| 00:00.12 | Pkekyo| | sounds like fun |
| 00:00.21 | Pkekyo| | although I stopped giving a flying fuck about frameworks quite some time ago :p |
| 00:00.37 | Kaelten | thats good. |
| 00:00.45 | JoshBorke | Pkekyo|: that's excellent! |
| 00:00.46 | Kaelten | as a user it really shouldn't matter |
| 00:01.04 | JoshBorke | Pkekyo|: since i'm writing a mod that uses AceConfig heavily, i want Ace3 out the door quickly |
| 00:01.10 | Pkekyo| | will ace3 be THAT much better to write addons for? |
| 00:01.47 | JoshBorke | Pkekyo|: Ace3 enables me to do stuff with the configuration that makes my head hurt otherwise |
| 00:01.48 | Pkekyo| | well, I do care to some extent, just realized I can't influence it anyways without writing all the addons I need myself, so can't be arsed to even think about frameworks anymore :) |
| 00:01.53 | Pkekyo| | oh |
| 00:02.00 | Pkekyo| | yay for devs then! |
| 00:02.17 | JoshBorke | Pkekyo|: i might be able to do it using rock, but i would like to use Ace3 |
| 00:02.53 | Pkekyo| | I don't get why there has to be two different bloody frameworks tbh |
| 00:03.23 | JoshBorke | Pkekyo|: frameworks lead to choice and innovation imo |
| 00:03.37 | Pkekyo| | was all fine and dandy when ck said rock would become ace3 and everyone was happy :p |
| 00:03.38 | dylanm | People have differing tastes in these things. |
| 00:03.56 | dylanm | It was dandy and somewhat inconsequential to a user. |
| 00:04.11 | Pkekyo| | I wouldn't say taste tbh |
| 00:04.16 | JoshBorke | Pkekyo|: except that ck didn't have the correct authority about Ace3 to say it would become ace3 ;-) |
| 00:04.31 | dylanm | Pkekyo|: Not taste? What, then? |
| 00:04.52 | Pkekyo| | I'm gonna keep my yap shut, methinks.... :p |
| 00:05.04 | dylanm | zomg author politikz?? |
| 00:05.16 | Pkekyo| | yeah, can't be arsed to get into it |
| 00:05.24 | dylanm | Yeah, probably for the best :p |
| 00:05.27 | Pkekyo| | we had enough of that stuff when the rock vs ace e-drama peaked |
| 00:05.39 | simlan | Is it possible to add goups (just like dewdrop groups) with tablet, to have multiple childs in a new tooltip? |
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| 00:11.29 | pkekyo| | tbh, there should be a WYSIWYG editor for wow addons :p |
| 00:13.01 | Gnarfoz | there was a project for that, IIRC |
| 00:13.07 | Gnarfoz | at least to design UIs |
| 00:13.21 | Pkekyo| | without a doubt epix failure |
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| 00:14.41 | Pkekyo| | fucksake, it's bloody impossible to get a proper Trapped In A Box download |
| 00:15.08 | JoshBorke | Gnarfoz: yes, wow ui designer |
| 00:15.09 | JoshBorke | worked alright |
| 00:15.47 | Pkekyo| | sounds like it'd bring the same epic fail to wow that WYSIWYG brought to web standards |
| 00:16.56 | CIA-13 | 03simlan * r56951 10GetDKP_AutoPost/ (5 files): |
| 00:16.56 | CIA-13 | GetDKP_AutoPost: |
| 00:16.56 | CIA-13 | - Added FuBar Tooltip that shows player DKP |
| 00:16.56 | CIA-13 | - Ability to post DKP for players to raid/party/guild |
| 00:16.56 | CIA-13 | - Added attention clear on item assign |
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| 00:17.22 | JoshBorke | Pkekyo|: it's not used much |
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| 00:17.51 | Pkekyo| | JoshBorke: what isn't? |
| 00:18.07 | Pkekyo| | WYSIWYG for web or UIs? :p |
| 00:18.20 | JoshBorke | Pkekyo|: wow ui designer |
| 00:18.28 | JoshBorke | i found it invaluable for getting relative positionings |
| 00:18.32 | JoshBorke | but then coded it all myself |
| 00:19.15 | Pkekyo| | I just can't see how WYSIWYG editors could bring anything good with'em |
| 00:19.27 | Pkekyo| | all they did for web was to make it harder for us that code without it |
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| 00:23.17 | kenlyric_ | what's this "us" stuff? |
| 00:23.37 | kenlyric_ | frontpage makes baby jesus cry. |
| 00:23.45 | Pkekyo| | indeed |
| 00:24.03 | Pkekyo| | whoever invented that WYSIWYG crap deserves a date with 12gauge |
| 00:24.25 | Antiarc | No, not really |
| 00:24.32 | Antiarc | What makes the web hard to code for is fsking IE. |
| 00:24.47 | Antiarc | And its non-standards-compliant ass-ended CSS implementation |
| 00:25.46 | Pkekyo| | the reason it's that way is that it has been adapted for websites made in WYSIWYG editors by crackpite toting grandmothers |
| 00:26.32 | Antiarc | http://www.divx.com/dff/index.php |
| 00:27.06 | Pkekyo| | hms? |
| 00:27.29 | Antiarc | The DivX team is giving away DivX pro for free right now |
| 00:27.35 | Antiarc | Which is nice if you do any kind of video envoding |
| 00:27.54 | Chompers | isn't xvid better? |
| 00:27.56 | Pkekyo| | allready had DivX for free :p |
| 00:27.57 | Chompers | or h.264 |
| 00:28.16 | Tinyboom | now you can have it legally Pkekyo|:p |
| 00:28.41 | guest1 | i bought fraps this week |
| 00:29.08 | Pkekyo| | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HLpjrHzgSRM&eurl=http://dinside.no/php/art.php?id=499897 pewpew |
| 00:29.19 | Pkekyo| | Tinyboom: I don't use it anymore tbh, so can't be arsed :) |
| 00:29.23 | chexsum | gotta figure out how to make a movie with it now |
| 00:29.25 | Gnarfoz | x264 is better, but... divx can be played back on many more platforms |
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| 00:29.41 | Tinyboom | Pkekyo|: hehe |
| 00:30.09 | Pkekyo| | chexsum: just press the bloody hotkey? :p |
| 00:30.19 | Arrowmaster | yeah h264 is better than divx but takes more processing power so you cant play it on older hardware |
| 00:31.06 | kenlyric_ | i discovered the hard way that wow and h264 vids don't want to run at the same time on a single core. |
| 00:31.13 | chexsum | yeah but i mean how to make a movie good to watch |
| 00:31.21 | chexsum | is wondows movie maker good ? |
| 00:31.25 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:31.55 | Pkekyo| | chexsum: HELL NO |
| 00:32.09 | Pkekyo| | if you have to ask that, you're not good either, and should stay away from making movies :p |
| 00:32.37 | chexsum | i want to spec disc and make a movie with bubble bobble music where i run around shielding things lol |
| 00:32.47 | Pkekyo| | lol |
| 00:32.51 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 00:32.56 | Tinyboom | lol |
| 00:33.06 | Pkekyo| | I think that's the most useless idea I've ever heard...and I've come up with ALOT of useless ideas :p |
| 00:33.19 | Tinyboom | though might still be funny:p |
| 00:33.22 | Pkekyo| | no, actually, I've beaten you with a couple of my own ideas |
| 00:33.41 | Gnarfoz | great, their installer fails with DEP enabled |
| 00:34.03 | Pkekyo| | DEP+ |
| 00:34.04 | Pkekyo| | ? |
| 00:34.26 | Gnarfoz | W^X |
| 00:34.35 | Gnarfoz | data execution prevention... stuff |
| 00:34.44 | Pkekyo| | ah |
| 00:34.57 | Gnarfoz | (should make stack smashing attacks impossible) |
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| 00:36.25 | CIA-13 | 03nevcairiel 07Beta * r56952 10Ace3/ (7 files in 7 dirs): Ace3 - apply the new safecall to all libraries |
| 00:37.27 | Tinyboom | god i hate timesink quests.... stupid muroloc heads..... |
| 00:37.31 | Tinyboom | murloc* |
| 00:38.54 | kenlyric_ | 50% drop rate bothers you? |
| 00:39.16 | kenlyric_ | where you get seven in a row, then nothing for 30 of them |
| 00:40.26 | Tinyboom | killed 30, gotten 3:p |
| 00:40.41 | Codayus | Hmm, trying to make a rule in Bulkmail to send green armor/weapons to my DE bot. Doesn't seem to be any sort of quality filter - I'm not missing anything, am I? |
| 00:41.01 | kenlyric_ | imagine if other games worked like that. |
| 00:41.11 | Pkekyo| | best way to get good sleep in short time? (without involving drugs) |
| 00:41.24 | kenlyric_ | like, in half-life you had to keep kill a random number of mobs for the door to open. Sometimes it's 2, sometimes it's 107 |
| 00:41.37 | Pkekyo| | rofl |
| 00:41.38 | kenlyric_ | Pkekyo|: fall asleep fast |
| 00:41.40 | Codayus | kenlyric_: Have you played Hellgate: London? |
| 00:41.44 | Pkekyo| | I'd have killed newell then, kenlyric_ |
| 00:41.45 | kenlyric_ | Codayus: not |
| 00:42.00 | Codayus | It's like that, and there is no guarentee there will be enough mobs. |
| 00:42.01 | kenlyric_ | is it like that? |
| 00:42.03 | kenlyric_ | hahaha |
| 00:42.07 | kenlyric_ | fail |
| 00:42.25 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric_: fail |
| 00:42.30 | Codayus | And the only way to reset a level is to log all the way out. |
| 00:43.00 | kenlyric_ | it's amazing the kind of bullshit mmo players will put up with. |
| 00:43.42 | Codayus | Short one zombie? Okay, back to the account screen, log in, select character, log in...you've been teleported back to town, run through town to the instance portal, zone in....start clearing again. Note: The quest mob may be rare, and may only be found in the back of the fairly large instance.... |
| 00:43.45 | Pkekyo| | lol indeed kenlyric_ |
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| 00:47.44 | sag_ich_nicht | retribution paladin here maybe that already engaged zul'jin? have a question about phase 2 |
| 00:47.51 | Pkekyo| | screw it, I'm off...gotta learn an entire language in the morning...g'nite all |
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| 00:54.04 | Lukian | Codayus, nope, I'm just using Item Type: Armor myself |
| 00:57.59 | chexsum | think i just made a wow movie in wmm |
| 00:58.19 | chexsum | seems pretty easy |
| 00:58.59 | RaydenUni | what is Reckless charge? a 29 rogue in AB just did it to me |
| 00:59.01 | RaydenUni | long ass stun |
| 00:59.15 | chexsum | its an engineering thing |
| 00:59.27 | chexsum | a lot of twinks use it |
| 00:59.34 | RaydenUni | oh |
| 00:59.42 | RaydenUni | yeah as a druid i COULD NOT escape this rogue |
| 00:59.45 | RaydenUni | several times |
| 00:59.52 | chexsum | rogues etc can use it to get up the gy |
| 00:59.57 | RaydenUni | gy? |
| 01:00.09 | Codayus | Lukian: Hmm, my issue is, my AH mule often has some blue or epic armor I'm trying to sell, plus he sometimes buys a lot of greens to mail to my DE bot. So... type: armor doesn't work. |
| 01:00.11 | chexsum | graveyard |
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| 01:01.56 | MooCow | are there any addons that give you a grid |
| 01:02.07 | MooCow | that you can use to align? |
| 01:03.23 | Hjalte | MooCow: Align. |
| 01:03.31 | MooCow | well I feel dumb now |
| 01:03.33 | MooCow | thanks |
| 01:03.48 | MooCow | where do i get it? |
| 01:03.57 | MooCow | is it an ace addon? |
| 01:04.16 | Tinyboom | MooCow: curse or wowinterface:p |
| 01:04.49 | MooCow | k |
| 01:04.51 | MooCow | thanks |
| 01:04.54 | kaiden | Who wants to see my latest acid trip...? |
| 01:04.59 | kaiden | http://ss.ohnoes.cc/acidtrip2.0/ |
| 01:05.06 | kaiden | my wow is special |
| 01:05.07 | kaiden | :) |
| 01:06.09 | Zhinjio | ATI card? |
| 01:07.58 | kaiden | nope |
| 01:08.03 | kaiden | nVidia 8800 GTS |
| 01:08.20 | kaiden | happened on my 7950 GTOC too |
| 01:10.14 | Shadowed | Funkeh`, does LightQueue have it's own format for sending syncs? |
| 01:10.44 | Funkeh` | stinkyqueue format |
| 01:11.22 | Shadowed | Anyone know of any other AV queuing mods besides StinkyQueue/Peform AV Enabler then? |
| 01:11.48 | Shadowed | well and SSPVP |
| 01:12.11 | Funkeh` | smartqueue was inspired from lightqueue last I checked |
| 01:12.14 | NightHawkTheSane | kaiden: weren't you the one who had the matrix code showing through the ground? :P |
| 01:12.16 | Funkeh` | it did queing and some other stuff |
| 01:12.42 | Shadowed | Except Perform AV Enabler still has the author being an idiot and obsfucating code so screw him |
| 01:13.20 | kenlyric_ | uhhh |
| 01:13.20 | Shadowed | Funkeh`, do you know if that one stays with StinkyQueues format? |
| 01:13.22 | kenlyric_ | how? |
| 01:13.29 | Funkeh` | Shadowed, What are you looking to do? |
| 01:13.53 | Funkeh` | Shadowed, not sure, when I wrote it, it was just to be compatible as a friend told me to get it, but I didn't like it. |
| 01:14.26 | Shadowed | Funkeh`, SSPVP2 is getting more advance support for AV sync queuing and I'm adding to do compatability with the other sync queue mods |
| 01:14.36 | Shadowed | kenlyric_, same way you obsfucate anything else |
| 01:14.55 | Shadowed | rename variable/functions/ect, remove comments, remove line breaks and so on |
| 01:15.00 | Funkeh` | Shadowed, I would just use stinkyqueue format to be honest. |
| 01:15.22 | Shadowed | I'm trying to figure out what the StinkyQueue format is |
| 01:15.29 | Shadowed | Theres like 4 different versions of it + yours |
| 01:15.37 | MooCow | I feel incompetant. could somebody find align on curse for me? |
| 01:15.51 | Funkeh` | Shadowed, ? has t changed? |
| 01:16.14 | Shadowed | Funkeh`, No idea. It's StinkyQueue, Improved StinkyQueue, StinkyQueuePlus, StinkyQueue Reawakened |
| 01:16.42 | Shadowed | Apparently, Gladiator is the new Stinkyqueue or something as well |
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| 01:17.21 | MooCow | are those custom textures shadowed? |
| 01:17.29 | MooCow | whoops |
| 01:17.33 | MooCow | those are kaidens screenies |
| 01:17.55 | Funkeh` | Shadowed, rofl? really? never noticed, I used original stinkyqueue, and if they changed the sync in the derivatives they ar eidiots. |
| 01:18.13 | Shadowed | I like that plan |
| 01:18.36 | Shadowed | and yea, theres really all of those variations of it I just looked |
| 01:20.42 | Shadowed | Oh, I thought StinkyQueue actually gave you more information regarding their queues. Guess I'll just add support for the basic join/leave queue then |
| 01:20.45 | Shadowed | Thanks for the info Funkeh` |
| 01:21.25 | MooCow | can you recover a username |
| 01:21.26 | Funkeh` | np |
| 01:21.34 | MooCow | I am like 99% sure that Overshee is my old username |
| 01:21.40 | MooCow | but I cant remember the password for the life of me |
| 01:21.52 | MooCow | I have never met another person who uses the handle overshee |
| 01:22.54 | Keias | MooCow, I always got align from WOWI myself |
| 01:23.10 | Gnarfoz | meh. I guess I'll have to level a Shaman myself for my raid to ever find a resto shaman >_> |
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| 01:23.47 | Gnarfoz | our server is severly lacking healers :< |
| 01:24.35 | NightHawkTheSane | what server? :P |
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| 01:40.01 | CIA-13 | 03nevcairiel 07Beta * r56953 10Ace3/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Ace3 - update safecall implementation in all libs |
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| 01:55.32 | CIA-13 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 01:55.32 | CIA-13 | -Tailoring fix |
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| 02:57.45 | Shadowed | Anyone have 2.3.2 PTR installed? |
| 02:58.38 | ulic | I do, when I tried to connect about 30 mins ago the servers were down |
| 02:58.45 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 02:58.53 | Shadowed | Trying to figure out if they enabled the battleground instance servers |
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| 03:01.59 | kebinusan | hm I love how you cannot give loot to some people if they are OOR in hyj... we had a damn nethervoid cloak drop and couldnt assign it to a caster who was back killing gargs on a trash wave |
| 03:02.56 | NightHawkTheSane | kebinusan: thats nothing new :P |
| 03:02.59 | Hotphoenix | same thing if your offtank on asgalor is too far away |
| 03:03.23 | Tem | Gm petition imo |
| 03:03.23 | kebinusan | yeah :-( I know |
| 03:03.45 | kebinusan | trash epics on waves is just a bad idea imo, especially when corpses despawn if you wipe |
| 03:03.59 | kebinusan | and it makes dkp and such a nightmare |
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| 03:07.48 | Shadowed | trash epics makes it a tad less of a bitch to do them |
| 03:07.52 | Shadowed | since you can actually be rewarded |
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| 03:47.36 | RaydenUni | wish i could change my 19 mage to a warrior |
| 03:51.56 | RaydenUni | sunwell plateau is going to be added pre WOTLK? |
| 03:51.57 | RaydenUni | where? |
| 03:52.12 | Jaxon | Its always been before the next expantion |
| 03:52.14 | Jaxon | expansion |
| 03:52.39 | RaydenUni | i guess i don't pay too much attention to future expansions |
| 03:52.54 | RaydenUni | on NE of silvermoon |
| 03:55.03 | Stan_ | sunwell is 2.4 |
| 03:55.24 | kaiden | i wish they'd release 2.3.2 already |
| 03:55.26 | kaiden | pet leveling SUCKS |
| 03:55.33 | khangg | kaiden, it does indeed. |
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| 03:55.41 | khangg | kaiden, what are they fixing about pets in that? |
| 03:55.44 | RaydenUni | 2.3.2 will make pet's level faster or what? |
| 03:56.28 | kaiden | khangg, making it 600% faster |
| 03:56.37 | khangg | kaiden, good to hear :) |
| 03:58.55 | RaydenUni | bummer |
| 03:58.59 | RaydenUni | troll racials suck for warriors? |
| 03:59.04 | RaydenUni | that's what i was thinking of being :) |
| 03:59.16 | khangg | RaydenUni, I guess |
| 03:59.24 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, berserking's pretty hot for anyone |
| 03:59.42 | RaydenUni | seems like it would be really useful for soloing |
| 03:59.44 | NightHawkTheSane | and 5% damage to beasts isn't shabby. but the rest aren't particularly useful for warrirors |
| 04:00.09 | RaydenUni | i guess the question is there anything that will make me regret it at lvl 70 |
| 04:00.24 | NightHawkTheSane | depends on how much you like shoe graphics. ;) |
| 04:00.31 | RaydenUni | 5% health boost for taurens is nice |
| 04:00.41 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, that's more or less the major thing |
| 04:01.14 | kenlyric | stun immunity and bloodrage, though bloodrage isn't much use as a tank. |
| 04:01.23 | kenlyric | (for da orcs) |
| 04:01.25 | RaydenUni | none of the other racials seem at all interesting |
| 04:01.34 | NightHawkTheSane | warstomp is really hot too |
| 04:01.39 | RaydenUni | bloodrage? |
| 04:02.14 | RaydenUni | hmm i'll have to think about it |
| 04:02.28 | RaydenUni | my mage is 19 and most of the other people in the guild are around there |
| 04:02.33 | NightHawkTheSane | He means blood fury |
| 04:02.34 | RaydenUni | would suck to have to catch up |
| 04:02.40 | RaydenUni | but my mage really isn't doing much for me |
| 04:02.52 | RaydenUni | maybe cause my main is a spriest, also a caster |
| 04:03.03 | Megalon | kenlyric: you mean blood fury? ;) |
| 04:03.09 | kenlyric | probably |
| 04:03.11 | kenlyric | who knows |
| 04:03.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Megalon: welcome to thirty seconds ago ;) |
| 04:03.18 | Megalon | :X |
| 04:03.19 | kenlyric | I have like 17 blood abilities |
| 04:03.21 | RaydenUni | really enjoying my druid, but different server |
| 04:03.53 | kenlyric | ok, two, but they're macroed together, so I never remember which is which. |
| 04:04.07 | RaydenUni | lol |
| 04:05.11 | Gnarfoz | wow |
| 04:05.20 | Gnarfoz | TotP3 is, like, awesome |
| 04:05.35 | NightHawkTheSane | eh? |
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| 04:06.00 | Megalon | tales of the past 3, wow machina |
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| 04:06.28 | Megalon | NightHawkTheSane: http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=53953 |
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| 04:10.25 | Sarana | I've noticed that an addon appears to be corrupting the options table returned by AceDebug:GetAceOptionsDataTable. If I make that function return a new table for each invocation stuff starts working again. (i.e. change the it to return { debug = ... } instead of using the local options variable). Any suggestions on a good way to find out what's corrupting the table so I can report it correctly? |
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| 04:13.05 | Sarana | Actually I think I've a way to trace it down now. |
| 04:17.00 | khangg | Anyone do C++ here? |
| 04:17.53 | RaydenUni | some |
| 04:17.54 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 04:18.04 | Shirik | khangg: Almost daily |
| 04:18.05 | Shirik | what's up |
| 04:18.15 | khangg | I have a project due tommorow for programming |
| 04:19.07 | khangg | It asks the user 10 random math questions depending on what choice they made in the beginning (add, subtract, multiplication) and they get points for each correct answer, and I need it to save after each question, but I don't know how. |
| 04:19.24 | khangg | Here's my code: http://paste.cluenet.org/39 |
| 04:19.25 | RaydenUni | what is it? |
| 04:19.47 | RaydenUni | your question is too vague |
| 04:19.53 | RaydenUni | what are you saving? how are you saving it? |
| 04:20.01 | khangg | The score |
| 04:20.05 | khangg | I don't know how |
| 04:20.13 | NightHawkTheSane | erm, vague or not, wouldn't simple file i/o solve that? |
| 04:20.27 | Shirik | ok problem #1 |
| 04:20.29 | Shirik | no comments |
| 04:20.42 | Shirik | fix this problem now before you hate yourself later in life, seriously. Get in the habit of writing frequent comments. |
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| 04:21.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 04:21.09 | khangg | I write comments after it's all done |
| 04:21.15 | Shirik | horrible idea |
| 04:21.16 | NightHawkTheSane | bad idea |
| 04:21.20 | RaydenUni | write comments first |
| 04:21.24 | RaydenUni | then you know what to program :) |
| 04:21.32 | khangg | Well now I know :) |
| 04:21.40 | Shirik | AdditionLawl()? |
| 04:21.45 | Shirik | That's what you named your functions? >< |
| 04:21.47 | RaydenUni | comments don't help you if you are already done |
| 04:21.55 | RaydenUni | freshman? |
| 04:22.03 | khangg | I only started the course a month ago. |
| 04:22.13 | NightHawkTheSane | well, that much was fairly obvious ;) |
| 04:22.24 | khangg | Although, what does it matter what I name them? :S |
| 04:22.37 | RaydenUni | the names can be self documenting |
| 04:22.38 | RaydenUni | or confusing |
| 04:22.42 | Shirik | btw, "int right; right = 0" |
| 04:22.45 | RaydenUni | same with variable |
| 04:22.46 | Shirik | can be shortened to "int right = 0;" |
