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| 00:04.02 | NightHawkTheSane | "I don't care if you had a personal message from God, complete with stone tablets." |
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| 00:07.15 | Lukian | stavmar: rollcall |
| 00:07.26 | CIA-8 | 03arrowmaster * r55567 10TabletLib/Tablet-2.0/Tablet-2.0.lua: .Tablet-2.0: dont set global _ |
| 00:11.16 | Azurewrath | In 2.4 the combat log is being completely reimplemented so that it sends events with arguments instead of text strings to the UI code. |
| 00:11.16 | Azurewrath | The old combat events are no longer generated. All existing combat log AddOns will need to be rewritten. |
| 00:11.23 | Azurewrath | sounds quite nice :) |
| 00:11.23 | Kemayo | Zhinjio: Pong? |
| 00:12.05 | Arrowmaster | inc stream of non coders bitching about why does blizzard have to always break addons for no good reason |
| 00:12.48 | Zhinjio | Kemayo: um... lemme phrase my question right... |
| 00:13.17 | Arzach-DB-EU | hopefully we'll have a bunch of cleaner, faster and more efficient mods tho |
| 00:13.55 | Arrowmaster | all the string matching does cause preformance loss currently |
| 00:14.00 | Zhinjio | um. I guess nevermind. I'm still puzzling through profiles/char/account based settings in my head. |
| 00:14.02 | Azurewrath | and a much better possibility of ingame combat-analysis :) |
| 00:14.08 | rubik | hopefully someone does something like WWS that's free... (outside of the game reports, i mean) |
| 00:14.28 | Azurewrath | The combat logging mechanism is completely overhauled with explicit data instead of text strings delivered to the UI. See slouken's post below for a sneak-peak at some of the current details. |
| 00:14.30 | Azurewrath | Highlights include detailed flags indicating relationship of involved units to player, unique identifiers for units with the same name within the combat log -- great for log analysis. |
| 00:14.49 | Azurewrath | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&postId=30548407781&sid=1#0 |
| 00:15.17 | CIA-8 | 03xinhuan * r55568 10StatLogicLib/StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: StatLogicLib: Remove taint on variable CR_EXPERTISE. |
| 00:15.31 | Arzach-DB-EU | o.O |
| 00:15.38 | Arrowmaster | haha Xinhuan i was thinking about doing that |
| 00:15.45 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 00:16.05 | Arzach-DB-EU | I foresee a WORKING DoT metering mod then ! |
| 00:16.10 | _rane | are there any addons for tracking spells' diminishing returns? |
| 00:16.13 | Xinhuan | i probably need to rename about 50 frames in wowequip to make them non-global |
| 00:16.15 | CIA-8 | 03arrowmaster * r55569 10FuBar_LocationFu/LocationFu.lua: FuBar_LocationFu: dont set global _ |
| 00:16.41 | Azurewrath | mhm.. who was the GridManaBars Autor again? Don't have a SVN Client for changelogs installed atm |
| 00:16.56 | poxk | manabars is giving me huge lag |
| 00:17.36 | Azurewrath | no problems with it.. expect that it taints one or more variables in combat.. and generates the action blocked blabla message ;) |
| 00:18.34 | NeoTron | someone was complaining about sound at character being on always: SET Sound_ListenerAtCharacter "0". |
| 00:18.49 | Xinhuan | i wonder why craftlist2 taints arg1 |
| 00:19.01 | Arrowmaster | its not afaik |
| 00:19.08 | Xinhuan | Global variable arg1 tainted by CraftList2 - Interface\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:2264 |
| 00:19.10 | Xinhuan | i have this |
| 00:19.13 | Xinhuan | in my taintlog |
| 00:19.20 | Arrowmaster | i have that but its other stuff not craftlist2 |
| 00:19.30 | Diao | wow a lock soloed hydross after 3 hours of kiting |
| 00:19.35 | Xinhuan | its ocuring on |
| 00:19.36 | Xinhuan | Interface\AddOns\CraftList2\CraftList2.lua:1127 |
| 00:19.37 | Diao | i'd get bored after the first 30 min :( |
| 00:19.39 | Xinhuan | no idea why |
| 00:19.45 | Lukian | What does attempt to index upvalue (a nil value), mean? |
| 00:19.59 | CIA-8 | 03evenue * r55570 10TradeskillInfo/TradeskillData.lua: |
| 00:19.59 | CIA-8 | TradeskillInfo: |
| 00:19.59 | CIA-8 | -Fixed typo. |
| 00:20.33 | Xinhuan | it means you tried to use a variable as a table |
| 00:20.43 | Xinhuan | and that variable is nil |
| 00:20.55 | Lukian | How should I initialise it (as a table) ? |
| 00:21.04 | Xinhuan | a = {} |
| 00:21.05 | kenlyric | which mod shows "Used in" in the tooltip when hovering over reagents? |
| 00:21.30 | Lukian | auctioneer suite? |
| 00:21.30 | NeoTron | Diao: source? |
| 00:21.50 | kenlyric | I don't have informant |
| 00:22.11 | Diao | http://files.filefront.com/Hydrosswmv/;9086416;/fileinfo.html |
| 00:22.13 | kenlyric | i'm trying to remember what I replaced informant with, but I'm drawing a blank. |
| 00:22.26 | Diao | kenlyric: mendeleev? |
| 00:22.33 | kenlyric | that's it |
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| 00:23.32 | kenlyric | needs a limit |
| 00:23.33 | Lukian | Xinhuan, cheers, I believe my first addon is now in basic working order ;) |
| 00:24.04 | Diao | ugh |
| 00:24.08 | Diao | av daily |
| 00:24.09 | Diao | hate this one |
| 00:24.41 | Mudkips | how |
| 00:24.47 | Xinhuan | i like the AV daily best |
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| 00:25.31 | Arrowmaster | ~lart Kemayo |
| 00:25.31 | purl | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs Kemayo |
| 00:26.29 | Diao | i don't because the alliance i come up against tend to turtle |
| 00:26.32 | Diao | instead of rushing to boss :( |
| 00:26.42 | Kemayo | Oops. :D |
| 00:26.55 | Mudkips | you actually get more honor if you dont rush |
| 00:26.58 | rubik | kenlyric: Mendeleev does limit "used in" stuff.. i think there's an option for it |
| 00:26.59 | Mudkips | and wait for all stuff to burn |
| 00:27.12 | kenlyric | you can limit it to stuff you can craft. |
| 00:27.15 | rubik | on shift-hover, it shows entire list.. or was it ctrl-hover.. |
| 00:27.18 | kenlyric | but not a hard numerical limit. |
| 00:27.45 | rubik | oh maybe that's it.. i limit mine to stuff i can craft.. then, on shift (or ctrl) hover, it shows me WHOLE list |
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| 00:29.10 | silentium | Xinhuan: you're the WoWEquip author, right? I got a suggestion for the part that scans an item ID range to get them into the local cache |
| 00:29.28 | Xinhuan | ya go ahead |
| 00:29.32 | Xinhuan | its not fully implemented yet |
| 00:29.38 | Arrowmaster | Kemayo: btw im trying to track down some UI_ManageFramePositions() taint from the quest log onevent and right now QUESTS_DISPLAYED from DoubleWide is my main suspect but MAX_WATCHABLE_QUESTS in questfu could also be it |
| 00:29.46 | Lukian | Why does UnitInParty("player") return 1 regardless of whether I'm in a party? |
| 00:29.46 | Xinhuan | i haven't coded anything to remember where you last left off, for eg |
| 00:29.54 | silentium | I saw it waits 10 seconds, whether the item was valid or not, and I think if it's a valid item you dont need to wait the full 10 seconds |
| 00:30.05 | Azurewrath | ~seen Maia |
| 00:30.07 | purl | maia <n=maia@chello084112137081.14.11.vie.surfer.at> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 181d 23h 59m 52s ago, saying: 'Birdemani[FH]: thanks anyway.'. |
| 00:30.07 | silentium | yeah, that would be a cool feature too |
| 00:30.12 | Azurewrath | ~seen pastamancer |
| 00:30.14 | purl | pastamancer is currently on #wowi-lounge (1d 11h 51m 34s) #wowace (1d 11h 51m 34s), last said: 'wireless bridging I can see getting alternative firmware for'. |
| 00:30.22 | Xinhuan | problem is, i don't know if its a valid link unless i check it again say 2 secs later, could be an idea |
| 00:30.31 | silentium | I just tried to make it only wait 1 second if the last item got validated, seems to work for me |
| 00:30.39 | silentium | I changed line 2476 to: if (totalElapsed < 1) or (totalElapsed < 10 and not GetItemInfo(lastScannedID)) then |
| 00:30.41 | KarlThePagan | Firefox 3 beta 1 doesn't hang when you visit the armory... yay |
| 00:30.52 | Mudkips | yay? |
| 00:30.59 | Mudkips | did it fix the memory leaks? |
| 00:31.03 | rubik | haha.. say what? neither does firefox 2.0.0.9 |
| 00:31.16 | kenlyric | basically, i'd like to know if something is useful without having to know it's useful in 185 recipes :) |
| 00:31.24 | Mudkips | only reason I use opera when WoW is on |
| 00:31.32 | KarlThePagan | rubik, it hung for me at 11:45am today |
| 00:31.44 | KarlThePagan | :P |
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| 00:32.27 | KarlThePagan | it deffinately handles the javascript crap better... so if anyone else is annoyed with armory lockups... firefox beta :P |
| 00:32.32 | Xinhuan | did you read my post on this silentium? |
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| 00:33.16 | silentium | Xinhuan: not yet, will look for it in a sec |
| 00:33.21 | Ellipsis | KarlThePagan: if I hadn't just switched to Opera I'd be in love with you right now |
| 00:33.21 | rubik | i know for sure that firefox 2.x lags badly if you're using a custom build (i.e. optimized or whatever) of firefox |
| 00:33.26 | Ellipsis | as it is, you're still hot |
| 00:33.47 | KarlThePagan | rubik, no I'm not using a custom build |
| 00:33.49 | rubik | i.e. if wowarmory sees your useragent string as anything BUT standard firefox identifier, it'll die |
| 00:34.21 | rubik | gotcha.. then i don't know why you're having problems.. it's super fast here. ;) |
| 00:34.22 | Arrowmaster | wowarmory sends me html pages with seamonkey =( |
| 00:34.26 | Xinhuan | silentium: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=9014.20;topicseen |
| 00:34.28 | Xinhuan | that thread |
| 00:34.29 | Arrowmaster | and the tooltips dont work =( |
| 00:34.32 | Xinhuan | last 2 posts i made in it |
| 00:34.40 | Xinhuan | posted yesterday that is |
| 00:34.45 | KarlThePagan | try some tabbed browsing... dunno, this wasn't meant to be a tech support call :P |
| 00:34.50 | rubik | Arrowmaster: any way to fake your useragent with an extension or something? |
| 00:34.57 | Arrowmaster | yeah i used to |
| 00:35.05 | Lukian | Why does UnitInParty("player") return 1 regardless of whether I'm in a party? :/ |
| 00:35.05 | rubik | i'd try that if you can |
| 00:35.16 | Arrowmaster | but if i fake firefox it gives me xml that doesnt work anymore when it used it |
| 00:35.27 | rubik | weird |
| 00:35.41 | Arrowmaster | but if i load the page with normal useragent then fake firefox useragent before mousing over anything the tooltips work |
| 00:36.01 | rubik | that's a headache and a half |
| 00:36.13 | KarlThePagan | interesting |
| 00:36.32 | KarlThePagan | perhaps that's why it works so well... I haven't yet seen item tooltip info finish loading |
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| 00:36.50 | Arrowmaster | the tooltips are all ajax |
| 00:36.51 | rubik | oh wth |
| 00:36.59 | rubik | tooltips taking forever now here |
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| 00:37.20 | KarlThePagan | I have magical bug repro powers rubik |
| 00:37.23 | rubik | definitely a 2.3 change on their side since i didn't change my firefox since |
| 00:37.27 | KarlThePagan | let me know when you're in a bind |
| 00:37.35 | rubik | their = blizz |
| 00:37.52 | Arrowmaster | KarlThePagan: magical bug report powers for armory? |
| 00:37.56 | rubik | KarlThePagan: can you please fix GCD issue that has my druid failing all over BG/Arenas PvP-ing? |
| 00:37.57 | vrak | armory nowadays has a tendency to lock up my browser |
| 00:38.10 | rubik | feral druid* |
| 00:38.20 | KarlThePagan | Arrowmaster, repro powers... I'm too lazy to actually report bugs |
| 00:39.05 | KarlThePagan | melee classes that cry about GCD can eat me |
| 00:39.20 | silentium | Xinhuan: thanks for the link, I just found and read it on my own :) the way I changed the check, it only ever tries to validate the next ID faster if the previous ID was validated successfully, so it won't push you above the "1 bad ID per 10 seconds" or "5 bad IDs per 50 seconds" thresholds |
| 00:39.22 | KarlThePagan | mmmmmm good stuff |
| 00:39.52 | Xinhuan | how did you do the check |
| 00:39.52 | rubik | it (jacked GCD) really sucks though.. but i'll stop QQ |
| 00:39.54 | KarlThePagan | install error monster and continue spamming backstab |
| 00:39.59 | KarlThePagan | ;) |
| 00:40.11 | rubik | i'm a druid so s/backstab/mangle/ but yeah.. hah |
| 00:40.28 | Arrowmaster | my characters armory page is broken, it hasnt updated since oct4 http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Tokrim |
| 00:40.31 | KarlThePagan | yea, my druid is 10 levels lower than my rogue so I forget |
| 00:40.35 | Xinhuan | i mean, what changes did you do specifically |
| 00:40.41 | silentium | basically it goes: less than one second -> wait, otherwise: less than 10 seconds, check if GetItemInfo(lastScannedID) is true |
| 00:41.23 | kenlyric | how do I place DifficultyColor around a tag? I can't seem to find any relevant examples. |
| 00:41.29 | Xinhuan | have you ran it over an hour ingame? |
| 00:41.45 | silentium | your code (WoWEquip.lua line 2476) is: if totalElapsed < 10 then -- skip |
| 00:41.45 | silentium | I changed it to: if (totalElapsed < 1) or (totalElapsed < 10 and not GetItemInfo(lastScannedID)) then |
| 00:41.47 | Diao | :DifficultyColor kenlyric |
| 00:41.48 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: 11/20 01:42:11.890 Global variable t tainted by SanityItemCache - Interface\AddOns\SanityItemCache\SanityItemCache.lua:25 get_table() |
| 00:41.49 | Diao | after the tag |
| 00:41.58 | silentium | I've tried it for 5 minutes, will keep testing it tho |
| 00:42.15 | kenlyric | inside the bracket? |
| 00:42.16 | Xinhuan | keep it running for say an hour, if you don't get disconnected, want to commit it? :) |
| 00:42.42 | silentium | I don't have an svn account, so I'll just poke you again here I guess :) |
| 00:42.47 | Xinhuan | ok |
| 00:43.00 | kenlyric | nvm, i'm dumb again. |
| 00:43.07 | kenlyric | looking at myself doesn't work. |
| 00:43.33 | kenlyric | i'm apparently no threat to myself. |
| 00:43.34 | Xinhuan | so you're actually calling GetItemInfo() every frame? |
| 00:43.50 | Xinhuan | could probably improve on that ;p |
| 00:44.06 | Xinhuan | OnUpdates are expensive |
| 00:45.07 | silentium | I agree, it's just a first hack to see if the server allows that kind of speedup |
| 00:45.17 | silentium | and only a one line edit :) |
| 00:45.24 | Xinhuan | also silentium, you can count downwards as well as upwards, if you wanted all the 2.4 and 2.3 links and black temple loot, you would scan 35000 -> 33000 ;p |
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| 00:45.47 | Xinhuan | that's probably the loot most people are interested in (for wowequip at least) |
| 00:45.55 | silentium | I've seen it in the code, didnt expect it from just seeing the GUI at first :) |
| 00:46.13 | Xinhuan | i also prob need to take 2 days to rename all the frames so they dont use global names |
| 00:47.07 | Xinhuan | i didn't really localize that scanning either, the text strings are in the code itself |
| 00:47.17 | Xinhuan | meh, doing something else :) |
| 00:47.30 | Xinhuan | ok i have a [Chaotic Skyfire Diamond] |
| 00:47.34 | Xinhuan | and the requirements says |
| 00:47.38 | Xinhuan | "Exactly 2 blue gems" |
| 00:47.44 | Xinhuan | i have 3 equipped |
| 00:47.46 | Xinhuan | so |
| 00:47.54 | Zhinjio | so... addon.db.char will save in per character files, addon.db.account will save in the account based SV? Is that right? |
| 00:48.00 | Xinhuan | i need to trash one of them - which one is the issue |
| 00:48.14 | Xinhuan | these 3 blue gems are in... T5 chest, T5 shoulders and Belt of blasting |
| 00:48.22 | poxk | Xinhuan: they are going to change it to min 2 blue gems |
| 00:48.27 | poxk | fyi |
| 00:48.36 | Xinhuan | poxk: when they are changing it is the issue |
| 00:48.41 | Xinhuan | 2.4 isn't going to come out for months |
| 00:48.42 | poxk | indeed |
| 00:48.53 | Xinhuan | so as far as i'm concerned, i still have to trash a blue gem |
| 00:49.03 | Xinhuan | the socket bonuses on those 3 are... |
| 00:49.10 | Mudkips | so this guy |
| 00:49.11 | Xinhuan | +5 dmg, +5 dmg and +4 dmg |
| 00:49.23 | Xinhuan | and all the sockets on them are yellow or blue ~_~ |
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| 00:49.54 | poxk | use the oldl meta till they fix it |
| 00:49.55 | poxk | :p |
| 00:49.57 | Mudkips | this druid is arguing using macros on the AP idol and the shred idol |
| 00:50.00 | silentium | if you are after the bonusses, switch the yellow one I'd say (as you probably use a green gem there atm) |
| 00:50.00 | Zhinjio | you could just not use the right colored gem *grin* |
| 00:50.05 | Mudkips | so he can proc off mangle on the dps cycle |
| 00:50.07 | Xinhuan | uh its my new T6 helm |
| 00:50.10 | Xinhuan | it doesn't have a meta in it |
| 00:50.17 | Xinhuan | so i can't "use the old one" |
| 00:50.25 | Xinhuan | my previosu helm is T4 helm |
| 00:50.27 | fitz__ | mudkips, tell him to get a feral offtank and be fed manglols ! |
| 00:50.37 | Xinhuan | and as of now, my unenchanted ungemmed T6 helm > the gem/enchanted T4 helm |
| 00:50.43 | fitz__ | xinhuan, get the terokkar meta temporarily |
| 00:50.44 | Mudkips | not the point though |
| 00:50.54 | Mudkips | you get a GCD every switch |
| 00:50.55 | fitz__ | xinhuan, easy reqs to fill, dirt cheap |
| 00:50.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Kemayo: just read your botmail, and dammit! I was in the process of writing one as well. Now I have no reason to finish. :) |
| 00:51.01 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 00:51.09 | Xinhuan | spirit shards... |
| 00:51.29 | fitz__ | if you're in t6, you can probably solo mana tombs normal |
| 00:51.53 | Xinhuan | 12 spellcrit and +3% spellcrit damage >>>> 12 dmg from that meta though |
| 00:52.09 | Xinhuan | the difference is probably enough to trash a Glowing gem and socket a Runed in it |
| 00:52.19 | fitz__ | xinhuan, well if you only have two blue gems, then sure, go the chaotic now |
| 00:52.22 | poxk | if you're in T6 you should be able todo the math on which gem to trash |
| 00:52.25 | poxk | else l2p |
| 00:52.32 | fitz__ | I was suggesting something to shove in there while you wait for the chaotic to have more reasonable reqs |
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| 00:52.47 | Xinhuan | the problem is easier if i just replace my belt hmm |
| 00:53.48 | Xinhuan | hmm i think i DEed the spellhaste one from supremus ~_~ |
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| 00:53.50 | fitz__ | hmm, armory seems dead |
| 00:54.05 | fitz__ | ~c uther tieb |
| 00:54.12 | fitz__ | hell if I remember the bot syntax |
| 00:55.18 | Lukian | Anyone want to give me feedback for my first addon? |
| 00:56.01 | KarlThePagan | what does it do? |
| 00:56.11 | Lukian | "HostileReport: Reports information about hostile players to group. " |
| 00:56.24 | Diao | o_o |
| 00:56.29 | Tinyboom | bah, stupid prince and chess bugged, we can't get the chest to loot and prince+mobs before him is gone:p |
| 00:56.31 | Diao | for bgs? arenas? world? |
| 00:56.43 | Lukian | world, it's disabled in bgs (that would be silly) |
| 00:57.01 | Lukian | I'm considering renaming it "WorldPvP" and giving it a suite of options |
| 00:57.53 | buu | Wait, are you honestly complaining about the chaotic diamond requiring .. exactly 2 blue gems? |
| 00:58.07 | KarlThePagan | buu, I would |
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| 00:58.08 | Lukian | Need to allow localisations before svn'ing it first though :) it's barebones atm |
| 00:58.12 | buu | KarlThePagan: Um. |
| 00:58.18 | buu | KarlThePagan: Yeah, having to socket blue gems is kind of bad. |
| 00:58.18 | Lukian | http://ace.pastey.net/77711-1lva |
| 00:58.35 | buu | KarlThePagan: But come now.. |
| 00:58.52 | buu | KarlThePagan: Maybe you can hit a socket bonus and not lose too much damage. |
| 00:59.04 | KarlThePagan | it's stupid, it's already been acknowledged as a bug |
| 00:59.04 | fitz__ | tinyboom, maybe someone stole your raid id, then |
| 00:59.16 | fitz__ | tinyboom, and ninja'd your chest and killed your prince |
| 00:59.20 | Tinyboom | fitz__: nope |
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| 00:59.46 | buu | Tinyboom: How do you know? |
| 00:59.46 | KarlThePagan | I already make enough compromises with the "more x gems than y gems" meta |
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| 01:00.05 | buu | KarlThePagan: Just drop two reds for 2 blues, lose 5 damage or whatever and go on |
| 01:01.31 | fitz__ | two reds for two purples, anyway |
| 01:01.51 | buu | Yeah, definitely purples. |
| 01:02.01 | fitz__ | buu, I think for most people the "exactly two" is a problem not because they don't have enough, but because they have too many |
| 01:02.06 | KarlThePagan | heh then you get to debate how many blues a purple counts for |
| 01:02.08 | buu | fitz__: Too many.. blue .. gems? |
| 01:02.11 | buu | KarlThePagan: Are they.. healers? |
| 01:02.14 | fitz__ | buu, socket bonus chasers? |
| 01:02.19 | buu | fitz__: Gkick? |
| 01:02.27 | fitz__ | buu, shrug, noone in my guild has complained yet |
| 01:02.43 | Kemayo | NightHawkTheSane: Glad to be of service. :D |
| 01:02.44 | fitz__ | and the casters in my guild keep askin me for more red gems, or occasionally veiled wossits |
| 01:02.47 | buu | You should socket for maximal damage and stuff. Blue gems rarely get there. |
| 01:02.54 | buu | fitz__: Veiled topazes = sex. |
| 01:03.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Kemayo: actualy, on trying it out, it's nice, but not quite what i had in mind. |
| 01:03.23 | KarlThePagan | I would only socket a blue to satisfy a set or meta bonus |
| 01:03.25 | NivFreak | hrmm |
| 01:03.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Kemayo: i wanted the icon basically to stay there until the buff was active again. As i tend to have a short attention span and am likely to forget. :) |
| 01:03.27 | fitz__ | I had someone ask me for the straight up yellow +spellhit gem once |
| 01:03.30 | Tinyboom | buu: cause we still had other bosses left that they would have needed to passs... |
| 01:03.32 | fitz__ | but I don't think I have that cut |
| 01:03.37 | Ellipsis | buu, there are cases where a blue gem is beneficial |
| 01:03.45 | buu | Ellipsis: Blue = stam |
| 01:03.45 | NivFreak | does anyone know if grid and healbot show predictive heals from people using the other mod? |
| 01:03.46 | KarlThePagan | pvp and |
| 01:03.47 | buu | = pvp |
| 01:03.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Or, also, if it fades when I'm in the middle of a heal, i'm not going to stop the heal to recast the buff, so i may forget again by the time i have the spare gcd to spend |
| 01:04.02 | buu | I suppose if you're trying to crit people in pvp. |
| 01:04.03 | KarlThePagan | but in pvp you're socketing a lot of blues... |
| 01:04.24 | fitz__ | only reason to socket blue for pve is if you've got a good socket bonus that is worth more than 4 or 5 spelldam on a straight red vs a purple |
| 01:04.30 | fitz__ | ie, 4 spellhit or similar |
| 01:04.53 | Ellipsis | buu: I know what blue does |
| 01:04.55 | fitz__ | either way, the "exactly two" req is asinine |
| 01:04.57 | Ellipsis | take studious handwraps |
| 01:05.07 | Ellipsis | red socket, blue socket, +4dmg bonus |
| 01:05.12 | fitz__ | if yer giving 'em away, I will |
| 01:05.21 | Arrowmaster | or you have something like a helm with a meta and a blue socket and the socket bonus is +5 spell damage, you get more +dmg with a +dmg/+stm gem that way |
| 01:05.24 | Ellipsis | if you socket 2 reds it's ~= a red and a blue, except without the stam |
| 01:06.03 | KarlThePagan | so "exactly 2" means that in pvp you're giving up stam for a marginal crit upgrade |
| 01:07.12 | KarlThePagan | in pve it means nerfing your damage for a really nice upgrade |
| 01:07.16 | KarlThePagan | so fixing this bug (yes it's been acknowledged as a bug) means it will be actually used in arenas |
| 01:07.30 | Arrowmaster | and i see your "exactly two blue" meta gem req and raise you an "exactly three yellow" because of that the Imbued Unstable Diamond is completely useless even though it gives the most +dmg of any meta |
| 01:08.39 | KarlThePagan | can't disagree with you |
| 01:09.03 | Arrowmaster | dps caster metas are all trash compared to melee dps |
| 01:09.17 | NightHawkTheSane | it seems that exactly n <color> requirements are just a little absurd regardless.. >.> |
| 01:09.26 | buu | Arrowmaster: How is the CSD trash? |
| 01:10.02 | Arrowmaster | not everybody relies on crit |
| 01:10.21 | Arrowmaster | and melee crit is much much greater than spell crit |
| 01:10.25 | Azurewrath | exactly 2 blue is ok for the gem.. i lose a total of 4 spelldmg for 12 critrating and +3% critdmg :) |
| 01:10.40 | Arrowmaster | although CSD is a large improvement over the previous gems once they fix that exactly 2 |
| 01:10.58 | Xinhuan | Azurewrath, i lose more than 4 spelldmg |
| 01:11.47 | KarlThePagan | I think of it as a nerf compared to what existed prior to 2.3... relentless earthstorm diamond was great for arena mages |
| 01:12.12 | Xinhuan | relentless was good for pve too |
| 01:12.18 | KarlThePagan | true |
| 01:12.46 | KarlThePagan | either pvp or pve you're going to have plenty of sockets to satisfy "at least 2 r/b/y" |
| 01:13.52 | KarlThePagan | the exactly 2 requirement just means breaking gems - and that's not fun |
| 01:14.04 | Arrowmaster | basicly all the dps caster meta gems except SStarfireD are too hard to meet the requirements on compared to metas for others |
| 01:14.06 | KarlThePagan | now... being a shadow priest I should care |
| 01:14.11 | KarlThePagan | *shouldn't |
| 01:15.02 | Xinhuan | i like how mystical skyfire is completely trash now. |
| 01:15.19 | Arrowmaster | because of the cooldown or the bugfix? |
| 01:15.23 | Xinhuan | More blue than yellow, 45 sec cooldown, 5 sec buff when it procs |
| 01:15.27 | Azurewrath | like the BT Trinket :/ |
| 01:15.36 | Xinhuan | those 3 reasons make it trash |
| 01:15.37 | CIA-8 | 03funkydude * r55573 10BigWigs/ZulAman/Halazzi.lua: BigWigs: ZulAman/Halazzi: add frenzy alert |
| 01:15.51 | Arrowmaster | its still good for healers |
| 01:16.03 | Arrowmaster | since they use blues for mp5 |
| 01:16.10 | Xinhuan | you're talking about a gem that procs at most 7 times or so in a 5 min fight |
| 01:16.28 | Xinhuan | insightful would be better now |
| 01:17.11 | Arrowmaster | i was actually thinking about using BED on my warlock now |
| 01:17.18 | Arrowmaster | how sad is that |
| 01:17.42 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 01:18.17 | Arrowmaster | +9dmg and -2%threat for more yellow than blue and more red than blue |
| 01:18.21 | Xinhuan | you'll do better with swift starfire |
| 01:18.32 | Arrowmaster | yeah probably |
| 01:19.10 | Arrowmaster | wtf is the proc rate on IED? |
| 01:19.32 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27521 tooltip says 2% but effect info says 5% |
| 01:19.43 | Xinhuan | 2% proc rate |
| 01:19.49 | Xinhuan | +300 mana |
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| 01:20.18 | Arrowmaster | they buffed that didnt they, i swear i remember it only being something like 120 mana which made it trash |
| 01:20.37 | Xinhuan | it should restore 300 now i think? |
| 01:20.48 | Arrowmaster | yeah says 300 |
| 01:21.19 | NeoTron | less threat isn't a bad thing |
| 01:21.29 | NeoTron | if you ever hit the threat ceiling |
| 01:21.39 | Arrowmaster | shadowpriest gem imho |
| 01:21.45 | Arrowmaster | ours are always bitching about threat |
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| 01:22.15 | NeoTron | if it's a threat issue, stop using vampiric embrace |
| 01:22.37 | Xinhuan | touch >>>> embrace! |
| 01:23.47 | CIA-8 | 03silmano * r55574 10SellOMatic/: Create addon folder |
| 01:24.20 | NeoTron | on bloodboil not using VE is absolutely essential |
| 01:24.40 | NeoTron | not only because of the way the tanking is but also because VE would pretty much not overheal at all due to bloodboil |
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| 01:26.28 | Zhinjio | ckknight! |
| 01:27.11 | CIA-8 | 03sorren * r55575 10SorrenTimers/ (embeds.xml libs/): |
| 01:27.11 | CIA-8 | SorrenTimers: |
| 01:27.11 | CIA-8 | - Fix embeds.xml |
| 01:28.01 | CIA-8 | 03sorren * r55576 10SorrenTimers/libs/: |
| 01:28.01 | CIA-8 | SorrenTimers: |
| 01:28.01 | CIA-8 | - Need to remember to /rl before committing. |
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| 01:32.08 | Obelixprime | question about quartz |
| 01:32.59 | Wobwork | ~asktoask |
| 01:32.59 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 01:33.21 | Obelixprime | lol |
| 01:33.27 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 01:33.27 | sag_ich_nicht | this is just retarded |
| 01:33.34 | sag_ich_nicht | apparently, you can parry wand damage. |
| 01:33.40 | Obelixprime | in the middle of supremus trash, for quartz, how do you turn off debuff filtering? |
| 01:33.47 | Wobwork | it's -technically- phyisical damage |
| 01:33.47 | Xinhuan | sag_ich_nicht: WHAT?? |
| 01:33.54 | Kuja^ | err what? |
| 01:33.56 | Wobwork | since it consumes hemo charges as well |
| 01:34.02 | Xinhuan | how do you proof that |
| 01:34.11 | Xinhuan | duel with a rogue and let you want him? |
| 01:34.23 | Wobwork | oh Xinhuan. I want you =( |
| 01:34.34 | fitz__ | lol |
| 01:34.37 | CIA-8 | 03arrowmaster * r55577 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/ (ChatButtons.lua PlayerNames.lua Timestamps.lua): Prat: much less accidental global creation |
| 01:34.38 | Ellipsis | Obelixprime: you don't/can't, it will only display buffs/debuffs that you can see the timers on |
| 01:34.42 | fitz__ | our mage tank died to Krosh last Gruul run |
| 01:34.46 | fitz__ | so I took a look at WWS |
| 01:34.56 | fitz__ | and all three Huntards, sure enough, were using Arcane Shot in their rotation |
| 01:35.08 | Xinhuan | HAHAHA |
| 01:35.15 | Jops | >_> |
| 01:35.15 | fitz__ | it was pretty funny though, she called out over teamspeak "did someone steal my fire shield?" |
| 01:35.31 | Obelixprime | oooh |
| 01:35.33 | Obelixprime | i get it |
| 01:35.34 | Wobwork | rofl |
| 01:35.38 | Wobwork | I didn't even realise that =) |
| 01:36.04 | CIA-8 | 03kemayo * r55578 10BuffDrop/core.lua: |
| 01:36.04 | CIA-8 | BuffDrop: |
| 01:36.04 | CIA-8 | -Add option "icontime" to control how long the icon stays up |
| 01:36.04 | CIA-8 | -Fade icon as time goes by |
| 01:36.04 | CIA-8 | -Hide icon when buff is reapplied |
| 01:36.14 | Kemayo | NightHawkTheSane: ^^^ how's that? |
| 01:36.56 | Ellipsis | wait, what, I don't get the arcane shot thing |
| 01:37.00 | Ellipsis | someone explain? o.O |
| 01:37.06 | fitz__ | ellipsis, it dispels now |
| 01:37.08 | Wobwork | Arcane shot dispels =) |
| 01:37.11 | Xinhuan | arcans shot dispels a random spell now |
| 01:37.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Kemayo: <3 |
| 01:37.12 | Ellipsis | ...and? |
| 01:37.14 | Xinhuan | like Shield Slam |
| 01:37.17 | Wobwork | so it was dispelling the fire shield before it could be stolen |
| 01:37.20 | Wobwork | by the mage tank |
| 01:37.27 | Ellipsis | what fire shield? |
| 01:37.27 | fitz__ | ... and if you dispel Krosh's Fire Shield, the mage can't spellsteal it, and cops a 10k fireball in the face |
| 01:37.28 | TNSe | basically its blizzards way of buffing rotten talents |
| 01:37.28 | Xinhuan | the hunters dispelled the mage shield you're supposed to spellsteal from Krosh |
| 01:37.31 | Ellipsis | I'm so confused |
| 01:37.34 | Wobwork | Krosh is tanked by a mage |
| 01:37.43 | Wobwork | who steals his fire shield and uses it against him |
| 01:37.47 | fitz__ | ellipsis, in order to tank Krosh Firehand, you need a mage regularly spellstealing Fire Shield, which reduces fire damage by 75% |
| 01:37.53 | Wobwork | since he does massive fire damage |
| 01:38.00 | fitz__ | the Greater Fireball he casts is unresistable, and does about 9.5k damage a hit, every 3 seconds |
| 01:38.01 | Xinhuan | Krosh does 9k fireballs, and does a 30 sec self-buff that reduce all magical damage taken by 75% |
| 01:38.04 | Ellipsis | ah |
| 01:38.05 | fitz__ | for most guilds, that's unhealable |
| 01:38.10 | Ellipsis | didn't know that was why a mage did it |
| 01:38.13 | Xinhuan | so a mage must spellsteal this and tank with the buff |
| 01:38.15 | Xinhuan | every 30 secs |
| 01:38.17 | fitz__ | so you have a mage tank it with the spellstolen Fire Shield, taking 2-3k damage a hit |
| 01:38.19 | CIA-8 | 03silmano * r55579 10SellOMatic/ (SellOMatic.lua SellOMatic.toc SellOMatic.xml): SellOMatic: Initial import |
| 01:38.27 | Xinhuan | and every 30 secs the mage will always cop a full 9k fireball |
| 01:38.28 | Wobwork | and a pally flashhealing the mage =) |
| 01:38.42 | Ellipsis | heh |
| 01:38.44 | Xinhuan | as krosh always completes his current fireball before recasting the shield on himself to be stolen |
| 01:38.47 | fitz__ | WWS doesn't really show me well who else Krosh killed though |
| 01:38.51 | a-stray-cat | is there any way to stop LoD stuff from loading? |
| 01:38.52 | Ellipsis | I don't pay a whole lot of attention to that whole side of the room |
| 01:38.57 | Ellipsis | I usually have my hands full with felpuppies |
| 01:39.03 | a-stray-cat | im trying to test whether or not my mod is correctly working standalone |
| 01:39.08 | Xinhuan | a-stray-cat: elaborate? |
| 01:39.10 | a-stray-cat | but the libs come up all by themselves |
| 01:39.15 | a-stray-cat | even if i just load my addon |
| 01:39.35 | Xinhuan | there isn't really a way, the only way is to actually delete all those addon folders |
| 01:39.48 | Ellipsis | or change their toc versions so wow refuses to load them |
| 01:39.52 | Ellipsis | <--sneaky |
| 01:39.53 | Xinhuan | as ace2 enables libs that are disabled |
| 01:39.56 | Xinhuan | actually there is a way |
| 01:39.59 | a-stray-cat | ooo |
| 01:39.59 | Xinhuan | i lied |
| 01:40.03 | a-stray-cat | that is sneaky |
| 01:40.17 | Xinhuan | the "correct" way is to edit AceLibrary-2.0.lua |
| 01:40.24 | Xinhuan | at the top of the file, there is a true/false flag |
| 01:40.32 | a-stray-cat | that sounds easier |
| 01:40.39 | Xinhuan | that says whether it should enable Libs addons if they are needed |
| 01:40.43 | Xinhuan | and its true by default |
| 01:41.14 | fitz__ | ok, so we lost our mage tank, our offtank, and a healer before Krosh went down heh heh |
| 01:41.29 | Xinhuan | note you will need to edit the acelibrary.lua that is inside your addon's embedded libs |
| 01:41.55 | Xinhuan | but the most correct way of testing your addon is really to delete all the addons in your addon folders except yours |
| 01:42.09 | fitz__ | testing for conflicts, perhaps |
| 01:42.29 | a-stray-cat | i'd rather not delete, reinstall, delete, etc :/ |
| 01:42.32 | fitz__ | doesn't help for API usage correctness |
| 01:42.41 | fitz__ | a-stray-cat, rename AddOns to OldAddOns |
| 01:42.48 | fitz__ | create a new AddOns with just yours in there |
| 01:42.48 | a-stray-cat | you know i tried? |
| 01:42.48 | fitz__ | test |
| 01:42.51 | a-stray-cat | but vista hates me |
| 01:42.55 | fitz__ | haha, vista |
| 01:42.56 | Xinhuan | you only have to rename Interface\AddOns to Interface\AddOns2 |
| 01:42.57 | a-stray-cat | and keeps saying i need permission |
| 01:43.00 | Zhinjio | make a zip of them all and save it temporarily |
| 01:43.06 | Xinhuan | then recreate \AddOns\ |
| 01:43.07 | a-stray-cat | and i cant figure out where the "rename as administrator" is |
| 01:43.09 | Xinhuan | and copy your addon over |
| 01:43.15 | Xinhuan | get it? :) |
| 01:43.20 | fitz__ | a-stray-cat, I think it's on a Mac OS X install DVD ? |
| 01:43.22 | a-stray-cat | Xinhuan: i just said i tried that |
| 01:43.33 | fitz__ | these damn underscores are pissing me off |
| 01:43.33 | a-stray-cat | fitz__: i'll go back to linux before osx ;p |
| 01:43.45 | fitz__ | stupid "fitz" already in use, and "fitz_" too |
| 01:43.57 | a-stray-cat | ghost them off? :p |
| 01:44.02 | Xinhuan | why don't you just login your windows as administrator in the first place |
| 01:44.04 | fitz__ | they registered the name first |
| 01:44.08 | a-stray-cat | i do |
| 01:44.11 | a-stray-cat | i really dont know whats going on |
| 01:44.14 | a-stray-cat | its not something ive seen before |
| 01:44.29 | a-stray-cat | you know what it might be |
| 01:44.33 | a-stray-cat | i have the folder as a junction |
| 01:44.39 | Xinhuan | p.s don't install wow in c:\Program Files\ |
| 01:44.49 | Xinhuan | vista has security settings on all subfolders in it |
| 01:44.51 | a-stray-cat | its in Program Files (x86) ;p |
| 01:45.05 | a-stray-cat | i can change all the other folder names in the wow folder |
| 01:45.10 | a-stray-cat | i change wtf allt he time : |
| 01:45.44 | NightHawkTheSane | wtf kind of function call is "RAISERROR", there should be two e's in there. >< |
| 01:46.01 | fitz__ | maybe RAISEERROR looks too awkward |
| 01:46.13 | Xinhuan | RaiseError imo |
| 01:46.14 | NightHawkTheSane | fuck awkward, it's correct. |
| 01:46.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: well, this is t-sql so case is irrelevant |
| 01:46.43 | Xinhuan | if case is irrelevant |
| 01:46.49 | Xinhuan | then write RaiseError |
| 01:46.52 | Xinhuan | more readable! |
| 01:46.55 | fitz__ | I always liked Modula-2 |
| 01:47.01 | fitz__ | all the keywords must be in upper case |
| 01:47.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: ... that's not the point./ |
| 01:47.02 | CIA-8 | 03sorren * r55580 10SorrenTimers/embeds.xml: |
| 01:47.02 | CIA-8 | SorrenTimers: |
| 01:47.02 | CIA-8 | - Okay, now embeds are REALLY fixed. |
| 01:47.06 | fitz__ | it felt like I was shouting at the compiler |
| 01:47.08 | fitz__ | "BEGIN you fucker" |
| 01:47.10 | a-stray-cat | ima stab whoever changed it to embeds in teh first place |
| 01:47.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: the function is "raiserror" note the lack of two e's |
