IRC log for #wowace on 20071021

00:00.31CIA-1203chuanhsing * r52729 10ArcHUD2/Locale_zhTW.lua:
00:00.31CIA-12ArcHUD2:
00:00.31CIA-12- zhTW update
00:00.33ProvusIn computing, Subversion (SVN) is a version control system (VCS) initiated in 2000 by CollabNet Inc. It allows users to keep track of changes made to any type of electronic data, typically source code, web pages or design documents.
00:00.40StanzillaToadkiller: what do I have to do to make AutoBar use my cycircled skin?
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00:01.21ProvusSo basically it makes that announcement when the changelog is updated?
00:01.48NightHawkTheSan1well, you've massively mixed up cause and effect, but i suppose you're getting closer
00:02.22ProvusWhat's the cause
00:02.29NightHawkTheSan1changelogs, the zips on files, and announcements by cia are all based on commits made to subversion.
00:03.04StanzillaToadkiller: oh and why doesn't autobar let my use the trinket category?
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00:06.07BalstorThere was even a trick I read about where mages were binding their scorch spell to their mouse wheel,
00:06.17BalstorWhy does that worry me???
00:06.26Provus..so when it's submitted.
00:09.58kebinusandaily quests are bugged on my realm at least
00:10.08kebinusanthey can be done every 2 hours
00:10.18starlonheh
00:10.21kebinusanmakes headless horseman farming fun
00:12.49stavmaris there something wrong witht he latest closetgnome
00:13.42stavmarhttp://ace.pastey.net/75581
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00:14.30durcynstavmar: what language is your client?
00:14.37stavmarUS
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00:16.03durcynstavmar: works here, make sure you updated correctly - line 188 is a blank line on my svn checkout
00:16.38stavmarok TY
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00:25.56CIA-1203archarodim * r52730 10Decursive/ (9 files in 2 dirs):
00:25.56CIA-12Decursive:
00:25.56CIA-12- From now on, Decursive is dedicated to the memory of Bertrand Sense who died just a week ago and was known as Glorfindal on "Les Sentinelles" (EU server). A special menu entry has been added.
00:25.56CIA-12- Version to 2.0.4
00:26.19Bejitto.O
00:26.34Bejitti knew a Glorfindal, on Dunemaul (US)
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00:28.01NightHawkTheSan1It's probably not an uncommon name for people to use
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00:30.04CIA-1203sayclub * r52731 10BigWigs/ZulAman/ (Halazzi.lua Jan'alai.lua Malacrass.lua Zul'jin.lua):
00:30.04CIA-12.ZulAman :
00:30.04CIA-12- Updated localization koKR
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00:31.35xyuin baggins is there a way to purchase new bank slots if you have "Default bank" turned to off?
00:32.58Hjaltexyu: no. thats why you can turn default bank on from the menu :)
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00:59.50OrionshockOneSuite (for bags) > *
01:00.28HjalteOrionshock: Virtual bags > *
01:00.51ToadkillerStanzilla: did you make a custom button & add trinkets to it?
01:02.09ToadkillerStanzilla: If so then you still have to wait for the PT3 mining script to be completed.  Or add the exact trinkets you want to PeriodicTable3 as a temporary measure.
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01:02.43annuitsHi guys!
01:03.06ToadkillerStanzilla: you need to download the latest cyCircled & the latest AutoBar.
01:03.31annuitsare there any healers here?
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01:04.46annuits?
01:06.03Orionshock?
01:06.55Hjalteannuits: I've got a holy priest?
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01:07.52StanzillaToadkiller: I had the latest version of both and I just added a custom field with the trinket cat. then it did not work so I modied an existing button to show my trinkets, did not work. then I set the same field to show my heathstone and that just worked fine. so it has to be an error with the trinket categorie
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01:16.31annuithjalte do uyou raid?
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01:16.54Hjalteannuit: I used to, but now i raid on my warrior.
01:17.22annuitwell do you know any good custom Ui's i can use?
01:17.23Codayusannuit: I raid as a healer, although not a great deal in the last couple of months.
01:17.37annuitdo you use any custom UI's
01:17.56CodayusVisit wowace, grab mods.  Start with grid.  Customize to tase.  :-)
01:18.06annuiti got grid
01:18.33annuiti dont know what els to get tho
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01:19.05CodayusGrid, pitbull/aguf, sct, Clique/clic2cast, fubar, any useful sounding fubar plugins, an actionbar mod (bartender, probably), um...a dot timer like chronometer.
01:19.16CodayusWhat do you WANT?
01:19.29annuitwhat u mean what do i want?
01:19.41CodayusEveryone's tastes, needs, requirements, style is different.
01:20.13annuiton wowhead i saw one i liked some one posted but i never got to know wat it was called
01:20.28dylanm_Link to the wowhead thing?
01:20.33CodayusGrid, Clique, and a mod to track HoT refresh timers is probably all a *healer* needs.
01:20.54annuitwhats clique? never herd off it
01:20.58dylanm_If you can find it again... someone will likely recognize it.
01:21.17CodayusEverything else is just general UI stuff.  ClosetGnome to change gear sets, or some unit frames you can customize just how you want.
01:21.21annuithttp://xs319.xs.to/xs319/07385/WoWScrnShot_092107_154044.jpg that is what i wouldnt mind
01:21.38annuitdoes any one know wat it is?
01:21.56CodayusClique and click2cast are two mods that let you bind stuff like shift-left-click to specific heals, so you can click on a unit frame or a grid square and heal that person.
01:22.14dylanm_Clique is a mod by cladhaire that gives you click casting... that is to say you can configure Shift-Left Click on a unitframe for a Flash Heal on the unit... it's really useful. Whenever I'm forced to shift out of shadowform and heal that's what I use.
01:22.16Ellipsisis there any way to force Threat-1.0 to clear itself when you are stuck on the threat list?
01:22.46annuitim use to macros kinda like
01:22.55CodayusYou can heal without Clique, but why would you want to?  :-)
01:22.58annuitjust with defult CT riad up and clicking and ddoing alt 1 etc
01:23.08OrionshockEllipsis:  /rl
01:23.09annuiti might try it  out
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01:23.16annuitback to the pic what UI is it ? http://xs319.xs.to/xs319/07385/WoWScrnShot_092107_154044.jpg
01:23.23dylanm_Holy wow absolution regalia... anyway, what part of the screenshot is interesting to you?
01:23.29GnarfozEllipsis: omen has a "issue a threat clear request" option, when you're grouped and leader/Assist. dunno for locally, probably there's some function to call directly
01:23.30dylanm_We're not really... into compilations here.
01:23.35vrakannuit: that grid of boxes is likely Grid
01:23.41vrak(to the lower right)
01:23.48annuiti know that but is it a pack
01:23.52dylanm_It's better if you put things together yourself imo.
01:23.54annuitor did that person do it him self?
01:24.10vrakprobably put it together himself, yes
01:24.14annuitdam...
01:24.18dylanm_They very well might have... I can only recall the looks of a few custom UIs and it doesn't appear to be one of those.
01:24.24dylanm_You could recreate it without too much trouble.
01:24.40annuityea i jsut find it hard to pick the mods and set them out
01:24.52annuitif i new all the mods that person has and how do put them there i would get.
01:25.04Codayusannuit: Probably did it himself, could be a compilation.  Not hard.  The bars on the right on elk buff bars.  The squares are grid.  Unit frames...could be anything.  The chat is done by Prat.  eePanels for the borders, probably.
01:25.12Adysannuit, you might well just want or even prefer another mod rather than the one the person has
01:25.24Adysunitframe looks like either pitbull, or reskinned aguf
01:25.43Adysanyway what interests you is likely the mods Codayus mentionned
01:26.02CodayusProbably SCT or Parrot for the text in the middle.  The map would be...squeenix.    THe numbers in the bottom left...no clue, looks boring.  :-)
01:26.04dylanm_I just think compilations are a slippery slope... I mean look at all the Mazzle trouble. I don't want any part of that.
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01:26.15annuiti  want a mod that i can have only 1 bar on and macro it all  like how he had it i know its bartender3 but i find it hard to set up
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01:27.07annuitlike i know how to get the rows jsut i dont know how to get that black box around it
01:27.08Adysannuit, it'll be just as hard to setup if it comes from a compilation
01:27.23DraakeI have a pretty low framerate and I think it's related to pitbull, is that likely and does anyone have any suggestions for setup/alternatives?
01:27.42annuitwell im gonna try bartender3 again but how do i set the blaxk box up?
01:27.43AdysDraake: I recommend aguf wholeheartedly, having tested both
01:27.47CodayusDraake: I switched back to aguf.
01:27.51annuitand around the mini map
01:28.03DraakeI tried that, is seems almost exactly the same.
01:28.05Adysannuit: Dont take that for sure, but it might be a reskin of cyCyrcled
01:28.18AdysDraake: Maybe another addon?
01:28.20Codayusannuit: Boxes were probably done with eePanels, if I understand your question?
01:28.29kenlyricI know I asked this earlier but left before the response... CArt_QuestObjectives and _QuestInfo, are they the same thing?
01:28.29DraakeI meant feature wise, what's the difference?
01:28.51annuithmm. so hard to pick my new ui
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01:29.38Adysannuit, just download random stuff that might be interested, take 10 mins to set it up, rinse and repeat 10 times, and you got a new ui
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01:30.37annuitwats better bartender3 or bongos?
01:31.27StanzillaToadkiller: you can answer in the forums^^ going to bed now! :p
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01:33.16annuitsis perl any good healing wise?
01:36.25Gagorianannuits: Isn't that all based on what you prefer yourself?
01:36.30CodayusTo heal, you need grid and clique.  Unit frames are a personal and unrelated choice, IMHO.
01:36.43CIA-1203bayi * r52732 10beql/ (questlog.lua tracker.lua):
01:36.43CIA-12beql:
01:36.43CIA-12- Core: Removed Tracker Update workaround code
01:36.43CIA-12- Core: Added Quixote issue workaround in the QUEST_LOG_UPDATE event
01:36.43CIA-12- Core: Fixed broken features with the old workaround
01:37.58annuitsyea but i dont know wat is good lol
01:38.05annuitsim doing my UI now all by  my self
01:39.02annuitsyou know when you start a quest how it goes under your mini map how can i stop that
01:39.47kenlyricgood luck with that. I've been trying for a year to make that sit somewhere else :)
01:40.11annuitslol
01:42.08CIA-1203bayi * r52733 10beql/extra/questhistory.xml: beql: - Fixed a typo in the Quest History Frame title
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01:46.32vrakturn off the built-in auto-tracking of quests
01:49.15DraakeIs there an addon in ace that creates a grid you can align movable elements to?
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01:50.55durcynDraake: look for 'Align' on wowinterface.com
01:52.02Paradoxwould be nice if frames snapped to the grid though
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02:16.02dylanm_SetPoint for the win
02:18.19DraakeI'm trying to configure autobar, is there a way to move these buttons onto other bars like bartender bars, or a way to break it up into multiple bars?
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02:30.08CIA-1203xinhuan * r52734 10/branches/WoWEquip/ (WoWEquipData.lua localization.lua): WoWEquip: - Splitting up the data and localization - Part 2.
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02:31.28aestili run 19x12 and don't have dual core cpu, does that leave me with only fraps half size option for raid filming?
02:31.53aestilEllipsis: its time for the new bag mod test.  help?
02:32.23GnarfozXinhuan: that doesn't look right...?
02:32.43Gnarfozaestil: yup, restricted to half-size you are
02:33.37aestilGnarfoz: is there some other program option?
02:33.46aestili'm amazed that the only product that does this sort of thing is fraps.
02:34.29aestilit doesn't even appear to 'scale' the image, it seems like its just writing every other pixel or something.
02:34.36Gnarfozthere is gamecam, but it's far worse than fraps, IMHO :)
02:34.49aestilin what way is it worse?
02:34.54Gnarfozaestil: that's what the faq/docs say it does: record only half the pixels.
02:35.12Gnarfozperformance, quality, usability
02:35.36aestilso basically, i have to get a dual core cpu in a laptop, on a motherboard that i probably cant put a dual core cpu on.
02:35.59Gnarfozif you want to record at that insane resolution: guess so =)
02:36.28theoddone33hm
02:36.28Gnarfoz(also, what kind of laptop has the biggest wide-screen resolution there currently is but no dual core cpu? oO)
02:36.30aestilAntiarc: does threat properly handle righteous fury buff and improve talents.
02:36.37theoddone33wonder if I should do a mad dash from 55 - 58
02:36.51aestilone that is just slighlty older than dual core laptop computers :)
02:37.16aestiland techincally, its probably faster for wow in most circumstances, than the dual core ones that came out shortly after i purchaced this one.
02:37.29aestiljust not very good for fraps.
02:37.47aestilif i had a dual core desktop, could i use the laptop monitor as my output screen?
02:38.26Gnarfozguess not, how would you connect the two?
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02:39.05aestilmagic?
02:39.21Gnarfozalso: F:\WoW\Interface\Addons\Threat-1.0\Threat-1.0\ClassModules\Paladin.lua <-- yes, Threat is aware of RF
02:40.08CIA-1203mecdemort * r52735 10IceHUD/modules/TargetInfo.lua: IceHUD: Possible fix for nil error in TargetInfo
02:42.02Zhinjioif you want to determine if a table is empty, do you compare to {} or nil or are they equivalent?
02:42.10Zhinjioor should you check if #table == 0?
02:42.16theoddone33hm how come quartz tells me I've got 400ms latency when I cast, but the fubar performance thing says 60-70ms all the time?
02:42.22Nargiddleyif next(table) then <table is non empty> end
02:42.43Nargiddley#table only works for integer indexed tables
02:43.04Orionshockwhat does next(t) to?
02:43.18Nargiddleygets the next key from the table, its the basis for pairs
02:43.18Zhinjioreturns the next key
02:43.33Zhinjioso ... hmm. ok. I'll give that a shot.
02:45.20Nargiddleyhm actually, next(t) == nil should be the test to catch false being the only key
02:48.14Zhinjiook.
02:48.16CIA-1203babu 07beta * r52736 10TrainingWheels/TrainingWheels/ (7 files in 2 dirs):
02:48.16CIA-12TrainingWheels:
02:48.16CIA-12- Merging trunk changes to beta branch.
02:48.30Zhinjioif not next( table ) then blah end
02:48.33Zhinjiowasn't quite working.
02:50.54Gnarfoztheoddone33: a fresh call to get the current latency each time a cast bar is created vs. averaged latency? :)
02:51.16theoddone33yeah but I'd think my average latency should be a lot higher
02:51.21theoddone33if quartz is reporting 400ms a lot
02:51.23Zhinjiohmm. still no love. It looks like it properly removes a few table entries, and then I get "attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)
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02:51.43Nargiddleywhat are you trying to do ?
02:52.05ZhinjioI have a dynamiocally generated ace options table 3 layers deep
02:52.11ZhinjioI populate it with all my guild members
02:52.21Zhinjioand once I'm done populating it, I want to remove empty subtrees
02:52.38Zhinjioso the tree is <rank> -> <class> -> <alpha>
02:52.53CIA-12tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r647 10/trunk/TourGuide/ (4 files in 2 dirs): TourGuide - I'm so excited, I've got Felwood!
02:52.57Zhinjiothe tree is sparsely populated, and I want to prune empty branches.
02:53.03Zhinjiolemme pastey that section
02:53.43Zhinjiohttp://pastey.net/75588
02:54.21Zhinjiothe third layer has 5 groupings of alphabetical . A-C, D-F, G-L, M-R, S-Z
02:54.23Nargiddleyare all your tables build up using tinsert ?
02:54.27Zhinjio(for refefrence)
02:54.28Zhinjioyes
02:54.37Nargiddleythen #table == 0 is good enough
02:54.53Zhinjioah, good point. lemme try that.
02:55.00Nargiddleythe problem you're running into
02:55.05Nargiddleywont be fixed by that
02:55.13Nargiddleyyou have a table, 5 entries
02:55.24Nargiddleyyou loop 1-5, removing 3 cause its empty
02:55.26Zhinjiooh, I seeit.
02:55.29Zhinjioyeah
02:55.40Nargiddley4 and 5 get moved down, so when you hit 5 it doesnt exist
02:55.44Zhinjioonce I remove any entry, the 5th index is a bad ... yeah
02:55.50Zhinjiointeresting.
02:56.05Xinhuaneither use ipairs()
02:56.12Nargiddleywill have the same problem
02:56.34ZhinjioI need a more intelligent way to traverse.
02:56.41Xinhuanor use a for i = 1, n do id you tdelete, do a (i = i-1) loop
02:56.47Xinhuanif
02:56.47Nargiddleyloop backwards
02:56.54Xinhuanor that
02:56.56Nargiddleyfor i = #table, 1, -1
02:56.57Xinhuanloop backwards from 5 to 1
02:57.06Zhinjioyeah.
02:57.14Zhinjiothats actually pretty darn easy to change too.
02:57.39Xinhuanwhy do you need to prune the empty ones though?
02:57.53Zhinjiobecause I'm really anal and hate not being neat.
02:58.02Xinhuanyou end up recreating them later if you need them
02:58.09Xinhuancan just leave them empty
02:58.44Zhinjiothe funny part is this bit of code, that options table is only ever used by the guild leader, and most likely only once or twice when first setting up stuff for the guild, and then never used again.
02:58.45Nargiddleyor create them on demand as you fill them
02:58.57Zhinjioalot of this is me learning how to do stuff along the way.
02:59.04Xinhuanwhat addon is this?
02:59.11ZhinjioSuicideKingsGeo
02:59.18Xinhuanah a dkp thing?
02:59.21Zhinjioyeah
02:59.55Xinhuani never understood how suicideking dkp works
02:59.58Xinhuancan you explain? heh
03:00.02Zhinjiotoo many people were asking for features that the old code I took over wouldn't support. Plus, I wanted to learn more. Plus, I wanted to move to a framework instead of the way it was written.
03:00.11Zhinjiosure.
03:00.13NightHawkTheSan1Xinhuan: i believe there's a description on wowwiki
03:00.21Zhinjioor that.
03:00.23Zhinjioheh
03:00.31Zhinjioif you have questions after reading that, just msg me.
03:00.37Zhinjioand I'll clear anything else up.
03:00.43Xinhuanreally? heh
03:00.52NightHawkTheSan1it's a fairly straightforward system, though
03:01.01ZhinjioI like it alot.
03:01.20NightHawkTheSan1Yeah, i've not used it, but it does look rather nice
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03:01.45ZhinjioI like its simplicity more than anything else.
03:01.53NightHawkTheSan1yea
03:01.53Zhinjiono complex loot tables to manage, values to set, blah blah blah.
03:02.14Zhinjioand I think this rewrite will address even more of the previous complaints about it
03:02.17Xinhuanah i just read it
03:02.20Xinhuansounds interesting
03:02.21Zhinjioand then I can take over the world.
03:02.22Zhinjiohahahaha.,
03:02.35NightHawkTheSan1what complaints is your rewrite addressing?
03:02.55Ellipsisping aestil
03:03.14Zhinjio1) lingering communications bugs
03:03.23Zhinjio2) security for who can sync (this is probably the biggest one)
03:03.38Zhinjio3) bid filtering by class, role, and armor type
03:04.06Xinhuanthe system seems easy enough to be able to be done by hand manually
03:04.11Zhinjioand a slew of other "little" improvements I thought of along the way
03:04.33ZhinjioXinhuan, it is actually pretty hard to ... for one reason:
03:04.59Zhinjioif you have a main raiding list of 50 people... and only 10 are present, only the people who are PRESENT actually move through the list when someone suicides.
03:05.11Zhinjiomaintaining the by hand is kind of a nightmare
03:05.17Zhinjios/the/that/
03:05.18Xinhuanso you only need to record down a list of people who last suicided
03:05.34Zhinjioand who was present
03:05.38Xinhuanso lets say i raid on thursday, player X, P, Q and then R suicided
03:05.45Xinhuanso i just record X, P, Q, R in that order
03:05.49Xinhuanand when i update that list
03:05.53Zhinjioand its especially fun if you have two groups raiding at the same time using the same list.
03:05.56Xinhuani move those 4 down to the bottom in that order
03:06.06Zhinjiothey don't move to the bottom
03:06.06Xinhuanhow is that difficult?
03:06.18Xinhuanthey dont? the wiki page says they move to the bottom
03:06.28aestil<PROTECTED>
03:06.32aestilwhat mod is it?
03:06.33Zhinjiothey move to the bottom of the list of people who were present.
03:06.44Zhinjioso for simplicity, lets say we have a list of 5 people.
03:06.47Zhinjiopositions 1-5
03:06.52Zhinjiotwo people are present. 2 and 4
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03:07.02Zhinjioif 2 suicides, 2 goes to FOUR, not 5
03:07.08Zhinjioand 4 bubbles up to TWO
03:07.19Xinhuanso 12345 becomes 13425?
03:07.20Zhinjiobecause only those 2 people are present in the list of 5
03:07.32Zhinjio12345 becomes 14325
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03:07.47Xinhuani see, that's not the description given on wowwiki
03:07.53Xinhuanis that a change your guild made?
03:07.58Zhinjionope.
03:08.11ToadkillerSo in the 25 man I suicide on some good stuff then hop on a carefully chosen 10 man later & zip back to the top?
03:08.18Xinhuanwhat toad said
03:08.35Zhinjioyou can maintain different lists for 10 mans and 25 mans if you want
03:08.37Xinhuanthe guy on the last can hop up more than 20+ ranks at a go
03:08.45Zhinjiothats completely up to the guild leaders/guild
03:09.05Zhinjioalot of guilds do that, actually.
03:09.06Xinhuanwell this doesn't seem fair to the people that happen to miss a single raid due to irl stuff
03:09.11Zhinjiothey'll maintain a different list for each dungeon
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03:09.27Zhinjioactually, it is. if you aren't present: you don't move in the list. your position is maintained.
03:09.37Zhinjioif you save up your suicide for along time, and get to position 1
03:09.43Zhinjioand then stop raiding for a month
03:09.45ToadkillerOk so different scenario, i Suicide on some good stuff then join the b team for some crappy instance & hop back to the top...
03:09.49Zhinjiowhen you come back, you're still at position 1
03:09.54CodayusXinhuan: Just tabbed in, but if I'm following the topic...it is very fair in a sense.  If you aren't in a raid, your position will NEVER change - which can be good or bad.
03:10.01Zhinjioyes
03:10.05Zhinjiocorrect Codayus
03:10.24Xinhuansee, the problem is this, lets say you have 50 people on the list. you happen to be on a 10-man where the rank 1 guy is in the raid, then the rest are rank 20 and below
03:10.24CodayusIn other DKP systems, you can come back from a month tofind your now at the top of your class...or the bottom, depending on the system, and the vagaries of drops.
03:10.27Xinhuanso the rank 1 guy suicides
03:10.31Xinhuanthe rank 20 guy becomes #1
03:10.41Xinhuanthat sounds slightly silly to me
03:10.43Zhinjiothats correct Xhinhuan
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03:11.05Zhinjiothe real fun stuff happens when two groups are raiding at the same time and using the same list.
03:11.11Xinhuanthat's just a personal opinion of mine though
03:11.15Zhinjiothey are effectively independent
03:11.22Xinhuani will have no idea how well it would work out
03:11.23NightHawkTheSan1I don't think anyone's arguing that it's a perfect system
03:11.25Zhinjioeach maintaining their list of 10 "actives" who can move.
03:11.26NightHawkTheSan1nothing is
03:11.34Zhinjioheh, yeah, true dat.
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03:11.46CodayusIt tends to work better if your roster is close to the raid size.  If you've got 30 raiders and a 25 man raid, it makes sense.
03:11.46ToadkillerWell its not a system for me.  Toadkiller prefers cronyism and being the premier healing druid with automatic first dibs on druidy heal stuff
03:12.21Xinhuando you raid karazhan?
03:12.25Xinhuani assume you do
03:12.26Zhinjiome?
03:12.26Xinhuanlol
03:12.27Zhinjioyes
03:12.36Xinhuanhow many SK tables do you have for karazhan
03:12.39Zhinjiowe run two groups a week, on ehte same nights
03:12.41Xinhuanone for normal loot, onr for T4?
03:12.43CodayusSpeaking of which, I wonder what most guilds are doing for ZA...
03:12.44ToadkillerNot anymore just ssc & eye till we attune for BT & Hyjal
03:12.46Zhinjiojust 1
03:13.06Zhinjioif a tier item drops, only those classes can bid'
03:13.08CodayusWe just /random in Kara, but we run zero sum DKP in SSC/TK.  So, logical.y...um...
03:13.11Xinhuandoes T4 class eligibility affect the way the system works?
03:13.11Zhinjiothats handled manually
03:13.25ToadkillerWe just ran 1-3 10 mans & then dropped down to just 1 10 man with some alts
03:13.38XinhuanCodayus, i do that with my guild ;p
03:13.43Zhinjioin the current old code, it has to be handled manually. with the rewrite, the master looter will be able to selcet which classes can bid, and it will only accept those classes.
03:14.10CodayusWe rank SK in ZG a long LONG time ago.  Kinda fun...
03:14.30Xinhuanso the addon will automatically decide who wins right?
03:14.35Zhinjioyes.
03:14.37Xinhuanand commit the change to the SK tables?
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03:14.41Zhinjiocorrect
03:14.45Xinhuanyou'll probably want an "undo feature"
03:14.49Zhinjiothere is one
03:14.59Codayuss/rank/ran
03:15.02Zhinjioin the current code.
03:15.11Zhinjioit maintains the last, I believe, 10 changes to the lists
03:15.19Zhinjiohowever, I don't believe it works.
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03:15.25Xinhuansince errors can occur, etc
03:15.25Zhinjiothe rewrite will also address this.
03:16.34Xinhuanwhat do you do with items that nobody wants?
03:16.58Zhinjioif noone bids, it gives a message indicating to DE the item, and the ML sends it to the DE toon in the raid.
03:17.01Zhinjiooooooo
03:17.29Zhinjiothat'd be an interesting improvement. assigning the DE toon so it directs the looter to take the right action
03:17.30Xinhuanwould you not give it to someone who might use it, the "kinda want it, but don't want to suicide" person?
03:17.34ToadkillerOn the other hand BLizzard fixed many of the old loot flaws with specific class drops (except for the part where they totally screwed druids by lumping us in with warriors  &priests).  So even a strange system like SK is not too bad.  Stuff drops fast & furious in the 10 mans & even the 25 mans don't take too long to get everyone their first crack at an armor slot.
03:17.50Xinhuankind of like "i'm a restor spec healer, but that dps item dropped that nobody wants"
03:18.03CodayusHaving off spec gear mostly drop from trash was great.
03:18.05CodayusTokens are good.
03:18.06Zhinjiowell, thats up the rules of the guild. our guild requires that you suicide.
03:18.13Xinhuanah
03:18.13CodayusAnd the new bonus damage on heal gear is nice...
03:18.17Zhinjioothers... if noone bids, they ask if anyone wants it, etc.
03:18.25CodayusLoot now >>> the old ZG days
03:18.35Xinhuani still don't like the current token system
03:18.49Xinhuanyou can still get unlucky and get streaks of your class token not dropping
03:19.03XinhuanAQ40 had the best system since every week is gauranteed to have 2 tokens, and very class covered
03:19.05ToadkillerOur raid only de if nobody wants it & we cant force someone to take it against their will because we already forced it on them b4
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03:19.06CIA-12- Couldn't branch properly. Trying again T_T.
