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| 00:07.46 | CIA-8 | VisualHeal: |
| 00:07.46 | CIA-8 | - Reorganize the configuration |
| 00:12.49 | vhaarr | Anyone care to commit a one-line change to ClosetGnome for me? |
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| 00:15.18 | vhaarr | actually, I can do it |
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| 00:16.04 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 00:16.06 | cncfanatics | I died in a fire, omg |
| 00:16.08 | cncfanatics | shame on me |
| 00:16.15 | CIA-8 | 03rabbit * r57574 10ClosetGnome/locales/frFR.lua: ClosetGnome: frFR bugfix. |
| 00:16.19 | Stanzilla | reminds me of archimonde :p |
| 00:16.45 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 00:18.43 | Tuller | moooooo |
| 00:19.36 | vhaarr | ~moo |
| 00:19.37 | purl | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
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| 00:21.49 | Stanzilla | http://gfx.nihilum.wazap.com/albums/44679/1771/6201.jpg <- lol |
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| 00:27.24 | NeoTron | hrm. one of our guild members just posted that he thinks he has the plague, and that he'll die (posting from the ER). hmm |
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| 00:27.43 | Shirik | uh |
| 00:27.59 | NeoTron | Stanzilla: I agree fully with the comment from the BE pally.. |
| 00:28.02 | NeoTron | Shirik: yeah |
| 00:28.08 | NeoTron | not sure what to think |
| 00:28.09 | Shirik | did you remind him that the plague was 500 years ago? |
| 00:28.27 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
| 00:28.32 | Shirik | tell him that he'll probably become a really cool science experiment |
| 00:28.37 | Shirik | due to the longevity of the virus |
| 00:28.52 | NeoTron | well the plague, the gold old classic plague, is easy to cure with penicillin or similar |
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| 00:28.55 | NeoTron | so I doubt that's it |
| 00:29.15 | NeoTron | wasn't it a bacterial infection? |
| 00:29.19 | Shirik | I don't know |
| 00:29.23 | Shirik | I'm a computer engineer |
| 00:29.25 | Shirik | my dad was the biochemist |
| 00:29.32 | Fin | ask your dad then |
| 00:29.40 | Gngsk | isn't there a new strain of plague? |
| 00:29.46 | NeoTron | "caused by a bacterium named Yersinia pestis" |
| 00:29.49 | Shirik | Fin is correct |
| 00:29.52 | Shirik | it was a bacterium |
| 00:29.59 | Shirik | I forgot he's in the room next to me >< |
| 00:30.34 | Shirik | is there a new plague? |
| 00:30.36 | Shirik | I wouldn't know |
| 00:30.38 | Fin | ITYM someone other than I am correct |
| 00:31.08 | Fin | having tab trouble again? |
| 00:31.08 | Shirik | I barely even know what the sun is |
| 00:31.08 | Shirik | bye everyone |
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| 00:37.36 | Tuller | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10587.0 |
| 00:38.08 | Shirik | Tuller! I was looking for you yesterday. |
| 00:38.14 | Tuller | hrm? |
| 00:38.24 | Shirik | Someone was asking about omnicc for pitbull |
| 00:38.34 | Tuller | it should work :P |
| 00:38.38 | Shirik | yeah that's what I thought |
| 00:38.46 | Shirik | but he and someone else said that it wasn't working |
| 00:38.47 | Tuller | since omnicc hooks SetCooldown |
| 00:38.50 | Shirik | so I was kinda curious as to why |
| 00:39.03 | Shirik | so I figured pitbull must be doing something strange |
| 00:39.06 | Tuller | well, the only reason it shouldn't work is if the icon is too small |
| 00:39.12 | Shirik | ah |
| 00:39.25 | Tuller | to correct that you just adjust the min scale option |
| 00:39.32 | Shirik | Well I don't know, I don't use pitbull but if I see it come up again I'll mention that |
| 00:39.38 | Shirik | thanks |
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| 00:54.55 | aestil | http://ace.pastey.net/79668 |
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| 00:59.40 | mort | i hate wsg :( |
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| 01:01.48 | mort | barkskin! :P |
| 01:02.12 | kaiden | Anyone here use FlexBar2 much? |
| 01:02.28 | Fin | I believe cncfanatic is quite a fan |
| 01:02.30 | kaiden | trying to figure out if through any of the nifty /commands you can have it hide buttons until you mouseover them |
| 01:02.42 | kaiden | Fin, that may actually matter if cnc was on :P |
| 01:02.46 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel 07Beta * r57575 10Ace3/Ace3.lua: Ace3 - potential fix for the /ace3 command being able to be used more then once |
| 01:02.47 | kaiden | but he's not so i can't ask him hehe |
| 01:03.12 | Fin | bah! foiled again |
| 01:06.29 | Fin | what actually is cnc, anyway? |
| 01:06.36 | Fin | and why is he a fanatic about it? |
| 01:06.48 | Fin | it's not something to do with sex, is it? |
| 01:07.08 | NeoTron | Cadet Nurse Corps! |
| 01:07.21 | Fin | Canadian Netball Championships? |
| 01:07.31 | NeoTron | or maybe Command and Control |
| 01:07.42 | NeoTron | Chattahoochee Nature Center, an environmental education facility in Roswell, Georgia |
| 01:07.42 | Fin | Command and Conquer! of course |
| 01:07.43 | Fin | thanks |
| 01:07.45 | Fin | duh me |
| 01:08.34 | Fin | quite different from the commonly misidentified Chattahoochee Naturists Center, an environment education facility in Roswell, Georgia, for Naturists |
| 01:09.00 | thul | hmm |
| 01:18.00 | kaiden | Fin, and yes it's command and conquer :P |
| 01:18.14 | Kivin | boo |
| 01:18.19 | Kivin | I was rootin' for the Chattahoochee Naturists Center |
| 01:18.48 | Fin | you can still root for them mate, I'm sure they appreciate the support! |
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| 01:19.15 | aestil | buu: you there? |
| 01:19.44 | buu | aestil: Maybe. |
| 01:20.39 | aestil | tell velectro to stop killing my alt. |
| 01:21.33 | thul | server+ :-P |
| 01:21.57 | aestil | seriously, go do something useful instead of ganking people in STV. :rollseyes: |
| 01:23.00 | NeoTron | aestil: l2pve? :) |
| 01:23.16 | NeoTron | I enjoy people complaining about being ganked on pvp servers - I mean what did you expect? |
| 01:23.40 | aestil | cause 37 vs 60+ is 'PvP' |
| 01:23.58 | NeoTron | it is not fair but it is expected |
| 01:24.04 | nevcairiel | meh 70ish chars ganking low level just because they're bored is not really the spirit of anything. |
| 01:24.09 | aestil | except i happen to know buu is in this guys guild. |
| 01:24.27 | NeoTron | which is fine |
| 01:24.43 | NeoTron | just saying being ganked (sometimes a lot) is part of pvp servers |
| 01:24.46 | NeoTron | and why I avoid them |
| 01:24.46 | thul | NeoTron: idiot |
| 01:24.48 | thul | seriously |
| 01:24.48 | thul | idiot |
| 01:24.54 | thul | 1) pvp = player versus player |
| 01:25.05 | thul | what the fuck is so "versus" about lvl 70 idiots running around ganking lvl 30-40 in stv? |
| 01:25.07 | NeoTron | pvp = HvL = high vs low ganking |
| 01:25.08 | thul | nothing |
| 01:25.12 | NeoTron | it's how pvp servers work |
| 01:25.15 | NeoTron | deal or move on |
| 01:25.17 | NeoTron | I moved on |
| 01:25.20 | thul | stfu |
| 01:25.21 | thul | or think |
| 01:25.27 | thul | mkey? |
| 01:25.32 | NeoTron | lol |
| 01:25.35 | aestil | uh, yeah, i don't care about all that. buu you there? |
| 01:25.35 | NeoTron | sore spot there? |
| 01:25.46 | thul | "hey, there is something wrong here, but you can't complain about it, beacuse i don't want to" |
| 01:25.49 | thul | no |
| 01:25.51 | thul | i dislike stupid people. |
| 01:25.52 | thul | you are obviously stupid |
| 01:25.52 | NeoTron | show me a pvp server where low level ganking isn't the norm |
| 01:25.55 | thul | so I dislike you. |
| 01:25.57 | thul | NeoTron: balnazzar |
| 01:26.00 | thul | there you go |
| 01:26.52 | aestil | whats the sample for touch the sky? |
| 01:26.54 | NeoTron | sure it's all nice and fluffy there |
| 01:26.56 | Tinyboom | lol, is it just me that has a seriously bugged auctionprofit? :p it says i have made 4,7K gold from 7 auctions....If only i was that lucky.... |
| 01:27.05 | thul | NeoTron: you asked, I answered. |
| 01:27.12 | thul | your comeback? |
| 01:27.14 | thul | futile. |
| 01:27.31 | Klazar | Will Epeen publish pvp kills to guild chat as the happen? |
| 01:27.43 | NeoTron | you seem to need anger management |
| 01:27.44 | Klazar | s/the/they |
| 01:27.51 | thul | NeoTron: I'm in no way angry |
| 01:27.54 | thul | very far from it tbh. |
| 01:27.56 | thul | but you are stupid |
| 01:28.01 | NeoTron | no I am not, in fact |
| 01:28.04 | thul | I deal with stupidity |
| 01:28.06 | thul | yes, you are. |
| 01:28.10 | thul | deal with it and move on |
| 01:28.14 | thul | that seems to be your mantra. |
| 01:28.26 | NeoTron | who the hell doesn't know playing in a pvp server means, at least, occasional ganking by high level characters? |
| 01:28.53 | NeoTron | and yes you have to deal with it - what else can you possibly do? |
| 01:29.28 | Tuller | darktide! |
| 01:29.28 | thul | 1) you have servers like balnazzar where you don't have planned lvl 70 raids to stv or similar areas |
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| 01:29.53 | thul | 2) you have servers like ravencrest, where you have 5-10 lvl 70s, that spend 60-120 minutes daily ganking every opposing faction member they see |
| 01:30.00 | thul | is that second part something good? |
| 01:30.01 | thul | rational? |
| 01:30.05 | thul | constructive in any way? |
| 01:30.06 | thul | ofcourse not |
| 01:30.19 | thul | should I condone it and say "that is how it is, so i won't complain"? |
| 01:30.21 | thul | ofcourse not |
| 01:30.24 | NeoTron | 1) who's talking about "planned lvl 70 raids"? I'm talking about an individual or two going on low level ganking. like when I was playing my hunter and a couple of ppl held up the horde base there for an hour. just had to quit and play another character |
| 01:30.31 | sylvanaar_work | did i join #qq ? |
| 01:30.55 | NeoTron | 2) I never said it was good. It is however to be expected. if you can avoid it grats but if it happens deal and move on |
| 01:31.00 | thul | NeoTron: maybe you should try to specify "well, I didn't mean anything that you actually can argue against, I'm just stating very narrow idiocies here" |
| 01:31.08 | thul | that makes it much easier for me you see. |
| 01:31.33 | NeoTron | in this case a sole player was gankign another player |
| 01:31.42 | NeoTron | it was no planned l70 raid |
| 01:31.58 | NeoTron | it's a single bored high level character, which typically makes up most ganking I'd say |
| 01:32.11 | thul | well, go to ravencrest then |
| 01:32.23 | NeoTron | planned raids are more fun sicne the opposite side can launch a counter attack and, lo and behold, do some world pvp |
| 01:32.39 | Neebler | when added, avocado instantly makes any sandwich 10 times better |
| 01:32.58 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel 07Ace3 * r57576 10Mapster/Coords.lua: Mapster: Coords: do some cleanup and make the code more solid so it doesnt break if two map mods run |
| 01:33.10 | Tinyboom | what i don't get is how they get pleasure from ganking lowbies.... their irl must suck quite bad... or they have self esteem issues... any rational person would not be bothered... |
| 01:33.13 | NeoTron | did you miss the part where I said I don't play on pvp servers anymore because I don't like the ganking aspect that comes with it? Because I don't find it entertaining to waste time to pvp when I'm trying to leve/gather crap/farm |
| 01:33.24 | thul | NeoTron: right, especially when noone on the opposing faction knows about said raid |
| 01:33.33 | thul | and those raiding leave if any opposing 70s come. |
| 01:33.36 | NeoTron | Tinyboom: I find that being ganked as a lowbie makes it fun to gank as a high level character |
| 01:33.40 | NeoTron | payback really |
| 01:33.48 | thul | NeoTron: so.. if someone picked at you when you were in school... |
| 01:33.56 | thul | you would pick on younger students later? |
| 01:34.02 | NeoTron | thul: I doubt everyone is raiding at all times and of coruse it takes time to mount a defense |
| 01:34.05 | thul | why are there so many psycopaths in wow :-( |
| 01:34.23 | thul | NeoTron: exactly, so.. what you get is 5-10 lvl 70s that assrape single lvl 30-40s |
| 01:34.26 | NeoTron | and yes I do believe a lot of people do that |
| 01:34.30 | thul | and I really, really don't see the point. |
| 01:34.33 | Tinyboom | NeoTron: still don't see the fun in it, except as a timesink for morons.... |
| 01:34.44 | NeoTron | i.e harrassed by holder siblings/kids and in turn harassing weaker/younger kids at school |
| 01:34.46 | thul | what is the challenge? what is the fun part? |
| 01:34.59 | NeoTron | bullying very commonly coems from the bully being bullied himself |
| 01:35.22 | NeoTron | thul: who said there is any challenge or even fun? |
| 01:35.29 | NeoTron | do you think I am defending the behavior? |
| 01:35.32 | Tinyboom | would never play a pvp-server since it's not a challenge, more a test of will and endurance...until you can't take it anymore and become the bully that bullied you.... |
| 01:35.38 | NeoTron | it annoys me to no end |
| 01:36.05 | thul | I see no fun in ganking lvl 20-30s, even if I have leveled three chars on ravencrest so far. |
| 01:36.09 | thul | there is no point |
| 01:36.11 | NeoTron | which, again, is why I don't play on pvp servers |
| 01:36.15 | thul | i can do one ambush (or even one shiv) |
| 01:36.20 | thul | i can do one lightning bolt.. |
| 01:36.22 | thul | or one charge |
| 01:36.25 | thul | and they die |
| 01:36.27 | Kivin | It's all pretty juvenille. Coping with it and imposing that upon others. |
| 01:36.41 | NeoTron | thul: is anyone here saying it's a good thing? or that it's fun? |
| 01:36.50 | NeoTron | I'm stating it's part of the pvp experience on most pvp servers |
| 01:36.55 | NeoTron | that's it |
| 01:37.21 | NeoTron | remember that a lot of young kids play wow too |
| 01:37.29 | thul | "something is wrong here, but don't complain about it" is not an attitude i like. |
| 01:37.37 | thul | "racism exists here, but that is how it is, don't try to change it" |
| 01:38.43 | NeoTron | except you cannot change WoW |
| 01:38.56 | NeoTron | it just won't happen unless they add some sort of maturity test to play it |
| 01:39.03 | Kivin | you can change it for yourself: transfer or reroll on a non-idiot server |
| 01:39.04 | NeoTron | or add hard age limits (impossible) |
| 01:39.09 | thul | well, I have done |
| 01:39.10 | thul | ravencrest |
| 01:39.13 | thul | gone |
| 01:39.14 | thul | balnazzar |
| 01:39.15 | thul | in |
| 01:39.18 | thul | and well, balnazzar rocks. |
| 01:39.29 | Funkeh` | gn |
| 01:39.31 | NeoTron | thul: so you just proved my point. thanks |
| 01:39.39 | thul | NeoTron: nopes |
| 01:39.40 | NeoTron | i.e "deal with it" |
| 01:39.47 | thul | beacuse you still go "i want to close my eyes and accept it" |
| 01:39.53 | thul | I go "i raise my voice against it" |
| 01:39.54 | NeoTron | sure you did. you dealt with a retarded server by moving to a non-retarded server |
| 01:39.57 | thul | that is the difference |
| 01:40.01 | thul | well, I still level chars at ravencrest |
| 01:40.05 | thul | i actually lvl one now :-) |
| 01:40.24 | NeoTron | what have you done to "fix" ravencrest? where are your wow forum posts about stopping the ganking? what areyou "doing" to fix it? |
| 01:40.35 | thul | NeoTron: irc > forum |
| 01:41.10 | NeoTron | so there's a ravencrest irc where a minority and discuss pvp ganking needing to stop on the server |
| 01:41.14 | NeoTron | ? |
| 01:41.25 | thul | minority? :-P |
| 01:41.33 | thul | there is a quite active and large channel tbh |
| 01:41.46 | thul | and most of the active and large guilds are represented there |
| 01:41.47 | NeoTron | I doubt any significant number of players on the server would sit in IRC on a regular basis |
| 01:41.48 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel 07Ace3 * r57577 10Mapster/Coords.lua: Mapster: Coords: small tweak |
| 01:41.51 | thul | and well, pvp/ganking debates are quite frequent. |
| 01:42.00 | NeoTron | considering each server typically have thousands of active concurrent players |
| 01:42.08 | thul | ... |
| 01:42.10 | thul | well, troll away |
| 01:42.13 | thul | but you HAVE gotten my point |
| 01:42.15 | thul | and that is good :-) |
| 01:42.28 | NeoTron | I never disagreed |
| 01:42.30 | thul | you have realized that "racism is how it is, i'll just close my eyes" is a bad strategy |
| 01:42.33 | NeoTron | you just read shit into what I said that I never said |
| 01:42.36 | thul | and that is a good thing |
| 01:42.40 | NeoTron | and made false conclusions |
| 01:43.16 | NeoTron | and I agree about racism but I can't compare it to pvp ganking in WoW. not on the same order of magnitude in anyway |
| 01:46.42 | Antiarc | http://www.adofdamonth.com/ads/1147/original_paris_rugby.jpg |
| 01:47.45 | NeoTron | Antiarc: hmm... |
| 01:47.52 | Neebler | do not want. |
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| 01:50.51 | buu | Antiarc: Hot. |
| 01:51.01 | Antiarc | I'd prefer a female version |
| 01:51.07 | Antiarc | But it's pretty amusing any way you slice it |
| 01:51.55 | buu | Picky picky. |
| 01:53.23 | Antiarc | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=504733&in_page_id=1811&ito=newsnow |
| 01:53.35 | Antiarc | I has a bucket^H^H^H^H^H^H flower pot. |
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| 02:40.03 | bigzero | is there any reason function(tbl, key) tbl[key] = {} return tbl[key] end would be used over function(tbl, key) tbl[key] = {} return {} end ?? |
| 02:40.14 | bigzero | nvm |
| 02:40.30 | bigzero | just realized it |
| 02:41.03 | Industrial | ok good :> |
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| 02:43.46 | CIA-8 | 03kemayo * r57578 10Quixote/Quixote-1.0/Quixote-1.0.lua: Quixote: Fix nil error on 540; vestigial code. |
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| 03:12.55 | Kivin | Don't suppose the chap who made the wow-armory item scanning lua script is around here tonight? |
| 03:13.41 | Shirik | there are a lot of wow-armory item scanning lua scripts |
| 03:13.45 | Shirik | what exactly do you need? |
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| 03:14.16 | Kivin | well, I spoke to someone last night that had a script that recursed through the entire wow item table and parsed information from the wow armory |
| 03:14.40 | Shirik | that's a bold claim considering not all items are on wow armory, but ok I'll play along |
| 03:14.47 | Kivin | i'm trying to do it on a more isolated level and I don't really see at a glance an easy way to parse the results of item-info.xml?i=X |
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| 03:15.18 | Kivin | I thought it'd come to me in XML format, but I'm getting an assload of HTML and CSS |
| 03:15.52 | Shirik | uhh |
| 03:15.56 | Shirik | that's not what I'm getting |
| 03:16.05 | Shirik | sounds like your browser is sending you the built page instead of the XML |
| 03:16.22 | Kivin | I'm using C#'s System.Net namespace to query the page |
| 03:16.40 | Shirik | this is what I got: http://wowi.pastey.net/79673 |
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| 03:17.29 | Kivin | Interesting... so my C# app is doing something with the XSL file referenced in the return data |
| 03:17.30 | Shirik | I hate C# so I don't think I can help you much further than that |
| 03:17.33 | Shirik | sounds like it |
| 03:17.43 | Kivin | Hmmm |
| 03:19.37 | Kivin | Are you querying that XML in LUA? |
| 03:19.37 | krka | Kivin: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon. |
| 03:19.38 | Kivin | Lua*** |
| 03:20.39 | Shirik | no |
| 03:20.43 | Shirik | I queried that from my browser |
| 03:20.50 | Kivin | *blink* |
| 03:20.57 | Shirik | here let me do it from java |
| 03:21.13 | Shirik | as I accidentally hit google earth |
| 03:21.21 | Shirik | how that is confused with netbeans I'm not quite sure yet |
| 03:21.49 | Kivin | I see a very artsy webpage when i visit http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33666 in my web browser... not sure how to get just the plain XML |
| 03:21.57 | Shirik | btw the request url was http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33721 |
| 03:22.14 | Kivin | yeah, same diff |
| 03:22.16 | buu | Kivin: I went to the mouse-over item info page. |
| 03:22.43 | buu | http://www.wowarmory.com/item-tooltip.xml?i= |
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| 03:23.15 | Kivin | buu: hmm ok. still doesn't give me what Shirik is getting |
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| 03:23.22 | Kivin | I want the XML that he gets in his pastey |
| 03:26.29 | Kivin | Okay, so if i go to item-info.xml?i=X, i'm getting XML, my web browser is just rendering it into the website... but I wonder how I get C# to fetch just the XML |
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| 03:26.49 | buu | Kivin: Hrm? |
| 03:26.59 | buu | Kivin: I'd suspect you would need to pass the proper user agent. |
| 03:27.08 | Kivin | buu: ok... |
