA-9 | 03nargiddley 07RC1 * r64000 10Ace3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 10:03.09 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - AceConfigDialog: Color picker obeys hasAlpha on the color type |
| 10:03.09 | CIA-9 | AceGUI: Improve Alpha handling for the ColorPicker widget, ColorPicker widget closes the ColorPickerFrame before opening to prevent values getting carried over |
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| 10:06.42 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: you still stuck in a hotel room? |
| 10:07.07 | Diao | wow |
| 10:07.08 | Diao | awesome |
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| 10:07.14 | Diao | well not awesome but shows how dumb some people are |
| 10:07.15 | Diao | http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/us/09tennessee.html?ref=us |
| 10:07.23 | Grum | Pkekyo|: she's tied up ^^ |
| 10:07.28 | NeoTron | Nargiddley: so using the plugins for shared data (i.e 100 mobs, all have the same config options) and transient data (the loading/unloading I do) = win |
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| 10:07.59 | Ellipsis | lol Grum |
| 10:08.10 | Ellipsis | yes Pkekyo|, we're still staying in a hotel |
| 10:08.20 | Grum | with a special cellar! |
| 10:08.25 | Ellipsis | ;D |
| 10:08.27 | Pkekyo| | just curious...'cause I'm going abroad monday, and checking out the hotel rates...how the flying fuck are you lot not skint yet?! |
| 10:08.35 | Grum | or should i say, dungeon? :p |
| 10:08.36 | Ellipsis | *shrug* |
| 10:08.51 | Ellipsis | it's cheaper to stay here for a month than my last apartment's rent cost |
| 10:09.11 | Nargiddley | NeoTron, you could also do that without .plugins |
| 10:09.14 | Kemayo | It's worth remembering that SoCal rents are quite high. |
| 10:09.24 | Nargiddley | and probably save a few tables |
| 10:09.45 | Nargiddley | I guess plugins is a bit easier tho |
| 10:09.50 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: either your hotel is utter fail, or you should find an apartment without draconic rents |
| 10:09.52 | Ellipsis | Kemayo: what are you, stalking me? :P |
| 10:10.05 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo|: cali is particularly expensive, as Kemayo said |
| 10:10.17 | Kemayo | Ellipsis: I just have a good memory -- you mentioned your location sometime a few months ago. :P |
| 10:10.28 | Grum | “As a community,” Mr. Godwin said, “we are relieved that this was not a random act of violence. It was committed by a person who was known.” .. someone shoot these persons |
| 10:10.32 | Ellipsis | and I'm talking about the hotel's monthly rate...it would cost a fortune if we were paying by the night |
| 10:10.42 | Grum | He added that Jessie Dotson thought they were all dead, “but by the grace of God three children survived.” <-- geez |
| 10:10.49 | Grum | glad god saved 3! |
| 10:10.52 | Pkekyo| | bet Kemayo's got irc logs printed and stuffed up on his walls, with everything Ellipsis said highlighted |
| 10:11.02 | MageRooster | [09|03:06] <Pkekyo|> Ellipsis: either your hotel is utter fail, or you should find an apartment without draconic rents <- Augh, I misread that as 'draenic rent'. |
| 10:11.05 | Kemayo | Please, I don't have enough wall space for that. |
| 10:11.12 | NeoTron | Nargiddley: how could I make it use a shared table of options plus non-shared options without putting one of them as a plugin? |
| 10:11.19 | Grum | admit it Kemayo, you tried! |
| 10:11.22 | Pkekyo| | MageRooster: too much nerd in you, go outside and play with a ball ;> |
| 10:11.41 | Pkekyo| | -a- ball, not -your balls-, that'll get you arrested if you go outside... |
| 10:11.57 | MageRooster | Draenic rents: "All prices here are reasonable!" |
| 10:12.18 | Nargiddley | inject them straight into args |
| 10:12.39 | Ellipsis | better than blood elf rent: "everything has a price!" |
| 10:12.59 | Nargiddley | hm thinking about it thats a mess, plugins is the right way |
| 10:13.15 | Pkekyo| | nerd-o-rama |
| 10:13.15 | Pkekyo| | ...but I shouldn't have expected anything else, it's wowace after all :p |
| 10:13.23 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo|: don't lie, you love it |
| 10:13.25 | NeoTron | in the case of shared args, that would (don't share the outlaying array, but the individual ones) but for the cached data it's so much easier to load/unload if I put it in it's own spot :P |
| 10:13.51 | Nargiddley | yeah |
| 10:14.29 | Diao | lol |
| 10:14.36 | NeoTron | so I hacked the "loader" bu putting a dummy option in with the "get" method being the one that does the loading (and then hide it after loading, "show" after unloading) |
| 10:14.40 | Diao | i was referring more to the fact that a guy tried to cover up a murder by killing more people |
| 10:14.48 | Diao | but yea |
| 10:14.56 | NeoTron | it works fine but feels a bit hacky |
| 10:15.00 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: when you start with draenic and blood elf rents, it gets a bit too nerdcore for me |
| 10:15.07 | Nargiddley | unloading options seems a bit pointless |
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| 10:15.27 | Nargiddley | its just a bit of static memory |
| 10:15.41 | NeoTron | pointless perhaps but easily don |
| 10:15.50 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo|: nerdcore is hot, and I don't want to hear you say otherwise |
| 10:15.55 | Nargiddley | How do you decide when to unload ? |
| 10:16.05 | Pkekyo| | rofl Ellipsis |
| 10:16.07 | NeoTron | and when the options takes up 3x the time of the addon as a whole |
| 10:16.07 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r64001 10BetterQuestTracker/modules/ (blizzard.lua sounds.lua): BetterQuestTracker: Don't play the progress sound if the quest is also completing. |
| 10:16.17 | Pkekyo| | whatever floats your boat :) |
| 10:16.30 | NeoTron | have a timer that checks whether the config dialog is open. when it's closed, it unloads |
| 10:16.42 | Nargiddley | ew |
| 10:16.45 | Ellipsis | trust me, my boat is floating |
| 10:16.55 | Pkekyo| | congrats |
| 10:16.58 | NeoTron | yes indeed |
| 10:17.14 | NeoTron | but I have no other way of knowing when to do it as far as I know |
| 10:17.25 | Nargiddley | easy answer is never :P |
| 10:17.28 | Grum | that is ew |
| 10:17.37 | Grum | did i say ew? |
| 10:17.39 | Grum | EEEW |
| 10:17.50 | NeoTron | again, prefer not to hog the memory if I don't need to |
| 10:18.20 | Nargiddley | well if they don't open the options it doesnt have to take up memory, and after they have its just static memory |
| 10:18.37 | NeoTron | sure it's not a big deal, I know that |
| 10:18.45 | NeoTron | but it also doesn't hurt to free it up |
| 10:19.10 | Nargiddley | well, you going to check for every different implementation in this timer ? |
| 10:19.24 | NeoTron | with just hyjal/bt it used 750K memory for the config, 250k for the rest of the addon |
| 10:19.24 | Nargiddley | cause thats what makes it eeew |
| 10:19.27 | Grum | i am just curious, if you after the unloading, open the config again |
| 10:19.41 | Grum | what happens? |
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| 10:19.56 | Pkekyo| | sodding hell, I ran out of things to do when not doing what I'm supposed to |
| 10:20.02 | NeoTron | Grum: it builds whatever config is needed again |
| 10:20.05 | Pkekyo| | again >.< |
| 10:20.07 | Snago | If I have opened a config one time in a session I'm far more likely to open it again to fiddly some more... |
| 10:20.20 | Nargiddley | and is that 500k including whatever frames are created for the config or just the config tables ? |
| 10:20.36 | Grum | i bet it includes the frames |
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| 10:20.45 | Nargiddley | have you checked how much unloading actually frees up ? |
| 10:21.01 | NeoTron | if I am unloaded (the stuff I dynamically load) it goes down to 280ish |
| 10:21.05 | Nargiddley | cause i'd bet you get blamed for stuff I create to show the options as well |
| 10:21.14 | NeoTron | I have Ace3 loaded separately |
| 10:21.19 | NeoTron | so I'd think that stuff sits there |
| 10:21.30 | NeoTron | although I suppose I can't be sure unless I remove the embeds |
| 10:21.33 | Nargiddley | it could still be your addons taint |
| 10:22.15 | Pkekyo| | addiction* damnit :p |
| 10:22.21 | NeoTron | but it definitely goes down to 250 + 30k or so for the options I don't generate dynamically |
| 10:22.28 | Nargiddley | how big is the options table if its using 500k mem ? |
| 10:23.01 | NeoTron | 750k |
| 10:23.10 | NeoTron | although I tihnk when I started sharing stuff it's more like 600k |
| 10:23.37 | NeoTron | but there's ~100 mobs |
| 10:24.05 | NeoTron | each mob having 16 options or so |
| 10:24.31 | Grum | i can imagine the tables being big indeed |
| 10:25.16 | NeoTron | and it can get A LOT bigger |
| 10:25.33 | CIA-9 | 03neotron * r64002 10MagicMarker/Config.lua: MagicMarker: Removed leftover trace print out. |
| 10:25.34 | NeoTron | adding Karazhan, ZA, SSC, TK, not to mention 5-mans |
| 10:25.44 | theoddone33 | leveling 58-70 as prot |
| 10:25.48 | theoddone33 | may regret it |
| 10:25.49 | theoddone33 | heh |
| 10:26.12 | NeoTron | dynamically loading is pretty essential. unloading is not really a big deal because you're unlikely to "dynamically load" every single mob |
| 10:26.41 | Grum | NeoTron: dont forget to add pictures of every mob |
| 10:26.53 | NeoTron | hah |
| 10:26.54 | Grum | or better! the models ;D |
| 10:27.01 | NeoTron | that'd be pretty hot |
| 10:27.03 | NeoTron | actually |
| 10:27.18 | Diao | what class theoddone33? |
| 10:27.23 | theoddone33 | warrior |
| 10:27.25 | Diao | oh |
| 10:27.31 | Diao | it's not too bad nowadays with devastate |
| 10:27.40 | Diao | and if you mainly instance grind |
| 10:27.40 | theoddone33 | yeah it doesn't seem that bad |
| 10:28.03 | theoddone33 | I'm using a shield too, I know you're supposed to get fury gear and DW + spam devestate |
| 10:28.08 | NeoTron | having no idea, is it possible to display 3d view of random mobs? |
| 10:28.08 | theoddone33 | but shield slam seems nice |
| 10:29.25 | Grum | dunno NeoTron |
| 10:29.30 | Grum | but check out the inspecframe |
| 10:29.34 | Grum | *inspect |
| 10:29.53 | NeoTron | anyhow time to go to bed |
| 10:30.24 | Diao | shield slam grinding is mainly if you've got a lot of +block value |
| 10:30.36 | Diao | otherwise you're better off using dps gear + dw deva |
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| 10:31.46 | CIA-9 | 03cladhaire * r64003 10LibSimpleTimer-1.0/LibSimpleTimer-1.0.lua: |
| 10:31.46 | CIA-9 | LibSimpleTimer-1.0: |
| 10:31.46 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:32.12 | Grum | cladhaire: you didnt make it? :D |
| 10:32.15 | cladhaire | no |
| 10:32.21 | cladhaire | its a rip of DongleTimer |
| 10:32.32 | Grum | and you are fixing it because ? :D |
| 10:32.32 | cladhaire | it does credit, but doesn't make many other changes |
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| 10:32.38 | cladhaire | and I'm not sure why it needed to be written |
| 10:32.48 | cladhaire | because he took the code that should have been inlined |
| 10:32.52 | cladhaire | and didn't inline it |
| 10:33.47 | nevcairiel | lua needs a inline function definition that gets inlined by the op-code compiler .P |
| 10:34.07 | cladhaire | heh |
| 10:34.15 | cladhaire | people would screw it up |
| 10:34.25 | cladhaire | they'd resist another keyword as well |
| 10:34.38 | cladhaire | since inline functions are just macros :P |
| 10:35.01 | nevcairiel | wtb pre-processor |
| 10:35.25 | nevcairiel | or while we're at it, wtb C addons! |
| 10:35.49 | Orionshock | blizz would never be able to lock it down as good a lua |
| 10:35.52 | Orionshock | me thinks |
| 10:36.15 | nevcairiel | probably not, because you can directly modify pointers |
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| 11:00.28 | CIA-9 | 03sbu * r64006 10StatBlocks_Durability/ (. Libs/): StatBlocks_Durability: add externals + logtemplate |
| 11:01.38 | CIA-9 | 03shadmar * r64007 10GridStatusHots/ (GridStatusHots.toc GridStatusHots_locale.lua): GridStatusHots : Should show LB stacks now, moved locales into its own file. |
| 11:02.45 | Orionshock | sb: what libs are u using there? |
| 11:02.54 | sb | AceEvent |
| 11:03.02 | Orionshock | humm.... |
| 11:03.08 | sb | hmm? |
| 11:03.20 | Orionshock | just wondering about it outloud |
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| 11:05.27 | Fisker- | i don't like where this thread is going |
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| 11:07.02 | Orionshock | tbh it would make more sense if SB setup all it's "NewBlocks" as modules off the core addon.. that way it could embed a prototype for changing color size ect.. but meh, prolly not what he wants. |
| 11:07.24 | sb | mh - ask Funkeh` :o |
| 11:07.52 | Lukian | hmm, Tarball in Fish doesn't work |
| 11:08.11 | Lukian | FishEye was unable to process your request. java.util.zip.ZipException - ZIP file must have at least one entry |
| 11:08.12 | Orionshock | hehe... if he's watching irc, he'll see that opinion.. but i'd rather not bring attention directly... i've got a organizational mind not a programmer one. |
| 11:08.31 | Ellipsis | you have a what? |
| 11:08.37 | Orionshock | Lukian: i think we established that zip's / tarballs where disabled for everything but trunk. |
| 11:08.42 | sb | lol :o |
| 11:09.02 | Lukian | Orionshock, hmm, just pondering an easy way to get 2.4's for the ptr |
| 11:09.15 | Fisker- | Orionshock whats the most common drop from your mother? |
| 11:09.17 | Orionshock | Ellipsis: i have a tendancy to over organize shit... and complicate things with said organization. |
| 11:09.18 | Fisker- | her pants lololol |
| 11:09.32 | Fisker- | <-master of funnies |
| 11:09.50 | Orionshock | Lukian: svn client |
| 11:10.06 | Lukian | Orionshock, yeah that's what I'm doing now :D |
| 11:10.14 | Orionshock | Lukian: a CLI svn client and WAU set to not ignore svn folders |
| 11:10.33 | Ellipsis | Orionshock: it wasn't the word "organizational" that caught my attention, but ok |
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| 11:30.44 | Lukian | brachnes/CombatDnd/Ace3 |
| 11:30.47 | Lukian | ^ someone failed? :D |
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| 11:33.32 | cladhaire | Xinhuan: ping |
| 11:33.36 | Xinhuan | pong |
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| 11:37.54 | Snago | Lukian: Yepp, that's a prime example of a fail |
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| 11:38.34 | Lukian | haha :D |
| 11:41.00 | Funkeh` | sb, why do you need anything but inventory changed and regen enabled |
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| 11:41.10 | Funkeh` | the other events are a waste |
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| 11:41.56 | sb | because it doesnt do anything on repair if you dont have MERCHANT_CLOSED |
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| 11:42.25 | Funkeh` | ok and that |
| 11:42.27 | sb | and without UPDATE_INVENTORY_ALERTS it doesnt even catch equip/unequip |
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| 11:42.52 | Funkeh` | unit inventory changed handles hat |
| 11:42.57 | Funkeh` | read it on wowwiki |
| 11:43.07 | sb | i tried, but it didnt work |
| 11:43.12 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r64009 10BetterQuestTracker/modules/ (autotrack.lua sounds.lua): BetterQuestTracker: De-fail callbacks. (Forgotten about callbackname being passed as first argument.) |
| 11:44.06 | Funkeh` | it says alerts only fires when something goes red/yellow |
| 11:44.23 | sb | 'May also fire on any durability status change, even if that change doesn't require an update to the durability frame.' |
| 11:44.36 | sb | mh, okay |
| 11:44.39 | sb | *testing* |
| 11:44.48 | Funkeh` | so only register that and try |
| 11:44.55 | Funkeh` | and merchant |
| 11:46.05 | Lukian | What's the difference between Recount and Recount2 ? :p |
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| 11:47.00 | Lukian | I guess I'll assume 2 is newer |
| 11:47.02 | sb | Funkeh`: regen, update and merchant - *testing* |
| 11:47.18 | Funkeh` | try withou regen |
| 11:47.20 | Funkeh` | preferably |
| 11:47.30 | sb | nah that doesnt work |
| 11:47.37 | Funkeh` | why |
| 11:48.15 | sb | if some mob hits you (and damages your items) it wont update the durability |
| 11:48.23 | sb | 100% -> fight with mob -> 99%, doesnt update |
| 11:48.50 | sb | and i'm not sure if it catches durability loss from death w/o PLAYER_DEAD |
| 11:49.11 | Funkeh` | May also fire on any durability status change, even if that change doesn't require an update to the durability frame. <- somewhat contradicting |
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| 11:50.23 | sb | okay, removed UPDATE_INVENTORY_ALERTS and ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA |
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| 11:51.10 | Funkeh` | it's alerts that apparently fires every change |
| 11:51.23 | sb | and you need PLAYER_DEAD :p |
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| 11:51.40 | Funkeh` | not if you have regen enabled |
| 11:52.07 | sb | well - i just killed myself by unmounting |
| 11:52.10 | sb | and didny update :) |
| 11:52.20 | sb | because i never got into combat |
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| 11:52.55 | Funkeh` | so write in the ##notes only works if you don't kill yourself |
| 11:53.01 | sb | :o |
| 11:53.01 | Funkeh` | ;p |
| 11:53.18 | CIA-9 | 03sbu * r64010 10StatBlocks_Durability/StatBlocks_Durability.lua: StatBlocks_Durability: removed some events |
| 11:53.26 | Funkeh` | nubs jumping os shattrath elevators |
| 11:53.32 | Funkeh` | pf |
| 11:53.40 | zapl | maybe "CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_MISC_INFO" - |
| 11:53.40 | zapl | Fires when your equipment takes durability loss from death, and likely other situations as well. |
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| 11:54.20 | Funkeh` | I think that's removed in 2.4 |
| 11:55.46 | MoonWitch | do ya think 2.4 will go live next maintenance? |
| 11:55.56 | sb | no |
| 11:55.57 | Funkeh` | no... |
| 11:56.13 | Funkeh` | maybe next month :D |
| 11:56.28 | MoonWitch | they can keep it "un live" for a long time for all I care |
