| 00:00.11 | Pkekyo | actually, we were talking about drain life |
| 00:00.16 | [dRaCo] | well, in th arena, every high rating warrior has a personal healer and 'lolherald' |
| 00:00.19 | CIA-12 | 03sylvanaar * r52321 10EnhancedLFG/ (. core.lua): EnhancedLFG: Clear the pending names list every Guild_Update(), was only doing it for updates which occured while the list was showing. |
| 00:00.35 | Pkekyo | [dRaCo]: and pretty much all locks you can find is SL/SL |
| 00:00.45 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 00:00.55 | Pkekyo | which completely invalidate kebinusan's statements |
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| 00:01.43 | Nerox | Are their any pre-skinned files for the Skinner Addon? Like something just for the default Blizz UI? |
| 00:01.49 | kebinusan | I dont see how it invalidates anything in real pvp which isnt 1v1 warriors dont have problems with any cloth class |
| 00:01.55 | kebinusan | at least not warlocks |
| 00:02.02 | kebinusan | the buff to wound/ms is completely stupid |
| 00:02.18 | durcyn | punitive, is the word i'd use. |
| 00:02.32 | charon | heh... /popcorn |
| 00:02.35 | Pkekyo | as is every buff warlocks have gotten the last couple of years |
| 00:02.45 | Kemayo | As a pure PvE warlock, I care not about this MS buff. |
| 00:03.07 | Diao | honestly it was needed |
| 00:03.17 | Diao | because warlocks draining for 500/tick with drain life was pretty gay :P |
| 00:03.18 | Pkekyo | it's a slight indirect buff to MS -at best- |
| 00:03.38 | kebinusan | It wasnt needed, because in effect it nerfs other specs w/o addressing the real problems of sl/sl |
| 00:03.47 | kebinusan | they should have moved fel concentration out of reach of soul link |
| 00:04.22 | Pkekyo | it's not needed because it also affects other aspects of the class? |
| 00:04.48 | Arrowmaster | if they moved it up the tree, reduced the talent point cost, and moved something down into its place i would be perfectly happy with that |
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| 00:05.14 | bluspacecow | hey guys |
| 00:05.23 | Pkekyo | look at the crap they're pulling with the warrior trees... it's the same crap, they're giving arms all the talents any pvp warrior allready use, but moves DW completely out of reach for fury warriors |
| 00:05.25 | Pkekyo | hi cow |
| 00:05.32 | bluspacecow | anyone else having problems accessing files.wowace.com ? |
| 00:05.37 | bluspacecow | could just be my dns |
| 00:06.04 | Diao | it works for me |
| 00:06.06 | Arrowmaster | i havent been on the ptr to check yet but what exactly is the soul siphon change? |
| 00:06.20 | Diao | a little lagged, but works fine |
| 00:06.26 | kebinusan | Arrowmaster: just a 1% nerf its 2/4% and soul siphon no longer affects drain mana |
| 00:06.26 | bluspacecow | Arrowmaster : There is a new reagant cost : 2 Brown cookies |
| 00:06.45 | kebinusan | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.23 | Arrowmaster | not bad |
| 00:07.39 | Arrowmaster | so 1242 absorb for me instead of the 900 some |
| 00:07.57 | Arrowmaster | which is odd since i have 1241 +shadow |
| 00:08.30 | kebinusan | and the soul well portal now appears instantly |
| 00:09.06 | Wobwork | PS, hullo pally threat reduction talent! |
| 00:09.12 | Wobwork | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366553374&sid=1 |
| 00:09.26 | Diao | yea |
| 00:09.29 | Diao | funny how paladins are now asking |
| 00:09.32 | Diao | for it to be linked to 2h spec |
| 00:09.33 | Diao | so they can tank as ret |
| 00:09.41 | weab | Recluse: the error message probably changed since i last played my druid. should be a simple matter of adding the new error message to a table |
| 00:09.56 | bluspacecow | Personally I am loving the priest holy DoT |
| 00:10.03 | Wobwork | Diao: Well noone is ever happy =P |
| 00:10.11 | kenlyric | bluspacecow: what holy dot? |
| 00:10.13 | Recluse | weab: oh cool |
| 00:10.17 | Wobwork | Chastise? |
| 00:10.23 | bluspacecow | Yep ! |
| 00:10.28 | kenlyric | oh, i thought it was direct damage |
| 00:10.32 | Wobwork | oh so did I =) |
| 00:10.36 | Wobwork | A stun + DD |
| 00:10.43 | Wobwork | how's it work? |
| 00:10.44 | bluspacecow | Chastise - holy dmg over time , a stun and a quick cast time |
| 00:10.56 | bluspacecow | 0.5 sec cast with a reasonable cool down |
| 00:11.07 | kenlyric | so it's like holy fire, without the 27 minute cast time? |
| 00:11.17 | Diao | .5 sec cast |
| 00:11.17 | bluspacecow | yep ;) |
| 00:11.19 | Diao | so it has terrible scaling |
| 00:11.23 | Diao | but very fast |
| 00:11.27 | Diao | t's quite nice |
| 00:11.28 | Diao | it's* |
| 00:11.40 | Diao | and it's an incapacitate not a stun i believe |
| 00:11.45 | bluspacecow | woops you're right |
| 00:11.45 | Diao | so it will break on dmg |
| 00:11.47 | bluspacecow | not a dot |
| 00:11.52 | kenlyric | heh |
| 00:11.54 | bluspacecow | Chastise |
| 00:11.54 | bluspacecow | Rank 6 |
| 00:11.54 | bluspacecow | 300 Mana |
| 00:11.54 | bluspacecow | 20 yd range |
| 00:11.54 | bluspacecow | 0.5 sec cast |
| 00:11.55 | bluspacecow | 30 sec cooldown |
| 00:11.57 | bluspacecow | Chastise the target, causing 370 to 430 Holy damage and Incapacitates them for up to 2 sec. Any damage caused will awaken the target. Only works against Humanoids. This spell causes very low threat. |
| 00:11.59 | Mecdemort | how do i use rock to see someones spec? |
| 00:12.03 | kenlyric | a dot + incapacate would make no sense :) |
| 00:12.14 | bluspacecow | Mecdemort : its CowTip not rock |
| 00:12.29 | Stanzilla | its Rock |
| 00:12.39 | Mecdemort | ya its in rock |
| 00:12.40 | Stanzilla | that provides the info :D |
| 00:12.41 | bluspacecow | i thought it was DogTags |
| 00:12.50 | Mecdemort | dogtag/cowtip use rock |
| 00:12.53 | bluspacecow | but CowTip to display it |
| 00:12.53 | Wobwork | wow |
| 00:12.57 | Wobwork | a 300 mana silence =P |
| 00:13.11 | Wobwork | although not instant |
| 00:13.11 | bluspacecow | i have no idea on what the tag is tho' |
| 00:13.23 | Mecdemort | hmm |
| 00:13.36 | bluspacecow | wob : no no instant but it might as wel be ...compare that to the cast time of smite |
| 00:14.00 | Mecdemort | apparently Talented uses rock's thing too |
| 00:14.16 | kenlyric | talented lets you see the spec point for point |
| 00:14.23 | Pkekyo | isn't the show specc thing datamining of the armory+ |
| 00:14.24 | Pkekyo | ? |
| 00:14.46 | bluspacecow | ha ! now all those ace2 devotees will suddenly switch to rock because of *zomg* new cool feature |
| 00:15.08 | bluspacecow | in 2.3 you can inspect for people's spec anyway |
| 00:15.12 | Pkekyo | had to switch to rock 'cause my addons started to break :< |
| 00:15.39 | bluspacecow | so any arguments about it being data mining are moot because Blizz are putting their own thing in to view talents in game |
| 00:15.43 | kenlyric | Pkekyo: no, it's broadcast from other rock users. or, in 2.3, from blizzard. |
| 00:16.02 | Pkekyo | kenlyric: even hostiles? |
| 00:16.19 | bluspacecow | oh you guys are updating stuff for 2.3 already |
| 00:16.21 | kenlyric | i dunno. |
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| 00:16.27 | Pkekyo | bluspacecow: ofcourse |
| 00:16.36 | kenlyric | i think i remember seeing it working and thinking that was strange. |
| 00:16.44 | bluspacecow | Pkekyo: *haha* i thought mobs didnt have talent trees ;) |
| 00:16.55 | Pkekyo | bluspacecow: horde/alliance |
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| 00:16.59 | bluspacecow | oh pls call me blu ;) |
| 00:17.03 | bluspacecow | oooo right |
| 00:17.29 | Pkekyo | kenlyric: if memory serves, seeing hostile's speccs in cowtip used to be datamined from armory atleast |
| 00:17.32 | bluspacecow | i would applaud the person who could mouse over somone in pvp and use their talent tree against them |
| 00:17.50 | bluspacecow | but then again ...im not a pvper |
| 00:18.03 | Pkekyo | bluspacecow: it's possible, but only as to their specc, not their specific talents |
| 00:18.16 | kenlyric | bluspacecow: it's ok, blizzard thinks that idea is dumb too. |
| 00:18.26 | kenlyric | Pkekyo: sure you can |
| 00:18.36 | kenlyric | talented mod will show them all :) |
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| 00:18.51 | Pkekyo | really? how? |
| 00:18.56 | bluspacecow | so you would make a snap decision and go with it ...just like seeing a tauren in an amor set using a particular set of abilities and make guesses |
| 00:19.19 | bluspacecow | Pkekyo : have you been on the PTR yet ? Inspecting them shows their talent tree |
| 00:19.25 | Pkekyo | and even though you might be able to check, you won't spend a couple of minutes studying your opponent's talent tree whilst being ganked |
| 00:19.43 | Pkekyo | bluspacecow: no, haven't...I hardly have the time to play wow at all |
| 00:20.00 | bluspacecow | ... unless of course you're a rogue so you sneak up ...inspect their talent trees and report back to your bg group |
| 00:20.16 | kenlyric | you have what, a minute to setup for arena? |
| 00:20.16 | bluspacecow | inspect distance has been changed apparently too |
| 00:20.55 | Pkekyo | bluspacecow: if that started happening in larger scale, blizz would nerf it in an instant... |
| 00:20.55 | Pkekyo | and yes, inspect range will be increased to 30 yards in 2.3 |
| 00:21.13 | Pkekyo | kenlyric: correctemundo...if you click the 'enter arena' button fast enough, anyways... |
| 00:21.14 | bluspacecow | Pkekyo : on the PTR when you inspect someone it has a "PVP" and a "Talents" tab on it ... You can see exactly where they have spent their talents |
| 00:21.37 | Pkekyo | bluspacecow: I know, I read the patch notes...thing is; you can't inspect hostiles at all |
| 00:21.41 | Xinhuan | wow.exe also crashes if you switch targets to inspect someone's else talents without first closing the inspect pane. |
| 00:21.47 | kenlyric | ck should worry that they've bugged his machine :) |
| 00:22.06 | bluspacecow | of course most people dont spend their talents when they get on the PTR so most inspects bring up nothing spent ;) |
| 00:22.10 | Pkekyo | is ck around btw? |
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| 00:22.21 | bluspacecow | i think he's hiding ;) |
| 00:22.27 | bluspacecow | behind an alias |
| 00:22.42 | Pkekyo | fucksake...this ridiculous rock config on every goddamn fubar misclick has got_to_go |
| 00:22.44 | bluspacecow | cccckkkkkkk ...where are you <looks behind couch> |
| 00:22.56 | Xinhuan | dont misclick then |
| 00:23.05 | bluspacecow | Pkekyo submit that on his fish thingy |
| 00:23.06 | Xinhuan | i.e don't use a "bottom" fubar |
| 00:23.23 | Pkekyo | Xinhuan: you don't do it on purpose, that's why it's called a _mis_click |
| 00:23.31 | Pkekyo | and I don't use a bottom fubar |
| 00:23.34 | Pkekyo | bluspacecow: fish thingy? |
| 00:23.49 | Xinhuan | but you won't misclick if you don't put fubar near anywhere you would normally click! |
| 00:23.51 | bluspacecow | its a special website for submittng bugs and suggestions |
| 00:23.53 | Xinhuan | i haven't ever misclicked |
| 00:23.56 | Xinhuan | fubar |
| 00:24.00 | Arrowmaster | jira.wowace.com |
| 00:24.10 | bluspacecow | there that fishy ! Jira ! |
| 00:24.15 | Pkekyo | Xinhuan: then you're not using my plugins :) |
| 00:24.17 | kenlyric | Xinhuan: you're lying. |
| 00:24.21 | kenlyric | or you don't use fubar |
| 00:24.21 | Xinhuan | i'm not lying |
| 00:24.35 | kenlyric | those icons are very tiny! |
| 00:24.37 | Xinhuan | my fubar is filled up about 90% across the entire length |
| 00:24.37 | bluspacecow | Xinhuan == ck in disguise |
| 00:24.45 | bluspacecow | >_> j/k |
| 00:24.48 | Xinhuan | so there's only a small 10% area to misclick ;p |
| 00:24.58 | Xinhuan | just change the size of your font or something |
| 00:25.03 | bluspacecow | Xinhuan : that talent inspection bug : has it been reported ? |
| 00:25.13 | Xinhuan | its on ptr forums, i'm sure |
| 00:25.57 | bluspacecow | well im on a mac so it may not affect me ...im going to go test it all the same |
| 00:26.54 | kenlyric | Xinhuan: the issue is there's no padding around any of the icons. the bar is mostly fubar, even when filled up with just icons. |
| 00:27.28 | kenlyric | and the fact that fubar plugins randomly use left-click/right-click for different things. |
| 00:27.42 | Xinhuan | you know you can change the padding right? |
| 00:27.46 | kenlyric | fubar needs a "fubar options" plugin. |
| 00:27.47 | Xinhuan | mine's set to 2 pixels |
| 00:27.54 | Xinhuan | so there is literally no space |
| 00:28.02 | kenlyric | i'll have to check that out |
| 00:28.07 | Pkekyo | huh...not every day you see a mand bludgeoned to death with a fifteen-inch purple steel dildo... |
| 00:28.26 | kenlyric | maybe I should look at that godawful screen when it pops up. |
| 00:28.28 | bluspacecow | Xinhuan : nope no crashing when switching inspect targets while having the talent inspect pane open ... i just switch to that persons inspect pane |
| 00:28.29 | Pkekyo | s/mand/man/ |
| 00:28.48 | Xinhuan | hmm maybe it only crashes sometimes |
| 00:29.47 | kenlyric | actually, tying the config screen to an icon would be a good idea, to give people a choice. it could be an external mod, even. Fubar_FubarOpsFu? |
| 00:29.59 | bluspacecow | well the first time i tried it i had bug sack/bug grabber on |
| 00:30.13 | kenlyric | i think fubar is the config I use the least, and the one I see the most. |
| 00:30.34 | kenlyric | even before rock config, that giant dropdown menu would come up all the time. |
| 00:30.34 | bluspacecow | kenlyric : that sounds like a swedish dish : fubr fubar ops fu ! mmmmmm yummy |
| 00:32.20 | Pkekyo | I hate ck for doing that rock config bullshit... I WANT MY DROPDOWN MENU BACK |
| 00:32.36 | JoshBorke | too bad. dropdowns suck |
| 00:32.47 | kenlyric | I tend to not *hate* people who write the mods I like. |
| 00:32.48 | Korben | hey anyone here knows stuff about Autobar ? |
| 00:32.52 | Korben | the new one |
| 00:32.53 | durcyn | water sucks, gatorate is better. |
| 00:33.00 | durcyn | gatorade, whatever |
| 00:33.02 | kenlyric | also, to not hate people online anyway, cause, meh. |
| 00:33.14 | Stanzilla | Pkekyo: you suck |
| 00:33.27 | Pkekyo | Stanzilla: you can't prove a thing! |
| 00:33.36 | Wobwork | bah, the whole point of an online existance is the ability to anonymously dislike people |
| 00:33.41 | kenlyric | yeah, I think the new window is better. I just want it bound to a single icon, or to a modified click, or some kind of option. But this padding thing is processing. |
| 00:33.45 | Stanzilla | well and you hate people for doing their thing.. |
| 00:33.48 | Wobwork | it's the basis on which the internet is designed for! |
| 00:33.54 | kenlyric | oh, I dislike lots of online people :) |
| 00:34.01 | Wobwork | That's the spirit! |
| 00:34.22 | kenlyric | and you're ugly |
| 00:34.55 | bluspacecow | oooo im not getting a crash but im getting an addon error |
| 00:35.32 | JoshBorke | what's the website for guild progression tracking? |
| 00:35.43 | Pkekyo | wowjutsu |
| 00:35.51 | JoshBorke | thanks |
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| 00:36.19 | kenlyric | wonder what value they will give to ZA :) |
| 00:36.42 | PogoTribal | Hey guys quick question... is there an Ace2 network monitoring tool that will show me which mods are sending out the most information? |
| 00:36.58 | PogoTribal | Also, grats on hosting by Curse, that's awesome. |
| 00:37.17 | Pkekyo | hosting what by curse? |
| 00:37.19 | kenlyric | oh god |
| 00:37.23 | kenlyric | what did I miss |
| 00:37.27 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 00:37.37 | bluspacecow | FubarPreformanceFu |
| 00:37.38 | Pkekyo | an addon? |
| 00:37.43 | PogoTribal | Front page of wowace.com says that Curse is hosting some servers for WoWace |
| 00:37.55 | PogoTribal | PerformanceFu shows me what's using hwo much memory, I want to see the network output |
| 00:38.08 | Pkekyo | don't think I've ever been at the wowace front page |
| 00:38.27 | kenlyric | files.wowace.com is nice and unusable at 1024res |
| 00:38.39 | CIA-12 | 03grayhoof * r52322 10sct_options/options.lua: sct_options: PTR 2.3 temporary fix for slider event bug that is causing crashes |
| 00:38.54 | kenlyric | ah, sidebar |
| 00:39.02 | PogoTribal | Looks useable to me. |
| 00:39.23 | Kemayo | kenlyric: Yeah, I told Kaelten ages ago. |
| 00:39.38 | Kaelten | I know :s |
| 00:39.44 | Kaelten | I've actualyl been trying to make it better |
| 00:39.50 | Kaelten | it works find in FF I believe |
| 00:39.56 | Kemayo | To his credit, the ad in the header no longer covers up the title! |
| 00:40.00 | Kaelten | fine* |
| 00:40.10 | kenlyric | no, this is FF |
| 00:40.10 | Kaelten | its ie thats not rendering right anymore |
| 00:40.16 | Kaelten | ? |
| 00:40.19 | kenlyric | the ad floats over the table |
| 00:40.25 | Kemayo | Kaelten: I'm using FF3, and the side ad is defintely still covering stuff up. |
| 00:40.28 | kenlyric | the right-side ad |
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| 00:40.44 | kenlyric | especially after I sort |
| 00:40.59 | kenlyric | I sort by revision number, and can't see the revision number anymore... so it's not that bad. |
| 00:41.01 | Kaelten | I've debated hiding the category view and using javascript to show it |
| 00:41.10 | kenlyric | i'd rather just not be at 1024. stupid pentium3 |
| 00:41.17 | Pkekyo | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1192579917503.png |
| 00:41.27 | Kaelten | pentium3? |
| 00:41.29 | Kaelten | ewe |
| 00:41.36 | kenlyric | 750mhz! |
| 00:41.50 | Kaelten | double ewe |
| 00:41.52 | kenlyric | it's time to beg for an old abandoned laptop from work again. |
| 00:42.00 | Kemayo | I'm not at 1024... but I don't use full-screen browser windows, either. |
| 00:42.00 | Kaelten | heh |
| 00:42.15 | Kaelten | ya I don't either. |
| 00:42.41 | kenlyric | firefox does some pretty dumb things with tables. |
| 00:42.51 | kenlyric | try printing a continuous table that's more than one page... |
| 00:44.03 | bluspacecow | >_< Pkekyo .... |
| 00:44.25 | Pkekyo | bluspacecow: agreed |
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| 00:46.09 | Pkekyo | http://www.worldofraids.com/news/october/arena/warrior-skin.jpg jesus titty fucking christ |
| 00:46.27 | kenlyric | lollol |
| 00:46.44 | Kaelten | kenlyric you have firebug installed? |
| 00:47.16 | kenlyric | exactly like the x-files bounty hunter. vulnerable at the back of the neck |
| 00:47.20 | kenlyric | no, but I can. |
| 00:47.54 | bluspacecow | man ken how do you pee in that ? |
| 00:48.41 | CIA-12 | 03chexsum * r52323 10KillingSpree/ (. KillingSpree.lua KillingSpree.toc embeds.xml): |
| 00:48.42 | CIA-12 | KillingSpree: |
| 00:48.42 | CIA-12 | - Changed most libraries from Ace2 to Rock |
| 00:48.52 | kenlyric | you're a tank. some dps will lick your armor clean |
| 00:49.13 | bluspacecow | :_; i aint licking that ! |
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| 00:50.47 | Pkekyo | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1296189957&sid=1 ftw<3 |
| 00:53.19 | kenlyric | Kaelten: what do you want me to check? |
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| 00:56.14 | CIA-12 | 03nymbia * r52324 10Tattle/Tattle.lua: |
| 00:56.14 | CIA-12 | Tattle: |
| 00:56.14 | CIA-12 | - Possible fix for errors when mousing over far away party members. |
| 00:56.53 | CIA-12 | 03nymbia * r52325 10Tattle/Tattle.lua: |
| 00:56.53 | CIA-12 | Tattle: |
| 00:56.53 | CIA-12 | - Add a note to scratch that hack after 2.3 |
| 00:59.35 | Kaelten | I have an idea, going to have to make the categories not show up all the time I think |
| 01:00.31 | Pkekyo | great idea!! |
| 01:00.39 | Pkekyo | what you on about btw? |
| 01:00.57 | Kaelten | huh? |
| 01:01.40 | Kaelten | talking about the files page |
| 01:01.40 | kenlyric | better, make a negative filter :) |
| 01:01.40 | Pkekyo | sounds like fun |
| 01:01.40 | Kaelten | ? |
| 01:01.40 | Pkekyo | I need to go pass out...see y'all in the morning |
| 01:01.47 | Kaelten | negative filter? |
| 01:02.09 | kenlyric | so I can remove development tools. |
| 01:02.19 | Kaelten | lol |
| 01:02.53 | CIA-12 | 03chexsum * r52326 10KillingSpree/KillingSpree.lua: |
| 01:02.53 | CIA-12 | KillingSpree: |
| 01:02.53 | CIA-12 | - Added tooltip update when addon is enabled |
| 01:05.13 | kenlyric | every few days I check out files and sort by revision to see if there are any new mods that have passed me by :) There might be a niche I haven't filled yet! |
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| 01:10.57 | I_D | QuestTimerFrame / QuestWatchFrame |
| 01:11.13 | I_D | transparant blocks I can move in my ui, but I can't find how to lock them |
| 01:11.22 | I_D | they keep jumping back to my minimap |
| 01:11.29 | I_D | what mod handles them? |
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| 01:12.09 | Aeyan | simpleminimap |
| 01:12.17 | I_D | ah yes, I use that |
| 01:12.27 | I_D | how can I set the blocks to remain at the position I want them to be? |
| 01:12.39 | Aeyan | Dunno about other mods, but it doesn't play nice with beql that I also use |
| 01:12.47 | I_D | beql? |
| 01:12.58 | Aeyan | So I deleted the questwatchframe out of the mover.lua |
| 01:13.23 | Aeyan | Well, you can lock down the boxes by right clicking the minimap and selecting lock minimap |
| 01:13.32 | Aeyan | But sometimes other mods don't play nice |
