| 00:00.15 | bigzero | Xinhuan, have you been actually moving your mouse in game? |
| 00:00.21 | Xinhuan | no |
| 00:00.52 | Xinhuan | i specifically avoided that |
| 00:00.52 | Xinhuan | my screen is spammed with |
| 00:00.52 | Xinhuan | "Yu have been inactive for some time..." messages now |
| 00:00.53 | bigzero | oh, then there you go...you've been getting those dialogs but haven'tbeen logged out |
| 00:00.57 | Pkekyo| | bwahahah....my GM: "I just rolled a mage to be an obnoxious cunt in BGs" |
| 00:01.04 | ag` | hey sylvanaar, why did you revert it?:) |
| 00:01.06 | Xinhuan | and uierrors frame is full of "you can't logout now" |
| 00:01.11 | bigzero | yeah, lol |
| 00:01.19 | sylvanaar | was supposed to be on my branch |
| 00:01.19 | Xinhuan | why is this happening hmmm |
| 00:01.27 | Lukian | Xinhuan, you'd you manage to evade autologout? :D |
| 00:01.32 | Lukian | how'd :D |
| 00:01.47 | Xinhuan | i used the code in http://pastey.net/79946 |
| 00:02.05 | bigzero | Xinhuan, you're still afk, so client keeps trying to log you out, but it gets canceled every time |
| 00:02.33 | bigzero | idk about the "you can't logout now" part though |
| 00:02.48 | Xinhuan | i wonder if it'll be easier to do ForceLogout = nil |
| 00:02.53 | Xinhuan | and see if that works |
| 00:02.56 | bigzero | hehe |
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| 00:03.11 | Cavisty^gerber | Lukian, Yes that mod would work perfect, if it could broadcast to raid announce |
| 00:03.32 | Lukian | Cavisty^gerber, that would be a lot of spam without filtering |
| 00:03.40 | bigzero | that's a CVar? |
| 00:03.57 | sylvanaar | ag` alot of people use perffu - so i dont want to change it hastily |
| 00:04.26 | bigzero | Xinhuan, I don't see it used in any of the blizzard's code |
| 00:04.27 | Xinhuan | ok i alt-tabbed in ran ForceLogout = nil |
| 00:04.29 | Cavisty^gerber | Lukian, Yes, is there already an option to filter stuff with it? Or would I have to add that also? |
| 00:04.33 | Xinhuan | now to wait 30 min |
| 00:04.43 | Xinhuan | hmm i guess itwould be called internally |
| 00:04.50 | Lukian | Cavisty^gerber, no filtering option, but there's plenty of users wantingit |
| 00:04.53 | ag` | sylvanaar, ok |
| 00:05.09 | Cavisty^gerber | Lukian, but would there be any way to make it broadcast to RA |
| 00:05.11 | Lukian | Cavisty^gerber, note that whatever you do, 2.4 will probably break it :) |
| 00:05.14 | sylvanaar | ag` it'd probably need some more options and stuff - but feel free to use the branch copy |
| 00:05.18 | Xinhuan | IDLE_MESSAGE = "You have been inactive for some time and will be logged out of the game. If you wish to remain logged in, hit the cancel button."; |
| 00:05.22 | Xinhuan | that is defined |
| 00:05.29 | Xinhuan | in globalstrings.lua |
| 00:06.01 | bigzero | the forcelogout() function call is commented out in blizzzard code |
| 00:07.16 | CIA-8 | 03cossy * r57821 10StatLogicLib/StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: |
| 00:07.16 | CIA-8 | StatLogicLib: |
| 00:07.16 | CIA-8 | - updated deDE |
| 00:07.23 | ag` | I'll test it sylvanaar |
| 00:07.26 | Xinhuan | so even if this prevents you from being logged out, i wonder if blizzard servers has anything on server side to log you out |
| 00:07.59 | Industrial | gms can log you out |
| 00:08.01 | bigzero | that's why i was testing the dc part...but i'm failing at that |
| 00:08.36 | bigzero | Xinhuan, http://pastey.net/79950 that's the only place ForceLogout() is used |
| 00:08.49 | Xinhuan | i noticed, i did a search myself |
| 00:08.51 | bigzero | it's in StaticPopup.lua |
| 00:11.30 | Shirik | I used ForceLogout() once |
| 00:11.38 | Shirik | it was around 1.9 and I totally regret it |
| 00:11.45 | Fin | why? |
| 00:11.50 | Shirik | took me around 18 hours for a GM to finally get me off the server so I could log in again |
| 00:11.53 | Shirik | haven't touched it since |
| 00:12.06 | Shirik | though since then whatever that change was in 1.10/11 should have fixed that problem |
| 00:13.13 | Shirik | "A character with that name already exists" /shiver |
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| 00:13.52 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 00:14.08 | bigzero | hey, here's another idea for an addon...this could be either a module for bugsack or a standalone. More detailed information about taint...in game. Anyone know off the top of their head if that info is supplied for addon purposes? |
| 00:14.42 | Fin | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5531-TaintMapper.html |
| 00:14.44 | bigzero | +Shirik, I've had that message come up after it was supposed to get fixed...wouldn't try forcelogout() if that's really what happened to you |
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| 00:15.02 | Xinhuan | i wonder if it will be easier to just modify the |
| 00:15.03 | Xinhuan | StaticPopupDialogs["CAMP"] = { |
| 00:15.07 | Xinhuan | table directly |
| 00:15.22 | bigzero | that might cause major taint...but try |
| 00:15.44 | Xinhuan | change the timeout to 15 sec, and the onhide function to CancelLogout() |
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| 00:16.17 | bigzero | hmmm, i think it would be more code. you have to make sure you can disable the feature |
| 00:16.28 | bigzero | so you can actually log out outside of the city |
| 00:16.44 | Xinhuan | local oldfunc = StaticPopupDialogs["CAMP"].OnHide |
| 00:16.50 | Xinhuan | StaticPopupDialogs["CAMP"].OnHide = CancelLogout |
| 00:16.55 | Xinhuan | whats so difficult about that? |
| 00:17.04 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 00:17.15 | bigzero | the toggle function is longer :-P |
| 00:17.33 | Xinhuan | if not status then StaticPopupDialogs["CAMP"] = oldfunc end |
| 00:17.35 | Xinhuan | lol? |
| 00:17.41 | bigzero | didn't say it was more complicated...just more code. Why don't you like the current setup? |
| 00:17.50 | Xinhuan | i was thinking |
| 00:17.53 | bigzero | change the timeout too |
| 00:17.59 | Xinhuan | if it only called CancelLogout() every 15 sec |
| 00:18.03 | Xinhuan | then there is less chat spam |
| 00:18.07 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 00:18.30 | Xinhuan | thats simply by changing the onhide func and the timeout |
| 00:18.34 | bigzero | meh, that can be filtered |
| 00:18.50 | Xinhuan | yeah still... |
| 00:18.51 | bigzero | but yes, if that works...I suppose |
| 00:19.42 | bigzero | i guess it wouldn't really taint it more either |
| 00:20.12 | Xinhuan | when your function runs calling |
| 00:20.18 | Xinhuan | static_popup_hide |
| 00:20.23 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 00:20.24 | purl | pong |
| 00:20.27 | Gnarfoz | I once got my chat spammed with that IDLE_MESSAGE because I went AFK in combat |
| 00:20.31 | Xinhuan | it already is running the onhide function tainted |
| 00:20.44 | Gnarfoz | and my client refused to log me out because I was in combat, but 30min auto-afk was telling it to |
| 00:21.21 | bigzero | Xinhuan, yeah, that's what I figured..originally I thought that unhooking could remove the taint, but now i realize you can't unmake a scrambled egg, so yes. worth a shot |
| 00:21.23 | exor674 | Gnarfoz: you went AFK in combat... for 30 minutes? |
| 00:21.25 | Gnarfoz | (was some mob that does 5dmg and I had something that regenerated hp on) |
| 00:21.30 | Gnarfoz | exor674: yes |
| 00:21.32 | Xinhuan | so just need to hook ChatFrame_OnEvent |
| 00:21.42 | Xinhuan | and if arg1 isn't IDLE_MESSAGE, let it pass |
| 00:21.44 | Xinhuan | else return |
| 00:21.45 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 00:22.29 | bigzero | lol |
| 00:23.15 | bigzero | i wonder why they removed the "Camp now" option |
| 00:23.33 | CIA-8 | 03kneeki * r57822 10EasyPet/ (EasyPet.toc Frames.lua anchor.tga): |
| 00:23.33 | CIA-8 | EasyPet: |
| 00:23.33 | CIA-8 | - Updated addon description, added graphics for anchor so it's no longer easily confused. |
| 00:24.29 | Xinhuan | when you click "Exit now" |
| 00:24.37 | Xinhuan | you don't actually leave the game world until 20 secs later |
| 00:25.05 | Xinhuan | you can verify this with other ppl via irc or ventrilo |
| 00:25.13 | Shirik | the reason you can exit immediately is in case you really need to shut down immediately |
| 00:25.19 | Shirik | logging out immediately doesn't make much sense |
| 00:25.25 | Shirik | so I assume that's why they didn't put it in |
| 00:25.29 | Xinhuan | i would just press alt-f4 |
| 00:25.32 | Gnarfoz | exor674: http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/wow/afk.jpg |
| 00:25.33 | Xinhuan | and skip the dialog |
| 00:25.47 | Shirik | but no matter what, if you're not in a resting zone then you will be game for 20 more seconds |
| 00:25.48 | Xinhuan | if i really wanted to exit immediately |
| 00:25.51 | Pkekyo| | DING timbermaw neutral :D |
| 00:26.03 | Shirik | if I really want to exit immediately I do a /print -nil |
| 00:26.19 | Fin | does that break things? |
| 00:26.20 | Ellipsis | I alt-f4 almost every time anyway, faster than anything else :/ |
| 00:26.29 | Ellipsis | also grats Pkekyo| |
| 00:26.33 | Gnarfoz | Ellipsis: it's the same as /exit |
| 00:26.34 | Fin | that's really not good for your system, Ellipsis |
| 00:26.36 | Pkekyo| | thanks Ellipsis :) |
| 00:26.40 | Shirik | Fin: It crashes Lua which results in WoW shutting down immediately |
| 00:26.49 | Ellipsis | Fin: my system is nearly dead anyway :P |
| 00:26.50 | Fin | Gnarfoz: it's not always - I've been unable to /exit before |
| 00:26.55 | Gnarfoz | err |
| 00:26.57 | Fin | Ellipsis: haha, fair enough! :) |
| 00:26.57 | Xinhuan | will it crash clad's bot? |
| 00:27.06 | Fin | Shirik: nasty nasty nasty |
| 00:27.19 | cladhaire | Xinhuan: yeah at the moment |
| 00:27.22 | Gnarfoz | Fin: that was in regard to how long a ghost of your character will be online afterwards |
| 00:27.26 | cladhaire | haven't figured out why the patch wasn't applied on that machine |
| 00:27.27 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 00:27.30 | Xinhuan | nasty |
| 00:27.32 | Fin | Gnarfoz: oh, pardon me :) |
| 00:27.47 | bigzero | Xinhuan, well, there is a reason to logout immediately...quickly switching to alts |
| 00:27.58 | bigzero | i find the 20 sec countdown annoying |
| 00:28.11 | Ellipsis | and as far as /exit, meh |
| 00:28.14 | Fin | just start another copy of WoW |
| 00:28.18 | Ellipsis | it's more typing :P |
| 00:28.39 | bigzero | Fin, i think a "Camp Now" button would be slightly more convenient |
| 00:28.53 | bigzero | considering it's already coded, just commented out |
| 00:29.01 | Fin | hehh |
| 00:29.02 | Fin | -h |
| 00:29.34 | Xinhuan | UIParent.lua |
| 00:29.35 | Shirik | /console logout |
| 00:29.36 | Gnarfoz | anyway, switching to alts for purposes of muling can be done in a city, anyway. for other intents, the 20 sec delay is obviously intentional |
| 00:29.39 | Xinhuan | actually defines a |
| 00:29.41 | Xinhuan | LOGOUT_CANCEL event |
| 00:29.43 | Shirik | "You do not have permission to perform that function" |
| 00:30.08 | Xinhuan | all it does it StaticPopup_Hide("CAMP"); StaticPopup_Hide("QUIT"); return; |
| 00:30.11 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: sounds like the command GM would use to log you out ;) |
| 00:30.38 | bigzero | Xinhuan, yup...that's what gave me the idea to simply hide the popups |
| 00:30.49 | bigzero | Xinhuan, is this what you were aiming at http://pastey.net/79951? |
| 00:30.52 | bigzero | http://pastey.net/79951 |
| 00:31.03 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: so basically, besides a GM contacting you while you're supposedly continously clicking away that popup and you not responding, this is perfect anti-afk? |
| 00:31.12 | Xinhuan | i don't know |
| 00:31.33 | Xinhuan | yes pretty much bigzero |
| 00:31.36 | bigzero | Gnarfoz, you might still get disconnected |
| 00:31.46 | Xinhuan | i am uncertain if there are side effects |
| 00:32.03 | bigzero | we won't know if we won't try... |
| 00:32.18 | bigzero | I'm tempted to reenable the Camp Now Button |
| 00:32.36 | Fin | do it |
| 00:32.37 | Fin | DO IT |
| 00:32.48 | Fin | you know it makes sense |
| 00:32.51 | bigzero | but Shirik scared me |
| 00:32.57 | bigzero | so idk |
| 00:33.03 | Fin | don't listen to him, he's a big pansy |
| 00:33.21 | Xinhuan | what happens if you run ForceLogout |
| 00:33.28 | bigzero | i know...i'll do it on an alt. and see if i get stuck |
| 00:33.30 | Xinhuan | since that's the OnAccept function |
| 00:33.32 | Fin | pansy Shirik McPansyPants is what he was known as at school |
| 00:33.41 | Xinhuan | which doesn't ever get run |
| 00:33.45 | Xinhuan | since they removed that button |
| 00:33.46 | bigzero | Xinhuan, exactly |
| 00:34.31 | Xinhuan | i'm going to afk for 15 min - taking a shower |
| 00:35.04 | Fin | [01:34:00] <Thunder_Child> i can match that though, today i just orderd soemthing online that just arvied in the mail from a previous purchase |
| 00:35.10 | Fin | oops, wrong channel |
| 00:36.02 | bigzero | forcelogout doesn't work |
| 00:36.05 | Shirik | ??! |
| 00:36.09 | Shirik | Why did I scare you away? :( |
| 00:36.15 | bigzero | "you do not have permission to use that function" |
| 00:36.20 | Gnarfoz | http://gigglesugar.com/763273 <- xD |
| 00:36.30 | Shirik | that's for /console logout |
| 00:36.37 | Shirik | And I think that's a GM command actually |
| 00:36.44 | bigzero | and /run ForceLogout() |
| 00:36.45 | Shirik | only thing that makes sense to me |
| 00:37.21 | bigzero | --ForceLogout(); |
| 00:37.21 | bigzero | -- uncomment the next line once forced logouts are completely implemented (they currently have a failure case) |
| 00:37.21 | bigzero | -- this.timeleft = 0; |
| 00:37.31 | bigzero | that's what it says in blizz code |
| 00:37.35 | Shirik | interesting |
| 00:37.35 | cladhaire | its deprecated |
| 00:37.37 | cladhaire | its a noop |
| 00:38.00 | bigzero | cladhaire...but the function still exists |
| 00:38.02 | cladhaire | so says the API reference |
| 00:38.02 | Gnarfoz | probably figured it was better do implement that somewhere outside the user modifiable UI |
| 00:38.04 | cladhaire | :P |
| 00:38.06 | cladhaire | yes |
| 00:38.10 | cladhaire | do you wanrt a list of deprecated functions |
| 00:38.13 | cladhaire | I could easily provide them :P |
| 00:38.13 | Gnarfoz | which... kind of makes sense :D |
| 00:38.51 | bigzero | cladhaire, does deprecated in that context mean not functional any more or should not be used any more |
| 00:39.19 | Gnarfoz | who *doesn't* want random information that serves none but a historical purpose at almost 2am? ;) I certainly do ;D |
| 00:39.48 | cladhaire | well in this list, deprecated means _we_ can't use for anything |
| 00:39.55 | Fin | cladhaire: deprecated functions make me hot! |
| 00:40.01 | Ellipsis | o.o |
| 00:40.12 | cladhaire | http://wow.pastey.net/79952 |
| 00:41.00 | Fin | I think people should use the + thing more on pastey URL pastes |
| 00:41.03 | Fin | eg http://wow.pastey.net/79952+ |
| 00:41.13 | cladhaire | eew |
| 00:41.38 | Fin | ew? |
| 00:41.49 | bigzero | GetTimeToWellRested deprecated? :-/ |
| 00:42.04 | cladhaire | yes |
| 00:42.05 | cladhaire | it is |
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| 00:42.18 | cladhaire | that function could be used to tell you exactly how long you need to remain logged off to get full rested |
| 00:42.25 | cladhaire | but it is a noop |
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| 00:42.43 | bigzero | oh, that's what it did |
| 00:42.48 | cladhaire | yep |
| 00:43.02 | cladhaire | its sad, but after writing the API reference, I know what pretty much every single function does |
| 00:43.06 | cladhaire | and want to stab myself in the eyes |
| 00:44.37 | Shirik | well |
| 00:44.51 | Shirik | you wrote the plurality of it iirc |
| 00:44.57 | cladhaire | sadly, yes |
| 00:45.07 | cladhaire | and now our poor tech editor is single-handedly tech editing it |
| 00:45.10 | cladhaire | such a good goblin he is :P |
| 00:45.40 | Shirik | so apparently the ranch dressing given to me with my salad was actually butter |
| 00:45.48 | cladhaire | umm |
| 00:45.49 | cladhaire | eww |
| 00:45.49 | Ellipsis | that doesn't sound nearly as yummy as ranch |
| 00:45.56 | Shirik | not even close |
| 00:46.01 | bigzero | Fin, Taint Mapper looks nice, but I was thinking more of just seeing what addon causes the "Action blocked by Addon" message |
| 00:46.21 | Shirik | uh |
| 00:46.23 | Shirik | the default UI? |
| 00:46.59 | Ellipsis | imo that really needs to be changed to include the blamed addon's name |
| 00:47.12 | bigzero | Shirik, you mean opening up the taint log? |
| 00:47.14 | Shirik | well when that error message was created that wasn't available :P |
| 00:47.17 | Shirik | bigzero: no? |
| 00:47.27 | Shirik | The big popup that says "An action was blocked by an addon" ? |
| 00:47.39 | bigzero | there's a popup? |
| 00:47.39 | Shirik | Or "A macro script was blocked" |
| 00:47.41 | Shirik | yes |
| 00:47.49 | bigzero | I never get those... |
| 00:47.56 | bigzero | the popups |
| 00:48.10 | cladhaire | a bugsack "feature"? |
| 00:48.17 | Shirik | maybe |
| 00:48.25 | Shirik | I don't use any error handler other than my own so |
| 00:48.41 | bigzero | nope. i have that and it's not popping anything up...maybe there's an option in there that i missed |
| 00:48.47 | Shirik | that's cladhaire's point |
| 00:48.50 | cladhaire | yep |
| 00:48.58 | Shirik | that bugsack is ... "sacking" it |
| 00:50.07 | Fin | bigzero: dunno if it does this, but Resource Tools might have something like that |
| 00:50.10 | Fin | it's pretty funky |
| 00:50.11 | Xinhuan | ok after taking a 15 min shower |
| 00:50.24 | Xinhuan | i come back and noted that my chatlog has been spammed 15 min of IDLE_MESSAGE |
| 00:50.29 | Shirik | lul |
| 00:50.30 | Ellipsis | whoa whoa whoa |
| 00:50.34 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan, how do you have time to shower? |
| 00:50.40 | Xinhuan | from 8.32am to 8.53 am |
| 00:50.45 | Xinhuan | so more than 15 min even |
| 00:50.47 | Ellipsis | bigzero: "filter addon mistakes" in bugsack options, imo |
| 00:51.00 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:51.13 | bigzero | Ellipsis, seems right...thanks |
| 00:51.22 | bigzero | Xinhuan, so your conclusion thus far? |
| 00:51.40 | Xinhuan | it seems to work, and i wonder why nobody has thought of this in the last 3 years |
| 00:51.54 | bigzero | i was thinking the same thing |
| 00:52.09 | cladhaire | Xinhuan: whats it do? |
| 00:52.14 | bigzero | especially with AV and people trying to afk all the time by running into walls |
| 00:52.20 | Xinhuan | prevents you from being afk-logged out |
| 00:52.25 | Xinhuan | so that you can afk online in game forever |
| 00:52.34 | Gnarfoz | you can, from the obvious parts, who knows what kind of other anti-afk measures invisible to our prying eyes there are: |
| 00:52.36 | Shirik | how does it do that? |
| 00:52.36 | Xinhuan | code as follows: http://pastey.net/79946 |
| 00:52.43 | cladhaire | it doesn't stop you from getting flagged as AFK |
| 00:52.45 | Xinhuan | yes, a 17 line addon |
| 00:52.46 | cladhaire | just from getting logged out |
| 00:52.49 | JoshBorke | Xinhuan: expect it to be patched |
| 00:52.51 | cladhaire | i.e. good for enchanters, JC, etc. |
| 00:52.58 | cladhaire | ? |
| 00:53.04 | Shirik | huh |
| 00:53.14 | JoshBorke | the AFK log out is to help server load |
| 00:53.17 | Xinhuan | in fact it doesn't need to be 17 lines, if you just make a onUpdate to call CancelLogout() every 2 seconds |
| 00:53.19 | Gnarfoz | I'd think auto-afk was also implemented to decrease server load? |
| 00:53.21 | Shirik | StaticPopup_Hide() correctly handles not ending your connection? |
| 00:53.22 | bigzero | cladhaire, maybe...if you want to stay on so others can always see the mats |
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| 00:53.34 | cladhaire | bigzero: I'm just saying, this wont' stop you from being _flagged_ afk.. |
| 00:53.38 | cladhaire | so its hardly a problem |
| 00:53.44 | bigzero | cladhaire, righg |
| 00:53.48 | cladhaire | i used something similar to this when queues on stormrage were bad |
| 00:53.48 | Shirik | aye, if you could use it in AV it would be a problem |
| 00:53.50 | cladhaire | so i didn't get booted. |
| 00:53.56 | Xinhuan | well this addon would make my 472 days /played even easier to maintain |
| 00:54.07 | bigzero | hehe |
| 00:54.07 | cladhaire | ^^ |
| 00:54.12 | Xinhuan | like double my /played speed |
| 00:54.16 | bigzero | there we go. we found a purpose |
| 00:54.27 | Gnarfoz | I'd bet you could get into trouble if a GM tried to reach you while staying online by this means |
| 00:54.41 | bigzero | actually, the reason i thought of the addon is because I wanted to lvl up my weapon skills |
| 00:54.43 | Xinhuan | should i email this in? heh |
| 00:54.47 | Shirik | "My character got stuck online" |
| 00:54.51 | Shirik | How would they prove otherwise? |
| 00:54.57 | cladhaire | Gnarfoz: I dunno why they would _care_ |
| 00:55.06 | Xinhuan | they would assume you were using 3rd party software |
| 00:55.10 | Xinhuan | to click inside wow |
| 00:55.13 | cladhaire | but again, why would they care? |
| 00:55.24 | Ellipsis | tos doesn't forbid you from staying online forever if yuo're just standing there... |
| 00:55.25 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: some servers are getting queues again |
| 00:55.30 | cladhaire | meh, fuck them :P |
| 00:55.33 | Xinhuan | like my server |
| 00:55.33 | Shirik | lul |
| 00:55.37 | Xinhuan | queues every weekend |
| 00:55.39 | Shirik | "I was there first!" |
| 00:55.41 | Gnarfoz | cladhaire: out of their own volition? they probably wouldn't, I don't think GMs know about server load |
| 00:56.10 | Gnarfoz | you could be reported for 'suspected botting' by someone, though |
| 00:56.11 | JoshBorke | the servers do have some sort of logout feature |
| 00:56.17 | JoshBorke | i don't know if it's only on the character select screen though |
| 00:56.32 | Xinhuan | i'm almost reaching a full hour of afk now |
| 00:56.35 | bigzero | Gnarfoz suspected botting for sitting for a very very long time? |
| 00:56.37 | cladhaire | Gnarfoz: I don't think anyone has ever been reported for "botting" by standing in the same place |
| 00:56.41 | Xinhuan | 56 min so far |
| 00:56.46 | Shirik | JoshBorke: I doubt it's anywhere else than the character select screen |
| 00:56.48 | Xinhuan | the last 26 min of which is spammed |
| 00:56.58 | Shirik | considering I have been logged in for 14 hours where I just sat there and stared at myself |
| 00:57.03 | Shirik | waving to my ghost, etc. |
| 00:57.07 | cladhaire | I can do the same thing by having an audio alert |
| 00:57.12 | cladhaire | I _have_ :P |
| 00:57.14 | cladhaire | when writing addons |
| 00:57.17 | Gnarfoz | cladhaire: well, welcome to the stupidity that is my rp-pvp server -_- |
| 00:57.18 | bigzero | Xinhuan, is it still spamming? |
| 00:57.21 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 00:57.24 | cladhaire | since reload doesn't count as an afk breaking action |
| 00:57.41 | Xinhuan | the only way to get rid of that spam is to filter it out from the chat |
| 00:58.00 | Xinhuan | i wonder if setting IDLE_MESSAGE = nil |
| 00:58.01 | Xinhuan | would work |
| 00:58.02 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 00:58.07 | bigzero | Xinhuan, the spam always stops for me when I maximize wow... |
| 00:58.11 | bigzero | lol |
| 00:58.11 | Gnarfoz | bigzero: anyway, for weapon skills, just get a paladin. |
| 00:58.22 | Shirik | Xinhuan: That would probably get WoW very pissed at you :P |
| 00:58.25 | Ellipsis | nil would probably break things |
| 00:58.38 | Xinhuan | bigzero, it stops when you maximise wow because wow gains focus |
| 00:58.43 | bigzero | it would try to concat nil and bam...error |
| 00:58.44 | Xinhuan | and its a hardware event |
| 00:58.56 | Fin | it would merely be asserting its status as the alpha nothing |
| 00:59.02 | bigzero | Xinhuan, you run windowed? |
| 00:59.12 | Xinhuan | maximised windowed |
| 00:59.16 | Shirik | lua> a = nil; print((1)..a); |
| 00:59.16 | lua_bot | Shirik: [string "a = nil; print((1)..a);"]:1: attempt to concatenate a number value |
| 00:59.22 | Gnarfoz | bigzero: paladin -> seal of light -> judge on blasted lands servant -> autoattack; you -> autoattack same mob; ???; profit |
| 00:59.23 | Shirik | Boo cladhaire! |
| 00:59.24 | Shirik | Fix! |
| 00:59.30 | cladhaire | ? |
| 00:59.37 | Shirik | That error message is wrong :P |
| 00:59.45 | Xinhuan | rofl |
| 00:59.46 | Shirik | not anywhere near a "critical" bug but still |
| 00:59.48 | cladhaire | its not my error message |
| 00:59.50 | cladhaire | so.. no |
| 00:59.51 | Shirik | I know :) |
| 00:59.57 | Shirik | Well you patched the rest of lua |
| 00:59.59 | bigzero | Gnarfoz, you know, regarding those blasted lands mobs...i thought they were supposed to stay banished |
| 01:00.06 | Shirik | <3 |
| 01:00.10 | Xinhuan | lua> a = nil; print(1..a); |
| 01:00.10 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: sandbox.lua:298: Compilation failed: [string "a = nil; print(1..a);"]:1: malformed number near '1..a' |
| 01:00.13 | Gnarfoz | supposed to, I guess |
| 01:00.18 | Xinhuan | dang |
| 01:00.19 | Gnarfoz | they don't, however ;D |
| 01:00.39 | Ellipsis | bigzero, they were fixed specifically so you couldn't weapon skill anymore |
| 01:00.48 | bigzero | yeah...i started attacking went afk and then found myself dead |
| 01:00.57 | Ellipsis | tankish types still can for quite some time though |
| 01:01.09 | Gnarfoz | eh? |
| 01:01.09 | bigzero | lua> print("1"..nil) |
| 01:01.09 | lua_bot | bigzero: [string "print("1"..nil)"]:1: attempt to concatenate a nil value |
| 01:01.12 | bigzero | there |
| 01:01.23 | Ellipsis | they unbanish and attack but remain unkillable |
| 01:01.32 | CIA-8 | 03grayhoof * r57823 10Proximo/ (Proximo.lua frame.lua options.lua): Proximo: Cleaned up announcement code (better in 2.0 branch). Added Blizzard FCT to announcements. Clear inspect name on zone check. |
| 01:01.32 | Shirik | bigzero: There's nothing illegal about concatenating a number value |
| 01:01.36 | Gnarfoz | as I said, just get a paladin |
| 01:01.41 | Shirik | lua> print ("Hi"..1) |
| 01:01.41 | lua_bot | Shirik: Hi1 |
| 01:02.02 | Xinhuan | lua> a = nil; print(a..1); |
| 01:02.02 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: [string "a = nil; print(a..1);"]:1: attempt to concatenate global 'a' (a nil value) |
| 01:02.16 | JoshBorke | lua> print(1..a) |
| 01:02.16 | lua_bot | JoshBorke: sandbox.lua:298: Compilation failed: [string "print(1..a)"]:1: malformed number near '1..a' |
| 01:02.21 | JoshBorke | oh, right |
| 01:02.21 | bigzero | lua> print(1 .. nil) |
| 01:02.22 | lua_bot | bigzero: [string "print(1 .. nil)"]:1: attempt to concatenate a number value |
| 01:02.29 | JoshBorke | 1.. ~= 1 .. |
| 01:02.30 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 01:03.02 | Gnarfoz | I'd wager more time has been spent trying to break that bot (or one of the others like it) than has been spent using it |
| 01:03.02 | Shirik | yeah it's a bit annoying really |
| 01:03.08 | Xinhuan | so if i afk with this addon will i get into trouble? |
| 01:03.16 | Xinhuan | hmmm |
| 01:03.18 | Shirik | As much as Lua is meant to be kept simple, it should be possible to determine if it's the concatenation operator or the decimal |
| 01:03.25 | Ellipsis | nah |
| 01:03.27 | Shirik | it's not hard in the slightest |
| 01:03.33 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: check TOU etc. |
| 01:03.38 | cladhaire | there's a ton of issues that will crash the bot at the moment. |
| 01:03.41 | Ellipsis | Blizz really doesn't do nearly as much as you'd think to catch afkers |
| 01:03.44 | Ellipsis | as long as they're not botting |
| 01:04.03 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: I think it's pretty secure, though yes as cladhaire said there are still some problems |
| 01:04.20 | Shirik | hopefully the majority of us have done it in good taste instead of bad |
| 01:04.33 | Gnarfoz | heh yeah |
| 01:04.44 | Gnarfoz | just observing, no judgement passed |
| 01:05.05 | Shirik | The only way to make something fully secure is to remove its power source |
| 01:05.18 | Gnarfoz | unplug, bury, never speak of it again |
| 01:05.19 | Gnarfoz | etc |
| 01:05.43 | Shirik | well before burying you're supposed to drill a hole through the HDD |
| 01:05.59 | Gnarfoz | damn |
| 01:06.31 | bigzero | running a strong magnet over it would work better |
| 01:06.50 | Shirik | negative |
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| 01:07.05 | Shirik | in fact the magnets in most HDDs are so strong that they offset external magnets rather well |
| 01:07.15 | Fin | magnets are less damaging than most people think |
| 01:07.16 | Shirik | however a HDD cannot allow air in or the data on it is destroyed |
| 01:07.21 | bigzero | after you unplug it Shirik |
| 01:07.33 | Shirik | the magnets are still magnetic |
| 01:07.37 | Shirik | I know this, I've taken several HDDs apart |
| 01:07.39 | Fin | also! a hard drive should not be exposed to forces of a greater magnitude than 36G |
| 01:07.48 | bigzero | Shirik, that's not true...air can go in and out of hdd |
| 01:07.50 | Shirik | and then you get the two magnets stuck together and it's next to impossible to get them apart |
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| 01:08.28 | bigzero | it gets filtered though |
| 01:08.29 | Shirik | negative, the platters must be in air-tight compartment |
| 01:08.31 | Arrowmaster | hdd magnets are so strong that they stick very nicely to walls with metal frames |
| 01:09.08 | bigzero | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk#Technology |
| 01:09.27 | bigzero | "The hard drives are not air tight, but rather utilize an extremely fine air filter, to allow for air inside the hard drive enclosure" |
| 01:09.39 | Shirik | I don't trust wikipedia as much as most except for generic overviews. However |
| 01:09.52 | Shirik | even using your argument, drilling a hole through the drive would be far more effective than running a magnet over it |
| 01:10.35 | bigzero | it would technically still be possible to read the remaining undamaged sectors |
| 01:10.59 | Shirik | you somehow infer that there are undamaged sectors, despite the fact that contaminated air has touched every platter |
| 01:11.42 | bigzero | just touching the platter doesn't make it damaged...the reason you want to avoid contamination in an hdd is that the head sliding over the contaminants would damage the platter |
| 01:11.52 | Shirik | Why do I know this? Because for customer security this is what we did to failing hard drives |
| 01:12.10 | Gnarfoz | err |
| 01:12.34 | bigzero | Shirik, that doesn't mean your meathod is absolutely secure. Just secure enough |
| 01:12.38 | Thelyna | Shirik: I'm pretty sure HDD specialists can recover data even if the drive has had air exposed (forensic recovery costs are a bitch though) and I know they can recover if it's only been formatted once |
| 01:12.52 | Shirik | Thelyna: do you know who ontrack is? |
| 01:12.53 | Thelyna | however, if you dismantle the drive and grind the platters to bits there ain't no coming back |
| 01:13.22 | Ellipsis | you can recover the data if it's just been *exposed* to air...if it's spun up after exposing it to air, then not so much |
| 01:13.24 | Gnarfoz | oxygen or nitrogen doesn't hurt them, it's the dirt in the common "air" thats problematic, like bigzero said |
| 01:13.36 | Thelyna | yeah, data recovery specialists right? |
| 01:13.38 | Shirik | Yup |
| 01:13.41 | bigzero | ok, don't know about this one 100%, but 0 fill should be much more secure |
| 01:13.42 | Shirik | Here's what they have to say about it |
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| 01:14.11 | exor674 | mrf, I wish MobNotes had a settin for heroic-only notes |
| 01:14.21 | Shirik | They specialize in reading hard drives manually, and they have told us even they couldn't recover something like that because they would be unable to get a head close enough to the platter without damaging it due to the dirt on there |
| 01:14.26 | Arrowmaster | you have to write over data like 20 times to securely delete it |
| 01:14.27 | Gnarfoz | /run SetDungeonDifficulty(3) |
| 01:14.35 | exor674 | guess I could write something |
| 01:14.42 | Shirik | And bigzero, that's actually not a government approved method of removing data :) |
| 01:14.51 | bigzero | Shirik, 0 fill? |
| 01:14.54 | Shirik | Their method is full 1 write, full random write, full 0 write |
| 01:14.55 | Gnarfoz | my government > your government |
| 01:15.02 | Thelyna | govt-approved = physical destruction I thought? |
| 01:15.13 | Shirik | Thelyna: Only if it's not to be used again |
| 01:15.21 | Gnarfoz | actually, my government sucks donkey balls right now, abolishing privacy and all ;D |
| 01:15.35 | bigzero | Shirik, again...they can't get the head close enough to read it _yet_ |
| 01:15.36 | Thelyna | yeah, that's what I mean |
| 01:15.49 | Thelyna | if they're finished with a hard drive they don't just format it and toss it in a dumpster |
| 01:16.07 | Thelyna | obviously it might be a little different for unclassified or low-security stuff |
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| 01:16.25 | Shirik | well sure :P |
| 01:16.42 | exor674 | why not just take the drive platters and throw them of the emipre state building |
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| 01:16.53 | Thelyna | that'd probably do it |
| 01:16.56 | Shirik | By the time they're already out of the drive it's too late anyway :P |
| 01:17.00 | Osstia | because theres people down below |
| 01:17.01 | Shirik | But sure throw them off the building if you want |
| 01:17.04 | Shirik | Ah screw them |
| 01:17.07 | Thelyna | but 'probably' != 'certainly' |
| 01:17.13 | Shirik | They live there, they're probably stupid anyway |
| 01:17.36 | Osstia | not necessarily. I visited it once |
| 01:17.46 | Osstia | What if you beaned me? I might cry |
| 01:17.51 | Shirik | that's what you get for visiting |
| 01:18.10 | CIA-8 | 03grayhoof 072.0 * r57824 10Proximo/ (11 files in 3 dirs): |
| 01:18.10 | CIA-8 | Proximo: Initial conversion to Ace3. Probably not valid to use... |
| 01:18.10 | CIA-8 | Notes: |
| 01:18.10 | CIA-8 | - Communication not tested |
| 01:18.10 | CIA-8 | - Localization not finished |
| 01:18.10 | CIA-8 | - Options get/set functions can be cleaned up a lot by using common functions. |
| 01:18.12 | CIA-8 | - Option screen needs work |
| 01:18.36 | Osstia | Do you not travel? |
| 01:18.37 | Gnarfoz | either he's bored or someone bribed him |
| 01:19.32 | Shirik | oh, my bad |
| 01:19.39 | Shirik | The DoD changed guidelines in nov 2007 |
| 01:19.39 | Shirik | wow |
| 01:19.50 | bigzero | got link? |
| 01:19.53 | Osstia | My dad said he could get a good mile-mile.5 from a used buffer pad throwing it off a 27 story building |
| 01:19.54 | Shirik | Apparently only physical destruction is acceptable now |
| 01:20.21 | Osstia | I wonder what you could get off a NY tower... |
| 01:20.26 | Shirik | bigzero: Not one that you'd have access to, sorry |
| 01:20.33 | bigzero | ah, shame.. |
| 01:20.53 | Osstia | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.18 | bigzero | why wouldn't that info be public? don't know what else is in there, but that part anyway |
| 01:21.29 | Shirik | It probably is |