| 11:56.45 | MoonWitch | all the UI changes seem good though, but the gear changes etc .. Me not happy lol |
| 11:57.00 | nevcairiel | what gear changes? |
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| 11:57.26 | MoonWitch | on one of the pally sets, they're changing MP5 into crit |
| 11:57.38 | MoonWitch | can't think of which set anymore though |
| 11:57.56 | nevcairiel | crit is what pallys need, no? |
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| 11:58.09 | baer_ | hmm... i'm pretty curious about the role of the raiding shadow priest in 2.4. |
| 11:58.10 | MoonWitch | we also need a way to get some mana regen going lol |
| 11:58.19 | MoonWitch | baer why's that? |
| 11:58.23 | nevcairiel | for Holy Paladins, crit is mana regen |
| 11:58.30 | MoonWitch | I haven't read up much on that |
| 11:58.48 | baer_ | MoonWitch: there's one good reason to take a sp into your raid -> mana reg. |
| 11:58.54 | MoonWitch | well, with our skill we get 60% of the spell mana back if it crit |
| 11:59.15 | nevcairiel | our pallys all go for crit and not mp5, and they dont run oom |
| 11:59.17 | nevcairiel | ever :D |
| 11:59.21 | selckin | mp5 > crit when at ~18 crit |
| 11:59.24 | estala | baer_: shadow weaving + misery |
| 11:59.25 | vhaarr | god dammit |
| 11:59.32 | vhaarr | they are removing the essence of immortals stuff |
| 11:59.34 | vhaarr | and making it time based |
| 11:59.36 | vhaarr | fuckers |
| 11:59.38 | baer_ | since everyone's manareg is "fixed" there's no need to sp'ing. |
| 11:59.45 | sb | ofc it is |
| 11:59.47 | selckin | vhaarr: it's too evi lon realms with only 2 guilds in bt |
| 11:59.49 | nevcairiel | vhaarr: that intel is so 2 weeks ago |
| 12:00.01 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: yeah but I just read it |
| 12:00.01 | sb | just put sp in demolock + elemental shammy group :o |
| 12:00.03 | baer_ | estala: sw+misery scales quite good, but sp are not capable for doing like 2k dps. |
| 12:00.08 | estala | no |
| 12:00.10 | estala | but you bring an arms warrior |
| 12:00.15 | estala | for 4% and MS |
| 12:00.22 | estala | it's still very much worth it |
| 12:00.53 | baer_ | well, i guess that pretty depends on your raids dd. |
| 12:00.59 | estala | also VE |
| 12:01.05 | nevcairiel | we dont bring arms warriors for their puny buff :P |
| 12:01.08 | baer_ | if there's a caster-oriented setup, it's quite a boost. |
| 12:01.09 | estala | is very useful for a lot of the raid damage isome sunwell fights |
| 12:01.24 | selckin | we started experimenting with arms warriors in prep |
| 12:01.33 | baer_ | but concerning an setup with 5 casters it's simply a waste. |
| 12:01.33 | selckin | they seem good |
| 12:01.58 | baer_ | nevcairiel: usually arms warri means good dps. |
| 12:02.09 | sb | uhm, no? :p |
| 12:02.10 | nevcairiel | a fury can do more sustained dps |
| 12:02.19 | estala | 2 warlocks doing 1800 dps , sw + misery adds 279 dps each |
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| 12:02.20 | estala | I mean |
| 12:02.21 | nevcairiel | and the 4% buff isnt really worth it imho |
| 12:02.22 | sb | yup, what nevcairiel said |
| 12:02.38 | Grum | fury>arms |
| 12:02.56 | baer_ | hmm... which buff/debuff are we actually talking about? |
| 12:02.57 | nevcairiel | right now we usually take 2 shadow priests, we'll most likely reduce that to one |
| 12:03.02 | estala | sw + misery, baer |
| 12:03.06 | Grum | nevcairiel: why? |
| 12:03.09 | baer_ | oh ok. |
| 12:03.09 | nevcairiel | because half the casters wont need the mana regen anymore |
| 12:03.16 | Grum | why not? |
| 12:03.17 | estala | also nev, have you actually run 4% extra physical damage |
| 12:03.19 | estala | against a raid |
| 12:03.24 | estala | it's pretty fucking huge |
| 12:03.24 | Grum | do they get a boost of ~240mp5 orso? |
| 12:03.26 | baer_ | that's 5% for all and additional 10% to shadow dmg. |
| 12:04.25 | nevcairiel | Grum: nah, but its still not needed, personally i cant run oom anymore, and any half-decent equiped healer will no longer need the shadow regen |
| 12:04.26 | baer_ | what exactly 4% are arms warris doing? |
| 12:04.28 | MoonWitch | funkeh? I think it was you who mentioned only eset + xchat as background .. thanks for that one |
| 12:04.43 | estala | baer_: Blood Frenzy. Increases physical damage done by 4% |
| 12:04.47 | Grum | nevcairiel: err |
| 12:04.53 | baer_ | aaah, ok. |
| 12:05.01 | Grum | i can still go oom eyes closed with ~320mp5 |
| 12:05.03 | Funkeh` | moonsorrow, eset for the utimate low resources |
| 12:05.11 | Grum | chainchuking potions |
| 12:05.12 | Funkeh` | ffs |
| 12:05.13 | estala | spamming arcane blast, grum? |
| 12:05.16 | Funkeh` | MoonWitch, |
| 12:05.20 | Funkeh` | moonsorrow, sorry :D |
| 12:05.21 | nevcairiel | Grum: everybody _can_ .. but you shouldnt and l2p :P |
| 12:05.21 | Grum | estala: as priest |
| 12:05.26 | estala | holy? |
| 12:05.28 | MoonWitch | I had Nod32 av .. but now I went n got the security suite lol |
| 12:05.37 | Funkeh` | me too |
| 12:05.39 | Grum | nevcairiel: its not l2p, its just faster healing than others |
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| 12:05.40 | CIA-9 | PitBull |
| 12:05.40 | CIA-9 | - zhTW update |
| 12:05.41 | Funkeh` | gui is a bit buggy |
| 12:05.43 | Grum | because they slack |
| 12:05.49 | Funkeh` | but functionality is fine |
| 12:05.49 | estala | Like, in some of the sunwell fights it is still rather possible to oom as a healer |
| 12:05.54 | estala | some of the fights take some insane amount of healing output |
| 12:06.07 | estala | and also have some hefty dps reqs requiring healer light situations |
| 12:06.09 | nevcairiel | Grum: then teach them to not slack .. or waste some dps and take a shadow :D |
| 12:06.14 | baer_ | estala: i'm a bit suprised. |
| 12:06.22 | Grum | without shadowpriest my maximum HPS is ~30% lower |
| 12:06.52 | nevcairiel | brutallus is a insane dps fight, you'll need anything you can get, and if a warlock can do 50% more then a shadow priest .. then he is in :P |
| 12:06.59 | estala | your warlocks will suck |
| 12:07.01 | estala | without SW + Misery |
| 12:07.10 | nevcairiel | thats why i said we still take one |
| 12:07.13 | nevcairiel | but not two like before |
| 12:07.17 | baer_ | yes, but if the sp wastes 50% you win nothing. :-p |
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| 12:07.59 | estala | well a SP can do something in the neighborhood of 1400 |
| 12:08.00 | Ellipsis | copy-pasting code? for shame |
| 12:08.10 | estala | the first one quite good, extras though as you say, not quite as necessary |
| 12:08.12 | estala | but VE is very helpful |
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| 12:08.22 | estala | great for healing meteorslash and felmyst aoe damage |
| 12:08.32 | estala | for example |
| 12:08.45 | nevcairiel | its, like always, totally dependant on the fight |
| 12:08.49 | Xinhuan | bah they fixed Kaelthas |
| 12:08.54 | Xinhuan | can't blink out to reset the counter |
| 12:08.55 | estala | what was wrong with kael'thas? |
| 12:08.57 | Xinhuan | encounter* |
| 12:08.58 | estala | oh |
| 12:08.59 | estala | lol |
| 12:09.04 | baer_ | estala: ok, didn't try felmyst by now, tbh. |
| 12:09.14 | estala | Xinhuan: Just don't wipe :D |
| 12:09.16 | Xinhuan | why were we trying to reset it? because we killed all of p2 kael, but couldn't loot the weapons |
| 12:09.17 | Xinhuan | due to |
| 12:09.20 | Xinhuan | HONOR UPDATE |
| 12:09.22 | Xinhuan | ON BLACKROCK |
| 12:09.23 | estala | rofl |
| 12:09.24 | nevcairiel | the only thing i'm trying to say, with 2.4 the mana regen buff removes the need for a shadow priest on healers on most fights |
| 12:09.25 | estala | owned |
| 12:09.47 | nevcairiel | hell you dont even need a shadow priest now |
| 12:09.55 | Fisker- | buff holy paladins |
| 12:09.56 | nevcairiel | only mages need them for the regen =P |
| 12:10.02 | Xinhuan | it only took about 3 minutes for kaelthas and some phonixes and all 4 advisors to kill someone who couldn't be killed since he was in loot lag ;p |
| 12:10.15 | estala | awesome xin :D |
| 12:10.22 | estala | that's pretty fantastic :) |
| 12:10.23 | Dklein | or Holy Paladins @ nevcairiel ,_, |
| 12:10.35 | nevcairiel | uh, no |
| 12:11.37 | Fisker- | nevcairiel is right because in 2.4 you might as well just take priests and druids with you |
| 12:12.32 | Fisker- | well you can have them logged out for rebuffing |
| 12:12.39 | sb | Funkeh`: i tried to keep the durability calculation very basic |
| 12:12.51 | Funkeh` | good |
| 12:12.58 | Funkeh` | basic is good |
| 12:12.59 | Dklein | dunno how good a druid will perform after the lifebloom nerfs. |
| 12:13.14 | estala | they're okay |
| 12:13.19 | nevcairiel | the nerf isnt really bad |
| 12:13.20 | estala | but you still don't want more than like.. 1, maybe 2 |
| 12:13.20 | sb | no cost stuff, only get durability values, add them up and divide |
| 12:13.31 | estala | haven't seen them in action since the reduction on regrowth |
| 12:13.36 | estala | so they may change into regrowth spamming machines |
| 12:13.43 | estala | hard to say how effective that will realy be |
| 12:13.49 | Funkeh` | sb, that's all you need |
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| 12:14.03 | Funkeh` | rest is just 'nice features', i.e. not needed |
| 12:14.46 | nevcairiel | i dont understand guilds that run with 1 resto druid |
| 12:15.09 | baer_ | why? |
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| 12:15.10 | estala | I don't understand people that run 3 :P |
| 12:15.26 | nevcairiel | either your druids suck then, or your understanding of the class does |
| 12:15.30 | estala | Neither |
| 12:15.35 | estala | Maybe your other healers suck |
| 12:15.37 | nevcairiel | its the second then |
| 12:16.30 | estala | No my understanding of druids is quite fine |
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| 12:17.24 | baer_ | druids have a fine hpm... |
| 12:17.35 | baer_ | why not taking 3 of 'em, mixed with other healers? |
| 12:18.20 | nevcairiel | A druid is the most powerful healer on single target, and does just fine healing multiple targets or moderate raid dmg, the only thing they lack is aoe raid healing, thats where you take CoH Priests |
| 12:18.54 | baer_ | nevcairiel: absolutely my experience. |
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| 12:25.56 | Gnarfoz | we run with 3, sometimes 4 :D they are awesome. |
| 12:26.13 | sb_ | err Funkeh` |
| 12:26.15 | sb_ | *slap* |
| 12:26.20 | Gnarfoz | only beat out by CoH priest and sometimes resto shaman |
| 12:26.43 | Funkeh` | ? |
| 12:26.47 | Fisker- | holy paladins suck |
| 12:26.50 | Fisker- | boooh |
| 12:27.05 | Gnarfoz | spamming FoL ftw |
| 12:27.07 | Fisker- | i don't wanna lolret :( |
| 12:27.11 | Fisker- | HALP |
| 12:27.21 | MoonWitch | Gnarfoz, that's usually what I end up doing |
| 12:27.22 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 12:27.25 | Gnarfoz | go prot and tank ungodly masses of stuff, Fisker- |
| 12:27.43 | Fisker- | I don't have gear for it |
| 12:27.47 | sb_ | oh nvm Funkeh`, you already fixed ZoneText ;) |
| 12:27.48 | Fisker- | And i don't want to collect it either :< |
| 12:27.49 | Gnarfoz | get it then, or fail |
| 12:27.54 | Fisker- | WAH |
| 12:27.56 | Fisker- | I WANNA HEAL |
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| 12:28.06 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 12:28.17 | Gnarfoz | we're at the lowest end for the time being, I guess, Fisker- :< |
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| 12:28.50 | Fisker- | yeah :( |
| 12:28.58 | Gnarfoz | maybe wotlk will turn it all around, again ;) we win at mana efficiency even without fat mana reg gear, so until all the other classes are imba equipped, we will again be the shit... maybe |
| 12:29.18 | Fisker- | perhaps |
| 12:29.29 | Gnarfoz | DO NOT GIVE UP HOPE |
| 12:29.35 | Gnarfoz | or /wrists |
| 12:29.39 | Gnarfoz | your chocie |
| 12:29.48 | Gnarfoz | *choice |
| 12:29.51 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: mana regen doesnt scale down when you level up :P |
| 12:29.54 | Fisker- | Then Blizzard must construct additional betas |
| 12:30.26 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: you nevertheless swap out your current gear for new gear with maybe less manareg, for whatever reasons it will be this time. last time it was Stamina >_> |
| 12:30.34 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 12:30.43 | Fisker- | The spirit change is level based |
| 12:30.45 | nevcairiel | i wore my T3 for quite some time |
| 12:30.48 | Fisker- | so your mana regen will scale down |
| 12:30.51 | baer_ | does CoH actually heal my local group (within a raid) only or does it also affect raid member? |
| 12:30.53 | baer_ | s |
| 12:31.03 | Gnarfoz | baer_: heals group members of whomever you are healing |
| 12:31.05 | nevcairiel | CoH heals the group you target |
| 12:31.10 | Gnarfoz | within 18y of that player |
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| 12:31.27 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: i got mp5 .. :P |
| 12:31.34 | Gnarfoz | imba for healing melee groups :D they're all clumped up anyway, just spam that shit on them :D |
| 12:31.38 | Gnarfoz | we loves it <3 |
| 12:31.48 | baer_ | i guess so :-) |
| 12:31.50 | Fisker- | I DISLOVE IT |
| 12:32.01 | Fisker- | buff holy paladins :( |
| 12:32.30 | Fisker- | They managed to fix most of the O SHIT O SHIT O SHIT |
| 12:32.33 | Fisker- | abilities |
| 12:32.48 | Fisker- | but lolling at our hands and divine shield 2.0 haven't recieved shit |
| 12:32.51 | Fisker- | :< |
| 12:34.05 | MoonWitch | Fisker, and all that lead me to levelling up a damn priest lol |
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| 12:36.46 | Fisker- | :< |
| 12:37.55 | nevcairiel | players that change class just because theirs wasnt needed in raids generally arent the best players of that class, no offense :P |
| 12:38.20 | Fisker- | your mother |
| 12:38.30 | MoonWitch | I have a char in every class but a hunter and warrior |
| 12:38.45 | MoonWitch | never said I was a good pally :P or a good player. I just get bored way too damn fast |
| 12:39.37 | Fisker- | only thing i know is that paladins need a buff |
| 12:39.42 | Fisker- | remove illumination nerf imo |
| 12:39.43 | Zeksie | anyone know of a mod that will tell me what WAS in a bag slot... you know, you've just raided and you have this empty slot and you can't for the life of you remember what should be there.. |
| 12:39.46 | Fisker- | and make divine favor bug more |
| 12:39.49 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: nah, what to do if you're the 5th of class X? not much you can do ;> |
| 12:40.02 | Fisker- | kael'thas + bugged divine favor + main tank taking loads of damage = luv |
| 12:40.11 | MoonWitch | and the reason I started a priest was simple, they are better healers in groups ... (especially after 2.4) |
| 12:40.15 | Gnarfoz | infinite DF? |
| 12:40.16 | Gnarfoz | wtb |
| 12:40.18 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 12:40.35 | Fisker- | I don't know how i just noticed that my heals kept critting |
| 12:40.41 | Fisker- | thought i were on a streak or something |
| 12:40.58 | Gnarfoz | wtb unnerfed illum + that = mass HL max rank spam |
| 12:40.58 | Fisker- | So i just started HL spamming :P |
| 12:41.23 | Gnarfoz | anyway, gotta level "Gnarfoz" to 70 before raid so I finally have that done. he sucks. :p |
| 12:41.41 | Fisker- | :o? |
| 12:42.03 | Gnarfoz | he's my pre-BC pre-switched-to-another-server main :< |
| 12:42.33 | MoonWitch | meh I am going to shower |
| 12:42.36 | MoonWitch | see yallz later |
| 12:43.10 | Gnarfoz | switched servers to my rogue, hated rogues after BC came out because they lacked utility in basically every departement, and with 360degree chain cleaves and masses of deadly AoE stuff going on pre 2.1 I leveled my paladin... and afterwards switched back to my rogue ;P |
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| 12:48.35 | Fisker- | oh you too Gnarfoz? :o |
| 12:48.54 | Fisker- | not going back to my rogue though :( |
| 12:49.20 | Gnarfoz | I could probably switch to my pally without too much trouble, but with holy being as strong/weak as it is right now, I'd rather not |
| 12:50.04 | mykx | raiding rogues have a hard time finding *new* guilds, everybody has rogues |
| 12:50.06 | Fisker- | It seems like Blizzard have this tendency to totally ignore a class |
| 12:50.19 | evl | No fisker |
| 12:50.36 | evl | it seems like people playing the game have a tendency to be as attention craving as a girl on her period |
| 12:50.45 | Fisker- | No evl |
| 12:50.49 | Fisker- | It seems like Blizzard have this tendency to totally ignore a class |
| 12:50.58 | evl | oh and what class is this? |
| 12:51.05 | evl | only thing I see not getting attention is prot warrior |
| 12:51.25 | Fisker- | You didn't want to hear arguments before, you're not going to hear them now |
| 12:51.40 | Fisker- | You can continue your "No Fisker" stuff and i'll loop it with you |
| 12:51.45 | evl | Just curious what class it us :D |
| 12:51.50 | mykx | evl: they are the #1 MT why do they need more loving |
| 12:52.10 | evl | mykx: do you raid BT content at all? |
| 12:52.22 | mykx | yeah actually 2 night clears why ? |
| 12:52.29 | evl | if it wasn't for shear we might as well use druids for everything |
| 12:52.43 | mykx | then your warriors suck to be honest |
| 12:52.50 | mykx | we only use durids for azgalor |
| 12:53.03 | evl | aha, what does your tanks do to get rage |
| 12:53.07 | evl | when all they do is evade |
| 12:53.11 | evl | remove gear? |
| 12:53.14 | evl | go t4? |
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| 12:53.29 | CIA-9 | ItemValue: |
| 12:53.29 | CIA-9 | - Added shortcut to en/disable all unique jewels |
| 12:53.29 | CIA-9 | - Less garbage when using BestJewels (and BestItems) function |
| 12:53.29 | CIA-9 | - Moved localisation files into subfolder |
| 12:53.31 | CIA-9 | - Toc update |
| 12:53.44 | mykx | I wouldn't know we don't have threat issues mostly |
| 12:53.56 | evl | it's a rage issue not a threat issue |
| 12:54.03 | Saroz | l2rage, it's fine |
| 12:54.12 | mykx | sure but rage == threat, no ? |
| 12:54.22 | vhaarr | rage isn't a problem |
| 12:54.24 | vhaarr | your tanks just suck |
| 12:55.12 | evl | Fisker-: what threat? |
