IRC log for #wowace on 20080125

`00:00.10`	`Diao`	`hmm`
`00:00.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`1024/2`
`00:01.00`	`*** join/#wowace Killmore (n=task@modemcable031.191-201-24.mc.videotron.ca)`
`00:01.17`	`Diao`	`purchasing a lenovo tablet: multiview/touch with xga(1024x768) resolution, or superview with sxga+(1400x1050) res?`
`00:01.20`	`Gnarfoz`	`assuming that wow uses its insane scaling stuff to stretch that to my actual res`
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`00:03.11`	`Diao`	`this is quite a dilemma :(`
`00:03.15`	`thul`	`QUITE`
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`00:05.45`	`Estil`	`man I need to find the will to get last 8 levels on my druid`
`00:06.00`	`dre^`	`so let's say I wanted to write a mod that drew a small world map frame. On that frame would appear blips, triggerd by somebody herbing something (even if user has to press a key).`
`00:06.15`	`dre^`	`the idea being to set up the blips with a gradient / alpha animation over say 10 - 15 minutes`
`00:06.24`	`dre^`	`so you could see at a glance what you've herbed recently and what you haven't`
`00:06.43`	`dre^`	`would there be any graphics libraries to help me with such an animated gradient?`
`00:07.08`	`chiper`	`Gnarfoz: that's why all element positioning is done using relative values`
`00:07.25`	`Gnarfoz`	`great`
`00:07.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`that doesn't help a bit :<`
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`00:08.27`	`Pkekyo\|`	`bah, I'm on Class Leader duty, even though I'm not a class master :/ :p`
`00:08.31`	`CIA-48`	`03pettigrow * r59350 10/branches/GatherMate_CartImport/ (GatherMate_CartImport.lua GatherMate_CartImport.toc): GatherMate_CartImport: frFR Update`
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`00:08.46`	`Diao`	`Estil`
`00:08.51`	`Diao`	`here's the incentive: easy 1850+ :D`
`00:09.24`	`Estil`	`lol.`
`00:09.50`	`Estil`	`I will try to get like 64 or 65 tomorrow`
`00:09.55`	`Estil`	`then 67 ~ 69 saturday`
`00:09.59`	`Estil`	`then 70 sometime next week`
`00:11.21`	`Estil`	`but seeing how slow ass bg queues are`
`00:11.29`	`Estil`	`how will I get the 123890423904 honor points I need to gear my druid out`
`00:12.49`	`Zypher	`anyone here a master of wuu?`
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`00:14.11`	`Primer`	`Estil: if you're horde, AV`
`00:14.24`	`kebinusan`	`heh http://gizmodo.com/348628/marijuana-vending-machines-opening-for-business-in-la`
`00:14.26`	`*** part/#wowace mitchnull (n=mitchnul@dsl195-38-110-178.pool.tvnet.hu)`
`00:14.59`	`Estil`	`primer`
`00:15.05`	`Estil`	`bg9 horde av queue: once per hour`
`00:15.18`	`Primer`	`your server sucks`
`00:15.27`	`Primer`	`AV queue on mine pops every minute or so`
`00:15.42`	`SunTsu`	`screen`
`00:15.43`	`Estil`	`:(`
`00:15.43`	`Primer`	`but, alas, I'm alliance`
`00:15.47`	`Primer`	`and we always lose now`
`00:15.50`	`SunTsu`	`oh, fw`
`00:15.58`	`Primer`	`screen -dr`
`00:16.13`	`Estil`	`:)`
`00:16.19`	`Estil`	`well I guess I can ask vince`
`00:16.20`	`SunTsu`	`Primer: I was just about to start one ;)`
`00:16.23`	`Estil`	`to play my druid for me!`
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`00:17.12`	`Primer`	`I wish I could get someone to play my lock to get the bg pvp gear`
`00:17.22`	`SunTsu`	`#I wish I could play...`
`00:17.30`	`Primer`	`my wife told me I can't use my kid for that...`
`00:17.34`	`Primer`	`even though he'd LOVE to do it`
`00:17.39`	`Estil`	`LOL`
`00:17.43`	`Primer`	`he has shit like HOMEWORK`
`00:17.44`	`Estil`	`the kid method failed eh :(`
`00:17.48`	`Primer`	`sigh...`
`00:18.06`	`Primer`	`heh, I used to make him farm motes for me`
`00:18.36`	`Primer`	`except he'd get ganked every so often because he really didn't know how to play at higher levels`
`00:18.46`	`Primer`	`his lock is only 33 (and he's 9 years old)`
`00:19.09`	`Primer`	`s/make him/ask him to/`
`00:19.24`	`thul`	`my brother plays that free, 2d rpg online thing`
`00:19.26`	`thul`	`runescape?`
`00:19.27`	`thul`	`or something`
`00:20.09`	`Primer`	`that's one of them`
`00:20.15`	`Primer`	`maplestory is another`
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`00:29.49`	`RaydenUni`	`"While the humans may not know who exactly it is that leads them they realize something is wrong, every human quest dealing at all with their military situation, from Duskwood to Redridge to Westfall, has their company level commanders in a state of near rebellion at the treatment they are recieving." <-- is there unrest in the human command hierarchy?`
`00:29.49`	`RaydenUni`	`i've only played horde so i don't know`
`00:30.19`	`Kivin`	`RaydenUni: From the NPCs, yes`
`00:30.48`	`RaydenUni`	`yeah i'm talking about game lore`
`00:30.52`	`Kivin`	`Goldshire is stretched thin dealing with gnolls and murlocs. Westfall has been completely abandoned by Stormwind.`
`00:30.52`	`RaydenUni`	`http://endie.net/cs/blogs/endie/archive/2006/01/06/defending_the_horde.aspx`
`00:30.59`	`RaydenUni`	`i'm talking about within`
`00:31.13`	`RaydenUni`	`"The humans of Stormwind are lead by a puppet king controlled by the one of the most virulently evil and maniplative beings in the history of Azeroth (besides Sargerath and his minions of course)...Onyxia of the Black Dragonflight. At best you could ascribe the ever popular excuse "I was only following orders" to the human leadership (an excuse popular with the leadership of Nazi Germany as well)."`
`00:31.14`	`Kivin`	`So has Darkshire, and a militant organisation has cropped up in the duskwood to protect the city from undead`
`00:31.36`	`Kivin`	`s/Sargerath/Sargeras`
`00:31.43`	`buu`	`The horde storyline isn't nearly that entertaining.`
`00:31.52`	`RaydenUni`	`yeah`
`00:31.53`	`Kivin`	`The orcs just want to be left alone :P`
`00:32.06`	`RaydenUni`	`all this time people tell me that alliance are good and horde are evil`
`00:32.06`	`Kivin`	`The chop down Ashenvale and feed their giant bonfires`
`00:32.06`	`RaydenUni`	`wtf`
`00:32.16`	`Kivin`	`good and evil are very subjective`
`00:32.21`	`RaydenUni`	`very true`
`00:32.27`	`Kivin`	`Extremely sensitive to perspectivew`
`00:32.36`	`buu`	`Pssh, no they aren't.`
`00:32.40`	`RaydenUni`	`but at a first glance people often say they choose alliance because they want to play the good guys`
`00:33.01`	`Kivin`	`Because historically orcs have been portrayed as being evil.`
`00:33.07`	`Kivin`	`Even in warcraft`
`00:33.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`thats entirely do to pre-concieved notions about good and evil based entirely on visual appearence and historical data about the names of races uses`
`00:33.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`used*`
`00:33.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`remember kids, pretty = good, ugly = evil.`
`00:33.44`	`RaydenUni`	`which is fine`
`00:33.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`unless it's really p retty, which is always evil.`
`00:33.53`	`RaydenUni`	`you can't exterminate stereotypes`
`00:34.02`	`potemkin`	`whats the difference between this and self in xml`
`00:34.10`	`RaydenUni`	`it's the stark contrast to that that often makes interesting characters`
`00:34.10`	`Kivin`	`The storyline blizz crafted around Thrall gave the orcs some depth. But there was a time in the warcraft world where orcs were pretty much unequivically evil`
`00:34.15`	`thul`	`pfft`
`00:34.18`	`RaydenUni`	`true`
`00:34.18`	`thul`	`good and evil is not relative`
`00:34.26`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`stereotypes are great, because it's a great way of picking out the idiots who refuse to think for themselves`
`00:34.27`	`thul`	`cultural and moral relativity is pure cowardness :-)`
`00:34.27`	`RaydenUni`	`thul what is it based off of then?`
`00:34.34`	`thul`	`rationality`
`00:34.35`	`Kivin`	`potemkin: self is a hidden argument in any function which is called with ':'`
`00:34.38`	`RaydenUni`	`rationality?`
`00:34.40`	`thul`	`let us pick an example.`
`00:34.42`	`Kivin`	`this is (usually) a global pointer`
`00:34.42`	`RaydenUni`	`how is that at all absolute?`
`00:34.59`	`thul`	`according to christianity.. or islam for that matter, gay sex is a "sin"`
`00:35.13`	`Kivin`	`potemkin: function Object:Func(x) <- this translates out to: function Object.Func(self, x)`
`00:35.30`	`potemkin`	`yeah`
`00:35.34`	`thul`	`now, let us look closer at this.. is anyone getting hurt if two consenting adults have sex?`
`00:35.37`	`potemkin`	`im looking at the playerframe.xml`
`00:35.37`	`thul`	`no..`
`00:35.37`	`thul`	`no victim?`
`00:35.43`	`thul`	`no.. hence: no crime and no "sin"`
`00:35.45`	`thul`	`see? simple.`
`00:35.48`	`RaydenUni`	`...`
`00:36.02`	`thul`	`ofcourse there are debatable grey areas, but a total relative moral is irrational and stupid.`
`00:36.04`	`potemkin`	`dunno why it does unitframe_onenter(self) instead of unitframe_onenter(this)`
`00:36.07`	`RaydenUni`	`i find that an unsatisfying answer`
`00:36.09`	`thul`	`stoning female rape victims? never right`
`00:36.13`	`NeoTron`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:36.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`thul: wow. i'm vastly impressed with your ability to blithly ignore entire eons of valid debate about ethics and morality.`
`00:36.20`	`Kivin`	`potemkin: self is the correct word to use in an argument list`
`00:36.26`	`Kivin`	`potemkin: this is Lua, not C`
`00:36.27`	`thul`	`NightHawkTheSane: good for you`
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`00:36.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`this isnt even real Lua, its created by wow`
`00:37.05`	`potemkin`	`i dont even know C`
`00:37.20`	`Kivin`	`'this' is a keyword in C that points to the object your function resides in`
`00:38.11`	`Kivin`	`'this's implementation in WoW Lua is a bit bizarre, though. In all <On_> XML handlers, WoW sets global 'this' to the frame that recieves the On_ Event`
`00:38.15`	`thul`	`I see no contradiction between Sam Harris' anti-moral/cultural relativity arguments and for instance Nietzsche's beyond good and evil`
`00:38.26`	`thul`	`so it is not that I ignore it NightHawkTheSane, it is just that i _think_`
`00:38.35`	`thul`	`you swallow stuff whole and go on living an ignorant life`
`00:38.39`	`thul`	`I think and explore:)`
`00:39.28`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i am also vastly impressed by your ability to stereotype and make sweeping generalizations based on a dozen lines.`
`00:39.36`	`thul`	`like...?`
`00:39.39`	`thul`	`elaborate please.`
`00:39.39`	`Kivin`	`Oh brother`
`00:40.00`	`thul`	`your futile attempts on correcting me has so far been nothing but kindergarden idiocies:)`
`00:40.03`	`thul`	`so try harder`
`00:40.08`	`Kivin`	`Don't start bickering. Please.`
`00:40.11`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i'm not trying to correct you :P`
`00:40.14`	`Kivin`	`Or take it to private chat.`
`00:40.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i'm trying to insult you :D`
`00:40.23`	`thul`	`I could outrun you both rethorically AND when it comes to knowledge with my eyes shut:)`
`00:40.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`not trying very hard, though, to be honesty`
`00:40.27`	`thul`	`so try harder`
`00:40.34`	`thul`	`well, I'll hope so.`
`00:40.50`	`thul`	`the thing is, on the political left, total relativity in morals and cultures has been the norm the last 70 years`
`00:40.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I'm procrastinating from work, so really I'm just being a rhetorical ass, because you're overgeneralizing :)`
`00:41.00`	`thul`	`the flaws in thinking like this is ofcourse obvious`
`00:41.04`	`thul`	`neh, I'm not`
`00:41.10`	`thul`	`either you are misunderstanding or you're misunderstanding`
`00:41.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yes, clever.`
`00:41.29`	`thul`	`I am.`
`00:42.00`	`thul`	`point is, stating that "who are you to say that stoning of rape victims is wrong? YOU WESTERN CULTURAL IMPERIALIST!!" (and yes, that IS an actual argument from a professor, not a strawman)`
`00:42.07`	`thul`	`is ignorant and useless`
`00:42.08`	`thul`	`end of story.`
`00:42.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`But I never said that`
`00:42.24`	`thul`	`did i say that YOU said so? :-)`
`00:42.24`	`thul`	`no`
`00:42.32`	`thul`	`strawmannery from your side?`
`00:42.33`	`thul`	`ofcourse`
`00:42.37`	`thul`	`try harder.`
`00:43.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`You seemed to imply that I would, when you indicated that I "swallow stuff whole and go on leading an ignorant life"`
`00:43.16`	`thul`	`you should not assume`
`00:43.24`	`thul`	`that makes [...] etc.`
`00:43.40`	`Tuller`	`so heads up to anyone who it matters for: I've reorganized my svn :P`
`00:43.42`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`That's not an assumption, that's a direct interpretation of your phrasing. "you [...]"`
`00:43.49`	`thul`	`your interpretation`
`00:43.50`	`thul`	`mind you`
`00:44.01`	`thul`	`which ofcourse, is an assumption :-)`
`00:44.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Since you pinged me directly in the privious comment, the only logical conclusion is that that comment was also directed at me specifically`
`00:44.14`	`thul`	`"direct interpretation" is a very... creative term.`
`00:44.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`Tuller: ive already realized this after trying to update`
`00:44.32`	`thul`	`and, yet you assume a lot about that statement in your interpretation.`
`00:44.33`	`Tuller`	`yay`
`00:44.52`	`thul`	`which may or may not be right, you don't seem to think about that, assume what you assume and charge on.. :-)`
`00:44.56`	`Tuller`	`its basically bongos/trunk/bongos folders`
`00:44.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`It's also creative the way you're twisting words and meanings to avoid the realization that you made an unfounded assumption, and don't want to admi tit`
`00:44.59`	`thul`	`not the rational stand is it? ;-)`
`00:45.03`	`thul`	`haha`
`00:45.11`	`thul`	`yeah.. I'm the one making unfounded assumptions..`
`00:45.16`	`thul`	`and yes, I'm the one twisting words :-)`
`00:45.22`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Yes, you are`
`00:45.24`	`thul`	`I'll give you a mirror for free, you seem to be in dire need.`
`00:45.35`	`Kivin`	`Seriously. SHut up.`
`00:45.36`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Nah, I've got a few, I enjoy looking in them. :)`
`00:45.59`	`thul`	`mhm, we can start with this:01:37:00] <>>>NightHawk <<<> thul: wow. i'm vastly impressed with your ability to blithly ignore entire eons of valid debate about ethics and morality.`
`00:46.06`	`thul`	`care to elaborate on how you came to this conclusion? :-)`
`00:46.18`	`thul`	`first of all, it is kind of scary that you know everything about me`
`00:47.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Honestly? Your comment that "a total relative moral is irrational and stupid" inspired that. I will, however, admit that it was a pretty generalizing comment, mostly designed to be a smartass retort. :D`
`00:48.01`	`thul`	`a total relative moral IS irrational and stupid :-)`
`00:48.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I kind of disagree with that, thoough.`
`00:49.42`	`Civrock`	`There has got to be an addon that allows me to make chat/combatlog text translucent, hrmm.`
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`00:49.51`	`CIA-48`	`03pettigrow 07Locales * r59351 10GatherMate/GatherMate-frFR.lua: GatherMate: frFR Update`
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`00:50.43`	`thul`	`I can quote Harris: "[...] for our beliefs to function logically - indeed, for them to be beliefs at all - we must also believe that they faithfully represent states of the world. This suggests that some system of belief will appear more faithful than others, in that they will account for more of the data of experience and make better predictions about future events. And yet, many intellectuals tend to speak as though something in the last century of ratiocin`
`00:50.53`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Civrock: if it's at all possible, it sounds like it'd be something fairly easy to write. Looking into the widget api would probably reveal that. But, given the way the chat frame is implemented, I'm not certain it's possible.`
`00:50.54`	`Kivin`	`How the hell do I register an event in AceEvent-3.0`
`00:51.05`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Kivin: voodoo.`
`00:51.24`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`also, sacrificing π live virgins.`
`00:51.55`	`Tuller`	`self:RegisterEvent('AUCTION_HOUSE_CLOSED', AutoHideInventory)`
`00:52.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`thul: that was cut off after "last century of ratioci"`
`00:53.01`	`thul`	`"...moral relativists generally believ that all cultural practices should be respected on their own terms, that the practitioners of the various barbarisms that persist around the globe cannot be judged by the standards of the West, nor can the people of the past be judged by the standards of the present. And yet, implicit in this approach to moralit lurks a claim that is not relative but absolute. Most moral relativists believe that tolerance of cultural div`
`00:53.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tuller: hmm. What's Pockets?`
`00:53.08`	`thul`	`bah`
`00:53.10`	`Tuller`	`nothing at the moment`
`00:53.11`	`thul`	`all that writing for naught.`
`00:53.34`	`Tuller`	`but the idea is sortof a dock for items`
`00:53.35`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`oh.. :( the brief toc description looked interesting`
`00:55.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`thul: see, the thing is, I'm not a moral relativist, but on some ultimate level, there is a very relativistic aspect to morality. I mean, while I think we can all agree on certain absolutes for what is "good" and "evil", one has to wonder where those come from, if not from some arbitrary decision.`
`00:56.08`	`thul`	`"given that there are likely to be truths to be known about how members of our species can be made as happy as possible, there are almost certainly truths to be known about ethics..."`
`00:56.26`	`thul`	`.."To say that we will never agree on every question of ethics is the same as saying that we will never agree on every question of physics.."`
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`00:57.09`	`thul`	`.."in neither case does the open-endedness of our inquiry suggest that there are no real facts to be known, or that some of the answers we have in hand are not really better than some others. Respect for diversity in our ethical views is, at best, an intellectual holding pattern until more of the facts are in"`
`00:57.31`	`Tuller`	`poop`
`00:57.47`	`thul`	`First of all, we can all (hopefully) agree that there ARE absolutes in moral. Banal examples can be found quite easily`
`00:57.53`	`thul`	`that alone debunks the myth of total relativism.`
`00:58.21`	`thul`	`when it comes to moral and science, one has to decide what the goal of a moral theory or paradigm is.`
`00:58.34`	`thul`	`in harris' case, it is making as many people as possible as happy as possible (simply put).`
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`00:59.04`	`thul`	`I can see no reason why this is in some sort of "magic" realm where science, rational thought and insight can't prevail :-)`
`01:04.19`	`RaydenUni`	`so in Warcraft 2 orcs were pretty evil and shallow`
`01:04.22`	`RaydenUni`	`kill stuff, make war`
`01:04.38`	`RaydenUni`	`in warcraft 3 you really learn about why they are that way and you watch them progress out of that`
`01:04.51`	`RaydenUni`	`WoW takes place after that and one could easily argue orcs are noble`
`01:05.08`	`thul`	`my tauren shaman is noble as hell`
`01:05.28`	`RaydenUni`	`you guys think anyone at blizzard thought about making an mmo and that for players to enjoy playing Orcs, they would have to be different than the orcs in War3 and that's partly why the story in war3 is the way it is?`
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`01:11.55`	`Paradox`	`nice theory`
`01:12.04`	`Paradox`	`it could be true, they might have planned it all from the start`
`01:12.18`	`RaydenUni`	`cause WoW set post war3 would have been pretty boring`
`01:12.25`	`RaydenUni`	`who would want to play a war2 orc?`
`01:12.37`	`thul`	`ghost wolf`
`01:12.40`	`thul`	`spirit wolf`
`01:12.41`	`thul`	`etc`
`01:12.41`	`thul`	`:-P`
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`01:13.12`	`thul`	`I wonder why people are so stupid`
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`01:13.54`	`Windcape`	`hey, is this a pure development channel, or general wowace addon talk?`
`01:14.07`	`thul`	`this is like everything`
`01:14.12`	`thul`	`if you want tips for your lovelife`
`01:14.14`	`thul`	`let us know`
`01:14.18`	`thul`	`cooking? ofcourse`
`01:14.23`	`Windcape`	`heh`
`01:14.43`	`Windcape`	`nah, hunting for some info about eenpanels :)`
`01:16.11`	`Windcape`	`mainly about it got the ability to create a common border around objects, to create a structure like this: http://web27190.web08.talkactive.net/media/somethinglikethis.jpg , or I need to use another addon for that.`
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`01:21.55`	`buu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:21.55`	`buu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:21.55`	`buu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:21.58`	`buu`	`IS THAT YOU?!`
`01:22.00`	`buu`	`ARE YOU EFAMOUS?!`
`01:22.19`	`thul`	`hmm`
`01:22.26`	`NeoTron`	`War3 was used to build the foundation of WoW most likely`
`01:22.43`	`NeoTron`	`just like StarCraft 2 will be used as the foundation to build SC Online ;-)`
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`01:28.12`	`Primer`	`it seems this latest patch did fix my wine issues`
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`01:28.38`	`Primer`	`those issues being that things were terribly slow to render`
`01:35.30`	`thul`	`hmm`
`01:35.35`	`thul`	`online streaming tv series sites?`
`01:37.26`	`Kivin`	`lua> t = { 'a','b','c' }; while table.remove(t) do end; print(#t);`
`01:37.26`	`lua_bot`	`Kivin: 0`
`01:41.08`	`kebinusan`	`hm, ent>ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED:AddOn 'Ace2' tried to call the protected function 'TargetUnit()'.`
`01:41.18`	`kebinusan`	`something I updated today`
`01:41.25`	`kebinusan`	`when I try to /target name`
`01:43.31`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> t = {10, nil, 30, nil, 50} print(t)`
`01:43.32`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: { 10, [3] = 30, [5] = 50 } (#1)`
`01:44.19`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> t = {10, nil, 30, nil, 50} for i = 5, 1, -1 do if t[i] == nil then tdelete(t, i) end end print(t)`
`01:44.19`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: [string "t = {10, nil, 30, nil, 50} for i = 5, 1, -1..."]:1: attempt to call global 'tdelete' (a nil value)`
`01:44.26`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> t = {10, nil, 30, nil, 50} for i = 5, 1, -1 do if t[i] == nil then tremove(t, i) end end print(t)`
`01:44.26`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: { [3] = 30, [4] = 50 } (#1)`
`01:44.30`	`Xinhuan`	`hmmmm`
`01:44.54`	`Kivin`	`O_o`
`01:45.05`	`Xinhuan`	`damn, i can't shift array indexes if there's nils in it`
`01:45.30`	`Xinhuan`	`nvm, i'll replace all those nils with 1/0`
`01:45.42`	`CIA-48`	`03grayhoof * r59352 10sct/sct.lua: sct: Remove execute self alerts as blizzard events are working for 60+ skills. Code cleanup. Waiting on 2.4...`
`01:45.42`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> t = {10, 1/0, 30, 1/0, 50} for i = 5, 1, -1 do if t[i] == 1/0 then tremove(t, i) end end print(t)`
`01:45.43`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: { 10, 30, 50 } (#1)`
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`01:59.13`	`Aheala`	`i need to read in data from another program, anyone have some info on how to do that?`
`02:00.06`	`Aheala`	`someone said memcpy( (char *)0xa000, data, 64000): would work`
`02:00.15`	`Kivin`	`o_O`
`02:00.49`	`Aheala`	`where, i guess, 0xa000 is the system refference to the mem block to read fro`
`02:00.51`	`Aheala`	`m`
`02:01.55`	`Aheala`	`i'm trying to get a string of text`
`02:03.08`	`Kivin`	`I think you joined the wrong channel`
`02:03.17`	`Gngsk`	`^`
`02:03.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`^_^`
`02:03.31`	`Gngsk`	`a/s/l?`
`02:03.39`	`KarlThePagan`	`14/f/cali`
`02:03.45`	`Megalon`	`FBI AGENT!`
`02:03.49`	`Mudkipz`	`HI IM CHRIS HANSEN`
`02:03.49`	`Gngsk`	`I want to wrestle you so freaking sweetly.`
`02:03.51`	`KarlThePagan`	`Hi, I'm Chris Hansen... have a seat over there.`
`02:04.01`	`Mudkipz`	`too slow`
`02:04.06`	`KarlThePagan`	`ur too fast`
`02:04.09`	`KarlThePagan`	`that's what she said`
`02:04.13`	`Mudkipz`	`o sh--`
`02:04.23`	`Mudkipz`	`he went there..`
`02:05.00`	`Mudkipz`	`anyone use docks for windows? what's the best one you wanna recommend`
`02:05.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`I heard they released KDE for windows`
`02:05.25`	`KarlThePagan`	`but I haven't tried it`
`02:06.27`	`Mudkipz`	`o this http://windows.kde.org/`
`02:06.35`	`Mudkipz`	`intewesting`
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`02:19.31`	`Aeyan`	`I use objectdock, but honestly it's nothing special`
`02:25.03`	`chiper`	`currently all my ace addons have xembeds in them, since I get everything off files.wowace. I'm wanting to try switching to having all those embeds be standalone. what's the best way to do this?`
`02:25.53`	`Stan_`	`chiper: http://wowace.com/wiki/WAU#WITH_Externals_vs._WITHOUT_Externals`
`02:26.05`	`chiper`	`ah, wiki, excellent`
`02:27.28`	`chiper`	`ok, so just select everything in WAU and selected Install Without Externals?`
`02:27.54`	`Stan_`	`yup`
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`02:34.41`	`chiper`	`hmm, yup, that seems to have worked neatly`
`02:36.46`	`CIA-48`	`03rabbit * r59353 10LifePercent/ (. LifePercent.lua LifePercent.toc): LifePercent: Tells you how many percent of your life you've in-game on login and as a reply to /played. To get the original /played output, do '/lifepercent played'.`
`02:40.51`	Funkeh`	`vhaarr, I'd be too scared to try that`
`02:42.02`	`Wobwork`	`won't it need to know your age?`
`02:42.23`	Funkeh`	`you type that in I guess`
`02:42.53`	`Wobwork`	`As an older player, it will have much less impact =)`
`02:43.15`	`Wobwork`	`for some of the others it'll be like "omg, I've spent 1/15 of my life on this game!"`
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`02:44.34`	`CIA-48`	`03rabbit * r59354 10LifePercent/LifePercent.lua: LifePercent: If you're too old to use this addon (born before 1971), give an error message instead of a lua error.`
`02:44.35`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: haha yeah, I think many will be
`02:45.28`	`vhaarr`	`you type in your birthday, yeah`
`02:47.04`	`Wobwork`	`... Too old? =P`
`02:47.11`	`vhaarr`	`hehe`
`02:47.26`	`vhaarr`	`time() doesn't support converting dates to UNIX epochs older than 1970`
`02:47.37`	`Wobwork`	`rofl`
`02:48.18`	`vhaarr`	`err, I mean`
`02:48.24`	`vhaarr`	`the unix epoch is 1970`
`02:48.41`	`vhaarr`	`so since time() converts to Unix time, it can't go further back`
`02:48.42`	`Wobwork`	`clearly nothing of importance happened before then`
`02:48.46`	`vhaarr`	`indeed`
`02:49.49`	`MentalPower`	`vhaarr: unix time is bi-directional tho`
