IRC log for #wowace on 20071031

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`00:01.00`	`Ellipsis`	`I use Violation currently`
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`00:01.29`	`Ellipsis`	`I would probably just use Recount for a few days on Dr. Boom to tweak my rotations`
`00:01.56`	`Lukian`	`retnub paladins`
`00:02.09`	`Lukian`	`49 with archiac defender (31 blue) still`
`00:04.03`	`Lukian`	`yeah never hurts to use multiple meters temporarily :D`
`00:04.04`	`aestil`	`http://wowwebstats.com/eb55zunkin3i3`
`00:04.17`	`aestil`	`i am 'urania' :D`
`00:04.33`	`Kaydeethree`	`new PTR client! current build: 7501. diffs at http://spyglass-server.com/wowints/`
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`00:04.42`	`aestil`	`my omen bugged out last night, and was reporting me at something like.. half of the threat i was doing.`
`00:04.57`	`aestil`	`so i pushed really hard all night [and pulled aggro twice, which doesn't normally happen]`
`00:05.06`	`aestil`	`but on the upside, i lead all dps'ers :)`
`00:05.28`	`aestil`	`and returned 170k mana over the course of the night.`
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`00:19.00`	`CIA-7`	`03phanx * r53551 10CML/ (CML.toc cml.lua cmlOptions.lua embeds.xml):`
`00:19.00`	`CIA-7`	`CML:`
`00:19.00`	`CIA-7`	`- Added optional FPS display.`
`00:19.00`	`CIA-7`	`- Added text alignment option.`
`00:19.00`	`CIA-7`	`- Split options to separate file, so you can delete it if you don't want options.`
`00:19.01`	`CIA-7`	`- Probably some other things I forgot about.`
`00:19.36`	`Stanzilla`	`yay`
`00:21.46`	`buu`	`Does anyone have a recommendation for a friendlist type addon?`
`00:21.55`	`buu`	`I need.. better things. Like folders and notes.`
`00:22.04`	`aestil`	`ALS?`
`00:22.17`	`buu`	`What does that even do?`
`00:22.28`	`aestil`	`i think exactly what you just asked for.`
`00:22.54`	`buu`	`Hrm.`
`00:22.58`	`buu`	`I examine.`
`00:23.35`	`silentium`	`ALS colours friend list entries according to level, class etc, it remembers these infos even if ppl are offline, it allows to set notes, it has an interactive fubar plugin that shows online friends in a mouseover`
`00:23.39`	`aestil`	`phanx, that CML update makes me think i'll be using it now. like all the cool kids.`
`00:23.41`	`buu`	`Lacks folders =[`
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`00:23.50`	`aestil`	`folders?`
`00:23.52`	`CIA-7`	`03toadkiller * r53552 10AutoBar/ (AutoBarOptions.lua ChangeList.lua Style.lua):`
`00:23.52`	`CIA-7`	`AutoBar:`
`00:23.52`	`CIA-7`	`-- Comment out some debug info.`
`00:24.10`	`aestil`	`bayimage and tinypic failed me. i had to resort to image shack`
`00:24.12`	`aestil`	`http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2885/raidingbb5.png`
`00:24.13`	`buu`	`aestil: Think of.. AIM or MSN or some such, where you can create 'folders' or 'groups' or some such.`
`00:24.24`	`aestil`	`it too failed me.`
`00:24.35`	`buu`	`Why is your image.. so small..`
`00:24.41`	`aestil`	`because everything failed me`
`00:24.44`	`aestil`	`bayimg failed`
`00:24.47`	`aestil`	`tinypic failed`
`00:24.50`	`aestil`	`image shack failed`
`00:24.58`	`aestil`	`why is there no good hosting`
`00:24.58`	`buu`	`Now I'm curious.`
`00:25.23`	`Industrial`	`sag_ich_nicht: woot bloodseeker`
`00:25.32`	`buu`	`aestil: What is that thing next to your minimap?`
`00:25.38`	`Industrial`	`sag_ich_nicht: going from 100 normal hits to first shot with it 600 crit`
`00:25.48`	`aestil`	`who knows. i can't see, its too small.`
`00:26.02`	`buu`	`aestil: And what is your resolution?`
`00:26.07`	`aestil`	`1920x1200`
`00:26.11`	`buu`	`Yeow.`
`00:26.20`	`aestil`	`anyone have another image host i can try?`
`00:26.33`	`buu`	`I would, but I don't remember the password.`
`00:26.50`	`Eggi`	`try img.pulseone.at`
`00:26.59`	`Industrial`	`bildr.no`
`00:27.04`	`Ellipsis`	`aestil, I don't get it, why do you fail at image hosting?`
`00:27.30`	`Ellipsis`	`are you copying the thumbnail URL instead of the full image or something?`
`00:27.48`	`buu`	`I wonder what the hell the password is.`
`00:28.28`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Hey, anyone think they can find me an image of the cake from the Portal ending?`
`00:28.59`	`aestil`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:29.01`	`aestil`	`1000`
`00:29.09`	`aestil`	`indy, file is 1.8MB`
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`00:29.29`	`Lukian`	`hmm I wonder if I can get a shooting timer for icehud`
`00:29.31`	`CIA-7`	`03kemayo * r53553 10AuldLangSyne/ (8 files in 8 dirs): AuldLangSyne: Revert last commit.`
`00:29.44`	`Lukian`	`Kemayo, does it work now? :D`
`00:30.26`	`aestil`	`http://www.imagebam.com/image/238cc3640871`
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`00:31.51`	`Ellipsis`	`great aestil, if only that site didn't fail at direct image linking :\|`
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`00:32.42`	`aestil`	`http://www.imagebam.com/image/238cc3640871`
`00:33.01`	`Audrina`	`the link works`
`00:33.14`	`Ellipsis`	`also, you posted full size screenshots on imageshack before, so it clearly can be done`
`00:33.21`	`Ellipsis`	`I think you're just made of fail today`
`00:33.38`	`Ellipsis`	`oh, AND bayimg`
`00:34.17`	`Kemayo`	`Lukian: It should.`
`00:34.35`	`Lukian`	`will try after this quest :D`
`00:34.44`	`Lukian`	`that last commit sucked :p`
`00:34.56`	`Lukian`	`logged in and I was like "aww, my favorite addon is broken"`
`00:35.11`	`Shadowed`	`Anyone know offhand how many people you can ignore total, I believe it's 25`
`00:35.19`	`Kemayo`	`Lukian: Well, you'll probably need to wait another 10 minutes or so before it actually gets to files.`
`00:35.33`	`Kemayo`	`Shadowed: 50.`
`00:35.37`	`Shadowed`	`You sure?`
`00:35.39`	`Lukian`	`k, i'll watch version number`
`00:35.47`	`Kemayo`	`Shadowed: /print MAX_IGNORES`
`00:35.48`	`Shadowed`	`I know it's 50 for friends`
`00:36.02`	`Shadowed`	`MAX_IGNORE not MAX_IGNORES`
`00:36.03`	`Shadowed`	`but so it is`
`00:36.12`	`Kemayo`	`Same difference.`
`00:36.23`	`Shadowed`	`one returns nil, another returns 50 so no =p`
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`00:49.08`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`night guys`
`00:49.21`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`night bitch`
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`00:50.12`	`NivFreak`	`man is autoprofitx broken`
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`00:51.58`	`tinyboom`	`anyone know the command to configure CML? /CML does not work.... :p`
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`00:53.31`	`tinyboom`	`nvm, it's TU`
`00:55.20`	`harldephin`	`damn. i wish i could move AutoBar using the arrow keys or something..`
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`01:02.27`	`Kaelten`	`you guys talk way to much`
`01:02.42`	`Ellipsis`	`srsly`
`01:06.35`	`tinyboom`	`nevah:p`
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`01:13.23`	`Lukian`	`Kemayo, some of the estimates in ToFu are way off :p`
`01:14.18`	`Ellipsis`	`ToFu can be screwy sometimes, I just ignore it unless I'm taking a known route :P`
`01:14.50`	`tinyboom`	`Kemayo: and if you dc in flight it makes a new icon on map with the flightmaster you just left:)`
`01:15.44`	`Lukian`	`I wonder if someone has a complete dataset for it :p`
`01:16.15`	`NivFreak`	`how do you talk in custom chat channels with prat?`
`01:16.15`	`NivFreak`	`heh`
`01:16.29`	`Lukian`	`guess the number :p`
`01:16.34`	`Lukian`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:17.12`	`NivFreak`	`oddly that doesn't seem to be working`
`01:17.32`	`NivFreak`	`oh wait`
`01:17.35`	`NivFreak`	`it was just way higher`
`01:17.52`	`Lukian`	`o -> chat will tell you the number btw`
`01:18.09`	`NivFreak`	`yea`
`01:18.14`	`NivFreak`	`it just put them way high`
`01:18.20`	`NivFreak`	`and I wasn't expecting it`
`01:18.45`	`NivFreak`	`it shows the number by default, not the name`
`01:18.46`	`NivFreak`	`odd...`
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`01:23.03`	`Timangi`	`anyone here?`
`01:23.48`	`Ellipsis`	`nope`
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`01:25.43`	`RogueShadow`	`not at all`
`01:27.01`	`Lukian`	`I'm invisible!`
`01:33.50`	`Stanzilla`	`http://www.warcraftmovies.com/stream.php?id=46303&stream=Google`
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`01:50.22`	`RogueShadow`	`but seriously, why is it so quiet`
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`01:51.45`	`ulic`	`everyones coding or playing I guess`
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`01:57.43`	`RogueShadow`	`Good reason to me. :)`
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`01:59.05`	`futurekill`	`anyone else getting all sorts of errors with cartographer? All the one's I've received mention LibRockLocale...`
`02:02.25`	`ulic`	`he didn't stick around long enough for me to tell him that probably means somebody hosed a translation.`
`02:07.01`	`harldephin`	`the only errors i'm currently getting are coming from AutoBar`
`02:07.04`	`harldephin`	`lines..`
`02:07.16`	`harldephin`	`251 and 258`
`02:07.31`	`harldephin`	`in AutoBarClassButton.lua`
`02:07.57`	`harldephin`	`no errors from Cartographer or Rock`
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`02:09.06`	`ulic`	`he probably didn't update`
`02:09.46`	`cchome`	`how do u disable the titlebar of proximo?`
`02:14.39`	`ulic`	`did you check in the settings using /proximo?`
`02:14.56`	`ulic`	`if there isn't an option someplace in there, it's probably not built to be disabled, so you'd have to hack it.`
`02:19.19`	`hyperChipmunk`	`not a threat`
`02:19.20`	`hyperChipmunk`	`mis`
`02:19.27`	`Ellipsis`	`o.O`
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`02:25.38`	`CIA-7`	`03cwdg * r53554 10BigWigs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): BigWigs: update zhCN local`
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`02:31.36`	`Borked\|Raider`	`http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2082/wowforumbanaz3.jpg`
`02:32.02`	`Borked\|Raider`	`who to judge whats anoying :D`
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`02:35.25`	`Aethelwulf`	`what is a good addon to keep track of my own effective dps? (I don't care about the rest of the group/raid, just my own)`
`02:35.37`	`Ellipsis`	`FuBar_DPS is a nice simple one`
`02:38.05`	`kebinusan`	`nanostatsfu`
`02:46.52`	`Aethelwulf`	`is item sync good to have or not?`
`02:47.53`	`Ellipsis`	`er..."good" is pretty subjective`
`02:47.56`	`Ellipsis`	`if it does what you want, sure`
`02:49.26`	`Aethelwulf`	`thing is I have never really understood why addons like lootlink, itemsync and such exist`
`02:49.43`	`Ellipsis`	`if you don't have a need for it, then don't use it shrug`
`02:51.00`	`Aethelwulf`	`that's the problem, I don't know if I need it or not >.<`
`02:53.26`	`starlon`	`They exist for me`
`02:53.37`	`harldephin`	`why would you "want" to use something you don't know you actually need or not`
`02:54.14`	`harldephin`	`that's like building a swimming pool without knowing what it's good for`
`02:55.12`	`Ellipsis`	`yeah`
`02:55.27`	`Ellipsis`	`it'd be like me downloading a PvP mod not really knowing what it does or whether I need it, when I don't even PvP >_>`
`02:55.48`	`harldephin`	`right`
`02:57.16`	`ulic`	`itemdb is really only useful if you forget stats on items, or like to link items when guildies say 'what are the stats on Merciless blah blah blah'`
`02:57.31`	`harldephin`	`ok, i _did_ download add-ons i read a description for when i thought "oh, hell yea, that seems to be pretty cool idea.. i could actually use that once in a while (whatever "a while" may be)"..`
`02:58.23`	`Ellipsis`	`I do that from time to time... "hey that's a neat concept, I wonder how well it works in practice"`
`02:58.29`	`ulic`	`of course, and often a description is inticing but the mod it self isn't so hot :)`
`02:58.30`	`Ellipsis`	`if it actually adds to my enjoyment of the game, I keep it`
`02:58.38`	`Ellipsis`	`but more often than not I end up deciding it's just not my thing`
`02:58.41`	`harldephin`	`but i didn't try to use add-ons i didn't know anything about, so that's pretty much like.. commercials or something. still like a need for me. if a description sounds stupid, i don't want to use it either.`
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`03:14.21`	Funkeh`	`later folks`
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`03:20.11`	`Antiarc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:20.14`	`Antiarc`	`Plus a priest version.`
`03:20.31`	`Antiarc`	`Woo, my offhand crits for like 200 damage are going to bump priests/druids to mail-level mitigation.`
`03:23.26`	`Wobin`	`Your offhand crits?`
`03:24.41`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`good. That'll teach rogues to shiv me`
`03:24.59`	`Wobin`	`shivshivshiv`
`03:25.28`	`Wobin`	`sigh`
`03:25.32`	`JoshBorke`	`Cryect: wtf, death log not resizable :_(`
`03:25.36`	`Wobin`	`spend the money and effort farming for Dirge`
`03:25.41`	`Wobin`	`spend the badges on Sunblade`
`03:25.49`	`Wobin`	`Or try and get the drop from Heroic Ramp?`
`03:25.58`	`Wobin`	`I need a faster offhand =\`
`03:26.10`	`Cryect`	`JoshBorke: You just noticed that?`
`03:26.16`	`JoshBorke`	`yea, fix it!`
`03:26.24`	`Cryect`	`JoshBorke: What is resizable besides realtime graphs?`
`03:26.53`	`JoshBorke`	`main window`
`03:27.04`	`Cryect`	`heh doh`
`03:27.09`	`JoshBorke`	`PWNED`
`03:27.31`	`Cryect`	`I'm more interested with getting a job at the moment than changing something like that in Recount :-p`
`03:28.07`	`Antiarc`	`Cryect: Plz to do something to make Recount not be a bandwidth whore ;_;`
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`03:28.44`	`Cryect`	`There is some magic numbers in it you can actually change to do that`
`03:28.49`	`Antiarc`	`Ooh`
`03:28.53`	`Cryect`	`And I quit WoW a few months ago :-p`
`03:28.53`	`Antiarc`	`I may have to go digging then`
`03:28.58`	`Wobin`	`45. 22 and 818`
`03:29.01`	`Antiarc`	`Bah, bah I say!`
`03:29.02`	`Cryect`	`check sync.lua`
`03:29.06`	`Antiarc`	`I will do so. Thanks.`
`03:29.20`	`Antiarc`	`Would you be philosophically opposed to a patch that delayed synching till post-combat?`
`03:30.16`	`Cryect`	`syncing at post combat adds a lot of potential for extra error`
`03:30.35`	`Antiarc`	`How's that?`
`03:30.47`	`Antiarc`	`Note that I'm completely oblivious to your synch methods`
`03:30.53`	`Cryect`	`for someone to be correctly tracked at a post combat sync would require 1 person using it get all messages for a player for that player to be accurate`
`03:31.09`	`Cryect`	`Its the basic who has the larger value type syncing`
`03:31.18`	`Xelopheris`	`plus... hunters.`
`03:31.20`	`Cryect`	`and assume they saw the most messages`
`03:31.26`	`Antiarc`	`Xelopheris: You could put a delay on it`
`03:31.47`	`Antiarc`	`Well, I guess I don't understand why in-combat synching is more accurate than post-combat synching.`
`03:32.06`	`Xelopheris`	`I'm just thinking of the amount of data you'd transmit at once`
`03:32.14`	`Cryect`	`Because the chance you miss messages over a large delta is much greater than small deltas`
`03:32.19`	`Antiarc`	`Well, you'd want to thtorttle it`
`03:32.25`	`Antiarc`	`Oh, that makes sense.`
`03:32.41`	`Cryect`	`basically whatever the delta is set effects the error`
`03:32.48`	`Antiarc`	`Also, does Recount check if there are any valid receivers in the raid before attempting to synch?`
`03:32.49`	`Cryect`	`during that delta someone needs to have seen all the messages in theory`
`03:33.02`	`Cryect`	`nope thats an optimization that could be added`
`03:33.22`	`Antiarc`	`I may do that one. We have one person in our guild that uses it and their net traffic is several orders of magnitude higher than everyone else after a raid`
`03:33.24`	`Cryect`	`Clients send messages on joining/logging in so no reason it couldn't`
`03:33.31`	`Antiarc`	`But they aren't synching to anyone, since they're the only ones that use it.`
`03:33.35`	`Cryect`	`haha`
`03:33.39`	`Cryect`	`one second`
`03:33.45`	`Cryect`	`there is a way to completely disable syncing`
`03:33.50`	`Cryect`	`I forget the var off top my head`
`03:34.07`	`Antiarc`	`Recount.db.char.EnableSync`
`03:34.14`	`Fisker-`	`ooh`
`03:34.16`	`Fisker-`	`people i can attack`
`03:34.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`we have one person that uses recount too and they send 5x as much data during a raid than anybody else`
`03:34.46`	`Fisker-`	`no u :(`
`03:34.54`	`Antiarc`	`Cryect: If I cook up and test a patch that disables synch if there are no valid receivers, would you be cool with me committing?`
`03:34.58`	`Fisker-`	`you're cheating`
`03:35.28`	`Cryect`	`Sure assuming it still works`
`03:35.33`	`Antiarc`	`Hehe, indeed.`
`03:35.35`	`Antiarc`	`Breakage is bad!`
`03:35.43`	`Cryect`	`could just do /script Recount.SendMsgQueue=nil`
`03:35.53`	`Cryect`	`that will completely disable sending of messages`
`03:36.16`	`Antiarc`	`Well, I'm mostly wanting to find optimizations over hackish solutions`
`03:36.17`	`Cryect`	`looks like I removed the hidden var for disabling syncing`
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`03:37.46`	`Cryect`	`I personally really wasn't pleased with how I implemented syncing`
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`03:40.20`	`Brunera`	`why is autobar getting resetted each time i update it?`
`03:46.10`	`CIA-7`	`03backbone * r53555 10/tags/LibEventForward-1.0/ (. v1/ v1/LibEventForward-1.0.lua v1/LibEventForward-1.0.toc):`
`03:46.10`	`CIA-7`	`LibEventForward-1.0`
`03:46.10`	`CIA-7`	`- initial import`
`03:46.10`	`CIA-7`	`- forwards events through comm channels`
`03:46.10`	`CIA-7`	`- dispatch received events`
`03:46.11`	`CIA-7`	`- throttle functions`
`03:46.13`	`CIA-7`	`- API and feature recommends are welcome`
`03:46.59`	`Antiarc`	`I hope that throttling considers Blizzard's new channel throttling limits.`
`03:48.22`	`Xinhuan`	`they removed throttling in yesterday's server maintenance`
`03:48.22`	`backbone87`	`it is based on LibRockComm so the base throttling is done by ChatThrottleLib, but there are some additional throttlings to avoid spam`
`03:48.23`	`Xinhuan`	`i just tested`
`03:48.32`	`Xinhuan`	`multiline macros work again in /2`
`03:48.49`	`Xinhuan`	`as does spamming damage meters in custom/guild channels`
`03:49.23`	`Xinhuan`	`so there is little to no need for throttling`
`03:50.09`	`Antiarc`	`Well`
`03:50.18`	`Antiarc`	`The throttle will be active in custom channels with >25 people`
`03:50.26`	`Antiarc`	`And ChatThrottleLib won't prevent you from exceeding it`
`03:50.31`	`backbone87`	`yeah but if you forward UNIT_HEALTH in a raid...`
`03:50.46`	`Antiarc`	`In a raid should be fine if it's using the raid addon channel`
`03:50.56`	`Xinhuan`	`that's spam throttling though, which is different from the 1-line max throttle we saw last 2 weeks`
`03:51.19`	`Antiarc`	`Right, but it's set to, what, 1 message/0.67 sec or something?`
`03:51.29`	`Xinhuan`	`can be removed now`
`03:51.48`	`Xinhuan`	`i just did a 40 line damage report without issues`
`03:51.58`	`[dRaCo]`	`rff`
`03:52.06`	`[dRaCo]`	`... sorry`
`03:52.41`	`backbone87`	`Anti mean me?`
`03:53.08`	`Keias`	`Industrial around?`
`03:55.25`	`Antiarc`	`backbone87: The Blizzard throttling, I meant`
`03:55.38`	`Antiarc`	`Lemme dig up the thread.`
`03:56.01`	`Antiarc`	`" Yes, I've been told that improved throttling is live with the realm restarts today. The throttling is set to15 messages in 10 seconds for all channels."`
`03:56.21`	`Antiarc`	`shrug`
`03:56.42`	`Industrial`	`Keias: hai lucky.`
`03:56.44`	`backbone87`	`i hope this does not affect the addon channels?`
`03:56.46`	`Industrial`	`Keias: couldnt sleep`
`03:56.53`	`Antiarc`	`Just chat channels, I think`
`03:57.06`	`Keias`	`Not too sure if you're the one to ask about this, but`
`03:57.09`	`Antiarc`	`Which is why I was worried at first - the commit note made it sound like you were doing event replication over a chat channel`
`03:57.14`	`Antiarc`	`If it's an addon channel, then nevermind me :)`
`03:57.16`	`Xinhuan`	`actually,`
`03:57.17`	`Keias`	`Is there any way to hide the player auras on your oUF layout?`
`03:57.26`	`Keias`	`Or would that be something I get to bug haste about? :D`
`03:57.28`	`Xinhuan`	`i wonder why the are implementing this chat throttle spam on the server side`
`03:57.36`	`Industrial`	`Keias: no that's in my code`
`03:57.40`	`Xinhuan`	`it would have made much better sense to throttle it on the client wow.exe side`
`03:57.46`	`backbone87`	`Antiarc: yeah LibRockComm send it through addon channels`
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`03:58.01`	`Xinhuan`	`preventing you from sending it as opposed to the server telling you you are throttled`
`03:58.04`	`JoshBorke`	`Xinhuan: is Cartographer_Routes going to get Ace support or no?`
`03:58.08`	`Antiarc`	`Xinhuan: I think it's so that the server doesn't end up sending an assload of traffic.`
`03:58.20`	`Xinhuan`	`but currently it does antiarc`
`03:58.21`	`Antiarc`	`It's just there to reduce the traffic load, AFAIK`
`03:58.41`	`Xinhuan`	`if you send a 40 line report, the first 15 goes thru, the last 25 gets returned as "you are trying to spam"`
`03:58.45`	`Industrial`	`Keias: in the file layout.lua; look for "f.Aura = true"`
`03:58.51`	`Xinhuan`	`so that's 25 lines sent and 25 lines returned to you`
`03:58.53`	`Industrial`	`Keias: set that to false and you are done :P`
`03:58.55`	`Xinhuan`	`that is wasted bandwodth`
`03:58.58`	`Keias`	`thanks a bunch :D`
`03:59.01`	`Industrial`	`np`
`03:59.04`	`Antiarc`	`Well, if you have 25 people in a channel, then each message you send costs the server msg len * 25 bytes + overhead`
`03:59.09`	`Keias`	`Love the layout. Been looking for something other than pitbull for months :(`
`03:59.14`	`Xinhuan`	`it makes more sense to modify wow.exe client side to prevent you from even sending the last 25 in the first place`
`03:59.17`	`Antiarc`	`The throttling reduces that to 1x`
`03:59.25`	`Antiarc`	`Well, yeah. I suppose it was easier to do it serverside.`
`03:59.30`	`Xinhuan`	`i.e the client informs the user he is spamming`
`03:59.34`	`Xinhuan`	`rather than the server`
`03:59.38`	`CIA-7`	`03bashui * r53556 10CatPoints/ (5 files):`
`03:59.38`	`CIA-7`	`CatPoints:`
`03:59.38`	`CIA-7`	`- Updated to Toskks latest calculator`
`03:59.39`	`Antiarc`	`They may put that into 2.3 or something`
`03:59.46`	`Antiarc`	`But that'd require a client push to implement`
`03:59.46`	`Xinhuan`	`sometimes half the things the server does seems so meaningless`
`04:00.07`	`Xinhuan`	`since the server now has to track who is spamming and how many messages everybody each sent in the last 10 secs`
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`04:00.50`	`Paradox_`	`Xinhuan, develops cartographer?`
`04:01.01`	`Antiarc`	`I suspect it's just a stopgap solution until the next client patch.`
`04:01.35`	`Xinhuan`	`JoshBorke: i'm really only in charge of the backend algorithms that generate/calculate the route ;p`
`04:02.00`	`Xinhuan`	`the frontend UI, and codebase is mostly by Grum`
`04:02.34`	`Xinhuan`	`so my route calculation code is actually framework independant`
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`04:03.11`	`Xinhuan`	`its under GPL liscense, so you don't actually have to steal it ;p`
`04:04.01`	`JoshBorke`	`i know`
`04:04.13`	`Xinhuan`	`it makes a single call to rock which is Rock("Tourist-2.0") or something`
`04:04.22`	`Xinhuan`	`which is easily modified to`
`04:04.29`	`JoshBorke`	`i've actually been porting all commits to TSP.lua from head to the version that was last Aced`
`04:04.59`	`JoshBorke`	`now i can just copy TSP.lua from head :-D`
`04:05.00`	`Xinhuan`	`if Rock then Rock(blah) elseif AceLibrary then AceLibrary(blah) else error("needs rock or ace2") end`
`04:05.24`	`Xinhuan`	`just a single line somewhere near the top`
`04:05.41`	`JoshBorke`	`indeed`
`04:05.59`	`Paradox_`	`anyone know an alternative to cartographers Foglight ?`
`04:07.00`	`Xinhuan`	`i hope my code is documented well enough to be readable ;p`
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`04:07.44`	`JoshBorke`	`if by readable you mean a whole bunch of algorithm implementation, then yes`
`04:08.19`	`Xinhuan`	`it used to be a lot more readable than it currently is`
`04:08.32`	`Xinhuan`	`for eg, i used to have a 2d array, weight[a][b]`
`04:08.52`	`Xinhuan`	`changing that to weight[a*N-b] made it like 30% faster`
`04:08.56`	`Xinhuan`	`i.e 1D array`
`04:09.22`	`JoshBorke`	`aye`
`04:09.24`	`Xinhuan`	`so in that sense, it became "less readable"`
`04:09.26`	`JoshBorke`	`i did that merge :-D`
`04:09.48`	`Xinhuan`	`and to reduce the number of times "a*N-b" was calculated`
`04:09.54`	`Xinhuan`	`a bunch of extra locals were added`
`04:12.35`	`Xinhuan`	`if you're still using the last available ace2 version, you're probably just missing out on automatic route updating on mining/herbing a new node`
`04:12.44`	`Xinhuan`	`and probably the lack of battlemap lines`
`04:13.12`	`Xinhuan`	`hmm i gotta go out soon, Hellgate London launch in 3 hours`
`04:18.04`	`backbone87`	`someone had the time and leisure to look over my commit? comments and feedback highly welcome :D`
`04:21.21`	`CIA-7`	`03helium * r53557 10ManaPerc/ (5 files):`
`04:21.21`	`CIA-7`	`ManaPerc:`
`04:21.21`	`CIA-7`	`- use embeds.xml`
`04:21.21`	`CIA-7`	`- added zhTW localization`
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`04:27.17`	`Xinhuan`	`http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/`
`04:27.19`	`Xinhuan`	`hahahahha`
`04:27.28`	`Xinhuan`	`last post of http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=9415.0;topicseen`
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`04:31.18`	`NightHawkTheSan1`	`meh, flippant and dumb response to a real issue. although the license is amusing. :P`
`04:31.59`	`CIA-7`	`03kaelten 07Alpha * r53558 10Ace3/ (AceAddon-3.0/AceAddon-3.0.lua LICENSE.txt):`
`04:31.59`	`CIA-7`	`Added SetDefaultPrototype to AceAddon, I stored the default prototype at`
`04:31.59`	`CIA-7`	`self.DefaultPrototype instead of inside the metatable because thats where all`
`04:31.59`	`CIA-7`	`the similar metadata is stored. I have no problem with us moving it to the`
`04:32.00`	`CIA-7`	`metatable, but I feel we should be consistant, or at least put some more thoguht`
`04:32.02`	`CIA-7`	`into exceptions. Also added standard BSD license for the time being. We can`
`04:32.04`	`CIA-7`	`alter it later if we decide to`
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`04:39.38`	`Antiarc`	`http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071029/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_germany_halloween`
`04:41.56`	`harldephin`	`lol. that's just stupid. -.-`
`04:43.03`	`harldephin`	`oh well.. i don't really like halloween anyway.`
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`04:47.54`	`omniwolf`	`hey dudes.`
`04:48.06`	`omniwolf`	`love the ace updater program! such a time saver.`
`04:48.54`	`RogueShadow`	`mmm. I just read a paragraph explaining briefly the gpl and what it does.`
`04:49.16`	`RogueShadow`	`seems useless related to wow.`
`04:49.30`	`Antiarc`	`Well, it allows for the free spread of addon code`
`04:49.38`	`Antiarc`	`Addon code is copyright protected, just as anything else is.`
`04:49.47`	`RogueShadow`	`ic ic.`
`04:50.04`	`Antiarc`	`So, by licensing it, authors can give permissions to people to use and extend that code as they see fit without having to ask permission`
`04:50.10`	`RogueShadow`	`I guess I never read all of WoW's licenses enough to know if they claim ownership of your addon code if you ever use it with wow`
`04:50.12`	`Antiarc`	`Which is good for promoting knowledge in the community`
`04:50.16`	`Antiarc`	`Well, no, they don`
`04:50.18`	`Antiarc`	`don't*`
`04:50.45`	`Antiarc`	`But authors own their code, and it's illegal under copyright law for someone else to take that code and use it in their own project without permission - ie, a license.`
`04:51.13`	`Antiarc`	`Even though the code is available due to the non-compiled nature of WoW addons, that doesn't make it okay to just take it and use it without permission from its owner - that is, the author.`
`04:51.26`	`RogueShadow`	`ic ic`
`04:52.07`	`RogueShadow`	`Similar to other things, such as books, and magazines I imagine.`
`04:52.49`	`RogueShadow`	`Someday I'll read the license text. But does it matter if I don't speak lawyer?`
`04:53.27`	`omniwolf`	`no.. but in compiled code the GPL will specify that if you do use others code, or plugin to others code, you must licence YOUR code under GPL as well, and provide source`
`04:53.40`	`Antiarc`	`Well, the GPL can be summed up as "You can use this code and the resulting product for anything you can, but you have to license your code as GPL, and you have to distribute your source"`
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`04:53.56`	`Antiarc`	`It's basically a way to force open source and prevent code from becoming proprietary and/or closed.`
`04:54.17`	`Antiarc`	`Hence the "viral" label that the GPL gets`
`04:54.27`	`Antiarc`	`Since anything that uses GPL code has to become GPL under the license.`
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`04:54.39`	`Antiarc`	`(which is why I'm fond of the LGPL, personally)`
`04:55.14`	`RogueShadow`	`Yeah, I read that in the paragraph I mentioned.`
`04:55.19`	`RogueShadow`	`Viral is fitting.`
`04:55.29`	`RogueShadow`	`They claim, power to the free people.`
`04:55.43`	`NightHawkTheSan1`	`people get fanatic about licensing like they do about religion. >.>`
`04:56.13`	`Antiarc`	`NightHawkTheSan1: My license can beat up your license.`
`04:56.25`	`NightHawkTheSan1`	`yeah, well you're license is a whore.`
`04:56.28`	`NightHawkTheSan1`	`your*`
`04:56.29`	`RogueShadow`	`Can you infact change your license from GPL to LGPL or something. or does it insist it stays that way. I mean if your the author`
`04:56.41`	`Antiarc`	`Yeah, well, your license kick puppies`
`04:56.53`	`Antiarc`	`If you're the author you can license or relicense your code any way you want`
`04:56.55`	`NightHawkTheSan1`	`you can change the license like that, but versions released under GPL are still GPLd`
`04:56.59`	`Antiarc`	`Right`
`04:57.13`	`Antiarc`	`So if I release Threat-1.0 as GPL, then all copies released under that license remain GPL`
`04:57.15`	`omniwolf`	`it definitely has its advantages`
`04:57.41`	`Antiarc`	`But, if I change the license, all copies downloaded with the new license are subject to that new license.`