| 12:55.14 | nevcairiel | only boss we seriously have rage issues is winterchill =P |
| 12:55.15 | evl | thread* |
| 12:55.22 | nevcairiel | he hits like a sissy |
| 12:55.33 | Grum | use paladintank :P |
| 12:55.34 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: yeah better with a pally tank on him |
| 12:55.36 | kebinusan | just run in the first death and decay |
| 12:55.37 | evl | we've had a couple of times on ilidan where mt dodges 3 times in a row and doesn't have rage to put shieldblock up |
| 12:55.38 | evl | fun fun |
| 12:55.38 | kebinusan | easy rage |
| 12:55.43 | vhaarr | e |
| 12:55.43 | Saroz | << prot for MH \o/ |
| 12:55.52 | nevcairiel | Grum: yeah we started doing that, didnt have a prot before tho |
| 12:55.53 | vhaarr | evl: rage pot |
| 12:55.57 | vhaarr | and save rage for it |
| 12:56.08 | vhaarr | rage pot gives 75 rage, you have plenty |
| 12:56.24 | Saroz | really sounds like your tank sucks |
| 12:56.27 | Saroz | tbh |
| 12:56.54 | Saroz | only boss we have threat issues is RoS, cause it hits like a girl |
| 12:56.56 | Grum | evl: MT dodging 3 hits, that is a total of 1.8s |
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| 12:57.29 | Grum | every 1.5s you have 2 hits (afaik) |
| 12:57.37 | mykx | evl what class do you play? |
| 12:57.43 | evl | rogue |
| 12:57.56 | kebinusan | I hope to kill ROS this week, 1% wipe last week cause I pulled aggro on muh lock :-( |
| 12:58.15 | Grum | RoS threat issues can be 'solved' with severe PoM spam and MD's :) |
| 12:58.17 | Saroz | hehe first time we hit P3 we killed it |
| 12:58.22 | Saroz | awesome encounter |
| 12:58.26 | mykx | hit up a private server. you can put out ~1300 teeps in T4 as a warrior even your first time playing one, it's really a joke and well your tanks suck |
| 12:58.29 | Grum | i hate it |
| 12:58.39 | kebinusan | our warrior keeps dying from getting scream with a full rage bar |
| 12:58.48 | Funkeh` | sb_, you've got a memory leak in healer stats somehere |
| 12:58.50 | durcyn | tell him to pop stances to dump rage |
| 12:58.52 | Grum | mykx: yes because a private server is like so the same as a real sever >< |
| 12:58.54 | Grum | *server |
| 12:58.57 | Funkeh` | somehere |
| 12:59.07 | mykx | Grum: my point is.. he can see how easy it is to play a warrior tank |
| 12:59.11 | vhaarr | kebinusan: tell him to open his spell book and find the "Heroic Strike" skill |
| 12:59.14 | Grum | its not easy |
| 12:59.21 | Grum | its the worst tank to play |
| 12:59.32 | Saroz | lol |
| 12:59.32 | Grum | druid/paladin are sooooooo much easier |
| 12:59.35 | evl | how can anything be easier than druid? |
| 12:59.36 | kebinusan | heroic really doesnt help you dump rage on ROS |
| 12:59.39 | Saroz | paladin isnt easier |
| 12:59.44 | Funkeh` | sb_, or not, you're using a repeating timr wtf? |
| 12:59.50 | nevcairiel | warrior tank in shatterd halls = rotating player o.O |
| 12:59.50 | Saroz | if the fucker isnt hitting you as paladin, you have issues too |
| 12:59.58 | Saroz | pala taunt is win though |
| 13:00.00 | Grum | vhaarr: yeah HS ragedump works perfect |
| 13:00.17 | Grum | Saroz: way less than a warrior |
| 13:00.27 | Grum | paladins need dmg for mana from healing |
| 13:00.39 | Grum | but they can still threat as long as they have mana |
| 13:00.46 | nevcairiel | as a pally you at least have no threat issues at the beginning of the fight |
| 13:00.47 | sb_ | Funkeh`: mhhh, whats the problem with rep timer? |
| 13:00.51 | Saroz | yea byt JoR costs a fuckload of mana |
| 13:01.02 | Funkeh` | sb_, it's totally not the right way to go... |
| 13:01.18 | Funkeh` | use an event dude |
| 13:01.19 | Saroz | if a paladin loses aggro to a taunt immune boss, you are in trouble |
| 13:01.20 | sb_ | better use event there? |
| 13:01.21 | sb_ | mhh |
| 13:01.54 | Grum | Saroz: if a warrior has that its as worse |
| 13:02.03 | Grum | you can just intervene for 6 seconds of 'focus' but thats it |
| 13:02.04 | nevcairiel | Saroz: warriors cant really get much back up either, unless the aggro person does a threat dump or dies =P |
| 13:02.13 | Saroz | :p |
| 13:02.25 | Saroz | well watch omen and get a pro tank |
| 13:02.33 | Grum | get pro-raid |
| 13:02.43 | nevcairiel | without being hit you're out of rage so fast |
| 13:02.43 | Grum | hunters/priests make a shitload of difference on TPS |
| 13:03.41 | Saroz | as I said, we use a prot warrior with full T6 for everything, and the only boss he has problems on is RoS |
| 13:03.56 | Grum | yup |
| 13:04.08 | sb_ | Funkeh`: UNIT_AURA, UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED, PLAYER_LEVEL_UP? |
| 13:04.10 | Grum | i love druids on the flames @ Illi |
| 13:04.14 | Grum | they also suck :P |
| 13:04.17 | Grum | more than warriors on flames :D |
| 13:04.22 | Saroz | ye we use a druid for that |
| 13:04.23 | Saroz | for 2nd flame |
| 13:04.31 | Grum | and paladins are just kek on flames |
| 13:04.34 | nevcairiel | we use one druid and one warrior, works ok'ish |
| 13:04.35 | Funkeh` | sb_, try that for just now |
| 13:04.37 | Funkeh` | see how it goes |
| 13:04.45 | Grum | yeah we have 1st warrior, second druid |
| 13:04.53 | Saroz | same |
| 13:04.53 | Grum | and a paladin MT |
| 13:04.59 | Saroz | have warr MT |
| 13:05.14 | Grum | paladin MT <3 @ Illi |
| 13:05.18 | Saroz | meh |
| 13:05.18 | Grum | easy 1500tps :) |
| 13:05.29 | Saroz | dont have gear for it, I think |
| 13:05.45 | Grum | ~22k hp orso buffed |
| 13:05.49 | Saroz | and have to convince the others :p |
| 13:06.08 | Saroz | only prot for hyjal waves, fun shit |
| 13:06.19 | Grum | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Doomhammer&n=Neddie <-- the paladin |
| 13:06.35 | Grum | paladins are fun on the 3rd MH boss :P |
| 13:06.41 | Grum | the mana-drainer :P |
| 13:06.52 | Saroz | holy shield is 200 mana |
| 13:06.54 | Saroz | nps |
| 13:06.57 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r64017 10StatBlocks_Ammo/StatBlocks_Ammo.lua: StatBlocks_Ammo: cleanup |
| 13:08.11 | Grum | i think we've done all bosses in t6 with paladins except for archi |
| 13:08.43 | Grum | well that i've seen |
| 13:08.48 | Saroz | this fucking paladin has T6 gear |
| 13:08.51 | Saroz | I only have T5 :| |
| 13:09.01 | sb_ | Funkeh`: works |
| 13:09.02 | Grum | meh our main warrior tank just switched to arms |
| 13:09.05 | Saroz | and BB trinket, fucks sake, gief |
| 13:09.05 | Grum | and made us cry and lol |
| 13:09.07 | mort | our paladin managed to eat the shear everytime he tried to tank illidan :/ |
| 13:09.07 | Funkeh` | commit |
| 13:09.21 | Saroz | lucky on loot tbh |
| 13:09.27 | Saroz | never seen tank bracers or belt drop |
| 13:09.28 | Saroz | or trinket |
| 13:09.44 | CIA-9 | 03sbu * r64018 10StatBlocks_HealerStats/StatBlocks_HealerStats.lua: StatBlocks_HealerStats: use events |
| 13:09.50 | CIA-9 | 03sbu * r64019 10StatBlocks_CasterStats/StatBlocks_CasterStats.lua: StatBlocks_CasterStats: use events |
| 13:09.57 | iNs|Renew | what is statblocks |
| 13:10.18 | Grum | last time @ illidan i ninjad that paladins chest ;D |
| 13:10.32 | Grum | and i got demoted to 'sunwell reserve' the second after :D |
| 13:10.33 | Saroz | give illidan shield |
| 13:10.50 | evl | wasn't there some prot tank on us that ninjaed glaive? |
| 13:10.56 | evl | was some drama thread |
| 13:11.12 | Grum | we havent had a single drop |
| 13:11.31 | evl | it's quite low |
| 13:11.33 | Grum | and 10 kills orso |
| 13:11.39 | evl | curse, nihilum, dt has not gotten one |
| 13:11.40 | evl | :o |
| 13:11.52 | Grum | other BT guild on our server ... had 4 O.o |
| 13:12.01 | Saroz | ours have 7 |
| 13:12.03 | Saroz | iirc |
| 13:12.10 | CIA-9 | 03sbu * r64020 10StatBlocks_CasterStats/ (Libs/ embeds.xml): StatBlocks_CasterStats: add externals + embeds.xml |
| 13:12.12 | Grum | time will make it drop |
| 13:12.14 | nevcairiel | we had 2 |
| 13:12.23 | CIA-9 | 03sbu * r64021 10StatBlocks_HealerStats/ (Libs/ embeds.xml): StatBlocks_HealerStats: add externals + embeds.xml |
| 13:12.36 | evl | Im dissapointed |
| 13:12.42 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r64022 10BetterQuestTracker/ (core.lua modules/autotrack.lua): |
| 13:12.42 | CIA-9 | BetterQuestTracker: |
| 13:12.42 | CIA-9 | -Fix auto-tracking by zone. |
| 13:12.42 | CIA-9 | -Forget about tracked quests once they're turned in. |
| 13:12.44 | evl | glaives will be good void crystals when S4 comes |
| 13:12.46 | evl | again. |
| 13:12.56 | Saroz | cant dis legendaries |
| 13:13.00 | evl | :D |
| 13:13.03 | evl | but you get my point |
| 13:13.05 | Grum | s4 > glaives? |
| 13:13.07 | Saroz | yaya |
| 13:13.10 | evl | yeah |
| 13:13.18 | Grum | lol |
| 13:13.20 | evl | S3 > infamy from MH etc. |
| 13:13.34 | Grum | they should really stop making fucking pvp gear better than pve |
| 13:13.36 | evl | they need some new stat Equip: increases ap vs players X |
| 13:13.48 | kebinusan | caster weapons are under itemized compared to melee arena weaps |
| 13:13.50 | nevcairiel | there are no final s4 stats out anyway |
| 13:15.09 | evl | it's pretty logical nev |
| 13:15.25 | evl | that they will be better than glaives |
| 13:15.30 | evl | because otherwise it wouldn't be an upgrade |
| 13:15.31 | evl | at all |
| 13:16.40 | Gnarfoz | glaives set proc owns everything |
| 13:16.49 | Gnarfoz | fuck s4 :p |
| 13:16.50 | evl | Sure but look at the damage range of the released S4 mace |
| 13:16.54 | evl | it's not final but yeah |
| 13:17.11 | Gnarfoz | I'd even downgrade from S4 if I had the chance of having s4... for having a set of glaives |
| 13:17.13 | evl | Gnarfoz: Maybe blizzard could be so kind to unfuck themselves and make a trinket that beats something that drops from Gruul :D (DST) |
| 13:17.22 | Gnarfoz | yeah, they could. |
| 13:17.23 | Gnarfoz | :< |
| 13:17.36 | thul | http://static.andersberle.com/4tw/wat.jpg |
| 13:18.22 | Ellipsis | wat |
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| 13:18.42 | sb_ | lol |
| 13:18.46 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r64023 10StatBlocks/StatBlocks.lua: StatBlocks: Instead of using callbacks make a table with all the frames and update them in the core, old functionality will remain until modules are updated. |
| 13:18.46 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 13:19.02 | evl | rofl |
| 13:19.05 | evl | that is so wrong :D |
| 13:19.15 | evl | nevcairiel: quick q, how usable is bt4? |
| 13:19.23 | baer_ | anyone knows how to configure grid to show the full health deficit at all times? the option must be hidden somewhere. ;-D |
| 13:19.26 | nevcairiel | you cant keybind stuff |
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| 13:20.12 | nevcairiel | other then that, it works :P |
| 13:20.49 | sb_ | are you going to use blizz keybinding or something else? |
| 13:21.10 | sb_ | (do it on your own, e.g. by hovering button + pressing key) |
| 13:21.12 | nevcairiel | a combination of different things |
| 13:21.39 | evl | the blizz keybinder is a bit annoying since it travels poorly across accoutns/chars |
| 13:22.09 | nevcairiel | it'll most likely use the blizz system to store the bindings |
| 13:22.29 | nevcairiel | not sure how i'll setup the binding process |
| 13:23.13 | sb_ | do you know trinity bars? :o |
| 13:23.32 | evl | sb_: zomg dat gurl from da matrix in da latex? |
| 13:23.44 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:23.52 | evl | nevcairiel: liking BT3 though :D |
| 13:23.54 | sb_ | err yes :p |
| 13:24.32 | evl | Hmms, what to do when bored |
| 13:24.45 | Fin | find something to do |
| 13:24.50 | evl | so far i've done brd, lbrs, farmed the god damn BOP shirt from BRD and now for the second scholo shirt :P |
| 13:24.50 | Zhinjio | farm consortium rep *cry* |
| 13:25.02 | evl | Zhinjio: exalted with all tbc factions k-chock! |
| 13:25.32 | Zhinjio | I'm vicariously trying to get rep through you. |
| 13:25.41 | Zhinjio | FAIL |
| 13:25.43 | evl | i took the easy way |
| 13:25.46 | evl | 1100 insignias |
| 13:25.53 | evl | or wait, that's not the easy way |
| 13:26.03 | Zhinjio | insignias? |
| 13:26.29 | Zhinjio | oh, zaxxis, yeah |
| 13:26.44 | evl | pretty decent grind on a rogue, not too bad |
| 13:26.45 | Zhinjio | thats what I'm doing. |
| 13:27.01 | evl | just be sure to spec shadowstep with riposte |
| 13:27.04 | evl | and it's pretty easy |
| 13:27.09 | Zhinjio | <-- shammy |
| 13:27.20 | Zhinjio | or at least, my JC is |
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| 13:27.44 | evl | aha |
| 13:29.25 | Zhinjio | I'lll use this as an opportunity to level the rest of my weapon skills upo to 350 |
| 13:29.54 | evl | im stuck at 349 gun |
| 13:29.58 | evl | for 2 monts or some shit |
| 13:30.34 | Grum | easy to solve :P |
| 13:30.40 | Grum | go hunt in the deepruntram! |
| 13:30.52 | Grum | buy cheap bullets! ;D |
| 13:33.43 | Ellipsis | not tram, dr. boom |
| 13:33.49 | Ellipsis | easier for ranged skills since you can afk |
| 13:34.40 | cladhaire | word to that |
| 13:35.00 | Grum | depends on your class |
| 13:35.11 | Ellipsis | ? |
| 13:35.11 | Grum | or did they have an autoshoot toggle already ? ;D |
| 13:35.16 | Grum | for non huntardz |
| 13:35.35 | Ellipsis | uh...doesn't shoot work the same for all classes? |
| 13:35.51 | Grum | didnt use to |
| 13:36.05 | Grum | afaik on non-hunters weapon speed is not taken in account |
| 13:36.10 | Grum | and its always a 3s 'spell' |
| 13:36.14 | Ellipsis | huh |
| 13:36.21 | Ellipsis | well I've done it with wands at least |
| 13:36.29 | Zhinjio | Hey Ellipsis. |
| 13:36.29 | Grum | yeah ofc |
| 13:36.42 | Ellipsis | sup Zhinjio |
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| 13:39.51 | Funkeh` | sb_, your whitespace and spaces instead of tabs thing.. stop it |
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| 13:40.58 | CIA-9 | 03peragor * r64024 10LibTalentQuery-1.0/: |
| 13:40.58 | CIA-9 | LibTalentQuery-1.0: |
| 13:40.58 | CIA-9 | - Create folder |
| 13:41.05 | Gravix | hi |
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| 13:44.11 | Gravix | can anybody tell me if there is a difference between ElkBuffBar and ElkBuffBarS? |
| 13:44.22 | Stanzilla | Bars is new Bar is old |
| 13:44.51 | ValleG | Hm.... how to put this.. Is it possible to make a string span multiple lines in lua without using "line1\nline2" ? |
| 13:45.29 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r64025 10/trunk/ (13 files in 13 dirs): .trunk: StatBlocks and modules: Remove callbacks, small cleanups, let's see what breaks |
| 13:45.29 | Gravix | ah, ok. couldn't i get bars with wau? |
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| 13:45.48 | Grum | ValleG: err why not just use /n :) |
| 13:45.51 | Grum | err\n |
| 13:46.14 | ValleG | 'cause it makes reading it a lot harder >: |
| 13:46.45 | Xinhuan | apparantly |
| 13:46.51 | Xinhuan | the curse gaming "compilation" of cartographer |
| 13:46.52 | Gravix | "line1\n" + |
| 13:46.52 | Gravix | "line2\n" ? |
| 13:46.55 | Xinhuan | has GatherHud in it |
| 13:47.02 | Xinhuan | and its annoying people that download it with an empty circle |
| 13:47.24 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: "Cartographer Complete"? |
| 13:47.31 | Xinhuan | i don't know what its called |
| 13:47.39 | Xinhuan | but i've come across at least 2 or 3 posts on UI forums about it |
| 13:47.43 | kebinusan | Cwhats gatherhud do exactly |
| 13:47.45 | Xinhuan | "how do i get rid oe this annoying circle" |
| 13:47.54 | Xinhuan | kebinusan: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5103947276&sid=1 |
| 13:48.32 | kebinusan | Ive been having some problem with carto waypoints with gathermate where waypoints dont clear/move on at random points in my route |
| 13:48.43 | kebinusan | I cant reliably duplicate it tho |
| 13:50.03 | Xinhuan | gathermate doesn't use carto_waypoint |
| 13:50.32 | kebinusan | err |
| 13:50.34 | kebinusan | routes sorry |
| 13:50.40 | kebinusan | my brain isnt working |
| 13:50.44 | Xinhuan | in any case, there is seemingly no reason why GatherHud would be included in the carto package on curse |
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| 13:50.58 | charon_ | mroning |
| 13:50.58 | kebinusan | yeah thats just what reminded me |
| 13:51.01 | Xinhuan | as gatherhud is a "competing support addon for a competing addon vs cartographer_<blah>) |
| 13:51.18 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: probably because the guy is planning his transition away from cart |
| 13:51.30 | kebinusan | I mean that when I use waypoints with routes I sometimes get a waypoint that wont clear/move on at various points on my route |
| 13:51.43 | Ellipsis | yes, "Cartographer Complete" will no longer contain any part of Cartographer |
| 13:51.45 | Xinhuan | technically, grum wrote gatherhud as a "joke" |
| 13:51.53 | Ellipsis | how much sense does that make |
| 13:52.22 | Xinhuan | just as a proof of concept that it can be 10x faster than Gatherer's Hud |
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| 13:53.04 | kebinusan | Ive seen the screenshot now, but Im still not sure what the point of it is |
| 13:53.22 | CIA-9 | 03peragor * r64026 10LibTalentQuery-1.0/ (. LibTalentQuery-1.0.lua LibTalentQuery-1.0.toc lib.xml): |
| 13:53.22 | CIA-9 | LibTalentQuery-1.0: |
| 13:53.22 | CIA-9 | - Initial commit |
| 13:53.37 | Xinhuan | screenshot of? |
| 13:53.57 | kebinusan | the gathermate hud |
| 13:54.11 | Xinhuan | there isn't one as far as i know, where did you fidn one? lol |
| 13:54.36 | Zhinjio | yay! daggers 350. |
| 13:54.41 | Xinhuan | i just uploaded one |
| 13:54.42 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp8.jpg |
| 13:54.50 | peragor | @Xinhuan: I just committed a library for Talent Querying using the info that was discussed from the "INSPECT_TALENT_READY Hijack" thread. |
| 13:54.58 | Xinhuan | compare vs the minimap |
| 13:55.04 | Ellipsis | ...didn't someone else commit one of those? |
| 13:55.07 | Grum | <Xinhuan> technically, grum wrote gatherhud as a "joke" <-- yes I actually did >< |
| 13:55.11 | Grum | i was bored :D |
| 13:55.23 | Xinhuan | the whole circle will supposedly tilt along with your camera angle and stuff |
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| 13:55.34 | Xinhuan | and 600 icons in the hud has no real visible fps inpact |
| 13:55.39 | Ellipsis | LibTalents-1.0 + LibTalentQuery-1.0 = ??? |