| 01:47.39 | Xinhuan | go stab the guy who wrote that function with a pillow then |
| 01:47.47 | NightHawkTheSane | I would like to. |
| 01:47.53 | fitz__ | so write RaIsErRoR and piss off whoever has to maintain your code later |
| 01:47.59 | Xinhuan | like that |
| 01:48.21 | NightHawkTheSane | fitz__: sadly, it'll probably be me, still |
| 01:48.25 | fitz__ | BoNuS PoInTs If YoU wRiTe ThE wHoLe MoDuLe In AlTeRcApS |
| 01:48.31 | a-stray-cat | looks like an asian screen name xRaiseerroRx |
| 01:48.42 | fitz__ | you need more decorators on tht |
| 01:48.50 | fitz__ | maybe ==x==RAISERROR==x== |
| 01:48.54 | Xinhuan | sorren, why is your irc nick different :) |
| 01:48.56 | a-stray-cat | now it looks like a plane |
| 01:49.01 | NightHawkTheSane | -=xXRaIsErRoRXx=- |
| 01:49.05 | a-stray-cat | becuae i use a-stray-cat on all the other irc servers |
| 01:49.08 | fitz__ | ya, that one's good, nighthawk |
| 01:49.10 | a-stray-cat | and im too lazy to change it just for freenode |
| 01:49.13 | NeoTron | buu: so how many tries did it take to kill leotheras? |
| 01:49.15 | a-stray-cat | NightHawkTheSane is pro |
| 01:49.17 | fitz__ | I develop under 'Dhask of Uther' |
| 01:49.20 | Xinhuan | script it on connect! |
| 01:49.25 | fitz__ | I play WoW under Tieb, on Uther |
| 01:49.25 | a-stray-cat | but...im lazy :< |
| 01:49.29 | NightHawkTheSane | I am. I'm totally the king of 1337-speak nick's |
| 01:49.43 | fitz__ | I'm connected to three irc networks atm, never learned how to change nick for just one |
| 01:49.53 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.01 | fitz__ | that changes it across all three |
| 01:50.10 | a-stray-cat | it should only change it ont he one you're on |
| 01:50.11 | Ellipsis | not in most clients |
| 01:50.15 | hyperChipmunk | it oughtn't |
| 01:50.18 | NightHawkTheSane | thats an odd client then |
| 01:50.33 | hyperChipmunk | stupid "extra-friendly" client |
| 01:50.35 | Xinhuan | ok i have a guild member, his name is Keller. He gave his account/rogue awayto his friend, his friend changes the name to Linetrapftw with $10. He takes the account back |
| 01:50.42 | Xinhuan | and finds that he can't change the stupid name back |
| 01:50.48 | Xinhuan | for another 70 days |
| 01:50.52 | Ellipsis | lolowned |
| 01:50.55 | hyperChipmunk | lol |
| 01:51.00 | Xinhuan | i think he's trying to report his own name now |
| 01:51.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: owned. |
| 01:51.02 | silentium | people who "permanently" change their nicks more than once every 6 years are suspicious ;) I've been using this nick for ages |
| 01:51.05 | Xinhuan | for including l337speak |
| 01:51.16 | Xinhuan | so i'm kinda lol-ing |
| 01:51.25 | NightHawkTheSane | silentium: same. I've had the same AIM name for as long as they were allowed to be longer than like 8 characters. |
| 01:51.40 | SP|Sorren | Sorren came up in some random name generator, and was the name of my first toon, so ive been using it for wow |
| 01:51.42 | Ellipsis | I change my nick about as often as I change my hairstyle |
| 01:51.49 | SP|Sorren | but ive been using a-stray-cat since quake 2 or so :/ |
| 01:52.02 | SP|Sorren | a cow named Straycat would be wierd. |
| 01:52.11 | silentium | hello EllipsisAnotherNewHairstyle, how do you look today? |
| 01:52.12 | Xinhuan | should have made Astraycat |
| 01:52.24 | SP|Sorren | see, but then is it astray cat or a stray cat :P |
| 01:52.52 | SP|Sorren | and i like to use name names in mmos :/ |
| 01:52.52 | Ellipsis | silentium: laugh all you want, but other than using Ellipsis for WoW stuff I've had the same IRC nick for about 6 years :) |
| 01:52.58 | Xinhuan | how did you even come up with a-stray-cat |
| 01:53.07 | SP|Sorren | i just think its funny when the log comes up SoandSo eats a stray cat's rocket. in q3 |
| 01:53.22 | *** join/#wowace fitz_ (n=bje@CPE-121-208-172-34.qld.bigpond.net.au) |
| 01:53.28 | fitz_ | okay |
| 01:53.28 | CIA-8 | 03kemayo * r55581 10BankStack/ (config.lua fu.lua sort.lua): |
| 01:53.28 | CIA-8 | BankStack: |
| 01:53.29 | CIA-8 | -Rewrite config system (benefit: FuBar plugin right-click menu works for everything). |
| 01:53.29 | CIA-8 | -Change sort to move conjured items all the way to the back, behind soul shards and junk. |
| 01:53.33 | fitz_ | that definitely was NOT the right command |
| 01:53.35 | Xinhuan | about as funny as Your Mum nicks |
| 01:53.41 | Xinhuan | on FPS games |
| 01:54.04 | SP|Sorren | meh ;P |
| 01:54.11 | SP|Sorren | i was like 13 then, give me a break |
| 01:54.17 | SP|Sorren | its too late to change it now! |
| 01:54.25 | dhask | woot |
| 01:54.39 | Xinhuan | so what timers does sorrentimers do |
| 01:54.42 | dhask | what's the nickserv equivalent here? |
| 01:54.57 | dhask | ... nickserv |
| 01:54.58 | dhask | of course |
| 01:54.58 | Xinhuan | i believe, its called nickserv ;p |
| 01:55.35 | dhask | yes, yes so it would seem |
| 01:55.39 | dhask | I claim victory! |
| 01:55.56 | Ellipsis | no pix no proof |
| 01:56.11 | Xinhuan | in singapore slang, that would be "NPNT" |
| 01:56.16 | dhask | http://goatse.cx/ |
| 01:56.16 | Xinhuan | No Picture, No Talk |
| 01:56.19 | dhask | there's yer ss |
| 01:56.32 | Xinhuan | applies to just about every forum post lol |
| 01:56.34 | Xinhuan | NPNT |
| 01:56.42 | SP|Sorren | its pretty much just like chronometer, or classtimers |
| 01:56.56 | dhask | what do those do? ;) |
| 01:56.58 | Xinhuan | i use none of those :) |
| 01:56.58 | SP|Sorren | i wrote them as the next step up from my hutner timers |
| 01:57.02 | Ellipsis | they time stuff |
| 01:57.05 | Xinhuan | so i still don't know what they time |
| 01:57.09 | SP|Sorren | its like necb with less stuff? :X |
| 01:57.15 | SP|Sorren | its like a dot timer! |
| 01:57.21 | SP|Sorren | except for more than just dots :/ |
| 01:57.25 | Xinhuan | don't use necb either.. what exactly do you time? |
| 01:57.29 | Xinhuan | all player castable debuffs? |
| 01:57.41 | SP|Sorren | buffs, debuffs, just about anything with a druation |
| 01:57.56 | Xinhuan | got a screenie? |
| 01:58.15 | dhask | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/4835/ |
| 01:58.17 | dhask | he's got one there |
| 01:58.17 | *** join/#wowace blay-laptop (n=blaylok@35.136.243.24.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 01:58.32 | Xinhuan | (does this channel have irc stats btw?) |
| 01:58.56 | SP|Sorren | i have logs i think, could build some |
| 01:59.04 | SP|Sorren | but im not on all the time anymore :/ |
| 01:59.08 | SP|Sorren | so nvm! |
| 01:59.09 | dhask | heh, easyrotation looks interesting |
| 01:59.11 | Xinhuan | unless you were on 24/7 it wouldn't be accurate |
| 01:59.21 | dhask | I'm on 24-ish 7-ish |
| 01:59.25 | *** join/#wowace Stanzilla (n=Stanzill@p549953C1.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:59.29 | dhask | but I don't log |
| 01:59.31 | Ellipsis | purl does logs |
| 01:59.32 | Xinhuan | i'm curious to know if i'm in top 20 chatters ;p |
| 01:59.34 | Ellipsis | ~logs |
| 01:59.35 | purl | well, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 02:00.33 | Xinhuan | wowace doesn't have stats |
| 02:00.38 | Xinhuan | wowi-lounge does though |
| 02:00.42 | Ellipsis | we're not cool enough :( |
| 02:00.43 | Stanzilla | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowace/ |
| 02:01.06 | Xinhuan | logs != stats |
| 02:01.13 | Stanzilla | mm |
| 02:01.30 | Ellipsis | unfortunately no logs will be perfectly accurate here |
| 02:01.36 | Ellipsis | since the network splits fairly often :/ |
| 02:01.55 | Xinhuan | it'll be better than most if purl generates them! |
| 02:02.00 | Ellipsis | yeah, probably |
| 02:02.02 | CIA-8 | 03sorren * r55582 10SorrenTimers/options.lua: |
| 02:02.02 | CIA-8 | SorrenTimers: |
| 02:02.02 | CIA-8 | - Fixed creation of new groups |
| 02:02.07 | Ellipsis | though purl is offline at times too |
| 02:02.44 | Xinhuan | i should write a wiki page on how to use taint.log |
| 02:03.57 | JoshBorke | you should |
| 02:04.00 | JoshBorke | and put it on wowwiki |
| 02:04.10 | Wobwork | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.14 | Wobwork | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.21 | Ellipsis | nor emotes |
| 02:04.22 | CIA-8 | 03kemayo * r55583 10BankStack/ (config.lua sort.lua): |
| 02:04.22 | CIA-8 | BankStack: |
| 02:04.22 | CIA-8 | -Add a "reverse sort" option. |
| 02:04.57 | dhask | for 20071119, you're the second most chatty, xinhuan |
| 02:05.02 | dhask | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.03 | dhask | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.16 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 02:05.18 | Xinhuan | girl talks most, no surprise :) |
| 02:05.19 | Ellipsis | >_< |
| 02:05.40 | NightHawkTheSane | it's funny because it's true. |
| 02:05.47 | Wobwork | undeniably so =P |
| 02:05.58 | dhask | if you |
| 02:06.01 | dhask | press enter more often |
| 02:06.02 | dhask | you can |
| 02:06.02 | dhask | pad |
| 02:06.04 | dhask | your stats |
| 02:06.06 | Xinhuan | need one of those IRC stats bots on |
| 02:06.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: just write a perl script to parse the logs from the web every day |
| 02:06.23 | NightHawkTheSane | ~logs |
| 02:06.24 | purl | logs is, like, apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 02:06.25 | Xinhuan | so we can see who has the longest lines, who uses CAPS the most, who has the most smilies and stuff :) |
| 02:06.35 | dhask | nighthawk, that's what I did |
| 02:06.43 | dhask | xgrep -h '//font/tt/text()' wowace.html | sort | uniq -c | sort - |
| 02:06.45 | NightHawkTheSane | see, dhask is way ahead of you, Xinhuan |
| 02:06.48 | Ellipsis | oh god, not the default mircstats that every channel has at some point :P |
| 02:06.48 | dhask | possibly with an unnecessary "sort" in there |
| 02:06.49 | dhask | and no perl |
| 02:06.50 | Wobwork | hm |
| 02:07.01 | Wobwork | I wonder how to set purl to give stats like wowi |
| 02:07.11 | Xinhuan | ~stats |
| 02:07.12 | purl | Since Mon Oct 29 09:12:43 2007, there have been 304 modifications, 2959 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1932 commands. I have been awake for 22d 16h 54m 28s this session, and currently reference 114030 factoids. I'm using about 19384 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 57625.67/3529.62 child 0/0.03 |
| 02:07.14 | NightHawkTheSane | well, purl, or other proper scripting language would give you a lot more number crunchign ability for generating stats |
| 02:07.14 | dhask | ellipsis, but why stop there? we can have a trivia bot, and a boggle bot, and .. and .. |
| 02:07.17 | Xinhuan | hmmm |
| 02:07.22 | dhask | 0 morons ? |
| 02:07.25 | Ellipsis | dhask: don't forget !8ball |
| 02:07.31 | Xinhuan | ~ircstats |
| 02:07.31 | purl | Currently I'm hooked up to niven.freenode.net:6667 but only for 22d 16h 54m 37s. I had to reconnect 5 times. Connectivity: 100.00 % |
| 02:07.33 | dhask | of course! 8balls! |
| 02:07.37 | dhask | ~8ball |
| 02:07.38 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Signs point to yes |
| 02:07.41 | Wobwork | I'd go for a trivia bot |
| 02:07.41 | dhask | we have that oe |
| 02:07.44 | dhask | ~trivia |
| 02:07.52 | Ellipsis | purl, literal 8ball |
| 02:07.52 | purl | "8ball" is "<reply> see eight ball" |
| 02:07.53 | dhask | ~moron |
| 02:07.53 | purl | from memory, moron is someone that types long lines starting with "purl" |
| 02:07.57 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 02:08.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Ive got the code for a purl irc bot lying around, it'd be easy to write a quizbot. |
| 02:08.11 | dhask | purl am I a moron then because I dont think taht's a very fair definition of a moron really |
| 02:08.18 | dhask | ~stats |
| 02:08.18 | purl | Since Mon Oct 29 09:12:43 2007, there have been 304 modifications, 2962 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1932 commands. I have been awake for 22d 16h 55m 35s this session, and currently reference 114030 factoids. I'm using about 19384 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 57629.07/3531.26 child 0/0.03 |
| 02:08.21 | dhask | :( |
| 02:08.26 | dhask | ~dunno |
| 02:08.26 | purl | somebody said dunno was #1/usr/bin/girl |
| 02:08.32 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, you're not a moron, dhask |
| 02:08.33 | MentalPower|DVD | ~chanstats |
| 02:08.33 | purl | I'm on 87 channels: #debian/722, #openmoko/319, #kde/278, #wowace/252, #maemo/235, #asterisk/222, #idlerpg/152, #oe/125, #wowi-lounge/120, #wowhead/90, #wowwiki/70, #bzflag/65, #norganna/63, #asterisk-dev/60, ##essy/60, #utah/57, #slug/56, #tomcat/51, #handhelds/49, #uclibc/43, #htc-linux/39, #edev/39, #elinux/39, #nslu2-linux/38, #gllug/37, #openzaurus/37, ... |
| 02:08.33 | purl | i've cached 3896 users, 2878 unique users, distributed over 87 channels. |
| 02:08.42 | dhask | nighthawkthesane, I tried, oh how I tried |
| 02:08.49 | dhask | ~freeporn |
| 02:08.52 | dhask | damnit |
| 02:09.17 | Lukian | which is the lua bot and can I PM it? |
| 02:09.31 | Xinhuan | lua> "what nick are you on" |
| 02:09.32 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: what nick are you on |
| 02:09.35 | Xinhuan | there that one |
| 02:09.36 | Xinhuan | PM it |
| 02:09.54 | Lukian | cheers |
| 02:09.57 | dhask | would it be nasty to try "lua> sys.exit()" ? |
| 02:10.04 | Xinhuan | try it. |
| 02:10.20 | dhask | or "lua> dofile('/dev/zero') " ? |
| 02:10.27 | Xinhuan | its in a sandbox |
| 02:10.32 | Xinhuan | so i think those don't work |
| 02:10.40 | dhask | lua> dofile('/dev/zero') |
| 02:10.40 | lua_bot | dhask: [string "dofile('/dev/zero')"]:1: attempt to call global 'dofile' (a nil value) |
| 02:10.42 | Xinhuan | cladhaire challenged us to break his bot once |
| 02:10.44 | dhask | yup! |
| 02:10.53 | dhask | lua> 5/0 |
| 02:10.54 | lua_bot | dhask: inf |
| 02:11.32 | dhask | lukian, let me know when you're done using lua_bot |
| 02:11.52 | Lukian | dhask, done for now, just a simple query |
| 02:11.53 | Xinhuan | lua> print(sys) |
| 02:11.53 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: nil |
| 02:11.58 | MentalPower|DVD | ~logs |
| 02:11.58 | purl | hmm... logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 02:12.03 | Xinhuan | sys.exit() wouldn't run ;p |
| 02:12.09 | dhask | lua> while i == nil do end |
| 02:12.14 | lua_bot | dhask: sandbox.lua:154: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 02:12.17 | dhask | nice! |
| 02:12.26 | Xinhuan | it has a memory check too |
| 02:12.31 | MentalPower|DVD | dhask: while true do end is more efficient :P |
| 02:12.33 | Xinhuan | so you can't run it out of memory either |
| 02:12.44 | dhask | mentalpower, I wasn't really after efficiency ;0 |
| 02:13.58 | Xinhuan | you could have a fancy infinite loop with lua> function f() return f() end f() |
| 02:14.22 | dhask | doubles as a stack overflow |
| 02:14.30 | Kaelten | heh you can try it |
| 02:14.33 | Xinhuan | it won't overflow stack, because of tail calls |
| 02:14.39 | dhask | oh ya, stupid lua tail calls |
| 02:14.51 | Ellipsis | yeah, that won't break the bot |
| 02:14.52 | dhask | well, useful, I guess, but whatever |
| 02:14.53 | *** join/#wowace Adys (n=Adys@APoitiers-257-1-93-168.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 02:16.00 | dhask | lua> _env |
| 02:16.00 | lua_bot | dhask: nil |
| 02:16.10 | dhask | huh. |
| 02:16.13 | dhask | that one shouldn't be nil |
| 02:16.37 | dhask | lua> _env.string |
| 02:16.37 | lua_bot | dhask: [string "return _env.string"]:1: attempt to index global '_env' (a nil value) |
| 02:16.52 | dhask | oh |
| 02:16.56 | dhask | nevermind me, heh |
| 02:17.42 | dhask | ahh, that's the one |
| 02:17.44 | dhask | lua> _G |
| 02:17.44 | lua_bot | dhask: { ["log"] = function: 0x806f710, ["wow"] = { ["strconcat"] = function: 0x8070358, ["strtrim"] = function: 0x80702b0, ["strsplit"] = function: 0x80702e8, ["getglobal"] = function: 0x80978e0, ["strjoin"] = function: 0x8070320, ["debugstack"] = function: 0x8... (result truncated) |
| 02:17.58 | dhask | nice, he's added the wow functions |
| 02:18.22 | CIA-8 | 037destiny * r55584 10BigWigs/ZulAman/Halazzi.lua: BigWigs: koKR update |
| 02:24.44 | xerawx | bah.. return of the 5 minute queue on mal'ganis. you'd think with millions of subscriptions dollars rolling in per month they could figure out a better way to deal with full/empty realms |
| 02:25.53 | dhask | heh heh, my boss just gave me $180 to buy booze for lunch on friday |
| 02:26.03 | xerawx | but then i suppose their wouldn't be quite as much incentive to use their wonderful $25 transfer "service" |
| 02:26.29 | dhask | xerawx, other than the free transfers they offer off heavily populated realms? |
| 02:26.39 | buu | xerawx: Yes! It's all a plot to generate money from their transfer service! |
| 02:26.42 | dylanm | xerawx: I'm staring at the same screen. |
| 02:26.46 | buu | I bet they make at least $200 a month from it! |
| 02:26.54 | dhask | didn't mal'ganis have free transfers off at one point? |
| 02:27.25 | xerawx | yeah a while back i believe.. and that's better than nothing i suppose but it doesn't solve the problem |
| 02:28.19 | xerawx | a big part of the appeal of an mmo is the massive part |
| 02:28.38 | xerawx | and if their servers can't even handle a city raid after several years of refining |
| 02:28.47 | Keias | People won't want to leave to a a dead server |
| 02:29.06 | buu | Wow isn't massive =[ |
| 02:29.08 | xerawx | that's just it.. people left mal'ganis and it got a little better so then many more wanted to reroll/transfer there |
| 02:29.25 | dylanm | Yeah Mal'ganis is damned lively... but I mean really people should not transfers their rogues and crap there. |
| 02:29.26 | buu | Wow is damn near the same as playing d2, except you have slightly more people in your party occasionally. |
| 02:29.41 | dylanm | *transfer |
| 02:31.20 | dylanm | Ah finally in |
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| 02:32.40 | Xinhuan | hmm there are 1312 semicolons in one of my addons |
| 02:32.49 | Keias | o_O |
| 02:33.00 | Ellipsis | semicolon addict? |
| 02:33.04 | Xinhuan | whats the chances that it will continue to work if i destroy all traces of them |
| 02:33.09 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan, you must have my babies |
| 02:34.19 | dylanm | There's a habit that needs to die |
| 02:34.19 | *** join/#wowace YourMomsHero (n=cirish@ip24-251-191-203.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 02:34.44 | Diao | lol |
| 02:35.12 | hyperChipmunk | 100% |
| 02:35.20 | hyperChipmunk | unless some are inside tables |
| 02:35.29 | hyperChipmunk | in which case, be sure to replace them with commas |
| 02:35.49 | Xinhuan | actually, another case where it might break is where |
| 02:35.57 | Xinhuan | a=2;b=3;c=5 |
| 02:36.03 | Xinhuan | you would replace them with spaces |
| 02:36.10 | Ellipsis | I dunno about you but I sometimes use semicolons inline for very short code blocks |
| 02:36.13 | hyperChipmunk | not if you replace with spaces |
| 02:36.26 | hyperChipmunk | wasn't the question though |
| 02:36.29 | dylanm | Do that and then trim off the ends |
| 02:36.34 | hyperChipmunk | question was if it'd continue to work |
| 02:36.45 | Ellipsis | e.g. if failurecondition then oldtable = nil; return; end |
| 02:36.59 | hyperChipmunk | yeah, but that's just readability |
| 02:37.09 | Ellipsis | o rly? |
| 02:37.13 | hyperChipmunk | if failurecondition then oldtable = nil return end is just as valid |
| 02:37.26 | Ellipsis | I didn't think lua parsing was that smart |
| 02:38.20 | dispel | any one here play on frostmourne? |
| 02:38.20 | hyperChipmunk | lua> if true then print("foo") else print("bar") end |
| 02:38.21 | lua_bot | hyperChipmunk: foo |
| 02:38.40 | hyperChipmunk | lua> if true then print("foo") print("baz") else print("bar") end |
| 02:38.40 | lua_bot | hyperChipmunk: foo, baz |
| 02:38.47 | Ellipsis | neat |
| 02:38.54 | Ellipsis | ya learn something new every day |
| 02:41.13 | Xinhuan | lua> print(i) for i = 1, 4 do end print(i) |
| 02:41.14 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: nil, nil |
| 02:41.24 | hyperChipmunk | in fact, you don't even need many spaces, either |
| 02:41.34 | hyperChipmunk | lua> if true then print("foo")print("baz") else print("bar") end |
| 02:41.34 | lua_bot | hyperChipmunk: foo, baz |
| 02:41.39 | Xinhuan | lua> i = 100 print(i) for i = 1, 4 do end print(i) |
| 02:41.39 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 100, 100 |
| 02:41.41 | Ellipsis | x.x |
| 02:41.49 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 02:42.12 | Xinhuan | lua> i = 100 print(i) for i = 1, 4 do print(i) i = 1 end print(i) |
| 02:42.12 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 100, 1, 2, 3, 4, 100 |
| 02:42.19 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 02:42.28 | Xinhuan | protected loop counter what the hell |
| 02:42.31 | Cyerie | I want to make a stupid little addon; does anyone have a suggestion for a tool I could use to code? |
| 02:42.32 | Ellipsis | hax |
| 02:42.45 | KarlThePagan | looks like it assumes all variables are local |
| 02:44.56 | _rane | are there any addons for tracking spells' diminishing returns? |
| 02:45.19 | SP|Sorren | your diminishing returns or other's? |
| 02:45.53 | _rane | primarily mine |
| 02:45.56 | buu | ELLIPSIS HELLO. |
| 02:46.02 | Ellipsis | y helo thar |
| 02:46.04 | CIA-8 | 03morgalm * r55585 10MorgDKP/ (34 files in 8 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 02:46.04 | CIA-8 | MorgDKP: |
| 02:46.04 | CIA-8 | - v6.0 too many changes to list look at the readme or website |
| 02:46.04 | CIA-8 | - TOC 20300 |
| 02:46.04 | CIA-8 | - add $table_prefix ~= eqdkp |
| 02:46.04 | CIA-8 | - changed to entering dir name instead of DB name in morgexport |
| 02:46.06 | CIA-8 | - removed tracking of badges of justice |
| 02:46.09 | SP|Sorren | SorrenTimers will! </shamelessplug> |
| 02:46.12 | buu | Ellipsis: I'm not even going there. |
| 02:46.17 | Ellipsis | ok |
| 02:46.28 | Ellipsis | what's up? |
| 02:46.30 | hyperChipmunk | Cyerie: you can get tinypad and forallindentsandpurposes to help you do coding small add-ons in-game |
| 02:46.46 | Cyerie | hyperChipmunk: Thanks :) |
| 02:47.09 | SP|Sorren | tinypad better than luaslinger? |
| 02:47.10 | buu | Ellipsis: Nothing. |
| 02:47.20 | buu | buubot: be glados > Ellipsis |
| 02:47.21 | Ellipsis | so you just randomly decided to yell at me? |
| 02:47.23 | buu | Yes. |
| 02:47.34 | buu | It seemed like a thing to do. |
| 02:47.43 | Ellipsis | I see |
| 02:48.02 | buu | Ellipsis: I just wanted to fit in. |
| 02:48.04 | buu | And be loved. |
| 02:48.22 | _rane | SP|Sorren: what else is SorrenTimers for? |
| 02:48.33 | buu | Ellipsis: Did you get my message? |
| 02:48.35 | SP|Sorren | well it also times your skill durations >.> |
| 02:48.37 | Ellipsis | yeah |
| 02:48.40 | SP|Sorren | like how much time you have left on sheep |
| 02:48.40 | buu | Oh good. |
| 02:48.43 | Ellipsis | I'm scared of my companion cube now :( |
| 02:48.53 | buu | Ellipsis: The companion cube will not stab you. |
| 02:49.03 | SP|Sorren | but if you just want something to time diminishing returns, i dunno of any mods that do JUST that |
| 02:49.07 | Ellipsis | and that's exactly why I won't destroy it! |
| 02:49.08 | RaydenUni | what is the mage threat dump ability? |
| 02:49.09 | Ellipsis | YOU CAN'T MAKE ME! |
| 02:49.16 | buu | Ellipsis: The test will not continue. |
| 02:49.16 | Ellipsis | invisibility |
| 02:49.26 | RaydenUni | and you only get that at lvl 68? |
| 02:49.28 | Ellipsis | buu: the cake is a lie anyway |
| 02:49.35 | buu | Ellipsis: Regulations prevent the companion cube from remaining alone and companionless. |
| 02:49.38 | RaydenUni | so mages had no threat reduction ability pre BC? |
| 02:49.39 | buu | Ellipsis: It isn't! |
| 02:49.47 | buu | Ellipsis: I've seen it. |
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| 02:50.14 | Gnarfoz | RaydenUni: as did warlocks |
| 02:50.15 | kenlyric | THEY HAD ICE BLOCK |
| 02:50.23 | Gnarfoz | that's just OH SHIT AGGRO |
| 02:50.23 | RaydenUni | interesting |
| 02:50.26 | Gnarfoz | not aggro reduction ^^ |
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| 02:50.31 | kenlyric | Gnarfoz: same thing. |
| 02:50.34 | *** join/#wowace Hotphoenix (n=blah@87.112.5.235.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net) |
| 02:50.39 | Gnarfoz | how so Oo |
| 02:50.47 | Ellipsis | yeah, mages and locks didn't have any threat wipes before tbc |
| 02:50.49 | Gnarfoz | ice block makes stuff pound on you, then you die :D |
| 02:51.01 | SP|Sorren | gives time for the tank to take it back though :p |
| 02:51.05 | Gnarfoz | invisibility keeps things from pounding on you ^^ |
| 02:51.18 | Gnarfoz | yeah, no... most bosses aren't tauntable :D |
| 02:51.25 | RaydenUni | priests still have no threat dump :( |
| 02:51.27 | SP|Sorren | dont have to taunt |
| 02:51.33 | *** part/#wowace Murazorz (n=Murazorz@c80-216-144-221.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 02:51.37 | SP|Sorren | they can build aggro during the ice block duration o.O |
| 02:51.43 | Gnarfoz | 'course |
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| 02:51.53 | xerawx | priests have a threat dump.. its called spirit of redemption XD |
| 02:51.56 | Gnarfoz | anyway, talk warlocks, they don't even have ice block |
| 02:52.00 | Ellipsis | xerawx wins the thread |
| 02:52.14 | Ellipsis | yeah, our only threat dump is a 50%, not even a complete wipe :( |
| 02:52.17 | Gnarfoz | shamans, too. redemption/ankh -.- 1hr cd |
| 02:52.46 | Gnarfoz | it's not even called redemption, that's the paladin rez ^^ |
| 02:53.13 | SP|Sorren | warlocks were mushrooms for most of pre-bc, they didnt need a threat dump imo |
| 02:53.16 | Gnarfoz | 720824/753700 ( 96%) 32876 to go (114% rested) |
| 02:53.33 | Gnarfoz | there be shrooms around? |
| 02:54.04 | SP|Sorren | did they about as much damage to a boss back then as a mushroom growing on a log, imo |
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| 02:54.53 | starlon | Anyone know why my addon's fubar plugin doesn't have "Show Text" "Show Icon" etc...? |
| 02:55.00 | hyperChipmunk | SP|Sorren: I've not used LuaSlinger, so I couldn't say |
| 02:55.08 | starlon | Is there a field that toggles that? |
| 02:55.40 | hyperChipmunk | starlon: it isn't necessary that every plugin has that |
| 02:56.07 | hyperChipmunk | also, sometimes they're in a submenu, usually called FuBar Options or Plugin Options |
| 02:56.15 | starlon | hyperChipmunk, I'd like that for mine though. |
| 02:56.23 | starlon | It used to have it. |
| 02:56.38 | hyperChipmunk | oh, hm |
| 02:57.23 | Antiarc | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/movies.html = lawls |
| 02:57.31 | Antiarc | Mr T = Win |
| 02:57.36 | RaydenUni | yep |
| 02:57.53 | hyperChipmunk | starlon: did you register a DB? |
| 02:59.09 | starlon | Hmm yeah. I changed the fubar plugin to its own variable. It used to be in the same variable with the db. I bet that's it. |
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| 02:59.35 | hyperChipmunk | set self.independentProfile = true |
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| 03:15.47 | starlon | hyperChipmunk, nah that didn't do it. |
| 03:17.08 | CIA-8 | 03xinhuan * r55586 10BankItems/ (BankItems.lua localization-enUS.lua): BankItems: Added search filters to choose which bags to search. |
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| 03:22.22 | starlon | Here's the code I'm talking about - http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/DebuffAlarm/DebuffAlarm.lua |
| 03:22.50 | starlon | If I make DebuffAlarm a FuBar plugin, that plugin has the options. |
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| 03:29.39 | CIA-8 | 03sayclub * r55587 10GemHelper/GemHelper_Localization.koKR.lua: GemHelper: koKR Update |
| 03:31.08 | starlon | Here's what it looks like http://starlon.lyrical.net/images/WoWScrnShot_112007_212309.jpg, here's what I'd like it to look like http://starlon.lyrical.net/images/WoWScrnShot_112007_212839.jpg |
| 03:34.57 | starlon | What would really fix all of this is a way to hide the plugin's minimap icon that shows up when no FuBar's available. |
| 03:37.21 | CIA-8 | 03helium * r55588 10GloryLib/Glory-2.0/Glory-2.0.lua: GloryLib: update zhTW localization |
| 03:38.22 | dhask | ahaha, I have vi on my ipod touch |
| 03:38.26 | nymbia | what the 417 person realm queue |
| 03:38.38 | dhask | nymbia, which server? |
| 03:38.43 | nymbia | illidan |
| 03:38.52 | nymbia | (us) |
| 03:42.09 | Xinhuan | highest queue i've seen on my queue is 4k |
| 03:42.19 | Xinhuan | realm* |
| 03:43.35 | nymbia | not bad, i've never seen above 2000ish |
| 03:43.39 | nymbia | and that was release day |
| 03:44.30 | Xinhuan | it was 4k for over 2 months |
| 03:44.40 | Xinhuan | we had entire guilds BOT just to stay online |
| 03:44.43 | kenlyric | dhask: do you touch in command mode? |
| 03:44.56 | Xinhuan | so we don't have to queue for 1.5 hours when we got back home from work |
| 03:45.08 | Xinhuan | i.e a bot that jumped every 2 minutes to prevent afk logout |
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| 03:46.36 | TNSe | wow |
| 03:46.44 | TNSe | blizzard actually managed to make AV boring |
| 03:47.06 | TNSe | before it was atleast some competition to beat the other faction at killing the boss |
| 03:47.13 | Xinhuan | blizzard gauranteed the game to end in less than an hour though, even if either side turtled |
| 03:47.16 | TNSe | now its just PURE pointless gankfest |
| 03:47.51 | TNSe | atleast AV let crappily geared warriors have their fun before |
| 03:48.03 | TNSe | now crappily geared warriors are a problem to your team and you dont want them there. |
| 03:48.13 | Xinhuan | not really |
| 03:48.21 | Xinhuan | AVs on my Battlegroup hasn't changed much |
| 03:48.27 | TNSe | on mine they have |
| 03:48.28 | Xinhuan | still the same rush to general |
| 03:48.35 | Xinhuan | with more people willing to defend now |
| 03:48.42 | TNSe | except that those shitty warriors who noone cared about before |
| 03:48.46 | Xinhuan | and that's only because when you rez, you rez back at abse |
| 03:48.51 | TNSe | now keep on going dead 150 times in 10 minutes |
| 03:48.53 | TNSe | causing you to lose |
| 03:49.13 | TNSe | "Stupid MS warrior with 8000 hp: Killing blows : 1 Deaths: 150" |
| 03:49.43 | TNSe | before that was just humor value watching them die all the time |
| 03:49.47 | TNSe | now it fucking ruins the bg |
| 03:54.29 | Antiarc | "I've just installed all addons using the Wowaceupdater.exe to my Interface/addons folder and run the game. As all in all i had about 603 addons running at the same time. The loading screen took about 1:5 minute to load on a Core 2 duo / 2 GB Ram PC." |
| 03:54.31 | Antiarc | .............. |
| 03:54.43 | Ellipsis | welcome to today, Antiarc |
| 03:56.00 | kenlyric | 603 isn't even close to all of them. |
| 03:57.53 | Xinhuan | he didn't install the TOC out of date ones |
| 03:58.02 | Xinhuan | i.e he only installed the ones with TOC 20300 |
| 03:58.11 | Xinhuan | the ones not striked out on WAU |
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| 04:03.11 | Xuerian | Is anyone getting horrid lag mid-combat all of a sudden? |
| 04:03.20 | kenlyric | guess he installed embedded. |
| 04:03.28 | kenlyric | since Ace2 isn't 20300 ready :) |
| 04:05.58 | cchome | anyone know how u get the gems from using apexis shards? |
| 04:06.25 | Wobwork | gems? |
| 04:06.44 | Wobwork | from the depleted thingies? |
| 04:06.47 | Ellipsis | you have to do that invasion event thingy |
| 04:14.14 | kenlyric | didn't they add a setting in 2.3 that unshifts you if you try to do something that can be done in a shape? |
| 04:14.19 | kenlyric | or was that only for shadowform? |
| 04:14.25 | Wobwork | dwuid |
| 04:14.27 | kenlyric | *can't |
| 04:14.28 | hyperChipmunk | it defaults on |
| 04:14.32 | hyperChipmunk | you can turn it off |
| 04:14.35 | Xinhuan | ok, why does WAU remove LibRock-1.0.lua from the SavedVars folder on doing a SV cleanup operation? |
| 04:14.37 | kenlyric | it doesn't work. |
| 04:14.51 | Wobwork | Xinhuan: why does LibRock have a SV? |
| 04:15.06 | Xinhuan | i don't know why, but it does, because there is a SavedVar for it in the TOC |
| 04:15.13 | Wobwork | oh |
| 04:15.16 | Xinhuan | for LibRock-1.0 |
| 04:15.20 | Wobwork | bizzare |
| 04:15.46 | Xinhuan | in any case, WAU shouldn't be removing it? |
| 04:15.46 | Xinhuan | that SV was for unit tests as far as i know |
| 04:15.49 | kenlyric | oh, it only works on abilities. |
| 04:15.52 | kenlyric | not on items. |
| 04:16.05 | Wobwork | oh, yes. |
| 04:16.12 | Wobwork | spells and suchlike |
| 04:16.24 | Wobwork | You'd need a macro for items |
| 04:16.44 | kenlyric | or, be lazy and enable another automaton module. That's two! |
| 04:20.57 | dhask | ok! |
| 04:21.09 | dhask | one 1.1.2 ipod touch, jailbroken, with 1.1.2 "missing" apps |
| 04:22.46 | Fisker- | apple n00b |
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| 04:29.16 | silentium | Xinhuan: this item validating speedup thing is tricky |
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| 04:29.51 | silentium | as long as you only try to validate items the server "likes", you can validate them as fast as you want |
| 04:30.31 | silentium | but as soon as you run into an item ID it can't validate, you seem to get punished for the speed you had before, while scanning the valid items |
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| 04:31.20 | silentium | I've tried scanning every 5 seconds after validated items, and only every 15 seconds after items that couldnt be validated, and still got disconnected sometimes |
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| 04:34.27 | silentium | I didn't concentrate on valid/invalid items all the time of course, but the disconnects seemed to happen after multiple items got validated successfully and then a few items stayed invalid |
| 04:35.44 | Elgrim | Ellipsis, hello honi! |
| 04:35.50 | Elgrim | you there? |
| 04:36.16 | Elgrim | I need some advice, building my compilation |
| 04:38.55 | harldephin | i'm having an issue with Historian there, causing an error with the fubar/minimap tooltips to not disappear again, only change content/size/position when mousing over icons/bars. // Historian-1.0.1.6\Historian.lua:486: invalid capture index |
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| 04:40.18 | Provus | Does anyone know of an addon to move screen elements? |
| 04:40.42 | CIA-8 | 03kemayo * r55589 10BankStack/ (core.lua sort.lua stack.lua): BankStack: Optimize. (Much, much, *much* less CPU time used.) |
| 04:40.44 | Provus | Like the zone text in the middle of teh screen |
| 04:40.46 | Provus | the* |
| 04:43.34 | Lukian | http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/3341/wowscrnshot112007222904jp0.jpg <- rofl |
| 04:44.18 | CIA-8 | 03kemayo * r55590 10BankStack/sort.lua: BankStack: As part of sorting, stack to specialty bags. |
| 04:44.32 | Elgrim | rofl |
| 04:44.34 | Lukian | Kemayo, can you add a feature to disable sorting? |
| 04:44.54 | Lukian | accidentally clicked it the other day :( |
| 04:45.07 | Kemayo | Lukian: The feature is called "not clicking on it". |
| 04:45.15 | CIA-8 | 03wobin 07Wobin * r55591 10MrPlow/PlowEngine.lua: MrPlow - omg varargs |
| 04:45.36 | Wobwork | Lukian: It's a very advanced feature |
| 04:45.39 | Lukian | Kemayo, not easy to do when it attaches itself to my minimap or fubar and I want to click a button next to it in a hurry! :P |
| 04:45.44 | Wobwork | 9 out of 10 test subject fail to not click |
| 04:46.03 | Kemayo | I was thinking of some sort of customization in the fubar plugin for what does what. |
| 04:46.12 | Kemayo | Haven't decided how to handle it yet, though. |
| 04:46.24 | Lukian | I'd be happy if I could remap "click" to something, sure :) |
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| 04:50.29 | Elgrim | damn i was modding a compilation. and my server goes down... |
| 04:50.31 | Elgrim | arg.. |
| 04:51.04 | Elgrim | http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot112107052831gc4.jpg <- if anyone is interested |
| 04:51.21 | Elgrim | under construction, just made the bottom bar. |
| 04:51.37 | Elgrim | Id like suggestions for buffs/debuffs. |
| 04:52.39 | Wobwork | I hear Vampiric touch is a nice buff |
| 04:52.51 | Elgrim | http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot112107054029ah7.jpg <- configurarion mode |
| 04:52.59 | Elgrim | hehe Wobwork :D |
| 04:53.10 | Elgrim | i mean, buffmod :D and where to put it |
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| 04:59.59 | Provus | Can someone help me do a quick and dirty change to Natur's EnemyCastBar? I'm trying to get the mod to allow me to click through the bars. |
| 05:00.08 | Provus | Any help would be appreciated. |
| 05:00.33 | Antiarc | I cannot not stop cackling at the Mr T commercial |
| 05:00.38 | Antiarc | CACKLING. |
| 05:00.39 | Gngsk | FrameName:EnableMouse(false) |
| 05:00.45 | Provus | XML or LUA? |
| 05:00.54 | Gngsk | lua |
| 05:00.58 | Wobwork | Antiarc: It made me realise I'd forgotten that mohawk was a noun =) |
| 05:01.20 | Gngsk | well, it can be done in XML too I guess |
| 05:02.29 | Provus | Alright I'm trying it now |
| 05:03.00 | Provus | Hmm, that didn't work, do I need to add a new line to of code? I just did a simple search and replace. |
| 05:03.37 | Provus | I can get the name of the frame with Moveit |
| 05:04.37 | Provus | CarniEnemyCastBarFrame |
| 05:04.54 | Provus | So CarniEnemyCastBarFrame:EnableMouse(false) is what I want to do? |
| 05:05.13 | Gngsk | upi |
| 05:05.28 | Gngsk | er, prolly |
| 05:05.29 | Provus | Is that the whole line of code? |
| 05:05.43 | Provus | Do I need to put a 'function' or something before it? Any ifs and ends? |
| 05:05.51 | Gngsk | shouldn't have to |
| 05:06.16 | harldephin | depends on when or where to use it |
| 05:06.21 | Provus | Okay let me add that to the bottom of the file and try this out. |
| 05:06.22 | Gngsk | yeah |