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`05:00.31`	`poox`	`Hi there, I am trying to find something to announce the composition of mount hyjal trash waves, been trawling the wiki/forums and scanning through the bigwigs hyjal module to see how hard it would be to add something`
`05:00.53`	`Antiarc`	`It wouldn't be hard, since the composition is static`
`05:01.03`	`poox`	`I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of something aced which already does this or discuss the idea of an additional BW module`
`05:01.10`	`RogueShadow`	`Most addons I imagine have no defined license, should one assume there is a standard one that applies to all work?`
`05:01.15`	`poox`	`yea, I was thinking it might be a nice optional extra, ala Zombiefood`
`05:01.21`	`Antiarc`	`The standard license is privately held`
`05:01.26`	`Antiarc`	`That is, there's no permission to reuse that code.`
`05:01.29`	`NightHawkTheSan1`	`RogueShadow: standard license is none whatsoever.`
`05:01.37`	`NightHawkTheSan1`	`yeah, that.`
`05:01.41`	`RogueShadow`	`lol`
`05:02.24`	`NightHawkTheSan1`	`it's fairly true for all creations, if you don't define any license for use, you own all rights related to (re)use of said creation.`
`05:02.26`	`Antiarc`	`It's like, if I write a book, the default rights under copyright law say that only I may replicate, distribute, or create derivative works of that book. Anyone else is in violation of my copyright.`
`05:02.48`	`Antiarc`	`But, if I take it to a publisher, I have to grant them a license to print and distribute the book.`
`05:03.24`	`RogueShadow`	`mHmm. yes it is a rather intriging subject. Copyrights and licensing.`
`05:03.38`	`Antiarc`	`A license is just a set of permissions you grant to someone else regarding how they may use something you own. If you don't grant a license (ie, don't give permission), then they have no rights to use it, naturally.`
`05:04.12`	`Xelopheris`	`Any work of an author is his own and cannot be copied, replicated, or reused, without the explicit consent of the author, unless otherwise stated.`
`05:04.56`	`Xelopheris`	`That prevents the loophole of writing the world's greatest novel, then having someone photocopy it the day before you go to get it published`
`05:05.34`	`Antiarc`	`This is why you are asked to get permission before you make any commits to anyone's code in the SVN. If it isn't licensed, you have no legal right to modify it. If it is licensed, then legally you're okay to modify it, but it's polite to ask :)`
`05:05.50`	`RogueShadow`	`Do what you want license ~= Legal talk for: Third Party: Hey, mind if I use your code. You: Yeah, go ahead, do whatever. If I understand right. Someday, there will be a web translator for the language "legalese"`
`05:05.53`	`Xelopheris`	`If it's licenced, then it depends on the licence`
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`05:06.20`	`Antiarc`	`Xelo: Well, yeah, but most all Wowace addons are GPL, BSD, or a variant :)`
`05:06.33`	`RogueShadow`	`I imagine most actually licensed things here are .. yeah what antiarc said`
`05:06.48`	`Xelopheris`	`coughRDXcough`
`05:06.52`	`Antiarc`	`RDX isn't ace :)`
`05:07.00`	`RogueShadow`	`and Ace itself is?`
`05:07.01`	`Antiarc`	`And should be going open source soon, from what I hear.`
`05:07.07`	`Antiarc`	`ACE is GPL, I think.`
`05:07.09`	`Antiarc`	`Err. Ace.`
`05:07.10`	`RogueShadow`	`well, ace3 is BSD as of the last commit`
`05:09.38`	`Xelopheris`	`Wow. My gquit today caused an entire guild disband...`
`05:09.43`	`Antiarc`	`o.0`
`05:09.53`	`Ellipsis`	`grats Xelopheris`
`05:10.07`	`Xelopheris`	`It's awesome, isn't it?`
`05:10.14`	`NightHawkTheSan1`	`good deal`
`05:10.16`	`Xelopheris`	`I kinda feel sorry now`
`05:10.35`	`NightHawkTheSan1`	`kinda, but not really?`
`05:10.41`	`Antiarc`	`One of the GMs in my guild alliance was trying to disband a party once and typed /gdisband, thinking it would work like /radisband`
`05:10.45`	`Antiarc`	`That was pretty lol`
`05:10.53`	`Antiarc`	`Like 300 characters in the guild, gone in an instant.`
`05:10.55`	`poox`	`fail.`
`05:10.56`	`NightHawkTheSan1`	`Antiarc: haha, awesome.`
`05:11.19`	`NightHawkTheSan1`	`does /gdisaband have some sort of confirmation dialogue?`
`05:11.25`	`poox`	`I somehow managed to type /radisband instead of /raready 3 times in a row (having reformed the raid each time) and reset all the TK trash up to alar`
`05:11.30`	`Xelopheris`	`it does now`
`05:11.32`	`Xelopheris`	`it didn't used t`
`05:11.33`	`poox`	`not one of my better moments`
`05:11.47`	`Xelopheris`	`lol Poof`
`05:11.50`	`Xelopheris`	`poox,`
`05:11.58`	`Xelopheris`	`man, I figured three leaders would be enough`
`05:12.15`	`hyperChipmunk`	`actually, "poof" is pretty appropriate`
`05:12.31`	`poox`	`:P`
`05:12.44`	`poox`	`cause we hadnt killed alar yet that clear we had no id`
`05:12.54`	`poox`	`the mad you have 59... seconds and dash for the door ensued`
`05:13.01`	`poox`	`along with lots of yelling on TS`
`05:13.02`	`RogueShadow`	`wow.... guild disband...`
`05:13.04`	`poox`	`and me madly trying to reform the raid`
`05:13.11`	`RogueShadow`	`good way to get rid of inactive members`
`05:13.17`	`rubik`	`ughh.. any feral druids around? can't decide between +35 agi or savagery for kitty dps weapon enchant.. agi still wins, right? (i can't pass the extra dodge/crit vs. the extra AP)`
`05:13.22`	`Xelopheris`	`35 agi`
`05:13.48`	`Xelopheris`	`Think of it this way: Str to Agi is best 1 to 1. But you have the equivalent of 400 fucking strength on your staff, so you need alot more on your gear to get back to the balance line`
`05:14.14`	`Xelopheris`	`There's only one situation where you put savagery on a feral AP weapon -- you're a moonkin`
`05:14.18`	`poox`	`our ferals all favour agil`
`05:15.29`	`rubik`	`yeah.. for tanking weapon it's a no-brainer`
`05:15.38`	`Xelopheris`	`and for a dps weapon`
`05:15.46`	`rubik`	`was just in limbo about kitty weapon but no more`
`05:15.49`	`rubik`	`yup, thanks`
`05:15.49`	`Lukian`	`Wobin, in?`
`05:15.50`	`Xelopheris`	`3% crit > 31.5 AP`
`05:15.53`	`rubik`	`that's what i was thinking too`
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`05:18.29`	`Poof`	`.`
`05:18.31`	`Poof`	`Poof?`
`05:18.33`	`Poof`	`No, poox`
`05:18.38`	`Poof`	`=p`
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`05:18.48`	`Poof`	`Lots of people have poo in their name.`
`05:18.48`	`*** mode/#wowace [+v Kemayo_] by ChanServ`
`05:18.50`	`Poof`	`>.>`
`05:18.58`	`Xelopheris`	`Wow.. how much have you had to drink?`
`05:19.25`	`Poof`	`?`
`05:19.27`	`Poof`	`Nothing`
`05:19.31`	`Poof`	`Doing Karaz..Whee~`
`05:19.33`	`omniwolf`	`its a valid point`
`05:19.34`	`Xelopheris`	`...`
`05:19.38`	`Xelopheris`	`you're too happy to be doing kara`
`05:19.40`	`omniwolf`	`poo is everywhere`
`05:19.48`	`Poof`	`Karaz is too easy =/ meh.`
`05:19.50`	`Wobin`	`Lukian: aye`
`05:19.53`	`RogueShadow`	`http://www.dysan.net/weird/show/689.html funny. well I thought so.`
`05:20.17`	`Lukian`	`Wobin, when I click on fuxpfu -> chat, can it output rested XP too? :)`
`05:20.33`	`Wobin`	`hm`
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`05:20.56`	`Lukian`	`levelling with a friend atm, so it's handy to know each other's reste`
`05:20.58`	`Lukian`	`rested*`
`05:21.01`	`Wobin`	`As a percentage?`
`05:21.13`	`Lukian`	`yeah percent would be good`
`05:22.08`	`omniwolf`	`what is better for druid tanking? Stylin' Purple Hat ? or Cowl of Defiance ?`
`05:23.09`	`Lukian`	`omniwolf. cowl of beastly rage :p`
`05:23.21`	`omniwolf`	`hehe but if you have no heroic badges :)`
`05:24.14`	`Lukian`	`i used helm of the claw`
`05:24.33`	`harldephin`	`for a feral bear tank druid i'd use that one that's got more sta and ac, next to str, then agi, then ap and then anything else`
`05:25.36`	`Wobin`	`RogueShadow: That whole argument is flawed`
`05:25.37`	`omniwolf`	`hmm. the hat has 10 more stam and 10 more agility, but the cowl has 100 more AP and 24 more hit rating`
`05:25.38`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`stylin' purple hat`
`05:25.46`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`is the best tanking helm before t6 for bears imo`
`05:25.52`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`I certainly used mine up till I got t6`
`05:26.05`	`omniwolf`	`really? is 10 stam and agility worth hit rating and 100 AP ?`
`05:26.14`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`hit rating and AP doesn't mean anything for tanking`
`05:26.17`	`omniwolf`	`cowl has more armour too`
`05:26.32`	`omniwolf`	`mm.. it means a little bit :)`
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`05:26.43`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`the agi gives a ton of dodge, and the sta is respectable. Comparable to t4 or t5 even with the 18 sta meta`
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`05:27.10`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`omniwolf: I've never had a threat problem. I have to scale back on fights like bloodboil, supremus and void reaver`
`05:27.20`	`omniwolf`	`yeah true that`
`05:27.23`	`harldephin`	`omniwolf: for a feral tank the hat is my choice then. which is basically because a tank doesn't do much damage anyway so anything above sta and ac is kind of a luxury - meaning it's pretty ok, but not quite relevant for a tank.`
`05:27.48`	`omniwolf`	`yeah fair enough`
`05:27.52`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`AC you get a ton of. You have a hard time getting dodge`
`05:28.00`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`and dodge is what you need later on`
`05:28.08`	`omniwolf`	`would u rate the cowl of beastly rage over the purple hat?`
`05:28.16`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`dodge hits inbetween crushings`
`05:28.26`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`no`
`05:28.39`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`stylin is best till t5/t6.`
`05:28.47`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`(vashj/archimonde)`
`05:29.05`	`omniwolf`	`sweet. i haven't even got t4 yet :) nearly got it last night, but a priest out rolled me`
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`05:32.08`	`harldephin`	`damn.`
`05:33.14`	`Ellipsis`	`o.O`
`05:33.26`	`harldephin`	`O.o`
`05:33.32`	`Ellipsis`	`o.o`
`05:33.41`	`harldephin`	`o.-`
`05:33.46`	`Ellipsis`	`^-^`
`05:34.07`	`harldephin`	`mhm`
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`05:37.20`	`rubik`	`i replaced my Stylin' Purple Hat with the T4 helm.. (casual guild doesn't do 25-man raids yet)`
`05:38.00`	`Xelopheris`	`same`
`05:38.12`	`Xelopheris`	`but I kept it in the bank, and eventually got a ZG enchant for it`
`05:38.14`	`Xelopheris`	`just to look cool`
`05:38.15`	`rubik`	`but i admit it was tough to give up the 15 agi or whatever`
`05:38.42`	`rubik`	`haha.. i always did like the look of it`
`05:39.02`	`Xelopheris`	`throw it on with a tux in town`
`05:39.08`	`Xelopheris`	`or heck, just pants and a master builder's shirt`
`05:39.11`	`Xelopheris`	`looks pimp`
`05:42.08`	`harldephin`	`i wish i could make myself just look like that fella. - http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/images/skin_pix/wolfskinblack.jpg`
`05:42.23`	`harldephin`	`as a druid that is`
`05:42.42`	`CIA-7`	`03wobin * r53559 10FuBar_FuXPFu/ (FuBar_FuXPFu.lua FuXPLocals.lua):`
`05:42.42`	`CIA-7`	`FuBar_FuXPFu: Added in rest XP to the plugin click to chat option. Modified the`
`05:42.42`	`CIA-7`	`timing so it should show all information on load instead of waiting a while.`
`05:42.42`	`CIA-7`	`Hopefully fixes the missing text problem some people are having.`
`05:43.12`	`rubik`	`haha`
`05:43.33`	`Wobin`	`harldephin: only if you have a tiny collar and bow tie`
`05:45.08`	`harldephin`	`oO`
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`05:52.46`	`Poof`	`hmm`
`05:52.48`	`Poof`	`*stabs Omen`
`05:53.25`	`omniwolf`	`does anyone remember how to get rid of that problem where when you mouse over any item in your bags it comes up with an lua error?`
`05:53.26`	`Poof`	`Stupid thing keeps showing our tank's threat at like 10-5k while everybody else is at say... 65k+`
`05:53.28`	`Poof`	`=/`
`05:53.29`	`omniwolf`	`some blizzard error`
`05:53.49`	`CIA-7`	`03wobin 07Wobin * r53560 10MrPlow/Libs/: MrPlow - Removing current Libs`
`05:53.49`	`Xelopheris`	`poof; 10:1 odds he taunted off someoen with ktm`
`05:53.52`	`omniwolf`	`it came in with the last big patch a couple of weeks ago`
`05:53.58`	`Poof`	`eh?`
`05:54.03`	`Poof`	`What Xelo?`
`05:54.14`	`Xelopheris`	`omen really doesn't like interacting with KTM, and I find it just stops working sometimes when I taunt off a KTM user`
`05:54.17`	`Poof`	`This is happening and the tank only has Omen. =/`
`05:54.20`	`Poof`	`Weird`
`05:54.26`	`Xelopheris`	`omen still talks to ktm`
`05:54.30`	`Xelopheris`	`anyways, bed4me`
`05:54.43`	`Xelopheris`	`tomorrow I have the worst midterm of my life returned to me :(`
`05:55.05`	`Xelo\|sleep`	`I hope I'm not one of the people that got below 35% (i.e. i hope i'm in the top 1/3 fo the class)`
`05:55.16`	`harldephin`	`i guess, the problem is that if someone stays in-combat, omen continues to increase that units threat count, while units going out-of-combat between fights get a threat reset, so their values don't always relate correctly.`
`05:57.03`	`Antiarc`	`Why is someone staying in combat between pulls?`
`05:57.07`	`Poof`	`ya`
`05:57.10`	`Poof`	`I'm confused there. =p`
`05:57.16`	`Poof`	`Even had the tank relog =/`
`05:57.18`	`Poof`	`Won't stop >.<`
`05:57.22`	`Ellipsis`	`it happens`
`05:57.26`	`Poof`	`(I mean... Still happens on every pull =/)`
`05:57.31`	`Antiarc`	`Mmm. That may be related to sag_ich_nicht's problem.`
`05:57.39`	`Ellipsis`	`e.g. BM most people stay in combat most of the time, but the healer might try and drop to drink or something`
`05:57.41`	`Antiarc`	`Could you have the tank zip up his UI folder and post it somewhere for me?`
`05:57.54`	`harldephin`	`well, at least i've got that problem as a hunter`
`05:58.06`	`Antiarc`	`Ellipsis: Your combat flag drops long enough for accurate threat resets in BM`
`05:58.22`	`Ellipsis`	`not if I don't actually drop combat`
`05:58.27`	`harldephin`	`when i direct my pet to a different target while being still in-combat with my current target, then stopping my own attack because my current target dies while my pet attacks the other target, so my own threat gets reset but my pets doesn't`
`05:58.34`	`Antiarc`	`How exactly do you avoid dropping combat when running between portals?`
`05:58.37`	`Ellipsis`	`if I still have dots ticking on last wave's trash while I run up and start dpsing the bot`
`05:58.40`	`Ellipsis`	`bot? boss*`
`05:59.09`	`Antiarc`	`Ah. Heh. I usually have space between the portals.`
`05:59.14`	`Ellipsis`	`you're melee`
`05:59.27`	`Antiarc`	`Well, I mean we jsut clear all the trash then run to the next portal.`
`05:59.27`	`Ellipsis`	`you have to run farther :P`
`05:59.29`	`Poof`	`hmm. WEird. Now the tanks agro is showing correct agian =/`
`05:59.31`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`get a new trash clearer`
`05:59.45`	`Antiarc`	`Unfortunately, if you don't drop combat, there's not a good way to reset threat until 2.4.`
`05:59.51`	`Antiarc`	`So yeah, kinda boned there`
`05:59.52`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`i'm a survival hunter, and even I stay ahead of the trash`
`05:59.53`	`Ellipsis`	`some pugs are slow enough that we can't wait to finish trash to move on to the next one`
`05:59.57`	`Poof`	`Oh? Why will 2.4 fix it?`
`05:59.58`	`harldephin`	`hm.`
`06:00.06`	`Antiarc`	`2.4 will introduce unique IDs per mob`
`06:00.09`	`Poof`	`Also, it's dropped between pulls... At least, it clears.`
`06:00.10`	`Ellipsis`	`I'm just saying, there are cases where some people drop combat and some don't`
`06:00.10`	`Poof`	`Oh? Cool`
`06:00.11`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`and i wear freaking green stuff`
`06:00.14`	`Antiarc`	`But, Poof's problem sounds like sag_ich_nicht's bug, which is indeed a bug`
`06:00.18`	`harldephin`	`ok. not a huge problem anyway. just a bit confusing sometimes.`
`06:00.38`	`Antiarc`	`The bug being that threat stops working after zoning until a UI reload, and it's related to an addon conflict, but I don't know which yet.`
`06:00.44`	`Antiarc`	`I'm having a devil of a time pinning it down.`
`06:00.57`	`Ellipsis`	`Antiarc: which reminds me, I've been meaning to ask...is there some way to manually clear the threat list when it gets bugged and someone is stuck on it?`
`06:01.04`	`Antiarc`	`Yes, /omen clear`
`06:01.07`	`Ellipsis`	`ah, kk`
`06:01.10`	`Antiarc`	`Assuming you are the party leader or promoted.`
`06:01.13`	`Ellipsis`	`...no`
`06:01.20`	`Ellipsis`	`I just want my personal list cleared`
`06:01.28`	`Ellipsis`	`and preferably without needing Omen installed`
`06:01.40`	`Antiarc`	`You could write a macro to do it.`
`06:01.50`	`Ellipsis`	`that'd be cool`
`06:02.04`	`Antiarc`	`But, it'd be dangerous to use unless you're sure you know what you're doing any what your threat lists really look like`
`06:02.35`	`Ellipsis`	`dangerous in the sense that my threat data might become inaccurate at that point if someone actually does have threat on a mob somewhere?`
`06:02.42`	`Antiarc`	`Right`
`06:02.44`	`Ellipsis`	`I'll accept that risk, I don't rely on Omen anyhow`
`06:02.50`	`Antiarc`	`Well, a personal clear only clears your personal threat list`
`06:02.55`	`Ellipsis`	`yeah`
`06:03.00`	`Antiarc`	`Or do you mean the cached data from other party members?`
`06:03.04`	`CIA-7`	`03wobin 07Wobin * r53561 10MrPlow/: MrPlow - Added PT3.1`
`06:03.16`	`harldephin`	`and sometimes in-party omen doesn't seem to recognise all party members, only showing either me or my pet or me and my pet or one or two other party members, but not all of which are involved in the fight.`
`06:03.24`	`Antiarc`	`Are you wanting to wipe your charcter's threat lists and broadcast zeros to the group, or wipe the cached threat readings you have for your groupmates?`
`06:03.40`	`Antiarc`	`harldephin: They have Omen or another Threat-1.0 addon installed?`
`06:03.42`	`harldephin`	`anyone experiencing stuff like that ? do i have to reset omen when zoning and/or joining a party or something?`
`06:03.43`	`Ellipsis`	`I just want to remove other players from my internal list so they don't show up when their threat gets "stuck"`
`06:03.52`	`Antiarc`	`Okay. Let's see then...`
`06:03.55`	`harldephin`	`Antiarc: that i don't know.`
`06:04.10`	`Antiarc`	`harldephin: They have to have a Threat-1.0 addon installed for you to get threat data from them`
`06:04.12`	`CIA-7`	`03wobin 07Wobin * r53562 10MrPlow/: MrPlow - Whups, wrong directory`
`06:04.15`	`Antiarc`	`Threat is far too complex to read as a third party`
`06:04.30`	`harldephin`	`hm. i see.`
`06:04.34`	`harldephin`	`ok.`
`06:04.47`	`Antiarc`	`Primarily because you don't have their talent info, but secondarily because it would be an absolutely tremendous computational task to compute their threat data even if you had their talents.`
`06:05.27`	`Antiarc`	`Ellipsis: /run AceLibrary("Threat-1.0"):ClearStoredThreatTables()`
`06:05.41`	`CIA-7`	`03kemayo 07dev * r53563 10BankStack/ (BankStack.toc core.lua):`
`06:05.41`	`CIA-7`	`BankStack:`
`06:05.41`	`CIA-7`	`-Make sorting work. (/sort)`
`06:05.41`	`CIA-7`	`-Rewrite DoMoves.`
`06:06.10`	`harldephin`	`ok, i know it's complex, just didn't know it wouldn't be computable as easy without as with a direct addon-to-addon connection. there's my mistake then`
`06:06.33`	`Antiarc`	`Yeah. The number of factors you have to watch would make it a nightmare to do from a third-party standpoint.`
`06:06.49`	`Antiarc`	`maybe there is someone ambitious enough out there, but it isn't me :)`
`06:07.00`	`harldephin`	`:)`
`06:09.06`	`Ellipsis`	`Antiarc: alternatively, is there some way I can prevent people from getting stuck on the list?`
`06:09.40`	`*** join/#wowace Azurewrath (i=Azurewra@i59F5696F.versanet.de)`
`06:09.48`	`Ellipsis`	`or is that another mystery bug`
`06:09.50`	`Antiarc`	`Ellipsis: I'm continually working on preventing that; Threat's had some sanity checking code for a number of weeks now that should clean up any stuck entries after about 15 sec of no combat.`
`06:09.57`	`Ellipsis`	`hmkay`
`06:10.10`	`Ellipsis`	`thank you for putting so much work into such a sexy lib <3`
`06:10.13`	`Antiarc`	`There are a number of corner cases that cause it, though. It's tricky tracking them all down.`
`06:10.17`	`Antiarc`	`Heh, it's been fun to do.`
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`06:10.23`	`harldephin`	`hehe`
`06:10.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`i blame priests for most of them`
`06:10.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`fucking shadowfiends`
`06:11.04`	`Antiarc`	`The problem with dead pets (ie, shadowfiends/water elementals) getting stuck should have been fixed a while ago`
`06:11.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`i still see them every now and then`
`06:11.29`	`Antiarc`	`Same time I fixed the "every time you summon a pet, it gains a multiplier on its recoreded threat generation" bug`
`06:11.32`	`Antiarc`	`Hrm.`
`06:11.40`	`Antiarc`	`I haven't seen one get really stuck in a long while`
`06:11.46`	`Antiarc`	`I'll have to revisit the code`
`06:12.35`	`CIA-7`	`03kemayo 07dev * r53564 10BankStack/ (BankStack.toc Bindings.xml lib/): BankStack: external for LibBabble-Inventory-3.0.`
`06:12.37`	`Arrowmaster`	`or i could blame the failures in my guild that never update`
`06:13.11`	`xyu`	`!ar 1456`
`06:13.11`	`ThraeBot`	`xyu: Arena rating from 1456 points is, 2v2: 2657, 3v3: 2622, 5v5: 2591`
`06:13.31`	`xyu`	`!ap 1456`
`06:13.31`	`ThraeBot`	`xyu: Arena points from a rating of 1456 is, 2v2: 254, 3v3: 294, 5v5: 334`
`06:13.47`	`Poof`	`!ap 1441`
`06:13.47`	`ThraeBot`	`Poof: Arena points from a rating of 1441 is, 2v2: 251, 3v3: 291, 5v5: 331`
`06:13.50`	`Poof`	`!ap 1532`
`06:13.50`	`ThraeBot`	`Poof: Arena points from a rating of 1532 is, 2v2: 288, 3v3: 334, 5v5: 380`
`06:18.17`	`CIA-7`	`03kemayo 07dev * r53565 10BankStack/ (core.lua fu.lua):`
`06:18.17`	`CIA-7`	`BankStack:`
`06:18.17`	`CIA-7`	`-Binding header for bag sorting.`
`06:18.17`	`CIA-7`	`-Fubar click for bag sorting.`
`06:19.03`	`CIA-7`	`03wobin 07Wobin * r53566 10MrPlow/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Updating various localisations and files`
`06:19.22`	`omniwolf`	`what is this CIA bot reporting?`
`06:19.42`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`svn commits`
`06:20.12`	`omniwolf`	`oh cool, so if i ran ace updater now, fubar bagFU would probably have an update?`
`06:20.19`	`Wobin`	`not for another 15min`
`06:20.25`	`omniwolf`	`or svn isn't automatically compiled to the files.ace.com ?`
`06:24.16`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`every 20m`
`06:24.50`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`at :00, :20, and :40 past each hour, the zip script runs`
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`06:27.39`	`Orionshock`	`moring all`
`06:32.21`	`harldephin`	`hiya.`
`06:32.43`	`omniwolf`	`ok, so if you're submitting something to svn, you want to make sure it works, cos 20 mins later its going out to everyone that runs ace updater..`
`06:32.57`	`Ellipsis`	`yup`
`06:33.01`	`Ellipsis`	`that's the plan, anyway`
`06:33.08`	`Ellipsis`	`sometimes people break things`
`06:33.29`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`lol`
`06:33.31`	`Ellipsis`	`especially translators who don't log into the game to test their changes before committing them`
`06:33.47`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`case study: ckknight >8)`
`06:34.00`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`yeah, them too`
`06:34.28`	`Kerafyrm`	`lol`
`06:34.30`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`but they only break one add-on at a time`
`06:35.25`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`we need to compile a list of Ace's Greatest Disasters`
`06:35.31`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`we could make a documentary or something`
`06:36.01`	`Diao`	`lol`
`06:36.10`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`including the famous wiki DROP TABLE, and the infamous Broken AceEvent Commit`
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`06:36.56`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`that one commit produced literally two months of user support headaches`
`06:38.30`	`NightHawkTheSan1`	`sedatedChipmunk: you forgot the sequel to the famous wiki DROP TABLE, replaying the sql logs up to, and past the DROP TABLE. ;P`
`06:38.34`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`luac is 4 sissies!`
`06:39.00`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`the whole incident was a mess`
`06:39.19`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`google cache scrambling omg`
`06:39.53`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`get the pages before they update! omg hurry!`
`06:40.10`	`Ellipsis`	`lulz`
`06:41.01`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`my script recovered about 900 of them; i was a hero that day!`
`06:41.14`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`and then i went back to being useless ever since`
`06:41.17`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`D8<`
`06:41.23`	`NightHawkTheSan1`	`you totally were. songs are sung of your bravery and heroism`
`06:41.31`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`>8D`
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`06:44.07`	`Wobin`	`hehe`
`06:44.14`	`Wobin`	`that reminds me of one time on a MUD`
`06:44.30`	`Wobin`	`One of the Lords was demonstrating to another creator how to use sar`
`06:44.48`	`Wobin`	`And he managed to run sar/a/e on every single file he had access to`
`06:45.03`	`Wobin`	`So all the priests ended up sounding like New Zealanders`
`06:45.26`	`Wobin`	`Ceese ell the rituels ended up sounding like thet`
`06:45.29`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`haha`
`06:45.33`	`Ellipsis`	`lol @ NZ`
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`06:47.31`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`that's brilliant`
`06:48.40`	`NightHawkTheSan1`	`win.`
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`07:09.34`	`Orionshock`	`gona shoot blizard...`
`07:09.38`	`Orionshock`	`gona shoot blizzard`
`07:11.51`	`ckknight`	`sedatedChipmunk, the broken AceEvent thing was due to an upgrading bug, not something you can just "log in and test"`
`07:13.23`	`Wobin`	`That doesn't preclude it from being in the list of Ace's Greatest Disasters!!1!`
`07:13.27`	`Wobin`	`(tm)`
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`07:14.03`	`Hesselgrinch`	`hello there. I have a question regarding a library`
`07:14.16`	`ckknight`	`~asktoask`
`07:14.17`	`purl`	`This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.`
`07:14.20`	`Hesselgrinch`	`I cant seem to find the tags to use in a mod`
`07:14.22`	`Hesselgrinch`	`:D`
`07:14.46`	`Hesselgrinch`	`Im looking for a library previously found at wowace.com/wiki/LibDogTag-2.0`
`07:15.09`	`Hesselgrinch`	`I need tags for Cowtip`
`07:20.16`	`vhaarr`	`http://wowace.com/wiki/DogTag-1.0/Tags ?`
`07:20.36`	`harldephin`	`yea`
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`07:33.57`	`Zhinjio`	`HKM down for the first time in our guild tonight!`
`07:34.27`	`Zhinjio`	`Got Gruul to 24%`
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`07:46.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`you guys totally forgot the acehook-2.1 $Rev$ disaster`
`07:48.18`	`Elkano`	`hmm?`
`07:49.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`i mean who would have ever thought that a library that uses svn revision numbers to determine which versions of itself to use out of all the embeds installed would need to have the svn $Rev$ keyword set so that there was a way for it to tell which copy was newer`
`07:50.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`that only took a few hundred bug fix commits until it was discovered`
`07:50.55`	`Elkano`	`oha ^^'`
`07:51.32`	`Elkano`	`reminds me of someone using $Rev$ in LibStub although it's intended to possibly be embedded directly into other code files`
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`07:52.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`i will point you to dongle for the massive failure on that level`
`07:53.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`and the copy of donglestub that got uploaded to the wowace svn inside of nsidebar with a commit rev in the 40000's`
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`07:55.16`	`Elkano`	`well, I'd blame the developer of nsidebar for that...`
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`07:58.59`	`Orionshock`	`i blame the person that thought using an SVN was a good idea`
`08:01.54`	`Orionshock`	`victims of our own lack of foresight, and now victims of the "Mob of Rome" that we call the wow user base...`
`08:02.11`	`Elkano`	`kill with fire?`
`08:02.49`	`Orionshock`	`lol`
`08:02.51`	`Orionshock`	`no`
`08:02.53`	`Orionshock`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=9563.0;topicseen`
`08:03.03`	`Orionshock`	`kill one, 5 stand in their place and begin to get louder`
`08:03.30`	`Orionshock`	`"he who produces is now obligated to support till the end"`
`08:04.03`	`Orionshock`	`& WTF is wrong with this logic " if (not quest) and (not npc) then return end "`
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`08:19.39`	`Industrial`	`Orionshock: it has ()'s :P`
`08:20.02`	`Orionshock`	`lol`
`08:20.39`	`Industrial`	`depending on the context, if it's arg checking i'd say quest OR npc, but I have no idea :P`
`08:22.07`	`Elkano`	`well, depends on the context, yes ^`
`08:22.31`	`Orionshock`	`well it was failing b/c 3 lines above it said " local npc = mod.CheckNPC() or "None" "`
`08:22.45`	`Orionshock`	`so in call cases npc = "None" regardless`
`08:24.15`	`Orionshock`	`& i really should change that`
`08:26.40`	`CIA-7`	`03helium * r53567 10Mendeleev/ (Mendeleev.lua Sets.lua locales/enUS.lua locales/zhTW.lua):`
`08:26.40`	`CIA-7`	`Mendeleev:`
`08:26.40`	`CIA-7`	`- extract more localizable strings to enUS.lua`
`08:26.40`	`CIA-7`	`- update zhTW localization`
`08:30.57`	`MoonWolf`	`sometimes i think medeleev is more of a WoW 6 language dictionary then an information addon.`
`08:31.31`	`Orionshock`	`lol why?`
`08:31.54`	`MoonWolf`	`90% of mendy works was alway's translations.`
`08:32.44`	`MoonWolf`	`god was i ever happy with babblelib`