| 13:55.43 | Xinhuan | if the hud is "zoomed out" |
| 13:55.55 | peragor | LibTalents does not do what mine does... |
| 13:55.55 | Xinhuan | to show an entire zone |
| 13:56.36 | peragor | I will create a wiki right now... |
| 13:56.38 | Ellipsis | what's the difference, peragor? |
| 13:56.50 | Grum | GatherHud is nothing more than a proof of concept because i was bored |
| 13:58.05 | peragor | LibTalentQuery is a guarrenteed talent query that can NOT be hijacked by another mod. It also fires a custom "event" or "callback" that returns the unit in question (Blizzard does not tell you which unit the event is for) |
| 13:58.27 | peragor | Another words, dogtag will not interfere with it... |
| 13:58.34 | Grum | can NOT be hijacked by another mod <-- kek |
| 13:59.03 | Ellipsis | so basically, as long as all addons go through your lib everyone's happy? |
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| 14:00.04 | peragor | Noone has to use my lib, but every implementation of talentqueries up to this point (that I have seen) has problems... |
| 14:00.21 | peragor | I believe (and I might be naive) that I have fixed all the problems... |
| 14:00.23 | Grum | i bet yours has too |
| 14:00.36 | Grum | you can always send bogus information |
| 14:00.41 | vhaarr | "can not be hijacked", what does that mean? |
| 14:00.41 | peragor | Then test it Grum, I challenge you.. |
| 14:00.55 | Grum | it can not return 'untrue' values for your class |
| 14:00.57 | Grum | which is funny ... |
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| 14:01.06 | Grum | because its lua .. so you can :D |
| 14:01.17 | Xinhuan | it means he is replacing the global function with his own |
| 14:01.28 | peragor | Right... |
| 14:01.33 | cladhaire | no, actually it doesn't. |
| 14:01.34 | peragor | One with some protections |
| 14:01.35 | cladhaire | he's hooking it |
| 14:01.36 | cladhaire | not replacing it |
| 14:01.45 | Grum | then i can just hook it agani |
| 14:01.48 | cladhaire | no |
| 14:01.48 | Grum | or hook his calls |
| 14:01.50 | cladhaire | its securely hooked. |
| 14:01.54 | cladhaire | you can't get at hit shit |
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| 14:02.00 | Grum | what is hooked can be unhooked :P |
| 14:02.02 | Xinhuan | if so, "cannot be hijacked" seems like the wrong description |
| 14:02.05 | cladhaire | no it can't. |
| 14:02.11 | cladhaire | Grum: look at the damn code before you shoot off at the mouth |
| 14:02.14 | cladhaire | you can't stop a securehook |
| 14:02.23 | cladhaire | learn2notace |
| 14:02.33 | cladhaire | this doesn't mean his lib will always work.. I can't speak to that |
| 14:02.39 | cladhaire | but stop being silly |
| 14:02.45 | vhaarr | surely you can replace the libs function with your own? |
| 14:02.49 | Grum | yup |
| 14:02.56 | cladhaire | in this case, yes |
| 14:02.59 | cladhaire | he could fix that |
| 14:03.00 | cladhaire | easily |
| 14:03.02 | Grum | there is nothing you can do against it if there is software on the client |
| 14:03.03 | vhaarr | if he used a local function then no |
| 14:03.05 | vhaarr | but he doesn't |
| 14:03.22 | cladhaire | Grum: sure.. but that's not what you were arguing. |
| 14:03.31 | cladhaire | hence why i jumped in, cause it was clear you hadn't looked at the damn code |
| 14:03.37 | cladhaire | *lurk* |
| 14:03.47 | peragor | I welcome anyone to help make it better, but I do think it's a good start at fixing a problem with Blizzard's talent interfacing... |
| 14:03.49 | Grum | who cares how you hijack? claiming you cant is just bs |
| 14:04.02 | peragor | I don't profess to be the best programmer... |
| 14:04.13 | vhaarr | I'm more interested in WHY anyone would want to "hijack", whatever that term is supposed to mean here |
| 14:04.34 | peragor | Ok, let me explain... |
| 14:04.54 | peragor | If 2 addons initiate a NotifyInspect() |
| 14:05.35 | peragor | Then how does one know which addons INSPECT_NOTIFY_READY is it going to trigger? |
| 14:06.04 | vhaarr | you can never know that |
| 14:06.08 | vhaarr | your code doesn't guarantee it either |
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| 14:06.34 | vhaarr | under the right conditions your code will work, but it's far from guaranteed |
| 14:06.51 | Grum | i'm also still wondering what a hijacker could possibly achieve |
| 14:07.15 | Fisker- | is coughing blood good? |
| 14:07.21 | peragor | hijack is not the right word. |
| 14:07.25 | xyu` | If you're a raging zombie |
| 14:07.27 | thul | YES FSKER |
| 14:07.40 | xyu` | or an "infected" or whatever they are in 28 days later |
| 14:07.52 | Fisker- | guilty on the zombie part |
| 14:07.54 | xyu` | just make sure to aim for the eyes |
| 14:15.26 | CIA-9 | 03peragor * r64027 10GridLayoutPlus/ (. GridLayoutPlus.lua GridLayoutPlus.toc): |
| 14:15.26 | CIA-9 | GridLayoutPlus: |
| 14:15.26 | CIA-9 | - Converted to using LibTalentQuery-1.0 for use in sorting by "Roles" |
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| 14:18.31 | Lukian | wtb TopScoreFu for 2.4 :( |
| 14:20.30 | xyu` | yeah and put warlocks on the Vulnerable list! all my bloody heals are warlock topscores :P |
| 14:21.15 | Wogroipl_ | who cares, nothing beats a 7k chain heal crit :) |
| 14:21.17 | Ellipsis | xyu`: don't you wish your girlfriend had fel armor like me? |
| 14:21.38 | Gnarfoz | Ellipsis: rather not |
| 14:23.23 | xyu` | what time is it right now GMT? |
| 14:23.30 | xyu` | n/m ill look it up /lazy |
| 14:23.45 | Wogroipl_ | 14:23 I guess |
| 14:24.11 | Wogroipl_ | since it's 15:23 where I am |
| 14:24.12 | Snago | ~time |
| 14:24.13 | purl | 2008.03.09 14:24:13 GMT, or the fourth dimension |
| 14:25.07 | xyu` | that works, thanks ^-^ Age of Conan tech test starts at 6 |
| 14:25.39 | Fisker- | !care(); |
| 14:25.47 | Fisker- | what timezone btw? |
| 14:25.57 | Fisker- | pm/am? |
| 14:26.02 | xyu` | GMT pm |
| 14:26.21 | Wogroipl_ | l2 24h format :) |
| 14:26.32 | Fisker- | what are we testing? |
| 14:26.33 | xyu` | 1800 ! fu |
| 14:26.35 | xyu` | pvp |
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| 14:30.05 | Iboong-Kenzo | нука |
| 14:30.11 | Iboong-Kenzo | напишите шонить кирилицей |
| 14:30.41 | Grum | bit more left |
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| 14:34.00 | CIA-9 | 03peragor * r64028 10LibTalentQuery-1.0/LibTalentQuery-1.0.lua: |
| 14:34.00 | CIA-9 | LibTalentQuery-1.0: |
| 14:34.00 | CIA-9 | - Usage example was wrong. |
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| 14:38.13 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r64029 10BetterQuestTracker/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:38.13 | CIA-9 | BetterQuestTracker: |
| 14:38.13 | CIA-9 | -New module: Tooltips. Shows quest objective info in item/mob tooltips |
| 14:38.13 | CIA-9 | -New module: PlayerNotify. LibSink-2.0 quest progress announcements. |
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| 14:58.58 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo * r64030 10LibSink-2.0/LibSink-2.0/LibSink-2.0.lua: LibSink-2.0: Fix Ace3 options. ("info[2]": bad. "info[#info]": good.) |
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| 15:03.42 | Fisker- | funny how rank 1 holy light is 35 mana cost |
| 15:03.55 | Fisker- | and libram of absolute truth was nerfed to only reduce mana cost by 34 |
| 15:05.51 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r64031 10LibQuixote-2.0/LibQuixote-2.0.lua: |
| 15:05.51 | CIA-9 | LibQuixote-2.0: |
| 15:05.51 | CIA-9 | -Add :GetNumQuestObjectives. |
| 15:05.51 | CIA-9 | -Fix typo in decompress_uid_oid. |
| 15:06.40 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r64032 10BetterQuestTracker/modules/playernotify.lua: |
| 15:06.40 | CIA-9 | BetterQuestTracker: |
| 15:06.40 | CIA-9 | -PlayerNotify: add sink storage, and update various names. |
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| 15:11.32 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r64033 10BetterQuestTracker/modules/playernotify.lua: BetterQuestTracker: Fix reference to QuestsFu. |
| 15:13.18 | CIA-9 | 03arrowmaster * r64034 10/branches/LibFuBarPlugin-3.0/ (7 files in 3 dirs): |
| 15:13.18 | CIA-9 | LibFuBarPlugin-3.0: |
| 15:13.18 | CIA-9 | -inital commit |
| 15:13.18 | CIA-9 | -now without any Rock! |
| 15:13.18 | CIA-9 | -I did it for the lulz! (at first, now this is serious) |
| 15:13.58 | Arrowmaster | Kemayo: ^^ |
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| 15:14.30 | godzirra | hiyas. |
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| 15:18.24 | CIA-9 | 03arrowmaster 07FrameworkIndependent * r64035 10LibFuBarPlugin-3.0/LibFuBarPlugin-Mod-3.0.lua: LibFuBarPlugin-3.0: ninja editing Rock out of the library headers 'Dependencies' |
| 15:18.34 | CIA-9 | 03kagaro * r64036 10GatherMate_Data/ (GasData.lua dbgen.rb.txt): GatherMate_Data: weekly data harvest via cron |
| 15:20.50 | Kemayo | Arrowmaster: Thanks! |
| 15:21.05 | Arrowmaster | Kemayo: like i said before its still incomplete |
| 15:22.09 | Arrowmaster | mainly the config, it doesnt inject anything into AceConfig-3.0 options tables yet so theres no way to config it |
| 15:22.16 | CIA-9 | 03kagaro * r64037 10GatherMate_Data/ (GasData.lua dbgen.rb.txt): GatherMate_Data: weekly data harvest via cron |
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| 15:27.41 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r64038 10StatBlocks_CasterStats/StatBlocks_CasterStats.lua: StatBlocks_CasterStats: optimize calculation function |
| 15:27.42 | Funkeh` | sb_, just so you know, unit_aura triggers for every unit in the raid |
| 15:27.59 | sb_ | meh, okay |
| 15:28.28 | Fisker- | can omen properly do multimob threat in 2.4 btw? |
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| 15:29.29 | Fisker- | or nevermind they send guids with the combat log |
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| 15:48.34 | Baps | morning. I've got an odd issue with bartender3 that google and the wowace.com forum search hasn't turned up an answer for. every time I zone or reload my interface, the default GUI bottom left actionbar and right actionbars are turned back on |
| 15:48.43 | Baps | and I have to go into interface options and disable them again |
| 15:48.53 | Baps | anyone seen that behaviour before? |
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| 15:50.08 | ckknight | nice thing about LibDogTag-3.0, people might like it: ["Text":Color("ff0000")] works as well as ["Text":Color(1, 0, 0)] |
| 15:52.18 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r64039 10Recount2/ (25 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:52.18 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 15:52.18 | CIA-9 | -Adds Luna Scrollbar textures ex. http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5407/recount2lunano4.jpg |
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| 16:01.52 | Jebus905 | Does anyone know how long the process takes between requesting SVN access and getting a response? It's been about a week for me so far. |
| 16:02.12 | peragor | Sometimes takes 3 weeks or so |
| 16:02.23 | Jebus905 | Ah ok, thank you. :) |
| 16:02.34 | peragor | Noone get's paid to monitor the email requests :P |
| 16:02.58 | Jebus905 | hee |
| 16:03.23 | peragor | I forget who is in change of the requests, but if you find out you could see if you can find them on here (IRC) and ask them. |
| 16:03.45 | Jebus905 | I'll be patient for now. :) |
| 16:03.53 | Jebus905 | I may start asking after 3 week. |
| 16:04.00 | Stanzilla | http://www.petitiononline.com/WoWL2008/ |
| 16:04.02 | ckknight | Kaelten's the man who handles that, his mom's in town, though, so they went touristing |
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| 16:05.13 | Chaud | why would they make wow for linux |
| 16:05.33 | Jebus905 | Do many people use CooldownTimers2? I just posted my addon to it that tracks tradeskill cooldowns that have extremely long cooldowns. Not sure if anyone else would find this useful or not, but I always found it annoying that CooldownTimers2 never had this feature. |
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| 16:06.54 | MoonWitch | suffice to say that a damn 34 spriest can't kill morladim solo without a lot of luck |
| 16:11.50 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r64040 10Recount2/ (GUI_List.lua GUI_Table.lua Widgets.lua): |
| 16:11.50 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 16:11.50 | CIA-9 | -Minor vertical scrollbar fix |
| 16:11.50 | CIA-9 | -Fixes usage of horizontal scrollbars in Table Frame to appropriately hide/show now and update |
| 16:18.03 | Thrae | For US citizens, please observe that today marks the beginning of Daylight Savings adjustment (+1 hour). Thank you. |
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| 16:19.24 | nevcairiel | summer time already? |
| 16:19.27 | CIA-9 | 03ckknight * r64041 10LibDogTag-3.0/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:19.27 | CIA-9 | LibDogTag-3.0 - add some more base tags |
| 16:19.27 | CIA-9 | - some minimal touchups |
| 16:19.40 | ckknight | nevcairiel: spring |
| 16:19.46 | Chaud | I wish it was summer |
| 16:19.47 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: not for us :P |
| 16:19.56 | Chaud | sunny 39 degrees here =\ |
| 16:20.11 | nevcairiel | ckknight: there is only normal time and summer time, no special spring time =P |
| 16:20.28 | Chaud | clocks change in the spring and fall |
| 16:21.05 | Chaud | and cause an lol once in a while when someone is late or early on time change day =) |
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| 16:27.51 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r64043 10BetterQuestTracker/modules/ (playernotify.lua tooltips.lua): BetterQuestTracker: :Hook calls the hook automatically, huh? |
| 16:27.51 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r64042 10LibQuixote-2.0/LibQuixote-2.0.lua: LibQuixote-2.0: Change some logic to make sure that the Quixote_Leaderboard_Update callback doesn't fire when the quest is first added. |
| 16:30.13 | p3lim | :) |
| 16:30.22 | p3lim | yay bloody smilies are gone |
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| 16:36.13 | Gnarfoz | DIE ARCHIMONDE, DIE DIE DIE |
| 16:36.19 | Gnarfoz | I hates him >_< |
| 16:36.30 | Chaud | But he loves you |
| 16:36.30 | Ellipsis | I don't think he's too fond of you either |
| 16:36.49 | Chaud | Don't you want to fly with him |
| 16:39.52 | Saroz | archimonde sucks |
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| 16:42.10 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r64044 10Recount2/GUI_Table.lua: |
| 16:42.10 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 16:42.10 | CIA-9 | -Forgot to add columns to new rows created |
| 16:46.06 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r64045 10StatBlocks_HealerStats/StatBlocks_HealerStats.lua: StatBlocks_HealerStats: optimize calculation function |
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| 16:49.11 | Chaud | how can I make smartsvn not make random .svn folders in things that I downloaded |
| 16:49.33 | Fisker- | "random .svn folders" |
| 16:49.36 | Fisker- | they're not random |
| 16:49.47 | Funkeh` | some have the option of _svn if that's what you mean |
| 16:49.48 | Fisker- | they're information for the svn client |
| 16:50.25 | Cryect | thats a good /facepalm moment |
| 16:50.32 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 16:50.57 | Funkeh` | omg christel no way |
| 16:50.57 | Fisker- | you'll want to use exporting instead of checkout if you want to get rid of the .svn folders |
| 16:51.03 | Fisker- | but you'll have to export them for each version |
| 16:51.08 | Fisker- | no version checking or whatever |
| 16:51.53 | Cryect | Funkeh`, you happier with the new textures? http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5407/recount2lunano4.jpg |
| 16:52.12 | Funkeh` | Cryect, HELL YES |
| 16:52.20 | Fisker- | do not want |
| 16:52.20 | Cryect | hehe |
| 16:53.17 | Cryect | for reference Fisker whats your ideal GUI textures? |
| 16:53.57 | Ellipsis | less shiny imo |
| 16:54.02 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r64046 10BetterQuestTracker/config.lua: BetterQuestTracker: Make the config look slightly nicer. |
| 16:54.09 | Cryect | if you want them less shiny you can turn off highlighting |
| 16:54.13 | Cryect | I have highlighting and color seperate |
| 16:54.46 | Ellipsis | o.O; |
| 16:54.52 | Cryect | though that black one would be pitch black since it has color set to 0's and highlighting to 100% |
| 16:55.05 | Cryect | I prolly should set it up for color highlighting actually |
| 16:55.18 | Ellipsis | I thought this was a damage meter addon |
| 16:55.32 | Cryect | Yeah and people wanted more UI customizations |
| 16:55.40 | Cryect | so I've been spending time building those foundations as well |
| 16:55.48 | Ellipsis | huh. users are strange sometimes. |
| 16:55.55 | Chaud | Export worked fine, <3 |
| 16:56.15 | Cryect | and yes Luna Element is shiny though |
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| 17:09.17 | ramoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.07 | p3lim | doesnt |
| 17:10.33 | Chaud | http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html |
| 17:10.36 | Chaud | Built-in speakers, combined optical digital audio input/audio line in, combined optical digital audio output/headphone out |
| 17:10.54 | ramoz | p3lim: liar! |
| 17:11.12 | ramoz | Chaud: <3 |
| 17:11.13 | Ellipsis | stab him with sharp pointy things! |
| 17:11.21 | Ellipsis | he must not get away with lying to us |
| 17:11.24 | Chaud | The early ones didn't though, I think |
| 17:11.36 | ramoz | mm |
| 17:11.37 | ramoz | well |
| 17:11.55 | ramoz | with the new XBMC for mac it will be new mediacenteR! |
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| 17:12.54 | Chaud | The biggest TV in my house is 27in, so my monitor is my media center =p |
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| 17:14.13 | Fisker- | Cryect windows classic |
| 17:14.14 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 17:14.30 | Chompers | Fisker- |
| 17:14.34 | Fisker- | Chompers |
| 17:14.36 | Chompers | i love you. |
| 17:14.50 | Fisker- | i love you too |
| 17:14.52 | Fisker- | but how far are you? |
| 17:15.07 | Chompers | 3AU away |
| 17:15.21 | Fisker- | fuck you |
| 17:15.23 | Fisker- | i hate you |
