IRC log for #wowace on 20080208

`00:00.49`	`*** join/#wowace Linger (n=hawairan@users2.voxnet.ru)`
`00:02.08`	`Bruners`	`is it possible to have pallypower work in combat?`
`00:02.08`	`Linger`	`Hello guys. Im looking for addon named Winamp - Wow or smth :) for changing songs in winamp while playing wow :)`
`00:02.23`	`Bruners`	`use ctrl+alt+page up/down ?`
`00:02.50`	`Linger`	`=\\`
`00:03.12`	`Bruners`	`i dont think that kind of addon is legal either`
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`00:04.20`	`Tifi`	`i don't think that's even possible with an addon`
`00:05.00`	`SunTsu`	`Linger: It's simply not possible. Addons cannot communicate with anything outside WoW`
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`00:05.49`	`SunTsu`	`Linger: Well, they can save and read SavedVariables - on every login and logout, so you would have to reload ui a lot ;)`
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`00:06.46`	`Bruners`	`Linger: easy enough enable global hotkeys in your winamp and use ctrl+alt+pageup&down/home/end to controll your music`
`00:06.51`	`WobWork`	`Only on Macs though`
`00:06.59`	`WobWork`	`I think we used to be able to control itunes`
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`00:07.46`	`Linger`	`okay,thanks alot guys :)`
`00:08.35`	`Bruners`	`afaik there was an addon that could control winamp but people who used it got banned`
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`00:10.43`	`SunTsu`	`Bruners: Sounds like a WoW urban legend ;)`
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`00:14.15`	`WobWork`	`The users were found in their cars`
`00:14.20`	`WobWork`	`WITH ONLY ONE EYE`
`00:14.29`	`WobWork`	`and a bloody hook on the door handle`
`00:15.18`	`Primer`	`Has anyone here ever lobbied to have features added to wow's API and was successful?`
`00:15.27`	`WobWork`	`It's happened`
`00:15.46`	`WobWork`	`As long as you present a good argument to Slouken, he usually considers it`
`00:15.47`	`Primer`	`I wonder how hard it'd be for them to export Z axis info`
`00:15.56`	`WobWork`	`I think that one's been asked before`
`00:16.46`	`Primer`	`so say Z axis info was provided, and somone took the time to map all the elevations of every place you could go (walk in Azeroth, fly in outland)`
`00:17.03`	`WobWork`	`Routes could be even more optimised =P`
`00:17.32`	`Primer`	`and got a "topology". I wonder how CPU intensive it'd be to compare where you are, along with your Z axis, and give you your elevation?`
`00:17.34`	`WobWork`	`although, that's a whole lot of data to store`
`00:17.46`	`Primer`	`how far above the ground you are, that is`
`00:18.00`	`WobWork`	`easy.`
`00:18.04`	`WobWork`	`Just dismount`
`00:18.10`	`WobWork`	`if you die, it's a bit too far off the ground`
`00:18.12`	`Primer`	`well, asking for Z axis is one thing. What the Z of the ground is below you...something else`
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`00:18.42`	`Primer`	`but then, I wonder how hard it'd be for the engine to provide that`
`00:18.58`	`Primer`	`surely, from a GL perspective, that info exists at all times`
`00:19.00`	`WobWork`	`considering collision dynamics, probably not that difficult`
`00:19.22`	`WobWork`	`Whether they'll offer that information on the other hand....`
`00:19.36`	`Primer`	`What argument would they have for denying it? Bots?`
`00:19.53`	`Primer`	`they already provide bearing (heading, actually, but they call it bearing)`
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`00:20.13`	`WobWork`	`what argument can you present for not denying it?`
`00:20.29`	`Primer`	`"I want to add that to my mod" ?`
`00:20.36`	`Primer`	`addon`
`00:20.55`	`Primer`	`that and player pitch`
`00:21.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`that stuff has been requested enough before that i doubt requesting again will do much`
`00:22.03`	`Primer`	`but perhaps if they saw my addon they'd go "woa! that's cool!" and add it :)`
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`00:22.54`	`kebinusan`	`I just wish wow included options for rolling or date coding the names of combat/chat logs`
`00:23.11`	Funkeh`	`k vista is different`
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`00:25.58`	`WobWork`	Funkeh`: That's a diplomatic description =)
`00:26.31`	Funkeh`	`WobWork, About as accurate as it gets!`
`00:28.27`	Funkeh`	`Kinda like the flashy stuff tbh`
`00:28.48`	`WobWork`	`Compiz-Fusion =P`
`00:28.57`	`kebinusan`	`compiz has way more eye candy factor`
`00:29.01`	`WobWork`	`desktop cube ftw`
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`00:29.20`	`WobWork`	`even on dual screens =)`
`00:29.58`	`WobWork`	`I kinda want it on my work computer now`
`00:30.02`	`WobWork`	`damnit`
`00:30.03`	`kebinusan`	`yeah, I wish I had opted for a second display of the same size, it gets a bit weird with a 1400x900 lcd and my 21" crt at 1600x1200`
`00:30.26`	`WobWork`	`kebinusan: yeah a bit, but not weird enough not to use it =)`
`00:30.36`	`kebinusan`	`though I like having the option of putting movies on my crt for better viewing from weird angles`
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`00:31.12`	`Diao`	`get a wva lcd!`
`00:31.19`	`kebinusan`	`yeah, honestly having wow on one display and a plethora of alt tabbing stuff on the other is sexy`
`00:31.42`	`WobWork`	`mousescroll on clear desktop to spin cube is sexy`
`00:31.45`	`kebinusan`	`I rarely use more than the two displays worth of desktop though`
`00:32.00`	`Jokie`	`Is there a better approach then to just register as an addon author to update an abandoned addon? Specifically I updated the MH/BT loot for the ClassLoot addon`
`00:32.06`	`WobWork`	`I have WoW/Code on one and Webbrowser on another`
`00:32.31`	`WobWork`	`If the original author is no longer supporting it, you might want to take over`
`00:32.39`	`kebinusan`	`I nee dto play with kibadock over gnome panels sometime`
`00:33.21`	`Jokie`	`wob, last commit was july 18 07.. http://fish.wowace.com/browse/WowAce/trunk/ClassLoot`
`00:33.41`	`Jokie`	`Just want to return the favor to the community if someone could use the data as well =)`
`00:35.16`	`kebinusan`	`WobWork: I just wish more games ran fine under wow, having to dual boot to play games kills my uptime`
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`00:35.30`	`kebinusan`	`err under wine`
`00:35.49`	`CIA-10`	`03piotrb * r60573 10FuBar_PvpFu/Core.lua: FuBar_PvpFu: didn't rename one table key and the whole thing broke .. all good now`
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`00:38.42`	`thul`	`intel c2d is the shit still, right? :-P`
`00:38.44`	`thul`	`for a desktop computer?`
`00:38.49`	`thul`	`adm hasn't got anything worth using? :-P`
`00:39.09`	`kagaro`	`need a critique http://ace.pastey.net/81894`
`00:39.17`	`CIA-10`	`03brimm * r60574 10MyThreat/MyThreat.lua:`
`00:39.17`	`CIA-10`	`MyThreat:`
`00:39.17`	`CIA-10`	`-Fixed a bug with mouse being enabled on a hidden frame.`
`00:40.20`	ag`	`thul: right`
`00:40.31`	`WobWork`	`kebinusan: Agreed`
`00:40.39`	`WobWork`	`although I'm not playing any game so far that doesn't work under wine`
`00:40.44`	`WobWork`	`so I've had no need to install windows =P`
`00:41.19`	`kebinusan`	`the older thief games, I cant play steam games under wine for some reason, and bioshock`
`00:41.42`	Funkeh`	`any good winamp or winamp like gadget for listening to shoutcast?`
`00:42.07`	`thul`	`itunes? :-P`
`00:42.11`	`kebinusan`	`funkeh? you need a gadget for that?`
`00:42.11`	ag`	`winamp itself can listen to shoutcast can't it?`
`00:42.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`shoutcast was made for winamp.....`
`00:42.29`	Funkeh`	`uh. yeah...`
`00:42.46`	Funkeh`	`no duh?`
`00:42.54`	Funkeh`	`maybe re-read my question`
`00:43.13`	`thul`	`NO WE WILL NOT`
`00:43.15`	`thul`	`YOU ARE WRONG`
`00:43.16`	`thul`	`BEGONE`
`00:43.17`	`Jokie`	`WobWork, I went ahead and emailed the address for getting author access to the SVN. Thanks =)`
`00:43.31`	`Arrowmaster`	Funkeh`: foobar2000
`00:43.34`	`[dRaCo]`	`winamp gadget to listen to shoutcast? sorry, but wtf?`
`00:43.41`	`thul`	`in wow? :-P`
`00:43.43`	`Stanzilla`	Funkeh`: http://gallery.live.com/default.aspx?pl=1
`00:43.50`	`Stanzilla`	`maybe you'll find something there`
`00:44.32`	Funkeh`	`Stanzilla, yep thtas what i'm searching now, saw a similar one which didn't wok`
`00:44.42`	`Stanzilla`	`oh ok`
`00:45.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`who is ggcall and somebody kick him for commiting to addons he shouldnt`
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`00:46.40`	`WobWork`	`kebinusan: Portal works sufficiently`
`00:46.58`	`WobWork`	`although I've wondered about how well some of the emulators work for games`
`00:47.07`	Funkeh`	`Arrowmaster, hmm? where? ;p`
`00:47.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`im not telling until i fix it to avoid another flamewar`
`00:47.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`but ive got a raid to get to`
`00:47.53`	`Stanzilla`	`EQCompare?`
`00:48.00`	`kebinusan`	`WobWork: I used to be able to run portal fine lately I only get it crashing when I launch it`
`00:48.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`hush you`
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`00:48.09`	`Stanzilla`	`^^`
`00:48.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`funny thing, he first breaks it by deleting the libs folder, then he bumps the fucking toc`
`00:48.39`	`WobWork`	`kebinusan: =(`
`00:48.43`	`WobWork`	`I haven't tried recently`
`00:48.58`	`WobWork`	`I've been satiating my desire by listening to "Still Alive" on loop =P`
`00:49.10`	`kebinusan`	`hehe`
`00:49.20`	`kebinusan`	`I think I'll go find it on stage6 now that you mention it`
`00:49.46`	`WobWork`	`vgcats did a good version`
`00:50.25`	`WobWork`	`http://www.vgcats.com/comics/extras/stillalive.php`
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`00:52.38`	`WobWork`	`JoCo rocks so much, it's scary`
`00:52.57`	`thul`	`judge of command? :-P`
`00:53.10`	`WobWork`	`Jonothan Coulton`
`00:53.24`	`WobWork`	`Have you played Portal?`
`00:53.58`	`thul`	`no`
`00:54.01`	`CIA-10`	`03ckknight * r60575 10LibDogTag-2.0/LibDogTag-2.0.lua:`
`00:54.01`	`CIA-10`	`LibDogTag-2.0 - add the ability for external addons to add their own tags and modifiers in namespaces, which can be accessed by applying said namespace to their FontStrings.`
`00:54.01`	`CIA-10`	`The provided tags and modifiers are all under "Base", which is automatically added as a namespace for all FontStrings.`
`00:55.38`	`kebinusan`	`yeah, I like alot of his music, its got a great sense of humor`
`00:55.49`	`WobWork`	`thul: Stop.`
`00:55.52`	`WobWork`	`(hammer time)`
`00:55.55`	`WobWork`	`Go and buy it now`
`00:55.57`	`WobWork`	`and play it`
`00:56.01`	`WobWork`	`You will thank me =)`
`00:56.24`	`WobWork`	`kebinusan: We're not unreasonable, it's not like we'll eat your eyes`
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`00:56.48`	`thul`	`haha`
`00:56.50`	`thul`	`what is it? :-P`
`00:56.59`	`WobWork`	`It's a game =)`
`00:57.06`	`WobWork`	`Best. Game. Ever`
`00:57.26`	`WobWork`	`imo the most original well executed game in the last few years`
`00:57.31`	`thul`	`haha`
`00:57.32`	`thul`	`ok:P`
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`00:57.41`	`WobWork`	`www.steampowered.com I think`
`00:57.46`	`WobWork`	`yep`
`00:57.49`	`WobWork`	`and it's cheap`
`00:58.21`	`WobWork`	`kebinusan: Thief Deadly Shadows, what's this?`
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`01:00.43`	`WobWork`	`Is that Thief 4?`
`01:01.55`	`kebinusan`	`havent played deadly shadows acutally`
`01:02.03`	`kebinusan`	`3 r 4`
`01:02.07`	`kebinusan`	`I lost track`
`01:02.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`its 3 i think`
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`01:05.26`	`WobWork`	`Wasn't three the one with the religious templar guys?`
`01:05.36`	`WobWork`	`the technopriests?`
`01:05.42`	`kebinusan`	`2`
`01:05.43`	`kebinusan`	`iron age`
`01:05.48`	`kebinusan`	`I think`
`01:05.49`	`WobWork`	`so confusing`
`01:05.55`	`WobWork`	`but geez`
`01:05.57`	`WobWork`	`$20`
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`01:11.18`	`CIA-10`	`03kaelten * r60576 10cgProfiler/ (cgProfiler.toc npcs/npcs.lua): cgProfiler: more bug fixes`
`01:13.20`	`mikma`	`poop`
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`01:19.13`	`Camci`	`is there any good mail addon?`
`01:19.25`	`Camci`	`or has Gmail been updated or something? didnt work a while ago :p`
`01:19.45`	`JoshBorke`	`i use betterinbox`
`01:19.49`	`JoshBorke`	`but um, i dunon if it's in trunk`
`01:19.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`postal and bulkmail/bulkmailinbox`
`01:20.36`	`Camci`	`just need something that opens all the mails in one click..`
`01:21.04`	`JoshBorke`	`CT_MailMod`
`01:21.33`	`Camci`	`ill try that..`
`01:21.46`	`Bruners`	`postal opens all mails in one click`
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`01:22.16`	`WobWork`	`bulkmail/bmi is fantastic`
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`01:23.30`	`Camci`	`which of those is Ace? :P`
`01:23.38`	`Bruners`	`postal is`
`01:24.28`	`Camci`	`aight thanks alot will try that first`
`01:24.38`	`CIA-10`	`03celellach * r60577 10AtlasLoot_WorldLoot/WorldEvents.en.lua:`
`01:24.38`	`CIA-10`	`AtlasLoot_WorldLoot:`
`01:24.38`	`CIA-10`	`- Added Skettis quest items`
`01:24.43`	`CIA-10`	`03celellach * r60578 10AtlasLoot_OldInstances/original.en.lua:`
`01:24.43`	`CIA-10`	`AtlasLoot_OldInstances:`
`01:24.43`	`CIA-10`	`- Added quest item to BWL`
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`01:25.34`	`CIA-10`	`03celellach * r60579 10AtlasLoot/ (3 files in 3 dirs):`
`01:25.35`	`CIA-10`	`AtlasLoot:`
`01:25.35`	`CIA-10`	`- Fixed loottables to fit Atlas beta`
`01:25.35`	`CIA-10`	`- Added Skettis links`
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`01:43.55`	`KsDra`	`nice, the instance servers on my server crashed`
`01:44.25`	`vithos`	`anybody know if the debuff icon on grid can be moved so it's not centered?`
`01:44.40`	`JoshBorke`	`no`
`01:44.51`	`vithos`	`darn`
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`01:45.06`	`KsDra`	`i put debuffs in the top right corner myself`
`01:45.11`	`vithos`	`i use a 2 line setup and want it to cover the lower line instead of parts of both`
`01:45.22`	`vithos`	`how?`
`01:45.34`	`KsDra`	`i dont use the icon ;)`
`01:45.38`	`vithos`	`ah`
`01:45.47`	`KsDra`	`there is only a few instances where you need to see the icon`
`01:45.53`	`KsDra`	`and those involve warlocks and unstable`
`01:46.04`	`KsDra`	`in which case you better be able to tell when they are affliction :P`
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`01:46.49`	`vithos`	`i can't even dispel any school, i just like it for seeing what's going on if i get curious.`
`01:47.06`	`vithos`	`not school... type`
`01:47.18`	`CIA-10`	`03rabbit * r60580 10NRT/NRT.lua:`
`01:47.18`	`CIA-10`	`NRT:`
`01:47.18`	`CIA-10`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:47.18`	`CIA-10`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:47.18`	`CIA-10`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:47.19`	`CIA-10`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:47.24`	`KsDra`	`yeah, then toss it in the top right, must cleaner :)`
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`01:48.11`	`KsDra`	`either that or make its strata really low`
`01:48.24`	`KsDra`	`so it gets covered when more important things come up`
`01:49.54`	`NivFreak`	`hrmm`
`01:49.58`	`NivFreak`	`I think our feral druids suck at DPS`
`01:50.06`	`NivFreak`	`after looking at some of these WWS`
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`01:50.52`	`NivFreak`	`are cat druids usually able to be top 5 dps?`
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`01:55.04`	`WobWork`	`In a five man? Sure =)`
`01:55.30`	`dylanm`	`In a 25-man? I don't think so.`
`01:55.36`	`WobWork`	`actually as a hemo rogue, I <3 feral druids`
`01:55.44`	`dylanm`	`That's not an expectation, certainly.`
`01:56.14`	`WobWork`	`in between the bleed synergy and imp lotp it's great`
`01:56.40`	`NivFreak`	`well`
`01:56.42`	`NivFreak`	`check these`
`01:56.46`	`NivFreak`	`http://wowwebstats.com/3aeswspomgb4g?s=1261-1539`
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`02:00.33`	`KsDra`	`servers are dropping like crazy :-/`
`02:01.17`	`NivFreak`	`hrm?`
`02:02.24`	`Parnic`	`ckknight or someone knowledgeable with Rock around? I'm getting some jacked-up errors with my addon's Color config page in rock config but it works in waterfall. I can make a pastey of the errors`
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`02:05.56`	`Parnic`	`http://ace.pastey.net/81897`
`02:07.38`	`RaydenUni`	`what's with the canon in shatt?`
`02:07.40`	`RaydenUni`	`it just killed me`
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`02:09.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you mean the one for the faire?`
`02:09.43`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`and it only killed you if you were stupid`
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`02:13.40`	`kenlyric`	`or if you fly with 10 health`
`02:14.08`	`Ellipsis`	`bah, are login servers down or is it my connection?`
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`02:14.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`kenlyric: i think that constitutes being stupid ;)`
`02:14.31`	`kenlyric`	`concedo`
`02:14.35`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Ellipsis: given that you've been going down more than corner whore, I'm going to say it's you`
`02:14.42`	`Ellipsis`	`oh snap`
`02:15.11`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`oh, wait, you ARE a corner whore. i guess that analogy really doesn't work. my apologies.`
`02:15.26`	`Ellipsis`	`I hope you realize I'm terribly offended`
`02:16.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Yeah, I know, it was mean of me to say you couldn't do something more than corner whore, despite being one.`
`02:18.27`	`Ellipsis`	`bah, I'm blaming Blizzard`
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`02:20.55`	`RaydenUni`	`how much shadow dmg for a spriest to go into gruul's?`
`02:21.15`	`NivFreak`	`140`
`02:21.35`	`NivFreak`	`you'd be fine with 800ish`
`02:21.46`	`RaydenUni`	`what is after gruul's?`
`02:21.49`	`NivFreak`	`mag?`
`02:22.00`	`RaydenUni`	`estimate for that?`
`02:22.02`	`NivFreak`	`same`
`02:22.09`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`mag and gruul are comparable, really`
`02:22.13`	`RaydenUni`	`after that? SSC?`
`02:22.21`	`NivFreak`	`there's not that much gear in mag`
`02:22.21`	`NivFreak`	`er`
`02:22.22`	`NivFreak`	`gruul`
`02:22.27`	`NivFreak`	`a couple t4 bits`
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`02:22.37`	`RaydenUni`	`ok, i'll phrase it differently`
`02:22.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`there's not much gear in either`
`02:22.45`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`and most of it is outclassed by za loot`
`02:22.49`	`RaydenUni`	`i have 1080 shadow damage, what dungeons am i equipped for?`
`02:22.52`	`NivFreak`	`if you want to be well prepared for SSC`
`02:22.57`	`NivFreak`	`go for 1000 spelldmg and hit cap`
`02:23.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`RaydenUni: any dungeons a guild is willing to take you to.`
`02:23.05`	`NivFreak`	`it's not like you're going to die if you're low ;)`
`02:24.47`	`NivFreak`	`you'll be fine to go into SSC/TK`
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`02:31.31`	`RaydenUni`	`well this other guildleader said i could join`
`02:31.38`	`RaydenUni`	`farewell my old guild`
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`02:46.51`	`CIA-10`	`03javek * r60581 10Bidder/Looting/lootframe.lua:`
`02:46.51`	`CIA-10`	`Bidder:`
`02:46.51`	`CIA-10`	`-When points are received from DKPmon update itembutton's statustext in case the module displays points data in the itembutton status text.`
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`02:52.49`	`CIA-10`	`03javek * r60582 10DKPmon_BossAuction/ (4 files in 4 dirs):`
`02:52.49`	`CIA-10`	`DKPmon_BossAuction:`
`02:52.49`	`CIA-10`	`-Fix issue where DKPmon was verifying bids using the bidder's points instead of the selected bid character's points`
`02:52.49`	`CIA-10`	`-Don't show TimedPoints entry as a boss`
`02:52.49`	`CIA-10`	`-Changed headings in the boss menu`
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`02:56.24`	`TecnoBrat`	`Antiarc`
`02:56.30`	`TecnoBrat`	`Enough clients?`
`02:56.30`	`TecnoBrat`	`lol`
