| 00:06.00 | aestil | ~dogtag |
| 00:06.15 | aestil | damnit. whats the syntax for name + outline? |
| 00:08.14 | JoshBork1 | don't use dogtag =P |
| 00:08.43 | Industrial | ^ |
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| 00:10.58 | aestil | thanks for being helpful. |
| 00:11.05 | aestil | :rollseyes: |
| 00:11.10 | nevcairiel | no problem. |
| 00:11.39 | JoshBork1 | aestil: anytime n00b |
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| 00:12.52 | Funkeh` | yo Tuller |
| 00:13.48 | Tuller | hello |
| 00:15.36 | Orionshock | ouch |
| 00:15.38 | Orionshock | http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/OrionShock/WoWScrnShot_120107_171359.jpg |
| 00:16.22 | Industrial | you are an egg :D? |
| 00:16.32 | CIA-8 | 03starlon * r56415 10DebuffAlarm/DebuffAlarm.lua: |
| 00:16.32 | CIA-8 | DebuffAlarm: |
| 00:16.32 | CIA-8 | - Show addon name in tooltip |
| 00:16.59 | Funkeh` | was thinking the same... |
| 00:18.14 | Tuller | quick someone convince me to not get a zune + zune pass :P |
| 00:18.19 | aestil | can you make a line break in dog tag? |
| 00:18.24 | aestil | Tuller: dont' do it. |
| 00:18.27 | CIA-8 | 03starlon * r56416 10DebuffAlarm/DebuffAlarm.lua: |
| 00:18.27 | CIA-8 | DebuffAlarm: |
| 00:18.27 | CIA-8 | - Typo |
| 00:18.29 | Diao | aestil |
| 00:18.33 | Diao | just move everything down 1 line |
| 00:18.41 | Diao | and then create a line with a space in it as the only thing |
| 00:18.47 | Diao | and it'll display a blank line |
| 00:18.50 | Diao | or should |
| 00:20.14 | JoshBork1 | Tuller: don't do it |
| 00:20.24 | JoshBork1 | Tuller: while you'll pay less now, you'll regret it in the futuro |
| 00:20.40 | Tuller | lets assume that I strip the DRM from files for now |
| 00:20.48 | Tuller | so I'm about 50% illegal :P |
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| 00:21.21 | Tuller | and that i don't actually own any music |
| 00:21.49 | JoshBork1 | you'll still have a lesser product |
| 00:21.56 | Industrial | tip: dont have any DRM to begin with |
| 00:22.23 | Tuller | well fine then, they have mp3s :P |
| 00:22.32 | Tuller | though the apple ones are sometimes higher quality |
| 00:22.38 | Industrial | I have a very old Creative Nomad Jukebox 3 |
| 00:22.43 | Industrial | it has a sound card |
| 00:22.48 | Industrial | and a laptop hard disk |
| 00:22.51 | Industrial | so it has 80GB now |
| 00:23.02 | Industrial | and superquality sound |
| 00:23.26 | Industrial | win :D? Ill have mine over an iPod* tbh |
| 00:23.38 | ag` | Hey Tuller Combuctor is pointing to the wrong version of Ace3 |
| 00:23.49 | Industrial | oh also noone would want to steal it cause it looks like a 1998 CD player |
| 00:23.56 | Tuller | combuctor's pointing towards the tag of ace3 :P |
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| 00:25.45 | ag` | If I'm not mistaken it should be branches/Ace3/beta |
| 00:26.01 | ag` | I don't know what's in tags |
| 00:26.37 | Tuller | the alpha :) |
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| 00:27.04 | ag` | I'm confused :P |
| 00:27.17 | ag` | QQ |
| 00:27.25 | ag` | there's a beta dir in branches |
| 00:27.38 | JoshBork1 | and there's an alpha dir in tags |
| 00:27.41 | JoshBork1 | which doesn't chang =P |
| 00:28.05 | ag` | :'( |
| 00:28.14 | JoshBork1 | are you unconfused now? |
| 00:28.46 | Industrial | I saw the weirdest thing today |
| 00:28.57 | JoshBork1 | man with leg hair? |
| 00:28.58 | Orionshock | a mirror? |
| 00:29.13 | Industrial | in an american court the judge/jury agreed to 'unhear' a comment/explanation |
| 00:29.19 | Industrial | how does this work |
| 00:29.23 | ag` | JoshBork1, you don't have leghair? |
| 00:29.28 | Industrial | 'unhearing' |
| 00:29.41 | ag` | Industrial, isn't it the same as when someone says "objection" to a comment |
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| 00:30.33 | JoshBork1 | ag`: no |
| 00:30.37 | Industrial | no thats usually before the guy on the bench talks |
| 00:30.40 | Industrial | this was after |
| 00:30.41 | JoshBork1 | Industrial: they can't literally unhear it |
| 00:30.53 | JoshBork1 | Industrial: they can only "remove it from consideration" when deliberating the case |
| 00:31.17 | Industrial | yea hows that possible, when you look at someone you already have an opinion :P |
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| 00:31.48 | starlon | why it sucks to be on jury duty |
| 00:31.58 | kaiden | ag`, i have to say, i am most pleased with your config panel :) |
| 00:32.08 | kaiden | very easy going and i would say perfect :) |
| 00:32.15 | ag` | kaiden, thank Nargiddley |
| 00:32.17 | Industrial | config panel for what? |
| 00:32.51 | Tuller | I would assume aguf |
| 00:33.29 | Industrial | <- pretty dumb questions today |
| 00:33.29 | Orionshock | & tbh, all the lib is missing is a generic text block and table types |
| 00:34.00 | JoshBork1 | thank me! |
| 00:35.25 | Orionshock | he needs to fix a bunch of things but... in due time |
| 00:36.18 | JoshBork1 | generic text block? |
| 00:36.19 | Orionshock | more aesthetics than braking issues |
| 00:36.19 | JoshBork1 | what's that? |
| 00:36.31 | Xinhuan | a block of text |
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| 00:36.33 | ag` | Industrial, it's the config window using AceGUI (ace3) |
| 00:36.35 | Xinhuan | that isn't a option |
| 00:36.46 | JoshBork1 | what for? |
| 00:36.46 | Xinhuan | its purely that - a block of text - for display/informational purposes |
| 00:36.55 | Xinhuan | to explain something, a disclaimer, etc |
| 00:36.56 | JoshBork1 | like for help? |
| 00:37.03 | Orionshock | ya |
| 00:37.23 | kaiden | ag`, i would love to see that status bar used at the bottom of the config window |
| 00:37.26 | kaiden | instead of creating tooltips |
| 00:37.32 | kaiden | :) |
| 00:37.49 | ag` | It isn't used because tooltips can be multiline or something |
| 00:38.01 | JoshBork1 | that's a good point ag |
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| 00:38.04 | Orionshock | reason i ask for it, in Database addons, the problem is the display of information, if AceGUI had a Generic Text block , and table then it would be complete. |
| 00:38.17 | JoshBork1 | acegui or aceconfiggui? |
| 00:38.33 | kaiden | ag`, but do you ever actually use a multi-line description? |
| 00:38.43 | Xinhuan | i've bugged ck for ages to add a generic block of text to rockconfig, but he diddn't do it |
| 00:39.01 | kaiden | Xinhuan, l2strokehisepeen |
| 00:39.35 | aestil | how to truncate using dogtags? |
| 00:39.42 | ag` | JoshBork1, it's not because I choose not to use it, it's how AceGUI does it atm, it shows tooltips instead of using the bar |
| 00:39.43 | Orionshock | one cannot stroke anothers epeen if the other is not present to stroke said epeen |
| 00:40.21 | JoshBork1 | ag`: you brought up a good point about multi-line |
| 00:41.40 | ag` | JoshBork1, it was what someone else said to me when I asked what the bar was for |
| 00:41.49 | ag` | as it's clearly not in use atm |
| 00:42.01 | JoshBork1 | clearly |
| 00:42.04 | Nargiddley | it used to use the status bar, but the multiline thing was brought up and it changed |
| 00:42.39 | Nargiddley | I'll probably use it for validation failures etc in the future |
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| 00:43.12 | Xinhuan | so how about the block of text thing ;p |
| 00:43.28 | JoshBork1 | no =/ |
| 00:43.37 | JoshBork1 | not as part of a config table |
| 00:43.43 | Xinhuan | why not |
| 00:43.49 | Xinhuan | i see many uses of it |
| 00:43.52 | JoshBork1 | how does that translate to console? |
| 00:44.02 | JoshBork1 | how does it translate to a menu config? |
| 00:44.12 | Xinhuan | imagine a checkbox with a text next to it - without the checkbox - so its just pure text |
| 00:44.46 | Orionshock | Netherwing: Exalted - 225/1000 (22.5%) |
| 00:44.47 | Xinhuan | its for explaining something, or put a big disclaimer, that is always seen without having to mouseover an option |
| 00:45.00 | Xinhuan | to bring up a tooltip |
| 00:45.06 | JoshBork1 | Xinhuan: i understand what it's for, but i don't think it should be part of the spec |
| 00:45.42 | Xinhuan | and why do you think it shouldn't be? |
| 00:45.46 | [AR]Camci | Why does Rupert the Bear wear yellow and black chequered trousers? |
| 00:45.46 | Xinhuan | i see planty of people using it |
| 00:45.58 | Xinhuan | i foresee* plenty of people using it |
| 00:46.04 | CIA-8 | 03nargiddley 07Beta * r56417 10Ace3/AceGUI-3.0/widgets/ (AceGUIWidget-DropDown.lua AceGUIWidget-EditBox.lua): Ace3 - AceGUI: :SetText(nil) sets to "" instead of erroring for Editbox and Dropdown widgets |
| 00:46.57 | Xinhuan | even most windows dialog boxes have "labels" |
| 00:47.02 | Xinhuan | which is just that - pure labels |
| 00:47.09 | JoshBork1 | what about a header? |
| 00:47.22 | Xinhuan | a header is just a 1 to 2 words title |
| 00:47.40 | Xinhuan | i want something that is visible all the time, not something that is only readable when mouseovering on a tooltip |
| 00:47.48 | Orionshock | JoshBork1: as nevcairiel said or someone else ... i'll prolly be a custom widget |
| 00:47.58 | JoshBork1 | i think it should be a custom widget |
| 00:48.02 | Orionshock | just not a default one |
| 00:48.13 | Xinhuan | you haven't provided any reasoning why it shouldn't be default |
| 00:48.19 | Orionshock | and tbh im fine wtih that, as long as it's an available. |
| 00:48.20 | Xinhuan | labels are part and parcel of any GUI |
| 00:48.30 | Orionshock | Xinhuan: you haven't provided any proof to make it one. |
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| 00:49.09 | Xinhuan | look around any config window in any OS |
| 00:49.15 | Xinhuan | plenty of labels |
| 00:49.22 | Xinhuan | its useful |
| 00:49.26 | Xinhuan | to explain stuff |
| 00:49.28 | Orionshock | they have labels, they are everywhere |
| 00:49.48 | Xinhuan | exactly, something used everywhere should be part of default |
| 00:49.54 | Orionshock | Xinhuan: simple definitions / explanations should as always go on tool tips. |
| 00:50.24 | JoshBork1 | Nargiddley: why don't headers split lines? |
| 00:50.26 | Xinhuan | i disagree, if its really simple, you won't even need a tooltip |
| 00:50.31 | Nargiddley | split lines ? |
| 00:50.53 | Orionshock | Nargiddley: as in obey the \n formatting |
| 00:50.54 | JoshBork1 | Nargiddley: if they are too long to fit on a single line they expand outside the size of the dialog |
| 00:50.59 | NightHawkTheSane | well, depends on what the label/description is, very simple ones obviously work fine as labels, but if you need a more lengty description, tooltips are preferrable there. |
| 00:51.01 | JoshBork1 | no, not with \n |
| 00:51.07 | Nargiddley | what headers ? |
| 00:51.26 | Nargiddley | type = 'header' or something else ? |
| 00:51.27 | Xinhuan | hence the option should be available to use labels |
| 00:51.28 | JoshBork1 | erm, type = 'header' |
| 00:51.32 | Xinhuan | type = "label" |
| 00:51.43 | Nargiddley | because its meant to be a header, not a paragraph |
| 00:52.32 | JoshBork1 | >< |
| 00:52.37 | Xinhuan | as an example, a dialog box can have 4 tabs, and you want a "label" paragraph to explain what each tab does |
| 00:53.23 | JoshBork1 | Xinhuan: everyone understand what it is for ;-) |
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| 00:54.09 | Xinhuan | i'm saying it will be used often enough to justify it being in the core, than an optional widget |
| 00:54.23 | Xinhuan | plus a label is even easier to write in code than a checkbox with a bit of text |
| 00:54.36 | Xinhuan | there's no set/get |
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| 00:55.01 | Nargiddley | a label that has to resize to fit its text causes more problems that set/get does |
| 00:56.03 | Xinhuan | with the fontstring:GetHeight(1) extra input argument to retrieve the amount of width/height it will actually use, its not an issue |
| 00:56.18 | Nargiddley | thats not the problem |
| 00:56.33 | JoshBork1 | ooo, ooo, i have an idea! |
| 00:56.38 | Orionshock | it's the dynamic resize of the winow |
| 00:56.54 | JoshBork1 | what if Xinhuan wrote it and then submitted the working code to jira to be voted on? |
| 00:57.09 | Orionshock | lol |
| 00:57.13 | Xinhuan | scroll frame contents resizes by itself doesn't it? |
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| 00:59.09 | NightHawkTheSane | so, not to distract from this riveting conversation, but has anyone figured out of it's worth it to stick it out in azeroth in the 58-60ish range since 2.3? |
| 00:59.31 | Chompers | goto outlands |
| 00:59.35 | kaiden | NightHawkTheSane, stick it out |
| 00:59.38 | kaiden | it's just far too fast now |
| 00:59.43 | Chompers | you still get the exp benefits + outlands quests |
| 00:59.45 | Xinhuan | outlands quest = 9k-11k in hellfire peninsular |
| 00:59.51 | Nargiddley | I diddnt try staying there, but 58-60 was about twice as fast as the few levels before going to outlands |
| 00:59.52 | kaiden | you get so much more xp per quest 50-60 in azeroth than in outlands |
| 00:59.55 | kaiden | Chompers, no you dont |
| 01:00.00 | Chompers | so you can do 58-60 REALLY fast |
| 01:00.01 | Xinhuan | sticking in azeroth = 5k per quest |
| 01:00.25 | Xinhuan | unless they increased the quest exp significantly in patch 2.3 |
| 01:00.26 | kaiden | LOL |
| 01:00.28 | NightHawkTheSane | so, guess i'll stick around in azeroth until i run out of quests i like doing or hit 60 |
| 01:00.34 | kaiden | Xinhuan, they did.. l2read quest notes ;) |
| 01:00.39 | kaiden | azeroth == 14k xp per quest |
| 01:00.42 | kaiden | 55-60 |
| 01:00.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: that was the entire reason i asked, you know. ;) |
| 01:01.02 | Nargiddley | and you upgrade most of your gear doing the hellfire quests so that speeds things up as well |
| 01:02.12 | aestil | nymbia: ping |
| 01:04.04 | Xinhuan | i assumed te increase isn't significant enough ;p |
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| 01:10.27 | aestil | whats the name of the mod to help align stuff in UI? its align right? |
| 01:13.39 | Xion` | yes |
| 01:14.41 | aestil | can't find it on file.wowace.com |
| 01:15.22 | Xion` | it's not "aced" |
| 01:15.32 | Xion` | try wowi |
| 01:15.36 | haste | it's on wowi |
| 01:16.10 | aestil | for some reason i thought it was hosted at wowace |
| 01:17.06 | aestil | ty |
| 01:17.26 | Stanzilla | UIParent_ManageFramePositions() and ShowUIPanel() and HideUIPanel() have been completely reworked to avoid taint issues for 2.3.2. <- is that new? |
| 01:17.57 | NightHawkTheSane | .."If you havn't seen it, it's new to you"? |
| 01:17.59 | NightHawkTheSane | "{ |
| 01:17.59 | Tuller | dylanm, JoshBork1, anyone else using the svn of Combuctor: Have you had any issues with the filter clearing? |
| 01:18.01 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 01:20.03 | sedatedChipmunk | no, but i don't use the filter >8) |
| 01:20.10 | Tuller | bah |
| 01:20.27 | sedatedChipmunk | but i can test it if you know what causes the problem |
| 01:20.28 | Tuller | well, the thing should clear your filters when you switch from say keys to normal |
| 01:20.37 | Tuller | its more of a "is it annoying" :) |
| 01:20.52 | hyperChipmunk | oh |
| 01:20.56 | dylanm | Doesn't it clear them as it is? |
| 01:21.01 | hyperChipmunk | yeah, hm |
| 01:21.08 | hyperChipmunk | i'm doing it now |
| 01:21.21 | hyperChipmunk | and it's not the behavior i would expect |
| 01:21.48 | hyperChipmunk | if i DID use filters, it would be rather annoying >8) |
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| 01:23.44 | Tuller | the question is, what behavior would you expect :) |
| 01:23.50 | Tuller | not clearing? |
| 01:24.01 | Tuller | roller disco? :) |
| 01:24.38 | JoshBork1 | i would expect the filter to be remembered per tab |
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| 01:24.55 | Tuller | fair enough |
| 01:25.08 | JoshBork1 | but not transferred between tabs |
| 01:25.10 | Tuller | I think per tab, but cleared on close |
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| 01:25.44 | JoshBork1 | i agree |
| 01:28.05 | hyperChipmunk | oh, if i were to use it, i'd use the tabs to narrow a search for something, so i'd probably set the filter then switch between tabs |
| 01:28.46 | Tuller | hrm |
| 01:28.58 | Tuller | well the main thing is that the side buttons don't really make sense for keys |
| 01:29.07 | Tuller | but they can in the rare case of multiple trade bags |
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| 01:29.10 | Tuller | or multiple ammo bags |
| 01:29.28 | Tuller | the text and quality searches are more likely to be used for that |
| 01:29.36 | Tuller | though I'd bet most people rarely use the quality search buttons |
| 01:31.51 | JoshBork1 | oh, tuller |
| 01:32.02 | JoshBork1 | i mean keep filter separate per bottom tab |
| 01:32.11 | JoshBork1 | but for the side tabs keep the same filter as the current bottom tab |
| 01:32.30 | Tuller | well I knew that one :) |
| 01:32.40 | Tuller | hrm, I need better terminology |
| 01:32.47 | Tuller | the bottom things are tabs |
| 01:32.51 | Tuller | the side things are side buttons :) |
| 01:33.06 | JoshBork1 | bottom are tabs, sides are classifiers |
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| 01:34.10 | JoshBork1 | uh oh, hickups... |
| 01:34.13 | JoshBork1 | s/k/c/ |
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| 01:37.58 | CIA-8 | 03funkydude * r56418 10LittleWigs/ (35 files in 6 dirs): LittleWigs: work with latest BigWigs |
| 01:39.15 | mort_ | is there any other addon to easily poison your weapons besides poisonfu? |
| 01:40.03 | Tuller | hrm is it haste or industrial that made that one :P |
| 01:40.31 | RogueShadow | poisoner |
| 01:40.32 | haste | oApplication, wowi |
| 01:42.11 | mort | i'm lazy, so i prefer addons in the wowace-repository ;) |
| 01:42.34 | haste | I only update once every third patch, so you can still be lazy |
| 01:42.39 | haste | unless the add-on breaks or so :p |
| 01:42.54 | vhaarr | haste has no reason not to have his addons on wowace, he's just a fucknut trying to make it hard on his users |
| 01:42.55 | haste | you can also fetch it from gcode and use a svn client to update |
| 01:43.03 | mort | and i hate to have old versions running, really bad combination ;) |
| 01:43.06 | haste | vhaarr: like I have users! |
| 01:43.15 | vhaarr | haste: you have me, jeez |
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| 01:43.37 | vhaarr | oMinimap |
| 01:43.37 | vhaarr | hah! |
| 01:43.50 | vhaarr | with local modifications though |
| 01:43.56 | haste | :D |
| 01:44.09 | haste | you'll just use the SVN anyway |
| 01:44.21 | vhaarr | yes shhh |
| 01:44.52 | Diao | i use svn for oglow lol |
| 01:45.11 | Amadeo | I love oGlow |
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| 01:46.06 | Diao | had to modify my local copy to make it glow for every type of item though |
| 01:46.15 | Diao | i like the shiny white and grey >.> |
| 01:46.19 | haste | that looks horrible! |
| 01:46.35 | Diao | :( |
| 01:46.38 | Diao | personal preference |
| 01:46.51 | haste | most people have agreed with me on that one so far :p |
| 01:46.57 | Diao | looks weird to me when some items are shiny and others aren't, since i use skinner for my bags |
| 01:46.58 | haste | at least I made it an easy edit |
| 01:46.58 | Diao | :P |
| 01:47.01 | Diao | yeah |
| 01:47.01 | haste | compared to in the first version |