| 05:06.43 | Gngsk | you can't really just add it in willy nilly, becaues there might be a place where it resets it true |
| 05:06.45 | harldephin | just adding it "somewhere" probably doesn't work. |
| 05:06.49 | Provus | Hmm.. attempt to index global 'CarniEnemyCastBarFrame' a nil value |
| 05:07.04 | Provus | I guess this is the wrong LUA file to add it in |
| 05:07.23 | Gngsk | try doing it in game before you add it to the file |
| 05:07.24 | Provus | ..no, this is the right one, I see it mentioned.. |
| 05:07.28 | Provus | In game? How? |
| 05:08.07 | Gngsk | /run |
| 05:08.07 | Provus | Will it remember it next time I boot up the game? |
| 05:08.07 | harldephin | what about /script? |
| 05:08.07 | Gngsk | harldephin, same thing less typing |
| 05:08.07 | harldephin | oh. |
| 05:08.18 | Gngsk | Provus, no but you need to find out the frame name at the least |
| 05:09.10 | Provus | I did /run Carni_ECB_1:EnableMouse(false), I found out the name of the frame with moveit, it turns out CarniEnemyCastBarFrame is the master frame. |
| 05:09.33 | Provus | It worked. |
| 05:09.38 | Provus | But that's only the first bar |
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| 05:11.09 | Provus | It can have up to 25 bars.. |
| 05:11.22 | Gngsk | disabling the master frame doesn't work? |
| 05:11.25 | Provus | Nope. |
| 05:11.28 | Provus | I tried. |
| 05:11.43 | Gngsk | guess you'll have to iterate over all it's children and disable them each individually |
| 05:11.54 | Provus | Since there's only up to 25 bars that won't be hard |
| 05:12.21 | Provus | But yeah, a simple reloadui whipes the setting so I need to add it to the LUA someho |
| 05:12.22 | Provus | how* |
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| 05:12.29 | Provus | I got a nil value error last time I tried. |
| 05:12.49 | harldephin | if frames don't explicitely inherit those setting from their parent frames, that's either you change the frames directly or change the single settings one by one. |
| 05:13.06 | Provus | You kind of reiterated what he just said. |
| 05:13.21 | harldephin | is that a bad thing? |
| 05:13.37 | Provus | I guess not. So I'll just change all the child frames. |
| 05:13.45 | Provus | Only 25, should be easy with a bit of copying and pasting. |
| 05:14.19 | Provus | I just need to figure out how. |
| 05:14.32 | harldephin | how? or where |
| 05:14.48 | Provus | How. Like I said, I tried adding it to the end of the LUA file but it gave me a nil value error when I reloaded the ui |
| 05:15.12 | harldephin | either create a new add-on.. or find a function within that add-on that's being executed at initialization. probably something like function Blabla_Init(). then add your line to its end and try. |
| 05:16.21 | Provus | Okay I think I found a part. |
| 05:16.23 | Provus | -- initialize addon from settings now |
| 05:16.23 | Provus | if (CEnemyCastBar.bTempFPSBar) then |
| 05:16.23 | Provus | CECB_FPSBarFree:Show(); |
| 05:16.28 | Provus | and so on |
| 05:16.29 | Provus | And so on. |
| 05:17.12 | Provus | No.. that doesn't seem to be what I'm after is it.. |
| 05:18.03 | Provus | There's a lot of inits, I'm looking for a good one. |
| 05:19.30 | harldephin | function CEnemyCastBar_OnLoad() |
| 05:20.17 | Provus | Oh, I found something. How about if I put them all under 'function CEnemyCastBar_DefaultVars()' |
| 05:20.43 | Provus | Bunch of stuff listed here, no ifs or anything |
| 05:21.38 | Provus | Let's see if this works |
| 05:22.01 | harldephin | that depends on when that function is being executed |
| 05:22.13 | harldephin | DefaultVars sets default variables when there is no bar at all |
| 05:22.25 | Provus | Shit. It didn't work. |
| 05:22.26 | harldephin | so that's probably just when the add-on's being executed for the first time |
| 05:22.38 | harldephin | try _OnLoad() |
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| 05:22.42 | Provus | Okay. |
| 05:24.18 | Provus | Didn't work. The addon refused to boot. |
| 05:24.25 | Provus | Sec. |
| 05:25.09 | Provus | Yeah, it wouldn't boot with that in there. |
| 05:25.20 | Provus | Just removed it and reloaded ui and it came back up |
| 05:26.10 | Provus | Isn't there an addon out there that remembers these kind of tweaks? TinyPad or something? |
| 05:26.58 | Provus | Here's one, LuaSlinger |
| 05:27.09 | Provus | Oh this is real old, |
| 05:27.13 | Provus | Let me see if TinyPad is up to date |
| 05:28.49 | hyperChipmunk | old doesn't mean busted |
| 05:28.50 | sedai| | [2007/11/20 22:19:28-607-x1]: DBM_API\API.lua:1252: attempt to call method 'SetFont' (a nil value)DBM_API\API.lua:1277: in function `OnEvent'<string>:"*:OnEvent":1: in function <[string "*:OnEvent"]:1> |
| 05:28.59 | hyperChipmunk | TinyPad works beautifully and it's nearly a year old |
| 05:29.53 | Provus | Alright, I put in TinyPad. Let me see what I can do with it |
| 05:30.07 | sedai| | cartographer gives me errors, think its something to do with noteshare |
| 05:30.35 | Provus | I turn LUA errors off unless I'm expecting an error or something doesn't seem to be working |
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| 05:31.17 | Provus | TinyPad says Incompatible. |
| 05:31.26 | Provus | WoW won't boot it |
| 05:32.02 | Provus | Oh here's one that's BC compatible |
| 05:32.10 | Provus | 1.51 |
| 05:32.11 | Provus | I had 1.4 |
| 05:32.20 | Elgrim | what tinypad do? |
| 05:32.47 | Provus | Let's you make LUA tweaks for one |
| 05:33.51 | hyperChipmunk | http://69.14.77.214/tpad.jpg |
| 05:34.05 | hyperChipmunk | that's TinyPad + ForAllIndentsAndPurposes |
| 05:35.02 | Provus | Where do I get that second addon |
| 05:35.12 | hyperChipmunk | both at wowinterface.com |
| 05:36.19 | Provus | Question, does LUA code accept * as a wild card? |
| 05:36.34 | hyperChipmunk | 1.52 is the latest version of tinypad; lastest version of FAIAP is 17 |
| 05:36.42 | hyperChipmunk | not directly, no |
| 05:37.03 | hyperChipmunk | it has a sort of half-brained regex syntax |
| 05:38.54 | Provus | Well this is a bit of an issue. TinyPad won't run the LUA script on start up? |
| 05:39.05 | Provus | I had to open it up and run it before the change took effec. |
| 05:39.06 | Provus | effect* |
| 05:39.11 | hyperChipmunk | what lua scipt? |
| 05:39.39 | Provus | Just adding Carni_ECB_1:EnableMouse(false) |
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| 05:39.51 | Provus | That's the whole thing really |
| 05:40.12 | hyperChipmunk | that's the sort of thing you'd put in your scratch addon |
| 05:40.41 | Provus | Scratch? |
| 05:40.43 | hyperChipmunk | tinypad is for testing code in-game |
| 05:40.47 | Provus | I see. |
| 05:40.55 | dhask | hmm, I gotta use tinypad |
| 05:40.55 | hyperChipmunk | yeah, whatever addon you put your random bits of code in |
| 05:40.58 | dhask | I use phoenix devpad atm |
| 05:41.03 | dhask | but it's never worked quite right since 2.0 |
| 05:41.42 | dhask | does tinypad let you treat an entered script as an event handler |
| 05:41.42 | dhask | ? |
| 05:41.46 | Provus | Okay I think I found a line of code to put EnableMouse in. |
| 05:42.00 | Provus | getglobal("Carni_ECB_1"):SetPoint("TOPLEFT", "UIParent", "TOPLEFT", 50, -500); This is the line of code, tell me if I add this right |
| 05:42.07 | hyperChipmunk | if you dont' have one, make a folder called RandomStuff in it, with a RandomStuff.toc that loads RandomStuff.lua, and then stick all the stuff you want run every time in RandomStuff.lua |
| 05:42.10 | Provus | getglobal("Carni_ECB_1"):SetPoint("TOPLEFT", "UIParent", "TOPLEFT", 50, -500);Carni_ECB_1:EnableMouse(false); This is the line of code, tell me if I add this right |
| 05:42.13 | Provus | woops |
| 05:42.18 | Provus | getglobal("Carni_ECB_1"):SetPoint("TOPLEFT", "UIParent", "TOPLEFT", 50, -500);EnableMouse(false); This is the line of code, tell me if I add this right |
| 05:42.22 | Provus | Right or wrong? |
| 05:42.34 | Provus | I'm not sure what to seperate those two things with. |
| 05:42.46 | Provus | I put a semicolon there since that's what it was ended with. |
| 05:42.49 | hyperChipmunk | either a semicolon, a space, or nothing |
| 05:43.00 | hyperChipmunk | lua doesn't care |
| 05:43.06 | hyperChipmunk | it just ignores semicolons |
| 05:43.38 | hyperChipmunk | but you can put it in there if it helps you |
| 05:43.44 | hyperChipmunk | but it'll get overwritten if you ever update the addon if you do it there |
| 05:43.44 | Provus | Just tried it, didn't seem to change anything, this is giving me a headache |
| 05:43.51 | Provus | Something simple got complicated real fast. |
| 05:44.02 | Wobwork | that's what usually happens |
| 05:44.02 | hyperChipmunk | oh wait |
| 05:44.22 | hyperChipmunk | EnableMouse(false) won't do anything on its own |
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| 05:44.41 | Provus | ? Yeah it will, I did a /run script on WoW and it did what I wanted it to do |
| 05:45.04 | Provus | I just can't figure out how to add it to the code since I'm a total LUA noob. |
| 05:45.12 | hyperChipmunk | no |
| 05:45.27 | hyperChipmunk | you did Carni_something:EnableMouse(false) |
| 05:45.33 | hyperChipmunk | this time you just did EnableMouse |
| 05:45.41 | hyperChipmunk | there's a gigantic difference =) |
| 05:46.12 | Provus | I figured it would be redundant since it's in a line of code that had ECB_1 in it |
| 05:46.16 | hyperChipmunk | nope |
| 05:46.25 | hyperChipmunk | lines don't mean a thing |
| 05:46.37 | hyperChipmunk | you're starting a new statement |
| 05:46.44 | hyperChipmunk | it would do just as well on the next line |
| 05:46.49 | hyperChipmunk | and be easier to read |
| 05:46.57 | harldephin | the function EnableMouse doesn't know which frame to be applied to, if you don't specify it |
| 05:47.25 | hyperChipmunk | and, like i said, it'd be even easier to do it in a personal add-on so that it doesn't get overwritten when you update that addon |
| 05:48.13 | harldephin | [06:15:12] <harldephin> either create a new add-on.. |
| 05:48.28 | hyperChipmunk | you only need to make it once, and you'll wonder how you ever lived without it |
| 05:48.34 | Provus | Creating a new addon isn't going to work it seems. |
| 05:48.37 | hyperChipmunk | then all your personal tweaks can go in there |
| 05:48.42 | harldephin | why not |
| 05:48.52 | Provus | Apparently the way it generates new bars is dynamic.. |
| 05:49.03 | Provus | I've been getting errors when I go past ECB_1 |
| 05:49.15 | hyperChipmunk | if you can do it in tinypad, you can do it in your own addon |
| 05:49.17 | Provus | It's treating ECB_2 like it doesn't exist until it's actually there. |
| 05:49.28 | Provus | It's only letting me affect the first bar the way I'm doing it. |
| 05:49.31 | hyperChipmunk | well, that's a problem |
| 05:50.02 | hyperChipmunk | you would have to either overwrite the original function with one that disables the mouse, if its not local to that file, or edit the file itself |
| 05:50.16 | harldephin | well that's obvious, since there's nearly no static xml |
| 05:50.18 | Gngsk | couldn't you hook the function that creates the frame? |
| 05:50.29 | Provus | I tried. |
| 05:50.30 | Provus | It didn't work. |
| 05:50.34 | Provus | Wait |
| 05:50.38 | Provus | I misunderstood you |
| 05:50.55 | Provus | I tried doing it to the master frame but it didn't do anything. I'm trying to hook that function to the thing that creates the frame, but I ran into a problem. |
| 05:50.59 | Provus | Namely, the problem is, I have no idea what I'm doing. |
| 05:51.04 | hyperChipmunk | dude doesn't understand a lick of lua, Gngsk |
| 05:51.06 | hyperChipmunk | lol |
| 05:51.11 | Gngsk | oh, right |
| 05:51.13 | Gngsk | ok, nvm then |
| 05:51.29 | Provus | Well I understand logic, and that's what LUA is based off of as is all programming language, and I can sort of make guesses. |
| 05:51.46 | hyperChipmunk | you're looking to do something that requires a bit more familiarity with the language at that point |
| 05:52.12 | Provus | I think I found something that is similiar to a 'wild card' |
| 05:52.17 | Provus | getglobal("Carni_ECB_"..i):ClearAllPoints(); |
| 05:52.27 | Provus | It cuts off before the number, does a "..i |
| 05:52.32 | hyperChipmunk | right |
| 05:52.39 | hyperChipmunk | that i is probably set in a for loop somewhere |
| 05:52.55 | Provus | This part of the file seems to deal with the creation of new bars so I need to hook the function somewhere in here. |
| 05:53.29 | hyperChipmunk | you mean rewrite |
| 05:53.36 | Provus | rewrite? |
| 05:53.40 | Provus | I don't understand. |
| 05:53.53 | hyperChipmunk | 'hooking' is calling a different function from a different place whenever the 'hooked' function is called |
| 05:53.59 | hyperChipmunk | you're just editing the original right in the file |
| 05:54.23 | Provus | Alright, rewrite then. I got to figure out where to put this line of code so that EnableMouse is false on whatever bar is created.. |
| 05:54.31 | hyperChipmunk | right =) |
| 05:54.49 | hyperChipmunk | look for CreateFrame >8) |
| 05:55.06 | Provus | Huh. I see something in the LUA code, it's calling for something called CarniEnemyCastBarTemplate which isn't mentioned anywhere else in the LUA file. XML? |
| 05:55.13 | harldephin | that file is kind of a mess to me |
| 05:56.03 | Gngsk | find the definition of that template in the XML file and add EnableMouse="false" to it |
| 05:56.05 | Gngsk | voila |
| 05:56.32 | Provus | This might be it.. <Button name="CarniEnemyCastBarTemplate" virtual="true" hidden="true" movable="true" enableMouse="true"> |
| 05:56.39 | dhask | lua> string.format(".2f", 43.33141341) |
| 05:56.39 | lua_bot | dhask: .2f, |
| 05:56.47 | dhask | lua> string.format("%.2f", 43.33141341) |
| 05:56.47 | lua_bot | dhask: 43.33, |
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| 05:56.56 | Provus | Let me change that to false and reloadiu |
| 05:56.58 | dhask | lua> string.format("%.2f%%", 43.33141341) |
| 05:56.59 | lua_bot | dhask: 43.33%, |
| 05:57.04 | dhask | where's that "," coming from? |
| 05:57.06 | Provus | Damn that wasn't the one. |
| 05:57.13 | dhask | lua> string.format("foo") |
| 05:57.13 | lua_bot | dhask: foo, |
| 05:57.17 | dhask | lua> "foo" |
| 05:57.17 | lua_bot | dhask: foo |
| 05:58.27 | Gngsk | Provus, where'd you download the mod? |
| 05:58.50 | Provus | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/2786/ |
| 05:59.26 | Provus | I really need to learn LUA. |
| 05:59.50 | hyperChipmunk | Provus: http://www.lua.org/pil |
| 05:59.56 | Aens|Superiority | Anyone here know if you have to pull all of supremus' trash? |
| 05:59.59 | hyperChipmunk | the best 2h of your life you'll ever spend |
| 06:00.25 | Diao | hm |
| 06:00.29 | Diao | Antiarc ping |
| 06:01.17 | Gngsk | Provus, changing true to false on the first button in the xml file didn't work? |
| 06:01.19 | Antiarc | pong |
| 06:01.35 | Provus | It doesn't. Just tried. |
| 06:01.53 | Silowyi | k |
| 06:01.53 | Silowyi | so |
| 06:02.06 | Silowyi | I'm looking at the thread on the forums about the new combat log stuff |
| 06:02.28 | Silowyi | and one thing stands out in stark clarity. Blizz seems to have problems with the definition of a bitmask. |
| 06:02.46 | harldephin | lol? |
| 06:03.14 | Silowyi | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&postId=30548407781&sid=1#9 |
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| 06:03.43 | Gngsk | Provus, did you try just setting the option to lock position? |
| 06:03.48 | Silowyi | oh wait |
| 06:03.58 | Provus | I did not. |
| 06:04.02 | Gngsk | try that |
| 06:04.04 | Silowyi | duh Sil, l2hex |
| 06:04.09 | Provus | How do I do that? |
| 06:04.18 | Gngsk | Provus, check the options? |
| 06:04.33 | Provus | Wait, you mean in the addon itself? |
| 06:04.36 | Gngsk | yes |
| 06:04.58 | Provus | It doesn't work like that. To move the bars you hit a button that makes a line of bars that you have about 15 seconds to move into position. |
| 06:05.17 | Provus | It's essentially always locked outside of those 15 seconds |
| 06:06.30 | Gngsk | well, every time it creates a new bar it sets it's value to true so just editing the XMl wouldn't work |
| 06:07.06 | Provus | Oy. |
| 06:07.53 | Provus | Maybe I should do something less frustrating. Like trying to thread a needle blindfolded.. |
| 06:08.18 | Provus | The part of the mod that creates the new bars starts at function NECBCreateBars(msg) |
| 06:08.36 | Gngsk | try editing the XML file and then commenting out the call to CEnemyCastBar_LockPos() in NECBCreateBars() |
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| 06:09.51 | Provus | So change EnableMouse to false and putting a dash behind CEnemyCastBar_LockPos(); |
| 06:09.55 | Provus | Trying now |
| 06:10.11 | Gngsk | yah |
| 06:10.36 | Provus | unexpected symbol near '-'. Do I need two dashes? |
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| 06:10.44 | Provus | And a space.. |
| 06:11.08 | Provus | Reloading ui with two dashes and space to hopefully comment that out successfully now |
| 06:11.30 | Provus | Okay, no errors, but it didn't change anything. I did both. |
| 06:11.36 | Provus | Still can't click through these bars. |
| 06:17.56 | Provus | I take it the problem is that EnableMouse is true by default? |
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| 06:21.12 | harldephin | no clue. |
| 06:21.47 | CIA-8 | 03nymbia 07Ace3 * r55593 10Quartz/ (14 files in 14 dirs): |
| 06:21.47 | CIA-8 | Quartz: |
| 06:21.47 | CIA-8 | - Make most of the DB and event stuff work. At least to the point that it doesn't error on login. |
| 06:21.47 | CIA-8 | - Still not remotely actually working. |
| 06:23.07 | Provus | Holy shit. |
| 06:23.16 | Provus | I must be the biggest idiot retard that has ever set foot in the universe. |
| 06:23.30 | Gngsk | at least the second biggest |
| 06:24.39 | Provus | There's a setting called Allow Mouse Input that is on by default, it described the function as being able to use keyboard modifiers to be able to delete the bars by clicking on them. Apparently, disabling this option means that you can click -through- them. |
| 06:25.14 | Provus | I'm just going to go kill myself now. |
| 06:25.21 | Gngsk | I told you to look in the options, nub. |
| 06:25.24 | Provus | I did |
| 06:25.31 | harldephin | does it? i could still move the fps and latency bar |
| 06:25.31 | Provus | But the way it was described.. |
| 06:25.39 | harldephin | not that i'd need those anyway |
| 06:25.49 | Provus | It doesn't actually say disabling it would allow you to click through the bars |
| 06:26.03 | Provus | It just said the function was so that you can hold down shift and control to do shit to them. |
| 06:26.18 | Provus | I figured it to be unrelated. |
| 06:26.22 | Provus | I was very wrong |
| 06:27.25 | Provus | God damn it was under my nose the whole time, Mr. T's night elf mohawk must be pitying me something awful right now. |
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| 06:28.30 | harldephin | hm, i see. it's meant to work for the cast bars, but not the rest. cleverness.. |
| 06:29.28 | Silowyi | ok |
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| 06:29.52 | Provus | http://xs221.xs.to/xs221/07473/wipinterface.PNG Behold what I've been working on for the past week. |
| 06:30.00 | Silowyi | to get wau running without externals I turn on Delete Before Updating and Automatic Dependency Download... then turn off Default Mode WITH Externals? |
| 06:30.18 | Effah | sup folks. have an annoyingly simple question... |
| 06:30.22 | harldephin | Provus: what is it? |
| 06:30.47 | Provus | My new interface. I've put more work into this interface than I've put into any other one I've ever put together. |
| 06:30.54 | Silowyi | oh well nothing ventured nothing gained *tries it* |
| 06:31.15 | Effah | What function returns the name of the player currently logged in? |
| 06:31.30 | duaiwe | unitname("player") |
| 06:31.41 | Effah | ffs. Why did that elude me for so long. thx. |
| 06:31.50 | Silowyi | btw |
| 06:31.51 | harldephin | hm. interface. i see. |
| 06:31.54 | duaiwe | because you didn't check wowwiki |
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| 06:32.29 | Effah | dwaiwe: I did, but my tired eyes probably scanned over it and something didn't click |
| 06:34.41 | Silowyi | wtf is this stupid thing updating with externals |
| 06:34.50 | Silowyi | it says Default Mode: No Externals |
| 06:34.56 | Silowyi | but it's updating with externals |
| 06:34.58 | Silowyi | *sigh* |
| 06:35.09 | Silowyi | wtb: wau working as specified |
| 06:37.21 | Silowyi | yay I think I got it working |
| 06:37.33 | Gngsk | you'd prolly have a better chance at getting a working wau if you were to actually buy it |
| 06:38.04 | Silowyi | I don't expect free software to do everything. |
| 06:38.12 | Silowyi | I just expect it to do what it says, mine included :) |
| 06:38.49 | Elgrim | Anyone know if there is some way to get ElkBuffBars to sort or mark target debuffs so that I can identify those that I have put on target? |
| 06:39.12 | Silowyi | EBB does target debuffs? cool I'll have to play with that |
| 06:39.23 | Elgrim | yea |
| 06:39.24 | Elgrim | sec |
| 06:39.30 | Elgrim | ill illustrate my problem |
| 06:39.33 | Gngsk | Provus, that's an amazing amount of action buttons |
| 06:39.48 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. |
| 06:40.04 | sag_ich_nicht | the new volley animation |
| 06:40.06 | sag_ich_nicht | is fucking awesome |
| 06:40.20 | Elgrim | http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot112107073005zx9.jpg <- my ElkBuffBars problem illustrated |
| 06:40.23 | Silowyi | damnit I reinstalled missrate somehow |
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| 06:40.28 | sag_ich_nicht | i never saw it in motion until that SV heroic run i had earlier |
| 06:40.32 | sag_ich_nicht | and i was like |
| 06:40.46 | sag_ich_nicht | "what's thaGOD DAMN IT THAT NEW VOLLEY ANIMATION IS AWESOME" |
| 06:40.56 | Tekkub | you know, this is why I HATE people putting tutorials and shit on the forums and not the wiki |
| 06:41.07 | Tekkub | can't find that state header thread that WAS a sticky |
| 06:41.21 | sag_ich_nicht | LOL |
| 06:41.31 | sag_ich_nicht | i've been looking for that same thread ~8 hours ago |
| 06:41.44 | Silowyi | tbh |
| 06:41.50 | Tekkub | when I find it, I'm copy/pasting it over to the wiki |
| 06:42.08 | Silowyi | the new volley animation looks like hyperphallic pissing imo. |
| 06:42.08 | Tekkub | other reason: the forums are FUCKING SLOW |
| 06:42.37 | Tekkub | less like pissing and more like marking territory + nice hyperbolic arch |
| 06:42.49 | sag_ich_nicht | well _I_ think it looks awesome |
| 06:43.00 | SP|Sorren | should replace the volley noise with porn grunts, imo |
| 06:43.03 | SP|Sorren | or gruuls grunts |
| 06:43.13 | Tekkub | I like it more than the old one, but the "spray" and the sound... yea marking territory |
| 06:43.46 | Aens|Superiority | SP|Sorren: do you know where Obsidian went? |
| 06:44.01 | SP|Sorren | he quit the game |
| 06:44.06 | Aens|Superiority | oh |
| 06:44.14 | SP|Sorren | he ims me every now and then telling me how bored he is though |
| 06:44.32 | Arrowmaster | this is getting annoying, between new wow 2.3 and new vent 3.0 my graphics card drivers keep crashing when running both |
| 06:44.57 | Elgrim | Ok, here is a UI compilation i put together tonight. Comments, Suggestions plz gife |
| 06:44.59 | Elgrim | http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot112107073005zx9.jpg |
| 06:45.00 | Tekkub | are the o.forum searchs just fucking broken? |
| 06:45.03 | Tekkub | ugh |
| 06:45.19 | Arrowmaster | the search is actually enabled again? |
| 06:45.27 | Tekkub | every useful thread I ever see on the forums I'm gonna just transpose to the wiki, this is bullshit |
| 06:45.27 | SP|Sorren | forum searches have never worked well anyway |
| 06:45.45 | Tekkub | no but words like "frame" usually bring back some results |
| 06:46.04 | Silowyi | sag_ich_nicht: One of my friends wants to know if you're German |
| 06:46.46 | SP|Sorren | not updating the toc? |
| 06:48.01 | durcyn | Elgrim: the target buffs make me want to cut myself |
| 06:48.29 | SP|Sorren | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=50956831&sid=1&pageNo=1 that the one Tekkub? |
| 06:48.38 | Tekkub | yea I found it |
| 06:48.46 | SP|Sorren | google gets it right away :O |
| 06:52.13 | Silowyi | a googleFu failure |
| 06:52.29 | Tekkub | didn't even think to hit google :P |
| 06:53.14 | sag_ich_nicht | [07:46] <Silowyi> sag_ich_nicht: One of my friends wants to know if you're German <--nope |
| 06:53.16 | sag_ich_nicht | not german |
| 06:53.17 | sag_ich_nicht | why? :P |
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| 06:53.36 | Silowyi | your name apparently means "Not Telling" |
| 06:53.53 | Silowyi | was that just to have a clever answer for when people asked what your name was? |
| 06:53.56 | Silowyi | "not telling" |
| 06:54.03 | Silowyi | "Oh come on... you can tell me!" |
| 06:54.11 | Silowyi | "not telling!" |
| 06:54.24 | Silowyi | anyway he was curious |
| 06:54.53 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 06:54.58 | sag_ich_nicht | and i'm not german |
| 06:55.02 | Azure | a simple whois would've told you that he seems to be austrian ;) |
| 06:55.09 | sag_ich_nicht | exactly |
| 06:55.09 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 06:55.13 | Silowyi | which is close enough! |
| 06:55.16 | sag_ich_nicht | NO |
| 06:55.18 | sag_ich_nicht | DIE IN A FIRE |
| 06:55.25 | Azure | NO :p |
| 06:55.30 | Azure | and i'm german ;) |
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| 06:56.15 | Azure | schluchtenscheisser ;p |
| 06:56.48 | Azure | but well, we could still flame the swiss :) |
| 06:56.59 | sag_ich_nicht | halt die fresse du geistiger krüppel, ich hasse nicht alle deutschen, egtl. hasse ich nur einen ganz bestimmten, aber dein verhalten bestätigt nur mein vorurteil :( |
| 06:57.02 | sag_ich_nicht | pffff |
| 06:57.07 | sag_ich_nicht | leave the swiss alone |
| 06:57.12 | sag_ich_nicht | that's where my money is |
| 06:57.22 | Silowyi | I onderway owhay anymay eopleay ancay peaksay igpay atinlay inay histay hannelcay. |
| 06:57.47 | Zicon | At least two. |
| 06:57.47 | Azure | geistiger Krüppel? oO You should learn how to recognize a joke.. :p |
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| 06:58.04 | sag_ich_nicht | you should learn to recognize one too |
| 06:58.11 | sag_ich_nicht | i just tend to be harsh |
| 06:58.12 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 06:58.16 | Arrowmaster | can anybody else test the new rep discounts at vendors? i keep getting 10% discount on repair price when it should be 15% or 20% |
| 06:58.17 | sag_ich_nicht | hey |
| 06:58.18 | sag_ich_nicht | vhaarr |
| 06:58.19 | Silowyi | woot I fomented an international conflict |
| 06:58.24 | sag_ich_nicht | stop being a damn dick |
| 06:58.26 | Zicon | And it's too early in the morning for german. |
| 06:58.31 | Azure | haha |
| 06:58.33 | sag_ich_nicht | and change your god damn bugsack |
| 06:58.39 | Silowyi | Arrowmaster let me try |
| 06:58.52 | Silowyi | I'll go look at something on the shatar quartermaster |
| 06:59.13 | Arrowmaster | ive been noticing it on repair prices, havent really checked the normal stuff |
| 06:59.20 | vhaarr | sag_ich_nicht: I have it patched locally, just running with the hook until I know that it works properly |
| 06:59.23 | Silowyi | Warpforged key is 8g... regular price 10g |
| 06:59.28 | sag_ich_nicht | good. |
| 06:59.32 | Zicon | Well. Too early in the morning for languages with a higher ordinal than second. |
| 06:59.42 | Silowyi | not certain about repair prices *checking* |
| 07:00.37 | Arrowmaster | durafu just said honored would have been 2.99g and revered like 2.86g for me but i paid 2.99g to repair at a consortium vendor which im revered with |
| 07:02.05 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster: do you base that on what the popup said, what the tooltip in the "Repair All" button said, or on how much gold you had before and after? |
| 07:02.14 | vhaarr | or something else? |
| 07:02.45 | Arrowmaster | on what automation is printing to my chatlog when it autorepairs |
| 07:03.01 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster: then it's wrong anyway |
| 07:03.10 | vhaarr | the only accurate way is to diff gold before and after |
| 07:03.20 | Arrowmaster | true |
| 07:03.30 | vhaarr | of course it's true |
| 07:03.36 | vhaarr | the correct response is "ah, ok" |
| 07:04.31 | Azure | not "of course, oh greatest of all rabbits!"? p |
| 07:04.50 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. |
| 07:04.51 | sag_ich_nicht | Arrowmaster |
| 07:04.54 | sag_ich_nicht | your code is ugly |
| 07:04.56 | sag_ich_nicht | and a mess |
| 07:04.57 | vhaarr | well whichever suits your typing skills :) |
| 07:05.02 | sag_ich_nicht | and you should be kicked in the balls for it |
| 07:05.04 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 07:05.07 | Arrowmaster | for what? |
| 07:05.07 | sag_ich_nicht | but don't mind me |
| 07:05.23 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster: instead of doing lost of selects in tablet-2.0, perhaps you should just have put a |local _| at the top |
| 07:05.25 | Silowyi | hmm |
| 07:05.28 | Silowyi | repair costs... |
| 07:06.07 | Arrowmaster | vhaarr: didnt think select had any preformance loss |
| 07:06.22 | Arrowmaster | if it does then sure local _ would be better i guess |
| 07:06.36 | vhaarr | it's an extra function call |
| 07:06.51 | vhaarr | which means extra overhead |
| 07:07.10 | Arrowmaster | alright |
| 07:07.14 | vhaarr | which is normally fine, I just thought maybe in tablet it would be better to do it the fast way |
| 07:07.19 | vhaarr | but nevermind |
| 07:07.30 | Arrowmaster | ill change it in a little bit |
| 07:07.55 | vhaarr | naah it's no big deal, it's just what I thought when I read the commit diff |
| 07:09.13 | Silowyi | ok |
| 07:09.22 | Silowyi | DurabilityFu says 4.7s repair cost so that should be... |
| 07:10.34 | Silowyi | 3s 78c if you get 20% off |
| 07:10.49 | Bibi_ | wow |
| 07:10.49 | Bibi_ | The old combat events are no longer generated. All existing combat log AddOns will need to be rewritten. |
| 07:10.53 | Bibi_ | some people won't be happy about this |
| 07:10.57 | Silowyi | and that's what it cost! |
| 07:11.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i get 20% of your mom off |
| 07:11.35 | Arrowmaster | vhaarr: writing to a global has more of a preformance cost than writing to a local right? |
| 07:11.49 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster: yeah |
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| 07:12.27 | Silowyi | Bibi_: looking at what Slouken has been posting, it should be trivially easy to replace parser functions. |
| 07:12.46 | Arrowmaster | so theres probably not much of a difference between how it was and with select's, but just using local _ will deffently be faster |
| 07:12.50 | Bibi_ | no apocalypse ? bah :( |
| 07:13.20 | Silowyi | dum de de dum what's my hunter's name... |
| 07:13.21 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster: what matters the most is that it doesn't write the global, which you have fixed already |
| 07:13.31 | Silowyi | !c us whisperwind Aurica |
| 07:13.40 | Silowyi | !c us whisperwind Shiveneve |
| 07:13.45 | Silowyi | hmm |
| 07:13.52 | Silowyi | !c us whisperwind Silowyi |
| 07:14.04 | Silowyi | !c thraebot where are you? |
| 07:14.41 | Silowyi | !c help |
| 07:14.43 | SP|Sorren | ignoring you out of spite, clearly |
| 07:14.48 | Silowyi | apparently |
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| 07:24.25 | norgs | vhaarr: What's the go with stubby? |
| 07:25.22 | Orionshock | Arrowmaster: you seem to be the global var police ... thanks for the updates :D |
| 07:25.44 | Arrowmaster | i only fixed a few things |
| 07:25.57 | Arrowmaster | theres some im not touching |
| 07:26.04 | Orionshock | lol |
| 07:26.11 | vhaarr | norgs: pardon? |
| 07:27.17 | norgs | sag_ich_nicht mentioned you had found a bug in stubby... |
| 07:27.42 | vhaarr | I never said that |
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| 07:27.53 | norgs | he's lying to me??? |
| 07:27.56 | vhaarr | :P |
| 07:28.08 | vhaarr | well, either he misunderstood something I said, or you misunderstood him |
| 07:28.11 | NightHawkTheSane | he's a damn dirty ape. |
| 07:28.27 | norgs | prolly me |
| 07:28.32 | NightHawkTheSane | er, wait.. maybe thats us in two hundred years. >.> |
| 07:28.48 | norgs | i'm very good at misunderstanding people... i fair excell at it. |
| 07:28.59 | vhaarr | norgs: I'm hooking BugGrabber into Stubby to grab those errors that it just floods the chat frame with if Swatter isn't present |
| 07:29.09 | vhaarr | norgs: so whatever he said it was probably in relation to that |
| 07:29.24 | norgs | ahh, rite |
| 07:29.31 | norgs | anything i can do to help? |
| 07:31.09 | vhaarr | norgs: well, first I thought I'd just hook the ErrorHandler handler in Stubby, but that wouldn't take care of the xpcall that uses callDebugger locally |
| 07:31.29 | vhaarr | norgs: so then I thought maybe I could hook into the Print method in stubby, but it's used for other things than just printing errors, so that's a no go |
| 07:31.47 | Zhinjio | Antiarc: ping |
| 07:32.04 | vhaarr | norgs: so what I'm ending up with is replacing the global Swatter object and creating the methods Swatter.IsEnabled() and Swatter.OnError myself |
| 07:32.05 | norgs | hmm |
| 07:32.23 | vhaarr | which would fool Stubby into believing that swatter is there and give me the errors |
| 07:32.40 | norgs | Want me to expose the errorhandler instead? |
| 07:32.56 | vhaarr | well it is exposed already |
| 07:33.14 | vhaarr | but the xpcall in hookCall uses callDebugger directly |
| 07:33.25 | vhaarr | bypassing ErrorHandler |
| 07:36.16 | CIA-8 | 03next96 * r55594 10Talented_Data/Talented_Data.toc: |
| 07:36.17 | CIA-8 | Talented_Data : |
| 07:36.17 | CIA-8 | - toc koKR Update |
| 07:36.47 | norgs | sounds like your way is pretty good anyhow |
| 07:36.54 | vhaarr | alright |
| 07:37.25 | norgs | plus it works with all current versions of stubby (meaning you don't need people to update) |
| 07:37.32 | vhaarr | yes |
| 07:37.56 | norgs | let me know if you need anything though :) |
| 07:38.13 | vhaarr | thanks, I will |
| 07:42.11 | norgs | vhaarr: this override code is in buggrabber, correct? |
| 07:43.37 | vhaarr | norgs: right |
| 07:43.54 | norgs | excellent |
| 07:44.18 | vhaarr | norgs: http://pastey.net/77737 |
| 07:45.03 | vhaarr | I just added it last night, haven't really tested it |
| 07:45.16 | norgs | looks fine to me |
| 07:45.48 | vhaarr | norgs: any tips on how I can provoke an error to test it? |
| 07:46.36 | sag_ich_nicht | [08:27] <norgs> sag_ich_nicht mentioned you had found a bug in stubby... <--no, you weren't paying attention to what i said to MentalPower. |
| 07:46.37 | norgs | swatter disables when it detects buggrabber loads anyhow, so even if it is loaded it's not really an issue (at least as far as i can think of) |
| 07:47.01 | vhaarr | lol |
| 07:48.07 | norgs | I think sag_ich_nicht might be able to test for you (are you having issues at the moment sag_ich_nicht?) |
| 07:48.16 | sag_ich_nicht | sure :P |
| 07:48.21 | durcyn | nah, keep smacking him. |
| 07:48.23 | sag_ich_nicht | norgs: mentalpower doesn't like that buggrabber/bugsack is disabling swatter |
| 07:48.32 | sag_ich_nicht | (without a beep) |
| 07:48.33 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 07:48.48 | sag_ich_nicht | maybe you should talk to him about that :P |
| 07:49.25 | norgs | well, maybe we can work out a proper way for buggrabber to hook into stubby |
| 07:50.07 | norgs | it'll have to wait for a bit though, cause i don't have much time available for a bit |
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| 07:50.34 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. |
| 07:50.35 | sag_ich_nicht | norgs |
| 07:50.36 | vhaarr | sag_ich_nicht: alright I'll just commit what I have now and you tell me how it works out |
| 07:50.43 | sag_ich_nicht | vhaarr okay |
| 07:51.16 | sag_ich_nicht | norgs: what happened to enabling bottom scanner then pressing the auctioneer scan button to catch all the stuff that isn't at the bottom page? no worky anymore :( |
| 07:51.23 | CIA-8 | 03rabbit * r55595 10!BugGrabber/BugGrabber.lua: !BugGrabber: Attempt to grab errors handled by Stubby. |
| 07:51.25 | vhaarr | sag_ich_nicht: ^ |
| 07:51.36 | sag_ich_nicht | ? |
| 07:52.03 | norgs | sag_ich_nicht: buggered if i know... can't say i've actually played much in the last month, really. |
| 07:52.05 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll have to wait 9 minutes for the cronjob to transfer it from SVN to files anyway, too lazy to pull from svn, so you can answer my question in the meantime |
| 07:52.11 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 07:52.52 | CIA-8 | 03nargiddley 07Beta * r55596 10Ace3/AceConfig-3.0/AceConfigRegistry-3.0/AceConfigRegistry-3.0.lua: Ace3 - AceConfig: Tweak AceOptions validation |
| 07:53.02 | norgs | first it was preparing for patch day, then it was the mad scamble through patch day, now it's recovering from patchday. |
| 07:53.17 | CIA-8 | 03nargiddley 07Beta * r55597 10Ace3/tests/AceGUITest/test.lua: Ace3 - AceGUITest: Test Config table now passes validation |
| 07:53.42 | norgs | when i get to forgotten about patch day, i'll probably return to playing ;) |
| 07:54.01 | sag_ich_nicht | what. |
| 07:55.05 | Arrowmaster | rofl i managed to get 96% overhealing during mondays raid with 28k effective healing |
| 07:55.10 | Diao | o_O |
| 07:55.14 | Diao | what class? |
| 07:56.00 | Arrowmaster | warlock, with 755010 raw healing done |
| 07:56.23 | sag_ich_nicht | nerf locks. |
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| 07:56.47 | Arrowmaster | yeah 3011 heals to my phaseshifed imp |
| 07:57.00 | Arrowmaster | for 695k raw healing |
| 07:57.14 | Arrowmaster | gg 2peice tier5 |