`02:49.57`	`Wobwork`	`rawr`
`02:50.00`	`MentalPower`	`its a 32bit signed number`
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`02:50.25`	`vhaarr`	`lua doesn't care`
`02:50.35`	`vhaarr`	`it returns nil for anything below 1970`
`02:50.47`	`vhaarr`	`before*`
`02:50.52`	`MentalPower`	`just noticed that...`
`02:50.56`	`MentalPower`	`thats wierd`
`02:51.00`	`vhaarr`	`^^`
`02:51.42`	`MentalPower`	`lua>date("%c", 0)`
`02:51.42`	`lua_bot`	`MentalPower: Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969,`
`02:51.50`	`MentalPower`	`lua>date("%c", -234)`
`02:51.51`	`lua_bot`	`MentalPower: Wed Dec 31 18:56:06 1969,`
`02:52.05`	`MentalPower`	`vhaarr: have you tried on mac?`
`02:52.14`	`vhaarr`	`no`
`02:52.16`	`MentalPower`	`lua>date("%c", -2000000)`
`02:52.16`	`lua_bot`	`MentalPower: Mon Dec 8 15:26:40 1969,`
`02:52.23`	`vhaarr`	`:o`
`02:52.24`	`MentalPower`	`lua>date("%c", -2000000000)`
`02:52.24`	`lua_bot`	`MentalPower: Thu Aug 16 15:26:40 1906,`
`02:52.36`	`MentalPower`	`-->date("%c", -2000000000)`
`02:53.31`	`MentalPower`	`seems to only affect windows clients`
`02:54.03`	`MentalPower`	`vhaarr: you can check for IsMacClient() and still allow old birthdays if its true`
`02:54.15`	`MentalPower`	`basically if you're old, you need a mac :P`
`02:54.28`	Funkeh`	`Isn't hat how its always been?`
`02:54.28`	`vhaarr`	`hehe, I'll leave it be`
`02:54.32`	Funkeh`	`;p`
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`02:54.43`	`vhaarr`	`good point`
`02:57.26`	`Kivin`	`Any Ace3 devs around, particularly someone familiar with AceHook?`
`02:57.58`	`vhaarr`	`I can't imagine acehook is any different in 3 than 2`
`02:58.05`	`Kivin`	`I never wrote anything in ace2`
`02:58.09`	`vhaarr`	`I never asked`
`02:58.12`	`Kivin`	`And I can well imagine it's different`
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`03:02.03`	`CIA-48`	`03rabbit * r59355 10LifePercent/LifePercent.lua: LifePercent: Update the warning you get when you're too old to say that it should be possible to fix it but the author can't be arsed until someone bugs him thoroughly about it.`
`03:03.31`	`Civrock`	`WTB an addon that allows me to make my chat/combatlog text translucent.`
`03:03.44`	`Kivin`	`It's a rendering thing, not an addon limitation`
`03:03.49`	`Kivin`	`Complain to blizzard`
`03:09.32`	`Kivin`	`Anyone around that can help me troubleshoot AceHook3?`
`03:10.37`	`vhaarr`	`first of all, don't ask if you can ask a question`
`03:10.44`	`vhaarr`	`and second, http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html`
`03:12.12`	`Kivin`	`vhaarr: smart ass. Given the limited exposure this community has had to Ace3, I think my question is understandable and acceptable, thank you.`
`03:12.26`	`vhaarr`	`I disagree`
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`03:14.57`	`Aeyan`	`As far as I know, Kivin, Kaelten is the one that rewrote AceHook for Ace3`
`03:15.10`	`Kaelten`	`hrm?`
`03:15.17`	`Kivin`	`Hello Kaelten`
`03:15.24`	`Aeyan`	`(22:09:35) (Kivin) Anyone around that can help me troubleshoot AceHook3?`
`03:15.40`	`Kivin`	`I can't find any way to make AceHook-3.0 useful to my addon; hope you can help. Here's the issue:`
`03:16.11`	`Kivin`	`I'm trying to hook ChatFrame_OnEvent, but it mustn't be secure because it has to interrupt the hook sequence`
`03:16.34`	`Kivin`	`AceHook is yelling at me that I need to use a secure hook`
`03:17.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`have you tried doing the same thing you do with acehook2`
`03:17.43`	`Kivin`	`I've never used ace2`
`03:18.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`in acehook2 you add true to the args`
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`03:19.10`	`vhaarr`	`The syntax is, in fact, identical to ace2.`
`03:19.11`	`Kivin`	`function AceHook:Hook(object, method, handler, hookSecure) <- that's the prototype. Do I call Addon:hook("ChatFrame_OnEvent", nil, true)? and will hookSecure cause a hooksecurefunc?`
`03:19.51`	`Kivin`	`s/h/strupper(%1)`
`03:20.06`	`vhaarr`	`self:Hook("ChatFrame_OnEvent", true)`
`03:20.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`try Addon:hook("ChatFrame_OnEvent", true)`
`03:20.08`	`Estil`	`neat , a horde keychain for sale`
`03:20.16`	`Estil`	`I should buy it, my old one has gone south`
`03:20.18`	`Kivin`	`hmm okay. wish that was documented`
`03:20.20`	`*** kick/#wowace [Kivin!n=folk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Rabbit/vhaarr] by vhaarr (that's for not listening to me in the first place, next time you will)`
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`03:20.31`	`Kivin`	`=X`
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`03:28.15`	`Primer`	`I was pleasantly surprised to see my addon's options in that rock menu thing`
`03:28.36`	`Kivin`	`It swallows up aceconfig settings, I guess. Never really figured that out.`
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`03:32.42`	`Xinhuan`	`hmm i believe i have finally gotten my clustering algorithm to work`
`03:34.23`	`buu`	`ELLISPIS`
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`03:44.49`	`Xinhuan`	`i have a breakthrough for Routes`
`03:45.57`	`Xinhuan`	`http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp2.jpg -- BEFORE: 657 nodes`
`03:46.10`	`Xinhuan`	`http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp2.jpg -- After clustering nodes at 200 yards radius: 69 nodes`
`03:46.14`	`Lightfaz`	`not found`
`03:46.18`	`Lightfaz`	`The requested URL /~xinhuan/wow/temp2.jpg was not found on this server.`
`03:46.23`	`Xinhuan`	`hmm`
`03:46.24`	`Xinhuan`	`wait`
`03:46.29`	`Xinhuan`	`---`
`03:46.36`	`Xinhuan`	`http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp3.jpg -- BEFORE: 657 nodes`
`03:46.52`	`Xinhuan`	`http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp4.jpg -- After clustering nodes at 200 yards radius: 69 nodes`
`03:46.54`	`Lightfaz`	`holy hell, nodes much`
`03:47.11`	`Lightfaz`	`whats this for?`
`03:47.12`	`Xinhuan`	`http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp5.jpg -- After clustering nodes at 100 yards radius: 196 nodes`
`03:47.31`	`Xinhuan`	`its for farming herbs and ore efficiently`
`03:47.37`	`Xinhuan`	`and building a good route`
`03:47.42`	`Xinhuan`	`that passes over all the nodes`
`03:47.43`	`Lightfaz`	`interesting`
`03:48.25`	`Xinhuan`	`vhaarr, what do you think?`
`03:48.41`	`Xinhuan`	`i actually did a lot of math to get the centroids`
`03:49.27`	`Lightfaz`	`looks handy. does it tell you how to fly too? like`
`03:49.34`	`Lightfaz`	`I mean, give you a heading and such?`
`03:49.37`	`Lightfaz`	`or just map a route?`
`03:49.41`	`Xinhuan`	`the lines are drawn on the minimap`
`03:49.45`	`Xinhuan`	`as well`
`03:49.55`	`Xinhuan`	`something like...`
`03:50.02`	`Xinhuan`	`http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp.jpg`
`03:50.13`	`Xinhuan`	`see minimap`
`03:50.23`	`Lightfaz`	`ahh`
`03:50.24`	`Xinhuan`	`and mini zone map`
`03:50.25`	`Lightfaz`	`thats cool`
`03:51.05`	`Lightfaz`	`does it calculate the node info from something? or do you have to run around and find them first to map aroute`
`03:51.42`	`Xinhuan`	`uses Gatherer, Cartographer_blah, or GatherMate data, where available`
`03:52.12`	`Lightfaz`	`ahh`
`03:53.14`	`KarlThePagan`	`xin - I like :)`
`03:54.20`	`khangg`	`thats a long chat box`
`03:54.29`	`Xinhuan`	`yep`
`03:54.37`	`Xinhuan`	`i like long chatboxes`
`03:54.56`	`Lightfaz`	`thats what she said`
`03:54.58`	`Lightfaz`	`ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!`
`03:55.40`	`khangg`	`:o`
`03:55.55`	`khangg`	`what's the addon called?`
`03:56.07`	`Xinhuan`	`Routes`
`03:56.10`	`Xinhuan`	`in beta`
`03:56.21`	`Xinhuan`	`Cartographer_Routes is the one in circulation`
`03:56.25`	`khangg`	`okay`
`03:56.41`	`khangg`	`it'll be useful when i get my alt to 70 :o`
`03:56.50`	`khangg`	`actualyl decided to pick up herb`
`03:56.54`	`khangg`	`unlike my main who has no profs :P`
`03:57.31`	`Kivin`	`herb/eng is working great for money making for me`
`04:02.01`	`Aeyan`	`That's awesome routes addition, Xinhuan`
`04:02.06`	`Aeyan`	`+an`
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`04:04.12`	Funkeh`	`omg nymbia !`
`04:04.32`	Funkeh`	`the slacker returns`
`04:05.08`	`Xinhuan`	`it'll take some time to implement`
`04:05.15`	`Xinhuan`	`as the route storage format needs to change`
`04:05.27`	`Xinhuan`	`and every function needs to be updated`
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`04:09.12`	`Wobwork`	`http://www.linein.org/media/screenclean.swf`
`04:09.31`	`Lukian`	`Kivin, can I request inclusions for the default spamguard filters?`
`04:09.59`	`Kivin`	`Lukian: Not atm`
`04:10.11`	`Kivin`	`still very beta`
`04:10.16`	`Kivin`	`oh wait`
`04:10.19`	`Kivin`	`inclusions, of course`
`04:10.28`	`Kivin`	`reading comprehension while doing EoTS ftw`
`04:11.39`	`Lukian`	`Kivin, alright, see PM when you can`
`04:13.39`	`Kivin`	`lua> = string.match("power leveling", "power leveli?n?g?")`
`04:13.39`	`lua_bot`	`Kivin: sandbox.lua:298: Compilation failed: string.match("power leveling", "power leveli?n?g?"):1: unexpected symbol near '='`
`04:13.45`	`Kivin`	`lua> string.match("power leveling", "power leveli?n?g?")`
`04:13.46`	`lua_bot`	`Kivin: power leveling,`
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`04:15.17`	`Arrowmaster`	Funkeh`
`04:15.20`	`CIA-48`	`03kivin * r59356 10KivinSpamGuard/rules/english.lua:`
`04:15.20`	`CIA-48`	`KivinSpamGuard: (from dev r17)`
`04:15.20`	`CIA-48`	`- English Filters Added Courtesy of Lukian #wowace.`
`04:15.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`11:13:11 Big Wigs: Anetheron in ~30 sec!`
`04:15.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`11:14:40 Anetheron yells: You are defenders of a doomed world! Flee here, and perhaps you will prolong your pathetic lives!`
`04:18.24`	`Xinhuan`	`did you reloadui at the wrong tim`
`04:18.25`	`Xinhuan`	`time`
`04:18.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`no`
`04:18.36`	`Primer`	`hrrm, can I not use localization functions in a choices = {} ?`
`04:18.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`the boss spawn timers in hyjal are off`
`04:18.52`	`Primer`	`choices = { L["foo"], }, <-- like that?`
`04:19.07`	`Primer`	`choices = { 1 = L["foo"], }`
`04:19.09`	`Primer`	`that is`
`04:19.28`	`Kivin`	`lua> t = {1 = "Foo"}; print(next(t))`
`04:19.29`	`lua_bot`	`Kivin: sandbox.lua:298: Compilation failed: [string "t = {1 = "Foo"}; print(next(t))"]:1: '}' expected near '='`
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`04:19.46`	`Kivin`	`lua> t = {[1] = "Foo"}; print(next(t))`
`04:19.46`	`lua_bot`	`Kivin: 1, Foo`
`04:20.11`	`Kivin`	`{ L["foo"], } would be more correct than { 1 = L["foo"], } (syntax error)`
`04:20.12`	`Primer`	`ok`
`04:20.20`	`Kivin`	`but [1] works too if you want to be explicit`
`04:20.34`	`Primer`	`I want a string to represent the text shown, but the value is a number`
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`04:21.17`	`Kivin`	`t = { ["StringKey"] = 50 } <- like that?`
`04:27.29`	`Primer`	`seems a 'choice' can't be a slashcommand?`
`04:27.50`	`Primer`	`I think I looked at the wrong example code`
`04:28.05`	`Primer`	`actually, I got that from pitbull`
`04:28.12`	`Kivin`	`are you writing a rockconfig configtable?`
`04:28.27`	`Primer`	`well, that wasn't the intent`
`04:28.34`	`Kivin`	`what are you trying to do`
`04:28.34`	`Primer`	`it just happened to show up in rock :)`
`04:28.41`	`khangg`	`what was that addon that loads the addon when you actually need it?`
`04:28.57`	`Aeyan`	`AddonLoader`
`04:30.19`	`Primer`	`Kivin: I'm trying to make a multiple select`
`04:30.27`	`Kivin`	`in rockconfig?`
`04:30.38`	`Primer`	`for example, in pitbull, you can choose where an icon goes`
`04:31.03`	`Kivin`	`you writing it standalone or using rock?`
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`04:34.52`	`Primer`	`Kivin: at first I was setting my config options from the command line, then, while playing, I noticed my addon showed up in Rock`
`04:34.57`	`Primer`	`and I thought "wow, this is cool!"`
`04:35.15`	`Kivin`	`Yeah, rock swallows up settings from AceConfig, IIRC`
`04:35.22`	`Primer`	`so now I've taken to adding more options. I'd be happy to simply work as a slash command`
`04:35.34`	`Kivin`	`So are you trying to get a multiselect to the rockconfig panel?`
`04:35.50`	`Primer`	`(for the sake of simplicity) yes`
`04:36.01`	`Kivin`	`Have you read the rockconfig documentation?`
`04:36.01`	`Primer`	`let me pastebin the code`
`04:36.07`	`Primer`	`of course not!`
`04:36.08`	`Kivin`	`sure`
`04:36.09`	`Kivin`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/LibRockConfig-1.0#multichoice`
`04:36.15`	`Kivin`	`that's the example code for making a multiselect`
`04:36.26`	`Primer`	`thanks :)`
`04:36.27`	`CIA-48`	`03shen * r59357 10PoliteWhisper/PoliteWhisper.lua: PoliteWhisper Extended: Fixed issue where whispers wouldn't appear when upgrading from original PoliteWhisper`
`04:36.34`	`Kivin`	`er multichoice`
`04:38.22`	`Primer`	`http://sh.nu/p/23904`
`04:38.36`	`Kivin`	`sec in eos`
`04:39.02`	`Primer`	`that's being passed to this though: myObj:RegisterChatCommand(L["Slash-Commands"], opts)`
`04:39.12`	`Kivin`	`looks fine to me`
`04:39.22`	`Kivin`	`I know nothing about AceConfig, but it looks rockconfig compatible`
`04:39.46`	`Primer`	`I guess I need a separate array for slashcommands`
`04:39.55`	`Primer`	`perhaps I'll just leave slashcommands out entirely`
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`04:41.06`	`Kivin`	`Is AceConfig puking on the 'choice' type?`
`04:41.33`	`Nargiddley`	`Rock has a compat layer for AceConfig tables (AceConsole-2.0, dewdrop, waterfall etc), but those libs wont read Rock ones`
`04:42.01`	`Kivin`	`Figured as much`
`04:42.10`	`Primer`	`pardon my ignorance, but is there a file where lua errors go?`
`04:42.17`	`Primer`	`the message was truncated`
`04:42.20`	`Primer`	`on-screen`
`04:42.47`	`Kivin`	`might want to get bugsack`
`04:43.19`	`Primer`	`so that's a "no"?`
`04:43.20`	`Primer`	`heh`
`04:43.30`	`Kivin`	`that's a "beats the hell out of me"`
`04:43.43`	Funkeh`	`reload ui and check your framexml.log in /logs`
`04:43.47`	`CIA-48`	`03xinhuan 07Ace3 * r59358 10Routes/ (Routes.lua TSP.lua): Routes: Fix minimap line drawing logic for shortening lines. Add "Hierarchical Agglomerative Clustering" algorithm function to TSP.lua, add stub in Routes to call it.`
`04:43.54`	`Primer`	`AceConsole-2.0: args.RefreshRate: "type" must either be "range", "text", "group" ...`
`04:44.15`	`Xinhuan`	`"choice" - is rock only`
`04:44.31`	`Xinhuan`	`if you want it to work with AceConfig, you can't use type="choice"`
`04:44.55`	`Xinhuan`	`i.e your addon is an Ace2 addon, you must adhere to Ace2config stuff`
`04:45.06`	`Xinhuan`	`you can't use Rock-only stuff, unless your addon is Rock`
`04:45.08`	`Nargiddley`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceOptions_data_table is the spec for AceConsole-2.0 compatible options`
`04:45.22`	`Primer`	`so being an Ace2 addon, should anyone who installs it have a Rock icon around the map?`
`04:45.31`	`Xinhuan`	`no`
`04:45.33`	`Primer`	`I had a cow-orker install mine, and he didn't have the icon`
`04:45.39`	`Xinhuan`	`they will only see the rock icon if they have rock`
`04:46.03`	`Xinhuan`	`addons that use rock: Fubar, Cartographer, Cowtip, Pitbull`
`04:46.12`	`Xinhuan`	`and maybe 1 or 2 others out there`
`04:46.20`	`Primer`	`hrmm, I'd like to be able to have slash commands and rock work`
`04:46.24`	`Kivin`	`anything that starts with 'kivin'`
`04:46.30`	`Kivin`	`:P`
`04:46.31`	`Primer`	`up until this option, both did`
`04:46.40`	`Xinhuan`	`well, not everyone uses rock addons`
`04:46.43`	`Primer`	`but this option is a multi-select`
`04:46.45`	`Xinhuan`	`so you can't assume rock exists`
`04:46.51`	`Primer`	`so I need to embed it`
`04:46.59`	`Xinhuan`	`then why use ace2?`
`04:47.06`	`Xinhuan`	`your entire addon should be using rock, not ace2`
`04:47.07`	`Nargiddley`	`I pasted the spec you need for AceConsole-2.0 to work, rock has a compat layer for those options and will work on all of them`
`04:47.09`	`Kivin`	`rock is a very large framework.`
`04:47.22`	`Xinhuan`	`ace2 is ace2, rock is rock, they aren't the same`
`04:47.29`	`Primer`	`I'm coding by the seat of my pants here, guys!`
`04:47.30`	`Xinhuan`	`rock can use ace2 stuff, but ace2 can't use rock stuff`
`04:47.45`	`Primer`	`honestly, I'm surprised I made as much progress as I have already`
`04:47.51`	`Xinhuan`	`so if you used ace2, you need to stick with ace2`
`04:48.31`	`Primer`	`heh, nowhere in my .lua file does the work "rock" exist`
`04:48.58`	`Primer`	`like I said, I just happened to notice that it was present _in_ rock when I went to change some pitbull settings earlier today`
`04:49.08`	`Primer`	`to my surprise`
`04:50.25`	`Nargiddley`	`Rock pulls the options tables registered with AceConsole-2.0, similar to how Niagara does`
`04:50.42`	`Kivin`	`dotn take bases thats pointless u win by taking the FLAG!!! <- some moron in EoTS`
`04:50.51`	`Estil`	`lewl`
`04:50.59`	`Primer`	`Nargiddley: I'm reading your URL now`
`04:51.48`	`CIA-48`	`03xinhuan * r59359 10Cartographer_Routes/Core.lua: Cartographer_Routes: Fix minimap line drawing logic for shortening lines`
`04:52.59`	`CIA-48`	`03shen * r59360 10PoliteWhisper/ (PoliteWhisper.lua localization.lua): PoliteWhisper Extended: German localization`
`04:53.12`	`Primer`	`heh, I could have just made this a range!`
`04:53.14`	`Primer`	`awesome`
`04:53.22`	`Silowyi`	`hmm`
`04:53.40`	`Silowyi`	`so apparently in patch 2.0 intellect no longer increases the speed of weapon skill increases... supposedly`
`04:53.46`	`Silowyi`	`but I can't find it in the patch notes`
`04:55.02`	`Kivin`	`speaking of weapon skill, i need to get my polearm skill up so i can actually land wing clips`
`04:56.20`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`Silowyi: it was before 2.0`
`04:56.30`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`1.3 iirc`
`04:56.39`	`Primer`	`nice, range worked out much better`
`04:56.47`	`Primer`	`Nargiddley: thanks :)`
`04:57.15`	`Lukian`	`Silowyi, it's no longer stated in the interface, so it's assumed.`
`04:57.19`	`CIA-48`	`03shen * r59361 10PoliteWhisper/ (README localization.lua): PoliteWhisper Extended: Added README`
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`05:01.27`	`Bruners`	`int was never supposed to give increased weapon skill gain`
`05:07.33`	`Primer`	`ohh this is working out really well`
`05:07.55`	`Primer`	`Is there a way to set alpha transparency for a fontstring?`
`05:09.42`	`Xinhuan`	`remember that wiki page i linked you Primer?`
`05:09.44`	`Xinhuan`	`hop on it`
`05:09.47`	`Xinhuan`	`and don't ask silly questions`
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`05:12.08`	`Primer`	`Xinhuan: I'd say I have the texture thing working beautifully, thanks to you :)`
`05:12.25`	`Primer`	`I'm now looking to add configurable transparency to the text I have`
`05:12.39`	`Xinhuan`	`fairly sure the answer is in that wiki page`
`05:13.29`	`Primer`	`the one regarding SetTexCoord?`
`05:13.40`	`Primer`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10684.0 ?`
`05:13.46`	`Xinhuan`	`i said wiki`
`05:13.48`	`Xinhuan`	`not forums`
`05:13.55`	`Primer`	`oh, the API one`
`05:13.55`	`Xinhuan`	`sometimes i have wonder if you read`
`05:14.01`	`Xinhuan`	`half* wonder`
`05:14.08`	`Primer`	`sorry, I'm doing 5 things at the same time`
`05:17.29`	`ShenDK`	`Xinhuan, what wiki page was that?`
`05:17.38`	`Xinhuan`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API`
`05:17.43`	`ShenDK`	`thanks`
`05:18.42`	`Primer`	`see, I was already on that page before I even asked`
`05:20.19`	`Xinhuan`	`then, you might have noticed that FontStrings inherit methods from FontInstances...`
`05:21.27`	`potemkin`	`can i use $parent in the parameters of a function in xml`
`05:21.34`	`Xinhuan`	`no.`
`05:21.59`	`Primer`	`yup, inherited`
`05:22.02`	`Primer`	`saw that myself`
`05:23.43`	`potemkin`	`hm`
`05:23.47`	`potemkin`	`how would i pass something`
`05:23.51`	`potemkin`	`that starts with $parent`
`05:24.11`	`potemkin`	`do i just have tot ype it all manually`
`05:24.22`	`Xinhuan`	`type it out manually`
`05:24.47`	`Xinhuan`	`or use self:GetParent():GetName().."blah"`
`05:25.28`	`Xinhuan`	`assuming your object is named $parentblah`
`05:26.07`	`potemkin`	`k thx`
`05:26.13`	`potemkin`	`how come you use self instead of this?`
`05:26.29`	`Xinhuan`	`every function wrapper in XML has "self" passed as the first parameter`
`05:26.42`	`Xinhuan`	`"this" is a global variable, "self" is a local variable, and both are identical.`
`05:26.46`	`Xinhuan`	`and refer to the same object`
`05:26.53`	`Xinhuan`	`accessing a local is faster`
`05:26.54`	`potemkin`	`is self faster`
`05:27.00`	`potemkin`	`yeah`
`05:27.02`	`potemkin`	`kk`
`05:27.55`	`potemkin`	`whats the point of using this`
`05:28.02`	`potemkin`	`if its slower`
`05:28.24`	`Xinhuan`	`"self" wasn't introduced prior to patch 1.9`
`05:28.27`	`Xinhuan`	`you had to use "this"`
`05:28.47`	`potemkin`	`oh`
`05:28.54`	`Xinhuan`	`so for backwards compat, "this" still works, for old mods`
`05:29.10`	`potemkin`	`so its good practice to pass self into the function?`
`05:29.11`	`Xinhuan`	`but its technically redundant and deprecated`
`05:29.23`	`Xinhuan`	`it is always passed, its not a "practice" or not`
`05:29.36`	`potemkin`	`o`
`05:30.21`	`potemkin`	`so its redundant`
`05:30.26`	`potemkin`	`to make a parameter for self`
`05:30.50`	`Xinhuan`	`when you have event handlers in XML`
`05:30.59`	`Xinhuan`	`you're including lua code for those events`
`05:31.15`	`Xinhuan`	`wow implicitly surrounds all those lua code in XML with a function wrapper`
`05:31.29`	`Xinhuan`	`that looks like: function(self, ...) blah blah end`
`05:31.50`	`Xinhuan`	`the exact function wrapper differs by event`
`05:32.06`	`Xinhuan`	`OnEvent wrapper is function(self, event, ...) end`
`05:32.21`	`Xinhuan`	`OnUpdate wrapper is function(self, elapsed) end`
`05:32.23`	`Xinhuan`	`etc`
`05:33.06`	`potemkin`	`yeah`
`05:33.15`	`potemkin`	`so self is always the frame i guess`
`05:33.31`	`potemkin`	`unless i specify otherwise`
`05:34.23`	`Xinhuan`	`self will refer to the frame that triggered that event`
`05:35.33`	`potemkin`	`does wow`
`05:35.36`	`potemkin`	`wrap anonymous functions`
`05:36.00`	`Xinhuan`	`every function declared in XML is an anonymous function.`
`05:36.49`	`potemkin`	`ic`
`05:36.49`	`Xinhuan`	`or rather, the stuff that is <OnLoad> </OnLoad> etc, is converted to an anonymous function with that wrapper`
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`05:37.09`	`Xinhuan`	`if you defined some function inside that function, that's your business whether its global or local`
`05:39.08`	`potemkin`	`kk thanks for explaining`
`05:42.59`	`potemkin`	`hm i had`
`05:43.00`	`potemkin`	`frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() self:OnUpdate end)`
`05:43.02`	`potemkin`	`inside like`
`05:43.11`	`potemkin`	`MyAddon:CreateFrame()`
`05:43.35`	`potemkin`	`in the setscript self referred to MyAddon`
`05:43.45`	`potemkin`	`if i made it`
`05:43.55`	`potemkin`	`frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function(self) self:OnUpdate end)`
`05:44.01`	`potemkin`	`self would refer to frame`
`05:44.07`	`Xinhuan`	`correct`
`05:44.09`	`potemkin`	`right`
`05:44.21`	`potemkin`	`doesnt it wrap`
`05:44.22`	`potemkin`	`the 1st case`
`05:44.26`	`Xinhuan`	`no`
`05:44.33`	`Xinhuan`	`because that function isn't defined in XML`
`05:44.35`	`Xinhuan`	`its in lua`
`05:45.22`	`Xinhuan`	`"defined in XML" means, like, you have a .xml file and its defined in there`
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`05:45.39`	`potemkin`	`yeah`
`05:46.20`	`potemkin`	`hm in the second case`
`05:46.27`	`potemkin`	`how come if i put self in the parameter`
`05:46.29`	`potemkin`	`it refers to the frame`
`05:46.48`	`potemkin`	`but in the 1st case`
`05:46.56`	`potemkin`	`self doesnt refer to frame`
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`06:01.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`because in the first case you had that code inside MyAddon:CreateFrame() where self refers to MyAddon`
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`06:07.18`	`CIA-48`	`03xinhuan * r59362 10/branches/GatherMate/embeds.xml: GatherMate: Remove AceHook-3.0 from embeds.xml as it is not used.`
`06:08.11`	`potemkin`	`yeah but how come self isnt MyAddon in the parameter of the 2nd case?`
`06:09.42`	`Xinhuan`	`because "self" is a parameter that is passed in`
`06:10.37`	`Xinhuan`	`if i wrote a function like this function MyAddon:SomeFunc(arg1, arg2, arg3) end`
`06:10.41`	`Xinhuan`	`it is equal to writing`
`06:10.54`	`Xinhuan`	`function MyAddon.SomeFunc(self, arg1, arg2, arg3) end`
`06:11.04`	`Xinhuan`	`when you call this function, say`
`06:11.17`	`Xinhuan`	`MyAddon:SomeFunc(1, 2, 3)`
`06:11.22`	`Xinhuan`	`you are actually doing this:`
`06:11.31`	`Xinhuan`	`MyAddon.SomeFunc(MyAddon, 1, 2, 3)`
`06:11.45`	`Xinhuan`	`so if you sent in a different argument`
`06:11.50`	`Xinhuan`	`MyAddon.SomeFunc(HisAddon, 1, 2, 3)`
`06:11.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`with frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function(self) self:OnUpdate end), when the frames onupdate gets called its called with func(frame, timesincelastonupdate)`
`06:11.57`	`Xinhuan`	`then the "self" parameter would be different`
`06:12.06`	`CIA-48`	`03parnic * r59363 10IceHUD/IceBarElement.lua:`
`06:12.06`	`CIA-48`	`IceHUD:`
`06:12.06`	`CIA-48`	`- fix a rare case of accessing nil variables when bars are switching quickly`
`06:12.23`	`Xinhuan`	`in the OnEvent handler, the "self" that got passed in is the frame that triggered the event, and not the "MyAddon" table`
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`06:19.42`	`potemkin`	`hm so if im understanding correctly`
`06:20.11`	`potemkin`	`frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function(self) self:OnUpdate end)`
`06:20.15`	`potemkin`	`everytime onupdates called`
`06:20.17`	`potemkin`	`it tries to pass self in`
`06:20.21`	`potemkin`	`and its able to`
`06:20.26`	`potemkin`	`frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() self:OnUpdate end)`
`06:20.30`	`potemkin`	`it isnt able to pass self in`
`06:20.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`so it uses the self from the function thats located in`
`06:21.01`	`potemkin`	`so it looks for another self, myaddon, which is its closest upvalue, or whatever you call it`
`06:21.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`and shouldnt those be frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function(self) self:OnUpdate() end) and frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() self:OnUpdate() end)`
`06:21.40`	`potemkin`	`yeah`
`06:22.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`which are you wanting to use though?`
`06:22.48`	`CIA-48`	`03mikk 07Beta * r59364 10Ace3/ (2 files in 2 dirs):`
`06:22.48`	`CIA-48`	`Ace3 - CallbackHandler:`
`06:22.48`	`CIA-48`	`- An event initially registered from within a handler would have OnUsed`
`06:22.48`	`CIA-48`	`immediately fired. But if it is then unregistered from within that handler,`
`06:22.48`	`CIA-48`	`OnUnused would not fire. The OnUsed call is now delayed to the point where the`
`06:22.49`	`CIA-48`	`insertion queue goes live, and does not happen at all in the given case.`
`06:22.54`	`potemkin`	`nothing, just trying to understand it when i used it a couple weeks ago`
`06:23.25`	`potemkin`	`oh is`
`06:23.27`	`potemkin`	`frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function(self) self:OnUpdate end)`
