| 00:00.04 | *** join/#wowace Knaledge (n=Knaledge@97.4.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 00:00.16 | Mudkipz | stranger than fiction is such an awesome movie |
| 00:00.35 | Mudkipz | I thought you should know ~_~ |
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| 00:01.04 | Fin | "Electronic Arts Purchases BioWare, Pandemic" |
| 00:01.06 | Ellipsis | Mudkipz speaks the truth |
| 00:01.12 | Ellipsis | Fin speaks the sad truth |
| 00:01.29 | Fin | et tu, BioWare? |
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| 00:02.42 | Fin | "Gods and Heroes Canceled" - jesus I nearly had a heart attack, thought Heroes the TV series was getting cancelled |
| 00:02.45 | Fin | ~cookie |
| 00:02.59 | Fin | ~factstats recent |
| 00:03.18 | Fin | ~factstats new |
| 00:04.29 | Fin | ~why is blue |
| 00:04.30 | purl | why not? |
| 00:04.40 | Fin | ~rewind Ellipsis |
| 00:04.40 | purl | ACTION tries to find Ellipsis's rewind button |
| 00:04.44 | Ellipsis | ~insane Fin |
| 00:04.44 | purl | ACTION dumps Fin in the nut house. |
| 00:04.47 | Ellipsis | :D |
| 00:05.13 | Fin | ~power CIA-7 |
| 00:05.14 | purl | ACTION plugs CIA-7 into three-phase power |
| 00:05.21 | Fin | ~gomi purl |
| 00:05.22 | purl | ACTION stuffs purl into a trash receptacle |
| 00:05.37 | Fin | ~arguement cantspel |
| 00:05.37 | purl | I'm sorry but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid |
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| 00:05.56 | Ellipsis | lulz |
| 00:05.58 | Ellipsis | that's pretty win |
| 00:05.59 | Fin | ~unchi Aiiane_ |
| 00:06.00 | purl | ACTION drops a load of crap on Aiiane_ |
| 00:06.38 | charon | oh great! ... answering my own question as usual: there's no way on earth you can do good damage if you only spend 1.8 minutes casting in a fight that lasted >6 |
| 00:07.03 | [dRaCo] | charon: good point |
| 00:07.33 | charon | and a deep statement at that, too -.- |
| 00:08.44 | RogueShadow | ~praise purl |
| 00:08.45 | purl | All hail purl! |
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| 00:09.46 | Keias | ~pleasure purl |
| 00:09.54 | Keias | foiled |
| 00:11.34 | charon | ah, i misread WWS once again... damn ability details. |
| 00:11.44 | charon | however, 2.55 minutes isn't exactly great either |
| 00:11.48 | kebinusan | ~argue |
| 00:11.59 | kebinusan | ~argue charon |
| 00:12.00 | purl | charon: shut your festering gob, you tit! your type really makes me puke. |
| 00:12.18 | kebinusan | ~drain charon |
| 00:12.19 | purl | ACTION pulls the plug on charon then watches the pretty colors as they swirl into oblivion |
| 00:12.27 | charon | ~lart charon |
| 00:12.27 | purl | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays charon in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
| 00:12.27 | kebinusan | I like that one |
| 00:13.09 | charon | am i talking too much? :( |
| 00:13.16 | Ellipsis | ~stfu charon |
| 00:13.21 | Ellipsis | aww :> |
| 00:13.30 | Ellipsis | purl hath failed me |
| 00:13.37 | charon | ~fail purl |
| 00:13.37 | purl | purl: Fail. |
| 00:13.55 | Knaledge | so if I'm 340 LW and 375 mining |
| 00:14.08 | Knaledge | and dropped herbalism (375) for said LW |
| 00:14.26 | Knaledge | would you now also drop mining for skinning if you found things to e getting quite... |
| 00:14.29 | Knaledge | expensive? |
| 00:15.01 | Knaledge | stacks of heavy knothide are going for roughly 30-40g and sometimes individual heavy knothide are going for 2-3g each |
| 00:15.16 | Knaledge | knothide stacks are regularly selling for 5-8g |
| 00:15.18 | Bruners | is it possible to discover transmutes when making elixirs etc? |
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| 00:15.57 | charon | Knaledge: probably not, at that level... the other mats were at least as expensive as the leather when i respecced LW |
| 00:16.50 | Ellipsis | yeah, leveling LW is pretty expensive for a skinner once you get over 325 or so |
| 00:16.54 | Knaledge | so I should just keep on trucking? |
| 00:17.00 | Ellipsis | I'd just make money off mining, use that to pay for mats :P |
| 00:17.04 | Fin | hooray for 8 years of The Daily Show being released online |
| 00:17.10 | Ellipsis | skinning is instantly useless as soon as your LW hits 375 |
| 00:17.35 | Knaledge | the primals too are becoming a pain |
| 00:17.45 | Knaledge | 10 primals just for one level |
| 00:17.47 | Knaledge | yikes. |
| 00:17.48 | [dRaCo] | Knaledge: w/o skinning those last points could get freakin' expensive. but you could try to get the money by selling gems, so... |
| 00:18.03 | charon | Knaledge: what Ellipsis says, though i'm speaking from the POV of someone who's going to drop LW again RSN to spec back to herbalism |
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| 00:18.14 | Knaledge | well I findmyself in need of roughly 10 stacks of heavy knothide |
| 00:18.29 | Knaledge | actually make that 8 |
| 00:18.39 | Knaledge | and about 8 stacks of knothide |
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| 00:18.45 | charon | i went from 0 to 375 for about 1800g or so, plus some help from friends, 2000g tops |
| 00:18.55 | Knaledge | so roughly what? 240g for the heavy and .... 100~ for the knothide? |
| 00:19.00 | charon | another druid on #eu-druids (quakenet) once told me he did it for 1000 |
| 00:19.04 | Knaledge | so 350g right there just for leather. |
| 00:19.10 | Knaledge | then I need hella primals. |
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| 00:19.11 | Ellipsis | Knaledge, if you're really nice to your guildies, maybe they'll help you farm the leather and craft it up for you |
| 00:19.18 | [dRaCo] | + primals |
| 00:19.22 | [dRaCo] | lots of primals. |
| 00:19.22 | Zexeh | 11anyone who can confirm if one can discover transmutes by crafting elixirs / potions / flasks; or if they only are discovered by transmutations only ? |
| 00:19.25 | Mudkipz | how much would enchanting cost you |
| 00:19.29 | Mudkipz | to about 350skill |
| 00:19.38 | [dRaCo] | Zexeh: wtf. stop that. |
| 00:19.40 | Mudkipz | I just want the fecking ring enchants |
| 00:19.47 | Ellipsis | Mudkipz: way more than you want to put into it |
| 00:20.03 | Mudkipz | give me a reasonable number |
| 00:20.03 | charon | Mudkipz: no idea i've been enchanter all the way though i never had any expensive recipes at 60 |
| 00:20.07 | chexsum | engineering > enchanting |
| 00:20.18 | Zexeh | ow bugger, copy-pasted wrong, sorry about that |
| 00:20.26 | Ellipsis | I've always been an enchanter as well, *still* haven't hit 375 |
| 00:20.34 | charon | huh |
| 00:20.38 | Ellipsis | I've been putting my money into things I need first x.x |
| 00:20.39 | Zexeh | anyways, anyone who know anything about that? :) i've discovered all flasks so far, but no transmutes so |
| 00:20.45 | Mudkipz | I just want 4stats to ring QQ |
| 00:20.53 | charon | so do i! giev 2.3! |
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| 00:20.55 | Ellipsis | 12 spell damage to ring winnar |
| 00:21.03 | RaydenUni | damn you WAU |
| 00:21.12 | RaydenUni | teasing me with pizza hut advertisements! |
| 00:21.16 | chexsum | enchantng doesnt cost as much as tailring/leatherworking but you waste a lot by doing enchants noone wants ust to skill up |
| 00:21.18 | charon | (and i want the 265 badges' worth of feral gear too) |
| 00:21.19 | Mudkipz | pizza hut? |
| 00:21.20 | RaydenUni | good thing i already have pizza |
| 00:21.32 | Bruners | tailoring is like the cheapest proffesion there is? |
| 00:21.35 | RaydenUni | uh no |
| 00:21.38 | chexsum | no |
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| 00:21.43 | Bruners | to level up it is |
| 00:21.43 | RaydenUni | i spent a ridiculous amount getting to 375 |
| 00:21.53 | RaydenUni | and my guildmates sent me LOADS of netherweave |
| 00:21.56 | Knaledge | honestly? If you have some of the LW mats |
| 00:21.56 | Liandra | of the crafting ones, alchemy. |
| 00:22.00 | Mudkipz | *remembers bad memories pizza anime* |
| 00:22.00 | Toadkiller | there is feral gear you can buy with badges? |
| 00:22.04 | Knaledge | LW has been by far easiest of the three I've tried. |
| 00:22.07 | Mudkipz | 10pts to whoever gets that |
| 00:22.12 | Knaledge | those three being tailoring, LW, and blacksmithing. |
| 00:22.14 | RaydenUni | LW? |
| 00:22.18 | Liandra | alchemy! |
| 00:22.21 | RaydenUni | oh leather |
| 00:22.21 | Bruners | tailoring has been the easyest for me |
| 00:22.22 | Knaledge | hands down, to me, blacksmithing has been HORRIBLE to level. |
| 00:22.26 | Liandra | you're forgetting alchemy. :) |
| 00:22.28 | Ellipsis | LW is ezmode iff you're a skinner |
| 00:22.29 | Bruners | blacksmithing being the worst |
| 00:22.33 | RaydenUni | alchemy is dirt cheap to level |
| 00:22.49 | Ellipsis | tailoring is not too bad |
| 00:22.54 | charon | Toadkiller: there's going to be a bunch in 2.3 |
| 00:22.56 | Knaledge | I gave up BS at 335 because I mean... unless you have a guild backing you |
| 00:23.12 | Knaledge | you'll hardly ever make it to 375 on your own without bleeding money. |
| 00:23.13 | Bruners | you? |
| 00:23.20 | charon | a friend specced BS to 375 for 2400g two weeks ago |
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| 00:23.25 | RaydenUni | jewelcrafting is really expensive as well i hear |
| 00:23.33 | charon | (from scratch) |
| 00:23.34 | Knaledge | then once you're 375... |
| 00:23.43 | RaydenUni | http://www.lsmason.com/blog/2007/05/15/profession-and-skill-popularity/ |
| 00:23.45 | RaydenUni | interesting |
| 00:23.46 | Knaledge | who the hell wants any of those weapons? Zul'Aman murdered BS |
| 00:23.48 | Knaledge | imho |
| 00:23.51 | Mudkipz | I PL'd jewelcrafting when TBC hit |
| 00:23.56 | Mudkipz | my alt bank had all the mats |
| 00:24.20 | Mudkipz | I searched about every single guide on the net about it |
| 00:24.46 | chexsum | only engineering/gathering is worth it for the long term |
| 00:24.55 | kenlyric_ | all new instances murder crafting professions :) |
| 00:24.58 | Ellipsis | unless you're a caster and have to get your tailoring set |
| 00:25.03 | kenlyric_ | engineering is worth it? |
| 00:25.04 | RaydenUni | i was tailoring and enchanting |
| 00:25.08 | kenlyric_ | these are lies |
| 00:25.08 | chexsum | its not that special |
| 00:25.11 | RaydenUni | but those together were too expensive |
| 00:25.15 | kenlyric_ | nah, you can outgear the tailoring set. |
| 00:25.18 | NivFreak | blacksmithing is pretty nice |
| 00:25.18 | chexsum | tailored sets have no stamina |
| 00:25.19 | kenlyric_ | (s) |
| 00:25.19 | RaydenUni | i dropped enchanting and picked up mining but i haven't gotten far |
| 00:25.30 | RaydenUni | shadow's embrace... |
| 00:25.41 | kenlyric_ | enchanting is the only crafting profession that provides things you can't outgear. |
| 00:26.04 | RaydenUni | yeah but you have to raid pretty intensively |
| 00:26.06 | Knaledge | LW is on par tbh |
| 00:26.07 | kenlyric_ | maybe jewelcrafting. |
| 00:26.07 | Mudkipz | engineering was always the fun profession |
| 00:26.08 | NivFreak | the need to add the next tier of blacksmithing upgrades/items |
| 00:26.08 | chexsum | anyone can enchant though so its a waste doing it for a few stats on rings |
| 00:26.09 | Wobwork | Oh I dunno |
| 00:26.12 | Knaledge | maybe not so much because of ZA |
| 00:26.13 | RaydenUni | i doubt i'll ever throw away my shadow's embrace set |
| 00:26.16 | Mudkipz | there is no money to be made from it in the long run |
| 00:26.19 | NivFreak | but there are pattern drops all the way into BT for blacksmiths |
| 00:26.22 | Wobwork | The epic one handed hammer |
| 00:26.22 | Knaledge | but there's some LW patterns like the swiftstrike from BT |
| 00:26.22 | kenlyric_ | NivFreak: sure, WotLK |
| 00:26.25 | NivFreak | so I don't think you really ever outgear it |
| 00:26.26 | Wobwork | is fairly unreplaceable |
| 00:26.35 | Wobwork | until fairly far into BT |
| 00:26.43 | kenlyric_ | then it's replaceable. |
| 00:26.54 | Wobwork | well, effectively unreplaceble for me then =P |
| 00:26.55 | kenlyric_ | and all that hard work is for nothing, and your crafting professions sits idle |
| 00:27.17 | Antiarc | Well, there are also things like the Red Belt of Battle, which is the best DPS plate belt in the game, according to our DPS warrior. |
| 00:27.19 | kenlyric_ | alchemy has the stone, which is nice for mana users without spriests. |
| 00:27.30 | Xelopheris | nice for mana users even with spriests |
| 00:27.35 | chexsum | they should let blacksmiths repair for cheaper or something |
| 00:27.37 | Xelopheris | because that means you can be even more inefficient |
| 00:27.38 | kenlyric_ | bah! |
| 00:27.41 | Wobwork | chexsum: totally |
| 00:27.45 | kenlyric_ | mana users with spriests don't need potions :) |
| 00:27.47 | Wobwork | Or a portable anvil |
| 00:27.49 | chexsum | itd be worthwhile for tanks |
| 00:27.53 | Xelopheris | arcane mages do |
| 00:27.53 | Wobwork | which allows you to repair anywhere |
| 00:27.55 | Diao | you don't need bs |
| 00:27.58 | Diao | to get red belt of battle |
| 00:28.01 | Diao | you can have someone make it for you |
| 00:28.13 | Antiarc | Right, but you can have someone enchant things for you too |
| 00:28.19 | kenlyric_ | no |
| 00:28.21 | Ellipsis | not rings |
| 00:28.35 | Wobwork | are the ring enchants worth it though? |
| 00:28.35 | Antiarc | So this is just a discussion about the profession-only bits? |
| 00:28.38 | Diao | 24 extra spelldmg |
| 00:28.41 | Diao | 40 extra healing |
| 00:28.42 | kenlyric_ | that's what makes enchanting useful indefinitely. |
| 00:28.42 | chexsum | no |
| 00:28.44 | Diao | 8 extra stats |
| 00:28.47 | Diao | i think it's pretty worth it |
| 00:28.48 | Ellipsis | I'm not dropping enchanting anytime soon |
| 00:28.51 | Wobwork | kenlyric_: cause it scales? |
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| 00:29.03 | Mudkipz | ya that's my problem |
| 00:29.04 | chexsum | 24+dmg, 40 +hea, 8+weapon dmg i think or 8 al stats |
| 00:29.10 | kenlyric_ | Wobwork: if you're a min/maxer, sure, they're worth it. |
| 00:29.12 | Antiarc | +4 weapon damage |
| 00:29.15 | chexsum | its not a massive upgrade |
| 00:29.15 | Diao | 4 wp |
| 00:29.22 | Diao | yea but it's irreplaceable |
| 00:29.23 | Mudkipz | drop mining to complement my jewelcrafting for 8 extra stats |
| 00:29.25 | kenlyric_ | it's more than you could *ever* have without it. |
| 00:29.26 | Antiarc | Which is pretty bad for anyone that isn't a cat/combat daggers rogue |
| 00:29.26 | Ellipsis | you can't outgear the BoP stuff from enchanting, I think the whole argument was about which professions become useless when you outgear their stuff |
| 00:29.27 | Diao | everything else can be replaced |
| 00:29.29 | Mudkipz | it doesn't see that worth it now |
| 00:29.31 | chexsum | 2x4 is 8 :P |
| 00:29.34 | Diao | no it's 2 per ring |
| 00:29.36 | Diao | for a total of 4 |
| 00:29.41 | chexsum | ok then |
| 00:29.41 | Diao | on weapon damage |
| 00:30.06 | chexsum | its a lot better than the spel dmg ones since it multiplies more :( |
| 00:30.14 | Ellipsis | it's still slightly better than what you'd have if you picked up two other professions |
| 00:30.18 | Antiarc | Really, there's no one profession that's just blindingly required for raiding, which is a good thing. |
| 00:30.44 | chexsum | yeah there is enchanting |
| 00:30.47 | RaydenUni | what's that? |
| 00:30.50 | chexsum | gotta shard those epics |
| 00:30.51 | Antiarc | If the best gear for a slot always came from professions, it would make that profession required for high-end raiders. |
| 00:30.58 | kenlyric_ | even jewelcrafting with its bop gems can be outgeared by new gems. |
| 00:31.15 | Diao | well |
| 00:31.17 | Diao | not necessarily |
| 00:31.17 | kenlyric_ | so yeah, go all gathering. |
| 00:31.18 | Ellipsis | the best gear for the ring enchant slot always comes from enchanting =] |
| 00:31.20 | Diao | +18 stam gem |
| 00:31.22 | kenlyric_ | buy your stuff off the AH |
| 00:31.24 | Diao | is irreplaceable |
| 00:31.25 | Diao | as of now |
| 00:31.30 | kenlyric_ | Diao: eventually it will be though. |
| 00:31.36 | Diao | well yeah, but they'll introduce a new gem |
| 00:31.38 | Diao | to replace it :P |
| 00:31.42 | kenlyric_ | uh |
| 00:31.46 | Ellipsis | you hope |
| 00:31.48 | Antiarc | There isn't a ring enchanting slot :P |
| 00:31.49 | Antiarc | Just ring slots. |
| 00:31.50 | kenlyric_ | hello, welcome to Blizzard |
| 00:32.04 | Ellipsis | Antiarc: every enchantable slot has an enchant slot, at least that's how I think of it :P |
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| 00:32.07 | Diao | in any case |
| 00:32.11 | Ellipsis | just like every socket is a gem slot |
| 00:32.13 | Diao | for min/max |
| 00:32.15 | kenlyric_ | if you have that kind of blind hope for parallel progression, you must not be playing the same game I am. |
| 00:32.23 | Diao | i think enchanting and inscription in wotlk |
| 00:32.27 | kenlyric_ | we wait two years to get something besides the three caster epics in tailoring :) |
| 00:32.27 | Diao | will be the best professions to have |
| 00:32.38 | Antiarc | I'm enchanting/herb right now, which is a pretty damn nice combo for a raider. |
| 00:32.41 | Diao | both will be irreplaceable |
| 00:32.47 | kenlyric_ | while raider gear got better and better and better and better. |
| 00:32.59 | Diao | well |
| 00:33.00 | kenlyric_ | Diao: you can only suppose. |
| 00:33.06 | Antiarc | Free flasks/pots + major money from selling extra herbs + the ability to enchant my own crap, which is nice. |
| 00:33.06 | kenlyric_ | it all depends on what is BoP |
| 00:33.08 | Diao | there are tailor equivalents |
| 00:33.14 | Diao | for the bt level gear |
| 00:33.26 | Diao | you just need to buy the pattern for like 1k+ gold |
| 00:33.32 | Diao | from a bt guild |
| 00:33.45 | kenlyric_ | boe patterns making bop items makes my head hurt. |
| 00:33.55 | Antiarc | I think it's a good thing. |
| 00:34.03 | Antiarc | It lets you shuttle the pattern around to people that need the item |
| 00:34.08 | Antiarc | And also makes for very nice gold surplus |
| 00:34.09 | Diao | yep |
| 00:34.23 | Antiarc | Our guild bank has like 30k gold right now, mostly from surplus SSC/TKE patterns we've auctioned |
| 00:34.32 | kenlyric_ | i'd rather it just make boe item. |
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| 00:34.47 | Diao | but then people wouldn't need tailoring |
| 00:34.49 | Diao | to get such a good item |
| 00:34.51 | kenlyric_ | yeah, I feel sorry for your fleecing ways! |
| 00:34.56 | Antiarc | Well, there are also the BOP patterns that make BOE items. |
| 00:34.59 | Diao | and that would be rather pointless |
| 00:35.01 | kenlyric_ | don't those items require things that drop in BT, too? |
| 00:35.08 | Diao | yes, but guilds can sell those too |
| 00:35.10 | Diao | since they're not soulbound |
| 00:35.28 | kenlyric_ | ah. |
| 00:35.38 | Ellipsis | the idea is, high end guilds get tons and tons of cash from noobs who want the patterns, so the progression gap can get even wider |
| 00:35.40 | Ellipsis | yay! |
| 00:35.43 | Antiarc | The SSC/TKE ones require Neter Vortexes, which are BOP, but the patterns sell well to other raid groups who haven't seen that pattern. |
| 00:35.50 | Diao | how does getting cash make progression gap wider |
| 00:35.53 | Antiarc | Ellipsis: I'm spending 80g/night on repairs right now, so :P |
| 00:35.55 | kenlyric_ | I'm tailoring/enchanting now, and thinking about dropping one for WotLK levelling. |
| 00:36.09 | chexsum | dont drop enchanting |
| 00:36.12 | Ellipsis | it pays for whatever the guild pays for - repairs, consumables, mats... |
| 00:36.17 | Diao | uhh |
| 00:36.24 | kenlyric_ | sorry... "dropping tailoring" |
| 00:36.25 | Diao | and the "noobs" who buy the patterns |
| 00:36.31 | Diao | now have better gear |
| 00:36.34 | Diao | so they can progress further |
| 00:36.39 | Diao | thus closing the progression gap? |
| 00:36.41 | Ellipsis | yeah but they aren't in the guilds that can progress |
| 00:36.43 | chexsum | i might drop tailoring |
| 00:36.50 | Diao | right |
| 00:36.53 | Diao | so for example |
| 00:36.58 | kenlyric_ | skinning was a crazy moneymaker at the beginning of TBC |
| 00:36.59 | chexsum | i only used it to gear up twinks |
| 00:37.05 | Diao | i bought the red havoc boots pattern because i won't be going to BT anytime soon to replace it with t6 |
| 00:37.12 | Diao | my guild is now starting ssc/tk |
| 00:37.20 | Diao | obviously my guild won't progress further |
| 00:37.20 | kenlyric_ | and in the heavily populated areas, it's easier to work than herbalism/mining. |
| 00:37.23 | Ellipsis | just having the gear to do BT doesn't mean you kill BT bosses - you have to be in a guild which runs it, with other raiders who are good enough, and everyone has to be coordinated enuogh |
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| 00:37.45 | kenlyric_ | it's also the most annoying to powerlevel. |
| 00:37.46 | Diao | quite a few people in my guild are buying the patterns to upgrade their gear |
| 00:37.49 | Ellipsis | gear isn't a ticket to winville |
| 00:37.52 | kenlyric_ | so I'll probably just go with mining. |
| 00:37.52 | Diao | and we are progressing just fine |
| 00:38.08 | Ellipsis | Diao: yes, but your money is paying for the server's BT guilds to kick more boss butt |
| 00:38.14 | Diao | well we have 5 guilds on my server |
| 00:38.20 | kenlyric_ | i'm wondering if there will be a market for ore in 2.3 |
| 00:38.20 | Diao | that farm illidan |
| 00:38.25 | Diao | so it's not like it's much of an issue |
| 00:38.35 | kenlyric_ | wondering how many people will go after engineering for the mounts. |
| 00:38.41 | Ellipsis | and thanks to you, the next raid that comes out will be just that much easier for them to breeze through |
| 00:38.52 | Diao | and thanks to them |
| 00:38.55 | Diao | my guild progresses faster |
| 00:38.59 | Diao | so what's your point? |
| 00:39.02 | kenlyric_ | caring about what other people do seems kinda pointless. |
| 00:39.02 | Ellipsis | but your guild is likely not gear-bound |
| 00:39.11 | chexsum | i might go for the inscriptions thing |
| 00:39.14 | Ellipsis | the reason your guild isn't in BT isn't because of the items you're wearing |
| 00:39.25 | kenlyric_ | chexsum: oh, me too I think, but not until 80. |
| 00:39.26 | Antiarc | I haven't really had a problem with being guild-bound in all of BC so far |
| 00:39.30 | chexsum | epends what the bop ones are |
| 00:39.41 | kenlyric_ | Antiarc: recruting? |
| 00:39.43 | Antiarc | Err, gear-bound |
| 00:39.48 | Diao | yeah it's obviously because we suck |
| 00:39.54 | Diao | so we can't progress :P |
| 00:40.02 | kenlyric_ | chexsum: doesn't matter. levelling gear from professions is *never* worth it. |
| 00:40.04 | Ellipsis | that's not what I said |
| 00:40.06 | chexsum | my guild sucks also :( |
| 00:40.07 | kenlyric_ | nothing is ever *that* hard :) |
| 00:40.18 | Diao | having those patterns sellable |
| 00:40.19 | Ellipsis | I just said the gap will grow wider, even as guilds at both levels are progressing |
| 00:40.21 | Diao | makes it easier for both parties |
| 00:40.28 | Diao | they get more gold to spend on consumables to learn encounters |
| 00:40.32 | chexsum | we can barely get a kara group going lol |
| 00:40.32 | Diao | we get better gear so we can down bosses faster |
| 00:40.34 | kenlyric_ | why does a gap matter? |
| 00:40.38 | kenlyric_ | who cares what other people are doing? |
| 00:40.49 | Diao | they're helping us catch up at this point |
| 00:40.53 | Ellipsis | kenlyric_: it matters for anyone trying to get from a raiding guild to a high-end raiding guild |
| 00:41.14 | kenlyric_ | it hurts you to get better gear? |
| 00:41.21 | kenlyric_ | that doesn't make any sense at all. |
| 00:41.27 | Ellipsis | that's not what I said |
| 00:41.30 | Antiarc | I'm really having trouble comprehending the logic here |
| 00:41.33 | kenlyric_ | a high-end guild is going to want you MORE if you have better gear. |
| 00:41.38 | chexsum | pvp gear > anythign else :P |
| 00:41.40 | kenlyric_ | with equivalent levels of experience. |
| 00:41.40 | Ellipsis | getting that upgrade benefits YOU PERSONALLY |
| 00:41.49 | Ellipsis | but widens the gap |
| 00:41.53 | kenlyric_ | what gap? |
| 00:42.01 | kenlyric_ | I think you made up this gap |
| 00:42.04 | Ellipsis | the gap between mid-level raiding and high-end raiding |
| 00:42.25 | Ellipsis | it's not a noticable difference on the scale of one person buying one BT recipe |
| 00:42.33 | kenlyric_ | how? your gear gets better. The high end guild stays where it's at, farming BT. |
| 00:42.43 | kenlyric_ | the gap between you and the high end guild raiders closes. |
| 00:42.45 | Ellipsis | kenlyric_: farming, sure, but once there's progression again... |
| 00:43.05 | Antiarc | High-end guilds don't really need people buying patterns in order to progress. |
| 00:43.06 | Diao | so they introduce a new instance (sunwell) in the next patch |
| 00:43.07 | Ellipsis | I give up, nobody wants to hear my thoughts anyway |
| 00:43.14 | Antiarc | It's nice and just means you can skip dailies a few days out of the weke |
| 00:43.14 | Diao | that guild is going to work on it immediately either way |
| 00:43.20 | Diao | whether or not you bought the pattern |
| 00:43.23 | Antiarc | But it isn't going to make or break any progression guild by a long shot |
| 00:43.30 | Diao | an extra few thousand gold |
| 00:43.32 | kenlyric_ | Ellipsis: I like hearing thoughts that make sense. |
| 00:43.33 | Ellipsis | Diao: yes, but they'll get farther if they can afford the wipes |
| 00:43.37 | Knaledge | are we talking about money in a high end guild? |
| 00:43.41 | Diao | .... |
| 00:43.43 | Knaledge | if so - they don't need your money |
| 00:43.43 | Antiarc | Err. |
| 00:43.49 | Antiarc | You can make over 100g/day doing dailies. |
| 00:43.54 | kenlyric_ | imagine a world where you don't have teh recipes. Now your gear progresses at a slower rate than it did with recipe. |
| 00:44.03 | kenlyric_ | the gap between you and the high-end raiders is larger. |
| 00:44.05 | Antiarc | If you're wiping that hardcore, take an hour and do dailies and you break even. |
| 00:44.05 | Knaledge | we have over 30k gold across the banks |
| 00:44.09 | kenlyric_ | it's the exact opposite of your arguement |
| 00:44.11 | chexsum | 80 if you have no epic flyer |
| 00:44.14 | Diao | seriously |
| 00:44.15 | Ellipsis | kenlyric_: like I said, on a personal scale it's the reverse |
| 00:44.19 | Diao | right now |
| 00:44.19 | Ellipsis | you buy a recipe, you gain a bit |
| 00:44.22 | Diao | those guilds are limited by the raids |
| 00:44.24 | Ellipsis | but everyone else loses a bit |
| 00:44.25 | Diao | they can only farm bt |
| 00:44.28 | Diao | however |
| 00:44.30 | chexsum | the next patch will let non epic flyer'd people get >100/day though |
| 00:44.32 | Diao | guilds like mine |
| 00:44.34 | kenlyric_ | how does everyone else lose a bit? |
| 00:44.35 | Ellipsis | Diao: right now, yeah |
| 00:44.35 | Diao | are slowly catching up to them |
| 00:44.39 | kenlyric_ | they stay the same? |
| 00:44.40 | Diao | so when the next instance is released |
| 00:44.44 | Diao | we've actually closed the gap |
| 00:44.52 | Ellipsis | I'm not going to try and explain this to you guys |
| 00:44.56 | kenlyric_ | being able to sell the paterns doesn't push the high-end guilds any further. |
| 00:45.03 | Knaledge | why would it? |
| 00:45.06 | kenlyric_ | obviously, since you're not doing a very good job. |
| 00:45.07 | Knaledge | is that the arguement? |
| 00:45.07 | Antiarc | Ellipsis: Out of curiosity, what level of progression are you raiding at? |
| 00:45.16 | Ellipsis | Antiarc: I don't raid |
| 00:45.19 | Antiarc | Ah. |
| 00:45.20 | Ellipsis | I used to |
| 00:45.27 | Ellipsis | before TBC |
| 00:45.40 | Antiarc | Dailies changed a lot. |
| 00:45.41 | kenlyric_ | Knaledge: as far as I can tell, the argument is that the money high-end guilds earn advance them further beyond lower guilds. |
| 00:45.47 | kenlyric_ | because money = progression? |
| 00:45.56 | Knaledge | uh.. no |
| 00:45.59 | Knaledge | that makes no sense. |
| 00:46.02 | Knaledge | we dont need your money |
| 00:46.05 | kenlyric_ | well, exactly. |
| 00:46.38 | Ellipsis | in an ideal world, with an ideal guild, there should only be three things limiting your progression |
| 00:46.38 | Knaledge | and any money we do get gos right back into the guild to progress alts for professions |
| 00:46.43 | JoshBorke | ~lart antiarc |
| 00:46.43 | purl | takes out a cattle prod and gives antiarc a good jolt |
| 00:46.52 | Ellipsis | one is the actual existence of raids you haven't conquered |
| 00:46.55 | Ellipsis | two is gear |
| 00:46.56 | Ellipsis | and three is money |
| 00:47.06 | kenlyric_ | it's never money. |
| 00:47.06 | Antiarc | Eh? |
| 00:47.07 | chexsum | pft |
| 00:47.15 | Knaledge | money is not an issue |
| 00:47.16 | JoshBorke | stupidity |
| 00:47.18 | Antiarc | The only thing limiting progression tends to be a) keys, and b) raid skill |
| 00:47.21 | Knaledge | maybe for mats for pots, etc. |
| 00:47.25 | kenlyric_ | it's gear, stupidity, and time |
| 00:47.31 | chexsum | time, commitment and experience is the 3 |
| 00:47.34 | Knaledge | but yeah I'd say it's more like |
| 00:47.35 | Ellipsis | stupidity is not an issue in the ideal guild |
| 00:47.38 | Knaledge | 1) dedication |
| 00:47.40 | Knaledge | 2) experience |
| 00:47.43 | Knaledge | 3) patience |
| 00:47.45 | Ellipsis | neither are any of those |
| 00:47.47 | Diao | money is never an issue for raiding guilds |
| 00:47.48 | Antiarc | Well then, the ideal guild doesn't wipe, and thus doesn't need a lot of money :P |
| 00:47.48 | Ellipsis | I'm talking about outside factors |
| 00:47.50 | Diao | ever |
| 00:47.53 | Knaledge | if you have the experience you have the gear |
| 00:48.02 | Knaledge | if you have the dedication you have the money |
| 00:48.05 | Ellipsis | the ideal guild still has unlucky pulls, etc. |
| 00:48.07 | chexsum | people downed the end boss in frozen shadow weave etc |
| 00:48.10 | kenlyric_ | no outside factor prevents a guild from progressing. |
| 00:48.10 | Ellipsis | and still needs consumables |
| 00:48.12 | Knaledge | and if you have the patience, yu have the time and the raids |
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| 00:48.17 | kenlyric_ | except gear checks. |
| 00:48.28 | Antiarc | And gear checks are pretty limited in BC |
| 00:48.31 | Knaledge | yeah |
| 00:48.39 | Knaledge | only two main ones are vashj and illidan |
| 00:48.40 | Antiarc | Most all the fights in BC are stupidity checks |
| 00:48.53 | Antiarc | Eh. Vashj isn't really a gear check. It's a skill check. |
| 00:48.54 | Knaledge | some argue void reaver for simplicity |
| 00:49.02 | Knaledge | it's a DPS check, hence gear check |
| 00:49.09 | Knaledge | all about the adds |
| 00:49.15 | kenlyric_ | the only outside factor that ever prevented guilds from advancing was the depression brought on by the mid-level dungeon blues revealed for TBC :) |
| 00:49.20 | chexsum | blizzard doesnt tune bosses enough that theyre not killable by specific group makeups |
| 00:49.30 | Antiarc | Well, I'd argue that Hydross and Leo are the DPS checks there. If you have the DPS for them, you generally have the DPS for Vashj. |
| 00:49.31 | Funkeh` | nn folks |
| 00:49.33 | chexsum | some you just take 10 locks to or 10 hunters and pwn them |
| 00:49.38 | Ellipsis | kenlyric_: so the fact that nothing beyond BT exists isn't limiting guilds with BT on farm? :P |
| 00:49.47 | kenlyric_ | Knaledge: but, is it a hard dps check, where your crappy half-kara gear wouldn't be enough? |
| 00:49.52 | Knaledge | why would it limit them? |
| 00:49.55 | Knaledge | they're done |
| 00:50.02 | Knaledge | they have time to alt farm SSC/TK |
| 00:50.06 | Knaledge | they recoup |
| 00:50.12 | Ellipsis | Knaledge: it is limiting them from progression |
| 00:50.15 | Knaledge | speaking from personal experience here - I don't feel limited. |
| 00:50.17 | Ellipsis | because there's nowhere to progress to |
| 00:50.31 | kenlyric_ | I don't think you know what progression in WoW means. It's not infinite. |
| 00:50.35 | Ellipsis | we're speaking strictly in terms of progression, downing new bosses that haven't been downed yet |
| 00:50.38 | Knaledge | thats like saying the center of the earth is as far as you can dig in the earth |
| 00:50.40 | Knaledge | no shit. |
| 00:50.43 | Ellipsis | kenlyric_: that's part of the point |
| 00:50.55 | kenlyric_ | yes, it's part of a point, but not your point. |
| 00:51.03 | Ellipsis | it's part of my point, yes |
| 00:51.06 | kenlyric_ | it's in fact the opposite of your point. |
| 00:51.12 | kenlyric_ | since progression stops at the top end |
| 00:51.13 | Ellipsis | like I said, that's the top limiting factor |
| 00:51.14 | kenlyric_ | gap closes. |
| 00:51.17 | Ellipsis | out of the three I listed. |
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| 00:51.33 | Knaledge | the three you listed aren't the sources however |
| 00:51.42 | Knaledge | it's always dedication, experience, and patience |
| 00:51.46 | Knaledge | always period. |
| 00:51.52 | yssaril | is babble broke for anyone else atm? |
| 00:51.55 | Antiarc | Well, and lack of stupidity :P |
| 00:52.06 | Knaledge | experience ;) |
| 00:52.14 | Knaledge | and I guess patience there? heh |
| 00:52.14 | Antiarc | Heh, not always the same! |
| 00:52.16 | kenlyric_ | no |
| 00:52.22 | Ellipsis | Knaledge: those are not external factors, you fail |
| 00:52.26 | kenlyric_ | you can experience a fight 1000 times and still be dumb about it. |
| 00:52.27 | Antiarc | We have, uh, some rather experienced raiders who just sorta cap on skill at a point. |
| 00:52.28 | yssaril | nm i think i figured it out |
| 00:52.41 | Knaledge | yes I fail ellipsis. |
| 00:52.48 | Knaledge | I've killed illidna, I fail. |
| 00:52.54 | Knaledge | stupid me and my stupid progression |
| 00:52.57 | Knaledge | I should cancel my sub. |
| 00:53.01 | kenlyric_ | you can't create new limitations later in the argument. |
| 00:53.04 | Ellipsis | I don't care whom you've killed, you still fail at the argument. |
