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| 00:07.15 | Poul|Raider | SetBackdrop() - are there a way to "move" the backdrop a offset? because the border of my backdrop is laying over some of the elements in my window? |
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| 00:15.46 | Toadkiller | Varazir[NA]:gOOD TO HEAR |
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| 00:19.04 | Mezir | hallo |
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| 00:19.38 | Mezir | erm, ive got a lil problem with my cartographer...i can't zoom out by rightclicking anymore anybode know how to solve this? |
| 00:20.04 | Ellipsis | unlock it |
| 00:20.35 | Mezir | 12L14aughing 12O14ut 12L14oud |
| 00:20.38 | Mezir | thanks a lot |
| 00:20.41 | Mezir | sry for the colors |
| 00:20.46 | Mezir | its my stupid script |
| 00:20.55 | Mezir | bye :D luv u guys! ace ftw |
| 00:21.35 | Zhinjio | some people are easily pleased. |
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| 00:23.06 | Erica | Hi... can anyone tell me where I can go to readup on dogtags for customizing Pitbull frames? |
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| 00:25.19 | vithos | Erica: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/DogTag-1.0/Tags though it may be a little out of date |
| 00:25.47 | Erica | Thank you :) |
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| 00:46.51 | dalhia | Can someone recommend me a mailmod that does pretty much what CT_mailmod does? (or at least the lovely mass mailing and mass opening function) |
| 00:47.06 | Lukian | bulkmail |
| 00:47.06 | dalhia | for some weird reason ct mailmod is taking 16mb memory now so its time to drop it |
| 00:47.12 | Lukian | and much much better ;) |
| 00:47.20 | dalhia | great, thanks :) |
| 00:47.34 | Lukian | you can make rules using periodtable sets or just items |
| 00:47.55 | Lukian | so basically you walk up to a mailbox, hit send and your bags are emptied of anything you've picked up :) |
| 00:48.15 | dalhia | ok, that rocks :D |
| 00:49.12 | dalhia | I have postal installed, cant recall what it does though, can you refresh my memory about it maybe? (so i know if I can delete it) |
| 00:50.35 | dalhia | I'll get rid of it and see if I miss some function :P |
| 00:51.41 | vithos | postal is pretty much a clone of ct_mailmod, i think. but it's been forever since i used either |
| 00:51.50 | vithos | bulkmail2 rocks |
| 00:52.24 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1764.new#new |
| 00:53.19 | dalhia | you may want to link to your post industrial ;) we see 'new posts' now. (though obviously, yours is the last one) |
| 00:53.57 | Industrial | .. what? |
| 00:54.06 | dalhia | nvm ;) |
| 00:54.53 | Industrial | yes I just linked my post. there may be people here that want to comment on it on IRC. |
| 00:55.08 | dalhia | you link the topic to us with the 'show new posts' flag |
| 00:55.28 | Ellipsis | that link will take each person to the first post they haven't read in the thread |
| 00:55.34 | Ellipsis | ~fail Industrial |
| 00:55.43 | purl | Industrial: Fail. |
| 00:55.43 | Industrial | ffs |
| 00:55.44 | dalhia | linking your post would be : http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1764.msg156796#msg156796 |
| 00:55.44 | Industrial | ~fail forum software |
| 00:55.44 | purl | forum software: Fail. |
| 00:55.50 | Industrial | it linked me there. |
| 00:56.03 | Toadkiller | Uhm I think Postal is superior to CT. It has shortcut keys to return or auto open mail, popup list of contacts for send to as well as 15 name memory of last mailed via arrow keys, + it remembers last person sent to etc. |
| 00:56.09 | dalhia | ofc, you just posted, its assuming you read everything before that |
| 00:56.31 | Xuerian_Alt | Who maintains Cartographer_Mining? 0_o |
| 00:56.51 | dalhia | now, what font is that? getting bored of my current one |
| 00:57.06 | Ellipsis | Industrial: yuo has a default UF =[ |
| 00:57.06 | Industrial | its still not right (imo). it should send me to the last post. not to " oh whate ver I dont care anymore. |
| 00:57.14 | Ellipsis | lol, ilu |
| 00:57.36 | Industrial | yes I does :3 oUF_Industrial bored me |
| 00:58.05 | Ellipsis | </3 |
| 00:58.23 | Industrial | well |
| 00:58.24 | Industrial | um |
| 00:58.28 | Industrial | nuh! |
| 00:59.20 | |Stan| | Xuerian: no-one :/ |
| 00:59.39 | Xuerian | stan: I'll feel free to tryan patch it for enUS then, at least... |
| 01:01.23 | [KzM]Fatalis | if i update without externals using WAU and auto dep download, then uninstall the addon from WAU, will it check iff the external is being used be another addon, and if not delete it? |
| 01:01.30 | xyu` | hmm, anyone know what "Glow" around someone could break stealth? |
| 01:01.40 | xyu` | is it a profession thing? like an engineering item? |
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| 01:02.02 | xyu` | it's like on the ground |
| 01:02.07 | Xuerian | [KzM]Fatalis: I believe you have to do a cleanup after you uninstall it for it to do that |
| 01:02.18 | Xuerian | xyu`: Could be one of the old poison vial type things |
| 01:02.22 | Ellipsis | engineering flares? |
| 01:02.23 | [KzM]Fatalis | manually check and delete? |
| 01:02.31 | [KzM]Fatalis | of is there a function on the updater |
| 01:02.34 | [KzM]Fatalis | or is* |
| 01:02.41 | Xuerian | [KzM]Fatalis: it's a function of. It's in the menu somewhere |
| 01:02.50 | [KzM]Fatalis | ok thanks |
| 01:03.09 | Gngsk | xyu`, oil of immolation? |
| 01:03.22 | xyu` | does perception have a glow when popped? |
| 01:03.31 | xyu` | i dont think it breaks the stealth they're just able to see |
| 01:03.39 | CIA-7 | 03starlon * r54301 10DebuffAlarm/ (DebuffAlarm.toc Localization_deDE.lua): |
| 01:03.39 | CIA-7 | DebuffAlarm: |
| 01:03.39 | CIA-7 | - Added deDE locale, thanks to affenboi |
| 01:03.45 | Gngsk | looks like mage's pressence of mind doesn't it? |
| 01:04.15 | Ellipsis | perception has a tiny little glow |
| 01:04.18 | Ellipsis | barely visible |
| 01:06.15 | Neebler | http://www.cinemastrikesback.com/news/daily/office-space-1000-1.jpg |
| 01:08.56 | Kemayo | Lukian: You pinged me earlier? |
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| 01:11.28 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1764.msg156796#msg156796 |
| 01:11.33 | Industrial | Ellipsis: ^ |
| 01:11.52 | Lukian | Kemayo, yeah ToFu was showing Ariena Stormfeather in Burning Steppes on cartographer |
| 01:12.11 | Lukian | but it disappeared when I explored the area |
| 01:12.34 | Kemayo | Weird. |
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| 01:12.50 | Lukian | I was all like "there's no flight master here!" |
| 01:13.00 | CIA-7 | 03yleaf * r54302 10GridStatusRaidIcons/ (GridStatusRaidIcons.toc GridStatusRaidIconsLocal-zhCN.lua): GridStatusRaidIcons: add zhCN translation |
| 01:13.08 | Kemayo | Could be that it was a note from long, long ago, and cartographer's note format changed since then? |
| 01:13.25 | Kemayo | I've seen that happen to old Cartographer_Notes stuff. |
| 01:13.45 | Lukian | it 'overlapped' with two other notes if that helps |
| 01:13.50 | Lukian | that's possible I guess |
| 01:14.27 | Ellipsis | Industrial: yuor babiez, I must have them |
| 01:15.11 | Lukian | Kemayo, I'll send you a screenie cause it's interesting |
| 01:15.23 | Lukian | perhaps it's actually a cart_something bug |
| 01:15.54 | Industrial | Ellipsis: ^^ |
| 01:16.01 | Kemayo | Lukian: It's either a cart_ bug or I did something weird when first creating that note. I'm not sure which. |
| 01:16.19 | Lukian | http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7963/wowscrnshot111107000743lw9.jpg |
| 01:16.50 | Kemayo | Huh, interesting. That's about where she would be in Redridge. |
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| 01:17.11 | Lukian | indeed, and the distance is probably correct |
| 01:17.17 | Lukian | but why is it showing in BS? |
| 01:17.19 | Lukian | hehe |
| 01:17.41 | Kemayo | Given that it's getting the distance probably-right, I think it has to be a Cartographer bug. Somehow. |
| 01:18.40 | Kemayo | Lukian: I note that you're using BankStack -- have you seen any problems with it leaving gaps when you sort a bag? |
| 01:19.04 | Lukian | I only use compress, if that's relevant? |
| 01:19.26 | Lukian | (and the stack to feature) |
| 01:19.31 | Kemayo | Nah, not relevant. I'm trying to reproduce a bug that vhaarr reported, with little luck. I was hoping to find someone else who'd seen the problem. |
| 01:20.17 | Lukian | I don't particularly like addons rearranging my bags, which is why I can't stand mr.plow :D |
| 01:20.32 | Kemayo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.39 | Lukian | or stand any mod which which "one bags" me |
| 01:21.15 | Wobin | wot? |
| 01:22.01 | Wobin | Just because Lukian is OCD doesn't bother me =P |
| 01:22.08 | Kemayo | I find I can't live without onebag. Thus the sorting features are very nice. |
| 01:22.29 | Wobin | I agree |
| 01:22.37 | Wobin | On the one hand, I use Baggins |
| 01:22.53 | Kemayo | I tried baggins for a bit. I couldn't quite get used to it. |
| 01:23.00 | Wobin | on the other, OneBag is still effective |
| 01:23.15 | Wobin | and watching MrPlow sort is just cool now |
| 01:23.29 | CIA-7 | 03paene * r54303 10Cryolysis2/Cryolysis2.lua: |
| 01:23.29 | CIA-7 | Cryolysis2: |
| 01:23.29 | CIA-7 | -Silly Horde players, you can't teleport/portal to Ironforge! |
| 01:23.49 | Ellipsis | no wai |
| 01:23.54 | Paene | hehe |
| 01:24.05 | Paene | I call that a typo |
| 01:24.23 | Xuerian | vhaarr: Ping |
| 01:24.37 | Kemayo | Wobin: Yeah, the "THUNK" is fun. |
| 01:25.37 | vhaarr | Xuerian: pong, TTL=2 minutes |
| 01:25.39 | xerawx | man, going back to alliance lowbie BGs is downright painful |
| 01:26.01 | xerawx | after being used to teammates actually understanding basic strategy |
| 01:26.10 | xerawx | and speaking some semblance of english |
| 01:27.14 | Xuerian | vhaarr: I'm confused as to how your change to Cartographer_Mining works, that one that's supposed to correct some localization error. I'm enUS, and I put a few enter/exit argument dumps to Registerore and SetNote. I tap a Rich Thorium vein, it enters and exits RegisterOre as "Rich Thorium Vein". It enters SetNote as "Rich Thorium Vein" and exits "Small Thorium Vein". This is more pointing out my confusion, as I'm still trying to figure |
| 01:28.10 | Ellipsis | wall of text crits you for 3286 |
| 01:28.29 | Xuerian | Ellipsis: You die. |
| 01:28.40 | Ellipsis | my items suffer a 10% durability loss |
| 01:28.45 | Ellipsis | =[ |
| 01:28.52 | Wobin | You lose 10% brain durability. |
| 01:29.00 | Kemayo | Wobin: If only an efficient solution to the shift-everything-down-by-one move pattern was within reach of my brain... |
| 01:29.18 | Wobin | Kemayo: Shift every second item |
| 01:29.35 | vhaarr | Xuerian: okay, I'm heading to bed here it's way too late for me to answer that question |
| 01:29.47 | Xuerian | vhaarr: Fair enough |
| 01:30.02 | Wobin | MrPlow appears to deal with that fairly well now |
| 01:30.22 | Wobin | fairly automatically, for some reason =) |
| 01:30.29 | Kemayo | Hm, I'll have to think of a way to incorporate that into my movelist solution. |
| 01:30.56 | Wobin | It's more in the way it determines 'correct positioning' I guess. |
| 01:32.06 | Wobin | Logicwise it's: Sort the entire inventory, move first item into the correct place, record that slot as being moved and the slot it moved from as being moved. check next slot, place it in the second position if either slot hasn't been moved this iteration |
| 01:32.07 | Wobin | repeat |
| 01:32.30 | Wobin | That way, it moves at least half the correct items into place every iteration |
| 01:33.10 | Wobin | of course the moves themselves occur with coroutines =\ |
| 01:33.26 | Wobin | which make it insanely fast, as it doesn't wait for bag_update events like it used to |
| 01:33.46 | Wobin | however I suspect I'm running into issues with the main bankbag |
| 01:34.00 | Kemayo | Things aren't winding up where they're supposed to? |
| 01:34.02 | Wobin | and getiteminfo not updating their position correctly |
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| 01:44.14 | CIA-7 | 03paene * r54304 10Cryolysis2/Cryolysis2.lua: |
| 01:44.14 | CIA-7 | Cryolysis2: |
| 01:44.14 | CIA-7 | -Added the ability to make each menu grow left instead of right |
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| 01:46.49 | Daemoen | Good evening all. |
| 01:47.05 | Daemoen | Anyone know of an Aced addon similar to ratings buster? |
| 01:48.43 | Kemayo | RatingBuster is Ace2. |
| 01:49.09 | Kemayo | Glad we could help. |
| 01:49.48 | Kemayo | I checked the code before answering to make sure I was right. It's definitely using Ace2. |
| 01:49.54 | Daemoen | sweet |
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| 01:51.24 | kebinusan | its just not kept on the svn |
| 01:51.58 | clad|sleep | Wobin: Iriel came up with the embedded "white paper" based on my request for a robust system to handle embedded libraries. |
| 01:52.25 | clad|sleep | I wrote StickyFrames, and yes.. if that code is being used, I would appreciate credit as such, not that toadkiller is here anymore. |
| 01:52.37 | Wobin | He originally had that credit in there |
| 01:52.51 | Wobin | although it was a bit "(cladhaire?)" ish |
| 01:53.05 | clad|sleep | aye |
| 01:53.10 | clad|sleep | just clarifying. |
| 01:53.19 | clad|sleep | since there was confusion |
| 01:53.19 | Wobin | I think he knows to clarify it now |
| 01:53.28 | clad|sleep | hopefully he also knows I'm not Iriel |
| 01:53.37 | Wobin | I get you two confused a lot |
| 01:54.09 | Wobin | Or rather, the further back the projects are, the more it all blurs for me |
| 01:54.29 | Wobin | back in the heady days of pioneer addon development =P |
| 01:55.34 | tinyboom | Paene: thanks for that last commit. mana gems where annoying me:p |
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| 02:07.35 | Scorpion_Script | hi |
| 02:07.51 | Scorpion_Script | vhaarr grabs his gun and he shoots on the fbi agents but fbi agent Scorpion_Script shooted back and killed vhaarr |
| 02:07.56 | Scorpion_Script | ghgh xD |
| 02:08.35 | Ra1d3n | lol your english is hillarious |
| 02:09.10 | CIA-7 | 03kemayo * r54305 10BankStack/ (core.lua sort.lua): BankStack: Integrate sort_movelist into the sorter, which helps with down-by-one shifts. (It's still falling down on moving a blank through long runs of the same object, though.) |
| 02:09.35 | Kemayo | kebinusan: There's a copy of RatingBuster on the svn... |
| 02:10.54 | kebinusan | oh hm, I must have typed it wrong |
| 02:11.13 | CIA-7 | 03kemayo * r54306 10BankStack/sort.lua: BankStack: Ooops, remove debug print. |
| 02:14.57 | Dezzi | is there a way to increase the tolerance for herbalism/mining double nodes in cartographer |
| 02:15.14 | Dezzi | sometimes I pick the same herb and it creates a second node almost on top of the old one |
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| 02:18.27 | kebinusan | Ouch Arenajunkies is saying something like 40% teams will be marked inactive |
| 02:19.21 | Paene | tinyboom: np :) |
| 02:19.35 | Industrial | ding 57 |
| 02:19.47 | Funkeh` | fuck you |
| 02:19.55 | Funkeh` | 47 nearly 48 :( |
| 02:19.59 | Industrial | >:) |
| 02:20.13 | Funkeh` | 1 more level till outland for ya |
| 02:20.24 | Industrial | YES |
| 02:20.27 | Funkeh` | ;p |
| 02:20.29 | Industrial | the countdown has begun |
| 02:20.33 | Industrial | dun dun DUNNN |
| 02:20.38 | Funkeh` | at least I get to experience 2.3 increased xp! |
| 02:20.41 | CIA-7 | 03yleaf * r54307 10GridManaBars/ (GMBLocale-zhCN.lua GridManaBars.toc): GridManaBars: add zhCN translation |
| 02:21.11 | Industrial | oh I will too |
| 02:21.20 | Industrial | I have like 50 chars lmao |
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| 02:21.38 | Industrial | anyway, I need to grind out 200k xp |
| 02:21.54 | Industrial | wich is roughly 700-800 yellow mobs |
| 02:22.04 | Industrial | :-( |
| 02:22.35 | Kemayo | Industrial: I had good luck just grinding in EPL/Winterspring for that level. |
| 02:22.49 | Industrial | im in EPL now |
| 02:23.33 | NightHawkTheSane | epl/winterspring/silithus are all really nice |
| 02:25.42 | Kemayo | Silithus actually has a decent quest density, too. |
| 02:25.58 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 02:26.49 | Kemayo | Also, if you want to get 300 cooking then the dredge striders there are about the easist way to do it... |
| 02:29.30 | Aeyan | Grind? Pfft. |
| 02:29.56 | NightHawkTheSane | sure, i grind your mom all the time. |
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| 02:43.28 | CIA-7 | 03yleaf * r54308 10GridStatusHots/GridStatusHots.lua: GridStatusHots: fix zhCN locale |
| 02:45.34 | NightHawkTheSane | "its like that old video game, asteroids." "Whatever works for you." "... I was terrible at asteroids." |
| 02:46.36 | CIA-7 | 03yleaf * r54309 10GridStatusHealingReduced/ (GridStatusHealingReduced.toc Locale-zhCN.lua): GridStatusHealingReduced: add zhCN translation |
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| 02:47.17 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSane: SGA :D |
| 02:47.22 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed :) |
| 02:47.25 | Industrial | damn wtf is this respawn rate |
| 02:47.43 | Industrial | corin's crossing |
| 02:48.05 | Industrial | i battled like 10 mobs cause they kept respawning then I died :( |
| 02:51.23 | xyu` | that's like my battle for the herb in SMV down the path of conquest |
| 02:51.26 | xyu` | guarded by 4 mobs |
| 02:51.36 | xyu` | it's easy for a normal person, but a holy pally...wasn't so easy |
| 02:51.45 | xyu` | by the time i got the 2nd one down i'd have 2 calvery on me too |
| 02:51.53 | xyu` | and then theyd' demount and i'd have to kill their birds as well |
| 02:52.07 | xyu` | by the time i get the 2nd bird down theyr'e respawning |
| 02:52.47 | Hotphoenix | its quicker to skip those nodes tbh |
| 02:52.53 | xyu` | yeah :/ |
| 02:52.57 | xyu` | now i always skip it |
| 02:53.00 | xyu` | but it's always up! |
| 02:53.04 | xyu` | it's a nethervine |
| 02:53.14 | xyu` | or wahtever |
| 02:55.36 | NightHawkTheSane | "Your just going to have to trust me, doc." "Trust me as far as I can throw you, actually." |
| 02:56.32 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 03:00.57 | Gnarfoz | sg:a, again |
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| 03:05.37 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 03:09.44 | Fin | hey, so, can anyone give me some tips about resilience gear I can get? I'm a priest, mostly healy but I respec quite often for PvP (I play Arena as healy tho) |
| 03:09.55 | Fin | is there any particular items to go for? |
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| 03:14.23 | Ellipsis | hm...does Blizz ever take action against chars just for staying logged in too long? |
| 03:14.34 | NightHawkTheSane | not that i'm aware |
| 03:15.16 | Ellipsis | even if they don't respond to a GM tell? |
| 03:15.46 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* to be Honest, I don't know. |
| 03:15.50 | Ellipsis | hmm |
| 03:15.54 | Xuerian | Alright, any objections to me removing rare node spawn checking from Cartographer_Mining? It's causing all nodes that have rare spawns to replace all nodes that can be rare spawns |
| 03:15.57 | NightHawkTheSane | But I would assume if you're not doing anything wrong, or suspicious, i don't see why they would |
| 03:16.04 | NightHawkTheSane | there's no rule, that i'm aware of, about being logged in and afk |
| 03:16.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: tbh, do the same to cart_herb, too, or whatever magic will make it stop putting fireweed (or whatever) on the same spots as ragveil |
| 03:16.53 | Ellipsis | right, but being logged in for more than a couple days straight would probably be "suspicious" |
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| 03:17.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Ellipsis: *shrug* i'm not blizzard, so, i couldn't say what they think. :) |
| 03:17.35 | Ellipsis | heh |
| 03:18.05 | Ellipsis | my guess is they'd just assume that it was using some kind of ToS-breaking automation to prevent the afk logout :/ |
| 03:18.34 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: Do you know if herbs also share the node group quality of ore? (If one node in X nodes is spawned, all others will not be) |
| 03:18.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: I -think- so, but i couldn't say for sure |
| 03:19.17 | Xuerian | Alrighty |
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| 03:19.55 | NightHawkTheSane | mostly, it's just me being annoyed that practically every ragveil spawn point in zangar has like two nodes on it. :P |
| 03:20.41 | kenlyric | Xuerian: yes, they do. |
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| 03:22.41 | Industrial | eep |
| 03:22.43 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: I think what I'm doing will actually cause that to happen. Is Ragveil a rare spawn of Fireweed, or is it the other way around? |
| 03:22.52 | NightHawkTheSane | the other way around |
| 03:23.18 | Xuerian | And you're annoyed that it shows both a Fireweed and a Ragveil? |
| 03:23.21 | NightHawkTheSane | And it's "Flame Cap" to be sure |
| 03:23.24 | kebinusan | estits flamecap but yeh |
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| 03:23.32 | CIA-7 | UnitActionBars: |
| 03:23.32 | CIA-7 | - Lots of updates/fixes for stance issues, performance issues, and "Direct Activate" support. |
| 03:23.59 | NightHawkTheSane | But yeah, Ragveil is the common spawn, which will rarely spawn as Flame Caps, and in cart_data, basically it's got two nodes on the same spot, one for each |
| 03:24.32 | kebinusan | you can just filter out ragveil or flame cap |
| 03:24.41 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: Are there unique spawn points for Ragveil, as in, they are the common spawn at that point? |
| 03:24.50 | NightHawkTheSane | when recording the node, i've noticed cart will either one with the other, or if you're standing weirdly, make two nodes. |
| 03:25.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: er, I'd assume so? |
| 03:25.17 | kenlyric | rare spawn stuff really shouldn't show if it's a rare spawn on something else. |
| 03:25.41 | kenlyric | though I remember having the same beef with gatherer, so maybe it's harder than it sounds. |
| 03:26.21 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: Then that raises a problem. _Mining/_Herb are both only handed the object type when Talismonger alerts them to a node being activated. It doesn't say which is a base spawn for the point, and which isn't. This would be fine if certain nodes were always rare spawns.... |
| 03:27.11 | Xuerian | But since, for example, Rich Thorium Vein can be a rare node as well as a common node (Or Raveveil in your case), we only know that it can be a rare spawn. With the current system in Mining, all spawns will be the lowest common |
| 03:27.12 | kenlyric | only black lotus, afaik, is a rare spawn that has its own spawn points. |
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| 03:27.46 | CIA-7 | - Some additional files missed on last checkin, and a slight change for reapplying point settings for activator frame control objects. |
| 03:27.50 | kenlyric | rich thorium shares spawn points with small thorium? i wasn't aware of that. |
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| 03:28.29 | Xuerian | kenlyric: Someone thought it does. But the problem works with anything that actually does that, whether it does or not |
| 03:28.52 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm |
| 03:29.08 | Xuerian | If I were to write a weighting system, that would be a reasonable way to do it. It would, however, inflate the database a bit. |
| 03:29.14 | kenlyric | well, it either does or it doesn't... it's not random one way or the other. |
| 03:29.37 | kenlyric | it wouldn't be simple to just say "when flame cap,make ragveil"? |
| 03:29.54 | kenlyric | the one that's harder is khorium. |
| 03:30.00 | kenlyric | since it can be anything. |
| 03:30.59 | kenlyric | I just loaded the external db pulled from wowhead and disabled all the rares. |
| 03:31.09 | Xuerian | kenlyric: Then take Rageveil and Flame Cap. How would you go about denoting Flame Cap as the rare spawn when you find a node that overlaps one you already have, if it can be the common node in other places? |
| 03:31.15 | Ellipsis | when khorium, don't make a note if there's already one within X yards? |
| 03:31.21 | NightHawkTheSane | if we're ignoring things like cart_data, and assuming all nodes are actually gathered, the simplest solution seems to be give nodes a priority, from most common to least common, and if it records a new node type in a location where there's an existing node, it just takes the most common |
| 03:31.36 | kenlyric | Xuerian: you don't denote flame cap at all. |
| 03:31.38 | kenlyric | you can't |
| 03:31.42 | kenlyric | i mean, you shouldn't |
| 03:31.58 | kenlyric | flame cap can't be hunted in predictable spawns. ragveil can. |
| 03:32.29 | NightHawkTheSane | cart_data could probably perform that logic upon collating its data, actually |
| 03:32.47 | kenlyric | Ellipsis: the point is you can't really make a note for khorium at all, since you don't know what is suppose to spawn there. |
| 03:32.47 | Xuerian | kenlyric: Perhaps the problem is that I am trying to determine if it is actually possible for any mining/herb node to be both a rare spawn and a common spawn, as this kind of determines what the problem actually is/was in _Mining |
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| 03:33.21 | kenlyric | Xuerian: I guess I don't understand what you mean by "both rare spawn and common spawn" |
| 03:34.00 | Xuerian | kenlyric: Ok. This is theoretical: In Zangarmarsh, Rageveil is the "Common Spawn" at any node where it spawns. |
| 03:34.07 | kenlyric | yes. |
| 03:34.09 | Xuerian | kenlyric: However, Flame Cap can spawn at that node too |
| 03:34.25 | Xuerian | But... In Nagrand, Flame Cap is the "Common Spawn" at certain nodes |
| 03:34.36 | kenlyric | oh. |
| 03:34.37 | kenlyric | icky |
| 03:34.42 | kenlyric | I did not know this. |
| 03:34.49 | kenlyric | naughty blizzard |
| 03:34.50 | Xuerian | That's my question, is there any node that does this? |
| 03:34.54 | Xuerian | If there isn't, it isn't a problem |
| 03:34.55 | kebinusan | I didnt think flame cap spawned anywhere but zang |
| 03:35.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: out of curiosity, what was wrong with my solution? wouldn't it naturally handle that? |
| 03:35.01 | kebinusan | guess I never bothered to look either |
| 03:35.02 | Xuerian | Obviously, someone thought Rich Thorium Vein did that |
| 03:35.08 | NightHawkTheSane | kebinusan: it doesn't, it was a hypothetical |
| 03:35.18 | kebinusan | ok, I should learn to read |
| 03:35.18 | NightHawkTheSane | more relating to rich thorium as the most possible candidate, really |
| 03:35.22 | kenlyric | wowhead only shows flame cap in zang |
| 03:35.32 | kebinusan | back to lurking |
| 03:35.35 | kenlyric | oh. |
| 03:35.37 | NightHawkTheSane | yeesh, keep up people, it was hypothetical :P |
| 03:35.38 | kenlyric | i can't read either. |
| 03:35.58 | kenlyric | but blizzard doesn't do that, so why would we need that hypothetical? |
| 03:36.06 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: I don't think anything is wrong with your solution, per se, but look at the question I'm posing. To make a solution I need to know the answer to it |
| 03:36.18 | Xuerian | (Or to impliment yours, I need to be sure of it) |
| 03:36.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: *nod* |
| 03:36.22 | Xuerian | kenlyric: That was my question |
| 03:36.35 | Xuerian | If blizzard doesn't do that, I can rip out this weird-ass thing in _mining that has me all confused |
| 03:36.39 | NightHawkTheSane | to my knowledge, I'm not actually aware of any situation like that |
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| 03:37.12 | kenlyric | I can't see a problem with that. |
| 03:37.15 | Xuerian | So if something is a rare spawn, it'll always be a rare spawn? |
| 03:37.20 | kenlyric | if it's jumping through hoops the game doesn't require. |
| 03:37.25 | NightHawkTheSane | as far as I'm aware, yes. |
| 03:37.30 | kenlyric | so far, yes. |
| 03:37.31 | NightHawkTheSane | but I can't say that with any kind of certainty or authority |
| 03:37.57 | Xuerian | Alrighty. |
| 03:38.40 | kenlyric | blizzard might change what it spawns on. Or they might turn it into a common spawn, but I can't imagine they'd ever make it both. |
| 03:38.51 | kenlyric | though, I wonder if cart handles black lotus in outlands at all, or just ignores them. |
| 03:39.15 | kenlyric | it fires off the node name, not the loot name, right? |
| 03:39.36 | Xuerian | Talismonger does, yes |
| 03:40.54 | NightHawkTheSane | is there black lotus in outland at all? |
| 03:41.08 | kenlyric | so you could add logic (probably in cart_mining) that says "if silver, mark as tin". |
| 03:41.21 | kenlyric | which would be useful for every rare spawn I can think of except khorium. |
| 03:41.37 | kenlyric | NightHawkTheSane: you get it randomly when you pick other flowers. |
| 03:41.42 | kenlyric | just like the fel blossom thing. |
| 03:41.44 | NightHawkTheSane | black lotus? |
| 03:41.46 | NightHawkTheSane | you mean fel lotus |
| 03:41.47 | kenlyric | yes |
| 03:41.52 | kenlyric | no, black lotus |
| 03:42.00 | kenlyric | I'm maybe not sure at all. |
| 03:42.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i've never gotten a black lotus, ever, in outland. |
| 03:42.06 | kenlyric | swear that was a recent change. |
| 03:42.28 | Xuerian | kenlyric: It already does that, actually. But the problem is, things like Rich Thorium Veins were marked as rare spawns (for Small Thorium Vein, in this case) |
| 03:42.40 | kenlyric | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=13468#gathered-from-npc |
| 03:42.44 | NightHawkTheSane | also, putting in commonality levels, even just "common" or "rare", would handle any rare spawn implicitly, even if it wasn't consistent on which common nodes it spawned on |
| 03:42.59 | NightHawkTheSane | but that may be more work than necessary |
| 03:43.00 | kenlyric | guess you just get them from herb-skinning |
| 03:43.08 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 03:43.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i know you can get them from herbing the elite trees in skettis |
| 03:45.29 | kenlyric | I think they added them to the loot list of the normal bog mobs in zang in 2.2, but can't find it in the patch notes. |
| 03:45.54 | kenlyric | I swear reading something about that, but of course I can't find it now. |
| 03:46.18 | kenlyric | Xuerian: I don't know about the Rich thorium vein thing. Maybe they used to be rare spawns for small? |
| 03:47.21 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: The way it's done in _Mining, is there is a table of rare spawns, keyed by the rare node itself. eg, ["Dark Iron Deposit"] = { "Mithril Deposit", "Small Thorium Vein", "Rich Thorium Vein" }. When SetNote is called, it checks for existing nodes. If it finds a existing node, it checks if it is in the rare list. If it is in the rare list, it checks if the existing node is one of the listed "rare spawn of" nodes. If it is, |
| 03:47.21 | Xuerian | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.26 | Xuerian | kenlyric: They listed Rich Thorium Veins as a rare spawn of Small Thorium Veins. I'm starting to think that the entire problem simpler; that they've miss-labeled some as rare that are not |
| 03:49.04 | NightHawkTheSane | that seems the most likely |
| 03:49.16 | Xuerian | Hopefully, then, you can see my confusion >.o |