`06:23.28`	`potemkin`	`the same as`
`06:23.33`	`potemkin`	`frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() this:OnUpdate end)`
`06:23.37`	`potemkin`	`but the 1st one is just faster?`
`06:23.55`	`potemkin`	`even though itd give an error`
`06:24.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`theyre calling different functions`
`06:24.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh wait`
`06:24.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah the first would be faster`
`06:24.50`	`Nargiddley`	`frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", frame.OnUpdate) is the same thing anyway isnt it ?`
`06:25.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah`
`06:25.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats better`
`06:26.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`you could do frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", MyAddon.OnUpdate) too but every reference to self in MyAddon:OnUpdate() would refer to frame instead of MyAddon`
`06:26.53`	`RaydenUni`	`why do officers pull you over and then ask you if you know why you were pulled over`
`06:26.53`	`RaydenUni`	`and then effectively ask you if you knew you were speeding`
`06:26.53`	`RaydenUni`	`seems like a pretty dumb thing to respond to`
`06:26.53`	`RaydenUni`	`he already knows`
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`06:32.45`	`durcyn`	`clad\|sleep: looks like perfectraid r133 buff changes caused all configured buffs to show text, regardless of whether or not the aura exists on the unit`
`06:32.58`	`clad\|sleep`	`yeah`
`06:33.02`	`clad\|sleep`	`few other issues too i'm working through`
`06:33.06`	`clad\|sleep`	`have a fix for that one coming throughh`
`06:33.11`	`clad\|sleep`	`but highlighting has some bugs`
`06:33.15`	`clad\|sleep`	`so gotta run to durotar to test`
`06:33.23`	`durcyn`	`gotcha. how do you prefer to get bug reports btw?`
`06:34.07`	`durcyn`	`i'm guessing "not at all" :o`
`06:35.02`	`clad\|sleep`	`email, googlecode, wowi`
`06:35.10`	`clad\|sleep`	`if they're good reports, you can just email me :P`
`06:35.18`	`clad\|sleep`	`i'm pretty responsive regardless of where you post`
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`06:47.46`	`CIA-48`	`03xinhuan 07Ace3 * r59365 10Routes/TSP.lua: Routes: Optimize clustering algorithm to take about 1/2 to 1/3 as much time.`
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`06:53.51`	`CIA-48`	`03parnic * r59366 10IceHUD/modules/CastBar.lua:`
`06:53.51`	`CIA-48`	`IceHUD:`
`06:53.51`	`CIA-48`	`- fix "flash on failures" option not disabling when the player cast bar is disabled`
`06:56.06`	`Xinhuan`	`http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2050/1201226611363xz5.jpg`
`06:56.07`	`Xinhuan`	`:)`
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`06:58.22`	`Kheper`	`did anyone else on tich just dc?`
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`07:02.24`	`CIA-48`	`03parnic * r59367 10IceHUD/IceCastBar.lua:`
`07:02.24`	`CIA-48`	`IceHUD:`
`07:02.24`	`CIA-48`	`- fixed a problem with target cast bars not always interrupting properly (apparently UNIT_SPELLCAST_STOP doesn't reliably return the spell that's stopping for non-player units)`
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`07:11.48`	`Primer`	`It seems that my settings aren't being saved. I've followed this tut: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace2_Addon`
`07:12.18`	`Primer`	`Should instantiating an Ace object with Ace2-DB save and load the variables automagically?`
`07:12.32`	`Primer`	`given that it was used in the manner described in that tut?`
`07:19.34`	`Primer`	`still not saving them`
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`07:35.06`	`Poof`	`Did Blizzard add unique mob IDs?`
`07:36.39`	`Elkano`	`omfg: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/pod_bay_doors.png`
`07:37.22`	`Elkano`	`Poof, at least they intended to do so iirc; but 2.4 PTR isn't live, yet, is it?`
`07:40.11`	`Poof`	`Oh =/`
`07:40.12`	`Poof`	`M4eh`
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`07:40.40`	`Orionshock`	`IT WORKS!`
`07:40.42`	`Orionshock`	`....`
`07:42.08`	`Elkano`	`Orionshock, what?`
`07:42.15`	`CIA-48`	`03daviesh * r59368 10AtlasLoot/AtlasLoot.toc:`
`07:42.15`	`CIA-48`	`AtlasLoot:`
`07:42.15`	`CIA-48`	`- v4.03.00 finalised`
`07:42.15`	`CIA-48`	`03daviesh * r59369 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/AtlasLoot_BCInstances.toc:`
`07:42.15`	`CIA-48`	`AtlasLoot_BCInstances:`
`07:42.16`	`CIA-48`	`- v4.03.00 finalised`
`07:42.20`	`CIA-48`	`03daviesh * r59371 10AtlasLoot_RepFactions/AtlasLoot_RepFactions.toc:`
`07:42.20`	`CIA-48`	`AtlasLoot_RepFactions:`
`07:42.22`	`CIA-48`	`- v4.03.00 finalised`
`07:42.26`	`CIA-48`	`03daviesh * r59370 10AtlasLoot_OldInstances/AtlasLoot_OldInstances.toc:`
`07:42.28`	`CIA-48`	`AtlasLoot_OldInstances:`
`07:42.30`	`CIA-48`	`- v4.03.00 finalised`
`07:42.34`	`CIA-48`	`03daviesh * r59372 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP.toc:`
`07:42.36`	`CIA-48`	`AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP:`
`07:42.38`	`CIA-48`	`- v4.03.00 finalised`
`07:42.38`	`Orionshock`	`Elkano: the lib... i threw togeather a test case and .. it worked nicely`
`07:42.49`	`CIA-48`	`03daviesh * r59373 10AtlasLoot_WorldLoot/AtlasLoot_WorldLoot.toc:`
`07:42.49`	`CIA-48`	`AtlasLoot_WorldLoot:`
`07:42.49`	`CIA-48`	`- v4.03.00 finalised`
`07:42.59`	`Elkano`	`had you looked in my pasey?`
`07:43.12`	`Orionshock`	`.. never got the link, re link it :D`
`07:43.19`	`Elkano`	`http://pastey.net/81201`
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`07:45.27`	`Orionshock`	`Elkano: interesting....`
`07:45.57`	`Orionshock`	`but that's a local Metatable, and has no way of getting info in or out w/o knowing where the MT object is`
`07:46.10`	`Elkano`	`as long as you don't have a reference to the metatable stored you won't be able to edit anything without using the API provided`
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`07:47.55`	`Orionshock`	`right... if the display dosn't know where the source is then we're back to square one`
`07:48.41`	`Elkano`	`well, that's where the lib comes in place`
`07:48.53`	`Elkano`	`this was moor like a proof of concept`
`07:49.09`	`Elkano`	`btw: what do you think about LibDataBroker as name?`
`07:49.19`	`Orionshock`	`hehe...`
`07:49.30`	`Orionshock`	`LibDataBroked'er`
`07:50.03`	`CIA-48`	`03daviesh * r59374 10AtlasLoot/Core/AtlasLoot.lua:`
`07:50.03`	`CIA-48`	`AtlasLoot:`
`07:50.03`	`CIA-48`	`- Forgot to increment the version number inside the mod.`
`07:50.35`	`Elkano`	`I'll try to get my version of the lib running to give it some tests, too`
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`07:51.47`	`Orionshock`	`Elkano: you make a good question with that statement... would you like to work together on this or, shall we have an election after we're done with each of our versions?`
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`07:53.35`	`Elkano`	`well, it is indeed a good question... was talking with tekkub about sth like that, too...`
`07:53.43`	`ramoz`	`i vote for Elkano cause i think of elks every time i see his nick`
`07:54.10`	`Tekkub`	`moo?`
`07:54.24`	`Elkano`	`I think it won't hurt if we do a draft/poc coding per person and than finalize it together ^^`
`07:54.38`	`Tekkub`	`I just need to add CBH to mine and write up some unit testes`
`07:54.54`	`Elkano`	`ramoz, you got it ^^ though depending on where you live you would have to think of moose instead of elks`
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`07:55.11`	`Orionshock`	`... i found CBH... lacking when reasoning though this ideak Tekkub`
`07:55.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats because you fail at CBH`
`07:55.36`	`Tekkub`	`try that again in english`
`07:55.37`	`Elkano`	`Orionshock, I intended to use CBH to inform the displays about changed attributes`
`07:56.32`	`Orionshock`	`i found that CBH wasn't going to do what i needed it to do w/o some Voodoo, i still used it but not as i originally thought i would.`
`07:56.44`	`Orionshock`	`Elkano: yes that was about the only viable thing i saw it useful for`
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`07:58.57`	`ramoz`	`Elkano: i haf elks`
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`08:00.15`	`Elkano`	`btw: of what do you think when you read this line? "A group of hackers calling themselves Anonymous have been threatening to destroy the Church of Scientology."`
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`08:00.40`	`Orionshock`	`... about time`
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`08:01.35`	`Ellipsis`	`anonymous does not forgive`
`08:01.46`	`ramoz`	`i'm thinking /b/ straight away`
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`08:04.54`	`Xinhuan`	`i wonder if tremove() is faster than constructing my own loop to shift down elements`
`08:06.08`	`CIA-48`	`03xinhuan 07Ace3 * r59375 10Routes/TSP.lua: Routes: Minor optimization (about 0.2% faster)`
`08:10.05`	`potemkin`	`is %d in string.format an integer`
`08:10.12`	`Xinhuan`	`yes`
`08:11.57`	`Orionshock`	`Elkano / Tekkub i will admit, im not really a programmer. i've had very little formal training in such ideas, most of what i've done i've learned by example and though a hard time of trial and error... i guess i'll leave that idea up to you 2`
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`08:18.57`	`clad\|sleep`	`durcyn: Just commited quite a bit`
`08:19.40`	`Xinhuan`	`clad\|sleep, did you ever get around to fixing waypoint arrows?`
`08:19.51`	`clad\|sleep`	`what do you mean fixing waypoint arrows?`
`08:20.04`	`Xinhuan`	`tomtom's arrow or something`
`08:20.10`	`Xinhuan`	`i heard you were adding a graphical one`
`08:20.13`	`clad\|sleep`	`yeah I am`
`08:20.17`	`clad\|sleep`	`its already coded and working in trunk`
`08:20.22`	`Xinhuan`	`and the trunk version is broken according to stan`
`08:20.23`	`clad\|sleep`	`I just need to finish the rest of the addon around it :P`
`08:20.38`	`clad\|sleep`	`well trunk was never meant to be used`
`08:20.50`	`Xinhuan`	`when its done drop me a note so i can add routes support to it ;p`
`08:21.10`	`clad\|sleep`	`:P`
`08:21.11`	`clad\|sleep`	`will do`
`08:21.14`	`Xinhuan`	`seen some of the stuff`
`08:21.17`	`clad\|sleep`	`that's one of my projects this weekend`
`08:21.20`	`Xinhuan`	`i just did to routes? hehe`
`08:21.28`	`Xinhuan`	`clustering points to around 60 yards radius`
`08:21.30`	`clad\|sleep`	`I've been watching the commits, but i'm sure i missed something`
`08:21.33`	`clad\|sleep`	`oh nice!`
`08:21.40`	`Xinhuan`	`i linked SSes`
`08:21.41`	`Xinhuan`	`i'll relink`
`08:21.53`	`Xinhuan`	`http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp3.jpg -- BEFORE: 657 nodes`
`08:21.56`	`Xinhuan`	`http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp4.jpg -- After clustering nodes at 200 yards radius: 69 nodes`
`08:22.00`	`Xinhuan`	`http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp5.jpg -- After clustering nodes at 100 yards radius: 196 nodes`
`08:22.07`	`clad\|sleep`	`I just wanted to get these praid changes done, since it was something i can do offline for the most part.. which doesn't make sense, since my internet connection is up righ tnow :p`
`08:22.10`	`clad\|sleep`	`but it was 6am, ah well`
`08:22.19`	`Xinhuan`	`its going to be pretty cool i think`
`08:22.24`	`clad\|sleep`	`nice :P`
`08:22.33`	`clad\|sleep`	`i'm enjoying mapster+gathermate+tomtom right now.`
`08:22.42`	`Xinhuan`	`took about 7 seconds to cluster 600 nodes to 200`
`08:22.47`	`clad\|sleep`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:22.49`	`clad\|sleep`	`however :P`
`08:22.58`	`clad\|sleep`	`interested in adding routes support for tomtom?`
`08:23.05`	`Xinhuan`	`thats the plan`
`08:23.14`	`Xinhuan`	`it works similarly to Cart_Waypoints right?`
`08:23.35`	`clad\|sleep`	`i think (i'm not sure how cwp works)`
`08:23.42`	`clad\|sleep`	`but it shouldn't be too bad`
`08:23.45`	`Xinhuan`	`in concept i mean`
`08:23.50`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't care about the maths behind it`
`08:24.23`	`clad\|sleep`	`aye`
`08:24.36`	`Xinhuan`	`should be easy`
`08:24.42`	`clad\|sleep`	`wow this looks awesome`
`08:24.47`	`clad\|sleep`	`much less frightening than the original :P`
`08:24.55`	`Xinhuan`	`all i need is an API to add 1 node to show an arrow`
`08:25.09`	`Xinhuan`	`when the user reaches that node, provide a callback to routes, so i can add a new waypoint`
`08:25.12`	`Xinhuan`	`etc`
`08:25.21`	`clad\|sleep`	`yep`
`08:25.27`	`clad\|sleep`	`you can even register custom distances`
`08:25.29`	`clad\|sleep`	`:P`
`08:25.42`	`Xinhuan`	`yeah, i had to "hack".. well update cart_waypoints to handle that`
`08:25.44`	`clad\|sleep`	`so your callback gets called when you hit 50 yards, 25 yards and 5 yards`
`08:26.13`	`Xinhuan`	`i only need 1 callback though, i have a slider for the distance which is considered "waypoint hit"`
`08:26.17`	`Xinhuan`	`its defaulted at 50 yards`
`08:26.30`	`Xinhuan`	`within routes`
`08:26.41`	`clad\|sleep`	`cool`
`08:26.53`	`Xinhuan`	`but the user can customize that`
`08:27.01`	`clad\|sleep`	`yeah you can only register one callback then`
`08:27.01`	`Xinhuan`	`the "find minerals" range is 80 yards or so`
`08:27.13`	`clad\|sleep`	`its pretty easy`
`08:27.39`	`Xinhuan`	`pretty much Routes is modularized to the point that any addon can "plugin" and provide node data to be routed now`
`08:27.50`	`Xinhuan`	`so if lightheaded were to provide such a plugin`
`08:27.55`	`clad\|sleep`	`function TomTom:SetWaypoint(c,z,x,y,far,near,arrive,callback)`
`08:28.03`	`Xinhuan`	`it can route quests`
`08:28.24`	`clad\|sleep`	`function TomTom:SetCrazyArrow(point, dist)`
`08:28.45`	`Xinhuan`	`c and z is the continent/zone index from GetMapZones()?`
`08:29.00`	`Xinhuan`	`or english strings?`
`08:29.05`	`clad\|sleep`	`the former`
`08:29.17`	`Xinhuan`	`easy then, i already have that table`
`08:29.19`	`clad\|sleep`	`as of right now, thats the waypoint`
`08:29.21`	`clad\|sleep`	`err`
`08:29.22`	`clad\|sleep`	`API`
`08:29.31`	`clad\|sleep`	`i need to provide a handler to points, so they can be removed later`
`08:29.56`	`clad\|sleep`	`TG needs that`
`08:30.18`	`Xinhuan`	`it would be interesting to see if TG or Lightheaded can come up with a plugin to provide node-data to Routes that aren't "chained"`
`08:30.40`	`Xinhuan`	`like, if a user has 8 quests that aren't chained to each other, can make a route from that`
`08:30.56`	`clad\|sleep`	`QuestHelper does that really well`
`08:31.02`	`clad\|sleep`	`tho his code for routes isn't particularly great`
`08:31.11`	`clad\|sleep`	`he really needs to add terrain hints`
`08:31.18`	`clad\|sleep`	`for the big FUCKING mountains that get in the way in Azeroth =(`
`08:31.25`	`Xinhuan`	`Routes doesn't take into account terrain either`
`08:31.31`	`Xinhuan`	`i just use straight line distances`
`08:31.38`	`clad\|sleep`	`well routes is mostly used on flying mounts.`
`08:31.41`	`Xinhuan`	`for the most part, for farming on flying mounts, its ok`
`08:31.44`	`cladhaire`	`so you're allowed :P`
`08:31.54`	`Xinhuan`	`hence the dropdown list box for choosing the zone to make a route in`
`08:32.03`	`cladhaire`	`aye`
`08:32.07`	`Xinhuan`	`is limited to "outland zones" + current zone + currently viewing map zone on your map`
`08:32.13`	`Xinhuan`	`so you can still make routes on any map`
`08:32.24`	`Xinhuan`	`its ok in flat plaecs like... barrens, ungoro, tanaris, etc`
`08:32.39`	`Xinhuan`	`but not so ok in Searing Gorge`
`08:32.50`	`ramoz`	`or silithus`
`08:33.16`	`Xinhuan`	`if someone bothered to map every square yard of azeroth and provide 2 maps per zone (height map, and passability map)`
`08:33.18`	`Xinhuan`	`i could use that data`
`08:33.32`	`Xinhuan`	`height map.. is the height of each sq yard`
`08:33.38`	`cladhaire`	`yeah`
`08:33.42`	`cladhaire`	`thats tough to get`
`08:33.45`	`Xinhuan`	`and passability map is the terrain speed of that sq yard (0.6 for water)`
`08:33.58`	`cladhaire`	`but even if we could just flag certain areas as impassible, full stop.`
`08:34.13`	`Xinhuan`	`the terrain data would still end up sucking huge amounts of memory`
`08:34.35`	`Xinhuan`	`a typical zone is like 3000 yards x 2000 yards = 6mil sq yards`
`08:35.29`	`Xinhuan`	`and doing A* algo between every node (say 400 nodes) will take too much time anyway ;p`
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`08:38.45`	`Wobin`	`cladhaire: so crazy arrow is in tomtom now?`
`08:38.53`	`cladhaire`	`in trunk`
`08:38.54`	`cladhaire`	`:P`
`08:39.01`	`Wobin`	`I wanna switch over`
`08:39.06`	`cladhaire`	`use at your own risk`
`08:39.07`	`Wobin`	`actually I want to standalone waypoints`
`08:39.12`	`cladhaire`	`gimme a few days`
`08:39.18`	`Wobin`	`mostly for creative control =P`
`08:39.18`	`cladhaire`	`or feel free to contribute`
`08:39.22`	`cladhaire`	`it just needs some rounding out.`
`08:39.22`	`Wobin`	`oh woot`
`08:39.29`	`Wobin`	`can I add in corpse points? =)`
`08:40.02`	`Wobin`	`Cause I'm sick of Cartographer forgetting my settings`
`08:40.07`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`08:40.11`	`cladhaire`	`sure, i'd be fine with that`
`08:40.15`	`Wobin`	`\o/`
`08:40.28`	`Wobin`	`PS, where's your repo?`
`08:41.00`	`cladhaire`	`that's at gcode`
`08:41.14`	`cladhaire`	`i think`
`08:41.14`	`cladhaire`	`O.o`
`08:41.26`	`cladhaire`	`yep still is`
`08:41.30`	`Wobin`	`addy?`
`08:41.36`	`cladhaire`	`http://code.google.com/p/wow-tomtom/`
`08:41.39`	`Wobin`	`ta`
`08:41.48`	`cladhaire`	`pm me your info`
`08:42.13`	`cladhaire`	`your non-work gmail, i assume?`
`08:42.21`	`Wobin`	`aye`
`08:42.32`	`cladhaire`	`added`
`08:42.41`	`Wobin`	`brilliant, thankee`
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`08:43.10`	`Xinhuan`	`wobin, you should rewrite _waypoints ;p`
`08:43.19`	`Wobin`	`Xinhuan: Probably`
`08:43.26`	`Wobin`	`As I said, I want to standalone it`
`08:43.30`	`Wobin`	`but I need more time`
`08:43.45`	`Xinhuan`	`i didn't backport my changes to _waypoints to the ace2 version though`
`08:44.21`	`cladhaire`	`just embrace the tomtom :P`
`08:44.32`	`Xinhuan`	`soon ;p`
`08:44.44`	`cladhaire`	`i should switch back to trunk tomtom`
`08:44.46`	`cladhaire`	`it'll motivate me`
`08:44.46`	`cladhaire`	`:p`
`08:44.56`	`Wobin`	`by it's lack of features? =)`
`08:45.26`	`nevcairiel`	`by its broke-ness?`
`08:45.34`	`nevcairiel`	`*broken-ness`
`08:45.35`	`cladhaire`	`indeed`
`08:45.36`	`cladhaire`	`:P`
`08:45.40`	`Wobin`	`we need a general point format`
`08:45.49`	`Wobin`	`that can be used by any sort of similar addon`
`08:46.17`	`cladhaire`	`whatdya mean?`
`08:46.22`	`ramoz`	`lol`
`08:46.29`	`ramoz`	`Tekkub: wtf is PenisAttachtment?`
`08:46.42`	`Tekkub`	`read descriptien`
`08:47.05`	`Wobin`	`I mean, addons like Cart/Routes/Gather etc, all store points of locality on the map`
`08:47.12`	`Wobin`	`they just use their own format`
`08:47.25`	`Wobin`	`(and Tomtom)`
`08:47.51`	`cladhaire`	`well what "format" do you mean?`
`08:48.05`	`cladhaire`	`cause i use astrolabe format, which is the same as gatherer,questhelper and any others that use astolabe :P`
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`08:48.23`	`Wobin`	`well one that everyone will use =)`
`08:48.47`	`cladhaire`	`but what _format_ are you referring to?`
`08:48.50`	`cladhaire`	`the c,z,x,y?`
`08:49.41`	`Wobin`	`I guess, in the manner that you could pull a point db from any addon, plunk it in another, and it'd be able to read the points, place them, not necessarily -use- the extra information about them, but certainly incorporate them into it's own system`
`08:50.05`	`cladhaire`	`oh well, i don't really store any data at the moment`
`08:50.05`	`Wobin`	`You'd have a basic point object`
`08:50.11`	`cladhaire`	`that was just a hack to appease the masses :P`
`08:50.11`	`Wobin`	`with metadata for the extra stuff`
`08:50.41`	`Wobin`	`brb, getting food`
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`08:58.15`	`Wobin`	`oh man`
`08:58.23`	`Wobin`	`Chicken karage bento box`
`08:58.30`	`Wobin`	`best take away place ever`
`08:58.39`	`Ellipsis`	`WANT`
`08:59.18`	`Wobin`	`and it's like 2min from my front door`
`08:59.32`	`Wobin`	`I hope they have a frequent buyers card`
`08:59.44`	`Ellipsis`	`MIEN`
`09:00.33`	`Wobin`	`this reminds me of when I was in uni in china`
`09:00.41`	`Wobin`	`except that place -delivered-`
`09:01.42`	`Ellipsis`	`zomg, epic xkcd today`
`09:02.16`	`Wobin`	`inorite? =)`
`09:03.23`	`Orionshock`	`is there a wiki article or addon that shows how to do comms systems over chat channels?`
`09:03.40`	`cladhaire`	`yes, "don't do it"`
`09:03.40`	`cladhaire`	`:P`
`09:03.57`	`Orionshock`	`clad but i want to :D`
`09:05.09`	`nevcairiel`	`whats there to know? just think off a protocol, efficient if possible, and implement that`
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`09:06.02`	`Orionshock`	`i got that nevcairiel , but the whole hide from chat frames and events to look at n' such, i can reverse engineer that off of the api and events articles on wowwiki but don't really want to.`
`09:06.22`	`nevcairiel`	`only event you need is CHAT_MSG_ADDON`
`09:06.38`	`Orionshock`	`....`
`09:06.40`	`cladhaire`	`he's saying chat channels`
`09:06.44`	`cladhaire`	`not SCM`
`09:06.48`	`cladhaire`	`which is why i toldh im "dont' do that ": P`
`09:06.53`	`nevcairiel`	`oh yeah`
`09:06.56`	`cladhaire`	`okay`
`09:06.56`	`nevcairiel`	`i agree with cladhaire then`
`09:06.59`	`nevcairiel`	`dont ever do that`
`09:07.00`	`cladhaire`	`more toys commited to PerfectRaid`
`09:07.03`	`cladhaire`	`done for now`
`09:07.08`	`cladhaire`	`off to parse lightheaded.`
`09:07.53`	`Orionshock`	`i got the addon message one working... just need a chat message one`
`09:08.07`	`Ellipsis`	`why?`
`09:08.22`	`Ellipsis`	`addon messages are for addons. chat messages are for chat.`
`09:08.29`	`Orionshock`	`1) i wana try, 2) completeness, 3) someone will eventualy ask`
`09:08.40`	`cladhaire`	`or you are making assumptions`
`09:08.47`	`ramoz`	`cladhaire: whats your URL on googlecode?`
`09:08.53`	`Aeyan`	`<3 GLaDOS`
`09:08.56`	`nevcairiel`	`3) is a stupid reason, tell them "my addon, my rules, no dice" then :P`
`09:08.59`	`cladhaire`	`url for what?`
`09:08.59`	`Orionshock`	`ok , scratch 3 but 1 & 2 are still valid`
`09:09.00`	`Ellipsis`	`Orionshock: wait until someone asked, imo`
`09:09.18`	`Ellipsis`	`there's no completeness in using a pointless hack`
`09:09.21`	`cladhaire`	`honestly`
`09:09.28`	`cladhaire`	`its bad, and it shoudl only be used when ABSOLUTELY necessary`
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`09:09.33`	`Ellipsis`	`and "I want to" isn't a good reason to write code, unless you're not planning to distribute it?`
`09:09.36`	`cladhaire`	`we're not just hating on it`
`09:10.36`	`nevcairiel`	`chat has so many limitations, you get spam filters, rate limitng, drunken-ess`
`09:10.39`	`nevcairiel`	`all that shit`
`09:11.08`	`Orionshock`	`well i figured that, and really i just need it for a distro list.`
`09:11.31`	`Orionshock`	`i can implement everything else over whispers`
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`09:26.21`	`xunami`	`msg nogudnik`
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`09:32.36`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`g'morning all`
`09:36.27`	`Gngsk`	`shower cap of doom`
`09:37.18`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`nothanks, I'm driving`
`09:37.29`	`Gngsk`	`aka [helm of the claw]`
`09:37.48`	`Gngsk`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?screenshot=view&3.28182#24618`
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`09:38.22`	`Gngsk`	`whoever designed that has a sick sense of humor`
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`09:39.23`	`Gngsk`	`http://www.andreaharner.com/archives/bowlcutcat.jpg`
`09:39.26`	`Gngsk`	`cat looks pissed`
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`09:40.47`	`Snago`	`I vendored that q-reward as soon as I saw how it looked. Wearing a green shower cap for huhuran, ok.. But no way I'm wearing one in public :P`
`09:41.11`	`Gngsk`	`well put`
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`09:44.37`	`CIA-48`	`03whitetooth * r59376 10StatLogicLib/StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua:`
`09:44.37`	`CIA-48`	`StatLogicLib:`
`09:44.37`	`CIA-48`	`- Updated deDE local from Maischter`
`09:45.23`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`Snago: you DO realize you can hide you rhelmet? :p`
`09:47.31`	`Snago`	`They still see it if they inspect`
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`09:47.57`	`Snago`	`Just because it's not on my model doesn't mean it isn't ugly :P`
`09:49.34`	`Fisker-`	`Anyone know a text editor like notepad++ that doesn't suck?`
`09:49.56`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`err...tried WinSyntax? it's VERY basic, but I find it fitting my needs`
`09:49.58`	`potemkin`	`ultraedit`
`09:50.07`	`nevcairiel`	`What sucks about np++?`
`09:50.08`	`SleepyKivin`	`I hate uedit but <3 npp`
`09:50.24`	`Fisker-`	`nevcairiel the fact it can't open files like over 200MB`
`09:50.26`	`Ellipsis`	`notepad++ sucks like Fisker-'s mom`
`09:50.26`	`Fisker-`	`fucking fail`
`09:50.31`	`Fisker-`	`even notepad can do that`
`09:50.42`	`Fisker-`	`just takes fucking ages`
`09:50.53`	`nevcairiel`	`when do you have textfiles over 200mb?`
`09:50.57`	`Bruners`	`tried notepad2 ?`
`09:50.59`	`Ellipsis`	`....`
`09:51.00`	`Fisker-`	`Now.`
`09:51.06`	`Fisker-`	`WoWCombatLog.txt`
`09:51.07`	`SleepyKivin`	`the syntax highlighting and auto indenting has always been absolutely fucked on ultraedit for me`
`09:51.19`	`thul`	`use vim`
`09:51.20`	`thul`	`ffs`
`09:51.21`	`Bruners`	`or you could just use wim`
`09:51.22`	`thul`	`how hard can it be`
`09:51.23`	`thul`	`:-P`
`09:51.44`	`nevcairiel`	`Fisker-: l2move them at least once a week or so =P`
`09:52.06`	`Fisker-`	`that wasn't my problem`
`09:52.44`	`Ellipsis`	`I'd be happy if notepad++ would just understand lua syntax properly`
`09:52.52`	`SleepyKivin`	`It does?`
`09:53.30`	`nevcairiel`	`i modified my notepad++ to recognize "local function bla(bla)" in its functionlist plugin, other then that, no issue`
`09:53.41`	`thul`	`vim vim vim vim vim`
`09:53.53`	`Ellipsis`	`nevcairiel: how did you get that working?`
`09:53.57`	`Ellipsis`	`I tried but eventually gave up`
`09:54.34`	`nevcairiel`	`i just added a new syntax entry .. copied the original function thing over, and added local in front of it :D`
`09:54.49`	`Ellipsis`	`murr`
`09:54.52`	`Ellipsis`	`why do I fail :(`
`09:55.03`	`thul`	`beacause you are a girl?`
`09:55.14`	`Kivin`	`snicker`
`09:55.22`	`nevcairiel`	`i wanted to say that, but i didnt want to be mean`
`09:55.32`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`fnuc`
`09:55.45`	`Xinhuan`	`[1/25 17:53:24] <nevcairiel> i modified my notepad++ to recognize "local function bla(bla)" in its functionlist plugin, other then that, no issue`
`09:55.47`	`thul`	`morning Pkekyo\|wrk`
`09:55.48`	`Xinhuan`	`you mean it doesn't?`
`09:55.59`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`hai thul`
`09:56.24`	`nevcairiel`	`Xinhuan: vanilla functionlist plugin didnt pickup local functions for me (in that form of definition)`
`09:56.35`	`Xinhuan`	`what did you change`
`09:56.45`	`Xinhuan`	`and what version of notepad++`
`09:57.09`	`thul`	`http://cainadamsson.deviantart.com/art/Waiting-75520648 <- new imagery`
`09:58.51`	`nevcairiel`	`npp 4.7.5 and functionlist 2.0 Alpha, i didnt manage to adjust the original regex to recognize local and non-local, so i created a new pattern, copied old syntax, and added "local"`
`09:59.20`	`thul`	`I'm getting a new guild :-D`