| 01:21.36 | Shirik | let me see if it has a reference somewhere else |
| 01:22.06 | Shirik | what the hell? |
| 01:22.18 | Shirik | for impact printers, the ribbons must be destroyed o.o |
| 01:22.43 | bigzero | wouldn't that kinda make sense? |
| 01:22.57 | Shirik | well most ribbons are reused |
| 01:23.07 | Shirik | so it doesn't get replaced until maybe 20 runs |
| 01:23.15 | bigzero | well, we're talking super secure here |
| 01:23.18 | Shirik | by that time it would be hella hard to get some info off there |
| 01:23.22 | Shirik | but I guess if someone really had free time |
| 01:23.24 | Shirik | which I'm sure someone does |
| 01:23.55 | Shirik | Rofl: CRT monitors: Screen must be destroyed |
| 01:24.04 | Shirik | this is nuts >< |
| 01:24.09 | Osstia | Isn't the better question, why the hell are you still using an impact printer? |
| 01:24.19 | Shirik | truth |
| 01:24.19 | Osstia | burn-in? |
| 01:24.25 | Shirik | Osstia: That's my only guess |
| 01:25.36 | Shirik | bigzero: Maybe this helps? |
| 01:25.49 | Shirik | 1 In addition, NIST Special Publication 800-88, Guidelines for Media Sanitization, dated Sep 2006, can assist organizations and system owners in making practical sanitization decisions based on the level of confidentiality of their information |
| 01:26.07 | Shirik | though I guess that's only supplemental to what's here |
| 01:26.27 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:26.28 | Shirik | "NISPOM Paragraph 5-705 reflects requirements for destruction of classified material, including classified media and equipment." |
| 01:27.15 | bigzero | eh, it's ok...not too big on security. Thought it might be an interesting read, but too much effort :-) |
| 01:27.49 | Shirik | yeah I can almost guarantee you whatever I link to you is going to be difficult for any non-lawyer (including myself) to read > |
| 01:27.56 | Shirik | I'm lucky enough to have an easy-to-read chart |
| 01:28.31 | CIA-8 | tekkub-wow: 03adam.copp <adam.copp@gmail.com> 07master * r28208daffb 10./TourGuide_Horde/26_27_Ashenvale.lua: User-submitted Horde Ashenvale tweaks |
| 01:28.31 | CIA-8 | tekkub-wow: 03Tekkub Stoutwrithe <tekkub@gmail.com> 07master * r85bf51d6de 10./: |
| 01:28.31 | CIA-8 | tekkub-wow: Merge branch 'master' into Issue-197 |
| 01:28.31 | CIA-8 | tekkub-wow: Conflicts: |
| 01:28.31 | CIA-8 | tekkub-wow: TourGuide_Horde/26_27_Ashenvale.lua |
| 01:28.32 | CIA-8 | tekkub-wow: 03Tekkub Stoutwrithe <tekkub@gmail.com> 07master * rdd89c003ee 10./TourGuide_Horde/26_27_Ashenvale.lua: Cleanup of Horde Ashenvale 26-67 |
| 01:28.34 | Shirik | Here I can SS it for you if you want |
| 01:28.40 | Shirik | This isn't classified info |
| 01:28.45 | bigzero | Now i'm kinda interested to see how strong the magnetic fields produced by the hdd heads are |
| 01:28.46 | Osstia | whoever decided to chop up red & green peppers and toss them in krab salad! DIAF |
| 01:28.54 | Shirik | bigzero: take a failing HDD apart |
| 01:28.55 | Shirik | it's fun |
| 01:29.03 | Shirik | then stick a magnet on top of your computer monitor |
| 01:29.06 | Shirik | and see how long it takes you to get it off |
| 01:29.10 | Shirik | (well if it's a CRT that is) |
| 01:29.24 | bigzero | i did once. had it plugged up to a comp, running, then opened it and wen at it with a screwdriver |
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| 01:29.45 | bigzero | talking about a hhd |
| 01:29.54 | Osstia | I have a HD opened up on my mantle over my fireplace as decoration |
| 01:29.57 | Osstia | I like it |
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| 01:31.46 | bigzero | you know, i still don't think that those magnets can be that strong...just because they have to switch on and off real fast and changing current in a coil rapidly tends to create high resistance |
| 01:32.30 | Nargiddley | the read heads aren't the strong magnets |
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| 01:33.28 | Gnarfoz | hehe no they certainly aren't |
| 01:34.30 | bigzero | read heads shouldn't act as magnets anyway |
| 01:34.30 | Shirik | okies bigzero here you go |
| 01:34.45 | Nargiddley | the heads in general then |
| 01:35.05 | bigzero | so what's the magnet that we were talking about up top? |
| 01:35.06 | Shirik | Part 1: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/27a187e30ba9cee255f710363711d911.jpg |
| 01:35.17 | Shirik | Part 2: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/8e92c2348cfdab358aaf4dc539dce704.jpg |
| 01:35.18 | bigzero | [19:08] <Arrowmaster> hdd magnets are so strong that they stick very nicely to walls with metal frames |
| 01:35.25 | Nargiddley | sits at the base of the head assembly, for moving it afaik |
| 01:35.42 | Shirik | And to explain the matrix: http://wowi.pastey.net/79953-193h |
| 01:36.12 | Shirik | Osstia: that's not classified :) |
| 01:36.22 | Shirik | I don't have a clearance yet anyway, still working on that |
| 01:36.56 | Xinhuan | is it possible to do an emote without the space between the name and the 's |
| 01:36.57 | Shirik | D is the one I was referring to earlier that used to be acceptable |
| 01:37.00 | bigzero | "e. Each overwrite must reside in memory for a period longer than the classified data resided. " |
| 01:37.04 | bigzero | wow |
| 01:37.09 | bigzero | that sucks |
| 01:37.12 | Shirik | apparently it's only acceptable for magnetic core memory now |
| 01:38.24 | Pkekyo| | jesus titty fucking christ....song named "Soulja Boy - Crank Dat Soulja Boy" is one of the 10 most downlaoded songs in 2007 |
| 01:38.28 | Osstia | wow, I have been out of junior high for 15 years or so, and I still giggle and Removeable Rigid |
| 01:38.29 | Shirik | bigzero: In all honesty, I don't even know what "Magnetic plated wire" is |
| 01:38.31 | Pkekyo| | I feel sad for humanity :< |
| 01:38.37 | Shirik | And don't tell me it's wire with magnetic plating |
| 01:39.25 | bigzero | lol |
| 01:39.33 | Pkekyo| | lol Shirik |
| 01:40.20 | Shirik | Applications of FPW: High frequency coils, delay lines |
| 01:40.27 | Shirik | I'm not quite sure what that has to do with storing data :/ |
| 01:40.38 | else_where | yeah, Pkekyo, it's sad, but you have to take into account how many downloaded it to spam into voice chat while playing CounterStrike |
| 01:40.44 | bigzero | http://www.totoku.com/products/magnet_wires/tokusyu/fpw/index.html |
| 01:40.58 | Shirik | ok that is the exact same site I'm looking at right now >< |
| 01:41.08 | bigzero | just noticed |
| 01:41.08 | Shirik | yey google |
| 01:41.12 | bigzero | hehe |
| 01:41.29 | Shirik | oh goodie an IEEE article on it |
| 01:42.28 | bigzero | ok...enough of this ir i'll go nuts and go microwave my hdd |
| 01:42.35 | Shirik | rofl |
| 01:42.38 | else_where | i need me some sybs with voicecoils wound from that shiznit to blast Soulja Boy wit |
| 01:42.43 | else_where | subs* |
| 01:43.28 | Shirik | ok I have been sitting down /afk for about 10 miutes now |
| 01:43.37 | Shirik | and someone screams out "let's spar" and /duel s me |
| 01:43.50 | Shirik | and then he stares at me and gets mad that I don't respond |
| 01:45.11 | Shirik | hrm |
| 01:45.21 | bigzero | Xinhuan, ping |
| 01:45.29 | lua | boo, no > in nicknames |
| 01:45.32 | Xinhuan | hi |
| 01:45.43 | Xinhuan | hahaha |
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| 01:45.50 | bigzero | still afking? |
| 01:46.03 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 01:46.11 | bigzero | no dc yet? |
| 01:46.16 | Xinhuan | nope |
| 01:46.19 | Shirik | I should try to overtake the lua nick |
| 01:46.21 | bigzero | :-) |
| 01:46.22 | Shirik | [20:46:05] -NickServ- Last Seen: 1 year 46 weeks 1 day (10h 15m 13s) ago |
| 01:47.17 | Osstia | Thats a good goal |
| 01:47.57 | Shirik | how useful is strength to rogues? |
| 01:47.59 | Shirik | agility more? |
| 01:48.04 | Shirik | ap more? |
| 01:48.06 | bigzero | you guys know of a good irc bot for logging purposes? not to log all the time, just when an op requests it for instance. |
| 01:48.24 | Shirik | purl logs everything |
| 01:48.24 | bigzero | agi>ap=str |
| 01:48.25 | bigzero | ? |
| 01:48.28 | Pkekyo| | else_whereyeah, Pkekyo, it's sad, but you have to take into account how many downloaded it to spam into voice chat while playing CounterStrike <---- doesn't exactly make it more sad... /shrug.... I don't get why people listen to these "gangstas" dat say the same thing over and over again, wearing arseloads of jewelry and present it as rap |
| 01:48.32 | Shirik | ~logs |
| 01:48.33 | purl | hmm... logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 01:49.01 | Xinhuan | so bigzero |
| 01:49.01 | Pkekyo| | s/more sad/less sad/ |
| 01:49.02 | bigzero | yeah, but i want something that would only start logging when I request it |
| 01:49.06 | Xinhuan | should i mail in about this afk thing |
| 01:49.12 | Xinhuan | or post it on the Ui forums |
| 01:49.15 | bigzero | to blizz? |
| 01:49.19 | Xinhuan | yeah |
| 01:49.41 | Osstia | which afk thing? |
| 01:49.45 | bigzero | hmmm...i don't really see a reason to |
| 01:49.53 | bigzero | i don't think this is bannable |
| 01:50.02 | bigzero | you can' bg afk with it |
| 01:50.16 | bigzero | can't |
| 01:50.19 | Xinhuan | it increases server load |
| 01:50.27 | Xinhuan | by circumventing auto-logout |
| 01:51.47 | CIA-8 | 03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r57825 10FuBar_PerformanceFu/PerformanceFu.lua: FuBar_PerformanceFu: Make sure to catch addons like Babble and Auctioneer which dont have a core addon. Now will show Babble(18) and total memory used by all babbles |
| 01:52.08 | Shirik | all "babbles" |
| 01:52.10 | Shirik | I like that term |
| 01:52.12 | bigzero | I was testing changing the timeout, but it was still spamming me with messages |
| 01:52.16 | bigzero | kinda weird |
| 01:52.17 | Xinhuan | babblebabblebabblebabble |
| 01:52.28 | Xinhuan | really? |
| 01:52.29 | Xinhuan | interesting |
| 01:52.39 | bigzero | but yeah, Xinhuan...i don't really care. I wouldn't use the mod |
| 01:52.49 | Shirik | you know what's fun to do in BGs? |
| 01:53.02 | Shirik | /me has reported you as AFK. To remove this flag, type /afk. |
| 01:53.02 | Osstia | kill people? |
| 01:53.28 | CrazyBenny_ | hm...I tried this anti-logout thingy and got logged out after about 40 mins |
| 01:53.36 | Xinhuan | and the infamous "type /afk list to see a list of people marked as inactive" |
| 01:53.43 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:53.48 | Shirik | haven't seen that one yet |
| 01:53.49 | bigzero | CrazyBenny_ you need to enable it...did you? |
| 01:53.54 | CrazyBenny_ | aye |
| 01:53.57 | Xinhuan | i've seen it so many times it doesn't work anymore |
| 01:54.34 | Osstia | my personal favorite was "Click for a soul portal" and you end up in shatt |
| 01:54.43 | bigzero | Xinhuan, why were we replacing the default OnHide function anyway? |
| 01:54.45 | Osstia | that never got old |
| 01:55.01 | CrazyBenny_ | Osstia: still better than Exodar;) |
| 01:55.06 | Osstia | awlol |
| 01:55.07 | bigzero | Xinhuan, nvm |
| 01:55.11 | Osstia | or TB in my case |
| 01:55.15 | Xinhuan | the onhide function was just very fancy ;p |
| 01:55.49 | bigzero | so yeah, the spam stays, which really is weird |
| 01:56.00 | bigzero | but oh well, the point is the addon works |
| 01:56.12 | bigzero | though CrazyBenny_ says otherwise |
| 01:56.35 | bigzero | CrazyBenny_ were you in a capital city or an inn? |
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| 01:57.31 | Shirik | You fall and lose 1 health. You die. |
| 01:57.36 | Shirik | Do you know how cruel that is? |
| 01:57.42 | CrazyBenny_ | bigzero: ah, thats it, my laptop went down so it didnt save the enabled state...so when I started wow it was off |
| 01:58.01 | bigzero | ah, there you go |
| 01:58.12 | bigzero | Xinhuan, so what are you planning on doing? |
| 01:58.30 | Xinhuan | i'm browsing forums atm |
| 01:59.38 | bigzero | in the mean time i'll commit your version of the addon :-) |
| 02:00.51 | Xinhuan | dont' forget to remove the embeds.xml |
| 02:00.56 | Xinhuan | and also edit the toc |
| 02:01.05 | Xinhuan | you conveniently didn't add any externals but that's alright ;p |
| 02:02.07 | bigzero | oh...i actually did...i just forgot to commit it. or maybe i was about to but you slapped me with a huge trout |
| 02:03.34 | Shirik | hm |
| 02:03.45 | Shirik | anyone have an idea if there's an addon that tells you how many combo points are on /you/ ? |
| 02:04.14 | exor674 | don't think that'd be availible data |
| 02:04.20 | Shirik | yes it is |
| 02:04.23 | exor674 | sure you could watch skills used |
| 02:04.23 | Shirik | just not directly |
| 02:04.36 | exor674 | but aren't combo-points rogue/kitty dr00d specific too? |
| 02:04.52 | CIA-8 | 03bigzero * r57826 10ForeverAFK/ (. ForeverAFK.lua ForeverAFK.toc embeds.xml): |
| 02:04.52 | CIA-8 | ForeverAFK: |
| 02:04.52 | CIA-8 | - Simplified by Xinhuan (no more Ace2) |
| 02:04.57 | Shirik | I guess there would be a small degree of uncertainty |
| 02:05.03 | Xinhuan | well combo points are lost on switching targets, so guesswork is limited |
| 02:05.17 | Osstia | but skills used wouldn't take into account talents that award combo pounts on a chance basis right? |
| 02:05.22 | Shirik | right |
| 02:05.23 | Neebler | combo points are lost on using combo gaining abilities on other targets, not by switching |
| 02:05.24 | Shirik | that would be the big one |
| 02:05.25 | Osstia | Xinhuan: not anymore |
| 02:05.43 | Osstia | Xinhuan: it appears they are only lost when attacking another target and gaining a point |
| 02:06.20 | bigzero | what would you do if you knew you had 5 points on you anyway? no way to remove them |
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| 02:06.51 | Shirik | there are some people that do things in a very specific order |
| 02:06.55 | Shirik | this would help watch for that |
| 02:07.44 | bigzero | Xinhuan, how should I make it known that ForeverAFK only works outside of resting area? |
| 02:08.01 | Xinhuan | put it in the ## Notes: |
| 02:08.16 | Osstia | What changes in a rested area? |
| 02:08.28 | Xinhuan | ## Notes: When turned on prevents you from logging out (only works outside of inns) |
| 02:09.05 | kenlyric | doesn't blizzard frown on that? |
| 02:09.19 | kenlyric | and if not, gimme more |
| 02:09.40 | CIA-8 | 03bigzero * r57827 10ForeverAFK/ForeverAFK.toc: |
| 02:09.40 | CIA-8 | ForeverAFK: |
| 02:09.40 | CIA-8 | - description clarification |
| 02:09.46 | Pkekyo| | how much does it cost to get the epic land mount? |
| 02:10.14 | Shirik | 90 |
| 02:10.15 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:10.20 | bigzero | 540ish |
| 02:10.24 | bigzero | with rep |
| 02:10.25 | bigzero | i think |
| 02:10.33 | bigzero | for the skill |
| 02:10.44 | Osstia | I think its 600 for skill, 100 for mount |
| 02:10.46 | Pkekyo| | skill cost was what I was after |
| 02:10.48 | Pkekyo| | damnit |
| 02:10.51 | Osstia | then factor in your faction discount |
| 02:10.54 | CIA-8 | 03zuno * r57828 10UnitActionBars2/StatusBasic/ (uabStatus_MainBuffs.lua uabStatus_MainDebuffs.lua): |
| 02:10.54 | CIA-8 | UnitActionBars2: |
| 02:10.54 | CIA-8 | - Getting tired of making silly mistakes. Another fix for cooldown tracking. |
| 02:11.13 | Pkekyo| | I'll have to get exalted with UC then :< |
| 02:11.19 | Osstia | I just did Pkekyo| |
| 02:11.24 | Osstia | lots o runecloth |
| 02:11.30 | Osstia | and AV turn ins |
| 02:11.34 | Osstia | lots of rep from them |
| 02:11.38 | Pkekyo| | AV? |
| 02:11.40 | Osstia | yeah |
| 02:11.46 | Osstia | turn in scraps in AV |
| 02:11.47 | cladhaire | AV rep is the easiest way |
| 02:11.47 | Pkekyo| | alterac valley turnins for UC exalted? |
| 02:11.50 | bigzero | anyone here use GlowFoSho? I had two people report that the button sometimes disappear, but it never happens for me |
| 02:11.52 | Osstia | yes |
| 02:12.05 | Osstia | you get Org rep fast, but you get +horde faction too |
| 02:12.46 | Pkekyo| | I refuse to have my epic mount be a bloody bird :p |
| 02:12.54 | Osstia | I want a bloody bird |
| 02:12.56 | Pkekyo| | bad enough my 60% is |
| 02:13.05 | Pkekyo| | I fucking hate those things sooo bad |
| 02:13.12 | Osstia | I collect epic mounts thouhg |
| 02:13.47 | Pkekyo| | I just wanna get myself a skellyhorse and get over with it |
| 02:13.51 | Osstia | My main right now has in his bags, en epic raptor, kodo, white wolf, brown wolf, black wolf, ram, then an epic wyvern, roflcopter and netherdrake |
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| 02:14.15 | Pkekyo| | I collected epic mounts back in the days when having the AV mount actuall was an achievment |
| 02:14.28 | Osstia | mine is from there too |
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| 02:14.38 | Osstia | and my kodo is not a war mount either |
| 02:14.38 | Pkekyo| | now that every tosser that casually PvPs can have it, I can't be arsed though |
| 02:15.04 | Osstia | I did turn ins at the AQ opening to get the kodo |
| 02:15.46 | Pkekyo| | I'm a tauren, so the kodo is kinda given :p |
| 02:16.02 | Osstia | i'm a male troll, so an skelly horse will never happen |
| 02:16.03 | Pkekyo| | I actually got the pvp kodo before the regular one though |
| 02:16.06 | Osstia | I like ridiculous |
| 02:16.18 | Osstia | however I wand a mechanostrider like there is no tomorrow |
| 02:16.29 | Osstia | I would commit harry karry for one |
| 02:16.40 | Pkekyo| | blew all my gold on the riding skill, and couldn't afford to buy the mount, so spent all my time farming for the pvp one :p |
| 02:17.26 | kenlyric | Osstia: it's all easy now. |
| 02:17.44 | Shirik | harry karry? |
| 02:17.46 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: committing harry karry or getting a mechanostrider? :p |
| 02:17.55 | kenlyric | getting other faction mounts. |
| 02:18.01 | Osstia | I am horde |
| 02:18.03 | Pkekyo| | Shirik: guessing he's thinking something along the lines of seppeku or whatev |
| 02:18.04 | kenlyric | yes. |
| 02:18.21 | kenlyric | I got my last one (raptor) at level 63. freakin darkspear rep. |
| 02:18.33 | kenlyric | thank god for zang. |
| 02:19.37 | exor674 | Osstia: wouldn't you CRUSH the mechanostrider? |
| 02:19.39 | Pkekyo| | I'm 9418/12k honored with undercity... approx cost to get me exalted? :p |
| 02:19.41 | Osstia | kenlyric: theres no way to get cross faction at this point hough, no? |
| 02:19.55 | kenlyric | oh, my brain saw hawkstrider. |
| 02:19.56 | Pkekyo| | exor674: if I could do that with my tauren, I'd gladly pay up for one :p |
| 02:20.03 | kenlyric | ~fail |
| 02:20.03 | purl | ACTION gives kenlyric the worst grade imaginable, an A minus... minus! |
| 02:20.04 | Osstia | exor674: I fall out the sides of my copter, so I think the machine ccould hold me |
| 02:20.52 | kenlyric | Pkekyo|: have you done the quests in silverpine and ... uh... wherever it is undead start. |
| 02:21.03 | Gnarfoz | tirisfal |
| 02:21.03 | Osstia | Since outside of mote extractors engineering is terrible, a lvl 60 epic craftable seems fair |
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| 02:21.51 | Pkekyo| | rofl, some twat on the blizz eu warrior forums are crying about warriors needing a healing ability that heals instantly for 3k and then pops a hot healing 200hp/sec for 1min |
| 02:21.59 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: no, haven't |
| 02:22.05 | Pkekyo| | well, I've done some...not all |
| 02:22.11 | Osstia | wtf? why? |
| 02:22.15 | Pkekyo| | are they still available at higher levels |
| 02:22.15 | kenlyric | Pkekyo|: those will be a big shot of rep. |
| 02:22.23 | kenlyric | easily push you far into revered. |
| 02:22.25 | Pkekyo| | +? |
| 02:22.27 | kenlyric | yup, and they give full rep. |
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| 02:22.31 | Pkekyo| | sweet |
| 02:22.35 | Pkekyo| | going tirisfal soon then |
| 02:22.43 | Pkekyo| | should be easy, considering I'm a mage :p |
| 02:23.09 | kenlyric | that's why darkspeare and gnome rep sucks so bad. They have no starting zone. The share a bit, but not totally. |
| 02:23.41 | Pkekyo| | gnomes and trolls suck in general :p |
| 02:24.03 | Gnarfoz | shush |
| 02:24.15 | Pkekyo| | would love to see the gnomes reclaiming gnomeregan and the trolls building a city on the islands outside durotar or something though |
| 02:24.15 | Gnarfoz | gnomettes are ftw |
| 02:24.25 | kenlyric | blood elves on kodo are adorable |
| 02:24.35 | Gnarfoz | blood elves are just plain annoying |
| 02:24.35 | Pkekyo| | Gnarfoz: stfu you kinkyass midgetloving motherfucker :p |
| 02:24.35 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 02:24.45 | Gnarfoz | Pkekyo|: diaf <3 |
| 02:24.48 | kenlyric | still the prettiest |
| 02:24.53 | Pkekyo| | nothanks, I'm driving |
| 02:25.12 | Gnarfoz | what kind of lame excuse is that supposed to be |
| 02:26.11 | Pkekyo| | not an excuse |
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| 02:31.50 | Pkekyo| | fucksake...I should finish my essay...it's due two weeks ago >.< |
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| 02:37.36 | Pkekyo| | lmao, a gang of 14-16 year-olds have hijacked a car :p |
| 02:37.51 | Shirik | not really surprised |
| 02:39.02 | Pkekyo| | cops can't find'e, |
| 02:39.06 | Pkekyo| | find'em* |
| 02:39.28 | Pkekyo| | Shirik: this would be in scandinavia, not the US...a bit more irregular here :p |
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| 02:42.30 | Shirik | ah |
| 02:42.49 | Shirik | see in the US you grow callous to this type of thing |
| 02:45.53 | Pkekyo| | yeah |
| 02:46.00 | KarlThePagan | Grum & Xinhuan - routes is great :) has anyone suggested using qutest notes and quest objective data to form routes? |
| 02:46.01 | Pkekyo| | stuff like that jsut doesn't happen here |
| 02:46.06 | Pkekyo| | s/jsut/just/ |
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| 02:46.13 | Xinhuan | plenty, but impractical |
| 02:46.25 | Antiarc | Someone explain hunter shot rotations to me. |
| 02:46.37 | Xinhuan | when you aren't lvl 70 and don't have a flying mount, straight line routes don't really mean a damn thing |
| 02:47.01 | Shirik | Antiarc: what do you need to know? |
| 02:47.02 | Xinhuan | also most quests/quest objectives are in a quest chain, you must do them in order, you can't do them in the "best route" |
| 02:47.05 | KarlThePagan | xin: well one of my 2 use cases is daily bombing |
| 02:47.09 | Antiarc | Rotation basics 101, mostly |
| 02:47.15 | Antiarc | I know the point is to not clip your autoshot |
| 02:47.17 | Antiarc | But that's about it |
| 02:47.27 | Shirik | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.29 | Xinhuan | you need a route for daily bombing? lol |
| 02:47.42 | KarlThePagan | dailies are quite competitive on my server |
| 02:47.45 | Shirik | what's your spec? |
| 02:47.55 | KarlThePagan | it would be great to calculate an optimal skettis bombing path |
| 02:48.02 | Antiarc | It's for my wife, actually. But she's standard raiding BM spec. |
| 02:48.08 | Xinhuan | then your reaction speed needs to be faster on snatching eggs! |
| 02:48.11 | Antiarc | Using, uh, the Prince bow |
| 02:48.17 | Xinhuan | not finding eggs to bomb |
| 02:48.21 | Shirik | see I never actually went BM |
| 02:48.32 | Xinhuan | keep in mind that you may cast the bomb WHILE MOVING |
| 02:48.43 | Xinhuan | so you can fly past, bomb, continue flying as its casting, etc |
| 02:48.44 | KarlThePagan | Xinhuan: i don't have that problem on my main ;P |
| 02:49.01 | KarlThePagan | but my alts have slow mounts, so covering the most ground as fast as possible is nice |
| 02:49.04 | Xinhuan | i snatch so many eggs that way hehe |
| 02:49.13 | Xinhuan | i dont' do that |
| 02:49.14 | KarlThePagan | yea I know about bombing mechanics |
| 02:49.21 | Xinhuan | what i do is i camp a "prisoner" spawn point |
| 02:49.27 | Xinhuan | while i wait, |
| 02:49.33 | Xinhuan | i just camp that spawn point's eggs |
| 02:49.41 | Xinhuan | escort quest that is |
| 02:49.41 | KarlThePagan | fortunately my server is really good about grouping up for prisoner |
| 02:49.57 | Shirik | Antiarc: in all honesty what I do is MS, Arcane shot when available (MS first since it has a cast time) |
| 02:50.00 | Xinhuan | even better then, quest credit for bombing is shared |
| 02:50.03 | Shirik | then steady shot otherwise |
| 02:50.10 | Xinhuan | so you don't even have to snatch eggs |
| 02:50.20 | KarlThePagan | Antiarc: i've got a great post... looking it up |
| 02:50.22 | Xinhuan | any of your group can bomb the eggs as you wait for the prisoner |
| 02:50.26 | Antiarc | thanks, Karl |
| 02:52.38 | KarlThePagan | Antiarc: http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t13107-hunter_shot_rotation_illustrated/ |
| 02:52.57 | Antiarc | I've read that, but it didn't make a whole ton of sense to me since I'm a retard when it comes to huntering |
| 02:53.04 | KarlThePagan | oh ok so... |
| 02:53.48 | KarlThePagan | but the principles are the same as warlock IMO - #1 be as efficient as possible (with some exceptions) #2 try to be constantly casting |
| 02:54.23 | KarlThePagan | and the special limitations for hunter are ... there has to bee a 1/2 second gap between all your shots |
| 02:54.55 | KarlThePagan | so the best for normal hunters is something like auto, steady, arcane, auto |
| 02:55.09 | KarlThePagan | meaning the GCD from arcane shot is running during your auto shot |
| 02:55.41 | Shirik | I fail to see why you would skip MS |
| 02:55.49 | KarlThePagan | that's the whole idea... to first weave your steady shots in between auto shots (like old school aimed shot) |
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| 02:56.13 | KarlThePagan | then fire your arcane shots so the GCD overlaps autoshot by 1s or less |
| 02:56.24 | kenlyric | arcane shots? |
| 02:56.24 | KarlThePagan | (so the 1/2s doesn't delay your auto) |
| 02:56.29 | kenlyric | what kind of fail uses arcane shots? |
| 02:56.37 | Osstia | I have a button created using ItemButtonTemplate. I am trying to write a function to handle dropping an item on it, I am struggling with setting the icon/texture for the button. Anyone got a few minutes to help? |
| 02:56.39 | kenlyric | must be some kind of pvp fail, or MM fail |
| 02:57.04 | Osstia | I have tried ButtonName:SetTexture() and its not valid. I have poked arount and am not making much progress |
| 02:57.06 | Antiarc | I don't "get" the GCD thing, but I'll see if I can figure it out. Thanks. |
| 02:57.06 | Shirik | ~asktoask |
| 02:57.07 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 02:57.20 | kenlyric | http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t13107-hunter_shot_rotation_illustrated/ |
| 02:57.32 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: the cheese-flavored kind of fail, I think |
| 02:57.46 | Ellipsis | at least, I know a hunter who uses arcane shot...and he sure tastes like cheese |
| 02:57.57 | KarlThePagan | kenlyric: what's the crossover point for MM > BM these days? how much atp? |
| 02:58.04 | kenlyric | pve hunter: 41/20/0, steady/KC macro, weave steady between auto. Win. |
| 02:58.26 | kenlyric | KarlThePagan: more attack power than I've ever seen. |
| 02:58.31 | KarlThePagan | kek |
| 02:59.31 | KarlThePagan | Shirik: oh, and I wouldn't say skip multi... except for obvious CC issues ;) |
| 02:59.42 | Arrowmaster | hunters in my guild claim theres some kinda DR on AP for hunters around 3000+ |
| 02:59.44 | KarlThePagan | my hunter is 43 so the only shot I have to weave is multi |
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| 03:00.14 | kenlyric | well, that thing I linked gives a shot rotation for non BM hunters too. |
| 03:00.40 | KarlThePagan | kenlyric: that's the same post I linked 2 minutes before ;) |
| 03:00.46 | kenlyric | damn you! |
| 03:01.02 | KarlThePagan | but following the same principles in that post... that's why you should open with multi at low levels, and not aimed shot |
| 03:01.23 | KarlThePagan | I should bump that link on my forum... I still see some hunters spamming aimed shot all over the place |
| 03:01.24 | Antiarc | How can there be DR on AP? o.0 |
| 03:01.29 | Antiarc | AP is a linear DPS gain. |
| 03:01.51 | KarlThePagan | sounds a little tinfoil-hat ish |
| 03:02.31 | kenlyric | aimed shot is a good opener with rapid killing |
| 03:02.49 | kenlyric | while grinding. |
| 03:03.33 | KarlThePagan | even tho it resets swing timer? |
| 03:03.59 | KarlThePagan | the 20% is enough? |
| 03:04.22 | kenlyric | "opener" |
| 03:04.25 | kenlyric | "while grinding" |
| 03:04.39 | kenlyric | so, you're not shooting yet. |
| 03:04.52 | KarlThePagan | here's what I'm saying |
| 03:05.13 | KarlThePagan | aimed shot .... auto shot vs steady shot, auto shot.... auto shot |
| 03:05.21 | KarlThePagan | that's what we're comparing |
| 03:05.32 | KarlThePagan | the later takes 1/2 second longer than the first |
| 03:05.53 | KarlThePagan | I guess since rapid killing is only one shot... |
| 03:06.00 | kenlyric | hmm. I follow up aimed shot with steady shot. |
| 03:06.29 | KarlThePagan | you can weave a steady in both those cases right? no cooldown except GCD |
| 03:07.04 | kenlyric | the shot timer seems to take forever to start after an aimed, so I'm not sure quite how it works. |
| 03:07.14 | KarlThePagan | it resets the shot timer ;) |
| 03:07.35 | KarlThePagan | where with steady or multi the auto will fire 1/2s after the 1st shot goes |
| 03:07.43 | KarlThePagan | just like slam |
| 03:07.43 | Thelyna | yeah you can go aimed-steady-auto |
| 03:07.46 | kenlyric | right, which is why I follow with a steady. |
| 03:08.03 | kenlyric | and, as a bonus, the aimed casting time gives the pet time to get there. |
| 03:08.51 | KarlThePagan | hmm, it's too bad he doesn't have an explicit diagram of the aimed shot opener vs steady shot opener |
| 03:08.59 | Thelyna | the only "DR" on AP as such would be the itemisation formulas - if you stack AP to an absurd degree, it gets punished by diminishing returns (stack it more on one item and each point costs more) |
| 03:09.31 | KarlThePagan | i'll see if I can hack one up |
| 03:09.40 | Thelyna | so you can drop a little AP and gain some crit and get more dps that way |
| 03:10.00 | Thelyna | pretty sure there's no game-mechanic cap on the effect AP has on damage hough |
| 03:10.54 | kenlyric | it seemed to me that when I did steady shot opener, I had to wait for the pet to get to the mob. otherwise if I got a big hit I could have aggro issues requiring a FD. |
| 03:11.04 | kenlyric | so putting the aimed in front of it negates that need. |
| 03:11.20 | kenlyric | and it gets more from the 20% damage boost. |
| 03:11.42 | Xinhuan | lua> ("abc %d%% efg %d%%"):format(2) |
| 03:11.42 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: [string "("abc %d%% efg %d%%"):format(2)"]:1: bad argument #2 to 'format' (number expected, got no value) |
| 03:12.07 | KarlThePagan | once I get my vanity mount up to level 70 I'm going to stick with a ravager for charge |
| 03:12.26 | kenlyric | ravager doesn't have charge. |
| 03:12.32 | kenlyric | god would that be amazing. |
| 03:12.33 | KarlThePagan | oh... rats |
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| 03:12.48 | KarlThePagan | i guess that means boar |
| 03:12.51 | KarlThePagan | for grinding |
| 03:12.59 | KarlThePagan | *vanity pet |
| 03:13.01 | kenlyric | even iwth charge/dash, there's still a time factor. |
| 03:13.09 | dylanm | Bite/Gore is nice though |
| 03:13.13 | kenlyric | which aimed fills nicely |
| 03:13.26 | KarlThePagan | and you save 1 bullet ;) |
| 03:13.36 | kenlyric | go for ravager for more damage. |
| 03:13.42 | kenlyric | less bullets spent :) |
| 03:13.55 | KarlThePagan | I'll probably have 3 pets |
| 03:14.03 | KarlThePagan | cat, ravager, boar |
| 03:14.19 | kenlyric | but blizzard hates you, so you can really only ever have two. |
| 03:14.31 | KarlThePagan | there will always be more boars |
| 03:14.34 | dylanm | The cat and the ravager are kinda redundant... I guess the stealth is kinda fun in BGs. |
| 03:14.37 | KarlThePagan | so that'll be my one to drop |
| 03:14.47 | KarlThePagan | cat is my vanity pet ;) ghost saber |
| 03:14.49 | kenlyric | boars are the hardest of the three to get. |
| 03:14.59 | kenlyric | then just get keep cat and forget ravager. |
| 03:15.08 | kenlyric | the damage difference is miniscule. |
| 03:15.14 | KarlThePagan | I'm willing to bet there will be more boars in northrend than ravagers ;) |
| 03:15.20 | kenlyric | minuscule |
| 03:15.27 | kenlyric | oh, maybe. |
| 03:15.34 | KarlThePagan | either way, good advice |
| 03:15.45 | dylanm | I think the scorpid is still recommended for arena string masking no? |
| 03:15.56 | KarlThePagan | mostly, just not OP now ;) |
| 03:16.11 | KarlThePagan | awesome if you group with a mutilate rogue |
| 03:16.14 | dylanm | Yeah it's not overly powerful in its own right |
| 03:16.22 | kenlyric | the ravager does something like 10% more damage in specials, but specials are less than 20% of the total damage done. |
| 03:16.26 | dylanm | Put viper is the greatest |
| 03:16.31 | dylanm | *But |
| 03:16.48 | KarlThePagan | after next patch I hope there is more rogue variety |
| 03:17.09 | dylanm | Mut still looks weak |
| 03:17.23 | dylanm | But fun! |
| 03:17.23 | Shadowed | if by variety you mean |
| 03:17.29 | Shadowed | you can choose 3 different options, then sure |
| 03:18.21 | dylanm | Shadowed: Are we counting weapon specs here |
| 03:18.27 | kenlyric | disc rogue, shadow rogue, holy rogue |
| 03:18.40 | Shadowed | why the hell would you count weapon specs |
| 03:19.08 | dylanm | I dunno. What are your three then |
| 03:19.08 | kenlyric | because they're different of course! |
| 03:19.20 | Shadowed | Useless if they have a Druid, useless after AR fades, useless while Shs is on cooldown |
| 03:19.20 | Shadowed | of course |
| 03:21.21 | dylanm | But we reset Shs with Prep and they're all like dammmnnn that's cool and then they kill you |
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| 03:28.45 | KarlThePagan | dylanm: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kil%27jaeden&n=Aalymon ... not sure when they're going to pvp again, but his rogue/priest 2's broke 2k ;) |
| 03:29.05 | dylanm | Hmmm sweet |
| 03:29.05 | KarlThePagan | also... let me know if i'm spamming bad characters or something... using new client |
| 03:29.16 | KarlThePagan | he has a secret weapon tho ;) |
| 03:29.21 | dylanm | I mean I love the spec and I want my rogue to go in that direction |
| 03:29.27 | KarlThePagan | which will unfortunately go away at level 80 :( |
| 03:29.33 | dylanm | Gotta love watching Tosan pwn at it |
| 03:29.46 | dylanm | What's his secret weapon? |
| 03:30.22 | KarlThePagan | an energy-giving item you can use in arenas ;) |
| 03:30.28 | KarlThePagan | double mut |
| 03:30.30 | dylanm | Oh that thing |
| 03:30.36 | dylanm | That was my first guess |
| 03:30.57 | KarlThePagan | do a lot of people get that? it's a pain |
| 03:31.10 | dylanm | The Renataki thing? |
| 03:31.17 | KarlThePagan | yea... except I got the priest version for mana burn superiority ;) |
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| 03:31.24 | Aeyan | Charm of trickery? |
| 03:31.24 | dylanm | Yeah at 80 it's useless :( |
| 03:31.29 | dylanm | Yeah. |
| 03:31.33 | KarlThePagan | yea ... :( 0 energy |
| 03:31.33 | dylanm | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=19954 |
| 03:32.17 | dylanm | Tosan makes good arena videos... I can't stand watching most others. |