| 04:23.03 | Sarana | You should also refactor out the answer checker from the AdditionLawl, MinusLawl, TimesLawl functions. |
| 04:23.48 | Shirik | ubstead if this "right = 1;" I would recommend you use "break" |
| 04:23.52 | Shirik | s/ubstead/instead/ |
| 04:24.37 | khangg | I learned about break..but our teacher said to not use it, don't know why. |
| 04:24.51 | Shirik | your teacher is an idiot |
| 04:24.54 | Shirik | anyway |
| 04:25.03 | Shirik | what's wrong? |
| 04:25.35 | Shirik | oh the points? |
| 04:25.40 | khangg | Yeah |
| 04:25.57 | Shirik | # |
| 04:25.57 | Shirik | int AdditionLawl(int &addition) |
| 04:26.02 | Shirik | what is this parameter your pass in? |
| 04:26.09 | Shirik | I don't see a purpose for it |
| 04:26.14 | Shirik | I'm sure my compiler would generate a warning for it |
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| 04:26.36 | RaydenUni | why? |
| 04:26.50 | Sarana | Especially since the name is eluded in the body. |
| 04:26.56 | khangg | Mine didn't |
| 04:27.05 | RaydenUni | oh is it never used? |
| 04:27.18 | Fisker- | rofl |
| 04:27.23 | RaydenUni | yeah |
| 04:27.25 | Fisker- | Universe at war is listed for 0$ on steam |
| 04:27.31 | Fisker- | awww |
| 04:27.36 | RaydenUni | you pass in an answer variable, never set it, return the answer, but then don't save what you returned |
| 04:27.36 | Fisker- | invalid subscription :( |
| 04:29.19 | Shirik | error C3861: 'randomize': identifier not found |
| 04:29.22 | Shirik | What header is that in? |
| 04:29.36 | khangg | #include <iostream.h> |
| 04:29.36 | khangg | #include <C:\Documents and Settings\khangg\My Documents\HOMEWORK\Programming\lvp\random.h> |
| 04:29.42 | Shirik | great. |
| 04:29.52 | vithos | kadrahil: sup |
| 04:29.57 | Shirik | also, did your teacher teach you to do that? |
| 04:30.01 | khangg | Yeah |
| 04:30.05 | Shirik | he or she is an idiot again |
| 04:30.15 | Shirik | unless it is a standard path, they should be double quotes, not angle brackets |
| 04:30.16 | khangg | She's a math teacher |
| 04:30.28 | Shirik | that is most definitely not a standard include directory |
| 04:30.31 | Shirik | so it should be double quotes |
| 04:30.50 | Shirik | and you should be using <iostream> not <iostream.h> gahhhh |
| 04:31.08 | RaydenUni | he's just starting give him a break |
| 04:31.12 | khangg | Perhaps I should have announced a warning |
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| 04:31.34 | RaydenUni | hmm |
| 04:31.45 | RaydenUni | but i guess we're not criticizing him, we're criticizing the teacher :P |
| 04:31.47 | RaydenUni | continue |
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| 04:33.26 | Shirik | RaydenUni: I'm mad at the teacher not him |
| 04:33.33 | Shirik | what can he do, he's doing what he was taught |
| 04:34.01 | Shirik | now that I created my own Random.h.... |
| 04:34.02 | Shirik | let's try this out |
| 04:34.03 | khangg | Shirik, where'd you learn? |
| 04:34.13 | Shirik | essentially by myself |
| 04:34.29 | khangg | If there was another place I could learn, I'd go check it out |
| 04:34.35 | Shirik | 1>c:\users\mpdelbuono\documents\code\kharr\kharr\kharr.cpp(20) : warning C4100: 'addition' : unreferenced formal parameter |
| 04:34.36 | Shirik | 1>c:\users\mpdelbuono\documents\code\kharr\kharr\kharr.cpp(74) : warning C4701: potentially uninitialized local variable 'answer' used |
| 04:34.41 | NightHawkTheSane | there -are- plenty of perfectly capable instructors in the world. |
| 04:35.06 | Shirik | (Warning 1) your variable "addition" is never used in your function 'AdditionLawl' |
| 04:35.19 | NightHawkTheSane | I think if your in a programming class being taught by a math teacher, that right there is a pretty big red flag |
| 04:35.22 | Shirik | (Warning 2) In AdditionLawl, you return addition without ever doing anything to it |
| 04:35.41 | khangg | I'm also using MVC++ 'cause that's what I'm forced to use in school. |
| 04:35.46 | Shirik | oh good |
| 04:35.51 | Shirik | then turn your warning levels up to warning level for |
| 04:35.53 | Shirik | four* |
| 04:36.00 | Shirik | and you will see exactly what I do right now |
| 04:36.17 | Shirik | project->properties->configuration->C/C++->general |
| 04:37.30 | khangg | I don't see a propertires |
| 04:37.34 | Shirik | And khangg, I think that is one of the best IDEs ever made, I'll be honest with you. A lot of people dis it, but it's one of the things Microsoft got right. Its debugger is absolutely phenomenal |
| 04:37.51 | khangg | IDE? |
| 04:37.57 | Shirik | Okay, do you have a solution explorer on the left? |
| 04:38.02 | Shirik | Integrated development environment |
| 04:38.02 | RaydenUni | MVC++? |
| 04:38.10 | khangg | microsoft visual c++ RaydenUni |
| 04:38.17 | RaydenUni | so VS? |
| 04:38.17 | Shirik | (solution explorer = the thing on the left with all the files in it) |
| 04:38.19 | RaydenUni | visual studio |
| 04:38.20 | khangg | Shirik, I got it to set it to level four |
| 04:38.21 | RaydenUni | i like VS |
| 04:38.24 | Shirik | ok cool |
| 04:38.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Integrated Development Environment |
| 04:38.28 | Shirik | recomile and see if you get any warnings |
| 04:38.45 | Shirik | imo it is always a good idea to pull your warnings up to level 4 |
| 04:38.55 | khangg | warning C4701: local variable 'answer' may be used without having been initialized |
| 04:38.55 | Shirik | some people leave it at 3 because it complains about some potentially valid things |
| 04:39.18 | Shirik | ok, cool. And that occurs because you never change the value |
| 04:39.30 | Shirik | It's like doing this: |
| 04:39.37 | Shirik | int foo; cout << foo; |
| 04:39.40 | Shirik | What does that display? |
| 04:40.01 | khangg | nothing? |
| 04:40.03 | Shirik | It could be anything. Whatever was in the memory location before you were assigned it. A bunch of junk |
| 04:40.07 | Shirik | Oh it definitely displays a number |
| 04:40.10 | khangg | oh |
| 04:40.11 | Shirik | It's just unpredictable what it is. |
| 04:40.12 | khangg | -09238409 |
| 04:40.21 | Shirik | That doesn't have to be the same every time :) |
| 04:40.32 | Shirik | With MSVC they do some strange things so it might be, but it doesn't have to be |
| 04:40.43 | Shirik | And the same thing happens in your code |
| 04:40.50 | Shirik | you have this variable "answer" in your function, but you never set its value |
| 04:41.06 | Shirik | imo you should use that value to determine the score. |
| 04:41.26 | khangg | Hmm, okay |
| 04:42.01 | Shirik | btw I also grow nervous around teachers that teach the top-down design |
| 04:42.05 | Shirik | where you put main at the end of your file |
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| 04:42.45 | Shirik | so khangg, here's what I say |
| 04:42.50 | Shirik | let's make a new variable, score in your main() |
| 04:42.52 | Shirik | int score = 0; |
| 04:43.04 | Shirik | pass it in when you call AdditionLawl() |
| 04:43.14 | Shirik | AdditionLawl(score); |
| 04:43.42 | Shirik | in AdditionLawl() change the variable's name to "score" for sanity purposes, and when they get it correct, increment it by 1 |
| 04:44.32 | khangg | replace answer with score? |
| 04:44.43 | khangg | ah okay |
| 04:46.23 | Shirik | you'll need to adjust some other things but yeah |
| 04:46.33 | Shirik | this way you'll "pass back" the increased score |
| 04:46.53 | khangg | Should I be returning score as well? |
| 04:47.55 | Shirik | nope, no need to |
| 04:48.02 | Shirik | see how you have the parameter "int &score" ? |
| 04:48.12 | RaydenUni | so if blood elves can't be warriors |
| 04:48.15 | Shirik | This is different from "int score" in that if you change it in the function, it will change it in the calling function too |
| 04:48.25 | RaydenUni | do the starting quests not give anything good for warriors? |
| 04:48.36 | Shirik | RaydenUni: Well they have pallies |
| 04:48.41 | Shirik | which can rely on the same things |
| 04:48.54 | Shirik | most BEs go down to barrens around 15ish anyway from what I've seen |
| 04:49.03 | khangg | Yeah because they hate Ghostlands |
| 04:49.09 | Shirik | I liked ghostlands |
| 04:49.15 | Shirik | exalted with tranquillen at lv 2 |
| 04:49.15 | khangg | It wasn't too bad. |
| 04:49.15 | Shirik | 20 |
| 04:49.52 | RaydenUni | yeah |
| 04:49.55 | RaydenUni | you get that nice cloak |
| 04:50.07 | RaydenUni | i thought ghostlands was a nice change from barrnes |
| 04:50.11 | RaydenUni | barrens |
| 04:50.15 | RaydenUni | no running all over the place |
| 04:50.19 | Shirik | seriously |
| 04:50.29 | RaydenUni | some pretty nice rewards from the last quests |
| 04:50.31 | khangg | Shirik, is there a way that I make it save the points and display it at the end (when all 10 questions have been answered) |
| 04:50.37 | NightHawkTheSane | you're still running allover the placein ghostlands, its just a smaller zone. :P |
| 04:50.44 | Shirik | you have score in main, right? |
| 04:50.53 | Shirik | So when you exit the for loop, print ito ut. |
| 04:51.04 | Shirik | Remember that it's not only changing it in that function, it's also changing it in main |
| 04:51.32 | NightHawkTheSane | shirik, i think the nature of by value or by reference may be beyond him right now |
| 04:51.34 | RaydenUni | what do you spec for leveling a warrior? |
| 04:51.35 | RaydenUni | arms? |
| 04:51.50 | NightHawkTheSane | arms or fury both work reasonably well |
| 04:52.09 | NightHawkTheSane | fury's probably a little better, cause dw is nicer for leveling |
| 04:52.13 | Shirik | ok, then, khangg |
| 04:52.14 | Sarana | Okay I found what's causing the debug option table to be messed up. Looks like it UnitActionBars2_Activate. |
| 04:52.15 | Shirik | it's magic |
| 04:52.20 | Shirik | main knows, trust me :P |
| 04:52.31 | khangg | :P |
| 04:52.31 | RaydenUni | how long can you tank specced arms or fury? |
| 04:52.36 | RaydenUni | NightHawkTheSane DW? |
| 04:52.44 | NightHawkTheSane | dual wielding |
| 04:52.57 | NightHawkTheSane | as for tanking, it depends on your gear, and how good you are. |
| 04:53.13 | NightHawkTheSane | a good player with good gear can tank any non-raid content in any spec |
| 04:54.01 | RaydenUni | for leveling you have a little less control over your gear |
| 04:54.02 | khangg | Shirik, I have int score = 0 in main yes, but I haven't done anything with it. In the addition function, I have if (tries == 0) { score += 10 } |
| 04:54.11 | Shirik | yes you have |
| 04:54.17 | Shirik | in main, you call AdditionLawl(score) |
| 04:54.19 | Lukian | I have an addon drawing an auto shoot castbar |
| 04:54.21 | Lukian | halp |
| 04:54.30 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, but everyone else is in the same boat, more or less, so it's not an issue. no one expects you to be prot specced before 70 anyway |
| 04:54.31 | Shirik | Lukian: Quartz? |
| 04:54.35 | Lukian | neg |
| 04:54.43 | Shirik | then you'll have to be a little more descriptive |
| 04:55.27 | Lukian | k I'll go screenshot it |
| 04:56.27 | khangg | Shirik, the score ends up at 0 even if I answered them all right :< |
| 04:56.34 | Shirik | then something's not right |
| 04:56.41 | khangg | Lukian, LittleTrouble? |
| 04:56.43 | Shirik | post me your entire code, and please use lua.pastey.net this time |
| 04:56.52 | Shirik | so I can read it in some sort of highlighted manner :P |
| 04:56.53 | khangg | so many pasteys |
| 04:56.54 | Lukian | khangg, bingo! |
| 04:56.59 | khangg | :) |
| 04:57.38 | khangg | Shirik, http://lua.pastey.net/78983 |
| 04:57.57 | Lukian | I need a slower gun |
| 04:58.36 | Shirik | heh |
| 04:58.36 | Shirik | fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'iostream.h': No such file or directory |
| 04:58.46 | Shirik | this is correct behavior... |
| 04:59.15 | khangg | I don't get that error :S |
| 05:00.10 | Shirik | iostream.h is not standard |
| 05:00.13 | Shirik | the correct name is iostream |
| 05:00.15 | Shirik | but don't change it :P |
| 05:00.31 | khangg | :P okay |
| 05:00.42 | Thelyna | quick question - using Bartender3, I can mousewheel scroll through some of my action bars - is there any way to change which bars that scrolls though? |
| 05:00.48 | Shirik | wow that's a lot of warnings |
| 05:01.03 | Shirik | ok, be more careful |
| 05:01.08 | Shirik | I said put in main "int score = 0;" |
| 05:01.10 | Lukian | Thelyna, I'd like that functionality too |
| 05:01.10 | Shirik | not "int score" |
| 05:01.17 | Shirik | 1>c:\users\mpdelbuono\documents\code\kharr\kharr\kharr.cpp(73) : warning C4701: potentially uninitialized local variable 'answer' used |
| 05:01.18 | Shirik | 1>c:\users\mpdelbuono\documents\code\kharr\kharr\kharr.cpp(212) : warning C4701: potentially uninitialized local variable 'score' used |
| 05:01.26 | Lukian | pester nevcairiel :D |
| 05:02.46 | khangg | I put int score = 0, the score doesn't seem to add up the other correct answers |
| 05:05.00 | Shirik | Okay, tries will always be 3 |
| 05:05.17 | Shirik | seriously, after they get it correct |
| 05:05.19 | Shirik | you really need a break |
| 05:05.22 | Shirik | there's no way around it |
| 05:05.37 | khangg | okay |
| 05:05.39 | Shirik | also, move your score increment out of the loop |
| 05:05.45 | Shirik | I mean, yes there are way around it |
| 05:05.51 | Shirik | but it would be far more work than I expect you to do |
| 05:06.08 | Shirik | normally I'm a fan of making something work well, but right now I just want it to work for you |
| 05:06.10 | Shirik | because I need sleep >< |
| 05:06.17 | khangg | :P okay |
| 05:07.26 | kd3 | new ptr client (though the realms still aren't up...)! new build: 7705. diffs at http://spyglass-server.com/wowints/ |
| 05:07.40 | khangg | break also fixed the 3 correct messages when I typed in the right answer Shirik :) |
| 05:09.27 | Shirik | yup |
| 05:09.30 | Shirik | the two problems were related |
| 05:10.12 | sag_ich_nicht | that diff is very delicious kd3. |
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| 05:11.39 | khangg | Unfortunately, the problem still remains :S |
| 05:11.46 | CIA-13 | 03next96 * r56955 10Postal/Locales/koKR.lua: |
| 05:11.46 | CIA-13 | Postal: |
| 05:11.46 | CIA-13 | - Update locale koKR |
| 05:12.27 | Shadowed | ouch |
| 05:12.28 | Shadowed | AV nerfed |
| 05:12.39 | Shadowed | it'll basically be impossible to kill the general with more then 1 marshal/WM up in 2.3.2 |
| 05:12.47 | harldephin | hm. having both horde and alliance characters on a single realm is kina stupid. |
| 05:12.49 | harldephin | +d |
| 05:13.34 | khangg | Why's that Shadowed ? |
| 05:13.41 | Hjalte | Is there any addon out there that can help a forgetful warlock like me keep up demonic sacrifice when i do -not- have a pet out? |
| 05:13.51 | Shadowed | they give a stacking buff of +20% dmg/health |
| 05:13.51 | Shirik | You moved this outside of the while khangg? |
| 05:13.53 | Shirik | if (tries == 0) { |
| 05:13.53 | Shirik | score +=10; |
| 05:13.53 | Shirik | } |
| 05:13.58 | Shadowed | 4 marshals up = 100% dmg/health done |
| 05:13.59 | Shirik | that needs to be immediately before the return |
| 05:14.03 | khangg | Shirik, yes |
| 05:14.04 | Shirik | not inside the loop |
| 05:14.21 | Shadowed | 100% more damage/health that is |
| 05:14.38 | Shirik | scoring works for me |
| 05:15.09 | khangg | does it show you the total score at the end? |
| 05:15.20 | Shirik | oh, take this out of AdditionLawl(): score = 0; |
| 05:15.23 | Shirik | just completely remove it |
| 05:15.33 | Shirik | khangg: That may be due to visual studio |
| 05:15.39 | Shirik | Add a cout.flush() right before main returns |
| 05:15.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Shadowed: er, either your math is wrong, or are they adding an extra bonus for all 4 being up? |
| 05:15.46 | Shirik | I had to |
| 05:16.01 | Shadowed | extra bonus |
| 05:16.05 | NightHawkTheSane | okay |
| 05:16.16 | Shirik | cout << score << endl; |
| 05:16.17 | Shirik | cout.flush(); |
| 05:16.17 | Shirik | system("pause"); |
| 05:16.17 | Shirik | return(0); |
| 05:16.21 | Shirik | is my last four lines of main |
| 05:16.37 | Xinhuan | if 1 WM is up |
| 05:16.41 | Xinhuan | its still doable i guess |
| 05:16.47 | Xinhuan | by pulling it out/offtanking |
| 05:16.50 | Shadowed | Actually you're right it's wrong, it'll be 80% dmg/health not 100% |
| 05:17.03 | Shadowed | But you won't be able to zerg them down anymore Xinhuan, which is the big thing |
| 05:17.24 | khangg | Shirik, it worked! :D |
| 05:18.25 | Thelyna | so the list of bars that BT3 will page through with shift-scrollwheel is fixed? |
| 05:18.31 | Shirik | =) |
| 05:19.09 | Lukian | Thelyna, that's the response I got |
| 05:19.19 | khangg | Thanks a tonne Shirik :) and now that you know my program works..I guess you can go to bed :) |
| 05:19.31 | Thelyna | ugh |
| 05:19.31 | khangg | Thelyna, you canturn that off in keybindings. |
| 05:19.38 | Shirik | khangg: np, take care |
| 05:20.07 | Thelyna | khangg: no, I want to be able to scroll. I just want to be able to add bar 8 to the scroll list |
| 05:20.24 | khangg | Thelyna, ah |
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| 05:29.42 | khangg | I put together some addons to create a compilation, what do you guys think? I feel like it's missing something, but I don't know what. |
| 05:29.43 | khangg | http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7028/wowscrnshot121307185131pc8.jpg |
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| 05:37.37 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis` |
| 05:37.41 | sag_ich_nicht | wake up |
| 05:37.52 | Hjalte | khangg: Playing a hunter is obviously too easy :) |
| 05:38.07 | khangg | Hjalte, rofl yeah :P |
| 05:38.19 | khangg | What could I do to improve iyo? |
| 05:38.27 | khangg | The UI that is. |
| 05:38.52 | Hjalte | Looks fairly good to me, I think my UI is cluttered. |
| 05:40.02 | khangg | Got a SS? |
| 05:40.47 | Hjalte | www.hjalte.com/ScreenShot010.jpg |
| 05:42.45 | Hjalte | I'd do something about it and maybe try some clickcasting magic like i used to heal on my priest, if i didnt have this terrible assignment over my head these days. |
| 05:43.54 | Xinhuan | lua> strsplit("/", "abc") |
| 05:43.54 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: abc, |
| 05:46.08 | Ellipsis` | sup sag_ich_nicht |
| 05:47.34 | khangg | Hjalte, imo just scale down a lot of things you got there |
| 05:48.58 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis` 2.3.2 patchnotes changed, new entry: # Reduced network latency by disabling the Nagle algorithm. |
| 05:49.00 | sag_ich_nicht | rate the lulz. |
| 05:50.57 | Xinhuan | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html |
| 05:50.59 | Xinhuan | WHOa |
| 05:51.05 | Xinhuan | Reduced network latency by disabling the Nagle algorithm. |
| 05:51.09 | Xinhuan | damn, i'm 5 min slow |
| 05:51.27 | Stanzilla | wtf blutlust realms are still down O.o |
| 05:51.37 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: actually you're more like 45 minutes late |
| 05:51.50 | sag_ich_nicht | Stanzilla indeed, they are |
| 05:52.01 | sag_ich_nicht | i claim complete and utter destruction of the datacenter |
| 05:52.03 | Stanzilla | sag_ich_nicht: sucks big time |
| 05:52.10 | Stanzilla | maybe.. |
| 05:52.28 | sag_ich_nicht | otoh, that might be a good thing |
| 05:52.36 | sag_ich_nicht | because maybe then gul'down will stop being gul'down |
| 05:54.41 | Ellipsis` | sag_ich_nicht: oh god |
| 05:56.56 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis`: i mean, that took only how long, 3 years? i claim heads are rolling at blizzard for this |
| 05:59.11 | Ellipsis` | heh |
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| 06:09.49 | Xinhuan | heh, gonna enjoy 200ms better pings |
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| 06:12.28 | Stanzilla | I wish they would fix the fps problems in hyjal -.- |
| 06:13.19 | khangg | is disabling that nagel thingy bad? |
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| 06:13.55 | Xinhuan | no |
| 06:14.00 | Xinhuan | it will improve ping |
| 06:14.12 | khangg | oo |
| 06:14.13 | Xinhuan | at the cost of more slightly more traffic sent/received |
| 06:14.18 | khangg | that's always nice |
| 06:14.27 | Xinhuan | we're talking about 200ms improvements from australia/singapore |
| 06:14.38 | khangg | that's always nice :) |
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| 06:14.42 | Xinhuan | in US, you wont see any real difference, maybe at most 10-20ms faster |
| 06:14.56 | khangg | I don't lag to my realm that badly anyways, so it won't matter I guess |
| 06:15.02 | sag_ich_nicht | actually can be more |
| 06:15.21 | Xinhuan | it can be, but this puts strain on blizz servers since every packet is not delayed anymore |
| 06:15.30 | Xinhuan | and there will be more tcp header procesing overhead |
| 06:16.13 | Xinhuan | more packets sent instead of collecting small packets into one larger one to be sent |
| 06:17.24 | CIA-13 | 03funkydude * r56956 10BigWigs/Extras/Flash.lua: |
| 06:17.24 | CIA-13 | BigWigs: Extras/Flash: Don't attempt to shake if the world frame is protected (since we can't) and print a message about it once. The world frame usually becomes protected if nameplates are turned on (gg blizz) |
| 06:17.24 | CIA-13 | - needs localization |
| 06:19.21 | sag_ich_nicht | lol@worldframe getting protected when nameplates are turned on |
| 06:19.30 | sag_ich_nicht | actually wait |
| 06:19.38 | sag_ich_nicht | could this be causing a ton of other annoying bugs? |
| 06:19.42 | sag_ich_nicht | probably can. |
| 06:21.32 | Funkeh` | Anyone on US? |
| 06:21.54 | Ellipsis` | yup? |
| 06:22.15 | Funkeh` | Ellipsis`, go post about worldframe becoiming secure when nameplates are turned on plix |
| 06:22.25 | Ellipsis` | er, what's wrong with that |
| 06:22.34 | Funkeh` | It makes me cry irl |
| 06:22.38 | Ellipsis` | sounds intentional though |
| 06:22.51 | Funkeh` | Well lets find out? :) |
| 06:23.03 | Ellipsis` | too lazy |
| 06:23.10 | Funkeh` | ... -_- |
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| 06:23.42 | Ellipsis` | sorry |
| 06:23.53 | Ellipsis` | if it didn't take me 5 mins to alt-tab into firefox I might consider it |
| 06:24.00 | sag_ich_nicht | Funkeh`: go ask in #wowi-lounge |