| 17:16.00 | Chompers | :< |
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| 17:16.38 | Chompers | did you hear about the kitty death camps in china? |
| 17:16.56 | Chaud | Gotta clean up for olympics |
| 17:17.06 | Ellipsis | why don't they all just masturbate more? |
| 17:17.15 | Ellipsis | same effect, but way more fun |
| 17:17.38 | Chaud | They don't enjoy when the government is watching? |
| 17:18.29 | Chompers | i bet you some do |
| 17:18.59 | Ellipsis | there's gotta be a good number of people there who are into that |
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| 17:22.02 | Chompers | killed zul'jin today |
| 17:22.04 | Chompers | awesome fight |
| 17:22.12 | Chaud | Welcome to 2.3? |
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| 17:23.24 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r64047 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua: WitchHunt: add witchhunt to the blizzard addon options. |
| 17:27.11 | Gibbonz | having not used a raid mod before, what does oRA2 actually do? |
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| 17:27.32 | Ellipsis | mysterious, magical things |
| 17:27.42 | Chompers | tank lists/cooldowns/checks |
| 17:28.26 | Nandini | when you're not the raid leader or assistant, you don't see much of its functionality |
| 17:29.00 | CIA-9 | 03ammo * r64048 10SmoothDurability/SmoothDurability.lua: SmoothDurability: can be found in blizzard interface options panel for config in 2.4 |
| 17:29.06 | ValleG | I have no idea anymore. I just remember the MT frames and item, durability and zone checks |
| 17:30.16 | ValleG | brb |
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| 17:30.47 | CIA-9 | 03ammo * r64049 10FishermansFriend/FishermansFriend.lua: FishermansFriend: config in 2.4 via interface addons panel |
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| 17:32.57 | Arrowmaster | why does FishermansFriend have a libs.xml instead of embeds.xml |
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| 17:34.58 | Xinhuan | because the author doesn't want the zip script to replace it with an empty one when WAU downloads the disembedded zip |
| 17:34.59 | Ellipsis | ...why? o.O |
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| 17:35.35 | Xinhuan | he believes that ace3 libs, no matter how small they are, should be embedded because ace3 is designed to be embedded, not disembedded |
| 17:35.35 | Ellipsis | yes, let's take choice away from the users |
| 17:36.08 | [Ammo] | users schusers |
| 17:36.12 | Xinhuan | i mean, the ace3 gui libs (alone with widgets) is only 120 kb, multiplied in 10 addons is 1.2 mb of text that needs to be parsed and executed as a chunk |
| 17:37.31 | Arrowmaster | but it still uses externals so wont the no-ext zip still not have the libs |
| 17:37.58 | [Ammo] | indeed |
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| 17:38.15 | Arrowmaster | so that makes no sense |
| 17:38.21 | Thrae | I hope no one modifies TinyTip to support "WAU Disembeded"...because TinyTip's embedded modules are designed not even to load their code if the modules are external to the addon. So there's no reason not to do it. But I just reminded myself that the localizations are still loaded. Damn. I need to fix that. |
| 17:38.24 | Ellipsis | it makes less than no sense |
| 17:38.32 | Ellipsis | it is a black hole of senselessness |
| 17:39.08 | cladhaire | the word disembedded should be removed from the world |
| 17:39.15 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: huh? |
| 17:39.16 | Ellipsis | as should the word embedded |
| 17:39.22 | cladhaire | Ellipsis: no |
| 17:39.28 | Ellipsis | well ok, the word is useful |
| 17:39.31 | cladhaire | and anyone who dares speak or type it should be shredded by a rotating razor blade. |
| 17:39.35 | Ellipsis | but the concept in regards to addon libs, yes |
| 17:39.39 | cladhaire | no |
| 17:39.51 | cladhaire | I'm responsible for embedded libraries |
| 17:39.53 | cladhaire | and they still make sense |
| 17:39.54 | zapl | Cryect: http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4453/xpskinqf1.png would be my prefered skin :) |
| 17:40.04 | cladhaire | the fucking problem is people making embedded libraries when they should be full scale addons with dependencies |
| 17:40.19 | cladhaire | the problem isn't embedding.. its the shit that gets embedded |
| 17:40.36 | Ellipsis | I happen to disagree. embedded libs cause more user issues than they fix, and encourage authors to overuse and over-embed libs that they really don't need, but include "just in case" |
| 17:40.57 | Ellipsis | plus the embedded libs system destroys all hope of differentiating between required and optional libraries |
| 17:40.58 | cladhaire | again, you're listing aproblem that has nothing to do with embedded libraries |
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| 17:41.04 | cladhaire | and have to do with the shit people do with them |
| 17:41.15 | Ellipsis | the system makes it easy for people to abuse it |
| 17:41.20 | Ellipsis | and provides no gain |
| 17:41.22 | cladhaire | fair enough |
| 17:41.24 | cladhaire | wait no |
| 17:41.26 | cladhaire | that's not true at all |
| 17:41.33 | Chaud | You can have animated favicons wtf |
| 17:41.34 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: TinyTip v0.2 separates out its functionality into tiny modules which are all externals on the SVNs. If you download/copy the modules outside of TinyTip, they work on their own, even if TinyTip doesn't exist. |
| 17:41.38 | cladhaire | step outside of your little WAU world for two seconds |
| 17:41.44 | cladhaire | and download your addons at curse or wowi |
| 17:41.44 | Ellipsis | little WAU world? |
| 17:41.46 | cladhaire | yes |
| 17:41.48 | Arrowmaster | Ellipsis is just talking about wowace's X-Embeds now, and not embeds in general |
| 17:41.53 | Ellipsis | no, I'm not |
| 17:41.58 | Ellipsis | I'm talking about "everything's an optdep" |
| 17:42.01 | Chaud | people still use curse? |
| 17:42.06 | Thrae | cladhaire: Are you a Curse staff member? |
| 17:42.11 | cladhaire | Thrae: fuck no |
| 17:42.14 | Ellipsis | I'm talking about "hey I might need this lib once in a million times, so let's include it in my addon's download" |
| 17:42.19 | Thrae | I need one to delete my addons on Curse. |
| 17:42.29 | cladhaire | Ellipsis: I'm sorry, but you're showing an extremely narrow perspective here without understand the real motivation behind embedded libraries. |
| 17:42.39 | cladhaire | I'm able to speak to that, simply because I am the reason they exist |
| 17:42.42 | Ellipsis | I know the motivation was to make it easy for users to download from standard release sites |
| 17:42.49 | cladhaire | no that wasn' it |
| 17:42.52 | Ellipsis | but the sites should have been fixed to make it easier to locate dependencies |
| 17:42.56 | cladhaire | oh jesus |
| 17:43.00 | cladhaire | *shruG* |
| 17:43.03 | cladhaire | nevermind then |
| 17:43.12 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: yeah thats how i have mine right now since you didnt have 'TinyTip' loading the StandAloneConfig's |
| 17:43.34 | Ellipsis | cladhaire: my #1 complaint about the system, aside from the authors who abuse it, is the loss of distinction between required and optional |
| 17:43.39 | cladhaire | i thought we might be engaging in conversation, but if you just want to bitch then that's fine |
| 17:43.53 | Ellipsis | this is a conversation - I'm asking for your response to that issue |
| 17:43.53 | cladhaire | Ellipsis: again, that is a problem of the way the system is used. |
| 17:43.59 | cladhaire | and yes, its unfortunate |
| 17:44.18 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: That's the way it's suppose to work. If you have the modules non-standalone, then you should be using the options GUI. |
| 17:44.19 | cladhaire | so here's the problem with un-embedded libraries |
| 17:44.35 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: so whats the difference now between using just TinyTip and TinyTip+TinyTipBasic+TinyTipPossitioning |
| 17:44.54 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: You mean TinyTipBasic+TinyTipPositioning+TinyTipTargets? |
| 17:44.56 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: you have options working in 'TinyTip' working now? |
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| 17:45.28 | cladhaire | 1.) Take an author like ckknight, and cross it with someone who the dependencies (as addons) with their addon. So you download Addon A, and it unzips AddonA and LibraryA. Then download AddonB, which overwrites LibraryA. The user has no idea which is the latest version. As a result, AddonA breaks. |
| 17:45.37 | cladhaire | that means instead of distributing your addons as simple packages that work |
| 17:45.46 | cladhaire | you have to direct the user to four different places to get the dependencies |
| 17:45.47 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: No, I hope to work on that today unless people keep bugging me about working on it ;) |
| 17:45.57 | Ellipsis | cladhaire: and I see nothing wrong with that |
| 17:46.05 | cladhaire | you're not an author that had to deal with that |
| 17:46.08 | cladhaire | we were |
| 17:46.08 | cladhaire | and we are |
| 17:46.10 | Thrae | With 2.4 shortly away, TinyTipOptions will be recoded...again |
| 17:46.12 | cladhaire | there was a good reason for ti |
| 17:46.24 | Ellipsis | cladhaire: I understand that it was difficult and I respect those who dealt with the user complaints |
| 17:46.26 | cladhaire | and when used correctly, it simlifies things |
| 17:46.37 | Ellipsis | personally, as an author, I refuse to use or support embedded lib configurations |
| 17:46.38 | cladhaire | when something like Ace2 becomes embedded |
| 17:46.40 | cladhaire | its a fucking tragedy |
| 17:46.42 | Chaud | tell the users l2update properly? |
| 17:46.53 | cladhaire | Chaud: no. |
| 17:47.00 | cladhaire | step out of your WAU world |
| 17:47.02 | [Ammo] | it should never be a user issue |
| 17:47.04 | cladhaire | cause its shit in it's own right |
| 17:47.13 | cladhaire | I happen to take pride in my work, and prefer to provide working addons to my users |
| 17:47.17 | Ellipsis | IMO, if users are too dumb to install their addons' dependencies, they're too dumb to use their addons |
| 17:47.19 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: ok but whats wrong with using TinyTip+TinyTipBasic+TinyTipPossitioning like i am right now? |
| 17:47.21 | cladhaire | without having to make them bear the brunt of the problem |
| 17:47.29 | cladhaire | Ellipsis: well, that's all well and good.. but not realistic. |
| 17:47.34 | Ellipsis | *shrug* |
| 17:47.36 | cladhaire | Ace2 shouldn't have been embedded |
| 17:47.43 | Chaud | If I have to download something from curse, I'm not going to blindly copy over stuff that is new with old versions =\ |
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| 17:47.53 | cladhaire | half of these libraries shouldn't have been embedded |
| 17:47.55 | cladhaire | especially withotu a reasonable versioning scheme |
| 17:48.04 | Ellipsis | I'm willing to take the time to find and download the stuff that makes my software work, because I want the software to work. |
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| 17:48.15 | Ellipsis | users who want a one-click solution should either use the default UI, or go download a compilation |
| 17:48.48 | cladhaire | yeah, that's not realistic at all |
| 17:48.49 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 17:48.57 | cladhaire | nor should it be |
| 17:49.04 | kergoth | so because of the occasional, relatively rare problems with not knowing which libs are required, you'll throw out the ease of use for tons of users for whom it works fine today |
| 17:49.06 | kergoth | yeah, that makes a lot of sense |
| 17:49.11 | Ellipsis | or, yes, install an automated updater (although I personally don't like the way they work with wowace in particular, if done right they could be good for the lazy users out there) |
| 17:49.18 | cladhaire | no, this is not a solutino |
| 17:49.19 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Nothing, the modules work basically the same internal or external as long as TinyTip is enabled, except external they are LoD (this will be useful for future modules). |
| 17:49.33 | Ellipsis | kergoth: relatively rare? |
| 17:49.52 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: k good, just making sure that it atleast works that way |
| 17:49.53 | Ellipsis | in theory that's true, but in practice authors screw up their embeds more often than not |
| 17:50.21 | Ellipsis | and - one of the major flaws of the system imo - one author screwing up their embeds can potentially trash ALL the addons which use that lib |
| 17:50.24 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: I'm debating whether or not to let people enable and disable modules since they can be broken off and disabled as addons. |
| 17:50.26 | Arrowmaster | Ellipsis: i blame that on lack of proper documentation |
| 17:50.28 | kergoth | on wowace perhaps. i almost never see a problem with the release zips on wowi. if the addon developer cant be bothered to releasify their stuff, thats their problem |
| 17:50.36 | cladhaire | amen |
| 17:51.45 | Ellipsis | kergoth: while that may be the case, those zips suffer even more from the "let's embed LibKitchenSink-1.0" type |
| 17:52.08 | Ellipsis | because they often don't operate under the assumption that the user can go get the lib if they want its functionality |
| 17:52.20 | Ellipsis | since it's not as easy to do so on wowi as it is on wowace |
| 17:53.22 | Arrowmaster | most inexperienced authors fail at optional libs and getting them to work even if loaded after the addon |
| 17:53.39 | Ellipsis | they shouldn't have to handle that case |
| 17:53.52 | Ellipsis | OptDeping the lib would ensure that...oh wait, not with embeds! |
| 17:54.12 | kergoth | well, forgive me if i'd rather a large portion of the userbase be able to install things without problems, and have a couple extra libs loaded, taking up a little extra resources |
| 17:54.13 | cladhaire | honestly, I have no idea what you're arguing now. |
| 17:54.19 | Arrowmaster | yeah me neither |
| 17:54.29 | Arrowmaster | Ellipsis is off in her own little world right now |
| 17:54.32 | Ellipsis | load order can't be properly enforced with embedded libs |
| 17:54.37 | kergoth | you're arguing a little resource usage means you should cause extra work for the vast majority of the userbase? |
| 17:54.37 | kergoth | please |
| 17:54.57 | Ellipsis | I'm arguing that the userbase should not have been trained to be so lazy |
| 17:55.04 | Ellipsis | nothing you can do about it now I'm sure |
| 17:55.05 | kergoth | users are lazy |
| 17:55.05 | kergoth | period |
| 17:55.07 | kergoth | training or otherwise |
| 17:55.12 | cladhaire | they haven't been trained to be lazy |
| 17:55.15 | cladhaire | we're just good developers |
| 17:55.15 | Chaud | I try not to be lazy =( |
| 17:55.22 | kergoth | every user is lazy and will always be lazy |
| 17:55.26 | kergoth | as are most developers |
| 17:55.31 | kergoth | thinking otherwise is just self deception |
| 17:55.37 | kergoth | come back to reality |
| 17:55.39 | Ellipsis | I said "so lazy" |
| 17:55.47 | Arrowmaster | before embeded libs, dependences were a bitch and lots of users would refuse to use an addon if it had dependencies |
| 17:55.48 | Ellipsis | of course people are inherently lazy, but only as lazy as they're allowed to be |
| 17:56.06 | Shadowed | whatever you guys are arguing |
| 17:56.08 | Shadowed | clad is probably right |
| 17:56.14 | Arrowmaster | he is |
| 17:56.19 | Chompers | "as lazy as they're allowed to be" |
| 17:56.19 | Ellipsis | ...or we can just agree to disagree |
| 17:56.21 | Chompers | nice! |
| 17:56.27 | kergoth | indeed. dependencies were seen as bad, so everybody reinvented the wheel. little code reuse |
| 17:56.28 | cladhaire | Ace2 never should have been embedded |
| 17:56.34 | cladhaire | but we had no choice, because of the wayit was developed |
| 17:56.37 | Ellipsis | Arrowmaster: I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to make that choice |
| 17:56.37 | kergoth | so you'd rather have 50 copies of the same code than a couple extra libs loaded |
| 17:56.46 | cladhaire | it was too large, everythign was dependent on everything else, adn everyone needed the entire thing |
| 17:56.49 | kergoth | they can make the same choice now |
| 17:56.53 | kergoth | based on what libraries it embeds |
| 17:57.04 | cladhaire | take a bad precedent and blow it up into 100 different libs |
| 17:57.06 | cladhaire | there's your problem. |
| 17:57.22 | Ellipsis | that too |
| 17:57.23 | Arrowmaster | cladhaire: agreed, plus lib upgrade issues have always kept poping up in ace2 |
| 17:57.36 | Shadowed | Let us not forget the whole upgrade path breaking thing! |
| 17:57.57 | Arrowmaster | lib upgrading is currently broken in ace2 anyway |
| 17:58.12 | Arrowmaster | theres something with aceoo/aceevent/acecomm |
| 17:58.14 | cladhaire | I would a.) hunt down anyone who tried to use dongle "disembedded".. and b.) take full responsibilities for any upgrade path issues. |
| 17:58.16 | cladhaire | I've done both |
| 17:58.39 | Ellipsis | I disembedded Dongle and LibStub in my own UI |
| 17:58.51 | Ellipsis | feel free to inflict whatever violence you feel is necessary |
| 17:58.57 | Arrowmaster | the only major issue i have with embedded libs is that users are stupid and report errors to the wrong devs |
| 17:59.00 | cladhaire | grats |
| 17:59.03 | cladhaire | thats retarded |
| 17:59.11 | Chompers | what does dongle do exactly? |
| 17:59.12 | cladhaire | considering there are three different versions of dongle |
| 17:59.14 | Ellipsis | every bit of load time counts, sorry :) |
| 17:59.40 | cladhaire | sounds like your problem then *shrug* |
| 17:59.44 | Ellipsis | at the time I only had 2 addons using it, and they worked fine with the single copy, so it wasn't a problem for me |
| 18:00.00 | Ellipsis | of course, if something had gone wrong I would have fixed it myself rather than whining to the devs |
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| 18:00.23 | cladhaire | Good, then you can write scripts to do your bastardization of other embedded libraries |