| 03:32.49 | KarlThePagan | haha well that's because the best arena teams are cheap facerolling action |
| 03:32.58 | KarlThePagan | just game balance issues... |
| 03:33.45 | dylanm | The other ones I like generally have heavy amounts of commentary |
| 03:35.24 | KarlThePagan | yea, I think if you can make an arena video that's pseudo-instructional... actually gets into the theory of the game (a la football commentating) then that will make a good video |
| 03:36.22 | dylanm | You see mages doing it more than anyone |
| 03:36.57 | Aeyan | Haha, so Dance edits the Tosan videos |
| 03:37.02 | Aeyan | I love his shadow priest movies |
| 03:37.20 | Aeyan | Or wait.. they just both use the same blog. |
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| 03:38.51 | dylanm | Yeah Tosan just joined his blog |
| 03:38.57 | dylanm | Dance is great |
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| 03:41.28 | Pkekyo| | I just went from 300 honored to 250 revered with UC in 25min :p |
| 03:42.48 | Fin | Runecloth? |
| 03:43.35 | Pkekyo| | nope |
| 03:43.39 | Pkekyo| | no cloth turnins at all |
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| 03:44.34 | Pkekyo| | I AoEgrinded up all the quests in tirisfal glades :p |
| 03:44.44 | Pkekyo| | sooo glad I got a mage atm :p |
| 03:49.32 | Pkekyo| | runecloth is the only repeatable cloth turnin, no? |
| 03:50.07 | Xinhuan | hmm wowequip just went past 4000 lines in the core file and 1000 lines per localizaion file |
| 03:50.10 | Osstia | I think so Pkekyo| |
| 03:50.42 | Xinhuan | and almost 2000 lines in the data file ~_~ |
| 03:52.01 | Xinhuan | time to snooze |
| 03:52.28 | Osstia | I have a handler that handles drag/drop, but if I single click an item (attaches the item to cursor) then click on the button, my handler does work. |
| 03:53.00 | Osstia | Do I need to execute the same code on a regular click that I am on a drag/drop? |
| 03:53.07 | Arrowmaster | haha "ready?" "why do your people always ask if someone is ready right before your going to do something massively unwise?" "tradition" |
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| 03:55.55 | Hjalte | ~seen tullar |
| 03:55.57 | purl | i haven't seen 'tullar', Hjalte |
| 03:56.13 | Shirik | tuller? |
| 03:56.47 | Hjalte | oh yeah |
| 03:56.54 | Hjalte | ~seen tuller |
| 03:56.55 | purl | tuller <n=chatzill@c-76-27-166-119.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 1d 1h 24m 17s ago, saying: 'and are in combat'. |
| 03:58.17 | Gnarfoz | http://i12.tinypic.com/873mog7.jpg |
| 03:59.09 | kenlyric | she's legal now. |
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| 04:00.21 | Pkekyo| | kenlyricshe's legal now. <--- wha? |
| 04:00.42 | Pkekyo| | nvm, didn't see the pic |
| 04:01.11 | KarlThePagan | aka "too old" for 4chan |
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| 04:01.53 | Pkekyo| | rofl, indeed |
| 04:02.06 | Ripdog | i once heard that 4chan had anti-loli rules |
| 04:02.12 | Pkekyo| | loli? |
| 04:02.16 | Ripdog | lolita |
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| 04:03.03 | Pkekyo| | lolita? |
| 04:03.07 | KarlThePagan | just goes to show you... there are always more "newfags" on the internet |
| 04:03.10 | Pkekyo| | I don't get it |
| 04:03.12 | Ripdog | however, after further experience, i also learned that these rules are pretty much just something to giggle at |
| 04:03.20 | KarlThePagan | Pkekyo|: google knows |
| 04:03.25 | Ripdog | verily |
| 04:03.47 | Pkekyo| | can't you get quests in another race's starting area? |
| 04:03.54 | KarlThePagan | mostly |
| 04:04.00 | Ripdog | after someone dumped 50mg of CCS pictures |
| 04:04.13 | KarlThePagan | there are actually only like 2-3 exceptions i know of |
| 04:04.27 | kenlyric | you can. |
| 04:04.41 | kenlyric | the exceptions are the healing quest in the draenei starting area. |
| 04:04.49 | kenlyric | and ALL the quests in the blood elf 1-5 zone. |
| 04:05.00 | kenlyric | because blizzard hates horde. |
| 04:05.13 | KarlThePagan | seems like a waste to go to someone else's 1-5 zone |
| 04:05.19 | Shirik | in all honesty |
| 04:05.27 | Shirik | The BEs have way more quests than draenei |
| 04:05.38 | Shirik | and if you won't agree to that, then they're at least more... appeasable? |
| 04:05.44 | Shirik | fun |
| 04:05.46 | Shirik | that's a good word |
| 04:05.50 | KarlThePagan | yea, there's an annoying gap 14-16 draenei area... |
| 04:06.02 | kenlyric | KarlThePagan: well, it's annoying if you want to get rep. |
| 04:06.09 | KarlThePagan | the "bring me 37 bear asses" quest... and not all bears have asses |
| 04:06.09 | kenlyric | that's a lot of rep missing. |
| 04:06.38 | Pkekyo| | damnit, I want to do the deathknell quest! /cry |
| 04:06.43 | kenlyric | you can |
| 04:06.44 | Pkekyo| | quests* plural |
| 04:06.48 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: how? |
| 04:06.50 | kenlyric | did you miss what I said? |
| 04:06.58 | kenlyric | the only ones you can't do are the 1-5 BE quests. |
| 04:07.08 | kenlyric | go up to them, accept them? |
| 04:07.32 | Keias | there's one chain you can't do |
| 04:07.38 | Pkekyo| | none of the NPCs in deathknell will talk to me |
| 04:07.38 | Keias | Because it requires you to talk to the guy outside the starting tomb |
| 04:07.58 | kenlyric | are you horde? |
| 04:08.04 | Pkekyo| | belf |
| 04:08.10 | kenlyric | if they're hitting you, you might be alliance. |
| 04:08.19 | kenlyric | don't know what the problem is. I did it. |
| 04:08.23 | Pkekyo| | tried that, Keias, he won't talk to me either |
| 04:08.32 | Keias | Hrm |
| 04:08.34 | Keias | weird |
| 04:08.58 | kenlyric | the guy right outside of the church and directly across the road from him, should have quests. |
| 04:09.00 | Pkekyo| | looks like they're their own separate faction (unfriendly or neutral) |
| 04:09.13 | kenlyric | what level are you? |
| 04:09.20 | Pkekyo| | 56 |
| 04:09.39 | kenlyric | how could you be neutral with undercity? |
| 04:09.44 | Shirik | I was |
| 04:09.45 | kenlyric | wait, you're a belf. |
| 04:09.53 | Pkekyo| | I'm not, I'm far into revered |
| 04:09.56 | Shirik | though it's hard to do at 56 |
| 04:09.56 | kenlyric | how the fuck could you be neurtral with undercity. |
| 04:10.03 | kenlyric | something is seriously wrong then. |
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| 04:10.30 | kenlyric | the mobs should be yellow, the NPCs should be green. |
| 04:11.49 | Pkekyo| | I finally managed to pick up two quests inside the church |
| 04:11.59 | kenlyric | what do you mean finally? |
| 04:12.03 | kenlyric | what did you do? |
| 04:12.29 | kenlyric | and I *will* hunt you down and stab you if you never went in there to try beforehand. |
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| 04:12.57 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: I found the church :p |
| 04:13.15 | kenlyric | ~fail Pkekyo| |
| 04:13.15 | purl | Pkekyo|: Fail. |
| 04:13.27 | Pkekyo| | :p |
| 04:14.40 | kenlyric | enjoy your spider cave. |
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| 04:15.08 | Pkekyo| | spider cave? |
| 04:15.41 | bigzero | Pkekyo|, i'm doing all those quests as well now |
| 04:15.54 | Pkekyo| | really? |
| 04:15.57 | Pkekyo| | need UC rep? :p |
| 04:16.22 | bigzero | figured why not... |
| 04:16.39 | bigzero | i'm in the brill area atm |
| 04:16.56 | bigzero | anyone know if silverpine quests give rep? |
| 04:17.52 | kenlyric | yes |
| 04:18.07 | kenlyric | hillsbrad too, if you've not done those. |
| 04:18.31 | bigzero | lol...http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773457548&postId=37728779481&sid=1#0 |
| 04:18.36 | bigzero | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773457548&postId=37728779481&sid=1#0 |
| 04:18.45 | bigzero | bah, i fail at putting spaces after ... |
| 04:19.11 | Shirik | omg |
| 04:19.14 | Shirik | that hurts my eyes |
| 04:19.17 | Shirik | take it away |
| 04:19.40 | kenlyric | worked in my client :) |
| 04:20.55 | Camci | trying to read this but my eyes hurts :( http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=1C55775E46ECA6DC01974CE14FED4D99?topicId=3773457548&sid=1 |
| 04:21.04 | Pkekyo| | L M F A O bigzero |
| 04:21.18 | Pkekyo| | any idea what the tosser wanted? :p |
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| 04:21.49 | Camci | ah lol just saw |
| 04:21.56 | Pkekyo| | Camci just wants all the glory for him/her self :p |
| 04:22.07 | Camci | no really i didnt see jhim posting :P |
| 04:22.52 | Pkekyo| | riiiiiiight |
| 04:23.02 | Camci | atleast i manaed 3 lines! |
| 04:23.07 | Camci | managed* |
| 04:23.53 | Pkekyo| | kenlyricenjoy your spider cave. <---- thanks, I prefer the batcave though :p |
| 04:24.26 | Pkekyo| | well done Camci, I hardly managed three worsd :p |
| 04:24.32 | Pkekyo| | s/worsd/words/ |
| 04:24.54 | Camci | >_> |
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| 04:27.41 | Pkekyo| | I love it when purl corrects me :p |
| 04:28.19 | kenlyric | so it's true, somebody does like that. |
| 04:28.29 | Estil | I suddenly want to have instant ramen |
| 04:28.48 | kenlyric | mostly I think "fuck you purl, I just corrected myself" |
| 04:28.56 | Pkekyo| | rofl |
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| 04:29.40 | Pkekyo| | Estil: ramen? |
| 04:29.51 | Pkekyo| | ramen sounds like the name of a serial rapist :/ |
| 04:30.11 | Estil | lmao |
| 04:30.28 | Estil | have you not ever had one? |
| 04:30.30 | kenlyric | after several months, pkekyo has finally confirmed he lives in a pineapple under the sea. |
| 04:31.01 | Pkekyo| | Estil: no, I haven't ever had a serial rapist :p |
| 04:31.18 | kenlyric | I remember a time when you weren't allowed on IRC without knowing what ramen was. |
| 04:31.25 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: I live in norway, there's a subtle difference :p |
| 04:31.27 | Pkekyo| | no you don't |
| 04:31.41 | kenlyric | IRC was built on ramen |
| 04:31.44 | kenlyric | yes I do. |
| 04:31.55 | kenlyric | you young wippersnappers |
| 04:32.03 | AnduinLothar | i want some spicy chikan ramen |
| 04:32.09 | Estil | oh wow |
| 04:32.13 | Estil | a person who don't know about ramen o_O |
| 04:32.15 | AnduinLothar | my ralphs doesn't sell it |
| 04:32.18 | Estil | never thought I'd actually see one |
| 04:32.19 | kenlyric | ramen is a universal constant. |
| 04:32.24 | kenlyric | tey know about it in norway |
| 04:34.41 | Pkekyo| | meh, I just cleared out all quests in tirisfal glades :< |
| 04:34.43 | Shirik | R[m1*m2/r^2] =? |
| 04:34.52 | Shirik | Where R is the universal ramen constant |
| 04:34.53 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: I know what it is too, I just didn't know THAT was ramen :p |
| 04:36.01 | Pkekyo| | speaking of which...I should go make me some...can't be arsed :< |
| 04:37.34 | bigzero | Shirik, deceleration of hunger due to ramen? |
| 04:38.01 | Shirik | well, force of hunger |
| 04:38.25 | Shirik | amusingly this formula is probably accurate |
| 04:38.26 | bigzero | oh, right |
| 04:38.30 | bigzero | doh |
| 04:38.34 | Shirik | m1 == mass of ramen, m2 == mass of the person that sees it |
| 04:38.42 | Shirik | mr. fatso would be more drawn to the ramen |
| 04:38.43 | bigzero | r? |
| 04:38.50 | Shirik | the universal ramen constant |
| 04:39.06 | bigzero | lower case...but still works |
| 04:39.15 | bigzero | but distance still works* |
| 04:39.22 | Shirik | Much like G = 6.67 N/sm^2 |
| 04:39.26 | Shirik | why the hell do I know that formula |
| 04:39.40 | Shirik | er, ignore that S its' a typo |
| 04:40.09 | Shirik | oh sorry |
| 04:40.11 | Shirik | the lowercase r |
| 04:40.14 | Shirik | distance from the ramen |
| 04:41.29 | bigzero | so weird when people don't know anything about instances like scholo, strat, UBRS |
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| 04:46.04 | chiper | I prefer to use the word "sad" |
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| 04:52.30 | Mudkipz | ramen? |
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| 04:57.43 | Pkekyo| | :p |
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| 04:57.59 | Pkekyo| | Mudkipz: don't ask what it is...pisses alot of these people off, aparently :p |
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| 05:03.33 | [SW]Dodge | anyone knows a good place to farm? :D |
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| 05:03.53 | Pkekyo| | [SW]Dodge: farm what? |
| 05:04.05 | [SW]Dodge | all what i can sell :P |
| 05:04.54 | Pkekyo| | what server you on? :p |
| 05:05.25 | [SW]Dodge | mote of mana/fire/air |
| 05:05.28 | [SW]Dodge | sen'jin eu |
| 05:05.33 | [SW]Dodge | !c eu sen'jin netrox |
| 05:05.36 | ThraeBot | [SW]Dodge: Netrox, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (0/50/11). 10914 HP; 7730 Mana; 137 mana regen; 5678 Armour; 3047 AP; 299.700 Melee DPS; 36.33% melee crit; 110 melee hit; 10 +spell dmg; 29 +heal; 42.37% dodge; 85 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10); +33 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 1479 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/22jqcw ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3cybke ][ Updated: Thu Jan 3 00:10:39 2008 EST ]] |
| 05:05.43 | Pkekyo| | go farm mote of water in the lake just ouside shatt |
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| 05:06.19 | [SW]Dodge | water is less profit on my server :x |
| 05:06.45 | [SW]Dodge | just ~15g mana/air/fire is at ~25 |
| 05:07.48 | Pkekyo| | for mana, you could farm Kirin'var Village in netherstor |
| 05:07.49 | Pkekyo| | m |
| 05:08.29 | [SW]Dodge | its the city in bottm left or? |
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| 05:08.53 | Pkekyo| | bottom right, that'd be |
| 05:09.01 | Pkekyo| | kill the ones that look mana-y |
| 05:09.13 | [SW]Dodge | well i mean right... |
| 05:09.34 | [SW]Dodge | it late...^^ |
| 05:09.35 | Pkekyo| | there's also buttloads of great quests 'round there that'll give you alot of gold |
| 05:09.38 | [SW]Dodge | 6am :D |
| 05:11.25 | Pkekyo| | 06.09am here |
| 05:12.04 | [SW]Dodge | same here |
| 05:12.08 | [SW]Dodge | where are you from? |
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| 05:14.48 | Pkekyo| | Norway |
| 05:15.07 | Pkekyo| | GMT+1, in other words |
| 05:15.27 | [SW]Dodge | germany :) |
| 05:15.38 | Shirik | guten tag |
| 05:15.40 | Pkekyo| | guten aben |
| 05:15.40 | [SW]Dodge | and THANK YOU! its a nice farm spit ;D |
| 05:15.42 | Pkekyo| | or something |
| 05:15.47 | [SW]Dodge | guten moregn |
| 05:15.51 | [SW]Dodge | morgen* |
| 05:15.54 | Pkekyo| | np |
| 05:15.59 | Shirik | Pkekyo|: in the future |
| 05:16.12 | Pkekyo| | Shirik: what? |
| 05:16.13 | Shirik | ~x en de Good morning |
| 05:16.20 | Shirik | Rather than mispelling it 10 times :P |
| 05:16.39 | [SW]Dodge | wtf O.o |
| 05:16.43 | [SW]Dodge | nice bot |
| 05:16.45 | [SW]Dodge | ^^ |
| 05:17.06 | Shirik | unlikely |
| 05:17.09 | Shirik | this should be amusing |
| 05:17.24 | Shirik | ~x en de I enjoy playing games on a daily basis |
| 05:17.32 | Shirik | ~x de en ich genieße, Spiele auf einer täglichen Grundlage zu spielen |
| 05:17.38 | Pkekyo| | meh, getting bored from doing lowlevel quests |
| 05:17.43 | Shirik | that was fun |
| 05:18.05 | Pkekyo| | rofl Shirik |
| 05:18.09 | Pkekyo| | easily entertained? :p |
| 05:18.56 | Pkekyo| | ramen for breakfeast was a great idea tbh |
| 05:20.10 | Pkekyo| | anyone know how long SFK takes at lvl 56? |
| 05:20.39 | kenlyric | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.45 | Pkekyo| | a bit more specific? wanna know if I've got the time before school :p |
| 05:23.24 | chiper | phek: 56 what? |
| 05:23.33 | Pkekyo| | mage |
| 05:23.40 | chiper | 45 minutes |
| 05:23.53 | chiper | or less |
| 05:24.00 | chiper | make lots of bag space |
| 05:24.26 | chiper | pre-bc I farmed SFK all the time on my mage. now it's even easier |
| 05:26.06 | Pkekyo| | chiper: just doing it to finish some quests, don't need bagspace :p |
| 05:26.40 | chiper | you'll be surprised how many greens will drop |
| 05:26.49 | chiper | and they still sell decently |
| 05:26.52 | Pkekyo| | sure, but they're not worth much |
| 05:27.00 | Pkekyo| | I don't AH greens |
| 05:27.52 | chiper | I dont bother AHing 60+ greens, but 20-30ish stuff can still sell for 1-2g on my server |
| 05:29.03 | Pkekyo| | prolly could here too, but I can't be arsed |
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| 05:41.54 | chiper | you're finishing quests from a lvl 25 instance at lvl 56, and you cant be bothered to post stuff to the AH? |
| 05:42.55 | Pkekyo| | aye |
| 05:42.58 | Pkekyo| | I'm farming UC rep |
| 05:43.12 | Pkekyo| | need it for my land epic |
| 05:43.22 | Killmore | Best macro over in BG: /me has reported you for being Away From Keyboard. To change your status, type: /afk off. |
| 05:43.25 | Killmore | ever* |
| 05:44.28 | Pkekyo| | ^^ |
| 05:44.34 | Gngsk | moron filter |
| 05:44.40 | Pkekyo| | ftw |
| 05:45.57 | Killmore | yep, I call this macro the retard check :P |
| 05:46.31 | Killmore | 50% of the player in BG type /afk |
| 05:46.44 | Killmore | 20% whisper me "stop that asshole im not afk" |
| 05:46.50 | Killmore | approx. :P |
| 05:46.57 | Pkekyo| | xD |
| 05:53.36 | Pkekyo| | meh |
| 05:53.37 | Pkekyo| | BOOOOOOOOOOOORED |
| 05:54.20 | Antiarc | rofl, bugged Akama. |
| 05:54.23 | Antiarc | Easiest epics ever. |
| 05:54.52 | Pkekyo| | geif bugged akama |
| 05:55.01 | Pkekyo| | what's bugged akama? |
| 05:55.21 | Antiarc | He just goes straight for Akama |
| 05:55.26 | Antiarc | No need to kill channerls |
| 05:55.30 | Antiarc | channelers either |
| 05:55.33 | Arrowmaster | yeah doesnt it always happen if you wipe once |
| 05:55.43 | Antiarc | I dunno, we never wipe on him |
| 05:55.47 | Antiarc | We just got a bugged one tonight |
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| 05:56.02 | Arrowmaster | we got to him for first time the other week |
| 05:56.15 | Arrowmaster | 1 wipe then an ez mode bugged kill |
| 05:56.22 | Antiarc | Bugged Akama is like a super easy trash pull that gives you two epics. |
| 05:57.43 | Killmore | haha yes :P |
| 05:57.45 | Arrowmaster | we cleared to and pulled gorefiend for fun on an off night with like 15 people |
| 05:57.57 | Fisker- | what happens when he bug? |
| 05:58.03 | Fisker- | oh |
| 05:58.04 | Arrowmaster | you kill him |
| 05:58.06 | Fisker- | lala |
| 05:58.17 | Arrowmaster | its like the easist fight ever |
| 05:58.18 | Fisker- | I didn't know the channelers were a challenge though |
| 05:58.41 | Killmore | bugged akama 4tw |
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| 05:59.57 | Fisker- | Killmore reported |
| 06:00.14 | Killmore | Fisker- :( |
| 06:03.11 | Fisker- | It's considered impersonating a blizzard employee or a system message to do what you're doing |
| 06:03.24 | Fisker- | Which means the first time someone actually reports you, you'll get a 3 day ban |
| 06:03.26 | Fisker- | i.e. me |
| 06:03.47 | KivinSan | Nice one, Fisker. |
| 06:03.53 | KivinSan | That behavior is retarded |
| 06:05.28 | Pkekyo| | 07:03Fisker-It's considered impersonating a blizzard employee or a system message to do what you're doing <----- what you on about? |
| 06:06.34 | bigzero | woot! I actually found a use for ForeverAFK. Used it to stay in instance that I was soloing while I went to pick up my sister from the movie theater |
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| 06:06.51 | KivinSan | ForeverAFK? |
| 06:07.07 | bigzero | prevents you from getting logged out when afk |
| 06:07.23 | KivinSan | How does it do that? is it legit? |
| 06:07.23 | bigzero | and it seems that you don't get dc'ed either |
| 06:07.31 | bigzero | it's an addon...so yes |
| 06:07.40 | KivinSan | interesting |
| 06:07.52 | Olison | .status |
| 06:07.53 | bigzero | well, can't really say that, but it just hides the logout dialog when it appears |
| 06:07.53 | Pkekyo| | what does it do, bigzero? |
| 06:07.57 | KivinSan | A long time ago, I made a C application I called my "hopper" which jumped every 30 seconds :P |
| 06:08.18 | Shirik | I would advise you do not brag about this |
| 06:08.26 | bigzero | hiding the popup calls the CancelLogout() function |
| 06:08.33 | KivinSan | That's so far in the past that it can't possibly matter |
| 06:08.41 | Shirik | matters to me |
| 06:08.47 | KivinSan | :rolleyes: |
| 06:08.55 | KivinSan | Forget I said anything |
| 06:09.30 | Pkekyo| | sure, I have shitty short-term memory anyways :p |
| 06:09.59 | KivinSan | bigzero: Sounds like the sort of behavior that blizzard wont discipline because it's in the UI, but will "fix" in a patch if it gets much traction with the community |
| 06:10.02 | Shadowed | Blizzard doesn't really seem to care about people who afk bot outside of battlegrounds anyway Shirik |
| 06:10.34 | Shadowed | Given, a friends done it all day for a year now to save water and such without being banned |
| 06:10.37 | KivinSan | And for the record, I've never AFKed a BG in my life. It was actually for waiting in the extraordinairy long queues for AV Version 1, many years ago |
| 06:11.25 | bigzero | Shadowed, lol...saing water |
| 06:11.41 | bigzero | saving* |
| 06:12.41 | Fisker- | Pkekyo| i'm not on about anything |
| 06:12.53 | Pkekyo| | ... |
| 06:12.59 | Fisker- | Imitating, even imitating poorly, a Blizzard employee or system message is a violation of policies :P |
| 06:13.22 | Pkekyo| | doing "/me randomshit" is a violation of policies? |
| 06:13.24 | Fisker- | And they don't take kindly to that kind of impersonation |
| 06:13.27 | Fisker- | no |
| 06:13.43 | KivinSan | I'm going to call a GM next time I see one of those just to confirm that. I hope to hell you're right. |
| 06:13.44 | Fisker- | Doing "/me you have been marked as afk, type /afk off to remove it" is |
| 06:13.53 | Shirik | Shadowed: It has nothing to do with afk botting, etc. |
| 06:13.55 | Fisker- | Well atleast it is in EU |
| 06:13.58 | Shirik | It's the principle of the matter |
| 06:14.05 | Shadowed | leseeee |
| 06:14.10 | Fisker- | i'd guess it would be in the US as well |
| 06:14.14 | Shirik | bragging about how you hooked into WoW and ran your own code, etc. |
| 06:14.30 | KivinSan | I hardly hooked into wow... I sent a keystroke from windows on an interval |
| 06:14.37 | KivinSan | And I wasn't bragging |
| 06:15.08 | Shadowed | Just read the ToS |
| 06:15.09 | Shadowed | Impersonate any real person, including without limitation any "game master" or any other Blizzard agent or employee, nor may you communicate in the Game in any way designed to make others believe that your message constitutes a server message or was otherwise posted by any Blizzard agent or employee. |
| 06:15.17 | Shadowed | #11 under communicating with players and such |
| 06:15.35 | KivinSan | Thank you Shadowed. That's been copied for the tickets |
| 06:15.48 | Shadowed | Oh give it a break |
| 06:15.50 | Shadowed | stop being so bitchy |
| 06:15.59 | KivinSan | me? |
| 06:16.17 | Fisker- | As far as i've heard these kind of offenses are considered above mild and won't just yield a warning the first time :P |
| 06:16.24 | Shadowed | of course you |
| 06:16.28 | Fisker- | so i love reporting those kind of people for the lulz |
| 06:16.36 | KivinSan | With all respect, kiss my ass. |
| 06:17.06 | Pkekyo| | that's just like my GM....he rolled a frostmage so he could be an annoying, obnoxious cunt in BGs |
| 06:18.05 | Fisker- | i want wotlk :( |
| 06:18.11 | Fisker- | and the white snow |
| 06:18.24 | CIA-8 | 03ixchael * r57830 10Unsolicited/Unsolicited.toc: |
| 06:18.24 | CIA-8 | Unsolicited: |
| 06:18.24 | CIA-8 | - No longer displays as out-of-date in the AddOn List (long overdue) |
| 06:18.27 | Pkekyo| | in opposite to the pink and green snow? |
| 06:18.29 | Fisker- | and by white snow i'm not talking northrend hoho |
| 06:18.53 | Pkekyo| | sod-all, I'm off to school...laters peeps |
| 06:19.15 | Fisker- | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=white+snow |
| 06:19.16 | Fisker- | :O |
| 06:19.28 | Fisker- | but i especially want: http://www.wowwiki.com/Inscription |
| 06:19.44 | Fisker- | probably gonna be the new jewelcrafting |
| 06:20.32 | Fisker- | I just hope there's one for Holy Light that makes the spell useful |
| 06:20.33 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 06:21.09 | Shirik | there are cases where it's useful |
| 06:21.15 | Shirik | but in general you won't be using it |
| 06:21.30 | Shirik | it's no different than someone like me where flash heal is mostly worthless, but useful in certain circumstances |
| 06:22.25 | Fisker- | well you actually have a variety of spells other than flash light and greater heal |
| 06:22.33 | Fisker- | flash heal* |
| 06:22.44 | Fisker- | We have Flash of Light and Holy Light |
| 06:23.01 | Fisker- | Holy Light is mostly useless, only good for burning some mana if you need your regen to be effecient |
| 06:23.12 | Shirik | and you have plate |
| 06:23.26 | Fisker- | which means exactly what? |
| 06:23.30 | Shirik | do we need to keep discussing old differences? These arguments have been fought over time and time again |
| 06:24.02 | Fisker- | I didn't knew plate augmented my healing abillities into new ones |
| 06:24.17 | Shirik | it does, just not so much in pve |
| 06:24.29 | Killmore | Fisker-: If I want white snow I just have to go outside :( |
| 06:24.33 | Fisker- | if you're trying to say paladins are good healers in pvp i'd laugh |
| 06:24.52 | Fisker- | The paladins are the only class who can't heal without doing anything |
| 06:25.03 | Fisker- | Meet a skilled opponent and you're toast |
| 06:25.17 | Shirik | I'm not going to argue this, it's pointless |
| 06:25.21 | Shirik | If you don't like your class, reroll |
| 06:25.26 | Fisker- | The priest, druid, and even shaman to some extent can still heal itself and his mates while not being able to be interrupted |
| 06:25.48 | Fisker- | You're the one starting the argument to begin with |
| 06:26.04 | Shirik | I do believe you were the one who insinuated that holy light is worthless in the first place |
| 06:26.08 | Shirik | which is very wrong |
| 06:26.12 | KivinSan | *sigh* |
| 06:26.30 | Fisker- | I said it wasn't useful |
| 06:26.34 | Fisker- | not worthless |
| 06:26.56 | Shirik | if it's not useful, why would you cast it? If you wouldn't cast it, then how is it not worthless? |
| 06:26.57 | Fisker- | And i like paladins |
| 06:27.02 | Fisker- | i just say there's lots of room for improvement |
| 06:27.19 | Fisker- | Because it depends on the situation |
| 06:27.25 | Shirik | ha |
| 06:27.26 | Fisker- | in 5-mans you're usually forced to be using it at some point |
| 06:27.29 | Fisker- | atleast on heroics |
| 06:27.38 | Shirik | [01:21:09] <+Shirik> there are cases where it's useful |
| 06:27.38 | Shirik | [01:21:14] <+Shirik> but in general you won't be using it |
| 06:27.38 | Shirik | [01:21:29] <+Shirik> it's no different than someone like me where flash heal is mostly worthless, but useful in certain circumstances |
| 06:27.40 | Shirik | How ironic |
| 06:27.52 | Fisker- | i never disagreed |
| 06:27.58 | Fisker- | So not really that ironic |
| 06:29.12 | Fisker- | But the first thing there's going to happen in any good arena team is: |
| 06:29.21 | Fisker- | *You heal a friend* |
| 06:29.24 | Fisker- | BAM COUNTERSPELL RAWR |
| 06:29.48 | Shirik | last I checked I didn't have any defense against counterspell either |
| 06:29.52 | Shirik | yet you have concentration aura |
| 06:30.01 | Shirik | But again, I'm dropping it here. This is pointless. |
| 06:30.03 | Fisker- | You have instant spells |
| 06:30.12 | Fisker- | you know, those can't be counterspelled to lock you out for 8 seconds |
| 06:30.58 | Fisker- | I just hope we get some new healing for WotLK that's all :P |
| 06:31.43 | Pkekyo| | and I hope you both get spanked for arguing so much about nothing |
| 06:31.50 | Fisker- | definitely |
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| 06:32.14 | Shirik | only if you give it Pkekyo| |
| 06:32.14 | Fisker- | i'm so pissed at the new zul'aman gear though |
| 06:32.32 | Fisker- | "Yaaay spell haste, now i can wait 0,2 seconds before being able to cast spells again, thanks blizzard!" |
| 06:32.38 | Pkekyo| | Shirik: no can do...sports injury, I'm no good for spankking anymore :< |
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| 06:33.30 | Fisker- | http://view.break.com/425848 |
| 06:34.22 | Pkekyo| | rofl Fisker- |
| 06:35.50 | Pkekyo| | wait a minute! wait a minute! wait a minute! |
| 06:36.22 | Fisker- | yeah |
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| 06:39.08 | Pkekyo| | http://www.break.com/index/italian_students_fondle_teacher.html L M F A O |
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| 06:40.58 | Fisker- | WANT |
| 06:41.39 | Fisker- | lol wtf |
| 06:41.53 | Pkekyo| | having a teacher like that at age 13 |
| 06:41.54 | Pkekyo| | zomg |
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| 06:47.53 | bigzero | odds of a fire mage soloing Magistrate in UD Strat at 70?? |
| 06:48.24 | Pkekyo| | http://www.break.com/index/skateboard-nut-split.html rofl |
| 06:48.26 | Fin | what level fire mage? |
| 06:48.35 | CIA-8 | 03ixchael * r57831 10Historian/embeds.xml: |
| 06:48.35 | CIA-8 | Historian: |
| 06:48.35 | CIA-8 | - Fixed a problem where the Deformat library would not load. |
| 06:48.50 | Fisker- | you can slow him and root him right? |
| 06:48.58 | bigzero | fin, 70 |
| 06:49.06 | Fin | 1? |
| 06:49.10 | bigzero | Fisker-, he's a boss...don;t think so |
| 06:49.11 | Fin | (odds) |
| 06:49.33 | Fisker- | he's the guy with the key |
| 06:49.36 | Fisker- | not really a boss |
| 06:49.36 | bigzero | yeah |
| 06:49.47 | bigzero | hmmm |
| 06:49.54 | bigzero | i guess i'll try and see |
| 06:50.37 | Fisker- | the most important thing is to keep range |
| 06:50.48 | Fisker- | he keeps stacking himself with a buff, and his attacks heal him |
| 06:51.24 | bigzero | wow really? i've ran that place like a million times and all i knew about his abilities is that he knocks back |
| 06:52.27 | Fisker- | he's usually dead before they have any effect |
| 06:52.36 | Fisker- | I tried soloing him once with my paladin |
| 06:52.48 | Fisker- | figuring that i could just put up seal of light and spank him to death |
| 06:53.10 | Fisker- | but he kept growing and kept hitting harder, and in the end he hit so hard that he easily outhealed my damage |
| 06:54.24 | bigzero | ...and I live...with 170 hp |
| 06:54.35 | bigzero | not rootable btw |
| 06:55.25 | Fin | well done |
| 06:55.41 | bigzero | ok, here goes...let's see if i can survive the event |
| 06:56.01 | Fisker- | well they're coming one at a time anyways |
| 06:56.08 | Fisker- | they're pretty slow by level 70 dps standards :P |
| 06:56.39 | bigzero | but i am squishy |
| 06:56.47 | bigzero | and tbh I have like no hp |
| 06:57.03 | Fisker- | well patchwerk might be hard |
| 06:57.15 | Fisker- | should've been frost rawr |
| 06:57.27 | bigzero | !c us spirestone bigzero |
| 06:57.29 | ThraeBot | bigzero: Bigzero, Level 70 Troll Mage: armory cache miss. Play more, nubstick! (Incomplete data. Character may be awaiting refresh on Armoury.) [[ TBR: ? ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yqqbpc ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3aaby2 ][ Updated: Thu Jan 3 02:02:33 2008 EST ]] |
| 06:57.34 | Fisker- | owned |
| 06:57.36 | bigzero | yeah, me gusta frost |
| 06:58.06 | bigzero | i specced fire for SSC, then quit wow and now was waiting for 2.3.2 to respec |
| 06:58.20 | bigzero | frost is so much fun soloing stuff |
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| 07:06.04 | Zhinjio | what strata does DewDrop use by default, and can that be changed? |
| 07:08.44 | Zhinjio | looks like it is at least "Low" |
| 07:10.32 | bigzero | i have a feeling Ramstein will own me hard |
| 07:14.01 | bigzero | yeah...1k+ per hit plus a knockback = bad |
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| 07:26.51 | CIA-8 | 03xska * r57832 10AceProfit/AceProfit.lua: |
| 07:26.51 | CIA-8 | AceProfit: |
| 07:26.51 | CIA-8 | -fix a case of destroying junk on login |
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| 07:27.55 | *** mode/#wowace [+v KarlThePagan] by ChanServ |
| 07:28.51 | CIA-8 | 03xska * r57833 10AceProfit/AceProfit.lua: |
| 07:28.51 | CIA-8 | AceProfit: |
| 07:28.51 | CIA-8 | -small typo |
| 07:29.52 | CIA-8 | 03ixchael * r57834 10Historian/embeds.xml: |
| 07:29.52 | CIA-8 | Historian: |
| 07:29.52 | CIA-8 | - Fixed a problem where the FubarPlugin and Tablet libraries would not load. |
| 07:31.10 | KarlThePagan | is there a nicely done mod which does a whole player model for your target? |
| 07:31.21 | KarlThePagan | or perhaps a pitbull plugin? |
| 07:31.54 | Orionshock | KarlThePagan: yes |
| 07:32.14 | Orionshock | portraits module has that option iirc |
| 07:32.47 | KarlThePagan | hmm |
| 07:33.04 | Orionshock | don't use pitbull anymore, got into ace3-aguf |
| 07:33.08 | KarlThePagan | looks like i would have to play with the layout to get what i want |
| 07:33.26 | KarlThePagan | my next macine is going to have some serious horsepower |
| 07:33.33 | Orionshock | it's pitbull, when don't you? |
| 07:33.37 | KarlThePagan | so i wanna take advantage of it |
| 07:33.43 | KarlThePagan | heh |
| 07:37.42 | KarlThePagan | hmm |
| 07:37.55 | KarlThePagan | I think i want something separate from pitbull to do this |
| 07:38.44 | KarlThePagan | would be nice to be toggleable |
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| 07:45.49 | Aeyan | ace3-aguf will be awesome once they let me edit what text goes where |
| 07:45.57 | CIA-8 | 03ixchael * r57835 10Historian/Historian.lua: |
| 07:45.57 | CIA-8 | Historian: |
| 07:45.57 | CIA-8 | - Rapidly and repeatedly pressing the spacebar no longer increases the jump counter by more than usual. |
| 07:47.01 | Antiarc | Reasons I love bugged Akama: http://wowwebstats.com/arkqveau4ecga?s=7617-7662 |
| 07:47.02 | Antiarc | Lulz. |
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| 07:50.46 | snorks | test |
| 07:50.57 | Antiarc | epic fail. |
| 07:51.03 | Ixchael | Antiarc: Perhaps you could explain? It's early and I don't feel like wading through statistics to find what's so funny :) |
| 07:51.16 | Antiarc | Ixchael: It's a very short, very easy fight when he's bugged |
| 07:51.20 | Antiarc | You don't have to kill channelers |
| 07:51.30 | Antiarc | So it's super short and fast. |
| 07:51.38 | Antiarc | Your DPS puts out insane numbers for a very short time and you get free epics. |
| 07:51.41 | KarlThePagan | 1 minute fight there? |
| 07:51.43 | Ixchael | Oh. What makes him bug? |
| 07:51.52 | Antiarc | 1:11, yeah |
| 07:51.56 | Antiarc | I don't know what makes him bug |
| 07:52.00 | Antiarc | But he was bugged for us tonight |
| 07:52.00 | snorks | Hi, I'm a slackware user and I was using Kemayo's wowace python script to update my addons. I noticed "INFO Checking http://files.wowace.com/latest-noext.xml for updated addons". Is this the correct file still? |
| 07:52.06 | Antiarc | Channelers just weren't doing anything |
| 07:52.14 | Antiarc | snorks: Sounds right |
| 07:52.15 | _neuron_ | snorks, yeah it works |
| 07:52.18 | Ixchael | Ahh okay - guess you just get lucky sometimes :) |
| 07:52.25 | snorks | it didn't update pitbull though |
| 07:52.31 | snorks | only touched a few of the addons |
| 07:53.15 | snorks | when i manually checked to see if pitbull had in fact been updated since 28th December, it said last updated 23 hours ago so that's a confirmitive |