| 03:27.24 | mattswell | is there an ace addon that mimics cosmos' CombatCaller? (automatically does /oom or /healme depending on hp/mana %) |
| 03:27.28 | buu | But that's the item meta information. |
| 03:28.26 | Shirik | sorry Kivin just give me a sec I'm verifying this stuff |
| 03:28.31 | Shirik | that what I'm getting isn't something else |
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| 03:29.27 | mattswell | sorry |
| 03:29.30 | mattswell | what was that? |
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| 03:31.04 | Shirik | hrm |
| 03:31.10 | Shirik | I keep getting a 302 Found message back |
| 03:31.11 | Shirik | wtf |
| 03:31.16 | Shirik | I must be doing something wrong with my headers |
| 03:31.23 | Kivin | Blahh... how very frusterating. aside from perhaps using a plain tcp/ip control and mimicking the http protocol, i can't think of any other way of doing this |
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| 03:32.04 | Shirik | that's what I'm doing right now :P |
| 03:32.07 | Shirik | but I did something wrong =/ |
| 03:32.09 | Kivin | oh, lol |
| 03:32.18 | Kivin | I have no idea what a HTTP GET looks like, to try that |
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| 03:33.12 | Shirik | it's actually pretty simple |
| 03:33.51 | Shirik | the simplest form is here: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/11634f104e1aba4f4d72434c319b8995.jpg |
| 03:34.07 | Shirik | this is what I just wrote in about 2 minutes |
| 03:34.10 | Kivin | aye |
| 03:34.14 | Shirik | but obviously there's a problem as you can see by the output at thebottom |
| 03:35.32 | Kivin | that's pretty bizarre |
| 03:35.51 | Kivin | wish i had that lua script i saw yesterday... grr |
| 03:36.21 | Shirik | I'll get it in just a second |
| 03:36.25 | Shirik | I'm sure I'm just missing a header |
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| 03:38.43 | toybreaker | good evening all |
| 03:39.47 | toybreaker | I hope i can find some help here. I am working with Prat and want to change my combat log to show the "You Backstab Target Value" any tips? |
| 03:40.44 | Kivin | Why do you need prat to do that, again? If you aren't seeing backstab messages, you shut it off in the default UI, and you should re-enable it there as well |
| 03:41.04 | toybreaker | i want the abbreviated messages |
| 03:41.28 | Kivin | I could very well be mistaken, but I don't think Prat doesn that. Get SimpleCombatLog, i think it's called |
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| 03:41.31 | toybreaker | instead of the longer winded wow default combat messages..that is Prat that performs that isnt it |
| 03:41.45 | toybreaker | oh dang,...explains why i am so lost |
| 03:42.06 | toybreaker | noob...out to check it out, thanks |
| 03:42.12 | Kivin | np |
| 03:42.42 | Shirik | ahhhhhhh |
| 03:42.48 | Shirik | I needed to specify HTTP/1.1 |
| 03:43.16 | Shirik | huh. |
| 03:43.19 | Shirik | I got exactly what you got |
| 03:43.20 | Shirik | that's interesting |
| 03:43.44 | xyu` | woot got to tank TK on my alt pally today. was fun. |
| 03:44.29 | Kivin | You got the Full HTML, Shirik? |
| 03:45.10 | Shirik | I assume this is what you've been getting? http://nopaste.com/p/aPFZ80FX6 |
| 03:45.22 | Kivin | yeah, looks like it |
| 03:46.23 | Kivin | i added the http/1.1 and it's been burning away ever since, looks like it's not responding |
| 03:46.39 | Shirik | that's curious |
| 03:46.53 | Shirik | oh I wouldn't add it unless you're working with sockets raw :P |
| 03:46.57 | Shirik | I'm handling all the headers myself |
| 03:47.01 | Kivin | I did |
| 03:47.06 | Kivin | I'm using the C# version of what you have |
| 03:47.06 | Shirik | ah, then what you need is |
| 03:47.20 | Shirik | GET /item-info.xml?i=12345 HTTP/1.1 |
| 03:47.23 | Kivin | exactly |
| 03:47.24 | Shirik | \r\n |
| 03:47.33 | Shirik | Host: www.wowarmory.com |
| 03:47.33 | Kivin | ohhh, i missed something silly |
| 03:47.36 | Shirik | \r\n\r\n |
| 03:47.44 | Kivin | tcpStream.Write(Encoding.UTF8.GetBytes("GET /item-info.xml?i=33721 HTTP/1.1\r\n\r\n"), 0, Encoding.UTF8.GetByteCount("GET /item-info.xml?i=33721\r\n\r\n")); |
| 03:47.50 | Kivin | missed the header on the bytecount call |
| 03:48.08 | Shirik | heh |
| 03:48.35 | Shirik | then wtf is my browser showing me :P |
| 03:48.40 | Kivin | I wish I knew |
| 03:49.03 | Kivin | If a raw TCP request gets all that crap... how the hell does your browser get a few lines of XML? |
| 03:49.53 | Shirik | if I were using firefox I'd probably see something slightly different |
| 03:49.57 | CIA-8 | 03helium * r57579 10Babble-2.2/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 03:49.57 | CIA-8 | Babble-2.2: |
| 03:49.57 | CIA-8 | - revert ggcall's change on zhTW locale. pls double check the DBC files and GlobalStrings.lua (the most up to date one, of coz) before "correcting" the translation, thx. |
| 03:50.00 | Shirik | at least I'd be able to see the headers it's sending |
| 03:50.13 | Kivin | i'm using firefox |
| 03:50.19 | Kivin | and it's rendering all that html/css garbage |
| 03:50.42 | Shirik | huh, my firefox isn't |
| 03:50.45 | Shirik | it just shows that xml again |
| 03:51.00 | Kivin | ... weird |
| 03:51.52 | Kivin | if i hit view source, i see the lite XML |
| 03:51.52 | Shirik | ohhhh |
| 03:51.54 | Shirik | that's interesting |
| 03:52.08 | Shirik | in the TCP stream my java app got, the content type returned was appliation/XHTML |
| 03:52.17 | Shirik | in the one firefox is getting, it's application/XML |
| 03:52.20 | Shirik | which imples the headers are different |
| 03:52.25 | Civrock | Could this be related to the Arena team dataminer problems? |
| 03:52.30 | Shirik | (the request headers) |
| 03:53.37 | Shirik | hmmm do I have wireshark on thsi computer? |
| 03:53.56 | Shirik | nope, time to go get it |
| 03:55.28 | Kivin | what's wireshark? |
| 03:55.34 | Shirik | network analyzer |
| 03:55.37 | Shirik | packet inspector |
| 03:56.03 | Silowyi | http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h218/CoolMoko/NERFCYCLONE.jpg |
| 03:56.44 | Shirik | apparently exe files are blocked from being downloaded on this internet |
| 03:56.47 | Shirik | what a surprise! |
| 03:56.52 | Shirik | everything else about this network is horrible |
| 03:57.22 | Arrowmaster | do you have a direct link to the exe? with file name ending in .exe? |
| 03:57.34 | Shirik | http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/wireshark/wireshark-setup-0.99.7.exe |
| 03:57.39 | Shirik | tunneling at 5KB/sec lol |
| 03:57.40 | Arrowmaster | try removing the .exe |
| 03:57.57 | Silowyi | Shirik: Many webservers commonly implement a compatibility fallback depending on which headers are sent... it's also possible that it may be gzip compressing the data, if you seem to be getting meaningless junk. |
| 03:58.15 | Shirik | no I forcibly turned off gzip |
| 03:58.23 | Shirik | and if it were gzip it would be illegible, not actual html |
| 03:58.31 | Silowyi | ah, wasn't sure what you were getting |
| 03:58.52 | Shirik | getting something valid, just not XML |
| 03:58.55 | Shirik | it's XHTML |
| 03:58.58 | Silowyi | Is it possible that for browsers it doesn't know about, it's rendering an xml/xsl transform server side? |
| 03:59.11 | Shirik | very possible |
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| 03:59.15 | Arrowmaster | armory? |
| 03:59.19 | Arrowmaster | its always done that |
| 03:59.19 | Shirik | which is why I want to see the exact headers firefox is emitting |
| 03:59.22 | buu | Silowyi: Yes that's what it does.. |
| 03:59.31 | Kivin | Okay, so how do i make my HttpWebRequest in .NET look like firefox |
| 03:59.39 | Arrowmaster | just stick "firefox" in the user-agent |
| 03:59.42 | Arrowmaster | it will work |
| 03:59.56 | Silowyi | get https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/966 |
| 03:59.57 | Kivin | no dice |
| 04:00.05 | Shirik | that's not enough :/ |
| 04:00.14 | Shirik | I did os.write("User-Agent: Firefox\r\n".getBytes()); |
| 04:00.17 | Shirik | and still got the same |
| 04:00.22 | Shirik | wtb exact string |
| 04:00.29 | Silowyi | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/966 Tamper Data |
| 04:00.41 | Silowyi | amazingly great FireFox addon |
| 04:00.56 | Arrowmaster | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.8) Gecko/20071008 Firefox/2.0.0.8 |
| 04:01.07 | Arrowmaster | theres a string i had in my useragent spoofer |
| 04:01.10 | Kivin | User-Agent=Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071127 Firefox/2.0.0.11 |
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| 04:01.40 | Kivin | still comes down the pipe as garbage html |
| 04:01.56 | Arrowmaster | with that exact useragent? |
| 04:02.15 | Kivin | strike my lsat |
| 04:02.16 | Kivin | last* |
| 04:02.16 | Shirik | no |
| 04:02.20 | Shirik | that's not how you do the header |
| 04:02.21 | Kivin | i'm going too fast and getting sloppy |
| 04:02.26 | Shirik | it should be User-Agent: |
| 04:02.27 | Kivin | i got it |
| 04:02.57 | Arrowmaster | play around and see if you can figure out what trigers xml and what doesnt |
| 04:02.58 | Superfly1 | Silowyi: thanks, i didnt know there is an addon like this, its really helpful |
| 04:02.58 | Shirik | os.write("User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071025 Firefox/2.0.0.9\r\n".getBytes()); |
| 04:03.01 | Shirik | that works perfectly |
| 04:03.06 | Shirik | and I get the XML |
| 04:03.20 | Shirik | my exact headers are: |
| 04:03.33 | Arrowmaster | armory only cares about User-Agent |
| 04:03.35 | Kivin | Shirik: I'm using an HTTP class, it's autoassembling my headers |
| 04:03.36 | Shirik | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.36 | Shirik | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.36 | Shirik | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.36 | Shirik | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.53 | Shirik | so use a straight TCP stream :P |
| 04:03.58 | Shirik | it isn't hard :) |
| 04:04.08 | Kivin | http://ace.pastey.net/79674 |
| 04:04.21 | Shirik | I could even do it for you if you're willing to work with the C apis :P |
| 04:04.37 | Kivin | why should i? i have a perfectly working copy, now, in C# with the HTTP libraries |
| 04:04.39 | si-m1 | you should probably change the Accept-thingy |
| 04:04.45 | Arrowmaster | i thought the header was "Accept: " not "Accept-Encoding: " |
| 04:04.54 | Shirik | there's an Accept header too |
| 04:04.55 | si-m1 | to say you want XML |
| 04:04.57 | Shirik | there's a few of them |
| 04:05.19 | Shirik | and actually the Accept-Encoding should be application/xml but oh well |
| 04:05.20 | Silowyi | you know though |
| 04:05.25 | Silowyi | I did this once before |
| 04:05.26 | Kivin | http://ace.pastey.net/79675 |
| 04:05.28 | Kivin | that's whta came down the pipe |
| 04:05.30 | Kivin | what* |
| 04:05.39 | Shirik | that's good :) |
| 04:05.42 | Silowyi | there is a way to get the xml from the armory without it munging it, no matter what user agent you use |
| 04:05.48 | Silowyi | its a slightly different url |
| 04:05.52 | Silowyi | one sec... |
| 04:06.08 | Kivin | Wish I'd have known that a half hour ago, although this has been all very interesting :) |
| 04:06.47 | Shirik | meh |
| 04:06.53 | Shirik | working with TCP streams directly is fun |
| 04:06.53 | Shirik | learn the protocols! |
| 04:07.00 | Kivin | nu thx |
| 04:07.39 | _rane | reinventing the wheel |
| 04:07.44 | Shirik | it'll help when you have to design protocols |
| 04:07.50 | Shirik | it'll help when you have to design protocols |
| 04:08.03 | Shirik | it'll also help you for when you want to shoot the IT guys here |
| 04:08.08 | Shirik | If I tried to develop this serial protocol I'm working with right now without first knowing how ethernet worked, I would have had a hell of a time making it work |
| 04:08.14 | Shirik | sorry.... |
| 04:08.54 | Kivin | anywho, now the fun part... to turn that XML into something Lua can use >< |
| 04:09.08 | Shirik | easy with patterns or regexes :) |
| 04:09.18 | _rane | lol, regex |
| 04:09.18 | Kivin | -.- |
| 04:09.22 | _rane | have fun with that |
| 04:09.48 | Tem|Gone | Shirik, if I repeat everything I say twice, will you notice? |
| 04:09.59 | Tem|Gone | Shirik, if I repeat everything I say twice, will you notice? |
| 04:09.59 | Shirik | .... |
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| 04:10.04 | Shirik | it's this damn connection |
| 04:10.18 | Kivin | -.- |
| 04:10.18 | Shirik | I'm never coming to this hotel again |
| 04:10.21 | Tem|Gone | less QQ more... TCP? |
| 04:10.26 | Kivin | -.- |
| 04:11.02 | Shirik | TCP doesn't help when your router randomly decides "oh I'm not going to listen to you for two minutes" |
| 04:11.03 | Kivin | god, i hate dot net's regexs |
| 04:12.46 | Shirik | aren't they standard? |
| 04:12.48 | Tem|Gone | Kivin meant: "god, i hate dot net." -- fixed |
| 04:12.56 | Shirik | Tem|Gone: agreed |
| 04:13.02 | Shirik | I told him not to use C# but noo |
| 04:13.08 | aestil | wtf windfury weapon and totem aren't the same. |
| 04:13.11 | Tem|Gone | C# isn't inherently bad |
| 04:13.20 | Shirik | what microsoft did to it is |
| 04:13.25 | Tem|Gone | nope, the totem is better >< |
| 04:13.25 | aestil | is one better than the other, besides the group benifit of the totem? |
| 04:13.32 | Shirik | and if you want to use the microsoft APIs with C#... |
| 04:13.38 | Kivin | the buff is better than the totem |
| 04:13.43 | Kivin | buff = 2 extra attacks, totem = 1 |
| 04:13.44 | Tem|Gone | iirc, the totem gives more AP bonus and they have the same proc-rate |
| 04:13.54 | Shirik | the totem gives an AP bonus? |
| 04:13.57 | Tem|Gone | orly? |
| 04:13.59 | Kivin | they both do |
| 04:14.02 | Shirik | I didn't know that |
| 04:14.11 | Tem|Gone | I never noticed that the totem was only 1 extra attack |
| 04:14.15 | Tem|Gone | <-- caster |
| 04:14.21 | Shirik | <-- healer |
| 04:14.24 | Kivin | WFW = 20% chance for 2 extra attacks + 445 attack power |
| 04:14.31 | aestil | well, i'm only 32 |
| 04:14.37 | Shirik | WF totem is my reminder that I need to reapply mana oil |
| 04:14.39 | aestil | but i have 3 pts in imp wf weapon. |
| 04:14.48 | Kivin | totem = same atk power, same proc rate, 1 extra attack |
| 04:15.03 | Tem|Gone | WF totem is my reminder that I need to icelance stuff |
| 04:15.05 | aestil | the current buff says totem is more AP and 1 less proc. |
| 04:15.05 | Kivin | you only drop the totem when there's people with 2-handed weaps in your group (other than you) |
| 04:15.17 | Tem|Gone | fucking totems making warriors hit harder |
| 04:15.27 | Kivin | MS Warriors, Ret paladins, whatever |
| 04:15.39 | Tem|Gone | it's not helpful for rogues? |
| 04:15.45 | Kivin | Poison overwrites the buff |
| 04:15.46 | Tem|Gone | or do they get more dps from poisons? |
| 04:15.49 | Shirik | don't poison! |
| 04:15.51 | Kivin | I don't know |
| 04:15.55 | Shirik | No they don't |
| 04:16.06 | Shirik | poison your OH leave the MH unpoisoned |
| 04:16.12 | Tem|Gone | I didn't figure poisons were all that much extra |
| 04:16.18 | Silowyi | blarg |
| 04:16.28 | Tem|Gone | bah, back to being gone |
| 04:16.33 | Silowyi | ok they've changed it, the old method I used to use doesn't work anymore |
| 04:16.39 | Silowyi | so spoofing the user agent appears to be it |
| 04:17.11 | Kivin | sounds fine |
| 04:17.55 | Arrowmaster | what was the old method? |
| 04:19.19 | Silowyi | The website used to use a #. Removing that would get you a nice, untransformed page. |
| 04:20.11 | Arrowmaster | no because used to be it only worked for me without the # |
| 04:20.23 | Arrowmaster | every link posted with the # would fail for me |
| 04:20.23 | Kivin | I might post on the macros forum at some point and ask if there's a generally accepted way of getting an untransformed page now |
| 04:21.46 | Silowyi | Arrowmaster: perhaps it was the other way around |
| 04:21.55 | Silowyi | Arrowmaster: this was some time ago anyway |
| 04:22.09 | Silowyi | Kivin: A quick google says "spoof the user agent" |
| 04:22.24 | Shirik | I don't see why you wouldn't just do that :P |
| 04:22.41 | Silowyi | I would think there should be a method to do so even in C# |
| 04:23.26 | Kivin | I *am* just doing that :p |
| 04:23.27 | duaiwe | What's the minimum enchanting level required to disenchant 70 greens? |
| 04:23.28 | Shirik | I agree |
| 04:23.30 | duaiwe | gah, stupid irc |
| 04:23.50 | Shirik | stupid NightHawkTheSane ! |
| 04:23.52 | Kivin | NightHawkTheSane: can't be much higher than 300 |
| 04:23.53 | Shirik | stupid IRC? |
| 04:24.09 | Kivin | I'm sure IRC resents that. |
| 04:24.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Actually, its more like my client, I could probably finagle it to fix it, but meh |
| 04:24.30 | Shirik | iirc it's 315 but let me check |
| 04:24.50 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 04:24.52 | Shirik | it's 275 |
| 04:24.53 | chiper | NightHawkTheSane: I didnt think there were any 70 greens, but I imagine it's 275, same as blues. purples are 300 |
| 04:24.59 | CIA-8 | 03ggcall * r57580 10PlayerNotes/Locale-zhCN.lua: |
| 04:24.59 | CIA-8 | PlayerNotes: |
| 04:24.59 | CIA-8 | - fix zhCN file utf-8 |
| 04:25.19 | NightHawkTheSane | chiper: there are random green drops that require level 70 |
| 04:25.25 | NightHawkTheSane | but thanks for the info |
| 04:25.27 | Shirik | http://wowwiki.com/Disenchanting |
| 04:25.38 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, I should have looked there first, ah well |
| 04:25.50 | NightHawkTheSane | is it a good excuse if my brain is fried from playing too much Lego Star Wars? |
| 04:25.56 | Shirik | ni |
| 04:25.56 | Shirik | no |
| 04:26.00 | NightHawkTheSane | :( |
| 04:26.18 | Shirik | ~glomp NightHawkTheSane |
| 04:26.18 | purl | ACTION becomes fully animated as her eyes squint in an upside-down-U formation, gets a running start and tackle-glomps NightHawkTheSane |
| 04:26.19 | chiper | I need to buy those games |
| 04:26.39 | NightHawkTheSane | chiper: if you have any recent generation console, get 'Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga" |
| 04:26.54 | Shirik | wii? |
| 04:26.54 | chiper | I have a 360, so yeah |
| 04:26.59 | NightHawkTheSane | it's basically a combination, and enhanced version, of both |
| 04:27.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: yep, there's a wii version |
| 04:27.10 | chiper | ow much is it? |
| 04:27.17 | NightHawkTheSane | the same as any other game |
| 04:27.22 | NightHawkTheSane | ~50ish |
| 04:27.23 | Shirik | is it actually good? |
| 04:27.25 | Shirik | or am I going to hate you? |
| 04:27.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Well, good is relative, i guess. |
| 04:27.40 | chiper | lego starwars is an awesome game |
| 04:27.40 | NightHawkTheSane | I, however, am massively enjoying the game |
| 04:27.57 | _rane | hmm |
| 04:28.03 | _rane | who was the guy looking for magictrack? |
| 04:28.15 | chiper | and that's not just the starwars part of me saying that, it's seriously a really well designed game with a lot of replay value |
| 04:28.23 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, it honestly is |
| 04:28.41 | chiper | I'm looking forward to Lego Indiana Jones, and Lego Batman |
| 04:28.57 | chiper | darn, no lego stuff on Steam |
| 04:29.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Although, to be sure, if you vastly dislike games based around item collection, and games where you replay the same level a few times to get everything, you might not like it. |
| 04:29.24 | chiper | *snirk* we DO play WoW |
| 04:29.34 | NightHawkTheSane | touché. ;) |
| 04:31.21 | Shirik | WoW is a game? I thought it was a coding project I was working on.... |
| 04:31.26 | Shirik | wait hold up |
| 04:31.59 | Shirik | ok are my messages really coming in backwards? Did you see "wait hold up" or "wow is a game?" first? |
| 04:32.17 | Nargiddley | wow is a game |
| 04:32.18 | NightHawkTheSane | "wow is a game?" came first |
| 04:32.24 | Shirik | ok, someone needs to be shot |
| 04:32.41 | NightHawkTheSane | did that come in backwards too, and you really want someone to shoot you? :P |
| 04:33.03 | Shirik | that is the reverse order in which I typed it |
| 04:33.07 | Shirik | and no, the person isn't me |
| 04:33.46 | CIA-8 | 03nymbia * r57581 10LibPeriodicTable-3.1/ (7 files in 7 dirs): LibPeriodicTable-3.1: Automated dataminer update |
| 04:34.30 | NightHawkTheSane | that reminds me.. |
| 04:35.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Nargiddley: you're aware that with the move to pt3.1 baggins' right-click->item info->periodic table sets menu is broken, right? |
| 04:35.14 | Nargiddley | yeah |
| 04:36.39 | NightHawkTheSane | k. just making sure. it's vaguely annoying, but its probably nymbia's fault. ;) |
| 04:40.03 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: rofl since irc uses tcp it makes me really wonder wtf kinda connection your on and what kinda bastardizations theyve done to reduce packets |
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| 04:42.02 | chiper | I bet he's using an irc proxy |