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`08:47.28`	`CIA-7`	`03ominous 07Ace3 * r53568 10ClassTimer/ClassTimer/ (6 files in 3 dirs): ClassTimer: Changed chat command to /ClassTimer, added a few abilities from forum post`
`08:48.55`	`CIA-7`	`03helium * r53569 10MobHealth/ (MobHealth.toc MobHealth3.lua):`
`08:48.55`	`CIA-7`	`MobHealth3:`
`08:48.55`	`CIA-7`	`- update zhTW localization`
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`09:02.58`	`Orionshock_`	`i hate my interwebz provider`
`09:06.55`	`Orionshock_`	`whats the dmg mitigation cap?`
`09:07.18`	`starlon`	`75%`
`09:07.34`	`Orionshock_`	`im sitting at 69.74% on my druid :D`
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`09:10.50`	`Tekkub`	`god I swear, Quickbboks is some of the most archaic GUI shit I've ever used`
`09:11.14`	`Tekkub`	`edit transaction, click "Save and Close" ... popup "Transaction changed, would you like to save?"`
`09:12.12`	`Brunera`	`woot, just sold six and eight of furies 600g each`
`09:12.26`	`Tekkub`	`69 furries are funner`
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`09:18.32`	`Ominous`	`Tekkub: are you an admin on the wiki?`
`09:18.39`	`Tekkub`	`yes`
`09:18.52`	`Ominous`	`maybe http://wowace.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar should be changed to remove track and add jira and fisheye`
`09:19.05`	`Tekkub`	`maybe`
`09:19.06`	`Bejitt`	`Tekkub: Toogle <- poor cat >_<`
`09:19.20`	`Tekkub`	`Toogle is.... ugh`
`09:19.25`	`Bejitt`	`haha`
`09:19.26`	`Tekkub`	`that page is a piece of work`
`09:19.55`	`Ominous`	`what do you mean Tekkub`
`09:20.05`	`Tekkub`	`the 'ur's alone made want to just delete it and say "try again"`
`09:20.19`	`Bejitt`	`haha`
`09:21.08`	`Tekkub`	`I hate pages that lay out a big <ul> of all the slash commands to begin with`
`09:21.16`	`Tekkub`	`and this one's done all ass backwards`
`09:21.34`	`clad\|sleep`	`Arrowmaster: That had nothing to do with Dongle, and everything to do with someone not reading the documentation and discussion that very clearly states to never use a trunk copy of an addon.`
`09:22.05`	`Tekkub`	`the addon's console descriptions should be enough for you to use it, you shouldn't needa big tree document of every option available`
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`09:22.20`	`Tekkub`	`I for one don't load up a wiki page when I'm entering slash commands`
`09:23.05`	`Bejitt`	`well, i'd disagree if it's a huge-ass list of things ... maybe`
`09:23.25`	`Tekkub`	`if it's a huge-ass list of things, you should be making a GUI of some sort`
`09:23.29`	`Bejitt`	`yea`
`09:28.21`	`Bejitt`	`http://wowace.com/wiki/Category:Author:Lots_of_people. GG TOC file :(`
`09:30.20`	`Industrial`	`thats Cartographer1`
`09:30.21`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`09:30.25`	`Industrial`	`and yes, sucks`
`09:30.47`	`Tekkub`	`gg people that can't list fucking authors out :P`
`09:30.58`	`Bejitt`	`the thing is, that period was part of the url`
`09:31.10`	`Tekkub`	`"The <Addon Name> Team" FTFL`
`09:31.11`	`Industrial`	`go go svn history`
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`09:32.03`	`Bejitt`	`and then there's http://wowace.com/wiki/Category:Author:sync_code_courtesy_of_Malayon o_O`
`09:32.19`	`Tekkub`	`X-Credit TYVM`
`09:32.29`	`Tekkub`	`*Credit`
`09:32.31`	`Tekkub`	`**s`
`09:32.39`	`MoonWolf`	`credits in author lines`
`09:32.40`	`MoonWolf`	`awesome`
`09:33.07`	`Tekkub`	`I'm gonna ban people that open a wiki page with a heading`
`09:33.17`	`MoonWolf`	`yay!`
`09:33.39`	`Tekkub`	`oh oh better yet`
`09:33.45`	`Tekkub`	`manually made OL's`
`09:33.49`	`Tekkub`	`'''1'''`
`09:33.51`	`Tekkub`	`'''2'''`
`09:33.58`	`MoonWolf`	`OL's ?`
`09:34.14`	`Tekkub`	`<OL> <LI> Bah </LI> </ol>`
`09:34.15`	`Brunera`	`ordered lists`
`09:34.22`	`MoonWolf`	`ah`
`09:34.26`	`harldephin`	`-.-`
`09:34.29`	`MoonWolf`	`i do those by hand all the time`
`09:34.33`	`MoonWolf`	`in html anyway`
`09:34.41`	`Tekkub`	`tihs is wiki, not HTML`
`09:34.47`	`Tekkub`	`# Meh`
`09:35.04`	`MoonWolf`	`ah ys`
`09:35.07`	`MoonWolf`	`yes*`
`09:35.15`	`MoonWolf`	`wiki markup is not something i know a lot about`
`09:35.22`	`MoonWolf`	`(because i don't edit wiki's)`
`09:35.23`	`harldephin`	`meeh meeeeh.. sorry -.-`
`09:35.57`	`Kerafyrm`	`hears in the distance 'Did you see my lay down the law? I am the LAWGIVA'`
`09:36.25`	`Kerafyrm`	`me*`
`09:36.26`	`MoonWolf`	`should have been lawbringer i still say.`
`09:36.39`	`MoonWolf`	`clearly the guy was a paladin`
`09:36.48`	`Kerafyrm`	`Lawadin?`
`09:36.51`	`MoonWolf`	`plate armor, won't die, fast mount.`
`09:37.17`	`Tekkub`	`seriously, it's always the fucking command tree pages that look like ass and suck to fix`
`09:37.23`	`Kerafyrm`	`a friend of mine works for a company that does the skin's for buses(ads and what not) he realllllly wants to buy a toyota truck and skin it with a wow scene.`
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`09:37.34`	`Tekkub`	`I'm just gonna ban people that make command tree pages`
`09:37.54`	`MoonWolf`	`couldn't we write a automatic documenter that can read aceoption / whatever its called nowaday's tables ?`
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`09:38.12`	`Tekkub`	`why do we need documents for command trees?`
`09:38.22`	`Tekkub`	`it's all in-game`
`09:38.30`	`MoonWolf`	`why do we need manuals for products`
`09:38.38`	`Tekkub`	`why do we need a mirror online, it's available any time you're using it`
`09:38.43`	`MoonWolf`	`hmm`
`09:38.44`	`MoonWolf`	`true enough`
`09:39.34`	`Tekkub`	`last I checked, manuals for programs conered the basics, what each panel does, etc, not a comprehensive listing of every single config option available`
`09:40.12`	`Kerafyrm`	`The manual I got for my Canon 1DMarkII had a manual that documented every feature and function to perfect detail..`
`09:40.27`	`Kerafyrm`	`but thats apples to oranges :)`
`09:40.52`	`MoonWolf`	`that damn thing taught me everything from basic basic programmer to how to make fonts for it.`
`09:41.07`	`MoonWolf`	`programming*`
`09:41.13`	`Tekkub`	`yea and who uses it?`
`09:41.15`	`Tekkub`	`:P`
`09:41.30`	`MoonWolf`	`i did, it learned me how to program in basic`
`09:41.31`	`MoonWolf`	`anyway`
`09:41.37`	`MoonWolf`	`i get your point none the less.`
`09:41.50`	`Tekkub`	`my cat can operate our all-in-one printer, and he can't even read`
`09:42.06`	`MoonWolf`	`thats because modern printer have 3 buttons`
`09:42.07`	`MoonWolf`	`on`
`09:42.11`	`Tekkub`	`he makes ~14 copies a week`
`09:42.12`	`MoonWolf`	`or on/off`
`09:42.21`	`MoonWolf`	`scan`
`09:42.25`	`Kerafyrm`	`lol`
`09:42.26`	`Tekkub`	`all in ones have more than 3 :P`
`09:42.26`	`MoonWolf`	`and the button you never use.`
`09:42.33`	`Kerafyrm`	`anyone visit the PTR say in the past 12 hours?`
`09:42.43`	`MoonWolf`	`no`
`09:42.45`	`MoonWolf`	`why ?`
`09:43.08`	`Kerafyrm`	`I'm seeing a new build from 7441 to 7468, but launcher isn't feeding me a download :(`
`09:43.34`	`Tekkub`	`my god...`
`09:43.37`	`Kerafyrm`	`not to mention that 7501 was supposedly pushed yesterday as well.`
`09:43.37`	`Tekkub`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=9596.msg154409;topicseen#new`
`09:43.49`	`Tekkub`	`he fucking copy/pasted the wiki page into the forums`
`09:43.55`	`Tekkub`	`Moon, cluebat, now`
`09:44.14`	`MoonWolf`	`whee`
`09:44.26`	`MoonWolf`	`(the markup does transfer now)`
`09:44.41`	`MoonWolf`	`s/now/nicely/`
`09:44.41`	`Bejitt`	`holy... what the hell`
`09:44.58`	`Tekkub`	`I guess it's time to make a {{Cleanup}} template and start flagging shitty pages instead of fixing them myself`
`09:47.35`	`MoonWolf`	`I'll cleanup YOUR template.`
`09:47.47`	`MoonWolf`	`god i'm good at those bad jokes.`
`09:48.24`	`Orionshock_`	`for x-Embeds do we just list Ace2, or do we need to list all of the modules with in ace2 that are used?`
`09:49.01`	`Bejitt`	`just Ace2`
`09:49.30`	`Tekkub`	`X-Embeds is like OptDeps, for embeds`
`09:50.05`	`Tekkub`	`it should be mostly a mirrer of your OptDeps line`
`09:50.18`	`CIA-7`	`03helium * r53570 10Postal/ (Locales/zhTW.lua Postal.toc): Postal: - update zhTW localization`
`09:50.28`	`Bejitt`	`OptDeps -> ingame, x-embeds -> wau, generally?`
`09:50.34`	`Xinhuan`	`correct`
`09:50.52`	`Tekkub`	`and wiki`
`09:50.56`	`Xinhuan`	`X-Embeds is read by WAU to download the listed dependencies if installed without externals`
`09:51.09`	`Bejitt`	`yea, was just about to add the wiki part`
`09:51.24`	`Orionshock_`	`with regards to babble`
`09:51.50`	`Orionshock_`	`do we list the module or just the core one?`
`09:51.59`	`Xinhuan`	`just the specific one you need`
`09:52.02`	`Xinhuan`	`i think`
`09:52.25`	`Xinhuan`	`heck, just list the core`
`09:52.31`	`Orionshock_`	`lol`
`09:52.31`	`Xinhuan`	`and WAU downloads and unpackages the entire thing anyway`
`09:52.54`	`Bejitt`	`ahhhh someone changed the sidebar`
`09:53.24`	`CIA-7`	`03schelli 07Schelli * r53571 10IceHUD/TrinketElement.lua: IceHUD : updated trinket list`
`09:55.18`	`CIA-7`	`03orionshock * r53572 10Cartographer_Herbalism/ (Cartographer_Herbalism.toc embeds.xml):`
`09:55.18`	`CIA-7`	`Cartographer_Herbalism:`
`09:55.18`	`CIA-7`	`-Fix typo in embeds.xml`
`09:55.18`	`CIA-7`	`-update x-Embeds so the zip script plays nicely`
`09:55.58`	`CIA-7`	`03orionshock * r53573 10Cartographer_Mining/ (Cartographer_Mining.toc embeds.xml):`
`09:55.58`	`CIA-7`	`Cartographer_Mining:`
`09:55.58`	`CIA-7`	`-Fix typo in embeds.xml`
`09:55.58`	`CIA-7`	`-update x-Embeds so the zip script plays nicely`
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`10:08.48`	`Brunera`	`hi ck`
`10:09.25`	`*** join/#wowace baer_ (n=baer@bodom.heim10.tu-clausthal.de)`
`10:09.28`	`baer_`	`moin.`
`10:09.37`	`Bejitt`	`MOINMOIN`
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`10:09.56`	`Bejitt`	`baer_: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/`
`10:10.13`	`Industrial`	`Bejitt: sigh..`
`10:10.31`	`Bejitt`	`Industrial: sorry :(`
`10:10.51`	`Bejitt`	`i'm not too fond of it, but i still had to install/use it >_<`
`10:11.03`	`baer_`	`Bejitt: nope!`
`10:11.12`	`Bejitt`	`baer_: yep!`
`10:11.23`	`baer_`	`Bejitt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moin`
`10:11.41`	`Bejitt`	`:O`
`10:11.47`	`Industrial`	`my point`
`10:11.47`	`Industrial`	`:p`
`10:11.49`	`baer_`	`"Moin Moin" can't be used after 11 am.`
`10:12.09`	`Industrial`	`baer_: time is relative to the person entering`
`10:12.23`	`Industrial`	`~ugt`
`10:12.24`	`purl`	`ugt is, like, Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html`
`10:12.25`	`baer_`	`right. :)`
`10:12.25`	`Kerafyrm`	`good thing its only 3:12 ;)`
`10:12.44`	`baer_`	`it's 11:12 here. :-p`
`10:12.45`	`Bejitt`	`baer_: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinEtymology`
`10:13.38`	`Diao`	`hmm`
`10:13.41`	`Diao`	`did something change`
`10:14.31`	`Diao`	`with trinket swaps recently`
`10:14.41`	`Diao`	`when i use itemrack it keeps pausing saying "another swap is in progress"`
`10:15.05`	`Industrial`	`reload`
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`10:17.55`	`Zhinjio`	`didn't I read somewhere that Bliz maintains a global somewhere with the classnames in an array, with the enClass as the index, and the localized class as the value?`
`10:17.59`	`Zhinjio`	`or am I on crack`
`10:18.13`	`Zhinjio`	`or maybe it was just ... hmm`
`10:18.20`	`Zhinjio`	`not that I can't maintain it myself.`
`10:18.52`	`Bejitt`	`hmm I want to put more info about X-Embeds into http://www.wowace.com/wiki/TOC_Metadata , but the page is for wiki formatting >.>`
`10:19.00`	`Diao`	`wow feral druid 1v1 vs warrior is stupid`
`10:19.12`	`Diao`	`critting me for 1k`
`10:19.19`	`Diao`	`and healing himself for 600 from imp lotp`
`10:19.38`	`Bejitt`	`Diao: /sit spam, imo`
`10:20.00`	`Bejitt`	`(aka give up while the giving's good)`
`10:20.05`	`Bejitt`	`=(`
`10:20.43`	`Diao`	`well warrior 1v1 is just terrible against pretty much every class`
`10:21.44`	`Diao`	`except maybe.. afflic/dest lock`
`10:22.04`	`Industrial`	`can fuck a hunter when you get deadzone :P`
`10:22.11`	`Diao`	`eh`
`10:22.16`	`Diao`	`until they imp wingclip`
`10:22.19`	`Diao`	`:\`
`10:22.40`	`Diao`	`then it's like oh great now i'm screwed`
`10:22.42`	`Diao`	`;p`
`10:22.54`	`Bejitt`	`ImpWC + frost trap`
`10:22.57`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`10:23.00`	`Diao`	`or imp wc/snake trap`
`10:23.08`	`Diao`	`with entangle or whatever it is`
`10:23.12`	`Bejitt`	`lol`
`10:23.26`	`Diao`	`then i just sit there and wait to die :(`
`10:23.34`	`Diao`	`also`
`10:23.38`	`Tekkub`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Tooggle`
`10:23.39`	`Diao`	`reloading ui didn't change anything`
`10:23.40`	`Tekkub`	`better :)`
`10:23.47`	`Diao`	`it still stops the swap`
`10:23.50`	`Diao`	`saying another swap is in progress`
`10:23.58`	`CIA-7`	`03chuanhsing * r53574 10Henge/ (Henge.toc Locale_zhTW.lua): Henge: add zhTW translate`
`10:25.02`	`Diao`	`strange thing is`
`10:25.09`	`Diao`	`it only happens with a certain set->set change`
`10:25.14`	`Diao`	`all the other set swaps work fine`
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`10:26.07`	`starlon`	`Toogle reminds me of Dash`
`10:26.13`	`Diao`	`yeah it's only happening when i swap in my s2 arena thrown for felsteel whisper knives`
`10:26.15`	`Diao`	`any other set change is fine`
`10:27.24`	`Diao`	`or no wait`
`10:28.17`	`Diao`	`there we go`
`10:28.23`	`Diao`	`just changed the trinkets around and now it works`
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`10:31.51`	`Bejitt`	`haha Tekkub, I like how you used the spellchecker after posting to use it`
`10:31.59`	`Bejitt`	`s/spellchecker/spell checker/`
`10:32.04`	`Tekkub`	`I do that shit all thi time`
`10:32.15`	`Tekkub`	`but at least I do it`
`10:32.41`	`Bejitt`	`i'm more amused that you were writing to use it, and kinda forgot to`
`10:33.02`	`Tekkub`	`nah I always post then go back and correct`
`10:33.20`	`Tekkub`	`you can tell when sites don't allow edits cause my typing is shit`
`10:33.43`	`Tekkub`	`anyway, sleep`
`10:34.20`	`CIA-7`	`tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r657 10/trunk/TourGuide/ (3 files in 2 dirs): TourGuide - More guide data, now bed`
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`11:04.28`	`Speeddymon`	`~seen a-stray-cat`
`11:04.31`	`purl`	`a-stray-cat <n=stray@c-71-197-86-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 19d 13h 58m 1s ago, saying: 'has anyone managed to get teh 2.3 downloader?'.`
`11:06.26`	`Nefarion`	`can vista run directx9?`
`11:06.53`	`Lukian`	`why would you want to do that? :p`
`11:07.49`	`Nefarion`	`because directx 10 dropped direct hardware communication for sound, so high end sound cards can't do much now (at least not until the still very buggy beta software is in real release)`
`11:08.00`	`Nefarion`	`and a lot of cards have issues`
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`11:18.31`	`Kazie`	`Someone experience problems with CML?`
`11:19.07`	`Nefarion`	`wat kind of problems?`
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`11:31.26`	`Zhinjio`	`Oh, now I remember what it was I saw... a table of Class colors in one of the default interface files somewhere.`
`11:31.29`	`Zhinjio`	`in a table. I think`
`11:31.34`	`Xinhuan`	`Font.xml`
`11:32.18`	`Zhinjio`	`was that it? ok.`
`11:32.24`	`Zhinjio`	`cuz I'm gonna be using that shortly`
`11:34.35`	`clad\|away`	`RAID_CLASS_COLORS[select(2, UnitClass(unit))]`
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`11:45.41`	`Nefarion`	`what's wrong with this image: http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1778/wowscrnshot102507191410nu7.jpg ?`
`11:46.36`	`JoshBorke`	`not enough boobs`
`11:46.56`	`Nefarion`	`seriously`
`11:47.03`	`JoshBorke`	`that is odd`
`11:47.10`	`Nefarion`	`you see the problem?`
`11:47.21`	`JoshBorke`	`yes, horde + alliance`
`11:47.47`	`Ozguli`	`isn't that a... raid?`
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`11:47.53`	`Nefarion`	`yes`
`11:48.01`	`Nefarion`	`it's bt`
`11:48.30`	`Nefarion`	`the alliance guild stole the raid id http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=6F946121798C5461EF4CAA5BE9992A6A?topicId=2512090604&sid=1&pageNo=1`
`11:48.33`	`Kerafyrm`	`thats kilrogg too`
`11:48.45`	`Kerafyrm`	`TI is the major horde guild on kilrogg`
`11:48.49`	`Kerafyrm`	`and Conquest is the top alliance guild`
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`11:49.16`	`Nefarion`	`oh and just as funny: loladin in bt http://students.washington.edu/wobbly/images/wow/loladin.jpg`
`11:49.50`	`Nefarion`	`this is why we roll on pvp servers kids: they'd getter a major ass beating`
`11:50.05`	`Nefarion`	`=)`
`11:51.14`	`CIA-7`	`03anxarces * r53576 10ProfessionsBook/ (PB_DB.lua PB_Scan.lua ProfessionsBook.toc README.txt):`
`11:51.14`	`CIA-7`	`ProfessionsBook:`
`11:51.15`	`CIA-7`	`- Added database validation. After a tradeskill is scanned, the database is validated and corrected.`
`11:55.59`	`Orionshock`	`Nefarion: something is very wrong with those screenshots`
`11:56.15`	`Nefarion`	`really? i thought they were just peachy...`
`11:56.38`	`Orionshock`	`look at illidan, unless you have to talk to him to begin the encounter`
`11:56.59`	`Orionshock`	`it dosn't look like any of them are in combat and standing that close to him`
`11:57.02`	`Nefarion`	`nah you have to sleep with his girlfriend`
`11:57.16`	`Nefarion`	`obviously they didn't get that far`
`11:57.19`	`CIA-7`	`03scorpion * r53577 10AutoBar/ (Locale-zhCN.lua Locale-zhTW.lua):`
`11:57.19`	`CIA-7`	`AutoBar :`
`11:57.19`	`CIA-7`	`- Updated localization zhTW`
`11:57.19`	`CIA-7`	`- Updated localization zhCN`
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`12:01.35`	`Zhinjio`	`class coloring in my lists worked on the first try. OK. good progress for one night. I gotta get some sleep.`
`12:02.42`	`CIA-7`	`03zhinjio * r53578 10/branches/SKG/ (9 files in 2 dirs):`
`12:02.42`	`CIA-7`	`SuicideKingsGeo :`
`12:02.42`	`CIA-7`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:02.42`	`CIA-7`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:02.42`	`CIA-7`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:03.10`	`Zhinjio\|sleep`	`Peace, y'all.`
`12:09.17`	`CIA-7`	`03ensabahnur * r53579 10Babble-2.2/Babble-SpellTree-2.2/Babble-SpellTree-2.2.lua:`
`12:09.17`	`CIA-7`	`Babble-2.2`
`12:09.17`	`CIA-7`	`- Babble-SpellTree-2.2: Updated DE Localization`
`12:09.34`	`Grum`	`What would be the best addon to change your max camera distance?`
`12:09.58`	`Nefarion`	`type this into the chat (should save in-between sessions):`
`12:10.00`	`Nefarion`	`err, sec`
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`12:10.56`	`Nefarion`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:11.19`	`Grum`	`any real max value on it?`
`12:11.27`	`Nefarion`	`i forgot but it's a pretty high limit`
`12:12.02`	`Nefarion`	`default is 15`
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`12:12.23`	`Nefarion`	`once you hit the cap try settings this higher as well`
`12:12.31`	`Nefarion`	`cameraDistanceMaxFactor`
`12:12.34`	`Nefarion`	`default is 1`
`12:12.38`	xyu`	`morning bitches!`
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`12:13.21`	xyu`	`i just took a 10 minute test and then class was let out. what a waste`
`12:13.42`	`Nefarion`	`you're gonna complain about that? lol`
`12:13.46`	xyu`	`The test wasn't even creative. T/F multiple choice`
`12:13.49`	xyu`	`haha yeah i know`
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`12:13.57`	xyu`	`i just hate lazy teachers`
`12:14.02`	`Nefarion`	`lol T/F`
`12:14.41`	xyu`	`Yeah the sentences were just some random sentence w/in the chapters if it was true, and then a word changed if it was false.`
`12:14.45`	`Nefarion`	`imo 50-50 questions aren't ability tests, they're guessing games. multiple choice is bad enough.`
`12:15.18`	xyu`	`The teacher says "it's to see if you can spot the details"`
`12:15.24`	xyu`	`because i said the same thing`
`12:16.21`	`Nefarion`	`that's probably what i would say if a student told me i was lazy in that position`
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`12:19.41`	`Nefarion`	`is there an option in the interface options for nameplate display, or just the keybinding`
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`12:41.59`	`Industrial`	`theres a ZOMGACE addon for it`
`12:42.07`	`Industrial`	`but it really can be coded in 5 lines or so`
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`12:42.17`	`Industrial`	`that is - automatically rutning it on/off at combat`
`12:42.20`	`Industrial`	`turning*`
`12:42.41`	`Industrial`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7734`
`12:42.46`	`Industrial`	`but i'd advise against using it`
`12:42.47`	`Industrial`	`:P`
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`12:45.42`	`Nefarion`	`i saw that indie`
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`12:45.47`	`Nefarion`	`and i saw your troll lol`
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`12:46.33`	`Nefarion`	`i was thinking of just throwing one together and keeping it simple; having the option to enable/disable hiding hooked into the interface options underneath the regular nameplate option (but then i thought there might not be a regular option..)`
`12:47.05`	`Nefarion`	`yeah, it is kinda funny that people throw ace into an addon that can be written in about 2-4 lines.`
`12:51.01`	`harldephin`	`why does Prat's PopupMessage module using SCT to show the message cause a tooltip of the corresponding target to "blink" at about the whole screen ? - a target would be e.g. my pet when the highlighted message is about a poison removed by my advanced mend pet skill/talent. - i'm using TinyTip with the tooltip anchored to my cursor.`
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`13:03.42`	`Nefarion`	`anyone else getting "???wow.web.forums.error500.message???" visiting the official forums, General section?`
`13:04.49`	`cncfanatics`	`works fine for me Nefario`
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`13:05.10`	`Nefarion`	`i'm on the US side...`
`13:06.00`	`harldephin`	`ah, hm. don't know about US, but EU seems to work`
`13:07.31`	`Shirik`	`Nefarion: I have the same problem`
`13:08.29`	`Nefarion`	`might be a way to get all the 12-year-old posters to scatter`
`13:08.40`	`Nefarion`	`i believe the servers are still down..`
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`13:16.28`	`Chompers`	`Industrial has an awesome avatar on wowinterface`
`13:16.29`	`Chompers`	`I ROAR`
`13:16.35`	`Chompers`	`he suuuure does`
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`13:20.20`	`Industrial`	`I dont troll I ask genuine questions. I don't win by being tricking people into argueing with me. I win when they admit I'm right, else I lose.`
`13:21.46`	`Josh_Borke`	`so you always lose`
`13:22.24`	`Industrial`	`ill take them avoiding to post a reply as a win`
`13:22.39`	`Industrial`	`cuz IMRITE`
`13:22.47`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`13:22.51`	`Josh_Borke`	`:-P`
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`13:28.18`	`cncfanatics`	`why does a function taking 100ms to run lag the UI already damnit ?`
`13:28.25`	`cncfanatics`	`sucks to have noticable lag`
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`13:28.33`	`Josh_Borke`	`100ms is a long time`
`13:28.53`	`cncfanatics`	`it used to be way more before I optimized it :p`
`13:28.55`	`Josh_Borke`	`seeing as how it's only a tenth of a second`
`13:29.07`	`Josh_Borke`	`and i'm pretty sure we can parse information`
`13:29.14`	`Josh_Borke`	`at faster than 1/10th of a second`
`13:29.36`	`cncfanatics`	`well`
`13:29.38`	`Josh_Borke`	`100ms is equivalent to 10 FPS`
`13:29.45`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm generating statebutton attributes`
`13:29.48`	`cncfanatics`	`once for every button`
`13:29.55`	`cncfanatics`	`checking in cache if it already hasn't been generated`
`13:30.02`	`cncfanatics`	`but even checking the cache is expensive :( two table loops`
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`13:30.40`	`cncfanatics`	`I'd have to find a faster way to compare two tables idealy`
`13:30.45`	`Josh_Borke`	`table lookups aren't that expensive`
`13:30.52`	`Josh_Borke`	`table compares on the other hand are`
`13:31.07`	`cncfanatics`	`http://pastey.net/76175 I do that 20 times`
`13:31.11`	`cncfanatics`	`once per button`
`13:31.14`	`cncfanatics`	`eventualy more`
`13:31.16`	`cncfanatics`	`ifmore is in cache`
`13:31.23`	`cncfanatics`	`I loop through the cache and see if anything matches`
`13:31.26`	`cncfanatics`	`its damn expensive`
`13:31.31`	`cncfanatics`	`would need to find a better way rly :p`
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`13:31.44`	`cncfanatics`	`got to do that once per cache entry per button`
`13:32.02`	`Azurewrath`	`http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exploits_of_a_mom.png`
`13:32.10`	`Industrial`	`Azurewrath: old! :D`
`13:32.19`	`Azurewrath`	`bleh ;p`
`13:32.24`	`cncfanatics`	`Josh_Borke, any idea to make that faster ?`
`13:32.26`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm running out`
`13:32.52`	`Industrial`	`cncfanatics: why don't you go the "config once" way where you config a button and its states once, save that and don't need to compare anything and just load and use that until you change it again`
`13:33.05`	`Industrial`	`I understand its kinda late to say this :p`
`13:33.10`	`cncfanatics`	`well`
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`13:33.13`	`cncfanatics`	`when learning new spells`
`13:33.13`	`Gagorian`	`You could check value first, if it's false sometimes then you'll save the table lookup`
`13:33.19`	`cncfanatics`	`I have to check if the user learned any new states`
`13:33.21`	`break19`	`Azurewrath: heh`
`13:33.23`	`cncfanatics`	`thats when the code is being run`
`13:33.48`	`cncfanatics`	`and the lag at the trainer is irritating :p`
`13:33.52`	`Industrial`	`cant you just load all possible states per class? it wont change states if the user doesnt have the spell anyway right?`
`13:34.05`	`cncfanatics`	`I'd rather not do that`
`13:34.10`	`cncfanatics`	`because if blizz changes anything it'll break`
`13:34.16`	`Industrial`	`well yes`
`13:34.18`	`cncfanatics`	`atm it can't break cuz it gets its info from blizz`
`13:34.21`	`Josh_Borke`	`cncfanatics: use a coroutine then`
`13:34.35`	`cncfanatics`	`Josh_Borke, how much faster would it be ? and how would I do that ?`
`13:34.40`	`break19`	`or, update your code if bliz changes anything. :p`
`13:34.54`	`Josh_Borke`	`cncfanatics: it wouldn't be faster, actually slower, but it would alleviate the lag`
`13:35.00`	`cncfanatics`	`how would it ? :o`
`13:35.04`	Funkeh`	`durcyn, any luck?`
`13:35.17`	`Josh_Borke`	`cncfanatics: because it wouldn't block wow during the entire execution`
`13:35.29`	`cncfanatics`	`well, please explain :p I have no idea what a coroutine is :)`
`13:37.09`	`Nefarion`	`i'm bored. anyone got any funny videos, images, threads, etc?`
`13:37.25`	`Josh_Borke`	`cncfanatics: i don't really understand coroutines myself`
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`13:38.00`	`cncfanatics`	`well, you probably do know what they are though`
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`13:38.22`	`Josh_Borke`	`wellllllllll, not exactly`
`13:38.32`	`Nefarion`	`the internet is your friend`
`13:38.44`	`cncfanatics`	`what I guess I could do is use OnUpdate and do buttons 5 by 5 instead of all at once`
`13:38.58`	`Nefarion`	`http://www.lua.org/pil/9.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coroutine`
`13:38.58`	`Josh_Borke`	`coroutines are these magical things that keep state and can be yielded`
`13:39.23`	`Xinhuan`	`hi, need help with coroutines? ^^`
`13:39.30`	`cncfanatics`	`Xinhuan, kinda`
`13:39.40`	`cncfanatics`	`I have this code that lags my UI when at the trainer, I want to make it stop :)`
`13:39.53`	`Xinhuan`	`k hold on`
`13:40.18`	`Xinhuan`	`a coroutine - is a function`
`13:40.19`	`Josh_Borke`	`cncfanatics: coroutines would make using the OnUpdate easier because the coroutine would keep track of the state and stuff or something`
`13:40.52`	`Xinhuan`	`inside the function, you can run this command called "coroutine.yield()" which causes the function to return from execution immediately, similar to "return"`
`13:41.17`	`Xinhuan`	`the difference, is that, outside that coroutine function, you can later choose to resume() that function`
`13:41.20`	`Xinhuan`	`from where you left off`
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`13:41.26`	`cncfanatics`	`thats a handy stuff`
`13:41.30`	`cncfanatics`	`http://pastey.net/76176`
`13:41.32`	`cncfanatics`	`thats my current code`
`13:41.40`	`cncfanatics`	`I stripped off the useless stuff`
`13:41.55`	`cncfanatics`	`I could every 5 iterations just do coroutine.yield() till the next frame`
`13:41.57`	`Xinhuan`	`coroutines is actually harder to implement than most people think it is`
`13:41.58`	`cncfanatics`	`and resume from there`
`13:42.16`	`cncfanatics`	`what does coroutine.yield() return ?`
`13:42.28`	`Xinhuan`	`because it requires 1. a frame to do OnUpdate from where you call coroutine.resume()`
`13:42.30`	`Josh_Borke`	`Xinhuan: i think coroutines are super hard`
`13:42.46`	`Xinhuan`	`coroutine.yield() returns 2 values to the caller`
`13:42.50`	`Xinhuan`	`sorry, 1 value`
`13:42.51`	`Josh_Borke`	`that's why i believe they are voodoo magic`
`13:42.55`	`Xinhuan`	`well sometimes 2 sometimes 1`
`13:43.05`	`Xinhuan`	`the first return value is TRUE or FALSE`
`13:43.11`	`Xinhuan`	`true = no error occured`
`13:43.15`	`Xinhuan`	`false = some error occured`
`13:43.21`	`cncfanatics`	`I guess it returns what u shld pass to resume`
`13:43.27`	`Xinhuan`	`almost`
`13:43.37`	`Xinhuan`	`if some error occured, the 2nd return value contains the error that happened`
`13:43.41`	`Nefarion`	`you pass the coroutine to resume, don't you?`
`13:43.48`	`Xinhuan`	`i.e errors that are normally caught by Bugsack`
`13:43.53`	`Xinhuan`	`yep nef`
`13:44.09`	`cncfanatics`	`ok, if I call coroutine.yield inside the foo function, how would I go resume it ?`
`13:44.12`	`Nefarion`	`local myCo = coroutine.create(function); then you pass myCo to resume.`
`13:44.14`	`Xinhuan`	`but coroutines run in its own protected environment that errorcatchers cannot reach`
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`13:44.27`	`Xinhuan`	`so before you make a coroutine, make sure the actual function works properly first`
`13:44.32`	`cncfanatics`	`also; another question`
`13:44.33`	`Xinhuan`	`in a noncoroutine environment`