| 07:58.11 | durcyn | i managed to hit a couple of people as much as 6 times with reflected seeds of corruption, i think that's a much better metric. |
| 07:58.53 | durcyn | wws needs a "friendly fire" summary |
| 07:58.54 | Arrowmaster | reflected seed of corruptions still damage enemies |
| 07:59.02 | durcyn | no, i cast it on reflecting mobs =) |
| 07:59.14 | Arrowmaster | ive done the same in SSC |
| 07:59.27 | durcyn | damages friendlies, try it some time |
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| 07:59.39 | Arrowmaster | and gotten the seed of corruption debuff on myself |
| 07:59.44 | durcyn | sisters of pain in BT are superb for it, can usually drop a UA at the same time and futz with cleansers |
| 08:00.15 | Arrowmaster | when i did it in SSC it only damaged the mobs |
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| 08:03.35 | Keias | UAing yourself and asking for cleanses is the greatest thing |
| 08:03.38 | Keias | The pallies get so pissed |
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| 08:04.11 | buu | Keias: Felhunters |
| 08:04.52 | durcyn | buu: the idea is to get them to cleanse it, not do it yourself ;) |
| 08:05.13 | buu | durcyn: There is that. |
| 08:05.21 | buu | durcyn: The mobs in mag cast it straight up.. |
| 08:05.31 | buu | What a silly ass boss. |
| 08:06.07 | durcyn | oh, well yes. in there it's fun to out-cleanse them, then link the meters for it. |
| 08:06.23 | SP|Sorren | anyone know a mob with a lot of hp |
| 08:06.27 | SP|Sorren | but doesn't hit very hard? |
| 08:06.33 | buu | SP|Sorren: Dr boom |
| 08:06.39 | SP|Sorren | that i can melee ;P |
| 08:06.42 | buu | Uh |
| 08:06.44 | SP|Sorren | im trying to level some weapon skills |
| 08:06.46 | buu | Low level elites |
| 08:06.51 | buu | Go clear SM or WC |
| 08:07.00 | durcyn | go bang on the mobs by the dark portal, let them self-banish, then go afk |
| 08:07.06 | buu | Or.. you can yeah |
| 08:07.08 | buu | Hit those ones. |
| 08:07.17 | SP|Sorren | oo |
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| 08:07.51 | SP|Sorren | thankie |
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| 08:14.40 | SP|Sorren | oh hey, they unbanish eventually |
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| 08:18.34 | Keias | What are you trying to do Sorren? |
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| 08:20.16 | SP|Sorren | level melee weapon skills |
| 08:21.29 | SP|Sorren | i do a pitiful 244DPS with two merc-glad 1handers ;o |
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| 08:25.35 | SP|Sorren | man if i had spirit bond i could do this without ever stopping |
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| 08:39.00 | Keias | To level weapons go to the uh |
| 08:39.09 | Keias | Totem guys in Shadowmoon |
| 08:39.19 | Keias | If you don't kill their totems they stay immune and don't attack you back |
| 08:39.48 | SP|Sorren | oh, thats even better. |
| 08:40.02 | SP|Sorren | thanks |
| 08:40.13 | SP|Sorren | why is weapon skill even in the game when you can do this |
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| 08:50.50 | Keias | Purely to annoy us |
| 08:57.38 | SP|Sorren | cant say the totem guys work as well |
| 08:57.43 | SP|Sorren | since mobs path around them |
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| 08:58.01 | SP|Sorren | whoa |
| 08:58.09 | SP|Sorren | since when could you mine rock elemental corpses? |
| 08:58.25 | Xinhuan | sincelast year |
| 08:58.49 | pakoz | anyone have a mod recommendation for a cooldown counter |
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| 08:58.56 | pakoz | that works with bongos 1.9.5? |
| 08:59.13 | pakoz | or a bar mod thats simple like bongos that has one built into it |
| 08:59.35 | Arrowmaster | use omnicc |
| 09:00.05 | Arrowmaster | or are you wanting a list of your cooldowns as bars |
| 09:02.04 | pakoz | omnicc worked great |
| 09:02.09 | pakoz | nah, over the button |
| 09:02.15 | pakoz | what would do a bar one |
| 09:02.25 | pakoz | for like my trinkets/deathwish (long cool down things) |
| 09:02.41 | Arrowmaster | i think i use hourglass for that |
| 09:02.49 | Arrowmaster | might be a better one now |
| 09:03.25 | SP|Sorren | try cooldowntimers2 </shamelessplug> |
| 09:03.49 | pakoz | shamelessplug? |
| 09:03.55 | pakoz | sorren that sounds familiar |
| 09:04.13 | Arrowmaster | sounds like a huntard |
| 09:04.21 | SP|Sorren | its a shameless plug because cdt2 is one of my mods :/ |
| 09:04.45 | SP|Sorren | and yes, it does sound like a huntard. |
| 09:06.23 | pakoz | Sorren, the mining thing is new btw |
| 09:06.38 | Arrowmaster | new since TBC |
| 09:06.56 | Arrowmaster | although its mostly useless compared to what herbalism got |
| 09:07.06 | pakoz | nah, the earth elementals just just got it |
| 09:07.13 | SP|Sorren | i know you could mine giants |
| 09:07.17 | pakoz | right |
| 09:07.19 | SP|Sorren | but earth eles i never could before |
| 09:07.21 | pakoz | but the elementals is new today |
| 09:07.22 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 09:07.37 | pakoz | we just get greys though |
| 09:07.39 | pakoz | nothing good |
| 09:07.42 | SP|Sorren | axes 249...yes! |
| 09:07.42 | Arrowmaster | is it as useless on them as it is on giants? |
| 09:07.47 | SP|Sorren | so far, yes |
| 09:07.51 | Arrowmaster | yeah useless.... |
| 09:07.52 | SP|Sorren | oh no |
| 09:07.54 | SP|Sorren | i got a mote of earth |
| 09:08.01 | Arrowmaster | still useless |
| 09:08.02 | SP|Sorren | which is more than i ever got off a giant |
| 09:08.21 | Arrowmaster | ive gotten motes off giants before |
| 09:08.30 | SP|Sorren | shows what i know |
| 09:08.33 | Arrowmaster | get some ore from the giant boss in mana tombs |
| 09:08.55 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if you can mine golomagg for ingots |
| 09:09.16 | SP|Sorren | that'd have been hot back pre-bc |
| 09:09.16 | Arrowmaster | because imho you should |
| 09:09.55 | Arrowmaster | pickpocket teckies for ore too lol |
| 09:12.27 | SP|Sorren | god ive been hacking on this guy for like 10 minutes now for my last unarmed point |
| 09:12.35 | SP|Sorren | :< |
| 09:13.22 | Xinhuan | the last time pretbc |
| 09:13.27 | Xinhuan | i swang my weapons from 299 to 300 |
| 09:13.31 | Xinhuan | it took about 2998 swings |
| 09:13.37 | Xinhuan | not counting misses |
| 09:13.40 | SP|Sorren | o.o |
| 09:13.41 | Xinhuan | to skill up staves |
| 09:13.48 | Xinhuan | (used CombatStats to count) |
| 09:14.00 | Arrowmaster | i had everything but staves at 300 before tbc, staves was at 298 i think |
| 09:14.03 | SP|Sorren | maybe i should find level 70+ mobs |
| 09:14.13 | Xinhuan | it wouldn't matter |
| 09:14.19 | Xinhuan | i skilled it up on lvl 18 ogres |
| 09:14.23 | Xinhuan | in loch modan |
| 09:14.24 | Xinhuan | the elite ones |
| 09:14.51 | Arrowmaster | ive heard target level does effect the speed you gain weapon skillups |
| 09:15.16 | pakoz | it does |
| 09:15.17 | Arrowmaster | whats unarmed attack speed? |
| 09:15.20 | pakoz | 1.5 |
| 09:15.27 | pakoz | erm |
| 09:15.28 | pakoz | 2.0 |
| 09:15.43 | SP|Sorren | im using a 1.5 weapon so meh |
| 09:16.08 | SP|Sorren | staves is now my lowest skill |
| 09:16.20 | Arrowmaster | wow only 2998 swings for 299 to 300??? |
| 09:16.23 | SP|Sorren | haven't touched one since i stopped using the epic bow staff |
| 09:17.01 | pakoz | o wow |
| 09:17.06 | pakoz | i need to defrag really bag |
| 09:17.07 | Arrowmaster | apparently at 1800 swings per hour and the 5 hours i think it was i spent attacking a blasted lands servent took way longer than you attacking that ogre |
| 09:17.11 | pakoz | http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/7646/ohmylp5.jpg |
| 09:17.57 | Arrowmaster | grrr |
| 09:18.07 | Arrowmaster | its been 12 hours and my tracking code still doesnt work |
| 09:18.17 | Arrowmaster | i want to know where my copy of mass effect is damnit! |
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| 09:18.59 | SP|Sorren | not even shipping information recieved? |
| 09:22.57 | Arrowmaster | i have tracking code but it says unavailable at this time |
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| 09:24.05 | pakoz | sometimes they dont update it |
| 09:24.15 | pakoz | lots of factors |
| 09:24.24 | pakoz | place its shipping from has old equip |
| 09:24.58 | SP|Sorren | i bet it's that they just want to spite Arrowmaster. |
| 09:25.14 | Arrowmaster | probably since i didnt pay extra on the shipping |
| 09:27.18 | Orionshock | any way to get the background on links tooltips to be 0% transperant? |
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| 09:29.53 | SP|Sorren | why sigh? |
| 09:30.39 | starlon | I'm struggling with this bug. |
| 09:35.09 | CIA-8 | 03cossy * r55598 10AutoTurnin/ (. AutoTurnin.lua AutoTurnin.toc embeds.xml): |
| 09:35.09 | CIA-8 | AutoTurnin: |
| 09:35.09 | CIA-8 | - added slash-command: '/autoturnin' |
| 09:35.30 | CIA-8 | 03starlon * r55599 10DebuffAlarm/DebuffAlarm.lua: |
| 09:35.30 | CIA-8 | DebuffAlarm: |
| 09:35.30 | CIA-8 | - Attempted to fix the FuBar menu - no luck :\ |
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| 09:42.03 | starlon | Maybe someone can help me with this. http://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/DebuffAlarm/DebuffAlarm.lua |
| 09:42.09 | SP|Sorren | im looking at it |
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| 09:43.17 | starlon | If I comment line 190 out, then the fubar menu has options like "Show Icon" "Show Text", "Show Colored Text" etc.. |
| 09:44.25 | SP|Sorren | maybe instead of setting it to opts |
| 09:44.38 | SP|Sorren | er, one sec |
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| 09:46.23 | starlon | I tried reproducing it here, but no luck. http://ace.pastey.net/77743 |
| 09:46.31 | SP|Sorren | my guess is this: OnMenuRequest is usually a function |
| 09:46.34 | starlon | The options show up. |
| 09:47.07 | starlon | The bug is that those options are missing. |
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| 09:49.24 | CIA-8 | 03jerry * r55600 10Talented_Data/ (Talented_Data.toc Talented_Data_zhCN.lua): Talented_Data: updates to zhCN. |
| 09:50.17 | starlon | I think I need to ask ckk about this one. |
| 09:51.48 | SP|Sorren | quick question |
| 09:51.59 | SP|Sorren | what happens if you change DA_FuBar to a global? |
| 09:52.27 | starlon | No change. |
| 09:52.58 | starlon | Well wait. Let me try again. |
| 09:53.28 | starlon | Nope, no change. |
| 09:54.01 | SP|Sorren | you try setting .overrideMenu to false? |
| 09:54.29 | SP|Sorren | nvm |
| 09:56.39 | Arrowmaster | wait |
| 09:56.45 | Arrowmaster | your only setting hasIcon right? |
| 09:57.40 | starlon | yes |
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| 09:58.37 | Arrowmaster | then its expected because your not setting any text on it or telling it that it has text |
| 09:58.55 | Arrowmaster | and if it doesnt have text then you cant hide the icon |
| 09:59.19 | SP|Sorren | in his pastey he doesn't set the title though |
| 09:59.32 | starlon | Right. And the options are available. |
| 10:00.13 | Arrowmaster | weird |
| 10:00.14 | starlon | When I don't set hasIcon all that shows up is Detach tooltip |
| 10:00.42 | Arrowmaster | wait your setting has icon but your not setting an icon are you? |
| 10:01.00 | starlon | I'm setting it to true. It defaults to icon.tga |
| 10:01.08 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah |
| 10:01.40 | SP|Sorren | why the fancy wrapper anyway |
| 10:01.44 | SP|Sorren | if you're going to use the same DB |
| 10:01.56 | Arrowmaster | in that pastey what if you make MyFubarPlugin local? |
| 10:02.03 | Orionshock | for a druid tank, str or agi on t4 gloves |
| 10:02.33 | Bejitt | tank? agi |
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| 10:02.48 | Pkekyo|wrk | morning all |
| 10:02.49 | starlon | No change. |
| 10:02.51 | ramoz | dodge, dodge, ironforge! |
| 10:02.52 | Bejitt | or Sta if they're so inclined |
| 10:03.05 | Pkekyo|wrk | can anyone verify: strength = block value = more damage on shield slam? |
| 10:03.49 | Bejitt | yes pkek |
| 10:04.02 | Bejitt | i forget how much str per block val |
| 10:04.10 | starlon | The reason the wrapper's there is that when a user doesn't have FuBar, FubarPlugin puts an icon on the minimap. |
| 10:04.16 | starlon | There's no way to get rid of that icon. |
| 10:04.17 | Pkekyo|wrk | I've always been confusing wether it was block or block value that benefited from strength >.< |
| 10:04.24 | starlon | Someone asked me to get rid of the icon. |
| 10:04.28 | Bejitt | value |
| 10:04.36 | SP|Sorren | you can get rid of the icon |
| 10:04.39 | Bejitt | starlon: they can turn it off |
| 10:04.44 | starlon | Nope |
| 10:04.54 | SP|Sorren | SorrenTimers.hideWithoutStandby = true; |
| 10:04.58 | SP|Sorren | whoops |
| 10:05.00 | SP|Sorren | make that self |
| 10:05.00 | starlon | There's no option available. |
| 10:05.03 | SP|Sorren | ^^ |
| 10:05.07 | starlon | hmm |
| 10:06.11 | starlon | That's a FuBarPlugin field? |
| 10:06.16 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 10:06.41 | SP|Sorren | i dont know if its documented, but i use it with all my addons :x |
| 10:06.57 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 10:07.01 | Arrowmaster | yet |
| 10:07.07 | Arrowmaster | editing wiki page now |
| 10:07.33 | Diao | Pkekyo| 20 str per 1 block value |
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| 10:11.10 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/FuBarPlugin-2.0#.hideWithoutStandby |
| 10:12.29 | SP|Sorren | ;p |
| 10:12.57 | starlon | The minimap icon's still there. |
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| 10:13.09 | SP|Sorren | you can right click |
| 10:13.11 | SP|Sorren | and choose hide |
| 10:13.20 | SP|Sorren | i think its "Hide Plugin" |
| 10:13.23 | starlon | Ah |
| 10:13.27 | starlon | Very cool |
| 10:15.29 | SP|Sorren | guess what |
| 10:15.37 | Arrowmaster | checkout this cool little part of my combat log from the other night |
| 10:15.39 | Arrowmaster | 11/20 00:55:24.359 Eye of Kilrogg hits High Warlord Naj'entus for 57. (glancing) |
| 10:15.39 | Arrowmaster | 11/20 00:55:24.625 High Warlord Naj'entus crits Eye of Kilrogg for 16016. |
| 10:15.43 | SP|Sorren | the interferring line is your register chat command |
| 10:15.58 | SP|Sorren | comment that out and all the items appear again |
| 10:16.13 | starlon | weird |
| 10:16.58 | starlon | Well, this field changes everything. I don't have to worry about it now. |
| 10:17.01 | starlon | Thanks dude |
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| 10:18.13 | CIA-8 | 03helium * r55601 10Capping/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 10:18.13 | CIA-8 | Capping: |
| 10:18.13 | CIA-8 | - copy and use the word replacement mechanism in AB from Glory-2.0 |
| 10:18.28 | SP|Sorren | np |
| 10:19.59 | CIA-8 | 03starlon * r55602 10DebuffAlarm/DebuffAlarm.lua: |
| 10:19.59 | CIA-8 | DebuffAlarm: |
| 10:19.59 | CIA-8 | - Fixed FuBar menu, thanks to Sorren |
| 10:20.00 | Diao | wtf |
| 10:20.09 | Diao | why does sanity inventory keybindings have binds for targetting enemies |
| 10:20.11 | Diao | o_o |
| 10:20.55 | SP|Sorren | for irony, imo |
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| 10:22.57 | Morpheus|Dead | heya |
| 10:23.31 | Morpheus|Dead | anyone know the name of that mod that was talked abou tin the forum a few days ago that tells you what spell to cast next LOL |
| 10:23.59 | Morpheus|Dead | was having a conversation abou tit and cant remember the dang name and the forum search function is not much help if you dont have the name |
| 10:24.14 | SP|Sorren | try google imo |
| 10:24.40 | Morpheus|Dead | no its a new ace mod it ws in the forum i dont see wheere i would find more info on google than ihn here LOL |
| 10:25.10 | Morpheus|Dead | its like bran dnew Ithink like alpha alpha you know |
| 10:25.52 | starlon | Yeah I saw that thread too |
| 10:26.03 | starlon | I don't remember the name though |
| 10:26.04 | SP|Sorren | what class was it for? |
| 10:26.11 | Morpheus|Dead | if the forum just had a feature to let me browse by a time frame all pots I would allready know but you have to search by name not time frame |
| 10:26.27 | Morpheus|Dead | for any class i believe was like a training mod or something |
| 10:26.50 | Diao | o_o |
| 10:26.57 | Diao | that doesn't train very much |
| 10:27.40 | Morpheus|Dead | eh yeah not for me but curious about it supposedly it would annalyze and tell you the most effective next spell like a theorycraft thing |
| 10:28.07 | Orionshock | mift... god pissing contests over vent .... |
| 10:28.14 | Morpheus|Dead | whats trhe addy for the zips wowace page? |
| 10:28.23 | Diao | files.wowace.com |
| 10:28.48 | dispel | hmm |
| 10:28.49 | Morpheus|Dead | no the non html one repository straight to the zips so you can search by date without externals |
| 10:28.57 | dispel | on this "freenode" irc is there any other wow channels? |
| 10:29.08 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 10:29.20 | dispel | i know thers wowhead |
| 10:29.23 | dispel | i got b anned on it tho |
| 10:29.27 | dispel | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.28 | Arrowmaster | #wowi-lounge #wowwiki #wowhead |
| 10:29.38 | Orionshock | what i want to know, is when Ace3 goes live, and mods start converting over, what are they going to use as the "click" object for configureation? - we had fubarPlugin under Ace2.... |
| 10:30.14 | Arrowmaster | probably something like waterfall |
| 10:30.18 | SP|Sorren | obviously ckk wants us to move to rockconfig or whatever |
| 10:30.28 | Arrowmaster | since fubar is not a configuration method |
| 10:30.49 | Orionshock | ** Click Object - we had fubar plugins to CLICK on to bring up the config menus |
| 10:30.50 | Nargiddley | we already have AceConfigDialog, he's thinking for shortcuts to the config i think |
| 10:30.56 | Orionshock | what is the CLICK OBJECT! |
| 10:31.11 | Diao | hmm |
| 10:31.17 | Diao | anyone use auc adv? |
| 10:31.22 | Diao | my scan function is broken :( |
| 10:31.33 | SP|Sorren | like i said, ckk wants us to move to the rock config, where they have a dropdown menu for you to get at each addons configs |
| 10:31.48 | SP|Sorren | i personally think just piling icons on fubar is more convenient |
| 10:32.26 | Arrowmaster | rockconfig is nice but could have been better |
| 10:32.46 | SP|Sorren | at least, this was the impression ckk gave me when i asked him what his plans for fubar were ;p |
| 10:32.49 | Arrowmaster | i dont like having it pop up for configing clockfu for example |
| 10:33.06 | Diao | yeah, sometimes dropdown menus are better |
| 10:33.17 | Diao | for a quick change |
| 10:34.19 | Orionshock | well "shit-hitting-fan" will happen because the options tables seperated.... and with no "click object" it's going to be a hell war |
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| 10:34.54 | SP|Sorren | i never used ace options tables anyway /terrible |
| 10:35.01 | Nargiddley | nothing stops mods still having a fubar plugin |
| 10:35.37 | Orionshock | doing opera -- i have a response |
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| 10:39.57 | Orionshock | right but to make a fubar plugin you'd have to either include the Ace2 libs for it or the lib rock ones for v3 |
| 10:41.58 | Morpheus|Dead | its called training wheels |
| 10:42.01 | Orionshock | wtb neutral fubarPlugin |
| 10:42.31 | Nargiddley | I'm going to split the fubar plugin out to a module for Baggins, but its not going to go away |
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| 10:44.02 | Orionshock | .... |
| 10:46.21 | Nargiddley | anyway, must sleep |
| 10:46.22 | Nargiddley | night |
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| 10:58.05 | CIA-8 | 03helium * r55603 10Bartender3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 10:58.05 | CIA-8 | Bartender3: |
| 10:58.05 | CIA-8 | - added localization for paging options |
| 10:58.05 | CIA-8 | - updated zhTW localization |
| 10:58.52 | Matrix110 | oh noes |
| 10:58.54 | Matrix110 | we got another CIA |
| 10:59.00 | Matrix110 | where is our old one:-( |
| 11:00.22 | SP|Sorren | he died on a mission. |
| 11:00.31 | Kalroth | 008 took over |
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| 11:04.16 | Diao | hmm |
| 11:04.29 | Diao | interesting info for quartz if nymbia wants to add it in: http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t15257-melee_combat_riddle_me_parry_mechanics/ |
| 11:09.29 | Orionshock | urg... need to find a way to make the strings longer in the GUI lib :\ |
| 11:15.56 | Industrial | pull them harder |
| 11:16.06 | Bejitt | Diao: that chart looks like japan |
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| 11:20.19 | TNSe | lol |
| 11:20.58 | Diao | rofl |
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| 11:25.34 | CIA-8 | 03Firik * r55604 10BunchOfBars/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 11:25.34 | CIA-8 | BunchOfBars: |
| 11:25.34 | CIA-8 | - fixed the spam when you left a party/raid |
| 11:25.34 | CIA-8 | - hopefully works when logging in combat now |
| 11:25.34 | CIA-8 | - light up fadeout frames when hovering over them |
| 11:28.06 | CIA-8 | 03silmano * r55605 10SellOMatic/SellOMatic.toc: SellOMatic: Updating files |
| 11:31.50 | CIA-8 | 03silmano * r55606 10SellOMatic/: SellOMatic: |
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| 11:43.33 | starlon | What happened to TourGuide? |
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| 11:45.51 | starlon | nvm found it |
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| 12:20.08 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.13 | starlon | I've been there before. |
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| 12:22.18 | starlon | The other night on Kael in fact. I decided to tank the staff dual wielding, then realized that wouldn't work cause I wanted to interrupt it ;) |
| 12:22.19 | Orionshock | we've cleared to chess w/o wiping |
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| 12:26.27 | Kalroth | Does anyone know if there is a wowace addon to kill the loot roll window? |
| 12:26.44 | Orionshock | how? |
| 12:26.51 | Orionshock | xLoot_Group |
| 12:27.12 | Kalroth | Ohh, thanks |
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| 12:36.26 | _rane | hmh, chronometer doesn't show lifebloom stack counts :( |
| 12:38.20 | Arrowmaster | chronometer isnt really being developed anymore |
| 12:38.47 | _rane | any similar addons then? |
| 12:39.00 | SunTsu | _rane: ClassTimer |
| 12:39.42 | SunTsu | _rane: It handles lifebloom stack count |
| 12:39.58 | _rane | yeah, and it only shows player or target bars.. |
| 12:40.06 | _rane | + focus, but whatever |
| 12:40.17 | SunTsu | _rane: What else do you need? |
| 12:40.37 | SunTsu | It hast sticky, player, target, focus |
| 12:40.41 | SunTsu | has even |
| 12:40.55 | _rane | sticky? |
| 12:41.28 | SunTsu | _rane: You can define some timers as sticky, so you will see them all the time |
| 12:41.53 | _rane | kinda what i'm looking for.. |
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| 12:46.16 | _rane | ehh |
| 12:46.21 | Xinhuan | sigh i traced a taint to UIParent_ManageFramePositions(); |
| 12:46.36 | Xinhuan | the default UI code didn't call it with securecall() inside WorldStateFrame.lua |
| 12:46.47 | _rane | if i enable a spell in sticky bars, it won't show in the target bars anymore |
| 12:47.17 | SunTsu | _rane: Indeed |
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| 12:47.55 | _rane | and it won't even show the target's name |
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| 12:48.01 | _rane | definitely not what i want :/ |
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| 12:49.53 | SunTsu | _rane: So you are looging for an addon that shows all your timers for all targets? |
| 12:50.04 | _rane | yes |
| 12:50.12 | CIA-8 | 03ananhaid * r55607 10BigWigs/ZulAman/ (6 files): |
| 12:50.12 | CIA-8 | BigWigs: |
| 12:50.12 | CIA-8 | - ZA zhCN update |
| 12:51.13 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.57 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: but if worldstateframe gets tainted then that doesnt fix anything |
| 12:55.16 | Xinhuan | how would worldstateframe get tainted |
| 12:55.24 | Xinhuan | does moving it taint it? |
| 12:55.37 | Arrowmaster | perty sure something taints mine |
| 12:56.06 | Xinhuan | i traced the taint to my addon which was replacing the bagplacement code |
| 12:56.08 | Xinhuan | but |
| 12:56.38 | Xinhuan | any addon that tainted worldstateframe would cause the same issue too |
| 12:57.18 | Xinhuan | can you track your taint? |
| 12:58.12 | Arrowmaster | not sure |
| 12:58.40 | Xinhuan | what taints a frame? |
| 12:58.54 | Xinhuan | does calling setpoint on a frame taint the frame? |
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| 12:59.28 | Arrowmaster | i dont really know |
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| 13:15.52 | CIA-8 | 03celellach * r55608 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/burningcrusade.en.lua: |
| 13:15.52 | CIA-8 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
| 13:15.52 | CIA-8 | - Added another daily heroic quest item |
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| 13:18.08 | winkiller | sylvanaar_work: ping |
| 13:20.55 | Paradox | where can I find a list of the interface frame names? or alternatively, anyone know what the quest tracking frame is called? |
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| 13:22.46 | Xinhuan | you have to extract the default UI our of the mpq files |
| 13:22.50 | Xinhuan | and look thru it to find that one |
| 13:22.53 | Xinhuan | out* |
| 13:23.47 | Paradox | lol |
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| 13:24.04 | Glorian | Hello |
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| 13:28.30 | Zhinjio | standby, Paradox. |
| 13:30.55 | Paradox | I got it :) |
| 13:30.56 | Paradox | it's ok |
| 13:31.48 | Zhinjio | ok, then I"m going to bed. G'night, y'all. |
| 13:33.52 | kenlyric | "Inappropriate tooltip is displaying when a player hovers over Shartuul's Transporter on a flying mount." |
| 13:33.58 | kenlyric | is it dirty? |
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| 13:39.08 | sylvanaar_work | winkiller pong |
| 13:39.39 | kebinusan | Anyone have an opinion on necb vs antagonist? I figured it was a bout time I get something to track player cooldowns / buffs like divine shield and wotf for arenas |
| 13:39.45 | winkiller | I got quite a problem with WAU. or better, I'm not quite sure how you created the install mechanism |
| 13:40.04 | winkiller | I can't find the real executable, is that just a descriptor? |
| 13:40.50 | winkiller | and I dragged a "shortcut" to my dock and when I moved the folder in start menu the shortcut refused to start WAU -it kinda doesn't follow common usage standards :/ |
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| 13:45.08 | AlexanderB | can someone tell me where to activate the health @Pitbull? |
| 13:45.13 | AlexanderB | i only see the bar -.- not the health |
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| 13:47.55 | kenlyric | it occurs to me that wow could better handle localization by not loading it if you don't need it. |
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| 13:54.00 | SunTsu | AlexanderB: What exactly dou you want? |
| 13:54.29 | AlexanderB | the health (14000/14000) :) |
| 13:54.35 | AlexanderB | it only shows me an empty bar |
| 13:54.42 | AlexanderB | no percentage or something |
| 13:54.43 | Ozguli- | click on it |
| 13:54.56 | Ozguli- | should take you staright to the right config |
| 13:55.44 | SunTsu | AlexanderB: You can put the tags you want into the bars |
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| 13:55.53 | AlexanderB | where? |
| 13:56.01 | AlexanderB | it seems that something deleted it |
| 13:56.17 | SunTsu | AlexanderB: Seems so, yes, I had that from the start |
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| 14:01.13 | CIA-8 | 03nemes * r55609 10NDragIt/NDragIt.lua: |
| 14:01.13 | CIA-8 | NDragIt: |
| 14:01.13 | CIA-8 | - GuildBankFrame is load on demand... |
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| 14:23.53 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 14:24.43 | dylanm | What up jb |
| 14:25.00 | Ellipsis | it is way too early |
| 14:25.12 | JoshBorke | nada mucho, yi tu? |
| 14:25.14 | JoshBorke | morning Ellipsis |
| 14:25.24 | Ellipsis | morning |
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| 14:36.55 | CIA-8 | 03fritti * r55610 10FuBar_AssistFu/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:36.55 | CIA-8 | FuBar_AssistFu: |
| 14:36.55 | CIA-8 | - Make this work with Rock & WoW 2.3.0 |
| 14:37.59 | kenlyric | If you were social engineering, would you beging your email with "I'm a computer engineer at Islamic University of Gaza(IUG)" to instill confidence in your potential dupes? |
| 14:38.22 | Ellipsis | well sure, who doesn't trust computer engineers? |
| 14:38.32 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: early? 4pm >.< |
| 14:38.42 | Ellipsis | 6:40am here :P |
| 14:38.47 | Pkekyo| | ouch |
| 14:38.55 | Ellipsis | who knew there was one of those in the morning, too? |
| 14:38.58 | Pkekyo| | eastern US? |
| 14:39.53 | Ellipsis | western :) |
| 14:41.31 | vrak | anyone got a good tradeskill window replacement they can recommend? |
| 14:41.35 | Ozguli- | I woke up 7:20 today... or attempted to, didn't feel like getting up yet after noticing that 1) it was damn cold, 2) my dog had raided my trash can AGAIN, and 3) it was really damn cold |
| 14:41.55 | Ellipsis | vrak: Skillet is pretty nice |
| 14:42.20 | CIA-8 | 03joshborke 07Beta * r55611 10Ace3/AceDB-3.0/AceDB-3.0.lua: Ace3 - AceDB-3.0: because our realm,char, class, race, faction never change |
| 14:42.45 | vrak | Ellipsis: i'll go look at that then, thanks |
| 14:44.06 | kenlyric | all skillet needs is alts and it'd be perfection |
| 14:44.29 | CIA-8 | 03bashui * r55612 10CatPoints/ (CatDPS.lua CatPoints.lua EffectiveHealth.lua Tank.lua): |
| 14:44.29 | CIA-8 | CatPoints: |
| 14:44.29 | CIA-8 | - Added t4 4 set bonus to tank and effhealth |
| 14:45.26 | Pkekyo| | ninjamodify skillet then! :> |
| 14:46.06 | kenlyric | oh sure, encourage broken mods |
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| 14:46.55 | Lukian | oooooooo a catpoints addon |
| 14:47.46 | kenlyric | trying to find this second addon which is putting ilevel on my tooltips. |
| 14:47.50 | kenlyric | I know mendeleev does |
| 14:48.01 | Lukian | kenlyric, ratingbuster? |
| 14:48.05 | Ellipsis | ^ |
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| 14:48.32 | Codayus | Anyone know if the BG daily quest is random each day, or follows a set pattern? |
| 14:48.41 | nevcairiel | random |
| 14:48.46 | Codayus | Nuts. |
| 14:48.59 | Ellipsis | bah that reminds me, cooking daily to do |
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| 14:49.28 | Lukian | I've had mana berries 4 times already |
| 14:49.29 | nevcairiel | wtb manalicious |
| 14:49.32 | Lukian | but it's an easy one :D |
| 14:49.36 | Codayus | Was thinking of trying to organize some sort of guild event to go zerg whatever the daily quest BG is, but if its AV, that'd be...not so fun. |
| 14:49.38 | kenlyric | so, that means all i'm getting out out of mendeleev is stack size? |
| 14:49.43 | JoshBorke | how many cooking quests are there? |
| 14:49.48 | nevcairiel | i never had mana berries |
| 14:50.00 | JoshBorke | i've gotten 3 different ones, mana berries, bem demon one, skettis one |
| 14:50.06 | sylvanaar_work | winkiller i'd just read the wau thread, and the solutions thread. |
| 14:50.07 | nevcairiel | there are 4 |
| 14:50.14 | nevcairiel | you miss spirit soup josh |
| 14:50.20 | JoshBorke | what's spirit soup? |
| 14:50.30 | winkiller | mhm, ok |
| 14:50.45 | SunTsu | That reminds me I never ever did one of those new dailies |
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| 14:50.55 | Ellipsis | ancestral grounds in nagrand |
| 14:51.06 | Lukian | JoshBorke, you get some clefthoof and cook it up in the nagrand ancestral grounds |
| 14:51.12 | JoshBorke | ah, ok |
| 14:51.29 | Ellipsis | I still haven't had this demon one everyone keeps talking about |
| 14:51.30 | Ellipsis | want :( |
| 14:51.34 | winkiller | still if I need a solutions thread to find out that something I've been doing for years doesn't work doesn't sound sensible =) |
| 14:51.42 | JoshBorke | i avoid the demon one |
| 14:51.50 | JoshBorke | well, i avoid any i have to kill for really |
| 14:51.53 | Ellipsis | argh, kaliri wings today :( |
| 14:52.23 | Codayus | Ellipsis: Heh, that's a good one - can knock over the 2 Skettis dailies while you're there. |
| 14:52.33 | Ellipsis | I don't do skettis dailies though |
| 14:52.37 | Ellipsis | I haven't done the pre-quests |
| 14:52.38 | Codayus | And warp stalkers hang out right next to the closest flightpath... |
| 14:52.49 | Ellipsis | yeah, the stalkers aren't tough |
| 14:52.53 | Ellipsis | I just hate having to get the birds |
| 14:52.55 | kenlyric | plus, dive bombing kaliri's into the water is fun. |
| 14:52.57 | Codayus | Ah? Um...the pre-quest for skettis is like, a couple minutes, isn't it? |
| 14:53.21 | sylvanaar_work | winkiller im no longer supporting WAU - I would assume you can figure out how to install it on your onw |
| 14:53.26 | Codayus | Not like the BEM prequests, which are like, a million group quests, one of which REQUIRES 5 people. |
| 14:53.36 | kenlyric | one? |
| 14:53.39 | kenlyric | oh, right |
| 14:53.46 | kenlyric | the rest can be done with four I guess. |
| 14:53.55 | kenlyric | unless y our group is idiots, then it's hard even with five. |
| 14:54.01 | Codayus | Or whatever; dpeends how much you overgear it.... |
| 14:54.19 | Ellipsis | I ran through those with guildies/alts |
| 14:54.22 | Ellipsis | so that wasn't bad |
| 14:54.31 | Ellipsis | (I still don't do BEM dailies, though) |
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| 14:55.09 | kenlyric | I haven't even gotten to dailies. Keep forgetting to do simon says. |
| 14:55.13 | Codayus | Ellipsis: Skettis is a pretty good gold/effort ratio, and the prereqs are pretty trivial. *shrug* |
| 14:55.37 | kenlyric | as a priest, I appreciate the noncom dailies :) |
| 14:55.38 | JoshBorke | skettis is best gold/effort ratio |
| 14:55.41 | Codayus | Of course, I mostly don't do skettis either, because I'm too lazy to do anything... |
| 14:55.49 | Codayus | :-( |
| 14:55.54 | Ellipsis | I just don't generally do dailies |
| 14:55.59 | Ellipsis | other than the cooking one because I'm a recipe whore |
| 14:56.14 | Matrix110 | Cooking dailies suck |
| 14:56.18 | Matrix110 | only 3 different ones-.- |
| 14:56.25 | Codayus | I hear some of the netherwing dailies are fun, but I'm too lazy to accumulate the gold for epic flying... >< |
| 14:56.26 | Matrix110 | and i never got a damn recipe so far from 5 dailies |
| 14:56.27 | Ellipsis | 4, Matrix110 |
| 14:56.34 | Xuerian | JoshBorke: The only one that isn't really worth it is the demon one, but that's worth it because of the darkrune and the money you can make off of shatuul's drop |
| 14:56.44 | Matrix110 | 4? then my server sucks just had 3 now they repeat again:-( |
| 14:56.57 | JoshBorke | Xuerian: yea, it depends on how much time you want to invest in them |
| 14:57.13 | Xuerian | JoshBorke: I do all my dailys in about 30 minutes |
| 14:57.15 | JoshBorke | Xuerian: i typically do skettis bomb then BEM bomb and BEM emanations |
| 14:57.49 | Codayus | The skettis prisoner escort is pretty fast too if you grab a pug group to look for him... |
| 14:57.56 | Codayus | Depends how cut throat your server is, perhaps. |
| 14:57.57 | kenlyric | 6g for a stack of 20 clefthoof meat is so much quicker than farming it myself. |
| 14:58.01 | Xuerian | And gotten up to the eye on shartuul |
| 14:58.09 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel 07Beta * r55613 10Ace3/AceDB-3.0/AceDB-3.0.lua: |
| 14:58.09 | CIA-8 | Ace3 - AceDB-3.0 |
| 14:58.09 | CIA-8 | - ACE-87 - validate the used datatypes in the defaults table and error if its invalid syntax |
| 14:58.11 | Xuerian | Codayus: I start asking for a group when I enter terrokar |
| 14:58.13 | Xuerian | makes it fast |
| 14:58.17 | winkiller | sylvanaar_work: I didn't ask for install support, but for an explanation what .net voodoo you used :) |
| 14:58.18 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 14:58.22 | Xuerian | I do the same in blades edge |
| 14:59.23 | sylvanaar_work | winkiller clickonce |
| 15:01.10 | winkiller | dailies? lock: skettis bombing | rogue: skettis bombing+relics+rays | druid: both bombing + relics + rays, then off to SMV for various Netherwing |
| 15:01.31 | kenlyric | so, protip, maxing my terrain distance cut my fps in half on my 6600 |
| 15:02.16 | Codayus | kenlyric: There's a mod called Framerate_Adjuster on...Curse I think. Automagically changes draw distance based on your current frame rate. Kinda nifty. |
| 15:02.42 | phawx | anyone use FishingAce? |
| 15:02.54 | Lukian | I do |
| 15:03.02 | Codayus | If your frame rate drops, it cuts draw distance to compensate. |
| 15:03.03 | phawx | do you get an error when it applies a lure? |
| 15:03.19 | kenlyric | i've never even seen a framerate of 30, now I get that while I'm moving. |
| 15:05.54 | Ellipsis | bah |
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| 15:06.04 | Ellipsis | I thought I'd at least do the eggs |
| 15:06.08 | kenlyric | boo! |
| 15:06.10 | kenlyric | no recipe |
| 15:06.12 | Ellipsis | but they're camped just as much as the birds :( |
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| 15:06.36 | kenlyric | I only discovered last week that the short buildings also have eggs on them. |
| 15:07.07 | Ellipsis | they do?! |
| 15:07.23 | kenlyric | the ones that end in a point like a broken tree |
| 15:07.28 | Codayus | Ellipsis: I sit on top of a building. When a kaliri passes, I tag it. When eggs respawn, I blow them up. In between, I chat on /g, IRC, or browse forums. :-) |