| 01:47.04 | vhaarr | Diao: Ace it and put it on the SVN, ASAP |
| 01:47.10 | Diao | rofl |
| 01:47.17 | haste | you already have fizzlebag or something |
| 01:47.22 | vhaarr | right |
| 01:47.26 | vhaarr | fizzle |
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| 01:47.32 | haste | the code might want you to break your fingers tho' |
| 01:47.38 | vhaarr | never read it |
| 01:47.46 | haste | think it did a full bank and bag update on every BAG_UPDATE |
| 01:47.48 | vhaarr | or actually I did, hrm |
| 01:48.17 | vhaarr | hm |
| 01:48.32 | theoddone33 | lame ZA run |
| 01:48.34 | vhaarr | it hooks CharacterFrame_OnShow and updates on UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED when the character frame is visible |
| 01:48.54 | theoddone33 | kept having to reset first boss, eventually trash respawned |
| 01:48.54 | vhaarr | (securehook) |
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| 01:53.51 | ag` | " |
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| 01:54.48 | kadrahil | ' |
| 01:55.05 | ag` | ~haste |
| 01:55.06 | purl | a very pervert guy, he always makes porn voices on Ventrilo. |
| 01:55.19 | haste | haha, it's still there :D |
| 01:55.29 | ag` | :O |
| 01:55.40 | Orionshock | ag`: wtb config mode :D |
| 01:56.03 | kadrahil | ^ |
| 01:56.05 | ag` | maybe ;p |
| 01:56.36 | ag` | haste, I'll put it up again if someone deletes it |
| 01:56.45 | haste | ~factinfo haste |
| 01:56.45 | purl | haste -- last modified at Tue Dec 19 14:51:09 2006 by haste!n=haste@host-81-191-131-80.bluecom.no; it has been requested 7 times, last by ag`, 1m 39s ago. |
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| 01:57.24 | khangg | hello |
| 01:57.30 | ag` | ~factinfo vhaarr |
| 01:57.30 | purl | vhaarr -- last modified at Thu Dec 14 00:24:40 2006 by thalie!n=rollo@63.250.141.74; it has been requested 13 times, last by cncfanatics at Wed Jul 18 07:34:35 2007. |
| 01:57.48 | Tuller | oh mouse gestures, why must you not work with firefox 3 |
| 01:58.06 | ag` | wow haste it's one year old at least |
| 01:58.22 | haste | possibly more :p |
| 01:58.36 | ag` | time goes Q_Q by |
| 01:59.18 | Orionshock | ya Ag, config mode or it's totaly FTL |
| 02:00.05 | Orionshock | tho the raid frames look nice |
| 02:00.27 | CIA-8 | 03cwdg * r56419 10BigWigs/Libs/: BigWigs: fix profile, del babble-zone url, when you use LoD local zone name,this libs is not useful. |
| 02:00.36 | ag` | Your mom needs a config mode!:D |
| 02:00.52 | ag` | Anyway it's on the to-do |
| 02:03.43 | kergoth | hmm, the default enchantrix prospect data seems to show the prospect valu from auc as being lower than i'd expect |
| 02:04.40 | Funkeh` | ag`, oo good one! /pat |
| 02:05.05 | ag` | Funkeh`, you mean the your mom joke or? |
| 02:05.16 | Funkeh` | :) |
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| 02:09.01 | ag` | nn |
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| 02:15.33 | CIA-8 | 03funkydude * r56420 10BigWigs/Hyjal/HyjalSummit.lua: BigWigs: Hyjal/HyjalSummit: internal translation of horde and alliance bases |
| 02:25.37 | CIA-8 | 03funkydude * r56421 10/trunk/ (31 files in 6 dirs): .trunk: BigWigs_Externals: Latest BigWigs compatibility |
| 02:29.18 | hyperChipmunk | they take diminshing returns off of frostshock now? |
| 02:30.16 | ulic | what's the advantage of changing to the new LoadInZone for BigWigs? Does LittleWigs need to change in order to function, or will it still work the old way? |
| 02:30.16 | Neebler | yes |
| 02:30.51 | hyperChipmunk | that's cold |
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| 02:33.04 | Orionshock | urg.... manualy copying profiles in ag... |
| 02:33.07 | Orionshock | not fun :( |
| 02:33.22 | Funkeh` | qq |
| 02:33.31 | Orionshock | i did |
| 02:33.38 | Funkeh` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:34.16 | Orionshock | i still feel wronged somehow... |
| 02:35.17 | bigzero | anyone using CowTip or tinytip? |
| 02:35.31 | Orionshock | cowtip |
| 02:36.12 | bigzero | you know how people say tekKompare does not work with that? what do they mean...I use Mirror, but that's pretty much the same thing and it works just fine for me |
| 02:36.37 | Orionshock | cow tip's borders are fked, so it don't play nicely with tek |
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| 02:37.09 | Funkeh` | tinytip ftw |
| 02:37.18 | bigzero | gametooltip ftw imo |
| 02:37.30 | CIA-8 | 03funkydude * r56422 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): .trunk: BigWigs_Externals: bugfix |
| 02:37.43 | Orionshock | i turned em off and use skinner |
| 02:37.57 | Funkeh` | skinner ir so last year |
| 02:38.00 | Funkeh` | is* |
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| 02:38.29 | Orionshock | so is bigwigs, but people still use it for some god awful reason |
| 02:38.29 | Orionshock | :P |
| 02:38.54 | Funkeh` | BigWigs leads the fashion, it doesn't get elft behind |
| 02:44.55 | [AR]Camci | i guess some stranger havent updated tinytip yet? :P |
| 02:45.04 | sag_ich_nicht | cowtip ftw! |
| 02:45.05 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 02:45.22 | [AR]Camci | i use cowtip now |
| 02:45.31 | [AR]Camci | but i liked tinytips look better |
| 02:45.36 | Thrae | Yeah, TinyTip sucks, the author is a lazy ass. |
| 02:45.44 | NightHawkTheSane | s/lazy// |
| 02:45.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 02:45.54 | [AR]Camci | lalw |
| 02:46.02 | [AR]Camci | Thrae? |
| 02:46.09 | [AR]Camci | arent you the author? |
| 02:46.16 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: That would be grammatically incorrect. You fail. |
| 02:46.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: fuck you, i'm cold, headachey and sore. ;) |
| 02:46.32 | Thrae | ~thrae |
| 02:46.33 | purl | i guess thrae is awesome. |
| 02:46.39 | Thrae | ~emulate thrae |
| 02:46.40 | purl | Uh, the next update to TinyTip will be soon! Really! ...When I get around to it. |
| 02:46.45 | NightHawkTheSane | s/a lazy/an/ |
| 02:46.54 | [AR]Camci | UPDATE IT !!!!!!!!! |
| 02:46.58 | [AR]Camci | >_> |
| 02:47.21 | Thrae | !l us maelstrom thrae |
| 02:47.23 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Thrae's last login date is listed as 28 March 2007 on the Armory. [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ypmert ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2ogsgw ]] |
| 02:47.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i guess he told you thrae, better get to work. :) |
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| 03:06.01 | phawx | anyone have issues with ace profit not selling everything when you visit a vendor? |
| 03:07.08 | phawx | it seems to be left clicking, instead of right clicking... |
| 03:07.11 | phawx | to sell |
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| 03:09.19 | phawx | seems like it's been having issues since 2.3 |
| 03:10.09 | Lukian | phawx, use automation or one of the other selling addons :d |
| 03:11.27 | NightHawkTheSane | tekJunkSeller, orwhatever he callsit,works well |
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| 03:16.16 | kenlyric | didn't the unbridled wrath talent used to give a specific percentage per rank? |
| 03:16.25 | CIA-8 | 03kemayo 07Ace3 * r56423 10ag_UnitFrames/ (locales/ag_UnitFrames-enUS.lua modules/portrait/portrait.lua): |
| 03:16.25 | CIA-8 | ag_UnitFrames: |
| 03:16.25 | CIA-8 | -Add 2d and classicon portraits to portrait module. (It's a rip of PitBull's stuff... but I wrote that, so I feel this is fair.) |
| 03:18.07 | Kemayo | I am amused by the fact that I am responsible for portraits in all the ace2/rock/ace3 unitframes that I know of. |
| 03:18.30 | Orionshock | u know what assume means? |
| 03:18.38 | Funkeh` | Then we should kick you since they are all shit |
| 03:19.01 | Orionshock | i support the lynching of Kemayo .... |
| 03:19.04 | Kemayo | Orionshock: Well, I assume that it means you want to give me pie. |
| 03:19.18 | Funkeh` | mm pie |
| 03:19.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i like pi |
| 03:20.29 | Kemayo | All these portraits have followed the general principle of addon development -- they work well enough for me, and thus I do not care to improve them further without specific requests. :P |
| 03:22.26 | Funkeh` | NightHawkTheSane, holy shit, nice start |
| 03:22.48 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 03:23.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i thought it was a good episide |
| 03:23.03 | NightHawkTheSane | episode |
| 03:23.09 | Kemayo | phawx: GarbageFu does the junk-selling (among other things), and still works. |
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| 03:27.11 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm..naturalist or natural shapeshifter while leveling? |
| 03:32.11 | _rane | depends on your spec.. |
| 03:32.46 | _rane | nvm |
| 03:32.55 | _rane | naturalist |
| 03:33.28 | _rane | you won't be changing forms too often as feral |
| 03:33.49 | _rane | and omen of clarity benefits from naturalist |
| 03:34.06 | _rane | as when omen of clarity procs, you'll get faster heal |
| 03:34.45 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm, thats about what i was thinking |
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| 03:41.25 | CIA-8 | 03whitetooth * r56424 10StatLogicLib/StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: |
| 03:41.25 | CIA-8 | StatLogicLib: |
| 03:41.25 | CIA-8 | - Fixed Spell Haste Parsing |
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| 03:47.57 | CIA-8 | 03whitetooth * r56425 10RatingBuster/RatingBuster.lua: |
| 03:47.57 | CIA-8 | RatingBuster: |
| 03:47.57 | CIA-8 | - Fixed Haste Ratings |
| 03:51.20 | haste | :-( |
| 03:52.12 | Gagorian | *rabble rabble* haste ratings *rabble* |
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| 03:52.26 | kenlyric | and even when you do change shape, it'll probably be with enough haste mana. |
| 03:52.42 | NightHawkTheSane | kenlyric: lol |
| 03:52.52 | NightHawkTheSane | er, i mean, lolhaste |
| 03:52.53 | kenlyric | poor |
| 03:52.55 | kenlyric | hal |
| 03:53.10 | kenlyric | His haste rating is decreasing. Dave is very mean. |
| 03:53.32 | kenlyric | daisy, daisy |
| 03:55.54 | haste | lol |
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| 04:05.22 | aestil | after i take 5/5 flurry in enhancment, should i just keep going till i get stormstrike? |
| 04:05.46 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 04:06.39 | NightHawkTheSane | pick up spirit weapons, elemental weapons |
| 04:06.45 | Orionshock | LOL patch 2.5 , Pallys now get a AoE hammer of Justice, 3 year CD |
| 04:07.27 | NightHawkTheSane | then whatever you want to get to the next tier, then either 5/5 weapon mastery or 2/5 that and 3/3 mental quickness, and then stormstrike, dw, dw spec |
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| 04:19.39 | Orionshock | Tekkub: are you still trying to give logic and reason to the masses over this tk vs EQC? |
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| 04:22.46 | Kemayo | Foo'. |
| 04:22.49 | CIA-8 | 03kemayo 07Ace3 * r56426 10ag_UnitFrames/modules/auras/auras.lua: |
| 04:22.49 | CIA-8 | ag_UnitFrames: |
| 04:22.49 | CIA-8 | -auras: change the name of the debuff coloring option so the passed get function will work with it. |
| 04:26.37 | Tekkub | no Orion, just seeing if there's some significant feature in EQC that tK doesn't do |
| 04:26.42 | Tekkub | and not finding it |
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| 04:30.28 | [AR]Camci | A pig's orgasm lasts 30 minutes. - nerf |
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| 04:32.56 | CIA-8 | 03funkydude * r56427 10/trunk/ (56 files in 11 dirs): .trunk: BigWigs_Extrenals: Final phase, new BigWigs compatibility. |
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| 04:37.35 | Orionshock | is that supposed to be Externals? |
| 04:38.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Funkeh`: "BigWigs_Extrenals" extrenals? typo? |
| 04:38.45 | Funkeh` | meh |
| 04:38.53 | CIA-8 | 03darchon * r56428 10StatLogicLib/StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: |
| 04:38.53 | CIA-8 | StatLogicLib: |
| 04:38.53 | CIA-8 | - Disable debug mode |
| 04:40.49 | nico_ | the debug mode in StatLogicLib is reason my RatingBuster shows a lot of messages, right? |
| 04:44.04 | nico_ | sorry for my bad english, but i have a few "No Match:" messages. i use the german client and i think thats not translated stuff, can i do anythink to correct that? |
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| 04:49.11 | Seppidane | mornign |
| 04:50.26 | nico_ | hi |
| 04:51.35 | Kemayo | Orionshock / Funkeh`: Out of curiosity, what were your actual complaints about the portraits? (Or do you just not like portraits at all?) |
| 04:51.49 | Funkeh` | what? |
| 04:52.04 | Orionshock | me i was just poking you in the eye for it cuz it seeemed funny |
| 04:52.19 | Kemayo | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.35 | Funkeh` | you took that seriously? |
| 04:53.05 | Kemayo | Well, I assumed that you had at least a few complaints. I didn't think it was actually to be taken that seriously. :P |
| 04:53.09 | Seppidane | guys, is there a swing timer addon for dual wielding ? the quartz one doesn't work with dual wield :( |
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| 04:55.59 | Funkeh` | gn |
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| 05:11.13 | CIA-8 | 03xyphor * r56429 10PowerDisplay/ (7 files): |
| 05:11.13 | CIA-8 | PowerDisplay |
| 05:11.13 | CIA-8 | - Changed code for future updates. You might have to redo some settigns |
| 05:11.13 | CIA-8 | - Added Spell Damage |
| 05:12.07 | Queequeg | hi, does anyone know if function prototypes are garbage collected? i know that closures are, but couldn't find anything about prototypes |
| 05:13.32 | Orionshock | * |
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| 05:14.05 | CIA-8 | 03andyca * r56430 10StatLogicLib/StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: StatLogicLib: zhTW update |
| 05:14.31 | doL|kamikaze | hello |
| 05:14.35 | doL|kamikaze | i am new to wowace |
| 05:14.43 | doL|kamikaze | anyone want to help me get started? |
| 05:15.27 | Queequeg | hehe, that's like asking "can anyone answer a question?" just ask the question! |
| 05:15.50 | dreamss | if nfuse gets busted will they release their stolen info? |
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| 05:22.10 | CIA-8 | 03andyca * r56431 10StatLogicLib/StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: StatLogicLib: zhTW update |
| 05:22.42 | Lukian | can anyone answer a question? |
| 05:22.50 | Zhinjio | yes |
| 05:22.55 | Lukian | awesome. |
| 05:23.09 | Zhinjio | I specialize in meaningless trivia. |
| 05:23.17 | Lukian | hehe |
| 05:23.46 | Queequeg | lol |
| 05:26.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i can answer questions |
| 05:26.00 | NightHawkTheSane | but i offer no guarantee that my answer will be right |
| 05:26.26 | theoddone33 | would it be possible for a mod to tell you who is in your party raid when you're in a battleground? |
| 05:26.31 | Lukian | What is the meaning of life? |
| 05:26.32 | theoddone33 | your real one, not your xserver bg raid |
| 05:26.42 | NightHawkTheSane | 42 |
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| 05:31.14 | Queequeg | theoddone33, i don't think so, at least not reliably |
| 05:31.23 | theoddone33 | hm :( |
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| 05:33.45 | Queequeg | do you get chat messages "x joined the raid" when someone joins the home-server-raid? |
| 05:34.26 | Orionshock | Queequeg: no |
| 05:38.37 | khangg | anyone have a minimalistic UI they'd like to share with me? :) |
| 05:42.49 | CIA-8 | 03kemayo * r56432 10LibBabble-CreatureType-3.0/ (6 files in 2 dirs): LibBabble-CreatureType-3.0: Initial import, with enUS and zhTW. |
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| 05:43.46 | Tuller | step 1 to make a minimalistic ui: get a high resolution monitor :P |
| 05:44.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Tuller: qft. :) |
| 05:44.07 | JoshBork1 | ok, who's killed hex lord? |
| 05:44.22 | Queequeg | <- |
| 05:44.24 | Tuller | step 2: use paging and other bar features :) |
| 05:44.29 | JoshBorke | do you really need shadow resist damage? |
| 05:44.38 | JoshBorke | shadow resist set? |
| 05:44.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Tuller: pfft. paging sucks. :) |
| 05:44.42 | Queequeg | no |
| 05:44.44 | Kemayo | For real minimalism you need to hide all bars and use a lot of keybinds. |
| 05:44.45 | Ellipsis | step 3: don't take screenshots in combat, or showing bags/bank/any other frames :P |
| 05:44.51 | JoshBorke | is priest sr enough? |
| 05:44.52 | Queequeg | why would you? |
| 05:44.54 | Diao | rofl |
| 05:44.58 | Tuller | NightHawkTheSane: well shift, alt, modifier, and stances :P |
| 05:44.58 | Diao | 1 hour wait to get on our server |
| 05:45.07 | JoshBorke | Queequeg: for his channeled shadow damage? |
| 05:45.15 | Queequeg | ah right |
| 05:45.19 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i only use paging for stances really |
| 05:45.38 | Ellipsis | you don't need paging if you don't use action bars! \o/ |
| 05:45.40 | Queequeg | it's not that bad if you bring a priest for group heal |
| 05:45.45 | JoshBorke | ok, thank |
| 05:46.01 | Queequeg | i resisted a lot just with priest sr |
| 05:49.20 | Xyphor | hmmm I thought the first char in var was var[0] ? |
| 05:49.59 | NightHawkTheSane | arrays are 1 based in lua, i think |
| 05:50.26 | Orionshock | yep |
| 05:50.29 | Xyphor | 1? First language I work with where it starts with 1 :p |
| 05:50.37 | Orionshock | you can specifiy a 0 but ... it makes things cry |
| 05:50.40 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a small number of them. *shrug* |
| 05:51.30 | Ellipsis | VB is 1-based, right NHTS? :P |
| 05:51.40 | NightHawkTheSane | to be honest, i dont remember |
| 05:51.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't use actual arrays all that often |
| 05:51.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ArrayList ftw. |
| 05:52.02 | Ellipsis | eh, it was before .NET at least |
| 05:52.12 | Ellipsis | stupid .NET |
| 05:52.16 | NightHawkTheSane | and, actually... yeah, vb.net is 0-based now that i think about it |
| 05:54.37 | NightHawkTheSane | i wish orange juice tasted good hot |
| 05:54.49 | Ellipsis | o.O |
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| 05:55.13 | NightHawkTheSane | what? I want something hot to drink, but also want orange juice |
| 05:55.45 | Queequeg | juice+hot doesn't compute |
| 05:55.52 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft |
| 05:55.59 | NightHawkTheSane | apple juice tastes great hot |
| 05:56.07 | Xyphor | What is the function "contain" or "startwith"? |
| 05:56.33 | Xyphor | I could have asked that better... |
| 05:56.44 | Queequeg | string.find |
| 05:57.02 | Xyphor | and string.start? |
| 05:57.29 | Queequeg | for startwith use "mystring":find("^my") iirc |
| 05:59.05 | Queequeg | did anyone ever think about using SavedVariables to save localizations, in order to reduce loading time? |
| 06:00.11 | Queequeg | for example BabbleSpell-2.2 takes 70% less time to load if only my locale is loaded |
| 06:01.35 | Queequeg | hm i should probably post that in the forums |
| 06:02.13 | Orionshock | Queequeg: .... that's an obvious conclusion |
| 06:02.24 | Queequeg | what is? |