| 18:00.31 | Ellipsis | I can and do |
| 18:00.38 | cladhaire | we should not have to cater to 0.01% of the addon community |
| 18:00.47 | Ellipsis | I agree |
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| 18:01.02 | Ellipsis | you also shouldn't have to cater to the 50% who don't understand that software depends on other software and they just have to deal with that fact |
| 18:01.15 | Ellipsis | but that's just my opinion |
| 18:01.22 | cladhaire | and I disagree |
| 18:01.24 | cladhaire | I cater to my users |
| 18:01.25 | Ellipsis | fair enough |
| 18:01.31 | cladhaire | if someone wants to get something else out of it, that's up to them to figure out |
| 18:01.37 | Thrae | To change the subject, can you exit out of XML early using Lua, or is the XML parsed before the Lua? |
| 18:01.57 | cladhaire | Thrae: XML is fully parsed |
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| 18:02.27 | Thrae | cladhaire: So <Script/> commands are executed immediatly, and cannot be blocked by Lua in any way? |
| 18:02.31 | cladhaire | i'm almost out of white yarn |
| 18:02.55 | cladhaire | Thrae: how would you propose "stopping" it? |
| 18:03.00 | cladhaire | each script is its own chunk |
| 18:03.10 | cladhaire | and without os.exit() can you'd affect any other chunks |
| 18:04.23 | cladhaire | does anyone have any Sirdar supersoft aran toddler white yarn? |
| 18:04.30 | Thrae | cladhaire: I'm thinking about <Script file/>, of course. Trying to figure out an easier way of blocking multiple files from loading if X is true. |
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| 18:04.45 | cladhaire | Thrae: can't be done, for the reason I just said |
| 18:05.04 | Thrae | Damn. |
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| 18:05.08 | cladhaire | unless an error stops the rest of the XML file from being executed, but I don't anticipate that is the case |
| 18:05.18 | cladhaire | but an error would be your only chance |
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| 18:05.45 | Arrowmaster | i think its broken |
| 18:05.54 | Gibbonz | had to turn off the blizz tracker as my bartender3 layout covers it ;p |
| 18:05.56 | Xinhuan | Chompers |
| 18:05.57 | Xinhuan | [3/10 01:59:09] <Chompers> what does dongle do exactly? |
| 18:05.59 | Kemayo | It certainly didn't say anything about the thtree commits I just made. |
| 18:06.13 | Xinhuan | Dongle is like Ace3, except it is all-in-1-file instead of 15 small libs |
| 18:06.13 | Thrae | cladhaire: Could I put if x then DoSomethingIllegal() end at the top and stop the rest of <Script file=> commands? |
| 18:06.24 | Arrowmaster | Kemayo: yeah the one in #wowace-cia did though |
| 18:06.34 | cladhaire | Xinhuan: the scope of dongle is hella smaller |
| 18:06.39 | Xinhuan | oh definitely |
| 18:06.40 | cladhaire | to say the least |
| 18:06.42 | Chompers | sounds pretty inefficent if its loaded multiple times |
| 18:06.45 | Xinhuan | but it brings the point across |
| 18:06.47 | Chompers | but if its tiny... |
| 18:06.48 | cladhaire | its meant to provide only what every addon author needs, with no frills |
| 18:06.56 | cladhaire | Thrae: what "illegal" thing can you do? |
| 18:07.07 | cladhaire | all you could do is throw an error, and that's easy enough to test |
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| 18:07.35 | Xinhuan | thrae, "throwing an error" means something as trivial as abc = 1 + "a" |
| 18:07.46 | Arrowmaster | Kemayo: did you add anything to your optionstable for the fubarplugin? |
| 18:07.53 | cladhaire | or, error() |
| 18:08.02 | Thrae | Well I can't return from XML I guess, so I'll have to use error()... |
| 18:08.10 | Xinhuan | that causes a lua error and stops the rest of the chunk from loading, but other listed files in the toc continue to load |
| 18:08.18 | cladhaire | he's not talking about toc |
| 18:08.21 | Kemayo | Arrowmaster: Not yet, no. I haven't really *finished* making it work. |
| 18:08.22 | Thrae | Xinhuan: I'm talking about XML |
| 18:08.23 | cladhaire | he's talking about <Script> blocks in XMl |
| 18:08.49 | Arrowmaster | Kemayo: ok so you wont be able to move it between right-left-center |
| 18:08.52 | Xinhuan | if a <script> block fails to complete loading due to an error, i'm nto entirely sure if the rest of the XML file continues to load |
| 18:08.59 | Thrae | Xinhuan: I'm trying to think of a way to stop <Script file="foo.lua"/> load calls. |
| 18:09.01 | Kemayo | Arrowmaster: That's fine for now. |
| 18:09.22 | cladhaire | Xinhuan: aye, thats the questino |
| 18:09.27 | Kemayo | Arrowmaster: If I do decide to write bits of the standard FuBarPlugin options for it, would you like me to pass them on to you? |
| 18:09.34 | cladhaire | I was just trying to expfress that the test is easy, and if it doesn't worj.. it can't be done. |
| 18:09.39 | Xinhuan | i don't think that's possible |
| 18:09.45 | Arrowmaster | Kemayo: once i figure out how i want to do it ill probably make it put config stuff for ace3 optiontables in .plugins |
| 18:10.01 | Arrowmaster | Kemayo: sure |
| 18:10.14 | Gibbonz | there a mod to add recommended levels to the quests in your log? I think its a feature my bro gets from ct_core but i'd rather find something ace-based |
| 18:10.35 | Arrowmaster | Gibbonz: theres tons of mods that do that |
| 18:11.00 | Thrae | Gibbonz: Quelevel on http://git.tekkub.net |
| 18:11.01 | Gnarfoz | DIE ARCHIMONDE, DIE DIE DIE <-- I can only repeat myself |
| 18:11.08 | Thrae | Gibbonz: It's about 15 lines of code. |
| 18:11.19 | cladhaire | more importantly |
| 18:11.21 | cladhaire | it does it in the correct way |
| 18:11.32 | Thrae | Right. |
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| 18:11.52 | Xinhuan | thrae, does it modify the quest tracking thingo under the minimap as well? |
| 18:12.00 | dylanm | Xinhuan: Yes. |
| 18:12.03 | Thrae | Xinhuan: QuestWatch? Yes. |
| 18:12.05 | dylanm | Nothing else though. |
| 18:12.09 | Xinhuan | yeah questwatch, that's it |
| 18:12.17 | Arrowmaster | Gibbonz: http://git.tekkub.net/Quelevel/snapshot/Quelevel-master.zip for a direct link to the one theyre talking about |
| 18:13.00 | Thrae | But it's not Ace2 so that means it's not efficient! It would be at -15MB if it used AceAddon to create its object tables. |
| 18:14.27 | Xinhuan | tekkub, why did MBB hook the secure runchild? |
| 18:14.39 | Funkeh` | Thrae, you know the good thing about ace2, when it loads, it doesn't spam your chatbox! *cough* |
| 18:14.49 | Gngsk | Ellipsis, where's the options for the spark end up? |
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| 18:15.41 | MageRooster | I believe there are micromods that JUST add quest levels to the dialog, but I use BEQL. |
| 18:15.56 | Stanzilla | try Quelevel by Tekkub |
| 18:15.58 | Ellipsis | Gngsk: they haven't moved, afaik |
| 18:16.00 | Stanzilla | it just does that |
| 18:16.14 | Thrae | Funkeh`: Ace3 does that? By the way, I was going to ask if you're doing your "StatBlock" dev. with JoshBork1's help from his LegoBlocks. |
| 18:16.19 | Gngsk | Ellipsis, all I can find is the global color option and the option to enable/disable it in the modules section |
| 18:16.29 | Ellipsis | probably under player -> other (I didn't mess with that bit of the code so I don't know exactly) |
| 18:16.35 | Funkeh` | Thrae, I was refering to the tinytip spam ;p |
| 18:16.40 | Gngsk | bah, I found it |
| 18:16.50 | Thrae | Funkeh`: Betas are allowed spam, bah. |
| 18:16.52 | dylanm | Thrae: Yeah Thrae he was burning you, dog. |
| 18:16.56 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 18:16.57 | Gngsk | ok, you think that right under enable power spark would be the best place to add another option for it? |
| 18:17.16 | Ellipsis | erm...what option? |
| 18:17.18 | Funkeh` | Thrae, LegoBlock si too big for it imo, it's not needed, SB is actually pretty basic |
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| 18:17.34 | Gngsk | Ellipsis, as a rogue I don't want to see it unless I'm stealthed |
| 18:17.52 | Ellipsis | ah...hm |
| 18:17.55 | Ellipsis | weirdo :P |
| 18:18.03 | Gngsk | it's only really useful in that situation |
| 18:18.06 | Ellipsis | but yeah, I guess that would be the best place |
| 18:18.12 | Gngsk | to line up an opener right before it ticks |
| 18:18.28 | Thrae | Funkeh`: You made JoshBorke so depressed his route moved. |
| 18:18.58 | Funkeh` | It's nothing personal :/ I genuinly don't think it would help |
| 18:20.38 | Funkeh` | that's what I call turbulance |
| 18:20.38 | Gngsk | how peculiar |
| 18:20.38 | Nandini | good riddance |
| 18:20.38 | Funkeh` | hey, Im europe |
| 18:20.38 | Funkeh` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:20.44 | Chaud | you waved away half the channel =( |
| 18:21.20 | Ellipsis | I hate to say it Funkeh`, but...an entire continent? you might wanna lose some weight |
| 18:21.20 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 18:21.40 | Ellipsis | thoigh I suppose the people who live on you might not feel the same way |
| 18:21.40 | Lukian | "RatingBuster\libs\StatLogic-1.0\StatLogic-1.0.lua:44: Cannot find a library instance of Babble-Spell-2.2" |
| 18:22.41 | Snago | [19:16:26] <Xinhuan> tekkub, why did MBB hook the secure runchild? <-- Sounds like the start of a joke to me... But how should it end? |
| 18:23.00 | Ellipsis | to get to the other side? |
| 18:24.05 | Cryect | damn Funkeh`! |
| 18:24.06 | Snago | Ellipsis: That was the best I could think of too :\ |
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| 18:31.30 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r64058 10StatBlocks_HealerStats/StatBlocks_HealerStats.lua: StatBlocks_HealerStats: fix showing stats on login |
| 18:32.04 | Nandini | hmm now i can't connect to any of the realms hosted in boston |
| 18:32.06 | Gibbonz | hmm couldnt find the one you mentioned, Stanzilla |
| 18:32.12 | Nandini | freenode broke wow! |
| 18:32.25 | Ellipsis | Nandini broke the internet! |
| 18:33.08 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r64059 10StatBlocks_HealerStats/StatBlocks_HealerStats.lua: StatBlocks_HealerStats: ...and remove more whitespace |
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| 18:35.35 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r64060 10StatBlocks_CasterStats/StatBlocks_CasterStats.lua: StatBlocks_CasterStats: fix showing stats on login |
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| 18:36.04 | sb_ | *hides* |
| 18:36.41 | Funkeh` | sb_, you need a better editor or something |
| 18:36.47 | Funkeh` | or turn whitespace showing on it |
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| 18:37.33 | sb_ | yup |
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| 18:43.23 | JoshBorke | glad to see i haven't missed anything |
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| 18:52.05 | Fisker- | HOLY MOTHER OF SHIT |
| 18:52.16 | Ellipsis | wasn't me |
| 18:52.34 | Fisker- | IE just bugged out |
| 18:52.35 | Fisker- | :D |
| 18:52.37 | Fisker- | http://i29.tinypic.com/2luw1av.jpg |
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| 18:52.58 | sb_ | haha, trojaned! |
| 18:53.12 | Fisker- | no |
| 18:54.08 | Ellipsis | internet: you're doing it wrong. |
| 18:54.42 | Thrae | I hate it when the Internet misbehaves. |
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| 18:57.30 | Bruners | are there any know grid modules that may cause wow to freeze randomly? |
| 18:58.08 | Gngsk | Ellipsis, so I'm thinking a dropdown below that specifies always, stealth only, in case someone else things of adding something later |
| 18:58.16 | Matrix110 | Bruners testing the way to go |
| 18:58.24 | Matrix110 | if you need a raid just goto AV:P |
| 18:59.05 | Bruners | Matrix110: i am testing, but cant find out what it is :P |
| 18:59.14 | Ellipsis | Gngsk: you could also include the conditions that are already hard-coded in |
| 18:59.26 | Ellipsis | like only with target |
| 18:59.27 | Matrix110 | are you sure it is a grid module(no freeze without grid) ? |
| 18:59.59 | Gngsk | Ellipsis, yah but I dunno if some rogues would wonder where it went when they aren't stealthed, so I guess an option is needed |
| 19:00.01 | Bruners | it could be grid itselfe |
| 19:00.04 | NeoTron | Fisker-: keylogger! |
| 19:00.11 | Gngsk | kitties too prolly |
| 19:00.19 | Bruners | or even clique |
| 19:00.42 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r64061 10aX_RaidStatus/ (5 files): |
| 19:00.42 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus: (0.61 Beta) |
| 19:00.42 | CIA-9 | - Fix: Embeds.xml problem with Babble-Class. |
| 19:00.42 | CIA-9 | - Fix: deDE localization errors (still needs to be translated) |
| 19:00.42 | CIA-9 | - Removed: Some old code. |
| 19:03.54 | CIA-9 | 03ascalia * r64062 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ARLLocals-enUS.lua: |
| 19:03.54 | CIA-9 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 19:03.54 | CIA-9 | - fixed Stormshroud Shoulders |
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| 19:05.08 | Ellipsis | Gngsk: I meant that those conditions could be made optional, if you wanted to make yours feel a bit less lonely in the config menu |
| 19:05.17 | Gngsk | ooh, I see |
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| 19:05.25 | Ellipsis | as long as the default behavior remains the same as it is now, you're welcome to do that |
| 19:05.35 | Gngsk | k |
| 19:05.58 | Ellipsis | of course I'm no rogue, so I don't know how useful it would be |
| 19:07.38 | CIA-9 | 03sylvanaar 072.4 * r64063 10Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: Manually load Prat_FuBar when FuBar isn't loaded so the minimap icon shows up |
| 19:08.31 | Bruners | Matrix110: think i found the sinner, GridStatusHealPriority |
| 19:08.33 | CIA-9 | 03starinnia * r64064 10StatBlocks_Ammo/ (Locales/enUS.lua StatBlocks_Ammo.lua): StatBlocks_Ammo: Add soul shard tracking |
| 19:08.40 | Matrix110 | :) |
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| 19:09.27 | RaydenUni | why doesn't anyone ever run Dire Maul? |
| 19:09.38 | Matrix110 | because its a old instance? |
| 19:09.43 | Starinnia | I did last night as I powerleveled my cooking... |
| 19:09.57 | Matrix110 | when you can run Dire Maul you can aswell goto Outlands:P |
| 19:10.31 | Ellipsis | I did dire maul to get my doomguard summon spell |
| 19:10.40 | Ellipsis | I just didn't bother bringing a group |
| 19:10.58 | sylvanaar | oh man wtf |
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| 19:11.22 | sylvanaar | what is this chat filter stuff they added |
| 19:12.03 | Chaud | isn't all of that in live? |
| 19:12.09 | sylvanaar | no |
| 19:12.19 | Chaud | guess it is some addon that I have then |
| 19:12.30 | Chaud | All of those options are on the right click of each tab =\ |
| 19:12.46 | sylvanaar | what? |
| 19:13.15 | RaydenUni | i've never done dire maul |
| 19:13.16 | RaydenUni | :( |
| 19:13.19 | sylvanaar | hm, maybe they just recoded it |
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| 19:13.46 | Chaud | IDK if it is an addon, last time I used default UI was like level 10 and a year or so ago |
| 19:15.47 | RaydenUni | http://www.ninjatoe.com/default.asp |
| 19:15.48 | RaydenUni | lol |
| 19:15.50 | RaydenUni | ninja dating |
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| 19:18.58 | sylvanaar | now there is chat filtering functionality in the default ui looks like - on the ptr at least |
| 19:19.19 | Ellipsis | I'm pretty sure the functionality is the same as on live, they just rewrote the menu for it |
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| 19:31.09 | sylvanaar | really, when did they add it? |
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| 19:31.44 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r64065 10StatBlocks_CasterStats/StatBlocks_CasterStats.lua: StatBlocks_CasterStats: fix options so that they instantly take effect |
| 19:31.57 | sylvanaar | looks brand new to me |
| 19:32.25 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r64066 10StatBlocks_HealerStats/StatBlocks_HealerStats.lua: StatBlocks_HealerStats: fix options so that they instantly take effect |
| 19:33.07 | CIA-9 | 03sylvanaar 072.4 * r64067 10Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: Support blizzard default implementation of chat filtering (untested) |
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| 19:35.45 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r64068 10StatBlocks_CasterStats/StatBlocks_CasterStats.lua: StatBlocks_CasterStats: increase block width |
| 19:36.56 | Ordog | [2008/03/09 20:36:20-575-x1]: FuBar_TinyTipFu-1.1\TinyTipFu.lua:22: attempt to call field 'TinyTip_GetDB' (a nil value) |
| 19:36.59 | Ordog | keep getting that |
| 19:37.01 | Industrial | filtering of what |
| 19:37.07 | sylvanaar | chat |
| 19:37.19 | Ordog | deinstalled deleted saved vars n stuff |
| 19:37.22 | Ordog | reinstalled |
| 19:37.25 | Industrial | what! |
| 19:37.27 | sylvanaar | they added chat filtering |
| 19:37.27 | Ordog | still getting that |
| 19:37.30 | Industrial | like chat contents? |
| 19:37.32 | sylvanaar | yew |
| 19:37.37 | Industrial | cool |
| 19:37.49 | Industrial | no more LF#M|#v# in /2 |
| 19:37.57 | sylvanaar | sorta |
| 19:38.14 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 19:38.47 | Industrial | I should auto report spam anything that matches that btw |
| 19:38.47 | Industrial | :p |
| 19:39.11 | sylvanaar | it works pretty similar to how prat's does - you can change the text, or you can block it entirely |
| 19:39.45 | sylvanaar | ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter (event, filter), ChatFrame_RemoveMessageEventFilter (event, filter) |
| 19:41.09 | sylvanaar | the filter is a function which returns true if you block the message, otherwise it returns _, updated_text |
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| 19:43.54 | decaprime | am I missing something or is there no party equivilent of GetRaidRosterInfo? |
| 19:44.14 | decaprime | like how would I get the name's of party members |
| 19:44.55 | Ellipsis | UnitName("party1")? |
| 19:45.20 | CIA-9 | 03sylvanaar 072.4 * r64069 10Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: Try to prevent side-effects from default UI chat filtering functions |
| 19:45.24 | decaprime | I knew it would be something simple |