| 01:15.01 | I_D | yeah I noticed that too |
| 01:15.08 | I_D | Bongos seems to have a few problems with it |
| 01:15.17 | kenlyric | wow, rss feed. |
| 01:15.22 | kenlyric | crack right into the VEIN |
| 01:15.36 | I_D | hmmm that's be nice, rss feeds in wow |
| 01:15.41 | I_D | so I can read during my dailies :D |
| 01:15.46 | I_D | *that'd |
| 01:16.24 | kenlyric | the simpleminimap implementation of questwatcframe/questtimerframe is fairly basic. |
| 01:16.49 | kenlyric | you can move them, but only if you enable movers, and then you have to keep all movers enabled, even if you only want the timer. |
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| 01:19.06 | kenlyric | now need an rss feed to changelongs. |
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| 01:27.17 | nymbia | arent there 2 or3? |
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| 01:28.38 | kenlyric | they go to whatever the mod as listed as its website. |
| 01:28.42 | CIA-12 | 03sylvanaar * r52327 10EnhancedLFG/core.lua: EnhancedLFG: Some code cleanup |
| 01:28.46 | kenlyric | one is no-ext, one is embeds. |
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| 01:33.16 | nymbia | http://groups-beta.google.com/group/wowace/feed/rss_v2_0_topics.xml?num=50 ? |
| 01:33.40 | nymbia | not the best diffs |
| 01:33.51 | nymbia | but good enough for me |
| 01:35.33 | kenlyric | i use sage feeds, anyone have a better one? it says it checks for updates automatically, but actually doesn't. |
| 01:35.34 | CIA-12 | 03sylvanaar * r52328 10EnhancedLFG/core.lua: EnhancedLFG: missed one |
| 01:37.57 | kenlyric | that's perfect. exactly what I want. |
| 01:50.38 | CIA-12 | 03sylvanaar * r52329 10Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: arg 2,3,6,9 were being set to "" when they were nil |
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| 02:26.03 | Jaxon | http://www.terminusguild.net/images/friends.jpg |
| 02:26.05 | Jaxon | I like this. |
| 02:26.41 | Jaxon | Also, this is the wrong channel. |
| 02:26.45 | Jaxon | Feel free to ignore me. |
| 02:27.50 | JoshBorke | lol |
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| 02:44.50 | CIA-12 | 03ackis * r52330 10AckisRecipeList/ (ARLLocals-enGB.lua AckisRecipeList.toc): |
| 02:44.50 | CIA-12 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 02:44.50 | CIA-12 | - Fixed local issue |
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| 02:45.45 | CIA-12 | 03nogudnik * r52331 10Skillet/UI/MainFrame.lua: |
| 02:45.45 | CIA-12 | Skillet: |
| 02:45.45 | CIA-12 | - Add asserts to ensure correct params passed |
| 02:45.45 | CIA-12 | - call show_button callback for recipe headers as well. |
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| 03:47.23 | Balstor | gg |
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| 04:04.16 | sylvanaar | i wrote a c style listing generator which merges lua listings with the original source if anyone wants it, i couldnt find one for some reason |
| 04:16.14 | CIA-12 | 03chexsum * r52332 10KillingSpree/ (. KillingSpree.lua KillingSpree.toc embeds.xml): |
| 04:16.14 | CIA-12 | KillingSpree: |
| 04:16.14 | CIA-12 | - Added AceLibrary to embeds |
| 04:19.59 | theoddone33 | I specced my 54 mage arcane |
| 04:19.59 | theoddone33 | not the best idea for mana efficiency |
| 04:20.00 | Corgan | lol |
| 04:20.01 | theoddone33 | it's amusing though |
| 04:20.04 | theoddone33 | and I have a lot of spell dmg |
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| 04:33.21 | Mecdemort | is there any benefit of using ipairs() over a numeric for from 1 to #table? |
| 04:36.52 | Xinhuan | no |
| 04:36.56 | Xinhuan | always use #table |
| 04:37.08 | Xinhuan | because ipairs() is a function call on every iteration |
| 04:37.25 | Mecdemort | ok thought so, so why do they even have ipairs? |
| 04:37.35 | Xinhuan | because #table is added only recently |
| 04:37.38 | Xinhuan | in v5.0 lua |
| 04:37.41 | Mecdemort | ah i see |
| 04:37.43 | Xinhuan | or something |
| 04:37.57 | Xinhuan | table.getn(t) is now deprecated as a result i think |
| 04:38.30 | Ellipsis | lulz |
| 04:38.55 | Ellipsis | I linked my bf to that post about the pally threat reduction talent |
| 04:39.01 | Ellipsis | and he said "wait...pallies do damage?" |
| 04:39.28 | NightHawkTheSane | pallies havea threat reduction talent? |
| 04:39.37 | theoddone33 | well geared ones do crazy burst |
| 04:39.41 | theoddone33 | if they're alliance |
| 04:39.57 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, i'm aware. it'sone of the primary reasons no one ever uses them in raids |
| 04:40.23 | CIA-12 | 03chexsum * r52333 10KillingSpree/ (. KillingSpree.toc embeds.xml): |
| 04:40.23 | CIA-12 | KillingSpree: |
| 04:40.23 | CIA-12 | - Fixed extra TabletLib embeds |
| 04:40.24 | theoddone33 | makes more sense for horde |
| 04:40.28 | NightHawkTheSane | but that's distinctly not the question i asked |
| 04:40.37 | theoddone33 | I don't recall seeing it in the patch notes either |
| 04:40.43 | theoddone33 | re threat reduction talent |
| 04:40.56 | theoddone33 | also I distinctly wasn't answring you |
| 04:40.58 | theoddone33 | zing! |
| 04:41.05 | durcyn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366553374&postId=23663518766&sid=1#0 |
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| 04:41.49 | NightHawkTheSane | that's never stopped me from being condescending before. :P |
| 04:43.10 | theoddone33 | nobody condescends to a sub-60 arcane mage and gets away with it |
| 04:43.14 | Mecdemort | Theres no error if you register the same event multiple times with Ace2Event right? |
| 04:44.13 | Balstor | wxplain to me how we can fight the headless horseman in 2 days if all his stuff is in the 2.3 patch? |
| 04:44.49 | chexsum | hes untargettable in ptr |
| 04:45.23 | Balstor | yhea but halloween starts on live servers in 2 days, and i want my pumpkin |
| 04:45.48 | chexsum | theyll probably patch it that day :P |
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| 04:46.34 | Balstor | neat pot why the /stopcasting fix may not work as intended http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/2366553004.htm |
| 04:46.43 | Balstor | s/pot/post |
| 04:47.56 | Ellipsis | um, duh |
| 04:48.14 | Ellipsis | didn't people figure that out immediately upon reading patch notes? >_> |
| 04:49.27 | durcyn | yes, but it gets old telling yourself "oh, that's dumb" for every line in patch.txt |
| 04:50.12 | Balstor | i usually just save a 10 minute @#$%$$$ till after the warrior nerf section |
| 04:50.32 | Balstor | But they may get rid of the warrior intercept dead zone :) |
| 04:55.17 | Paene | is there a way to remove an attribute from a button? |
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| 05:11.35 | Mecdemort | how much is a function call compared to a table lookup |
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| 05:30.17 | theoddone33 | autoturnin never supports quests I really want to automatically turn in, and then sometimes doesn't let me turn in nonrepeatable quests from a questgiver if he happens to give a repeatable quest :( |
| 05:30.29 | CIA-12 | 03next96 * r52334 10GemHelper/ (GemHelper.xml GemHelper_Localization.koKR.lua): |
| 05:30.29 | CIA-12 | GemHelper : |
| 05:30.29 | CIA-12 | - Add locale koKR |
| 05:30.37 | theoddone33 | but when it works it's great |
| 05:30.46 | Kerafyrm | i wish metahud was done by ace devs :( |
| 05:32.38 | Gngsk | Kemayo, ping |
| 05:36.37 | CIA-12 | 03mecdemort * r52335 10/branches/JAHUD/ (7 files): JAHUD: - initial commit. NOT USABLE YET! |
| 05:39.01 | Kemayo | Gngsk: Pong? |
| 05:39.09 | Kerafyrm | ohhh.. an ace hud? |
| 05:39.20 | Kemayo | Kerafyrm: Hardly the only one. |
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| 05:40.06 | Mecdemort | the bestest one that doesnt actually exist yet! |
| 05:40.11 | Kerafyrm | heh |
| 05:40.28 | Mecdemort | tho give it a few days and it could be a decent paper weight |
| 05:40.47 | Kerafyrm | what are your plans, Mecdemort? |
| 05:41.43 | Paene | Anyone know if there's a way to detect if a specific item has been used? |
| 05:41.50 | Mecdemort | complete UnitFrame replacement in hud form |
| 05:42.03 | Mecdemort | uber minimalistic and low impact, but still all the information necesary |
| 05:42.11 | Kerafyrm | as in, player and target frame, i presume |
| 05:42.18 | Kerafyrm | or you talking the whole shebang |
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| 05:42.34 | Mecdemort | player, target, pet, party |
| 05:42.40 | Mecdemort | focus |
| 05:42.53 | Mecdemort | and very customizable |
| 05:42.55 | Kerafyrm | party too huh |
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| 05:43.27 | Kerafyrm | awesome |
| 05:43.52 | Mecdemort | and not using xml frames so there wont be half a million globals etc |
| 05:44.40 | Kerafyrm | heh |
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| 06:09.57 | CIA-12 | 03next96 * r52336 10ag_UnitFrames/locales/ag_UnitFrames-koKR.lua: |
| 06:09.57 | CIA-12 | ag_UnitFrames: |
| 06:09.57 | CIA-12 | - Update locale koKR |
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| 06:17.57 | CIA-12 | 03quagmire * r52337 10nQuestLog/modules/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 06:17.57 | CIA-12 | nQuestLog: |
| 06:17.57 | CIA-12 | - Moved "Test output" from SinkLib output menu to Notifications menu to keep from affecting other addons that use SinkLib. |
| 06:17.57 | CIA-12 | - Switched mob tooltip processing back to using UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT, since hooking GameTooltip:OnTooltipSetUnit() and using GetUnit isn't as reliable. |
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| 06:38.07 | CIA-12 | 03hegarol * r52338 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/burningcrusade.en.lua: |
| 06:38.07 | CIA-12 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
| 06:38.07 | CIA-12 | - ZA update |
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| 06:47.28 | CIA-12 | 03xinhuan * r52339 10GemHelper/GemHelper.xml: GemHelper: Fix commit by next96 which undid the XML changes done to make GemHelper work with Skillet (failed to merge differences, overwrote instead). |
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| 06:48.45 | baer_ | moin. |
| 06:49.18 | Wobwork | arnon |
| 06:50.23 | CIA-12 | 03xinhuan * r52340 10GemHelper/: GemHelper: Add a tsvn:logtemplate for convenience, plus force people to full update/checkout before another commit. |
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| 06:53.20 | ckknight | hey everybody |
| 06:53.29 | baer_ | moin ckknight |
| 06:53.51 | baer_ | yes! |
| 06:53.59 | baer_ | charcopy works this morning |
| 06:56.14 | Ellipsis | yummy |
| 06:56.32 | ckknight | not really, it was more like chewy chicken |
| 06:56.36 | ckknight | too stringy, if you ask me |
| 06:56.37 | Kerafyrm | hey ck |
| 06:56.42 | ckknight | granted, it would vary from person to person |
| 06:57.42 | ZealotOnAStick | ckknight: is there anything in parrot to modify the strata that the scrolling messages are on? |
| 06:57.52 | ckknight | I dunno, check the options |
| 06:57.57 | ckknight | I don't think I put that in |
| 06:58.09 | ZealotOnAStick | not that I could find, was asking you in case there was something I missed. |
| 06:58.21 | ZealotOnAStick | consider it a feature request, then? |
| 06:58.36 | Ellipsis | jira is that-a-way ----> |
| 06:59.24 | ckknight | I thought it was ^--- that-a-way |
| 06:59.40 | baer_ | most guys are playing on us-servers here, right? |
| 06:59.48 | ckknight | we must move forwards, not backwards, upwards, not forwards, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom! |
| 07:00.01 | ckknight | baer_: I do, there's a good number of Europeans, though |
| 07:00.06 | baer_ | k |
| 07:00.21 | ckknight | (they're more snooty, though) |
| 07:00.37 | Ellipsis | and they smell funny |
| 07:00.40 | baer_ | *hehe* |
| 07:01.10 | baer_ | well, atm i do, since i skipped shower so far. :-} |
| 07:01.19 | ckknight | *shrug* it's alright |
| 07:01.31 | ckknight | Americans supposedly smell like sour milk |
| 07:01.38 | baer_ | really? |
| 07:01.39 | ramoz | Bibi`: rss fucked again |
| 07:01.41 | ckknight | we've just gotten used to it |
| 07:01.47 | ckknight | baer_: yea, Euros probably do, too |
| 07:01.52 | Bibi` | ramoz : how would you know ? |
| 07:01.59 | baer_ | fits at least for me. |
| 07:02.02 | Bibi` | I didn't post any news for 5 days |
| 07:02.02 | Bibi` | :p |
| 07:02.03 | ckknight | much like how Koreans smell like kim chee |
| 07:02.19 | baer_ | my neighbour is korean. |
| 07:02.21 | ZealotOnAStick | kira ticket added |
| 07:02.24 | ckknight | every race has their own smell, based pretty solely on what they eat |
| 07:02.29 | baer_ | she doesn't smell like kim chee at all. |
| 07:02.34 | ckknight | it depends on diet |
| 07:02.41 | ckknight | a lot of koreans around here eat kim chee |
| 07:02.47 | baer_ | i'll ask her, when she's up. |
| 07:02.47 | ckknight | and thus when they get sweaty, it smells like it |
| 07:03.10 | Ellipsis | but how do we smell like milk then? |
| 07:03.13 | baer_ | my european egoism doesn't even allow me to know, what "kim chee" actually is. ^^ |
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| 07:03.26 | ckknight | because we have a lot of dairy-based products in our diet, as a society |
| 07:03.28 | Ellipsis | spicy pickled stuff koreans love for some reason |
| 07:03.32 | ckknight | not everyone smells like it, of course |
| 07:03.39 | Ellipsis | I like to think I don't smell like sour milk |
| 07:03.41 | baer_ | ok |
| 07:03.45 | Bibi` | and this is why wowwiki was created baer_ : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimchi |
| 07:03.56 | ckknight | Bibi`: wikipedia, not wowwiki |
| 07:04.00 | Bibi` | ... |
| 07:04.02 | Bibi` | I hate you. |
| 07:04.02 | Bibi` | :( |
| 07:04.03 | baer_ | Bibi`: many thanks. |
| 07:04.07 | Ellipsis | there ought to be a wowwiki page on kimchi too though |
| 07:04.08 | Ellipsis | it's in the game |
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| 07:04.13 | ckknight | srsly? |
| 07:04.15 | Ellipsis | yeah |
| 07:04.20 | Ellipsis | a couple of nelf vendors sell it |
| 07:04.26 | Bibi | Patch 1.10 - WoWWiki, the Warcraft wiki |
| 07:04.26 | Bibi | The Innkeeper in Everlook now sells Winter Kimchi. |
| 07:04.28 | Ellipsis | it's a mid-level food |
| 07:04.29 | Bibi | Haha ! |
| 07:04.30 | baer_ | it's without meat? oO |
| 07:04.44 | baer_ | no! no! no! |
| 07:04.49 | Orionshock | morning all |
| 07:04.51 | ckknight | note: I'm really not being negatively racist, I'm not saying foreigners are less than whole people because they smell funny et al |
| 07:04.56 | baer_ | my religion doesn't allow me to eat any meals without meat. |
| 07:04.59 | ckknight | hey Orionshock |
| 07:05.05 | ckknight | baer_: ...oh? |
| 07:05.17 | baer_ | there must be at least one vegetarian in it. |
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| 07:05.21 | baer_ | ...or other meat. |
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| 07:07.57 | ckknight | fight! |
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| 07:09.39 | baer_ | ok, my neighbour awakened and says kimchi sucks. :-p |
| 07:10.18 | baer_ | so far for korean food. |
| 07:11.44 | ckknight | it's an acquired taste |
| 07:11.46 | ckknight | I don't like it |
| 07:11.57 | ckknight | I_D: depends on who makes it, there's many different kinds of chinese food |
| 07:12.04 | ckknight | depends on ingredients as well |
| 07:12.21 | CIA-12 | 03toadkiller * r52342 10AutoBar/ (21 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 07:12.21 | CIA-12 | AutoBar: |
| 07:12.21 | CIA-12 | -- 2.02.03.9 beta |
| 07:12.21 | CIA-12 | -- Remove bindings display for old 1-24 buttons |
| 07:12.21 | CIA-12 | -- Fix AutoBar/Bars Frame Level |
| 07:12.22 | CIA-12 | -- Crafting buttons category. Just to bring up the dialogs. For actual crafting use a crafting mod that deals with the horrible API. |
| 07:12.25 | CIA-12 | -- LibBabble-Spell-3.0 |
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| 07:12.55 | baer_ | back to wow: anyone has an idea, when 2.3 will be on the live servers? |
| 07:12.58 | I_D | ckknight: I agree completely |
| 07:13.14 | I_D | I only like 1 chinese restaurant in my city, and there's like 8 |
| 07:14.07 | Kerafyrm | anyone know of anything similiar to CCWatch? looks like 2.3 is finally gonna send it to the deeps |
| 07:14.22 | Codayus | BigBrother? |
| 07:14.29 | baer_ | Kerafyrm: bigbrother works a bit like ccwatch. |
| 07:14.33 | Codayus | What does CCWatch do, and how is it breaking? |
| 07:15.42 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: autobar doesn't seem to remember the enabled/disabled state of some buttons, for example "Buff Weapon Off Hand" |
| 07:15.46 | Kerafyrm | I don't have the errors handy, but give me a bit and i'll pull em. And CCWatch pops up timer bars for various spells on targeted mobs/enemies |
| 07:16.06 | Kerafyrm | better desc: CCWatch tracks character crowd control, buff and debuff effects with a selectable behavior : your target only, 5 last targets, any mob. CCWatch displays up to 5 progress per effect type (buff/debuff/CC) on targets : |
| 07:16.16 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: also, it still doesn't show the "Guardian Elixir" or "Battle and Guardian Elixir" buttons even if I have 10+ other buttons disabled. |
| 07:16.29 | Codayus | Ah, BigBrother just tells you who breaks CC. |
| 07:16.40 | Codayus | Hmm, NECB probably does the same thing. |
| 07:16.49 | cryogen | Toadkiller: also, it doesnt hide buttons where you ran out of a certain consumable |
| 07:16.57 | Codayus | ...but then, it does so much that you can pick a random feature and it probably does that. |
| 07:17.07 | Kerafyrm | NECB? |
| 07:17.24 | baer_ | Kerafyrm: natural enemy castbar. |
| 07:17.35 | Kerafyrm | gotcha |
| 07:17.43 | Codayus | ("Hmm, I need a mod to tell me a recipe for chocolate cake." "Get NECB, it'll even bake it for you!" |
| 07:18.36 | Kerafyrm | lol |
| 07:18.40 | QuantumDelta | Natur enemy cast bar :P |
| 07:18.56 | Kerafyrm | if it does that much i hope that it has as much as or many customatization as discord *ducks* :P |
| 07:19.25 | kebinusan | I invited your best friend, weighted companion cube |
| 07:19.26 | Codayus | I guess, the option panel is huge, confusing, poorly documented, and frankly intimidating. |
| 07:19.40 | Codayus | I <3 Portal so much... |
| 07:19.45 | Kerafyrm | Codayus: perfect |
| 07:19.46 | Kerafyrm | ;) |
| 07:19.50 | Kerafyrm | thanks all |
| 07:19.54 | baer_ | Codayus: Portal? |
| 07:20.08 | kebinusan | Yeah, portal is the best |
| 07:20.09 | Codayus | baer_: The best game ever made. |
| 07:20.36 | kebinusan | http://www.penny-arcade.com/10_12_07wall.jpg |
| 07:20.37 | baer_ | Codayus: you are not talking about that flash game, are you? |
| 07:20.43 | Kerafyrm | as in, Steam Portals? |
| 07:20.46 | Kerafyrm | Steam's* |
| 07:20.50 | kebinusan | yeah |
| 07:20.53 | kebinusan | steam lovin |
| 07:21.03 | Codayus | baer_: No. |
| 07:21.09 | Kerafyrm | havn't used steam in years since i put down CS:S |
| 07:21.12 | baer_ | k |
| 07:21.58 | kebinusan | the challenge levels are alot of fun |
| 07:22.46 | Toadkiller | vhaarr: THat with the new version? |
| 07:22.51 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: yes |
| 07:22.51 | Codayus | The voice acting/plot = win. |
| 07:22.58 | Kerafyrm | is portals purchaseable seperately or is it packed in with a bunch of other stuff |
| 07:23.10 | Ellipsis | there was a plot? |
| 07:23.20 | Toadkiller | Mmm ok I know why. Lemme go fix that. |
| 07:23.24 | Ellipsis | I thought it was just "hey look a gun that shoots shiny things" |
| 07:24.05 | Kerafyrm | wow.. necb not an acemod? |
| 07:24.13 | baer_ | Kerafyrm: nope. |
| 07:24.23 | kebinusan | yeah the song at the end is great |
| 07:24.28 | Toadkiller | On the other hand that was not the issue. I will look into it tomorrow. |
| 07:24.44 | Codayus | I think Portal is packaged with TF2. |
| 07:24.45 | kebinusan | Kerafyrm: Im not sure I bought it as part of the orangebox thingo |
| 07:24.51 | Codayus | Of course, since you *need* TF2, this is not a problem. |
| 07:24.56 | kebinusan | pft |
| 07:25.09 | kebinusan | I went through my 20's waiting for tf2 I think I can do w/o it |
| 07:25.11 | Codayus | Frankly though, the price of the orange box is justified by portal alone. |
| 07:25.40 | Codayus | ....actually, I think it's justified by the credit song at the end... |
| 07:25.44 | Codayus | The game is just a bonus. |
| 07:25.46 | kebinusan | ~weighted companion cube |
| 07:25.47 | purl | i guess weighted companion cube is your friend, though you shouldn't listen to his advice, HE IS YOUR FRIEND - do not question the truth! |
| 07:26.09 | kebinusan | The song at the end was written by Jonathan Coulton, if you havent checked out his other stuff its worthwhile |
| 07:26.15 | Codayus | I know. |
| 07:26.32 | Codayus | He's got a lot of great songs, including several which have spawned very good WoW-based machinama... |
| 07:26.39 | kebinusan | yeah |
| 07:26.44 | Codayus | The one about Skullcrusher Mountain is particularly amusing. |
| 07:27.05 | kebinusan | yeah |
| 07:27.09 | kebinusan | future soon was well done too |
| 07:27.20 | Toadkiller | cryogen: Did you dl the new version & it doesnt hide when u run out of an item? |