| 06:02.34 | Orionshock | that's why v3 of babble does a locale check and returns if not the locale of choice |
| 06:03.10 | Orionshock | Queequeg>for example BabbleSpell-2.2 takes 70% less time to load if only my locale is loaded <--- That's obvious :P |
| 06:03.56 | Queequeg | well no it still uses pretty much the same system |
| 06:04.34 | Queequeg | the file containing the translations LibBabble-Spell-3.0.lua still has to be read, compiled and interpreted |
| 06:04.41 | Arrowmaster | savedvars wouldnt be any better since youd still need to read all the data files anyway to get them into savedvars |
| 06:04.54 | Queequeg | ok i should elaborate, sorry |
| 06:05.03 | Arrowmaster | how about no |
| 06:05.25 | Arrowmaster | if your not reading it from data files how else would it get into savedvars |
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| 06:07.14 | Queequeg | my idea is that the addon is split into two addons, say babble and babbleconfig. both are lod. babble has a savedvar babbletranslation. if babble loads, and babbletranslation is nil, then babble loads babbleconfig, which contains all available translations. babble then sets the savedvar as the currently used translation. so the next time babble loads, only the savedvar containing the right translation is loaded |
| 06:07.27 | Queequeg | yup should have been a forum post |
| 06:07.30 | Ellipsis | embedded libs with saved vars = no |
| 06:07.56 | Arrowmaster | yeah that idea wouldnt even work embedded |
| 06:08.01 | Queequeg | well i dont use embedded lib |
| 06:08.03 | Queequeg | s |
| 06:08.05 | Ellipsis | well most people do |
| 06:08.11 | Ellipsis | and it has to work for those people |
| 06:08.16 | Arrowmaster | and how the hell would you update with that idea |
| 06:08.27 | Ellipsis | eh, put a version string in the SVs or something |
| 06:08.46 | Queequeg | yea |
| 06:08.52 | Arrowmaster | still no way to know what version is in the other addon without loading it |
| 06:08.54 | Ellipsis | still, clients which change locales would make it messy and probably no more efficient than the current method |
| 06:09.16 | Queequeg | Arrowmaster, you would always update both addons |
| 06:09.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Is it possible for a client to change locale? |
| 06:09.30 | Arrowmaster | svn doesnt work that way |
| 06:09.31 | Ellipsis | yeah, eu clients can |
| 06:09.38 | NightHawkTheSane | interesting, was not aware. |
| 06:09.46 | Queequeg | yea, acelocale also supports this |
| 06:09.57 | NightHawkTheSane | though i suppose it makes sense, why bother making a build for each locale |
| 06:10.04 | Ellipsis | and there's always the possibility of downloading someone else's WTF dir or whatever and getting SVs for a different locale |
| 06:10.17 | CIA-8 | 03scorpio0920 * r56433 10RatingBuster/RatingBuster-Locale-zhTW.lua: RatingBuster: Update zhTW translation. |
| 06:10.24 | Arrowmaster | yeah you dont put locale dependent data in SV's |
| 06:10.42 | Orionshock | i do :P |
| 06:10.48 | Ellipsis | ... |
| 06:10.49 | Xyphor | NOw I have if text:find("%", 1, true) but I think I interpreted that wrong |
| 06:10.56 | Xyphor | (if function) |
| 06:10.58 | Orionshock | but then again there isn't a better way to do it :( |
| 06:11.17 | Ellipsis | are you sure? |
| 06:11.26 | Queequeg | but switching locales is not really a problem, as in my example babble can always load babbleconfig if the locale changed |
| 06:11.38 | Queequeg | and overwrite the savedvar |
| 06:11.46 | Ellipsis | but babble can't have SVs |
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| 06:11.57 | Orionshock | i would have to introduce a 3rd table linking locale independent data to locale Dependant data... |
| 06:11.59 | Queequeg | i admit that i didnt think about embedding though |
| 06:12.16 | Arrowmaster | and like i said that idea is broken for updating |
| 06:12.24 | Queequeg | Orionshock, table ~= table reference |
| 06:12.24 | NightHawkTheSane | embedded is probably the primary way most users usse mods |
| 06:12.34 | Queequeg | no its not |
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| 06:12.53 | Orionshock | Queequeg: ... libs don't have SV's, end of story :P |
| 06:13.09 | Queequeg | err why? |
| 06:13.13 | Arrowmaster | trust me the idea is 100% broken for updating |
| 06:13.39 | NightHawkTheSane | libs don't have SV's because they;re libraries, not addons. |
| 06:13.40 | Queequeg | libs and lib modules also have tocs, which are never used unless they are disembedded |
| 06:13.53 | Orionshock | because.. that's the current format , and changing it is libel to pull hate from just about every dev out there... |
| 06:14.02 | Queequeg | well libs *are* addons if they are disembedded |
| 06:14.14 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, but you cannot rely on or force users to run disembedded |
| 06:14.25 | Ellipsis | but for 99% of users, libs are embedded, and you HAVE to make them work that way |
| 06:14.29 | Ellipsis | it's a stupid design, but we're stuck with it |
| 06:14.35 | NightHawkTheSane | its not a stupid design |
| 06:14.38 | NightHawkTheSane | it's the way libraries work. |
| 06:14.39 | Ellipsis | don't get me started |
| 06:14.40 | Xyphor | Just to be sure: if ones:find("%", 1, true) then do something end --> if ones' first char is % then ... ? |
| 06:14.45 | Orionshock | and tbh really if you can manage to convince clad of it, then you'll have a better case... |
| 06:15.03 | Queequeg | yea its not stupid, embedded makes it very easy for most ppl |
| 06:15.21 | Arrowmaster | embeds are great |
| 06:15.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Xyphor: you might need to use %%, i think find uses lua patterns, and % is a meta character in lua |
| 06:15.33 | Ellipsis | if they want easy they can get a compilation that already has the libs they need |
| 06:15.41 | Queequeg | Xyphor, no, try text:find("^%%") |
| 06:16.09 | Queequeg | Xyphor, the ^ at the beginning means "start of string" |
| 06:16.12 | Arrowmaster | they keep people from overwriting latest library revisions when they unzip some really really old addon that has really really old library revisions in it |
| 06:16.50 | Ellipsis | addon zips shouldn't contain libs, libs have to be maintained separately and thus should be downloaded separately |
| 06:16.57 | Ellipsis | </imo> |
| 06:17.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Ellipsis: you're wrong, but i don't care to argue more than that. :) |
| 06:17.10 | Arrowmaster | doesnt work that way |
| 06:17.23 | Queequeg | yea thats just wrong ^^ |
| 06:17.42 | Ellipsis | I just think it's horrible to cripple devs with the embedded libs system just because users are too stupid/lazy to find the libs they need |
| 06:17.46 | Xyphor | Queequeg: thanks, got it working now |
| 06:17.52 | Queequeg | unless of course you have an external application that manages dependencies |
| 06:17.53 | Arrowmaster | thats how it used to be, it sucked and thats why most people complained about any mod that had a dependancy |
| 06:18.45 | Ellipsis | I know that Arrowmaster |
| 06:18.58 | Queequeg | Ellipsis, if you want your addon to be used, why would you exclude *both* the stupid and the lazy?? thats like 90% of the user base! |
| 06:18.58 | Ellipsis | and I don't think it was a good idea to cater to the whiners |
| 06:19.02 | Ellipsis | but that's just my opinion |
| 06:19.29 | Ellipsis | Queequeg: eh, I could do without having to support users who can't figure out how to download and extract a zip file |
| 06:19.49 | NightHawkTheSane | I'd hate to live in a world where users were required to download and install every library that any of their applications used. |
| 06:20.16 | Queequeg | you were not talking about one zip file, you were talking users have to go and find all the dependencies by themselves |
| 06:20.34 | CIA-8 | 03xyphor * r56434 10PowerDisplay/ (embeds.xml pdMain.lua pdOptions.lua pdStats.lua pdUpdate.lua): PowerDisplay: Fixed a few newly created bugs |
| 06:20.35 | Ellipsis | most people use updaters anyway, which can easily take care of lib downloading |
| 06:20.48 | Arrowmaster | most of my guild doesnt use an updater |
| 06:20.58 | Queequeg | yea same here |
| 06:21.09 | Ellipsis | Queequeg: you use disembedded libs, do you find it prohibitively difficult to get the libs you need yourself? |
| 06:21.13 | Ellipsis | I sure don't |
| 06:21.19 | Queequeg | most ppl in my guild don't even know there are updaters |
| 06:22.14 | Queequeg | thing is, i only do that because i use an updater that manages dependencies |
| 06:22.27 | Queequeg | (that=disembedding) |
| 06:23.29 | CIA-8 | 03xyphor * r56435 10PowerDisplay/embeds.xml: PowerDisplay: Included wrong embeds.xml by mistake, fix |
| 06:26.43 | Queequeg | Ellipsis, could you elaborate on the "cripple devs" part? how is the system "crippling" anyone? |
| 06:27.24 | Ellipsis | well for one thing, libs can't have SVs, which breaks a lot of designs like the one you're suggesting |
| 06:28.11 | Arrowmaster | well libs can have SV's but just dont expect them to work all the time |
| 06:28.18 | Arrowmaster | or be accurate |
| 06:28.33 | Queequeg | yea i'd change that into libs can't rely on having SVs |
| 06:29.00 | Ellipsis | it also makes authors do a lot more work to get their libs working... svn externals, embeds.xml, tons of toc junk |
| 06:29.04 | Queequeg | but libs know whether they are embedded or not, so.. |
| 06:29.10 | Arrowmaster | if you need either of those then you need to make it a seperate dependancy instead of an embeded lib |
| 06:29.11 | Orionshock | Queequeg: the system was designed in the first place to be embedded, running disembeded was a power user option and not meant for general use. |
| 06:29.16 | Ellipsis | and it breaks tocs in terms of optional dependency and required dependency |
| 06:29.26 | Ellipsis | required libs are marked as OptDeps |
| 06:29.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Ellipsis: so you're okay with devs being too dumb to manage libraries, but not okay with users being too dumb to do it? |
| 06:29.32 | JoshBorke | malacrass to 74% on second pull |
| 06:29.42 | Ellipsis | NightHawkTheSane: it's not about devs being dumb, it's about making work for them which they shouldn't have to do |
| 06:29.49 | NightHawkTheSane | it's not that much work |
| 06:29.56 | NightHawkTheSane | and that's exactly what you're saying |
| 06:30.07 | Queequeg | JoshBorke, the adds ate the squishies, right? |
| 06:30.11 | Ellipsis | it's a lot more difficult than adding Dependencies: LibFoo-1.0 |
| 06:30.11 | NightHawkTheSane | gah |
| 06:30.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i said i didn't want to argue. >< |
| 06:30.30 | JoshBorke | Queequeg: naw, tank died during spirit shards |
| 06:30.32 | Ellipsis | yeah I kinda have to go anyway |
| 06:30.38 | JoshBorke | Queequeg: we had the perfect group for the adds |
| 06:30.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Ellipsis: i have to go TO YOU! |
| 06:30.51 | JoshBorke | Queequeg: adds were Thurg (humanoid), Dragonkin, Demo, Undead |
| 06:30.53 | NightHawkTheSane | er, wait.. |
| 06:30.57 | Ellipsis | kinky |
| 06:31.01 | NightHawkTheSane | you wish |
| 06:31.01 | JoshBorke | Queequeg: we had 2 mages, 1 boomkin, 1 warlock, 2 priests |
| 06:31.04 | Ellipsis | come on over NHTS <3 |
| 06:31.09 | NightHawkTheSane | like i said, you wish. |
| 06:31.13 | Ellipsis | =[ |
| 06:31.15 | Ellipsis | </3 |
| 06:31.27 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 06:31.53 | Arrowmaster | Ellipsis: but the entire thing revolves around either the dev does a little extra work to make it seems like theres no dependancies involved to the users, or most of the users end up having to go out elsewhere and find the dependancy and then in the future complain to the addon dev that his addon is broken and he needs to fix it when the user has updated the addon but not the lib |
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| 06:34.31 | Queequeg | JoshBorke, having the perfect group doesn't mean everything goes according the plan ^^ i don't know, can't remember being on very low HP during the shards (i'm the tank), didnt have resist gear, just motw and priest sr, but i don't assume they stack |
| 06:34.51 | Arrowmaster | they dont |
| 06:34.54 | Ellipsis | Arrowmaster: you say that like the users not knowing about dependencies is a GOOD thing |
| 06:35.00 | JoshBorke | Queequeg: it was spirt bolts + getting warrior aspect right after spirit bolts |
| 06:35.09 | Arrowmaster | Ellipsis: it is |
| 06:35.13 | JoshBorke | i actually just watched the video |
| 06:35.32 | Ellipsis | Arrowmaster: hiding information from users is bad |
| 06:35.41 | Arrowmaster | Ellipsis: its not hiding |
| 06:35.54 | Queequeg | why would you change stance? o.O |
| 06:35.54 | Arrowmaster | its just making the user not have to worry about it |
| 06:35.58 | JoshBorke | tank tooks a 7k hit before spirit bolts then he was dead when spirit bolts ended |
| 06:35.59 | Ellipsis | you hide information about which libs are required, and which are optionally supported |
| 06:36.07 | Queequeg | i c |
| 06:36.13 | Ellipsis | the toc should tell all that info, but it doesn't because of teh embedded libs mess |
| 06:36.17 | JoshBorke | so it was just unluck |
| 06:36.22 | JoshBorke | and priest not spamming pom |
| 06:36.33 | JoshBorke | stupid healer |
| 06:36.56 | Queequeg | ^^ |
| 06:37.13 | Ellipsis | dependencies are meta-info about an addon, the toc is where that meta-info belongs. the embedded system forces authors to practically obfuscate their tocs so that users have to read code to find out dependency information |
| 06:37.13 | JoshBorke | not me =D i'm the spriest pwning everything |
| 06:37.24 | Queequeg | lol |
| 06:37.26 | JoshBorke | 40 GB of video files |
| 06:37.27 | JoshBorke | blah |
| 06:37.33 | Arrowmaster | authors arent forced to optdep anything |
| 06:37.49 | Ellipsis | authors can't ReqDep anything |
| 06:37.54 | Ellipsis | because the lib might be embedded somewhere! |
| 06:38.11 | Arrowmaster | which is why in ace2 you can not put it in either |
| 06:38.14 | JoshBorke | Queequeg: thanks for the tips |
| 06:38.16 | JoshBorke | nn all |
| 06:38.23 | JoshBorke | oh, do the adds change? |
| 06:38.36 | JoshBorke | i know they change on full resets |
| 06:38.41 | JoshBorke | but do they change after soft reset? |
| 06:38.47 | Queequeg | only if the id changes |
| 06:38.50 | Ellipsis | Arrowmaster: you're missing the point. the point is I should know which libs I need for my addons *without* reading code. |
| 06:38.52 | JoshBorke | ok, awesome, thanks |
| 06:39.01 | Queequeg | yw |
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| 06:39.21 | Arrowmaster | Ellipsis: X-Embeds |
| 06:39.31 | Ellipsis | has nothing to do with a lib being required |
| 06:39.36 | Ellipsis | lots of addons embed optional libs |
| 06:40.01 | Arrowmaster | only ones i know if that do that do it with babble |
| 06:40.25 | Ellipsis | LOTS of addons embed optional libs |
| 06:40.33 | nymbia | i know i do! |
| 06:40.34 | Arrowmaster | name one |
| 06:40.47 | Ellipsis | Baggins embeds PT |
| 06:40.55 | Queequeg | whats pt? |
| 06:40.57 | nymbia | quartz embeds waterfall |
| 06:40.58 | Ellipsis | (not picking on anyone, just an example) |
| 06:41.02 | NightHawkTheSane | periodic table |
| 06:41.07 | Queequeg | thx |
| 06:42.04 | Ellipsis | I have like 4 addons that embed PT normally, but I use embedded libs and don't have PT...guess what? they all still work |
| 06:42.14 | Ellipsis | er, I use disembedded libs* |
| 06:42.15 | Ellipsis | >_< |
| 06:42.34 | Queequeg | Ellipsis, you do have a point about dependencies not being marked as hard dependencies, but then again, no one forces you to not change the .toc file if the user disembeds the lib |
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| 06:43.15 | Ellipsis | Queequeg: you can't add missing info back |
| 06:43.25 | Ellipsis | I don't know which libs are required and which aren't without reading the code and sometimes testing it |
| 06:43.34 | Queequeg | and really optional dependencies being embedded is not the fault of the system, but the addon author |
| 06:43.36 | Ellipsis | you expect me to do that every update, and then fix my tocs? |
| 06:44.00 | Queequeg | you can write a script, i know i did |
| 06:44.08 | Arrowmaster | so you're bitching about how everything works when you're using disembeded libs which arent supported at all? |
| 06:44.10 | Ellipsis | scripts can't determine whether libs are required |
| 06:44.24 | Ellipsis | Arrowmaster, disembedded libs aren't supported? |
| 06:44.31 | Orionshock | nope |
| 06:44.31 | Arrowmaster | not really |
| 06:44.32 | Queequeg | yea i change the script by hand |
| 06:44.41 | Orionshock | advanced users / devs only |
| 06:44.49 | Ellipsis | Orionshock: that doesn't mean they're not supported |
| 06:44.59 | Ellipsis | many devs write their code and test mainly against disembedded libs |
| 06:45.13 | Arrowmaster | basicly if you're using disembeds it means you're smart enough to know wtf to do including reading code |
| 06:45.22 | Queequeg | err what exactly does "not supported" mean? |
| 06:45.23 | NightHawkTheSane | it's fairly silly to do absolutely no testing using embedded libs. |
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| 06:45.28 | Orionshock | Ellipsis: for the sake of conversation, don't mix what one would call retail and dev groups |
| 06:45.32 | Ellipsis | NHTS: I said "mainly" |
| 06:45.42 | Arrowmaster | "not supported" means we dont give a fuck about your problems with it |
| 06:45.44 | Ellipsis | Orionshock: mainstream users still suffer. |
| 06:45.50 | Queequeg | xD |
| 06:46.09 | Ellipsis | if tocs actually contained useful dependency information, updaters could properly manage dependencies |
| 06:46.22 | Ellipsis | instead of the total hacks used by WAU etc. |
| 06:46.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Ellipsis: yes, and i'm pointing out that while there's no issue with that (in fact, most dev environments will not build in linked libraries if you don't compile in release mode), but to do no testing in a "release" setup is absurd, and so devs who do that basically just fail, your point is moot. :P |
| 06:46.59 | Arrowmaster | again, disembeds isnt supported even though some updaters do it |
| 06:47.00 | Ellipsis | NHTS: my point didn't rely on that at all |
| 06:47.15 | Ellipsis | my point was that devs inherently support the platform they use to develop |
| 06:47.24 | Ellipsis | because if it doesn't work on their system they don't release it |
| 06:47.45 | NightHawkTheSane | that doesn't mean they need to "officially" support it. |
| 06:47.53 | Arrowmaster | yeah if stuff is broken with disembeds it will get fixed |
| 06:47.55 | Ellipsis | my point doesn't rely on that either |
| 06:48.00 | Arrowmaster | its just not 'officially' supported |
| 06:48.09 | NightHawkTheSane | the fact that it's probably an inherent effect of their dev env is nice for the user, but thats it |
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| 06:48.42 | Queequeg | Ellipsis, i don't really see a problem, it's not like you get an F or sth if you don't develop using the wowace system |
| 06:49.08 | Ellipsis | libs could do a lot more if they weren't limited by having to work both embedded and disembedded |
| 06:49.28 | Arrowmaster | libs dont have to support embedding |
| 06:49.33 | Ellipsis | they can't rely on SVs |