| 06:24.00 | _rane | my ludwig's item database has reseted for some reason :( |
| 06:27.13 | Xinhuan | hmm UIParent is getting protected in 2.3.2 |
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| 06:27.20 | Xinhuan | apparently |
| 06:29.21 | sag_ich_nicht | [07:27] <Xinhuan> hmm UIParent is getting protected in 2.3.2 <--big lulz incoming |
| 06:29.39 | Nargiddley | UIparent would be protected now wouldnt it ? |
| 06:29.53 | Xinhuan | http://spyglass-server.com/wowints/0.3.2.7627-7655.diff |
| 06:29.55 | Xinhuan | check that |
| 06:30.02 | Xinhuan | -<Frame name="UIParent" setAllPoints="true" frameStrata="MEDIUM"> |
| 06:30.03 | Xinhuan | +<Frame name="UIParent" setAllPoints="true" protected="true" frameStrata="MEDIUM"> |
| 06:30.22 | Nargiddley | well any secure frame that anchors to it would protect it, i'm sure lots do atm |
| 06:30.24 | Stanzilla | crap |
| 06:30.30 | Xinhuan | also |
| 06:30.31 | Xinhuan | -UIDropDownMenu_SetSelectedID(GuildControlPopupFrameDropDown, 1); |
| 06:30.32 | Xinhuan | +UIDropDownMenu_SetSelectedID(GuildControlPopupFrameDropDown, i); |
| 06:30.38 | Xinhuan | i discovered that one lol |
| 06:30.59 | Stanzilla | that's what you fixed in RollCall? |
| 06:31.03 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 06:31.12 | Xinhuan | Roster, not rollcall |
| 06:31.20 | Stanzilla | m k |
| 06:31.56 | Funkeh` | that makes no difference |
| 06:31.58 | Funkeh` | at all |
| 06:32.13 | Funkeh` | so many addons make the UIParent secure as it is |
| 06:32.22 | Funkeh` | it won't affect you at all |
| 06:32.24 | Xinhuan | true that |
| 06:32.37 | Xinhuan | but why make it explicitly protected? |
| 06:32.51 | Funkeh` | Probably so I don't shake your UI |
| 06:33.10 | Xinhuan | the default ui bars already parent itself to uiparent |
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| 06:49.08 | sag_ich_nicht | http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hastelolpp5.jpg LOL HASTE |
| 06:49.57 | haste | spammer! |
| 06:50.44 | sag_ich_nicht | click the link. |
| 06:51.10 | haste | I did |
| 06:51.38 | Xuerian | good lord |
| 06:52.51 | Arrowmaster | im confused, if hes a combat rogue hitting that fast, how does he only have 22 energy when the screenshot was taken |
| 06:53.16 | sag_ich_nicht | look at the combatlog. |
| 06:53.46 | Arrowmaster | my rogue friend has been able to get combat potence to proc so often that hes had more energy than he can use due to gcd |
| 06:54.44 | Arrowmaster | rofl @ tps |
| 06:54.54 | Arrowmaster | 11771 |
| 06:55.05 | CIA-13 | 03kbranch * r56957 10GearDPS/ (Calculations.lua Core.lua): |
| 06:55.05 | CIA-13 | GearDPS: |
| 06:55.05 | CIA-13 | - Fixed a problem where haste rating wasn't being counted. |
| 06:55.07 | sag_ich_nicht | yes. |
| 06:55.43 | Arrowmaster | oh wait |
| 06:55.50 | Arrowmaster | i was looking at the wrong unitframe |
| 06:56.04 | Arrowmaster | it was some other rogue with only 22 energy |
| 06:56.41 | sag_ich_nicht | ^^ |
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| 07:15.51 | Keias | sag_ich_nicht, I used to play with him |
| 07:19.52 | Antiarc | Wow |
| 07:20.02 | Antiarc | Those latest rogue changes are pretty...big. |
| 07:20.15 | Antiarc | Preparation now resets the cooldown of Shadowstep and no longer resets the cooldown of Adrenaline Rush. |
| 07:20.16 | Antiarc | Shadowstep now adds a 3 second, 70% movement speed increase. |
| 07:20.20 | Antiarc | Sinister Calling now also increases the percentage damage bonus of Hemorrhage and Backstab by 2/4/6/8/10%. |
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| 07:35.35 | Orionshock | morning all |
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| 08:01.47 | Orionshock | ok.. so how does one go about adding a "custom" widget to aceGUI-3 ? |
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| 08:03.10 | Xinhuan | no clue |
| 08:03.16 | Xinhuan | you should badger Nargiddley |
| 08:03.49 | Orionshock | well the obvious problem that i see is that the entire structure is hard coded... you can't add a custom widget |
| 08:04.28 | Nargiddley | Orionshock, AceGUI != AceConfigDialog |
| 08:04.37 | Orionshock | :P |
| 08:05.51 | Orionshock | Nargiddley: your right im thinking about this in the wrong way... |
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| 08:12.12 | Nargiddley | no, it was just obvious that you meant AceConfigDialog |
| 08:12.25 | Nargiddley | cause AceGUI is anything but hardcoded |
| 08:14.57 | Orionshock | ya... i love what ya'll have done with the gui, but the lack of documentation is starting to suck :P |
| 08:16.30 | Xinhuan | i still think a text widget should be in the core ;p |
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| 08:17.08 | Orionshock | trying to make one, and pounding sand sounds more productive |
| 08:17.51 | Nargiddley | widget for acegui or a type for options tables ? |
| 08:18.28 | Orionshock | well, i can't manage to do either. so the answer is yes |
| 08:18.46 | Nargiddley | they are two completely different thing |
| 08:19.01 | Xinhuan | ~seen buu |
| 08:19.03 | purl | buu is currently on #debian (4d 19h 37m 22s) #wowhead (4d 19h 37m 22s). Has said a total of 266 messages. Is idling for 6h 19m 24s, last said: 'Paradox: Er, any real company will fly you out there.'. |
| 08:19.19 | Orionshock | so i thought to myself, "Header"'s are alot like what i need. it's a font string but with out the bars on either side. |
| 08:19.35 | Orionshock | so i rip open the widget for the header and i start modifying it... |
| 08:19.48 | Nargiddley | again, you're talking about options table types and asking for widgets, its confusing |
| 08:20.31 | Orionshock | ... no confusing is reading any of the ace3 gui code |
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| 08:21.16 | Orionshock | back to point, so i get that modified header code to load, and register -- no problem... |
| 08:21.32 | Orionshock | so the question is now what do i do, or did i just waste time in the wrong direction? |
| 08:21.46 | Nargiddley | what are you *trying* to do ? |
| 08:22.27 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.33 | Zhinjio | lua> print( string.sub( "blort", 0, 1 ) |
| 08:22.33 | lua_bot | Zhinjio: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "print( string.sub( "blort", 0, 1 )"]:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 08:22.45 | Zhinjio | lua> print( string.sub( "blort", 0, 1 ) ) |
| 08:22.45 | lua_bot | Zhinjio: b |
| 08:22.47 | Nargiddley | AceGUI has nothing to do with options tables |
| 08:23.05 | Zhinjio | lua> print( string.sub( "blort", 0, 0 ) ) |
| 08:23.05 | lua_bot | Zhinjio: |
| 08:23.32 | Orionshock | that's it, nothing special, maybe a get and a set tied to a timer, but not needed |
| 08:24.11 | Orionshock | Nargiddley: your presenting circular logic |
| 08:24.15 | Nargiddley | custom types in options tables are never going to happen |
| 08:24.41 | Orionshock | the options table has EVERYTHING to do with the GUI :P |
| 08:24.46 | Nargiddley | NO |
| 08:25.00 | Nargiddley | and thinking like that will get you nowhere |
| 08:25.07 | Xinhuan | i believe, he, like me, just wants a "label" type widget, that is meaningless in an optionstable but will be used in a GUI |
| 08:25.15 | Orionshock | one... builds the other... the gui has no reason to exist with out the options table... |
| 08:25.44 | Nargiddley | the gui has every reason to exist without the options table |
| 08:25.48 | Orionshock | saying one has nothing to do with the other is irrational |
| 08:26.17 | Nargiddley | asking for an aceoptions table spec feature to go into AceGUI is irrational |
| 08:26.40 | Orionshock | ... |
| 08:26.57 | Nargiddley | the spec, AceConfigDialog's implementation of that spec, and AceGUI's widgets are 3 seperate things |
| 08:27.00 | Wobin_ | How about: The OptionsTable can go into AceGUI, AceGUI doesn't require an optionstable |
| 08:27.17 | Orionshock | how then does one make a options interface with aceGUI if not with an options table? |
| 08:27.17 | Nargiddley | be clear what you are asking for things in |
| 08:27.39 | Nargiddley | just with AceGUI, I've done it |
| 08:28.00 | Nargiddley | AceConfigDialog just translates the options table into AceGUI widgets |
| 08:28.37 | Nargiddley | if you want the spec to have new types, asking for custom widgets will get you nowhere |
| 08:29.16 | Orionshock | the need and urge to chuck bricks at some of you is beginning to rise .... |
| 08:29.18 | Orionshock | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10415.0 |
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| 08:30.19 | Nargiddley | right now there is no way to use a custom widget from an options table |
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| 08:31.01 | Orionshock | well that was kinda obvious after reading the code |
| 08:31.31 | Orionshock | still doesn't answer my question |
| 08:31.36 | Nargiddley | its a stupidly simple change to allow it tho, but that part of the spec is still under discussion |
| 08:32.08 | Orionshock | well i guess one cant complain... it is beta afterall |
| 08:32.13 | Nargiddley | alpha :P |
| 08:32.18 | Orionshock | no no |
| 08:32.21 | Nargiddley | yes yes |
| 08:32.22 | Orionshock | the folder says beta |
| 08:32.40 | Nargiddley | the folder said alpha long before the alpha was released |
| 08:32.58 | Orionshock | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Ace3/Beta/ |
| 08:33.00 | Orionshock | i win :P |
| 08:33.30 | Nargiddley | thats the development version working towards Beta :P |
| 08:33.47 | Stanzilla | it's beta when there's a /beta/ folder in tags.. |
| 08:33.58 | Nargiddley | anyway, what widget do you want to replace with your custom one ? |
| 08:34.02 | Orionshock | im going to go have a smoke ... then come back and contemplate who to poke in the eye to get what i want :P |
| 08:34.06 | Nargiddley | because thats the way its going to work |
| 08:34.39 | Nargiddley | look at what the widget provides and do the same |
| 08:34.55 | Zhinjio | well shit. |
| 08:35.01 | Zhinjio | I may have just crashed wow. |
| 08:35.04 | Zhinjio | or... hmmm. |
| 08:35.49 | Nargiddley | the reason its not in the spec yet, is that its alot of extra documentation and locking down of API's if I have to let widgets be replacable |
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| 08:44.38 | [Ammo] | morning girld |
| 08:44.42 | [Ammo] | s/girld/girls/ |
| 08:46.10 | Orionshock | Nargiddley: i don't want to replace one, i just want a text block to put in the middle of the frame |
| 08:46.32 | Nargiddley | then you want a new type in the options table |
| 08:46.51 | Orionshock | is that too much to ask for? |
| 08:47.06 | Nargiddley | ? |
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| 08:47.19 | Orionshock | a new type |
| 08:47.42 | Nargiddley | no, but hacking at a custom widget wont get you there :P |
| 08:48.04 | Orionshock | no ... but hacking the lib might :P |
| 08:48.14 | Nargiddley | only untill I revert it |
| 08:48.54 | Orionshock | lol as if i'd commit to that branch... i'd get not only my head bitten off but prolly kicked off the svn |
| 08:49.24 | Nargiddley | that lib is an implementation of the spec, if its something that has to go in the options table you need to get it added to the spec |
| 08:49.58 | Nargiddley | I do think a description type or whatever would be useful, gogo jira it :P |
| 08:50.01 | Orionshock | btw where is that spec hosted? what addon controls it? |
| 08:50.04 | basslingo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.10 | Tekkub | :P |
| 08:50.22 | Nargiddley | no addon controls it, theres 3 that implement it |
| 08:50.42 | Nargiddley | the wiki page is what the spec is basically |
| 08:51.04 | Orionshock | Nargiddley: right, it's a "Config" Style lib... who gives any for a simple display method... |
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| 08:51.55 | Orionshock | i want it for /static/ information that is looked at, maybe even minipulated. |
| 08:52.30 | Nargiddley | static or not ? |
| 08:52.44 | Orionshock | think, if it had a "Generic Text Block" and a "Generic Table" implementations, it could be used for not only displaying information but manipulating it , think DKP systems |
| 08:52.45 | Nargiddley | cause you asked for static that isnt static basically |
| 08:53.08 | Nargiddley | table is going too far imo, its for config not a whole addon |
| 08:53.30 | Orionshock | your right, not Truly static, but it has a simple Get() option that you can use to update it when needed |
| 08:54.01 | Nargiddley | no it would have a text field that could be string/function |
| 08:54.18 | Orionshock | even better |
| 08:54.32 | Nargiddley | exactly the same as a heading but displayed differently i guess |
| 08:54.33 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:55.05 | Nargiddley | the gui is refreshed fully at every option set |
| 08:55.09 | CIA-13 | 03zhinjio * r56965 10/branches/SKG/ (SKG_GUI_Bid.lua SKG_Globals.lua SKG_UtilityFunctions.lua): |
| 08:55.09 | CIA-13 | SuicideKingsGeo : |
| 08:55.09 | CIA-13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:55.10 | Aens|Superiority | woot, finished warglaive set! |
| 08:55.14 | Nargiddley | and there will be a way to notify of changes |
| 08:55.17 | Aens|Superiority | well, not me, rogue in my guild. |
| 08:56.08 | Orionshock | meh, don't know bout notify on change, that would be something that the Get() option does or what ever modified it to begin with would need to handle |
| 08:57.24 | CIA-13 | 03jerry * r56966 10ItemBonusLib/ItemBonusLib-1.0/ItemBonusLib-1.0.lua: ItemBonusLib: correct typo in frFR. |
| 08:58.51 | CIA-13 | 03jerry * r56967 10Talented_Data/Talented_Data_frFR.lua: Talented_Data: regenerate |
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| 09:01.46 | Xinhuan | lua> nil and 1 or 2 |
| 09:01.46 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 2 |
| 09:01.51 | Xinhuan | lua> true and 1 or 2 |
| 09:01.51 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 1 |
| 09:03.12 | Tem|AFK | lua> true and false or "wtb a better ternary" |
| 09:03.13 | lua_bot | Tem|AFK: wtb a better ternary |
| 09:04.02 | Xinhuan | well at least now my code won't error |
| 09:04.14 | Xinhuan | local translatednode = LN:HasTranslation(node) and LN[node] or node |
| 09:04.16 | Xinhuan | lolol |
| 09:04.28 | Tem|AFK | um |
| 09:04.44 | Tem|AFK | LN[node] or node is all you need imo |
| 09:04.54 | Tem|AFK | (unless LN[node] errors?) |
| 09:04.57 | Tem|AFK | (lol) |
| 09:05.00 | Xinhuan | yes it errors |
| 09:05.04 | Tem|AFK | lol |
| 09:05.08 | Tem|AFK | shitty api is shitty |
| 09:05.20 | Xinhuan | it errors some "translation does not exist" |
| 09:05.31 | Tem|AFK | that should be debug mode only imo |
| 09:05.39 | Xinhuan | the database in question here is cartographer_treasure |
| 09:05.42 | Tem|AFK | oh well, not my problem |
| 09:05.44 | Xinhuan | where _data adds data |
| 09:05.56 | Xinhuan | but the datamined data isn't added to the translation table |
| 09:08.20 | Xinhuan | taking a bit of effort to add _treasure data to _routes since the SV is stored in a slightly different format |
| 09:09.42 | Orionshock | ahHA |
| 09:09.46 | Orionshock | I WIN http://ace.pastey.net/78993 |
| 09:10.26 | Orionshock | Nargiddley: ^^ |
| 09:11.04 | NeoTron | Illidan to phase 2, 1 elemental down |
| 09:13.01 | Xinhuan | ok question, cartographer_treasure uses this L = AceLibrary:("AceLocale-2.2"):new("Cartographer_Treasure") |
| 09:13.26 | Xinhuan | does this mean if i want to get this very same translation namespace from a rock addon, i have to add ace2 as a optdep? |
| 09:14.02 | cladhaire_ | not if cart_treasure is an optdep already |
| 09:14.08 | cladhaire_ | since it would load acelocale for you |
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| 09:14.28 | Xinhuan | it isn't an optdep but i guess i'll do it that way |
| 09:14.51 | Xinhuan | _treasure isn't part of the actual carto package, so it'll always be disbedded as a standalone addon |
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| 09:17.54 | Arrowmaster | if you are trying to get the data from _treasure by calling AceLibrary:("AceLocale-2.2"):new("Cartographer_Treasure") then you should reqdep _treasure and optdep ace2 |
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| 09:18.06 | cladhaire_ | why would you need to optdep ace2 |
| 09:18.09 | cladhaire_ | that's my point |
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| 09:18.19 | cladhaire | if _treasure is LOADED |
| 09:18.25 | cladhaire | then acelocale will be in libstub |
| 09:18.28 | cladhaire | because it has to be |
| 09:18.52 | _Stan_ | sag_ich_nicht: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1958107121&sid=3 |
| 09:19.03 | Xinhuan | well Arrowmaster, i don't want to reqdep _treasure |
| 09:19.09 | Xinhuan | because the addon can functionally without it |
| 09:19.16 | Xinhuan | because the addon can function without it |
| 09:19.26 | Arrowmaster | ok then |
| 09:19.28 | cladhaire | as i said, optdep treasure, and verify that acelocale exists before running your code |
| 09:19.36 | Xinhuan | but if _treasure is detected, then it should get the translation namespace |
| 09:19.59 | Xinhuan | yeah, i just need to find the syntax to verify that acelocale exists |
| 09:20.27 | Arrowmaster | yeah dont just check that _treasure is detected, make sure you check that acelocale exists incase _treasure is ever chagned |
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| 09:20.47 | Arrowmaster | then youd get a slightly different but more helpful error |
| 09:21.00 | basslingo | ugh cant find a good casting comm library -.- |
| 09:21.01 | Xinhuan | do you offhand know the way to check if acelocale exists? |
| 09:21.22 | cladhaire | use libstub |
| 09:21.44 | Arrowmaster | acelibrary uses libstub now? |
| 09:21.50 | cladhaire | err acelibrary then |
| 09:21.52 | cladhaire | whatever it uses |
| 09:21.57 | cladhaire | but yes, i think it does actually |
| 09:22.00 | cladhaire | who knows |
| 09:22.19 | Xinhuan | libstub is embedded in acelibrary-2.0 |
| 09:22.52 | Arrowmaster | well there had been a ton of error reports about problems with acelibrary libs in cartographer that were getting called with Rock() because theres some kinda load order bug with one of them |
| 09:23.25 | Arrowmaster | or upgrade bug |
| 09:25.23 | Xinhuan | so |
| 09:25.24 | Xinhuan | local CT = LibStub:GetLibrary("AceLocale-2.2", 1) |
| 09:25.24 | Xinhuan | if CT then CT = CT:new("Cartographer_Treasure") end |
| 09:25.27 | Xinhuan | that should work? |
| 09:26.08 | Xinhuan | if it exists, CT will be that translation namespace, else it'll be nil |
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| 09:38.03 | DJNW | Mornin' all - anyone know what the wee frame that shows flag/tower capping progress is called? Mine's stuck below my minimap, and the 'grab' button's just throwing an arror |
| 09:39.06 | Xion` | I guess the name would be dependant on whicever addon created it |
| 09:40.14 | Lukian | I think he means the default one |
| 09:41.26 | Orionshock | DJNW: WorldFrameAlwaysUp |
| 09:41.28 | Orionshock | iirc |
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| 09:48.20 | DJNW | Note to self: hiding "WorldFrame" causes an eclipse |
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| 09:52.25 | digmouse | what's the error info |
| 09:54.00 | starlon | lol |
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| 09:56.34 | digmouse | DJNW: u r using any minimap enhancement mods? |
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| 09:58.17 | Ghostsss | Anyone here? |
| 09:58.38 | Ghostsss | Anyone? |
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| 09:59.19 | Xion` | don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 09:59.19 | Ghostsss | Anyone here? |
| 09:59.21 | Ghostsss | Just a quick question. Will 2.3.0 AddOns work with 2.2.3? |
| 09:59.24 | Ghostsss | I see. |
| 09:59.26 | Ghostsss | Well I just asked. |
| 09:59.45 | ramoz | And the answer is YES! |
| 09:59.50 | Xion` | most probably anyway |
| 09:59.56 | ramoz | but why do you have 2.2.3? |
| 10:00.12 | ramoz | you mean 2.3.2 |
| 10:00.25 | Ghostsss | No. |
| 10:00.31 | Ghostsss | I mean 2.2.3 |
| 10:00.38 | _Stan_ | smells like mr. privat server |
| 10:00.42 | Xion` | mhm |
| 10:00.42 | _Stan_ | *e |
| 10:00.56 | Ghostsss | I'm not saying I play on a private server at all. |
| 10:01.04 | Ghostsss | As that's illegal right? ;) |
| 10:01.15 | Ghostsss | It's just a general question. :) |
| 10:01.19 | _Stan_ | Ghostsss: there's only one version you have to care about as of now and that is 2.3 :) |
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| 10:01.30 | basslingo | so heres a general answer, depends on the mod |
| 10:01.47 | Ghostsss | Ok, now how would I know? Or how would I be able to tell? |
| 10:01.58 | cladhaire | you will find people in these channels aren't very willing to help people who are playing on private servers, in general. |
| 10:02.01 | basslingo | by downloading and trying it? |
| 10:02.06 | Ghostsss | This is true. |
| 10:03.15 | Xion` | trial and error would be the only way I guess |
| 10:03.29 | Xion` | not like most addons are very big anyway |
| 10:03.41 | Ghostsss | Sounds like a plan, thanks for the info. :) |
| 10:04.51 | basslingo | anyone here have experiance with HealComm-2.0 ? |
| 10:05.13 | basslingo | no documentation ftl |
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| 10:07.31 | basslingo | wait nvm i think i understand it now |
| 10:08.18 | basslingo | didnt see those ace events gettin triggered ^^ |
| 10:10.05 | digmouse | em most 2.3 mod works on 2.2 but... depends on the hook, maybe |
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| 10:22.21 | basslingo | stupid question but ive never played a healer..... whats the longest cast time for a heal. |
| 10:23.34 | cladhaire | Greater Heal (3 seconds( |
| 10:23.37 | kebinusan | 3.5 seconds on healing touch |
| 10:23.40 | cladhaire | asuming no curse of tongues |
| 10:23.46 | cladhaire | kebinusan: ah yes, forgot about that |
| 10:24.18 | cladhaire | been a while since i've played my drood |
| 10:24.55 | kebinusan | druids are kinda fun to play |