| 07:53.58 | snorks | but i guess this is no longer something you guys have to help me with |
| 07:54.00 | _neuron_ | it ignores addons which has a .svn directory, if you did a svn checkout it'll skip it |
| 07:54.03 | snorks | thanks anyway for confirming the file |
| 07:55.22 | snorks | there is no .svn dir in my pitbull directory which is why this is puzzling |
| 07:55.36 | _neuron_ | open the wowace python file and put in some print lines when it skips something then :P |
| 07:56.01 | snorks | ofc |
| 07:56.03 | snorks | thanks for all help |
| 07:56.22 | _neuron_ | hey I just woke up, dont have anything better to do atm ;) |
| 07:59.22 | snorks | -f -u switches did the trick it seems |
| 07:59.32 | vithos | akama isn't bugged anymore for us |
| 07:59.35 | snorks | if im very lucky all my addons are fubar |
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| 08:00.18 | snorks | aye -f -u did the trick woot |
| 08:00.29 | Zhinjio | confirmitive. wow. what a great word. |
| 08:02.15 | snorks | it is, is not it |
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| 08:14.58 | CIA-8 | Cartographer_Sidelist |
| 08:14.58 | CIA-8 | - rewrite icon path retrieval to abuse tables less |
| 08:14.58 | CIA-8 | - use Strategy to get note titles (like for icon paths), particularly |
| 08:14.58 | CIA-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.59 | CIA-8 | - add "pretty" override for nnTrainers category |
| 08:15.03 | CIA-8 | - alphabetically sort note categories by pretty name, not db name |
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| 08:17.46 | ckknight_ | so... |
| 08:17.52 | ckknight_ | Iowa Caucuses soon |
| 08:18.58 | Lukian | bah Relegation fails on oceanic |
| 08:19.02 | Killmore | omg ckknight |
| 08:19.14 | ckknight | hey Killmore |
| 08:19.48 | KivinSan | http://www.break.com/index/indian-guy-has-panic-attack-on-plane.html |
| 08:24.31 | Killmore | haha |
| 08:26.12 | Zhinjio | hey ckknight |
| 08:26.52 | Zhinjio | I did s'more testing passing pitbull layouts between players today. no workie. Didn't do any further analysis though. sometime I'll get around to debugging it |
| 08:30.38 | KivinSan | A feature I'd like to see (and maybe should write, myself) is the ability to copy colours, especially in bulk, from one frame to another |
| 08:33.01 | KivinSan | Is there some technical or practical reason why colours aren't stored in layouts? |
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| 08:47.24 | ckknight | you know what's funny? |
| 08:47.31 | ckknight | Huckabee/Norris 2008 |
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| 08:47.56 | KivinSan | umm... any comment on the colour thing, ck? |
| 08:49.16 | ckknight | hard. |
| 08:49.38 | KivinSan | Is it? |
| 08:50.56 | Health | Mmm. Hard. |
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| 08:54.16 | thul | CHOCOLATE RAIN |
| 08:54.21 | Health | Good one |
| 08:54.22 | xt | old |
| 08:54.56 | Kalroth | chocolate pain! *unzips* |
| 08:55.30 | Health | You're such a funny guy Kalroth |
| 08:55.43 | Kalroth | At least I'm not swedish. |
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| 08:56.56 | thul | poor swedes |
| 08:57.01 | thul | but at least they have boar hunt. |
| 08:57.03 | thul | i want to hunt boars |
| 08:57.09 | Health | We have? |
| 08:57.39 | theoddone33 | this av boycott stuff is killing me |
| 08:57.51 | theoddone33 | hour and a half queues |
| 08:58.32 | Gngsk | poor guy |
| 08:59.08 | theoddone33 | I don't even know how they managed to organize such a thing |
| 08:59.40 | Gngsk | they prolly just realized, oh hey we suck in here, let's go do something else for more honor! |
| 08:59.53 | theoddone33 | there's nothing that's more honor |
| 09:00.08 | Zhinjio | thul: I'm going to be hearing that in my sleep if you keep bringing it up. Stop, for the love of god. |
| 09:00.10 | theoddone33 | well, maybe in 2.3 |
| 09:00.40 | thul | Zhinjio:D |
| 09:00.46 | thul | 2.3 didn't come tonight? :-( |
| 09:00.53 | thul | hmm |
| 09:00.57 | thul | av-boycott? |
| 09:00.59 | thul | tell me about it? |
| 09:01.09 | theoddone33 | alliance is boycotting AV or something |
| 09:01.11 | theoddone33 | on my battlegroup |
| 09:01.26 | theoddone33 | it's... very dumb |
| 09:01.29 | SunTsu | thul: 2.3 is ages old ;) Everybody waits for 2.3.2 |
| 09:01.57 | SunTsu | And I won't dare to ask what became of 2.3.1 |
| 09:03.03 | theoddone33 | I'm really not looking forward to 2.3.2 |
| 09:03.15 | theoddone33 | except I maybe will play my mage more |
| 09:03.25 | thul | SunTsu: i meant 2.3.2 |
| 09:03.26 | thul | :-( |
| 09:03.42 | thul | theoddone33: hmm, why? |
| 09:03.51 | theoddone33 | big mage buffs |
| 09:04.06 | theoddone33 | rogues are getting nerfbuffed |
| 09:04.11 | theoddone33 | paladins are staying the same |
| 09:04.14 | theoddone33 | so meh |
| 09:04.41 | theoddone33 | they're buffing the most stupid common rogue spec |
| 09:04.43 | KivinSan | paladins are getting a crusader strike buff |
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| 09:04.58 | thul | theoddone33: shadowstep is fun in bgs:P |
| 09:05.00 | theoddone33 | looks like a quasi-buff depending on how you gear |
| 09:05.00 | KivinSan | bloomtard hunters are getting their bloom nerfed <3 <3 <3 |
| 09:05.12 | KivinSan | errr druids |
| 09:05.41 | theoddone33 | I'm thinking I really don't like any of the pvp changes they've made to rogues since TBC was released |
| 09:06.08 | KivinSan | I wish they'd just scrap that subtlety tree and remove it from the game |
| 09:06.24 | KivinSan | So I'd stop getting hemo mace rogues in my guild QQing that I wont let them on the Kara team |
| 09:06.47 | Fisker- | qq less theoddone33 |
| 09:06.55 | theoddone33 | heh |
| 09:07.11 | theoddone33 | Fisker-: I deleted the big sentence I was in the middle of typing just for you |
| 09:07.18 | Fisker- | "oh noes we not be easily winning AV's despite our tactical advantages, lets trike" |
| 09:07.39 | Fisker- | strike* |
| 09:07.40 | theoddone33 | yeah |
| 09:07.45 | theoddone33 | it's dumb |
| 09:08.17 | theoddone33 | thinking of taking my rogue 100% pve |
| 09:08.28 | theoddone33 | then playing my paladin and mage |
| 09:08.51 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=2111805363&postId=21110558907&sid=1#2 |
| 09:08.52 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 09:09.09 | Fisker- | that's a mage if yo uwant pvp :o |
| 09:10.29 | thul | KivinSan: i outdps our combat dagger/sword rogues with hemo:P |
| 09:11.34 | KivinSan | thul: Find better combat sword friends |
| 09:11.45 | theoddone33 | I think I'd be happy if they took real steps to make a dagger spec that's competitive in pvp and made the assassination and sub trees equally balanced for pvp |
| 09:11.59 | theoddone33 | but most people are going heavy combat for... everything |
| 09:12.04 | evl | dagger is dead :( |
| 09:12.15 | evl | blizzard keeps tripping over their own previous fuckups trying to fix it |
| 09:12.30 | theoddone33 | now they're just buffing ambush/backstab in a ridiculous way |
| 09:12.38 | evl | "let's add 6% backstab damage!" lol nvm swords suprerior. |
| 09:12.41 | theoddone33 | "please use daggers... for us!" |
| 09:13.02 | evl | The endgame is littered with fast offhands but nobody uses them, *clap* |
| 09:13.04 | theoddone33 | but I still thing mutilate is the only thing close to a real viable pvp dagger spec |
| 09:13.13 | theoddone33 | think |
| 09:13.17 | evl | but then you play HARP and realize mutilate is shit |
| 09:13.19 | thul | KivinSan: pfft, hemo rocks. EJ ftw. |
| 09:13.38 | KivinSan | thul: I've read every bit of literature I know of on EJ regarding rogues |
| 09:13.47 | theoddone33 | I'd play AR/prep but I don't have anything but daggers :( |
| 09:13.47 | KivinSan | thul: And a hemo rogue is not going in my raid group |
| 09:14.05 | evl | I mean one abolish poison and a resilience stacked target will give you a fast way to empty half your enery bar for 500 combined damage and now you don't have energy to shiv/kick/blind |
| 09:14.50 | theoddone33 | yup |
| 09:15.13 | theoddone33 | and if you want to do a high mutilate it's cheapshot shiv random finisher mutilate |
| 09:15.14 | evl | that combined with the fact that experienced people see you are daggers and simply... turn. |
| 09:15.25 | thul | KivinSan: well, that is your problem :-P |
| 09:15.27 | theoddone33 | and there's just not enough energy for that |
| 09:15.28 | thul | KivinSan: you miss the dps :-) |
| 09:15.30 | Fisker- | i met 3 ar/prep rogues in an arena once :( |
| 09:15.32 | Fisker- | it was madness |
| 09:15.35 | KivinSan | thul:Not exactly |
| 09:15.46 | thul | KivinSan: well, according to ej you do :-P |
| 09:15.55 | Fisker- | Popped my shield within seconds, just to have them scatter and repeat the process 10 seconds later |
| 09:15.57 | Fisker- | fuck them |
| 09:15.58 | Fisker- | :( |
| 09:16.04 | evl | hehe :D |
| 09:16.11 | theoddone33 | yeah I'm not too sad about the AR nerf |
| 09:16.22 | theoddone33 | I always kind of thought that was a gimmick spec anyway |
| 09:16.25 | evl | they aren't fixing shit, they're only moving the problems to another tree |
| 09:16.27 | theoddone33 | but it was pretty effective |
| 09:16.30 | thul | I want dagger-ignring-resilience-buff |
| 09:16.37 | Fisker- | i fix shit |
| 09:16.46 | Fisker- | fixed |
| 09:16.49 | evl | nice |
| 09:16.50 | theoddone33 | maybe not a gimmick spec |
| 09:16.51 | evl | go fisker |
| 09:17.10 | theoddone33 | but I take some sadistic pleasure when ming goes "omg best spec ever" and 100,000 rogues switch to it and then it gets nerfed |
| 09:17.22 | Fisker- | haha |
| 09:17.30 | Fisker- | thought ming stopped |
| 09:17.40 | theoddone33 | maybe he has by now, I dunno |
| 09:17.46 | theoddone33 | but he was pushing ar/prep heavily pre-2.3 |
| 09:17.52 | Fisker- | ming = fag imo |
| 09:17.56 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 09:17.58 | evl | and I love how they introduced resilience and now it has completely backfired. You have warlock/druid A with ~500 resilience but behold! Rogue B and Warrior C with 1500+ passive armor reduction + executioner making it completely useless. |
| 09:18.28 | theoddone33 | I like how rogues have lower mitigation than most cloth wearers |
| 09:18.28 | evl | Who needs crits when your whites are hitting a 0 armor target |
| 09:19.16 | evl | Ironically resilience was introduced so light-armored classes would survive against hard hitting melee but now it pretty much only works against other casters. |
| 09:20.27 | theoddone33 | hunter changes make me QQ too |
| 09:20.30 | evl | a friends warrior in almost full S3 + w/sword white hits sl locks for something like 1.2k non-crit. |
| 09:20.33 | theoddone33 | I like the way they approach it |
| 09:20.35 | KivinSan | theoddone33: what changes? |
| 09:20.40 | theoddone33 | "what are the 3 most annoying things in the game?" |
| 09:20.55 | CIA-8 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r753 10/trunk/Panda/PricePanel.lua: Panda - Yup, I'm _THAT_ anal. |
| 09:20.58 | theoddone33 | "offensive dispell, MS, and mana drains" |
| 09:21.06 | theoddone33 | "OK hunters are broken, let's give them all 3" |
| 09:21.19 | evl | lol nvm los-kiting, hunter fails |
| 09:21.27 | KivinSan | I'm led to believe hunters still fail at arena |
| 09:21.35 | theoddone33 | I'm sure they do |
| 09:21.42 | evl | they still fail, just pole-dance and they can't get anything cast-time off |
| 09:21.45 | theoddone33 | I'm just bitter because my mage is still undergeared and I get tore up |
| 09:22.10 | KivinSan | I wish arena was never added, and we got some refreshing new battlegrounds instead |
| 09:22.24 | KivinSan | Now everything revolves around how a class performs in the brackets |
| 09:22.41 | theoddone33 | I dunno |
| 09:22.58 | theoddone33 | I think it's a better lens for balance problems than anything before |
| 09:23.36 | evl | 25% of all 2v2 teams are druid + warr |
| 09:23.39 | KivinSan | It's not just blizzard, either. The players get tunneled down the 1v1/2v2/3v3 mentality too. I was talking in city trade about retribution PVE dps a few weeks back and |
| 09:23.40 | evl | tell me something isn't broken plix. |
| 09:23.50 | KivinSan | some nutjob told me to "duel him" in order to prove that his opinion was better than mine |
| 09:23.55 | theoddone33 | but yeah I'm not all that happy with the way things have worked out... I like arena though, still |
| 09:24.18 | theoddone33 | when I get the chance to play at least |
| 09:24.21 | theoddone33 | seems like not very often |
| 09:24.51 | theoddone33 | paladin in battlegrounds is really really easy to play |
| 09:24.56 | KivinSan | indeed |
| 09:24.59 | theoddone33 | but there's a lot more to be aware of and think about in arena |
| 09:25.06 | KivinSan | I mop the floor in bgs |
| 09:25.16 | KivinSan | only just grasping onto my 1500 rating in the 2v2, though |
| 09:25.18 | theoddone33 | so it's more interesting and reveals skill differences between players more easily |
| 09:25.37 | theoddone33 | I say that as a horde paladin still learning to arena |
| 09:26.08 | KivinSan | I don't think it's realistic to believe I'll ever do well in arena |
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| 09:26.33 | theoddone33 | maybe not in the lower brackets, but I'm led to believe that how well paladins do is mostly due to their teammates |
| 09:26.33 | KivinSan | I wont fit season 1 gear because it's total trash for paladins, so my resil is utter crap |
| 09:27.07 | theoddone33 | s1 gear is bad? I guess I haven't looked at any of it |
| 09:27.13 | theoddone33 | I'm doing pretty good for gear |
| 09:27.25 | KivinSan | My rogue partner and I win rounds by totally zerg rushing people. Mount up, crash into them in their buff flat, and wipe out the most damaging person instantly |
| 09:27.29 | KivinSan | s1 is total trash for paladins |
| 09:27.38 | KivinSan | it has no resillience and it's all spell damage and nonsense that we dont' use any more |
| 09:27.45 | theoddone33 | you're ret? |
| 09:27.50 | KivinSan | that ia m |
| 09:27.53 | theoddone33 | ahh |
| 09:28.15 | theoddone33 | yeah they should give you access to the warrior s1 set |
| 09:28.29 | KivinSan | that would be nice for pvp |
| 09:28.34 | theoddone33 | at least then there'd be a choice |
| 09:28.45 | theoddone33 | spell damage is pretty stupid |
| 09:28.47 | KivinSan | prior to 2.3, i was really happy with the way ret s1 was set up |
| 09:29.04 | KivinSan | the fact that it has no resil on the budget means it's better than t4 for damage stats |
| 09:29.09 | theoddone33 | yeah now with crusader strike changing there will be no use for dmg at all |
| 09:29.15 | KivinSan | you're right |
| 09:29.28 | theoddone33 | even judging crusader seems like a waste |
| 09:29.33 | theoddone33 | over wisdom |
| 09:29.34 | KivinSan | I'm hoping blizzard will eventually stop and go "wait a minute... we changed the whole class mechanics but didn't change the gear. Oops!" |
| 09:29.45 | KivinSan | crusader gets judged for +3% crit |
| 09:29.50 | theoddone33 | oh right |
| 09:29.57 | KivinSan | which is total awsomesause |
| 09:30.03 | theoddone33 | yeah I forgot about that |
| 09:30.08 | theoddone33 | it's a bit new and all |
| 09:30.17 | KivinSan | I'm slowly training all the tankadins that i group with to judge wisdom on bosses |
| 09:30.31 | theoddone33 | heh no kidding |
| 09:30.49 | Zhinjio | hmm |
| 09:30.52 | theoddone33 | I'd love a ret set |
| 09:30.55 | KivinSan | With a good tank and no practical threat ceiling, I can reach over 700 DPS in heroic groups with nothing but blues on, so the 3% crit is very nice |
| 09:31.04 | Zhinjio | that depends how big of an issue threat is on the fight |
| 09:31.44 | theoddone33 | pretty sure I haven't seen any good ret gear drop in a heroic yet |
| 09:31.47 | Zhinjio | and you're certainly not judging wisdom for yourself, but for the raid |
| 09:31.47 | theoddone33 | for me |
| 09:32.03 | KivinSan | theoddone33: Ret gear is the stuff that an MS warrior would use |
| 09:32.09 | theoddone33 | yup |
| 09:32.10 | KivinSan | There's bits and peices of it |
| 09:32.24 | theoddone33 | I'm fairly sure I know how to gear for it |
| 09:32.30 | theoddone33 | I just don't have any of the gear |
| 09:32.31 | KivinSan | I'm unfortuantely using too much rogue gear that floats my way. I have too many 'hit rating and attack power' items |
| 09:32.53 | KivinSan | I have 130 hit rating plus the 3/3 precision talent... i'm way over the hit cap |
| 09:32.57 | theoddone33 | stupid crow wing reaper is my best 2h |
| 09:33.05 | KivinSan | i use a gladiator sword |
| 09:33.12 | KivinSan | it was the best purchase ive ever made |
| 09:33.14 | theoddone33 | yeah I want one of those |
| 09:33.18 | theoddone33 | but so expensive |
| 09:33.18 | KivinSan | 2k white crits are yummyu |
| 09:33.25 | theoddone33 | esp with AV boycott grrr |
| 09:33.25 | KivinSan | get it before armor... you wont regret it |
| 09:34.06 | KivinSan | I have like 8k HP unbuffed and 30 resil and I absolutely clean up in BGs. Usually top 2 damage done and first in killing blows |
| 09:34.09 | theoddone33 | I was using honor to build my holy set |
| 09:34.15 | KivinSan | eww, holy |
| 09:34.15 | theoddone33 | I still need trinket and I think a ring :( |
| 09:34.26 | theoddone33 | well that's my primary spec |
| 09:34.31 | KivinSan | yuck, yuck |
| 09:34.44 | theoddone33 | what, you don't like cookies? |
| 09:34.46 | theoddone33 | I could cut some for you |
| 09:35.39 | theoddone33 | my holy gear is pretty nice now though |
| 09:35.42 | theoddone33 | been working on a prot se |
| 09:35.44 | theoddone33 | t |
| 09:36.06 | theoddone33 | been a long time since I've gotten any ret pieces |
| 09:36.17 | KivinSan | once i have my epic flight paid for, i'm going to gear up for prot for kara |
| 09:36.27 | theoddone33 | prot would be more useful as a backup spec since I have two dps classes at 70 |
| 09:36.35 | KivinSan | i spent a month doing the respec dance on my shaman and wont let myself do that again til epic flight is out of the way |
| 09:36.43 | Zhinjio | I love being prot spec |
| 09:36.51 | Zhinjio | so far, its my favorite mode of pallying. |
| 09:36.56 | KivinSan | prot would be just something for kara night and then i'd be back to ret |
| 09:36.59 | Zhinjio | (not having done any ret) |
| 09:37.00 | theoddone33 | I'm just ok with the fact that I'll never have an epic flyer |
| 09:37.17 | theoddone33 | yeah prot would be for kara/za |
| 09:37.20 | KivinSan | As we speak, i'm leveling my hunter through outland to divert his quest money to epic flight |
| 09:37.21 | theoddone33 | not so much ZA heh |
| 09:37.42 | Zhinjio | I've tanked all of kara, but none of ZA (yet) |
| 09:38.14 | KivinSan | I have a kara group that has everything up to prince on farm and is about to start trying ZA, but i'm starting my own personal kara in my new guild |
| 09:38.23 | KivinSan | so it'll be back to square one with these nubs |
| 09:38.34 | Zhinjio | yeah, kara is completely on farm now. one night clears |
| 09:38.59 | theoddone33 | oh man I was in a guild that wiped on curator for a while |
| 09:39.01 | Zhinjio | 3rd boss in ZA, gruul down for the first time this pastweek |
| 09:39.10 | KivinSan | heh curator is so easy |
| 09:39.17 | theoddone33 | then I joined my current pvp guild and everyone is in s2 arena gear and we smoke through kara |
| 09:39.47 | theoddone33 | biggest problem with being in a pvp guild is finding tanks |
| 09:40.09 | theoddone33 | so finishing my prot set would rule |
| 09:40.23 | Zhinjio | I finally hit uncrushable about a month ago. |
| 09:40.28 | KivinSan | prot pala is so gear dependent... it depresses me |
| 09:40.35 | Zhinjio | well, yeah. |
| 09:40.43 | theoddone33 | I'm looking forward to trying it |
| 09:40.49 | KivinSan | Zhinjio... would you say the 102.x% advoidance is completely mandatory before the first pull? |
| 09:40.56 | Zhinjio | I'm waiting for the darkmoon faire so I can get my second stam card. |
| 09:41.05 | Zhinjio | Kivin: hell no. |
| 09:41.13 | Zhinjio | I MT'd before I was uncrushable. |
| 09:41.13 | KivinSan | Okay, that makes me feel better |
| 09:41.26 | KivinSan | I'm trying to figure out how I can reach uncrushable just from 5 man gear |
| 09:41.29 | theoddone33 | I hear 490def is pretty easy to get though |
| 09:41.31 | Zhinjio | the only bosses that were any kind of issue were ... maybe Prince |
| 09:41.34 | KivinSan | 490 def is easy peasy |
| 09:41.38 | Zhinjio | yeah, 490 is easy |
| 09:41.53 | KivinSan | items have like 15 def skill each in many cases |
| 09:41.59 | snorks | the hard thing is having high hp, 490 def and good spell dmg and aoidance :p |
| 09:42.01 | snorks | its an art |
| 09:42.04 | KivinSan | Zhinjio: How much spell damage should I be pushing? |
| 09:42.08 | Zhinjio | even Nightbane is completely doable without being uncrushable with a couple good healers |
| 09:42.40 | Zhinjio | meh. the more the better, but I wouldn't sacrifice it for stamina, or defense stuff (parry, dodge, block, etc) |
| 09:42.40 | KivinSan | bearing in mind that there's going to be some spool up time on crap like moroes and maiden before we get to the good stuff |
| 09:42.54 | KivinSan | what would you say is mandatory? 150? 250? 350? |
| 09:43.02 | theoddone33 | I hear a 121 dmg 1h with 40 dmg chant + jotc is enough |
| 09:43.13 | Zhinjio | sure |
| 09:43.21 | theoddone33 | I guess it depends on your dpsers though |
| 09:43.22 | Zhinjio | 150 is pretty reasonable. |
| 09:43.28 | Zhinjio | I didn't focus on it at all though |
| 09:43.33 | KivinSan | That's just a one hander right there |
| 09:43.51 | KivinSan | I'll probably just farm up a gladiator spell damage mace until I can get my hands on an Ogri'la sword |
| 09:43.56 | Zhinjio | your biggest key is the first 4 seconds of combat... and your abilities to gneerate threat are making up for anything you may lack in spelldmg |
| 09:44.23 | Zhinjio | prince is especially easy since he's a demon (exorcism) |
| 09:44.39 | KivinSan | Moroes is undead, right? |
| 09:44.42 | Zhinjio | yeah |
| 09:44.47 | KivinSan | Attumen humanoid? |
| 09:44.48 | Zhinjio | but you're always dual-tanking Moroes. |
| 09:44.53 | KivinSan | yeah |
| 09:44.54 | Zhinjio | attumen is undead too |
| 09:44.58 | Zhinjio | and his horse |
| 09:45.03 | KivinSan | I'll have a very geared bear tank along side me |
| 09:45.05 | Zhinjio | dual tanks on him too |
| 09:45.07 | Zhinjio | yeah |
| 09:45.24 | Zhinjio | tanking prince was the best experience in all of kara though, I'd say |
| 09:45.30 | Zhinjio | its the most pure "tanking" you'll do. |
| 09:45.35 | Zhinjio | er, "pure" tanking |
| 09:45.56 | Zhinjio | when he dropped, I had almost double the threat of the nearest DPS, and that was without any BoS either. |
| 09:45.59 | Zhinjio | that was just awesome. |
| 09:46.24 | Zhinjio | tremendous fun. |
| 09:46.36 | Zhinjio | oh, and don't ever use holy wrath |
| 09:46.43 | KivinSan | gimmick spell |
| 09:46.56 | Zhinjio | well, casting time is too long, and you can't block while you're casting. |
| 09:47.11 | Zhinjio | so ... you == punching bag |
| 09:47.52 | Zhinjio | I'm curious about the "judge wisdom" comment though |
| 09:48.00 | KivinSan | what abou tit |
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| 09:48.14 | KivinSan | if the retadin is going to drop crusader, might as well? |
| 09:48.20 | Zhinjio | I mean, I get it. You're completely helping out all yr casting dps... but you're dropping like... 20% of your sustained threat. |
| 09:48.37 | Zhinjio | oh, heh. |
| 09:48.45 | Zhinjio | yeah, see... there's the rub. we have no current raiding retadins. |
| 09:48.51 | Zhinjio | so I never have a second seal judged on the mob |
| 09:49.03 | KivinSan | I haven't raided as ret yet, so I was refering to heroics. |
| 09:49.10 | Zhinjio | we usually have a healadin drop wisdom when needed. |
| 09:49.14 | KivinSan | But when i start raiding as retribution, i'll be dropping crusader on everything, trash or otherwise |
| 09:49.18 | Zhinjio | oh, I thought you said "on bosses" |
| 09:49.27 | KivinSan | yeah, heroic bosses |
| 09:49.44 | Zhinjio | ok. |
| 09:50.12 | Zhinjio | I've honestly never raided or run with a retadin yet. We just got our first serious retadin in our guild about 2 weeks ago |
| 09:50.20 | Zhinjio | not sure how that plays into the dynamic yet |
| 09:50.25 | KivinSan | yeah |
| 09:50.32 | KivinSan | I'm quite certain most groups are still figuring that out |
| 09:50.42 | Zhinjio | I know very little about it, honestly. |
| 09:50.52 | KivinSan | A good bulk of raid leaders are still convinced retribution isn't viable for ... anything |
| 09:50.58 | KivinSan | I have to prove myself every single god damned day |
| 09:51.07 | snorks | people can play whatever pve spec they wish as long as they have brains and gear |
| 09:51.16 | KivinSan | I have a damage meter dataset saved for literally every heroic i've done |
| 09:51.27 | Zhinjio | oh, proof is pretty much in the pudding when he's in good standing on our combatlog reports. |
| 09:51.37 | Zhinjio | Its not a proof thing, its more just how his abilities fit into the mix |
| 09:52.02 | KivinSan | Right... I was just saying, a lot of raids aren't even willing to think about ret being in the raid |
| 09:52.07 | thul | hmm, is there a wowace totem timer? |
| 09:52.10 | thul | Zicon: CHOCOLATE RAIN! |
| 09:52.12 | thul | bah |
| 09:52.14 | KivinSan | thul: yata |
| 09:52.15 | thul | that was to Zhinjio :-P |
| 09:52.17 | thul | KivinSan: thanks |
| 09:52.17 | Zhinjio | aaahahahahahahhhh.... |
| 09:52.19 | Arrowmaster | we raided with a retadin for a while |
| 09:52.46 | Arrowmaster | until him and his friends all got keyed for BT then server transfered to join another BT guild |
| 09:56.42 | KivinSan | heh if you turn nameplates on near the crashed plane at the nessingwary safari, you'll see that there are snakes on that plane :P |
| 09:57.08 | Zhinjio | man, how awesome. |
| 09:59.23 | KivinSan | I've had steady shot less than 24 hours and I've already had to teach two Lv70 hunters how to weave it into their autoshot |
| 09:59.31 | KivinSan | No wonder we get called Huntards |
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| 10:18.23 | CIA-8 | 03ammo 07Ace3 * r57837 10BetterInbox/BetterInbox.lua: BetterInbox: improve handling of moneyframe, should nolonger accidently show playermoney. Better tooltips on money received from succesful auctions. |
| 10:18.27 | thul | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Ace_Alternatives_to_Common_Addons <- press yata there KivinSan |
| 10:18.30 | thul | am I stupid, or is it gone? |
| 10:18.49 | KivinSan | I saw it on files.wowace a number of days ago |
| 10:19.17 | KivinSan | I dont' use it, so i really don't know |
| 10:19.52 | thul | ok, I'll check. |
| 10:20.15 | thul | found it |
| 10:20.24 | thul | I'm just so used checking the front page and searching :-P |
| 10:20.27 | thul | thanks |
| 10:20.29 | Zhinjio | I just use autobar for totems now. |
| 10:20.38 | KivinSan | autobar, i'll have to look in to that |
| 10:20.46 | KivinSan | i'm seriously lacking a good totem addon |
| 10:21.04 | Zhinjio | the only thing I don't like about autobar is that, ultimately, I'd like to have more bars. the two it comes with is somewhat limiting. |
| 10:21.17 | Zhinjio | but... .I make do. |
| 10:21.30 | Zhinjio | damnit, I need to finish this report for tomororw's presentation. |
| 10:21.39 | Zhinjio | its like... maybe 2 hours of effort and I can't stop procrastinating |
| 10:21.40 | KivinSan | I have trinitybars setup with a 4x12 matrix of buttons and i have lots of room, esp with the ctrl-mod bars, to fit all my totems |
| 10:21.50 | KivinSan | What i want is just a really minimal totem timer |
| 10:21.58 | FinalX | autobar groups them per element |
| 10:22.01 | FinalX | get dotimers |
| 10:22.19 | FinalX | works fine for anything with durations and cooldowns, and never breaks in new patches |
| 10:22.28 | KivinSan | groovy |
| 10:22.29 | Zhinjio | yeah, exactly |
| 10:22.30 | FinalX | i use it on my shadowpriest, warlock, shaman, warrior, everything |
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| 10:23.07 | thul | hmm, what is autobar? |
| 10:23.23 | FinalX | autobar is a bar of buttons which groups certain items together for easy usage |
| 10:23.38 | FinalX | like all healthpotions on 1 button, automaticly updating when you run out of the best ones etc |
| 10:23.45 | SunTsu | thul: an automatic bar system. Puts Items and spells into categories and you can do lots of things with it |
| 10:24.10 | FinalX | food, mana drinks, totems, mounts, everything you can think of .. also customizable, also shows items you need to use with quests and all |
| 10:24.35 | thul | ok |
| 10:24.57 | Zhinjio | yeah, I do love the quest items button |
| 10:25.06 | theoddone33 | autobar and/or pt3 bar are a must for me |
| 10:25.12 | KivinSan | i might need to look in to it for quest items |
| 10:25.15 | theoddone33 | I like pt3bar a little more because it seems lighter |
| 10:25.17 | Zhinjio | it needs to be a bit updated, though... there are definitely some quest items it doesn't know about. |
| 10:25.26 | FinalX | I love it for consumables and quest items mostly, can't live without AutoBar, it makes me grumpy if I have to do without :P |
| 10:25.28 | KivinSan | I'm currently using a 9-button bar with a really small scale that sits below my player unit frame, for quest stuff |
| 10:25.30 | FinalX | ..Saves lots of button space |
| 10:26.07 | FinalX | You can also bind keys to the buttons, and by default it shows the last thing of that button you used on top. |
| 10:26.12 | FinalX | So it remembers which totems you've used. |
| 10:26.23 | SunTsu | autobar can even reorder buttons so you have the ones always visible that you just used, great for totems and poisons and drums |
| 10:26.36 | FinalX | ..then you can easily click your grace of air, strength of earth, mana spring & searing totems or just hit hotkeys :P |
| 10:26.39 | FinalX | yep |
| 10:26.53 | FinalX | bind a mousebutton to the mount/travelform/ghostwolf button.. |
| 10:27.03 | Zhinjio | yup yup! <3 autobar. |
| 10:27.08 | KivinSan | http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9150/ss1oa3.jpg that is my current quest item solution |
| 10:27.10 | Zhinjio | one for pets!!! |
| 10:27.12 | Zhinjio | heheheee |
| 10:27.14 | FinalX | yeah :D |
| 10:27.23 | SunTsu | Just, lately, reordering doesn't work flawlessly for me, |
| 10:27.33 | Zhinjio | I use the druid bar for travel stuff... mounts, portals, hearthstone, etc. |
| 10:27.54 | SunTsu | Zhinjio: Druid bar doesn't work for me, maybe because I use the german client |
| 10:27.56 | thul | what quest-addon is that? |
| 10:28.02 | Zhinjio | oh. huh. |
| 10:28.03 | KivinSan | nQuestLog |
| 10:28.06 | FinalX | KivinSan: what's that addon telling you how happy your pet is? ag_UF is kinda annoying to see it with. |
| 10:28.15 | Zhinjio | who does autobar again? hyperchipmunk? I forget. |
| 10:28.22 | KivinSan | FinalX: Custom written addon. Going on the trunk as soon as i get around to commiting it. |
| 10:28.26 | KivinSan | FinalX: Do you want it? |
| 10:28.32 | FinalX | yeah :) |
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| 10:28.39 | KivinSan | alright, give me a few mins to do a commit |
| 10:29.26 | Zhinjio | yeah, I dig nquestlog too |
| 10:29.35 | Zhinjio | I need more framing around my UI though. |
| 10:29.42 | Zhinjio | lemme dig up a current screenie. |
| 10:29.42 | FinalX | Zhinjio: Toadkiller is what files.wowace says at least |
| 10:29.49 | Zhinjio | yeah, right. toadkiller. thats right. |
| 10:29.50 | SunTsu | Yeah, great addon, with it now fading when not mousing over it |
| 10:29.58 | Zhinjio | kick him in the junk if the druidbar isn't working for you. |
| 10:30.13 | Zhinjio | he's always been pretty responsive to fixing stuff when I've talked to him |
| 10:30.32 | SunTsu | Zhinjio: I did if I needed it, I just like everything the way it is right now |
| 10:31.57 | FinalX | autobar seems all screwed up if I'm in combat when logging in, while it's like initialising |
| 10:32.00 | FinalX | :o |
| 10:32.27 | Zhinjio | screenie dir: http://geo.trippy.org/images/zjui8/ |
| 10:32.40 | Zhinjio | autobar is the one on the right, and the druid bar on the left (bottom) |
| 10:32.57 | Herio | grats on jpeg compression |
| 10:33.00 | Herio | LAWL |
| 10:34.04 | Kalroth | grats on sounding like a 14 year old girl |
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| 10:36.00 | thul | hmm, i cant get aguf to show target's target |
| 10:37.00 | CIA-8 | 03kivin * r57838 10KivinPetHappiness/ (. KivinPetHappiness.toc main.lua): |
| 10:37.00 | CIA-8 | KivinPetHappiness: |
| 10:37.00 | CIA-8 | - Initial Commit |
| 10:37.00 | CIA-8 | - A minimal addon which notifies you of pet happiness changes in the chat console. |
| 10:37.21 | FinalX | \o/ |
| 10:37.38 | KivinSan | I cant' figure out how to do externals on the initial commit, so give me a sec |
| 10:38.11 | FinalX | I'm at work anyway atm :) |
| 10:38.15 | KivinSan | oki ^^ |
| 10:38.33 | KivinSan | It has no options, yet. still working on that |
| 10:39.39 | KivinSan | And it'll spam you every 90 seconds when your happiness goes below "Happy" until you fix it :P |
| 10:39.54 | FinalX | that's ok ;P |
| 10:40.29 | CIA-8 | 03cwdg * r57839 10WoWEquip/ (WoWEquip.lua WoWEquip.toc): WoWEquip: - add zhCN local, but i trans 30% now. |
| 10:41.37 | snorks | which addon gives alt+leftclick ability? postal or postman? |
| 10:42.00 | Zhinjio | default client does that now, snorks |
| 10:42.06 | snorks | ah ok thanks man |
| 10:42.10 | snorks | been away for 5 months |
| 10:42.13 | Zhinjio | no worries |
| 10:42.17 | FinalX | http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2008/01/02/image/Apparently%2C%20He%27s%20in%20the%20details%2C%20like%20your%20fresh%20breath.jpg |
| 10:42.21 | FinalX | o.O |
| 10:42.27 | CIA-8 | 03kivin * r57840 10KivinPetHappiness/ (. KivinPetHappiness.toc main.lua): |
| 10:42.27 | CIA-8 | KivinPetHappiness: |
| 10:42.27 | CIA-8 | - Added externals and optionalDeps to toc. |
| 10:42.32 | Zhinjio | I still use BM2I anyway, I love the nice big window with your whole inbox in it. |
| 10:42.46 | KivinSan | lol FinalX |
| 10:42.48 | Zhinjio | andtaking selected items out |
| 10:48.19 | Grum | cwdg * r57839 WoWEquip/ (WoWEquip.lua WoWEquip.toc): WoWEquip: - add zhCN local, but i trans 30% now. <--geez .. seriously.... he forgot to add the zhCN locale file O.o |
| 10:48.34 | KivinSan | so? |
| 10:51.20 | SunTsu | .o0( There shouldn't be any asian translation anyway, 75% of all commits seem to be translation corrections for asian languages ) |
| 10:51.32 | KivinSan | lol.. |
| 10:51.36 | Zhinjio | out of curiosity, how does one engage the folks to do translations? I don't need it yet, but I will eventually |
| 10:51.50 | KivinSan | Make friends with Chinese :P |
| 10:51.59 | thul | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Krotter <- do i need more ap? or is that about ok? |
| 10:52.14 | Zhinjio | I already have friends who will handle EU languages for me, I think |
| 10:52.22 | Zhinjio | de, es and fr at least |
| 10:52.24 | thul | I do norwegian translations for amazon giftcards |
| 10:52.26 | KivinSan | Or make hackjob translations with google translate to get the users using your addon and hopefully interested in fixing it |
| 10:52.27 | thul | :-P |
| 10:52.34 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 10:52.42 | Zhinjio | thats a good point |