| 00:53.08 | Knaledge | lol |
| 00:53.10 | Ellipsis | kenlyric_: I'm not |
| 00:53.22 | Ellipsis | [5:45:59 pm] <Ellipsis> in an ideal world, with an ideal guild, there should only be three things limiting your progression |
| 00:53.23 | Knaledge | hey ellipsis go raid something then come back and discuss it |
| 00:53.36 | kenlyric_ | 20:46]<Ellipsis>in an ideal world, with an ideal guild, there should only be three things limiting your progression |
| 00:53.42 | Knaledge | I won't tell you how to PvP |
| 00:53.46 | kenlyric_ | you added "external factors" later in the argument. |
| 00:53.47 | Knaledge | or pug |
| 00:53.48 | Ellipsis | an ideal guild means people who have a freaking clueu |
| 00:53.53 | chexsum | rogues have it easy when it comes to raiding - just keep slice n dice up lol |
| 00:54.02 | Ellipsis | ideal guild encompasses dedication, experience, patience, intelligence, skill |
| 00:54.04 | Ellipsis | all that crap |
| 00:54.22 | Ellipsis | external factors is everything outside of the ideal guild |
| 00:54.26 | Antiarc | Keep SnD up, keep Rupture up, keep your Deadly stack up, keep BF up when possible, keep haste pots up when possible. <_< |
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| 00:54.40 | Knaledge | BF = useless unless trash |
| 00:54.45 | Antiarc | Lies. |
| 00:54.48 | Knaledge | maybe like two fights. |
| 00:54.49 | Antiarc | BF has inherent haste. |
| 00:54.51 | Diao | bf is a lovely dps boost |
| 00:54.53 | Antiarc | Which stacks with SnD |
| 00:54.59 | Antiarc | And is thus worth using on a single target. |
| 00:55.04 | kenlyric_ | so, in a perfect world with perfect guilds and no gear checks and no learning needed, guilds are limited by how much money they have? |
| 00:55.14 | Ellipsis | I didn't say anything about no gear checks or no learning |
| 00:55.25 | Ellipsis | gear checks exist, and that's why I listed gear as a limitation |
| 00:55.30 | kenlyric_ | but what does this have to do with money? |
| 00:55.40 | Ellipsis | re-read what I said. |
| 00:55.47 | Knaledge | yeah and what does gear have to do with anything? |
| 00:55.53 | Diao | i can't really think of any guilds that can't afford to spend hundreds of gold on repairs though |
| 00:55.53 | Ellipsis | one is Blizz's addition of new content, two is gear, three is money |
| 00:55.54 | Knaledge | you have experience raiding, you have the gear |
| 00:55.56 | kenlyric_ | I am. I can't make sense of it. |
| 00:56.07 | kenlyric_ | which is why I'm trying to get you to make sense of it. |
| 00:56.21 | kenlyric_ | I think you're just flat wrong about money. |
| 00:56.24 | Ellipsis | if there's content out there that hasn't been cleared, and you have the gear to clear it, money is the only issue |
| 00:56.34 | Ellipsis | (assuming, as before, an ideal guild) |
| 00:56.50 | Diao | money is only an issue if you don't have enough |
| 00:56.58 | Diao | high end raiding guilds tend to have more than enough, whether or not they sell those patterns |
| 00:57.06 | Ellipsis | let me rephrase, money is only a POTENTIAL issue |
| 00:57.11 | Xinhuan | i'm afraid i'm not understanding it either. why is money a limiting factor? |
| 00:57.13 | kenlyric_ | and, even if you're not wrong about money, I don't see how it widens the gap between two guilds |
| 00:57.14 | Antiarc | To be clear, SnD + BF is 56% haste, which is sorta hot, especially given that haste tends to increase WF and CP procs <_< |
| 00:57.40 | Ellipsis | people with money progress faster than people without it |
| 00:57.45 | kenlyric_ | back when you had to flask/multiple pot up every raider, I could see money being a limiting factor. |
| 00:57.45 | Antiarc | Ellipsis: A bunch of people who are doing end-game raiding are saying that money is not an issue for any guild doing high-end end-game raiding. |
| 00:57.46 | Xinhuan | why so? |
| 00:57.50 | Knaledge | I look at BF as waste though because it;s only there for such a short period and gone for so long. |
| 00:57.53 | kenlyric_ | Ellipsis: I think you're just wrong about that. |
| 00:57.55 | Knaledge | I like it sure |
| 00:57.59 | Antiarc | It just isn't an issue, and we speak from experience. |
| 00:58.01 | Knaledge | but tin the overall grand scheme |
| 00:58.02 | Xinhuan | i lead a BT/Hyjal guild and my guild doesn't need money to raid with |
| 00:58.03 | Ellipsis | Antiarc: I didn't say it *is* an issue |
| 00:58.11 | Antiarc | Knaledge: It has 12.5% coverage when used properly :) |
| 00:58.18 | Ellipsis | I said it's the only potential issue after the content and gear are in place |
| 00:58.33 | Antiarc | It's just not and issue in practice, so it's kinda silly to argue that it could be one |
| 00:58.34 | Xinhuan | i still fail to see why money is a potential issue, as you claim |
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| 00:58.44 | Xinhuan | what is money needed for? |
| 00:58.51 | Antiarc | I mean, the west coast could fall into the ocean and limit our progression by killing a third of our raid, but I don't see it happening. |
| 00:58.56 | Xinhuan | why is it Potentially an issue? |
| 00:59.05 | Xinhuan | i can't see it |
| 00:59.09 | MrMadison | Hello, ACEers. |
| 00:59.13 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: if you can't afford to buff up, repair, etc. |
| 00:59.22 | chexsum | level a herbalist/allchemist if you dont want to pay money for pots :P |
| 00:59.26 | kenlyric_ | CANT RAID, TOO POOR TO REPAIR |
| 00:59.28 | Xinhuan | uh dailies give 100g a day with 1 hour of work |
| 00:59.30 | Xinhuan | are you kidding me? |
| 00:59.41 | Xinhuan | even tanks don't need more than 60g repairs a day |
| 00:59.48 | kenlyric_ | Ellipsis: well, you're not dealing with an ideal guild then. |
| 00:59.52 | Diao | what if you wipe 40 times on one boss! |
| 00:59.53 | Ellipsis | money pays for consumables, money pays for enchants etc., money pays for repairs, money pays for a lot of things |
| 00:59.53 | kenlyric_ | cause your raiders are fucking lazy |
| 00:59.57 | Xinhuan | your ideal guild is far from ideal |
| 00:59.59 | Gnarfoz | I interject with this notion: the issue at hand is wether you actually know shit about what you're arguing about! :D |
| 01:00.01 | Diao | (in that case you suck but still) |
| 01:00.04 | Xinhuan | if your members can't farm their own gold |
| 01:00.13 | Codayus | Dailies aren't that fast... Not if you lack an epic mount, which the lazy will, of course. |
| 01:00.18 | nymbia | ahem: |
| 01:00.21 | nymbia | your mother. |
| 01:00.23 | Ellipsis | if the guild is paying for it, the raiders won't |
| 01:00.24 | Diao | lol |
| 01:00.26 | Knaledge | I dont have an epic mount |
| 01:00.30 | Gnarfoz | nymbia: no u. |
| 01:00.36 | Knaledge | I guess I am lazy but tbh it doesn't matter to me |
| 01:00.37 | Diao | the epic mount is worth it too.. you open up more dailies which leads to more gold |
| 01:00.42 | Xinhuan | but an ideal guild doesn't need the guild to pay for their member repairs? |
| 01:00.45 | Kemayo | Diao: Check the settings -- do you have "Objective Progress" enabled? |
| 01:00.45 | Diao | it's a high RoI |
| 01:00.46 | Knaledge | that 5k gold went to enchants, gems, professions, etc. |
| 01:00.54 | Diao | 1 sec Kemayo |
| 01:00.56 | Diao | let me login |
| 01:00.58 | Codayus | (Still, 1 round of dailies will still cover a LOT of repairs and consumables. |
| 01:01.03 | Diao | i remember everything being enabled though |
| 01:01.12 | kenlyric_ | even if you allow the supposition that money allows guilds to progress faster, does it actually make them progress faster than getting gear upgrades will make the mid-level guild advance? |
| 01:01.20 | chexsum | therell be 10 dailies without the need of an epic mount after the patch |
| 01:01.24 | kenlyric_ | Knaledge: that's why you get the epic first and use it to get money :) |
| 01:01.37 | chexsum | i doubt ill ever get an epic flyer |
| 01:01.40 | Gnarfoz | kenlyric_: no way :> |
| 01:01.41 | Ellipsis | kenlyric_: since the 3 guilds' worth of pattern drops are spread amongst 30 guilds, yes. |
| 01:01.50 | Thelyna | Tekkub: note objectives in my Tourguide don't have line breaks, is that slated to be fixed? |
| 01:01.51 | Knaledge | meh. I might get one soon but I'm priortizing more so |
| 01:02.03 | Knaledge | now that we're finished and farming SSC/TK/Hyjal |
| 01:02.13 | kenlyric_ | i'm pondering if I want one on my hunter or not. |
| 01:02.16 | Knaledge | its going to be easier for me to not have to donate, etc. |
| 01:02.26 | Diao | yep it's enabled Kemayo |
| 01:02.31 | Codayus | I blew my cash reserves respeccing from holy to shadow. FSW, Spellstrike, Crusade card... Epic mount for me is a long way off. |
| 01:02.33 | chexsum | ive got lvl 40 epi pvp mounts because i never bothered t get the v 60 training unti li needed a normal flyer lol |
| 01:02.35 | kenlyric_ | he's at about 2800g with SMV and all the group quests from BEM/Netherstorm |
| 01:03.01 | kenlyric_ | err, left to go. |
| 01:03.02 | Kemayo | Diao: Okay, I need to get some deadline work done -- after that I'll log in and see if I can work out the problem. |
| 01:03.10 | Diao | sure, it's not much of an issue |
| 01:03.17 | Diao | since i can see the quest updates in the quest tracker |
| 01:04.12 | chexsum | i blow money speccing to run around as a skeeton smiting people in pvp |
| 01:04.29 | chexsum | skeleton = noggenfogger - even more money wasted heh |
| 01:04.31 | kenlyric_ | but, I don't know if I really want to do anything with this guy, so I'm thinking about just transfering it back to my priest for her to use. |
| 01:04.41 | kenlyric_ | skelly? I go for small. |
| 01:05.00 | kenlyric_ | tiny kitty mount is adorable |
| 01:05.14 | chexsum | if id rolled a male undead instead of female id be rich from not needing to use noggenfogger for the cooler animations |
| 01:05.18 | Diao | yea i go for tiny |
| 01:05.22 | Diao | tiny is awesome |
| 01:05.44 | chexsum | i hate the way undead males run though :( |
| 01:05.59 | kenlyric_ | we all make tradeoffs. |
| 01:06.13 | kenlyric_ | I traded superior night elf jumping graphics for +10% spirit :) |
| 01:06.29 | Thelyna | I traded looking good for fear ward .. oops? |
| 01:06.32 | Diao | i traded escape artist for stun resist and bloodfury because my friends wanted to roll horde |
| 01:06.36 | kenlyric_ | yeah, oops |
| 01:06.40 | kenlyric_ | lol at U |
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| 01:06.47 | chexsum | i might roll dwarf priest for wotlk |
| 01:06.50 | kenlyric_ | you must be a poor dwarf :) |
| 01:07.03 | kenlyric_ | rendered the worst priest in the game. trolls laugh at you. |
| 01:07.12 | Thelyna | chastise. |
| 01:07.20 | kenlyric_ | yeah, draenei get that too. |
| 01:07.25 | Thelyna | it's better than a self mana burn. |
| 01:07.38 | kenlyric_ | they also get group mana regen and hit. so, clearly win. |
| 01:07.38 | Codayus | For PvP, dwarfs are good, and definetly not the worst. |
| 01:07.45 | Codayus | Whereas....feedback. Yeah. :-/ |
| 01:07.47 | kenlyric_ | Codayus: but, blind! |
| 01:08.02 | Thelyna | yeah ken, spacemen weren't around when I originally rolled my dwarf |
| 01:08.04 | Codayus | And stoneform isn't bad, if we're talking about racials. |
| 01:08.05 | Antiarc | Dwarves are a lot less powerful in PVP as of 2.3 due to the blind change. |
| 01:08.14 | Antiarc | Since Blind is the big threat there. |
| 01:08.14 | Codayus | True. |
| 01:08.18 | kenlyric_ | Thelyna: same for me when rolling human, even though I could have waited a month :/ |
| 01:08.24 | chexsum | i just like their vice emotes |
| 01:08.31 | Codayus | But, come on, humans get feedback. :-( |
| 01:08.31 | chexsum | who cares about skills |
| 01:08.35 | chexsum | voice |
| 01:08.38 | kenlyric_ | yeah, i have no idea what blind does, just on the forums priests are like "BLIND" |
| 01:08.43 | kenlyric_ | *dwarf priests |
| 01:09.05 | Antiarc | Blind is a 10-sec CC, breaks on damage. Currently a poison so dwarves can stoneform out of it. |
| 01:09.13 | kenlyric_ | Codayus: it's all about relative comparison of all possible racials, and I'd say by far dwaves get the short stick. |
| 01:09.16 | Thelyna | blind is hardly a problem for my priest, since I get focused to hell |
| 01:09.18 | Antiarc | In 2.3 it's physical, so stoneform won't work on it. |
| 01:09.41 | kenlyric_ | Antiarc: I know that, but is it an important change for pvp? |
| 01:09.47 | Antiarc | Extremely. |
| 01:09.58 | kenlyric_ | so, that supports my general argument that dwarves = sad :) |
| 01:10.06 | Antiarc | 10 sec of unremovable CC on a healer? That's enough to turn most 2v2/3v3 matches. |
| 01:10.08 | Thelyna | how many situations are you trying to CC the priest rather than kill it, Antiarc? |
| 01:10.12 | Diao | many |
| 01:10.16 | Diao | because holy priests are a bitch to kill |
| 01:10.16 | chexsum | lol |
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| 01:10.19 | Antiarc | Thelyna: Any 2v2 or 3v3 with cloth DPS? |
| 01:10.21 | kenlyric_ | 2v2 match sounds like a really good one. |
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| 01:10.28 | Thelyna | true |
| 01:10.31 | chexsum | if you dont kill a priest first in pvp you dont know what youre doing |
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| 01:10.44 | Thelyna | except I run shadow priest/arms warrior, guess who gets blown up first there? |
| 01:10.53 | Diao | the warrior :O |
| 01:11.03 | Thelyna | (for bonus marks, I have 44 resil in my pvp gear.) |
| 01:11.07 | kenlyric_ | and you have to consider that 97% of all dwarf priests were rolled specifically for fear ward, so that loss hurts them :) |
| 01:11.09 | Antiarc | ....heh |
| 01:11.32 | Thelyna | I've been killed in the duration of a cheap shot by a rogue/enh shammy :/ |
| 01:11.41 | chexsum | the 3% rolled dwarf for the dance |
| 01:11.42 | Antiarc | With only 44 resil, yeah, not too surprising |
| 01:11.42 | JoshBorke | 955 shadow damage!@ http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormreaver&n=Dagh |
| 01:11.50 | Antiarc | A 300+ resil priest can be a bitch to kill though. |
| 01:11.53 | JoshBorke | i rolled dwarf for the beird |
| 01:11.57 | Thelyna | oh yeah, for sure |
| 01:11.57 | JoshBorke | s/beird/beard/ |
| 01:12.00 | tsigo | can anyone verify this? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2520308353&sid=1 |
| 01:12.00 | kenlyric_ | no, 3% rolled because of random clicking. |
| 01:12.07 | Diao | lol |
| 01:12.08 | chexsum | ive got 495 resilience on my priest |
| 01:12.14 | Diao | yea |
| 01:12.16 | Diao | i was about to say that |
| 01:12.19 | Diao | try killing a 495 resil priest |
| 01:12.21 | kenlyric_ | I rolled night elf for wisp and shadowform. |
| 01:12.22 | Diao | it's practically impossible |
| 01:12.24 | chexsum | its fun running a flag through 10 alliance |
| 01:12.26 | Antiarc | Especially if they're shadow |
| 01:12.32 | Antiarc | You basically just CC them and leave them for last. |
| 01:13.04 | chexsum | in shadowform gear i have 430 resilience |
| 01:13.10 | kenlyric_ | i like that i get tiny additional bonus from the change in meditation. |
| 01:13.16 | kenlyric_ | nobody else gets that :) |
| 01:13.31 | Diao | lol |
| 01:13.54 | kenlyric_ | it's still less than half of what draenei have by default, but... eh. |
| 01:14.32 | chexsum | dranei are so ugly it makes me cry |
| 01:14.39 | Thelyna | if I land up rerolling on EU, it'll probably be draenai shadow priest |
| 01:14.58 | Thelyna | hooves, a tail, and mind flay. |
| 01:15.09 | kenlyric_ | and 1k free mana every five minutes. |
| 01:15.25 | RaydenUni | what about 1k free mana every 5 min? |
| 01:15.30 | Thelyna | that too |
| 01:15.45 | `Zypher | =D |
| 01:15.48 | NightHawkTheSan1 | go go draenei priest racials. |
| 01:15.58 | chexsum | theyre ugly |
| 01:16.00 | `Zypher | ir Draenei Prest =D |
| 01:16.00 | Thelyna | symbol of hope is gunna get nerfed at some point |
| 01:16.03 | `Zypher | lies |
| 01:16.08 | kenlyric_ | I really need to sit down and work out the hard math for human spirit vs draenei dealy. |
| 01:16.11 | `Zypher | Draenei = bestest |
| 01:16.14 | NightHawkTheSan1 | likely, Thelyna |
| 01:16.18 | Trell_ | Female Draenei shaman - the tail does it for me :x |
| 01:16.23 | Thelyna | anyone here familiar with writing tourguide guides? |
| 01:16.31 | kenlyric_ | even if it gets nerfed to working only the priest, it's better than human spirit. |
| 01:16.33 | `Zypher | =[ |
| 01:16.36 | RaydenUni | but priests get free mana from their pet anyways |
| 01:16.38 | kenlyric_ | and it's multiplied by 5.... |
| 01:17.01 | Trell_ | talking of which are there any better legs for a shammy in their 50's - im still wearing the sm legs for the str and stam |
| 01:17.09 | Thelyna | hell, the primary beneficiary of symbol of hope is the priest in my opinion |
| 01:17.36 | kenlyric_ | Thelyna: sure, i'd only measure it by what it does for the priest because I'm a selfish bastard. |
| 01:17.47 | Thelyna | everyone else just gets more free mana, but it's a decent sustainability boost for the priest |
| 01:17.53 | kenlyric_ | especially when you're in a group with the rogues and all the casters get the shadowpriest. Fuck em |
| 01:18.00 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Trell_: meh, find some nice 57-58 outland greens on the AH, and grind it out to that level. :P |
| 01:18.25 | Thelyna | compared to a non-draenai, draenai batteries can pump out more juice for longer |
| 01:18.42 | `Zypher | true dat =D |
| 01:18.57 | kenlyric_ | off the top of your head, 70 spirit yields how much mp5 outside of casting? |
| 01:19.08 | kenlyric_ | i'll go look it up if nobody can skip it from the top of their head |
| 01:19.11 | Thelyna | uhh |
| 01:19.14 | Thelyna | 70/4 I think |
| 01:19.19 | Thelyna | which is 17.5? |
| 01:19.40 | Thelyna | (if I say "uhh" before a factual question, you'd best go look it up) |
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| 01:19.45 | CIA-7 | Babble-2.2: |
| 01:19.45 | CIA-7 | -Boss: Update zhTW translation. |
| 01:20.08 | chexsum | i think its a bit more when talented |
| 01:20.21 | kenlyric_ | not while outside of casting. |
| 01:21.24 | Thelyna | outside of casting regen = mp5 regen + spirit regen. untalented in-casting regen = mp5. talented in-casting regen: mp5 + 15%/30% of spirit regen? |
| 01:21.30 | Codayus | kenlyric_: Depends what you mean, but yes, talented, you'll gain more mana outside of casting... |
| 01:21.38 | Codayus | Don't forget the spirit bonus from imp death. |
| 01:21.39 | Codayus | :-) |
| 01:21.48 | Thelyna | by talented I mean meditation, or that druid talent |
| 01:21.51 | Thelyna | or mage armor |
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| 01:21.57 | kenlyric_ | I'm leaving all that out of the factoring. Just doing extremes. |
| 01:22.02 | Codayus | (That assumes you meant 70 spirit from gear - ie, before talents - however.) |
| 01:22.08 | kenlyric_ | it's a better starting point. |
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| 01:24.36 | kenlyric_ | spirit/4 +12.5 = per tick. |
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| 01:26.35 | kenlyric_ | but the 12.5 is already in the base, so I can remove that... 17.5 *2.5 = 43.75 mp5 |
| 01:27.21 | kenlyric_ | that just seems too high. |
| 01:27.25 | Thelyna | where's the 2.5 from? |
| 01:27.33 | kenlyric_ | tick is 2 seconds. |
| 01:27.45 | Thelyna | sounds about right then |
| 01:28.04 | Thelyna | if you can wangle some good oofsr time as a priest you can get a ton of mana |
| 01:28.08 | kenlyric_ | so the number of mp5 ticks in five minutes is is 60, I think. |
| 01:28.23 | kenlyric_ | 2625 mana restored every five minutes if you never cast. |
| 01:28.24 | Thelyna | 5*10=60, so yes |
| 01:28.42 | Thelyna | if you never cast you don't need mana anyway |
| 01:28.43 | kenlyric_ | vs 999 mana restored every five minutes. |
| 01:28.56 | kenlyric_ | right, just getting my footing on one extreme :) |
| 01:29.18 | Thelyna | now, the other extreme, 100% FSR time with 15% med |
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| 01:29.50 | Thelyna | in which case you get 393.75 mana from the 70 spirit |
| 01:29.51 | kenlyric_ | 393 |
| 01:30.08 | Thelyna | or with the 2.3 med, 788 mana |
| 01:30.29 | Thelyna | where does the 70 spirit come from anyway? |
| 01:30.40 | kenlyric_ | 700 spirit was the most i ever had in a raid. |
| 01:31.01 | kenlyric_ | so I was getting about 70 spirit from human spirit. |
| 01:31.07 | Thelyna | ahh |
| 01:31.10 | kenlyric_ | the numbers obviously fluctuate. |
| 01:31.46 | Thelyna | if you manage 50% oofsr time in 2.3, you get on average 0.65 of your spirit regen |
| 01:32.02 | Thelyna | hmm |
| 01:32.09 | Thelyna | where the hell did 0.65 come from? |
| 01:32.24 | kenlyric_ | my brain is currently failing at the math on this part. |
| 01:32.34 | Thelyna | oh, right ... 50% of 100%, 50% of 30% average = 65% |
| 01:33.07 | Thelyna | which makes 1700 mana if you're spirit stacking and can get 50% oofsr |
| 01:33.12 | kenlyric_ | i'd say that 25% oofsr is a better number. |
| 01:33.27 | Codayus | I find that estimating 75% of time spent inside the FSR is a good rule of thumb. |
| 01:33.41 | Thelyna | k, then that's 0.25*100+0.75*30 |
| 01:34.06 | Thelyna | or 1250 mana |
| 01:34.14 | kenlyric_ | WIN! |
| 01:34.42 | Thelyna | so ... human spirit is better than symbol of hope if you have more than 650ish spirit unbuffed? |
| 01:35.04 | kenlyric_ | well, buffed. |
| 01:35.22 | Thelyna | what's the command to see when purl last saw someone? wondering if tekkub is around |
| 01:35.25 | kenlyric_ | you've got BoK and MotW going for you, too :) |
| 01:35.32 | Codayus | And then there's innervates, bangle procs, the passive +heal bonus from talents, etc. |
| 01:35.36 | Thelyna | true |
| 01:35.46 | Codayus | Minor in comparison, of course. |
| 01:36.02 | kenlyric_ | but still, human > * if you're a selfish whore. |
| 01:36.03 | Thelyna | if you turn around and look at it from a shadow side, I'm pretty sure symbol of hope rocks all over human spirit |
| 01:36.10 | Thelyna | even for solo |
| 01:36.17 | Codayus | Thelyna: Sssh. |
| 01:36.22 | kenlyric_ | if you consider the other four people who get 999mana from symbol of hope, it wins. |
| 01:36.48 | Thelyna | kenlyric: who cares about them? they can manage their own mana |
| 01:36.49 | Thelyna | :p |
| 01:36.53 | kenlyric_ | exactly. |
| 01:37.19 | Thelyna | ~seen Tekkub |
| 01:37.24 | purl | tekkub is currently on #wowhead (2h 54m 21s) #wowace (2h 54m 21s) #wowwiki (2h 54m 21s), last said: 'damn those oink seeds!'. |
| 01:37.24 | Kalman| | So what exactly got done with chat throttling? |
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| 01:39.46 | kenlyric_ | the spell damage in the new heal/spell damage conversion isn't holy, is it? |
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| 01:39.53 | CIA-7 | AutoBar: |
| 01:39.53 | CIA-7 | -- Move keybinds lower down in the refresh hierarchy |
| 01:39.57 | kenlyric_ | eh, I guess it couldn't be, druids and all |
| 01:40.11 | Thelyna | nope, straight +dmg |
| 01:40.15 | kenlyric_ | shadow spec with my healing gear on and spirit ttap = sexy |
| 01:40.27 | kenlyric_ | way better than symbol of hope :) |
| 01:40.59 | Thelyna | true ... but your damage (and VT return) is gunna suck compared to a tailored shadow priest |
| 01:41.18 | kenlyric_ | not a tailored shadow priest in my other damage gear... |
| 01:41.50 | kenlyric_ | actually, my damage gear is about equivalent ilevel as my healing gear because of the abundance of damage drops nobody wanted. |
| 01:42.04 | kenlyric_ | thank you god for karazhan gear sucking ass for a couple months |
| 01:42.21 | kenlyric_ | "no, I don't want that, my blue gear from arcatraz is better" muwahahaha |
| 01:42.42 | Ellipsis | lulz |
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| 01:45.07 | kenlyric_ | i'm pretty sure i'm keeping my damage neck and wand on for doing damage. |
| 01:45.32 | kenlyric_ | I might have one whole purple set! |
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| 01:47.19 | MrMadison | hello. kaelten, are you around? |
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| 01:49.06 | MrMadison | kaelten, mind if I ask you a question about KC_items that i know you've heard a million times? |
| 01:49.15 | RaydenUni | how much hit to warlocks need? |
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| 01:49.45 | MrMadison | guess he does mind. heh. |
| 01:49.47 | RaydenUni | +hit do they need |
| 01:50.36 | Thelyna | Rayden: 88 if they're affliction and have full supression, but then they don't get full hit on shadowbolt and soul shatter |
| 01:50.51 | Thelyna | 202 is the maximum cap for any spec, that's 16% hit |
| 01:51.29 | buu | What the hell |
| 01:51.34 | buu | How do I move proximo? |
| 01:51.38 | Codayus | Destro really wants 202, affliction benefits. A lot of DPS comes from shadow bolts, even for affliction. :-) |
| 01:51.41 | Ellipsis | use the force, buu |
| 01:51.56 | Thelyna | and my numbers were bad |
| 01:52.02 | buu | Ellipsis: It's not working. |
| 01:52.03 | Thelyna | it's 76 hit for 6% hit |
| 01:52.09 | buu | Codayus: Every lock should have 202 hit. Period. |
| 01:52.23 | Thelyna | depends on your progression level |
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| 01:52.59 | Thelyna | if you're in blues/t4/tailored gear, stacking to 202 hit will hurt your damage |
| 01:53.03 | ZealotOnAStick | I have too much hit right now. |
| 01:53.05 | Thelyna | I think |
| 01:53.15 | RaydenUni | Thelyna |
| 01:53.19 | RaydenUni | !c us destromath morkite |
| 01:53.37 | Ellipsis | wow, I just saw the most epic fail |
| 01:53.38 | Codayus | buu: At some progression levels, 202 hit may be difficult or require unacceptable tradeoffs. Your point stands, of course... |
| 01:53.41 | ZealotOnAStick | +hit, if you're raiding and regularly fighting bosses/l73 mobs, is the single best value until you hit the hit cap. |
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| 01:54.03 | RaydenUni | yeah for my spriest dps from hit was 0.5 something and dps from +dmg was .43 i think |
| 01:54.31 | Ellipsis | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Cenarius&n=Kryptix |
| 01:54.39 | Ellipsis | check out the sockets in the pants |
| 01:54.44 | Thelyna | sure Zealot, but if you're stacking hit at the cost of all else you might overlook a genuine overall dps upgrade |
| 01:55.07 | Codayus | (If you can choose between two items with the same ilvl, one budgeted with hit...sure. If it's a choice between a blue with hit and a T6 drop without? Different story.) |
| 01:55.16 | |Stan| | Ellipsis: omgwtfbbq! |
| 01:55.29 | kaelten_ | sure |
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| 01:55.39 | Ellipsis | that's epic fail in the most literal sense - failing at epix |
| 01:55.54 | |Stan| | I got 3x +9 Spelldmg there |
| 01:56.09 | Kaelten | bah I finally come back and the guy who pinged me went away :s |
| 01:56.15 | Thelyna | RaydenUni: get him to resocket those int gems. stat. |
| 01:56.21 | Ellipsis | Kaelten: clearly you must never leave again |
| 01:56.31 | Kaelten | indeed |
| 01:56.33 | Kaelten | and too bad |
| 01:56.38 | Ellipsis | |Stan|: that's not the point...the point is he has R, Y, B gems in B, Y, R slots |
| 01:56.46 | Ellipsis | if he switched the two gems he'd have 6 more stam |
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| 01:57.22 | kenlyric_ | wow |
| 01:57.25 | kenlyric_ | that's um. |
| 01:57.33 | kenlyric_ | A new, serious level of fail |
| 01:57.36 | kenlyric_ | Magenta fail? |
| 01:58.04 | Ellipsis | ...yeah |
| 01:58.04 | kenlyric_ | i'm hoping it involves bop gems, at least. |
| 01:58.15 | Ellipsis | ...no |
| 01:58.24 | Codayus | Well, to be fair, it's possible that he's halfway through regemming. |
| 01:58.31 | kenlyric_ | nope |
| 01:58.40 | kenlyric_ | bad gems should never go into the armory :) |
| 01:58.44 | Ellipsis | Codayus: he's PvPing in that gear |
| 01:59.01 | Ellipsis | like, I can see him right now, he's flagged |
| 01:59.06 | Ellipsis | at the battlemaster |
| 01:59.06 | Codayus | He was using um... R Y R, and is moving to B Y B, and didn't bother with a socket bonus he'll lose next time he sees the right gem on the AH? |
| 01:59.11 | Codayus | Oh... |
| 01:59.43 | Codayus | Well, it's STILL POSSIBLE he's waiting for a gem from a guildie to arrive in his mailbox, or until he finds a JC to cut it...or something? :-) |
| 01:59.59 | Codayus | (Okay, so yeah, that's epic fail.) |
| 01:59.59 | Ellipsis | even so, why would he have logged out in the meantime |
| 02:00.05 | kenlyric_ | I guess since AH purchases are no longer instant, it's now possible |
| 02:00.14 | Codayus | kenlyric_: Purchases are instant. |
| 02:00.19 | Xinhuan | hint: AH purchases are instant |
| 02:00.25 | Ellipsis | ....what they said |
| 02:00.27 | Ellipsis | ~fail kenlyric_ |
| 02:00.27 | purl | kenlyric_: Fail. |
| 02:00.34 | Codayus | But on my servers AH, often enough a specific gem won't be up at all. |
| 02:00.36 | kenlyric_ | bah! |
| 02:00.40 | kenlyric_ | this is true. |
| 02:00.42 | Codayus | Or only for extortionate amounts. |
| 02:00.44 | Ellipsis | Codayus: this server has plenty of gems up |
| 02:00.45 | Xinhuan | then buy the uncut one |
| 02:00.48 | Xinhuan | and get it to cut |
| 02:00.51 | Ellipsis | and I know, because I was just looking for gems 5 mins ago |
| 02:00.51 | |Stan| | Ellipsis: olol |
| 02:00.56 | Codayus | Heh |
| 02:00.57 | kenlyric_ | Xinhuan: you might not have any friends. |
| 02:01.05 | Codayus | He...ran out of gold....and he's...pvping for more? |
| 02:01.09 | Ellipsis | .... |
| 02:01.14 | Ellipsis | just stop trying |
| 02:01.17 | Ellipsis | he's a tard |
| 02:01.19 | Ellipsis | end of discussion |
| 02:01.31 | Codayus | :-) |
| 02:01.43 | Xinhuan | kenlyric_: Trade Channel. |
| 02:01.52 | kenlyric_ | is that still around? |
| 02:01.58 | kenlyric_ | we call it LFG on my server. |
| 02:02.36 | kenlyric_ | of course, to disprove my point I *successfully* used the Trade channel today to get an adamantite rod. |
| 02:02.38 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 02:02.46 | Ellipsis | there you go kenlyric_ |
| 02:02.48 | Codayus | kenlyric_: Wow! |
| 02:02.55 | Ellipsis | grats on your new rod |
| 02:02.59 | kenlyric_ | first time ever, I'm fairly sure. |
| 02:03.07 | kenlyric_ | my rod is ENCHANTED |
| 02:03.12 | Ellipsis | is it shiny? |
| 02:03.15 | kenlyric_ | now I need to find bozos who need healing on gloves. |
| 02:03.28 | kenlyric_ | because self-financing past 350 is.. egads |
| 02:03.30 | Ellipsis | oh dammit |
| 02:03.37 | Ellipsis | I just missed a spot in kara because I was IRCing |
| 02:03.40 | Ellipsis | I hope you guys are happy |
| 02:03.42 | kenlyric_ | lol |
| 02:03.46 | kenlyric_ | victory is mine! |
| 02:03.50 | Codayus | I'm sorry Ellipsis. :-( |
| 02:03.50 | Wobwork | hurrah! |
| 02:03.59 | kenlyric_ | it's just kara |
| 02:04.01 | Ellipsis | it was gonna be my first kara too :'( |
| 02:04.05 | kenlyric_ | oh crap |
| 02:04.07 | Codayus | On the plus side, I speak from long experience when I say that no item you would have wanted would possibly have dropped. |
| 02:04.07 | Wobwork | I thought you could multitask well =P |
| 02:04.08 | kenlyric_ | that really sucks. |
| 02:04.09 | Ellipsis | I only got keyed uh...two days ago |
| 02:04.10 | Codayus | ....oh. |
| 02:04.11 | kenlyric_ | now you know better |
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| 02:04.15 | Codayus | In that case, I'm very sorry. |
| 02:04.26 | Wobwork | Ellipsis: is it an experienced kara team? |
| 02:04.28 | kenlyric_ | they'll probably shard six things you want. |
| 02:04.32 | RaydenUni | what spells does an affliction warlock generally use? |
| 02:04.34 | Ellipsis | well, yeah, they were supposed to be doing a 25 man tonight but they couldn't get enough people |
| 02:04.35 | Codayus | Still, no items would have dropped if you'd gone. |
| 02:04.46 | Ellipsis | so they decided on alt kara instead |
| 02:04.53 | Codayus | RaydenUni: All dots, spam shadow bolts while waiting ofr them to be reapplied. |
| 02:04.54 | RaydenUni | Ellipsis you got owned |
| 02:05.32 | kenlyric_ | tell them they need additional priests for moroes for lazy kill |
| 02:05.42 | kenlyric_ | why do I think you're a priest? |
| 02:05.52 | Ellipsis | ...yeah |
| 02:05.54 | kenlyric_ | cause I don't think you are. |
| 02:05.55 | Codayus | kenlyric_: YOu think everyone is a priest? |
| 02:05.57 | Ellipsis | I'm a lock |
| 02:06.04 | Codayus | Really? Hmm. |
| 02:06.08 | Ellipsis | and actually, my guild is desperately short of locks |
| 02:06.12 | Codayus | I had a feeling you were a druid for some reason. |
| 02:06.12 | Ellipsis | they invite me to *everything* |
| 02:06.14 | kenlyric_ | oh right, a bad shadow priest. I see my confusion. :) |
| 02:06.26 | kenlyric_ | locks are spriests that don't give mana back :( |
| 02:06.29 | Ellipsis | Codayus: my first 70 was a druid, I raided on her for gruul's/kara... |
| 02:06.35 | Codayus | Ah. |
| 02:06.52 | Codayus | Did they end up with a lock? |
| 02:07.05 | kenlyric_ | Codayus: no, my old guild had someone with a very similar name who was a priest. I actually never assume anyone is a priest. |
| 02:07.06 | Diao | hmm |
| 02:07.10 | Diao | according to simulationcraft |
| 02:07.12 | kenlyric_ | I just assume they're a shadow priest if they're a priest. |
| 02:07.16 | Diao | hit is not the best stat for dps casters |
| 02:07.16 | Codayus | Illhoof without a lock is....fun and exciting and interesting. To listen to on vent from outside the instance. |
| 02:07.18 | Diao | after 100 hit |
| 02:07.30 | kenlyric_ | lock? |
| 02:07.35 | kenlyric_ | pally plus mage, of course! |
| 02:08.00 | kenlyric_ | unless locks do something besides SoC in that fight. |
| 02:08.23 | kenlyric_ | I haven't fought that guy since before they fixed his chaining of the tank. |
| 02:08.46 | kenlyric_ | so mostly my memory is pain. |
| 02:09.32 | Ellipsis | sigh |
| 02:09.49 | |Stan| | Codayus: it's still easy..you just ned a ololadin |
| 02:09.53 | |Stan| | *e |
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| 02:10.48 | kenlyric_ | the only time we killed him, it took us a while to figure out what we did different. |