| 10:25.01 | kebinusan | especially with the instant shift to another form now |
| 10:27.29 | evl\Blend | * Preparation now resets the cooldown of Shadowstep and no longer resets the cooldown of Adrenaline Rush. |
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| 10:28.02 | kebinusan | nice |
| 10:28.26 | evl\Blend | I'm a rogue :( |
| 10:28.52 | kebinusan | oh |
| 10:28.54 | kebinusan | :-( |
| 10:29.09 | kebinusan | Im sick of seeing ar/prep rogues in 2v2 |
| 10:29.34 | evl\Blend | problem is finding a build with enough power to kill druids/warriors |
| 10:29.40 | evl\Blend | everything else is pretty easy |
| 10:29.59 | buu | Xinhuan: What's up? |
| 10:30.29 | Xinhuan | uh, just fixing up _Treasure to work in _Routes, its a bit trickier than i expected, the database is in a different format |
| 10:30.40 | basslingo | thanks ^^ |
| 10:31.26 | digmouse | heard that in 2.3.2 shadowstep patched |
| 10:32.15 | Chompers | Shadowstep now adds a 3 second, 70% movement speed increase. |
| 10:32.17 | Chompers | :O |
| 10:33.00 | evl\Blend | SO what |
| 10:33.15 | evl\Blend | Shadowstep is an ability that is pretty much useless unless you plan on oneshotting people |
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| 10:38.19 | buu | Xinhuan: =[ |
| 10:38.22 | buu | Xinhuan: This makes me cry. |
| 10:38.25 | buu | Xinhuan: Can you fake it? |
| 10:38.30 | Xinhuan | ? |
| 10:38.53 | Xinhuan | the SetNote of treasure doesn't pass the args to _routes zzz |
| 10:39.03 | Xinhuan | or rather, it uses a different string |
| 10:39.27 | buu | Maybe write a small hack that creates a second database based on the information in the real treasure one? |
| 10:39.50 | Xinhuan | nah, the only thing that doesn't work is the auto route updating, for treasure |
| 10:40.55 | Xion` | <evl\Blend> Shadowstep is an ability that is pretty much useless unless you plan on oneshotting people <-- don't forget it's great if you're in a hurry to the other side of the world |
| 10:41.09 | evl\Blend | that too :D |
| 10:41.46 | basslingo | -.- just saw the strangest thing. friends over at my place and 1 shotted a mage with a thrown weapon |
| 10:41.55 | basslingo | both 70's in arena |
| 10:42.02 | evl\Blend | They take away all the toe-to-toe abilities, that's what bothers me. You don't burst down warrior/druid, you have to stay on them and hammer away |
| 10:42.22 | basslingo | hes a war wearing leather for maxed crit and AP |
| 10:43.01 | evl\Blend | uh? a level 20 mage? |
| 10:43.05 | evl\Blend | no mage has 2-3000 hp |
| 10:43.08 | basslingo | 70 |
| 10:44.04 | basslingo | it was a 6428 crit 0.0 |
| 10:44.38 | sb | meleemage? |
| 10:44.42 | sb | :o |
| 10:44.56 | basslingo | ok its not a thrown weapon, its an axe with a 'use' ability to throw |
| 10:45.58 | evl\Blend | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28767 |
| 10:45.59 | evl\Blend | this baby? |
| 10:46.53 | basslingo | no |
| 10:47.25 | Megalon | there are not many other axe's with a use: to throw it ;) |
| 10:48.02 | evl\Blend | That's the only one afaik |
| 10:48.19 | basslingo | wait.... read that wrong, yea thats it -.- |
| 10:48.59 | basslingo | hes got http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=42974 on it |
| 10:49.08 | evl\Blend | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=2&filter=ty=0:1;cr=107;crs=0;crv=Use |
| 10:50.22 | kebinusan | I forgot what a good read this was: http://www.thesneeze.com/mt-archives/cat_steve_dont_eat_it.php |
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| 10:52.46 | CIA-13 | 037destiny * r56970 10BigWigs/Extras/Flash.lua: BigWigs: Extras/Flash: koKR Update |
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| 10:56.38 | Xinhuan | if db_type == "Treasure" then |
| 10:56.38 | Xinhuan | node = Cartographer:GetModule("Notes").externalDBs.Treasure[zone][Cartographer_Notes.getID(x,y)].title |
| 10:56.38 | Xinhuan | end |
| 10:56.45 | Xinhuan | oops |
| 10:57.01 | haste | lovely table lookup |
| 10:57.03 | _Stan_ | ~fail Xinhuan |
| 10:57.04 | purl | Xinhuan: Fail. |
| 10:57.16 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 10:57.19 | Xinhuan | not much i can do |
| 10:58.42 | haste | If I had to write that one.. I would clearly do Cartographer.GetModule(Cartographer,... just to make it looks nastier D: |
| 11:04.45 | Xinhuan | testing hmm |
| 11:04.53 | Xinhuan | took a while to find a chest |
| 11:05.05 | aeon|Capullo | hiho, is it possible to move this stupid rock minimap icon, or to place it in fubar? |
| 11:05.15 | Matrix110 | you can disable it even:P |
| 11:06.05 | aeon|Capullo | ok, i can make a makro with /rock i think |
| 11:06.36 | aeon|Capullo | und matrix, alles banane? |
| 11:09.46 | Matrix110 | geht so |
| 11:10.00 | Matrix110 | and you can just shift+rightlick on Fubar orso to open rock config |
| 11:11.34 | CIA-13 | 037destiny * r56971 10CastYeller/ (Locale-koKR.lua announces/mage.lua): |
| 11:11.34 | CIA-13 | CastYeller: |
| 11:11.34 | CIA-13 | - mage typo fix |
| 11:11.34 | CIA-13 | - Update locale koKR |
| 11:12.47 | aeon|Capullo | crazy, i added yesterday a dword value to the registry of my NIC and i have now 45ms latency instead of 200ms+ |
| 11:14.24 | CIA-13 | 03fieroivan * r56972 10TradeskillInfoUI/ (TradeskillInfoUI.lua TradeskillInfoUI.xml): |
| 11:14.24 | CIA-13 | TradeskillInfoUI: Temporary fix for incorrect text placement in |
| 11:14.24 | CIA-13 | item details. |
| 11:21.31 | Orionshock | Nargiddley: im starting to understand this "widget"-ness of AceGUI |
| 11:23.11 | Nargiddley | what about it ? |
| 11:23.28 | Orionshock | did you see the pastey i link'ed a few hours ago |
| 11:23.38 | Nargiddley | yeah |
| 11:23.54 | Orionshock | is more along the lines of what i need |
| 11:24.10 | Orionshock | now that i realized what my tools where |
| 11:24.34 | Orionshock | *are |
| 11:24.51 | Nargiddley | I still dont know what you're trying to do |
| 11:25.08 | Nargiddley | I know what the widget does, I just dont see where you're trying to integrate it |
| 11:26.11 | Orionshock | i don't like tablet, and i have a table to display... |
| 11:26.29 | Nargiddley | you seemed to want it as part of an options table, but now you're going as part of something using just AceGUI |
| 11:26.34 | Nargiddley | ah |
| 11:26.35 | Nargiddley | ok |
| 11:27.31 | Orionshock | and well it would look better if it was a functional part of the options table, because IMHO it would look shitloads better... but... |
| 11:27.40 | Orionshock | i see the light of the power of the widget |
| 11:27.52 | Nargiddley | well, theres no way to get custom things into the options table right now |
| 11:28.08 | Nargiddley | and probably wont ever be for things going this far away from the other controls |
| 11:28.41 | Orionshock | easiest way to do it is type="frameObject", frame = <FrameName> or func, |
| 11:28.52 | Nargiddley | never going to happen |
| 11:29.01 | Orionshock | that way it can be what ever you want it to be, a pic / graphic/ gui widget |
| 11:29.14 | Nargiddley | what does a command line / dropdown do with that ? |
| 11:29.20 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.04 | Orionshock | tho a drop down could... scale it |
| 11:30.17 | Orionshock | ... no that wouldn't work.. |
| 11:30.38 | Nargiddley | the tables are for things that go in all 3 |
| 11:30.45 | Nargiddley | take a look at ConfigWrangler |
| 11:30.49 | Nargiddley | you can do it the other way around |
| 11:31.01 | Nargiddley | embed the options in your own container with things around them |
| 11:31.11 | Orionshock | having a problem with buttons... can't add a button |
| 11:31.37 | Nargiddley | with the pastey you showed me before, you set layout = "fill", thats a one control layout |
| 11:32.24 | Orionshock | ya... |
| 11:32.30 | Orionshock | what's flow look like? |
| 11:32.44 | Nargiddley | flow is what the Config uses |
| 11:32.51 | Nargiddley | fills left to right then down |
| 11:32.55 | Nargiddley | as things fit |
| 11:33.13 | Nargiddley | set width = "fill" on a control and it'll stretch to full width (like headers) |
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| 11:34.49 | Orionshock | ... with the button, fill don't work; flow makes both dissapear and so does list |
| 11:35.06 | Nargiddley | you need width and height on children for flow |
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| 11:36.03 | Nargiddley | size the frame I mean, dont set .width |
| 11:36.37 | Orionshock | ? |
| 11:37.29 | Nargiddley | widgets don't get a size set for flow layout, fill they do |
| 11:37.38 | Nargiddley | thats a guess why they arent showing |
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| 11:43.39 | Orionshock | coding addons mid raid on gruul's is a bad idea |
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| 11:50.28 | Orionshock | lol Gruul's lair.. hum... this strat sounds familiar |
| 11:50.41 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.47 | Kalroth | :D |
| 11:51.19 | Orionshock | now that's 2, 4 to the left, |
| 11:51.29 | Orionshock | 3,5 to the right, group 1 is melee |
| 11:51.34 | Orionshock | tsol |
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| 12:02.21 | Orionshock | why does Gruul feel lot like Ony? |
| 12:02.40 | Codayus | Short raid. Zone in, kill a couple trash pulls, knock boss over. |
| 12:02.58 | Codayus | Both live in caves at the end of tunnells. |
| 12:03.35 | Gngsk | they liked the way ony felt and so they were going for the same feel when they designed gruul |
| 12:05.00 | Orionshock | LOLZ Codayus |
| 12:16.47 | RaydenUni | Codayus only a newb boss would live in the *middle* of a cave |
| 12:17.11 | RaydenUni | also how do you distinguish between tunnel and cave |
| 12:22.10 | Xion` | a tunnel has 1 opening on each side? |
| 12:23.53 | CIA-13 | 03nevcairiel 07Beta * r56973 10Ace3/AceGUI-3.0/widgets/AceGUIWidget-EditBox.lua: |
| 12:23.53 | CIA-13 | Ace3 - AceGUI-3.0 |
| 12:23.53 | CIA-13 | - fix bug in the editbox widget |
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| 12:41.30 | Neebler | hmm is there a way to have a /use on a castsequence macro? |
| 12:42.24 | Tem|AFK | Neebler, just stick it in the castsqeuence |
| 12:42.44 | Tem|AFK | the name 'castsequence' is a misnomer since it'll do anything that /cast or /use will |
| 12:44.08 | Xinhuan | also /use is just an alias for /cast |
| 12:44.44 | Tem|AFK | Xinhuan, it wasn't the last time I looked |
| 12:44.44 | Xinhuan | so you can use /use and /cast interchangably |
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| 12:44.54 | Xinhuan | it is |
| 12:44.56 | CIA-13 | 03joshborke 07Ace3 * r56974 10RaidCast/RaidCast_Config.lua: RaidCast: use patterns for filters |
| 12:44.57 | Tem|AFK | (it's been a long while since I've looked, though) |
| 12:45.00 | Xinhuan | go look again, in UIParent.lua |
| 12:45.08 | Tem|AFK | it wouldn't be in UIParent.lua |
| 12:45.15 | Xinhuan | they merely aliased the function over |
| 12:45.17 | Tem|AFK | of that I AM sure |
| 12:45.21 | Xinhuan | yeah, its in chatframe.lua, sorry |
| 12:45.44 | Xinhuan | just do a search for it |
| 12:46.03 | Tem|AFK | what a pain |
| 12:46.40 | Tem|AFK | I need to get in the habit of keeping a copy of the current blizzard ui files somewhere convenient |
| 12:47.26 | Neebler | woot /castsequence Blind, Heavy Netherweave Bandage |
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| 12:49.12 | Tem|AFK | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.13 | CIA-13 | 03nevcairiel 07Beta * r56975 10Ace3/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Ace3 - fix return values in safecall |
| 12:49.20 | Tem|AFK | suck on that, rogue |
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| 12:49.47 | Tem|AFK | Xinhuan, yep, you're right |
| 12:49.50 | simlan | I have a structure { ["X"] = "x", ["Y"] = "y" }, how can I find out its size (two in this case)? |
| 12:50.12 | simlan | getn does not seem to work |
| 12:50.12 | JoshBorke | simlan: local count = 0 for k, v in pairs(t) do count = count + 1 end |
| 12:50.16 | Xinhuan | you do a pairs() over it |
| 12:50.19 | Xinhuan | and count manually |
| 12:50.25 | Tem|AFK | simlan, well, that's because getn doesn't exist anymore |
| 12:50.43 | Xinhuan | actually getn() still exists, but it will onyl work on numeric index tables |
| 12:51.02 | Tem|AFK | Xinhuan, that must be a modification in wow's lua |
| 12:51.06 | simlan | Ok, thank you |
| 12:51.07 | Xinhuan | lua> table.getn({1, 2, 3}) |
| 12:51.07 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 3, |
| 12:51.11 | Xinhuan | its not |
| 12:51.13 | Tem|AFK | I don't think it's still there in 5.1.2 |
| 12:51.15 | Xinhuan | its still a valid function |
| 12:51.50 | krka | table.getn is only their if you run in compat-mode |
| 12:51.53 | krka | it's deprecated |
| 12:51.53 | Tem|AFK | aha |
| 12:51.56 | krka | *there |
| 12:51.59 | Tem|AFK | I knew it wasn't normally there |
| 12:52.00 | krka | stupid spelling error |
| 12:52.12 | krka | 7.2 - Changes in the Libraries |
| 12:52.16 | krka | Function table.setn was deprecated. Function table.getn corresponds to the new length operator (#); use the operator instead of the function. (See compile-time option LUA_COMPAT_GETN in luaconf.h.) |
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| 12:52.40 | Xinhuan | fact is it still exists, even if deprecated ;p |
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| 12:52.46 | Xinhuan | its just aliased to # |
| 12:52.58 | Tem|AFK | l2notusedeprecatedthings |
| 12:53.01 | simlan | I use getn for arrays and this works, but if this is deprecated, what else shoud I use to count array elements? |
| 12:53.03 | Xinhuan | i don't |
| 12:53.09 | Tem|AFK | simlan, don't use getn |
| 12:53.14 | Tem|AFK | _don't_ |
| 12:53.23 | Xinhuan | i merely pointed out that getn(), just like #, only works on numeric indexed tables |
| 12:53.25 | simlan | Ok ok :) What else should I use |
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| 12:53.29 | Tem|AFK | # |
| 12:53.31 | Tem|AFK | good lord |
| 12:53.49 | Tem|AFK | meh |
| 12:53.52 | [Ammo] | you need sleep tem |
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| 12:54.07 | simlan | First time I see this :) |
| 12:54.09 | Tem|AFK | simlan, also note that # only counts up to a nil value |
| 12:54.13 | Tem|AFK | for example |
| 12:54.25 | krka | table.getn is likely to be removed from lua in some near future |
| 12:54.27 | Tem|AFK | lua> #{1,2,3,nil,5,6,7,8,9,0} |
| 12:54.27 | lua_bot | Tem|AFK: 10 |
| 12:54.36 | nevcairiel | Tem|AFK: owned |
| 12:54.37 | Tem|AFK | ah, because I did it in the constructor |
| 12:54.44 | basslingo | anyone else's server goin down? |
| 12:54.50 | krka | Tem|AFK: i don't think you described #-behaviour accurately |
| 12:55.07 | simlan | Wow what was that? |
| 12:55.14 | simlan | lua> #{1,2,3} |
| 12:55.14 | krka | # will return an index i, such that t[i] is not nil and t[i + 1] is nil |
| 12:55.15 | lua_bot | simlan: 3 |
| 12:55.16 | JoshBorke | # is guaranteed to return a number n such that n+1 == nil |
| 12:55.29 | simlan | really cool this lua bot |
| 12:55.35 | Xinhuan | [12/14 20:50:03] <JoshBorke> simlan: local count = 0 for k, v in pairs(t) do count = count + 1 end |
| 12:55.38 | Xinhuan | end of discussion! |
| 12:55.53 | Tem|AFK | lua> t ={1,2,3} t[5] = 5 t[6] = 6 print(#t) |
| 12:55.53 | lua_bot | Tem|AFK: 3 |
| 12:55.57 | Tem|AFK | there we go |
| 12:56.03 | Tem|AFK | that's what I was trying to warn against |
| 12:56.07 | krka | lua> #{1,nil, nil, nil, nil, 6} |
| 12:56.07 | lua_bot | krka: 6 |
| 12:56.13 | krka | lua> #{1,nil, nil, nil, nil, 6, nil, nil} |
| 12:56.13 | lua_bot | krka: 1 |
| 12:56.18 | krka | good stuff |
| 12:56.20 | nevcairiel | now thats weird |
| 12:56.25 | Tem|AFK | not really |
| 12:56.50 | Tem|AFK | doing it in the table constructor is what allows it to catch that situation |
| 12:56.51 | nevcairiel | why does adding two nil elements move the count back to 1 while it doesnt before? |
| 12:57.09 | Xinhuan | does it matter? |
| 12:57.22 | nevcairiel | to please my curiousity, sure |
| 12:57.37 | Xinhuan | # will only give a gauranteed consistent result on a numerically indexed table with no holes, that starts from 1! |
| 12:58.25 | krka | it has to do with the internal construction of the table |
| 12:58.35 | krka | it has two parts, an array part and a hash part |
| 12:58.55 | krka | the size of the array part is initially set up based on the number of arguments in the construction parameter list |
| 12:58.56 | Tem|AFK | if you can trick it into using the hash part, the count becomes wrong |
| 12:59.18 | krka | no, it never does anything wrong :) |
| 12:59.23 | Tem|AFK | "wrong" |
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| 13:00.58 | chexsum | hello party people! |
| 13:01.10 | chexsum | kek |
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| 13:02.33 | simlan | lua> arry = {"a", 1, "b", 2} print(#arry) |
| 13:02.34 | lua_bot | simlan: 4 |
| 13:03.06 | simlan | this bot is just to cool to be true, I need that for C++ |
| 13:03.18 | simlan | *too |
| 13:03.20 | JoshBorke | simlan: you can join #luabot if you'd like to play with it |
| 13:03.51 | cncfanatics | yo peeps ! |
| 13:03.52 | simlan | ah thank you, this way I don't need to spam the channel |
| 13:04.17 | chexsum | working at a bottle shop is bad for an alcoholic |
| 13:04.35 | RaydenUni | anyone feel like leveling me a warrior to 20? |
| 13:04.49 | chexsum | its not that hard to get 20 |
| 13:05.05 | RaydenUni | yeah but i just did it |
| 13:05.07 | RaydenUni | twice |
| 13:05.07 | chexsum | takes about 2 days |
| 13:05.18 | krka | you could also just get a lua interpreter installed locally |
| 13:05.33 | chexsum | krka wheres the fun in that? |
| 13:06.04 | Xinhuan | i believe the bot works in PMs too |
| 13:06.05 | chexsum | luabot is live and interactive! |
| 13:06.16 | chexsum | its cutting edge |
| 13:07.39 | krka | so's your mom! |
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| 13:08.39 | RaydenUni | someone should do a study on how long people spend in each zone as they level |
| 13:08.43 | basslingo | lua> print("hello") |
| 13:08.44 | lua_bot | basslingo: hello |
| 13:08.53 | basslingo | lua>exit |
| 13:08.53 | lua_bot | basslingo: nil |
| 13:09.17 | RaydenUni | durotar 1%, barrens 30%, 1k needles, 5%, Hillsbrad, 5%, Arathi 10%, STV 20%, etc |
| 13:10.05 | chexsum | lol |
| 13:10.18 | basslingo | lua>io.close() |
| 13:10.18 | lua_bot | basslingo: [string "io.close()"]:1: attempt to index global 'io' (a nil value) |
| 13:10.22 | basslingo | meh |
| 13:10.34 | chexsum | lua>print(1/0) |
| 13:10.34 | lua_bot | chexsum: inf |
| 13:10.39 | chexsum | ;) |
| 13:10.50 | chexsum | ill get you yet! |
| 13:11.27 | krka | lua> function f() pcall(f) end f() |
| 13:11.27 | lua_bot | krka: |
| 13:11.41 | krka | hmm |
| 13:12.16 | basslingo | lua>_VERSION |
| 13:12.16 | lua_bot | basslingo: Lua 5.1 |
| 13:12.24 | cladhaire | thats a lie |
| 13:12.26 | cladhaire | but a reasonable lie |
| 13:13.05 | basslingo | lua>os.date |
| 13:13.05 | lua_bot | basslingo: function: 0x806e698 |
| 13:13.11 | basslingo | lua>os.date() |
| 13:13.11 | lua_bot | basslingo: Fri Dec 14 08:13:11 2007, |
| 13:13.27 | basslingo | lua>os.exit() |
| 13:13.27 | lua_bot | basslingo: [string "os.exit()"]:1: attempt to call field 'exit' (a nil value) |
| 13:13.44 | cladhaire | so they don't continue to spam the channel |
| 13:13.47 | basslingo | hehe |
| 13:13.50 | cladhaire | with their feeble attempts to crash the bot |
| 13:14.38 | basslingo | lua>os.execute('dir') |
| 13:14.39 | lua_bot | basslingo: [string "os.execute('dir')"]:1: attempt to call field 'execute' (a nil value) |
| 13:15.09 | basslingo | lua>debug.getregistry () |
| 13:15.09 | lua_bot | basslingo: [string "debug.getregistry ()"]:1: attempt to index global 'debug' (a nil value) |
| 13:15.17 | basslingo | lua>debug.getregistry() |
| 13:15.18 | lua_bot | basslingo: [string "debug.getregistry()"]:1: attempt to index global 'debug' (a nil value) |
| 13:15.31 | basslingo | whops, wrong pane ^^ |
| 13:15.32 | haste | read the error, and what cladhaire said maybe? |
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| 13:22.54 | krka | lua> local s=("a"):rep(1e6) return s.match("a*b") |
| 13:22.54 | lua_bot | krka: [string "local s=("a"):rep(1e6) return s.match("a*b"..."]:1: bad argument #2 to 'match' (string expected, got no value) |
| 13:23.07 | krka | lua> local s=("a"):rep(1e6) return s:match("a*b") |
| 13:23.07 | lua_bot | krka: nil |
| 13:23.34 | krka | weird, fast reply |
| 13:23.51 | cladhaire | i truncate string.rep strings |
| 13:23.57 | krka | to what? |
| 13:24.05 | cladhaire | lua> #("a"):rep(1e6) |
| 13:24.05 | lua_bot | cladhaire: 300 |
| 13:24.06 | cladhaire | 300 |
| 13:24.12 | cladhaire | since the output of the bot is limited to 300 chracters |
| 13:24.16 | krka | ah, right |
| 13:24.29 | cladhaire | anyone blowing that out, is trying to break the bot :P |
| 13:24.57 | krka | lua> local s = "a" while #s < 1e20 do s=s..s end return s:match("a*b") |
| 13:24.57 | lua_bot | krka: sandbox.lua:157: maximum memory (5000 KiB) exceeded |
| 13:25.03 | krka | lua> local s = "a" while #s < 1e5 do s=s..s end return s:match("a*b") |
| 13:25.33 | chexsum | k lets spam that one now |
| 13:25.37 | cladhaire | intentionally catching it in a C function is dirty. |
| 13:25.39 | chexsum | :P |
| 13:25.48 | krka | yet funny |
| 13:26.03 | krka | lua> "alive" |
| 13:26.08 | krka | not multithreaded then |
| 13:26.12 | cladhaire | no its not. |
| 13:26.14 | cladhaire | funny until the kiddies start spamming it over and over again |
| 13:26.15 | chexsum | umarr you broke the bot! |
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| 13:26.28 | chexsum | youre in trouble now |
| 13:26.39 | cladhaire | it'll return |
| 13:26.40 | krka | no, clad loves me anyway :) |
| 13:26.45 | cladhaire | eventually |
| 13:26.57 | basslingo | might have been me |
| 13:27.07 | basslingo | i hit it with a print(-nil) |
| 13:27.13 | cladhaire | it wasn't. |
| 13:27.23 | cladhaire | print(-nil) won't crash it. |
| 13:27.44 | chexsum | lol |
| 13:27.50 | cladhaire | btw.. my bot doesn't' auto-reconnect |
| 13:27.53 | cladhaire | so if you lock it |
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| 13:28.00 | cladhaire | i'm aware who and what was used to do it |