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| 04:55.52 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: That's why I'm so confused!! |
| 04:56.28 | chiper | what's better for a shammy, attack power, or agility? |
| 04:56.46 | Shirik | AP |
| 04:56.50 | NightHawkTheSane | attack power |
| 04:57.02 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: use an encrypted tunnel or something they cant fuckup the packets for |
| 04:57.11 | Shirik | working on that |
| 04:57.18 | NightHawkTheSane | despite every single piece of fucking mail/leather in the game having agility on it, its actually a fairly poor stat for shaman |
| 04:57.18 | Shirik | when I do that I can actually use an IRC client again |
| 04:57.19 | Arrowmaster | although it might still be laggy |
| 04:57.50 | chiper | ok, so it's probably better to hang on to these +10ap shoulders, rahter then replace with +6agi/+5sta |
| 04:57.52 | Shirik | I already have a VPN set up but I think someone stopped the VNC service on the computer I planned to tunnel to, so I called someone to restart it there :P |
| 05:02.30 | Kivin | well I added the whole season 1 item table to lootzor in about 3 minutes using the armory data mining ... sure beats hand-writing it o.o |
| 05:03.23 | clad|away | Kivin: perhaps you could add information about _what_ your addon does |
| 05:03.24 | clad|away | like in the .toc |
| 05:05.07 | Kivin | Indeed... one thing at a time |
| 05:05.28 | cladhaire | methinks that shoudl be one of the first things you do :P |
| 05:05.33 | RaydenUni | would it be possible to design a dungeon to be balanced for your level? |
| 05:05.47 | RaydenUni | ie, make end game content *always* end game? even after an expansion? |
| 05:06.01 | RaydenUni | Design Karazhan to be a 10 man dungeon at 70 and 80? |
| 05:06.06 | cladhaire | in theory, yes |
| 05:06.06 | cladhaire | why |
| 05:06.12 | RaydenUni | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/12/27/3-man-group-conquers-molten-core/#comments |
| 05:06.28 | cladhaire | in the future, yeah i think they can design dungeons like that |
| 05:06.41 | cladhaire | however, i'd rather they make new content, then spend their time and money working on retooling the old content |
| 05:06.43 | cladhaire | fwiw :P |
| 05:09.28 | RaydenUni | yeah but i didn't get to experience any of the 60 content |
| 05:09.37 | RaydenUni | the farthest i got was one half run of LBRS |
| 05:09.52 | cladhaire | aye i understand yiour want :P |
| 05:09.58 | cladhaire | but mine are more important! |
| 05:10.20 | RaydenUni | but i'm saying what if you designed a dungeon so you wouldn't have to redesign and retool for the expansion? |
| 05:10.29 | RaydenUni | to remake all the old lvl 60 stuff to be lvl 70 would be difficult |
| 05:10.35 | RaydenUni | but what if they had designed it to scale? |
| 05:10.41 | cladhaire | i think they may begin doing that |
| 05:10.43 | cladhaire | and have to a point with the heroic/non-heroic stuf |
| 05:10.46 | cladhaire | shows they can figure out how to make it scale |
| 05:10.47 | RaydenUni | couldn't be much more work than designing all the 5 mans to be heroic |
| 05:10.51 | cladhaire | in those cases |
| 05:11.17 | Arrowmaster | they ended up majorly rebalancing all the heroics though after tbc release |
| 05:12.06 | RaydenUni | yeah, of course it's easier to design non-end game content |
| 05:12.11 | RaydenUni | if it's too hard your players just level a bit more |
| 05:21.50 | ggilbert | The downside to reusing the level 70 stuff at 80 is that you're going to have a lot of players who already did the content and want something new for their $50 |
| 05:22.36 | xyu` | Does anyone know if a warlock's pet is cycloned, does the lock lose soulink? ^_^ |
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| 05:24.40 | cladhaire | good question :P |
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| 05:39.12 | Silowyi | ok |
| 05:39.21 | Silowyi | say what you want about the WoW community being immature and what not |
| 05:39.28 | Silowyi | but at least they laugh at risque jokes |
| 05:39.37 | Silowyi | in EQ2 you just get talked to by a GM in about 30 minutes later. |
| 05:40.32 | Silowyi | I can't count how many fury sex jokes I've heard about druids in WoW, but try that in EQ2 and its like everyone has a stick up their ass. |
| 05:41.30 | Silowyi | which is silly cause the EQ2 population is more likely to be of legal age :P |
| 05:41.47 | chiper | not in my experience |
| 05:42.09 | chiper | sure, you do have a lot of kids, but I've met FAR more adults than minors |
| 05:42.14 | NightHawkTheSane | I fail to see what age has to do with a sense of humor. |
| 05:42.27 | chiper | maybe it's just the circles I hang around |
| 05:42.32 | Silowyi | NightHawkTheSane: My theory is that as we get older, we outgrow it :P |
| 05:42.45 | chiper | now, xbox live, THAT is full of kids |
| 05:42.53 | NightHawkTheSane | people who outgrow a sense of humor should just die and get it all overwith ;) |
| 05:42.57 | chiper | very nasty little crotch goblins |
| 05:51.48 | Silowyi | I remember trying out the PSO demo on xbox live |
| 05:51.52 | Silowyi | geeze |
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| 06:03.46 | Shirik | any raiding-experienced resto druids here? |
| 06:10.54 | Aens|Superiority | Shirik: whats up? |
| 06:13.18 | Shirik | Aens|Superiority: What's your primary healing spell |
| 06:13.21 | Shirik | aside from lifebloom |
| 06:13.26 | Lukian | does ace2 have a trim function? |
| 06:13.29 | Shirik | well, let's change that question |
| 06:13.34 | Shirik | How often do you use healing touch? |
| 06:13.37 | Aens|Superiority | yeah, that question doesn't make much sense. |
| 06:13.57 | Aens|Superiority | never unless its following an NS |
| 06:14.11 | Shirik | regrowth? |
| 06:14.14 | Shirik | or just lifebloom |
| 06:14.33 | Shirik | So I am correct when I tell one of my healers that him having 66% of healing from healing touch is indicative of a problem? |
| 06:14.54 | Aens|Superiority | regrowth for small spikes. |
| 06:15.03 | Aens|Superiority | but usually if there needs to be a heal, I just swiftmend a regrowth |
| 06:15.05 | Aens|Superiority | err, rejuv |
| 06:15.46 | Aens|Superiority | very few fights where there are more than 3 targets taking stacking lifebloom damage |
| 06:15.46 | Ellipsis` | healing touch isn't terribly useful unless you can really predict the damage well in advance |
| 06:15.59 | Aens|Superiority | it is terrible mana efficiency too. |
| 06:16.12 | Shirik | ok so I'm right with what I said earlier? |
| 06:16.24 | Ellipsis` | yeah, if they're always healing like that |
| 06:16.29 | Shirik | 0 regrowths, 0 rejuvs, 66% healing touch? |
| 06:16.38 | Shirik | No I just try to write a paragraph to each healer after each raid |
| 06:16.45 | Shirik | and I want to make sure what I'm saying is sane |
| 06:17.29 | Ellipsis` | sounds plenty sane to me |
| 06:17.36 | Ellipsis` | what are they doing, just lifebloom and HT? |
| 06:17.40 | Ellipsis` | >_>;; |
| 06:17.40 | Aens|Superiority | the resto druid in a raid should only be healing the tank on a boss fight. On trash, who cares, thats for resto shamans. |
| 06:17.42 | Shirik | looks like it |
| 06:17.50 | Ellipsis` | l2hots imo |
| 06:17.55 | Shirik | that's basically what I told him |
| 06:18.00 | Shirik | he ended up pretty low on the charts too |
| 06:18.04 | Aens|Superiority | and the only spells should really be lifebloom and rejuv. If its a single tank fight, lifebloom, rejuv and regrowths a few times. |
| 06:18.16 | Shirik | here's what I wrote to him |
| 06:18.22 | Shirik | Ima, while I don't pretend to know druid healing 100% as it's one of the classes I have the least experience with, it is my understanding that Druids really excel in HoTs. If that's true (in my personal opinion, it is) you have way too many healing touches in there |
| 06:18.28 | Shirik | What's worse, zero regrowths/rejuvs. Nice job with lifebloom, though. But if you're in a group with a healing priest, you should really leave the big nuke heals to them. |
| 06:18.34 | Ellipsis` | tell him to put swiftmend on his bars and try it out sometime |
| 06:18.37 | Shirik | Regrowth is good for little spikes (swiftmending that can help a lot). Rejuvenation and Lifebloom (Lifebloom mostly) should be the majority of your healing. |
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| 06:20.32 | Shirik | as usual the internets hate me |
| 06:20.39 | Shirik | Aens|Superiority: did that paragraph look ok? |
| 06:20.43 | Shirik | make sense, etc? |
| 06:20.50 | Shirik | I wasn't talking out of my ass? |
| 06:20.56 | Shirik | join #conspiracy |
| 06:20.57 | Shirik | oops |
| 06:21.17 | Aens|Superiority | Shirik: yeah, thats accurate |
| 06:21.21 | Shirik | ok :) thanks |
| 06:21.33 | Shirik | I really only know the basics of druid healing >< |
| 06:22.07 | Shirik | I like this paragraph though: |
| 06:22.13 | Shirik | Len: Die more please. |
| 06:22.39 | Shirik | that's all I wrote because I couldn't find anythin else to say >< |
| 06:22.44 | Aens|Superiority | well, on boss fights with only 1 or 2 people taking damage, you can use a /castsequence macro to heal :/ |
| 06:22.58 | Aens|Superiority | thats how dumb it is in pve. |
| 06:23.11 | Shirik | That's why I like being a priest |
| 06:23.30 | Shirik | so many choices |
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| 06:24.23 | Shirik | ok seriously this is getting out of control >< |
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| 06:26.00 | buu | Ok |
| 06:26.04 | buu | What was the name of that texture.. |
| 06:27.02 | Shirik | what texture >< |
| 06:29.25 | buu | SharedMedia =/ |
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| 06:30.47 | mattswell | so |
| 06:31.06 | mattswell | is there an addon that will allow rock to control khaos-controlled addons? |
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| 06:38.21 | Mudkipz | moo |
| 06:39.23 | RaydenU | omg escort quests suck! |
| 06:41.36 | Keias | They do. Except the one in Skettis and RFD |
| 06:45.16 | RaydenU | the skettis one for different reasons |
| 06:45.17 | RaydenU | RFD? |
| 06:45.33 | RaydenU | the northwatch hold one is so long |
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| 06:48.35 | CIA-8 | 03xinhuan * r57582 10Postal/Modules/BlackBook.lua: Postal: - Move the BlackBook menu that popups on mouseover of the "To:" field to a button beside it. |
| 06:49.17 | Xinhuan | excellent, that commit was done thru a SSH tunnel lol |
| 07:08.09 | Dezzimal | wru tekkub |
| 07:11.38 | CIA-8 | 03slake333 * r57583 10Scrub/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 07:11.38 | CIA-8 | Scrub: 1.1.2 |
| 07:11.38 | CIA-8 | - PALADIN: Added check for non-holy spec without Precision |
| 07:11.38 | CIA-8 | - PALADIN: Modified Redoubt and Toughness checks to not trigger for Ret specs |
| 07:11.38 | CIA-8 | - PALADIN: Removed 1H Weapon Spec |
| 07:11.39 | CIA-8 | - PRIEST: Wand Specialization check changed to yellow severity |
| 07:11.41 | CIA-8 | - PRIEST: Blessed Recovery check changed to yellow severity |
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| 07:14.40 | Dezzimal | you know you used to have good reason to spec wand specialization |
| 07:15.00 | Dezzimal | unbreakable will = 15% increased chance to get eaten by onyxia |
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| 07:31.00 | Aeyan | Yeah, that reminds me of a funny bit I heard once |
| 07:31.09 | Aeyan | Resisting a fear, great |
| 07:31.25 | Aeyan | Resisting a fear when everyone else didn't, not so great |
| 07:32.24 | Killmore | I like so much the addon Scrub ! |
| 07:32.29 | Guillotine | is there any way to reset a specific sub-table in an AceDB table to its defaults? |
| 07:32.56 | Grum | nil it? |
| 07:33.28 | Guillotine | doesn't go to defaults :/ |
| 07:33.30 | Guillotine | just goes to nil |
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| 07:41.48 | Orionshock | question, if your going to have a big table dose it really matter if it's nested or not? |
| 07:42.38 | Guillotine | yes |
| 07:42.40 | Guillotine | greatly |
| 07:43.53 | Orionshock | how so? |
| 07:45.33 | Orionshock | i know it up's the time on table access but, provided i local that part, does the table being 4,5 trees deep degrade memory performance or anything? |
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| 07:48.55 | Guillotine | not really |
| 07:49.02 | Orionshock | k |
| 07:49.10 | Guillotine | it doesn't need to be nested for efficiency purposes, but does for other things |
| 07:49.20 | Guillotine | e.g. if you want to store multiple stats on different quests |
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| 07:54.02 | Orionshock | ive been thinking about this huge ass table i've made, and im trying to thin it a bit by reducing the table size |
| 07:54.28 | buu | So er |
| 07:54.33 | buu | How do I make pitbull debuffs go on the bottom? |
| 07:54.39 | Orionshock | " { vaule = true } " works way to well for non-destructive upgrades. |
| 07:55.19 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.03 | Xinhuan | is the TOC field Loadwith or LoadWith |
| 07:59.06 | Xinhuan | anyone remember offhand? |
| 08:13.58 | buu | Anyone? |
| 08:17.03 | Orionshock | ahhh |
| 08:17.05 | Orionshock | no bot :( |
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| 08:20.34 | Xinhuan | hm |
| 08:23.47 | Varazir[NA] | I have a question about AI |
| 08:25.38 | Tekkub | Dezzimal, eh? |
| 08:28.06 | buu | Gah |
| 08:28.12 | buu | There has to be someway to get these debuffs to move. |
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| 08:46.38 | Grum | <Guillotine> not really <-- it does impact performance |
| 08:47.39 | Guillotine | sorry, I was trying to say that that fact didn't make it pointless to have nested tables |
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| 08:48.33 | Orionshock | >.> |
| 08:48.48 | Orionshock | ...going to need to table recycle the table i get from AceComm....fk |
| 08:49.23 | Grum | AceComm should do that itself |
| 08:49.29 | Grum | but prolly cant :D |
| 08:49.54 | Orionshock | no it can't because im using it in some cases and not in others. |
| 08:53.41 | Xinhuan | is there any method i can get a anonymous texture from a frame |
| 08:53.46 | Xinhuan | that is created in XML |
| 08:56.02 | Xinhuan | aha its getregions() |
| 08:58.14 | Orionshock | Xinhuan: didn't think you could create anony frames in XML |
| 08:58.21 | Xinhuan | you can |
| 08:58.27 | Xinhuan | just don't give it a name="" field |
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| 09:17.15 | Orionshock | if you nil all the keys on a table does it automagicaly nil? |
| 09:17.58 | Kivin | a table occupies memory forever |
| 09:18.04 | Kivin | even if you nil out all of it's contents |
| 09:18.32 | Orionshock | .. so if i do nil all the keys on a table can i assert(tbl == nil) and be ok? |
| 09:18.53 | Kivin | table wont be nil |
| 09:18.59 | Orionshock | >.> |
| 09:19.00 | Kivin | it still points to memory |
| 09:19.05 | Kivin | #table will be 0 |
| 09:19.19 | Xinhuan | table will not be nil |
| 09:19.25 | Xinhuan | if you want to check that a table is empty |
| 09:19.27 | Orionshock | dictionary table so #table dosn't count iirc |
| 09:19.29 | Xinhuan | use next(t) |
| 09:20.02 | Xinhuan | next(t) will return nil if t[] has 0 keys |
| 09:20.09 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.21 | Kivin | looks goo |
| 09:20.22 | Kivin | d |
| 09:21.44 | Nargiddley | Orionshock, what are you actually trying to do ? |
| 09:21.49 | Orionshock | ... :D |
| 09:22.32 | Orionshock | Nargiddley: making sure a table is empty so i can re fill it, and i don't get any extras or duplicates |
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| 09:23.02 | Xinhuan | if you want to make sure a table is nil, just "for k in pairs(t) do t[k] = nil end" |
| 09:23.06 | Xinhuan | gauranteed to be an empty table |
| 09:23.07 | Nargiddley | ok then thats right |
| 09:23.26 | Orionshock | Xinhuan: multi tired table :\ |
| 09:23.41 | Xinhuan | does it matter? it nils out every entry in t[] |
| 09:23.45 | Xinhuan | subtables are lost to the void |
| 09:23.51 | Xinhuan | until GCed |
| 09:23.53 | Orionshock | ...right... |
| 09:24.09 | Orionshock | i' |
| 09:24.11 | Orionshock | i |
| 09:24.20 | Orionshock | i'd rather they be table recycled... |
| 09:24.24 | Ellipsis | ahaha, when did they rename warden iolol? |
| 09:24.33 | Lukian | XD |
| 09:24.37 | Xinhuan | then you need something more specificlly coded |
| 09:24.43 | Xinhuan | with a recursive table recycling |
| 09:24.45 | Orionshock | i do |
| 09:24.45 | Xinhuan | function |
| 09:24.48 | Tekkub | this last patch, the assholes |
| 09:24.55 | Tekkub | I liked Iolol |
| 09:24.57 | Ellipsis | I think Moi'bff Jill is cooler anyway |
| 09:24.58 | Xinhuan | check the 2 functions near the top in BankItems |
| 09:25.12 | Lukian | I love how they changed it to something even less suiting :D |
| 09:25.16 | Thelyna | bah, I should fix my Nagrand guide then |
| 09:29.12 | Xinhuan | check the 2 functions near the top in BankItems for table recycling |
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| 09:36.13 | CIA-8 | - Fix Babble class error due to class being number |
| 09:51.11 | RaydenU | SFK is really easy to clear with a high level mage |
| 09:51.13 | RaydenU | such a cool dungeon |
| 09:51.26 | RaydenU | also the arkinventory bug report every time i open my bags is nifty |
| 09:51.33 | RaydenU | in a "please gouge out my eye" kind of way |
| 09:51.55 | RaydenU | it's not even a bug report, it's a "Please be notified that we fixed this bug." |
| 09:52.48 | SunTsu | RaydenU: What's SFK? |
| 09:53.14 | Xuerian | .... |
| 09:53.34 | Xuerian | I want to say bctard >_> |
| 09:53.36 | Xuerian | I really, really do |
| 09:53.53 | Xuerian | unless it was sarcasm |
| 09:53.58 | Xuerian | in which case that was forgivable >.> |
| 09:54.13 | SunTsu | Xuerian: Excuse me, I am german, I don't really know every english acronym |
| 09:54.25 | Xuerian | SunTsu: My bad XD |
| 09:54.32 | Xuerian | SunTsu: Shadowfang Keep |
| 09:54.41 | SunTsu | Xuerian: Ah, OK, thanks |
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| 09:54.54 | Xuerian | Is ok. Not BC-tard. |
| 09:56.02 | RaydenU | SunTsu shadow fang keep |
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| 09:56.33 | SunTsu | RaydenU: Thanks ;) I know it as BSF "Burg Schattenfang" ;) |
| 09:56.33 | RaydenU | i got in 2 runs: the butcher knife, a mace, the shield, the meteor shard |
| 09:56.40 | RaydenU | oh |
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| 09:56.56 | SunTsu | german, as I said ;) |
| 09:57.37 | RaydenU | heh |
| 09:57.48 | RaydenU | now that i'm in california i find it highly amusing to play with my friend from back east |
| 09:57.52 | RaydenU | it's 2am and we just got off |
| 09:58.24 | Orionshock | final fuking lee i get my t4 sholders |
| 09:58.28 | sag_ich_nicht | SunTsu |
| 09:58.33 | sag_ich_nicht | you're a retard. |
| 09:59.10 | sag_ich_nicht | because that castle was so called Burg Shadowfang before blizzard went insane and got forced by blizzard US to localize EVERYTHING. |
| 09:59.16 | Orionshock | shank'ed HKM in 2 shots :D |
| 09:59.18 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 09:59.37 | sag_ich_nicht | *and blizzard EU got forced |
| 09:59.38 | sag_ich_nicht | fixed |
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| 10:02.59 | SunTsu | sag_ich_nicht: They did a real great Job localizing ;) Ratchett -> Ratschett ;) Jaina Proudmoore -> Jaina Prachtmeer, and so on |
| 10:03.33 | SunTsu | Sometimes makes me want to smack my forehead against the wall |
| 10:07.53 | sag_ich_nicht | SunTsu: i die a little inside each time i hear or read Jaina's localisation. |
| 10:10.39 | SunTsu | sag_ich_nicht: I always wanted to aks who did that, so I can visit him and laugh him in the face.. |
| 10:10.45 | SunTsu | ask even |
| 10:11.12 | SunTsu | I especially love Anvilmar -> Ambossar |
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| 10:13.06 | Dezzimal | Why would you localize placenames and proper nouns :/ |
| 10:13.08 | Dezzimal | to that extent |
| 10:13.36 | Dezzimal | its not like all of europe can't pronounce or read an english placename |
| 10:13.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Dezzimal: ask in the US forums, not us. blizzard EU was forced by blizz US to do so, in the beginning places and names were not localized. |
| 10:14.35 | sag_ich_nicht | it has been said in numerous blueposts that the instructions for this came from the very top of blizzard hierarchy |
| 10:15.20 | sag_ich_nicht | (except for stuff like uh... Shadowfang Keep was changed to Burg Shadowfang, the selfname was kept tho, obviously) |
| 10:21.49 | Dezzimal | reminds me of seeing Burg Neuschwanstein when I was a kid |
| 10:21.58 | Dezzimal | I was too young to appreciate it :/ |
| 10:22.04 | SunTsu | sag_ich_nicht: Maybe they wanted players have a pure native feeling. I can understand localization to some extend, but they changed the whole sound of the names, the whole feeling when reading it |
| 10:22.33 | Orionshock | +spell hit should affect taunt |