| 02:10.56 | kenlyric_ | Oh, he never chained the tank. |
| 02:11.16 | kenlyric_ | then we spent that next week trying to figure out how we made that happen. |
| 02:11.35 | RaydenUni | hey guys i put my friend's stats into a spreadsheet and it says he should be doing over 600dps but instead he is doing 300dps. mind looking at him and seeing if he is missing anything? |
| 02:11.39 | RaydenUni | !c us destromath morkite |
| 02:11.52 | Diao | hmm |
| 02:11.56 | Diao | elfreloaded looks funny :( |
| 02:12.07 | Tekkub | divide by 2, problem solved |
| 02:12.11 | Nefarion | lol |
| 02:12.18 | RaydenUni | hello? link to the armory please? |
| 02:12.22 | Xinhuan | hint: many bosses have high armor. |
| 02:12.23 | Nefarion | Your math's prolly off somewhere.. |
| 02:12.39 | Nefarion | Or armor/resist wasn't factored? |
| 02:12.57 | RaydenUni | http://wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Destromath&n=Morkite |
| 02:13.00 | Ellipsis | RaydenUni, there is no reason a dps class should be doing 300dps |
| 02:13.15 | kenlyric_ | sounds good for a wand. |
| 02:13.22 | RaydenUni | www.leulier.com is the sheet i was using |
| 02:13.38 | RaydenUni | seems like a warlock should be able to hit 300 dps with just one or two dots |
| 02:14.05 | RaydenUni | heck SB alone should be doing 350dps |
| 02:14.09 | Nefarion | Well it's obviously not armor if he's a 'lock. >< |
| 02:14.16 | Ellipsis | a warlock should do 300 dps with his wand |
| 02:14.26 | Ellipsis | ok, that's an exaggeration, but that's how bad this guy is |
| 02:15.07 | Nefarion | RaydenUni, have you considered perhaps that HIS calculations are off? Is he using a mod to check DPS? If so perhaps it's bugged.. |
| 02:15.25 | RaydenUni | hmm |
| 02:15.37 | RaydenUni | i tracked him sunday at 350dps, but this was before he respecced so its not really relevant |
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| 02:16.04 | Ellipsis | any spec should do more than 350 |
| 02:16.10 | Nefarion | You could be getting buggy or tainted resulsts |
| 02:16.16 | RaydenUni | he says he's using swstats |
| 02:16.18 | Ellipsis | even the 21/20/20 spec Arcaia posted |
| 02:16.33 | Nefarion | Especially since you're checking his DPS from your UI's point of view. |
| 02:16.34 | RaydenUni | he was using some 5/5/51 |
| 02:16.50 | RaydenUni | http://raydenuni.com/wow/logs/wws-20071022-0205/ |
| 02:16.52 | RaydenUni | from sunday |
| 02:16.55 | RaydenUni | but this was his old build |
| 02:17.28 | Nefarion | On an unrelated note I now hate Slouken: " The maximum tab targeting range is 50 (and is now enforced in 2.3)". wtf?? |
| 02:17.41 | Ellipsis | ...he's using a power infused mushroom? |
| 02:17.59 | RaydenUni | i was until yesterday :P |
| 02:18.15 | kenlyric_ | i still am |
| 02:18.20 | kenlyric_ | gg trinkets |
| 02:18.29 | Ellipsis | RaydenUni: his gear is weak, and he really needs to l2socket |
| 02:18.30 | Nefarion | We talkng about Morkite? |
| 02:18.38 | Ellipsis | and l2enchant |
| 02:18.40 | Ellipsis | yes Nefarion |
| 02:18.52 | RaydenUni | yeah he's doing 300-350 dps and even with his gear he shouldn't be doing that little |
| 02:19.37 | Ellipsis | RaydenUni: tbh, he looks like a bit of a failtard |
| 02:19.45 | Nefarion | He's got less dmg than my lvl 65 does man.. |
| 02:19.53 | Ellipsis | he needs to fix his gear, and then fix whatever's wrong with his playstyle |
| 02:19.59 | Nefarion | That could in fact be the problem. |
| 02:20.02 | Ellipsis | tell him to read some theorycraft |
| 02:20.18 | RaydenUni | like what? |
| 02:20.36 | Ellipsis | the warlock forums are a good start |
| 02:20.41 | Nefarion | He could really use a lot more +dmg, +hit and as destro +crit... |
| 02:20.43 | Ellipsis | EJ even better |
| 02:20.48 | Nefarion | all stats are pretty lo |
| 02:20.50 | kenlyric_ | his gear is plenty fine for intro-to kara. |
| 02:20.50 | Nefarion | w |
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| 02:21.06 | RaydenUni | yeah we are just starting KZ |
| 02:21.32 | kenlyric_ | oh lord |
| 02:21.36 | kenlyric_ | 30 int on weapon |
| 02:21.40 | kenlyric_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.53 | Ellipsis | yeah |
| 02:22.09 | Ellipsis | he has no enchants except that one, too |
| 02:22.28 | RaydenUni | i'm guessing our guild's enchanter was giving them for free |
| 02:22.33 | RaydenUni | i don't think i have any decent enchants |
| 02:22.34 | Ellipsis | it doesn't matter |
| 02:22.47 | Ellipsis | he fails at gems and should at least be getting the cheap/easy enchants |
| 02:23.14 | kenlyric_ | I still have +5 weapon damage on my weapon :) |
| 02:23.20 | kenlyric_ | and strength to my gloves. |
| 02:23.46 | RaydenUni | i have +5str on my gloves |
| 02:23.47 | RaydenUni | :P |
| 02:24.13 | RaydenUni | and some int on my bracers |
| 02:24.15 | RaydenUni | that is all |
| 02:24.19 | kenlyric_ | actually, I suppose that now I can do decent enchants on them I should do it for real. |
| 02:24.30 | RaydenUni | i think they should revamp how enchants work to be more like gems |
| 02:24.30 | Ellipsis | the most useless enchant I have is 20 spell penetration on cloak...and that's only because Blizz didn't give us anything useful for cloaks |
| 02:24.36 | kenlyric_ | I just hate enchanting blue things, at all, even if I will probably have them until WotLK |
| 02:24.42 | RaydenUni | show it as a socket and let anyone socket them |
| 02:24.54 | Nefarion | Umm, lol? "After more than two years in the studio, Warhammmer Online was suddenly pulled from the development schedule today." |
| 02:24.59 | RaydenUni | then sell enchants on the AH |
| 02:25.07 | kenlyric_ | Nefarion: uh? link |
| 02:25.14 | Nefarion | http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/whonline/news.html?sid=6100992 |
| 02:25.21 | Nefarion | posted on the forums... |
| 02:25.28 | kenlyric_ | bah |
| 02:25.30 | kenlyric_ | real link |
| 02:25.39 | Nefarion | what? |
| 02:25.41 | Ellipsis | uh what |
| 02:25.45 | kenlyric_ | I want it written in blood on baby skin from the devs. |
| 02:25.51 | Ellipsis | is it april fools day already |
| 02:25.59 | Nefarion | oh shit my mistake |
| 02:26.11 | Nefarion | that's old--posted in 2004 |
| 02:26.20 | Nefarion | i'm guessing it was dropped back then and picked back up |
| 02:26.26 | kenlyric_ | here's where we kick you off the internet. |
| 02:26.34 | Nefarion | lol |
| 02:27.04 | RaydenUni | !kick Nefarion |
| 02:27.16 | Nefarion | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.17 | Ellipsis | also, kenlyric_: I know what you mean about enchanting blues, but I take comfort in the fact that I'm getting ench skillups as I do it :) |
| 02:28.42 | kenlyric_ | yeah, I could get a couple I guess.. just.. the mats! |
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| 02:29.01 | kenlyric_ | it'd be nice to finally break 1500 healing. |
| 02:29.13 | RaydenUni | my problem with enchants is most of the ones worth getting now my guildmates don't have |
| 02:29.20 | RaydenUni | which means i have to spam the trade channel asking |
| 02:29.35 | Ellipsis | are you on a tiny server or something? |
| 02:29.38 | CIA-7 | 03nymbia * r53048 10/branches/PeriodicTable-3.1/: |
| 02:29.38 | CIA-7 | PeriodicTable-3.1: |
| 02:29.38 | CIA-7 | - branch dir |
| 02:30.13 | Ellipsis | I mean, our server usually has enchanters spamming constantly, and even in the middle of night it wouldn't take more than one or two messages in /2 to find someone to do an enchant |
| 02:30.58 | RaydenUni | eh |
| 02:31.02 | RaydenUni | it's the principle! |
| 02:31.05 | RaydenUni | i've never actually tried |
| 02:31.11 | RaydenUni | i don't think the server is small |
| 02:31.22 | RaydenUni | it's been around long enough for me to hit 70 :D |
| 02:31.43 | CIA-7 | 03nymbia 07dev * r53049 10PeriodicTable-3.1/: |
| 02:31.43 | CIA-7 | PeriodicTable-3.1: |
| 02:31.43 | CIA-7 | - Branch (from trunk 3.0@r53020) |
| 02:31.43 | CIA-7 | - Gonna switch to LibStub, remove some superfluous functions that would be easy to implement on the addon side of things, and probably tweak the compression and data storage scheme. |
| 02:32.05 | Nefarion | which server? |
| 02:32.20 | Wobwork | <3 nymbia |
| 02:32.25 | Nefarion | kewl |
| 02:32.26 | Wobwork | I tried libstubbing PT |
| 02:32.38 | Wobwork | but hadn't gotten around to actually testing it properly |
| 02:35.07 | nymbia | Wobwork: yeah the upgrade path isn't as clean as it could be.. |
| 02:37.00 | CIA-7 | 03nogudnik * r53050 10Skillet/ (ChangeLog Skillet.lua UI/ShoppingList.lua description.txt): |
| 02:37.00 | CIA-7 | Skillet: |
| 02:37.01 | CIA-7 | - SKL-25: Shopping list settings are now stored per-character. |
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| 02:43.41 | Ellipsis | hm |
| 02:43.50 | Ellipsis | need good gloves =[ |
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| 02:46.09 | CIA-7 | 03nogudnik * r53051 10Skillet/Skillet.lua: |
| 02:46.09 | CIA-7 | Skillet: |
| 02:46.09 | CIA-7 | - SKL-22: When Skillet is disabled (/skillet standby), restore the |
| 02:46.09 | CIA-7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.12 | kenlyric_ | so, questObective vs QuestInfo... anyone? |
| 02:47.29 | Nefarion | those are addons? |
| 02:47.49 | kenlyric_ | seriously, I can't find any informtion on QuestInfo or what it's showing on the map. |
| 02:47.57 | kenlyric_ | both parts of Cart |
| 02:48.10 | kenlyric_ | one a plugin, the other added to the core recently. |
| 02:48.24 | kenlyric_ | and each use 3mb of ram. |
| 02:48.27 | Nefarion | How recently? |
| 02:48.37 | kenlyric_ | I only noticed it a couple weeks ago. |
| 02:48.45 | Nefarion | I recall the objectives addon but not the info.. |
| 02:48.56 | CIA-7 | 03kuja * r53052 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2.lua: |
| 02:48.56 | CIA-7 | Babble-2.2: |
| 02:48.56 | CIA-7 | - deDE update |
| 02:49.49 | Nefarion | Yeah my account's been closed for ~2-1/2 weeks. =/ But I did use QuestObjectives and didn't like it's overall formatting. Personally I stick with LightHeaded for all quest-related stuff. It's info and comments more than suffice. |
| 02:50.40 | kenlyric_ | yeah, i'm thinking about getting rid of it. |
| 02:50.49 | kenlyric_ | but i'd just like to know what QuestInfo does... nobody seems to know. |
| 02:51.04 | Nefarion | Then maybe it's not important enough to care? =P |
| 02:51.04 | kenlyric_ | guess I'll march through the changelogs until I find it :/ |
| 02:51.15 | kenlyric_ | bah, it's the #2 memory hog after Ace |
| 02:51.29 | CIA-7 | 03nogudnik * r53053 10Skillet/ (UI/MainFrame.lua description.txt): |
| 02:51.29 | CIA-7 | Skillet: |
| 02:51.29 | CIA-7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.49 | Nefarion | Well it's likely storing a database of quest info. Not surprising. |
| 02:51.59 | CIA-7 | 03zuno 07v2.0 * r53054 10UnitActionBars/UnitActionBars/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 02:51.59 | CIA-7 | UnitActionBars: |
| 02:51.59 | CIA-7 | - Updated configuration abilities (clear stance and unit group) |
| 02:51.59 | CIA-7 | - Fixes to current config behavior |
| 02:51.59 | CIA-7 | - Positioning bug fixes |
| 02:52.01 | CIA-7 | 03kuja * r53055 10AckisRecipeList/ARLLocals-deDE.lua: |
| 02:52.02 | CIA-7 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 02:52.04 | CIA-7 | -deDE update |
| 02:52.14 | Nefarion | It's negligible at best still. Shouldn't matter unless it's using enough to compete with WoW's overall memory and you're running 512 mb RAM......... |
| 02:52.35 | kenlyric_ | hye |
| 02:52.46 | kenlyric_ | you care about what you want to care about and I'll care about what I want to care about. |
| 02:52.58 | Nefarion | ummmmmm ok |
| 02:53.03 | Kuja^ | i don't care :p |
| 02:53.09 | kenlyric_ | I don't like text in red. |
| 02:53.28 | kenlyric_ | and when you're running 10-20fps, every tiny little bit helps. |
| 02:53.34 | Nefarion | I don't know if you're serious but what I meant was literally that it's not going to affect performance |
| 02:53.51 | Nefarion | Yeah I run 5 fps. I can relate. But it still won't affect anything. |
| 02:53.55 | CIA-7 | 03zuno 07v2.0 * r53056 10UnitActionBars/UnitActionBars/SecureHeader.lua: |
| 02:53.55 | CIA-7 | UnitActionBars: |
| 02:53.55 | CIA-7 | - Removed extra uab.print calls. |
| 02:54.08 | Ellipsis | it doesn't matter, some people are crazy and want their low numbers |
| 02:54.29 | Ellipsis | because it feels good to know you can fit an entire UI into 20MiB (or less), even if the effects aren't noticable |
| 02:54.48 | Nefarion | The difference between a 10 mb UI and a 30 mb UI is still pretty small, especially considering the amount WoW itself uses. Static usage has no bearing on performance unless it's a crazy high amount on crazy low RAM. |
| 02:54.51 | kenlyric_ | how could it have no effect when my fps jumps after a GC? |
| 02:55.14 | Nefarion | Static mem usage won't change that |
| 02:55.27 | Nefarion | Garbage =/= statis memory |
| 02:55.29 | Nefarion | c* |
| 02:55.33 | Ellipsis | kenlyric_, that's churn, which should always be avoided |
| 02:55.56 | kenlyric_ | if I use less base memory won't I generate less garbage? |
| 02:56.02 | Nefarion | No |
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| 02:56.41 | kenlyric_ | so what I need to do is have someone fix the color ranges so that red isn't used for an abysmally low number like 40. |
| 02:56.55 | kenlyric_ | and then I could be happy |
| 02:57.09 | Nefarion | Reality is nothing, perception is everything, huh? |
| 02:57.12 | Nefarion | =) |
| 02:57.16 | kenlyric_ | exactly |
| 02:57.18 | kenlyric_ | red is bad |
| 02:58.02 | Nefarion | Just hide the memory display. It makes no difference anyway. And after a bit you'll learn to forget it. |
| 02:58.05 | kenlyric_ | mods don't affect cpu usage at all? |
| 02:58.18 | Nefarion | If you care about memory affecting performance, show increase-rate |
| 02:58.31 | Nefarion | Well, they are processing lol |
| 02:58.38 | Nefarion | memory =/= cpu |
| 02:59.02 | kenlyric_ | thanks. I'm moving on to a new subject now. |
| 02:59.13 | Nefarion | sounds good |
| 02:59.39 | kenlyric_ | it'd be nice if wow didn't send my cpu to 100% |
| 02:59.46 | nymbia | is the new subject.. squirrels? |
| 02:59.52 | Nefarion | oh god yes! |
| 03:00.34 | Nefarion | wait a sec.. |
| 03:00.46 | Nefarion | whoa whoa..... kitties > bunnies >> squirrels. i'm sorry but it's true. |
| 03:00.59 | hyperChipmunk | ahem |
| 03:01.04 | nymbia | WHAT |
| 03:01.09 | Nefarion | yeah i said it |
| 03:01.10 | nymbia | KICKBAN INC |
| 03:01.12 | nymbia | ;) |
| 03:01.20 | Nefarion | oh it's on! |
| 03:01.27 | Nefarion | =) |
| 03:01.45 | *** kick/#wowace [Nefarion!n=staharaj@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/hyperactiveChipmunk] by hyperChipmunk (the rodents shall inherit the Earth) |
| 03:02.06 | hyperChipmunk | victory is ours! |
| 03:02.13 | kenlyric_ | blessed are the cheesemakers? |
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| 03:02.49 | Nefarion | ... |
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| 03:03.34 | nymbia | <--- didnt do it! ;) |
| 03:03.44 | Wobwork | kenlyric_: I think he meant all producers of dairy products |
| 03:03.59 | Nefarion | chipmunks ftl |
| 03:04.31 | Fisker- | HI |
| 03:04.34 | Fisker- | i am nymbia |
| 03:04.35 | *** join/#wowace Athou_ (i=Cricket_@83.101.11.143) |
| 03:04.52 | Nefarion | (IRC noob): How do i do emotes? |
| 03:04.56 | Nefarion | =/ |
| 03:05.06 | hyperChipmunk | /me destroys Nefarion |
| 03:05.09 | Wobwork | type /server says bing! |
| 03:05.13 | Wobwork | <.< |
| 03:05.14 | Wobwork | >.> |
| 03:05.27 | Nefarion | not funny |
| 03:05.30 | Wobwork | I know |
| 03:05.33 | Wobwork | use /me =P |
| 03:05.50 | Xinhuan | Wobwork, your IRC nick should be WobIRC ;p |
| 03:05.51 | nymbia | i just make purl do it, personally |
| 03:05.52 | Fisker- | YOU KILLED MY SERVER |
| 03:05.57 | nymbia | ~smite Nefarion |
| 03:05.58 | purl | ACTION wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves Nefarion from crown to sole. |
| 03:06.04 | Wobwork | Xinhuan: It's true |
| 03:06.11 | Wobwork | ~lart Nefarion |
| 03:06.11 | purl | beats the living hamstercrap out of Nefarion |
| 03:06.16 | kenlyric_ | ~whaleblock nymbia |
| 03:06.16 | purl | ACTION shields nymbia with a freakishly huger whale named ollywag |
| 03:06.20 | Nefarion | wtf |
| 03:06.23 | Xinhuan | ~popcorn |
| 03:06.24 | purl | Mmmm, I like E-drama! |
| 03:06.24 | kenlyric_ | dammit. |
| 03:06.31 | kenlyric_ | that thing needs logic I expect. |
| 03:06.37 | nymbia | ~whalenametheft kenlyric_ |
| 03:06.38 | purl | ACTION watches in awe as a rather menacing whale named Reginald (who also happens to be well versed in the art of marketing) kicks kenlyric_'s ass and steals his/her name. The now anonymous target weeps. |
| 03:06.40 | Nefarion | ~kill Squirrel |
| 03:06.41 | purl | ACTION shoots a inverse positrino gun at Squirrel |
| 03:06.48 | Nefarion | kittens win |
| 03:06.56 | Wobwork | ~kitten |
| 03:06.57 | purl | kitten is probably one hawt linux babe, or ! |
| 03:06.59 | kenlyric_ | I expect whaleblock to protect ME from the named attacker. |
| 03:07.02 | Xinhuan | ~random |
| 03:07.10 | Wobwork | ~cookie |
| 03:07.12 | Xinhuan | ok that's truly random |
| 03:07.15 | Nefarion | ~random |
| 03:07.42 | Nefarion | Can Purl talk? |
| 03:07.49 | nymbia | purl, talk |
| 03:07.54 | Xinhuan | purl, i hate you |
| 03:07.54 | purl | You hate you? |
| 03:08.00 | nymbia | purl, you suck |
| 03:08.01 | purl | and very well I might add |
| 03:08.05 | Nefarion | HAHA |
| 03:08.13 | Xinhuan | ~_~ |
| 03:08.14 | purl | :/ |
| 03:08.25 | Nefarion | ~purl |
| 03:08.25 | purl | purl is, like, purl |
| 03:08.58 | Nefarion | ~chris hansen |
| 03:09.19 | Thrae | I wonder if I should move my server up to 2.6.23. Right now it's only on 17. |
| 03:11.33 | CIA-7 | 03xinhuan * r53057 10WoWEquip/localization.frFR.lua: WoWEquip: - Add beginnings of frFR localization. |
| 03:12.38 | CIA-7 | 03nogudnik * r53058 10Skillet/ (Skillet.lua UI/MerchantWindow.lua description.txt): |
| 03:12.38 | CIA-7 | Skillet: |
| 03:12.38 | CIA-7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.38 | CIA-7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.18 | CIA-7 | 03nymbia 07dev * r53059 10PeriodicTable-3.1/ (23 files in 23 dirs): |
| 03:14.18 | CIA-7 | PeriodicTable-3.1: |
| 03:14.18 | CIA-7 | - Let's try this again... mangle directory structure mostly, without touching the batch file, since I'm not special. |
| 03:14.18 | CIA-7 | - update tsvn:logtemplate |
| 03:14.37 | Nefarion | lol Azerothian Super Villains = pure brilliance |
| 03:16.38 | CIA-7 | 03nymbia 07dev * r53060 10PeriodicTable-3.1/ (19 files in 3 dirs): |
| 03:16.38 | CIA-7 | PeriodicTable-3.1: |
| 03:16.38 | CIA-7 | - More rearranging |
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| 03:23.52 | pastamancer | ooh, some good pics of San Diego from the neighbor of a guildie http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4939/le92646a1be6a297dd5b2bcsb8.jpg |
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| 03:24.29 | nymbia | they appear to be slightly on fire |
| 03:24.37 | Wobwork | indeed |
| 03:24.41 | Wobwork | they should get that looked at |
| 03:24.42 | pastamancer | yeah, that's part of town that was evacuated today |
| 03:25.01 | pastamancer | http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8523/l754cc961685c0855c6d93dnl7.jpg |
| 03:25.06 | pastamancer | that seems ominous too |
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| 03:25.16 | nymbia | yeah just a little.. |
| 03:25.19 | Wobwork | I recall, when my friend worked in Ireland for a year |
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| 03:25.26 | Wobwork | he had, back home, a firebox |
| 03:25.34 | Wobwork | which his parents could grab in case of bushfire =P |
| 03:25.44 | Wobwork | containing all the important stuff etc |
| 03:25.50 | Diao | uhh |
| 03:26.00 | Diao | wow |
| 03:26.05 | Diao | just fought an exploiting team in 3v3 arena |
| 03:26.09 | Diao | they gear swapped mid-arena |
| 03:28.17 | Ellipsis | hmm |
| 03:28.33 | Ellipsis | I wonder how close the nearest fire is here... |
| 03:29.08 | xyu | in Quartz how do i move the "Buff" bar, i do not see an unlock :( |
| 03:29.25 | Ellipsis | change its anchor to free |
| 03:29.31 | xyu | yeah but i don't see an anchor box |
| 03:29.33 | xyu | not for "buff" |
| 03:29.37 | Nefarion | Man looks like a fire mage got pissed at somebody (lol i'm an ass) |
| 03:32.54 | CIA-7 | 03nymbia 07dev * r53061 10PeriodicTable-3.1/ (56 files in 19 dirs): |
| 03:32.54 | CIA-7 | PeriodicTable-3.1: |
| 03:32.54 | CIA-7 | - Lots and lots of renames. |
| 03:34.24 | Xinhuan | diao: how? |
| 03:35.01 | Diao | i have no idea how |
| 03:35.10 | Diao | but i saw their pally |
| 03:35.10 | Xinhuan | how do you know they swapped gear |
| 03:35.12 | Diao | start with 13k mana |
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| 03:35.15 | Diao | midfight she dropped to 10k mana |
| 03:35.20 | Diao | and suddenly had massive shadow resist |
| 03:35.29 | Diao | cause our lock was doing full damage on his dots |
| 03:35.42 | Diao | and suddenly the pally started resisting every spell at the same time her mana dropped by 3k |
| 03:35.50 | Diao | so it's pretty obvious |
| 03:36.00 | Xinhuan | did you try swapping any gear yourself? |
| 03:36.01 | Nefarion | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtDB2f0AJus |
| 03:36.03 | Xinhuan | just to see if you could |
| 03:36.37 | Diao | yea |
| 03:36.40 | Diao | i tried to swap my trinket |
| 03:36.41 | Diao | but it wouldn't let me |
| 03:36.51 | Xinhuan | but is that because you are in combat? |
| 03:36.55 | Xinhuan | as opposed to in an arena |
| 03:36.57 | Diao | nope |
| 03:37.01 | Diao | i get out of combat pretty often |
| 03:37.05 | Diao | and i have trinketmenu |
| 03:37.08 | Diao | which queues trinket swaps |
| 03:37.15 | Diao | but when i tried it said "cannot do that while in arena" |
| 03:37.19 | Xinhuan | report bug :) |
| 03:37.29 | Diao | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostwolf&n=Dreadnana |
| 03:37.31 | Diao | that paladin |
| 03:41.15 | Nefarion | Haha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6-GzHFGCuk |
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| 03:43.13 | Wobwork | actually |
| 03:43.17 | Wobwork | what's funny is the comments =P |
| 03:43.27 | Wobwork | all the warlock QQing |
| 03:44.17 | Ellipsis | I only QQ when I don't get cake |
| 03:44.27 | Ellipsis | other warlocks are just crybabies |
| 03:44.44 | Wobwork | Ellipsis: well then go finish Portal |
| 03:44.47 | Wobwork | I hear that has cake |
| 03:44.56 | Ellipsis | the cake was a lie :( |
| 03:44.59 | Wobwork | =( |
| 03:45.03 | Wobwork | That's so wrong =( |
| 03:45.12 | Wobwork | cake should -never- be a lie |
| 03:45.12 | Ellipsis | yeh, I totally QQed at the end |
| 03:45.13 | balstor_ | Diao you can swap gear in arenas |
| 03:45.21 | balstor_ | can't* |
| 03:45.31 | Wobwork | hehe nice typo =) |
| 03:45.41 | Wobwork | you got Diao's hopes all up |
| 03:46.01 | balstor_ | yhea i'm tired, shitty TK raid i had to run |
| 03:46.51 | ulic | he knows you can't, that's why he's upset, because he thinks that paladin did. |
| 03:47.17 | balstor_ | yhea i just reread that, and realize that was what he was saying, yhea long shitty raid |
| 03:48.22 | balstor_ | i'm trying to think of how you could get around the arena system and all i can think of is ressing if the arena anti swap is a pulse like bosses for combat |
| 03:48.51 | Xinhuan | except the paplly |
| 03:48.54 | Xinhuan | never died |
| 03:49.15 | Wobwork | clearly op =) |
| 03:49.45 | balstor_ | hmm the other thing i could think of is if there is a spot in the starting area, a wall jump cpuld do it but never enough time to pull it off |
| 03:50.01 | NightHawkTheSan1 | !c us Laughing Skull Gaze |
| 03:50.19 | NightHawkTheSan1 | dammit |
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| 03:57.22 | CIA-7 | 03helium * r53062 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua: |
| 03:57.22 | CIA-7 | Babble-2.2: |
| 03:57.22 | CIA-7 | - Spell: updated zhTW localization |
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| 04:01.07 | Killmore | did blizzard change something about macro in channel ? |
| 04:01.16 | Nefarion | yes |
| 04:01.21 | Nefarion | you can't spam anymore |
| 04:01.22 | kenlyric_ | chat borked |
| 04:01.29 | kenlyric_ | restarts tomorrow. |
| 04:01.30 | Killmore | I cant use anymore my healing assignement macro |
| 04:01.40 | kenlyric_ | related? who knows. |
| 04:02.01 | Killmore | it will be fix or I need a timer between line of something ? |
| 04:02.15 | Nefarion | it will be fixed for Guild and custom channels with 25 people or less |
| 04:03.51 | Killmore | oh :\ |
| 04:03.57 | Ackis | when nefarion? |
| 04:04.01 | Diao | balstor_ i know you can't, that's why i said it's an exploit |
| 04:04.09 | Killmore | we are like... 7-10 in the healers channel |
| 04:04.10 | Diao | ;p |
| 04:04.11 | Nefarion | Slouken only said "soon" or something like that |
| 04:04.12 | Ackis | and on a side note, i got a blessed band of karabor |
| 04:04.22 | Nefarion | For the fix.. |
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| 04:12.42 | Xinhuan | what? |
| 04:12.46 | Xinhuan | so if my guild has more than 25 ppl |
| 04:12.50 | Xinhuan | i can't spam damage meters on it? |
| 04:13.30 | Nefarion | *custom* channels with under 25 |
| 04:13.39 | Nefarion | 25 or under* |
| 04:13.39 | Xinhuan | "Guild and custom channels with 25 people or less" |
| 04:13.41 | Xinhuan | you said that |
| 04:13.51 | Xinhuan | (guild and custom) channels |
| 04:13.56 | Nefarion | custom channels with 25 people or less and guild |
| 04:13.58 | Xinhuan | as opposed to guild and (custom channels) |
| 04:14.10 | Xinhuan | you were ambiguous! |
| 04:14.18 | Nefarion | blame logic |
| 04:16.10 | Nefarion | spam ( ( channel.type == "custom" and channel.population <= 25 and someshit ) or channel.type == "guild" and someshit ) |
| 04:16.32 | Nefarion | wait.. |
| 04:16.34 | Nefarion | yeah |
| 04:16.59 | Nefarion | sorry i'm pretty bored.. |
| 04:17.48 | xyu | . |
| 04:20.44 | NightHawkTheSan1 | go read xkcd, it wins. |
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| 04:23.49 | Nefarion | what's that? |
| 04:25.31 | Diao | xkcd.com |
| 04:25.33 | Diao | random webcoming |
| 04:25.35 | Diao | webcomic* |
| 04:25.36 | NightHawkTheSan1 | wiki it. |
| 04:26.08 | Thrae | If you manage a raid that starts at level 1, and you increase it to level 10 by adding 2 more, how is that possible? |
| 04:26.42 | Nefarion | Those comics are full of fail |
| 04:27.34 | NightHawkTheSan1 | you sir, have no sense of humor. |
| 04:27.38 | durcyn | you're off the christmas card list, Nefarion |
| 04:27.54 | Nefarion | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.06 | Nefarion | gah i'll give it another chance |
| 04:28.07 | NightHawkTheSan1 | christmas card list, hell he's out of the will. |
| 04:28.51 | durcyn | if he doesn't like it after he tries it again, he's off the planet. |
| 04:28.56 | durcyn | i'll prep the rocket |
| 04:29.33 | Nefarion | Meh. Some are okay.. |
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| 04:31.11 | Wobwork | xkcd has a ...what's it called when you reach a mass of enough radioactive material to cause fission? |
| 04:32.03 | NightHawkTheSan1 | critical mass |
| 04:32.11 | Wobwork | yeah |
| 04:32.21 | Wobwork | xkcd has a critical mass applied to it's humour |
| 04:32.32 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Nefarion: I'm sorry, good sir, thats not quite good enough, we're going to be forced to expel you from the human race. |
| 04:32.35 | Wobwork | read enough, and you'll find all of themamusing |
| 04:32.44 | Wobwork | keep an eye on the alt-text though |
| 04:32.49 | Wobwork | that's where a lot of the humour is |
| 04:33.59 | NightHawkTheSan1 | xkcd is kind of like an acid test of whether you have a sense of humor or not. |
| 04:36.51 | Wobwork | a sense of humour rather than a sense of the absurd =) |
| 04:37.08 | NightHawkTheSan1 | i consider the latter to be a subset of the former. :"{P |
| 04:37.13 | Wobwork | it's also pretty geeky humour |
| 04:37.42 | Wobwork | well it's the difference between finding slapstick funny and finding satire funny |
| 04:38.26 | Wobwork | having a sense of humour is the ability to laugh at oneself, having a sense of the absurd is the ability to laugh at others |
| 04:38.48 | Wobwork | okay, so not the most watertight of definitions |
| 04:38.58 | Wobwork | but it's in there somewhere =P |
| 04:40.01 | NightHawkTheSan1 | i still say that the latter would be a subset of the former. |
| 04:40.14 | NightHawkTheSan1 | i mean, if you can't laugh at yourself, you can't really appreciate other humor |
| 04:40.17 | Wobwork | oh naturally |
| 04:40.31 | Wobwork | you can learn to laugh at others |
| 04:40.45 | Wobwork | but if you can't laugh at yourself, you never truly have a 'sense of humour' |
| 04:40.58 | Wobwork | or a full sense of humour, I guess |
| 04:42.37 | sylvanaar | i never really noticed there was a * at the beginning of that |
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| 04:44.47 | JoshBorke | nn |
| 04:46.12 | Wobwork | I have three *'s |
| 04:46.50 | NightHawkTheSan1 | I *'d your mom. |
| 04:47.15 | Nefarion | Does Parrot offer anything interesting over MSBT? |
| 04:47.58 | NightHawkTheSan1 | looking at the latest version of msbt, i'd probably say no. |
| 04:48.04 | NightHawkTheSan1 | but i'm not entirely sure. |
| 04:49.49 | Nefarion | Did the most recent changes reset any settings? |
| 04:50.36 | dylanm | To MSBT? Yeah I had to redo some stuff. |
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| 04:50.54 | Nefarion | =/ |
| 04:51.07 | NightHawkTheSan1 | yeah, a lot of my settings got changed. |
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| 05:01.24 | Cheads | any reason to use msbt instead of parrot? |
| 05:01.36 | CIA-7 | 03jwensley2 * r53063 10MageAnnounce/MageAnnounce.lua: |
| 05:01.36 | CIA-7 | MageAnnounce: |
| 05:01.36 | CIA-7 | - you can now use %s and %l in the polymorph message for sex and level |
| 05:01.37 | CIA-7 | 03zuno 07v2.0 * r53064 10UnitActionBars/UnitActionBars/Config/ (Main.lua StanceCopy.lua UnitGroupCopy.lua): |
| 05:01.37 | CIA-7 | UnitActionBars: |
| 05:01.38 | CIA-7 | - A few more fixes to configuration to resolve stance & unit group copy/clear and action clear issues. |
| 05:03.24 | durcyn | Cheads: personal preference. work it out for yourself :o |
| 05:03.51 | NightHawkTheSan1 | at this point, i'd say they're probably fairly close to the same, barring maybe some minor feature differences. so yeah, personal preference. |
| 05:04.09 | NightHawkTheSan1 | I use parrot on some characters, and msbt on others. >.> |
| 05:06.10 | Nefarion | You have both installed? Shouldn't one suffice? |
| 05:08.33 | NightHawkTheSan1 | theoretically,yes |
| 05:08.45 | NightHawkTheSan1 | but I was using MSBT on some characters before parrot was developed |
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| 05:09.02 | NightHawkTheSan1 | and tried parrot for newer characteres to just try it out |
| 05:09.29 | NightHawkTheSan1 | and never bothered to set up parrot on the other characters. *shrug* |
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| 05:15.25 | NightHawkTheSan1 | arena points dont decay do they? |
| 05:15.41 | Gngsk | don't believe so |
| 05:15.46 | Gngsk | I've had the same 1250 arena points for ages |
| 05:16.08 | Cheads | durcyn I changed from msbt to parrot some time ago.. |
| 05:16.16 | Gngsk | change back to msbt |
| 05:16.34 | Cheads | why? |
| 05:16.42 | Gngsk | try the new one |
| 05:16.44 | Gngsk | for fun |
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| 05:17.13 | Cheads | well I dont find it funny to try a new version to see if I can find something new I could use =) |
| 05:18.11 | Gngsk | 5.0 adds some nice features, but I think parrot might already do most of 'em |
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| 05:40.11 | Tuller | 300kb for MSBT :P |
| 05:40.24 | NightHawkTheSan1 | what does that mean? :P |
| 05:40.29 | Tuller | + a relatively nicer config interface :P |
| 05:40.40 | Tuller | though I don't really alter the defaults |
| 05:40.56 | Arcaia | can someone say something really fast >.> |
| 05:41.04 | Cheads | blergh |
| 05:41.07 | Arcaia | BAH. |
| 05:41.08 | Gngsk | something really fast |
| 05:41.10 | sedatedChipmunk | somethingreallyfastn |
| 05:41.14 | Gngsk | I win |
| 05:41.14 | sedatedChipmunk | rats |
| 05:41.59 | Arcaia | its like part of my internet is working |
| 05:42.05 | Arcaia | and the other part is failing miserably. |
| 05:43.25 | CIA-7 | 03nogudnik * r53065 10Skillet/ (9 files in 3 dirs): |
| 05:43.25 | CIA-7 | Skillet: |
| 05:43.25 | CIA-7 | - SKL-14: Added reverse sorting toggle. The sort direction is saved |
| 05:43.25 | CIA-7 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:46.51 | kenlyric_ | Kaelten: I just remembered my idea for the files.wowace page. When you sort in the date/revision number field, the first way it should sort is descending, so the newest stuff comes first. Right now you have to click it twice to do the expected behavior. |
| 05:48.52 | kenlyric_ | Kaelten: or better, just have the page default to sorting by revision number descending :) |
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| 05:55.19 | pastamancer | hahaha, just beat portal.. and the ending music is just... omg |
| 05:55.26 | Corgan | yes |
| 05:55.27 | Corgan | :D |
| 05:55.36 | pastamancer | is there a mp3 somewhere? |
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| 05:59.08 | ZealotOnAStick | oh yes. |
| 05:59.12 | Zhinjio | so whats the current favored SWStats type plugin that is Ace based, or just in general? |
| 05:59.18 | ZealotOnAStick | entire soundtrack if you want it. |
| 05:59.22 | ZealotOnAStick | or just the end song. |
| 05:59.33 | ZealotOnAStick | should be easy to find torrent of it |
| 06:00.12 | ScoTTie | could probably just extract it out of the steam file |
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| 06:07.09 | CIA-7 | 03jwensley2 * r53066 10MageAnnounce/MageAnnounce.lua: |