| 06:49.39 | Ellipsis | anyway I really do have to go |
| 06:50.00 | Queequeg | i don't think they could do more, it's just a matter of efficiency |
| 06:50.15 | Queequeg | they could be smaller and faster |
| 06:53.28 | MentalPower | Queequeg: where did you get that name from? DX2? |
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| 06:55.00 | Queequeg | whats dx2? |
| 06:55.40 | MentalPower | Deus Ex 2 |
| 06:55.43 | Queequeg | but no, from moby dick |
| 06:55.52 | Queequeg | ah ok |
| 06:56.21 | Queequeg | its more like dx2 got it from there too =) |
| 06:58.28 | Queequeg | i just liked the character, not the book ^^ |
| 06:58.36 | NightHawkTheSane | goddammit, i misplaced my tv remote >< |
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| 07:05.50 | CIA-8 | 03xyphor * r56437 10PowerDisplay/ (pdOptions.lua pdStats.lua): PowerDisplay: optimization in options |
| 07:07.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Xyphor: what's powerdisplay do? |
| 07:08.49 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:09.14 | Arrowmaster | yeah i think |
| 07:10.06 | Queequeg | Orionshock, is that one of those buff items from ZA? |
| 07:11.09 | Queequeg | well if so, single use, but the buff lasts till you die |
| 07:11.26 | Xyphor | NightHawkTheSane: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/PowerDisplay |
| 07:11.34 | Queequeg | or leave the instance, not sure |
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| 07:15.11 | CIA-8 | 03kemayo * r56438 10SilverDragon/ (Core.lua Defaults.lua Libs/ SilverDragon.toc): |
| 07:15.11 | CIA-8 | SilverDragon: |
| 07:15.11 | CIA-8 | -Massive rewrite; screw memory, I'm using tables for things and saving multiple locs. |
| 07:15.11 | CIA-8 | -(The default-importing won't work yet. I'll fix that.) |
| 07:18.50 | digmouse | em, did anyone see sorren (author of CooldownTimers2) here? |
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| 07:26.18 | Diao | i thought sorren wrote sorrentimers |
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| 07:27.00 | Xyphor | ~seen sorren |
| 07:27.27 | purl | i haven't seen 'sorren', Xyphor |
| 07:27.27 | Xyphor | ok, nvm :p |
| 07:29.16 | digmouse | ya seems also author of cooldowntimers and cooldowntimers2 |
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| 07:32.09 | digmouse | lookin' for him on some locale issues of cdt2 |
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| 07:40.32 | NightHawkTheSane | "Ahh, you seek meaning." "Yes." "Then listen to the music, not the song." |
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| 07:55.41 | Lukian | Cairenn, lol not really needed |
| 07:56.00 | Lukian | although it wouldn't hurt to state one should only download the aceupdater from the official location |
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| 07:58.32 | digmouse | ya that's it |
| 07:59.03 | digmouse | i doubt if their is anyone who do not download WAU from official site |
| 08:02.27 | Lukian | the .net installer gives a sense of security too ^^ |
| 08:05.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ... it shouldn't. :p |
| 08:05.45 | nekoh | is there a simple mod, that _just displays_ 2 extra clickable/usable (and perhaps bindable?) buttons with your equipped trinkets? |
| 08:05.58 | NightHawkTheSane | nekoh: trinketmenu |
| 08:06.12 | nekoh | it has a lot more than what i want :O |
| 08:06.59 | Queequeg | use a macro? |
| 08:07.29 | nekoh | how would it look like ? |
| 08:07.29 | NightHawkTheSane | then yeah, imo, a macro on a couple action buttons. :P |
| 08:07.51 | NightHawkTheSane | "/use 13" or whatever the id for trinket slots are |
| 08:07.57 | nekoh | ah ok |
| 08:08.08 | NightHawkTheSane | read the wowwiki page on macros |
| 08:08.27 | Queequeg | yea 13 and 14 |
| 08:08.35 | Queequeg | #showtooltip |
| 08:08.36 | Queequeg | /use 13 |
| 08:08.40 | Queequeg | #showtooltip |
| 08:08.40 | Queequeg | /use 14 |
| 08:08.42 | nekoh | you can assign macros to created buttons, right? |
| 08:08.50 | nekoh | thatd be great :O |
| 08:09.02 | Queequeg | depends |
| 08:09.25 | Queequeg | but yes you can |
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| 08:09.30 | nekoh | thanks |
| 08:09.52 | Queequeg | you're using an actionbar addon? |
| 08:10.26 | nekoh | not really, im using my own, but it just reuses the default buttons |
| 08:10.33 | Orionshock | nekoh: look into an addon called BindPad, on wowi |
| 08:10.39 | nekoh | ty |
| 08:10.59 | Orionshock | it lets you bind spells / macros / items to arbitrary key binds |
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| 08:14.27 | digmouse | sounds good |
| 08:17.55 | NightHawkTheSane | spellbinder does the same thing, as well |
| 08:19.08 | Queequeg | or bongos2 |
| 08:19.17 | NightHawkTheSane | well, bongos is a fullon action bar mod |
| 08:19.25 | NightHawkTheSane | spellbinder is just bindings, like bindpad |
| 08:19.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Hmm, so maybe someone can answer this question.. if I want to write a print function that just buffers the output until a 'flush' parameter is set to true, and if it is, prints out everything in the buffer, is basic string concatenation the best way to do that, or is there a faster/cheaper way? |
| 08:20.05 | Queequeg | yea, not sure if you have to use the actionbar module to use the bindings part |
| 08:20.14 | NightHawkTheSane | I think you do |
| 08:20.31 | NightHawkTheSane | given that the only UI for bindings is on the action bars, but i could be wrong |
| 08:21.06 | Queequeg | no its no |
| 08:21.07 | Queequeg | not |
| 08:21.28 | Queequeg | the binding UI is invoked by the options module |
| 08:22.03 | NightHawkTheSane | er, yeah, but does it allow you to bind items/macros/spells that ARN'T on its action bars? |
| 08:22.13 | Queequeg | yes |
| 08:22.25 | NightHawkTheSane | wasn't aware ofthat |
| 08:23.19 | Queequeg | but to answer your question, i'd use an array of strings and then strconcat(unpack(array)) |
| 08:24.06 | Queequeg | or strjoin |
| 08:24.34 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.33 | Queequeg | why do you need the table.remove? |
| 08:25.51 | NightHawkTheSane | that probably wouldn't do quite what i want, as i'd want to print the buffer as a single string |
| 08:25.57 | Fisker- | so vhaarr |
| 08:26.07 | Fisker- | if sylvanaar stopped working on WAU who is updating it then? |
| 08:26.08 | Paene | So here's a question I've been meaning to ask, what exactly does "v in pairs(table)" mean? I know it's the break condition for the loop. But what value does it get? |
| 08:26.42 | Queequeg | google lua for loop =) |
| 08:26.53 | Nargiddley | its not the break condition |
| 08:26.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Paene: "for k,v in pairs(table)" basically says, loop through each item in "table", setting k to the key, and v to the value for key k. |
| 08:27.17 | Paene | NightHawkTheSane: Thanks :) |
| 08:27.27 | NightHawkTheSane | also, lua.org/pil |
| 08:27.44 | Paene | I read the pil...hm...maybe I forgot :-/ |
| 08:27.52 | Queequeg | NightHawkTheSane, if flush then local joined = strconcat(unpack(table)) print(joined) end |
| 08:28.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Queequeg: yeah, i saw that, thanks. |
| 08:28.22 | Queequeg | strconcat avoids the creation of temporary lua strings |
| 08:28.33 | Queequeg | concatenation is done in c |
| 08:28.35 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* which is what i wanted to avoid |
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| 08:42.13 | CIA-8 | 03rabbit * r56439 10/trunk/ (147 files in 26 dirs): BigWigs: Revert the LoD changes. |
| 08:44.38 | CIA-8 | 03rabbit * r56440 10LittleWigs/ (35 files in 6 dirs): LittleWigs: Revert the LoD changes. |
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| 08:48.52 | Arrowmaster | why the fuck is there a link to WoWUI on the wowace nav bar |
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| 08:49.54 | Shadowed | I'd assume some people want to be fair |
| 08:50.00 | Shadowed | or some crazy ass reason like that |
| 08:50.55 | Arrowmaster | i find it weird ass im reading the wow forums about the virus problems on WoWUI over the last week |
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| 09:30.26 | CIA-8 | 03hegarol * r56442 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/burningcrusade.en.lua: |
| 09:30.26 | CIA-8 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
| 09:30.26 | CIA-8 | - Missing items added |
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| 09:42.04 | Ozguli | armory seems to be down |
| 09:42.23 | Ozguli | at least practically |
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| 09:57.31 | Ozguli | hmm |
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| 09:58.01 | Ozguli | does anyone know a working way to fix worn out mouse "paws"? |
| 09:58.09 | Ozguli | without buying new ones |
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| 10:02.34 | [dRaCo] | Ozguli: tape |
| 10:02.46 | Ozguli | what kind of? |
| 10:04.22 | [dRaCo] | well, most ppl here use "Tesafilm", but... |
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| 10:05.26 | [dRaCo] | transparent, half an inch wide |
| 10:05.58 | [dRaCo] | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Tesafilm.jpg/800px-Tesafilm.jpg <-- like that ;) |
| 10:06.13 | Varazir[NA] | Hmm how do I set my pet on passiv with macro ? |
| 10:07.44 | Varazir[NA] | tried /petpassive but didn't work |
| 10:08.33 | Ozguli | hmm, will give it a try |
| 10:10.05 | [dRaCo] | Varazir[NA]: it's the right command, must be something else that's wrong |
| 10:11.24 | Varazir[NA] | hmm okay |
| 10:12.07 | Varazir[NA] | I'm using clique and I made one for attack that is working great |
| 10:12.37 | Varazir[NA] | nm it worked :) |
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| 10:21.37 | CIA-8 | 03nebelmond * r56443 10OptiTaunt/ (Locale-deDE.lua Locale-enUS.lua OptiTaunt.lua): |
| 10:21.37 | CIA-8 | OptiTaunt: |
| 10:21.37 | CIA-8 | - replaced wrong paladin spells |
| 10:23.23 | thul | hmm |
| 10:23.48 | thul | as fury, do you have to have like 380 hit rating? :-P |
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| 10:24.25 | CIA-8 | 03scorpio0920 * r56444 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/burningcrusade.tw.lua: |
| 10:24.25 | CIA-8 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
| 10:24.25 | CIA-8 | -Update zhTW translation. |
| 10:27.52 | thul | http://www.theoryspot.com/forums/theory-articles-guides/32361-dw-fury-guide-4th-edition.html ftw. |
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| 10:30.45 | CIA-8 | 03scorpio0920 * r56445 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/ (burningcrusade.en.lua burningcrusade.tw.lua): |
| 10:30.45 | CIA-8 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
| 10:30.45 | CIA-8 | -Fixed typo. |
| 10:31.51 | Fisker- | lulz |
| 10:31.55 | Fisker- | we just won against a premade |
| 10:32.04 | Fisker- | took us an hour but it was worth it :D |
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| 10:37.57 | Chexsum | 750 queue ftl |
| 10:38.08 | Fisker- | http://i17.tinypic.com/85a2xiw.jpg |
| 10:38.08 | Fisker- | :D |
| 10:38.16 | Fisker- | almost half their team left in the end |
| 10:38.36 | Fisker- | turning 2-0 to 2-2 against a premade might be a big inhibitor :P |
| 10:39.17 | Chexsum | bleh thzts not bg9 |
| 10:39.49 | Chexsum | ive been in 2 premades lately that have lost 0-3 |
| 10:40.03 | Chexsum | and i mean 500 resilience premade pugs |
| 10:40.29 | Chexsum | theyve usually got no carrier though when its a loss |
| 10:40.44 | Fisker- | i'd say this was a pretty good setup |
| 10:41.06 | Fisker- | in the beginning they had 3 warlocks |
| 10:41.13 | Fisker- | and a healer more |
| 10:41.28 | Chexsum | they had no hunters though |
| 10:41.38 | Chexsum | hunters and shaman own wsg |
| 10:42.05 | Chexsum | look at how much your shaman done in the game |
| 10:42.28 | Chexsum | they kite mellee and immune ranged uness its hunter |
| 10:43.04 | Chexsum | and a hunter as defense means nothings getting away |
| 10:43.36 | Diao | so uh |
| 10:43.43 | Fisker- | you're not taking this victory away |
| 10:43.47 | Fisker- | i'll shoot you in the head :O |
| 10:43.50 | Chexsum | yes i am |
| 10:43.56 | Diao | our tank in heroic slave pens just got killed cause he got feared into a pack |
| 10:44.07 | Diao | so i swap to my sword and shield in my full dps gear (s3 arena) |
| 10:44.12 | Diao | we kill the fearing mob |
| 10:44.22 | Chexsum | go 3-0 against them or its a random win |
| 10:44.24 | Diao | then the soothsayer mind controls me |
| 10:44.31 | Diao | and i kill our shadowpriest with my 1h weapon in about 3 seconds |
| 10:44.49 | Diao | 2.5k crit with a king's defender.. :\ |
| 10:44.54 | Chexsum | lol |
| 10:45.04 | Chexsum | thats just odd |
| 10:45.14 | Diao | yeah |
| 10:45.19 | Diao | last time i went |
| 10:45.25 | Diao | i had a deep thunder still and some bad gear |
| 10:45.30 | Diao | killed our rogue with a 6.5k white crit |
| 10:45.35 | Chexsum | was he one of those 6k health priests ? |
| 10:45.36 | Diao | after a 3k normal white |
| 10:45.39 | Diao | nope |
| 10:45.41 | Diao | he's got like 8k hp |
| 10:46.19 | Diao | this is like the 5th time i've wiped a group in sp by killing people :( |
| 10:46.30 | Chexsum | well he should be mcing the soothsayers |
| 10:46.36 | Chexsum | its the periests fault as usual |
| 10:46.37 | Diao | you can't |
| 10:46.38 | Diao | they're immune |
| 10:46.40 | Diao | in heroic |
| 10:46.41 | thul | I'm getting DW on my warrior soon :-D lvl 19 now :-P |
| 10:46.49 | Chexsum | no way |
| 10:46.51 | Diao | yep |
| 10:46.57 | Diao | it's the enchantress that can be MCed |
| 10:47.04 | Chexsum | im sure ive done it to those ones |
| 10:47.09 | Chexsum | ok then |
| 10:47.13 | Diao | lol |
| 10:47.24 | Shirik | Antiarc: Are you here? |
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| 10:48.01 | CIA-8 | 03rabbit * r56446 10ClosetGnome/ClosetGnome.lua: ClosetGnome: Bugfix for people using older versions of oGlow (lern2update). |
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| 10:49.30 | Chexsum | 250 queue now :( |
| 10:49.52 | Chexsum | therell be another aussie pvp server soon i bet |
| 10:50.00 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel * r56447 10Bartender3/Button.lua: Bartender3: add combat lockdown check to button dragging so it doesnt produce action blocked messages |
| 10:50.42 | nevcairiel | they'll probably just increase the pop cap |
| 10:51.30 | Chexsum | nah barthilas is bowing up regularly |
| 10:51.35 | Chexsum | blowing |
| 10:51.50 | Chexsum | it crashes a few times each day |
| 10:52.51 | Diao | actually nm Chexsum you're right |
| 10:52.54 | Diao | i think the MC broke |
| 10:52.58 | Diao | and it immediately MCed |
| 10:53.30 | Chexsum | they should make fear ward work for mc also |
| 10:53.56 | Shirik | heh, I love the useless code some compilers put out |
| 10:54.05 | Shirik | Disassembling a file right now and I see this line |
| 10:54.18 | Shirik | je <some address> |
| 10:54.26 | Shirik | It should be pointed out "some address" is the next line of code |
| 10:54.53 | Chexsum | :\ |
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| 10:55.07 | Shirik | In fact, the opcode is 74 00, which means "jump forward 0 bytes" |
| 10:55.13 | Shirik | well |
| 10:55.14 | Chexsum | je = ump is equal ? |
| 10:55.18 | Shirik | "jump forward 0 bytes if equal" |
| 10:55.20 | Shirik | yes |
| 10:55.40 | Chexsum | i done a wevb browser in nasm a few years ago |
| 10:56.08 | Chexsum | first time ive touhed asm since the 8bit erra |
| 10:57.25 | Shirik | I do a lot of work in assembly, though not usually in intel architectures |
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| 10:57.40 | Shirik | and it causes me to laugh at compilers when I see stuff like this :P |
| 10:57.52 | Shirik | omfg |
| 10:57.57 | Shirik | ... |
| 10:58.16 | Chexsum | gcc produces nice code from what ive seen |
| 10:58.22 | Shirik | ok, the code goes jnb <next line>, jne <next line> ret |
| 10:58.25 | Shirik | ..... |
| 10:59.04 | Chexsum | looks like an infinite loop to me |
| 10:59.11 | Shirik | no it just returns :P |
| 10:59.17 | Chexsum | oh |
| 10:59.19 | Shirik | the jnb and je are worthless |
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| 11:00.56 | Chexsum | is it a c compiler ? |
| 11:03.01 | Chexsum | they might just be doing a random nop |
| 11:03.12 | Shirik | but why :P |
| 11:03.22 | Chexsum | bored compiler programmer |
| 11:03.31 | Chexsum | something out of the box |
| 11:04.00 | Nargiddley | my guess would be a couple of conditions with debug statements in them |
| 11:04.44 | Chexsum | or the programmer might like to order operations in a certain way because hes got a mental disorder |
| 11:05.21 | Chexsum | 30 years of asm would do that to a person |
| 11:05.55 | Chexsum | it could even be hiden messages |
| 11:06.05 | Chexsum | for a terorist org |
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| 11:06.38 | Chexsum | id report it to the susupicous activities hotline! |
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| 11:22.27 | Kuja^ | Kemayo: so is a "critter" a creature type xou can find in the game, or? just got no clue how to translate it :D |
| 11:24.11 | nevcairiel | Critter are all those lvl 1 rats/birds/snakes |
| 11:24.15 | Diao | rofl |
| 11:24.19 | Diao | i love the new charge/intercept/intervene |
| 11:24.26 | Diao | ever since 2.3 it's been so much fun |
| 11:24.51 | cladhaire | Orionshock: what case/problem were people talking about? |
| 11:29.10 | Chexsum | time to fight shartuul for the first time - i hope |
| 11:29.53 | CIA-8 | 03kemayo * r56448 10SilverDragon/ (4 files): |
| 11:29.53 | CIA-8 | SilverDragon: |
| 11:29.53 | CIA-8 | -Defaults once more (remove the specialized deDE and zhTW ones, as only the subzones should be off if the enUS one is used). |
| 11:29.53 | CIA-8 | -Add LibBabble-Zone-3.0 to the toc. |
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| 11:32.02 | Kemayo | Kuja^: I believe "critter" is the type for things like random rats. |
| 11:32.15 | Kemayo | Oh, nev beat me to it. Oh well. |
| 11:32.53 | Kemayo | Kuja^: Target a level 1 rat (or whatever) and see what "/print UnitCreatureType('target')" says. |
| 11:33.20 | Kuja^ | ah thanks |
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| 11:35.48 | nico_ | Kuja^: you translate ratingbuster into german, right? |
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| 11:37.06 | CIA-8 | 03belazor * r56449 10GloryLib/Glory-2.0/Glory-2.0.lua: GloryLib: Added kunda's fix for updating AV and EotS battleground scores. |
| 11:38.21 | CIA-8 | 03killermiles * r56450 10TweakHub_RWFilter/ (Options.lua TweakHub_RWFilter-enUS.lua TweakHub_RWFilter.lua): |
| 11:38.21 | CIA-8 | TweakHub_RWFilter: |
| 11:38.21 | CIA-8 | - Fixed some dry coding errors from the last udate |
| 11:38.21 | CIA-8 | - Filtering raid warnings by player name no longer requires warnings to be redirected to SCT. |
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| 11:47.37 | Orionshock | cladhaire: |
| 11:47.42 | cladhaire | hai |
| 11:47.45 | sb | mhmhm |
| 11:47.51 | cladhaire | sorry didn't have much time to skim through the conversation |
| 11:47.57 | cladhaire | but i'm interested in whatever it was |
| 11:48.00 | sb | how to change my primary bar (shift-up/shift-mousewheel up) with bartender? |