| 03:49.27 | NightHawkTheSane | It seems silly for blizzard to go through all the trouble of doing that. |
| 03:49.29 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. :P |
| 03:49.59 | kenlyric | strange |
| 03:50.06 | Xuerian | Well then, as it stands, I'll remove Rich Thorium from the list and read over it with more attention, seeing if that fixes it. If it does, with some help, I could do the same thing for Herbalism. |
| 03:50.39 | Xuerian | There have been complaints about it doing this for a while on the forums, no one really does anything =X |
| 03:50.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i think ragveil/flame cap is the only instance of that for herbalism |
| 03:51.05 | kenlyric | wowhead comments say gold can spawn on iron or mithril. I wonder if that's just anecdotal from places where the two nodes tend to spawn close to each other. |
| 03:52.29 | Xuerian | kenlyric: The way it seems to work is there are set spawn points. Each spawn point spawns one base item, and possibly a rare item. If it spawns the rare, it is in place of the common. Perhaps more accurately, I'm HOPING this is the way it is, as it removes the complications I was originally trying to deal with |
| 03:52.54 | kenlyric | of course, it's also possible that blizzard doesn't make every spawn in a spawn group capable of spawning the rare. |
| 03:54.13 | Xuerian | Well, we'll just hope it isn't |
| 03:54.59 | NightHawkTheSane | if i were the dev, i wouldn't have singled out any one node in a spawn group |
| 03:55.25 | kenlyric | apparently you can't make a 1-to-1 rare spawn comparison. silver definitelys eems to come from iron and tin both. |
| 03:55.31 | kenlyric | or wowhead is getting some very wrong data. |
| 03:56.11 | kenlyric | silver http://www.wowhead.com/?object=1733 vs tin http://www.wowhead.com/?object=1732 |
| 03:56.53 | kenlyric | vs iron http://www.wowhead.com/?object=1735 |
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| 03:57.49 | Xuerian | kenlyric: The important thing is that there are no places you want to intentionally display silver, since it always spawns on one of those common nodes |
| 03:57.59 | Xuerian | (+/- a couple meters) |
| 03:58.36 | kenlyric | right. |
| 03:59.02 | kenlyric | but just saying you wouldn't want something to work in reverse, marking it as a tin vein when it finds silver. |
| 03:59.06 | kenlyric | but would you want to ignore it? |
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| 04:00.00 | CIA-7 | Cartographer_Mining: |
| 04:00.00 | CIA-7 | - Following a lengthy discussion in IRC, Rich Thorium is never actually a rare spawn. At least, it isn't primarily a rare spawn. |
| 04:00.46 | kenlyric | it appears the only rares which absolutely come from a single common are flame cap from ragveil and rich adamantite from adamantite. |
| 04:01.22 | Xuerian | kenlyric: So there aren't nodes that are usually Rich Adamantite? |
| 04:01.35 | Xuerian | (Haven't gotten my mining up that far...) |
| 04:01.48 | kenlyric | no. |
| 04:01.53 | Xuerian | Ah |
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| 04:03.07 | Xuerian | Back to farming for now >.o |
| 04:03.14 | kenlyric | rich adamantite doesn't appear to ever spawn in BEM |
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| 04:04.52 | kenlyric | so am I thinking about early level paladins too hard? should I be judging crusader and sealing rightiousness on every mob? |
| 04:05.02 | NightHawkTheSane | how early level? |
| 04:05.19 | kenlyric | seven :) |
| 04:05.23 | NightHawkTheSane | then yes. :P |
| 04:05.34 | kenlyric | but later I just switch to another seal. |
| 04:05.36 | kenlyric | it's just a lot of work. |
| 04:05.45 | NightHawkTheSane | it's a good damage increase, but arguably, pre-20ish, its probably a bit more mana intensive for the damage output |
| 04:05.50 | NightHawkTheSane | compared to just keeping SoR up |
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| 04:06.29 | Lothaer | G'Day |
| 04:06.31 | NightHawkTheSane | dammit, i really want to level a pally now. >< few people in my guild and you all talking about it |
| 04:06.48 | kenlyric | and at 20 what, command? |
| 04:06.58 | NightHawkTheSane | depends on spec, really |
| 04:07.05 | blay | ret |
| 04:07.16 | kenlyric | well, typically i've gone ret, but I know now I'll go prot around 35-40 |
| 04:07.17 | NightHawkTheSane | if you've got SoCo by then, thats probably your best damage increase |
| 04:07.40 | Lothaer | any1 here use Dreamweaver CS3? |
| 04:07.41 | kenlyric | or might just go prot all the way for afk autoattack? |
| 04:07.52 | NightHawkTheSane | but my general point was that by about 20ish, the actual damage increase for mana spent makes judging crusader and using SoR a bit more worthwhile |
| 04:08.20 | kenlyric | desperately want seals in SSR |
| 04:08.23 | NightHawkTheSane | my friend put 10 points in holy for the healing pushback resistence, then went prot the rest of the way to 70, he said it worked well |
| 04:12.28 | kenlyric | I didn't know if I'd do that or just take imp concentration aura and switch to that when I need to heal. |
| 04:13.01 | kenlyric | though I could do both for 100% pushback reduction I guess. |
| 04:13.08 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 04:13.19 | NightHawkTheSane | well, with the holy talent you wouldn't need the imp talent |
| 04:14.30 | NightHawkTheSane | plus, you don't have to wait until you get conc aura to get some benefit |
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| 04:14.46 | NightHawkTheSane | though i really have no idea when pallies get conc aura |
| 04:15.03 | kenlyric | 22 |
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| 04:18.00 | CIA-7 | AtlasLoot_WorldLoot: |
| 04:18.00 | CIA-7 | - Updated toc to get ready for patch day on Tuesday |
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| 04:18.02 | CIA-7 | AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP: |
| 04:18.02 | CIA-7 | - Updated toc to get ready for patch day on Tuesday |
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| 04:18.08 | CIA-7 | AtlasLoot_RepFactions: |
| 04:18.08 | CIA-7 | - Updated toc to get ready for patch day on Tuesday |
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| 04:18.14 | CIA-7 | - Updated toc to get ready for patch day on Tuesday |
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| 04:18.18 | CIA-7 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
| 04:18.20 | CIA-7 | - Updated toc to get ready for patch day on Tuesday |
| 04:18.30 | NightHawkTheSane | people need to learn to commit all their changes at once |
| 04:19.09 | kenlyric | imp ret aura needs to be accessible from an aoe prot spec. |
| 04:19.22 | ulic | the svn rules say one commit per addon, but obviously there should be exceptions. |
| 04:19.37 | NightHawkTheSane | bah, thats a silly rule |
| 04:19.51 | Antiar1 | What's the new TOC? |
| 04:19.56 | Antiar1 | 23000? |
| 04:19.57 | kenlyric | doesn't pre-changing the toc break things? |
| 04:20.00 | ulic | 20300 |
| 04:20.01 | kenlyric | 20300 i'd imagine |
| 04:20.04 | Xuerian | No |
| 04:20.06 | Antiar1 | Doh, right |
| 04:20.11 | NightHawkTheSane | the only difference between one commit per file and one commit per group of files is how many times you bump the revision number |
| 04:20.28 | ulic | you could set it 20400 if you wanted and it should still work, just looks for lower numbers I believe. |
| 04:20.46 | CIA-7 | 03daviesh * r54319 10AtlasLoot/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 04:20.46 | CIA-7 | AtlasLoot: |
| 04:20.46 | CIA-7 | - Updated toc and release notes for patch day |
| 04:20.46 | CIA-7 | - Finalised Atlas 1.10.3 compatibility |
| 04:21.39 | Diao | sigh |
| 04:21.43 | Diao | blizzard's servers crash while we're in tk :( |
| 04:21.44 | Diao | gg |
| 04:21.58 | kadrahil | same for us |
| 04:21.58 | kenlyric | "increases all damage you deal while a one-handed weapon is equiped by 5%". That means "all damage", right, not just the damage I deal with the sword? |
| 04:21.59 | kadrahil | haha |
| 04:22.03 | kadrahil | half the raid got disconnected |
| 04:22.08 | Diao | yea same for us |
| 04:22.10 | kadrahil | so we called it before we even downed VR |
| 04:22.18 | Diao | half our raid dced while we were ON VR |
| 04:22.23 | kadrahil | worst VR raid i've ever been in |
| 04:22.24 | Diao | kinda killed our momentum |
| 04:22.27 | kadrahil | yeah that's actually what happened to us |
| 04:22.49 | ulic | yea the live auth servers are hosed, I've been trying to connect for like 10-15mins |
| 04:22.51 | NightHawkTheSane | kenlyric: hmm, that's a really good question, actually |
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| 04:23.09 | Diao | that is correct btw kenlyric |
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| 04:23.21 | Diao | all damage is increased while 1h weapons are equipped |
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| 04:23.38 | ulic | typically you should read everything as literally as possible for tooltips, don't make assumes, so if says all it should be all. |
| 04:23.44 | kenlyric | that weapon expertise talent at the top of prot seems kinda silly. |
| 04:23.50 | NightHawkTheSane | it'll be nicer in 2.3 |
| 04:23.52 | Lothaer | G'Day |
| 04:23.55 | Lothaer | ~titan |
| 04:24.05 | purl | Titan? Does that still exist? |
| 04:24.05 | kenlyric | god for tanking I guess? |
| 04:24.06 | Diao | it's amazing kenlyric |
| 04:24.09 | NightHawkTheSane | well, they're changing to give expertise, obviously |
| 04:24.11 | kenlyric | will reduce the dodge of my targets, right? |
| 04:24.16 | Diao | yes |
| 04:24.19 | Diao | reduces dodge and parry |
| 04:24.21 | NightHawkTheSane | plus it'll give 2% sta per point |
| 04:24.21 | Diao | the parry is the best part |
| 04:24.23 | kenlyric | Diao: not so useful for leveling right now. |
| 04:24.39 | Diao | because if the mob parries |
| 04:24.53 | Diao | it increases attack speed by 40% of the mob |
| 04:24.56 | Diao | so reducing its chance to parry |
| 04:25.00 | Diao | is awesome |
| 04:25.03 | NightHawkTheSane | well, reduces the time until the next attack by 40% |
| 04:25.17 | Diao | well |
| 04:25.18 | Diao | yeah |
| 04:25.21 | Diao | same thing imo |
| 04:25.26 | NightHawkTheSane | subtle difference :) |
| 04:25.52 | NightHawkTheSane | mostly semantic i suppose |
| 04:26.02 | kenlyric | oooh, I can get imp ret aura |
| 04:26.13 | Lothaer | soo whats the latest? |
| 04:27.30 | kadrahil | forums seem to be dead too |
| 04:27.33 | kadrahil | wait no |
| 04:29.03 | kenlyric | don't forget kids, if you have an midlevel alts close to the end of level, bump them up before tuesday. |
| 04:29.17 | Olison | whys that? |
| 04:29.30 | kadrahil | my highest alt is only halfway through 30 |
| 04:29.31 | kadrahil | hheh |
| 04:29.57 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm hoping i can grind off the rest of my rested xp and hit 44 on my druid before tuesday |
| 04:30.01 | kenlyric | you know, it made sense to me earlier. |
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| 04:30.22 | NightHawkTheSane | not that i have any idea why, really |
| 04:30.24 | kenlyric | but now I don't think it does. |
| 04:30.35 | kenlyric | yeah, it doesn't make any sense what I just said. Ignore me. |
| 04:30.43 | Lothaer | saveur rest until 2.3 |
| 04:30.51 | kenlyric | don't touch anybody until 2.3 :) |
| 04:31.05 | Lothaer | less XP required to level |
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| 04:31.16 | Lothaer | and u get more XP from quests |
| 04:31.47 | Lothaer | i worked it out 2.3 will require about 70,000 less XP to go from 1-70 than it does atm |
| 04:31.49 | kenlyric | you technically "lose" xp if you're close to the end of level, but it doesn't really matter, since the raw number needed to finish that level will be smaller than it was before. |
| 04:32.01 | yssaril | anyone else not able to log into wow and is stuck at authenticating? |
| 04:32.05 | kenlyric | is that all? |
| 04:32.26 | Lothaer | the lever requirement to go from 1-10 and 60-70 are the same |
| 04:32.26 | kenlyric | how much xp do we earn now? |
| 04:32.40 | Lothaer | its the 10-60 that has changed |
| 04:32.46 | kenlyric | really? |
| 04:32.49 | Lothaer | yup |
| 04:32.57 | Lothaer | alot less required |
| 04:33.11 | Lothaer | put it this way |
| 04:33.13 | kenlyric | I thought it was 20-60 is what the patch notes say. |
| 04:33.23 | Lothaer | what it takes you to get to lvl 54 atm will get you to lvl 58 in 2.3 |
| 04:33.31 | NightHawkTheSane | loth |
| 04:33.31 | Lothaer | nope |
| 04:33.34 | Lothaer | its not |
| 04:33.35 | kenlyric | pretty significant. |
| 04:33.36 | NightHawkTheSane | er, Lothaer: 20-60 actually |
| 04:33.40 | Lothaer | no its not |
| 04:33.45 | kenlyric | yes, it's what the patch notes say. |
| 04:33.56 | Lothaer | brb with proof |
| 04:33.57 | Ellipsis | and everyone knows patch notes are always accurate |
| 04:33.59 | kenlyric | unless they got updated tonight. |
| 04:34.08 | kenlyric | I didn't say patch notes were right. |
| 04:34.12 | kenlyric | I just said what the patch notes said :) |
| 04:34.19 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i was going off patch notes |
| 04:34.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i havn't seen proof to the contrary, so |
| 04:34.24 | kenlyric | and there's the whole giant increase to quest XP past 30. |
| 04:34.49 | NightHawkTheSane | WOO 834 ravage |
| 04:35.03 | kenlyric | turning murlocs into gnomes is the best thing gnomes have ever done. |
| 04:35.18 | NightHawkTheSane | what? |
| 04:35.32 | kenlyric | beer goggles |
| 04:35.37 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, right |
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| 04:35.46 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, horde side it's orcs |
| 04:35.47 | kenlyric | never hear the murloc sound again... |
| 04:37.02 | NightHawkTheSane | I think tonight's a night for twilight princess and sg:a |
| 04:37.05 | kadrahil | The Requirement for Heroic Keys has been lowered to Honored. |
| 04:37.07 | kadrahil | dude |
| 04:37.22 | Lothaer | go here http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:XP_To_Level |
| 04:37.38 | Lothaer | i got some of the requirements |
| 04:37.52 | Lothaer | had to goto the ptr and look for players of those levels |
| 04:38.00 | NightHawkTheSane | kadrahil: welcome to last week? |
| 04:38.12 | Lothaer | i only had to do like 3 of the higher end levels all the lower ones were already there |
| 04:38.12 | Gngsk | NightHawkTheSane, last week? more like last month. |
| 04:38.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Gngsk: true enough |
| 04:38.27 | kenlyric | they even say it there After patch 2.3 Blizzard will reduce the amount of experience needed each level by approximately 15% between levels 20 and 60. |
| 04:38.36 | kenlyric | so, the patch notes do still say 20-60 :) |
| 04:38.50 | Lothaer | read the requirements |
| 04:39.00 | kenlyric | I can see them. |
| 04:39.15 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, if you want to prove it to me, get me screenshots. ;) |
| 04:39.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm too lazy to do it myself |
| 04:39.22 | Lothaer | now 11 8800 2.3 11 8700 (-1.1%) |
| 04:39.36 | kenlyric | our disagreement wasn't that it was possibly 10-60. Our disagreement was about the patch notes. |
| 04:40.11 | Lothaer | patch notes are only a guideline |
| 04:40.34 | kenlyric | I know this. |
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| 04:51.13 | kenlyric | it's odd that they didn't reduce the xp reqs for 60-70. |
| 04:51.33 | Gngsk | no it's not |
| 04:51.36 | kenlyric | I guess it makes sense since they didn't change mob XP amounts 10-60 |
| 04:52.30 | Lothaer | well the 1st 10 levels are already a piece of piss |
| 04:52.33 | kenlyric | quest xp now scales fairly steadily now all the way through to 70. There's a slight jump in outlands, but it's much less pronounced. |
| 04:52.50 | NightHawkTheSane | kenlyric: 60-70 was already very good |
| 04:52.51 | Lothaer | i think my best 1-10 is about 90mins |
| 04:52.55 | kenlyric | the big jump now is in xp-to-level |
| 04:53.02 | kenlyric | it makes a much large jump now. |
| 04:53.50 | Lothaer | any1 here use Adobe Dreamweaver CS3? |
| 04:53.52 | kenlyric | NightHawkTheSane: right, but they've made 10-60 so much faster that it'll make 60-70 seem slower. |
| 04:54.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont think so |
| 04:54.06 | NightHawkTheSane | well... |
| 04:54.11 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, from a relativistic stand point |
| 04:54.27 | NightHawkTheSane | But i think for someone new to the game, who's never done 10-60 before, it'll feel much smoother |
| 04:54.35 | kenlyric | just upping the xp per quest would achieve an even level curve. by lowering the xp/level they speed up 10-60 quite a bit. |
| 04:54.48 | kenlyric | yeah, that's what I'm saying, they'll hit 60 and it will feel really sluggish. |
| 04:55.04 | NightHawkTheSane | er, i meant it'll feel smoother the entire way from 10-70 |
| 04:55.06 | kenlyric | it's already that way a bit since one level = 2 levels before 60. |
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| 04:57.23 | Lothaer | http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h10/lothaer/11kHeal.jpg my 11k heal... on a lock :) |
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| 04:59.30 | kenlyric | such great setting for that heal too... |
| 04:59.36 | Casey-^ | hello, just looking around for someone to chat with... I have a few pictures up at www.myspace.com/caseytinsley if you wanted to see. feel free to message me :) |
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| 05:00.20 | xerawx | lulz |
| 05:00.37 | Casey-^ | hello, just looking around for someone to chat with... I have a few pictures up at www.myspace.com/caseytinsley if you wanted to see. feel free to message me :) |
| 05:00.47 | `Zypher | lulz @ logon servers |
| 05:00.48 | xerawx | Casey-^: o rly? |
| 05:00.50 | Lothaer | meh i was testing out a macro and it worked :) |
| 05:00.55 | `Zypher | Casey-^: WTF? |
| 05:01.04 | kenlyric | cybered in wowace. |
| 05:01.05 | kenlyric | sweet. |
| 05:01.12 | `Zypher | rofl click it |
| 05:01.23 | kenlyric | I don't want the viruses! |
| 05:01.28 | xerawx | booo urns |
| 05:01.42 | `Zypher | i clicked |
| 05:01.49 | `Zypher | its not bad its some artist's myspace |
| 05:01.56 | `Zypher | linux = win for viruses |
| 05:02.11 | kenlyric | it's myspace. |
| 05:02.13 | kenlyric | it's a mental virus. |
| 05:02.21 | kenlyric | clicking it only makes it stronger. |
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| 05:02.27 | xerawx | its the cancer that is killing the intertubes |
| 05:02.37 | Diao | 7.5k noncrit greater heals o_o |
| 05:02.41 | Diao | how much +healing is that |
| 05:02.46 | `Zypher | rofl |
| 05:02.48 | Diao | oh PI |
| 05:02.53 | `Zypher | Intarweb not intertubes |
| 05:02.53 | Diao | but still |
| 05:03.25 | `Zypher | anyone from Korgath |
| 05:03.30 | `Zypher | wtf is wrong with the server |
| 05:03.36 | xerawx | i almost typed my wow password into irc :s |
| 05:03.38 | Gngsk | it's not korgath |
| 05:03.41 | xerawx | damn logon servers |
| 05:03.42 | kenlyric | just remember that when the internet becomes sentient, its personality will likely be taken from the largest communities. We passed through Usenet, IRC, and AOL. |
| 05:03.45 | kenlyric | and it just keeps getting worse. |
| 05:04.06 | `Zypher | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.12 | kenlyric | your password isn't korgath? |
| 05:04.19 | kenlyric | that probably means it's korgath |
| 05:04.24 | `Zypher | what? |
| 05:04.36 | xerawx | exactly |
| 05:04.40 | `Zypher | who would make their password a realm? |
| 05:04.41 | `Zypher | wtf |
| 05:04.53 | kadrahil | xerawx: i did that once |
| 05:04.56 | xerawx | probably a lot of wow passwords are stupid |
| 05:05.01 | xerawx | most passwords are |
| 05:05.11 | `Zypher | us.logon.worldofwarcraft.com right? |
| 05:05.12 | kenlyric | the same people that make their username their password. |
| 05:05.12 | kadrahil | my password is actually very secure |
| 05:05.18 | stavmar | what is the confidence that patch comes out on Tuesday to live realms? |
| 05:05.27 | `Zypher | high |
| 05:05.33 | stavmar | 90% |
| 05:05.36 | kenlyric | 100% barring Unforeseen Consequences |
| 05:06.11 | `Zypher | ^^ |
| 05:06.11 | `Zypher | i need new ZA loots |
| 05:06.11 | stavmar | lol kenlyric fair enough |
| 05:06.11 | Lothaer | ZA loots are kick ass |
| 05:06.11 | kenlyric | I never realized how annoying it was to have all the scientists in hl-1 have the exact same voice. |
| 05:06.12 | Lothaer | but blizzard got totally lazy on some of the graphics |
| 05:06.19 | kenlyric | Kleiners everywhere. |
| 05:06.19 | Lothaer | ie the 2 shields |
| 05:06.26 | `Zypher | screw the shields |
| 05:06.31 | `Zypher | i love troll-esc loot |
| 05:06.49 | kenlyric | though now I finally get the microwave joke the new doc gives in episode 2. |
| 05:07.00 | Lothaer | the Paladin shield is just the Aldori Legacy Defender graphic (i think im right) and the Tank shield is just the Aegis of the Blood God graphic |
| 05:07.05 | xerawx | the crazy plate bird mask whos name i forget rules |
| 05:07.14 | `Zypher | jw |
| 05:07.20 | `Zypher | how long the logon servers have been down |
| 05:07.34 | kenlyric | guess a while now. |
| 05:07.37 | Lothaer | Jinrhok loosk cool though huh |
| 05:07.46 | Xuerian | Wow players are as flies to a window |
| 05:07.57 | Lothaer | lol |
| 05:08.20 | kenlyric | Keep trying until you get through. |
| 05:08.36 | `Zypher | not worth it |
| 05:08.39 | Lothaer | if you dont go kill your self :( |
| 05:08.41 | `Zypher | ill just try and fix my vent |
| 05:08.42 | kenlyric | i meant the flies |
| 05:08.53 | `Zypher | time to re-compile alsa! |
| 05:08.54 | Lothaer | or use the new Hearthstone Soap ROFL |
| 05:08.54 | kenlyric | we really should squish flies that do that. |
| 05:09.01 | xerawx | gaia4god |
| 05:09.07 | kenlyric | we're not helping the species by rolling down our car windows. |
| 05:09.29 | Lothaer | Rolled up news paper? |
| 05:09.34 | Xuerian | Finger |
| 05:09.35 | RaydenUni | servers down? |
| 05:09.36 | Lothaer | WAM!!!! |
| 05:09.37 | Xuerian | Finger-lockin-good. |
| 05:09.45 | Xuerian | s/ock/ick/ |
| 05:09.47 | kenlyric | RaydenUni: only if you aren't on them |
| 05:09.47 | RaydenUni | i guess so |
| 05:10.01 | RaydenUni | was worried about not logging in |
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| 05:10.26 | Lothaer | how many men does it take to open a beer? |
| 05:10.49 | Gngsk | none? |
| 05:11.01 | Lothaer | none, it should be open byt he time the bitch brings it to you. |
| 05:11.16 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 05:11.45 | Lothaer | whats the difference between a blonde and the titanic? |
| 05:11.47 | Xuerian | Ahh... you're the one that came in here and asked about CS3 |
| 05:12.00 | Lothaer | yeah i did |
| 05:12.13 | Lothaer | Adobe Dreamweaver CS3 |
| 05:12.15 | Xuerian | Perhaps the lack of response should be a queue if I connect your recent messages to your first |
| 05:12.22 | Xuerian | er. que, even |
| 05:12.47 | Lothaer | k |
| 05:13.32 | Lothaer | well any the annswer is |
| 05:13.44 | Lothaer | we know how many people went down on the titanic |
| 05:14.54 | Xuerian | ~gag Lothaer |
| 05:14.55 | purl | ACTION takes away the voice of Lothaer and, as an additional precaution, sews Lothaer's mouth shut permanently... |
| 05:15.19 | kenlyric | we don't know how many people went down on the blond? |
| 05:15.34 | Lothaer | ill go get the shackles... |
| 05:16.00 | kenlyric | i'm thinking that joke is malformed if you the implication is she goes down on things. |
| 05:17.17 | Lothaer | we know how many people went down on the titan but we do not know how many people went down on the blonde. |
| 05:17.52 | kenlyric | there's all sorts of problems with that too. Is that a negative that she receives so much oral sex? |
| 05:18.03 | Lothaer | if you dont know what im implying then you are too young |
| 05:19.03 | Gnarfoz | you're just upside down |
| 05:19.05 | kenlyric | the implication seems clear to me. |
| 05:19.18 | kenlyric | it's just not a very good blond joke because it doesn't set the blond in a bad light. |
| 05:19.19 | Gnarfoz | which, seeing your hostmask, seems to fit perfectly :D |
| 05:19.25 | kenlyric | she gets lots of head. kudos to her. |
| 05:20.11 | Lothaer | well going down on donst only reffer to the giving or recieving of oral sex. |
| 05:20.28 | Antiar1 | What's the difference between your mom and the Smithsonian? |
| 05:20.33 | kenlyric | must be a regional thing. |
| 05:20.36 | kenlyric | that's all it means here. |
| 05:20.46 | Lothaer | <---- Australian |
| 05:20.59 | Antiar1 | Not everyone has been in the Smithsonian |
| 05:21.09 | kenlyric | what does it mean in australia? |
| 05:21.15 | Lothaer | i was in my mum |
| 05:21.16 | kenlyric | this might blow the whole thing open. |
| 05:21.21 | Lothaer | for 9 months |
| 05:21.42 | Lothaer | it can also mean "getting laid" but it more commonly means "giving head" |
| 05:21.58 | kenlyric | ok. |
| 05:22.11 | kenlyric | but the men went down on the titanic, not the titanic going down the men. |
| 05:22.15 | kenlyric | so it's just backwards. |
| 05:22.50 | Gnarfoz | booooring. |
| 05:22.51 | Lothaer | you really know how to take the fun out of a joke dont ya... |
| 05:23.04 | Lothaer | not everything has to make sence |
| 05:23.07 | Xuerian | Perhaps it's that you're in a developer's chatroom.... |
| 05:23.11 | Xuerian | We tend to pick things apart |
| 05:23.12 | Antiar1 | How do you tell if a tree druid is male or female? |
| 05:23.23 | Xuerian | Especially the unprepared crude jokester. |
| 05:23.26 | Antiar1 | You check 'em for nuts. |
| 05:23.29 | Lothaer | how? |
| 05:23.39 | Lothaer | rofl |
| 05:23.42 | Gnarfoz | are you nuts :> |
| 05:23.47 | Xuerian | See, there's a good sex joke that applies :D (lol) |
| 05:23.49 | kenlyric | the joke appears to be common, and you told it correctly. |
| 05:24.00 | Lothaer | yo mamma so fat it takes 2 warlocks to summon her. |
| 05:24.09 | Gnarfoz | no wai! |
| 05:24.43 | Lothaer | yo mamma so fat she got stuck in a portal to Ironforge |
| 05:25.35 | Lothaer | any1 know what a Australian Kiss is? |
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| 05:25.44 | kenlyric | Yo momma so fat she gotta use the portal gun to wipe her own ass. |
| 05:25.58 | Xuerian | Bahah |
| 05:25.58 | kenlyric | that one clearly needs to some work. |
| 05:26.21 | Lothaer | its just like a French kiss only... Down Under |
| 05:26.44 | Antiar1 | Is that a portal gun on the opposite wall, or are you just happy to see me? |
| 05:27.48 | Lothaer | well im hungry, gonna get some food ill catchya all later |
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| 05:44.41 | Orionshock | question - in an event handler , is it better to 'return somefunc()' or just call 'somefunc()' ? |
| 05:45.16 | Orionshock | http://ace.pastey.net/76940 |
| 05:48.55 | Antiar1 | When hooking, etc, I tend to prefer to return |
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| 05:57.38 | Orionshock | when u return it, that return closes the previous function out and then calls the new one? |
| 05:57.47 | Kerafyrm | anyone build a custom am2 x2 64 system lately? |
| 06:01.39 | Orionshock | hehe.. |
| 06:01.48 | Orionshock | anyone here familiar with slash command handlers? |
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| 06:11.05 | Orionshock | ahhh |
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| 06:11.47 | Orionshock | whats the regex for slash command handlers? more to the question how do i regex out an unknown number of strings seperated by a ',' ? |
| 06:15.09 | NightHawkTheSane | (([^,]+),)* |
| 06:15.25 | NightHawkTheSane | that could probably be better done, actually |
| 06:16.09 | Orionshock | ok what string.* function do u use ? :\ |
| 06:16.55 | NightHawkTheSane | (([^,]+?),?)* is probably slightly better. *shrug* |
| 06:17.05 | NightHawkTheSane | and, i have no idea, you didn't ask for an lua function, you asked for a regex. :P |
| 06:20.26 | Orionshock | hehe.. |
| 06:20.44 | Orionshock | i figure i can write a slash command handler similar to the way an event handler works... |
| 06:20.49 | Orionshock | but it's going to be tricky |
| 06:21.12 | *** join/#wowace pakoz (n=asd@71-93-39-179.static.snlo.ca.charter.com) |
| 06:22.04 | Orionshock | where is Xinhuan or Tekkub when u need to pick their brain |
| 06:22.12 | Xinhuan | here as usual |
| 06:25.25 | Xinhuan | well? |
| 06:25.31 | Orionshock | scroll up.. |
| 06:25.33 | Orionshock | :P |
| 06:26.08 | Orionshock | im contiuing my "banging wall into head |
| 06:26.23 | Xinhuan | feel free to use {strsplit(TheArguments)} |
| 06:26.31 | Xinhuan | feel free to use {strsplit(",", TheArguments)} |
| 06:26.32 | Xinhuan | that is |
| 06:26.33 | Orionshock | im contiuing my "banging wall into head proccess" err.. learning proccess and diving into a slash command handler |
| 06:26.45 | Thelyna | Xinhuan: that'd be too easy. |
| 06:26.51 | Xinhuan | it is that easy. |
| 06:27.05 | Xinhuan | just creates a new table everytime though |
| 06:27.33 | Orionshock | how bout ... select(i, strsplit(", ", msg) ) |
| 06:27.59 | Orionshock | Tekkub said he'd stab me if i did something like {FuncThatRetunedABunchOfStrings()} |
| 06:28.11 | Xinhuan | works too, but note that strsplit is VERY slow |
| 06:28.15 | Xinhuan | well not that slow |
| 06:28.23 | Xinhuan | its in C code |
| 06:28.45 | Xinhuan | you can use select(#) |
| 06:28.49 | Xinhuan | to find the number of args |
| 06:28.53 | Xinhuan | or just loop until you get nil |
| 06:30.13 | Funkeh` | later |
| 06:30.29 | Xinhuan | or you can just pass the entire thing to a function |
| 06:30.31 | pakoz | yo |
| 06:30.45 | pakoz | Where would i go to ask questions on Threat1-0? |
| 06:30.52 | Xinhuan | myfunction(strsplit(",", TheArguments)) |
| 06:31.03 | Xinhuan | then your function, declare it as vararg |
| 06:31.07 | Xinhuan | with "..." |
| 06:31.26 | Poul|Raider | anyone, http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1020/raidertool11nov2007eh7.png . if i set HourEdit:SetMaxLetters(3) down to (2) it wont let me put in more then one number in my editboxes? and if its 3 then i can put 3 :( dont get it |
| 06:32.15 | Xinhuan | poul: there are 3 letters. the 3rd letter is too "widE" so it scrolled offscreen to the left |
| 06:32.16 | Xinhuan | use the arrow keys if you don't believe me |
| 06:32.17 | Xinhuan | to move the cursor |
| 06:32.50 | Poul|Raider | i dod see the 3th letter |
| 06:32.52 | Poul|Raider | thats not the problem |
| 06:33.21 | Poul|Raider | but if i set it to max 2, which is what i want. it only alow me to put in 1 and i can use arrows and what not, there is just one :( |
| 06:33.21 | Xinhuan | are you using english? |
| 06:33.25 | Poul|Raider | :( |
| 06:33.54 | Xinhuan | some chars use 2 bytes |
| 06:34.04 | Poul|Raider | its just numbers in this case |
| 06:34.50 | Xinhuan | no idea then |
| 06:34.57 | Xinhuan | might have to see your code |
| 06:35.30 | Poul|Raider | its just a normal editbox - HourEdit:SetMaxLetters(3); |
| 06:35.46 | Xinhuan | can't really tell that |
| 06:35.55 | Xinhuan | you might have other code such as "ontextchanged" |
| 06:36.01 | Poul|Raider | naa |
| 06:36.10 | Xinhuan | or you set it to numeric only and you're trying to type letters |
| 06:36.20 | Poul|Raider | nope |
| 06:36.42 | Poul|Raider | only have a on enter pressed to clear focus |
| 06:37.25 | Xinhuan | well without seeing the code, its near impossible to tell |
| 06:37.26 | Poul|Raider | but hmm gave me an idea there, will try set it to only numeric, dont need letters in it anyway |
| 06:37.42 | Poul|Raider | i can post it, 1min :D |