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`02:57.19`	`mikma`	`kaelten_: http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/ASSBlock/ <- think that's an appropriate name for an addon? :D`
`02:58.28`	`CIA-10`	`03parnic * r60583 10IceHUD/modules/TargetHealth.lua:`
`02:58.28`	`CIA-10`	`IceHUD:`
`02:58.28`	`CIA-10`	`- added configurable raid icons to the target health bar`
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`03:00.04`	`RaydenUni`	`+40 spell dmg enchant doesn't add healign does it?`
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`03:00.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`it should`
`03:00.26`	`vithos`	`zomg 4pc t6`
`03:00.37`	`Paene`	`RaydenUni: yes it does`
`03:00.44`	`mikma`	`kaelten__: omg it's j00`
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`03:35.34`	`Mudkipz`	`so long ago`
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`04:22.20`	`Kivin`	`Is there something i can call in an aceDB3 instance to get the profile name in the format "Name - Realm"?`
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`04:55.25`	`Paene`	`hm...are there any addons that try to track time till death for mobs?`
`04:55.46`	`Diao`	`not that i know of`
`04:55.55`	`Paene`	`I wonder how accurate you could get that to be`
`04:55.55`	`Diao`	`it's toounpredictable generally`
`04:56.14`	`Paene`	`if you based it on HP% lost over time`
`04:56.22`	`Paene`	`you might be able to get a rough estimate`
`04:57.07`	`MySpoons2Big`	`TimeToDie`
`04:57.09`	`MySpoons2Big`	`Does it.`
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`04:57.11`	`Paene`	`the only other way would be to estimate the mob's health and then use that info, I think that would be less accurate though`
`04:58.21`	`MySpoons2Big`	`It's not completely accurate, but it estimates the time until death by timing how long it takes to burn each % of the mob's health.`
`04:58.52`	`Paene`	`yeah`
`04:58.58`	`Paene`	`that's what I was thinking of doing`
`04:59.03`	`Paene`	`but it's apparently already done :-p`
`04:59.47`	`MySpoons2Big`	`Well`
`04:59.50`	`kagaro`	`Tem: ping`
`05:00.11`	`MySpoons2Big`	`The version I have is somewhat.. wierd. For instance, it starts getting confused if the mob heals or resets.`
`05:00.46`	`Paene`	`hm...`
`05:00.49`	`Paene`	`I could see that happening`
`05:01.13`	`Paene`	`you'd get a negative value for the change over time`
`05:01.17`	`Paene`	`which might cause some issues`
`05:01.22`	`Paene`	`depending on how you code it that is`
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`05:02.37`	`Tem`	`kagaro, pong?`
`05:02.40`	`Tem`	`gah, arena`
`05:02.48`	`kagaro`	`can i pm you for a sec`
`05:03.35`	`Tem`	`go for it`
`05:08.00`	`CIA-10`	`03wobin 07Ace3 * r60584 10MrPlow/ (MrPlow.lua PlowEngine.lua): MrPlow - Changing stuff. Still trying to track down the endcase without success.`
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`05:31.01`	`MySpoons2Big`	`HP_Administrator? o.O`
`05:31.58`	`nymbia`	`maybe their login name for their pc?`
`05:38.41`	`MySpoons2Big`	`Yeah, that's what I assumed.`
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`05:42.41`	`CIA-10`	`03kurax * r60585 10SmartQueue/Locale-zhCN.lua:`
`05:42.41`	`CIA-10`	`SmartQueue:`
`05:42.41`	`CIA-10`	`- Reverted last zhCN change. Author should not use dynamic keys for localization tables which would cause AceLocale errors.`
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`06:03.20`	`CIA-10`	`03grayhoof 072.0 * r60586 10Proximo/ (Proximo.lua auras.lua frame.lua options.lua):`
`06:03.20`	`CIA-10`	`Proximo:`
`06:03.20`	`CIA-10`	`- Cleaned up auras`
`06:03.21`	`CIA-10`	`- Made frame grow as enemies added, change to topleft frame placement`
`06:03.21`	`CIA-10`	`- Cleaned up options`
`06:03.21`	`CIA-10`	`- Comms now actually work, yay!`
`06:03.23`	`CIA-10`	`- Cleaned up frame refresh code`
`06:06.38`	`vithos`	`anybody use Baggins_BtmScan? tried to set up categories but they aren't showing up`
`06:08.35`	`vithos`	`actually this probably isn't intended for what i'm trying to use it for`
`06:09.07`	`vithos`	`i want two categories for greens based on "vendor > de" or not`
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`06:13.11`	`Zhinjio`	`Good evening, folks.`
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`06:42.04`	`Pkekyo\|`	`g'morning all`
`06:42.04`	`Pkekyo\|`	`anyone here familliar with �torrent?`
`06:42.14`	`kebinusan`	`yea`
`06:42.28`	`kebinusan`	`bleh I need ot find a new guild`
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`06:42.38`	`Grum`	`Pkekyo\|: yeah sup with it?`
`06:42.48`	`Grum`	`(last time i used it was 2 years ago but i cant imagine it changing)`
`06:42.48`	`Pkekyo\|`	`any idea why it says 'Download Limited' on the bottom?`
`06:42.57`	`Grum`	`prolly because you are firewalled`
`06:43.05`	`Grum`	`and you can prolly click on it?`
`06:43.35`	`Mudkipz`	`utorrent`
`06:43.37`	`Mudkipz`	`oh yes`
`06:43.40`	`Mudkipz`	`don't get the new versions`
`06:44.04`	`Pkekyo\|`	`can't click it...running 1.7.2`
`06:44.05`	`Mudkipz`	`guess what`
`06:44.06`	`kebinusan`	`whats wrong with the new versions?`
`06:44.15`	`Pkekyo\|`	`crash bug`
`06:44.15`	`Mudkipz`	`utorrent is owned by something now`
`06:44.17`	`Mudkipz`	`I forgot`
`06:44.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`owned by bittorrent.com`
`06:44.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`which is inbed with major media studios`
`06:44.37`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Grum: I am firewalled, but the port is properly forwarded...`
`06:44.38`	`Mudkipz`	`and who owns bittorrent .com now`
`06:45.00`	`Grum`	`Pkekyo\|: 'the port' - i remember BT needing more than 1 port ideally`
`06:45.02`	`kebinusan`	`ah, guess I need to try deluge and stop running utorrent on linux`
`06:45.17`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Grum: then why won't it fucking say so? :p`
`06:45.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`if your using linux ive heard good things about ptorrent`
`06:45.42`	`Mudkipz`	`there is a ptorrent? haha`
`06:45.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`bt doesnt need more than one port open`
`06:45.45`	`Grum`	`i dont why you use torrents at all! ><`
`06:45.55`	`Grum`	`torrent are devilseed!`
`06:45.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`theres tons of torrent clients`
`06:46.45`	`Mudkipz`	`personally I went from shadows mod thing, azureus, bitcomet, then settled on utorrent`
`06:47.03`	`Pkekyo\|`	`same, except the shadow mods thingie`
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`06:47.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`shadows to azureus and still using it for me`
`06:47.33`	`Grum`	`ftp>usenet>torrent imho :)`
`06:47.33`	`Mudkipz`	`http://www.linspire.com/shadowsbittorrentclient`
`06:47.42`	`Mudkipz`	`ya this is it ... shadowsbtclient was the name haha`
`06:47.55`	`Mudkipz`	`mod thing.. lol`
`06:47.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`was shadows experimental or something when i used it`
`06:48.08`	`Mudkipz`	`yeah shadows experimental that's it`
`06:48.23`	`Mudkipz`	`oh same thing`
`06:48.27`	`Mudkipz`	`://`
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`07:00.14`	`Xinhuan`	`~reverse [2/8 12:07:26] <Xinhuan> hey Iriel`
`07:00.15`	`Xinhuan`	`[2/8 12:09:33] <Xinhuan> i've done some funky stuff with the DrawLine() code ;p`
`07:00.15`	`Xinhuan`	`[2/8 12:09:36] <Xinhuan> http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp4b.jpg`
`07:00.15`	`Xinhuan`	`[2/8 12:09:55] * Quits: ckknight__ (n=ckknight@adsl-71-141-125-238.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))`
`07:00.16`	`Xinhuan`	`[2/8 12:10:23] <Xinhuan> wondering if it'll be better to trangulate polygons and settexture()/settexcoord() them with shaded-semitransparent textures instead lol`
`07:00.19`	`Xinhuan`	`[2/8 12:10:57] <@Iriel> For the fill?`
`07:00.21`	`Xinhuan`	`[2/8 12:10:59] <Xinhuan> yep`
`07:00.23`	`Xinhuan`	`[2/8 12:11:10] <Xinhuan> its just a lot of drawlines() at the moment`
`07:00.25`	`Xinhuan`	`[2/8 12:11:37] <@Iriel> Yes, it'd be much more efficient to have a solid and a triangular solid but semi-transparent texture`
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`07:00.48`	`Xinhuan`	`that wasn't smart`
`07:00.54`	`ckknight`	`no it was not`
`07:00.59`	`ckknight`	`you pinged me`
`07:01.03`	`ckknight`	`thus you must incur my wrath`
`07:01.04`	`Xinhuan`	`how so`
`07:01.08`	`Xinhuan`	`:o`
`07:01.09`	`Xinhuan`	`~reverse pachome2.pacific.net.sg`
`07:01.11`	`ckknight`	`drop and give me twenty.`
`07:01.57`	`Grum`	`ah hehee`
`07:02.29`	`Xinhuan`	`that was meant to be pasteyed`
`07:02.34`	`Xinhuan`	`and i needed a ~reverse on the url LOL`
`07:02.41`	`Xinhuan`	`and pasted the wrong thing`
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`07:04.49`	`Daemona`	`hmmm PTR Char copy is up?`
`07:04.53`	`Daemona`	`\o/`
`07:05.20`	`Bibi`	`yeah, 2.4 patch is downloading too according to WoR`
`07:05.39`	`Bibi`	`however, considering that the source is a 2 years old blue post related to Burning Crusade, i'm not quite sure about my statement`
`07:05.39`	`Bibi`	`:(`
`07:05.43`	`Daemona`	`well i had 1 copy left, now 4, thats a good sign.`
`07:05.57`	`Bibi`	`they wanted to have it online for today and failed`
`07:06.00`	`Bibi`	`will probably be tomorrow`
`07:06.00`	`Daemona`	`and i can live with a single wasted copy.`
`07:11.50`	`Fisker-`	`OMG`
`07:11.50`	`Fisker-`	`datamining tiems`
`07:11.52`	`Fisker-`	`lol`
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`07:12.04`	`NeoTron`	`well how irritating - some of the items I have have a \| after stats, i.e +30 Strength\|`
`07:12.15`	`NeoTron`	`which breaks pawn's ability to parse it`
`07:12.40`	`NeoTron`	`and it happens with no addons enabled. :-/`
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`07:13.55`	`NeoTron`	`actually.. it happens if I have pawn loaded. funky`
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`07:17.54`	`syeren`	`The new Curse Database is nice :o`
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`07:18.58`	`Pkekyo\|edu`	`g'morning all`
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`07:37.10`	`Camma`	`Morning`
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`07:41.37`	`Pkekyo\|edu`	`this chan really died down in the 10min it took me to get to school :p`
`07:42.09`	`Xinhuan`	`The service youre trying to access is too busy right now, please check back another time.`
`07:42.10`	`Xinhuan`	`argh`
`07:42.14`	`Xinhuan`	`can't copy`
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`07:52.57`	`Daemona`	`hmmm is there a way to delay a chat message from within a simple macro?`
`07:53.25`	`Elkano`	`since you can't delay inside a macro I don't think so...`
`07:53.36`	`Daemona`	`not even chat messages?`
`07:53.43`	`Xinhuan`	`if you use any ace2 addon, or cosmos/khaos addon`
`07:53.45`	`Xinhuan`	`you can do this`
`07:53.50`	`Xinhuan`	`with /in 5 /say blah`
`07:54.19`	`Daemona`	`e.g. /in 30 /p Drums of Battle over -> NEXT`
`07:54.19`	`Daemona`	`?`
`07:54.22`	`Xinhuan`	`yes`
`07:55.06`	`Xinhuan`	`keep in mind that /in is a specific command only in cosmos/khaos or aceevent-2.0`
`07:55.27`	`Daemona`	`k :)`
`07:55.28`	`Xinhuan`	`and can't cast spells for you`
`07:55.39`	`Daemona`	`i just want it for delayed announcments :)`
`07:55.49`	`Daemona`	`like those infamous drum rotations ;)`
`07:56.14`	`Xinhuan`	`or if you use something like bigwigs you could /bwcb 30 My drums`
`07:56.21`	`Xinhuan`	`which syncs a 30 sec bar`
`07:56.30`	`Xinhuan`	`only if you have (A) though`
`07:58.51`	`Elkano`	`hmm... what do you think about an item search based on the data provided by ItemBonusLib?`
`07:59.08`	`Xinhuan`	`Elkano: doable, but computationally intensive`
`07:59.27`	`Xinhuan`	`an interation over 35000 itemIDs will take > 1 minute`
`07:59.47`	`CIA-10`	`03javek * r60587 10DKPmon/ (Localization/deDE.lua Localization/enUS.lua main.lua):`
`07:59.47`	`CIA-10`	`DKPmon:`
`07:59.47`	`CIA-10`	`-Added tooltip for FuBar icon, which shows current dkp lead and the current log`
`07:59.47`	`CIA-10`	`-When DKPmon is enabled assume I'm not the leader (fixes leader indicator icon inconsistancy)`
`07:59.47`	`CIA-10`	`-Added missing translations`
`08:00.00`	`Xinhuan`	`even considering only that only about 12k of those itemIDs are actual items`
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`08:00.24`	`Daemona`	`Xinhuan i doubt at least 20ppl don't want to know my drums are running ;)`
`08:01.03`	`Xinhuan`	`hehe`
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`08:05.51`	`Elkano`	`Xinhuan, well, I've done it before in a local version of ItemDB ^^`
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`08:06.27`	`Xinhuan`	`well its definitely doable, just takes a long time`
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`08:07.37`	`Elkano`	`but you are right, the iteration about 10-20k items (since I 'know' which items are in cache) takes some time the first run when ItemBonusLib parses all their tooltips, although prefiltering with sth like the auction house filters can redouce that number`
`08:09.46`	`Elkano`	`I juts wonder if someone would use it if I create a system where tags like [ARMOR] or [MINDAM>10] evaluate boolean an can be combind in an AND/OR style, maybe even evaluated numerical [EVAl:2[STR] + 2[AGI] > 100]`
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`08:11.41`	`Daemona`	`Elkano i guess that would help people find special gear they are looking for. but honestly, i would rather use wowhead for that :X`
`08:12.28`	`Pkekyo\|edu`	`well, it could certainly be of help to people, but like Daemona said, wowhead can allready do that for you`
`08:15.07`	`Elkano`	`but not with ingame tooltip/preview ;)`
`08:17.52`	`Elkano`	`but I think some advanced search is something that is missing for my ItemDB... or what do you think (in case you know it, if not: test it ;) )`
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`08:19.04`	`Pkekyo\|edu`	`well, maybe it could do with an advanced search feature...`
`08:19.04`	`Pkekyo\|edu`	`I, for one, will still be alt-tabbing and using wowhead though`
`08:20.03`	`Elkano`	`not wowdb? ;)`
`08:20.26`	`Zariel`	`wowdb = win`
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`08:22.27`	`Fisker-`	`damnit`
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`08:32.13`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`aaand.. kaz'rogal down`
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`08:36.00`	`Elkano`	`Fisker-, I do like alk (alcohol), too ;)`
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`08:56.30`	`Xinhuan`	`oh hey, jerry worked out that strings as keys do not get collected ;p`
`08:58.48`	`Daemona`	`on the wowdb topic .... when i hit the filter options for items ... it started to feel like a carbon copy of wowhead...`
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`09:14.57`	`^aDark\|Dareja`	`hi there, anyone knows what spellalert addon this is : http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/3217/saquestionhm8.jpg ?`
`09:16.27`	`thul`	`necb?`
`09:16.30`	`thul`	`is my guess`
`09:16.36`	`^aDark\|Dareja`	`nope :\`
`09:16.38`	`thul`	`necb + parrot :-P`
`09:16.38`	`thul`	`no?`
`09:17.09`	`Civrock`	`That´s not NECB.`
`09:17.20`	`Civrock`	`It's an addon connected to Proximo.`
`09:17.35`	`^aDark\|Dareja`	`no dont mean proxd`
`09:17.41`	`^aDark\|Dareja`	`mean that in the middle of the screen`
`09:17.42`	`Recluse`	`black circle = parrot`
`09:17.48`	`Civrock`	`That might be Parrot or so.`
`09:17.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`its not parrot`
`09:17.52`	`[Ammo]`	`or mik's`
`09:17.53`	`^aDark\|Dareja`	`icon spell player name`
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`09:18.25`	`^aDark\|Dareja`	`though it could be a new version of spellalert connected with an output addon like parrot or sct`
`09:18.26`	`thul`	`so i was 50% right? great`
`09:18.27`	`thul`	`:-P`
`09:18.29`	`^aDark\|Dareja`	`but didnt find yet`
`09:18.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`its probably a custom addon`
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`09:20.17`	`^aDark\|Dareja`	`so no clue ? :\`
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`09:25.25`	`Pkekyo\|edu`	`people've been on and on about that specific UI in this chan for days now`
`09:26.10`	`^aDark\|Dareja`	`:<`
`09:26.22`	`^aDark\|Dareja`	`the other stuff is realy simple`
`09:26.28`	`^aDark\|Dareja`	`but that spellalert ...`
`09:26.33`	`^aDark\|Dareja`	`just cant find it`
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`09:36.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`like i said, its probably a custom mod meaning you will never find it`
`09:37.45`	`thul`	`maybe westcoast choppers?`
`09:37.47`	`thul`	`made it?`
`09:38.26`	`Pkekyo\|edu`	`most likely, yes...we all know the tetuls are keen programmers`
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`09:39.56`	`CIA-10`	`03oridan * r60589 10SpellReminder/SpellReminder.lua:`
`09:39.56`	`CIA-10`	`SpellReminder:`
`09:39.56`	`CIA-10`	`- fix applications`
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`09:41.18`	`[Ammo]`	`Arrowmaster: or it's Mik's with custom triggers`
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`09:41.25`	`[Ammo]`	`Arrowmaster: MSBT can do that`
`09:41.31`	`Zackamabufoo`	`Hey guys, i have a quick question =]`
`09:42.35`	`Zackamabufoo`	`What's a good tooltip addon? I'm looking for something that will change my tooltip to follow my cursor, as well as change my Character screen, i know there's an addon out there somewhere that does this but i don't know the name of it ='[`
`09:42.38`	`thul`	`:-P`
`09:42.41`	`thul`	`~ask to ask`
`09:42.42`	`purl`	`Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! Omit any irrelevant details. If nobody answers then we don't know or are busy for a few minutes. Wait and don't bug us. If you must ask again wait until new people have joined the channel.`
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`09:43.08`	`Zackamabufoo`	`Can anyone help me with this?`
`09:43.13`	`^aDark\|Dareja`	`cowtip`
`09:43.14`	`^aDark\|Dareja`	`is great`
`09:43.24`	`^aDark\|Dareja`	`or tinytip`
`09:43.42`	`Zackamabufoo`	`hmm, do both of those change your Charcater screen?`
`09:43.53`	`^aDark\|Dareja`	`well following your mouse both can do`
`09:44.00`	`^aDark\|Dareja`	`dont know what ya mean with char screen`
`09:44.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`why would a tooltip mod change your character screen`
`09:44.06`	`Zackamabufoo`	`Hmm it's hard to explain lol`
`09:44.17`	`Zackamabufoo`	`lol it was just something i saw in someone's UI pack about a year ago`
`09:44.38`	`Zackamabufoo`	`But yeah thanks for that =]`
`09:44.54`	`^aDark\|Dareja`	`ya mean those grandiand thing ?`
`09:45.06`	`^aDark\|Dareja`	`black to grey and stuff ?`
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`09:46.49`	`Zackamabufoo`	`hmm idk`
`09:47.24`	`Zackamabufoo`	`Does tinytip or cowtip tell you like the %crit %hit and stuff on items that you hover over?`
`09:47.44`	`Gngsk`	`Zackamabufoo, RatingBuster`
`09:47.59`	`Zackamabufoo`	`Thank you =] Sry for being such a noob`
`09:48.12`	`Zackamabufoo`	`Been playing wow for awhile, just now getting into a bunch of custom tooltip`
`09:48.17`	`Zackamabufoo`	`Addon's*`
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`09:53.12`	`SunTsu`	`Anybody else having problems logging in into armory?`
`09:53.30`	`Zackamabufoo`	`Eh i always have problems with it`
`09:53.47`	`Zackamabufoo`	`Lol i hate to ask another questino, but can anyone help me with an IRC question? I just downloaded it`
`09:54.04`	`SunTsu`	`Zackamabufoo: IRC?`
`09:54.19`	`FinalX`	`SunTsu: Kind of retorical question eh :) Armory and problems... psah :)`
`09:54.26`	`SunTsu`	`.o0( Downloading IRC would be quite big - he must have a hell of a connection )`
`09:54.39`	`Zackamabufoo`	`Mirc lol`
`09:54.58`	`FinalX`	`I'm a big fan of "don't ask to ask, just ask and wait for the answer" :P`
`09:55.10`	`SunTsu`	`FinalX: Well, I always was able to log into it if it responded at all ;)`
`09:55.22`	`SunTsu`	`FinalX: So is nearly everybody else ;)`
`09:55.36`	`FinalX`	`..otherwise you get a conversation of people waiting 10 minutes for eachother's answers/questions :)`
`09:55.58`	`Zackamabufoo`	`But yeah, i' trying to log onto my realm's irc channel, and i have the url thingy, and i have a channel name but i can't seem to connect,`
`09:56.12`	`Zackamabufoo`	`i dont have a port #`
`09:56.15`	`SunTsu`	`Well, more than that, nobody will know if one can help if the problem is unknown`