`09:59.30`	`nevcairiel`	`the "old" functionlist thing didnt have a nice GUI to add new patterns, so i used 2.0 :D`
`09:59.40`	`thul`	`Ellipsis: did I hurt your feelings? :-P`
`09:59.51`	`Ellipsis`	`thul: nah`
`09:59.58`	`Silowyi`	`sooo`
`10:00.01`	`Ellipsis`	`if you'd hurt my feelings you'd be on the floor crying now :P`
`10:00.05`	`Silowyi`	`group opinion`
`10:00.09`	`Silowyi`	`of random people`
`10:00.16`	`thul`	`hahaha`
`10:00.19`	`Silowyi`	`I quit guild 1 because of several reasons`
`10:00.22`	`Silowyi`	`and joined guild 2`
`10:00.29`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`gz on new guild thul...I'm becoming a semi-CL of my own guild it seems :/`
`10:00.33`	`thul`	`I never cry, other than if my gf barks too much at me or I watch cartoons that end sad :-(`
`10:00.37`	`Silowyi`	`guild 1 mostly wants me back, but there are some people that are upset I left`
`10:00.44`	`Silowyi`	`guild 2 doesn't want me to leave`
`10:00.45`	`Silowyi`	`however`
`10:00.53`	`thul`	`Pkekyo\|wrk: thanks! semi-classleader? ISn't that fun? :-D you get to yell at peoples.`
`10:00.55`	`Ellipsis`	`thul: every guy cries after a well-aimed kick :P`
`10:01.14`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`thul: nah, not that...I've gotten the responsibility to teach my retard guildies how to play a warrior :p`
`10:01.30`	`Silowyi`	`leaving guild 1 was really a mistsake and most of the reasons I left for, were mostly me not knowing what was really happening.`
`10:01.33`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`written 4 forum posts of 5500 characters each about the subject since midnight`
`10:01.43`	`neenee`	`Or at least folds like a Hallmark card on Christmas.`
`10:01.56`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`Ellipsis: wrong`
`10:01.57`	`Silowyi`	`so do I go back to guild 1? Or stay with guild 2?`
`10:01.58`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`neenee: right`
`10:02.16`	`Ellipsis`	`Pkekyo\|: o rly?`
`10:02.18`	`thul`	`Ellipsis: ah, that is where my thai/krav maga training comes in, you'll be breaking your leg, I'll be laughing :-P`
`10:02.21`	`Ellipsis`	`come here and I'll prove it :P`
`10:02.23`	`Silowyi`	`so in summary`
`10:02.26`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`Silowyi: chose the one guild that you enjoy playing the most with`
`10:02.36`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`Ellipsis: come here and I'll disprove it (spelling?)`
`10:03.02`	`Silowyi`	`Pkekyo: hard to say, raid times for guild 1 suck ass, but the people are in general more fun, and I'm more comfortable with them.`
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`10:03.12`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`Silowyi: forget about everyone else, chose the one YOU enjoy playing with`
`10:03.14`	`thul`	`Ellipsis: when i work the door and we have 18 year limit, I often wear a thai cup (cast iron/steel cup.)`
`10:03.20`	`thul`	`neenee:P`
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`10:03.27`	`thul`	`this one girl broke her shin on my cup :-D`
`10:03.29`	`thul`	`most fun ever.`
`10:03.35`	`Silowyi`	`Pkekyo: everyone says that, but if I raided just for me, I'd be in a different guild on a different server:P`
`10:03.39`	`Ellipsis`	`thul: well obviously that won't be allowed`
`10:03.43`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`cast iron? doesn't it hurt ifyou get that thing mashed into your bollocks?`
`10:03.51`	`neenee`	`I bet you stand there with your family jewels pointed at everyone then :P`
`10:04.05`	`Fisker-`	`can you delete whole lines using vi btw?`
`10:04.07`	`Fisker-`	`or vim`
`10:04.14`	`SunTsu`	`Fisker-: sure. dd`
`10:04.17`	`Silowyi`	`Fisker- dd in escape mode`
`10:04.22`	`Ellipsis`	`who would ever want to delete lines in a text editor?`
`10:04.23`	`thul`	`Pkekyo\|wrk: i won't get, t mashes into my tighs`
`10:04.25`	`thul`	`that is the good part:P`
`10:04.28`	`Ellipsis`	`crazy talk`
`10:04.30`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`Silowyi: you have no obligation to help anyone else. if you enjoy playing with someone, and thus wants to help them progress, fine, you're right`
`10:04.31`	`SunTsu`	`Fisker-: Or: g/regexp/d`
`10:04.34`	`neenee`	`Ow! My thighs!`
`10:04.43`	`SunTsu`	`Fisker-: :g, that is`
`10:05.09`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`I'd take a hit to the thighs any day if it would save my bollocks`
`10:05.11`	`neenee`	`A cup is more a 'less pain than if it wasn't there' route.`
`10:05.12`	`Ellipsis`	`thul: so you would say that you actually enjoy being kicked?`
`10:05.13`	`cladhaire`	`durcyn: was that report from you?`
`10:05.15`	`Silowyi`	`Pkekyo: Yeah... But I have a good oportunity to help either guild progress. I'm a tank, apparently by all reports, one of the best feral tanks on my server.`
`10:05.31`	`Fisker-`	`thanks`
`10:05.33`	`Kivin`	`nevcairiel: http://ace.pastey.net/81249 <- how did you change this?`
`10:05.42`	`neenee`	`It's like diverting part of the damage to your demon, if you're a warlock :)`
`10:05.47`	`thul`	`Ellipsis: well, I go to a class where i get kicked like 2-3-4 times pr week :-P`
`10:05.54`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`Silowyi: at the end of the day, you have to do what you enjoy`
`10:06.15`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`"wearing a cup is like speccing SL" rofl :p`
`10:06.25`	`nevcairiel`	`Kivin: just copy the first regex line and add local in front of it .. altho i used the GUI in the 2.0 functionlist plugin =P`
`10:06.31`	`neenee`	`Where do we sign up for the kicking :P :)`
`10:06.35`	`Kivin`	`nevcairiel: thanks`
`10:06.47`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`neenee: in hell`
`10:07.01`	`neenee`	`:\|`
`10:07.05`	`neenee`	`You live in Hell?`
`10:07.34`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`yes`
`10:07.36`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`yes I do`
`10:08.39`	`Kivin`	`the functionlist plugin doesn't work at all for me o_O`
`10:09.10`	`thul`	`hell is like 150km north of where i come from`
`10:10.32`	`Fisker-`	`hmm`
`10:10.39`	`Fisker-`	`doesn't grep do , and .? :o`
`10:10.53`	`Fisker-`	`trying to grep something with "." in but it also takes results with ,`
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`10:14.59`	`Fisker-`	`also anyone got a regex for wow's date format in the combat log?`
`10:15.00`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`well, I don't live i hell...just tried to lure you to go there, neenee :p`
`10:15.08`	`Fisker-`	`i.e 1/24 08:39:40.391 something something dark side`
`10:15.29`	`Fisker-`	`(please don't make fun of my lacking regex skills :()`
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`10:17.39`	`Orionshock_`	`when a frame get's an event, does that event handler get all args that come with that event, or do i have to look them up globaly?`
`10:17.53`	`nevcairiel`	`the handler gets all args`
`10:17.59`	`Orionshock_`	`k`
`10:18.46`	`Fisker-`	`it doesn't appear you are able to stop me`
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`10:20.11`	`ckknight`	`Fisker-: seduce, not secude`
`10:20.31`	`Ellipsis`	`ckknight would know, he's a pro`
`10:20.42`	`ckknight`	`I did it for the lulz`
`10:22.18`	`Fisker-`	`wtf`
`10:22.31`	`Fisker-`	`it's because i'm so tired :(`
`10:24.08`	`Quezacolt_`	`I don't want to interrupt you guys (funny XD) but just out of curiosity, is there an estimated release date on Ace3?`
`10:26.20`	`wereHamster`	`I can't remember any of the addons in the wowace repo having a release schedule..`
`10:26.36`	`Quezacolt_`	`Good point.`
`10:26.55`	`Silowyi`	`steal a page from blizz: "When it's ready"`
`10:27.19`	`nevcairiel`	`We can hopefully get to a public beta soon?`
`10:27.22`	`nevcairiel`	`-?`
`10:27.32`	`ckknight`	`Ellipsis: how could you?`
`10:27.34`	`ckknight`	`I trusted you`
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`10:28.15`	`Wobin`	`hehe http://data.tumblr.com/K2YaURvrP40k0zvnEFPLS1bp_500.jpg`
`10:31.37`	`Lukian`	`:o`
`10:34.52`	`Orionshock_`	`....`
`10:35.17`	`Orionshock_`	`gg love blizzard, here lets associate some random lua variable with something in C code`
`10:35.20`	`Orionshock_`	`-.-`
`10:35.34`	`cladhaire`	`?`
`10:35.42`	`cladhaire`	`Orionshock_: what are you talking about?`
`10:35.58`	`Orionshock_`	`GetChannelRosterInfo() takes an ID and a index`
`10:36.23`	`Orionshock_`	`the id is the "button id" on the chat tab of the social window`
`10:38.35`	`neenee`	`Hm. There's just no good mplayer for Vista, as Aero and mplayer don't work well together :\|`
`10:38.38`	`neenee`	`VLC it is then`
`10:38.59`	`cladhaire`	`durcyn: PING`
`10:41.59`	`neenee`	`They're doing their part.. Are you? Join the Mobile Infantry!`
`10:42.17`	`neenee`	`Would you like to know more?`
`10:42.43`	`CIA-48`	`03hegarol * r59377 10AtlasLoot/ (5 files in 3 dirs):`
`10:42.43`	`CIA-48`	`AtlasLoot:`
`10:42.43`	`CIA-48`	`- Started Babble integration into loottable files`
`10:43.12`	`Fisker-`	`btw nevcairiel`
`10:43.15`	`Fisker-`	`if notepad++ is so cool`
`10:43.21`	`Fisker-`	`can it check for duplicate lines and delete them?`
`10:44.27`	`Ellipsis`	`you can do that with a regex`
`10:45.15`	`Fisker-`	`teach me oh u`
`10:45.55`	`Ellipsis`	`no u`
`10:46.51`	`ckknight`	`no me`
`10:46.54`	`Fisker-`	`NO U`
`10:47.07`	`ckknight`	`oh u`
`10:47.10`	`Fisker-`	`yes me`
`10:48.03`	`Fisker-`	`SHOW ME`
`10:52.20`	`Orionshock_`	`why does select(2, ...) also return all the vars after 2?`
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`10:52.31`	`Kivin`	`working as intended`
`10:52.48`	`Kivin`	`do < local value = select(2, ...) > to ignore the rest`
`10:52.58`	`Orionshock_`	`any way to JUST get var2 with out doing that?`
`10:53.01`	`Xinhuan`	`because it does, Orionshock_`
`10:53.07`	`Xinhuan`	`yes, you do`
`10:53.15`	`Xinhuan`	`local _, b = select(2, ...)`
`10:53.18`	`Kivin`	`it's intended for use like: local arg1,arg2,arg3 = select(1, ...)`
`10:53.21`	`Xinhuan`	`and it trims return values to 2`
`10:53.27`	`Xinhuan`	`local b = select(2, ...)`
`10:53.29`	`Xinhuan`	`i mean`
`10:53.33`	`Orionshock_`	`...`
`10:53.51`	`Orionshock_`	`trying to make a multi tiered function call....`
`10:53.52`	`Xinhuan`	`it returns all values from 2 onwards, so you must trim it down using a local or by surrounding the select() call with a ()`
`10:53.53`	`Orionshock_`	`-.-`
`10:53.58`	`Xinhuan`	`(select(2, ...))`
`10:53.59`	`Xinhuan`	`will do it`
`10:57.19`	`Industrial`	`eh, is ... handled as a table?`
`10:57.25`	`Kivin`	`no`
`10:57.29`	`Industrial`	`don't you need to do {...} ?`
`10:57.32`	`Kivin`	`it's a pointer to the stack`
`10:57.40`	`Fisker-`	`YOU CANNOT RESIST nevcairiel`
`10:57.59`	`Industrial`	`miss miss miss dodge`
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`11:02.48`	`Orionshock_`	`woot i did it`
`11:03.52`	`Orionshock_`	`how to use a chat channel to send the least amount of data...`
`11:03.53`	`Orionshock_`	`SendChatMessage("-Some Ugly AceSerialString-","CHANNEL", nil , (select(1, GetChannelName(channelName))) );`
`11:04.14`	`*** join/#wowace Worf (n=worf@84.119.63.24)`
`11:05.06`	`Orionshock_`	`only had to add 4 functions and no hooks :D`
`11:05.11`	`Nargiddley`	`what is the point of that select ?`
`11:05.11`	`Kivin`	`Does Ace3 have table recycling?`
`11:05.19`	`nevcairiel`	`no`
`11:05.23`	`Kivin`	`kk ty`
`11:05.44`	`Orionshock_`	`so i don't have to track other addons moving chat channels arround`
`11:05.58`	`Nargiddley`	`i mean, its basicly a noop`
`11:06.10`	`nevcairiel`	`You should be adviced to not use a generic table recycling anyway, most of the time its easier on the cpu and memory to just throw away the table and use a new one`
`11:06.29`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`8 crit rating vs. 8 agi?`
`11:06.33`	`Xinhuan`	`what's the point of doing a select(1, ?)`
`11:06.33`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`(warrior)`
`11:06.38`	`Kivin`	`Pkekyo\|wrk: crit rating`
`11:06.38`	`Nargiddley`	`(GetChannelName(channelName)) would be exacly the same thing`
`11:06.39`	`Xinhuan`	`you can just get the first return value dirrectly`
`11:06.46`	`Kivin`	`nevcairiel: I'm creating a new table for every chat message that hits the console`
`11:06.49`	`Xinhuan`	`by surrounding the function with a ()`
`11:07.00`	`Orionshock_`	`that's why i ask here.. some one is bound to correct me`
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`11:08.41`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`noone know wether 8 crit rating or 8 agi is more benefitial?`
`11:08.45`	`Kivin`	`crit rating`
`11:09.05`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`cheers`
`11:09.10`	`Kivin`	`let me validate that, just a sec`
`11:09.36`	`Worf`	`i think it depends on the level of your stats`
`11:10.02`	`Worf`	`basically it's "if your crit is low compared to your ap, then crit is better"`
`11:10.06`	`Kivin`	`Pkekyo\|: 33 agi = 1.000% crit. 22.08 critrating = 1.000% crit`
`11:10.39`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`Worf: I'm not a rogue`
`11:10.52`	`Worf`	`and no hunter either? :)`
`11:10.58`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`no`
`11:11.02`	`Worf`	`ok :)`
`11:11.14`	`Kivin`	`1 crit better than 1 agi for a hunter 100% of the time`
`11:11.21`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`<--- warrior`
`11:11.22`	`Kivin`	`1 crit is worse than 1 agi for a rogue 100% of the time`
`11:11.31`	`Kivin`	`Pkekyo\|: the numbers i stated before are for a warrior`
`11:11.32`	`thul`	`http://www.kjendis.no/2008/01/22/524607.html?i=1`
`11:12.24`	`Worf`	`Kivin: hmm... eaven for a hunter with exeptionally bad equipment? :_)`
`11:12.40`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`lmfao thul`
`11:12.58`	`thul`	`yeah :-D`
`11:13.08`	`Kivin`	`Worf: I've seen it on both Elitistjerks and another forum, so I'm inclined to say "Yes"`
`11:13.33`	`Worf`	`Kivin: ok ... :)`
`11:13.36`	`Kivin`	`Worf: If you're deep into survival, I'd debate that agi or ap might be better since you get a nice multiplier, but otherwise, crit rating in all yellows`
`11:14.05`	`Kivin`	`Since I'm a cheap prick, I put 6 AGI in reds and crit in yellows`
`11:14.16`	`Kivin`	`And I've got the crit meta (my hunter)`
`11:14.22`	`Worf`	`8 agi you mean ... :)`
`11:14.28`	`Kivin`	`no, 6`
`11:14.35`	`Kivin`	`I boycot rare-quals`
`11:14.53`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`ohlols`
`11:15.02`	`Worf`	`oh? do tell... how so?`
`11:15.43`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`he did tell...he's a cheap prick!`
`11:15.44`	`Kivin`	`well, +6 agi = 1.2g. +8 agi = 80g`
`11:16.01`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`Kivin: your server economy is utterly fucked`
`11:16.04`	`Kivin`	`I refuse to pay sixty-six times more money for 2 agility, and I tell everyone else not to either`
`11:16.07`	`Kivin`	`Pkekyo\|: it is`
`11:16.21`	`Kivin`	`gathering stuff goes nothing but down and consumer products go up up up`
`11:16.44`	`Kivin`	`felweed down to 4g66 silver =/`
`11:16.55`	`Worf`	`ok - i do different: i don't buy or sell stones at all. but i use what i have.`
`11:17.24`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`Kivin: time to pick up a new profession :)`
`11:17.35`	`Kivin`	`even if i had the gems, I'd ask a friend to cut em, then sell, rather than socket em`
`11:17.36`	`Fisker-`	`ÅRH YEAH DU SKYLDER MIG 1000 KR Pkekyo\|`
`11:17.38`	`Fisker-`	`dkk self`
`11:17.56`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`Fisker-: duck my sick`
`11:17.58`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`-afk`
`11:18.20`	`Worf`	`and every now and then i give a view stacks of ore to a guildmate and he usually finds enough rare stones in there for me and all my alt chars`
`11:18.41`	`Kivin`	`my stance remains the same. i'd rather have 80g than +2 agi`
`11:18.55`	`Worf`	`as i said: i don't sell stones`
`11:19.04`	`thul`	`hvem vil ha 1000 danske kroner?`
`11:19.05`	`thul`	`HAH�`
`11:19.23`	`thul`	`danske tullekroner:P`
`11:19.29`	`Worf`	`i mostly boycot the auction hause :)`
`11:19.37`	`Fisker-`	`i'm gonna duck your sick`
`11:19.48`	`Industrial`	`Pkekyo\|wrk: thats a guild on my realm`
`11:20.26`	`Kivin`	`I saw <Blak Pppl Doin Blak Stuf> in AB a few days ago =\`
`11:20.30`	`Kivin`	`Ppl*`
`11:20.55`	`Industrial`	`:o`
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`11:25.41`	`nevcairiel`	`(12:16:17) (Kivin) gathering stuff goes nothing but down and consumer products go up up up <-- gems are gathering too, you know .. get mining and get a shitload of adamantite .. and prospect :P`
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`11:35.16`	`CIA-48`	`03jncl * r59378 10Skinner/ (7 files in 2 dirs):`
`11:35.16`	`CIA-48`	`Skinner: BugFix Guild Control Panel,`
`11:35.16`	`CIA-48`	`- Moved text down on casting bar`
`11:35.16`	`CIA-48`	`- Skinned the SmartBuff KeyButton`
`11:35.16`	`CIA-48`	`- Updated Button skinning code effecting Buffalo2, DebuffFilter & SmartBuff skins`
`11:35.17`	`CIA-48`	`- More work to fix highlighting on Quest and Gossip frames`
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`11:44.01`	`Orionshock_`	`meh 5 functions and no hooks, and i have chat channel comms... pritty good imo. and 95% of all of it is done over addon whispers.`
`11:44.42`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`12:19IndustrialPkekyo\|wrk: thats a guild on my realm <---- they heard it with me first`
`11:44.52`	`thul`	`why is azereus using _heaps_ of cpu AND mem?`
`11:45.02`	`Orionshock_`	`thul: java`
`11:45.03`	`nevcairiel`	`because its java`
`11:45.06`	`thul`	`still`
`11:45.06`	`thul`	`ffs`
`11:45.16`	`thul`	`i want a lightweight bt-client :-(`
`11:45.18`	`Kivin`	`~fail Java`
`11:45.18`	`purl`	`Java: Fail.`
`11:45.20`	`nevcairiel`	`use �torrent`
`11:45.28`	`thul`	`does they have a mac client?`
`11:45.47`	`Fisker-`	`java is fail`
`11:45.51`	`Orionshock_`	`i use azereus when im at work and don't have to use my comptuer,`
`11:45.52`	`nevcairiel`	`oh mac`
`11:45.59`	`Orionshock_`	`b/c that client is the best i've found`
`11:48.05`	`neenee`	`I still use uttorrent.`
`11:48.09`	`Industrial`	`utorrent here`
`11:53.07`	`Kivin`	`I use uTorrent, but even that uses too much CPU time for some tasks. If I'm playing wow, it's okay. But if I'm in BF2142, for example, I lose 90% of my framerate.`
`11:53.40`	`Matrix110`	`thats bullshit`
`11:53.52`	`Matrix110`	`utorrent never uses more than 2% CPU`
`11:53.56`	`Matrix110`	`only when hashing`
`11:54.11`	`Kivin`	`Shrug Not my place to question it. I just know It's gotta get shut off if I play 2142`
`11:54.20`	`Kivin`	`Or everything gets all jittery and weird`
`11:54.25`	`Matrix110`	`might be some conflict there`
`11:54.31`	`Kivin`	`quite probably`
`11:54.44`	`Matrix110`	`its battlefield after all...`
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`11:54.51`	`Kivin`	`moreso, it's EA Games`
`11:54.56`	`Kivin`	`~fail EA`
`11:54.57`	`purl`	`EA: Fail.`
`11:55.09`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`thul: ping`
`11:55.18`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`~seen thul`
`11:55.20`	`purl`	`thul is currently on #wowace (1d 2h 20m 39s). Has said a total of 194 messages. Is idling for 9m 52s, last said: 'does they have a mac client?'.`
`11:55.30`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`THUL! NUB! HLEP :p`
`11:55.43`	`harldephin`	`can i disable those minimap tracking icons with cartographer_herbalism somehow?`
`11:55.53`	`thul`	`w000t Pkekyo\|wrk ? :-P`
`11:55.58`	`thul`	`I'm here to help you`
`11:56.01`	`thul`	`flying in with blue cape on`
`11:56.18`	`Industrial`	`ST, Super Thul`
`11:56.19`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`thul: a specific name for a two-round burst? (toskuddsbyge)`
`11:56.50`	`neenee`	`I tried Halite, according to some a good alternative to utorrent, or even 'the next utorrent', but it's far from good enough. You can't even hide columns, making it look very messy.`
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`11:58.29`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`thul: no idea? :<`
`11:58.36`	`thul`	`Pkekyo\|wrk: bracketing?`
`11:58.38`	`thul`	`oh`
`11:58.40`	`thul`	`not photography`
`11:58.46`	`thul`	`vi kaller det bare "dobbeltskudd"`
`11:58.53`	`thul`	`eller trippel: "to tette og en badehette"`
`11:59.59`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`thul: trenger et spesifikt navn på det....læreren min er straight outta fåsjen, og krever en oversettelse av det spesifikke navnet han ikke vil røpe`
`12:00.11`	`thul`	`ok, norsk eller engelsk?`
`12:00.19`	`neenee`	`Indeed, you're mixing`
`12:00.34`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`well, either one's good...preferably both :P`
`12:00.53`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`firing two-round bursts alledgedly has a specific name, which is what I need`
`12:01.16`	`thul`	`well, we just called it "dobbeltskudd" all the time i was in the army, but I'll check with a few guys, two sec`
`12:01.32`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`cheers`
`12:03.39`	`thul`	`Pkekyo\|wrk: try with "hallo" :-P`
`12:04.00`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`thul: it seems he's talking about some version of "two to the chest, one to the head", but without the tap to the head`
`12:04.05`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`hallo? wtf :p`
`12:04.13`	`thul`	`ah`
`12:04.16`	`thul`	`to tette og en bade hette`
`12:04.19`	`thul`	`in that case: "to tette"`
`12:04.27`	`thul`	`ouch, bad word seperation there :-P`
`12:04.29`	`thul`	`"badehette"`
`12:04.39`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`"to tette"? you sure?`
`12:04.58`	`thul`	`well, we used that for two to the chest, one to the head" (to tette, en badehette)`
`12:05.02`	`thul`	`so, hello, to tette or dobbeltskudd`
`12:05.04`	`thul`	`my suggestions.`
`12:05.07`	`Snago`	`wow, norweigian invasion :O`
`12:07.26`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`he was looking for "dobbeltskudd"`
`12:07.31`	`thul`	`ah, ok`
`12:07.32`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`it's so blatantly obvious, but meh..!`
`12:07.35`	`thul`	`so I wasn't too off? :-P`
`12:07.42`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`also, translation into english for it? :p`
`12:08.56`	`Fisker-`	`~fail`
`12:08.57`	`purl`	`ACTION gives fisker- the worst grade imaginable, an A minus... minus!`
`12:09.00`	`Fisker-`	`:<`
`12:09.16`	`thul`	`mohahahaha`
`12:09.17`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`no, thul, you were spot on...now I need to translate it into english`
`12:09.36`	`Elkano`	`die hat 'nen vorstehenden Kopf`
`12:09.41`	`Elkano`	`fc`
`12:10.03`	`thul`	`dumbkopf.`
`12:11.21`	`Industrial`	`Nou dan ga ik ook maar in m'n eigen taal staan lullen`
`12:11.33`	`Industrial`	`amirite`
`12:16.56`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`skjetpeis, klurpung`
`12:17.05`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`meh, I got reset by peer...poopshoots!`
`12:17.12`	`thul`	`oi`
`12:17.15`	`thul`	`i just had a revelation`
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`12:17.28`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`o'rly?`
`12:17.34`	`thul`	`yeah`
`12:17.38`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`do tell`
`12:17.46`	`thul`	`my brother got me a sweather with "I'm the parasite of this town" a few years back`
`12:17.57`	`thul`	`i never got it, i thought it was just a "you are a lazy bitch"-gift`
`12:17.58`	`thul`	`i know better`
`12:18.00`	`thul`	`but NOW`
`12:18.05`	`thul`	`it is a nick drake song :-P`
`12:18.18`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`ohlols`
`12:20.13`	`thul`	`http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/4628/16236617nu7.jpg <- ach, so cute`
`12:20.33`	`thul`	`I WANT SLOPPY FOCUS ON MY MAC ffs`
`12:20.40`	`Industrial`	`why`
`12:20.44`	`Industrial`	`USE THE KEYBOARD`
`12:20.46`	`Industrial`	`:p`
`12:20.47`	`thul`	`beacause i like sloppy focus`
`12:21.10`	`thul`	`and i keep closing this window (terminal) when i really want to close browser windows`
`12:21.18`	`thul`	`i want to use keyboard AND mouse, I'm multidimensional`
`12:21.53`	`Industrial`	`how do you close one instead of the other?`
`12:21.58`	`Industrial`	`alt tab alt f4?`
`12:22.32`	`Industrial`	`only think I'm missing is maximize control and caret control in most apps :P (cant click links in putty)`
`12:22.38`	`Industrial`	`-k`
`12:22.42`	`Industrial`	`+g`
`12:22.48`	`thul`	`dual screen setup, I seldom/never have the mouse on the small screen where i have irssi, vim etc.`
`12:22.57`	`thul`	`the mouse is over the browser on the other screen`
`12:22.58`	`thul`	`so i apple-w`
`12:23.13`	`thul`	`to close that browser window, since I'm used to sloppy focus and the mnouse IS there`
`12:23.16`	`thul`	`:-P`
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`12:28.29`	`Lukian`	`lol ony is buggy`
`12:28.39`	`Industrial`	`I wish to be entertained.`
`12:28.43`	`Industrial`	`Fisker-: do a loop.`
`12:33.13`	`daved`	`anyone know who the author of tablet-2.0 is?`
`12:33.21`	`Industrial`	`daved: check the .toc file`
`12:33.25`	`Industrial`	`but, ckknight.`
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`12:34.09`	`Industrial`	`hell tell you to use Rock`
`12:34.16`	`Industrial`	`:p knowing what people will ask/do is funny :p`
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`12:36.09`	`clad\|office`	`how terrifying!`
`12:36.27`	`JoshBorke`	`i also dreamt i looked a pr0n at work and and underling caught me`
`12:36.35`	`JoshBorke`	`it was not a good night`
`12:36.40`	`Industrial`	`lol`
`12:36.44`	`clad\|office`	`yikes`
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`12:38.49`	`JoshBorke`	`anybody have recommendations on a smart phone?`
`12:39.10`	`mitch0`	`phones are not smart`
`12:39.16`	`clad\|office`	`are you looknig at a crackberry`
`12:39.22`	`JoshBorke`	`no`
`12:39.23`	`clad\|office`	`or like a treo?`
`12:39.27`	`JoshBorke`	`like a treo`
`12:39.44`	`JoshBorke`	`connsidering a HTC Touch`
`12:40.21`	`CIA-48`	`03kagaro * r59379 10/branches/GatherMate_Data/GatherMateData.lua: GatherMate_Data: added support for bc only import data. DRYCODE`
`12:41.22`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`bwahahahah, we're building a wall of toilet paper in the classroom`
`12:41.30`	`daved`	`Industrial: im looking at rock and it looks interesting, but it does not seem to have a replacement for tablet :P`
`12:41.30`	`Fisker-`	`DONT DO IT JOSHBORKE OMG`
`12:42.04`	`Industrial`	`daved: well I didnt tell you to use it :> I think custom small things are better`
`12:42.23`	`Industrial`	`eg make a frame add text and do it yourself :D`
`12:42.41`	`Industrial`	`Fisker-: so how about that loop`
`12:43.38`	`mitch0`	`rfc4254`
`12:43.44`	`mitch0`	`EPASTE`
`12:43.53`	`Gorbulas`	`are there any addons that keep track of the scores at the end of battlegrounds(preferably takes a screenshot too)`
`12:44.03`	`clad\|office`	`sspvp2`
`12:44.22`	`Gorbulas`	`I just got out of an AV with at least 10 AFKers`
`12:44.58`	`Gorbulas`	`I want to build a list and post it on the forums >:)`
`12:45.46`	`Kivin`	`Kek. That's a good idea`
`12:46.23`	`Gorbulas`	`the other team notices the AFK people and puts seed of corruption on them`
`12:47.21`	`CIA-48`	`03kagaro * r59380 10/branches/GatherMate/ (Config.lua GatherMate.lua Locales/GatherMate-enUS.lua): GatherMate: Added bc only option for import from GatherMate_Data, and auto import settings. DRYCODE`
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`12:52.12`	`CIA-48`	`03rabbit * r59381 10LifePercent/LifePercent.lua: LifePercent: Cleanup.`