| 06:37.44 | Xinhuan | you might even have inheritted the editbox from some template |
| 06:38.57 | Poul|Raider | lol think you are right. |
| 06:41.29 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.46 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:42.53 | Kivin | ~lastseen CKknight |
| 06:43.00 | Kivin | ... |
| 06:43.37 | Poul|Raider | Xinhuan, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44096/ but atleast you got me to check and the problem might be something with that VFLUI.FixEditBoxCursor - gonna try puzzle abit with it. |
| 06:43.43 | Diao | it's ~seen |
| 06:44.08 | pakoz | I have some questions on Threat1-0, where would i go to ask questions? |
| 06:44.10 | Kivin | ~seen Ckknight |
| 06:44.11 | purl | ckknight <n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 2d 19h 51m 24s ago, saying: 'cryogen, rawr'. |
| 06:44.30 | Kivin | thx |
| 06:44.41 | Fisker- | ~seen zealotonastick |
| 06:44.42 | purl | zealotonastick <n=ZOAS@c-69-246-217-192.hsd1.in.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 4d 3h 42m 16s ago, saying: 'explain it to us then.'. |
| 06:45.35 | Poul|Raider | Xinhuan, ye got it solved. |
| 06:45.39 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 06:45.41 | Poul|Raider | :D |
| 06:45.47 | Xinhuan | did you really create a new function |
| 06:45.48 | Xinhuan | function() this:ClearFocus(); end |
| 06:45.51 | Xinhuan | every editbox? |
| 06:46.02 | Orionshock | http://ace.pastey.net/76941 |
| 06:46.03 | Xinhuan | pretty bad |
| 06:46.18 | Xinhuan | just create a local function somewhere, and reference it |
| 06:46.34 | Poul|Raider | i will learn to check my code next time :D naa Xinhuan, made it so when pressed enter in the first it set focus of the next |
| 06:47.34 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 06:47.41 | Poul|Raider | its for an attendance checker for my raidlog, where i can plot in time for when i want to see who was in raid etc |
| 06:47.42 | pakoz | whos the author of threat1-0? |
| 06:47.59 | Orionshock | Antiarc? |
| 06:48.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc is the project lead/main dev, but a numbber of people have contributed |
| 06:48.45 | pakoz | i suppose rather than going directly to him |
| 06:48.49 | pakoz | i could just ask here |
| 06:48.57 | pakoz | what calculation is used for threat/omen |
| 06:49.03 | pakoz | when salv and tranq totem buff are on |
| 06:49.16 | *** join/#wowace NightHawkTheSane (n=duaiwe@63-226-231-18.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 06:49.16 | Kivin | threat reduction is multiplicated |
| 06:49.19 | Kivin | multiplicative* |
| 06:49.46 | Kivin | T = T * 0.7 * 0.7, I think |
| 06:50.02 | Poul|Raider | but Xinhuan, i will admit that i would be the kind of guy might have writted function() self:clearFocus() end) a few times instead of create a function to refer to. But havent made that much GUI yet for it. |
| 06:50.35 | Poul|Raider | things go kinda slowly when the things i need for my self work |
| 06:51.00 | Xinhuan | it has a multiplier variable for threat buffs |
| 06:51.14 | Xinhuan | they all get multiplied at the end |
| 06:54.16 | Poul|Raider | But still thinking abit about my dkp addon, if i should add some support for biddings etc. Would it not be easy for a guy who know just alittle about lua to see others bids if you let it go over the addon channel? |
| 06:54.24 | Xinhuan | if i remember correctly, it checks for buffs, enchants, metagem and multiplies each one to that variable |
| 06:54.38 | Xinhuan | Poul|Raider: correct, hence you need to add security measures |
| 06:55.10 | Poul|Raider | wont the easy way not be just to send it over the whisper channel? |
| 06:55.16 | Poul|Raider | doh |
| 06:55.40 | Xinhuan | but is it bad to let other people see bids? |
| 06:55.41 | Poul|Raider | my english get even worse when i am sleepy, and its bad before that. |
| 06:55.54 | Poul|Raider | Xinhuan, if you running a closed bidding system? |
| 06:56.03 | Poul|Raider | ohh that guy bid 400, i bid 401 |
| 06:56.04 | Xinhuan | you can use whispers if you want |
| 06:56.05 | Poul|Raider | i win :D |
| 06:56.10 | Xinhuan | but your addon must know who to whisper to |
| 06:56.18 | Poul|Raider | ahh ye. |
| 06:56.37 | pakoz | thx guys |
| 06:56.46 | Xinhuan | so your addon must know and how to determine who is the "server" |
| 06:56.57 | Poul|Raider | hmm, think i know how i will do it. the guy who doing the action, send out the info in the addon channel and bidders reply in whisper. |
| 06:57.11 | Poul|Raider | and that way a guy without a addon also have a chance to bid |
| 06:57.23 | Xinhuan | there is a addon whisper channel |
| 06:57.33 | Poul|Raider | dint know that |
| 06:58.07 | Xinhuan | bidding and stuff should never be automated by an addon in my opinion, it should be manual |
| 06:58.18 | Poul|Raider | nice to know, no more replacing of blizzards chat function to hide the spam |
| 06:58.25 | Xinhuan | a mage could joke bid on a plate armor and win |
| 06:58.30 | Xinhuan | and then you would have to undo it |
| 06:58.36 | Xinhuan | in the addon |
| 06:58.42 | Poul|Raider | he cant do that if its manuel? |
| 06:58.45 | Poul|Raider | :D |
| 06:58.48 | Xinhuan | he could |
| 06:58.53 | Xinhuan | but a human can tell which is fake |
| 06:58.56 | Xinhuan | and which is real |
| 06:59.05 | Xinhuan | and assign the loot accordingly, and update the dkp accordingly |
| 06:59.18 | Poul|Raider | ye, but if you first got the bidding made. it wont be hard to make so the actioneer can delete a bid |
| 06:59.21 | Xinhuan | if you use an automatic system, you'll end up undoing the last update and manually updating it |
| 06:59.34 | Poul|Raider | and ye, wasent thinking of making it all automatic |
| 07:00.00 | Xinhuan | also no idea about your loot syste, it could have armor class priorities, or MT priorities, etc |
| 07:00.02 | Poul|Raider | was just thinking of extending as i have it now, where people !bid to me and then it pop up in my addon where i can announce from |
| 07:00.05 | Xinhuan | bidding should usually be manual |
| 07:00.12 | Poul|Raider | ye |
| 07:00.19 | CIA-7 | 03paene * r54320 10Cryolysis2/ (Bindings.lua Bindings.xml Cryolysis2.toc): |
| 07:00.19 | CIA-7 | Cryolysis2: |
| 07:00.19 | CIA-7 | -Added intial keybindings |
| 07:00.36 | Poul|Raider | just nice to have some basic to rely on with standings as so, dont mean its final |
| 07:02.02 | Xinhuan | yah but at the end of it, you'll end up still requiring to make a manual entry system |
| 07:02.09 | Poul|Raider | Would like to add so that when i announce a action, then the addon pop asking the user if he want to bid or not. send back the response and update my view in my addon. But naa, dont realy sound that importen now when talking about it |
| 07:02.59 | Kerafyrm | My desire is an in-game addon that tracks raids(who joined, who left, who was present at the time of death for bosses), which interacts with an php script on a website via a iexplore/ff api that does real-time updates to dkp site, and can also pull down info from the site as far as balances, and stff |
| 07:02.59 | Poul|Raider | well it have all the manuel entry support atm, as thats what i use. was just thinking of extending it abit, but now i got lazy |
| 07:03.34 | Poul|Raider | Kerafyrm, will only be posible with reloadui |
| 07:03.51 | Poul|Raider | and then a script on the computer to read the wtf folder and get the request and reloadui again |
| 07:04.01 | Kerafyrm | ugh |
| 07:04.06 | Kerafyrm | nevermind..... |
| 07:04.06 | Kerafyrm | lol |
| 07:04.17 | CIA-7 | 03paene * r54321 10Cryolysis2/ (ClassCheck.lua Cryolysis2.lua Cryolysis2.toc): |
| 07:04.17 | CIA-7 | Cryolysis2: |
| 07:04.17 | CIA-7 | -Splitting some code up |
| 07:04.21 | Poul|Raider | or you have a second pc in wow reloadign ui every 30sec and then make the request and send the info ingame |
| 07:04.35 | Kerafyrm | 2nd pc defeats the purpose as it displays all the info desired. |
| 07:04.49 | Kerafyrm | and allows the user to do the "real-time tracking" |
| 07:05.21 | Poul|Raider | well if i would need it, i could just put ontop on my firefox window and have it over wow lol :D |
| 07:07.29 | Xinhuan | Orionshock, i have another solution somewhere actually, in one of my addons |
| 07:07.46 | Kerafyrm | wonder if a exe could watch the wow.exe's memory space for data stored by the ui before it writes it out to disk |
| 07:07.47 | Kerafyrm | lol |
| 07:08.03 | Poul|Raider | and get you banned .D |
| 07:08.15 | Tekkub | I need a good kara hunter build... |
| 07:08.18 | Xinhuan | if you're interested, say something :) |
| 07:08.25 | Orionshock | always |
| 07:08.29 | Tekkub | preferrably with trap crap, I was getting lots of resists tonight |
| 07:08.57 | Orionshock | tho i can live with my slash command handler as is, my real issue is the SV aspect |
| 07:09.24 | Kerafyrm | i've read that Warden will not trip on an executable that just watched |
| 07:10.19 | Xuerian | Kerafyrm: Wanna try your theory? |
| 07:10.45 | *** join/#wowace silentium (i=silentiu@dslb-088-066-035-015.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 07:10.48 | Kerafyrm | trial acct.. sure lol ssh tunneling to some cheap shell |
| 07:11.16 | Kerafyrm | i haven't a clue how to write the executable to watch the memory address thou |
| 07:11.28 | Xuerian | Anyhow, it will still get you banned in here |
| 07:11.58 | Xinhuan | Orionshock: somethinglike that - http://pastey.net/76942 |
| 07:12.41 | Orionshock | dear god ffs why? |
| 07:12.47 | Xuerian | so much concatenation omg |
| 07:12.58 | Xinhuan | yeah its a pretty bad implementation |
| 07:13.05 | Xinhuan | i no longer use |
| 07:13.08 | Xinhuan | i no longer use it |
| 07:13.13 | Orionshock | i just need something simple to slit my writs with , not the plans to MAKE a shotgun to use on myself |
| 07:13.19 | Xinhuan | i just use the straight strsplit() function now |
| 07:13.33 | Xinhuan | but it does work on vararg number of arguments |
| 07:13.46 | CIA-7 | 03paene * r54322 10Cryolysis2/Cryolysis2.lua: |
| 07:13.46 | CIA-7 | Cryolysis2: |
| 07:13.46 | CIA-7 | -Fixed buff menu not updating after talenting into a spell it could potentially have. |
| 07:13.48 | Xinhuan | and you can always optimize it to only work on "," as te separator |
| 07:13.54 | Xinhuan | and remove all the extra concantenation |
| 07:14.07 | Orionshock | well atm im trying to do tricks with metatables to get SV options working |
| 07:14.27 | Xinhuan | but its really just faster to pass the return values of strsplit() to a vararg function |
| 07:15.52 | Xinhuan | but hey, it is a solution ;p |
| 07:16.27 | Xinhuan | just not a very optimized one, it is the function that was in the original addon that JASlaughter maintained |
| 07:16.52 | Xinhuan | after i took over that addon, i rewrote the entire addon from scratch (lol) |
| 07:17.02 | Orionshock | well i think my SCH is working just fine... it looks alot like my EventHandler but eh well |
| 07:17.25 | Xinhuan | yah, but you just ended up duplicating half the code in aceevent and aceconsole |
| 07:17.45 | Orionshock | in that case it's not a whole hell of a lot of code |
| 07:18.14 | Orionshock | 19 lines of code |
| 07:18.18 | Orionshock | and no AceOO |
| 07:19.01 | Orionshock | Xinhuan: right... half the code... |
| 07:19.10 | Xinhuan | not really that much actually |
| 07:19.25 | Xinhuan | ace a number of overhead itself |
| 07:19.28 | CIA-7 | 03paene * r54323 10Cryolysis2/ (ClassCheck.lua Cryolysis2.lua): |
| 07:19.28 | CIA-7 | Cryolysis2: |
| 07:19.28 | CIA-7 | -Un-did what I did earlier! |
| 07:19.36 | Xinhuan | ace adds a* number of overhead itself |
| 07:19.47 | Xinhuan | with all its argument checking |
| 07:19.56 | Xinhuan | and an extra level of function calls |
| 07:21.37 | Xinhuan | ~seen toadkiller |
| 07:21.38 | purl | toadkiller <n=dnester@adsl-75-30-187-11.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 6h 25m 35s ago, saying: 'Uhm I think Postal is superior to CT. It has shortcut keys to return or auto open mail, popup list of contacts for send to as well as 15 name memory of last mailed via arrow keys, + it remembers last person sent to etc.'. |
| 07:23.24 | CIA-7 | 03paene * r54324 10Cryolysis2/Cryolysis2.toc: |
| 07:23.24 | CIA-7 | Cryolysis2: |
| 07:23.24 | CIA-7 | -Forgot to fix the .toc |
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| 07:27.43 | vithos | Tekkub: 41/20/0 is good dps in kara gear, but no trap stuff obviously |
| 07:28.44 | Tekkub | yea I'm more after traps first then DPS |
| 07:28.59 | Tekkub | cause eithe tonight was abnormal, or I need help on the traps |
| 07:29.37 | vithos | what do you use traps on in kara? moroes? |
| 07:31.21 | Kivin | Aran's eles? |
| 07:31.28 | vithos | i don't really remember using them any other time, but maybe my memory is bad |
| 07:31.41 | NightHawkTheSane | depending on what cc/tanking's available you could probably use them on some trash up to maiden *shrug* |
| 07:32.06 | vithos | hmm.. always had warlocks banish/fear those |
| 07:32.37 | vithos | but yeah, trap resists are incredibly annoying |
| 07:32.56 | vithos | which is why i never trap things :) |
| 07:35.03 | vithos | i don't really have an SV or hybrid build to offer, but i'd play around in cheeky's spreadsheet if i were going to make one |
| 07:35.30 | *** join/#wowace Paene (n=Jim@24-236-181-169.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) |
| 07:36.06 | Paene | hey guys, quick question...if I call DisableAddon("Cryolysis2") at the beginning of my code, it should stop the XML from rendering right? |
| 07:36.15 | Paene | (as well as the whole mod) |
| 07:36.39 | vithos | but if you decide to forego the trap talents, BM is superior at that level of gearing and i know i personally enjoy the ease of the (lack of) shot rotation. makes situational awareness easier |
| 07:36.52 | vithos | !char us moonrunner vith |
| 07:36.54 | ThraeBot | vithos: Vith, Level 70 Night Elf Hunter (41/20/0). 9795 HP; 7813 Mana; 147 mana regen; 46 mp5; 7496 Armour; 2157 AP; 303.600 Melee DPS; 23.84% melee crit; 105 melee hit; 2237 RAP; 430.00 Ranged DPS; 30.11% ranged crit; 105 ranged hit; 23.47% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10); +33 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 1565 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/28escp ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/33ozho ][ Updated: Sat Nov 10 22:42:02 2007 EST |
| 07:37.28 | Paene | meh, prob no-one awake |
| 07:40.08 | Paene | anyone still awake? |
| 07:40.13 | Ellipsis | no |
| 07:40.17 | Paene | :-O |
| 07:40.20 | Paene | liar! |
| 07:43.33 | Ellipsis | no wai, I'm sleeptyping |
| 07:44.09 | starlon | I'm awake |
| 07:44.45 | Paene | Trying to figure out why my addon is still loading even though it's getting disabled |
| 07:45.02 | Paene | I have a class check, I want the mod to disable if the character isn't a mage |
| 07:45.28 | Paene | but for some reason, it disables the mod and then continues running it until the next reloadui or logout |
| 07:45.34 | Nargiddley | DisableAddOn unchecks it from the addon screen at char select, it doesnt take effect untill a reload |
| 07:45.53 | Paene | anyway to unload the addon once it's started? |
| 07:45.59 | Nargiddley | no |
| 07:45.59 | Tekkub | return out |
| 07:46.17 | Tekkub | if whatever then DisableAddOn("me") return end |
| 07:46.40 | Tekkub | it will still load, it just won't execute past that |
| 07:46.51 | Paene | ic |
| 07:46.55 | Antiar1 | Any warrior gurus on? |
| 07:47.05 | Antiar1 | I'm 33/28, just picked up Gorehowl. Mongoose or Savagery? |
| 07:47.05 | CIA-7 | 03trasher * r54325 10Proximo/localization-frFR.lua: |
| 07:47.05 | CIA-7 | Proximo: |
| 07:47.05 | CIA-7 | - Update French |
| 07:47.08 | starlon | if class ~= "MAGE" then return end |
| 07:48.11 | Paene | I still have some of the XML frames loading after that :-/ |
| 07:48.41 | Paene | I guess I could just hide all of them |
| 07:49.03 | Tekkub | no way to stop the XML, use lua instead :P |
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| 07:54.08 | Kerafyrm | stop the flow of data.. stop the xml! |
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| 08:06.57 | Kemayo | There isn't any way short of tooltip-scanning to tell whether something is conjured, right? |
| 08:09.54 | Orionshock | item ID check |
| 08:13.35 | starlon | Is there an API for destroying items? |
| 08:15.16 | Nargiddley | starlon: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_DeleteCursorItem |
| 08:15.18 | starlon | There's http://www.wowwiki.com/API_DeleteCursorItem but that's not what I want |
| 08:16.31 | CIA-7 | 03paene * r54326 10Cryolysis2/Cryolysis2.lua: |
| 08:16.31 | CIA-7 | Cryolysis2: |
| 08:16.31 | CIA-7 | -Fixed up the class check a bit |
| 08:17.01 | Nargiddley | what do you want then ? |
| 08:19.11 | starlon | Friend wants to swiftly delete his soul shards |
| 08:19.42 | starlon | I guess DeleteCursorItem's the only way |
| 08:20.39 | vhaarr | Xuerian: ping |
| 08:21.05 | Xuerian | vhaarr: If you're getting back to me from earlier, nevermind |
| 08:21.17 | vhaarr | Xuerian: right, because I didn't actually modify that table any |
| 08:21.26 | vhaarr | well I did maybe |
| 08:21.27 | Xuerian | vhaarr: I was a very confused little druid |
| 08:21.29 | vhaarr | but not that entry |
| 08:21.42 | Xuerian | And no you didn't modify that, but I didn't realize what it was at the time I asked you either |
| 08:21.49 | Xuerian | I looked at the svn diffs, is why I asked. :P |
| 08:21.50 | vhaarr | okay |
| 08:21.54 | vhaarr | good then |
| 08:22.21 | Xuerian | To summarize what you missed, someone added Rich Thorium to the rare list, which it isn't on >.o |
| 08:22.30 | vhaarr | right |
| 08:22.55 | Xuerian | And then all was well in mining-land as xuerian ground his way past 300 mining (again) |
| 08:22.57 | Xuerian | :3 |
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| 08:32.15 | NightHawkTheSane | "Your ass is ringing." "My ass rings a lot." "Ever think about setting it on vibrate?" |
| 08:34.28 | CIA-7 | 03mikk * r54327 10ChatThrottleLib/ (ChatThrottleLib.lua ChatThrottleLib.toc README.txt): |
| 08:34.28 | CIA-7 | ChatThrottleLib: v19: |
| 08:34.28 | CIA-7 | - Add optional "queueName" parameter as last arg to both Send functions. If |
| 08:34.28 | CIA-7 | supplied, queueing will be done according to this name rather than |
| 08:34.28 | CIA-7 | prefix+chattype+destination. Useful for protocols that mangle the prefix, e.g. |
| 08:34.28 | CIA-7 | AceComm3, or addons that want in-sequence delivery of messages regardless of |
| 08:34.32 | CIA-7 | prefix. |
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| 08:49.18 | vhaarr | can anyone recommend a small addon that lets me add notes on mouseover of mobs? |
| 08:49.35 | vhaarr | would probably be faster to just make an addon than to find one |
| 08:49.53 | Cartas | I vote for make one. |
| 08:50.06 | dJe781 | I vote for find one. |
| 08:50.06 | Orionshock | NoteIt on curse |
| 08:50.07 | dJe781 | :') |
| 08:50.14 | vhaarr | Orionshock: so it's not on wowace? |
| 08:50.19 | vhaarr | I'll make one then |
| 08:50.20 | Orionshock | lol no |
| 08:50.35 | Orionshock | the idea is rather simple |
| 08:50.53 | Orionshock | there is Engravings by Tekkub |
| 08:50.58 | Orionshock | but thats items only |
| 08:51.19 | Orionshock | NoteIt will do anythign with a tool tip |
| 08:51.37 | vhaarr | then it's not what I'm looking for anyway, I want something simple |
| 08:52.10 | Kemayo | vhaarr: AuldLangSyne's notes module actually will. But again, probably not simple. |
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| 08:53.36 | Orionshock | note it is rather simple |
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| 08:59.42 | Orionshock | ramoz: hey u home? |
| 09:01.34 | ramoz | yeah |
| 09:01.40 | ramoz | i just love your addon |
| 09:01.41 | ramoz | :D |
| 09:02.46 | Orionshock | any errors of any sort? |
| 09:03.45 | Orionshock | btw im fixing the name on it so ur gona have to recheck it out |
| 09:04.37 | ramoz | no errors yet, except my type True isnt the same as true |
| 09:04.37 | ramoz | also |
| 09:05.08 | ramoz | you know the dude in netherwing who has the crystal and pollen quest? |
| 09:05.30 | ramoz | i got true on the pollen quest, i dont always do the crystal |
| 09:05.37 | Orionshock | ya next to the merc |
| 09:05.58 | ramoz | so if i wanna take the crystalquest it just autoturns in the pollen, even tho i dont have hte pollen |
| 09:06.27 | Orionshock | i know.. it's a "Glitch" |
| 09:06.33 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.38 | ramoz | maybe add a check if the npc has more then one quest, check if you have the items before autocompletion |
| 09:06.43 | Orionshock | there isn't a "IsQuestCompleted()" |
| 09:07.02 | ramoz | ok, well its no biggie |
| 09:07.22 | Orionshock | well i did add in a Shift override |
| 09:07.23 | ramoz | just have to use ALT the few times i wanna do the crystalquest |
| 09:07.26 | ramoz | err, shif |
| 09:07.27 | ramoz | yeah |
| 09:07.28 | ramoz | shift* |
| 09:07.49 | ramoz | but now im off time mine some before all the hobos on my server wake up! |
| 09:09.04 | ramoz | also |
| 09:09.12 | Orionshock | eh? |
| 09:09.21 | ramoz | i havnt added DailyFu, cause it only tracks what dailies you've done? |
| 09:09.43 | Orionshock | yes what ones you did and /the last time you did it/ |
| 09:10.07 | ramoz | ah |
| 09:10.13 | ramoz | i dont like having stuff on my fubar |
| 09:10.24 | Orionshock | i put it on the minimap myself |
| 09:10.38 | ramoz | i only have durabilityfu and violation |
| 09:10.44 | ramoz | dont have anything on my minimap |
| 09:10.58 | Orionshock | meh |
| 09:11.17 | Orionshock | if u don't like things on your fubar, why have it? |
| 09:11.40 | ramoz | certainthings is a must |
| 09:12.09 | ramoz | and i like having things on my fubar better than on my minimap |
| 09:12.13 | Orionshock | now what im wondering is if i make a folder on the ace svn, and only set externals to my google code, will it make a zip for it? |
| 09:12.30 | Orionshock | or are we discouraged from doing that? |
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| 09:23.17 | pakoz | does blizzard offer any sort of gold transfer thing? i wanna transfer money from one server to another |
| 09:27.04 | Lukian | transfer a character ^^ |
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| 09:34.36 | CIA-7 | 03toadkiller * r54328 10PeriodicTable-3.0/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:34.36 | CIA-7 | PeriodicTable-3.0: |
| 09:34.36 | CIA-7 | - 32768 Reins of the Raven Lord |
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| 09:36.12 | Orionshock | ah ffs, wth, i don't have a pic for my addon for wowinterface |
| 09:36.26 | Orionshock | there is nothing pic'ie about it :( |
| 09:36.46 | Lukian | Orionshock, screenshot the config |
| 09:37.10 | Orionshock | :( there is no config |
| 09:37.15 | Lukian | ahha |
| 09:37.18 | Lukian | which addon? |
| 09:37.25 | Orionshock | mine :P |
| 09:37.32 | Lukian | which is? :D |
| 09:37.50 | Orionshock | shock-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/SickOfClickingDailies |
| 09:38.11 | Lukian | make a "no clicking" sign, like a no smoking one :D |
| 09:38.17 | Orionshock | lolz |
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| 09:43.22 | Orionshock | http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=no+mouse&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2 |
| 09:43.33 | Orionshock | 5th result |
| 09:44.02 | Orionshock | http://www.kyndig.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/mydesktop.jpg |
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| 09:49.30 | Orionshock | well i'v submitted it to wowinterface.. lets see what they say |
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| 09:51.02 | CIA-7 | 037destiny * r54329 10FuBar_SkillsPlusFu/ (FuBar_SkillsPlusFu.toc SkillsPlusFuLocals-koKR.lua): |
| 09:51.02 | CIA-7 | FuBar_SkillsPlusFu: |
| 09:51.02 | CIA-7 | - added koKR translation(thakns ochocobo) |
| 09:54.17 | Kivin | A quick Q for anyone that might be around: if i run an instruction like << X[i] = function() ... end >> through a for loop, will a new instance of the function be created each time? |
| 09:54.59 | Kivin | or do X[1..n] all contain the same function pointer |
| 09:55.31 | nevcairiel | new function |
| 09:55.37 | Kivin | ack |
| 09:55.46 | Kivin | that's bad news |
| 09:56.36 | Kivin | thanks, though |
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| 10:06.07 | Orionshock | gouge work on shade? |
| 10:06.10 | Orionshock | or only kick? |
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| 10:11.41 | Ominous | Fin! |
| 10:11.48 | Fin | Om! |
| 10:11.51 | Ominous | hows u |
| 10:11.55 | Fin | http://www.b3ta.com/links/Internet_Love_Song |
| 10:11.56 | Fin | good ta |
| 10:11.56 | Ellipsis | cheezburger? |
| 10:11.59 | Fin | and yourself? |
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| 10:12.08 | Ominous | im alright, what have you been up to |
| 10:12.19 | Fin | are oh eff el maay oh |
| 10:12.24 | Fin | nothing too exciting |
| 10:12.27 | Fin | started a lock alt |
| 10:12.35 | Fin | it's snowing in Prague |
| 10:12.36 | Ominous | :) |
| 10:12.40 | Ominous | horde or alliance? |
| 10:12.43 | Fin | Horde |
| 10:13.02 | Fin | only a wee baby at the moment, but, well, levelling isn't exactly difficult... just tedious |
| 10:13.03 | Ominous | ill have to pester you for the name sometime then :P |
| 10:13.16 | Fin | what've you been up to then? what news of the world of Om? |
| 10:13.22 | Ominous | yea i gave up wow twice while leveling and nearly a third time :P |
| 10:13.32 | Ominous | passed my driving test :) |
| 10:13.35 | Fin | ooh! nice one |
| 10:14.11 | Fin | I'm afraid I'll kill someone |
| 10:14.20 | Ominous | lol |
| 10:14.31 | Fin | more, quite certain, than afraid really |
| 10:14.47 | Ominous | lol, im off, talk later |
| 10:14.57 | Fin | cya mate |
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| 10:21.14 | Kivin | God, I hate rock D: |
| 10:22.24 | Ozguli | huh? |
| 10:22.45 | Kivin | And I'm quite certain it hates me, too |
| 10:22.54 | Ozguli | why's that? |
| 10:23.14 | Kivin | Doesn't want to work right... at all |
| 10:23.22 | Kivin | Not as documented, anyways |
| 10:23.28 | Ozguli | o.O |
| 10:23.31 | Ozguli | Play it louder |
| 10:23.36 | Kivin | huh? |
| 10:23.46 | Kivin | www.wowace.com/wiki/Rock |
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| 10:24.31 | Ozguli | oh |
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| 10:28.44 | Orionshock | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Rock#API_Documentation |
| 10:29.56 | Kivin | I've read all the rock docs, and 7222 lines of LibRockConfig. It doesn't work as advertised |
| 10:30.09 | Orionshock | eh? |
| 10:30.32 | Orionshock | whats it not doing? |
| 10:30.47 | Kivin | not passing values correctly in config tables |
| 10:31.02 | Orionshock | what's it look like? |
| 10:31.08 | Kivin | what's what look like? |
| 10:31.17 | Orionshock | ya throw up a pastie |
| 10:31.23 | Kivin | of the config table? |
| 10:31.28 | Orionshock | yes |
| 10:31.29 | Orionshock | :D |
| 10:31.34 | Kivin | ok with an assload of spam? |
| 10:31.46 | Kivin | the bots aren't going to kb me for it? |
| 10:31.47 | Orionshock | http://ace.pastey.net |
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| 10:33.16 | Kivin | http://ace.pastey.net/76949 |
| 10:33.47 | Kivin | panelName_[get|set] aren't getting 'v' passed to them |
| 10:34.06 | Orionshock | stupid question: is your function accepting v? |
| 10:34.10 | CIA-7 | 03yleaf * r54330 10GridStatusHealingReduced/Locale-zhCN.lua: GridStatusHealingReduced: fix zhCN locale (line 31) |
| 10:34.20 | Kivin | yes |
| 10:34.22 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.33 | Kivin | function panelName_get(v) and function panelName_set(v, _v) |
| 10:34.55 | Kivin | in _get's case, v = nil. set's case: v = value, _v = nil |
| 10:35.28 | Orionshock | didn't think that _Get got a pass value? |
| 10:35.36 | Kivin | it does if you use passValue |
| 10:35.37 | CIA-7 | 03pettigrow * r54331 10ClosetGnome/ (ClosetGnome-UI-FuBar.lua locales/frFR.lua): ClosetGnome: frFR Update ("franglais" ftl) |
| 10:35.55 | Orionshock | well don't know |
| 10:36.05 | Orionshock | did u try using inline funcs? |
| 10:36.07 | Kivin | I'll post a snippit from PitBull, and you can see how it works.... which is fine...... i guess... just not as advertised |
| 10:36.10 | Kivin | yes |
| 10:36.20 | Kivin | the problem is, there's about 30 said funcs |
| 10:36.30 | Kivin | times the number of panels on screen |
| 10:37.13 | Kivin | http://ace.pastey.net/76951 |
| 10:37.18 | Kivin | this is the way ckKnight uses it |
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| 10:37.41 | Kivin | he has all his args{} share the same get/set functions |
| 10:37.54 | Kivin | and puts the passValue in his arg elements |
| 10:40.50 | Orionshock | but he dosn't put the set/get in the args{} table tho |
| 10:41.31 | Kivin | yeah |
| 10:41.39 | Kivin | i'm trying to get that working... and it just doesn't want to |
| 10:42.03 | Kivin | right now, LibRockConfig is crappin' on me for not having a set method inside my args |
| 10:42.30 | Orionshock | me thinks its a glitch |
| 10:43.04 | Kivin | the LibRockConfig docs state clearly that setValue can be used in any field, not just groups, so based on the docs, my way should work |
| 10:43.21 | Orionshock | me thinks its a glitch / bug |
| 10:43.26 | Kivin | perhaps |
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| 10:44.24 | Kivin | I've heard a dozen times that Rock isn't ready for use by developers... I ignored it since pitbull and others seem to work just fine... but i'm ready to scrap my project and go back to ace2 |
| 10:48.03 | Orionshock | well use is a bitch u know |
| 10:48.11 | Kivin | use? |
| 10:48.20 | Orionshock | if it's not used then it can't be debuged under practical application |
| 10:49.05 | Kivin | i would think that the last two and a half months of PitBull/Carto/whatever else under the Rock Framework would get the kinks worked out |
| 10:49.19 | Kivin | ok, so i've got the passValues working for my get function, but it's still yelling at me that there's no set... |
| 10:49.29 | Orionshock | and tbh for the first few months ace3 will be like that too - won't exactly work perfectly as intended untill it's put under fire |
| 10:49.52 | Orionshock | ck knows his code all too well , so things like this don't get worked out |
| 10:50.15 | Kivin | I'd be satisfied if there was at least some better documentation |
| 10:50.27 | Orionshock | better? how? |
| 10:50.52 | Orionshock | from a logic persepctive - all you've asked for is better - haven't said how tho |
| 10:50.53 | Kivin | well, the only docs that exist for Rock are auto-generated wikis |
| 10:51.24 | Kivin | the only way I knew how to even create an instance of a rock addon is to gut PitBull and find the Rock("LibRockWhatever"):... statement |
| 10:52.12 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.33 | Kivin | actually, it's :NewAddon() |
| 10:52.39 | Kivin | But you wouldn't know that from reading the rock wiki |
| 10:52.54 | haste | you would from reading the rock source however |
| 10:53.06 | Orionshock | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/LibRock-1.0#:NewAddon.28.22name.22_.2C_....29 |
| 10:53.11 | Orionshock | >.- |
| 10:53.25 | Kivin | hmm |
| 10:53.30 | Orionshock | :D |
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| 10:57.06 | Kivin | so these damnable passValues seem to work with inline functions, but not when i set child_get/set a function pointer... i don't get it |
| 10:57.28 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r676 10/trunk/ControlFreak/Block.lua: ControlFreak - Register for all clicks, not just left |
| 10:58.40 | Zhinjio | Kivin, fwiw... I'm doing my plugin rewrite in rock, and with the exception of a few small nuances to work around, it hasn't impeded my progress at all. |