`09:56.48`	`SunTsu`	`Zackamabufoo: So you want us to guess it for you?`
`09:56.55`	`Zackamabufoo`	`Do you NEED one?`
`09:57.00`	`Zackamabufoo`	`There isn't like a default or anything?`
`09:57.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`there is a default`
`09:57.24`	`Zackamabufoo`	`=O Can i be enlightened please?`
`09:57.25`	`SunTsu`	`Zackamabufoo: Well 6666-6669 are the normal range with 6667 being default`
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`09:57.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`6666-6669, 7000 are the common ones`
`09:57.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`but 6667 is the default`
`09:58.01`	`SunTsu`	`Zackamabufoo: You might want to read IRC FAQs - there are lots of them, most very good`
`09:58.18`	`FinalX`	`the funny thing with defaults is that you dont need to add it, because it's default.`
`09:58.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`whats the network that the channel you want to join is on?`
`09:58.44`	`Zackamabufoo`	`irc.mmoirc.com`
`09:58.45`	`FinalX`	`or rather, what's the url? :p`
`09:58.51`	`cncfanatics`	`good morning everyone`
`09:58.59`	`SunTsu`	`Hey cncfanatics`
`09:59.01`	`Zackamabufoo`	`monring =]`
`09:59.04`	`Zackamabufoo`	`Morning*`
`09:59.24`	`cncfanatics`	`Zackamabufoo: nice nick :p`
`09:59.33`	`Zackamabufoo`	`Lol thanks,`
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`09:59.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`theres no irc server there that i can see`
`09:59.56`	`Diao`	`uhh`
`10:00.08`	`Zackamabufoo`	`=/`
`10:00.10`	`Diao`	`there should be`
`10:00.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`well not on default port`
`10:00.13`	`Diao`	`wowradio apparently uses it`
`10:00.18`	`Zackamabufoo`	`I was going to say, i think there should be`
`10:00.41`	`Diao`	`works just fine for me`
`10:00.46`	`SunTsu`	`Zackamabufoo: you might simply ask in your realm's forum`
`10:00.57`	`Diao`	`/server irc.mmoirc.com -j #channelname`
`10:00.59`	`Diao`	`type that`
`10:01.00`	`Diao`	`er`
`10:01.09`	`Diao`	`/server -m irc.mmoirc.com -j #channelname`
`10:01.12`	`Diao`	`to not disconnect from this one`
`10:01.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`try us.wowirc.com`
`10:01.57`	`Zackamabufoo`	`It worked =]`
`10:01.59`	`Zackamabufoo`	`Thanks Diao!`
`10:02.04`	`Diao`	`np`
`10:02.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah irc.mmoirc.com does not work for me but us.wowirc.com does`
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`10:04.10`	`SunTsu`	`Well, the problem is, the name resolves to three IP addresses, not every one of rthem having an IRC server on them`
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`10:05.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`i think only one of them is running a server`
`10:07.12`	`SunTsu`	`82.211.6.33 is running the server`
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`10:08.10`	`thul`	`127.0.0.1?`
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`10:09.51`	`SunTsu`	`216.129.110.6 too`
`10:10.06`	`SunTsu`	`So you have a 2/3 chance to get one`
`10:11.09`	`CIA-10`	`03oridan * r60590 10SpellReminder/SpellReminder.lua:`
`10:11.09`	`CIA-10`	`SpellReminder:`
`10:11.09`	`CIA-10`	`- attempt to recover old bar group positions`
`10:11.09`	`CIA-10`	`- stop "nudging" group positions on reloadui`
`10:12.04`	`FRUCHT`	`does anybody else have this bug with aloft where cast bars won't be displayed properly?`
`10:12.16`	`CIA-10`	`03quezacolt * r60591 10/tags/Checklist2/ (14 files in 3 dirs): Checklist2: Initial commit into tags`
`10:12.20`	`FRUCHT`	`i couldn't find anything on the forums`
`10:13.38`	`durcyn`	`Quezacolt: er, why are you committing into tags`
`10:14.57`	`Quezacolt`	`not ready to release it yet`
`10:15.07`	`Quezacolt`	`kinda new to the SVN stuff, sorry >.<`
`10:15.32`	`Fisker-`	`that should be in branches :)`
`10:15.48`	`durcyn`	`should be in trunk tbh, but that damn zip script made a mess of things`
`10:16.06`	`durcyn`	`most ass backwards source control ever...`
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`10:22.05`	`CIA-10`	`03quezacolt * r60592 10/branches/Checklist2/ (13 files in 2 dirs): Checklist2: Initial commit into branches`
`10:22.17`	`Quezacolt`	`thanks for the tips :)`
`10:24.42`	`MySpoons2Big`	`A druid in my guild told me tonight that oRA2's Cooldown Monitor still reports his Rebirth as having a 30 minute cooldown even though it was reduced to a 20 minute cooldown in patch 2.3. Should that be happening?`
`10:25.03`	`[Ammo]`	`your druids suck and need to learn to uodate`
`10:25.05`	`[Ammo]`	`update`
`10:26.38`	`MySpoons2Big`	`Well, I knew he sucks.`
`10:26.52`	`MySpoons2Big`	`s/knew/know/`
`10:26.58`	`[Ammo]`	`point him to files.wowace.com`
`10:27.02`	`[Ammo]`	`and telll him to get a new version`
`10:27.21`	`MySpoons2Big`	`Yeah -- will do. Thanks.`
`10:30.50`	`Health`	`Mmm. Sucky druids.`
`10:31.32`	`MySpoons2Big`	`I'm not a fan of druids.. they're putting me out of a job. :-(`
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`10:36.31`	`MySpoons2Big`	`You know your schedule is screwed up when you watch your local news station's evening broadcast and tune into their "daybreak" broadcast before you go to bed.`
`10:38.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`that would sound normal to me if i watched the news`
`10:38.33`	`durcyn`	`MySpoons2Big: the cooldowns are transmitted by the person casting the spell, as per the original ctra protocol, i.e. "CD 1 30"`
`10:39.10`	`durcyn`	`except it ain't 30 anymore`
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`10:42.55`	`CIA-10`	`03zariel * r60593 10Vengance/crit.lua:`
`10:42.55`	`CIA-10`	`Vengance:`
`10:42.55`	`CIA-10`	`- Tidied up heal tracking`
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`10:45.33`	`Elsia`	`heya`
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`10:55.00`	`Pkekyo\|edu`	`hi`
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`11:03.26`	`mort`	`o`
`11:03.43`	`Maldivia`	`O`
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`11:05.52`	`Pharod`	`Quick macro question.`
`11:06.04`	`Dezzimal`	`quick macro answer`
`11:06.14`	`Camci`	`o.O`
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`11:06.37`	`Pharod`	`Is there a way to accept a quest you have in a window using a command? Not actually click on the NPC, just accept and handin?`
`11:06.53`	`Camci`	`no`
`11:07.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`meaning you already have the quest window open?`
`11:07.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`or not`
`11:07.07`	`Pharod`	`Yeah.`
`11:07.13`	`Pharod`	`It's open.`
`11:07.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes`
`11:07.21`	`Pharod`	`How?`
`11:07.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`AcceptQuest()`
`11:08.00`	`Pharod`	`Righto, will try.`
`11:08.25`	`Camci`	`lazy are we? :P`
`11:08.37`	`Pharod`	`No, mouse it stuck.`
`11:08.41`	`Pharod`	`Is.`
`11:08.48`	`Camci`	`lol :p`
`11:09.04`	`Pharod`	`I can click on the NPC by manuevering the view.`
`11:09.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol`
`11:09.23`	`Camci`	`::D`
`11:09.54`	`Pharod`	`On a related thing, how do you close the error window?`
`11:10.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`escape?`
`11:11.00`	`Orionshock`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:11.04`	`Pharod`	`Thankyou.`
`11:11.09`	`Pharod`	`Escape works.`
`11:11.38`	`Pharod`	`I might look into this further, seems interesting.`
`11:11.46`	`Pharod`	`That manuel up there any good?`
`11:11.57`	`Pharod`	`In the MOTD?`
`11:13.08`	`Orionshock`	`good question..`
`11:13.19`	`Orionshock`	`clad\|office: the book, any good?`
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`11:17.00`	`Pharod`	`Oh, also, can you choose flights by scripts?`
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`11:18.48`	`Pharod`	`Agh. Went alll the way to Ancestral Grounds without the clefthoof.`
`11:19.04`	`Pharod`	`Can you grab stuff from the bank?`
`11:19.34`	`Fisker-`	`no`
`11:19.38`	`Fisker-`	`unless you're at the bank`
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`11:19.44`	`Pharod`	`Well, yeah.`
`11:19.49`	`Pharod`	`Headed there now.`
`11:19.52`	`Srosh`	`~seen xbeeps`
`11:19.56`	`purl`	`xbeeps <n=xbeeps@2603ds1-giu.0.fullrate.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 18h 56m 55s ago, saying: 'does anyone know what timezone ckknight is in, or when he might be on?'.`
`11:20.25`	`Pharod`	`But can you? I have the item in question.`
`11:20.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah`
`11:20.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont know what youll need to type though`
`11:21.46`	`Pharod`	`Damn.`
`11:22.12`	`Pharod`	`Any online script listings, so I can leave all you learned people alone, perhaps?`
`11:22.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API`
`11:23.54`	`CIA-10`	`03zariel * r60594 10Vengance/crit.lua:`
`11:23.54`	`CIA-10`	`Vengance:`
`11:23.54`	`CIA-10`	`- Tables should have values`
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`11:25.07`	`vhaarr`	`I thought it was spelled "Vengeance".`
`11:25.42`	`Zariel`	`no idea tbh, didnt look it up`
`11:25.51`	`Zariel`	`probally should have an e after g`
`11:27.29`	`Pharod`	`Arrow, says not there. More acurrately, doesn't have one in the 5 bank functions.`
`11:27.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`you access banks like bags`
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`11:28.29`	`Pharod`	`There isn't a withdraw command, though.`
`11:28.47`	`Pharod`	`What about /use whatever?`
`11:29.14`	`Pharod`	`No, evidently now.`
`11:29.17`	`Pharod`	`Not.`
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`11:29.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`you need to use one of the functions for picking up items in your bags to pick it up`
`11:29.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`i think`
`11:30.01`	`Pharod`	`You'd think thatd just getting the daily cooking quest done would be easier than this, eh?`
`11:30.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`then use the function again on a different spot to drop it into your bag`
`11:30.29`	`Zariel`	`You can only move 3 things a time before the server looses sync`
`11:30.32`	`Orionshock`	`Pharod: get a mouse?`
`11:32.10`	`Elsia`	`hmm anyone understand if COMBAT_LOG_EVENT will actually already provide the arguments or if you still need to poll for them with ComatLogSetCurrentEntry(1)?`
`11:32.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`no clue elsia, the stuff with the replaying the events is weird`
`11:33.21`	`Pharod`	`What's BadID and how do I find it?`
`11:33.25`	`Pharod`	`BagID.`
`11:33.41`	`Pharod`	`Orion, would I be doing this if I did?`
`11:33.54`	`Pharod`	`It's stuck in the middle of the screen.`
`11:34.01`	`Pharod`	`Can click, but not move.`
`11:34.03`	`Elsia`	`slouken isn't real clear about a lot of important detail here :P`
`11:34.18`	`Orionshock`	`Pharod: you have windows right? enable the handicap stuff`
`11:34.37`	`Pharod`	`There a handican mouse thing? Though it was just a keyboard.`
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`11:34.48`	`Orionshock`	`yep`
`11:34.58`	`Pharod`	`Where?`
`11:35.07`	`Orionshock`	`ah.. xp / vista?`
`11:35.13`	`Pharod`	`Xp.`
`11:35.41`	`Pharod`	`Vista is slightly more evil, so I avoid it.`
`11:35.44`	`Orionshock`	`eh... not clue`
`11:35.55`	`Orionshock`	`it's there tho, mouse keys in handicap stuff?`
`11:36.05`	`Pharod`	`Don't think there is one.`
`11:36.16`	`Orionshock`	`i know there is one`
`11:36.22`	`Pharod`	`Got a magnifier and a onscreen keyboard is all.`
`11:36.36`	`Pharod`	`Oh, and a narrator.`
`11:36.38`	`Orionshock`	`control pannels noob`
`11:37.21`	`Pharod`	`Can't click them witout a mouse.`
`11:37.29`	`Orionshock`	`use tab`
`11:37.32`	`Pharod`	`Control panel isn't like other folders.`
`11:37.35`	`Pharod`	`Tried that.`
`11:37.42`	`Pharod`	`Nevermind.`
`11:37.44`	`Zariel`	`bah new CP = fail`
`11:37.45`	`Orionshock`	`alt tab to window`
`11:38.28`	`Pharod`	`Orion, working now.`
`11:38.30`	`Pharod`	`Thanks.`
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`11:45.30`	`kebinusan`	`anyone played age of conan beta?`
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`11:48.09`	`Fisker-`	`Recluse of course`
`11:48.42`	`Recluse`	`Fisker-: errrrr, i mean... to exalted lol`
`11:49.13`	`Recluse`	`incomplete question there (coffee is in process of brewing)`
`11:49.31`	`kebinusan`	`Recluse: yes`
`11:50.01`	`Recluse`	`ty`
`11:53.16`	`sica`	`uhm, how do I modifiy the font-size/scale with LigDogTag-2.0? I want to make the first line of text larger as the other in CowTip`
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`11:59.19`	`Orionshock`	`sica: that's f'n with the tool tip... dangerous thing to do`
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`12:01.06`	`sica`	`Orionshock: hm, okay, why?`
`12:02.14`	`Orionshock`	`one does not just cassualy futz with the tooltip. :D`
`12:02.28`	`sica`	`so tooltips aren't supposed to have different font-sizes in it?`
`12:02.48`	`Orionshock`	`line 1 is larger, the rest all are smaller and the same`
`12:06.42`	`Daemona`	`pure win ... Keias has quit IRC ("But if I use my mouse to turn how do I click on Rend?")`
`12:06.59`	`Diao`	`wow`
`12:07.02`	`Diao`	`fuck shadowstep rogues :(`
`12:07.20`	`Diao`	`it's stupid that they can stay on a healer around a pillar`
`12:07.47`	`Daemona`	`ask wanna know how rogues feel when standing in a specced slow trap?`
`12:07.58`	`Diao`	`i'm a warrior`
`12:08.05`	`Diao`	`i can't catch anything around a pillar`
`12:08.11`	`Orionshock`	`Diao: play a druid ya poor warrior bastard :P`
`12:08.12`	`Diao`	`"not in line of sight, target is too close"`
`12:08.14`	`Diao`	`repeat x 50`
`12:08.20`	`Diao`	`while rogues just lolstep to victory`
`12:08.47`	`Diao`	`druids are amazing.. just go resto :P`
`12:09.50`	`sica`	`it's funny how resto druids discovered they are imbalanced in arena`
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`12:10.01`	`Dezzimal`	`http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8196077 Sgt. Doakes dead, again :(`
`12:11.13`	`CIA-10`	`03kurax * r60595 10CCBreaker/ (CCBreaker.toc Locale-zhCN.lua): CCBreaker: Added zhCN locale`
`12:14.34`	`Pheredhel`	`if kurax is here: thanks`
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`12:26.01`	`CIA-10`	`03xinhuan 07Taboo * r60596 10Routes/Routes.lua: Routes: Attaching/detaching a taboo region to a route now correctly adds/removes nodes from the route to/from the taboo list. This is a reverse-able process.`
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`12:45.59`	`Daemona`	`yup`
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`13:02.42`	`Daemona`	`uhm anyone recall that page that had all those accumulated patch notes, searchable, sortable by class etc ?`
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`13:04.00`	`Xinhuan`	`wowwiki?`
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`13:12.03`	`[SW]Dodge`	`is it possible to detect if a player /join'ed or /leave'ed a chat channel and then refresh the options table for AceConfig3?`
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`13:13.48`	`Uhuru`	`Hi`
`13:14.22`	`Xinhuan`	`dodge, yes`
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`13:14.29`	`Uhuru`	`get this error in loop this last update`
`13:14.30`	`Uhuru`	`[2008/02/08 14:15:12-1475-x460]: ItemBonusLib-1.0-60588:766: attempt to index local 'set' (a nil value) ---`
`13:14.30`	`nomenquis`	`hi, does someone else have the c stack overflow in the latest libdogtag and / or knows how to fix it? :)`
`13:15.14`	`[SW]Dodge`	`ok, how to update the optionstable i know now but how i can detect /join or /leave?`
`13:15.37`	`Xinhuan`	`to update the optionstable, you just modify the options table directly`
`13:15.39`	`Uhuru`	`i think this is postal who make this error cause this is when i open my mailbox`
`13:15.42`	`Xinhuan`	`to make AceConfig redraw it on screen`
`13:15.57`	`Xinhuan`	`you tell acegui to do it via a SendMessage i think`
`13:16.14`	`Tupsi`	`I just saw a Solarian video with the screen tainting blue when you get that wrath/bomb debuff. Is that a BigWigs feature or some other addon? Anybody knows?`
`13:16.14`	`Xinhuan`	`to detect ppl join/leaving channel, ask the channel experts`
`13:16.46`	`[SW]Dodge`	`who are these?`
`13:16.47`	`vhaarr`	`Tupsi: options -> Extras -> Flash'N'Shake`
`13:16.52`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't know`
`13:16.57`	`Tupsi`	`thanks!`
`13:16.59`	`Xinhuan`	`its probably just a standard channel message`
`13:17.00`	`Xinhuan`	`and you parse it`
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`13:17.09`	`Xinhuan`	`like any other chat channel event`
`13:17.09`	`Zariel`	`Im guna get inside of ya, guna wear you like a glove`
`13:17.13`	`[SW]Dodge`	`and not ppl leave/join... if I join/leave`
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`13:22.00`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Xinhuan: if you want to know how it works: REgisterEvent("CHANNEL_UI_UPDATE")`
`13:22.10`	`Xinhuan`	`ah cool`
`13:22.15`	`Xinhuan`	`although i doubt i would ever need this event`
`13:22.35`	`[SW]Dodge`	`hehe :)`
`13:23.04`	`[SW]Dodge`	`now i'll look if i find a way to force a redraw of the config dialog :)`
`13:23.16`	`Xinhuan`	`you can`
`13:23.17`	`Xinhuan`	`easily`
`13:23.34`	`[SW]Dodge`	`how?`
`13:23.42`	`Xinhuan`	`LibStub("AceConfigRegistry-3.0"):NotifyChange("AddonName")`
`13:23.54`	`Xinhuan`	`is the official method`
`13:23.55`	`[SW]Dodge`	`coot thx`
`13:23.56`	`[SW]Dodge`	`cool*`
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`13:24.41`	`Xinhuan`	`note that you do not need to call this when an option is changed within acegui`
`13:24.50`	`Xinhuan`	`because acegui is smart enough to do it automatically`
`13:25.01`	`Xinhuan`	`you only need to do it when an external event/source changes an option`
`13:25.42`	`Xinhuan`	`i like this post`
`13:25.46`	`Xinhuan`	`title: No Mouse Wheel`
`13:25.47`	`[SW]Dodge`	`yes, i'll change the optins table within my eventhandker of CHANNEL_UI_UPDATE :)`
`13:26.03`	`Xinhuan`	`contents of post: My mouse does not have a mouse wheel, so how do I change the scale?`
`13:26.07`	`Xinhuan`	`---`
`13:26.19`	`Xinhuan`	`we are mind readers obviously!`
`13:26.23`	`vhaarr`	`I am`
`13:26.37`	`vhaarr`	`he's asking how to scale the cartographer map without a mouse wheel`
`13:26.51`	`Xinhuan`	`i wouldn't know`
`13:27.02`	`Xinhuan`	`it could be changing the scale of anything in the damn ui`
`13:27.11`	`Xinhuan`	`or an icon size of some carto plugin`
`13:27.23`	`vhaarr`	`he posted it in the Cartographer forum :P`
`13:27.33`	`Xinhuan`	`yeah could be just about any plugin!`
`13:27.52`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Message: ..\AddOns\CoolDownButtons\config.lua line 262: attempt to call method 'NotifyChange' (a nil value)`
`13:28.04`	`[SW]Dodge`	`LibStub("AceConfigDialog-3.0"):NotifyChange("CoolDown Buttons")`
`13:28.23`	`[SW]Dodge`	`ah lol registery-.-`
`13:28.32`	`[SW]Dodge`	`<- nooob -.-'`
`13:28.36`	`[SW]Dodge`	`damn :D`
`13:29.33`	`Xinhuan`	`you must use the same string you registered it with`
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`13:30.02`	`[SW]Dodge`	`yea and i must use ConfigRegisterey not config dialog :/`
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`13:30.44`	`[SW]Dodge`	`copied my :Open() line and missed to change dialog-> registery :D`
`13:31.07`	`Xinhuan`	`my usual code for registering is just this`
`13:31.07`	`Xinhuan`	`LibStub("AceConfigRegistry-3.0"):RegisterOptionsTable("Routes", options)`
`13:31.08`	`Xinhuan`	`self:RegisterChatCommand(L["routes"], function() LibStub("AceConfigDialog-3.0"):Open("Routes") end)`
`13:31.22`	`[SW]Dodge`	`i know ;)`
`13:31.36`	`Xinhuan`	`where "options" is my options table and L["routes"] == "/routes"`
`13:31.49`	`[Ammo]`	`localized slashcommand ftl`
`13:31.50`	`[Ammo]`	`:p`
`13:31.56`	`[Ammo]`	`type /routes`
`13:31.59`	`[Ammo]`	`'but I don't have that'`
`13:31.59`	`[SW]Dodge`	`i learned howto aceconfig3 with help of Gathermate code :D`
`13:32.01`	`[Ammo]`	`:)`
`13:32.06`	`Xinhuan`	`its actually localized to the same string in every language`
`13:32.21`	`Xinhuan`	`which is "/routes"`
`13:32.25`	`Xinhuan`	`so i guess that's a bit redundant`
`13:32.40`	`[Ammo]`	`it is now`
`13:32.44`	`Ted`	`Elsia: Thank you thank you thank you for the deletion patch from a couple of days ago. It's awesome.`
`13:32.48`	`[Ammo]`	`until some of the translator geeks get their hands on it`
`13:32.58`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Xinhuan: while in branche for deDE it was /routen .(`