| 19:45.33 | charon | Industrial: is it good style to report players for spamming? i always figured that was reserved for gold sellers |
| 19:45.58 | Ellipsis | no, never report another player, but always say you did in /2 |
| 19:46.13 | robotusch | Can you add items to that filter? |
| 19:46.34 | charon | i see. |
| 19:46.52 | robotusch | Getting a bit annoying having to tab out every now and then to look up itemid of the current spam fad & adding it to my StopKrolBlade addon :/ |
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| 19:49.34 | Hrack | theres an addon that tells you itemid somewhere i thought |
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| 19:50.39 | FroMaster | From what I've read, WowAceUpdater is no longer being maintained. Has anything steped in to take its place? Any recommendations? |
| 19:51.02 | Thrae | FroMaster: You have read wrong. |
| 19:51.10 | sylvanaar | that might solve my problem with custom icons |
| 19:51.21 | robotusch | wouldn't be surprised if there was, but I usually always have one or more wowhead tabs open, so it's pretty fast to find |
| 19:51.38 | sylvanaar | FroMaster it is maintained, but no longer in development |
| 19:51.40 | robotusch | so far I'm blocking Dirge, Krol Blade, Thunderfury & today I added the Warglaives >_< |
| 19:52.01 | Azurewrath | btw. concerning WAU2.. i'm getting java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException all the time after it loads the addon list.. |
| 19:52.14 | sylvanaar | i dont think wau2 is maintained |
| 19:52.43 | robotusch | getting 5-6 messages pr minute in /2 going "ZOMG WHERE I FIND [Warglaive of Azzinoth][Warglaive of Azzinoth]" got kinda tedious |
| 19:53.05 | sylvanaar | FroMaster "As of 11/07 WAU is no longer in active development. Its current functionality is being maintained, but no new functionality is being added" |
| 19:53.17 | FroMaster | sylvanaar: I'm writing a guide for my guild about mods and want to suggest an updater to use. Should I suggest they use WAU1.9.x or should I point them in another direction? |
| 19:54.00 | sylvanaar | FroMaster thats up to you ultimately |
| 19:54.03 | Cheads | Thrae any reason why you didn't call your new sexy TinyTip for TinyTip2 ? =) |
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| 19:55.54 | FroMaster | sylvanaar: Thanks for all the work you put into WAU :) I'll point them to use it until there's a reason to switch. |
| 19:57.04 | sylvanaar | FroMaster cool |
| 19:57.38 | Thrae | Cheads: A) TinyTip v1.x and TinyTip v0.2 wouldn't work together B) You don't rename your addon every new major version unless the functionality has changed from the original principle |
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| 20:02.13 | Cheads | Thrae just thought it was a major overhaul |
| 20:03.20 | Ordog | Thrae? would you be so kind to tell me why FuBar_TinyTipFu-1.1\TinyTipFu.lua:22: attempt to call field 'TinyTip_GetDB' (a nil value) keeps appearing when i restart wow once after install ? |
| 20:04.12 | CIA-9 | 03sylvanaar 072.4 * r64070 10Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: Add comments about why we can't call into the hook-chain for events filtered by the default ui, since we can't let the filters be evalutated more than once per event. |
| 20:04.47 | Thrae | Ordog: That's because the beta up on WAU does not include an in-game options menu. |
| 20:05.29 | sylvanaar | I should take out all of prats options |
| 20:05.29 | Ordog | the console commands do not get registered aswell apparently |
| 20:08.05 | Thrae | Cheads: There's no reason to make a new addon or to change its name everytime you upgrade its code. All you do is change the version -- that's what they're for. Only Microsoft makes a brand new product for each major version. |
| 20:08.44 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r64071 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): .trunk: StatBlocks Healer/Caster Stats: Forgot about PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED >.< |
| 20:09.08 | Thrae | Ordog: Currently there is no way to change the options in-game with the latest beta. If you do not wish to participate in the beta, download from http://www.wowinterface.com and do not update via WAU. |
| 20:09.48 | Chaud | CMs are on the TTR when it comes back up BTW |
| 20:10.08 | Chaud | Don't forget to go get owned by the cheaters =\ |
| 20:10.30 | Gibbonz | Stanzilla: do you have a copy of it handy? |
| 20:13.17 | Ordog | well everything i need worked with the beta exept the ingame anchor changing :) |
| 20:13.56 | Cryect | Thrae: How about Adobe and Autodesk :-p |
| 20:14.15 | Cryect | Their products are barely different than those I recall from 10 years ago except with more shininess |
| 20:14.37 | Cheads | Thrae easy, I just asked =) |
| 20:14.41 | Thrae | Cryect: That doesn't mean their core hasn't changed. |
| 20:15.02 | Fisker- | WHAT TEH FUCK |
| 20:15.10 | Fisker- | Biggest noob ever |
| 20:15.15 | Thrae | Cheads: I wasn't berating you. |
| 20:15.21 | Fisker- | He's confused that he can't use our signup site |
| 20:15.30 | Fisker- | Then i tell him he already have a character and account there and links him to it |
| 20:15.37 | Fisker- | Then he's "OMG HOW DID YOU GET MY PASSWORD!11" |
| 20:15.41 | Fisker- | And i'm like, wtf? |
| 20:15.42 | Cryect | I question has the core really changed much in 3dsmax or Photoshop |
| 20:15.52 | Cheads | good Thrae, keep up the great work =) |
| 20:16.27 | Thrae | Cryect: Probably, especially for Vista interactivity and DirectX / OpenGL acceleration. And isn't there a Mac version too? |
| 20:16.51 | Cryect | in 3dsmax they change have drop in dlls they use for their render engine |
| 20:17.18 | Cryect | and its still the same codebase essentially between their different OS versions |
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| 20:18.37 | Thrae | Cryect: I'm not going to argue about code I can't see. In any case, using the same codebase forever is not a good idea. A good coder always looks for transparent optimizations. |
| 20:18.43 | Cryect | Anyways if you think those change then MS products change a lot more I would say (well except for like the Office products) |
| 20:19.02 | Thrae | I already mentioned Microsoft... |
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| 20:19.18 | Cryect | Yes but you said you said MS just calls a major version for things that shouldn't be you said |
| 20:19.47 | Cryect | Oh did I misread what you said? |
| 20:19.55 | Thrae | Yes. Ideally, we should be able to just upgrade "Microsoft Windows" continously with service packs. |
| 20:20.11 | Cheads | hehe |
| 20:20.14 | Thrae | Wait, that's getting off on a tangent. |
| 20:20.45 | Cheads | when money is involved.. things changes a bit |
| 20:20.47 | Cryect | pfft this entire thing is a tangent |
| 20:20.48 | Thrae | The analogy to Microsoft was that they change their core + a huge bunch of other crap at the same time, and give you that as a new product. |
| 20:21.04 | Cryect | I thought you were saying they didn't change their core :-p |
| 20:21.10 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel * r64072 10BigBrother/BuffWindow.lua: |
| 20:21.10 | CIA-9 | BigBrother: |
| 20:21.10 | CIA-9 | - Show real Buff Tooltip in BuffWindow rather then only the name, allows to identify which food buff people used |
| 20:21.11 | Cryect | so I was confused |
| 20:21.37 | Cryect | heh I should load up bigbrother sometime and see how much its changed since I last touched it |
| 20:22.18 | nevcairiel | that was actually a useful change |
| 20:22.40 | Cryect | Well I've not used it in like 10 months so curious what it looks like now a days |
| 20:22.41 | nevcairiel | we had one healer today that used some 12-stamina food |
| 20:22.54 | Cryect | haha |
| 20:22.56 | nevcairiel | and bb was happy with showing that he uses any food :p |
| 20:23.12 | mort | 12stam? wtf |
| 20:23.41 | nevcairiel | on a side note, illidan once again didnt drop my trinket, but one of our rogues has a full legendary set now |
| 20:23.58 | Cryect | Illi just doesn't like you |
| 20:25.19 | nevcairiel | mort: exactly that :P |
| 20:25.50 | mort | this game needs much more useable healer trinkets |
| 20:26.08 | mort | i couldn't care less for +heal on use |
| 20:26.21 | nevcairiel | memento + 2.4 alchemist stone |
| 20:26.32 | mort | memento + naaru silver ;) |
| 20:26.33 | Cryect | what did they do to the alchemist stone in 2.4? |
| 20:26.35 | Cryect | is it useful again? |
| 20:26.45 | nevcairiel | there are new ones |
| 20:27.10 | Chaud | powerful ones. |
| 20:27.25 | nevcairiel | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/february/alchemistone.jpg |
| 20:27.45 | Chaud | 4 trinkets to rule them all |
| 20:27.53 | mort | i dropped alchemy for leatherworking |
| 20:28.46 | CIA-9 | 03starinnia * r64073 10StatBlocks_Ammo/StatBlocks_Ammo.lua: StatBlocks_Ammo: somehow used = instead of == |
| 20:31.22 | mort | anyway, i got my raven mount last night, thats better than any trinket ;) |
| 20:33.30 | nevcairiel | nah its not |
| 20:33.58 | nevcairiel | that was the 19th kill of illidan, and not one memento |
| 20:34.03 | nevcairiel | damn you mr stormrage! |
| 20:34.13 | erzy | We've been luckier |
| 20:34.17 | erzy | 3 mementos |
| 20:34.25 | erzy | all 3 ppl quit their chars |
| 20:34.29 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:34.38 | mort | ... |
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| 20:38.10 | kenlyric | nev, I feel for you, I really do. |
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| 20:38.17 | Chompers | a healer fell through the world in MH during wave 7 |
| 20:38.18 | Chompers | we die |
| 20:38.36 | kenlyric | 66 kills of red dragons in BWL and ~40 kills of onyxia, and no healer trinket from either. |
| 20:38.42 | sag_ich_nicht | someone care to fix the externals for MagicMarker? |
| 20:39.00 | kenlyric | I now no longer hope for purple trinkets, because they do not exist |
| 20:39.52 | mort | i would kill for a new idol.... |
| 20:39.52 | RaydenUni | why must pitbull updates change my style? |
| 20:40.12 | mort | damn you emerald queen! |
| 20:40.29 | RaydenUni | no more otravi? |
| 20:40.50 | RaydenUni | why doesn't pitbull have otravi now? |
| 20:40.58 | Arrowmaster | get sharedmedia |
| 20:41.07 | nevcairiel | mort: heh i feel with ya, they really need to get some good epic idol somewhere |
| 20:41.14 | Arrowmaster | pitbull doesnt have any textures by default now |
| 20:41.15 | Cryect | its SharedMedia issues :-p |
| 20:41.51 | JoshBorke | ~lart Cryect |
| 20:41.51 | purl | hereby declares Cryect a troll |
| 20:41.57 | RaydenUni | do i need SharedMedia and SharedMediaLib or what? |
| 20:42.03 | JoshBorke | just SharedMedia |
| 20:42.10 | Cryect | Yarr! |
| 20:42.18 | mort | maybe with wotlk ;) |
| 20:42.20 | kenlyric | certainly I have other mods that use the sharedmedia libs |
| 20:42.45 | nevcairiel | mort: you really believe that? :P was the same before BC, you used some blue idol out of brs |
| 20:43.17 | Funkeh` | If an addon is LoD and has optdeps, will it load those opt deps at login even though the addon itself doesn't load |
| 20:43.21 | mort | i started my druid after bc ;) |
| 20:43.42 | Cryect | then you don't know the horrors of waiting for new druid loot |
| 20:43.49 | Arrowmaster | Funkeh`: no |
| 20:44.01 | Cryect | and then when they give new druid loot people bitch that all that drops is druid loot |
| 20:44.10 | nevcairiel | he |
| 20:44.13 | nevcairiel | *heh |
| 20:44.19 | nevcairiel | like the idol on razuvious |
| 20:44.24 | nevcairiel | dropped like every second week |
| 20:44.34 | Industrial | < charon> Industrial: is it good style to report players for spamming? i always figured that was reserved for gold sellers |
| 20:44.35 | Cryect | Barely saw that |
| 20:44.39 | Cryect | was actually useful though |
| 20:44.49 | nevcairiel | to some extend |
| 20:44.58 | Industrial | charon: I think it is, because if you tell them that what they are donig is uncool and anoying the whole channel will jump on you |
| 20:45.00 | Cryect | And then there is those who think the Pillar of Ferocity is actually a druid staff :-p |
| 20:45.05 | Industrial | charon: when they, in fact, are wrong. |
| 20:45.14 | Arrowmaster | atleast you didnt get prophecy gloves 90% of the time off of gehennas |
| 20:45.16 | Cryect | I'm not sure what it is but not a useful one |
| 20:45.29 | nevcairiel | it looks nice |
| 20:45.35 | Cryect | yes it looks nice |
| 20:45.37 | Ordog | how much is a 5on5 arena team? |
| 20:45.41 | Cryect | but I can't tell how nice I look in bear/cat form |
| 20:45.42 | Ordog | costs |
| 20:45.46 | nevcairiel | and i use it for dps |
| 20:45.47 | Arrowmaster | PoF is a dps staff |
| 20:45.54 | nevcairiel | the random drop staff from SSC for tanking |
| 20:46.03 | Cryect | its a crappy DPS staff unless stuff changed a lot since I really did calculations |
| 20:46.07 | Diao | isn't pof a bad dps staff |
| 20:46.11 | Cryect | yes |
| 20:46.17 | Diao | outclassed by even the staff off illhoof |
| 20:46.18 | Diao | or something |
| 20:46.19 | Diao | iirc |
| 20:46.20 | Cryect | Yes |
| 20:46.32 | Arrowmaster | dont see how thats possible |
| 20:46.42 | nevcairiel | they buffed the mh weapons |
| 20:46.58 | Cryect | I don't know after the changes if thats still true though :-p |
| 20:47.01 | Diao | 550 ac, 47 str, 96 stam, 1059 AP |
| 20:47.10 | Cryect | that might be slightly better then |
| 20:47.13 | Cryect | but still not very good |
| 20:47.17 | Cryect | for where its located |
| 20:47.30 | Cryect | since it wastes itemizations on useless stats |
| 20:47.40 | Diao | vs 38 str, 37 agi, 48 stam, 5 hit, 829 AP |
| 20:47.49 | Diao | 25 hit* |
| 20:47.51 | Cryect | hmm only 5 hit? |
| 20:47.59 | Diao | typo :P |
| 20:48.03 | Diao | 25 |
| 20:48.24 | Diao | you lose 9 str, 230 ap |
| 20:48.27 | Diao | for 37 agi and 25 hit |
| 20:49.22 | Cryect | PoF is better by like roughly 50 equiv AP then or so |
| 20:49.35 | Cryect | only issue is its hard for druids to get +hit |
| 20:50.02 | Cryect | so... Illhoof is often better still unless you get a lot of rogue loot |
| 20:50.30 | Cryect | Blizzard is always scared to itemize druids correctly since they gave druids insane multipliers for stats :-p |
| 20:50.46 | nevcairiel | i just pick up what our raid-ferals or rogues dont need anymore |
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| 20:50.56 | Diao | s3 staff |
| 20:50.59 | Diao | is the best for druids now isn't it |
| 20:51.18 | Diao | 46 str, 22 hit, 46 crit, 1110 AP |
| 20:51.21 | Diao | offensive statwise |
| 20:51.21 | Cryect | Since S2 was when I quit I would guess S3 is as well |
| 20:51.28 | Cryect | yeah thats definately better |
| 20:51.44 | Cryect | I mean if you didn't even include hit or crit it works out better |
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| 20:52.14 | Cryect | I think that actually pissed me off that they wanted the best feral weapon from Arenas but feral druids are pretty crappy in arena |
| 20:52.29 | Diao | lol |
| 20:52.31 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:52.33 | Cryect | so its like go respec REsto to do arena and buy your feral weapon! |
| 20:52.33 | nevcairiel | true |
| 20:53.59 | Diao | that's pretty much how it is for prot too |
| 20:54.03 | Diao | until you get illidan down |
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| 20:55.01 | mort | ...or stay resto ;) |
| 20:55.09 | Arrowmaster | best feral tanking gear is from arenas |
| 21:00.37 | Cryect | Yeah since stam is such an overpowered stat but you end up with barely any dodge if you go all arena gear |
| 21:03.04 | Arrowmaster | no arena gear for the resilence |
| 21:03.25 | Arrowmaster | and druids are better off getting agi than dodge rating anyway |
| 21:05.24 | mort | dominating on healing done, druid for the win ;) |
| 21:05.32 | Chaud | TTR died again =\ |
| 21:05.39 | Chaud | what an awesome hardware upgrade. |
| 21:08.18 | CIA-9 | 03piranther * r64074 10PiraPlex/ (PiraPlex.lua PiraPlex.toc PiraPlex.xml deps.lua icon3.tga): PiraPlex :- |
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| 21:12.08 | Grum | mort: MH trash doesnt dmg enough to allow proper healing :P |
| 21:12.32 | mort | rolling 4 lifebloomstacks = win ;) |
| 21:13.53 | JoshBorke | any body know of a mod that changes the status bar textures on the default bilzzard unit frames? |
| 21:14.21 | Chaud | People use default UF? |
| 21:15.48 | [Liquidor] | HAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA watch this kid : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JAcdbKFygg |
| 21:16.07 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 21:16.15 | RaydenUni | augh |
| 21:16.21 | RaydenUni | pitbull also forgot where i want my debuffs |
| 21:17.15 | mort | i bet he plays an undead rogue |
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| 21:18.28 | JoshBorke | paladin actually |
| 21:18.51 | CIA-9 | 03ngollon * r64075 10SimpleSoulstone/SimpleSoulstone.lua: SimpleSoulstone: -Now, finally, this may be the fix. Lets pray. |
| 21:18.56 | mort | i meant the link from liquidor |
| 21:19.43 | CIA-9 | 03piranther * r64076 10PiraPlex/PiraPlex.lua: PiraPlex :- Change default position of minimap button |
| 21:23.13 | ValleG | JoshBorke, PlayerFrameHealthBar:SetStatusBarTexture("path\\blahblahblah\\texture") ? :) |
| 21:23.41 | [Liquidor] | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKNzEvK_5u8 |
| 21:25.05 | ValleG | .....I don't don't what to say |
| 21:25.29 | ValleG | He's not insane, he's boring. |
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| 21:27.55 | Fr0Master | Can anyone recommend a mod that will compare my equipt item with the item I'm rolling over in my bag? |
| 21:28.41 | Antiarc | RatingBuster |
| 21:28.43 | ValleG | you mean statwise like +Xagi, -Xsta etc etc? |
| 21:28.45 | mort | your shift-key? |
| 21:29.04 | Fr0Master | mort: didn't know shift worked.. lol |
| 21:29.13 | ValleG | Not all do. |
| 21:29.41 | Antiarc | so I've had my head down for a week |
| 21:29.54 | Grum | ratingbuster ftw |
| 21:29.59 | Antiarc | Is there a solution for minimap buttons and/or fubar-type plugins for Ace3 mods yet? |
| 21:30.01 | Fr0Master | I'm already using RatingBuster.. I wanted something that would show two items side by side |