| 10:59.06 | Kivin | I guess I'm too incompetent to figure it out, then |
| 10:59.24 | Zhinjio | well, I'm just learning LUA myself, so ... I don't know. |
| 10:59.36 | Kivin | Aye... I only know a moderate amount of lua |
| 11:02.10 | Orionshock | Kivin: have you determined what values you are getting from those funcs? |
| 11:02.30 | Kivin | yeah, when it wasn't passing things, i was just getting nil. i've figured out the correct way to impliment it |
| 11:02.51 | Orionshock | just nil for everythign? |
| 11:03.00 | Kivin | still annoying as all hell, because i now have to pass a parameter into my gets/sets that tells what property is being set, and test that first |
| 11:03.09 | Kivin | yes |
| 11:03.37 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r677 10/trunk/ControlFreak/ (Config.lua ClassMacrotexts.lua): ControlFreak - Remove critter type, though it's controllable it's not an enemy and will never trigger CF's testing |
| 11:03.38 | Orionshock | >.> wait wait wait... isn't that what it was doing to begin wtih? |
| 11:03.44 | Kivin | no |
| 11:03.52 | Orionshock | O.O |
| 11:04.07 | Kivin | let me pastey |
| 11:04.26 | Kivin | http://ace.pastey.net/76954 |
| 11:04.30 | Kivin | that's what i was doing |
| 11:04.35 | Orionshock | get = panelName_get, set = panelName_set, i assume are generic funcs? |
| 11:05.00 | Kivin | they were global functions in that implementation. that didn't work |
| 11:05.25 | Orionshock | <.- |
| 11:05.34 | Orionshock | wiat |
| 11:05.57 | Orionshock | ' function panelName_get(v) ... end ' |
| 11:06.10 | Kivin | yes, i tried that |
| 11:06.17 | Orionshock | ok i guess i don't understand the impementation then |
| 11:06.20 | Kivin | http://ace.pastey.net/76955 |
| 11:06.23 | Kivin | that's the working implementation |
| 11:06.36 | Kivin | setting the child_get and child_set to strings is the key |
| 11:07.02 | Kivin | that way, it calls self:child_get and self:child_set with all the correct passValues |
| 11:08.41 | Orionshock | well that recent pastey looks right. |
| 11:08.47 | Kivin | it works |
| 11:08.59 | Kivin | just means i have to rewrite about 30 of those |
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| 11:10.02 | Orionshock | seems to be that http://ace.pastey.net/76956 would be correct IMHO |
| 11:10.32 | Kivin | right, except the passValues don't work |
| 11:10.43 | Kivin | that's what started this whole fiasco |
| 11:10.47 | Orionshock | lol |
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| 11:10.52 | Orionshock | ~seen ckknight |
| 11:10.58 | purl | ckknight <n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3d 18m 11s ago, saying: 'cryogen, rawr'. |
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| 11:11.17 | Kivin | God, am I a stalker? I knew that within 10 hours of accuracy ;p |
| 11:11.35 | Orionshock | seems he's gone on vaction or he has an alt |
| 11:11.43 | Kivin | Hiding from me |
| 11:12.07 | Diao | lol |
| 11:12.30 | Kivin | I still need him to help me figure out something else: What addon method gets called when you do a profile reset |
| 11:12.35 | Orionshock | i predict that Ace3 / Rock will be some of the last things out of the "community" before either it brakes up or the game dies. |
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| 11:13.30 | Kivin | D: |
| 11:13.46 | Orionshock | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/LibRockDB-1.0#:SetProfile.28.22name.22.29 |
| 11:14.11 | Kivin | that's not it |
| 11:14.22 | Orionshock | look at the descriptions |
| 11:14.24 | Kivin | OnProfileEnable/Disable don't get called |
| 11:15.39 | Orionshock | something tells me your doing something seriously wrong... or there is a glitch that hasn't been addressed |
| 11:15.54 | Kivin | No, those methods get called when you choose a profile from the drop down list |
| 11:15.59 | Kivin | I'm talking about when you hit the "reset profile" button |
| 11:16.29 | Kivin | It performs a deep copy of the default addon.db.profile table into addon.db.profile, but doesn't call those two methods |
| 11:17.19 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.46 | Kivin | you refering to the UI errors that occur when copying profiles? |
| 11:21.28 | Orionshock | ya |
| 11:21.51 | Kivin | I can't speak for Parrot or others, but I had my own ideas about why that's happening in Pitbull... which may be correct, or not |
| 11:22.21 | Kivin | I know exactly what you mean, though... I lost hours of work on my pitbull setup the other day when i tried to copy 'default' to my compilation name |
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| 11:41.30 | Zhinjio | I got around that by forcing the profile to use in the addon. Which is to say, you don't have much choice. your settings are saved to a per character profile, and are unique per character. |
| 11:41.41 | Zhinjio | so I may have skipped around whatever bug that iss |
| 11:41.58 | Orionshock | Kivin: check out http://ace.pastey.net/76958 |
| 11:42.09 | Orionshock | might have some answers to get arround some of that :D |
| 11:42.29 | Tsetse | buu, did you give up on that addon? =) |
| 11:43.32 | Orionshock | Kivin: i haven't tested the "Push" aspect but should work just fine |
| 11:44.46 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r678 10/trunk/ControlFreak/ (Config.lua ControlFreak.lua ConfigDB.lua ClassMacrotexts.lua): |
| 11:44.46 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: ControlFreak |
| 11:44.46 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: * Add right-click to open config if out of combat |
| 11:44.46 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: * Track multiple debuffs, for those multi poly spells |
| 11:48.30 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r679 10/trunk/ControlFreak/ControlFreak.lua: ControlFreak - Bah, debug output |
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| 11:52.25 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r680 10/trunk/ControlFreak/ (ControlFreak.lua Block.lua): ControlFreak - Move tooltip code into the block's file |
| 11:58.27 | Orionshock | bear druids should be formaly immune to disarm |
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| 11:59.30 | nevcairiel | yeah well, not that it does anything to ferals |
| 11:59.34 | Dezzi | declaw |
| 11:59.36 | Dezzi | imo |
| 12:02.26 | Arrowmaster | actually my druid friend says that he losses all the armor from his staff when he gets disarmed |
| 12:02.42 | Orionshock | really? |
| 12:02.45 | Orionshock | interesting |
| 12:04.39 | Kivin | I return |
| 12:04.44 | Srosh | You can get disarmed in bear/cat form? |
| 12:04.58 | Orionshock | i know but it has no real effect |
| 12:05.43 | Kivin | Orion, what am i looking at here |
| 12:05.56 | Orionshock | a "profile" copyier |
| 12:06.16 | Diao | yes you can |
| 12:06.18 | Kivin | is this to get around the bugs in the rock ui? |
| 12:06.24 | Diao | however if you tank without a weapon you can't get disarmed |
| 12:07.12 | Orionshock | Kivin: it was initaly intended for being able to copy out profiles for compilation distribution.. but it would work just the same. |
| 12:07.33 | Kivin | I see |
| 12:08.53 | Kivin | sigh... half done converting this 700-line config table |
| 12:09.08 | Kivin | probably would have been faster to write a bloody regex |
| 12:09.10 | Orionshock | yarrg, how long does it take to get things approved at wowi |
| 12:10.58 | Diao | hm |
| 12:11.06 | nevcairiel | anything from 5 minutes to a few hours, depending on the time you submit it :P |
| 12:11.10 | Diao | how much of a hunter/shaman/feral druid's damage comes from white damage? |
| 12:11.19 | Diao | i know rogues and warriors hover around 40-60% in raids |
| 12:11.25 | Orionshock | feral druid; like a good 50% |
| 12:11.35 | Diao | o_O really? |
| 12:11.42 | Orionshock | ya :\ |
| 12:11.46 | Diao | i thought most of their damage came from the mangle -> shred/rip |
| 12:11.51 | Kivin | hunter without pet: 80%+ |
| 12:12.01 | Orionshock | Diao: lolz |
| 12:12.07 | Orionshock | ever play a druid? |
| 12:12.11 | Diao | only pre-bc |
| 12:12.17 | Diao | never since bc started |
| 12:12.30 | Orionshock | well we still suck |
| 12:12.46 | Kivin | shaman in ele/resto: < 0-10%. in enhance 30%-80% depending on situation |
| 12:12.51 | Orionshock | in about 30 mins we'll be doing prince and i'll be dpsing as a feral druid |
| 12:13.02 | Orionshock | i'll throw up a dm on pastey |
| 12:13.07 | Diao | k |
| 12:14.04 | vithos | hunter without pet is 50% white damage; with pet, 35% (beast mastery) |
| 12:14.13 | Diao | hmm |
| 12:14.18 | Diao | looking at wws |
| 12:14.25 | Kivin | my hunter is just shy of lv50 and his pet does 46% of his total dmg |
| 12:14.30 | Diao | feral druid on illidan did 37% melee white |
| 12:14.37 | Diao | 37% shred, 12% rip, 12% mangle |
| 12:14.50 | vithos | with BT gear, my pet is 28% of my dps |
| 12:14.55 | Orionshock | http://ace.pastey.net/76959 |
| 12:14.57 | Orionshock | hunter |
| 12:15.08 | Grum | Kivin: because you dont have steadyshot yet :) |
| 12:15.22 | Diao | yeah |
| 12:15.24 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.25 | Diao | in raid situation |
| 12:15.55 | Iceroth | feral white dmg is roughly 1/3 |
| 12:17.11 | Diao | mm |
| 12:17.14 | Kivin | sigh... can't wait for tuesday. maybe leveling these lowbies will be less painful |
| 12:17.18 | Diao | debating atm whether to give everyone same priority on DST |
| 12:17.24 | Diao | we've had 3 drop in a row so far |
| 12:17.25 | Diao | lol |
| 12:17.37 | Kivin | dst? |
| 12:17.40 | Diao | dragonspine |
| 12:17.41 | Orionshock | DST? |
| 12:17.44 | Diao | off gruul |
| 12:17.48 | Diao | the haste trinket |
| 12:17.53 | Grum | that trinket is seriously mad |
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| 12:18.02 | Diao | so far on dkp it's been rogues and warriors on top |
| 12:18.08 | Diao | so it's gone only to them first |
| 12:18.22 | Grum | its superb for hunters as well |
| 12:18.43 | Kivin | i've raided as a rogue and i wouldn't be offended if that went to a hunter |
| 12:18.46 | Diao | well |
| 12:18.49 | Diao | my reasoning for it was |
| 12:18.58 | Diao | combat rogues and warriors benefit more overall |
| 12:19.02 | Diao | due to combat potency/rage |
| 12:19.08 | Diao | allowing them to use extra attacks more |
| 12:19.13 | Grum | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28830 <-- DST .. but *very* comparable: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28288 |
| 12:19.31 | Kivin | yeah, my shaman has the abacus |
| 12:19.34 | Diao | abacus is a good trinket |
| 12:19.41 | Kivin | using that with the bladefist trinket |
| 12:19.42 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.44 | Diao | but DST can chain proc which makes it much better |
| 12:19.50 | Grum | yup |
| 12:19.56 | Grum | but also a pain to get :) |
| 12:20.06 | Diao | not for us apparently lol |
| 12:20.11 | Diao | 3/3 so far |
| 12:20.15 | Diao | and no shield for me :( |
| 12:20.18 | Grum | i wonder when they nref that trinket |
| 12:20.26 | Grum | give it a cooldown of 1 minute orso O.o |
| 12:20.30 | Diao | already did with the haste reduction |
| 12:20.33 | Grum | like nearly every other 'good' trinket |
| 12:20.35 | Diao | :( |
| 12:20.36 | vithos | DST? it's already been nerfed |
| 12:20.41 | vithos | it has an internal cooldown |
| 12:20.43 | Diao | well all haste was nerfed |
| 12:20.51 | Grum | vithos: it can still chain |
| 12:20.56 | vithos | no, it can't |
| 12:21.03 | Grum | then diao is lying! |
| 12:21.15 | vithos | it has a 20 second cooldown |
| 12:21.18 | Grum | quickly, steal his soul |
| 12:21.19 | vithos | 1.7 ppm |
| 12:21.27 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r681 10/trunk/ControlFreak/ (Config.lua ControlFreak.lua ConfigDB.lua): |
| 12:21.27 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: ControlFreak |
| 12:21.27 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: * Better handling of profile changes |
| 12:21.27 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: * Fixed combat warning showing when it shouldn't |
| 12:21.27 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: * Default profiles are now reloaded the moment they are deleted, instead of only on load |
| 12:21.30 | Grum | still mad |
| 12:21.33 | Diao | i haven't used it personally |
| 12:21.45 | Diao | i'd have to ask my guildies who have it |
| 12:21.52 | vithos | but it's still better than even the exaulted BT trinket |
| 12:21.52 | Diao | when was it nerfed? |
| 12:21.57 | Grum | combine that one with http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30627 (Tsunami Talisman) and you have a really sick hunterset of trinkets :) |
| 12:21.58 | vithos | many weeks ago |
| 12:22.00 | Kivin | speaking of haste, i need to replace the crappy haste meta i socketed in my helm |
| 12:22.15 | Diao | i'm kind of surprised that no comments on wowhead have referenced the nerf |
| 12:22.23 | Diao | yeah |
| 12:22.24 | Diao | rogues are lucky |
| 12:22.29 | Diao | their class trinket from VR is ridiculously good |
| 12:22.54 | Diao | DST/that trinket is the best they can get pretty much i think? |
| 12:22.59 | Kivin | VR? |
| 12:23.02 | Grum | fora hunter, yeah |
| 12:23.02 | Diao | void reaver |
| 12:23.22 | Diao | warp-spring coil |
| 12:23.28 | vithos | Diao: one has; search "cooldown" on the comments |
| 12:23.45 | Grum | Warp-Spring Coil - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30450 ? |
| 12:23.53 | Grum | 1000 armor is insane |
| 12:24.08 | Diao | yep |
| 12:24.26 | vithos | yeah, lol@how bad the hunter one is off alar |
| 12:24.27 | Diao | i did vithos :o |
| 12:24.46 | Diao | there's no reference to internal cd |
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| 12:24.51 | Diao | oh wait |
| 12:24.53 | vithos | search "20 second" then, i can't copy/paste to this |
| 12:24.53 | Diao | 2.2 thing |
| 12:24.54 | Diao | nm |
| 12:24.58 | Diao | yeah i found it |
| 12:25.12 | Diao | 20sec cd is not bad |
| 12:25.17 | Diao | considering it's up for 10 sec |
| 12:25.24 | Diao | you can potentially have it up 50% |
| 12:25.46 | vithos | it's a 31.04% uptime for me |
| 12:27.31 | Grum | haha people totally spit on 'Talon of Al'ar' :D |
| 12:27.39 | Grum | because it doesnt affect autoshots |
| 12:28.06 | Grum | which is stupid - seeing that any other class trinket does get effect on 'white dmg' |
| 12:28.12 | Diao | look at the warrior one |
| 12:28.15 | Diao | it's terrible |
| 12:28.16 | Diao | lol |
| 12:28.20 | Grum | what drops it? |
| 12:28.37 | Diao | solarian |
| 12:28.56 | Diao | our 5 point talent does more than that trinket.. |
| 12:29.09 | Diao | not to mention affects 2 abilities, not just 1 |
| 12:29.11 | Etern | Grum: it used to be an insane trinket, then it got the nerfed to hell :/ |
| 12:29.22 | CIA-7 | 03eggi * r54332 10KeyProfiler/core.lua: |
| 12:29.22 | CIA-7 | KeyProfiler: |
| 12:29.22 | CIA-7 | -- Fixed a bug with the coloring of the tooltip |
| 12:29.22 | CIA-7 | -- Added the possibility to change profiles on target change (including mouse over) |
| 12:29.45 | Arrowmaster | the warlock one from solarian is perty stupid too |
| 12:29.51 | Diao | warlock one is amazing for demo locks |
| 12:29.56 | Diao | terrible for everyone else |
| 12:30.04 | vithos | my current spreadsheet dps is 1597.70. taking out the DST is -67.33 dps |
| 12:30.08 | Arrowmaster | no it still sucks for pve |
| 12:30.23 | Etern | Diao: brilliant for locks tanking :) |
| 12:30.26 | Diao | yeah |
| 12:30.32 | Arrowmaster | umm no |
| 12:30.44 | Arrowmaster | it only increases the pets resistances |
| 12:30.48 | Grum | Earring of Soulful Meditation for priests is good :) |
| 12:31.05 | Grum | well not shadooms obviously |
| 12:31.25 | Etern | Arrowmaster: yes, but since damage is split between pet and warlock it helps keep the pet alive |
| 12:31.34 | Arrowmaster | no it doesnt help at all |
| 12:31.41 | Etern | :o |
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| 12:31.54 | Arrowmaster | since thats soullink doing that |
| 12:32.28 | Arrowmaster | and im like 99% sure that soullink damage to the pet cant be effected by resistances |
| 12:33.17 | Etern | alright. But what's the reason for using felpuppy while tanking leotheras then? |
| 12:33.28 | Diao | it increases the warlock's resist |
| 12:33.29 | Diao | lol |
| 12:33.38 | Etern | ah :) |
| 12:34.21 | Diao | MD increases the lock's resist by 70 when felhound is out or something |
| 12:34.32 | Etern | my highest warlock is 24 :p I just assumed that they took it for tanking, seeing as all of them are affli or destro specced when they're not tanking :) |
| 12:34.39 | Etern | gotcha |
| 12:34.58 | Arrowmaster | just checked WWS for our last leo kill, all soullink damage was unmitigated |
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| 12:35.21 | Diao | ah |
| 12:35.25 | Etern | k, gues I was just makign false assumptions then |
| 12:35.30 | Etern | *guess |
| 12:35.48 | Arrowmaster | the t5 warlock trinket is 100% pvp and 0% pve |
| 12:35.56 | Diao | i remember reading something about getting VST and 2 piece t5 for demo pve locks |
| 12:36.01 | Diao | on EJ forums |
| 12:36.11 | Arrowmaster | wtf? |
| 12:36.29 | Orionshock | Diao: http://ace.pastey.net/76960 |
| 12:36.33 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.44 | Diao | http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t17008-warlock_pve_raiding_compendium/ |
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| 12:38.11 | Diao | o_O |
| 12:38.14 | Diao | you don't shred much orion? |
| 12:38.58 | Diao | mangle should only be used to refresh the debuff iirc, shred should be most of your damage :o |
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| 12:40.35 | Orionshock | sorry i've done the rotations and.. nothing hits consistantly ever |
| 12:40.46 | Kivin | what does your DPS clock out at? |
| 12:40.49 | Orionshock | EVER - nothing his for more than ~600 ever |
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| 12:42.17 | Orionshock | my dps clocks at ~300 - 400ish with all my dot ticking |
| 12:42.21 | Orionshock | iirc |
| 12:42.37 | Kivin | hmm |
| 12:42.40 | Orionshock | needless to say i tank more than dps |
| 12:42.44 | Kivin | yeah |
| 12:42.48 | Kivin | that isn't terrible though |
| 12:42.56 | Orionshock | ... |
| 12:43.07 | Kivin | i don't know how geared you are |
| 12:43.29 | Orionshock | !c us Nagrand Atradies |
| 12:43.32 | ThraeBot | Orionshock: Atradies, Level 70 Tauren Druid (5/49/7). 7947 HP; 5165 Mana; 109 mana regen; 3913 Armour; 1064 AP; 143.200 Melee DPS; 17.54% melee crit; 89 melee hit; 24.78% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10); +33 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 1346 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yp8o4j ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3yn9cy ][ Updated: Sun Nov 11 03:48:41 2007 EST ]] |
| 12:44.27 | Orionshock | looks like my tank gear |
| 12:44.30 | Orionshock | unbuffed |
| 12:45.03 | Kivin | 1k ap 17% crit... crit is kinda low |
| 12:45.36 | Kivin | unless it changes when you shift to cat |
| 12:45.44 | nevcairiel | it gets you 5% |
| 12:45.48 | nevcairiel | but its still kinda low |
| 12:46.11 | Diao | hmm |
| 12:46.35 | Kivin | get that gear gemmed, even if it's just with trash uncommons |
| 12:46.50 | Diao | yea |
| 12:47.13 | Kivin | wont be a huge difference, but empty gem slots make me cry with sad |
| 12:47.33 | Diao | pick up everbloom idol |
| 12:47.37 | Diao | makes a big diff in shred |
| 12:47.37 | Diao | :P |
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| 12:48.12 | Orionshock | i don't arena |
| 12:48.15 | Orionshock | fuck it to hell |
| 12:48.24 | Diao | o_O |
| 12:48.28 | Kivin | lol |
| 12:48.29 | Diao | everbloom is from badges |
| 12:48.35 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.43 | Diao | 15 badges |
| 12:48.44 | Diao | :P |
| 12:49.22 | Orionshock | oh and Fk heroics |
| 12:49.28 | Kivin | o.o |
| 12:49.40 | Diao | lol |
| 12:49.43 | Kivin | so your week basically looks like, what... kara, kara, kara, kara, kara, kara, kara |
| 12:49.48 | Diao | 3 mech runs :( |
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| 12:52.09 | Orionshock | toss between kara and dailies |
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| 12:59.28 | Orionshock | LOL Uni-Mind Headdress on a holy pally |
| 12:59.34 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.16 | _dreamss | one day u see +hit to help with "ressists" |
| 13:00.44 | Diao | o_O |
| 13:01.13 | Matrix110 | i actually wonder that there are no healing parts with hit created by blizzard:P |
| 13:01.39 | _dreamss | hehe |
| 13:02.00 | _dreamss | my shield with +arcane dmg was ftw |
| 13:04.19 | Diao | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostmane&n=Org <- pro |
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| 13:07.18 | Grum | lol |
| 13:07.24 | Grum | that is a lot of resist :D |
| 13:09.37 | Wobin | sigh |
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| 13:09.43 | Wobin | I had a warlock in my SH run |
| 13:09.46 | Wobin | with a healing trinket |
| 13:10.04 | Wobin | or rather, a +heal trinket |
| 13:10.24 | Wobin | -and- he rolled need on the healing gloves at the end |
| 13:10.39 | Ellipsis | well they were an upgrade! |
| 13:10.39 | Etern | feel sorry for your healer :/ |
| 13:11.27 | Diao | lol |
| 13:12.34 | Wobin | oh our healer was a t5 pally |
| 13:12.54 | Wobin | or... no... she wasn't |
| 13:13.06 | Wobin | oh man I can't remember =P |
| 13:13.23 | Wobin | anyway |
| 13:13.33 | Wobin | the rest of us were overpowered to the point where it worked |
| 13:13.43 | Wobin | thankfully |
| 13:13.50 | Wobin | oh yeah, it was aka, he's a healing pally |
| 13:13.56 | Wobin | so he didn't need the cloth |
| 13:14.01 | Wobin | (in that case) |
| 13:14.14 | Wobin | and it finally got me revered |
| 13:14.21 | Wobin | even though I could have waited til tuesday |
| 13:14.23 | Diao | lol |
| 13:14.31 | Wobin | but jesus =( |
| 13:14.40 | Wobin | It's going to be hard to find good heroic pugs now |
| 13:16.43 | Wobin | hm |
| 13:16.47 | Wobin | new AH categories |
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| 13:17.53 | Fisker- | gonna be awesome with instant AH scan as well |
| 13:18.20 | Orionshock | Fisker-: how is that going to work tho? |
| 13:18.22 | Grum | how can you add an empty line in a Tablet ? O.o |
| 13:18.33 | Orionshock | is it going to return an ugly huge ass table to be itterated though? |
| 13:18.36 | Fisker- | Orionshock i have no idea |
| 13:18.36 | Wobin | addline? |
| 13:18.38 | Fisker- | Probably |
| 13:18.40 | Wobin | with no argument? |
| 13:18.43 | Wobin | or something? |
| 13:19.23 | Orionshock | ya just addline w/o an arg |
| 13:21.35 | Grum | k, would also be lovely to get some space between the 'tick' and text right of it :P |
| 13:21.41 | Fisker- | * UPDATED - QueryAuctionItems(name, minLevel, maxLevel, invType, class, subClass, page, isUsable, quality, [getAll]) -- Added a new boolean argument, setting it to true will retrieve all auction house data (not just 50 items). This can only be used once every 15 minutes. This is intended to reduce our load from add-ons such as auctioneer that are going to download the entire auction house anyways. |
| 13:21.43 | Grum | hmmm maybe just a space added in front of the text mmmm |
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| 13:26.19 | Chompers | Fisker- |
| 13:26.22 | Chompers | Crysis baby |
| 13:26.24 | Chompers | gogog |
| 13:26.32 | Orionshock | so it'll return all of the given search or can u do a tbl = QueryAuctionItems(true) and get everythign |
| 13:28.20 | clad|sleep | Orionshock: why are you assuming its going to give you a table. |
| 13:28.26 | clad|sleep | why wouldn't it use the AH api like it does currently |
| 13:28.27 | clad|sleep | O.o |
| 13:28.43 | Orionshock | guessing tbh |
| 13:28.49 | cladhaire | well i suspect you're wrong |
| 13:28.50 | Orionshock | never worked with the AH api |
| 13:28.55 | cladhaire | that would be a complete reimplementation of teh AH |
| 13:29.17 | cladhaire | almost everything in teh API has a function like this: GetNumAuctionItems |
| 13:29.17 | Fisker- | old news Chompers |
| 13:29.21 | cladhaire | and another like this: GetAuctionItemInfo |
| 13:29.28 | cladhaire | so you iterate the result list, and query the informatino from the server |
| 13:29.33 | cladhaire | it doesn't just ship mass info to you |
| 13:30.55 | Orionshock | like i said - never worked with the ah api... maybe i'll go read up on.. |
| 13:31.00 | Orionshock | *it |
| 13:41.08 | CIA-7 | 03anxarces * r54333 10TitanProfessions/ (10 files): |
| 13:41.08 | CIA-7 | TitanProfessions: inital commit |
| 13:41.08 | CIA-7 | - Inital release |
| 13:45.35 | CIA-7 | 03scythxiii * r54334 10Antagonist/ (. Antagonist.toc): |
| 13:45.35 | CIA-7 | Antagonist: |
| 13:45.35 | CIA-7 | - Updated toc |
| 13:45.39 | Wobin | hehe |
| 13:45.46 | Wobin | guild name <DON'T DAZE ME BRO> |
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| 13:49.55 | CIA-7 | 03anxarces * r54335 10TitanProfessions/: |
| 13:49.55 | CIA-7 | TitanProfessions: |
| 13:49.55 | CIA-7 | - Release including libraries |
| 13:54.49 | Etern | Is there any way to make Quartz load at log in and not when I cast the first spell? |
| 13:55.04 | Ellipsis | yeah, change the settings in your lod manager |
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| 13:56.46 | Etern | Ellipsis: of course, thanks :) |
| 13:58.54 | Fisker- | 37 minutes Chompers |
| 13:59.01 | Fisker- | or should i say N00B? |
| 13:59.42 | vithos | Wobin: lol, did a gruul run yesterday with someone in a guild of that name |
| 14:00.26 | Fisker- | tempting vithos |
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| 14:07.37 | Tsetse | is pytr up? |
| 14:07.41 | Tsetse | ptr |
| 14:09.06 | Chompers | Fisker- - expect a fix for it |
| 14:09.10 | Chompers | it crashes |
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| 14:10.38 | Industrial | how the f00k do I capture Plaguewood Tower? |
| 14:11.25 | Ellipsis | with a really big net? |
| 14:12.25 | Industrial | ~lart Ellipsis |
| 14:12.25 | purl | decapitates Ellipsis conan the destroyer style |
| 14:12.29 | Ellipsis | =[ |
| 14:12.40 | Industrial | no, I don't get that statusbar |
| 14:12.45 | Industrial | its not shifting to horde |
| 14:12.46 | Industrial | :< |
| 14:12.49 | Tsetse | two 7s oughta cap it |
| 14:12.50 | Industrial | got the 3 other towers |
| 14:13.07 | Tsetse | perhaps there be an enemy nearby |
| 14:13.11 | Industrial | no |
| 14:13.21 | Industrial | Im not getting that statusbar |
| 14:13.25 | Industrial | and im inside |
| 14:13.25 | Ellipsis | maybe it just doesn't like you |
| 14:13.28 | Ellipsis | are you flagged? |
| 14:13.32 | Industrial | yes pvp server |
| 14:13.39 | Ellipsis | well that's dumb |
| 14:13.42 | Ellipsis | play pve with the cool kids <3 |
| 14:14.04 | Industrial | .. |
| 14:14.11 | Industrial | anyway yeah needed mroe then one in there |
| 14:15.24 | Ellipsis | yuo no lubs? :( |
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| 14:19.26 | Wobin | you're unstealthed? |
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| 14:26.37 | Wobin | hehe, cladhaire embraces all that is about british schooling =) |
| 14:27.26 | clad|rowing | Wobin: :P |
| 14:27.44 | Wobin | true, no? =) |
| 14:28.01 | clad|rowing | well i was gonna do this sport |
| 14:28.03 | clad|rowing | err |
| 14:28.04 | clad|rowing | a sport |
| 14:28.10 | clad|rowing | and i just chose this one :P |
| 14:28.45 | Xinhuan | patch download lol, 222 mb -> 275 mb for background downloader |
| 14:29.06 | kenlyric_ | rowing is a sport exactly like skydiving is. |
| 14:29.36 | kenlyric_ | newton does most of the work! |
| 14:29.54 | kenlyric_ | rowing should go upstream. |
| 14:29.59 | kenlyric_ | in rapids |
| 14:30.25 | Wobin | like reverse white water rafting? |
| 14:30.25 | kenlyric_ | but in a rickety rowboat |
| 14:32.41 | CIA-7 | 03Firik * r54336 10BunchOfBars/Range/Range.lua: |
| 14:32.41 | CIA-7 | BunchOfBars: |
| 14:32.41 | CIA-7 | - using Lesser Heal instead of Flash Heal cause it's a level 1 spell |
| 14:33.48 | kenlyric_ | pros use lesser heal. |
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| 14:43.19 | Iceroth | what other addons like EavesDrop there are? and which do you like most? |
| 14:43.47 | Ellipsis | other addons like eavesdrop? o.O |
| 14:44.00 | Ellipsis | the closest thing I can think of is SimpleCombatLog, but even that's quite a bit different |
| 14:44.21 | haste | wasn't there something called battlechat? |
| 14:44.27 | Iceroth | iirc yeah |
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| 14:45.03 | CIA-7 | 03toadkiller * r54337 10PeriodicTable-3.0/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 14:45.03 | CIA-7 | PeriodicTable-3.0: |
| 14:45.03 | CIA-7 | -- 32768 Reins of the Raven Lord |
| 14:45.03 | CIA-7 | -- 33053:7500 moved to fish.combo |
| 14:45.03 | CIA-7 | -- ornate spyglass-5507, explosive sheep-4384, Colossal Parachute-10684, edit2:Horn of Hatetalon-9530 |
| 14:45.05 | Iceroth | i just can't seem to be able to configure my scl to my liking, i get useless stuff like VE heals from other players still :-/ |
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| 14:57.37 | Fisker- | Chompers i still hate you |
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| 14:59.38 | Industrial | 125kxp /sigh |
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| 15:01.35 | Obelixprime | is there a way to query the server to get an itemid in your local cache so you can gurantee that when you use GetItemInfo it will return the item |
| 15:02.12 | Orionshock | is there an easy way to know if your able to turn a quest in? |
| 15:02.30 | kenlyric_ | most mods if you click on the number it will query the server. |
| 15:02.53 | kenlyric_ | at least that's how cart loots works and pt3browser. |
| 15:05.01 | nevcairiel | Orionshock: GetQuestLogTitle returns a "isComplete", which generally means you can turn it in |
| 15:05.20 | Wobin | Toadkiller: I was wondering, are the Unstable flasks in PT3? |
| 15:06.05 | Orionshock | .. if i have the items in the bank tho - it still returns true |
| 15:06.17 | Orionshock | the NPC however knows the difference |
| 15:06.26 | Orionshock | and im trying to find out how |
| 15:06.40 | nevcairiel | the NPC is smarter then you? |
| 15:07.06 | MoonWitch | uhm does anyone know if ckk is still active? I've not seen him in quite a while |
| 15:09.07 | Lukian | lol |
| 15:10.15 | nevcairiel | Orionshock: IsQuestCompletable(), only works on the quest selected by SelectActiveQuest() |
| 15:12.15 | _rane | which addon would you suggest for tracking arena matches? |
| 15:12.36 | Orionshock | nevcairiel: try again |
| 15:12.48 | Orionshock | all returns nill |
| 15:12.48 | _rane | there's something called ArenaHistory but seems it's not ready |
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| 15:14.16 | nevcairiel | Orionshock: may only work when in gossip with a quest npc |
| 15:14.17 | Amadeo | morning! |
| 15:14.33 | Orionshock | IsQuestCompletable() returns 1 at the Quest_Complete window |
| 15:16.42 | Orionshock | Something on the gossip frame know it's complete and we have all the items in the bag |
| 15:17.53 | nevcairiel | IsQuestCompletable() is whats being called on the gossip frame to enable/disable the complete button |
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| 15:20.55 | Orionshock | i know |
| 15:21.04 | Orionshock | so i can do a simple check there |
| 15:21.29 | Orionshock | but i want to know what makes it a gray ? on the first page vs a yellow one |
| 15:21.49 | Orionshock | hell if i could read the icon that would work |
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| 15:24.10 | Orionshock | ? there is a :SetTexture; but no GetTexture? |
| 15:24.51 | nevcairiel | in 2.3 PTR GetGossipActiveQuests() seems to return that status |