| 13:28.15 | cladhaire | repeated asshattery will not be tolerated. |
| 13:28.24 | basslingo | i should bring my bot in here some time |
| 13:29.05 | Kalroth | krka and asshattery in same sentence? impossible! |
| 13:31.20 | krka | cladhaire: you could disable those particular functions |
| 13:31.44 | cladhaire | string.match? |
| 13:31.47 | cladhaire | that would be absurd |
| 13:31.51 | cladhaire | i could just hook it as I do the rest |
| 13:32.07 | kebinusan | I wish you could mute people in raid chat |
| 13:33.00 | Antiarc | You could do it with an addon |
| 13:33.03 | Ozguli- | kebinusan I thought it's possible |
| 13:33.18 | cladhaire | there are api functions to mute and silence people in a channel |
| 13:33.32 | krka | i could make a macro in irssi to mute lua_bot :) |
| 13:33.36 | Antiarc | Custom channels, yes |
| 13:33.38 | Antiarc | Raid channels? |
| 13:33.41 | Antiarc | I dunno! |
| 13:33.42 | cladhaire | yes |
| 13:33.51 | krka | unfortunately i won't be able to make an unmute |
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| 13:34.18 | kebinusan | hmm I must consult wowwiki |
| 13:34.24 | cladhaire | wowwiki doesn't have it |
| 13:34.27 | cladhaire | as usual |
| 13:34.31 | cladhaire | AddOrDelMute() can do voice |
| 13:34.40 | cladhaire | are you referring to text chat? |
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| 13:40.58 | chexsum | finally figured out how to replicate the bugs ive got with my keyboard |
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| 13:41.30 | chexsum | if i hold alt and press W i cant use a macro to renew myself |
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| 13:41.41 | krka | let's play lua_bot-kill golf, here's my submission: s='a';for i=1,20 do s=s..s;end;s:match('a*b') |
| 13:41.47 | chexsum | but i can autorun or use E and the macro works |
| 13:42.17 | nevcairiel | krka: a 20 string char can kill it already? |
| 13:42.23 | chexsum | anyone got any idea why it happens to me ? |
| 13:42.32 | nevcairiel | *char string :P |
| 13:43.00 | chexsum | the macro is /cast [modifier,target=player] Renew; [harm] Shadow Word: Pain; Renew |
| 13:44.21 | kenlyric | i assume W isn't bound to forward? |
| 13:44.55 | Josh_Borke | krka: claddy waddy doesn't like it when you kill the bot ;-P |
| 13:45.30 | krka | it's not killing it, merely delaying it slightly |
| 13:48.52 | Tem|AFK | "slightly" |
| 13:49.05 | cladhaire | krka: ... |
| 13:49.11 | krka | can anyone do it in fewer characters? :) |
| 13:49.15 | cladhaire | awesome, so i'm goign to remove the fucking bot. |
| 13:49.17 | cladhaire | good to know. |
| 13:49.18 | cladhaire | asshats |
| 13:49.25 | krka | i just did it once |
| 13:49.26 | cladhaire | have fun crashing what isn't there. |
| 13:49.29 | cladhaire | . |
| 13:49.31 | cladhaire | ... |
| 13:49.38 | cladhaire | the bot isn't here os you can play games with it trying to crash it |
| 13:49.40 | cladhaire | its here as a resource |
| 13:49.53 | cladhaire | "krka: let's play lua_bot-kill golf, here's my submission: s='a';for i=1,20 do s=s..s;end;s:match('a*b')" |
| 13:49.58 | cladhaire | is nothing more than concentrated asshat |
| 13:50.19 | krka | i used my own lua interpreter to play in |
| 13:50.29 | cladhaire | and I don't appreciate it. |
| 13:50.31 | cladhaire | grats? |
| 13:50.46 | cladhaire | yes, every single long string that runs through a c function will crash the bot |
| 13:51.27 | cladhaire | if you're all too immature to accept that without requiring me to hook every single genv function, and metatable function so you can't crash the bot intentionally.. then I'm not going to play games. |
| 13:51.40 | krka | really? i thought i was just exploiting a specific pattern |
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| 13:51.58 | cladhaire | loadstring() will segfault witha large string |
| 13:52.01 | cladhaire | string.find will choke |
| 13:52.12 | cladhaire | string.sub should succeed, but i'm not going to wait to find out if it does or not |
| 13:52.34 | cladhaire | the point is, its not a game, I wrote the bot so the channels it sits in have a lua resource to explain simple code snippets to other people |
| 13:52.48 | cladhaire | and I'm not going to waste my time hunting after who killed the bot, and why |
| 13:52.56 | cladhaire | that would be fighting a losing battle |
| 13:53.45 | Fisker- | YOU |
| 13:53.53 | thul | I sense a lot of anger. |
| 13:54.21 | cladhaire | well i had thought I already made my point blatantly clear, but apparently not. |
| 13:54.57 | Wobin_ | anger leads to fear... fear to twinkies... and twinkies to obesity. |
| 13:56.19 | thul | and obesity, is not good for your sexlife |
| 13:56.19 | thul | and sex is important |
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| 14:03.47 | chexsum | wish i was obese so i had a real symptom for my non esistane sexlife |
| 14:04.09 | chexsum | i am lazy though! |
| 14:06.26 | chexsum | and im a rirl geek |
| 14:06.35 | thul | I do have a very nice sexlife tbh |
| 14:06.38 | thul | but I'm a grown up:p |
| 14:06.38 | chexsum | old-skool! |
| 14:06.48 | chexsum | im grown up too |
| 14:06.57 | cladhaire | indeed, regular sex is nice. |
| 14:07.40 | chexsum | im a failure :( |
| 14:07.43 | thul | yes, you are. |
| 14:07.54 | thul | now commit seppuku and begone. |
| 14:07.57 | thul | :-P |
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| 14:09.03 | Zariel | how would you block wispers? |
| 14:09.12 | chexsum | get drunk |
| 14:09.26 | chexsum | and abuse everyone |
| 14:09.33 | chexsum | noone will whisper you |
| 14:09.40 | thul | my cpu is 80 degrees celcius |
| 14:09.42 | thul | is that healthy? :-P |
| 14:10.05 | chexsum | i think 60C is healthy |
| 14:10.16 | chexsum | 80 is almost melting man |
| 14:10.25 | chexsum | you need to fix that |
| 14:10.25 | thul | I guess I'll logoff and let it cool down a bit :-P |
| 14:10.49 | thul | do some dishes etc |
| 14:10.59 | chexsum | im in australia and mines running at 40C unclocked |
| 14:11.59 | chexsum | buy a bar fridge for it imho |
| 14:12.06 | thul | hehe |
| 14:12.17 | Xinhuan | buu, _routes updated |
| 14:13.14 | chexsum | is there anyone in aus here that has a tv tuner working on their computer ? |
| 14:13.30 | chexsum | ive never gottten one to work |
| 14:13.31 | thul | haha, cpu down to 60 degres 10 seconds after quitting wow :-P |
| 14:13.36 | thul | i guess wow + mac doesen't = good |
| 14:14.08 | chexsum | macs might handle higher heat since theyre simpler cpus ? |
| 14:14.40 | chexsum | or is it an intel ? |
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| 14:18.28 | thul | intel |
| 14:18.36 | thul | stabilized at 50 celcius no |
| 14:18.37 | thul | w |
| 14:18.51 | chexsum | dont put faith in them handling harsh conditions |
| 14:19.01 | chexsum | itll fizzle |
| 14:19.33 | thul | hehe |
| 14:19.42 | thul | i live in norway, I'll get a new one if it "fizzles" :-P |
| 14:19.50 | chexsum | mines 45C running 3dmark |
| 14:20.17 | chexsum | i should overclock it but im clueless |
| 14:20.35 | chexsum | 60C seems ok |
| 14:27.54 | Wobin_ | chexsum: I had a tv tuner ages ago |
| 14:27.59 | Wobin_ | ages and ages ago |
| 14:28.12 | Wobin_ | once plugged into an antennae, it got FTA channels at leats |
| 14:28.14 | Wobin_ | least |
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| 14:48.27 | Zariel | why doesnt this block incoming whispers? http://www.wowace.pastey.net/79006 |
| 14:49.10 | Zariel | self.db.profile.blocks["whisper"] = true |
| 14:49.20 | Pkekyo| | ~ping thul |
| 14:49.21 | purl | pong thul |
| 14:49.35 | thul | hmm? :-P |
| 14:49.38 | thul | w00t? |
| 14:49.44 | Pkekyo| | you're a photographer, no? |
| 14:50.06 | nevcairiel | Zariel: you dont actually hook |
| 14:50.22 | Zariel | oh |
| 14:50.26 | nevcairiel | you defined your function as a member function of your object |
| 14:50.31 | nevcairiel | and not hooking the global func |
| 14:50.44 | Pkekyo| | thul: ever done HDR shots? |
| 14:52.32 | thul | yeh |
| 14:52.34 | thul | a few:) |
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| 14:52.57 | Pkekyo| | how do you do it? |
| 14:55.53 | thul | hmm |
| 14:56.00 | thul | well, I use a piece of software called photomatix |
| 14:56.10 | thul | first and foremost, I bracket my shots |
| 14:56.14 | Pkekyo| | automated process? |
| 14:56.17 | Pkekyo| | bracket? |
| 14:56.19 | thul | using the built-in bracket function in my camera. |
| 14:56.27 | thul | well, I put my camera on a tripod, and to three exposures |
| 14:56.40 | thul | one underexposed, one normally exposed and one overexposed |
| 14:56.54 | thul | then i feed these into photomatix, which merges them, and then you can tweak it with sliders and stuff |
| 14:57.22 | Pkekyo| | so you only use three exposures? |
| 14:57.49 | thul | well, you can use 20 if you want |
| 14:58.32 | Pkekyo| | does it give alot better results? or does it just make a mess of things? :p |
| 14:59.20 | thul | well, it depends on the motive |
| 14:59.25 | thul | most pictures are best with one single exposure |
| 14:59.33 | thul | but if you have a still motive that have a very large dynamic range |
| 14:59.35 | thul | it can be usefull |
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| 15:00.01 | Pkekyo| | well, I just wanna test HDR tbh |
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| 15:01.39 | thul | http://cainadamsson.deviantart.com/art/Morning-at-the-Shoreline-II-65541873 <- hdr |
| 15:01.47 | thul | http://cainadamsson.deviantart.com/art/Morning-at-the-Shoreline-65538745 |
| 15:01.48 | thul | hdr |
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| 15:02.36 | Pkekyo| | really like the 2nd one |
| 15:02.50 | Pkekyo| | long exposure, or was the water frozen? |
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| 15:04.23 | thul | long exposure |
| 15:05.05 | Pkekyo| | you a photographer by profession? |
| 15:05.30 | Fisker- | i'm a photographer by your mother |
| 15:05.33 | Fisker- | whatever that means |
| 15:05.37 | nevcairiel | the second picture looks so artificial |
| 15:05.40 | Pkekyo| | rofl Fisker- |
| 15:06.36 | thul | Pkekyo|: hehe, I'm a student by profession:P i just love taking pictures |
| 15:06.40 | thul | nevcairiel: want to know why? :-D |
| 15:07.17 | Pkekyo| | thul: recommended CWB setting? (screwing up my camera :)) |
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| 15:08.49 | thul | custom white balance? :-P well, that really depends |
| 15:08.51 | evl\Blend | thul: what kind of camera is that taken with?` |
| 15:09.15 | nevcairiel | probably something expensive |
| 15:09.23 | Pkekyo| | thul: I've got no idea...camera manual's too thick to read :p |
| 15:09.50 | Pkekyo| | 7k CWB sounds like a strong number |
| 15:10.10 | thul | evl\Blend: canon 30d |
| 15:10.19 | thul | nevcairiel: you don't want to know why? :-( |
| 15:10.32 | thul | Pkekyo|: well, the white balance really depends on the kind of lighting you are going to take pictures in |
| 15:10.34 | Polarina | rofl at http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1957986405&sid=1 |
| 15:10.44 | thul | if you shoot in raw, you can change the white balance afterwards, in post processing |
| 15:10.52 | Pkekyo| | thul: anywhere, anytime... |
| 15:11.03 | Pkekyo| | well, I want to shoot in raw, but can't find the bloody settings :p |
| 15:11.12 | nevcairiel | thul: sure, how ? :D |
| 15:11.17 | simlan | Is SVN live tracking down? |
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| 15:11.41 | Pkekyo| | only thing I've found mentioning either RAW or JPEG is "RAW+JPEG ERASE" <--- and that sounds kinda dangerous, so I don't dare touching it :p |
| 15:12.13 | thul | Pkekyo|: hmm, what kind of camera? |
| 15:12.37 | Pkekyo| | Olympus E-500 |
| 15:12.43 | thul | nevcairiel: the thing is, most cameras have a dynamic range of light that goes about 5 "stops". the term "stops" isn't very important, the important part is that 5-6 stops is what we are "used" to seeing in images |
| 15:12.54 | thul | when you merge several exposures, you get a dynamic range of 12-15 |
| 15:13.02 | thul | which is "artificial" to us when we see it in pictures |
| 15:13.06 | Zhinjio | those are great shots, thul. |
| 15:13.11 | thul | (but far close to what our eyes are used to see) |
| 15:13.11 | Pkekyo| | but closer to what we see irl, no? |
| 15:13.13 | thul | thanks Zhinjio :-) |
| 15:13.15 | simlan | you mean 5 orders of magnitude? |
| 15:13.19 | thul | yes Pkekyo| :-) |
| 15:13.29 | thul | hmm, how can i explain it:/ |
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| 15:13.53 | thul | well, the range from absolute black to absolute white is about 5 "stops" or 6 "stops" in a modern camera |
| 15:14.15 | thul | so if we take a picture of very bright lit object, the "black" in that picture is something that our eyes percieve as quite light too |
| 15:14.22 | thul | but the camera just can't |
| 15:14.24 | thul | I'm really not good at explaining this :-P |
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| 15:15.39 | simlan | I'd explain like this: The range of light intensities in RL has a range of about 5 or 6 orders of magnitude, like from 10 to 10*10^5, where you can only display two orders of magnitude in an image |
| 15:15.52 | Pkekyo| | you're doing a better job at it than anyone else here, thul :p |
| 15:15.53 | thul | http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/dynamic-range.htm |
| 15:16.34 | thul | hehe, thanks.. :-) |
| 15:16.37 | thul | mhm simlan! |
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| 15:18.00 | simlan | A camera must compress the hight dynamic range of RL intensities to about 256 discrete intensity values in images, typically done with a gamma curve-like function |
| 15:18.33 | Pkekyo| | I love IR shots tbh |
| 15:19.35 | thul | the part that is important about the linearity of that compression (right term?) is that you have most bits in the light areas of a picture |
| 15:19.42 | thul | and increasingly less bits in the darker parts |
| 15:21.45 | thul | that is why one should expose to the "right" on the histogram |
| 15:23.28 | Pkekyo| | http://gilad.deviantart.com/art/The-Ocean-Diamond-29601967 wicked shot |
| 15:23.32 | simlan | In a few years our cameras will take tonemapped HDR shots, so you can expose whereever you want :) |
| 15:23.56 | Pkekyo| | simlan: elaborate please? :> |
| 15:24.24 | dylanm | Field day for pervs. |
| 15:24.35 | thul | gilad is nice :-) |
| 15:24.57 | Pkekyo| | he's really good at IR shots |
| 15:26.15 | simlan | since one cannot compress the HDR into 256 intensity values satisfactory, tone mapping tries to fix this limitation |
| 15:26.23 | simlan | google for tone mapped images |
| 15:27.11 | simlan | http://www.imageant.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/blocuri_hdr.jpg |
| 15:27.55 | Pkekyo| | http://www.johnmilesphotography.com/jmgallery/HDR/ melikes those tbh |
| 15:30.18 | simlan | There is a good free tool for creating tone mapped images for linux and windows, called QTPFSGUI |
| 15:30.46 | simlan | Just take a few shots in different exposures, feed in and your done, it's really eays |
| 15:31.11 | Pkekyo| | hmm, I'll look into it...thanks :) |
| 15:32.13 | Pkekyo| | will have to wait until it starts getting brighter before I try it though :< |
| 15:32.38 | Pkekyo| | I'd imagine HDR shots of pitch black darkness wouldn't exactly be full of win and awesome |
| 15:33.20 | simlan | If you have a tripot, you can take images at any light conditions |
| 15:33.31 | simlan | tone mapping algorithms are typically intensity-invariant |
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| 15:34.04 | Pkekyo| | yeah, I know...but I'd rather do it when the sun's up :p |
| 15:35.15 | Xinhuan | [12/14 23:32:26] * Quits: CIA-13 (n=CIA@208.69.182.149) |
| 15:35.16 | Xinhuan | wooo |
| 15:35.21 | Xinhuan | no more bot |
| 15:36.48 | Polarina | When I log in to World of Warcraft, it says: "Submitting non-personal system specifications." |
| 15:37.36 | nevcairiel | its always done that from time to time |
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| 15:37.52 | Pkekyo| | tells blizz about your CPU, amount of RAM etc |
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| 15:39.00 | Pkekyo| | done that for ages |
| 15:39.35 | Pkekyo| | guess they're checking out how heavy graphics etc they can allow themselevs to 'safely' implement in WotLK |
| 15:43.19 | thul | hehe |
| 15:43.22 | thul | whos going to make a death knight? :-P |
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| 16:04.05 | RaydenUni | http://www.elitefishvendor.com/ |
| 16:04.07 | RaydenUni | thoughts? |
| 16:04.39 | Kalroth | wowinsider already covered it |
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| 16:05.30 | RaydenUni | yeah |
| 16:05.35 | RaydenUni | where i saw it |
| 16:05.38 | RaydenUni | i want your thoughts |
| 16:06.55 | RaydenUni | mulitple realms really limits it |
| 16:07.25 | RaydenUni | i wonder if he would be interested if someone else from a different server wanted to join him |
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| 16:28.18 | [AR]Camci | can someone link me a good lvl 29 twink warrior spec? |
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| 16:45.12 | cc-work | anyone know if theres a mod on wowace that shows rogue's combopts & energy ticks in one? |
| 16:45.59 | [dRaCo] | kEnergy did that |
| 16:46.06 | [dRaCo] | dunno if it's on the svn |
| 16:46.41 | cc-work | thx |
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| 17:09.32 | Funkeh` | yo |
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| 17:13.34 | Xinhuan | hi |
| 17:16.27 | Chompers | cc-work: Pitbull |
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| 17:22.29 | Xyphor3 | Anyone what addon shows the big |
| 17:22.40 | Xyphor3 | "Soul Shard" in the middle of my screen? |
| 17:22.57 | nevcairiel | my guess is, a warlock addon |
| 17:23.17 | Xyphor3 | Otehr guess: I have too many to know which one it is :p |
| 17:23.41 | Ellipsis` | Xyphor3: sct/parrot/etc. usually do notifications like that |
| 17:24.02 | Xyphor3 | sct I think then... |
| 17:24.23 | Xyphor3 | The note is also triggered when I pick up [Corrupted Soul Shard] |
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| 17:27.40 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 17:27.48 | Xinhuan | whats a [Corrupted Soul Shard] from |
| 17:27.54 | kebinusan | felwood |
| 17:28.00 | kebinusan | silly herb cleansing quest |
| 17:28.06 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 17:28.25 | Keias | All the gathering professions can do it in Felwood |
| 17:28.36 | Xyphor3 | part of a quest for head/leg enchant |
| 17:28.49 | Keias | Also had to do it to get Tubers back in the day |
| 17:29.01 | Keias | and Nightdragon's breath |
| 17:29.03 | kebinusan | and the songflower buff was hot for loatheb :-) |
| 17:29.09 | Keias | Back when they didn't share a cooldown with anything :D |
| 17:29.30 | Xyphor | I'm just trying to put +8 stam on Lucky Fishing Hat ^^ |
| 17:29.36 | kebinusan | TWINK |
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| 17:30.21 | Xyphor | Twink would be Hoodoo Hex on it! |
| 17:30.56 | Xyphor | Permanently adds 10 Stamina and increases spell damage and healing by up to 18 to a leg or head slot item. |
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| 17:34.32 | kebinusan | sounds like a plan |
| 17:34.50 | kebinusan | twink would be a rogue tho |
| 17:34.52 | kebinusan | heh |
| 17:34.55 | kebinusan | melee is op |
| 17:36.49 | Keias | Not anymore |
| 17:36.52 | Keias | It's all about hunters now |
| 17:40.18 | Polarina | I found out how to do cross-faction communication! |
| 17:40.41 | nevcairiel | then you better never speak of it again since its illegal |
| 17:40.46 | Codayus | Meh. Cross-faction communication is easy. |
| 17:40.54 | Polarina | Without the help of a addon. |
| 17:40.56 | Codayus | Doing it without getting banned is hard. |
| 17:41.10 | nevcairiel | i can write ai am d c p too |
| 17:41.10 | Codayus | Doing it without violating the spirit of the rules is impossible. :-) |
| 17:41.11 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 17:41.40 | Polarina | But I can do it without any addons, and without getting a single character mangled. |
| 17:41.49 | Codayus | Real haxors use morse code. |
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| 17:42.09 | Polarina | No morse code.. |
| 17:42.26 | Ozguli- | builtin emotes! |
| 17:42.31 | Polarina | No emotes. |
| 17:42.56 | Ozguli- | /wait /cast mind control /cast power word: fortitude |
| 17:43.18 | ag` | then spill the beans already |
| 17:43.23 | ag` | or ban |
| 17:45.23 | Codayus | I am curious to know the method...or joke, if you wearn't being serious. :-) |
| 17:46.48 | Xinhuan | [12/15 01:45:10] <Polarina> So you are telling me that putting up a [Plain Letter] on the neutral Auction House is a bannable offense?!? NONSENSE! |
| 17:46.52 | Xinhuan | is the method. |
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| 17:47.52 | Codayus | Meh |
| 17:47.54 | Codayus | Zzzzz |
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| 18:06.02 | Fisker- | well Polarina didn't they make plain letters bop now? |
| 18:06.14 | Polarina | Fisker-: Apperantly not. |
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| 18:13.35 | buu | Xinhuan: Treasure boxes are hard to see =[ |
| 18:14.01 | Xinhuan | be a warf then |
| 18:14.03 | Xinhuan | dwarf |
| 18:14.06 | Xinhuan | go reroll |
| 18:14.24 | Xinhuan | i mainly tested this on blood of heroes |
| 18:14.25 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 18:14.54 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:15.26 | kergoth | i still remember the first time i ran across a blood of heroes on my first char |
| 18:15.29 | kergoth | getting slaughtered |
| 18:15.32 | Pkekyo| | g'mornin all |
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| 18:28.17 | Industrial | ~seen vhaarr |
| 18:28.20 | purl | vhaarr <n=folk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Rabbit/vhaarr> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 21h 10m 26s ago, saying: 'the word "filtercheck" doesn't occur in what you linked'. |
| 18:28.24 | Industrial | mm |