| 06:07.09 | CIA-7 | MageAnnounce: |
| 06:07.09 | CIA-7 | - cleaned up code |
| 06:07.09 | CIA-7 | - fixed menu order |
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| 06:14.41 | nogudnik | Zhinjio: I'm partial to Violation |
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| 06:18.28 | kenlyric_ | violation and recount are both highly regarded. though each has different strengths. And there's another one too, I think. |
| 06:19.26 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Assessment, which is similar to recount |
| 06:19.49 | ramoz | Assassment is more like recount without the dmgmeter? |
| 06:20.19 | NightHawkTheSan1 | ... assessment can be a damage meter... |
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| 06:22.01 | CIA-7 | 03ackis * r53067 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2.lua: |
| 06:22.01 | CIA-7 | Babble-2.2: |
| 06:22.01 | CIA-7 | - Added "Wicked Flame Spessarite" to Babble Tradeskill |
| 06:23.11 | theoddone33 | hood of absolution looks pretty awesome |
| 06:23.25 | CIA-7 | 03ackis * r53068 10AckisRecipeList/ (ARLLocals-enUS.lua AckisRecipeList.lua): |
| 06:23.25 | CIA-7 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 06:23.25 | CIA-7 | - JC: -Added Wicked Flame Spessarite |
| 06:23.25 | CIA-7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.23 | kebinusan | hmm I see links fine, but people are saying Im sending clink crap to the trade channel |
| 06:26.00 | Toadkiller | Zhinjio: I just started using Recount. Seems quite nice |
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| 06:26.49 | Elkano | kebinusan: do you have Prat installed and custom links enabled? ;) |
| 06:26.57 | kebinusan | yeah |
| 06:27.06 | kebinusan | but it shouldnt spew that stuff in trade/guild channels |
| 06:28.20 | Roartindon | Zhinjio: http://elitistjerks.com/f32/t15983-assessing_situation_tag_based_meter_analysis/ |
| 06:28.27 | NightHawkTheSan1 | "I've gotta pay more attention to those guys." |
| 06:28.40 | Elkano | it shouldn't, right, but maybe it does |
| 06:29.03 | Xinhuan | A MELBOURNE PhD student has developed technology to make broadband internet up to 200 times faster without having to install expensive fibre optic cables. |
| 06:29.10 | Xinhuan | http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22639169-421,00.html |
| 06:29.20 | NightHawkTheSan1 | fucking australians. |
| 06:29.52 | nogudnik | It's because they're upsidedown all the time. Does strange things to their brains. |
| 06:30.17 | Elkano | well, we managed to do sorting in O(1), but with some loss on larger datasets ;) |
| 06:30.24 | Roartindon | well, don't worry. if the technology does roll out in Australia, it'll probably be by Telstra.. and priced so that no one can afford it |
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| 06:33.22 | pastamancer | hmm, how long does falling 30,000 ft take :/ |
| 06:34.34 | Elkano | depends on the initial speed, the medium you're falling through, your form (in case it's not vacuum), ... |
| 06:35.13 | NightHawkTheSan1 | pastamancer: probably long enough to figure out exactly how screwed you are. |
| 06:35.16 | pastamancer | I'm going to assume portal uses 9.8m/s |
| 06:35.59 | NightHawkTheSan1 | you mean 9.8 m/s^2 as the accelleration rate up to terminal velocity? |
| 06:36.06 | pastamancer | oh, right |
| 06:36.14 | pastamancer | it's been a long time since I had to physics |
| 06:36.27 | pastamancer | oh well, I'll just leave it running overnight |
| 06:36.58 | Xinhuan | nogudnik, whats "Removed "Infused Shadow Draenite Obt" and Changed to "Blades Edge Summon Bosses" from local" |
| 06:37.26 | Elkano | most likely a missing e ath the end of locale ;) |
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| 06:38.51 | nogudnik | Xinhuan: a commit message from Ackis :-) |
| 06:38.51 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 06:38.58 | Xinhuan | looks like a fail |
| 06:40.11 | Xinhuan | i think your name lacks an e too NightHawkTheSan :) |
| 06:40.19 | Zhinjio | assessment looks pretty darn snazzy |
| 06:40.23 | NightHawkTheSan1 | oh no, I'm a San1 now. :P |
| 06:40.29 | NightHawkTheSan1 | ;) |
| 06:40.34 | Zhinjio | development is active as well, so thats good |
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| 06:42.06 | NightHawkTheSane | i mostly got lazy about my name because i can't change it while idling in wowace-cia. which is really annoying |
| 06:42.52 | NightHawkTheSane | "Operation 'This-will-most-likely-end-badly' is a go." |
| 06:46.04 | theoddone33 | Elkano: itemdb was causing repeatable disconnects on login for me the other day... which is weird because I'd been at the same version for a while with no problems |
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| 06:50.40 | NightHawkTheSane | "Their operating system is a mess, it's a good thing I remember DOS. .... trust me, that was hilarious." |
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| 07:01.22 | CIA-7 | 03xinhuan * r53069 10WoWEquip/ (WoWEquip.lua localization.deDE.lua localization.lua): WoWEquip: - When loading a profile, automatically request itemlinks from the server if it is not already in the local cache. |
| 07:02.07 | Elkano | theoddone33: I have been informed on that isue but unfortunaty I'm currently unable to use WoW thus I can't look into it:/ |
| 07:02.20 | theoddone33 | Elkano: alright, no problem |
| 07:02.38 | Elkano | maybe Blizzard forces disconnects for some ids again :/ |
| 07:02.56 | theoddone33 | yeah I was thinking maybe the server reset resolved it but I haven't tried |
| 07:03.33 | theoddone33 | is there any way I could look into it? |
| 07:03.40 | CIA-7 | 03helium * r53070 10ClosetGnome/ (ClosetGnome.lua locales/enUS.lua locales/zhTW.lua): |
| 07:03.40 | CIA-7 | ClosetGnome: |
| 07:03.40 | CIA-7 | - extract NUM_QUIPS to the locale files so that the total number of quips can be changed per locale. |
| 07:04.13 | Elkano | well, you can disable the part requesting items from the server and then you shouldn't get disconnected any more at least |
| 07:04.33 | theoddone33 | I meant like find specific item ids that may be problematic somehow |
| 07:05.13 | theoddone33 | it'd be different per server i'd think |
| 07:05.16 | theoddone33 | I dunno |
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| 07:08.03 | Elkano | here are the lines that you would have to comment out: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8181.msg152238#msg152238 |
| 07:08.24 | Elkano | still I wonder why it started again :/ |
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| 07:09.20 | Fisker-- | anyone on EU servers here? |
| 07:10.38 | Elkano | y? |
| 07:12.42 | theoddone33 | just using item: in a format string requests it from the server? |
| 07:12.43 | theoddone33 | cool |
| 07:12.55 | Fisker-- | Elkano ! |
| 07:12.59 | Fisker-- | try to check if you can login |
| 07:13.03 | Fisker-- | just for the realm list |
| 07:13.51 | Elkano | theoddone33: no, but setting a tooltip for an unknown item |
| 07:13.54 | Nargiddley | I dont seem to be able to disconnect myself trying items |
| 07:14.05 | Nargiddley | some are coming up blank tooltips, but no dcs |
| 07:14.26 | Elkano | nargiddley, are you getting disconnects with ItemDB installed? |
| 07:14.37 | Nargiddley | havent tried |
| 07:14.54 | Nargiddley | one sec |
| 07:15.14 | Elkano | I wonder if it's only a traffic problem again or if there are some specific ids that will cause a disconnect |
| 07:15.19 | CIA-7 | 03sayclub * r53071 10AutoBar/: |
| 07:15.19 | CIA-7 | AutoBar : |
| 07:15.19 | CIA-7 | - Libs.. |
| 07:15.19 | theoddone33 | like, I vaguely know lua but don't know the wow sdk stuff |
| 07:15.28 | theoddone33 | is there a way to log itemids to a file? |
| 07:15.35 | theoddone33 | or log anything to a file,f rom within a mod |
| 07:15.49 | theoddone33 | just so I could see what's doing it |
| 07:15.55 | theoddone33 | because I'm morbidly curious |
| 07:16.01 | Fisker-- | oh u Elkano :( |
| 07:16.03 | Elkano | well, you could log to chat or saved variables but I don't know if they'll be written on disconnect |
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| 07:16.13 | Fisker-- | i hate you then :( |
| 07:17.04 | Elkano | maybe it takes too long from PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD until the UI responds for those getting disconnects so a bunch of requests is queued up and thus causes a traffic spike |
| 07:17.20 | Nargiddley | big lag spike as i logged in then dc |
| 07:17.45 | CIA-7 | 03sayclub * r53072 10AutoBar/Locale-koKR.lua: |
| 07:17.45 | CIA-7 | AutoBar : |
| 07:17.45 | CIA-7 | - Updated localization koKR |
| 07:17.58 | Neebler | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a5pb0JcbPQ |
| 07:20.28 | theoddone33 | I logged to chatframe1 and didn't see anything pre-DC |
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| 07:20.39 | theoddone33 | I expected to see a bunch of spam |
| 07:20.43 | theoddone33 | but hm |
| 07:22.07 | Nargiddley | changing it to 1 item per scan from 50 delays the dc about 10 seconds |
| 07:22.37 | Elkano | what did you add? DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("[LibInventory-2.1] requesting item "..i) ? |
| 07:22.50 | theoddone33 | pretty close, yeah |
| 07:22.56 | Elkano | hmm... |
| 07:23.08 | fridgid | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/826934/condom_light_party/ |
| 07:23.10 | fridgid | rofl^^ |
| 07:23.24 | fridgid | hell of a party light lol |
| 07:23.47 | Elkano | nargiddley, maybe trying to request the first 100 items by hand? |
| 07:24.13 | Fisker-- | anyone else in europe? :I |
| 07:24.14 | fridgid | isn't there an event that fires prior to d/c? |
| 07:24.19 | ramoz | I R I EUROPE |
| 07:24.23 | ramoz | IN* |
| 07:24.29 | Nargiddley | just watched it, got dc'd as it requested 13 |
| 07:24.34 | Nargiddley | going to try it manually |
| 07:25.31 | Nargiddley | yep, GameTooltip:SetHyperlink("item:13") dc's me |
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| 07:28.48 | Nargiddley | ok, and now its not :/ |
| 07:28.52 | theoddone33 | "item:1" dc'd me |
| 07:29.31 | Elkano | hmpf :/ |
| 07:30.13 | Nargiddley | now I cant get it to DC me again, tried 1-20 |
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| 07:31.21 | Nargiddley | doing 1-50 all at once does dc me tho |
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| 07:32.19 | theoddone33 | looking for 1 through itemmagic dc's me too |
| 07:32.21 | theoddone33 | fun |
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| 07:33.23 | Elkano | omg ^^ http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exploits_of_a_mom.png |
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| 07:35.00 | theoddone33 | heh |
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| 07:45.36 | kebinusan | Elkano: yeah I loved that one |
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| 07:49.53 | mathas1994_36371 | hi |
| 07:50.45 | starlon | What's a good alternative to Itemdb? Something's wrong with it right now. |
| 07:51.14 | starlon | Didn't Tuller write one? |
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| 07:53.08 | starlon | nvm found it - Ludwig |
| 07:54.41 | Elkano | starlon, we had just been looking into that issue with ItemDB :/ |
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| 07:55.45 | starlon | k |
| 07:56.02 | CIA-7 | 03sayclub * r53073 10AutoBar/Locale-koKR.lua: |
| 07:56.02 | CIA-7 | AutoBar : |
| 07:56.02 | CIA-7 | - Updated localization koKR |
| 07:56.03 | Elkano | seems like Blizzard has changed sth again :/ |
| 07:56.17 | starlon | came out of nowhere |
| 07:56.21 | starlon | it was fine lastnight |
| 07:56.32 | starlon | I thought my hard drive was going out |
| 07:56.38 | starlon | but the files are all fine |
| 07:57.36 | Elkano | you'll most likely get disconnects after login, aren't you? |
| 07:57.55 | starlon | yep |
| 07:59.29 | Grum | Elkano: 'sth' ? |
| 07:59.59 | Elkano | something |
| 08:00.27 | CIA-7 | 03next96 * r53074 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2.lua: |
| 08:00.27 | CIA-7 | Babble-2.2: |
| 08:00.27 | CIA-7 | - Update locale koKR |
| 08:01.59 | Guillotine | can anyone think of a reason that a frame wouldn't have an OnEvent handler available to assign a script to via SetScript? |
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| 08:03.30 | Xinhuan | Guillotine uh can you be more specific? |
| 08:04.32 | Xinhuan | not sure i understood that question |
| 08:04.47 | Guillotine | this script returns the error "Attempt to call field OnEven (a nil value)": |
| 08:04.47 | cryogen | morning |
| 08:04.49 | Guillotine | local NinjaDuckFrame=CreateFrame("Frame") |
| 08:04.49 | Guillotine | NinjaDuckFrame:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_SPELL_PERIODIC_SELF_BUFFS") |
| 08:04.55 | Guillotine | whoops |
| 08:05.07 | Guillotine | NinjaDuckFrame:SetScript("OnEvent",NinjaDuck.OnEvent()) |
| 08:05.15 | Guillotine | its that last part that returns the error :P |
| 08:05.26 | Xinhuan | can you cut/paste that error |
| 08:05.40 | Xinhuan | oh |
| 08:05.44 | Xinhuan | don't include the () |
| 08:06.10 | Guillotine | "attempt to call field OnEvent" |
| 08:06.14 | Xinhuan | exactly |
| 08:06.19 | Xinhuan | NinjaDuckFrame:SetScript("OnEvent",NinjaDuck.OnEvent) |
| 08:06.20 | Xinhuan | not |
| 08:06.21 | Xinhuan | NinjaDuckFrame:SetScript("OnEvent",NinjaDuck.OnEvent()) |
| 08:06.28 | Guillotine | oh, thats right |
| 08:06.30 | Xinhuan | you're calling the function and passing the return value to setscript |
| 08:06.35 | Xinhuan | and that function doesn't exist |
| 08:06.46 | Guillotine | whoops :( I really shouldn't do this at 1 in the morning when I woke up at 6 |
| 08:06.50 | Xinhuan | so you're essentially assigning "nil" |
| 08:07.06 | Guillotine | yah, I got it :) |
| 08:07.39 | Guillotine | for some reason I was thinking that "function() .. end" was automatically wrapped around the second part |
| 08:11.06 | CIA-7 | 03jerry * r53076 10PeriodicTable-3.0/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 08:11.06 | CIA-7 | PeriodicTable-3.0: |
| 08:11.06 | CIA-7 | _ Add Gear.Trinket and Misc.Usable.StartsQuest in the dataminer. |
| 08:11.06 | CIA-7 | _ Regenerate. |
| 08:11.20 | CIA-7 | 03hyperactiveChipmunk 07Alpha * r53077 10Ace3/AceTab-3.0/ (AceConfigTab-3.0.lua AceTab-3.0.lua AceTab-3.0.xml): |
| 08:11.20 | CIA-7 | AceTab-3.0: |
| 08:11.20 | CIA-7 | - Corrected comment for wlfunc in API description of :RegisterTabCompletion() to indicate that it passes the entire contents of the editbox as its second arg, not only the text prior to the string that's being completed. |
| 08:11.21 | CIA-7 | - Added AceConfigTab-3.0.lua, which will handle creating tab completions for |
| 08:11.23 | CIA-7 | AceConfig/AceConsole. It doesn't do anything yet, and probably will end up |
| 08:11.25 | CIA-7 | someplace else entirely. I've just drycoded a helper function that probably |
| 08:11.27 | CIA-7 | won't even work. It is, however, something to start with. Starting is good. |
| 08:12.50 | CIA-7 | 03ominous * r53075 10Tattle/ (38 files in 38 dirs): Tattle: daily run of the dataminer |
| 08:14.04 | Orionshock | anyone know a quick way to put a simple cross on the screen |
| 08:14.43 | CIA-7 | 03jerry * r53078 10PeriodicTable-3.0/ (3 files in 2 dirs): PeriodicTable-3.0: add 30817 and 4539 to Tradeskill.Mat.BySource.Vendor |
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| 08:16.43 | CIA-7 | 03hyperactiveChipmunk 07Alpha * r53079 10Ace3/AceTab-3.0/AceConfigTab-3.0.lua: |
| 08:16.43 | CIA-7 | AceTab-3.0: |
| 08:16.43 | CIA-7 | - typo in comment |
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| 08:51.39 | theoddone33 | so here's an idea for a mod |
| 08:51.45 | Kazie | http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lolgmxo0.gif <3 |
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| 08:52.25 | theoddone33 | something that takes data on raid bosses and how hard they hit with various attacks, plus frequency, then takes your target and estimates how much heal per second you need to keep them up against the boss |
| 08:53.05 | Orionshock | theoddone33: not practical |
| 08:53.17 | theoddone33 | no? |
| 08:53.33 | theoddone33 | I think it'd be good just for the comedy if nothing else |
| 08:53.38 | Orionshock | calcuation + response time + lag = useless |
| 08:53.44 | theoddone33 | "level 10 mage vs magtheridon" |
| 08:54.00 | theoddone33 | hm yeah |
| 08:54.17 | theoddone33 | well I'm thinking just something you look at before a fight |
| 08:54.24 | theoddone33 | to get an idea of whether you can gear for heal or gear for mana |
| 08:54.28 | Sole | WHATS UP |
| 08:54.32 | theoddone33 | which you may know already |
| 08:54.51 | theoddone33 | or if nothing else you know after a couple of attempts |
| 08:55.02 | clad|sleep | theoddone33: you have always been able to do this with CombatMonitor |
| 08:55.05 | clad|sleep | that's what it was written for... |
| 08:55.12 | theoddone33 | ahh excellent |
| 08:55.20 | cladhaire | and heals per second means nothing, honestly, with spike damage. |
| 08:55.45 | cladhaire | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7276-CombatMonitor2.html |
| 08:56.12 | theoddone33 | ah, neat |
| 08:56.26 | theoddone33 | yeah incoming dps translates pretty directly to hps |
| 08:56.30 | Antiarc | WWS needs a way to sort by guild progression and/or server. |
| 08:57.09 | theoddone33 | ah yeah |
| 08:57.12 | theoddone33 | I remember satrina's mods now |
| 08:57.19 | theoddone33 | and associated warrior guides |
| 08:57.37 | cladhaire | hehe, it was odd when I was still raiding |
| 08:57.40 | cladhaire | he made the warrior mods |
| 08:57.43 | cladhaire | i made the healer mods :P |
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| 08:57.54 | theoddone33 | cool |
| 08:58.32 | buu | Hrmph. |
| 08:58.32 | buu | Stupid rogues. |
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| 08:58.59 | Sole | NO U |
| 09:00.17 | theoddone33 | I kind of want eavesdrop to show me mana gains/losses |
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| 09:01.50 | Sole | http://poignantguide.net/ruby/ best guide ever |
| 09:03.16 | *** part/#wowace neenee (i=neenee@about/unixlove/neenee) |
| 09:03.43 | Orionshock | hehe auto bar dosn't like you /rl in combat |
| 09:04.16 | evl | Sole: Ruby is the best language ever :P |
| 09:04.35 | Sole | evl: Im just starting in it. looks pretty cool though |
| 09:04.41 | Sole | evl: Why's guide is pure gold though |
| 09:04.42 | evl | It's like poetry |
| 09:04.53 | evl | There's nothing that annoys me in ruby tbh |
| 09:04.56 | evl | it's just goood |
| 09:05.06 | theoddone33 | nice |
| 09:05.08 | Antiarc | Ruby is awesome. I love it. |
| 09:05.14 | theoddone33 | ruby has been on my to learn list for a while |
| 09:05.21 | theoddone33 | but I got sidetracked trying to learn ocaml |
| 09:05.33 | evl | think if wow was scripted in ruby instead of lua |
| 09:05.39 | evl | omg. |
| 09:05.51 | theoddone33 | maybe lua is easier to bind |
| 09:05.55 | theoddone33 | or faster |
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| 09:06.03 | theoddone33 | or full of double precision floating point by default |
| 09:06.18 | Sole | is ruby really THAT good? |
| 09:06.18 | evl | if you wanted speed you'd obviously chose Stackless Pything imho |
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| 09:06.28 | evl | ruby is the perfect OOP language |
| 09:06.33 | theoddone33 | stackless python? |
| 09:06.42 | Sole | hmm nifty |
| 09:06.45 | theoddone33 | I've heard it's still a little too heavy for console games |
| 09:06.46 | evl | yeah, c stack python it's what runs EVE Online among many others. |
| 09:06.49 | Sole | thats because a jap made it |
| 09:07.01 | theoddone33 | hm |
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| 09:07.11 | Sole | EVE is written on python? |
| 09:07.19 | evl | yes |
| 09:07.22 | evl | stackless python |
| 09:07.27 | Sole | NO STACKS? |
| 09:07.40 | evl | stacks are retarded for large games like EVE |
| 09:08.09 | evl | "Stackless Python is an enhanced version of the Python programming language. It allows programmers to reap the benefits of thread-based programming without the performance and complexity problems associated with conventional threads. The microthreads that Stackless adds to Python are a cheap and lightweight" |
| 09:08.41 | Bejitt | huh.. didnt know eve was in python |
| 09:08.43 | evl | If you thnk about EVE; where you have 300k players |
| 09:08.46 | evl | sharing one universe |
| 09:08.56 | evl | it's not hard to imaging the complexity of that main game loop |
| 09:09.18 | theoddone33 | I've never had a project that was good for learning a scripting language |
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| 09:09.29 | theoddone33 | so I usually don't get much further than basic syntax |
| 09:09.33 | evl | I learned ruby to play with Rails |
| 09:09.36 | theoddone33 | so they all seem the same to me |
| 09:09.37 | evl | it makes web programming laughable |
| 09:09.59 | Sole | thats why Im learning it evl |
| 09:10.01 | evl | people.first.addresses.push("My address") |
| 09:10.14 | Bejitt | theoddone33: check out generator expressions and the like |
| 09:10.16 | Antiarc | people[0].addresses << "My address" |
| 09:10.16 | evl | completely transparent database access without shitty performance |
| 09:10.18 | Antiarc | >_> |
| 09:10.31 | cladhaire | there's nothing you've said that's anything more than your opinion |
| 09:10.39 | cladhaire | and i respect that, but happen to disagree. |
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| 09:12.59 | baer_ | moin. |
| 09:13.10 | Bejitt | moinmoin? |
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| 09:13.31 | baer_ | nope, simply "moin". :) |
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| 09:16.02 | CIA-7 | 03ackis * r53080 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2.lua: |
| 09:16.02 | CIA-7 | Babble-2.2: |
| 09:16.02 | CIA-7 | - zhCN update |
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| 09:18.08 | Orionshock | anyone know how to get GEM to forceably update? |
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| 09:20.03 | baer_ | gem? the guild event manager? |
| 09:20.44 | Orionshock | ya |
| 09:22.56 | CIA-7 | 03bejitt * r53081 10Spyglass/ (. Spyglass.toc core.lua summary.lua): |
| 09:22.56 | CIA-7 | Spyglass: initial commit |
| 09:22.56 | CIA-7 | - Adds summary information to the blizzard inspect frames |
| 09:22.56 | CIA-7 | - Can store player equipment, which can be viewed anywhere |
| 09:23.04 | Bejitt | o_O |
| 09:23.18 | Bejitt | yay autoprops |
| 09:24.31 | Orionshock | Bejitt: meaning if they walk out of range you can still see the TT on their gear? |
| 09:24.57 | Diao | i'm assuming it's basically the same as examiner |
| 09:28.17 | Bejitt | Orionshock: yes |
| 09:28.23 | Bejitt | and you can load it from anywhere too |
| 09:28.26 | Bejitt | hmm |
| 09:29.02 | theoddone33 | ruby uses capitalization to infer constness? |
| 09:29.09 | theoddone33 | huh. |
| 09:30.22 | CIA-7 | 03ackis * r53082 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2.lua: |
| 09:30.22 | CIA-7 | Babble-2.2: |
| 09:30.22 | CIA-7 | - Babble-Tradeskill typo fixes for all locals (Nigh-Invulnerability Belt, Lavaforged Warhammer, Gyro-balanced Khorium Destroyer, Deathblow X11 Goggles, Spellfire Robe) |
| 09:30.44 | CIA-7 | 03ackis * r53083 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList.lua: |
| 09:30.44 | CIA-7 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 09:30.44 | CIA-7 | - Fixes for recipes (Nigh-Invulnerability Belt, Lavaforged Warhammer, Gyro-balanced Khorium Destroyer, Deathblow X11 Goggles, Spellfire Robe) |
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| 09:36.40 | Silviu- | ackis here ? |
| 09:37.12 | Silviu- | Typo in Babble |
| 09:37.13 | Silviu- | [2007/10/24 12:34:38-135-x1]: Babble-Tradeskill-2.2\Babble-Tradeskill-2.2.lua:7179: 'end' expected (to close 'function' at line 7138) near '[' |
| 09:41.51 | Industrial | Orionshock: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=9435.new#new |
| 09:44.38 | Industrial | :p |
| 09:46.17 | Silviu- | ~seen ackis |
| 09:46.20 | purl | ackis <n=blah@S0106000ea64881e9.ed.shawcable.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 5h 42m 8s ago, saying: 'and on a side note, i got a blessed band of karabor'. |
| 09:46.32 | Orionshock | oh no |
| 09:46.38 | Orionshock | the toll prolly owned me |
| 09:47.07 | Orionshock | ~fail Industrial |
| 09:47.08 | purl | Industrial: Fail. |
| 09:47.24 | CIA-7 | 03ackis * r53084 10AckisRecipeList/ (ARLLocals-enUS.lua AckisRecipeList.lua): |
| 09:47.24 | CIA-7 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 09:47.24 | CIA-7 | - Fix for goblin rocket fuel obtain infomration |
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| 09:53.56 | Bejitt | hmmm cant figure out how to set the svn:eol-style property with TSVN >_< |
| 09:54.36 | Silviu- | Right click on file |
| 09:54.39 | Silviu- | Properties |
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| 09:54.57 | Silviu- | And add svn:eol-style native |
| 09:55.10 | Bejitt | per-file basis? |
| 09:55.16 | Silviu- | Yes |
| 09:55.20 | the-golem | wooooo! \o/ |
| 09:55.22 | the-golem | got mah pocket watch |
| 09:55.23 | Bejitt | ahh that's the kicker |
| 09:55.35 | Diao | grats the-golem |
| 09:57.02 | Lukian | 7) Why isn't this an Ace addon? |
| 09:57.02 | Lukian | I wanted to keep this as small as possible. Considering the simplicity of the mod, I didn't think it warranted all the overhead associated with Ace. However, it does live in the SVN, which means you can use the WoWAceUpdater to keep it current. |
| 09:57.23 | Lukian | lol, AzuarcLevelGuide. |
| 09:58.55 | cladhaire | Lukian: why is that lol? |
| 09:59.33 | Lukian | I find it strange that non-ace addons live in the svn ^^ |
| 09:59.43 | cladhaire | clearly you haven't been here very long then |
| 09:59.55 | neenee | It's not strange if it was created by an author who makes Ace addons |
| 10:00.04 | Nargiddley` | its not strange full stop |
| 10:00.07 | cladhaire | its not strange period. |
| 10:00.10 | cladhaire | :P |
| 10:00.19 | cladhaire | so im' flashing my samsung u700v |
| 10:00.23 | cladhaire | we'll see how this goes :P |
| 10:00.26 | cladhaire | debranding ftw |
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| 10:01.26 | Silviu- | Lf a person that can fix Babble-Tradeskill-2.2 :( |
| 10:02.17 | Silviu- | A typo only ! ;p [2007/10/24 13:00:34-136-x1]: Babble-Tradeskill-2.2\Babble-Tradeskill-2.2.lua:7179: 'end' expected (to close 'function' at line 7138) near '[' |
| 10:02.58 | Orionshock | ... has BW been around longer than DBM? |
| 10:04.18 | Lukian | I'm wondering that myself. And which is more up to date / accurate? |
| 10:04.36 | ramoz | BW is more up to date |
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| 10:05.47 | ramoz | or well |
| 10:05.50 | ramoz | not anymore |
| 10:05.59 | ramoz | since DBM has all bosses now |
| 10:06.10 | ramoz | illidan and illidari council was recently added |
| 10:07.21 | SunTsu | Orionshock: I think DBM is around longer. I heard of Vendetta BossMods long before anybody was talking about BigWigs |
| 10:07.34 | CIA-7 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r652 10/trunk/TourGuide/Alliance/ (53_54_Felwood.lua 54_Ungoro_Crater.lua): TourGuide - Guide tweaking after play-testing |
| 10:08.05 | ramoz | well |
| 10:08.18 | ramoz | a guilde of mine has used bigwigs since we started MC |
| 10:08.34 | ramoz | i didnt hear about la vendetta and bigwigs before AQ |
| 10:08.39 | Orionshock | im slowly converting ppl in my guild to ace |
| 10:09.17 | theoddone33 | grid is good for that |
| 10:09.21 | Lukian | I installed a few addons the other day.. but I have no idea which one is showing item quality and durability in my character pane. |
| 10:09.31 | Bejitt | where can i find some info about embeds.xml? not sure if that's being automated or what o_O |
| 10:09.37 | theoddone33 | yeah I used to have that problem |
| 10:09.40 | theoddone33 | still do sometimes |
| 10:09.45 | CIA-7 | 03shag * r53085 10GridStatusMissingBuffs/GridStatusMissingBuffs.lua: |
| 10:09.45 | CIA-7 | GridStatusMissingBuffs |
| 10:09.45 | CIA-7 | - Added settings to display missing buffs on self/party/raid |
| 10:09.48 | theoddone33 | now I try to install only a couple at a time |
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| 10:11.07 | SunTsu | Orionshock: I do so, too |
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| 10:14.30 | Lukian | theoddone33, on the upside, I'm not particularly fussed, because it's a decent feature |
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| 10:18.09 | CIA-7 | 03helium * r53086 10Cartographer/Cartographer_InstanceNotes/ (enUS.lua koKR.lua module.lua notes.lua zhCN.lua zhTW.lua): |
| 10:18.09 | CIA-7 | Cartographer: |
| 10:18.09 | CIA-7 | - InstanceNotes: extract more localizable string to enUS |
| 10:18.09 | CIA-7 | - InstanceNotes: correct the spelling of "General Drakkisath" and "Warchief Rend Blackhand" |
| 10:18.09 | CIA-7 | - InstanceNotes: remove the localization of regex "Lvl ([%d%?]+) (.*)" and "Lvl ([%d%?]+) Elite (.*)", these 2 strings should not be localized |
| 10:18.14 | CIA-7 | - InstanceNotes: updated zhTW localization |
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| 10:35.34 | Orionshock | so is there anything BAD BAD BAD about not returning a a hook on the UIErrorsFrame ? |
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| 10:37.26 | [Ammo] | incomplete hooking is bad bad bad |
| 10:37.43 | evl | I thought Michael Jackson was bad? |
| 10:38.05 | Diao | looks like babble-2.2 tradeskill is missing an end |
| 10:38.11 | Diao | after the latest update |
| 10:39.09 | CIA-7 | 03bejitt * r53087 10Spyglass/ (. Spyglass.toc): |
| 10:39.09 | CIA-7 | Spyglass: |
| 10:39.09 | CIA-7 | - TOC dependencies and externals fixes |
| 10:39.15 | Lukian | Alternatives to "MailInfo" ? |
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| 10:40.32 | poxk | anyone wanna fix the syntax error in babble-tradeskill? :) |
| 10:41.07 | *** mode/#wowace [+o vhaarr] by ChanServ |
| 10:41.09 | evl | I could teach you, but I've gotta charge |
| 10:41.16 | vhaarr | 2.3: " * Creature AI has been changed to no longer prioritize attacking unfeared targets over feared targets." |
| 10:41.27 | Bejitt | vhaarr: yeSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
| 10:41.36 | vhaarr | that's a pretty significant change |
| 10:41.40 | Bejitt | yeah |
| 10:41.44 | cryogen | more hunter buffs |
| 10:41.57 | Fin | no squishies dying every fear |
| 10:42.06 | CIA-7 | 03ackis * r53088 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2.lua: |
| 10:42.06 | CIA-7 | Babble-2.2: |
| 10:42.06 | CIA-7 | - Fixed a problem with Korean translation (an extra { was kicking around) |
| 10:42.07 | Fin | +resist |
| 10:42.24 | tig | well but tanks getting hit on the back... |
| 10:42.38 | cryogen | so they really have made fear ward completely useless, credit to them for that i guess |
| 10:42.38 | Bejitt | maybe once |
| 10:42.44 | Bejitt | but it's that or dance it |
| 10:42.57 | vhaarr | cryogen: not for pvp |
| 10:43.01 | Bejitt | yea cryogen |
| 10:43.16 | cryogen | pvp shcmeevp |
| 10:43.28 | Bejitt | i think pvp was the point to the FW change, and they wanted to keep pve where it was ... but better? |
| 10:43.30 | cryogen | s/hc/ch/ |
| 10:43.44 | poxk | i still forsea lotsa ppl getting cleaved & stuff :) |
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| 10:47.04 | Xinhuan | nah, i forsee the tank getting feared, turn his back towards the boss |
| 10:47.08 | Xinhuan | and dies to crushing |
| 10:47.13 | Xinhuan | can't block, parry, dodge while feared |
| 10:47.45 | cryogen | if tanks dont get feared now, this change wont affect that |
| 10:48.11 | cryogen | what it will change is priests dying to instagib because they resist fear in the short time it takes to activate zerker rage or get a pulse from tremor |
| 10:49.23 | SunTsu | Xinhuan: Well, every priest can do fear ward then, so just put it on the tank, no more problem, or do I have a basic misunderstanding? |
| 10:49.24 | cryogen | i would definately not advise ignoring zerker rage and tremor totem based on this change |
| 10:49.40 | Xinhuan | 3 min cooldown |
| 10:49.44 | cryogen | SunTsu: what fear encounters do you know that 3 minute cooldown would be useful? :) |
| 10:50.42 | cryogen | Jumper Cables XL is no longer a trinket. |
| 10:50.43 | cryogen | cool |
| 10:51.06 | SunTsu | cryogen: Hm, I think not a single one. But does fear ward really only last for one fear? |
| 10:51.57 | cryogen | yep |
| 10:52.09 | cryogen | it used to have a very low cooldown |
| 10:52.20 | SunTsu | OK, I'll try to get more priests and shamans ;) |
| 10:52.20 | cryogen | so if you had 2 or more priests with it, it was possible to keep it up every fear |
| 10:52.28 | ramoz | to do archimonde you'd have to bring 6 priests |
| 10:52.37 | ramoz | no need for tremor or zerkerstance then :P |
| 10:53.30 | SunTsu | .o0( The day I will see archimonde will be the day I reach lvl80 ;) ) |
| 10:54.27 | cryogen | f you are in a shapeshift form and try to use an ability that may only be used in caster form, you will leave the form and use that ability. This means that you can shift from one form to another in one action. If you don.t have mana to shift form, you will get an error message and remain in your current form. |
| 10:54.32 | cryogen | interesting |
| 10:56.07 | SunTsu | cryogen: That too is bound for disaster while tanking and hitting the wrong button |
| 10:56.26 | cryogen | you can disable it |
| 10:56.28 | CIA-7 | 03helium * r53089 10Cartographer/Cartographer_InstanceLoot/InstanceLoot.lua: |
| 10:56.28 | CIA-7 | Cartographer: |
| 10:56.28 | CIA-7 | - InstanceLoot: display boss loot in Blackrock Spire |
| 10:56.31 | cryogen | but on the whole it's useful |
| 10:57.23 | SunTsu | Yes, it is, so I can use innervation or rebirth in short breaks during boss fights |
| 10:57.52 | SunTsu | Or pots |
| 10:58.03 | cryogen | indeed |
| 10:58.14 | cryogen | would make a 2 click pot macro very possible |
| 10:58.19 | cryogen | (if it wasnt already) |