| 07:27.22 | Codayus | However, I think his work on "Still Alive" (the Portal song) is a triumph. |
| 07:27.34 | Codayus | I have, in fact, made a note here that it was a huge sucess. :-D |
| 07:28.05 | cryogen | Toadkiller: not the newest newest, no |
| 07:28.10 | kebinusan | http://stage6.divx.com/user/darklighter256/video/1733150/Portal-Credits tho I spose its a bit of a spoiler |
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| 07:28.52 | baer_ | er |
| 07:28.54 | baer_ | . :) |
| 07:29.38 | cryogen | Toadkiller: Message: ..\AddOns\AutoBar\Core.lua line 39: |
| 07:29.39 | cryogen | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.40 | cryogen | o_O |
| 07:29.47 | cryogen | gotta run to work, though |
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| 07:29.58 | ramoz | Bibi: oh right, its just empty for me, didnt know it got cleared if there was no news for the last 5 days |
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| 07:34.07 | Orionshock | >.> simon says game is buggie... |
| 07:34.15 | Orionshock | i got witch hunt picking up on random thigns |
| 07:37.44 | Toadkiller | cryogen: one sec lemme fix that |
| 07:39.38 | Toadkiller | cryogen: it seems to be in the embeds.xml file. Anyone know if embedded libraries still need to be in an externals property list or was that replaced by embeds.xml? |
| 07:40.26 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: obviously you still have to add the library as a svn:external |
| 07:40.52 | Toadkiller | vhaarr: weird that property is mia from my folder |
| 07:41.14 | Orionshock | embeds xml is a functionality for the game and WAU ... sill have to set the svn external :D |
| 07:41.14 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: no it isn't |
| 07:41.22 | Toadkiller | ah nm wrong folder |
| 07:41.25 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: it's on your libs folder, where it should be |
| 07:42.20 | CIA-12 | 03toadkiller * r52343 10AutoBar/libs/: AutoBar: |
| 07:42.42 | Toadkiller | mmm nice message, anyway that should fix it |
| 07:44.09 | Toadkiller | Say anyone know how the $Revision: 38120 $ thing is supposed to work in a file? |
| 07:44.33 | Toadkiller | Mine are not changing when I commit |
| 07:44.36 | vhaarr | it gets updated automatically by SVN when someone does a checkout/update if you have a svn:keywords property on that file set to "Rev" |
| 07:44.50 | Toadkiller | got it tx |
| 07:44.50 | many | yeah |
| 07:45.04 | many | youre probably missing the property |
| 07:45.08 | vhaarr | (without quotes) |
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| 07:45.31 | Toadkiller | so "Rev" or "REVISION"? |
| 07:45.40 | vhaarr | like I just said |
| 07:45.42 | vhaarr | Rev |
| 07:45.43 | Toadkiller | k |
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| 07:49.09 | CIA-12 | 03toadkiller * r52344 10AutoBar/ (AutoBar.toc ChangeList.lua Core.lua): |
| 07:49.09 | CIA-12 | AutoBar: |
| 07:49.09 | CIA-12 | -- 2.02.03.10 beta |
| 07:49.09 | CIA-12 | -- Revision property test + externals fix |
| 07:49.38 | ZealotOnAStick | http://code.google.com/p/svn-time-lapse-view/ |
| 07:49.59 | Toadkiller | Fnatastic. Tx for the tech support! |
| 07:50.31 | NeoTron | Kael'thas down, zero deaths. flawless victory. pwn |
| 07:50.44 | Kerafyrm | Grats NeoTron |
| 07:52.47 | Dezzimal | anyone hever had a pair of headphones with a coiled cord? |
| 07:52.54 | kadrahil | i think i'm rerolling alliance on korgath |
| 07:52.59 | Dezzimal | kinda like those old telephone cables :/ |
| 07:53.26 | Dezzimal | I want to stretch it out bigtime so it can actually reach the headphone jack on my computer |
| 07:53.34 | Dezzimal | without torquing my head |
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| 07:53.49 | Dezzimal | think a little bit of heat in the form of a blowdryer would be bad? |
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| 07:58.46 | NeoTron | this was our 103rd attempt |
| 07:59.00 | NeoTron | it's been a few long weeks (including quite a few intentional wipes bc ppl died) |
| 08:00.08 | Kerafyrm | Dezzimal: extension ? |
| 08:00.09 | Gagorian | 103 attempts? :D |
| 08:00.16 | Gagorian | That's.. a lot. |
| 08:00.27 | Dezzimal | Kerafyrm: that requires money |
| 08:00.28 | Dezzimal | :/ |
| 08:00.35 | Dezzimal | like $2 I know |
| 08:00.39 | Dezzimal | but I'm part jew |
| 08:00.58 | Kerafyrm | dood |
| 08:00.59 | Dezzimal | and it pisses me off to know that the length of cord I need is there, its just not in the right form (curled up) |
| 08:01.27 | cryogen | morning |
| 08:01.48 | baer_ | twas refreshing :) |
| 08:02.42 | baer_ | NeoTron: grats to your kill. |
| 08:03.31 | CIA-12 | 03toadkiller * r52345 10AutoBar/Locale-zhTW.lua: |
| 08:03.31 | CIA-12 | AutoBar: |
| 08:03.31 | CIA-12 | -Delete some obsolete translations |
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| 08:10.14 | CIA-12 | 03toadkiller * r52346 10AutoBar/ (16 files): |
| 08:10.14 | CIA-12 | AutoBar: |
| 08:10.14 | CIA-12 | -Grab the Revision number for localized files as well. |
| 08:14.55 | ckknight | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzeD0ibhkHA |
| 08:17.07 | CIA-12 | 03toadkiller * r52347 10AutoBar/ (7 files): |
| 08:17.07 | CIA-12 | AutoBar: |
| 08:17.07 | CIA-12 | -The "I really just want to go to bed" commit |
| 08:18.42 | Mecdemort | wow thats really bizarre ckk |
| 08:19.16 | ckknight | it's interesting |
| 08:19.29 | ckknight | the loss of individuality through psychotic breakdown |
| 08:23.25 | Orionshock | did i miss something? |
| 08:24.08 | Kerafyrm | i did too i think |
| 08:24.25 | Orionshock | ckknight: did you loose your individuality? |
| 08:24.43 | ckknight | did you watch the youtube video? |
| 08:24.53 | Toadkiller | i am bingo the clowno |
| 08:24.55 | Cheads | hmm AutoBar missing from WAU.. odd |
| 08:25.22 | Toadkiller | huh what? |
| 08:25.57 | Cheads | the files are at http://files.wowace.com/AutoBar/ |
| 08:26.04 | Cheads | but it's not listed on http://files.wowace.com/ either |
| 08:26.35 | Cheads | just AutoBarTest and AutoBarConfig |
| 08:26.57 | Orionshock | ya ... that's disturbing |
| 08:27.01 | Toadkiller | mmm i did change the x-category to Action Bars... |
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| 08:28.10 | Nargiddley | change the external from dev to svn |
| 08:28.40 | Toadkiller | how do you mean? |
| 08:28.51 | Nargiddley | ERROR: (svn://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/AutoBar) invalid external svn://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/LibBabble-Spell-3.0/LibBabble-Spell-3.0/ |
| 08:29.05 | Nargiddley | externals need to be svn.wowace.com |
| 08:29.17 | Toadkiller | ok |
| 08:31.51 | Toadkiller | weird the prop says LibBabble-Spell-3.0 http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/LibBabble-Spell-3.0/LibBabble-Spell-3.0/ |
| 08:32.49 | Orionshock | back to lvling my rogue w/ tour guide |
| 08:33.10 | dieck | which guide? Brian Kopp? Joanna? |
| 08:33.18 | Orionshock | TourGuide |
| 08:33.25 | Orionshock | another addon by Tekkub |
| 08:34.16 | Tekkub | dieck, no, no, yes, yes |
| 08:34.40 | Orionshock | yes to what? |
| 08:34.53 | Tekkub | both |
| 08:35.16 | Orionshock | ...right Tekkub |
| 08:35.22 | Tekkub | :P |
| 08:35.41 | Tekkub | they're based on those guides, but they aren't those guides (copyright my ass) |
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| 08:35.58 | Orionshock | so tek you like my idea bout the svn? |
| 08:36.09 | Tekkub | uh, the WAU thing? |
| 08:36.16 | theoddone33 | do shadow priests do castsequence macros like hunters? |
| 08:36.24 | Orionshock | ya.. that thread started by HunterZ |
| 08:36.26 | Tekkub | personally, I won't give up my gcode SVN without a big fight |
| 08:36.27 | theoddone33 | for damage rotation |
| 08:36.34 | Mecdemort | what is the comment character in .toc files? |
| 08:36.48 | Tekkub | so, there needs to be some disconnection from files,wowace and the ace SVN |
| 08:36.55 | Tekkub | Mecdemort, ## |
| 08:36.58 | Nargiddley | Toadkiller, its probably an invalid path. Check that the folder exists |
| 08:37.39 | Orionshock | Tekkub: more like there needs to be some dissconnection from WAU and the AceSVN, |
| 08:37.53 | Tekkub | WAU just runs off files,wowace |
| 08:38.11 | Ellipsis | just changing that would be a huge improvement, though |
| 08:38.14 | Tekkub | files... is built from the ace svn |
| 08:38.42 | Tekkub | if files can be adapted to build from other SVN paths, it'd solve it |
| 08:38.56 | Tekkub | well, it'd be the first step |
| 08:38.57 | Orionshock | files is only built from the SVN by choice. in reality is has become a distribution point, and it's married to WAU. |
| 08:39.08 | Tekkub | the second step is getting people to "tag" stable versions |
| 08:39.18 | Orionshock | ya redoing the back end is whats needed |
| 08:39.29 | Tekkub | well, kinda... |
| 08:39.43 | Tekkub | the files builder could change first |
| 08:39.50 | Tekkub | use existing other SVNs as a testbed |
| 08:39.52 | Orionshock | Tekkub: tag is ... oddly enough the wrong word |
| 08:39.57 | Orionshock | but the right idea |
| 08:40.06 | Tekkub | and then the aceSVN can be replaced with indiv project SVNs |
| 08:40.12 | Tekkub | yea I know |
| 08:40.18 | Orionshock | "tag" carries with it too many extra implications that ppl don't want to deal with |
| 08:40.27 | Tekkub | we already talked about it, basically make a mirror of trunk called "stable" |
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| 08:40.41 | Tekkub | it wouldn't be like tags where there are multiples of each addon |
| 08:40.58 | Tekkub | instead it'd be one path per addon, and it'd be the extern point for libs |
| 08:41.12 | Orionshock | tag implies that your never going to touch it again , and that any changes are going to produce a new Minor |
| 08:41.17 | MoonWolf | i fully support making files run off of tags instead of trink |
| 08:41.23 | Tekkub | so that libs CAN have some alpha time without exploding every user that goes all apeshit with WAU |
| 08:41.40 | Tekkub | not tags moon :P |
| 08:41.50 | MoonWolf | fine |
| 08:41.52 | Orionshock | have a /stable tree |
| 08:41.55 | MoonWolf | we can build a new svn path for it |
| 08:42.02 | Tekkub | well, it'll probably do tags too, but what everyone wants is "stable beta" |
| 08:42.03 | MoonWolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.09 | Mecdemort | i dont understand, isnt that what tags is in the first place |
| 08:42.16 | MoonWolf | no |
| 08:42.20 | Tekkub | not really mac |
| 08:42.22 | MoonWolf | tags is fore tagging major points |
| 08:42.25 | Tekkub | tags are just snapshots |
| 08:42.32 | Mecdemort | ah |
| 08:42.34 | Orionshock | where you'd "tag" to but could make changes to, periodically as you update the addon to be better, but not something you do major work on. |
| 08:42.37 | MoonWolf | it COULD be a release, it could be when you finally worked out that nasty bug |
| 08:42.38 | Tekkub | it's usually used for releases, but it can be used for anything |
| 08:43.14 | Tekkub | a lot of my (and a TON of AceSVN's) addons never move beyyond "stable beta" |
| 08:43.21 | Tekkub | for a variety of reasons |
| 08:43.43 | MoonWolf | mostly because we are lazy fuckers who don't like going around addon sites and all the fuss with that. |
| 08:43.43 | CIA-12 | 03toadkiller * r52348 10AutoBar/ (AutoBar.toc ChangeList.lua libs/): |
| 08:43.43 | CIA-12 | AutoBar: |
| 08:43.43 | CIA-12 | -- 2.02.03.11 beta |
| 08:43.43 | CIA-12 | -- Lop off extra chunk in LibBabble-Spell-3.0 externals path |
| 08:43.48 | Mecdemort | ya most of mine are in a "wont error for me so must be done" phase |
| 08:43.51 | Tekkub | and then eventually the regress into "broken by a bad embed change" |
| 08:43.53 | Tekkub | :P |
| 08:44.19 | Tekkub | yea moon, lazy is another factor, but I've been fighting that myself |
| 08:44.35 | MoonWolf | or broken by blizzard api change but never bothered to fix. |
| 08:44.38 | Tekkub | but even then, there's a good number of addons I don't want to "publically support" |
| 08:44.39 | Orionshock | imho if you posted something to the SVN and then abandon'ed it, let it die ; or someone else take up the reigns of maintaing it |
| 08:44.42 | Dezzimal | SCT is incredibly broken on 2.3 ptr at the moment for anyone concerned |
| 08:44.44 | MoonWolf | one day you might end up a different person tekk |
| 08:44.52 | Dezzimal | /sct menu = kaboom critical error |
| 08:44.54 | Tekkub | Orionshock, define abanded though |
| 08:45.12 | Tekkub | look at say, mailfu, when was the last time I worked on it |
| 08:45.24 | MoonWolf | works fine |
| 08:45.24 | Tekkub | but (aside from missing embeds) it still works fine |
| 08:45.27 | Orionshock | +6mo w/o a touch &/or the origional Author is out of contact with in 3 weeks of it braking |
| 08:45.43 | Tekkub | 6 months? |
| 08:45.45 | Orionshock | *still out of contact |
| 08:45.47 | Tekkub | one sec... |
| 08:46.05 | MoonWolf | i'm sure the last mailfu commit was pretty long ago. |
| 08:46.06 | Orionshock | Tekkub: -- don't forget that OR in there |
| 08:46.11 | Tekkub | engravings... 4/17/06 |
| 08:46.21 | Tekkub | still works (toc number not included) |
| 08:46.27 | MoonWolf | tooltip code has not changed |
| 08:46.28 | MoonWolf | so it would. |
| 08:46.30 | Orionshock | it's not broken tho |
| 08:46.38 | Orionshock | .. ok so it is |
| 08:46.39 | Tekkub | but is it "abandoned"? |
| 08:46.48 | Tekkub | that's well over 6 mo |
| 08:46.50 | Orionshock | is the author MIA? |
| 08:46.52 | MoonWolf | the very fist mendeleev would still work if the first pt still existed. |
| 08:46.54 | Tekkub | it's my mod |
| 08:46.55 | Mecdemort | only if it breaks and noone shows up to fix it |
| 08:47.30 | Orionshock | ok , then it's not abandon'ed - the Author has to be MIA for more than 3 weeks after it brakes. |
| 08:47.36 | Orionshock | 6months was an arbitrary number |
| 08:47.39 | Tekkub | :P |
| 08:47.51 | Tekkub | my point stands... I have some very old addons |
| 08:48.03 | Tekkub | and I like em that way |
| 08:48.23 | Orionshock | but they still work, and if they brake, your around to hear the griping of it OR fix it |
| 08:48.31 | Tekkub | hell, I've not updated anthing off ace since before ckk's AceEvent breaking bullshit... and it all still works fine |
| 08:48.35 | Orionshock | so the addon isn't abandoned |
| 08:49.13 | MoonWolf | i abbandonded slice.. .now wait thats not the name |
| 08:49.17 | MoonWolf | something with slashing |
| 08:49.25 | Tekkub | slashdot? |
| 08:49.29 | MoonWolf | anyway, thats dead, i'm still here. |
| 08:49.32 | Tekkub | hack and slash |
| 08:49.34 | MoonWolf | no |
| 08:49.36 | MoonWolf | one word |
| 08:49.36 | Tekkub | slasherfilm |
| 08:49.41 | ckknight | Slash? |
| 08:49.43 | Tekkub | slashdance |
| 08:49.48 | MoonWolf | yeah slash |
| 08:49.51 | Tekkub | slashwrists |
| 08:50.06 | MoonWolf | kept track of damage one instant hits based on weapon track |
| 08:50.11 | MoonWolf | i based mendeleev off of it |
| 08:50.16 | MoonWolf | the first version anyway |
| 08:50.19 | Tekkub | slashdoomeydoom! |
| 08:50.59 | MoonWolf | hey |
| 08:51.08 | MoonWolf | i think i actually removed it from svn |
| 08:51.13 | MoonWolf | or someone else |
| 08:51.47 | MoonWolf | yeah slash was the name |
| 08:51.50 | MoonWolf | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4266 |
| 08:52.45 | Kerafyrm | Dezzimal: my sct worked fine.. 50270.3 |
| 08:52.57 | MoonWolf | hmm |
| 08:53.08 | MoonWolf | i should get rid off those old outdated mods from wowi |
| 08:54.00 | MoonWolf | hmm |
| 08:54.02 | Orionshock | i belive that by allowing the Files site to pull from independant SVN's is a good idea |
| 08:54.07 | MoonWolf | is it possible to delete mods on wowi ? |
| 08:55.13 | Orionshock | and IMHO, the AceSVN needs to be cleaned up and them old mods that simply don't work need to be nixed |
| 08:55.43 | MoonWolf | i said that when TBC was released. |
| 08:56.21 | many | hehe |
| 08:56.52 | Dezzimal | Kerafyrm: might be a vista thing :/ |
| 08:56.52 | Dezzimal | idk |
| 08:56.57 | Kerafyrm | or move all the old/non-functional mods to a new svn(depreciated.wowace.com) just so the code is kept and if someone wants to revive it they can. |
| 08:57.02 | Kerafyrm | ebil vista |
| 08:57.25 | Tekkub | the code isn't lost in an SVN delete |
| 08:57.27 | Orionshock | fk that, move it to google code - no sense keeping it arround |
| 08:57.34 | Tekkub | no reason to move it, just BALETED |
| 08:57.39 | MoonWolf | something with its last commit in 2005 early 2006 really won't be revived. |
| 08:57.52 | Toadkiller | Move the old mods to curse-gaming. THey have some retardedly old versions of AutoBar, no reason why they can't have old ace stuff too |
| 08:57.57 | Kerafyrm | lol |
| 08:58.00 | Orionshock | Tekkub: delete as in it stops appearing on the files site and taking up space in WAU |
| 08:58.01 | Tekkub | I really think the monolithic SVN needs to just die... |
| 08:58.06 | MoonWolf | Toadkiller, you can delete those you know. |
| 08:58.13 | Tekkub | start off small SVNs and slowly move off to them |
| 08:58.22 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 08:58.28 | MoonWolf | lets make the users kringe! |
| 08:58.35 | Tekkub | you delete from the SVN it's removed from files I thought |
| 08:59.22 | Tekkub | *shrug* in the end, the SVN ain't my problem :) |
| 08:59.42 | Tekkub | I'll add my stuff to WAU when it starts pulling from outside sources |
| 08:59.51 | Tekkub | but otherwise, I'm happy with my setup |
| 09:00.15 | Toadkiller | Ironically, an error on their site left me with the old version deleted & the new one not uploadable for days until they had a time-out & deleted the Entire curse AutoBar entry, with localized descriptions & everything. I am still (3 months later or so) waiting for them to restore it. But the old crap (variations I did not work on) is still there. It makes me ... feel irked. |
| 09:00.17 | Orionshock | that Monolithic SVN that you want to die is the "linch-pin" of the WoWAceCommunity |
| 09:00.32 | Orionshock | least it is for the time being... |
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| 09:01.03 | Tekkub | why you say that orion? because of WAU/files? |
| 09:01.07 | MoonWolf | Orionshock, but it was never intended to become that |
| 09:01.41 | MoonWolf | the svn was a tool |
| 09:01.41 | MoonWolf | and then we made files, because it was handy |
| 09:01.41 | Tekkub | a tool that's too big to manage now |
| 09:01.41 | MoonWolf | and now were stuck with our current situation. |
| 09:01.42 | Mecdemort | when iterating over modules, how would i figure out if i should enable a module after enabling the core |
| 09:01.43 | Tekkub | we made files to get the users out of the SVN :) |
| 09:01.57 | Toadkiller | No imo the problem is WAU has become way too good at what it does which is grab the latest off the SVN. It needs to expand so we can host stable stuff on google or something. |
| 09:02.29 | Tekkub | that's what we've been saying toad, disconnect the file packager from the ace svn |
| 09:02.39 | Tekkub | let it pull from any SVN path we define |
| 09:02.45 | MoonWolf | its not as easy as making that up though |
| 09:02.48 | Tekkub | start making it pull from "stable" paths |
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| 09:03.00 | Tekkub | then start moving projects off the monolith svn |
| 09:03.24 | Toadkiller | my bad, i mean to second the idea ... so way past my bedtime right now |
| 09:03.36 | Tekkub | :P |
| 09:03.44 | ckknight | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2cYWfq--Nw |
| 09:03.46 | CIA-12 | 03scorpio0920 * r52349 10GemHelper/GemHelper_Localization.zhTW.lua: GemHelper: Update zhTW translation. |
| 09:04.33 | Dezzimal | speaking of autobar Toadkiller |
| 09:04.48 | Dezzimal | its changed a lot since I last used it |
| 09:04.59 | Dezzimal | the configuration is pretty much backwards and polish now :/ |
| 09:05.15 | Toadkiller | So whats needed? Just a ## X-SVN-Stable or something & then WAU using that? |
| 09:05.48 | Tekkub | well the current plan is another root path, /stable |
| 09:06.01 | Tekkub | essentially a mirror of trunk, but only "stable" addons |
| 09:06.03 | Fisker- | omg old news |
| 09:06.11 | Toadkiller | Dezzimal: The config is in a primitive state right now & seriously lacking in drag & drop functionality |
| 09:06.36 | Dezzimal | yeah it was a little worse than primitive when I used it on monday |
| 09:06.45 | Dezzimal | couldn't set up a custom "water" bar |
| 09:06.54 | Toadkiller | Hah on Monday it was downright broken |
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| 09:07.03 | CIA-12 | 03scorpio0920 * r52350 10GemHelper/GemHelper_Localization.zhTW.lua: GemHelper: Update zhTW translation. |
| 09:07.17 | Toadkiller | THe latest one should be pretty good unless you get unlucky rearranging buttons |
| 09:07.33 | Dezzimal | I'll try it out again lol |
| 09:07.46 | Dezzimal | I was trying to make my vendor water come before my pvp water |
| 09:07.50 | Toadkiller | Dezzimal: Read the first post in the thread for instructions |
| 09:08.12 | Dezzimal | I think I understand how to configure it fairly well |
| 09:08.18 | MoonWolf | i was very reseting it to basics left me with a pretty usable layout |
| 09:08.22 | Dezzimal | its just what I put it, wasn't what was coming out on the autobar |