| 10:22.41 | Dezzimal | it does for pallies |
| 10:22.47 | Dezzimal | not for warriors any more though |
| 10:22.56 | Orionshock | it's bs |
| 10:23.03 | Dezzimal | wait no I think they changed paladin taunt to melee hit now too |
| 10:23.06 | Dezzimal | its better that way |
| 10:23.29 | Dezzimal | for warriors |
| 10:24.02 | Dezzimal | because its possible to make your taunt unresistable afaik |
| 10:25.23 | Thrae | Which is exactly why all versions of WoW should be in English-only. It's the native language of the develop--oh wait, I forgot Blizzard outsources all their lore to India. So, right. It should all be in Hindi. |
| 10:25.50 | Ozguli` | but if taunt is a melee hit shouldn't it "miss"? |
| 10:26.14 | Ozguli` | melee doesn't get resisted afaik |
| 10:26.54 | Thrae | Taunt is the same as a Feint -- an attack designed to enflame the rational of your opponent. |
| 10:26.55 | Phorbie | Metxen is Indian? |
| 10:27.00 | Phorbie | *Metzen |
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| 10:27.35 | Thrae | A Feint does minimal to no damage, which is like saying to your opponent, "Haha, I so overpower you, I don't even need to hit you that hard". |
| 10:28.33 | |Pixel| | Dezzimal: you'd be surprise to see to which extend french people (who, whatever anything some may say, are still part of Europe) can't pronounce or read an english placename |
| 10:28.37 | Thrae | Another type of Feint is making the motions to strike, then falling back at the last minute, making your opponent look stupid for trying to block. Or, tactically, a feint could be used to make your opponent think you're attacking one way when you really attack another way. |
| 10:29.13 | Phorbie | Thrae: blocking is not stupid |
| 10:29.16 | Thrae | Since it's an attack on an opponent's emotions, it makes perfect sense the opponent can "resist" the effects of a Taunt. |
| 10:29.19 | Phorbie | in any form |
| 10:29.26 | Phorbie | ever. |
| 10:30.11 | Phorbie | even for a feint |
| 10:30.16 | Thrae | Phorbie: I'm just explaining the definitions of "Taunting" and "Feinting" as it comes to combat. |
| 10:30.22 | Dezzimal | I'm not saying pronounce properly |Pixel| |
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| 10:30.47 | |Pixel| | me neither :D |
| 10:30.57 | Phorbie | I understand, but trying to keep yourself alive is always good |
| 10:31.03 | Dezzimal | meh |
| 10:31.13 | Thrae | |Pixel|: Think of the poor French Canadians -- many of their provinces are named after Native Americans. |
| 10:31.14 | Phorbie | unless you thrust your shield way out |
| 10:31.15 | |Pixel| | and I am actually ashamed to see how much french people adopted the new city names |
| 10:31.22 | Thrae | Hell, think of the poor English Canadians. |
| 10:31.23 | Dezzimal | most europeans I know no matter what country their from can speak some english or at least read :/ |
| 10:31.34 | Dezzimal | unlike |
| 10:31.34 | Dezzimal | me |
| 10:31.41 | Dezzimal | because I just misused their |
| 10:31.41 | |Pixel| | Dezzimal: then you don't know much french guys :D |
| 10:31.59 | Dezzimal | yea I only knew one frenchman |
| 10:32.13 | |Pixel| | just go to Paris |
| 10:32.23 | |Pixel| | and try to just... err... do anything |
| 10:32.28 | |Pixel| | in english only |
| 10:32.43 | SunTsu | In france there even is a law against foreign words in the french language... |
| 10:32.45 | Dezzimal | I could see how the french would be protective of their native language |
| 10:33.12 | |Pixel| | oh, yeah, thanks for reminding me |
| 10:33.23 | |Pixel| | I tried hard to forget about this one >_< |
| 10:33.25 | Thrae | Seriously, if you're speaking English, you're already speaking a little bit of French, a little bit of German, a little bit of Latin -- English is a melting pot of languages. Germanic roots, yet adopted so many Latin words. Most of the romanization was caused by the French occupying England for such a long period of time, settling in and creating dialects which merged into the language. |
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| 10:33.41 | Dezzimal | I love norwegians too |
| 10:33.43 | Phorbie | *a lot of frensh, german |
| 10:33.48 | Phorbie | **french |
| 10:34.01 | Dezzimal | pretty sure every norwegian can speak english |
| 10:34.14 | Thrae | The Germanic roots of English came from England being invaded by the Kingdoms of Norway, before the French came and invaded again. |
| 10:35.15 | Thrae | In fact, one could say, English is French with Germanic syntax. |
| 10:35.21 | SunTsu | .o0( A lot of germans can't even speak, well, german... most of them like to demonstrate that extensively in so called "talkshows", which should be appropriately called "riot shows" ) |
| 10:35.42 | Thrae | Just don't say that to the British. They're sensitive. |
| 10:36.26 | Dezzimal | Latin is a great language to learn for anyone |
| 10:36.41 | Dezzimal | through it you can limp your way through pretty much any european language |
| 10:36.43 | Dezzimal | or english |
| 10:37.18 | Thrae | Dezzimal: Not really -- all of the romanic languages ARE mostly similiar, with Latin roots, but English, as said, does not have Latin roots. |
| 10:37.45 | SunTsu | .o0( Romanum eunt domum ;) ) |
| 10:37.45 | Thrae | A Frenchman could go to Spain and fake Spanish, except a Frenchmen would never do that since he's French and hates Spain. |
| 10:38.28 | SunTsu | Thrae: Ân italian would be more sucessful, though |
| 10:39.51 | Dezzimal | I beg to differ though |
| 10:40.14 | Dezzimal | many many english words are traced back to latin |
| 10:40.17 | SunTsu | French can hardly hide their language melody, so having them speak languages other than french is a lot of fun |
| 10:40.29 | Dezzimal | haha yeah |
| 10:40.40 | Dezzimal | I loved the way the french guy I was working with would say "Drop a deuce" |
| 10:41.02 | Dezzimal | I was certain he was going to use silk toilet paper the way he said it |
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| 10:47.06 | Ravagernl | hello :P |
| 10:47.23 | Ravagernl | does anyone know where I can find zork's border? |
| 10:53.23 | Ravagernl | anyone? |
| 10:54.04 | Ellipsis | google might be a good start? |
| 10:56.09 | Grum | start a country called zork |
| 10:56.13 | Grum | then around it you will find the border |
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| 11:01.22 | Keias | Ravagernl, buried deep on the EJ forums |
| 11:01.35 | Keias | like.. Halloween-ish :/ |
| 11:02.13 | Ravagernl | lol, tried googling around, all I seem to be getting is posts from people that want the border texture |
| 11:08.51 | Orionshock | so im off tanking gruul, as a druid, our lead healer dies and inbetween ground slams i brez him ... |
| 11:08.57 | Orionshock | ninjaRez :P |
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| 11:18.57 | Fisker- | ckknight_ ! |
| 11:19.26 | Fisker- | or anyone else that kows cartographer :o |
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| 11:19.55 | Fisker- | you can't report people as afk using cartographer :o |
| 11:20.09 | sag_ich_nicht | wait for 2.3.2 Fisker- |
| 11:20.27 | sag_ich_nicht | also you can use the battle minimap for reporting until then |
| 11:20.46 | nevcairiel | why is carto breaking the reporting anyway? |
| 11:21.24 | sag_ich_nicht | i dunno, but my guess would be blizzards dropdown menus being retarded |
| 11:21.32 | sag_ich_nicht | thus: wait for 2.3.2 |
| 11:21.36 | Orionshock | nevcairiel: because group colors puts a texture over the dot |
| 11:21.47 | nevcairiel | it doesnt |
| 11:21.50 | nevcairiel | it changes the texture |
| 11:22.08 | nevcairiel | (Mapster does that texture thing too, and reporting works fine) |
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| 11:22.53 | Orionshock | 04:20:12 Gruul the Dragonkiller hits you for 9223. (crushing) |
| 11:22.54 | Orionshock | 04:20:13 Gruul the Dragonkiller's Hurtful Strike hits you for 10462. |
| 11:22.58 | Keias | Rofl |
| 11:23.08 | Keias | I hated being melee on gruul |
| 11:23.11 | Keias | cause our OT always died :( |
| 11:23.17 | Keias | And I'd end up being next in line |
| 11:23.36 | Orionshock | solo tanking from 15% -> 9% |
| 11:23.57 | Fisker- | what does 2.3.2 change sag_ich_nicht? |
| 11:24.13 | Fisker- | also it's because carto removes the dropdown menu from the map |
| 11:24.56 | Niklas | Hi, i hope I'm in the right chatroom for my question ;) How do I get the played time of the char? I can't find this function amongst the thousands of functions :) |
| 11:25.12 | Orionshock | www.wowwiki.com/API |
| 11:25.26 | Niklas | oh yes thats where i was too silly to find it :) |
| 11:25.43 | Orionshock | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_RequestTimePlayed |
| 11:26.02 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.04 | Thrae | !api RequestTimePlayed |
| 11:26.05 | Niklas | thanks |
| 11:26.05 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Could not find an example within http://www.wowwiki.com/API_RequestTimePlayed |
| 11:29.46 | Thrae | You know, I love PvP so much, I wonder if I should switch from Feral Druid to Balance/Resto hybrid. |
| 11:30.16 | Thrae | At least then I could participate in Arena and actually kill things in BGs |
| 11:30.50 | |Pixel| | why not feral / resto hybrid ? |
| 11:31.04 | nevcairiel | because feral resto doesnt mix that well..^^ |
| 11:31.12 | Thrae | Exactly as nevcairiel said |
| 11:31.26 | nevcairiel | feral without mangle = dont spec it at all =P |
| 11:31.36 | |Pixel| | hmmhmm |
| 11:31.40 | Dezzimal | feral charge |
| 11:31.44 | Dezzimal | is pretty useful |
| 11:31.53 | sag_ich_nicht | actually for arena restto you skill up to feral charge but no further |
| 11:31.59 | nevcairiel | feral charge is pretty default in a resto arena spec |
| 11:32.07 | sag_ich_nicht | *resto |
| 11:32.11 | nevcairiel | but i wouldnt call that "feral/resto hybdrid" |
| 11:32.35 | Thrae | 11/11/x was the old cookie-cutter pre-2.0 |
| 11:32.47 | Thrae | You gotta love Arena |
| 11:33.02 | Thrae | You gotta love Arena's pigeon-holing for bringing it back |
| 11:34.02 | nevcairiel | we lost AV the other day because no f'ing warrior or feral druid was willing to tank the boss. man i hate that sellfish warriors that are too stupid to find their shield when being off-specced o.O |
| 11:34.18 | nevcairiel | next time i take my feral equip with me and tank |
| 11:34.30 | sag_ich_nicht | [12:23] <Fisker-> what does 2.3.2 change sag_ich_nicht? <--quite a bit in the blizz default UI code to kill tainting :P |
| 11:34.44 | Thrae | Anyway, maybe I'll just respec a lot -- respec to 11/11/x when I do Arenas, then spec to 3x/0/2x |
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| 11:35.22 | Thrae | I always thought being a Feral druid gave you the most flexability, but with new armour sets, especially Resilience, I'm looking into Balance/Resto now |
| 11:36.07 | Thrae | I'd have to fill my bags with more gear, but I bet I could off half-decent tanking, at least OT in a Balance/Resto spec |
| 11:36.27 | Thrae | s#could#could pull# |
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| 11:37.14 | Thrae | The problem I always had with Boomkins though, is the ever looming Oomkin |
| 11:37.48 | Thrae | Even with all the mana reductions and Dreamstate, you'd need to plan your mana VERY carefully...untrue for Ferals, who have an abundance if you get Natural Shapeshifter |
| 11:38.03 | Thrae | Well, they have an abundance to burn off at any given time, just less overall |
| 11:38.14 | Aens|Superiority | uhm |
| 11:38.23 | Aens|Superiority | feral druid has a huge problem with mana |
| 11:38.32 | Aens|Superiority | since you have to shift every time you get snared. |
| 11:39.02 | Thrae | Like I said, Natural Shapeshifter mostly takes care of that...and I'm not just talking PvP |
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| 11:40.18 | Aens|Superiority | and even if mana wasn't an issue. Having to shifting to break CC is almost as big a deal as sitting there while being cc'd as feral. |
| 11:40.49 | buu | So anyway. |
| 11:40.55 | buu | Resto druids are hilariously over powered. |
| 11:41.44 | SunTsu | Aens|Superiority: Why should it? Now you even can use a macro that quaffs a mana potion in between shapeshifts. Or innervate yourself, or do both |
| 11:42.08 | SunTsu | Doen't really have a speed penalty |
| 11:42.15 | Aens|Superiority | SunTsu: because shifting causes you to lose all saved rage/energy. Furor gives you back some, but its not nearly enough. |
| 11:42.37 | Thrae | buu: Healing can't be "overpowered" -- overpoweringness refers to actually overpowering someone. Resto Druids can't kill squat. Balance/Resto druids can. |
| 11:43.24 | Thrae | buu: Of course, if you take out all variables of the PvP equation and just have a 1v1 duel which lasts 30 minutes, and not against a Paladin, you could have a Resto druid winning a fight. |
| 11:43.25 | buu | Thrae: Anyone can kill someone if they don't take damage, even if they only do 1 damage a second. |
| 11:43.31 | SunTsu | Aens|Superiority: OK, in bear form that could be a problem, but not a big one, and as a cat I get 40 energy from the shift, so that's no problem either |
| 11:43.38 | Thrae | 1v1 ~= balance |
| 11:44.19 | sag_ich_nicht | oh god stop the QQ |
| 11:44.47 | Aens|Superiority | SunTsu: how much damage does your mangle do? Most mine has ever done was 2.6k crit on a player. You have no follow up to that till 2 more energy ticks. That doesn't kill anyone. |
| 11:44.54 | sag_ich_nicht | if we're talking about 1on1 feral druids are overpowered, equip tank equip and they are undefeated by 7/9 classes. |
| 11:44.54 | buu | Thrae: Every druid should be resto |
| 11:44.57 | buu | It's pure win. |
| 11:45.21 | Thrae | Yeah, and every Paladin should be a Healadin, it's pure win |
| 11:45.28 | buu | YES |
| 11:45.29 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
| 11:45.32 | sag_ich_nicht | and you should all |
| 11:45.34 | buu | Who can argue? |
| 11:45.35 | sag_ich_nicht | KILL YOURSEL |
| 11:45.35 | sag_ich_nicht | F |
| 11:45.38 | sag_ich_nicht | ISN'T THAT EXCITING? |
| 11:45.47 | buu | I actually lost to a ret pally / warrior some how |
| 11:46.09 | buu | Oh wait, I know how, my druid got damn near one shot. |
| 11:47.10 | sag_ich_nicht | because the ret pala killed 15% of all your stats :P |
| 11:47.10 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 11:47.10 | sag_ich_nicht | i oneshot nearly anything that doesn't have more than 14k hp, if i'm really crit lucky |
| 11:47.10 | sag_ich_nicht | !c EU Gul'dan Ruknor |
| 11:47.13 | ThraeBot | sag_ich_nicht: Ruknor, Level 70 Human Paladin (5/8/48). 8757 HP; 6108 Mana; 91 mana regen; 9113 Armour; 1850 AP; 280.200 Melee DPS; 27.27% melee crit; 100 melee hit; 116 +spell dmg/heal; 6.77% dodge; 5.00% block; 81 resilience;[[ TBR: 1808 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrmjmj ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2uynsq ][ Updated: Fri Dec 28 06:51:24 2007 EST ]] |
| 11:47.36 | sag_ich_nicht | hm seems i logged in pvp gear |
| 11:48.12 | SunTsu | Aens|Superiority: You still are doing damage, because you have attack speed of 1 you still are making decent damage with no special attack, therefore waiting two ticks is not that a big problem. And a lot better than waiting for cc to wear off |
| 11:48.56 | SunTsu | Aens|Superiority: You even can shift again, aka powershift, and you again have 40 energy... |
| 11:49.13 | Aens|Superiority | attack speed of 1, doing about 250 damage white... Yeah. Huge impact. |
| 11:49.32 | Aens|Superiority | and yes, you can power shift, hence my feral druid has problems with mana in pvp arena. |
| 11:49.49 | Aens|Superiority | my statement* |
| 11:50.13 | SunTsu | Aens|Superiority: As I said, you can quaff a potion while doing so, therefore I don't see any problem |
| 11:50.20 | Aens|Superiority | can't in arena |
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| 11:51.04 | Aens|Superiority | sag_ich_nicht: weekend ret pally in my guild. http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kel'Thuzad&n=Burnout |
| 11:51.43 | SunTsu | Aens|Superiority: Still I don't see any problem, not that you always are full of energy when attacking |
| 11:52.04 | SunTsu | Aens|Superiority: So your druid isn't hopeless overpowered. What a pity |
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| 11:52.34 | SunTsu | Anyway, time for some food |
| 11:52.45 | Aens|Superiority | oh, I dont pvp feral. Tried it and couldn't break 2k rating. With resto its much better. |
| 11:53.35 | Aens|Superiority | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kel%27Thuzad&n=Superiority |
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| 11:56.35 | buu | Aens|Superiority: Pro. |
| 11:57.36 | sag_ich_nicht | [12:51] <Aens|Superiority> sag_ich_nicht: weekend ret pally in my guild. http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kel'Thuzad&n=Burnout <--you can tell him that he needs 5 hitrating more to hit the hitcap with that equip :P |
| 11:58.19 | Aens|Superiority | he doesn't pve ret, only pvp. Thats too much hit for pvp |
| 11:58.32 | sag_ich_nicht | true |
| 12:01.02 | Aens|Superiority | and if you were pve, you need 155 hit to never miss, not 95 |
| 12:01.17 | Aens|Superiority | 135 is acceptable though. |
| 12:01.45 | sag_ich_nicht | nope. |
| 12:01.46 | sag_ich_nicht | you don't. |
| 12:02.13 | Aens|Superiority | 95 is the old number before they changed weapon skill to expertise |
| 12:02.20 | sag_ich_nicht | dont confuse dual wield with non-dual wield, you need 142 hitrating without the precision talent and 95 with the precision talent, since precision grants +3% hit. |
| 12:02.33 | Aens|Superiority | with dual wield, you need 350 hit rating. |
| 12:03.27 | sag_ich_nicht | no it isn't, the old number was 48 with precision and 95 with precision, and for dual wield you need 442 actually, without any +hit talents, depending on your +hit talents it's less of course. |
| 12:03.38 | Aens|Superiority | w/e, i'm not including talents. |
| 12:03.43 | sag_ich_nicht | s/and 95 with/and 95 without/ |
| 12:04.06 | sag_ich_nicht | without +hit talents you need 442 hitrating with dualwield to have no misses :) |
| 12:04.17 | sag_ich_nicht | (against a level 73 mob/boss) |
| 12:06.03 | sag_ich_nicht | a combat/swords rogue would normaly have +5% hit from talents, so he would need 363 hitrating to hit the hitcap :) |
| 12:06.16 | sag_ich_nicht | dunno about fury warriors atm, lemme check |
| 12:08.46 | sag_ich_nicht | hm fury warriors would be 395 since they get 3%, and melee shamans would need 347 since they get 6% +hit |
| 12:08.58 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 12:11.20 | nevcairiel | i've too much hit on my feral gear :( |
| 12:11.48 | sag_ich_nicht | o rly |
| 12:12.10 | nevcairiel | i dont even raid as feral, so i rarely encounter anything higher then 71 |
| 12:12.26 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 12:12.40 | nevcairiel | and i have like 140 hit |
| 12:12.46 | sag_ich_nicht | http://sp00n.pytalhost.com/wow/weaponskill.htm there you go, just leave the weaponskill at 350, feral weapon counts as 1h. |
| 12:12.47 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 12:12.54 | sag_ich_nicht | you're close to the level 73 hitcap then :P |
| 12:12.57 | sag_ich_nicht | go get 142 :P |
| 12:13.17 | sag_ich_nicht | (always round up, because WoW floors) |
| 12:13.45 | nevcairiel | i need some expertise for full 100% hit |
| 12:14.38 | nevcairiel | 148 hit rating .. doh :P |
| 12:14.56 | sag_ich_nicht | whatn |
| 12:15.00 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 12:15.00 | thul | does the crit/hit-article on fury warriors count for combat rogues? |
| 12:15.00 | sag_ich_nicht | oh i see |
| 12:15.02 | thul | http://sp00n.pytalhost.com/wow/weaponskill.htm |
| 12:15.08 | thul | bah |
| 12:15.11 | thul | wrong window focused :-( |
| 12:15.24 | sag_ich_nicht | hm? thul just put the +hit in percent from talents into the box there :P |
| 12:15.45 | sag_ich_nicht | [13:13] <nevcairiel> i need some expertise for full 100% hit <--88 expertise, if i remember correctly, lemme check |
| 12:15.53 | nevcairiel | i have 20 now |
| 12:15.56 | nevcairiel | thats 1.27% |
| 12:16.00 | thul | well, I read an article about hits and crits being taken from the same pool for warrior |
| 12:16.02 | nevcairiel | er, 1.25 |
| 12:16.03 | thul | s |
| 12:16.09 | nevcairiel | so 88 makes sense |
| 12:16.09 | thul | (i guess that is how it is for all classes) |
| 12:16.38 | sag_ich_nicht | thul: you are refering to the attack table |
| 12:16.41 | nevcairiel | lua> 88*125/20 |
| 12:16.44 | nevcairiel | hrm |
| 12:16.50 | thul | sag_ich_nicht: yes |
| 12:16.55 | nevcairiel | 5.5%, yeah thats it |
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| 12:17.06 | sag_ich_nicht | actually, you need 91 from what i read now |
| 12:17.27 | nevcairiel | oh well that 3 points |
| 12:17.39 | nevcairiel | wonder if armory updates when i logout with feral stuff now |
| 12:18.07 | nevcairiel | i got that BT chest from supremus last night, thats why i have way too much hit now |
| 12:18.32 | Thrae | !help c |