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03:19.23Xinhuanevery*
03:19.23Zhinjioits been nice for our runs too, we get a new person in the group every once in awhile, and the rest of the groups is well geared up. they can stay at the bottom of the list and keep suiciding. if noone else bids (because everyone already has stuff), it doesn't matter that they are at the bottom if they're the only bidder: they still win
03:19.49Xinhuanwell that happens exactly the same with with zero-sum dkp guilds
03:20.06Xinhuanthey join the guild, pick up lots of gear, realize they won't reach the top unless they hoard
03:20.10Xinhuanso they just pick up everything
03:20.11Zhinjiobefore I found this (and took it over), I used 0sum systems.
03:20.13Zhinjioby preference
03:20.57Zhinjiook, trying out that reverse looping code now...
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03:21.02CIA-12- Branching beta to babu branch for me to develop changes until they're ready for beta.
03:21.42ToadkillerMmm we use a need / greed system.  Need if its an ug for your spec, greed if it is offspec.  Need goes by priority.  Greed just randoms amongst the greeders.  New people thus get priority over greeders & gear up quickly.
03:22.27Zhinjiooh that is just awesome. it worked!
03:22.37ZhinjioThanks Nargiddley and Xinhuan!
03:22.51Zhinjionicely pruned and neat tree.
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03:24.45CIA-12- Not complete, probably will not run.
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03:28.34Xinhuanhmm i'm bored
03:28.36Xinhuanok not really
03:30.14Xinhuanits like the
03:30.23Xinhuan"i have this code i'm supposed to update"
03:30.33Xinhuan"but its tedious and i don't really want to"
03:30.38Xinhuan"but its really easy"
03:30.47Xinhuan"but its freaking tedious and i don't really want to do it, so i'm bored"
03:30.52NightHawkTheSan1Xinhuan: yeah, i've got half-dozenish projects that are exactly like that
03:30.55Xinhuan-- procastination at work
03:31.18NightHawkTheSan1"This is a really easy script/program to write, but it's just so tedius, meh.. i'll do it later."
03:31.50Xinhuansee i wrote my table such that it has both data and strings together
03:31.57Xinhuannow i need to localize those damn strings
03:32.06Xinhuanso i have to strip out the table of some 300 strings one by one
03:32.21Xinhuanlike replace "abc" with L["abc"]
03:32.27Xinhuanand create a table up there with that entry
03:32.38Xinhuanyou can't do it automatically
03:32.46ZhinjioFOr that very reason, I'm glad I discovered the localization stuff early on in my LUA travels.
03:33.29Xinhuanso this is really easy, like 3 strings per min
03:33.33Xinhuanbut with 300 of those strings...
03:33.40Xinhuan1 hour of boredom
03:33.59NightHawkTheSan1wait, why can't you script that?
03:34.12NightHawkTheSan1or rather, i guess i mean, do a find/replace?
03:34.21WobinXinhuan: sar?
03:34.37WobinYou can do that in vim
03:34.38Xinhuanbecause my data contains strings that i don't want to localize
03:34.51Xinhuansuch as "Interface\\Icons\\etc"
03:35.00Xinhuanand strings that i want to localize
03:35.02WobinBut they number less than the number of ones you do?
03:35.08Xinhuanthey are equal in number
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03:35.13Wobinoh
03:35.15Xinhuansince each is paired
03:35.21Wobinwell you can still use sar
03:35.27Wobinjust ignore any that have \\
03:35.33Xinhuanone is text to be displayed, one is icon to display -- and the icon string may not be present
03:35.42Wobinregexp ftw
03:35.44Xinhuanbecause an entry may not have an icon
03:35.50NightHawkTheSan1Yea, regex ftw. :P
03:36.16Xinhuanoh well
03:36.36Xinhuanwell, i still need to create that entry in the localization table
03:36.46Xinhuanso you still have to cut and paste each of the 300 strings to that table
03:36.53Wobinnope
03:36.54NightHawkTheSan1you could script that pretty easy
03:36.58Xinhuanno?
03:37.04Wobinvim can dump the strings it matches at the top/bottom
03:37.16Xinhuanah, so you're saying to run a script on the lua file itself
03:37.33Wobinwell for my suggestion it was more of a single command
03:37.35NightHawkTheSan1well, i wasn't aware vim did that
03:37.39Wobinlemme see what I can find
03:38.41NightHawkTheSan1but barring using vim, yeah, it'd be a relatively easy perl script to just grep through, doing substitution with a regex and then dumping the strings into another file, or the end of the file, or wherever.
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03:40.30Wobin:g/^Error:/ copy $ | s /Error/copy of the error/
03:40.43aestilif i'm gonnna level a shaman enhancement, should what are th efirst five pts spent?  5% more mana or block 5% more and block 25% more dmg?
03:42.05Xinhuanneither, hardcore it up and tell people "i lvled with 0/0/0"
03:42.07Wobinor in your case... :g/"[^\]":/ copy $ | s /("[^\]")/L["\1"]/
03:42.10Wobinmaybe
03:42.13Wobinor something like that
03:42.39Xinhuani think its a bit more complicated than that wobin ;p
03:42.43Wobinhttp://www.geocities.com/volontir/#global%20search
03:42.44Xinhuanyou see, my icon paths
03:42.48WobinXinhuan: possibly
03:42.52Wobinbut it's achievable
03:42.52Xinhuanthat i put in my data
03:42.53NightHawkTheSan1aestil: pick up 5% mana
03:42.59Xinhuandoesn't include the Interface\\Icons\\ part
03:43.06NightHawkTheSan1you won't put on a shield after hitting level 20 anyway
03:43.07Xinhuanso its just purely the filename
03:43.21NightHawkTheSan1(well, unless you spec out of enh, but i digress)
03:43.23Xinhuan"INV_Misc_Gem_AzureDraenite_02"
03:43.33Wobinbetter then to use a script
03:43.41aestiland then 5% crit.
03:43.43Wobinand match on "INV or "MAGIC or something
03:43.50Xinhuanand the filenames can be just about anything
03:43.55aestilis imp Lightening shield worth ti?  seems like the spell is terrible unimproved.
03:44.03Xinhuanwhich can begin with ABILITY_, SPELL_, INV_, etc
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03:44.25Xinhuani think gettnig a script to do this automatically will prob take as long as doing it manually lol
03:45.07Xinhuan"Spell_Fire_SealOfFire"
03:45.18NightHawkTheSan1aestil: *shrug* it's not a bad talent. Lightning Shield is actually fairly efficiant damage/mana if you're getting hit enough to use it up.
03:45.36NightHawkTheSan1aestil: but it's  also not a spectacular must-have talent either. Personally, I'd probably skip it
03:46.10Korbenhey all
03:46.15Korbeni have a question
03:46.37Korbenhow those the ui scal thing work
03:47.02aestilNightHawkTheSan1: after five talents to crit, and 2 in imp earth strenght totem, how do i get down to the next tier?
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03:48.08NightHawkTheSan1aestil: 1 point in 2h maces/axes and i like 2 points in imp. ghost wolf.
03:48.15NightHawkTheSan11s ghost wolf is teh sex.
03:49.36starlonHow long does it usually take for an SVN account to be approved?
03:49.48ulicdepends on how busy the admin is
03:49.57ulicI caught him on vacation took me over a week :P
03:50.05starlonouch
03:50.07aestili don't really plan on pvp much, but i suppose you're right.
03:50.25NightHawkTheSan1I found it handy just in general
03:51.12aestil2h axes and maces... thats coming just for free in 2.3?
03:51.28NightHawkTheSan1yeah
03:51.43NightHawkTheSan1at which point the talent that replaces it will be worth picking up
03:51.55NightHawkTheSan1and until 2.3 it's worth having
03:53.04WobinXinhuan: do one for underscore
03:53.17WobinI very much doubt you'll try to localise a string with an underscore in it
03:53.31Wobinand those you do, you can spot change
03:53.44aestilNightHawkTheSan1: what is replacing it?
03:54.10Xinhuanthat would probably work
03:55.06NightHawkTheSan1aestil: Shamanistic Focus, reduces the mana cost of your next shock by 60% after a crit.
03:55.17GnarfozXinhuan: your 52734 commit earlier looks like it has a wrong dir layout for /branches/ (i.e. no branch name)
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03:55.17Wobinso perhaps... :g/"[^_]":/ copy $ | s /("[^_]")/L["\1"]/
03:55.39XinhuanGnarfoz: when i created that folder, i did not realise the folder has to be 2 layers deep
03:55.43Xinhuani considered it unnecessary
03:56.09Xinhuani.e /branches/wowequip/xinhuan as opposed to /branches/wowequip directly
03:56.17Gnarfozyeah I don't know if it's required or anything, I just noticed the absence of the orange-coloured branch name in the CIA spam =)
03:56.32Xinhuancia couldn't parse the extra level for the orange text
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03:56.35CIA-12-Added Hot Apple Cider to cooking (new Christmas cooking recipe)
03:56.45aestilwow.
03:56.58aestilNightHawkTheSan1: rockbiter > flametongue?
03:57.01Xinhuannot that it really matters since i dont think there is even a standard for it
03:57.12Xinhuanon wowace svn
03:57.12NightHawkTheSan1aestil: generally yes
03:57.29NightHawkTheSan1they probably come out close to the same that early, though *shrug*
03:57.44NightHawkTheSan1and of course, once you get it, wf > *
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04:08.52CIA-12- Moved to base add-on so that the default settings are always available.
04:09.08Zhinjioquick question. does the value of "this" always take on the value of the last assignment or object creation or what?
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04:10.49Nargiddleyit has no meaning in straight lua, its a blizzard thing. its the frame/object that the current event handler is for
04:11.06Zhinjioah.
04:11.56Nargiddleywhich is also passed as the first arg to the events function, the parameter is what you should be using
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04:32.53aestilhe had to come to irc, to ask, if xperl unit frames is what he wants? how are we supposed to know that what he wants is xperl unit frams?
04:33.25Gnarfozhappens
04:33.47Gnarfoznow to waste 50gigs of bw
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04:42.07CIA-12- Fixed the Config.xml file to contain the new (instead of old) contents.
04:45.01CIA-1203funkydude * r52752 10BasicComboPoints/BasicComboPoints.lua:
04:45.01CIA-12BasicComboPoints:
04:45.01CIA-12- works for druids now also :)
04:45.01CIA-12- better way of hiding 0 CP
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04:48.38HjalteHaha. My human warrior on the PTR is missing his left leg :P
04:48.46Godzmacklul
04:53.02infusewhat are some good druid mods
04:53.24Orionshockinfuse: BT3, Clique, and a good raid frame
04:55.38NightHawkTheSan1a gear set mod like itemrack or closetgnome is good too
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05:03.48Toadkillerif u heal u should get grid
05:04.02Toadkiller+ a bunch of grid modules
05:04.14ToadkillerO h yeah and druidstats
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05:04.49Orionshockgrid ...
05:04.59Orionshockx-perl's raid frames are better IMHO
05:05.52Toadkillerdo they automatically cluster together?
05:06.02Orionshockno
05:06.09Orionshock& personaly i don't want em to
05:06.22ToadkillerI do.  I dont want to screw with layout
05:06.52ToadkillerI would reccomend pitbull for untiframes
05:07.40ToadkillerIt seems to see more development than the other ace unitframes
05:07.47Zhinjioso if you were to display an arbitrary number of users in a text list in a GUI somehow, what do you think is simplest?
05:08.09Zhinjiorealistically, it will be a list of maybe 10 toons or so. But theoretically: arbitrary number
05:08.40ToadkillerUse Tablet?
05:09.11ZhinjioI've not used that lib yet. lemme look it up.
05:09.42ToadkillerOr use waterfall or something like it since it has scrolling for your edge case that is too big
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05:10.13ToadkillerYou can feed it a custom list that is not an aceoptions list as well.
05:11.06Zhinjioand it displays how? LIke a dropdown or something?
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05:11.30Nargiddleywaterfall is not designed for displaying things, al atll
05:11.36starlonIs the embeds.xml file something that the scripts put together, or do I maintain that?
05:11.36Nargiddley*at all
05:11.36CIA-1203ananhaid * r52753 10BigWigs/ (15 files in 6 dirs):
05:11.36CIA-12BigWigs:
05:11.36CIA-12- zhCN updated
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05:12.12CIA-12LittleWigs:
05:12.12CIA-12- zhCN updated
05:12.13Zhinjiomy impression was waterfall was for turning aceoptions config tables into a screen (non-menu) based configurator
05:12.29CIA-1203kemayo * r52755 10AuldLangSyne/Note/ (Note.lua enUS.lua):
05:12.29CIA-12AuldLangSyne:
05:12.29CIA-12-Note: Put "edit note" in the right-click menu for players.
05:12.49Nargiddleydoesnt have to come from an aceoptions table, but yeah
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05:13.04ZhinjioI don't see tablet documented on wowace.
05:13.09ZhinjioI guess I'll dig into its code.
05:13.13Nargiddleytablet is for tooltip type displays with tabular like data
05:13.26KemayoZhinjio: http://wowace.com/wiki/Tablet-2.0
05:14.03Zhinjioaha.
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05:14.07KemayoIt doesn't take all that much work to just use a ScrollingMessageFrame, mind.
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05:14.17Bejittlooking for it in the API Doc category? :P
05:14.25KemayoIf, as you said, it's a plain text list.
05:14.32Zhinjioso you can make a little anchored tootip when you hover over some element or something
05:14.40Orionshocktablet is good for information display, has very few "config" methods
05:15.06Zhinjioyeah, I don't have to select anything or have any "execute" methods on the list. just displayu
05:15.14KemayoIf you want a cute anchored tooltip it might be easist to just use GameTooltip.
05:15.33Funkeh`GameTooltip ftw
05:15.57Zhinjiocan you override the anchoring of the gametooltip and have it display at the cursor?
05:16.31Funkeh`um
05:16.34Funkeh`not sure actually
05:16.58Funkeh`I think you can but don't take my word for it
05:17.03ZhinjioI think you must be able to ... since things like weapon/item displays do.
05:17.11Zhinjiounless thats a different "global" tooltip
05:17.50KemayoGameTooltip:SetAnchor(frame, "ANCHOR_TOPRIGHT", x, y)
05:17.55Kemayohttp://wowwiki.com/API_GameTooltip_SetOwner
05:19.39Kemayo(Specifically, ANCHOR_CURSOR.)
05:25.24Zhinjioso if I'm understanding this right, I could have a tablet:open() in an OnEnter event for some frame (button, whatever), and the close() for OnLeave
05:25.33Zhinjiosimulating a tooltip type disply
05:26.16KemayoYup.
05:26.23Zhinjiothat would work.
05:26.37ZhinjioScrollingMessageFrames are frightening, Kemayo
05:26.39Zhinjioheh
05:26.57Mudkipzgah
05:27.00KemayoHere, a totally lua one: http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/LodWhat/core.lua :D
05:27.04Mudkipzwhat's the command to remove your vhost ??
05:27.10OrionshockSMF - is that what FCF is based on?
05:28.18Zhinjioright... skeeeery
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05:39.44NightHawkTheSan1"Okay people, I'm starting to develop some serious abandonment issues here!"
05:43.25Mudkipz?
05:43.45NightHawkTheSan1sg:a
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05:45.17ToadkillerYour mods are abandoned?
05:45.42Borked|Raider"Of course, the ["data"] sub-table would only show up as "table: XXXXXXXX" (a reference to a table) "-> is there a way to look up that table with ref xxxxx?
05:45.57Nargiddleynope
05:46.00Borked|Raideroki
05:49.07Orionshockdosn't it mean that that it's a function not an actual table?
05:49.17Nargiddleyno
05:49.58Nargiddleytostring(table) -> "table: XXXXXXXX" tostring(function) -> "function: XXXXXXXX"
05:52.15ZhinjioCan y'all point me to an addon that uses tablet so I can see some examples?
05:52.57Orionshockfubar
05:53.29Orionshockfubar_*
05:53.54Orionshockmine has a really simple one in it
05:53.59Orionshock_ReportAFK
05:54.12NightHawkTheSan1"What is it with you and ascended women?"
05:55.39ToadkillerMememe:  Ok Alex, final answer: "What is Stargate SG1?"
05:56.37NightHawkTheSan1ooh, so close, and yet so far.
05:57.02Nargiddleywrong galaxy for one
05:57.05OrionshockSGA
05:57.22ToadkillerAscended chicks in Atlantis too?
05:57.32NightHawkTheSan1quite a few
05:57.44ToadkillerDont recall but I missed last year...
05:57.57NightHawkTheSan1theres an entire village in s2, and a chick in s1.
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05:58.40Nargiddleyi'm still back in s6 sg1
05:59.43ToadkillerTHat the one with Farscape people?
05:59.53Funkeh`wow
06:00.00NightHawkTheSan1no, ben browder and claudia black don't show up until s9 of sg1
06:00.02Nargiddleythats 9 i thiknk, this is the one with jonas
06:00.05Funkeh`I've been throuigh all 10 seasons too many times to mention :x
06:00.16ToadkillerDamn, right its been on for quite some time now
06:00.28ToadkillerNever cared for Jonas
06:00.35NightHawkTheSan1I liked jonas, actually
06:00.47Funkeh`me too
06:01.08ToadkillerI miss Farscape
06:01.17NightHawkTheSan1yeah :(
06:01.19Funkeh`I hated how they ended the episode with hes uni lecturer, made him crazy, would have been better if there actually was a resistance
06:01.35NightHawkTheSan1I should rewatch farscape at some point. I should also see if i can download some nice rips
06:01.52Toadkiller<PROTECTED>
06:02.04ToadkillerSame with battlestar
06:02.06Nargiddleyi'll probably hit s7 tomorrow at this rate
06:02.17Toadkillerdvds nar?
06:02.24Nargiddleyyeah
06:02.33NightHawkTheSan1seven is good. eight... is okay.
06:02.47Nargiddleystill havent seen 10, working my way up to it
06:02.50ToadkillerMmm, a buddy of mines wife has Chinese connections...  but damn the quality is not here sometimes
06:03.01Toadkiller*there
06:03.08NightHawkTheSan19 and 10 are real hit and miss. The individual episode are pretty good, but the arc story is just terrible. :\
06:03.22ToadkillerTHe Orai?
06:03.31NightHawkTheSan1I think it's "Ori", but yes.
06:03.53Funkeh`WHen the fuck ar ethey releaseing the sg1 movie
06:03.55ToadkillerTHey were kinda badass but yeah the resolution seemed inferior
06:04.00Funkeh`I hope they give the Ori a proper ending
06:04.10NightHawkTheSan1there was NO resolution. :P the series just stopped.
06:04.32ToadkillerIt was a really nice concept though.
06:04.47kebinusanI was a bit annoyed scifi canceled the dresden files
06:04.48NightHawkTheSan1Eh, it had its moments, but it was pretty belabored.
06:04.59NightHawkTheSan1Wait, they cancelled dresden files? dammit!
06:05.00kebinusanbut kept who wants to be a super hero and the other crap
06:05.13ToadkillerWhy isnt scifi running battlestar reruns right now.  I have a whole season to catch up on damit
06:05.13kebinusanNightHawk, yeah
06:05.17NightHawkTheSan1bah, that was good. :(
06:05.55kebinusanYeah it had charm
06:06.17Toadkillermmm never saw that.  Not some mystical bs was it?
06:07.09ToadkillerMy stomach churns each time my tivo sits there watching ghost hunters or some crap
06:07.29ToadkillerIts worse than when it watches infomercials
06:07.32kebinusanhehe
06:09.03ToadkillerAny one watching bionic woman?
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06:09.23Finyes
06:09.27Finlove it
06:09.35ToadkillerYEah esp having KAra THrace in it
06:09.42Finshe gives me the horn
06:09.49Finno wait
06:09.53ToadkillerTotally & shes damn hot in that
06:10.02Finshe only gives me the semihorn
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06:10.12Fina biiiit of a cliche, but I can deal with that
06:10.23ToadkillerMan true horn was the Ships Avatar in Andromeda
06:10.34Finoh lordy lordy
06:10.42Finexcuse me, I shall be back in a second
06:10.58Toadkillerlol make sure u have kleenex handy!
06:11.03Finjust off for a quick five knuckle shuffle
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06:16.13starlonIs the embeds.xml file something that the wowace scripts put together, or do I maintain that?
06:16.31NightHawkTheSan1you need to maintain that
06:17.23starlonIt's edited for no externals, so wasn't sure
06:18.09NightHawkTheSan1yeah, i believe the zip script edits the file for the no-external builds
06:18.31CIA-1203next96 * r52756 10SimpleCombatLog/locales/localization-koKR.lua:
06:18.31CIA-12SimpleCombatLog:
06:18.31CIA-12- Update locale koKR
06:22.04Orionshockcurse down?
06:26.26Diaoyay
06:26.31Diaopanzar'thar finally dropped off nightbane
06:26.35Diaofinally an upgrade to my jadeskull
06:30.11CIA-1203next96 * r52757 10Skillet/Locale/Locale-koKR.lua:
06:30.11CIA-12Skillet:
06:30.11CIA-12- Update locale koKR
06:30.29Borked|Raiderhow is it posible to draw graphs in wow/lua? thinking of recount here. is it alot of dots combined?
06:30.44Orionshock?
06:30.48the-golemlol
06:30.55OrionshockWIM built on Dongle?
06:31.10the-golemBorked|Raider: no, i very much doubt it
06:31.39Borked|Raideri just never seen anything like that in the wow UI API that should make it posible to draw a graph
06:31.50CIA-1203nargiddley 07Alpha * r52758 10Ace3/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
06:31.50CIA-12Ace3 - AceGUI: Fix dropdowns text not showing when first created
06:31.50CIA-12AceConfigDialog: type = 'select' calls set/get functions
06:31.53the-golemdepending on if WoWLua can use regular Lua modules, it might be Lua-GD
06:32.00the-golemor sumpin
06:32.11NightHawkTheSan1you could look at the code and see? :P
06:32.15Borked|Raider:)
06:32.17Borked|Raideri could
06:32.25Borked|Raiderbut then i wouldnt get the debate out of it!
06:32.35NightHawkTheSan1what's to debate?
06:32.43the-golemits definately lua based
06:32.59Borked|Raiderdont think you can load modues for use in wow the-golem, maybe
06:34.15the-golemi dont see why not
06:34.24the-golemexcept for if they dont use *standard* lua
06:35.01Borked|Raiderwell, aint the GUI avalible limeted to what blizzard alow us?
06:35.14chexsumhttp://www.wowwiki.com/API_Texture_SetTexCoord
06:35.52CIA-1203babu 07babu * r52759 10TrainingWheels/TrainingWheels/TrainingWheels.lua:
06:35.52CIA-12TrainingWheels:
06:35.52CIA-12- Refactored the code a bit. Still got some left to do.
06:36.19chexsumor http://www.wowwiki.com/SetTexCoord_Transformations
06:36.44the-golemnifty
06:36.59the-golem*sigh*
06:37.14the-golemeePanels needs a way to dynamically add non-image borders
06:37.30the-golemi havent tred eePanels2 tho :-/
06:37.34ProvusWhat eepanels need is a way to change the strata of panels individually instead of globally.
06:37.55the-golemProvus: you can already, i think
06:38.08the-golemi swear i jsut saw that
06:38.35ProvusYou sure? I couldn't find a way to do it.
06:38.58Funkeh`nn folks
06:40.33OrionshockProvus: try doing a :SetStrata() on the eepanel
06:41.17the-golemProvus: yeah lemme check
06:41.23the-golemor what Orionshock said
06:41.53the-golemis eePanels2 much better than eePanels1?
06:43.41the-golemmaybe i can just make image borders
06:43.59the-golemitd be better than creating a new eepanel for each side
06:44.18Toadkillerwhat the hell is eepanels?
06:44.28Toadkiller<-- too lazy to read the wiki
06:44.49the-golem<-- too lazy to look it up for you
06:44.55CIA-1203next96 * r52760 10AuldLangSyne/Note/koKR.lua:
06:44.55CIA-12AuldLangSyne:
06:44.55CIA-12- Update locale koKR
06:45.05the-golempurl: eepanels?
06:45.09the-golemer
06:45.11chexsumi think it makes programmable frames
06:45.11the-golemwrong bot
06:45.23chexsumscriptable ...
06:45.43chexsum~eepanels
06:47.12ToadkillerYeah jsut wondering, some poor sap had a docking thing working in the old AutoBar just as I released the new one.
06:47.26ToadkillerSaw the post in a search
06:47.41Orionshock&?
06:50.31ToadkillerDidnt look any further into what eepanels was all about
06:51.05ToadkillerToo lazy then & too lazy now.  So its a way to wrangle & dock all your bars & stuff together?
06:52.19the-golemyes and no
06:52.36ToadkillerTack on extra crap you want?
06:52.57ToadkillerSpruce up someone elses cruddy frames?
06:52.59NightHawkTheSan1it's basically just graphical sugar
06:53.06ToadkillerK
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06:53.15the-golemfirstly eePanels provides *uniform* background for stuff, plus you can script indidual panels slightly
06:53.16the-golemlike
06:53.16NightHawkTheSan1frames you can create and anchor whrever you want, more or less
06:53.27ToadkillerOh shit, I finally cleaned up button moves...
06:53.42the-golemput a panel behind omen that shows up and disappears when omen does
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06:59.31CIA-1203toadkiller * r52761 10AutoBar/ (7 files): (log message trimmed)
06:59.31CIA-12AutoBar:
06:59.32CIA-12-- 2.02.03.14 beta ()
06:59.32CIA-12-- Fix button rearranging via waterfall options
06:59.32CIA-12-- Add "Move the Buttons" option (ctrl-click AutoBar icon). Allows direct drag & drop of buttons on the bar.
06:59.32CIA-12-- In "Move the Buttons" mode the tooltip is the Button name
06:59.34CIA-12-- Make a Bar's rows * columns limit number of active Buttons displayed.
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07:08.32CIA-12WeaponRebuff:
07:08.32CIA-12<PROTECTED>
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07:11.31the-golemlol
07:11.34the-golems'matter?
07:11.35Bejitteh?
07:15.38Orionshockthe term "spamy as fuck" comes to mind
07:16.07Bejittcomm channel?
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07:16.30OrionshockRecount does a Live Synch in and out of combat
07:16.36Orionshockand that's bad
07:16.46Bejittor.. the 2k dps -> ooc when doing live dps meter
07:16.48Bejittahh
07:17.22Orionshockthere is absolutely no reason for it to sync in combat
07:17.47CIA-1203babu 07babu * r52763 10TrainingWheels/TrainingWheels/TrainingWheels.lua:
07:17.47CIA-12TrainingWheels:
07:17.47CIA-12- Some changes while refactoring. Code not stable yet...
07:18.37Orionshockthat and the large the string is that's sent - the more lag it can induce
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07:33.54ProvusDoes anyone know of an alternative to TrinketMenu?
07:34.13ProvusTrinketMenu's functionality is nice but I really hate the ugly buttons.
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07:51.44Diaouse trinketmenu with cycircled?
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08:18.19CIA-1203kaelten 07Alpha * r52765 10Ace3/AceTab-3.0/AceTab-3.0.lua: -- Changing the following line to using a plain text find. I don't beleive you should need regex for this particular segment
08:33.33annuitscan any one here help me again?
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08:34.54annuitsplease?
08:35.35cryogenckknight: ping
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08:37.25cncfanaticshello ppl
08:37.44cryogenmorning
08:38.25cncfanatics<3 dreamlayout
08:38.32cryogenyeah
08:38.32cryogenbut
08:38.34cryogenits too dark
08:39.31cncfanaticsthat got fixed yesterday
08:39.34cncfanaticsdid u even bother to update ? :p
08:40.00cryogenim up to date as of this morning..
08:40.01Orionshockannuits
08:40.04Orionshock~asktoask
08:40.05purlThis is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.