| 09:08.22 | Toadkiller | Basically you create custom categories then add them to your custom button |
| 09:08.32 | Dezzimal | what I put in* |
| 09:08.35 | MoonWolf | and i'll wait for more advenacements to the config before i attempt to restore my old setup. |
| 09:09.04 | Dezzimal | does it support different ranks of healthstones currently? |
| 09:09.31 | Toadkiller | Well I think I have finally rewritten everything that needed it so its bug fixing & new features from here on out |
| 09:09.41 | Mecdemort | I'm at a loss as to how to figure out which modules should be enabled after re enabling the core addon |
| 09:10.47 | Toadkiller | Dezzimal: Yes, there is a popup that shows em all. I know it works cuz I raided last night. ALso the popup doesnt disapear on click like the old one did so for example mages can summon all their mana stones from the initial popup that pops up |
| 09:11.04 | Dezzimal | nice |
| 09:11.39 | Dezzimal | yeah I didn't realize that autobar was just in the process of being rewritten |
| 09:11.56 | Dezzimal | so I said quite a few nasty things in /g while I was messing with it lol |
| 09:12.08 | Toadkiller | mmm yeah i probably released it 1 week too early |
| 09:12.39 | Toadkiller | On the other hand if Idid not it would have taken more than a week to get to where it is now |
| 09:12.41 | CIA-12 | 03rabbit * r52351 10AutoBar/ (AceConsole-2.0.lua AutoBar.toc): AutoBar: Remove stray AC-2.0 file and some TOC fixups. |
| 09:12.52 | CIA-12 | 03julith * r52352 10GridStatusIncomingHealth/: |
| 09:12.52 | CIA-12 | GridStatusIncomingHealth: |
| 09:12.52 | CIA-12 | - corrected externals (from dev... to svn...) |
| 09:13.01 | Toadkiller | Hey dont do that Rabbit! |
| 09:13.23 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: why? |
| 09:13.41 | Toadkiller | That file is needed to overwrite the AceConsole file which I have insufficient acces rights to update to support the dragLink type |
| 09:14.05 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: do you have a diff? |
| 09:14.14 | Toadkiller | sec |
| 09:14.28 | CIA-12 | 03julith * r52353 10GridExtraBar/GridExtraBar.lua: |
| 09:14.28 | CIA-12 | GridExtraBar: |
| 09:14.28 | CIA-12 | - fixed a bug which turned the healthbar black when not using inverted colors |
| 09:14.37 | Cheads | ahh autobar back on wau =) |
| 09:16.25 | Toadkiller | line 710 & 711 need: |
| 09:16.25 | Toadkiller | elseif kind ~= "group" and kind ~= "range" and kind ~= "text" and kind ~= "execute" and kind ~= "toggle" and kind ~= "color" and kind ~= "dragLink" and kind ~= "header" then |
| 09:16.26 | Toadkiller | return '"type" must either be "range", "text", "group", "toggle", "execute", "color", "dragLink" or "header".', position |
| 09:17.10 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: this isn't in the spec, what's a dragLink? |
| 09:18.34 | Toadkiller | theres a spec? Well its something I added to waterfall that lets you drag a macro / spell / or item from bags or invetory or whatever onto & it records it. SO users dont need to know arcane itemId's in order to make custom categories in AUtoBar |
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| 09:18.43 | MoonWolf | toadkiller is there a minor chance i might trick you into making tracking skills and tradeskill buttons in autobar ? |
| 09:19.00 | Orionshock | Tekkub: because of WAU/Files... in a way, again, always, IMHO the Idea that started out of the AceSVN was to have a open version control system for addons for "/proper/" development has turned into one of the only real sites that has regularly updated and maintained addons. |
| 09:19.19 | Toadkiller | PAy me 50gp & I will put it into last nights version ... |
| 09:19.22 | cryogen | shapeshift forms on autobar could be cool too :p |
| 09:19.30 | MoonWolf | what server are you on ? |
| 09:19.52 | MoonWolf | cryogen, i have a damn blizzard provided aut filling bar for that. |
| 09:19.55 | MoonWolf | auto* |
| 09:19.56 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: and what's wrong with letting the user type in the item name and you do a lookup yourself? |
| 09:20.08 | Toadkiller | cryogen: those are in already, just use the blizz keybinding interface to hook to them |
| 09:20.09 | Kerafyrm | +1 Agree w/ Orionshock's last |
| 09:20.18 | Orionshock | the Masses have turned what started out as a nicety has turned into a vicious animal waiting to bite some poor author in the ass. |
| 09:20.49 | Toadkiller | vhaarr: Well, I could also get them to fax it to me, but this seems cleaner. |
| 09:20.51 | cryogen | MoonWolf: i use flexbar, so that bar is hidden :p |
| 09:20.53 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.10 | MoonWolf | well, i use bartender and its right there. |
| 09:21.12 | cryogen | vhaarr: you want to TYPE STUFF IN?!!?!! |
| 09:21.19 | cryogen | s/to/us to/ |
| 09:21.23 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: it's not cleaner, overriding AceConsole-2.0 in the manner you have done is not only dangerous for other addons, it will also break autobar at several points in time heading forward. |
| 09:21.31 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: so figure out another way to do it. |
| 09:21.34 | Toadkiller | I think my Linux user detector just went off ;-p |
| 09:21.43 | MoonWolf | hardly |
| 09:21.57 | CIA-12 | 03scorpio0920 * r52354 10GemHelper/GemHelper.toc: |
| 09:21.57 | CIA-12 | GemHelper: |
| 09:21.57 | CIA-12 | Set toc to UTF-8 |
| 09:21.57 | CIA-12 | Added Notes-zhTW. |
| 09:21.57 | CIA-12 | Added Notes-zhCN. |
| 09:21.58 | cryogen | MoonWolf: it will be right there in flexbar, as soon as i write the module, too. :) |
| 09:22.06 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 09:22.13 | MoonWolf | like all those other modules. |
| 09:22.15 | cryogen | but yeah ECANTBEARSED |
| 09:22.40 | Toadkiller | Well, I used drag & drop b4 &I will use it again. ckknight was amenable to putting it into the rock config so it really does not matter. I can just switch to Rock &then I wont have to worry about it |
| 09:22.58 | Orionshock | Toadkiller: thems is fighting words |
| 09:23.02 | Kerafyrm | lol |
| 09:23.06 | vhaarr | you make it sound like I care what your solution is |
| 09:23.06 | Kerafyrm | *gets popcorn* |
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| 09:23.25 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: you don't seem to realise that I just saved you lots of bugs in the future. |
| 09:23.32 | Toadkiller | Not really im gonna do rock config soon & Ace3 later when they have something |
| 09:23.36 | Mecdemort | Any idea if de Morgan's Laws apply through short circuit evaluation? |
| 09:24.03 | ckknight | well, yea, de Morgan's laws don't break with short circuiting |
| 09:24.03 | krka | short answer: yes |
| 09:24.18 | ckknight | that's the whole point of short circuiting |
| 09:24.28 | krka | long answer: yes, but side effects might change |
| 09:24.43 | ckknight | through de Morgan's laws, some parts don't need to be executed, by definition, since the result would be ineffective |
| 09:25.12 | krka | longer answer: yes, but only if you're expecting true and false as output |
| 09:25.27 | Mecdemort | hmm i think i can visualize it now, it's getting a bit late for this |
| 09:25.33 | krka | a and b returns a or b, not (not a or not b) return true or false |
| 09:25.58 | Toadkiller | vhaarr: Sorry im not following? Which bugs? |
| 09:26.30 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: consider AC-2.0 getting a bugfix in a month, and your local copy getting overridden by another addon with the new version. |
| 09:26.36 | Mecdemort | well i've got: if not A or not B then ...; I'm was wondering if: if not (A and B) is shorter and short circuits the same, but it does |
| 09:26.46 | ckknight | krka: well, yes, but you could also do not not (a and b) |
| 09:27.06 | ckknight | Mecdemort: they're functionally equivalent in that case |
| 09:27.38 | Mecdemort | not not (a and b)? |
| 09:27.44 | krka | not not not not (a and b) |
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| 09:28.30 | MoonWolf | right |
| 09:28.50 | Mecdemort | assplosion? |
| 09:28.56 | MoonWolf | i don't want to know |
| 09:28.57 | Mecdemort | that sounds... graphic |
| 09:29.14 | Tekkub | fucksmudge is more graphicer |
| 09:29.26 | Chompers | morgans law? |
| 09:29.33 | ckknight | de morgan |
| 09:29.35 | MoonWolf | de morgans law |
| 09:29.49 | Chompers | time for a quick wiki search |
| 09:29.51 | ckknight | Mecdemort: not not works as a toboolean |
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| 09:29.59 | Mecdemort | ah i see |
| 09:30.21 | grzesieq | funny how i just started my digital logic and systems course ;) |
| 09:30.22 | CIA-12 | 03toadkiller * r52355 10AutoBar/AceConsole-2.0.lua: |
| 09:30.22 | CIA-12 | AutoBar: |
| 09:30.22 | CIA-12 | -Ok this version has a rather large minor version so it can survive updates. |
| 09:30.24 | MoonWolf | not (P and Q) = (not P) or (not Q) |
| 09:30.31 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: and what does that do? |
| 09:30.32 | Mecdemort | chompers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_logic_in_computer_science#Properties |
| 09:30.45 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: any bugfixes introduced in AC-2.0 will be overridden by your fake version |
| 09:30.48 | Tekkub | fuck |
| 09:30.48 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: so remove it again |
| 09:30.50 | MoonWolf | not (P or Q) = (not P) and (not Q) |
| 09:30.53 | Toadkiller | It makes sure that my fake version is king |
| 09:30.54 | Tekkub | okey think it's bedtime |
| 09:30.59 | Tekkub | just had a spider on me |
| 09:31.03 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: which I won't allow, so remove it again |
| 09:31.05 | Chompers | i can't see how that's possible |
| 09:31.09 | MoonWolf | night tekk |
| 09:31.16 | Tekkub | at least there's a good splatter on me pant,s I know it's dead |
| 09:31.17 | Mecdemort | it is, just do a truth table |
| 09:31.27 | Chompers | 'or' and 'and' are different ..i thought |
| 09:31.32 | MoonWolf | they are |
| 09:31.35 | MoonWolf | but not is involved. |
| 09:31.38 | Toadkiller | vhaarr: no it will not unless the major gets revved & then it does not matter. & the minor would now have to exceed 600000 |
| 09:32.19 | Mecdemort | there's some crazy philosophical puzzle that doesnt make sense until you break it down into boolean logic, but i cant remember what it is |
| 09:32.28 | Mecdemort | something about a deck of cards |
| 09:32.42 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: If the real AC-2.0 gets a bugfix, YOUR copy will override it, thus rendering any future developments to AC-2.0 ineffective. |
| 09:32.46 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: it must be removed again. |
| 09:33.07 | Toadkiller | ah my bad misreading that. Well yes, I have asked here & posted to the Ace3 forums as suggested asking for this to be fixed. Meanwhile I will work on getting rid of aceconsole asap |
| 09:33.11 | MoonWolf | i had a teacher explain it to me |
| 09:33.18 | MoonWolf | it involved a rather large bit of abstract math |
| 09:33.22 | MoonWolf | i forgot most of it |
| 09:33.25 | MoonWolf | but i know the laws |
| 09:33.28 | MoonWolf | and they DO apply |
| 09:33.50 | Toadkiller | Whats the point of community code if it just breaks my addon &cannot be fixed... |
| 09:34.09 | Orionshock | Toadkiller: why would AC-2.0 accept dragLink when it's exclusively a GUI thing? |
| 09:34.28 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: you're not making sense at all, you need to remove AC-2.0 again. |
| 09:34.31 | Kerafyrm | is Fisker- our very own Jeffrey Dahmer? |
| 09:34.39 | Toadkiller | Because, when I get around to it, the cmd line can use a shift click pasted link as well... |
| 09:34.43 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: and in any case, it still doesn't work, because I also removed it from your TOC. |
| 09:34.52 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: which is just a string. |
| 09:35.03 | vhaarr | so any type that accepts input can validate it |
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| 09:35.13 | Toadkiller | Containing all the info needed... |
| 09:36.03 | vhaarr | what? |
| 09:36.22 | vhaarr | an item link is an item link, no matter where it's from, it's just a string. |
| 09:37.08 | Toadkiller | I am getting confused now |
| 09:37.21 | Toadkiller | Yes its a string... |
| 09:37.41 | Mecdemort | Toadkiller: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:37.43 | Orionshock | and only in display is it a link other wise it's that weird coded string |
| 09:38.07 | Orionshock | Toadkiller: remove the file, and go to bed, futz with this in the morning when you've had some sleep |
| 09:38.27 | Toadkiller | I am not leaving the mod in a boken state. thats retarded |
| 09:38.34 | Orionshock | then revert |
| 09:38.38 | Orionshock | do dev in branch |
| 09:38.41 | vhaarr | I'm not leaving the ENTIRE SVN in a broken state. |
| 09:38.44 | vhaarr | so REMOVE the file. |
| 09:38.57 | Toadkiller | the ENTIORE SVN is NOT BROKEN |
| 09:39.01 | vhaarr | yes it is. |
| 09:39.05 | Toadkiller | NO ITS NOT |
| 09:39.44 | vhaarr | if ckknight, me, or someone else fixes a bug in AC-2.0 tonight, anyone using autobar will not get the benefits of that bugfix. |
| 09:40.11 | Toadkiller | that would be a crying shame until tomorrow when I update the change... |
| 09:40.25 | cryogen | autobar is the entire svn now? :) |
| 09:40.46 | ckknight | I hate the wow coding environment sometimes |
| 09:40.51 | Toadkiller | this is easily solved by updating the changes I require. If you are not down wit hthat then live with AutoBar breaking a patch for the next wekk |
| 09:40.52 | ckknight | too many bitchy issues |
| 09:41.16 | Toadkiller | Users can bitch on my thread about how i broke something |
| 09:41.32 | Toadkiller | & then revert to an old version that does not break anything |
| 09:42.04 | vhaarr | right, get some sleep then, and fix it tomorrow. |
| 09:42.14 | Toadkiller | fix what? |
| 09:43.02 | [Ammo] | you're using the upgrading of AC-2.0 destructively |
| 09:43.11 | [Ammo] | if you have an issue with a feature that should be in aceoptions take it up there |
| 09:43.18 | [Ammo] | this is not the way |
| 09:43.44 | Toadkiller | THe AceConsole is buried so deep up the Ace options config that it NEEDS these changes. |
| 09:43.56 | [Ammo] | read what I am saying |
| 09:44.10 | Nargiddley | what happens when someone else tries the same thing, its not a feasable method to patch a core library |
| 09:44.20 | [Ammo] | try and get AceConsole patched with valid reasons |
| 09:44.25 | [Ammo] | don't go about and be destructive |
| 09:44.57 | Toadkiller | Hey if I had any idea it would still not be fixed a week after I asked AND people would refuse to let me patch it I would have started converting to Rock right away. |
| 09:45.37 | vhaarr | I haven't seen any discussion of whether or not it even belongs in AC-2.0 |
| 09:45.39 | Nargiddley | just dont give the options table to aceconsole, same effect |
| 09:45.56 | Toadkiller | ... AceConsole, specifically checks for & barfs on things it has never seen. Am I missing something here or does it need to get patched? |
| 09:46.33 | [Ammo] | what you are looking for is an extension to AceOptions |
| 09:46.42 | Toadkiller | Exactly |
| 09:46.50 | [Ammo] | then post on forums, make arguments and get it adopted |
| 09:47.01 | [Ammo] | that's the right way to do this |
| 09:47.09 | [dRaCo] | as far as I get your whole discussion here, yeah, it could get patched, but 'they' dont want you to do it on your own |
| 09:47.20 | [Ammo] | [dRaCo]: no |
| 09:47.22 | Toadkiller | Ok so this takes 2 weeks or a month or something &my mod is completely unusable in the meantime? |
| 09:47.50 | vhaarr | that's nonsense, you can easily make it work without your 'dragLink' type |
| 09:48.03 | Nargiddley | just pass a normal table to aceconsole, the draglinks wont work there anyway |
| 09:48.04 | Orionshock | un useable is the wrong word, not work able in this manner that isn't going to brake everything else |
| 09:48.59 | [dRaCo] | [Ammo]: guess I missed something, then... nvm,.. |
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| 09:50.37 | Toadkiller | lol it is not breaking anything & even if there is a patch what is it fixing? somehting that people dont give a damn about right at this very moment. |
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| 09:52.43 | [Ammo] | Toadkiller: you are abusing the upgrade of AC2 atm while you could easily fix it with the existing input types |
| 09:52.54 | [Ammo] | so either fix it with the existing types or make a case for your addition |
| 09:53.10 | vhaarr | in EITHER case, the fake AC-2.0 must be removed as soon as possible |
| 09:53.16 | vhaarr | it's fine if you do that tomorrow, get some sleep now |
| 09:55.53 | vhaarr | Toadkiller: just note that it's actually still broken, since I removed it from the TOC as well, and you didn't add it back in with your commit. |
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| 10:03.31 | Gngsk | any idea if alliance can get the recipes from mok'nathal's treats on 2.3 PTR? |
| 10:03.42 | Gngsk | I just got a daily cooking quest that requires both recipes as alliance |
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| 10:06.08 | Gngsk | ah, toshley's station |
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| 10:06.44 | Fisker- | omg Gngsk |
| 10:06.46 | Fisker- | you fucking suck |
| 10:06.56 | Gngsk | I know it |
| 10:07.04 | Gngsk | very well I might add |
| 10:07.15 | Kerafyrm | lol |
| 10:07.17 | Fisker- | only like 1 billion years since you got those recipes |
| 10:07.23 | Fisker- | overpowered alliance |
| 10:07.27 | Gngsk | dude |
| 10:07.35 | Gngsk | lol, you're right |
| 10:07.37 | Gngsk | april |
| 10:07.40 | Gngsk | I never cared until now though |
| 10:07.48 | Fisker- | your mother didn't either |
| 10:07.55 | Gngsk | she cared about my sucking though |
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| 10:18.18 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366683346&pageNo=2&sid=1#33 |
| 10:18.19 | sag_ich_nicht | this |
| 10:18.25 | sag_ich_nicht | is COMEDY GOLD |
| 10:22.02 | CIA-12 | 03toadkiller * r52356 10AutoBar/ (AutoBar.toc ChangeList.lua): AutoBar: |
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| 10:28.50 | Marli | AtlaslootFu.lua:10: Cannot find a library instance of Tablet-2.0. |
| 10:28.51 | Marli | wut! |
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| 10:29.25 | BankZ | I am glad they are fixing autobar, its old config seemed like who ever designed it was drunk |
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| 10:37.12 | Pkek | anyone here know mstsc? |
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| 10:40.32 | ramoz | yeah? |
| 10:40.45 | Pkek | can't seem to get the damn thing to work anymore |
| 10:41.02 | Pkek | prolly due to ip change... anything in specific I need to do for it to work? |
| 10:41.26 | ramoz | you need to have port 3387 open in your firewall |
| 10:41.27 | ramoz | also |
| 10:41.36 | ramoz | it must be enabled on the remote computer |
| 10:41.59 | Pkek | it is enabled |
| 10:42.01 | tinyboom | Pkek: had problems with it last night, couldn't rdp home for some reason... |
| 10:42.16 | Pkek | it works when I was using my home network |
| 10:42.24 | Pkek | but can't connect from here |
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| 10:42.39 | tinyboom | and it's port 3389 if I am not mistaken? or has it been changed? |
| 10:42.55 | ramoz | err |
| 10:42.56 | ramoz | my bad |
| 10:43.02 | tinyboom | :) |
| 10:43.03 | ramoz | no it hasnt |
| 10:43.14 | ramoz | i changed it on my computer, cause my FS is running on 3389 :P |
| 10:43.25 | Pkek | FS? |
| 10:43.34 | tinyboom | ahh |
| 10:43.38 | Pkek | it's still 3389 |
| 10:43.44 | ramoz | fileserver |
| 10:44.05 | Pkek | any idea how I can get this goddamn thing to work properly then? |
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| 10:44.44 | CIA-12 | 03hshh * r52357 10ClassTimer/Locales/zhCN.lua: ClassTimer: fix zhCN localization |
| 10:45.09 | ramoz | they might have blocked that port where you're connecting from |
| 10:45.24 | Pkek | nah, it's working for my mate, sitting 6 feet to my left |
| 10:47.51 | Pkek | this is annoying the living piss outta me |
| 10:47.59 | Pkek | I need this goddamn thing to work |
| 10:48.15 | CIA-12 | 03sayclub * r52358 10AutoBar/ (AutoBar.toc Locale-koKR.lua): |
| 10:48.15 | CIA-12 | AutoBar: |
| 10:48.15 | CIA-12 | - Updated localization koKR |
| 10:49.00 | CIA-12 | 03sayclub * r52359 10GemHelper/GemHelper_Localization.koKR.lua: |
| 10:49.00 | CIA-12 | GemHelper: |
| 10:49.00 | CIA-12 | - Updated localization koKR |
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| 11:07.14 | simlan | Hello! I uploaded by Addon yesterday into the SVN. I can find it in WAU but it's listed in a section called "SVN" (it's the only addon in this section). What does this mean? |
| 11:08.38 | Ellipsis | that means that your copy of the addon has a .svn dir in it |
| 11:09.09 | simlan | Ah, its a local issue then?# |
| 11:09.13 | Ellipsis | there's a setting in WAU to prevent overwriting those so you don't lose any changes you've made to your working copy :) |
| 11:09.14 | Ellipsis | yeah |