| 12:18.32 | ThraeBot | !c <eu/us> <server> <character name> -- Shows player info from Armory |
| 12:18.49 | nevcairiel | !c eu antonidas nevcairiel |
| 12:18.51 | ThraeBot | nevcairiel: Nevcairiel, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (1/0/60). 8534 HP; 4100 Mana; 107 mana regen; 32 mp5; 2355 AP; 245.300 Melee DPS; 24.07% melee crit; 148 melee hit; 30.48% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1326 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yqhy7q ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/32vjf8 ][ Updated: Fri Dec 28 07:23:02 2007 EST ]] |
| 12:18.58 | nevcairiel | yeah it updated :P |
| 12:19.01 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: i wouldn't call 6 hit rating above the hitcap too much |
| 12:19.08 | thul | http://evilempireguild.org/guides/attacks.php ftw |
| 12:19.17 | sag_ich_nicht | i mean i'm over the hitcap myself by 5 points |
| 12:20.00 | sag_ich_nicht | and i'm hunting for more +hit because i'll probably get T5 shoulders soon(and i'm still running around with ragesteel shoulders because T4 never dropped, talk about upgrades) |
| 12:20.44 | thul | does rogues yellow attacks have less miss rate just as warriors? |
| 12:20.46 | nevcairiel | i have the karazhan chess chest shoulders .. hmm .. wonder if i can get some rogue stuff soon |
| 12:21.25 | nevcairiel | good that our rogues are pretty much done with loot |
| 12:21.30 | thul | ah, yes, they do |
| 12:22.05 | sag_ich_nicht | <--still wiping on vashj, raid is on hiatus for christmas, and still haven't seen TK from the inside :( |
| 12:22.05 | thul | so, as a rogue, attacking from behind, stacking +crit is nice, especially for combat-dagger rogues.. since +crit will "fill up" the +hit part of the table? |
| 12:22.36 | nevcairiel | no it wont. if you miss, you miss. if you miss, you cant crit :P |
| 12:22.36 | Ozguli` | mhm.. wtf |
| 12:22.41 | sag_ich_nicht | correct. |
| 12:22.46 | Ozguli` | can't disable quartz for some characters only |
| 12:22.51 | sag_ich_nicht | (what nevcairiel said, that is) |
| 12:22.52 | Ozguli` | it's either on or off |
| 12:23.06 | thul | so, right now I have about 50% crit unbuffed for backstabs. |
| 12:23.17 | thul | hmm, maybe I'll try combat daggers in the next raid |
| 12:23.27 | SunTsu | thul: A crit is per definition a full hit. So, "no hit no crit" |
| 12:23.44 | thul | SunTsu: hmm, no? |
| 12:23.52 | thul | "The way WoW calculates crit rate is over ALL attacks. Crit rate is not based on hits only. In other words, if you have a 5% crit rate, that 5% chance includes misses." |
| 12:23.55 | SunTsu | thul: The crit rate only counts for the strikes that actually hit |
| 12:23.58 | thul | no? |
| 12:24.03 | thul | or, is wowwiki wrong? |
| 12:24.13 | nevcairiel | i think you understand that wrong |
| 12:24.20 | thul | hmm, ok |
| 12:24.57 | thul | Every melee attack (except for yellow-damage special attacks dealt by players, as described in the next section) has a chance to miss, to be dodged, to be parried, to be blocked, to be a glancing blow, to be a critical, and to be a crushing blow. Anything left over is an ordinary hit. <- that is what i base my thinking on |
| 12:24.59 | nevcairiel | it just says that a 50% crit chance will count for every attack, so a miss could've been a crit, if you hit. |
| 12:25.03 | SunTsu | thul: well, you might have made a crit, if you had hit |
| 12:25.08 | thul | "left over is hit" |
| 12:25.15 | thul | so, if I fill up with crit, I need less hit? |
| 12:25.29 | SunTsu | thul: no |
| 12:25.32 | sag_ich_nicht | actually he might have a point there, but i doubt it. |
| 12:25.33 | nevcairiel | miss is the first in the row |
| 12:25.38 | SunTsu | thul: What does miss can't crit |
| 12:25.53 | sag_ich_nicht | ah right i remember now |
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| 12:26.03 | thul | yes, miss is first, and then dodge etc |
| 12:26.06 | thul | but crit is before hit? |
| 12:26.07 | sag_ich_nicht | thul: basicially, hit sits at the top of the attack table. |
| 12:26.10 | thul | yes |
| 12:26.13 | thul | last priority |
| 12:26.15 | sag_ich_nicht | no, it isn't. hit is above it. |
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| 12:26.33 | thul | bah, wowwiki is wrong then? |
| 12:26.36 | nevcairiel | you can only push the end of the list off the table |
| 12:26.40 | sag_ich_nicht | you can't push it off, even if you have 100% crit. |
| 12:26.45 | nevcairiel | you cannot remove "miss" with more crit |
| 12:26.56 | nevcairiel | because miss is the first |
| 12:26.59 | SunTsu | thul: hit is the basic melee thing. A strike that misses could have been a crit, if it wasn't a miss |
| 12:27.02 | Dezzimal | testable on loatheb |
| 12:27.21 | sag_ich_nicht | everything is testable on loatheb |
| 12:27.24 | sag_ich_nicht | even your mom. |
| 12:27.41 | nevcairiel | http://evilempireguild.org/guides/attacks.php <-- look there, the "Precedence" part. first it checks for miss. if it misses, nothing else can happen. |
| 12:27.45 | Dezzimal | don't you have some jews to burn? |
| 12:27.56 | nevcairiel | if you have enough crit, you can push normal hit off the table |
| 12:27.58 | nevcairiel | but nothing else |
| 12:28.31 | thul | <- jew |
| 12:28.35 | sag_ich_nicht | yes, if you have enough crit ALL your hits will either be CRIT or DODGE. |
| 12:28.36 | thul | and i don't feel like burning |
| 12:28.39 | Industrial | How do I make a .bat "return to the shell" ? |
| 12:28.47 | Dezzimal | take it up with sag_ich_nicht |
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| 12:29.06 | Dezzimal | he's der fuhrer |
| 12:29.21 | sag_ich_nicht | s/enough crit/enough hit and crit/ |
| 12:29.24 | SunTsu | .o0( Talk about godwin and his law ) |
| 12:29.31 | Industrial | How do I make a .bat "return to the shell" eg not close the window? |
| 12:29.37 | Industrial | :> |
| 12:29.44 | sag_ich_nicht | Industrial uhm |
| 12:29.56 | sag_ich_nicht | you can do uh |
| 12:29.56 | sag_ich_nicht | hold |
| 12:30.08 | sag_ich_nicht | either have it call cmd.exe or command.com |
| 12:30.09 | sag_ich_nicht | or |
| 12:30.19 | sag_ich_nicht | if you just want the window to stay open because you want to read the output |
| 12:30.28 | Thrae | Industrial: just have the last line do cmd, or if you want to read it, then "pause" |
| 12:30.35 | Dezzimal | pipe it to a text file |
| 12:30.37 | sag_ich_nicht | PAUSE was the one. |
| 12:30.49 | sag_ich_nicht | i forgot that already again :P |
| 12:30.49 | Industrial | right just cmd works |
| 12:30.57 | sag_ich_nicht | Industrial: or have it call PAUSE |
| 12:30.57 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 12:31.03 | Industrial | sag_ich_nicht: but i want the shell :> |
| 12:31.04 | sag_ich_nicht | then it will go "press any key to continue" |
| 12:31.06 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 12:31.11 | Industrial | ^^ thanks anyway |
| 12:32.34 | sag_ich_nicht | hint: i am NOT watching The Ark of Truth. |
| 12:32.35 | sag_ich_nicht | like |
| 12:32.38 | sag_ich_nicht | TOTALLY not watching it. |
| 12:32.40 | sag_ich_nicht | really. |
| 12:32.42 | sag_ich_nicht | i swear. |
| 12:33.56 | sag_ich_nicht | gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah it's interlaced |
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| 12:35.55 | Fisker- | anyone know how i can see the local time in unix? |
| 12:36.08 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 12:36.09 | sag_ich_nicht | where. |
| 12:36.13 | |Pixel| | 'date' ? |
| 12:36.13 | Fisker- | console |
| 12:36.15 | sag_ich_nicht | in WoW? |
| 12:36.20 | Fisker- | yay |Pixel| |
| 12:36.56 | Fisker- | any app for linux that can sync it with a timeserver? |
| 12:37.28 | sag_ich_nicht | sure |
| 12:37.38 | Codayus | Um, millions. You'd probably be looking for something related to NTP. |
| 12:37.44 | Fisker- | yeah i know |
| 12:37.44 | SunTsu | Fisker-: ntp, ntpdate |
| 12:37.52 | Fisker- | yeha |
| 12:37.53 | Fisker- | just found it |
| 12:39.11 | Fisker- | for some reason my server was 2 hours off all of a sudden :O |
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| 12:53.37 | Orionshock | raiding it's a test of paitiance vs the passive stupidity of others. |
| 12:54.08 | sag_ich_nicht | yes. |
| 12:54.19 | sag_ich_nicht | except it's spelled patience. |
| 12:54.23 | sag_ich_nicht | stupid. |
| 12:55.07 | Orionshock | lock bitches that healers are bunching up on north side, in gruul's, main healer bites back at lock with the idea that he can go fk himself that it's a random punt |
| 12:55.21 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.53 | sag_ich_nicht | which grow do you normally kill him in |
| 12:56.03 | Orionshock | 18 |
| 12:56.29 | SunTsu | Orionshock: wtf? |
| 12:56.33 | sag_ich_nicht | we kill him 9th. tell your lock that he needs to stfu and do more damage or i'll get on the vent and flame him personally that he's too retarded to do damage. |
| 12:56.51 | thul | i want trainable shadowstep :-( |
| 12:56.56 | SunTsu | I hardly survive grow 15 |
| 12:57.06 | Orionshock | ya... |
| 12:57.12 | Orionshock | well... we suck ... |
| 12:57.17 | sag_ich_nicht | obviously. |
| 12:57.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Orionshock |
| 12:57.29 | sag_ich_nicht | i suggest you install the addon Scrub from the SVN |
| 12:57.33 | sag_ich_nicht | and do a /scrub raid |
| 12:57.36 | sag_ich_nicht | with all your raid in range |
| 12:57.42 | sag_ich_nicht | and then flame the living shit out of everyone. |
| 12:57.47 | Orionshock | lol |
| 12:57.53 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm serious. |
| 12:58.07 | thul | I'm trying http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Balnazzar&n=Thyve <- that spec in bgs now sag_ich_nicht .. :-P |
| 12:58.08 | sag_ich_nicht | i bet half your raid is specced shitty |
| 12:58.12 | SunTsu | Orionshock: But your tanks and healers seem to be allright if they can stay alive until grow 18 |
| 12:58.34 | Orionshock | fkers who can't use proximity monitor |
| 12:59.31 | sag_ich_nicht | i can have 4 people in range and still nobody dies, Orionshock. |
| 12:59.33 | sag_ich_nicht | your raid just sucks. |
| 12:59.42 | sag_ich_nicht | go install Scrub now, so you may bring it to salvation. |
| 13:00.22 | thul | I just doubt that my arena-friends will let me arena like that :-( |
| 13:00.26 | sag_ich_nicht | thul: no. get hemo. |
| 13:00.56 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 13:01.15 | sag_ich_nicht | uses less energy which allows you a better attack rotation than with sinister strike |
| 13:01.45 | thul | sag_ich_nicht: I use backstab with that build.. :-P |
| 13:01.50 | thul | but the argument ofcourse stands. |
| 13:01.55 | thul | I'm just fooling around in wsg. |
| 13:02.03 | thul | berserker buff + shadowstep+mod++++ |
| 13:02.06 | sag_ich_nicht | duh, but you can't always get behind your enemy, even with imp. gouge |
| 13:02.11 | thul | 5k ambush + 3k backstab ftw |
| 13:02.13 | thul | that is true |
| 13:02.20 | sag_ich_nicht | i normaly go |
| 13:02.24 | Orionshock | sag_ich_nicht: ...ya doing that would be detamental to the raid |
| 13:02.29 | Klazar | does Epeen publish pvp kills too guild chat live or as a cut/paste function ? |
| 13:02.41 | Orionshock | our lock and druid couple are bad enough |
| 13:03.50 | Orionshock | raiding is less about epeen'n the raid and more about following directions and sound stratagies |
| 13:04.08 | sag_ich_nicht | wait for close to energy tick shadowstep ambush hemo backstab, hemo increases the damage of backstab, if he turns around fast enough gouge instead of hemo then backstab. |
| 13:04.14 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.23 | thul | sag_ich_nicht: i want shadowstep as trainable, and i want mutilate position req removed, AND i want resilienceignorance on daggers :-P |
| 13:04.27 | thul | sag_ich_nicht: hmm, I'll try that |
| 13:04.58 | sag_ich_nicht | you better have an energy tick timer :P |
| 13:05.25 | Orionshock | thul: shadow step dosn't need to be trainable |
| 13:05.36 | Orionshock | no fn reason why |
| 13:05.55 | thul | sag_ich_nicht: ofc i have |
| 13:06.00 | thul | energy watch 2 :-P |
| 13:06.09 | thul | Orionshock: no fn reason to get ice block trainable either |
| 13:06.16 | thul | so, give me shadowstep, that solves the mobility problem :-P |
| 13:06.18 | Orionshock | i agree |
| 13:06.59 | thul | 5cp evisc = 302 damage |
| 13:07.00 | thul | yehaw |
| 13:07.01 | thul | :-P |
| 13:07.05 | Orionshock | .. how bout we make all our "spell" tallents trainable and get new ones... |
| 13:07.27 | sag_ich_nicht | shadowstep trainable... no. |
| 13:07.32 | Orionshock | ya that makes perfect sense , lets do a way with talents alltogeather and all be the same class with different names |
| 13:07.32 | thul | well, i'm not asking for mutilate trainable :-P i just want lolstep :-D |
| 13:07.33 | Orionshock | sure... |
| 13:07.35 | sag_ich_nicht | maybe in WotLK |
| 13:07.37 | sag_ich_nicht | but not now. |
| 13:07.51 | sag_ich_nicht | also shadowstep is not really that good atm |
| 13:07.54 | sag_ich_nicht | gimme 2.3.2 |
| 13:07.56 | sag_ich_nicht | THEN it's good. |
| 13:07.57 | Orionshock | grate idea... wait this is familiar.. warcraftII ... oh yeah , i uninstalled that game |
| 13:08.15 | thul | Orionshock: you are just off bounds. |
| 13:08.23 | thul | sag_ich_nicht: i just want daggers to be viable. |
| 13:08.29 | thul | cut energy cost on backstab to 45-50 |
| 13:09.08 | Orionshock | i want a game that i can enjoy from time to time with out having the urge to want to find you in real life and put a slege hammer though your teeth.. but meh, wouldn't be wow if i didnt :D |
| 13:09.24 | sag_ich_nicht | actually, no, just have a 50% proc that can have backstab have the next backstab cost 50% less energy. |
| 13:09.32 | thul | or something like that |
| 13:09.44 | thul | or, "on crit" |
| 13:09.48 | thul | something that makes backstab tempting |
| 13:09.49 | sag_ich_nicht | or that |
| 13:09.50 | Orionshock | why? |
| 13:09.58 | Orionshock | the fundamental of a rouge is stunlock |
| 13:10.03 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.15 | Orionshock | and it's sustaned dmg output in pve |
| 13:10.18 | thul | yes, damage is not important |
| 13:10.19 | thul | :-) |
| 13:10.21 | Orionshock | don't like it suck a rock |
| 13:10.35 | thul | well, in 5v5 arena, people expect me to output damage |
| 13:10.36 | thul | lots of it |
| 13:10.44 | thul | AND interrupt healing AND lockdown people |
| 13:10.51 | Orionshock | then they are bringing the wrong class |
| 13:11.01 | Orionshock | they don't understand how rogues work |
| 13:11.48 | thul | hehe |
| 13:12.08 | thul | Orionshock: so, how should rogues work in pvp? no burst damage? no real damage at all? just stunlockers that hope that others will do the damage? ;-) |
| 13:12.11 | Thrae | Remove all damage-dealing abilities from a Rogue except one -- "Lucky Shot" -- 50% chance of instant death to either the target or the user. |
| 13:12.20 | thul | hehe |
| 13:12.42 | Orionshock | rogues in pvp, burst , crit, stunlock ~50% dmg output from pve spec'ed |
| 13:12.42 | sag_ich_nicht | actually i want an attack like that. |
| 13:12.55 | thul | I have to admit that my current spec is lots of fun in bgs, shadowstep IS a very nice mobility buff, but i just highly doubt that my arena-guys want me like this:P |
| 13:13.17 | sag_ich_nicht | 51 point talent for ret, but only usable when the enemy is below 5% percent hp. |
| 13:13.29 | thul | hehe |
| 13:13.54 | sag_ich_nicht | useable on bosses, of course. |
| 13:14.01 | sag_ich_nicht | would prevent 1% wipes a lot. |
| 13:14.21 | thul | haha |
| 13:14.33 | SunTsu | sag_ich_nicht: Something like warrior's execute? |
| 13:15.38 | Orionshock | imo, i'd like to take more of the math out of wow... it cheepens the game play imo |
| 13:16.10 | sag_ich_nicht | SunTsu: yeah, except more insane. |
| 13:16.12 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.43 | sag_ich_nicht | i'd just find a way to calc the real amount of int it grants. |
| 13:16.53 | sag_ich_nicht | i always find a way. |
| 13:17.01 | thul | I want turin cloth |
| 13:17.11 | SunTsu | I like taking a warrior to SL.... Chain executing Murmur is great fun |
| 13:17.46 | thul | I have to lvl my warrior some more tomorrow |
| 13:18.14 | Orionshock | anyways, TBC ruined the game with 10man raids end of story. with smaller raid groups those who sorta could lead found out that they do suck at it and thus cause more bullshit to churn than with 40man raids where those that DO lead ARE leading and only those that can raid do raid |
| 13:18.35 | sag_ich_nicht | HEH. |
| 13:18.47 | Orionshock | thus why do you think 70% of guilds never make it past Gruul's? |
| 13:19.14 | sag_ich_nicht | because guilds are dumb. just do what we do in europe, have guilds seperated from raids. |
| 13:19.20 | Orionshock | too much CRI compounded by ID10T errors everywhere... often being cause by PEBKACs |
| 13:19.20 | sag_ich_nicht | prevents drama |
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| 13:19.31 | sag_ich_nicht | and drama is the downfall of most raids |
| 13:19.37 | sag_ich_nicht | 40 man raiding had more idiots, gimps and BULLSHIT than BC ever had |
| 13:19.43 | sag_ich_nicht | because nobody noticed if you were afk with 40 man. |
| 13:20.06 | Orionshock | sag_ich_nicht: the encounters at the starting lvl where designed around that tho |
| 13:20.16 | sag_ich_nicht | so? |
| 13:20.20 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't give a fuck :P |
| 13:20.30 | sag_ich_nicht | fucking slackers need to gtfo raiding |
| 13:20.41 | sag_ich_nicht | thus: install Scrub, Orionshock :P |
| 13:20.47 | Orionshock | ya well... not everyone is perfect |
| 13:20.52 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah. |
| 13:21.05 | sag_ich_nicht | but i expect them to get as close to it as is possible for them. |
| 13:21.14 | Orionshock | lol |
| 13:21.34 | sag_ich_nicht | s/them to get/them to try to get/ |
| 13:21.37 | thul | pebcak |
| 13:21.40 | thul | is the only answer |
| 13:22.15 | Orionshock | well not understanding that raiding is a 2nd job and a bitch of a master is one of the main problems plaguing KZ.. too much CRI.... |
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| 13:27.38 | thul | BoM, berserkerbuff, shadowstepambush on cloth |
| 13:27.40 | thul | i love it :-P |
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| 13:31.21 | thul | hehe, I have to get more res:P |
| 13:31.31 | sag_ich_nicht | so do i |
| 13:31.47 | sag_ich_nicht | 81 :/ |
| 13:33.01 | sag_ich_nicht | need the S3 non-set epics, the necklace, the rings, etc. |
| 13:33.45 | thul | i got 160 |
| 13:33.54 | sag_ich_nicht | double of what i got :P |
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| 13:34.00 | sag_ich_nicht | and still to little :P |
| 13:34.02 | sag_ich_nicht | *too |
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| 13:35.30 | thul | moha, 4700 ambush :-P |
| 13:35.34 | thul | poor lock |
| 13:35.41 | sag_ich_nicht | lol insta gib |
| 13:37.00 | nevcairiel | 4700? thats only like 1/3 of the locks HP .. nothing special =P |
| 13:37.55 | thul | hehe |
| 13:38.03 | thul | well, he had 60% hp left and died |
| 13:38.12 | thul | so i guess not a too well geared lock :-P |
| 13:38.23 | thul | just turned 70 i guess |
| 13:38.44 | thul | 3-4k ambush + 2-3k backstab does take a bite out of the hp of clothies. |
| 13:39.40 | sag_ich_nicht | 4k would take out little less than half of mine HP... but you're not going to ambush for 4k on plate 8D |
| 13:40.17 | thul | ofc not. |
| 13:40.28 | thul | 2300 with berserker on plate |
| 13:40.31 | thul | just half of that :/ |
| 13:41.58 | thul | haha |
| 13:42.01 | thul | shadowstep is so hehe |
| 13:42.33 | thul | running out of flagroom in wsg, just before i hit the corner, shadowstep back to the healer, the melee people run around the corner to get me, I assrape the healer :-D |
| 13:42.35 | sag_ich_nicht | shadowstep fucks me over half ot the time, gimme 2.3.2 so i don't |
| 13:42.48 | thul | hehe |
| 13:42.50 | thul | what is wrong? |
| 13:42.51 | sag_ich_nicht | *so it doesn't |
| 13:43.00 | sag_ich_nicht | shadowstep on a moving target doesn't do shit. |
| 13:43.05 | sag_ich_nicht | because he moves out of ambush range. |
| 13:43.17 | sag_ich_nicht | 2.3.2 fixes that because it gives a temp. movement speed buff |
| 13:43.26 | thul | ah true |
| 13:43.28 | thul | good point |
| 13:43.31 | thul | nice |
| 13:43.33 | thul | when does 2.3 hit? |
| 13:43.35 | thul | 2.3.2 |
| 13:43.41 | sag_ich_nicht | next year. |
| 13:43.45 | thul | hehe |
| 13:43.46 | sag_ich_nicht | (heh) |
| 13:43.53 | Funkeh` | smart guy |
| 13:44.44 | thul | well, reading time! |
| 13:44.47 | thul | illiad awaits me |
| 13:44.52 | thul | (no, not illidan :-P ) |
| 13:45.53 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
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| 13:57.02 | Varazir[NA] | Hmm When I connect a usb hub then a hdd after that the hdd dosn't get automounten |
| 13:57.31 | sag_ich_nicht | USB powered hub or does the hub have it's own power supply? |