| 10:58.22 | cryogen | . Drums can now be used while shapeshifted. |
| 10:58.26 | cryogen | o_O at that :) |
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| 10:58.42 | SunTsu | But it's potential for disaster is real huge |
| 10:58.58 | cryogen | indeed |
| 10:59.10 | SunTsu | cryogen: Well, great news for me. I always was looking for somebeody in the group or raid to give the drums to |
| 10:59.33 | cryogen | In addition, sorting is now done on the server so as you page thru results, items will appear to be sorted across the entire results instead of just the page you.re looking at. |
| 10:59.37 | cryogen | about time! |
| 11:00.27 | cryogen | . When you are possessing a target (Priest Mind Control, Eyes of the Beast, using a Steam Tonk, etc), you now get their action bar as your primary action bar rather than having a mini action bar above your normal action bar. |
| 11:00.32 | cryogen | also cool |
| 11:01.09 | SunTsu | ack |
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| 11:06.54 | cryogen | 2.3 looks very cool indeed |
| 11:06.57 | cryogen | wish theyd get on with it :) |
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| 11:08.53 | SunTsu | I wish, too, my alts are right over level 30 ;) |
| 11:09.26 | Elkano | tadaima |
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| 11:17.22 | Diao | wow wtf |
| 11:17.28 | Diao | druid rogue is such a gay 2v2 team |
| 11:17.31 | Diao | cyclone/blind spam |
| 11:17.36 | Diao | never get a heal off |
| 11:18.53 | cryogen | if you think that's bad, try druid/warlock |
| 11:19.14 | Provus | Blind is being put on the same DR timer as cyclone |
| 11:19.16 | Provus | in 2.3 |
| 11:20.06 | sb | well 2.3 |
| 11:20.32 | sb | resto druid could 1vs2 all others then :o |
| 11:20.32 | Provus | I'm excited about Chastise :> |
| 11:20.41 | Provus | I'll be able to mana burn a good resto druid. |
| 11:20.58 | cryogen | what's chatise? |
| 11:20.59 | cryogen | +s |
| 11:21.17 | Provus | Well, they're nerfing the hell out of fear ward, but giving it to all priests, so they needed something to replace the dwarf and draenei racial. |
| 11:21.21 | Provus | And thus Chastise was born. |
| 11:21.26 | cryogen | oh the stun thing |
| 11:21.36 | Provus | 0.5 second cast time. 2 second incapacitate (like a gouge), 30 second cooldown, and only a 0.5 second GCD |
| 11:21.55 | cryogen | a good resto druid would probably out regen your burns |
| 11:21.59 | Provus | ..uh |
| 11:22.07 | Provus | It's m ana burn. |
| 11:22.11 | Provus | The point isn't to do damage. |
| 11:22.13 | Provus | It's to burn their mana. |
| 11:22.19 | cryogen | out regen mana wise |
| 11:22.19 | cryogen | duh |
| 11:22.57 | Provus | How so? |
| 11:22.59 | Korben | hi had a question about top score fu any reson it dosent show me all my damages :p |
| 11:23.12 | Korben | like my rogues posions dosent show in the score |
| 11:24.53 | cryogen | Korben: did it ever? |
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| 11:25.23 | cryogen | Provus: put it this way i know some *good* resto druids and they dont complain about mana burn |
| 11:25.41 | Lukian | Korben, probably because poisons can't be tracked to the applier? |
| 11:25.50 | Provus | The reason they don't complain about mana burn is because they can shift to a different form that doesn't have mana |
| 11:26.00 | Provus | Thus being immune to it |
| 11:26.45 | Korben | hmm lukian i thought its from combat log u track the scors |
| 11:26.47 | Provus | Chastise is going to change that. |
| 11:26.59 | Korben | but my mage have the issue with the trinket |
| 11:27.05 | Korben | that u get from illhof |
| 11:27.20 | Lukian | Korben, So in the combat log it says "<name> suffer's x damage from <name's> deadly poison" ? |
| 11:27.20 | Korben | Lighting Capacitor |
| 11:27.40 | Korben | to be honest i cant remeber right now |
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| 11:27.52 | Korben | but recount manages to keep track of my dot time |
| 11:27.55 | Korben | aka posion |
| 11:28.17 | Korben | and it dose that for each rogue so i suspect it have my name in the log |
| 11:29.28 | Wobin_ | I don't know about that |
| 11:29.41 | Wobin_ | I thought poisons were ... anonymous |
| 11:29.48 | Wobin_ | well at least to the combat log |
| 11:29.59 | Korben | hmm let me check |
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| 11:30.30 | Korben | ghaaaaaa so big text files :P |
| 11:30.53 | Korben | Your Instant Poison VII hits Greyheart Tidecaller for 215 Nature damage. |
| 11:31.25 | Korben | thats what combat log says |
| 11:31.57 | Korben | or Greyheart Tidecaller suffers 155 Nature damage from your Deadly Poison VII. |
| 11:32.41 | Wobin | what about other rogue's poisons |
| 11:32.47 | Korben | looking |
| 11:33.29 | Korben | Mithrill 's Instant Poison VII hits Leotheras the Blind for 207 Nature damage. |
| 11:33.41 | Wobin | woo |
| 11:33.43 | Korben | so thos are defently diffrent |
| 11:33.46 | Wobin | nice |
| 11:33.55 | Provus | How are you logging your combat logs? |
| 11:34.02 | Korben | Leotheras the Blind suffers 48 Nature damage from Mithrill 's Deadly Poison VII. |
| 11:34.15 | Korben | i use AutoCL |
| 11:34.17 | Korben | a addon |
| 11:34.25 | Korben | but its no longer updated i tthink |
| 11:34.26 | evl | Ii there any variable available with the list of possible classes? |
| 11:34.51 | Wobin | I'm just using blizzards combatlog loggin |
| 11:34.55 | Wobin | and it shows like that |
| 11:34.57 | Korben | yea |
| 11:35.00 | Korben | wobin |
| 11:35.03 | Korben | hehe forgot the command |
| 11:35.07 | Korben | its combat log |
| 11:35.10 | Korben | or something like that |
| 11:35.22 | Wobin | I've forgotten |
| 11:35.22 | Korben | ./ before also ofcoz |
| 11:35.26 | Wobin | and subsequently have a 12M log =P |
| 11:35.43 | Korben | this addon i added lik TK and SSC so i only log combats in there |
| 11:36.00 | Korben | also dont forget to go in to ur config file and put all range to 200 and not 100 |
| 11:38.23 | Korben | hehe |
| 11:38.31 | Korben | wobin my logs around 25 30 mb :P |
| 11:39.40 | Elkano | evl, the raid colortable keys maybe? |
| 11:39.51 | evl | Elkano: ah thanks |
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| 11:40.16 | cncfanatics | yo ppl |
| 11:40.31 | cryogen | afternoon |
| 11:40.43 | the-golem | !c us drak'thul mistblade |
| 11:40.51 | the-golem | ... |
| 11:41.16 | the-golem | !c us Drak'Thul Mistblade |
| 11:41.21 | the-golem | :-( |
| 11:41.59 | the-golem | i forgot the bots name, i was just looking for it, lol |
| 11:42.14 | Provus | cnc! |
| 11:42.18 | the-golem | well, sharkhide cloak finally dropped! |
| 11:42.36 | Provus | You're on early today. |
| 11:42.56 | Korben | tcgs tradeskills not on ace files ? |
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| 11:44.14 | cncfanatics | Provus; yea I am :p |
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| 11:46.38 | I_D | [13:43] <the-golem> well, sharkhide cloak finally dropped! |
| 11:46.49 | I_D | I grinded sv till exalted, and then a few weeks till I got mine |
| 11:47.04 | I_D | back in the day |
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| 11:56.45 | Diao | grats the-golem again lol |
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| 12:15.39 | the-golem | hehe thanks |
| 12:15.48 | the-golem | Diao: ping |
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| 12:19.19 | Diao | what's up |
| 12:20.58 | CIA-7 | 03sayclub * r53090 10GridStatusMissingBuffs/GridStatusMissingBuffs.lua: |
| 12:20.58 | CIA-7 | GridStatusMissingBuffs : |
| 12:20.58 | CIA-7 | - Updated localization koKR |
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| 12:22.18 | Diao | the-golem: pong ;p |
| 12:22.34 | the-golem | :-) |
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| 12:23.50 | the-golem | Diao: so i was looking at G'eras for no reason, when I found the plate helm for 50 badges, i think i ignored it before because i was like omgnostamina .. |
| 12:24.25 | the-golem | but i just did the math, and realized i'd only be down 8 stamina from the Eternium helm .. and its got more avoidance stats |
| 12:24.29 | Diao | actually that helm was added recently |
| 12:24.34 | Diao | in the last patch i think |
| 12:24.39 | the-golem | really? |
| 12:24.40 | Diao | yea |
| 12:24.44 | the-golem | i havent looked in a while |
| 12:24.45 | Diao | it didn't exist before |
| 12:25.22 | the-golem | should i go for that? ... for the +dodge and +block rating? defense is only down by 2 |
| 12:25.33 | the-golem | and only like 50 less armor |
| 12:25.51 | Diao | well |
| 12:25.55 | Diao | do you have the eternium already? |
| 12:25.58 | the-golem | yeah |
| 12:26.10 | Diao | mm |
| 12:26.18 | Diao | if you're having trouble staying alive on any encounters |
| 12:26.24 | Diao | then yeah |
| 12:26.35 | the-golem | im usually fine, except for prince, lol |
| 12:26.38 | Diao | lol |
| 12:27.23 | the-golem | but i notice you get less benefit from +dodge rating |
| 12:27.35 | Diao | well dodge is expensive |
| 12:27.39 | the-golem | lol |
| 12:27.40 | Diao | so is parry |
| 12:27.43 | the-golem | yeah |
| 12:28.44 | the-golem | i was also looking at the T4 (which dropped before but i passed on it, cuz i just barely got the eternium helm) which can have just abuot the same health and defense, and has block rating and block value |
| 12:29.32 | Diao | yeah |
| 12:29.37 | Diao | t4 is actually a slight upgrade due to ilvl |
| 12:29.44 | the-golem | i sorta ignored it before, because i was concentrating on defense ... but i have over 500 now, so i can afford to loose a little bit |
| 12:29.54 | the-golem | ilvl? |
| 12:30.02 | Diao | item level |
| 12:30.05 | the-golem | ooh |
| 12:30.23 | the-golem | plus if i can get the shoulders, which i actually really want, i can get the 2 item set |
| 12:30.27 | Diao | yeah |
| 12:30.28 | the-golem | bonus |
| 12:30.30 | Diao | t4 shoulders are awesome |
| 12:30.33 | the-golem | question |
| 12:30.43 | the-golem | when its 200 damage |
| 12:31.00 | the-golem | is that UP TO 200, or 200 off every attk for 15 secs |
| 12:31.35 | Diao | i'm not sure actually, i only use the t4 shoulders |
| 12:31.39 | the-golem | lol |
| 12:31.52 | the-golem | if its only the first one, then its a totally useless effect |
| 12:31.58 | Diao | i can ask one of my other guild tanks who has the bonus |
| 12:32.31 | the-golem | i never considered the other option till today, but there was something with a similar effect i saw, that was a reduction off each attack |
| 12:32.46 | Diao | i happened to get all the off-set pieces except the shoulders off netherspite from kara so i never took the t4 items since other tanks needed the upgrade more |
| 12:33.01 | the-golem | yeah |
| 12:33.19 | the-golem | i got the sethekk halls one, so i dont really need netherspite |
| 12:33.32 | the-golem | but T4 would be awesome |
| 12:33.56 | the-golem | my parry is really low, only like 16% |
| 12:34.34 | the-golem | plus, i still dont have real tank boots |
| 12:34.35 | the-golem | lol |
| 12:34.41 | the-golem | so theres defense there that im missing |
| 12:35.31 | Diao | oh |
| 12:35.35 | Diao | yeah my parry is still around 17% |
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| 12:36.15 | Diao | i have no parry rating pieces so all my parry comes from base/talent/defense |
| 12:36.29 | the-golem | yeah same |
| 12:36.31 | CIA-7 | 03pettigrow * r53091 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua: Babble-2.2: Spell: frFR Update |
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| 12:37.49 | the-golem | wtf .. http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=29296 |
| 12:37.53 | the-golem | where do i get taht? |
| 12:38.35 | Diao | uh |
| 12:38.37 | Diao | it's a quest |
| 12:38.39 | Diao | when you do hyjal |
| 12:38.44 | Diao | like the kara rep reward |
| 12:38.53 | Diao | except it's with the hyjal faction |
| 12:38.54 | the-golem | oh |
| 12:38.56 | the-golem | eww |
| 12:38.59 | Provus | I always found those kind of quests weird. |
| 12:39.02 | the-golem | hyjal is 25man? |
| 12:39.08 | Diao | yea |
| 12:39.11 | the-golem | yeah lol |
| 12:39.14 | baer_ | umm... what's that strange lines in pitbull? oO |
| 12:39.15 | the-golem | nver gonna do that :P |
| 12:39.18 | Diao | lol |
| 12:39.22 | Provus | "We'll give you this awesome ring when you kill the guys we don't like twenty times. The same guys. Fourth wall be damned." |
| 12:39.25 | the-golem | baer_: heal lines or something |
| 12:39.31 | cryogen | interact lines |
| 12:39.34 | cryogen | disable the module |
| 12:39.36 | baer_ | yes, red and green-colored lines. |
| 12:39.38 | the-golem | yeah |
| 12:39.46 | the-golem | i disabled it on mine |
| 12:39.51 | baer_ | which one is it? |
| 12:39.52 | cryogen | its not on by default |
| 12:39.54 | cryogen | Interaction |
| 12:39.58 | the-golem | yes it is |
| 12:40.09 | cryogen | only if you "enable all" it is |
| 12:40.11 | baer_ | ok, tx. |
| 12:40.12 | cryogen | wasnt for me at least |
| 12:40.17 | the-golem | it was for me |
| 12:40.23 | the-golem | :-( |
| 12:40.25 | Diao | was |
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| 12:40.28 | Diao | not for me either |
| 12:40.37 | Diao | but i've had pitbull since it was in like alpha lol |
| 12:40.48 | Diao | so my settings have been the same |
| 12:40.49 | cryogen | yeah ive had it some time |
| 12:41.01 | poxk | moo |
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| 12:41.40 | the-golem | diao whats ur tank name? |
| 12:44.16 | Xinhuan | its called Diao ;p |
| 12:47.03 | Diao | lol |
| 12:47.47 | Diao | Diaox actually cause someone took the name on a level 1 alt and never logged into it |
| 12:50.41 | Provus | I bet there are people who have name-squatting fetishes. They'll register multiple accounts and start taking up 10 names on every single server in the game with each of them. |
| 12:50.49 | Provus | It's the only damn explanation. |
| 12:50.53 | Diao | lol |
| 12:50.58 | Trell_ | i agree Provus. |
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| 12:55.48 | Orionshock | anyone know how to disable DoTimmer from in game? |
| 12:55.57 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.58 | nevcairiel | there is an slash option |
| 12:57.02 | nevcairiel | dunno what |
| 12:57.11 | Orionshock | but what is the real question |
| 12:57.43 | balstor_ | sigh some news headlines are misleading..... |
| 12:57.58 | nevcairiel | i havent used DoTimer, only seen people talk about it here some time ago, because DoTimer is like the spammiest addon ever on Comm |
| 12:58.19 | cncfanatics | * When you are possessing a target (Priest Mind Control, Eyes of the Beast, using a Steam Tonk, etc), you now get their action bar as your primary action bar rather than having a mini action bar above your normal action bar. anyone a clue how they are implementing that . |
| 12:58.34 | balstor_ | no but it worries me |
| 12:58.35 | nevcairiel | hm thats going to be fun |
| 12:58.55 | nevcairiel | at least it solves some issues with tainting in combat |
| 12:59.10 | nevcairiel | like, petbar wont show because its tainted etc :P |
| 12:59.19 | cncfanatics | ya |
| 12:59.23 | cncfanatics | but, how are they doing that ?. |
| 12:59.30 | cncfanatics | remapping actionbuttons to pet buttons ? |
| 12:59.37 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 12:59.41 | nevcairiel | is that on PTR yet? |
| 12:59.42 | balstor | my intial guess is there adding a new stance to everyone |
| 12:59.48 | cncfanatics | or are they hardcoding it so that actionid's will use the pet action instead of their own action |
| 12:59.53 | cncfanatics | balstor, doubt it |
| 12:59.53 | nevcairiel | nah, stances cant do that |
| 12:59.54 | Provus | Interesting. That would make Water Elemental button into Freeze pretty easy with flexbar, right? |
| 12:59.59 | Lukian | <cncfanatics> * When you are possessing a target (Priest Mind Control, Eyes of the Beast, using a Steam Tonk, etc), you now get their action bar as your primary action bar rather than having a mini action bar above your normal action bar. anyone a clue how they are implementing that <- hahaha! |
| 13:00.02 | cncfanatics | Provus, that has nothing to do with it |
| 13:00.09 | Provus | :< |
| 13:00.12 | Lukian | *removes everything from ActionBar and uses keybinds* ? |
| 13:00.26 | Provus | yur mean |
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| 13:00.45 | cncfanatics | if they do it correctly its np |
| 13:00.51 | balstor | hey cnc two things to implement :P /fb2 setfontscale textid= [button|group]= |
| 13:00.54 | cncfanatics | btw, is it possible to remap buttons depending on what pet is up ? |
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| 13:01.00 | cncfanatics | you can't scale fonts,balstor |
| 13:01.03 | cncfanatics | as far as I know anyway |
| 13:01.15 | balstor | hmmm i meant size |
| 13:01.45 | balstor | and an option to haide the blizz stance bar... |
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| 13:02.11 | balstor | I don't think that new pet stuff is on the ptr yet , |
| 13:02.19 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: i suppose you could use the new state driver and use [pet:] syntax, like in macros =P |
| 13:03.13 | Trell_ | I asked this the other day, but didn't get a reply - anyone have any idea why my totem button settings within Autobar aren't saving across sessions? Each time I login, I disable them from showing, and when I relog, they come back again >_< |
| 13:03.41 | Trell_ | only seems to happen with the air and fire totem buttons, and rarely the water one |
| 13:04.07 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, ya I guess, I already use the state driver so |
| 13:04.13 | Provus | You know what would be a neat feature? |
| 13:04.18 | cncfanatics | is it pet:petid or pet:petname ? |
| 13:04.34 | Provus | If when you pressed a button, every other button but the one you pressed faded a bit, to emphasize the button press. |
| 13:04.50 | Provus | I imagine the pvp crowd would like that for making videos. |
| 13:06.48 | cncfanatics | could make a mod for that I guess, not even hard |
| 13:07.09 | cncfanatics | alpha ain't protected in combat |
| 13:07.50 | Xinhuan | i'm going to guess its not possible to remap anything in combat |
| 13:08.39 | Provus | I think that's the case. |
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| 13:09.18 | xyu` | wassssabiii |
| 13:09.21 | cncfanatics | you can't configure remaps in combat |
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| 13:09.29 | cncfanatics | but remaps that have been configured before combat, and are allowed by blizz, will work |
| 13:10.08 | Provus | Wait what? |
| 13:10.17 | balstor | cnc according to the patch notes that change should have gone live on tuesday |
| 13:10.26 | cncfanatics | I can't check PTR till november :( |
| 13:10.31 | cncfanatics | no bandwith to dl the PTR patches xD |
| 13:10.53 | balstor | wander to a library with a usb drive? |
| 13:11.18 | balstor | what do you need to know??how they are doing it? |
| 13:12.43 | xyu` | Creature AI has been changed to no longer prioritize attacking unfeared targets over feared targets. |
| 13:12.48 | xyu` | Wow horde finally get fear ward and they nerf it |
| 13:12.49 | cncfanatics | balstor, mainly yea |
| 13:12.55 | cncfanatics | they don't nerf fear ward |
| 13:12.57 | cncfanatics | they nerf npc fear |
| 13:13.00 | xyu` | i mean fear |
| 13:13.01 | xyu` | yes |
| 13:13.10 | cncfanatics | thats good tbh |
| 13:13.11 | balstor | the nerfed fear ward |
| 13:13.17 | cncfanatics | fear ward got nerfed heavily too |
| 13:13.18 | balstor | look at it's cooldown now |
| 13:13.20 | xyu` | why change it so late in the game? |
| 13:13.27 | xyu` | this mechanic has been around so long |
| 13:13.30 | xyu` | and we've learned to deal w/ it |
| 13:13.34 | kenlyric | uh. |
| 13:13.35 | balstor | cause it made life to easy for the alliance |
| 13:13.38 | cncfanatics | with that change tbh, fear ward will go to healers, not tanks |
| 13:13.45 | xyu` | yes |
| 13:13.54 | kenlyric | you can make that claim about everything blizzard changes. |
| 13:13.54 | xyu` | unless you absolutey need shield block or something |
| 13:14.00 | cncfanatics | correction, alliance learned to live with it, and horde warriors |
| 13:14.06 | cncfanatics | horde palas & druids were fucked on any fear fight |
| 13:14.12 | kenlyric | so it's really a silly statement. |
| 13:15.16 | xyu` | nightbane , sanguinar stage 4. all pretty much jokes now imo |
| 13:15.21 | kenlyric | they're still pretty well fucked, unless fear happens every three minutes... :) |
| 13:15.33 | Provus | Chastise is going to be awesome. |
| 13:15.48 | xyu` | this helps pally, druid tanks a ton though |
| 13:15.53 | xyu` | so i guess i'm happy about that |
| 13:16.08 | kenlyric | xyu`: I don't think that change affects the threat wipe of fear. |
| 13:16.08 | cncfanatics | ok hmmm, here's the deal |
| 13:16.09 | balstor | cnc I disagree horde tanks learned how to break fear, alliance tanks learned how to recruit a dwarf priest |
| 13:16.24 | cncfanatics | how do u disagree there ? |
| 13:16.34 | balstor | yhea fear no longer wipes threat, in the latest patch |
| 13:16.35 | Eggi | every good alliance tank can also break fear ;) |
| 13:16.36 | kenlyric | sounds more like an AI change to choosing CC targets, like it does with sheep/shackle |
| 13:16.49 | cncfanatics | tbh |
| 13:16.49 | kenlyric | balstor: intentionally? |
| 13:16.57 | xyu` | I think it'll just run around chasing the tank |
| 13:16.58 | cncfanatics | thats as simple as, removing fear from the NPC AI CC list |
| 13:17.00 | xyu` | maybe get a crushing blow in |
| 13:17.02 | xyu` | hitting from behind |
| 13:17.06 | cryogen | fear never wiped threat |
| 13:17.12 | cryogen | it just made mobs target stuff not in fear |
| 13:17.16 | cryogen | now it doesnt |
| 13:17.23 | balstor | yhea patch notes said it, i guess there makeing it easier for driuids and paladins BUT there was a catch it said creatures |
| 13:17.30 | xyu` | yeah, when we had a pally tank we would just make sure everyone gets hit by fear |
| 13:17.34 | xyu` | and the mob would just follow the tank in fear |
| 13:17.43 | kenlyric | is it random? |
| 13:17.47 | balstor | so not sure if it applies to hummnouds like in ZG |
| 13:17.54 | kenlyric | does it randomly change target, or just stick with threat? |
| 13:17.58 | cryogen | threat |
| 13:18.10 | cryogen | the highest threat non-feared person in its list |
| 13:18.26 | kenlyric | so pretty much the only issue is the tank maintaining positing. |
| 13:18.28 | cryogen | might depend on range |
| 13:18.31 | balstor | I actually wished they wouldn't have done this cause it makes gluth impossiple in Naxx now |
| 13:18.41 | cryogen | kenlyric: and the fact your defenses mean jack while feared |
| 13:18.52 | balstor | also means you can do the oold double tank onyxia trick |
| 13:19.04 | xyu` | naxx is being revamped soon anyway |
| 13:19.06 | kenlyric | cryogen: well, your defenses are better than priest defenses :) |
| 13:19.13 | cryogen | kenlyric: well, quite :) |
| 13:19.26 | cncfanatics | hmmmz, I wonder why blizz can't just make pet actions like every other damn action |
| 13:19.27 | cryogen | this change doesnt change anything apart from priests getting insta gibbed |
| 13:19.32 | cncfanatics | instead of enforcing a damn 10 actionlimit on it |
| 13:19.43 | kenlyric | this makes the fear reduction talents slightly less dangerous around bad tanks :) |
| 13:19.46 | cryogen | i cant see anyone change how they treat fear because of this change |
| 13:19.54 | xyu` | it'll make my pug heroic shadowlabs easier :D |
| 13:19.58 | cryogen | it just means priests can breath easily when they resist fear |
| 13:20.01 | cryogen | +e |
| 13:20.23 | balstor | yhea but the core is issue is the tank gets feared the aoe breathing mob nows chases a tank into a group of healers kill them, where before you could just keep a dps warrior #2 on threat and he/she just rotates around to take the AOE sparing the clothies |
| 13:20.33 | kenlyric | in fact, i'd call the fear reduction talents almost desirable for healers now. |
| 13:20.39 | xyu` | will this eliminate the need for stance dancing, which is a kind of "skill" i hate see go. And it was fun ^_^ |
| 13:20.46 | cncfanatics | no it won't |
| 13:20.47 | cryogen | xyu`: like hell it will |
| 13:20.51 | cncfanatics | still being unfeared > feared |
| 13:20.52 | balstor | it makes stance dancing MORE important |
| 13:20.57 | cryogen | xyu`: youd be stupid to let yourself stay feared |
| 13:21.31 | kenlyric | fear ward can't be proactive can it? |
| 13:21.37 | cryogen | balstor: said warrior just has to do more work if you keep that target :) |
| 13:21.42 | cryogen | fear ward *is* proactive, yes |
| 13:21.45 | kenlyric | errr, I mean reactive |
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| 13:21.48 | cryogen | no |
| 13:21.52 | cryogen | that's tremor totem |
| 13:22.08 | cryogen | balstor: s/target/tactic/ |
| 13:22.19 | Xinhuan | it'll be bad if the fear makes the warrior turn his back to the boss |
| 13:22.20 | balstor | in kharar nightbane, tank gets feared mob turnsto the side and breaths over the raid, no longer can #2 on threat help control the mob, now the MT has to make every fear, no slop allowed |
| 13:22.21 | xyu` | we had a druid tank nightbane fine w/ tremor. i dont know why so many people are scared of it. |
| 13:22.57 | cryogen | this change makes tremor a lot more viable |
| 13:23.19 | balstor | cause a strat that has a random element to it that you can't have a secondary control to leads to a lot of deaths. |
| 13:23.29 | cryogen | balstor: its fine, l2tremor :p |
| 13:23.42 | balstor | tremor's problem is before it pulses you can run out of range |
| 13:23.43 | cncfanatics | I do nightbane fine without tremor as pala |
| 13:23.45 | cryogen | balstor: and you can still do that, you need need an offtank instead of a dps warrior |
| 13:23.59 | cryogen | balstor: then you need better shaman |
| 13:24.12 | balstor | no cause the offtank threat will not matter, and as most bosses can't be taunted |
| 13:24.24 | kenlyric | cncfanatics: isn't that just random luck that he doesn't wipe your clothies on each fear? |
| 13:24.25 | cryogen | sure it will |
| 13:24.34 | cryogen | youd just need to keep DAMNED close to the MTs threat :p |
| 13:24.35 | cncfanatics | I can break fear np |
| 13:24.45 | cncfanatics | trinket the first |
| 13:24.46 | cryogen | he cant build threat when hes feared |
| 13:24.48 | cncfanatics | bubble the second |
| 13:24.52 | balstor | tremor works best if the shaman can LOS the fear and drop tremor right as the fear procs, cause tremor will proc as it lands, nef was great for that |
| 13:24.52 | cncfanatics | BoP the third |
| 13:24.56 | cncfanatics | and trinket again on the forth |
| 13:25.07 | kenlyric | doesn't that wipe our threat to 0 and achieve the same result? |
| 13:25.15 | kenlyric | *your |
| 13:25.18 | cryogen | bubble doesnt wipe threat |
| 13:25.27 | cncfanatics | nothing I listed wipes ur threat permanentlmy |
| 13:25.30 | kenlyric | which ability wipes threat? |
| 13:25.31 | cryogen | its kinda like the mob-fear mechanic |
| 13:25.38 | cncfanatics | they're macro'd to be cancelled as soon as they're up ofc |
| 13:25.40 | kenlyric | DS? |
| 13:25.48 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.48 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.00 | kenlyric | oh, so it's not permanent, I see. |
| 13:26.07 | cryogen | nope |
| 13:26.17 | cryogen | a mob wont target someone in an immunity effect |
| 13:26.25 | cryogen | much like it wont(currently) target someone in fear |
| 13:26.35 | balstor | AFK need to go jog |
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| 13:27.26 | cncfanatics | if DS was a permanant aggro dump retri pallies wouldn't get fear redux rly |
| 13:27.31 | cncfanatics | s/fear/threat/ |
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| 13:28.21 | CIA-7 | KeepItCool: inital commit |
| 13:28.21 | CIA-7 | - Shows spell and item cooldowns with 2 bars |
| 13:29.14 | cryogen | the amusing, but sad considering how many buffs they already got this patch, is this fear change benefits hunters greatly |
| 13:29.25 | cryogen | no longer will they become the focus of a mob's attention when it fears their pet |
| 13:29.49 | kenlyric | so sexy |
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| 13:31.00 | cncfanatics | they only got pvp buffs :p |
| 13:31.04 | cncfanatics | a slight solo buff can't hurt ? |
| 13:31.12 | Hjalte | As a fury warrior, is the first thing i should focus on getting 200+ hit? |
| 13:32.28 | kenlyric | I dunno... a mortal strike buff on aimed shot seems more helpful to pve encounters withhealing than pvp encounters. |
| 13:32.42 | kenlyric | cause seriously, aimed shot in pvp is a dead hunter :) |
| 13:33.28 | cncfanatics | depends |
| 13:34.10 | cryogen | it's also a tremendous solo buff |
| 13:34.34 | cryogen | aimed shot coming significantly before silencing shot and viper sting |
| 13:36.55 | kenlyric | yeah, will depend on how long the debuff lasts, but I can see it being useful in some cases, like chain grinding healing mobs and intimidation is down. |
| 13:37.43 | cncfanatics | moooo |
| 13:37.47 | cncfanatics | cryogen, go lvl ? :p |
| 13:37.50 | cryogen | working? |
| 13:38.05 | vithos | sigh, something is causing framerate hiccups every 10 seconds |
| 13:38.19 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, I think I found a workaround to be able to drag'n'drop spell actions in flexbar on any button |
| 13:38.24 | cncfanatics | can u do /cast PetSpellHere ? |
| 13:38.28 | cncfanatics | that works right ? |
| 13:38.31 | vithos | cncfanatics: yes |
| 13:38.39 | cncfanatics | great |
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| 13:38.44 | cncfanatics | then I'll be able to mess with it |
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| 13:43.48 | Hjalte | 2.3 is going to be so good. It will hopefully do an end to "I'll put 100* 1xArcane Dust" on AH so there will be 12 pages for the unlucky buyers to go through"-thinking >.< |
| 13:44.15 | Pkekyo | Hjalte: what change is that? I must've missed something |
| 13:44.34 | kenlyric | sorts the entire search results instead of one page at time. |
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| 13:45.12 | kenlyric | on top of auctioneer's column to show markdown/markup percent, you can instantly see the cheapest ones. |
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| 13:45.19 | Pkekyo | sweet |
| 13:45.23 | vithos | what would you sort by to avoid that? |
| 13:45.40 | vithos | i don't see how that'd help unless blizzard lets you sort by price/each |
| 13:45.45 | vithos | instead of just total price |
| 13:45.55 | kenlyric | blizzard doesn't, but auctioneer does. |
| 13:46.10 | vithos | but auctioneer isn't serverside |
| 13:46.18 | Hjalte | vithos, it will let me see the cheapest instantly. |
| 13:46.21 | Pkekyo | http://orz.4chan.org/wg/src/1193223802253.jpg purty :> |
| 13:46.45 | Hjalte | The people using the strategy i mentioned before is hoping you are too lazy to go through all the pages looking for the cheapest. |
| 13:47.52 | xyu` | blizzards auction house is horrid |
| 13:47.54 | kenlyric | and honestly, a price-per-item field/toggle can't be far off in the AH changes. |
| 13:47.58 | vithos | Hjalte: i understand your claim, but i don't see why you think that. if you sorted by minimum price, you'd get 1x stacks first |
| 13:48.09 | vithos | what if there's 5x stacks that are a better deal? |
| 13:48.20 | Hjalte | vithos, yes, but i would get the cheapest 1x stacks first |
| 13:48.34 | Hjalte | And would only have to go down, or a few pages in, to get to 20x stacks |
| 13:48.37 | vithos | okay. but that's not the cheapest available |
| 13:48.37 | kenlyric | vithos: I don't get why you assume auctioneer will be unable to do this sort. |
| 13:49.00 | Hjalte | vithos, right now, i have to go through ALL pages to find the cheapest. |
| 13:49.16 | Hjalte | Well, and the cheapest might not even be on the last page |
| 13:49.16 | vithos | because if you're doing a search, auctioneer would get one page of results only |
| 13:49.35 | vithos | now sure, auctioneer could query the entire db dump (once every 15 minutes) and do the sort on that |
| 13:49.57 | cncfanatics | or even better, auctioneer can do a specific scan, like it can atm |
| 13:50.02 | cncfanatics | and sort based on that ? |
| 13:50.08 | cncfanatics | scanning 3-4 pages of result ain't that bad |
| 13:50.10 | Hjalte | There was an addon once, that would let you see only 20x stacks for example. |
| 13:50.14 | vithos | but it wouldn't be a regular search page, and you probably wouldn't be able to interact directly (bid/buyout) without it searching multiple pages to find an auction of matching specs |
| 13:51.14 | cncfanatics | ehm |
| 13:51.20 | cncfanatics | auctioneer advanced |
| 13:51.27 | cncfanatics | ain't a *real search page* either |
| 13:51.31 | cncfanatics | and it interacts fine |
| 13:51.34 | cncfanatics | thats jsut API calls |
| 13:51.44 | vithos | it has zero interaction on the appriaser page, if that's what you're refering to |
| 13:51.54 | cncfanatics | no, the search |
| 13:52.02 | cncfanatics | just the regular AH search with auc advanced |
| 13:52.04 | cncfanatics | has been modifier too |
| 13:52.07 | cncfanatics | in case u didn't notiuce |
| 13:52.09 | cncfanatics | and it works fine |
| 13:52.15 | vithos | i noticed. but it's still a real search |
| 13:52.22 | vithos | not a multipage search |
| 13:52.33 | cncfanatics | whats the difference , |
| 13:52.34 | cncfanatics | its modified |
| 13:52.48 | cncfanatics | auctioneer still has to call the API itself most probably |
| 13:53.19 | vithos | the old auctioneer used to be able to query its scan results for specific auctions and right click to bid/buyout, then it would automatically go through a partial scan to find the matching auction if it still existed |
| 13:53.35 | vithos | so yeah, they might add something like that again, but that's not currently in auc-adv afaik |