| 11:09.22 | CIA-12 | 03andyca * r52360 10CastYeller/announces/ (druid.lua paladin.lua priest.lua shaman.lua warlock.lua): CastYeller: zhTW locale update |
| 11:09.34 | simlan | Ok, thanks Ellipsis |
| 11:10.35 | I_D | Ellipsis, would it be possible to display video over wow? as in some sort of an overlay? |
| 11:10.48 | Ellipsis | I_D, most video players can do an overlay mode |
| 11:11.00 | I_D | yeah I know, but linked to the game |
| 11:11.11 | Ellipsis | there's an addon somewhere designed to display a patch of color in-game you can use for overlaying |
| 11:11.15 | I_D | and hooked to binds like /play etc |
| 11:11.16 | Ellipsis | I don't remember the name atm |
| 11:12.21 | simlan | lol |
| 11:12.27 | Ellipsis | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/5169/ |
| 11:12.44 | simlan | Is it possible to open files in WoW's LUA? |
| 11:13.32 | Orionshock | simlan: no |
| 11:13.47 | simlan | So, how is it possible to open movie files? :) |
| 11:13.54 | Ellipsis | it's not |
| 11:14.04 | Orionshock | overlay |
| 11:14.40 | I_D | wonder how those botters get their systems to direct their characters then |
| 11:14.51 | I_D | if you can't have any hooks from external programs |
| 11:14.56 | Ellipsis | they use external software |
| 11:15.03 | Ellipsis | you can, it's just against TOS |
| 11:15.17 | I_D | oh, thought it had been bulletproofed |
| 11:15.25 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 11:15.27 | Ellipsis | not possible |
| 11:16.10 | I_D | you'd think that blizzard would have an easy time tracking them then :s |
| 11:16.16 | Ozguli` | I saw either botters or chinese farmers the other day... Free honor, playing on a pvp server |
| 11:16.20 | Ellipsis | it's not always possible to track |
| 11:16.32 | I_D | I reported a bot once, 2 weeks later he was still doing his rounds :s |
| 11:16.39 | Ozguli` | did you get a reply? |
| 11:16.43 | I_D | nope |
| 11:16.48 | Ellipsis | they try to do it with warden, but that's only effective against local software, and still has enough false-positives to make it complicated |
| 11:16.50 | Ozguli` | see |
| 11:16.51 | I_D | reported him like 3 times |
| 11:16.54 | I_D | never heard anything |
| 11:17.02 | Ozguli` | I always get replied and never see the problem again |
| 11:17.02 | I_D | and I mean he was really using waypoints |
| 11:17.10 | I_D | I could stand at a spot where he would come |
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| 11:17.18 | I_D | and he's walk exactly to me, over and over |
| 11:17.28 | I_D | so it wasn't even a good bot at that lol, no AI :D |
| 11:17.36 | I_D | *he'd |
| 11:17.40 | Ellipsis | I forced a bot off-course by killing things on 3 sides of it |
| 11:18.00 | Ellipsis | so he ended up killing mobs underwater and then being unable to loot them (since the bot didn't dive down) |
| 11:18.10 | I_D | I tried pulling stuff to it with my rogue alt, by vanishing |
| 11:18.15 | Ozguli` | I used to play Silkroad online, maybe 4/5 of the players used some kind of bot program |
| 11:18.15 | I_D | but those hunters don't use much aoe :( |
| 11:18.31 | Ellipsis | my favorite trick was banishing their elementals |
| 11:18.32 | cryogen | most bot kills come from player reports anyway |
| 11:18.42 | cryogen | warden only tracks and deters blatently obvious cheating |
| 11:18.43 | I_D | I used to play FFXI, where I had a fishing bot, but I never left it unattended |
| 11:18.55 | I_D | you had to have it in FFXI, fishing was like 20 times more boring than in wow |
| 11:19.23 | Ozguli` | that game had interesting ways of killing bots like, getting a trade caravan and spawning npc thieves on them, or standin on a bot waypoint and having aoe npc thieves nuking you >_> |
| 11:19.24 | simlan | Even more? How is this possible |
| 11:19.33 | I_D | god I loved Ragnarok Online, where you could just teleport people away |
| 11:19.39 | Ozguli` | the game had such stupid potion system, one every 1 seconds or so... |
| 11:19.58 | I_D | not just that, the group system was fucked |
| 11:20.02 | Xinhuan | you mean diablo2? ^^ |
| 11:20.08 | I_D | FFXI |
| 11:20.22 | sag_ich_nicht | [13:18] <cryogen> warden only tracks and deters blatently obvious cheating <--it doesn't even do that properly. |
| 11:20.26 | Ozguli` | I mean silkroad online, which has been lately copying wow and other similar games |
| 11:20.31 | cryogen | sure it does |
| 11:20.34 | Ellipsis | warden fails more than sag_ich_nicht's mom |
| 11:20.36 | I_D | you'd wait in sandoria or jeuno for 5hours, find a party, then have some slacker american go like "oh but I have to go now" |
| 11:20.48 | I_D | and the europeans and japs would be like "sigh, ameritard" |
| 11:20.53 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: easily |
| 11:21.13 | sag_ich_nicht | [13:20] <cryogen> sure it does <--i know for a fact that it doesn't. |
| 11:21.30 | cryogen | work for blizzard do you? |
| 11:21.44 | sag_ich_nicht | no, but i have seen... examples. |
| 11:21.48 | sag_ich_nicht | warden doesn't do shit. |
| 11:21.52 | cryogen | lets be careful about what we declare as fact then, eh |
| 11:22.04 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 11:22.08 | Ellipsis | if warden worked, I'd be banned |
| 11:22.10 | Ellipsis | tbvh |
| 11:22.15 | cryogen | Ellipsis: no |
| 11:22.21 | cryogen | Ellipsis: if warden autobanned people, youd be banned |
| 11:22.21 | I_D | I have a friend who has a brother who's neighbours gf bots, and he might have seen something that looked like warden didn't work |
| 11:22.22 | cryogen | it doesnt. |
| 11:22.25 | I_D | so warden doesn't work |
| 11:22.27 | I_D | FACT! |
| 11:22.32 | sag_ich_nicht | actually |
| 11:22.39 | sag_ich_nicht | rootkit=warden pwnt |
| 11:22.40 | sag_ich_nicht | easily. |
| 11:22.43 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 11:22.48 | Ellipsis | cryogen: if warden caught cheaters so Blizz could deal with them, Blizz would have taken action by now. |
| 11:22.57 | Ellipsis | against at least one of my accounts |
| 11:23.00 | I_D | Ellipsis: iz you teh evil botz0r? :s |
| 11:23.10 | Ellipsis | I only use my powers for good |
| 11:23.16 | cryogen | anyway im not getting drawn into this extremely hypothetical argument :p |
| 11:23.20 | sag_ich_nicht | she probably just uses a bunny hop script or something |
| 11:23.26 | Ellipsis | bunnies are cute |
| 11:23.27 | Ellipsis | =[ |
| 11:23.37 | cryogen | exactly what warden does and does not do is not known fact for a fairly good reason |
| 11:23.42 | cryogen | so neither of us can be sure :p |
| 11:23.42 | Ellipsis | o rly? |
| 11:23.44 | sag_ich_nicht | like yo... no i'm not going down that road. |
| 11:23.47 | Ellipsis | it is known, cryogen |
| 11:23.53 | I_D | I know this dude who speedhacks all the time |
| 11:23.58 | I_D | and has never been caught |
| 11:24.16 | Ellipsis | warden compares hashes of known cheating programs against your running processes, mainly |
| 11:24.22 | sag_ich_nicht | correct |
| 11:24.25 | Ellipsis | and that's all well and good except that not all cheating programs are known |
| 11:24.40 | sag_ich_nicht | so your rootkit them, and warden is fucked. |
| 11:24.44 | I_D | can't you just change your hash? |
| 11:24.50 | sag_ich_nicht | I_D: hurdur |
| 11:24.53 | Ellipsis | ... |
| 11:25.17 | sag_ich_nicht | warden also monitors WoW for memory insertions etc. |
| 11:25.21 | sag_ich_nicht | but same applies |
| 11:25.22 | Ellipsis | that's the point. you modify the software, or write your own that Blizzard doesn't have their hands on, and warden can't do crap about it |
| 11:25.26 | sag_ich_nicht | rootkit, and warden't won't notice it |
| 11:25.59 | I_D | but won't a bot always need to read into data that's being circulated in your blizzard files |
| 11:26.03 | CIA-12 | 03simlan * r52361 10ActionCombat/ (. ActionCombat.toc): ActionCombat: Fixed externals |
| 11:26.04 | Ellipsis | besides, there are already Blizz-approved methods of automating some tasks |
| 11:26.08 | I_D | in order to triangulate your position all the time etc |
| 11:26.09 | Ellipsis | not necessarily, I_D |
| 11:26.25 | Ellipsis | an addon can do the work requiring data access |
| 11:26.37 | Ellipsis | and then an external program can generate the necessary hardware event |
| 11:26.46 | I_D | how can it react when it's being attacked by an add then? I saw this hunter bot get an add, and attack it just as well |
| 11:27.05 | sag_ich_nicht | it just emulates the WoW protocol. |
| 11:27.05 | sag_ich_nicht | duh |
| 11:27.24 | sag_ich_nicht | server procotol has been reverse engineered ages ago |
| 11:27.45 | Ellipsis | advanced bots do as sag_ich_nicht says, and either imitate a WoW client or are modifications of a real one |
| 11:27.48 | I_D | so incoming information is basicly just being rerouted before it's going to the regular spot? |
| 11:27.54 | I_D | like a tap? |
| 11:27.57 | Ellipsis | nah |
| 11:28.05 | Ellipsis | the bot software pretends to be the WoW client |
| 11:28.12 | Ellipsis | and acts as the other end of it |
| 11:28.13 | Orionshock | warrior DEF cap? |
| 11:28.25 | sag_ich_nicht | Orionshock: what |
| 11:28.29 | sag_ich_nicht | you mean uncritable? |
| 11:28.32 | sag_ich_nicht | that'd be 490 |
| 11:28.36 | Orionshock | whats the warrior defense cap? |
| 11:28.41 | I_D | heh |
| 11:28.44 | sag_ich_nicht | what the hell do you mean with defense cap |
| 11:28.49 | I_D | I got 550 and still got critted bigtime on gruul |
| 11:28.53 | sag_ich_nicht | there is no cap on +def only on +armor |
| 11:29.01 | sag_ich_nicht | I_D: there is always a 1% crit chance left |
| 11:29.06 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.15 | I_D | then it's not uncritable |
| 11:29.16 | sag_ich_nicht | Orionshock: 490 |
| 11:29.26 | Awaa | I_D, you can never become cirt immune |
| 11:29.34 | Awaa | l2use sheildblock |
| 11:29.35 | Orionshock | ..? |
| 11:29.40 | sag_ich_nicht | Awaa that is uncrushable |
| 11:29.41 | I_D | paladins can |
| 11:29.44 | Orionshock | why do i not believe that it's 490 |
| 11:29.45 | I_D | bubble hearthstone :D |
| 11:29.46 | sag_ich_nicht | lern2play before you talk to the big boys |
| 11:30.05 | I_D | pwned awaa :D |
| 11:30.08 | Awaa | :p |
| 11:30.22 | Awaa | im an holy priest :( |
| 11:30.25 | I_D | now go get some blues to replace your greens! :D |
| 11:30.41 | sag_ich_nicht | Orionshock: i know that i'm right, it's 490, if you have 490 def as paladin or warrior, you have removed all critchances from a lvl 73 boss, except for the 1% basecrit left |
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| 11:30.54 | CIA-12 | GridAlert : |
| 11:30.54 | CIA-12 | - Updated localization koKR |
| 11:30.55 | sag_ich_nicht | you can't remove the 1% basecrit |
| 11:31.11 | I_D | tbh I don't really care about the "caps" |
| 11:31.24 | I_D | gear is always pretty obviously an upgrade or not for warriors |
| 11:31.45 | sag_ich_nicht | you need a total of 102.4% avoidance to push crushing blows off the attack table, warriors can do this easily with shieldblock spam, paladins have to stack more avoidance to get to it |
| 11:31.53 | sag_ich_nicht | I_D: what you are wrong |
| 11:32.00 | I_D | and I really hate people who whisper me like "how much def/armor/sta do I need to be ready for karazhan?" |
| 11:32.38 | sag_ich_nicht | if you have 102.4% avoidance and critimmunity, you can just start stacking stamina, armor & blockvalue |
| 11:33.07 | Orionshock | sag_ich_nicht: and the +def needed on druids ? |
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| 11:33.18 | sag_ich_nicht | (and maybe blockrating while decreasing parry and dodge, if possible, decreasing parry is preferable because that means less speed-up swings from bosses) |
| 11:33.19 | sag_ich_nicht | uuh |
| 11:33.21 | sag_ich_nicht | 415 |
| 11:33.24 | sag_ich_nicht | iirc |
| 11:33.29 | sag_ich_nicht | hold i'll ask our MT |
| 11:33.37 | CIA-12 | 03simlan * r52363 10ActionCombat/: ActionCombat: Fixed externals once again |
| 11:33.40 | siIentium | there is a 1% basecrit that cant be removed? never heard of that before... wouldnt 480 def be enough then? |
| 11:33.56 | Awaa | 490* |
| 11:33.58 | sag_ich_nicht | ...uncritable is 490, not 480, fool! |
| 11:34.17 | sag_ich_nicht | (for warrios and paladins) |
| 11:34.22 | siIentium | or wait, not 480... 465 |
| 11:34.28 | Orionshock | iirc it's 415 for druids |
| 11:34.34 | siIentium | I know, I've tanked with my pally before too |
| 11:34.56 | siIentium | it's 415 for druids because they have a talent that reduces enemies' crits by 3% |
| 11:35.05 | sag_ich_nicht | ah, then i was right |
| 11:35.17 | Orionshock | that and quite frankly there isn't a whole lot of +def gear |
| 11:35.26 | siIentium | but doesnt the term "uncritable" mean there is NO 1% base crit? |
| 11:35.33 | Ellipsis | it's a figure of speech |
| 11:35.39 | sag_ich_nicht | thanks Ellipsis. |
| 11:35.49 | Ellipsis | it means all crit chance that can be removed has been |
| 11:35.59 | Ellipsis | it's the closest to uncrittable you'll ever get |
| 11:36.23 | siIentium | hmm... but then again, even before you push the crushings off the table, the crits should already be off as they come after the crushes |
| 11:36.55 | I_D | http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cas/451340270.html lol, seems someone got a bit pissed at his ex-gf :D |
| 11:37.04 | Orionshock | anyone here been to ZA? |
| 11:37.17 | Awaa | Beren in za |
| 11:37.34 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 11:37.38 | I_D | Awaa means to say that there's bears in ZA |
| 11:37.44 | I_D | swetard! :p |
| 11:38.09 | I_D | I'll bet you 5G that Awaa is on Shattered Hand |
| 11:38.10 | sag_ich_nicht | I_D: or maybe she's just a whoe |
| 11:38.13 | sag_ich_nicht | *whore |
| 11:38.24 | Awaa | EU-Al'Akir |
| 11:38.30 | I_D | \o/ |
| 11:38.31 | I_D | stay there |
| 11:38.37 | Awaa | i will |
| 11:38.42 | I_D | my server is crowded with swetards already ;s |
| 11:38.58 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. you can go down with +def |
| 11:39.04 | sag_ich_nicht | if you have resilience |
| 11:39.17 | Ellipsis | I_D: your mom is a swetard! |
| 11:39.29 | I_D | lies Ellipsis, lies |
| 11:39.31 | I_D | she's greek |
| 11:39.37 | simlan | If I fix a bug in my addon and commit the change, who long does it take until it is updated in the WAU? |
| 11:39.39 | I_D | 1 greek > 5 swe's |
| 11:39.47 | Ellipsis | simlan, the zips update every 20 mins |
| 11:39.51 | I_D | in terms of nagging |
| 11:40.04 | Awaa | We have hade an moonkin tank gruul using resilience as def, worked fine. |
| 11:40.15 | sag_ich_nicht | simlan: the cronjob runs at 00 20 40 |
| 11:40.27 | sag_ich_nicht | Awaa i demand pics. |
| 11:40.27 | Grum | Awaa:wth? |
| 11:40.29 | simlan | Ok, thanks |
| 11:40.32 | I_D | we've had a warlock tank that fire mage at maulgar |
| 11:40.32 | sag_ich_nicht | Awaa: MT? |
| 11:40.35 | I_D | keep forgetting his name |
| 11:40.45 | SunTsu | I_D: Krosh |
| 11:40.48 | I_D | ah yes! |
| 11:40.50 | Awaa | yeah, MT high king and gruul |
| 11:40.51 | I_D | Krosh Firehand |
| 11:40.52 | *** join/#wowace Athou (i=Cricket_@83.101.11.143) |
| 11:41.05 | sag_ich_nicht | NERF MOONKINS |
| 11:41.23 | I_D | remove retri from pally tree plix |
| 11:41.28 | *** join/#wowace Kazie (n=k@port207.ds1-vg.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 11:41.37 | Grum | Awaa: seriously, how the hell? |
| 11:41.41 | I_D | 2.3 = every good paladin in my guild is like "zomg we can do teh imba dps'ings now, reroll!" |
| 11:41.42 | I_D | >_> |
| 11:41.55 | evl | no they can't |
| 11:41.56 | I_D | *respec |
| 11:41.57 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah. suck it. |
| 11:41.58 | evl | it's like fury warriors |
| 11:41.59 | I_D | ofc they can't |
| 11:42.04 | evl | they have no agro dump |
| 11:42.09 | sag_ich_nicht | evl: o rly |
| 11:42.10 | evl | there, only thing that needs to be said :P |
| 11:42.10 | I_D | but they want to believe they can |
| 11:42.18 | xyu | Divine intervention! |
| 11:42.19 | xyu | imo |
| 11:42.21 | sag_ich_nicht | 30% passive threat reduction noob |
| 11:42.22 | sag_ich_nicht | in 2.3 |
| 11:42.26 | Awaa | Grum, there alot of info about moonkin tanking in eu druid forums. several have tanked heroics |
| 11:42.26 | sag_ich_nicht | lurk more |
| 11:42.27 | Kazie | Hey guys.. are there any addons from ace that are similar to Killingspree, just wokring on single kills? |
| 11:42.29 | I_D | evl: l2read patchnotes :D |
| 11:42.32 | evl | oh? |
| 11:42.37 | evl | rogues already HAVE 30% reduction |
| 11:42.45 | sag_ich_nicht | evl: so? we get it now |
| 11:42.46 | sag_ich_nicht | suck it |
| 11:42.47 | xyu | 30% reduction is not a dump |
| 11:42.51 | evl | ^ |
| 11:42.53 | evl | what he said |
| 11:43.05 | sag_ich_nicht | we don't need a dump, 30% passive reduction + salv is enough |
| 11:43.10 | evl | hahaha |
| 11:43.15 | evl | then what kind of dps are you going to do? |
| 11:43.16 | Matrix110 | Mages got 10-40% and dont even need INivisibility to drop aggro in any fight:P |
| 11:43.17 | Grum | Awaa; but seriously, tanking Gruul is not something that is .. easy .. he dishes out complete craploads dmg on higher grows |
| 11:43.19 | siIentium | hm, I just did the def/crit calculation again... lvl 73 bosses have a 5.6% crit chance by default, and each def point above 350 decreases it by 0.04%. 140 +def result in 490 def in total and a reduction by 140*0.04% = 5.6%, so no 1% base crit left - if you'd accept the 1% base crit as given, you'd only need 115 +def, or a total of 465 def, but no tank does that |
| 11:43.29 | xyu | I need invis |
| 11:43.30 | xyu | for sure |
| 11:43.33 | siIentium | that, and http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Defense doesnt mention any 1% base crit either |
| 11:43.43 | evl | a rogue doing proper dps will need to vanish at some point of the fight or he/she is going to die. |
| 11:43.50 | sag_ich_nicht | evl: i've been main DD in karazhan for 2 weeks now always second or first in the damage meter and we cleared everything, and my gear isn't really that great. |
| 11:43.54 | I_D | Grum: if you have a large number of growths, then that means your guild is too nib to have funky tanks like moonkins |
| 11:43.55 | sag_ich_nicht | !c EU Gul'dan Ruknor |
| 11:43.57 | ThraeBot | sag_ich_nicht: Ruknor, Level 70 Human Paladin (0/8/53). 7997 HP; 5448 Mana; 98 mana regen; 7 mp5; 7700 Armour; 1382 AP; 234.900 Melee DPS; 26.60% melee crit; 69 melee hit; 57 +spell dmg/heal; 43 holy dmg (100); 7.85% dodge; 5.00% block; 5 resilience;[[ TBR: 1034 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrmjmj ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2uynsq ][ Updated: Wed Oct 17 07:46:32 2007 EST ]] |
| 11:44.02 | I_D | stick to regular tanks like druids and warriors then ;) |
| 11:44.03 | evl | !c eu kazzak surly |
| 11:44.05 | ThraeBot | evl: Surly, Level 70 Gnome Rogue (20/41/0). 8884 HP; 3772 Armour; 1860 AP; 435.400 Melee DPS; 28.55% melee crit; 281 melee hit; 29.61% dodge; 37 resilience; 10 arcane resist (+10);[[ TBR: 804 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/23m9ga ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2vvwl9 ][ Updated: Wed Oct 17 07:46:40 2007 EST ]] |
| 11:44.09 | Awaa | Grum, want hard to heal at all, but we hade 4 healers on just incase |
| 11:44.10 | I_D | at least untill you can up the dps in your raids |
| 11:44.24 | Grum | I_D: so what grow do you kill it at? :) |
| 11:44.28 | sag_ich_nicht | so, suck my balls, you're just scared that someone is going to take your dps space in a raid |
| 11:44.30 | sag_ich_nicht | kill yourself |
| 11:44.30 | xyu | we have a pally MT Void reaver |
| 11:44.32 | xyu | no prob |
| 11:44.41 | I_D | Grum: idk, haven't been to gruul in a while |
| 11:44.41 | xyu | and Al'ar |
| 11:44.47 | evl | if a paladin takes my dps space in a raid, I will quit WoW |
| 11:44.51 | xyu | we don't do gruul anymore |
| 11:45.01 | xyu | but i bet he doesn't have the HP to tank it |
| 11:45.01 | I_D | I'll tank him this week to check |
| 11:45.11 | *** join/#wowace cncfanatics (i=evolve@91.79-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 11:45.13 | Grum | we just 'alt-run' it |
| 11:45.21 | xyu | we did just get red havoc boot pattern |
| 11:45.23 | Grum | but we usually kill him around grow 11-12 |
| 11:45.24 | xyu | wonder if pally will get it |
| 11:45.25 | xyu | i'd laugh |
| 11:45.30 | cncfanatics | hello ppl |
| 11:45.30 | I_D | xyu: lookup "Mo" on european armory at shattered hand |
| 11:45.36 | xyu | ok |
| 11:45.38 | I_D | he's our tankadin |
| 11:45.45 | cncfanatics | hmmm, <--- ex tankadin too :p |
| 11:45.48 | I_D | tanks VR too, and not such "great" gear |
| 11:45.53 | xyu | Drfeelgood sargeras US is ours |
| 11:45.55 | Grum | VR is easy |
| 11:46.03 | cncfanatics | VR can be tanked by a clothie ? |
| 11:46.04 | I_D | only problem is his mana, when he runs out, he's pretty fucked |
| 11:46.11 | cncfanatics | I_D, no |
| 11:46.20 | Grum | but Gruul hits for 7-8k |
| 11:46.20 | cncfanatics | u realize that heals on a tankadin give him back mana right ? its just a rage bar that starts full |
| 11:46.26 | xyu | what is Europes armory page? |
| 11:46.29 | cncfanatics | the argument that tankadins run out of mana is stupid |
| 11:46.30 | I_D | cncfanatics: yes |
| 11:46.34 | Grum | cncfanatics: only direct heals - no hots |
| 11:46.36 | I_D | cncfanatics: on VR it is |
| 11:46.40 | *** join/#wowace Higdur (n=nike@nl106-134-189.student.uu.se) |