| 15:25.12 | nevcairiel | at least it does some color changing |
| 15:26.27 | Orionshock | ? |
| 15:26.32 | Orionshock | >.> |
| 15:26.43 | Orionshock | im looking at the wdn atm |
| 15:26.50 | Orionshock | im seeing the vertext change |
| 15:26.56 | nevcairiel | it seems like you cant do that without standing at the NPC |
| 15:27.03 | nevcairiel | if you want that |
| 15:27.25 | Orionshock | ... what i don't understand is that :GetTexture and GetVertexColor all return the same Fn' thing for active and active-waiting turn in |
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| 15:33.26 | Orionshock | ? |
| 15:34.11 | Orionshock | IsDesaturated() is 1 for active and nill for waiting turn in ...? |
| 15:34.19 | Orionshock | :D |
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| 15:38.12 | Orionshock | let's see if this theory works :D |
| 15:39.57 | Orionshock | perfect |
| 15:41.20 | Orionshock | why incorperate all that ugly bag scanning / quest futzing... |
| 15:41.29 | Orionshock | just ask if the icon is Desaturated... |
| 15:44.22 | Ellipsis | um...there's a proper way? |
| 15:45.09 | Orionshock | oh? |
| 15:45.26 | Orionshock | is it a hack, yes |
| 15:45.30 | Orionshock | i know |
| 15:46.37 | Orionshock | Basically i want to know if i can turn in a quest, having completed all the objectives, and have all the materials on me to turn in, with out having to iterate and fuck over the quest log or scan my bags. |
| 15:47.03 | Orionshock | is that so much to ask for? |
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| 15:50.03 | Ellipsis | Orionshock - IsInventoryItemLocked() doesn't work in bags? |
| 15:50.21 | Pkekyo | what the hell is the point of having a scope on a close-combat weapon? >.< |
| 15:50.30 | Ellipsis | because you can! |
| 15:50.45 | Orionshock | wtf is IsInventoryItemLocked()? |
| 15:50.54 | Pkekyo | Ellipsis: makes no sense >.< |
| 15:51.20 | Pkekyo | a fucking 10x scope on a bloody sawed-off shotgun? gAH |
| 15:51.51 | nevcairiel | you can use it to spot your enemys, then run to them, and shoot! |
| 15:52.01 | Xinhuan | an item that is "greyed out" is locked, Orionshock |
| 15:52.18 | Orionshock | sorry Ellipsis that requires 1) to itterate though the bags, 2) to have a list of the required mats for each quest when not all quests have something to turn in |
| 15:52.33 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.49 | Xinhuan | say when you pick up an item to mail or AH it and you put the item in the slot in the AH window or the mail window |
| 15:53.00 | Xinhuan | that item slot in the bags become "locked" - sort of |
| 15:53.04 | Orionshock | Xinhuan: i lrn2wiki long time ago :D |
| 15:53.10 | Xinhuan | pfft |
| 15:53.18 | Ellipsis | Orionshock: uh...what? |
| 15:53.29 | Ellipsis | if you are checking if the item's texture is desaturated, isn't that the exact same thing? |
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| 15:53.42 | Orionshock | Basically i want to know if i can turn in a quest, having completed all the objectives, and have all the materials on me to turn in, _with out having to iterate and fuck over the quest log or scan my bags_ |
| 15:54.14 | Orionshock | no |
| 15:54.30 | Orionshock | (getglobal("GossipTitleButton"..qi.."GossipIcon"):IsDesaturated() == nil) |
| 15:54.41 | Ellipsis | oh |
| 15:54.43 | Ellipsis | wow |
| 15:54.46 | Ellipsis | that's...umm |
| 15:54.53 | Orionshock | say it with me: |
| 15:54.57 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.06 | Ellipsis | why do you use a hack? |
| 15:55.26 | Orionshock | because i don't want to futz with the quest log or put in the bag scanning loop |
| 15:55.30 | Ellipsis | um |
| 15:55.31 | Xinhuan | he does it to avoid writing code that is 10x more complicated |
| 15:55.34 | Ellipsis | I'm really lost |
| 15:55.48 | Ellipsis | what's wrong with IsQuestCompletable()? |
| 15:56.08 | Orionshock | that api only returns true on the very last page |
| 15:56.13 | Ellipsis | and? |
| 15:56.14 | Orionshock | witch is not useful to me |
| 15:56.20 | Orionshock | i want to know on the first page |
| 15:56.35 | Ellipsis | but... |
| 15:56.42 | Ellipsis | brb, checking ingame |
| 15:56.52 | Xinhuan | its a valid hack, i admit |
| 15:56.58 | Orionshock | http://shock-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/SickOfClickingDailies/core.lua |
| 15:57.01 | Orionshock | near the bottom |
| 15:57.24 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.33 | Ellipsis | I'm not sure I understand how your code works |
| 15:57.46 | Xinhuan | note that the "hack" doesn't check your bags - which means that if the quest requires you to turn in 40 netherwing crystals, and you have 28 in your bags and 12 in your bank |
| 15:57.50 | Ellipsis | what's the whole "GossipTitleButtonXGossipIcon" actually correspond to? |
| 15:57.55 | Xinhuan | the quest text in the log will still be desaturated |
| 15:58.08 | Xinhuan | and the quest log will say the quest "can be turned in" |
| 15:58.10 | Orionshock | BINGO |
| 15:58.16 | Xinhuan | but you actually can't cos the 12 items is in the bank |
| 15:58.30 | Xinhuan | just keep that in mind! |
| 15:58.42 | Xinhuan | because many people keep partiallycollected stuff for the next day's quest |
| 15:59.04 | Ellipsis | this whole thing sounds like a giant mess of blizrad |
| 15:59.05 | Ellipsis | >_> |
| 15:59.07 | Orionshock | yep and if we can't turn anything in - to stop on the first page! |
| 15:59.32 | Ellipsis | Orionshock: please answer my question, I'm really curious now :P |
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| 15:59.42 | Xinhuan | i'm just pointing out that the "hack" works, except in that circumstance, so you just need to be aware that such an issue exists :) |
| 15:59.44 | Orionshock | ? |
| 15:59.53 | Ellipsis | [7:55:20 am] <Ellipsis> what's the whole "GossipTitleButtonXGossipIcon" actually correspond to? |
| 16:00.05 | Ellipsis | I assume this icon that's getting grayed out is visible somewhere in the UI |
| 16:00.06 | Orionshock | Xinhuan: oh no - the icon is still gray if u have crap in your bank |
| 16:00.40 | Orionshock | when talking to an NCP Ellipsis the icon next to the quest title |
| 16:00.58 | Orionshock | Xinhuan: i know this - i tested |
| 16:01.01 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.04 | Ellipsis | the little yellow !? |
| 16:01.14 | Orionshock | no the gray / yellow '?" |
| 16:01.21 | Orionshock | just the ? |
| 16:01.33 | Ellipsis | erm |
| 16:01.42 | Orionshock | b/c the ! will ALWAYS be yellow, if it was "gray" then it wouldn't be an option |
| 16:01.46 | Ellipsis | guess I'd have to do dailies to understand this |
| 16:01.51 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 16:01.58 | Ellipsis | I didn't know the ? icon greyed itself |
| 16:01.59 | Xinhuan | its nothing to do with dailies |
| 16:02.02 | Orionshock | Ellipsis: nope - standard quest interaction |
| 16:02.08 | Xinhuan | just standard quest stuff |
| 16:02.20 | Ellipsis | but what I mean is |
| 16:02.25 | Ellipsis | I thought the dailies showed up like repeatables |
| 16:02.32 | Ellipsis | meaning they gave "!" all the time |
| 16:02.47 | Orionshock | when doing quests in general - turning them in, you talk to the npc - if it's a gray ? you can't turn it in, not all objectives are complete or you don't have the required mats on you |
| 16:02.54 | Xinhuan | its a daily quest, so the ! only shows up if you haven't done it that day |
| 16:02.59 | Xinhuan | it will probably change next patch in 2.3 to a Blue ! as well |
| 16:03.00 | Orionshock | nope dailie quests are pickup and drop off |
| 16:03.01 | Ellipsis | I did not know that dailies worked like regular quests instead of repeatable |
| 16:03.05 | Ellipsis | that's all |
| 16:03.20 | Xinhuan | youv'e done brewfest daily Ellipsis? |
| 16:03.22 | Xinhuan | the barker one |
| 16:03.23 | Ellipsis | no |
| 16:03.37 | Xinhuan | dailies quest are exactly like normal quests |
| 16:03.39 | Ellipsis | the only daily I did was horseman, and that doesn't let you click when you're done |
| 16:03.40 | Xinhuan | the ! appears once a day |
| 16:03.41 | Ellipsis | so :P |
| 16:03.52 | Xinhuan | and when you complete it, the ! disappears |
| 16:03.57 | Xinhuan | and comes back the next day |
| 16:04.07 | Xinhuan | and its yellow - changing to blue next patch i thnk |
| 16:04.15 | nevcairiel | yep its blue ! in 2.3 |
| 16:04.18 | Ellipsis | yes, I know |
| 16:04.23 | Ellipsis | I get it now |
| 16:04.23 | Orionshock | blue ? yellow? who cares |
| 16:04.27 | Ellipsis | you can stop explaining anytime :P |
| 16:04.32 | Orionshock | one is saturated and the other is not |
| 16:04.35 | Xinhuan | no idea about the ? whether it'll be blue or not ;p |
| 16:04.44 | nevcairiel | probably will |
| 16:04.54 | nevcairiel | but then again, blue ? already was mass-turn in |
| 16:05.01 | Orionshock | 20$ says yes |
| 16:05.11 | Xinhuan | aren't they changing it so you can still pick up the daily even if you've already done it that day? |
| 16:05.16 | Xinhuan | you justc an't turn it in a 2nd time |
| 16:05.22 | Xinhuan | so you might have to check for that |
| 16:05.28 | Ellipsis | so um, I'm still a bit confused |
| 16:05.29 | Fisker- | haha Chompers |
| 16:05.30 | nevcairiel | you can pickup dailys if youve done your 10 |
| 16:05.31 | Fisker- | i win |
| 16:05.34 | nevcairiel | not dailys you did |
| 16:05.36 | nevcairiel | afaik |
| 16:05.41 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 16:05.43 | Ellipsis | how does someone know that the quest they're on is a daily (pre-blue-!)? |
| 16:05.45 | Xinhuan | i get it now |
| 16:05.55 | Xinhuan | Ellipsis: the quest log will say (Daily) |
| 16:05.59 | Orionshock | Ellipsis: it's a flag in the quest log |
| 16:06.01 | Xinhuan | instead of (Raid) or (PvP) or (Dungeon) |
| 16:06.03 | Ellipsis | but there's no way to know until you accept? |
| 16:06.05 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 16:06.08 | Xinhuan | until next patch |
| 16:06.09 | Ellipsis | that's retarded |
| 16:06.17 | nevcairiel | whats so retarded about it? |
| 16:06.25 | Xinhuan | the hellfire capturing quest says (PvP Daily) |
| 16:06.28 | Xinhuan | if you go do it |
| 16:06.28 | Ellipsis | that you can accept a quest only to find that it's a daily? |
| 16:06.41 | Xinhuan | a quest is a quest, who cares if its a daily? |
| 16:06.46 | Orionshock | yes but if you don't turn it in - it dosn't count agenst you |
| 16:06.51 | Xinhuan | a quest that is a daily is a bonus |
| 16:06.52 | Ellipsis | uh, there is a limit of dailies you can do, yes? |
| 16:07.02 | Xinhuan | yah 10 |
| 16:07.02 | nevcairiel | it only counts as "done" once you turn it in |
| 16:07.05 | nevcairiel | not by accepting |
| 16:07.06 | Xinhuan | but if you don't complete the quest |
| 16:07.08 | Ellipsis | you would probably want to do dailies for whichever faction you're working on |
| 16:07.11 | Orionshock | infact you can pick up every single daily in the game, but nothing counts till it's turned in |
| 16:07.12 | Xinhuan | it doesn't count as being done |
| 16:07.19 | Xinhuan | you can pick up all 14 daily quests in the game |
| 16:07.22 | Xinhuan | but only turn in 10 |
| 16:07.27 | Ellipsis | yes but the fact that you have to accept it to find out that it's a daily is dumb |
| 16:07.40 | Ellipsis | because I always have a full quest log, only drop something when I need to accept something |
| 16:07.45 | Lukian | that's fixed in 2.3, Ellipsis . |
| 16:07.48 | Xinhuan | Maybe, JUST maybe, its being changed in 2.3 |
| 16:07.56 | Ellipsis | I would walk up to a daily questgiver, drop a quest for it, and then find out it wasn't what I wanted |
| 16:07.58 | Ellipsis | yes, I know |
| 16:08.02 | Ellipsis | that's why I said pre-blue-! |
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| 16:08.09 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.12 | Ellipsis | I'm glad they're fixing it |
| 16:08.12 | nevcairiel | i am 70 for like ever now, and i dont have 5 quests in my log |
| 16:08.15 | nevcairiel | wtf are you doing |
| 16:08.25 | Ellipsis | I always have 25 quests |
| 16:08.33 | Ellipsis | that's just how I roll |
| 16:08.38 | Orionshock | nevcairiel: Ellipsis is prolly still lvling |
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| 16:08.42 | Ellipsis | uh, no |
| 16:08.47 | Ellipsis | I've been 70 for quite some time |
| 16:08.51 | nevcairiel | there are no dailys in leveling areas |
| 16:08.58 | Ellipsis | except hellfire |
| 16:08.58 | Xinhuan | i have 1 quest in my log. it says "Kill Illidan". wanna join me? ^^ |
| 16:08.59 | nevcairiel | afaik, anyway |
| 16:09.09 | nevcairiel | i completed that quest last week, sorry |
| 16:09.09 | Ellipsis | which according to Xinhuan is a PvP daily |
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| 16:09.42 | Xinhuan | ya that quest was changed from a pvp-repeatable quest to a pvp-daily |
| 16:09.56 | Ellipsis | *shrug* I didn't touch it because it was PvP |
| 16:09.59 | Ellipsis | so I don't know |
| 16:10.56 | Orionshock | oh RE: <Ellipsis> this whole thing sounds like a giant mess of blizrad << I defer to the Rock Wiki about Design and it quotes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_by_committee ; & i think that's blizzards problem tbh |
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| 16:11.16 | nevcairiel | hahaha |
| 16:11.20 | Ellipsis | no |
| 16:11.29 | nevcairiel | you seriously want to claim that a one person design would actually improve wow? |
| 16:11.30 | nevcairiel | hahahaha |
| 16:11.33 | Ellipsis | design by committee implies they actually discussed, planned, or really "designed" it |
| 16:11.50 | Ellipsis | everything blizrad does is pretty much a mess of one-person hacks thrown together, imo |
| 16:12.11 | nevcairiel | i suppose you never worked on any software project? |
| 16:12.21 | Ellipsis | me? |
| 16:12.24 | nevcairiel | if you did, you would know thats not true at all |
| 16:12.29 | Orionshock | no i infer that when that committee gets too large .. 100+ that shit hits the fan unimaginably worse. |
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| 16:12.52 | Ellipsis | I shouldn't say "everything" |
| 16:12.59 | Ellipsis | there are some decisions that actually took teamwork and planning |
| 16:13.03 | nevcairiel | I dont think that any part of the game gets passed through that many hands Orionshock |
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| 16:13.12 | Ellipsis | but a majority of the little details were obviously left up to a single dev |
| 16:13.18 | Ellipsis | who did whatever he/she felt like |
| 16:13.26 | Ellipsis | and it ends up being a very inconsistent total picture |
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| 16:13.37 | nevcairiel | the default ui works pretty good |
| 16:13.46 | Ellipsis | yeah, if you don't look at the code |
| 16:13.54 | Orionshock | .. explain the quest log nevcairiel ... ive said may times that iv'e seen bloated fubar plugins written better |
| 16:14.15 | haste | yes, and bloat equals bad code |
| 16:14.20 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:14.27 | Nefarion | whatnow? |
| 16:14.29 | nevcairiel | i can understand the questlog code |
| 16:14.41 | Orionshock | so can i.... |
| 16:15.01 | Nefarion | you guys talking about messy coding in the default ui? |
| 16:15.02 | Orionshock | half ass'ed comes to mind when i read it |
| 16:15.03 | Ellipsis | large chunks of the framexml code should really be thrown out a window and rewritten by someone who knows lua |
| 16:15.24 | Orionshock | & not the actual Lua - it's rather find, but more the API that supports it.. |
| 16:15.36 | KivinSan | At this point, it works, and blizzard stands to gain very little from gutting the code just to rewrite it "neater" |
| 16:15.38 | nevcairiel | the API evolved |
| 16:15.51 | Ellipsis | well of course KivinSan |
| 16:16.02 | Orionshock | i mean ffs WHY include headers into a getquestlogentry() call? |
| 16:16.05 | Ellipsis | I didn't say there was any chance it would happen, just that it really ought to |
| 16:16.07 | Ellipsis | for all our sanity |
| 16:16.08 | nevcairiel | and evolution on a API that trys to stay somewhat backwards compatible, generally ends up in inconsistent code |
| 16:16.33 | Orionshock | ffs, what header it belongs under should be part of that call and the display mech should handle the sorting and what header it belongs under. |
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| 16:17.00 | nevcairiel | why dont you apply for a job there and fix it if you are that good ? :P |
| 16:17.15 | Ellipsis | me? |
| 16:17.42 | Orionshock | lol, im better at presentation and deconstruction analysis than programing |
| 16:17.57 | Ellipsis | honestly, I don't think Blizzard would be willing to pay anyone money to rewrite "perfectly good" code |
| 16:18.00 | Amadeo | I'd fix it, but I wouldn't want to show off |
| 16:18.13 | Ellipsis | and I use the term "perfectly good" as loosely as possible in order to fit their definition |
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| 16:18.29 | nevcairiel | Slouken knows that there is alot of code that would need a rewrite |
| 16:18.32 | Orionshock | Ellipsis: i believe functional is the idea your looking for |
| 16:18.50 | nevcairiel | but there is more to his job then rewriting every part of the base UI |
| 16:18.50 | Amadeo | I think bugs are included on purpose, that way it makes people look forward to the patch that fixes it, so they keep playing! |
| 16:18.52 | Ellipsis | yes Orionshock, that's their definition of perfectly good code :P |
| 16:18.56 | nevcairiel | the base UI works, so what |
| 16:19.06 | Ellipsis | it works..mostly |
| 16:19.16 | Ellipsis | but it causes headaches for us, of course |
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| 16:19.26 | Ellipsis | not that that matters since addons aren't "supported" |
| 16:19.28 | Orionshock | Amadeo: hey now.. none of that idea... it makes too much sense. |
| 16:19.46 | KivinSan | exactly Ellipsis |
| 16:19.54 | nevcairiel | WoW has one of the best addon systems out there, and you still complain that the code doesnt "work for you" |
| 16:19.58 | nevcairiel | you people are silly |
| 16:20.07 | KivinSan | Someone that makes sense. Thank you. |
| 16:20.12 | Ellipsis | I never complained that the code doesn't work for me |
| 16:20.20 | Ellipsis | I said their code causes headaches for us, and really just needs a cleanup |
| 16:20.27 | Ellipsis | you can't disagree with that |
| 16:20.35 | KivinSan | I am disagreeing with that |
| 16:20.37 | Amadeo | WoW addons are awesome, no game can remotely compare |
| 16:20.37 | KivinSan | It works perfectly fine |
| 16:20.39 | Ellipsis | I jump through the hoops of workarounds necessary, and I don't complain |
| 16:20.49 | nevcairiel | every API you work with causes headaches at some point |
| 16:21.04 | nevcairiel | you learn to deal with it when you programm long enough |
| 16:21.06 | Ellipsis | there are different kinds of headaches |
| 16:21.15 | Ellipsis | there's "not tonight, I have a headache" and then there's migraines |
| 16:21.18 | Amadeo | Apply directly to forehead |
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| 16:22.07 | nevcairiel | Sure, some of the code could need a cleanup |
| 16:22.12 | Orionshock | nevcairiel: i think Ellipsis has separated the API from the "Code" meaning the pain and basic UI |
| 16:22.41 | Orionshock | least that's how im understanding it... |
| 16:22.44 | Ellipsis | I have? |
| 16:22.56 | nevcairiel | but, IMHO, Sloukens time is better spent giving us new features, that we all want. like the combatlog. would you rather see a improved combatlog on 2.4, or a cleaned default UI, that would only clean the code, and not give any improvement to the player |
| 16:22.57 | Ellipsis | I am specifically discussing the framexml code here, since that's all we can know for sure |
| 16:23.01 | Gnarfoz | what the... no boss modules enabled, I'm outside the instance but in the raid group, and yet I hear sounds from bigwigs for events/messages? |
| 16:23.14 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: you misunderstand me if you think I'm asking for action |
| 16:23.20 | Orionshock | and the frameworkXML =/= wowwiki/API |
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| 16:23.43 | Ellipsis | I'm saying it's bad code. I'm not asking or expecting that to change, and I'm not even complaining about the difficulties it causes. |
| 16:23.45 | CIA-7 | 03backbone * r54338 10/tags/LibBoneUtils-1.0/ (. beta/ beta/LibBoneUtils-1.0.lua beta/LibBoneUtils-1.0.toc): |
| 16:23.45 | CIA-7 | LibBoneUtils-1.0 |
| 16:23.45 | CIA-7 | - initial import |
| 16:23.45 | CIA-7 | - standalone lib |
| 16:23.45 | CIA-7 | - collection of utility functions |
| 16:23.52 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: so why are you talking at all? If you complain, you imply that it would be great if its fixed, so that implies a wish for action |
| 16:24.25 | Ellipsis | I'm talking because Orionshock suggested the "design by committee" theory and I disagreed with it |
| 16:25.06 | Orionshock | nevcairiel: not to be rude, but are you french by chance? |
| 16:25.10 | dylanm_ | But guys that's why Ace3 is the suck don't you read wikis |
| 16:25.55 | nevcairiel | I have no idea how many people actually work on the UI Code, but i do know that Slouken is competent enough, and open to the communitys input. If someone rewrites the questlog, in compliance with the API, i am sure he would seriously look at it and consider using it |
| 16:25.59 | nevcairiel | Orionshock: no |
| 16:26.30 | Orionshock | nevcairiel , Ellipsis i believe we're all talking about something different than one another |
| 16:26.43 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.14 | Amadeo | Less fighting, more discussing! |
| 16:27.20 | Orionshock | dylanm_: no Ace3 is the suck atm b/c no one has taken the time to document the API ON the wiki |
| 16:27.24 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: a lot of people have said that, (perhaps stemming from slouken himself?) but I have yet to see it happen on either part |
| 16:27.26 | CIA-7 | 03backbone * r54339 10/tags/LibBoneThrottle-1.0/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:27.26 | CIA-7 | LibBoneThrottle-1.0 |
| 16:27.27 | CIA-7 | - initial import |
| 16:27.27 | CIA-7 | - standalone lib |
| 16:27.27 | CIA-7 | - framework to handle bandwidth and throttling of addon communication |
| 16:27.27 | CIA-7 | - alternative to CTL |
| 16:27.45 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.49 | Ellipsis | gah...does that really take a 4 line commit msg? |
| 16:28.04 | backbone87 | should write it on one line? |
| 16:28.05 | Orionshock | backbone87 dude WTF? |
| 16:28.06 | nevcairiel | an alternative to CTL really defeats the prupose |
| 16:28.14 | Amadeo | I was always under the impression that slouken's job wasn't coding UI stuff, but that he just did that on the side |
| 16:28.15 | nevcairiel | why cant people just use whats there |
| 16:28.18 | nevcairiel | and be happy |
| 16:28.22 | backbone87 | CTL is slow |
| 16:28.24 | Orionshock | nevcairiel: because people hate CTRA |
| 16:28.46 | nevcairiel | Orionshock: thats an addon, i am talking about libs :P |
| 16:29.09 | nevcairiel | backbone87: so provide improvements to CTL |
| 16:29.09 | Cartas | We'd never progress if we just stuck with what we had and was happy about it! |
| 16:29.26 | Orionshock | "nevcairiel>why cant people just use whats there " why can't you just use CTRA vs oRA2 ? ... because people can ... |
| 16:29.33 | Ellipsis | people seem too quick to say "I don't like addon/lib/framework/cheeseburger X, I'm going to reinvent the wheel myself!" |
| 16:29.34 | Orionshock | duah! |
| 16:29.36 | dylanm_ | Orionshock: Because it isn't done. |
| 16:29.58 | Ellipsis | sometimes they don't even *try* offering their ideas to the original author(s) of the original cheeseburger |
| 16:30.15 | Cartas | Cheeseburger? Pah! |
| 16:30.19 | nevcairiel | if you can tell me who is the original author of the cheeseburger, i will send him a letter |
| 16:30.20 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 16:30.24 | Ellipsis | ...what...I like cheeseburgers :( |
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| 16:30.26 | Cartas | Cheese on toast is where it's at, Ellipsis. |
| 16:30.30 | Orionshock | well Ellipsis don't for get the "Eat it or GTFO" interaction when making sugestions |
| 16:30.33 | Ellipsis | ok so I'm too hungry to be coherent, but you get the point ;) |
| 16:30.43 | Ellipsis | Orionshock: that's not universal |
| 16:30.45 | Cartas | nevcairiel: Bill Gates. |
| 16:30.46 | Ellipsis | and it's a bad idea to assume it is |
| 16:30.54 | Ellipsis | like I said, people don't even try |
| 16:31.02 | Ellipsis | if you try to give suggestions and your ideas are rejected, fine |
| 16:31.09 | nevcairiel | New libraries that duplicate the exact functionality of an old one generally fail. |
| 16:31.15 | Ellipsis | but if you just do your own take on something because you feel like it, that's dumb |
| 16:31.20 | backbone87 | nevcairiel: one of the things which makes CTL slow is the fact, that it is embedded and that it is OO style in a imperative language |
| 16:31.21 | nevcairiel | even more so, if they use the name of the author in their name =P |
| 16:31.27 | Orionshock | meh - Ellipsis you take me to litteraly , be loose |
| 16:31.34 | Ellipsis | I'm not that kind of girl |
| 16:31.36 | Ellipsis | :P |
| 16:31.41 | nevcairiel | backbone87: how does being embedded make it slow? |
| 16:32.04 | Cartas | If you don't mean what you say, what's the point in saying it? You should say things literally and take them literally! |
| 16:32.07 | nevcairiel | and all the OO is just a style fake, you cannot change the language, and it doesnt really make it much slower |
| 16:32.10 | Orionshock | cross table referense lookup? |
| 16:32.58 | backbone87 | nevcairiel: the way, the variables are stored... the way, the functions are called? |
| 16:33.58 | backbone87 | nevcairiel: but because of the fake style, it could have much more performance quality, if you write a clean imperative style |
| 16:34.22 | nevcairiel | ya, like 1ns on every call |
| 16:34.24 | nevcairiel | *shrug* |
| 16:34.59 | nevcairiel | Oh well, i wouldnt expect many people using a new lib of an already established one, if you dont provide any real improvements |
| 16:35.02 | backbone87 | yeah and this 1000 times every frame with 50 fps every second |
| 16:35.30 | Orionshock | ? |
| 16:35.40 | backbone87 | nevcairiel: i wasn't ready with uploading :) |
| 16:36.04 | nevcairiel | you put it in tags |
| 16:36.10 | nevcairiel | that somehow means "ready" to me |
| 16:36.26 | Orionshock | 50fps per second.... isn't that still 50 frames per second? |
| 16:36.36 | Ellipsis | per second! |
| 16:36.44 | Orionshock | so 10,000 ever second? |
| 16:36.47 | nevcairiel | and like i said earlier, having two throttle libs defeats the purpose |
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| 16:36.49 | backbone87 | 50 x 1000 x 1ns = 50 ms |
| 16:36.52 | backbone87 | for one lib |
| 16:37.22 | nevcairiel | i should attach a debugger to CTL and get some real values |
| 16:37.23 | Ellipsis | having two of any lib defeats the purpose |
| 16:37.28 | Orionshock | ... tbh anything worth sending over the addon channel can wait till im in shat and idling |
| 16:37.29 | harldephin | there seems to be some kind of inconsistence between ClearFont and SmartBuff, causing the splash font's size being changed every 2-5 calls of a function named SMARTBUFF_Splash_ChangeFont. anyone aware of that and/or knowing of a way how to prevent it? |
| 16:37.47 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: even more for CTL, since they will both run their own schedule and you still disconnect =P |
| 16:38.18 | Ellipsis | yes, but the more general case is that libs are meant to be reused and duplicating them results in just the opposite |
| 16:38.30 | Ellipsis | and it happens far too often >_> |
| 16:38.45 | Orionshock | Ellipsis: lazy author syndrom |
| 16:38.58 | nevcairiel | actually, thats the opposite of lazy |
| 16:38.59 | Ellipsis | I'd hardly call rewriting a lib lazy |
| 16:39.08 | Orionshock | oh oh.. 3 birds 1 stone.. LOL |
| 16:39.25 | Fisker- | MY ARMS |
| 16:39.28 | Fisker- | WHAT DID YOU DO TO MY ARMS?! |
| 16:39.35 | nevcairiel | we eated them |
| 16:39.41 | Ellipsis | tasted like cheeseburger |
| 16:39.44 | backbone87 | Ellipsis: there was DOS (or some other os), so why we have windows, 12059172 linux distributions, mac os .... |
| 16:40.04 | nevcairiel | windows offered some real improvements over DOS |
| 16:40.04 | Ellipsis | backbone87: you don't run two OSes at a time, as a general rule |
| 16:40.26 | Toadkiller | ping wobin |
| 16:40.27 | Fisker- | http://i5.tinypic.com/8dzkbyx.jpg |
| 16:40.29 | backbone87 | it refers to: 11[Ellipsis11]: yes, but the more general case is that libs are meant to be reused and duplicating them results in just the opposite |
| 16:40.30 | nevcairiel | windows wasnt just a "new dos", because the windows author didnt like the style of DOS =P |
| 16:40.57 | NightFlare | hey can somebody point me to a debuff warning party frame mod? similar to pitbull highlight feature but with words if there is one? |
| 16:41.08 | backbone87 | nevcairiel: then compare the large pool of window manager/clients available |
| 16:41.18 | Toadkiller | NightFlare: what about grid? |
| 16:41.18 | Orionshock | nevcairiel: you remember that thread on the forums started by HunterZ about the "State of the SVN?" or some cheep officially sounding crap like that? where he spouted off about how the whole place is going to hell |
| 16:41.19 | Ellipsis | backbone87: if addon A uses lib X, and addon B uses equivalent lib Y, and I use addons A and B - I get no benefit from the fact that the libs are libs and can be used by multiple addons |
| 16:41.29 | Ellipsis | it's duplicate code |
| 16:41.31 | Ellipsis | for no good reason |
| 16:41.32 | nevcairiel | with style i refer to "code style", not functionality style |
| 16:41.33 | Orionshock | and my sugestion that went with it about changing the whole way the files site works. |
| 16:41.38 | dylanm_ | LIBS. ARE. FOR. AUTHORS. |
| 16:41.41 | NightFlare | Toad: alright ill check out grid |
| 16:42.04 | Ellipsis | saying that two different OSes are duplicate doesn't really matter because you don't run them at the same time, wasting resources for nearly identical functionality |
| 16:42.12 | nevcairiel | i bet i read that thread, but i dont remember it directly |
| 16:42.16 | NightHawkTheSane | NightFlare: i'll second grid, it doesn't use words, but basically colored icons in corners of the unit frame. once you get used to it it's very nice |
| 16:42.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Ellipsis: that's not strictly true anymore, though. >.> |
| 16:42.40 | harldephin | yep |
| 16:42.44 | harldephin | grid is ok |
| 16:42.47 | Toadkiller | also u can choose to have the debuff icon show upo in the frame |
| 16:42.53 | Ellipsis | NightHawkTheSane, please, for the sake of argument and me not ripping your head off... |
| 16:43.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ... but.. i want you to rip my head off. :D |
| 16:43.06 | Ellipsis | kinky |
| 16:43.26 | Orionshock | nevcairiel: bout changing the files site to where instead of directly / mindlessly pulling from the wowacesvn/trunk, instead you registered an addon name, and a googlecode / private / ect path for stable and beta and it would compile zips from that |
| 16:43.26 | NightHawkTheSane | But yeah, I know what you meant, I'm an incurable pedant at times, though |
| 16:43.35 | Toadkiller | Sounds more like PreyingMantisTheSane |
| 16:43.39 | Ellipsis | the point is, libs are libs because they're reusable code - running two libs for the same functionality defeats the purpose of them being libs in the first place |