`13:33.05`	`Xinhuan`	`indeed`
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`13:35.03`	`Fisker-`	`wanna fight about it?`
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`13:35.16`	`Fisker-`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=2406049516&sid=1#3 <-obvious trolling btw :D`
`13:35.25`	`CIA-10`	`03jerry * r60597 10ItemBonusLib/ItemBonusLib-1.0/ItemBonusLib-1.0.lua: ItemBonusLib-1.0: bugfix`
`13:36.18`	`CIA-10`	`03xinhuan 07Taboo * r60598 10Routes/Routes.lua: Routes: Moved some code around. Deleting taboo regions will now correctly remove it from all routes that use it. Editing a taboo region will now correctly update all routes that use it. In short, everything works now.`
`13:36.22`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm kinda wordy today huh`
`13:36.42`	`Elsia`	`ted: glad you like it`
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`13:37.11`	`Ted`	`Was looking to do something similar myself. Glad you beat me too it.`
`13:37.22`	`Xinhuan`	`cladhaire`
`13:37.26`	`cladhaire`	`yes`
`13:37.31`	`Xinhuan`	`wanna write a lightheaded plugin for routes? :D`
`13:37.45`	`cladhaire`	`not really, why`
`13:37.52`	`Xinhuan`	`because it could be good`
`13:37.57`	`cladhaire`	`the coordinates dont' have zone information`
`13:38.03`	`cladhaire`	`and they're sometimes all over the place`
`13:38.13`	`Xinhuan`	`well, what Routes requires is`
`13:38.16`	`cladhaire`	`i suppose if you get me the information i'll look at it.`
`13:38.22`	`Xinhuan`	`my addon queries your addon for a given zone`
`13:38.25`	`Daemona`	`then go regenerate lightheaded data with zone info !`
`13:38.28`	`Xinhuan`	`say Netherstorm`
`13:38.33`	`cladhaire`	`Daemona: .... I can't.`
`13:38.36`	`Daemona`	`dont be so lazy ;)`
`13:38.41`	`Daemona`	`pfff ... can't`
`13:38.43`	`cladhaire`	`Daemona: how on earth do you propose I do that?`
`13:38.54`	`Xinhuan`	`your addon replies me with a list of nodes in this zone, and each node has a given "type" (like felweed, etc), for quests, the "type" will be unique`
`13:39.03`	`Daemona`	`a teacher once told me... there is no "can't" there only is "can't yet"`
`13:39.08`	`Xinhuan`	`then user selects what "type"s he wants to make a route out of`
`13:39.16`	`cladhaire`	`Xinhuan: I can't give you information by zone, so doesn't look promising.`
`13:39.16`	`Daemona`	`general approach? query wowhead for the zone of the quest?`
`13:39.18`	`Xinhuan`	`and voila! closed looped route created`
`13:39.27`	`Daemona`	`would solve 95% of the problem`
`13:39.33`	`Xinhuan`	`awwww, it has so much potential`
`13:39.40`	`[SW]Dodge`	`options.args.enablechan??.name (?? = numbers from 1-5) can i just use options.args["enablechan"..i].name in a loop?`
`13:39.40`	`cladhaire`	`Daemona: bad heuristics are so much worse than humans`
`13:40.03`	`chexsum`	`routes ruins the adventurous effect of wow!`
`13:40.06`	`Xinhuan`	`lightheaded could potentially supply a list of "quests coords that you can do" + the town turnin point as the nodes`
`13:40.26`	`cladhaire`	`No, I don't really have an interest in doing this at this point`
`13:40.29`	`Daemona`	`chexsum go play on a rp realm ;)`
`13:40.37`	`cladhaire`	`if i wanted to, it would be a full scale database of quest objectives linked to quests`
`13:40.40`	`cladhaire`	`i.e. questhelper`
`13:40.42`	`chexsum`	`rp is where i started`
`13:40.45`	`cladhaire`	`which already does its own routes`
`13:40.53`	`cladhaire`	`I'm definitely don't want to get into that business`
`13:41.03`	`cladhaire`	`my relationship with wowhead is tenuous enough as it is.`
`13:41.14`	`Xinhuan`	`heh`
`13:41.14`	`Daemona`	`and even then you could sit at the camp fire, both open your maps and tell your friend here, i gonna draw you the way to xyz onto your map by sending waypoint with routes`
`13:41.16`	`Xinhuan`	`where do you get your data from?`
`13:41.22`	`cladhaire`	`Xinhuan: its all farmed from wowhead`
`13:41.33`	`Xinhuan`	`is that an issue with wowhead people?`
`13:41.35`	`cladhaire`	`initially with their permission`
`13:41.43`	`cladhaire`	`unclear`
`13:41.48`	`cladhaire`	`their position keeps changing`
`13:42.10`	`cladhaire`	`but no, I don't really have plans to make my addon compete with QuestHelper`
`13:42.16`	`Xinhuan`	`:o`
`13:42.20`	`cladhaire`	`I don't see a need for it, since the user can just simply download QUestHelper`
`13:42.29`	`cladhaire`	`LH still provides the information its supposed to`
`13:42.55`	`cladhaire`	`I prefer to keep things simple`
`13:43.04`	`cladhaire`	`and LH has already gotten bigger than I would have hoped, complexity-wise`
`13:43.04`	`Xinhuan`	`who wrote questhelper?`
`13:43.11`	`cladhaire`	`some bloke`
`13:43.33`	`cladhaire`	`but it does exactly what you're proposing.`
`13:43.35`	`cladhaire`	`without routes`
`13:43.45`	`cladhaire`	`and without being able to select the type of nodes you want a route for`
`13:44.02`	`cladhaire`	`http://repo.or.cz/w/QuestHelper.git`
`13:44.21`	`mikma`	`LightHelper lololo`
`13:44.31`	`cladhaire`	`could be done`
`13:44.48`	`cladhaire`	`but again, i don't really feel like playing games with wowhead`
`13:44.54`	`cladhaire`	`them changing the formats on me, etc.`
`13:45.11`	`cladhaire`	`and i'd need to farm quite a large portion of their database in order to make a good LightHelper`
`13:45.22`	`cladhaire`	`not really something I'm interested in`
`13:45.39`	`cladhaire`	`but as always, i'm open to dsicussion`
`13:45.46`	`cladhaire`	`especially when i'm in the shower`
`13:45.58`	`kenlyric`	`tourguide provides much of that quest information`
`13:46.53`	`mikma`	`yay golden shower`
`13:47.04`	`Xinhuan`	`wanna provide a routes plugin for tourguide? ^^`
`13:47.10`	`Xinhuan`	`we can make out!`
`13:47.14`	`clad\|shower`	`lol`
`13:47.16`	`clad\|shower`	`tourguide isn't mine :P`
`13:47.27`	`Xinhuan`	`yeah, i poked clad\|golden`
`13:47.29`	`Xinhuan`	`not you :D`
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`13:47.36`	`clad\|shower`	`oh lol`
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`13:47.55`	`mikma`	`Fisker-: i'm invinsible!`
`13:48.06`	`Fisker-`	`perhaps`
`13:48.07`	`clad\|shower`	`personally I think you could go a long way with farming quests, determining the "difficulty" of it, the sequencing, where the objectives are, etc.`
`13:48.09`	`clad\|shower`	`and then routes that`
`13:48.13`	`clad\|shower`	`but its a non-trivial exercise :P`
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`13:48.21`	`Fisker-`	`but you're invincible the same way Jack from Torchwood is`
`13:48.58`	`kenlyric`	`that's what tourguide is all about, though its design doesn't really allow for routes you do get way points on a lot of quests on where to go for the mobs you need`
`13:49.31`	`clad\|shower`	`yes, but what I don't like about TG`
`13:49.31`	`clad\|shower`	`is someone has to make the guide`
`13:49.31`	`clad\|shower`	`QH makes the guide for you`
`13:49.31`	`clad\|shower`	`that is a nice thing`
`13:49.36`	`kenlyric`	`well, it's not really a guide`
`13:49.44`	`clad\|shower`	`why not?`
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`13:50.05`	`Xinhuan`	`all routes cares about is a set of coordinates ;p`
`13:50.07`	`[Ammo]`	`TG has a purpose: get you to 70 as fast as possible and get you to 70 solor.`
`13:50.09`	`[Ammo]`	`-r`
`13:50.19`	`mikma`	`Fisker-: i was thinking more like Boris in Golden Eye`
`13:50.21`	`kenlyric`	`it doesn't indicate which quests should be grouped together, in which order they should be done.`
`13:50.22`	`[Ammo]`	`QH has a purpose: make your questing life easier`
`13:50.29`	`kenlyric`	`unless QH is something massively more than QuestObjectives`
`13:50.33`	`Fisker-`	`ah ok then mikma`
`13:50.41`	`[Ammo]`	`kenlyric: it's massivly more`
`13:50.43`	`[Ammo]`	`it chains them for you`
`13:50.48`	`clad\|shower`	`kenlyric: you should not talk about it, if you haven't used it.`
`13:50.51`	`[Ammo]`	`and gives you an optimized route from target to target :)`
`13:51.10`	`sdouble`	`does it chain them according to level?`
`13:51.11`	`clad\|shower`	`it runs TSP on the quests in your quest log, including their objectives and turn-ins`
`13:51.26`	`sdouble`	`or just which is closer to what`
`13:51.27`	`clad\|shower`	`it chains them according to the most efficient path`
`13:51.27`	`kenlyric`	`WHY DON'T I HAVE THIS`
`13:51.31`	`clad\|shower`	`and you can prioritize based on level.`
`13:51.44`	`clad\|shower`	`so it doesn't send you to red ones, over green ones, etc.`
`13:51.54`	`sdouble`	`that's pretty nice`
`13:51.58`	`mikma`	`anyway, making a plugin for TG that shows the spots and routes would still be quite huge job because lack of the coordinates in TG`
`13:52.02`	`Xinhuan`	`routes' TSP is just on a more general level, less specific than that`
`13:52.03`	`clad\|shower`	`its imperfect`
`13:52.06`	`clad\|shower`	`but good at what it does`
`13:52.12`	`sdouble`	`because I would always do a bunch of quests in an area and then my greens turn grey in the process`
`13:53.48`	`Xinhuan`	`OMEN DOWN - tanked by a holy paladin, healed by 3 moonkins, 7-manned ;d`
`13:54.00`	`Xinhuan`	`i told the lock in the raid "watch your threat on Omen"`
`13:54.02`	`Xinhuan`	`;d`
`13:54.27`	`vithos`	`i love QH, but some parts of it could use improvement for sure. its routing is sometimes questionable (i'll be in a town right near a turnin and it'll try to send me away, or it'll constantly change its mind about where to send you next)`
`13:54.41`	`kenlyric`	`so it can't tell you which quests are worth doing, but it can tell you the best way to do the ones you have`
`13:54.51`	`vithos`	`yes`
`13:54.55`	`kenlyric`	`definitely useful`
`13:55.06`	`kenlyric`	`and tourguide does that too... sometimes the waypoints are waaaay off`
`13:55.22`	`vithos`	`tourguide doesn't always have waypoints though does it?`
`13:55.25`	`kenlyric`	`no`
`13:55.35`	`kenlyric`	`but massively more in the latest release`
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`13:55.58`	`vithos`	`QH's database is created automatically i believe, by running it and doing quests`
`13:56.04`	`vithos`	`so it pretty much always has waypoints`
`13:56.04`	`sdouble`	`[07:48] <kenlyric> unless QH is something massively more than QuestObjectives`
`13:56.05`	`sdouble`	`[07:53] <kenlyric> but massively more in the latest release`
`13:56.13`	`sdouble`	`kenlyric <3s "massively"`
`13:56.49`	`kenlyric`	`crushridge maulers aren't elite anymore?`
`13:56.52`	`kenlyric`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:57.01`	`sdouble`	`barely anything is elite anymore`
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`13:58.12`	`sdouble`	`by making the game easier for the lower level players, it makes them more likely to need an expansion`
`13:58.21`	`kenlyric`	`i love getting a crit on sunder armor`
`13:58.45`	`kenlyric`	`deep wounds right at the start of a fight`
`13:59.12`	`Xinhuan`	`well quest databases such as these are pretty big addons`
`13:59.21`	`Xinhuan`	`making them good is hard`
`13:59.57`	`Codayus`	`kenlyric: Ah, sunder armor can't crit...`
`14:00.27`	`kenlyric`	`I leveled up two chars on the web-based leveling guides, so tourguide is a nice transition from that.`
`14:00.37`	`kenlyric`	`Codayus: I wonder if I'm getting an early hit in or something.`
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`14:01.01`	`kenlyric`	`duh, it doesn't even do any damage`
`14:01.06`	`Codayus`	`Sunder armor can't proc deep wounds in any circumstances.`
`14:01.17`	`Codayus`	`shrug`
`14:01.28`	`kenlyric`	`oh i'm dumb, it was hamstring I was excited about last night`
`14:01.38`	`Codayus`	`Oh! Well, that's entirely different. :-)`
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`14:02.28`	`Codayus`	`Hamstring is always fun for proccing stuf.`
`14:03.10`	`CIA-10`	`03kurax * r60599 10CCBreaker/Locale-zhCN.lua: CCBreaker: zhCN locale file update, forgot to save with UTF8`
`14:03.19`	`Codayus`	`I hate people that camp the Darkmoon vendors when I want to camp them... :-(`
`14:04.32`	`kenlyric`	`shit, that guy was still elite`
`14:04.47`	`Codayus`	`Who were you fighting?`
`14:04.53`	`kenlyric`	`crushridge ogres`
`14:05.37`	`Daemona`	`Codayus hamstring doesn't proc stuff anymore... at least not windfury / sword spec`
`14:05.51`	`Codayus`	`Daemona: Oh, hm, I heard about that, I guess.`
`14:06.26`	`Codayus`	`Haven't really cared, since I haven't really played my warrior since MC. :-)`
`14:06.29`	`Daemona`	`and on the darkmoon faire matter`
`14:06.34`	`Daemona`	`CAMP HARDER !`
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`14:06.46`	`Codayus`	`Heh`
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`14:07.03`	`Codayus`	`I set up FreeRefills to autobuy the limited supply stuff I'm interested in.`
`14:07.11`	`Daemona`	`on my server its quite boring... ally jumps me while alt tabbed`
`14:07.23`	`Daemona`	`Codayus tell us something new ;)`
`14:07.28`	`Codayus`	`nod`
`14:07.36`	`Daemona`	`i kill him 3 times and then he just leaves again`
`14:07.41`	`Codayus`	`So it's just...click...click...click...`
`14:07.54`	`Codayus`	`And if there's competition, then I feel like I need to alt tab less and click more.`
`14:08.01`	`Codayus`	`And then it feels more like work. So sad.`
`14:08.06`	`Daemona`	`haha`
`14:08.22`	`Daemona`	`i _could_ macro it... but that would be breaking ToS i guess ;)`
`14:08.36`	`Codayus`	`Hm, would be tricky if you wanted to check both vendors.`
`14:08.41`	`Codayus`	`And yeah, would.`
`14:09.03`	`Daemona`	`why? using some mouse movement macrorecorder shouldnt be ... i better stop here or i really consider doing it ..`
`14:09.33`	`Codayus`	`'spose. But yeah, that would be very naughty. Shame on you for even thinking about it. :-p`
`14:11.54`	`kenlyric`	`narillasanz?`
`14:12.04`	`kenlyric`	`i don't think i've ever seen that before`
`14:12.42`	`kenlyric`	`gotta love undead lands... random elite mobs 20 levels above everything else`
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`14:12.54`	`Xinhuan`	`hahaha`
`14:13.02`	`Xinhuan`	`did a Son of Arugal smash you?`
`14:13.34`	`kenlyric`	`narillasanz`
`14:14.06`	`Codayus`	`Ooh, him.`
`14:14.07`	`Codayus`	`Heh`
`14:14.13`	`Codayus`	`He's fun.`
`14:14.36`	`Codayus`	`The game needs more random "WTF ELITE DRAGON" moments.`
`14:15.19`	`Codayus`	`Devilsaurs and Fel Reavers are nice, but that's only two zones. Narillasanz is great, but he's not around enough.`
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`14:17.02`	`Xinhuan`	`http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23167492-2,00.html`
`14:17.06`	`Codayus`	`Incidentally, I believe he's immune to slows, sleep, snares, and stuns, and heals when he gets below 50%. <3`
`14:17.07`	`kenlyric`	`gives a zone character`
`14:17.08`	`Xinhuan`	`GARRICK Jacobson was in custody at Sydney's Surry Hills police station when he apparently discovered his girlfriend used to be a man.`
`14:17.31`	`kenlyric`	`people HATE sons of arugal and devilsaurs, but every also has stories about htem`
`14:17.38`	`Codayus`	`Exactly.`
`14:18.44`	`kenlyric`	`wtb aoe hamstring`
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`14:28.05`	`CIA-10`	`03chexsum * r60600 10CombatAlert/CombatAlert.html:`
`14:28.05`	`CIA-10`	`CombatAlert:`
`14:28.05`	`CIA-10`	`-`
`14:28.14`	`chexsum`	`oops :x`
`14:28.24`	`Elsia`	`impressive change :D`
`14:28.28`	`chexsum`	`lol`
`14:29.05`	`chexsum`	`just added a website link ;)`
`14:30.20`	`CIA-10`	`03ag 07Ace3 * r60601 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.lua: ag_UnitFrames: remove redundant function`
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`14:31.04`	`[SW]Dodge`	`a shaman here ?`
`14:31.25`	`chexsum`	`i mana-burned them all`
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`14:32.54`	`kenlyric`	`when (questitemcount = max-1) set droprate=0.01%`
`14:33.07`	`[SW]Dodge`	`i need the result of /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GetSpellTexture("Frost Shock")) please :)`
`14:33.22`	`[SW]Dodge`	`my shaman doesnt have frost shock yet ^^`
`14:34.49`	`chexsum`	`arent they listed on wowwiki ?`
`14:35.30`	`[SW]Dodge`	`dont know, i looked at wowhead but they didnt have. lookin @ wowwiki`
`14:38.34`	`chexsum`	`ive seen a list but cant find it now`
`14:39.07`	`[SW]Dodge`	`cant find a list too :E`
`14:40.49`	`chexsum`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Spell_Frost_FrostShock.png <-- i think the image is the same as the buff name`
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`14:41.29`	`[SW]Dodge`	`thanks ill try :)`
`14:42.22`	`syeren`	`chexsum, what's the URL?`
`14:42.33`	`syeren`	`I'm trying to see if your addon can become more useful :P`
`14:42.37`	`chexsum`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Frost_Shock`
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`14:43.07`	`chexsum`	`its good if you can figure it out`
`14:43.16`	`syeren`	`I mean regarding your addon ;p`
`14:43.18`	Funkeh`	`[SW]Dodge, if you go to thottbot.com and type the name of the spell`
`14:43.29`	Funkeh`	`then right click the con and get the name of it in its address`
`14:43.34`	Funkeh`	`its always its ingame name`
`14:43.46`	`[SW]Dodge`	`ty:)`
`14:44.16`	`Poul\|Raider`	`Have anyone seen more to new combat log other then the sample posted on forum, wondering what the different field indicates.`
`14:44.17`	`chexsum`	`http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/9706/`
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`14:45.08`	`Elsia`	`slouken documented all fields that will be unchanged between events, the variable fields haven't been published yet`
`14:45.34`	`chexsum`	`ill probably add icons and options to disable other combat text alert stuff next`
`14:45.40`	`Elsia`	`This post: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&sid=1&pageNo=10`
`14:45.59`	`chexsum`	`i think parrot and sct both support icons now`
`14:46.01`	`syeren`	`chexsum, if you was to add the icons, your addon would become hugely popular, but I imagine you already know this.`
`14:46.24`	`chexsum`	`i dont care if its popular`
`14:46.26`	`Elsia`	`timestamp, event, srcGUID, srcName, srcFlags, dstGUID, dstName, dstFlags is what you'll get every event, independent of the event.`
`14:46.27`	`Poul\|Raider`	`thx Elsia`
`14:46.30`	`syeren`	`You know full well how much demand there has been for a Spell Alert addon with Icons since the release of Kollektiv's, or at least I think you do ;p`
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`14:46.51`	`chexsum`	`i disable them in parrot`
`14:47.12`	`syeren`	`Well chexsum, you would be considered a new god to a lot of arena players :)`
`14:47.34`	`chexsum`	`my codes crappy though`
`14:48.04`	`syeren`	`I wouldn't know, and most players don't care about the method, just the end result.`
`14:48.24`	`chexsum`	`the mods designed for pvpers that want custom info though`
`14:48.25`	`syeren`	`And considering you would have the whole 'market' to yourself, you would have more than enough time and feedback to improve your code ;p`
`14:48.38`	`syeren`	`I know chexsum :)`
`14:48.40`	`chexsum`	`bleh`
`14:48.48`	`syeren`	`If I knew how to mod your code to make Parrot display Icons, I would :p`
`14:48.52`	`syeren`	`However, I don't :p`
`14:49.03`	`Daemona`	`uuuh anyone else getting strange whispers? "cidibir sohbete nedersiniz"`
`14:49.09`	`Daemona`	`wtf is that?`
`14:49.09`	`Ozguli`	`huh, doesn't parrot already show icons?`
`14:49.19`	`chexsum`	`ill do it now :P`
`14:49.26`	`syeren`	`Ozguli, chexsum has made a rather special spell alert mod ;p`
`14:49.50`	`Ozguli`	`mmkay`
`14:50.00`	`chexsum`	`parrot can do what my mod does with additional trigger options`
`14:50.13`	`SunTsu`	`Daemona: looks like turkish`
`14:50.19`	`chexsum`	`it just need more aura options`
`14:50.30`	`syeren`	`It basically learns the spells you encounter, and allows you to filter which spells it shows, how it shows them, and who the spells are being targetted at.`
`14:50.47`	`syeren`	`It's just not very user friendly at the moment, but I don't think he intends for it to be at the moment :p`
`14:51.35`	`chexsum`	`ckknight needs to add more target/focus stuff to triggers :\`
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`14:52.10`	`sb_`	`Elsia: is there some info about the 'guid' thing?`
`14:52.24`	`sb_`	`(its going to be some unique mod id, right? :p)`
`14:53.14`	`chexsum`	`mod5(mobname + spawn time) probably`
`14:53.23`	`chexsum`	`md5sum i mean lol`
`14:53.33`	`Elsia`	`sb_: some, in that thread... sec`
`14:53.42`	`Elsia`	`unique as long as they persist`
`14:54.33`	`Elsia`	`Post 231 this page http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&sid=1&pageNo=12`