| 11:48.02 | sb | doesnt work anymore :/ |
| 11:48.07 | CIA-8 | 03killermiles * r56451 10TweakHub_Reputation/TweakHub_Reputation.lua: |
| 11:48.07 | CIA-8 | TweakHub_Reputation: |
| 11:48.07 | CIA-8 | - Fixed error when gaining faction rep for the first time if the faction was not previously known. |
| 11:48.27 | Orionshock | cladhaire: the jist, something to the effect of changing babble to use SV's to save locales, and the classic argument that Libs don't have SV's but can because they are disembedable.. |
| 11:48.55 | Orionshock | and i told the guy that if he could convince you that libs should be allowed to have SV's that the rest might just follow along... |
| 11:49.16 | cladhaire | I've fought for that, but its not something you'll see |
| 11:49.24 | cladhaire | ckknight already hacks CVars to save his, which is.. horrid |
| 11:49.30 | cladhaire | and RegisterForSave was removed for a number of reasons |
| 11:49.39 | Orionshock | i saw that too, thought it was a hack too |
| 11:49.43 | cladhaire | its horrible |
| 11:49.47 | cladhaire | but you could write it in the library anyways |
| 11:49.48 | cladhaire | consider this |
| 11:49.55 | Orionshock | it's brilliant but a hack noless |
| 11:50.04 | cladhaire | "brilliant" i disagree with |
| 11:50.09 | cladhaire | since it potentially conflicts with everyone |
| 11:50.14 | cladhaire | and is hardly original, its been done before :P |
| 11:50.17 | cladhaire | but that's neither here nor there. |
| 11:50.21 | cladhaire | user has to include the files, set the externals possible, and put them in the .toc |
| 11:50.32 | cladhaire | why can't you require them to set another SV in there, and use it in a constructor to babble |
| 11:50.36 | cladhaire | or something similar |
| 11:50.41 | cladhaire | sure, not ideal |
| 11:51.00 | Orionshock | ya ... glory does this |
| 11:51.04 | cladhaire | why does babble need to save locales? |
| 11:51.21 | Orionshock | because saving your locale data to SV makes it load faster... |
| 11:51.24 | Queequeg | to optimize load time |
| 11:51.38 | Queequeg | the basic reason for disembedding libs |
| 11:51.49 | Orionshock | perposed babble be split in 2, one to keep the data and another used for upgrading ect |
| 11:52.15 | Orionshock | but the idea is all wacked because libs under the current system cannot have SV's that are REQUIRED for functionality |
| 11:52.22 | cladhaire | how about get rid of Babble |
| 11:52.25 | cladhaire | like I said a year ago when it came out |
| 11:52.32 | Orionshock | well... |
| 11:52.38 | Orionshock | -.- |
| 11:52.39 | cladhaire | and come up with a reasonable localisation system that's centralized, and allows the dev to ONLY get what they want |
| 11:52.47 | cladhaire | its a broken system |
| 11:53.00 | cladhaire | if i only need two spells, i should be able to get them without the whole damn spell library in five languagues |
| 11:53.05 | Orionshock | it's a grate idea for single mods that only require a few strings but... i got 200 ace'ed addons.... do i need to localize "Enabled" 100 times? |
| 11:53.48 | Kemayo | Plus, something like BabbleZone -- if you're writing an addon where you need one localized zone, odds are you're going to need more of them. |
| 11:53.53 | Orionshock | cladhaire: imho - it'd be better if the distribution method took care of locales, IE: compile zips on a per locale bassiss |
| 11:53.58 | cladhaire | Orionshock: ... |
| 11:54.08 | cladhaire | or the dev could be responsible fo rit |
| 11:54.11 | Orionshock | ya my exact response to that idea... |
| 11:54.14 | Queequeg | cladhaire, thats exactly my point, im not interested in chinese translations and never will be, but still everytime i /rl all the chinese spell names are at least loaded |
| 11:54.15 | cladhaire | you're not having a broad enough vision |
| 11:54.20 | cladhaire | Yes |
| 11:54.22 | cladhaire | here's what I proopse |
| 11:54.23 | cladhaire | and have |
| 11:54.31 | cladhaire | a centralized web/svn/whatever localization system |
| 11:54.36 | cladhaire | like Auctioneer/Babylonian has |
| 11:54.38 | cladhaire | it works perfectly |
| 11:54.46 | Orionshock | true.. |
| 11:54.48 | cladhaire | and they are able to generate a localization file specifically tailored to their addons |
| 11:54.55 | cladhaire | ONLY the languaegs they want ONLY the strings they want |
| 11:54.56 | silentium | I'd also love my WAU to not download new addon versions if only a taiwanese string has been changed |
| 11:55.00 | cladhaire | the localizers do the translation |
| 11:55.02 | cladhaire | the dev updates things |
| 11:55.04 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel 07Beta * r56452 10Ace3/AceConfig-3.0/AceConfigCmd-3.0/AceConfigCmd-3.0.lua: |
| 11:55.04 | CIA-8 | Ace3 - AceConfigCmd: |
| 11:55.04 | CIA-8 | - fix a bug with registering chat commands |
| 11:55.16 | cladhaire | silentium: thats a distribution issue that' ive been fighting for _2_ year |
| 11:55.20 | cladhaire | and why i left the ace svn |
| 11:55.26 | cladhaire | i should be able to make the decision when a new file is pushed |
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| 11:55.36 | cladhaire | not some bullshit system that forces things out under the guise of "oh its beta" |
| 11:55.38 | cladhaire | beta my ass :-) |
| 11:55.49 | Shirik | 14(0611:5411:5114) 14(1115CIA-814) 03nevcairiel 07Beta |
| 11:55.50 | Queequeg | lol |
| 11:55.55 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 11:56.01 | Orionshock | cladhaire: have you seen my idea about how the files site / WAU should be changed to? |
| 11:56.10 | nevcairiel | hey what,we label our stuff as beta |
| 11:56.18 | cladhaire | Orionshock: nope, and frankly don't have time to look for it, but if you want to summarize go nuts. |
| 11:56.23 | Shirik | it was just kinda like perfect timing :P |
| 11:56.29 | cladhaire | unfortuantley i'm knee-deep in getting the entire API documented for the new book |
| 11:56.32 | cladhaire | and.. yeah |
| 11:57.01 | cladhaire | Hacking around the problem with some half-asses solution that happens to "work" in wow for a given situation seems quite silly to me |
| 11:57.06 | cladhaire | when there are real alternatives |
| 11:57.27 | Orionshock | change the site to where authors register an Addon, provide a SVN path for *BETA* & release versions, as well as an optional Zip file that remains for the most part static, the script then does what it always has, checks out with and with out externals & post to the files site. |
| 11:57.46 | cladhaire | nope, i disagre |
| 11:57.50 | cladhaire | the externals system you guys use is flawed |
| 11:57.51 | Orionshock | that way authors could, as you and many others have, move over to googlecode and have COMPLETE control over their code |
| 11:57.53 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 11:58.02 | cladhaire | I don't like automatic anything |
| 11:58.03 | cladhaire | its a bad system |
| 11:58.27 | Orionshock | well, you could point at the tag'ed versions of things |
| 11:58.35 | nevcairiel | just an system that gives the author a button with "zip my svn up now" |
| 11:58.38 | Orionshock | you can have cross repository externals |
| 11:58.40 | cladhaire | i have a better system |
| 11:58.43 | cladhaire | and its already working and implemented |
| 11:58.48 | cladhaire | hopefully others can enjoy it soon |
| 11:58.48 | CIA-8 | 03kuja * r56453 10LibBabble-CreatureType-3.0/ (. LibBabble-CreatureType-3.0.lua): LibBabble-CreatureType-3.0: add deDE |
| 11:59.09 | Arrowmaster | should use a RCS that has real tags and not the silly extra directory to 'copy' stuff over to that SVN has |
| 11:59.10 | Orionshock | nevcairiel: ... & it's different from just putting stuff on the WoWAceSVN?? |
| 11:59.25 | nevcairiel | Orionshock: it doesnt get zipped automagically |
| 11:59.30 | cladhaire | automatic == bad |
| 11:59.37 | cladhaire | the sooner you guys realize this the better :P |
| 11:59.44 | cladhaire | I promise |
| 11:59.50 | Orionshock | nevcairiel: time frame interval is negotiable as always, it could be on a 12hr rotation for all i care |
| 11:59.58 | Arrowmaster | although for some things babble is great because you do need every zone or spell name |
| 12:00.04 | cladhaire | the developer should have 100% control over what versinos of libraries they are using (Ace3 is using a tagging system for this, so you use a STABLE tagged versino, and upgrade as you decide to do) |
| 12:00.05 | nevcairiel | maybe i am working on some big changes |
| 12:00.13 | nevcairiel | and dont want zips for the time being |
| 12:00.15 | cladhaire | Arrowmaster: indeed, I agree it has its place |
| 12:00.19 | cladhaire | but that's possible in my system as well |
| 12:00.23 | Orionshock | where the release path is meant for updates to the addon as a whole, and beta is just that... beta |
| 12:00.35 | cladhaire | or |
| 12:00.38 | cladhaire | you can have everythign in trukn |
| 12:00.40 | cladhaire | branches as you want |
| 12:00.42 | cladhaire | tags as you desire |
| 12:00.52 | cladhaire | and you can click the "zip to dev version" button whenever you want to push a new dev version |
| 12:01.09 | Arrowmaster | use a rcs with real tags imho |
| 12:01.34 | cladhaire | yeah, that's clearly the solution </sarcasm> |
| 12:01.42 | Orionshock | cladhaire: i think our ideas are the same if not similar, im just not familiar with all the terms... |
| 12:01.49 | cladhaire | regardless of whether svn has real or bad tags.. that's NOT the issue at hand |
| 12:01.58 | cladhaire | complaining about the RCS just masks the real problems. |
| 12:01.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know |
| 12:02.05 | cladhaire | sure, there are better scms |
| 12:02.22 | cladhaire | but subversion has lots of positive attributes as well, asn more important, its whats currently being used. |
| 12:03.32 | Orionshock | nevcairiel: with my idea you can do that, you provide a release path, prolly to a tag or a "release" folder on the svn, and a beta path for ppl that "beta" test to grab... the release path will be pushed out to mindless idiots over WAU |
| 12:03.50 | cladhaire | meh |
| 12:03.56 | cladhaire | its still automatic |
| 12:04.01 | cladhaire | in the sense that you're not actively making it |
| 12:04.02 | cladhaire | and able to verify |
| 12:04.06 | cladhaire | the process should be: click to zip |
| 12:04.10 | Orionshock | you set what externals you want, either the ones on the /trunk here on wowace or in /tags |
| 12:04.10 | cladhaire | verify zip and package |
| 12:04.13 | cladhaire | confirm |
| 12:04.38 | Orionshock | you still choose what version of the lib you want to use with that addon. |
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| 12:05.01 | Orionshock | & hell - add in cladhaire idea about push to update... why not... |
| 12:05.39 | Orionshock | but my main point is to change the 20min Magic of SVN -> Files ~> WAU & the masses |
| 12:06.01 | cladhaire | aye |
| 12:06.03 | cladhaire | same overall concept |
| 12:06.03 | Diao | ... |
| 12:06.09 | Diao | blizzard really really likes to mess with me |
| 12:06.11 | cladhaire | but i like nevcairiel and my process better :P |
| 12:06.14 | Orionshock | there is SO MUCH Crap on the SVN that it NEED to be removed |
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| 12:07.04 | Orionshock | ... well your ideas are pre-SVN proccess, mine is post-SVN procces & into the hands of the masses |
| 12:07.44 | Orionshock | oh & add in a sanity check, every 6 months you have to touch your addon |
| 12:07.55 | Orionshock | as a statement that it's still maintained |
| 12:08.04 | Orionshock | or it's removed from the list :P |
| 12:08.14 | cladhaire | sounds like a nightmare |
| 12:08.23 | cladhaire | mine fits exactly with how most people develop |
| 12:08.31 | Orionshock | well it could be as simple as loging into the site and clicking "im Still alive" |
| 12:08.34 | Arrowmaster | wau has a column or something that shows last updated for an addon right? |
| 12:09.24 | Orionshock | yes Arrowmaster |
| 12:09.29 | Orionshock | "Last Changed" |
| 12:09.45 | Arrowmaster | is that based on the time the zip was made? |
| 12:09.55 | Orionshock | i think |
| 12:10.14 | Arrowmaster | if it is then thats bad |
| 12:10.47 | nevcairiel | thats bad because of the way externals work |
| 12:11.32 | Mech0z | anyone know a cooldown mod where you can filter which enemy cds you wanna track? |
| 12:11.35 | Arrowmaster | yeah, making it show up as updated in WAU just because an external got updated is really bad for abandoned stuff |
| 12:12.03 | cladhaire | yep |
| 12:12.22 | cladhaire | and bad for people who's stuff got updated without them wanting it to be |
| 12:13.24 | Arrowmaster | i actually have some fear over what would happen if externals didnt get automaticly updated for all addons though |
| 12:13.35 | Arrowmaster | because there are lib upgrade issues |
| 12:14.00 | Arrowmaster | or just plain lib conflict issues *cough*librock*cough* |
| 12:14.03 | nevcairiel | there shouldnt be if the lib devs just l2code :P |
| 12:14.18 | nevcairiel | if you need to break something, up major |
| 12:14.23 | nevcairiel | problem solved |
| 12:15.09 | nevcairiel | if you manage to break upgrade path, your own fault, maybe devs will be smarter and not use your libs anymore |
| 12:15.25 | Arrowmaster | pff glorylib had an upgrade conflict for a long time |
| 12:15.42 | nevcairiel | glory has been a mess for so long |
| 12:15.51 | nevcairiel | memory leaks, performance leaks |
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| 12:16.21 | Orionshock | cladhaire: we are in agreement there, the more control that can be put into the hands of the author to fuck up, the better. |
| 12:16.34 | cladhaire | DING DING DING DING |
| 12:16.39 | cladhaire | well specify |
| 12:16.41 | cladhaire | the author of the addon |
| 12:16.46 | cladhaire | not arbitrary library author X |
| 12:16.56 | cladhaire | every system has problems |
| 12:16.58 | cladhaire | but not this problem :P |
| 12:17.00 | nevcairiel | full control to the author of the addons, backend support through svn infrastructure |
| 12:17.51 | nevcairiel | no automatic anything, well, i would be fine with a kinda "nightly" build on all addons, but clearly marked as such, and not available from any updater |
| 12:18.07 | cladhaire | yep |
| 12:18.13 | Orionshock | let them set their beta and release paths, and then let the files script (personally clicked over or auto magic) compile scripts from there. |
| 12:18.41 | Orionshock | let the author figure out their externals to beta libs or tags... ... i think we're all saying the same thing now... |
| 12:19.02 | nevcairiel | any addon that claims to be stable should use tag librarys imho |
| 12:19.28 | Orionshock | ah, but let the author shoot himself in the foot, let's not do it for him |
| 12:19.29 | cladhaire | ah such idealists we are |
| 12:19.37 | Orionshock | lol |
| 12:19.43 | nevcairiel | heh |
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| 12:21.09 | nevcairiel | the problem really is, that a high percentage of authors just doesnt care |
| 12:23.30 | cladhaire | anyone have a client with multiple language packs? |
| 12:23.40 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 12:23.44 | nevcairiel | i have enGB and deDE |
| 12:23.55 | nevcairiel | but you really have to convince me to launch it in deDE :P |
| 12:23.59 | cladhaire | can you /dump GetExistingLocales() |
| 12:24.01 | cladhaire | that's it :P |
| 12:24.13 | nevcairiel | i can do that |
| 12:24.16 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 12:25.19 | nevcairiel | "deDE", "enGB" |
| 12:25.32 | cladhaire | hawt |
| 12:25.34 | cladhaire | thx |
| 12:25.55 | Orionshock | ... this might sound obvious, was there a Buff2Chat mod? |
| 12:26.42 | Orionshock | or an Aura to chat |
| 12:26.50 | Diao | i believe so |
| 12:28.25 | Orionshock | there is, it's called (unimaginably) AuraToChat |
| 12:28.54 | Diao | lol |
| 12:31.58 | Orionshock | by vhaarr no less, |
| 12:33.10 | vhaarr | yeah it's nothing special |
| 12:33.22 | vhaarr | I just made it as an excuse to generate a sequence of colors automatically |
| 12:33.45 | Diao | lmao |
| 12:34.31 | Orionshock | vhaarr: does it work with taunt or just personal buffs? |
| 12:35.27 | vhaarr | it works with SpecialEvents_UnitBuffGained and SpecialEvents_UnitDebuffGained |
| 12:35.38 | vhaarr | which I guess means all available unit IDs |
| 12:38.06 | Orionshock | oh wow... that like totaly looks bad.... |
| 12:38.11 | Orionshock | :| |
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| 12:40.41 | Orionshock | oh wow... that libs looks so screwed... but it's one of tek's libs... as such there was prolly no better way to do it... |
| 12:41.51 | Elkano | you mean SEE? well that lib has quite some time on its back so maybe it should be rewritten from scratch |
| 12:44.00 | Orionshock | ya SEE_Aura |
| 12:44.14 | vhaarr | it's fine |
| 12:44.15 | Queequeg | it really should, it looks so stupid that every time some random rogue in the raid gains Mungoose, all his buffs are scanned even though no one cares |
| 12:45.01 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:45.42 | Orionshock | hopefuly blizzard pulls their collective head out of their ass about their API... some of it so so backwards |
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| 12:57.13 | Queequeg | why is my addon lod when it's loadmanager is disabled? T_T |
| 12:58.09 | Queequeg | is this the way it should be? |
| 12:58.29 | Queequeg | its* |
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| 13:10.16 | Queequeg | sylvanaar, you probably know this: why is my addon lod even though it's loadmanager is disabled? |
| 13:10.33 | Queequeg | looks like a bug to me |
| 13:11.03 | sylvanaar | was the loadmanager enabled when you started wow |
| 13:11.09 | sylvanaar | if so - thats wy |
| 13:11.32 | sylvanaar | you have to exit wow and restart it |
| 13:11.48 | Queequeg | -.- |
| 13:11.49 | Queequeg | ok thx |
| 13:12.34 | sylvanaar | the implementation is really bad, and they didnt seem willing to fix it |
| 13:13.00 | Queequeg | Slouken: By the way, there are no plans to add additional load manager functionality. What you see is what you get. :) |
| 13:14.51 | sylvanaar | it had potential - now its only somewhat useful |
| 13:16.14 | Orionshock | i don't think blizzard expected us to happen to them with their addons... |
| 13:16.56 | sylvanaar | well, ppl were so hostile to my suggestions on the subject when i posted there |
| 13:17.19 | CIA-8 | 03ammo 07Ace3 * r56454 10ag_UnitFrames/ (18 files in 17 dirs): |
| 13:17.19 | CIA-8 | ag_UnitFrames: |
| 13:17.19 | CIA-8 | - Use AceAddon-3.0's :IsEnabled instead of a homebrew solution |
| 13:17.19 | CIA-8 | - Add color at aggro options, to color healthbars 'Red' when the unit has aggro. Config options on a per unittype basis. |
| 13:17.19 | CIA-8 | - todo: make that color configurable. |
| 13:17.32 | sylvanaar | esp. Iriel for some reason |
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| 13:19.19 | CIA-8 | 03scorpio0920 * r56455 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/burningcrusade.tw.lua: |
| 13:19.19 | CIA-8 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
| 13:19.19 | CIA-8 | -Update zhTW translation. |
| 13:23.08 | Queequeg | sylvanaar, i was just reading your posts in http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102909678&pageNo=2, what did you mean with on-demand-loadability? |