| 16:43.54 | Ellipsis | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, it's ok, I know how ya feel <3 |
| 16:43.55 | Toadkiller | ok but whey did the libs split? |
| 16:44.03 | Orionshock | it would totaly help that lazy author problem |
| 16:44.05 | NightFlare | I would love to have something that clearly state: Your Warrior just Got Sheep clear It azap you $%& :P |
| 16:44.19 | NightFlare | on the party frame |
| 16:44.23 | Orionshock | then agian - add $ to the equation and it's solved no issue :D |
| 16:44.35 | nevcairiel | Orionshock: oh well, next files page wont pull blindlessly from trunk, authors have to send it to tags to get zips (well ok, trunk will get zipped too, but on a special files page that prolly wont be on WAU) |
| 16:44.40 | Toadkiller | grid does that. you get a big fat icon showing up on your warrior, because you set it to show all debuffs you can cure to show up |
| 16:44.45 | Orionshock | NN all - it's 10 am here and i have to sleep for the next 6 hrs hopefuly |
| 16:44.54 | backbone87 | Ellipsis: it is the choice of the users, if he/she wants to run addons which uses differnt libs for same functionality |
| 16:45.09 | NightFlare | kk |
| 16:45.10 | Ellipsis | backbone87: LIBS ARE FOR AUTHORS, as dylanm_ so wisely stated |
| 16:45.13 | Orionshock | nevcairiel: still asinine ! |
| 16:45.16 | Ellipsis | I shouldn't have to choose my addons based on the libs they use |
| 16:45.19 | Ellipsis | that's just ridiculous |
| 16:45.35 | Amadeo | I don't like the idea of running tons of different frameworks, kind of defeats the purpose from my perspective |
| 16:45.53 | backbone87 | Ellipsis: yeah and what addons you like and which not depends on the user |
| 16:45.57 | Ellipsis | yes |
| 16:46.03 | Ellipsis | it depends on their opinion of the addon |
| 16:46.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Amadeo: except, unless the frameworks are poorly done, there's very little actual downside to it. |
| 16:46.06 | Toadkiller | waaah, the mods I use include libraries & framweworks, waaahhh |
| 16:46.06 | Orionshock | Amadeo tell that to the ace3 dev team... talk about screwing the pooch with that |
| 16:46.07 | nevcairiel | an user shouldnt even know which libs it uses |
| 16:46.12 | Ellipsis | it should not depend on their opinion of the *libs* |
| 16:46.24 | backbone87 | and in common cases you dont use all addons of the same author |
| 16:46.33 | Ellipsis | ...what does that have to do with anything? |
| 16:46.38 | KivinSan | The MPQ archives should be identical on different locales of the wow client, amirite? |
| 16:46.39 | nevcairiel | Orionshock: i could respond with "tell that to ckk for his ego framework trip", but i dont want to :P |
| 16:46.48 | Amadeo | NightHawkTheSane: I think people should collaborate more, so I don't have to run so many...even if it has little impact, it has more than just running one that encompasses all :) |
| 16:46.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Orionshock, nevcairiel: don't even go there. :P |
| 16:46.57 | Orionshock | nevcairiel: we're a bit too far beyond that to tell ppl that the man behind the curtain is unimportant. |
| 16:46.58 | Ellipsis | hay guise be nice...libstub is a step forward and we can all agree on that |
| 16:47.20 | backbone87 | when author A likes lib X, he uses X and author B uses lib Y (because its faster or have a better api or ...) |
| 16:47.21 | Orionshock | 'GG Addon of GGG -Ace2-' on everything... |
| 16:47.40 | Ellipsis | backbone87: ok, but I like the interface of author A's addons better |
| 16:47.42 | Orionshock | right... "an user shouldnt even know which libs it uses" |
| 16:47.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Amadeo: well, collaboration is ideal for many reasons, but from an end user perspective, it really has no impact on your gameplay experience what, or how many, frameworks your addons are using, barring implementation quirks within them |
| 16:47.50 | Ellipsis | so should I be penalized for that? |
| 16:47.55 | NightHawkTheSane | And if there ARE implementation quirks, that falls under "poorly done", so. ;) |
| 16:48.10 | backbone87 | Ellipsis: let asume the addons of the authors have different functions and you like both of them? |
| 16:48.18 | Ellipsis | yeah |
| 16:48.19 | Orionshock | nevcairiel: NightHawkTheSane - i'll only say that your both to blame equaly -- not you NightHawkTheSane |
| 16:48.32 | Ellipsis | I have these two great addons but they use two different libs to do the *same exact thing* |
| 16:48.34 | harldephin | night, orionshock |
| 16:48.38 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, I'd have agreed that I'm to blame for something around here. :D |
| 16:48.45 | Ellipsis | which causes lag for me because I play on a low-end system |
| 16:48.48 | Amadeo | NightHawkTheSane: I actually ended up getting rid of everything for now, I no longer have Ace2 or Rock or addons using it, and my framerate increased quite a bit :P |
| 16:48.55 | backbone87 | Ellipsis: yeah the one lib is faster and the other one have the better api |
| 16:48.57 | Orionshock | hi harldephin ? |
| 16:48.57 | Toadkiller | Ellipsis: wth are u talking about? name these libs... |
| 16:49.05 | Ellipsis | Toadkiller: this is a hypothetical, relax |
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| 16:49.18 | nevcairiel | Orionshock: just saying, people claim ace3 did the mess with duplication, but you only claim that because ckk worked faster on rock then we did on ace3 ? :P |
| 16:49.23 | Orionshock | "this is a hypothetical, relax" ok IRC over |
| 16:49.35 | Ellipsis | backbone87: that's cool, but I'm just a user - I don't care about the API, I just want to get my addons working without lag! |
| 16:49.37 | Toadkiller | ok nm then, ill ignore this till there is actually something real to talk about |
| 16:49.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Amadeo: as an aside, i'd be vastly curious what you replaced certain mods with, but I think both ace2 and rock have implementation quriks that make them a lot less transparent than they probably ought to be |
| 16:50.07 | backbone87 | Ellipsis: so the developer has to choose, if the addon needs a faster lib... |
| 16:50.10 | Amadeo | NightHawkTheSane: This is what happens when people don't collaborate, everyone fights about libraries :P |
| 16:50.12 | Toadkiller | btw, with LibStub, the only thing you should be "duplicating" is the framework |
| 16:50.19 | Orionshock | no nevcairiel i think your all idiots and immature for letting the divide happen in the first place, don't give a fk who thew the first stone - the fact is that it happened when it shouldn't have. |
| 16:50.21 | harldephin | orionshock: i just responded to your message saying that you needed to catch some sleep. |
| 16:50.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Amadeo: indeed, i never said collaboration wasn't good. ;) |
| 16:50.46 | Amadeo | haha |
| 16:50.54 | Ellipsis | backbone87: you're ignoring the user |
| 16:50.56 | Ellipsis | that's bad |
| 16:51.00 | nevcairiel | Orionshock: i know i can probably not convince you of anything, but 10 people vs 1 .. just think about it whos fault it was =P |
| 16:51.14 | Orionshock | fault is irrelavant. |
| 16:51.16 | Ellipsis | if dev A likes lib X and dev B likes lib Y and the end result is the user gets screwed by running duplicate libs, that's BAD. |
| 16:51.41 | Toadkiller | Orionshock: Getting multiple people to agree on how to do something is hard. Having a comittee based framework & competing single person framework is a good thing. It keeps the process honest & instills some competition. |
| 16:51.54 | nevcairiel | there was nothing we could've done to stop the split, short of stepping down and giving the community away |
| 16:51.58 | Orionshock | simple fact that 10 v 1 on something like this means that someone droped the ball a year before it happened |
| 16:52.04 | backbone87 | and when addon A doesnt work or makes the game slow for its users, it will be unliked by the users |
| 16:52.04 | Ellipsis | a better solution would be for the authors of libs X and Y to combine the strengths of their approaches - which isn't always possible, but it's better than splitting for no reason other than you can |
| 16:52.42 | Orionshock | Toadkiller: competition in this arena is unwanted and not desirable. |
| 16:52.45 | nevcairiel | or the 1 has a too big ego for team work *shrug* oh well you dont know half the back story, so i better stop |
| 16:52.46 | Ellipsis | my point is, did you try to improve CTL, or just go directly to reinventing the wheel, do not pass Go, do not collect $200? |
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| 16:53.19 | Toadkiller | Please lets not use lib x vs lib y, all libs will be LibStub & therefore compete on their own merit. If you want to talk about framework X vs Framework Y then knock yourself out... |
| 16:53.24 | backbone87 | Ellipsis: for truth, but with addon/authors are like chefs :) |
| 16:53.30 | Ellipsis | Toadkiller: you're confusing the two conversations here... |
| 16:53.54 | Ellipsis | backbone87 and I are discussing two libs existing for the same functionality, Orionshock and nevcairiel are discussing framework drama |
| 16:54.00 | Toadkiller | No I am trying to split it into something meaningfull instead of ranting about irrelevant lib x vs lib y talk |
| 16:54.08 | Orionshock | nevcairiel: find then if that's your conclusion then who really is to blame, sense you wanted to, the year or so ago that let that 1 into the community and didn't curtail their egotistical activitys?? don't beat the bush - burn it like you intended to |
| 16:54.58 | Ellipsis | Toadkiller: your thought that the libs should be able to compete freely is great, except that if the authors don't even *try* to collaborate, then nothing is gained in the end |
| 16:55.20 | Ellipsis | one will eventually crush the other, and the winner will be even MORE reluctant to incorporate the good aspects of the loser (because of the ego aspect) |
| 16:55.50 | Amadeo | I don't think there's any reason to argue about it, because it's not going to end up changing anything :) |
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| 16:56.10 | Ellipsis | Amadeo: you're right, we should just not discuss anything ever :P |
| 16:56.11 | Toadkiller | Ellipsis: eh? As an Author I look at the libs available & then use the one I want. So for me I use PeriodicTable3 etc. instead of Arkinventory (assuming it does the same thing) or whatever else does the same thing... |
| 16:56.25 | nevcairiel | Orionshock: i joined after that happend, so i am not sure, but when i joined, everyone already complained about said fact. and thats been like a year now |
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| 16:56.31 | Ellipsis | Toadkiller: yes but what we're talking about is two libs that each have different strengths |
| 16:56.41 | Ellipsis | one has a better API, one's more efficient (for example) |
| 16:57.03 | Orionshock | yep... |
| 16:57.05 | Amadeo | Ellipsis: This has been discussed for months and months, it's not going to suddenly change now...discussing things is fine, but at this point, it's probably better to suggest ways to improve things the way they are |
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| 16:57.12 | backbone87 | Ellipsis: now we have two libs, i have no problem with cooperation, but i have my reasons, why i dont give advice to CTL's author and the most important one was the complete different design of the lib |
| 16:57.13 | Ellipsis | if the one with the API wins, the author of it will be reluctant to optimize that code using what they learned from the "competing" lib |
| 16:57.15 | Orionshock | and no one had the balls to do anything about it... |
| 16:57.19 | Toadkiller | Or I look at StickyFrames, find it usefull & then extend it so you get LibStickyFrames-1.0. It is better than StickyFrames & by the time I am done it wil lbe better than LegoBLocks & FlyPaper as well. |
| 16:57.40 | nevcairiel | I dont know if it would've been wise to do something about it |
| 16:57.40 | Ellipsis | and vice versa about the faster lib implementing more of the API the other one provides |
| 16:57.41 | Orionshock | well it was a good idea while it lasted, ppl must not have cared as much as we thought they did. |
| 16:58.10 | Toadkiller | Yes a user could get stuck with mods using all 3, but so what, I only care that LibStickyFrames gets adopted as widely as possible... |
| 16:58.10 | Ellipsis | Amadeo: I'm not talking about frameworks, sorry |
| 16:58.29 | Ellipsis | Toadkiller: that's the attitude that bothers me. |
| 16:58.47 | Orionshock | well im off for good |
| 16:58.55 | Ellipsis | "yes a user might suffer because of this ego war, but so what, I only care that my lib wins" |
| 16:59.31 | Toadkiller | No you are misstating it. The other libs only provide fractions of what I need... |
| 17:00.11 | backbone87 | Toadkiller: or do it in a way you maybe dont like |
| 17:00.13 | Ellipsis | then work with the authors of them on extending the functionality |
| 17:00.19 | nevcairiel | So, WindowLib was supposed to do that, but it was never finished |
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| 17:00.20 | Toadkiller | & if I do my job right I can certainly get users of StickyFrames to upgrade. |
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| 17:00.32 | nevcairiel | i am 100% sure you could work with Mikk to get all functions in |
| 17:00.33 | Ellipsis | (I know, working with someone is usually easier said than done) |
| 17:01.07 | Ellipsis | but if every addon dev looks at every lib they intend to use and says "this is good, but I could do better" and then they all go trying to compete for adoption... |
| 17:01.11 | Toadkiller | nevcairiel: is wondowlib in Ace3 or Ace2 as well? |
| 17:01.20 | nevcairiel | windowlib is Ace2 right now |
| 17:01.27 | nevcairiel | but will probably end up in LibStub |
| 17:01.40 | Toadkiller | Ok nice, I will take a look at it. |
| 17:02.45 | Toadkiller | Ellipsis: A lib either does what is required or it does not. If not then I can either try to extend it or rewrite it. LibStickyFrames is an extension of StickyFrames... |
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| 17:03.07 | Ellipsis | you are completely missing my point somehow |
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| 17:03.47 | Toadkiller | Ok what is your point? That I should stick to StickyFrames because it can not do what I want? |
| 17:03.58 | Ellipsis | if there are five variants/extensions/competitors/whatever providing essentially the same functionality, and authors simply pick and choose what they want their addons to use, the user gets screwed. hard. |
| 17:04.13 | Ellipsis | no, what you should do is talk to the author of stickyframes about your suggested improvements |
| 17:04.33 | KivinSan | Someone mind giving me some wisdom on setmetatable |
| 17:05.22 | Ellipsis | ~pil |
| 17:05.23 | purl | hmm... pil is Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
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| 17:05.23 | Shadowed | If you're trying to make LibStickyFrames do the job of LB which has additional stuff, you're already in trouble for developing |
| 17:05.23 | backbone87 | Ellipsis: what is, if lib X is nice work and provides nice functionallity (without looking at the API), but could be much faster then, if it gets rid of argchecks, method signature distinction and unneeded lookups etc. |
| 17:05.38 | Toadkiller | Lol, please not this point: None of the other libs have what I need. They have fractions of it. In the case of legoblocks it has some stuff that is too much |
| 17:05.48 | Shadowed | well yea |
| 17:05.52 | Shadowed | Thats because LB has a specific purpose |
| 17:06.08 | Ellipsis | Toadkiller: then make those libs improve, don't reinvent the wheel so that the user gets yet ANOTHER copy |
| 17:06.11 | Shadowed | It's not suppose to just let you stick a few frames together, it lets you stick specific blocks. |
| 17:06.21 | Shadowed | Nothing wrong with reinventing the wheel as long as you do it well. |
| 17:06.34 | Ellipsis | ...everyone thinks they've done it well |
| 17:06.38 | Toadkiller | The LB stuff I am using is some FlyPaper code from Tuller & the grouped dragging stuff Tekkub & JoshBorke added |
| 17:06.42 | Ellipsis | if they didn't think theirs was better they wouldn't write/use it |
| 17:07.14 | Shadowed | Actually, if you're pulling code from the latest LB then it's more likely Josh/rophy/myself not tek |
| 17:07.22 | backbone87 | yeah but how good a code is you can only find out through performance test and or dev community response |
| 17:08.14 | Ellipsis | but the dev community (as evidenced by the responses given here so far) thinks that more choice is a good thing! |
| 17:08.27 | Ellipsis | even in the case of libs, apparently |
| 17:08.35 | backbone87 | it is! |
| 17:08.35 | Shadowed | Yes surprirsingly enough, choice is good |
| 17:08.44 | Ellipsis | to some extent, sure |
| 17:08.56 | durcyn | reinvent the wheel every morning, imo. |
| 17:09.00 | Ellipsis | once you have thirty copies of the same lib because each author writes their own equivalent that they think is the best...no |
| 17:09.10 | Toadkiller | Dude if you can track down Iriel & make him write what I need then I would be happy. It is unlikely though imo |
| 17:09.48 | Ellipsis | once again: libs are libs because the code is reusable. if you rewrite it instead of reusing it, you're not taking advantage of the fact that it's a lib - you might as well hardcode the "lib" code straight into your addon |
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| 17:10.18 | Toadkiller | Ellipsis: are you a user or an author? |
| 17:10.21 | Cartas | Hm... I don't think that just because something is modular means there can only be one version of it... |
| 17:10.29 | backbone87 | Ellipsis: to refer to the source of the discussion: LibBoneThrottle is NOT a copy, it has been clipped here and there and improved in performance |
| 17:10.34 | Ellipsis | Toadkiller: I speak for the user |
| 17:10.44 | Shadowed | If the users made as absurd comments as you do |
| 17:10.47 | Shadowed | I'd have quit modding a long time ago |
| 17:10.47 | Ellipsis | backbone87: they both do the same job |
| 17:11.05 | Ellipsis | if you had performance improvements, you should submit patches to the author of the original lib |
| 17:11.08 | backbone87 | yeah but you can check how good they do |
| 17:11.31 | Ellipsis | if yours is SO obviously better, then there's no reason it wouldn't be accepted into the original |
| 17:11.36 | Toadkiller | Ellipsis: It is in the nature of code to evolve & improve. By your arguments Ace3 should never be made, we should just improve Ace2 |
| 17:11.40 | backbone87 | most of the performance tweaks depends on the design of the lib, it would break the original api |
| 17:11.44 | Ellipsis | Toadkiller: that's not what I'm saying at all |
| 17:11.50 | Toadkiller | Ellipsis: yes it is |
| 17:11.54 | Ellipsis | ace2->ace3 is mostly a matter of breaking backwards compatibility |
| 17:12.02 | Ellipsis | which is not the issue here |
| 17:12.21 | Toadkiller | Lol, ok so you are happy with multiple stuff as long as I call it Ace2 or Ace3? |
| 17:12.40 | Ellipsis | ace3 is not someone's personal take on ace2 because they want their own competitor |
| 17:12.52 | Ellipsis | ace3 will replace ace2 over time |
| 17:12.52 | Toadkiller | Just a sec while I rename it LibStickyFramesAce3-1.0 |
| 17:12.53 | nevcairiel | Ace2 will be deprecated come WoW 3.0 |
| 17:13.04 | Ellipsis | Toadkiller: thanks for completely ignoring what I've just said |
| 17:13.18 | backbone87 | every larger improvement is a break with the api (and thus backwards compatibility), if the code was optimized previously |
| 17:13.28 | Shadowed | Not true |
| 17:13.30 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 17:13.43 | Toadkiller | Ellipsis: an argument is no good if you completely ignore the other persons points or fail to concede your own errors... |
| 17:13.52 | Ellipsis | you don't have to break the API to add more functionality in the form of new API functions |
| 17:13.58 | Ellipsis | or to optimize code (in most cases) |
| 17:14.00 | Shadowed | You can never really make a blanket statement regarding performance improvements |
| 17:14.04 | Ellipsis | Toadkiller: you mean like you're doing? |
| 17:14.14 | Shadowed | Since it's entirely based on how the original code was designed |
| 17:14.20 | Ellipsis | Ace2 and Ace3 are NOT competitors |
| 17:14.26 | Ellipsis | they are different major versions |
| 17:14.43 | backbone87 | and they compete... |
| 17:14.47 | Ellipsis | no, they don't |
| 17:14.47 | Shadowed | of course not |
| 17:14.50 | Shadowed | Thats Rocks job! |
| 17:14.52 | backbone87 | some authors will go on using ace2 |
| 17:14.54 | Toadkiller | Dude, I tell you I need new functionality & your answer is that I should go beg some person who doesnt even live on wowace to improve a lib they wrote 2 years ago... |
| 17:15.00 | Cartas | Windows XP and Windows Vista compete, Ellipsis. |
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| 17:15.06 | Ellipsis | Toadkiller: no, that's not my answer |
| 17:15.09 | Ellipsis | please don't put words in my mouth |
| 17:15.23 | Toadkiller | Ok boil it down in a nutshell for me... |
| 17:15.25 | Ellipsis | if the author's inactive, then take it up with the maintainer or volunteer to take over the project |
| 17:15.39 | Toadkiller | Ok who is that for StickyFrames? |
| 17:15.40 | Ellipsis | the nutshell is: keep all the improvements in one place so we can benefit from them rather than suffering for them. |
| 17:15.45 | Shadowed | Iriel isn't inactive, he hangs out in #wowi-lounge |
| 17:16.22 | Xuerian | Ellipsis: Ahh what a interesting framework Ace2 would be if that directive were followed |
| 17:16.29 | Ellipsis | heh |
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| 17:18.12 | Toadkiller | Anyway, I am off to write some code instead of trying to get some big comittee to agree on what & how to do it. Maybe after it is done & refined I will go consult with the comittee & see how it can be improved &integrated with other stuff. |
| 17:18.25 | Xuerian | Drama is fun :) |
| 17:18.28 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 17:18.37 | backbone87 | Toadkiller: agree |
| 17:18.40 | Toadkiller | Personally I love drama |
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| 17:19.11 | cncfanatics | hello all |
| 17:19.17 | backbone87 | hi |
| 17:19.18 | Cartas | Hi old chap. |
| 17:19.31 | Toadkiller | cncfanatics: hey you had a question last night but logged b4 I could answer ... cant remember what tho. |
| 17:19.32 | Ellipsis | the drama causes devs to get frustrated and sick of dealing with everything, and take much the same attitude you're taking - screw everyone else, I'm gonna do my own thing while the dust settles |
| 17:19.49 | Ellipsis | which of course spawns more drama, and is causing all these problems for the user :/ |
| 17:19.58 | Shadowed | Theres an irony in that |
| 17:20.00 | cncfanatics | Toadkiller, autobar is broken atm for me |
| 17:20.11 | Shadowed | You're basically trying to beat him over the head to see it your way, then complaining that devs get frustrated |
| 17:20.12 | Toadkiller | In what way? & did you do the reset dance? |
| 17:20.12 | nevcairiel | autobar is always broken for the last two weeks ^^ |
| 17:20.16 | Shadowed | I wonder why! |
| 17:20.23 | Ellipsis | I'm not trying to beat anyone over the head Shadowed |
| 17:20.26 | cncfanatics | Toadkiller, I did, just got hime though, let me do it again |
| 17:20.28 | Shadowed | Sure you are |
| 17:20.47 | Ellipsis | I'm offering my point of view - if there's anything you disagree with, I'd like to know your argument against it |
| 17:20.49 | Shadowed | You've been arguing for the past 15m or so that you're right |
| 17:20.50 | backbone87 | Ellipsis: i dont want to rewrite CTL, the Throttle lib was a side product of my work on a clean and simple Message system for addons (local addon communication as well as cross client communication) |
| 17:20.52 | Toadkiller | Make sure you reset profile then reset bars, after that it should be solid |
| 17:21.08 | Ellipsis | it's not about me being right |
| 17:21.18 | Shadowed | When you're arguing for 15 minutes, it is |
| 17:21.23 | cncfanatics | Toadkiller, I just wiped my savedvars for autobar |
| 17:21.24 | Ellipsis | it's about devs realizing their code actually has users |
| 17:21.25 | Cartas | Hm, my Autobar works fine! |
| 17:21.26 | cncfanatics | lets test |
| 17:21.35 | cncfanatics | ~seen kaiden |
| 17:21.38 | purl | kaiden is currently on #wowi-lounge (22h 15m 1s) #wowace (22h 15m 1s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 22h 6m 46s, last said: 'http://html2pdf.seven49.net/'. |
| 17:21.38 | Ellipsis | if I'm wrong about something please tell me where |
| 17:21.44 | Toadkiller | ok wiped the player specific ones as well? |
| 17:21.45 | cncfanatics | kaiden, ping |
| 17:21.59 | backbone87 | Ellipsis: you re wrong about nothing, but the world isnt so shiny bright :) |
| 17:21.59 | Ellipsis | backbone87: you don't want to rewrite the lib you just rewrote? |
| 17:22.22 | Toadkiller | lazy imo |
| 17:22.23 | backbone87 | Ellipsis: it does the things I want (and only those) |
| 17:22.33 | Ellipsis | why make it a lib at all then |
| 17:22.48 | Ellipsis | like I said, if you're only writing this code for your personal use, hardcode it right into the addon - you might as well |
| 17:22.57 | backbone87 | because if someone other likes to use it |
| 17:23.05 | nevcairiel | another AlarLib \o/ |
| 17:23.07 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 17:23.25 | cncfanatics | Toadkiller, done |
| 17:23.32 | cncfanatics | no more errors, tnx |
| 17:24.04 | cncfanatics | Toadkiller, why don't you add some code to autoupgrade old savedvars ? |
| 17:24.12 | cncfanatics | I can't immagine how much people would have killed me if I didn't do that in flexbar :p |
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| 17:24.18 | Cartas | lol |
| 17:24.40 | Toadkiller | I started doing that but ran into some issues. I should look at it now that its morning & im not tired |
| 17:25.00 | cncfanatics | is autobar modular ? |
| 17:25.26 | Toadkiller | It is getting there although im not totally sure I know what you mean? |
| 17:25.56 | Cartas | Does it have modules? |
| 17:26.31 | Toadkiller | As in extension modules so others can add bars categories &buttons? |
| 17:26.49 | Cartas | Well, I've no idea how he meant it...! |
| 17:26.51 | Cartas | cncfanatics! |
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| 17:27.15 | CIA-7 | 03backbone * r54341 10/tags/LibBoneMessage-1.0/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:27.15 | CIA-7 | LibBoneMessage-1.0: initial import, standalone lib |
| 17:27.15 | CIA-7 | - framework to handle local and cross-client addon communication |
| 17:27.40 | backbone87 | better comment style? :) |
| 17:27.55 | Toadkiller | Well it is modular in the sense that there is a modular chunk of code that provides Categories, a module that does searching in bags invetory & spellbook, that kind of thing |
| 17:28.11 | cncfanatics | I see |
| 17:28.15 | cncfanatics | quite different from flexbar |
| 17:28.18 | Ellipsis | much less spammy at least backbone87 :) |
| 17:28.18 | cncfanatics | in flexbar I manage settings this way |
| 17:28.32 | cncfanatics | each module has a SetDefaults(); method and an UpdateSettings(); method |
| 17:28.40 | cncfanatics | when the savedvars version has changed |
| 17:28.45 | cncfanatics | it tries calling UpdateSettings() |
| 17:28.46 | Toadkiller | In a few weeks it will get extended to have an extension API / mechanism |
| 17:28.50 | cncfanatics | if that returns false it calls SetDefaults(); |
| 17:29.41 | backbone87 | Ellipsis: this is the reason for the two other libs ;) and now just look into it, before discussion, if you want ;) |
| 17:29.42 | Amadeo | cladhaire: Did you go gently down the stream? |
| 17:29.49 | cladhaire | merrily! |
| 17:29.53 | Amadeo | merrily! |
| 17:30.59 | Ellipsis | life is but a dramafest |
| 17:31.28 | Ellipsis | =[ |
| 17:32.56 | Amadeo | like a basketball |
| 17:33.35 | rubik | any PT3Bar users? |
| 17:34.07 | ZealotOnAStick | !seen Tekkub |
| 17:34.24 | ZealotOnAStick | ~seen Tekkub |
| 17:34.26 | purl | tekkub is currently on #wowhead (3h 30m 37s) #wowace (3h 30m 37s) #wowwiki (3h 30m 37s), last said: 'no way to stop the XML, use lua instead :P'. |
| 17:34.32 | Ellipsis | d'oh, I'm an idiot |
| 17:34.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Ellipsis: just now coming to this conclusion? ;) |
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| 17:34.50 | Ellipsis | hey now |
| 17:34.55 | ZealotOnAStick | Tekkub: though I've not tried it in a raid, I love the looks of Control Freak so far. |
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| 17:35.18 | Ellipsis | I just realized that the reason my code wouldn't work no matter what I tried to do, was because I forgot to re-enable the addon... |
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| 17:35.27 | Toadkiller | Oh damn theres a wowhead channel? I need to get those noobs to add Alchemist's Stone to their Trinket list... |
| 17:35.28 | NightHawkTheSane | hah, nice. |
| 17:35.32 | ZealotOnAStick | well, there's your problem! |
| 17:36.41 | Gnarfoz | any good warrior shout timer addons anyone can recommend? |
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| 17:45.12 | RaydenUni | leveling as a pacifist... |
| 17:48.46 | cladhaire | Toadkiller: for the ninth time, _I_ wrote Stickyframes. |
| 17:48.53 | cladhaire | as is indicated on wowinterface.com |
| 17:48.54 | cladhaire | :P |
| 17:48.59 | cladhaire | and I am not iriel |
| 17:49.06 | Xuerian | He's just special |
| 17:49.29 | cncfanatics | what different draw layers are there ? |
| 17:49.31 | Cartas | What's StickyFrames? |
| 17:49.35 | cncfanatics | BACKGROUND, ARTWORK, what else ? |
| 17:49.43 | NightFlare | can someone recomend me a cc warning addon if there is one? already tried decursive/grid/healbot |
| 17:49.49 | Amadeo | cladhaire put the sticky in stickyframes |
| 17:50.19 | cladhaire | I can't help but think you've not tried very hard to figure out who you should credit/talk to, considering "stickyfrasmes wow" has it within the first five results. http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4674-StickyFrames.html |
| 17:50.28 | cladhaire | Now whats your question Toadkiller? |
| 17:51.03 | Cartas | You should've called it SnappyFrames. |
| 17:51.06 | Cartas | Snapping > Sticking. |
| 17:51.15 | Ellipsis | snappy sounds...spiffy |
| 17:51.22 | Ellipsis | sticky is kinda gross o.O |
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| 17:51.26 | Amadeo | It's hot |
| 17:51.28 | NightFlare | would like to try something that anounce in big words on top of party frame instead of colors or debuff icons |
| 17:51.33 | Amadeo | who cares about snapping |
| 17:51.38 | Amadeo | Sticky is where it's at! |
| 17:51.40 | Cartas | Crocodiles. |
| 17:52.44 | Cartas | Hm... I hope everyone is laughing at my joke instead of ignoring it... |
| 17:53.14 | Ellipsis | ....so how are you Amadeo? |
| 17:53.23 | Amadeo | Pretty snappy |
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| 17:54.14 | Cartas | HAHAHA |
| 17:54.18 | Cartas | OH Amadeo! |
| 17:54.23 | Amadeo | That's what she said! |
| 17:55.05 | Ellipsis | don't tell them our private activities :( |
| 17:55.15 | Amadeo | Sorry, I had to boast |
| 17:55.17 | NightHawkTheSane | well its not like we dont already know |
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| 17:56.31 | Amadeo | At least I don't speak of us, NightHawkTheSane |
| 17:56.42 | Amadeo | I mean... |
| 17:57.25 | NightHawkTheSane | you don't? cause i sure do |