| 13:57.44 | Varazir[NA] | own |
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| 13:58.55 | sag_ich_nicht | then i dunno |
| 14:03.54 | Varazir[NA] | the hub should be connected to the lower port ? |
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| 14:34.38 | Nefarion | anyone know where i might find info on guild bank api? the 2.3 changes thread doesn't contain any info.. |
| 14:35.06 | Nefarion | ..and the wowwiki pages are all blank or vague |
| 14:35.43 | kaugummi | blizzard UI |
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| 14:39.34 | Fisker- | thirteenth time's the charm |
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| 15:02.48 | Chosi | is there some lootinfo like addon that displays all setitems, where they drop and which ones you already have? |
| 15:04.22 | Xuerian | AtlasLoot does teh first two things |
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| 15:04.53 | Chosi | i have some difficulties integrating atlasloot into cartographer :S |
| 15:08.08 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 15:08.09 | sag_ich_nicht | don't. |
| 15:08.21 | Xuerian | Alats&AtlasLoot |
| 15:08.26 | Xuerian | Cart is horrible-sucky at instances. |
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| 15:08.47 | sag_ich_nicht | lol. |
| 15:08.47 | sag_ich_nicht | 12/28/07 16:08:22> You have requested to trade with Ruknor. |
| 15:08.47 | sag_ich_nicht | 12/28/07 16:08:22> Ruknor is busy right now. |
| 15:08.53 | sag_ich_nicht | hint: my char=Ruknor |
| 15:09.03 | Xuerian | locationfu already is aware of atlasloot |
| 15:09.11 | Xuerian | *atlas |
| 15:09.16 | Xuerian | and lol |
| 15:11.52 | CIA-8 | 03jerry * r57587 10Links/Links.lua: Links: new API to add entries to the right-click menu. Credits to damjau. |
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| 15:12.29 | Matrix110 | anyone familiar with Java? :P |
| 15:12.37 | Matrix110 | need some advice how to solve my problem |
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| 15:13.48 | Matrix110 | http://www.pastey.net/79689 ive got NO clue how this should work (this is not exactly Java so public etc. isnt needed) |
| 15:13.54 | Polarina | Ask your question in #java |
| 15:13.58 | Matrix110 | good idea:P |
| 15:14.03 | Fisker- | i will destroy you all |
| 15:14.18 | Polarina | Matrix110: And don't ask if anyone there knows Java. |
| 15:14.27 | Matrix110 | :P |
| 15:16.24 | Osstia | Who buys enterprise software for christmas? I havea vendor that keep spamming me with Holiday Sale Prices!!! |
| 15:19.05 | dodga | Matrix110: What are you trying to do? Call the constructor from the parent class? |
| 15:19.25 | Matrix110 | Yes but i want the new constructor to just expect 2 variables instead of 4 |
| 15:19.50 | dodga | Tricky :D |
| 15:20.33 | dodga | Actually.. if you create an instance of the ABC class with 4 parameters, it should call the parents constructor (because you did not overload it) |
| 15:20.43 | dodga | If that's not what you want, you need to overload it |
| 15:25.27 | sb | mhh is it possible to repeat keystrokes on another machine? (over lan) - e.g. i want to press ctrl-F5 here and other mashine should 'press' "w" |
| 15:26.31 | sb | (want to control 2nd char with one keyboard :p) |
| 15:29.49 | deltron | there's apps that do that |
| 15:30.05 | sb | hm yes |
| 15:30.06 | sb | name? :P |
| 15:30.12 | Fisker- | btw |
| 15:30.15 | Fisker- | against the ToS |
| 15:30.19 | Fisker- | SUCK IT DOWN |
| 15:30.20 | sb | oh? damn :( |
| 15:30.43 | sb | Fisker-: are you sure? |
| 15:30.51 | SunTsu | sb: synergy does that |
| 15:30.55 | Fisker- | yes |
| 15:31.12 | Fisker- | and don't let those multiboxing faggots tell you otherwise |
| 15:31.26 | Fisker- | they just believe because multiboxing is ok using all sort of apps for it is ok too |
| 15:31.49 | SunTsu | I only know one who does multiboxing and he actually uses two keyboards and mice ;) |
| 15:31.59 | sb | meh, sucks :p |
| 15:32.04 | sb | i only need that stuff for 2 hours |
| 15:32.05 | thul | hmm |
| 15:32.08 | sb | pally FoL spam :p |
| 15:32.23 | Fisker- | i doubt you would be discovered |
| 15:32.49 | thul | what is up with american, young, neo-cons nuthugging ann coulter |
| 15:32.53 | sb | and if... pally is not ony my accunt :p |
| 15:32.54 | thul | (that is, if she had nuts) |
| 15:36.13 | sdouble | ann coulter seems to be cool to this big radio show guy, Mancow |
| 15:36.34 | sdouble | and since no one can build their own opinions and instead use other's... She's cool. |
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| 15:36.49 | CIA-8 | 03pericles * r57595 10InventoryOnPar/InventoryOnPar.lua: |
| 15:36.49 | CIA-8 | InventoryOnPar: |
| 15:36.50 | CIA-8 | - |
| 15:36.50 | CIA-8 | Updated to v8.01 |
| 15:36.50 | CIA-8 | Fixed bug when it viewed slotted epic gem |
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| 15:37.48 | thul | I'm sad |
| 15:38.06 | thul | people like michael moore and ann coulter are the heroes of a new generation of leftistignorasmuses and rightistignorasmuses |
| 15:38.56 | sdouble | thul, how old are you? 25-30? |
| 15:39.07 | thul | yes |
| 15:39.10 | sdouble | same |
| 15:39.27 | sdouble | I've noticed at this age, everyone has the same opinion about how "terrible" things are turning |
| 15:39.32 | sdouble | ie: music, heroes, etc |
| 15:39.36 | EvilJohn- | heh |
| 15:39.37 | thul | hehe, yeah.. |
| 15:39.45 | sdouble | I do believe this is the same way our parents were |
| 15:39.46 | deltron | :) |
| 15:39.52 | deltron | we're getting old!@ |
| 15:39.54 | EvilJohn- | yeah, that's true |
| 15:39.55 | sdouble | indeed. |
| 15:40.04 | thul | but politicans are more worried about blue/red than right/wrong.. they care more about party lines, party friends than about ideology, continuity and what is right |
| 15:40.28 | Codayus | thul: *shrug* |
| 15:40.31 | thul | people like moore and coulter are dogmatically polarizing any attempt of debate.. |
| 15:40.44 | thul | I'm glad we have things like beyond belief and ted-talks :-P |
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| 15:40.45 | Codayus | Tell me, what other lessons have you learned during your stay with us on planet Earth? |
| 15:40.47 | EvilJohn- | that's politics |
| 15:40.58 | sdouble | yeah, because they couldn't possibly be wrong. it has to be the other person! |
| 15:41.00 | EvilJohn- | every side has their anne coulter |
| 15:41.02 | dylanm | Not "any" attempt at debate. |
| 15:41.17 | Codayus | Go read some of the election campaign material from during the Civil War. |
| 15:41.20 | dylanm | I don't think either is particularly awesome but Coulter is kind of in her own little category. |
| 15:41.26 | deltron | ann coulter is such a troll |
| 15:41.42 | Codayus | We airbrush history, then act surprised when events don't match our fiction. :-/ |
| 15:41.44 | thul | people doesen't seem to care about facts |
| 15:41.46 | thul | they want black-white |
| 15:41.51 | thul | Codayus: yup. |
| 15:42.07 | thul | they want easy choices, clear lines, they want "this is right, this is wrong".. not caring that neither is correct |
| 15:42.10 | thul | It depresses me. |
| 15:42.23 | thul | noone want 4 pages of analyzis, they want 2 lines of "think this" |
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| 15:44.43 | SunTsu | thul: Could you please skip to the conclusion? *ducks and runs away* |
| 15:44.56 | thul | :-P |
| 15:45.00 | thul | I'll stop ranting now |
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| 15:45.15 | dylanm | Luckily no one else was doing anything... or maybe they were before I dunno. |
| 15:45.27 | Codayus | In other news, the sky is a very ugly blue color. You should work on getting that fixed. |
| 15:45.43 | Osstia | not yesterday, it was pretty blue |
| 15:45.51 | Osstia | today it is grey, bleh |
| 15:46.46 | thul | http://cainadamsson.deviantart.com/art/Cairn-73121277 <- sky here |
| 15:46.47 | Osstia | and cold enough my breath was forming icicles on my facial hair as I breathed |
| 15:46.50 | Osstia | not good |
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| 15:50.19 | Osstia | thul, where was that photo taken? |
| 15:50.52 | Osstia | i see the geographical location, is that really where you are? |
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| 15:57.52 | Xinhuan | i just uploaded a new addon: |
| 15:57.53 | Xinhuan | LargerMacroIconSelection |
| 15:58.13 | Xinhuan | Shows you a much bigger macro icon selection frame instead of the |
| 15:58.14 | Xinhuan | standard 5x4 one |
| 15:58.17 | dylanm | Sounds revolutionary. |
| 15:58.23 | Xinhuan | not exactly |
| 15:58.26 | dylanm | Maybe put "revolutionary" in the name. |
| 15:58.29 | Xinhuan | all it does is that ;d |
| 15:58.33 | dylanm | Like... hold on let me find it |
| 15:58.59 | dylanm | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7709-CRT.html |
| 15:59.26 | Xinhuan | lol? |
| 15:59.44 | dylanm | lol |
| 15:59.45 | Xinhuan | Downloads: 763 |
| 15:59.45 | sdouble | Compact revolutionary Texts |
| 15:59.46 | Xinhuan | ok |
| 15:59.47 | sdouble | heh |
| 16:00.38 | sb | -yay |
| 16:00.41 | sb | synergy rocks |
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| 16:01.45 | sdouble | cheater |
| 16:02.00 | thul | Osstia: oppdal, yeah |
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| 16:37.54 | CIA-8 | 03alar * r57596 10AlarLib/ (AlarLib-2.0/AlarLib-2.0.lua AlarLib.toc): |
| 16:37.54 | CIA-8 | AlarLib |
| 16:37.54 | CIA-8 | Now help button is less invasive and can be clicked to show default help for module |
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| 16:50.11 | CIA-8 | 03alar * r57597 10AlarAutomation/ (AlarAutomation.lua AlarAutomation.toc localization.lua): (log message trimmed) |
| 16:50.11 | CIA-8 | AlarAutomation |
| 16:50.11 | CIA-8 | 3.2.0 |
| 16:50.11 | CIA-8 | Feature: Most of AlarAutomation commands are now bindable |
| 16:50.11 | CIA-8 | Feature: QUICKFISH when you are fishing, displays a cast button for fishing |
| 16:50.13 | CIA-8 | after you catch your fish, at the point your cursor is, ready to be |
| 16:50.15 | CIA-8 | clicked (even with right button, so you dont even need to move or change your finger.) |
| 16:51.37 | Stan_ | waaa |
| 16:51.39 | CIA-8 | 03alar * r57598 10AlarBGHelper/ (AlarBGHelper.lua AlarBGHelper.toc): |
| 16:51.39 | CIA-8 | AlarBGHelper |
| 16:51.39 | CIA-8 | 3.2.0 |
| 16:51.39 | CIA-8 | Feature: You can now hide Honor marks recap in Fubar text |
| 16:51.39 | CIA-8 | Feature: You can customize text buttons and messages in WSG (/abh gui) |
| 16:51.47 | Stan_ | go die alar, NOW |
| 16:52.26 | Ozguli` | Right! |
| 16:52.27 | CIA-8 | 03alar * r57599 10AlarTTFrame/ (AlarTTFrame.lua AlarTTFrame.toc): |
| 16:52.27 | CIA-8 | AlarTTFrame |
| 16:52.27 | CIA-8 | 4.0.3 |
| 16:52.27 | CIA-8 | Feature: Upgraded embedded library. |
| 16:53.21 | AKX | How can I get Pitbull to show my pet's happiness? |
| 16:53.38 | vithos | as text? |
| 16:53.44 | AKX | Anything. :P |
| 16:53.58 | vithos | it can color the healthbar by happiness, which i think it does by default |
| 16:54.07 | vithos | or you can edit a text string and add it in there |
| 16:54.13 | AKX | Ah, so it does. Thanks! |
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| 16:55.05 | Graawr | It is true that there exist a program that can auto update ace addons? |
| 16:55.25 | vithos | ~wau |
| 16:55.26 | purl | well, wau is WowAceUpdater, found at http://www.wowace.com/wau/publish.htm - Easy mass update to all the addons you have installed from the Wowace repository, where many Ace addons reside. |
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| 16:55.38 | Graawr | spank you sir |
| 16:58.45 | vithos | AKX: you might like this better. put [HappyText:Hide(Happy):HappyColor] before the pet name. then turn off the happiness coloring for the health bar so it can color by health percentage |
| 16:58.59 | vithos | i think that DogTag is correct, might need quotes around Happy |
| 17:01.07 | Graawr | The visual studio deployment installations fails, it cant access the server where it downloads the manifests etc, i am talking about wau, can anyone help? |
| 17:02.27 | vithos | try http://www.wowace.com/wau/Install_WAU.zip instead |
| 17:02.52 | vithos | i remember that happening to me, but i don't remember what i had to do to fix it |
| 17:03.02 | Graawr | that looks about right |
| 17:03.04 | Fin | "It's a small world but I wouldn't want to have to paint it. -- steve wright" [HappyText:Hide(Happy):HappyColor] "A learned blockhead is a greater blockhead than an ignorant one. -- Benjamin Franklin" |
| 17:03.08 | Graawr | it has all the required applicatio files innit |
| 17:03.12 | Fin | any better? |
| 17:03.32 | Fin | you said it might need quotes around it |
| 17:03.41 | vithos | turns out it doesn't need quotes after all! |
| 17:03.45 | Graawr | works vithos :) |
| 17:03.59 | Fin | makes sense, doen't look like valid lua to me anyway |
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| 17:10.21 | Silowyi | so I nearly uninstalled my wow server monitor today in frustration |
| 17:10.32 | Silowyi | then I found out: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus/ is broken :P |
| 17:11.03 | vithos | what do you need a wow server monitor for? |
| 17:11.21 | Silowyi | eh it's useful to notify me when the server comes up after a reboot/patch |
| 17:11.27 | Silowyi | so I really only need it on Tuesdays |
| 17:11.32 | vithos | ah. i just leave the realm selection screen up. |
| 17:11.39 | vithos | it updates automatically |
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| 17:30.01 | CIA-8 | AlarLib |
| 17:30.01 | CIA-8 | Fixed a typo |
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| 18:05.52 | Osstia | i am a nerd |
| 18:06.02 | Osstia | I read your name as GG ilbert! not G Gilbert. |
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| 18:08.53 | ggilbert | ha |
| 18:09.14 | Firelemming | hi all, i need some help with the simpleHTML widget. when the there are alot of text lines he keeps on writing outside the box. Is there a way to create a slider so that you can scroll down? |
| 18:11.55 | Firelemming | hopefully somebody can help me with this |
| 18:12.39 | Osstia | I have never used it, sorry |
| 18:14.24 | Firelemming | is there a different way to create a scrolling area for text? |
| 18:17.39 | Osstia | Do you want a scroll bar? or just one that will scroll? |
| 18:18.10 | Osstia | I have used a ScrollingMessageFrame and then setup a handler for the mouse wheel |
| 18:18.31 | Osstia | so it scrolled with a wheel mouse |
| 18:18.34 | Firelemming | hmm, i have alot of text, i want to put it on my screen in a frame, but because i have so much text i need to be able to scroll in it |
| 18:19.02 | Firelemming | i dont have to add messages to the screen, its just show or hide |
| 18:19.20 | Firelemming | or a completely different set of text |
| 18:19.33 | Ravagernl | nice, warcrafter.net looks really nic |
| 18:19.38 | Ravagernl | what do you guys think |
| 18:19.38 | Osstia | theres an ace addon called LodWhat, someone pointedme to it as a reference |
| 18:20.01 | Osstia | it is a very basic addon, but has an example of what the ScrollingMessageFrame looks like Firelemming |
| 18:20.26 | Firelemming | ok, ty WAU perhaps? |
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| 18:21.42 | Firelemming | found it |
| 18:21.46 | Osstia | cool |
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| 18:26.09 | Osstia | Ravagernl its okay |
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| 18:26.55 | Osstia | Ravagernl its okay |
| 18:27.56 | Xinhuan | much easier to use the ingame addon called WoWEquip ;d |
| 18:28.26 | Osstia | hehe |
| 18:29.02 | CIA-8 | 03kneeki * r57601 10EasyPet/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 18:29.02 | CIA-8 | EasyPet: Initial commit |
| 18:29.02 | CIA-8 | - A very small addon which allows you to quickly control your demon pet. |
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| 18:37.22 | Osstia | How do I create text that can be clicked on? |
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| 18:38.47 | Shirik | Osstia: didn't I answer this for you yesterday? :P |
| 18:39.03 | Shirik | oopsie |
| 18:39.12 | Osstia | You said something, i read it, but could find anything on how to accomplish it |
| 18:39.19 | Shirik | ok well you need to ask this :) |
| 18:39.30 | Osstia | and Ellipsis mentioned a tablet, but I didn't want to yous a library |
| 18:40.01 | Shirik | let me see if I can find this code for ya, I have it in Conspiracy for the debug messages |
| 18:40.04 | Osstia | You said something about creating a link |
| 18:40.28 | Osstia | and then creating a handler |
| 18:41.14 | Osstia | did I just say yous? oh my lord |
| 18:44.20 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/79705-1zza |
| 18:44.23 | Shirik | see _addDebugHooks() |
| 18:45.15 | Shirik | Module:Debug() shows how to actually use this capability (adds a message in the form of |Hconsp:nStuff|H |
| 18:45.37 | Shirik | or something like that |
| 18:46.51 | Xinhuan | wicked |
| 18:47.20 | Fisker- | http://i9.tinypic.com/8b4r5zp.jpg |
| 18:47.22 | Fisker- | O_o |
| 18:47.36 | Fisker- | and a 7th one just joined |
| 18:48.06 | nevcairiel | i followed one around ironforge the other day |
| 18:48.11 | nevcairiel | those fuckers can walk through walls |
| 18:48.16 | Firelemming | hmm ScrollingMessageFrame is not what i need, that thing makes my messages go from bottom to top :S |
| 18:48.22 | deltron | wut |
| 18:48.29 | Osstia | Firelemming I think you can set that |
| 18:48.36 | Osstia | I know you can on a message frame |
| 18:48.37 | deltron | oh yeah |
| 18:48.51 | deltron | they always summon right at the mailbox Fisker- |
| 18:49.05 | nevcairiel | funny thing |
| 18:49.08 | nevcairiel | never seen one in shatt |
| 18:49.13 | nevcairiel | guess they dont own the expansion =P |
| 18:49.19 | Fisker- | not these |
| 18:49.22 | Fisker- | definitely not |
| 18:49.24 | Fisker- | they're trials |
| 18:49.28 | Firelemming | you mean with the SetScrollFromBottom? |
| 18:49.47 | vithos | what can they do with trials? |
| 18:49.53 | vithos | just /say spam? |
| 18:49.55 | deltron | sit in org and spam |
| 18:49.59 | Fisker- | and deltron the ones on our server run around the place spamming to ensure maximum coverage :P |
| 18:50.00 | deltron | yup |
| 18:50.11 | nevcairiel | they can /say and /yell at the mailbox, AH, battle masters, flying point |
| 18:50.15 | deltron | yeah, same here Fisker- |
| 18:50.18 | Fisker- | they can't yell |
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| 18:50.20 | Fisker- | only say |
| 18:50.31 | nevcairiel | oh yeah |
| 18:50.33 | nevcairiel | but /emote |
| 18:50.43 | Fisker- | probably |
| 18:50.46 | nevcairiel | ./me is selling gold at www.goldpage.net :P |
| 18:50.50 | Xinhuan | they should just KILL all trial accounts capability |
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| 18:51.03 | Xinhuan | its not like 9.3 mil subscribers isn't enough |
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| 18:51.12 | Xinhuan | and they will get another few million from russia next year too |
| 18:51.30 | nevcairiel | i think the russians are already playing pretty much |
| 18:52.11 | Osstia | I lied Firelemming |
| 18:52.18 | Firelemming | :O |
| 18:52.20 | Osstia | It was SetInsertMode() |
| 18:52.33 | Osstia | but that is for a messageFrame, not the ScrollingMessageFrame |
| 18:53.04 | Firelemming | doesnt exist in scrollingmessageframe -.- |
| 18:53.25 | Firelemming | but i still think its wierd you can make simpleHTML widget scrollable |
| 18:53.40 | Firelemming | cant* |
| 18:53.43 | nevcairiel | i though SMF inherits MF o.O |
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| 18:53.55 | nevcairiel | *thought |
| 18:54.14 | Osstia | ScrollingMessageFrame has all of the methods from UIObject, FontInstance, Region and Frame, plus the following: |
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| 18:55.31 | kneeki | Hmm, I'm running into an error while doing an SVN Update: PROPFIND request failed on 'root/trunk/Ace2/AceDB-2.0' Could not open the requested SVN filesystem |
| 18:55.32 | nevcairiel | wouldnt SetScrollFromBottom() do what you want then? |
| 18:55.35 | kneeki | Any ideas? |
| 18:56.13 | Shirik | kneeki: Run a cleanup |
| 18:56.19 | Firelemming | nevcairiel doesn seem to work for me, but im probly doing something wrong then :S |
| 18:56.29 | Shirik | sounds like you have a stale lock |
| 18:57.12 | kneeki | Hmm, okay |
| 18:57.40 | kneeki | Did the cleanup, same error |
| 18:58.01 | nevcairiel | on what addon is that? |
| 18:58.03 | Shirik | what folder are you trying to check out? |
| 18:58.11 | Shirik | er, update |
| 18:58.37 | kneeki | Uhh, my addon? EasyPet |
| 18:58.49 | kneeki | Or AceDB-2.0? |
| 18:58.59 | Shirik | hrm, what is the Ace SVN address anyway :/ |
| 18:59.05 | kneeki | This is my first SVN addon ever -_- |
| 18:59.10 | Shirik | svn://svn.wowace.com/trunk/EasyPet ? |
| 18:59.31 | nevcairiel | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/EasyPet/ |
| 18:59.43 | Shirik | I checked it out ok :/ |