08:41.07cncfanaticsthen it shouldn't be dark, cryogen
08:41.11cryogencncfanatics: im fully up to date, di dyou even submit it? :p
08:41.17cryogendreamlayout only has one revision on the svn
08:41.35cncfanaticshmmm, seems I didn't -.-
08:41.58cryogen~fail cncfanatics
08:41.58purlcncfanatics: Fail.
08:42.01annuitsi think iv done my ui
08:42.01annuits;o
08:42.51annuitshttp://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7665/naturalpv1.jpg
08:42.57annuitsim mainly holy tho.
08:43.30Orionshockeeeww Default UnitFrames
08:43.34Orionshockget rid of em
08:44.17CIA-1203cncfanatics * r52766 10FlexBar2_DreamLayout/DreamLayout.lua: FlexBar2_DreamLayout: Stop making the buttons darker with the backdrop
08:44.21cncfanaticsthere you go cryogen
08:44.53annuitsorion what do you think i should get?
08:45.17annuitsand orion what sever do you play on?
08:45.41Orionshockannuits: how much configuration do you want to do?
08:45.55Orionshockim on Nagrand-US/Oce
08:46.16annuitswat do u mean
08:47.01ProvusHey fanatics.
08:47.31cncfanaticsits cnc, or evolve, not fanatics please :p
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08:47.34ProvusDreamlayout's launch sequence is perfect, it gets every button where it should be magically placing that 1 pixel space everywhere, but it doesn't do it quite right with the line command.
08:47.49cncfanaticsshouldn't matter
08:47.53cncfanaticswhat result u get with line ?
08:48.19ProvusWell, WoW's scaling system is 'special'. There's probably nothing you can do it about it, there were just some buttons that were too close to other buttons
08:48.38cncfanaticslemme check
08:48.43cncfanaticsscale should work fine the way I coded it -.-
08:48.46ProvusI deleted a few buttons and when I remade them at the same scale I had the misfortune of finding that they didn't match their brothers and sisters.
08:49.06ProvusMost likely because the line command puts them on a fractional x and y axis.
08:49.17annuitshttp://img461.imageshack.us/img461/8686/princeg3wi4.jpg wat unit frames is that
08:49.29cncfanaticsline works fine for me
08:49.35ProvusI zoomed in with paint and found that there was a mix of buttons at 31x32, 32x31, and 32x32
08:49.45Orionshockannuits: that could be anything from AG_UF to pit bull
08:49.45cncfanaticsthere was ? :o
08:49.49ProvusYes.
08:50.01cncfanaticsevery button is created the exact same way
08:50.08cncfanaticsif they're not the same something's wrong with WoW :p
08:50.18ProvusLike I said, I suspect it's because they're on fractional x and y axises.
08:50.21Orionshocklooks like pitbull tbh
08:50.24ProvusThey're not really different sizes.
08:50.31annuitshnn
08:50.32cncfanaticsindeed, could be
08:50.35annuitswats a good one for a healer?
08:50.36cncfanaticsnearly sure even :p
08:50.56cncfanaticsProvus, with /fb line I supose there could be a 0.5px difference
08:50.56Bejittannuits: i think that's PitBull, but really really configured differently from the default
08:50.58ProvusThis is my button 54, for instance.
08:50.59Provus["Y"] = 32.5644129709558,
08:50.59Provus["X"] = 567.9868868089543,
08:51.03Orionshockannuits: it's personal preferance really - if you want something functional out of the box - try X-perl or AG_UF
08:51.04cncfanaticsya
08:51.07cncfanaticshere's how to solve this
08:51.12Orionshockif you want something overly complicated use PitBull
08:51.13cncfanaticsline up all ur buttons with one command
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08:51.29ProvusThat's what I did. I still had to seperate some buttons, however.
08:51.35annuitspitbull easy to setup?
08:52.03Bejittannuits: if you'
08:52.03cncfanaticsmeh, damn fractional axisses I guess
08:52.12cncfanaticsProvus, can u screenshot it ?K
08:52.13ProvusI wish WoW didn't have a retarded UI scale system.
08:52.21ProvusSec.
08:52.21Bejitts/if you'/if you're a masochist? maybe/
08:52.29annuitslol.
08:52.33ProvusLet me backup my flexbar LUA now that everything is perfect again.
08:52.35annuitswhat about if im a idiot. :p
08:52.47annuitsi cant find PitBull on curse.com
08:52.48annuits---
08:53.27Orionshockannuits: it's here on the AceSVN
08:53.34Bejittyou're more than likely to find it on wowace.com
08:53.36Orionshockfiles.wowace.com/PitBull/PitBull.zip
08:54.42cncfanaticsProvus, I code around the system, so it shouldn't effect you at all :/
08:54.48cncfanaticsthink the problem is that WoW rounds coordinates at some point
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08:57.57Bejittspeaking of pitbull... is there a way to attach one frame to another?
08:58.13Bejittlike attaching the Pet to the bottom of Player
08:58.20OrionshockBejitt: b/c they're based on secure frames that idea is a bad one
08:58.26Bejittkk
08:59.26cncfanaticsdon't anchor secure frames together indeed, bad idea :p
08:59.56Bejittjust thought it would be nice :D
09:00.14Bejittinstead of moving them pixel by pixel w/ mouse ;(
09:00.16Orionshockwell
09:00.27Orionshockonly anchor secure frames to each other as part of a cluster
09:01.05cncfanaticsI do it for groups of buttons in flexbar, but thats it
09:01.39Orionshockthat's ok, and what Bejitt wanted was ok
09:02.15Fisker-anyone know how i can fix the loot box stretching in xloot?
09:02.36annuitsonve i change my  userframes wil my ui be good?
09:04.11CIA-1203scorpio0920 * r52767 10SmartyCatManaBar/SmartyCatManaBar-zhTW.lua:
09:04.12CIA-12SmartyCatManaBar:
09:04.12CIA-12-Update zhTW translation.
09:04.20Orionshockannuits: good is a relitive term
09:04.52OrionshockFisker-: turn off autoloot for a second - and drag the frame to the far left side of the screen
09:04.56Orionshockit's a tem fix -
09:05.13Orionshockit's caused when the frame touches the edge of the screen
09:05.57annuitsoi this  pitball is hard
09:06.01annuitsevery thing is faded
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09:06.26Orionshockcombat fader and range checker
09:06.43annuitsim not in combat
09:06.44annuitsim at org
09:07.00Orionshockcombat fader turns the alpha down while not in combat
09:07.22Orionshocki don't like it personaly so i have it off
09:07.53ProvusOkay cnc I got the screenshot.
09:07.55annuitshow do i do that
09:08.28Orionshockckknight: note to ckknight put in better defaults for pit bull :P
09:08.30Provushttp://xs220.xs.to/xs220/07420/dreamlayoutproblems.PNG
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09:08.50OrionshockConfig > Modules
09:09.07art3mishttp://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/pooh-screenie.jpg
09:09.29annuitsrofl
09:09.34annuitscan u really do that art?
09:09.34Orionshocki have Banzai / Combat Fader / Xp Bar / Highlight / Interact Lines / Portrait / rep bar / rest icon / and threat off
09:09.43art3misdo what?
09:09.53Orionshockart3mis: ... WOW
09:09.59Orionshockthat's wrong on so many lvls
09:10.11art3misno orion
09:10.27art3mishttp://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/hellokitty-ui.jpg  <-- THAT is wrong
09:10.42art3mispooh is just moderately wrong ;P
09:10.49annuitsffs bitball is hard
09:10.55annuitsim gonna use the normal unitframes
09:11.05Orionshockart3mis: yes that is much worse
09:11.09Orionshockannuits: try X-Perl
09:11.18Orionshockit's more or less useable out of the box
09:11.49annuitshttp://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/hellokitty-ui.jpg LOL
09:12.09art3miscehck wowinterface.com annuits ;)
09:12.17art3misjust look for hello kitty ;)
09:12.34art3miswinnie the poog is the new one im doing
09:12.35annuitswho would make that UI
09:12.36annuitsLOL
09:12.38art3mis<---
09:13.50art3misand the winnie the pooh ui is my present ui
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09:14.33ProvusI think the only real problem with Pitbull is the way it positions auras. That needs improvement.
09:15.13Bejittheh yea, like putting debuffs to the left
09:15.21Bejittthey go wayyyyy left
09:16.04Orionshockhttp://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/OrionShock/WoWScrnShot_102107_021522.jpg
09:16.12Orionshockthat's mine - in config mod oFC
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09:16.29Bejittwhere are the pitbull bar positions defined? is that the layout stuff orrrr...?
09:16.55Orionshockya layout.. sorta
09:17.01Bejitthaha
09:17.10art3misyou should get minibuttonbar orion
09:17.18Orionshockeach unit group can have it's own layout
09:17.23Orionshockart3mis: i like it on my MM
09:17.29art3misis that bottom part viewported? or just overlayed
09:17.31Orionshockim not OCD like some ppl
09:17.44Orionshockskinner actualy
09:17.51art3misOrionshock: it stays on yer minimap it just condenses into 1 button instead fo 15
09:17.57art3misso overlayed
09:18.09annuitsoi u guys on your sever or severs
09:18.13annuitsdo people link the natural ward alot
09:18.17annuitsits the crazy for the year on mine :p
09:18.37Orionshocki use skinner to put the bottom frame there
09:19.16Lukianannuits, The Natural Ward > Band of Cenarius.
09:19.33annuitswats band of cenarius?
09:19.44Lukianlook it up on wowhead
09:20.10annuitspre tbc aq40 :p
09:20.27annuitsbut every one keeps linkg it and the gms ban people for spmin it
09:20.28annuitsso funny
09:20.33Lukianlol
09:21.08annuitsits the crazy on my realm :p
09:21.19Lukiancolloquially I think it signifies a mark of achievement and it also held the status of best NR ring in the game
09:21.24annuitsthank god i have lootlink i randomly link it at like 4am and every one starts linking it
09:21.36Lukianew lootlink :p
09:22.20annuitssi
09:22.25annuitsits the best way to start crap on my sever :p
09:22.29annuitswats itemsync
09:22.47Lukiana 'better' item database :p
09:23.01Ra1d3ndepending on your viewpoint
09:23.25annuitsmy priests name is natural thats why i link the natural ward
09:23.26Orionshockhttp://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/OrionShock/WoWScrnShot_102107_022327.jpg
09:23.28Orionshockme in combat
09:23.34annuitshttp://wowhead.com/?search=natural my name  pwnns
09:24.04Ra1d3nmy eyes burn
09:24.08Ra1d3nOrionshock
09:24.17LukianOrionshock, screenspace much?
09:24.25annuitshttp://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7946/naturalxu6.jpg me in org :p
09:24.26Ra1d3ngonna sue you for causing physical pain
09:24.49annuitswow orion
09:24.54Orionshocki've got plenty of screen space
09:24.58annuitsdid u make all that
09:25.06Orionshockya
09:25.14sbingnerwhat's withthe red/green/blue circle stuff
09:25.15annuitswtf how do u make all the bottom black
09:25.20Lukianeepanels2
09:25.22Orionshockskinner
09:25.29annuitshttp://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7946/naturalxu6.jpg mine stil pwns.
09:25.30Lukianor that ^^
09:25.35Orionshocksorry the idea behind eepanels2 is ... dumb
09:25.57LukianI go minimalist, I don't use either
09:26.10art3misOrionshock: yer not big on symmetry are ya ;P
09:26.17Orionshocksymmetry?
09:26.27LukianArcaia, hahah :D
09:26.31Lukianart3mis*
09:27.00Orionshocknot really - i can't get the xperl raid frames to center
09:27.02Bejittsure he is, he has the circular hud :o
09:27.20art3misheh or the casting bar to not overlap ;P
09:27.24art3mishaha
09:27.42Orionshockwell the frames where moved arround for a 10 man raid - so in AV it's all fubared
09:27.51Bejittyou know, i just realized that people call that a HUD... but the entire UI is a HUD in the sense of the word(s) >_>
09:27.51MoonWolfOrionshock, OMG the blue
09:27.59Orionshocklol
09:28.01art3misOrionshock: you should use perfect raid
09:28.06art3misits so pertty ;P
09:28.59MoonWolfany dps class should at least use something smaller then ctraid, blizztracker or another one of those huge things
09:29.05art3mishttp://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/pooh-screenie.jpg
09:29.14MoonWolfthe orange!
09:29.16MoonWolfit burns
09:29.19art3misbejitt: my last ui layout actually used ghud as the unit frames
09:29.34Orionshockwell IRL calls - so i go
09:29.36art3miswith the 3d models as the "portrait"
09:29.58art3misMoonWolf: yer just jealous ;P
09:30.06MoonWolfIT BURNS
09:32.52CIA-1203nargiddley 07Alpha * r52768 10Ace3/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
09:32.52CIA-12Ace3 - AceGUI: Tweak layout code to be consistent over refreshes
09:32.52CIA-12AceConfigDialog: Full refresh on each control activation
09:32.52CIA-12- type = 'multiselect' support
09:32.55CIA-1203cncfanatics * r52769 10DrDamage/DrDamage.lua: DrDamage: Fix a bug with the flexbar subs
09:34.49ProvusCnc, are you back? I got that screenshot you wanted.
09:34.55ProvusI made it pretty elaborate.
09:35.10cncfanaticsI'm always here Provus :p
09:35.14Provushttp://xs220.xs.to/xs220/07420/dreamlayoutproblems.PNG
09:36.03cncfanaticscan't do shit about that Provus
09:36.26ProvusAlright.
09:36.28cncfanaticsand ur probably the only person that will ever notice it :p
09:36.55ProvusI would like your help on something.
09:37.03cncfanaticssure
09:37.17ProvusIn an effort to integrate Trinketmenu's ugly buttons I went out looking for a solution,
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09:37.45charonmorning
09:37.46Provushttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7361-2.html I found this and being the resourceful sort, I screwed around in the LUA until I figured out how to make the border go away.
09:38.29NargiddleyProvus: those things seem to get amplified in a scrollframe, waterfall has a habit of things dancing around when it does a refresh ><
09:38.40ProvusThe trinketmenu buttons I'm left with are very close to the scale of my flexbar buttons, but they are each a pixel off at where I want to put them, and I have no idea how to add that pixel appropiately.
09:39.03Nargiddleyeach control seems to get its own off my one error. Recycling them into new locations makes it look really bad :/
09:39.10Nargiddley*by one
09:39.40annuitsorion u are a healer yes?
09:40.10ProvusI looked around in the LUA and XML files of TrinketMenu but I couldn't really find any indication of what controls the base scale size.
09:41.00ProvusI don't really know what to look for.
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09:43.34annuitsorion i dont know how u heal in that ui
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09:45.21annuitsi just got this random error :S
09:46.47annuitsi keep getting those pop up error mods things
09:47.14the-golemyay \o/
09:47.32the-golemmade a new border texture
09:47.54the-golemnow i dont hafta do a painstaking eePanels setup
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09:49.22ProvusGuess he's afk again
09:50.20CIA-1203scorpio0920 * r52770 10LittleWigs/ (29 files in 6 dirs): LittleWigs: Update zhTW translation.
09:50.38ProvusDoes anyone else know?
09:51.31art3misNargiddley: hows ace3 coming along btw?
09:51.53the-golemProvus: yeah i agree at teh scaling
09:52.09the-golemusing halfpixels and shit
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09:52.45ProvusErr, I want to know how I can make my trinketmenu buttons 1 pixel wider.
09:52.51ProvusThrough the LUA file.
09:52.53NargiddleyI can only speak for ConfigDialog, but going really well
09:55.03ProvusHmm, here's a line of code..
09:55.35annuitswats frameXLM mean
09:55.40annuitsits a thing comign up on wow all the time
09:55.49Provuslocal newscale = (cursorx-framex)/TrinketMenu.ScalingWidth
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09:56.56ProvusIs there a way I can add like a +1 to the end of that?
09:57.12CIA-1203celellach * r52771 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/burningcrusade.en.lua:
09:57.12CIA-12AtlasLoot_BCInstances:
09:57.13CIA-12- Fixed typo in BT
09:57.16annuitsis there any way to move my cast bar?
09:57.16the-golemyou know
09:57.20the-golemi bet is a rounding issue
09:58.12the-golemProvus: try it? i dont use flexbar though
09:58.25annuitsgolem u good with UI's
09:58.31ProvusIt's trinketmenu
09:58.36the-golemoh sorry
09:58.56SarozIs there an SVN browser somewhere?
09:58.57the-golemi was going off of the screen
09:59.34the-golemProvus: same kinda issue with OneBag having scaling problem
09:59.34the-golems
10:00.29annuitsgolem how do i move my cast bar?
10:00.37Orionshockannuits: quartz
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10:00.59the-golemquartz, eCastbingbar .. couple others
10:01.17the-golemis eCastingbar still maintained?
10:01.58annuitsand wats this message i keep getting
10:02.01annuitsframesxlm or some thing
10:02.09annuitsgametooltip
10:02.24the-golemi've no idea
10:02.38the-golemannuits : take a screen of the error and post it somewhere
10:02.38annuitsdam it its pissing me off
10:02.43annuitshere? :p
10:03.03the-golemi mean, upload the screenshot, and post the link to it ^^
10:03.17annuitsyea here?
10:03.25the-golemwhere else?
10:03.46the-golemlol ya here ><
10:03.57Orionshockwhere is LH hosted?
10:04.08annuitswowhead forums :p
10:04.35the-golemannuits: well, i dont read forums so ...
10:05.03cladhaireLH is on wowinterface.com
10:05.05the-golems/forums/forums regularly/
10:05.12annuitshttp://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7480/errorpu8.jpg
10:05.22the-golemhiya clad
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10:05.44cladhairehi
10:06.07annuitsi keep getting it
10:06.08Orionshockwoah - it's one of clad's mods
10:06.11annuitsits really tickin me off
10:06.16Bejittffs how do you disable the border on bartender's bars when you move them?
10:06.47cladhaireannuits: then you have an addon that is calling SetOwner with no args
10:06.51cladhaireor a nil arg
10:06.52the-golemnoob question alert!! -- wtf does "ffs" stand for
10:07.00annuitsi dont think i do.
10:07.03cladhairefor fucks's sake
10:07.10annuitsLOL
10:07.14the-golemcladhaire: lol thanks
10:07.17cladhaireannuits: Yes.. you do.. that's the only reason you would be getting that error.
10:07.19charon"for x's sake", for 4-letter values of x
10:07.24cladhairecomputers are deterministics
10:07.27Orionshockclad ... :D do you have an svn for LH?
10:07.36Orionshocka google svn?
10:07.38cladhaireOrionshock: actually, at the moment, no.
10:07.45cladhairesign up as a favorite on wowinterfacec
10:07.47*** join/#wowace [Liquidor] (n=denras19@130.225.247.36)
10:07.52cladhaireit gets updated once a week,a nd you'll get emailed when it does.
10:07.54Orionshockhehe.. WUU ftw
10:07.56cladhaireas per usual.
10:07.58the-golemtbh i thought it was the noise of someone sputtering
10:08.57Orionshockonly reason i ask is i found the SVN part of WAU the other day... and i find it rather handy that it'll do an SVN update for any addons you have regardless where the repository is
10:09.11cladhaireOrionshock: well i dont at the moment
10:09.30cladhairei hit the quota where i'm currently hosted.
10:09.32cladhaireand people shouldn't be using that one anyway
10:09.37cladhairesvn is for development, not distributino
10:09.50the-golemannuits: disable half your modules
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10:10.00the-golemif the error still exists, disable half more
10:10.13Orionshockclad true... but i think that argument has been beaten to death
10:10.20cladhaireI'm not arguing
10:10.28cladhaireI'm telling you how/when/where and why to download my addon
10:10.29Orionshock*true
10:10.32cladhaireIts still quite easy
10:10.44cladhaireif you use the SVN that exists for LightHeaded, you will get absolutely 0 updates
10:10.59cladhaireadd as favorite, and download it weekly when I update :P
10:11.12Orionshock<< has instinctual habit of playing devils advocate
10:11.20the-golem: lol
10:11.29cladhaire<< is the author, and no amount of "opinion" will sway him :P
10:11.43art3missending clad gifts might help for faster updates though
10:11.50cladhairenope, i update weekly
10:12.04cladhaireand i won't release anything that downloads everything and parses it for the user
10:12.08cladhairebecuse then the addon would be shut down entirely
10:12.13art3misa sharp hammer blow to the skull once in a while "might" cure the stubbornness as well ;P
10:12.13the-golembut, clad will take ur gifts regardless :P
10:12.20cladhairethere's a calculated reason behind everything I do
10:12.29cladhairethe-golem: Only if they weren't given quid-pro-quo
10:12.55art3miscladhaire: im going with the usual nerd response to that "because im stubborn and KNOW whats best" ;)
10:12.58the-golemthats why they are "gifts" and not "bribes", eh?
10:13.27cladhairethe-golem: Depends on who you ask.. campaign finance is full of "gifts" :P
10:13.35art3miscalculated reason == "because i said so" in nerd speak heh
10:13.46cladhaireno
10:13.51the-golemi agree with clad
10:13.53art3miscladhaire: true but that does have some limits ;P
10:13.54cladhaireit means, flat out, that I know things you don't
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10:14.11art3misand of course some loopholes
10:14.25Orionshock"it's mine, im going to do what i dam well please with it"
10:14.32cladhairebecause I've had the conversations that were/are necessary
10:14.40cladhaireOrionshock: No, I never once said that
10:14.44cladhaireI'd say that about my other addons
10:14.48Orionshocksaid no...
10:14.50Orionshockno
10:15.09cladhairebut LightHeaded, the way I do things are very specific due to the addons relationship with WoWHead
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10:15.13cladhaireand the number of users I have
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10:15.20Orionshockdon't need to, see if i start off understanding that "axiom" then i don't feel dissapointed when im told no
10:15.41Orionshocki have a very odd outlook on things
10:15.55annuitsgolem
10:15.58art3misOrionshock: yer forgetting one very important thing in regards to clad though
10:15.58annuitsi dont have that mod u asid
10:16.04the-golem??
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10:16.08the-golemannuits: wut?
10:16.21art3misOrionshock: he'll have to point out the "why" part of it ;)
10:16.21the-golemi never said u had any specific mod
10:16.31art3miseven though inr eality we dont care
10:16.35annuitswell wat could it be
10:16.44art3misand he seems to not quite understand what similes at the end of statements mean
10:16.52art3misi think thats cuz he's in england
10:17.03art3misand the time difference doesnt let them transfer correctly
10:17.08cladhaireI certainly do, but smug remarks made with smileys aren't entirely innocent (and you are fully aware of this)
10:17.10the-golemart3mis: doncha mean "smilies
10:17.17cladhaire:P
10:17.20cladhaireI've smiled plenty too
10:17.22the-golemsimiles are somethign different entirely
10:17.25the-golem:P
10:17.27art3misno way similies are way cooler ;P
10:17.40the-golemlol
10:17.47cladhairebut I'm going to make damn sure that the people who are questioning or critisizing know full well my intentions and reasons so there's no ambiguity
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10:18.06art3miscladhaire: just remember that NOTHING i say has any other purpose(if its done in a argumentative way) that to troll ;)
10:18.28cladhaireI'm aware
10:18.33art3misthat being said im pretty sure you'll still fall into it heh
10:18.35Orionshock"/enough with the beating of the bush. you where going to set it on fire and run; so just do it/"  <-- My phrase of the Month
10:18.36cladhaireI think its _awesome_
10:19.04the-golemlol
10:19.08cladhaireart3mis: the problem with trolling, is even if I know you're trolling.. the two hundred people watching the conversation may not..
10:19.19art3miscladhaire: heh sometimes thats the best part
10:19.30cladhaireNo, its not.
10:19.41art3misbesides you just need to fall on the "it's mine, not gonna happen, go die" response
10:19.58cladhairei'm not tekkub
10:20.02art3misno-one in here "needs" the WHY
10:20.02cladhairei'm actually here to help my users :P
10:20.11art3misthey just need the end result
10:20.13art3misheh
10:20.20art3mistekk rocks though because of that
10:20.22cladhairei gave it, that wasn't good enough
10:20.25art3misshirik and cid are the same way
10:20.40Tekkubclad says that, but don't believe him
10:21.13art3miscladhaire: the difference in the two responses is that one makes you look like an arrogant cock that lords it over others for "knowing more" as opposed to the arrogant cock that makes good addons
10:21.31Arrowmasterlol
10:21.32cladhaireand which do I come across as?
10:21.37art3miswhich do you think people would be less likely to contest?
10:21.38Orionshockcome on poking the /"wow ace dev counsie
10:21.43cladhaire...
10:21.45Orionshock*disregard last
10:21.58art3mis<cladhaire> it means, flat out, that I know things you don't
10:22.02art3mistake a wild guess ;'P
10:22.11cladhaire...
10:22.18cladhaireokay, can you just stop fucking trolling?
10:22.30cladhairethat was 10 minutes after i already gave my completely valid, unjustified responses.
10:22.37art3misalright fine
10:22.43cladhairethat the addon isn't available via SVN.. and they can update via wowinterface.com favorites
10:22.51art3misits only cuz you've got a sexy ass though
10:23.00cladhairedragging shit out of context, and calling me an arrogant prick isn't "fun".
10:24.08art3mishrm
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10:24.15dreamssaww
10:24.17baer_moin.
10:24.18dreamssi missed the fun
10:24.24art3misi just hit my "wow movement keys" in an attempt to mvoe around irc
10:24.48dreamssdid it work?
10:24.54art3misi dont think so
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10:27.22dreamssshould wow cpu usage change if i change motherboards?
10:27.30dreamsscpu/ram/vid is the same
10:27.32art3misit houldnt
10:27.35art3misshouldnt
10:27.54art3misunless its a much faster bus
10:28.38Pucmelnope
10:29.00Pucmelit will be high all the time .. stupid hack detecting tool
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10:29.33Arrowmasteri cant remember the last game i played that didnt use up as much cpu % as possible
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10:30.00dreamssthis nforce2 board kept freezing after few days of wow
10:30.11dreamssmy old via dint, so i switched the mobo back
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10:37.11annuitshttp://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7480/errorpu8.jpg KEEPS COMING UP  OMG
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10:38.09Ominousannuits: get a proper error addon and you might find the source
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10:38.22annuitswho can help me fix it
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10:38.47Ominousannuits: get !!BugGrabber and BugSack as that will give you an error which means something
10:39.04the-golemindeed
10:39.18the-golemannuits: does it happen when you do something? or just random?
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10:40.12Arrowmasterannuits: do you use itemrack?
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10:40.24Orionshockpift - lrn2debug :P
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10:41.32annuitsno i dont
10:41.37annuitsit happends random
10:41.48Orionshockya - bug sack and grabber
10:41.52annuitsboth off them?
10:41.53Orionshockinstall & try again
10:42.07annuitswat do they do?
10:42.16Orionshock*ominous voice* -- Yes my son, both of them
10:42.36annuitswat do they do tho
10:42.52Orionshock... questions questions -- install them and find out :P
10:42.59annuitsinstall as in exe or a mod?
10:43.04Orionshock?