| 13:54.05 | vithos | there's similar listings in the appraiser pane but you can't even sort them and can't interact |
| 13:54.44 | vithos | so at best, they can do in auctioneer what they already did before |
| 13:54.46 | kenlyric | "Forget about looking forward to playing it, we're just hoping Wright finishes it before it becomes sentient and kills us all." |
| 13:54.47 | cncfanatics | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Auction_Functions none of the funcs are protected |
| 13:54.50 | kenlyric | best spore quote ever. |
| 13:54.52 | vithos | but the new AH features aren't going to help |
| 13:54.58 | cncfanatics | so it shld be np to do whatever u want in AH |
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| 13:57.41 | vithos | cncfanatics: i know it's possible to do what Hjalte was talking about. it's already done in Auctioneer4 afaik, but it requires a scan or at least partial scan. all i'm saying is the serverside sorting isn't going to make it any easier to solve his problem with 12 pages of 1x stacks where the best deal might be a 5x stack, UNLESS blizzard adds price/each as a column |
| 13:58.35 | kenlyric | and auc-advance already does a partical scan when you search, and stores the results. |
| 13:59.02 | Trae | hey guys, in Cartographer, I mapped out tons of quests as a horde char. I know there are some that don't exactly apply to ally, but I'd like to get all those points moved over to the ally char I'm rolling. is this possible? |
| 13:59.31 | vithos | it stores one page of results, but appraiser will do a scan with an item name. but it's still going to take just as long to do as it did before these new changes is my point. same number of page loads |
| 14:00.28 | cryogen | how do you always round up with integer division? |
| 14:04.29 | Xinhuan | ceil(a/b) |
| 14:05.03 | cryogen | *integer* dvision |
| 14:05.05 | cryogen | +i |
| 14:05.06 | Wobin | Trae: You might want to look into writing a guide for TourGuide |
| 14:05.29 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:05.35 | Trae | Wobin, what's that? |
| 14:06.04 | Wobin | www.wowace.com/wiki/TourGuide |
| 14:06.24 | Wobin | not that it helps your request, however |
| 14:06.37 | Wobin | but just an aside |
| 14:07.02 | cncfanatics | giev more guides for horde |
| 14:07.05 | cncfanatics | they're way incomplete |
| 14:07.17 | Wobin | cncfanatics: go write them |
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| 14:08.13 | cncfanatics | I'm lvl'ing atm, don't got time : |
| 14:08.51 | nevcairiel | writing those while leveling is the perfect time! |
| 14:09.14 | Wobin | it's true! |
| 14:09.22 | cryogen | id write one but it would just be a ttoal rip off of joanas |
| 14:09.27 | Wobin | that's fine |
| 14:09.28 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.31 | cncfanatics | its not like thats not legal |
| 14:09.41 | cncfanatics | its perfectly legal to copy joana's quest order :p |
| 14:09.48 | Wobin | as long as you don't copy word for word |
| 14:09.58 | Wobin | but any level of interpretation works fine |
| 14:10.15 | cryogen | IANAL but that's doubtful :) |
| 14:10.20 | Wobin | no |
| 14:10.23 | Wobin | it's perfectly legal |
| 14:10.42 | Wobin | They can't copyright a methodology |
| 14:10.45 | cryogen | if i came up with it on my own and it ended up the same, sure |
| 14:10.47 | Wobin | They can copyright the wording |
| 14:10.52 | cryogen | but the fact is i would be 100% basing it from his :) |
| 14:11.03 | Wobin | but the -method- of doing the quests is uncopyrightable |
| 14:11.11 | Wobin | So? |
| 14:11.21 | snurre | yikes, the torrent sites are really cracking down on invite trading now :p |
| 14:11.40 | Wobin | I could write a guide, without ever seeing any of the guides |
| 14:11.49 | Wobin | and they couldn't sue me for copyright |
| 14:13.10 | Wobin | see Tekk's post about it here: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7674 |
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| 14:13.22 | Crysli | Hi :) |
| 14:13.38 | Kazie | Noes |
| 14:13.42 | Kazie | http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lolgmxo0.gif <3 <---- 1337 post |
| 14:13.50 | Kazie | post = screenshot lol :P |
| 14:14.32 | Crysli | Nice. |
| 14:15.01 | cryogen | Wobin: all this is besides the point, since i dont legally own joana's guide in the first place :) |
| 14:15.07 | Wobin | cryogen: hehe |
| 14:15.22 | cncfanatics | so ? |
| 14:15.28 | cncfanatics | who cares if u legaly own it or not :p |
| 14:15.35 | cryogen | the law? |
| 14:15.36 | cryogen | courts? |
| 14:15.39 | cryogen | laywers? |
| 14:15.42 | Kazie | who's gonna check you? |
| 14:15.51 | snurre | usians.. always this talk about lawsuits and guns |
| 14:15.54 | cryogen | the fbi snooping this channel? |
| 14:16.09 | cryogen | It Could Happen(tm) |
| 14:16.13 | cncfanatics | cryogen, u already own the guy illegaly, so why do u care ? |
| 14:16.14 | Wobin | To You |
| 14:16.23 | cncfanatics | no more chance it happens wether u write a tourgudie or not |
| 14:16.24 | Wobin | He doesn't =) |
| 14:16.25 | cryogen | cncfanatics: ssssh! |
| 14:16.27 | Wobin | which is the point |
| 14:16.36 | cryogen | dont tell the FBI that |
| 14:16.58 | Wobin | It's behind the couch |
| 14:17.47 | balstor | just a sec i'll get my fbi friends to log on |
| 14:17.56 | cryogen | in other news, the .net DataGridView is really really really awful |
| 14:17.57 | snurre | ./care |
| 14:18.00 | cryogen | really. |
| 14:18.13 | Codayus | This is true. |
| 14:18.21 | cryogen | seriously, i could paint the data on the screen myself faster |
| 14:18.22 | Codayus | There is, however, an important life lesson here. |
| 14:18.24 | Xinhuan | cryogen: pretty sure what i said is "integer division with rounding up" as opposed to "normal integer division that rounds down" |
| 14:18.37 | cryogen | Xinhuan: ceil() is a floating point operation |
| 14:18.41 | cryogen | Xinhuan: (im not talking lua specifically) |
| 14:18.49 | Xinhuan | then you want a \ b |
| 14:18.57 | Xinhuan | \ is the integer division operator |
| 14:19.01 | Xinhuan | in most languages |
| 14:19.05 | cryogen | integer division truncates |
| 14:19.09 | cryogen | i want to round up |
| 14:19.15 | Xinhuan | you're not making sense |
| 14:19.18 | Xinhuan | you can't round up an integer |
| 14:19.19 | cryogen | anyway i found the bit of math i wanted |
| 14:19.21 | cryogen | yes you can |
| 14:19.21 | vithos | if the remainder is non-zero, you're off by 1 |
| 14:19.45 | cryogen | (x + divisor - 1) / divisor |
| 14:19.47 | cryogen | will always round up |
| 14:19.55 | Xinhuan | that's not rounding up |
| 14:20.04 | Xinhuan | that's adding 1 to the remainder |
| 14:20.06 | nevcairiel | why not using ceil()? |
| 14:20.18 | cryogen | nevcairiel: ceil is a floating point operation |
| 14:20.23 | nevcairiel | so? |
| 14:20.30 | Xinhuan | floating point operations are just as fast a integer ones |
| 14:20.34 | cryogen | you do realise how inaccurate floating point math is, right? |
| 14:20.44 | nevcairiel | for a integer division? |
| 14:21.00 | cryogen | anyway, im happy with my solution :p |
| 14:21.07 | Xinhuan | (x + divisor - 1) / divisor |
| 14:21.16 | Xinhuan | is also a floating point operation you know |
| 14:21.18 | nevcairiel | if its lua, i think it only has one "number" type anyway |
| 14:21.22 | Xinhuan | all divisions are floating point |
| 14:21.25 | Xinhuan | in a CPU |
| 14:21.52 | cryogen | im "fairly" sure the x86 does native integer divison |
| 14:22.04 | cryogen | whether this compiler makes use of it or not is another question |
| 14:22.05 | cryogen | anyway |
| 14:22.07 | cryogen | enough of that |
| 14:22.09 | Xinhuan | i'm fairly sure it passes the instruction to the ALU |
| 14:22.42 | cryogen | back to complaining how slow DataGridView is |
| 14:23.09 | krka | it all comes down to: is ceil more expensive than floor |
| 14:23.44 | Megalon | and what about the children in africa |
| 14:23.53 | snurre | theyve got big bellies |
| 14:24.20 | Megalon | but no ceiling |
| 14:24.26 | Megalon | so they have to use floor |
| 14:24.29 | Megalon | :( |
| 14:24.58 | cncfanatics | worst joke ever ? |
| 14:25.02 | nevcairiel | better a floor and no ceiling then other way around |
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| 14:25.52 | Codayus | nevcairiel: Coinicdentally I actually had this tab open in my browser already.... |
| 14:25.55 | Codayus | http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mechanics/earthole.html |
| 14:26.06 | Xinhuan | actually, is there a function that "rounds towards 0 |
| 14:26.08 | Xinhuan | " |
| 14:26.13 | Codayus | Just in case you were looking for the math describing the result of that. |
| 14:26.24 | Xinhuan | i.e does floor() if its positive and ceil() if its negative |
| 14:26.57 | CIA-7 | 03aviana * r53094 10Cartographer/Cartographer_InstanceNotes/notes.lua: Cartographer_InstanceNotes: Added all Black Temple bosses & BC Worldbosses |
| 14:27.25 | nevcairiel | lua> ceil(-0.5) |
| 14:27.26 | cladbot | nevcairiel: -0, |
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| 14:27.28 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, write one ? :p |
| 14:27.29 | nevcairiel | works |
| 14:27.30 | nevcairiel | :P |
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| 14:27.56 | nevcairiel | i dont think something like that exists in api |
| 14:28.05 | nevcairiel | in any programming language i know *shrug* |
| 14:28.15 | Xinhuan | i thought java had one hmm |
| 14:28.26 | cryogen | anything you can do with floating point you can do with integers instead, pretty much |
| 14:28.27 | Codayus | I'd be surprised; it'd a bit esoteric. |
| 14:28.42 | Codayus | er, add words to that as appropriate. |
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| 14:29.00 | snurre | C and related programming languages have a feature called type casting which allows to turn a floating point value into an integer by prefixing it with (int). This operation is a mixture of the floor and ceiling function: for positive or 0 x it returns floor(x), and for negative x it returns ceiling(x). |
| 14:29.14 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 14:29.25 | Codayus | snurre: Really? Nuts, I should have known that. |
| 14:29.37 | cncfanatics | ehm |
| 14:29.39 | Codayus | I thought it just truncated it... |
| 14:29.47 | cncfanatics | (int) just strips the stuff after the comma off ? |
| 14:29.47 | Codayus | ...oh.. |
| 14:29.52 | cryogen | dont get me started on how evil casting between floating point and integers is |
| 14:29.53 | Xinhuan | hmmmm |
| 14:29.56 | nevcairiel | obviously it doesnt |
| 14:30.00 | Codayus | Okay, I really need sleep. >< |
| 14:30.03 | snurre | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floor_function#The_operator_.28int.29_in_C |
| 14:30.04 | Xinhuan | that's a neat trick i never thought of |
| 14:30.22 | nevcairiel | i try to avoid floats in C |
| 14:31.02 | Xinhuan | floating point operations in CPUs today are almost as fast as integer ones |
| 14:31.02 | cryogen | nevcairiel: often a wise choice |
| 14:31.02 | Xinhuan | they only take a lot more memory though |
| 14:31.03 | nevcairiel | i know that they are as fast |
| 14:31.04 | kenlyric | nevcairiel: can we just call you Tennessee? |
| 14:31.11 | cryogen | Xinhuan: that's not always the point |
| 14:31.22 | cryogen | especially in legacy C stuff |
| 14:31.27 | nevcairiel | they are, as cryogen pointed out, sometimes inaccurate |
| 14:31.47 | cncfanatics | meh, floats in java are crap |
| 14:31.49 | Xinhuan | inaccuracy though, is something you can't avoid sometimes |
| 14:31.49 | cryogen | and you, god forbid, might be working on a system with no FPU :) |
| 14:31.50 | nevcairiel | i would rather use a div over a / and stay with my integers |
| 14:32.05 | Xinhuan | how does Lua store floating point numbers? |
| 14:32.09 | cncfanatics | good question |
| 14:32.14 | cncfanatics | they always seem to be accurate in lua |
| 14:32.23 | Xinhuan | if i did 10/3, would ie be equal to 3+1/3 ? |
| 14:32.26 | cryogen | aren't they double by default? |
| 14:32.32 | nevcairiel | they're not cncfanatics |
| 14:32.32 | Xinhuan | it* |
| 14:32.42 | nevcairiel | look at your UIScale variable in your config.wtf |
| 14:32.45 | cncfanatics | well, I had more problems in java then lua for that |
| 14:32.48 | nevcairiel | you cant set it to a accurate value :P |
| 14:32.51 | Codayus | Okay, Visual Basic is stupider than i thought. |
| 14:33.01 | Codayus | "Note that Int truncates to the next smaller number. If the number is negative, the result is more negative. For example, Int(-17.1) = -18." |
| 14:33.09 | Xinhuan | well only because "0.9" can't be represented exactly in binary |
| 14:33.10 | Codayus | That has to be wrong, doesn't it? |
| 14:33.13 | Xinhuan | only up to a certain point |
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| 14:33.23 | nevcairiel | thats the point |
| 14:33.48 | nevcairiel | 9 is accurate |
| 14:33.49 | nevcairiel | :) |
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| 14:34.25 | Xinhuan | so how does lua store numbers? |
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| 14:34.51 | Xinhuan | integer operations in lua seems accurate and exact enough and never seem to error |
| 14:34.51 | cryogen | 15:32 < Codayus> Okay, Visual Basic is stupider than i thought. |
| 14:35.00 | cryogen | Codayus: never underestimate how bad VB can be |
| 14:35.16 | Xinhuan | even though lua supposedly only has 1 type of numbers |
| 14:35.47 | cncfanatics | everything is a dbl ? :p |
| 14:35.48 | nevcairiel | everything is a 64bit float in lua |
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| 14:36.17 | nevcairiel | Largest power of ten: a 64-bit double can represent all integers exactly, up to: 1,000,000,000,000,000 (actually -2^53...+2^53). |
| 14:36.21 | Xinhuan | i'm not sure if it treats everything as a 64-bit float though |
| 14:36.39 | Xinhuan | if you did print(1) it prints "1", it doesn't print "1.0000000000000000000000000" |
| 14:36.48 | nevcairiel | http://lua-users.org/wiki/FloatingPoint |
| 14:37.03 | nevcairiel | a double can represent a int exactly |
| 14:37.57 | nevcairiel | IEEE 754 |
| 14:38.06 | Xinhuan | hmm, ok that makes sense |
| 14:39.07 | cncfanatics | float is more or less acurate then dbl ? can't remember -.- and I barely program in C lol |
| 14:39.16 | nevcairiel | double is 64bit |
| 14:39.21 | nevcairiel | generic float is 32bit |
| 14:39.24 | nevcairiel | iirc |
| 14:40.02 | cryogen | nevcairiel: right, i think |
| 14:40.03 | cncfanatics | hmmm, so why are some of my double operations innacurate in java but not in lua ? |
| 14:40.07 | cryogen | you can get 128 bit too if you want |
| 14:40.09 | sb | weee |
| 14:40.13 | cryogen | i think it's double double, or something |
| 14:40.19 | sb | rouge mana tomb farming :/ |
| 14:40.19 | cryogen | long double maybe |
| 14:40.23 | sb | +s |
| 14:42.04 | nevcairiel | long double |
| 14:42.29 | cncfanatics | hmmm, shld try that in java :p |
| 14:42.36 | cncfanatics | long double is the default in lua then ? |
| 14:42.51 | nevcairiel | no |
| 14:42.59 | nevcairiel | double is def |
| 14:43.45 | cncfanatics | then why are my double operations more accurate in lua then java ? |
| 14:44.34 | nevcairiel | maybe your logic sucks |
| 14:45.35 | cncfanatics | it did back then, was a stupid java exercise at school before I saw loops |
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| 14:47.18 | Eggi | maybe... if you really need it... try BigDecimal |
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| 14:51.18 | CIA-7 | 03eggi * r53095 10KeepItCool/core.lua: |
| 14:51.18 | CIA-7 | KeepItCool: |
| 14:51.18 | CIA-7 | - Changed the menu |
| 14:51.24 | cncfanatics | I got around it with some rounding back then, Eggi |
| 14:52.58 | Trell_ | is it me or is the readme.txt for KeepItCool screwed up? |
| 14:53.05 | Trell_ | the .toc is fine |
| 14:53.17 | Eggi | readme.txt? |
| 14:53.39 | Eggi | there shouldn't be a readmy |
| 14:53.39 | Trell_ | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/KeepItCool/phyber/KeepItCool/readme.txt |
| 14:53.51 | Eggi | *readme |
| 14:54.06 | nevcairiel | thats a branch |
| 14:54.10 | nevcairiel | who cares about those =P |
| 14:54.24 | Trell_ | right |
| 14:54.29 | Trell_ | ignore me |
| 14:54.35 | Trell_ | clicked wrong link >_< |
| 14:55.49 | Eggi | same name :x |
| 14:56.25 | phyber | wow, KeepItCool. there some old, old, incredibly old school mod :) |
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| 15:00.02 | Chompers | ~seen Ckknight |
| 15:00.04 | purl | ckknight <n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 17h 44m 47s ago, saying: 'bbiab'. |
| 15:03.41 | CIA-7 | 03aviana * r53096 10PeriodicTable-3.0/PeriodicTable-3.0-InstanceLoot/PeriodicTable-3.0-InstanceLoot.lua: |
| 15:03.41 | CIA-7 | PeriodicTable-3.0: |
| 15:03.41 | CIA-7 | - InstanceLoot: Merged Reliquary of Souls and Illidari Council Loottable |
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| 15:05.58 | Eggi | do i have to do something else than seting the externals if i want the libs in the zip file? |
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| 15:17.11 | CIA-7 | 037destiny * r53097 10eePanels2/ (eePanels2.toc localization/localization.koKR.lua): eePanels2: |
| 15:17.57 | Eggi | if i use tortoise it downloads everything fine with externals but the files.wowace.com zip does not include the libs :( |
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| 15:18.12 | cncfanatics | it does |
| 15:18.23 | cncfanatics | except if ur downloading the no-ext version |
| 15:18.58 | Eggi | http://files.wowace.com/KeepItCool/KeepItCool.zip < has no libs :/ |
| 15:19.33 | cncfanatics | then it means they were not declared properly |
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| 15:21.32 | Eggi | maybe... but tortoise seems to download everything if i update it |
| 15:23.22 | Tornhoof | svn/tortoise is not intended to be used by end users tbh |
| 15:23.28 | Silviu- | Eggi did u set externals to dev or svn.wowace.com ? |
| 15:23.47 | Eggi | svn |
| 15:24.01 | cncfanatics | thats fine |
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| 15:24.37 | Funkeh` | hey |
| 15:24.54 | cncfanatics | yo |
| 15:25.39 | evl | what does rabbit call himself on irc? |
| 15:25.52 | [Ammo] | vhaarr |
| 15:25.53 | evl | ~seen rabbit |
| 15:25.55 | purl | rabbit <n=chatzill@122.167.74.195> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 49d 22h 55m 6s ago, saying: 'yes, got it, thanks'. |
| 15:26.12 | vhaarr | evl: sup |
| 15:26.34 | evl | vhaarr: can I steal all your options/staticpopup code? :P |
| 15:26.45 | vhaarr | evl: yes, just credit |
| 15:26.55 | evl | thanks, from CG, similar to what I'm doing :) |
| 15:27.12 | Silviu- | Eggi u did not set externals |
| 15:27.36 | vhaarr | evl: so you're making a competing addon, eh? :P |
| 15:28.08 | Eggi | used \ instead of / :x |
| 15:28.08 | evl | vhaarr: no :/ Making FuBar_DKPFu which shows DKP in game, I'm working on groups which is similar to CG's sets (one set for melee etc) |
| 15:28.14 | vhaarr | evl: ah |
| 15:28.34 | evl | vhaarr: I'll let you know when it's finished :) |
| 15:28.48 | vhaarr | cool |
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| 15:29.29 | evl | vhaarr: sucks you can do type = group with toggles :( |
| 15:30.04 | vhaarr | evl: hm? |
| 15:30.09 | vhaarr | multiToggle? |
| 15:30.20 | Zariel | http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/24/elcomsoft-turns-your-pc-into-a-password-cracking-supercomputer/ |
| 15:30.21 | Zariel | lol |
| 15:31.03 | evl | vhaarr: in fubar, you can't use type=group and have the group be a toggle, would be perfect for enabling/disabling setc. |
| 15:31.09 | evl | setc/sets/s |
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| 16:08.01 | evl | How do I get the parent node when navigating an aceoptions table with dewdrop? |
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| 16:26.09 | evl | I've got a list of user configurable AceOptions groups, all the groups contain a list of classes that can be toggled on and off, should I prepopulate these as each group is added or do it on the fly? |
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| 16:37.25 | CIA-7 | 03cncfanatics * r53100 10FlexBar2_Zoomed/ (. FlexBar2_Zoomed.toc Zoomed.lua module.xml): FlexBar2_Zoomed: Initial commit, this skin zooms the button textures so no more border is visible (Note: do not use more then one skin module at once or you will see weird things). |
| 16:37.41 | Lothaer | does any1 know how i can find out the new experience requirements in 2.3 without leveling to those levels? |
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| 16:38.40 | aestil | what is the mad alchemist potion do? |
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| 16:39.04 | Ellipsis | turns you into a mad alchemist |
| 16:39.05 | Lothaer | give mana and health and a random effect |
| 16:39.18 | Ellipsis | eh, I was cloose |
| 16:39.21 | Lothaer | lol |
| 16:39.43 | aestil | thats the special thing only alchemists get? stupid. |
| 16:39.51 | Lothaer | yup |
| 16:40.02 | Lothaer | must be 325 alchemist to use or sumthing like that |
| 16:40.17 | aestil | where's my ring enchant or special gem? |
| 16:40.24 | Ellipsis | lulz =] |
| 16:40.28 | Lothaer | lol |
| 16:40.30 | Ellipsis | WTB attumen gloves, PST |
| 16:40.32 | nevcairiel | alchemist stone is pretty good too |
| 16:40.32 | Ellipsis | >_> |
| 16:40.34 | nevcairiel | imho |
| 16:40.43 | Lothaer | elli, the cloth healing ones? |
| 16:40.59 | Killmore | anyone know what is the "random effect" ? |
| 16:41.02 | Ellipsis | the cloth dps ones |
| 16:41.07 | Ellipsis | handwraps of flowing thought |
| 16:41.10 | Lothaer | ill try to find out eill |
| 16:41.14 | Lothaer | ahh |
| 16:41.30 | nevcairiel | Killmore: noone does, the potion is not on ptr yet |
| 16:41.30 | Killmore | a stupid costume ? :P |
| 16:41.57 | nevcairiel | i hope its nothing negatory |
| 16:42.11 | nevcairiel | like you cant risk using the potion in any serious fight |
| 16:42.24 | aestil | i wanted the attumen gloves very badly, never dropped. |
| 16:42.31 | Killmore | nevcairiel yeah :( |
| 16:42.37 | aestil | i used blue gloves, i believe the warlock gloves. |
| 16:42.47 | Ellipsis | I'm using tempest's touch right now and it makes me sad |
| 16:42.56 | Ellipsis | because I can't bring myself to enchant these |
| 16:42.58 | Killmore | nevcairiel: -150 healings & -25mp5 for 1h.. gg :P |
| 16:43.00 | aestil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.10 | aestil | i used those, until I got T5 SP gloves. |
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| 16:43.16 | RaydenUnicyclist | guild banks are on PTR? cool |
| 16:44.00 | RaydenUnicyclist | also, news on 2.3 release date? |
| 16:44.04 | RaydenUnicyclist | news = rumors |
| 16:44.10 | cryogen | christmas |
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| 16:44.10 | nevcairiel | no |
| 16:44.15 | nevcairiel | earlier imho |
| 16:44.17 | [Ammo] | when pigs fly |
| 16:44.17 | nevcairiel | but no real rumors |
| 16:44.19 | RaydenUnicyclist | by thanksgiving? |
| 16:44.23 | cryogen | winterveil is on the ptr, apparently |
| 16:44.40 | aestil | is there a 'proc' rate on potion master? |
| 16:44.43 | nevcairiel | i thought halloween was still active on ptr |
| 16:44.50 | Godzmack | it is |
| 16:44.53 | cryogen | no idea havent been on myself |
| 16:44.55 | cryogen | just what i heard |
| 16:45.03 | djnw | aestil: as in getting extras? |
| 16:45.09 | aestil | djnw: yes. |
| 16:45.14 | djnw | it's random. |
| 16:45.23 | nevcairiel | every proc is random |
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| 16:45.27 | nevcairiel | but with a certain rate |
| 16:45.32 | aestil | random chance.e |
| 16:45.37 | aestil | there has to be a % chance. |
| 16:45.38 | nevcairiel | i've found it to be something like 10-15% |
| 16:45.53 | RaydenUnicyclist | 2.3 looks like it adds a lot of really cool stuff |
| 16:46.07 | [Ammo] | Crazy666 |
| 16:46.07 | nevcairiel | like you create 40 potions, you have like 45, maybe some more |
| 16:46.08 | djnw | ah, sorry, thought you mean number of pots, not actually getting them. |
| 16:46.11 | [Ammo] | hmm |
| 16:46.12 | aestil | i've made over 80 and proc'd only 7 extra. |
| 16:46.24 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: Ist actually rises, it seems |
| 16:46.27 | aestil | i think i made 95. |
| 16:46.34 | [Ammo] | sometimes I need to check the window I'm in and where I tab to :), wrong irc channel once more |
| 16:46.37 | aestil | its a terrible proc rate. |
| 16:46.47 | nevcairiel | yeah somtimes no luck |
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| 16:46.56 | Lothaer | so does any1 know how i can find out the new expierence requirements in 2.3 with out having to level to those levels myself?, is there a updated EXP mod for 2.3? |
| 16:46.57 | nevcairiel | but overall its something like 10% in my bok |
| 16:47.07 | nevcairiel | *book |
| 16:47.08 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: I gave an master multiple times enough mats for a stack, and with every stack she had more proccs |
| 16:47.24 | RaydenUnicyclist | Lothaer what do you mean level to those levels yourself? |
| 16:47.26 | nevcairiel | thats just coincedence |
| 16:47.39 | RaydenUnicyclist | you just mean is there a list of required xp to go from 1-x with the new system? |
| 16:48.04 | djnw | Lothaer: I think people over on the EJ forums are trying to math it up.. |
| 16:48.20 | Lothaer | with out having to create a lvl 1 character on the PTR and level him to 60 just to find out what experience requirements for those levels |
| 16:48.47 | nevcairiel | does it matter ? :D |
| 16:48.58 | nevcairiel | someone has to do it, to get the values |
| 16:49.02 | nevcairiel | or probably datamine |
| 16:49.04 | nevcairiel | if possible |
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| 16:49.25 | Lothaer | im trying to data mine atm |
| 16:49.42 | Lothaer | but i cant find the file so im assumings its server side only info |
| 16:49.56 | RaydenUnicyclist | Sunwell patch? what is that? |
| 16:50.03 | Lothaer | patch 2.4 |
| 16:50.03 | RaydenUnicyclist | is sunwell a new isntance? |
| 16:50.09 | Lothaer | new 5man and 25man instance |
| 16:50.09 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 16:50.14 | RaydenUnicyclist | where? |
| 16:50.22 | Lothaer | Sun Well Isle |
| 16:50.31 | Trell_ | 5m plus 5m heroic |
| 16:50.34 | Kuja^ | Lothaer: i think AllPlayed got an update regarding 2.3 iirc |
| 16:50.34 | Lothaer | a Blood Elf instance |
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| 16:50.43 | RaydenUnicyclist | so in Azeroth? |
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| 16:50.50 | Lothaer | the 25man is harder than BT |
| 16:50.53 | Lothaer | yeah |
| 16:50.54 | djnw | http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:XP_To_Level has XP formulas, and IIRC, it'll be 85% of current amounts, so break yer calculator out |
| 16:51.12 | Lothaer | thanks dj |
| 16:51.17 | Trell_ | there was a post on the official forums, lemme see if i can find it |
| 16:51.21 | Lothaer | and kurja |
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| 16:51.57 | djnw | ooooh, that page has a nice table on it, actually... |
| 16:52.01 | lordgreg | evening all |
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| 16:52.14 | djnw | aaaand further down has a 2.3 table |
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| 16:53.16 | djnw | oh, by the by, has anyone had trouble with stuff like atlasloot and itemdb causing them to get kicked out when they load? |
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| 16:54.17 | Ozguli | djnw that's normal if either you or the server haven't seen the stuff lately/ever before |
| 16:54.25 | Lothaer | ttyvm DJ i think i can find out hte missing values myself. |
| 16:54.38 | lordgreg | i've been here yesterday, asking about on which PvE realm to move my chars from PvP Magtheridon (EU). so.. there are two NEW (opened when BC came out) realms with lots of players on it. now i dunno which one to choose: Ghostlands or Hellfire. both have good a vs. h ratio, 15k+ users, PvE progress is almost the same... could you help me out? :$ |
| 16:54.55 | djnw | oh, aye, I've been booted out before linking the odd non-seen thing, but I've never had it stop me from logging in. |
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| 16:55.10 | Ellipsis | actually that's not normal |
| 16:55.25 | Ellipsis | since patch 2.2 you can't get disconnected for caching unseen items |
| 16:55.41 | CIA-7 | 03rabbit * r53101 10Violation/Violation.lua: Violation: Work around what I'd call a toolkit bug, where modules can be toggled in an enabled state before their core. |
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| 16:55.51 | djnw | hmmm... might finally be time to nuke my WTF.... |
| 16:56.01 | Auraka6669 | hello |
| 16:56.08 | Ozguli | caching, never had probs with that but querying tome of polymorph:turtle always got me disconnected |
| 16:56.23 | Ellipsis | querying = caching |
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| 16:56.38 | Ozguli | ee |
| 16:56.51 | Ozguli | I never did that after 2.2 |
| 16:57.04 | Ozguli | after that I've had other people link me stuff |
| 16:57.52 | Auraka6669 | is there any mod in existance that just hides the bliz default buff frame |
| 16:57.54 | Ozguli | hmm, should probably make more sense but it's not my way |
| 16:58.12 | Auraka6669 | currently with ct_buffmod I have both up, and it's rather anoying |
| 16:58.15 | Auraka6669 | >.> |
| 16:59.29 | cryogen | ct_Buffmod should provide an option to hide it, shouldnt it? |
| 16:59.47 | RaydenUni | lol |
| 17:00.01 | RaydenUni | have you guys seen the blog post saying there are more wow players in the USA than there are farmers? |
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| 17:03.19 | djnw | "NI HAO ^__^" farmers, or "eee that do be a nice field o' corn" farmers? |
| 17:03.44 | Ellipsis | .... o.O |
| 17:03.48 | Auraka6669 | it used to do it automatically |
| 17:04.12 | Auraka6669 | I'll go bugger around with it somemore, thanks though |
| 17:04.49 | CIA-7 | 03chuanhsing * r53102 10BigWigs/BlackTemple/Najentus.lua: BigWigs: update zhTW (thanks Neriak) |
| 17:05.20 | Ellipsis | so I ran this pug the other day with a druid healer |
| 17:05.29 | Ellipsis | and apparently this person had their innervate key right next to their regrowth key |
| 17:05.36 | djnw | oh, and I've sorted the logout thing, I had something naughty in my item cache, that'll teach me to log into the PTR... |
| 17:05.43 | Ellipsis | as a lock, I'd never been innervated in all my time playing....but I got it twice during that run |
| 17:06.48 | [Ammo] | inervate on a lock |
| 17:06.50 | [Ammo] | bloody useless |
| 17:06.52 | CIA-7 | 03cncfanatics * r53103 10FlexBar2/Slashcommands.lua: FlexBar2: Modules can now be disabled for certain buttons only by supplying the button parameter to the setmodule command |
| 17:06.57 | Ellipsis | it was funny |
| 17:07.04 | [Ammo] | give HoTs |
| 17:07.10 | [Ammo] | and use the innervate to give more HoTs |
| 17:07.11 | Ellipsis | fortunately neither time I was actually in danger of dying |
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| 17:07.21 | Ellipsis | I would have been pretty annoyed if I died because I got innervate instead of regrowth |
| 17:07.56 | [Ammo] | euhm lifetap + hot = win |
| 17:08.02 | Ellipsis | yeah |
| 17:08.12 | Ellipsis | he didn't mean to hit innervate |
| 17:08.21 | [Ammo] | give a warlock an innervate in my guild and I'll seriously doubt you'll be raiding with us a lot |
| 17:08.26 | Ellipsis | I love partying with trees though |
| 17:08.46 | Ellipsis | they spend like 200 mana on a HoT and I get 1500 mana out of it |
| 17:10.00 | RaydenUni | http://youtube.com/watch?v=stHF-8GPz0c |
| 17:11.26 | Paradox | anyone know why my recount is totally broken ? |
| 17:11.33 | Paradox | just isn't loading the addon altogether |
| 17:13.12 | Paradox | oh hey Ellipsis, what's the status on that bug you posted for me? |
| 17:13.20 | Ellipsis | uhm lemme check |
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| 17:13.59 | Ellipsis | here's the link http://jira.wowace.com/browse/CART-187 |
| 17:14.33 | Ellipsis | it's probably not going to be dealt with right away |
| 17:14.42 | Ellipsis | ck's been busy, and his computer just went boom |
| 17:14.58 | Paradox | ah |
| 17:15.12 | Paradox | do you know where I can post a suggestion/request for Omen? |
| 17:15.18 | Paradox | if there is such a place |
| 17:15.21 | RaydenUni | when does hallow's end... end? |
| 17:15.27 | RaydenUni | ie how long do i have to kill HH? |
| 17:17.06 | Ellipsis | Paradox: the Omen thread would be a good spot :P |
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| 17:20.21 | aestil | lol. |
| 17:21.05 | Ellipsis | o.O |
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| 17:23.59 | Kody- | http://blogs.curse.com/53/details/414/ I need a case mod like that :O |
| 17:25.24 | CIA-7 | 037destiny * r53104 10Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0/NPCModules/CoilfangReservoir/SerpentshrineCavern/Leotheras.lua: |
| 17:25.24 | CIA-7 | Threat-1.0: |
| 17:25.24 | CIA-7 | - Updated localization koKR |
| 17:26.44 | CIA-7 | 03cncfanatics * r53105 10FlexBar2_Zoomed/ (Zoomed.lua gpl.txt module.xml): FlexBar2_Zoomed: Add licensing information |
| 17:27.00 | Matrix110 | seriously wtf did blizzard fuckup with the chatsystem |
| 17:27.07 | Matrix110 | cant post more than 1 line in gchat/private chatrooms |
| 17:27.13 | Matrix110 | with macros/addons |
| 17:27.15 | Ellipsis | it's to prevent spam |
| 17:27.19 | Matrix110 | in gchat? |
| 17:27.20 | Ellipsis | *rolleyes* |
| 17:27.20 | Matrix110 | wtfß |
| 17:27.39 | genetik- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2512087883&pageNo=1&sid=1#12 |
| 17:27.40 | CIA-7 | 03cncfanatics * r53106 10FlexBar2_ComboPoints/ (ComboPoints.lua gpl.txt module.xml): FlexBar2_ComboPoints: Add licensing information |
| 17:27.53 | genetik- | <slouken> This was an anti-spam measure, and will shortly be allowed in guild chat and private channels with 25 people or less. |