| 18:59.54 | kneeki | Humm |
| 19:00.05 | kneeki | Should I delete my EasyPet folder in /addons/ you think? |
| 19:00.09 | kneeki | & try over |
| 19:00.09 | Shirik | you didn't delete the .svn folder or something did you? |
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| 19:00.51 | kneeki | Not sure what you mean, what's the .svn folder? |
| 19:00.53 | nevcairiel | hm you didnt set any externals yet, so that cant be an issue |
| 19:01.08 | nevcairiel | (anyhow, i recommend not using spaces in your file names) |
| 19:01.15 | Shirik | spaces = evil |
| 19:01.37 | kneeki | in my lua files, should I take 'em out you think? |
| 19:01.50 | kneeki | I saw other Ace addons using them, so I didn't think there was an issue |
| 19:01.56 | nevcairiel | there are? |
| 19:01.58 | Xinhuan | there are? |
| 19:01.59 | nevcairiel | didnt notice it before |
| 19:02.21 | nevcairiel | i use underscore, or just concat the two parts :P |
| 19:02.34 | kneeki | Oh, nope. there arn't. The refrence mod I was using wasn't actually using spaces, but _ |
| 19:02.38 | kneeki | silly underscores |
| 19:03.04 | nevcairiel | there isnt really a point to use your addon name in every filename anyway |
| 19:03.15 | Fisker- | now they all disappeared |
| 19:03.25 | nevcairiel | i basicly do Addon\Addon.lua Addon\otherstuff.lua Addon\Options.lua |
| 19:03.26 | nevcairiel | or so |
| 19:03.31 | kneeki | True |
| 19:03.40 | kneeki | Yeah, good point |
| 19:03.41 | Xinhuan | alright, who knows how to use GraphLib to draw an arc? |
| 19:03.43 | kneeki | I'll rename those =P |
| 19:03.45 | Xinhuan | is it even possible? |
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| 19:03.54 | nevcairiel | i downloaded graphlib for routes |
| 19:03.55 | nevcairiel | so |
| 19:03.57 | nevcairiel | no idea =P |
| 19:04.12 | Xinhuan | maybe i should cleanup GraphLib |
| 19:04.34 | nevcairiel | LibStub it while you're at it |
| 19:04.36 | kneeki | mmk, renamed all the files & updated the toc |
| 19:04.38 | Xinhuan | ~seen cryect |
| 19:04.41 | purl | cryect <i=Cryect@c-24-98-98-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 4d 19h 15m 49s ago, saying: 'Just remove warriors easier'. |
| 19:05.31 | kneeki | Should I do an SVN update? Will that update my filenames/toc file on the server also? |
| 19:05.39 | kneeki | or should I remove the files first |
| 19:05.44 | nevcairiel | you need to commit them |
| 19:05.46 | kneeki | on the server I mean. |
| 19:05.53 | Shirik | update takes what's on the server and gives it to you |
| 19:05.54 | nevcairiel | you can do a svn rename |
| 19:06.01 | Shirik | commit takes what you have and gives it to the server |
| 19:06.05 | nevcairiel | or just delete and re-add |
| 19:06.34 | kneeki | Shirik, thanks that was a bit fuzzy |
| 19:06.55 | kneeki | delete and re-add sounds the easiest. But didn't the rules say only one commit? |
| 19:07.15 | nevcairiel | you can do that in one commit |
| 19:07.25 | kneeki | Ah, as long as it's my EasyPet folder |
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| 19:10.42 | CIA-8 | 03kneeki * r57602 10EasyPet/ (6 files): |
| 19:10.42 | CIA-8 | EasyPet: |
| 19:10.42 | CIA-8 | - Changed file names & .toc |
| 19:10.51 | kneeki | huzzah |
| 19:11.16 | kneeki | However, those files with spaces are still there |
| 19:13.07 | [SW]Dodge | kneeki: what is EasyPet for? |
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| 19:13.25 | kneeki | A very small addon which allows you to quickly control your demon pet. |
| 19:13.50 | [SW]Dodge | well... |
| 19:13.51 | kneeki | Places a few draggable buttons on the screen which allows you to perform basic pet functions |
| 19:14.17 | kneeki | like, one button will dispel magic on you if your fel puppy is out, another for your target, and the pet |
| 19:14.52 | [SW]Dodge | mhm sounds cool |
| 19:14.58 | kneeki | I love it |
| 19:15.03 | [SW]Dodge | i think ill try it :) |
| 19:15.06 | kneeki | it means no more macros |
| 19:15.09 | [SW]Dodge | since my pet bar is too small xD |
| 19:15.14 | kneeki | lol, I wouldn't suggest downloading it yet... |
| 19:15.26 | kneeki | I can't seem to figure out how to delete those files with spaces in the names |
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| 19:15.34 | kneeki | from the server that is |
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| 19:16.04 | kneeki | I tried right-clicking in my /EasyPet/ on the file, choosing Tortouse SVN and delete, but they are still there |
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| 19:17.26 | [SW]Dodge | mhm |
| 19:17.34 | Shirik | what you need to do |
| 19:17.50 | Shirik | tortoisesvn forces you to "reconfirm" deletions |
| 19:17.58 | Shirik | when you go to commit after a delete, you'll see at the bottom the deleted file is unchecked |
| 19:18.01 | Shirik | you have to check i |
| 19:18.06 | kneeki | ooh! |
| 19:18.07 | Shirik | then commit |
| 19:18.21 | [SW]Dodge | ;D |
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| 19:18.44 | kneeki | woot! |
| 19:18.47 | kneeki | that worked :) |
| 19:18.49 | Shirik | btw you can just delete the file |
| 19:18.56 | Shirik | you don't have to like right click->svn->delete or anything |
| 19:18.59 | kneeki | Yeah, I found that out. =P |
| 19:19.01 | Shirik | it assumes if the file is missing that it was deleted |
| 19:19.07 | kneeki | Didn't realize I had to recommit though |
| 19:19.17 | kneeki | Now, to get the AceDB-2.0 thing figured out |
| 19:22.12 | kneeki | hmm |
| 19:22.26 | kneeki | Libs/AceDB-2.0 http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/Ace2/AceDB-2.0 |
| 19:22.37 | kneeki | that's my line in my Subversion properties |
| 19:22.43 | kneeki | look correct? |
| 19:27.56 | [SW]Dodge | i would say yes but i dont know it :X |
| 19:28.44 | kneeki | *shrug* |
| 19:30.10 | kneeki | Hmm, my addon disapeared from files.wowace.com |
| 19:30.12 | kneeki | lol |
| 19:30.18 | kneeki | it's still in: http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/EasyPet/ though |
| 19:32.29 | CIA-8 | 03alar * r57604 10!AlarLib/Media/: |
| 19:32.29 | CIA-8 | !AlarLib |
| 19:32.29 | CIA-8 | Removed file/folder |
| 19:34.47 | kneeki | Yeah, I'm confused. Any ideas why EasyPet was removed from http://files.wowace.com/# |
| 19:35.42 | nevcairiel | ERROR: (svn://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/EasyPet) invalid external svn://dev.wowace.com/root/trunk/DewdropLib/Dewdrop-2.0 |
| 19:36.13 | kneeki | nevcairiel, where did you get that error from? |
| 19:36.19 | nevcairiel | http://files.wowace.com/ERRORS.txt |
| 19:36.34 | kneeki | thanks! defenatly will bookmark that one |
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| 19:38.48 | kneeki | hmm, just checked the paths - it's the path given in the comments at the top of the DewDrop LUA file |
| 19:38.48 | krka | kneeki: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon. |
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| 19:39.15 | kneeki | uhm, thanks krka :) |
| 19:40.20 | mort | gah, i hate enchanting |
| 19:40.54 | CIA-8 | 03kneeki * r57603 10EasyPet/ (EasyPet Frames.lua EasyPet Globals.lua): |
| 19:40.54 | CIA-8 | EasyPet: |
| 19:40.54 | CIA-8 | - deleting files |
| 19:41.03 | kneeki | O.o |
| 19:41.05 | mort | i need boar's speed, my other char can actually enchant it but not this one |
| 19:41.12 | kneeki | That was a long time ago |
| 19:41.33 | CIA-8 | 03alar * r57605 10!AlarLib/Libs/: |
| 19:41.33 | CIA-8 | !AlarLib |
| 19:41.33 | CIA-8 | Removed file/folder |
| 19:41.46 | Stanzilla | olol |
| 19:42.13 | kneeki | *cry* |
| 19:42.17 | kneeki | ERROR: (svn://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/EasyPet) invalid external svn://dev.wowace.com/root/trunk/DewdropLib/Dewdrop-2.0 |
| 19:42.23 | CIA-8 | 03alar * r57606 10!AlarLib/AlarLib-2.0/: |
| 19:42.23 | CIA-8 | !AlarLib |
| 19:42.23 | CIA-8 | Removed file/folder |
| 19:42.25 | kneeki | That doesn't even make sence :( |
| 19:42.35 | nevcairiel | kneeki: it doesnt update the log instantly |
| 19:42.48 | CIA-8 | 03alar * r57607 10!AlarLib/icon.tga: |
| 19:42.48 | CIA-8 | !AlarLib |
| 19:42.48 | CIA-8 | Removed file/folder |
| 19:43.30 | kneeki | nevcairiel, well - if you look just above my error there, there is a whole list of svn: No repository found in 'svn://dev.wowace.com/root/trunk/DewdropLib/Dewdrop-2.0' type errors |
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| 19:43.48 | nevcairiel | kneeki: yes, because you set a wrong external :P |
| 19:44.02 | kneeki | I copy/pasted the SVN: from the comments at the top of each library into my list, I'm sure of what I'm doing wrong |
| 19:45.08 | nevcairiel | thats probably not up to dat |
| 19:45.09 | nevcairiel | e |
| 19:45.19 | Shirik | "I'm sure of what I'm doing wrong" |
| 19:45.22 | Shirik | then fix it :D |
| 19:45.38 | kneeki | Hmm, I'll download the latest from files.wowace.com then, and try that |
| 19:47.10 | nevcairiel | i fixed it for you |
| 19:47.21 | nevcairiel | dont copy the path from the libs, just check the actual path in the svn |
| 19:48.18 | kneeki | And I can find the actual path at http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/ right? |
| 19:48.25 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 19:48.29 | nevcairiel | just navigate to the lib |
| 19:48.34 | nevcairiel | and copy the address |
| 19:49.06 | kneeki | Thanks, i feel like such a dork :( |
| 19:49.22 | kneeki | I just did the Update, and all the libs downloaded correctly. Thanks a lot! |
| 19:50.21 | kneeki | Do I need to make any changes to my SVN Properties Externals list? Or does that get pulled from the server each time? |
| 19:50.28 | kneeki | i would hate to overwrite what you just did |
| 19:50.48 | nevcairiel | thats pulled from the server too |
| 19:50.56 | kneeki | Ok |
| 19:52.02 | kenlyric | man, gotta love when the old "they're killing off every major character in lore" thread gets revived. So much fail. |
| 19:52.11 | kneeki | lol! |
| 19:52.12 | kenlyric | as if 90% of the characters weren't created in WC3 anyway. |
| 19:52.58 | nevcairiel | whats worse, they're localizing the names of every major character in lore |
| 19:53.10 | kenlyric | stupid blizzard |
| 19:53.19 | kenlyric | names are names, gtfo |
| 19:53.52 | Gnarfoz | "there are no own names in the game" is their stance |
| 19:53.53 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 19:54.23 | kneeki | lol ya |
| 19:54.26 | nevcairiel | they keep their first name, but the last name which in lore is generally some real phrase gets translated |
| 19:54.28 | nevcairiel | thats so stupid |
| 19:54.37 | Gnarfoz | Illidan Sturmgrimm! :D |
| 19:54.45 | kenlyric | like ironforge, the words "iron" and "forge" get translated. |
| 19:54.46 | nevcairiel | Jaina Prachtmeer o.O |
| 19:54.54 | Gnarfoz | it's fucking ridiculous >_> |
| 19:55.02 | Gnarfoz | anyway, enGB client ftw |
| 19:55.16 | nevcairiel | yup |
| 19:55.22 | nevcairiel | god bless the language pack |
| 19:55.42 | kenlyric | I'm pretty sure that happens very infrequently with real place or people names. |
| 19:55.45 | Gnarfoz | I just use a 'real' engb client, never used my deDE discs |
| 19:56.06 | nevcairiel | as of BC, there is no real difference in using real enGB or the lang pack |
| 19:56.07 | Gnarfoz | kenlyric: heh, it *does* happen, but not as thoroughly as Blizz does it |
| 19:56.35 | nevcairiel | before BC i used a real enGB client too |
| 19:56.40 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: true, but I'd have to install deDE, d/l the enGB stuff and get rid of the left-over deDE stuff |
| 19:56.49 | nevcairiel | but it was easier to get a deDE expansion |
| 19:57.04 | nevcairiel | and you cant install that on a enGB client -.- |
| 19:57.28 | Gnarfoz | indeed, but that's what ftp is for ^^ |
| 19:58.04 | nevcairiel | doesnt really matter anymore tho, my deDE client with enGB pack works fine :) |
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| 20:09.18 | Xinhuan | whats the simplest addon that you know of that can change the minimap shape? |
| 20:09.45 | Chompers | simpleminimap |
| 20:10.26 | Shirik | heh |
| 20:10.33 | Shirik | how aptly named |
| 20:11.05 | NightHawkTheSane | and yet, its rather not-exactly-simple. it does a whole hell of a lot |
| 20:11.08 | Xinhuan | only interested in the code heh |
| 20:12.23 | kneeki | Hurray! My EasyPet is working flawlessly with the files.wowace.com now! :) |
| 20:12.40 | kneeki | It's not working with the WoW Ace Updater though, which I assume is just a time delay or something |
| 20:12.53 | Gnarfoz | files. updates every 20mins |
| 20:13.07 | kneeki | Thought so :) |
| 20:16.21 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: even simpler, imho, squeenix on tekkubs repo |
| 20:16.31 | [SW]Dodge | kneeki: is it now usable?^^ |
| 20:16.37 | nevcairiel | http://tekkub-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/Squeenix/ |
| 20:19.03 | Xinhuan | hmm simpleminimap only offers 6 different shapes |
| 20:20.17 | nevcairiel | you wanted simple, not addon with max number of shapes :P |
| 20:21.34 | Osstia | hehe |
| 20:21.39 | Xinhuan | alright, show me a more complicated one :) |
| 20:21.49 | nevcairiel | no idea, tbh :) |
| 20:21.54 | Xinhuan | pfft |
| 20:21.55 | Xinhuan | useless |
| 20:24.56 | smoke_ | is there a mod that puts bars on ur screen for everyones cc's? like blind/sheep/fear? |
| 20:25.02 | Xinhuan | no |
| 20:25.03 | smoke_ | other than necb |
| 20:25.08 | Xinhuan | necb is the only one |
| 20:25.09 | kd3 | necb <3 |
| 20:25.12 | smoke_ | damn |
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| 20:25.32 | Xinhuan | i also wouldn't attempt to write any such combat log related addon until 2.4 |
| 20:25.49 | kd3 | wtb more info from slouken |
| 20:26.10 | smoke_ | why 2.4? |
| 20:26.27 | kd3 | total combat log rewrite c++ side |
| 20:26.32 | nevcairiel | lets hope they push 2.3.2 this week and give us more 2.4 food |
| 20:26.43 | kd3 | I've got a link to pertinent info at http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.4.0 |
| 20:26.48 | kd3 | the references at the bottom |
| 20:27.19 | Osstia | what SNV clients do you guys use? |
| 20:27.43 | Osstia | SVN* |
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| 20:28.52 | nevcairiel | tortoise and console |
| 20:29.31 | Osstia | I used tortoise for CVS once, maybe I'll give that a shot |
| 20:33.11 | Gnarfoz | SmartSVN |
| 20:34.01 | Ozguli` | can a macro check if target already has a certain buff? |
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| 20:34.26 | nevcairiel | Ozguli`: noope |
| 20:34.35 | Ozguli` | damn |
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| 20:54.25 | kenlyric | christmas gnome with pumpkin head = adorable |
| 20:55.42 | Ellipsis | o.o |
| 20:57.15 | kenlyric | http://media.abels.us/games/wow/prettiest_2007-12-28_holidaymashup.jpg |
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| 21:00.10 | Kazie | Hello, have anyone else than me, experienced some problem with Fu_TopScore? .. i get an error everytime i mouseover and it does not rly work proberly by recording new crits and all that. |
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| 21:00.23 | kenlyric | Kazie: seems to ahve been a recent update. |
| 21:00.28 | kenlyric | you probably need to clear it. |
| 21:00.35 | kenlyric | that worked for me |
| 21:00.40 | Kazie | Clear it? |
| 21:00.48 | kenlyric | reset scores |
| 21:00.51 | Kazie | deleting the savedvariables you mean? |
| 21:00.58 | kenlyric | you can do it in-game |
| 21:01.07 | Kazie | Aha |
| 21:01.09 | Kazie | I'll try that. |
| 21:01.10 | Kazie | Ty |
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| 21:14.13 | kneeki | [SW]Dodge, did you try EasyPet yet? Would like to know how the download/install/first impressions went :) |
| 21:14.45 | [SW]Dodge | no was clearing BWL :) |
| 21:14.54 | kneeki | BWL? Oh my |
| 21:14.58 | kneeki | Good times? |
| 21:15.06 | [SW]Dodge | yea |
| 21:15.23 | [SW]Dodge | just chromagus was time intensive :D |
| 21:15.42 | kneeki | lol ya |
| 21:17.14 | Osstia | hehe |
| 21:17.24 | Osstia | is anything in there even challenging? |
| 21:18.11 | [SW]Dodge | arnt ther buttons for sukki? |
| 21:18.15 | [SW]Dodge | Osstia: not really |
| 21:18.27 | [SW]Dodge | not with about 30 lvl70 chars XD |
| 21:18.39 | Osstia | I hear naxx can still be a pain, even at 70 |
| 21:18.49 | Osstia | but some of those encounters are more technical |
| 21:18.55 | [SW]Dodge | vael was don in less than 2min |
| 21:19.00 | Osstia | but i hear things like patch are trivial |
| 21:19.14 | Osstia | hehe, I can imagine vael was fun |
| 21:19.18 | [SW]Dodge | yea nax still is heavy |
| 21:19.40 | Osstia | I heard rumor once of Naxx being re-tuned for 25 man lvl 70 |
| 21:19.55 | [SW]Dodge | i used my ss for myself... but after i was the bomb and resurected vael was down :( |
| 21:20.08 | [SW]Dodge | kneeki: is ther no button for sukki? |
| 21:21.05 | vithos | Osstia: you do know naxx is going to be a lvl80 raid instance, right? |
| 21:21.11 | Osstia | I did not |
| 21:21.23 | vithos | now you know! |
| 21:21.29 | [SW]Dodge | yea wotlk naxx will be upgraded :D |
| 21:21.34 | Osstia | There ya go, we only half cleared it before the XP |
| 21:21.51 | Osstia | I'd like to finish it |
| 21:22.50 | [SW]Dodge | kneeki: got a lua error wenn i try to set the placement |
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| 21:28.28 | kneeki | what placement? |
| 21:28.33 | kneeki | and yes, there is a seduce button |
| 21:29.13 | kneeki | and what is the error message? I can use it w/o any issues |
| 21:31.02 | [SW]Dodge | something with dewdrop |
| 21:31.32 | kneeki | Hmm, it's using the latest version of DewDrop. Can you reproduce the error? |
| 21:31.39 | [SW]Dodge | yea mom |
| 21:33.42 | Osstia | mom? kinda kinky |
| 21:33.49 | kneeki | rawr |
| 21:33.55 | Osstia | keenki |
| 21:34.03 | kneeki | haha! |
| 21:34.24 | [SW]Dodge | mom = moment |
| 21:34.49 | Osstia | i prefer to think of it in the "who's your mommy" sort of way |
| 21:34.51 | kneeki | Ah, you had no abbreviation there. So I assumed you were insulting me suttily |
| 21:34.56 | kneeki | rawr |
| 21:35.19 | [SW]Dodge | http://rafb.net/p/BsGCod11.html |
| 21:36.04 | kneeki | Are you playing a Warlock right now? |
| 21:36.08 | kneeki | When you got that error |
| 21:36.42 | [SW]Dodge | placement -> below minimap |
| 21:36.57 | kneeki | But, a warlock check is a good idea even for the options frame. |
| 21:37.00 | [SW]Dodge | same error at all other placements too |
| 21:37.09 | kneeki | Well yeah, it cannot find the anchor button |
| 21:37.13 | CIA-8 | 03polarina * r57610 10Relegation/ (Data/MessageList.lua Relegation.toc): |
| 21:37.13 | CIA-8 | Relegation: |
| 21:37.13 | CIA-8 | - Updated signatures. |
| 21:37.18 | kneeki | do you have any others showing, like seduce? |
| 21:37.59 | [SW]Dodge | dont see any of the easypet buttons if you mean that |
| 21:38.56 | kneeki | Yeah |
| 21:39.08 | kneeki | Are you playing a Warlock right now? |
| 21:39.16 | kneeki | It wont create the buttons if you're not |
| 21:39.25 | Osstia | I am doing a DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage() when my addon loads, and I am seeing yellow text in the top center of my screen as well as in the chat frame |
| 21:39.26 | [SW]Dodge | yes |
| 21:39.40 | kneeki | Hmm, odd... |
| 21:40.06 | NeoTron | so we have had 3 healers in my guild that simply weren't good enough to raid with us. they had bad raid awareness, low healing ratio, or (in the case of a druid) had no clue how to heal effectively as oen |
| 21:40.14 | [SW]Dodge | is it maybe becouse i'm using deDE client? |
| 21:40.21 | kneeki | oohhh |
| 21:40.22 | kneeki | yes, it is |
| 21:40.26 | NeoTron | they all left our guild, at different times, joining another guild on the server |
| 21:40.29 | NeoTron | kind of amusing |
| 21:40.31 | kneeki | -_- |
| 21:40.39 | Osstia | Any idea what causes this? |
| 21:40.40 | kneeki | I'll fix that for you Dodge, give me a few minutes |
| 21:40.43 | kneeki | Sorry |
| 21:40.48 | [SW]Dodge | ok |
| 21:40.53 | [SW]Dodge | :) ^^ |
| 21:41.59 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: it's the way it works, be glad they left on their own |
| 21:42.48 | Osstia | I do not miss that part of the game in any way, shape, or form |
| 21:43.04 | Osstia | I stopped aggressivley raiding in Feb. and I don't miss running a guild |
| 21:43.13 | Osstia | actually May |
| 21:43.20 | Osstia | seems like longer though |
| 21:44.01 | Osstia | I do miss the new content, i wish I could see more of it, but I don't miss the day to day shit that comes with running a guild |
| 21:44.51 | Gnarfoz | running a guild is hard core shit in it's own right, depending on the age, sanity, maturity etc of your members |
| 21:45.22 | Osstia | our leadership was all late twenties early 30s but our main raiders were mostly 17-22 |
| 21:45.28 | kneeki | If I wanted to upload my changes on SVN, do I need to delete my externals again? |
| 21:45.49 | Gnarfoz | kneeki: no |
| 21:45.59 | kneeki | Ok |
| 21:46.00 | Gnarfoz | they're not "there", svn should not try to upload them |
| 21:46.26 | kneeki | Ah |