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`13:03.31`	`Pkekyo\|wrk`	`bwahahhaha, we built a huge wall of toilet paper around a guy in my class`
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`13:05.52`	`CIA-48`	`03tinderbox * r59382 10Gemologist/ (. Gemologist.lua Gemologist.toc Gemologist.xml Libs/):`
`13:05.52`	`CIA-48`	`Gemologist: initial commit`
`13:05.52`	`CIA-48`	`- BETA: Jewelcrafting assistant`
`13:07.36`	`Zhinjio`	`tinderbox: what does the JC assistant do?`
`13:07.57`	`Zhinjio`	`(I say as I auction 1500g worth of gems)`
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`13:13.14`	`Xinhuan`	`get GemHelper, i say`
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`13:16.54`	`CIA-48`	`03tinderbox * r59383 10Gemologist/:`
`13:16.54`	`CIA-48`	`Gemologist: added externals`
`13:16.54`	`CIA-48`	`- added external dependencies`
`13:17.23`	`tinderbox`	`Zhinjio: it helps people like you and me who keep multiple thousands of gems up on the ah`
`13:17.34`	`tinderbox`	`Zhinjio: scans your recipes, lets you check off which you like to sell`
`13:17.41`	`CIA-48`	`03workinghard * r59384 10RaidMobMarker/ (RaidMobMarker.lua localization_de.lua localization_en.lua):`
`13:17.41`	`CIA-48`	`RaidMobMarker:`
`13:17.41`	`CIA-48`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:17.41`	`CIA-48`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:17.41`	`CIA-48`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:18.02`	`tinderbox`	`will scan the AH and your current in-stock raws and listed gems and help you maintain (currently hardcoded to 3) of each profitable type up on the AH`
`13:18.19`	`tinderbox`	`prioritizes things which currently have no listings or things which have the highest lowest buyout`
`13:18.34`	`tinderbox`	`so basically i hit 3 macros to do all of my JC now`
`13:18.45`	`tinderbox`	`oh, it requires skillet`
`13:18.57`	`tinderbox`	`(sorry im still new to the mod thing, this has been a personal hack for a while)`
`13:19.20`	`tinderbox`	`it auto-queues the cuts necessary to replenish your stock into skillet, so you just mash a button to make all of the gems you need`
`13:19.58`	`tinderbox`	`still very very much a beta, so if you want to check it out, comments are certainly welcome :)`
`13:22.22`	`tinderbox`	`is there anything i have to do to get my addon to come up in files.wowace.com and in wowaceupdater, or is that just something that happens on a periodic basis?`
`13:22.32`	`Wobin`	`every 15 min or so`
`13:22.34`	`Wobin`	`or maybe 10`
`13:24.19`	`[SW]Dodge`	`afaik 20min`
`13:26.08`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah 20`
`13:26.10`	`nevcairiel`	`0,20,40`
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`13:35.55`	`CIA-48`	`03tinderbox * r59386 10Gemologist/Gemologist.toc:`
`13:35.55`	`CIA-48`	`Gemologist: TOC Updates`
`13:35.55`	`CIA-48`	`- updated TOC to reflect BETA status as well as proper WOW version`
`13:35.59`	`CIA-48`	`03shen * r59385 10PoliteWhisper/ (PoliteWhisper.lua PoliteWhisper.xml localization.lua): PoliteWhisper Extended: Fixed longstanding issue where overriding the spoken language wouldn't use translated class names in some cases.`
`13:36.49`	`ShenDK`	`tinderbox: yeah if you commit to dev.wowace.com in trunk`
`13:37.24`	`tinderbox`	`sorry for the commit spam, this is my first addon so im just trying to get it properly situated`
`13:38.35`	`tinderbox`	`it's pretty neat to see my mod in wowaceupdater though :P`
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`13:42.43`	`Roath`	`how come, even thou i complete removed my keybindings, the name of the first one "ROATHBDINDIG1" still appears ingame on the binding list?`
`13:44.00`	`ShenDK`	`must be something inside teh WTF folder`
`13:44.56`	`RaydenUni`	`thrall is in outland?`
`13:45.27`	`Roath`	`will try deleting it`
`13:45.49`	`kenlyric`	`RaydenUni: he takes a holiday there, yes.`
`13:45.53`	`kenlyric`	`not for long`
`13:45.59`	`RaydenUni`	`how does that work?`
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`13:46.09`	`kenlyric`	`you finish up the mammoth horde quest line in nagrand`
`13:46.20`	`RaydenUni`	`oh`
`13:46.21`	`kenlyric`	`(I still have some quests to do on that one)`
`13:46.31`	`RaydenUni`	`i forget if i finished that one`
`13:46.34`	`RaydenUni`	`i thought i did all those`
`13:47.04`	`kenlyric`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10044`
`13:48.14`	`kenlyric`	`I need to annihilate the forge camps.`
`13:48.28`	`RaydenUni`	`i still have a bunch to do in nagrand`
`13:48.32`	`RaydenUni`	`just think i did that quest`
`13:48.34`	`RaydenUni`	`i forget though`
`13:49.33`	`Roath`	`hmm, odd, even after i deleted the entire WTF folder and checked again, it is still there >.<`
`13:50.10`	`Roath`	`even searched all my code for that binding name, doesn't exist`
`13:50.13`	`kenlyric`	`bindings are probably stored in the bindings file`
`13:50.32`	`Roath`	`which is inside the WTF folder, which i deleted :P`
`13:50.33`	`Gorbulas`	`is there a mod that creates a unit frame for a target? would be useful for escort quests`
`13:50.42`	`kenlyric`	`oh, you deleted the whole wtf folder?`
`13:50.47`	`Roath`	`yes`
`13:50.53`	`kenlyric`	`Gorbulas: /focus`
`13:50.57`	`Josh_Borke`	`Gorbulas: you can have a target unit frame and a focus unit frame`
`13:51.46`	`RaydenUni`	`But by far to this day, the most entertaining was preBC having a full group, and through various means of crowd control, dragging a paladin from Chillwind Camp to the bottom of the lake around Scholo. Bastard pally put up a hell of a fight and it took us well over an hour to actually drown him, but eventually he jsut couldn't get away.`
`13:51.47`	`RaydenUni`	`lol`
`13:51.49`	`Gorbulas`	`but I hid the focus frame because I have a macro that sets it`
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`13:52.08`	`Ozguli`	`Gorbulas don't you use it for other stuff?`
`13:52.13`	`Josh_Borke`	`well unhide it then?`
`13:52.26`	`Gorbulas`	`no currently I only use it for a macro`
`13:52.27`	`Ozguli`	`might need it on the fly`
`13:52.43`	`Josh_Borke`	`you have 2 valid units that get events`
`13:52.46`	`Josh_Borke`	`target and focus`
`13:52.49`	`Ozguli`	`for keeping track of some npc or non-group member who I need to heal or stuff`
`13:53.02`	`Josh_Borke`	`so, if you want to keep track of an NPC, either target it or set it as your focus`
`13:53.08`	`Gorbulas`	`it was bothering me having the focus window visible with dead skeletons and whatever else`
`13:53.22`	`Roath`	`does blizz have a standard focus frame, or do they only highlight the targetframe if you are targeting your focus?`
`13:53.26`	`kenlyric`	`well, that's what focus is for.`
`13:53.58`	`kenlyric`	`typically most people want to see the focus frame while the subject is alive.`
`13:54.01`	`Ozguli`	`no, blizz frames suck`
`13:54.23`	`kenlyric`	`blizz still hasn't added a focus frame? nappy.`
`13:54.45`	`Gorbulas`	`most stuff blizzard codes is terrible`
`13:55.12`	`SunTsu`	`I think that's why I always encounter players who do not even know there's something like focus`
`13:55.25`	`Roath`	`any idea how to clear the damn keybinding? it just wont go away >.<`
`13:55.46`	`Ozguli`	`Roath delete your wtf folder :P`
`13:56.06`	`Roath`	`did, twice now`
`13:56.09`	`Roath`	`still there`
`13:56.10`	`Ozguli`	`lol`
`13:56.10`	`Roath`	`>.<`
`13:56.23`	`Roath`	`and i deleted the bindings file and any reference to it too`
`13:56.32`	`Roath`	`(the one that originally made the binding)`
`13:58.17`	`CIA-48`	`03shen * r59387 10PoliteWhisper/ (PoliteWhisper.lua localization.lua): PoliteWhisper Extended: Fixed typo in Italian translation and added translation of classes in group makeup.`
`13:59.49`	`kenlyric`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uz5cl131KTk`
`14:02.19`	`RaydenUni`	`We used to get a lot of kicks in the warlock channel back in MC on Gehennas, casting our own Rain of Fire among the raid and watching them scatter!`
`14:02.20`	`RaydenUni`	`oh man`
`14:02.22`	`RaydenUni`	`that's awesome`
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`14:06.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`people never fall for that anymore even though we do it all the time too when theres mobs doing rain of fire`
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`14:08.22`	`Darkis`	`Anyone here good on bugs in auctioneer?`
`14:08.34`	`Gorbulas`	`go to Karazhan with Elune Stones`
`14:08.45`	`Gorbulas`	`call your own spotlights near opera`
`14:13.57`	`RaydenUni`	`do the RoF's look different`
`14:13.58`	`RaydenUni`	`?`
`14:14.24`	`Gorbulas`	`people can see you casting rain of fire`
`14:15.16`	`Roath`	`ha! i fixed it`
`14:15.52`	`Roath`	`turn out that i somehow had a bindings file in another folder which wow read O.o`
`14:16.05`	`Gorbulas`	`cache?`
`14:16.35`	`Darkis`	`i take it as no one here is good on bugfixes for auctioneer =)`
`14:16.45`	`Roath`	`yup, cache, deleted it and it worked`
`14:18.25`	`neenee`	`Darkis: try #norganna`
`14:19.09`	`Darkis`	`neenee they never answer there =)`
`14:19.59`	`CIA-48`	`03peragor * r59388 10GridLayoutPlus/ (. GridLayoutPlus.toc):`
`14:19.59`	`CIA-48`	`GridLayoutPlus:`
`14:19.59`	`CIA-48`	`- Fixed SVN properties`
`14:21.09`	`Darkis`	`neenee u any good at it?`
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`14:32.29`	`Osstia`	`~asktoask`
`14:32.30`	`purl`	`This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.`
`14:32.45`	`Kalroth`	`~asktoasktoask`
`14:33.05`	`Kalroth`	`Oh, he already quit`
`14:33.08`	`Kalroth`	`~lart Osstia`
`14:33.08`	`purl`	`cuts Osstia into thin stripes`
`14:33.20`	`Osstia`	`i need more sleep`
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`14:41.26`	`Pkekyo\|`	`fucksake`
`14:41.26`	`Pkekyo\|`	`my leg fell asleep on the bus...almost fell flat on my face when I tried to get of`
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`14:41.58`	`[Ammo]`	`go to google.com type: Chuck Norris`
`14:42.01`	`[Ammo]`	`and hit I'm feeling lucky :)`
`14:42.05`	`[Ammo]`	`nice one :)`
`14:43.07`	`[Ammo]`	`correction: find chuck norris`
`14:44.16`	`Kalroth`	`hehe`
`14:51.33`	`CIA-48`	`03merl * r59389 10/branches/mHud/ (4 files in 3 dirs): mHud: Change how CustomColors are stored. Fixed DogTags not updating.`
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`15:10.16`	`CIA-48`	`GridStatusHealer:`
`15:10.16`	`CIA-48`	`- Adding stackable healing reduction debuffs. Quick commit to allow translation.`
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`15:18.55`	`CIA-48`	`GridStatusHealer:`
`15:18.55`	`CIA-48`	`- Added stackable anti-healing debuff code.`
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`15:36.52`	`neenee`	`Chuck Norris is so fast, he can run around the world and punch himself in the back of the head... egh`
`15:46.18`	`TNSe`	`anyone know of an addon that keeps uptime of debuffs (and buffs?) on mobs (yourself?)`
`15:47.15`	`CIA-48`	`03hegarol * r59392 10AtlasLoot/TableRegister/loottables.en.lua:`
`15:47.15`	`CIA-48`	`AtlasLoot:`
`15:47.15`	`CIA-48`	`- Bugfix`
`15:48.45`	`SunTsu`	`TNSe: Sounds like antagonist`
`15:50.05`	`TNSe`	`hmm not entirely sure if thats right one`
`15:50.21`	`TNSe`	`lets say I want to track how long uptime our raid has on improved shadowbolt debuff on a boss`
`15:50.50`	`[dRaCo]`	`recount can do that, iirc`
`15:51.53`	`CIA-48`	`03shen * r59393 10PoliteWhisper/ (PoliteWhisper.xml localization.lua version.lua): PoliteWhisper Extended: More localization.`
`15:51.55`	`Ellipsis`	`WWS?`
`15:53.36`	`Grum`	`wowwebstats`
`15:53.43`	`Grum`	`www. .com`
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`15:55.48`	`array{Endeavour}`	`does anyone know where boss yells are stored inside the mpq files? for example "you are not prepared!" by Illidan. Not the soundfiles, but the text?`
`15:56.17`	`KarlThePagan`	`they might be server side`
`15:56.31`	`array{Endeavour}`	`damn :(`
`15:56.53`	`Fin`	`shouldn't "Endeavour" be quoted?`
`15:58.04`	`Ellipsis`	`...`
`15:58.35`	`Pkekyo\|`	`:p`
`15:59.13`	`array{Endeavour}`	`Where did the authors of BigWigs get the boss yells from? for the triggers? did they log them?`
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`16:01.16`	`Fin`	`meta-voyeurs, now there's a geek fetish`
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`16:05.38`	`Mezir\|SemiAFK`	`sup`
`16:05.49`	`sb_`	`mhh - gathermate + routes looks pretty nice :)`
`16:05.57`	`Grum`	`ofc it does!`
`16:06.06`	`sb_`	`mh - why is that?`
`16:06.21`	`Mezir\|SemiAFK`	`guy i need a lil help, ive got a raid in less than an hour, so i've got to finish the last stuff of my new ui, but since i installed icedhud my playerframe isnt shown anymore`
`16:06.25`	`Mezir\|SemiAFK`	`any idea? o.o`
`16:06.37`	`ckknight`	`Fin: look at what you've done to Ellipsis`
`16:06.45`	`SunTsu`	`Mezir\|SemiAFK: Sure, deinstall IceHUD ;)`
`16:07.02`	`Fin`	`no fair, Elli!`
`16:07.13`	`Fin`	`ooh, I've just learned a totally useless transmute`
`16:07.15`	`Fin`	`how exciting`
`16:07.24`	`ckknight`	`I'm excited`
`16:07.49`	`Fin`	`can you just not hide it?`
`16:07.50`	`Fin`	`I know`
`16:08.05`	`Fin`	`dammit!`
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`16:08.28`	`Mezir\|SemiAFK`	`-.- sun i used it before in my old ui`
`16:08.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`array{Endeavour}: from logging them, boss yells are not saved in game files they are transmitted by the servers when they happen`
`16:08.32`	`Mezir\|SemiAFK`	`and it showed both`
`16:08.45`	`array{Endeavour}`	`thanks :)`
`16:09.52`	`Paradox`	`/cast [target=focus,exists,nodead,harm] Earth Shock(Rank 1) <- how do I change this so if I have nobody in /focus it'll just do my current target?`
`16:10.30`	`Kivin`	`is there any way to make a loadstring'd function have arguments?`
`16:10.40`	`Mezir\|SemiAFK`	`-_- kk...sigh`
`16:10.49`	`SunTsu`	`Paradox: /cast [target=focus,exists,nodead,harm] Earth Shock(Rank 1); Earth Shock(Rank 1) should do`
`16:10.59`	`Mezir\|SemiAFK`	`can anybody at least tell me how bind a macro to click2cast?`
`16:11.33`	`Paradox`	`thanks i'll try it`
`16:12.14`	`Kivin`	`Or in lieu of arguments, at least be aware of upvalues?`
`16:12.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`no to upvalues`
`16:13.09`	`Kivin`	`guess no to arguments as well`
`16:13.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont see why you couldnt`
`16:13.27`	`Fin`	`down with methods! long live functions!`
`16:13.56`	`Kivin`	`local a = 3; local t = loadstring("print(a)"); t('a') <-- tried this; t('a') doesn't recieve the argument`
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`16:16.54`	`ckknight`	`Kivin: loadstring(str)()`
`16:17.15`	`ckknight`	`wait`
`16:17.18`	`ckknight`	`no`
`16:17.21`	`Paradox`	`thanks works fine SunTsu`
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`16:17.42`	`ckknight`	`lua> local a = 3; local t = loadstring("function(a) print(a) end")(); t('a')`
`16:17.42`	`lua_bot`	`ckknight: [string "local a = 3; local t = loadstring("function..."]:1: attempt to call a nil value`
`16:18.01`	`ckknight`	`oh`
`16:18.07`	`Polarina`	`I'm looking for a good Quad-Core CPU. Any recommendation? I was looking at AMD Phenom 9500 but I'm not sure about it because of the TBL erratum... :S`
`16:18.12`	`ckknight`	`lua> local a = 3; local t = loadstring("return function(a) print(a) end")(); t('a')`
`16:18.13`	`lua_bot`	`ckknight:`
`16:18.20`	`ckknight`	`bah`
`16:18.27`	`SunTsu`	`Paradox: You're welcome`
`16:18.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> local a = 3; loadstring("return function(...) print(...) end")('a')`
`16:18.57`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster:`
`16:19.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> local a = 3; loadstring("function(...) print(...) end")('a')`
`16:19.06`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: [string "local a = 3; loadstring("function(...) prin..."]:1: attempt to call a nil value`
`16:19.36`	`ckknight`	`lua> local a = 3; local t = loadstring("print(...)"); t('a')`
`16:19.37`	`lua_bot`	`ckknight:`
`16:20.04`	`ckknight`	`lua> local a = 3; local t = loadstring("print(...)"); t('asdf')`
`16:20.04`	`lua_bot`	`ckknight:`
`16:20.20`	`ckknight`	`oh, can't do prints inside loadstring`
`16:20.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`its suppost to be possible`
`16:20.24`	`ckknight`	`that's the issue`
`16:20.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol`
`16:20.40`	`Kivin`	`Okay, so, Carbon Monoxide Detector just went off for like 1 second, then stopped. Do I get out or...`
`16:20.45`	`ckknight`	`lua> loadstring("print('foobar')")()`
`16:20.45`	`lua_bot`	`ckknight:`
`16:21.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> loadstring("return 'foobar'")()`
`16:21.11`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: foobar,`
`16:21.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> loadstring("return 'foobar', ...")()`
`16:21.24`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: foobar,`
`16:21.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> loadstring("return 'foobar', ...")('asdf')`
`16:21.30`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: foobar, asdf,`
`16:21.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`HA`
`16:21.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`bitches`
`16:21.39`	`Kivin`	`ahh, it's ...`
`16:21.44`	`Kivin`	`that makes sense XP`
`16:21.47`	`ckknight`	`Arrowmaster: so? print doesn't work, return does`
`16:21.58`	`Kivin`	`now, was my CM Detector being flakey, or what?`
`16:23.24`	`Lukian`	`Xinhuan, routes are displaying on characters that done mine for me :(`
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`16:27.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`Kivin: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_loadstring`
`16:27.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`look at section on protecting global env`
`16:27.23`	`Fin`	`what's a reasonable price to pay for a Nether Vortex when you're paying someone to craft an item for you?`
`16:27.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`could use that as a hacky way of using upvalues sorta`
`16:27.39`	`ShenDK`	`Does Old Hillsbrad Foothills have a Heroic mode?`
`16:27.43`	`Fin`	`yes`
`16:27.45`	`Osstia`	`yes`
`16:27.47`	`Fin`	`and it's fuckin hard`
`16:27.48`	`ShenDK`	`oki thanks`
`16:28.05`	`Osstia`	`Thrall's AI could use some assistance`
`16:28.09`	`Osstia`	`He's a douche`
`16:28.26`	`SunTsu`	`Fin: ACK, I only made it to the 2nd boss in about 4 tries...`
`16:28.43`	`Osstia`	`and I am not a fan of being turned into a blone human with a cheesy goatee`
`16:28.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`i almost completed heroic hillsbrad once`
`16:28.55`	`Fin`	`SunTsu: that's as far as I've got`
`16:28.58`	`Osstia`	`s/blone/blonde/`
`16:28.58`	`Fin`	`woo, really?`
`16:28.59`	`Fin`	`wow`
`16:29.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`but the damn dragons at the end raped thrall`
`16:29.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`and us`
`16:29.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`fucking 9k cleaves`
`16:29.19`	`Fin`	`it's a shame there's not any better drops there`
`16:29.22`	`Fin`	`might make it more worth doing`
`16:30.05`	`Fin`	`even if it was still not possible to do`
`16:30.15`	`SunTsu`	`I really wonder why they made Durnholde that hard when Morass isn't much harder than in normal mode`
`16:30.15`	`Fin`	`nobody got any idea what price I should be paying for a Nether Vortex then?`
`16:30.20`	`Fin`	`I want me a Belt of Blasting`
`16:30.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`vortex?`
`16:30.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`my guild charged 500g each`
`16:30.44`	`SunTsu`	`Fin: That depends on your realm. On mine it normally goes 500g/Vortex`
`16:30.49`	`Fin`	`ouch, OK`
`16:30.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`which is fucking cheap on our realm`
`16:31.02`	`Fin`	`I've been offered 200g, looks like a friends' price then`
`16:31.02`	`Fin`	`nice`
`16:31.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`other guilds were charging 1000g each`
`16:31.18`	`Camcii`	`who do i get error when i refresh my addons and such on WAU ?`
`16:31.23`	`kergoth`	`i had fun practicing soloing the explosives in heroic old hillsbrad... then had a hell of a time finding a group anyway.. but it was still fun`
`16:31.28`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`16:31.29`	`Fin`	`christ almighty`
`16:31.35`	`kergoth`	`(rogue, naturally)`
`16:31.49`	`Fin`	`heh, yeah, you're not going to solo as any other class`
`16:31.49`	`Fin`	`wait`
`16:31.51`	`Ellipsis`	`the explosives are not that hard to solo once you get the hang of it`
`16:31.53`	`Fin`	`maybe as a drood`
`16:31.57`	`Ellipsis`	`droods can`
`16:32.22`	`kergoth`	`those dogs are crazy, i was standing on the ledge up above, and they saw me when they patted by down below`
`16:32.28`	`kergoth`	`and i was stealthed at the time`
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`16:32.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`the other mobs with the dogs are even worse`
`16:32.49`	`SunTsu`	`kergoth: The whole pats are crazy`
`16:33.21`	`Kivin`	`Okay, so the concensus is that my houe isn't filled with Carbon Monoxide and I am not about to die in my sleep`
`16:33.21`	`neenee`	`Well, dogs have a (un)canine scent of smell :)`
`16:33.23`	`Fin`	`cheers for the answers re: nether vortexes btw, much obliged`
`16:33.28`	`kergoth`	`yea.. you're right though, it could be a fun challenge if they put in some decent loot`
`16:33.29`	`SunTsu`	`Never seen anything respawn that fast`
`16:33.31`	`Kivin`	`thanks for the help, Arrowmaster`
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`16:35.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> loadstring("return function(a,b) return a+b end")(38,4)`
`16:35.58`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: function: 0x80dc0b8,`
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`16:36.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> loadstring("return function(a,b) return a+b end")()(38,4)`
`16:36.11`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: 42,`
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`16:36.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> loadstring("return function(a,b) return a+b end")`
`16:36.47`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: function: 0x80facf0,`
`16:36.56`	`Kivin`	`lua> loadstring("local a, b = select(1, ...); return a + b;")()`
`16:36.56`	`lua_bot`	`Kivin: [string "local a, b = select(1, ...); return a + b;"]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'a' (a nil value)`
`16:37.01`	`Kivin`	`lua> loadstring("local a, b = select(1, ...); return a + b;")(2,3)`
`16:37.02`	`lua_bot`	`Kivin: 5,`
`16:37.14`	`neenee`	`spammy :\|`
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`16:37.48`	`Kivin`	`I'm done ;p`
`16:38.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> loadstring("return select(1,...)+select(2,...)")(2,3)`
`16:38.02`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: 5,`
`16:38.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> loadstring("return select(1,...)+select(2,...)")(2,3,4)`
`16:38.09`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: 5,`
`16:38.34`	`Kivin`	`+ operator only looks at the first eight bytes of the stack, apparently`
`16:39.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`huh?`
`16:39.28`	`neenee`	`5,!`
`16:39.35`	`Kivin`	`+select(2,...)")(2,3,4) you've got doubles 3.0 and 4.0 on the stack next to each other, but it's ignoring the 4`
`16:39.51`	`Gorbulas`	`lua> loadstring("return select(1,...)+select(2,...)")(1,1,2)`
`16:39.51`	`lua_bot`	`Gorbulas: 2,`
`16:40.01`	`Kivin`	`loadstrings for everyone o.o`
`16:40.25`	`Gorbulas`	`probably bad depending what libraries you have`
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`16:43.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> loadstring("return table.concat(...,"+")")(2,3,4)`
`16:43.45`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: [string "loadstring("return table.concat(...,"+")")(..."]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value`
`16:43.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> loadstring("return table.concat({...},"+")")(2,3,4)`
`16:43.56`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: [string "loadstring("return table.concat({...},"+")"..."]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value`
`16:44.17`	`Kivin`	`lua> loadstring("return table.concat({...},"+")")('2','3','4')`
`16:44.17`	`lua_bot`	`Kivin: [string "loadstring("return table.concat({...},"+")"..."]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value`
`16:44.23`	`Kivin`	`:P`
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`16:45.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`wait a minute`
`16:47.07`	`neenee`	`Goblin Dragon Gun is great :) Well, at level 30-something it is.`
`16:47.31`	`Kivin`	`I need to make my paladin a rocket launcher`
`16:47.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> table.concat({2,3,4},"+")`
`16:47.32`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: 2+3+4,`
`16:48.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> return table.concat({2,3,4},"+")`
`16:48.01`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: 2+3+4`
`16:48.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> loadstring("return table.concat({2,3,4},"+")")()`
`16:48.22`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: [string "loadstring("return table.concat({2,3,4},"+"..."]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value`
`16:48.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> loadstring("return '2+3+4'")()`
`16:48.48`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: 2+3+4,`
`16:48.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`WTF?`
`16:49.20`	`Kivin`	`dunno, mate`
`16:49.31`	`Kivin`	`Lua Voodoo Magik`
`16:49.38`	`Gorbulas`	`it's just messing with you`
`16:49.56`	`Kivin`	`lua_bot: Enough of your shenanigans.`
`16:50.09`	`Kivin`	`~lart lua_bot`
`16:50.10`	`purl`	`judo chops lua_bot`
`16:52.17`	`kergoth`	`Arrowmaster: you didnt escape the quotes around your plus, so you were asking it to concatenate two strings, one "return table.concat({2,3,4}," and the other ")", using an arithmetic operator`
`16:52.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`doh`
`16:52.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> loadstring("return table.concat({2,3,4},'+')")()`
`16:52.47`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: 2+3+4,`
`16:53.00`	`Kivin`	`:D`
`16:53.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> loadstring("return table.concat(...,'+')")(2,3,4)`
`16:53.46`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: [string "return table.concat(...,'+')"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'concat' (table expected, got number)`
`16:53.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> loadstring("return table.concat({...},'+')")(2,3,4)`
`16:53.57`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: 2+3+4,`
`16:54.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`now for more fun`
`16:54.57`	`Snago`	`There's no "Ace3_AddonEnabled"-message to register for when using Ace3?`
`16:55.05`	`Camcii`	`there is Ace3 ?`
`16:55.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> loadstring([[return loadstring("return table.concat({...},'+')")]])(2,3,4)`
`16:55.09`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: function: 0x80ef3e8,`
`16:55.12`	`nevcairiel`	`Snago: no`