`13:44.38`	`Xinhuan`	`or debugging it is extremely hard`
`13:44.44`	`cncfanatics`	`from what time on do functions start to lag the UI ?`
`13:44.53`	`cncfanatics`	`the func atm takes 100ms to run completely`
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`13:45.05`	`Xinhuan`	`that's hard to estimate`
`13:45.09`	`Josh_Borke`	`cncfanatics: consider you want everyone to get 30 FPS`
`13:45.15`	`Xinhuan`	`you simply have to call yield() at appropriate times`
`13:45.17`	`Josh_Borke`	`lua> 1/30`
`13:45.17`	`cladbot`	`Josh_Borke: 0.033333333333333`
`13:45.18`	`Xinhuan`	`and as frequent as you need`
`13:45.28`	`Josh_Borke`	`lua> 1/30*1000`
`13:45.28`	`cladbot`	`Josh_Borke: 33.333333333333`
`13:45.38`	`Josh_Borke`	`cncfanatics: 33.33 ms is a good guess`
`13:45.39`	`cncfanatics`	`hmmm, another idea`
`13:45.42`	`Xinhuan`	`there are some inherent issues with coroutines`
`13:45.44`	`Nefarion`	`there's a math thinger here too, ~mathproblem`
`13:45.48`	`Nefarion`	`~1/30`
`13:45.48`	`purl`	`0.033333333333`
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`13:45.55`	`Xinhuan`	`1st, you need to check if an existing coroutine is running before you create a new one`
`13:45.57`	`Josh_Borke`	`~1/30*1000`
`13:45.58`	`purl`	`33.333333333333`
`13:46.02`	`Xinhuan`	`or you would have 2 corountines running at the same time`
`13:46.13`	`cncfanatics`	`very probable for me`
`13:46.17`	`cncfanatics`	`it triggers on learning new spells`
`13:46.25`	`cncfanatics`	`u often learn 5-6 spells at once at a trainer`
`13:46.26`	`Xinhuan`	`2nd you will need different return values from a yield() call to a actual "return"`
`13:46.28`	`cncfanatics`	`which wld make it going 6 times`
`13:46.36`	`Xinhuan`	`so that the caller knows when the function finished`
`13:46.43`	`cncfanatics`	`bleh, sounds like a pain`
`13:46.53`	`Xinhuan`	`you can look in TSP.lua in _Routes ;p`
`13:46.55`	`Nefarion`	`cnc, what exactly are you doing when the spell is learned?`
`13:46.59`	`Xinhuan`	`perfect implementation in there`
`13:47.05`	`cncfanatics`	`regenerating the statebutton attribute of my buttons`
`13:47.08`	`Josh_Borke`	`you're not full of yourself ;-P`
`13:47.10`	`cncfanatics`	`in case a new state was learned`
`13:47.31`	`Nefarion`	`so you're scanning every spell when they're learned?`
`13:48.08`	`cncfanatics`	`na`
`13:48.30`	`cncfanatics`	`I loop through all states a user has`
`13:48.36`	`cncfanatics`	`and regenerate statebutton based on those`
`13:48.37`	`harldephin`	`hm. i can't find Cartographer's click-through option it had before`
`13:48.57`	`Nefarion`	`oh i see`
`13:48.58`	`Xinhuan`	`when the coroutine function ends, you typically want to run followup code that finishes up whatever it is doing, so you may need to also create a new function closure for it`
`13:49.20`	`cncfanatics`	`I only need a coroutine for the very last part of my loop`
`13:49.23`	`cncfanatics`	`so won't be needed in my case`
`13:49.30`	`cncfanatics`	`but i'm wondering`
`13:49.31`	`Nefarion`	`so you check all state buttons every time a spell is learned?`
`13:49.36`	`cncfanatics`	`Nefarion, yes`
`13:49.58`	`cncfanatics`	`about 100ms time every time :/`
`13:50.21`	`Xinhuan`	`its not really an issue cncfanatics, if you delay scanning by 5 secs`
`13:50.42`	`Xinhuan`	`and if within that 5 secs, he learns a new spell, reset that delay to 5 secs`
`13:50.43`	`Nefarion`	`in that case, make a local var, false. when a new spell is leanred at the trainer (hook the onclick at the trainer window), set this to true. hook the onhide of the trainer book and have it check if that var is true (thus a spell was learned) and then execute it. saves an execution every time.`
`13:50.52`	`cncfanatics`	`ehm`
`13:50.58`	`cncfanatics`	`u realize u can also learn states from talents right?`
`13:51.08`	`cncfanatics`	`it'll bug for shadowform, tree form & moonkin forlm`
`13:51.36`	`cncfanatics`	`delaying it by 3-5 secs wld be viable`
`13:51.39`	`Xinhuan`	`its fine if you just do what i said if you don't want to use coroutines, i do not believe coroutines is the solution for this problem`
`13:51.49`	`cncfanatics`	`I don't think either`
`13:51.52`	`Xinhuan`	`because he could be learning a 2nd new spell while the coroutine is running`
`13:51.58`	`Xinhuan`	`and that would require a full restart of the scan`
`13:52.01`	`cncfanatics`	`I either need to optimize my func more (unlikely) or get around it`
`13:52.22`	`cncfanatics`	`if I could make my StatesAreEqual func faster somehow that'd be a big help`
`13:52.31`	`Xinhuan`	`and if you learn a new spell while the coroutine is halfway into a scan, it will possibly bug out`
`13:52.32`	`cncfanatics`	`its a loop ran in a loop several times, optimizing that will have a huge impact`
`13:52.58`	`cncfanatics`	`http://pastey.net/76177 any way to make this faster ? even if its slightly`
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`13:53.06`	`cncfanatics`	`compares two tables`
`13:53.16`	`Xinhuan`	`looking`
`13:54.13`	`Xinhuan`	`uh`
`13:54.22`	`Xinhuan`	`can you explain the purpose of that function?`
`13:54.35`	`cncfanatics`	`check if the content of two tables is equal`
`13:54.48`	`cncfanatics`	`entries with a value of false can be ommited in the other table`
`13:54.48`	`Xinhuan`	`what are the conditions for the contents to be considered equal?`
`13:55.08`	`cncfanatics`	`if a value is true in one table, it has to be true in another`
`13:55.15`	`cncfanatics`	`if a value is false in one table it has to be nil or false in the other`
`13:55.22`	`cncfanatics`	`no strings in it, only true/false`
`13:55.46`	`Xinhuan`	`you can optimize it quite a bit`
`13:55.55`	`Xinhuan`	`i think`
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`13:56.02`	`deltron`	`lol`
`13:56.10`	`deltron`	`there's an exploit in ctraid going around`
`13:56.12`	`deltron`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2712991510&sid=1`
`13:56.18`	`Xinhuan`	`let me think about it for a while cnc`
`13:56.30`	`Xinhuan`	`(my specialty is code optimization ;p)`
`13:56.31`	`cncfanatics`	`http://pastey.net/76178`
`13:56.37`	`cncfanatics`	`that would already make it some faster imo`
`13:56.45`	`Nefarion`	`what exploit exactly?`
`13:57.02`	`deltron`	`Nefarion: disbanding guilds`
`13:57.31`	`Nefarion`	`how is he doing it?`
`13:57.31`	`cncfanatics`	`u can run slashcommands on someone elses comp if they have ctraid, most probably`
`13:57.35`	`deltron`	`no clue`
`13:57.40`	`cncfanatics`	`see what I just said :p`
`13:57.49`	`Nefarion`	`haha`
`13:57.58`	`deltron`	`that'd be really funny and sad`
`13:58.04`	`cncfanatics`	`depending on how ctraid is made , I can see how it'd work`
`13:58.27`	`cncfanatics`	`u can send requests to other clients with ctraid, those requests, could, if ctraid is not well writen, run a function with the same name as the command`
`13:58.37`	`cncfanatics`	`so if u sent to GuildDisband command it would run the GuildDisband(); function`
`13:58.58`	`cncfanatics`	`if u send the GetAmountOfAnkhs command it would run GetAmountOfAnkhs();`
`13:59.05`	`cncfanatics`	`this is a wild guess btw`
`13:59.10`	`cncfanatics`	`I don't know how ctraid is made`
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`13:59.21`	`cncfanatics`	`Xinhuan, any clues on how to optimize it ?`
`13:59.25`	`Xinhuan`	`luckily, i overwrote the guilddisband function in one of my addons so i can never gdisband my guild without disabling my addon`
`13:59.32`	`Xinhuan`	`let me think about it for a while cnc`
`14:00.15`	`Xinhuan`	`cos in the current code, you're doing a N+M pass`
`14:00.32`	`Gngsk`	`sounds like the Split() function`
`14:00.48`	`cncfanatics`	`Xinhuan, u want the whole of the code ? it'd make it easyer to understand`
`14:00.59`	`Xinhuan`	`can the function modify the 2 tables?`
`14:01.05`	`Xinhuan`	`or leave them unmodified`
`14:01.13`	`Xinhuan`	`and how large are these 2 tables?`
`14:01.51`	`Xinhuan`	`also deltron, how does that guilddisband thing equate to ctraid?`
`14:01.55`	`Xinhuan`	`there's no mention of it anywhere`
`14:02.15`	`cncfanatics`	`the tables are usualy empty, or have 1-3 keys, rarely more`
`14:02.28`	`Xinhuan`	`if its that small, there is no need to optimize it`
`14:02.41`	`cncfanatics`	`its called lots of times though :p`
`14:02.48`	`Xinhuan`	`what are the keys?`
`14:02.49`	`Xinhuan`	`numbers?`
`14:02.52`	`cncfanatics`	`strings`
`14:02.53`	`Xinhuan`	`strings?`
`14:03.08`	`Xinhuan`	`what kind of strings?`
`14:03.12`	`cncfanatics`	`the function is called once per button per different state combination`
`14:03.16`	`cncfanatics`	`the name of the type of a state`
`14:03.24`	`cncfanatics`	`like shapeshift, equipment, target`
`14:04.08`	`cncfanatics`	`supose I have 20 buttons on screen, and that I use 3 different state combinations, then I'd have that func called around 60 times (slightly less actualy)`
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`14:04.29`	`Xinhuan`	`are you sure the chokepoint is that function?`
`14:04.34`	`Xinhuan`	`i do not believe it is`
`14:04.36`	`cncfanatics`	`no`
`14:04.38`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm not`
`14:04.42`	`cncfanatics`	`but its whats called msot often`
`14:04.56`	`Xinhuan`	`the function is simple enough, on small tables that it should have no impact on running speed`
`14:04.58`	`cncfanatics`	`http://pastey.net/76176 is my all the code thats run`
`14:05.24`	`Xinhuan`	`here's what i would like you to do`
`14:05.37`	`Nefarion`	`there's a hack involved it looks like`
`14:05.41`	`Xinhuan`	`at the top of your StatesAreEqual() function`
`14:05.42`	`Nefarion`	`read post 14`
`14:05.50`	`Xinhuan`	`call debugprofilestart()`
`14:06.04`	`cncfanatics`	`and at the end debugprofilestop(); with a print`
`14:06.08`	`Xinhuan`	`at the end of it, call abc = abc + debugprofilestop()`
`14:06.23`	`Xinhuan`	`print the value of abc after you finish`
`14:06.26`	`Nefarion`	`i remember on an older server i was on i somehow recieved admin control of my guild while my brother was the official leader, and it lasted for around 20 hours. never found out how or why. might be a bug they exploited.`
`14:06.33`	`Xinhuan`	`so it has a summed total of that function's running time`
`14:06.57`	`Xinhuan`	`you can do this either in the function itself, or outside the function where you call it`
`14:07.15`	`cncfanatics`	`I also added a counter to see how often its run`
`14:07.30`	`Xinhuan`	`i do not believe 60 function calls to statesareequal() and another 120 calls to pairs() will cause a 100ms lag`
`14:07.53`	`Xinhuan`	`especially when the tables have 0 to 3 entries in it`
`14:08.25`	`cncfanatics`	`it'll contribute`
`14:08.27`	xyu`	`i hope it's an epidemic! guilds disbanding everywhere. /fun`
`14:08.36`	`Nefarion`	`not really`
`14:08.54`	`Nefarion`	`not when it's the guild you own and they're holding up it (and eventually its name, when you want to recreate) for ransom`
`14:09.15`	`cncfanatics`	`report`
`14:09.17`	xyu`	`as long as it provides me entertainment`
`14:09.17`	`Nefarion`	`i'd totally take a baseball bat to the balls of anyone who did that if i saw them`
`14:09.27`	`cncfanatics`	`Nefarion, report that and they get banned tbh`
`14:09.42`	xyu`	`You can still function without your precious name`
`14:09.43`	`Nefarion`	`the gms are hardly ever helpful with anything. and the people in the thread said they helped with next to nothing.`
`14:09.52`	`cncfanatics`	`ok ur right Xinhuan`
`14:09.59`	`cncfanatics`	`0.181 total time`
`14:10.05`	`Xinhuan`	`that's less than 1 ms`
`14:10.17`	`Xinhuan`	`what you need to do is to find the chokepoint that is causing the 100 ms`
`14:10.31`	`cncfanatics`	`saw my pastey ?`
`14:10.37`	`Xinhuan`	`yeah`
`14:10.38`	`cncfanatics`	`the huge GenerateStateDriver loop`
`14:10.42`	`cncfanatics`	`and the huge GenerateStateButton loop`
`14:10.46`	`Xinhuan`	`3 loops inside each other`
`14:11.12`	`Xinhuan`	`is pairs() and ipairs() localized?`
`14:11.48`	`cncfanatics`	`not using ipairs`
`14:11.54`	`cncfanatics`	`use for 1, #table instead`
`14:12.01`	`cncfanatics`	`slightly faster as there's no function call`
`14:12.03`	`Xinhuan`	`line 14 has ipairs()`
`14:12.21`	`cncfanatics`	`thats only called twice though`
`14:12.49`	`Xinhuan`	`well i can't really see where the chokepoint is, can you get timings for your outermost loop?`
`14:13.07`	`cncfanatics`	`doing that atm`
`14:13.12`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm doing the full cache loop first`
`14:13.17`	`cncfanatics`	`to see how much time it takes total to check the cache`
`14:13.19`	`cncfanatics`	`shouldn't be much`
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`14:13.36`	`cncfanatics`	`0.45 is total cache check time`
`14:13.37`	`cncfanatics`	`thats nothing`
`14:14.23`	`Nefarion`	`wow, this almost redefines "huntard": http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dath%27Remar&n=Lachthegreat`
`14:14.35`	`baer_`	`has someone considered an wow-frontend to eqdkp? :)`
`14:14.52`	`baer_`	`talking about the raidplan-plugin...`
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`14:16.44`	`Grum`	`cncfanatics: what might be a faster way is putting a: table2[key] = nil in the first loop so the second loop will not check 'correct items'`
`14:17.36`	`cncfanatics`	`I can't modify the tables`
`14:17.39`	`Grum`	`humz but it being lua you change the actual table`
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`14:17.59`	`Grum`	`what kind of key/values are in there?`
`14:18.04`	`Grum`	`random user-data ? or data you know the format of?`
`14:18.12`	`Grum`	`because you could do something like:`
`14:18.14`	`cncfanatics`	`statename = true/false/nil`
`14:18.30`	`cncfanatics`	`I can't find the chokepoint`
`14:18.38`	`cncfanatics`	`the whole GenerateStateButton func takes only 5ms in total`
`14:18.39`	`Grum`	`how big are the tables?`
`14:18.53`	`Nefarion`	`he said a couple entires`
`14:19.13`	`Nefarion`	`0-3 (unless you're talking about another table =X )`
`14:20.35`	`Xinhuan`	`GenerateStateButton takes 5 ms?`
`14:20.39`	`cncfanatics`	`yea`
`14:20.40`	`cncfanatics`	`in total`
`14:20.44`	`cncfanatics`	`so its definatly not that`
`14:20.45`	`Xinhuan`	`but how many buttons are you generating?`
`14:20.48`	`cncfanatics`	`25 for me`
`14:20.55`	`Xinhuan`	`5ms for all 25?`
`14:20.58`	`cncfanatics`	`yea`
`14:21.00`	`cncfanatics`	`thats nothing`
`14:21.04`	`cncfanatics`	`where do the other 95 come from N?`
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`14:21.21`	`Xinhuan`	`only you can find that out ;p`
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`14:21.42`	`Xinhuan`	`what if you debugprofile the entire thing`
`14:21.44`	`Xinhuan`	`do you get 100 ms?`
`14:22.30`	`cncfanatics`	`doing that now`
`14:22.34`	`cncfanatics`	`I did get 100ms last time I checked`
`14:23.42`	`cncfanatics`	`wtk`
`14:23.43`	`cncfanatics`	`wth`
`14:23.45`	`cncfanatics`	`I get 1 now`
`14:23.51`	`Nefarion`	`lol`
`14:23.59`	`Xinhuan`	`~clap cncfanatics`
`14:24.14`	`cncfanatics`	`but it still lags`
`14:24.33`	`Grum`	`if you take out that piece of code the lag stops btw?`
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`14:25.02`	`Xinhuan`	`so what happens if you comment out line 138`
`14:25.07`	`Xinhuan`	`Button:GenerateStateButton();`
`14:25.12`	`Xinhuan`	`and run your code`
`14:25.19`	`cncfanatics`	`sec`
`14:25.24`	`cncfanatics`	`lemme first make sure my profiling is right`
`14:25.41`	`Xinhuan`	`note that you can't call debugprofilestart() in more than 1 location twice in a row`
`14:25.50`	`Xinhuan`	`since its a global call`
`14:26.25`	`Xinhuan`	`or your return values will be wrong`
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`14:27.51`	`Xinhuan`	`i suspect you did that`
`14:27.55`	`Xinhuan`	`hence you got 1 ms ;p`
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`14:28.12`	`cncfanatics`	`ya`
`14:28.14`	`cncfanatics`	`99ms now`
`14:28.20`	`deltron`	`lol`
`14:28.24`	`cncfanatics`	`lets call debugprofilestop(); one function call earlyer`
`14:28.32`	`cncfanatics`	`(doing it in the UpdateStates() function)`
`14:28.32`	`deltron`	`it's a little optimized now then :D`
`14:28.40`	`Nefarion`	`lol`
`14:29.02`	`cncfanatics`	`1ms is random tbh`
`14:29.10`	`cncfanatics`	`can be either 97; 99 ; 98; 100; 101; etc`
`14:29.14`	`cncfanatics`	`around that is all 100ms :p`
`14:29.22`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't see why people would complain about a 100 ms lag that only happens on learning a new spell`
`14:29.47`	`Xinhuan`	`its not even anywhere close to half a second`
`14:29.52`	`cncfanatics`	`I find it anoying myself`
`14:29.57`	`cncfanatics`	`noone complained about it, i just hate it :p`
`14:29.58`	`Nefarion`	`so if it's 96 there's a problem?`
`14:30.16`	`Shirik`	`why exactly is it there?`
`14:30.33`	`Shirik`	`what happens that makes you get a 100ms lag?`
`14:30.37`	`cncfanatics`	`running code that takes 100ms to run`
`14:30.42`	`Shirik`	`no kidding`
`14:30.45`	`Shirik`	`what code`
`14:30.49`	`cncfanatics`	`the pastey was eh, here http://pastey.net/76176`
`14:30.53`	`Xinhuan`	`it only happens on learning a new spell to regenerate the statebuttons`
`14:30.54`	`Grum`	`cncfanatics: 100ms lag is quite acceptable tbh`
`14:31.14`	`Grum`	`especially for such a low occuring event as learning new spell`
`14:31.16`	`Grum`	`+a`
`14:31.26`	`cncfanatics`	`seems I got the culprit`
`14:31.27`	`Xinhuan`	`its just that cncfanatics can't find where the majority bulk of the time the function spends`
`14:31.30`	`cncfanatics`	`GenerateStateDriver() has huge lag`
`14:31.44`	`Shirik`	`I agree with the "for such a low occuring event" however I can honestly see why people complain about it`
`14:32.26`	`cncfanatics`	`noone complained of it as of yet, but I just find it so anoying myself when at trainer`
`14:32.42`	`Xinhuan`	`well you're going to have to look at GenerateStateDriver() then`
`14:32.47`	`cncfanatics`	`ok`
`14:32.50`	`Xinhuan`	`and figure out whether its the first part or the second part`
`14:32.54`	`cncfanatics`	`the GenerateStateDriver() function takes 95ms`
`14:32.58`	`Xinhuan`	`of the function that contains the lag`
`14:33.17`	`cncfanatics`	`its weird it lags, and the GenerateStateButton one doesn't , they're very similar`
`14:33.31`	`Xinhuan`	`go narrow it down`
`14:33.41`	`cncfanatics`	`hmmm`
`14:33.42`	`cncfanatics`	`though`
`14:33.45`	`Xinhuan`	`by the way, calling tinsert() is faster than table.insert()`
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`14:33.54`	`cncfanatics`	`sec`
`14:33.59`	`cncfanatics`	`figuring wether its the first or second loop`
`14:34.04`	`Xinhuan`	`its also the same function`
`14:34.12`	`Xinhuan`	`tinsert == table.insert`
`14:34.35`	`cncfanatics`	`the first one`
`14:34.37`	`Xinhuan`	`generally will have a local tinsert = tinsert`
`14:34.40`	`Xinhuan`	`near the top of the file`
`14:34.43`	`cncfanatics`	`the first loop, the nested one, lags`
`14:34.52`	`cncfanatics`	`local tinsert = tinsert; will help`
`14:35.13`	`Xinhuan`	`how big are the loops`
`14:35.26`	`Xinhuan`	`#TypeOrder, #States and #StateList`
`14:35.48`	`cncfanatics`	`sec`
`14:37.11`	`cncfanatics`	`changing table.insert to tinsert and making it a local has a very very slight effect (2 ms gain)`
`14:37.24`	`Xinhuan`	`also don't see the point of line 68`
`14:37.25`	`Xinhuan`	`local Type = TypeOrder[MainKey];`
`14:37.33`	`Xinhuan`	`you used the variable "Type" exactly once`
`14:37.35`	`Xinhuan`	`in the next line`
`14:37.42`	`Xinhuan`	`just substitute the whole thing inside`
`14:38.55`	`cncfanatics`	`done`
`14:38.58`	`Pkekyo`	`mornin' all`
`14:39.27`	`kenlyric`	`it has a type of type Type`
`14:39.37`	`cncfanatics`	`ok`
`14:39.42`	`cncfanatics`	`#TypeOrder = 2`
`14:39.49`	`cncfanatics`	`#States = 2`
`14:39.56`	`cncfanatics`	`or 3`
`14:40.14`	`cncfanatics`	`and #StateList is usualy 2`
`14:40.32`	`Xinhuan`	`so the innermost loop runs a max of 12 times?`
`14:40.40`	`Xinhuan`	`2x2x3 = 12`
`14:40.41`	`cncfanatics`	`seems`
`14:40.49`	`cncfanatics`	`can't see how that causes 100ms lag :/`
`14:41.03`	`Xinhuan`	`do a timing on one loop of the #StateList loop`
`14:41.11`	`Xinhuan`	`in fact print out the timing of all 12`
`14:41.50`	`cncfanatics`	`doing that`
`14:41.53`	`cncfanatics`	`I'll give u an average`
`14:42.06`	`Xinhuan`	`i believe your avg will be less than 1 ms`
`14:42.38`	`cncfanatics`	`varies between 0 & 4`
`14:42.49`	`Xinhuan`	`self:RefreshState();`
`14:42.54`	`Xinhuan`	`what does that do`
`14:43.24`	`cncfanatics`	`uh, where ?`
`14:43.28`	`Xinhuan`	`line 10`
`14:43.29`	`Xinhuan`	`101`
`14:43.45`	`cncfanatics`	`thats totaly not suposed to be there`
`14:43.55`	`cncfanatics`	`causes the blizzard code to refresh all info based on the current state`
`14:44.09`	`Xinhuan`	`sounds like you are calling that 12 times.`
`14:44.14`	`cncfanatics`	`omg`
`14:44.18`	`cncfanatics`	`that WOULD cause 100ms lag np`
`14:44.26`	`cncfanatics`	`how the fuck did that get there ?`
`14:44.28`	`Xinhuan`	`cos its inside the outerloop`
`14:44.40`	`Xinhuan`	`and then looping #CurrStateList`
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`14:45.21`	`cncfanatics`	`lets see the total running time now that shit is gona`
`14:45.28`	`cncfanatics`	`btw, I should unbind my middle mouse button from paste`
`14:45.34`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm 99% sure thats how it ended there`
`14:45.34`	`Xinhuan`	`table.remove == tremove btw`
`14:45.42`	`cncfanatics`	`yea I did that already`
`14:46.11`	`cncfanatics`	`runtime is now 10`
`14:46.14`	`cncfanatics`	`instead of 100 :p`
`14:46.18`	`cncfanatics`	`damn RefreshState blizz`
`14:46.23`	`cncfanatics`	`thanks Xinhuan`
`14:46.25`	`Xinhuan`	`local StateTable = StateList[Key];`
`14:46.30`	`Xinhuan`	`on line 104 also seems unnecessary`
`14:46.42`	`Xinhuan`	`don't create 100 locals just for the sake of it`
`14:46.43`	`Xinhuan`	`~_~`
`14:46.44`	`purl`	`:/`
`14:47.56`	`cncfanatics`	`down to 7ms runtime total :)`
`14:48.15`	`CIA-7`	`03ammo 07Alpha * r53580 10Ace3/AceAddon-3.0/AceAddon-3.0.lua:`
`14:48.15`	`CIA-7`	`Ace3: AceAddon-3.0 - rename defaultPrototype stuff to defaultModulePrototype to make it more in line with the other module Set* functions`
`14:48.15`	`CIA-7`	`- Fix bug where the defaultmoduleprototype would not be used when creating a module without a passed moduleprototype but with 1 more libraries`
`14:48.17`	`Xinhuan`	`cos assigning locals does take a tiny tiny amount of time`
`14:48.44`	`cncfanatics`	`Xinhuan, big cheers :p its now about 10 times as fast`
`14:48.52`	`cncfanatics`	`I do still wonder how that RefreshState() got there though`
`14:49.09`	`Xinhuan`	`by the way,`
`14:49.19`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm not sure if comparing strings to ""`
`14:49.28`	`Xinhuan`	`is faster or worse than comparing #string`
`14:49.41`	`Josh_Borke`	`faster to compare strings`
`14:49.43`	`cncfanatics`	`#string is an extra call to find out the size`
`14:49.44`	`Josh_Borke`	`than to check length`
`14:50.00`	`Josh_Borke`	`comparison is justa reference check`
`14:50.27`	`CIA-7`	`03cncfanatics * r53581 10FlexBar2/ (Attributes/Attributes.lua Slashcommands.lua): FlexBar2: Typos shouldn't make code take 10 times longer to run :( + Extra optimization, cheers Xinhuan \!`
`14:50.45`	`Xinhuan`	`lol @ typos`
`14:50.49`	`Xinhuan`	`that sure wasn't a typo!`
`14:50.54`	`cncfanatics`	`it got there, somehow`
`14:51.00`	`cncfanatics`	`everything that shouldn't be where it is is a typo :p`
`14:51.50`	`nevcairiel`	`typos are generally only syntax errors, or misspelld variable names that dont error`
`14:52.20`	`Xinhuan`	`well next time you get code that takes very long to run, you'll know how to narrow down the culprit! :)`
`14:52.48`	`Xinhuan`	`spending time to optimize the wrong function (such as StatesAreEqual()) is a waste of time`
`14:53.17`	`Grum`	`haha nice find Xinhuan ^^`
`14:54.11`	`Xinhuan`	`the procedure is fairly typical in programming, a real C compiler can add flags to insert CPU profiling code`
`14:54.33`	`Xinhuan`	`so that they they can give a profile report on how much time every function takes to run`
`14:54.40`	`CIA-7`	`03ammo 07Alpha * r53582 10Ace3/AceAddon-3.0/AceAddon-3.0.lua: Ace3: AceAddon-3.0 - don't recreate the IsModule function for every module`
`14:54.44`	`Xinhuan`	`over one program execution`
`14:55.28`	`Xinhuan`	`they do this by adding code to obtain the timings of every function call at the beginning/end of functions`
`14:55.48`	`Xinhuan`	`and a overall program wrapper to output all the recorded timings to a file`
`14:56.34`	`cncfanatics`	`wish lua cld do that tbh`
`14:56.59`	`CIA-7`	`03cncfanatics * r53583 10FlexBar2/Attributes/Attributes.lua: FlexBar2: More typos`
`14:57.03`	`Xinhuan`	`lua doesn't do that`
`14:57.22`	`Xinhuan`	`but Blizzard added a "coarse" version of it when they added CPU Profiling in some patch a few months ago`
`14:57.37`	`Xinhuan`	`turning on CPU profiling in wow will add function wrappers to every function of every addon`
`14:57.46`	`Xinhuan`	`to take the timings of each addon`
`14:57.53`	`Xinhuan`	`so you can see which addons eat a lot of CPU time`
`14:57.57`	`cncfanatics`	`why don't they let us get function specific stuff ?`
`14:58.04`	`cncfanatics`	`so we could find out functions easely`
`14:58.05`	`Xinhuan`	`no idea`
`14:58.06`	`Josh_Borke`	`that's what debugprofilestart/stop are for`
`14:58.18`	`Xinhuan`	`it'll be nice if they could, but they chose not to`
`14:58.19`	`Josh_Borke`	`and you can get function specific stuff`
`14:58.27`	`Xinhuan`	`and just gave us "addon" by "addon"`
`14:58.32`	`Xinhuan`	`rather than function by function`
`14:58.40`	`Josh_Borke`	`they gave us functions`
`14:58.42`	`Cryect`	`Eh we can get functions?`
`14:58.45`	`Cryect`	`what are you talking baout`
`14:58.50`	`Xinhuan`	`you can't, not in wow at least`
`14:58.54`	`Cryect`	`Yes you can`
`14:58.55`	`Josh_Borke`	`cryect wrote something to show it`
`14:58.59`	`Cryect`	`you haven't wrote a profiler I can tell`
`14:59.02`	`Xinhuan`	`ah`
`14:59.21`	`Xinhuan`	`so you're saying you wrote a profiler to hook on to every function in lua?`
`14:59.22`	`Cryect`	`its like getfunctioncpuusage or something`
`14:59.28`	`Cryect`	`No I used the blizzard one :-p`
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`14:59.38`	`Xinhuan`	`sounds like its doable then`
`14:59.41`	`Xinhuan`	`but not a lot of people do it`
`14:59.43`	`Cryect`	`Only one problem`
`14:59.46`	`cncfanatics`	`:o sexy`
`14:59.50`	`Josh_Borke`	`GetFunctionCPUUsage(function, something here)`
`14:59.52`	`Xinhuan`	`that function itself eats cpu time though`
`15:00.10`	`Xinhuan`	`so turning on cpu profiling skews recorded times slightly`
`15:00.19`	`Xinhuan`	`from the true values`
`15:00.21`	`Cryect`	`I've found that the times returned when activating CPU profiling dramatically changes the times of some functions`
`15:00.32`	`Josh_Borke`	`but doesn't it skew all timings universally so performance is still relative`
`15:00.36`	`Xinhuan`	`but the values are usually accurate enough for you to determine where the problem lies`
`15:00.42`	`Cryect`	`some functions have their execution time bloated by over 1000 times Josh_Borke`
`15:00.46`	`Cryect`	`thats pretty severe :-p`
`15:00.55`	xyu`	`I'm not pretending to know what you guys are talking about, but when i enable cpu profiling in Performance_fu my Frames per sec drop to like 8. ^^`
`15:00.56`	`Josh_Borke`	`now you sound like the author of KLH ;-P`
`15:01.12`	`Xinhuan`	`really depends josh`
`15:01.19`	`Josh_Borke`	`Cryect: did you ever determine what the properties were that caused this extreme change?`
`15:01.24`	`Cryect`	`No it really bloats bad`
`15:01.29`	`cncfanatics`	`hmmmm`
`15:01.31`	`Xinhuan`	`if i have 1 function that calls 10000 functions inside it, it calls the profiling code 10000 times`
`15:01.33`	`Cryect`	`I've had functions timed at 1ms with Eclipse`
`15:01.34`	`Josh_Borke`	`i could see recursive functions bloating a lot`
`15:01.35`	`cncfanatics`	`a function calling lots of functions`
`15:01.36`	`Xinhuan`	`which wouldn't have been called otherwise`
`15:01.41`	`cncfanatics`	`it'll call the profiling code so much times`
`15:01.42`	`Xinhuan`	`so that does skew functions`
`15:01.42`	`Cryect`	`bloat to 1 second once cpu profiling is activated`
`15:01.51`	`Cryect`	`yep cncfanatics`
`15:02.02`	`Xinhuan`	`it skews wrapping functions more than the innermost functions`
`15:02.19`	`Xinhuan`	`because the wrapping functions will contain all the tmie taken of the inner function calls`
`15:02.21`	`Cryect`	`THe way they wrap is messed up`
`15:02.29`	`Cryect`	`anyways with eclipse`
`15:02.33`	`Josh_Borke`	`that's why i don't have lots of function calls within functions :-D`
`15:02.37`	`Cryect`	`I mean not eclipse >_>`
`15:02.44`	`Cryect`	`whats that profiler I used`
`15:02.50`	`Josh_Borke`	`protractor`
`15:02.53`	`Cryect`	`no`
`15:03.00`	`Cryect`	`Expo`
`15:03.03`	`Josh_Borke`	`you don't use your own profiler? o.O`
`15:03.06`	`Josh_Borke`	`SODOMY!`
`15:03.12`	`Cryect`	`I switched to using Expo`
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`15:03.22`	`Cryect`	`after finding the Blizzard CPU profiler was pretty worthless`
`15:03.29`	`Cryect`	`for functions that call lots of functions`
`15:03.38`	`Xinhuan`	`you generally don't need to profile code unless its really problematic`
`15:03.44`	`Xinhuan`	`or time critical`
`15:03.58`	`Cryect`	`Expo I also prefer see the memory increase per call as well`
`15:04.30`	`CIA-7`	`03nevcairiel 07Alpha * r53584 10Ace3/LICENSE.txt: Ace3 - add some linebreaks to LICENSE.txt for easier reading`
`15:04.50`	`Xinhuan`	`(who the fuck reads LICENSE.txt?)`
`15:04.58`	`alext`	`<--`
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`15:05.16`	xyu`	`There's a license.txt!?!?!?`
`15:05.22`	`Xinhuan`	`should have used WTFPL imo`
`15:05.25`	`Josh_Borke`	`it's the end of the world as we know it`
`15:05.33`	`Josh_Borke`	`and i feel fine`
`15:05.52`	`Xinhuan`	`http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/`
`15:05.52`	xyu`	`We've landed on the moon!!`
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`15:05.52`	`Xinhuan`	`WTFPL`
`15:05.52`	`Xinhuan`	`best liscense`
`15:05.52`	`*** join/#wowace todd (n=todd@69.245.116.254)`
`15:06.08`	`Xinhuan`	`or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL`
`15:06.29`	`Nefarion`	`lol`
`15:06.40`	`Xinhuan`	`it is a valid liscense`
`15:06.48`	`Wobin`	`That's great it starts with an earthquake birds and snakes an aeroplane`
`15:06.49`	`Xinhuan`	`thefirst link contains more detail and a FAQ`
`15:06.54`	`Wobin`	`Lenny bruce is not afraid`
`15:07.20`	`Nefarion`	xyu`, no we didn't we ALL know that was filmed in a studio...on the surface of mars. DUH!