10:43.11annuitsare they mods or are they exe's
10:43.12Orionshockwrong question - try again
10:43.24Orionshockhehe.. bad context i guess
10:43.34Orionshockannuits: hit WAU / Files.wowace.com and get them there
10:43.39Orionshocktheir normal mods
10:44.50annuitsok  iw ill later
10:44.52annuitsraiding now :p
10:53.48Synnethhow can i submit a bug report for a mod, the trac link on the home page doesnt work
10:54.04Orionshockcheck the forum thread - usualy it's posted there
10:54.37Synnethby home page i mean on the wowace.com home page, the mod itself doesnt have a page on the wiki - but ok, checking forum
10:56.35Arrowmastertrac is dead
10:57.00Synnethahh, someone might want to remove the link from the main page then :)
10:57.06Arrowmasteryeah probably
10:57.47Arrowmasteri modified the template for the addon wiki pages to point to fish instead of trac but i doubt i'm allowed to touch the homepage and side bar stuff
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10:59.42Orionshockcould prolly poke Tekkub to remove it
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11:00.19Tekkubthe nav bar, no that's admin only
11:00.46Tekkubthe addon box is generated by the server
11:00.55Synnethso is there a bug tracking system now or do we just post stuff on the forum
11:00.59Tekkubthe new addon infobox template supports it
11:01.08Tekkubbut auto-gen toc pages don't use it
11:01.22Tekkubyou post bugs where the dev wants them
11:01.39Orionshock"Tekkub>you post bugs where the dev wants them" as it's always been
11:01.42cranvilhi there
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11:01.47Tekkubyup
11:01.52Tekkuband noone ever does
11:02.09Arrowmasterdid any devs actually use trac for bugs?
11:02.14Tekkublook at all those feature requests in the TourGuide thread that I've already forgotten cause they're not in gcode
11:02.31Tekkubso sad, there were some good ones, I think, or did I just have gas that day?
11:03.29kebinusanHm, anyone recommend a simple addon that keeps track of how many of each type of gem you have socketed
11:03.49Orionshockkebinusan: pen and papper?
11:03.58kebinusanOrionshock: Addon :-)
11:04.14Orionshockwell it could be considered an addon :P
11:04.20kebinusanAnd dont say omnibus
11:04.33Orionshock<PROTECTED>
11:04.41Orionshock<PROTECTED>
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11:05.56kebinusannm found one
11:06.03OrionshockTekkub: are there any events or callback or .. hooks into tourguide i can make to make the fubar plugin?
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11:07.03Tekkubevents? not really
11:07.21TekkubI could sneak in a callback of some sort maybe
11:07.29TekkubI assume you need the status frame update
11:07.57Orionshockpritty much - what ever sets the icon and text
11:08.11Orionshockcould care less about the clicks atm
11:08.35Tekkubwell there's SetText and there's UpdateStatusFrame
11:09.40Tekkubyou probably want to hook SetText
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11:09.53Orionshock... 10pts man
11:10.08Orionshock<PROTECTED>
11:10.10Orionshock>.>
11:10.24TekkubI don't anme my frames
11:10.32Tekkubfunction TourGuide:SetText(i)
11:10.36Orionshockhow lovely
11:10.40TekkubI'm not talking about a frame's settext
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11:11.13SarozSVN is fucked?
11:11.19Orionshockthat function has other arguments btw
11:11.31Tekkubno, it doesn't
11:11.38Tekkubit's NOT a frame's SetText
11:12.10Orionshocki know...
11:12.18Orionshocki looked at the code...
11:12.26Orionshocki'll figure it out i just have to want to :D
11:12.37Orionshock& i don't like to hook shit
11:12.50Tekkubjust get the action title and texture like it does in that SetText and use it :P
11:12.55[Ammo]Saroz: looks like, I ran into some issues just now as well
11:13.01[Ammo]405 method not allowed
11:13.03TekkubI might give you a callback, if you're nice
11:13.16Tekkubbut a hook isn't bad there
11:13.22Orionshockwell i don't need one i think
11:13.26Tekkubthere's no taint to worry about, it's not called often
11:13.28Orionshock& hate hooks
11:13.42Tekkubhooks are fine if you do em right
11:13.43Orionshocktoo many things go wrong & poof - busted
11:13.44Tekkub:P
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11:15.53Orionshockif you add table access to some of the return values i could just listne to the same events and pull those
11:16.12Tekkub"some of the events"?
11:16.19Tekkubthe frame updates on more than events
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11:17.10Tekkubhow bout this...
11:17.26Tekkubattach a method, say UpdateFubarPlugin, on your init
11:17.49Tekkubif I find self.UpdateFubarPlugin, I'll call it and pass the args you need (texture and text?)
11:17.58Orionshockya
11:18.04Tekkuband a correct self
11:18.23Orionshockya that's about the extent of what's needed.
11:18.28Tekkubwait I'd need to know self too
11:18.34Tekkubyou handle self :P
11:18.39TekkubI'll handle the args
11:18.43the-golemgood god
11:18.49Tekkubyes?
11:18.55the-golemhas FuBar always used like 4MB?
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11:19.15Tekkubonly 4? you can do better tahn that
11:19.19Arrowmasteryour running embeded
11:19.35OrionshockTG_FU:DisplayUpdate(icon,text)
11:19.36Arrowmasterand memeory usage doesnt mean shit
11:19.56Tekkubagain with that lovely vague phrase
11:20.00OrionshockUpdateFubarPlugin i think is internal
11:20.14the-golemArrowmaster: thats debateable
11:20.28Tekkubyea, I'm talking about just attaching something into TourGuide's object
11:20.32Saroz[Ammo]: http://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/BigWigs/
11:20.33Tekkubif it's there I call it
11:20.42Tekkubyou handle all the fubar bullshit yourself
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11:21.11the-golembut your right, i am embedded
11:21.12Tekkubthe-golem, he means, peak memory use means nothing
11:21.16the-golemer, running embedded
11:21.20Tekkubmemory consumption rate, does
11:21.21Orionshock>.- ok now im confused
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11:21.36MikkSVN has been fixed
11:21.38TekkubOrionshock, ... you creat TourGuide.somefunc....
11:21.39CIA-1203nargiddley 07Alpha * r52772 10Ace3/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
11:21.39CIA-12Ace3 - AceGUI: Add :SetDisabled to controls that were missing it
11:21.39CIA-12AceConfigDialog: handle hidden when its a function/method
11:21.39CIA-12- support disabled for controls
11:21.40Mikkdev.wowace.com works again
11:21.48annuitsthe natural ward has gone crazy on my sever now
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11:21.51Tekkubif it's there, I call self.somefunc(text, texture)
11:21.53annuitspeeople hav beeen saying
11:21.57Orionshock.. oh ok.
11:22.03Orionshockthat makes more sense
11:22.12Tekkubgot it now?
11:22.19annuitsdude weres my the natural ward  harry potter and the natural ward star wars return of the natural ward lord of the rings return of the natuarl ward Lol
11:22.24annuitsthe list goes on
11:22.26Tekkubwhich means, if you need a "self" youll have to manage that for yourself
11:22.35Tekkubnot hard to do at all, of course
11:24.30CIA-1203saroz * r52773 10SinkLib/Sink-1.0/Sink-1.0.lua: SinkLib: Fix Outgoing SCT sink
11:24.36Saroz!
11:25.05Arcaia!
11:25.13Arcaia~weighted companion cube
11:25.14purli guess weighted companion cube is your friend, though you shouldn't listen to his advice, HE IS YOUR FRIEND - do not question the truth!
11:25.17the-golemwoo! http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f133/the-golem/WoWScrnShot_102107_035550.jpg
11:25.37kebinusanYou will be baked and then there will be cake
11:25.47Arcaiaorange appeal to you?
11:26.00Arcaiahttp://randomfew.net/random.public/wcc-desktop.png
11:26.07kebinusanI dislike big blocks on the bottom of the screen w/o a viewport
11:26.07the-golemi was aiming for more "goldem"
11:26.16the-golem"golden"
11:26.22Arcaialooks orange
11:26.25the-golemyeah
11:26.33Arcaiaadd a tad bit of green to it, and tone down the red >.>
11:26.34the-golemi aimed too low
11:26.51kebinusanYou have euthanized your faithful companion cube faster than any test subject on record
11:27.00the-golemits difficult in game when all u got is the color wheel :-(
11:27.16kebinusanenhanced colorpicker
11:27.22Bejittthe-golem: why 'pet target' as a warrior?
11:27.25Arcaia245, 237, 82
11:27.30Arcaia= rgb
11:27.37Arcaiafor a good gold that translates in UI ;P
11:27.45the-golemBejitt: cuz its the same layout for my hunter
11:27.53Bejitthah
11:27.57the-golemand i just turned on options
11:28.00the-golemer
11:28.04the-golem"config"
11:28.25Bejittyea i know
11:28.31the-golempet and pet target dont show up on a warrior anyway, unless im doing chess .. or that event in ogrila
11:28.38Bejittjust kinda pointless for a warrior :P
11:28.48Arcaiahttp://www.randomfew.net/random.public/uiss/WoWScrnShot_101507_170819.jpg
11:28.54Arcaiamost recent for my lock
11:29.01ArcaiaI really need to take more screenshots
11:29.04Arcaiait changes near daily.
11:29.23the-golemnice
11:29.47the-golemBejitt: true .. but they dont show up anyway :P
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11:30.15the-golemaltho i guess i could unload them
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11:30.23Bejitthttp://www.insomnia-spirestone.com/images/junko/Bat_Plus_Horse.jpg  i cleaned it up a bit after this tho @_@
11:30.26the-golemactually i need to unload lotsa shit
11:30.29the-golemlike
11:30.34the-golemmain tank target
11:30.38Bejitthaha yea
11:30.47ArcaiaI have a cool idea for my rogue's ui >.>
11:30.52the-golemanyway
11:30.55the-golemi was more excited
11:31.03Arcaiamy rogue = all keys memorized
11:31.14the-golembecause i was able to get my border to load on eePanels2
11:31.14Arcaiaso i can have some fun without action bars!
11:31.34the-golemBejitt: thats pretty nice
11:32.11Bejittignore ktm and the floating bar on the left :/
11:32.18the-golemi like the spot for the classbars
11:32.19hasteArcaia: http://beverpung.net/images/games/wow/Otravi/temp/WoWScrnShot_081407_194606.jpg << dropping actionbars ftw :)
11:32.33Bejitti
11:32.39Bejittasdf fingers
11:32.45the-golemanyway, no more 5 eePanels2 to get a borderd pannel
11:32.48the-golemnow just 1
11:32.50the-golem:-)
11:33.19Bejitti've had my ui in that general arrangement for a while; used to have buttons under the map, but i wanted it down more ;(
11:33.21Arcaiahaste -> I'm afraid I won't clear everything off, ill keep buttons for cooldowns/trinkets
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11:33.30Arcaiamainly because I click those for safety.
11:33.48the-golemi click alotta shit
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11:34.07Arcaiawhat server haste?
11:34.39Arcaiaand the-golem -> as a hunter, I presume you would =)
11:34.44hasteArcaia: Grim Batol EU
11:35.02Bejittclicking as a hunter? cant jumpshot ;(
11:35.05hasteArcaia: I just use a small indicator for cooldowns: http://beverpung.net/images/games/wow/Otravi/ui/06072007.jpg (just under the error text)
11:35.39the-golemArcaia: yeah ... hunters have too much crap lol
11:36.44Arcaiahaste -> I like buttons for them -> makes sure I never accidentally blow a cool down when in the heat of fleeing in pvp or burning in raids
11:36.53Arcaia<- rogue of raiding proportions
11:37.06Arcaia!c us Shattered Hand Arcaia
11:37.09ThraeBotArcaia: Arcaia, Level 70 Human Rogue (15/41/5). 8884 HP; 1470 AP; 344.500 Melee DPS; 29.16% melee crit; 155 melee hit; 25.22% dodge; 55 resilience;[[ TBR: 1482 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/269oow ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2rhxsn ][ Updated: Sun Oct 21 07:40:21 2007 EST ]]
11:37.29Arcaiaeww...
11:37.37Arcaiamust have off-gear on >.>
11:37.39Arcaiaor town gears
11:37.40Bejitthaha
11:37.41Trell_http://www.angelicknights.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10335/trell_ui.jpg - ooc, and http://www.angelicknights.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10335/trell_ui_combat.jpg in combat ;)
11:37.44Arcaiadonno.
11:37.47Trell_Arcaia - I'm a Rogue too ;)
11:38.00CIA-1203nargiddley 07Alpha * r52775 10Ace3/AceConfig-3.0/AceConfigDialog-3.0/AceConfigDialog-3.0.lua:
11:38.00CIA-12Ace3 - AceConfigDialog:
11:38.00CIA-12- input controls properly call their set function
11:38.06the-golemArcaia: town gears?
11:38.10the-golemyou on an RP server?
11:38.19Arcaiacarebear server
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11:39.19Trell_why can you never, ever, ever use a wand on yourself?
11:39.20Arcaiaand also Trell_ :: too much futuristic text for me ;P
11:39.34Trell_it's always annoyed me about events that give wands out as rewards.
11:39.38ArcaiaI like my UI simple -> Functionaly ;)
11:39.41OrionshockTekkub: http://ace.pastey.net/75599
11:39.44Orionshockhows that look?
11:39.52Trell_yeah, I'm kinda a stats whore
11:40.05Trell_want to know everything at once, so tehres quite a bit of info on my UI's :P
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11:40.43Arcaiaoh dont get me wrong
11:40.47Bejitt!c us Spirestone Junkoism
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11:40.49ThraeBotBejitt: Junkoism, Level 70 Night Elf Warrior (17/44/0). 9514 HP; 8313 Armour; 1828 AP; 228.200 Melee DPS; 31.36% melee crit; 188 melee hit; 5.32% dodge; 5.00% block; 12 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1046 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2g45z4 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2le7ra ][ Updated: Sun Oct 21 07:44:02 2007 EST ]]
11:40.57Bejitti'm a rogue too ;o
11:40.58Arcaiawhen on my rogue my hud/ebb/etc has EVERYTHING
11:41.05Arcaiawithin minimal eye movement
11:41.10Arcaiakenergy mid screen
11:41.20Arcaiaan ebb with debuffs on screeen
11:41.30Arcaiahud shows my hp/target hp
11:41.35Arcaiaworks Wonders ;)
11:42.04Arcaiahttp://www.randomfew.net/random.public/uiss/WoWScrnShot_100307_131404.jpg
11:42.11Arcaiamy rogue's ui -> in a nutshell ;P
11:42.53Bejittthe hell? it shows my dps as just my MH, but yours was combined dps
11:43.30Arcaiathat shows a warrior >.>
11:43.45Bejittand?
11:43.49Arcaiaahh
11:43.51Bejitta warrior DW'ing
11:43.56Arcaiajust making sure you didnt mean to link your rogue
11:44.12Bejitthaha no
11:44.17Bejitti'm a rogue in plate ;oi
11:44.22Bejitt;o*
11:44.23ArcaiaFAIL.
11:44.27Bejitthaha whatever
11:44.27ArcaiaWarriors Suck.
11:44.33ArcaiaYou will never compare.
11:44.35Bejittyea, they do
11:44.41Bejittmmmmkay
11:44.57ArcaiaWarriors are Blizzard's failure at designing a class correctly.
11:45.05ArcaiaWarlocks are their Shining achievement.
11:45.14ArcaiaEverything else is in-between.
11:45.18Bejitti may not be able to top our rogues half the time, but i'm still above the rest of the dps :P
11:45.42ArcaiaI was toppin' Gruul dps charts in Blues/Greens.
11:45.42the-golemfunny
11:45.50Bejitthaha so was i
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11:46.08the-golem<-- prot ftw/l
11:46.14Bejitthah
11:46.16the-golem:P
11:46.18ArcaiaProt is something bliz did right ;P
11:46.21darxethimp revenge ftw
11:46.21Bejitti did that preBC >_>
11:46.45ArcaiaSaight.
11:46.47the-golemyeah
11:46.52the-golemwell
11:47.05the-golemtoo bad blizz didnt take the time to provide more prot gear
11:47.06ArcaiaI've been dueling people on PTR naked with a 1hand vendor sword only ;P
11:47.40ArcaiaI think Blizz needs to work on straightening out loot tables before making a new raid event >.>
11:47.41Bejittmore prot gear? there's plenty
11:47.54Bejittit's just... spread out
11:47.59the-golemriiiiiiiiight
11:48.00ArcaiaI've done Netherspite 29 times. Spiteblade hasn't dropped once.
11:48.07the-golemyou know how many pre-raid prot boots there are?
11:48.08the-golemlike
11:48.09the-golem2
11:48.21ArcaiaRed Havoc Boots?
11:48.35BejittEaglecrest Warboots
11:48.39Bejittdo eet
11:48.58the-golemi was going for the ones from MT for more stams
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11:48.59the-golembut
11:49.02Bejittred havoc is t5 recipe drop
11:49.07the-golemno, too much shadow damage
11:49.41the-golemtheres only Boots of the Collosus and Eaglecrest
11:49.46ArcaiaSo -> A) the pattern is buyable, B) Blacksmithing is trainable.
11:49.52Bejittlol true
11:49.58Arcaiaa friend of mine
11:50.06Bejittspeaking of, wts the recipe
11:50.06ArcaiaPowerlevelled Engineering / Blacksmithing
11:50.11the-golemwhere does that recipe drop?
11:50.16Arcaia!C us Shattered Hand Robhammer
11:50.17BejittSSC/TK
11:50.25Arcaia!c us Shattered Hand Robhammer
11:50.26the-golemah well
11:50.27ThraeBotArcaia: Robhammer, Level 70 Human Warrior (8/0/53). 13574 HP; 13296 Armour; 716 AP; 140.800 Melee DPS; 5.79% melee crit; 13 melee hit; 405 defense; 21.43% dodge; 22.33% block;[[ TBR: 1196 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrcznw ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2mm8sv ][ Updated: Sun Oct 21 07:53:40 2007 EST ]]
11:50.53Arcaianote: thraebot doesn't calculate defense correctly I don't believe
11:50.59Bejittwtf is he doing with dragonmaw
11:51.00Bejittand a shield
11:51.05Arcaiaofftanking ;)
11:51.13Bejittstill, w t f
11:51.19Bejitttoo slow >_>
11:51.27Arcaiadragonmaw is amazing for building threat/rage while offtanking.
11:51.55Arcaiaand that shield is what he grinds with
11:51.58Arcaiawhile farming ;P
11:52.08the-golem!c us Drak'thul Mistblade
11:52.10ThraeBotthe-golem: Mistblade, Level 70 Night Elf Warrior (10/0/51). 14014 HP; 15117 Armour; 832 AP; 141.400 Melee DPS; 5.87% melee crit; 329 defense; 18.81% dodge; 23.97% block; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1486 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yty945 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/35frbk ][ Updated: Sun Oct 21 07:55:22 2007 EST ]]
11:52.21Bejittwell he's prot, he can do that :P
11:52.57the-golem...
11:53.03the-golemhe blacksmith engy?
11:53.07Arcaiayep
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11:53.11the-golemfuck i should do that
11:53.21the-golemmining/bs
11:53.27Arcaiahe farmed 90% of the blacksmithing mats before he dropped mining ;)
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11:53.33Arcaiabought the rest
11:53.46the-golemyeah
11:53.48the-golemgood idea
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11:53.52Arcaialook at his exalted/revered reps ;)
11:54.07Bejittyou have a ton of solid gems, but no mongoose? /sad
11:54.12the-golemi know
11:54.18the-golemwe been sharding alot of kara
11:54.19the-golembut
11:54.24the-golemi dont get any shards
11:54.31the-golemim unlucky
11:54.46Bejittyou random them? o.O
11:54.46the-golemplus, i know that once i get mongoose
11:54.49Arcaiayou the maintank?
11:54.55CodayusWait, what does luck have to do with it?
11:54.58the-golemkings will drop
11:55.19the-golemArcaia: for my group yeah
11:55.20Arcaiawelcome to wow -> insert loot table problem -> thank you for playing wow
11:55.31darxethdoes anyone by chance know a good program like ms frontpage to build websites?
11:55.32the-golemlol
11:55.38Arrowmasternotepad
11:55.45Bejitttraveling salesman -> traveling raider
11:55.50the-golemBejitt: yeah they do highest/lowest
11:55.51Codayusdarxeth: Good programs aren't like frontpage.  :-)
11:55.52nevcairielArrowmaster: comeone, at least give him notepad++
11:55.56the-golemor whatever, roll
11:56.09darxethCodayus i know but i dont have time for coding and shit
11:56.15Arcaiadarxeth: Notepad is a solid choice, metapad a second good choice
11:56.17Arrowmasterdreamweaver
11:56.28Arcaiafireworks MX
11:56.33CodayusArrowmaster: Good suggestion.
11:56.42the-golemdarxeth: your question failes, "good program" and "frontpage" do not belong in teh same sentance
11:56.43darxethi'll check it in youtube :D
11:56.45Arcaiaand Adobe GoLive!
11:56.45nevcairielhas anyone used the latest dreamweaver yet?
11:56.48nevcairielthat one in CS3
11:57.00the-golemunless theres "is not a" in there also :P
11:57.02Arcaiano -> never will.
11:57.24ArcaiaCS2 & Notepad
11:57.28Diao!c us blackrock diaox
11:57.30ThraeBotDiao: Diaox, Level 70 Orc Warrior (10/5/46). 14394 HP; 15014 Armour; 746 AP; 141.900 Melee DPS; 9.78% melee crit; 17 melee hit; 339 defense; 21.10% dodge; 26.41% block;[[ TBR: 1097 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2cmtba ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2mo3yt ][ Updated: Sun Oct 21 08:00:43 2007 EST ]]
11:57.31Arcaiatoo cheap to upgrade ;P
11:57.58the-golemi have CS2
11:58.03darxethThrae reported to blizz!!! :o
11:58.05the-golemi never use it ^^
11:58.05Bejittraiding prot build? nowai!
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11:58.52Diaoi need 2 more upgrades from kara :(
11:59.13Arcaia!c us Shattered Hand Frugaly
11:59.15ThraeBotArcaia: Frugaly, Level 39 Draenei Hunter (0/0/30). 2455 HP; 1635 Mana; 71 mana regen; 487 AP; 68.400 Melee DPS; 20.48% melee crit; 429 RAP; 80.20 Ranged DPS; 20.72% ranged crit; 19.83% dodge; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 717 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yr62j7 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/33kkqm ][ Updated: Sun Oct 21 08:02:28 2007 EST ]]
11:59.18darxethguess i'll go for dreamweaver ;p
11:59.28Arcaiahrm.
11:59.41BejittDiao: omg bracers?
11:59.44Arcaiamy hunter could almost beat an undergeared 70
11:59.46Azure!c eu Kargath Duglum
11:59.48ThraeBotAzure: Duglum, Level 70 Undead Mage (43/18/0). 7753 HP; 10046 Mana; 169 mana regen; 25 mp5; 340 spell crit; 113 spell hit; 1182 +spell dmg; 5.18% dodge; 37 resilience; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 610 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2y27gl ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2tbulk ][ Updated: Sun Oct 21 08:03:01 2007 EST ]]
11:59.54Arcaiathat one actually
11:59.54Azurelove that bot :)
12:00.15Arcaia!vs eu Kargath Duglum us Shattered Hand Frugaly
12:00.16ThraeBotArcaia: Duglum vs Frugaly! Duglum has +31 lvls on Frugaly (70 vs 39); A L70 mage and a L39 hunter square off!; 43/18/0 vs 0/0/30; Duglum wins by 422 TBRs! ***OWNED!***
12:00.24Arcaiaahh well
12:00.25Diaoyea my bracers are terrible
12:00.27Diaoand belt
12:00.32Bejittyea :/
12:00.41Diaoi saw the bracers from attumen
12:00.43Diaofirst week i ran kara
12:00.45ArcaiaFrugaly has 717 TBR -> Duglum 610
12:00.52Diaobut our other tank won them
12:00.53Bejittoh that sucks
12:00.58ArcaiaTHEREFORE! -> I Wins.
12:00.59Diao14 weeks later
12:01.02Azurehehe :)
12:01.04Diaoi have not seen a single pair
12:01.07Diaosince then...
12:01.33CIA-1203nargiddley 07Alpha * r52776 10Ace3/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
12:01.33CIA-12Ace3 - AceGUI: Checkbox labels no longer extend outside the control
12:01.33CIA-12AceConfigDialog: fix multiselect group not being full width
12:01.35Azure!c eu Kargath Aib
12:01.37ThraeBotAzure: Aib, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (8/7/46). 17959 HP; 17480 Armour; 778 AP; 150.800 Melee DPS; 9.29% melee crit; 99 melee hit; 401 defense; 28.13% dodge; 26.18% block; 10 nature resist (+10); +33 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 918 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yslgsj ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2nv7xz ][ Updated: Sun Oct 21 08:04:49 2007 EST ]]
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12:02.03Diaoi really wonder how tbr is calculated
12:02.08Arcaia~tbr
12:02.08purlrumour has it, tbr is ThraeBot Ratings -- a ThraeBot innovation. Working on a PvP-oriented weighted algorithm for what stats the Armoury currently has for your character, partially modified by build-type, it can be used to pit two characters in TBR vs TBR combat, and tries try to take into account which classes are fighting. (or "to be released")
12:02.08Azureno idea..
12:02.25the-golemDiao: i got 3 drops my first day
12:02.26Bejittyea, it took HKM+Lurker 4 months to drop bracers for me... was using some green ones from netherstorm until then >_<
12:02.32the-golemand another the day after :P
12:02.46Arcaiasure you could ask Thrae for the algorithm
12:02.49Diaooh i got like
12:02.55Arcaiaand stack it in your favor ;)
12:02.58Diaohaha
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12:03.03Bejittthe 'best part' was that they EACH dropped their bracers the first time the same week >_>
12:03.06Diaowell i'm sure if i logged out in my pvp gear
12:03.10Bejittand then... kept dropping for a month
12:03.13CIA-1203bam * r52777 10ItemPrice-1.1/ItemPrice-1.1.lua:
12:03.13CIA-12ItemPrice-1.1:
12:03.13CIA-12- Price updates
12:03.15Diaos2/deep thunder etc
12:03.17Diao:P
12:03.20Diaoit'd be much higher
12:03.22Diaosince it's pvp oriented
12:03.50Diaowe did a 3hr kara full clear today
12:03.55Diaobrought a new lock in
12:03.56Arcaiasame here >.>
12:03.58Diaohe got 7 upgrades
12:04.00Diaoin a run...
12:04.00Azurewrathmy Bracers from Winterchill dropped at the very first kill.. but i disconnected in between and was unable to loot and therefore unable to bid.. never dropped since then :/
12:04.09Arcaianoone in our group got a single upgrade >.>
12:04.09Diaoit took me like 10 weeks to get 7 upgrades
12:04.14Arcaiaall priest healer gear dropped
12:04.19Arcaiano priest healers ;P
12:04.21BejittAzurewrath: ouch >_<
12:04.24Diaoi wanted to cry
12:04.31Bibi`Azurewrath : my dragonstalker helm didn't drop in 23 kills
12:04.32Diaoif only i had that kind of luck
12:04.38Arcaiawhat opera did you get?
12:04.43Bibi`and I had connection problems when it dropped during the 24th
12:04.45Bibi`:/
12:04.47Diaor&j
12:05.28Diaolock got gloves off attumen, boots from maiden, pants off opera, shoulders off aran, trash epic belt, mindblade, and t4 helm
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12:05.30Diao:(
12:05.44the-golemMINDBLADE?
12:05.46Diaoyea
12:05.47the-golemthat shit NEVER drops
12:05.49the-golemlol
12:05.55Diaomy guild is lucky with mindblades
12:05.59Diaowe've gotten 7
12:06.01the-golemdamn
12:06.03Diaoin the 15 weeks of kara we did
12:06.05BejittAzurewrath: class?