| 17:28.30 | CIA-7 | 03kuja * r53107 10Babble-2.2/ (28 files in 16 dirs): |
| 17:28.30 | CIA-7 | Babble-2.2: |
| 17:28.30 | CIA-7 | - update some svn keywords to be consistent and have updating revisions in the files again |
| 17:28.32 | Matrix110 | just retarted |
| 17:28.39 | Matrix110 | and they still spam... |
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| 17:32.47 | zeeg | http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/audio/pron/e00/e0031171.mp3 |
| 17:33.01 | Ellipsis | audio pron? |
| 17:33.22 | sb | hm whats with ckk btw? :/ |
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| 17:33.42 | Ellipsis | what about him sb? |
| 17:34.10 | CIA-7 | 03helium * r53108 10LibTourist-3.0/LibTourist-3.0.lua: LibTourist-3.0: added zhTW localization |
| 17:34.24 | CIA-7 | 03helium * r53109 10TouristLib/Tourist-2.0/Tourist-2.0.lua: TouristLib: added zhTW localization |
| 17:34.51 | CIA-7 | 03alar * r53110 10!AlarLib/AlarLib-2.0/AlarLib-2.0.lua: !AlarLib Fixed: GetToggle() was incombatible with LibRockConfig. |
| 17:35.05 | sb | Ellipsis: mh - didnt see much from in past 2 weeks :o |
| 17:35.08 | Gngsk | NEWBIE! |
| 17:35.37 | cncfanatics | that alar guy still makes addons ? |
| 17:35.44 | cncfanatics | does he still have the worst coding practices ever ? |
| 17:36.13 | Gngsk | are you still making flexbar2? |
| 17:37.03 | Ellipsis | sb: he's been busy with stuff |
| 17:37.03 | durcyn | it's some of the ugliest lua this side of china, cnc |
| 17:37.09 | NightHawkTheSane | sb: might have something to do with his laptop being borked, if his work was on it. |
| 17:37.22 | sb | uh :/ |
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| 17:37.40 | Ellipsis | his code is all backed up, but he hasn't set up his temp computer to be able to work on it |
| 17:37.56 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, figured it was something like that |
| 17:39.24 | CIA-7 | 037destiny * r53111 10BigWigs/ (5 files in 2 dirs): BigWigs: Updated localization koKR |
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| 17:39.52 | sb | oh okay - bad computers :/ |
| 17:40.10 | sb | *sigh* thinking about switching back to vista... meh :o |
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| 17:43.20 | CIA-7 | 03rabbit * r53112 10Violation/Violation.lua: Violation: Forgot a 'end'. |
| 17:43.28 | Ellipsis | whoa, wtf, SwapMagic gives errors? o.O |
| 17:44.29 | CIA-7 | 03funkydude * r53113 10BigWigs/ (5 files in 2 dirs): BigWigs: Back to UTF-8, 7destiny use a proper editor like Notepad++ |
| 17:44.55 | Kuja^ | ~seen Elkano |
| 17:44.59 | purl | elkano <i=86603dd4@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 6h 5m 19s ago, saying: 'evl, the raid colortable keys maybe?'. |
| 17:47.41 | CIA-7 | 03toadkiller * r53114 10AutoBar/AutoBarCategory.lua: |
| 17:47.41 | CIA-7 | AutoBar: |
| 17:47.41 | CIA-7 | -- Sense Undead added to tracking for Paladins |
| 17:47.41 | CIA-7 | -- Commented out Disenchant added for home hacking |
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| 17:48.23 | durcyn | gonna have to start voting these localizers off the island |
| 17:48.36 | durcyn | sayclub, you are the weakest link, goodbye |
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| 17:49.17 | Ellipsis | what did he do today, durcyn? |
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| 17:50.26 | durcyn | oh, i was just using him as an example |
| 17:50.48 | xyu | Does anyone know if heroic trash respawns, i know the patrols and assassins, etc do, but does it ever fully respawn? what i'm saying is, could i clear the whole instance except the last boss and the come back 5-6 hours later and just do last boss? ^_^ |
| 17:50.51 | Ellipsis | oh ok |
| 17:51.11 | poxk | xyu: respawns |
| 17:51.18 | xyu | full? oki thanks |
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| 17:51.26 | Kuja^ | good that i always test my changes before committing :P |
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| 17:51.45 | poxk | well i once cleared a full instance at around 1pm to find a dead boss, since party leader was saved |
| 17:51.50 | Ellipsis | how the HECK could "this" be nil? |
| 17:51.56 | poxk | thats about 8 hours from reset time |
| 17:51.59 | xyu | rofl poxk |
| 17:52.01 | xyu | that'd suck |
| 17:52.14 | poxk | i can't beleive he forgot he went there tbh |
| 17:52.18 | poxk | like raiding in your sleep |
| 17:52.31 | xyu | actuallly i'm surprised it doesn't happen more |
| 17:52.33 | xyu | or to me yet |
| 17:52.40 | xyu | because yes, i do enter a zombie like stage |
| 17:52.42 | xyu | when doing heroics |
| 17:53.27 | xyu | s/stage/state |
| 17:55.07 | xyu | some bwl encounters were so boring i just macroed them, how sad :D i'd create a frostbolt spam macro and just /afk and still be top 5 on dmg meters |
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| 18:02.45 | Zariel | reroll a real class |
| 18:02.54 | Zariel | was much more interesting when you could get agro and whipe the raid ^^ |
| 18:03.24 | Zariel | OH SHI- entire raid forgot ony cloak, whoop whoop |
| 18:03.37 | xyu | you could survive if you had skills like me |
| 18:03.43 | xyu | (or ran to the back of that cave) |
| 18:04.41 | Zariel | i ment on razorgore etc |
| 18:04.55 | Zariel | razor/ebonroc mofo who never dropped my trinket! ARF |
| 18:05.01 | Zariel | still pissed at that draggon |
| 18:05.21 | xyu | I never wore ony cloak other than on nef. :D |
| 18:05.25 | xyu | no one in raid did |
| 18:05.51 | xyu | yeah ebonroc is one of the ones that i could afk on |
| 18:05.54 | xyu | all the stupid dragons |
| 18:06.00 | xyu | oh wait |
| 18:06.08 | Zariel | we had too most of the time, unless our melee dps was pro |
| 18:06.10 | xyu | coudln't on vael obviously :) |
| 18:06.32 | Zariel | servo arm fury warrior + recklessness = pain |
| 18:11.50 | aestil | Ellipsis: hows your UI coming with the flashy graphiccs and stuff? |
| 18:11.57 | Ozguli | Eee |
| 18:12.13 | Ozguli | ag_unitframes doesn't show the raid members o.O |
| 18:15.03 | Toadkiller | durcyn: hey don't vote off sayblub, I need him for Korean locale |
| 18:15.36 | grzesieq | is it normal to have the AceComm channel on /1? :P |
| 18:16.15 | durcyn | shouldn't be an acecomm channel. update your junk. |
| 18:16.31 | grzesieq | just did |
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| 18:22.49 | xerawx | sweet, my Quake Shareware CD |
| 18:22.55 | xerawx | haven't seen this thing in a while |
| 18:25.54 | xerawx | wonder if that crack to unlock all the games is still around |
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| 18:46.57 | NightHawkTheSane | *smirk* |
| 18:46.59 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 18:47.04 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.just-fucking-wiki-it.com/ |
| 18:47.26 | Josh_Borke | wiki my balls asshat |
| 18:47.47 | NightHawkTheSane | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Borke%27s_Balls |
| 18:47.55 | NightHawkTheSane | according to wikipedia, they don't exist. |
| 18:48.02 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 18:48.03 | NightHawkTheSane | zing! |
| 18:48.10 | Josh_Borke | tousche |
| 18:49.12 | Mudkipz | o_o |
| 18:49.21 | Josh_Borke | or is it touche? |
| 18:49.25 | Josh_Borke | i dunno, it's french |
| 18:49.29 | Mudkipz | who cares |
| 18:49.35 | Stanzilla | just "pwnd" |
| 18:49.43 | Mudkipz | want to speak french, move to canada |
| 18:50.24 | NightHawkTheSane | touché |
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| 18:52.12 | kenlyric | what does closetgnome_switcher do that closetgnome doesn't? |
| 18:52.50 | NightHawkTheSane | switches equipment sets based on events. |
| 18:53.02 | NightHawkTheSane | ie, stances/forms, drinking/eating, logging off, evocating, etc. |
| 18:53.12 | Kemayo | Spellsurge? |
| 18:53.21 | NightHawkTheSane | uh, i dunno. |
| 18:53.45 | NightHawkTheSane | I only really use it on my druid who's only level 40, so I'm not sure how customizable/expandable it is |
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| 19:00.58 | sb | Kemayo: i think its not possible to determine if a spellsurce procs off your waepon or party weapon!? |
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| 19:15.14 | CIA-7 | 03cncfanatics * r53115 10FlexBar2_DreamLayout/: FlexBar2_DreamLayout: Preparation for rewrite |
| 19:16.46 | CIA-7 | 03cncfanatics * r53116 10FlexBar2_DreamLayout/ (. DreamLayout.lua FlexBar2_DreamLayout.toc module.xml): FlexBar2_DreamLayout: Rewrite by Nocts |
| 19:17.08 | Nocts | \o/ |
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| 19:36.56 | evl | How do I delete a table index |
| 19:36.59 | evl | like remove it completely |
| 19:39.35 | Josh_Borke | evl: tbl[key] = nil |
| 19:45.41 | cncfanatics | ~seen Nargiddley |
| 19:45.45 | purl | nargiddley <n=narg@203-97-236-74.cable.telstraclear.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 12h 14m 24s ago, saying: 'doing 1-50 all at once does dc me tho'. |
| 19:45.54 | cncfanatics | evl, if the table is indexed with numbers u'll use table.remove |
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| 19:46.05 | cncfanatics | if its indexed by named keys, use tbl[key] = nil |
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| 19:48.58 | Lothaer | -seen djrw |
| 19:49.19 | Lothaer | ~seen djnw |
| 19:49.20 | purl | djnw <n=djnw@host86-146-207-47.range86-146.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 2h 43m 44s ago, saying: 'oh, and I've sorted the logout thing, I had something naughty in my item cache, that'll teach me to log into the PTR...'. |
| 19:50.05 | Lothaer | well that was fun |
| 19:50.45 | evl | Can I rename a table index in an easy way? |
| 19:50.58 | cncfanatics | evl, deleting it, recreating it |
| 19:51.06 | cncfanatics | this would do |
| 19:51.08 | evl | Or do I have to do local table = tbl[a]; tbl[a] = nil; tbl[b] = table? |
| 19:51.22 | cncfanatics | table[newindex] = tbl[oldindex]; table[oldindex] = nil; |
| 19:51.26 | cncfanatics | no need to do 3 steps :p |
| 19:51.34 | evl | ahah :) |
| 19:51.35 | evl | thanks |
| 19:52.05 | Lothaer | i just added the new experience requirements to TitanXPBar |
| 19:52.17 | Lothaer | took me awhile |
| 19:52.27 | Josh_Borke | grats |
| 19:52.33 | Lothaer | i had to track down the missing requirements for lvl 45 50 and 57 on the PTR lol |
| 19:52.47 | Lothaer | wowwiki had all others |
| 19:53.40 | Lothaer | sooo, hows gonna go see Saw 4? |
| 19:53.45 | Lothaer | whos* |
| 19:54.32 | Killmore | you ? :P |
| 19:54.39 | Lothaer | ofcoarse |
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| 19:56.21 | Killmore | tonight? |
| 19:56.40 | Lothaer | not out yet |
| 19:56.47 | Lothaer | in a few weeks i think |
| 19:57.00 | Lothaer | ii hope its as good as the last 3 |
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| 20:02.52 | NeoTron | http://news.wenxuecity.com/messages/200710/news-gb2312-471950.html |
| 20:02.54 | NeoTron | lol |
| 20:03.00 | NeoTron | just look at the pictures in order |
| 20:07.59 | Nocts | haha |
| 20:11.58 | Xelopheris | lol |
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| 20:16.47 | CIA-7 | 037destiny * r53117 10BigWigs/ZulAman/Jan'alai.lua: BigWigs: Back to UTF-8 (thx funkydude) |
| 20:17.06 | nevcairiel | asias |
| 20:17.19 | nevcairiel | s/asias/asians/ |
| 20:17.20 | cncfanatics | gonna log |
| 20:17.21 | cncfanatics | nn ppl |
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| 20:19.01 | Xelopheris | grr, wtb ability to protect one .lua file instead of ignoring the entire addon's ability to update |
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| 20:20.06 | Xinhuan | set read-only flag to true. |
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| 20:21.49 | Nefarion | Any forum admins on? |
| 20:22.53 | CIA-7 | 037destiny * r53118 10Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0/NPCModules/CoilfangReservoir/SerpentshrineCavern/Leotheras.lua: |
| 20:22.53 | CIA-7 | Threat-1.0: |
| 20:22.53 | CIA-7 | - Back to UTF-8 |
| 20:22.55 | Xelopheris | grr, first PC restart since I moved into my apartment in september :( |
| 20:23.36 | Nefarion | wow |
| 20:25.09 | sylvanaar | make another addon with that lua file in it |
| 20:26.16 | aestil | what is UTF-8? |
| 20:26.51 | CIA-7 | 03simlan * r53119 10ActionCombat/ (ActionCombat.lua ActionCombat.toc): ActionCombat: More detailed notes in TOC, slash command renamed |
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| 20:28.25 | sag_ich_nicht | okay which fucking translator broke me logging in this time |
| 20:28.29 | aestil | Josh_Borke: do you find it wierd the the best necklace, by far, for any SP pre BT is a trash drop in Kara? |
| 20:28.35 | Xelopheris | A chinese one, sag_ich_nicht |
| 20:28.45 | Josh_Borke | aestil: naw |
| 20:28.51 | Josh_Borke | aestil: teh best boots are still FSW :-D |
| 20:29.06 | Xelopheris | oh, 7destiny... |
| 20:29.06 | sag_ich_nicht | i better be able to login now |
| 20:29.09 | aestil | techincally, but with set bonuses, T6 is definetly better, T5 is close. |
| 20:29.22 | Josh_Borke | replace the other pieces |
| 20:29.28 | aestil | but still. its a Trash drop, its random, i've never seen it drop. |
| 20:29.33 | aestil | <- not a tailor. |
| 20:29.37 | Josh_Borke | i've never seen it drop either |
| 20:29.40 | deadlock | Is there a good guide adding Addon's to your UI/ UI editing for beginners. |
| 20:29.46 | sag_ich_nicht | best boots=rocket boots |
| 20:29.50 | Josh_Borke | i have this one shadow priest in my guild who bitches at me for focusing purely on damage |
| 20:29.51 | sag_ich_nicht | discussion over |
| 20:29.57 | Josh_Borke | i want to punch his lights out |
| 20:30.56 | aestil | how much unbuffed +dmg do you have? |
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| 20:31.11 | Josh_Borke | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormreaver&n=dagh |
| 20:31.37 | aestil | working on S2 mace right now? |
| 20:31.38 | Josh_Borke | 955 (i just got the HH ring which puts me to 963) |
| 20:31.41 | sag_ich_nicht | nope |
| 20:31.44 | sag_ich_nicht | still getting disconnected |
| 20:31.48 | Josh_Borke | aestil: yea, just started though |
| 20:31.50 | sag_ich_nicht | after i logged in and the interface loaded |
| 20:31.52 | Josh_Borke | plan to buy it when 2.3 comes out |
| 20:31.54 | sag_ich_nicht | the 3D render started already |
| 20:31.58 | sag_ich_nicht | and then i get disconnected again |
| 20:32.01 | sag_ich_nicht | who the fuck broke it |
| 20:32.06 | sag_ich_nicht | must have been a recent commit |
| 20:32.07 | aestil | !c us darkspear aestil |
| 20:32.12 | sag_ich_nicht | today or yesterday |
| 20:32.13 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 20:32.19 | Josh_Borke | no bot :-( |
| 20:32.21 | aestil | wtf, how come the bot never works for me? |
| 20:32.28 | aestil | whhhaaaa? |
| 20:32.30 | aestil | why not? |
| 20:32.32 | Josh_Borke | no thrae |
| 20:32.47 | aestil | fail. |
| 20:33.14 | aestil | i'm just under 1100 unbuffed, but i have the blessings card. so its another +80 during a fight. |
| 20:33.34 | Josh_Borke | i hate you |
| 20:33.44 | aestil | i need orb of the soul caller. |
| 20:33.50 | aestil | you don't have icon of the silver crescent. |
| 20:33.54 | aestil | make that happen. |
| 20:34.07 | aestil | the other trinket you have is pretty much fail :( |
| 20:34.08 | Josh_Borke | i'm trying to get the offhand first |
| 20:34.11 | Gnarfoz | sag_ich_nicht: how about "you suck, your box sucks, gtfo"? :P |
| 20:34.15 | aestil | get icon first. |
| 20:34.16 | Josh_Borke | both trinkets are fail, wtf are you talking about? |
| 20:34.17 | CIA-7 | 037destiny * r53120 10eePanels2/ (eePanels2.toc localization/localization.koKR.lua): eePanels2: changed utf8 |
| 20:34.18 | aestil | its much better. |
| 20:34.19 | sag_ich_nicht | Offenderserv is running Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600) on an AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+ at 2.60 GHz with 1033/2048MB (50.44%) RAM free. |
| 20:34.19 | sag_ich_nicht | It has an NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX running at 1680x1050x32bpp 60Hz, SB Live! 24-bit, and 651.94 GB of 1294.81 GB available on 2 drive(s). |
| 20:34.22 | sag_ich_nicht | Gnarfoz: no u |
| 20:34.22 | aestil | the GCI isn't fail. |
| 20:34.28 | Josh_Borke | it'll also take me a long time |
| 20:34.36 | Gnarfoz | sag_ich_nicht: fail :< |
| 20:34.38 | Josh_Borke | i have time to run maybe 1 heroic a night |
| 20:34.44 | aestil | when you can use Icon and GCI once a minute, over a 10 minute fight, its ALOT of extra +dmg |
| 20:34.50 | sag_ich_nicht | Gnarfoz: no, already have the money saved for a phenom |
| 20:34.51 | aestil | Josh_Borke: make that 1 mech. |
| 20:34.51 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 20:34.56 | aestil | in just over a week you have it. |
| 20:34.57 | Josh_Borke | aestil: i do :-D |
| 20:34.57 | Xelopheris | GCI = ? |
| 20:35.15 | aestil | GCI is >>> better than xiri gift |
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| 20:35.28 | Xelopheris | okay, CGI = ? |
| 20:35.32 | Xelopheris | GCI* |
| 20:35.37 | Gnarfoz | sag_ich_nicht: and what apps do you plan to use that will utilize a multi-core (>2, 4 in this case) cpu? :> |
| 20:35.40 | Josh_Borke | glowing crystal insignia |
| 20:35.42 | aestil | glowing crystal insignia |
| 20:35.59 | aestil | i have the boots off hydross and the belt off lurker. |
| 20:36.02 | Tem | glowing crystal insignia |
| 20:36.04 | Josh_Borke | GCI is on a 2minute cooldown whereas xiri's is on 1 |
| 20:36.05 | aestil | your wand is better than mine. |
| 20:36.11 | Gnarfoz | Tem: glowing crystal insignia! |
| 20:36.19 | Tem | I |
| 20:36.23 | Josh_Borke | my guild can't kill lurker |
| 20:36.26 | TNSe | shadowfiend is still pwning OMEN :P |
| 20:36.27 | aestil | yeah, but Josh_Borke the GCI is a 20 second effect. |
| 20:36.31 | Tem | 'm pretty sure I vendored that a long time ago because it's greeness pissed me off |
| 20:36.45 | aestil | and its a flat 26+dmg |
| 20:36.48 | aestil | all the time |
| 20:36.55 | Josh_Borke | either way, i'll be replacing xiri's gift with the HH trinket |
| 20:37.03 | Tem | the HH trinket? |
| 20:37.07 | aestil | the one that has a chance to give you mana back? |
| 20:37.09 | Josh_Borke | mark of honor hold |
| 20:37.11 | Josh_Borke | yes |
| 20:37.13 | Tem | oh |
| 20:37.16 | Tem | yeah, I like that one |
| 20:37.25 | aestil | yeah, i used that till icon of silver cresdent |
| 20:37.25 | Josh_Borke | just can't find any horde to kill to speed it up |
| 20:37.34 | aestil | and then i switchout GCI for crusade trinket |
| 20:37.37 | Tem | I use it alongside silver crescent |
| 20:37.47 | Tem | (for trash) |
| 20:37.53 | Tem | I like nexus horn for bosses |
| 20:37.53 | aestil | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Darkspear&n=Aestil |
| 20:38.03 | sag_ich_nicht | [22:35] <Gnarfoz> sag_ich_nicht: and what apps do you plan to use that will utilize a multi-core (>2, 4 in this case) cpu? :> <--i multitask a fuckton and intend to balance the load more to allow better reaction time, the dualcore isn't doing it anymore :P |
| 20:38.24 | Gnarfoz | wtb better scheduler, right? |
| 20:38.33 | Josh_Borke | i figure my upgrades will be: offhand (orb of soul eater), HH trinket, cloak of the black void, S2 mace |
| 20:38.51 | aestil | icon of silver crescent > orb of soulcaller for right now. |
| 20:38.54 | aestil | for you. |
| 20:38.56 | aestil | imo. |
| 20:39.06 | Josh_Borke | but orb of soulcaller is what i'd get today |
| 20:39.10 | Josh_Borke | once i ran mech |
| 20:39.21 | aestil | so that means you'd be that much farther from getting icon. |
| 20:39.30 | sag_ich_nicht | [22:38] <Gnarfoz> wtb better scheduler, right? <--yes :( |
| 20:39.32 | Josh_Borke | you're breaking my will aestil |
| 20:39.34 | aestil | you lose +hit. |
| 20:39.40 | sag_ich_nicht | tell it windows coders 8( |
| 20:39.42 | Josh_Borke | i have a surplus of hit |
| 20:39.45 | sag_ich_nicht | do not want vista |
| 20:39.46 | aestil | for right now, that star heart lamp is good. |
| 20:39.50 | aestil | Josh_Borke: respec |
| 20:39.58 | Josh_Borke | aestil: with pleasure! |
| 20:40.01 | Xelopheris | grrr, is there any way to run WoW well on 'nix without paying for Cedega? |
| 20:40.02 | Josh_Borke | give me a talent spec |
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| 20:40.09 | Josh_Borke | Xelopheris: wine |
| 20:40.17 | Xelopheris | it works with just wine? |
| 20:40.20 | Josh_Borke | yes |
| 20:40.53 | aestil | i have 172 hit rating, look at my spec. just take talents out of the +hit and put them in better places. |
| 20:41.03 | aestil | most epic gear you'll have access to has some +hit on it. |
| 20:41.31 | Josh_Borke | guild can kill gruul and VR |
| 20:41.40 | Josh_Borke | and VR is only on thursdays for some weird reason |
| 20:42.05 | Antiarc | You can hit 300+ hit rating in Karazhan gear, unless I'm gravely mistaken or we're not talking about rogues. |
| 20:42.06 | Josh_Borke | vr kills i should say |
| 20:42.23 | Josh_Borke | can rogues sw:d? |
| 20:42.35 | Chompers | stupid hit rating |
| 20:42.40 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 20:42.43 | sag_ich_nicht | maybe atlas is breaking it |
| 20:42.43 | Chompers | i never have enough, 228 at the moment |
| 20:42.55 | CIA-7 | 037destiny * r53121 10RatingBuster/RatingBuster-Locale-koKR.lua: RatingBuster: Updated localization koKR |
| 20:42.59 | Xelopheris | <<-- exactly enough hit rating... until shapeshifter's signet gets nerfed |
| 20:43.02 | kadrahil | my hunter is hitcapped :D |
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| 20:43.25 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 20:43.27 | Chompers | 7% missed hits this raid |
| 20:43.27 | Josh_Borke | spriest + frost mage would be decent in 2v2, yes or no? |
| 20:43.33 | Chompers | 15% glancing too |
| 20:43.40 | Xelopheris | well actually, 1 hit rating too much |
| 20:43.41 | Antiarc | But hitcapping a hunter isn't really a challenge <_< |
| 20:43.50 | Xelopheris | hitcapping a druid without gimping stats is |
| 20:43.51 | kadrahil | Antiarc: no :( |
| 20:44.00 | Xelopheris | Effing rogue gear >< |
| 20:44.19 | Antiarc | Well, with the Heart of the Wild change, rogue gear is basically cat gear now. |
| 20:44.29 | Xelopheris | not really |
| 20:44.33 | Xelopheris | AP doesn't benefit from Kings |
| 20:44.40 | Xelopheris | so Str is still slightly ahead in itemization |
| 20:44.58 | Xelopheris | brb, booting a live CD to repartition |
| 20:45.34 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll flip and smash random authors in the face |
| 20:45.36 | sag_ich_nicht | if i can't login soon |
| 20:45.45 | Antiarc | Yay, you can't reach mine |
| 20:46.32 | aestil | antiarc, where you ever able to add customization to the pullout threat bar? I have stopped using it for quite some time. |
| 20:46.54 | Antiarc | No, I haven't. I've been too busy to put any significant work into WoW addons lately :/ |
| 20:47.03 | aestil | thats cool. |
| 20:47.14 | aestil | real life > than wow > wow addons : |
| 20:47.15 | Chompers | how's that been working out Antiarc? |
| 20:47.19 | Chompers | everything going well i hope |
| 20:47.31 | Antiarc | Yeah, going well. We're hoping to start making money pretty quickly :) |
| 20:47.32 | aestil | Antiarc: you guys downed KT yet? |
| 20:47.35 | Antiarc | Yup |
| 20:47.40 | aestil | gratz. |
| 20:47.55 | Antiarc | KT down, Rage down, Najentus/Supremus/Akama down in BT |
| 20:48.04 | aestil | we have spent 4 nights on him. and night 4 was like 'backwards' we think people are burnt out. gonna spend a few nights with SSC ez sauce. |
| 20:48.57 | Antiarc | I think we spent 4 or 5 nights on him |
| 20:49.08 | Antiarc | Though half of those were 1-clear nights |
| 20:49.33 | aestil | after night 2, i thoutht we may clear him on night 4. |
| 20:49.38 | aestil | but it wasn't to be. |
| 20:49.45 | aestil | people started being stupid in P1. |
| 20:49.48 | Antiarc | How far are you getting? |
| 20:49.50 | Antiarc | Ouch. |
| 20:49.52 | sag_ich_nicht | where |
| 20:49.52 | sag_ich_nicht | is |
| 20:49.54 | sag_ich_nicht | elkano |
| 20:50.05 | aestil | Antiarc: we were constantly getting to P4 on night 2. |
| 20:50.05 | sag_ich_nicht | i have to rip open his head and make it all messed up |
| 20:50.08 | aestil | with everyone up. |
| 20:50.11 | sag_ich_nicht | ItemDB is breaking my login |
| 20:50.12 | Chompers | damn you Antiarc, more progress than me even when you're away |
| 20:50.18 | Antiarc | Wow, I'm surprised you haven't dropped him then. |
| 20:50.23 | aestil | as am I. |
| 20:50.28 | aestil | like i said. |
| 20:50.31 | Antiarc | Getting to P4 with everyone up was where it got really easy for us |
| 20:50.32 | aestil | we went backwards. |
| 20:50.49 | aestil | people pulling aggro on sanginuar in P1 |
| 20:50.55 | Xinhuan | zzz, i'm still stuck on archimonde, we couldn't even kill azgalor tonight because there were only 1 druid and 2 locks online T_T |
| 20:51.13 | Antiarc | http://files.filefront.com/Guild+of+Guilds+vs+Kaelthas/;8807799;/fileinfo.html |
| 20:51.18 | Antiarc | Kinda a sloppy kill <_< |
| 20:51.20 | Antiarc | But we got him |
| 20:51.23 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc |
| 20:51.32 | sag_ich_nicht | you know that you end has come when 2.3 hits live |
| 20:51.33 | sag_ich_nicht | right? 8D |
| 20:51.37 | Antiarc | Why |
| 20:51.41 | sag_ich_nicht | taintlog |
| 20:51.46 | aestil | 2.3 will make KT easier. |
| 20:51.46 | kadrahil | what role in raids do shammies usually play? |
| 20:51.48 | sag_ich_nicht | i will destroy you all! |
| 20:51.51 | kadrahil | raid heals? |
| 20:51.56 | Antiarc | Depends on spec |
| 20:51.57 | aestil | kadrahil: healing/dps. |
| 20:52.02 | Chompers | 3/4 TK killed so we could try kael |
| 20:52.07 | sag_ich_nicht | aestil: it will give me flaming material for months |
| 20:52.09 | Chompers | looks like a craaazy fight |
| 20:52.11 | Antiarc | We use resto shaman for raid patch healing via chain heal, etc, and an enhance shaman for the melee group |
| 20:52.13 | Nefarion | Makes me want to utter "stfu and throw me heals!" =P |
| 20:52.13 | kadrahil | well, if i went resto at 70 |
| 20:52.16 | kadrahil | ah |
| 20:52.19 | evl | How do I delete a group from an existing FuBar menu? |
| 20:52.30 | Antiarc | Chain heal is pretty ridiculous |
| 20:52.31 | kadrahil | is enhance viable for raid dps? |
| 20:52.44 | Xinhuan | kadrahil: yes |
| 20:52.45 | evl | no |
| 20:52.45 | Arrowmaster | http://files.filefront.com/Vashjavi/;8870312;/fileinfo.html |
| 20:52.46 | kadrahil | wait, you said enhance |
| 20:52.46 | aestil | dps is ok, but WF is uber. |
| 20:52.58 | evl | you come for the WF not the enhance dps |
| 20:53.01 | Arrowmaster | our first vashj kill on monday from enchance shaman pov ^^^^ |
| 20:53.03 | kadrahil | ah |
| 20:53.03 | Antiarc | Enhance is good raid DPS, but unleashed rage/windfury on four other DPS is an INSANE boost. |
| 20:53.07 | Xinhuan | we often bring 4-5 shamans to a raid |
| 20:53.09 | evl | 15-20% extra dps on all rogues |
| 20:53.10 | sag_ich_nicht | anyone know if elkano uses a different nick on IRC? |
| 20:53.13 | kadrahil | wow |
| 20:53.19 | Xinhuan | 1 enhancement, 1 elemental, and 2-3 restoratin |
| 20:53.19 | evl | plus heroism |
| 20:53.21 | evl | which is a shitload |
| 20:53.26 | kadrahil | sag_ich_nicht: pretty sure he uses Elkano |
| 20:53.29 | sag_ich_nicht | k |
| 20:53.30 | kadrahil | ~seen Elkano |
| 20:53.32 | purl | elkano <i=86603dd4@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 9h 13m 52s ago, saying: 'evl, the raid colortable keys maybe?'. |
| 20:53.33 | evl | chainheal is ridiculous |
| 20:53.41 | sag_ich_nicht | ~botmail for Elkano |
| 20:53.43 | sag_ich_nicht | ah damn it |
| 20:53.47 | sag_ich_nicht | stupid enterkey |
| 20:53.47 | kadrahil | yeah, can't decide if i want to stay enhance or go resto |
| 20:53.47 | sag_ich_nicht | 8D |
| 20:53.50 | kadrahil | but that's 50 levels away, so |
| 20:53.56 | Xinhuan | whatever you choose |
| 20:53.59 | Xinhuan | you need the gear for it |
| 20:54.04 | Kuja^ | [22:50:09] <sag_ich_nicht> ItemDB is breaking my login <- dito here |
| 20:54.05 | aestil | elemental is good dps. but seems like a nerf in 2.3 |
| 20:54.05 | kadrahil | yeah |
| 20:54.07 | evl | kadrahil: tbh changing specs when you finally got some gear is pretty dangerous |
| 20:54.14 | evl | we have some tanks going fury |
| 20:54.18 | evl | and they suck |
| 20:54.18 | kadrahil | aestil: i noticed that in the patch notes, i wasn't sure about elemental |
| 20:54.21 | Nefarion | If it's 50 levels away, you'll feel MUCH differently when you get there. Trust me. Don't even dwell on it now. |
| 20:54.31 | kadrahil | evl: well, assuming you know how to play both specs |
| 20:54.33 | Nefarion | Wait 'til you're within 5 levels.. |
| 20:54.41 | Chompers | gave up my t3 blacksmith sword for fury, guild loved me for it |
| 20:54.42 | kadrahil | evl: and have the gear for boths pecs |
| 20:54.42 | deltron | i'd like to see how elemental works with the new LO change |
| 20:54.43 | sag_ich_nicht | ~botmail for Elkano: Elkano, ItemDB needs a delay on load of about 30 seconds, or somehow pipe your stuff thru CTL, it's causing a disconnect on logon otherwise because of server timeout. |
| 20:55.12 | Arrowmaster | one of our dps groups on vashj was 3 warriors, a rogue, and an enchance shaman, the rogue and shaman are both leather workers and kept poping drums of battle everytime the cooldown was up |
| 20:55.14 | *** join/#wowace zeeg (n=zeeg@76.251.95.6) |
| 20:55.26 | kadrahil | evl: can they main heal heroics, given adequate gear? |
| 20:55.27 | deltron | i love drums |
| 20:55.30 | Antiarc | Yes |
| 20:55.33 | deltron | I pop drums of restoration every time it's up |
| 20:55.38 | Antiarc | Shaman are perfectly adequate main healers |
| 20:55.41 | aestil | Vashj is a pretty easy fight. |
| 20:55.44 | kadrahil | Antiarc: cool |
| 20:55.51 | Xinhuan | kadrahil: 1 single restoration shaman is enough to solo heal a karazhan raid group until opera |
| 20:55.56 | Nefarion | Anyone have a friend that wants to join by chance? |
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| 20:55.59 | Nefarion | The game.. |
| 20:55.59 | aestil | i'm pretty sick of stupidity wiping us in KT. |
| 20:56.00 | kadrahil | Xinhuan: wow |
| 20:56.04 | deltron | kadrahil: i'm a resto shaman, have no issues healing |
| 20:56.10 | Xinhuan | and we 9-man that stuff too |
| 20:56.11 | kadrahil | deltron: cool :) |
| 20:56.14 | Xinhuan | or 8 |
| 20:56.19 | sag_ich_nicht | i want to punch most alliance elemental shamans i see in the face |
| 20:56.25 | sag_ich_nicht | it's like 600 spelldmg and they look for a raid |
| 20:56.25 | kadrahil | Xinhuan: hah, we 4 manned BBW once when people died |
| 20:56.26 | deltron | we 4 manned attumen/midnight one night because we were bored lol |
| 20:56.29 | sag_ich_nicht | and i'm like 8( |
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| 20:56.52 | Xinhuan | it was pretty lol doing moroes with only 1 tank (that gets gouged) |
| 20:56.55 | Xinhuan | but still.. lol |
| 20:57.05 | kadrahil | there's a shaman on korgath in full T6 with 2.2k +healing |
| 20:57.11 | kadrahil | :X |
| 20:57.14 | deltron | !c us uldum deltron |
| 20:57.17 | deltron | my gear is crap heh |
| 20:57.32 | Chompers | so many months in karazhan, eaugh |
| 20:57.51 | Chompers | how the big guilds were done with it so fast i don't know |
| 20:58.06 | kadrahil | yeah, i'm rerolling a different class, on a different server.. not looking forward to getting geared in 5 mans and kara all over again |
| 20:58.06 | Hallucinosis | dedication |
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| 20:58.09 | kadrahil | but whatever |
| 20:58.22 | Antiarc | http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dontmesswithadalqm0xk6.jpg |
| 20:58.42 | deltron | lawl |
| 20:58.50 | kadrahil | right now i'm enjoying levelling casually on the alliance side of things |
| 20:58.50 | sag_ich_nicht | hey |
| 20:58.51 | sag_ich_nicht | guys |
| 20:58.53 | sag_ich_nicht | are you excited |
| 20:58.55 | sag_ich_nicht | about 2.3? |
| 20:58.56 | sag_ich_nicht | 8D |
| 20:59.05 | deltron | another shaman nerf! whee! |
| 20:59.18 | sag_ich_nicht | i am so happy about the taintlog |
| 20:59.19 | deltron | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Uldum&n=Deltron <-- me (wtb gear upgrades) |
| 20:59.19 | Xinhuan | what the heck is a fel reaver doing in shatt lol |
| 20:59.27 | kadrahil | Xinhuan: :O |
| 20:59.28 | Nefarion | No... |
| 20:59.29 | deltron | he used to be kiteable |
| 20:59.33 | sag_ich_nicht | nearly as happy as i am about the threat reduction |
| 20:59.48 | deltron | there was a SS of a'dal hitting a demon for like 100 |
| 20:59.55 | Nefarion | Kalgan'll be rockin' out his S3 while I'm nerfed. =P |
| 21:00.08 | Nefarion | But I don't care. Finally the 'lock FotMers are beginning to leave. |
| 21:00.23 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 21:00.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc |
| 21:00.29 | sag_ich_nicht | saurfang hits harder |
| 21:00.46 | Arrowmaster | saurfang does not hit for 100k |
| 21:00.51 | Antiarc | I remember when engineers could use the MC cap to MC him |
| 21:00.56 | sag_ich_nicht | o rly Arrowmaster |
| 21:00.59 | deltron | lol |
| 21:01.35 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 21:01.36 | sag_ich_nicht | damn |
| 21:01.38 | sag_ich_nicht | you are right |
| 21:01.39 | sag_ich_nicht | but |
| 21:01.44 | sag_ich_nicht | saurfang still hits harder |
| 21:01.46 | sag_ich_nicht | FACT |
| 21:01.47 | kadrahil | deltron: yeah when the demons at the dark portal were kited to shatt? |
| 21:01.55 | kadrahil | before they were chained |
| 21:02.05 | deltron | yeah |
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| 21:03.44 | deltron | hai Bibi` |
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| 21:04.44 | kadrahil | i finally get ghost wolf tonight :x |
| 21:04.55 | kadrahil | friggin 13 hours to 20 |
| 21:05.10 | kadrahil | but... i've been doing a lot of herbalism and alch |
| 21:05.38 | kadrahil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.51 | deltron | yay shaman |