| 15:07.36 | Codayus | Ya, hidden inside the broken top... |
| 15:07.43 | Ellipsis | actually Codayus that's what I'm doing now |
| 15:07.46 | Ellipsis | except |
| 15:07.50 | Ellipsis | eggs respawn while I'm alt-tabbed |
| 15:07.53 | Codayus | :( |
| 15:08.01 | Ellipsis | and I only know they've respawned because I hear someone bomb them |
| 15:08.04 | Ellipsis | and then I'm a sadpanda |
| 15:08.04 | Codayus | Ah |
| 15:08.21 | Ellipsis | holy crap, there are eggs on the short buildings |
| 15:08.39 | Ellipsis | <3 kenlyric |
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| 15:09.34 | Pkekyo| | holy shit, radeon's launching a dualcore graphicscard |
| 15:09.54 | Codayus | Makes sense, in a way... |
| 15:10.30 | Codayus | They're facing the same physical constraints Intel/AMD are...speed of light, quantum effects, blah blah, whatever. Still. Oo |
| 15:11.37 | Ellipsis | locks are so OP for this cooking daily |
| 15:11.44 | Ellipsis | detect invisibility = full of win |
| 15:11.57 | Codayus | Hmm, hadn't thought about that... |
| 15:12.11 | Codayus | I just begged a guildie to farm the meat for me. :-) |
| 15:12.21 | kenlyric | has anyone here seen golden darter in the fish barrel? |
| 15:12.26 | Codayus | (I did mention I'm pretty lazy...didn't I?) |
| 15:13.09 | kenlyric | I just bought mine on the AH, first day pays for it, then I have 4 more days worth |
| 15:14.09 | ag` | Pkekyo|, source? |
| 15:14.25 | kenlyric | but it's completely useless if I don't get a recipe or golden darter. piece of shit game |
| 15:15.02 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: I've gotten darter in the fish barrel twice |
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| 15:15.39 | kenlyric | trade you my stacks and stacks of furious crawdad |
| 15:16.04 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 15:16.05 | Ellipsis | fine by me |
| 15:16.10 | Ellipsis | I don't heal |
| 15:16.18 | phawx | where do you fish crawdads? |
| 15:16.30 | Codayus | Skettis and environs. |
| 15:16.36 | Codayus | Special pools. |
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| 15:16.42 | kenlyric | fish barrel :) |
| 15:16.48 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 15:17.21 | kenlyric | I got fishing to 375 so I'd never have to do it again. |
| 15:17.27 | Ellipsis | I want to make skullfish soup but he never gives me any of those |
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| 15:17.51 | kenlyric | that was the first recipe I got. |
| 15:17.58 | kenlyric | come on, kibbler's bits on my hunter! |
| 15:18.15 | Codayus | Heh, our guilds MT has kibbler's bits. |
| 15:18.22 | Codayus | One of those "umm..." moments. |
| 15:18.53 | Ellipsis | I got kibler's |
| 15:18.57 | Ellipsis | makes me wish I was lolguard |
| 15:19.14 | Ellipsis | no recipe today, bleh |
| 15:19.41 | CIA-8 | 03drool * r55614 10Nauticus/ (10 files): |
| 15:19.41 | CIA-8 | Nauticus: |
| 15:19.41 | CIA-8 | - recalibrated all routes and rtt's for patch 2.3 compatibility |
| 15:19.41 | CIA-8 | - icons for fms+rtv routes changed to ne type |
| 15:19.41 | CIA-8 | - trigger detection rewritten: based on movement speed and proper game yard distances instead of arbitrary value |
| 15:19.42 | CIA-8 | - removed NautDebug.lua, prep for package release / tag |
| 15:20.01 | Codayus | One of our guildies got the cake recipe yesterday...sent everyone a cake. ^_^ |
| 15:20.28 | kenlyric | there wasn't a single mageroyal on the AH. |
| 15:20.35 | kenlyric | nad my bank only had two. |
| 15:20.42 | Codayus | Hmm |
| 15:21.27 | kenlyric | oh hey, mageroyal |
| 15:21.32 | kenlyric | but on my hordie. |
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| 15:22.31 | Ellipsis | ahhh |
| 15:22.35 | Ellipsis | sound at character gah |
| 15:23.00 | Ellipsis | I walk up and click on an NPC with my camera zoomed all the way out, and don't expect the guy's voice to be at full volume |
| 15:23.08 | Ellipsis | then I like, jump when I hear it |
| 15:23.10 | Ellipsis | >_> hate |
| 15:23.13 | Codayus | Ellipsis: You can turn that option off, still. |
| 15:23.34 | Ellipsis | o rly? |
| 15:23.39 | Codayus | Yarly. |
| 15:23.51 | Ellipsis | how? |
| 15:24.00 | Codayus | Interesting question. Let me see... |
| 15:25.16 | Codayus | There's a cvar command you can put in the config file to change it back to non positional if you want. SET Sound_ListenerAtCharacter "0" |
| 15:25.40 | Ellipsis | ooh, I didn't know the cvar still worked |
| 15:25.41 | Ellipsis | <3 u |
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| 15:30.40 | evl | Sorren? |
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| 15:32.44 | CIA-8 | 03evl * r55615 10Hourglass/ (core.lua embeds.xml libs/): |
| 15:32.44 | CIA-8 | Hourglass: |
| 15:32.44 | CIA-8 | - Updated to SharedMedia 2.0 |
| 15:34.55 | Xinhuan | Ellipsis, would you like to help me determine a taint? |
| 15:38.16 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: oh baby, you know it |
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| 15:40.09 | Xinhuan | pasteying it |
| 15:40.30 | Ellipsis | heh, there's two level 69s trying to steal my farming spot |
| 15:40.47 | Ellipsis | they're not doing very well |
| 15:40.55 | Xinhuan | http://pastey.net/77758 |
| 15:41.05 | Xinhuan | its quite ambiguous when the taint actually occured |
| 15:42.07 | Xinhuan | now if you look at that, on line 55 |
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| 15:42.11 | Ellipsis | ooh, FCF, my favorite bit of Blizz code |
| 15:42.27 | Xinhuan | that is the supposed line that caused the execution taint that caused the action block right? |
| 15:42.46 | Ellipsis | hmm |
| 15:43.08 | Xinhuan | the problem here is, updateContainerFrameAnchors() is called at the very end of UIParent_ManageFramePositions() |
| 15:43.28 | Ellipsis | mkay |
| 15:43.32 | Xinhuan | and the call to Interface\FrameXML\UIParent.lua:2287 |
| 15:43.35 | Xinhuan | that caused the action block |
| 15:43.37 | Xinhuan | is securecalled |
| 15:43.42 | kenlyric | I'm incredibly dumb. |
| 15:43.44 | Xinhuan | how is this possible? |
| 15:44.00 | kenlyric | flew all the way out to ancestral grounds on my slow-ass mount and didn't pick up the quest. |
| 15:44.05 | Ellipsis | LOL |
| 15:44.08 | Ellipsis | <3 kenlyric |
| 15:44.15 | Xinhuan | a securecall() would be useless if the taint occured BEFORE the securecall() |
| 15:44.15 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: sec, let me look at the code |
| 15:44.21 | Xinhuan | but the taint supposedly occured after |
| 15:44.30 | Xinhuan | so its making 0 sense to me |
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| 15:44.56 | Xinhuan | start from WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame |
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| 15:45.13 | Xinhuan | an event occured |
| 15:45.16 | Xinhuan | which is |
| 15:45.16 | Xinhuan | UPDATE_WORLD_STATES |
| 15:45.24 | Xinhuan | so the OnEvent handler ran |
| 15:46.13 | Xinhuan | so WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame_OnEvent() runs, and calls WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame_Update() at the very end of it |
| 15:46.26 | Xinhuan | and WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame_Update() calls UIParent_ManageFramePositions() at the very end of it |
| 15:47.03 | Xinhuan | UIParent_ManageFramePositions() has a bunch of securecall()s to UIParent_ManageFramePosition() on line 2342 |
| 15:47.19 | Xinhuan | note the functions defer by a letter "s" at the end |
| 15:47.37 | Ellipsis | crazy |
| 15:48.11 | Xinhuan | so if execution taint occured on line 2421, how could the securecall() on line 2342 cause the action blocked on line 2287? |
| 15:48.28 | nevcairiel | another taint inside the securecall |
| 15:48.46 | Xinhuan | the taint inside the securecall() wouldn't have mattered |
| 15:48.59 | Xinhuan | since on return, it would discard the return values |
| 15:49.04 | Ellipsis | I see what you mean about that |
| 15:49.14 | Ellipsis | it's like psychic tainting |
| 15:49.14 | Xinhuan | isn't it? |
| 15:49.48 | nevcairiel | turn on taintLog 2 and check for each and every var in that code if you want |
| 15:49.55 | Xinhuan | i have |
| 15:50.02 | Xinhuan | i pasteyed the relevant parts above |
| 15:50.20 | nevcairiel | man damnit, again super hot stew as daily |
| 15:50.22 | Xinhuan | ok to be specific, the action blocked occured inside the securecall(UIParent_ManageFramePosition()) |
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| 15:50.43 | Xinhuan | but why isn't quite known to me |
| 15:50.54 | Xinhuan | since there is no execution taint inside that securecall() |
| 15:51.23 | nevcairiel | now if pastey.net wouldnt be that slow again |
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| 15:52.11 | Xinhuan | you really only have to look at lines -33 in that taint.log that is pasteyed |
| 15:52.16 | Xinhuan | you really only have to look at lines 55-88 in that taint.log that is pasteyed |
| 15:52.30 | Xinhuan | i can't make head or tails of it |
| 15:53.25 | Xinhuan | my addon hooks updateContainerFrameAnchors(), so yes it is a taint, but this taint doesn't occur anywhere in the middle of the function |
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| 15:53.37 | Xinhuan | so the actionblocked shouldn't have occured |
| 15:53.49 | nevcairiel | the taintLog could be more useful somehow |
| 15:54.00 | nevcairiel | it could show which call exactly tainted the execution path |
| 15:54.42 | sylvanaar_work | hey its a year since they added taint, and we have a log now - we should be thankful |
| 15:54.58 | Xinhuan | well can you figure out why there is an action blocked? |
| 15:55.33 | nevcairiel | that UIParent_ManageFramePositions() barfs is nothing new tho |
| 15:55.45 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: if you stop hooking that function, no actions get blocked? |
| 15:55.49 | Xinhuan | because from the code, i'm fairly sure my addon tainting updateContainerFrameAnchors() has completely nothing to do with it |
| 15:56.17 | nevcairiel | INTERFACE_ACTION_BLOCKED_SHOWN seems to be the bad thing in my eyes |
| 15:56.22 | Xinhuan | updateContainerFrameAnchors() doesn't get called or read until the extreme end of UIParent_ManageFramePositions() |
| 15:56.34 | Xinhuan | INTERFACE_ACTION_BLOCKED_SHOWN is always gauranteed to be tained nevcairiel |
| 15:56.46 | nevcairiel | how so? |
| 15:56.55 | Xinhuan | because blizzard sets the value of that variable after a DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage() |
| 15:57.07 | Xinhuan | so as long as you have any addon that adds timestamps |
| 15:57.15 | nevcairiel | dont hook addmessage |
| 15:57.19 | Ellipsis | any chat addon will hook addmessage |
| 15:57.21 | Xinhuan | it will 100% taint execution |
| 15:57.28 | Xinhuan | but that isn't even the point |
| 15:57.47 | nevcairiel | chat addons should hook ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler |
| 15:57.51 | Xinhuan | INTERFACE_ACTION_BLOCKED_SHOWN is a result of the "ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED" event |
| 15:57.52 | nevcairiel | not addmessage |
| 15:57.57 | Ellipsis | that causes taint which causes blocked actions, nevcairiel |
| 15:58.00 | Xinhuan | go look at UIParent:596 |
| 15:58.31 | sylvanaar_work | if you use timestamps you have to hook addmessage |
| 15:58.39 | Xinhuan | the action blocked caused WoW.exe to throw a "ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED" event, which runs till line UIParent():596 |
| 15:59.00 | Xinhuan | so everything is still secure in this new event "ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED" until after the default_chat_frame:addmessage |
| 15:59.09 | Xinhuan | but the actionblocked had already occured |
| 15:59.13 | Xinhuan | so that taint is irrelevant |
| 15:59.39 | sylvanaar_work | meh, you can keep the chatframes tainted all the time - that doesnt matter |
| 15:59.45 | Xinhuan | exactly |
| 15:59.53 | kenlyric | man, both my daily cooking quests were crappy |
| 16:00.09 | kenlyric | no recipe, no good foods. |
| 16:00.26 | kenlyric | my horde one had clefthoof/warp flesh, so that's good for future dailies. |
| 16:00.35 | Xinhuan | the code shows though, execution is still secure until some point inside the securecall() |
| 16:01.05 | Xinhuan | but the taint.log says the execution taint came from line 2421 from my tainted updateContainerFrameAnchors() |
| 16:01.09 | nevcairiel | the log doesnt show where the taint occured in an "blocked" message, thats a flaw imho |
| 16:01.19 | Xinhuan | but my tainted updateContainerFrameAnchors() couldn't possibly have run before the action blocked |
| 16:01.26 | sylvanaar_work | usually its the blizzard code tainting itself |
| 16:01.48 | kenlyric | hunting knife, lol |
| 16:01.51 | kenlyric | vendors for 8s. |
| 16:03.06 | nevcairiel | the "action was blocked" message should really provide a trackback to the taint, not a trackback to the execution path |
| 16:03.17 | nevcairiel | its nearly impossible to pin down a taint |
| 16:03.45 | Xinhuan | so as far as i'm concerned, a taint occured _inside_ the securecall(), but the securecall() allowed execution to return to the caller? |
| 16:04.04 | Xinhuan | so later on at line 2420 and 2421, the execution could then be retainted |
| 16:04.12 | Xinhuan | by FCF and that frame container function |
| 16:04.55 | Xinhuan | does securecall() do that? |
| 16:04.55 | nevcairiel | CONTAINER_OFFSET_Y seems to be tainted |
| 16:05.04 | nevcairiel | thus tainting the func there |
| 16:05.35 | nevcairiel | securecall makes sure the calling function doesnt get tainted by taint inside the called func |
| 16:05.51 | Xinhuan | i don't see CONTAINER_OFFSET_Y being referenced |
| 16:06.05 | nevcairiel | Global variable CONTAINER_OFFSET_Y tainted by JoChatTimestamp - setglobal() |
| 16:06.14 | Xinhuan | which line? |
| 16:06.34 | nevcairiel | or Global variable PETACTIONBAR_YPOS tainted by JoChatTimestamp - setglobal() - line 96 |
| 16:07.13 | Xinhuan | that taint occured after the action blocked, not before |
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| 16:08.17 | Xinhuan | all the taint.log that has a timestamp of 11/21 19:46:42.849 occured within the same frame |
| 16:08.33 | Xinhuan | 11/21 19:46:42.864 would be the next frame's onUpdate |
| 16:08.46 | Xinhuan | i think? |
| 16:08.57 | [Ammo] | hooking ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler is only useful if you want to block a message, adjusting a message just won't work |
| 16:09.59 | nevcairiel | why not? |
| 16:09.59 | nevcairiel | just modify arg1 |
| 16:09.59 | [Ammo] | nope |
| 16:09.59 | AlexanderB | what does that mean? |
| 16:09.59 | [Ammo] | that won't work |
| 16:09.59 | [Ammo] | can't add timestamps for instance |
| 16:09.59 | [Ammo] | or add playername coloring |
| 16:10.00 | AlexanderB | often get the error interface action blocked cause addon error |
| 16:10.11 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan, did you get around to writing that wiki page? |
| 16:10.16 | Xinhuan | nah not yet |
| 16:10.24 | Ellipsis | too bad >_> |
| 16:10.25 | Xinhuan | i'm more interested in finding out what caused the taint |
| 16:10.28 | Xinhuan | in this case |
| 16:10.48 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: .864 looks like the next event, since it originates from an event handler .. not necessarily onupdate |
| 16:11.24 | nevcairiel | [Ammo]: why cant i edit the arg1? from the code of MessageEventHandler, it should work |
| 16:11.24 | [Ammo] | nevcairiel: check the framexml code for the chatframe message handler |
| 16:11.30 | [Ammo] | it won't work |
| 16:11.38 | [Ammo] | check the code |
| 16:11.46 | nevcairiel | i did |
| 16:11.47 | [Ammo] | it builds the whole string including clickable playerlink etc |
| 16:11.48 | nevcairiel | i dont see why |
| 16:11.57 | [Ammo] | now how do I adda timestamp oin front of that |
| 16:12.21 | [Ammo] | and for instance cchannel_notice would need a special handler |
| 16:12.30 | [Ammo] | since it does: format(getglobal("CHAT_"..arg1.."_NOTICE") |
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| 16:13.14 | [Ammo] | for channels they build a whole body var |
| 16:13.29 | [Ammo] | which prpends arg1 with lots of drek |
| 16:13.35 | nevcairiel | oh yeah i see, i shouldve scrolled down more |
| 16:13.49 | [Ammo] | basically it can't be done |
| 16:13.56 | Xinhuan | ok back to my pastey, what is the issue though? |
| 16:13.58 | [Ammo] | unless you replace the whole handler |
| 16:14.11 | Xinhuan | its clear that chattimestamps has nothing to do with the actionblocked |
| 16:14.13 | [Ammo] | and duplicate all code |
| 16:14.42 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: i suppose your addon the only one running? |
| 16:14.46 | Xinhuan | since timestamps doesn't do anything at all until UIParent tries to print the error message |
| 16:15.06 | Xinhuan | actually it isn't, running my usual set of addons |
| 16:15.08 | nevcairiel | UIParent is stupid there anyway, it should change the order, and :AddMessage last |
| 16:15.38 | nevcairiel | tried with only your addon? |
| 16:15.43 | nevcairiel | and, is that the full taintlog? |
| 16:15.47 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 16:15.58 | [Ammo] | I see SCL in there as well |
| 16:18.24 | Xinhuan | the whole taint.log just doesn't make sense to me |
| 16:18.41 | nevcairiel | try running with only your addon |
| 16:18.48 | nevcairiel | if you know how to reproduce the issue that is |
| 16:19.35 | nevcairiel | UIParent_ManageFramePositions() is a common target for taint |
| 16:20.46 | nevcairiel | the log says your chat addons fault |
| 16:21.49 | Xinhuan | i don't know how true that is, WorldEventAlwaysShown frame doesn't touch the chat log |
| 16:24.53 | Xinhuan | i'll see if i can generate another taint.log with a minimal set of addons |
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| 16:27.16 | JCinDE | Good morning folks. |
| 16:28.26 | Crysli | Afternoon-ish here but hi :) |
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| 16:29.12 | phawx | damn it, i just fell through the earth in slave pens ;( |
| 16:29.50 | SunTsu | phawx: That's your punishment for not listening to the slave's pleads |
| 16:31.00 | Crysli | My gamecard expired :( |
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| 16:33.08 | Crysli | Someone soothe me puh-leez :( |
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| 16:37.27 | JCinDE | Is there an ace mod that makes all windows movable? |
| 16:37.32 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: from going over that and some other taintlogs, the taint that matters seems to always be listed before the block message, but there is your taint from BankItems .. but as you said, last line in the func .. so no idea, really. |
| 16:37.52 | Xinhuan | ya, i have no idea |
| 16:37.59 | JCinDE | I use FluidFrames for it now. |
| 16:38.25 | nevcairiel | the "blocked" message should list directly where the taint came from |
| 16:39.56 | Xinhuan | i've never had issues with my chattimestamps... in the last 9 months |
| 16:40.59 | sag_ich_nicht | JCinDE if fluidframes works for you, why would you want an acemod to do it? |
| 16:41.23 | JCinDE | Because I'm lazy and want to update all my mods with WAU. ;-) |
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| 16:41.38 | sag_ich_nicht | okay i can accept that reason :P |
| 16:41.54 | [Ammo] | hmm I have a feeling calls to GuildRoster() sometimes break the GuildControl window |
| 16:42.11 | Xinhuan | correct ammo |
| 16:42.12 | [Ammo] | and not show the correct rank |
| 16:42.32 | Xinhuan | its been traced to GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE event causing the guild control frame to "refresh" |
| 16:42.42 | [Ammo] | I know |
| 16:42.50 | [Ammo] | but only if the arg1 is a true value |
| 16:42.53 | JCinDE | Does Nargiddley ever hang out in here? Baggins author? |
| 16:42.54 | [Ammo] | then it calls GuildRoster |
| 16:42.59 | [Ammo] | yes he does JCinDE |
| 16:43.13 | JCinDE | I'll have to watch for him. |
| 16:43.20 | [Ammo] | but only if the GuildFrame:IsShown() |
| 16:43.24 | [Ammo] | however |
| 16:43.30 | [Ammo] | without addons installed it always works |
| 16:43.38 | [Ammo] | but with RollCall + GuildFu -> bonkers |
| 16:44.00 | Xinhuan | isn't it fixed in LibRoster |
| 16:44.12 | [Ammo] | it's either RollCall or GuildFu |
| 16:44.20 | [Ammo] | maybe it's fixed in the new LibRollCall |
| 16:44.22 | [Ammo] | but I don't use that |
| 16:44.26 | Xinhuan | i know i asked ck to fix it and he did |
| 16:44.31 | [Ammo] | ok |
| 16:44.38 | [Ammo] | then I'll check and fix the others too |
| 16:44.52 | Xinhuan | all he did was nil out the OnEvent on GuildControlFrame |
| 16:45.24 | [Ammo] | I see |
| 16:45.50 | [Ammo] | wonder why it works properly without addons then |
| 16:46.10 | Xinhuan | because his addon calls the server to update the guild list every 5 secs |
| 16:46.23 | Xinhuan | hence a ROSTER_UPDATE gets thrown every 5 secs |
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| 16:46.32 | Xinhuan | its in the lib |
| 16:46.34 | Xinhuan | or something |
| 16:46.35 | [Ammo] | ok, but that shouldn't be needed |
| 16:47.06 | [Ammo] | and GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE is not called from GuildRoster() |
| 16:47.16 | [Ammo] | otherwise blizzard would have a loop in their code right here :p |
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| 16:47.26 | Xinhuan | i dont' know the specifics |
| 16:47.30 | Xinhuan | you should check ck's commit |
| 16:47.32 | [Ammo] | it would explain my C stack overflows when clicking the roster selection though |
| 16:47.34 | [Ammo] | I checked it |
| 16:47.36 | [Ammo] | and it's a hackjob |
| 16:47.43 | [Ammo] | I suppose it works |
| 16:48.04 | Xinhuan | i would have unregistered the event |
| 16:48.07 | Xinhuan | rather than nil the handler |
| 16:48.17 | [Ammo] | I don't think you need to unregister the event |
| 16:48.26 | [Ammo] | and there is also no need to call GUILD_ROSTER every 5 secs |
| 16:48.37 | [Ammo] | or GuildRoster() rather |
| 16:48.45 | nevcairiel | dont you have events and all if something changes in guild? |
| 16:48.51 | [Ammo] | yeah you do |
| 16:48.52 | nevcairiel | or does he want to know where people are? |
| 16:49.04 | Xinhuan | its for carto_guildpositions |
| 16:49.06 | [Ammo] | if something really changes then GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE has an arg1 that is a true value |
| 16:49.14 | Xinhuan | so he has to do it to constantly update peoples location |
| 16:49.19 | Xinhuan | zone name that is? |
| 16:49.29 | nevcairiel | i thought you submit your onw position |
| 16:49.33 | nevcairiel | could easily send zone too |
| 16:49.35 | nevcairiel | and avoid those calls |
| 16:49.37 | Xinhuan | not sure |
| 16:49.45 | Xinhuan | i believe it at least counts the number of guildies online |
| 16:50.07 | [Ammo] | I just think this is kind of a fucked up solution |
| 16:50.08 | Xinhuan | since the algo of the freequency that sends the guildposition is inverse logarithm with the amount of guildies online |
| 16:50.09 | [Ammo] | but I'm not sure |
| 16:50.27 | Xinhuan | i probably made it sound complicated ;p |
| 16:50.46 | nevcairiel | number of guildies could be saved from one call and only refresh when the event hits you |
| 16:50.47 | nevcairiel | imho |
| 16:51.03 | [Ammo] | yeah there is something very wrong with all this |
| 16:51.15 | [Ammo] | specially since I get C Stack overflows when I tick the 'offline online' members tickbox |
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| 16:59.09 | Xinhuan | so at the moment, i'm running AV |
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| 16:59.24 | Xinhuan | with just BankItems, JoChatTimeStamps and SimpleCombatLog running as the only 3 addons |
| 16:59.42 | Xinhuan | 11/22 00:55:09.880 Execution tainted by BankItems while reading updateContainerFrameAnchors - Interface\FrameXML\UIParent.lua:2421 UIParent_ManageFramePositions() |
| 16:59.46 | Xinhuan | this is tainting as expected |
| 16:59.56 | Xinhuan | but i haven't got any action blocked yet when i summon Water Elemental |
| 17:01.01 | Xinhuan | so i'l probably see if i can reproduce the action blocked |
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| 17:01.47 | nevcairiel | get the WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame to update :D |
| 17:01.54 | Xinhuan | it is |
| 17:01.58 | Xinhuan | i attached a |
| 17:01.59 | Xinhuan | 11/22 00:55:09.880 Execution tainted by BankItems while reading updateContainerFrameAnchors - Interface\FrameXML\UIParent.lua:2421 UIParent_ManageFramePositions() |
| 17:02.02 | Xinhuan | oops |
| 17:02.28 | Xinhuan | /run hooksecurefunc("WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame_Update", function() ChatFrame1:AddMessage(event) end ) |
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| 17:02.35 | Xinhuan | i ran that to make sure it was correct |
| 17:02.48 | Xinhuan | UPDATE_WORLD_STATES is firing about 20 times a minute in AV |
| 17:03.01 | Xinhuan | and it is calling UIParent_Updateblahblah |
| 17:03.15 | Xinhuan | and it is tainting on the very last function call to my tainted updateContainerFrameAnchors() |
| 17:03.17 | Xinhuan | as expected |
| 17:03.20 | Xinhuan | no action blocked yet |
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| 17:03.40 | Xinhuan | with SCL and timestamps all correctly working |
| 17:05.04 | phawx | is there a way to make FishingAce a single click instead of double? |
| 17:06.34 | Xinhuan | i don't get it zzzz |
| 17:07.35 | durcyn | phawx: uh, why? it would re-cast intead of looting when you clicked your lure. |
| 17:08.16 | phawx | when i right lcick on lure, after i catch something, my window opens and i autoloot |
| 17:08.42 | phawx | so a single click would suffice |
| 17:08.47 | Xinhuan | in fact when my pet expires after 45 seconds, the "event == nil" |
| 17:08.49 | Xinhuan | is true |
| 17:08.53 | durcyn | you misunderstand. if it was single-click cast, all it would do is cast. |
| 17:08.54 | Xinhuan | during the call lol |
| 17:09.07 | durcyn | fishingace creates a button that covers the entire screen |
| 17:09.33 | JCinDE | nevcairiel: is there a way to specify which bartender3 bars are included in the paging rotation for bar 1? |
| 17:09.41 | nevcairiel | no |
| 17:09.45 | nevcairiel | not right now |
| 17:10.14 | JCinDE | k |
| 17:10.29 | nevcairiel | except you want to hack your copy, ActionBarStates.lua line 383 |
| 17:11.04 | JCinDE | Me? Hack? It's as if you know me. ;-) |
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| 17:21.25 | Lothaer | mmmmm Notepad++ |
| 17:21.53 | Lothaer | WTB mohawk class lol |
| 17:22.16 | Xinhuan | test |
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| 17:22.23 | Lothaer | test |
| 17:24.00 | Xinhuan | so who remembers the story i told yesterday where we didn't get the Epic gems that spawned when we killed azgalor? |
| 17:24.00 | dylanm | Sounds frighteningly interesting. |
| 17:24.00 | Xinhuan | because thrall died after we killed azgalor |
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| 17:24.01 | Ellipsis | I remember |
| 17:24.01 | Xinhuan | my member petitioned and got this reply after 3 GMs |
| 17:24.01 | Xinhuan | http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2737/archimondewo5.jpg |
| 17:24.02 | Xinhuan | if you remeber |
| 17:24.14 | Xinhuan | so now, i'm playing in this AV and out of nowhere, a GM whispers me |
| 17:24.25 | dylanm | Was it the typical GM "wooops oh well" deal? |
| 17:24.28 | Xinhuan | and for a moment i thought he was checking if i am AFKing in AV, since i am in the cave |
| 17:24.33 | Xinhuan | i'm trying to debug my addon |
| 17:24.39 | Xinhuan | and someone must have reported me or something |
| 17:24.55 | Xinhuan | anyway, the conversation is as follows.... let me screenshot :) |
| 17:25.01 | SunTsu | .o0( I can feel the tension ) |
| 17:25.30 | Megalon | i almost feel it, he'll marry her at the end |
| 17:26.08 | dylanm | Can't get the first image to load ahhh. |
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| 17:26.49 | Xinhuan | i guess you'll have to see that first screenshot first |
| 17:26.59 | Borked|Raider | is this proper syntax -> pairs(Raider.getLog("CURRENT") and Raider.getLog("CURRENT").players); --want to do pairs on Raider.getLog("CURRENT").players if Raider.getLog("CURRENT") returns a tbl? |
| 17:27.21 | Borked|Raider | or should i store it in a variable first and check with if then else? |
| 17:27.42 | dylanm | Um calling the function twice is probably bad. |
| 17:28.01 | dylanm | It'll probably work if the only other thing getLog can return is nil, though. |
| 17:28.13 | Borked|Raider | nil or the table yes |
| 17:29.50 | Borked|Raider | hmm, thinking of it, dont think it will work, gotta test if pairs(nil) returns an error |
| 17:30.26 | Borked|Raider | > pairs(nil) stdin:1: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got nil) stack traceback: [C]: in function 'pairs' stdin:1: in main chunk |
| 17:30.38 | Borked|Raider | so ye, just gonna do it with ifthen els, doh |
| 17:30.55 | dylanm | Hm. That's kind of a shame. |
| 17:31.18 | Xinhuan | apparently, i can't get the bug to reproduce in AV |
| 17:31.22 | Xinhuan | for action blocked |
| 17:31.27 | Xinhuan | it only seems to occur in hyjal |
| 17:31.35 | Xinhuan | wtf? |
| 17:31.37 | dylanm | Solution: Never go back to Hyjal. |
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| 17:31.52 | nevcairiel | did you enable all other addons again? |
| 17:31.55 | Xinhuan | yes lol |
| 17:32.25 | Xinhuan | i think i'll just forget the issue ever existed |
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| 17:32.36 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:33.04 | Xinhuan | because as far as i can tell, BankItems can never taint any important thing since updateContainerFrameAnchors() is only ever called at the end |
| 17:33.10 | nevcairiel | maybe some rare condiiton |
| 17:33.19 | Xinhuan | and i replace it to reposition the bags |
| 17:33.24 | Xinhuan | instead of blizzard's position |
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| 17:33.44 | Xinhuan | it has code to auto scale down the size of your bags when you have too mang bags open, etc |
| 17:33.48 | Borked|Raider | :w |
| 17:33.48 | Xinhuan | in the default UI |
| 17:33.50 | Borked|Raider | doh |
| 17:33.53 | Borked|Raider | wronge window |
| 17:33.55 | Xinhuan | so i'm replacing that |
| 17:34.06 | Xinhuan | where my "virtual bags" can also open in it |
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| 17:35.00 | Xinhuan | so far, 11 months has passed and nobody has complained about a taint from BankItems yet from 90k downloads ;p |
| 17:35.33 | nevcairiel | taints get blamed all around anyway, i wouldnt trust that log entirely |
| 17:35.43 | Xinhuan | its just weird |
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| 17:36.03 | Xinhuan | think if i posted something slouken would figure it out? |
| 17:36.05 | Cartas | I blame Xinhuan for tainting. |
| 17:36.35 | nevcairiel | you could try |
| 17:36.40 | Borked|Raider | who cares, tainting is just filling your hardrive if you got the log enabled :DDD |
| 17:37.10 | Xinhuan | thanks, you just reminded me to turn off logging |
| 17:37.23 | Xinhuan | its only 80 mb now |
| 17:37.25 | SunTsu | Xinhuan: Did I miss the GM part? ;) |
| 17:37.26 | Borked|Raider | .D |
| 17:38.27 | Xinhuan | Borked|Raider, the story wouldn't really be meaningful without the imgshack one first ~_~ |
| 17:38.40 | Ellipsis | I still wanna see :( |
| 17:40.23 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/gmreply.jpg |
| 17:40.26 | Xinhuan | ok is isn't much |
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| 17:40.39 | Xinhuan | ok it isn't much |
| 17:41.13 | Xinhuan | i'm just more than surprised that a GM is going to the extent of helping us recovering those epic gems |
| 17:41.19 | Xinhuan | i didn't even petition |
| 17:41.20 | Ellipsis | wow |
| 17:41.23 | Ellipsis | that's pretty awesome |
| 17:41.29 | thul | hmm |
| 17:41.35 | Ellipsis | WTB GMs like that on my servers, wtf :/ |
| 17:41.38 | CIA-8 | 03funkydude 07Ace3 * r55617 10Quartz/ (28 files in 14 dirs): Quartz: tweaks |
| 17:41.42 | dylanm | Well he went through the instance... I mean that's a lot of effort in the first place but it would verify things no? |
| 17:42.00 | dylanm | But yeah that rocks pretty hard. |
| 17:42.03 | thul | hmm, i won't the warblades :-( |
| 17:42.13 | Xinhuan | btw panz did repetition right after we killed archimonde |
| 17:42.16 | Xinhuan | but that GM who received it |
| 17:42.27 | Xinhuan | said if he repetitioned again, it would be counted as GM harassment |
| 17:42.30 | Xinhuan | so he didn't do it |
| 17:42.33 | Ellipsis | wtf |
| 17:42.36 | Ellipsis | that's so dumb |
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| 17:42.48 | Xinhuan | he instead sent an email to the address indicated in the other screenshot |
| 17:42.53 | Xinhuan | the same GM as this one that is |
| 17:43.09 | Xinhuan | this is also the 3rd GM panz talked to that was helpful apparently |
| 17:43.17 | Xinhuan | the first 2 didn't give useful replies |
| 17:43.31 | dylanm | So is there a follow-up here? |
| 17:43.42 | Stanzilla | he said he is a senior gm |
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| 17:44.01 | nevcairiel | probably the teamleader then |
| 17:44.09 | Xinhuan | yes, panz requested to talk to a senior one, since a stupid junior one would be highly unlikely to spawm gem nodes right? |
| 17:44.13 | nevcairiel | all that fuzz about some veins |
| 17:44.18 | Ellipsis | it sounds like they're actually trying to solve an issue rather than forgetting it as soon as the conversation ends |
| 17:44.26 | Ellipsis | which is like, weird for a GM |
| 17:44.45 | kenlyric | last day |
| 17:45.02 | kenlyric | all blizzard employees become useful their last week. |
| 17:45.18 | nevcairiel | we have like stacks of all gem colors in our guildbank |
| 17:45.43 | nevcairiel | suppose we could sell some .. mm |
| 17:45.50 | Xinhuan | so i have about 1020 of each epic gem |
| 17:45.52 | Xinhuan | 10-20 |
| 17:45.55 | Xinhuan | but only 1 red one |
| 17:45.56 | Xinhuan | zzz |
| 17:46.00 | nevcairiel | we lack blue ones |
| 17:46.02 | nevcairiel | <10 of those |
| 17:46.06 | nevcairiel | >30 of all other |
| 17:46.07 | cryogen | Ellipsis: gms arent per-server :p |
| 17:46.23 | Xinhuan | i believe GMs are assigned by battlegroup |
| 17:46.33 | cryogen | i dont think that applies either |
| 17:46.40 | Xinhuan | once, i had a member that chatted with a GM for over 2 hours |
| 17:46.44 | nevcairiel | i suppose they are assigned by some group |
| 17:46.46 | Xinhuan | just idle chat after the ticket |
| 17:46.47 | JCinDE | nevcairiel: does it only allow pages 2-6? |
| 17:46.49 | nevcairiel | but switch group every week or so |
| 17:47.05 | cryogen | there are a lot of gms, i know that much |
| 17:47.11 | cryogen | so many that ive never talked to the same one twice, ever |
| 17:47.15 | cryogen | and ive raised quite some tickets |
| 17:47.27 | nevcairiel | JCinDE: blizzard paging limits you to 1-6 .. and 1 gets assigned automagically |
| 17:47.50 | Xinhuan | still, my point was that GM totally shocked me |
| 17:47.51 | Saroz | where is ckknight these days? |
| 17:47.57 | Xinhuan | i was expecting an AV afk check |
| 17:48.03 | Xinhuan | and it turned out to be something totally different |
| 17:48.07 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 17:48.24 | nevcairiel | i dont think they bother with afk checks |
| 17:48.26 | cryogen | usually with that sort of thing the gm just responds with "get the gm/raid leader to raise a ticket" |
| 17:48.33 | nevcairiel | if enough people hit report, they just boot you |
| 17:48.42 | durcyn | he's around, Saroz, apparently dealing with some dead-pc issues |
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| 17:49.27 | Saroz | I see, havnt seen many commits from him lately, so was wondering |
| 17:49.36 | JCinDE | nevcairiel: does it only allow pages 2-6? (sorry if you answered already, I'm not even sure if the question went through) |
| 17:50.31 | nevcairiel | JCinDE: blizzard paging limits you to 1-6 .. and 1 gets assigned automagically |
| 17:50.46 | JCinDE | I see. Thanks. |
| 17:51.01 | nevcairiel | you can page to the other pages for stances or modifiers |
| 17:51.06 | nevcairiel | but that sort of paging is only 1-6 |
| 17:51.21 | JCinDE | So I should just make sure my always-visible bars are >6 |
| 17:51.35 | nevcairiel | either that, or limit it there |
| 17:51.52 | nevcairiel | i might add an option when i have the time |
| 17:52.10 | Saroz | I need a new mod |
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| 17:52.44 | JCinDE | one more question. On the stickyframes code...did the code I sent you filter disabled and hidden frames from the "sticky pool"? I might have added that after I sent it. |
| 17:53.02 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 17:53.07 | Ordog | check for modifications? ^^ |
| 17:53.15 | Ordog | compare revisions |
| 17:54.36 | JCinDE | Disabled frames being sticky can cause odd behavior when trying to position. Filtering out hidden frames provides an easy way to temporarily remove a bar from the pool if you're tyring to fine-tune the layout. |
| 17:56.41 | thul | anyone tried logitech wave keyboard? |
| 18:02.36 | CIA-8 | 03funkydude 07Ace3 * r55618 10Quartz/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Quartz: remove babble dep |
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| 18:04.35 | JCinDE | stupid disconnects are making me crazy |
| 18:06.13 | CIA-8 | 03funkydude 07Ace3 * r55620 10Quartz/ (embeds.xml libs/): Quartz: tweak embeds |
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| 18:09.43 | Xinhuan | so Funkeh`, can you remove the Grip bars on archimonde on decurse? or should i post on forums, or nag you everyday :) |
| 18:10.00 | Funkeh` | I'm not removing them |