`14:54.43`	`chexsum`	`i was about to staart writing a unique mob id thing :(`
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`14:54.55`	`Elsia`	`depending how that pans out, pet handling may be tricky even with GUID`
`14:54.58`	`sb_`	`Players keep their GUID forever, and are unique even in cross-server battlegrounds. <-- uhoh`
`14:55.02`	`chexsum`	`spellwatcher needed it`
`14:55.03`	`Elsia`	`say two people have same named hunter pets`
`14:55.06`	`sb_`	`that is going to be some evil thing :o`
`14:55.32`	`sb_`	`new generation of player tracking`
`14:55.35`	`Elsia`	`and they both die and one doesn't see the other's resurrect, you didn't get the GUID`
`14:55.55`	`chexsum`	`i think itll be for combatlog only`
`14:56.04`	`chexsum`	`no target/info/etc`
`14:56.25`	`sb_`	`hm`
`14:56.38`	`sb_`	`what do you mean?`
`14:56.39`	`Elsia`	`they haven't announced any way to query GUIDs, which is actually an issue for damage meters as well... how to figure out non-unique mobs to owner matching if there is no query`
`14:56.51`	`Elsia`	`the "water elemental" issue`
`14:57.21`	`chexsum`	`itll act like player names but you wont be able to target via guid`
`14:57.34`	`chexsum`	`itll be for info only`
`14:57.44`	`Elsia`	`that's likely`
`14:57.54`	`Elsia`	`but maybe not... the pet name exploit is pretty bad`
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`14:58.05`	`Elsia`	`and /target GUID isn't much worse than /targetexact`
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`14:58.15`	`sb_`	`chexsum: hmm yes - but guid -> name resolution should be possible`
`14:58.21`	`chexsum`	`not if they create the guid with player+pet name`
`14:58.35`	`sb_`	`so with armory data it would be the perfect player tracking ;o`
`14:58.44`	`chexsum`	`or realm+player+pet since peopler from diff realms can be in the same bg with the same name`
`14:59.09`	`chexsum`	`they wont let you lookup guids imo`
`14:59.11`	`Elsia`	`i think it's already announced that GUIDs are stable in BGs`
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`14:59.28`	`sb_`	`"Players keep their GUID forever, and are unique even in cross-server battlegrounds."`
`14:59.28`	`Elsia`	`so you can make your own data-base if they want it or not`
`14:59.52`	`chexsum`	`theyd be trackable via a mod though`
`14:59.55`	`Elsia`	`basically just record name<->GUID pairs using combat log and publish.`
`15:00.09`	`sb_`	`yup`
`15:00.21`	`chexsum`	`guidiator`
`15:00.21`	`Elsia`	`hence why I'm not sure that they'll be hyper-protective of player GUIDs. It's too easy to extract.`
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`15:04.48`	`Elsia`	`I'm actually surprised that hunter pets and warlock pets didn't get stable GUIDs. These are stable entities on the server.`
`15:05.04`	`Elsia`	`probably has to do with handling of volatile pets`
`15:05.20`	`Daemona`	`interesting...`
`15:05.37`	`Daemona`	`... so you could track players by guid even after server trnasfer and name change?`
`15:05.59`	`Elsia`	`blizz didn't respond to that question, which might mean that the answer is yes`
`15:06.06`	`Daemona`	`haha nice`
`15:06.10`	`Daemona`	`<3 it`
`15:06.14`	`Elsia`	`I don't know yet how they guarantee stable GUID across realms though`
`15:06.29`	`Daemona`	`probably each char anyway got a number in their db`
`15:06.30`	`Elsia`	`I actually suspect they are not stable and in fact part of the realm is encoded into the GUID`
`15:06.34`	`Daemona`	`so they just took that as guid?`
`15:06.38`	`Xinhuan`	`maybe your GUID is only unique on a server cluster (battlegroup)`
`15:06.58`	`Xinhuan`	`slouken only mentioned that it is unique across your G`
`15:06.59`	`Xinhuan`	`BG`
`15:07.13`	`Elsia`	`there is no guarantee that name changes keep GUIDs stable either, in fact I suspect that they may force new GUID for privacy reasons.`
`15:07.24`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`15:07.28`	`Fisker-`	`but it would be awesome if not`
`15:07.32`	`Daemona`	`you never know`
`15:07.35`	`Daemona`	`its blizz`
`15:07.35`	`Fisker-`	`to be honest they should do it`
`15:07.44`	`Xinhuan`	`i do not think they will overlook this`
`15:07.53`	`Elsia`	`blizz is pretty good with stuff like this`
`15:08.03`	`Fisker-`	`obviously?`
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`15:08.19`	`sb_`	`mh`
`15:08.23`	`sb_`	`wtb option to change my guid`
`15:08.40`	`sb_`	`need some 'nice' guid :p`
`15:08.40`	`Daemona`	`sounds like asking for a mac-adress changer ,)`
`15:08.48`	`Daemona`	`i want some 1337'ness in it !`
`15:08.51`	`sb_`	`yes :p`
`15:09.24`	`Xinhuan`	`vhaarr, can i make LifePercent NOT hide my /played data`
`15:09.35`	`Xinhuan`	`from being spammed on screen`
`15:09.36`	`chexsum`	`bleh, ill have to change too much to add spellicons tonight`
`15:09.56`	`vhaarr`	`Xinhuan: /lifepercent played will show you the original played output`
`15:09.56`	`chexsum`	`<-- too drunk :(`
`15:10.05`	`vhaarr`	`Xinhuan: other than that, no, but I'm sure you can modify it yourself`
`15:10.12`	`sb_`	`lifepercent is evil!`
`15:10.21`	`vhaarr`	`^^`
`15:10.23`	`Xinhuan`	`ok, cos i have ExperienceFu as well`
`15:10.26`	`Daemona`	`lifepercent told me i got no life :(`
`15:10.29`	`Xinhuan`	`so it also does a /played on login`
`15:10.31`	`sb_`	`tells me something about 25,3%, dont know what that means :p`
`15:10.36`	`Xinhuan`	`so i get the message spammed twice`
`15:10.41`	`vhaarr`	`Xinhuan: oh, hm`
`15:10.48`	`vhaarr`	`Xinhuan: perhaps a throttle could be added`
`15:11.11`	`Xinhuan`	`also, 1 hour 50 minutes to go, to 500 days /played`
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`15:11.17`	`Xinhuan`	`time to setup an autograph table`
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`15:11.33`	`chexsum`	`crazy`
`15:11.40`	`vhaarr`	`Xinhuan: but just comment it out at line 129 in LifePercent.lua`
`15:11.46`	`vhaarr`	`RequestTimePlayed()`
`15:11.56`	`Xinhuan`	`yeah, will do`
`15:11.59`	`Xinhuan`	`until you have an update`
`15:12.25`	`chexsum`	`im on a 187 days played account and almost got r14 with it`
`15:12.44`	`chexsum`	`500 is insane`
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`15:13.01`	`Xinhuan`	`i have rank 14 and scarab lord titles`
`15:13.02`	`chexsum`	`blizzard should award you with some free hours`
`15:13.33`	`Daemona`	`or rather make friends with a gm`
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`15:13.39`	`Poul\|Raider`	`remember to say thx to those people helped you get em Xinhuan :)`
`15:13.42`	`chexsum`	`or gm status!`
`15:13.44`	`Xinhuan`	`i am friends with 2 blizzard employees ;p`
`15:13.46`	`Daemona`	`heared they get 25 years gametime cards for friends and family`
`15:13.59`	`sb_`	`;)`
`15:14.00`	`Xinhuan`	`one of them used to be a guild member, then he joined blizzard`
`15:14.03`	`chexsum`	`gms have no friends`
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`15:14.43`	`Zariel`	`fucking weired`
`15:14.47`	`Zariel`	`router suddenly died o.0`
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`15:14.50`	`baer_`	`moin.`
`15:15.05`	`chexsum`	`welcome to the intranetz`
`15:15.27`	`Elsia`	`hmm never calculated my total across all alts.. don't think it's 500 though`
`15:15.42`	`chexsum`	`id be pushing 200 days imo`
`15:15.42`	`sb_`	`moin as in 'i just came back from work' or 'good morning'? :p`
`15:15.43`	`baer_`	`is there a way to change the border of the buff frames in buffalo(1) to a more bright color?`
`15:16.02`	`Ozguli`	`hmpf.`
`15:16.05`	`Xinhuan`	`500 is just my mage`
`15:16.14`	`Elsia`	`tihi`
`15:16.15`	`Ozguli`	`simpleminimap doesn't have any option to show/hide it by using some command`
`15:16.19`	`Xinhuan`	`my guild bank alt has 9 days or something stupid`
`15:16.22`	`sb_`	`mage is your char with 100k gold? :p`
`15:16.32`	`chexsum`	`arent you tired of 3 buttons ?`
`15:16.33`	`Xinhuan`	`i have 85k gold`
`15:16.36`	`Xinhuan`	`if that matters`
`15:16.37`	`chexsum`	`hehe`
`15:16.49`	`Ozguli`	`I have... 200g`
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`15:16.55`	`Elsia`	`time for a reset :D`
`15:16.58`	`chexsum`	`85g!`
`15:17.15`	`Ozguli`	`still need 4 primal mooncloth bags and I'm set`
`15:17.20`	`CIA-10`	`03xinhuan 07Taboo * r60603 10Routes/Routes.lua: Routes: Add code to InsertNode and DeleteNode callbacks to take into account taboo regions.`
`15:17.25`	`chexsum`	`repeatable bg things will be when i make money`
`15:17.36`	`sb_`	`Xinhuan: whats taboo? :o`
`15:17.48`	`Elsia`	`does life percent show total /played?`
`15:17.49`	`Xinhuan`	`sb_: umm taboos are... regions`
`15:17.54`	`haste`	`it tears you up!`
`15:18.08`	`sb_`	`mh - regions like.. walls?`
`15:18.21`	`Xinhuan`	`http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp4.jpg`
`15:18.23`	`Xinhuan`	`http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp4b.jpg`
`15:18.24`	`Xinhuan`	`http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp4c.jpg`
`15:18.26`	`Xinhuan`	`http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp4d.jpg`
`15:18.38`	`Xinhuan`	`now imagine being to attach these regions to a route`
`15:18.44`	`Xinhuan`	`and now that route ignores that region`
`15:18.55`	`chexsum`	`are you from bg9 xinhuan ?`
`15:19.00`	`Xinhuan`	`yes chexsum`
`15:19.05`	`Xinhuan`	`i am on bg9, blackrock`
`15:19.07`	`chexsum`	`i think ive farmed you`
`15:19.15`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't think you've farmed me`
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`15:19.26`	`clad\|shower`	`lol`
`15:19.27`	`chexsum`	`i bet i have ;P`
`15:19.32`	`Xinhuan`	`i bet you haven't ;p`
`15:19.34`	`Xinhuan`	`when was this`
`15:19.57`	`chexsum`	`im a priest - i farm mages`
`15:20.11`	`Poul\|Raider`	`Elsia, whats the srcFlags and dst ?`
`15:20.11`	`chexsum`	`bet ive oomed you a few times`
`15:20.14`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm a honor farmer, i only run with groups`
`15:20.18`	`Xinhuan`	`that farm pugs`
`15:20.21`	`cladhaire`	`wow, such a big epeen you have`
`15:20.22`	`cladhaire`	`O.o`
`15:20.24`	`chexsum`	`doesnt matter lol`
`15:20.32`	`Xinhuan`	`^_^`
`15:20.45`	`Elsia`	`somewhere else in that thread: These are flags that describe Src and Dst in more detail: is it friendly, allied, hostile, pet etc`
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`15:20.50`	`Elsia`	`sec for link`
`15:20.55`	`chexsum`	`ive bgd with rank farmers and 400+ res farmers :)`
`15:21.02`	`Poul\|Raider`	`oki Elsia`
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`15:21.18`	`Poul\|Raider`	`so those fag will have a hex number`
`15:21.22`	`Elsia`	`Post 179 this page http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&sid=1&pageNo=9`
`15:21.26`	`Poul\|Raider`	`tx`
`15:22.25`	`Elsia`	`I'm a honor pugger, I only pug to be farmed but with honor! :D`
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`15:23.49`	`Elsia`	`I wouldn't bg if I won all the time, that'd be dead boring actually... pugging is rather varied. Nice to see pieces fall together, and a good premade vs premade can be nice.`
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`15:24.48`	`Elsia`	`like losing AV 0-3 reserves! nice`
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`15:26.07`	`chexsum`	`say hi to areynn :P`
`15:26.37`	`chexsum`	`i notice a couple of your guildies in bgs`
`15:27.12`	`Poul\|Raider`	`"The content of the logs aren't changing, just the way the information is delivered. The person with Lifebloom really is healing themselves. :) " what does he mean? is lifeblook showed as healing done for the guy who have it on?`
`15:27.26`	`chexsum`	`akaielf is probably most known to me after you`
`15:27.50`	`Xinhuan`	`Poul\|Raider: correct`
`15:27.51`	`SunTsu`	`Poul\|Raider: It is, as it is right now`
`15:28.05`	`Poul\|Raider`	`ye but i dint know it was like that now, so thats why i wondered SunTsu`
`15:28.07`	`Xinhuan`	`heh akaielf is away for 1.5 months studying for his final exams`
`15:28.19`	`chexsum`	`def alkazard`
`15:28.29`	`chexsum`	`i hate rogues`
`15:28.48`	`SunTsu`	`Poul\|Raider: AFAIK is there a split, the ticks are shown for the person himself and the bloom for the healer, but don't nail me down on it`
`15:28.49`	`Elsia`	`I hope they fix lifebloom/earthshield/PoM later... they need to convince themselves to keep that info around with the buff slot`
`15:29.44`	`Elsia`	`would be nice if you could mouseover buffs and see who applied it too`
`15:29.49`	`chexsum`	`wish they didnt fix mc talking while i was pvping when ranks were working :(`
`15:30.35`	`chexsum`	`some ally were good pvpers`
`15:30.39`	`Elsia`	`i really hate being on a euro account, almost impossible to give improvement ideas on UI stuff`
`15:31.08`	`dylanm`	`Usually someone in here will post stuff if you ask nicely and it isn't dumb.`
`15:31.27`	`chexsum`	`Xinhuan, whats alkazards main now ?`
`15:31.31`	`Elsia`	`yeah but you can't engage in dialogue that way by permanently harassing people`
`15:31.39`	`Xinhuan`	`some troll priest i think`
`15:31.44`	`Xinhuan`	`he rerolled hrode in tbc`
`15:31.51`	`Xinhuan`	`only logged on his lvl 60 rogue like... 2 days ago`
`15:31.54`	`chexsum`	`still bg9 ?`
`15:31.57`	`Xinhuan`	`yep`
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`15:32.10`	`dylanm`	`Well... dialogue with the UI people doesn't seem to happen all that often.`
`15:32.43`	`Elsia`	`anyway, lifebloom fix is simple: Add that info to the dot tooltip, then the combat log has the info and player have the info from mouseover. Both good.`
`15:33.30`	`chexsum`	`he was def one of the most familiar rogues`
`15:33.44`	`Xinhuan`	`Elsia, huh`
`15:33.46`	`Xinhuan`	`dot tooltip?`
`15:33.55`	`Elsia`	`*hot`
`15:33.58`	`Elsia`	`*buff`
`15:34.03`	`Elsia`	`*icon in unitframe`
`15:34.09`	`Elsia`	`*lack of elsia's braincell`
`15:34.26`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't think they are fixing anything`
`15:34.38`	`Elsia`	`maybe a long way down the line`
`15:34.40`	`Codayus`	`Yeah, but it'd be nice if they did, no?`
`15:34.40`	`Xinhuan`	`but, recount can always watch for a druid casting lifebloom`
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`15:34.49`	`Xinhuan`	`and infer from there`
`15:34.56`	`kneeki`	`hey all`
`15:35.01`	`Elsia`	`I really would love to ditch syncing... hard`
`15:35.05`	`chexsum`	`druids are hacks when it comes to buffs`
`15:35.15`	`Codayus`	`Sorta, although PoM is a nastier problem.`
`15:35.50`	`Elsia`	`given the GUID water elemental situation there may be even more need to sync, ouch`
`15:35.50`	`chexsum`	`i hate how you cant overwrite a stronger prom`
`15:36.02`	`chexsum`	`they messed up healers a bit`
`15:36.14`	`Elsia`	`yep same with earthshield... current solution is not ideal really`
`15:36.19`	`Xinhuan`	`isn't that fixed next patch?`
`15:36.19`	`CIA-10`	`03rabbit * r60604 10LifePercent/LifePercent.lua: LifePercent: Throttle the output by 5 seconds in case we have other addons calling RequestTimePlayed() on login.`
`15:36.26`	`Codayus`	`Yeah, although it's nice to not to overide PoMs accidentally.`
`15:36.27`	`Codayus`	`So meh.`
`15:36.41`	`kneeki`	`What is a clever name for an addon which creates a row of buttons ( depending on your class ) with commonly used abilitys? I don't like the name 'ClassButtons' that I'm currently using, and I'm looking to change it. :)`
`15:36.46`	`chexsum`	`at5s it should be overwritable`
`15:36.58`	`Xinhuan`	`"SmartClassButtons"`
`15:37.06`	`Elsia`	`they should allow refresh of earth shields, really it's annoying if someone has a 1-tick shield before a dangerous pull`
`15:37.14`	`Elsia`	`the way it used to be`
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`15:37.47`	`Codayus`	`Earthshield, Lifebloom, and PoM all have some...implentation issues, as seen by the number of bufs, nerfs, and tweaks they've all had.`
`15:37.54`	`kneeki`	`Xinhuan, I'm hoping for like, a one word name, something that is easy to roll off the tongue`
`15:38.29`	`Codayus`	`Although it's better than not having a complex healing skill at all. coughpaladinscough`
`15:38.35`	`Elsia`	`earthshield is really simple basically. it is fine either way. it's just less useful in it's current state for really smart play.`
`15:38.44`	`kneeki`	`Codayus, lol!`
`15:38.52`	`chexsum`	`kneeki, wizard ?`
`15:38.55`	`kneeki`	`Codayus, maybe not complex, but efficient as hell :)`
`15:39.02`	`Codayus`	`Yeah`
`15:39.18`	`kneeki`	`chexsum, ooo, hmmmmmmm`
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`15:39.26`	`Elsia`	`JoL`
`15:39.29`	`Industrial`	`Is it possible to get more MP5 then mana usage in wow as e.g. hunter?`
`15:39.33`	`Elsia`	`BoL`
`15:39.37`	`Elsia`	`pala healing isn't simple`
`15:39.53`	`Codayus`	`Elsia: Bliz keeps toying with some major changed to Earthshield. If memory serves, it almost got a cooldown in 2.3, which would have been...uh...fun.`
`15:40.01`	`Industrial`	`I am BM hunter, what it I could keep up steady/auto shot indefinetely :P?`
`15:40.04`	`Elsia`	`indu: don't think so`
`15:40.11`	`Industrial`	`k`
`15:40.11`	`Elsia`	`cod: all arena related`
`15:40.12`	`Codayus`	`Industrial: Sure, group with a shadow priest.`
`15:40.17`	`Industrial`	`hmm`
`15:40.20`	`Codayus`	`Elsia: nod`
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`15:41.01`	`Xinhuan`	`WAU - downloading Index, 888k of 1928k`
`15:41.03`	`vithos`	`Industrial: or JoW + BoW + mana spring`
`15:41.08`	`Xinhuan`	`wtf the index is 2 mb now?`
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`15:41.34`	`Codayus`	`Industrial: Mp5 has exponential returns as regen approaches expenditure. As such, Bliz is very careful to limit any mana using classes regen.`
`15:43.24`	`vithos`	`eh.. there's always aspect of the viper.`
`15:43.38`	`vithos`	`your mp5 goes up as your mana goes down`
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`15:44.12`	`Elsia`	`on full shot rotation you will drain even with viper up, and BoW, etc...`
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`15:44.35`	`Elsia`	`string+shadow priest+viper I can see sustaining, but I never had the benefit`
`15:44.48`	`Elsia`	`all else is still chain chugging fel mana pots`
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`15:45.34`	`vithos`	`i tend to disagree`
`15:45.44`	`Codayus`	`At a T5 gear level, I believe a BM hunter can go forever with a spriest, and end a fight at 80% mana.`
`15:45.45`	`vithos`	`and every time i've had a shadowpriest it's been overkill`
`15:46.15`	`Elsia`	`80% mana means that he can't go forever.. but I guess that's why we disagree...`
`15:46.27`	`Chompers`	`totally true Codayus, our hunters beg for a shadow priest in their group`
`15:46.28`	`Elsia`	`100% means balance of expenditure and regen`
`15:46.33`	`chexsum`	`has anyone made an addon to exploit the shadowpriest group for raid mana return ? :P`
`15:46.49`	`vithos`	`"Time to Mana Exhaustion: never" in my spreadsheet with Hawk up`
`15:46.54`	`chexsum`	`you can change groups in combat so itd be doable`
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`15:46.59`	`Industrial`	`yeah even if I have viper ill drain everything`
`15:46.59`	`vithos`	`with no shadowpriest`
`15:47.04`	`Industrial`	`only with stead hy shot`
`15:47.16`	`Codayus`	`Elsia: Entirely untrue, if regen varies you may well average out < 100%, even if avergage regenis sufficient...`
`15:47.17`	`Elsia`	`cheeky's?`
`15:47.21`	`vithos`	`yeah`
`15:47.32`	`vithos`	`with black bow of the betrayer or black grasps of whatever from AQ`
`15:47.59`	`Elsia`	`cod: that wasn't my argument...`
`15:48.23`	`Elsia`	`my point is very theoretical: Actual infinite sustainability. That means there can be no downward gradient at all.`
`15:48.23`	`vithos`	`if you're using viper, 80% mana could be the equilibrium`
`15:48.53`	`vithos`	`since your regen varies based on what % you're at, you don't have to be at 100% to be infinitely sustainable`
`15:49.02`	`Codayus`	`Elsia: If your hunter is at 80% 2m into a boss fight...and 4m in... and 6m in... Then yeah, you're going forever. The nature of the mechanics means ending a fight AT 100% is unlikely, even if regen exceeds expenditures.`
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`15:49.45`	`Elsia`	`cod: again not my argument, my argument is that if the gradient is only slightly dipping it's not sustainable.`
`15:49.53`	`Codayus`	`....`
`15:49.59`	`Elsia`	`not sure why people get all upset about a theoretical point like that`
`15:50.03`	`vithos`	`i don't think you're understanding this.`
`15:50.07`	`Codayus`	`Are you as stupid as you act?`
`15:50.19`	`vithos`	`your mana regen is different based on your current percent of mana`
`15:50.21`	`Elsia`	`yes`
`15:50.30`	`Codayus`	`You can reach an equilibrium point < 100% and fluctuate around it, and have ZERO gradient.`