`16:55.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> loadstring([[return loadstring("return table.concat({...},'+')")()]])(2,3,4)`
`16:55.17`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: ,`
`16:55.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> loadstring([[return loadstring("return table.concat({...},'+')")(...)]])(2,3,4)`
`16:55.22`	`lua_bot`	`Arrowmaster: 2+3+4,`
`16:55.30`	`nevcairiel`	`Arrowmaster: please, whisper`
`16:56.14`	`ShenDK`	`Anyone know if it's possible to add a scrollbar to a UIDropDownMenu object? I've tried googling but can't seem to find anything that answers that.`
`16:56.27`	`nevcairiel`	`Snago: what would you need that message for?`
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`16:58.41`	`Snago`	`Nothing yet. Using Ace2_AddonEnabled in an addon to detect when BigWigs boss modules enables.`
`16:59.39`	`Snago`	`But since there's no BW3 (yet) I'll just worry about updating my addon fully to ace3 another day.`
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`17:02.33`	`kergoth`	`well, if you're dependent upon bigwigs, you know ace2 exists, so AceLibrary("AceEvent-2.0"):RegisterEvent("Ace2_AddonEnabled", function(...) do stuff end)`
`17:02.47`	`kergoth`	`you dont need an ace2 addon to register events with aceevent-2.0`
`17:04.20`	`Snago`	`kergoth: Never thought of it that way. That's perfect! Thanks :)`
`17:05.36`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I hereby vote <WE ARE LEET SO RUN> for lamest guildname EVARR`
`17:05.52`	`Snago`	`AceLibrary:GetInstance("AceEvent-2.0"):embed(MyAce3Addon) works fine, but it wasn't really the solution I was looking for :P`
`17:06.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`that might be bad`
`17:06.52`	`Snago`	`ye, I was kinda surprised it worked at all :)`
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`17:23.47`	`thul`	`hmm, thinking about just speccing combat sword`
`17:23.52`	`thul`	`or trispec hemo again`
`17:23.57`	`thul`	`any suggestions? :-P`
`17:24.09`	`thul`	`subt-dagger with shadowstep is _great_ fun`
`17:24.15`	`thul`	`but I dunno`
`17:24.39`	ag`	`Is shadowstep of any use?`
`17:24.46`	`thul`	`in pvp?`
`17:24.47`	Funkeh`	`in pvp is godly`
`17:24.47`	`thul`	`hell yeah`
`17:24.53`	ag`	`I don't have a rogue but it seems a bit lime how it doesn't stun your target`
`17:25.02`	`thul`	`just cs a mage, wait for blink, then shadowstep :-D`
`17:25.03`	ag`	`I don't see many pvp rogues speccing for it`
`17:25.23`	`Antiar1`	`Trispec hemo is sub-par except as a support role now`
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`17:25.40`	`thul`	`according to who?`
`17:25.41`	`thul`	`and on what level?`
`17:25.56`	`Antiarc`	`According to the theorycraft and my own personal experience on the Hyjal/BT level :P`
`17:26.10`	`thul`	`according to EJ, it is competitive with combat swords at tier4, tier5, and slightly inferior at tier6 (that being personal dps)`
`17:27.09`	`Antiarc`	`Really, trispec hemo is a PVE build, and it's useful to have a hemo rogue in the raid for the debuff, but as far as personal DPS goes, if there's a hemo rogue already you're better off as combat swords`
`17:27.12`	`thul`	`if you look at total raid-dps it is better at tier4, and tier5, and just as good a tier6`
`17:27.25`	`Antiarc`	`Yes, which is why I said "excpet as a support role" :P`
`17:27.37`	`thul`	`well rogues are there to add dps :-)`
`17:27.38`	`Antiarc`	`ie, you have a rogue spec hemo for raid support`
`17:27.57`	`thul`	`well, depends, if you have enchancement shamans, fury warriors an mass, two hemos could be needed`
`17:28.06`	`Antiarc`	`Right, but I just mean that 3 hemo rogues in the raid is lower DPS than 2 combat swords + 1 hemo`
`17:28.27`	`thul`	`that might be, but the balance between 2 hemo + 1 combat etc`
`17:28.42`	`thul`	`i don't care though, I outdps the combat ones in our guild anyway:P`
`17:28.47`	`Antiarc`	`We run 1x hemo, 2x combat swords, 1x enhancement shaman, 1x 33/28 2H DPS war`
`17:28.57`	`Antiarc`	`Hehe, I did too, while I was trispec after 2.3.2`
`17:28.57`	`thul`	`2h?`
`17:28.59`	`thul`	`why? for the melee buff?`
`17:29.12`	`Antiarc`	`Yes, and he does incredible damage with it.`
`17:29.16`	`Antiarc`	`But I get about 10% more margin as combat swords than I did as hemo`
`17:30.04`	`thul`	`well, It is just so costly to respec all the time :/`
`17:30.14`	`thul`	`i almost want to find a pvp guild:P`
`17:30.16`	`TNSe`	`heh`
`17:30.22`	`TNSe`	`I'm combat hemo pve`
`17:30.24`	`Antiarc`	`With the hemo nerf, combat maces is your best bet for a solid PVE/PVP hybrid, I think.`
`17:30.43`	`Antiarc`	`Deep sub isn't going to hold up in PVE due to either missing DW, or missing Relentless`
`17:30.44`	`TNSe`	`and I dont think I would do much more personal dps with full combat hemo swords`
`17:30.51`	`TNSe`	`and I dont think I would do much more personal dps with full combat swords (-hemo)`
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`17:31.29`	`TNSe`	`thing is that combat-hemo-swords gains additional scaling with armor ignore`
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`17:31.35`	`TNSe`	`while combat-sword gains more from haste`
`17:31.39`	`cncfanatics`	`hello all`
`17:31.41`	`Antiarc`	`Yup`
`17:31.43`	`thul`	`anyhow, subt-spec with shadowstep is great fun`
`17:31.45`	`thul`	`_great_ fun`
`17:31.51`	`thul`	`in pvp that is:p`
`17:31.59`	`TNSe`	`mobility is always fun`
`17:32.03`	`Antiarc`	`I was really considering getting Executioner as Hemo`
`17:32.04`	`TNSe`	`why I prefer tanking with druid :P`
`17:32.10`	`thul`	`hehe`
`17:32.13`	`Antiarc`	`That + WSC would have been about 2700 armor penetration`
`17:32.13`	`TNSe`	`I have executioner + badge back`
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`17:32.34`	`TNSe`	`you get sick white attacks as hemo-combat-swords with executioner + armor pen`
`17:32.37`	`Antiarc`	`Yup`
`17:32.46`	`thul`	`hmm, maybe I should get that`
`17:32.52`	`thul`	`I have to get a decent mh sword first ofc.`
`17:32.54`	`Antiarc`	`I specced back to combat, but MAN, I miss Dirty Deeds.`
`17:33.06`	`thul`	`hehe`
`17:33.15`	`thul`	`how much do I have to fund out for executioner?`
`17:33.15`	`kergoth`	`NeoTron: ping`
`17:33.16`	`Antiarc`	`I had a 6k envenom on a trash mob thanks to DD + Stormstrike`
`17:33.19`	`Antiarc`	`It was pretty damn hot.`
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`17:33.31`	ag`	`mom too`
`17:33.38`	`Gorbulas`	`my rogue is assassination :)`
`17:33.47`	`Antiarc`	`Executioner is slightly more expensive than Mongoose, enchant fees aside`
`17:33.59`	`Gorbulas`	`2k envenom crits at level 63`
`17:34.02`	`Antiarc`	`It's more rare than Mongoose so you can expect to pay a larger tip, unless you have a guild chanter with it`
`17:34.17`	`thul`	`http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Balnazzar&n=Thyve <- current`
`17:34.59`	`deltron`	`being melee is expensive :(`
`17:35.04`	`thul`	`hehe`
`17:35.04`	`deltron`	`so i've learned`
`17:35.05`	`thul`	`yeah..`
`17:35.31`	`deltron`	`i'm converting my main from healer to melee`
`17:35.45`	`Gorbulas`	`I was making better money than my holy priest until I dropped leatherworking and went back to train engineering from 0`
`17:35.50`	`Antiarc`	`Why is it more expensive than being a caster?`
`17:35.53`	`Antiarc`	`Out of curiosity`
`17:36.05`	`Antiarc`	`The only thing I can think of is arcane flurry rape and the offhand durability problem`
`17:36.20`	`deltron`	`Antiarc: offensive caster?`
`17:36.30`	`Antiarc`	`Or support, whichever`
`17:36.48`	`deltron`	`my healing enchants were fairly easy`
`17:36.53`	`Antiarc`	`Aha, okay`
`17:37.21`	`deltron`	`10 primal lifes, a runethread, and a primal nether for a leg enchant? heck yeah`
`17:37.37`	`deltron`	`compared to 10 airs, 4 cobra scales, primal nether for melee`
`17:37.39`	`Pkekyo\|`	`the brits in my guilds are also the persons that are worst at speaking/writing english :p`
`17:37.45`	`Antiarc`	`Obviously never tried to get Soulfrost done!`
`17:37.55`	`deltron`	`nope heh`
`17:37.58`	`Antiarc`	`On my server, Soulfrost costs 830 in mats alone, at median mat prices.`
`17:38.06`	`Ellipsis`	`=[`
`17:38.19`	`deltron`	`lemme see what the mats are`
`17:38.22`	`Antiarc`	`12 voids, 10 large prismatics, 8 arcane dust, 6 primal water, 6 primal shadow.`
`17:38.30`	`thul`	`4700 ambush unbuffed ftw`
`17:38.36`	`thul`	`shadowstep counts as a buff maybe :-P`
`17:39.00`	`deltron`	`Antiarc: ever see the mats for mongoose or executioner?`
`17:39.08`	`Antiarc`	`Mongoose is 541g in mats`
`17:39.11`	`Antiarc`	`Executioner is 493`
`17:39.18`	`Antiarc`	`And I'm a rogue with enchanting, so yes :P`
`17:39.22`	`deltron`	`heh`
`17:39.23`	`Antiarc`	`http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pIzxbgmMhG-wdd7s_qgmvdA&hl=en`
`17:40.06`	`deltron`	`don't have access to that spreadsheet`
`17:40.22`	`Antiarc`	`Aha, let me see`
`17:40.28`	`Antiarc`	`http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pIzxbgmMhG-wdd7s_qgmvdA&hl=en`
`17:40.31`	`Gorbulas`	`I didn't put points in ambush because I can only do it once in a fight`
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`17:40.54`	`Gorbulas`	`maybe for pvp…`
`17:41.03`	`Antiarc`	`It'd be worth it for PVP, definitely`
`17:41.16`	`Gorbulas`	`but pvp in my battlegroup is so terrible that I shouldn't consider it`
`17:41.37`	`robotusch`	`hmpf, looks like I broke TourGuide :/`
`17:41.56`	`Gorbulas`	`I'd be of more use with master poisoner and crippling poison`
`17:42.10`	`Gorbulas`	`cheapshot somebody and then run in circles poisoning`
`17:42.43`	`Gorbulas`	`then die because there are more of them and they are better geared`
`17:45.55`	`ckknight`	`CIA-48 down?`
`17:45.58`	`deltron`	`Antiarc: wow are your shards really 18G?`
`17:46.05`	`CIA-48`	`03ckknight * r59396 10LibJostle-3.0/LibJostle-3.0.lua: LibJostle-3.0 - fix an upgrading issue`
`17:46.12`	`CIA-48`	`03peragor * r59397 10GridStatusHealer/GridStatusHealer.lua:`
`17:46.12`	`CIA-48`	`GridStatusHealer:`
`17:46.12`	`CIA-48`	`- Cut & paste error`
`17:46.12`	`ckknight`	`...`
`17:46.18`	`Antiarc`	`deltron: They were when I put that spreadsheet together. They're closer to 28g now.`
`17:46.41`	`deltron`	`ah, yeah, that's what they're at on my server`
`17:47.08`	`Ellipsis`	`WTB your server`
`17:47.46`	`SunTsu`	`http://monorailcat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/i-has-a-mount-cat.jpg`
`17:47.58`	`deltron`	`hmm wowecon.com down for you guys/`
`17:48.00`	`deltron`	`?`
`17:48.36`	`thul`	`hmm`
`17:49.03`	`thul`	`what kind of sinister strikes can i expect with s1 sword and 2500 ap buffed?`
`17:50.23`	`deltron`	`dunno`
`17:50.57`	`thul`	`Antiarc: ?`
`17:51.45`	`Chompers`	`gogo EJ forums`
`17:52.05`	`Antiarc`	`763 non-crit on an unarmored target`
`17:52.08`	`thul`	`k`
`17:52.15`	`thul`	`thanks`
`17:52.22`	`Antiarc`	`Wait, 41 combat or no?`
`17:52.43`	`deltron`	`run a theorycrafting app`
`17:52.44`	`Antiarc`	`889 if 41 combat`
`17:52.51`	`Antiarc`	`1779 without lethality`
`17:52.57`	`thul`	`41 yeah`
`17:53.01`	`Antiarc`	`2046 with Lethality`
`17:53.11`	`Antiarc`	`Plus any modifiers like Blood Craze`
`17:53.14`	`thul`	`889 average hit, 2046 average crit?`
`17:53.14`	`thul`	`ok`
`17:53.16`	`thul`	`hmm`
`17:53.24`	`Antiarc`	`On an unarmored target, yes`
`17:54.13`	`thul`	`hmm, I have 50% bonus damage on my ambush and first backstab`
`17:54.15`	`thul`	`that is sweet.`
`17:55.57`	`thul`	`I would love subt to be viable in pve :-(`
`17:57.33`	`deltron`	`we had one of our rogues go sub for a bit after the changes`
`17:57.53`	`Osstia`	`I'm combat/hemo on my rogue. I like it`
`17:58.08`	`Osstia`	`its a decent mic for PvP/PvE`
`17:58.15`	`Osstia`	`s/mic/mix/`
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`18:06.38`	`cncfanatics`	`NeoTron: I continue to enjoy the lower then average price for green gems and the WAY higher then average enchant mats prices, if you get what I mean :p`
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`18:18.22`	`Osstia`	`From what I have read, trying to use AceHook to hook 2 functions for the honor frame is likely overkill right?`
`18:18.58`	`Antiarc`	`If that's the only thing you'd be using the ace libs for, yeah, likely.`
`18:19.54`	`Osstia`	`thanks Antiarc`
`18:20.12`	`Osstia`	`I was looking at 2 people's code for accomplsihing the same thing`
`18:20.18`	`Osstia`	`one was ace'd one was not`
`18:20.59`	`Primer`	`If I add a dependency in the .toc file, but embed it, and the dep exists globally, which is used?`
`18:21.01`	`Osstia`	`but I have to say, whoever wrote the old AceHook page did a great job.`
`18:21.08`	`Antiarc`	`Ace exists primarily to remove the gruntwork from addon creation. If it's more work to set up Ace libs in a project, you're probably Doing It Wrong :)`
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`18:21.35`	`Antiarc`	`Primer: The first one that loads. However, if one is newer than the other, the newer one is used.`
`18:21.39`	`Josh_Borke`	`Primer: both are loaded, whichever one is newer is kept`
`18:21.42`	`Antiarc`	`Where "newer" is deteremined by minor revision.`
`18:22.46`	`Primer`	`So I can specify a dep down to a specific version number? Not that I'm going to. I imagine the major version would suffice`
`18:22.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`you could`
`18:23.05`	`Antiarc`	`I don't think you could.`
`18:23.08`	`Primer`	`Is it recommended that I add deps to the toc even though I'm embedding them?`
`18:23.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes`
`18:23.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`optdep`
`18:23.20`	`Antiarc`	`You just specify the dep name and AceAddon figures out which to use.`
`18:23.20`	`Josh_Borke`	`as optional deps`
`18:23.31`	`Primer`	`ok`
`18:23.35`	`Josh_Borke`	`s/AceAddon/LibStub/ ;-)`
`18:23.44`	`Antiarc`	`Whichever :P`
`18:25.44`	`_NiC`	`baggins is broken :(`
`18:26.48`	`_NiC`	`actually it's the baggins_outfitter`
`18:26.58`	`Primer`	`It seems that every addon I download always embeds deps. This (to me, at least), seems odds. What's the general consensus regarding this?`
`18:27.06`	`Primer`	`s/odds/odd/`
`18:27.14`	`_NiC`	`Baggins_Outfitter.lua, line 13, attempt to call method 'GetBagItemInfo' (a nil value)`
`18:27.15`	`Primer`	`thank you, purl`
`18:27.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`always embed in release versions`
`18:27.44`	`ShenDK`	`Anyone know if it's possible to add a scrollbar to a UIDropDownMenu object? I've tried googling but can't seem to find anything that answers that.`
`18:29.59`	`NeoTron`	`personal pet peave - healers complaining about warlocks expecting heals between pulls in instances`
`18:30.15`	`Josh_Borke`	`ShenDK: doubtful`
`18:30.52`	`NeoTron`	`logic like: 1) I eat for 30-60s vs 2) spend 1.5-3s healing me and then eat for 3 seconds`
`18:31.03`	`NeoTron`	`doesn't seem to help`
`18:31.27`	`ShenDK`	`Josh_Borke: :/ anything else that can be used, like a combobox tha tmaybe has one?`
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`18:31.44`	`Josh_Borke`	`ShenDK: make a custom widget`
`18:33.06`	`Grum`	`Can anyone confirm that the only way to get the direction a player is facing by doing some minimap-children-magic to find the last model with name 'nil' - assume that is the minimap arrow and ask the facing of it?`
`18:33.10`	`ShenDK`	`heh first time for everything i guess.. any push in the right direction linkwise?`
`18:33.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`Grum: incorrect`
`18:33.40`	`Primer`	`NeoTron: tell them you'll shatter while standing next to them`
`18:33.45`	`Primer`	`and see if they like it`
`18:33.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`Grum: its named now`
`18:33.57`	`Grum`	`what is it called?`
`18:34.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`PlayerArrowModel?`
`18:34.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont know check cartographer`
`18:34.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`i forgot it since i fixed it for 2.3`
`18:34.26`	`Grum`	`carto does it the way i describe`
`18:34.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`no it doesnt`
`18:34.33`	`Grum`	`and names it playerModel`
`18:34.38`	`Primer`	`Grum: my addon does that!`
`18:34.38`	`Grum`	`it does...`
`18:34.38`	`Primer`	`hehe`
`18:34.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`where`
`18:34.41`	`Primer`	`check it out`
`18:34.49`	`Primer`	`http://sh.nu/FlightHUD`
`18:35.01`	`Primer`	`</blatant advertisement>`
`18:35.23`	`Grum`	`http://fish.wowace.com/browse/WowAce/trunk/Cartographer/Cartographer_Waypoints/Waypoints.lua?r=59076#l733 <-- look`
`18:35.24`	`Primer`	`I don't recall where I stole the code from...`
`18:35.34`	`Primer`	`it was probably that`
`18:35.45`	`Grum`	`Gatherer does something similar`
`18:35.51`	`Grum`	`better check TomTom what that one does`
`18:36.05`	`cladhaire`	`there's a function on the wiki`
`18:36.09`	`Primer`	`actually, I think it was Gatherer`
`18:36.17`	`cladhaire`	`GetPlayerBearing()`
`18:36.18`	`Grum`	`http://wow-tomtom.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/TomTom_CrazyArrow.lua <-- exactly the same`
`18:36.31`	`cladhaire`	`Grum: whats exactly the same?`
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`18:36.39`	`Grum`	`Message: [string "AceLibrary('AceConsole-2.0'):PrintLiteral(G..."] line 1: attempt to call global 'GetPlayerBearing' (a nil value)`
`18:36.44`	`cladhaire`	`yes`
`18:36.45`	`cladhaire`	`its on the wiki`
`18:36.47`	`cladhaire`	`as I said`
`18:36.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`maybe it was the arrow on the worldmap that got named`
`18:36.48`	`cladhaire`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/GetPlayerBearing`
`18:36.48`	`Grum`	`no call like that cladhaire .. k`
`18:36.53`	`cladhaire`	`sigh`
`18:36.57`	`cladhaire`	`lrn1raed pls.`
`18:37.31`	`Grum`	`cladhaire: type faster :)`
`18:37.37`	`Grum`	`anyhow, thanks`
`18:37.41`	`Grum`	`kinda llame though ;(`
`18:37.45`	`cladhaire`	`tho, the name of the model changed`
`18:37.48`	`cladhaire`	`whats kinda lame?`
`18:38.13`	`cladhaire`	`i'd pull the code i use in crazy_arrow`
`18:38.13`	`Grum`	`this way to 'detect' it :p`
`18:38.14`	`cladhaire`	`it works`
`18:38.20`	`cladhaire`	`i just haven't had a chance to update wowwiki`
`18:38.22`	`ShenDK`	`Anyone know os a good HOWTO to create custom widgets? Apaprently UIDropDownMenu doesn't have scrollbars`
`18:38.35`	`Grum`	`cladhaire: you do the same in crazy arrow`
`18:39.27`	`Kivin`	`ShenDK: What kind of scrollbar do you want?`
`18:39.48`	`Kivin`	`one like the kind on your friendlist?`
`18:40.13`	`ShenDK`	`vertical.. if, say, more than 25 elements are added to the dropdown, to allow the user to scroll in the list`
`18:40.51`	`Kivin`	`Eww, you want it on the popup frame. That doesn't sound easy`
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`18:41.08`	`Zhinjio`	`rip it off from another addon thats already done it, like GuildFu`
`18:41.18`	`Zhinjio`	`or more to the point, FuBar`
`18:41.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`you mean tablet`
`18:41.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`since those are all tablets`
`18:41.32`	`Zhinjio`	`k`
`18:41.33`	`Kivin`	`KivinLootzor has a vertical scroll bar`
`18:41.34`	`Zhinjio`	`yes`
`18:41.39`	`Kivin`	`which i ripped off from tablet :P`
`18:41.44`	`ShenDK`	`more like the one in the Who List when you pick between zone, class and race, except with a scrollbar on teh side`
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`18:41.49`	`Zhinjio`	`what he said.`
`18:42.27`	`ShenDK`	`thanks will grab a quick copy and see what i can rip :)`
`18:42.30`	`cladhaire`	`Grum: no, the method is the same, the code is different`
`18:42.32`	`cladhaire`	`mine works, his won't, right now.`
`18:42.41`	`Grum`	`k`
`18:42.44`	`Grum`	`the only thing i dont get`
`18:42.49`	`Grum`	`why search the list back 2 front?`
`18:43.04`	`Grum`	`that makes no sense as any other textures etc are added at the end of the list`
`18:43.29`	`Grum`	`but cladhaire, i'll steal your code and credit you, k?`
`18:43.44`	`cladhaire`	`eff credit :P`
`18:43.54`	`cladhaire`	`because its always towards the end`
`18:43.57`	`cladhaire`	`it does make sense :P`
`18:44.10`	`Grum`	`yeah sure but the list is like 20 before you see it`
`18:44.16`	`Grum`	`unless you have other addons running that put nodes on the minimap`
`18:44.26`	`Grum`	`then you have to traverse through hundreds of node-entries first`
`18:45.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats why you do it early and not the first time the function is used like the wowwiki example`
`18:45.09`	`cladhaire`	`you're assuming a lot about the order of the child list`
`18:45.19`	`cladhaire`	`Arrowmaster: or it really doesn't matter`
`18:45.21`	`nevcairiel`	`how do you know in which order :GetChildren() responds with the stuff`
`18:45.31`	`cladhaire`	`nevcairiel: he doesn't, but it sounded good, right? :p`
`18:45.41`	`Grum`	`cladhaire: i just dumped it so yeah i know that it orders the 'right' stuff @ the start and the bad stuff @ the end :(`
`18:45.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`but yeah your only searching for it once so what does it matter`
`18:45.59`	`cladhaire`	`so change it to search from the front`
`18:46.00`	`nevcairiel`	`its a one time call anyway, talk about micro-optimisation`
`18:46.15`	`Grum`	`true`
`18:46.20`	`cladhaire`	`the "cost" is absurdly negligable.`
`18:46.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`hmm 1:46pm`
`18:46.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`i should goto bed`
`18:47.30`	`Grum`	`cladhaire: absolutely true`
`18:47.32`	`thul`	`bah`
`18:47.36`	`Grum`	`so best to have 'one way' to do it :)`
`18:47.41`	`thul`	`is there a slash-command for hiding party frames?`
`18:48.28`	`cladhaire`	`thul: nah, ther'es hackery involved with getting rid of it for good`
`18:48.32`	`cladhaire`	`see aguf or friends`
`18:49.08`	`Grum`	`prolly manually removing the events on which it triggers to pop up again O.o`
`18:49.18`	`cladhaire`	`indeed`
`18:49.36`	`thul`	`:-(`
`18:49.41`	`thul`	`i use grid as party frame :-(`
`18:49.43`	`thul`	`bah`
`18:49.44`	`thul`	`well well`
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`18:50.56`	`nevcairiel`	`Grum: thats what UnregisterAllEvents() is for =P`
`18:51.00`	`Grum`	`=D`
`18:51.08`	`Grum`	`is there any ... rules against remaking an addon?`
`18:51.15`	`nevcairiel`	`?`
`18:51.17`	`Grum`	`because you are basicly 'leeching' of an idea`
`18:51.29`	`nevcairiel`	`ideas are not protected by any copyright laws :P`
`18:51.36`	`Grum`	`good :)`
`18:51.48`	`thul`	`just check the license:P`
`18:52.28`	`Grum`	`gatherer :P`
`18:52.46`	`nevcairiel`	`you cant protect your idea. if you have a nice idea, you have to expect other software appearing which implement the same idea. the implementation has to be totally your own tho, or you have to check the license again :P`
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`18:53.29`	`Grum`	`nevcairiel: oh yeah, that will be the case`
`18:54.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`or you can patent it then wait years until others copy it and implement it in lots of stuff then threaten them all with legal action to pay up`
`18:54.11`	`Grum`	`i have no intention using any of that crap code ^^`
`18:54.50`	`nevcairiel`	`good that there are no software patents`
`18:55.38`	`Tornhoof`	`yet`
`18:56.02`	`Grum`	`it hard to check`
`18:56.04`	`Grum`	`and then again`
`18:56.07`	`Kaelten`	`crap code?`
`18:56.17`	`nevcairiel`	`the last decision in the EU was like 95% against software patents`
`18:56.17`	`Grum`	`uhoh! /me hides`
`18:56.20`	`nevcairiel`	`thats pretty clear :D`
`18:56.49`	`Grum`	`s/crap/highly inefficient and broken/`
`18:56.52`	`Kaelten`	`I look forward to the day when the US gets rid of software patents`
`18:56.56`	`Kaelten`	`or at least fixes them`
`18:57.04`	`deltron`	`Kaelten: never will happen`
`18:57.10`	`deltron`	`they will only get worse`
`18:57.11`	`Kaelten`	`grum: was wondering what code?`
`18:57.24`	`Kaelten`	`deltron: then the US tech economy will inevitably suffer`
`18:57.28`	`Grum`	`Kaelten: GathererHud`
`18:57.37`	`Kaelten`	`hrm, haven't seen it`
`18:57.43`	`Kaelten`	`just glad your not talking about mine`
`18:57.44`	`thul`	`patents, in whole, is a difficult area`
`18:57.44`	`Kaelten`	`hehe`
`18:57.44`	`Grum`	`its like Gatherer ...`
`18:57.48`	`Grum`	`what hud? :P`
`18:57.57`	`Grum`	`if you made one i might not need to code one ;D`
`18:57.59`	`Kaelten`	`I don't have a hud`
`18:58.05`	`Grum`	`good`
`18:58.16`	`Kaelten`	`hehe, working on OneBag3 atm`
`18:58.52`	`Kaelten`	`and then I plan to work on KCI some more`
`18:58.59`	`Kaelten`	`and then we'll see, still have a lot of ideas.`
`18:59.07`	`Grum`	`:)`
`18:59.24`	`Grum`	`right, geometry time again :(`
`18:59.32`	`Kaelten`	`yuk, and good luck`
`19:00.04`	`Ellipsis`	`poor lil Grum`
`19:00.11`	`Ellipsis`	`math is for nubs imo`
`19:00.33`	`Grum`	`i hate this part`
`19:00.37`	`Grum`	`fixing the rotation etc ;P`
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`19:00.53`	`rubik`	`Kaelten: were you working on some guild calendar addon at some point a real long time ago or am i just imagining things? :P`
`19:01.19`	`Kaelten`	`I was but it was taken over by guillotine`
`19:01.33`	`rubik`	`it looked like it was going to kick much ass and it's still very much useful and there are no other (good) options out there so i've been hoping someone would take over that.. for years`
`19:01.39`	`rubik`	`Combine or something?`
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`19:01.58`	`Kaelten`	`yep`
`19:02.19`	`Kaelten`	`Combine, although I think he got stumped by the challenge of the distributed database/hive mind`
`19:02.19`	`Antiarc`	`(12:01:55 PM) waseem57: what soes rescue Exception => e means?`
`19:02.20`	`Antiarc`	`cry`
`19:02.26`	`Kaelten`	`really need accurate timestamps.`
`19:02.43`	`Primer`	`Arrowmaster: Recall when you advised me embed on release, how do you maintain the toc file in that case? At this point my toc file references Libs\AceLibrary\AceLibrary.lua and friends`
`19:02.55`	`Ellipsis`	`Antiarc: was that supposed to be english?`
`19:02.57`	`Primer`	`advised me to embed, that is`
`19:03.01`	`Antiarc`	`Ellipsis: I don't know.`
`19:03.07`	`Ellipsis`	`Primer: embeds.xml`
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`19:05.39`	`Primer`	`Ellipsis: thanks`
`19:08.45`	`kergoth`	`whats a good spot to find mithril?`
`19:08.55`	`kergoth`	`leveling mining ftl`
`19:08.59`	`Kivin`	`badlands`
`19:09.25`	`Kivin`	`the eastern end and along the south, and the ogre mound to the far south-west`
`19:09.39`	`kergoth`	`ah, cool`
`19:09.40`	`kergoth`	`thanks`
`19:11.25`	`Primer`	`heh, all the embeds.xml files in my AddOns directory have been wiped...presumably by JWU`
`19:12.27`	`Ellipsis`	`Primer: the zip script will strip the embeds.xml files for no-ext zips`
`19:13.16`	`Snago`	`[2008/01/25 20:12:42-1189-x1]: IHML\libs\AceSerializer-3.0\AceSerializer-3.0.xml:1: unexpected symbol near '<' <-- What is wrong?`
`19:14.05`	`nevcairiel`	`you used <Script> instead of <Include>`
`19:14.24`	`Snago`	`Aha! Thanks :)`
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`19:16.56`	`robotusch`	`kergoth, might want to try Hinterlands as well`
`19:17.05`	`robotusch`	`just follow the edge of the zone all the way around, there's loads of mithril there`
`19:17.33`	`HotFO-blama`	`I snayone have any problems with LocationFu and JostleLib?`
`19:17.51`	`Ellipsis`	`HotFO-blama: what issue are you having with it?`
`19:18.03`	`HotFO-blama`	`When I load I get the error:`
`19:18.35`	`HotFO-blama`	`hold on one sec... wow decided I wasnt important enough to load it`