| 18:10.24 | Xinhuan | time to bug ammo :( |
| 18:11.18 | Funkeh` | Xinhuan, they are in there for a reason and they will stay |
| 18:11.38 | Stanzilla | ## X-Embeds: Ace2 <- in the Ace3 version of quartz :P |
| 18:11.46 | Xinhuan | my question is, why do the bars remain on screen even after they are decursed? how is it useful? |
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| 18:12.32 | Funkeh` | currently, i don't care, i'll look at what I can do later |
| 18:12.38 | Xinhuan | a similar logic is a rogue using cloak of shadows on static charge at Vashj to get rid of it, a bar that continues to countdown is misleading |
| 18:12.41 | Funkeh` | but they will stay |
| 18:13.54 | Kalroth | Why not just make an option for them? |
| 18:14.08 | Kalroth | Which defaults to showing them |
| 18:14.21 | Xinhuan | i think he's just lazy, and that if i submit a patch, he would put it in |
| 18:14.24 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 18:14.28 | Kalroth | Aha |
| 18:14.40 | Kalroth | Well if you're lazy, then you shouldn't bug him! |
| 18:14.41 | Xinhuan | is that correct? |
| 18:14.59 | Funkeh` | I will probably just add in an option, later |
| 18:15.03 | Xinhuan | nah, i can do it, just not right now |
| 18:15.19 | Funkeh` | Its not particularly high priority |
| 18:15.31 | Xinhuan | whats on the priority list atm? out of curiosity |
| 18:15.55 | Funkeh` | me fiddling with ace3 adn my addons, is that ok for you? |
| 18:16.03 | Funkeh` | should i drop everything and fix it? |
| 18:16.18 | Kalroth | You're in a swell mood, funky! |
| 18:16.23 | Xinhuan | :( i was just asking! |
| 18:16.29 | Funkeh` | I need some food >.> |
| 18:17.00 | Xinhuan | me too, time to call mcdonalds delivery |
| 18:17.16 | Xinhuan | in singapore, they delivery 24/7 round the clock |
| 18:17.19 | Xinhuan | no minimum order |
| 18:17.31 | Xinhuan | orders above $200 must be called at least 2 hours in advance :) |
| 18:17.43 | Stanzilla | o m g |
| 18:17.49 | Stanzilla | I need something like that here in germany |
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| 18:18.13 | Xinhuan | with the exception of a certain industrial estate they dont' serve, they will pretty much deliver to any address |
| 18:18.43 | Xinhuan | even pizza can't beat that, they only do 11am-11pm here! |
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| 18:19.25 | Xinhuan | KFC and Pizza Hut and Taco Bell merged over here, so they all deliver 11am-11pm |
| 18:19.48 | Stanzilla | :O |
| 18:20.08 | Ellipsis | mcdonalds delivers there? wtf? |
| 18:20.12 | NivFreak | We have a couple pizza places that deliver until 4am |
| 18:20.18 | NivFreak | which is pretty good |
| 18:20.22 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 18:20.39 | kenlyric | damnit. |
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| 18:20.50 | NivFreak | I just can't imagine wanting to order mcdonalds |
| 18:20.54 | Ellipsis | most everything is open 24 hours here, but nothing delivers that late x.x |
| 18:20.55 | NivFreak | much less having it delivered |
| 18:21.03 | lhunath | Is there a logic behind the move to decimal revision numbers? |
| 18:21.03 | Xinhuan | http://www.mcdonalds.com.sg/ |
| 18:21.05 | Xinhuan | check it out |
| 18:21.12 | kenlyric | I think I may have efficiencied myself out of another job. |
| 18:21.14 | Ellipsis | decimal revision numbers? |
| 18:21.18 | Xinhuan | McDelivery, 24/7, Call 67773777! |
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| 18:21.32 | Xinhuan | yes, all mcdonalds chains open 24/7 lol |
| 18:21.35 | lhunath | Yeah, like Aloft 55081.7 |
| 18:21.49 | jeramy | yay, i found nautilussvn |
| 18:21.50 | Ellipsis | lhunath: the decimal isn't actually part of a revision number |
| 18:21.58 | Ellipsis | it's the number of times the zip has been repackaged |
| 18:22.03 | Ellipsis | due to library updates, etc. |
| 18:22.07 | lhunath | ;x |
| 18:22.41 | lhunath | and you couldn't make a new tag for that rather than putting it into the version tag? :P |
| 18:22.45 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 18:22.48 | Ellipsis | it's been like that for a while... |
| 18:22.54 | lhunath | probably. |
| 18:23.08 | Ellipsis | no-ext zips don't have decimals |
| 18:23.10 | Ellipsis | if that helps |
| 18:23.12 | kenlyric | no, it had to be in the filename, not in a tag. |
| 18:23.13 | lhunath | I'm just updating my Java ace updater. been out of the scene for a while. |
| 18:23.20 | CIA-8 | 03funkydude 07Ace3 * r55621 10Quartz/ (Quartz.toc embeds.xml libs/): Quartz: externals finished hopefully |
| 18:23.23 | kenlyric | it was made that way to fix updaters. |
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| 18:23.36 | kenlyric | there was an... unfortunate incident with an ace library :) |
| 18:23.36 | Ellipsis | it shouldn't be terribly hard to parse out... |
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| 18:23.51 | lhunath | no; but I shouldn't have to |
| 18:23.52 | lhunath | heh |
| 18:23.57 | lhunath | anyway; good to know. |
| 18:24.19 | lhunath | what happened exactly that made you introduce this scheme? |
| 18:24.26 | kenlyric | updaters were saying "oh, this mod hasn't been updated in 3 months" when in fact it had a critical embed updated a day ago. |
| 18:24.40 | lhunath | right. |
| 18:24.51 | kenlyric | so then you'd get fun version conflicts of embeds. |
| 18:24.52 | Undine | hmm, would omen/threat/recount give a lag-pause on entering/leaving combat? |
| 18:24.58 | kenlyric | it downright crashed wow for a week. |
| 18:25.12 | kenlyric | and we'd be all "update your mods noob" and they'd be all "we did!" |
| 18:25.18 | kenlyric | and they really were. |
| 18:25.24 | lhunath | so if the decimal changes and I'm using embedded libs I should update. |
| 18:25.33 | lhunath | but when using external libs I should ignore it? |
| 18:25.41 | kenlyric | ding |
| 18:25.50 | Ellipsis | as I said, the no-ext zips don't even have that decimal part |
| 18:25.56 | Ellipsis | so there's nothing there to ignore :) |
| 18:25.58 | silentium | actually it's not a decimal number, 12345.10 is higher than 12345.9, so it's more of a major/minor version number |
| 18:26.02 | kenlyric | it's why I use externals. Fewer updates. |
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| 18:26.22 | lhunath | is there an updater around that does clever dependency checking for externalized-lib addons? haven't really looked at WAU for a while. |
| 18:26.38 | lhunath | silentium: that's important information. |
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| 18:26.54 | Ellipsis | WAU does automatic dependency downloading |
| 18:26.58 | NightHawkAtWork | silentium: something that apparently certain updator authors could not grasp |
| 18:27.04 | Ellipsis | but its source is not freely available any more |
| 18:27.37 | lhunath | I'm thinking of making mine visualise the whole dependency tree in a nice graph. |
| 18:27.41 | NightHawkAtWork | wait, wau isn't open source anymore? lame. |
| 18:27.50 | Ellipsis | NightHawkAtWork: technically it is, but good luck getting your hands on it |
| 18:27.58 | lhunath | it's still .NET, right? |
| 18:28.01 | Ellipsis | yup |
| 18:28.01 | NightHawkAtWork | Ellipsis: equally lame. |
| 18:28.11 | lhunath | runs under mono? |
| 18:28.15 | NightHawkAtWork | no |
| 18:28.15 | Ellipsis | supposedly |
| 18:28.27 | NightHawkAtWork | does it? meh, i'm a bit ouf of touch |
| 18:28.31 | kenlyric | if you put ads in your apllication would you keep the source open? |
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| 18:28.35 | Ellipsis | there are better updaters for non-windows platforms though |
| 18:28.44 | NightHawkAtWork | kenlyric: yes, but that's me. |
| 18:28.47 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 18:28.55 | lhunath | kenlyric: so that everybody can patch them out? :) |
| 18:29.11 | kenlyric | better to just not put the ads in at all since nobody will use it. |
| 18:29.12 | NightHawkAtWork | Ellipsis: i like the "write my own damn script that does exactly what i want" kind of updater :) |
| 18:29.13 | Ellipsis | the ads are for a good cause |
| 18:29.20 | CIA-8 | 03quagmire * r55622 10nQuestLog/ (72 files in 24 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 18:29.20 | CIA-8 | nQuestLog |
| 18:29.20 | CIA-8 | - Massive standardization, optimization, and reorganization of code |
| 18:29.20 | CIA-8 | nQuestLog:Bindings.xml |
| 18:29.20 | CIA-8 | - Code reduction |
| 18:29.20 | CIA-8 | nQuestLog:core.lua |
| 18:29.22 | CIA-8 | - Renamed to nQuestLogCore.lua |
| 18:29.37 | Ellipsis | NightHawkAtWork: I like the "I'm lazy and hate WAU so I'll find an alternative that has the features I really like" kind :P |
| 18:29.46 | NightHawkAtWork | :P |
| 18:29.54 | Ellipsis | to each his..or her..own :P |
| 18:30.12 | kenlyric | if you're lazy you'd just use wau. |
| 18:30.31 | kenlyric | F10. F7 |
| 18:30.43 | kenlyric | no F7 if you're really lazy |
| 18:31.10 | lhunath | I would really like to see an rsync server for ace addons. It would help bandwidth usage so much for both parties. |
| 18:31.10 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: up arrow, enter |
| 18:31.43 | kenlyric | wait, what's this? |
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| 18:32.06 | lhunath | kenlyric: are you referring to me? |
| 18:32.12 | lhunath | nm. |
| 18:32.16 | kenlyric | no |
| 18:32.53 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: I use CmdAceUpdater and leave a command prompt open in that dir 24/7 |
| 18:33.03 | Ellipsis | with cmdau -u as the last command (usually) |
| 18:33.40 | kenlyric | hmmmm. hot |
| 18:33.59 | NightHawkAtWork | lhunath: yeah, rsync would be pretty sex |
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| 18:34.05 | Ellipsis | what's really hot is Remove.conf ;P |
| 18:34.47 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis |
| 18:34.48 | sag_ich_nicht | help |
| 18:34.55 | sag_ich_nicht | #wowi-lounge is scaring me :( |
| 18:35.42 | sag_ich_nicht | they were sucking ron pauls dick in the channel |
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| 18:35.51 | sag_ich_nicht | so i decided to flame him |
| 18:35.52 | Ellipsis | oh god |
| 18:35.56 | sag_ich_nicht | because all of the canditates suck |
| 18:36.00 | sag_ich_nicht | *candidates |
| 18:36.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: what's your point of view to that :( |
| 18:36.51 | Ellipsis | to what? ron paul? |
| 18:36.53 | sag_ich_nicht | do i have to think of you as a fool too :( |
| 18:37.03 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: that, or all of the candidates for that matter :P |
| 18:37.14 | Ellipsis | I don't have any opinions on the election itself, I'm just sick of hearing about ron paul (my bf is a fanboi) |
| 18:37.42 | Kalroth | Is he related to rue paul? |
| 18:39.38 | Josh_Borke | anybody intimate with the shaman class? |
| 18:39.50 | Kalroth | hot |
| 18:39.53 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 18:39.54 | Tornhoof | obviously |
| 18:39.56 | NightHawkAtWork | every night Josh_Borke. |
| 18:40.06 | Josh_Borke | NightHawkAtWork: what ar ethe mechanics for chain heal? |
| 18:40.09 | Ellipsis | I know exactly where they like to be touched |
| 18:40.11 | Josh_Borke | how does it choose targets in a raid? |
| 18:40.17 | NightHawkAtWork | Josh_Borke: magic. |
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| 18:40.18 | Kalroth | I got a thing for the wind fury totem, makes me feel big |
| 18:40.25 | Tornhoof | server side, lowest relative hp |
| 18:40.29 | Tornhoof | in range |
| 18:40.33 | NightHawkAtWork | Yeah, what Tornhoof said |
| 18:40.37 | Josh_Borke | Tornhoof: in a raid group doesn't matter? |
| 18:40.50 | Ellipsis | if you heal someone in your party it stays in your party |
| 18:40.51 | Tornhoof | doesn't matter? |
| 18:40.54 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: i just ended the discussion there |
| 18:40.57 | Tornhoof | no not anymore ellipsis |
| 18:41.00 | Tornhoof | they broke that |
| 18:41.01 | Ellipsis | no? |
| 18:41.02 | sag_ich_nicht | want to know what caused me to leave? :P |
| 18:41.03 | Tornhoof | in 2.1 or stuff |
| 18:41.05 | Josh_Borke | Tornhoof: as in it will cross raid groups |
| 18:41.08 | NightHawkAtWork | no, it'll chain to anyone in the raid group regardless of party as long as they're close enough and misisng hp |
| 18:41.08 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: eh, what then? |
| 18:41.12 | sag_ich_nicht | [19:39] <Intangir> my poin tis art of war doesnt have anything about managing your country |
| 18:41.14 | Tornhoof | yes it will cross |
| 18:41.18 | Josh_Borke | Tornhoof: ok, thanks |
| 18:41.19 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 18:41.26 | Josh_Borke | bb all |
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| 18:44.04 | evl | Uh so |
| 18:44.09 | evl | I reload interface all my macros are gone |
| 18:44.11 | evl | what gives |
| 18:44.26 | evl | Are they stored on client only? |
| 18:44.37 | Kalroth | yes |
| 18:44.45 | Kalroth | I think? Not sure actually |
| 18:44.48 | NightHawkAtWork | macros are all stored client side |
| 18:44.52 | NightHawkAtWork | in your wtf directory |
| 18:44.53 | evl | FUCK |
| 18:44.54 | Kalroth | They used to anyways |
| 18:44.54 | evl | sorry :( |
| 18:44.54 | silentium | macro-cache.txt or something like that in WTF |
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| 18:55.24 | jeramy | anyone here use ksvn? |
| 18:55.46 | kebinusan | Anyone have an opinion on necb vs antagonist? I figured it was a bout time I get something to track player cooldowns / buffs like divine shield and wotf for arenas |
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| 18:59.01 | CIA-8 | 03kergoth * r55623 10FuBar_GarbageFu/GarbageFu.lua: FuBar_GarbageFu: FuBar existance sanity check. |
| 18:59.21 | CIA-8 | 03bom * r55624 10Cartographer_Trainers/ (. Cartographer_Trainers.toc embeds.xml): |
| 18:59.21 | CIA-8 | Cartographer_Trainers |
| 18:59.21 | CIA-8 | - added lib Babble-Zone-2.2 |
| 18:59.43 | NightHawkAtWork | does anyone actualy n eed cart_trainers anymore? |
| 19:00.18 | stavmar | my goodness, thanksgiving lunch at the office is never a good idea... |
| 19:00.39 | NightHawkAtWork | i fail to see why not. |
| 19:01.20 | kenlyric | NightHawkAtWork: sure. |
| 19:01.22 | stavmar | comatose employees with no productivity and sugar rushes from pecan pie with homade whipped cream |
| 19:01.36 | kenlyric | the trainer tracker that blizz gives you shows you their names, not what they track. |
| 19:01.47 | kenlyric | and, doesn't show them on big map. |
| 19:02.08 | NightHawkAtWork | meh, i suppose. I never needed it in the first place, so i see the point even less now. :P |
| 19:02.11 | Xinhuan | one could say these are all unnecessary |
| 19:02.17 | Xinhuan | since you could just ask a guard |
| 19:02.23 | NightHawkAtWork | Xinhuan: that too. |
| 19:02.28 | kenlyric | yeah |
| 19:02.34 | kenlyric | I think you are all missing the purpose of mods. |
| 19:02.40 | kenlyric | they are 4 lazy |
| 19:02.55 | Ellipsis | the trainer one never made sense to me |
| 19:03.09 | NightHawkAtWork | hell, I ditched cart_quests as soon as 2.3 hit |
| 19:03.11 | kenlyric | i always wanted a cart_repairs |
| 19:03.20 | Ellipsis | I mean, if you're playing an alt maybe you don't know where every trainer for your class/professions is...but like, that's what guards are for |
| 19:03.21 | kenlyric | yeah, I ditched quests too. |
| 19:03.22 | Pkekyo| | how's the executioner enchant compared to the mongoose? (for a warrior) |
| 19:03.37 | Xinhuan | lazy is one thing, but what the heck do you need trainers on the map for... ask a guard once, you'll remember it forever |
| 19:03.37 | NightHawkAtWork | Ellipsis: is it sad that I do knwo where every trainer for every class is? |
| 19:03.42 | Ellipsis | NightHawkAtWork: probably |
| 19:03.48 | Ellipsis | I really only know my own trainers well |
| 19:03.56 | NightHawkAtWork | Xinhuan: hell, cart actually has a PoI mod to mark things you ask a gaurd about on your map, so it WILL be there forever. |
| 19:04.09 | kenlyric | I'd have to ask where the warlock trainer in silvermoon is. |
| 19:04.14 | Ellipsis | I know where to find trainers for most classes in the major cities, but not all professions, and certainly not the guys in the noob towns |
| 19:04.43 | NightHawkAtWork | i get really lost in the exodar, actually. i just havn't spent any time there. |
| 19:04.55 | kenlyric | I do wish some of the blizz stuff worked on the big map. |
| 19:04.57 | Ellipsis | exodar took me a couple tries to figure out |
| 19:05.05 | Ellipsis | I've never been able to get the hang of org or UC though |
| 19:05.12 | *** part/#wowace lhunath (n=lhunath@unaffiliated/lhunath) |
| 19:05.16 | Ellipsis | guess it's a good thing I play alliance :P |
| 19:05.18 | kenlyric | because if there sin'tt anything in my minimap area I still want to know the closest one. |
| 19:05.33 | Xinhuan | i know every city by heart |
| 19:05.40 | NightHawkAtWork | pfah, org and uc are easy once you have the basic layout. |
| 19:05.59 | Ellipsis | UC seems particularly dumb to me |
| 19:06.06 | NightHawkAtWork | IF annoys me a bit, because they every damn npc is in a goddamn hole in the goddamn wall |
| 19:06.12 | kenlyric | "<NightHawkAtWork>pfah, org and uc are easy once you have the basic layout." FUCKING DUH |
| 19:06.20 | Ellipsis | at least the 2D map means something in IF |
| 19:06.22 | Ellipsis | in UC? hah |
| 19:06.23 | NightHawkAtWork | which, from the outside, looks exactly like every other hole in the wall |
| 19:06.29 | Ellipsis | everything's on one of like 5 different levels |
| 19:06.31 | Kuja^ | hyperChipmunk: pingy |
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| 19:06.52 | NightHawkAtWork | Ellipsis: there's only three distinct levels, and one of those levels only has two things on it that you rarely use. :P |
| 19:06.56 | Xinhuan | UC is just 4 quarters, divided into Boss, Caster, Melee and Others quarters |
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| 19:07.11 | kenlyric | Boss? |
| 19:07.19 | Ellipsis | 4 quarters on 3 levels, but to get from one to another you usually have to go all the way across the whole city |
| 19:07.34 | Ellipsis | just to find the right stairs/ramps/elevators to your destintaion |
| 19:07.38 | Ellipsis | destination* |
| 19:07.47 | kenlyric | Ellipsis: don't forget, the paths don't go straight through. |
| 19:07.52 | Xinhuan | boss as in its where the "leader" is |
| 19:07.55 | NightHawkAtWork | the only elevators go to the surface, the only way to go between the two main levels is the central pillar. |
| 19:08.06 | Xinhuan | leader of the city |
| 19:08.08 | kenlyric | random jogs are for fun, just like stormwind and silvermoon. |
| 19:08.21 | Ellipsis | now stormwind I love |
| 19:08.24 | NightHawkAtWork | thats what i like about org, you can afk-walk across half the city |
| 19:08.25 | Ellipsis | it's simple |
| 19:08.36 | Ellipsis | logically organized, and the map tells you more or less where you need to go to find anything |
| 19:09.13 | Xinhuan | all 8 cities are logical once you know them |
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| 19:09.20 | Ellipsis | o rly? |
| 19:09.22 | Xinhuan | 9 cities even, since shattrath is the 9th |
| 19:09.46 | kenlyric | logical != familiar. |
| 19:10.00 | kenlyric | and logical != easy to navigate. |
| 19:10.20 | Xinhuan | every city generally is divided into 4 parts "casters" "melee" "others" and "boss" |
| 19:10.24 | Xinhuan | there can be extra sections |
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| 19:10.54 | Pkekyo| | how's the executioner enchant compared to the mongoose? (for a warrior) |
| 19:11.00 | Xinhuan | and its generally well color coded on the city map anyway |
| 19:11.13 | Ellipsis | Darn is actually pretty bad for that |
| 19:11.20 | Ellipsis | I mean, it doesn't even have a proper trade district |
| 19:11.27 | Ellipsis | the bank is in the center and the AH is at some random angle |
| 19:11.41 | Xinhuan | the trade district is in Tradesmen Terrace |
| 19:11.48 | kenlyric | ironforge is the only one that provides continuous circular paths around the city and through it as well. |
| 19:11.57 | Xinhuan | the bank is located in in awkward location only by teldrassil's design |
| 19:11.58 | kenlyric | shat too. |
| 19:11.59 | kebinusan | nice, someone updated alternateblips for 2.3, I missed having that |
| 19:12.04 | kenlyric | though that gets broken up. |
| 19:12.13 | kenlyric | but gogoflying. |
| 19:12.13 | Xinhuan | kenlyric, played closed beta? IF was very different from today |
| 19:12.19 | Ellipsis | yes but the difference between tradesman's terrace and craftsmen's terrace is not very clera |
| 19:12.21 | Ellipsis | clear* |
| 19:12.24 | Xinhuan | it had 2-3 levels and bridges to connect between tiers/lvls |
| 19:12.27 | kenlyric | Xinhuan: no, i'm talking about today. |
| 19:12.40 | Xinhuan | to reach a class trainer, you had to climb a maze of stairs/paths much like in orgrimmar |
| 19:12.43 | kenlyric | Ellipsis: sure it is. |
| 19:12.44 | Xinhuan | that was the old IF |
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| 19:12.52 | kenlyric | nobodyy goes to one of them. |
| 19:13.02 | Ellipsis | nobody goes to any of them |
| 19:13.04 | Ellipsis | it's darnassus |
| 19:13.07 | Xinhuan | i probably still have 1 or 2 screenshots of the old IF design |
| 19:13.15 | Xinhuan | before it was revamped |
| 19:13.22 | kenlyric | it's the one with the auction house and nothing else useful. |
| 19:13.31 | CIA-8 | 03bordeaux * r55625 10BananaBar2/BananaBar2.toc: |
| 19:13.31 | CIA-8 | BananaBar2: |
| 19:13.31 | CIA-8 | - TOC Update to 2.3 |
| 19:13.42 | kenlyric | hahah white weapon vendors. |
| 19:13.47 | Ellipsis | I used to like darnassus because, if nothing else, it was a nice place for bank/AH alts |
| 19:14.00 | kenlyric | soothing music to kill yourself to. |
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| 19:14.11 | kenlyric | well, that was Teldrasil |
| 19:14.21 | colabean | is there a way to carry over the AG_Unitframe profile from 1 server to a diff one? |
| 19:14.22 | Stanzilla | Xinhuan: I would like to see those pls :) |
| 19:14.22 | Ellipsis | it seems exodar is better though |
| 19:14.24 | kenlyric | Darnassus music was pretty epic the first time you walked into the city. |
| 19:14.27 | colabean | its not letting me normally |
| 19:14.30 | hyperChipmunk | used to queue my pvp team there; we could stock up on whipper root tubers between matches |
| 19:14.40 | colabean | anyone know? |
| 19:14.43 | kenlyric | Ellipsis: exodar would be the perfect city withoutt the levels. |
| 19:14.43 | Xinhuan | dont' know if i still have them |
| 19:14.56 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: it's ideal for bank/AH stuff though |
| 19:15.00 | Xinhuan | i'll look around |
| 19:15.06 | Ellipsis | because the bank and AH are very close, straight path between them, and mailboxes right outside BOTH |
| 19:15.10 | kenlyric | bah, IF is closer. |
| 19:15.17 | Xinhuan | you can try the E2004 gryphon ride video between IF and STormwind |
| 19:15.19 | Ellipsis | yes but IF has people |
| 19:15.27 | Ellipsis | beggars and idiots in /s and /y |
| 19:15.29 | Xinhuan | it shows the gryphon flying from SW to IF and the old IF layout/design |
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| 19:15.52 | MS`Twilight | hey guys, my pitbull addon is always in the front but i tried to made something in front of it |
| 19:15.56 | MS`Twilight | how can i change the order? |
| 19:16.05 | kenlyric | I just turn all that off on AH alts :) |
| 19:16.10 | Ellipsis | what are you trying to put in front, MS`Twilight? |
| 19:16.18 | kenlyric | i'm only interested in minum distance from auctioneer to banker. |
| 19:16.19 | MS`Twilight | portrait adodn |
| 19:16.28 | MS`Twilight | called zuxanamodelcitizen |
| 19:16.30 | Ellipsis | if that addon has a strata or frame level option, try playing with that |
| 19:16.43 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: I'm not sure which one's closer, actually |
| 19:16.44 | AlexanderB | hm soneone can help with pitbull? |
| 19:16.49 | kenlyric | it's ironforge. |
| 19:16.56 | AlexanderB | i want that the AFK time is in the mana bar.. not in the health bar :( |
| 19:17.06 | hyperChipmunk | colabean: it should happen like that normally |
| 19:17.14 | AlexanderB | the code is [Status:CurHP:Percentage:MaxHP] but when i copy [Status] it dont work ^^ |
| 19:17.15 | kenlyric | actually, thunderbluff and org are probably closer horde side. |
| 19:17.19 | Ellipsis | I dunno, IF feels farther to me, maybe it's just the bridge distorting my sense of distance though |
| 19:17.29 | kenlyric | it's closer between entrances. |
| 19:17.33 | MS`Twilight | oh i got it |
| 19:17.34 | MS`Twilight | thanks |
| 19:17.35 | kenlyric | but you walk further inside to get to the people. |
| 19:17.58 | Ellipsis | hmm |
| 19:17.59 | Ellipsis | true |
| 19:18.11 | Ellipsis | wow, we're such dorks |
| 19:18.15 | Ellipsis | why are we even discussing this? |
| 19:18.27 | kenlyric | the only reason I don't use TB is because the port location is annoying. |
| 19:18.30 | NightHawkAtWork | because, as you so aptly noted, you are such dorks. |
| 19:18.34 | kenlyric | last work day of the week? |
| 19:18.41 | kenlyric | 3 hours to kill? |
| 19:18.46 | NightHawkAtWork | kenlyric: yeah, i loath the port location in tb. >< |
| 19:18.49 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp.JPG |
| 19:18.59 | kenlyric | let's change the discussion to how much some port locations suck? |
| 19:19.00 | Ellipsis | tbh kenlyric, if you use one alt just for AHing stuff, exodar is still better...mailbox at AH ftw |
| 19:19.07 | Xinhuan | a very old screenshot, taken on June 3rd 2004 i think |
| 19:19.10 | Ellipsis | my AH alt rarely touches her bank |
| 19:19.13 | NightHawkAtWork | kenlyric: stormwinds is worse imo. |
| 19:19.16 | kenlyric | AH alt is bank alt for me. |
| 19:19.21 | Xinhuan | doesn't show much, but look at the minimap |
| 19:19.27 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: ironic that your oldest screenshot is called "temp" |
| 19:19.36 | Xinhuan | nah i renamed it on the FTP server |
| 19:19.41 | kenlyric | another thing that makes exodar so wonderful. |
| 19:19.44 | kenlyric | best port location. |
| 19:19.46 | Xinhuan | actual filename is WoWScrnShot_060304_120947.JPG |
| 19:19.48 | Xinhuan | if you care |
| 19:19.57 | Xinhuan | but i didn't want to cut/paste a meaningless name |
| 19:20.12 | Xinhuan | but anywhere to reach that mage trainer |
| 19:20.16 | colabean | is there a way to carry over the AG_Unitframe profile from 1 server to a diff one? |
| 19:20.18 | Xinhuan | one had to climb a "maze of bridges" |
| 19:20.31 | Xinhuan | which crosses over the floor below |
| 19:21.09 | Xinhuan | its kinda worse than orgrimmar's orc spiral tower design |
| 19:21.37 | NightHawkAtWork | oh god, i remember the old ramp in the tower up to the flight master in org. |
| 19:21.38 | Xinhuan | the filename temp.jpg is just a reminder for me to delete it next time i need space on the FTP |
| 19:22.14 | NightHawkAtWork | there was a small gap between the end of the ramp and the platform directly beyond. The flight master was -directly- past that gap, so you naturally just walked over to him, and fell through. |
| 19:23.43 | CIA-8 | 03hyperactiveChipmunk 07Beta * r55626 10Ace3/AceTab-3.0/ (AceConfigTab-3.0.lua AceTab-3.0.lua): |
| 19:23.43 | CIA-8 | AceTab-3.0: |
| 19:23.43 | CIA-8 | - When unregistering, removes the appropriate tables from the pmolength and [not]fallbacks tables, also |
| 19:23.43 | CIA-8 | AceConfigTab-3.0: |
| 19:23.43 | CIA-8 | - Uses updated format for AC:GetOptionsTable() |
| 19:23.44 | CIA-8 | - getLevel breaks when first return of AC:GetArgs() is nil (no args) |
| 19:23.46 | CIA-8 | - put in a space at the end of the completion prematch string so it works right |
| 19:23.57 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/WoWScrnShot_062304_013742.JPG |
| 19:24.00 | Xinhuan | check this one |
| 19:24.09 | kenlyric | wait, you don't fall through the gap? |
| 19:24.12 | hyperChipmunk | oh psh |
| 19:24.13 | kenlyric | the one that's there now? |
| 19:24.14 | hyperChipmunk | mis |
| 19:24.21 | kenlyric | I jump over that EVERY time |
| 19:24.28 | NightHawkAtWork | kenlyric: er, there's no gap anymore? |
| 19:24.30 | Xinhuan | that was another old screenshot |
| 19:24.46 | Xinhuan | they wanted people to test "Tracking" on the minimap, so the let people train it from a tracking trainer |
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| 19:24.52 | Ellipsis | wow, lol |
| 19:24.55 | Xinhuan | back then people needed SP |
| 19:25.02 | Xinhuan | which is Skill Points |
| 19:25.09 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, i gathered that |
| 19:25.12 | kenlyric | so. |
| 19:25.15 | kenlyric | couple of things there. |
| 19:25.20 | Xinhuan | every 603 experience points you earned will earn you 1 SP at the same time |
| 19:25.25 | kenlyric | 1) How do you attack moonbrook and 2) why does the horde care? |
| 19:25.27 | Kuja^ | hyperChipmunk: BM is broken, see http://ace.pastey.net/77693 |
| 19:25.37 | Xinhuan | in other words, you could learn every profession, every skill, every thing in the game |
| 19:25.39 | NightHawkAtWork | where IS moonbrook? |
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| 19:25.46 | Xinhuan | if you were to grind enough SP (experience) |
| 19:25.48 | kenlyric | DM |
| 19:25.56 | Xinhuan | moonbrook is a location in Westfall |
| 19:26.01 | Xinhuan | moonbrook is where Deadmines is |
| 19:26.10 | Xinhuan | there is a horde NPC there that alliance kills for a quest |
| 19:26.13 | hyperChipmunk | Kuja^: ? |
| 19:26.18 | Xinhuan | but was incorrectly flagged as horde |
| 19:26.19 | kenlyric | there is? |
| 19:26.30 | kenlyric | or, there was. |
| 19:26.31 | Xinhuan | so attacking i causes a World Defense message about Moonbrook being attacked |
| 19:26.39 | Xinhuan | and there was no way you can turn off those messages |
| 19:26.46 | Xinhuan | there wasn't even a World or Local defense channel |
| 19:26.47 | hyperChipmunk | there's nothing that even mentions BM in that pastey =x |
| 19:26.49 | kenlyric | hahaha |
| 19:26.54 | Xinhuan | its yellow - hence its a server message |
| 19:26.54 | Kuja^ | hyperChipmunk: heh.. yeah that error pops up when i go to the mailbox |
| 19:26.57 | kenlyric | so the slime used to hurt you. |
| 19:27.14 | kenlyric | I spent months thinking the slime was hurting me without checking to see if it was. |
| 19:27.21 | hyperChipmunk | that looks like an addonloader problem; BM loads on-demand at the mailbox if you have a loader |
| 19:27.30 | Xinhuan | lvl 1-75 profession used 10 SP, 76-150 costed you 100 SP, 151-225 costed 400 SP |
| 19:27.35 | Kuja^ | yeah, but it worked before :x |
| 19:27.37 | Xinhuan | and to get 300 profession you paid 1000 SP |
| 19:27.48 | Xinhuan | you could also pay SP to learn riding of the other faction |
| 19:27.57 | Xinhuan | via mind control of the trainer |
| 19:28.01 | hyperChipmunk | i haven't touched that part of the code since kerg put it in |
| 19:28.03 | Xinhuan | and also buy their mounts |
| 19:28.05 | kenlyric | so, 360k xp to learn one profession? |
| 19:28.06 | Xinhuan | the same way |
| 19:28.07 | Kuja^ | thats just strange but hey, i'll override that setting then, just thought you maybe have a clue |
| 19:28.12 | Xinhuan | yes kenlyric ;p |
| 19:28.21 | Xinhuan | i had every profession at least at 250, all 7 of them |
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| 19:28.45 | kenlyric | I still want them to make proper professions. |
| 19:28.58 | kenlyric | GATHERING IS NOT A PROFESSION. IT's immigrant labor. |
| 19:30.09 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/WoWScrnShot_071804_105832.jpg |
| 19:30.10 | NightHawkAtWork | your mom's immigrant labor |
| 19:30.17 | Xinhuan | zone maps in closed beta |
| 19:30.31 | Xinhuan | were often the actual extracted map data from the map files in the MPQ |
| 19:30.33 | kenlyric | why is blizzard so dumb? |
| 19:30.42 | kenlyric | why would they get rid of those? |
| 19:30.55 | NightHawkAtWork | because it looks like ass? |
| 19:31.00 | Xinhuan | they replaced all of them eventually, with the ones you see in game now |
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| 19:31.04 | Stanzilla | i was about to say that NightHawkAtWork :p |
| 19:31.10 | kenlyric | uh, no. |
| 19:31.13 | Polarina | Xinhuan: What is that? |
| 19:31.15 | kenlyric | the featureless maps look like ass. |
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| 19:31.18 | Xinhuan | closed beta map |
| 19:31.36 | NeoTron | the "Exact" zone maps had distinct benefits but were cluttered, and perhaps, a bit too detailed |
| 19:31.39 | kenlyric | yay RP |
| 19:31.51 | kenlyric | well of course I'd want to be able to zoom them |
| 19:32.01 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/WoWScrnShot_072304_104954.jpg |
| 19:32.01 | NeoTron | plus to make it more fun, they often didn't keep track of where you were on the map |
| 19:32.02 | Kemayo | Yay yatlas? |
| 19:32.02 | Polarina | Xinhuan: That is a good map. |
| 19:32.10 | Xinhuan | this was what Frost Nova looked like |
| 19:32.11 | Xinhuan | in closed beta |
| 19:32.20 | Polarina | LOL |
| 19:32.29 | Xinhuan | they only now use it in Shackle Undead |
| 19:32.31 | NeoTron | frost shackle |
| 19:32.42 | Xinhuan | frost nova actually LOOKED cool back then |
| 19:33.02 | Xinhuan | rest XP and rested status were in 5 stages |
| 19:33.07 | NeoTron | but I can safely say |
| 19:33.10 | Xinhuan | 50% 75% 100% 150% and 200% |
| 19:33.13 | Xinhuan | you started at 100% |
| 19:33.14 | Kemayo | On the earlier topic of best city -- for Alliance it's Exodar. Mainly because the portal terminus is directly next to the bank+AH. |
| 19:33.14 | NeoTron | WoW was NOT a better game in alpha or beta |
| 19:33.19 | kenlyric | my dogs goes outside and can pick flower. |
| 19:33.20 | NeoTron | by any stretch of imagination |
| 19:33.29 | kenlyric | move an "s" |
| 19:33.33 | Polarina | Xinhuan: How did these stages work? |
| 19:33.42 | Xinhuan | much like the current 2 stages system |
| 19:33.45 | kenlyric | but I have to be highly trained to pick flowers in WoW. |
| 19:33.51 | Xinhuan | currently, we have 2 states: rested and Normal |
| 19:33.58 | kenlyric | herbalism should let you grow your own. |
| 19:33.58 | Xinhuan | back then there were 5 states |
| 19:34.03 | Polarina | Xinhuan: How did it go to 50%? Or 150%, or 200%? |
| 19:34.05 | kenlyric | now *that* would be a profession. |
| 19:34.19 | Xinhuan | Exhausted (earn exp at 50%), Tired (75%), Normal (100%), et |
| 19:34.20 | Xinhuan | etc |
| 19:34.27 | NeoTron | kenlyric: depth in profession is not what you get in WoW |
| 19:34.33 | kenlyric | i know |
| 19:34.35 | kenlyric | I want less depth. |
| 19:34.37 | Xinhuan | then reduced 5 states to 3 |
| 19:34.37 | Polarina | Xinhuan: What did you have to do to make it reduce? |
| 19:34.39 | Xinhuan | then from 3 to 2 |
| 19:34.43 | Xinhuan | you go to an inn |
| 19:34.46 | Xinhuan | get rested. |
| 19:34.52 | kenlyric | while tailoring exists, gathering primary professions are fundamentally broken. |
| 19:35.07 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Yes, that increased it! How did you reduce it? |
| 19:35.07 | Xinhuan | its the same as the current system, just that the current system only recognises 2 states - Normal and Rested |
| 19:35.19 | Xinhuan | you reduced it by the same thing - kililng mobs uses Rested Exp |
| 19:35.25 | NeoTron | of course rested XP was a very newfangled invention |
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| 19:35.38 | NeoTron | like a last minute addition in beta |
| 19:35.38 | Xinhuan | so in Exhausted state, you earn exp at a slower rate |
| 19:35.39 | hyperChipmunk | by killing tons of stuff between resting, probably |
| 19:35.45 | Xinhuan | meaning, if you kill a mob that normally gives 100 exp |
| 19:35.48 | Xinhuan | you would only earn 50 |
| 19:35.53 | Xinhuan | because you were exhausted |
| 19:36.01 | NeoTron | I fail to see why this needs a detailed explanation |
| 19:36.03 | Ellipsis | that would be cool |
| 19:36.04 | Xinhuan | you would have to go to an inn, to raise it back to Tired, then to Normal |
| 19:36.05 | NeoTron | it's exactly the same as today |
| 19:36.13 | Xinhuan | that's what i said ~_~ |
| 19:36.14 | Xinhuan | its the same |
| 19:36.35 | AlexanderB | cab sineibe tekk ne how to put the AFK status of pitbull in the power bar?? |
| 19:36.41 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/WoWScrnShot_072304_120229.jpg |
| 19:36.45 | kenlyric | what the fuck? |
| 19:36.54 | Xinhuan | this was a alliance raid on Thunderbluff |
| 19:37.02 | kenlyric | what language is that he's speaking? |
| 19:37.07 | Ellipsis | lol, synchronized rain of fire! |
| 19:37.09 | AlexanderB | LOOOL |
| 19:37.10 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: off-by-one |
| 19:37.16 | Xinhuan | on the left of the screenshot, can you see that there is a DRUID in seal form |
| 19:37.18 | kenlyric | which hand? |
| 19:37.23 | Ellipsis | he said "can anyone tell me" with his right hand shifted 1 left |
| 19:37.23 | AlexanderB | can someone tell me how to put the AFK status of pitbull in the power bar? |
| 19:37.28 | kenlyric | and it improves in the middle of the sentence. |
| 19:37.33 | Polarina | Xinhuan: How did that happen? |
| 19:37.36 | Xinhuan | that was an old bug, if you were in seal form underwater, and entered a mage portal to a city, you remained in seal form |
| 19:37.47 | Polarina | lol |
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| 19:37.55 | Xinhuan | mage portals always appeared at the lowest possible Z coordinate |
| 19:38.07 | Polarina | Xinhuan: ? |
| 19:38.09 | Xinhuan | meaning, if you were swimming on the surface of the water and casted a portal |
| 19:38.11 | kenlyric | so, why do we keep our combat logs visible? |