`15:50.33`	`chexsum`	`we had loose mana on curator a few weeks ago -0 it was hella funny`
`15:50.33`	`vithos`	`so the lower your mana goes, the faster you gain it back`
`15:50.43`	`Elsia`	`cod: I agree, why are you upset?`
`15:50.44`	`Codayus`	`As in, say, the example I JUST gave...`
`15:50.46`	`chexsum`	`some mobs got stuck`
`15:51.15`	`Elsia`	`vit: I understand how viper works`
`15:51.17`	`vithos`	`also, sustainability after 20 minutes is irrelevent`
`15:51.27`	`Elsia`	`and the eque point is not 80%, read EJ class forum`
`15:51.35`	`vithos`	`?`
`15:51.49`	`vithos`	`that was just a made up number`
`15:52.00`	`vithos`	`the % would be different for every setup`
`15:52.13`	`vithos`	`or nonexistent at all`
`15:52.25`	`Elsia`	`ah... thanks`
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`15:53.23`	`Elsia`	`see I'm stupid for talking about a possible setup... lets best drop this hunter mana regen discussion. Read cheeky & lactose on EJ class forums if you want to find more about this.`
`15:54.01`	`Chompers`	`the dps warrior thread on ej is a mess, someone needs to prune it`
`15:54.18`	`vithos`	`yeah sure, whatever.`
`15:54.20`	`Chompers`	`wish it was like the prot warrior threat :<`
`15:54.58`	`Codayus`	`"EJ class forums" isn't a magic talisman.`
`15:55.12`	`Elsia`	`it's a source for information if you care about that ;)`
`15:55.22`	`Elsia`	`it's better than making up numbers :D`
`15:55.44`	`Codayus`	`Ah...irony...`
`15:55.45`	`vithos`	`where do you think i got cheeky's spreadsheet from?`
`15:56.12`	`vithos`	`80% was just an example, since you didn't seem to be understanding how viper works`
`15:56.17`	`Elsia`	`guys, can you explain to me why you are upset? I mean really? Just because I said I haven't experienced sustained mana return without spriest?`
`15:56.38`	`dylanm`	`Someone's upset? lulz.`
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`15:57.52`	`Codayus`	`Elsia: I'm not upset, but when I see people spouting egregiously incorrect info, I call them on it if I'm bored enough.`
`15:58.15`	`Elsia`	`cod: cite me what info was wrong`
`15:59.36`	`Codayus`	`"80% mana means that he can't go forever", referring to a BM hunter in a spriest group whom I claimed could go forever.`
`16:00.14`	`Elsia`	`ah, alright.`
`16:01.06`	`Elsia`	`Well one has to mince ones words really carefully. Do you understand what I meant to say there?`
`16:02.08`	`Elsia`	`Because I was previously discussion sustainability without Spriest and how overall mana loss matters compared to ideal sustainability.`
`16:02.46`	`Elsia`	`If you want to prove sustainability, there cannot be a global gradient. We both agreed. That's all there is to all this really.`
`16:04.07`	`vithos`	`that's true, however, don't you think shadowpriests could be put to better use than giving hunters mana?`
`16:04.26`	`Elsia`	`I never was part of that discussion ;)`
`16:04.42`	`Elsia`	`frankly I don't like mana for hunters, but that's a whole other discussion`
`16:04.44`	`vhaarr`	`vithos: If your hunters do any good dps, they use just as much mana as any other class.`
`16:04.54`	`vhaarr`	`our hunters pot on every CD`
`16:06.00`	`vithos`	`i do great dps without a shadowpriest. when i get a shadowpriest, my mana goes from 100% to 99% and then back to 100%`
`16:06.05`	`Codayus`	`Spriest group has 4 slots. What's the gain in raid DPS of putting a given class/spec there?`
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`16:06.25`	`vhaarr`	`vithos: I don't believe you`
`16:06.41`	`sb_`	`<3 destrolock in spriest group ;p`
`16:06.43`	`vithos`	`but i think a shaman+hunters+feral druids group is a better way to give hunters mana`
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`16:07.37`	`vithos`	`because hunters can achieve sustainability without using viper, without a shadowpriest`
`16:07.42`	`vithos`	`(without mana pots)`
`16:07.46`	`Elsia`	`where you want your spriest depends on the fight really... healer check, make sure they get the mana, dps race, max synergy with locks, favoring hunters or phyiscal, stick em with hunters.`
`16:08.33`	`vithos`	`well, our content is already clear, but next week i'll ask for a spriest for one fight and fraps my mana bar for you :P`
`16:12.50`	`Codayus`	`Make sure it's a fight where judging wisdom is hard. :-p`
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`16:14.49`	`vithos`	`even without the illidan bow, it'd take 17 minutes to go oom with Hawk with JoW, BoW, mana spring totem, 1x superior mana oil, without major mageblood elixir`
`16:14.58`	`vithos`	`according to cheeky's sheet`
`16:15.11`	`Elsia`	`thanks, that was my point.`
`16:15.35`	`vithos`	`mana tide totem is not included there`
`16:16.04`	`Elsia`	`mana tide is a mana return that is hard to guarantee in practice though`
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`16:16.28`	`Elsia`	`gotta be a static fight allowing close formation then it's easy`
`16:17.33`	`vithos`	`you can miss out on 2/3 of the mana tides and still be sustainable`
`16:18.03`	`Elsia`	`fine I'll tell it my hunters who'll be glad to know they don't need to chain chug at illidan :D`
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`16:19.29`	`vithos`	`i only use a couple mana pots on illidan, but i also don't get a shaman`
`16:19.41`	`vithos`	`i use viper because i'm cheap.`
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`16:20.09`	`Elsia`	`well the shamans our hunters tend to get won't have mana tide anyway`
`16:20.59`	`vithos`	`you don't give the enh shaman to the melee group?`
`16:21.03`	`chexsum`	`hunters can drop agro the most so theyre good for spriest group`
`16:21.23`	`Codayus`	`chexsum: Uh...how do you figure that?`
`16:21.26`	`chexsum`	`better than locks imo`
`16:21.32`	`Elsia`	`there are 3 types of shaman, only one has tide ;)`
`16:21.52`	`Codayus`	`You give your hunters an ele shaman? oO`
`16:22.04`	`Pkekyo\|`	`living in this place is fucking ridiculous....when it's +5 degrees C, I think 'yay, it's almost summer', and walk around outside in t-shirts :/`
`16:22.12`	`Elsia`	`geez, all I said is that they rarely get resto shammies...`
`16:22.24`	`vithos`	`Elsia: i can't read your mind, and i'm tired of guessing.`
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`16:23.05`	`chexsum`	`i live in 30C heat and feel cold`
`16:23.11`	`vithos`	`which shaman do you tend to give to the hunters? just tell me`
`16:23.26`	`Codayus`	`shrug You cite Cheeky's spreadsheet, then when someone quotes numbers from it, you want people to play guessing games with group makeup...`
`16:23.27`	`Elsia`	`whichever is left over after other groups are covered ;)`
`16:24.04`	`vithos`	`that's usually "no shaman" in my raids`
`16:24.04`	`Elsia`	`which can be any type really, if an enhance is still there it's enhance, it can be an elem`
`16:24.21`	`vithos`	`you have more than one enh? we just have one`
`16:24.34`	`Hell-Razor`	`anybody know what addon i have to get in order to see the CoT with atlas?`
`16:24.38`	`chexsum`	`shaman + rogues imo`
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`16:25.00`	`vithos`	`if we had a second enh shaman, we'd probably get a hunter group made more than once in a blue moon`
`16:25.09`	`Elsia`	`we have very variable signup. Anyway to cut the point short, just because a hunter has a shaman doesn't mean that he can get mana tide.`
`16:25.12`	`Pkekyo\|`	`chexsumi live in 30C heat and feel cold <--- wanna trade? :p`
`16:25.18`	`Codayus`	`We tend to run with 1 enh, 0 ele, and like, a million restos. ><`
`16:25.27`	`chexsum`	`nope i hate dolc weather`
`16:25.31`	`chexsum`	`cold`
`16:25.45`	`Elsia`	`alright then in your case you can asusme that they all have tide ;)`
`16:25.53`	`Pkekyo\|`	`to me 5 degrees C is warm :>`
`16:26.13`	`Codayus`	`Some weeks, we can just assume they everyone in the damn raid has tide, and leave it that. :-/`
`16:26.17`	`chexsum`	`5C is freezing here lol`
`16:26.29`	`Codayus`	`(We had NO raiding shamans, so had a recruiting drive. We suceeded, I guess...)`
`16:26.49`	`vithos`	`but if they can go 17 minutes without using Viper, without tide, then i'd consider them just fine on the mana situation`
`16:27.12`	`chexsum`	`windfury > mana tide`
`16:27.16`	`chexsum`	`end it quick`
`16:27.28`	`vithos`	`windfury for hunters?`
`16:27.37`	`Elsia`	`windfury is air, tide is water also you want grace for hunters`
`16:27.37`	`chexsum`	`no`
`16:27.51`	`vithos`	`brb leveling 2h skill.`
`16:27.56`	`Codayus`	`Actually, we HAVE wandered far afield, which is... Given a spriest, they should be able to go forever. Failing that, JoW. Failing that, they'll need to abuse consumables, especially on long fights.`
`16:28.02`	`Hell-Razor`	`vithos, windfury is for melee`
`16:28.05`	`chexsum`	`windfury in fury/rogue group :)`
`16:28.07`	`vithos`	`i'm aware.`
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`16:28.38`	`Elsia`	`anway, dinner time for me. have fun folks`
`16:28.44`	`Codayus`	`Hell-Razor: This issue is, saying "windfury > mana tide" doesn't make a lot of sense in context, for a whole range of reasons, starting with the fact that you can have both...`
`16:29.24`	`Hell-Razor`	`Codayus, interesting... doesnt make sense at all`
`16:30.04`	`vithos`	`kinda like what you said in the first place :p`
`16:30.21`	`Hell-Razor`	`vithos> windfury for hunters?`
`16:30.26`	`Ozguli`	`does quartz have some option to filter buffs?`
`16:30.42`	`vithos`	`because all we're talking about is hunter sustainability`
`16:30.47`	`vithos`	`mana-wise`
`16:30.49`	`chexsum`	`use classtimers imo`
`16:31.07`	`Xinhuan`	`Gnarfoz did wowhead ever reply you about the terocones in SMV?`
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`16:58.45`	`TecnoBrat`	`<Xinhuan> Gnarfoz did wowhead ever reply you about the terocones in SMV?`
`16:58.53`	`TecnoBrat`	`Its been reported :)`
`16:58.57`	`Xinhuan`	`aha`
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`17:11.46`	`RaydenUni`	`:P`
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`17:31.06`	`Pkekyo\|`	`RaydenUni"On your 19th birthday, you consider twinking yourself out." <--- o'rly? will have to look into that...mine's coming up :>`
`17:31.17`	`RaydenUni`	`sweet`
`17:31.24`	`RaydenUni`	`hard decision though`
`17:31.32`	`RaydenUni`	`the new abilities you get at 21 make it hard to stay at 19`
`17:31.38`	`RaydenUni`	`so tempting`
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`17:35.04`	`sb_`	`libsharedmedia throws a lot of asserts`
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`17:44.33`	`sb_`	`sharedmedia error?`
`17:44.34`	`RaydenUni`	`how many healers do you guys usually run for kara? 3?`
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`17:45.06`	`RaydenUni`	`my guild has always run 2`
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`17:45.24`	`Industrial`	`3`
`17:45.24`	`RaydenUni`	`we've only done up to curator though`
`17:45.35`	`mort`	`1 tank, 2 healers, 7 dd`
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`17:46.08`	`sb_`	`well - with SSC+ equip, of course...`
`17:46.15`	`rubik`	`3 healers while learning.. 2 when you can clear it in 3-3.5 hrs`
`17:46.27`	`mort`	`mostly karazhanequip`
`17:46.40`	`mort`	`we go there with twinks`
`17:47.05`	`mort`	`there is really no fight where you need a 3. healer`
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`17:47.32`	`rubik`	`if all karazhan/badge equipped, you're outgearing all bosses with possible exception on prince.. where it depends how good your tank is and how well geared too`
`17:48.19`	`mort`	`we never ever had more than 2 healers with us (but started with 2 tanks because we had no paladin)`
`17:48.35`	`rubik`	`yeah.. i wish our guild had a pally tank`
`17:49.08`	`RaydenUni`	`we have a pally tank warrior off tank`
`17:49.11`	`mort`	`and 2 blue wquipped healers do just fine there`
`17:49.16`	`RaydenUni`	`2 healers`
`17:49.20`	`RaydenUni`	`seemed to do fine`
`17:49.29`	`rubik`	`cool.. that'll work`
`17:49.31`	`RaydenUni`	`had trouble on aran i guess`
`17:50.12`	`mort`	`nightbane is probably he most healing intensive fight`
`17:50.12`	`rubik`	`hah.. aran always touchy esp. if you bring new people along.. "flame wreath? what? i didn't move!"`
`17:50.26`	`RaydenUni`	`we had 9 people who had never done aran before`
`17:50.28`	`RaydenUni`	`everyone but me`
`17:50.39`	`RaydenUni`	`and i had fought him once with another guild and they didn't kill him`
`17:50.55`	`rubik`	`you guys seen the karazhan bingo thing?`
`17:50.57`	`RaydenUni`	`i learned something about flame wreath`
`17:51.03`	`RaydenUni`	`battle rez triggers it`
`17:51.10`	`Ellipsis`	`lulz`
`17:51.13`	`RaydenUni`	`<-- responsible for wipe`
`17:51.16`	`rubik`	`http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j302/Roxxsmom/karabingo.gif`
`17:51.17`	`nevcairiel`	`i would've guessed that`
`17:51.18`	`nevcairiel`	`:P`
`17:51.19`	`mort`	`mihihi`
`17:51.19`	`RaydenUni`	`rubik yeah`
`17:51.28`	`RaydenUni`	`battle rez != moving`
`17:51.40`	`RaydenUni`	`one of those squares is going to be obsolete`
`17:51.46`	`RaydenUni`	`"someone forgets to retrain spells after respec`
`17:51.58`	`rubik`	`yup`
`17:52.09`	`mort`	`"the raid has one healer" <- that does actually work... ;)`
`17:52.20`	`RaydenUni`	`what is this "calls out for healing" ?`
`17:52.26`	`rubik`	`haha`
`17:52.38`	`RaydenUni`	`i dps less than the pally tank on trash pulls`
`17:52.42`	`RaydenUni`	`by a lot`
`17:52.46`	`RaydenUni`	`i do like 200dps on trash`
`17:52.53`	`RaydenUni`	`gogo wand!`
`17:52.57`	`rubik`	`that stupid addon that some people have that lets raid know when they're low on HP`
`17:53.01`	`Ellipsis`	`uh`
`17:53.09`	`Ellipsis`	`the mage table one will be as well...`
`17:53.28`	`Pkekyo\|`	`oy, I'm rebuilding a computer here, and I've gotten to the connecting of the front panel... what the flying fuck is 'HD Audio' and 'AC97' ?`
`17:53.42`	`RaydenUni`	`i'm guessing hd audio is high def audio`
`17:53.43`	`RaydenUni`	`:P`
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`17:53.50`	`rubik`	`RaydenUni: and even less on those worms that are immune to magic, i bet.. :P`
`17:53.55`	`Estil`	`ew :(`
`17:53.59`	`Estil`	`you have a realtek onboard sound`
`17:54.00`	`Estil`	`worst ever`
`17:54.01`	`Estil`	`:(`
`17:54.03`	`RaydenUni`	`rubik well on those i get to level my mace skill`
`17:54.08`	`RaydenUni`	`but so do all casters`
`17:54.10`	`Pkekyo\|`	`and what the flying fuck does that have to do with the front panel, RaydenUni? - more importantly, where do I connect it?`
`17:54.11`	`rubik`	`yup`
`17:54.15`	`RaydenUni`	`no idea`
`17:54.23`	`Estil`	`ac97 is just a name of standard`
`17:54.25`	`Ellipsis`	`Pkekyo\|: does your case have front audio ports?`
`17:54.25`	`Estil`	`or codec`
`17:54.31`	`Estil`	`that Intel set forth for creating audio device`
`17:54.36`	`Pkekyo\|`	`aye, I'm connecting the front panel now`
`17:54.40`	`RaydenUni`	`it's different on trash where the mage, the warlock, and the pally tank are all doing 1500+ dps and the uber geared shadow priest is doing 200 :D`
`17:54.49`	`Ellipsis`	`so um...audio wires, audio ports...think maybe they go together? :P`
`17:54.50`	`Kirkburn`	`Hey, we can distinguish indentically named mobs 2.4?`
`17:55.04`	`Ellipsis`	`welcome to 2008 Kirkburn :P`
`17:55.04`	`rubik`	`Kirkburn: yes`
`17:55.09`	`RaydenUni`	`i had someone break my shackle and feign death one run`
`17:55.10`	`RaydenUni`	`that sucked`
`17:55.11`	`Kirkburn`	`yay`
`17:55.14`	`Estil`	`most systems colorcode it Pke`
`17:55.17`	`RaydenUni`	`"STOP MULTISHOTTING MY SHACKLES MORON!"`
`17:55.21`	`Kirkburn`	`Was just updating myself on the UI thread`
`17:55.25`	`Estil`	`usually, if it is colored green on the connector it is the right one`
`17:55.31`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Estil: yeah, that's what I reckoned...where do I connect that?`
`17:55.31`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: DUH...where on the motherboard? only thing labeled that's close to 'audio' is 'speaker', which is a reference to that piece of shit beeping-speaker that's in the chassis`
`17:55.35`	`RaydenUni`	`well gotta get to a talk`
`17:55.36`	`RaydenUni`	`cya people`
`17:55.47`	`Estil`	`oh`
`17:55.50`	`Estil`	`on the motherboard`
`17:55.52`	`Pkekyo\|`	`aye`
`17:55.56`	`Ellipsis`	`laggy Pkekyo\| is laggy`
`17:55.57`	`Estil`	`do you have the mobo manual`
`17:56.11`	`Kirkburn`	`Ooh, everyone should start listing their own GUID when they find out :P`
`17:56.15`	`Pkekyo\|`	`yes, like I said, no reference to audio`
`17:56.25`	`Estil`	`lol :(`
`17:56.36`	`Estil`	`so you're trying to connect what to what again? sorry to ask but I just joined`
`17:57.08`	`Estil`	`with all the systems I've worked with`
`17:57.12`	`Estil`	`only connection related to sound on the motherboard`
`17:57.16`	`Pkekyo\|`	`'AC97' and 'HD Audio' (labeled on the plugs coming from the front panel)...`
`17:57.17`	`Estil`	`is the speakers`
`17:57.31`	`Estil`	`or the cd-in connector`
`17:57.50`	`Pkekyo\|`	`there's a reference to a speaker connection on the front panel header, but it's for the in-case speaker that does all the fucking error-message beeping...allready connected the cd-in`
`17:58.04`	`Estil`	`then it seems it is a non-standard casing`
`17:58.15`	`Estil`	`there is no motherboard that I know of that has direct connection on mobo for "ac97" or "hd audio"`
`17:58.17`	`rubik`	`woot.. just got new leased laptop from work (old lease was up).. xps m1530 with a 256mb 8600gt video card.. should play WoW just fine eh?`
`17:58.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Estil: that's highly probable...my brother bought a cheap-ass chassis because he couldn't afford anything proper :p`
`17:59.04`	`rubik`	`just gotta reformat it real quick to get rid of vista and set up xp...`
`17:59.12`	`Pkekyo\|`	`(now that I'm forced to rebuild it, I wish I'd sponsored him for a BigTower case)`
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`17:59.18`	`Pkekyo\|`	`rubik: congratulations :)`
`17:59.24`	`Ozguli`	`wtf is a mirror bar?`
`17:59.29`	`rubik`	`tyty`
`18:00.03`	`genetik`	`Ozguli: swimming air bar is one example, i believe`
`18:00.10`	`genetik`	`if i remember correctly`
`18:00.14`	`Ozguli`	`ooh okay`
`18:00.38`	`Estil`	`imo Pke`
`18:00.41`	`Estil`	`just ignore those connections`
`18:00.50`	`Estil`	`I have never seen a system that had such wires`
`18:00.54`	`Estil`	`nor mobos with it`
`18:01.30`	`Pkekyo\|`	`'Front Panel Audio Header' should be sufficient for the AC97, no?`
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`18:02.01`	`Estil`	`I have to go now, college :(`
`18:02.10`	`Estil`	`hope you get it found out , although I recommend you can ignore them`
`18:02.15`	`Estil`	`and won't impact anything`
`18:02.17`	`Pkekyo\|`	`g'byes, gl hf`
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`18:02.23`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I'll most likely ignore them`
`18:03.25`	`Ozguli`	`pff... now I need to add some fancy graphics`
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`18:03.46`	`Ozguli`	`to make my UI look like an UI instead of a set of bars, frames and whatnot`
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`18:05.12`	`mort`	`art takes away screenspace and offers nothing in return`
`18:05.43`	`Ellipsis`	`it can offer something in return`
`18:05.49`	`Ellipsis`	`but rarely does the way most people do their UI art`
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`18:06.15`	`mort`	`i like to see as much of the world as possible`
`18:07.01`	`Ellipsis`	`so do I, but visual separation/grouping of UI elements helps me find things on the screen faster`
`18:07.14`	`Ozguli`	`I want shiny semi transparent glowing stars, stripes or whatever around the stuff on my screen`
`18:07.56`	`CIA-10`	`03kunda * r60606 10Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0/NPCModules/BlackTemple/Souls.lua: Threat-1.0: deDE fix`
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`18:09.38`	`mort`	`ewww`
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`18:12.43`	`mort`	`http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1328/wowscrnshot012308161141rc8.jpg the only thing that takes up much scren space is my grid in raids ;)`
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`18:18.50`	`Twist-`	`yeah`
`18:18.58`	`Twist-`	`er.. wrong channel.`
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`18:25.32`	`Pkekyo\|`	`mort: get a bigger monitor/use a higher resolution and l2uiscale`
`18:27.00`	`mort`	`why should i scale something? i like the size of my ui elements`