| 13:23.17 | Queequeg | mean by* |
| 13:23.27 | sylvanaar | no need for reload-ui |
| 13:24.40 | sylvanaar | prat works like this now, if you didnt load it at startup, you can load it anytime without reload ui |
| 13:25.15 | sylvanaar | * if you have disembedded ace2 |
| 13:25.43 | Queequeg | is that possible without using two addons? |
| 13:25.55 | sylvanaar | that was what i was asking for |
| 13:26.03 | Queequeg | i see |
| 13:26.03 | sylvanaar | so no |
| 13:27.06 | sylvanaar | basically i was asking for an addon to be LOD, but if it was enabled, the client should load it normally |
| 13:27.50 | Gnarfoz | this topic seems to have gone on for at least half a year, now :D |
| 13:27.59 | sylvanaar | no, its ovel |
| 13:28.01 | sylvanaar | over |
| 13:28.15 | sylvanaar | we are talking about the past |
| 13:29.35 | Queequeg | an alternative would be that you could load every addon after enabling it w/o a /rl |
| 13:29.47 | sylvanaar | thats the same thing |
| 13:31.15 | Orionshock | i don't think blizzard expected us to happen to them with their addons... meaning the whole deal with the Libs, and LoD ness and all that jazz |
| 13:31.27 | Orionshock | they prolly just didn't expect programmers to come along and make stuff up. |
| 13:32.08 | Queequeg | well they design the API for their own needs in the first place |
| 13:32.40 | Queequeg | they don't have a way to enable/disable addons in the default UI |
| 13:33.00 | sylvanaar | well /script EnableAddOn("Foo") |
| 13:33.07 | sylvanaar | fancy |
| 13:33.59 | sylvanaar | its chicken and egg |
| 13:35.20 | Tornhoof | hmm anyone happen to have an idea which event could be triggered when some non dmg cast is redirected to the grounding totem of a shaman and destroys it? |
| 13:35.40 | sylvanaar | wait for 2.4 maybe |
| 13:35.53 | Tornhoof | yeh |
| 13:36.30 | sylvanaar | 2.4 will be nice for prat - to not have all the combatlog crap going through the chatframes (assuming it isnt) |
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| 13:39.12 | sylvanaar | come to think of it - it probably still will |
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| 13:39.47 | baer_ | moin. |
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| 14:14.06 | vrak | hmm |
| 14:14.09 | vrak | !rating 1361 |
| 14:14.10 | Xinhuan | 1361 rating gives 313(5s), 275(3s) and 238(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 14:16.52 | mort | !points 417 |
| 14:17.05 | mort | meh |
| 14:18.02 | Fisker- | !points 1200 |
| 14:18.03 | Xinhuan | 1200 arena points require 2125(5s), 2337(3s) and INF(2s) team rating. |
| 14:18.14 | Fisker- | !rating 2500 |
| 14:18.15 | Xinhuan | 2500 rating gives 1432(5s), 1260(3s) and 1088(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 14:18.29 | Fisker- | !points NaN |
| 14:18.30 | Xinhuan | NaN is not a number, idiot. |
| 14:18.37 | Fisker- | orly? |
| 14:19.22 | Megalon | !points overniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinethousand |
| 14:19.22 | Xinhuan | overniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinethousand is not a number, idiot. |
| 14:19.25 | Megalon | :< |
| 14:22.02 | sylvanaar | !points -1 |
| 14:22.03 | Xinhuan | You cannot get less than 0 arena points per week. |
| 14:22.28 | Krapht | !rating 0 |
| 14:22.28 | sylvanaar | !points .000000000000000000001 |
| 14:22.28 | Xinhuan | 0 rating gives 14(5s), 12(3s) and 10(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 14:23.26 | baer_ | !points 1501 |
| 14:23.28 | Xinhuan | 1501 arena points require 3017(5s), INF(3s) and INF(2s) team rating. |
| 14:23.32 | sylvanaar | !points 10e100 |
| 14:23.33 | Xinhuan | 10e100 is not a number, idiot. |
| 14:23.36 | sylvanaar | lies |
| 14:23.49 | baer_ | INF(3s) & INF(2s) ? oO |
| 14:24.04 | baer_ | i need to find 2v2 and 3v3 teams, damnit!! |
| 14:24.24 | sylvanaar | how do you write 10e100, did i do it wrong |
| 14:24.29 | sylvanaar | 10E+100? |
| 14:26.22 | sylvanaar | ah yes |
| 14:26.30 | sylvanaar | !points 10E+100 |
| 14:26.30 | Xinhuan | 10E+100 is not a number, idiot. |
| 14:26.34 | sylvanaar | bug |
| 14:28.22 | nevcairiel | !points 10e2 |
| 14:28.23 | Xinhuan | 10e2 is not a number, idiot. |
| 14:28.41 | sylvanaar | !points 10E+002 |
| 14:28.42 | Xinhuan | 10E+002 is not a number, idiot. |
| 14:29.27 | sylvanaar | im really bored today looks like |
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| 14:43.31 | cladhaire | !rating 1470 |
| 14:43.32 | Xinhuan | 1470 rating gives 337(5s), 296(3s) and 256(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
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| 14:50.10 | Queequeg | bye |
| 14:58.12 | Xyphor | Ping request could not find host files.wowace.com. |
| 14:58.16 | Xyphor | uh? |
| 14:58.24 | Fisker- | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shandris&n=Sulgyf <-gm :P |
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| 15:05.07 | Megalon | pretty untalented one! |
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| 15:06.04 | SMELTN | good morning |
| 15:06.20 | SMELTN | anyone know of a mod like Advanced Trade Skill Window? |
| 15:06.29 | Ellipsis | Skillet is pretty similar |
| 15:06.34 | SMELTN | found here : http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/2389/ |
| 15:06.47 | SMELTN | ace mod I take it Ellipsis? |
| 15:06.57 | Ellipsis | yeah |
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| 15:09.38 | Srosh | lua>79*.3 |
| 15:09.39 | lua_bot | Srosh: 23.7 |
| 15:12.28 | SMELTN | wow thanks Ellipsis. Looks almost identical to ATSW |
| 15:12.36 | CIA-8 | 03joshborke 07Ace3 * r56457 10RaidCast/ (RaidCast.lua RaidCast.toc lib/ locales/RaidCast-enUS.lua): RaidCast: erm, stuff done |
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| 15:47.15 | CIA-8 | 03scorpio0920 * r56460 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/burningcrusade.tw.lua: |
| 15:47.15 | CIA-8 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
| 15:47.15 | CIA-8 | -Update zhTW translation. |
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| 15:57.35 | CIA-8 | 03joshborke 07Ace3 * r56461 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_Options.lua: ag_UnitFrames: changed HideRaid to RaidHideParty and made it set options (might work now) |
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| 15:58.51 | Provus | Rggh. Does anyone know where on earth I can edit the individual strata level of Pitbull frames? I want Focus Target to be over focus but it's under. |
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| 16:00.28 | wereHamster | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/Dauk/Hal_v8.jpg - which addon is used for the clock and lag display (in the lower left corner, just left of the combatlog)? |
| 16:00.50 | wereHamster | lower right corner -.- |
| 16:00.56 | vhaarr | SLTimex? |
| 16:01.21 | Tinyboom | wereHamster: looks like CML ;) |
| 16:01.28 | wereHamster | cml? |
| 16:01.39 | Tinyboom | it's on files |
| 16:02.12 | wereHamster | it looks similar to SLTimex.. |
| 16:02.50 | Tinyboom | http://files.wowace.com/CML/CML-r56291.zip |
| 16:02.52 | kaiden | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.01 | wereHamster | ~comfort kaiden |
| 16:03.02 | purl | There, there, kaiden. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 16:03.57 | Provus | Does anyone know of a way to make a frame go over another? |
| 16:05.35 | Provus | Maybe an addon..? I know MoveIt displays strata level.. but it doesn't seem to have any way to edit it.. |
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| 16:08.00 | Provus | Okay.. /script PitBullUnitFrame7:SetFrameLevel(2) seemed to do the trick.. any way to get it to do that on loading? |
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| 16:17.14 | Provus | Well I figured it out. Went and got AddonTemplate, made Pitbull a dependency, and added it to the LUA file. Thanks guys. >> |
| 16:17.14 | krka | Provus: Lua is not an acronym. It is a portuguese word that means moon. |
| 16:18.51 | Provus | ..okay, that didn't fix it. |
| 16:19.09 | Provus | Apparently since they're all the same frame level it's deciding randomly and my LUA is basically useless. |
| 16:19.24 | Ellipsis | no, it's due to frame recycling, frame 7 will not always be the same unit's frame |
| 16:20.00 | Provus | Actually it has been consistently |
| 16:20.22 | Provus | Focus target has always been frame 7.. target's target has always been frame 5. |
| 16:21.00 | Provus | I put PitBullUnitFrame5:SetFrameLevel(2) and PitBullUnitFrame7:SetFrameLevel(2) under the OnLoad function of AddonTemplate and made Pitbull a dependency. |
| 16:21.07 | Provus | Didn't seem to do anything. |
| 16:21.50 | Provus | I'm doing /reloadui and I'm getting random results each time |
| 16:22.10 | Provus | Okay.. this time I got an error.. |
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| 16:22.50 | Provus | attempt to index global 'PitBullUnitFrame5' (a nil value) |
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| 16:25.10 | Provus | Apparently even though I set Pitbull as a dependency it's still being before it |
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| 16:26.49 | Chompers | isnt addonloader called !addonload |
| 16:26.52 | Chompers | *!addonloader |
| 16:27.10 | Chompers | so wont that load first no matter what? |
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| 16:28.16 | Provus | ..huh? |
| 16:28.34 | Chompers | never mind, i have no idea what i'm talking about |
| 16:28.41 | Provus | No, I have no idea what you're saying. |
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| 16:36.58 | Provus | I'm so confused, how on earth do I get this to load after Pitbull? |
| 16:37.05 | Provus | I can't find anything on google |
| 16:37.47 | [dRaCo] | add pitbull as a dependency to that addon |
| 16:37.53 | Provus | I did |
| 16:38.12 | Provus | I even unchecked PitBull to make sure |
| 16:38.26 | Provus | Sure enough it disabled itself because the dependency was disabled |
| 16:38.32 | haste | Provus: set OptionalDeps |
| 16:38.35 | Provus | I did. |
| 16:39.04 | haste | then you did something odd D: |
| 16:39.10 | Provus | ## OptionalDeps: PitBull (next line)## Dependencies: PitBull |
| 16:39.34 | haste | hopefully you are delaying your frame stuff also? |
| 16:39.45 | Provus | http://ace.pastey.net/78348 |
| 16:39.51 | Provus | That's all the 'addon' is |
| 16:40.23 | haste | if that's all, it doesn't run at all, and OnLoad is too early if you load it from XML |
| 16:40.32 | Provus | No, it runs |
| 16:40.37 | Provus | It gives me a nil value error |
| 16:41.09 | haste | yes, that's because you have a XML file loading it, and as I said.. OnLoad is too early |
| 16:41.15 | Provus | What do I have to do to get this to work? |
| 16:42.19 | haste | local f = CreateFrame"Frame" f:RegisterEvent"PLAYER_LOGIN" f:SetScript("OnEvent", function() --[[ your code ]] end) -- might do the trick |
| 16:43.07 | Provus | That and nothing else? (with the code in 'your code' that is) |
| 16:44.57 | haste | yes |
| 16:46.22 | Provus | With http://ace.pastey.net/78350 this I get this error: Line 6: ')' expected (to close to ')' at line 1) near <eof> |
| 16:47.09 | Ellipsis | you missed the ) after "end" |
| 16:48.43 | Provus | That did the trick. |
| 16:48.44 | Provus | Thank you. |
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| 16:50.53 | vrak | !points 1300 |
| 16:50.53 | Xinhuan | 1300 arena points require 2238(5s), 2713(3s) and INF(2s) team rating. |
| 16:52.07 | Jagobah | !points 500 |
| 16:52.07 | Xinhuan | 500 arena points require 1626(5s), 1674(3s) and 1734(2s) team rating. |
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| 17:05.31 | Xuerian | That whole discussion at 6-7am this morning was like watching a horde warrior wade into stormwind and try to fight his way to the king.... |
| 17:05.41 | Xuerian | Except there's no alliance o_0 |
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| 17:06.26 | Knaledge | SVN encounter a hiccup? |
| 17:07.16 | Knaledge | My brother and I are updating via SVN atm from two different parts of the state and we'll both occasionally hang on a pull |
| 17:07.28 | Knaledge | 30s or more |
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| 17:09.27 | CIA-8 | 03luggy * r56462 10lugMD/lugMD.toc: |
| 17:09.27 | CIA-8 | lugMD: |
| 17:09.27 | CIA-8 | - updated TOC |
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| 17:12.11 | Knaledge | So I see RatingBuster got an update |
| 17:12.14 | Knaledge | I like the new stuff |
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| 17:13.08 | Knaledge | Is there any way, though, in RatingBuster to reorder the items that appear in the tooltip? |
| 17:13.22 | Knaledge | If not - how do I get in touch with the author? |
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| 17:27.59 | many | does wow run on non-intel macs natively? |
| 17:28.15 | NightHawkTheSane | er, yes. |
| 17:28.25 | many | thanks. just needed to confirm to someone |
| 17:28.35 | NightHawkTheSane | wow came out well before intel macs were released |
| 17:28.47 | many | i said so, but they didnt believe me. |
| 17:29.10 | NightHawkTheSane | they're dumb. :P |
| 17:29.22 | many | Yeah :D |
| 17:30.11 | NightHawkTheSane | and, to be sure, there's no "non-native" way for anything to run on ppc macs. You can't run apps that aren't compiled with ppc support. |
| 17:30.37 | many | isnt there this emulation layer? |
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| 17:31.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Intel macs have Rosetta, which something like an emulation layer for apps that only have PPC binaries. |
| 17:31.18 | many | ah |
| 17:31.28 | ag` | PPC got classic |
| 17:31.30 | NightHawkTheSane | And i suppose technically there's "Classic" |
| 17:31.35 | NightHawkTheSane | but no one uses classic anymore |
| 17:31.43 | ag` | there's virtualPC |
| 17:31.56 | NightHawkTheSane | vpc on ppc macs is pretty shit |
| 17:33.36 | ag` | yes |
| 17:33.36 | ag` | I'm just saying it's there :P |
| 17:33.36 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, i guess. :) |
| 17:33.45 | NightHawkTheSane | though vpc is a commercial product, not standard or anything |
| 17:39.12 | Knaledge | let me also say VMWare's Fusion is hand over fist better in the overall experience than Parallels |
| 17:40.02 | Knaledge | I used Parallels for over a year and some months and finally, after being so frustrated with their months old bugs and USB problems and others, I made the switch to Fusion straight up, no trial. |
| 17:40.08 | Knaledge | I haven't even looked back. |
| 17:40.50 | Knaledge | It's so much more... professional.... it feels tighter that's what she said and it also just is much cleaner. |
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| 17:44.14 | ag` | I just use bootcamp |
| 17:45.27 | Knaledge | as do I |
| 17:45.47 | Knaledge | but fusion allows me to remain in OSX for quick Windows related tasks |
| 17:46.18 | ag` | my windows related tasks require full speed though... gaming :( |
| 17:46.22 | Knaledge | though apparently Apple is working on their own OS level emulation for Windows |
| 17:46.41 | Knaledge | so basically OSX will get a compat layer for .exe |
| 17:46.52 | ag` | It's just some binary type support that was found |
| 17:47.03 | ag` | it doesn't have anything to do with Windows |
| 17:47.07 | Knaledge | But that doesn't diminish the meaning |
| 17:47.12 | ag` | yes it does :P |
| 17:47.17 | Knaledge | no, it doesn;t. |
| 17:47.24 | ag` | why not? |
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| 17:47.48 | Knaledge | Because roughly 80% of the world's computer market is based on Windows |
| 17:47.53 | ag` | it's there because EFI binaries are PE |
| 17:47.56 | Knaledge | which, by the way, in case you didn't know... |
| 17:48.04 | Knaledge | uses .exe as it's core platform for binary |
| 17:48.07 | Knaledge | packages |
| 17:48.22 | Knaledge | So basically - Windows in OSX without another program. |
| 17:48.46 | ag` | they switched to EFI, EFI uses PE binaries, so OS X got PE support, that it. Coincidentally PE is the same type of binary Windows uses |
| 17:49.01 | ag` | there's a very long way from supporting PE binaries to supporting Windows binaries |
| 17:49.09 | Knaledge | yeah it's probably insignificant that .exe is more likely going to make an appearance in OSX |
| 17:49.19 | Knaledge | even though several times before its been alluded to being supported |
| 17:49.19 | ag` | it's not :p |
| 17:49.27 | Knaledge | It will. |
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| 17:49.31 | Knaledge | Mark my words |
| 17:49.41 | Knaledge | It's the only logical thing to do |
| 17:49.42 | ag` | It's there because EFI binaries are PE |
| 17:50.06 | Knaledge | So you're saying there's no monetary interest at all from Apple in investing in .exe support? |
| 17:50.20 | Knaledge | They want VMWare and SWSoft to pull cash from them? |
| 17:50.28 | Knaledge | get real |
| 17:50.53 | Knaledge | It's been said time and again before, during leopard dev conferences, which I attended, that "bootcamp" was intended to be moved to the OS level |
| 17:50.59 | ag` | That's like saying apple is going to make a photoshop clone because adobe makes money |
| 17:51.01 | Knaledge | not something you "boot into" |
| 17:51.14 | ag` | or like saying apple will make a wow clone because blizzard makes money |
| 17:51.17 | Knaledge | Oh except that's not what it;s like saying at all. |
| 17:51.24 | Knaledge | Rosetta? |
| 17:51.30 | Knaledge | oh wait, why not just keep making PPC. |
| 17:51.39 | Knaledge | IBM makes money so they shouldn't clo... |
| 17:51.41 | Knaledge | oh wait |
| 17:51.52 | Knaledge | IBM did make money on PPC and the supported binary platform.. |
| 17:51.58 | Knaledge | so.. Apple...emulated...it? |
| 17:52.01 | Knaledge | yeah, they did. |
| 17:52.13 | RaydenUni | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7123582.stm <-- can anyone explain this? |
| 17:52.24 | ag` | huh? |
| 17:52.41 | ag` | Rosetta was there to ease transition from old macs to new |
| 17:53.08 | ag` | not sure what you mean |
| 17:53.32 | Knaledge | Apple is a business. |
| 17:53.37 | Knaledge | Their interest is in making money. |
| 17:53.53 | Knaledge | Noone disagrees that supporting .exe would be a BAD thing financially. |
| 17:54.14 | Knaledge | At least, no one has come forward saying it's a bad thing. |
| 17:54.21 | Knaledge | Financially, it's genius |
| 17:54.40 | Knaledge | Effectively shut down VMWare and SWSoft on your platform. |
| 17:54.55 | Knaledge | Bam... more users adopting OSX Leopard (or whatever 10.6+) |
| 17:55.21 | Knaledge | supporting .exe will only be a bad thing if executed improperly. |
| 17:55.30 | Knaledge | Like say... kernel access. |
| 17:56.33 | ag` | The huge amount of time it will take to create a compatibility layer for windows binaries does outweight the gain of giving it all away for free with their next OS |
| 17:56.39 | ag` | the windows API is huge |
| 17:56.41 | ag` | look at wine |
| 17:57.01 | Knaledge | all I'm hearing is $$$ |
| 17:57.10 | ag` | it's going to cost a fortune and take years |
| 17:57.14 | Knaledge | $$$ |
| 17:57.20 | ag` | and it won't net them more sales really |
| 17:57.21 | ag` | so |
| 17:57.34 | ag` | and you're basing all this on OS X having support for EFI type binaries |
| 17:57.43 | kaiden | ag`, have you not ever heard of wine? |
| 17:57.45 | ag` | which OS X MUST have because they moved to intel |