| 19:38.17 | Xinhuan | the portal used to appear at the very bottom of the lake |
| 19:38.19 | kenlyric | my new setup I had room for it, so I did it. |
| 19:38.21 | Xinhuan | hence that bug |
| 19:38.23 | kenlyric | But I still don't understand it. |
| 19:38.27 | Ellipsis | my combat log is hidden |
| 19:38.31 | NightHawkAtWork | kenlyric: i don't anymore |
| 19:38.38 | Xinhuan | note also that my mage had TWO frost armors |
| 19:38.45 | Polarina | Xinhuan: But if you were over a bridge? |
| 19:38.45 | Kemayo | Mine's hidden. |
| 19:38.47 | Xinhuan | it was possible to stack Ice Armor and Frost Armor |
| 19:38.51 | kenlyric | i guess before sct/etc. |
| 19:38.52 | Xinhuan | then it appears on the bridge |
| 19:39.02 | Kemayo | With any scrolling combat text it's totally superfluous. |
| 19:39.07 | Ellipsis | the portal would basically "fall" |
| 19:39.13 | kenlyric | well good, because this setup makes my map too small. And on the left. |
| 19:39.21 | Ellipsis | so the first thing it hit that you could stand on, is where it would be created |
| 19:39.25 | Xinhuan | note also that my mage also was INVIS in that screenshot |
| 19:39.39 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Invis? |
| 19:39.41 | Xinhuan | invis didn't have a duration |
| 19:39.49 | sag_ich_nicht | ~botmail for vhaarr: your hook into stubby doesn't work |
| 19:39.54 | kenlyric | how would we note that? |
| 19:40.00 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Invis? |
| 19:40.05 | Xinhuan | .. mage invis, fuck |
| 19:40.07 | Xinhuan | are you dumb |
| 19:40.10 | Ellipsis | ... |
| 19:40.21 | Polarina | Xinhuan: I never heard that word before. What is invis? |
| 19:40.29 | Xinhuan | Invisibility |
| 19:40.33 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Ok. |
| 19:40.45 | kenlyric | I'm gonna go with A |
| 19:40.51 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 19:40.54 | kenlyric | is that the icon invis has now? |
| 19:41.12 | kenlyric | because, that icon doesn't say invis to me. |
| 19:41.14 | Ellipsis | isn't it the fade icon currently? |
| 19:41.19 | NightHawkAtWork | kenlyric: actually its pretty easy to see, because a, his character is translucent as per stealth/invis, and b, he has an icon that looks a lot like invisibility would |
| 19:41.35 | kenlyric | he's translucent? |
| 19:41.44 | NightHawkAtWork | you can see it in the screenshot, yes |
| 19:41.52 | Xinhuan | that was the old mage invis spell |
| 19:41.53 | kenlyric | oh, i'm looking at the other troll. |
| 19:41.56 | Xinhuan | it lasted indefinitely |
| 19:42.07 | kenlyric | i didn't even see him :) |
| 19:42.35 | kenlyric | Ellipsis: I was thinking honorless target. |
| 19:42.48 | NightHawkAtWork | honorless target is blue |
| 19:42.53 | kenlyric | so? |
| 19:42.59 | NightHawkAtWork | and didn't exist in beta. :p |
| 19:43.00 | kenlyric | as is fade :) |
| 19:43.36 | kenlyric | I'm talking about what it looks like now, not three years ago. |
| 19:43.39 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/WoWScrnShot_092104_231652.jpg |
| 19:43.46 | Xinhuan | this was what the old login screen lookedlike |
| 19:43.52 | Xinhuan | i still feel it is cooler |
| 19:43.58 | Xinhuan | than what it is today |
| 19:44.20 | NightHawkAtWork | not all that different, really |
| 19:44.22 | kenlyric | still needs mail notification. |
| 19:44.36 | NightHawkAtWork | I do like the time zone differentiation |
| 19:44.56 | kenlyric | surprise timezone is like surprise buttsex |
| 19:45.15 | kenlyric | oh high, welcome to yoru PST server located in maryland |
| 19:45.33 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 19:45.39 | Ellipsis | that drove me NUTS on my original server |
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| 19:46.50 | Xinhuan | lol |
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| 19:48.04 | Xinhuan | there was the standard nerf and buff of every class too |
| 19:48.20 | Xinhuan | and the UI addon scene |
| 19:48.28 | Xinhuan | where Cosmos first took over the beta world |
| 19:48.57 | Xinhuan | blizzard allowed the UI to pretty much do almost anything it wanted... until alexyoshi took it a bit too far with his Corruption mod |
| 19:49.17 | Stanzilla | what did that mod do? |
| 19:49.31 | Xinhuan | you could modify the words floating above a person's head |
| 19:49.43 | Xinhuan | i.e the stuff that says, Name and <Guild> |
| 19:49.52 | kenlyric | so? |
| 19:49.59 | Xinhuan | so he modified a person he didn't like to say "(Do Not Pary)" after his guild name |
| 19:50.09 | Xinhuan | and distributed cosmos with it |
| 19:50.11 | kenlyric | perfection |
| 19:50.20 | Xinhuan | so everyone saw that guy <do not party> |
| 19:50.26 | kenlyric | oh. |
| 19:50.26 | [Horde]Tricksy | whoa, some sweet hunter changes coming in 2.3.2 ^^ |
| 19:50.27 | Xinhuan | like some black sheep |
| 19:50.28 | kenlyric | that would be bad. |
| 19:50.32 | Xinhuan | caused some pretty huge uproar |
| 19:50.39 | kenlyric | just because he sent his defaults along? |
| 19:50.48 | kenlyric | or that's how the mod was designed, to share with everyone? |
| 19:50.49 | Xinhuan | Corruption also caused you to automatically /emote to Cosmos UI developers with a /bow |
| 19:51.01 | Xinhuan | and /kneel to Nurfed members |
| 19:51.05 | kenlyric | you know, mods that share data unexpectedly are only coded by monsters. |
| 19:51.14 | Xinhuan | among other things |
| 19:51.26 | Xinhuan | no, he deliberately did it |
| 19:51.36 | Xinhuan | there's only 1 server |
| 19:51.46 | Xinhuan | so anyone that used the mod is on the same server |
| 19:51.49 | kenlyric | I want that mod. |
| 19:52.02 | kenlyric | minus the asshole stuff. |
| 19:52.04 | Xinhuan | blizzard locked down on it so nameplates no longer can be modified |
| 19:52.18 | kenlyric | i'd settle for it on a tooltip |
| 19:52.42 | kenlyric | or as a result of /who |
| 19:53.27 | Xinhuan | we had exact APIs that could return us the exact X, Y, Z coordinate of your world location |
| 19:53.38 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Even Z? |
| 19:53.42 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 19:53.45 | Xinhuan | Tanaris for eg, is about 5 yards above sea level, and Ungoro level is 277 yards below sea level |
| 19:53.47 | Polarina | Xinhuan: And what do you mean with "exact"? |
| 19:53.51 | neenee | Is 2.3.2 close? |
| 19:54.02 | Xinhuan | by exact, it returns 3 floating point numbers |
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| 19:54.04 | CIA-8 | - update koKR |
| 19:54.12 | Xinhuan | giving you the exact X, Y, Z values of your world coordinate |
| 19:54.27 | Xinhuan | 0,0,0 on kalimdor is on sea level on the shore just west of Sepulcher |
| 19:54.28 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Why did blizzard remove the Z? Did it even return values while in a instance? |
| 19:54.37 | Xinhuan | yes it returned values in an instance |
| 19:54.47 | Xinhuan | they didn't remove Z. they removed the entire API |
| 19:55.02 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Why? |
| 19:55.04 | Xinhuan | the only API that remains is the one that gives you your X and Y values fo the purposes of the map |
| 19:55.10 | kenlyric | the game definitely has to know Z :) |
| 19:55.12 | Xinhuan | when you press M |
| 19:55.22 | Xinhuan | and even that one is localized to your zone |
| 19:55.23 | kenlyric | or karazhan is very very short. |
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| 19:55.46 | kenlyric | and AQ40, too. |
| 19:55.50 | Xinhuan | they removed it because they didn't want people to use mods to know exactly how many yards you were away from your target |
| 19:55.58 | kenlyric | and naxx. Well a whole bunch of them. |
| 19:56.02 | Xinhuan | you could get the coorindates of yourself and your target |
| 19:56.09 | Xinhuan | and do a distance calc |
| 19:56.17 | kenlyric | yeah, that would suck to know how far away the target is. |
| 19:56.18 | Xinhuan | sqrt(X^2 + Y^2 + Z^2) |
| 19:56.32 | Xinhuan | and there were mods that told you you were 26.324 yards away from your mob |
| 19:56.47 | Xinhuan | so they removed it |
| 19:56.56 | kenlyric | oh hi, I'm a tauren, I pull mobs earlier. |
| 19:57.03 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Why didn't they like that? |
| 19:57.05 | Xinhuan | the only remaining way to determine distance now, is from fuzzy logic |
| 19:57.17 | kenlyric | I can't figure out why the would dislike that. |
| 19:57.28 | Xinhuan | i dont' know either, but it was a design decision |
| 19:57.34 | Xinhuan | they didn't want people to have the exact values |
| 19:57.38 | Xinhuan | they stated so |
| 19:57.42 | Xinhuan | but didn't explain why |
| 19:58.06 | NightHawkAtWork | they probably didn't want the game reduce to mods just crunching numbers for playrs who blindly hit buttons |
| 19:58.13 | NightHawkAtWork | reduced* |
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| 19:58.24 | Xinhuan | but now you know, ungoro is 277 yards above sea level ;p |
| 19:58.28 | Xinhuan | below sea level i mean |
| 19:58.33 | Stanzilla | hooray for nogudnik |
| 19:58.58 | NightHawkAtWork | pfah, does skillet still attempt to buy primal nethers if i happen to be browsing the badge vendor? >< |
| 19:59.20 | Polarina | Xinhuan: It would make much more sense if Blizzard left **only** the possibility to get the exact location only for yourself. |
| 20:00.07 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/wandskillup.jpg |
| 20:00.15 | Xinhuan | i give you proof |
| 20:00.20 | kenlyric | Xinhuan: they didn't want people to know that a tauren is closer to a mob than a gnome is. |
| 20:00.21 | Xinhuan | that was one of my UIs in early game |
| 20:00.27 | Xinhuan | at the top you see a CLOCK |
| 20:00.30 | Xinhuan | and 3 numbers |
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| 20:00.39 | Xinhuan | those 3 numbers were the X, Y, Z coordinate |
| 20:00.51 | kenlyric | hah. |
| 20:00.54 | Xinhuan | 0,0,0 in deep run tram happened to be the boarding point |
| 20:01.03 | Xinhuan | in the center platform |
| 20:01.12 | Xinhuan | i was 32 yards away from it on the X plane |
| 20:01.33 | Xinhuan | (yes you can still use deeprun tram to train wands/bows to 375) |
| 20:01.38 | Xinhuan | (the rats respawn instantly) |
| 20:01.53 | kenlyric | never really been an issue for me. |
| 20:01.57 | Xinhuan | (as they are charmed by an quest item for a quest in there) |
| 20:02.03 | kenlyric | it's the first stat to max for me. |
| 20:02.08 | kenlyric | 375 would be hard though. |
| 20:02.13 | Xinhuan | the 4 buttons on the top |
| 20:02.14 | kenlyric | since it only goes to 350 |
| 20:02.17 | Xinhuan | below the 3 coordinates |
| 20:02.23 | Xinhuan | is the old version of Autobar |
| 20:02.49 | kenlyric | blizzard did I nice job screwing up the symmetry between skills and prfoessions. |
| 20:02.50 | Xinhuan | like a antique 2004 version |
| 20:03.20 | NightHawkAtWork | kenlyric: yeah, that irked me to |
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| 20:03.21 | NightHawkAtWork | o |
| 20:03.34 | Xinhuan | see how far autobar has progressed to its state today :P |
| 20:04.08 | Xinhuan | it had 5 buttons, the 5th was for mana pots, i didn't have any |
| 20:04.17 | Xinhuan | so the button didn't display to the left of the health pot |
| 20:05.19 | Xinhuan | clicking the button would initiate a search in your bags from the largest to smallest mana pot and use that, as simple as the mod used to be |
| 20:05.38 | Xinhuan | and now we have all this SecureHeader bullshit :( |
| 20:07.24 | NightHawkAtWork | you know what i'm in the mood for. a thanksgiving wrap. |
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| 20:13.04 | kadrahil | wow, whoever made bartender3 bars snap to the center of the screen, you win |
| 20:13.48 | NightHawkAtWork | bt3 bars snap to horizontal and vertical center? |
| 20:14.16 | NightHawkAtWork | hmm, tuller ought to ninja that code for bongos, it'd be hot. |
| 20:14.22 | kenlyric | horizontal? |
| 20:14.39 | durcyn | NightHawkAtWork: er, it's already there. see sticky bars. |
| 20:14.42 | hyperChipmunk | blasted lands > tram for skilling up |
| 20:14.51 | NightHawkAtWork | durcyn: eh? |
| 20:14.54 | hyperChipmunk | you can do blasted lands while afk =) |
| 20:14.58 | kenlyric | i'm a priest. We don't skill up wands. |
| 20:15.08 | kenlyric | it's 350 by level 27 |
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| 20:15.45 | Ellipsis | hyperChipmunk: not anymore, the mobs unbanish and can't be killed |
| 20:15.54 | kenlyric | I seriously can't wrap my head around this. If it centers betweent he left and right edges is it horizontal centering or vertical? |
| 20:16.12 | Ellipsis | I still use the tram |
| 20:16.14 | Ellipsis | >_> |
| 20:16.25 | hyperChipmunk | Ellipsis: that change with 2.3? |
| 20:16.25 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: horizontal |
| 20:16.32 | Ellipsis | hyperChipmunk: no, been that way for a few patches |
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| 20:16.38 | nevcairiel | kadrahil: they do? funny side effect tho :D |
| 20:16.39 | kenlyric | it centers between vertical lines, which is why I'm confused. |
| 20:16.47 | hyperChipmunk | my friend leveled 2h axes while afk like a week ago |
| 20:16.52 | Ellipsis | yes but it centers *along* a horizontal line |
| 20:16.55 | NightHawkAtWork | hyperChipmunk: no, it's been that way for a long time |
| 20:16.57 | Ellipsis | hyperChipmunk: wtf hax? |
| 20:17.14 | Ellipsis | I think he's lying, because I really did try just after I hit 70 |
| 20:17.15 | kenlyric | which class? |
| 20:17.22 | hyperChipmunk | no idea; i was grouped with him, but wasn't in the area to watch |
| 20:17.28 | hyperChipmunk | no reason for him to lie |
| 20:17.29 | NightHawkAtWork | and yeah, depending on class, you can potentially go afk for quite a while |
| 20:17.44 | hyperChipmunk | if it hadn't worked, he'd have been pissed off at me for sending him way out there |
| 20:17.46 | kenlyric | as long as you can heal, or take very little damage. |
| 20:17.46 | Ellipsis | if you're not squishy you could do it for a bit |
| 20:17.52 | hyperChipmunk | prot war |
| 20:17.53 | Ellipsis | but they will be attacking you |
| 20:17.57 | Ellipsis | oh |
| 20:17.59 | Ellipsis | well that explains it |
| 20:18.01 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah |
| 20:18.09 | NightHawkAtWork | a prot war can do it pretty easily. |
| 20:18.17 | kenlyric | Servant hits you for 1. You laugh |
| 20:18.21 | hyperChipmunk | they don't do any dmg |
| 20:18.23 | kenlyric | Servant hits you for 1, You laugh |
| 20:18.33 | Ellipsis | heh |
| 20:18.41 | Ellipsis | I couldn't do it as a lock though |
| 20:18.49 | Ellipsis | I even put on demon armor to help :( |
| 20:18.59 | kenlyric | I levelled up all my weapons in molten core. |
| 20:19.05 | NightHawkAtWork | I can go semi-afk as a shaman. I just have to come back once ever fewy minutes to recast ES and healing stream |
| 20:19.08 | Ellipsis | afk autowand! |
| 20:19.12 | kenlyric | unwarmed on fire elementals. |
| 20:19.19 | kenlyric | *unarmed. |
| 20:19.19 | hyperChipmunk | YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY my freezing traps are coming baaaaaack |
| 20:19.22 | kenlyric | fuck my typing today. |
| 20:19.43 | *** join/#wowace silentium (i=silentiu@dslb-088-064-187-013.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:19.48 | Ellipsis | I could skillup on those guys if my dots still healed me... |
| 20:20.00 | Ellipsis | but since they're doing 0 dmg I get spammed with heals for 0 |
| 20:20.07 | Ellipsis | =[ |
| 20:20.28 | NightHawkAtWork | they do zero damage even after they unbanish? |
| 20:20.31 | Ellipsis | yes |
| 20:20.35 | Ellipsis | the mobs are unkillable |
| 20:20.38 | Ellipsis | so they take 0 damage |
| 20:20.44 | Ellipsis | so I don't get health back |
| 20:20.50 | Ellipsis | even from drain/siphon |
| 20:21.04 | NightHawkAtWork | i could have sworn my melee attacks dealt damage, but i hanv't done it in a while |
| 20:21.09 | Ellipsis | they *deal* damage |
| 20:21.12 | Ellipsis | but no damage is *taken* |
| 20:21.17 | NightHawkAtWork | ah |
| 20:21.24 | NightHawkAtWork | a subtle distinction i suppose |
| 20:21.26 | Ellipsis | which is a stupid distinction, but applies to FSW bonus and vampiric effects |
| 20:23.02 | *** join/#wowace neenee (n=neenee@about/unixlove/neenee) |
| 20:24.04 | neenee | test |
| 20:24.05 | neenee | ok |
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| 20:25.20 | _rane | have Aloft castbars been fixed? |
| 20:25.42 | Ellipsis | oh hay Xinhuan |
| 20:25.59 | Ellipsis | wanna help me figure out taint problems I'm getting on my alt but not my main? |
| 20:26.05 | Ellipsis | even though the alt has a subset of the main's addons |
| 20:26.14 | Ellipsis | and the addon being blamed is used on both |
| 20:26.54 | Xinhuan | uh ok |
| 20:26.55 | Xinhuan | how? |
| 20:27.17 | kenlyric | turn off the taint warning. |
| 20:27.19 | Ellipsis | I can taintLog 2 real quick, I have a taintLog 1 of the problem now |
| 20:27.20 | kenlyric | problems fixed! |
| 20:27.28 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: no, it was actually blocking actions |
| 20:28.23 | Xinhuan | i remmeber one of my favourite addons was the one where you could make waypoints on the map, then connect the dots on the map to form "graphs", the mod that used Dijkestra's algorithm that allowed you to automatically walk from any where to anywhere else given enough waypoints |
| 20:28.41 | Xinhuan | your corpse was a waypoint itself |
| 20:28.44 | Xinhuan | so |
| 20:29.18 | *** join/#wowace Neebler (n=BuM@adsl-69-228-116-142.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 20:29.41 | Xinhuan | it first took your current position, find the nearest waypoint, walked to it (straight line), then walked the rest of the path to the waypoint nearest your corpse, then to your corpse |
| 20:29.46 | Ellipsis | http://pastey.net/77770 |
| 20:29.49 | Xinhuan | i remember making a route to walk to MC from thorium point ;p |
| 20:31.19 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan |
| 20:31.26 | sag_ich_nicht | where is my TSP report |
| 20:31.53 | sag_ich_nicht | damn it |
| 20:32.03 | sag_ich_nicht | that reminds me of how i felt when i woke up today |
| 20:32.08 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 20:32.21 | Xinhuan | you stab yourself with a pillow regularly? |
| 20:32.54 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 20:33.00 | sag_ich_nicht | but the word pillow |
| 20:33.06 | sag_ich_nicht | triggered the memory |
| 20:33.07 | sag_ich_nicht | thus |
| 20:33.09 | sag_ich_nicht | it REMINDS ME |
| 20:33.15 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 20:33.38 | Stanzilla | you are one weird schluchtenscheisser :p |
| 20:34.05 | sag_ich_nicht | insulting me in german isn't going to help you in any way, Stanzilla |
| 20:34.19 | sag_ich_nicht | especially since it's spelled schluchtenscheißer |
| 20:34.27 | Stanzilla | sag_ich_nicht: how would you translate "schluchtenscheier"? |
| 20:34.28 | sag_ich_nicht | ß, not ss |
| 20:34.33 | sag_ich_nicht | i wouldn't |
| 20:34.36 | sag_ich_nicht | piss off |
| 20:36.06 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233148&sid=1 |
| 20:36.09 | Xinhuan | not bad, 14 pages now |
| 20:36.12 | Xinhuan | growing rapidly |
| 20:37.32 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 20:37.38 | sag_ich_nicht | BEFORE Stanzilla started to insult me for no reason |
| 20:37.41 | sag_ich_nicht | (fucking retard) |
| 20:37.45 | sag_ich_nicht | i was going to say |
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| 20:38.09 | Ellipsis | bah |
| 20:38.20 | Ellipsis | the taintLog 2 gives nothing useful |
| 20:38.27 | NightHawkAtWork | you were going to say how much you enjoy spamming? |
| 20:38.33 | Ellipsis | all the normal stuff I get on my main without actions blocked, and nothing else to do with MCPFu :/ |
| 20:38.56 | Xinhuan | that means the taint is via a scripthook |
| 20:39.05 | Xinhuan | those are really hard to track |
| 20:39.13 | Xinhuan | :HookScript() |
| 20:39.24 | Xinhuan | usually anyway |
| 20:39.29 | sag_ich_nicht | i had slept pretty well and not moved a lot, so the damn down feather filled duvet up over my shoulders instead of below them like normally, and was exactly at body temperature.... not that that is bad, but... :/ |
| 20:39.53 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: that's the problem, MCPFu doesn't do anything special |
| 20:39.58 | Xinhuan | since you're replacing a script with one of your own, it doesn't get logged down in the taintlog since it isn't a global var |
| 20:40.02 | sag_ich_nicht | *was up over |
| 20:40.09 | Xinhuan | but execution still gets tainted |
| 20:40.30 | Xinhuan | find out why execution got tainted, which variable was it? |
| 20:40.57 | Ellipsis | the only thing I can think of is that somehow the taint is blamed on MCPFu because it hooks LoadAddon |
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| 20:41.31 | Xinhuan | why does it do that |
| 20:41.56 | NightHawkAtWork | i think it autoloads dependancies? |
| 20:41.57 | Ellipsis | because it controls addon loading |
| 20:42.33 | Xinhuan | securehook or? |
| 20:42.38 | Ellipsis | nope |
| 20:42.43 | Ellipsis | there's a secure hook commented out in the code |
| 20:42.50 | Xinhuan | maybe then, can't be sure |
| 20:42.51 | Ellipsis | like it was changed at some point |
| 20:43.28 | Ellipsis | bleh |
| 20:43.28 | NeoTron | so I just realized something cool - 2.4 will allow for extremely accurate threat meters in multi-mob encounters |
| 20:43.31 | NeoTron | woot |
| 20:43.43 | Ellipsis | I guess I have to disable MCPFu and see if I still get the action blocked and what it's blamed on |
| 20:44.24 | CIA-8 | 03stan * r55630 10CML/CML.toc: |
| 20:44.24 | CIA-8 | CML: |
| 20:44.24 | CIA-8 | - embed sml-2.0 |
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| 20:44.34 | Pkekyo| | Fury just dropped for me :D |
| 20:44.43 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: now, how much do you want to be ktm will still suck at it? |
| 20:44.47 | Xinhuan | there should be at least one line htat says Execution tainted by addonA while reading variableX.. just a few lines above the Actin Blocked though |
| 20:45.09 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: there are hundreds of those, but they're all the same as the ones I get on my main (since the same addons are enabled on both) |
| 20:45.19 | Ellipsis | also, without MCPFu I get no action blocked message |
| 20:45.26 | Ellipsis | so wtf :/ |
| 20:45.33 | NeoTron | KTM ? what is hat? ;-) |
| 20:45.39 | NeoTron | s/hat/that/ |
| 20:45.45 | NeoTron | stupid |
| 20:45.51 | Chompers | wiping on the bear boss |
| 20:45.52 | Xinhuan | is the action blocked 100% reproducable? |
| 20:45.54 | Chompers | how depressing |
| 20:45.55 | naenee | test |
| 20:45.55 | NightHawkAtWork | you totally fail at purl. :P |
| 20:45.56 | naenee | ok |
| 20:46.02 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: yes |
| 20:46.11 | Ellipsis | I get it every time I open the talent frame in combat |
| 20:46.57 | naenee | dum dee dum |
| 20:47.07 | naenee | ok |
| 20:48.26 | Xinhuan | so MCPFu.. what does it do again? |
| 20:48.40 | Ellipsis | it lists your loaded addons, lets you load/enable/disable them from a tablet |
| 20:48.58 | Ellipsis | but it basically does nothing at all without user input |
| 20:48.59 | Camci | without logging out ? |
| 20:49.01 | Ellipsis | except create its fubar icon |
| 20:49.10 | Ellipsis | Camci: yes, so you can /rl and the changes will be applied |
| 20:49.16 | Camci | :O |
| 20:49.19 | Ellipsis | and you can enable LoD addons without a /rl, even :) |
| 20:49.20 | Camci | nice |
| 20:49.31 | Camci | its called what? |
| 20:49.36 | Ellipsis | FuBar_MCPFu |
| 20:49.43 | Camci | cheers ill try it out |
| 20:49.54 | Xinhuan | so, it lets you disable blizzard addons and prevent them from loading? |
| 20:49.56 | Camci | always a pain to log out and log in before a raid / arena to enable needed addons :P |
| 20:49.59 | Ellipsis | not blizzard addons |
| 20:50.13 | Ellipsis | the interface doesn't let you do any actions on them |
| 20:50.30 | CIA-8 | 03nogudnik * r55631 10Skillet/ (ThirdPartyHooks.lua UI/MainFrame.lua description.txt): |
| 20:50.30 | CIA-8 | Skillet: |
| 20:50.30 | CIA-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.44 | Ellipsis | is it maybe because the talent frame is LoD? |
| 20:50.53 | Ellipsis | so trying to open it in combat is triggering the LoadAddon hook? |
| 20:51.26 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 20:51.30 | Xinhuan | because your talent UI isn't loaded |
| 20:51.44 | Ellipsis | exactly |
| 20:51.51 | Xinhuan | when opening your talent UI in combat, it invokes LoadAddOn("Blizzard_TalentUI") |
| 20:51.57 | Ellipsis | bleh |
| 20:52.00 | Ellipsis | the weird thing is |
| 20:52.03 | Ellipsis | the talent frame still loads |
| 20:52.10 | Xinhuan | which causes a taint since its hooked unsecurely |
| 20:52.12 | Ellipsis | even though I get the action blocked message |
| 20:52.16 | Camci | WTF iceblock will be trainable, no talent shit..... |
| 20:52.30 | Camci | buff them more plx ! |
| 20:52.32 | Camci | >.< |
| 20:52.48 | Xinhuan | Interface\FrameXML\UIParent.lua:1469 UpdateUIPanelPositions() |
| 20:52.54 | Xinhuan | its tainted by execution from LoadAddon() |
| 20:53.00 | Ellipsis | hm |
| 20:53.05 | Xinhuan | UIParent:SetAttribute() |
| 20:53.10 | Xinhuan | UIParent is protected in combat |
| 20:53.14 | Ellipsis | yeah, I just played around with it - the automatic positioning of frames gets broken |
| 20:53.16 | NeoTron | they need to make felguard trainable and add another desirable 41 pt demo talent |
| 20:53.20 | Xinhuan | since it is the parent of every other protected frame |
| 20:53.34 | Xinhuan | MCPFu needs to securehook that instead |
| 20:53.35 | Ellipsis | so LoadAddon itself isn't protected |
| 20:53.35 | NeoTron | so 0/40/21 becomes a viable spec |
| 20:53.48 | Xinhuan | ya it isn't, but tainting it will spread taint |
| 20:54.01 | Ellipsis | but only to UIParent? |
| 20:54.01 | Xinhuan | look at function MCPFu:LoadAddOn(name) |
| 20:54.08 | Ellipsis | not to the talent frame itself? |
| 20:54.10 | Xinhuan | it replaced the function with its own |
| 20:54.16 | Ellipsis | yeah, I know what it did |
| 20:54.37 | Xinhuan | well loadaddon was called because the talentUi wasn't loaded, so execution got tainted |
| 20:54.54 | Ellipsis | I know, but it doesn't make sense to me where the taint went after that |
| 20:54.55 | Xinhuan | TOGGLETALENTS:1 <-- that's the name of the keybind |
| 20:55.03 | Xinhuan | that you pressed to cause LoadAddOn |
| 20:55.11 | Xinhuan | in Bindings.xml |
| 20:55.30 | Ellipsis | I know |
| 20:55.39 | Ellipsis | what I don't get is why it affected frame *positioning* |
| 20:55.39 | Xinhuan | execution is tainted - inside UpdateUIPanelPositions() |
| 20:55.41 | Xinhuan | go look in it |
| 20:56.11 | _rane | why do i have to enter a spell into the quartz's gcd module? |
| 20:56.24 | Xinhuan | UIParent:SetAttribute("RIGHT_OFFSET", rightOffset); |
| 20:56.53 | Xinhuan | the default UI stores some values inside its attributes that determines the X and Y offset from the upper left corner of the frame |
| 20:57.01 | Xinhuan | by which to open the blizz frames |
| 20:57.02 | Ellipsis | I know |
| 20:57.25 | Ellipsis | but why does TalentUI not get tainted at all, while UIParent does? |
| 20:57.39 | Xinhuan | because it isn't tainted |
| 20:57.49 | Xinhuan | it is Blizzard's talent UI |
| 20:57.50 | Ellipsis | ... |
| 20:57.54 | Xinhuan | Blizzard code by default is untainted |
| 20:58.00 | Ellipsis | but what does LoadAddon have to do with UIParent |
| 20:58.09 | Ellipsis | how does taint get from LoadAddon to UIParent |
| 20:58.13 | Ellipsis | that's my question >_> |
| 20:58.16 | Xinhuan | LoadAddon has nothing to do with UIParent, but loadaddon was called in the process |
| 20:58.25 | Ellipsis | LoadAddon is what was originally tainted |
| 20:58.27 | Ellipsis | how did it spread from there? |
| 20:58.36 | Xinhuan | go look at line 270 |
| 20:58.40 | Xinhuan | in UIParent.lua |
| 20:59.10 | Ellipsis | ...wdn doesn't have it, wtf |
| 20:59.14 | Xinhuan | when you press N to open the Talent frame, the TOGGLETALENTS keybind defined in Bindings.xml calls the function ToggleTalentFrame() defined on line 270 |
| 20:59.17 | Xinhuan | in UIParent.lua |
| 20:59.29 | Xinhuan | ToggleTalentFrame() then calls TalentFrame_LoadUI() |
| 20:59.48 | Xinhuan | TalentFrame_LoadUI() performs a single line: |
| 20:59.49 | Xinhuan | UIParentLoadAddOn("Blizzard_TalentUI"); |
| 20:59.49 | Ellipsis | so it's going through UIParent before it gets to the call |
| 20:59.50 | Ellipsis | I see |
| 21:00.07 | Xinhuan | function UIParentLoadAddOn(name) |
| 21:00.11 | Xinhuan | is defined on line 877 |
| 21:00.13 | Ellipsis | I get it now |
| 21:00.18 | Ellipsis | my question was answered, you can relax :P |
| 21:00.19 | Xinhuan | which does local loaded, reason = LoadAddOn(name); |
| 21:00.52 | Kemayo | Taint is fun! |
| 21:00.58 | Xinhuan | in order words, everytime you press N, blizzard always calls TalentFrame_LoadUI() |
| 21:01.08 | Lukian | Do I have to email to get svn access or can I just bother an admin in here? ;) |
| 21:01.15 | Xinhuan | and LoadAddOn() as a result is always called |
| 21:01.17 | Kemayo | Lukian: Email. |
| 21:01.25 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: yeah, I get it |
| 21:01.41 | Ellipsis | the problem is, changing that hook to secure breaks functionality |
| 21:01.42 | Ellipsis | :( |
| 21:01.42 | Lukian | Kemayo, bah! :) |
| 21:01.43 | Kemayo | Or, rather, you could bother Kael. But he'd just tell you to email him. |
| 21:01.53 | Xinhuan | then the addon must be abandoned |
| 21:01.58 | Xinhuan | or have its functionality changed |
| 21:01.59 | Lukian | Kaelten, do I have to email you? :p |
| 21:02.04 | Ellipsis | yeah, I know |
| 21:02.16 | Ellipsis | why can't they have their own secure way of loading addons |
| 21:02.31 | Ellipsis | so we can load our insecure ones separately without introducing taint to theirs |
| 21:02.33 | Ellipsis | >_> |
| 21:02.58 | Xinhuan | so the LoadAddOn() call itself is tainted, but TalentUI itself while being loaded, is secure |
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| 21:04.17 | Ellipsis | I know, but I mean...they use the same LoadAddOn function |
| 21:04.32 | Ellipsis | which spreads taint back up the stack to their code |
| 21:04.57 | Ellipsis | if they had their own secure one, we could hook the one we use and MCPFu could work properly without tainting |
| 21:06.27 | Xinhuan | who maintains MCPFu btw |
| 21:06.28 | CIA-8 | 03silmano * r55632 10SellOMatic/ (. SellOMatic.lua SellOMatic.toc SellOMatic.xml): SellOMatic: Uploaded again |
| 21:07.16 | Kemayo | schelli |
| 21:07.47 | Xinhuan | there doesn't appear to be a addon thread for that addon |
| 21:07.59 | Kemayo | Though said maintenance has been limited to toc bumps for the last 11 months or so. |
| 21:08.54 | Ellipsis | I don't think many people use it, anyway |
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| 21:09.22 | Kemayo | Looks like everything about it apart from the forcibly disallowing addon loading should work without taint, though. |
| 21:09.33 | Xinhuan | rofl |
| 21:09.38 | Xinhuan | function UpdateUIPanelPositions(currentFrame) |
| 21:09.38 | Xinhuan | -- If called in combat from a tainted source this function silently fails |
| 21:09.45 | Xinhuan | that is written inside UIParent.lua |
| 21:09.55 | Xinhuan | clearly, that comment is a huge joke |
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| 21:11.26 | Xinhuan | if you use it Kemayo, want to fix it? :) |
| 21:11.26 | Kemayo | Alas, I do not use it. |
| 21:11.26 | CIA-8 | 03funkydude * r55633 10BigWigs/Hyjal/HyjalSummit.lua: BigWigs: Hyjal/HyjalSummit: Bugfix showing advanced mob listings for the wrong boss. |
| 21:11.27 | CIA-8 | 03silmano * r55634 10SellOMatic/: SellOMatic: |
| 21:11.33 | Ellipsis | and I could fix it, but cba to get a svn account |
| 21:11.42 | Xinhuan | how would you fix it Ellipsis :) |
| 21:12.09 | Ellipsis | I'd probably just do the secure hook and remove the functionality to let you prevent addons from loading? |
| 21:12.32 | Kemayo | Just remove the hook entirely. |
| 21:12.40 | Ellipsis | is it not used for anything else? |
| 21:12.49 | Xinhuan | do it, send me the new version, i'll commit if you want |
| 21:12.58 | Kemayo | The whole point of that hook is selectively choosing when to load an addon. Securehook removes the point of it entirely. |
| 21:13.09 | Xinhuan | its more than removing the hook, since you also want to remove the relevant options in the menus |
| 21:13.15 | Ellipsis | I thought it actually logged loading etc. |
| 21:13.20 | Xinhuan | nope |
| 21:13.26 | Ellipsis | shows what I know |
| 21:13.33 | Ellipsis | I just use it to enable/disable without logging out, mostly |
| 21:13.36 | Xinhuan | all it does is not call the original loadAddon function |
| 21:13.43 | Xinhuan | if a addon is taboo |
| 21:14.02 | Ellipsis | I'll go over it and remove the hook then |
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| 21:14.27 | Xinhuan | Ellipsis, removing the hook is easy, its just a matter of deleting the function MCPFu:LoadAddOn(name) |
| 21:14.29 | Ellipsis | Kemayo: how do you check if something is enabled but not loaded? o.O |
| 21:14.33 | Xinhuan | and removing the self:hook call |
| 21:14.36 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: I know that, wtf, I know how to code |
| 21:14.46 | Ellipsis | don't give me that |
| 21:14.57 | Xinhuan | IsAddonEnabled |
| 21:15.10 | Kemayo | Ellipsis: "/ace load Foo" works in that case. |
| 21:15.21 | Xinhuan | no wrong |
| 21:15.23 | Ellipsis | I didn't say load it, I said check :P |
| 21:15.30 | Xinhuan | local name, title, notes, enabled, loadable, reason, security = GetAddOnInfo(i); |
| 21:15.30 | Ellipsis | and I'm too lazy to type out actual lua ingame |
| 21:15.40 | Ellipsis | ^a little more than I'd like |
| 21:15.41 | Xinhuan | see 4th arg return value |
| 21:15.45 | Ellipsis | the tablet display works nicely for me |
| 21:15.48 | Kemayo | Checking is for people who are too lazy to memorize the default state of all addons. |
| 21:16.08 | Ellipsis | your mom is for people who ...meh, can't finish that one |
| 21:16.23 | kenlyric | your mom is the default state. |
| 21:16.42 | Kemayo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:19.48 | Fisker- | so Bibi |
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| 21:20.46 | charon | evening |
| 21:21.44 | Stanzilla | ~seen toadkiller |
| 21:22.07 | purl | toadkiller <n=dnester@adsl-75-30-187-11.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 4d 17h 28m 25s ago, saying: 'Yeah always use a soft brush'. |
| 21:23.05 | Stanzilla | bit slow today mr purl |
| 21:24.24 | Xinhuan | actually its slow only because it had to serach through 4 days of logs |
| 21:24.29 | Xinhuan | of 80+ channels |
| 21:24.34 | Xinhuan | before finding a match |
| 21:25.32 | kenlyric | scary that I thought of that conversation *this morning* while I was brushing. |
| 21:26.33 | kenlyric | because the random thought "I think this toothbrush was made by brillo" popped into my head. |
| 21:27.11 | NeoTron | I wonder if you can tank the illidari council caster with arcane resist or if it's like the mage in maulgar where resist doesn't mattetr |
| 21:27.16 | Ellipsis | is *that* the context for that comment |
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| 21:27.33 | Ellipsis | I was totally trying to figure out what kind of brush he was talking about, last time I saw that |
| 21:27.39 | Stanzilla | ptr at 22:30 CEST weeee |
| 21:28.24 | kenlyric | someone said you could brush all the enamel off your teeth if you do it too much, and I said "stop bying your toothbrushes from Brillo" and then he said that. |
| 21:28.27 | kenlyric | now you can sleep easy. |
| 21:28.35 | CIA-8 | 03scorpio0920 * r55635 10RatingBuster/RatingBuster-Locale-zhTW.lua: RatingBuster: Update zhTW translation. |
| 21:28.43 | Ellipsis | that's not nearly as cool as the conversation I had envisioned |
| 21:29.15 | charon | Lukian: i'd have loved to offer a nice, timely riposte but i was busy mangling leotheras. terribly sorry |
| 21:29.37 | Lukian | hehe :) |
| 21:32.14 | CIA-8 | 03funkydude * r55636 10BigWigs/Hyjal/Archimonde.lua: |
| 21:32.14 | CIA-8 | BigWigs: Hyjal/Archimonde: |
| 21:32.14 | CIA-8 | - kill bars when grip is removed |
| 21:32.14 | CIA-8 | ~whalecrit Xinhuan |
| 21:32.15 | purl | ACTION crits Xinhuan with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Xinhuan dies |
| 21:32.42 | Keias | rofl |
| 21:32.47 | Keias | Snuck it in with CIA |
| 21:32.50 | Xinhuan | now implement "kill bars when Static Charge is removed" :) |
| 21:32.57 | Xinhuan | hehe! |
| 21:33.30 | NeoTron | ah speaking of static charge... nice addition on vashj to show who picks up / gets the core |
| 21:33.45 | kebinusan | its always had that hasnt it |
| 21:34.07 | Funkeh` | not always, but was added quite a while ago |
| 21:34.10 | Xinhuan | no it was fairly recent |
| 21:34.10 | charon | however what i came here to ask.... i've been trying to set up WoW on linux, but cedega has intolerable freezes (like lag spikes) and wine fps are about half those of cedega |
| 21:34.11 | Funkeh` | -quite- |
| 21:34.16 | charon | so what do the linuxers here use? |
| 21:34.34 | kebinusan | I use wine |
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| 21:34.38 | Funkeh` | wine and ubuntu |
| 21:34.48 | Ellipsis | rofl, Funkeh` wins |
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| 21:34.59 | kebinusan | Flash n shake was a nice addition |
| 21:35.00 | Xinhuan | i think static charge is about the only other debuff that i can think of atm that can have a bar removed on (cloak of shadows/divine shield/ice block) |
| 21:35.04 | neenee | I used WoW on linux, but I never managed to get it to work as well as it runs on windows, so I gave up in the end. |