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`18:28.39`	`Pkekyo\|`	`if you want maximum screen space, you need to lay off that hugeass T/ToT/ToToT frames, minimap, bars and cooldown counter... no wonder if you have everything that's vital to you HUGE AS CAN BE, you want to keep the rest of your screen clear...that's about 20-25% of your screenspace right there...`
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`18:30.30`	`mort`	`i can't scale them down or i need better eyes/a bigger screen ;)`
`18:31.00`	`Pkekyo\|`	`get a bigger screen AND glasses then`
`18:31.38`	`Pkekyo\|`	`- or contacts, if your basic sexyness isn't sexy enough to be sexy with glasses too`
`18:31.40`	`maia`	`someone go and write a magnification lens addon`
`18:31.59`	`Pkekyo\|`	`maia: how'd you figure that'd work?`
`18:32.30`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Xinhuan: ping`
`18:32.34`	`Xinhuan`	`pong`
`18:32.41`	`maia`	`when using the addon, the 100px surrounding circle of your cursor position will be scaled by 200%`
`18:33.00`	`maia`	`I'm just kidding btw.`
`18:33.12`	`[SW]Dodge`	`is it ok if i use the profile part of Gathermate for my plugin?`
`18:33.39`	`kneeki`	`Is there a way to create a list of buttons in a for loop w/o having them be local to that loop?`
`18:33.57`	`kneeki`	`I have 60 buttons I'm creating, and I'm wondering if there is any way to do it that's not 60 lines long =P`
`18:34.03`	`mort`	`anyway i will see what i can do to reduce the sice of the unit frames /minimap`
`18:34.23`	`Yssaril`	`just dotn make the table local or make it local to the file kneeki`
`18:34.39`	`mort`	`i could probalby get completely rid of the unit frames`
`18:34.42`	`Xinhuan`	`easy kneeki, put it all on one line :P`
`18:34.52`	`kneeki`	`Xinhauan, LOL!`
`18:34.52`	`Yssaril`	`rofl :P`
`18:35.05`	`kneeki`	`well...`
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`18:35.22`	`kneeki`	`Hmm`
`18:35.23`	`[SW]Dodge`	`kneeki: loop :)`
`18:35.24`	`kneeki`	`I dono =(`
`18:35.37`	`kneeki`	`Yeah, using a loop now to assign all the properties of the buttons`
`18:35.48`	`kneeki`	`but I have trouble figuring out how to create the buttons using a loop`
`18:36.18`	`kneeki`	`I have to use 'ClassButton60 = CreateFrame("Button", "ClassButton60", UIParent, "ClassButtonsTemplate")' for each button I create`
`18:36.28`	`kneeki`	`then I can use a loop to assign the width, height 'n so forth`
`18:36.34`	`Yssaril`	`local buttonlist; for x=1,60 do buttonlist[x] = createbutton(someoptionshere) end`
`18:37.02`	`Xinhuan`	`ClassButton[x] = CreateFrame("Button", "ClassButton"..x, UIParent, "ClassButtonsTemplate")`
`18:37.03`	`Xinhuan`	`easy?`
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`18:37.27`	`Yssaril`	`local ClassButton; for x=1,60 do ClassButton[x] = CreateFrame("Button", "ClassButton"..x, UIParent, "ClassButtonsTemplate")) end`
`18:37.29`	`Yssaril`	`:P`
`18:37.31`	`kneeki`	`Humm`
`18:37.34`	`[SW]Dodge`	`Xinhuan: is it ok..?`
`18:37.42`	`Yssaril`	`gives you 60 buttons`
`18:37.55`	`Xinhuan`	`dodge, ask nevcairiel, he wrote that part`
`18:37.58`	`kneeki`	`I'll give that a shot, and see if there are any issues with it`
`18:38.01`	`[SW]Dodge`	`ah ok`
`18:38.03`	`Xinhuan`	`for both gathermate and bartender 4`
`18:38.07`	`kneeki`	`thx`
`18:38.08`	`[SW]Dodge`	`nevcairiel: ping? :)`
`18:38.30`	`nevcairiel`	`sure use it`
`18:38.31`	`Xinhuan`	`he's busy fixing a bug in aceaddon-3.0 which i found ;p`
`18:38.40`	`[SW]Dodge`	`thanks :)`
`18:38.41`	`Yssaril`	`lol`
`18:38.57`	`nevcairiel`	`its a minor bordercase bug, not spending too much braincells on it :P`
`18:39.12`	`Xinhuan`	`just change the loops from for i = 1, #`
`18:39.21`	`Xinhuan`	`to a while loop that uses tremove()`
`18:39.23`	`Xinhuan`	`and it'll be ok`
`18:39.30`	`nevcairiel`	`not the other bug`
`18:39.37`	`Xinhuan`	`the other one, don't worry about it`
`18:39.52`	`Xinhuan`	`i'll either think of a solution for it`
`18:40.02`	`Xinhuan`	`or document it that you shouldn't loadaddon() in main chunk`
`18:40.03`	`nevcairiel`	`the solution Ace2 used isnt too bad`
`18:40.36`	`Xinhuan`	`the ace2 solution only assumes you have 1 addon object though?`
`18:40.43`	`nevcairiel`	`not really`
`18:40.59`	`Yssaril`	`later guys off to work`
`18:41.04`	`nevcairiel`	`it scans all addons and stores their status of IsAddOnLoaded`
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`18:41.56`	`nevcairiel`	`and it compares that list to the arg1, if its in, its alright to call OnInit`
`18:41.57`	`[SW]Dodge`	`nevcairiel: if you are bored you can add an option to open an option group in the tree menu by default in aceconfig/dialog-3.0 :)`
`18:42.01`	`Xinhuan`	`and it detects during which addon's loading is adding the addon object?`
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`18:43.33`	`CIA-10`	`03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r60607 10Ace3/AceAddon-3.0/AceAddon-3.0.lua:`
`18:43.33`	`CIA-10`	`Ace3 - AceAddon-3.0`
`18:43.33`	`CIA-10`	`- fix a bug with recursive addon loading (addon calling LoadAddOn during OnInit or OnEnabled)`
`18:43.47`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah it just checks the table for the arg1`
`18:44.12`	`kneeki`	`Wow, brain fart.... What's wrong with: ClassButton[x].."Text" = ClassButton[x]:CreateFontString(nil, "BACKGROUND") ??`
`18:44.27`	`kneeki`	`error: '=' expected near '..'`
`18:44.34`	`nevcairiel`	`cant append .."Text" to a button object`
`18:44.41`	`kneeki`	`oh`
`18:45.16`	`dylanm`	`:GetName()`
`18:45.21`	`Xinhuan`	`because in my scenerio where in ace3 it would break, the default is FIFO, while in loadaddon's scenerio, you want LIFO`
`18:45.22`	`[SW]Dodge`	`kneeki: ClassButton[x].text = Classbutton[x]:createfonstirng...`
`18:45.26`	`dylanm`	`And uh... you're assigning.`
`18:45.28`	`dylanm`	`Woops.`
`18:46.12`	`Xinhuan`	`and FIFO is necessary since you want the core addon's to run first before any modules`
`18:46.57`	`kneeki`	`Thanks Dodge :)`
`18:47.01`	`[SW]Dodge`	`np :)`
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`18:49.43`	`kneeki`	`wtheck`
`18:49.46`	`kneeki`	`=\`
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`18:50.19`	`NivFreak`	`hrmm`
`18:50.26`	`NivFreak`	`are mag's Channeler's tauntable?`
`18:50.42`	`Xinhuan`	`don't remember`
`18:50.47`	`Xinhuan`	`does it matter?`
`18:50.48`	`NivFreak`	`I don't either =/`
`18:51.05`	`nevcairiel`	`i dont think they are`
`18:52.55`	`Poul\|Raider`	`what data type is "0xF13000002800172A" ? hex ?`
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`18:53.12`	`kneeki`	`local ClassButton; for x = 1, 60 do ClassButton[x] = CreateFrame("Button", "ClassButton"..x, UIParent, "ClassButtonsTemplate") ......' is giving me error: 'attempt to index local 'ClassButton' (a nil value)'`
`18:53.22`	`genetik`	`NivFreak: they are`
`18:53.40`	`Xinhuan`	`local ClassButton = {}`
`18:53.43`	`Xinhuan`	`(duh)`
`18:53.48`	`kneeki`	`I need to do that?`
`18:53.53`	`Xinhuan`	`of course?`
`18:54.08`	`kneeki`	`shrug`
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`18:59.10`	`kneeki`	`Grrr! Using the .Text instead of just adding .."Text" is causing other bugs. local text = getglobal("ClassButton"..i..".Text" is returning a nil value`
`18:59.21`	`kneeki`	`I hate getting stumped on stuff like this`
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`18:59.55`	`CIA-10`	`03xinhuan 07Taboo * r60608 10Routes/Routes.lua:`
`18:59.56`	`CIA-10`	`Routes: Don't call self:MINIMAP_UPDATE_ZOOM() in OnEnable() because the CVARs`
`18:59.56`	`CIA-10`	`aren't applied yet. MINIMAP_UPDATE_ZOOM gets fired automatically by wow when it`
`18:59.56`	`CIA-10`	`applies the CVARs later. This fixes the issue where it resets the minimap zoom`
`18:59.56`	`CIA-10`	`to 3 on a fresh login.`
`19:00.03`	`kergoth`	`of course it is, i'm sure there's no global named ClassButton1.Text. there's probably a global named ClassButton1, which in turn has a member of Text`
`19:00.12`	`kergoth`	`getglobal("ClassButton"..i).Text`
`19:01.12`	`Brimm`	`Anyone able to help me setup externals to properly use the Threat-1.0 lib? I can't seem to figure out what I need to include and what I don't need to include (using Omen as a template)`
`19:01.23`	`kneeki`	`Well, you were defenatly righta bout that kergoth`
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`19:04.36`	`Brimm`	`No one has any experience with using Threat-1.0 in one of their Addons?`
`19:05.00`	`Xinhuan`	`only 3 or 4 addons use it`
`19:05.05`	`Xinhuan`	`i think?`
`19:05.05`	`Brimm`	`True`
`19:05.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`check one of them out, then? :)`
`19:05.16`	`Brimm`	`I did`
`19:05.18`	`Brimm`	`Omen`
`19:05.23`	`Brimm`	`But Omen is slightly more complicated :p`
`19:05.32`	`Brimm`	`I'm just wondering how I figure out what libs need to be included and which don't`
`19:05.49`	`Brimm`	`the Threat-1.0 wiki page states embeds - do I need to include those? I suppose I do`
`19:06.13`	`CIA-10`	`03xinhuan * r60609 10Cartographer/Cartographer_Notes/Notes.lua:`
`19:06.13`	`CIA-10`	`Cartographer: Don't call self:MINIMAP_UPDATE_ZOOM() in OnEnable() because the`
`19:06.13`	`CIA-10`	`CVARs aren't applied yet. MINIMAP_UPDATE_ZOOM gets fired automatically by wow`
`19:06.13`	`CIA-10`	`when it applies the CVARs later. This fixes the issue where it resets the`
`19:06.13`	`CIA-10`	`minimap zoom to 3 on a fresh login.`
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`19:07.42`	`CIA-10`	`03xinhuan * r60610 10Cartographer_Routes/Core.lua:`
`19:07.42`	`CIA-10`	`Cartographer_Routes: Don't call self:MINIMAP_UPDATE_ZOOM() in OnEnable() because`
`19:07.42`	`CIA-10`	`the CVARs aren't applied yet. MINIMAP_UPDATE_ZOOM gets fired automatically by`
`19:07.42`	`CIA-10`	`wow when it applies the CVARs later. This fixes the issue where it resets the`
`19:07.42`	`CIA-10`	`minimap zoom to 3 on a fresh login.`
`19:07.59`	`kergoth`	`nice, i was wondering what was doing that`
`19:08.39`	`Xinhuan`	`indeed`
`19:10.21`	`CIA-10`	`03xinhuan * r60611 10Routes/Routes.lua:`
`19:10.21`	`CIA-10`	`Routes: Don't call self:MINIMAP_UPDATE_ZOOM() in OnEnable() because the CVARs`
`19:10.21`	`CIA-10`	`aren't applied yet. MINIMAP_UPDATE_ZOOM gets fired automatically by wow when it`
`19:10.21`	`CIA-10`	`applies the CVARs later. This fixes the issue where it resets the minimap zoom`
`19:10.21`	`CIA-10`	`to 3 on a fresh login.`
`19:10.56`	`maia`	`Brimm: take a look at GridStatusThreat`
`19:11.09`	`Camma`	`http://www.staehlernefaust.de/content/images/concept.jpg`
`19:11.09`	`Camma`	`it's a Concept from what i'd like to make for a complete UI. with the information in the bottem. any thoughts`
`19:11.21`	`Brimm`	`maia: thanks for the tip, I'll look into it`
`19:11.22`	`Xinhuan`	`hmm looks like i generated quite a bit of channel spam there`
`19:11.33`	`nevcairiel`	`you evil evil man`
`19:11.41`	`Xinhuan`	`well it needed fixing`
`19:12.07`	`maia`	`Xinhuan: even worse, the 5x per day I check the svn RSS all I see is routes, routes, routes ;)`
`19:12.24`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't subscribe to the RSS for that reason`
`19:12.28`	`maia`	`lol`
`19:12.34`	`Xinhuan`	`and perhaps the rss shouldn't be reporting changes in branches`
`19:12.36`	`maia`	`you'd just see yourself`
`19:12.56`	`maia`	`dunno, I like seeing whats happening in branches`
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`19:16.44`	`Pkekyo\|`	`HAI PREGNANTS`
`19:16.52`	`Brimm`	`What would be the reason for getting a message "Cannot find a library instance of Threat-1.0"?`
`19:16.56`	`Xinhuan`	`branches is where all the active development is maia ;d`
`19:17.03`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Brimm: you don't have Threat-1.0`
`19:17.10`	`Xinhuan`	`as it was, i traced an issue in my addon to your RosterLib`
`19:17.15`	`Xinhuan`	`(dont' worry, it wasn't your fault)`
`19:17.41`	`Brimm`	`Okay, say I'm sure I have the Lib setup properly and I'm doing the <Include file="Libs/Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0.xml"/>?`
`19:17.58`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Brimm: then you're not right`
`19:18.00`	`nevcairiel`	`shouldnt you use \`
`19:18.00`	`nevcairiel`	`?`
`19:18.01`	`Xinhuan`	`nobody's fault really, i was just wondering my addon's OnEnabled() is being fired during RosterLib's ADDON_LOADED ;p`
`19:18.24`	`Pkekyo\|`	`and yes, \ is for local navigation, / is for zeh intarwebs`
`19:18.27`	`Xinhuan`	`<Include file="Libs\Threat-1.0\Threat-1.0.xml"/>`
`19:18.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`and i think you should use lib.xml not Threat-1.0.xml`
`19:18.30`	`Xinhuan`	`and it'll be correct`
`19:18.35`	`Pkekyo\|`	`well, in most cases anyways`
`19:18.38`	`Xinhuan`	`or that too`
`19:19.12`	`nevcairiel`	`Threat-1.0.xml is a alias to lib.xml`
`19:19.20`	`nevcairiel`	`it'll load lib.xml`
`19:19.23`	`maia`	`forward slashes case pain in OSX - instead of creating folders, it creates file names with forward slashes`
`19:19.24`	`nevcairiel`	`so thats not a issue`
`19:19.36`	`Brimm`	`No, I found the issue`
`19:19.47`	`Brimm`	`There's a Threat-1.0 dir inside the Threat-1.0 dir`
`19:19.59`	`Brimm`	`Guess I screwed something up while setting up externals in the svn`
`19:20.00`	`Xinhuan`	`heh`
`19:20.23`	`Pkekyo\|`	`wtf, why would I have registered on curse.com?`
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`19:20.37`	`Brimm`	`Libs/Threat-1.0 http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Threat-1.0/`
`19:20.42`	`Brimm`	`Doesn't look wrong`
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`19:20.54`	`kenlyric`	`Pkekyo\|: maybe you registered on wowhead and the registration got copied over`
`19:23.55`	`Firelemming`	`evening all`
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`19:26.45`	`CIA-10`	`03ammo * r60612 10GuildFilter/GuildFilter.lua: GuildFilter: also filter for guild rank`
`19:28.48`	`Xinhuan`	`[2/9 03:20:28] <Brimm> Libs/Threat-1.0 http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Threat-1.0/`
`19:28.50`	`Xinhuan`	`that's wrong`
`19:28.53`	`Xinhuan`	`it shuld be`
`19:29.01`	`Xinhuan`	`Libs/Threat-1.0 http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0`
`19:29.08`	`Xinhuan`	`so that you don't include the root folder`
`19:29.14`	`Julith`	`maia: i can hear you but my messages seem not to get through to you`
`19:29.17`	`Xinhuan`	`i.e your external shouldn't contain the xml, toc files`
`19:29.26`	`Xinhuan`	`you just want the lua file directly`
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`19:29.34`	`Xinhuan`	`which your embeds.xml or toc will load`
`19:29.39`	`maia`	`Julith: I assume you're not registered with irc?`
`19:29.50`	`maia`	`Julith: that would explain why you can't send private messages`
`19:29.50`	`Brimm`	`Xinhuan: yeah, I noticed that, thanks - do I need to include any "extra" libraries? Like Babble and the like or?`
`19:30.00`	`Julith`	`could be, yes`
`19:30.02`	`Xinhuan`	`yes, if threat uses them`
`19:30.08`	`Xinhuan`	`yu have to external them as well`
`19:30.11`	`Xinhuan`	`in the same manner`
`19:30.14`	`Brimm`	`Okay.`
`19:30.47`	`maia`	`Julith: I think it is: /msg nickserv register PASSWORD EMAIL`
`19:30.58`	`Xinhuan`	`and load them in the lib dependency order`
`19:31.12`	`maia`	`Julith: and then later to identify: /msg nickserv identify PASSWORD`
`19:31.37`	`Brimm`	`I take it the order is the one on the wiki for Ace2?`
`19:31.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`just look at threat-1.0's embeds.xml`
`19:32.20`	`Xinhuan`	`if lib A uses B, and B uses C, then obviously you have to load them in the order C -> B -> A`
`19:32.31`	`Xinhuan`	`that's all i meant`
`19:32.36`	`Brimm`	`yep, I get that, thanks :)`
`19:32.48`	`Xinhuan`	`A == threat, B == babble, C == acelibrary`
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`19:35.42`	`Firelemming`	`lol cba`
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`19:37.53`	`CIA-10`	`03kagaro * r60613 10simpleMinimap/modules/skins.lua: simpleMinimap: fixed bug in minimape shape for bottom left/right top left/right`
`19:40.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`is it just me or are the wow forums acting up`
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`19:46.53`	`Elsia`	`which ones? us or eu? us seems fine`
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`19:49.47`	`CIA-10`	`03brimm * r60614 10MyThreat/:`
`19:49.47`	`CIA-10`	`MyThreat:`
`19:49.47`	`CIA-10`	`-Fixed broken externals`
`19:50.00`	`Brimm`	`Thanks for the help with the externals`
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`19:51.35`	`TecnoBrat`	`Arrowmaster, like always? :P`
`19:51.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`nah it was slower than normal`
`19:52.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`was getting timeouts and a page with no css`
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`19:53.00`	`cncfanatics`	`hello all`
`19:54.28`	`Firelemming`	`hello cncfanatics`
`19:57.18`	`CIA-10`	`03brimm * r60615 10MyThreat/embeds.xml:`
`19:57.18`	`CIA-10`	`MyThreat:`
`19:57.18`	`CIA-10`	`-Updated broken embeds.xml file.`
`19:57.30`	`Firelemming`	`brimm what does you addon do?`
`19:57.35`	`Firelemming`	`your*`
`19:58.58`	`Brimm`	`I'll tell you in a sec, it's still making me upset :p`
`20:00.16`	`CIA-10`	`03brimm * r60616 10MyThreat/:`
`20:00.16`	`CIA-10`	`MyThreat:`
`20:00.16`	`CIA-10`	`-Added missing external.`
`20:00.38`	`Brimm`	`Basically, it adds a single frame with 3 values: current % of tank's threat, current delta with tank's threat and estimated time to pull 100% threat at current TPS`
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`21:03.04`	`*** topic/#wowace is http://www.wowace.com \| http://files.wowace.com/ \| http://ace.pastey.net \| http://www.lua.org \| Ace3 in beta \| WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 \| Everything of importance has been said before by somebody who did not discover it.`
`21:03.21`	`Pkekyo\|`	`and now he's wondering why his CD-key isn't working, when he's replaced all the zeros with '�' (localized special character)`
`21:04.11`	`Elsia`	`nice to have a brother to help :D`
`21:05.20`	`Pkekyo\|`	`<--- soooo looking forward to move out`
`21:05.50`	`Pkekyo\|`	`now he for some reason came in here, started messing about behind my computer, and left...wouldn't say a word`
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`21:07.05`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I'm the 'neighbourhood techie'...a somewhat clueless one at that :p`
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`21:12.21`	`Elsia`	`yeah I know, once you have the "computer whiz" label folks call you for anything`
`21:12.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`indeed.`
`21:12.32`	`Gnarfoz`	`annoying :<`
`21:13.04`	`Elsia`	`my favorite is when they start reading stuff off their window screen, and I realize they just read random irrelevant stuff off`
`21:13.04`	`CIA-10`	`03keiss * r60618 10Manasurge/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Manasurge: Initial import.`
`21:14.07`	`Gnarfoz`	`Elsia: heh, and they skip the important stuff`
`21:14.25`	`Elsia`	`well I tend to direct them at that point usually`
`21:14.35`	`Pkekyo\|`	`aye, rather than the 'this is what is actually wrong' section of an error message, they usually start with the two-page 'something has gone wrong and microsoft may or may not be able to fix it but here's some intarwebs sites and stuff so you can read about it and bla blabedibla blabediblablabla...."`
`21:15.55`	`Fisker-`	`ooh keiss wuts manasurge_`
`21:15.56`	`Fisker-`	`?`
`21:16.43`	`keiss`	`theres a README, but in short its an addon for switching weapon sets depending on spellsurge procs`
`21:17.14`	`Fisker-`	`cool`
`21:19.38`	`Killmore`	`hmmm nice`
`21:20.01`	`nevcairiel`	`you know that switching a weapon gives your GCD right?`
`21:20.11`	`Killmore`	`hope a second crystal spine of karabor drop, 1 with spellsurge and the new one with 81heals`
`21:20.12`	`nevcairiel`	`isnt that kinda bad..?`
`21:20.13`	`keiss`	`nevcairiel: read README its covered`
`21:20.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`"In another case, a truck painted with DirecTV and other markings was pulled over in a routine traffic stop in Mississippi and discovered to be carrying 786 pounds of cocaine. Police said they became suspicious because the truck carried the markings or DirecTV and several of its rivals. An 800 number on the truck’s rear to report bad driving referred callers to an adult sex chat line."`
`21:20.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`rofl`
`21:20.34`	`keiss`	`the addon tries to switch the weapons on the next spellcast and that prevents a GCD trigger`
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`21:23.55`	`Elsia`	`hmm that works? interesting`