| 17:57.51 | ag` | kaiden, look up |
| 17:57.53 | ag` | I just mentioned |
| 17:57.55 | ag` | it |
| 17:57.59 | kaiden | ah sorry was going down |
| 17:57.59 | kaiden | :) |
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| 18:00.22 | Fisker- | :O:O:O |
| 18:00.34 | Fisker- | http://www.activisionblizzard.com/ |
| 18:00.37 | Fisker- | THIS IS MADNESS |
| 18:00.58 | RaydenUni | yeah, sounds like an april fool's joke to me |
| 18:01.08 | Fisker- | it isn\t |
| 18:01.10 | Fisker- | isn't |
| 18:01.26 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3168513654&postId=31681000099&sid=1#0 |
| 18:01.28 | kenlyric | apple might license VM code from one of the VM companies, but they aren't going to develop an entire windows API for MAC in-house |
| 18:01.29 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3168513659&postId=31681000174&sid=1#0 |
| 18:01.33 | Fisker- | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7123582.stm |
| 18:04.13 | kaiden | wow :P |
| 18:04.17 | kenlyric | hmmm... so of all the game holding companies vivendi had, blizzard gets included in the division name. That's pretty pro. |
| 18:04.18 | kaiden | never saw that coming |
| 18:04.27 | kaiden | RaydenUni, you do know it's not april right |
| 18:04.31 | kaiden | or are you higher than a kite |
| 18:04.53 | RaydenUni | i know |
| 18:04.56 | RaydenUni | i just said it feels like it |
| 18:05.04 | kaiden | no you said it sounds like it |
| 18:05.04 | kaiden | lol |
| 18:05.10 | RaydenUni | Activision Blizzard is a stupid name |
| 18:05.12 | RaydenUni | sounds/feels |
| 18:05.21 | kaiden | yeah that is a pretty stupid name |
| 18:05.22 | kaiden | lol |
| 18:05.37 | RaydenUni | Lizard Vision would be better |
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| 18:05.39 | kenlyric | activision is bigger, so it won. |
| 18:05.48 | kenlyric | Actard |
| 18:06.14 | Pkekyo| | christ...actually got so cold in here this weekend that my computer shut down by itself |
| 18:06.17 | RaydenUni | activision isn't bigger than vivendi |
| 18:06.23 | RaydenUni | and it's not activision merging with blizzard |
| 18:06.28 | many | world of duty VII |
| 18:06.28 | RaydenUni | it's activision merging with vivendi games |
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| 18:10.30 | kenlyric | it's basically more of an activision story than a blizzard one. |
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| 18:11.41 | Vulcanus | I loved how people were crying out that they wanted to cancel their accounts, US whiners are even worse than EU ones XD |
| 18:12.30 | Vulcanus | My new ram sticks couldn't be OC'd to 1066 MHz, I'm gonna cancel my account. |
| 18:12.59 | kenlyric | didn't valve go through activision after their legal battle with vivendi? |
| 18:13.30 | Vulcanus | I dunno, I didn't know Valve had been in a legal battle with Vivendi. What was that all about, dya remember? |
| 18:13.48 | kenlyric | Steam |
| 18:13.52 | kenlyric | Vivendi hated steam |
| 18:14.10 | Pkekyo| | so what? |
| 18:14.24 | kenlyric | vivendi was valve distributor. |
| 18:14.28 | kenlyric | *valve's |
| 18:14.33 | Vulcanus | See theres the missing connection XD |
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| 18:14.36 | Pkekyo| | I thought sierra was? |
| 18:15.28 | kenlyric | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4054643.stm |
| 18:15.37 | kenlyric | same thing, I guess |
| 18:16.23 | Vulcanus | meh, CS sucks anyways XD |
| 18:16.33 | CIA-8 | 03helium * r56463 10Babble-2.2/ (4 files in 4 dirs): |
| 18:16.33 | CIA-8 | Babble-2.2: |
| 18:16.33 | CIA-8 | - Spell, Tradeskill, Zone: updated zhTW locaization |
| 18:16.33 | CIA-8 | - Inventory: updated zhTW for the change in translation in 2.3...again |
| 18:17.47 | Vulcanus | *sigh* I have yet to ever run WAU without it updating some addon's TW translation XD |
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| 18:18.20 | kenlyric | I don' think that smiley means what you think it means. |
| 18:18.51 | kenlyric | stupid clients and their visual smiley faces |
| 18:18.53 | Pkekyo| | what does it mean then? O.o |
| 18:19.01 | Vulcanus | X D means laughing |
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| 18:19.16 | kenlyric | it looks evil on this client. |
| 18:19.23 | Pkekyo| | what client? |
| 18:19.35 | kenlyric | chatzilla |
| 18:19.39 | Pkekyo| | meh |
| 18:19.42 | kenlyric | xD |
| 18:19.46 | Vulcanus | 'kay.. XD well it's just the ASCII representation of the south park laughing "emote" ;p |
| 18:20.05 | kenlyric | my emotes come form before south park!? |
| 18:20.33 | kenlyric | according to rolling stone, apparently ;) means I'm flirting. |
| 18:20.42 | Pkekyo| | what temperature would the room have to reach before my computer would shut down? (cold room) |
| 18:20.46 | kenlyric | these kids today and their newfangled emotes |
| 18:20.54 | kenlyric | Pkekyo|: below 0? |
| 18:21.11 | Pkekyo| | seems my room has been below 0 this weekend then |
| 18:21.12 | kenlyric | computer's can't really get too cold unless frost forms |
| 18:21.20 | kenlyric | I doubt it was caused by the cold. |
| 18:21.26 | Pkekyo| | by what then? |
| 18:21.31 | kenlyric | I dunno. |
| 18:21.55 | Pkekyo| | well, not power failure, not overheating, no external attacks... I'm running quickly out of options here |
| 18:22.47 | kenlyric | i guess it's theoretically possible, but it'd have to very very cold. |
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| 18:23.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't think there's such a thing as "too cold" |
| 18:23.27 | Pkekyo| | well, it's rather cold in here |
| 18:23.31 | NightHawkTheSane | unless, yeah, frost is forming. :P |
| 18:23.32 | Pkekyo| | NightHawkTheSane: liquid nitrogen? :p |
| 18:23.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo|: well, dumping liquid nitro on your computer would cause problems for entirely different reasons. :P |
| 18:24.01 | Pkekyo| | indeed |
| 18:24.08 | Pkekyo| | would be a fun experiment though |
| 18:24.12 | Pkekyo| | will have to try that sometime |
| 18:25.09 | Anacleto | Hi there! All my addons are ACE based, fetched them with the WAU. When on battlegrounds, I keep getting "Username-Realm is not longer here" or similar on my screen. Can anyone tell me what could be going on? Which will be the culprid? I know I can start disabling all, and going one by one, but since it only happens on BG, it might take a long time... |
| 18:25.15 | kenlyric | did you keep the window open in sub-freezing temps? |
| 18:25.16 | Pkekyo| | I've kinda run out of logical reasons though |
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| 18:25.36 | Pkekyo| | Anacleto: probably some addon spamming /who |
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| 18:25.51 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: nah, my window haven't been open for ages...the window isn't all that well insulated though |
| 18:26.33 | Anacleto | Pkekyo|: Yes, someone told me some addon using WHISPER or similar. |
| 18:26.38 | kenlyric | still, it's difficult for an indoor room to get very cold...50 degrees maybe. |
| 18:26.57 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: 50 degrees f? |
| 18:27.13 | kenlyric | yeah |
| 18:27.22 | Pkekyo| | I never learned how to translate that into C :< |
| 18:27.53 | kenlyric | 12 maybe? |
| 18:27.55 | Pkekyo| | 10c? my room has definitely been below 10c |
| 18:28.06 | Anacleto | Is the author of BattlegroundFu around? |
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| 18:28.14 | Pkekyo| | ~battlegroundfu |
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| 18:28.36 | Pkekyo| | Anacleto: do /battlegroundfu about or /bgfu about, find out who the author is and then come back looking for him |
| 18:28.50 | Anacleto | Pkekyo|: On my way. Thanks! |
| 18:29.00 | dylanm_ | Isn't there an author column on files.wowace? |
| 18:29.05 | kenlyric | I can't find anything about computers shutting down because they're too cold. |
| 18:29.20 | kenlyric | maybe your bios has a setting. |
| 18:29.34 | Anacleto | kenlyric: Yes, but I am not sure if the authors nick on files.wowaces the same as the one used here. |
| 18:29.43 | kenlyric | that'd be a strange setting. Cold is bad for computers starting up, not for them running. |
| 18:29.49 | Anacleto | Ops, I meant, dylanm_ . |
| 18:29.50 | Pkekyo| | dylanm_: there is, but it's bollocks to look through |
| 18:30.09 | Chompers | kenlyric: because of condensation? |
| 18:30.12 | Varazir[NA] | Pkekyo| try google ;) " 50 F to c " |
| 18:30.20 | Pkekyo| | Varazir[NA]: allready did...it's 10c |
| 18:30.26 | Varazir[NA] | :) |
| 18:30.28 | NightHawkTheSane | google conversions win |
| 18:30.36 | Varazir[NA] | ya |
| 18:30.49 | kenlyric | Chompers: the rapid increase in temp on boot is the most damage you do to your computer, assuming it doesn't overheat. |
| 18:30.54 | Anacleto | Another thing I noticed, WAU shows me addons that were recently updated, and the author(s) do not change the .toc. Still sitting at 20003, etc. Annoying. |
| 18:30.59 | kenlyric | so if you start from a frozen drive, it's even worse |
| 18:31.06 | Pkekyo| | hah, I beat NightHawkTheSane to the 'just fucking google it'! |
| 18:31.30 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: so I shouldn't have booted my computer when I got back home? >.< |
| 18:31.31 | NightHawkTheSane | that's good |
| 18:31.43 | kenlyric | Anacleto: which mod is that? |
| 18:31.57 | FtH|Daemona | o.O |
| 18:31.58 | FtH|Daemona | http://www.activisionblizzard.com/pressReleases/pr120207.php |
| 18:32.40 | Anacleto | Carthographer_ExtractGas, ClassTimer, Fubar_Duratek, HonorFu, HeyFu, etc. Lots. |
| 18:32.46 | kenlyric | warcraft games on steam? gogogo? |
| 18:32.59 | kenlyric | heyfu updated? |
| 18:33.02 | kenlyric | these are lies |
| 18:33.08 | Anacleto | 4 days ago. |
| 18:33.33 | Pkekyo| | what does HeyFu do? O.o |
| 18:33.44 | Pkekyo| | just says "hey" when you log on or something? |
| 18:33.45 | kenlyric | it's a whisper mod |
| 18:33.53 | Anacleto | Track whispers and conversations. |
| 18:33.55 | kenlyric | takes messages, etc. |
| 18:34.33 | Pkekyo| | ah |
| 18:35.01 | Pkekyo| | been looking for an addon to say ' g'morning ' in gchat every time I log on...sometimes I forget :< |
| 18:35.20 | kenlyric | Anacleto: that addon hasn't been updated for a looong time |
| 18:35.32 | kenlyric | r45346 |
| 18:35.38 | Anacleto | Pkekyo|: A macro would be better for that. kenlyric, then WAU lies :) |
| 18:35.58 | kenlyric | July 31 |
| 18:36.08 | kenlyric | Anacleto: wau doesn't lie about revision number |
| 18:36.24 | Pkekyo| | Anacleto: how do I get a macro to automatically launch every time I log on? |
| 18:36.33 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: so I shouldn't have booted my computer when I got back home? |
| 18:36.45 | Anacleto | I go by last changed. I cannot check revision number all the time. Also, WAU highlights those that changed. |
| 18:37.01 | kenlyric | if you run embedded, that includes ones where the libs were just changed. |
| 18:37.35 | kenlyric | which, indeedy, was nov 28 |
| 18:38.50 | kenlyric | Pkekyo|: it probably wouldn't hurt too much, but in general room temp is probably better than freezing :) |
| 18:39.35 | Pkekyo| | well, don't have a heater in here, so would probably have to wait for spring :p (my computer's all that keeps my room warm) |
| 18:41.21 | Pkekyo| | usually it keeps it steady at about 22c |
| 18:44.02 | kaiden | i just bought a new heate |
| 18:44.03 | kaiden | r |
| 18:44.23 | kaiden | all it uses is an 800 watt lightbulb |
| 18:44.27 | kaiden | and it's blazing hot |
| 18:44.27 | kaiden | :P |
| 18:45.35 | Pkekyo| | rofl |
| 18:47.18 | Anacleto | Is there a way on Fubar (and Fubar addons) ot not to show tooltips at all? |
| 18:47.28 | Anacleto | I haven't found one, that's why I am asking.. |
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| 18:49.23 | JoshBorke | don't think so, nope |
| 18:49.41 | Fisker- | yarr kenlyric |
| 18:49.52 | Fisker- | i hope that it won't mean another legal battle with activision's titles on steam |
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| 18:51.59 | kenlyric | Anacleto: that'd be nice. Tell me if you find it. |
| 18:52.06 | Anacleto | :-) |
| 18:52.39 | kenlyric | some I only want the tooltip to appear if I click. that'd be a swell setting. |
| 18:52.52 | Anacleto | Supposely, there is an option not to show them in combact. But I don't think that is working for me neither... |
| 18:53.27 | cncfanatics | yo peeps |
| 18:55.15 | vrak | is there any addon that has a list of currently engaged targets (preferrably with icons) ? |
| 18:58.37 | Andune | So I use SpyGnome to keep track of a few mods that I like to know when other pple are running |
| 18:59.03 | Andune | and there's VersionChecker for looking for other mods if I'm curious if someone is running something not on my SpyGnome list.. |
| 18:59.36 | Andune | but is there anything that just sniffs all the inter-mod spam and can track a list of known mods everyone in my party/raid are running? |
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| 19:01.55 | Andune | I would love to know that person X that just joined my PuG is also a Cart/FuBar/PitBull/Grid/autobar/.... user. SpyGnome only gets me a known list of 5, but I'd like to know 'em all. |
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| 19:29.25 | vhaarr | Andune: I removed that limit a short time ago. |
| 19:29.30 | vhaarr | it can track more than 5 now. |
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| 19:30.25 | Speeddymon | what's goin on with svn? I'm gettin a 302 tryin to update and AtlasLoot_BCInstances fisheye log has a note about scanning being paused because of a 302.. |
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| 19:32.14 | |Stan| | fish is down atm |
| 19:32.22 | Speeddymon | was wrkin fine for me 2 mins ago |
| 19:32.22 | |Stan| | http://fish.wowace.com/browse/WowAce <- not working |
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| 19:32.53 | Speeddymon | |stan| ^^^^^ see my message about a 302 error.. |
| 19:33.34 | |Stan| | :D |
| 19:34.23 | cncfanatics | ~seen cryogen |
| 19:34.25 | purl | cryogen <i=stu@asteria.debian.or.at> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 11d 1h 45m 59s ago, saying: 'usually with that sort of thing the gm just responds with "get the gm/raid leader to raise a ticket"'. |
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| 19:45.52 | Kemayo | ag`: I rewrote bits of aguf's portrait handling -- any objections to me continuing to fiddle with it? |
| 19:46.04 | ag` | Kemayo, go ahead |
| 19:47.00 | Kemayo | Nifty. :D |
| 19:47.26 | ag` | I still have some layout code I plan on changing |
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| 19:48.20 | Andune | vhaarr: cool, I'll check it out. thx! |
| 19:51.21 | Jaxon | Daily heroic. Durnholde, three days running. |
| 19:52.34 | Gngsk | random is fun |
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| 20:38.40 | Pkekyo| | got a huge problem here, anyone able to help somehow? GM ticket follows: http://ace.pastey.net/78354 |
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| 20:39.56 | Ozguli | Pkekyo| pwn yourself away from a raid group |
| 20:40.25 | Chompers | Pkekyo|: are you in a raid group? |
| 20:41.49 | Ozguli | at least the gm island murlocks eaten by water elementals reply I got was funny... |
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| 20:48.53 | Pkekyo| | Chompers: no, were not...are now though |
| 20:49.24 | Pkekyo| | GMs on my server take on average 10hrs to respond |
| 20:50.50 | Ozguli | lols |
| 20:51.13 | Ozguli | they always reply in time when I don't really have anything urgent... |
| 20:51.17 | kaiden | Pkekyo|, tried dropping the quest and getting again? |
| 20:51.42 | Ozguli | but just wait when I open a ticket with something like "Boss X is bugged and won't aggro" it takes them hours to reply |
| 20:52.21 | kenlyric | non urgent things are probably easier to fix. |
| 20:52.51 | Ozguli | they reply with "Check the forum section N" to those |
| 20:52.53 | kaiden | it's not as though the gm's actually do the repairs |
| 20:53.18 | Ozguli | kaiden they can just kill the stuff manually |
| 20:53.23 | Pkekyo| | kaiden: yes I did |
| 20:53.25 | Ozguli | like hc ramps last boss |
| 20:53.36 | Ozguli | the sentinels often just keep spawning and spawning |
| 20:55.38 | Pkekyo| | Ozgulibut just wait when I open a ticket with something like "Boss X is bugged and won't aggro" it takes them hours to reply <---- happened several times in ZA |
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| 20:59.30 | khangg | hmm, i want to stop my tracking, but i dont see the trackign button :( |
| 21:01.44 | kenlyric | you can just right click on the buff |
| 21:02.04 | kenlyric | though, i dunno if that lets you set it to Nothing |
| 21:02.10 | NightHawkTheSane | it does |
| 21:02.40 | kenlyric | my issue is that it doesn't save any of the special trackings on logout |
| 21:02.57 | kenlyric | on my priest I just want repair vendors to be tracked. |
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| 21:06.25 | Cheads | uhmm anyone remember how I drag Grid ? |
| 21:06.46 | Cheads | nm =) |
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| 21:20.06 | what-K | shieldbhi all |
| 21:20.34 | what-K | hmm |
| 21:20.40 | what-K | sry |
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| 21:26.23 | what-K | so hi all |
| 21:26.35 | what-K | i have a question |
| 21:26.56 | what-K | i look for an addon that say me when i must refresh my battle shout |
| 21:28.50 | Chompers | Parrot? |
| 21:29.35 | what-K | what ? |
| 21:31.18 | CIA-8 | 03archarodim * r56465 10Decursive/ (22 files): |
| 21:31.19 | CIA-8 | Decursive: |
| 21:31.19 | CIA-8 | - Added an automatic self diagnostic feature also available through the /dcrdiag comand. |
| 21:31.19 | CIA-8 | This diagnostic is run when the add-on is loaded and check if all required libraries are available and are up to date. |
| 21:31.19 | CIA-8 | It also checks if all Decursive internal files are loaded correctly. |
| 21:31.19 | CIA-8 | - Fix some embeds name in TOC so automatic installers can find them properly. |
| 21:31.23 | CIA-8 | - version to 2.0.5 |
| 21:34.47 | what-K | i always get an error at my addon |
| 21:34.48 | what-K | Message: ..\AddOns\ShoutOut\ShoutOut.lua line 12: |
| 21:34.50 | what-K | attempt to call method 'AddMessage' (a nil value) |
| 21:34.52 | what-K | Debug: |
| 21:34.52 | CIA-8 | 03kameril * r56466 10VisualThemes/ (AddOns/eePanels2.lua AddOns.xml Core.lua Locales/enUS.lua): |
| 21:34.52 | CIA-8 | VisualThemes: |
| 21:34.52 | CIA-8 | -Added support for eePanels2 |
| 21:34.54 | what-K | [C]: AddMessage() |
| 21:34.56 | what-K | ShoutOut\ShoutOut.lua:12: |
| 21:34.58 | what-K | ShoutOut\ShoutOut.lua:7 |
| 21:35.06 | what-K | can someone help me ? |
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| 21:35.51 | Arrowmaster | that error message doesnt really say much |
| 21:36.15 | Arrowmaster | but im guessing its trying to call RaidWarningFrame:AddMessage() |
| 21:36.19 | what-K | yes |
| 21:36.29 | Arrowmaster | doesnt exist anymore |
| 21:36.31 | what-K | this iss missing in this addon |
| 21:36.36 | what-K | oh :( |
| 21:36.41 | what-K | what must i do ? |
| 21:36.44 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 21:37.52 | what-K | RaidWarningFrame:AddMessage("** "..spell.." ist ausgelaufen **"); |