| 21:35.05 | kebinusan | I get a bit of tunnel vision when leading raids |
| 21:35.11 | Xinhuan | blizzard's running out of ideas for bosses though |
| 21:35.43 | Funkeh` | no point adding it for the 2 rogues you bring to your raid |
| 21:35.54 | Xinhuan | i suppose you have a point about 2 rogues |
| 21:36.04 | kebinusan | we have 3-4 on vashj normally |
| 21:36.14 | Xinhuan | divine shield is common though |
| 21:36.45 | charon | ok so i'll try to improve on wine |
| 21:37.18 | charon | and what about addons, is there a better solution than wget files.wowace.com/foo/foo.zip && unzip foo.zip ? |
| 21:37.21 | neenee | Good luck. |
| 21:37.23 | Xinhuan | i'm reading this thread with interest atm |
| 21:37.30 | neenee | Why not use the java WAU |
| 21:37.32 | neenee | version 2.0 |
| 21:37.35 | neenee | That might work |
| 21:37.58 | kebinusan | the armory login is terribly buggy, I seem to have to login twice to see the guild bank log |
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| 21:39.10 | charon | anything that can run with or without java, has four times the RSS if it's enabled |
| 21:39.17 | buu | Anyone have a warlock on the ptr? |
| 21:39.18 | Stanzilla | kebinusan: I cant even log in |
| 21:39.19 | CIA-8 | 03damjau * r55638 10Cartographer_Routes/Locale-koKR.lua: Cartographer_Routes: copy file for koKR locals |
| 21:39.44 | kebinusan | ptr is up? |
| 21:39.58 | Xinhuan | nope |
| 21:40.22 | Stanzilla | not yet |
| 21:41.57 | CIA-8 | 03damjau * r55639 10Cartographer_Routes/ (Cartographer_Routes.toc Locale-koKR.lua): Cartographer_Routes: add koKR locals |
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| 21:43.16 | kenlyric | http://www.iugaza.edu.ps/eng/ this is the kind of stuff I learn about in my job. |
| 21:43.30 | kenlyric | that must be a fun school to go to. |
| 21:43.34 | Kemayo | charon: |
| 21:43.37 | Kemayo | ~wowacepy |
| 21:43.37 | purl | it has been said that wowacepy is a python script to update wowace addons from files.wowace.com. it is at http://code.google.com/p/wowacepy/downloads/list |
| 21:43.42 | Kirkburn | 2.3.2 patch notes are out :) http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.3.2 |
| 21:44.09 | CIA-8 | 03funkydude * r55640 10BigWigs/Hyjal/Archimonde.lua: |
| 21:44.09 | CIA-8 | BigWigs: Hyjal/Archimonde: |
| 21:44.09 | CIA-8 | - register other but don't sync it |
| 21:44.14 | charon | Kemayo: thanks! both ace and python, that's almost too good to be true ;) |
| 21:44.45 | Xinhuan | 2.3.2? must read |
| 21:44.59 | neenee | When is it coming out? |
| 21:45.01 | kenlyric | Kirkburn also needs to read, apaprently. |
| 21:45.02 | neenee | next week? |
| 21:45.07 | kenlyric | "Full patch notes are coming soon!" |
| 21:45.13 | Xinhuan | wtf |
| 21:45.20 | Xinhuan | Icy Veins (NEW Frost Talent) decreases casting time of all spells by 20% and increases the chance your chilling effects will freeze the target by 25%. It lasts 20 seconds and has a 3 minute cooldown. It is now in the Cold Snap position in the talent tree. |
| 21:45.21 | Xinhuan | WTF |
| 21:45.51 | Xinhuan | Conjure Mana Gem (Rank 6 - Emerald) now restores 1800 to 3000 mana and has three charges. |
| 21:45.52 | Kirkburn | kenlyric, eh? |
| 21:45.54 | Xinhuan | best changes EVER |
| 21:45.58 | Kirkburn | It helps if you reload pages |
| 21:46.01 | Ellipsis | 3 charges? |
| 21:46.02 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 21:46.12 | kenlyric | that was theh first time I visited that link. |
| 21:46.27 | Kirkburn | Then I have no idea how you got an old version :P |
| 21:46.53 | Xinhuan | Kirkburn, i also clicked on that link the moment i saw it |
| 21:46.58 | Xinhuan | i also have "Full patch notes are coming soon!" at the top |
| 21:47.22 | Kemayo | I, too, see the three changes. |
| 21:47.31 | Xinhuan | possibly a cache on some ISP isn't refreshing the page |
| 21:47.53 | Kirkburn | Weird |
| 21:47.59 | kenlyric | or wowwiki caches it |
| 21:48.09 | Kirkburn | Can't be, it's showing the correct page |
| 21:48.19 | Xinhuan | pressing F5 loads the correct page |
| 21:48.28 | Kemayo | Okay, I reloaded a few times and got the correct one. |
| 21:48.58 | Xinhuan | You can now see raid members on the minimap as dark blue dots in addition to party members which still display as light blue dots. |
| 21:48.59 | Xinhuan | whoa |
| 21:49.01 | kenlyric | yay! goodbye to commendation collectors on the minimap. |
| 21:49.03 | Xinhuan | this means |
| 21:49.12 | Xinhuan | you can now plot all your raid members on a instance map |
| 21:49.17 | Ellipsis | # /cast will toggle spells again unless the name is prefixed with an exclamation mark, e.g. /castsequence Steady Shot, !Auto Shot |
| 21:49.18 | Xinhuan | if you know your location in it |
| 21:49.19 | Ellipsis | YESSSSS |
| 21:49.26 | Ellipsis | a way to control that, finally |
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| 21:51.53 | kebinusan | thats going to be kind of annoying in instances seeing 25 dots on the minimap |
| 21:51.59 | kenlyric | hmmm.. processing failed. |
| 21:52.06 | kenlyric | what's the practical benefit of that Ellipsis? |
| 21:52.23 | NightHawkAtWork | Ellipsis: er, wait, explain that? |
| 21:52.25 | NightHawkAtWork | i don't ge tit |
| 21:52.27 | Xinhuan | you realise you can now use that as a mechanism to display which direction to run |
| 21:52.28 | NightHawkAtWork | get it* |
| 21:52.28 | Ellipsis | it means hunters can stop QQing |
| 21:52.32 | Kemayo | Ooo. "Ready check (/readycheck) will now display a visual display of each party/raid member's status next to their name." |
| 21:52.33 | Xinhuan | at Gruul using an addon? |
| 21:52.34 | Ellipsis | that's all I know, and that's all I care about |
| 21:52.42 | Ellipsis | I have a hunch it may fix my mount macro as well, but not 100% sure |
| 21:52.44 | kenlyric | I've never used a castsequence macro. |
| 21:52.53 | Xinhuan | kinda like Thaddius Arrows |
| 21:52.53 | Ellipsis | it affects /cast as well |
| 21:52.57 | kenlyric | I don't see why you'd put autoshot and steady shot together. |
| 21:52.59 | Xinhuan | instead you call it Gruul Arrows now |
| 21:53.26 | CIA-8 | 03nogudnik * r55641 10Skillet/UI/MainFrame.lua: |
| 21:53.26 | CIA-8 | Skillet: |
| 21:53.26 | CIA-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.26 | CIA-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.44 | NightHawkAtWork | Ellipsis: ooh. I think i get it, for spells that are a toggle (auto shot, attack), it'll toggle those on/off unless you prefix it with a ! |
| 21:54.04 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: because hunters seem to think that all of their gameplay should be automatable by a one-button spammable macro |
| 21:54.08 | kenlyric | doesn't autoshot just keep casting? |
| 21:54.13 | kenlyric | Ellipsis: it is. |
| 21:54.13 | NightHawkAtWork | kenlyric: yes, thats the point |
| 21:54.15 | Ellipsis | and they cry every time Blizz nerfs it |
| 21:54.25 | NightHawkAtWork | it's a toggle. one cast turns it one, another one would turn it off |
| 21:54.35 | kenlyric | so take autoshot out of the macro entirely. |
| 21:54.44 | kenlyric | it just stays on anyway, unless I'm doing something wrong. |
| 21:54.54 | kebinusan | because reducing a class to mashing one button is what wow is progressing towards.. hunters just got there first |
| 21:55.04 | kenlyric | we were like that before 2.3 |
| 21:55.08 | kenlyric | gogo KC/Steady macro |
| 21:55.15 | NightHawkAtWork | kenlyric: point being, hunters want to be able to spam a single macro which uses steady shot, and auto-starts auto shot if its not already |
| 21:55.23 | Xinhuan | * The number of Blood Elves guarding Prince Kael'Thas' room has been reduced. |
| 21:55.25 | Xinhuan | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 21:55.26 | kenlyric | ohhh. |
| 21:55.27 | Xinhuan | * The number of Blood Elves guarding Prince Kael'Thas' room has been reduced. |
| 21:55.30 | Xinhuan | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 21:55.30 | Ellipsis | yeah |
| 21:55.34 | kenlyric | oh, that still doesn't make sense, but OK. |
| 21:55.42 | Ellipsis | no, it doesn't |
| 21:55.47 | kenlyric | steady shot starts auto. |
| 21:56.00 | kebinusan | What it was too hard to clear 7 groups of mobs on your way to kael? |
| 21:56.01 | NightHawkAtWork | kenlyric: I'm just guessing on that particular example, tbh |
| 21:56.01 | Ellipsis | but it also applies to other things like a melee class macroing his opening move to include /attack as well |
| 21:56.16 | kenlyric | it would be a good think for *arcane* shot, since it has a cooldown. |
| 21:56.17 | NightHawkAtWork | Ellipsis: well, for melee we have /startattack, which isn't a toggle at all |
| 21:56.27 | Keias | come kill him Xinhuan ;) |
| 21:56.29 | kenlyric | but if auto ever stops for whatever reason, I just fire steady again. |
| 21:56.35 | kenlyric | so, I might be doing it wrong. |
| 21:56.36 | NightHawkAtWork | Ellipsis: which is why I kind of understand it, but really fail to see practical uses for it |
| 21:56.41 | Ellipsis | you'll note I also didn't say /cast Attack since that got broken |
| 21:56.44 | Xinhuan | * A "Withdraw-Repair Only" button has been added to the guild bank controls. If this is set for a guild rank, then that rank cannot actually withdraw funds from the guild bank, but they can still use that daily amount of money for repairs. |
| 21:56.54 | NightHawkAtWork | Ellipsis: yeah, i was going to say that too, but i realized it doesnt work anymore ;) |
| 21:57.00 | Ellipsis | :P |
| 21:57.15 | NightHawkAtWork | Xinhuan: can you link to these changes? |
| 21:57.26 | Ellipsis | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.3.2 |
| 21:57.26 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.3.2 |
| 21:57.29 | Ellipsis | I win |
| 21:57.35 | Keias | Damn, already? |
| 21:58.01 | Ellipsis | Fixed Spell/Ability is not ready yet message when clicking quickly at the beginning of a cast. |
| 21:58.05 | Lukian | Keias, wow is in constant motion, their coders don't have breaks! :D |
| 21:58.08 | Ellipsis | minor, but quite a relief |
| 21:58.09 | NightHawkAtWork | is 2.3.2 currently on the ptr? |
| 21:58.25 | Ellipsis | it will be tonight/tomorrow I think? |
| 21:58.30 | NightHawkAtWork | okay |
| 21:58.34 | Ellipsis | don't remember the exact time, but sometime in the next 24 hours |
| 21:58.43 | Diao | lol |
| 21:58.46 | Diao | they unnerfed freezing trap |
| 21:59.16 | Orionshock | You will now automatically stand up when attacked, even if the attack doesn’t land. ?? |
| 21:59.41 | NightHawkAtWork | Orionshock: what's confusing about that? :P |
| 21:59.42 | Diao | wtf |
| 21:59.42 | kenlyric | um |
| 21:59.44 | Diao | fuck ice mages |
| 21:59.48 | kenlyric | that's the most obvious of the patch notes |
| 21:59.48 | Diao | Icy Veins (NEW Frost Talent) decreases casting time of all spells by 20% and increases the chance your chilling effects will freeze the target by 25%. Lasts 20 sec. 3 min cooldown. It is now in the Cold Snap position in the talent tree. |
| 21:59.51 | Diao | wow |
| 21:59.54 | Diao | that is gay |
| 21:59.56 | Diao | :( |
| 21:59.57 | kenlyric | uh |
| 21:59.58 | Orionshock | odd that they specificly do that... |
| 22:00.00 | kenlyric | you mean fuck fire mages. |
| 22:00.03 | Diao | no |
| 22:00.05 | Diao | fuck ice mages |
| 22:00.06 | Diao | lol |
| 22:00.11 | Diao | 40% chance for frostbite to proc |
| 22:00.12 | NightHawkAtWork | kenlyric: wait, wha thappened to cold snap? trained ability? |
| 22:00.14 | Diao | that is ridiculous gay |
| 22:00.18 | Diao | Cold Snap (Frost) cooldown reduced. It is now in the Ice Block position in the talent tree. This ability will no longer reset the cooldown on Fire Ward. |
| 22:00.25 | kenlyric | wait for it |
| 22:00.27 | kenlyric | there |
| 22:00.29 | NightHawkAtWork | ahh, and ice block is trained :) |
| 22:00.31 | Ellipsis | lol, fire ward |
| 22:00.39 | kenlyric | cold snap got moved *up* which is crazy. |
| 22:00.48 | kenlyric | I can't expect that will last off the ptr. |
| 22:01.01 | Diao | ugh |
| 22:01.03 | NightHawkAtWork | those changes make me want to finish leveling my frost mage |
| 22:01.04 | kenlyric | cold snap back at 11, icy veins at 21 |
| 22:01.06 | Diao | if i see a frost mage |
| 22:01.08 | Diao | i'm just gonna run |
| 22:01.13 | NightHawkAtWork | kenlyric: wouldn't surprise me |
| 22:01.20 | Diao | cause i'll have less of a chance against them |
| 22:01.22 | NightHawkAtWork | Diao: gl with that, frost bolt, blink, frost nova? |
| 22:01.22 | Diao | than i do now |
| 22:01.30 | Diao | lol |
| 22:01.37 | kenlyric | a friend on another channel said: "that shit's gonna be so nerfed I don't even want to pretend it exists" |
| 22:01.45 | Diao | i guess i'll just sit down |
| 22:01.47 | Diao | and wait for the death |
| 22:01.53 | kenlyric | but you'll stand right back up |
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| 22:01.55 | Diao | cause there's nothing to even fight against with that |
| 22:01.55 | NightHawkAtWork | Diao: thats what I do. but i'm a pve carebare on a pvp server |
| 22:02.04 | NightHawkAtWork | bear* |
| 22:02.07 | AlexanderB | which plugin can shows me my dps well? |
| 22:02.12 | Ellipsis | which just begs the question, why don't you transfer to pve? :P |
| 22:02.19 | AlexanderB | aehm addon |
| 22:02.20 | AlexanderB | ... |
| 22:02.21 | kenlyric | 20% haste every 3 minutes is pretty OP for PVE too |
| 22:02.33 | NightHawkAtWork | Ellipsis: my "friends" play there, and the main reason i still play wow at all is to play with them |
| 22:02.42 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: for 20 seconds, too, srsly |
| 22:02.48 | Diao | yeah |
| 22:02.53 | Ellipsis | NightHawkAtWork: if that's the case, why is friends in quotes? o.O |
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| 22:03.13 | NightHawkAtWork | Ellipsis: because they're pretty awesome people outside of game, but in-game, they piss me off quite often. |
| 22:03.15 | kenlyric | and with the improvement to mana emerald, who needs clearcasting anyway? |
| 22:03.17 | Diao | lol |
| 22:03.27 | NightHawkAtWork | kenlyric: improvement to mana emerald? |
| 22:03.43 | Ellipsis | 3 charges |
| 22:03.45 | Ellipsis | OP imo |
| 22:03.48 | kenlyric | 1800-3000 mana, 3 charges. |
| 22:03.53 | NightHawkAtWork | ah, just read it |
| 22:03.56 | NightHawkAtWork | jesus |
| 22:03.56 | Diao | Water Shield now restores mana periodically regardless of how many charges remain. Duration increased to 10 minutes. |
| 22:03.57 | Xinhuan | why only Emerald lol |
| 22:04.00 | Diao | lol that is badass |
| 22:04.03 | Xinhuan | should make all gems 3 charges! |
| 22:04.03 | Diao | i want a shammy |
| 22:04.06 | NightHawkAtWork | Diao: woo. frucking. hoo. |
| 22:04.09 | kenlyric | I bet they'll make it so you can only have one :) |
| 22:04.20 | NightHawkAtWork | Diao: recasting water shield every goddam minute sucked ass though |
| 22:04.28 | NightHawkAtWork | especially when i was trying to spam heal a tank |
| 22:04.48 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: why don't they just give mages a passive + 15% of your maximum mana every 5sec |
| 22:04.51 | kenlyric | the change to aspect of the viper makes me wonder if maybe FD/drink was in the hunter mana regen model |
| 22:05.15 | NightHawkAtWork | kenlyric: wouldn't surprise me. |
| 22:05.33 | NightHawkAtWork | kenlyric: most game design is based on what's technicallly possible, not what's desired. |
| 22:05.50 | CIA-8 | 03orionshock * r55642 10SickOfClickingDailies/ (SickOfClickingDailies.toc core.lua localization-enUS.lua): |
| 22:05.50 | CIA-8 | SickOfClickingDailies: |
| 22:05.50 | CIA-8 | -Add More 2.3 stuff and cross update from v5 |
| 22:06.14 | kenlyric | hey, one daily I don't want that to autoaccept is cooking. |
| 22:06.16 | NightHawkAtWork | oh, sweet, ES Mana cost reduced. |
| 22:06.25 | kenlyric | so I can go away if it's anything in BEM. |
| 22:06.26 | Orionshock | kenlyric: it has em all |
| 22:06.37 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: see that little "abandon quest" button? |
| 22:06.45 | Ellipsis | or heck, leave it in your log |
| 22:06.47 | Ellipsis | not hurting anything |
| 22:06.52 | kenlyric | i have to hover over questfu and click and stuff. |
| 22:06.55 | kenlyric | it's all this work. |
| 22:06.59 | Ellipsis | lazy bum |
| 22:07.00 | kenlyric | can I have two cooking dailies? |
| 22:07.09 | Ellipsis | no |
| 22:07.15 | kenlyric | this... is... #wowace. Lazy bum is us. |
| 22:07.19 | Ellipsis | if you keep a daily past the reset, you can abandon and accept the new one |
| 22:07.25 | Ellipsis | but you can't accept until you abandon |
| 22:07.56 | NightHawkAtWork | woo! LW drums range upped to 40 yards! |
| 22:08.03 | kenlyric | sweet delicious weekend.. Thank you pilgrims for slaughtering your indiana friends. |
| 22:08.08 | NightHawkAtWork | now i don't have to ass rape my group members to buff them |
| 22:08.19 | Diao | lol |
| 22:08.29 | kenlyric | now, get them to do the same fro Circle of Healing. |
| 22:08.54 | NightHawkAtWork | (tbh, as a healing shaman in a melee group, it was a pita to buff them with LW drums) |
| 22:09.03 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: you need an IRC client with spellcheck, imo |
| 22:09.10 | kenlyric | I do. |
| 22:09.27 | kenlyric | indiana and fro are both words. |
| 22:13.01 | rubik_ | so seeing as WWS developer dude ran away with everyone's money (he's been MIA for like a month now and WWS can't parse ZA logs and as of today won't display ANY reports)... someone is going to work on some free code to parse/host combatlogs come 2.4, right? :P |
| 22:13.53 | Orionshock | rubik_: tell me whats the point of parsing combat logs? |
| 22:14.03 | Orionshock | the real viable useful point? |
| 22:14.15 | rubik_ | i want them stored post-combat and out of game |
| 22:14.23 | Orionshock | for what reason |
| 22:14.24 | rubik_ | for me/my guild to refer back to |
| 22:14.38 | rubik_ | not for an unlimited amount of time, of course |
| 22:14.47 | NightHawkAtWork | Orionshock: combat log analasys can actually provide useful information on performance of the guild as a whole, and individual performance |
| 22:14.50 | rubik_ | for say, a week after said raid.. after that, nobody will check |
| 22:14.52 | charon | wws tends to prove our tanking warriors forgot shield wall in an easily linkable fashion |
| 22:14.56 | charon | er |
| 22:15.00 | charon | shield _block_ of course |
| 22:15.11 | NightHawkAtWork | rubik_: imo, someone eneds to implement WWS as an open source script that anyone can run on their own log files |
| 22:15.22 | rubik_ | NightHawkAtWork: i agree 100% |
| 22:15.46 | NightHawkAtWork | and, If i were unlazy, I probably would have by now, but.. I am extremely lazy. |
| 22:15.52 | rubik_ | would even offer to help code the parsing or hosting part.. whatever.. rusty with lua but can code php/perl/whatever |
| 22:16.03 | Ellipsis | the parsing will be ezmode come 2.4 |
| 22:16.19 | rubik_ | sounded like it from that thread |
| 22:16.21 | NightHawkAtWork | Ellipsis: well, in-game at least, out-of-game might still be the same. |
| 22:16.26 | Ellipsis | no |
| 22:16.33 | Ellipsis | slouken posted about the logged format |
| 22:16.37 | NightHawkAtWork | oh? |
| 22:16.43 | Ellipsis | yeah, it's basically the same as the in-game one |
| 22:16.46 | NightHawkAtWork | sweet shit. |
| 22:16.47 | Ellipsis | comma separated args |
| 22:16.51 | Ellipsis | easily parsable |
| 22:16.55 | rubik_ | csv |
| 22:16.56 | rubik_ | yeah |
| 22:17.08 | NightHawkAtWork | That may give me the inspiration to actually write a combat log parser. |
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| 22:17.46 | rubik_ | heh.. just a matter of taking all the data and building the code to store everyone's crap done per actor, etc. |
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| 22:17.56 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, basically. |
| 22:18.01 | buu | Ellipsis: Now I really want to write one. |
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| 22:18.19 | NightHawkAtWork | should be pretty easy to push that into a nicely normalized sql schema |
| 22:18.28 | rubik_ | between a few of us, should be rather quick to do... but will need to know more about 2.4 changes.. ptr? hah |
| 22:18.58 | buu | But I don't want to write one just to have to replace it all.. |
| 22:19.03 | buu | Ok I'm bored, someone send me a combat log. |
| 22:20.01 | rubik_ | best way of doing it would be to write some kind of parser that just spits out a couple/few html files with a report.. then they can host it wherever they want.. with no dependencies |
| 22:20.09 | Polarina | buu: Young Wolf dies. |
| 22:20.22 | buu | Polarina: Haha. |
| 22:20.23 | rubik_ | buu: hah.. wouldn't bother until we see a 2.4 combatlog honestly |
| 22:20.30 | buu | rubik_: Well, I thought that briefly. |
| 22:20.40 | buu | rubik_: But really, parsing the log is like 10% of the code. |
| 22:20.51 | rubik_ | true |
| 22:21.01 | Ellipsis | no reason to write that code when it becomes trivial next patch, imo |
| 22:21.02 | buu | So send me a log file =[ |
| 22:21.03 | Ellipsis | x.x |
| 22:21.05 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, it's just that currently, it's 50% of the work. :P |
| 22:21.09 | buu | Ellipsis: Well, you can write the rest o fit. |
| 22:21.12 | rubik_ | but building huge++ arrays with actor-done stuff is a big part |
| 22:21.12 | Ellipsis | yeah |
| 22:21.31 | Ellipsis | the analysis and data manipulation are the good bits anyway |
| 22:21.32 | durcyn | eh, could do the parsing trivially enough in perl |
| 22:21.52 | durcyn | it's reassembling that data into meaningful output that's ponderous |
| 22:21.53 | NightHawkAtWork | s/perl/any language that supports pcres/ :P |
| 22:22.06 | Ozguli- | http://koti.mbnet.fi/probli/wow/GM.PNG |
| 22:22.08 | durcyn | shh, there is only perl. |
| 22:22.50 | durcyn | if the addon API was perl, I might actually write something! |
| 22:24.01 | NightHawkAtWork | durcyn: oh man, i would joygasm if wow used purl for it's addon language. |
| 22:24.04 | NightHawkAtWork | perl* |
| 22:24.06 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 22:24.09 | NightHawkAtWork | purl: fuck you. |
| 22:24.09 | purl | I have a headache |
| 22:24.12 | Ellipsis | ahahaa |
| 22:24.17 | NightHawkAtWork | proof that purl's a chick, i suppose |
| 22:24.22 | Ellipsis | purl: gender |
| 22:24.23 | purl | I'm gay |
| 22:24.23 | Ozguli- | real chat lines in that link btw |
| 22:24.27 | neenee | Good night one and all |
| 22:24.34 | Ellipsis | purl, will you marry me? |
| 22:24.35 | purl | no, ellipsis, I prefer virile men. |
| 22:24.41 | Ellipsis | there you go |
| 22:24.43 | Ellipsis | he's a gay man |
| 22:24.52 | durcyn | i thought perl was female |
| 22:24.55 | durcyn | lesbians much hotter. |
| 22:24.57 | Ellipsis | someone changed gender :( |
| 22:25.03 | buu | durcyn: Haha yeah. |
| 22:25.07 | NightHawkAtWork | Ellipsis: maybe she just called you an impotent man. |
| 22:25.10 | buu | durcyn: you could never secure it. |
| 22:25.20 | durcyn | buu: that's half the fun |
| 22:25.25 | Ellipsis | doesn't change the fact that purl claims to be gay and interested in men |
| 22:25.29 | buu | durcyn: Well, you could, but it would take effort. |
| 22:25.38 | Ellipsis | which logically implies purl is male |
| 22:25.39 | buu | eval: 2+2 |
| 22:25.41 | buu | Hrm. |
| 22:25.44 | buu | buubot: eval: 2+2 |
| 22:25.44 | buubot | buu: 4 |
| 22:26.21 | NightHawkAtWork | Ellipsis: maybe she was lying about being gay |
| 22:26.23 | Polarina | buubot: eval: 2^64 |
| 22:26.24 | buubot | Polarina: 66 |
| 22:26.32 | Polarina | buubot: WRONG! |
| 22:26.37 | NightHawkAtWork | purl: are you a liar? |
| 22:26.37 | purl | I always lie! I'm lying right now!! |
| 22:26.39 | Ellipsis | NightHawkAtWork: then why won't she marry me? :( |
| 22:26.53 | NightHawkAtWork | because she preferes virile men? like she said? |
| 22:26.58 | Ellipsis | but I can get the operation! |
| 22:27.05 | NightHawkAtWork | -virile- |
| 22:27.16 | Ellipsis | but I can...er...well...fine |
| 22:27.20 | NightHawkAtWork | :D |
| 22:27.21 | Ellipsis | =[ |
| 22:27.31 | Ellipsis | purl, I love you :( |
| 22:27.31 | purl | You love you :(? |
| 22:27.35 | Ellipsis | ... |
| 22:27.45 | Ellipsis | no, purl, I love you |
| 22:27.49 | NeoTron | hah |
| 22:28.00 | NeoTron | WoW 2.3.2 adds a benchmarking command |
| 22:28.19 | Polarina | NeoTron: :D |
| 22:28.42 | Polarina | NeoTron: Ru'Theran Village ← |
| 22:28.56 | NightHawkAtWork | Ellipsis: ah, the pain of unrequited love. |
| 22:28.57 | Polarina | NeoTron: Ru'Theran Village ←-→ Auberdine. |
| 22:29.07 | NightHawkAtWork | or, to quote bablyon 5, "All love is unrequited." |
| 22:29.12 | Ellipsis | -.- |
| 22:29.20 | Ellipsis | purl's going to turn me emo |
| 22:29.21 | Ellipsis | I swear |
| 22:29.26 | NightHawkAtWork | wait, you're not already? |
| 22:29.30 | Ellipsis | hey now |
| 22:29.42 | Ellipsis | I should slap you for that but instead I'm going to go home and cry because I'm *sensitive* like that |
| 22:29.54 | Ellipsis | and then I'll cut myself to make the pain go away! |
| 22:29.57 | durcyn | remember, when you cut your wrists, it's down the road, not across the street. |
| 22:30.51 | NightHawkAtWork | does that mean you won't slap me? :( |
| 22:30.57 | buu | Polarina: That's not wrong, you just don't know what ^ does. |
| 22:31.10 | NeoTron | "lade's Edge Mountains: Players accepting the bombing run quests in Blade's Edge Plateaus will no longer cause other players in the region to stand up." |
| 22:31.13 | NeoTron | so |
| 22:31.26 | Polarina | buu: Let me show you. |
| 22:31.29 | NeoTron | how the hell do you introduce a bug where someone accepting a qeust makes players in the zone stand up? |
| 22:31.32 | Polarina | lua> 2 ^ 16 |
| 22:31.32 | lua_bot | Polarina: 65536 |
| 22:31.39 | Polarina | lua> 2^64 |
| 22:31.40 | lua_bot | Polarina: 1.844674407371e+19 |
| 22:31.45 | Polarina | buu: You are wrong! |
| 22:32.12 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: you know, you have no idea how many times i've heard/said "How the hell do you introduce a bug that <does something or other>" |
| 22:32.14 | buu | Lua is also wrong! |
| 22:32.25 | buu | Not my problem. |
| 22:32.31 | NightHawkAtWork | trust me, large software projects are very complex, and the interconnected relationships are very, very, insidious. |
| 22:32.44 | buu | Someone send me a combat log. |
| 22:32.46 | buu | Or I'll hate you all. |
| 22:32.51 | Polarina | buu: '^' is the power of operator! It is a universal standard!! |
| 22:32.57 | NightHawkAtWork | buu: but i already hate you. :D |
| 22:33.14 | Ellipsis | Polarina: no it's not |
| 22:33.20 | Ellipsis | l2geek |
| 22:33.23 | Polarina | Ellipsis: It's a common standard! |
| 22:33.26 | NightHawkAtWork | Polarina: i wouldn't say it's universal with respect to programming languages |
| 22:33.43 | buu | Polarina: ^ is xor. |
| 22:33.45 | buu | Bitch. |
| 22:33.51 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 22:33.58 | Polarina | buu: That's in C. |
| 22:34.06 | Polarina | buu: But in mathematics, it's power of. |
| 22:34.17 | NightHawkAtWork | math != programming languages |
| 22:34.23 | Ellipsis | no, in mathematics you use superscript for it :P |
| 22:34.24 | Polarina | buu: It's the power of operator in linear algebra. |
| 22:34.42 | NightHawkAtWork | Ellipsis: that only words if your medium allows for superscript |
| 22:34.47 | Ellipsis | so? |
| 22:34.58 | Ellipsis | you can't say xor should take a backseat just because you can't use superscript here |
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| 22:35.03 | Ellipsis | xor had ^ first! |
| 22:35.04 | kaiden | anyone happen to have a link for the photoshop .blp plugin handy ? |
| 22:35.13 | NightHawkAtWork | well, if i wanted to express x equals 4 to the y'th power here in irc, i'd have to use something other than superscript |
| 22:35.24 | NightHawkAtWork | and, within the realm of mathematics, ^ is standard for that use |
| 22:35.41 | buu | NightHawkAtWork: Real men use ** |
| 22:35.48 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 22:36.00 | NightHawkAtWork | buu: well, real men arn't mathematicians. :) |
| 22:36.06 | Ellipsis | that way you can do x = (4 ** y) ^ 2158 |
| 22:36.28 | NeoTron | buu: so did you get to the last 15% of Leotheras at least? |
| 22:36.54 | buu | NeoTron: We haven't raided for a while. |
| 22:37.06 | NeoTron | "Ready check (/readycheck) will now display a visual display of each party/raid member's status next to their name. This will display in the Party UI, the Raid UI and the Raid pullout UI. A player will get a check mark if they are ready, a question mark if they have not replied and a red X if they are not ready or are afk." |
| 22:37.09 | buu | NeoTron: We did kill doomlord though, that was a truly epic fight. |
| 22:37.26 | [Ammo] | NeoTron: finally :) |
| 22:37.30 | NeoTron | hopefully that is going to be able to be used by x-perl and other third party unitframes and addons |
| 22:37.39 | NeoTron | then we can entirely skip oRA2 ready checks too |
| 22:37.49 | Ellipsis | uh... |
| 22:37.56 | [Ammo] | I'll just make oRA2 use this for it's display |
| 22:38.01 | [Ammo] | anyway |
| 22:38.02 | [Ammo] | time for bed |
| 22:38.10 | NeoTron | well that'd work too |
| 22:38.19 | NeoTron | but today oRA2 doesn't use the standard wow ready check |
| 22:38.27 | NeoTron | but it is better |
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| 22:40.46 | Diao | hm |
| 22:40.50 | Diao | massive taint from grid o_O |
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| 22:43.27 | buu | NeoTron: Send me a combat log. |
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| 22:45.33 | NeoTron | why? |
| 22:48.04 | buu | NeoTron: I want to ABUSE IT. |
| 22:48.11 | Diao | rofl |
| 22:48.14 | buu | I just want to read a combatlog =[ |
| 22:48.17 | buu | Someone send me one. |
| 22:48.17 | Diao | dps plate is clearly warrior gear |
| 22:48.18 | guernica | Anyone know why I cannot move my combat and text windows after installing bartender? Like I cant get the tabs to show up to move them. |
| 22:48.30 | buu | guernica: Try unlocking them. |
| 22:48.36 | Ellipsis | interface options -> lock chat settings |
| 22:48.36 | Diao | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968115927&sid=1&pageNo=8#154 <- according to eyonix, it's warrior gear, not ret gear rofl |
| 22:48.55 | guernica | buu: I can't get to the tabs at all. |
| 22:49.20 | buu | guernica: See what Ellipsis said. |
| 22:49.26 | guernica | Ellipsis: it is unchecked... |
| 22:49.49 | Diao | hm all the taint is from gridmanabars |
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| 22:51.15 | Ellipsis | guernica: and the tabs don't show even after hovering over them for a few seconds? |
| 22:51.22 | Ellipsis | are you sure you don't have a chat addon hiding them, e.g. Prat? |
| 22:51.45 | guernica | I have simplecombatlog, but it worked before installing bartender... |
| 22:52.03 | guernica | normally if you click in the chat window it will show the tabs, but they aren't coming up at all |
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| 22:54.55 | guernica | actually it was after I started to configure bartender and move shit around... after i restarted wow, I can't get to the chat tabs |
| 22:55.24 | Ellipsis | hmm |
| 22:55.35 | Ellipsis | I can't think of anything but an addon hiding them |
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| 22:56.15 | guernica | should I try to reset my bartender settings, and then reload them after I can move it? |
| 22:56.31 | Ellipsis | yeah, try that |
| 22:56.42 | Ellipsis | if bartender is really the cause, then you should report it as a bug |
| 22:59.39 | Kemayo | guernica: It's possible that you have an empty bartender bar over your tabs. |
| 22:59.45 | nevcairiel | how should it even be remotely possible that bartender causes that |
| 22:59.54 | nevcairiel | or what Kemayo said, hit unlock and look for green bars |
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| 23:02.48 | guernica | Kemayo: when I edit bartender positions, it does not show up there, but would it? |
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| 23:04.09 | guernica | I have reset bartender, with no luck |
| 23:04.19 | CIA-8 | 03rodrick * r55644 10NazGuildRecruiter/ (Core.lua NazGuildRecruiter.toc readme.txt): |
| 23:04.19 | CIA-8 | NazGuildRecruiter: |
| 23:04.19 | CIA-8 | - Enabled options for MOTD settings |
| 23:04.19 | CIA-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.19 | CIA-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.18 | nevcairiel | guernica: have you tried disabling bartender and see if the error persists? |
| 23:06.54 | guernica | nevcairiel: that was my next step... doing that now |
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| 23:09.15 | guernica | hrm, disabled all addons, still nothing... |
| 23:09.21 | guernica | should I delete my WTF folder? |
| 23:09.42 | Eternally777 | Anyone able to answer a question regarding the Ace3 alpha? |
| 23:09.51 | JoshBorke | Eternjust ask |
| 23:09.56 | JoshBorke | or leave... |
| 23:09.57 | nevcairiel | Eternally777: probably |
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| 23:11.26 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 23:11.32 | nevcairiel | i just noticed now that he left |
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| 23:12.04 | Eternally777 | Bah, disconnected. |
| 23:12.23 | JCinDE | guernica: you sure you're not running another mod...like Prat maybe? |
| 23:12.25 | guernica | Does Ace have a auctioneer type mod? |
| 23:12.31 | guernica | JCinDE: positive |
| 23:12.37 | Diao | no, get auctioneer |
| 23:12.39 | Diao | :P |
| 23:12.40 | nevcairiel | Eternally777: so just ask |
| 23:13.48 | guernica | Diao: bah, I've been able to switch over to all Ace addons, its great I love it |
| 23:14.05 | Eternally777 | mmk. Does Ace3 possess the capability to use an AceOption table for slash commands? If so, which of the AceConfig libraries do I need to embed? |
| 23:14.08 | Diao | all my addons are either ace or svn |
| 23:14.11 | Diao | so i can update automatically |
| 23:14.13 | Diao | svn ftw |
| 23:14.36 | nevcairiel | Eternally777: AceConfigCmd |
| 23:14.38 | CIA-8 | 03funkydude * r55646 10BigWigs/TheEye/Alar.lua: BigWigs: TheEye/Alar: Meteor > Dive Bomb |
| 23:14.38 | CIA-8 | 03rabbit * r55645 10FuBar_DurabilityFu/DurabilityFu.lua: FuBar_DurabilityFu: Give it a bit more time before we update. |
| 23:15.10 | Eternally777 | Yeah, I figured I'd need that one. But only that one? Or AceConfigRegistry, too? |
| 23:15.47 | Stanzilla | Funkeh`: which libs will need to be rewritten for the Ace3 version of BigWigs? |
| 23:16.01 | nevcairiel | you need Registry for all of them |
| 23:16.03 | Polarina | Diao: SVN is for development, and it is HIGLY discouraged that anyone uses addons from SVN for their "Day to day" use! |
| 23:16.06 | nevcairiel | and then GUI or Cmd |
| 23:16.11 | nevcairiel | Dropdown hasnt been done yet :P |
| 23:16.17 | Funkeh` | Stanzilla, a few |
| 23:16.38 | Eternally777 | nevcairiel: Roger that. Thanks. |
| 23:17.26 | Stanzilla | Funkeh`: sounds like alot of work. good luck on it when the time has come |
| 23:17.38 | Diao | psh |
| 23:17.42 | Diao | i modify addons myself anyway |
| 23:17.53 | Diao | so i figure i might as well grab latest revisions for bug fixes |
| 23:18.02 | Funkeh` | Thanks, but we are mostly waiting around for the libs first, ammo will get the timer objects done in hes own time |
| 23:18.41 | kebinusan | sigh.. I lvoe losing 50 poitns to same team |
| 23:18.45 | Stanzilla | oh ok |
| 23:19.31 | guernica | there we go |
| 23:19.41 | Polarina | Diao: What about broken features, that breaks the entire addon (And most likely others) HARD? |
| 23:19.44 | guernica | I had to delete me WTF folder, and start configing all over again |
| 23:19.47 | Diao | then i revert my revision |
| 23:19.52 | Diao | duh |
| 23:19.59 | Diao | lol |
| 23:20.04 | Polarina | Diao: No! You fix it! |
| 23:20.07 | Diao | :( |
| 23:20.12 | Diao | i usually don't have svn access |
| 23:20.18 | Diao | so even if i fix it i don't submit :P |
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| 23:24.48 | kaiden | One more try, anyone know where that evil .blp plugin is that works with photoshop cs3? |
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| 23:30.20 | Polarina | kaiden: Download a keylogger and you got something evil. :) |
| 23:30.29 | dhask | morning |
| 23:30.38 | Polarina | dhask: It's night.. |
| 23:30.43 | dhask | not here |
| 23:30.52 | Polarina | dhask: Where you live? |
| 23:30.57 | dhask | australia |
| 23:31.13 | Polarina | dhask: I live above you (Iceland). |
| 23:31.43 | Polarina | dhask: You're under my feets! |
| 23:32.44 | dhask | you're under mine! |
| 23:32.45 | dhask | well |
| 23:32.48 | dhask | I'm sitting down |
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| 23:32.54 | dhask | so i guess technically you're under my ass |
| 23:32.55 | Zhinjio | kaiden: I still use the command lin blp2PNG converter |
| 23:32.57 | dhask | but let's just not go there |
| 23:33.50 | dhask | zhinjio, hmm, I wrote one of those, based on a partially working variant |
| 23:35.17 | dhask | interesting, "/timetest" |
| 23:36.48 | Polarina | dhask: Test out how long it takes to take an airplain to Iceland. |
| 23:38.31 | Funkeh` | gn |
| 23:38.56 | NeoTron | ~UGT |
| 23:38.57 | purl | [ugt] Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 23:57.32 | grennon | if i switch something from a regular hook to a secure hook, is there anything i need to change about any self.hooks call inside the custom function? |
| 23:58.00 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 23:58.08 | Arrowmaster | you dont call self.hooks |
| 23:58.39 | grennon | something else or is that just out of the question? |
| 23:59.14 | Arrowmaster | just out of the question due to how secure hooks work |
| 23:59.35 | grennon | but i could make a local copy of the hooked function and call that isntead |