| 21:06.21 | kadrahil | man it's been freaking forever since i've rerolled fresh without having anything |
| 21:06.38 | kadrahil | s/feral druid/noob/ |
| 21:07.00 | kadrahil | also |
| 21:07.16 | Nefarion | Feral druid = kinky |
| 21:07.17 | kadrahil | the amount of kids and lowbie retardedness on the alliance side sucks |
| 21:07.18 | Nefarion | imo |
| 21:07.40 | deltron | never had interest in playing alliance |
| 21:07.49 | Nefarion | Don't ever. |
| 21:07.53 | kadrahil | heh |
| 21:08.14 | kadrahil | i've been horde for the last 8 months or so |
| 21:08.20 | Nefarion | The worst we have on Horde is Barrens chat (and of late maybe Trade chat). They have worse shit in nearly every chat. |
| 21:08.36 | kadrahil | dude, your trade chat == barrens chat too? |
| 21:08.57 | Nefarion | yeah man |
| 21:09.01 | Nefarion | it's the belfs |
| 21:09.03 | Nefarion | lol |
| 21:09.04 | kadrahil | pfft |
| 21:09.08 | xyu | Are they making new things to spend spirit shards on in 2.3? |
| 21:09.08 | xyu | ^_^ |
| 21:09.24 | Nefarion | nah i know some good belfs, but most seem to be damn children |
| 21:09.32 | deltron | my trade chat is all about Malchazeen lately :) |
| 21:09.36 | kadrahil | i'm a belf ;) |
| 21:09.41 | xyu | me too |
| 21:09.45 | kadrahil | well |
| 21:09.47 | xyu | and a pally |
| 21:09.48 | xyu | so i must be 12 |
| 21:09.49 | deltron | like "Honey I Shrunk the Malchazeen" and stuff |
| 21:10.05 | kadrahil | i went dwarf -> new server -> undead -> belf after BC |
| 21:10.12 | Nefarion | yeah i made a belf to mess around with. never thought i'd take it anywhere--big mistake. |
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| 21:10.45 | kadrahil | i'm not that crazy about my BE hunter anymore |
| 21:10.53 | CIA-7 | 03toadkiller * r53122 10AutoBar/ (5 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 21:10.53 | CIA-7 | AutoBar: |
| 21:10.53 | CIA-7 | -- 2.02.03.16 beta () |
| 21:10.53 | CIA-7 | -- Fix issues with deleting and moving custom categories or causing them to be moved. |
| 21:10.53 | CIA-7 | -- Fix cyCircled init problems & initial style not setting. |
| 21:10.54 | CIA-7 | -- Fix issue with conjured food & water buttons disapearing even though they have a summon button |
| 21:10.54 | NeoTron | so boomkin druids on kael'thas were fun. can't sheep them :P |
| 21:10.56 | kadrahil | after playing it for the last 7 months straight |
| 21:10.56 | CIA-7 | -- Fix issue with enabling a button not having keybind. |
| 21:11.03 | Nefarion | oh god! you made a be hunter? |
| 21:11.05 | Nefarion | lol |
| 21:11.08 | kadrahil | hah yeah |
| 21:11.18 | kadrahil | i wish i had chosen something else |
| 21:11.31 | Nefarion | i don't invite *normal* hunters. but when i see a belf hunter i get just a little disgusted--especially as a former hunter. >> |
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| 21:11.41 | kadrahil | Nefarion: http://wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormreaver&n=Kadrahil |
| 21:12.04 | kadrahil | Nefarion: and i agree |
| 21:12.11 | Mecha | Hey everyone! "Fix cyCircled init problems & initial style not setting." is this the problem that causes Bongos to not change actionbars (visually) during stancedance? |
| 21:12.54 | Nefarion | Not bad. |
| 21:12.55 | kadrahil | Nefarion: sonic spear + kara gear hunter #1928379 |
| 21:13.30 | kadrahil | i haven't played that character in 2 weeks |
| 21:13.46 | Nefarion | Yeah I haven't stayed on top of post-BC hunter shit though. My hunter's from the good ol' days, back when we had an honor system and all such stuff. ^^ |
| 21:14.07 | kadrahil | ah |
| 21:15.11 | Mecha | is there a good replacement for cyCircled? |
| 21:15.12 | kadrahil | haha i logged out with the upset tummy debuff |
| 21:15.19 | kadrahil | i should leave that forever |
| 21:15.43 | Nefarion | Agh! If I call up Blizz you guys think they'll grant me a little bit of free time 'til I can pay the account officially? |
| 21:15.57 | Nefarion | I mean, I've given them now over 2 years of payment.. |
| 21:16.01 | JoshBorke | probably not |
| 21:16.19 | Nefarion | Mecha, cyCircled not working? |
| 21:16.53 | Mecha | well, it works.. but it makes bongos go nuts |
| 21:17.12 | Mecha | when I stancedance the icons dont change, but the actual skill does. |
| 21:17.14 | Tuller | someone his hooking BongosActionButton.Update improperly, it looked like |
| 21:17.17 | Mecha | if you understand what I mean |
| 21:17.24 | Ozguli | friend had some "one day prepair" stuff between payments |
| 21:17.55 | Nefarion | And this doesn't happen without cyCircled, Mecha? |
| 21:18.19 | Mecha | No :o |
| 21:18.41 | Nefarion | Happening just in combat or out too? |
| 21:18.54 | Mecha | both in and out of combat |
| 21:19.09 | Nefarion | I'll skim over the code and see if I can find what's up.. |
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| 21:19.16 | Mecha | bartender works just fine with cyCircled tho.. but I like bongos ;( |
| 21:21.05 | cryogen | flexbar2 ftw |
| 21:21.14 | Nocts | bongos is my second choice, though. |
| 21:21.37 | Mecha | I was a flexbar junkie before bongos came |
| 21:21.40 | Mecha | :D |
| 21:21.40 | Nefarion | What exactly does each offer over BT3? |
| 21:21.58 | Nefarion | Anything a non-clicker would be interested in (use the buttons for OOC actions)? |
| 21:22.12 | deltron | bartender3 works fine for me |
| 21:22.18 | Nocts | Flexbar2 offers and unlimited number of buttons, that can be grouped into an unlimited number of bars, with an unlimited number of buttons per bar, with an unlimited amount of keybindings |
| 21:22.20 | NightHawkTheSane | bt3 and bongos are pretty much equal in terms of what they can do |
| 21:22.31 | Nocts | So I use fb. |
| 21:22.47 | Nocts | Then again, you could also just not have any bars at all. |
| 21:23.00 | aestil | FB2, crazy complicated to configure by comparison to bongos2 |
| 21:23.03 | Nocts | Make a circle of buttons if you want |
| 21:23.08 | Nocts | It can be. |
| 21:23.16 | Nocts | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.22 | Nocts | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.25 | kadrahil | ooh circle |
| 21:23.27 | Nefarion | It accepts keybindings? |
| 21:23.40 | Nocts | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.50 | Nefarion | Gah I got BT3 setup just fine anyway. All I need it for is hearth, summons, buffs, etc. |
| 21:24.10 | Tuller | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.10 | Nocts | Or /fb group buttons=1-12 group=potios |
| 21:24.18 | Tuller | it should be :P |
| 21:24.22 | Nocts | *1-5 |
| 21:24.40 | kadrahil | what totem do you get after fire? |
| 21:24.45 | Nocts | water |
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| 21:25.01 | kadrahil | wind comes last? |
| 21:25.05 | Nocts | Yup, at level 30 |
| 21:25.07 | kadrahil | ah |
| 21:25.11 | kadrahil | when do you get water? |
| 21:25.12 | Nocts | Water at 20 |
| 21:25.20 | kadrahil | quest from the trainer? |
| 21:25.22 | aestil | ~seen haste |
| 21:25.25 | purl | haste is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowace. Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 2h 34m 11s, last said: 'there's always linux talk here!'. |
| 21:25.25 | Nocts | Yup |
| 21:25.29 | kadrahil | ok |
| 21:25.31 | aestil | ~haste |
| 21:25.32 | purl | a very pervert guy, he always makes porn voices on Ventrilo. |
| 21:25.34 | cryogen | earth < 10 fire 10 water 20 wind 30 |
| 21:25.36 | haste | D: |
| 21:25.39 | Nocts | Captain Planet isn't until level 50 |
| 21:25.42 | kadrahil | thanks |
| 21:25.44 | cryogen | 10 and 20 are very annoying quests for horde |
| 21:25.45 | Nefarion | lol |
| 21:25.47 | aestil | link to your google code page haste? |
| 21:25.48 | kadrahil | heh |
| 21:25.59 | cryogen | 30 is a "here's your totem" quest iirc |
| 21:26.03 | haste | aestil: http://code.google.com/p/wow-haste/ |
| 21:26.08 | aestil | thank you. |
| 21:26.23 | kadrahil | cryogen: my shaman is draenei, all the totem quests so far have been on bloodmyst |
| 21:26.36 | deltron | fake shaman! |
| 21:26.41 | cryogen | the alliance versions are significatly less annoying |
| 21:26.44 | kadrahil | i'm about to ding 20 tonight so we'll see where the water takes you |
| 21:26.44 | Nocts | Only one totem quest is in bloodmust |
| 21:26.54 | aestil | haste the roll frame addon. |
| 21:26.59 | kadrahil | Nocts: the fire quest |
| 21:27.03 | aestil | is what i want. |
| 21:27.04 | Nocts | That's azuremyst |
| 21:27.05 | kadrahil | err |
| 21:27.10 | kadrahil | yeah |
| 21:27.12 | kadrahil | wait |
| 21:27.15 | Nocts | Fire is on azuremyst, water is on bloodmyst, and water is north of the exodar in azuremyst |
| 21:27.21 | Nocts | *wind is north |
| 21:27.22 | haste | aestil: maneki and friends, it will change soon however, not sure when tho' :p |
| 21:27.35 | aestil | its not on your google page. |
| 21:27.43 | haste | it's on the SVN only |
| 21:27.47 | kadrahil | i thought fire totem was on bloodmyst? i've already forgot |
| 21:27.53 | aestil | haste, wowace? |
| 21:27.57 | Mecha | Well, anyway.. I'd love a fix for cyCircled vs Bongos. I like bongos too much to let it go ;S |
| 21:28.01 | haste | no, gcode |
| 21:28.03 | haste | go into source |
| 21:28.16 | Nocts | When did cy break with bongos? O.o |
| 21:29.04 | Mecha | a few days ago |
| 21:29.15 | aestil | haste, this fails for me. i am not skilled enough to make use of it. |
| 21:29.19 | kadrahil | "elekks are serious business" |
| 21:29.40 | Mecha | there's no replacement for cyCircled? That does the same thing? :o |
| 21:29.46 | Nocts | http://blog.dreamhost.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/serious.jpg |
| 21:29.52 | haste | aestil: aaw :( |
| 21:29.57 | deltron | cycircled + bartender = win |
| 21:30.05 | Nocts | flexbar+dreamlayout=win |
| 21:30.10 | kadrahil | back to work, bbl |
| 21:30.15 | Nefarion | Elekks ftl |
| 21:30.15 | Nocts | Never liked bartender very much anyway. |
| 21:30.22 | aestil | xloot is broken for me. frame is huge. just looking for a replacement, and jumped at it when i saw you wrote a roll frame mod. |
| 21:30.37 | Nefarion | roll frame? where? |
| 21:30.47 | deltron | aestil: like it extends really far to the right? |
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| 21:30.56 | haste | aestil: I can probably zip it down or so |
| 21:31.08 | aestil | deltron: straight down actually. |
| 21:31.17 | deltron | mine went to the right lol |
| 21:31.24 | aestil | from wherever my cursor happens to be when i loot, to the botom of the screen. |
| 21:31.39 | Mecha | I like the snap settings in bongos :D |
| 21:31.49 | aestil | haste: is it what i assume it is? xloot type of mod? |
| 21:32.17 | haste | aestil: not directly xloot |
| 21:32.36 | aestil | haste: just the roll frame? |
| 21:32.41 | aestil | not the loot window as well? |
| 21:32.50 | haste | just roll frame atm |
| 21:32.51 | CIA-7 | 03jwensley2 * r53123 10MageAnnounce/MageAnnounce.toc: |
| 21:32.51 | CIA-7 | MageAnnounce: |
| 21:32.51 | CIA-7 | - %s and %l will now work for CS and Slow |
| 21:32.53 | Xuerian | Guess I need to resubscribe and fix it, don't I |
| 21:32.54 | Nocts | There are plenty on wowi, why not go there? |
| 21:32.58 | haste | planning on doing those two soon |
| 21:33.15 | aestil | Xuerian: hah. |
| 21:33.30 | Xuerian | Course, now that haste's got his guns aimed at it... :P |
| 21:33.36 | Xinhuan | or borrow an account :) |
| 21:33.40 | Xinhuan | or use PTR |
| 21:33.47 | haste | :-P |
| 21:33.53 | Xinhuan | sometimes you can make a lvl 1 there without an active account ;p |
| 21:34.25 | Nocts | aestil: Why not use oen from wowi? |
| 21:34.29 | aestil | its just a really frustrating problem, and it was even more frustrating to turn it off. |
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| 21:34.37 | aestil | what is oen? |
| 21:34.43 | Nocts | *one |
| 21:34.48 | aestil | Nocts: one what? |
| 21:34.55 | Nocts | -.- |
| 21:35.09 | Nefarion | i think he meant a loot frame addon from wowi |
| 21:35.19 | Nocts | And did it break because you upgraded? |
| 21:36.40 | haste | aestil: http://haste.ixo.no/maneki.zip << poke it some, and let me know what you feel is missing :p |
| 21:37.34 | aestil | what is the _XLoot /_Blizzard folders? Skins? |
| 21:37.52 | haste | yeh, that's one of the things that will change |
| 21:38.20 | haste | I'm far from satisfied with that version |
| 21:40.15 | Xuerian | Haste: What are your plans, replace roll/loot frames? Whatever you're not going to replace, I can plan on working on. |
| 21:40.23 | CIA-7 | 03jwensley2 * r53124 10MageAnnounce/MageAnnounce.lua: |
| 21:40.23 | CIA-7 | MageAnnounce: |
| 21:40.23 | CIA-7 | - and the lua file this time... |
| 21:40.36 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: wrt the fel reaver/a'dal screen - got the one where A'dal is dead, killed by kited demons? (before he was buffed to have more than 1k-ish HP and also be able to defend himself xD) |
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| 21:40.39 | haste | Xuerian: I'm only aiming at the loot frame and group loot frames |
| 21:40.49 | Antiarc | heh, yeaah, I've seen that one |
| 21:41.06 | Xuerian | haste: Alrighty |
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| 21:42.00 | aestil | haste: /maneki style gives me no option, and seems to change nothing. |
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| 21:42.11 | aestil | i would like to be able to scale, set growth direction etc. |
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| 21:44.53 | zt | quick question for anyone who knows...what addon is it that makes the chat window in wow like, minimizable |
| 21:45.07 | Xuerian | DreamChat |
| 21:45.16 | zt | awesome, thanks |
| 21:45.33 | *** part/#wowace zt (n=Jesse@148.189.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 21:45.45 | AKX | But it's probably pretty broken. :) |
| 21:45.57 | AKX | But ymmv, gl, etc. |
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| 21:48.59 | CIA-7 | 03simlan * r53125 10ActionCombat/ (ActionCombat.lua Locale_deDE.lua Locale_enUS.lua): ActionCombat: Added "Blessing of the Silver Crescent" Trinket-Buff |
| 21:49.20 | aestil | ~seen sirow |
| 21:49.23 | purl | sirow <n=Miranda_@p57A4E3C5.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 9d 1h 17m 43s ago, saying: 'files.wowace.com/AvionDefaultMedia/'. |
| 21:49.39 | Codexius | anyone know the name of a really good code sharing website |
| 21:49.41 | aestil | that guy has fallen off the face of the earth, having left an addon only partially ready. |
| 21:49.45 | Codexius | codelog or w.e? |
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| 21:54.34 | Daemona | hmmm latest itemdb prevents WoW from loading successfully. |
| 21:55.05 | Nocts | Last I checked dreamchat was broken, wasn't it? |
| 21:55.10 | Nocts | And minichat used in it's place? |
| 21:55.37 | nevcairiel | i thought dreamchat still works |
| 21:55.39 | nevcairiel | but dunno |
| 21:55.59 | Kaelten | http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34517/118/ |
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| 21:57.14 | Orionshock | Ominous_: ping |
| 21:57.39 | Industrial | judge.. tv.. why? |
| 21:57.47 | Industrial | *zap* |
| 21:57.53 | Nocts | Same reason lawyers put their ads on TV and in Newpapers. |
| 21:58.07 | Nocts | Low-quality commercialism that breaks business ethics. |
| 21:58.27 | Nocts | Even the BAR council recommends against advertising at all. |
| 21:59.07 | nevcairiel | you dont have judge tv in your funny country Industrial? |
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| 21:59.33 | nevcairiel | it was like modern a few years ago here, every stupid station had it on the afternoon |
| 22:02.02 | ulic | Daemona: yea, I noticed that too. |
| 22:02.12 | Orionshock | and either half of them where staged or just plain stupid |
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| 22:06.03 | NeoTron | man judge judy is like a highlight of american television |
| 22:06.38 | NeoTron | but http://www.texasjusticetv.com/ probably takes the price |
| 22:09.25 | neenee | Hm. Is there a delay now when sending money to someone? |
| 22:09.37 | Xelopheris | yes |
| 22:09.38 | Xelopheris | 1 hour |
| 22:09.45 | Xelopheris | but in return, items are instant within your own account |
| 22:09.53 | many | they were before |
| 22:10.03 | neenee | oki |
| 22:10.11 | Chompers | Antiarc: are you still around? |
| 22:10.15 | balstor | items are instant now inside of one account |
| 22:10.16 | Antiarc | yeah |
| 22:10.35 | Chompers | you're a rogue and know your stuff, i need a little help with +hit ratings |
| 22:10.41 | Antiarc | Sure |
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| 22:10.57 | Chompers | i need to work out what's a good number to go for |
| 22:11.06 | Antiarc | What level of progression? |
| 22:11.09 | Chompers | as i think after a certain number the hit becomes wasted |
| 22:11.24 | Chompers | early ssc/TK 3/4 |
| 22:11.28 | Chompers | fury warrior btw |
| 22:11.32 | Antiarc | Ooh, okay |
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| 22:12.01 | Antiarc | Uh, as a fury warrior you want 8.6% hit, then all the crit you can. |
| 22:12.01 | Chompers | 228 hit at the moment, not sure when i should start focusing on pure ap |
| 22:12.13 | Antiarc | That's way too much hit, from what our resident DPS warrior god tells me |
| 22:12.19 | Chompers | oh my |
| 22:12.23 | charon | evening |
| 22:12.51 | aestil | is there a new heroic reward wand? |
| 22:12.51 | Chompers | from tonights tk run i missed 7% of my attacks, which seems a little high |
| 22:13.13 | balstor | hit isn't wated for dual wield till the high 300s it's just in the low 200s high 190s crit and AP give a better return on damage |
| 22:13.14 | Antiarc | Eh. As long as you aren't missing specials, it isn't a huge concern, from what I understand |
| 22:13.26 | charon | Antiarc: i had a rather strange problem today... been tanking leotheras as usual and there were no aggro resets :( |
| 22:13.36 | Antiarc | Crit tends to return more rage than hit, and keeps flurry up |
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| 22:13.50 | Chompers | 31% crit so far |
| 22:14.00 | Chompers | any higher and i think it becomes wasted |
| 22:14.15 | balstor | but without white hits you get no rage so the general rule keep 200 hit rating the stack AP and Crit |
| 22:14.21 | Antiarc | Well, our warrior runs 45% crit, but I dunno. |
| 22:14.32 | Antiarc | He's sorta insane. |
| 22:14.45 | balstor | naw you can push crit into the 50% range now, since the 2.2 (maybe 2.1 ) patch |
| 22:15.07 | Chompers | really? |
| 22:15.13 | Chompers | man, wish i knew this stuff |
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| 22:15.35 | NivFreak | all the number stay to not stack hit past 100, you still want it, just don't sac str/crit for it |
| 22:15.35 | balstor | yhea they change a lot of the math around when they played with glancing blows |
| 22:15.43 | NivFreak | s/stay/say/ |
| 22:15.57 | balstor | if your dual wield and your at 100 your failing |
| 22:16.12 | Chompers | i replaced a few +str gems with +hit, damnit |
| 22:16.17 | balstor | I think 100 is for MS warriors |
| 22:16.20 | NivFreak | no |
| 22:16.22 | NivFreak | it's for DW |
| 22:16.26 | Chompers | 100 is really low |
| 22:16.31 | NivFreak | It's not saying to stop taking hit at 100 |
| 22:16.36 | Antiarc | 138 hit rating minimum unless you have hit talents |
| 22:16.45 | NivFreak | just that 1 STR > 1 CRIT > 1 HIT at ~100 hit rating |
| 22:16.51 | Antiarc | No |
| 22:16.52 | NivFreak | when your yellow stop missing |
| 22:16.54 | Antiarc | 138 hit rating. |
| 22:16.59 | NivFreak | with talents |
| 22:17.00 | NivFreak | :P |
| 22:17.03 | Antiarc | Your yellows will miss with 100 hit rating on bosses. |
| 22:17.09 | NivFreak | who doesn't take precision? |
| 22:17.10 | NivFreak | :P |
| 22:17.31 | Antiarc | Well, MS warriors, for one :P |
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| 22:17.41 | NivFreak | but they use 2Hers ;P |
| 22:17.44 | Chompers | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kul+Tiras&n=Chomps |
| 22:17.48 | Chompers | if that's any use |
| 22:17.49 | NivFreak | and sure, stack more hit |
| 22:18.04 | NivFreak | you get the idea anyway |
| 22:18.09 | NivFreak | 200 is too much if your forcing it |
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| 22:18.17 | NivFreak | you're |
| 22:18.21 | Antiarc | Basically - |
| 22:18.29 | Antiarc | Hit is a lot lessi mportant for warriors than it is for rogues. |
| 22:18.56 | balstor | yhea rogues get energy from their white attacks |
| 22:19.12 | Antiarc | Well, that and over 60% of our total damage is white. |
| 22:19.45 | Antiarc | Last week's winterchill kill, 61% of my daamge was from autoattack |
| 22:19.55 | aestil | rogues get energy from white attacks... what? |
| 22:20.03 | Antiarc | Combat potency |
| 22:20.12 | Antiarc | Offhand white attacks have a 20% chance to grant 15 energy |
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| 22:20.38 | Chompers | so str>crit>hit ir crit>str>hit |
| 22:20.43 | Chompers | *or |
| 22:20.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: is it only off hand white attacks, or can shiv proc CP? |
| 22:20.52 | aestil | ah. |
| 22:20.56 | Antiarc | Well, shiv can too |
| 22:20.57 | TNSe | shiv can proc offhand procs |
| 22:21.03 | Antiarc | But if you're spamming shiv in PVE you're probably retarded |
| 22:21.07 | charon | Antiarc ignores me :( |
| 22:21.14 | TNSe | Antiarc XD |
| 22:21.18 | TNSe | you'd be surprised |
| 22:21.22 | NightHawkTheSane | well, I didn't say that :P |
| 22:21.31 | TNSe | also, shiv doesn't get dodged or parried |
| 22:21.34 | TNSe | or blocked |
| 22:21.37 | NightHawkTheSane | but saying only white OH attacks will proc it is wrong. :P |
| 22:21.41 | Antiarc | Shiv fails for one very good reason - poisons crit based on your int |
| 22:21.48 | TNSe | so its actually decent if you dont have imp. ss |
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| 22:22.48 | aestil | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33192 |
| 22:22.52 | aestil | wicked |
| 22:23.06 | Chompers | i could repace a few +str gems with +crit i think, if that helps |
| 22:23.09 | Chompers | a +hit gem too |
| 22:23.36 | NightHawkTheSane | aestil: wtb relics with sockets. >< |
| 22:23.58 | NightHawkTheSane | if they continue the trend of ranged weapons with sockets, it'll be the whole relic issue over again. |
| 22:24.36 | deltron | poison crits on your int? huh? |
| 22:25.05 | Antiarc | Yes, poisons can crit. |
| 22:25.13 | Antiarc | And it's stupidly rare because rogues have like 30 int |
| 22:25.25 | aestil | NightHawkTheSane: yeah. i'll be slapping +9 dmg in that wand and laughing all the wawy to the bank. so to speak. |
| 22:25.31 | aestil | i still need orb of the soul caller though. |
| 22:25.46 | hyperChipmunk | 31 int, punk! |
| 22:25.50 | NightHawkTheSane | deltron: poisons use spellcrit |
| 22:26.18 | deltron | hmm that makes sense then |
| 22:27.37 | NightHawkTheSane | I have to wonder, though, if that's just a relic of the mechanics used to implement poisons, or if it's a deliberate design decision to keep rogue poisons from critting at their (significantly better) melee crit rate |
| 22:28.17 | NightHawkTheSane | (their = rogues') |
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| 22:31.19 | CIA-7 | 03schelli * r53126 10FuBar_RecountFu/RecountFu.lua: FuBar_RecountFu : added alt click to reset option |
| 22:31.58 | Xelopheris | [SmartRace:~IsEqual(Not Specified)] or [SmartRace:~IsEqual(Text(Not Specified))] ? |
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| 22:52.37 | Trell_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.47 | Antiarc | Heeehee |
| 22:52.49 | Antiarc | Actually |
| 22:52.53 | Antiarc | We 6-manned Garr Sunday |
| 22:52.55 | Antiarc | And I got it |
| 22:52.55 | Trell_ | im having so much trouble finding someone with it on my server |
| 22:52.56 | Antiarc | Finally |
| 22:53.44 | Ellipsis | wtb =[ |
| 22:54.01 | Antiarc | Why 55 healing, rather than 81? |
| 22:54.02 | durcyn | it's stupidly rare, especially now |
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| 22:54.11 | durcyn | twink healer, obviously! |
| 22:54.15 | Antiarc | Oh, right. |
| 22:54.53 | Trell_ | 55 because... |
| 22:55.12 | Ellipsis | because you can |
| 22:55.13 | Trell_ | its for my healing offset (which im getting asked to do a lot annoyingly), and I have the amts laying around for it |
| 22:55.14 | Ellipsis | :D |
| 22:55.15 | Trell_ | *mats |
| 22:55.34 | Trell_ | and I dont want to waste gold buying the mats for +81 on a weapon I'll replace soon anyway with any luck |
| 22:58.56 | NeoTron | famous last words |
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| 23:08.24 | Trell_ | NeoTron: been playing TF2 all day - I'm starting to play it more than wow. I love it. |
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| 23:11.08 | Bejitt | where can i find some info about embeds.xml? not sure if/how that's being automated or what o_O |
| 23:11.46 | CIA-7 | 03xinhuan * r53128 10WoWEquip/ (WoWEquip.lua WoWEquipData.lua localization.lua): |
| 23:11.46 | CIA-7 | WoWEquip: - Add Expertise rating for v2.3. |
| 23:11.46 | CIA-7 | - Convert from using StatLogicLib to ItemBonusLib for rating to % conversions. |
| 23:14.49 | Ellipsis | Bejitt: the only automation of it is that it is replaced with an empty one when the files script compiles no-ext zips |
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| 23:16.13 | Bejitt | ok so i move the embeds list into there? |
| 23:16.54 | Toadkiller | Sorry to be redundant but which lib is blowing up pitbull? |
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| 23:19.14 | Xinhuan | i think an addon such as BugSack will tell you, Toadkiller :) |
| 23:20.38 | CIA-7 | 03funkydude * r53129 10Grid/ (Grid.toc embeds.xml libs/): Grid: remove tablet since its unused |
| 23:20.43 | Toadkiller | strangely no errors are thrown |
| 23:20.58 | Xinhuan | what is broken? |
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| 23:22.40 | Toadkiller | pitbull being weird but i see theres another update so restarting right now |
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| 23:23.10 | Toadkiller | It has to be me or there would be posts all over the place. |
| 23:23.39 | Toadkiller | Ok just ignore all that. I must have gotten just 1/2 an update |
| 23:28.55 | CIA-7 | 03bejitt * r53130 10Spyglass/ (. Spyglass.toc embeds.xml): |
| 23:28.55 | CIA-7 | Spyglass: |
| 23:28.55 | CIA-7 | - using embeds.xml |
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| 23:29.45 | Xelopheris | Anyone recommend a good bag addon? |
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| 23:29.48 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 23:29.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Xelopheris: baggins. |
| 23:30.29 | JoshBorke | combuctor |
| 23:31.25 | Godzmack | arkinventory |
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| 23:33.26 | NightHawkTheSane | JoshBorke: is combuctor usable at all? |
| 23:33.37 | JoshBorke | NightHawkTheSane: yes |
| 23:33.39 | CIA-7 | 03daviesh * r53131 10AtlasLoot/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 23:33.39 | CIA-7 | AtlasLoot: |
| 23:33.39 | CIA-7 | - Disabled item autoqueries due to Blizzard re-instating disconnections. |
| 23:33.42 | JoshBorke | NightHawkTheSane: and it is AWESOME |
| 23:34.03 | NightHawkTheSane | JoshBorke: hmm, i may have to give it a shot. |
| 23:34.03 | Ackis | Blizz reinstated DCes? :( |
| 23:34.25 | NightHawkTheSane | although i still doubt it'll replace baggins for me. i'm too spoiled on that. |
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| 23:38.40 | [gk]Hotphoenix | no dc'ing was pure win |
| 23:41.19 | Stanzilla | I think it just happened when you queried for 2.3 items on a live realm |
| 23:41.46 | Ackis | could be |
| 23:41.58 | CIA-7 | 03ackis * r53132 10AckisRecipeList/ (ARLLocals-deDE.lua AckisRecipeList.lua): |
| 23:41.58 | CIA-7 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 23:41.58 | CIA-7 | - Converted deDE to UTF-8 |
| 23:41.58 | CIA-7 | - Converted ARL to Unix format, thus by saving 4kb of space (haters) |
| 23:41.58 | CIA-7 | - Removed many whitespaces that were not needed, saving even MORE space!!! (more haters) |
| 23:41.59 | CIA-7 | - Fixed a bug where you couldn't do anything with the keyboard when the ARL GUI was up |
| 23:42.28 | Ackis | i have too much fun writing change log things |
| 23:42.36 | Stanzilla | lol^^ |
| 23:43.32 | [gk]Hotphoenix | Ackis you should remove all formatting entirely just to annoy the people that don't like whitespace |
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| 23:44.00 | Ackis | lmao, "removed all whitespace" |
| 23:44.13 | Ackis | the hater stuff started when someone complained that I used ; in my code lol |
| 23:44.41 | Ackis | so Speedy mentioned I could save more space by changing a function ( foo ) to function (foo) |
| 23:44.42 | Ellipsis | lulz |
| 23:45.09 | Ackis | and being the smrt person I am, I realzied that unix only uses 1 char per EOL compared to the two chars in windows |
| 23:45.27 | [gk]Hotphoenix | lol |
| 23:45.46 | Ackis | i'm just mr efficiency here today |
| 23:46.03 | Ackis | so i saved about 10kb on dl/memory usage... |
| 23:46.10 | [gk]Hotphoenix | ackis go add multiline comments on the recipes, gogo |
| 23:46.12 | Ackis | the 10 people that use my mod... that's 100kb of download space |
| 23:47.01 | Ackis | Hotphoenix, I need to fix that multi-line stuff... it looks pretty in the command line format but the gui output makes baby Jesus cry |
| 23:48.23 | Ackis | and i apologize to the channel if mentioning baby Jesus makes you cry |
| 23:49.01 | Stanzilla | as long as you don't talk about sad pandas... |
| 23:49.10 | Ackis | lol |
| 23:49.52 | Xinhuan | ok ackis |
| 23:49.56 | Xinhuan | do you want to change all the |
| 23:50.03 | Xinhuan | if (blah) then..... to |
| 23:50.06 | Xinhuan | if blah then |
| 23:50.10 | Ackis | O_o |
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| 23:50.23 | Xinhuan | that's 2 bytes per IF! |
| 23:50.35 | [gk]Hotphoenix | ackis its ok the bad people will go away soon |
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| 23:50.40 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 23:50.45 | Ackis | if user == xinhuan then while (1) |
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| 23:50.49 | Ackis | new code added |
| 23:50.55 | Ackis | pretty sweet imo |
| 23:51.00 | Xinhuan | sweet |
| 23:51.08 | Ackis | wtb fork however |
| 23:51.09 | Ackis | lol |
| 23:51.25 | Xinhuan | did you change all the whitespace to tabs too? ;p |
| 23:51.37 | JoshBorke | no need for that |
| 23:51.41 | JoshBorke | just remove all newlines really |
| 23:51.43 | [gk]Hotphoenix | remove all linebreaks tbh |
| 23:51.50 | JoshBorke | and parens |
| 23:52.00 | Ackis | lol |
| 23:52.08 | Xinhuan | rename all your variables to 2 and 3 letter abbreviations |
| 23:52.18 | Ackis | foo1 ... foo500? |
| 23:52.32 | JoshBorke | you're going to use 26^3 variables? o.O |
| 23:52.36 | JoshBorke | lua> 26^3 |
| 23:52.36 | cladbot | JoshBorke: 17576 |
| 23:52.38 | JoshBorke | lua> 26^2 |
| 23:52.38 | cladbot | JoshBorke: 676 |
| 23:52.52 | Xinhuan | and when calling a f("abc"), call it in the format f"abc" instead |
| 23:53.33 | [gk]Hotphoenix | you could do one better and just write a rude comment at the top of the code |
| 23:53.33 | JoshBorke | you dropped that |
| 23:53.38 | Ellipsis | ty JoshBorke |
| 23:54.06 | Ackis | i'm still new, I need to wait a while before I can be normal... errr rude |
| 23:54.13 | Xinhuan | and change all the ansi \123\456 stuff to the actual character ;p |
| 23:54.15 | JoshBorke | i'm not rude |
| 23:54.20 | Bejitt | if a library is using another library that i'm not embedding... should i embed that second library too? |
| 23:54.35 | Xinhuan | Bejitt: yes |
| 23:54.40 | Bejitt | kk |
| 23:54.56 | Ackis | josh i wasn't saying you were hehe |
| 23:54.57 | Xinhuan | your TOC or embeds.xml must load that |
| 23:55.10 | Xinhuan | since your embedded lib won't have a TOC if it is embedded |
| 23:55.11 | CIA-7 | 03daviesh * r53133 10AtlasLoot/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 23:55.11 | CIA-7 | AtlasLoot: |
| 23:55.11 | CIA-7 | - Rearranged options menu and made it dragable. Added an option to turn on autoquery, as it is handy for populating known safe loot tables quickly. |
| 23:55.23 | Bejitt | another thing, if i checkout w/ embeds, and i commit, it wont commit those embeds right? |
| 23:55.29 | Xinhuan | correct |
| 23:55.35 | Bejitt | oh awesome |
| 23:55.53 | CIA-7 | 03bashui * r53134 10CatPoints/ (CatDPSTest.lua test.lua): |
| 23:55.53 | CIA-7 | CatPoints: |
| 23:55.53 | CIA-7 | - Started adding unit test framework for offline testing. |
| 23:55.54 | Xinhuan | in fact you should NOT modify any of the externals |
| 23:56.01 | Bejitt | i know |
| 23:56.10 | Xinhuan | because doing so will cause you to commit to those externals directly |
| 23:56.15 | Bejitt | i didnt, i was just wondering if it'd upload those or something >_>;; |
| 23:56.18 | Bejitt | yea |
| 23:56.41 | Ackis | Xinhuan, does that mean I can modify stuff in my libs folder and then it'll commit to the library itself? |
| 23:56.44 | Bejitt | but.. looking at it now, the libs directory isnt in the svn |
| 23:56.49 | Bejitt | so it shouldnt yarrr |
| 23:56.50 | Xinhuan | i believe that is how it works, Ackis |
| 23:57.03 | Xinhuan | feel free to test it out |
| 23:57.04 | MentalPower | Ackis: of course it would be better if you set the svn:eol-style property on your files to native |
| 23:57.53 | Ackis | MentalPower, I think I did that while initially setting up the svn, it was on the how-to guide |
| 23:58.31 | MentalPower | then your line ending change had no effect |
| 23:58.41 | Ackis | :o |
| 23:58.47 | Xinhuan | (owned) |
| 23:59.01 | Ackis | i wasted two clicks of the mouse to change that |
| 23:59.07 | JoshBorke | OWNED |
| 23:59.18 | MentalPower | lol, notepad++? |
| 23:59.23 | Ackis | lol yah |
| 23:59.43 | Xinhuan | w00t another wand |
| 23:59.46 | Xinhuan | now i have 9 wands |