| 21:46.43 | Gnarfoz | ("there" should probably read "added to the project by means of 'svn add'") |
| 21:48.11 | CIA-8 | 03kneeki * r57611 10EasyPet/ (EasyPet.lua Globals.lua): |
| 21:48.11 | CIA-8 | EasyPet: |
| 21:48.11 | CIA-8 | - Changed "Warlock" to "WARLOCK" when checking for class, should help with non english versions. |
| 21:48.28 | kneeki | There you go Dodge, give that one a shot :) |
| 21:48.55 | [SW]Dodge | no i ave to download form files.wowace.com or? |
| 21:49.15 | kneeki | Probably, I cannot get the WoWAce updater to download my mod =P |
| 21:49.28 | Gnarfoz | [SW]Dodge: wait until revision 57611 shows up on files. and then get that |
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| 21:49.31 | kneeki | http://files.wowace.com/EasyPet/EasyPet-r57609.zip |
| 21:49.44 | Gnarfoz | that's the old version |
| 21:49.48 | kneeki | oh |
| 21:49.50 | kneeki | -_- |
| 21:49.54 | kneeki | every 20 minutes right? |
| 21:50.11 | Gnarfoz | 0, 20, 40 |
| 21:50.14 | Gnarfoz | (iirc) |
| 21:51.14 | [SW]Dodge | so next update is 23? |
| 21:51.22 | [SW]Dodge | in 6 min |
| 21:51.57 | Gnarfoz | your clock seems a bit fast, but yes, at 23:00 + time the zip script takes to run, which probably isn't *that* much |
| 21:52.07 | Industrial | ~seen Kaelten |
| 21:52.09 | purl | kaelten <n=kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 7d 6h 2m 38s ago, saying: 'g'night'. |
| 21:52.12 | kneeki | Ahh, I see |
| 21:53.10 | [SW]Dodge | mhm the time on my linux box seeems to be wrong :D |
| 21:53.33 | [SW]Dodge | Fr 28. Dez 22:56:48 CET 2007 |
| 21:53.39 | [SW]Dodge | some mintues to fast :D |
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| 22:00.07 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10595 |
| 22:00.17 | Ellipsis | ok so that's three days in a row that looting Greater Felfire Dimetradons has disconnected me from the server |
| 22:00.25 | Ellipsis | fail imo? |
| 22:01.44 | Gnarfoz | I've never in my entire wow playtime been disconnected by anything else than my 24h disconnect cause by my ISP or by the server going down :< |
| 22:02.00 | Industrial | never sent a false link? |
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| 22:03.32 | Gnarfoz | ok, add intentional actions to that ;) |
| 22:04.24 | Ellipsis | ...make that four times in three days |
| 22:05.16 | CIA-8 | 03polarina * r57612 10Relegation/ (Data/MessageList.lua Relegation.toc): |
| 22:05.16 | CIA-8 | Relegation: |
| 22:05.16 | CIA-8 | - Updated signatures. |
| 22:05.25 | Ellipsis | *sigh* five |
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| 22:10.32 | [SW]Dodge | kneeki: ok, i see a button but it has no function (on mouseover comes "Left-click to drag") |
| 22:10.40 | [SW]Dodge | and scale dont work also |
| 22:13.10 | kneeki | Can I get an error? That button is just the anchor |
| 22:13.24 | [SW]Dodge | nope no error message |
| 22:13.35 | kneeki | Do you have a pet out (and you're not mounted) |
| 22:13.50 | kneeki | .... wait a sec |
| 22:13.52 | kneeki | *sigh* |
| 22:13.59 | kneeki | I think it's your deDE again |
| 22:14.02 | [SW]Dodge | fellhunter no mount |
| 22:14.11 | kneeki | It may not be detecting your pet, because it's checking for "Felhunter" |
| 22:14.13 | kneeki | -_- |
| 22:14.22 | [SW]Dodge | xD |
| 22:14.55 | kneeki | Hmm, I may have to do a localization |
| 22:15.02 | [SW]Dodge | :) |
| 22:15.05 | kneeki | Is there a lib for that? Probably not huh |
| 22:16.49 | Ellipsis | Babble should have something for that I'm sure |
| 22:19.51 | [SW]Dodge | kneeki: and... if i change scale the anchor bnutton is moved back to a center position in the bottom half of my screen |
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| 22:20.48 | kneeki | Dodge, yeah, it does that so you do not lose the frame |
| 22:21.20 | kneeki | And Babble doesn't look like it will work for what I'm doing - I'm going to have to write it by hand I think. Should only take a few minutes |
| 22:22.10 | Xinhuan | i'm fairly sure warlock pets aren't called "Felhunter", they have cute demonic names ;p |
| 22:22.29 | [SW]Dodge | :P |
| 22:22.52 | Xinhuan | like uh.. Jhuuroon |
| 22:22.59 | Xinhuan | or Pelbit |
| 22:23.00 | Osstia | Juk`Dok |
| 22:23.05 | Xinhuan | or something cute |
| 22:23.14 | Osstia | and Sarghug |
| 22:23.22 | Osstia | are my void and imp |
| 22:23.39 | [SW]Dodge | dasyia <- my sukki <3 |
| 22:23.42 | kneeki | wel |
| 22:23.43 | Xinhuan | has someone ever tried to study how these names are derived? |
| 22:23.54 | kneeki | well* the pet type is Felhunter =P |
| 22:23.56 | Osstia | nope |
| 22:24.06 | kneeki | UnitCreatureFamily("pet") |
| 22:24.07 | Osstia | but I named my alt rogue after a guildies impo |
| 22:24.15 | Osstia | pissed him off |
| 22:24.38 | Xinhuan | "My Felhunter's name is "Phuukun". Say it out loud. Roll it around on your tongue. Then decide if it's an appropriate name to put into the game." |
| 22:24.39 | Osstia | it came up in the blizz random name generator, and looked familiar to me, so i used it |
| 22:24.43 | Xinhuan | lol at this forum post |
| 22:25.43 | Xinhuan | maybe i should write a small little addon that records all the warlock pet names |
| 22:25.48 | Xinhuan | then see if i can find any pattern to them |
| 22:25.57 | Xinhuan | nah, i'm not that bored |
| 22:26.48 | Daemona | btw i got a cookie for ya for adding the WP arrow on routes :) |
| 22:27.16 | Xinhuan | i personally don't find the waypoint arrows useful if you stare at the minimap long enough |
| 22:27.36 | Xinhuan | however, i reccommend you turn on "show icon on minimap" option in your _Waypoints options |
| 22:27.54 | Xinhuan | i think its defaulted to off |
| 22:28.10 | Xinhuan | if you turn that on, you will see a X icon on your minimap for your next waypoint |
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| 22:32.41 | Xinhuan | damn, running windows media player didn't increase my FPS in game |
| 22:33.10 | Osstia | I need to go buy one of those iPod docks |
| 22:33.23 | Osstia | so i can have better sounding music while I play |
| 22:34.17 | [SW]Dodge | (23:24) ( kneeki) Dodge, yeah, it does that so you do not lose the frame <- mhm if the frame is "lost" the placement -> center (or what ever can be used) so i would say to dont reposition the anchor on change scale |
| 22:34.20 | Daemona | i want a touch one :X |
| 22:34.48 | Osstia | they are nice looking, but small |
| 22:35.12 | Daemona | i just want a handy always uptodate tv guide ;) |
| 22:35.17 | kneeki | What's that Dodge? |
| 22:35.31 | Cheads | Xinhuan doesn't change a thing for me either =) |
| 22:35.52 | [SW]Dodge | i told you that the anchor button is move to bottom center after scaling |
| 22:36.03 | [SW]Dodge | and got this answer :D |
| 22:36.14 | kneeki | lol |
| 22:36.18 | Xinhuan | hmm which patch was it that added the rogue lockpicking requirement skill on lockboxes? |
| 22:36.24 | [SW]Dodge | thats my reply with the suggestion to NOT make it move |
| 22:36.51 | kneeki | Well, I could do that - but if they scale the frame too large, and it goes off the screen - how would the user find it who's novice? |
| 22:37.08 | [SW]Dodge | mhm |
| 22:37.14 | kneeki | well |
| 22:37.22 | [SW]Dodge | make a note "not vor novice"? :D |
| 22:37.27 | kneeki | HAHAH |
| 22:37.29 | [SW]Dodge | for* |
| 22:37.45 | kneeki | I think I'm going to leave all the options in english for now |
| 22:38.04 | kneeki | Just make it so it can function regardless of localization |
| 22:38.21 | [SW]Dodge | :) |
| 22:40.05 | [SW]Dodge | and you should move the "Mose-drag Frame" in the main menu not in the Placement sub menu i think :-) |
| 22:40.18 | kneeki | I'm actually moving that now |
| 22:40.21 | kneeki | ;) |
| 22:40.24 | [SW]Dodge | :D |
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| 22:41.58 | Shirik | Aens|Superiority: You around? |
| 22:50.32 | kneeki | [SW]Dodge, is there anything else before I commit this? |
| 22:53.00 | [SW]Dodge | uhm, fix the pet detections, move the mousdrag menu entry, disable reposition on scale |
| 22:53.08 | [SW]Dodge | thats all at the moment :D |
| 22:53.34 | kneeki | Welp, that's all done then |
| 22:53.35 | kneeki | =P |
| 22:53.40 | [SW]Dodge | :) |
| 22:55.19 | Hjalte | kneeki: Does your addon feature anything on eg seduce break warning and timer? |
| 22:55.50 | kneeki | Hjalte, not yet. But in a future version it will |
| 22:56.39 | Hjalte | kneeki: If you could add a warning if I am missing either a demonic sacrifice buff -or- haven't got a pet out, I'd make my sister have your babies. |
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| 22:57.09 | kneeki | My wife may not like that, but I'll defenatly add your sis' name down incase somthing happens to her |
| 22:57.23 | kneeki | But in the very near future, those will be added. ;) |
| 22:57.44 | Superfly1 | anybody using auctioneer? ( how can i clear the price for just one item? ) |
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| 22:59.59 | Hjalte | kneeki: sounds good, have been looking for such features for a long time |
| 23:00.11 | kneeki | Doesn't necrosis do that? |
| 23:02.27 | buu | Does anything show you fear breaks? |
| 23:02.44 | kneeki | Uhmm.... |
| 23:02.55 | Hjalte | kneeki: I'm not sure, but it seems a bit bloated to me. |
| 23:02.59 | kneeki | Necrosis tells you if they are immune, not sure about breaks. |
| 23:03.24 | kneeki | Hjalte, I agree - I don't use Necrosis, I just know it does a lot of stuff. Necrosis bloat is one of the reasons I created this addon =P |
| 23:03.25 | buu | Also |
| 23:03.32 | buu | Does any mod show you the DR ? |
| 23:03.54 | kneeki | buu, that I'm not sure about |
| 23:03.58 | Superfly1 | kneeki: whats the name of your addon? |
| 23:04.05 | kneeki | Superfly1: EasyPet |
| 23:04.06 | buu | kneeki: Well, get with it! |
| 23:04.17 | kneeki | I just did a commit though, so wait a few minutes for the server to update |
| 23:04.25 | kneeki | It hasen't posted in IRC yet either |
| 23:04.27 | Gnarfoz | mehhh |
| 23:05.05 | Kivin | CIA seems to be missing |
| 23:05.07 | Gnarfoz | there's a Rule 34 contest at 23C3 but the mirror servers for the stream for that room just went down >_< |
| 23:05.11 | Gnarfoz | err 24c3 |
| 23:05.13 | Kivin | No commit spam tonight :o |
| 23:05.27 | kneeki | lol |
| 23:05.40 | kneeki | Well, http://files.wowace.com/sw-e.html has the latest version |
| 23:06.11 | buu | Is it even possible to keep track of the DR per player? |
| 23:06.42 | kneeki | I'm unsure - it may be |
| 23:06.54 | buu | I mean, every player has a unique name. |
| 23:06.57 | kneeki | I know that there used to be an addon which did |
| 23:07.10 | kneeki | I think CC timer or something |
| 23:07.23 | buu | Hrm. |
| 23:08.00 | [SW]Dodge | ill test it |
| 23:08.15 | kneeki | Thanks Dodge :) |
| 23:08.19 | Hjalte | buu, theres proxdim for arenas if you use Proximo |
| 23:08.23 | kneeki | Remember to convert your localization.lua |
| 23:08.36 | [SW]Dodge | hm? |
| 23:08.47 | buu | Hjalte: Reeeeeeeeally? |
| 23:08.59 | kneeki | Dodge: Convert localization.lua to your language |
| 23:09.11 | Hjalte | buu: Did I say something stupid? >.< |
| 23:09.27 | buu | What the hell does it do? |
| 23:10.33 | buu | Ah |
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| 23:13.34 | [SW]Dodge | intercept is the skill of the felguard? |
| 23:13.47 | kneeki | Yep |
| 23:14.45 | Xinhuan | buu, only possible if your combat log is in range of people |
| 23:15.12 | Kivin | Oh looki, it's everyone's favourite Commit spambot |
| 23:15.26 | Xinhuan | also, DR is exceptionally difficult to keep track of, because refreshing a spell doesn't show up in the combat log |
| 23:15.32 | buu | Shucks. |
| 23:15.39 | Xinhuan | for eg, if i cast polymorph on you |
| 23:15.45 | Xinhuan | and i recast it on you before it expires |
| 23:15.50 | Xinhuan | the combat log doesn't show the 2nd cast |
| 23:15.55 | buu | THANKS BLIZZARD. |
| 23:15.58 | buu | YOU ARE WINNERS. |
| 23:16.05 | Xinhuan | this gets more complicated with more than 1 mage |
| 23:16.18 | Xinhuan | why do you think Omen was difficult to write ;d |
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| 23:18.01 | Xinhuan | on top of that |
| 23:18.16 | Xinhuan | Blizzard's APi only allows you to know the "remaining time left" on a buff or debuff if YOU casted it |
| 23:18.40 | Xinhuan | so if i casted sheep on you, then another mage casts sheep on you, i won't be able to tell when sheep will expire totally |
| 23:19.05 | Ozguli` | all the people who have such debuff need the addon |
| 23:19.25 | Xinhuan | yes, and even then, it requires syncing |
| 23:19.30 | Xinhuan | so its exceptionally difficult |
| 23:20.35 | chiper | isnt a lot of that going to be fixed with the new combat log routines in 2.3.2? |
| 23:20.44 | Xinhuan | not necessarily |
| 23:20.53 | Kivin | we can hope |
| 23:20.56 | Xinhuan | blizzard could STILL not give you a combat log event on refreshing a sheep |
| 23:21.11 | Xinhuan | in fact, i believe patch 2.4 is a client side change, not a server side change |
| 23:21.15 | Xinhuan | but nobody knows |
| 23:21.21 | chiper | speaking of which, I hope someone's working on a Threat fork using the PTR |
| 23:21.44 | Xinhuan | there is no PTR, |
| 23:21.55 | Xinhuan | PTR is currently on 2.3.2 |
| 23:21.59 | Xinhuan | and 2.3.3 is still planned |
| 23:22.07 | Xinhuan | 2.4 is at least 3 months away |
| 23:22.09 | chiper | yeah, 2.3.2 is what gets the new combat log |
| 23:22.21 | Xinhuan | no chiper, combat log changes is 2.4 |
| 23:22.30 | Xinhuan | 2.3.2 is the smallest patch ever |
| 23:23.04 | Gnarfoz | err |
| 23:23.07 | Gnarfoz | not true |
| 23:23.08 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 23:23.22 | Xinhuan | well the smallest one in the last half a year |
| 23:23.25 | chiper | hrm, you're right... I could have sworn I saw that in the patch notes |
| 23:23.30 | kneeki | [SW]Dodge, any bugs yet? |
| 23:24.00 | chiper | fuck, what did I read then? |
| 23:24.17 | Xinhuan | probably fake patch notes |
| 23:24.45 | Neebler | http://www.fivefourteen.net/motivational-posters/tuesday.jpg |
| 23:24.55 | chiper | I'm often getting patch notes mixed up. I keep playing live servers and expecting stuff thats still only on PTR |
| 23:25.06 | Ellipsis` | is it tuesday already? |
| 23:25.16 | Neebler | it's friday |
| 23:25.22 | Ellipsis` | oh, cool |
| 23:25.38 | [SW]Dodge | kneeki: yea, 1 :D |
| 23:25.39 | Ellipsis` | you had me worried for a minute there D: |
| 23:25.49 | Ozguli` | I kind of like the pre-bc loading screen more |
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| 23:26.05 | [SW]Dodge | you should try to make the buttons stay at the anchor with each scale |
| 23:26.05 | kneeki | Ugh, what is it? |
| 23:26.15 | kneeki | It does? |
| 23:26.20 | kneeki | It doesn't reset the anchor anymore |
| 23:26.41 | [SW]Dodge | yea |
| 23:26.48 | chiper | Ozguli`: you're not the only one |
| 23:26.58 | [SW]Dodge | but the buttons move away from the anchor if i increase the scaling |
| 23:27.03 | Xinhuan | after looking at GraphLib for 1 hour, i've concluded that I don't understand much of it |
| 23:27.06 | chiper | I read a whole thread on the suggestions forum of people wanting it back |
| 23:27.12 | Xinhuan | and that cryect needs to comment the whole damn thing |
| 23:27.22 | kneeki | Hmm, I'm not sure about that |
| 23:27.47 | kneeki | They don't really move away per say, but they are increasing the center point I think |
| 23:28.02 | kneeki | If you relog, do they move closer to the anchor (or further away) |
| 23:28.58 | yssaril | what is the difference between block rating and block value? |
| 23:29.54 | Kivin | yssaril: block rating increases your chance to block, block value is how much damage is absorbed by your shield |
| 23:30.07 | yssaril | thanks Kivin |
| 23:30.09 | Kivin | np |
| 23:30.16 | Kivin | see "Combat Ratings" on wowwiki for more information |
| 23:30.29 | Adys | http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2007-12-28-n34.html |
| 23:32.44 | [SW]Dodge | is the englsih skill name sacrafice or sacrifice? |
| 23:33.17 | [SW]Dodge | the voidwalker skill :D |
| 23:33.25 | Ellipsis` | sacrifice |
| 23:33.26 | Kivin | I would think Sacrifice |
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| 23:33.48 | [SW]Dodge | well ok, then its a mistake by kneeki *Gg* |
| 23:34.20 | kneeki | lol! |
| 23:34.22 | kneeki | whoops |
| 23:34.25 | [SW]Dodge | :D |
| 23:35.10 | kneeki | Could have sworn I tested that too |
| 23:35.15 | kneeki | Oh well =\ |
| 23:35.54 | [SW]Dodge | lool, i destroyed teh addon ~.~ |
| 23:36.23 | kneeki | haha! |
| 23:36.42 | kneeki | Well, I just made a few changes to the code. Will commit it now, then going to dinner w/ wife to olive garden |
| 23:36.57 | kneeki | If there is anything else, email me - I'll be in the chat room after we get home |
| 23:36.58 | Ellipsis` | bring back a doggy bag? |
| 23:37.05 | [SW]Dodge | well im going to a wl trainder ... i dont want to waste my shards XD |
| 23:37.09 | kneeki | huzzay ;) |
| 23:37.12 | kneeki | huzzah even! |
| 23:38.43 | kneeki | There we go |
| 23:39.13 | kneeki | Uploaded, check for the new revision in a few minutes. Talk to you guys later! (and thanks for all the help) |
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| 23:41.46 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: 2.0.8 looks pretty small btw (yes, I am bored and looked through patch.txt), just one change in there ^^ |
| 23:42.12 | Xinhuan | what change was that |
| 23:42.32 | Xinhuan | blizz doesn't push small patches unless it is extremely important to fix a major bug |
| 23:45.20 | nevcairiel | - Fixed several display issues with the arena battle final scoreboard. |
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| 23:51.35 | Osstia|home | If my addon is failing to load, but not producing errors, how can I see why? I have tried to search forums but I am not finding anything useful |
| 23:52.00 | Kivin | Osstia: Do you by chance have one of Norganna's addons running that could be swallowing your error dialogs? |
| 23:52.06 | Kivin | ie gatherer or auctioneer |
| 23:52.16 | Osstia|home | both |
| 23:52.24 | Kivin | You are running an addon called !Swatter, most likely |
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| 23:52.29 | Osstia|home | I am |
| 23:52.30 | Kivin | shut it off or delete it from your interface folder |
| 23:52.34 | Kivin | it's gobbling up your errors XD |
| 23:52.38 | Osstia|home | ty very much |
| 23:52.45 | Kivin | if you want to actually use swatter... |
| 23:52.50 | Kivin | look for the little gatherer tab ont he side of your screen |
| 23:52.56 | Kivin | and pull it out |
| 23:52.58 | Ellipsis` | also make sure to go into interface options and check "display lua errors" |
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| 23:53.05 | Kivin | there'll be a swatter button |
| 23:53.51 | Kivin | Swatter is my bane. It shows errors that I've already resolved... makes it too difficult to see which ones are new |
| 23:53.52 | Osstia|home | The swatter button grabbed my error |
| 23:54.18 | Kivin | Indeed, it did |
| 23:54.20 | Xinhuan | nothing beats the worms 2 "Fatality" wave file in bugsack OK |
| 23:54.21 | Kivin | I wish norganna wouldn't deploy his addons with that peice of clefthoof dung |
| 23:54.31 | Xinhuan | its like the FF7 victory music in Bigwigs |
| 23:54.34 | Xinhuan | simply unreplacable |
| 23:54.54 | Kuja^ | Xinhuan: true |
| 23:54.58 | Kivin | I spent two hours debugging Lootzor on a guildies computer because Swatter was eating up my Lua errors |
| 23:55.11 | Gnarfoz | http://blag.xkcd.com/ < do want |
| 23:55.12 | Kivin | He swore up and down that he wasn't running any debugging addons... but he had gatherer |
| 23:55.37 | Xinhuan | Cartographer_Data > Gatherer |
| 23:56.21 | Osstia|home | I need to look at cartographer again |
| 23:56.32 | Osstia|home | a few things bugge me right off the bat, so i ditched it |
| 23:57.01 | Osstia|home | Kivin: i knew !swatter came with it, but had no idea what is was used for |
| 23:57.05 | Kivin | I use gatherer for the HUD |
| 23:57.13 | Kivin | Osstia: You and thousands of others, no doubt |
| 23:57.29 | Kivin | That's the first thing i check for when people say "My addon doesn't work but isn't giving errors" |
| 23:57.38 | Osstia|home | I don't think I will ditch auctioneert though |
| 23:57.43 | Osstia|home | I really like it |
| 23:57.45 | Kivin | Don't ditch either |
| 23:57.48 | Kivin | Just kill swatter |
| 23:57.53 | Kivin | It isn't even a dependency. |
| 23:58.28 | Xinhuan | i disable it |
| 23:58.38 | Xinhuan | so that it wont' bother me again |
| 23:58.48 | Osstia|home | gatherer seems less useful with cartographer_data |
| 23:59.13 | Xinhuan | because Gatherer doesn't really do anything that Cartographer_modules doesn't already do |
| 23:59.34 | Kivin | Xinhuan: Does cartographer have a HUD? |
| 23:59.49 | Xinhuan | not exactly |
| 23:59.50 | Osstia|home | but I like a fullscreen map, and I hated the numbered bubbles in AV, which i assume both can be changed in cartographer if I looked |
| 23:59.53 | Kivin | Then gatherer stays |
| 23:59.55 | Xinhuan | but there is a big config menu |