| 21:37.56 | what-K | thats line 12 |
| 21:38.31 | *** mode/#wowace [+v cladhaire] by ChanServ |
| 21:39.01 | what-K | u dont know what i must edit ? |
| 21:40.32 | what-K | cladhaire u know maybe what i must edit that the addon show me this line in game ? |
| 21:40.32 | what-K | RaidWarningFrame:AddMessage("** "..spell.." ist ausgelaufen **"); |
| 21:40.40 | dylanm | Looks outdated. |
| 21:40.50 | cladhaire | huh? |
| 21:40.54 | cladhaire | how am i involved in this? |
| 21:41.12 | cladhaire | and whats going on :P |
| 21:41.26 | Arrowmaster | it is outdated |
| 21:41.27 | dylanm | cladhaire: You just signed on. That's pretty much it. |
| 21:41.32 | cladhaire | oh |
| 21:41.34 | Arrowmaster | that function doesnt exist anymore |
| 21:41.34 | cladhaire | glad to help! |
| 21:41.39 | dylanm | RaidWarningFrame doesn't resond to that anymore. |
| 21:41.40 | NightHawkTheSane | cladhaire: very good impression of a deer caught in head lights. ;) |
| 21:41.42 | dylanm | Update your mod. |
| 21:41.47 | what-K | yes i know |
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| 21:42.02 | what-K | but what must i edit to disable the error |
| 21:42.11 | Arrowmaster | you much change it to the new function |
| 21:42.25 | what-K | what is the new function ? |
| 21:42.29 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 21:42.32 | dylanm | Read the xml. It looks like it's just RaidWarningFrameSlot1 and RaidWarningFrameSlot2 now |
| 21:42.34 | dylanm | Which are FontStrings |
| 21:42.46 | Arrowmaster | stop being a lemming and go figure it out by looking at other addons that have been updated |
| 21:42.53 | what-K | the addon is from shirik |
| 21:43.23 | what-K | so i cant update it beacause he has made it |
| 21:43.49 | what-K | also i make this |
| 21:43.52 | what-K | RaidWarningFrame:AddMessage |
| 21:43.53 | what-K | to |
| 21:44.03 | what-K | RaidWarningFrameSlot1:AddMessage |
| 21:44.14 | dylanm | No |
| 21:44.16 | what-K | can that be right ? |
| 21:44.28 | what-K | hum |
| 21:45.28 | what-K | can u maybe help me ? |
| 21:45.52 | dylanm | I'd take a look at RaidNotice_AddMessage |
| 21:46.14 | dylanm | It seems like it takes care of the requisite logic. |
| 21:46.38 | what-K | RaidNotice_AddMessage("** "..spell.." ist ausgelaufen **"); |
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| 21:47.19 | Arrowmaster | RaidNotice_AddMessage(RaidWarningFrame, "** "..spell.." ist ausgelaufen **"); |
| 21:48.25 | what-K | ok i try it |
| 21:49.10 | dylanm | "so i cant update it beacause he has made it".. I meant that if it's an addon of his then he's either released an update or he needs to. It's rare that he isn't in this channel, actually. |
| 21:50.26 | bigzero | ~seen ckknight |
| 21:50.27 | purl | ckknight <n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #norganna, 4d 12h 41m 11s ago, saying: 'goddamn unions'. |
| 21:51.14 | bigzero | what happened to ck? exams? |
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| 21:54.38 | |Stan| | broken pc |
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| 21:56.10 | what-K | Arrowmaster that doesnt work |
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| 22:04.53 | Antiarc | Afternoon folks |
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| 22:06.00 | |Stan| | good day mr Antiarc |
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| 22:06.04 | Kerafyrm | Meanwhile, as news of the merger reached the ears of videogamers Sunday morning, many of them began to wonder if they should be getting ready to play a merged game called "World of Guitarcraft." |
| 22:06.06 | Kerafyrm | lol |
| 22:06.18 | Kerafyrm | Vivendi merging with Activision |
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| 22:21.15 | kenlyric | yeah |
| 22:21.34 | kenlyric | uh... activision absorbed into vivendi would be a better description. |
| 22:22.40 | kenlyric | and besides, it will be World of Duty |
| 22:22.55 | ag` | isn't already that |
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| 22:31.52 | Orionshock | morning all |
| 22:32.08 | Kerafyrm | morning Orionshock |
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| 22:34.35 | Orionshock | ag`: ping |
| 22:35.24 | Fisker- | old news kergoth |
| 22:35.26 | Fisker- | crap |
| 22:35.29 | Fisker- | old news Kerafyrm |
| 22:35.33 | ag` | Orionshock, huh? |
| 22:35.49 | Orionshock | ag_UnitFrames\modules\rangecheck\rangecheck.lua:91: attempt to call method 'IsActive' (a nil value) |
| 22:36.08 | Orionshock | yes i updated :P |
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| 22:38.00 | ag` | Orionshock, yeah, IsActive should be IsEnabled |
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| 22:38.19 | ag` | it'll be fixed |
| 22:41.39 | aestil | nymbia, i have a question. the swing timer, if its detached, does it have a frame that I can parent to, which disappears if the swing timer isn't showing? |
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| 22:45.50 | Pkekyo| | anyone know what port mstsc runs off? |
| 22:45.51 | Pkekyo| | ~mstsc |
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| 22:47.25 | ulic | ~port mstsc |
| 22:47.34 | ulic | oh well, worth a try |
| 22:48.49 | Pkekyo| | tried to google it, but just got alot of bollocks about forwarding ports |
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| 22:51.22 | MentalPower | Pkekyo|: 3389 |
| 22:51.31 | Pkekyo| | cheers |
| 22:51.37 | MentalPower | UDP IIRC |
| 22:51.56 | MentalPower | it uses other ports if they are available, but if they're not it runs everything off of 3389 |
| 22:52.29 | CIA-8 | 03kameril * r56467 10VisualThemes/Core.lua: |
| 22:52.29 | CIA-8 | VisualThemes: |
| 22:52.29 | CIA-8 | -Autodoc changes. |
| 22:52.39 | Pkekyo| | I'm trying to route everything that comes through 3389 to a specific computer...any idea howto? |
| 22:53.55 | kenlyric | your router's forwarding page? |
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| 22:55.01 | Industrial | Gimme new cool anime names, go! http://pastebin.com/m4e6a93e3 |
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| 22:56.42 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: ofcourse...but I dunno what to put in which fields |
| 22:56.45 | Olison | .status |
| 22:56.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo|: read your router's help pages/manual? |
| 22:57.02 | Orionshock | urg..... pug'n AQ20.... |
| 22:57.02 | kenlyric | IP and port. |
| 22:57.09 | kenlyric | it's not rocket polo |
| 22:57.18 | NightHawkTheSane | no, rocket polo would be fun as hell |
| 22:57.20 | Pkekyo| | rocket polo? |
| 22:57.35 | Pkekyo| | NightHawkTheSane: can't find the damn manual |
| 22:57.36 | kenlyric | NightHawkTheSane: fun, but complicated rules |
| 22:57.40 | Pkekyo| | nor can I find the router >.< |
| 22:57.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo|: googleit |
| 22:57.56 | aestil | is there a way to configure align? like, different size boxes, or secondary smaller lines of a different color inside the main ones... etc? |
| 22:57.58 | NightHawkTheSane | most router manufacturers put their manuals online in pdf form |
| 22:58.03 | kenlyric | sorry, my router's page is simple. I type 3389 twice, then the last digit of my IP |
| 22:58.19 | NightHawkTheSane | kenlyric: yeah, i always thought it was pretty straightforward, but *shrug* ;) |
| 22:58.37 | Orionshock | meh... 2wire router... |
| 22:58.47 | kenlyric | I once did 10 computers the same way, used 3389 - 3398 |
| 22:58.47 | CIA-8 | 03kuja * r56468 10RatingBuster/RatingBuster-Locale-deDE.lua: |
| 22:58.47 | CIA-8 | RatingBuster: i should read the comments in the code, fixes wrt some display bugs and some speeling errors |
| 22:58.47 | CIA-8 | ~fail Kuja^ |
| 22:58.48 | purl | Kuja^: Fail. |
| 22:58.58 | Pkekyo| | where this crap gets me is UDP/TCP fields |
| 22:59.26 | kenlyric | or both? |
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| 22:59.42 | NightHawkTheSane | when in doubt, forward both, it doesn't do much harm |
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| 23:00.53 | Pkekyo| | also: any way to 'secure' my router settings? goddamn power failures keep killing them, and it's frankly a pain to have to reconfigure the crap every god damn time |
| 23:01.10 | Pkekyo| | I hate it when my network's unsecure all of a sudden >.< |
| 23:01.25 | durcyn | it should be written automatically to nonvolatile memory |
| 23:01.28 | Orionshock | export settings? |
| 23:01.42 | Pkekyo| | nonvolatile? |
| 23:01.43 | NightHawkTheSane | if your router isn't saving its settings, thats an issue with the router |
| 23:02.01 | NightHawkTheSane | power cycling shouldn't cause lost settings. |
| 23:02.33 | durcyn | yeah, nonvolatile. NVRAM. EEPROM. NAND flash or something that doesn't die when power is cut |
| 23:02.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo|: google it, yeesh |
| 23:03.14 | Pkekyo| | NightHawkTheSane: it's saving them, but when facing prolonged power shortage it just goes tits up |
| 23:03.51 | NightHawkTheSane | thats a problem with your router, then. |
| 23:04.03 | Pkekyo| | andhowdoIfixit? |
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| 23:04.16 | NightHawkTheSane | hell if i know, my routers all work fine. :P |
| 23:04.21 | Pkekyo| | also: shut up, allready googled 'how to fix my router', no proper results :p |
| 23:04.46 | NightHawkTheSane | your google-fu sucks. :P |
| 23:05.14 | Pkekyo| | there should be a bot that would boot you off the channel every time you mentioned google x) |
| 23:05.47 | NightHawkTheSane | there should be a bot that boots you off the server every time you ask a question without having thoroughly googled first. :P |
| 23:05.55 | Pkekyo| | no u |
| 23:10.29 | Pkekyo| | is there any country where 'Guitar Hero' is marketed as 'Guitar Zero'? |
| 23:10.47 | WobWork | Same Guitar flavour, none of the calories? |
| 23:11.01 | Pkekyo| | hah |
| 23:11.33 | NightHawkTheSane | man, i hate all the calories after a long guitar hero session. that would be great. |
| 23:13.10 | Pkekyo| | this 'guitar zero' stuff looks like a poor chinese ripoff or something |
| 23:13.47 | NightHawkTheSane | YOU'RE a poor chinese ripoff. |
| 23:14.39 | Pkekyo| | nah, certified european |
| 23:14.47 | kenlyric | kibbler's bits, finally |
| 23:15.09 | Pkekyo| | congrats |
| 23:15.40 | Orionshock | god... puging AQ20 is worse than Ony |
| 23:16.23 | aestil | why would you go to AQ20? |
| 23:16.25 | Pkekyo| | rofl, watching this guitarhero stuff on youtube...the guy FFs through every section where he misses a note or two |
| 23:16.51 | aestil | FFs? |
| 23:17.11 | Pkekyo| | fast forward |
| 23:17.29 | WobWork | wouldn't you just edit it out? |
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| 23:17.42 | Pkekyo| | continuity |
| 23:17.55 | Pkekyo| | well, either option makes him look completely fucktarded anyways |
| 23:18.08 | Pkekyo| | 'I didn't miss that note, it happened too fast, you couldn't tell for sure!' |
| 23:18.42 | WobWork | "Nothing happened here. This is not the Hero you are looking for..." |
| 23:18.43 | NightHawkTheSane | who the hell makes guitar herovideos anyway? |
| 23:18.44 | ag` | is it still possible to have a macro with natures swiftness and a heal in one button click? |
| 23:18.54 | Pkekyo| | NightHawkTheSane: 70% of asia? |
| 23:18.59 | Orionshock | ag`: yes |
| 23:19.00 | NightHawkTheSane | thats disturbing |
| 23:19.21 | Pkekyo| | just like 90% of asia are making homevideos of covering Jerry C's Canon Rock |
| 23:19.37 | ag` | Orionshock, could you present me a link to the code? |
| 23:19.41 | ag` | please? :D |
| 23:20.21 | ulic | I think it's just "/cast natures swiftness; /stopcasting; /cast healing spell" |
| 23:20.27 | ulic | pretty sure that's all mine is. |
| 23:20.39 | NightHawkTheSane | http://pac-txt.com/ |
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| 23:21.07 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.09 | Orionshock | /stopcasting |
| 23:21.11 | Orionshock | /cast [target=mouseover] Healing Touch(Rank 13) |
| 23:21.16 | ulic | ag`: yep just checked my macros-cache.txt |
| 23:21.40 | Kameril | is #NODOC_DEFAULT broken with the autodoc? even though I add it at the top of my file everything gets autodoced |
| 23:23.28 | Orionshock | that's exactly what i use in clique |
| 23:24.23 | Orionshock | .... next time i pug an old school raid im going to go back to ony |
| 23:24.47 | NightHawkTheSane | pugging anythignis just asking for trouble |
| 23:25.39 | Orionshock | tbh, the people i manage to pick up for healing and tanking are usualy gruuls / ssc ppl |
| 23:25.54 | Orionshock | from the same guild no less |
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| 23:27.37 | ag` | Orionshock, didn't /stopcasting stop working or something? |
| 23:27.46 | Orionshock | no |
| 23:28.27 | ulic | they just made it not neccessary to use it when trying to account for lag |
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| 23:28.39 | Orionshock | what happened is that they eliminated the need for the billion macros w/ Spells |
| 23:29.03 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.14 | ag` | yeah |
| 23:29.16 | ag` | still |
| 23:29.44 | ag` | my brother is playing a druid, just trying to fix the macro for him as he said it's not one-click for him sometimes after 2.3 |
| 23:29.59 | Orionshock | boo hoo- spam it |
| 23:30.33 | ulic | I use it in clique with my shammy and haven't noticed any issues |
| 23:31.17 | CIA-8 | 03archarodim * r56469 10Decursive/ (DCR_init.lua Dcr_DIAG.lua): |
| 23:31.17 | CIA-8 | Decursive: |
| 23:31.17 | CIA-8 | - The command /DCRDIAG now also test if AceEvent is functionning properly. |
| 23:31.23 | aestil | Orionshock: what do you mean 'halting the global cooldown' |
| 23:31.25 | RaydenUni | so this weekend is WSG |
| 23:31.28 | RaydenUni | what does that mean? |
| 23:31.31 | RaydenUni | i've never done the weekend bg |
| 23:31.36 | Orionshock | aestil: ESL? |
| 23:31.38 | aestil | Orionshock: like if you hit SW:D and its CD wasn't up? |
| 23:31.47 | thul | hmm |
| 23:31.51 | NightHawkTheSane | it really has nothing to do with the GCD |
| 23:32.10 | Orionshock | Global CoolDown, ie that 1second flash on every spell after a cast |
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| 23:32.24 | NightHawkTheSane | "/stopcasting" in those macros is basically a clever hack to trick your client into allowing you to immediately cast a spell after casting a spell that does not trigger the gcd |
| 23:32.25 | aestil | the GCD is 1.5 seconds irrc. |
| 23:32.44 | aestil | NightHawkTheSane: ah. |
| 23:32.46 | aestil | ty |
| 23:32.57 | aestil | basically like, inner focus for myself. |
| 23:33.09 | NightHawkTheSane | you need it in macros, likely because the speed of execution of a macro means the client will think you're trying to cast two spells atthe same time, and not let you |
| 23:33.20 | aestil | *nods* |
| 23:33.22 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 23:33.30 | aestil | steadyshot/kill command macro's also |
| 23:33.31 | NightHawkTheSane | also trinkets typically |
| 23:33.45 | NightHawkTheSane | it works with any spell/item that doesn't trigger a gcd |
| 23:34.02 | JoshBorke | i was able to change my trinket macro to not use /stopcasting |
| 23:34.06 | vithos | (because blizzard's netcode is bad) |
| 23:35.33 | vithos | my rapidfire+beast within+bloodlust brooch macro sometimes doesn't trigger all 3 in one press, sometimes does |
| 23:36.13 | vithos | and that's with /stopcasting between them all |
| 23:36.29 | Jagobah | spam it! |
| 23:36.52 | vithos | i do, but i shouldn't need to |
| 23:38.27 | [AR]Camci | FUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKKKK |
| 23:38.43 | CIA-8 | 03archarodim * r56470 10Decursive/Dcr_DIAG.lua: |
| 23:38.43 | CIA-8 | Decursive: |
| 23:38.43 | CIA-8 | - Let Dcr_DIAG.lua updates Decursive date and revision |
| 23:38.45 | [AR]Camci | a friend of mine asked how i disband a arena team, and i ofcourse disbanded my own fucking team by misstake |
| 23:38.53 | kenlyric | hahahaha |
| 23:38.55 | [AR]Camci | thats 1800 rating gone... |
| 23:38.56 | kenlyric | your friend hates you |
| 23:39.27 | kenlyric | nobody in the history of the world has legitimately asked how you gquit or gdisband or part or camp :) |
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| 23:40.30 | [AR]Camci | u think a GM will help? |
| 23:42.16 | kenlyric | no |
| 23:42.21 | kenlyric | i don't know. but probably not |
| 23:43.08 | kenlyric | anyone here have an ipod video and can tell me if it can run 640x480 mp4 vids? |
| 23:43.27 | RaydenUni | so we just got rocked in wsg |
| 23:43.34 | RaydenUni | their lowest HK guy had 15, our highest had 5 |
| 23:43.39 | [AR]Camci | http://i2.tinypic.com/7wyih46.jpg |
| 23:44.30 | Funkeh` | doesn't it give you a pop up? |
| 23:44.37 | [AR]Camci | no it didnt.... |
| 23:44.41 | Funkeh` | kek |
| 23:47.57 | *** part/#wowace Wogroipl (n=Wogroipl@c529c710a.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 23:48.21 | RaydenUni | so playing bg with 5fps is impossible |
| 23:48.29 | aestil | pretty much, yes. |
| 23:48.45 | RaydenUni | although i'm pretty sure it was more like 1 |
| 23:48.49 | RaydenUni | i couldn't even cast spells |
| 23:49.00 | aestil | i was getting 8fps during KT encounters when we were learning him, and it made it basically impossible to get out of the fire patches on the ground |
| 23:49.01 | RaydenUni | lol |
| 23:49.06 | RaydenUni | don't download large torrent files while playing |
| 23:49.46 | RaydenUni | yet i am still sort of leadking in hk |
| 23:49.57 | RaydenUni | woot for being in the right place at the right time |
| 23:51.44 | RaydenUni | wow |
| 23:51.48 | RaydenUni | how did i survive that? |
| 23:51.50 | RaydenUni | my team rocks |
| 23:52.10 | thul | what i miss most when lvling a warrior, is things like divine shield, vanish etc :-P |
| 23:52.19 | thul | not many escape possibilities as a warrior.. do or die. |
| 23:52.36 | CIA-8 | 03alar * r56472 10AlarAutomation/ (. AlarAutomation.lua AlarAutomation.toc localization.lua): |
| 23:52.36 | CIA-8 | AlarAutomation |
| 23:52.36 | CIA-8 | Beta commands: |
| 23:52.36 | CIA-8 | /aau watch (tracks buff) |
| 23:52.36 | CIA-8 | /aau track (tracks item for farming) |
| 23:52.39 | Jaxon | Hamstring and RUN RUN RUN. |
| 23:53.05 | CIA-8 | 03starlon * r56473 10DebuffAlarm/Libs/: |
| 23:53.05 | CIA-8 | DebuffAlarm: |
| 23:53.05 | CIA-8 | - Add the Libs dir |
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| 23:53.16 | CIA-8 | 03alar * r56474 10AlarAutomation/: |
| 23:53.16 | CIA-8 | AlarAutomation |
| 23:53.16 | CIA-8 | New Media external |
| 23:54.11 | Pkekyo| | Stargate Atlantis s4 launched yet? |
| 23:54.48 | CIA-8 | 03alar * r56475 10AlarBGHelper/ (6 files): |
| 23:54.48 | CIA-8 | AlarBGHelper |
| 23:54.48 | CIA-8 | Reintroduced Boss status in AV |
| 23:54.48 | CIA-8 | Fixed Faction management (now it should work for hore, too) |
| 23:55.10 | RaydenUni | remind me not to start fights with a rogue |
| 23:55.37 | CIA-8 | 03alar * r56476 10AlarTTFrame/ (. AlarTTFrame.toc): |
| 23:55.37 | CIA-8 | AlarTTFrame |
| 23:55.37 | CIA-8 | Library upgrade |
| 23:57.00 | Bruners | what is Alar? |
| 23:57.23 | JoshBorke | Antiarc: that setmetatable crap is back in threatlib =/l |
| 23:57.24 | Pkekyo| | I'd say an author? |
| 23:57.34 | Antiarc | JoshBorke: Which is that? |
| 23:58.01 | JoshBorke | http://ace.pastey.net/78369 |
| 23:58.12 | Antiarc | oh, bah, thanks |
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