`15:07.29`	`cncfanatics`	`lol`
`15:07.32`	`cncfanatics`	`WTFPL wins`
`15:07.38`	`Nefarion`	`yeah it's awesome`
`15:07.50`	`Xinhuan`	`according to wikipedia, it is legal`
`15:07.52`	`Nefarion`	`where can i find a complete list of Lua API?`
`15:08.02`	`Xinhuan`	`"the FSF's folks had to laugh and agree that 'DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT' is a valid Free Software license"`
`15:08.07`	`Nefarion`	`just the function names`
`15:08.12`	`Wobin`	`eye of a hurricaine listen to yourself churn world serves it's own needs dummy serves it's own needs`
`15:08.21`	`Wobin`	`Nefarion: www.lua.org`
`15:09.30`	`Wobin`	`feed it off an aux speak, grunt, no, strength, the ladder starts to clatter with fear fight down height`
`15:09.40`	`Josh_Borke`	`purl, hug wobin`
`15:09.44`	`purl`	`ACTION hugs wobin`
`15:09.55`	`MoonWolf`	`Wobin, wtf ?`
`15:09.55`	`Wobin`	`wire in a fire represent a seven games and a government for hire at a combat site`
`15:10.03`	`MoonWolf`	`did you go poetic on us all of a sudden ?`
`15:10.05`	`Wobin`	`<fasts forward to chorus>`
`15:10.11`	`Wobin`	`It's the end of the world as we known it`
`15:10.14`	`Wobin`	`and I feel fine!`
`15:10.21`	`Wobin`	`<rolls back>`
`15:10.25`	`Josh_Borke`	`lol`
`15:10.31`	`Josh_Borke`	`wobin is finishing my songs for me`
`15:10.41`	`Industrial`	`What level is felwood?`
`15:10.49`	`Wobin`	`Left of west and coming in a hurry with the furies breathing down. your. neck.`
`15:10.50`	`MoonWolf`	`50 - 55`
`15:10.51`	`MoonWolf`	`ish`
`15:10.53`	`Industrial`	`kay`
`15:10.53`	`MoonWolf`	`more or les`
`15:11.05`	`CIA-7`	`03ammo 07Alpha * r53585 10Ace3/AceAddon-3.0/AceAddon-3.0.lua: Ace3: AceAddon-3.0 - don't trash a possible lib being passed on NewModule`
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`15:11.50`	`Wobin`	`team by team reporters baffled, trunped tethered cropped. look at the low playing fine then, uh oh overflow population common food but it'll do to save yourself serve yourself`
`15:12.16`	`Industrial`	`Wobin: what? o_O`
`15:12.21`	`Josh_Borke`	`now, the question is, do you actually know the words wobin`
`15:12.25`	`Industrial`	`crack much?`
`15:12.26`	`Josh_Borke`	`or are you copying from a website :-P`
`15:12.38`	`Wobin`	`world serves it's own needs listen to your heart bleed dummy with the raptre and the revered and the right, right you vititriolic patriotic slam fight bright light feeling pretty psyched!`
`15:12.45`	`Wobin`	`I know the first verse =P`
`15:12.55`	`Wobin`	`and can sing along to the rest most of the way =P`
`15:13.51`	`Wobin`	`Best song ever, imo`
`15:14.08`	`Josh_Borke`	`my favorite is still basket case`
`15:14.08`	`Wobin`	`along with "One Week" by the BNL`
`15:14.38`	`Wobin`	`Do you have the time. to listen to me whine?`
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`15:15.08`	`Crysli`	`Hey. I saw this screenshot today: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/volotani/WoWScrnShot_103007_014232.jpg`
`15:15.23`	`Crysli`	`With minimap toggled it's like this: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/volotani/WoWScrnShot_103007_014204.jpg`
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`15:15.54`	`Crysli`	`But when I place my minimap above a bar, I simply can't click the buttons. Anyone know why?`
`15:16.09`	`[dRaCo]`	`prolly using another mod`
`15:16.31`	xyu`	`What addon is that combat log in the bottom corner?`
`15:16.57`	xyu`	`(minimap enabled)`
`15:16.58`	`[dRaCo]`	`I'd say eavesdrop`
`15:17.16`	`deltron`	`yeah looks like eavesdrop`
`15:17.29`	`kebinusan`	`bleh my autobar config reset again`
`15:17.42`	`Crysli`	`Perhaps Squeenix lets you click through the map. I'll try.`
`15:17.46`	`Crysli`	`Thanks :)`
`15:17.51`	`deltron`	`yeah, I had autobar debug stuff last night he`
`15:17.55`	`deltron`	`heh*`
`15:18.09`	`Wobin`	`ps, anyone who -hasn't- heard "It's the End of the World as we know it. (And I feel fine)" by REM, should go listen to it -right- now =P`
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`15:18.26`	`deltron`	`eh why?`
`15:18.32`	`Cryect`	`Wobin is really great for letting us know about new music!`
`15:18.36`	`[dRaCo]`	`it's a great song.`
`15:18.45`	`Wobin`	`well not new`
`15:19.27`	`Wobin`	`http://www.loosenutscc.com/~members/jenaygtp/ICHS96/REM%20-%20It's%20The%20End%20Of%20The%20World%20As%20We%20Know%20It.mp3`
`15:19.27`	`Wobin`	`PGMS is fantastic =P`
`15:19.46`	`cncfanatics`	`Wobin, link ?`
`15:19.50`	`cncfanatics`	`nvm`
`15:20.04`	`cncfanatics`	`omg`
`15:20.08`	`cncfanatics`	`what gay thing is that ?`
`15:20.19`	`Wobin`	`It's REM =P`
`15:20.24`	`Wobin`	`Where the hell have -you- been?`
`15:20.31`	`Cryect`	`seriosuly haven't heard that song?`
`15:20.43`	`cncfanatics`	`it sucks ?`
`15:20.56`	`Wobin`	`I guess you're too young =P`
`15:21.21`	`cncfanatics`	`god I hate it so much when people do that for real :p`
`15:21.25`	`Wobin`	`hehe`
`15:21.25`	`cncfanatics`	`glad ur just some random guy on IRC`
`15:21.27`	`Cryect`	`well the song is like over a decade old now or something :-p`
`15:21.32`	`Wobin`	`hm`
`15:21.34`	`Wobin`	`maybe two?`
`15:21.44`	`Cryect`	`was sometime during the 90's`
`15:21.50`	`cncfanatics`	`now back to listening Knights of the 21st century`
`15:22.07`	`Wobin`	`oh my mistake`
`15:22.14`	`Wobin`	`1987`
`15:22.21`	`Wobin`	`so almost 20 years =P`
`15:22.36`	`Cryect`	`wow yeah`
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`15:23.26`	`Cryect`	`Heh means I didn't probably hear it for like a half a decade after that`
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`15:24.51`	`CIA-7`	`03ammo 07Alpha * r53586 10Ace3/AceAddon-3.0/AceAddon-3.0.lua: Ace3: AceAddon-3.0 - don't have every single addon and module share the same metatable when we use that metatable to inject the moduleprototype as well`
`15:26.36`	`CIA-7`	`03ammo 07Alpha * r53587 10Ace3/AceAddon-3.0/AceAddon-3.0.lua: Ace3: AceAddon-3.0 - only table allowed in SetDefaultModulePrototype`
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`15:39.06`	`CIA-7`	`03ananhaid * r53588 10BigWigs/ (11 files in 4 dirs):`
`15:39.07`	`CIA-7`	`BigWigs:`
`15:39.07`	`CIA-7`	`- zhCN Updated (Thanks The7)`
`15:39.07`	`CIA-7`	`BTW:Some Changes not test,help to check it.`
`15:39.41`	`durcyn`	Funkeh`: raidleader decided to go to hyjal instead, will know tonight
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`15:41.04`	Funkeh`	`durcyn, heh, will probably jsut find out myself then :)`
`15:41.38`	Funkeh`	`durcyn, BT in ~3 hours, bitch a little later`
`15:41.58`	`durcyn`	Funkeh`: ah, still ~8 before our raids start, you'll win
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`15:48.49`	`Obelixprime`	`ugh`
`15:48.54`	`Obelixprime`	`we wiped at least 10 times on RoS`
`15:49.11`	`Obelixprime`	`our final attempt we got to about 40% in p3 until a mage though pom/pyro would be a good idea`
`15:49.50`	`deltron`	`we should be starting on that fight shortly`
`15:50.00`	`vithos`	`we just started on that fight`
`15:50.07`	`durcyn`	`aw, it's not that bad.`
`15:50.19`	`Obelixprime`	`no, it's not, its just last night we played like shit`
`15:50.24`	`Obelixprime`	`i personally like that fight`
`15:50.27`	`vithos`	`i think it seems pretty cool`
`15:50.36`	`Obelixprime`	`i'm a spriest btw`
`15:50.37`	`vithos`	`visually at least, it's my favorite`
`15:50.42`	`Obelixprime`	`yeah`
`15:50.59`	`durcyn`	`that and council are probably my two favorite fights - i get to do more than just spam shadowbolt`
`15:51.18`	`Obelixprime`	`we're on the council in progression but I haven't had a chance to do that fight`
`15:51.30`	`Obelixprime`	`we're supposed to do ros, bloodboil, and shaz tonight`
`15:51.37`	`deltron`	`it seems like a terrible fight to heal for though :/`
`15:51.47`	`Obelixprime`	`RoS?`
`15:51.49`	`durcyn`	`deltron: only in p3`
`15:52.00`	`deltron`	`gogo chain heal!`
`15:52.01`	`Obelixprime`	`our guild first kill i was 3rd in healing using VE`
`15:52.18`	`durcyn`	`since you can't heal in p1 and p2 is all about interrupts and reflects`
`15:53.44`	`Obelixprime`	`yeah`
`15:54.04`	`Obelixprime`	`we were having a lot of troubles taking the fixates in p1`
`15:54.13`	`Obelixprime`	`just people were being stupid`
`15:54.48`	`durcyn`	`just rotate rogues through the enrage, bubble them and pop evasion`
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`15:55.41`	`Moozh`	`RoS?`
`15:55.43`	`Obelixprime`	`people wouldn't come in after an enrage though`
`15:55.52`	`Obelixprime`	`so the rogue would take the enrage, and then the next fixate`
`15:56.12`	`Moozh`	`reliquary(?) of souls, gotcha`
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`15:56.23`	`Josh_Borke`	`relinquary of souls`
`15:56.26`	`Josh_Borke`	`took me a while to figure it out`
`15:59.05`	`durcyn`	`reliquary is the correct spelling.`
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`15:59.37`	`dylanm`	`I was going to say that but I figured... this is WoW.`
`16:00.35`	`Obelixprime`	`WoW?`
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`16:00.47`	`dylanm`	`Spelling is optional :p`
`16:01.06`	`dylanm`	`Or at least: you have to look at it that way or you'll go mad.`
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`16:03.47`	`Obelixprime`	`There should be a spellchecker for prat`
`16:04.59`	`Ozguli`	`Obelixprime are you telling me rogues are of some use somewhere?`
`16:09.42`	`Ozguli`	`one dps pet, one pvp pet, one tank pet, one multi-use pet, one cute pet`
`16:10.06`	`harldephin`	`or just a bunch of cute pets`
`16:10.37`	`harldephin`	`at least 5 or 6 would be much more appropriate`
`16:10.42`	`Ozguli`	`if I ever see a hunter with a cute pet... I'll nuke the pet first, just to be mean.`
`16:11.32`	`harldephin`	`like being nasty?`
`16:11.36`	`harldephin`	`or just jealous`
`16:12.19`	`Ozguli`	`nasty, because they'd attempt to kill me anyway`
`16:12.32`	`harldephin`	`why would they`
`16:12.51`	`harldephin`	`looking nasty too?`
`16:12.57`	`Ozguli`	`I play on a pvp server :\`
`16:13.05`	`harldephin`	`oh.`
`16:13.13`	`Ozguli`	`but I have no reason to be jealous, this is my pet: http://koti.mbnet.fi/probli/wow/darter.jpg`
`16:13.19`	`harldephin`	`well, i wouldn't ever play on a pvp server :p`
`16:13.43`	`Ozguli`	`me neither, if I just knew earlier...`
`16:13.57`	`harldephin`	`oO`
`16:16.47`	`harldephin`	`i actually _have_ played on a pvp server for about.. 2 hours? too, before realising that it's a pvp server and then just telling the people who had drawn me to that server that i wouldn't continue to play there, leaving them with the choice to follow me or stay..`
`16:17.25`	`harldephin`	`so i left. and they stayed. however, they weren't of that kind of people i'd be too fond of anyway.`
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`16:17.52`	`Ozguli`	`my IRL friends play on the server I'm on`
`16:18.17`	`harldephin`	`my RL friends play on PvE and RP-PvE servers`
`16:18.38`	`harldephin`	`so that's where i went then :)`
`16:20.12`	`baer_`	`when does the wow client dump the variables to WTF?`
`16:20.28`	`harldephin`	`on /reloadui and logout?`
`16:20.42`	`ulic`	`yes`
`16:20.52`	`ulic`	`or exit, if you consider that different from logout :)`
`16:20.53`	`baer_`	`ok.`
`16:21.04`	`harldephin`	`ulic: i don't. :)`
`16:21.08`	`baer_`	`no, that's nothing different to me, ulic. :)`
`16:22.22`	`ulic`	`I'm pretty sure the crashing doesn't save them, as the proper stuff never gets called to write them out, but that's probably obvious.`
`16:24.03`	`dylanm`	`That's why you reload after changing a bunch of stuff :D`
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`16:25.39`	`CIA-7`	`03pettigrow * r53589 10BigWigs/BlackTemple/ (Gurtogg.lua Illidan.lua): BigWigs: BlackTemple: frFR Update`
`16:26.48`	`Ozguli`	`is there some addon that removes the location from minmap?`
`16:28.13`	`ulic`	`you mean the text and bar at the top?`
`16:28.36`	`Ozguli`	`yes...`
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`16:28.51`	`ulic`	`simpleMiniMap can`
`16:28.57`	`Ozguli`	`hm, really?`
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`16:29.02`	`Ozguli`	`using it atm but didn't find the option`
`16:29.03`	`ulic`	`yes`
`16:29.16`	`Ozguli`	`should check again, thanks`
`16:29.21`	`ulic`	`Show Hide -> Location Bar`
`16:29.33`	`Ozguli`	`kk`
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`16:32.18`	`chexsum`	`even saluted him before the second fear`
`16:32.45`	`Ozguli`	`mm.`
`16:32.55`	`Ozguli`	`doesn't actually matter that much`
`16:33.17`	`Ozguli`	`I mean, fury warriors have higher damage :P`
`16:33.48`	`chexsum`	`he only managed to get 2k dmg in`
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`16:34.12`	`cncfanatics`	`fury warrs have higher dmg then rogues ? :o thats new`
`16:35.23`	`mantrai`	`Anyone know what the error "attempt to call a table value" refers too, its an old mod, and I remember something changing about tables a while back but can't remember what ?`
`16:35.23`	`Ozguli`	`well, true as it is`
`16:35.41`	`Ozguli`	`in raids they just have serious trouble with their aggro so they can't dps as fast as rogues ;)`
`16:35.43`	`chexsum`	`http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostmourne&n=Kurandus <-- the rogue`
`16:36.34`	`cncfanatics`	`mantrai, yes`
`16:36.37`	`Ozguli`	`1542 AP`
`16:36.38`	`chexsum`	`id prefer a real fury warrior on me rather than a ms warr or rogue anyday in pvp`
`16:36.42`	`CIA-7`	`03pettigrow * r53590 10BigWigs/BlackTemple/Council.lua: BigWigs: Concil: typos`
`16:36.43`	`Ozguli`	`some warrior could have 3k peaks`
`16:36.43`	`cncfanatics`	`the mod is doing for Value, Value in table do`
`16:36.51`	`cncfanatics`	`instead of for Value, Value in pairs(table) do`
`16:36.59`	`cncfanatics`	`what line is the error, mantrai?`
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`16:37.24`	`chexsum`	`lol @ that ap my rogue that has 2 epix has more`
`16:37.35`	`chexsum`	`omfg @ his hit also`
`16:37.44`	`chexsum`	`waste of good weapons`
`16:37.44`	`mantrai`	`its part of a do list, so that would be about right`
`16:39.11`	`chexsum`	`oh pvp gear - waste of good weapons and gear then :x`
`16:39.43`	`Mudkips`	`I wish my ZA weapon was better than the season 3 staff`
`16:39.53`	`chexsum`	`its a sad day when a priest walks away from that duel with 8k health`
`16:40.00`	`Mudkips`	`otherwise I wouldn't have to earn points in arena`
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`16:41.17`	`chexsum`	`ive got max resiience atm but need s3 for the tam`
`16:41.28`	`chexsum`	`stam`
`16:42.43`	`chexsum`	`im almost unkillable and still wear honor gear so would dominate the game if i done arena lol`
`16:45.41`	`Pkekyo`	`what's the command for leaving an arena team?`
`16:46.10`	`ulic`	`I think /leavequit #v#`
`16:46.16`	`ulic`	`er teamquit`
`16:47.13`	`chexsum`	`yeah teamquit`
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`16:49.51`	`Pkekyo`	`thanks`
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`16:53.38`	`ulic`	`it would be faster to do a find on string = "One;Two;Three" then a find on table = {"One", "Two", "Three"} right?`
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`17:06.32`	`dylanm`	`ulic: I don't know about the difference between those two, but if the table were {One=true, Two=true, Three=true} and you just did a hash lookup...`
`17:07.04`	`dylanm`	`Although that's ugly and I probably wouldn't do it.`
`17:07.50`	`ulic`	`basically I have a bunch of strings, and I just want to check to see if the string exists, I'd think just storing them in one big string would be more efficient then one big table.`
`17:08.26`	`dylanm`	`Oh. I thought you were concerned with lookup speed.`
`17:08.58`	`ulic`	`well effiency, cpu, ram, all that jazz`
`17:09.07`	`Mudkips`	`JAZZ`
`17:09.24`	`dylanm`	`Depends on what you're doing... I always do whatever makes the code easiest to read and then profile profile.`
`17:09.29`	`ulic`	`I just want to check to see if "One" exists in either the table or string which ever route I went`
`17:10.32`	`ulic`	`basically want to do something like ("One;Two;Three"):find("`
`17:10.35`	`ulic`	`whoops`
`17:10.37`	`dylanm`	`Well right.`
`17:10.39`	`ulic`	`basically want to do something like ("One;Two;Three"):find("One")`
`17:10.54`	`ulic`	`obviously a table would be searched differently`
`17:11.49`	`dylanm`	`The example I gave would just require t.One as a boolean check... and in most languages I know of hash lookups are optimized as much as possible.`
`17:12.09`	`dylanm`	`I dunno. Unless you're really deep into development and have nothing else to work on just do whatever looks best.`
`17:12.29`	`dylanm`	`Who cares unless you're rewriting Recount?`
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`17:12.36`	`ulic`	`hehe, nope`
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`17:13.13`	`Ozguli`	`erm`
`17:13.29`	`Ozguli`	`I forgot the addons name and can't lock bars`
`17:13.41`	`ulic`	`I'm sticking with Assessment, it works well enough for me, even if there aren't pretty graphs`
`17:13.53`	`Chompers`	`but Recount have graphs`
`17:13.56`	`Chompers`	`graphs are awesome`
`17:14.03`	`dylanm`	`Yeah Assessment is cool beyond me having to look at the source to figure out the tags.`
`17:14.12`	`ulic`	`assessment has bar graphs (basically) :)`
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`17:15.20`	`Mudkips`	`graffs!`
`17:16.15`	`Silviu-`	`[Ammo] , vhaarr http://ace.pastey.net/76183`
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`17:47.59`	`CIA-7`	`Babble-2.2:`
`17:47.59`	`CIA-7`	`- deDE cooking recipes added`
`17:53.04`	`Obelixprime`	`oooh cooking`
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`18:01.40`	`Pkekyo`	`how's leveling as an elemental shammy?`
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`18:06.04`	`dylanm`	`I hope you like drinking!`
`18:06.15`	`Shinja`	`* hips *`
`18:06.24`	`NightHawkAtWork`	`oh, I do! Oh, wait, you meant water..`
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`18:10.09`	`CIA-7`	`03bashui * r53593 10CatPoints/ (CatDPS.lua Toskk.js.txt):`
`18:10.09`	`CIA-7`	`CatPoints:`
`18:10.09`	`CIA-7`	`- Updated to 2.1.2 model`
`18:10.23`	`Pkekyo`	`dylanm: is that a "don't do it"?`
`18:10.35`	`dylanm`	`Pkekyo: Naw.`
`18:11.15`	`Pkekyo`	`only "don't do it if you like your sanity"?`
`18:12.00`	`dylanm`	`I'm not one of those people that says "omg don't level holy dumbbbb"... we aren't robots.`
`18:13.15`	`dylanm`	`Enhancement was a lot easier though.`
`18:14.32`	`xerawx`	`being mana dependent is always harder levelling`
`18:15.44`	`CIA-7`	`03bashui * r53594 10CatPoints/Toskk.js.txt:`
`18:15.44`	`CIA-7`	`CatPoints:`
`18:15.44`	`CIA-7`	`- One more change for 2.1.2`
`18:15.59`	`Pkekyo`	`guess I'll just stay enhancement then...it's not like I ever play my shammy anyways`
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`18:17.48`	`Moozh`	`enhancement is easy`
`18:18.01`	`dylanm`	`Try elemental!`
`18:18.07`	`dylanm`	`Wait what level is your sham?`
`18:18.14`	`Moozh`	`elemental is not so easy, since you have no anti-spell-pushback talents or abilities, and no method of keeping mobs away from you aside from kiting with frostshock and using earthbind totem`
`18:18.34`	`NightHawkAtWork`	`elemental might be better post 2.3 when some itemization improves to add spelldamage and/or spellcrit`
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`18:18.52`	`NightHawkAtWork`	`but yeah, the lack of pushback makes grinding before a certain gear level a little painful`
`18:19.04`	`Pkekyo`	`dylanm: 28`
`18:19.17`	`Pkekyo`	`I've leveled him to 32 TWICE, but blizzard keep doing fucking rollbacks on him`
`18:19.24`	`dylanm`	`Rollbacks???`
`18:19.45`	`NightHawkAtWork`	`o_0 rollbacks?`
`18:19.48`	`NightHawkAtWork`	`of 4 levels?`
`18:19.57`	`Pkekyo`	`one night I got rollbacked TEN TIMES when farming herbs in (whatever the zone south of UC is named)`
`18:19.58`	`Pkekyo`	`yeah`
`18:19.59`	`Pkekyo`	`twice`
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`18:20.09`	`dylanm`	`I didn't even know that happened.`
`18:20.22`	`NightHawkAtWork`	`i can see getting rolled back a level, maybe two if you're fast that level, but -4- levels?`
`18:20.22`	`Moozh`	`under undercity is silverpine`
`18:20.34`	`ulic`	`I know rollbacks can occur, but I haven't seen one of the size, wowzers`
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`18:20.53`	`Pkekyo`	`I kept getting zoned back to the top of the zone (from the bottom), losing all xp gained during that time, though not the herbs I'd collected O.o`
`18:21.42`	`Moozh`	`maybe a gnomish gm playing with an experimental time machine?`
`18:21.47`	`NightHawkAtWork`	`sounds like someone at blizzard has a personal vendetta against you. :p`
`18:22.01`	`Pkekyo`	`yeah, I know`
`18:22.13`	`Pkekyo`	`contacted GMs, all they did was say they would 'look into the matter'`
`18:22.21`	`Pkekyo`	`nothing ever happened`
`18:22.36`	`NivFreak`	`tried to run ZA gain last night`
`18:22.44`	`NivFreak`	`freaking server crashed 20 mins in AGAIN`
`18:25.13`	`Moozh`	`so i'm pretty new to this channel, and i'm not sure how this whole process works. i'm wondering if this is the correct place to find mod authors and/or submit change requests to mods`
`18:25.25`	`Pkekyo`	`basicly, I stopped playing my shammy because of all the fucking rollbacks`
`18:25.33`	`Pkekyo`	`Moozh: depends on if the authors hang around here`
`18:25.35`	`dylanm`	`If they use issue tracking that's probably the best way...`
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`18:25.46`	`Josh_Borke`	`gd pidgin bug`
`18:25.57`	`Josh_Borke`	`Moozh: fele free to just ask though if the author of the mod isn't around the forums are best`
`18:26.28`	`Moozh`	`ok, the mod in question is PerfectRaid`
`18:26.37`	`Josh_Borke`	`it's not ace anymore`
`18:26.38`	`cladhaire`	`perfectrais sucks`
`18:26.45`	`Josh_Borke`	`best place is to check wowi for more information`
`18:26.49`	`Moozh`	`bah. i just started to like it too`
`18:26.52`	`Josh_Borke`	`cladhaire: qft`
`18:26.54`	`cladhaire`	`Moozh: or you can ask me`
`18:26.58`	`cladhaire`	`Moozh: considering i'm the author :P`
`18:26.59`	`Josh_Borke`	`ps, cladhaire is the author ;-)`
`18:27.05`	`Moozh`	`oh, hiya`
`18:27.10`	`CIA-7`	`03jncl * r53595 10Skinner/ (6 files in 2 dirs):`
`18:27.10`	`CIA-7`	`Skinner: Skinned ReadySpells`
`18:27.10`	`CIA-7`	`- Updated Ash_DoTimer & CT_RaidAssist skins`
`18:27.13`	`MoonWolf`	`i know he knew that.`
`18:27.47`	`Moozh`	`i was wondering if any builds have, or can have, frame highlighting for players that are my target`
`18:28.03`	`cladhaire`	`not at the moment, no.`
`18:28.15`	`Moozh`	`for example, i click someone on perfectraid, and the frame stays highlighted even when i move the cursor away`
`18:28.40`	`cladhaire`	`nope, not currently`
`18:28.49`	`Moozh`	`okay`
`18:28.55`	`dylanm`	`cladhaire: I've noticed that sometimes the background highlight that it does for magic and poison debuffs sometimes don't disappear after I've dispeled them... is this an in-combat thing?`
`18:29.01`	`cladhaire`	`no`
`18:29.02`	`Josh_Borke`	`you should submit a googlecode request (or would clad prefer it somewhere else)?`
`18:29.10`	`cladhaire`	`its a bug in the code that re-shows the debuff when you're mosing over them`
`18:29.22`	`dylanm`	`cladhaire: Ah. I'm always mousing over people :(`
`18:29.29`	`cladhaire`	`Josh_Borke: it'll just get ignored right now, sadly`
`18:29.31`	`cladhaire`	`dylanm: same here, that's why its a silly bug :P`
`18:29.39`	`dylanm`	`Cos I use Clique, obviously.`
`18:29.44`	`Josh_Borke`	`cladhaire: but at least you won't forget`
`18:29.56`	`cladhaire`	`Moozh: I'll keep that in mind next time I have a chance to work on it`
`18:29.58`	`MoonWolf`	`no updates to PR anytime soon then ? :(`
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`18:30.14`	`cladhaire`	`the book + school have highest priority right now.`
`18:30.22`	`darchon`	`Archimonde 13%... T_T`
`18:30.25`	`Josh_Borke`	`how is the book going?`
`18:30.39`	`MoonWolf`	`i hope it doesn't break anytime soon then`
`18:30.46`	`Moozh`	`cladhaire: awesome, thanks :)`
`18:30.46`	`cladhaire`	`MoonWolf: i'll _fix_ things`
`18:30.46`	`MoonWolf`	`can't be helped i guess`
`18:30.59`	`cladhaire`	`normally the same day, or as soon as they're reported.`
`18:32.02`	`MoonWolf`	`many thanks, as alway's.`
`18:33.14`	`cladhaire`	`<3`
`18:33.55`	`MoonWolf`	`besides, as long as you aren't looking for something complex, perfectraid is absolutetly perfect...`
`18:33.57`	`MoonWolf`	`oh the puns.`
`18:34.05`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`18:34.22`	`cladhaire`	`perfectraid is a proof of concept addon that took off without me knowing about it =/`
`18:34.44`	`MoonWolf`	`you had that excuse before you rewrote it twice.`
`18:34.46`	`MoonWolf`	`not anymore`
`18:34.49`	`Moozh`	`grid's too crazy complext to figure out, perfectraid shows bars and deficits and debuff highlights, and it has an earthshield tracker`
`18:34.51`	`Moozh`	`so its winsome`
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`18:35.19`	`Moozh`	`complex even`
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`18:38.23`	`futurekill`	`anyone else getting errors with Cartographer related to LibRockLocale?`
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`18:48.03`	`miica`	`any addon that would so imp SB buff info? :D`
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`18:48.32`	`miica`	`like..`
`18:48.46`	`miica`	`how many % of time it has been up`
`18:49.10`	`Mudkips`	`any class timer addons should be able to do that`
`18:49.16`	`Mudkips`	`as long as you're the one who applied it`
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`18:49.55`	`miica`	`classtimer shows when it is up`
`18:50.03`	`miica`	`i mean..`
`18:50.33`	`Mudkips`	`you mean the percentage the buff was on the boss for the duration of the fight?`
`18:50.38`	`miica`	`or it shows when your imp SB buff is up`
`18:50.48`	`miica`	`yeah`
`18:50.53`	`Mudkips`	`hmm`
`18:50.58`	`Mudkips`	`recount might be able to do that`
`18:50.59`	`miica`	`it would be nice info for shadow destro locks`
`18:51.13`	`Ellipsis`	`maybe procwatch or something designed to do tracking of procs like that`
`18:51.20`	`CIA-7`	`03kemayo 07dev * r53596 10BankStack/ (BankStack.toc config.lua core.lua fu.lua sort.lua stack.lua):`
`18:51.20`	`CIA-7`	`BankStack: Drycode`
`18:51.20`	`CIA-7`	`-Split into multiple files for improved readability`
`18:52.23`	`MoonWolf`	`Kemayo_, whats a bankstack ?`
`18:53.17`	`buu`	`miica: If you just want to know when it is up, a dotimer will do it..`
`18:53.35`	`Ellipsis`	`buu, clearly you are not paying attention :P`
`18:53.53`	`buu`	`As for knowing how long it was up in total, you'd just have to count the number of crits and then count times until they were eaten or wore off naturally..`
`18:53.56`	`CIA-7`	`03kemayo 07dev * r53597 10BankStack/sort.lua:`
`18:53.57`	`CIA-7`	`BankStack: Drycode`
`18:53.57`	`CIA-7`	`-Have .Sort check for and ignore specialty bags (profession bags, quivers) for now`
`18:54.24`	`futurekill`	`I know I just asked this but my IRC client was acting strangely and I couldn't see anything anyone was typing...so, here goes again: every time I log in after the last Cartographer update, I get 16 errors all starting with "Bad argument #2 to 'AddTranslations'. "enUS" registered twice. LibRockLocale-1.0...I've deleted all my cartographer saved variables on the off chance that they were messing it up but still no dice...any ideas?`
`18:54.27`	`Kemayo_`	`MoonWolf: It's an addon that moves things around in your bags and bank.`
`18:54.42`	`MoonWolf`	`new mrplow ?`
`18:54.43`	`buu`	`Speaking of speciality bags, is there anyway to make arkinventory ignore a bag?`
`18:54.50`	`Ellipsis`	`futurekill: you have duplicate modules`
`18:54.50`	`Kemayo_`	`MoonWolf: Pretty much.`
`18:54.54`	`MoonWolf`	`cool`
`18:55.24`	`Ellipsis`	`futurekill: likely you have extracted modules from using an updater as well as internal modules from installing zips by hand, delete one of the sets of modules and you will be fine`
`18:55.41`	`Kemayo_`	`MoonWolf: I finally got sick of MrPlow's bankstacking not working, you see.`
`18:55.51`	`MoonWolf`	`you and eeuh, everyone.`
`18:55.58`	`futurekill`	`lol, I thought I had checked that yesterday but I guess I didn't...looks like cartographer didn't get unpacked properly the last time I downloaded it...`
`18:57.39`	`Kemayo_`	`MoonWolf: Currently there's a version of BankStack in trunk that works peachily, and a version in branches that's blisteringly faster and also sorts bags. The problem with the branch is that the sorting still has bugs. ;_;`
`18:57.55`	`MoonWolf`	`i'm sure you will fix it`
`18:58.05`	`MoonWolf`	`does it interact with guild banks ?`
`18:58.17`	`tinyboom`	`futurekill: do a search for libs in the interface folder and you can pinpoint which addon it is:)`
`18:58.27`	`Kemayo_`	`MoonWolf: Not yet. I haven't had a chance to get on the PTR and play with one.`
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`18:58.43`	`futurekill`	`I use the wowacepy updater script exclusively, for some reason it unpacked the filelist.wau but never deleted the modules from inside the cartographer directory`
`19:01.18`	`tinyboom`	`futurekill: there you go, problem solved, now you have a new one to ponder on :p`
`19:01.47`	`Kemayo_`	`futurekill: Do any of the modules contain a .svn or .ignore file/folter?`
`19:01.51`	`Kemayo_`	`folder, too.`
`19:02.04`	`futurekill`	`lemme check`
`19:03.21`	`futurekill`	`nope, none do`
`19:05.10`	`futurekill`	`oh, wait, Kemayo, aren't you the developer of the python script?`
`19:05.15`	`Kemayo_`	`futurekill: Indeed. :)`
`19:05.55`	`Xelopheris`	`hrm, when did I disco today O_o`
`19:05.56`	`Pkekyo`	`is there a /script command I can type to release spirit? mouse ran out of batteries :<`
`19:06.21`	`futurekill`	`ah, good, I have a question for you then....ever time I run the script and there is an update to periodic table I get the update but I also get a whole slew of errors and the script pukes...I have to run it again to get the remaining updates`
`19:06.43`	`Xelopheris`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:06.47`	`Xelopheris`	`Pkekyo`
`19:06.48`	`Kemayo_`	`futurekill: I've heard people saying that, and I don't know why it happens. I can't replicate it.`
`19:07.40`	`futurekill`	`ic...it's not a big deal, it still updates everything I just have to run it twice is all...btw, other than that one bug it's great`
`19:07.43`	`Kemayo_`	`futurekill: However, that's probably why Cartographer didn't get unpacked. If the script died before it had finished getting cartographer's embeds then it wouldn't have unpacked the modules.`
`19:07.52`	`Kemayo_`	`futurekill: Let me see if I can track down the problem...`
`19:08.27`	`futurekill`	`you may be right there, I believe there was a periodic table update the same time I was updating cartographer`
`19:09.15`	`Pkekyo`	`Xelopheris: /script PepopMe() does not work as intended`
`19:09.19`	`futurekill`	`Kemayo_: I have the errors if you'd like to take a look at the output`
`19:11.12`	`Cadwallion`	`Pkekyo: you mean /script RepopMe() right?`
`19:11.38`	`Kemayo_`	`futurekill: It's the UnicodeDecodeError that got posted to the forum thread, right?`
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`19:11.50`	`futurekill`	`yeah`
`19:13.05`	`Paradox`	`anyone know if theres an alternative to cartographers Foglight?`
`19:14.20`	`Pkekyo`	`lol`
`19:14.35`	`miica`	`buu: i dont not like that :D`
`19:14.35`	`Pkekyo`	`it worked with the R at the start :>`
`19:14.53`	`miica`	`buu: "the percentage the buff was on the boss for the duration of the fight"`
`19:15.20`	`miica`	`then there would be nice to have some athor inffo also like how many of those buff system you got`
`19:15.34`	`miica`	`or how many of your SB got it`
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`19:15.58`	`miica`	`and how many imp SB you did and how about athor locks`
`19:16.35`	`miica`	`and ofc some SB crit / hit info`
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`19:18.32`	`miica`	`it is only about SB casts like how many / how many did crit / hit or how many SB did athor locks cast / crit or hit`
`19:18.39`	`buu`	`miica: Sounds like something easily retrievable from the combat log.`
`19:18.49`	`miica`	`but then comes problem`
`19:18.58`	`miica`	`how you look how many SB did get buff?`
`19:19.11`	`Paradox`	`pitbull is so buggy =(`
`19:19.15`	`buu`	`You'd have to read the next 4 shadow spells AFTER a crit and BEFORE 12 seconds.`
`19:19.25`	`miica`	`yeah`
`19:19.32`	`miica`	`sound like easy :D`
`19:19.33`	`buu`	`Well, the crit might be one also of course.`
`19:19.38`	`miica`	`2 bad i dont know how to do addons :D`
`19:19.49`	`buu`	`I wouldn't do it as an addon..`
`19:20.05`	`miica`	`how then O,o`
`19:20.16`	`buu`	`Just read a combatlog..`
`19:20.16`	`buu`	`Anyway.`
`19:20.20`	`miica`	`:D`
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`19:20.31`	`miica`	`php system hmm.. :D`
`19:20.42`	`buu`	`Ech.`
`19:20.44`	`buu`	`If you like pain.`
`19:20.50`	`miica`	`:D`
`19:21.08`	`miica`	`i think addon would be best :/`
`19:21.13`	`miica`	`some real time info`
`19:24.22`	`Ellipsis`	`miica: real time info is the debuff timeer on the mob you're critting :P`
`19:24.25`	`Ellipsis`	`timer*`
`19:24.57`	`miica`	`not like that..`
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`19:25.23`	`miica`	`but you could look info after boss or something`
`19:25.31`	`Ellipsis`	`yes, that is what the combat log is for`
`19:25.32`	`Ellipsis`	`:P`
`19:25.49`	`miica`	`eeh.. :/`
`19:26.05`	`Ellipsis`	`if you use something like eavesdrop or a heavily customized combat log, it should be easy to tell when the proc was up`
`19:26.18`	`miica`	`yeah but it dont tell like % :D`
`19:27.22`	`miica`	`takes years look from combat log`
`19:29.03`	`Keias`	`is there an addon that will allow you to make longer macros?`
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`19:35.25`	`NeoTron`	`it feels nice to single-night clear SSC despite a wipe on morogrim (MT died from some burst dmg) and fathom-lord (2xwindfury in a row => 6 hits in less than 2 secs)`
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`19:35.55`	`Josh_Borke`	`how long should it take to kill trash up to VR?`
`19:37.04`	`Josh_Borke`	Funkeh`: flash? like Banzai flash?