| 17:57.31 | NightHawkTheSane | and by "speak of" i mean, sell videos. |
| 17:57.35 | Amadeo | He was NightHawkInsane before I met him |
| 18:00.49 | Amadeo | Bueller? |
| 18:02.50 | NightHawkTheSane | a mod couldn't automagically select a quest reward, could it? |
| 18:03.08 | Pkekyo | "Unable to send chat to <name> because your message contained reserved words." <---- WTF?! |
| 18:03.30 | Amadeo | Stop trying to cyber |
| 18:03.42 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed, cybering is reserved for nelfs. |
| 18:03.52 | Pkekyo | not cybering ffs, trying to paste a link |
| 18:03.57 | Amadeo | To a porn site! |
| 18:04.02 | Pkekyo | no! |
| 18:04.04 | Ellipsis | hot |
| 18:04.05 | Amadeo | haha |
| 18:04.08 | Pkekyo | to mmo-champion >.< |
| 18:04.15 | nevcairiel | turn spam filter off |
| 18:04.16 | NightHawkTheSane | mmo-champion turned into a porn site? |
| 18:04.16 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 18:04.25 | Ellipsis | and yes NightHawkTheSane, choosing a quest reward isn't protected |
| 18:04.41 | Pkekyo | nevcairiel: what spam filter? |
| 18:05.02 | nevcairiel | iirc there is an option in interface settings |
| 18:05.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Ellipsis: hmm. so all i have to do is modify vendorbait to not merely highlight, but select the quest reward. |
| 18:05.07 | nevcairiel | if you turn that off, it works |
| 18:05.12 | CIA-7 | 03cncfanatics * r54342 10FlexBar2_Zoomed/Zoomed.lua: FlexBar2_Zoomed: Various fixes |
| 18:05.13 | Ellipsis | pretty much |
| 18:05.34 | Pkekyo | nevcairiel: you mean the profanity filteR? |
| 18:05.37 | NightHawkTheSane | now, the real question is can i possibly be unlazy enough to DO that. |
| 18:05.40 | CIA-7 | 03treibh * r54343 10BigBrother/ (BigBrother.lua localization_enUS.lua): |
| 18:05.40 | CIA-7 | BigBrother: |
| 18:05.40 | CIA-7 | - added Hibernate to the polymorph checks |
| 18:06.21 | Pkekyo | nevcairiel: nope, didn't help |
| 18:07.05 | nevcairiel | Pkekyo: there is a "Disable Spam Filter", checkbox, not the profanity filter |
| 18:07.26 | Pkekyo | I found it, disabled it, still getting the same message |
| 18:08.44 | Pkekyo | just figured out what triggered the crap |
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| 18:08.52 | Pkekyo | it was the http://www. prefixes |
| 18:09.42 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, ns->ghost wolf, win |
| 18:12.09 | CIA-7 | 03cncfanatics * r54344 10FlexBar2_Zoomed/Zoomed.lua: FlexBar2_Zoomed: make highlights look less ugly |
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| 18:14.03 | Toadkiller | cladhaire: Lol, ok I will remove Iriel from the list. Sorry if I missed previous posts on the topic. Ok well so if you wrote it then do you want to improve it or wait & see what I come up with? |
| 18:14.44 | cladhaire | i have no intentions of doing anything more with it at the moment. |
| 18:15.54 | cladhaire | so long as it doesn't become a dependency ridden cesspool, rock it out :P |
| 18:17.20 | Toadkiller | Nah its a standalone LibStub with all code it needs right there, just like the original. Although I am stealing & upgrading some code from FlyPaper & LegoBlocks to do group dragging as well as sticking frames together. |
| 18:17.31 | cladhaire | cool, sound sfun |
| 18:17.46 | Toadkiller | Oh yeah & probably adding CENTER as a sticky point as well |
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| 18:21.06 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, what was the console command again to restart the gfx engine ? |
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| 18:23.17 | Ellipsis | /console gxrestart |
| 18:23.46 | backbone87 | RestartGx is the api function |
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| 18:29.46 | nymbia | hot |
| 18:31.26 | Ellipsis | can has pix? |
| 18:33.21 | Nefarion | lua question |
| 18:34.08 | Nefarion | functions within function inherit the scope of the outer function (that sounds wierd) so says the pil. (function a(b) function c() --[[i can access b]] end end) right? |
| 18:34.20 | Nefarion | but |
| 18:34.47 | nevcairiel | right, thats called upvalue |
| 18:35.02 | Nefarion | if i declare a function within a table within a function, it does? function a(b) { c = function() --[[i can't see b!]] end } end |
| 18:35.07 | Nefarion | doesn't* |
| 18:35.17 | nevcairiel | it should see b |
| 18:35.31 | Nefarion | what is a is a vararg func and b is ... |
| 18:35.33 | Nefarion | ? |
| 18:35.38 | Nefarion | i get an error |
| 18:35.48 | nevcairiel | that could be different |
| 18:35.53 | nevcairiel | not sure about varargs |
| 18:36.43 | Nefarion | specifically the table is a metatable being set and c is the index function. i'm trying to pass ... into a function in the index function. |
| 18:36.52 | nevcairiel | lua> local d; function a(b) d = { c = function() print(b) end } end; a("hello"); d.c(); |
| 18:36.53 | cladbot | nevcairiel: hello |
| 18:38.36 | Nefarion | lua> local function print(...) _G.print(...) end;function a(...) local o={}; return setmetatable(o, {__index = function(t,k) return print(...) end}) end |
| 18:38.36 | cladbot | Nefarion: sandbox.lua:284: Compilation failed: [string "local function print(...) _G.print(...) end;function a(...) loc..."]:1: cannot use '...' outside a vararg function near '...' |
| 18:38.53 | nevcairiel | ya you cant use ... in that case |
| 18:39.02 | Nefarion | what would be an alternative? |
| 18:39.04 | nevcairiel | you could stuff it into a table and pass that |
| 18:39.14 | nevcairiel | local d = { ... } |
| 18:40.33 | JoshBorke | stuff it in a table! |
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| 18:44.08 | Bibi | [19:05:52] <NightHawkTheSane> mmo-champion turned into a porn site? |
| 18:44.09 | Bibi | I wish. |
| 18:44.28 | NightHawkTheSane | you'd probably be making more money then |
| 18:44.34 | Bibi | Actually someone mailed me http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5269/1193317110023lr8.jpg at some point (NOT SAFE FOR WORK LULZ) |
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| 18:46.17 | Amadeo | I'd invite her to my guild |
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| 18:47.34 | Amadeo | oh, I cna read the char name, Miarose |
| 18:47.36 | Funkeh` | Thats quite old lol |
| 18:47.37 | Amadeo | can, even |
| 18:47.39 | Funkeh` | seen it like 5 times |
| 18:48.22 | Amadeo | I thought porn stars would make more money than that, her house is filthy looking..just like her profession! |
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| 18:53.55 | rubik | can someone please explain what changed recently in PT3 -> PT3.1? |
| 18:54.15 | rubik | cause PT3Bar is broken and i'd like to know how to fix the custom PT3 sets i had set up with it so i can still use the addon |
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| 19:00.39 | Ominous | Fin: ping |
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| 19:09.48 | CIA-7 | 03gagorian * r54345 10DrDamage/ (11 files in 2 dirs): |
| 19:09.48 | CIA-7 | DrDamage: |
| 19:09.48 | CIA-7 | - A few bugfixes (including incorrect scorch crit %) |
| 19:09.48 | CIA-7 | - Execute now correctly uses current amount of rage for DPR calculation |
| 19:09.48 | CIA-7 | - Fixes to 2.2 coefficients to blizzard, hurricane, rain of fire, healing way |
| 19:09.49 | CIA-7 | - Initial batch of 2.3 changes |
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| 19:31.22 | stavmar | what is a good macro to enable a focus and then to disable it with teh same button, maybe with a modifier? like /focus /clearfocus or something |
| 19:34.25 | dylanm_ | stavmar: Just add a modifier like /clearfocus [modifier:shift] |
| 19:34.41 | stavmar | dylanm_: ty |
| 19:39.48 | CIA-7 | 03chexsum * r54346 10KillingSpree/ (. KillingSpree.lua KillingSpree.toc embeds.xml libs/): |
| 19:39.48 | CIA-7 | KillingSpree: |
| 19:39.48 | CIA-7 | - Removed tabletlib and fixed a few bugs |
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| 19:42.31 | Crysli | Would this DogTag work? |
| 19:42.31 | Crysli | [Class:IsEqual(Warrior):Hide!IsEqual(Rogue):Hide!HasAura(Arcane Intellect)?Text(AI):Red] |
| 19:43.21 | Crysli | Basically I'm trying to hide the text if the unit is either a warrior or a rogue. Otherwise it should show the text AI if the unit has Arcane Intellect. |
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| 19:45.56 | Tiku | hi |
| 19:46.34 | Tiku | can some one help me? i try to download a addon for wow.. but i dont understand it |
| 19:48.49 | Pkekyo | !points 2399 |
| 19:48.50 | Xinhuan | You cannot get more than 1511 arena points per week (5v5 points cap). |
| 19:48.54 | Pkekyo | !rating 2399 |
| 19:48.55 | Xinhuan | 2399 rating gives 1394(5s), 1227(3s) and 1059(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 19:49.32 | Pkekyo | !points 1227 |
| 19:49.32 | Xinhuan | 1227 arena points require 2153(5s), 2399(3s) and INF(2s) team rating. |
| 19:50.01 | Crysli | Tiku: Fire awau |
| 19:50.05 | Crysli | away* |
| 19:51.38 | Tiku | i dont know what to do.. to get a addon |
| 19:52.06 | Crysli | That would depend on what addon you want. |
| 19:52.31 | Tiku | oke.. i would like to have cartographer |
| 19:53.01 | Crysli | Then you'd go to www.files.wowace.com and click on the Cartographer link |
| 19:53.24 | Tiku | oke |
| 19:53.29 | Crysli | When the download has finished, you'll unzip it and put the contents into your AddOns folder. |
| 19:54.04 | Tiku | do i have to create a new folder in addon folder? |
| 19:54.27 | Crysli | It should already be in a folder. |
| 19:54.44 | Toadkiller | Tiku are you using XP or Vista? |
| 19:54.50 | Tiku | xp |
| 19:55.02 | Crysli | Then no problem |
| 19:55.38 | Toadkiller | Ok I dunno if this will work for you but if i remember right you can right on the file to download then when it asks to save or open, say open. This ipens your zip & you are looking at a folder that you need to drag into your Addons folder... |
| 19:55.54 | Chompers | Fisker- - any news on crysis fix? |
| 19:55.58 | Tiku | ok i will rry that now |
| 19:56.41 | Tiku | ok i have done that now |
| 19:57.02 | Tiku | is that all i have to do? |
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| 20:06.07 | Tiku | Yeah i got it thanks guys |
| 20:09.29 | Chompers | we're doing leo, we just wiped and 3 mc'd players are stuck in mc mode |
| 20:09.49 | Chompers | is this normal? |
| 20:12.12 | vrak | can someone give a short rundown on the differences (if any) between bigwigs and deadlyboss ? |
| 20:12.39 | Gngsk | Chompers, very normal |
| 20:13.04 | Chompers | it means waiting 10 minutes between attempts :< |
| 20:13.48 | Toadkiller | chompers: KILL THEM |
| 20:14.07 | Toadkiller | If they are too weak to survive u need to cull them |
| 20:14.14 | Chompers | probably |
| 20:14.24 | Chompers | they're not focusing enough |
| 20:14.39 | Chompers | too much heal, too little keel |
| 20:14.40 | Toadkiller | Whenever some resto druid or prot warrior gets MC, the first thing we do is to kill them... |
| 20:18.52 | Paene | can a frame inherit multiple templates? |
| 20:21.23 | Fisker- | http://i5.tinypic.com/8dzkbyx.jpg <mythbusters style> "Am i missing my hands?!" |
| 20:22.43 | vhaarr | vrak: bigwigs isn't bloated |
| 20:23.37 | Fisker- | fucking win vhaarr |
| 20:23.43 | vhaarr | :P |
| 20:23.48 | Fisker- | also DBM doesn't forcibly log you out if your raid leader is a tard |
| 20:23.54 | Fisker- | err |
| 20:23.57 | Fisker- | bigwigs doesn't* |
| 20:25.47 | Fisker- | Chompers mofo! |
| 20:25.51 | Fisker- | does http://i5.tinypic.com/8dzkbyx.jpg work for you? |
| 20:26.07 | Paene | Can a button inherit two templates? I want to make a button that opens a menu on middle-click, casts a spell on right click, and uses an item on left clock |
| 20:26.10 | Paene | *click |
| 20:26.14 | Paene | is that possible? |
| 20:28.28 | Paene | nvm |
| 20:28.29 | Paene | got it |
| 20:29.04 | kd3|lagged | any mods you all aware of that need to be updated before they'll work in 2.3? getting started in the 2.3 version of the "It's Patch Day!" sticky |
| 20:29.10 | kd3|lagged | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1778019289&postId=28556755050&sid=1#157 |
| 20:29.31 | Ellipsis | kd3|lagged, mail and auction related addons mainly |
| 20:29.52 | Fisker- | i believe some xloot versions were having trouble on the PTR |
| 20:29.57 | Fisker- | can just double check to be sure |
| 20:30.01 | CIA-7 | 03ricowan * r54347 10RicoMiniMap/RicoMiniMap.lua: RicoMiniMap: Added slider for adjusting strata, add new options for locating the map coordinates at the top of the minimap |
| 20:30.39 | Xuerian | Fisker-: do tell |
| 20:32.02 | vrak | so the two mods essentially do just the same thing, just in two different ways |
| 20:32.08 | vrak | thanks |
| 20:32.53 | Fisker- | of course DBM still sucks |
| 20:33.05 | vrak | well, apart from that |
| 20:34.20 | Fisker- | doesn't look like the newer versions have a problem Xuerian |
| 20:34.32 | Fisker- | just gonna find a mob |
| 20:35.08 | Fisker- | Cartographer and CowTip is broken, but ckknight probably have a 2.3 branch |
| 20:37.32 | Fisker- | Xloot is fine Xuerian :o |
| 20:38.08 | kd3|lagged | but the 2.2 version of xloot is busted for 2.3? |
| 20:38.17 | Fisker- | nope |
| 20:38.20 | Fisker- | the earlier one was |
| 20:38.29 | kd3|lagged | I'll take it off the list, then |
| 20:38.44 | Fisker- | he has Cartographer and CowTip is broken with the current revision though |
| 20:39.01 | Fisker- | CowTip makes bad tooltips and cartographer doesn't work at all |
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| 20:42.23 | |Stan| | Fisker-: there is no 2.3 branch |
| 20:42.30 | |Stan| | for CT and Carto |
| 20:42.42 | Fisker- | oh :o |
| 20:43.30 | |Stan| | ckknight is lost in rl |
| 20:45.02 | Fisker- | a shame :o |
| 20:45.15 | Fisker- | initiate search and rescue operations |
| 20:45.19 | Antiar1 | http://www.dailymotion.com/related/3061393/video/x3dei2_orangina_ads <--- what the hell. seriously. what. the. hell. |
| 20:46.01 | Fisker- | FURRIES YIFF IN HELL |
| 20:46.59 | NightHawkTheSane | what the hell?! |
| 20:49.11 | Chompers | DIE FURRIES |
| 20:49.13 | Chompers | DIEEEEEE |
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| 20:52.15 | toybreaker | Good afternoon all, I am trying to make a macro that will attack current target if not already. I need to do this when in combat already like an aoe pull and running through targets as they die. |
| 20:52.36 | NightHawkTheSane | "Last time you were at the house you got mad at those pig-shaped salt and pepper shakers, is this about farm animals or about condiments?" |
| 20:53.56 | toybreaker | I find myself standing there doing nothing and dps drops. something like "/cast [status like not attacking?] attack" "/cast Backstab" any ideas? |
| 20:54.08 | kd3|lagged | [combat] |
| 20:54.42 | NightHawkTheSane | just use /startattack |
| 20:54.43 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.52 | toybreaker | but if I am already in combat and the last target just died and i am not attacking the new one while spamming bs.... |
| 20:54.54 | toybreaker | ahhhh |
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| 20:55.02 | Antiarc | I have my Sinister Strike macros with something like /use 17; /startattack; /cast Sinister Strike |
| 20:55.13 | Antiarc | That'll autoselect the nearest target and start attacking |
| 20:55.30 | toybreaker | that makes sense...last question, will 2 /startattack stop attacking? |
| 20:55.34 | Antiarc | No |
| 20:55.38 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:55.47 | toybreaker | very cool, that is exactly what i was looking for. Thank you |
| 20:55.48 | Antiarc | (The /use 17 is my trinket slot, so I if I want max uptime on a trinket like the Abacus or whatnot) |
| 20:56.07 | Antiarc | Maybe it's not 17. I forget which slot the trinket is. |
| 20:56.08 | Antiarc | But that's omissable if you don't want to use it. |
| 20:56.11 | toybreaker | oh i like that |
| 20:56.17 | Fisker- | it's 13 and 14 |
| 20:56.23 | toybreaker | love my abacus |
| 20:56.24 | Fisker- | as far as i know |
| 20:56.24 | Antiarc | Right, 16 and 17 are weapons |
| 20:56.38 | Antiarc | So yeah, /use 13, and then I just put the trinket I want to autouse in the top trinket slot |
| 20:56.41 | toybreaker | thank you for the help, off to test |
| 20:56.55 | Fisker- | i think i should do that as well |
| 20:57.01 | Fisker- | i keep forgetting to activate my martyr trinket |
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| 20:58.49 | Antiarc | Just be careful about mashing that macro when you're around sheep |
| 20:58.57 | sb | morning |
| 20:58.59 | Antiarc | Since you have a very good chance of autoselecting and whacking them :) |
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| 21:02.41 | Industrial | know whats so fun? when im in winterspring ant it goes down steep I feel like standing on a slope myself =D |
| 21:02.45 | toybreaker | good call, i usually tab to target then bs to start attacking so i think i should be ok but i will watch for it |
| 21:02.51 | toybreaker | lol |
| 21:02.53 | Industrial | like 2 seconds of "ho shi-its real" |
| 21:04.43 | stavmar | doesint cartographer have a way to show an X on the map when you indicate a waypoint? Or is this another mod that does that? |
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| 21:06.13 | sb | mh |
| 21:06.18 | sb | patch this week? ;o |
| 21:06.23 | code_man65 | Anyone in here really good with WUU? |
| 21:06.24 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 21:06.50 | sb | mhh - im not sure because of that new PTR stuff... |
| 21:07.04 | code_man65 | They haven't said they are delaying it yet |
| 21:07.06 | sb | or is there already some login message announcement? |
| 21:07.36 | Xuerian | stavmar: You have to set the option to do it |
| 21:07.39 | CIA-7 | 03paene * r54348 10Cryolysis2/ (Cryolysis2.lua Cryolysis2.toc Cryolysis2.xml): |
| 21:07.39 | CIA-7 | Cryolysis2: |
| 21:07.39 | CIA-7 | -New menu using Waterfall-1.0 instead of Dewdrop-2.0 |
| 21:07.39 | CIA-7 | -Re-added original mana gem functionality with a twist! |
| 21:08.06 | stavmar | Xuerian: let me try and find it |
| 21:08.39 | stavmar | TY found it |
| 21:08.44 | stavmar | not too sure why it was disabled |
| 21:09.47 | Xuerian | starts that way |
| 21:10.03 | Xuerian | not sure why |
| 21:11.52 | CIA-7 | 03paene * r54349 10Cryolysis2/ (. Cryolysis2.toc): |
| 21:11.52 | CIA-7 | Cryolysis2: |
| 21:11.52 | CIA-7 | -Update .toc and externals |
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| 21:17.08 | Chompers | does anyone have some tips for leo? |
| 21:17.20 | Chompers | we're having lots of problems during phase changes |
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| 21:17.44 | dsdaso | WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! |
| 21:17.47 | dsdaso | WRAARRRR!!! I has the Cookies Tooo! WRAARRRR!!! |
| 21:17.51 | dsdaso | WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! |
| 21:17.54 | Xuerian | 0_o |
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| 21:19.22 | NightHawkTheSane | "There's like six law and order's on the air now, have you not seen any of them?" |
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| 21:20.48 | nymbia | rofl |
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| 21:21.24 | dsdaso | WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! |
| 21:21.25 | dsdaso | WRAARRRR!!! I has the Cookies Tooo! WRAARRRR!!! |
| 21:21.28 | dsdaso | WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! |
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| 21:21.57 | Chompers | someone needs to pre-type a ban for him |
| 21:23.47 | hyperChipmunk | his host indicates he lives within a few miles of me |
| 21:23.56 | hyperChipmunk | maybe i'll just go beat him with a crowbar |
| 21:24.20 | hyperChipmunk | eXtrEMe mODeRatINg |
| 21:24.26 | Fisker- | i agree |
| 21:24.33 | Fisker- | also now i know where you live |
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| 21:26.43 | NightHawkTheSane | that sounds like it'd chafe |
| 21:27.15 | Chompers | as gun = penis |
| 21:27.22 | Chompers | i like your thinking |
| 21:27.40 | Fisker- | Chompers |
| 21:27.41 | Fisker- | lets have sex |
| 21:27.57 | Chompers | okay |
| 21:28.02 | Chompers | in the butt? |
| 21:28.28 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r682 10/trunk/ControlFreak/ControlFreak.lua: ControlFreak - Fix index nil error if no default profile exists for the player's class (fucking warriors). |
| 21:28.39 | Fisker- | sure Chompers |
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| 21:32.24 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r683 10/trunk/ControlFreak/ControlFreak.lua: ControlFreak - Fix nil bug if config panel has not been opened. |
| 21:32.24 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r684 10/trunk/ControlFreak/ControlFreak.lua: ControlFreak - Make macro default to opening config if no default profile is loaded |
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| 21:34.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Toadkiller: Is it possible to get a "reverse rearrange order on use" option for buttons, so if you select something it's moved to the end, instead of the front? |
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| 21:37.04 | Skr0ts | Where can i download custom layouts for pitbull unitframes? |
| 21:37.57 | many | there are several threads in the wowace forum for example |
| 21:43.31 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r685 10/trunk/ControlFreak/ (ControlFreak.lua ClassMacrotexts.lua): ControlFreak - Change how default profiles are loaded, maybe speed it up a tad. Fixed some stupid error stupid mikma had... maybe. |
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| 21:48.29 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r686 10/trunk/ControlFreak/ClassMacrotexts.lua: ControlFreak - 'end' hates me |
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| 21:50.07 | Mecha | Anyone in here knows EQCompare inside out? :o |
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| 21:51.22 | nullflow | if one needed to reset an ace addon's settings, and reinstalling it didn't do it, what would one do? |
| 21:51.36 | Ellipsis | delete the addon's saved variables |
| 21:51.37 | kenlyric | uhhhh. |
| 21:51.37 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.38 | Antiarc | Usually |
| 21:51.46 | kenlyric | rm -rf * |
| 21:51.52 | kenlyric | rm -rf / |
| 21:52.01 | kenlyric | damn you dos! |
| 21:52.03 | nullflow | rm? I'm so not on linux. |
| 21:52.07 | Ellipsis | clearly |
| 21:52.19 | nullflow | how is it clear? |
| 21:52.23 | Ellipsis | I has two exalted factions and my first badge reward :D |
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| 21:52.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Ellipsis: grats? :P |
| 21:52.43 | Antiarc | Which addon is it, nullflow? |
| 21:52.43 | NightHawkTheSane | only two? :P |
| 21:52.45 | JoshBorke | Ellipsis: grats |
| 21:52.50 | nullflow | Fubar_FuXPFu |
| 21:53.04 | Ellipsis | and now I'm gonna go pass out |
| 21:53.06 | Ellipsis | bbl <3 |
| 21:53.06 | nullflow | has a very annoying glitch that won't let me reattach it to Fubar instead of the minimap. |
| 21:53.29 | Antiarc | That sounds like a FuBar or FuBarPlugin issue, not an issue with that addon |
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| 21:54.17 | Antiarc | http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4552/maoamqz1.jpg |
| 21:54.21 | nullflow | well the error originates from the addon itself |
| 21:54.51 | Antiarc | There's an actual error? |
| 21:54.54 | nullflow | Yes. |
| 21:55.50 | Antiarc | Easiest way to do it is to just kill the addon's settings file. It's in your WTF folder somewhere. |
| 21:55.55 | Antiarc | With WoW not running, naturally. |
| 21:56.03 | nullflow | Yes, except it has no settings file. |
| 21:56.07 | nullflow | I looked :/ |
| 21:56.19 | Arrowmaster | are you on vista? |
| 21:56.24 | nullflow | Heavens no. |
| 21:56.33 | Arrowmaster | then there should be a settings file |
| 21:57.02 | CIA-7 | 03bashui * r54350 10CatPoints/ (6 files): |
| 21:57.02 | CIA-7 | CatPoints: |
| 21:57.02 | CIA-7 | - Added internal set bonus checking for malorne, WW and Primal Strike |
| 21:57.02 | CIA-7 | - Turned on tips all the time |
| 21:57.02 | CIA-7 | - Fixed a problem with the 2T4 calculation |
| 21:57.09 | Fisker- | btw |
| 21:57.13 | nullflow | So, maybe I didn't look in the SavedVariables folder, and only in the folder for my server. |
| 21:57.17 | Fisker- | anyone know the reset timer on karazhan? |
| 21:57.31 | Fisker- | doh |
| 21:57.33 | Fisker- | zul'aman i mean |
| 21:59.28 | kebinusan | Its not on the raid calendar yet |
| 21:59.30 | nullflow | Cursed ambiguous setting names, I guess I actually have to nuke the settings file. |
| 22:00.11 | Mecha | Is there a good replacement for EQCompare? |
| 22:00.53 | nullflow | RatingBuster? |
| 22:01.37 | Arrowmaster | tekompare |
| 22:02.08 | Mecha | The thing thats bothering me is that EQCompare seems to be "class-smart" wich means I dont see stats on i.e leather when I log my warrior. |
| 22:02.12 | Mecha | If you know what I mean. |
| 22:02.20 | nullflow | ratingbuster has been annoyingly not working as desired in that way |
| 22:03.37 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r687 10/trunk/ControlFreak/ (ControlFreak.lua ClassMacrotexts.lua): ControlFreak - Reverting change to how default profiles are loaded, seems there's a bug in Dongle that makes this approach not work, for now. |
| 22:06.09 | Industrial | ding 58 |
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| 22:06.47 | nullflow | grats |
| 22:07.34 | nullflow | well, also annoyingly, deleting both the settings file and the backup, and reinstalling the addon has not found me loading attached to FuBar instead of the minimap. |
| 22:08.02 | Aeyan | Congrats |
| 22:08.10 | Aeyan | Now to Outland for ph4t l3wts |
| 22:08.17 | Aeyan | and such |
| 22:09.38 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r688 10/trunk/ControlFreak/ClassMacrotexts.lua: ControlFreak - Duh... |
| 22:10.50 | Industrial | yes |
| 22:10.52 | Industrial | :3 |
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| 22:12.54 | Azurewrath | yay, Reliquary of Souls down <3 |
| 22:13.48 | Aeyan | Sweet |
| 22:13.51 | Aeyan | Anything shiny? |
| 22:17.28 | CIA-7 | 03nevcairiel * r54351 10OneBank/OneBank.toc: OneBank - fix empty line with whitespace in .toc causing framexml error |
| 22:17.52 | Azurewrath | Aeyan: only crap.. for the last Month. |
| 22:17.57 | nullflow | :/ |
| 22:18.32 | Azurewrath | got my last item one month ago.. every boss drops leather and plate.. and plate and leather.. and no Mage T6 |
| 22:19.39 | Aeyan | I think that's why I have so many characters |
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| 22:19.56 | Aeyan | I don't really appreciate the one upgrade per month model, hehe |
| 22:20.51 | Aeyan | Click create character and ten minutes later... "Hey, kick ass, a rusty short sword." |
| 22:21.43 | Azurewrath | hehe :) |
| 22:22.04 | Azurewrath | i don't like alts... my highest alt is a lvl 36 Warlock or something.. Mage only since Beta :) |
| 22:22.30 | Aeyan | Hopefully I'll have my frozen shadoweave by Wrath of the Lich King |
| 22:23.09 | Aeyan | Situation looks grim at the moment though |
| 22:23.32 | Azurewrath | no Shadowweave at the Auctions? :) |
| 22:24.15 | nullflow | highest alt is the 54 mage I'm playing now...next on the chopping block is a warrior |
| 22:24.23 | nullflow | it's nice to have more professions |
| 22:24.31 | Aeyan | I make my way over to the altar every couple of weeks, when I think about it |
| 22:28.27 | Keias | Warriors make terrible alts. Prepare yourself for insane grinds |
| 22:29.15 | Aeyan | Mine's fun |
| 22:29.29 | Aeyan | But then, I played it mostly with friends rather than solo |
| 22:29.50 | nullflow | warriors look to be fun at high level |
| 22:30.31 | Aeyan | I get to respec on Tuesday |
| 22:30.52 | Aeyan | There's no way I'm giving up harassing my healer friend by losing death wish |
| 22:32.02 | Keias | I get to respec every week, it sucks :( |
| 22:32.15 | Keias | Always have to go prot for Loot reaver. |
| 22:32.15 | Aeyan | Hehe |
| 22:32.44 | Pkekyo | anyone able to recommend me some good, non-pornographic movies? |
| 22:32.54 | Keias | What type of movies do you like? |
| 22:33.19 | Kerafyrm | American Gangster is good, imo |
| 22:33.20 | Pkekyo | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1598260327&sid=1 pewpew |
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| 22:33.27 | Kerafyrm | see denzel on the otherside of the law for once |
| 22:33.47 | Keias | I wanna see American Gangster, myself |
| 22:33.55 | Pkekyo | Keias: pretty much anything with guns and/or explosions could keep me at bay for an hour or so...conspirasies and shit is a huge bonus though...sniper action is pure win |
| 22:34.22 | Keias | hrm |
| 22:34.29 | Keias | If you want some good action/gore type flicks |
| 22:34.38 | Keias | Planet Terror and Death Proof are good |
| 22:34.50 | Pkekyo | ordered a new shipment of DVDs last week, but no delivery until tuesday >.< |
| 22:34.51 | Keias | A nice throw back to old cheesy type action/horror movies |
| 22:35.16 | Pkekyo | not so much into horro tbh...I don't get horrified |
| 22:36.13 | Pkekyo | oh, planet terror's that grindhouse flick? |
| 22:36.31 | Gagorian | yar |
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| 22:37.38 | Pkekyo | saw the trailer...all it left me with was 'what fucking kind of a crack-head could think up shit like this?' |
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| 22:38.16 | Pkekyo | comeon peeps, recommend god movies. guns, conspirasies and sniperrifles pref. |
| 22:39.07 | Aeyan | I know nothing |
| 22:39.21 | JoshBorke | movies are too expensive |
| 22:39.29 | JoshBorke | to go see in theatres |
| 22:39.38 | Pkekyo | agreed |
| 22:40.02 | Pkekyo | nowadays I just buy over-stock DVDs... |
| 22:40.10 | JoshBorke | and it's illegal to download so I can't recommend any new movies |
| 22:40.13 | CIA-7 | 03toadkiller * r54352 10LibStickyFrames-1.0/ (LibStickyFrames-1.0.lua LibStickyFrames-1.0.toc): |
| 22:40.13 | CIA-7 | LibStickyFrames-1.0: |
| 22:40.13 | CIA-7 | -- Dragging while holding ctrl lets you stick to a frame as well as snap to it (no x & y offsets yet) |
| 22:40.13 | CIA-7 | -- Callback to color the stick to frame |
| 22:40.13 | CIA-7 | -- Default standard feedback colors added |
| 22:40.13 | CIA-7 | -- Registration changed to a single table instead of multiple parameters |
| 22:40.17 | JoshBorke | i watched Live Free or Die hard yesterday |
| 22:40.18 | JoshBorke | it was good |
| 22:40.47 | Pkekyo | it was decent...but not awesome, can't remember what it was about even |
| 22:40.49 | JoshBorke | and by good i mean a lot of out of this world action that would never happen |
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| 22:41.56 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 22:42.17 | Pkekyo | I don't mind that...if it's done intelligently.. |
| 22:42.38 | Azurewrath | it's just a really great action movie without a complex story :) |
| 22:43.13 | JoshBorke | bad guys, guns, explosions, what more do you need to know? |
| 22:43.44 | aestil | libstickyframes + BT3 = bongs style sticky frames hopefully. |
| 22:44.01 | JoshBorke | that'd be nifty |
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| 22:45.47 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r689 10/trunk/ControlFreak/ControlFreak.lua: ControlFreak - Fixed range checking for multiple spells (damn magi). "Controlled" now takes priority over "Damage" for those obsessive resheepers. |
| 22:46.37 | Neebler | http://www.funpic.hu/swf/monitor_cleaner.swf |
| 22:46.41 | JoshBorke | Toadkiller: you play around with LegoBlock any? |