| 11:46.40 | cncfanatics | Grum, HoTs too |
| 11:46.43 | cncfanatics | that bug was fixed LONG ago |
| 11:46.44 | sag_ich_nicht | Grum: that's BS; hots too |
| 11:46.45 | xyu | I_D we have the pally tank first |
| 11:46.46 | Grum | they fixed that? |
| 11:46.47 | Grum | oooe |
| 11:46.49 | cncfanatics | every single thing that gives back hp gives paladins mana |
| 11:46.54 | I_D | xyu: I do the same |
| 11:46.56 | sag_ich_nicht | cncfanatics: NOT. |
| 11:46.59 | I_D | I always let him go in first |
| 11:47.04 | cncfanatics | sag_ich_nicht, it is :p |
| 11:47.05 | sag_ich_nicht | cncfanatics: judgement of light and bandages do NOT. |
| 11:47.11 | I_D | and I always see him drop off the aggro like a bit later |
| 11:47.11 | Grum | hahahaha |
| 11:47.12 | cncfanatics | from other people |
| 11:47.15 | cncfanatics | not from urself ofc :p |
| 11:47.22 | Grum | bandages from other people? |
| 11:47.26 | cncfanatics | not magical |
| 11:47.28 | sag_ich_nicht | cncfanatics: bandages from other people and the judgement from other paladins doesn't. |
| 11:47.31 | xyu | Yeah, ours has to pot a lot there toward the end |
| 11:47.35 | cncfanatics | "all magical healing from other people" |
| 11:47.35 | sag_ich_nicht | JoL is magical |
| 11:47.39 | cncfanatics | should give mana back |
| 11:47.41 | I_D | we usually kill VR with like 1m50+ on the timer left, and by then Mo is long gone aggrowise |
| 11:47.42 | xyu | what is the euro armory URL? |
| 11:47.42 | cncfanatics | hmmm, wonder why it doesn't |
| 11:47.50 | cncfanatics | !c eu khadgar evolve |
| 11:47.50 | Awaa | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=305842304&sid=1 <- moonkin tank guide by our moonkin tank |
| 11:47.50 | cncfanatics | there |
| 11:47.50 | sag_ich_nicht | cncfanatics: doesn't, go QQ on the forums, bitch |
| 11:47.52 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Evolve, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (0/49/12). 13147 HP; 4428 Mana; 81 mana regen; 16127 Armour; 596 AP; 88.100 Melee DPS; 5.65% melee crit; 15 spell crit; 245 +spell dmg/heal; 287 defense; 19.32% dodge; 20.91% block; 31 resilience;[[ TBR: 768 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2bl7uf ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/36eekt ][ Updated: Wed Oct 17 07:50:27 2007 EST ]] |
| 11:48.00 | cncfanatics | sag_ich_nicht, why would I ? I rerolled |
| 11:48.09 | Ellipsis | plz b nice |
| 11:48.15 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 11:48.17 | evl | indeed, it's not a competiton |
| 11:48.18 | sag_ich_nicht | >:O |
| 11:48.44 | I_D | !c eu Shattered Hand Instand |
| 11:48.45 | ThraeBot | I_D: Instand, Level 70 Dwarf Warrior (10/0/51). 14684 HP; 16985 Armour; 700 AP; 151.200 Melee DPS; 6.96% melee crit; 32 melee hit; 428 defense; 21.49% dodge; 32.71% block; 10 frost resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1082 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2d63oh ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/34v3cc ][ Updated: Wed Oct 17 07:51:20 2007 EST ]] |
| 11:48.49 | I_D | that's me |
| 11:49.05 | I_D | hmmm |
| 11:49.06 | cncfanatics | nice armor :o |
| 11:49.07 | I_D | wait |
| 11:49.09 | Grum | why such high block O.o |
| 11:49.21 | I_D | armory prolly has freaky gear |
| 11:49.26 | evl | !c eu kazzak anoia |
| 11:49.29 | ThraeBot | evl: Anoia, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (0/47/14). 10114 HP; 5585 Mana; 160 mana regen; 24 mp5; 4886 Armour; 1172 AP; 166.000 Melee DPS; 26.45% melee crit; 124 melee hit; 39.33% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10); +25 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 1420 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yq6tbl ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pq6k2 ][ Updated: Wed Oct 17 07:52:04 2007 EST ]] |
| 11:49.33 | cncfanatics | evl, ur on kazzak too ? :o |
| 11:49.33 | Livid`` | Any warlocks using latest autobar here and if so do you guys have conjure healthstone on the bar cause i only seem to have conjure firestone which is pretty pap oO |
| 11:49.37 | evl | cncfanatics: ofc :P |
| 11:49.45 | cncfanatics | evl, recently rerolled on it, horde side though |
| 11:49.48 | evl | ;) |
| 11:49.55 | evl | Ammo and Punkie`afk are in my guild |
| 11:49.56 | I_D | Grum: <3 block |
| 11:50.10 | evl | cncfanatics: great server though :) |
| 11:50.19 | cncfanatics | evl, agree, which is why I rerolled on it :p |
| 11:50.42 | Grum | I_D: but why higher than 25%? |
| 11:50.48 | I_D | epeen |
| 11:51.00 | cncfanatics | armor > hp > epeen |
| 11:51.00 | Grum | why not get dodge? |
| 11:51.12 | cncfanatics | rather get HP or armor, Grum ? |
| 11:51.22 | cncfanatics | healers are gonna heal u anyway on anything nontrivial |
| 11:51.25 | Grum | nah you have druids for that :) |
| 11:51.47 | cncfanatics | wether you dodge or not, I doubt the healing taken will be any different |
| 11:52.08 | Grum | actually will be |
| 11:52.18 | Grum | blocking means you will take a hit, dodging means you wont :) |
| 11:52.26 | I_D | lol |
| 11:52.26 | cncfanatics | yea, but the hit u block will be healed anyway |
| 11:52.34 | cncfanatics | and when u dodged the hit u haven't taken will be healed also |
| 11:52.35 | I_D | as if you're going to be dodging endgame bosses a lot :D |
| 11:52.38 | simlan | Is there any information about "X-Embeds:" and "embeds.xml"? |
| 11:52.47 | Grum | I_D: erm . yes? :) |
| 11:52.53 | cncfanatics | dodge: 3k healing taken, block: 3k healing taken :p |
| 11:52.54 | xyu | is it pretty hard to tank 5 mans and low instances if you're avoidance is too high? my warrior friend is all like "it's hard to hold agro i don't get hit" i'm like "yeah right slacker" |
| 11:53.07 | siIentium | if you check the combat log for JoL heal procs, you'll notice that it always says "X's SoL healed X for some amount" even if X isnt a paladin at all, it doesnt mention the paladin who judged it - so it doesnt count the heals as coming from someone else, and maybe that's the reason why paladins dont get mana from it |
| 11:53.10 | Grum | xyu: it is indeed |
| 11:53.14 | I_D | xyu: ya, you get little rage |
| 11:53.16 | sag_ich_nicht | xyu: it's hard as druid/warrior |
| 11:53.19 | sag_ich_nicht | not as paladin |
| 11:53.27 | sag_ich_nicht | you just pull more mobs as paladin |
| 11:53.28 | SunTsu | xyu: When you dont get hit, you dont get rage |
| 11:53.28 | I_D | paladin = ezmode tankz0r |
| 11:53.30 | I_D | druid too |
| 11:53.36 | sag_ich_nicht | maybe 3 or 4 mobpacks |
| 11:53.44 | xyu | So just get nekkid! |
| 11:53.56 | Grum | I_D: but seriously, you wouldn't consider having 28% block and 25% dodge orso? :) |
| 11:54.03 | I_D | I actually just dualwield in 5man instances often |
| 11:54.15 | Grum | seems better balance as anything more than 25% block seems somewhat .. unneeded |
| 11:54.21 | I_D | Grum: I don't believe in dodge on warriors |
| 11:54.25 | sag_ich_nicht | BS, druids have rageproblems as well, our druids tank everything non-heroic in their PvP gear because they don't get enough rage otherwise |
| 11:54.29 | I_D | for druids yes, for warriors nothanks |
| 11:54.33 | Grum | I_D: howso? |
| 11:54.38 | sag_ich_nicht | dodge > block > parry |
| 11:54.39 | sag_ich_nicht | fact |
| 11:54.45 | Orionshock | NOOO wipe at Maiden with 4k HP left :( |
| 11:54.46 | Marli | or is it |
| 11:54.46 | I_D | druids get to focus more on armor, and less on defense |
| 11:54.51 | SunTsu | sag_ich_nicht: I do, too. Normally in cat gear |
| 11:54.54 | I_D | so they basicly replace defense with dodge |
| 11:55.00 | cncfanatics | wipe at maiden ? wtf ? |
| 11:55.04 | I_D | since there's not really much leather with def |
| 11:55.06 | Grum | I_D: that is only because defense gives parry and block as well which are useless |
| 11:55.10 | cncfanatics | we did maiden with me (palatank) as only dispeller before |
| 11:55.12 | sag_ich_nicht | Orionshock stop raiding right now |
| 11:55.12 | SunTsu | sag_ich_nicht: Basically because I get more damage and get more rage |
| 11:55.15 | sag_ich_nicht | one does not wipe on maiden. |
| 11:55.24 | sag_ich_nicht | go out and go heroics and come back when your raid has better gear. |
| 11:55.26 | Orionshock | sag_ich_nicht: DIAF Nub |
| 11:55.28 | siIentium | wait wait - if YOU parry an attack, it means that YOU hit faster on your next swing, not the mob - sp parry is indeed good for you |
| 11:55.38 | Grum | sag_ich_nicht: i why block > parry? |
| 11:55.41 | sag_ich_nicht | Orionshock no you, we clear karazhan with PUGs on my server, you smell |
| 11:55.43 | Grum | -i |
| 11:55.50 | siIentium | the problem with parry is if the mob parries someone's attack, then the tank gets hit sooner |
| 11:55.51 | sag_ich_nicht | Grum: because parry speeds up the swingtimer of the mob |
| 11:55.52 | xyu | His whole group probably just hit 70 and are wearing greens thinking "Sweet, free gear" |
| 11:55.53 | Orionshock | you sound like a EU player |
| 11:56.01 | sag_ich_nicht | Orionshock: i am. |
| 11:56.02 | sag_ich_nicht | :D |
| 11:56.02 | I_D | we do karazhan with alts in 2 groups on weekends and offdays |
| 11:56.03 | Grum | sag_ich_nicht: mm true indeed |
| 11:56.07 | siIentium | sag_ich_nicht: not necessarily, read my explanation |
| 11:56.09 | Orionshock | ya suck my left nut :P |
| 11:56.10 | I_D | alts in shitgear like blues and greens :D |
| 11:56.13 | cncfanatics | sag_ich_nicht, if YOU parry you speed up ur OWN timer :p |
| 11:56.21 | cncfanatics | if the mob parries you, then he speeds up his timer |
| 11:56.35 | Grum | that makes sense |
| 11:56.36 | sag_ich_nicht | BS |
| 11:56.37 | sag_ich_nicht | hold |
| 11:56.42 | xyu | i bet a hunter could tank maiden, she has like 300 hp |
| 11:56.43 | cncfanatics | no thats no BS |
| 11:56.49 | xyu | or maybe a warlock |
| 11:57.01 | Grum | warlock can with ease |
| 11:57.02 | sag_ich_nicht | our holy priest tanked CoT2 |
| 11:57.05 | Grum | especially an affliction one |
| 11:57.07 | siIentium | sag_ich_nicht: it's comonly known that way, you are the one talking BS |
| 11:57.28 | Grum | sag_ich_nicht: you are wrong |
| 11:57.33 | Grum | when a mob parries it hits faster |
| 11:57.39 | Grum | when you parry - you hit faster |
| 11:57.42 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 11:57.46 | sag_ich_nicht | you are right. |
| 11:57.51 | I_D | makes more sense than the other way around ;d |
| 11:57.51 | Grum | so in that case: dodge > parry > block |
| 11:57.52 | sag_ich_nicht | way to fail |
| 11:57.55 | sag_ich_nicht | ~fail sag_ich_nicht |
| 11:57.55 | purl | sag_ich_nicht: Fail. |
| 11:58.03 | siIentium | that's why you need more parry rating for 1% parry than dodge rating for 1% dodge - because it gives you more hits |
| 11:58.24 | Grum | the upside of dodge and parry is that it is 100% mitigation with as downside no rage generated |
| 11:58.43 | cncfanatics | the 100% mitigation is only an upside if u don't have any heals inc |
| 11:58.46 | Grum | where block generates threat and rage but you take loads of dmg as well |
| 11:58.53 | I_D | Grum: you make it sound as if dodge is a guarantee |
| 11:58.54 | cncfanatics | which on anything above VR is unlikely |
| 11:58.58 | siIentium | th upside of dodge over parry is that you need less rating, the upside of parry is that you hit more often |
| 11:59.10 | Grum | cncfanatics: sure but you interrupt heals unless there is a deficit |
| 11:59.15 | I_D | you're forgetting that block is a much more dependable value |
| 11:59.31 | Grum | I_D: howso? it only works on melee and only on mobs in front of you :) |
| 11:59.32 | cncfanatics | Grum, healers interrupt heals on anything about VR since ? |
| 11:59.43 | Grum | cncfanatics: always? |
| 11:59.59 | I_D | Grum: you're not going to be dodging the magic or endgame bosses ;) |
| 12:00.03 | I_D | *of |
| 12:00.14 | Grum | erm you can :) |
| 12:00.14 | I_D | unless you completely gimp your gear towards dodge |
| 12:00.16 | Grum | not likely ;) |
| 12:00.18 | CIA-12 | 03sayclub * r52364 10LibBabble-Spell-3.0/LibBabble-Spell-3.0.lua: |
| 12:00.18 | CIA-12 | LibBabble-Spell-3.0 : |
| 12:00.18 | CIA-12 | - Updated localization koKR |
| 12:00.24 | Grum | well ~28% dodge is easily attainable |
| 12:00.29 | cncfanatics | I don't know many healers that cancel their heals in BT tbh |
| 12:00.43 | Grum | cncfanatics: so those healers go oom in 1-4 minutes? :) |
| 12:01.03 | Grum | or you just have very limited amount of people responsible for 1-2 persons? |
| 12:01.14 | siIentium | downranking > interrupting |
| 12:01.15 | cncfanatics | Grum, no they don't, they chug mana pots and have spriests ? :p |
| 12:01.19 | cncfanatics | and downrank ofc also |
| 12:01.42 | Awaa | !c eu al'akir awaa |
| 12:01.45 | ThraeBot | Awaa: Awaa, Level 70 Undead Priest (23/38/0). 6741 HP; 9855 Mana; 389 mana regen; 142 mp5; 104 +spell dmg; 1837 +heal; 5.50% dodge; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 765 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/27zxel ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/32rnjk ][ Updated: Wed Oct 17 08:04:19 2007 EST ]] |
| 12:02.15 | Awaa | sag_ich_nicht, found an screenie, http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u249/Lithanial/Triumph.jpg |
| 12:02.40 | lenaya | hi guys |
| 12:02.43 | sag_ich_nicht | hahahaha win |
| 12:02.52 | Grum | cncfanatics: i dont really get the use of downranking |
| 12:02.55 | Kazie | What the hell is TBR in that string? |
| 12:03.00 | Grum | maybe 1 rank, but ... |
| 12:03.02 | Grum | ~tbr |
| 12:03.02 | purl | somebody said tbr was ThraeBot Ratings -- a ThraeBot innovation. Working on a PvP-oriented weighted algorithm for what stats the Armoury currently has for your character, partially modified by build-type, it can be used to pit two characters in TBR vs TBR combat, and tries try to take into account which classes are fighting. (or "to be released") |
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| 12:03.22 | cncfanatics | Grum, always have heals incoming incase the tank doesn't dodge anything at all |
| 12:03.25 | lenaya | a friend tell me, that i can write here if i have a problem with proximo |
| 12:03.27 | cncfanatics | if u cancel ur heal there's always a chance ur heal was needed anyway$ |
| 12:03.49 | lenaya | is this the place for that? |
| 12:03.52 | cncfanatics | if 5 healers are interrupthealing ur gonna end up at some point where all 5 of them interupt |
| 12:03.55 | MoonWolf | alway's have at least one tree druid |
| 12:03.58 | Awaa | sag_ich_nicht, he said thathe frapsed it. Need to check with him if he uploaded it somehere. |
| 12:04.02 | Ellipsis | only if you have horrible lag or the damage is REAELLY unpredictable, cncfanatics |
| 12:04.06 | MoonWolf | in case everything goes wrong you will be happy you had him. |
| 12:04.08 | siIentium | how much dodge%, parry%, block% and to-be-missed% has a lvl 70 prot warrior with 490 def but no other avoidance/mitigation ratings or agi? I wonder if they need any block rating at all to get uncrushable, or if it's all wasted (except for extremely fast hitting bosses or multi mob tanking ofc) |
| 12:04.09 | xyu | lenaya: if someone is listening ^_^ |
| 12:04.10 | Ellipsis | bah, REALLY* |
| 12:04.13 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, since when is boss dmg predictable ? :o |
| 12:04.21 | Ellipsis | cncfanatics, most bosses are :/ |
| 12:04.25 | xyu | since hogger! |
| 12:04.26 | Kazie | purl: nice1 ^^ |
| 12:04.31 | MoonWolf | cncfanatics, to a dgree most are |
| 12:04.45 | cncfanatics | can always have an unlucky parry-nuke at some point |
| 12:04.51 | Grum | Awaa: too bad that screenie doesn't say the #grow its on |
| 12:04.51 | MoonWolf | true |
| 12:05.08 | MoonWolf | but it avarages out, you can more or less gauge how to heal per phase of a fight. |
| 12:05.16 | Grum | cncfanatics: surely you leave some heals go, especialy if the tank hasnt got dmg while you were casting the heal |
| 12:05.22 | Awaa | Grum, was quite high, 12 or 13 |
| 12:05.36 | cncfanatics | Grum, and at the moment u cancel ur heal the tank gets parry-nuked :p |
| 12:05.36 | Grum | Awaa: at grow12-13 it doesnt hit for that little O.o |
| 12:05.56 | Grum | cncfanatics: you have multiple healers? :) |
| 12:06.08 | Grum | so a fat heal will be at most ~0.8s away orso |
| 12:06.14 | Awaa | I wasnt in the fight, i just listened on vent |
| 12:06.32 | cncfanatics | Grum, what if the other healer cancelled his heal too ? thats the whole point :p |
| 12:06.41 | MoonWolf | can i say that that interface is quite... clutterd |
| 12:07.00 | Ellipsis | cncfanatics: generally you learn how to work with your other healers |
| 12:07.05 | MoonWolf | cncfanatics, thats why you TALK to each other. |
| 12:07.09 | Ellipsis | who likes to spam, who likes to conserve mana |
| 12:07.11 | MoonWolf | make agreements |
| 12:07.12 | MoonWolf | etc |
| 12:07.24 | Grum | cncfanatics: if there is any fight where your tank can die in 2 hits you have more than just 2 healers |
| 12:07.36 | Grum | and you let your heals flow |
| 12:07.41 | Grum | like on the shaman @ karathress |
| 12:07.52 | Grum | i seriously cba with manacost while healing that tank |
| 12:08.03 | Grum | i just chain-spam greater heals |
| 12:08.16 | MoonWolf | fuck manacost, i have potions, innervate and a shadowpriest. |
| 12:08.18 | Grum | because he can do stupid-dmg |
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| 12:08.41 | MoonWolf | and dead tanks don't hold agro. |
| 12:08.55 | Grum | they do :) |
| 12:09.06 | JoshBorke | they do if everyone else is dead :-D |
| 12:09.14 | MoonWolf | semantics. |
| 12:09.19 | Grum | a tank can die during Al'ar after he taunted him just before he died and then be rezzed .. and he'll have aggro if you do that within the time he spawns ^^ |
| 12:09.30 | MoonWolf | Grum, right |
| 12:09.34 | Grum | ;) |
| 12:09.35 | Kerafyrm | !c us kilrogg wyma |
| 12:09.36 | MoonWolf | how many times have you pulled that off |
| 12:09.37 | ThraeBot | Kerafyrm: Wyma, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (0/48/13). 9644 HP; 5570 Mana; 113 mana regen; 6713 Armour; 121.100 Melee DPS; 14.38% melee crit; 12 melee hit; 66 +heal; 154 defense; 32.08% dodge; 47 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10); +33 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 556 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/27bzhq ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/32l8mp ][ Updated: Wed Oct 17 08:12:12 2007 EST ]] |
| 12:09.39 | Awaa | Grum, we have 3 healers assigned to shammy tank, when im on him i nonstop spam gh rank2 |
| 12:09.50 | Grum | Awaa: how many healers do you take there? :) |
| 12:09.56 | many | !c eu anerev |
| 12:10.00 | Awaa | 6-7 |
| 12:10.06 | many | !c eu forscherliga anerev |
| 12:10.09 | ThraeBot | many: Anerev, Level 70 Night Elf Hunter (57/4/0). 6760 HP; 4843 Mana; 17 mp5; 597 AP; 3.31% melee crit; 74.10 Ranged DPS; 7.27% ranged crit; 119 +spell dmg; 6.11% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 783 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ysyqg9 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/34gbno ][ Updated: Wed Oct 17 08:12:44 2007 EST ]] |
| 12:10.20 | Grum | mm we usually put 2 healers on the hunter |
| 12:10.26 | Grum | so the mana-drain gets split between 2 |
| 12:10.28 | many | wtf |
| 12:10.44 | many | !vs eu forscherliga anerev eu forscherliga ukeer |
| 12:10.47 | ThraeBot | many: Anerev vs Ukeer! A L70 hunter and a L70 druid square off!; 57/4/0 vs 53/0/8; Anerev wins by 248 TBRs! |
| 12:10.49 | Awaa | Grum. 1 healer + innervate:p |
| 12:11.01 | Awaa | (if needed) |
| 12:11.02 | Grum | wtb druids then :D |
| 12:11.06 | Grum | we just have 1 .. or 2 at max |
| 12:11.11 | many | oh. the smaller the better for TBR? |
| 12:11.21 | Ellipsis | no |
| 12:11.24 | MoonWolf | heh |
| 12:11.29 | MoonWolf | you aint getting my innervate |
| 12:11.33 | MoonWolf | i'm using it myself |
| 12:11.40 | Grum | tree-druids are selfish! |
| 12:11.48 | MoonWolf | tree druids save you mana |
| 12:11.48 | Grum | (and they should be imho) |
| 12:11.56 | Grum | MoonWolf: how? :) |
| 12:11.58 | Ellipsis | uh, what tree druids use their innervates on themselves? |
| 12:12.05 | Awaa | Grum, we ahve 2 druid tanks and min 1 resto druid and 1 moonkin usaly |
| 12:12.13 | MoonWolf | i keep the tank topped off, th other healers only need to worry about the big hits. |
| 12:12.15 | Ellipsis | tree druids don't need innervate because they win at mana conservation...give it to the priest imo |
| 12:12.16 | lenaya | hey guys, i have a problem with PROXIMO. can anybody help me? it highlight my target though i deactivate it. |
| 12:12.17 | Grum | that is nice hehe |
| 12:12.30 | Grum | Ellipsis: priests should have no problems with mana |
| 12:12.35 | Grum | at least i hardly ever do |
| 12:12.36 | CIA-12 | 03sayclub * r52365 10Babble-2.2/Babble-SpellTree-2.2/Babble-SpellTree-2.2.lua: |
| 12:12.36 | CIA-12 | .Babble-SpellTree-2.2 : |
| 12:12.36 | CIA-12 | - Updated localization koKR |
| 12:12.48 | Grum | and if i do run out ...pot+manafiends gets you back 80% orso :) |
| 12:12.51 | Ellipsis | Grum, if anyone does it'll be the priests imo |
| 12:13.03 | Ellipsis | pallies don't oom, and tree druids > priests soooooo |
| 12:13.21 | MoonWolf | pallies seem to not use their mana |
| 12:13.30 | MoonWolf | especially with shadowpriests present. |
| 12:13.51 | Awaa | i raid with an minimum of 30 mana pots =) |