`19:37.15`	Funkeh`	`a bit`
`19:38.47`	`Chompers`	`45 minutes Josh_Borke`
`19:38.47`	`Obelixprime`	`maybe 40 minutes?`
`19:38.49`	`Obelixprime`	`yeah`
`19:39.26`	`Josh_Borke`	`ok, thanks`
`19:39.26`	`Josh_Borke`	`just curious`
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`19:42.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`takes us longer :<`
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`19:43.05`	`Josh_Borke`	`Gnarfoz: it takes us 90 minutes`
`19:43.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`heh`
`19:43.17`	`Josh_Borke`	`such that we get one attempt, maybe 2 and then we have to summon people`
`19:43.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`ok, guess there's always room for improvement :>`
`19:43.34`	`Josh_Borke`	`so don't feel too bad`
`19:44.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`rezzing & buffing up after a wipe takes us ages, each time`
`19:47.01`	`NeoTron`	`so we had the funniest most exciting hydross kill in a long time last night`
`19:47.18`	`NeoTron`	`someone pulled aggro in the last "burndown" phase (we banish elementals and just burn him down)`
`19:47.28`	`NeoTron`	`this continued happening like 3 times or so`
`19:47.36`	`NeoTron`	`so we had some 16 eleemntal adds running around`
`19:47.48`	`NeoTron`	`managed a kill due to plenty of fears`
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`19:52.45`	`ulic`	`might want to turn that off in here before someone flames you :)`
`19:55.10`	`miica`	`so noboy wasnt intrested about my SB addon idea? :'(`
`19:55.26`	`Ellipsis`	`miica: you can try posting it in the ideas section on the forums`
`19:55.36`	`Ellipsis`	`but it doesn't sound like most people see much need for it`
`19:55.47`	`Ellipsis`	`so if you really want it done, maybe you should try making one yourself :)`
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`19:57.20`	`Mudkips`	`lol`
`19:57.30`	`Mudkips`	`still on that imp SB are we?`
`19:57.30`	`miica`	`Ellipsis: yeah it is kinda only "shadow destro warlocks" :D`
`19:57.54`	`Mudkips`	`shadow?`
`19:58.00`	`miica`	`but anyway it should be vey common end game raiding spec for warlocks`
`19:58.01`	`Moozh`	`as opposed to fire destro locks`
`19:58.04`	`Mudkips`	`lol`
`19:58.08`	`Moozh`	`who would use incinerate rather than shadowbolt`
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`19:58.33`	`miica`	`it go +10% ;P`
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`19:59.45`	`miica`	`fire lock got +15, +10 and CoE +10 but shadow lock gets +15, +20, CoS +10`
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`20:02.26`	`Xelopheris`	`miica: as 0/21/40, a fire lock will do more damage until they have about 400 spell damage.`
`20:02.30`	`Xelopheris`	`After that point, shadow wins`
`20:05.32`	`Gnarfoz`	`argh autobar keeps breaking ^^`
`20:06.00`	`miica`	`Xelopheris: yeah i told Shadow is better? :P`
`20:06.22`	`Xelopheris`	`you used the wrong multipliers`
`20:06.27`	`miica`	`but it needs also that imp SB buff is up`
`20:06.43`	`Xelopheris`	`0/21/40 fire has +25% fire damage, and +20% incinerate +dmg, and +10% from coe`
`20:06.53`	`Mudkips`	`MATHS @_@`
`20:07.12`	`Xelopheris`	`0/21/40 shadow has +15% shadow damage, +20% shadow damage, +10% from CoS, and occasionally to almost permanantly at late t6, 20% improved shadowbolt`
`20:07.48`	`Moozh`	`where's the 20% shadow damage coming from?`
`20:07.49`	`miica`	`yeah`
`20:07.56`	`miica`	`imp SB buff`
`20:07.59`	`Moozh`	`oh right`
`20:08.00`	`Moozh`	`dur`
`20:08.22`	`miica`	`and my addon idea was that addon would count some imp sb buff info`
`20:08.25`	`Moozh`	`that's bonus from spelldamage though, not necessarily flat damage`
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`20:09.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`god praise backups`
`20:09.09`	`Mudkips`	`just consider flat damage and max damage with all possible buffs`
`20:09.12`	`Mudkips`	`then average the two?`
`20:09.58`	`miica`	`anyway shadow got that +10% it pew pew but it also need good crit %`
`20:10.08`	`miica`	`in theory 25% :)`
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`20:10.57`	`Ozguli`	`shadow has the +crit for like... 2 abilities?`
`20:11.16`	`Ozguli`	`mind blast and SW:death`
`20:11.22`	`Ozguli`	`are there even any others`
`20:11.32`	`Mudkips`	`thats for shadow priests`
`20:12.06`	`miica`	`lock got SB :)`
`20:12.26`	`miica`	`shadow destro is game style is like "sb, sb, sb"`
`20:12.42`	`Moozh`	`bah`
`20:12.43`	`Moozh`	`that's boring`
`20:14.04`	`Mudkips`	`DPS jobs were always boring`
`20:15.18`	`Moozh`	`i'm specced into nightfall and shadowbolt`
`20:15.34`	`miica`	`lol`
`20:17.27`	`CIA-7`	`03auditjj * r53599 10FreeRefills/FreeRefills.toc:`
`20:17.27`	`CIA-7`	`FreeRefills:`
`20:17.27`	`CIA-7`	`- TOC 20200`
`20:23.40`	`xerawx`	`i quit playing my priest cause shadow is so boring`
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`20:23.58`	`xerawx`	`i'm gonna start playing him as holy/disc when 2.3 goes live tho`
`20:24.05`	`xyu`	`as is every other priest`
`20:24.11`	`xerawx`	`yeah pretty much`
`20:24.12`	`xyu`	`i'm already starting to see a ton of them`
`20:24.17`	`xyu`	`i just did heroic ramps w/ 1`
`20:24.19`	`xerawx`	`well a lot of them actually like shadow`
`20:24.20`	`xyu`	`not 2 minutes ago`
`20:24.30`	`xerawx`	`but now shadow sucks in pvp so a lot will switch because of arena too`
`20:24.45`	`xerawx`	`shadow is only good for 1 thing now`
`20:24.54`	`xerawx`	`well, again`
`20:25.01`	`xerawx`	`its just switched around`
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`20:27.57`	`Eggi`	`shadows are, compared to other dps classes, very interesting to play because of the cooldowns on the 2 main dmg abilities`
`20:28.13`	`Josh_Borke`	`why are priests going holy/disc now?`
`20:28.41`	`Mudkips`	`priests were always holy disc ..`
`20:28.53`	`Josh_Borke`	`disc/holy`
`20:28.55`	`Moozh`	`:\|`
`20:28.56`	`Moozh`	`holy.`
`20:28.59`	`Moozh`	`61 points in holy.`
`20:29.02`	`Mudkips`	`targetable pain supression?`
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`20:29.12`	`Josh_Borke`	`is pain suppression really worth it?`
`20:29.14`	`xerawx`	`i haven't tested that yet but it doesn't seem worth it`
`20:29.26`	`xerawx`	`i'm going to spec into it on ptr now i think`
`20:29.30`	`Moozh`	`its a nice buffer for your tank if they have plenty of aggro`
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`20:29.40`	`Ellipsis`	`lol?`
`20:29.44`	`Mudkips`	`lol.`
`20:29.46`	`Ellipsis`	`what tank ever has "plenty" of aggro`
`20:29.50`	`Josh_Borke`	`why switch from shadow though? for anything other than PvP?`
`20:29.50`	`xerawx`	`it's raid toy imo`
`20:29.51`	`Mudkips`	`druids`
`20:29.59`	`Mudkips`	`suck it Ellipsis`
`20:30.01`	`xerawx`	`only good for saving a trigger happy mage`
`20:30.04`	`Josh_Borke`	`<3 receiving pain suppression as a shadow priest`
`20:30.05`	`Mudkips`	`but you're a warlock`
`20:30.06`	`Ellipsis`	`I out-aggro the best feral druids I've played with :P`
`20:30.11`	`Mudkips`	`no tank has ever enough aggro for warlocks`
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`20:30.14`	`Mudkips`	`with your 8k shadowbolts`
`20:30.31`	`Josh_Borke`	`i wish i could get an 8k MB`
`20:30.32`	`Ellipsis`	`yeah, my SBs crit for 10k and my dots tick for 1k each`
`20:30.33`	`Mudkips`	`you should server transfer on my realm`
`20:30.34`	`Moozh`	`i don't raid 25 man. guild's not big enough yet`
`20:30.38`	`Mudkips`	`we'll do heroic SV together`
`20:30.41`	`Ellipsis`	`while my felguard beats on things`
`20:31.00`	`Josh_Borke`	`Ellipsis: yea, uh huh, SS or it didn't happen :-P`
`20:31.02`	`Ellipsis`	`and then I spam shadowfury to do uber AE damage + stuns`
`20:31.07`	`Ellipsis`	`while casting UA on everything`
`20:31.26`	`Mudkips`	`whats with the sarcasm`
`20:31.39`	`Ellipsis`	`sick of being called OP just because other people suck`
`20:31.45`	`Mudkips`	`just saying`
`20:31.54`	`Mudkips`	`even epic geared tanks lose aggro`
`20:32.11`	`Ellipsis`	`no epic geared tank should be losing aggro to a lock who's not even kara geared :\|`
`20:32.32`	`Diao`	`does "not kara geared" include FSW?`
`20:32.32`	`Mudkips`	`okay you're not kara geared...`
`20:32.32`	`Moozh`	`epic geared tanks lose aggro to epic geared dps that knows what its doing`
`20:32.37`	`Diao`	`cause that stuff > kara gear :(`
`20:32.50`	`Josh_Borke`	`Moozh: if they are loosing aggro to DPS then the DPS doesn't know what they are doing`
`20:32.58`	`Moozh`	`or the dps doesn't care`
`20:33.04`	`Mudkips`	`true that`
`20:33.10`	`Moozh`	`our shadowpriest pulls aggro regularly because he finds it fun`
`20:33.19`	`Mudkips`	`Ellipsis must have some really shitty tanks on that realm`
`20:33.22`	`xyu`	`Which is better for a pally tank?? (i'm max def already w/ shatari) http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31460 http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29238`
`20:33.22`	`Josh_Borke`	`then let your shadow priest die everytime imo`
`20:33.31`	`Ellipsis`	`I pull aggro off our guild's raid tanks :(`
`20:33.34`	`Moozh`	`oh we do, there's not much we can do to stop that`
`20:33.39`	`Ellipsis`	`in 5mans/heroics that is`
`20:33.43`	`Mudkips`	`thats easy`
`20:33.46`	`Ellipsis`	`I'm not dumb enough to go all out on raid bosses`
`20:33.52`	`Mudkips`	`are you proud about it or something?`
`20:34.02`	`Josh_Borke`	`Ellipsis: it's easier to pull aggro off of tanks in 5man/heroics, especially as the tanks get better geared`
`20:34.06`	`Mudkips`	`so many aggro variables`
`20:34.08`	`Ellipsis`	`no, I'm tired of tanks that fail`
`20:34.11`	`Diao`	`xyu: are you at the 102.4% avoidance?`
`20:34.13`	`Moozh`	`tanks don't generate enough threat in 5 mans/heroics because they're rage-starved all the time`
`20:34.21`	`Josh_Borke`	`exactly`
`20:34.24`	`Ellipsis`	`nothing's stopping them from taking off armor`
`20:34.31`	`Moozh`	`avoidance and defense`
`20:34.34`	`Josh_Borke`	`Ellipsis: that thought never crosses their mind`
`20:34.34`	`Mudkips`	`sure blame the tank`
`20:34.42`	`Diao`	`i tank all heroics in dps gear`
`20:34.44`	`xyu`	`Diao, i have 13.64 dodge, 17.25 parry, 17.32 block (unbuffed)`
`20:34.45`	`Diao`	`except for bosses`
`20:34.52`	`Diao`	`..whoa`
`20:34.55`	`Diao`	`your dodge is reaaaaaaally low`
`20:35.02`	`xyu`	`yeah :/`
`20:35.04`	`Mudkips`	`then your healer QQ's cos they're always drinking after every pull lol`
`20:35.09`	`Diao`	`get sha'tari vindicator`
`20:35.18`	`Diao`	`the extra block % from block rating will help you omre`
`20:35.20`	`miica`	`:'(`
`20:35.20`	`Diao`	`more*`
`20:35.21`	`Ellipsis`	`!c US Cenarius Ellipsis`
`20:35.22`	`xyu`	`i have it, but that doesn't have dodge lol`
`20:35.23`	`ThraeBot`	`Ellipsis: Ellipsis, Level 70 Human Warlock (43/0/18). 8750 HP; 7855 Mana; 116 mana regen; 53 spell crit; 151 spell hit; 807 +spell dmg; 179 frost dmg (986); 179 shadow dmg (986); 4.36% dodge;[[ TBR: 1245 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2folt3 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2s456h ][ Updated: Wed Oct 31 12:39:22 2007 EST ]]`
`20:35.31`	`Diao`	`i know`
`20:35.37`	`xyu`	`!c Ixyul`
`20:35.38`	`Diao`	`but you're nowhere near the avoidance cap`
`20:35.56`	`Diao`	`my healers don't qq`
`20:35.56`	`xyu`	`!c US sargeras Ixyul`
`20:35.58`	`ThraeBot`	`xyu: Ixyul, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (0/49/12). 12447 HP; 5118 Mana; 146 mana regen; 56 mp5; 14186 Armour; 744 AP; 99.200 Melee DPS; 5.49% melee crit; 14 spell hit; 214 +spell dmg/heal; 331 defense; 14.36% dodge; 17.32% block; +33 all resists (+5 all);[[ TBR: 857 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/24q58k ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3x2sdj ][ Updated: Wed Oct 31 12:39:57 2007 EST ]]`
`20:35.59`	`Moozh`	`the hell is that? a bot for character profiles?`
`20:36.01`	`Diao`	`they've got enough +healing/mana regen`
`20:36.07`	`Diao`	`that they never drink`
`20:36.09`	`xyu`	`hm`
`20:36.09`	`Diao`	`lol`
`20:36.12`	`xyu`	`that's not the right one :P`
`20:36.29`	`Ellipsis`	`tbh the only tank that can keep things off me is a prot pally`
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`20:37.14`	`xyu`	`could you check my armory, what could i get more dodge from . http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=sargeras&n=Ixyul`
`20:37.17`	`Ellipsis`	`I don't mean prot pallies in general, I mean one prot pally is the only person whom I've not been able to pull aggro from consistently`
`20:37.44`	`Eggi`	`maybe your tanks are not prot speced?`
`20:37.45`	`Diao`	`hmm`
`20:38.03`	`Ellipsis`	`Eggi: ...`
`20:38.14`	`Moozh`	`xyu: ditch the abacus`
`20:38.19`	`xyu`	`yeah ^^`
`20:38.22`	`Ellipsis`	`pretty sure they'd get gkicked for lying about their spec`
`20:38.26`	`xyu`	`i just haven't gotten the Shattered halls one yet`
`20:38.31`	`Moozh`	`get Dabriy's enigma (not the correct spelling)`
`20:38.39`	`Eggi`	`how do you check that?`
`20:38.43`	`Diao`	`!item dabyri's enigma`
`20:38.44`	`ThraeBot`	`Diao: that is not the item you're looking for!`
`20:38.48`	`Mudkips`	`PATCH 2.3 SUCKERS`
`20:38.49`	`Ellipsis`	`Eggi: armory maybe?`
`20:38.51`	`Mudkips`	`you can check spec`
`20:38.51`	`Diao`	`er`
`20:38.52`	`Mudkips`	`hahahaha`
`20:38.55`	`Diao`	`!item dabiri's enigma`
`20:38.56`	`ThraeBot`	`Diao: Name: Dabiri's Enigma; Rarity: Rare (Blue); BoP; Unique; Type: Trinket; +30 DefenseSkillRating; Use: Increases block rating by 125 for 15 sec.; Get: Quest Reward. [[ http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30300 ][ http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30300 ]]`
`20:38.59`	`Diao`	`there we go`
`20:38.59`	`Moozh`	`ditch the adamantite figurine and get the figurine of the colossus`
`20:39.00`	`dylanm`	`Or Rock, yo.`
`20:39.04`	`Mudkips`	`and you can see whos turn is it to loot`
`20:39.10`	`Mudkips`	`you'll never has to scream LOOT THE COREHOUNDS`
`20:39.14`	`Eggi`	`maybe if the armory would update instantly`
`20:39.19`	`Ellipsis`	`it does on logout`
`20:39.31`	`Diao`	`figurine is not a raid tanking item though`
`20:39.32`	`Moozh`	`put agility enchant on your gloves, or spelldamage, not strength`
`20:39.33`	`Diao`	`it's a solo item`
`20:39.34`	`xyu`	`Moozh: oki thanks, that still doesn't help much w/ my por dodge ^^`
`20:39.35`	`Ellipsis`	`anyway, the point is, my guildies are prot when they tank`
`20:39.49`	`Diao`	`moroes trinket of course is the main help to dodge`
`20:39.58`	`xyu`	`ah yes`
`20:40.00`	`Moozh`	`if you want dodge, you could bum a ride to moroes and grab his lucky pocketwatch`
`20:40.03`	`NivFreak`	`prot pallies are fun`
`20:40.05`	`xyu`	`i'll write that one down`
`20:40.07`	`xyu`	`yeah`
`20:40.08`	`Diao`	`don't re-enchant your gloves`
`20:40.09`	`NivFreak`	`until a boss silenceses`
`20:40.11`	`xyu`	`i'll be doing that today`
`20:40.11`	`NivFreak`	`silenses`
`20:40.11`	`Eggi`	`not enough block maybe`
`20:40.13`	`NivFreak`	`damnit`
`20:40.16`	`Diao`	`get like maiden gauntlets before you do`
`20:40.16`	`NivFreak`	`silences`
`20:40.19`	`NivFreak`	`I fail life`
`20:40.24`	`Moozh`	`enchant agility on your gloves for more, get the nethercleft leg armor for more 2 more agility and 10 more stam`
`20:40.42`	`Diao`	`nethercleft is a waste on a blue item`
`20:40.50`	`Diao`	`unless you're really rich`
`20:40.51`	`xyu`	`yeah i'll wait for upgrade`
`20:40.58`	`xyu`	`tired of those leggings anyway`
`20:41.01`	`Mudkips`	`what's really rich?`
`20:41.05`	`Moozh`	`i'm really rich, and i have access to a hunter with plenty of primal nethers`
`20:41.05`	`Mudkips`	`>10k?`
`20:41.15`	`Moozh`	`not really rich, i just have time to farm`
`20:41.31`	`Mudkips`	`you cannot kill the mudkips`
`20:41.35`	`Moozh`	`i have maybe 300g at any one time`
`20:42.01`	`Diao`	`maiden neck`
`20:42.03`	`Diao`	`is amazing for dodge as well`
`20:42.15`	`Diao`	`hope your luck with it is better than mine`
`20:42.20`	`Diao`	`took me like 3 months for it to drop :(`
`20:42.24`	`Moozh`	`you can also swap the def gem in your bracers for a dodge/agility gem`
`20:42.31`	`Diao`	`also, you want to get exalted with scryer or aldor`
`20:42.40`	`Diao`	`the shoulder enchant is a big upgrade`
`20:42.42`	`NivFreak`	`it took me 18 weeks to get my pocket watch from moroes`
`20:42.45`	`NivFreak`	`and 20 weeks to get his belt`
`20:42.47`	`NivFreak`	`that guy hates me`
`20:42.50`	`Diao`	`i haven't gotten the belt yet`
`20:42.53`	`Diao`	`trinket on my first kara run thoguh`
`20:42.54`	`Diao`	`though*`
`20:42.57`	`NivFreak`	`maiden dropped her neck 8 or 9 times in our first 10 kills`
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`20:43.04`	`Diao`	`my guild is ridiculous with pocketwatches`
`20:43.06`	`NivFreak`	`all our paladins have it`
`20:43.07`	`Diao`	`we've gotten lik 12`
`20:43.08`	`miica`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=9603.0:D`
`20:43.09`	`Diao`	`like*`
`20:43.14`	`Diao`	`DEd it like 8 times`
`20:43.14`	`NivFreak`	`yea`
`20:43.16`	`miica`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=9603.0 :D`
`20:43.19`	`NivFreak`	`all our tanks have pocket watches now`
`20:43.20`	`NivFreak`	`I was the last`
`20:43.21`	`NivFreak`	`haha`
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`20:44.37`	`art3mis`	`theoretically is it possible to import a profile from somewhere other than the WTF folder.. like say i packaged up theme1and had a directory called profile and in this profile dir, i had eepanels.profile.. then in the addon there's an import profiles. where it would read the eepanels.profile(and others) then push them to eepanels to save it as a profile type?`
`20:44.52`	`Josh_Borke`	`art3mis: answer will come in #wowi-lounge`
`20:44.58`	`art3mis`	`thanks josh`
`20:45.50`	`Mudkips`	`I just got my pocket watch a few weeks ago :(`
`20:45.54`	`Mudkips`	`i love it`
`20:45.59`	`NivFreak`	`yea`
`20:46.00`	`NivFreak`	`it's great`
`20:46.06`	`NivFreak`	`I use it on every transition`
`20:46.11`	`NivFreak`	`nightbane's landings`
`20:46.14`	`Mudkips`	`now shadowmoon insignia needs to drop again!`
`20:46.15`	`NivFreak`	`gruul after a silence`
`20:46.27`	`Diao`	`gruul silence happens too much :(`
`20:46.36`	`Mudkips`	`we pulled a crazy nightbane kill with me trinket tanking`
`20:46.37`	`NivFreak`	`I can only use it every other time or so`
`20:46.40`	`Mudkips`	`we dps'd him in the air`
`20:46.49`	`NivFreak`	`when exactly does his aggro reset`
`20:46.52`	`NivFreak`	`as he lands?`
`20:46.55`	`Diao`	`yep`
`20:46.55`	`Mudkips`	`so when he landed, nightbane would take off again because of the % hp`
`20:46.56`	`NivFreak`	`or sometime in the air`
`20:46.56`	`Mudkips`	`hahahah`
`20:46.57`	`Diao`	`right as he's landing`
`20:47.08`	`NivFreak`	`so how'd you handle the adds?`
`20:47.23`	`Diao`	`melee on adds`
`20:47.25`	`Diao`	`ranged on nightbane`
`20:47.28`	`Mudkips`	`offtank and me just melee them and keep aggro`
`20:47.28`	`Diao`	`that's how we do it lol`
`20:47.37`	`Mudkips`	`then we aoe them down when nightbane lands`
`20:47.44`	`Mudkips`	`if they are still some alive`
`20:47.58`	`NivFreak`	`we assist train on them`
`20:48.05`	`NivFreak`	`AoE was too risky for us`
`20:48.08`	`NivFreak`	`we'd lose a mage or a lock`
`20:48.11`	`Diao`	`lol`
`20:48.14`	`NivFreak`	`when we had a prot pally OT`
`20:48.15`	`NivFreak`	`it was a joke`
`20:48.25`	`NivFreak`	`and we'd just AoE them down`
`20:48.40`	`NivFreak`	`so we burn the adds with assist training in ~10-15`
`20:48.43`	`Mudkips`	`I guess I should say that it was a late night kara clear for a full clear guild`
`20:48.51`	`NivFreak`	`well we clear in 3 hours`
`20:48.52`	`Mudkips`	`kinda hax0red thru it`
`20:48.56`	`NivFreak`	`all but the animal boss`
`20:48.56`	`Diao`	`wtf`
`20:48.59`	`Diao`	`autobar`
`20:49.03`	`Diao`	`lost its settings`
`20:49.04`	`Diao`	`:(`
`20:49.25`	`Mudkips`	`we cleared in about 2 and a half hours`
`20:49.31`	`NivFreak`	`that's pretty good`
`20:49.34`	`NivFreak`	`we don't have gear past gruul`
`20:49.44`	`Mudkips`	`we cheated with tier 6 ?`
`20:49.46`	`Mudkips`	`lol`
`20:49.48`	`NivFreak`	`hehe`
`20:49.53`	`NeoTron`	`we did it in 2.5 hrs too`
`20:49.59`	`NivFreak`	`We have one horde guild in my server in BT`
`20:50.00`	`NivFreak`	`so yea`
`20:50.01`	`NeoTron`	`wasn't very happy with it because we wiped on trash a bunch of time`
`20:50.03`	`NeoTron`	`which is stupid`
`20:50.10`	`NeoTron`	`T5 level gear..`
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`20:50.23`	`NivFreak`	`I really want 2/5 T5 =/`
`20:50.25`	`Mudkips`	`we wiped on supermus last night hahaha`
`20:50.43`	`Mudkips`	`RL wanted to see what the enrage was like so we tried to extend it`
`20:50.56`	`Mudkips`	`but 9 people alive isn't much`
`20:51.02`	`Mudkips`	`supremus*`
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`20:51.41`	`Mudkips`	`combat rez was at 10 minutes cooldown when we started round 2`
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`20:54.02`	`Mudkips`	`someone was talking about that MC trick in TK`
`20:54.12`	`Mudkips`	`1 shot voidreaver?`
`20:54.18`	`Mudkips`	`anyone try it?`
`20:54.21`	`Josh_Borke`	`MC trick in TK?`
`20:54.41`	`Mudkips`	`tempest keep smiths`
`20:54.56`	`Josh_Borke`	`can you please describe it to me because i'm ignorant`
`20:55.12`	`Dezzi`	`the problem with that trick is`
`20:55.19`	`Dezzi`	`as soon as you get popped with an orb MC breaks`
`20:55.23`	`Dezzi`	`and shit can get ugly`
`20:55.45`	`Killmore2`	`tempest keep smiths hit hard ?`
`20:55.49`	`Dezzi`	`very`
`20:55.52`	`Diao`	`they throw bombs`
`20:55.55`	`Diao`	`that can wipe the raid`
`20:55.56`	`Dezzi`	`5k dmg spammable no cooldown`
`20:56.01`	`Diao`	`however`
`20:56.03`	`Diao`	`the easiest thing to do is`
`20:56.06`	`Diao`	`just have your pallies on standby`
`20:56.12`	`Diao`	`next to the smith`
`20:56.20`	`Moozh`	`stunnable?`
`20:56.20`	`Diao`	`and drop a HoJ the moment MC breaks`
`20:56.22`	`Diao`	`yea`
`20:56.22`	`Killmore2`	`or a mage to sheep him`
`20:56.42`	`Moozh`	`so how do you use them to one-shot void reaver?`
`20:56.43`	`Josh_Borke`	`so basically the smith generates a shit ton more aggro than a tank ever could`
`20:57.06`	`Diao`	`you can use it to tank too`
`20:57.07`	`Diao`	`180k hp`
`20:57.09`	`Diao`	`lol`
`20:57.25`	`Gnarfoz`	`Moozh: one-shot is exaggerated`
`20:57.25`	`Gnarfoz`	`but`
`20:57.28`	`Diao`	`haven't tried the method yet but`
`20:57.35`	`Diao`	`seems interesting`
`20:57.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`their main attack has no cd, not even a global cd`
`20:57.48`	`Mudkips`	`so technically`
`20:57.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`you can just spam the hotkey and click the AoE targetting cursor`
`20:57.51`	`Mudkips`	`you could macro the attack`
`20:57.56`	`Gnarfoz`	`for max dps (in the 4k-6k range)`
`20:57.57`	`Mudkips`	`and have it go nuts`
`20:58.09`	`Moozh`	`that's... awesome`
`20:58.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`can't macro the click of the cursor without outside means, right?`
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`20:58.17`	`Moozh`	`broken, clearly, but still`
`20:58.33`	`Moozh`	`you can have it macro to /cast multiple times on one click`
`20:58.54`	`Josh_Borke`	`but you'll only cast once if it's targeted`
`20:59.21`	`Moozh`	`true`
`20:59.27`	`Diao`	`4-6k only?`
`20:59.30`	`Diao`	`wouldn't it be more like 10k+`
`20:59.32`	`Diao`	`if you macroed it`
`20:59.36`	`Gnarfoz`	`you can't macro it -.-`
`20:59.39`	`Diao`	`well`
`20:59.42`	`Diao`	`if you have hotkey+click`
`20:59.42`	`Moozh`	`if its a flamestrike-like move, macroing will do nothing`
`20:59.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`what part do you want to macro? :>`
`20:59.45`	`Diao`	`i think you can break 1k+`
`20:59.48`	`Diao`	`er`
`20:59.49`	`Diao`	`10k+`
`20:59.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`Moozh: it is`
`20:59.58`	`Diao`	`depending on how fast you can click`
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`21:00.10`	`Ozguli`	`5 times per second?`
`21:00.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`no macros needed, just don't unbind the pet/mc bar hotkeys`
`21:00.15`	`Diao`	`that's like 25k damage then`
`21:00.17`	`durcyn`	`or you could just kill void reaver normally, since he's a loot pinata`
`21:00.21`	`Diao`	`in a sec`
`21:00.24`	`Diao`	`cause each bomb does 5k :(`
`21:00.28`	`Ozguli`	`or get some autoclicker for 20+ times/second`
`21:00.30`	`Diao`	`er 25k dps*`
`21:00.32`	`Diao`	`rofl`
`21:00.42`	`Diao`	`botting void reaver.. :(`
`21:00.54`	`Ozguli`	`hack your mouse or something`
`21:00.56`	`Moozh`	`not because he's hard, but because it would be interesting to watch`
`21:01.03`	`Ozguli`	`get a friend with usb mouse and tell him to click it really fast`
`21:01.15`	`Moozh`	`TK smiths: the new reckoning`
`21:02.08`	`Ozguli`	`MC tanking anything pwns`
`21:03.01`	`Josh_Borke`	`i enjoy heroic Mech because I get to MC astromages`
`21:03.21`	`Moozh`	`ehehehe`
`21:03.34`	`Moozh`	`sap one, mc the other and bum-rush the demon bombers`
`21:03.39`	`Josh_Borke`	`lol`
`21:03.46`	`Josh_Borke`	`that's a good idea`
`21:03.48`	`Plagous`	`i like enslaving the bombers`
`21:03.56`	`Josh_Borke`	`hate @ demon bombers`
`21:04.03`	`Moozh`	`warlocks are hard to come by on my server`
`21:04.04`	`Josh_Borke`	`i just hide while the warlock kills them`
`21:04.33`	`Diao`	`lol`
`21:04.35`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`21:04.39`	`Plagous`	`lol`
`21:04.43`	`Diao`	`it's always fun when you don't have a lock`
`21:04.45`	`Diao`	`for hmech`
`21:04.46`	`Ozguli`	`I've actually had some warlock slay multiple groups with one bomber`
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`21:05.02`	`Diao`	`as long as your healer`
`21:05.04`	`Diao`	`heals the bomber`
`21:05.07`	`Diao`	`it can take out a lot of stuff`
`21:05.07`	`Moozh`	`i don't remember the last time i had a lock for heroic mech`
`21:05.12`	`Plagous`	`yeah, if enslave doesn't break and you keep it healed it can last for awhile`
`21:05.24`	`Moozh`	`yeah, i put ES on the bombers and start spamming healing wave :P`
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`21:06.05`	`buu`	`I'm always tempted to just keep one of the bombers for the entire run.`
`21:06.16`	`Ozguli`	`althought priest MC can b e rather interesting, once got myself killed in STV by bubbling some troll`
`21:06.28`	`Ozguli`	`entire run o.O`
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`21:06.58`	`Plagous`	`enslave has dimenishing returns in pve doesn't it?`
`21:07.03`	`buu`	`Yeah`
`21:07.09`	`Moozh`	`it'd have to be a fast run`
`21:07.10`	`buu`	`But I'm sure you could get like 10 or 15 out of it.`
`21:07.12`	`Plagous`	`that would be hard to pull off then`
`21:07.13`	`KarlThePagan`	`only in pvp i think`
`21:07.15`	`buu`	`Then go get another one`
`21:07.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`oh wait... enslave nm`
`21:07.23`	`Moozh`	`enslave demon has its own diminish`
`21:07.35`	`KarlThePagan`	`mc doesn't`
`21:07.39`	`KarlThePagan`	`;)`
`21:07.47`	`Ozguli`	`but if it breaks...`
`21:07.53`	`Ozguli`	`target must be stunned quite damn fast :P`
`21:07.53`	`KarlThePagan`	`kek`
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`21:08.05`	`KarlThePagan`	`and anything it was tanking still comes to kill you`
`21:08.14`	`Plagous`	`lol`
`21:08.27`	`KarlThePagan`	`as if your pet died`
`21:08.35`	`Ozguli`	`BRD actually had some healers the priest(s) could mind control`
`21:09.07`	`NivFreak`	`man`
`21:09.07`	`NivFreak`	`I remember getting gibbed pretty bad in BRD`
`21:09.07`	`NivFreak`	`doing MC pulls`
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`21:09.08`	`Ozguli`	`not like that :P`
`21:09.27`	`Ozguli`	`they just had so imba heals`
`21:09.42`	`NivFreak`	`MC is so lame now days in pvp`
`21:09.51`	`NivFreak`	`but I still love using it on the AV bridge`
`21:09.51`	`Ozguli`	`aww, true`
`21:09.54`	`NivFreak`	`JUMP!`
`21:10.06`	`NivFreak`	`also, back door to kara is fun`
`21:10.09`	`Ozguli`	`what if priest breaks the MC while targeti's still running?`
`21:10.11`	`KarlThePagan`	`5 pc ZG set still`
`21:10.13`	`Ozguli`	`in air*`
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`21:10.22`	`NivFreak`	`he dies`
`21:10.24`	`NivFreak`	`:P`
`21:10.31`	`Ozguli`	`yeah thought so, good`
`21:10.37`	`NivFreak`	`it's great grief`
`21:10.45`	`Ozguli`	`stupid that it can't be interrupted by pressing esc or smth`
`21:10.52`	`Ozguli`	`does /stopcasting work?`
`21:11.05`	`NivFreak`	`casting breaks it`
`21:11.19`	`NivFreak`	`when I'm being friendly with the other faction`
`21:11.23`	`NivFreak`	`I'll MC and fort buff them`
`21:11.30`	`Ozguli`	`some troll buffed me once like that`
`21:11.44`	`Josh_Borke`	`I did that with a warrior in felwood`
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`21:11.49`	`Josh_Borke`	`you know that cave that is a bitch to get into or out of`
`21:11.50`	`NivFreak`	`I had a hunter silence my MC`
`21:11.52`	`NivFreak`	`so I killed him`
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`21:11.54`	`NivFreak`	`poor hunter`
`21:12.06`	`NivFreak`	`death instead of a free buff`