| 22:46.41 | Silviu- | Yay finnaly Ilidan dead :/ |
| 22:47.03 | JoshBorke | Silviu-: grats! |
| 22:47.05 | Keias | grats |
| 22:47.10 | Silviu- | Ty |
| 22:47.15 | |Stan| | Silviu-: grats |
| 22:47.18 | JoshBorke | Silviu-: you beat the game! |
| 22:47.22 | JoshBorke | Silviu-: you ARE prepared! |
| 22:47.25 | Silviu- | ^^ |
| 22:47.28 | Silviu- | True ! |
| 22:47.32 | Silviu- | Cool neck ! |
| 22:47.33 | Silviu- | :( |
| 22:47.36 | Silviu- | 15 mins cd :P |
| 22:47.40 | Silviu- | And noob drops :) |
| 22:48.14 | Silviu- | [Shard of Azzinoth] [Cowl of the Illidari High Lord] |
| 22:48.54 | JoshBorke | i want the cowl... |
| 22:49.01 | CIA-7 | 03toadkiller * r54353 10AutoBar/ (6 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 22:49.01 | CIA-7 | AutoBar : |
| 22:49.01 | CIA-7 | -- 2.02.03.26 beta () |
| 22:49.01 | CIA-7 | -- Fix the defaults button insertion code so water can live next to food once more after a reset. |
| 22:49.01 | CIA-7 | -- Change Refresh to not reset but to just do refresh + some corruption checks |
| 22:49.01 | CIA-7 | -- Upgraded form buttons to use cancelform. this should make them usable on PTR for now: |
| 22:49.03 | CIA-7 | -- /cancelform [stance:1/2/4/5/6] |
| 22:49.20 | Silviu- | u wait for my t6 wings better :D |
| 22:49.36 | Toadkiller | JoshBorke: yeah i stole some code form it! |
| 22:49.43 | Silviu- | i* |
| 22:49.48 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r690 10/trunk/ControlFreak/ClassMacrotexts.lua: ControlFreak - Adding random sheep/pig profile since turtle's kinda rare |
| 22:49.50 | Toadkiller | & im going to do the grouping thing. that stuff is nice |
| 22:50.12 | JoshBorke | Toadkiller: rophy did the highlighting portion, shadowed did the base grouping and I did the headLB stuff |
| 22:50.31 | Shadowed | Tekkub bitched mostly |
| 22:50.40 | JoshBorke | it's true |
| 22:51.14 | Pkekyo | what's with vampires and typewriters? |
| 22:51.40 | Toadkiller | Hehe bitching is good |
| 22:51.57 | JoshBorke | Toadkiller: how are you going to handle Secure frames? |
| 22:52.29 | Toadkiller | THey need special handling? Oh wait right, the parenting thing... mmmm |
| 22:52.43 | JoshBorke | Toadkiller: you can't setpoint while in combat |
| 22:53.31 | Toadkiller | Yeah I think I will just disable sticking during combat. You can still drag though? |
| 22:54.05 | Toadkiller | Probably need options for some mods to disable dragging mode during combat |
| 22:54.35 | JoshBorke | guild bank tuesday! yay! |
| 22:54.46 | Toadkiller | The patch is shipping? |
| 22:55.04 | Pkekyo | meh, spent 5min looking for the Shooter DVD before I realized that it had a localized cover >.< |
| 22:55.07 | Aeyan | It compiled |
| 22:55.25 | Pkekyo | Toadkiller: yup, old news, patch hits tuesday/wednesday, season 3 follows the next tuesday/wednesday |
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| 22:57.25 | Toadkiller | Crap did they shut down PTR yet? |
| 22:57.36 | Pkekyo | haven't heard that they have |
| 22:57.57 | Toadkiller | OK good, I fixed the druid buttons this morning but hvent looked for other issues yet |
| 22:58.12 | Pkekyo | what addon? |
| 22:58.18 | Toadkiller | AutoBar |
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| 22:58.33 | Pkekyo | ouh |
| 22:58.57 | Pkekyo | btw, since you popped the bloody waterfall config, how to manually add items to autobar? |
| 23:00.14 | Toadkiller | Well easiest is to make a custom category & name it. Then make a custom button & select that category. THen ctrl-click on AutoBar icon or select Move Buttons mode. Now you can drag & drop spells & items to the button... |
| 23:00.52 | Pkekyo | I just want to add the [Charged Crystal Focus] to the healthpotion button |
| 23:01.10 | Toadkiller | Why not use the cooldown based buttons that include it? |
| 23:01.36 | Pkekyo | cooldown based buttons? |
| 23:02.25 | Pkekyo | granted, I haven't cocked about alot with autobar, since I hate the bloody waterfall thing, but it's not showing up on any buttons currently showing... (though the uncharged ones do, as quest items) |
| 23:02.34 | Toadkiller | Yeah there is a set of health mana rejuvenation buttons with 1 each of potion & stone cooldown = 6 buttons. THey are now the default, replacing the old health & energy/mana/rage all in one buttons |
| 23:04.07 | Pkekyo | so potions are divided between buttons due to their cooldowns? (sorry, but my english is rather shitty and I haven't slept for ages) |
| 23:04.55 | Toadkiller | Well sort of. Potions have 3 buttons: mana, health & rejuvenation. (THats the potion cooldown buttons) |
| 23:05.29 | Pkekyo | has this been added recently? I stopped updating the first time waterfall came |
| 23:05.39 | Toadkiller | Stone cooldown items (warlock healthstones, dreamless sleep potions etc.) have a Mana, Helath & Rejuvenation button |
| 23:05.50 | Toadkiller | Probably in the last week or so? |
| 23:06.04 | Pkekyo | ah, maybe I ought to pop an update then |
| 23:06.54 | NightHawkTheSane | "How long have you been using the republican party as a lesbian dating service?" |
| 23:07.07 | Toadkiller | If you do make sure any characters using default profile move to their class or a unique profile... |
| 23:07.32 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: err? |
| 23:07.43 | Xuerian | lol |
| 23:07.45 | CIA-7 | 03paene * r54354 10Cryolysis2/ (Bindings.lua Bindings.xml Cryolysis2.lua): |
| 23:07.45 | CIA-7 | Cryolysis2: |
| 23:07.45 | CIA-7 | -Re-organized the menu a bit |
| 23:07.45 | CIA-7 | -Fixed a bug preventing mana gems from being conjured after leaving combat. |
| 23:07.45 | CIA-7 | -Updated and fixed several tooltips |
| 23:07.45 | CIA-7 | -Add bindings for the mount button |
| 23:07.55 | Pkekyo | Toadkiller: it's class profile based as well now? |
| 23:08.03 | _rane | I hate "funny" descriptions like this in the files.wowace.com "Gnomes wearing spy outfits can find out many things." |
| 23:08.10 | *** join/#wowace Adys|sleep (n=Adys@APoitiers-257-1-139-65.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:08.22 | _rane | Doesn't tell anything about the addon |
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| 23:08.44 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 23:08.59 | Toadkiller | Well the issue with profiles has always been that there is indivdual class & common stuff. I still have not split it out correctly so use something unique for now & only share for same class characters |
| 23:10.07 | Pkekyo | meh, sounds like I better get some sleep before I start this stuff |
| 23:10.12 | Toadkiller | _rane: Yeah but are u a Gnome wearing a spy outfit? |
| 23:10.14 | Pkekyo | either that or revert :p |
| 23:10.36 | fitz__ | Subversion: saving late night programmers from themselves |
| 23:12.08 | Pkekyo | also: I need a good cooldown tracker and a debuff/cc tracker that I can skin using sharedmedia, that does_not_reset every bloody fucking time I update the heap of shite |
| 23:12.28 | Pkekyo | any tips? |
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| 23:13.12 | Toadkiller | Quartz? |
| 23:13.28 | Keias | !ap 1733 |
| 23:13.28 | ThraeBot | Keias: Arena points from a rating of 1733 is, 2v2: 499, 3v3: 578, 5v5: 657 |
| 23:13.31 | Pkekyo | isn't that the autoswing timer? |
| 23:14.14 | fitz__ | quartz is a castbar, autoswing timer, debuff timer, and probably does other shit too |
| 23:14.19 | silentium | Quartz is a castingbar mod, it doesnt track cooldowns, only has a module to show buffs and debuffs dealt by you on your target etc |
| 23:14.22 | Toadkiller | Yes but I think it has more. or maybe its pitbull, but between the 2 of them I have a fair number of timers including my debuffs on a mob |
| 23:14.40 | fitz__ | I had to get rid of pitbull, too many corrupted textures showing up |
| 23:14.50 | fitz__ | the damn rock icon stuck on my minimap with no way to get rid of it sealed the deal there, heh |
| 23:15.00 | Aeyan | That's long, long gone |
| 23:15.00 | Pkekyo | silentium: so I'd have to get an additional cooldown timer? |
| 23:15.04 | Aeyan | The icon, I mean |
| 23:15.10 | fitz__ | ya, but I moved on to perl classic |
| 23:16.00 | Aeyan | I used that for a long time |
| 23:16.43 | Pkekyo | originally, classtimers serves all my needs, but _ALL_ settings reset on update, and I can't be arsed to constantly reconfig the stuff |
| 23:16.57 | nullflow | Make an addon. :D |
| 23:17.04 | Aeyan | ? |
| 23:17.09 | Pkekyo | nullflow: don't have enough time to learn howto :) |
| 23:17.11 | Aeyan | Classtimers has never reset on me |
| 23:17.24 | silentium | Pkekyo: I guess, at least my Quartz settings (which are close to default) dont show my cooldowns |
| 23:17.24 | nullflow | yeah and I never had problems with classtimers, although I don't use it anymore |
| 23:17.25 | Pkekyo | so I'm bitching in here hoping someone else has got a solution instead ;) |
| 23:17.37 | Aeyan | I don't do THAT much with them though |
| 23:17.47 | silentium | I like Jim's Cooldown Pulse tho |
| 23:17.49 | nullflow | I use omnicc to watch cooldowns on my actionbars and just schlep it on anything else |
| 23:18.47 | nullflow | I wish I actually had an idea for a new addon, so I could have a code project for my free time |
| 23:18.52 | Pkekyo | Aeyan: I reconfig them ALOT to fit my UI visually... and on every update, I get the fugly green and yellow bars with the original skin (gloss?) in the middle of my screen again |
| 23:19.31 | Aeyan | Ah, I've never had that problem so I don't think I can help out |
| 23:19.34 | Pkekyo | nullflow: make an addon with cross-character friendslist :) |
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| 23:19.49 | Aeyan | Mine stay were I put em, with the debuff coloring on, and stay in skin |
| 23:19.49 | kenlyric | damn, this guy five-boxes on one box. |
| 23:20.02 | nullflow | cross-character friend list would probably be reasonably easy |
| 23:20.04 | |Stan| | kenlyric: link? |
| 23:20.25 | Pkekyo | nullflow: not to mention EXTREMELY useful |
| 23:20.27 | kenlyric | http://sabersquadron.blogspot.com/2007/09/my-setup.html |
| 23:20.28 | nullflow | I guess you could have checkboxes set to make a given friend cross-character as opposed to local to that character and just write everything out to files |
| 23:20.37 | nullflow | but I bet it already exists in some fashion |
| 23:20.55 | Pkekyo | preferably one cross-character list whilst the original one still exists hidden away somewhere |
| 23:21.09 | nullflow | that was essentially what I meant |
| 23:21.17 | Toadkiller | has grid with pets shipped yet? |
| 23:21.34 | nullflow | what I really would like in that regard though...have you played hellgate london? |
| 23:21.37 | Pkekyo | also, could write an addon that imports an entire guild into your friendslist |
| 23:21.41 | MoonWitch | not needed, you write a seperate friends list. 1 table... eg realm { character { friends} } |
| 23:21.48 | nullflow | a minimizable chat window would be sexy. |
| 23:22.03 | MoonWitch | nullflow: MiniChat |
| 23:22.05 | JoshBorke | that's pretty cool |
| 23:22.06 | MoonWitch | it exists |
| 23:22.07 | Pkekyo | nullflow: several addons attempting that allready exists iirc |
| 23:22.15 | nullflow | Operative word is attempting :/ |
| 23:22.20 | Toadkiller | No need to import guild list, just use auldlnagsyne |
| 23:22.28 | Diao | minichat succeeds though |
| 23:22.31 | nullflow | orly? |
| 23:22.48 | nullflow | hmm |
| 23:22.53 | Diao | it's worked for months |
| 23:23.05 | Pkekyo | Toadkiller: yes need to import guild list....how does auldlangsyne help that? |
| 23:23.27 | Toadkiller | I missed the topic but it shows you friends + guild... |
| 23:23.30 | Diao | how can you import an entire guild o_O |
| 23:23.38 | nullflow | I've come to the conclusion that I use entirely too many addons |
| 23:23.40 | Diao | what if you hit the limit |
| 23:23.50 | Toadkiller | Why would you want to import guild? |
| 23:23.55 | kenlyric | nullflow: that means you don't us enough. |
| 23:24.12 | Pkekyo | Toadkiller: import [specified guild] to friendslist, not necessarily YOUR guild |
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| 23:24.15 | nullflow | heh |
| 23:24.22 | Diao | but how would you go about doing that Pkekyo |
| 23:24.33 | Diao | you need a way to get all members of a guild |
| 23:24.48 | nullflow | there are 126 folders in my addons folder |
| 23:24.50 | Pkekyo | Diao: only way I can think of is using /who at zone in/out or something to avoid spammage |
| 23:24.57 | Pkekyo | nullflow: I've got atleast twice as many :) |
| 23:25.00 | Toadkiller | Toad gets a flash of deja vu as this devolves into cross guild syncing nightmare |
| 23:25.01 | MoonWitch | pfft nullflow, I have 180 something |
| 23:25.02 | Pkekyo | -excluding libs |
| 23:25.03 | nullflow | lol |
| 23:25.05 | Diao | lol |
| 23:25.10 | Diao | i think that's the reasoning behind it Toadkiller |
| 23:25.19 | nullflow | load times are getting a bit slow at this point |
| 23:25.19 | Diao | integration with another guild for something |
| 23:25.30 | Diao | i have like 4xx folders |
| 23:25.39 | Toadkiller | Lemme guess, you have 2 guilds, 1 for raid & 1 for alts? |
| 23:25.41 | Diao | 474 :P |
| 23:25.50 | Pkekyo | well, I'm just getting sick of doing /who [main guild name] constantly and adding everyone to friendslist manually |
| 23:26.09 | Xinhuan | or, merge both guilds into 1. |
| 23:26.12 | Diao | ^ |
| 23:26.19 | Pkekyo | Xinhuan: not an option |
| 23:26.20 | nullflow | ^usually not an option |
| 23:26.37 | Toadkiller | Do NOT merge the guilds! Keep fighting the system! It is much more noble. Or quixotic at any rate. |
| 23:26.38 | Xinhuan | its a poor guild decision to split management into 2 in the first place |
| 23:26.41 | Diao | we went through this argument before |
| 23:26.47 | Diao | like a few weeks ago |
| 23:26.47 | Xinhuan | makes communication so dificult |
| 23:26.48 | nullflow | Points for use of the word quixotic. |
| 23:26.50 | Diao | lol |
| 23:26.58 | fitz__ | pkekyo, you'll run into the max friends limit pretty quickly |
| 23:27.03 | Toadkiller | <--- woo 50 point bonus! |
| 23:27.17 | nullflow | That's a 50 DPK minus! |
| 23:27.21 | nullflow | DKP* |
| 23:27.22 | MoonWitch | gratz Toadkiller |
| 23:27.23 | Pkekyo | bloody hell....isn't there an equivalent of IgnoreMore for friendslist? |
| 23:27.26 | MoonWitch | LOLOL null |
| 23:27.35 | Xinhuan | if you have to split a guild into 2 parts, the management must be doing something wrong - to the point everyone needs an addon to help them manage |
| 23:27.37 | nullflow | That will never get old to me |
| 23:28.09 | MoonWitch | now i have to go watch it again nullflow |
| 23:28.10 | Pkekyo | Xinhuan: it's not officially split in half |
| 23:28.19 | Toadkiller | I was gonna write some more code but now im gonna go make some popcorn instead. Mmm, Redenbacher with real butter I think. |
| 23:28.20 | nullflow | yeah I think I need to give it a rerun myself |
| 23:28.36 | nullflow | sadly I have code to write for class which precludes anything for wow |
| 23:28.39 | Xinhuan | if you have all alts in one guild, and all mains in one guild, its "splitting in half" |
| 23:28.40 | Diao | mm popcorn |
| 23:28.42 | Diao | i haven't had that in years |
| 23:29.05 | Xinhuan | why can't alts chat in /g with mains? |
| 23:29.07 | Pkekyo | Xinhuan: main guild: one alt limit....I have another guild that alot of people tend to dump their remaining alts in |
| 23:29.15 | Toadkiller | Oh man & I actually have some Coke to wash it down with too |
| 23:29.15 | MoonWitch | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRUXOl00zHk nullflow |
| 23:29.23 | Xinhuan | why have the 1-alt limit? |
| 23:29.27 | Xinhuan | sounds silly |
| 23:29.38 | Pkekyo | Xinhuan: don't ask me, I'm not in charge |
| 23:29.41 | nullflow | are you serious? I didn't know there was an actual video! |
| 23:29.46 | Xinhuan | bring it up to them |
| 23:29.53 | nullflow | I only ever saw the little flash animation |
| 23:29.58 | MoonWitch | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU0AB6xAtMg uhm wrong link .. and no that's a fake the previous one |
| 23:29.58 | Pkekyo | allready did several times |
| 23:29.58 | Xinhuan | does having more than 1 alt "clutter the guild list"? |
| 23:30.05 | Xinhuan | because its a pretty dumb idea |
| 23:30.08 | MoonWitch | seriously who can cam and play wow (raiding) |
| 23:30.09 | Xinhuan | imo at least |
| 23:30.18 | Pkekyo | I guess....I asked to have my _bank_char_ in there as well as my main alt...but nah |
| 23:30.19 | nullflow | someone as awesome as him |
| 23:30.58 | Xinhuan | well, i see no benefits of only allowing at most 1-alt |
| 23:31.04 | Toadkiller | The video is not real, its a lip synch... |
| 23:31.07 | Xinhuan | it only encourages players to multi-guild more |
| 23:31.15 | Fisker- | MoonWitch i always wondered |
| 23:31.25 | Xinhuan | and if they end up in a better guild, they could gquit |
| 23:31.26 | MoonWitch | Toadkiller - I said it was lol |
| 23:31.26 | Fisker- | why is johnny depp(it's him right?) a whelp? |
| 23:31.32 | Pkekyo | Xinhuan: I agree, but rules are rules.. |
| 23:31.37 | MoonWitch | Fisker-: it's orlando bloom and why, no idea |
| 23:31.48 | Xinhuan | rules that are silly can be changed |
| 23:31.52 | nullflow | And yeah, it does look like lipsynch |
| 23:32.07 | Toadkiller | <-- slow reader, i miss a lot |
| 23:32.08 | Pkekyo | Xinhuan: my guild motto is "Because dictatorship works..." so no :p |
| 23:32.24 | nullflow | uh the whelp thing, Johnny Depp made a comment about Orlando being a whelp or something in Pirates of the Caribbean |
| 23:32.37 | nullflow | I remember I figured it out once |
| 23:32.38 | MoonWitch | lol I didn't watch it that closely |
| 23:32.54 | Xinhuan | dictatorship works but keep in mind there are low barriers to entry/exit for other guilds :) |
| 23:33.01 | nullflow | Pirates is one of my favorite movies in recent years...the dialogue is genius. |
| 23:33.03 | Fisker- | i never saw pirates of the caribbean |
| 23:33.11 | Pkekyo | actually, the GM just deleted his char last night |
| 23:33.52 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 23:34.23 | Pkekyo | best geared druid in the guild...a guild that lacks healer |
| 23:34.24 | Pkekyo | s |
| 23:34.33 | nullflow | still fighting with Fubar_FuXPFu |
| 23:34.34 | Xinhuan | why |
| 23:34.39 | Toadkiller | A guild that limits alts or kicks out "inactive" alts just pisses me right the hell off & then, oh wait, gquit |
| 23:34.41 | nullflow | Reset my damn settings, already! |
| 23:34.56 | Pkekyo | Xinhuan: why what? |
| 23:35.01 | Xinhuan | why did he delete |
| 23:35.11 | Pkekyo | quitting, he says |
| 23:35.27 | Xinhuan | get the new dictator to change the rules! |
| 23:35.31 | Pkekyo | think he's going to play some 2d pirate mmo instead? rofl |
| 23:35.32 | xerawx | having weird alt policies always seems like typical gm powertripping to me, i'd quit.. |
| 23:35.36 | xerawx | but then i'm an altoholic |
| 23:35.39 | Xinhuan | or change it to a democracy |
| 23:35.40 | Toadkiller | Well u can imagine that someone that splits the guild into 21 guilds based on alt vs main is not exactly stable to begin with ... |
| 23:36.05 | MoonWitch | xerawx: me too |
| 23:36.31 | nullflow | is onebag as good as bagnon yet? :/ |
| 23:36.41 | Toadkiller | Hah my AutoBar test hunter is now 30 & just waiting for the new dustwallow content to keep on leveling |
| 23:36.46 | Xinhuan | there was this guy 2 weeks ago that came in asking for an addon to be written to allow 2 guilds (main and alt guild) to have communication |
| 23:36.48 | Xinhuan | etc |
| 23:37.05 | dylanm_ | Doesn't that exist? |
| 23:37.13 | Toadkiller | Toadkiller eyeballs Pkekyo |
| 23:37.15 | Pkekyo | nullflow: imo, onebag has always been better :> |
| 23:37.17 | Xinhuan | he got "flamed" for having 2 guilds, well sorta |
| 23:37.21 | Pkekyo | Toadkiller: wha? :< |
| 23:37.21 | nullflow | heh :o |
| 23:37.22 | JoshBorke | Xinhuan: imo just use a channel |
| 23:37.31 | xerawx | exactly, just make private channel |
| 23:37.32 | *** join/#wowace flexom (n=Flexom@55.84-49-88.nextgentel.com) |
| 23:37.35 | Toadkiller | Wasnt that you Pkekyo? |
| 23:37.37 | Xinhuan | they do |
| 23:37.42 | Pkekyo | Toadkiller: noes |
| 23:37.45 | nullflow | onebag doesn't search your bags for you :D |
| 23:37.47 | Pkekyo | today was me! |
| 23:37.57 | Toadkiller | Oh man the madness is spreading! |
| 23:37.59 | Xinhuan | his reasoning for running 2 guilds is that they didn't want "alt-chatter" to clutter up /g chat |
| 23:38.06 | Xinhuan | which is the dumbest reason ive ever heard |
| 23:38.08 | Pkekyo | nullflow: true, but then again, I don't have enough shiny epix to have to search through'em yet :< |
| 23:38.14 | Pkekyo | Xinhuan: agreed |
| 23:38.14 | nullflow | lol |
| 23:38.20 | nullflow | sometimes I have trouble finding the odd quest object |
| 23:38.22 | Pkekyo | alt-chatter is what keeps a guild alive and merry |
| 23:38.26 | Toadkiller | Well 2 weeks ago you guild leader was in here bitching at us for not wanting to write mods to support his stupid ass scheme |
| 23:38.28 | Xinhuan | if i'm on my alt, why would what i say become "clutter"? |
| 23:38.42 | nullflow | lol |
| 23:38.56 | nullflow | I command that you all write exceedingly obscure mods for me, right now. |
| 23:39.05 | nullflow | Get to work, you'll be paid nothing. |
| 23:39.17 | Pkekyo | Toadkiller: my guild leader wouldn't want that at all :> |
| 23:39.28 | Pkekyo | Xinhuan: because you speak from another name? :O |
| 23:39.33 | Toadkiller | Ok but what about medical? & dental? |
| 23:39.49 | Xinhuan | Pkekyo: well it isn't very hard in the guild note, to have my main's name listed |
| 23:39.51 | nullflow | Maybe when you finally turn us a profit! |
| 23:40.20 | Xinhuan | after about 3 days, most people will recognise you |
| 23:40.50 | Orionshock | guild note is used for 2 things, what professions you have and who your main is |
| 23:41.04 | Pkekyo | Xinhuan: I know, that's how it works with the current one alts per char |
| 23:41.09 | Pkekyo | per member* |
| 23:41.13 | Diao | so what's wrong with more alts lol |
| 23:41.26 | Pkekyo | I_DON'T_KNOW |
| 23:41.38 | Xinhuan | professions isn't really necessary in the guildnote imo, i'm sure you can "memorise" what professions most people in your guild are after 2 months |
| 23:41.44 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 23:41.49 | Toadkiller | HAving more alts is just too convenient. THese people pay money to play WoW so you need to stick it to them if u are guild leader |
| 23:42.34 | Toadkiller | Yeah we put professions on web site or just let em fight it out on the server forums thread |
| 23:42.41 | Pkekyo | rofl |
| 23:43.02 | Xinhuan | i'm the guild leader of my guild actually... there's only 1 type of alts i don't allow in the guild - level 1 bank alts |
| 23:43.13 | Pkekyo | whyes nuts? :< |
| 23:43.20 | Pkekyo | what about lvl 2 bank alts? |
| 23:43.20 | Xinhuan | because everyone's got like 4 of those |
| 23:43.24 | Toadkiller | Eh? why not? |
| 23:43.40 | Diao | lol |
| 23:43.41 | Xinhuan | and they rarely get logged on for like 10 minutes a week |
| 23:43.49 | nullflow | bank alts will want their own guilds on tuesday anyway |
| 23:43.53 | Pkekyo | 4x lvl 1 bank alts? fucksake, have people buy bigger bags :p |
| 23:44.10 | Xinhuan | they are truely bank alts in the sense people don't stay online on them to do stuff |
| 23:44.12 | Xinhuan | get what i mean? |
| 23:44.17 | Pkekyo | sure |
| 23:44.18 | Toadkiller | Bags are limited to 20 slot x bank & player max... |
| 23:44.19 | nullflow | I know my little pal Ministorage already has his own guild |
| 23:44.30 | nullflow | oh clever gnome names, how I love you. |
| 23:44.39 | Xinhuan | nullflow: that's good planning :D |
| 23:44.40 | Pkekyo | but tossers like myself stay online for maybe half an hour to an hour per day trying to scam some poor soul with alot of ebayed gold and purpelz |
| 23:44.46 | nullflow | :D |
| 23:44.49 | Toadkiller | & flowing stuff through the mail is dangerous. I have lost a shit ton of stuff |
| 23:45.01 | Pkekyo | Toadkiller: howso? |
| 23:45.07 | nullflow | ...really? I've never lost a thing |
| 23:45.19 | Xinhuan | my definition of an alt is a character that you actively play/stay online on |
| 23:45.42 | Pkekyo | my definition of an alt is a character that is not your main :> |
| 23:46.02 | *** join/#wowace kd3 (n=kd3@74.40.36.166) |
| 23:46.11 | Toadkiller | Ok so lets say you mail stuff to alt 1 & 30 days later it gets returned. Well you are a druid so you have no space for this crap so you let it sit & then "get to it later". Well if it reaches 30 day limit it is gone |
| 23:46.15 | nullflow | I'm with Pkekyo |
| 23:46.25 | Xinhuan | so if i have an officer called "Jameson" and someone made a lvl 1 alt called "Lameson", i'll be sure to gkick it after 2 days ;p |
| 23:46.41 | nullflow | Get a mail mod and mass return to sender, Toad. |
| 23:47.04 | nullflow | I've been known to keep tons of items in mail limbo in times of strife and laziness |
| 23:47.19 | Xinhuan | Toadkiller, get a mod that can track mail and tell you if something is expiring :) |
| 23:47.23 | Toadkiller | That only works if u actually return it in time or if the queue isnt so deep you cant see the bottom... |
| 23:47.37 | nullflow | If your queue is that deep you have greater issues. |
| 23:47.48 | Pkekyo | Toadkiller: why does druids require more bagspace than anyone else?= |
| 23:47.54 | nullflow | Yeah I was wondering about that too |
| 23:48.27 | Toadkiller | Sigh. Ok a well geared druid has gear for tank, dps, heal & possibly boomkin |
| 23:48.28 | nullflow | rogues probably take the most, to be perfectly honest |
| 23:48.30 | Xinhuan | only if they try to collect a healing set, a feral set, a tanking set, and a moonkin set at the same time |
| 23:48.41 | Xinhuan | then throw in the fire resist set |
| 23:48.44 | Xinhuan | and the shadow resist set |
| 23:48.47 | JoshBorke | rogues taek the most gear? o.O |
| 23:48.48 | Pkekyo | Toadkiller: as a warrior I carry four sets at all times myself |
| 23:48.55 | nullflow | not the most gear, just the most extraneous items |
| 23:49.00 | Xinhuan | then add in the PvP arena set |
| 23:49.08 | nullflow | Poisons, thieves' tools. |
| 23:49.08 | Toadkiller | Oh yeah dont forget arena |
| 23:49.31 | Toadkiller | realy pkek? what 4 sets do you have? |
| 23:49.41 | Pkekyo | no, I carry five sets actually |
| 23:49.43 | Diao | o_O |
| 23:49.46 | Diao | i carry 2 and bank 3 |
| 23:49.56 | Diao | i only bring out the banked sets if i need them for a specific fight |
| 23:50.02 | nullflow | yeah, you guys need to learn to use the bank :P |
| 23:50.09 | Pkekyo | DW fury, Stamina tanking set, Avoidance tanking set, Block value tanking set, PVP set |
| 23:50.15 | Xinhuan | bags are convenient btw |
| 23:50.15 | Toadkiller | Bank is full too with the resist sets |
| 23:50.30 | Toadkiller | As well as the boomkin & arena one |
| 23:50.43 | Xinhuan | you DO know that if you have a 16-slot bag with say 14 items in it, and if you drag that bag out to exchange for another bag in your char slots |
| 23:50.48 | Xinhuan | all the items inside also get mvoed right? |
| 23:50.53 | Orionshock | arggg |
| 23:50.55 | Toadkiller | So 5 FULL sets + the partial resist sets |
| 23:51.04 | Xinhuan | i like the default UI 5-bag system |
| 23:51.11 | Orionshock | lua> assert( nil = false ) |
| 23:51.11 | cladbot | Orionshock: sandbox.lua:284: Compilation failed: [string "assert( nil = false )"]:1: ')' expected near '=' |
| 23:51.16 | Xinhuan | its a lot better than many of those auto-sorting/filtering bag addons |
| 23:51.25 | Orionshock | lua> assert( nil == false ) |
| 23:51.25 | cladbot | Orionshock: [string "assert( nil == false )"]:1: assertion failed! |
| 23:51.48 | nullflow | I don't do any filtering or sorting, just all bags in one window |
| 23:51.49 | JoshBorke | lua> not not nil == not not false |
| 23:51.49 | cladbot | JoshBorke: true |
| 23:51.54 | Pkekyo | anyone here know ArkInv well? |
| 23:51.59 | nullflow | lol JoshBorke |
| 23:52.13 | Xinhuan | all bags in one window suffers the same issue - you can't swap entire bags of gear in and out of your bank quickly |
| 23:52.15 | Toadkiller | YEs & there are addons that will swap the gear out for u as well. The issue is not getting it to & from banks, the issue is having so much stuff just because I am a druid |
| 23:52.17 | Xinhuan | without seeing the exact bags |
| 23:52.25 | nullflow | you can see them in a decent bag mod |
| 23:52.28 | JoshBorke | QQ |
| 23:52.47 | Xinhuan | yeah allinoneinventory is ok, it shows each bag in a slightly different background color |
| 23:52.59 | nullflow | bagnon = hover the bags to see what's in what bag |
| 23:53.00 | JoshBorke | i <3 combuctor |
| 23:53.10 | nullflow | is combuctor done? |
| 23:53.37 | JoshBorke | it works for me |
| 23:53.45 | JoshBorke | what would you consider done? |
| 23:54.11 | nullflow | For most intents and purposes fully functional |
| 23:54.15 | Xinhuan | JoshBorke, were you working on this "stick-it-notes" addon? |
| 23:54.22 | JoshBorke | Xinhuan: no |
| 23:54.30 | JoshBorke | but i remember someone asking about it |
| 23:54.30 | Xinhuan | someone was hmm |
| 23:54.40 | JoshBorke | and i told them to put a button and grab coordinates on click |
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| 23:54.56 | Xinhuan | he wanted to make it stick on any frame |
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| 23:55.36 | JoshBorke | nullflow: for all intents and purposes it has been fully functional since the "alpha" release |
| 23:55.37 | nullflow | combuctor does look nice |
| 23:55.50 | Xinhuan | Toadkiller, is the docking stuff all working in libsticky? |
| 23:55.54 | nullflow | where is it released to? |
| 23:56.01 | Orionshock | lua> assert( 1 == true) |
| 23:56.01 | cladbot | Orionshock: [string "assert( 1 == true)"]:1: assertion failed! |
| 23:56.05 | Orionshock | :\ |
| 23:56.12 | Pkekyo | is there an addon that will led you add notes to [selected NPC]'s tooltip? |
| 23:56.29 | JoshBorke | Tuller: where is combuctor released to? |
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| 23:56.36 | JoshBorke | lua> not not 1 == not not true |
| 23:56.37 | cladbot | JoshBorke: true |
| 23:56.41 | Pkekyo | ~combuctor |
| 23:56.51 | Toadkiller | Xinhuan: I still need to refactor a lot but theres one callback right now so the mod can save the docking (renamed to sticking) info |
| 23:56.53 | Pkekyo | what's combuctor? |
| 23:57.14 | Xinhuan | Toadkiller: is there a possibility of implementing "namespaces" in libsticky? |
| 23:57.14 | JoshBorke | one second |
| 23:57.15 | Tuller | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=9515.0 |
| 23:57.16 | Xinhuan | for example |
| 23:57.22 | Xinhuan | lets say i write an addon |
| 23:57.23 | JoshBorke | nvmp |
| 23:57.25 | JoshBorke | tuller has it |
| 23:57.32 | Xinhuan | and i only want the frames in my addon to dock with each other, but nothing else |
| 23:57.38 | Xinhuan | i.e not dock with other addons |
| 23:57.49 | Xinhuan | that also register to libsticky |
| 23:58.10 | Orionshock | wtb "Stingy flag on LibStickyFrame" |
| 23:58.16 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 23:58.19 | liquidzoo | Is there a fubar friends list plugin that will sync my friends list athrough all characters on a server? |
| 23:58.29 | nullflow | why thank you, Tuller :D |
| 23:58.40 | Xinhuan | what do you think? |
| 23:58.45 | Toadkiller | Xinhuan: give me a good example for why you need to privatize... |
| 23:59.00 | Xinhuan | an example would be pitbull unit frames |
| 23:59.16 | Xinhuan | lets say you make a GUI that you can drag each element of a unitframe around to your liking |
| 23:59.23 | Xinhuan | say the hpbar, manabar, portrait |
| 23:59.28 | Xinhuan | and other stuff |
| 23:59.44 | Xinhuan | and you only want the individual elements to "dock" to each other |
| 23:59.48 | Xinhuan | and not to other things |