12:06.12AzurewrathBejitt: Mage
12:06.16Diaowe get gorehowls mindblades and light's justices
12:06.17the-golemwe still dont do 3 hour karas
12:06.19Diaonever seen a malchazeen
12:06.20the-golemwe goof off too much
12:06.25Bejittahh
12:06.29the-golemplus
12:06.32the-golemprince is gay
12:06.37Diaolol
12:06.38Diaoprince is so easy
12:06.39the-golemstupid ass luck fight
12:06.50the-golemi never said he was hard
12:06.58Diaoit's not luck at all if you know where to position him >.>
12:07.06the-golemyeah
12:07.12the-golemi heard about that exploit
12:07.17the-golembut
12:07.24Azurewrathoh and i will still use a blue cloak with 2.3.. Prince, Moroes, Maulgar, Kael.. never dropped a single cloak when i was there.
12:07.33the-golemi *think* we tried there once (before i heard about it) and it failed
12:07.34Diaolol
12:07.43Bejittyea i'm still using a blue cloak too :X
12:07.53Bejittnothing else is as balanced
12:08.13the-golemBejitt: i swap between my thorium weave and some green one i have with defense
12:08.21Diaono devilshark?
12:08.27the-golemits like 1 point less on stats with the lvl 63 cloak
12:08.28Diaoi'm using devilshark until i get phoenix wing
12:08.31the-golemfrom somewhere
12:08.38Diaoor the heroic badges cloak next patch
12:08.45the-golemno devilshark
12:08.52the-golemwont drop for me lol
12:08.54Diao:\
12:08.59Bejittdevilshark is pretty nice for tanking
12:09.01Arcaiait feels weird
12:09.05Diaobest tanking cloak until phoenix wing
12:09.06Diaoatm
12:09.09Diaofor warrior at lesat
12:09.09the-golemyeah
12:09.14Arcaiathe person's account that my warlock is on
12:09.17CIA-1203mikk 07Alpha * r52778 10Ace3/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
12:09.17CIA-12Ace3 - AceConsole:
12:09.17CIA-12- Change "end of string" indicator position from 1e99 to 1e9. It turns out that substr("hi",1e99) returns "hi" rather than "". Doh.
12:09.21the-golem...
12:09.22Diaohttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=33593 will be better though next patch
12:09.25Arcaiajust asked me if they could play on it for n hour or two
12:09.25the-golemi forgot what i was looking for
12:09.31Diaofor 35 heroic badges, almost as good as phoenix wing
12:09.46Argolassorry guyz, what is the module name in prat for link item in created channel?
12:09.55AzurewrathDiao: the heroic cloaks are crap.
12:10.03Diaouhh?
12:10.06Bejittgogo druid cloak
12:10.10Azurewrathat least for Mages.
12:10.23Diaothey're pvp cloaks
12:10.28the-golembah
12:10.28Diaoexcept for the tanking one
12:10.38Azurewrathyes, and i don't care about pvp.
12:10.38the-golemthose 2 cloaks arent really warrior tank
12:10.43the-golemmore druid stuff
12:10.47the-golem+dodge
12:10.53Diaoeh
12:10.56Diaododge is still nice
12:11.00Argolassorry guyz, what is the module name in prat for link item in created channel?
12:11.02Diaoand there isn't really a better cloak
12:11.05Diaouhh
12:11.06Bejittwell, it's druid-y, but it's still good for warriors
12:11.06the-golemyeah
12:11.26Bejittjust like the rings you all wear with just +armor and +Sta :P
12:11.32CIA-1203bam * r52779 10ItemPriceTooltip/ItemPriceTooltip.lua:
12:11.32CIA-12ItemPriceTooltip:
12:11.32CIA-12- Two hacks(!) implemented to potentially get item count when
12:11.32CIA-12GameTooltip:SetHyperlink() is called. First checks if a second argument is given
12:11.32CIA-12to SetHyperlink (Bagnon uses this hack). Second, checks if the owner of the
12:11.33CIA-12tooltip has a "count" field. (Blizzard's SetItemButtonCount actually sets this
12:11.34Orionshockckknight:
12:11.37Diaochatlink i think Argolas
12:11.37CIA-12field on the button.)
12:11.37the-golemmy kara group never does netherspite or nightbane
12:11.39Orionshockckknight: ping
12:11.39the-golem:-(
12:11.44the-golemever *cry*
12:11.57Diaowell i really can't see a better cloak than PWC for warrior even
12:12.06Diaoi've tried searching wowhead for any cloaks
12:12.07Diaolol
12:14.57Diaohmm
12:15.02Bejittimo just stick with devilshark
12:15.10Diaocan't wait for 2.3, +4 stats to ring enchant available to non-hyjal raiders
12:15.11the-golemyeah
12:15.25the-golemBejitt: another thing thats lacking
12:15.28BatosWhat dependency does Gladiator have?
12:15.28Diaothey need an upgraded version of devilshark for warrs
12:15.31Diaotattle, Batos
12:15.36BatosOnly that?
12:15.39the-golemdecent non-raid prot plate
12:15.40Arcaiahttp://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/21/breakfast-topic-yeah-what-eyonix-said/
12:15.47the-golemchestpiece*
12:15.48ArcaiaEyonix wtf pwned some QQer
12:15.49ArcaiaRofl.
12:16.05Diaolol
12:16.10Diaoafaik yes Batos
12:16.28Diaothere's 3 good chestpieces preraid
12:16.42Diaojadeskull, aldor revered, and mag'har one (for horde)
12:16.50Diaodunno if there's alliance equivalent
12:16.52ArcaiaI play Rogue.
12:16.59the-golemBejitt: considering how my guild seems to NEVER EVER do nightbane, im considering getting that new badge chest
12:17.04ArcaiaThere's like... 0 -great- things available pre-raid.
12:17.08the-golemeven though its for "pallys"
12:17.08Diaoheroics
12:17.13Diaopants off quag etc
12:17.18the-golemDiao: i have jadeskull
12:17.20Arcaiaquag pants are nice
12:17.21ArcaiaI have em
12:17.25Arcaianot that great though
12:17.33ArcaiaSkulker's are still a better upgrade by far.
12:17.48Diaoall the badge items seem pretty great
12:17.52ArcaiaPre-raid you can hardly get 200 hit rating with great attempt.
12:17.56Diaowell yeah
12:17.58Bejittthe-golem: convince them not to fail at NB then?
12:18.07the-golemhehe
12:18.09ArcaiaRogue's primary raid stat -> hit raiting.
12:18.12Arcaiarating*
12:18.19Diaoyeah really
12:18.22cncfanaticsbtw, anyone know what they're changing about hit rating ?
12:18.23ArcaiaAnd it's even worse post-ptr.
12:18.27cncfanaticsI heard the hit cap will be higher
12:18.28DiaoNB is stupid easy compared to prince
12:18.31ArcaiaPTR max hit is like -> 263
12:18.32the-golemBejitt: that badge one would be pretty fucking nice anyway, even if it does have +damage/healing
12:18.34Diaowhat
12:18.35Arcaia363*
12:18.37Codayuscncfanatics: They aren't changing anything about hit rating.
12:18.45Diaoi never heard about a hit rating change
12:18.46CodayusHowever, weapon skill is being removed as a stat.
12:18.48ArcaiaCodayus: they are changing weapon skill.
12:18.53Bejittthe only thing that's changing is that rogues will need more now
12:18.57Diaoall weapon skill -> weapon expertise
12:18.58Arcaiawhich affects max hit needed.
12:18.59Diaoafaik
12:19.00Bejittb/c of weapon skill
12:19.01CodayusSo you can't get the "free" 3% hit from 5 weapon skill.
12:19.08cncfanaticsmeh
12:19.10cncfanaticssucks
12:19.13Diaothey're removing the talent?
12:19.20cncfanaticsconverting it to expertise
12:19.21Bejittno, retooling it
12:19.23Diaowell
12:19.24cncfanaticswhich gives less change to be dodged
12:19.26ArcaiaDiao-> expertise is nice -> 100% hit is nice too.
12:19.27cncfanaticsnot bad either, but well
12:19.31Diaohm
12:19.32CodayusGood on balance...
12:19.34Arcaiaor 99% or what not.
12:19.35Bejittyea, that's kinda hot too
12:19.44Bejittis it 4% for rogues?
12:19.44Diaoi thought expertise was the same thing as skill with a new name so they don't have to have individual weapons
12:19.46cncfanaticsits 100% for melee, arcaia
12:19.48Arcaianow people will start stacking expertise
12:19.50Bejitttotal w/ the talent
12:19.53CodayusDiao: Entirely different effects.
12:19.56Diaobecause weapon expertise applies to all weapons instead of just 1 specific one
12:19.59Arcaiagotta get 6.5% dodge/parry lowerage
12:20.04BejittArcaia: you only need 6% or so
12:20.10Arcaia6.5% ;P
12:20.13cncfanatics5.5-6% will do
12:20.13Bejitt;P
12:20.15Diaooh expertise only works on dodge and parry
12:20.16Arcaiaand still 250 hit is nice.
12:20.19Diaoinstead of dodge parry miss
12:20.23Arcaiaaye
12:20.29Arcaiawell
12:20.30Diaonot that bosses EVER parry melee
12:20.32Bejittparry isnt the issue :P
12:20.32CodayusDiao: Incorrect, weapon skill did NOT work on dodges or parry.
12:20.36Diaosince they attack from behind o_o
12:20.41Arcaiahit rating never affected dodge parry
12:20.44BejittDiao: they do parry 'tarded melee
12:20.48Diaohit rating didn't, weapon skill did
12:20.53Diaodoes*
12:21.02Arcaiayea, but not as much as expertise ;P
12:21.07ArcaiaI like the expertise change
12:21.13the-golemmy melee is retarded
12:21.15the-golemi have like
12:21.16Diaolol
12:21.19the-golemZERO hit
12:21.21Arcaiabut not that it cut out the hit cap >.>
12:21.24Diaoyea
12:21.25the-golemi miss all the time
12:21.28the-golemis gay
12:21.31Diaothe nice thing about expertise
12:21.32Diaois for tanks
12:21.32Arcaiagotta have 60 to never hit specials
12:21.37Arcaiaaye
12:21.41Diaoinstead of getting hit gear we can get expertise
12:21.43Bejitti want my 2% back from that ptr patch >:(    (warrior)
12:21.48Arcaiabut getting backstabs dodge sucks also
12:21.56Diaogo combat dagger!
12:21.57Arcaiawasted 60 energy with no combo point to refresh snd.
12:22.00cncfanaticshmmmz, what is change to miss vs a boss ?
12:22.05Arcaiai am combat dagger >.>
12:22.05cncfanaticss/change/chance/
12:22.10Diaoor wait
12:22.13Diaododge wtf
12:22.17the-golemi still dont quite get expertise
12:22.21the-golembut *shrug*
12:22.31Diaochance to miss is currently 28% dual wield
12:22.36cncfanaticseek
12:22.36Diaoagainst a raid boss
12:22.39cncfanatics5% from precision
12:22.39Arcaiaaye.
12:22.42cncfanaticsso 23%
12:22.42the-golemwhat is expertize meant to bypass?
12:22.43Arcaia23%
12:22.48Arcaiadodge/parry
12:22.48Diaododge/parry the-golem
12:22.54CIA-1203ammo * r52780 10/branches/FishermansFriend/:
12:22.54CIA-12FishermansFriend: Initial folder creation
12:22.54CIA-12- Simple Ace3 testing addon based on Fishing Ace
12:22.58Arcaia23%
12:22.59the-golemand +hit is just miss?
12:23.02Arcaia16 hit = 1%
12:23.06Codayusthe-golem: This is correct.
12:23.09Bejittwait, what's the DW penalty again?
12:23.13the-golemooh
12:23.16Diaodw penalty is 25% base
12:23.22Diaoplus 1% per level
12:23.24cncfanatics+3% for higher lvl
12:23.32CIA-1203ammo 07Ace3 * r52781 10FishermansFriend/: Created folder remotely
12:23.32the-golemand u only need like 6% expertise for bosses?
12:23.32Diaoand raid bosses are considered 73, so +3% for that
12:23.33Arcaia368 hit needed.
12:23.36CodayusThis makes expertise a good stat for melee DPS (reduction of dodge), and a freaking amazing stat for tanks.
12:23.43Diaoyes
12:23.47Diaoand the best thing is
12:23.49Bejittyou answered that wrong i think o.O
12:23.50the-golem:-)
12:23.57Diaowarriors gain +6 expertise with 3 into defiance (required tanking talent)
12:24.00Bejitt5% base, +20% with DW?
12:24.01Arcaiabejitt -> 16 hit = 1% ;P
12:24.06Diaowhich is 1.5% anti-dodge/parry
12:24.16Arcaiaoffhand = 28%
12:24.30the-golemBejitt: only 6 rating?
12:24.33Bejittomg
12:24.45Balstorboth weapons get 28%
12:24.45the-golem*brings up mmo-champion*
12:24.45Bejittgonna have to look it up >_>
12:24.48Arcaiahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Hit
12:24.54Arcaia15.8 = 1%
12:25.44BejittOK, the DW penalty is 19%
12:25.59Bejittso base 9%, plus the penalty is 28% total
12:26.05Bejitt:p
12:26.15Arcaiaaye
12:26.23CIA-1203ammo 07Ace3 * r52782 10FishermansFriend/ (FishermansFriend.lua FishermansFriend.toc):
12:26.23CIA-12FishermansFriend:
12:26.23CIA-12- Initial import of files
12:26.23CIA-12- Double rightclick casting of fishingline
12:26.23CIA-12- Autoloot toggle, sounds enhancement toggle
12:26.24CIA-12- /fmf for a config dialog
12:26.25Arcaia5% precision
12:26.28Arcaia23%
12:26.36cncfanaticsare they changing racials too btw ?
12:26.41cncfanaticsor are those still wpn skill ?
12:26.42Arcaia-a 363.4
12:26.52Arcaia363.4 hit needed =)
12:26.53Diaoracials got nerfed
12:26.57Balstorracials become 1% to crit
12:26.58Arcaiaas I originally said =D
12:26.58Diaoto 1% crit
12:27.00Diao:(
12:27.07Bejittthe 'great' thing about the skill removal is that difference between +2 lvls and +3 lvls
12:27.13cncfanaticsmeh, racials gonna suck then
12:27.13Diaoreally harsh on us orc and human tanks
12:27.30the-golemaaaah
12:27.33Diaolosing 5 weapon skill worth ~3% hit
12:27.36the-golemactual expertise, not rating
12:27.38Diaofor 1% crit
12:27.38ArgolasI use cartographer and when I click on an icon boss this message popup in the chat 14:26:30 [Cartographer_InstanceLoot] PT3 has no table InstanceLoot.Serpentshrine Cavern.The Lurker Below
12:27.38the-golem:-)
12:27.40Arcaiaunless you tank with a bow !
12:27.43*** join/#wowace Ozguli` (n=probli@e83-245-142-211.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
12:27.44Arcaiaor gun !
12:27.49Ozguli`Big one!
12:27.49Diaowell
12:27.50Diaono
12:27.55Diaoonly dwarves and trolls get that bonus ;)
12:27.59Arcaiaaye.
12:28.06Ozguli`Hm.. I don't even know what you were talking about
12:28.10Diaoit's a huge nerf to orcs and humans :(
12:28.14CodayusThe net effect of the expertise change is positive, even for human tanks...
12:28.32Codayus...nelf/troll hunters get a bit screwed though.  :-)
12:28.36ArgolasI use cartographer and when I click on an icon boss this message popup in the chat 14:26:30 [Cartographer_InstanceLoot] PT3 has no table InstanceLoot.Serpentshrine Cavern.The Lurker Below
12:28.37Arcaia<- human
12:28.38Diaoerm
12:28.40Diaowell
12:28.43the-golemyeah
12:28.44Ozguli`is there some addon to hide default buffs if one uses elk or something to show them fancily?
12:28.51the-golembecause there is no bow expertise
12:28.52the-golembut
12:28.52Diaouh
12:28.57Diaoebb should autohide the default buffs
12:28.57Bejittelk should hide them
12:29.02the-golemyou cant block/dodge/parry arrows
12:29.12Diaoit's a buff to ranged classes
12:29.12the-golemonly have htem miss
12:29.16Bejittthe-golem: arrows can be blocked
12:29.21Diaoconverting from weapon skill -> crit
12:29.21the-golemorly?
12:29.23the-golemwell
12:29.27Bejittif you've ever played a hunter, you'd know :D
12:29.31Diaoyea just can't dodge/parry
12:29.33the-golemstill has nothign to do with expertise
12:29.33Balstorjust means as a tank i now need 5% to hit and 5% expertise (around 100 hit rating and someeting expertise rating)
12:29.35Bejittit's kinda odd
12:29.48Codayusthe-golem: Right, but they're going from 3% hit to 1% crit.  That's a loss.  In exchange, their gear gets reitemized to have more crit and miss, but the old weapon skill was giving them some hit already.
12:29.54the-golemBejitt : i have a 39 hunter, but i really only notice misses
12:29.54BejittBalstor: 9% to hit :(
12:30.13Diaowait what
12:30.15the-golemCodayus: nelf dont have a 3% hit ..
12:30.16Arcaiathe-golem -> twink?
12:30.16Diaoit's not 3% hit for ranged
12:30.21Balstoryhea 9% sorry just woke up
12:30.25Diaosince enemy can't dodge or parry it
12:30.26Bejittand.. doesnt dodge/block/parry increase with level difference?
12:30.28the-golemor am i confused?
12:30.33Arcaiathe-golem -> twink?
12:30.35the-golemArcaia: not *really*
12:30.43Arcaia!c us shattered hand frugaly
12:30.44Ozguli`checked around, must be the other addons causing trouble
12:30.44ThraeBotArcaia: Frugaly, Level 39 Draenei Hunter (0/0/30). 2455 HP; 1635 Mana; 71 mana regen; 487 AP; 68.400 Melee DPS; 20.48% melee crit; 429 RAP; 80.20 Ranged DPS; 20.72% ranged crit; 19.83% dodge; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 717 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yr62j7 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/33kkqm ][ Updated: Sun Oct 21 08:02:28 2007 EST ]]
12:30.48the-golemi dont have crappy gear tho
12:30.51ArgolasI use cartographer and when I click on an icon boss this message popup in the chat 14:26:30 [Cartographer_InstanceLoot] PT3 has no table InstanceLoot.Serpentshrine Cavern.The Lurker Below
12:30.52Arcaiathere's my 39 hunter =P
12:30.55Arcaiatwanked.
12:30.56the-golemnot super crappy
12:30.56Balstorand warriors gear didn't get re itemized all the did was pull weapon skill and replace it with expertise
12:31.02Ozguli`off searching ace unitframes then
12:31.04Diaodid you update pt3?
12:31.08the-golem!c us drak'thul rhianwyn
12:31.10ThraeBotthe-golem: Rhianwyn, Level 39 Night Elf Hunter (23/5/2). 1578 HP; 1860 Mana; 73 mana regen; 7.01% melee crit; 341 RAP; 65.00 Ranged DPS; 12.21% ranged crit; 9.31% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 468 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrjend ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2l3q3a ][ Updated: Sun Oct 21 08:34:22 2007 EST ]]
12:31.20ArcaiaI win =)
12:31.22Diaoyeah they need to reitemize warrior gear properly
12:31.25Diaoer tank gear
12:31.28the-golemhehe
12:31.30Diaoto give both hit and expertise
12:31.36Diaosince skill gave both :\
12:31.39ArcaiaPaladins in Kara gear can get 25k health now >.>
12:31.43the-golemlike i said, its not a twink :P
12:31.44cncfanaticsthey can ? :o
12:31.47Arcaiayep
12:31.52the-golemArcaia: wtf
12:31.53cncfanaticshow ? :o
12:32.04cncfanaticsI'm full kara gear with 13ish k hp lol
12:32.11the-golemwarriors are stuck with goddamn 15k
12:32.14the-golemthats BS
12:32.17Bejitthe means buffed i think
12:32.18Diaoare you stacking stam gems
12:32.27Diaofully buffed i'm at 18k hp
12:32.27cncfanaticseven with stacking & buffed u can't get 25k
12:32.33the-golemBejitt: same here
12:32.34Diaothat includes fort kings commanding and imp
12:32.36Arcaiahttp://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z113/CateranEnforcer/WoWScrnShot_101607_170615.jpg
12:32.37cncfanaticsArcaia, tell us how, or do u mean netherspite ?
12:32.40Diaoon my warrior
12:32.40Arcaiaon ptr
12:32.54cncfanaticshow the fuck ?
12:32.59BejittArcaia: first off, Merc MH
12:33.01Diaooh i don't have mark or food
12:33.06Diaolooks like
12:33.10Diao51 stam trinkets
12:33.12Balstorwell 95 stam in the trinket slot....
12:33.14Diaodarkmoon cards
12:33.18Diaoand what's the other one
12:33.20cncfanaticsI have that too
12:33.21Diaoi don't recognize it
12:33.28Bejittand is that the t5 crafted belt?
12:33.32Arcaiagoblin rocket launcher
12:33.34Diaothen violet signet of great protector, some other ring
12:33.37cncfanatics1.6k sta & 17k armor is not possible in kara gear
12:33.41Diaobattlescar boots,
12:33.44Diaodevo aura
12:33.49Diaoso ~15.5k armor unbuffed
12:33.58Diaowhich is around where my warrior is at right now in almost full kara
12:34.01the-golemdood wtf
12:34.02Balstorand the tanking goggles are like 61 stam ( more than T5 actually)
12:34.06the-golemi dont even have 1k stamina
12:34.12the-golemwell almost
12:34.17Diaoi've got uh
12:34.21Diao997 unbuffed or something
12:34.24Balstorhe has 1653 staminia
12:34.29Diao998 unbuffed*
12:34.36Diaowell
12:34.37cncfanaticsI'm around 1k too
12:34.39the-golemBalstor: yes we can see the screenshot ^^
12:34.43cncfanaticswhere the fuck did u get those 600 from ?
12:34.43Diaowith mark, kings, fort, blood pact
12:34.47ArcaiaWeapon Expertise (Protection) renamed Combat Expertise, now increases expertise by 1/2/3/4/5 and total Stamina by 2/4/6/8/10%
12:34.52Diaofort gives 100
12:34.56cncfanaticsomg
12:34.59Diaopact gives 83?
12:34.59cncfanaticsWOW
12:35.00Arcaiafor gives 79
12:35.07Diaono it's 100 when improved
12:35.07Arcaiaand blood pact gives 79 >.>
12:35.09cncfanaticstotal sta increases by 10% ? sick
12:35.21cncfanaticswish I still played my tankadin
12:35.31Diaopact should give 100some when improved as well
12:35.39the-golemcncfanatics: yeah trying to really make tankadins more viable
12:35.43Arcaia79
12:35.50cncfanaticsmeh, I quit my tankadin a while ago
12:35.52cncfanaticsdamn dead server
12:36.03Diaooh
12:36.04Arcaiahttp://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27268
12:36.11Diaook
12:36.17Diaowell i know fort is definitely 100
12:36.24Arcaiayou're right
12:36.26Chompers!c eu kul tiras Sorken
12:36.26Arcaiafort is 100
12:36.28ThraeBotChompers: Sorken, Level 70 Night Elf Warrior (13/0/48). 15354 HP; 17267 Armour; 762 AP; 149.700 Melee DPS; 9.05% melee crit; 15 melee hit; 11 +spell dmg/heal; 391 defense; 28.07% dodge; 26.91% block; 10 nature resist (+10); +33 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 1740 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2zlv27 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3dvl76 ][ Updated: Sun Oct 21 08:39:41 2007 EST ]]
12:36.31Arcaiai knew one was 79 though
12:36.36CodayusOh, to address my earlier comment, I of course meant dwarf hunters got screwed by losing 3% hit, not nelf hunters.  :-)
12:36.43Diaothen uh
12:36.46Codayus(I know, I'm like, 10 minutes late.)
12:37.05Diaoimp mark gives 19
12:37.06Arcaia30 stam food
12:37.09Diaoyea
12:37.19cncfanaticsArcaia, that makes palatanks quite viable
12:37.19Arcaiacommanding shout
12:37.21cncfanaticshigh sta, never crushed
12:37.23Diaoso total is 228 extra stam
12:37.25Diaoplus kings
12:37.26Arcaiaand 10% from kings
12:37.29Diaoso assume 1k base
12:37.32Arcaiaand 10% from talent
12:37.37cncfanatics13% from talents
12:37.40the-golemthey need to do that to vitality
12:37.41cncfanaticsimproved DS also gives sta
12:37.42Diaoisn't it 16% from talents
12:37.44Bejitthttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=30034  is the belt
12:37.45Diaofor imp DS
12:37.48the-golem5% stam is gay
12:37.53CodayusAnd yeah, paladins needed stam buff heavily.
12:37.56the-golemshould be 5% str and 10% stam
12:38.01the-golem^^
12:38.03cncfanaticsmeh, wish my palatank was not on a dead server now
12:38.06cncfanaticsI'd be so happy
12:38.14nevcairielmove it
12:38.19Diaoso 228 bonus, then multiply by 1.16
12:38.19cncfanaticson cooldown
12:38.25cncfanaticsand on a damn pve server
12:38.26Diaogives 265
12:38.35cncfanaticspvp is so much more fun, started on a pvp one recently with a rogue
12:38.36Diaoassume 1k base for 1265, apply kings after
12:38.51Diao1391 stam
12:38.52CodayusIt's pretty odd; most top raid guilds are...on pvp servers.  :-/
12:38.56cncfanaticsya
12:38.57Diaostill missing 250 stam somewhere
12:39.06Diaocommanding gives straight hp, not stam so...
12:39.09cncfanatics16% from talents
12:39.16Diaooh
12:39.17Arcaiayea 16%
12:39.19Diaoright, 1k base is too low
12:39.28Diaosince my warrior has 1k base with only 5% bonus stam
12:39.48Diaoshould be ~1100 base i guess
12:40.07Diaobut yes that is ridiculous
12:40.23the-golemyeah somethings wrong
12:40.24the-golem^^
12:40.31Diaopallies kept posting on warrior forums saying that they will still have less hp than warrior after the stam buff
12:40.33cncfanaticsthat talent is just win
12:40.35Diaolooks like they were lying
12:40.43*** join/#wowace Wixti (n=wixti@64.113.3.213.cust.bluewin.ch)
12:40.47Diao"we can't make up 1200 base hp difference plus 390 from your khorium gun"
12:40.48cncfanaticsmakes me want to reroll another palla on kazzak
12:41.02Orionshocktek
12:41.05Orionshockhe loged
12:41.06Orionshock:(
12:41.11the-golemDiao: lol?
12:41.19the-golem1200 base HP?
12:41.19Arcaiadiao they technically do >.>
12:41.31Diaoyeah
12:41.32cncfanaticswarriors, have 1.2k more base hp (naked hp) then palas
12:41.36Diaowarriors have a 1200 hp base advantage
12:41.37Diaoover pally
12:41.38the-golemaah
12:41.41the-golemhadnt realized
12:41.47Diaothe problem is
12:41.49Diao16% bonus stam
12:41.51Diaoscales far too well
12:41.53cncfanaticsah well, guess now pala hp > warrior hp
12:41.58cncfanaticsFUCK U WARRIORS :p
12:41.59Arcaiawarriors fully geared can get equally uncrushable with far better hp.
12:42.00Diaowhich is why they nerfed the warrior vitality from 10% to 5% -_-
12:42.03the-golem*sigh*
12:42.12Arcaiato get that hp -> they have to STACK stamina ;P
12:42.15Diaouh
12:42.18Diaowarriors stack stam too
12:42.18CodayusBefore you feel too sad, the changes to warriors should play out pretty well for tanking.
12:42.25the-golemDiao: it was never 10% was it?
12:42.28Diaoit was
12:42.31Diaowhen they first introduced it
12:42.32cncfanaticsit was in beta me thiks ?
12:42.36Arcaiabut they dont have to stack that much blockrating/avoidancestuffs
12:42.36the-golemoh
12:42.37Diaothen it got nerfed before release
12:42.38Arcaiadefense rating etc.