`21:12.07`	`Josh_Borke`	`yea, we fought our way down there then took turns killing the quest mob`
`21:12.17`	`Ozguli`	`I ganked some poor warrior in arathi highlands the other day...`
`21:12.29`	`Ozguli`	`it was fifth time or so I accidentally met him`
`21:12.35`	`NivFreak`	`heh`
`21:12.42`	`Ozguli`	`(his own fault, killed me with a druid first!)`
`21:12.57`	`NivFreak`	`I like world pvp`
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`21:13.05`	`Ozguli`	`he didn't want to spawn anymore, I would've used him to tank some ogres otherwise`
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`21:13.21`	`Ozguli`	`np: Mot�rhead - Killed By Death`
`21:13.28`	`Ozguli`	`The title makes sense`
`21:13.34`	`NivFreak`	`oh hey`
`21:13.41`	`NivFreak`	`does anyone know how to make prat show channel names`
`21:13.43`	`NivFreak`	`instead of numbers`
`21:13.51`	`NivFreak`	`I can never remember which channel is 8`
`21:13.52`	`NivFreak`	`or 9`
`21:13.52`	`Ozguli`	`doesn't it?`
`21:13.53`	`NivFreak`	`or 10`
`21:13.54`	`NivFreak`	`hehe`
`21:13.56`	`Ozguli`	`oh`
`21:14.06`	`NivFreak`	`I want [8. foo]`
`21:14.08`	`Ozguli`	`I just use the normal ones, first letter is usually enough`
`21:14.15`	`durcyn`	`you should be able to set your own substitutions in the ChannelNames module`
`21:14.19`	`NivFreak`	`all it shows for me is [8]`
`21:14.21`	`durcyn`	`or whatever it's called this week`
`21:14.25`	`NivFreak`	`ok`
`21:14.29`	`NivFreak`	`I'll check it out tonight`
`21:14.45`	`NivFreak`	`so far I like it`
`21:14.54`	`NivFreak`	`but there's a few minor things I want to tweak`
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`21:15.00`	`Moozh`	`hrm`
`21:15.06`	`Moozh`	`prat shows me channel names`
`21:15.15`	`Moozh`	`well, sorta`
`21:15.33`	`Moozh`	`[G] [R] and custom channels have [ChannelName]`
`21:16.07`	`NivFreak`	`that'd be better`
`21:16.11`	`NivFreak`	`right now I just get [8]`
`21:16.14`	`NivFreak`	`[9]`
`21:16.14`	`NivFreak`	`etc`
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`21:16.17`	`Cadwallion`	`NivFreak: ChannelNames module, you can change what it says`
`21:16.20`	`Ellipsis`	`oh man, clearly a pro guild right here`
`21:16.31`	`Ellipsis`	`<niNjApiRatEcLaN>`
`21:16.39`	`Plagous`	`leet`
`21:16.42`	`Ellipsis`	`srsly`
`21:16.42`	`Moozh`	`imba`
`21:16.47`	`Ozguli`	`maybe it's a joke?`
`21:16.48`	`Ellipsis`	`I wanna join :(`
`21:16.51`	`Moozh`	`pheer them`
`21:16.54`	`Chompers`	`trying to read that hurts my brain`
`21:16.59`	`durcyn`	`reminds me of that kid that spammed the guild recruitment forums a few months ago trying to get people to join his guild for Penguins, or somesuch`
`21:17.05`	`NivFreak`	`our #11 horde guild is HasEpicmain AndwillCampU`
`21:17.20`	`Ozguli`	`Hah`
`21:17.20`	`Moozh`	`kek`
`21:17.21`	`Plagous`	`lol`
`21:17.41`	`NivFreak`	`they only have 3 bosses in SSC down though`
`21:17.42`	`NivFreak`	`hehe`
`21:17.48`	`Ozguli`	`I want to join a guild named that... EXCEPT THAT MY SERVER IS STUPID RPPVP`
`21:17.57`	`[dRaCo]`	`QQ!`
`21:18.01`	`Ozguli`	`Oh whyyy`
`21:18.02`	`NivFreak`	`RP scares me`
`21:18.09`	`Ozguli`	`it's cool at times`
`21:18.11`	`Tornhoof`	`why?`
`21:18.12`	`Plagous`	`rp servers are odd to me`
`21:18.18`	`Tornhoof`	`there is simply no difference to normal`
`21:18.21`	`kebinusan`	`RP is just like a normal realm except they speak with proper grammar`
`21:18.31`	`Ozguli`	`Ghiifk of Ravenholdt, the fanatic gnome rogue`
`21:18.38`	`Tornhoof`	`except that people know how to spell and are a bit more mature`
`21:18.38`	`Ozguli`	`Excactly!`
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`21:18.55`	`NivFreak`	`this is why my /ignore list is full`
`21:18.59`	`Plagous`	`not saying they're bad, just seem odd`
`21:19.01`	`NivFreak`	`:)`
`21:19.04`	`Tornhoof`	`i never regretted rolling on a rp server`
`21:19.10`	`Tornhoof`	`even though i never do rp`
`21:19.15`	`Ellipsis`	`I'm scared of RP servers`
`21:19.26`	`durcyn`	`RP servers, or rather their deeprun trams, are great entertainment.`
`21:19.27`	`Ozguli`	`I do it sometimes and people are just like... continues to speak ooc`
`21:19.45`	`durcyn`	`Ozguli: just macro "I put on my robe and wizard hat."`
`21:19.45`	`Ozguli`	`my server's deeprun tram is empty`
`21:19.48`	`Tornhoof`	`heh winterspring those hot springs`
`21:19.56`	`Ozguli`	`I do that`
`21:19.57`	`Tornhoof`	`full of rp nekkid elfs`
`21:20.05`	`Ozguli`	`like /me runs in circles, yelling wildly`
`21:20.11`	`NivFreak`	`I'm just into RP in general`
`21:20.13`	`NivFreak`	`er`
`21:20.14`	`NivFreak`	`just not`
`21:20.16`	`Plagous`	`lol`
`21:20.24`	`durcyn`	`how freudian.`
`21:20.27`	`NivFreak`	`so it's awkward when I see it :)`
`21:20.32`	`Ozguli`	`and they pay like actually no attention`
`21:20.33`	`Ozguli`	`http://koti.mbnet.fi/probli/wow/suit.jpg`
`21:20.35`	`Ozguli`	`look at that`
`21:20.41`	`NivFreak`	`plus, WoW seems like it would be pretty brutal to RP in`
`21:20.45`	`NivFreak`	`the lore is a bit... odd..`
`21:20.58`	`Moozh`	`i'm not a fan of RP, but i'm not opposed to playing a part for a time before exusing myself into silence or a different location`
`21:21.08`	`hyperChipmunk`	`>8P my server was the one that made deeprun tram infamous`
`21:21.13`	`NivFreak`	`Ozguli: scary`
`21:21.23`	`Ellipsis`	`sweet, scryer revered \o/`
`21:21.34`	`Plagous`	`grats`
`21:21.36`	`Ozguli`	`I hope someone noticed it in-game`
`21:21.58`	`Ozguli`	`one mage told me to dress up before he will open me a portal`
`21:22.13`	`Ellipsis`	`Ozguli's screenshot is precisely why I am scared of RP servers`
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`21:22.35`	`Ozguli`	`I'll check if my normal rp suit is somewhere, that's the "party" one`
`21:22.50`	`Ozguli`	`that I use /me spanks %t with a riding crop! macro with`
`21:23.13`	`NivFreak`	`see`
`21:23.16`	`NivFreak`	`I'm worried already`
`21:24.17`	`Ozguli`	`anyway, stylin' purple hat and rogue non-epic pvp shoulders (both purple)`
`21:24.20`	`Ozguli`	`looks rather good`
`21:24.21`	`Ellipsis`	`ok maybe I should just be scared of Ozguli`
`21:25.44`	`miica`	`Ozguli: ooh sexy one`
`21:25.56`	`miica`	`Ozguli: i can send some naked gnome pics for if you want ;P`
`21:26.12`	`Ozguli`	`I don't actually want those...`
`21:26.16`	`Ellipsis`	`...`
`21:26.20`	`Ellipsis`	`so anyway`
`21:26.29`	`Ozguli`	`just gathered that suit to see how people would react`
`21:26.39`	`miica`	`:'(`
`21:26.51`	`Ozguli`	`... the helm is the epic night watchman`
`21:27.42`	`miica`	`nobody likes my imp SB buff idea :(`
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`21:31.12`	`CIA-7`	`03funkydude * r53600 10BigWigs/ (13 files in 2 dirs):`
`21:31.12`	`CIA-7`	`BigWigs: Hyjal/BT:`
`21:31.13`	`CIA-7`	`- tweaks`
`21:31.13`	`CIA-7`	`- add some trigger events`
`21:31.29`	`Moozh`	`didn't you say that already, miica?`
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`21:32.05`	`miica`	`no :D`
`21:32.31`	`miica`	`here isnt any damn shadow destro warlocks? :(`
`21:32.50`	`Ellipsis`	`we're content to theorycraft and check WWS afterwards`
`21:32.57`	`Ellipsis`	`we don't need real-time proc analysis :P`
`21:33.06`	`Josh_Borke`	`miica: can you try that again in better grammar?`
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`21:33.58`	`NeoTron`	`miica: what imp SB idea?`
`21:35.15`	`miica`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=9603.0 something like this :D`
`21:35.47`	`Moozh`	`er`
`21:35.52`	`Moozh`	`wouldn't recap tell you that?`
`21:36.13`	`miica`	`not how long imp SB buff was up`
`21:36.14`	`Gngsk`	`assessment could prolly tell you to`
`21:36.27`	`Chompers`	`or recount`
`21:36.30`	`Moozh`	`are you looking for length of time or % of fight or what?`
`21:36.52`	`miica`	`how long imp SB buff was up in fight`
`21:37.14`	`miica`	`it comes up always when SB procs`
`21:37.26`	`Moozh`	`the point of that would be... useless in a raid with multiple hard-damage shadow locks`
`21:37.30`	`Moozh`	`and shadow priests`
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`21:37.44`	`Moozh`	`as it would likely be consumed almost instantly`
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`21:38.15`	`Plagous`	`i agree, usually when i see it proc it's gone a few seconds later`
`21:38.17`	`miica`	`it goes off instantly but..`
`21:38.28`	`miica`	`yes but it should come up again`
`21:38.49`	`miica`	`with many shadow destro warlock it should be up all the time`
`21:39.07`	`Moozh`	`if you're looking for efficiency, you should write a mod that would determine how long imp sb was up, how much shadow damage was done during the duration of each sb, and how much shadow damage was done without the help of imp sb`
`21:39.25`	`Moozh`	`that would be the only sb mod that would have any real use`
`21:39.40`	`miica`	`so i want know how many times it was up and how many seconds or % it wasnt up :D`
`21:40.46`	`miica`	`and how many % of my SB did get buff`
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`21:40.57`	`Moozh`	`well that's easy`
`21:41.04`	`Moozh`	`just count the number of shadowbolt crits you've had`
`21:41.06`	`miica`	`"did i get +20% all the time"`
`21:41.11`	`Moozh`	`any damage meter mod will tell you that`
`21:41.20`	`miica`	`nope`
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`21:41.26`	`Moozh`	`oh, how many sb you've had that consumed a charge of imp sb`
`21:41.28`	`miica`	`becose athors eat that buff also`
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`21:43.28`	`MoonWolf`	`i don't understand why this is important`
`21:43.37`	`miica`	`something like this "20% of you SB did get buff in last fight" "buff was up 50% of time in last fight"`
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`21:43.58`	`Ellipsis`	`numbers are cool and all, but what are you going to do about it? respec if you don't like the numbers?`
`21:44.11`	`miica`	`get mor crit?`
`21:44.15`	`Moozh`	`those numbers would really help that decision either...`
`21:44.21`	`Ellipsis`	`aren't you working towards that in general anyway?`
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`21:44.26`	`MoonWolf`	`you want to know how many of your shadowbolts got the benifit of the buff ?`
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`21:45.26`	`Xaar`	`Hello, i was wondering if anyone could tell me the name of the unitframes on the SS used on ClearFont in wowui. LINK > 12http://wowui.incgamers.com/thumb.php?sizex=1200&file=uploads/WoWScrnShot_020407_033750[1]_20070427.jpg`
`21:45.31`	`MoonWolf`	`miica, the statistic is hard to track since you cannot tell from witch source a buff came, so it could be yours, could be someone elses.`
`21:45.52`	`MoonWolf`	`night clad`
`21:46.01`	`clad\|sleep`	`night`
`21:46.12`	`Xaar`	`thanks`
`21:46.18`	`Moozh`	`xaar, looks like perl`
`21:46.33`	`MoonWolf`	`could be anything, could be ag, could pitbull , could be something else`
`21:46.38`	`MoonWolf`	`its a pretty generic makeup.`
`21:46.49`	`Plagous`	`it's ag_uf - icon is on fubar`
`21:46.51`	`Xaar`	`i like the look of the bars`
`21:46.54`	`MoonWolf`	`Kirkburn, are you around ?`
`21:46.58`	`miica`	`MoonWolf: no it comes from that who critted`
`21:47.17`	`miica`	`MoonWolf: it gives it always when some warlock crits`
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`21:47.23`	`Kirkburn`	`Here!`
`21:47.25`	`Moozh`	`xaar: the skin itself comes from a skin library`
`21:47.27`	`Moozh`	`not the mod`
`21:47.31`	`Kirkburn`	`Xaar, that was agUF`
`21:47.33`	`Moozh`	`you can apply that skin to any unitframe`
`21:47.45`	`MoonWolf`	`there, now we know for sure`
`21:47.46`	`Kirkburn`	`(I use Pitbull now though)`
`21:47.55`	`Xaar`	`ok... ill use a skin then`
`21:47.56`	`MoonWolf`	`ty kirk`
`21:47.59`	`Kirkburn`	`no problemo :)`
`21:48.00`	`miica`	`MoonWolf: and when somebody crits next 4 shadow damage spell gets it or it ends in 12s`
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`21:49.14`	`MoonWolf`	`i know that miica, but unless you are synching you won't alway's see the crits of other locks on your combat log.`
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`21:50.15`	`Xaar`	`4[Moozh4] : where can i gret skin libraries?`
`21:50.40`	`MoonWolf`	`xaar, please please, stop the colour and the bolds.`
`21:50.50`	`Moozh`	`i dunno any off the top of my head, but there's a handful in the acemod list shown in the wowaceupdater.exe program`
`21:51.06`	`Moozh`	`when i get home i can check and come back with actual names`
`21:51.20`	`Xaar`	`i aa ok thanks... the bold thing comes as default in irc though :s`
`21:51.21`	`Moozh`	`unless there's an index file on an ftp server that has a list of all the acemods`
`21:51.26`	`miica`	`MoonWolf: but atleast you can see athor peeps buff so if it isnt your buff it is somebody else`
`21:51.33`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Xaar: no it doesn't`
`21:51.46`	`miica`	`MoonWolf: it isnt so important whos buff it was :/`
`21:52.10`	`hyperChipmunk`	`the only thing default about bold/color on freenode is your subsequent banninations`
`21:52.15`	`miica`	`but it would be cool also :(`
`21:52.16`	`CIA-7`	`03cncfanatics * r53601 10FlexBar2/ (Action/Action.lua Attributes/Attributes.lua): FlexBar2: Fix bug with empty textures`
`21:52.19`	`Xaar`	`yes iu think its from IRcap`
`21:52.28`	`durcyn`	`er, doesn't shadow weaving have the same debuff name as improved shadowbolt`
`21:52.38`	`Moozh`	`negative`
`21:52.44`	`Moozh`	`actually`
`21:52.45`	`Moozh`	`maybe`
`21:52.46`	`durcyn`	`both Shadow Vulnerability`
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`21:53.05`	`Moozh`	`and both stack, one goes up and one goes down`
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`21:53.15`	`Kirkburn`	`hyperChipmunk, so harsh! ><`
`21:53.55`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hey, i don't make the rules; i just enforce them (gleefully)`
`21:54.38`	`MoonWolf`	`is the graphci different ?`
`21:54.45`	`Moozh`	`yes`
`21:54.50`	`MoonWolf`	`no problem then`
`21:54.55`	`Moozh`	`one looks like the shadowbolt graphic, the other looks like shadow weaving :P`
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`21:55.08`	`MoonWolf`	`(there was s time when we used the graphic to find out what buff it was to begin with)`
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`21:58.08`	`NivFreak`	`17 nightbane kills`
`21:58.11`	`NivFreak`	`no freaking brestplate`
`21:58.15`	`NivFreak`	`die`
`21:58.17`	`MoonWolf`	`it happens.`
`21:58.27`	`Moozh`	`mods can determine what buff/debuff is up by the icon?`
`21:58.27`	`NivFreak`	`it took 20 moroes kills for my belt`
`21:58.44`	`Moozh`	`NivFreak: been in kara for i don't remember how long, still no heart flame leggins from chess`
`21:58.45`	`Moozh`	`:<`
`21:58.46`	`MoonWolf`	`Moozh, the path to the graphic icon actually`
`21:58.54`	`Moozh`	`MoonWolf: ah`
`21:59.01`	`Moozh`	`headed home`
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`21:59.33`	`miica`	`even better would be somekind timeline about crits :D`
`21:59.42`	`miica`	`about buffs.`
`21:59.46`	`miica`	`and crits`
`22:00.00`	`MoonWolf`	`recount`
`22:00.04`	`MoonWolf`	`maybe`
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`22:02.16`	`CIA-7`	`03drool * r53602 10Nauticus/ (NautComms.lua NautCore.lua):`
`22:02.16`	`CIA-7`	`Nauticus:`
`22:02.16`	`CIA-7`	`- don't leave channel on group join, to prevent channel order getting messed up`
`22:02.16`	`CIA-7`	`- optimised how comms message strings are construction`
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`22:06.48`	`Ailleus`	`can any1 help changing text sice in purgeit?`
`22:07.52`	`Obelixprime`	`Dezzi, are you hungarian?`
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`22:09.43`	`\|Stan\|`	`I'm hungry`
`22:09.49`	`\|Stan\|`	`cool enough?`
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`22:12.34`	`Ellipsis`	`aestil zomg I has a hit cap`
`22:13.02`	`aestil`	`for your dots?`
`22:13.12`	`miica`	`lock / priest?`
`22:13.18`	`aestil`	`she's a lock`
`22:13.22`	`Ellipsis`	`no, without talents`
`22:13.32`	`Ellipsis`	`I have to respec in fact, 3 points in supression that could be spent elsewhere`
`22:13.32`	`aestil`	`you are SB hit capped without talents?`
`22:13.36`	`Ellipsis`	`yes`
`22:13.39`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: Zomg!`
`22:13.42`	`miica`	`i got 98,7% hit SB :D`
`22:13.43`	`aestil`	`wow, huge congratz`
`22:13.46`	`buu`	`202 hit?`
`22:13.47`	`Ellipsis`	`<3`
`22:13.48`	`Ellipsis`	`yeah`
`22:13.51`	`buu`	`You are winnar!`
`22:14.08`	`aestil`	`i'm at 2% in talents + 13.68% from hit rating.`
`22:14.12`	`aestil`	`i'm techincally not hit capped.`
`22:14.16`	`Josh_Borke`	`every time i see "winnar" i read "winrar"`
`22:14.17`	`buu`	`aestil: Haha, lamer.`
`22:14.18`	`Ellipsis`	`and I only had to sacrifice about 20 damage`
`22:14.24`	`Ellipsis`	`so I'm pretty happy`
`22:14.30`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: I'm desperately trying to get rid of hit items =[`
`22:14.40`	`aestil`	`i would only have to sacrifice like 4 damge or so to hit cap :)`
`22:14.45`	`aestil`	`but its not worth it either way.`
`22:15.00`	`aestil`	`i usually have a shaman in my group.`
`22:15.05`	`Ellipsis`	`lol buu, I hate you :(`
`22:15.07`	`Josh_Borke`	`aestil: my guild's run of VR last night stuck me in the tank group with a paladin tank`
`22:15.08`	`Ellipsis`	`I worked hard for this!`
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`22:15.17`	`Josh_Borke`	`i was still in the top 5 for damage done :-X`
`22:15.19`	`Ellipsis`	`I even enchanted the crappy blue gloves I swore I'd never waste mats on enchanting`
`22:15.28`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: Hah, yeah.`
`22:15.36`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: I have stuff like the scryer's blood gem I desperately want to drop.`
`22:15.39`	`aestil`	`Josh_Borke: yeah, thats a good use of a SP. did you have 3 other group members that was a mage/hunter/hunter?`
`22:15.53`	`cncfanatics`	`gonna log, g'night all`
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`22:16.02`	`Ellipsis`	`buu: yeah, that's what capped me >_<`
`22:16.07`	`Josh_Borke`	`aestil: no, i had a warrior (MT), feral druid (secondary tank), paladin (third tank), warlock`
`22:16.07`	`miica`	`now i got boots of blasting 99% hit cap with SB <3`
`22:16.08`	`aestil`	`is my UI 'good' now do you think?`
`22:16.10`	`Ellipsis`	`damn nice trinket though :(`
`22:16.11`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: Yup.`
`22:16.17`	`Moozh`	`argh`
`22:16.22`	`miica`	`24% crit`
`22:16.23`	`Moozh`	`i can't take this pidgin irc client anymore`
`22:16.24`	`Moozh`	`its too small.`
`22:16.31`	`aestil`	`Josh_Borke: uh. ok. so who's making your raid groups up?`
`22:16.34`	`aestil`	`did you kill VR?`
`22:16.41`	`buu`	`miica: The boots dropped the other day and I lost the roll =[`
`22:16.48`	`Josh_Borke`	`aestil: yes we killed VR, and my stupid GL/RL makes the raid groups`
`22:17.07`	`aestil`	`like for you, it'd be nice to have a shaman, but you're threat capped on VR anyways.`
`22:17.08`	`Josh_Borke`	`aestil: i guess i didn't show you the gruul screenshot, you'll find it humurous`
`22:17.13`	`aestil`	`but hunters/mages are not threat capped at all.`
`22:17.34`	`Josh_Borke`	`http://gallery.joshborke.is-a-geek.com/main.php?g2_itemId=1736`
`22:17.34`	`aestil`	`so, on that fight, giving them back mana, means they push harder, means VR dies easier.`
`22:17.49`	`Josh_Borke`	`aestil: i know, i took 3 weeks before i got a SS for the fight`
`22:17.52`	`aestil`	`Josh_Borke: let me use yoru image hosting for my UI screenshot.`
`22:17.58`	`Josh_Borke`	`ok`
`22:17.59`	`aestil`	`SS?`
`22:18.03`	`Josh_Borke`	`soulstone`
`22:18.07`	`aestil`	`i just dont' hardly DPS for VR.`
`22:18.16`	`aestil`	`me and the other SP's just run around doting and looking pretty.`
`22:18.22`	`Josh_Borke`	`i have to DPS`
`22:18.27`	`Josh_Borke`	`i'm like the second best in the guild`
`22:18.32`	`Josh_Borke`	`which is really sad`
`22:18.42`	`miica`	`buu: ha ha :P`
`22:18.53`	`Ellipsis`	`holy warlocks Josh_Borke`
`22:19.01`	`buu`	`miica: Some shitty mage won them =[`
`22:19.05`	`aestil`	`SP's are good overall dps.`
`22:19.17`	`CIA-7`	`037destiny * r53603 10BigWigs/Extras/Flash.lua: BigWigs: Updated localization koKR`
`22:19.32`	`aestil`	`ther really aren't many bad fights for us past TK`
`22:19.33`	`Josh_Borke`	`aestil: yes, overall dps, but i'm (or was) beating people with gear far superior to mine`
`22:19.44`	`Josh_Borke`	`i was top DPS for a HK kill`
`22:19.53`	`Josh_Borke`	`second for gruul`
`22:19.53`	`buu`	`aestil: SPs are like, crappy mage dps`
`22:19.56`	`aestil`	`i did that for a long time when i joined my guild, and it ended up making the officers take note, and we focused hard on getting peoples dps up.`
`22:20.13`	`aestil`	`buu: on what fight/`
`22:20.15`	`aestil`	`?`
`22:20.26`	`aestil`	`on a night of KT attempts i was first overall`
`22:20.48`	`Josh_Borke`	`i only recently learned that i'm really supposed to focus on being a mana battery first`
`22:20.50`	`aestil`	`i'm usually 3rd or 4th on Vashj, no matter what I'm doing [i'm never soley on the stairs]`
`22:20.52`	`abyx`	`one of our shadowpriests tops the meters sometimes o_o`
`22:20.52`	`Josh_Borke`	`and then focus on doing damage`
`22:20.55`	`buu`	`aestil: All fights?`
`22:21.05`	`NivFreak`	`I've seen our shadow priests top the charts on occassion`
`22:21.06`	`buu`	`aestil: church people killed me again last night =[`
`22:21.14`	`aestil`	`Josh_Borke: doing dmg = mana regen`
`22:21.15`	`NivFreak`	`and not when our other DPS was slacking`
`22:21.18`	`aestil`	`buu: who?`
`22:21.23`	`buu`	`aestil: I didn't take names!`
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`22:21.27`	`aestil`	`classes?`
`22:21.30`	`buu`	`aestil: They were standing outside gruul I think.`
`22:21.39`	`aestil`	`we have a contingent of people who don't raid much, that seem to enjoy pvp.`
`22:21.41`	`Ellipsis`	`aestil: will you smack me if I get the badge necklace before icon, even though I have two nice trinkets now?`
`22:21.54`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: Badge necklace?!`
`22:21.56`	`Ellipsis`	`I know, I know, get the kara one`
`22:21.57`	`buu`	`Kara drops!`
`22:22.06`	`aestil`	`icon is like the second best trinket in the game ellipsis.`
`22:22.07`	`Ellipsis`	`but I have only been able to get into kara once`
`22:22.09`	`Ellipsis`	`and it didn't drop`
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`22:22.22`	`aestil`	`just get it.`
`22:22.23`	`Ellipsis`	`aestil: yes but the necklace is a bigger upgrade unless I get a shot at the kara one`
`22:22.28`	`aestil`	`you'll orgasm your first night having it.`
`22:22.32`	`abyx`	`whats the best way to implement a timer in lua?`
`22:22.42`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: there's a bunch of nice kara ones.`
`22:22.42`	`Josh_Borke`	`abyx: using a OnUpdate function`
`22:22.43`	`aestil`	`buu: i'm sorry. i never gank.`
`22:22.48`	`buu`	`aestil: Yeah =[`
`22:22.49`	`Ellipsis`	`it's only 6 more passive damage than quag's eye...`
`22:22.53`	`a-stray-cat`	`where do i find info on rock?`
`22:23.00`	`buu`	`aestil: I never do that either =[`
`22:23.12`	`buu`	`I don't understand the point.`
`22:23.18`	`aestil`	`Josh_Borke: what is group 2 for in that screenshot?`
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`22:23.48`	`aestil`	`thats alot alot alot of locks and mages.`
`22:23.54`	`aestil`	`you guys will blow through KT imo.`
`22:24.02`	`aestil`	`wow.`
`22:24.05`	`Ellipsis`	`seriously guys, I'm more likely to win the lottery than get kara lewts right now`
`22:24.05`	`aestil`	`10 AoE dmg.`
`22:24.07`	`aestil`	`wow.`
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`22:24.11`	`aestil`	`the weapons will melt.`
`22:24.13`	`Ellipsis`	`can I pleeeeeeeease waste mah badges? :(`
`22:24.18`	`aestil`	`FF the mace and AoE everythign else.`
`22:24.22`	`aestil`	`please don't.`
`22:24.31`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`ehh... how his kara loot hard to get?`
`22:24.32`	`aestil`	`what are your 2 trinkets?`
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`22:24.43`	`aestil`	`kara necklace is a trash drop.`
`22:24.44`	`Ellipsis`	`aestil: quag's eye and bloodgem`
`22:24.48`	`aestil`	`its the best overall necklace in the game.`
`22:24.50`	`Ellipsis`	`I can't get into kara groups`
`22:24.54`	`aestil`	`bloodgem? link please.`
`22:25.02`	`Ellipsis`	`scryer's bloodgem, 32 spell hit`
`22:25.02`	`aestil`	`i know you guys like quag's eye.`
`22:25.08`	`aestil`	`oh.`
`22:25.13`	`Josh_Borke`	`aestil: fuck if i know why all the locks are in the same group`
`22:25.13`	`Ellipsis`	`on use is 150 spelldamage`
`22:25.14`	`aestil`	`you won't be hit capped if you get icon.`
`22:25.16`	`Josh_Borke`	`aestil: and we'll never see KT`
`22:25.24`	`Ellipsis`	`exactly aestil`
`22:25.37`	`Ellipsis`	`I can't swap the icon in for bloodgem until I get more hit on my gear`
`22:25.44`	`buu`	`I need..`
`22:25.47`	`buu`	`Quag's eye.`
`22:25.50`	`Ellipsis`	`and like I said, it's only +6 passive damage to swap for quag's`
`22:25.57`	`Josh_Borke`	`aestil: http://images.gammatester.com/`
`22:26.02`	`abyx`	`i farmed heroic SP 37 times for quagmirrans eye and i finally got it <3`
`22:26.05`	`Ellipsis`	`plus I'd rather have the spell haste proc than a 150 damage click`
`22:26.17`	`Josh_Borke`	`aestil: is a good images site`
`22:26.25`	`Ellipsis`	`I got quag's doing heroic SP with my bf to get him a healing belt >_<`
`22:26.29`	`Ellipsis`	`I forgot I even needed it`
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`22:26.42`	`Josh_Borke`	`bye all`
`22:27.04`	`NivFreak`	`now that they are lowering rep for heroics, maybe I'll get my alt some more heroic gear`
`22:27.07`	`ravagernl`	`hey guys`
`22:27.20`	`NivFreak`	`I was keyed for every heroic on my warrior, when no one in my guild was keyed for one`
`22:27.24`	`NivFreak`	`and I sorta burnt out on rep`
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`22:27.44`	`ravagernl`	`Can i use http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UIFrameFadeIn to fade in/out an eepanel depending on combatstate?`
`22:27.50`	`abyx`	`whats the best way to implement a timer with ace2?`
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`22:29.19`	`aestil`	`the use is absurdly good when you use it right.`
`22:30.27`	`Ellipsis`	`aestil: I rarely bother with using trinkets`
`22:30.36`	`Ellipsis`	`unless there's literally NO aggro`
`22:30.38`	`aestil`	`omg.`
`22:30.44`	`aestil`	`every 2 minutes`
`22:30.50`	`Ellipsis`	`I have to hold back my dps already to avoid tanking`
`22:30.52`	`aestil`	`you are giving up alot of dmg`
`22:30.55`	`Ellipsis`	`I can't pop trinkets`
`22:31.03`	`durcyn`	`then your tanks suck`
`22:31.07`	`Ellipsis`	`yes, yes they do`
`22:31.11`	`aestil`	`then look at it this way, you can lower your mana output, and still do the same amount of dmg.`
`22:31.19`	`aestil`	`http://images.gammatester.com/pics/238cc3494d9729ac95da78b44158ed19.png`
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`22:31.21`	`aestil`	`does that work?`
`22:31.45`	`Ellipsis`	`I know that popping trinkets is great for damage. that's why I don't do it :P`
`22:31.47`	`durcyn`	`she's a warlock, mana already doesn't matter`
`22:32.24`	`Ellipsis`	`I'm not OOM until I'm out of mana, health, pet mana, and healer mana`
`22:32.36`	`aestil`	`life tapping is lowering dps.`
`22:32.39`	`Ellipsis`	`if that's the case, there are probably bigger concerns than increasing a little dps`
`22:32.42`	`aestil`	`if you don't have to, its better.`
`22:32.53`	`Ellipsis`	`aestil: are you listening?`
`22:32.55`	`aestil`	`yes.`
`22:33.01`	`Ellipsis`	`I have to lower dps`
`22:33.06`	`aestil`	`but you're talking about getting better gear anyways.`
`22:33.07`	`Ellipsis`	`so I'm not worried if I do`
`22:33.15`	`aestil`	`necklace etc.`
`22:33.17`	`Ellipsis`	`yeah, for soloing`
`22:33.17`	`NeoTron`	`there's no way you can pull aggro on al'ar of all fights`
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`22:33.31`	`aestil`	`you can't pull aggro on mag either.`
`22:33.41`	`Ellipsis`	`every gear upgrade I get is one more SB I have to cancel so the tank doesn't lose aggro`
`22:33.42`	`aestil`	`on the channeler's yes, but ont mag.`
`22:33.47`	`NeoTron`	`sure you could`
`22:33.50`	`NeoTron`	`but unlikely`
`22:33.55`	`aestil`	`i can't see it.`
`22:33.56`	`nevcairiel`	`Ellipsis: get better tanks, tbh`
`22:34.03`	`Ellipsis`	`nevcairiel: you say that like it's easy`
`22:34.04`	`aestil`	`although, we have all the channeler's down before he pops now.`
`22:34.09`	`aestil`	`so, yeah, i guess you could.`
`22:34.13`	`miica`	`205 hit rating!`
`22:34.16`	`hyperChipmunk`	`don't cast as much?`
`22:34.18`	`NeoTron`	`but al'ar in phase 1 you just have your locks dps w/o salvation while tanks taunt and by the time phase 2 hits, the locks have soul shattered and you have ton of threat lead`
`22:34.45`	`Ellipsis`	`my guild is not that far in progression`
`22:34.54`	`Ellipsis`	`the nubtards wipe to mag`
`22:35.00`	`NeoTron`	`do your priest use Prayer of Mending?`