| 10:53.18 | KivinSan | Just put in the locale file a comment saying "if you're reading this, you probably want your translations fixed. So fix them. Email me here:" |
| 10:57.06 | KivinSan | nagrand quests are the worst |
| 10:57.09 | KivinSan | kill 30 birds |
| 10:57.12 | KivinSan | now kill 30 clefthoof |
| 10:57.16 | KivinSan | now kill even more birds |
| 10:57.19 | Zhinjio | its STV v2.0 |
| 10:57.33 | KivinSan | i'm doing it for the fourth time... |
| 10:57.35 | Zhinjio | which, in a strange way, makes sense. |
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| 10:58.03 | Killmore | KivinSan: thats the best quest.. I hate quest like "find me 20 murloc heads.. and only 1 murloc out of 10 drop a head |
| 10:58.17 | Nargiddley | I prefer those to the goto the other side of the world and back a couple times ones |
| 10:58.26 | Zhinjio | hey Nargiddley |
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| 10:58.46 | thul | http://unixgen.com/~thul/quest-log-move.png <- is it possible to move that quest-log without an addon? |
| 10:58.50 | thul | or do I have to have an addon? |
| 10:59.17 | Zhinjio | the default one, you mean? |
| 10:59.28 | Zhinjio | default one isn't movable that I know of. |
| 10:59.36 | thul | k |
| 10:59.56 | KivinSan | It's going to take Lua, in either a macro or an addon |
| 11:00.15 | Zhinjio | the default quest tracking makes me cry. |
| 11:00.17 | Herio | script? |
| 11:00.52 | thul | ok |
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| 11:01.19 | Antiarc | http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jgnHlfC6pmmkoYQgugGymJa5h7jwD8TU4CRO3 |
| 11:01.21 | Antiarc | Hahahah |
| 11:01.21 | Zhinjio | ah, nice... my new dvd burner shipped. |
| 11:02.20 | KivinSan | o.o |
| 11:03.30 | Zhinjio | I decided to get a SATA one, finally obsoleting my IDE mb interfaces |
| 11:03.42 | Zhinjio | no more ribbon cable, finally |
| 11:04.11 | Antiarc | SATA is great if for nothing else than the cable size. |
| 11:04.16 | Herio | lol |
| 11:04.19 | Zhinjio | indeed. |
| 11:04.34 | Herio | i'd probably leave my optical drives IDE |
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| 11:04.47 | Herio | the SATA slots are valuable real estate |
| 11:05.10 | Zhinjio | thats true, but thats getting better with every new mb release |
| 11:05.22 | Herio | yeah... |
| 11:05.29 | Zhinjio | this last one was 4 non-raidable, 4 raidable and 2 external |
| 11:05.34 | SunTsu | Antiarc: Therefore having one cable per channel is %&(%/%&§ |
| 11:05.50 | Herio | honestly i hate the crappy "raid controllers" they give you |
| 11:05.52 | Antiarc | I don't mind one cable per channel, really. |
| 11:06.06 | Zhinjio | yeah, me too... but for simple mirroring, I'm ok with using thenm |
| 11:06.09 | Antiarc | It's actually easier than trying to wrangle one cable into two drives |
| 11:06.15 | Zhinjio | I wouldn't do anything more complex than raid 1 though |
| 11:06.27 | Herio | i wouldn't use them at all |
| 11:06.51 | Herio | i'd rather an unadulterated port or an actual legit raid controller |
| 11:07.03 | Zhinjio | yeah, I have a raid controller on my file server |
| 11:07.03 | Herio | md driver FTW |
| 11:07.12 | Zhinjio | this is just for my gaming machine. |
| 11:07.21 | Zhinjio | yup, md on my linux server |
| 11:07.22 | Herio | yeah |
| 11:07.41 | Herio | i've been thinking of getting a poweredge for the myth box... mmm |
| 11:08.02 | Herio | refurb poweredges are pretty cheap :O |
| 11:08.30 | Herio | 1 grand can get you dual quadcore >.> |
| 11:08.37 | Zhinjio | ok, one more section in this recommendations document and the final deliverable for my contract is done. |
| 11:08.40 | Zhinjio | one more push... |
| 11:09.58 | Herio | imagine the amount of video encoding you could do with dual quadcore, a sizeable amount of ram and a good raid array |
| 11:10.51 | Antiarc | My new DB server should be coming in this week |
| 11:11.14 | Herio | you could probably transcode numerous mpeg-2 streams to xvid in realtime |
| 11:11.18 | Antiarc | Dual quadcore, 16GB RAM, 15k RPM SCSI RAID2 (I think?) array. |
| 11:11.19 | Herio | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.40 | Zhinjio | I think I'll take another month contract in ... a couple months to fund a complete system upgrade. |
| 11:11.50 | Zhinjio | I need to some loafing time before then, though |
| 11:11.58 | FinalX | :D |
| 11:12.24 | KivinSan | <- Athlon XP 2200+ 1.5GB Ram >_> |
| 11:12.49 | FinalX | then again, it's not my property, I just have to test it thoroughly, which I'm quite happy to do :P |
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| 11:13.50 | KivinSan | I'm mostly just waiting for DirectX 10 video cards to come down in price before I throw this box in the closet and rebuild from scratch |
| 11:14.03 | snorks | Antiarc: private use? |
| 11:14.17 | Zhinjio | I love building servers/gaming machines where budget isn't an issue. |
| 11:14.18 | Antiarc | snorks: Yeah, company box for my startup. |
| 11:14.24 | Herio | whoa |
| 11:14.25 | Zhinjio | especially when it isn't my money *grin* |
| 11:14.27 | Herio | raid 2 is crazy |
| 11:14.36 | Herio | how many drives? |
| 11:14.45 | Antiarc | I don't think I went with RAID2, come to think of it |
| 11:14.46 | KivinSan | I regret that I know nothing about modern hard drive solutions |
| 11:15.07 | Antiarc | No, I went with RAID1. Sorry, heh. And yes, RAID2 is crazy. |
| 11:15.16 | Herio | raid2 doesn't seem very practical e.e |
| 11:15.18 | FinalX | hehe, used to have my own webhosting company, but have no regrets of starting to work here nearly 7 years ago, playing around with boxes of up to 30.000,- eur a piece and storage devices of 250k+ \o/ |
| 11:15.28 | Herio | raid5 seems better then 2 TBH |
| 11:15.44 | FinalX | it is imho |
| 11:15.44 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel 07Beta * r57841 10Ace3/ (AceDB-3.0/AceDB-3.0.lua tests/AceDB-3.0-defaults.lua): |
| 11:15.44 | CIA-8 | Ace3 - AceDB-3.0 |
| 11:15.45 | CIA-8 | - Fix ACE-115 and add a test to to check for this. |
| 11:15.45 | Antiarc | RAID5 is ideal, yeah. Just requires more drives. |
| 11:15.50 | Zhinjio | well, before I did consulting, I was managing a crisis team at eBay. Now *those* were some server rooms. |
| 11:16.01 | Fisker- | any vastly superior dvd burners these days btw_ |
| 11:16.03 | Fisker- | ? |
| 11:16.16 | Fisker- | or just go with plain ol' cheap NEC? |
| 11:16.23 | FinalX | hehe, I work for the first Dutch and one of the first European consumer ISP's as a Sr. Sysadmin :) |
| 11:16.36 | snorks | do you burn > 20 dvd's / day? |
| 11:16.37 | FinalX | Don't see myself leaving this company any time soon :D |
| 11:16.45 | Fisker- | nevar snorks |
| 11:16.54 | Fisker- | Asus just killed my IDE drive |
| 11:16.55 | snorks | i'd take the absolute cheapest there is |
| 11:17.08 | Fisker- | besides NEC were pretty good for burning |
| 11:17.13 | snorks | yeah |
| 11:17.16 | Fisker- | they just had some insane media restrictions |
| 11:17.17 | snorks | iznice |
| 11:17.21 | Zhinjio | cd/dvd drives, I always went plextor |
| 11:17.35 | Zhinjio | the latest series of their drives are repackages though, not even their own tech |
| 11:17.40 | Zhinjio | so now I need to find something new |
| 11:17.47 | Fisker- | btw what are you getting a server for Antiarc? :O |
| 11:18.05 | snorks | his startup apparently, whatever that is :/ |
| 11:18.16 | Herio | raid4 seams to be a good middle ground between 1 and 5 >.> |
| 11:18.30 | Antiarc | I'm working on a startup company. Socially-driven web apps - not trying to replace social networks, but provide tools that build on social connections. |
| 11:18.41 | Zhinjio | hmm. |
| 11:18.54 | Antiarc | We've got some angel investment and are gonna be looking at series a venture capital in the next 6-8 weeks. |
| 11:19.10 | Fisker- | oh |
| 11:19.13 | Droolio | i defo recommend pioneer dvd burners if you're looking at the choices |
| 11:19.17 | Fisker- | i don't hope you crash and burn then |
| 11:19.20 | Zhinjio | how many people at the start? |
| 11:19.23 | Fisker- | only the social network sites |
| 11:19.37 | Fisker- | you go get them money and help crash them |
| 11:19.38 | Fisker- | wooo |
| 11:19.50 | Antiarc | Well, the idea is to build on them, rather than try to supplant them :) |
| 11:19.51 | snorks | yeah |
| 11:20.04 | snorks | rid Tellus of facebook and ill go on air and thank you |
| 11:20.32 | Antiarc | well, we're operating under the idea that independent of these sites - facebook, myspace, whatever - you have an existing social graph |
| 11:20.55 | Antiarc | And we think there's a lot of potential in that, no matter how you define it online, which we want to tap |
| 11:21.02 | Zhinjio | hmm. |
| 11:21.11 | Zhinjio | roi is tough |
| 11:21.14 | CIA-8 | 03scorpio0920 * r57842 10GlowFoSho/locales/Locale-zhTW.lua: |
| 11:21.14 | CIA-8 | GlowFoSho: |
| 11:21.14 | CIA-8 | - Update zhTW translation. |
| 11:21.27 | Zhinjio | whats yr profit angle? advertising space? |
| 11:22.22 | Antiarc | That's a minimal revenue source, but won't be a primary. Our initial products are going to look at leveraging social connections for the purposes of product recommendations in the context of purchases, mostly, so there's a lot of affiliate/partnership potential there. |
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| 11:23.51 | Zhinjio | sure, I'll buy that. |
| 11:23.55 | [Liquidor] | http://www.stage6.com/user/Mysted/video/2018780/Engineering-The-Movie |
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| 11:24.10 | Zhinjio | good luck with ti! |
| 11:24.11 | Zhinjio | er, it! |
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| 11:24.15 | Antiarc | Thanks :) |
| 11:24.29 | Antiarc | I like that clad logs on to IRC to set his status to "sleep" |
| 11:24.34 | clad|sleep | :P |
| 11:24.42 | Zhinjio | lemme know if you need architecture consulting. I'm yr man. |
| 11:24.46 | clad|sleep | i've been up since 6am GMT yesterday |
| 11:24.52 | clad|sleep | just plugged my laptop in, going to bed now :P |
| 11:25.08 | SunTsu | clad|sleep: First things first, right? ;) |
| 11:25.09 | Antiarc | Hehe, will do. I'm a software guy, and know enough hardware architecture to be dangerous, but not as much as I'd like :) |
| 11:25.37 | clad|sleep | true dat! |
| 11:25.43 | clad|sleep | got a chicken wrap |
| 11:25.47 | clad|sleep | some fries |
| 11:25.50 | clad|sleep | now is sleepytime |
| 11:26.29 | Antiarc | Also |
| 11:26.48 | Antiarc | I'm convinced that someone needs to write and publish a spec for decentralized secure profile linking across sites |
| 11:26.49 | thul | I'm a dinosaur, someone is digging my bones |
| 11:26.53 | Antiarc | I'm this close to doing it myself |
| 11:26.59 | Antiarc | I'm pretty shocked nobody has done it yet |
| 11:27.10 | Fisker- | what the fuck |
| 11:27.16 | Zhinjio | oh yeah, no doubt. well, the bigs have been trying to do that for a few years already |
| 11:27.25 | Fisker- | are companies just randomly upping revision numbers on hardware to sell more? |
| 11:27.33 | Zhinjio | MS did the whole "online wallet" thing, that was their ill-fated attempt |
| 11:27.39 | Antiarc | Well, that's centralized. |
| 11:27.51 | Herio | i think they called it a "passport" |
| 11:27.53 | Fisker- | http://www.sonynec-optiarc.de/en/exhibits/half-height-drives/ad-7203s.html |
| 11:27.55 | Zhinjio | ah, missed that word. |
| 11:27.56 | Fisker- | http://www.sonynec-optiarc.de/en/exhibits/half-height-drives/ad-7191s |
| 11:28.03 | Fisker- | they're the same :( |
| 11:28.34 | Antiarc | I'm thinking you could do it decentralized with a server-client setup, kinda like OpenID does. Basically, you have a profile on Site A. I sign up on Site B, and then can say "I belong to Site A", and verify that by bouncing over to Site A and doing authorization, like OpenID does. |
| 11:28.36 | Zhinjio | passport was what the wallet turned into |
| 11:28.43 | Antiarc | SiteA then becomes aware of Site B, and the two are double-linked. |
| 11:29.16 | Zhinjio | that requires they all open up their doors a bit though, and use some common code. |
| 11:29.18 | Antiarc | You sign up for Site C, can enter either Site A or Site B, validate, and then the one you validated against talks to the other sites you've validated against to let them know about Site C. |
| 11:29.20 | Zhinjio | good luck with that. |
| 11:29.36 | Antiarc | Certainly. But, it's the same sort of thing that OpenID does, and they've seen some success with it. |
| 11:29.38 | Zhinjio | and: they'd have to trust each other's auth to some extent, which none want to do |
| 11:29.43 | Antiarc | Not blinding success, but it's not a miserable failure. |
| 11:29.54 | Zhinjio | I'm not disagreeing with the principle, mind you. |
| 11:30.00 | Zhinjio | just stating the challenges it faces. |
| 11:30.04 | Antiarc | Definitely. |
| 11:30.08 | SunTsu | Antiarc: Me as a user wouldn't want one site to be able to auth at another one. |
| 11:30.25 | Antiarc | SunTsu: The spec would include controls to let you determine what to share where |
| 11:30.55 | Antiarc | I was giving a simple overview of how I see it. An important aspect of the "open web" is letting the user decide what to hide, too! :) |
| 11:31.04 | SunTsu | Antiarc: But I would have to give my authentication data from site A to site B, which desturbs me |
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| 11:31.59 | Zhinjio | I had an idea for a site about a year ago that was all based on ... hmm, how shall I say... collective reputation. |
| 11:32.00 | Antiarc | SunTsu: No, no. You'd log in to Site A on Site A. OpenID has solved this particular problem. |
| 11:32.16 | Zhinjio | a social networking meta-ranking, sort of |
| 11:32.37 | Antiarc | But I'm really, really close to writing up and publishing a spec, because this kind of thing really needs to exist. |
| 11:32.47 | clad|sleep | Zhinjio: you'd be the third person I've known who _almost_ didit :P |
| 11:32.51 | clad|sleep | i'm glad no one did |
| 11:32.52 | Antiarc | Really, it's as simple as a microformat with a means to write to remote sites with proper authentication. |
| 11:32.55 | clad|sleep | i think it would be a miserable failure |
| 11:33.03 | Zhinjio | well, I wouldn't do it for profit. |
| 11:33.04 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 11:33.07 | clad|sleep | Antiarc: I would like to subscribe to your newsletter |
| 11:33.12 | clad|sleep | Zhinjio: then I support you! |
| 11:33.15 | Zhinjio | heheheee |
| 11:33.18 | Antiarc | clad|sleep: When I get one, I'll tell you! :) |
| 11:33.25 | Zhinjio | I got the idea from some book I read. |
| 11:33.29 | Zhinjio | Accelerando, I think |
| 11:33.56 | Zhinjio | the main character, and just about anypublic entity, was monitoring his/her/their social standing via reputation sites |
| 11:34.05 | Zhinjio | it was kind of like a stock market for reputation |
| 11:34.06 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 11:34.26 | Zhinjio | you got to rate people/companies/entities based on your level of interaction with them |
| 11:34.31 | Zhinjio | anyway, nm |
| 11:34.35 | Antiarc | The biggest problem with doing meta-work on the social graph like that, I think, is that people really have multiple tiny separated graphs |
| 11:34.37 | Zhinjio | just silly things in my head |
| 11:34.55 | Antiarc | I have my family graph, my wowace graph, etc, and the two don't overlap (and I wouldn't necessarily want them to) |
| 11:35.03 | Zhinjio | true dat. |
| 11:35.21 | Zhinjio | there are some that overlap very well, though |
| 11:35.29 | Zhinjio | and some are true meta-sets of each other |
| 11:35.32 | Zhinjio | meta/sub |
| 11:35.33 | Antiarc | Yup. |
| 11:35.43 | Antiarc | wowace is a subset/partial set of my WoW graph. |
| 11:36.15 | Zhinjio | and now you've got my head spinning on this instead of finishing my damn architecture migration recommendations document that I present on tomorrow, damnit |
| 11:36.40 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: have you seen the openid spec 2.0 and XRI |
| 11:36.47 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: I'm reading over it now actually. |
| 11:36.59 | Antiarc | I haven't looked at the OpenID spec in a while |
| 11:37.17 | Arrowmaster | i purchased 2 inames the day i found out about XRI a few weeks ago |
| 11:38.57 | Arrowmaster | since i own the inames i can transfer them to any of the ibrokers i want to use and even edit the XRDS myself to make it point to any openid server i wish |
| 11:41.08 | Antiarc | OpenID 2.0 looks like it's half of what I'm wanting to do. |
| 11:41.25 | Antiarc | If I could build on it to get it all the way there, yeehaw. |
| 11:41.40 | Arrowmaster | whats the half it doesnt do? |
| 11:41.42 | Antiarc | The biggest issue with the OpenID model is that it assumes a single resource is a "master identifier" for a user, really. |
| 11:42.18 | Antiarc | And I don't want to provide "X owns URI Y", I want to provide "URI X is associated to URI Y is associated to URI Z, so X is associated to Z" without making the user maintain this on every point in the network. |
| 11:42.42 | Antiarc | The end effect is that it would feel, to the user, that they are updating some central directory from any participating site, and their changes are reflected on other participating sites. |
| 11:43.41 | Antiarc | So I can say "Here's my Digg profile, and my WoW Armory profile, and my Netflix profile" over at wowace.com, and each of those sites becomes aware of my presence at the others, as allowed by what I choose to share. |
| 11:44.12 | KivinSan | 1/3 01:06:53.682 An action was blocked because of taint from Cartographer - LFGQuery() |
| 11:44.44 | Antiarc | Idea being that it's useful to associate your identity with other identities online, and it's a problem that has to be solved manually on every site I visit right now, which is a pain in the ass and leads to the user taking the path of least resistance and simply not creating those associations. |
| 11:44.50 | Arrowmaster | openid 2.0 has some additional specs for data sharing |
| 11:45.06 | Antiarc | Right, but not across a decentralized network of multiple openid servers. |
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| 11:45.31 | Antiarc | It assumes that you'll use a single URI as your master authentication means and data source, for the most part. At least from what I'm reading. |
| 11:45.57 | Antiarc | And the idea I have is that each site is only responsible for itself, rather than being responsible for serving all this info about a user. |
| 11:45.57 | Arrowmaster | yeah i use a single XRI for my two different profiles |
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| 11:46.32 | Antiarc | Basically, I want a way to link all my identities as I see fit without going through a central clearinghouse. |
| 11:46.45 | Antiarc | Since that's a single point of failure and requires me to maintain a meta-identity THERE. |
| 11:46.55 | Antiarc | Which just adds cruft to the whole mix and is ultimately useless. |
| 11:47.01 | SunTsu | .o0( Personally, i don't like the thought of doing data mining for my person without getting the money a professional data miner gets for my personal information ) |
| 11:47.10 | Arrowmaster | so with your idea when somebody looks up a user on site A, server A will contact server B C D E F G H I J K and so on to get info for site A to display about that user? |
| 11:47.58 | Antiarc | No, no. Just that when I sign up on A, I can say "I belong to B", we talk to B, and B says "and you belong to C, D, E, and F". A becomes aware of B-F and relays "Hey, user is now a part of A", and B-F become aware of A. |
| 11:48.35 | Antiarc | This idea that you can proxy your other identities through any single existing participating identity. |
| 11:49.03 | Arrowmaster | ok so setup the system so that you create a username at each site and can link any number of openids to that username but one openid can only be linked to a single username |
| 11:49.40 | Arrowmaster | then have the data sharing spec of openid relay a list of other openids when you login to update that list |
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| 11:50.17 | Fisker- | haste you on otravi? |
| 11:50.39 | haste | yes |
| 11:50.40 | Antiarc | The problem is reciprocating. Right now, we can make A aware of B-F, but can't make B-F aware of A. |
| 11:50.46 | haste | (you know, I have two chars named Otravi) |
| 11:50.53 | Antiarc | Which leads to data desynching and is a general pain in the ass. |
| 11:51.05 | Fisker- | fu then haste |
| 11:51.09 | Fisker- | you on ravencrest then? |
| 11:51.27 | Arrowmaster | personally i would rather just use XRI and have a single server |
| 11:51.32 | haste | Fisker-: yes:p |
| 11:51.54 | Fisker- | where you at? |
| 11:53.13 | haste | Fisker-: SW atm, going a quick trip to Blased Lands soon tho' |
| 11:53.43 | Fisker- | alright |
| 11:53.47 | Fisker- | coming to corpsecamp you then |
| 11:54.06 | haste | noes :( |
| 11:54.17 | Fisker- | OH YEAH |
| 11:54.20 | haste | already been corpse camped by a L52 druid today :p |
| 11:56.46 | Zhinjio | ...! |
| 11:57.00 | Ellipsis | ^-^ |
| 11:57.03 | haste | would you really want to lick a fisher? |
| 11:57.15 | Ellipsis | I didn't exactly specify whom I was licking |
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| 11:59.13 | KivinSan | What's the difference between registering an event and registering a bucketevent? |
| 11:59.44 | Ellipsis | one of them has a bukket? |
| 12:00.07 | thul | BUKKAKE |
| 12:00.08 | KivinSan | ... |
| 12:00.10 | Ellipsis | o.o |
| 12:00.12 | Herio | bukakke bucket? |
| 12:00.17 | thul | mohaha |
| 12:00.18 | Ellipsis | not where I was going with that |
| 12:00.23 | Antiarc | A bucket event collects all firings of an event in a time period, and then executes a handler if the event was fired at least once. |
| 12:00.24 | Herio | bukakket? |
| 12:00.52 | thul | Ellipsis: pfft |
| 12:00.52 | thul | just admit it |
| 12:00.52 | Antiarc | So, for example, if you have UNIT_HEALTH, which may update 60 times/sec |
| 12:00.52 | Ellipsis | hush thul, I swear I'm not into that |
| 12:00.52 | thul | haha |
| 12:00.52 | thul | well, who is |
| 12:00.52 | thul | seriously |
| 12:00.52 | thul | who CAN be |
| 12:00.52 | thul | it is gross |
| 12:00.54 | Ellipsis | only the japanese |
| 12:00.56 | thul | or, besides japansese |
| 12:00.57 | thul | baaah |
| 12:00.59 | Antiarc | You register a bucket event to UNIT_HEALTH on a 1 sec period, and if UNIT_HEALTH fires at least once, then your handler gets called after that 1 sec is up |
| 12:00.59 | thul | you beat me :-P |
| 12:01.06 | Herio | i gave my ex a bukkakket for her birthday |
| 12:01.09 | Antiarc | Rather than your handler being called 60 times in that second. |
| 12:01.13 | Herio | they always love handmade gifts |
| 12:01.14 | Herio | ! |
| 12:01.30 | KivinSan | Antiarc: I assume UNIT_HEALTH's callback can't be thrown again until the previous callback resolves? |
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| 12:01.44 | Antiarc | KivinSan: WoW's lua is single threaded, so no. |
| 12:01.45 | KivinSan | or perhaps... for another second? |
| 12:02.10 | KivinSan | What I'm trying to say is... you wont get 60 UNIT_HEALTH's one second late |
| 12:02.46 | Antiarc | Well, the handler will fire up to 1 second after the event actually occurs |
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| 12:03.04 | KivinSan | So do you or don't you get all the UNIT_HEALTHs? |
| 12:03.20 | Snago | You get a table with all events iirc |
| 12:03.30 | Antiarc | Your handler gets called once, but you get a table with all the parameters |
| 12:03.38 | KivinSan | Okay, thank you |
| 12:04.22 | Antiarc | http://ace.pastey.net/79964 |
| 12:04.55 | KivinSan | *nod* |
| 12:05.01 | Megalon | *gdi* |
| 12:05.06 | thul | Herio: "ex" being the crucial point here? |
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| 12:05.52 | Camma | Hello |
| 12:06.45 | Herio | i think the crucial part the the bukakket |
| 12:07.07 | Herio | bucket o' bukakke |
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| 12:08.40 | thul | http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs22/i/2008/003/4/8/Walking_in_my_shoes_by_cainadamsson.jpg <- art |
| 12:08.47 | thul | Herio: I dissaprove. |
| 12:08.50 | thul | disapprove |
| 12:08.54 | thul | or something in that direction |
| 12:11.18 | Herio | you're prude |
| 12:11.35 | Herio | a prude, rather |
| 12:11.59 | Herio | i find it odd that japanese law requires so much censorship, and then you've got bukakke |
| 12:12.35 | Megalon | well, it's censored! |
| 12:12.45 | Herio | uhm |
| 12:13.01 | Herio | the point is that you don't have to censor it under japanese law =P |
| 12:13.27 | Herio | bestiality doesn't have to be censored either >.> |
| 12:13.38 | snorks | did someone say bukkake? |
| 12:13.39 | thul | that is beacause the gooks are weird |
| 12:13.40 | thul | :-P |
| 12:13.40 | Megalon | but pubic hair has to |
| 12:13.41 | thul | hahahaha |
| 12:13.44 | thul | ~seen snorks |
| 12:13.46 | purl | snorks is currently on #wowace (4h 23m 2s). Has said a total of 29 messages. Is idling for 8s, last said: 'did someone say bukkake?'. |
| 12:14.02 | thul | [13:16:00] < purl> snorks is currently on #wowace (4h 23m 2s). Has said a total of 29 messages. Is idling for 8s, last said: 'did someone say bukkake?'. <- topic now pl3453 |
| 12:14.07 | Megalon | well, i think at least the dogs enjoy it! |
| 12:14.10 | Herio | no... pubic hair doesn't have to be censored |
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| 12:14.42 | Herio | purl, what is bukkake? |
| 12:14.42 | purl | ACTION is bukkake to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion |
| 12:15.40 | many | wow |
| 12:15.48 | many | someone must have talked into someones mind |
| 12:15.50 | many | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/burningcrusade/download/index.html |
| 12:16.28 | Herio | purl, bukkake is a group sex practice that features a man or woman being ejaculated on by multiple men or women. |
| 12:16.29 | purl | Herio: okay |
| 12:17.08 | Herio | purl, what is bukkake? |
| 12:17.09 | purl | ACTION is bukkake to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion |
| 12:17.15 | Herio | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 12:17.26 | many | i just wish the download was quicker than 1mbyte/sec |
| 12:17.39 | SunTsu | Herio: Quite obsessed with it, aren't you? ;) |
| 12:18.39 | FinalX | many: Download of what? |
| 12:19.09 | Zhinjio | purl, Herio needs serious pyschological assistance (or better drugs, whichever comes first). |
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| 12:19.19 | many | the wow installer |
| 12:21.29 | FinalX | If your internet can handle faster, I can probably send it to you faster, or let you download it from mine, if you want. |
| 12:22.30 | snorks | network speed is limited by cpu speed and the speed of light |
| 12:23.51 | many | well |
| 12:24.00 | many | i could handle -in theory- about 110mbyte/sec |
| 12:24.14 | snorks | many what class do you play? |
| 12:24.26 | snorks | many: tabbed |
| 12:24.37 | many | my main is a druid |
| 12:24.48 | snorks | ok |
| 12:24.55 | snorks | do you remember to jump when performing instant skills? |
| 12:25.02 | FinalX | many: If you want me to upload it to somewhere, just gimme the details in a privmsg. |
| 12:25.15 | many | FinalX: thanks, but i guess i can wait 2 hours. :) |
| 12:25.20 | FinalX | ok |
| 12:25.28 | many | stupid me has both files on a usb disk. |
| 12:25.29 | many | home. |
| 12:25.40 | many | *sigh* :) |
| 12:25.59 | FinalX | hehe |
| 12:26.12 | many | i probably shouldnt make it too obvious iam installing wow on my work pc anyway *pfiffel* |
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| 12:26.32 | FinalX | hehe, no worries here with that, like half the company plays wow |
| 12:26.37 | Funkeh` | yo |
| 12:26.42 | FinalX | 'lo |
| 12:26.51 | SunTsu | I wish I could, I finally had something to do... |
| 12:26.56 | many | Yeah. but anyway. some people would think i do it all day. |
| 12:26.58 | FinalX | got all installers here, as well as pretty much all relevant patches |
| 12:27.03 | FinalX | heh :) |
| 12:27.28 | many | SunTsu: no work for ya? |
| 12:27.33 | many | want me to borrow you some? |
| 12:27.47 | Funkeh` | anyone know how to change the directory of where various windows logs are saved? |
| 12:28.22 | many | hehe. upload rate: 400k/sec |
| 12:28.26 | SunTsu | many: If it is fun, why not ;) My usual work could be done from a witty twelve year old |
| 12:28.48 | SunTsu | s/from/by/ |
| 12:28.51 | Fisker- | giev my new webservar >* |
| 12:28.52 | many | oh. i need someone to configure xinerama, twinview or whatever it is called |
| 12:28.52 | Fisker- | :( |
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| 12:29.47 | many | oh. and i need someone to move some vservers, to fix the box with the scsi raid and how about evaluating software? |
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| 12:30.24 | SunTsu | many: Well, I have to do something that doesn't involve how my Desktop normally looks, because everybody in the room and everybody standing at the door can look onto it and will |
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| 12:31.25 | many | haha |
| 12:31.40 | snorks_ | can someone kick snorks |
| 12:31.49 | snorks_ | fuse went so house went black |
| 12:31.52 | many | i know why i prevented such a thing |
| 12:31.52 | SunTsu | Which leads to grat conversations with my direct boss.. "I think we have a problem, some guys report that you have ICR installed, that chatting thing and that you are chatting" "ICR? What? No, I'm not chatting" "OK, then we don't have a problem" |
| 12:32.04 | SunTsu | snorks_: Won't help ypu a thing |
| 12:32.09 | SunTsu | you |
| 12:32.22 | snorks_ | i know |
| 12:32.23 | snorks_ | silly me |
| 12:32.53 | many | SunTsu: thats not a problem for me. IRC is *required* here to work :-P |
| 12:33.03 | Orionshock | urg what's the stance dance macro for warriors on Nightbane? |
| 12:33.39 | Arrowmaster | warriors need macros to stance dance? |
| 12:33.56 | Orionshock | new tank... |
| 12:34.05 | Herio | looking through the screenshot thing on worldofwarcraft.com |
| 12:34.08 | Arrowmaster | is he a clicker? |
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| 12:34.34 | Herio | and i'm thinking... wow these guys all stood infront of shade of akama to take a screen shot |
| 12:35.14 | Herio | how cute... they think that downing a boss that, in his current state at least... kills himself... is some sort of achievement |
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| 12:35.56 | Zhinjio | # show Berserker Rage |
| 12:35.57 | Zhinjio | /cast [stance:3] Berserker Rage; Berserker Stance |
| 12:36.26 | Zhinjio | ./cast [noequipped:shields] Battle Stance; Defensive Stance |
| 12:36.41 | Zhinjio | hrm, did that show 3 lines or two |
| 12:36.58 | Orionshock | 3 |
| 12:37.28 | Zhinjio | just pulled that out of the wow warrior forums. |
| 12:37.30 | Zhinjio | ymmv |
| 12:37.36 | Zhinjio | <-- doesn't play a warrior |
| 12:37.36 | Orionshock | ty |
| 12:38.36 | snorks_ | Orionshock: bite the sour apple and handle it manually |
| 12:38.45 | snorks_ | Orionshock: trust me when i say its not hard at all |
| 12:38.50 | Orionshock | lol |
| 12:39.06 | KivinSan | Three days later, I still can't figure out how to intercept chat messages while Prat is running |
| 12:39.07 | Orionshock | new tank on nightbane, |
| 12:39.09 | Zhinjio | yeah, most of our warriors don't macro it. it doesn't take that long if you've got everything keyed up alright |
| 12:39.13 | Zhinjio | ah |
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| 12:39.18 | snorks_ | Orionshock: i havent played in 5 months, and i came back and even have to play on laptop keyboard, but i can do bukakke + eat and break fear with 1 hand at the same time |
| 12:39.21 | snorks_ | thats how easy it is |
| 12:39.32 | snorks_ | because they nerfed it |
| 12:40.53 | snorks_ | our server is filled with level 1's :) |
| 12:40.58 | sylvanaar_work | KivinSan its not difficult, you can use Prat's method, or you can just prevent the message from being printed by hooking addmessage. Prat checks to see if a given message generates any output to each chatframe |
| 12:40.59 | snorks_ | coming to praise Nihilum |
| 12:41.39 | sylvanaar_work | KivinSan prat's method is even easier |
| 12:41.56 | KivinSan | sylvanaar_work: I'd prefer not to have Prat as a dependency. I'm trying to write an exceedingly minimal addon |
| 12:42.22 | Camm2 | how hard would it be to get Combuctor to display a guildbank |
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| 12:42.40 | KivinSan | sylvanaar_work: However, the best I can come up with is hooking AddMessage and having two separate pattern matching paths, one for blizz and one for prat's re-formatted strings |
| 12:43.34 | snorks_ | KivinSan: what kind of addon are you making? |
| 12:43.53 | sylvanaar_work | KivinSan you cant really mess with prat's reformatted strings without interfacing with prat. |
| 12:43.59 | CIA-8 | 03ammo 07Beta * r57843 10Ace3/Ace3.toc: |
| 12:43.59 | CIA-8 | Ace3 - AceSerializer-3.0 |
| 12:43.59 | CIA-8 | - ACE-116 : added to .toc |
| 12:44.07 | KivinSan | snorks_: I want to filter messages based on criteria, but without all the trimmings of many other addons |
| 12:44.28 | KivinSan | sylvanaar_work: Why do you say that? |
| 12:45.05 | sylvanaar_work | KivinSan because they can change alot depending on the settings. |
| 12:45.33 | KivinSan | sylvanaar_work: How about a reliable way of intercepting chat messages before prat gets them? |
| 12:46.31 | sylvanaar_work | KivinSan hook higher, or like I said, prevent output at addmessage, then addmessage yourself |
| 12:46.54 | sylvanaar_work | KivinSan what are you trying to do |
| 12:46.56 | KivinSan | sylvanaar_work: Addmessage works, except for prat mangling things in an unpredicable way |
| 12:47.07 | KivinSan | sylvanaar_work: Trap gold spam, amongst other things |
| 12:47.07 | sylvanaar_work | KivinSan thats what I said |
| 12:47.35 | sylvanaar_work | KivinSan thats the whole point of Prat - to make chatmods work together |
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| 12:48.00 | KivinSan | It's just that I'd like my addon to be standalone |
| 12:48.05 | KivinSan | I might need to hook higher |
| 12:48.40 | Orionshock | anyone got bets on a druid tank on nightbane? |
| 12:48.42 | sylvanaar_work | KivinSan sure, you can do that. |
| 12:49.52 | nevcairiel | Orionshock: just hope he doesnt do his breath in the group during fear |
| 12:50.05 | nevcairiel | since you dont loose aggro, but you run around :P |
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| 12:51.23 | Polarina | Hello. |
| 12:52.19 | Zhinjio | damn, 14 pages, single spaced. |
| 12:52.22 | Zhinjio | not too damn bad. |
| 12:52.25 | KivinSan | sylvanaar_work: here's my idea: http://ace.pastey.net/79968 |
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| 12:52.39 | SunTsu | Orionshock: Just have the priests do fear ward or have a shaman use the tremor totem and it should go smooth |
| 12:53.35 | [Ammo] | and the faster you kill him, the less fears you have to deal with :) |
| 12:54.18 | nevcairiel | we had one fear each 25% phase last week |
| 12:54.21 | nevcairiel | with a druid tank |
| 12:54.23 | nevcairiel | pretty smooth |