| 21:30.20 | Antiarc | Fr0Master: Hold down shift (or is it alt?) when you mouse over the item |
| 21:30.27 | Antiarc | The blizzard interface does that natively, I think |
| 21:30.30 | Gngsk | Fr0Master, if you want an always up equip tooltip check out tekCompare |
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| 21:31.14 | Gngsk | *tekKompare, http://tekkub.net/addons/tekKompare |
| 21:31.36 | Grum | ~tekKompare |
| 21:31.38 | Grum | mmm |
| 21:31.43 | Grum | maybe we should teach purl |
| 21:31.53 | Grum | amagawd nopurl! |
| 21:32.17 | Gngsk | how peculiar |
| 21:32.44 | Snago | Antiarc: Arrowmaster is experimenting with a framework independent LibFuBarPlugin-3.0, I think it's in branches |
| 21:33.11 | Grum | LibDataBroker was made as a backend for that right? |
| 21:34.01 | Snago | I think it's just LFBP-2.0 with rock stripped out |
| 21:34.50 | Snago | I don't know the status of DataBroker, think I saw something from cia about, but it must have been days ago now |
| 21:35.05 | CIA-9 | 03piranther * r64077 10PiraPlex/PiraPlex.lua: PiraPlex :- Fix typo in F.A.Q. |
| 21:36.27 | Grum | sigh, so someone is just doing it 'the nasty way' :( |
| 21:39.04 | Fr0Master | If anyone has the ability to commit, could you make a quick fix to a mod? Mod: AutoFIR. Change in the AutoFIR.toc, add "Locale-enUS.lua |
| 21:39.12 | Fr0Master | just below the Localization line |
| 21:39.43 | Grum | lol |
| 21:39.55 | Snago | aha, found the DataBroker display.. http://fish.wowace.com/changelog/WowAce/branches/Fortress/Borlox/Fortress |
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| 21:40.46 | Gngsk | snago, do we need to make a table with all the skettis subzones? keeps switching to default since the veil areas aren't tagged Skettis |
| 21:41.28 | Snago | Gngsk: yeah, I meant to do that.. |
| 21:41.32 | Gngsk | ah, k |
| 21:41.58 | Snago | But all my chars are exalted with skyguard now so I havn't been there yet to list all zones :P |
| 21:42.13 | winkiller | all = how many? |
| 21:42.29 | Gngsk | 4 or 5 |
| 21:42.36 | winkiller | o_O |
| 21:42.41 | Snago | All subzones you'll find eggs to bomb |
| 21:42.46 | winkiller | must be very desperate for money :P |
| 21:42.51 | Gngsk | 3 or 4 veils and the lake |
| 21:42.52 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r64078 10StatBlocks_CasterStats/StatBlocks_CasterStats.lua: StatBlocks_CasterStats: tweak |
| 21:43.04 | Grum | what is statblocks anyhow? O.o |
| 21:43.17 | Gngsk | blacks for stats |
| 21:43.19 | Gngsk | er, blocks |
| 21:43.26 | Grum | blocks as in? |
| 21:43.45 | Gngsk | frames I guess, that stack to eachother |
| 21:44.23 | ramoz | they dont stack =( |
| 21:44.33 | Snago | Gngsk: If you're in the neighbourhood, note the zone names and send them to me please :) |
| 21:44.51 | CIA-9 | 03peragor * r64079 10GridLayoutPlus/ (. GridLayoutPlus.lua GridLayoutPlus.toc embed.xml): |
| 21:44.51 | CIA-9 | GridLayoutPlus: |
| 21:44.51 | CIA-9 | - Fixed externals linking |
| 21:44.52 | Gngsk | boo, I just turned in the bombing quest |
| 21:44.54 | ValleG | Stackblocks -> http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3603/wowscrnshot030708212306gd5.jpg |
| 21:44.54 | Gngsk | tommorow! |
| 21:45.06 | ValleG | stat* lol |
| 21:45.06 | Snago | ye, tomorrow is fine |
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| 21:46.08 | Snago | away for some sleep. java exam tomorrow. nn |
| 21:46.10 | CIA-9 | 03starinnia * r64080 10StatBlocks_Ammo/ (Locales/enUS.lua StatBlocks_Ammo.lua): StatBlocks_Ammo: throwing weapons now supported |
| 21:46.37 | Starinnia | i hate throwing weapons now, btw... stupid tooltip scanning |
| 21:47.25 | Diao | what's wrong with throwns? |
| 21:47.44 | ValleG | love 'em for deadly thow :) |
| 21:47.52 | Funkeh` | then why support it? :) |
| 21:48.31 | kenlyric | gotta love em for the fact you don't have to cary ammo around |
| 21:48.48 | Starinnia | I like them when I play my warrior, but I hate them when I program |
| 21:49.09 | Gngsk | Snago, http://gngsk.pastey.net/83572 |
| 21:50.13 | Gngsk | forgot I had to get a monstrous kalari wing |
| 21:50.19 | Gibbonz | RatingBuster ftw indeed.. use it alongside EQCompare myself |
| 21:52.35 | Wogroipl_ | Smartres and Xpbarnone both need Sharedmedia-1.0 still? |
| 21:54.04 | ramoz | Funkeh`: will StatBlocks ever get a sticky feature? |
| 21:54.12 | Funkeh` | no |
| 21:54.33 | ramoz | =( |
| 21:54.47 | Starinnia | sticky is evil, my action bars don't know what they're trying to sticky themselves to most of the time |
| 21:55.07 | ramoz | its nice if you can turn it on and off (like BT3) |
| 21:56.02 | Starinnia | prolly easier to give positioning options like the PitBull frames have |
| 21:56.07 | Chompers | so BT is pretty sweet, trash isnt too bad at all |
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| 21:56.21 | Chompers | little armour, but lots of health |
| 21:56.27 | Starinnia | love being able to drop the target frame a pixel at a time |
| 21:56.34 | FroMaster | Where's the proper place to report bugs with a WowAce mod? |
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| 22:00.29 | ulic | FroMaster: often times the said mod will have a thread on the forums, that usually works. |
| 22:00.31 | ulic | which mod? |
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| 22:00.57 | Cryect | sometimes Jira |
| 22:01.04 | ulic | oh yea, there too |
| 22:01.08 | Cryect | really depends on who maintains the mod |
| 22:01.15 | Cryect | or if anyone maintains it |
| 22:03.43 | FroMaster | Its a new mod AutoFIR |
| 22:03.56 | FroMaster | found a simple bug in the TOC |
| 22:04.17 | FroMaster | but I don't have SVN to make the change and check it in |
| 22:06.03 | Grum | well .. i dont use the addon so i dont feel comfortable making the change :? |
| 22:06.16 | ulic | often times for simple, obvious bugs, you can just put line # and such in here, and someone will change |
| 22:06.39 | ulic | but like Grum said, if it's not an obvious bug, like missing comma or something, best changed by the author usually. |
| 22:07.08 | Grum | it might contain bugs or missing translations |
| 22:07.17 | FroMaster | He's missing the localization file from the file list in the TOC. If i add it to my local copy everything works perfectly, but when i use WAU to update my mods it downloads the old ver |
| 22:07.43 | Grum | make a .svn dir in your folder |
| 22:07.49 | Grum | WAU wont overwrite it then |
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| 22:08.50 | Grum | and yes we are aware that explorer.exe is too retarded to make a .svn directory, do it from the cmdline :) |
| 22:09.27 | FroMaster | I'll give it a shot |
| 22:09.31 | Yssaril | or you can simply tell wau to ignore said addon :P |
| 22:11.39 | nevcairiel | Cryect: can Recount record a threat-per-second history for one fight? |
| 22:12.15 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r64081 10Recount2/ (GUI_List.lua GUI_Table.lua Widgets.lua): |
| 22:12.15 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 22:12.15 | CIA-9 | -Can now click on column headers on table frames to sort by that column |
| 22:12.15 | CIA-9 | -The selected column in table frames is highlighted with yellow |
| 22:12.15 | CIA-9 | -You can now scroll table frames and list frames with your mousewheel |
| 22:12.30 | Cryect | it can record it for any number of fights? |
| 22:12.40 | Chompers | use [target=High Warlord Naj'entus] Naj'entus Spine |
| 22:12.43 | Chompers | would that work? |
| 22:12.54 | nevcairiel | Cryect: :P |
| 22:12.54 | Grum | no |
| 22:13.06 | Cryect | in the graph mode one of the things it records is threat |
| 22:13.07 | Grum | but /target High Warlord Naj'entus ; /use Naj'entus Spine - should |
| 22:13.11 | Cryect | and you can have it just display the fight you want |
| 22:13.19 | Grum | i think you can only select a unit |
| 22:13.33 | nevcairiel | maybe i really need to try it |
| 22:14.00 | Cryect | and you can compare different players threat etc on there |
| 22:14.04 | Hjalte | Cryect: Do you think Recount2 will be usable and somewhat done when 2.4 hits live? |
| 22:14.09 | Cryect | and then integrate by the TPS to see total threat |
| 22:14.20 | Cryect | It will be usable, somewhat done doubt it |
| 22:14.43 | Cryect | By 2.4 hits I hope to have at least something more fully functionally than say base SWStats or Damagemeters |
| 22:15.16 | Cryect | but it won't have anything fancy beyond lists and details with fully configurable views (defined by tags & expressions) |
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| 22:15.33 | Cryect | More of the fancy stuff I hope to do as modules anyways |
| 22:15.44 | Hjalte | Sounds good. Then I just need to convince those diehard sw_stats for live people in my guild, that recount is better :( |
| 22:16.17 | Cryect | Well it won't have syncing either... initially so that won't exactly matter |
| 22:16.24 | zapl | Chompers: /cleartarget /target highlord /use [exist] thing |
| 22:16.59 | Cryect | I need to figure out good ways to perform syncing with the way I'm storing data |
| 22:18.02 | Cryect | besides is Artack(sp?) actually working on a 2.4 SWStats |
| 22:18.04 | Chompers | okay zapi |
| 22:18.18 | Cryect | he's not said something for like a month on his forum or curse |
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| 22:23.09 | Grum | or just focustarget on it and do: /use [target=focus] naj'entus SpinE |
| 22:23.49 | Hjalte | Cryect: When you get around syncing, do you think that it will be sending data for all participants or only sending your own damage to others? |
| 22:24.00 | Diao | Hjalte it's not possible to replace sws because it has swlog |
| 22:24.07 | Diao | until Cryect makes relog :( |
| 22:24.24 | Hjalte | Diao: Explain swlog |
| 22:24.30 | Diao | uh |
| 22:24.30 | Cryect | Unilog |
| 22:24.34 | Cryect | its a combat log |
| 22:24.35 | Diao | filterable searchable combat log |
| 22:24.38 | Cryect | that you can filter |
| 22:24.53 | Cryect | It would be real easy to make a new one with the new combat log stuff |
| 22:24.55 | Diao | you can search by the actor name, actee name, which event, what type of event, etc |
| 22:25.06 | Hjalte | what's so special about that, that i can't do with eg. simplecombatlog and recount? |
| 22:25.18 | Diao | scl is not searchable |
| 22:25.25 | Cryect | The new combatlog is |
| 22:25.30 | Diao | ah |
| 22:25.41 | Cryect | if you know the commands to filter etc on it |
| 22:25.51 | Diao | well |
| 22:25.53 | Diao | yeah |
| 22:26.03 | Diao | but searching by blizz api eventname sucks :( |
| 22:26.07 | Cryect | Someone just needs to sit down and make some decent tools for that |
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| 22:26.19 | Diao | yeah |
| 22:26.20 | Cryect | also some people prefer a datagrid display |
| 22:26.53 | Diao | well i use swl as a "what the fuck happened to x person" |
| 22:27.03 | Diao | so i just search for stuff that occurred to them |
| 22:27.07 | Hjalte | That's what i do with recount |
| 22:27.13 | Cryect | if the only thing you care about is death then Recount does that fine |
| 22:27.36 | Hjalte | If you use the different views in recount, you can get a lot of information |
| 22:27.39 | Cryect | I mean if you want something much more complex then yeah Recount isn't sufficient |
| 22:27.55 | Diao | well |
| 22:28.13 | JoshBorke | RELOG! |
| 22:28.18 | Cryect | I don't think people really use unilog to the full functionality it provides |
| 22:28.21 | Diao | like if i drop from 100% to 1% hp and then get healed up to full |
| 22:28.27 | Diao | i want to see why that happened |
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| 22:28.29 | Diao | after the fight |
| 22:28.32 | Diao | even if i didn't die |
| 22:28.37 | Cryect | ah |
| 22:28.55 | Cryect | Well most people could care less or quickly forget if they didn't actually die :-p |
| 22:29.00 | Diao | lol |
| 22:29.01 | Cryect | I mean I agree its a nice idea |
| 22:29.03 | Diao | well i want to see if it's like |
| 22:29.06 | Diao | my healers not paying attention |
| 22:29.08 | Cryect | but its overly complex for most peopel |
| 22:29.13 | Cryect | well |
| 22:29.15 | Diao | or if the boss did some crazy combo and there was nothing they could do about it |
| 22:29.17 | Cryect | you can see that in Recount as well |
| 22:29.23 | Diao | oh |
| 22:29.25 | Diao | hmm |
| 22:29.27 | Cryect | you can see incoming DPS on you at any point in time |
| 22:29.30 | Cryect | and incoming HPS on you etc |
| 22:29.37 | Diao | ah |
| 22:29.38 | Cryect | if you use the time based recording |
| 22:29.42 | Cryect | in graph display |
| 22:29.46 | Diao | lol |
| 22:29.47 | Diao | so complex :( |
| 22:29.55 | Cryect | its less complex than what you are talking about |
| 22:30.14 | Cryect | you are talking about having to perform a query to get back the exact data you want |
| 22:30.44 | Cryect | this you just press shift on your name and up pops a graph display of vital stats for you |
| 22:30.54 | Cryect | and you can select fight etc |
| 22:31.07 | Cryect | much easier than some queries :-p |
| 22:31.15 | Chaud | I hate the TTR |
| 22:31.22 | Cryect | hmm why? |
| 22:31.31 | Chaud | CMs are queue dodging me ! |
| 22:32.10 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r64082 10Recount/locales/Recount-koKR.lua: |
| 22:32.10 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 22:32.10 | CIA-9 | - Fixed formating (extra commas, etc) in Korean localization. |
| 22:33.37 | Diao | what's TTR o_O |
| 22:33.45 | Cryect | Test Tourney Realm |
| 22:34.55 | zapl | worldwide arena |
| 22:35.04 | Chaud | worldwide realm crash and d/c |
| 22:35.44 | zapl | hooray |
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| 22:38.27 | Trell_ | quick question, when i mouse over a recipe, or click one, it'll say 'already known' if the character i'm on already knows it. is there any addon that will tell me if any of my alts know that recipe/pattern? eg, I wanna buy something at the AH but my memory is shite, and I can't remember if my tailoring alt can make it. |
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| 22:41.35 | ValleG | I know one exists but no idea what the name is. |
| 22:43.01 | zapl | should be ProfessionsBook |
| 22:43.38 | Trell_ | ah yes, says so in it's wiki. |
| 22:43.41 | Trell_ | thanks zapl. |
| 22:44.13 | Pkekyo| | ~time |
| 22:44.13 | purl | hmm... time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2008.03.09 22:44:13 GMT |
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| 23:22.43 | zapl | hmm is it possible to create a frame of 1x1 or 2x2 pixel? thinking about making a pixelgrid out of that and make oldschool flamefx in it |
| 23:24.12 | Pkekyo| | zapl: sure, just load up photoshop |
| 23:25.03 | ValleG | 'night |
| 23:25.04 | zapl | nah, animated via onupdate changing the background color of the lets say 16x16 frames |
| 23:25.27 | Pkekyo| | huh? |
| 23:25.59 | zapl | drawing a 16x16 pixel image by creating 16x16 very small frames |
| 23:26.13 | zapl | each frame = 1 pixel :) |
| 23:26.21 | Pkekyo| | duh... |
| 23:26.51 | Pkekyo| | nevermind me *shrugs* |
| 23:27.36 | Pkekyo| | welcome to #wowace. sense...we make none! |
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| 23:30.57 | CIA-9 | 03kurax * r64083 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/ (burningcrusade.cn.lua burningcrusade.tw.lua): |
| 23:30.57 | CIA-9 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
| 23:30.57 | CIA-9 | - zhCN & zhTW update |
| 23:31.49 | Cryect | instead of creating a bunch of small frames just create small textures |
| 23:32.37 | NeoTron | but that's boring |
| 23:33.09 | zapl | lots of textures.. k i'll try |
| 23:33.37 | Cryect | as long as you don't move the textures after they are placed it doesn't have too much of an impact |
| 23:34.22 | zapl | no pixels dont need to move |
| 23:34.58 | Cryect | right |
| 23:37.12 | Xinhuan | do you know that hunter snake traps will attack low level players in enemy territory that aren't pvp flagged? :D |
| 23:37.25 | Diao | yep |
| 23:37.26 | Diao | and flag them |
| 23:37.33 | Chaud | The real question is, how many months old is the trick |
| 23:37.49 | Xinhuan | more important is, why isn't it fixed yet |
| 23:38.04 | Chaud | Turn PvE servers into PvP ones. |
| 23:38.07 | Chaud | Problem solved |
| 23:42.49 | ZealotOnAStick | . |
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| 23:48.49 | CIA-9 | 03danielbarron * r64084 10RaidBuffStatus/ (Core.lua Locale-enUS.lua RaidBuffStatus.toc ReadMe.txt): (log message trimmed) |
| 23:48.49 | CIA-9 | RaidBuffStatus: |
| 23:48.49 | CIA-9 | - Added more checks for: |
| 23:48.49 | CIA-9 | - Hunter with no aspect |
| 23:48.49 | CIA-9 | - Hunter with aspect of the pack or cheetah |
| 23:48.50 | CIA-9 | - Protection paladin with no Righteous Fury |
| 23:48.52 | CIA-9 | - Someone has a soul stone |
| 23:50.17 | CIA-9 | 03danielbarron * r64085 10RaidBuffStatus/RaidBuffStatus.toc: |
| 23:50.17 | CIA-9 | RaidBuffStatus: |
| 23:50.17 | CIA-9 | - Corrected version number |
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| 23:53.43 | CIA-9 | 03neotron * r64086 10GravBlox/ (18 files in 2 dirs): |
| 23:53.43 | CIA-9 | GravBlox: |
| 23:53.43 | CIA-9 | - Initial import. |
| 23:53.43 | CIA-9 | - Tetris-inspired mini-game. |
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| 23:55.08 | Kalman| | Oh excellent. |
| 23:55.12 | Kalman| | I need in game tetris. |
| 23:55.41 | zapl | hmm texture:SetTexture(r,g,b[,a]) takes 0-1, 0-255 or even hex? |
| 23:55.42 | NeoTron | http://eongames.com/tmp/gravblox.wmv |
| 23:56.22 | p3lim | zapl: 0-1 |
| 23:56.31 | zapl | ty |
| 23:56.42 | NeoTron | approximately |
| 23:56.47 | NeoTron | it's not exactly "production ready" |
| 23:57.10 | NeoTron | mainly lacking polish plus it's like a half-assed "sort of" ace2 thing that I never really finished |
| 23:57.17 | NeoTron | but now perhaps I'll be motivated :P |
| 23:58.16 | p3lim | NeoTron: is that movie ingame? |
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| 23:59.12 | CIA-9 | 03archarodim * r64087 10Decursive/ (8 files): |
| 23:59.12 | CIA-9 | Decursive: |
| 23:59.12 | CIA-9 | - When moving the cursor quickly over friendly and hostile units, sometimes a phantom affliction could appear in the live-list for 0.2 seconds this has been fixed. |
| 23:59.12 | CIA-9 | - Change some global Dcr object calls to local calls. |