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`19:21.21`	`Osstia`	`kergoth: Badlands is awesome for it`
`19:21.36`	`CIA-48`	`03wanthony * r59398 10FuBar_AlarmClockFu/AlarmClockFu.lua:`
`19:21.36`	`CIA-48`	`FuBar_AlarmClockFu:`
`19:21.36`	`CIA-48`	`- Added tooltip strings for each alarm as well as the countdown`
`19:21.36`	`CIA-48`	`- Alarm / Countdown tooltips are displayed incorrectly (see Known Issues on the wiki)`
`19:21.36`	`CIA-48`	`- Countdown is known to behave improperly - some code has been implemented in order to fix this behavior, but more work is needed`
`19:21.37`	`Osstia`	`kergoth: its also nice to just hop over to burning steppes for thorium`
`19:23.32`	`HotFO-blama`	`http://ace.pastey.net/81258`
`19:24.19`	`Ellipsis`	`HotFO-blama: that was fixed about an hour and a half ago, update your addons :)`
`19:24.29`	`HotFO-blama`	`Coolios, thanks`
`19:25.08`	`HotFO-blama`	`Also, does anyone know how to get your Baggings Bank bags to be all in one sorted?`
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`19:27.37`	`[Liquidor]`	`Good evening everyone. How's your weekend doing?`
`19:29.11`	`Osstia`	`Anyone here use a totem addon for a shaman?`
`19:31.58`	`vithos`	`HotFO-blama: same way you get your inventory to be sorted that way`
`19:32.59`	`vithos`	`should be set by loading the profile, or you can go into the bag/category editor and "copy from"/"import sections from"`
`19:34.56`	`HotFO-blama`	`Thanks! One more question. I want to use Autobar but I don't want to have a seperate bar on my screen. Is there a way to set it up as a normal button on my action bars?`
`19:35.56`	`Camcii`	`anyone know if there is an addon that shows who is targetting you?`
`19:36.10`	`Camcii`	`and i mean that shows more then 1 ppl in same time.`
`19:36.51`	`CIA-48`	`03wanthony * r59399 10FuBar_AlarmClockFu/ (AlarmClockFu.lua FuBar_AlarmClockFu.toc):`
`19:36.51`	`CIA-48`	`FuBar_AlarmClockFu:`
`19:36.51`	`CIA-48`	`- Updated the TOC file metadata`
`19:38.13`	`chiper`	`Osstia: I do`
`19:38.29`	`chiper`	`I'm using Yata`
`19:39.09`	`neenee`	`Yet Another Tedious Acronym?`
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`19:39.29`	`Recluse`	`Yet Another Totem Addon`
`19:39.30`	`neenee`	`Or Abbreviation`
`19:39.33`	`neenee`	`Ah :)`
`19:39.41`	`thul`	`yafc etc`
`19:39.42`	`Snago`	`Is there any policy about using Ace3 libs in the trunk?`
`19:39.56`	`thul`	`is quite good`
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`19:39.59`	`thul`	`yafc was quite good`
`19:40.22`	`Recluse`	`i use TotemTimers and TotemMenu-Redux, but i don't play my shaman much`
`19:44.49`	`chiper`	`totemtimers started giving errors in 2.3 and i didnt care enough to fix it`
`19:45.34`	`chiper`	`plus I hated that I couldnt disable the weapon buff timer`
`19:46.31`	`dylanm`	`Snago: My impression is that you'll get yelled at, since on wowace trunk is essentially for releases and Ace3 is still Beta.`
`19:46.48`	`_rane`	`any knowledgeable rogues around? i have some leveling build related questions`
`19:47.46`	`dylanm`	`Combat until you're sick of it.`
`19:47.53`	`Josh_Borke`	`Snago: what do you mean?`
`19:49.05`	`Chompers`	`combat _rane`
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`19:49.07`	`Chompers`	`level as that`
`19:49.11`	`_rane`	`yes, i know, combat`
`19:49.13`	`_rane`	`but ffs`
`19:49.16`	`Primer`	`I have my addon in svn now (my own), without the libs inside it. Do you guys use a post commit hook to cut releases, or do you manually do a checkout, copy the libs in, and zip it up?`
`19:49.25`	`_rane`	`sigh`
`19:49.27`	`kenlyric`	`I SUGGEST COMBAT`
`19:49.38`	`dylanm`	`You want specific talent choices? We can talk about those.`
`19:49.50`	`_rane`	`i have questions`
`19:50.12`	`dylanm`	`Ask 'em :)`
`19:50.48`	`Snago`	`If I've written an addon that uses Ace3 libs, may I put that addon in the trunk?`
`19:50.52`	`_rane`	`imp. gouge any good for leveling? how about imp. snd? is slash and dice used while grinding anyway?`
`19:51.05`	`kenlyric`	`no, yes, yes`
`19:51.27`	`dylanm`	`Slice and dice is a fantastic use of combo points pretty much.`
`19:51.35`	`kenlyric`	`though imp SnD depends on your grinding speed`
`19:51.55`	`dylanm`	`But yeah I can see how one would be skeptical if you're killing stuff really quickly.`
`19:52.01`	`kenlyric`	`if you're not a slow ass like me, imp SnD combined with remorseless attacks is godly`
`19:52.03`	`dylanm`	`If your focus is grinding then it's clearly great.`
`19:52.23`	`_rane`	`how does this look like for lvl 60 rogue then? http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fGxZMeEzbVz0Mhot`
`19:52.25`	`Kivin`	`Imp SND is a fantastic place to put some talents`
`19:52.48`	`Kivin`	`_rane, you skipped all the weapon specs`
`19:53.07`	`Kivin`	`what type of weapons?`
`19:53.26`	`Kivin`	`and what ratio of pvp time to heroic/raid time?`
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`19:55.04`	`kenlyric`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fMxZMeEz0VzxMhot if you can keep your downtime to a minimum, http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0ebZMxEz0VzxMhot if you can't`
`19:55.10`	`dylanm`	`I leveled mine assassination but that was a little dumb.`
`19:55.32`	`dylanm`	`Combo point generation is just so neat though.`
`19:55.46`	`Kivin`	`I concur with both of those builds, the first one is better.`
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`19:56.58`	`kenlyric`	`I suct at minimizing downtime. remorseless attacks fall off all the time`
`19:57.02`	`kenlyric`	`*suck`
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`19:59.25`	`_rane`	`how is snd used while grinding?`
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`19:59.45`	`kenlyric`	`keep it up all the time.`
`20:00.13`	`kenlyric`	`imp snd makes that easier.`
`20:00.40`	`Kivin`	`the first combo is more potent than the subsequent onces, iirc. a good rotation is keeping rupture & snd up with spending as few combos as possible`
`20:00.41`	`_rane`	`how many CP snd is most efficient?`
`20:00.51`	`Kivin`	`spend all excess energy on sinister strike`
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`20:00.56`	`thul`	`5s3r?`
`20:01.11`	`Kivin`	`no, not for solo work`
`20:01.15`	`Kivin`	`1s2r maybe`
`20:01.33`	`Kivin`	`then your target should be quite dead by the time both wear off`
`20:01.47`	`_rane`	`1s2r?`
`20:01.50`	`Kivin`	`pop a 5s before it dies and you lose your combos`
`20:01.52`	`Firelemming`	`anybody here that has experience with the UIDropDownMenuTemplate, its driving me insane`
`20:01.56`	`thul`	`ah, for solo`
`20:02.02`	`Kivin`	`1/5 slice n dice, 2/5 rupture`
`20:02.04`	`dylanm`	`Yeah not raid dps here`
`20:02.06`	`Shadowed`	`Firelemming: Yea`
`20:02.08`	`Shadowed`	`don't use it`
`20:02.13`	`Shadowed`	`it's evil`
`20:02.22`	`kenlyric`	`yeah, and 1s doesn't work without imp snd`
`20:02.25`	`Kivin`	`Firelemming: I've been tackling it for my own uses lately. What's the problem?`
`20:02.34`	`Firelemming`	`then how do i create a dropdown list, im trying now for 3 hours and its driving me insane`
`20:02.42`	`Kivin`	`fire, hang on a sec`
`20:03.13`	`Firelemming`	`i tryed the example on wowwiki. and it does show a box with a arrow but no text in it and it doesnt work when i click it`
`20:04.17`	`Firelemming`	`i looked at other addon Atlas, WorldMap (from blizzard) stuff like that, copyed it over edited the names of the frames and functions, and got the same effect`
`20:04.48`	`_rane`	`all right, thanks for the answers`
`20:04.49`	`Kivin`	`Firelemming: http://ace.pastey.net/81260`
`20:04.53`	`Kivin`	`that's the implementation i'm using`
`20:05.39`	`Firelemming`	`hmm is it possible to make it xml like? thats how im making my window atm`
`20:05.55`	`Kivin`	`Can't help you, sorry. Never used the XML to any degree of success.`
`20:06.23`	`Firelemming`	`ill try that code out, lets see what happens, ty allready`
`20:06.28`	`Kivin`	`best i can suggest is just create a plain <Frame inherits="UIDropDownMenuTemplate">`
`20:06.37`	`Kivin`	`and adapt my code for your <OnLoad> handler`
`20:07.21`	`Firelemming`	`yeah, something like that`
`20:08.06`	`Kivin`	`my Initialize function is a bit weird because the frame is getting created based on a config table. I'll strip out the configtable stuff`
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`20:09.46`	`Firelemming`	`never thought that creating a dropdown box could be so difficult :S`
`20:10.12`	`dylanm`	`That's why you don't work at Blizzard :D`
`20:11.13`	`Firelemming`	`rofl`
`20:11.14`	`Kivin`	`Firelemming: http://ace.pastey.net/81262`
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`20:11.26`	`Kivin`	`that should be a little less specific to the addon it's being used in`
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`20:11.31`	`Kivin`	`and more xml compatible`
`20:12.55`	`Firelemming`	`btw im using this atm: http://ace.pastey.net/81263`
`20:13.44`	`Kivin`	`First, take out the DropDownMenu_Initialize() function, and replace it with RBTDropDown.initialize = RBTDropdown_Initialize`
`20:14.00`	`Kivin`	`calling DDM_Initialize() just does the same thing, plus some clunky blizzard overhead`
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`20:14.28`	`Kivin`	`second, is there only supposed to be one item in your drop down list?`
`20:15.22`	`Firelemming`	`that select(I, ...) is a error, should be changed to "test". and yes for now i just want to create the damm box, then i will fill it with real data`
`20:15.41`	`Kivin`	`that's why i asked, the select() doesn't make sense in that context`
`20:15.46`	`Kivin`	`also, the info.func is wrong`
`20:16.00`	`Kivin`	`unless RuinBossTactics:Hydross() returns a function pointer, it wont work`
`20:16.06`	`Kivin`	`You should be using RuinBossTactics.Hydross`
`20:16.11`	`Kivin`	`no brackets`
`20:16.20`	`Firelemming`	`or RuinBossTactics_Hydross?`
`20:16.28`	`Kivin`	`if that's the exact name of your function`
`20:16.37`	`Kivin`	`if Hydross is a member of table RuinBosstactics, then do it my way`
`20:16.53`	`Kivin`	`and set arg1 = RuinBossTactics`
`20:17.13`	`Firelemming`	`its just a function that doesnt do much other then print -.-`
`20:17.37`	`Kivin`	`you're calling the function at info.func, rather than giving info.func a pointer TO the function`
`20:17.50`	`Firelemming`	`hmm, yes. realising that now`
`20:17.56`	`Firelemming`	`ouch`
`20:18.13`	`Kivin`	`you want "Set info.func to Hyross in RuinBossTactics", not "Set info.func to the return value of RBT:Hydross()"`
`20:18.29`	`Kivin`	`here, let me give you a revision pastey`
`20:18.42`	`Firelemming`	`that would be "ace" ;)`
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`20:19.11`	`neenee`	`nice name Firelemming :)`
`20:19.22`	`Firelemming`	`thank you`
`20:19.57`	`neenee`	`:)`
`20:20.06`	`Firelemming`	`im the only one that has that name on the EU servers :)`
`20:20.12`	`neenee`	`Cool :)`
`20:20.25`	`Kivin`	`http://ace.pastey.net/81264`
`20:21.02`	`Kivin`	`When an item is selected from the list, RuinBossTactics.Hydross(RuinBossTactics, key) will be called`
`20:21.10`	`Kivin`	`which is the same as RuinBossTactics:Hydross(key)`
`20:21.39`	`Firelemming`	`awesome, lets see what happens`
`20:21.47`	`Kivin`	`I'm not sure when _Update() gets called or the semantics behind that handler.`
`20:22.19`	`NeoTron`	`does anyone know of a loot tracker that can export loot info to eqdkp other than CT_RaidTracker (modifieD)?`
`20:22.23`	`Firelemming`	`hmm still doesnt work. bah maybe my xml is going wrong`
`20:22.33`	`NeoTron`	`CTRT seems to completely fail to assign loot correctly in Hyjal and I can't figure out why`
`20:23.19`	`Firelemming`	`i havent found a different one, my best thing that every worked was paper and a pen`
`20:23.45`	`Firelemming`	`every=ever`
`20:25.32`	`Firelemming`	`WOOOT`
`20:25.46`	`Kivin`	`Firelemming: incoming new pastey`
`20:25.47`	`Firelemming`	`are you a girl kivin?`
`20:25.49`	`Kivin`	`negative`
`20:25.58`	`Firelemming`	`sry, i wont give you a kiss then`
`20:26.04`	`Firelemming`	`works now :)`
`20:26.06`	`Kivin`	`did it work?`
`20:26.08`	`Kivin`	`oh, okay`
`20:26.19`	`Kivin`	`Just in time,too. Pastey just crapped out`
`20:26.21`	`Firelemming`	`well i get the drop downlist`
`20:26.34`	`Firelemming`	`cant select anything tbh`
`20:26.46`	`Kivin`	`http://pastebin.com/m28f7efa0 <- this is what i was going to show you`
`20:26.59`	`Kivin`	`in your xml, you want only one handler`
`20:27.16`	`Kivin`	`<OnLoad> return RBTDropDown_OnLoad() </OnLoad>`
`20:27.27`	`NeoTron`	`OMG lol: http://www.foundmagazine.com/find/2289`
`20:27.49`	`Firelemming`	`no OnClick kivin?`
`20:28.07`	`Kivin`	`info.func = RBTDropDown_OnClick <---`
`20:28.19`	`Firelemming`	`hmm yes`
`20:28.30`	`Kivin`	`the little arrow button comes with it's own blizzard click handler`
`20:28.46`	`Kivin`	`you just need to catch the fallout from clicking one of the popup list items`
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`20:30.13`	`Firelemming`	`o god, this is fantastic!`
`20:30.37`	`Firelemming`	`thank you very very much`
`20:30.46`	`Kivin`	`one more pastey incoming`
`20:30.57`	`Firelemming`	`lol`
`20:31.27`	`Kivin`	`http://pastebin.com/d69f4c622`
`20:31.28`	`bigzero`	`wtb a way to make someone dc in wow`
`20:31.31`	`Kivin`	`added check support to the selected item`
`20:31.53`	`Firelemming`	`ah yes`
`20:32.09`	`bigzero`	`there's this pally that was saved to our heroic instance and left the group but didn't leave the instance. now we can't get a 5th in. got him killed, but there's no release timer`
`20:32.23`	`Kivin`	`bigzero =/ yuck`
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`20:32.52`	`bigzero`	`need to igure out a way to get him to dc`
`20:32.55`	`bigzero`	`figure*`
`20:33.03`	`Firelemming`	`leave group create it again, its a heroic so you are saved`
`20:33.20`	`bigzero`	`yes, but the instance is ull`
`20:33.21`	`Firelemming`	`make sure the leader is one that has the saved instance`
`20:33.22`	`bigzero`	`full`
`20:33.24`	`Firelemming`	`ah`
`20:33.26`	`Firelemming`	`bah`
`20:33.41`	`bigzero`	`!enchant spam filter ftl`
`20:34.00`	`Kivin`	`o.O?`
`20:34.15`	`bigzero`	`i think i could span him with !enchant requests and make him dc due to much bigger spam of whispers from him`
`20:35.13`	`Kivin`	`that's fucking weird. he should get a "you don't belong to this instance's group, you will be sent to ___ in 30 seconds"`
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`20:35.23`	`Firelemming`	`its heroic`
`20:35.26`	`Kivin`	`still`
`20:35.30`	`Kivin`	`that even happens in karazhan`
`20:35.40`	`Kivin`	`i know, i got a free ride to shattrath :P`
`20:36.15`	`bigzero`	`yeah, it's kinda weird...`
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`20:36.49`	`bigzero`	`finishing the instance isn't even the point now...`
`20:36.54`	`Firelemming`	`btw kivin, that last edit didnt work. there is no check infront of it when i click it and look at the dropdown table`
`20:37.11`	`bigzero`	`glad i wrote my foreverafk mod... now i can sit here all day too and not let him bring a group as well`
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`20:40.01`	`Kivin`	`Firelemming: Does it error?`
`20:40.11`	`Firelemming`	`strangely enough, no`
`20:40.49`	`Kivin`	`Hmm`
`20:42.16`	`Kivin`	`http://pastebin.com/d15aa3c76 < feel free to try that if you like`
`20:42.31`	`bigzero`	`yay!! we won the waiting game`
`20:43.03`	`kenlyric`	`the waiting game sucks. Let's play hungry hungry hippo`
`20:43.43`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Xinhuan: ping`
`20:44.07`	`Firelemming`	`kivin, the first item does get checked from the start, but it wont change`
`20:44.43`	`Kivin`	`Hmm... then .initialize isn't being called each time to popup is shown`
`20:45.07`	`Kivin`	`Let me look at a blizzard drop down`
`20:45.20`	`Kivin`	`I know of a few minimal ones that aren't covered in garbage code`
`20:46.04`	`Zhinjio`	`use Dewdrop?`
`20:46.08`	`Zhinjio`	`shrug`
`20:46.30`	`Firelemming`	`with xml?`
`20:48.01`	`Firelemming`	`brb going to get a drink`
`20:49.32`	`Firelemming`	`bck`
`20:51.54`	`Kivin`	`when you click an item in the popup list, does the label on the actual frame change?`
`20:52.14`	`Kivin`	`[ label [x]] <- like that?`
`20:52.22`	`Firelemming`	`yup`
`20:52.27`	`Kivin`	`hmm ok`
`20:52.35`	`poleris`	`Cna yuo raed tihs? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can. i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno�t mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deo`
`20:52.45`	`Kivin`	`Yes, I can read it perfectly.`
`20:52.49`	`Kivin`	`Cool, eh?`
`20:52.56`	`Firelemming`	`yep :)`
`20:52.58`	`NivFreak`	`old news`
`20:53.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it'd be easier to read if it wasn't cut off at the end. and really old. and kind of spammy`
`20:53.56`	`Kivin`	`Firelemming: Haven't figured out why it isn't updating correctly, but a few minor corrections: http://pastebin.com/d5ab3a8ce`
`20:54.00`	`Zhinjio`	`the other example of that leaves out a majority of the vowels.`
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`20:55.01`	`Grum`	`rdanieg <-- that one took a while with me`
`20:55.10`	`deltron`	`:P`
`20:55.38`	`Firelemming`	`lol`
`20:57.07`	`Firelemming`	`Kivin: still doesnt work though`
`20:57.32`	`Kivin`	`Firelemming: I wish I knew... My own drop down has the check working correctly and it's got nothing that yours doesn't.`
`20:57.46`	`Firelemming`	`hmm`
`20:57.52`	`Firelemming`	`interresting :P`
`21:00.09`	`Kivin`	`Okay, got an idea`
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`21:01.09`	`Kivin`	`http://pastebin.com/d6aba73b6 <- rl with that, select a different item than the initially checked one, then do a /print RBTDROPDOWN_SelectedItem`
`21:01.25`	`Kivin`	`and let me know what it shows in your chat log`
`21:02.33`	`CIA-48`	`ow`
`21:03.19`	`Firelemming`	`Kivin, when i havent clicked it it says nil, and when i click it and try to change it it still says nil`
`21:04.27`	`Kivin`	`okay, then, arg2 isn't working`
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`21:06.01`	`Kivin`	`http://pastebin.com/d4dedfe87 <- give that a shot. i took out arg1 and bumped arg2 down to it's place`
`21:06.46`	`Kivin`	`Hmm.. I can't imagine that's the problem, though. I use arg1 and arg2 in my own scripts`
`21:06.51`	`Firelemming`	`that worked :P`
`21:06.55`	`Kivin`	`Heh =\`
`21:07.08`	`Firelemming`	`works as intended? lol`
`21:07.13`	`Kivin`	`Guess so :P`
`21:07.49`	`Kivin`	`all you need to do now is change _G. to 'local ' on the fifth line.`
`21:08.02`	`Kivin`	`shouldn't change any behavior. just make it a lil more efficient`
`21:08.18`	`Firelemming`	`_G. makes it global right?`
`21:08.21`	`Kivin`	`yes`
`21:08.50`	`Firelemming`	`and now it stopped working :S`
`21:08.58`	`Kivin`	`I hate to ask, but...`
`21:09.04`	`Kivin`	`Are you putting my code into the <OnLoad>?`
`21:09.08`	`Kivin`	`or into a .lua file?`
`21:09.13`	`Firelemming`	`lua`
`21:09.35`	`Kivin`	`Jesus hell, what a pain in the ass XML is.`
`21:09.40`	`Firelemming`	`<OnLoad>`
`21:09.42`	`Firelemming`	`UIDropDownMenu_Initialize(this, RBTDropDown_Initialize);`
`21:09.44`	`Firelemming`	`</OnLoad>`
`21:09.50`	`Kivin`	`o.O Why do you have that`
`21:10.05`	`Kivin`	`should be <OnLoad>RBTDropDown_OnLoad()</OnLoad>`
`21:10.18`	`Firelemming`	`:O`
`21:11.20`	`Firelemming`	`still, didnt make it work though`
`21:12.06`	`Kivin`	`does all that code exist in the same Lua file? I'm fresh out of ideas.`
`21:12.11`	`Kivin`	`Change it back to _G. to get it working if you like`
`21:13.19`	`Kivin`	`oh dear, wait a minute`
`21:13.43`	`Xinhuan`	`NightHawkTheSane: pong`
`21:15.01`	`Kivin`	`Xinhuan: If you've got a min, mind looking at http://pastebin.com/d4dedfe87 and giving me some wisdom? the drop down works, but the check doesn't`
`21:15.06`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Xinhuan: so, gathermate is nice, but it'd be nice if it could hide, or change the alpha of, nodes on the minimap for professions you;re not currently tracking`
`21:15.23`	`Xinhuan`	`hm`
`21:15.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`possibly also not change the icons into the little circles`
`21:16.28`	`Xinhuan`	`what's not working kivin?`
`21:16.33`	`Kivin`	`info.checked`
`21:16.49`	`Grum`	`NightHawkTheSane: that is something i'd like to see as a toggle as well tbh`
`21:16.55`	`Kivin`	`it doesn't change when an item is clicked in the list`
`21:17.49`	`Xinhuan`	`oh`
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`21:18.52`	`Xinhuan`	`UIDropDownMenu_CreateInfo()`
`21:18.54`	`Xinhuan`	`what does that do`
`21:19.03`	`Kivin`	`Just cleans out a stock table and returns it`
`21:19.11`	`Kivin`	`Ghetto blizzard table recycling`
`21:19.17`	`Xinhuan`	`are you sure?`
`21:19.21`	`Kivin`	`possible`
`21:19.29`	`Kivin`	`let me see`
`21:19.57`	`Kivin`	`http://pastebin.com/m2ec74d17`
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`21:21.19`	`Kivin`	`Firelemming: Does the check behave OK with _G., still?`
`21:21.59`	`Xinhuan`	`so out of curiosity, is the value of`
`21:22.00`	`Xinhuan`	`RBTDROPDOWN_SelectedItem`
`21:22.02`	`Xinhuan`	`correct?`
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`21:22.32`	`Firelemming`	`with _G. works correctly`
`21:22.42`	`Kivin`	`oh, ok`
`21:22.52`	`Kivin`	`um... here's the thing. If he uses #`
`21:22.52`	`Kivin`	`_G.RBTDROPDOWN_SelectedItem = true`
`21:23.09`	`Kivin`	`err, sorry. if he uses that, it works. if he makes RDD_SelectedItem local, it doesn't.`
`21:23.37`	`Xinhuan`	`are you sure that's all the code is ?`
`21:24.24`	`Xinhuan`	`when you make RBTDROPDOWN_SelectedItem a local`
`21:24.29`	`Xinhuan`	`it must be defined above both functions`
`21:24.37`	`Xinhuan`	`so that both functions refer to the same variable`
`21:24.41`	`Kivin`	`yes, exact same pastey but s/_G./locale /`
`21:24.51`	`Kivin`	`local*`
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`21:25.55`	`Xinhuan`	`dunno then, i don't see any other code that modifies RBTDROPDOWN_SelectedItem`
`21:26.01`	`Xinhuan`	`so it must be some orher code he has`
`21:26.10`	`Xinhuan`	`or, he defined the variable in the wrong place`
`21:26.38`	`Kivin`	`okay, then i'm shit out of ideas`
`21:26.39`	`Xinhuan`	`or there's something in the XML we dont know about`
`21:26.44`	`Kivin`	`yeah`
`21:27.26`	`ckknight`	`is CIA-48 down or just slow?`
`21:27.33`	`CIA-48`	`ow`
`21:28.03`	`Firelemming`	`this is my xml for that piece: http://ace.pastey.net/81266`
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`21:29.13`	`Firelemming`	`and this is the complete lua file: http://ace.pastey.net/81267`
`21:30.46`	`Xinhuan`	`(key == RBTDROPDOWN_SelectedItem) and true or nil`
`21:30.51`	`Xinhuan`	`the problem lies with that statement`
`21:30.56`	`Xinhuan`	`it will always return nil`
`21:31.17`	`Xinhuan`	`(condition) and X or Y`
`21:31.22`	`Xinhuan`	`will only work if X is not a boolean`
`21:31.29`	`Kivin`	`lua> local a = 1; print( (a==a) and "true" or "false" )`
`21:31.29`	`lua_bot`	`Kivin: true`
`21:31.41`	`Xinhuan`	`or it will evaluate the whole thing as a boolean`
`21:32.02`	`Xinhuan`	`just change it to`
`21:32.04`	`Xinhuan`	`(key == RBTDROPDOWN_SelectedItem)`
`21:33.01`	`Firelemming`	`right let me test that`
`21:33.19`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> local a = 1; print( (a==a) and true or nil )`
`21:33.19`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: true`
`21:33.23`	`Xinhuan`	`weird`
`21:33.25`	`ckknight`	`wtf is with CIA`
`21:33.36`	`Xinhuan`	`maybe i'm wrong`
`21:33.39`	`ckknight`	`Xinhuan: how is that at all weird?`
`21:33.44`	`Kivin`	`local a = 1; print( ((a==a) and 50) or nil )`
`21:33.50`	`Kivin`	`lua> local a = 1; print( ((a==a) and 50) or nil )`
`21:33.51`	`lua_bot`	`Kivin: 50`
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`21:33.55`	`Xinhuan`	`not weird, well, i just woke up`
`21:34.03`	`Xinhuan`	`so i haven't really washed up yet ;p`
`21:34.55`	`Kivin`	`Just woke up... what time zone are you in?`
`21:35.02`	`Xinhuan`	`gmt+8`
`21:35.05`	`toybreaker`	`Good afternoon Gents and Lasses, I am looking to check on the performance issues that my addons are causing on my CPU and RAM, any ideas?`
`21:35.07`	`Kivin`	`oh, jeez`
`21:35.23`	`Kivin`	`toybreaker: Get PerformanceFu?`
`21:35.23`	`Firelemming`	`fu_usage`
`21:35.33`	`ckknight`	`toybreaker: PerformanceFu or another addon like it`
`21:35.38`	`toybreaker`	`gmt..man that is me too...I have been up 8 hours...where do you work, I think i need a new job`
`21:35.43`	`toybreaker`	`ok cool`
`21:35.49`	`toybreaker`	`thanks, I have not tried that`
`21:36.03`	`toybreaker`	`I tried warmup but heard it was not very accurate`
`21:36.19`	`Ellipsis`	`warmup measures something different`
`21:36.26`	`toybreaker`	`load times correct`
`21:36.28`	`toybreaker`	`?`
`21:36.40`	`bigzero`	`this is gay... the quest item for the heroic daily didn't drop for our group after having to fight for the instance with the retarded pally for like an hour`
`21:36.50`	`Kivin`	`Xinhuan: Beijing/Hong Kong??`
`21:36.52`	`Kivin`	`-?`
`21:36.56`	`Xinhuan`	`singapore`
`21:37.05`	`Kivin`	`ah, ok`
`21:37.07`	`exor\|zzz`	`bigzero: fight for the instance?`
`21:37.26`	`bigzero`	`pally left group, but wouldn't zone out, so we couldn't get a 5th in`
`21:38.39`	`bigzero`	`anyhow.... time to go home`
`21:39.00`	`toybreaker`	`as apposed to what?`
`21:39.00`	`Kivin`	`o/`
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`21:40.47`	`Kivin`	`Fracking bloody Armory. Been trying to rebuild lootzor's tables all afternoon and it's taking forever`
`21:41.18`	`toybreaker`	`one more quick question. I have been toying with going in to the dev world of addons and was curious if ya all knew of any tutorials that would get me on the right track`
`21:41.34`	`Firelemming`	`www.wowwiki.com`
`21:41.51`	`Kivin`	`Pitch a tend at wowwiki; you're going to be there a while`
`21:41.56`	`Kivin`	`s/tend/tent/`
`21:42.22`	`toybreaker`	`cool, thanks.`
`21:42.24`	`Firelemming`	`www.wowace.com also nice`
`21:42.39`	`Firelemming`	`look at tutorials for the the ace things`
`21:42.44`	`Kivin`	`Piggybacking off one of the many frameworks available may make things a bit easier`
`21:43.01`	`toybreaker`	`ok great`
`21:43.11`	`Firelemming`	`Piggybacking? whats that?`
`21:43.24`	`Kivin`	`latching on to said framework`
`21:43.32`	`Kivin`	`letting it carry you along`
`21:43.32`	`Sais`	`"extending" ;)`
`21:43.36`	`toybreaker`	`kinda like bare but at a farm? oh gawd, i didn tjust say that sorry to anyone offended :)`
`21:43.37`	`KarlThePagan`	`using a library`
`21:43.47`	`Firelemming`	`ah ok`
`21:44.05`	`toybreaker`	`thanks for the framework Idea..`
`21:44.10`	`Kivin`	`Ace2 is the most widely used but it's becoming deprecated for the upcoming Ace3 which is nearing beta`
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`21:44.12`	`*** mode/#wowace [+v Tekkub] by ChanServ`
`21:44.32`	`toybreaker`	`do you think there will be a big difference?`
`21:44.41`	`HotFO-blama`	`is there a damager meter md that records damage and nothing else? assesmnent is too bloated`
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`21:44.51`	`toybreaker`	`If I start going doing the ace2 road will i find myself lost in 3?`
`21:44.54`	`Kivin`	`HotFO-blama: Try recap?`
`21:44.56`	`Ellipsis`	`HotFO-blama: I like Violation for that`
`21:45.14`	`Kivin`	`toybreaker: Ace2 and Ace3 are nearly identical in sytax. Ace3 is mainly intended to be more lightweight and robust.`
`21:45.28`	`toybreaker`	`ahh..well that is good`
`21:45.44`	`Sais`	`What are the big differences between -2 and -3? How is it going to affect the current crop of addons - especially those that aren't really being maintained?`