| 12:55.43 | Xinhuan | zzz 30% archi wipe because tank got doomfired + cursed at the same time ~_~ |
| 12:56.02 | KivinSan | lrn2 not get doomfired, nub |
| 12:57.27 | Zhinjio | what is the paragraph in a document called that indicates the removal of liability? |
| 12:57.30 | Zhinjio | um... darnit |
| 12:57.35 | Zhinjio | Disclaimer |
| 12:57.37 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 12:57.47 | FinalX | hmhm |
| 12:58.12 | Xinhuan | note that not all disclaimers are legal :) |
| 12:58.19 | Zhinjio | of course |
| 12:58.26 | Zhinjio | this contract was an easy one |
| 12:58.41 | Zhinjio | I have no real deliverable, so I can't be sued for not delivering. |
| 12:58.47 | Zhinjio | plus: I've already been paid. |
| 12:58.48 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 12:59.09 | Ellipsis | I wanna be paid for not delivering |
| 12:59.11 | Ellipsis | ..oh wait |
| 12:59.12 | Herio | on our second archimonde kill, the tank got bursted |
| 12:59.17 | Herio | it was a fun pull =P |
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| 13:03.55 | Orionshock | :D |
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| 13:04.03 | Orionshock | @ 39% on druid tanking nighbane |
| 13:04.55 | Herio | as a pally, i've tanked it without fear ward |
| 13:05.03 | Herio | it was fun |
| 13:05.07 | Polarina | Orionshock: Stop talking on IRC and keep tanking! |
| 13:05.57 | Zhinjio | actually, pally tanking that fight gives you the extra bonus of having someone to handle skellies easily |
| 13:06.20 | Herio | yeah, but without fearward can be a bit hard =P |
| 13:06.48 | Herio | good thing i'm amazing |
| 13:07.42 | SunTsu | Orionshock: who dies first and in what phase? |
| 13:08.10 | Orionshock | ... priest between 1 / 2 |
| 13:08.17 | Fisker- | hmmmmm |
| 13:08.18 | Orionshock | and i did just after 24% |
| 13:08.31 | Fisker- | THIS IS MADNESS |
| 13:08.34 | Orionshock | .. both priest died, ... lock, mage.... |
| 13:08.40 | Orionshock | a rouge... |
| 13:08.46 | SunTsu | Orionshock: Due to skeletons? |
| 13:08.52 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.03 | SunTsu | Or because of the aoe damage? |
| 13:09.13 | Orionshock | ya skellys |
| 13:09.34 | Fisker- | lol wtf |
| 13:09.43 | Fisker- | my server went down |
| 13:09.48 | Fisker- | now it's connection refused :P |
| 13:10.01 | SunTsu | Orionshock: Have your Druid pop bark skin, make huricane and then take out one sekelton after another ;) |
| 13:10.07 | Fisker- | Aggressive OS guesses: AXIS 207 Network Camera or 241Q Video Server (97%) |
| 13:10.08 | Fisker- | :D? |
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| 13:12.21 | Orionshock | our pallys don't understand how to BoP someone... |
| 13:12.27 | Orionshock | i's a mental problem they have... |
| 13:13.15 | FinalX | they probably think it's their bubble and theirs alone :P |
| 13:13.24 | FinalX | or that they might need to rebless if they use it ;P |
| 13:14.34 | CIA-8 | 03dotted * r57844 10Recap/ (22 files in 2 dirs): |
| 13:14.34 | CIA-8 | Recap: |
| 13:14.34 | CIA-8 | - Adjusted a date format string to avoid a Windows lua bug (reported by IronEagleNZ) |
| 13:14.34 | CIA-8 | - fixed Recap_MakeFriends to not create empty entries when not storing data for a combatant (reported by nimrodel) |
| 13:14.34 | CIA-8 | - possible fix for graphic anomaly (reported by fyrye). |
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| 13:24.03 | xyu | I don't know if this is possible but perhaps one of you do: Can I disable the sound it makes when attempting to cast a spell while another action is going on. Just that sound. |
| 13:24.35 | xyu | "spell is not ready yet" sound :D |
| 13:24.54 | Zhinjio | skellie phase is two things: one priest/pally should be dedicating almost all his/her effort to removing debuffs. Whatever that flame breath thing nightbane does from the air sucks complete ass, and should be removed quick. Have one person target the current skellie with skull or somethign so dps is focused. If you do have a consolidated target (pally, or whatever) drawing initial skellie aggro, make sure they're getting most of the heals |
| 13:25.00 | Zhinjio | and... he's gone |
| 13:25.15 | Civrock | xyu: Disable Error Speech? |
| 13:26.04 | xyu | Civrock: It's not the speech but that "PFOTHAT" sound that happens |
| 13:26.34 | xyu | I spam my key pretty heavily while casting and i'm tired of hearing it :P |
| 13:26.40 | xyu | it's the same sound that appears when you interrupt your cast. |
| 13:28.56 | Josh_Borke | xyu: figure out what sound it is by looking through the gamefiles and just over-write it ala the fishing sound modifications |
| 13:29.45 | xyu | is there a thread to the fishing sound modifications? |
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| 13:31.28 | Josh_Borke | xyu: check wowinterface for mods that do it |
| 13:31.30 | Lukian | anyone know how to reset SWstats window position? |
| 13:32.17 | Josh_Borke | Lukian: /swstats, then read for resetwin or something like that |
| 13:32.24 | Herio | late at night, i usually get the home theatre reciever set to 63 decibels down... 64 is muted >.> |
| 13:33.16 | Lukian | thanks Josh_Borke , for some reason I forgot it offered commandline |
| 13:33.27 | Lukian | must be because it's ui is so tidy :) |
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| 13:42.11 | xyu | rofl i'm here at dr. boom testing some damage on my mage, and this alliance pally keeps dying to him because he's tryign to melee him to death for the quest. |
| 13:42.26 | xyu | he's /begging me to help kill him or something. |
| 13:42.52 | SunTsu | xyu: Reading seems to be a long forgotten art |
| 13:43.34 | sylvanaar_work | hey will someone with moderator privs move my post to the FuBar section : http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10662.0 |
| 13:44.34 | sylvanaar_work | i suppose i could just delete it...hrm |
| 13:47.25 | Uhuru | xyu the option to disable these sounds is include in the wow sounds options, no need mod for that |
| 13:47.26 | Herio | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v718/Elda_The_Elf/1196143519728.jpg |
| 13:47.33 | sylvanaar_work | ok - have a look and comment http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10663.0 |
| 13:47.51 | Xinhuan | he only wants to disable that particular sound |
| 13:47.54 | Xinhuan | not all wow sounds |
| 13:48.11 | Xinhuan | so no, it need a .wav override file in the appropriate data\ folder |
| 13:48.16 | Xinhuan | you* need |
| 13:49.10 | Uhuru | there are no wav files, they are packed in .mpq files |
| 13:49.33 | Herio | sylv: can you add it on a toggle? and by "parts" do you mean _Notes, _Mailboxes, _Foo? |
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| 13:49.58 | Fisker- | do it xyu |
| 13:50.02 | Fisker- | or i'm going to hurt you |
| 13:50.18 | ag` | Fisker-: stop troll :D |
| 13:50.48 | Xinhuan | Uhuru, you can override the .wav files by placing a real physical file with the same path |
| 13:50.53 | Xinhuan | as inside the MPQs |
| 13:50.57 | Xinhuan | that's how mpqs work |
| 13:51.57 | Xinhuan | a file can also exist in both locale-enUS.mpq and in patch-enUS.mpq with the same internal path, and the patch-enUS one will have precendence |
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| 13:53.19 | FinalX | and a physical file takes precedence over both, right? so why not create an empty .wav file then :P |
| 13:53.25 | Xinhuan | that's the idea |
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| 13:53.51 | FinalX | oh, missed your earlier comment :) |
| 13:54.16 | xyu | Yes, i need to clear the sound as i spam fireball w/ the G15 |
| 13:54.16 | Xinhuan | only .wav and .mp3 files can be overriden, blizzard disallowed .wmo .m3d and most other file extensions to be overriden, because ppl abused it by changing their 3d models |
| 13:54.19 | xyu | and i'm tired of that sound |
| 13:55.01 | Xinhuan | for example, you used to be able to override every races model and put in place the gnome model, and everyone would look like a gnome to you |
| 13:55.29 | Herio | or you could do some more sinister things |
| 13:55.36 | Xinhuan | was also exploitable by replacing 3d world objects with a different 3d object so you could walk over/thru it |
| 13:55.42 | FinalX | how can something be more sinister than everyone running around like gnomes? |
| 13:55.45 | Herio | yep |
| 13:55.50 | Herio | and skip to c'thun |
| 13:55.59 | Arrowmaster | replacing the campfire model with a staircase |
| 13:56.19 | FinalX | or netherwing eggs in shadowmoon.. |
| 13:56.23 | Xinhuan | so the only thing that can be overriden now are music/sound files |
| 13:56.26 | FinalX | i know people that abused it for that |
| 13:56.29 | Herio | you can skip all the worthless bosses in AQ40, and go straight for the boss with the kel level loot |
| 13:56.48 | FinalX | and replaced the netherwing egg model with the big red crystals of the colossal giants in hellfire :p |
| 13:56.52 | Xinhuan | hahaha |
| 13:57.03 | Herio | wait |
| 13:57.13 | Ellipsis | but then you wouldn't be close enough to reach the egg o.O |
| 13:57.16 | Herio | couldn't you make everything like... a node then? |
| 13:57.20 | capullo | finalx: sounds good, how to make it :P |
| 13:57.28 | FinalX | it did work :) |
| 13:57.30 | Herio | ohhhh i see |
| 13:58.05 | Ellipsis | you'd have to get inside the crystal to loot the egg o.O |
| 13:58.24 | xyu | Let's find out how to disable that "already casting" sound!! sounds great! Exclamation point! |
| 13:58.28 | Herio | i think you can loot the egg from further that way... |
| 13:58.50 | Arrowmaster | no looting is server based |
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| 13:59.01 | Arrowmaster | thats why corpses can get out of sync and you cant loot them |
| 13:59.21 | xyu | i rather liked having huge looting graphics in ZG though |
| 13:59.34 | xyu | i remember the loot sparkles were like lights coming down from the heavesn |
| 13:59.40 | xyu | let me know to loot the damn thing :P |
| 14:00.41 | capullo | i need a addon for "autodestroying" loots |
| 14:01.01 | capullo | i want to push leatherworking, but first i have to collect all leather |
| 14:01.05 | Xinhuan | if you don't autoloot loot, you won't need to auto-destroy loot ;p |
| 14:01.25 | Herio | arrowmaster.... are the eggs looted or interacted with? |
| 14:01.44 | Zhinjio | capullo: GarbageFu is close |
| 14:01.47 | Arrowmaster | not sure |
| 14:01.50 | Xinhuan | you interact with a 3d object ("opening" casting bar) |
| 14:01.52 | capullo | but only for gray items |
| 14:01.55 | Xinhuan | which opens a loot box |
| 14:01.57 | Zhinjio | yes |
| 14:02.08 | Xinhuan | like chests basically |
| 14:02.09 | Herio | and would the difference matter? |
| 14:02.15 | capullo | and have to singleclick |
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| 14:04.09 | Ellipsis | the eggs are just like chests as far as opening/looting them |
| 14:04.22 | Ellipsis | with a smaller range to loot from |
| 14:05.02 | capullo | you are talking about cheating, or? :P |
| 14:06.35 | xyu | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.39 | xyu | seems to be the sound file. |
| 14:07.37 | xyu | I don't see which mpq that would be in though base-enUS.mpq ? |
| 14:08.30 | Xinhuan | i'll look around xyu |
| 14:09.17 | xyu | Xinhuan: thanks. maybe i can play with sounds again ^^ |
| 14:09.24 | CIA-8 | 03ammo 07Ace3 * r57845 10AnalogClock/AnalogClock.lua: |
| 14:09.24 | CIA-8 | AnalogClock: |
| 14:09.25 | CIA-8 | - Add options to change radius, fontsize and color all elements seperately. |
| 14:09.25 | CIA-8 | - Open config dialog with: /analog |
| 14:09.26 | Xinhuan | it should be in common.mpq |
| 14:09.39 | Xinhuan | since its not locale depedant |
| 14:10.25 | Xinhuan | feel free to check |
| 14:10.32 | xyu | yeah i'll start there |
| 14:12.22 | Stanzilla | [Ammo]: ever thought about making an Ace3 version of enhanced questlog? :P |
| 14:13.06 | [Ammo] | no |
| 14:13.13 | [Ammo] | doublewide ftw |
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| 14:13.58 | Stanzilla | hm |
| 14:14.09 | Stanzilla | I just found a replacement for beql, thank you ammo^^ |
| 14:14.30 | [Ammo] | all doublewide does is make the questlog 2 panes instead of one |
| 14:14.55 | Stanzilla | that's all I want |
| 14:15.00 | Ellipsis | eep, 5k left til exalted netherwing x.x |
| 14:15.25 | SunTsu | Ellipsis: That's not even 2 days, grats |
| 14:16.01 | xyu | Anyone know of a good fast MPQ editor? i've searched for a few but would like to know of a recommendation :) |
| 14:16.23 | Polarina | xyu: Why the hell a MPQ editor? |
| 14:16.34 | Ellipsis | yeah SunTsu I'm hoping I can get enough eggs today to get my drake tomorrow *fingers crossed* |
| 14:16.38 | xyu | something to open, view, edit *.MPQ files |
| 14:16.41 | Fisker- | BANG |
| 14:16.43 | Fisker- | owned |
| 14:16.54 | Fisker- | btw you gotta be shitting me [Ammo] |
| 14:18.34 | [Ammo] | hmm? |
| 14:18.40 | xyu | Polarina: i'm trying to overwrite a soundfile in WoW, particularly the "BOSUFDSFH" sound when you interrupt a spell or spam a button too fast. |
| 14:19.02 | Fisker- | AnalogClock :o |
| 14:19.07 | [Ammo] | yes, what about it? |
| 14:19.37 | FinalX | xyu: oh, THAT sounds, yes, that's quite annoying |
| 14:19.43 | Uhuru | Rabbit come here sometimes ? |
| 14:19.49 | Fisker- | it's madness and blasphemy |
| 14:19.50 | [Ammo] | yes uhuru |
| 14:19.54 | [Ammo] | it's not madness |
| 14:20.04 | [Ammo] | it's pretty (and it can even be in pink) |
| 14:20.07 | SunTsu | Ellipsis: The drakes are damn cool |
| 14:20.18 | [Ammo] | ~seen vhaarr |
| 14:20.20 | purl | vhaarr <n=folk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Rabbit/vhaarr> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 4d 23h 10m 55s ago, saying: 'Lukian: hm?'. |
| 14:20.20 | Fisker- | ooh |
| 14:20.20 | Fisker- | sleep tiem then |
| 14:20.26 | [Ammo] | that's the rabbit uhuru |
| 14:20.32 | SunTsu | I am glad I did not find out how to buy another one - and please, don't tell me ;) |
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| 14:21.19 | Polarina | xyu: If you manage to do that, the game client will notice the change and notify Blizzard about it. You would most likely get banned in no time. |
| 14:22.58 | xyu | how will it notice the change? |
| 14:23.24 | Josh_Borke | xyu: you don't need to change the mpq file |
| 14:23.31 | Polarina | xyu: Cryptograpich checksums. |
| 14:23.52 | xyu | Josh_Borke: what do i need to do? |
| 14:24.13 | Josh_Borke | xyu: create the directory structure and place a file there |
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| 14:24.19 | Zhinjio | as was mentioned earlier, just creating a real ... what he said. |
| 14:24.34 | Ellipsis | Polarina, xyu isn't editing the files |
| 14:24.42 | Ellipsis | just overriding it with a file in the physical path |
| 14:24.54 | xyu | yes but what path ;; |
| 14:25.12 | xyu | that's why i need to poke around mpq files |
| 14:25.12 | Josh_Borke | (09:06:35 AM) xyu: x:\World of Warcraft\Data\enUS\Sound\Spells\Fizzle\FizzleHolyA.wav |
| 14:25.53 | xyu | i'll try that one then, just make an empty wav file? |
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| 14:26.54 | Herio | what does the phrase "orange pie" bring to mind for you guys? |
| 14:27.09 | Josh_Borke | xyu: it's just like with the fishing one. Wow/Data/Sound/Spells/Fizzle/FizzleHolyA.wav |
| 14:27.11 | Polarina | Herio: A orange pie, of course. |
| 14:27.16 | Josh_Borke | xyu: try that |
| 14:27.21 | Josh_Borke | Herio: a pie that is orange |
| 14:27.48 | xyu | i dont' know the fishing one, but i'll try that |
| 14:27.49 | Ellipsis | mmm...pie... |
| 14:29.18 | CIA-8 | 03ananhaid * r57846 10GlowFoSho/locales/Locale-zhCN.lua: |
| 14:29.18 | CIA-8 | GlowFoSho: |
| 14:29.18 | CIA-8 | - zhCN update. |
| 14:31.11 | Herio | "orange pie" makes me think of... "fire crotch" if you know what i mean... |
| 14:31.17 | Ellipsis | ... |
| 14:31.41 | Estil | lol |
| 14:32.18 | Zhinjio | question... |
| 14:32.53 | Herio | question? |
| 14:33.00 | Herio | go for it! |
| 14:33.11 | Zhinjio | I have a 24 "digit" text string that will be displayed. However, I've looked at this in 3 different resolutions so far. In one, it was displayed fine with room to spare, in others, it was getting chopped with the "f4hf948f3h.." at the end |
| 14:33.37 | Zhinjio | Is there no sure fire way to have your text string sized correctly to display in all resolutions? |
| 14:33.44 | Zhinjio | <-- not worried about localization |
| 14:35.07 | Josh_Borke | Zhinjio: getstringwidth and set width accordingly? |
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| 14:35.21 | Zhinjio | the string width will always be 24 characters |
| 14:35.23 | Zhinjio | I know the width |
| 14:35.31 | Zhinjio | the problem is in the way its displayed in the varying resolutions. |
| 14:35.45 | Zhinjio | I mean, I can't when people play with their fonts |
| 14:35.58 | Zhinjio | but I'd at least like it display correctly at all default resolutions using standard fonts |
| 14:36.14 | Zhinjio | I'm already using GameFontNormalSmall |
| 14:36.21 | Zhinjio | (and GameFontHighlightSmall) |
| 14:36.26 | Xinhuan | zhinjio, that's because fonts have a "standard size" |
| 14:36.39 | Xinhuan | say it can be size 11, or 12, but not 11.5 |
| 14:36.45 | Xinhuan | so when you scale it |
| 14:36.57 | Xinhuan | it can only display the "closest matching size" |
| 14:37.19 | Xinhuan | you need to use GetWidth(some true flag) |
| 14:37.29 | Zhinjio | so I guess just use way more than enough room for the string, and hope the user isn't an idiot |
| 14:37.35 | Xinhuan | on the fontstring to get its unwrapped width required |
| 14:37.47 | Xinhuan | do not forget some addons allow users to change their default fonts |
| 14:37.52 | Xinhuan | to be fatter or thinner |
| 14:37.57 | Zhinjio | yeah, I know. I use some of them |
| 14:38.07 | Zhinjio | I can't account for that too. those people are going to beout of luck |
| 14:38.09 | Xinhuan | its something you don't really want to deal with |
| 14:38.13 | Zhinjio | right |
| 14:38.24 | Xinhuan | people shouldn't be using fonts that are "fatter" than standard |
| 14:38.46 | Zhinjio | I'm just going to add another... well, maybe 40-50 pixels and call it good. |
| 14:38.57 | Zhinjio | the most I've seen was someone getting 3 characters chopped off the end |
| 14:39.28 | Josh_Borke | Zhinjio: the proper solution is to GetStringWidth and adjust the width of the frame |
| 14:39.47 | [Ammo] | remember to compensate for effective scale |
| 14:39.49 | Josh_Borke | sorry, that came off as if i really know what i'm talking about |
| 14:39.54 | Zhinjio | I'm using a fixed background texture for the frame. |
| 14:39.54 | Josh_Borke | which id on't |
| 14:40.24 | Zhinjio | and I'm spending way too much time on the aesthetics already. |
| 14:40.37 | Zhinjio | when I should be writing the syncing code. *grin* |
| 14:40.43 | [Ammo] | if you have a fixed background, you can set a fixed width for the text can't you? |
| 14:41.23 | Zhinjio | the text is fixed width, 24 characters. but that displays as more "effective pixels" in certain resolutions and scales |
| 14:41.25 | xyu | hmm, no luck putting an empty wav file at \WoW\Data\enUS\Sound\Spells\Fizzle\FizzleHolyA.wav QQ |
| 14:41.30 | xyu | sound still exists |
| 14:41.48 | Josh_Borke | xyu: did you try without the enUS? |
| 14:41.59 | xyu | no, i'll try that. |
| 14:42.02 | FinalX | and are you actually using enUS and not enGB? |
| 14:42.03 | Josh_Borke | ~api GetStringWidth |
| 14:42.03 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetStringWidth |
| 14:42.08 | FinalX | or deDE, esES, etc. |
| 14:42.38 | xyu | yeah i'm using enUS |
| 14:42.50 | Josh_Borke | !api Fontstring_GetStringWidth |
| 14:42.50 | ThraeBot | Josh_Borke: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Fontstring_GetStringWidth |
| 14:42.58 | Josh_Borke | !api Fontstring GetStringWidth |
| 14:43.06 | Josh_Borke | !api FontString_GetStringWidth |
| 14:43.06 | ThraeBot | Josh_Borke: I just said that 16s ago. |
| 14:43.10 | Josh_Borke | no you didn't jerk |
| 14:43.18 | Josh_Borke | !api FontString_GetStringWidth |
| 14:43.18 | ThraeBot | Josh_Borke: I just said that 29s ago. |
| 14:43.29 | Josh_Borke | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_FontString_GetStringWidth |
| 14:43.56 | FinalX | "WoWWiki does not have a page with this exact name!" |
| 14:44.15 | FinalX | ah, lowercase 's' :) |
| 14:44.31 | Josh_Borke | !api FontString_GetStringWidth |
| 14:44.32 | ThraeBot | Josh_Borke: width = MyFontString:GetStringWidth(); -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_FontString_GetStringWidth |
| 14:44.49 | xyu | still no luck, i'll have to keep searching |
| 14:44.57 | Josh_Borke | xyu: are you restarting wow? |
| 14:45.21 | xyu | yeah, i think i found the problem. that particular sound is only for "Item not ready yet" not "Spell not ready yet" |
| 14:45.26 | Josh_Borke | ah, ok |
| 14:45.29 | xyu | so i have to find another wav |
| 14:47.39 | Zhinjio | hmm. |
| 14:48.03 | Zhinjio | maybe in some later revision, I can size that window to the size of the strings. |
| 14:48.11 | Zhinjio | for now, I'm just going to make it bigger and call it good. |
| 14:48.30 | Lukian | http://ace.pastey.net/79970 |
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| 14:48.49 | kneeki | *wave* |
| 14:50.11 | Ellipsis | how dare you wave at me |
| 14:50.30 | xyu | Have at thee! |
| 14:57.27 | kneeki | lawl |
| 14:58.13 | Ellipsis | o.o |
| 14:58.37 | Ellipsis | 4k rep to go |
| 14:58.58 | kneeki | What you working on? |
| 14:59.06 | Stanzilla | netherdrake |
| 14:59.13 | kneeki | Ah |
| 14:59.21 | kneeki | I haven't even attempted that yet |
| 15:01.50 | Zhinjio | ok, that texture remapped well. 50 more pixels. good enough. |
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| 15:06.12 | CIA-8 | 03polarina * r57847 10Relegation/ (Data/MessageList.lua Relegation.toc): |
| 15:06.12 | CIA-8 | Relegation: |
| 15:06.12 | CIA-8 | - Updated signatures. |
| 15:06.22 | xyu | Josh_Borke: To update you so you don't die of anxiety since i know you're eagerly awaiting my outcome. I did find the file, and got it working. Silence at last. |
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| 15:17.38 | Polarina | Fisker-: The screenshots at http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=276788003&sid=1 were removed, could you reupload them? |
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| 15:27.11 | many | http://krikkit.ukeer.de/Screenshot.png |
| 15:27.17 | many | wonder if i can set cpu affinity. |
| 15:29.16 | Fin | christ almighty |
| 15:29.29 | Fin | WoW.exe uses 2.7GB of virtual memory? |
| 15:29.38 | MoonWolf | it shouldnt |
| 15:29.41 | kagaro | dont loot at it on a mac |
| 15:29.44 | kagaro | err look |
| 15:29.48 | Funkeh` | you have 2.7gb virtual memory? |
| 15:30.00 | Fin | I'm just looking at many's screenshot |
| 15:30.01 | snorks | i see irssi |
| 15:30.11 | Funkeh` | right |
| 15:30.39 | many | above irssi is htop |
| 15:30.47 | many | but no, it isnt using 2.7G |
| 15:30.52 | snorks | im just running slackware |
| 15:30.57 | snorks | slap on a kde |
| 15:31.01 | many | it cant, since the memory footprint is way smaller and swap is unused |
| 15:31.25 | many | (look at the mem and swp bars in the uppermost 4 lines) |
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| 15:31.47 | snorks | wow.exe is using 2640 vmem here |
| 15:31.55 | many | and the box has 2G ram + 3G swap |
| 15:32.13 | many | i have to admit that iam still wondering what htop is actually calculating there |
| 15:32.14 | Fin | what does that "VIRT" column represent then? |
| 15:32.20 | Fin | oh, right, you don't know |
| 15:32.25 | Fin | fair enough |
| 15:32.27 | many | cant know everything :) |
| 15:32.44 | many | i'd suppose its what wow told the os it might want at one point |
| 15:32.50 | many | some kind of reservation, so to speak |
| 15:32.57 | Fin | it's often best not to know much at all |
| 15:33.11 | Fisker- | Polarina nope, had a when i got a new harddrive |
| 15:34.12 | Fisker- | can just make some new ones |
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| 15:38.23 | Fisker- | doesn't look like there's any difference anymore :o |
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| 15:40.00 | dabujo | Xinhuan: You coded ForeverAFK as small as possible yesterday. Now, is there a good reason not to do it some way like this: http://pastey.net/79973-r72n ? |
| 15:40.35 | Lukian | many, yeah virt column is peculiar |
| 15:40.35 | dabujo | Because thats how I usually do stuff like that. I don't know very much about performance and so on so im just wondering |
| 15:40.39 | Lukian | I don't have a swap partition |
| 15:40.46 | Lukian | and apps still say they are using virt. |
| 15:40.57 | Xinhuan | yeah that works |
| 15:41.10 | Xinhuan | cuts a few lines of if-then-else |
| 15:41.22 | Lukian | VIRT: 3774m |
| 15:41.27 | Lukian | RES: 562MB. |
| 15:41.31 | Lukian | lol |
| 15:41.39 | dabujo | ok |
| 15:45.27 | many | hm. |
| 15:45.48 | capullo | The total amount of virtual memory used by the task. It includes all code, data and shared libraries plus pages that have been swapped out. |
| 15:53.01 | Cheads | capullo in task manager? |
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| 15:54.26 | CIA-8 | 03cossy * r57848 10FuBar_LootTypeFu/ (. FuBar_LootTypeFu.toc LootTypeFuLocale-deDE.lua embeds.xml): |
| 15:54.26 | CIA-8 | FuBar_LootTypeFu: |
| 15:54.26 | CIA-8 | - added deDE locals, embeds.xml and externals |
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| 15:55.20 | chexsum | probably because its using opengl? |
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| 15:56.02 | chexsum | in vista wow is using 500M |
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| 15:58.56 | FinalX | under linux it's using 400mb here :p |
| 15:59.03 | osstia | I have a button that has a texture, and a count. I am adding the texture and the count as I drag/drop on the button. I would like to update the counts on a BAG_UPDATE |
| 15:59.36 | osstia | but i don't see a way to associate the item with the button so that I could do another GetItemCount() |
| 16:00.07 | KivinSan | osstia: A button is just a table. add a value to it |
| 16:00.19 | osstia | KivinSan I was hoping that was possible |
| 16:00.33 | KivinSan | button.item = "Wicked Arrow" |
| 16:00.45 | osstia | or button.item = link |
| 16:00.50 | KivinSan | or that |
| 16:00.52 | osstia | okay |
| 16:00.57 | Xinhuan | lua> a = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5} b = {} for k, v in pairs(b) do tinsert(b, v) tremove(b, k) end print(a) print(b) |
| 16:00.57 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: { 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 } (#1), { } (#2) |
| 16:01.11 | Xinhuan | lua> a = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5} b = {} for k, v in pairs(a) do tinsert(b, v) tremove(a, k) end print(a) print(b) |
| 16:01.11 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: { 2, 4 } (#1), { 1, 3, 5 } (#2) |
| 16:01.29 | Xinhuan | i knew it, fucking graphlib has a bug in it LOL! |
| 16:01.34 | Shirik | ? |
| 16:01.49 | Xinhuan | it used that algorithm |
| 16:01.54 | Xinhuan | in its Drawline() |
| 16:02.03 | Shirik | ah |
| 16:02.08 | Xinhuan | to mvoe lines from unused to used table based on whether its shown or not |
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| 16:02.37 | Shirik | well I do use a little trick like that myself |
| 16:02.42 | Shirik | intentionally |
| 16:02.48 | Shirik | to skip every other element because I need to |
| 16:02.48 | Xinhuan | clearly, using tremove on a numerically indexed table inside the loop will affect the pairs() iterator |
| 16:03.01 | Shirik | well actaully I didn't use pairs |
| 16:03.10 | Xinhuan | look in graphlib 1776-1786 |
| 16:03.16 | Xinhuan | do you think that is intended? |
| 16:03.23 | Shirik | but actually using tremove while iterating over pairs is not a good idea |
| 16:03.28 | Xinhuan | that loop is repeated in 2 other functions |
| 16:03.30 | Shirik | iirc the behavior of the iterator is not guaranteed |
| 16:04.22 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 16:04.31 | Xinhuan | there is a BREAK in there though |
| 16:04.47 | Xinhuan | whats the purpose |
| 16:05.15 | Xinhuan | to find the first unused texture? |
| 16:05.42 | Shirik | dunno that's a bit strange |
| 16:05.46 | Xinhuan | seems like a very roundabout way of doing it |
| 16:05.57 | Xinhuan | ifyou are already using tables for used and unused lines |
| 16:06.11 | Xinhuan | why do you need to check if a line is used/shown |
| 16:06.24 | Shirik | you know I was thinking about that foreverafk mod last night after the questions of legality about it |
| 16:06.39 | Shirik | Is it illegal to put a stapler on your keyboard? |
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| 16:07.46 | Preystalker | morning |
| 16:08.28 | FinalX | Shirik :P |
| 16:08.37 | FinalX | I used to do that in another game :p |
| 16:08.41 | Pernicius | is an wowace svn admin here? |
| 16:08.43 | Shirik | Me too :) |
| 16:08.45 | Shirik | that's why I ask |
| 16:08.45 | Xinhuan | uh it doesn't work in wow |
| 16:08.50 | Shirik | though in that game they actually advocated it |
| 16:08.53 | Shirik | Xinhuan: oh it doesn't? |
| 16:08.56 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 16:09.04 | Ellipsis | you should check out youtube videos of people afking |
| 16:09.12 | Xinhuan | holding down a key doesn't stop it from afking you offline |
| 16:09.12 | Ellipsis | they come up with such elaborate contraptions to hit spacebar repeatedly |
| 16:09.45 | Preystalker | is a bobbing bird an elaborate contraption? |
| 16:09.50 | FinalX | Shirik: In the end I made a setup at school during handcrafting hours that had a stick push down every 3 minutes :P Then you can just place that over your spacebar :p |
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| 16:10.12 | Xinhuan | i concluded that that loop is totally redundant |
| 16:10.18 | Xinhuan | and should just be deleted |
| 16:10.28 | Ellipsis | Preystalker: usually they're ultimately powered by a fan |
| 16:10.36 | Preystalker | ah |
| 16:10.43 | Xinhuan | and replaced with a single line T = tremove(C.GraphLib_Lines) |
| 16:11.55 | Preystalker | actions occur on key release right? |
| 16:12.04 | Xinhuan | not necessarily |
| 16:12.09 | Xinhuan | depends on how the button is defined |
| 16:12.17 | Xinhuan | on whether it is to act on buttondown or buttonup |
| 16:12.49 | Xinhuan | afk a bit |
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| 16:16.42 | Pkekyo| | ~seen thul |
| 16:16.45 | purl | thul is currently on #wowace. Has said a total of 607 messages. Is idling for 4h 2m 43s, last said: '[13:16:00] < purl> snorks is currently on #wowace (4h 23m 2s). Has said a total of 29 messages. Is idling for 8s, last said: 'did someone say bukkake?'. <- topic now pl3453'. |
| 16:19.51 | Quokka | anyone know if there is a mod like Bagnon out that supports guildbanks |
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| 16:28.14 | Pkekyo| | anyone here been in zeh army? |
| 16:28.19 | Kemayo | Quokka: Haven't seen one yet. |
| 16:29.19 | Xinhuan | ~seen cryect |
| 16:29.21 | purl | cryect <i=Cryect@c-24-98-97-240.hsd1.ga.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 2d 1h 46m 3s ago, saying: 'damn being scrolled up'. |
| 16:29.24 | Xinhuan | i want to kill cryect now |
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| 16:29.49 | Xinhuan | GraphLib does not handle library upgrades properly |
| 16:30.13 | Quokka | Kemayo: thanks, how hard would it be building in support in Bagnon/Combuctor |
| 16:31.09 | Kemayo | Quokka: Depends on how those addons are written -- it's a separate API from the standard container stuff, so it'd require a lot of special-case stuff. |
| 16:32.48 | Quokka | Kemayo: I saw that Arkinventory did it, but thats to heavy. tried looking at the code, did'nt make mutch sence to me, but i'm still learning coding lua |
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| 16:46.38 | Kemayo | Quokka: Yeah, meddling with the various auto-sorted bag mods isn't a great early addon project. |
| 16:50.09 | Xinhuan | so not only does GraphLib not upgrade properly (old created graphs still point to the old functions), it has redundant code that does nothing and, VanasKoS breaks all addons that use GraphLib because the author didn't put GraphTextures in his externals |
| 16:50.57 | Kemayo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:55.00 | Stanzilla | Xinhuan: go fix it :p |
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| 16:58.43 | _rane | how does proximo get the opponents spec? |
| 16:59.32 | haste | the API allows it |
| 16:59.35 | haste | for now at least |
| 16:59.46 | dylanm | There are also those data mods that I think it will use |
| 17:00.01 | dylanm | The ones that have parses that you can download for each battlegroup |
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| 17:14.22 | CIA-8 | 03xinhuan * r57849 10VanasKoS/: |
| 17:14.22 | CIA-8 | VanasKoS: - Add missing external folder GraphTextures of GraphLib so that this |
| 17:14.23 | CIA-8 | stupid addon doesn't break every other addon that uses GraphLib if it is |
| 17:14.23 | CIA-8 | installed with libraries embedded (i.e. with externals) and its GraphLib version |
| 17:14.23 | CIA-8 | conveniently happens to be newer. |
| 17:14.27 | Xinhuan | </rage> |
| 17:17.53 | Xinhuan | did i mention this stupid addon uses not 1 but *2* custom channels for its data syncing |
| 17:18.11 | Kemayo | That does seem strange. |
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| 17:20.17 | kergoth | whats vanaskos anyway? kill on sight type dealy? |
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| 17:21.29 | Xinhuan | a bit more than that |
| 17:21.42 | kadrahil | wooot epic flying |
| 17:21.48 | kadrahil | so happy |
| 17:21.52 | Ellipsis | grats kadrahil |
| 17:22.00 | kadrahil | thanks |
| 17:22.09 | kadrahil | now i'm about 4k gold in debt ;O |
| 17:22.09 | Xinhuan | it gives you a "Guild KoS list" "Player KoS List" "Hate List" and "Nice List" |
| 17:22.25 | Xinhuan | and then adds in 100 options for it to sync with other ppl in your guild, friends and stuff |
| 17:22.28 | Xinhuan | then tracks pvp wins and losses |
| 17:22.33 | kadrahil | wow |
| 17:22.35 | Xinhuan | and shows them in a nice pie chart |
| 17:22.51 | Xinhuan | then adds a few million warning frames when you meet a guy on your kos list |
| 17:23.11 | dylanm | Should just name it "Hillsbrad" |
| 17:23.13 | Xinhuan | and has options to add waypoints to Cartographer_Notes and _Waypoints and even send this to everyone on your sync channel |
| 17:23.19 | kadrahil | haha dylanm |
| 17:23.30 | Xinhuan | so that they ALL receive this sync message and they ALL have the option to get that waypoint added to their screen |
| 17:23.36 | Xinhuan | so that they can all ZOOM IN FOR THE KILL |
| 17:23.42 | Xinhuan | /facepalm |
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| 17:24.00 | dylanm | That would be awesome if my friends weren't lazy |
| 17:25.22 | kagaro | I didnt see anyway in AceDB-3.0 to register a namespace to global, am I reding it right? |
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| 17:32.48 | kergoth | kadrahil: grats on the epic flyer |
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| 17:34.58 | kadrahil | thanks |
| 17:38.12 | Lukian | plenty of time |