`21:24.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`you only get a GCD for swaping weapons while in combat right?`
`21:24.52`	`charon`	`monring`
`21:24.55`	`keiss`	`Arrowmaster: not sure atm , but if your ooc the switch is instant`
`21:24.56`	`charon`	`*morning`
`21:25.07`	`charon`	`can anyone confirm that pitbull health bars are all the wrong way around now?`
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`21:27.04`	`Josh_Borke`	`charon: disable barfader`
`21:27.17`	`charon`	`thanks, will try`
`21:27.40`	`charon`	`Josh_Borke: it was disabled all along`
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`21:28.10`	`pdpi`	`hey all`
`21:28.28`	`pdpi`	`is it just me, or is the last build of libDogTag/PitBull completely borked?`
`21:29.02`	`NivFreak`	`I'm still trying to figure out why pitbull randomly moved my extra bar to the bottom after the last major set of changes ;)`
`21:29.42`	`pdpi`	`I'm talking about "frames don't actually render and Swatter grabs a C stack error" sort of completely borked. so proper completely borked :o)`
`21:29.48`	`Killmore`	`can confirm, out of combat there is no GCD for switching, but yes when you're in combat`
`21:30.43`	`Josh_Borke`	`antiarc: can you work on omen swallowing?`
`21:30.53`	`keiss`	`Killmore: yes , but you can switch while a GCD is in progress`
`21:32.30`	`Killmore`	`yes`
`21:33.08`	`kneeki`	`Bummer!`
`21:33.47`	`kneeki`	`SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN fires before UNIT_SPELLCAST_CHANNEL_STOP so it's not triggering the global reset of cooldowns on buttons :(`
`21:34.58`	`Killmore`	`it just "reset" the GCD`
`21:35.07`	`kneeki`	`yea`
`21:35.09`	`Killmore`	`so if the addon is fast, you see no difference`
`21:35.19`	`kneeki`	`Well`
`21:35.26`	`keiss`	`thats exactly what i do , i switch it on the start of the spellcast`
`21:35.33`	`Killmore`	`or maybe .0001sec`
`21:36.00`	`kneeki`	`See, the issue is when you start casting one of the spells w/ a cooldown on one of my buttons, it will start the cooldown timer, as it should`
`21:36.13`	`kneeki`	`however, its not clearing the timer if the channel is interrupted`
`21:38.52`	`Grum`	`Anyone got a lunar-coin guide?`
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`21:39.59`	`Miyari`	`Grum: www.wowwiki.com/Elders`
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`21:41.08`	`Grum`	`thanks Miyari`
`21:45.27`	`Ozguli`	`rewards?`
`21:46.44`	`Grum`	`nice dresses afaik`
`21:46.56`	`CIA-10`	`03keiss * r60619 10Manasurge/libs/: Manasurge: Set externals.`
`21:47.20`	`Miyari`	`Ozguli: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=21100#objective-of`
`21:48.26`	`Ozguli`	`bleh`
`21:48.28`	`Ozguli`	`won't bother`
`21:51.49`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Arrowmasteryou only get a GCD for swaping weapons while in combat right? <--- nah, I'm pretty sure the GCD is triggered out of combat as well`
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`21:52.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`perty sure it isnt`
`21:52.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`that or its different for different classes`
`21:52.28`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I'll log on and check asap`
`21:53.55`	`keiss`	`Pkekyo\|: doesn't here`
`21:54.19`	`NivFreak`	`it's not a GCD afaik`
`21:54.40`	`NivFreak`	`since I can swap to a shield and spell reflect in one GCD`
`21:54.43`	`Pkekyo\|`	`nah, you're right Arrowmaster...guess I spend more time in combat than out :p`
`21:55.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`my friend made a big macro for swaping to different offhands on his rogue and shiving and said he wasnt seeing a gcd`
`21:55.45`	`kneeki`	`Rogue GCD is less than other classes`
`21:56.05`	`NivFreak`	`hrmm, is spell reflect off the GCD then?`
`21:56.11`	`NivFreak`	`I guess that could be right`
`21:56.18`	`kneeki`	`It didn't use to be`
`21:56.27`	`kneeki`	`I know that's a change warriors wanted for quite some time`
`21:57.18`	`NivFreak`	`well, all I know is I can swap weapons and spell reflect in one macro`
`21:57.29`	`NivFreak`	`but I recall weapon swaps triggering GCDs`
`21:57.35`	`NivFreak`	`so I assume spell reflect isn't :)`
`21:57.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`bliz has done some weird stuff with weapon swaping GCDs, only reason it was added in the first place was to fix a bug with ambushing with something other than a dagger, but then people started abusing it to use the triggered gcd to prevent autoattacking to do cheapshot or exposearmor macros without breaking sap`
`21:58.50`	`Pkekyo\|`	`sodding hell, every time I log on, there's a fucking new warrior in my guild`
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`22:02.15`	`CIA-10`	`03julith 07Julith * r60620 10Grid/ (6 files in 2 dirs):`
`22:02.15`	`CIA-10`	`Grid:`
`22:02.15`	`CIA-10`	`- merged changes from revision 59724 to 60382 of trunk to the branch to keep differences small`
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`22:03.15`	`Fisker-`	`PTR soon btw >o`
`22:03.18`	`Fisker-`	`:o`
`22:03.53`	`NivFreak`	`maybe :)`
`22:03.56`	`keiss`	`soon is a bit vague :D`
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`22:04.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`why do you say soon?`
`22:04.12`	`Fisker-`	`no NivFreak`
`22:04.12`	`Fisker-`	`:o`
`22:04.12`	`Fisker-`	`just confirmed`
`22:04.13`	`Fisker-`	`by tigole`
`22:04.17`	`Fisker-`	`http://www.wowblues.com/us/wsg-flag-buff-should-judgment-of-justice-4463908133.html`
`22:04.20`	`NivFreak`	`soon == any time`
`22:04.25`	`Fisker-`	`VERY soon`
`22:04.25`	`Fisker-`	`:o`
`22:04.43`	`Fisker-`	`so it's not 15 minutes past the end of time`
`22:04.47`	`Fisker-`	`only 10 minutes`
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`22:11.22`	`kneeki`	`Hurray!`
`22:11.27`	`kneeki`	`PTR = good times`
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`22:13.33`	`Firelemming`	`realy!?`
`22:13.41`	`Firelemming`	`gief ptr`
`22:14.23`	`Elsia`	`ptr is up?`
`22:14.45`	`Firelemming`	`There are some changes coming to WSG in patch 2.4. The patch will be on the PTR very soon. Please be sure to check out Warsong once the PTR is up.`
`22:14.53`	`Firelemming`	`blue quote`
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`22:16.42`	`Elsia`	`bah character generation is already full`
`22:17.26`	`Firelemming`	`so PTR is availible in the US?`
`22:17.55`	`Firelemming`	`because its not in the EU`
`22:18.20`	`Firelemming`	`but that is ofc logical. its 11:20 here :P`
`22:18.22`	`Elsia`	`hmm I think they have half-opened EU setup without actually putting the right patches up. it's still 2.3.3`
`22:18.24`	`Firelemming`	`pm`
`22:18.33`	`Elsia`	`I'm EU`
`22:18.47`	`Elsia`	`but that used to be not accessible yesterday`
`22:19.14`	`Elsia`	`so definitely looks like they are working to prep 2.4, but not quite yet`
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`22:19.49`	`Elsia`	`the standard who-to PTR posts are back too`
`22:20.29`	`Firelemming`	`well, looking good then`
`22:22.22`	`Elsia`	`well I think it's definitelly within very few days now, which is nice.`
`22:22.28`	`Elsia`	`I wanna hack combat log junk :D`
`22:24.15`	`Firelemming`	`yeah, alot of addons need updating only for that. but it will be much beter im sure of that. but lots of addons will die also that day.`
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`22:27.09`	`rubik`	`i want WWS replaced already`
`22:27.30`	`rubik`	`gonna write something better/free/etc if no one else does`
`22:27.34`	`sb_`	`with 2.4?`
`22:27.37`	`rubik`	`yes`
`22:27.43`	`sb_`	`wtb! :)`
`22:27.46`	`kneeki`	`WWS?`
`22:27.50`	`sb_`	`wowwebstats`
`22:27.52`	`rubik`	`wowwebstats.com`
`22:27.55`	`kneeki`	`oh`
`22:27.57`	`sb_`	`<3 tool`
`22:29.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`good luck keeping it free if you want to achieve what they have ;)`
`22:29.56`	`Lukian`	`hey did they say unitrange was being added to raid frames in 2.4?`
`22:30.00`	`rubik`	`i'm not going to host it`
`22:30.03`	`Ellipsis`	`yes Lukian`
`22:30.05`	`Thorgard`	`Just make something that'll spit out a report that doesn't need hosting on their server for cool stuff. ;P`
`22:30.05`	`rubik`	`that's the idiocy behind it`
`22:30.05`	`keiss`	`how hard is it to release the server part as OS if u want ? :D`
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`22:30.15`	`rubik`	`i want the reports generated.. FOR ME to host myself`
`22:30.19`	`Thorgard`	`Aye.`
`22:30.19`	`rubik`	`for free`
`22:30.22`	`Lukian`	`wtb addon the rearranges/groups the AV raid into players who are "closest" to each other :D`
`22:30.24`	`keiss`	`rubik: ./nod`
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`22:30.28`	`Thorgard`	`That would be win.`
`22:30.34`	`rubik`	`i'm not paying money for his hosting.. it's bullshit in principle`
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`22:30.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`WWS uses JSP(?) anyway, it not like many people could host it themselves`
`22:30.56`	`rubik`	`nod`
`22:31.02`	`rubik`	`that's why it sucks`
`22:31.08`	`rubik`	`i mean.. that's the biggest sucky part`
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`22:31.27`	`rubik`	`"new thing" that replaces it has to build reports using regular/php/perl/whatever stuff`
`22:31.31`	`rubik`	`that anyone can host`
`22:31.34`	`keiss`	`Arrowmaster: thats hardly the point, they decided not to make it OS for those that could host it for themselve and thats what i , and prolly other ppl dont like`
`22:31.48`	`rubik`	`yes, exactly`
`22:31.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`that too`
`22:32.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`went from the OSS standalone version to the CS server based version`
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`22:34.06`	`rubik`	`so if we can get a few of us working on a replacement it'd be cool`
`22:34.41`	`rubik`	`like.. someone work on parser (in perl or something).. someone else work on generating all the web pages, etc.`
`22:34.47`	`maia`	`Lukian: Grid + GridDynamicLayout`
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`22:35.17`	`maia`	`Lukian: oh, you were referring to actually regroup units`
`22:35.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`hardest part imho of building a 2.4 WSS clone is going to be parsing`
`22:36.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`since you wont be able to merge logs and submit a single one`
`22:36.19`	`EvilJohn-`	`"<Arrowmaster> WWS uses JSP(?) anyway, it not like many people could host it themselves"`
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`22:36.25`	`Grum`	`maia: does 'dynamiclayout' also handle pets?`
`22:36.38`	`EvilJohn-`	`most hosting companies give you tomcat access, so it's certainly doable`
`22:37.04`	`maia`	`Grum: yeah, it should`
`22:37.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`do many people even know jsp?`
`22:37.20`	`Grum`	`maia: so what does it do? scale the frame to encompass all the groups?`
`22:37.20`	`EvilJohn-`	`everyone I work with`
`22:37.24`	`Grum`	`without moving people from groups?`
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`22:37.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont think i know anybody thats used jsp`
`22:38.07`	`maia`	`Grum: it just reorders units, moves units out of your range to the 'latter' groups`
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`22:38.15`	`EvilJohn-`	`I know ltos of people who have, I just dont' know anyone who liked it`
`22:38.17`	`Grum`	`IIIEEEEWWW`
`22:38.26`	`Grum`	`ok that is horrible :P`
`22:38.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`argh, why is .net ClickOnce crashing on me? or WAU itself?`
`22:39.14`	`Lukian`	`maia, yeah :D`
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`22:57.55`	`CIA-10`	`03keiss * r60621 10Manasurge/embeds.xml: Manasurge: Fixed typo in embeds.xml.`
`22:59.39`	`sb_`	`keiss: whats manasurge? screenshot plz! ;p`
`22:59.53`	`keiss`	`sb_: nothing to screenshot ;)`
`23:00.04`	`sb_`	`hmpf :) what is it?`
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`23:00.34`	`keiss`	`sb_: weapon set switching on spellsurge procs (README for details)`
`23:01.18`	`sb_`	`ah`
`23:04.14`	`Grum`	`keiss: nice :)`
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`23:04.54`	`dodga`	`I wonder, is there a cooldown in the Spellsurge proc? And if there is, is it tied to the character or the weapon? :D`
`23:05.10`	`keiss`	`there is a hidden 50sec CD`
`23:05.18`	`dodga`	`hm yeah thought so`
`23:05.25`	`keiss`	`and it has a high proc rate so its very good for the switching`
`23:05.31`	`Firelemming`	`when you use the LibFubarPlugin-3.0 dont you get the standard options like "no text", "no icon". Or do i have to make those options manualy with the options table?`
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`23:06.12`	`dodga`	`keiss: So when you have two weapons with spellsurge on both, and it procs from weapon 1, you switch to weapon 2 and it can proc again before the 50s cooldown of weapon 1's proc is gone?`
`23:07.36`	`keiss`	`dodga: tbh i dont know that :) ... never tested that , but thats not the point of the addon , the point is to get the spellsurge proc and continue using a +healing/+dmg/... weapon until the cooldown is ready again`
`23:07.36`	`Killmore`	`keiss: I dont see manasurge on WAU since you did the first commit :(`
`23:08.41`	`keiss`	`dodga: but i doubt the CD is per-weapon ...`
`23:09.29`	`dodga`	`Would be funny :D`
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`23:09.37`	`keiss`	`Killmore: its not on files.wowace.com, dont ask me why iam new here ;) (maybe it has to be explicitly set ?)`
`23:09.56`	`Killmore`	`where I can download it ?`
`23:10.11`	`keiss`	`u can get it on the svn`
`23:10.17`	`Killmore`	`k`
`23:10.27`	`Firelemming`	`WAU takes about 20min or so`
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`23:10.56`	`Killmore`	`he did the first commit like 2hours ago`
`23:11.09`	`Firelemming`	`hmm ok`
`23:11.41`	`Firelemming`	`will took some time with my addon also, but it will be :) just make sure your clear the cache on the index :)`
`23:11.50`	`Killmore`	`keiss: I talked about your addon to a feral druid of my guild and he say "could be a good idea to have an addon who can switch idol to"`
`23:12.08`	`keiss`	`Killmore: idols can be switched in combat ?`
`23:12.10`	`dodga`	`Killmore: ItemRack :D`
`23:12.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Keias: any thing that goes in a mh/oh/range slot can`
`23:12.59`	`Nargiddley`	`directory is Manasurge, toc is manasurge.toc its case sensitive for the files script`
`23:13.03`	`keiss`	`NightHawkTheSane: right ... nvm me , i was thinking about 'trinket'`
`23:13.29`	`Keias`	`damn your similar name`
`23:13.35`	`keiss`	`Nargiddley: ah ... (i renamed it before importing and forgot to change it)`
`23:13.36`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i would sacrifice like ten virgin geeks to be able to swap trinkets in combat >.>`
`23:13.49`	`Killmore`	`dodga: you can do this kind of auto-switch on proc with itemrack ?`
`23:13.59`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Keias: wow, i didn't even notice. hah, sucks to be you :P`
`23:15.10`	`CIA-10`	`03keiss * r60622 10Manasurge/ (Manasurge.toc manasurge.toc): Manasurge: Fixed bad name of .toc file.`
`23:15.30`	`dodga`	`Killmore: Oh, on proc.. hm actually ItemRack has events`
`23:15.44`	`dodga`	`But I never bothered with them, I got my keys bound to different weapon sets`
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`23:26.21`	`Elsia`	`don't need addons to switch idols, just macro them to shape shifts`
`23:26.47`	`Elsia`	`or abilities, if you want a maul idol, say`
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`23:27.20`	`keiss`	`Killmore: its on WAU now`
`23:27.20`	`Elsia`	`can properly hot-swap idols for instant abilities though :P`
`23:27.32`	`Elsia`	`can't*`
`23:28.34`	`nevcairiel`	`they fixed idols to cause gcd too`
`23:29.07`	`vithos`	`could switch to a faster bow until haste procs, lulz`
`23:29.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`Kivin: ping`
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`23:29.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`Xinhuan: ping`
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`23:33.26`	`Killmore`	`keiss: its not working :(`
`23:33.54`	`Killmore`	`spellsurge proc and he doesnt change to the "normal" weapon`
`23:34.52`	`keiss`	`Killmore: will only work in combat`
`23:35.00`	`keiss`	`Killmore: also check the 'instance' flag`
`23:35.22`	`Killmore`	`ah k`
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`23:35.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`hmm i think my commit is stuck`
`23:36.10`	`Elsia`	`how you mean mid-commit?`
`23:36.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah`
`23:36.34`	`Elsia`	`I think if it doesn't completely succeed it fails it all at the end right?`
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`23:37.17`	`Elsia`	`if that's true, you can just kill the task, wait a little and commit again :P`
`23:37.51`	`Diao`	`hey Shadowed do you think you could modify the raidwarning part of afflicted to automatically do /rw if you're leader or assist, /ra if in raid but not leader or assist, /p if party and just chatframe otherwise? :o`
`23:43.22`	`Elsia`	`nite`
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`23:44.11`	`Silowyi`	`sigh`
`23:44.28`	`Silowyi`	`I'm really tempted to dump my hunter and look for a warlock or spriest for 2v2`
`23:44.55`	`Silowyi`	`it's really frustrating since he seems to be completely unable to cc anything or do any respectabl amount of damage and at the same time can't talk on ventrilo`
`23:45.58`	`Thrae\|Work`	`Dump that zero and get yourself a hero!`
`23:47.15`	`Silowyi`	`its funny how things work out though`
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`23:47.21`	`Silowyi`	`I was in a guld`
`23:47.24`	`Silowyi`	`guild*`
`23:47.33`	`Diao`	`what do you play`
`23:47.33`	`Silowyi`	`and left because I thought the guild was about to break up`
`23:47.53`	`Diao`	`rogue?`
`23:48.02`	`Silowyi`	`now the guild did break up, but everyone joined another guild that is ahead of mine`
`23:48.34`	`Silowyi`	`and the person who has the spot I would have filled now has better 2v2, 5v5 and raid oportunities`
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`23:52.53`	`Silowyi`	`resto druid for arena`
`23:53.49`	`Diao`	`o_O`
`23:53.51`	`Diao`	`resto + spri?`
`23:54.12`	ag`	`I've tried resto and spriest, I am the spriest`
`23:54.22`	`Silowyi`	`resto spriest can work pretty well`
`23:54.41`	ag`	`you'll get fucked by warrior+paladin, because they will outlast you, and the paladin will LoS your manaburns`
`23:54.47`	`Silowyi`	`its esentially resto + lock trading a bit of dot, pet, and unstable affliction for better mana drain`
`23:54.54`	ag`	`MS will make your druid run out of mana healing`
`23:55.00`	`Silowyi`	`there is that`
`23:55.08`	`Silowyi`	`why i'd rather have a warlock`
`23:55.09`	ag`	`the warlock manadrain is better because it got no LoS problems`
`23:55.14`	`Silowyi`	`but a MM hunter just lacks the ability to dps`
`23:55.23`	`Silowyi`	`err brust dps`
`23:55.32`	`Silowyi`	`the problem we're having primarily is with rogues`
`23:55.42`	`Silowyi`	`I can tank a rogue a fairly long time`
`23:55.47`	`Diao`	`mm hunter/resto druid is probably the best 2v2 combo`
`23:55.47`	`Silowyi`	`but if the rogue stays on the hunter`
`23:55.50`	`Diao`	`if your hunter is good`
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`23:55.55`	`Silowyi`	`we have problems`
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`23:56.33`	`Diao`	`ss rogue + druid is pretty good too`
`23:56.41`	`Silowyi`	`yup`
`23:56.55`	`Silowyi`	`ss rogue plus disc priest`
`23:57.10`	`Silowyi`	`horrid to come up against`
`23:57.30`	`Diao`	`ss is so stupidly op right now`
`23:57.46`	`Silowyi`	`I feel for rogues though`
`23:57.55`	`Silowyi`	`they are so useless in 5v5`
`23:58.12`	`Diao`	`lol`
`23:58.17`	`Silowyi`	`like a feral druid with less survivability`
`23:58.22`	`Diao`	`o_O`
`23:58.22`	`Diao`	`less?`
`23:58.26`	`Diao`	`rogues have way more`
`23:58.32`	`Diao`	`especially with cheat death bullshit`
`23:58.39`	`Silowyi`	`bugs notwithstanding`
`23:58.49`	`Silowyi`	`bear form druid is much easier to keep up.`
`23:58.57`	`Diao`	`lol`
`23:59.06`	`Diao`	`rogues are a pain to kill in any bracket`
`23:59.20`	`Diao`	`between their snare breaks, evasion/clos/prep/vanish`

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