| 18:28.28 | Industrial | got a problem with ClosetGnome |
| 18:29.06 | Industrial | I made a set "combat" fith my normal set, "naked" with nothing on and "mount" with only trinkets swapped (rest red) |
| 18:29.19 | Industrial | now it only lists naked as available |
| 18:29.24 | Industrial | to switch to |
| 18:29.34 | Xion` | the gnome want's to sex0r you |
| 18:30.01 | NeoTron | kergoth: using the prospecting addon now. works nicely |
| 18:30.02 | Industrial | I was waiting for a reply like that |
| 18:30.08 | NeoTron | handy when you prospect 500 ore |
| 18:30.14 | kergoth | glad to hear it |
| 18:32.14 | Gnarfoz | can someone show me a mutilate spec? |
| 18:32.27 | Gnarfoz | I know shit about how those are built up |
| 18:32.35 | Gnarfoz | don't know, even |
| 18:33.13 | kergoth | i use http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Suramar&n=Zebrin , myself. but there are a number of variants. endurance vs imp sprint, fleet footed vs quick recovery... do you take imp ks or not.. |
| 18:33.21 | Xion` | glad I could help Industrial |
| 18:33.24 | kergoth | depends on whether you're pvp or pve, too |
| 18:34.21 | NeoTron | Illidan phase 2 - elemental distance with charge seems to be related to distance from the blades, not distance from the actual elemental. |
| 18:34.25 | NeoTron | is that correct? |
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| 18:34.50 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: thats right |
| 18:35.19 | NeoTron | ok |
| 18:35.26 | nevcairiel | keep everyone in the middle circle, and the tanks kite on the border of it up and down, there is a good instruction vid around somewhere |
| 18:35.30 | NeoTron | It's funny how much misinformation there is |
| 18:35.49 | NeoTron | we found some good videos, unfortunaly not until we tried to do it with incorrect details |
| 18:35.58 | NeoTron | have a full 4 hrs on Sunday |
| 18:36.07 | NeoTron | I hope we'll get him down. Doesn't look terribly hard to do |
| 18:36.15 | nevcairiel | once you get p2 done, its pretty much all the fight |
| 18:36.23 | NeoTron | having the 3 mages respec frost too |
| 18:36.58 | nevcairiel | p3-p5 arent that hard, some getting used to and all, but learning p2 takes the longest time |
| 18:37.03 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 18:37.11 | NeoTron | we managed to get one elemental down pretty much |
| 18:37.25 | NeoTron | our main problem wS the tanks not using space effectiverly and dying |
| 18:37.39 | NeoTron | also having them increase the zoom out distance so they can gett a better view |
| 18:37.47 | nevcairiel | that helps alot |
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| 18:39.18 | NeoTron | it's funny how all "guides" tell you the tanks has to be within a certain distance of eachother when in fact that doesn't seem to be true |
| 18:39.46 | nevcairiel | nah, the tanks just have to stay close to the blades, and not to close to the second |
| 18:41.02 | NeoTron | do they still charge totems or is that fixed? |
| 18:41.19 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 18:41.20 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 18:41.22 | nevcairiel | dont think so |
| 18:41.28 | nevcairiel | we use totems, pretty sure |
| 18:42.33 | NeoTron | hmm does tank 1 have to worry about distance from tank 2's blade at all? |
| 18:42.58 | nevcairiel | i think he may not get too close, but if he does, he would get too far away from his blade anyway |
| 18:43.00 | Tornhoof | do not charge totems |
| 18:43.22 | Tornhoof | afaik the tanks still have to be fairly close |
| 18:43.29 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 18:43.52 | Tornhoof | they constantly died here when they didn't move synced |
| 18:44.11 | nevcairiel | ours move like the space permits, not synced or anything |
| 18:44.13 | nevcairiel | works fine |
| 18:44.27 | nevcairiel | even if one is in the upper corner, and one in the lower |
| 18:44.32 | nevcairiel | (max distance) |
| 18:45.11 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 18:45.47 | Tornhoof | i'm sure ours got charged just fine when they were too far apart |
| 18:46.18 | nevcairiel | we didnt have a charge in the last 5 weeks or so, and they never run synced |
| 18:46.24 | Tornhoof | but maybe they were too far apart from the blades |
| 18:46.25 | Tornhoof | i dunno |
| 18:46.29 | Tornhoof | i just chainheal |
| 18:46.44 | nevcairiel | i just spam my healing macro to keep my two hots on both tanks |
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| 18:49.51 | NeoTron | I am the warlock tank |
| 18:50.03 | NeoTron | so I just stand there looking pretty hoping we'll get to phase 4 |
| 18:50.03 | Esine | Hi. Just getting started with WoW addon stuff. Is there a recommended way of making a user interface like windows, buttons, scroll bars and what not in Ace2? Just the normal way or does Ace have a cool library to make it easier? |
| 18:50.11 | NeoTron | good news is I don't need salvaction while I dps :P |
| 18:50.28 | NeoTron | I do assume having a nice chunk of health is good while tanking him |
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| 18:50.48 | Fisker- | tank who? |
| 18:50.54 | NeoTron | incidently I do use two epic fire resist pieces in my SR tank gear to buff up the stamina. useful for the aoe fire dmg I suppose |
| 18:50.58 | NeoTron | Illidan demon form |
| 18:51.01 | nevcairiel | you resist really alot of his damage |
| 18:51.12 | NeoTron | 312 SR or so |
| 18:51.17 | nevcairiel | get more |
| 18:51.18 | nevcairiel | full epic set |
| 18:51.20 | nevcairiel | SR cap |
| 18:51.22 | nevcairiel | all you need |
| 18:51.24 | NeoTron | once we get more HoD's |
| 18:51.26 | NeoTron | we're short 2 |
| 18:51.35 | nevcairiel | all other items DPS |
| 18:51.49 | NeoTron | I have FR legs/chest atm for the stamina |
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| 18:52.18 | NeoTron | I have, buffed with imp/food but not elixirs/commanding shout, around 16.5k health |
| 18:52.27 | nevcairiel | way too much |
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| 18:53.06 | NeoTron | even with less SR? I can get another 20 SR from my helmet sacrificing some stamina |
| 18:53.23 | nevcairiel | once you get SR cap anyway, you'll resist so much of the damage |
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| 18:53.47 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 18:53.51 | NivFreak | 75% |
| 18:54.37 | NeoTron | see if we can buy a couple of HoD's before thenext raid |
| 18:55.12 | NeoTron | I'm always the tank. I had 520ish AR for pre-patch solarian, full FR, full SR soon enough :) |
| 18:55.15 | NeoTron | I feel like a tank |
| 18:56.14 | nevcairiel | you had a lock for prepatch solarian? we used classes that dont dps anyway, a feral and a warr :P |
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| 18:58.05 | NeoTron | I had gear already |
| 18:58.20 | NeoTron | it was a shorter path to get it doen in 1 day when we finally had killed vashj |
| 18:58.40 | NeoTron | i.e not because it was the best thing to do, just because it was the quickest |
| 18:58.48 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 19:00.38 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.55 | NeoTron | it turns out that I can be almost at AR-max at level 80 with blue/epic AR gear :P |
| 19:01.05 | NeoTron | think I had 405 AR or something |
| 19:04.32 | Esine | it seems no one answered my question but is it okay to use AceGUI2? |
| 19:04.48 | nevcairiel | AceGUI2 was never finished and shouldnt be used |
| 19:05.00 | Esine | then should I use any gui library? |
| 19:05.01 | NeoTron | hmm |
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| 19:10.06 | Esine | I guess not then. |
| 19:13.38 | Esine | I'm betting even nevcairiel doesn't know! |
| 19:13.51 | Xion` | depends on what you're trying to create I guess |
| 19:14.41 | Esine | well, make a dialog about the size and look of the built-in character panel dialog. |
| 19:15.02 | nevcairiel | create it using the blizzard templates then, i wouldnt use a library for that |
| 19:15.08 | Esine | oh |
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| 19:17.11 | Ozguli- | talented is cool, hm? |
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| 19:24.24 | NeoTron | ah best explanation of phase 2 illidan so far |
| 19:24.52 | NeoTron | the blades have a pulsing aura (much like a windfury totem) that puts an invisible buff on you, when you're outside of buff range you may get charged |
| 19:25.12 | NeoTron | if the tether breaks, the tanks whose thether broke is applicable for a charge from the other tanks elemental |
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| 19:25.22 | NeoTron | because he stepped out of the buff range |
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| 19:31.35 | NeoTron | best command for phase2 tanks: /console CameraDistanceMaxFactor 4 |
| 19:32.22 | Killmore | so true |
| 19:33.17 | Killmore | http://www.vimeo.com/388477 <--- azzinoth tank pov |
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| 19:34.06 | Killmore | its our first kill :D |
| 19:39.27 | Industrial | ag`: ping |
| 19:39.37 | ag` | hi Industrial |
| 19:39.40 | Industrial | hai |
| 19:40.14 | Industrial | ag`: in the aUF Ace3 branchl I don't really understand the bar heights |
| 19:40.25 | Industrial | loading up wow.. |
| 19:41.39 | ag` | Industrial, increasing the height of one bar MUST reduce the height of the others |
| 19:41.48 | ag` | that's why it works that way |
| 19:42.14 | rubik | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.17 | Industrial | ag`: if I have a target bar with a healthbar and a powerbar but no castingbar, and a targettarget bar with only health - I can't set the targettarget bar to half the size of the target bar - it will be smaller. |
| 19:42.51 | Industrial | eg the healthbar is always bigger even if they are both the same size |
| 19:43.08 | Industrial | also cant I just set the hp bar to 20px/units and the castingbar to 10 :P? |
| 19:43.16 | Industrial | much clearer imo |
| 19:44.11 | ag` | I don't think I can make it different from what it is now, but that shouldn't be a problem |
| 19:44.14 | kadrahil | btw |
| 19:44.28 | kadrahil | trial accounts got nerfed so they can't send party invites,finally |
| 19:44.33 | Industrial | nice |
| 19:44.41 | rubik | really? |
| 19:44.48 | kadrahil | yeah just a sec |
| 19:44.51 | rubik | when? i get those invites this morning |
| 19:44.53 | rubik | got* |
| 19:44.54 | kadrahil | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.01 | ag` | Industrial, remember there's like 10px border |
| 19:45.07 | Industrial | ag`: making a shot |
| 19:46.08 | kadrahil | rubik: posted about an hour ago |
| 19:46.30 | Industrial | http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8266/wowscrnshot121407204440uk5.jpg |
| 19:46.40 | Industrial | ag`: the target height is 50, targettarget 25 |
| 19:46.42 | rubik | yup, just saw.. thanks.. i'll keep an eye on it.. it was about 3-4 hrs ago that i was last on and got the party invites |
| 19:46.57 | Industrial | ag`: also the target healthbar and manabar are both "1" in size, still the healthbar is bigger |
| 19:47.12 | ag` | yes |
| 19:47.17 | Industrial | y :< |
| 19:47.18 | ag` | that's because the layout is that way |
| 19:47.26 | ag` | it's a factor, not an absolute |
| 19:47.45 | ag` | the health bar is by default larger |
| 19:48.16 | Industrial | <3 absolutes :X could have made the target hp/mana bar both 25px and the targettarget hpbar 25px and done >_> |
| 19:48.33 | ag` | no, because the height slider is seperate |
| 19:48.38 | NeoTron | rubik: void reaver and solarian are easy. lurker is easy |
| 19:48.42 | ag` | they need to be something relative to the frame height |
| 19:48.46 | NeoTron | al'ar really isn't very hard either |
| 19:49.17 | Industrial | yeah, but can't you set the frameheight to whatever the hp+power+xp+castingbar is? |
| 19:49.34 | Industrial | I just.. dont understand why such a complicated system >_O |
| 19:50.56 | ag` | I like having a slider so you can set the frame height, instead of having to add the height of all the bars together if you want a specific frame height |
| 19:51.31 | Industrial | but now I dont have the same barheight :D |
| 19:51.41 | Industrial | </nag> |
| 19:52.18 | ag` | just put them next to each other and measure :P |
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| 19:55.03 | Esine | man, there definitely should be GTK+ for WoW. |
| 19:56.11 | ag` | what do you need to do? |
| 19:56.17 | ag` | a config window? |
| 19:56.28 | Industrial | man, that would definately be slow as hell |
| 19:56.29 | Polarina | Esine: lol |
| 19:56.40 | Esine | heh nevermind. |
| 19:56.54 | Esine | I'll do this the traditional way. I don't see any point in Ace2 (at least for my app) |
| 19:57.02 | ag` | what do you need to do? |
| 19:57.04 | Esine | no useful functions or libraries that I've found |
| 19:57.04 | ag` | I asked :P |
| 19:57.31 | Esine | doesn't matter. |
| 19:57.49 | ag` | Then don't ask, because I could probably give an answer that would help you |
| 19:58.14 | Esine | I didn't ask. :-) |
| 19:58.23 | Aeyan | That's true |
| 19:58.31 | Esine | ok well here's a question: What use is ACE2? |
| 19:58.42 | Esine | (not meant as a troll or flame, I just honestly don't know.) |
| 19:59.01 | ag` | handles dbs, profiles, events, hooking, comm etc |
| 19:59.07 | [dRaCo] | it's a framework that provides often used functions to addons |
| 19:59.27 | Esine | well yeah the db functionality is one that I understand |
| 19:59.37 | kergoth | like most wow frameworks, it just tries to take care of the stuff you end up doing in a lot of your addons, to save time in development |
| 20:00.32 | Pkekyo| | anyone fancy helping me find out what wether ASUS VW222 is DVI-D or DVI-A? |
| 20:01.05 | ag` | What is it that you want from a lib, which you can't find? |
| 20:01.31 | Esine | nothing I guess, hence my question |
| 20:01.53 | Arrowmaster | Pkekyo|: DVI-D or DVI-I i bet, i dont think any cards are DVI-A only |
| 20:01.55 | aeon|Capullo | hiho |
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| 20:02.06 | Esine | then again I'm not an experinced wow add on developer so |
| 20:02.06 | Esine | experienced* |
| 20:02.19 | ag` | you asked about GTK+? |
| 20:02.34 | Pkekyo| | Arrowmaster: DVI-I is a combination of them? |
| 20:02.45 | Arrowmaster | Pkekyo|: yes |
| 20:03.08 | Pkekyo| | I don't quite trust my father to make wise choises when it comes to buying hardware :p |
| 20:03.47 | aeon|Capullo | is there a developer who can add missing requirements to some addons? |
| 20:06.43 | Xinhuan | huh |
| 20:06.54 | Xinhuan | missing requirements? |
| 20:06.57 | Pkekyo| | aeon|Capullo: I'd guess the addon author? |
| 20:07.04 | aeon|Capullo | GarbageFu and Cartographer_Instanceloot has missing dependencies |
| 20:07.25 | aeon|Capullo | to LibPeriodicTable 3.1 |
| 20:07.50 | Xinhuan | isn't garbagefu to my knowledge, no longer being maintained, has no author? |
| 20:07.54 | Xinhuan | author quit or something |
| 20:08.01 | Xinhuan | and parts of it isn't working |
| 20:08.02 | aeon|Capullo | dont know |
| 20:08.07 | aeon|Capullo | its still working |
| 20:08.14 | aeon|Capullo | and a active addon |
| 20:08.19 | Pkekyo| | still working =/= still maintained |
| 20:08.36 | aeon|Capullo | you cant see this in wau :P |
| 20:09.01 | Xinhuan | hmm fairlysure there are forum posts complainling about broken stuff in garbagefu for months |
| 20:09.16 | Arrowmaster | Cartographer_InstanceLoot is fine |
| 20:09.34 | Xinhuan | what is instanceloot mising according to you? |
| 20:09.35 | kergoth`food | garbagefu still works fine for me, use it all the time |
| 20:09.50 | aeon|Capullo | i use wau without externals |
| 20:10.05 | aeon|Capullo | and it dont install PeriodicTable 3.1 |
| 20:10.27 | Arrowmaster | LibPeriodicTable-3.1 is in Cartographers X-Embeds |
| 20:10.31 | Arrowmaster | it should |
| 20:10.39 | aeon|Capullo | i got an error |
| 20:10.45 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=4765.80 - one quick search reveals many issues with garbagefu |
| 20:10.47 | Arrowmaster | what error? |
| 20:11.38 | aeon|Capullo | 007/12/14 21:00:37-14-x1]: Cartographer_InstanceLoot\InstanceLoot.lua:4: Library "LibPeriodicTable-3.1" not found. |
| 20:11.59 | Arrowmaster | what version of WAU? |
| 20:12.19 | aeon|Capullo | i think the newest |
| 20:12.38 | aeon|Capullo | 1.9.45.718 |
| 20:14.28 | Xinhuan | Cartographer_InstanceLoot.toc doesn't actually list any X-embeds actually |
| 20:14.37 | Arrowmaster | because its not suppost to |
| 20:14.39 | aeon|Capullo | and GarbageFu has been updated 2 days ago |
| 20:14.44 | aeon|Capullo | ninjacommit :P |
| 20:14.57 | Xinhuan | "updated 2 days ago" could just be a library update |
| 20:14.59 | nevcairiel | InstanceLoot is a packaged sub-lib, it shouldnt need any WAU specific fields |
| 20:15.16 | nevcairiel | *sub-addon |
| 20:15.22 | aeon|Capullo | no, a mikk changed a frame |
| 20:15.43 | aeon|Capullo | so its a bug in wau? |
| 20:15.53 | Xinhuan | if so, then the main cartographer.toc should list it, hmm in fact it does |
| 20:16.02 | Lukian | nevcairiel, another bartender user today was asking if it was possible to limit the bars shown while scrolling |
| 20:16.10 | nevcairiel | its not |
| 20:16.26 | Xinhuan | can you reinstall cartographer aeon|Capullo in wau? |
| 20:16.31 | Lukian | guess it's just a feature in the standard ui then? |
| 20:16.42 | Lukian | (If you enable all action bars, it only scrolls through 2) |
| 20:16.45 | Xinhuan | check that automatic dependancy download is on in the options |
| 20:16.46 | aeon|Capullo | yes, just a moment |
| 20:16.58 | aeon|Capullo | complete? |
| 20:17.20 | Xinhuan | there is an option that reads something like "automatic dependancy download" |
| 20:17.26 | Xinhuan | make sure that's on |
| 20:17.53 | aeon|Capullo | hehe, without that, i think i had more missing libs :P |
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| 20:18.28 | Arrowmaster | bah wtf is the xml file with all addons listed not just recently updated ones |
| 20:18.50 | Xinhuan | broken rss feed? |
| 20:19.10 | aeon|Capullo | hmm, now its working |
| 20:19.14 | Arrowmaster | heh thats funny http://files.wowace.com/ERRORS.txt |
| 20:19.29 | aeon|Capullo | Adding Dependency Cartographer -> LibPeriodicTable-3.1 |
| 20:19.48 | Xinhuan | it was never broken, something on your comp broke ;p |
| 20:20.04 | aeon|Capullo | maybe iam only stupid and deleted the lib |
| 20:20.51 | Xinhuan | as for garbagefu, i recommend you post in the thread i linked earlier |
| 20:21.26 | aeon|Capullo | maybe also my fault |
| 20:22.05 | aeon|Capullo | do you already know about how to speed up loading wow? |
| 20:22.20 | aeon|Capullo | starting windows media player before starting wow :P |
| 20:22.28 | Xinhuan | yes: buy a faster computer ;p |
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| 20:23.13 | aeon|Capullo | i use now a small tool, doing the same |
| 20:23.23 | aeon|Capullo | 6 lines c-code |
| 20:23.52 | Xinhuan | i'm surprised running wmp works though, and wondered how "by chance" ppl discover it |
| 20:23.57 | aeon|Capullo | before i have to wait around 2 minutes in the loadingscreen |
| 20:24.11 | aeon|Capullo | now 20 seconds |
| 20:24.40 | Xinhuan | what's your cpu/ram? |
| 20:25.12 | aeon|Capullo | the magic function: timeBeginPeriod(1) |
| 20:25.14 | nevcairiel | blizzy should just implement that into wow itself too |
| 20:25.32 | aeon|Capullo | its in winmm.lib |
| 20:25.35 | nevcairiel | kick the high performance timers into multimedia mode and everything works faster |
| 20:25.36 | Arrowmaster | wtf? |
| 20:25.56 | kergoth`food | there's a little app like that that installs itself as a windows service, convenient |
| 20:26.05 | nevcairiel | link pls :P |
| 20:26.10 | Arrowmaster | yes get that put into 2.3.2 pls |
| 20:26.38 | aeon|Capullo | yes but this setting is global |
| 20:26.42 | Lukian | where does prat store chatlogs? |
| 20:26.55 | Arrowmaster | logs folder |
| 20:27.17 | Keias | It was crazy ass Russians that discovered the WMP trick |
| 20:27.26 | aeon|Capullo | no, its already old |
| 20:27.26 | Keias | I think they single-handedly hacked EVERYONE'S computer to do it |
| 20:27.28 | Keias | True story. |
| 20:27.45 | aeon|Capullo | they used it already for halflife2 server |
| 20:28.22 | aeon|Capullo | http://planethalflife.gamespy.com/View.php?view=HL2Guides.Detail&id=4&game=3#advanced |
| 20:29.01 | aeon|Capullo | search there for "FPSbooster or WMP:" |
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| 20:31.18 | nevcairiel | man this file is 20kb and i have to wait 20 minutes in the stupid fileplanet queue :P |
| 20:31.26 | kergoth`food | hehe |
| 20:31.31 | Fisker- | oooh ooh |
| 20:31.32 | Fisker- | DRAMA |
| 20:31.33 | Fisker- | MORE OF IT |
| 20:31.42 | aestil | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.47 | Fisker- | definitely |
| 20:31.55 | aeon|Capullo | i also lowered yesterday my ping from 200ms to 45ms only adding a DWORD TcpAckFrequency to the NIC in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters\Interfaces and set this to 1 |
| 20:32.21 | cncfanatics | windows fails |
| 20:32.26 | aeon|Capullo | sure :P |
| 20:32.46 | aestil | aeon|Capullo: you're just trying to break peoples shit, making them go change registry keys and then being broked! |
| 20:32.48 | Xinhuan | aeon, keep in mind that changing that registry setting makes all your global tcp connections respond faster, but at the cost of more bandwidth used |
| 20:33.00 | Xinhuan | for torrents, you can get lower download speeds from that setting |
| 20:33.17 | Polarina | aeon|Capullo: Wine? |
| 20:33.25 | aeon|Capullo | yes, i changed it today in my linux router |
| 20:33.29 | Fisker- | http://www.isotx.com/crosus/view/viewdetails.php?id=4841 |
| 20:33.33 | aeon|Capullo | using iptables |
| 20:33.34 | Polarina | aeon|Capullo: o.O |
| 20:33.35 | nevcairiel | they fixed the tcp nagle algorithm thing in 2.3.2 tho |
| 20:33.36 | Fisker- | and see what the "homepage" is |
| 20:33.37 | Xinhuan | also, you can delete that setting in 2.3.2 |
| 20:33.45 | Fisker- | website* |