| 17:38.55 | SunTsu | Well, no, because in that time I also plan to get 4 lvl 50 chars to level 60 ;) |
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| 17:41.26 | Lukian | levelling to 60 is quite easy now |
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| 17:42.23 | Lukian | I did 64->65 on my warlock today |
| 17:42.38 | Lukian | Didn't even get all the gear upgrade quests done. |
| 17:42.52 | Lukian | (ie. didn't even start nessy's in nagrand) |
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| 17:47.55 | CIA-8 | 03xinhuan 07Talents * r57850 10WoWEquip/ (WoWEquip.lua WoWEquipData.lua): WoWEquip: - Add druid talent menus, change talent data format slightly, add some comments |
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| 17:56.56 | Trae | is there a good Raid UI you can use for BG's that eliminate party stuff? |
| 17:59.47 | genetik- | grid? |
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| 18:00.16 | chiper | most of the raid unit frames let you hide the party frames |
| 18:03.04 | Xinhuan | lua> a = {1} print(tremove(a)) print(tremove(a)) |
| 18:03.04 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 1 |
| 18:03.17 | Xinhuan | lua> a = {} print(tremove(a)) |
| 18:03.17 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: |
| 18:04.03 | Elsia | lua> a={b,c} print(_,k=pairs(a)) |
| 18:04.04 | lua_bot | Elsia: sandbox.lua:298: Compilation failed: [string "a={b,c} print(_,k=pairs(a))"]:1: ')' expected near '=' |
| 18:04.08 | Elsia | :D |
| 18:04.30 | Shirik | wtf is that supposed to be? |
| 18:04.48 | Elsia | lua> print("I am a bot!") |
| 18:04.49 | lua_bot | Elsia: I am a bot! |
| 18:04.56 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:04.57 | Shirik | no |
| 18:05.00 | Shirik | your code |
| 18:05.07 | Elsia | just wanted to test the bot |
| 18:05.22 | Shirik | ever heard "garbage in, garbage out" ? |
| 18:05.42 | Elsia | worked fine as far as I am concerned, it's good to test with garbage at times |
| 18:06.00 | Shirik | that's beyond garbage |
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| 18:09.02 | Elsia | lua> Band members don't like each other. Try another compilation. |
| 18:09.02 | lua_bot | Elsia: sandbox.lua:298: Compilation failed: [string "Band members don't like each other. Try another compilation."]:1: '=' expected near 'members' |
| 18:09.22 | Elsia | make love is still preferable :P |
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| 18:17.15 | kadrahil | ugh |
| 18:17.24 | kadrahil | 41% repair bill = 22g on my hunter :( |
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| 18:17.43 | Shirik | that's like what it is for me on my priest :P |
| 18:17.58 | Pernicius | i love my warlock ... 0% = 30g |
| 18:18.38 | vhaarr | ~computer language benchmarks game |
| 18:18.50 | vhaarr | purl, computer language benchmarks game is http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:18.51 | purl | vhaarr: that's too long |
| 18:18.57 | vhaarr | nub |
| 18:19.00 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 18:19.09 | vhaarr | purl, language benchmarks is http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:19.10 | purl | ACTION grabs benchmarks is http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/ by the ear and washes benchmarks is http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/'s mouth out with soap |
| 18:19.18 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:19.20 | vhaarr | wut |
| 18:19.26 | Ellipsis | o.o |
| 18:19.30 | Ellipsis | purl, language vhaarr |
| 18:19.30 | purl | ACTION grabs vhaarr by the ear and washes vhaarr's mouth out with soap |
| 18:19.31 | kadrahil | hahaha |
| 18:19.33 | Shirik | "language" is a factoid |
| 18:19.41 | kadrahil | fail |
| 18:19.43 | vhaarr | aha |
| 18:21.18 | vhaarr | ~programming language bench |
| 18:21.18 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, programming language bench is http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:22.28 | osstia | Can I get a little help with the theory of how to accomplish what I want. I have 8 buttons (generated by a for loop) and when I drop an item on them it updates the buttons to match the count and texture. I want to re-scan these buttons on BAG_UPDATE to update the count. I am thinking the best way would be to go through the button names in a for loop and just update each one if the Button.item ~= nil |
| 18:22.45 | osstia | is there a better/more efficient way to go about this? |
| 18:23.10 | vhaarr | osstia: from what little knowledge we have of your code, no |
| 18:23.38 | vhaarr | or hm |
| 18:23.42 | osstia | is checking 8 butons on a BAG_UPDATE going to be resource intensive? |
| 18:24.02 | CIA-8 | 03scorpio0920 * r57851 10GlowFoSho/locales/Locale-zhTW.lua: |
| 18:24.02 | CIA-8 | GlowFoSho: |
| 18:24.02 | CIA-8 | - Update zhTW translation. |
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| 18:24.25 | vhaarr | depends what you check and how often BAG_UPDATE is triggered |
| 18:25.43 | osstia | my knowledge of BAG_UPDATE is that it is triggered every time your inventory changes. whcih would be looting, mail, bank, trades etc.. right? |
| 18:27.29 | osstia | thanks vhaarr |
| 18:27.49 | vhaarr | osstia: perhaps you could use a bucket event for it |
| 18:27.59 | Josh_Borke | bucket events blow |
| 18:28.08 | Josh_Borke | delayed processing is better |
| 18:28.12 | osstia | I don't know what a bucket event is. I would need to research |
| 18:28.21 | Xinhuan | osstia, it fires once every time you shoot an arrow too |
| 18:28.44 | Josh_Borke | Osstia: a bucket event is when you process multiple BAG_UPDATES at once |
| 18:28.55 | osstia | Xinhuan, based on that, would it fire if a reagant is used? |
| 18:29.00 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 18:29.06 | osstia | That would make sense |
| 18:29.11 | Josh_Borke | Osstia: usually used in like BAG_UPDATE when you want to know something about the bags but you don't need it in real time |
| 18:29.29 | Xinhuan | BAG_UPDATE fires with arg1 equal to the bag number that contained something that changed |
| 18:29.33 | Josh_Borke | osstia: BAG_UPDATE fires any time an item in your bags changes quartity |
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| 18:29.51 | Xinhuan | so if you did your code really well, you would only need to process that particular bag |
| 18:30.01 | Josh_Borke | so moving an item around fires BAG_UPDATE |
| 18:30.07 | Xinhuan | correct |
| 18:30.18 | Josh_Borke | i know it's correct, i wouldn't have said it otherwise |
| 18:30.25 | Xinhuan | swapping 17 items in a row with itemrack will fire 34 BAG_UPDATE events |
| 18:30.26 | osstia | hah |
| 18:30.37 | Jaliborc | Anyone here using a mac can help me with a question? |
| 18:30.50 | osstia | I use one, but i'm not on it at the moment |
| 18:30.58 | osstia | well, I'm in windows on it |
| 18:31.04 | Jaliborc | no problem |
| 18:31.11 | Jaliborc | is just a question |
| 18:31.18 | Xinhuan | yep the more i look at the code in GraphLib, the more i want to stab Cryect |
| 18:31.37 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: StatusBars > Texture |
| 18:31.38 | Josh_Borke | gfy |
| 18:31.45 | Josh_Borke | let's talk about graphlib xinhuan |
| 18:31.50 | Xinhuan | he has loops that do nothing, and he has function calls that duplicate drawing horizontal/vertical lines |
| 18:31.51 | Josh_Borke | i did similar work with my borked monitors |
| 18:31.51 | Jaliborc | how do you make zip files without including the finder folder system files? (they are invisible in mac, but you can see them in a windows computer) |
| 18:31.53 | Xinhuan | so that 2 lines are drawn |
| 18:31.54 | Xinhuan | and not 1 |
| 18:32.12 | Xinhuan | so if you called graphlib to draw 100 horizontal lines |
| 18:32.17 | Xinhuan | it is actually drawing 200 |
| 18:32.22 | Xinhuan | with the last 100 on top of the first 100 |
| 18:33.45 | durcyn | Jaliborc: you'd have to do zip -i .* |
| 18:33.51 | durcyn | er -x |
| 18:33.59 | Jaliborc | how? |
| 18:34.00 | osstia | Jaliborc that exaclty what I use |
| 18:34.10 | osstia | I only create them froma terminal |
| 18:34.12 | durcyn | meet Terminal ;) |
| 18:34.14 | xt | Borc! |
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| 18:34.57 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: if you read any of cryects code, it all works like that :P |
| 18:35.02 | Jaliborc | i didn't understood |
| 18:35.14 | Xinhuan | well his code is affecting my addon's performance! |
| 18:35.20 | vhaarr | his code is cool though, but it's very cluttered and ugly |
| 18:35.31 | vhaarr | or his projects are cool |
| 18:35.37 | osstia | Jaliborc I use a command from a Terminal |
| 18:35.57 | Jaliborc | oh |
| 18:36.00 | osstia | zip -x .* filename.zip dir/* |
| 18:36.05 | osstia | or something similar |
| 18:36.08 | Xinhuan | i just removed 38 lines of loops and replaced it with 6 lines that did the same thing, without loops |
| 18:36.10 | Jaliborc | thanks! |
| 18:36.24 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: aren't you the one fixing up postal? because if you are, I can complain about your code as well if you want :P |
| 18:36.31 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: I just haven't, since I don't use postal |
| 18:36.34 | Xinhuan | do it vhaarr |
| 18:36.36 | sylvanaar_work | are you going to make the graphing thing Xinhuan |
| 18:36.38 | kadrahil | did JC prospecting get nerfed? |
| 18:36.38 | vhaarr | can't be arsed |
| 18:36.46 | kadrahil | i only got 2 rares out of like 5 stacks of ore |
| 18:36.48 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: I'll just fix it some day instead |
| 18:36.55 | Xinhuan | probably going to commit some changes |
| 18:37.09 | osstia | kadrahil I did 16 stacks on Saturday and got 23 gems |
| 18:37.15 | osstia | rares that is |
| 18:37.22 | kadrahil | haha, ok |
| 18:37.29 | kadrahil | guess i'm in a bad streak |
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| 18:37.53 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: afaik, cryect is pretty much gone, so feel free to do anything to graphlib |
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| 18:37.57 | Xinhuan | vhaarr, its unlikely you'll find anything to complain about |
| 18:38.00 | Xinhuan | :D |
| 18:38.17 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: I know there's stuff to complain about, I read svn commit mail diffs :P |
| 18:38.18 | osstia | Xinhuan is an olympiad |
| 18:38.49 | Xinhuan | code wasn't originally mine anyway |
| 18:38.52 | sylvanaar_work | i think we should all just stop complaining about other ppls code in general, and write more cool stuff |
| 18:39.01 | Xinhuan | i always write cool stuff! |
| 18:39.05 | vhaarr | sylvanaar_work: never, it's fun to complain |
| 18:39.23 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 18:39.23 | Xinhuan | my favourite is writing cool complaints |
| 18:39.24 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 18:39.40 | vhaarr | sylvanaar_work: notice how I complained in your thread and then when I was done complaining I just ignored it! |
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| 18:39.47 | sylvanaar_work | haha |
| 18:39.57 | vhaarr | in order to get me to participate more you must feed me more shitty stuff |
| 18:40.13 | vhaarr | ^^ |
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| 18:40.22 | osstia | you could have a field day with mine vhaarr |
| 18:40.31 | Xinhuan | something like "This problem is worsened because your stupid addon starts with a letter V, and NTFS disks returns folders in alphabetical order and wow will almost always load this addon last" is a cool complaint |
| 18:40.34 | osstia | but i am quite sensative at the moment and might cry |
| 18:40.49 | vhaarr | osstia: then I advice you to keep it to yourself |
| 18:41.01 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: lol |
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| 18:42.11 | potemkin | is using self calls in onupdate suppose to work |
| 18:42.25 | haste | urd |
| 18:42.26 | Fin | no |
| 18:42.30 | haste | s/urd/yes/ |
| 18:42.33 | Fin | it's specifically banned in chapter 2 of the RULES |
| 18:42.37 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: commit your update |
| 18:42.47 | Xinhuan | i'm actually cleaning up the code |
| 18:42.48 | Fin | maybe he has committment issues |
| 18:42.54 | Josh_Borke | i'd like to see a diff |
| 18:43.03 | Xinhuan | declaring a local, then checking if the local is nil is dumb |
| 18:43.32 | Xinhuan | then the local didn't get used ;p |
| 18:43.54 | Xinhuan | i also just saw this code |
| 18:43.57 | Xinhuan | 4 lines |
| 18:44.00 | Xinhuan | if sx>ex then |
| 18:44.01 | Xinhuan | local t=sx |
| 18:44.01 | Xinhuan | sx=ex |
| 18:44.01 | Xinhuan | ex=sx |
| 18:44.01 | Xinhuan | end |
| 18:44.07 | sylvanaar_work | i see sex |
| 18:44.07 | Xinhuan | and i'm wondering if it is a big fat typo |
| 18:44.17 | Xinhuan | in that code |
| 18:44.23 | Josh_Borke | hm, i guess graphlib did get used more than just drawing 2d graphs |
| 18:44.28 | Xinhuan | is he trying to swap the values of sx and ex? |
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| 18:44.29 | Josh_Borke | yes, it obviously is |
| 18:44.32 | Josh_Borke | obviously |
| 18:44.37 | vhaarr | rofl |
| 18:44.44 | Xinhuan | i mean, that's the code i'm seeing |
| 18:44.50 | Josh_Borke | must not be used |
| 18:44.52 | Josh_Borke | or important |
| 18:44.57 | vhaarr | obviously your eyes are not working correctly |
| 18:45.10 | sylvanaar_work | doesnt lua have a swap trick anyways |
| 18:45.16 | Xinhuan | yep it does |
| 18:45.26 | sylvanaar_work | a, b = b, a |
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| 18:45.29 | sylvanaar_work | or something |
| 18:45.35 | vhaarr | yes |
| 18:45.37 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: update it to LibStub |
| 18:45.48 | Xinhuan | no, the entire graphlib is broken |
| 18:45.52 | Xinhuan | it doesn't upgrade properly |
| 18:46.07 | Xinhuan | if you have a earlier version of graphlib loaded, create some graph with it |
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| 18:46.19 | Xinhuan | the graph has functino refererences |
| 18:46.28 | Xinhuan | if you then load a newer version of graphlib |
| 18:46.37 | Josh_Borke | hm, i see |
| 18:46.41 | Xinhuan | the old graph functions doesn't get upgraded or thrown away |
| 18:46.49 | vhaarr | well isn't that easy to fix then |
| 18:46.58 | Xinhuan | so if you have 3 versions, you end up with 3 copies of graphlib in memory |
| 18:47.03 | Josh_Borke | yes and no |
| 18:47.09 | Josh_Borke | you have 3 versions of the functions inside graphlib |
| 18:47.21 | Xinhuan | yes something like that |
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| 18:47.31 | vhaarr | I'd fix it if I was at home but I won't be until the 13th |
| 18:47.45 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: i'll fix the upgrading tonight |
| 18:47.53 | Xinhuan | i'll fix up this portion first |
| 18:47.55 | Josh_Borke | if you'll switch it to libstub |
| 18:48.20 | Xinhuan | also |
| 18:48.21 | Xinhuan | local TextureDirectory="Interface\\AddOns\\"..string.match(debugstack(1,1,0),"AddOns\\(.+)Graph%-1%.0\\").."GraphTextures\\" |
| 18:48.27 | Xinhuan | it uses this method for getting the path |
| 18:48.31 | Xinhuan | to the texture folder |
| 18:48.46 | Xinhuan | if graph-1.0 is embedded deep enough |
| 18:48.47 | Josh_Borke | holy shit that's a lot of functions to update |
| 18:48.55 | Xinhuan | debugstack() call returns a truncated path |
| 18:48.57 | Xinhuan | and that path fails |
| 18:49.03 | Xinhuan | to match string.match() |
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| 18:49.14 | Josh_Borke | quite complaining and fix it |
| 18:49.22 | Josh_Borke | he's the first one to do anything about this type of library |
| 18:49.29 | Josh_Borke | no one else will write one |
| 18:49.39 | Josh_Borke | and when they do, i'm sure he'll come out and say "oh look, i'm stupid there" |
| 18:49.40 | Trae | anyone use AGUF? |
| 18:49.44 | Josh_Borke | trae: i use it |
| 18:49.48 | Trae | I found this layout |
| 18:49.52 | Trae | and have it in the layout dir |
| 18:49.55 | Trae | "stank" lol |
| 18:49.59 | Josh_Borke | oh, can't help with layouts |
| 18:50.01 | Trae | and am trying to figure out how to load it |
| 18:50.04 | Josh_Borke | i use Ace3 branch, it doesn't have any |
| 18:50.14 | Trae | oh |
| 18:50.30 | Trae | I just have whatever is in WoWAce Updater tool |
| 18:50.55 | Josh_Borke | yea, which mine isn't |
| 18:50.57 | Josh_Borke | sorry |
| 18:51.00 | Trae | np |
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| 19:10.26 | FtH|Daemona | this is just wow.... i opened a ticket ~3 hours ago |
| 19:10.37 | FtH|Daemona | then i get a reply during Illidari council |
| 19:10.45 | FtH|Daemona | and tell the gm i am busy atm |
| 19:10.58 | FtH|Daemona | and he closes the ticket and tells me to open a new ticket when i got time. |
| 19:11.00 | FtH|Daemona | o.O |
| 19:11.11 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 19:11.12 | Funkeh` | pwnd |
| 19:11.15 | Funkeh` | anyway |
| 19:11.22 | Funkeh` | the real points is, how can you be busy during a farm run |
| 19:12.01 | NeoTron | we cleared up to shahraz (meaning she died) on our second day of raiding (incl full hyjal clear on tue) |
| 19:12.05 | NeoTron | pretty nice (for us) |
| 19:12.18 | NeoTron | going for our third illidan kill this week |
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| 19:18.09 | Xinhuan | how many hours do you raid a night |
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| 19:22.16 | Estil | RAID OR DIE |
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| 19:24.52 | Herio | my guild raids 3 nights a week 4 hours a night |
| 19:25.22 | Herio | we're 4/9 BT and 5/5 MH |
| 19:34.40 | shieldb | Funkeh`, you the person to pester about oRA2 feature requests? :) |
| 19:34.52 | Funkeh` | that would be [Ammo] |
| 19:35.07 | shieldb | I shall pester him, then |
| 19:36.33 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: commit! |
| 19:36.41 | Xinhuan | testing final changes |
| 19:38.43 | CIA-8 | 03xinhuan * r57852 10GraphLib/Graph-1.0/Graph-1.0.lua: |
| 19:38.43 | CIA-8 | GraphLib: |
| 19:38.43 | CIA-8 | - Fix DrawVLine() and DrawHLine() to actually work |
| 19:38.43 | CIA-8 | - Fix DrawLine() to actually not create and draw 2 lines for every horizontal or vertical line by returning after calling DrawVLine() and DrawHLine() |
| 19:38.43 | CIA-8 | - Replace 51 lines of loops with 9 lines of direct code that which does the same thing |
| 19:38.43 | CIA-8 | - Get rid of unused locals |
| 19:38.52 | Xinhuan | there |
| 19:38.58 | alext | <CIA-8> - Replace 51 lines of loops with 9 lines of direct code that which does the same thing |
| 19:38.59 | alext | nice |
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| 19:48.27 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: we raid 4 hrs per night |
| 19:48.37 | NeoTron | although we went a bit over last night to get shahraz down |
| 19:49.00 | Xinhuan | ah we only raid 3 at the moment, yesterday we cleared TK, today we almost cleared Hyjal - but wiped on archi at 30%, but it got too late ~_~ |
| 19:49.03 | Xinhuan | 3 hours that is |
| 19:49.11 | NeoTron | we had the MT die on shahraz, and the OT druid in SR gear took over mting |
| 19:49.14 | NeoTron | that was interesting |
| 19:49.39 | NeoTron | TK? zomg |
| 19:49.51 | Xinhuan | yeah got 9 people vials |
| 19:49.53 | NeoTron | you're on / bhave killed archimonde and still clear TK? |
| 19:50.03 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 19:50.10 | Xinhuan | we only went back to attune people once |
| 19:50.11 | Gngsk | you kinda have to if you want to key people |
| 19:50.14 | Xinhuan | don't do TK other than that |
| 19:50.26 | Xinhuan | we're currently "stuck" on RoS |
| 19:50.37 | Gngsk | that sucks |
| 19:51.15 | NeoTron | we one shotted RoS - perfect kill pretty much |
| 19:51.16 | NeoTron | first time |
| 19:51.21 | NeoTron | we oneshotted I mean |
| 19:51.26 | NeoTron | no p1/p2 deaths even |
| 19:51.29 | Stanzilla | we did that to the mother today |
| 19:51.30 | Herio | heh |
| 19:51.33 | NeoTron | not true, we had one p1 death |
| 19:51.35 | Stanzilla | 1st time 1st try |
| 19:51.41 | Stanzilla | today :D |
| 19:51.45 | NeoTron | Stanzilla: so our first attempt on shahraz she dies |
| 19:51.51 | Herio | we 23 man one shot rage our first night in MH |
| 19:51.59 | NeoTron | 2nd kill took a few wipes though |
| 19:52.23 | Stanzilla | mother is easy mode |
| 19:52.47 | NeoTron | if you're properly geared, yes it is |
| 19:53.29 | Herio | i'd imagine hitting the SR cockblock could be a problem =P |
| 19:54.04 | Herio | we're probably going to hit shahraz need need to wait out hearts for SR =( |
| 19:54.06 | Stanzilla | i had 385 sr today |
| 19:54.26 | Xinhuan | not really, we currently have more than enough HoDs |
| 19:54.34 | Xinhuan | like an extra 30 or so even |
| 19:54.40 | Xinhuan | just need to kick RoS down |
| 19:54.52 | Xinhuan | but i cancelled raids over christmas/new years |
| 19:54.54 | Herio | 5/5 and 4/9 in 3 weeks is going to get us into that problem from what i hear =( |
| 19:54.59 | Xinhuan | so the last 2 weeks we haven't done anything |
| 19:55.12 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: when do you raid? |
| 19:55.15 | Xinhuan | the funny thing is we've kiled archimonde 5 times and |
| 19:55.19 | Herio | yeah, our guild took 4 days off =( |
| 19:55.28 | Xinhuan | he's dropped EIGHT mage/rogue/druid helms our of the TEN tokens |
| 19:55.28 | Herio | we've gotten 2 archimonde kills so far |
| 19:55.37 | Xinhuan | out* of |
| 19:55.38 | Herio | daaaang |
| 19:55.44 | NeoTron | Stanzilla: too much SR executus! |
| 19:55.52 | Xinhuan | its getting hilariously funny when we see double mage helm every kill |
| 19:56.07 | Xinhuan | Josh_Borke, 1.30-5am server time, PST |
| 19:56.12 | Herio | hope you have a lot of those classes |
| 19:56.14 | Josh_Borke | ... |
| 19:56.17 | Josh_Borke | holy fuck |
| 19:56.22 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: weird |
| 19:56.24 | Xinhuan | australian guild |
| 19:56.26 | Xinhuan | i live in singapore |
| 19:56.31 | Josh_Borke | nvm then :-P |
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| 19:56.43 | Herio | so you're raiding from -6 hours off that time, then? =P |
| 19:56.46 | Xinhuan | the raid times work out to be 8.30-12 for sydney |
| 19:56.49 | Herio | well -6 hours the next day |
| 19:57.12 | Xinhuan | anyway Josh_Borke, how's the graphlib changes |
| 19:57.20 | Stanzilla | NeoTron: yeah but when I replaced the bracers i was under the max |
| 19:57.22 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: i dunno, fisheye is being a bitch |
| 19:57.28 | Xinhuan | just hit F5 |
| 19:57.34 | Xinhuan | http://fish.wowace.com/browse/WowAce/trunk/GraphLib |
| 19:57.55 | Xinhuan | or |
| 19:57.56 | Xinhuan | http://fish.wowace.com/browse/WowAce/trunk/GraphLib/Graph-1.0/Graph-1.0.lua?r1=57322&r2=57852 |
| 19:58.02 | Josh_Borke | got it, thanks |
| 19:59.48 | Xinhuan | look at this too |
| 19:59.50 | Xinhuan | http://fish.wowace.com/changelog/WowAce/trunk/GraphLib?cs=40641 |
| 20:00.06 | Xinhuan | that's the revision that i killed basically |
| 20:00.57 | Josh_Borke | yea, that f irst for loop is a big improvement |
| 20:01.04 | Josh_Borke | but that's probably because he didn't know tremove returns the object |
| 20:01.20 | Xinhuan | if you look 2 revisions back |
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| 20:01.50 | Xinhuan | http://fish.wowace.com/browse/WowAce/trunk/GraphLib/Graph-1.0/Graph-1.0.lua?r1=46038&r2=57322 |
| 20:01.53 | Xinhuan | i commited this one |
| 20:02.31 | Xinhuan | his whole library was using globals |
| 20:02.53 | Xinhuan | i didn't really get into localizing each math.foo() function |
| 20:05.00 | Xinhuan | also, you can probably convert it to libstub without affecting anything |
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| 20:11.50 | Xinhuan | is Shadowed awake? ping! |
| 20:12.04 | Shadowed | nope |
| 20:12.06 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: are you sure that last for loop will work? |
| 20:12.19 | Xinhuan | which last for loop? |
| 20:12.19 | kadrahil | (Sonar blips on map sounds) |
| 20:12.29 | Josh_Borke | wait, i guess it will |
| 20:12.30 | Xinhuan | the one in HideLines()? |
| 20:12.32 | Josh_Borke | yea |
| 20:12.39 | kadrahil | heya Josh_Borke |
| 20:12.39 | Xinhuan | i commited that loop more than 2 weeks ago |
| 20:12.45 | Shadowed | Xinhuan what |
| 20:12.51 | Xinhuan | i merely cleanedup that function |
| 20:12.54 | Josh_Borke | why not: while C.GraphLib_Lines_Used[1] do <hide> tinsert end |
| 20:12.55 | Xinhuan | oh Shadowed |
| 20:12.58 | Josh_Borke | kadrahil: heya |
| 20:13.13 | Xinhuan | do you know what Process Explorer is for windows? |
| 20:13.42 | kadrahil | unix ps ported to windows? |
| 20:14.02 | Xinhuan | Josh_Borke, because it gets painful to transfer each table member to the other one, if you do tremove() on the first table member, it has to reorder every remaining element |
| 20:14.45 | Xinhuan | i wanted to see if you can implement a "real time CPU usage graph", aka a graph of cpu usage over time, for each addon, like in Process Explorer |
| 20:14.58 | Xinhuan | its better than staring at numbers that change every 1 second |
| 20:15.01 | Shadowed | probably |
| 20:15.13 | Shadowed | But thats probably outside the scope of what OH does |
| 20:15.24 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: you can still tremove from the end |
| 20:15.38 | Xinhuan | Josh_Borke, you can, that's what it already does |
| 20:15.52 | Xinhuan | the loop goes backwards and tremove() without any index removes from the end |
| 20:16.52 | Xinhuan | your suggestion of "while C.GraphLib_Lines_Used[1]" has to do 2 table lookups every loop |
| 20:16.59 | Josh_Borke | yes, i realize that now |
| 20:17.38 | Xinhuan | Shadowed i wouldn't know about that, what exactly is the scope of optionhouse? ;) |
| 20:17.48 | Shadowed | everything it does right now |
| 20:17.48 | Josh_Borke | repeat local line = tremove; line:Hide; tinsert(line) until not line |
| 20:17.54 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: 0 table lookups :-D |
| 20:17.56 | Shadowed | if you can convince cladhaire that it's useful i'll add it! |
| 20:18.12 | Xinhuan | it does a bit of cpu profiling as it stands |
| 20:18.13 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: create it as a module to OH and you're done |
| 20:18.38 | Xinhuan | i'm suggesting adding something to remember usage each tick and display as a graph |
| 20:18.54 | cladhaire | ? |
| 20:18.56 | Shadowed | Theirs a difference between showing basic CPU stats |
| 20:19.07 | Shadowed | and adding a new area that monitors and graphs CPU |
| 20:19.15 | Xinhuan | yes i realize that, and adding the graphs will also eat cpu |
| 20:19.17 | Shadowed | cladhaire: Graph in OH of CPU performance, beyond scope I'd think? |
| 20:19.30 | Xinhuan | cladhaire, thinking of a "process explorer" like thing |
| 20:19.32 | cladhaire | not really, no |
| 20:19.35 | cladhaire | why not? |
| 20:19.38 | Shadowed | alright then |
| 20:19.42 | Josh_Borke | because i said so |
| 20:19.42 | Shadowed | do we have a graphing library |
| 20:19.45 | Shadowed | that doesn't suck? |
| 20:19.46 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 20:19.48 | Xinhuan | GraphLib |
| 20:19.50 | Shadowed | and doesn't require 50 libraries? |
| 20:19.54 | Josh_Borke | Shadowed: GraphLib will be LibStub tonight |
| 20:19.56 | Josh_Borke | so gfy |
| 20:19.59 | Shadowed | GET TO WORK |
| 20:20.01 | Josh_Borke | fuck you |
| 20:20.02 | Shadowed | i want it now |
| 20:20.04 | Xinhuan | recount uses graphlib to do realtime graphs |
| 20:20.04 | Shadowed | NO YOU |
| 20:20.24 | Shadowed | oh josh is doing it? it sucks then |
| 20:20.28 | Xinhuan | Shadowed http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Recount |
| 20:20.32 | Xinhuan | check screenshot in that link |
| 20:20.43 | Xinhuan | that is what graphlib is capable of doing |
| 20:21.05 | Xinhuan | i just optimized the DrawLine() functions |
| 20:21.05 | Shadowed | fun |
| 20:21.11 | Shadowed | I'll deal with it later |
| 20:21.14 | Josh_Borke | !wowwiki LibStub |
| 20:21.21 | Josh_Borke | ~wowwiki LibStub |
| 20:21.24 | Josh_Borke | hrmph |
| 20:21.33 | Josh_Borke | no lazy people love |
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| 20:22.02 | Xinhuan | graphlib currently only uses AceLibrary, and only purely for version numbering |
| 20:22.33 | Josh_Borke | i think i'll just bump the major |
| 20:22.52 | Xinhuan | LibGraph-2.0 |
| 20:23.22 | Josh_Borke | sounds good to me |
| 20:23.40 | Xinhuan | there's some upgrade path issues in it |
| 20:24.01 | Xinhuan | because the CreateXYZGraph functions assigns the local lib functions to the object |
| 20:24.23 | Xinhuan | so on library upgrade, the functions don't get upgraded on each graph object |
| 20:24.33 | Josh_Borke | which i'll work on tonight |
| 20:24.56 | Stanzilla | weee someone fixed fisheye |
| 20:25.10 | Pkekyo| | I just realized I never saw Godfather 2 :( |
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| 20:46.45 | CIA-8 | LibHealComm-3.0: |
| 20:46.45 | CIA-8 | - Fixed paladin class module |
| 20:46.45 | CIA-8 | - Added support for Totem of Healing Rains |
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| 20:48.21 | CIA-8 | 03kagaro * r57854 10/branches/GatherMate/ (40 files in 11 dirs): GatherMate: initial import. ace3 based gathering mod |
| 20:48.40 | kagaro | Xinhaun: there is a stub |
| 20:48.54 | Xinhuan | whoa |
| 20:49.05 | Xinhuan | wtf did you do to create 40 files |
| 20:49.16 | Xinhuan | and then proceed to cal it a stub :D |
| 20:49.19 | Xinhuan | call* |
| 20:49.19 | kagaro | its all dry code .. slow day at the office |
| 20:49.45 | kagaro | im gona run it tonight and put some debug in to verify the collection code |
| 20:50.53 | Xinhuan | whats in the 11 folders? |
| 20:50.58 | Xinhuan | dont' really want to look now |
| 20:51.31 | kagaro | I stubbed in all the locales, and directly added Ace3-Beta .. ill swap it to externals once we got a release |
| 20:51.51 | Josh_Borke | ok, let's see if this work |
| 20:51.55 | Xinhuan | ah i see |
| 20:52.01 | Josh_Borke | fucking line endings |
| 20:52.25 | Xinhuan | i actually want to remove graphlib dependency from _Routes, i only need 1 function out of that entire file |
| 20:52.42 | Josh_Borke | then do it, and while you're at it, make it work with Ace2 :-D |
| 20:53.04 | Xinhuan | making it work with ace2 is tough |
| 20:53.17 | Xinhuan | because i'll have to include waterfall in it |
| 20:53.26 | Stanzilla | port carto + routes to ace3 is the better idea |
| 20:53.36 | Xinhuan | there is no GUI that is strong enough for _routes |
| 20:53.37 | Josh_Borke | don't port carto to Ace3 |
| 20:53.47 | Xinhuan | we're not porting carto to ace3 ;p |
| 20:54.01 | Josh_Borke | thank god |
| 20:54.01 | Stanzilla | okok |
| 20:54.08 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: why isn't there a gui good enough for _Routes? |
| 20:54.11 | Stanzilla | code routes for mapster :p |
| 20:54.29 | Josh_Borke | svn: File 'LibGraph-2.0/GraphTextures/Pie/1-64.tga' has inconsistent newlines |
| 20:54.33 | Josh_Borke | how the fuck do i fix that? |
| 20:54.39 | Josh_Borke | no, do not code routes for mapster |
| 20:54.45 | Josh_Borke | mapster is NOT the next carto |
| 20:54.47 | Xinhuan | kagaro and me is going to work with some ace3 gathering modules that is standalone and won't require any map addons, we'll just paint the stuff directly on whatever map addon is used |
| 20:54.56 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: THANK YOU |
| 20:55.00 | Xinhuan | it'll all be using the same WorldMapButton |
| 20:55.03 | Josh_Borke | purl, satisfy Xinhuan |
| 20:55.04 | purl | ACTION goes down on Xinhuan |
| 20:55.09 | kagaro | hahah |
| 20:55.15 | Aeyan | Hahaha |
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| 20:55.40 | kagaro | i dry coded all the gather detection stuff, im not adding treasure or that bullshit to it, just mine,herbs,fish, and gas |
| 20:56.05 | Xinhuan | every map addon just takes the existing map in the default UI and tweaks it anyway |
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| 20:56.23 | Xinhuan | so by making it standalone, it won't require a specific map addon (cartographer) to use it |
| 20:56.33 | chiper | yeah, I'd love to check out routes, but have no interest in installing cartographer |
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| 20:57.27 | RaydenU | routes? |
| 20:57.29 | Xinhuan | kagaro, treasure isn't that out of place tbh |
| 20:57.40 | RaydenU | what is routes? sounds interesting |
| 20:57.41 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: i wouldn't mind you making routes more standalone, ie define the syntax for the nodes that are iterated over clearly somewhere |
| 20:58.06 | kagaro | yeah so no tresure :P |
| 20:58.25 | Xinhuan | no i mean, including treasure isn't a bad thing |
| 20:58.30 | kagaro | in outlands, how many world chst do you realllly find |
| 20:58.40 | Ellipsis | uh... |
| 20:58.41 | Xinhuan | treasure isn't limited to chests |
| 20:58.51 | Xinhuan | it includes netherwing eggs, blood of heroes |
| 20:58.55 | Ellipsis | I loot outlands chests almost every day |
| 20:58.56 | Xinhuan | and similar things |
| 20:59.05 | kagaro | who uses blood of heroes anymore ? |
| 20:59.11 | Xinhuan | TSP.lua is standalone, i defined the arguments it accepts very clearly |
| 20:59.12 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 20:59.15 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan does! |
| 20:59.22 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: LIES!@ |
| 20:59.30 | chiper | I've never considered chests to be much worth the effort |
| 20:59.41 | Xinhuan | only thing is it only accepts cartographer coord IDs ;p |
| 20:59.47 | kagaro | same with eggs, once you hit your rep .. whats the point |
| 20:59.50 | chiper | it's usually just greens |
| 21:00.17 | Xinhuan | routes is more of a "i'll use any available database to make pretty routes" |
| 21:00.29 | kagaro | gona hed home, cya later |
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| 21:00.37 | Xinhuan | so i could technically extract data from lots of databases |
| 21:01.22 | chiper | make it work with gatherer and I've love you |
| 21:01.23 | Xinhuan | including gatherer if i bothered to |
| 21:01.52 | Xinhuan | but right from the outset, it was written with a dependency on cartographer_notes |
| 21:02.09 | Xinhuan | so in order to make _routes work with gatherer, you would have to install cartographer |
| 21:02.16 | chiper | ni |
| 21:02.16 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 21:03.12 | Xinhuan | would be a lot easier once ace3 is out, to just use that |
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| 21:04.59 | [Liquidor] | How the hell do I make NNScript join multiple servers? |
| 21:05.13 | [Liquidor] | ...on startup. |
| 21:05.21 | Xinhuan | i suggest you don't use mirc "packaged scripts" |
| 21:05.45 | [Liquidor] | well I don't know how to do it with mIRC itself either. |
| 21:05.46 | CIA-8 | 03joshborke * r57855 10LibGraph-2.0/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 21:05.46 | CIA-8 | LibGraph-2.0 |
| 21:05.46 | CIA-8 | - initial import |
| 21:05.46 | CIA-8 | - convert GraphLib-1.0 to use LibStub |