12:42.42the-golemdidnt pay attention to betah
12:42.49Diaoactually yea
12:42.51Diaolooking at that pally
12:42.54Diaothey've stacked pure stam
12:42.56Diaobut no avoidance
12:43.02Diaoonly 500 def, and really low dodge/parry/block
12:43.05the-golemwith my trink + shieldblock i have 115%
12:43.27Diaobut
12:43.30Diaoat like t6 level gear
12:43.32the-golemthats low dodge/parry/block?
12:43.35Diaouhh
12:43.39Arcaiayes
12:43.41Diaoto me it is
12:43.42the-golempretty close to mine
12:43.44Diaoon my warr
12:43.45the-golem*shrug*
12:43.46Arcaiagott have -> 102.9 ish?
12:43.49Arcaiatotal>
12:43.53Diao21.1% block, 16.52% parry, 26.41% block
12:43.54Arcaiadodge + parry + block
12:43.55Diao102.4
12:43.59Diaododge/parry/block/miss
12:44.00Arcaiathere you go
12:44.13Arcaia590 defense ;P
12:44.14the-golemlol Diao say that again?
12:44.22Diaoto be uncrushable
12:44.29Diaoyou need to have combined block+parry+dodge+miss of 102.4%
12:44.33the-golemooh
12:44.35Diaopallies can do it passively
12:44.37Diaowith holy shield
12:44.42Diaoby stacking avoidance
12:44.53the-golem<PROTECTED>
12:45.00Diao!c us Blackrock Diaox
12:45.01ThraeBotDiao: Diaox, Level 70 Orc Warrior (10/5/46). 14394 HP; 15014 Armour; 746 AP; 141.900 Melee DPS; 9.78% melee crit; 17 melee hit; 339 defense; 21.10% dodge; 26.41% block;[[ TBR: 1097 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2cmtba ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2mo3yt ][ Updated: Sun Oct 21 08:00:43 2007 EST ]]
12:45.23CodayusWarriors don't need to EVER wear block rating gear to get uncrushable, so they can afford to stack more stamina than pallies...
12:45.28DiaoWELL
12:45.31Diaooops capslock
12:45.35Codayus(Assuming shield block charges last.)
12:45.37Diaowe do and we don't
12:45.42Diaoon fights like prince we will get crushed
12:45.48CodayusAnd Morogrim.
12:45.49the-golemah
12:45.50Diaounless we aim for passive uncrushable
12:45.54the-golemi dont have pocketwatch
12:46.00the-golemi let the druid have it first
12:46.01Diaoby stacking block rating gear (heroic badges/za loot)
12:46.03Diaooh
12:46.09CodayusAnd it's easy enough to hit that, but you wouldn't wear that gear for 95% of fights.
12:46.14Diaowe've gotten 5 pocketwatches
12:46.16Diaolol
12:46.17the-golemand like i said
12:46.20Diaogot 4 warriors and a druid with it :x
12:46.20Bejittgah, eff using a warrior to tank TW >_<
12:46.23the-golemi STILL havent gotten devilshark
12:46.25CodayusPallies have to always have that gear equipped except for bosses which can't crush...
12:46.29Diaotrue
12:46.32Diaowell
12:46.41Diaowarriors can be passively uncrushable
12:46.44Diaoin t6 level gear as well
12:46.47Diaolol
12:46.47the-golemlol
12:46.51Diaopretty funny
12:46.55Diaodon't have to shield block at all
12:47.00Diaouse your rage on other abilities
12:47.00CodayusIt's POSSIBLE to be passively uncrushable in Kara level gear, but you wouldn't want to.
12:47.01the-golemi dunno
12:47.10Diaothe scary thing is
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12:47.12Diaopally t6 gear
12:47.12the-golemive shieldblock before and still gotten crushed :-(
12:47.17Diaofor tankadins
12:47.18CodayusAt T6, it's possible to get within about 0.5% of being unhittable, on paper.  Funny as HELL.
12:47.21Diaohas more stam than t6 warrior
12:47.24Diaoprot set
12:47.26Diao...
12:47.26CodayusGive us Sunwell gear...
12:47.29Diaoimagine how muhc hp they will have
12:47.32Diaowith the pally buff
12:47.36Arcaiajust enough
12:47.42Lothaeris there a addon that will allow me to findout formula and enchant IDs?
12:47.49the-golemsooo
12:48.05CodayusTanking is a fine line between stam, avoidance, and threat gen.  I'm not worried about pally stam yet...
12:48.14the-golem1200base hp is worth them having +16% talents vs us with 5%?
12:48.16Arcaiaglowfosho
12:48.17Diaopallies have the last 2 covered easily
12:48.19Arcaiafor formula >.>
12:48.25Arcaiabut thats only weapon enchants ;P
12:48.27Diaosuperior threat gen to warr
12:48.31Diaoespecially on multimob :(
12:48.34Lothaeri am awear of that
12:48.35CodayusEspecially since we don't know how warrior threat gen is being impacted by 2.3.  (My estimate:  Heavily upwards.)
12:48.40the-golemyeah
12:48.41ArcaiaQuit bashing Pally tanks.
12:48.46ArcaiaYou have Rage.
12:48.46Lothaeri want to add more enchants to it
12:48.47the-golemwe're fucked on multimob
12:48.50ArcaiaThey have Manaz/
12:48.58Diaowell
12:49.03Diao2.3 will boost warrior threat gen
12:49.04Diaoinsanely
12:49.05BejittCodayus: my guess is: easier :D
12:49.06the-golemArcaia: you have bubble+heal
12:49.08the-golemso shoooosh
12:49.09the-golem:P
12:49.11Diaoweapon expertise + devastate change
12:49.12Diaois amazing
12:49.16Bejittb/c you wont have to switch between sunder and dev
12:49.16CodayusDiao: Yeah.
12:49.17Diaothey finally made devastate good
12:49.25Diao401 or more threat per devastate
12:49.27Diaoridiculous
12:49.28the-golem*agrees*
12:49.31Diaoand that's just the bonus threat
12:49.32Codayus(Whirlwind + Devestate = prot farming!)
12:49.35Bejittwill Devastate be affected by ImpSunder?
12:49.37Diaoyes
12:49.40CodayusBejitt: Yes!
12:49.42Diaoit will
12:49.44Bejitthawtttt
12:49.44Diao9 rage devastates
12:49.45Bejitthaha
12:49.48the-golemyay
12:49.55Diaoevery application of devastate
12:50.01Diaoactivates an internal trigger of sunder armor as well
12:50.01the-golemadds a sunder
12:50.06Bejittyea i know
12:50.11Diaoit's only as of latest ptr though
12:50.17CodayusSo if we turn to warriors for very high threat single target tanking, paladins for high stam AoE tanking, and druids for um....druid stuff....
12:50.19Diaopreviously it wasn't giving the 301 threat that sunder gives
12:50.23Arcaiathe-golem: I don't have a paladin tank ;P
12:50.25Diaodruids for fights like leotheras
12:50.28Diaowhere you need DPS TANK
12:50.32BejittCodayus: druids for high-threat ;(
12:50.34CodayusHeh, last build of the PTR was charging DOUBLE for devestate too.
12:50.37the-golemArcaia: i tease >.<
12:50.40Diaolol
12:50.40CodayusBejitt: Yeah, the model needs work.
12:50.43Arcaiamy fiancee has a holy paladin and she changed to holy because before prot was weak.
12:50.56Diaothere is one advantage prot pally will have over warrior
12:51.00Diaofarming stuff :(
12:51.07the-golemyeah
12:51.09the-golemalthough
12:51.09CodayusAlthough if they buff cats enough, druids will be the hybrid DPS/tanks.
12:51.13the-golemi like how i can kill mobs
12:51.15Diaowish i could solo farm 300g an hour in UD strat
12:51.19the-golemand use shieldblock
12:51.20Diaoor 4k scryer/aldor rep per hour
12:51.24ArcaiaDruids can die in a fire for rolling on all rogue leather.
12:51.34the-golemand the only damage i take, is from blood rage
12:51.35CodayusWhich is a viable slot.  Prot warriors can't really DPS, and prot pallies REALLY can't.  :-D
12:51.36BejittCodayus: cats are already bufffed @_@
12:51.47the-golemtho it takes a while to kill it ..
12:51.49CodayusBejitt: Yes.  And I'm very glad.  I just hope it's enough.
12:51.50Diaowell
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12:51.51Bejittthat or... our other raiders suck
12:51.52Diaoprot warrs can dps
12:51.54Diaoif they put on dps gear
12:51.59Diaolike today in our kara
12:52.03BejittDiao: not like druids tho
12:52.06Diaolol
12:52.10Diaoi was 3rd on dps today
12:52.12Diaoon aran
12:52.12the-golemDiao: its called, stack block and block rating ;-)
12:52.14Diaonah
12:52.21the-golem<PROTECTED>
12:52.22Diaoi put on full dps gear, dragonmaw and KD dual wield
12:52.25Bejittand if a prot warrior in dps gear out-dpses someone ... yeahhhh something's gotta change
12:52.30Megalonevery melee is topdps on aran
12:52.30CodayusProt DPS on anything but Aran or Solarian though?
12:52.30Diaosundered down aran with 5 stacks
12:52.31Megalon:S
12:52.36Diaothen spam devastate/heroic strike nonstop
12:52.41Diao1800 HS crits
12:52.45Diao1.1k devastate crits
12:52.46Diaononstop
12:52.47Diao:D
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12:52.51CodayusAnd yes, prot warriors SHOULD hit about midway on the DPS charts on Aran.
12:52.55Megalonaran is in permacasting mode, so no parry/dodge
12:52.59Diaosame with uh
12:53.00Megalonand has the lowest armor in kara
12:53.02Diaonetherspite
12:53.05CodayusSolarian
12:53.09Diaoi wreck meters on netherspite
12:53.13Diaomy guild isn't on solarian yet
12:53.20Bejitti always went into aran spammign the hell outta him; nowhere near middle ;o
12:53.21CodayusNetherspite is.....worst example, too many gimmics.
12:53.22Diaowe're just starting ssc/tk
12:53.27Diaolol
12:53.30CodayusDear GOD but a warrior can go nuts in the green beam.
12:53.40Diaoyeah
12:53.42BejittCodayus: i prefer blue
12:53.44Diaobut we bring 2 rogues
12:53.45the-golemthey always but me in red
12:53.46the-golemi think
12:53.55Diaoi'm in red only
12:53.58the-golemthats the HP one
12:53.58Diaoand green if we don't have enough rogues
12:54.03the-golemyah?
12:54.05Arcaiamy game just crashed >.>
12:54.07Diaoblue if one of our locks/spri dies
12:54.08the-golemlike 40k hp?
12:54.11Diaoyeah
12:54.13CodayusDiao: We got into the habit of only having tanks in green, because our rogue CO swore blindly that it didn't effect rogues.
12:54.18Diaolol
12:54.23CodayusHe has since moved on, thankfully.
12:54.28CodayusTHe strategy has stuck with us though.
12:54.29Diaoi have to say though
12:54.31Bejitthaha
12:54.33Diaored beam + warrior
12:54.36Diaosub-20% netherspite
12:54.37Diaois amazing
12:54.38Lothaer~seen bigzero
12:54.40purlbigzero <i=c6251838@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-332e73416e344160> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 7d 15h 17m 39s ago, saying: 'Toadkiller: I was talking about the UI version, not the client version....sometimes they don't match up as nicely as 2.2.x = 20200'.
12:54.40Diaogo battle
12:54.43Diaononstop 100 rage executes
12:54.46Arcaiagreen = healer one doesnt it?
12:54.47Bejittwe used hunters on red when we didnt have enough tanks :o
12:54.51CodayusArcaia: Heavens no.
12:54.53Diaoit's the "healer" beam
12:54.54Bejittand when we didnt have hunters... gogo rogue tanks
12:55.00Diaoit increases healing done
12:55.03CodayusHealers need to stay the hell away from green.  That's the melee beam!
12:55.04Diaoand lowers mana cost of spells
12:55.06DiaoBUT
12:55.09Diaoit drains mana every tick
12:55.14Diaowhich is why you use non-mana classes in it ;p
12:55.19Codayus(I think Bliz wanted healers to go into green, but no good strat does that.)
12:55.21Bejittgreen is good for mana near the end of the rotation tho
12:55.24Diaowell usually we have our healers run into green
12:55.28Diaofor about 4-5 sec
12:55.31Arcaiadoes it affect rogue ability cost?
12:55.33Diaoyes
12:55.36Diaoit affects all ability cost
12:55.36Bejittno Arc
12:55.40Bejittgreen?
12:55.42Diaoyep
12:55.42Bejitto_O
12:55.46Diaoit lowers cost of all abilities for every clsas
12:55.47Arcaiagetting too many answers here
12:55.47Diaoclass*
12:55.53the-golemlol
12:55.55cncfanaticsomg at a rogue in green beam
12:55.56Arcaiathat'd be amazing for a rogue then >.>
12:55.58Diaoi've been in it enough to know
12:56.06Diaowhen i was arms specced in it
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12:56.10Diao15 rage mortal strikes
12:56.13Diaolol
12:56.15the-golemoh shit
12:56.17CodayusArcaia: The green beam lowers rage costs.  And according to everyone but our old rogue CO, energy costs.  Melee in there goes nuts, and it's a good place to stick your tanks.
12:56.19cncfanaticsWTB that on rogue
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12:56.27Diaoyea we put our rogues in it
12:56.32Diao20 energy ss, 30 rage bs
12:56.37cncfanaticsGIEV
12:56.38Diaoafter a few ticks of course
12:56.40CodayusSince you can USUALLY trust a tank to pick the green beam up, and we usually couldn't trust our rogues to tell green from blue if we gave them 3 guesses.
12:56.42Bejitt"Spell and ability cost reduced by 1% per tick (including abilities that require Rage or Energy, in addition to Mana)."
12:56.45Codayus....see previous comments.
12:56.46Bejitthaha i didnt know that :o
12:56.48Bejittowell
12:56.56Bejittthought it was just spells
12:57.00Diaoand always have a lock/spri in the blue beam
12:57.05Diaosince they can keep themselves up lol
12:57.09cncfanaticshmmmmz
12:57.10Diaofor full duration
12:57.11Bejittyou know, since it reduced _mana_
12:57.16Diaoand 50k curse of dooms
12:57.22CodayusAffliction lock > shadow priest > other locks.  Drain Life is SICK.
12:57.23Diaonear the end of the rotation
12:57.26Diaoyeah
12:57.31Diaowe put a shadow priest for the second rotation
12:57.35Diaobecause VT + that
12:57.36Diaois ridiculous
12:57.37CodayusBut it's easy enough to see a spriest top the healing meters with VE alone...
12:57.43Arcaiawell hell
12:57.48Arcaiaill start asking for green beam now
12:57.50Diaoit fills our healers mana bars to max
12:57.52Arcaiabecause I -can- tell.
12:57.55Codayus(I'll be honest, Netherspite is one freaking fun fight.)
12:57.56Diaowhen a shadow priest goes in
12:58.22Bejittit's fun, but the planning stage can be bothersome
12:58.27Diaolol
12:58.30Bejittnowhere near as bad as Mag, but eh
12:58.37Diaoplanning is quick for me
12:58.39the-golem*sigh*
12:58.41Diaocause for some weird reason
12:58.44Codayus....unless you have idiots along.  Learning that your healers can't dodge breaths....not good.
12:58.45the-golemi missed the oldworld stuff :-(
12:58.47Diaoour guild has nothing but paladin healers
12:58.53the-golemi started playing too late
12:58.55Diaowe have like 7 holy paladins
12:59.02Diao1 resto druid, 1 holy priest
12:59.06Bejittget some druids gogo
12:59.12Bejittand a shaman
12:59.12Codayus(We only take 2 healers to Kara.  Losing 1 early makes every fight an adventure.)
12:59.21Diaoso our rotations end up always being warrior, paladin, warrior, paladin for red beam
12:59.29Diaoyeah we only use 2 healers in kara
12:59.32Diao3 is a waste
12:59.35Diaotoo much overheal
12:59.36CodayusDiao: You use more than 2 tanks for red?
12:59.42the-golemwe usually take 3
12:59.45Diaoyeah the whole dancing thing
12:59.45the-golembut i dont think we need it
12:59.47Diaois kinda annoying
12:59.51CodayusWe just have 1 per portal phase.
12:59.51Bejitteh.. 3 -> 2 tanks 1 raid healers :p
12:59.54the-golemwe almost did prince with 2
13:00.00Diaowe down prince, nightbane with 2 :P
13:00.05CodayusMT takes it first portal, OT takes the next phase, repeat until dead.
13:00.08Diaohmm
13:00.14Diaohow does your tank stay alive long enough
13:00.18Diaodoes he do the dance in/out of beam thing
13:00.27the-golemyou move in/out
13:00.35CodayusThe trick is to make them learn "the dance".  They need to step in and out fairly frequently to stop dropping to 0 max HP
13:00.35Diaoyeah that's annoying
13:00.37the-golemi think
13:00.43Diaoit's easier for us
13:00.47Codayus*shrug*
13:00.49Diaoto just stand in the beam until around 18k hp or so
13:00.53Diaothen swap a second person in
13:00.55the-golemyeah
13:00.58the-golemthats what we did
13:01.04the-golembeams are wierd
13:01.11the-golemhard to tell if ur in it or not
13:01.19Lothaerso yeah how do i find out the formula/enchant IDs of enchants that are not currently in glowfosho?
13:01.28Diaouhh
13:01.29CodayusWe have a *GOOD* MT, he handled that side of things, and it's never been an issue for us.  So we just have MT in red, OT in green, then OT in red and MT in green.
13:01.30Arcaiano clue >.>
13:01.37Diaono idea Lothaer
13:01.41CodayusMeanwhile all DPS just cycles through the blue beam.
13:01.45Lothaerdang namit
13:01.47Diaoo_O
13:01.49Diaointeresting
13:01.56Diaowe do pally/warrior/druid/shaman in red
13:01.59Diaorogue/warrior in green
13:02.12CodayusMakes planning simple, and vent chatter mostly centers around DPS arguing over who gets blue beam.
13:02.13Diaoand lock/spri in blue, if they need to switch out early then other dps sub in
13:02.24Diaoafflic lock is just wrong in blue
13:02.29Arcaiawe did kara today without vent >.>
13:02.30Codayus"WTF you've had it for half the phase, GIEF NOW!"  "One more second, I bet I can get a new crit frost bolt record!"
13:02.34Arcaiaour server was down
13:02.34Diaolol
13:02.40Arcaiastill cleared in 3.5 hours ;P
13:02.43Diaoit's funny watching our lock drop curse of doom
13:02.48Diaoright at the end of portal phase
13:02.59Diaoand then watching netherspite's hp drop by like 5%
13:03.02Diaoa minute later
13:03.11the-golemlol
13:03.19Arcaiaamp c-o-doom ;P
13:03.23Diaoyea
13:03.27Diaohaven't seen a crit one yet though
13:03.31Diao(can it crit?)
13:03.47Ozguli`Diao no it's a dot
13:03.54Arcaiayea -> can't crit ;P
13:04.01the-golem..
13:04.03Diaoah ok
13:04.06Diaono wonder
13:04.06the-golemive seen immolate crit
13:04.07Ozguli`but doesn't the lock get HUUUGE threat from the tick?
13:04.10the-golemisnt  that a dot?
13:04.15Diaoimmo initial damage
13:04.17Diaoisn't a dot
13:04.18Ozguli`it has non-dot hit initial
13:04.18the-golemor because it has a DD component
13:04.22Diaoyeah
13:04.25Diaoit's ilke moonfire
13:04.25the-golemah
13:04.27Diaodd first, then dot
13:04.28the-golemkk
13:04.29Diaouh
13:04.34Diaoyes they do but they have salv generally
13:04.44Diaoand plus netherspite seems to reset threat after banish ends
13:04.53Diaoand it's ok if they generate massive threat
13:05.02Diaobecause i'm spamming heroic strike/devastate with dual wield
13:05.04Diaoif i'm not in red beam
13:05.11Diaoso i'm generating massive threat as well
13:05.26Diaoactually i spam that in red beam too, with shield slams/revenges
13:05.27Diaolol
13:06.10Diaousually i end up dw tanking netherspite between banish/portal phase due to how much threat i generate
13:06.21the-golemhehe
13:06.33the-golemi shoudl dw 'tank' aran
13:06.41the-golemcuz its not like he listens to agro anyway
13:06.49the-golemfucker
13:06.55Diaolol
13:06.57Diaoyep
13:07.11Diaoi usually start with shield in battle stance in case i have to shieldbash, drop 5 sunders asap
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13:07.21Diaothen hit my weaponswap macro to go dw
13:07.24the-golemyeah
13:07.31Diaoberserker and start spamming devastate/HS/ww
13:07.39Diaoit's quite fun
13:07.42Zatarhe doesn't listen to aggro in terms of who he attacks, but if a ranged person makes it to the top of the aggro list, he moves around the room more (Aran)
13:07.43the-golem...
13:07.45Diaowith 5 sunders he has like 0 armor
13:07.50the-golemdevastate isnt prot stance only?
13:07.53Diaonope
13:07.56the-golemshit
13:07.57Diaodevastate can be used in any stance lol
13:08.06the-golemi cant believe i never noticed that before
13:08.11Diaoit has no stance requirement ;p
13:08.37Diaojust requires a 1h weap ;(
13:08.38Bejittsame for sunder
13:08.45Diaoi'd love to devastate with a 2h lol
13:08.53the-golemlol
13:08.55Diaobut the rage gen from dw is nice
13:09.00Diaosince you can basically devastate every gcd
13:09.03Diaoand still have extra rage
13:09.22the-golemyeah
13:09.26the-golemi do that alot
13:09.33the-golem12121212
13:09.36Diaoget a nice slow weap with high top end like dragonmaw
13:09.38the-golemdev + sh
13:09.41Diaofor fights like aran
13:09.56Bejittdont forget HS :P
13:10.01the-golemi have decap from prince
13:10.04the-golemthat good? :P
13:10.04Diaoah that works
13:10.07the-golemlol
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13:10.38Diaoi like dragonmaw cause haste proc + abacus + dual mongoose
13:10.43Diao= very very fast HS
13:10.46Diaolol
13:10.58the-golemyeah
13:11.02the-golemboth are mainhand
13:11.10the-golemor id duel wield decap and dragonmaw
13:11.14Diaoer
13:11.17Diaodecap is 1h isn't it?
13:11.18the-golemlol
13:11.20the-golemnope
13:11.25Diaoi remember it being non-unique 1h
13:11.46Diaohttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=28767 <- says one-hand :O
13:11.54Diaoohh
13:11.55Diaonm
13:11.56Diaopatch 2.3
13:12.03Diaoit changes to 1h instead of mh
13:12.38Diaoi want a decap for fun.. only thing i've never seen prince drop :(
13:13.24the-golemooooooooh
13:13.27the-golemit does really?
13:13.55Diaohmm
13:14.00Diaowith the new devastate change
13:14.09Diaoi have to debate if i want imp HS or imp sunder
13:14.11the-golemDiao: would it change for all items, or only the new drops?
13:14.19Diaoblizzard changes are always retroactive
13:14.30Diaoso all currently existing items should change too
13:14.38Ozguli`bah, recommend me some working unitframes addon
13:14.41the-golemincluding the old instance items?
13:14.43Diao8/5/48 or 10/5/46 after next patch hmm
13:14.45Diaoyep
13:14.54Diaopitbull, aguf, xperl(non-ace)
13:15.03Diaothose are probably the most common
13:15.08Lothaerwoot got the info i needed :) time to link lvl 1 items with Executioner
13:15.10Lothaerrofl
13:15.13Diaolol
13:15.16Lothaeror maybe a mana pot with Executioner
13:15.29the-golemlol
13:15.38the-golemDiao: yeah i need to tweak myspec
13:15.43the-golemget +crit in
13:15.52the-golembut idk what to drop :-(
13:16.20the-golemi was gonna go for anger management
13:16.20Diaolol
13:16.20the-golembut
13:16.26the-golemi get crazy rage already in bosses
13:16.31the-golemits a chore to spend it
13:16.33Diaoi do and i don't
13:16.40Diaosometimes
13:16.47Diaoi'll get stuck unable to use up all my rage
13:16.50Diaoeven spamming HS in between every attac
13:16.51the-golemanger management doesnt help rage decay anymore right?
13:16.55MegalonLothaer: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=42974
13:16.56Diaoit does
13:16.59CIA-1203ammo * r52783 10FuBar2/ (FuBar.lua FuBar_Panel.lua): FuBar2: make Jostle optional.
13:17.00Megalonwowhead already lists all the info
13:17.02Ellipsisgrr, why does nobody run SH? >_>
13:17.04the-golemi mean
13:17.05Diaoit works exactly the same way it worked pre-bc
13:17.07Megalon3225 is the id in the itemstring ;)
13:17.10the-golemoutta combat rage decay
13:17.12Diaoout of combat you lose 2 rage instead of 3
13:17.18Diaoin combat you gain 1 per tick
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13:17.18the-golemoooh
13:17.23the-golemthats sweet
13:17.30Diaoit's more of a 5man thing i think
13:17.35the-golemyeah
13:17.36Diaonot all that great for raids
13:17.47Diaobut yea
13:17.48Diaoon my warrior
13:17.53Diaoi get dodge/parry/miss strings like crazy
13:18.01Diaoso sometimes after i dump all my rage building threat
13:18.03Lothaeryeah thaks megalon, i got he enchant id from there but the formula id from the dbc files
13:18.07LothaerExecutioner looks hot
13:18.10Diaoi'll end up sitting there for like 20 seconds doing nothing
13:18.14Diaocause i have zero rage
13:18.25the-golemlol yeah
13:18.45Diaoi think i'll probably stick to imp HS over imp sunder though
13:19.01the-golemhamstring? i forget abreviations sometimes ^^
13:19.01Diao9 rage devastates are nice, but since i only ever use it if ss/rev are on cd
13:19.05Diaoheroic
13:19.25the-golemlol ah
13:19.33Diaobest possible rotation is ss->rev->2x devas->ss again
13:19.35the-golemtake both :P
13:19.45Diaowhile you can fit in a HS between each attack
13:19.49Diaomm
13:19.57the-golemyeah thats what i do pretty much
13:20.11the-golemwhen im not sundering
13:20.16the-golembut 2.3 i wont hafta sunder ^^
13:20.18Diaoi don't know what to drop though
13:20.22Diaoimp taunt?
13:20.31the-golemmaybe
13:20.33Diaoimp taunt is nice for trash
13:20.39the-golemyeah
13:20.40Diaonot all that great for bosses
13:20.43the-golemuseless for bosses tho
13:21.28the-golemu ever fight curator and notice that hell occasionall smack someone else?
13:21.36Diaouhh
13:21.39Diaono
13:21.44the-golem:-(
13:21.47Diaohe will cast an arcane bolt on 2nd highest agro though
13:21.48Diaoevery few seconds
13:21.55the-golemmaybe thats it
13:21.57Diaonever seen him hit anyone else though
13:22.07the-golemarcane bolt require him turning?
13:22.09Diaoyea
13:22.15Diaohe turns to face whoever he's casting on
13:22.16the-golemok thats it then ^^
13:22.27Diaoi usually drop a lock or spri on him purposely to soak the bolts
13:22.38Diaoso healers can just focus on 1 person eating bolts instead of a random person in the raid
13:22.50the-golemusually its melee
13:23.07cncfanaticsanyone know what would cause this ? http://pastey.net/75602
13:23.09the-golemi think, hard to tell
13:23.10the-golem^^
13:23.13Diaoyeah they get more threat on that fight if you don't have a specific bolt soaker
13:23.30Diaohmm
13:24.00Diaostubby trying to use librock?