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| 12:14.07 | MoonWolf | who would go tto a raid without pots ? |
| 12:14.14 | JoshBorke | that's a lot of pots |
| 12:14.20 | I_D | finally back |
| 12:14.21 | Kerafyrm | agreed |
| 12:14.33 | I_D | shellbox died on me >_> |
| 12:14.38 | Awaa | Paladin comes to raid with an 5 stack and leave with one :( |
| 12:15.15 | Grum | we usually have an excessive amount of priests with us |
| 12:15.26 | Grum | and never ever give druids or paladins a shadowpriest ;D |
| 12:15.54 | Awaa | hehe |
| 12:15.54 | Ellipsis | I wish shadowpriests had been popular when I was raid healing... |
| 12:15.55 | Kerafyrm | all our priests went shad.. my little brother is the only disc/holy priest we have now.. tis sad |
| 12:15.57 | I_D | shadow priests rock though |
| 12:16.10 | MoonWolf | Grum, you bastard. |
| 12:16.36 | I_D | anyway, I'm out, bbl |
| 12:16.41 | Grum | MoonWolf: why would anyone put a druid in a shpriest group? |
| 12:16.42 | Grum | seriously |
| 12:16.47 | Grum | they belong in a tankgroup |
| 12:16.49 | Grum | aura ftw |
| 12:16.54 | MoonWolf | true |
| 12:17.01 | Grum | 1 paladin as well |
| 12:17.10 | Grum | and hell .. paladins are more efficient with their mana than priests |
| 12:17.15 | Grum | of which we at least have 3 (holy) |
| 12:17.28 | Grum | occasionally even 4 O.o |
| 12:17.34 | MoonWolf | my guild could run kara with only priests |
| 12:17.41 | MoonWolf | if they would all log on at the same day |
| 12:17.46 | Grum | hehe |
| 12:17.51 | Grum | just tanking might be a bit .. hard ;D |
| 12:17.52 | MoonWolf | maybe take a single palading for tanking |
| 12:18.01 | MoonWolf | priests don't maek good tanks. |
| 12:18.20 | MoonWolf | we even have two smite priests. |
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| 12:19.17 | Grum | MoonWolf: you gotto be kidding |
| 12:19.22 | Grum | smitepriests are like .. uselesS :) |
| 12:19.23 | MoonWolf | nope |
| 12:19.32 | MoonWolf | theyr dps is not to bad. |
| 12:19.39 | Grum | ~700 max orso |
| 12:19.46 | MoonWolf | if we have spaces left, they can come along. |
| 12:19.52 | JoshBorke | !c us stormreaver dagh |
| 12:19.53 | Grum | and oom in 2 minute s:) |
| 12:19.54 | ThraeBot | JoshBorke: Dagh, Level 70 Dwarf Priest (14/2/45). 6701 HP; 7395 Mana; 140 mana regen; 24 mp5; 124 spell crit; 99 spell hit; 764 +spell dmg/heal; 179 frost dmg (943); 179 shadow dmg (943); 4.82% dodge; 33 resilience; 10 frost resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1029 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/25cjtb ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3xmaya ][ Updated: Wed Oct 17 08:22:29 2007 EST ]] |
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| 12:19.58 | JoshBorke | woot! |
| 12:20.06 | cryogen | Grum: 2 whole minutes? thats generous |
| 12:20.18 | Grum | cryogen: rounding up from 1:01 ;) |
| 12:20.22 | JoshBorke | wow, 2 minutes is good for smite priest |
| 12:20.31 | cryogen | :) |
| 12:20.47 | Grum | i dont really get why they made smite so expensive |
| 12:20.57 | siIentium | we usually have 4-5 paladins, one of them prot - nice to have many blessings available :) |
| 12:21.08 | Grum | as i dont really get why we have to live with a combined talent-tree |
| 12:21.22 | kenlyric | Grum: blizzard hates healers. |
| 12:21.26 | Grum | on nearly any other class you can get away with a 0/0/61 (or 61 on any other place) |
| 12:21.40 | kenlyric | Grum: be fair, pallies have to spend 11 points in protection. |
| 12:21.41 | Grum | there isn't 61 useful points for a healing priest in 1 tree O.o |
| 12:21.59 | Grum | kenlyric: but paladins are considered hybrids |
| 12:22.32 | siIentium | 50 points in paladin holy are more than enough |
| 12:22.53 | siIentium | divine strength and imp SoR are... not so helpful for healing ;) |
| 12:22.56 | kenlyric | siIentium: die slowly in a fire. |
| 12:23.05 | Grum | i cant spend more than ~44pts in holy priest tree |
| 12:23.06 | siIentium | kenlyric: why? I'm a 50/11/0 paladin |
| 12:23.09 | kenlyric | stop throwing salt in our wounds! |
| 12:23.26 | Grum | iew not in public |
| 12:23.28 | cryogen | divine strength ftw!!1one |
| 12:23.37 | kenlyric | i'm hard pressed to spend 41 points in holy. |
| 12:23.48 | MoonWolf | come on |
| 12:23.55 | MoonWolf | cicle of healing is god and you know it! |
| 12:24.02 | kenlyric | i like circle of healing just fine. |
| 12:24.09 | kenlyric | i like divine spirit more. |
| 12:24.10 | Awaa | :o |
| 12:24.19 | Awaa | i fiund circle of healing to be.. shit |
| 12:24.33 | kenlyric | which is the exact same thing I said about lightwell and holy nova. |
| 12:24.38 | MoonWolf | maybe if it was 30 yards. |
| 12:24.41 | cryogen | its ok i guess, but DS will always be better |
| 12:24.45 | kenlyric | they're a fine utility that only costs one point. But they compete with DS |
| 12:24.53 | Grum | Awaa: CoH is really nice in certain cases |
| 12:25.03 | Grum | but actually not worth of being a 41pt talent |
| 12:25.05 | kenlyric | CoH is nice in BT. |
| 12:25.22 | Grum | it should be something like +20% healing and +10% haste orso |
| 12:25.34 | Grum | now *that* would be a reason to spec down that tree |
| 12:25.51 | kenlyric | that'd be a bit op. |
| 12:25.59 | kenlyric | but the 15 yard range is just dumb. |
| 12:26.14 | kenlyric | it should be restricted to a party OR 15 yards, not both. |
| 12:26.22 | Grum | you can increase it by 20%!! |
| 12:26.48 | Grum | so you'll get a whoppin 18yds |
| 12:26.57 | cryogen | amazing |
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| 12:27.00 | Grum | yay! |
| 12:27.04 | kenlyric | holy nova is nice when it hits five people. |
| 12:27.09 | kenlyric | errr, CoH |
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| 12:27.14 | kenlyric | holy nova is nice for deadmines |
| 12:27.17 | cryogen | holy nova spamming wins in kara |
| 12:27.29 | kenlyric | it does, actually. |
| 12:27.38 | Kerafyrm | holy nova is great for deadmines and any low level twink'ng runs |
| 12:27.40 | cryogen | i want being sarcastic :) |
| 12:27.44 | cryogen | wasnt |
| 12:27.50 | Awaa | i only ever used holy nova in bwl on whatshisface |
| 12:27.55 | Awaa | 2nd boss |
| 12:28.01 | kenlyric | when I had holy nova I used to use it all the time on the aoe packs. |
| 12:28.05 | cryogen | vael |
| 12:28.06 | Awaa | Vael |
| 12:29.03 | Grum | looking @ holy in priests |
| 12:29.18 | kenlyric | G4 gets LOST, network execs miss obvious joke |
| 12:29.22 | kenlyric | nice headline |
| 12:29.26 | Grum | there are 15 talentpoints NOT related to holy healing O.o |
| 12:29.53 | Grum | geiv full holy tree with a worthwhile 41pt spell :( |
| 12:30.41 | kenlyric | eh, that's a bit of a stretch, since some of the points are designed for surviving while holy healing. |
| 12:31.02 | cryogen | theymissed their chance to fix holy |
| 12:31.08 | cryogen | holy form was the obvious 41 pt talent |
| 12:31.19 | cryogen | they laught at us for suggestion it |
| 12:31.22 | cryogen | .. then gave it to druids |
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| 12:31.38 | cryogen | they laughed at us for suggesting it, even |
| 12:31.42 | Awaa | lulz, running around shouting im mini naruu |
| 12:32.26 | kenlyric | you know, after I saw tree form, I was so very glad they didn't give us holy form. |
| 12:32.30 | kenlyric | they would have fucked that up too. |
| 12:32.42 | Grum | treeform is completely imba |
| 12:32.50 | Ellipsis | oi, what's wrong with treeform kenlyric? |
| 12:33.02 | kenlyric | imbalanced because of the multiple holy touch talents you must take to get to it? |
| 12:33.06 | Grum | i'd kill for a holy-form that prohibits you from doing *any* dmg |
| 12:33.08 | kenlyric | errr, healing touch |
| 12:33.56 | Grum | anyhow i stick with the 'priests are utterly gimped' |
| 12:34.05 | Grum | we get second in any kind of healing/usefulness |
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| 12:35.06 | Codayus | Grum: To be fair, Blizzard seems intent on nerfing pallies down to the level of priests. |
| 12:35.15 | Codayus | ....oh wait, that's not a good thing. Nevermind. :-( |
| 12:35.24 | Grum | they should, it's a bloody hybrid class |
| 12:35.45 | Grum | priests have no specialization which makes then crap at all |
| 12:35.50 | Grum | *them |
| 12:35.50 | Codayus | Um |
| 12:35.59 | Grum | that combined with their utter squisheness .. sigh :) |
| 12:36.00 | Codayus | Priests are as hybrid as pallies, IMHO. Which isn't very. |
| 12:36.03 | Kerafyrm | the holy form train seems to be gaining more momentium.. who knows mebbe we'll get lucky and actually get it? |
| 12:36.14 | kenlyric | priests are hybrids. |
| 12:36.16 | cryogen | Codayus: priests can main tank now? |
| 12:36.17 | Codayus | We can only do one thing per spec. |
| 12:36.19 | kenlyric | they can turn into the 10th class |
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| 12:36.27 | Recluse | i'm so glad i abandoned that channel when g4 took over |
| 12:36.50 | Grum | kenlyric: i'd love to see a pure healing class |
| 12:37.05 | Codayus | cryogen: Heh, well, pallies get more viable roles than us, at least in 2.3. But even (especially!) in 2.3, watch a ret pally try to tank... :-D |
| 12:37.20 | cryogen | Codayus: thats not the poit |
| 12:37.29 | cryogen | Grum isnt asking to be able to do everything in every spec |
| 12:37.31 | Grum | the point is that priests are second in any thing that matters healingwise |
| 12:37.33 | kenlyric | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxG0zhZfxtcfMqVuVo |
| 12:37.35 | cryogen | hes pointint out that holy isnt even a decent healer |
| 12:37.37 | Kerafyrm | holy form with white glow, halo + wings... = win imo |
| 12:37.38 | cryogen | which.. it isnt really |
| 12:37.41 | Codayus | Priests were a pure class prior to TBC I think. Now we have two roles. Any clas with > 1 role = hybrid, no? |
| 12:37.54 | Grum | Codayus: but you can not mix specs |
| 12:38.12 | Grum | you can not be a healing shadowpriest |
| 12:38.13 | SunTsu | Kerafyrm: Sounds great. Can serve as a flash light in very dark dungeons, too ;) |
| 12:38.14 | kenlyric | nobody can mix specs |
| 12:38.17 | kenlyric | except druids |
| 12:38.20 | Grum | and paladins |
| 12:38.24 | Codayus | And in any case, a holy priest is DEFINETLY a decent healer. Optimal? Not really. But half the issue is our lack of stackable raid buffs, and that's not even related to healing. |
| 12:38.27 | kenlyric | no |
| 12:38.45 | kenlyric | tanks or healers or *ahahahaha* dps |
| 12:38.55 | kenlyric | druids are the only ones who get tanking AND dps in the same tree. |
| 12:39.12 | Codayus | The only real "hybrid" spec is feral; they can tank and DPS. Anyone else...MAYBE can do a half-assed job of one other role. |
| 12:39.12 | Grum | Codayus: druids hot, paladins have longlivity, shamans have aoe-heals - what do priests have? |
| 12:39.23 | cryogen | all of them |
| 12:39.24 | Codayus | Grum: Logevity, hots, and aoe heals. |
| 12:39.25 | kenlyric | Grum: priests have all of them |
| 12:39.25 | Awaa | DS |
| 12:39.26 | cryogen | but poor versions |
| 12:39.26 | Codayus | Duh. |
| 12:39.29 | Grum | but all of them *worse* |
| 12:39.40 | MoonWolf | kenlyric, same tree |
| 12:39.42 | Codayus | And in 2.3, it's quite possible we'll have better longevity than pallies. :-/ |
| 12:39.45 | MoonWolf | radically different gear |
| 12:39.45 | kenlyric | Grum: that's because blizzard sucks at hybrid. |
| 12:39.55 | kenlyric | MoonWolf: are you crying about it? |
| 12:39.55 | Grum | they make hybrids too good |
| 12:39.58 | MoonWolf | no |
| 12:40.07 | Grum | i'd love to be able to put 61pts in holy |
| 12:40.08 | kenlyric | I wish *I* could do two different things with one tree. |
| 12:40.19 | kenlyric | fuck, I wish I could do one thing with one tree. |
| 12:40.32 | Grum | and utterly rock shit out of the other 'hybrid' healing classes |
| 12:40.40 | Grum | at least give the upperhand at something |
| 12:40.42 | cryogen | a hybrid should be able to spec on one tree and be almost as good as a native class |
| 12:40.48 | Grum | add survivability orso |
| 12:40.57 | Codayus | Seems clear that bliz is really moving away from the idea that classes with multiple roles should be worse at any one role. |
| 12:40.59 | MoonWolf | well thats the thing see |
| 12:41.01 | Grum | give 30s immunity to dmg/stuns orso at the cost of not being able to move |
| 12:41.03 | Grum | i dont care |
| 12:41.09 | MoonWolf | i don't see any hybrids asking to be better then priests |
| 12:41.19 | MoonWolf | but blizzard made us better in the end anyway |
| 12:41.26 | Grum | MoonWolf: they dont have to - they end up like it |
| 12:41.30 | kenlyric | the entire problem would be solved if they just removed the firrst tier of disc. |
| 12:41.38 | Grum | kenlyric: not really |
| 12:41.41 | Fisker- | paladins = worst healers :< |
| 12:41.44 | kenlyric | shifted most everything else up |
| 12:41.49 | Chompers | you lie Fisker- |
| 12:41.50 | Grum | paladins are the best healers atm |
| 12:41.52 | MoonWolf | how is removing a tier from disc going to help ? |
| 12:41.54 | Xelopheris | k, I'm having a weird bug -- every time I hit a flight point, I crash. It's an addon that's doing it, so... what's 2 really close flight points to test my addons with? (horde) |
| 12:41.58 | Grum | they can go on forever :) |
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| 12:42.07 | cryogen | Xelopheris: badlands -> SG |
| 12:42.10 | Fisker- | no comp |
| 12:42.12 | Fisker- | no Chompers |
| 12:42.12 | Codayus | Paladins are...good at SOME roles. Longevity is not the be-all and end-all. |
| 12:42.22 | Fisker- | exactly |
| 12:42.30 | kenlyric | MoonWolf: give us five more points in holy to play with. |
| 12:42.36 | Xelopheris | Longetivety is a huge factor |
| 12:42.37 | Fisker- | and since no fights are really that long the only thing they're good at is irrelevant |
| 12:42.38 | Codayus | (And again, the game is chanign. Compare priests in 2.3 to pallies...) |
| 12:42.44 | MoonWolf | are those 5 points really going to help ? |
| 12:42.48 | kenlyric | yes. |
| 12:42.49 | Fisker- | that's what i'm doing Codayus |
| 12:42.54 | Grum | kenlyric: i agree, being able to take divspi and get CoH might be doable |
| 12:43.02 | cryogen | whats different about 2.3? |
| 12:43.11 | Xelopheris | extra mana regen from meditation |
| 12:43.11 | Codayus | Fisker-: I wouldn't go that far. But seriously, if pallies lost blessings, I don't think anyone claims that they wouldn't see their raid slots cut heavily. |
| 12:43.13 | kenlyric | or DS and other holy talents. |
| 12:43.15 | cryogen | oh that |
| 12:43.21 | Codayus | And in T6, CoH starts to *really* become powerful. |
| 12:43.22 | kenlyric | anyway, to get DS and 41 points in holy |
| 12:43.23 | Fisker- | Priests, Shamans and Druids get 30% mana regen while casting if specced for it |
| 12:43.37 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 12:43.38 | Xelopheris | not shamans |
| 12:43.42 | Xelopheris | shamans aren't spirit casters |
| 12:43.49 | MoonWolf | priests druids and mages |
| 12:43.50 | kenlyric | just because of the how utterly useless tier 1 is in raiding. |
| 12:43.52 | Fisker- | i can still bless in ret gear :o |
| 12:43.52 | Codayus | Shamans are getting their own regen mechanics buffed heavily. |
| 12:43.55 | kenlyric | i mean, even spirit tap is more useful. |
| 12:43.59 | Codayus | WTF to the water shield changes is all I can say. |
| 12:44.09 | MoonWolf | water shield, free mana shield more like. |
| 12:44.26 | Codayus | 2.3 healing: Shamans > *. |
| 12:44.31 | MoonWolf | hmmm |
| 12:44.33 | MoonWolf | doubtfull |
| 12:44.39 | Fisker- | 2.2 healing : Shamans > * |
| 12:44.42 | Fisker- | they just have to pay for it |
| 12:44.43 | Codayus | Heh, we'll see. |
| 12:44.43 | simlan | How can I make my addon work if it is installen WITHOUT externals? How are these dependencies resolved? If I install my addon without externals, the libs are just omitted |
| 12:44.46 | cryogen | dont you have to get hit for water shield to be useful? |
| 12:44.52 | Codayus | cryogen: Not in 2.3 |
| 12:44.53 | cryogen | or did they change it som eother way i havent seen yet |
| 12:45.04 | cryogen | i know thecost is being lowered and the effect increased |
| 12:45.05 | sb | but shamans get 50 mp5 with new water shield :o |
| 12:45.07 | Fisker- | chain heal = best heal evar |
| 12:45.08 | Grum | simlan: use WAU or fix the dependencies yourself |
| 12:45.09 | JoshBorke | simlan: you have to have the libraries elsewhere |
| 12:45.13 | Codayus | You get unused charges credited when it wears off |
| 12:45.16 | kenlyric | yeah, I don't get people who complain about priest healing, priest healing is awesome. |
| 12:45.16 | Grum | sb: 50? O.o |
| 12:45.19 | sb | yes |
| 12:45.23 | Grum | ..... |
| 12:45.24 | Fisker- | but priests and druids are already pretty good healers |
| 12:45.26 | cryogen | wears off, or is cancelled? |
| 12:45.27 | kenlyric | it's priest holy tree and priest utility that sucks ass |
| 12:45.29 | cryogen | or both? |
| 12:45.32 | Fisker- | just that a lot of their healing is counted as selfhealing too |
| 12:45.40 | Grum | kenlyric: priest healing sucks because the trees suck |
| 12:45.41 | Codayus | Priest *utility* is f-ing dreadful. |
| 12:45.44 | Fisker- | So we paladins usually top the meterwhoring competition |
| 12:45.49 | MoonWolf | Grum, huh ? |
| 12:45.51 | kenlyric | Grum: if you suck at it, I'm sorry. |
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| 12:45.54 | Fisker- | but that doesn't make us the best healers |
| 12:46.01 | MoonWolf | so priest healing sucking is now the druids fault ? |
| 12:46.02 | sb | grum: its 600 mana / 1 minute |
| 12:46.08 | simlan | Grum, I use WAU but it does not install the dependencies for MY addon, I wonder how I can fix this |
| 12:46.08 | sb | if you keep it up |
| 12:46.08 | Codayus | Priest healing is solid, versatile, and unobjectionable. |
| 12:46.18 | sb | its free and you get 600 after that minute |
| 12:46.40 | kenlyric | the way to fix priest trees is to break the other ones. |
| 12:46.42 | sb | but 50 is ~the amout i (priest) benefit from new 30% meditation (compared to now) |
| 12:46.58 | MoonWolf | its 50 mp/5 |
| 12:46.59 | Fisker- | it's just funny how pretty much everything is ignored |
| 12:47.03 | Codayus | Basically, they're heavily buffing the regen of all non-pally healers. |
| 12:47.04 | kenlyric | MotW 21 points in balance. BoK 21 points in protection. Windfury 21 points in enh. |
| 12:47.12 | Fisker- | until some tards like sag_ich_nicht start spamming the forums so it's unavoidable to read |
| 12:47.14 | sb | MoonWolf: yes!? :p |
| 12:47.20 | kenlyric | then it's BALANCED |
| 12:47.22 | Fisker- | Blizzard = "Please we don't wanna read your issues" |
| 12:47.29 | Fisker- | *50 pages of OMG FIX THREAT* |
| 12:47.31 | kenlyric | Codayus: so they'll be almost equal now? :) |
| 12:47.32 | Codayus | Frankly, I think we'll see guilds shifting towards getting their blessing fix from prot and ret pallies, and fewer holy pallies... |
| 12:47.36 | Fisker- | Blizzard = "FUCK, we can read it" |
| 12:48.07 | MoonWolf | every paladin can cast blessings. |
| 12:49.16 | Codayus | Exactly - but right now, the cookie cutter raid is just holy pallies. |
| 12:49.24 | Codayus | Since you really want 3 blessings... |
| 12:49.33 | Grum | kenlyric: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/priest/talents.html?005200013050012000000234051030300150530051000000000000000000000 |
| 12:49.38 | Grum | that would be a really viable spec |
| 12:49.38 | Fisker- | you only have 3 healers in your raids? :o |
| 12:50.01 | MoonWolf | Fisker-, how did you come to THAT conclusion ? |
| 12:50.11 | Codayus | But if I take a ret pally in 2.3, then I can drop to 2 holy pallies, STILL have 3 blessings, and I can swap in a tree/priest/shaman. |
| 12:50.25 | Fisker- | [14:48:45] <Codayus> Exactly - but right now, the cookie cutter raid is just holy pallies. |
| 12:50.25 | Fisker- | [14:48:53] <Codayus> Since you really want 3 blessings... |
| 12:50.28 | kenlyric | grum, hotness, but i'd drop 1 point of silent resolve for lightwell. |
| 12:50.39 | Grum | actually: http://tinyurl.com/2jjtzq indeed |
| 12:50.43 | kenlyric | or even 1 crit |
| 12:50.46 | Grum | dropped aoe-thingie |
| 12:50.47 | sb | pain supression realle gets an interesting buff in 2.3 |
| 12:50.49 | Fisker- | Only holy paladin healers in raid + only 3 blessings = only 3 holy paladins |
| 12:50.51 | sb | (pve) |
| 12:50.56 | Codayus | Fisker-: lern2read. :-) The cookie cutter raid spec is oh, 7 healers, 3 pallies, all 3 of them holy - 4 other healers. |
| 12:51.06 | Codayus | raid mix, even. |
| 12:51.08 | Fisker- | i lerned2read |
| 12:51.08 | MoonWolf | pain supression, also known as the OMG SAVE TEH TANK sheild |
| 12:51.19 | Fisker- | you just set it up in a questionable context |
| 12:51.20 | sb | but it wont be usable because no pve priest can spec 41 disc :o |
| 12:51.25 | Grum | yup |
| 12:51.34 | sb | and -threat is pretty useless in PvP |
| 12:51.34 | siIentium | simlan: use X-embeds in your toc file or something, just check how other addons do that entry |
| 12:51.34 | Grum | 41disc makes a complete waste of a spot in a raid |
| 12:51.36 | kenlyric | we really need to get rid of the crit talent and inspiriation's reliance on crit. |