| 21:05.59 | Xinhuan | well NNscript, like a few hundred others, is just |
| 21:06.23 | Xinhuan | mIRC.exe packaged with a few hundred extra unnecessary .mrc files that execute on startup |
| 21:06.32 | Xinhuan | .mrc = mirc script files |
| 21:06.44 | [Liquidor] | ino |
| 21:06.53 | Josh_Borke | hm |
| 21:06.57 | Josh_Borke | i forgot LibStub.lua... |
| 21:07.27 | [Liquidor] | Still trying to connect to both QuakeNet and Freenode on startup. So far I can only auto-connect to QuakeNet |
| 21:07.54 | chiper | mirc. *shudder* |
| 21:07.58 | Xinhuan | in your connect script on quakenet, do your usual /server -n blah blah stuff |
| 21:08.15 | Xinhuan | so your first connect script actually causes a second connect |
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| 21:08.29 | Xinhuan | which then fires off the connect script for that server |
| 21:08.30 | Xinhuan | etc |
| 21:09.10 | Kivin | Where abouts can I find some documentation on making custom links in chat |
| 21:09.21 | CIA-8 | 03joshborke * r57856 10LibGraph-2.0/LibStub.lua: LibGraph-2.0: Add in LibStub |
| 21:09.22 | Josh_Borke | someone test LibStub |
| 21:09.26 | Josh_Borke | er, LibGraph |
| 21:10.38 | Xinhuan | how many addons do you know use graphlib? heh |
| 21:11.07 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: move the textures into LibGraph, mine was borking |
| 21:11.17 | Xinhuan | can you remove the GraphTextures folder |
| 21:11.22 | Xinhuan | its totally unnecessary |
| 21:11.40 | Josh_Borke | how to fix? |
| 21:12.00 | Xinhuan | just have all texture files in the same folder as the main .lua file |
| 21:12.12 | Xinhuan | so the debugstack call at the very top doesn't have to do tricky things |
| 21:12.49 | Xinhuan | i don't see the purpose of adding an extra folder GraphTextures |
| 21:12.58 | Xinhuan | when everything should just be in 1 folder |
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| 21:15.28 | [Liquidor] | There we go :) |
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| 21:17.00 | Xinhuan | afk 15 min getting foood |
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| 21:22.44 | Stanzilla | illidari council DOWN |
| 21:23.18 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&postId=37728589216&sid=1#121 <-wuts dis? |
| 21:23.47 | Josh_Borke | Stanzilla: grats |
| 21:24.01 | Stanzilla | thanks :) |
| 21:24.15 | Killmore | oh nice ! illidan now :P |
| 21:24.23 | Josh_Borke | Fisker-: no clue :-D |
| 21:25.03 | Josh_Borke | Fired when a specific party member is offline or dead |
| 21:25.12 | yssaril | anyone know what event is fired if somone in the guild goes afk? also is there an event for the same thing but for a raid? |
| 21:25.13 | Stanzilla | yup illidan will die soon :D |
| 21:25.31 | Josh_Borke | events fire for going AFK? |
| 21:26.00 | yssaril | i dont know thats why i was asking :P |
| 21:27.01 | Xinhuan | josh you going to fix the textures? |
| 21:27.38 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: not right now, no |
| 21:27.41 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: i'm at work |
| 21:27.45 | Xinhuan | ok |
| 21:27.48 | Josh_Borke | i did the extent of my abilities |
| 21:27.56 | Xinhuan | i'll poke a bit |
| 21:28.43 | yssaril | so can i safely assume there are no events that fire when somone in the guild/raid goes afk and if i want to track it i would need to track this by contiually scanning everyone? |
| 21:28.52 | Josh_Borke | soemone post on mmo-champion that you can resize fubar |
| 21:28.57 | Josh_Borke | yssaril: yes |
| 21:29.15 | yssaril | k |
| 21:30.51 | yssaril | now will "GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE" fire if someone goes offline? |
| 21:30.58 | NeoTron | Stanzilla: grats |
| 21:31.10 | NeoTron | I think council has been our hardest challenge in there |
| 21:31.18 | Kivin | Anyone familiar with LibRockHook? |
| 21:31.23 | NeoTron | possibly excluding getting a phase 2 illidan fully handled |
| 21:35.28 | Stanzilla | hm dunno |
| 21:35.38 | Stanzilla | council was down on the 4th try |
| 21:35.49 | Stanzilla | mother on the 1st :p |
| 21:38.21 | Ellipsis | I downed your mother on the 1st |
| 21:39.27 | Megalon | she used the strapon, so it's more like she downed you |
| 21:40.00 | thul | hmm |
| 21:40.05 | thul | straponage when i come home |
| 21:40.06 | thul | wild. |
| 21:40.10 | thul | CHOCOLATE RAIN |
| 21:40.15 | Ellipsis | hot o.o |
| 21:41.23 | CIA-8 | 03xinhuan * r57857 10LibGraph-2.0/LibGraph-2.0/ (12 files): LibGraph-2.0: Add all the texture files and have all of them in the same folder as LibGraph-2.0.lua instead of separate folders. Modify some paths in the code. |
| 21:43.02 | yssaril | is there a similar event for PARTY_MEMBER_ENABLE and PARTY_MEMBER_DISABLE but for raid members? otherwise what is a good way to track this in a raid? |
| 21:43.18 | Xinhuan | don't even know what those 2 events does |
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| 21:43.23 | thul | chocolaterainstraponparty |
| 21:43.37 | yssaril | they fire when a party member goes on/off line |
| 21:43.50 | Xinhuan | not sure heh |
| 21:43.55 | KarlThePagan | Xinhuan, you're going to kill me... but using carto Routes for quests is really becoming attractive to me |
| 21:44.12 | KarlThePagan | so... I'll probably do it myself ;) |
| 21:44.17 | Xinhuan | karl, i could implement something in the future, but definitely not soon |
| 21:44.30 | Xinhuan | i want to push wowequip to version 1.0 |
| 21:44.34 | KarlThePagan | cool |
| 21:44.58 | [Liquidor] | yssaril, "As of 2.4, PARTY_MEMBER_ENABLE and PARTY_MEMBER_DISABLE no longer provide information about which party member was enabled or disabled." |
| 21:45.00 | Xinhuan | if anything, i would rather rework from scratch and make a version that doesn't require cartographer |
| 21:45.15 | KarlThePagan | hmm |
| 21:45.30 | yssaril | speaking of routes is there a way to have the waypoints stop just shy of their endpoints ( it can be heard to see if there is an actuall node at the location waiting for me to be mined) |
| 21:45.33 | KarlThePagan | does it actually require carto apart from the data sources? (notes) |
| 21:45.37 | [Liquidor] | yssaril, just register Roster_Update and see if it fires when one of your mates goes afk |
| 21:46.10 | Xinhuan | yssaril, in the _Routes options, there is a slider to change the "distance in yards" the waypoints jump to the next node |
| 21:46.16 | Xinhuan | its currently defaulted at 50 yards i think |
| 21:46.21 | Xinhuan | but you can lower it to 5 |
| 21:46.27 | Xinhuan | or increase it to 80 or something |
| 21:46.39 | yssaril | i dont mean the waypoint but the actuall line itself |
| 21:46.54 | KarlThePagan | I think carto quest objectives is a good data source, but I want to know if it's possible to consider some data... I should look at routes code |
| 21:46.58 | Xinhuan | not implemented |
| 21:47.01 | yssaril | have it stop at the outside edge of the nodeicon so it does not abscure it |
| 21:47.07 | Xinhuan | takes extra effort and maths to do that |
| 21:47.11 | Xinhuan | lol! |
| 21:47.29 | KarlThePagan | yssaril, transparency and width options! |
| 21:47.31 | Xinhuan | i would recommend you to lower the alpha of the line color |
| 21:47.32 | KarlThePagan | ;) |
| 21:47.33 | yssaril | lol i think that would be the easy part after doing the rest :) |
| 21:48.01 | Xinhuan | i've already tried to put the line below the blip |
| 21:48.02 | KarlThePagan | so Xinhuan I'm basically wonddering if your graph library has weighting capability |
| 21:48.05 | yssaril | thats what i have been doing just kinda ugly |
| 21:48.07 | Xinhuan | in fact the lines should always draw below the blip |
| 21:48.21 | Xinhuan | its not my graph library |
| 21:48.28 | Xinhuan | cryect is the author |
| 21:48.29 | Provus | How do I change this line of Lua code to include a black outline around the font? |
| 21:48.31 | Provus | tempText:SetFontObject("GameFontNormal"); |
| 21:48.41 | KarlThePagan | GraphLib eh? |
| 21:48.47 | yssaril | it draws below the cartnote but not below the actuall mine node thats what i want :P |
| 21:48.47 | chiper | Xinhuan: have you looked at gatherer to see how they're detecting blip presense? maybe you could just redraw the blip |
| 21:48.52 | Xinhuan | you have to play with the font flags |
| 21:48.57 | Xinhuan | chiper no |
| 21:48.59 | Xinhuan | no time |
| 21:49.38 | Fisker- | i am going to kill you Xinhuan |
| 21:49.39 | Provus | ..play with the font flags? huh? |
| 21:50.00 | Xinhuan | look at the fontstring:SetFont() command |
| 21:50.03 | Xinhuan | on wowwiki |
| 21:50.43 | Industrial | http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6633/wowscrnshot010308224920db3.jpg |
| 21:50.44 | Industrial | hawt |
| 21:50.49 | Gnarfoz | chiper: they do? |
| 21:50.55 | Industrial | (unitframes) |
| 21:51.24 | chiper | Gnarfoz: the hud mode does, yeah |
| 21:51.42 | Gnarfoz | what does that look like? |
| 21:51.44 | chiper | puts a blue mark on the hud if the node is active |
| 21:51.47 | Fisker- | Industrial ravencrest? |
| 21:52.03 | Provus | Do I need to replace this SetFontObject command? |
| 21:52.08 | Industrial | Fisker-: yes |
| 21:52.14 | Industrial | Fisker-: why |
| 21:52.23 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API <-- look under FontInstance |
| 21:52.35 | chiper | my guess (and this is just a random guess, dunno if it's even possible) is that they're scanning the minimap for blip frames |
| 21:52.41 | Xinhuan | you want to look at :GetFont() and :SetFont() as well as :SetFontObject() |
| 21:52.49 | Industrial | Fisker-: you paly there :D? |
| 21:52.56 | Fisker- | no i pally there |
| 21:52.57 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 21:52.58 | Xinhuan | chiper i think Cartographer_Notes does that |
| 21:53.08 | Xinhuan | but my point reminds, i drew the lines _below_ the blips |
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| 21:53.13 | Xinhuan | remains* |
| 21:53.18 | Industrial | what the where does it say ravencrest >:3 |
| 21:53.20 | Industrial | Fisker-: name? |
| 21:53.24 | Fisker- | Fiskerdin |
| 21:53.27 | Xinhuan | so if there is a node, the node is above the lines |
| 21:53.28 | Fisker- | not ally fag btw |
| 21:53.34 | Industrial | aw :< |
| 21:53.39 | Provus | I don't know anything about Lua coding, I'm just trying to mod an addon I downloaded, all I'm asking is do I use this command in leu of SetFontObject, or in addition to? |
| 21:53.43 | Industrial | me and haste and others rolled ally there :D |
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| 21:54.04 | Fisker- | i'm going to kill you all |
| 21:54.07 | Industrial | so we'll GANKBUS you soon we hope *cough* |
| 21:54.09 | Industrial | ha |
| 21:54.21 | KarlThePagan | ok Xinhuan one last question - where does the graph optimization take place? so I can check it out and see if it's possible for me to add weights to it |
| 21:54.29 | Provus | For instance, do I change tempText:SetFontObject("GameFontNormal"); to tempText:SetFont("GameFontNormal",11,"OUTLINE, MONOCHROME"); |
| 21:54.32 | Xinhuan | what are you talking about karl |
| 21:54.45 | KarlThePagan | route optimization - do you do that or graphlib? |
| 21:54.46 | Xinhuan | provus: yes |
| 21:54.57 | Xinhuan | i do route optimization myself |
| 21:54.59 | Provus | Ok. |
| 21:55.02 | Xinhuan | all graphlib does is draw lines |
| 21:55.24 | Xinhuan | the entire route optimization code is in TSP.lua |
| 21:55.32 | KarlThePagan | thx |
| 21:55.46 | Xinhuan | if you can understand it good, if not, i'm not going to explain anything :) |
| 21:55.58 | KarlThePagan | I still have my algorithms text ;) |
| 21:56.10 | Provus | Uh, hm. That change seems to have broken the addon. |
| 21:56.32 | Xinhuan | yeah setfont and setfontobject is different i guess |
| 21:56.35 | Provus | Does the outline work with the SetFontObject command? |
| 21:56.39 | Xinhuan | there is a lot of tweakable variables in TSP.lua |
| 21:56.47 | KarlThePagan | thanks man, I'll ping you if I come up with anything ;) |
| 21:56.58 | Xinhuan | but since _Routes passes in a parameters table with all those settings |
| 21:57.07 | Xinhuan | you would have to modify the defaults in _Routes |
| 21:57.21 | Xinhuan | these defaults are hidden from the end user |
| 21:57.38 | Xinhuan | originally intended to allow ppl to change them, but decided against it |
| 21:58.20 | KarlThePagan | yea, if this is going to work for quest objectives I'm going to need to do special hooks for route manipulation |
| 21:59.00 | Xinhuan | no, won't work that way lol |
| 21:59.20 | Provus | tempText:SetFontObject("GameFontNormal","OUTLINE, MONOCHROME"); <- This seems to work, how do I make the outline thicker? |
| 21:59.22 | Xinhuan | i will bet the quest database is stored in a manner that _Route cannot read |
| 21:59.40 | Xinhuan | or rather, not programmed to read |
| 21:59.41 | Provus | Ohwait |
| 21:59.44 | Provus | THICKOUTLINE |
| 21:59.45 | Provus | ok |
| 22:00.11 | KarlThePagan | I'll let you know if I see a solution ;) |
| 22:00.28 | Xinhuan | adding _Treasure support was a bit painful since the _Treasure database has a different storage format from the other databases |
| 22:00.37 | Provus | Crap, I think the outline is my imagination |
| 22:00.45 | Provus | The font shadow |
| 22:06.39 | thul | ah, good supper! |
| 22:06.42 | thul | i lov making food :-D |
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| 22:14.17 | Xinhuan | dammit josh, your toc used / instead of \ for the path :D |
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| 22:16.44 | Josh_Borke | i use linux, sorry |
| 22:16.52 | Josh_Borke | can't help it if windows people are backwards |
| 22:17.13 | Xinhuan | gotta fix up some things |
| 22:17.18 | Xinhuan | AceLibrary:Register(lib, major, minor) |
| 22:17.20 | Xinhuan | hehehe |
| 22:17.27 | Josh_Borke | *sigh* |
| 22:17.30 | Josh_Borke | ok, i'll fix that real quick |
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| 22:18.15 | Xinhuan | nah |
| 22:18.16 | Xinhuan | i'll fix it |
| 22:18.33 | Xinhuan | actually |
| 22:18.37 | Xinhuan | does it need fixing |
| 22:20.33 | bigzero | <dabujo> Xinhuan: You coded ForeverAFK as small as possible yesterday. Now, is there a good reason not to do it some way like this: http://pastey.net/79973-r72n ? <-- string concatenation would add extra cpu cycles though, so you're saving code space but adding more cpu work |
| 22:21.09 | bigzero | not that any of that matters anyway though |
| 22:22.05 | Xinhuan | Josh_Borke, the fix is simply just removing the line right? |
| 22:22.23 | potemkin | how does UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED event work anyone know |
| 22:22.50 | Xinhuan | if i understand correctly, calling LibStub:NewLibrary() already registers it |
| 22:23.17 | dabujo_ | bigzero: thats why i added a commented line below that doesn't have that |
| 22:24.01 | bigzero | dabujo_ ahh...who reads comments...sheesh |
| 22:25.10 | bigzero | i'm thinking of filtering IDLE_MESSAGE out of the chat window, so I think i'll have to have the if else anyway |
| 22:25.29 | bigzero | to put the message back in when it's disabled |
| 22:26.02 | bigzero | actualy nvm, I won't have to |
| 22:28.13 | Shadowed | Xinhuan: GraphLib has no tag |
| 22:28.16 | Shadowed | how stable is trunk |
| 22:28.25 | Xinhuan | not stable |
| 22:28.34 | Xinhuan | i mean libgraph2-0 is not stable |
| 22:28.40 | Xinhuan | use graph-1.0 |
| 22:28.43 | Xinhuan | that one is stable |
| 22:29.06 | Xinhuan | at the bottom of graph-1.0.lua, there are some test functions to show you how to generate some simple graphs |
| 22:29.09 | Xinhuan | you can run them |
| 22:29.59 | Chompers | less rape more hug |
| 22:30.07 | Chompers | or combine them into one |
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| 22:31.32 | Xinhuan | the test functions show how to do a scatter, line, realtime and pie graph |
| 22:31.40 | Xinhuan | the realtime one is probably what you would use |
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| 22:36.24 | Fisker- | http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/2007/12/27/add_more_storage_space_to_your_asus_eee_pc/4 <-eeeh |
| 22:36.36 | CIA-8 | 03xinhuan * r57858 10LibGraph-2.0/ (. LibGraph-2.0/LibGraph-2.0.lua LibGraph-2.0.toc): LibGraph-2.0: Fix internal paths, update test functions, remove AceLibrary calls, fix TOC, set tsvn:logtemplate. |
| 22:36.43 | Fisker- | They're essentially telling us to boost the storage by soldering a USB-pen to a USB-slot |
| 22:36.45 | Fisker- | HOW CLEVER |
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| 22:37.01 | Fisker- | Do they know there's these metal thingies sticking out of their usb sticks? |
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| 22:37.05 | Fisker- | They are called connectors |
| 22:37.17 | Fisker- | Any reason i should void my warranty for something that can be plugged in just as well? |
| 22:39.20 | FtH|Daemona | thats secksi Fisker- |
| 22:39.25 | Xinhuan | i think LibGraph-2.0 should be usable now Shadowed, its almost identical to 1.0 apart from the ace2 dependency -> libstub |
| 22:39.31 | Gnarfoz | if it's plugged in, it can break off, damaging your usb slot |
| 22:39.44 | FtH|Daemona | you can forget it |
| 22:39.51 | Shadowed | well |
| 22:39.55 | Fisker- | hey Gnarfoz |
| 22:39.58 | Fisker- | if i suck your cock |
| 22:40.00 | Fisker- | it might snap off |
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| 22:40.06 | Shadowed | "should be usable" isn't exactly what I'd like to hear given it's going into OH =p |
| 22:40.07 | Fisker- | damaging your cockslot |
| 22:40.32 | Gnarfoz | does having a cockslot mean I can get a replacement cock? |
| 22:41.07 | Gnarfoz | the humonguous size of the damn thing is more trouble than it's worth! |
| 22:41.12 | FtH|Daemona | http://images.bayimg.com/iaiiaaabl.jpg |
| 22:41.23 | chiper | the mod isnt soldering the stick in, it's adding a USB connector inside the computer |
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| 22:41.35 | Fisker- | i know |
| 22:41.38 | chiper | the chip does use the standard plug |
| 22:41.40 | Fisker- | which is fucking retarded |
| 22:41.55 | chiper | but it's inside the computer, where it wont stick out and get damaged |
| 22:42.00 | Fisker- | !11 |
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| 22:42.17 | Herio | OKAY |
| 22:42.18 | Herio | SO |
| 22:42.26 | Fisker- | You could just buy an USB extension cord and tape it together with the pc |
| 22:42.36 | Fisker- | infact you could probably just drill a hole for that |
| 22:42.37 | chiper | you might as well ask "why install internal wireless when I can just plug into the PCMCIA slot" |
| 22:42.38 | dabujo_ | Shadowed: Afaik, you said, you won't add timer-bars to SSPvP2. But you are developping an Ace3-Candybar. Is there a chance this may find its way into SSPvP? |
| 22:42.42 | Fisker- | and you could still have it internally |
| 22:42.46 | CIA-8 | 03xinhuan * r57859 10LibGraph-2.0/ (LibGraph-2.0/LibGraph-2.0.lua LibGraph-2.0.toc): LibGraph-2.0: Remove stray debug message, revert to LoD status, add ## X-Category: Library |
| 22:42.49 | Shadowed | No, and not anymore |
| 22:42.54 | Shadowed | and no, not Ace3 LibStub |
| 22:42.57 | chiper | fikser: but then it would still be sticking out |
| 22:43.02 | dabujo_ | ah ok |
| 22:43.04 | Shadowed | didn't need it, so not focusing on working on it anymore |
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| 22:43.41 | dabujo_ | :( I like the way capping does the timers |
| 22:43.52 | NeoTron | I should level my shammy alt sometimes |
| 22:43.56 | Xinhuan | there, i'll do upgrade paths another day |
| 22:44.03 | Xinhuan | but it should be usable |
| 22:44.07 | chiper | Fisker-: the challenge of putting it inside is what makes it fun. |
| 22:44.20 | chiper | modding is a hobby |
| 22:44.32 | Fisker- | Then replace the flash chip instead |
| 22:44.46 | chiper | that's a MUCH more difficult mod |
| 22:44.50 | KarlThePagan | Xinhuan, want to hear what changes to TSP would be needed? |
| 22:44.52 | Fisker- | so what? |
| 22:44.53 | Fisker- | It's a hobby |
| 22:45.03 | Xinhuan | if you want to KarlThePagan |
| 22:45.04 | chiper | with a requirement of electrical engineering skill |
| 22:45.16 | Xinhuan | mainly, it would just be taking out the library calls to make the caller pass it in instead |
| 22:45.34 | chiper | meh, you're trolling now, I'm done with this thread |
| 22:45.35 | harldephin | d'uh? what's with wunderground.com showing my local time to be something like 11:45 pm. that's just wrong. |
| 22:45.49 | Fisker- | no i'm not chiper |
| 22:46.02 | Fisker- | There's no point in soldering a usb-pen to the usb-port internally |
| 22:46.08 | Xinhuan | it was written specifically for _Routes, rather than being general purpose, so i didn't bother too much with trying to make it standalone |
| 22:46.13 | Fisker- | it doesn't even correctly solve the problem |
| 22:47.17 | KarlThePagan | Xinhuan, yea it won't be big, but it's focused on an asymmetric problem (i.e. node[u] != node[v]) - where the difference between the cost of travel to/from different nodes is proportional to their relative value |
| 22:47.37 | KarlThePagan | for example, 10 objectives completed in a specific location vs 1 completed at another |
| 22:47.55 | Xinhuan | correct, you can see in the code that weight[u][v] = weight[v][u], it assigns both at the same time |
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| 22:48.24 | Xinhuan | and does a triangular loop that only calculates half the table and assign the other half at the same time |
| 22:48.33 | KarlThePagan | yup, that's the primary change, the secondary would be a parameter element that the objectives module would provide for calculating the relative weights |
| 22:48.54 | Fisker- | http://www.digitaltechnews.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/23/vx_nano_logitech.jpg <-The least they could've done is to design a usb-stick like that, and then connect it using that method instead |
| 22:49.08 | KarlThePagan | I've got dayjob stuff, but just wanted to toss that at you and see if any alarms rang |
| 22:49.14 | Fisker- | would be nicer, warranty might not be void but still totally besides the point |
| 22:49.20 | Xinhuan | that is why in order to make routes work on azeroth, i would need to be supplied with a heightmap and weightmap of every square yard |
| 22:49.45 | Xinhuan | then i would use A* algorithm between every node to determine the weight rather than a straight pythogoras calculation |
| 22:50.08 | CIA-8 | 03ixchael * r57860 10Historian/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:50.08 | CIA-8 | Historian: |
| 22:50.08 | CIA-8 | - Fixed quest rewards not being counted as loot. |
| 22:50.08 | CIA-8 | - Greatly improved the detection of area discoveries. |
| 22:50.08 | CIA-8 | - Added tracking of successful spell casts. |
| 22:50.08 | CIA-8 | - Favorite spell and total number of spell casts are now displayed in the Habits section. |
| 22:50.09 | KarlThePagan | yea, and height data isn't exactly available in game :/ |
| 22:50.27 | Xinhuan | yep, and i'm definitely not going to try to map any zone's height/weight lol |
| 22:50.40 | Xinhuan | weight would be "a passability value" such as water would be 0.6 |
| 22:50.41 | KarlThePagan | still IMO there are few zones where this is a serious issue |
| 22:51.07 | KarlThePagan | could be accomplished, but lots of work |
| 22:51.18 | Xinhuan | i don't have the time for it ;p |
| 22:51.22 | KarlThePagan | yea... |
| 22:51.43 | Xinhuan | that code was complex enough to write |
| 22:51.43 | Elsia | one could collect a reachability map (though flat) from where people walk, convex hull and have a decent flat approximation |
| 22:51.53 | Xinhuan | then optimizing it by adding 20 extra locals |
| 22:51.54 | KarlThePagan | one possibility which would eat up a lot of data would be to make a heatmap of every zone tracking your rate / possibility of travel |
| 22:52.07 | KarlThePagan | err eat up a lot of ram |
| 22:52.17 | KarlThePagan | and have very slow learning |
| 22:52.30 | Xinhuan | you'll be crazy to do something like that |
| 22:52.44 | KarlThePagan | i'm kinda crazy honestly |
| 22:52.44 | Xinhuan | its possible, just totally unfeasible |
| 22:52.52 | KarlThePagan | but not that dedicated ;) |
| 22:53.00 | KarlThePagan | bbl... meeting |
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| 22:55.55 | Ixchael | What's the easiest way to create a real graphical UI to contain a bunch of data grouped into tabs? Does anyone have a suggestion on where to start? |
| 22:57.15 | Ixchael | I think my addon is starting to outgrow the FuBar plugin approach :) |
| 22:57.43 | Xinhuan | you make lots of buttons and fontstrings |
| 22:57.47 | Xinhuan | well either or |
| 22:58.08 | Xinhuan | do a tree-like approach |
| 22:59.10 | Ixchael | I know how I would do it as a Winform :) Just looking for something to shortcut writing all that frame XML on my own |
| 22:59.57 | Ixchael | Or something else similar to what the FubarPlugin lib provided, only with frames |
| 23:00.47 | Ixchael | You know what I mean? |
| 23:01.05 | osstia | Does Rock provide what you are looking for? |
| 23:01.17 | osstia | I know Kivin is a big fan of it |
| 23:01.35 | Xinhuan | doubt it |
| 23:01.41 | Xinhuan | better start designing your own UI lol |
| 23:01.47 | Fisker- | hai |
| 23:01.48 | Ixchael | hehe |
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| 23:05.34 | Ixchael | hmm I wonder what happened to AceGUI. Seems like what I am looking for, but it was dropped a while ago. |
| 23:06.15 | Stanzilla | AceGUI-3.0? :P |
| 23:06.59 | osstia | wow |
| 23:07.06 | osstia | I just got a 403 from www.google.com |
| 23:07.08 | osstia | thats odd |
| 23:09.47 | CIA-8 | 03simlan * r57861 10GetDKP_AutoPost/ (4 files): |
| 23:09.47 | CIA-8 | GetDKP_AutoPost: |
| 23:09.47 | CIA-8 | - Button to manually clear checked players |
| 23:09.47 | CIA-8 | - Checked players are cleard on loot assignment |
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| 23:18.57 | Kivin | "Just looking for something to shortcut writing all that frame XML on my own" "Does Rock provide what you are looking for?" |
| 23:18.58 | Kivin | No |
| 23:19.05 | Kivin | Your best bet would be AceGUI in Ace3 |
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| 23:20.38 | Xinhuan | i think he wants something to show data in tables |
| 23:20.50 | Xinhuan | there is no such library as far as i know |
| 23:20.59 | Kivin | What do you mean, show data? |
| 23:21.08 | Kivin | Echo out the contents as text? |
| 23:21.11 | Xinhuan | show, as in, display |
| 23:21.18 | Ixchael | Doesn't have to be in a data table, no |
| 23:21.32 | Kivin | "display" doesn't help... display *how*? |
| 23:21.57 | Ixchael | I just want to create a frame with a bunch of text data in it, grouped into tabs |
| 23:22.27 | Ixchael | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Historian |
| 23:22.28 | Kivin | if it's just config data, RockConfig might serve that purpose. Otherwise, I think you're SOL. |
| 23:22.34 | Ixchael | That's the current implementation (see screenshot) |
| 23:22.41 | Ixchael | It's a Fubar plugin |
| 23:22.58 | Ixchael | But it's getting way big, so I am looking into creating a whole frame for it |
| 23:22.58 | Xinhuan | i think you better start designing :) |
| 23:23.02 | Arrowmaster | waterfall could too |
| 23:23.19 | Xinhuan | waterfall isn't any different from rockconfig |
| 23:24.00 | Ixchael | It's not configuration data I want to use it for - it's mainly statistics |
| 23:24.12 | Xinhuan | like i said, start designing loL! |
| 23:24.18 | Kivin | how does wowequip do it? |
| 23:24.27 | Ixchael | hehe that's what I was afraid of, Xinhuan |
| 23:24.37 | Xinhuan | i simply have a scrollframe - with 2 fontstrings |
| 23:24.47 | Xinhuan | one fontstring is leftaligned, and anchored to the topleft |
| 23:24.55 | Xinhuan | the other is right-aligned and anchored to the topright |
| 23:24.59 | Kivin | yep |
| 23:25.08 | Xinhuan | i "sync" them by making sure both sides have an equal amount of "\n" |
| 23:25.21 | Xinhuan | so it looks like a tablet, but its nto |
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| 23:25.25 | Kivin | Wouldn't be very challenging to turn that into a lib |
| 23:25.26 | Ixchael | do you re-use those for each line then? |
| 23:25.38 | Kivin | Each line is the same fontstirng |
| 23:25.46 | Xinhuan | its just 2 huge concantenanted fontstring |
| 23:25.46 | Kivin | s/irng/ring |
| 23:25.50 | Xinhuan | there are ONLY 2 fontstrings |
| 23:26.11 | Ixchael | I see |
| 23:26.23 | Xinhuan | the left one could be "data1\ndata2\n" and the right one is "123\n456\n" |
| 23:26.29 | Xinhuan | so it would look like data1 == 123 |
| 23:26.33 | Xinhuan | and data2 == 456 |
| 23:26.53 | Xinhuan | tablet does it the same way |
| 23:26.54 | Ixchael | Yeah, that would work |
| 23:27.35 | Ixchael | Then it's just the tabs that I need to figure out, but I'm sure I can find an example of that |
| 23:27.41 | Xinhuan | of course, i kinda added more fontstrings in there, with some buttons |
| 23:28.02 | Xinhuan | but a scrollframe is just that, auto resizes itself, so i dont' have to worry about it |
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| 23:28.24 | Xinhuan | i should probably remove the redundant :UpdateScrollRect() call that blizz added in 2.2 |
| 23:28.35 | Ixchael | hehe |
| 23:28.47 | Ixchael | Alright, I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the pointers! |
| 23:29.12 | Ixchael | Where can I find information about Ace3, by the way? |
| 23:29.20 | Xinhuan | nowhere |
| 23:29.30 | Xinhuan | all the information is mostly in the source lua itself |
| 23:29.32 | Kivin | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Ace3 |
| 23:29.35 | Xinhuan | commented |
| 23:29.35 | Stanzilla | in the files and on the wiki |
| 23:29.58 | Ixchael | Ahh I should've guessed that URL hehe |
| 23:30.01 | Ixchael | Thanks :) |
| 23:30.22 | [Liquidor] | [Kaktuz-] Is there any way to make it record trinket procs that doesent deal dmg? like tsunami talisman |
| 23:30.30 | [Liquidor] | Oh |
| 23:30.39 | [Liquidor] | He's asking about Recount |
| 23:33.39 | Kivin | So I'm trying to figure out the best way to evaluate the number of "offenses" (Based on hard-coded filter patterns) a person commits using multi-line /say or /emote macros |
| 23:33.56 | CIA-8 | 03kneeki * r57862 10EasyPet/ (5 files): |
| 23:33.56 | CIA-8 | EasyPet: |
| 23:33.56 | CIA-8 | - Updated addon category, added debug text (so you know when the addon is being restricted by the WoW UI), added localized options (convert to your language). |
| 23:34.26 | CIA-8 | 03alar * r57863 10AlarLib/ (AlarLib-2.0/AlarLib-2.0.lua AlarLib.toc): |
| 23:34.26 | CIA-8 | AlarLib |
| 23:34.26 | CIA-8 | Coroutine management improved |
| 23:34.34 | Kivin | hurray for alarLib |
| 23:35.19 | CIA-8 | 03alar * r57864 10AlarBGHelper/ (AlarBGHelper.lua AlarBGHelper.toc AlarBGHelperFubar.lua): |
| 23:35.19 | CIA-8 | AlarBGHelper |
| 23:35.19 | CIA-8 | 3.2.1 |
| 23:35.19 | CIA-8 | Fixed: Battlegroup scan sometimes stopped to work |
| 23:36.20 | Shadowed | ALL BOW TO THE ALMIGHTY ALARLIB |
| 23:36.47 | Kivin | Hookin' your WoW APIs since 1999 |
| 23:37.06 | Shadowed | oh does he hook APIs too? |
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| 23:37.26 | Kivin | I dunno, I've never read the code. I've been led to believe it hooks everything known to man. |
| 23:37.34 | Shadowed | wouldn't surprise me |
| 23:37.40 | Kivin | It's basically a warm, fuzzy wrapper for the whole game client |
| 23:37.46 | Shadowed | Xinhuan: Were you thinking anything specific for OptionHouse, or just a fancy memory/CPU graph you can go "oooo pretty" |
| 23:38.39 | Xinhuan | was thinking more along the lines of "when some event occurs which addons and libraries spike in usage" |
| 23:38.47 | Xinhuan | you can see that easily at a glance with graphs |
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| 23:38.58 | Shadowed | hum |
| 23:39.02 | Xinhuan | because each addon would have a graph |
| 23:39.38 | osstia | Kivin: offenses? |
| 23:39.47 | osstia | you trying to make a rude-o-meter? |
| 23:39.59 | Shadowed | eh? |
| 23:40.22 | Shadowed | Xinhuan: It probably won't show you when the event specifically occur. And just track memory/CPU per addon and graph it on |
| 23:40.46 | Xinhuan | yep, but the general idea is there |
| 23:40.58 | Kivin | osstia: Just an exceedingly simple spam filter for gold and h4x adds |
| 23:41.10 | Xinhuan | you could zone into AV and see which addons are processing the most in the first 10 seconds of zoning in |
| 23:41.13 | Shadowed | Events would be a fancy thing to add, I wonder if I can do it in a way someone could add that. |
| 23:41.29 | Xinhuan | and narrow down issues |
| 23:44.54 | Neebler | http://www.livevideo.com/video/268DD5773C194E53A257287F975F7055/windows-start-up-sound-prank-.aspx |
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| 23:47.07 | Shadowed | actually |
| 23:47.11 | Shadowed | this shouldn't be that hard |
| 23:47.18 | Shadowed | given we already monitor stuff per second |
| 23:49.24 | FtH|Daemona | THATS UNFAIR |
| 23:49.34 | FtH|Daemona | Kazzak got a 3 minute berserk :( |
| 23:50.09 | FtH|Daemona | so much for our 4 shadowpriests 1 paladin 1 warrior kill ... |
| 23:50.39 | Shadowed | Well duh? |
| 23:51.12 | Shadowed | Kazzaks always been a super dps zerg with berserk |
| 23:51.23 | FtH|Daemona | yeah but 3 minute timer ? :() |
| 23:51.42 | Shadowed | [50:53] <Shadowed> Kazzaks always been a super dps zerg with berserk |
| 23:52.48 | Shadowed | Kazzaks always been a DPS race even pre-tbc |
| 23:52.51 | vithos | i thought it was a 55 second timer |
| 23:53.04 | FtH|Daemona | no thats the shadowbolt enrage ;) |
| 23:53.06 | vithos | or is that two different things |
| 23:53.25 | Shadowed | "dps race" |
| 23:53.30 | Shadowed | not "berzerk race" |
| 23:53.31 | Xinhuan | there are 2 different kazzak's ;p |
| 23:53.39 | Xinhuan | the old one got renamed |
| 23:53.42 | Xinhuan | to Kruul |
| 23:53.49 | deltron | kazzak was fun |
| 23:53.57 | deltron | I never did him after tbc came out |
| 23:54.50 | Aens|Superiority | they really needed to give kazzak and doomwalker some really good really unique loot |
| 23:54.55 | Aens|Superiority | instead of karazhan sidegrades |
| 23:55.11 | Shadowed | you're forgetting the point in time those were released |
| 23:55.23 | Xinhuan | ^ |
| 23:55.28 | Aens|Superiority | the point in time they were released, ssc and mag were in the game. |
| 23:55.40 | Shadowed | not really |
| 23:55.42 | Xinhuan | they are designed to be 25-man outdoor bosses |
| 23:55.47 | Xinhuan | but 40 ppl could zerg them easily |
| 23:55.53 | Xinhuan | so the loot can't be too good |
| 23:56.02 | Shadowed | Nobody was really close to SSC or Mag right into TBC launch |
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| 23:56.32 | Shadowed | Unless you're Hardcore Guild #413 who pushes everyone through Kara in the first week and you clear all 25 man content a month after getting 25 people to 70 |
| 23:56.53 | Shadowed | They had some pretty decent pieces for freshly leveled 70s who mostly had level 60 epics/leveling blues/greens |
| 23:57.06 | Shadowed | Same with Kazzak and Azuregos when they were first released |
| 23:57.22 | thul | http://elitistjerks.com/attachments/f15/a1560d1196088602-development_cycle/shadowbear.jpg |
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