13:24.58cncfanaticsehm,  Diao, doubt it
13:25.44Diaowhen did you last update o:
13:25.56cncfanaticsthis morning
13:26.00cncfanaticsand I just installed 3 carto modules
13:26.04cncfanaticsand now the error starts
13:26.09cncfanaticstrying to redisable em to see if I still get it
13:26.19Diaohmm
13:27.06cncfanaticsits Carto_Routes
13:27.10cncfanaticsGrum, Xinhuan, ping
13:27.22Xinhuanwhat?
13:27.32Diaooh that would explain it
13:27.37Diaoi dono't use very many cartographer modules
13:27.40Diaodon't*
13:28.13Xinhuanit sounds like you should disabl stubby
13:28.15Xinhuandisable
13:28.32Xinhuanbecause it hooks loadaddon
13:28.40cncfanaticslets see
13:29.10Xinhuannot sure
13:29.23cncfanaticsI don't see how a loadaddon hook would ever cause routes to call AddEventListener wrong but lets try anyuway
13:29.37cncfanaticssame error
13:29.41cncfanaticsexcept it stopped mentioning stubby ofc
13:30.05Xinhuanare you using embedded or dis
13:30.11cncfanaticsembedded
13:30.20cncfanaticsstraight from files.wowace.com
13:30.25cncfanaticsI don't use any updaters
13:30.39Xinhuanis carto notes on?
13:31.04cncfanaticsdata, mining, routes are my installed modules
13:31.18Xinhuanmining and routes both require _Notes
13:31.32cncfanaticsain't that embed by default ?
13:31.32Xinhuannotes is part of carto though
13:31.37Xinhuani assume you didn't disembed that either?
13:31.45cncfanaticsno I didn't
13:31.48cncfanaticsand mining works fine
13:32.03cncfanaticson a side note
13:32.05Xinhuani don't know then
13:32.07cncfanaticsI have contracts enabled in rock
13:32.15cncfanaticsso it might be an error that u don't see with contracts disabled
13:32.21XinhuanRoutes doesn't call loadaddon
13:32.31Xinhuansomething is calling loadaddon
13:32.36Xinhuanyou have to find that something
13:32.36cncfanatics[2007/10/21 15:14:15-1046-x1]: LibRock-1.0--48665 (LibRock-1.0):1087: Bad argument #3 to `AddEventListener'. Expected "string" or "table", got "function". 
13:32.36cncfanatics[2007/10/21 15:14:15-1046-x1]: LibRock-1.0--48665 (LibRock-1.0):1087: Bad argument #3 to `AddEventListener'. Expected "string" or "table", got "function". 
13:32.50[Ammo]Xinhuan: cartoprobably calls it to load the _Routes
13:32.56Xinhuan:addeventlistener is a rock thing
13:33.06cncfanaticssry for spam lol
13:33.11Xinhuandon't think so, carto doesn't know routes exist
13:33.17cncfanaticsofc it does
13:33.17Xinhuanuntil routes loads
13:33.22Lothaerwoot, when i add mongoose etc ti a helm or shoulder it they actually show the graphic rofl
13:33.40Diaolol
13:33.45Xinhuancan you check what is on line 1087?
13:34.11cncfanaticsthe code to trigger that errormessage most probably
13:34.24Xinhuanactually, your error message on pastey doesn't even mention routes
13:35.02cncfanaticsonly happens when routes enabled
13:35.39cncfanaticslocal ret, n = newList(object_method(...))
13:35.42cncfanaticsthats librock line 1087
13:35.43cncfanaticsweirdish
13:35.50Xinhuano_O
13:36.00Xinhuani really don't know then
13:36.09Xinhuanturn off contracts?
13:40.06cncfanaticsI did
13:40.08cncfanaticssame thing
13:40.23cncfanaticslemme /rl
13:41.12cncfanaticsstopped with contracts off
13:41.21cncfanaticsbut contracts makes rock complain about errors it usualy ignores
13:41.24cncfanaticsso u shld try to fix it anyway
13:42.12Xinhuanwell it would help if librock actually says WHAT makes the error...
13:42.22cncfanaticshehe
13:42.24Xinhuanor if the callstack says so
13:42.27Xinhuanbut it doesn't
13:42.32cncfanaticseeeek
13:42.35cncfanaticsroutes is scary
13:42.37cncfanaticson mining nodes
13:42.41cncfanaticstoo much nodes makes it flip
13:43.27Xinhuanare you a miner?
13:43.28Xinhuan;p
13:44.26cncfanaticsyea
13:44.41cncfanaticstoo much lines if I say, select adamantite, rich adamantite & khorium in nagrand
13:44.46cncfanaticswhole map goes pink
13:44.52Xinhuanyeah, go hit "optimize"
13:45.47Xinhuannagrand has quite a lot of mining nodes
13:46.18cncfanaticsah, it justs puts lines between em if u don't optimize ? :p
13:46.35cncfanaticsit gives me a notice when its done optimizing ?
13:46.45Xinhuanyep
13:46.57cncfanaticsk
13:46.58cncfanaticscheers
13:46.58Xinhuanit just draws a silly route on creation
13:47.16Xinhuansince the idea is not to hang the user
13:47.50cncfanaticsmuch better xD
13:48.24Xinhuanhow long did it take
13:48.38Xinhuanthe background stuff usually takes 4x as long as the foreground
13:49.00cncfanatics100.62 seconds, for eversong woods
13:49.04CIA-1203ag 07Ace3 * r52785 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.lua: ag_UnitFrames: ace3 branch: Moved some stuff around
13:49.09Xinhuanwow your pc must be really old
13:49.10cncfanaticsthats 113 nodes
13:49.13EllipsisOMGOMGOMG
13:49.16Fisker-ag` is hatable
13:49.20cncfanatics4-5 years
13:49.24EllipsisI got the recipe I farmed all day for
13:49.28Xinhuancos 360 nodes barely takes 20 secs for me ;p
13:49.32Ellipsisexcept I got it on an accidental kill :|
13:49.49cncfanatics4-5 years old, pentium 4 2.6Ghz with 1gig ram
13:50.22Fisker-you are easy to hate Ellipsis
13:50.30cncfanaticsslight problem Xinhuan
13:50.39cncfanaticsthe lines from routes have a strata higher then the minimap dots for ores
13:50.44EllipsisFisker-, ilu2
13:50.48cncfanaticsso they're over the dot, which is a bit unhandy
13:50.53Xinhuangrum says he can't fix that withour rewriting _Notes
13:51.46Xinhuanor maybe the default UI
13:51.54Xinhuansince the lines are drawn on the "BACKGROUND" strata already
13:52.07Xinhuanand you can't go lower than that
13:52.19cncfanaticsput em in ARTWORK ? think its lower
13:52.20cncfanatics:unsure:
13:52.43Xinhuandunno, well i'm not a miner
13:52.44Xinhuancan you test it?
13:52.50nevcairielyou can always play around with framelevel too
13:52.50cncfanaticssure
13:53.04Xinhuanthere is a functino call in DrawMinimapLines()
13:53.08cncfanaticswhat file is strata & framelevl declared ?
13:53.16Xinhuanit says G:Drawline(etc etc)
13:53.22Xinhuanin core.lua
13:53.37Xinhuanthe lines are created in GraphLib-1.0
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13:54.07Xinhuanwe merely call G:Drawline(frame, x, y, x2, y2, width, color, strata) or something
13:54.09cncfanaticscan't find BACKGROUND anywhere
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13:54.38Xinhuanok line 230
13:54.43Xinhuanchange "OVERLAY"
13:54.46Xinhuanto something lower
13:54.52Xinhuanand tell me if it works
13:55.05cncfanaticssec
13:55.08cncfanaticslet me find out what the dots are
13:55.37the-golemsoooo
13:55.39Xinhuanlooks like our lines are drawn on "overlay"
13:55.47the-golem"advanced color picker"
13:55.59the-golemcan i get that on curse?
13:57.16cncfanaticsthe dots are in BACKGROUND
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13:57.28Xinhuanso.. hmm
13:57.32cncfanaticsjust did GetMouseFocus():GetFrameStrata() on a dot
13:57.45Xinhuanif we draw the lines on "BACKGROUND" too, the ordering would be messy
13:58.02cncfanaticsdepends on the frame level
13:58.03Xinhuanis artwork lower than background?
13:58.09nevcairielartwork is the lowest
13:58.22Xinhuanworth a shot then
13:58.39cncfanaticslemme try
13:58.44cncfanaticsjust line 230 one right
13:58.47Xinhuanyeah
13:58.48cncfanaticsthere's also one a few lines lower
13:58.54Xinhuanthat one draws on the battlemap
13:59.04cncfanaticsshld stay overlay :)
13:59.18cncfanaticsfreaky calculations btw
13:59.18Xinhuanoh wait
13:59.23Xinhuanwrong function
13:59.29Xinhuanrevert line 230
13:59.46Xinhuanshould be line 696
13:59.49Xinhuansorry :)
13:59.55Xinhuanline 230 draws on the world map
14:00.06Xinhuan233 on battlemap, 696 on minimap
14:00.38Xinhuancan see the Minimap argument on argument #1 on line 696
14:00.45the-golempshhhhhhhh
14:00.50cncfanaticshmmmz
14:00.56cncfanaticsI hope the lines won't end up behind the minimap
14:01.31cncfanaticsits behind with ARTWORK strata
14:01.36cncfanaticsbehind the dots that is, so good :)
14:01.52Xinhuanso the lines are now behind the dots, but still above the map?
14:01.55cncfanaticsyea
14:02.12cncfanaticsdots are still ahrd to spot though, but thats because their color is anoying
14:02.19Xinhuanhah
14:02.26Xinhuanthe color is yellow isn't it?
14:02.28Xinhuanby default
14:02.43cncfanaticspinkish-yellow
14:02.48cncfanaticssomething between those 2
14:02.54Xinhuanno i mean the node itself
14:03.21cncfanaticsah yea, yellow
14:03.40Xinhuanchange the default line color if you wish to ;p
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14:04.48cncfanaticsjust making em smaller is enough
14:05.14Xinhuangrum intended to add being able to change the default line width/colors for minimap/battlemap
14:05.17cncfanaticsdoes it add new nodes to the route ?
14:05.20Xinhuanseperate from the worldmap
14:05.22Xinhuanyeah it does
14:05.32Xinhuanbut only if you selected that node type initially
14:05.34Xinhuanwhen creating that route
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14:05.43cncfanaticsonly copper in this zone so :)
14:05.47Xinhuanit just tries to insert the node at the best place
14:05.55Xinhuandoesn't try to optimize the route
14:06.05cncfanaticsthe node was near a line anyway, so its fine
14:06.20cncfanaticsdamn nice addon :)
14:07.28CIA-1203xinhuan * r52786 10Cartographer_Routes/Core.lua: Cartographer_Routes: Change drawn lines on minimap from OVERLAY to ARTWORK strata so that they get drawn underneath nodes (thanks cncfanatics)
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14:07.57Xinhuanthere
14:07.57miicaooh is there many ace3 addon already?
14:08.25cncfanaticsXinhuan, the default width of lines on the minimap shld be very small also imo
14:08.39Xinhuanyou gonna have to bug grum about that one
14:08.50Xinhuanto add the option to change it
14:09.34Xinhuanwell he said he wanted to add it 2 days ago
14:10.36miicais there ace3 addon list somewhere ^^
14:11.07cncfanaticsmiica, there are no ace3 addons yet as far as I know
14:11.26miica:<
14:11.32the-golemArcaia: ping
14:11.46a^i`SmaNso what is the matter with the aguf's ace3 tag ? :)
14:12.04CIA-1203ammo 07Alpha * r52788 10Ace3/Ace3.toc: Ace3: load whole config-3.0 in one go instead of all separate
14:12.11a^i`SmaNyah, this one
14:12.22cncfanaticsthats a branch
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14:12.45Xinhuanthe orange words means its under development
14:12.51Xinhuanand not anywhere near released yet
14:13.20nevcairielace3 will be officially alpha in a not so distant future, and we've some devs testing it on some addons already
14:14.29cncfanaticsbtw nevcairiel
14:14.37cncfanaticsI ninjad ur dreamlayout code for a flexbar module, hope you don't mind ?
14:14.38nevcairielwe just wanted to get config going before alpha, so thats whats being worked on now :)
14:14.42Xinhuanbasically its current in a stage that isn't quite alpha yet
14:15.14[Ammo]Xinhuan: it's almost alpha
14:15.16[Ammo]the core libs are
14:15.17the-golem...
14:15.19[Ammo]the config isn't
14:15.23Xinhuanhence "not quite alpha yet" :)
14:15.31[Ammo]not quite implies quite far from
14:15.32the-golemECP is blah
14:15.34[Ammo]which is not true
14:15.39cncfanaticscan you namespace events in ace3 ?
14:15.41Xinhuansemantics pfft
14:15.52the-golemscale is not 0-255
14:15.52nevcairielcncfanatics: no, we decided not to do that
14:16.06[Ammo]cncfanatics: you do separate blizzard events from addon messages
14:16.34[Ammo]and with callbackhandler-1.0 you can have your own event system internal to your addon
14:16.43cncfanaticsoooh :o
14:17.55cncfanaticshow is the slashcommand system ? currently I use my own
14:18.13[Ammo]there is a simple slashcommand register
14:18.19[Ammo]and tehre is a splitargs functikon
14:18.22[Ammo]to get your args
14:18.33[Ammo]options table -> slashcommand is being worked on
14:18.39[Ammo]but is a separate aceconfigslash lib
14:19.52cncfanaticswell, currently I have commands in this format
14:19.59cncfanatics<PROTECTED>
14:20.20cncfanaticsI'll keep using my own handler I guess or will ther be a library for that type of commands ?
14:20.34[Ammo]there is a the standard aceconsole for that
14:20.50[Ammo]which has an argument splitter
14:20.54[Ammo]that you can use
14:21.20cncfanaticsI guess the code in it would be pretty similar to my own
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14:21.31cncfanaticsbut, at least it'd be reused, intresting
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14:22.11CIA-12FuBar_PetInfoFu:
14:22.11CIA-12- updated TOC, added demon icons
14:22.19cncfanaticsI need to get reading code :p
14:22.27Balstorso cncfanatics is the update for the ptr ready yet???? (macro highlighting) (and buff/debuff matching off more than icon name) hunh hunh???
14:22.37Balstorpoke poke
14:22.40cncfanaticsI can't go on PTR
14:22.56cncfanaticschar copy messed up all the time for some reason
14:22.59cncfanaticsmight try again soonish
14:23.14Balstorwith this level of fail are you sure your main isn't a druid???
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14:24.19Balstorhmm nice sword graphics http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/october/MoreWeapons23.jpg
14:25.20CIA-1203ammo 07Alpha * r52791 10Ace3/AceComm-3.0/AceComm-3.0.lua: Ace3: AceComm is not AceEvent
14:25.35Balstorokay UI/programming question, I have a frame containg a seriers of boxes (text) is there a simple way to have the main frame resize based on it's contents???
14:26.33[Ammo]request size of the underlying frames add em and apply total size to your main frame
14:26.43[Ammo]keep in mind scaling probably if you're dealing with strings
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14:27.25Balstorsigh i was afraid that was the solution
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14:29.51CIA-1203mikk 07Alpha * r52792 10Ace3/tests/AceComm-3.0.lua:
14:29.51CIA-12Ace3 - tests:
14:29.51CIA-12- Make AceComm spew less garbage unless "VERBOSE" is set.
14:32.38the-golem*sigh*
14:32.43the-golemanyone use EnhCP?
14:32.50Balstorcncfanatics try this addon http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/9485/
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14:36.48Balstor!last Cryect
14:36.55Balstor~last Cryect
14:37.06Stanzilla~seen Cryect
14:37.07purlcryect <n=fefsd@pool-72-95-251-159.pitbpa.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 50d 14h 5m 9s ago, saying: 'charon: it can't tell the difference between mobs of the same name (you don't get any unit id for them or anything) so he couldn't do that'.
14:37.14Stanzillabam!
14:37.51Balstor50 days !!!!
14:38.14vithosthat takes dedication.
14:38.49Balstorsigh i need to find where to report graphlib + recount bug :(
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15:50.37Paradoxckknight: can you change it so when I right click the party-targets frames it targets the target for attack/focus ? instead of opening the pitbull menu
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15:51.51CIA-12Quartz:
15:51.51CIA-12- Update zhTW translation.
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15:52.52EllipsisParadox: what's wrong with left-clicking them? o.O
15:53.06Paradoxleft clicking doesn't start auto attacking them :(
15:54.07Ellipsisuse a click casting addon then
15:55.05Paradoxif I installed an extra addon for every tiny thing i'd be running with 200 addons..
15:55.12Paradoxmerely a request for a logical change :/
15:55.20Ellipsishow is that logical?
15:55.30Ellipsisanyone who isn't melee doesn't want to auto-attack anything ever o.O
15:55.51dylanmYeah I'm not sure that Pitbull should be rolling that into the core.
15:56.18Paradoxbut it's on right-click that I want it
15:56.29Paradoxif you don't want to auto attack just left click D:
15:56.31Ellipsisthere are addons to accomplish that, it doesn't make sense for most users
15:56.43Ellipsiswhen I right click a frame I expect a dropdown menu, not autoattack :/
15:56.46xyuhttp://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1226166
15:57.07Paradoxyeah but there is no drop down menu for party targets, instead it opens the pitbull config :/
15:57.34ParadoxI keep right clicking it expecting it to attack the unit I don't know why it just seems like it should to me..
15:57.50Ellipsis*no* unit frame right clicks auto-attack
15:57.51Paradoxat least target them instead of opening the menu anyway D:
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16:02.37Firelemminghow do i destroy a frame completly so that it is also out of the memory?
16:02.44dylanmCan't be done.
16:03.39Firelemminghmm, so on OnDisable you cant actualy remove the gui part of the addon from the memory?
16:04.04Ellipsisnope, once you create a frame it's there to stay
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16:05.02Firelemmingwierd think though is that when i do the Hide() in the OnDisable it doesnt work
16:05.08Firelemming-think
16:06.20dylanmIs that some Ace thing
16:06.32Firelemmingyeah
16:07.00Firelemmingyou have a OnInitialize, OnEnable, OnDisable
16:07.14ShirikAre you trying to disable in combat?
16:07.22Firelemmingnope
16:08.58Firelemmingseems i have to do a ReloadUI to see the effect of disabling the addon
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16:10.53Ozguli`Does pitbull have some real conf?
16:11.04aestilping, ellipsis
16:11.09aestilreal conf?
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16:11.37Ozguli`without horrible waterfall structure
16:11.58weabwhy isn't waterfall "real"
16:12.22aestilOzguli`: no.  use something else if you can't configure pitbull with the provided tools.
16:12.41aestilyou know alt + right click on the frame you want to configure will jump you to that frames config screen?
16:13.07Ozguli`That wasn't mentioned anywhere
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16:26.46Pkekyowtb the good old days with dropdown menus
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16:28.29dylanmOh yeah I pretty much want to replace OS X with Dewdrop.
16:28.52dylanmMaybe that's the double-secret feature in Leopard :o
16:29.47Tullerof course!
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16:33.43CIA-1203andyca * r52796 10CastYeller/announces/warlock.lua: CastYeller: zhTW msg update
16:34.43Ellipsisaestil <3
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16:36.49CIA-12Quartz:
16:36.49CIA-12- Update zhTW translation. thanks lahow@baha (purple)
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16:42.27CIA-12TradeskillInfo:
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16:53.27Infineonhi there
16:53.51Infineonone question. my pitbull party frames only show those ppl which are in my group AND also in the mt targets
16:53.56Infineonother ppl are hidden
16:54.01Infineonany known bug?
16:54.45Infineonand if i say hide main tank targets all ppl in my group also disappear
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16:59.23aestilEllipsis: what bag mod?
16:59.54aestilInfineon: enable the raid frames?
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17:03.20Chompersand that stupid 'unknown' disconnection bug has started again
17:03.31Chompersgrrr
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17:08.31BeheritVIIsorry got pc reset5
17:08.46BeheritVIIanyone said something to my problem?
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17:12.13aestilEllipsis: wtf.  baggins i think.  but noooooo i can't understand how to configure it.  halp mae
17:13.33Balstor_msg cncfanatics U there?
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17:20.33Zhinjioyay! snow!
17:21.24cncfanaticsBalstor_, yea
17:22.27Balstori found a new bug, minor anoyance on intialization
17:22.49BeheritVIIwho could i message for my pitbull problem!?
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17:24.08Balstori define a key binding alt-h and i then bind it to my mouse, when i first log in, the binding doesn't work, if i click the button, then the bindings work.
17:24.56aestilanyone.
17:24.59aestil~asktoask
17:25.00purlThis is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.
17:25.32BeheritVIIas said
17:25.42BeheritVIImy pitbull party is linked to my pitbull maintanks
17:25.52BeheritVIIso i only see ppl which are MTs in my party
17:25.56BeheritVIIall others are hidden
17:26.10BeheritVIIeven if i disable maintank targets my complete party frames get empty
17:26.17BeheritVIIi dont know why
17:26.45ZhinjioBeheritVII: If you disable using pitbull for your MT frames, does it still happen?
17:27.09BeheritVIIif is disable without reloading ui it still is
17:27.12BeheritVIIcould try other way
17:27.18BeheritVIIbut interestung is
17:27.26BeheritVIIif i scale my party frame
17:27.40BeheritVIIthose ppl which are MTs and in my party got their MT frame resized too
17:27.54ZhinjioI remember seeing this awhile ago as well.
17:28.09Zhinjioso I stopped using Pitbull for my MT frames, I now use oRA instead.
17:28.14Zhinjioand it stopped happening.
17:28.25BeheritVIIso i now deleted my config for mt and party
17:28.32BeheritVIIwill reconfigure and take a look
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17:28.51CIA-12FuBar_QuestsFu:
17:28.51CIA-12- deDE Update
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17:31.21SarozHrrm, the castbar in pitbull doesnt work if you switch to a target casting
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17:32.24CIA-12FuBar_ReagentFu:
17:32.24CIA-12- toc to 20200
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17:44.07aestil_Ellipsis: you there?
17:50.21aestil_Xinhuan, Grum: is it possible, that tiny little 'arrow' graphics could be put on the line in routes?  perhaps it could be optional, and reversable?
17:50.32aestil_occasionally, it gets confusing as to which direction you were going.
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17:55.24CIA-1203drool * r52802 10Nauticus/ (27 files in 3 dirs):
17:55.24CIA-12Nauticus: initial commit
17:55.24CIA-12- Track arrival & departure schedules of boats and Zeppelins around Azeroth and displays them on the Mini-Map & World Map
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18:02.40CIA-1203drool * r52804 10Nauticus/:
18:02.40CIA-12Nauticus:
18:02.40CIA-12- added externals
18:02.57aestil_what is dbmftlbbq?
18:03.03aestil_spoofs dbm?
18:03.06Sarozy
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18:06.26Arcaiahttp://www.randomfew.net/random.public/uiss/WoWScrnShot_102107_133441.jpg
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18:09.54Klazarlooking for a PVP Kill Report To Guild Chat Channel addon.
18:10.57CIA-1203scorpio0920 * r52806 10FuBar_ReagentFu/FuBar_ReagentFu.toc:
18:10.57CIA-12FuBar_ReagentFu:
18:10.57CIA-12-Added X-Embeds
18:13.01the-golemhi
18:13.28aestil_is there a fix for the xloot huge loot frame issue?
18:13.34FireAllianceNXum where is this WAU 2.0 that is mentioned in the topic?
18:15.12ulic~wau2
18:15.13purlit has been said that wau2 is http://wowace.com/wau2
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18:17.14FireAllianceNXThank you, I missed it ^^
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18:23.41aestil_green writing?
18:24.19aestil_i didin't know it was possible.
18:25.04FireAllianceNXctrl + k ?
18:25.26FireAllianceNXguess that doesn't work on ChatZilla >.>
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18:34.33ThraeAlright, I think I'm going to experiment with multiple raid types on the same set of physical disks, just different partitions.
18:34.59manywtf
18:35.18aestil_wth
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18:42.36aestil_hah, i rezied my game rez and it didn't change.
18:42.43CIA-1203borlox * r52807 10Layout-1.0/:
18:42.43CIA-12Layout-1.0:
18:42.43CIA-12- delete empty folder
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18:43.47cncfanaticsNargiddley, ping ?
18:43.50cncfanatics~seen Nargiddley
18:43.52purlnargiddley is currently on #wowi-lounge (23h 25m 58s) #wowace (23h 25m 58s). Has said a total of 40 messages. Is idling for 8h 50m 59s, last said: 'I can only speak for ConfigDialog, but going really well'.
18:49.14Fisker-nymbia don't relax around me btw
18:49.19ckknightParadox: use something like Click2Cast or Clique, it's not something that belongs in PitBull
18:49.42Paradoxok :(
18:49.58_ranehow do you use a trinket in a macro?
18:50.11sica./use 13
18:50.38sicaor /use 14, depending on the slot of the trinket
18:51.17_ranethanks
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18:53.44ToadkillerSo does anyone know about the parenting check BLizzard added?  FOr example if you use SetPoint you can get an error if you have some other frame depending on you.  So like, what is the proper way of using Setpoint in such a case?
18:57.28CIA-1203gamefaq * r52808 10FishingAce/Locale-deDE.lua:
18:57.28CIA-12FishingAce:
18:57.28CIA-12- deDE Update
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19:06.10hastevhaarr: ping
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19:08.05vhaarrhaste: pong
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19:08.18aestil_anyone use avion?  I get an error trying to set up a graphic for when my icon of the silver cresecent cools, i get an error at log in about someting  in avion cooldowns not being registered with Ace2.
19:08.58hastevhaarr: http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info7142-oGlow.html#cmnt52296 << on which side should we solve this one :) ?
19:09.21Fisker-:(
19:09.33vhaarrhaste: I'll fix it on my side
19:09.40Fisker-one does not simply divide me by zero
19:09.42vhaarrhaste: what should I call/check for
19:09.49vhaarrhaste: is there a global "oGlow" object?
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19:10.18hastevhaarr: oGlow is pretty much local only
19:10.32vhaarrhaste: so give me something to call to deactivate oGlow
19:10.36vhaarror something
19:11.03vhaarrhaste: I already do the same thing to Fizzle
19:11.11vhaarrmaybe you don't know it, but it's basically the exact same thing as oGlow
19:11.18vhaarronly it's on the SVN, so it doesn't suck
19:11.20vhaarrlike your addon
19:11.31hasteI knew about it, but it went into the book of the forgotten ages ago :p
19:11.40vhaarr^^
19:12.05aestil_~!c us darkspear baosroth
19:12.32vhaarrhaste: well until you tell me how to deactivate/activate your addon for the character frame, I can't do anything about it
19:12.36aestil_~thraebot
19:12.37purlthraebot is, like, nowhere to be found!
19:12.43aestil_damnit!
19:12.43CIA-1203kaelten * r52809 10/branches/KC_ChatLink/ (. Ace3/ Ace3/KC_ChatLink.lua Ace3/KC_ChatLink.toc): KC_ChatLink: Initial import.
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19:13.26hastevhaarr: trying to think of a easy way to solve it, without making it a torture on both sides
19:13.28vhaarrhaste: obviously if you'd rather fix it on your side, that would be fine with me
19:13.42vhaarrbut since I already hook into Fizzle, I might as well do oGlow
19:14.24hasteI'll take a look at CG and poke the issue a little then
19:14.36aestil_i hypothesize that haste and rabbit is the same person in actuality, and is carrying on a conversation with himself, for the purpose of entertaining the channel.