`22:35.04`	`aestil`	`last time we through a mag raid together, we killed the channelers, and held on to the banishes, and I didn't have to click a cube.`
`22:35.07`	`aestil`	`it was insane.`
`22:35.11`	`aestil`	`SW:D almost killed me.`
`22:35.14`	`NeoTron`	`that is a very significant percent of threat on single-mob fights`
`22:35.15`	`Ellipsis`	`uh...I assume so, I don't pay attention to healer stuff`
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`22:35.45`	`aestil`	`that link worked guys?`
`22:35.47`	`aestil`	`http://images.gammatester.com/pics/238cc3494d9729ac95da78b44158ed19.png`
`22:35.48`	`NeoTron`	`pulling aggro off a tank in a single-boss encounter with healers using PoM is nearly impossible`
`22:35.52`	`NeoTron`	`I've found`
`22:35.59`	`Ellipsis`	`yes aestil`
`22:35.59`	`NeoTron`	`aestil: yes`
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`22:36.04`	`aestil`	`i pulled aggro on KT last night.`
`22:36.06`	`aestil`	`ok.`
`22:36.08`	`Ellipsis`	`also, I'm not talking about raiding`
`22:36.11`	`Mudkips`	`pulling aggro is very easy`
`22:36.14`	`Ellipsis`	`I don't get to raid with my guild`
`22:36.18`	`Mudkips`	`why do you think locks and rogues want SALVATION?`
`22:36.20`	`aestil`	`Ellipsis: change guilds.`
`22:36.21`	`Mudkips`	`hmm I wonder...`
`22:36.31`	`Ellipsis`	`aestil: you say that like there are better ones to change to`
`22:36.35`	`Bejitt`	`rogues need salv? wha? :o`
`22:36.40`	`NeoTron`	`Mudkips: of course salvation is part of the consideration`
`22:36.45`	`NeoTron`	`no one raids w/o salv`
`22:36.48`	`Ellipsis`	`unless you think Afterlife is going to let me in, I'm in pretty much the best spot I can be`
`22:36.58`	`abyx`	`lol at guild chat`
`22:37.06`	`Bejitt`	`if rogues need salve you need to either a) get new rogues or b) get a new tank`
`22:37.14`	`Mudkips`	`uhh you're full of shit`
`22:37.18`	`shieldb`	`Bejitt, that's not always the case`
`22:37.19`	`aestil`	`you could app to my guild if you promise not to be a drama whore :`
`22:37.21`	`aestil`	`:D`
`22:37.21`	`NeoTron`	`why is it so weird with rogues pulling aggro?`
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`22:37.32`	`NeoTron`	`or rather`
`22:37.33`	`Ellipsis`	`aestil: I don't make promises I can't keep`
`22:37.38`	`Bejitt`	`NeoTron: feint/van ?`
`22:37.44`	`NeoTron`	`if they have salvation they can get away without using feint (more)`
`22:37.45`	`aestil`	`feint is a waste of dmg`
`22:37.48`	`cchome`	`never use feint..it waste`
`22:37.48`	`Mudkips`	`llolfeint`
`22:37.52`	`aestil`	`if they don't have to feint, they do more SS`
`22:37.53`	`Mudkips`	`looooooooooooooooool`
`22:37.56`	`Bejitt`	`our rogues always bitch when they get salv`
`22:38.09`	`Bejitt`	`and they're pretty solid`
`22:38.12`	`NeoTron`	`given might vs salv, pick might`
`22:38.20`	`xyu`	`Does anyone know if TankPoints shows how much total Avoidance i have in the paperdol?`
`22:38.35`	`aestil`	`your rogues are either bad because they dont' generate as much threat as they should, or they are dumb because they could be feinting less.`
`22:38.36`	`NeoTron`	`we always try to have 3 pallies, sometimes 4`
`22:38.47`	`Mudkips`	`I agree with aestil`
`22:38.56`	`Mudkips`	`damage wasted to feinting is terribad`
`22:39.19`	`Mudkips`	`salvation and and (gasp) tranquil air was made for a reason`
`22:39.30`	`NeoTron`	`tranquil air is godsent on AoE fights`
`22:39.32`	`shieldb`	`aestil, yeah, on some encounters without salv I can practically pace threat with tanks just with SS + SnD :\|`
`22:39.33`	`Moozh`	`mmm tranquil air`
`22:39.38`	`NeoTron`	`kael'thas especially`
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`22:40.20`	`shieldb`	`2pc T6 makes fights like gurtogg fun regarding threat`
`22:40.23`	`Mudkips`	`tidewalker lol`
`22:40.27`	`Mudkips`	`mages love to die`
`22:40.38`	`abyx`	`JoshBorke you were saying i should use OnUpdate to make a timer right? how would i do that with ace2`
`22:41.24`	`xerawx`	`what's the name of that nameplate customization mod`
`22:41.30`	`Mudkips`	`aloft?`
`22:41.30`	`NeoTron`	`prot pally makes tidewalker lolwalker`
`22:41.35`	`xerawx`	`Mudkips: yes, ty`
`22:41.38`	`tinyboom`	`aestil: is that pitbull you're using?`
`22:41.39`	`NeoTron`	`except the MT dying from 3 crushing in a row`
`22:41.45`	`aestil`	`tinyboom: of course.`
`22:41.47`	`Mudkips`	`we dont use prot pallies :(`
`22:41.48`	`NeoTron`	`in a matter of a few seconds if that`
`22:41.51`	`Mudkips`	`1 prot warr and 3 feral druids`
`22:41.53`	`Mudkips`	`haha`
`22:42.06`	`NeoTron`	`you use warr/druids to tank the murlocs?`
`22:42.07`	`NeoTron`	`lawl`
`22:42.10`	`Mudkips`	`no`
`22:42.10`	`JoshBorke`	`abyx: in Ace2 you could try using a timer like mod like CandyBar or look inside BigWigs to see how it does it`
`22:42.10`	`cchome`	`can dpsdruids outdps rogues ever?`
`22:42.11`	`aestil`	`ssc is full of boring fights, except for vashj.`
`22:42.12`	`JoshBorke`	`or quartz`
`22:42.15`	`Mudkips`	`we use holy pallies`
`22:42.19`	`NeoTron`	`well then`
`22:42.20`	`Mudkips`	`and salve the raid`
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`22:42.24`	`Mudkips`	`salvation*`
`22:42.25`	`NeoTron`	`that's a bit tricker but not so much :P`
`22:42.30`	`tinyboom`	`aestil: care to share the settings? ;) or maybe you already have in the import settings thread? ;)`
`22:42.46`	`Mudkips`	`( cchome ) can dpsdruids outdps rogues ever?`
`22:42.50`	`Mudkips`	`sounds like a post in druid forums`
`22:43.00`	`JoshBorke`	`aestil: i missed link, relink`
`22:43.04`	`aestil`	`cchome: best dps druid can't outdps best warrior, but best dps druid can make a gear comprimise and be a very very good tank when needed, and still do very good dps in cat form, which a rogue can't do.`
`22:43.12`	`aestil`	`http://images.gammatester.com/pics/238cc3494d9729ac95da78b44158ed19.png`
`22:43.16`	`aestil`	`settings?`
`22:43.25`	`abyx`	`we've had a druid OT in top 5 on hyjal trash... mages and warlocks being the other top 4`
`22:43.27`	`aestil`	`tinyboom: how would i do that?`
`22:43.31`	`tinyboom`	`the pitbull settings, they can be exported :)`
`22:43.32`	`aestil`	`the settings are lol easy.`
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`22:43.57`	`aestil`	`what's unique about the pitbull stuff, is the eepanels around them.`
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`22:44.11`	`aestil`	`i can do that for you though.`
`22:44.16`	`tinyboom`	`thought so, but i like the colors/way they are set up:)`
`22:44.23`	`aestil`	`i'd need some direction, as to what you need.`
`22:44.33`	`cchome`	`aestil: what fonts do you use??`
`22:44.50`	`aestil`	`i think its just ABF for the normal stuff, and is that adventura for the SCT?`
`22:45.15`	`aestil`	`you will note, in that screenshot i'm just standing around.`
`22:45.18`	`aestil`	`i'm pretty lazy.`
`22:46.38`	`tinyboom`	`aestil: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=6878.0 ;)`
`22:46.41`	`Ellipsis`	`conclusion on badge rewards is...?`
`22:46.49`	`aestil`	`Ellipsis: get neck.`
`22:46.53`	`Ellipsis`	`yay <3`
`22:47.00`	`aestil`	`Ellipsis: i will take you at your word that you can't do more dmg wihtout kililng yourself.`
`22:47.14`	`Ellipsis`	`well, yeah, not until I'm raiding`
`22:47.15`	`aestil`	`and therefore upgrade neck. however. the trinket is like, required.`
`22:47.18`	`Ellipsis`	`I know`
`22:47.26`	`aestil`	`get in raids. hit capped + 1k dmg is killer.`
`22:47.31`	`Ellipsis`	`and I do intend to get it as soon as I can afford to wear it`
`22:47.39`	`Mudkips`	`aestil, your fubar is very... numbery?`
`22:47.40`	`aestil`	`at your guilds level of progression you could top dps uncontested on every encounter.`
`22:47.48`	`aestil`	`Mudkips: i hear that alot.`
`22:47.53`	`aestil`	`Mudkips: i don't like icons.`
`22:47.58`	`Mudkips`	`lol`
`22:48.10`	`aestil`	`JoshBorke: i have a wws of me leading dps overall on a night of KT attempts.`
`22:48.15`	`aestil`	`you know how hard that made my epeen?`
`22:48.23`	`Ellipsis`	`aestil: I could do that with +10% hit and 900 damage`
`22:48.26`	`Ellipsis`	`and I know because I did`
`22:48.27`	`Mudkips`	`and aren't the buffs over your character frame kind of redundant ?`
`22:48.28`	`Ellipsis`	`>_>`
`22:48.39`	`aestil`	`yes.`
`22:48.45`	`aestil`	`i could undo them`
`22:49.02`	`aestil`	`i was actually messing with alt auras.`
`22:49.22`	`aestil`	`i can't make it do what i want, which is make the 'second' row of debuffs, be the short one, on top, and big one on bottom.`
`22:49.26`	`aestil`	`i don't like the way it looks.`
`22:49.58`	`aestil`	`Ellipsis: then why don't you have a raiding spot.`
`22:50.05`	`aestil`	`in my guild, we field our best raid.`
`22:50.21`	`Mudkips`	`an what is that?`
`22:50.22`	`Ellipsis`	`because nobody knows I kick ass`
`22:50.24`	`Mudkips`	`double damage meters?`
`22:50.40`	`aestil`	`yes Mudkips testing accuracy`
`22:50.41`	`Ellipsis`	`and I haven't passed their requirements to be officially accepted into the guild`
`22:50.48`	`aestil`	`transfer off server.`
`22:50.48`	`Mudkips`	`so you're an initiate?`
`22:50.51`	`Ellipsis`	`yes`
`22:50.53`	`Mudkips`	`lol`
`22:50.54`	`Ellipsis`	`I'm a trial right now`
`22:51.01`	`Ellipsis`	`because I apped and never got fully accepted`
`22:51.04`	`Mudkips`	`just post nekkid pics`
`22:51.07`	`Mudkips`	`problem solved`
`22:51.14`	`aestil`	`Mudkips: sadly, that really is fail.`
`22:51.16`	`Mudkips`	`unless you're obese`
`22:51.22`	`Mudkips`	`then would be the opposite effect`
`22:51.22`	`NivFreak`	`heh`
`22:51.26`	`Ellipsis`	`lol, it'd be easier to just jump through their hoops`
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`22:51.40`	`Ellipsis`	`all I have to do is get 3 people to sign my app saying I'm not a moron`
`22:51.41`	`Mudkips`	`lol j/k`
`22:51.45`	`Ellipsis`	`one of which has to be an officer`
`22:51.47`	`aestil`	`it irks me that people don't just bring their best raiders.`
`22:51.54`	`Ellipsis`	`all I'd really need to do is ask people to stop being lazy and sign`
`22:52.04`	`Ellipsis`	`because I've done enough heroics with them to prove myself`
`22:52.05`	`JoshBorke`	`aestil: hacks`
`22:52.07`	`aestil`	`Mudkips: i don't usually use 2 dps meters.`
`22:52.19`	`aestil`	`Mudkips: recount was a 1 night test, it is out now.`
`22:52.24`	`Ellipsis`	`plus I tied for top on Gruul meter`
`22:52.28`	`aestil`	`i was testing sws, which is only mostly accurate.`
`22:52.31`	`Mudkips`	`63MiB`
`22:52.32`	`durcyn`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLxFhxaZyTg`
`22:52.33`	`Mudkips`	`O_O`
`22:52.37`	`Mudkips`	`that doesn't lag you up?`
`22:52.42`	`aestil`	`no.`
`22:52.45`	`JoshBorke`	`amount of memory used doesn't matter!`
`22:52.51`	`kenlyric`	`i'd hope not.`
`22:52.53`	`Mudkips`	`why does it have a color?`
`22:52.54`	`aestil`	`but about 25 MB of that is recount.`
`22:53.02`	`Mudkips`	`going form green to yellow to red`
`22:53.16`	`Mudkips`	`red makes it look critical kabooooom`
`22:53.23`	`JoshBorke`	`Mudkips: because it used to matter? well, not really`
`22:53.26`	`aestil`	`wait, more than that is from recount, at least 30 MB`
`22:53.36`	`aestil`	`and about 10 from SWS.`
`22:53.36`	`JoshBorke`	`i'd rather it got red at 100`
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`22:53.44`	`Mudkips`	`yeah`
`22:53.46`	`JoshBorke`	`yea, but name another mod that does a deathlog :-D`
`22:53.48`	`aestil`	`maybe like 5 or 6 from sws.`
`22:53.53`	`Mudkips`	`mine is red above 40MiB`
`22:53.54`	`aestil`	`less than 30 at load up.`
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`22:53.57`	`aestil`	`thanks to Ellipsis`
`22:54.22`	`Mudkips`	`I do feel the game slowing down sometimes though`
`22:54.24`	`aestil`	`considering the extensive use of ckknight addons in my ui, i'm supprised its not a bizziliaon MB.`
`22:54.36`	`aestil`	`oh noes, hello ckknight ;o`
`22:54.43`	`Ellipsis`	`lol`
`22:54.43`	`ckknight`	`...`
`22:54.46`	`Mudkips`	`probably because I run 1gig ram with WoW, winamp, vent, messenger, and whatever`
`22:54.52`	`aestil`	`i was just being horribly sarcastic right there.`
`22:55.05`	`ckknight`	`feelings can still get hurt, aestil`
`22:55.07`	`ckknight`	`:-P`
`22:55.10`	`JoshBorke`	`obviously it wasn't funny`
`22:55.11`	`aestil`	`http://images.gammatester.com/pics/238cc3494d9729ac95da78b44158ed19.png`
`22:55.34`	`aestil`	`Mudkips: i turn off buffs on my player frame though, now that you mention it.`
`22:56.01`	`Ellipsis`	`bleh`
`22:56.03`	`\|Stan\|`	`aestil: those buffbars look like a windows 3.1 colorsheme`
`22:56.08`	`Mudkips`	`I hide the keybinds on bartender too`
`22:56.12`	`Mudkips`	`makes it feel clean`
`22:56.42`	`aestil`	`what the ryoale noir them \|Stan\| ?`
`22:56.48`	`kenlyric`	`well, if you have a small enough amount of ram, the mod's memory usage could push you above the threshold to star disk thrashing.`
`22:56.58`	`kenlyric`	`somewereh in the 1 to 1.25 gig range.`
`22:56.59`	`Mudkips`	`are you using Prat?`
`22:57.04`	`aestil`	`me? no.`
`22:57.15`	`aestil`	`i do need a mod that will tab complete names for me though.`
`22:57.20`	`aestil`	`since phanx chat doesn't.`
`22:57.25`	`Mudkips`	`doesn't prat do that?`
`22:57.32`	`Ellipsis`	`aestil: someone else was in here yesterday looking for the same thing`
`22:57.38`	`Ellipsis`	`I don't get you people`
`22:57.46`	`aestil`	`yes. but i don't need like 90 % of the other stuff prat does.`
`22:57.50`	`\|Stan\|`	`aestil: I said windows 3.1 not XP :D`
`22:58.16`	`aestil`	`tinyboom`
`22:58.22`	`JoshBorke`	`aestil: isn't prat modular so you could just not use the stuff you don't want?`
`22:58.53`	`aestil`	`theoretically, but it still seems to be far to... i dunno, i'm really liking phanx chat quite a bit right now, and its missing only one thing i need.`
`22:59.00`	`aestil`	`i'll figure somethign out.`
`22:59.12`	`aestil`	`tinyboom: are you there?`
`22:59.48`	`tinyboom`	`aestil: aye`
`22:59.56`	`tinyboom`	`farming a little:p`
`23:00.06`	`aestil`	`do you just want one exported frame?`
`23:00.42`	`Chompers`	`hey ckk`
`23:01.02`	`tinyboom`	`aestil: player frame should be adequate:)`
`23:03.59`	`aestil`	`http://ace.pastey.net/76197`
`23:04.41`	`aestil`	`has anyone ever heard of a program creating a conflict which prevents the number keys and or shift + number keys from working?`
`23:04.52`	`Ellipsis`	`o.O`
`23:04.54`	`aestil`	`tinyboom: is that what you need?`
`23:04.58`	`Ellipsis`	`more context, aestil`
`23:05.09`	`aestil`	`my number keys are inconsistantly not working.`
`23:05.20`	`Ellipsis`	`ruled out hardware problems?`
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`23:05.50`	`tinyboom`	`aestil: let me check/test:)`
`23:06.26`	`aestil`	`how could i rule out hardware problems? its a laptop`
`23:06.36`	`Ellipsis`	`plug in a USB keyboard?`
`23:06.46`	`aestil`	`provide a usb keyboard. kkthx`
`23:06.51`	`Mudkips`	`usb keyboards are the devil`
`23:07.28`	`aestil`	`tommorow they are replacing my CPU and monitor [dell is awesome eh?]`
`23:07.32`	`Ellipsis`	`aestil, come over and you can try my keyboard out, if you know what I mean ;)`
`23:08.08`	`aestil`	`do you mean, i could try plugging your usb keyboard into a usb port on my laptop, to test if its a hardware problem?`
`23:08.15`	`Ellipsis`	`yes, of course`
`23:08.21`	`Ellipsis`	`what else would I be suggesting?`
`23:08.23`	`aestil`	`kk`
`23:08.46`	`Moozh`	`g15-two?`
`23:08.48`	`Moozh`	`geif linkz`
`23:08.52`	`aestil`	`uh, i would like to keep this discussion at least sort of acceptable for m inors, since we are off topic.`
`23:08.55`	`\|Stan\|`	`logitech.com`
`23:08.57`	`aestil`	`brb. have to restart firefox.`
`23:09.31`	`Ellipsis`	`want old G15`
`23:09.37`	`Ellipsis`	`need moar macro butanz!`
`23:09.40`	`Moozh`	`i only see the g15 and g11`
`23:09.49`	`Ellipsis`	`Moozh: the G15 on their site is the "new" one`
`23:09.50`	`Moozh`	`in regards to g# series`
`23:10.04`	`Moozh`	`oh`
`23:10.05`	`Ellipsis`	`the previous G15 model has 18 macro buttons and a couple other minor differences`
`23:10.06`	`Moozh`	`i just noticed`
`23:10.15`	`Mudkips`	`they named it G11`
`23:10.18`	`Mudkips`	`o snap`
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`23:10.38`	`Ellipsis`	`Mudkips?`
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`23:10.57`	`Moozh`	`meh`
`23:11.01`	`Moozh`	`i'd buy it if it weren't 100$`
`23:11.05`	`Mudkips`	`o wait I'm confused`
`23:11.06`	`nevcairiel`	`G11 is the G15 without the display`
`23:11.15`	`Moozh`	`neg, according to the logitech site`
`23:11.29`	`Ellipsis`	`G11 is the old G15 without the display`
`23:11.32`	`nevcairiel`	`i am glad i have a old G15 and not the redesign`
`23:11.44`	`Ellipsis`	`yeah, I'm getting the old one too`
`23:11.58`	`Ellipsis`	`usually Logitech figures stuff out and improves things the second time around`
`23:12.03`	`Ellipsis`	`like they did with the G5`
`23:12.11`	`Ellipsis`	`in this case, not so much`
`23:12.14`	`Moozh`	`it looks like they're discontinuing the old g11, changing the current g15 to a g11, and replacing the current g15 with an updated model`
`23:12.21`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`HI`
`23:12.26`	`Ellipsis`	`seriously? that's dumb`
`23:12.30`	`Moozh`	`both the g11 and g15 on their site have displays`
`23:12.40`	`Moozh`	`and the g11 looks exactly like the current g15 model`
`23:12.47`	`nevcairiel`	`well at least you can still get the old g15 then`
`23:12.49`	`Mudkips`	`which is why I was confused`
`23:12.52`	`Ellipsis`	`why don't they just give them different model numbers`
`23:13.04`	`Mudkips`	`because logitech touches themselves at night`
`23:13.09`	`Moozh`	`maybe they're lazy`
`23:13.17`	`Ellipsis`	`Mudkips: I'd pay to see that`
`23:13.20`	`Moozh`	`i'm not too impressed with their new g15`
`23:13.22`	`Ellipsis`	`I'm a bit of a Logitech fangirl`
`23:13.25`	`nevcairiel`	`Hm`
`23:13.27`	`Moozh`	`less buttons, its more on the 'sleek' side`
`23:13.32`	`nevcairiel`	`G11 on my logitech page has no display`
`23:13.50`	`nevcairiel`	`dunno where you were, but http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/285&cl=us,en`
`23:14.11`	`kenlyric`	`it almost glows`
`23:14.13`	`Moozh`	`i'm blind`
`23:14.26`	`Moozh`	`http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3498&cl=us,en << the new g15`
`23:14.39`	`Ellipsis`	`I know people were complaining about the size of the old G15`
`23:14.46`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`i just(well, actually about 12 hours ago but i was drinking until now) got my IT Technician certficate(local union stuff etc. bla bla point is gives lots of + on the resume and allows you to [with legal/union backing] demand certain wages/boni/holidays/etc. from employers when hired for specific IT work) 8D`
`23:14.49`	`Ellipsis`	`but that was NOT the right solution`
`23:14.52`	`Mudkips`	`I hear g15 has seperate leds per key for the lightning`
`23:14.54`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`also i quit my job`
`23:14.54`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`8D`
`23:15.08`	`Ellipsis`	`grats sag_ich_nicht`
`23:15.17`	`nevcairiel`	`meh, i like the old g15 because of the 18x3 keys, stripping it down to 6x3 .. fail imho`
`23:15.21`	`Ellipsis`	`^`
`23:15.27`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`hi`
`23:15.32`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`your discussion is invalid`
`23:15.36`	`Wobwork`	`sag_ich_nicht: Congratulations =)`
`23:15.37`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`and you are all retarded`
`23:15.45`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Model M or GTFO`
`23:15.52`	`Wobwork`	`oh well fine`
`23:15.56`	`Wobwork`	`I retract my congratulations`
`23:15.56`	`Mudkips`	`klik klak`
`23:16.02`	`Diao`	`wow they nerfed the g15 o_o`
`23:16.02`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`also thanks 8D`
`23:16.05`	`Wobwork`	`=P`
`23:16.10`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Mudkips: yes`
`23:16.11`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`i like it`
`23:16.12`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`8D`
`23:16.18`	`Mudkips`	`I got a model M next to me right now`
`23:16.24`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`+WASD still isn't worn off`
`23:16.35`	`Mudkips`	`and I'm gently hovering my fingers over it's keys`
`23:16.36`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`altho the keyboard is in use since like 15 years or something`
`23:16.38`	`Mudkips`	`slowly....`
`23:16.40`	`Diao`	`silver and orange looks nice tohugh`
`23:16.59`	`Ellipsis`	`the sad part is, I''ve had a block of action buttons in my UI for several months corresponding to the G15 keys, and I still haven't gotten around to actually buying the keyboard x.x`
`23:17.15`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`lawl.`
`23:17.27`	`Mudkips`	`I slowly tease the keys one by one. Tapping.. tapping ever so gently`
`23:17.32`	`Ellipsis`	`rawr`
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`23:17.47`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`i smash them with my fingers`
`23:17.52`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`applying raw typing power`
`23:18.01`	`Moozh`	`four fingers of FURY!`
`23:18.09`	`Ellipsis`	`ok this channel is too hot for me :(`
`23:18.17`	`Mudkips`	`no you musn't be so rash`
`23:18.22`	`Mudkips`	`this keyboard is inexperience`
`23:18.23`	`Mudkips`	`d`
`23:18.41`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`to bring the keyboard to unleash the pure fury of the written word, descending upon my enemies like the burn of napalm in the morning`
`23:18.55`	`Moozh`	`like... victory?`
`23:19.05`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`no`
`23:19.10`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`i don't simply defeat my enemies`
`23:19.47`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`i crush them psychologically, i make their life living hell and turn them into my mindless minions, doing my every bidding`
`23:20.24`	`Mudkips`	`way to ruin it`
`23:21.21`	`Xaar`	`hello can anyone reccomend me an addon like flexbar but with the option to hide the grid?`
`23:21.21`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`heh`
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`23:21.34`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Ellipsis what's creepy about that`
`23:21.47`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`wouldn't you do the same with your enemies if you had any?`
`23:22.09`	`Ellipsis`	`I have enemies`
`23:22.13`	`Ellipsis`	`I usually just hide from them`
`23:22.18`	`Moozh`	`i eat my enemies`
`23:22.37`	`Mudkips`	`this one time near balinda's house`
`23:22.57`	`Mudkips`	`this crazy warrior sniped me with hamstring from his huge sword`
`23:23.08`	`Mudkips`	`i switched to bear form and tanked him to death. the end`
`23:23.30`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Ellipsis: you have to confront your fears and defeat them to overcome your own weaknesses`
`23:24.10`	`Ellipsis`	`no I don't`
`23:24.12`	`Ellipsis`	`I'm a really fast runner`
`23:24.25`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`otherwise, your fears will consume you, and turn you into what you fear the most`
`23:24.35`	`Mudkips`	`Ellipsis is a warlock`
`23:24.44`	`Ellipsis`	`yeah, my fears never get close to me`
`23:24.46`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Mudkips. dimishing return`
`23:24.47`	`Mudkips`	`got fear?`
`23:24.47`	`Ellipsis`	`I l2recast gud`
`23:25.01`	`Ellipsis`	`sag_ich_nicht: and that's what the run speed enchant is for! :D`
`23:25.24`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Ellipsis: i have one too. come 2.3, i'll even have 15% instead of 8%.`
`23:25.25`	`CIA-7`	`03funkydude * r53604 10BigWigs/ (Extras/BigWigs_Extras.toc Extras/Flash.lua modules.xml):`
`23:25.26`	`CIA-7`	`BigWigs: Extras/Flash:`
`23:25.26`	`CIA-7`	`- make flash smoother`
`23:25.26`	`CIA-7`	`- add a test function`
`23:25.26`	`CIA-7`	`- now loads`
`23:25.28`	`CIA-7`	`- this module is basically dedicated to you tunnel vision players, it is off by default, you can find it in the Extras menu, will flash when something critically affecting you happens (such as a debuff)`
`23:26.51`	`Ellipsis`	`freaking pallies`
`23:27.09`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`or as. rogues`
`23:27.09`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:P`
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`23:29.50`	`buu`	`Pallies are fail.`
`23:30.07`	`Antiarc`	`http://wow.tachyonsix.com/ui-1031.jpg`
`23:30.44`	`\|Stan\|`	`Antiarc: where is the target frame?`
`23:30.50`	`Antiarc`	`Just above the player frame`
`23:30.53`	`Antiarc`	`Lemme take another shot`
`23:31.18`	`\|Stan\|`	`group frames would be nice, too :)`
`23:31.24`	`Diao`	`what damagemeter?`
`23:31.27`	`Diao`	`violation?`
`23:32.05`	`siIentium`	`hm, this latest bigwigs change sounds like it was made for me ^^;`
`23:32.18`	`Ellipsis`	`and what's the Enchanting (2/2) thingy in the FuBar?`
`23:33.41`	`kenlyric`	`gigantic buff bars!`
`23:33.43`	`NeoTron`	`they should make trash in hyjal no vanish on a wipe`
`23:33.51`	`NeoTron`	`it's a stupid mechanic when stuff drop loot`
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`23:34.26`	`NeoTron`	`flash module for bigwigs ftw`
`23:34.26`	`Ellipsis`	`so, here's one for you guys`
`23:34.34`	`Antiarc`	`The damage meter is Assessment`
`23:34.43`	`Ellipsis`	`is there an addon that supresses the "You must be flagged for PvP to help capture this objective" spam?`
`23:35.02`	Funkeh`	`spam?`
`23:35.02`	`Antiarc`	`The professions thing is, uh`
`23:35.04`	`Antiarc`	`Crap, I forget`
`23:35.15`	`Antiarc`	`But it lets me open all my professions from there, and see cooldowns on other chars, and stuff`
`23:35.28`	`kenlyric`	`skillsplusfu?`
`23:35.40`	`kenlyric`	`that's what it looks like to me`
`23:35.42`	`durcyn`	`tcgtradeskills.`
`23:35.48`	`Antiarc`	`skillsplus, that's it`
`23:35.53`	`Ellipsis`	`it's not tcg`
`23:35.55`	`kenlyric`	`tcg shows all your buttons at once`
`23:35.58`	`Ellipsis`	`ah, ty Antiarc`
`23:36.19`	`kenlyric`	`I've never seen the 2/2 thing before.`
`23:36.32`	`kenlyric`	`must be something i've turned off`
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`23:40.22`	`Antiarc`	`http://wow.tachyonsix.com/ui-1031-2.jpg`
`23:41.16`	`Ellipsis`	`btw Antiarc`
`23:41.25`	`Ellipsis`	`can has Omen not causing invisible dead spot while toggled off?`
`23:41.37`	`Antiarc`	`Mmm. Still doing that?`
`23:41.39`	`Antiarc`	`I'll see if I can fix it.`
`23:41.57`	`\|Stan\|`	`font's a bit huge`
`23:41.58`	`aestil`	`Antiarc: how about making it so that i can customize the pullout threat bar? o.O`
`23:42.08`	`\|Stan\|`	`other than that => nice :)`
`23:42.34`	`Ellipsis`	`Antiarc: yes, and it's even worse when it decides that I want a pullout bar when I drag from that spot`
`23:42.35`	`Ellipsis`	`>_>`
`23:42.38`	`aestil`	`haha, i like your UI antiarc, looks very nice compared to the last one`
`23:43.09`	`aestil`	`so, is there anything anyone can think of that might be making my number keys intermitently fail?`
`23:44.16`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`keyboard broken? tried different usb port (assuming usb keyboard)`
`23:44.30`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`any sort of macro programs or malware?`
`23:44.41`	`aestil`	`i dunno about malware, no macro programs`
`23:44.49`	`aestil`	`keyboard is laptop keyboard.`
`23:44.53`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`oh`
`23:44.56`	`aestil`	`number keys fail.`
`23:45.02`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`try compressed air under the keys`
`23:45.03`	`\|Stan\|`	`Ellipsis: I can confirm that`
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`23:45.12`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`probably some crap stuck underneath.`
`23:45.17`	`aestil`	`worked pretty good there.`
`23:45.29`	`aestil`	`Aens\|Superiority: yeah, tommorow tech is coming to replace the cpu and monitor.`
`23:45.36`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`compressed air or vacuum. Whatever doesn't suck, blows`
`23:45.38`	`aestil`	`so after that [will clean during that time] we'll see what happens.`
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`23:45.47`	`aestil`	`Ellipsis: confirm or deny?`
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`23:47.03`	`CIA-7`	`03pettigrow * r53605 10BigWigs/ (Extras/Flash.lua Hyjal/HyjalSummit.lua): BigWigs: frFR Update`
`23:47.05`	`Ellipsis`	`aestil: eh?`
`23:47.36`	`aestil`	`Aens\|Superiority: made a joke, and then i made another one.`
`23:49.35`	`Ellipsis`	`I wasn't paying attention`
`23:49.38`	`Ellipsis`	`sorry`
`23:49.47`	`Ellipsis`	`in SH`
`23:52.00`	`aestil`	`i need 17 heroic badges for my OH`
`23:52.06`	`aestil`	`i'm such a noob for not having it.`
`23:52.23`	`aestil`	`if i got that kara necklace at some point i would be pretty excited.`
`23:52.30`	`aestil`	`JoshBorke: ping`
`23:52.36`	`JoshBorke`	`pong`
`23:52.58`	`aestil`	`http://wowwebstats.com/4dtbikm1dkwzc`
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