| 20:33.48 | cncfanatics | wouldn't it speed it up anyway ? |
| 20:33.50 | aeon|Capullo | notcpdelay to the wow-ports |
| 20:34.07 | cncfanatics | hmmm, could you apply that setting to website surfing only ? |
| 20:34.13 | Xinhuan | no |
| 20:34.14 | cncfanatics | I don't mind bandwith usage |
| 20:34.22 | Xinhuan | its a global windows tcp setting |
| 20:34.29 | cncfanatics | i'm not in windows for a reason |
| 20:34.47 | Xinhuan | it won't help your surfing speed |
| 20:34.55 | Fisker- | http://www.isotx.com/crosus/modbrowser.php?lpsearch=wow |
| 20:34.56 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: probably got it from the stupid pack somebody keeps updating on wowui.incgamers |
| 20:35.08 | Xinhuan | nagle algorithm only adversely affects games that sends packets once in a while sparsely |
| 20:35.16 | Xinhuan | and wow is such a game |
| 20:35.19 | Fisker- | WE NEED MOAR DRAMA |
| 20:35.33 | *** join/#wowace sag_ich_nicht (i=bitch2k@85.127.109.133) |
| 20:35.42 | Polarina | aeon|Capullo: What did you set that DWORD to? |
| 20:35.43 | Fisker- | what does the TcpAckFrequency stuff do? |
| 20:35.48 | aeon|Capullo | to 1 |
| 20:35.50 | *** join/#wowace Nargiddley (n=narg@203-97-236-74.cable.telstraclear.net) |
| 20:35.50 | _neuron_ | Kemayo, you seen http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10179.0 ? (a bit down, performance problems with quixote, or so they think) |
| 20:35.55 | Fisker- | also what's up with that "tcp nagle algorithm" |
| 20:36.09 | Xinhuan | fisker, wikipedia it |
| 20:36.11 | aeon|Capullo | sending faster ack for a tcp-packet |
| 20:36.19 | *** join/#wowace Thorgard (n=grunt@c-98-200-178-99.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 20:36.21 | Xinhuan | ~wiki nagle's algorithm |
| 20:36.25 | Fisker- | your mother it |
| 20:36.33 | aeon|Capullo | good for very small packets like wow use it |
| 20:36.48 | Fisker- | so what? |
| 20:37.02 | Fisker- | It's trying to make a less secure packet á la udp? |
| 20:37.03 | Xinhuan | what it does is it delays sending multiple small packets and coalasces them into a larger single packet to send |
| 20:37.09 | Fisker- | oh |
| 20:37.19 | Xinhuan | this reduces the 40 bytes overhead per packet |
| 20:37.19 | Obelixprime | why should it be disabled? |
| 20:37.34 | Xinhuan | it should be disabled for wow because it causes packets to get delayed |
| 20:37.45 | Xinhuan | to "coalasce" into larger ones |
| 20:37.59 | Xinhuan | thus adding latency |
| 20:38.02 | aeon|Capullo | i still have the same bandwidth |
| 20:38.12 | Arrowmaster | disabling it will reduce lag for people like aussies playing on the US/aussie realms since all those servers are located in the US |
| 20:38.13 | Fisker- | so we have bigger latency in WoW because of this? |
| 20:38.17 | Fisker- | Or was it always like that |
| 20:38.21 | Xinhuan | yes fisker |
| 20:38.23 | Ellipsis` | this will reduce latency |
| 20:38.29 | Xinhuan | and its very noticable for aussies |
| 20:38.34 | Fisker- | awesome |
| 20:38.35 | aeon|Capullo | iam from germany and i had 250ms pings before |
| 20:38.40 | Fisker- | aeon|Capullo does it require a reboot btw? |
| 20:38.43 | aeon|Capullo | now 40-50ms |
| 20:38.44 | Xinhuan | 500 ms ingame latency yet pings/tracerts only show 250ms |
| 20:38.45 | Arrowmaster | it will reduce latency for everybody but it will be a lot more noticeable for those with higher latencies |
| 20:38.45 | aeon|Capullo | yes |
| 20:38.51 | Polarina | I wonder if it will reduce my 85 ms latency. |
| 20:38.54 | nevcairiel | if you live in EU and play on EU servers, or US and play on US, you wont notice much difference |
| 20:38.57 | aeon|Capullo | you can also handle it via a linux router |
| 20:39.00 | nevcairiel | i went from 100 to 90 ms or so :P |
| 20:39.02 | Xinhuan | it may improve yours by 5ms lol |
| 20:39.10 | Thorgard | Arrr.. where/how do you disable it? |
| 20:39.13 | Polarina | Xinhuan: o.O |
| 20:39.20 | Obelixprime | i get weird pings.. |
| 20:39.22 | Xinhuan | if you relly want to know |
| 20:39.23 | aeon|Capullo | i can give you a small vb script |
| 20:39.30 | nevcairiel | just wait till 2.3.2 |
| 20:39.32 | Obelixprime | i had terrible pings for about 6 weeks... |
| 20:39.36 | nevcairiel | blizz fixed it in their code |
| 20:39.38 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3271071466&sid=1&pageNo=1 - read post 179 |
| 20:39.40 | Obelixprime | where hyjal was like 800ms.. |
| 20:39.41 | Arrowmaster | vb script? |
| 20:39.50 | Xinhuan | full instructions there |
| 20:39.59 | Obelixprime | and then it went down to around 150ms for a month, and just in this past week it's gone up to 500ms again =/ |
| 20:40.16 | aeon|Capullo | open regedit and navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters\Interfaces |
| 20:40.28 | aeon|Capullo | then search for the right interface |
| 20:40.32 | Xinhuan | there's 2 parts to it, one is to reduce tcp ack from 2 to 1, the other is to set tcpnodelay |
| 20:40.41 | *** join/#wowace Neebler` (n=BuM@adsl-64-163-110-147.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) |
| 20:40.43 | Xinhuan | its all in that 16 page thread |
| 20:40.58 | aeon|Capullo | and add there a dword named TcpAckFrequency and set it to 1 |
| 20:41.17 | aeon|Capullo | default is 2, not 0 |
| 20:41.26 | Xinhuan | there are ways to only specifically apply the changes to wow.exe, but only via tunnelling |
| 20:41.27 | *** join/#wowace bladlus (n=Batos@193.69.144.170) |
| 20:41.33 | Xinhuan | or via linux box |
| 20:41.36 | aeon|Capullo | so be sure, when you want to set it back, to delete the dword or set it to 2 |
| 20:42.19 | Fisker- | so it's underneath the key where all the ip information and so forth is? |
| 20:42.29 | kovi | yep |
| 20:42.35 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3271071466&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 20:42.38 | Fisker- | awesomeness |
| 20:42.42 | Xinhuan | deatails ALL in that thread |
| 20:42.46 | Fisker- | anyways |
| 20:42.47 | Fisker- | moar drama |
| 20:42.59 | harl|GW | i wish SCT had a "use THIS profile for ALL characters" option, instead of creating a new one for each of them |
| 20:43.27 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, how would I apply it only to WoW.exe on linux ? |
| 20:43.28 | capullo | iam coding on a addon for this issue :P |
| 20:43.35 | Xinhuan | read the thread |
| 20:43.37 | *** join/#wowace Tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/Tekkub) |
| 20:43.37 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 20:43.40 | cncfanatics | come on, tell me |
| 20:43.44 | Polarina | capullo: What addon? |
| 20:43.46 | Xinhuan | .. its all in there |
| 20:43.56 | nevcairiel | on linux its even easier |
| 20:44.06 | nevcairiel | you can setup the socap locally |
| 20:44.14 | Xinhuan | just go read and apply the "best" solution for your computer setup |
| 20:44.19 | capullo | i dont like, when i download a UI, to rename the WTF folder and so on |
| 20:44.24 | Xinhuan | there's like 5 or so different solutions |
| 20:44.44 | Polarina | How do I do this with Wine? |
| 20:44.54 | Xinhuan | whole thread is dedicated to troubleshooting this |
| 20:45.00 | capullo | you know the compilation mazzleUI? |
| 20:45.08 | capullo | with this installer |
| 20:45.21 | harldephin | i don't like any all-in-one-UIs |
| 20:45.25 | capullo | i try to code something like that |
| 20:45.38 | aestil | ~wine |
| 20:45.39 | purl | Emulator of the Windows 3.x and Win32 APIs.. URL: http://www.winehq.com/, or a good way of curing the aches and pains of a systems integrator, or not half as good as beer, or best served in a clean wine glass after supper, or comes in may colours and flavors |
| 20:45.44 | capullo | this is different because you can choose what you want |
| 20:46.03 | harldephin | emulator?! oO lol |
| 20:46.10 | capullo | and the addon configure all other addons for you |
| 20:46.23 | Fisker- | omg not an emulator omg omg omg |
| 20:46.29 | harldephin | ~emulator |
| 20:46.30 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, emulator is perhaps plex86bochs? |
| 20:46.35 | harldephin | yea |
| 20:46.36 | capullo | so its easy to use the settings on other accounts/chars |
| 20:46.39 | aestil | dildo = penis emulator |
| 20:47.14 | harldephin | most ace add-ons already do have one default profile for all new chars |
| 20:47.26 | cncfanatics | how to find out my webserver adress ? Xinhuan ? |
| 20:47.29 | cncfanatics | I used to be able to do that :p |
| 20:47.31 | harldephin | what i asked for was SCT to implement a similar option |
| 20:47.41 | capullo | i use MSBT :P |
| 20:47.48 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: moanmyip.com? |
| 20:47.59 | cncfanatics | I mean WoW server |
| 20:48.04 | cncfanatics | kazzak EU in my case |
| 20:48.10 | harldephin | i don't like MSBT |
| 20:48.12 | Arrowmaster | netstat |
| 20:48.14 | capullo | netstat |
| 20:48.42 | harldephin | ~netstat |
| 20:48.42 | purl | harldephin netstat - Prints network connections, routing tables, interface statistics, masquerade connections, and multi-cast memberships. try netstat -pantu to also see which daemon serves which port |
| 20:48.43 | aestil | Parrot >> MSBT >>>> SCT [imo] |
| 20:48.47 | harldephin | cool, purl. |
| 20:48.54 | Industrial | msbt > * imo |
| 20:49.16 | capullo | i like the standard font and effect for crits in msbt :P |
| 20:49.24 | Industrial | standard font? |
| 20:49.30 | Industrial | nm |
| 20:49.31 | aestil | indie, i just can't see how, since parrot has every relevant feature of MSBT, and yet, its easier to configure and [last i used] more accesisble. |
| 20:49.50 | aestil | also, i can't spell. |
| 20:49.52 | Fisker- | i hope it works |
| 20:49.55 | Fisker- | or the dog gets it |
| 20:50.09 | Ellipsis` | ooh, Indy vs. aestil? this is relevant to my interests |
| 20:50.10 | Industrial | it's not easier to configure, and crapload heavier |
| 20:50.14 | Fisker- | does the tcp nodelay stuff have any bad effects on other tcp/ip communication? |
| 20:50.24 | aestil | industrial what if rock is free to me? |
| 20:50.30 | capullo | fisker: maybe |
| 20:50.30 | Industrial | free? |
| 20:50.37 | aestil | since i'm going to be using at least... i dunno 3 or 4 other rock addons. |
| 20:50.40 | capullo | for big downloads |
| 20:50.50 | aestil | so the cost of 'rock' is irrelevant to me. |
| 20:51.07 | Industrial | that the rock config is still inferior to the one in MSBT |
| 20:51.09 | Industrial | then* |
| 20:51.20 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: if you use the general windows registry fix floating around the forums then yes it has bad effects |
| 20:51.31 | aestil | and i used MSBT forever before parrot became fully featured, INSTATLY my impression of setting up Parrot was that it was more direct, more powerful, and i did things with it that I never did with MSBT because it wasn't obvious that I could do them. |
| 20:51.31 | Industrial | so, preference. |
| 20:51.38 | Fisker- | liek wut Arrowmaster ? :O |
| 20:51.57 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: like making all p2p file transfers worse |
| 20:52.00 | Industrial | aestil: you dont have to/are going to ever convince me :P |
| 20:52.07 | aestil | obviously. |
| 20:52.57 | Xinhuan | fisker, i suggest again for the 3rd time to read the thread i linked. Yes, all 16 pages of it |
| 20:52.59 | Thorgard | Aww man.. |
| 20:53.00 | aestil | i'll always think your opinions are formed by issues outside whether or not the mod itself is good. |
| 20:53.03 | capullo | http://images.my-ro.net/image.php?id=3bdf966bfb789e47fafc7fabe0525ad1 <- i love eepanels2 |
| 20:53.05 | Thorgard | Why can't I copy profiles in Pitbull? |
| 20:53.09 | Xinhuan | it wil tell you the reasons, why, how, sideeffects, etc |
| 20:53.15 | Fisker- | nah Xinhuan :o |
| 20:53.39 | *** join/#wowace YourMomsHero (n=cirish@74.202.196.195) |
| 20:53.43 | Thorgard | LibRockDB-1.0-46782 (LibRockDB-1.0):1362: Cannot access key "target" in db table. You may want to use db.profile["target"] |
| 20:53.53 | *** join/#wowace stavmar_ (n=chatzill@cpe-67-9-165-7.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 20:54.03 | Fisker- | rofl |
| 20:54.06 | Thorgard | And.. PitBull-2.0r56911\PitBull_MetaLayout.lua:1912: Must call `SetDatabase' before accessing the db object |
| 20:54.09 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: basicly the windows registry 'fix' will change your networking settings for everything instead of just wow, and some things will run worse with that changed, the true fix is to do it while only effecting wow not everything |
| 20:54.10 | Fisker- | why the fuck are they banning lowerping users? |
| 20:54.15 | Fisker- | I've used sockscap for ages now |
| 20:54.26 | capullo | do you know, why french speaking chinafarmer try to sell gold on german servers? |
| 20:54.38 | Primer | in pitbull, is there no way to have an icon of the class type in a unit frame? |
| 20:54.40 | [dRaCo] | been wondering about that, too |
| 20:54.45 | aestil | art in addons is always somewhat 'meh' to me. yes, even yours Ellipsis` |
| 20:55.05 | Primer | one that stands out prominently? |
| 20:55.10 | [dRaCo] | Primer: there is... it's an option of the portraits module, iirc |
| 20:55.29 | Primer | [dRaCo]: ahh, yet another module. I'll check it out, thanks |
| 20:55.36 | Industrial | < aestil> i'll always think your opinions are formed by issues outside whether or not the mod itself is good. |
| 20:55.42 | Industrial | yeah thats opinion |
| 20:55.43 | Industrial | :P |
| 20:55.59 | cncfanatics | grrrr, WTB realm list with ip adresses |
| 20:55.59 | cncfanatics | please |
| 20:56.03 | Industrial | not asessment ;) |
| 20:56.11 | Primer | [dRaCo]: hrm, can't find that in WAU |
| 20:56.17 | Thorgard | cncfanatics, what are you looking for? |
| 20:56.18 | Ellipsis` | cncfanatics, there's one on wowwiki |
| 20:56.21 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3271071466&sid=1&pageNo=4 #71 |
| 20:56.24 | Fisker- | anyone remember how to set up some WOW tunnelling without using sockscap btw? |
| 20:56.29 | Fisker- | someone in here made a link for it |
| 20:56.36 | aestil | Industrial: :), speaking of assesment. i want them to relase stuff re: 2.4's combat log!!! |
| 20:56.36 | [dRaCo] | Primer: comes with pitbull per default |
| 20:56.38 | Primer | [dRaCo]: did you mean that was a separate module? Or is that built into pitbull? |
| 20:56.39 | Arrowmaster | dont use wowwiki, its apparently outdated |
| 20:56.42 | Primer | ahh, my bad |
| 20:56.45 | Thorgard | http://www.wowwiki.com/EU_English_Realms_Info |
| 20:57.24 | capullo | fisker: for windows only? |
| 20:57.30 | aestil | Anyone watch 'chuck' on nbc? |
| 20:57.40 | cncfanatics | for the record, the EU ones |
| 20:57.53 | Thorgard | cncfanatics, check out that link. |
| 20:57.56 | Fisker- | capullo something like that |
| 20:58.01 | Fisker- | you still need a tunnel i believe |
| 20:58.12 | capullo | you need a "transporter" |
| 20:58.15 | Fisker- | but it could be done without modifying WoW by hooking it into something like sockscap |
| 20:58.16 | capullo | like ssh |
| 20:58.22 | Fisker- | i know |
| 20:58.23 | Fisker- | already got it |
| 20:58.25 | capullo | ipsec |
| 20:58.29 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: connect to your realm, win-r cmd, netstat -n, look for the connections to port 3724 |
| 20:59.05 | Xinhuan | the connection address should look like 12-345-678-90.attens.net:3724 |
| 20:59.16 | Xinhuan | the numbers are the IP address parts of the server |
| 20:59.42 | cncfanatics | good tip Arrowmaster |
| 20:59.42 | cncfanatics | 213.248.123.61 |
| 20:59.57 | Arrowmaster | and then go make sure its correct on wowwiki pls |
| 21:00.15 | Fisker- | EU realms are 80.x.x.x |
| 21:00.25 | cncfanatics | guess not Fisker- |
| 21:00.26 | capullo | i use atm freecap over my rootserver with dante server, because my isp has a bad peering to telia |
| 21:00.27 | cncfanatics | pretty sure thats my real |
| 21:00.32 | cncfanatics | its the only connection to port 3724 |
| 21:00.41 | Fisker- | i disagree |
| 21:00.49 | cncfanatics | tcp 0 0 192.168.1.3:57556 213.248.123.61:3724 ESTABLISHED |
| 21:00.55 | cncfanatics | what could that be except a realm ? |
| 21:00.55 | Fisker- | Name: 213-248-123-61.customer.teliacarrier.com |
| 21:00.56 | Fisker- | weird |
| 21:01.02 | Thorgard | Fisker-, the ones in the Hamburg datacenter are 213.248.122.x, 213.248.123.x |
| 21:01.03 | Fisker- | it's telia |
| 21:01.06 | Fisker- | ah ok Thorgard |
| 21:01.19 | cncfanatics | btw |
| 21:01.20 | Primer | [dRaCo]: you seem to know a bit about pitbull. I'm loving it so far, but one thing bugs me: I can't make it stop changing the color of the health bar for party/raid members. I realize this is to denote that they are in combat and taking damage, but I...don't like that, and I can't find where to disable that. Would you happen to know? |
| 21:01.21 | Fisker- | but the cool ones are 80.x.x.x or whatever |
| 21:01.29 | cncfanatics | for the record, wow realms have a static ip right ? |
| 21:01.34 | Fisker- | yup |
| 21:01.37 | Xinhuan | you can tracert the address |
| 21:01.45 | cncfanatics | I can put this into a startup script then |
| 21:01.50 | Xinhuan | but the servers themselves won't reply pings |
| 21:02.01 | [dRaCo] | Primer: Pitbull_Banzai... just disable it |
| 21:02.13 | Primer | [dRaCo]: excellent. Thanks again |
| 21:02.43 | Fisker- | just get a tcp based traceroute program |
| 21:02.50 | Fisker- | use port 3724 |
| 21:03.07 | cncfanatics | sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 213.248.123.61 --dport 3724 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 3724 didn't crash my wow :( |
| 21:03.17 | Lukian | lol someone is still using VER 214 of Nautilus |
| 21:04.39 | cncfanatics | shouldnt the above command d/c me ? :o |
| 21:04.59 | capullo | no, the tcp-connection is still open |
| 21:05.17 | Xinhuan | you'll have to restart wow |
| 21:05.19 | Xinhuan | i think |
| 21:05.22 | cncfanatics | k k |
| 21:05.42 | cncfanatics | any way to do this without super user privileges ? |
| 21:05.53 | cncfanatics | would be rather handy |
| 21:05.55 | capullo | nope |
| 21:06.16 | capullo | iptables is a kernelmodule |
| 21:06.32 | cncfanatics | thought so |
| 21:07.26 | *** join/#wowace sag_ich_nicht (i=bitch2k@85-127-129-187.static.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 21:07.28 | capullo | how to get every 30minutes at least one /spit as mage while standing in ironforge? |
| 21:07.38 | sag_ich_nicht | i dunno |
| 21:07.39 | cncfanatics | not hand out water |
| 21:07.42 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 21:07.44 | sag_ich_nicht | old |
| 21:07.52 | cncfanatics | very |
| 21:08.03 | capullo | equip Pillar of Ferocity with icy chill |
| 21:08.13 | capullo | icy weapon i mean |
| 21:08.16 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 21:08.20 | Xinhuan | yell out: 300,000 gold available within 24 hours at xxx.yyy.zzz.com, Order now for..... |
| 21:08.24 | Xinhuan | and run around |
| 21:08.34 | Xinhuan | gauranteed /spit every 30 minutes |
| 21:08.40 | cncfanatics | every minute even |
| 21:10.02 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 21:10.06 | cncfanatics | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/214397/en-us |
| 21:10.11 | cncfanatics | I love how they use MICROSOFT TCP |
| 21:10.14 | cncfanatics | its TCP, idiots |
| 21:10.49 | Xinhuan | nah, they are referring to microsoft's implementation of TCP |
| 21:11.10 | cncfanatics | hmmm, so this is pretty much a win only issue ? |
| 21:11.12 | Xinhuan | just like how there's GNU C, Borland C, etc |
| 21:11.15 | cncfanatics | or is the unix implementation the same ? |
| 21:11.18 | Xinhuan | but its still "C" |
| 21:11.18 | *** join/#wowace Cyrez` (n=thecyrez@c-24-5-6-64.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 21:11.22 | Primer | MS does its own TCP |
| 21:11.31 | capullo | yes, microsoft branded TCP packets are more secure and so on |
| 21:11.38 | Xinhuan | probably implemented differently, but they all adhere to a standard |
| 21:11.39 | Primer | take that case of IE talking to IIS not issuing a SYN |
| 21:11.52 | Sarana | I thought they used to be based of the BSD code, did they switch that? |
| 21:11.54 | Primer | and IIS gladly replying |
| 21:12.08 | Primer | Sarana: no, they "embraced and extended" it |
| 21:13.02 | cncfanatics | capsullo, and infinite times slower :p |
| 21:14.34 | capullo | the microsoft tcp packets are hand selected, no need for error correction |
| 21:15.29 | Fisker- | yay |
| 21:15.39 | Fisker- | there's also a cygwin socat |
| 21:15.42 | capullo | fisker: btw, its working? |
| 21:16.28 | Fisker- | don't know |
| 21:16.32 | Fisker- | i'm not restarting my computer |
| 21:16.35 | Fisker- | THAT'S MADNESS |
| 21:16.44 | sag_ich_nicht | [22:11] <cncfanatics> or is the unix implementation the same ? <--the unix implementation is similiar, linux uses CUBIC TCP atm, used to use BIC TCP, bla |
| 21:17.09 | sag_ich_nicht | lern2internet |
| 21:17.25 | cncfanatics | cba |
| 21:17.32 | cncfanatics | getting JC up & trying to get a BM grp |
| 21:17.32 | sag_ich_nicht | then don't flame :P |
| 21:17.59 | sag_ich_nicht | [22:11] <Sarana> I thought they used to be based of the BSD code, did they switch that? <--that was changed years ago in NT 3.1 |
| 21:18.07 | sag_ich_nicht | 9x was based on BSD code, that is correct |
| 21:18.20 | sag_ich_nicht | NT and onwards redid the TCP stack from scratch |
| 21:18.40 | sag_ich_nicht | the problem is that nagle and delayed ack are both part of the TCP standard |
| 21:18.53 | tig | they should have sticked to BSD code ;) |
| 21:19.17 | sag_ich_nicht | no, because the BSD code from that time was terrible, and not very compatible with the way windows does things |
| 21:19.23 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 21:19.35 | sag_ich_nicht | go read Nagle's own comment on that whole matter here: http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=174457&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=14515105 |
| 21:19.58 | tig | sag_ich_nicht: it has improved |
| 21:20.42 | sag_ich_nicht | tig: yes, but i'd prefer you don't flame windows' TCP implementation for no apparent reason, go flame winsocks, not the TCP stack in specific :P |