19:14.36hastepossibly a patch by tomorrow :)
19:14.52Fisker-i disagree Aens|Superiority
19:14.54Fisker-crap
19:14.59Fisker-i disagree aestil_
19:15.04aestil_wtf!
19:15.08aestil_why am i not registered
19:15.32Chompersstupid solarian
19:15.36Chompersshe must DIE
19:15.36vhaarrhaste: cool
19:15.51aestil_Chompers: you mean, easy solarian? free epics solarian?
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19:22.38CIA-1203ammo 07Ace3 * r52810 10FishermansFriend/FishermansFriend.lua: FishermansFriend: Stop fishing and restore defaults on logout and disable
19:24.21Ozgulihmm.
19:24.34OzguliKillingSpree addon's sounds aren't working properly .\
19:25.09Ozgulifound it from aceupdater
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19:28.03TurkagentHI iw as wondering if i could get some macro help from anyone
19:28.50OzguliMacros? You lazy ... !
19:29.02Turkagentlol
19:29.25Ozgulievery class needs max 4 buttons in pve and about 7 in pvp
19:29.38TurkagentIm trying to figure out how to chain macros so that one macro can link to another
19:29.55OzguliI don't think you can
19:30.06JoshBorkespriest needs 7 buttons!
19:30.07Ozgulimacros were nerfed in some patch, maybe in the burning crusade one
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19:41.47cncfanaticsBalstor, ping
19:43.15FireAllianceNXyay pitbull error >.>
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19:46.20SG|EnseyDoes the fade effect on pitbull frames, take less to have running?
19:46.27SG|Ensey... making it more lightweight..
19:46.55JoshBorkesure, turn it off if you don't want it
19:48.06aestilEllipsis: ping
19:48.15aestilJoshBorke: you're a SP right?
19:48.42JoshBorkeyes
19:48.57aestilas far as you know, MF coeefficent sucks because of the snare right?
19:49.14JoshBorkethe coefficient sucks?
19:49.25aestilbecause of the snare, its range is 20 yards, it can't crit, it breaks on dmg, and its coefficient sucks.
19:49.46aestilit should be around 85%
19:50.18aestil3 second cast.  85% or so coeffficient.  instead its a 57% coefficient.
19:50.56aestilthats alot of 'tradeoffs' for a snare which has substantially descreased utility in PvP than it used to, and almost 0 utlity in raid.
19:51.07FireAllianceNXis there Target of Target of Target in Pitbull?
19:51.20aestilfiriealliancenx, yes
19:51.49FireAllianceNXmy eyesight must be giving out >.<
19:52.00aestilFireAllianceNX: under 'extra' modules, or osmething like that.
19:52.04aestilits not enabled by default.
19:52.07FireAllianceNXyeah, i got it after I asked lol
19:52.20FireAllianceNXthanks :)
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19:57.47FireAllianceNXsorry for the stupid question, new to pitbull :)
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20:00.37aestilif MF couldn't break on dmg, crit, and had a normal coefficient, SP's would still be easy to kill in PvP.
20:00.43aestilbut that would be too big a PvE buff.
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20:02.12aestilso i think that MF should be a base priest spell, and deeper in Shadow tree should be imp MF.  2 choices, one is to increase its range, and lose the snare/increase the coeffecient to the correct level.  and the other way should make the range stay the same, make it not break on dmg, and have it be able to crit.
20:04.27Bloodspiritcan someone tell me how i can make my mod auto onload if the player class isnt a warrior?
20:04.36Bloodspiritunload even
20:05.10CIA-1203art3mis * r52812 10cyCircled_Pooh/ (11 files in 2 dirs):
20:05.10CIA-12cyCircled_Pooh
20:05.10CIA-12- Initial Commit
20:05.10CIA-12- Hunny Pots!
20:05.25aestiljust go to the addons screen when you log in, and uncheck that mod for the specific character you don't want it to load for
20:05.49Bloodspiritthat one i know but i want the mod to unload it self :)
20:05.52aestiladdons has a drop down dialog at the top, all, or a specfic characer.
20:13.25Arrowmasterif select(2,UnitClass("player")) ~= "WARRIOR" then return end
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20:14.19dylanmLike combat fading or something?
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20:17.25Bloodspiritthx Arrowmaster ill go try it :)
20:17.46Bloodspiritdylanm, i have made a small battle shout mod :)
20:17.49ZhinjiocyCircled changed something that broke Bongos ability to switch bars with forms (paging)
20:17.58Zhinjio3 days ago
20:18.56Zhinjiowhich is to say, bongos is actually working fine. the skin on the bar is broken
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20:21.27art3mishttp://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/cycircled-pooh.jpg
20:23.15CIA-1203nymbia * r52813 10PeriodicTable-3.0/ (6 files in 5 dirs): PeriodicTable-3.0: Automated dataminer update
20:25.30Ozguliugly
20:26.09art3miswhy ugly?
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20:26.48Ozgulithey're not smooth
20:27.09hyperChipmunki think that's jpeg
20:27.38Ozgulino, I mean the small images don't fit
20:28.04art3misactually they do
20:28.23Ozgulinicely hm...
20:28.25art3misits the transperancy that "hides" the orange bands thier corners disappear into
20:28.33art3miswhich im gonna fix up
20:28.55Ozguligood
20:30.01art3misdoing a white to alpha made it lok decent in the editor winder
20:30.08art3misin game though...
20:30.31Ozguliyou should see me irl if I'm about to explain something
20:30.53art3misdo you have boobs and a nice ass and tend to get naked before doing so?
20:31.03art3misif not i can live without seeing you ;P
20:31.09Ozgulinone of those
20:31.16Ozguliespecially I lack the boobs
20:31.35Hjalteart3mis: now the million dollar questions - why would anyone have hunny pots in their UI? (except bears - haha)
20:31.46Hjaltequestion -s*
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20:33.15Ozgulimore like I'd make no sense at all, and try to fix it by poking you
20:33.17Zhinjioart3mis, you don't have anything to do with cyCircled dev in general, do you?
20:33.28Ozgulior waving my hands
20:33.41Arrowmasterhe just makes very disturbing themes
20:33.52Zhinjioheh
20:33.57art3mishttp://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/pooh-ui.jpg  <-- like this
20:34.04Zhinjioyeah< I saw that.
20:34.22art3misthats it's purpose more or less ;P
20:34.30Zhinjiooh, I saw the buttons. damn, duide.
20:34.32art3misand no i have nadda to do with the actual addon
20:34.40Ozguliokay that IS disturbing
20:34.47Fisker-holy shit art3mis
20:34.51Fisker-you go to hell and die
20:35.05Ozguliand compared with the character...
20:35.16Fisker-that tigger minimap totally made me want to destroy you
20:35.18Hjalteart3mis: That's kind of cool
20:35.19art3misin raelity fisker is sitting at home hopping in his chair clapping his hands like a little kid singing the tigger song
20:35.36Ozguliwait a moment I'll search you the thing
20:35.54durcynyeah well, fisker can yiff in hell with the other furries
20:36.56Fisker-HEY FU
20:36.59Ozgulihttp://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=159&Set=64
20:37.01OzguliThat
20:37.03CIA-1203nymbia * r52814 10Sniff/Sniff.lua:
20:37.03CIA-12Sniff:
20:37.03CIA-12- Print a message when the server gives us no data.
20:37.10cryogenlol wtf @ how long autobar is on my shaman by default
20:37.17art3mislaugh Oz
20:37.53Fisker-btw does blizzard take screenshots for interface shots?
20:39.24CIA-1203nogudnik * r52815 10Skillet/Skillet.lua:
20:39.24CIA-12Skillet:
20:39.24CIA-12- SKL-21: Make Skillet behave pretty much the same way the default
20:39.24CIA-12<PROTECTED>
20:40.43CIA-1203sutorix * r52816 10FishingAce/ (FishingAce.lua FishingAce.toc): FishingAce: make auto lure now work more than once
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20:44.42Orionshockmorning all
20:44.49OrionshockTekkub: ping :P
20:45.30Tekkubwhat?
20:46.05ZhinjioHey Orionshock
20:46.26Orionshockhi Zhinjio
20:46.47Orionshocktek i took the time to make the plugin last night..
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20:47.17Tekkubk...
20:47.37OzguliAny Killing Spree author here?
20:47.56OzguliOr anyone who knows about it... Can't hear the sounds
20:48.02Orionshockso what name did you want it to be called?
20:48.12Tekkubit?
20:48.16Tekkubthe callback?
20:48.46Ozgulithe WAAGH
20:48.53Pkekyoat what temperatures does aluminum melt?
20:48.58Zhinjiohhahaa.
20:48.59Orionshockya
20:49.06TekkubTourGuide.UpdateFubarPlugin(text, texture) work for you?
20:49.38Ozguli933.47 K Pkekyo
20:49.42Zhinjio660.37 degrees C
20:49.45Orionshockadd tooltip?
20:49.49Ozguli660.32 °C, 1220.58 °F
20:49.59NightHawkTheSan1Pkekyo: google could have told you that. be less lazy :P
20:50.40TekkubOrionshock, you need the tooltip text too?
20:51.32Orionshockwell the intent is to hide the origional frame altogether, sorry it's annoying that it move around alot and dosn't word wrap.
20:52.11Tekkubdo you need the tip text passed or are you querying it yourself?
20:52.33Orionshocki could query it myself....
20:52.57Tekkubjust asking cause I have it already at that point :P
20:53.20Orionshockok pass it then
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20:53.51Tekkubokey, I pass (text, texture, note) then
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20:56.23CIA-12tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r648 10/trunk/TourGuide/StatusFrame.lua: TourGuide - Adding callback support for Orionshock's Fubar plugin
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20:56.35Orionshock:D
20:56.54OzguliGnaa I have to defrag
20:57.32Ozgulithis 14g of data I downloaded at the lan party I was at doesn't seem nicely arranged
20:58.13PkekyoNightHawkTheSan1: meh...just wondered if I should bother sitting here with the soda can and the goddamn lighter anymore :>
21:02.30NightHawkTheSan1I hate dull knives. ><
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21:04.31art3mishrm new autobar doesnt seem to like the cycircled skinning anymore
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21:07.15Zhinjiowhy do I get an error from tablet indiciating I can only add a category inside a registration? and yet I see examples of where it isn't done that way in alot of other code
21:07.17Cyrezart3mis: This'll sound strange, but switch to a r51xxx version of AutoBar, start up, exit out, then switch back to the latest and start again.
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21:16.33OrionshockZhinjio_: because inside a fubar plugin it's done for you IIRC
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21:18.09HjalteCan anyone tell me why, when i press ctrl+alt and any of my numeral keys i get the desired key eg. { or [ or ] and so on + an @ >.<
21:18.38Zhinjiodamn internet connection
21:20.09Ozguliwhat do you think of lvl 69 twinks?
21:20.37Zhinjioso, since I probably missed anything anyone said: why does Tablet tell me I need to add categories in a registration? I've seen it done without that in plenty of code examples
21:20.47ZhinjioI apologize for repeating myself
21:20.54Orionshockhttp://ace.pastey.net/75627
21:21.22Orionshockattempt to concatenate local 'note' (a nil value)
21:21.22Orionshockln 2
21:22.17Orionshock...nmd
21:26.34art3miscyrez: okies, didnt save the skinend var right?
21:26.53Orionshocki wish lua had a built in nil check
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21:27.27Cyrezart3mis: I have no clue. All I know is what I did worked even though it made no sense at all, lol.
21:27.37art3misheh groovy
21:31.08Orionshockhehe ... LH dosn't play with DubbleWide nicly
21:32.57Balstor_spoiler : joystiq.com : was going to be in Guitar Hero 3 we didn't realize it was going to be the final track
21:33.11Balstor_and they have a link to the song
21:34.10RLD_osxwhat is it with popups in prat that causes game to crass when in a group or raid
21:34.23RLD_osxerr crash
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21:35.10Orionshockok... this is fking creepy
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21:37.46Orionshock?
21:38.00aestilwhy can you improve ghost wolf 4 levels before you get the skill?
21:38.10OrionshockTekkub: ... maybe you have some insight into this...
21:38.26Orionshockhttp://ace.pastey.net/75627
21:38.45OrionshockFu~ Text: Interface\AddOns\TourGuide\resting.tga Texture:  Note: "
21:39.06Orionshockis what it spits out for the debug... in effect the variables aren't passing properly
21:39.10Zhinjioare the parent of a tablet's onenter/onleave automagically hooked for you, or do I need to make explicit calls to open/close?
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21:39.54TekkubI don't passa self
21:40.05Tekkubthe args are passing correctly
21:40.11Tekkubyou're handling them wrong
21:40.27Orionshockthat's a good answer
21:40.43CIA-12tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r649 10/trunk/TourGuide/ (TourGuide.toc Alliance/33_35_Desolace.lua): TourGuide - Adding Ally Desolace guide, edited fro issue #98
21:42.11Orionshockhere's what i don't get, i add a simple D_C_F:AddMessage() to the stats frame before the func call to print out what's being passed; i think add nearly the same debug line to my code to find out what's being recieved... and they don't line up
21:42.21HjalteTekkub: Is TourGuide meant to be used with a specific guide?
21:42.39cryogenwhere does tourguide live btw?
21:42.43TekkubTG provides guide
21:43.09Tekkubhttp://www.wowace.com/wiki/TourGuide
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21:48.41Zhinjioah, its not in wau. thats why
21:48.42Zhinjioheh
21:48.44OrionshockTekkub: diff for ya... http://ace.pastey.net/75630
21:48.54CIA-1203art3mis * r52818 10cyCircled_Pooh/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
21:48.54CIA-12cyCircled_Pooh
21:48.54CIA-12- Cleaned up art
21:48.54CIA-12- Centered the Icons cleaner
21:49.15art3mishttp://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/cy-pooh.jpg
21:49.17Orionshocknil check on the note and .. do the function call properly
21:49.52Tekkubwhy check note, you can do that yourself
21:50.10Tekkuband there is no properly
21:50.16Tekkubit's a function call
21:50.17Orionshockgood point
21:50.21Tekkubyou don't need self
21:50.26Orionshockit wasn't passing arguments proerly
21:50.31Tekkubchange you function def to a . not a :
21:50.34Orionshockor i wasn't getting em
21:50.35Tekkubit IS
21:50.42Tekkubyou're handling them wrong :P
21:50.52Tekkublern2self :P
21:51.16Orionshocknot handling em wrong :P
21:51.57Tekkubyes, you are
21:52.02Tekkubthe call ain't changing
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21:52.09Tekkubyou don't need self, don't expect one
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21:52.10Orionshock"scope:Somefunction(a,b,c)" should create new local a, b, c with the values passed in that order
21:52.21Tekkubthat is wrong
21:52.25Nargiddleyno it creates self, a, b ,c with
21:52.29CIA-1203ulic * r52819 10GratuityLib/Gratuity-2.0/Gratuity-2.0.lua:
21:52.29CIA-12GratuityLib:
21:52.29CIA-12- Added new 2.3 method "SetGuildBankItem"
21:52.32Tekkubwhat narg said
21:52.36Shadowedorion
21:52.37Hjalteart3mis: 404
21:52.40Shadowedi'm going to go out on a limb
21:52.41Orionshock>.> !
21:52.44Shadowedand say that tekkub probably knows more then you
21:52.55Nargiddleyand x:(a,b,c) calls with x, a, b, c in that order
21:52.56CIA-1203ulic * r52820 10LibGratuity-3.0/LibGratuity-3.0.lua:
21:52.56CIA-12LibGratuity-3.0:
21:52.56CIA-12- Added new 2.3 method "SetGuildBankItem"
21:53.02Orionshocki have delusions of grandure ... give me a few mins...
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21:53.48Orionshockwait wait wait
21:54.22Orionshockno ... what i said still holds, b/c self is implied it dosn't need to pass self.
21:54.22Tekkuball you have to do is change one char in your code :P
21:54.26Orionshockit allready has it
21:54.30nevcairielthe : is just an cosmetic alias
21:54.34Tekkuband I don't passa self
21:54.35nevcairielthats all it is
21:54.37Shadowedjust do what tek said damnit
21:54.41Tekkubbecause you don't need it
21:54.46OrionshockMethod:Function =/= scope.function
21:54.58Orionshockyes same function different vars being passed
21:55.14Orionshockim not crazy i just don;t know how to say what im thinking
21:55.28nevcairielthats called crazy by some definition, i bet
21:55.40Orionshockyes i know Tekkub i did that
21:55.55Orionshockand now it works
21:56.02Tekkubno crazy is attacking your BF and leaving scratch marks down his back, and then going to jail cause of a warrent on a traffic ticket
21:56.14Tekkubgod he should have broken up with her, he's an idiot
21:56.16dylanmThat's a crazy situation Tekkub
21:56.19Shadowedthat sounds like something you'd do
21:56.32Tekkubnah, I keep my claws for self defense
21:56.33nevcairielyeah, sounds like furry action
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21:56.43Tekkuband "normal" back scratching (for itches)
21:56.55Tekkub... usually creating itches :)
21:57.00Shadowedi didn't think they did warents for traffic tickets
21:57.13Shadowedunless you got enough of them to lose your license
21:57.14TekkubTrey's got this spot at the bottom of the neck that's so fun to fuck with
21:57.33Tekkubthey do warrents if you don't show up for court, no matter the offense
21:57.48Shadowedah yes
21:57.52Shadowedif you had to go to court that'd do it
21:58.04Tekkubregardless, she's a fucking crazy
21:58.12Tekkubshe needs to lern2cope
21:58.33Tekkubwhat's with people that can't deal with life anyway?
21:58.42Shadowedthey call them emo
21:59.36Tekkubyea, but I mean, still, WTF
21:59.51Tekkubtake your fucking meds
21:59.59Tekkubyou're sane when you're on your meds
22:00.14Tekkubunless you take your meds and then drink nothing but cheap shit beer
22:00.28Tekkubwhich just makes the meds fuck you up more...
22:00.42Tekkubdid I mention I've never seen her drink anything but Bud Light?
22:02.04Orionshockthe icon won't work
22:02.15Orionshocki can get the text to change ... but the icon won't work... :((
22:02.32theoddone33so turns out there's a huge fire not too far away
22:02.44theoddone33my first clue was when I noticed that the sky was orange
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22:03.32Tekkubbah, orange could be anything.... halloween festivities
22:04.07NightHawkTheSan1or a sunset.
22:04.12HjalteCan anyone take a look at this and tell me if this looks good for doing some quests and solo-grind as a shadow priest? http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bqMhzhxZZEMxz0xRhtVo
22:04.14*** join/#wowace Provus (n=UPP@ip68-97-142-183.ok.ok.cox.net)
22:04.35theoddone33well then I started smelling smoke too
22:04.40theoddone33apparently malibu is burning down
22:04.47NightHawkTheSan1thats awesome
22:04.58Tekkubjust your neighbor BBQQing for halloween
22:05.20kebinusan!ap 2100
22:05.20ThraeBotkebinusan: Arena points from a rating of 2100 is, 2v2: 892, 3v3: 1033, 5v5: 1174
22:05.24cryogenHjalte: id just drop meditation and mental agility and stick the points in shadow, tbh
22:05.34NightHawkTheSan1tekkub's the kind of person who's neighbors house would burn down and he'd just turn up the AC when it "got a little warm in here"
22:05.37aestilHjalte: you prolly want the extra range.
22:05.49Shadowedyea i was listening to that on the radio theoddone33
22:05.53Tekkubdon't have AC
22:05.55NightHawkTheSan1whose*? hrm.
22:05.56Shadowedthey keep interrupting the radio to tell you stuff is burning
22:05.57Shadowedbastards
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22:06.14Shadowed"The fire is burning, they're trying to put it out!", 30 minutes later same information
22:06.17Hjaltecryogen: I just thought that it might be good to be able to cast those vampiric * spells cheaper
22:06.20Shadowed30 minutes later, same info
22:06.27theoddone33reminds me of http://bash.org/?349567
22:06.39MoonWolfpurl, emulate moonwolf
22:06.39purlI hate you, I hate you, I hate you, Call me!
22:06.56Tekkubpurl, eat shit and die
22:06.57purlACTION eats shit and die and falls over dead
22:06.59Tekkubstupid bot
22:07.04MoonWolf~whalenuke Tekkub
22:07.04purlACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Tekkub with his mind powers
22:07.31MoonWolfehe
22:07.38MoonWolfcheat
22:07.50Xelopherisgrr @ accidentally doing Ctrl+f12 instead of shift+f12
22:08.08cryogenHjalte: maybe, but you are dropping some nice(r?) stuff in shadow
22:08.14ShadowedTekkub: * purl dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Tekkub with his mind powers
22:08.24Tekkubsorry, purl's useless, unlike clad's lua bot
22:08.50Shadowedlua> 2 + 2
22:08.51cladbotShadowed: 4
22:09.03ThraeDamn this controller card. I'm back to using my old 2-port SATA controller card, since the PNY one I bought refuses to stop auto-configuring a RAID setup. All I wanted it for was more SATA ports.
22:09.03cladhairecladbot: stop spreading lies!
22:09.08Xinhuan~2+2
22:09.08purl[2+2] 5
22:09.12Shadowedhmmm
22:09.25Xinhuan~2 + 2
22:09.26purli guess 2 + 2 is 5 for sufficiently large values of 2
22:09.32Shadowedlua> local foo = "cla"; local bar = "dhaire"; print(foo + bar)
22:09.32cladbotShadowed: [string "local foo = "cla"; local bar = "dhaire"; pr..."]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'foo' (a string value)
22:09.35Shadoweder
22:09.38Shadowedlua> local foo = "cla"; local bar = "dhaire"; print(foo .. bar)
22:09.38cladbotShadowed: cladhaire
22:09.39Xinhuan~2.0 + 2.0
22:09.39purl4
22:09.46TekkubThrae, that'll sern you to let your material possesions control your life
22:09.47Shadowedstupid java using + for joining strings
22:09.51Tekkub*lern
22:10.10Xelopheris2.0 + 2.0 = 4.1, for sufficiently large values of 2.0
22:10.15theoddone33if you guys have never seen the sky during a california fire that's nearby
22:10.17theoddone33it's awesome
22:10.19theoddone33and freaky
22:10.22Shadowedpixs or it didn't happen
22:10.31TekkubCO has fire seasons too
22:10.34Tekkub:P
22:11.39theoddone33eh
22:11.44theoddone33my camera phone has terrible color
22:12.01theoddone33it's cool though, it's like 3pm and it looks like a sunset coming through the window
22:12.09theoddone33and if you look outside there's no sky and everything is orange tinted
22:12.14XelopherisIs there a way in BigWigs to add custom timers and RW's either through the addon or in an extra file (to prevent from it getting overwritten on update)
22:12.31nymbiaTekkub: where're you at in CO?
22:12.49TekkubGolden
22:12.55nymbiaah cool
22:12.59art3misCyrez: that trick didnt seem to work
22:12.59nymbiai'm up in ft collins
22:13.14Xinhuanlua> for i = 1, 10 a = coroutine.create(function() coroutine.yield() end) coroutine.resume(a) end print("does this use up memory on your system indefinitely?")
22:13.15cladbotXinhuan: sandbox.lua:284: Compilation failed: [string "for i = 1, 10 a = coroutine.create(function() coroutine.yield()..."]:1: 'do' expected near 'a'
22:13.23Xinhuanlua> for i = 1, 10 do a = coroutine.create(function() coroutine.yield() end) coroutine.resume(a) end print("does this use up memory on your system indefinitely?")
22:13.23cladbotXinhuan: does this use up memory on your system indefinitely?
22:13.39Xinhuanwhat if i made 1000 of these
22:13.44Xinhuanor 100000
22:13.48vhaarrXelopheris: /bwbc ?
22:14.23Cyrezart3mis: Darn... It worked for me, tho. Time to harass TK, then. ><
22:14.44Shadowedshirik beat you to crashing clad
22:14.53Shadowedby like 5 years
22:15.15Xinhuanwell would that crash cladbot? ;p
22:15.22cladhairelua> gcinfo()
22:15.23cladbotcladhaire: 402,
22:15.24cladhaireno
22:15.24Funkeh`vhaarr means /bwcb to broadcast a custom bar, Xelopheris :P then everyone sees it and you don't have to edit the file manually (requires promoted)
22:15.27cladhaireit wouldnlt
22:15.32cladhairelua> while true do end
22:15.37TekkubFt Collins? I sorry
22:15.37cladbotcladhaire: sandbox.lua:154: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded
22:15.42Xelopherisk k
22:15.42Tekkuband lookie, it snowed
22:15.43cladhaireit has both a memory and an execution timeout.
22:15.49Tekkubso glad I'm not in AR anymore
22:15.53Xinhuanaha
22:16.03Shadowedwhy would anyone want to live in AR
22:16.29TekkubTrey's family's there
22:17.06Shadowedyea i have some family there
22:17.49Orionshocki feel sad for anyone that lives in a state that has AT&T
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22:19.21art3miscyrez: i think its just a stupid name change i need to do to cycircled
22:19.31art3misill check with TK though
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22:27.12Orionshock>.> i figured it out - i was neither wrong nor crazy, just unfamiliar with what tek was doing... :P
22:27.23Tekkub:P
22:27.49Godzmackmhm, does anyone know a replacement for statusbars or at least the combo points bar?
22:28.13TekkubI've got a replacement, roll a not-rogue
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22:28.26balstormaybe it's a druid.
22:28.30balstorpoke poke
22:28.35Tekkubgo bear then
22:28.47Godzmackehehehehehhe
22:28.53Godzmackhttp://kabl.org/pic/Executioner.test.jpg
22:28.56Godzmacklooks like this :p
22:29.37ZhinjioFrom a UI perspective what sort of object makes sense to use as a hover anchor
22:29.42Zhinjiosomething that isn't a button, preferablt.
22:29.57Tekkubthink you have to be a button to get mouse
22:29.58ZhinjioJust some text, maybe.
22:30.01Zhinjiooh.
22:30.03Zhinjiohmm.
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22:30.11Tekkubyou can attach a font string for text
22:30.31Xelopherisokay, I looked at that /bwcb thing.. and that's a one time bar, not auto-recurring.
22:30.56ZhinjioHmm. That gives me an idea.
22:30.58XelopherisI'm looking for putting extra /rws into my magtheridon file for a 15s warning to blastwave
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22:33.33ToadkillerTekkub: Hey tek, will there be a decision on an objectLink any time soon?
22:33.58Tekkubdunno, I've just been tossing ideas at it
22:34.32ToadkillerSo who decides?
22:35.00Tekkubthe person writing the lib?
22:35.08Funkeh`Xelopheris, Yeah its one time, you can macro it though
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22:35.32Funkeh`Xelopheris, Whats the recurring timer you are timing anyway?
22:35.36ToadkillerOk so you are talking about it being dealt with in Ace3 then?
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23:20.00CIA-1203hyperactiveChipmunk 07Alpha * r52824 10Ace3/AceTab-3.0/AceTab-3.0.lua: (log message trimmed)
23:20.00CIA-12AceTab-3.0:
23:20.00CIA-12- API CHANGE: Use nil prematch instead of the empty string to designate a fallback completion
23:20.00CIA-12- Split off creation of match table on a frame to a separate function
23:20.00CIA-12- Fallback and non-fallback completions are separated on registration, and
23:20.00CIA-12processing fallback completions only happens after all non-fallback completions
23:20.04CIA-12have been processed and no matches are found (previously, all completions were
23:24.06CIA-1203sayclub * r52825 10BigWigs/ (Core.lua Prototype.lua):
23:24.06CIA-12BigWigs:
23:24.06CIA-12- Updated localization koKR
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