`21:46.09`	`Kivin`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Differences_from_Ace2_to_Ace3`
`21:46.10`	`Kivin`	`^`
`21:46.29`	`Sais`	`heh. Should have known there'd be a wiki article on that ;D`
`21:46.40`	`Kivin`	`Indeed`
`21:46.59`	`Kivin`	`A lot of it is technical jargon that assumes knowledge of Ace2. But the first two lines basically sum it up.`
`21:47.37`	`Kivin`	`Some of the facets of Ace2 are so complicated that they're still not bugfree, years after they were written. Ace3 has been stripped to the bones and written the way ace2 was supposed to be.`
`21:48.03`	`kenlyric`	`well, until someone tries to make it robust.`
`21:48.09`	`Sais`	`Hmm. I have mIRC scripts that are way overdue for that, too :)`
`21:48.23`	`Kivin`	`god mIRC scripts are suicide`
`21:48.26`	`kenlyric`	`Ace2 was the what Ace2 was supposed to be`
`21:48.49`	`Kivin`	`I need to relearn how to write mIRC scripts`
`21:48.54`	`kenlyric`	`until people tried to make it do everything.`
`21:48.58`	`Kivin`	`few things i'd like my client to do`
`21:49.06`	`Sais`	`shush. I sem to be better at writing mIRC scripts than anything else atm :\|`
`21:49.11`	`Sais`	`seem*`
`21:49.27`	`Kivin`	`How do I join #wowace and message nickserv with an identify when i log onto freenode?`
`21:49.29`	`Sais`	`Well, if you need a hand...`
`21:49.47`	`Sais`	`on me:*:JOIN:#wowace:msg nickserv .....`
`21:50.02`	`kenlyric`	`hmmm.`
`21:50.17`	`Ellipsis`	`Sais, that's not right`
`21:50.22`	`Sais`	`oh. or shove the msg nickserv into perform and add a join #wowace`
`21:50.23`	`Ellipsis`	`on several levels`
`21:50.28`	`Ellipsis`	`Kivin: just add the commands to perform`
`21:50.32`	`Sais`	`Ellipsis: I misread the question`
`21:50.39`	`Ellipsis`	`yes but your script won't even run`
`21:50.40`	`Kivin`	`<- knows nothing about mirc.`
`21:50.59`	`Sais`	`Ellipsis: It will should he join #wowace`
`21:51.02`	`HotFO-blama`	`anyone know what this error is http://ace.pastey.net/81268`
`21:51.15`	`Ellipsis`	`no, it won't. you got the syntax for the JOIN event wrong.`
`21:51.23`	`thul`	`PERFURM`
`21:51.27`	`Sais`	`Ellipsis: Where?`
`21:51.44`	`Ellipsis`	`it's on *:JOIN:...`
`21:51.45`	`Sais`	`me: ?`
`21:51.48`	`Ellipsis`	`you added an extra :`
`21:51.55`	`Ellipsis`	`and "me" wouldn't be a valid access level for most people`
`21:51.55`	`Sais`	`nah. me: is valid`
`21:52.03`	`Sais`	`honestly :D`
`21:52.06`	`Kivin`	`Okay, so, where do I put this?`
`21:52.31`	`Sais`	`kivin: alt-o connect->options [perform]`
`21:52.43`	`Stanzilla`	Kaelten: Repository paused due to error - class com.cenqua.fisheye.rep.u: org.tigris.subversion.javahl.ClientException: RA layer request failed svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/wowace' svn: PROPFIND of '/wowace': Could not resolve hostname `svn.wowace.com': Host not found (http://svn.wowace.com)
`21:52.50`	`Ellipsis`	`Sais: the "me" access level is not defined for most people`
`21:52.56`	`Ellipsis`	`if you added it, it will work for you`
`21:53.00`	`Sais`	`add or select the freenode network`
`21:53.21`	`Sais`	`Ellipsis: It isn't a userlevel. it's a prefix. It's well hidden in the helpfile.`
`21:53.21`	`HotFO-blama`	`anyone know what this error is http://ace.pastey.net/81268`
`21:53.27`	`Kivin`	`what i want is on connecting to freenode, i want to auto join #wowace and msg nickserv`
`21:53.52`	`Sais`	`Kivin: Once you've done those, add your nickserv command, and then your join command.`
`21:54.06`	`Kivin`	`sais, please be explicit`
`21:54.09`	`Ellipsis`	`Sais: perhaps in a recent version, it doesn't exist on mine though`
`21:54.11`	`Kivin`	`I know literally nothing about mirc scripts`
`21:54.22`	`Ellipsis`	`and standard syntax is better for a simple script like that`
`21:54.36`	`vithos`	`you can just use your nickserv password as a connect password for the server`
`21:54.38`	`Sais`	`Ellipsis: Which version is that? It's been in since early 6.x`
`21:54.44`	`Sais`	`at least. If not before`
`21:54.45`	`Ellipsis`	`I run 6.03`
`21:54.49`	`Firelemming`	`still havent recieved any info about my request for a SVN account :(`
`21:54.53`	`*** join/#wowace what-K (i=v0dKa@xdsl-81-173-144-166.netcologne.de)`
`21:55.06`	`Ellipsis`	`Firelemming: be patient, it takes a while`
`21:55.09`	`what-K`	`hi all`
`21:55.11`	`Sais`	`Kivin: type alt-o, find the connect->options tab`
`21:55.19`	`what-K`	`i look for an addon to block goldspam`
`21:55.22`	`Kivin`	`Sais: I know how to get to perform, now. I dont' know the script`
`21:55.30`	`Kivin`	`what-K: try KivinSpamGuard`
`21:55.30`	`what-K`	`someone knows a good ?`
`21:55.33`	`Firelemming`	`what-Kspamsentry`
`21:55.35`	`Ellipsis`	`Kivin: just add any command like you'd type it normally`
`21:55.39`	`Sais`	`Ah, OK. You have the network added/selected?`
`21:55.39`	`Ellipsis`	`e.g. /join #wowace`
`21:55.44`	`Kivin`	`Ellipsis: ok`
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`21:56.03`	`Osstia`	`bah mirc`
`21:56.39`	`Sais`	`Ah. An irssi-user. :D (As am I, too)`
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`21:57.36`	`HotFO-blama`	`anyone know what this error is http://ace.pastey.net/81268`
`21:58.19`	`Kivin`	`Yes, we all know what that error is. It's "Babble-Boss-2.2: Translation "Panzor the Invisible" does not exist"`
`21:58.51`	`cncfanatics`	`Kivin: you're funny`
`21:58.57`	`Kivin`	`thanks`
`21:59.35`	`what-K`	`Kivin how can i setup ur addon ?`
`21:59.58`	`Kivin`	`what-K: fire and forget. install it and you shouldn't need to touch it again`
`22:00.15`	`what-K`	`thx :D`
`22:00.30`	`Kivin`	`. /sg if you want to enable/disable filtering general/trade/guildrecruit`
`22:00.33`	`Osstia`	`it works quite well`
`22:00.48`	`Kivin`	`Complete rewrite in ace3 coming out in < 1 wk`
`22:00.58`	`Kivin`	`If I decide to not be lazy`
`22:01.07`	`what-K`	`thx now i have a button at the minimap names addon preferences who can i remove it ?`
`22:01.15`	`Kivin`	`yes, click on it, then...`
`22:01.16`	`Kivin`	`uhh`
`22:01.17`	`Kivin`	`sec`
`22:01.33`	`Kivin`	`in the big config screen, uncheck "Show minimap icon"`
`22:01.53`	`Firelemming`	`what is that addon called?`
`22:02.03`	`Kivin`	`spamguard?`
`22:02.05`	`Firelemming`	`ah`
`22:02.18`	`Firelemming`	`beter then spamsentry?`
`22:02.26`	`Kivin`	`Depends on what you're looking for`
`22:02.43`	`Osstia`	`its a lot lighter weight, but doesn't do as much`
`22:02.45`	`Kivin`	`If you want options and flashy stuff on your screen, go with spamsentry`
`22:02.57`	`Firelemming`	`remove the damm city gold spam from the chat`
`22:02.58`	`Kivin`	`spamguard is specifically intended to be as unnoticable as possible`
`22:03.08`	`Killmore2`	`if I dont want to see a little lvl1 gnome jumping in IF spamming for selling gold, what I need ?`
`22:03.18`	`Kivin`	`either will work`
`22:04.58`	`Sais`	`Ellipsis: fyi, the me: prefix has been in since v3.8, I'm told.`
`22:05.25`	`Ellipsis`	`o rly?`
`22:05.39`	`Sais`	`really ;)`
`22:06.08`	`Sais`	`This is what I get for hanging out on #mIRC on multiple networks. Useless trivia.`
`22:06.16`	`Ellipsis`	`indeed o.O;;`
`22:06.30`	`Pkekyo\|`	`g'morning all :)`
`22:07.16`	`Kivin`	yawn... I'm not going to make it to raid time. Kivin is a sleepy panda `.`
`22:08.09`	`Sais`	`Kivin is a panda???`
`22:08.15`	`Kivin`	`truth`
`22:08.43`	`Sais`	`red or regular?`
`22:08.53`	`Firelemming`	`i love panda's`
`22:08.59`	`Kivin`	`http://www.blizzard.com/images/samwise/panda-thumb.jpg <-`
`22:09.20`	`Sais`	`Ohh....you're that panda?`
`22:09.36`	`Sais`	`Or, indeed, them pandas ;)`
`22:10.40`	`thul`	`i want a ninja turtle`
`22:11.37`	`Sais`	`That looks more like a Samurai Panda than a Ninja Turtle, tbh ;)`
`22:11.55`	`Sais`	`Though maybe it's a Ninja Turtle in disguise`
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`22:16.36`	`Kivin`	`bb4wins system tray is a peice of garbage`
`22:16.45`	`vithos`	`yes, yes it is`
`22:16.59`	`Kivin`	`things randomly dissapear from it, never to be seen again`
`22:17.02`	`vithos`	`i wish the kde4 for windows stuff came with the actual desktop`
`22:17.08`	`Sais`	`(Your login thinggy working now?)`
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`22:17.15`	`Kivin`	`Sais, yes thank you`
`22:17.26`	`Sais`	`good ;)`
`22:17.29`	`Ellipsis`	`Kivin: I have to agree with you there`
`22:17.44`	`Ellipsis`	`it's been slightly less fail since rebooting, but...meh`
`22:17.45`	`Kivin`	`dissapointing as hell, it is, because I really like the look of bb4w otherwise`
`22:17.46`	`Sais`	`Mine doesn't cos the damn proxy doesn't identify the network correctly :(`
`22:18.02`	`thul`	`I used it for like 6 months`
`22:18.05`	`thul`	`before using litestep`
`22:18.52`	`neenee`	`Litestep. I once made two themes for that`
`22:18.58`	`neenee`	`long long ago`
`22:19.45`	`Kivin`	`http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4308/desktop1bp9.jpg < that's what i came up with for bb4w`
`22:20.02`	`Kivin`	`the mirc systray icon randomly dissapears and uTorrent's tray icon never shows, ever`
`22:20.06`	`neenee`	`But it's mainly wallpaper`
`22:20.34`	`thul`	`I was rocking kahakai, waimea, blackbox and fluxbox in the good old days`
`22:20.39`	`neenee`	`I prefer minimalism myself though`
`22:20.51`	`neenee`	`I used Ion as my window manager in linux`
`22:21.09`	`thul`	`http://thul.yazzy.org/ ftw`
`22:21.10`	`thul`	`:-P`
`22:21.45`	`Kivin`	`Well over my head`
`22:22.31`	`vithos`	`i like wmii`
`22:22.57`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Kivin: bb4w?`
`22:23.03`	`Kivin`	`blackbox 4 windows`
`22:23.34`	`haste`	`I also use wmii`
`22:23.38`	`haste`	`with wmiirc-lua`
`22:23.43`	`Kivin`	`what's wmii?`
`22:23.43`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Kivin: which is what, exactly? :p`
`22:23.50`	`Kivin`	`Pkekyo\|: replacement windows shell`
`22:23.50`	`haste`	`dynamic window manager`
`22:23.54`	`Pkekyo\|`	`oh`
`22:23.58`	`Kivin`	`see the screenshot`
`22:24.03`	`Pkekyo\|`	`so basicly a reskin?`
`22:24.11`	`thul`	`well, no`
`22:24.13`	`thul`	`another shell`
`22:24.15`	`NivFreak`	`any compat issues? :)`
`22:24.17`	`haste`	`Kivin: http://www.suckless.org/wiki/wmii`
`22:24.22`	`Sais`	`UI, rather than shell`
`22:24.22`	`Pkekyo\|`	`what's the difference?`
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`22:24.40`	`neenee`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_(window_manager) =]`
`22:24.55`	`Sais`	`Yeah - WM, even better.`
`22:24.57`	`haste`	`I never tried ion, since the author seemed like a real jerk :p`
`22:25.07`	`haste`	`so I jsut went for wmii first, and used it ever since`
`22:25.13`	`neenee`	`I had no problems with him`
`22:25.27`	`neenee`	`Did you speak with the author of wmii to make sure he wasn't someone you disliked?`
`22:25.45`	`haste`	`I've read the mailing lists only :p`
`22:25.50`	`neenee`	`Ah.`
`22:26.04`	`haste`	`but when the author says he will close the source, and fuck all of linux.. you kinda don't want to give it a whirl`
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`22:26.22`	`NivFreak`	`I'm still a fluxbox fan`
`22:26.24`	`neenee`	`I like the WM, regardless of the author`
`22:26.45`	`haste`	`usually me too`
`22:27.00`	`haste`	`but there are cases wehre I'll rather just avoid the software`
`22:27.01`	`Pkekyo\|`	`thul: elaboroate, what's the difference?`
`22:27.48`	`Kivin`	`Pkekyo\|: An application like windowsblinds reskins the explorer shell. bb4w actually shuts down explorer and replaces it's functionality`
`22:27.56`	`thul`	`Pkekyo\|: a skin is just the "clothes", a shell is the entire man`
`22:28.22`	`Kivin`	`notice the screenshot < http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4308/desktop1bp9.jpg > has no desktop icons, taskbar, start menu, etc. that's because there's no explorer.exe`
`22:28.39`	`Pkekyo\|`	`so...what's the difference? how is shells better than explorer.exe?`
`22:28.50`	`Kivin`	`I just like the look of it`
`22:28.52`	`Kivin`	`It's minimal`
`22:29.05`	`NivFreak`	`what's it use for a file browser?`
`22:29.11`	`Kivin`	`explorer, still`
`22:29.20`	`Kivin`	`i've found nothing that i like to replace it`
`22:29.34`	`thul`	`i have used a few alternatives`
`22:30.09`	`vithos`	`dolphin is nice but buggy`
`22:30.20`	`Pkekyo\|`	`if you only like the look of it, why not just reskin explorer?`
`22:30.26`	`Kivin`	`the file browser besides, bb4w lets me be equally or more productive than I was with vanilla windows, without the stacks of desktop icons`
`22:30.39`	`Kivin`	`Pkekyo\|: look at the screenie again. that's not a bit like explorer.`
`22:30.43`	`Kivin`	`windowsblinds couldn't do what i've done`
`22:30.54`	`troubit`	`i'd like to report a bug in smartqueue. could anyone let me know how/where i should do this?`
`22:31.13`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Kivin: like what? small taskbar ..?`
`22:31.27`	`Zariel`	`whats the tooltip called when you mouse over items ?`
`22:31.38`	`Kivin`	`GameTooltip`
`22:32.01`	`Kivin`	`1. small taskbar. 2. multiple desktop workspaces (i can isolate some running programs in a background workspace)`
`22:32.15`	`Kivin`	`there's a really cool right click menu that lets me access just about anything from a click`
`22:32.50`	`Sais`	`You have a URL?`
`22:32.50`	`Kivin`	`start menu, quicklaunch, all my hard drives, control panel, and desktop from a r-click`
`22:32.55`	`Kivin`	`google bb4w`
`22:32.57`	`Sais`	`Or should I just google?`
`22:32.59`	`Sais`	`kk`
`22:33.03`	`Kivin`	`not a clue where i got it`
`22:33.07`	`Sais`	`heh`
`22:33.18`	`Kivin`	`i'm actually using a modified version of it that Arrowmaster pointed me to`
`22:33.50`	`Kivin`	`BBClean is what I'm using`
`22:33.54`	`Kivin`	`http://www.bb4win.org/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.6`
`22:34.20`	`Sais`	`cheers. I might play with that, too.`
`22:34.31`	`Kivin`	`groovy`
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`22:34.44`	`Kivin`	`a good portion of the settings are in text files, so be prepared for a bit of config`
`22:35.04`	`Sais`	`That's where I like config settings :D`
`22:35.13`	`Kivin`	`I'm a complete backbirth with this stuff and I managed to get it working in an hour or such, so it can't be that bad.`
`22:35.21`	`Zariel`	`Gief bblean x64 support :(`
`22:35.58`	`Kivin`	`Would very much like to see the project get picked up`
`22:36.05`	`Kivin`	`dissapointing as hell that it hasn't been maintained`
`22:36.51`	`Pkekyo\|`	`is my body trying to tell me something? EVERYTHING tastes like booze`
`22:37.03`	`Kivin`	`ew o_O`
`22:38.43`	`Pkekyo\|`	`seems I need to get drunk`
`22:38.45`	`Pkekyo\|`	`meh`
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`22:46.19`	`neenee`	`Ah, to be young and not care about braincells dying..`
`22:46.33`	`Sais`	`lol`
`22:46.54`	`Sais`	`If only.`
`22:48.48`	`Ellipsis`	`woo, sexytime!`
`22:48.58`	`thul`	`<- sexy`
`22:49.02`	`thul`	`but ok`
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`22:51.19`	`Pkekyo\|`	`best entertainment evarr tbh`
`22:51.32`	`Zariel`	`http://ace.pastey.net/81276`
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`22:51.43`	`Zariel`	`')' expected near 'function' why?`
`22:52.18`	`Xinhuan`	`you missed a comma`
`22:52.22`	`Xinhuan`	`on line 1`
`22:52.43`	`toybreaker`	`what is the purpose of these pasty things? to ave other proof your code?`
`22:52.48`	`Xinhuan`	`also`
`22:52.50`	`Xinhuan`	`factor out the`
`22:52.51`	`Xinhuan`	`GameTooltip:GetItem()`
`22:52.53`	`Xinhuan`	`on line 2 and 3`
`22:53.04`	`Xinhuan`	`into a local = self:GetItem()`
`22:53.13`	`Xinhuan`	`and change the function() to function(self)`
`22:53.31`	`Xinhuan`	`and change line 5 to self as well`
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`22:53.41`	`Tinyboom`	`lol`
`22:53.52`	`Xinhuan`	`also, you should be hooking OnShow, not overwriting the script`
`22:53.57`	`Tinyboom`	`Xinhuan the proofreader:p`
`22:54.15`	`Xinhuan`	`so do a GetScript() and hook that if necessary`
`22:54.37`	`Xinhuan`	`or use HookScript()`
`22:54.54`	`Xinhuan`	`in this case, OnShow is defined for GTT , so you don't have to use GetScript to check for its existence`
`22:55.14`	`toybreaker`	`omg, and i thought maybe i could get into this addon writing thing`
`22:55.37`	`YourMomsHero`	`toybreaker: the point of pastey is so people don't post actual code in irc`
`22:55.49`	`toybreaker`	`would it work the way it wa and these are optimization tips?`
`22:55.52`	`toybreaker`	`ahh..cool`
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`22:56.15`	`Xinhuan`	`these are tips to make it work :)`
`22:56.58`	`toybreaker`	`ok. thanks`
`22:57.08`	`Ellipsis`	`o.O`
`22:57.11`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I need to find my skateboard`
`22:58.20`	`Pkekyo\|`	`nah, it's only about five below or something`
`22:58.49`	`Osstia`	`C or F?`
`22:59.03`	`Pkekyo\|`	`C`
`22:59.22`	`Osstia`	`oh dan, its colder than that here`
`22:59.28`	`Osstia`	`s/dan/damn/`
`22:59.46`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Osstia: how many c? :)`
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`23:00.14`	`Osstia`	`-7 was the high I think`
`23:00.23`	`Pkekyo\|`	`the warmest?`
`23:00.34`	`Osstia`	`-12 when i came to work`
`23:00.36`	`Osstia`	`yeah`
`23:01.02`	`Pkekyo\|`	`where? finland? siberia?`
`23:01.11`	`toybreaker`	`hehe`
`23:01.11`	`Osstia`	`utah`
`23:01.38`	`Pkekyo\|`	`you have winter in the us? holy dongjob`
`23:01.52`	`Osstia`	`uhhh, yes`
`23:02.13`	`Pkekyo\|`	`oh, right, alaska`
`23:03.25`	`Keias`	`Northern US gets slow during winters.`
`23:03.29`	`Keias`	`Nothing THAT cold though`
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`23:04.22`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I miss the good old days tbh...6-10 below and 6 feet snow :<`
`23:04.26`	`Osstia`	`Keias: we get to -5 or so a few days each year (F that is). but its been 15-25 degrees since mid december.`
`23:06.06`	`Keias`	`Past couple weeks have been single digit F here (northern indiana)`
`23:06.09`	`Keias`	`But it's not that bad really`
`23:06.29`	`Keias`	`I think we've only had one night where it actually dropped below 0`
`23:06.55`	`Osstia`	`Do you guys get much snow?`
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`23:08.00`	`Pkekyo\|`	`geif snow :<`
`23:08.13`	`syeren`	`Does anyone have any knowledge on Pitbull layouts?`
`23:08.25`	`syeren`	`I'm trying to achieve something with the Party pet frames :p`
`23:08.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`so...what job should I get next year?`
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`23:09.41`	`Keias`	`We never get that much snow`
`23:09.46`	`Keias`	`Rare to see more than maybe 6 inches`
`23:10.31`	`NeoTron`	`Keias: when you said that my mind immediately moved to spam for some reason`
`23:11.15`	`Pkekyo\|`	`6 inches? fuck me sideways, haven't seen that for years`
`23:12.07`	`Pkekyo\|`	`- and I'm a snowboarder >.<`
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`23:12.46`	`Nerox`	`What exactly are Focus Frames for the mod ag_unitframes?`
`23:13.41`	`SunTsu`	`Nerox: You can put a target into focus. That's a kind of second target`
`23:13.42`	`JoshBorke`	`nerox: for your focus unit, added as part of 2.0`
`23:13.51`	`JoshBorke`	`if you don't know, don't worry ;-)`
`23:14.12`	`Osstia`	`Pkekyo\|: I got 14 inches in my front yard in one storm this week`
`23:14.46`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Osstia: I bloody hate you`
`23:14.46`	`SunTsu`	`Nerox: You can target actions on your focus instead of your target. Like keeping an eye on a sheep and resheep or such`
`23:15.49`	`Nerox`	`Suntsu: how do I go about doing that? It seems my focus frames never show up.`
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`23:16.09`	`SunTsu`	`Nerox: /focus <target> - or bind a key to focus`
`23:16.27`	`SunTsu`	`Nerox: Then you can /cast [target=focus] ...`
`23:16.55`	`SunTsu`	`Nerox: There's even a keybinding to put your focus into target`
`23:17.07`	`JoshBorke`	`Nerox: http://www.wowwiki.com/Focus_target`
`23:19.56`	`*** join/#wowace Sole (n=chatzill@203.173.187.108)`
`23:21.34`	`Nerox`	`Yeah, messed around with it and figured out how to work it. Thanks for the help guys :) It'll help during SSC and such.`
`23:23.22`	`SunTsu`	`Nerox: Yeah, it's quite helpful`
`23:24.04`	`toybreaker`	`I see many lua editors. Is there one you folks prefer over the others? I know the word "best" is subjective so just curious what you prefer`
`23:26.45`	`toybreaker`	`must be busy coding or drinking :)`
`23:26.46`	`Sole`	`I like the look of wowinterface now :)`
`23:26.55`	`Sole`	`I like notepad++`
`23:27.16`	`Sole`	`lua highlighting, function list good nuff :)`
`23:27.31`	`Sole`	`I hear the studio extension is a good one. forget the name`
`23:28.05`	`toybreaker`	`ok cool`
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`23:31.00`	`Raden`	`hello?`
`23:31.19`	`Pkekyo\|`	`hi?`
`23:31.35`	`Raden`	`are there many poeple on herE?`
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`23:32.18`	`Raden`	`hmmm`
`23:32.37`	`Raden`	`i guse no one realy talks..`
`23:33.11`	`Raden`	`?`
`23:33.16`	`Sais`	`You missed the chat about temperature ealier.`
`23:33.30`	`Sole`	`Raden: theres a lot of people here`
`23:33.30`	`Raden`	`temerature?`
`23:33.33`	`Sole`	`its just a quiet time`
`23:33.40`	`Raden`	`why?`
`23:33.49`	`Sais`	`cos it is?`
`23:33.53`	`Raden`	`ok`
`23:33.56`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Raden: on your right there should be a list with arseloads of people in it...get to counting!`
`23:34.02`	`Sole`	`because the regulars are out doing other stuff in some other place?`
`23:34.14`	`Sole`	`hmm`
`23:34.16`	`Sole`	`interesting`
`23:34.19`	`Raden`	`well i was just wanting to get some info`
`23:34.22`	`Sole`	`Theres still no Babble-Auras`
`23:34.27`	`Sole`	`then ask away`
`23:34.36`	`Pkekyo\|`	`~asktoask`
`23:34.37`	`purl`	`This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.`
`23:34.48`	`Sole`	`purl: you suck`
`23:34.48`	`purl`	`and very well I might add`
`23:34.55`	`Sole`	`:=]`
`23:35.02`	`Pkekyo\|`	`^^`
`23:35.30`	`Sole`	`reason I bring up Babble-Auras is because I dont think effects like Cheat Death apply to Babble-Spell`
`23:35.33`	`Raden`	`im want to make and addon, but it would need to use cartographer. im not sure how to go about it`
`23:35.43`	`Sole`	`or the proc off Cheat Death which is Cheating Death`
`23:35.46`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Raden: read the cartographer source code`
`23:36.08`	`Sole`	`depends waht you need to do`
`23:36.16`	`Sole`	`but yeah source code is the best`
`23:36.33`	`Sole`	`tell us what part of cartographer you want to molest`
`23:36.35`	`Raden`	`thats the waypoint adon makes the 3d arrow right?`
`23:36.40`	`Sole`	`a visual aspect or behavioral?`
`23:36.53`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Raden: Cartographer_Waypoint, yes`
`23:37.01`	`Sole`	`thats a module of carto`
`23:37.02`	`Pkekyo\|`	`atleast so I think`
`23:37.13`	`Raden`	`both.. and quest and quest objecices`
`23:37.46`	`Sole`	`so you want the 3d arrow to point to quest objectives and then to point to the npc where you finish the quest/`
`23:38.23`	`Raden`	`prity much but be able to set an order of what u want to do them in`
`23:38.25`	`Pkekyo\|`	`get lightheaded, it allready does that`
`23:38.42`	`Raden`	`lightheaded?`
`23:38.44`	`Sole`	`lightheaded does arrows now too?`
`23:39.07`	`Pkekyo\|`	`it uses the carto plugin`
`23:39.10`	`Raden`	`i just want to set an order of what i want to do..`
`23:39.10`	`Pkekyo\|`	`or something`
`23:39.14`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I'm not quite sure tbh`
`23:39.58`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I've got far too many addons`
`23:40.07`	`Raden`	`is that an ace addon?`
`23:40.18`	`Pkekyo\|`	`is what an ace addon?`
`23:40.22`	`Sole`	`All coordinates should be clickable to add to TomTom or Cartographer_Waypoints if available`
`23:40.25`	`Raden`	`light..`
`23:40.29`	`Sole`	`no`
`23:40.37`	`Sole`	`but its written by Clad and its awesome anyway`
`23:40.43`	`Pkekyo\|`	`237 addons/modules, excluding libs :p`
`23:40.51`	`Zariel`	`is the onyl way to change alpha of a frame SetBackDropColor?`
`23:41.02`	`Sole`	`afaik yeah`
`23:41.05`	`Sole`	`but I dont know a lot :P`
`23:41.14`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Raden: it doesn't have to be written with the Ace framework to be a good addon`
`23:41.23`	`Sole`	`take a look at Tuller's addons`
`23:41.32`	`Raden`	`i know'`
`23:41.34`	`Zariel`	`or Hastes, tekkubs`
`23:41.38`	`Sole`	`Sage is the best unitframe Ive used :)`
`23:41.42`	`toybreaker`	`Pkekya: you play with that many active?`
`23:42.03`	`toybreaker`	`Pkekyo: you play with that many active? (sorry)`
`23:42.09`	`Raden`	`so i need to look at lighheaded?`
`23:42.12`	`Sole`	`is ace3 ready for development?`
`23:42.17`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Raden: well, you could try?`
`23:42.19`	`Sole`	`Raden: yeah`
`23:42.22`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Sole: it's in beta`
`23:42.29`	`Sole`	`so its ready :P`
`23:42.30`	`Pkekyo\|`	`toybreaker: well, there's some class dependant ones, but more or less, yes`
`23:42.37`	`Raden`	`brb`
`23:42.57`	`toybreaker`	`wow..kills my box with that many and my fps drops big time`
`23:43.39`	`Pkekyo\|`	`toybreaker: I don't mind using the memory I've got installed :)`
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`23:44.13`	`Raden`	`were can i find that?`
`23:44.27`	`Pkekyo\|`	`find what?`
`23:44.32`	`Raden`	`light.`
`23:44.50`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Tekkub's (??) googlecode cache?`
`23:45.09`	`Sole`	`lightheaded is by clad`
`23:45.13`	`Sole`	`its on wowinterface.com`
`23:45.17`	`Pkekyo\|`	`cladhaire then`
`23:45.17`	`Sole`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7017-LightHeaded.html`
`23:46.46`	`Chompers`	`sounds like mobmap`
`23:47.28`	`Zariel`	`Xinhuan, any way to change the alpha of a frame and all its children?`
`23:48.59`	`Zariel`	`nm`
`23:49.28`	`Xinhuan`	`alpha multiplies down to its children`
`23:50.04`	`Xinhuan`	`so if ABC is the parent of DEF, and ABC has 0.8 alpha, and DEF has 0.5 alpha, then DEF's overall alpha is 0.4`
`23:50.24`	`Zariel`	`Thanks, was looking at the setbackdrop`
`23:51.04`	`kergoth`	`any hunters around with an owl for a pet?`
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`23:52.04`	`Zariel`	`Kergoth, got 70 yesterday, 8 days playtime :)`
`23:52.13`	`kergoth`	`grats`
`23:52.27`	`kergoth`	`8 days, sheesh`
`23:52.56`	`Zariel`	`Tourguide ftw`
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`23:53.04`	`Zariel`	`i think i spent about 12 hours slacking debugging addons`
`23:53.09`	`CIA-9`	`03merl * r59410 10/branches/mHud/ (Modules/CustomColors/CustomColors.lua mHud.toc todo.txt): mHud: Minor fixes + todo update`
`23:53.39`	`kergoth`	`wow, merl is actually using a branch`
`23:53.42`	`kergoth`	`yay`
`23:53.56`	`kergoth`	`heh, my latest alt is only 51 with 7 days play time.. course i spent a lot of it fishing and crap`
`23:54.20`	`Merl`	`hehe, yeh, but a pain not being able to commit all the time ;)`
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`23:55.04`	`Zariel`	`switch to the branch`
`23:55.28`	`Merl`	`"the branch"? there are more than one?`
`23:57.57`	`CIA-9`	`03pb_ee1 * r59411 10LZProfiler/LZProfiler.lua: LZProfiler: Adding several new access, boss summoners, etc.`
`23:58.35`	`Sole`	`I saw a 70 with 6 days played`
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`23:59.11`	`chiper`	`I am so sick of leveling my shammy. I made the toon to be a healer, I WANT TO HEAL DAMMIT!`
`23:59.29`	`chiper`	`if I wanted to solo I'd play my mage`

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