| 21:21.53 | tig | lol, you never saw me flaming ;) |
| 21:22.08 | Ellipsis` | silly nerds |
| 21:22.10 | tig | it wasnt intended as flame at least ;) |
| 21:22.14 | Ellipsis` | INTERNET IS TUBES |
| 21:22.15 | aestil | my thoughts exactly. |
| 21:22.17 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis`: shut up and get back under my table |
| 21:22.29 | aestil | its not a lemon party without old dick! |
| 21:23.10 | Sarana | Yeah I remember talk about them switching. Wasn't sure if it happened. ((Guess you can tell how much I follow Windows.)) |
| 21:24.28 | Ellipsis` | I wonder |
| 21:24.43 | Ellipsis` | if Blizz had made this change sooner, would the casting system have ever had to change |
| 21:24.59 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 21:25.12 | Ellipsis` | people wouldn't have been whining for it though |
| 21:25.20 | sag_ich_nicht | actually i would have |
| 21:25.23 | Gnarfoz | didn't someone have an addon that flagged everyone as afk in BGs? |
| 21:25.26 | sag_ich_nicht | because i always whine about obscure bugs |
| 21:25.30 | Gnarfoz | or was that function protected already? |
| 21:25.38 | Ellipsis` | sag_ich_nicht: and that is why I love you |
| 21:26.04 | Sarana | There is an undocumented limit on the number of AFK reports AFAIK. |
| 21:26.40 | Shadowed | Sarana you're correct |
| 21:26.45 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis`: <3 |
| 21:27.02 | Shadowed | if you search you should be able to find sloukens post saying it'll silently discard your report after a certain limit |
| 21:27.07 | Ellipsis` | although to be fair, I think you ought to be complaining about the fact that 1.5sec spam is still not handled well :) |
| 21:27.18 | sag_ich_nicht | what |
| 21:27.19 | sag_ich_nicht | still not |
| 21:27.27 | sag_ich_nicht | in the new PTR build as well? |
| 21:27.28 | sag_ich_nicht | explain |
| 21:27.44 | Ellipsis` | I don't do PTR |
| 21:27.48 | Ellipsis` | so I don't know about that |
| 21:27.54 | Ellipsis` | did they make more changes? |
| 21:28.12 | sag_ich_nicht | well 2.3.2 is supposed to fix the 1.5 second spam cast problems |
| 21:28.21 | Ellipsis` | how? |
| 21:28.22 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1764.msg165513#msg165513 |
| 21:28.23 | Industrial | Ellipsis`: ^ |
| 21:28.45 | Ellipsis` | oh hi thar |
| 21:28.57 | Industrial | oh hi all my interface pics from 2007 |
| 21:29.00 | Shadowed | Anyone know if PTR is back up? |
| 21:29.03 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis`: it's somewhere on the UI forums, but i cba to look it up |
| 21:29.24 | Ellipsis` | heehee |
| 21:30.10 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis`: but it has something to do with these 2 PTR patchnote entries: |
| 21:30.11 | sag_ich_nicht | # Fixed various problems with /castsequence getting stuck. |
| 21:30.11 | sag_ich_nicht | # /cast will toggle spells again unless the name is prefixed with an exclamation mark, e.g. /castsequence Steady Shot, !Auto Shot |
| 21:30.14 | Ellipsis` | you know this says a lot about you, Industrial |
| 21:30.30 | Ellipsis` | sag_ich_nicht: those have nothing to do with the client side GCD problem |
| 21:30.49 | Industrial | Ellipsis`: yes thats why I posted it, pretty fun |
| 21:30.54 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis`: actually they do, obscure bugs, etc., bla, go search the UI forums, i cba |
| 21:31.18 | Primer | so tired of getting disconnected when playing wow on my laptop |
| 21:31.38 | Primer | the wow directory is an _exact_ copy from my main box, where I never get disconnected |
| 21:31.52 | sag_ich_nicht | Primer OS? |
| 21:32.04 | Primer | laptop is vista, unfortunately |
| 21:32.08 | NightHawkAtWork | Primer: I imagine that diconnects have very little to do with your actual copy of wow, or the wow directory. :P |
| 21:32.12 | Primer | main box is XP |
| 21:32.12 | sag_ich_nicht | install SP1 RC1, noob |
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| 21:32.39 | Primer | NightHawkAtWork: yeah well, the wow 'support page' regarding disconnects tells you to nuke your cache/wtf/addon dirs |
| 21:32.42 | Primer | and start over |
| 21:32.44 | Ellipsis` | Industrial: I loled at the second one, I can't imagine you using a texture like that for cast bars |
| 21:32.48 | Primer | which I've done...to no avail |
| 21:32.50 | NightHawkAtWork | Primer: the wow support page is 90% crap. |
| 21:33.01 | NightHawkAtWork | deleting cache/wtf/interface directories is their answer to everything. |
| 21:33.18 | Xuerian | Hello, welcome to World of Warcraft Personals. Please enter your Name, Faction, Race, Server, and Interface screenshot so that we can match you! |
| 21:33.20 | NightHawkAtWork | "MONKEYS ATE MY SAMMICH!" "Delete your Cache/WTF/Interface directories, and then try making another sandwich." |
| 21:33.27 | Primer | heh |
| 21:33.36 | Primer | well, I guess I can always blame vista |
| 21:33.36 | NivFreak | you know it's great |
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| 21:33.52 | NivFreak | I've had a GM tell me to delete all my addons and restart to fix problems a hundred times |
| 21:33.54 | Primer | I should just nuke vista and run it in wine |
| 21:33.56 | NivFreak | and I was always nice and did it |
| 21:34.02 | NivFreak | and it never fixed a problem |
| 21:34.04 | NivFreak | SO |
| 21:34.08 | NivFreak | I finally stand my ground |
| 21:34.15 | NivFreak | and what do you know, it really did fix the problem |
| 21:34.18 | NivFreak | I felt like a jerk |
| 21:34.24 | sag_ich_nicht | [22:33] <NivFreak> I've had a GM tell me to delete all my addons and restart to fix problems a hundred times <--i just lie to GMs when they tell me that to get the ticket evelated more quickly |
| 21:34.35 | NivFreak | yea |
| 21:34.37 | NivFreak | but like I said |
| 21:34.39 | NivFreak | this time it really was |
| 21:34.39 | NightHawkAtWork | NivFreak: the irony is that, from a company's support perspective, they -have- to tell you to do that, because they -don't- support custom addons |
| 21:34.47 | NivFreak | yea |
| 21:39.24 | Xinhuan | i wonder what the GMs will say if you petitioned and say |
| 21:39.44 | Xinhuan | "my macro isn't working, can you help me make this macro that does X, Y and Z?" |
| 21:40.23 | cncfanatics | they'd say "fuck off idiot" |
| 21:40.24 | cncfanatics | more polite ofc |
| 21:40.29 | cncfanatics | but it'd end up in meaning that |
| 21:41.01 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 21:41.04 | Fisker- | this is weird |
| 21:41.13 | Fisker- | i routed it through socat |
| 21:41.21 | Fisker- | but then another host showed up in netstat |
| 21:41.45 | Fisker- | this appears to be madness |
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| 21:42.07 | Fisker- | looked promising in the start |
| 21:42.09 | Fisker- | had 15ms :( |
| 21:42.10 | Lukian | Is the author of nQuestLog in this channel? |
| 21:42.14 | Industrial | Ellipsis`: oh yeah I was still setting up my interface :P pic was mroe about the unitframes (pitbull) |
| 21:42.16 | Lukian | (neuron, Quagmire) |
| 21:42.18 | Xinhuan | well macros ARE supported by wow |
| 21:42.21 | Xinhuan | but not addons |
| 21:42.43 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 21:42.53 | cncfanatics | that iptables thingy doesn't seem to work at all |
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| 21:43.31 | sag_ich_nicht | cncfanatics OS? |
| 21:44.23 | cncfanatics | debian |
| 21:44.32 | cncfanatics | looks like doing nothing |
| 21:44.40 | cncfanatics | I ran the first command to redirect everything to the loopback, then restarted wo |
| 21:44.43 | sag_ich_nicht | no i meant the OS you play on, debian too? then talk to bleeter :P |
| 21:44.50 | cncfanatics | debian too yes |
| 21:45.12 | sag_ich_nicht | go in #wowi-lounge and talk to bleeter then |
| 21:45.30 | sag_ich_nicht | he knows probably the most about the problem and how to work around it on linux |
| 21:45.47 | Polarina | I know of a way to do some cross-faction communication and it is allowed. (I asked a game-master). |
| 21:45.54 | sag_ich_nicht | o rly |
| 21:46.00 | sag_ich_nicht | i know one too, but it's not allowed |
| 21:46.00 | Polarina | sag_ich_nicht: ya rly |
| 21:46.02 | sag_ich_nicht | so tell me your way |
| 21:46.18 | Polarina | Put up a [Plain Letter] on the neutral Auction House. |
| 21:46.40 | Polarina | It is allowed. |
| 21:46.41 | cncfanatics | Polarina, die |
| 21:46.47 | cncfanatics | too slow |
| 21:46.47 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah i figured it would be |
| 21:46.50 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 21:46.52 | sag_ich_nicht | too slow |
| 21:46.57 | Polarina | I have screenshot of the coversation with the GM. |
| 21:47.00 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
| 21:47.02 | sag_ich_nicht | still |
| 21:47.07 | sag_ich_nicht | too slow for actualy communication |
| 21:47.18 | Polarina | It's the fasted one without getting banned. |
| 21:47.27 | sag_ich_nicht | i can abuse the speech system to encode actual text into it, and decode it on the other side, but it'd get you banned, pfff |
| 21:47.37 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 21:48.39 | Obelixprime | Can I abuse you |
| 21:48.48 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 21:48.51 | sag_ich_nicht | only Ellipsis` is allowed to do that |
| 21:48.56 | Polarina | ~abuse sag_ich_nicht |
| 21:48.56 | purl | ACTION smacks sag_ich_nicht across the face. "Take that, sucker!" |
| 21:49.05 | sag_ich_nicht | ~whalecrit Polarina |
| 21:49.05 | purl | ACTION crits Polarina with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Polarina dies |
| 21:49.16 | Polarina | ~emulate Polarina |
| 21:49.17 | purl | ACTION does a nice little dance |
| 21:50.11 | Gnarfoz | name my shaman! |
| 21:51.56 | sag_ich_nicht | Itouchtotems |
| 21:52.15 | Obelixprime | toddytickles |
| 21:52.15 | cncfanatics | sag_ich_nicht, is it even hard to encode text to get around the cypher ? |
| 21:52.30 | Xuerian | cncfanatics: There's already addons that do it |
| 21:52.33 | sag_ich_nicht | cncfanatics: not really |
| 21:52.43 | Keias | name it Zofrang |
| 21:52.53 | Arrowmaster | hell you can use morse code to do it |
| 21:53.29 | Gnarfoz | I'd go for "Purgewflol" but I guess I'd get my name force-changed pretty quick ^^ |
| 21:54.04 | sag_ich_nicht | lemme give you a link cncfanatics, using it will get you banned, so don't |
| 21:54.21 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 21:54.25 | Gnarfoz | "Totems" was still free :< |
| 21:54.55 | cncfanatics | that link crashed my firefox :( |
| 21:55.14 | Xuerian | Gnarfoz: Ivegotwood 0_o |
| 21:55.30 | sag_ich_nicht | cncfanatics: that's not my fault :P |
| 21:55.42 | Ellipsis` | yes it is |
| 21:55.46 | Ellipsis` | you're trying to hax0r him |
| 21:55.49 | Ellipsis` | and now we all know it! |
| 21:55.54 | sag_ich_nicht | no, not |
| 21:56.04 | sag_ich_nicht | go check the link yourself, fool |
| 21:56.43 | Ellipsis` | didn't crash me |
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| 21:56.47 | Ellipsis` | cncfanatics just fails |
| 21:56.48 | Keias | If it was my shaman |
| 21:56.50 | sag_ich_nicht | told you |
| 21:56.52 | Keias | I'd name it Pooshield |
| 21:56.55 | Keias | and spec resto |
| 21:57.08 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, you're nick fails |
| 21:57.13 | Ellipsis` | yeah it does |
| 21:57.26 | Obelixprime | ZOMGTOTEMZ |
| 21:57.59 | Gnarfoz | Obelixprime: sweet |
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| 21:59.13 | cncfanatics | good girl |
| 21:59.26 | Gnarfoz | Obelixprime: actually, it doesn't look so good, because you can't all uppercase it :< |
| 21:59.28 | sylvanaar | you know i can communicate with some horde over the addon channel - is that a bug? |
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| 21:59.35 | Obelixprime | Zomgtotemz? |
| 22:00.12 | Xion` | sylvanaar, not if you're horde |
| 22:00.16 | Obelixprime | The first shaman to hit 70 on my old server was named jenlopez |
| 22:00.30 | sylvanaar | clearly thats not why i am asking |
| 22:00.31 | RaydenUni | yep. Jenlo Pez |
| 22:00.39 | Xion` | clearly |
| 22:01.10 | Obelixprime | maybe |
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| 22:03.17 | Xuerian | sylvanaar: You're saying you can, or are you asking if you can? |
| 22:03.26 | cncfanatics | I might fail, but my addons don't, Ellipsis |
| 22:03.39 | Xuerian | cncfanatics: No gui |
| 22:03.41 | Xuerian | cncfanatics: :( |
| 22:03.51 | sylvanaar | im saying i can - and asking if its a bug |
| 22:04.05 | Xuerian | sylvanaar: You can't. Cough. |
| 22:04.25 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 22:04.45 | Ellipsis | cncfanatics: what are you implying? |
| 22:05.59 | cncfanatics | that my addons don't fail :p |
| 22:07.48 | Polarina | cncfanatics: What addons have you made? |
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| 22:10.26 | Ellipsis | cncfanatics: mine don't fail more! |
| 22:10.41 | cncfanatics | Polarina: FlexBar :p |
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| 22:22.24 | Gnarfoz | what's up with LibStickyFrames and ThreatLib not being able to be switched on by the AceLibrary thing? |
| 22:23.04 | nevcairiel | its because they are no pure acelibrary libs |
| 22:23.23 | Arrowmaster | Threat-1.0 isnt LoD |
| 22:23.42 | Arrowmaster | because if it isnt loaded on startup it breaks |
| 22:27.44 | Kemayo | Lukian: _neuron_ was on earlier. |
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| 22:28.36 | Lukian | Kemayo, cheers :) |
| 22:28.48 | Lukian | some quests are showing up as "level -1" from the quest givers |
| 22:29.44 | NightHawkAtWork | Lukian: i noticed that as well, its not something strictly limited to QuestFu |
| 22:29.46 | Ellipsis | Gnarfoz: threat isn't lod, so that you can run the lib without any frontend and still broadcast your threat data |
| 22:30.01 | NightHawkAtWork | oh, maybe i should read what you were saying first. >.> |
| 22:30.13 | Lukian | NightHawkAtWork, oddly enough, they are displaying my quest log as my current level |
| 22:30.36 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, its probably some weird special flagging done by blizzard |
| 22:31.26 | NightHawkAtWork | to make sure the quest is "whatever level you are" so it always shows up as an available quest |
| 22:32.20 | Kemayo | Yeah, I think they're doing it to avoid the new "(low level)" stuff. |
| 22:32.34 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah |
| 22:32.43 | NightHawkAtWork | I noticed it on a pally class quest, so that makes sense |
| 22:33.01 | Arrowmaster | weird since some of the seasonal quests show up as level 70 nomatter what level your character is |
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| 22:34.08 | NightHawkAtWork | That's probably a matter of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing ;) Or, there's some other good reason *shrug* |
| 22:34.59 | NightHawkAtWork | Although, thinking about it, it might have to do with experience from the quest. |
| 22:35.34 | Kemayo | It's possible that they're moving to the -1 approach for everything -- it'd make more sense than labelling quests everyone can do as 70. |
| 22:36.11 | Ellipsis | especially since they had to relabel the seasonal quests from 60 to 70 when TBC came out |
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| 22:36.54 | NightHawkAtWork | Possibly, I was just thinking that the "always at your level" quests, like class quests, may give significant xp gains, and they want those to either scale with level properly, or at least not diminish due to being "too low/high level", whereas that may not be a concern with seasonal quests. |
| 22:37.17 | Arrowmaster | they have a lot of hidden flags on quests |
| 22:37.41 | Arrowmaster | like most quests that give rep gains will give a much lower amount of rep if they quest is gray |
| 22:37.55 | Arrowmaster | but the tranquillan quests dont |
| 22:38.07 | NightHawkAtWork | hm, really? |
| 22:38.29 | vrak | they changed that part a some patches ago |
| 22:38.37 | RaydenUni | they are increasing ambush dmg? |
| 22:38.41 | Arrowmaster | yeah i was exalted tranquillian on my 200+ days played warlock after i hit 70 |
| 22:38.44 | NightHawkAtWork | RaydenUni: yes |
| 22:38.59 | vrak | any quest that gives rep gives full rep regardless of your level |
| 22:38.59 | NightHawkAtWork | vrak: regardless, the flag probably still exists :P |
| 22:39.24 | Arrowmaster | was helping guild alts with quests and decided to do all the quests myself for the hell of it and get exalted |
| 22:39.39 | NightHawkAtWork | shame there's no purchasable tabard |
| 22:39.45 | RaydenUni | oh, is this to buff rogues in arena? |
| 22:39.45 | Arrowmaster | yeah really |
| 22:39.49 | vrak | NightHawkAtWork: well, i don't know about that thing, though :p |
| 22:39.50 | kergoth | ar/prep nerf makes me sad |
| 22:39.56 | NightHawkAtWork | stupdid draenei get a tabard. |
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| 22:40.06 | NightHawkAtWork | kergoth: ar/prep nerf, eh? |
| 22:40.13 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Wobin_] by ChanServ |
| 22:40.18 | NightHawkAtWork | RaydenUni: it applies to druid ravage as well. *shrug* |
| 22:40.20 | kergoth | prep no longer affects ar, it does affect shadowstep now |
| 22:40.20 | vrak | NightHawkAtWork: prep doesn't reset ar anymore |
| 22:40.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:40.35 | NightHawkAtWork | kergoth: >< so, does prep affect anything not in the subtlty tree anymore :P |
| 22:40.35 | Arrowmaster | atleast if i have time i can fly from ZA to tranquillian and repair for 20% discount |
| 22:40.59 | NightHawkAtWork | Arrowmaster: thats a good point |
| 22:42.00 | Arrowmaster | i think the one they fixed a few patches ago was the drenai ones, they shouldnt have changed teh tranquillien ones since theres no way to get rep other than non repeatable quests |
| 22:42.56 | NightHawkAtWork | Arrowmaster: hmm, isn't there some reapeable quests that give tranq rep? for the items off mobs in the dead scar? |
| 22:43.10 | Arrowmaster | dont think those give rep |
| 22:43.20 | NightHawkAtWork | I don't really recall |
| 22:43.41 | Funkeh` | whats the amcro to sue trinket slot 2 |
| 22:43.45 | Funkeh` | macro* |
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| 22:43.49 | Funkeh` | use* >.< |
| 22:44.01 | NightHawkAtWork | Funkeh`: er, "/use 14" :P |
| 22:44.02 | Zariel | how do you get the color of incoming wispers? |
| 22:44.10 | Funkeh` | NightHawkAtWork, k |
| 22:44.12 | NeoTron | so one person I know recommended not making a large effort in getting illidan to traps in phase 5, noting that the extra logistics isn't worth it (and that he doesn't hit THAT hard) |
| 22:44.12 | NightHawkAtWork | or whatever id the 2nd trinket slot is |
| 22:44.18 | NightHawkAtWork | i may have gotten the number wrong, but wowwiki knows. |
| 22:47.57 | stavmar_ | Xinhuan: ping |
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| 23:04.56 | Obelixprime | Neotron: yeah, it really depends on the placement of the trap |
| 23:05.13 | Obelixprime | if it's across the room and your tank is forced to have illidan face the raid its not worth it |
| 23:07.43 | NeoTron | so enrage is healable |
| 23:08.01 | NeoTron | trap is preferable but not at the expense of moving all across the room or risking him healing 20% from his soul drain |
| 23:08.18 | Obelixprime | it's very difficult to enrage... |
| 23:08.26 | Obelixprime | its 25 minutes isn't it? |
| 23:08.44 | Obelixprime | the few kills we've had were in like the 20 minute range |
| 23:08.56 | NeoTron | 25m yes |
| 23:08.59 | Obelixprime | even if you miss a trap, she'll throw another one down soon enough |
| 23:09.08 | NeoTron | I mean |
| 23:09.15 | NeoTron | he enrages when not entrapped |
| 23:09.24 | Obelixprime | he does o_O? |
| 23:09.26 | NeoTron | the 25m is a "berserk" timer or something |
| 23:09.31 | NeoTron | he his harder for a little bit |
| 23:09.36 | NeoTron | liek 50% harder? |
| 23:10.22 | Obelixprime | oh |
| 23:10.23 | Obelixprime | yeah |
| 23:10.24 | Obelixprime | ok |
| 23:10.24 | Aens|Superiority | just have your tank ready to shield wall |
| 23:10.32 | Obelixprime | ^ |
| 23:11.05 | Aens|Superiority | and if you are really unsure of your tank's inability, have one of the flame tanks shield wall the next one. Should be able to live through it |
| 23:11.32 | Obelixprime | we usually have 2 druids as flame tanks :( |
| 23:14.23 | NeoTron | he's tauntable? |
| 23:15.01 | Aens|Superiority | no, but aggro wipe between demon->human |
| 23:15.55 | NeoTron | I'd think FR equipped tanks wouldn't be as effective in tanking him |
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| 23:41.32 | Chompers | hey ckk |
| 23:41.39 | Josh_Borke | hi ckk |
| 23:42.17 | Chompers | about your dogtag change, weird how you can get the other factions talent data |
| 23:42.34 | Chompers | not that that's a bad thing |
| 23:42.57 | Josh_Borke | you can't get it with the default gui though, right? |
| 23:43.12 | Chompers | don't think so |
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| 23:49.32 | Ellipsis | no, you can't |
| 23:50.56 | cncfanatics | how can you get other faction talent data ? :o |
| 23:51.09 | *** join/#wowace sparqzorz (n=ILOVEWOW@71.128.253.236) |
| 23:51.12 | Chompers | hacks |
| 23:51.26 | cncfanatics | tell meh the hacks |
| 23:52.41 | sparqzorz | Yo go check it out. beta sign ups for WLK http://wowwlkbeta.tk/ |
| 23:53.08 | Arrowmaster | anybody know if its possible to use [modifier] in a macro to check against the set selfcast modifier? |
| 23:53.34 | Josh_Borke | i'll click |
| 23:53.35 | Josh_Borke | oh look |
| 23:53.44 | cncfanatics | someone kickban sparqzorz |
| 23:53.54 | cncfanatics | 100% guaranteed scam ? |
| 23:53.55 | Josh_Borke | why's it got all that stuff at the top? |
| 23:54.17 | Killmore | haha nice scam :P |
| 23:54.28 | cncfanatics | Kaelten, Kergoth, hyperChipmunk, Cairenn|afk, [Ammo] |
| 23:54.36 | cncfanatics | one of you kickban :à) |
| 23:59.23 | Nargiddley | haha love the url on the submit button |