| 12:51.58 | Codayus | sb: Maybe. Maybe not. If it's strong enough, I'd take the hit from a sub-par disc priest... |
| 12:52.03 | Codayus | ...I don't think it's good enough. |
| 12:52.03 | Grum | kenlyric: paladins should crit .. priests hsould just have high base-heals and not be a ble to crit ors |
| 12:52.14 | Grum | give +30% healing and no ability to crit |
| 12:52.15 | kenlyric | Grum: i'd take that for holy form :) |
| 12:52.20 | Grum | hell yeah |
| 12:52.40 | Gngsk | and wings, can't forget the wings |
| 12:52.47 | Grum | t5 shoulders |
| 12:52.48 | Codayus | But don't forget, if you get PS you also get PI. |
| 12:52.50 | MoonWolf | the wings are a nice trick |
| 12:53.00 | MoonWolf | and reflective shield |
| 12:53.17 | Korben | hey was wondering anyone use the new Autobar ? |
| 12:53.28 | MoonWolf | yeah me |
| 12:53.28 | Grum | yes it sucks Korben |
| 12:53.34 | Korben | yea |
| 12:53.36 | Korben | :P |
| 12:53.42 | Codayus | Again, a disc priest won't top the meters, but that's hardly an issue; we take enh shamans in our melee group too, and they never beat the rogues. |
| 12:53.52 | Korben | i cant seem to make my own buttons |
| 12:53.56 | Grum | Codayus: but shamans bring way more utility |
| 12:54.00 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 12:54.13 | Codayus | Like I said, I don't think PS is enough. Not even when you consider you get PI for free. |
| 12:54.25 | Codayus | ....still, it's a nice thought. :-( |
| 12:54.29 | Grum | its like giving priests fearward again |
| 12:54.38 | MoonWolf | have fearward |
| 12:54.43 | MoonWolf | wait, lets nerf it first |
| 12:54.45 | MoonWolf | now you can have it. |
| 12:54.48 | Grum | indeed |
| 12:54.48 | Codayus | (BTW, PI + Lifebloom rolling = WTF. It's scary. REALLY scary. |
| 12:54.56 | Grum | make it unlimited but on 1 target before the cooldown is off orso) |
| 12:54.57 | kenlyric | guilds will now bring two priests to raids. Epic! |
| 12:55.21 | Grum | i dont get why bosses need to fear the tank anyhow |
| 12:55.22 | Grum | it's stupid |
| 12:55.27 | Grum | stancedancing is stupid |
| 12:55.29 | kenlyric | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxg0uhxtbziofLxcc |
| 12:55.35 | Codayus | A single tree druid should not be able to solo heal an MT. Granted, I can count the number of bosses where you can make it work on the fingers of one hand...) |
| 12:55.55 | kenlyric | that's 5! |
| 12:56.06 | Codayus | Grum: Didn't you hear? Fear isn't a major mechanic in TBC, so fear ward and stance dancing aren't needed. I have the blue post to prove it. |
| 12:56.09 | MoonWolf | Codayus, those bosses have mechanics the require the tree |
| 12:56.13 | MoonWolf | but no, it should be possible. |
| 12:56.16 | Grum | Codayus: lol |
| 12:56.22 | Grum | but it is somewhat true |
| 12:56.33 | Grum | dunno which >kara instances need fearwards till now |
| 12:56.39 | Codayus | I also have a blue post saying rep grinds were a thing of the past, and wouldn't be a feature of TBC. |
| 12:56.48 | Grum | they are actually |
| 12:56.56 | kenlyric | what do you mean? |
| 12:56.58 | Grum | when did you last rep-grind? |
| 12:57.00 | kenlyric | you can't grind a single goddamn rep. |
| 12:57.17 | kenlyric | and the ones you can grind, you can also buy them in the AH |
| 12:57.26 | Grum | except the kurenai :) |
| 12:57.32 | sb | kenlyric: we already bring 2 priests ;p |
| 12:57.32 | Grum | and sporegarr |
| 12:57.34 | Codayus | Grum: Actually...I did it. And if you want to level an alt, you'll do a lot more. Heroic keys, exalted epics, etc. |
| 12:57.39 | MoonWolf | nobody CARES about the kurenai or the spporegarr |
| 12:57.44 | Korben | so many good stuff form old aut bar missing :P |
| 12:57.45 | Codayus | And consortium... |
| 12:57.54 | kenlyric | so, three. |
| 12:57.54 | Grum | MoonWolf: unless they put stuff up there @ eggsalted |
| 12:57.56 | kenlyric | out of 127 |
| 12:57.57 | Trell_ | so pallys are getting threat reduction confirmed now, huh? |
| 12:58.09 | Codayus | Thing is, I didn't rep grind at ALL pre-TBC. Timbermaw, wut? |
| 12:58.18 | Grum | Codayus: but it's not real grinding, just doing some quests + instances |
| 12:58.24 | Grum | it's nothing compared to timbermaw orso |
| 12:58.27 | Codayus | Post-TBC, I actually had to pay attention to rep. |
| 12:58.35 | Codayus | So for me, TBC has been VASTLY more rep focused. |
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| 12:58.41 | Grum | i agree |
| 12:58.49 | kenlyric | paying attention != grinding. |
| 12:58.50 | Grum | heroics add something to that |
| 12:58.52 | Codayus | And I've been very happy for my diplomacy bonus. |
| 12:58.54 | kenlyric | I wish we could grind more reps. |
| 12:58.56 | kenlyric | like CE |
| 12:59.08 | Grum | lowercity is for most the pain |
| 12:59.15 | Codayus | I |
| 12:59.19 | Grum | and Honorhold |
| 12:59.22 | MoonWolf | kenlyric, go grind up you maghar faction or something. |
| 12:59.28 | Balstor | cncfanatics |
| 12:59.29 | Codayus | I'm exalted with all the factions you can run dungeons to max... |
| 12:59.33 | kenlyric | MoonWolf: maghar doesn't give me head enchant. |
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| 12:59.41 | Balstor | ~cncfanatics |
| 12:59.41 | purl | [cncfanatics] the flexbar2 author |
| 12:59.41 | cncfanatics | Balstor ? |
| 12:59.44 | Korben | MoonWolf u used autobar right ? |
| 12:59.44 | Codayus | and ZOMG am I glad to not have to run more freaking heroics for some of those... |
| 12:59.53 | MoonWolf | yes |
| 12:59.54 | Balstor | bug report time :P |
| 12:59.57 | Korben | how do i get my buff food and non buff food in same button ? |
| 12:59.58 | Grum | Codayus: why run heroics? |
| 13:00.08 | Grum | you can so easily get exalted without running heroics :D |
| 13:00.10 | Grum | and its even faster ;D |
| 13:00.11 | MoonWolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.12 | MoonWolf | no clue |
| 13:00.15 | kenlyric | honor hold/thrallmar is the worst of all the horrid pug group instance grinds. |
| 13:00.18 | MoonWolf | i'm as confused as you are. |
| 13:00.19 | Codayus | Hmm, heroics + non-heroics. |
| 13:00.20 | Codayus | I did a mix. |
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| 13:00.27 | Grum | kenlyric: mostly because you have to do heroics there |
| 13:00.27 | Codayus | But heroics get you badges and nethers. |
| 13:00.36 | kenlyric | no you don't. |
| 13:00.37 | Grum | but getting revered is .. 5-8 runs in SH orso O.o |
| 13:00.38 | Korben | yea u have no means of costumizing |
| 13:00.51 | Korben | when i log on it auto gives me like 15 buttons |
| 13:01.10 | Codayus | And then there's netherwing rep, but that's a special case... :-) |
| 13:01.48 | Korben | like wth would i want 1 for buff food and one for non buff food |
| 13:01.48 | kenlyric | I got revered with all my other factions keying for karazhan. it was very natural. but HH was... a bitch. |
| 13:01.48 | kenlyric | then I discovered the joys of a pally tank. |
| 13:01.48 | Korben | anyone know where i can put a sugetion or bug report |
| 13:01.48 | Korben | ? |
| 13:01.48 | Codayus | HH was a pain. The heroics all suck, and SH sucks even non-heroic. |
| 13:01.53 | Codayus | Shat is trivial, who doesn't farm heroic mech? :-) |
| 13:02.01 | kenlyric | it's a divine grace with a pally tank. |
| 13:02.13 | Codayus | KoT was...not fun at all, but still happened by accident keying 5 million guildies for Kara. |
| 13:02.22 | CIA-12 | 03simlan * r52367 10ActionCombat/Embeds.xml: ActionCombat: Fixing embeds, part I |
| 13:02.26 | Codayus | (I have BM flashbacks even now.) |
| 13:02.29 | kenlyric | it helped for thrall to be bugged. |
| 13:02.41 | kenlyric | Codayus: most boring flashback ever. |
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| 13:03.01 | kenlyric | here's an instance where you will do the exact same thing 18 times! yay! |
| 13:03.08 | Codayus | All I see is waves of spiders and this voice saying "uh, guys, where are you, I think I got lost and some cats are attacking me" |
| 13:03.09 | kenlyric | oh, and in the exact same place! |
| 13:03.15 | CIA-12 | 03simlan * r52368 10ActionCombat/ (ActionCombat.toc embeds.xml): ActionCombat: Fixing embeds, part II |
| 13:03.37 | kenlyric | oh, you went with fail groups. |
| 13:03.42 | kenlyric | I never suffered through those. |
| 13:03.49 | kenlyric | but I've heard of people wiping before the first boss. |
| 13:04.25 | Codayus | I've wiped before the first boss in guild groups. |
| 13:04.34 | Codayus | I've wiped before the ENCOUNTER starts. |
| 13:04.34 | kenlyric | I just hope future CoT instances are never that boring. |
| 13:04.45 | Codayus | You'd be amazed at how quickly the wildlife can gank people. |
| 13:04.48 | Ellipsis | ugh |
| 13:05.03 | Ellipsis | you're reminding me of my last BM pug :( |
| 13:05.10 | kenlyric | the whole point of CoT seems to be so you can be immersed in the past. |
| 13:05.13 | Codayus | Hmm, there goes the healer. Anyone seen which way he ran? No? K...well, I'm going to run for the portal now.... |
| 13:05.25 | kenlyric | there was nothing immersive about BM |
| 13:05.28 | Codayus | I want CoT: The Fall of Gnomeregan! |
| 13:05.30 | kenlyric | well, gnomes found it submersive. |
| 13:05.44 | CIA-12 | 03jayhawk * r52369 10FuBar_PetInfoFu/ (FuBar_PetInfoFu.toc PetInfoFu-readme.txt PetInfoFu.lua): |
| 13:05.44 | CIA-12 | FuBar_PetInfoFu: |
| 13:05.44 | CIA-12 | - tweaked happiness tracker |
| 13:05.45 | CIA-12 | - added storage of and tooltip for skills of stabled pets. |
| 13:05.45 | kenlyric | and yeah, I know those aren't real words. |
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| 13:05.57 | Ellipsis | that is the worst gnome joke I've heard all day |
| 13:06.03 | Ellipsis | but I still half-laughed |
| 13:06.04 | Ellipsis | =[ |
| 13:06.08 | Codayus | Heh |
| 13:06.09 | kenlyric | victory! |
| 13:06.10 | Codayus | Indeed |
| 13:06.30 | Korben | lol found it MoonWolf |
| 13:06.36 | Korben | but its a pain in the ass to add stuff |
| 13:07.02 | MoonWolf | figures |
| 13:08.03 | Korben | lol yea u need to go to Buttons then go find a custom one or make a custom one |
| 13:08.11 | kenlyric | so, for healing, druids want 0 off-tree talents, shammies can take 5, pallies want 11, and priests want 23. |
| 13:08.11 | Korben | after that u need to add categoris |
| 13:08.30 | kenlyric | *balance* |
| 13:08.30 | Codayus | Disc is...an abortion, to be honest. |
| 13:08.31 | Korben | and for each new u need to select new categori |
| 13:08.47 | Codayus | It's not exactly off tree since it's...sort of our OTHER healing tree. :-/ |
| 13:08.51 | kenlyric | and that five for shammies is questionable. |
| 13:09.20 | Codayus | (Our other healing tree that sucks, and doesn't help us heal...so um... Yeah, nevermind.) |
| 13:09.23 | kenlyric | Codayus: except we have to deal with the fluff of two trees. |
| 13:09.27 | Codayus | Yes. |
| 13:09.44 | kenlyric | crit in holy, will in disc |
| 13:09.46 | Codayus | To be fair, shamans don't get much benefit from dumping everything into resto. |
| 13:10.01 | kenlyric | but they don't get anything much out of the other trees. |
| 13:10.11 | Codayus | They kinda run out of healy talents early on, give up, and spend them randomly... |
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| 13:10.17 | Codayus | I think most opt for survivabiluty. |
| 13:10.34 | Codayus | Then again, with Chain Heal, who needs talents? :-) |
| 13:10.38 | Tokusei | hey, do you guys know why I can't change my install directory in WAU :p? |
| 13:10.59 | kenlyric | you need to type in the directory, not use the browser. |
| 13:11.06 | Tokusei | Ah, okay |
| 13:11.08 | Tokusei | Thanks! |
| 13:11.12 | kenlyric | at least, that fixed it for me |
| 13:11.36 | kenlyric | kept defaulting back to my Documents folder |
| 13:13.27 | kenlyric | hmm, I had no trouble spending 55 points in the shammy resto tree. |
| 13:13.49 | Codayus | Oh? |
| 13:14.02 | Codayus | Hmm, been a while since I've looked at it, I fear. |
| 13:14.09 | kenlyric | granted, I have no idea the relative merit of these talents, but they all apply to healing. |
| 13:14.20 | Codayus | Let me see... |
| 13:14.30 | kenlyric | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hZxZEfxtAeotcd |
| 13:16.14 | kenlyric | hah, actually pally holy is the tree I spend the least in on healing talents. 44 |
| 13:16.16 | Codayus | Hmm, http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hZZEc0tqcotcd |
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| 13:16.42 | Codayus | 41 points resto, nothing skipped that really matters. 5% crit chance on heals basically. |
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| 13:17.00 | kenlyric | yes, you *can*. but you don't have to. |
| 13:18.37 | Codayus | Totemic Focus, Imp Reincarnate, Tidal Mastery - really just unrelated fluff. *shrug* |
| 13:18.43 | Andryk | Good morning folks - anyone on that knows FuBarPlugin-3.0 well enough to tell me why AbramsFu:SetFuBarOption("iconPath", "Interface\\Icons\\Spell_Holy_DevotionAura" ) doesn't work? AbramsFu is, of course, a Rock addon that includes FuBarPlugin-3.0. If I include the above line, the addon doesn't load - take it out and it loads fine... |
| 13:18.44 | CIA-12 | 03babu * r52370 10TrainingWheels/ (18 files in 4 dirs): |
| 13:18.44 | CIA-12 | TrainingWheels: |
| 13:18.44 | CIA-12 | - Deleted empty Libs folder. (Externals will create the folder and populate it anyway.) |
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| 13:18.44 | CIA-12 | - Added build/rev number in TOC. |
| 13:20.36 | kenlyric | taking every talent which affect your longevity/healing, I get 44 paladin, 47 priest, 55 shammy and 61 druid. |
| 13:20.44 | kenlyric | so, what do pallies do with all their extra points? |
| 13:20.51 | kenlyric | better shield? |
| 13:21.24 | Codayus | Solo ability I think? |
| 13:21.25 | kenlyric | ahh, retribution tree, of course |
| 13:21.33 | Codayus | Sorry, not up on current pally specs. |
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| 13:22.35 | kenlyric | I think now that silent resolve doesn't apply to shadow, it really should get absorbed into the holy tree. |
| 13:22.46 | Codayus | Yes |
| 13:23.28 | Codayus | My dream? Meditation is given to us as our 41 point holy talent (1 point = full effect), CoH drops drops down to 31 point, and Lightwell is trained. |
| 13:23.40 | Codayus | And the disc tree...well, I'll be damned if I know what should happen to it. |
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| 13:24.19 | Codayus | Hmm, wait, Inner Focus is still pretty sexy. |
| 13:24.20 | kenlyric | I got no issues with imp ds staying in disc. |
| 13:24.29 | kenlyric | just, move it up a tier (or 2) |
| 13:24.51 | kenlyric | train DS, make imp ds up one tier. fixed. |
| 13:24.56 | ag` | No, they should not give us passive talents as 21, 31, 41.. etc. They should come up with real spells |
| 13:25.23 | Codayus | CoH isn't passive! :-) |
| 13:25.40 | kenlyric | I think he's talking about meditation :) |
| 13:25.45 | Codayus | Yeah, I know. |
| 13:25.47 | ag` | Not really worth taking though, is it? |
| 13:25.51 | ag` | I know waht some people say |
| 13:25.58 | kenlyric | I don't want to be absolutely forced into my 41 point talent. |
| 13:26.06 | Codayus | CoH? Useless in T4. Good in T5. Awesome in T6. Scales well, fun to use. |
| 13:26.25 | kenlyric | meditation at 41 is like innervate at 41 |
| 13:26.27 | Codayus | The only downside is if your the only holy priest (not unlikely) you'll probably be made to spec Imp DS instead. |
| 13:26.29 | kenlyric | (31) |
| 13:26.35 | Codayus | kenlyric: Good point. |
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| 13:27.06 | Codayus | Then again, shadow can't remotely skip talents...so... |
| 13:27.08 | kenlyric | disarming shot still a rumor? |
| 13:27.36 | ag` | So does meditation make spirit unsuck with the new meditation? |
| 13:27.41 | kenlyric | yes |
| 13:28.06 | Codayus | If you have any doubts about CoH, bring it to VR, and make sure your raid leader stacks the melee group well. 1 holy priest can just about solo heal the entire rogue pack...and it's instacast so you can dodge balls. |
| 13:28.09 | kenlyric | along with the other spirit talents, i'm comfortable with blizzard's itemization value of spirit/mp5 |
| 13:28.17 | Codayus | Then you realize that CoH sucks on most other T5 fights, but whatever. |
| 13:28.28 | kenlyric | with a 30% mediation. |
| 13:28.40 | ag` | well |
| 13:28.52 | ag` | to be honest all classes should have 30% meditation passive |
| 13:28.59 | Codayus | And yes, it's time to stack spirit again, and learn to play tricks with Inner Focus, Holy Conc, Bangle, Earing, etc. |
| 13:28.59 | ag` | and they should just remove the talents |
| 13:29.11 | ag` | I don't see why you should have to spend talents to make your gear not suck |
| 13:29.14 | ag` | :P |
| 13:29.18 | Codayus | ag`: That'd break shamans and pallies who have different mana regen models... |
| 13:29.40 | Codayus | ...of course, they could junk them too, and just make EVERYONE run off spirit, but that'd require full reitemization... |
| 13:29.47 | kenlyric | and, also, boring. |
| 13:29.52 | Codayus | Ya |
| 13:30.07 | kenlyric | it's a good day when the number of successful auctions outnumbers the number of expired auctions. |
| 13:30.11 | ag` | still |
| 13:30.21 | ag` | meditation is required for everyone |
| 13:30.29 | ag` | you can't really skip it |
| 13:30.46 | Codayus | Holy yes...shadow not so much. |
| 13:30.59 | Codayus | But I guess you were focusing on healers. :-) |
| 13:31.08 | ag` | yeah |
| 13:31.17 | ag` | I do spec it too as shadow though |
| 13:31.22 | Codayus | (Shadow specs usually do take it, but mostly because there's nothing else...) |
| 13:31.23 | Codayus | So do I. |
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| 13:31.56 | kenlyric | my levelling set was pretty heavy on spirit, so mediation made sense. |
| 13:32.59 | baer_ | what is the suggested order for 25 ppl raid bosses in bc? |
| 13:33.33 | nevcairiel | gruul/magtheridon -> ssc -> tk -> hyjal -> bt |
| 13:33.39 | Codayus | Gruul -> VR -> Lurker -> umm |
| 13:33.44 | kenlyric | nobody does mag, of course. |
| 13:33.54 | Codayus | In 2.2, Solarian probably. |
| 13:33.59 | ag` | I'd say all bosses in SSC (not vashj) then all bosses in TK(not kael), then vashj, then kael, then hyjal :P |
| 13:33.59 | nevcairiel | nobody has to because they nerfed the quest |
| 13:34.06 | Codayus | Then back to SSC. |
| 13:34.10 | nevcairiel | i still hate blizz for removing the quest |
| 13:34.17 | nevcairiel | tk was so nice and empty |
| 13:34.26 | nevcairiel | now every dumbass can farm VR |
| 13:34.37 | Codayus | Don't forget farming Solarian. |
| 13:34.45 | nevcairiel | havent done her in 2.2 |
| 13:34.46 | nevcairiel | so no idea |
| 13:34.47 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: rofl |
| 13:35.02 | nevcairiel | we generally dont go TK anymore |
| 13:35.25 | nevcairiel | at least i get my title now for doing the quest once! |
| 13:35.30 | Codayus | Solarian in 2.2... Aran style reactive healing, AoE some weak adds, handle a Geddon style bomb. |
| 13:35.43 | Codayus | Roughly as hard as VR and Lurker. |
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| 13:36.33 | Codayus | Depends what your guilds resident idiots are bad at. (We've got a holy priest who can't dodge an orb to save her life; weeks of training have resulted in her no longer gibbing the melee with an orb. Yes, I'm serious.) |
| 13:36.45 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:37.32 | Ellipsis | anyone know how much WoW EU subscriptions are? |
| 13:37.36 | nevcairiel | at least our guild is not so nice there, if you really cant manage, you just dont get to see that fight anymore. and if its really bad, not any other either :P |
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| 13:37.49 | nevcairiel | per month you mean? |
| 13:37.59 | Ellipsis | yeah |
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| 13:38.06 | Codayus | Well, we're short on healers. |
| 13:38.11 | Gnarfoz | Ellipsis: here |
| 13:38.24 | baer_ | so, Gruul > Voidreaver > Lurker below > ... ? |
| 13:38.27 | cryogen | 7.99 GBP, i think |
| 13:38.28 | Gnarfoz | they're 13 EUR per month? :) |
| 13:38.32 | Codayus | baer_: Solarian, definetly. |
| 13:38.36 | Gnarfoz | that's not EU, that's UK :p |
| 13:38.56 | Ellipsis | ah, ty Gnarfoz |
| 13:38.57 | cryogen | Gnarfoz: careful |
| 13:38.58 | nevcairiel | i think its 12.99 yea |
| 13:39.06 | Gnarfoz | cryogen: what? :> |
| 13:39.06 | nevcairiel | unless you pay for longer terms, of course |
| 13:39.14 | Codayus | Then oh, Hydross, Morogrim, Alar, Karethress, Leo? Maybe. Frankly, once you get past VR, Lurker, and Solarian, it's all a toss up. |
| 13:39.20 | nevcairiel | whats it in us? |
| 13:39.25 | Gnarfoz | 15$? |
| 13:39.26 | cryogen | Gnarfoz: last time i checked, the UK is in the EU |
| 13:39.34 | cryogen | and its 8.99 in gbp :) |
| 13:39.38 | cryogen | about 0.1EUR cheaper for me, whee |
| 13:39.40 | nevcairiel | cryogen: but they dont want to! |
| 13:39.47 | baer_ | Codayus: seriously, my guild cleared karazhan, gruul and wiped 1 or 2 times @magtheridon, then we tried lurker and killed him in try#5. |
| 13:39.49 | Andryk | Is there anyone on that knows FuBarPlugin-3.0 well enough to tell me why AbramsFu:SetFuBarOption("iconPath", "Interface\\Icons\\Spell_Holy_DevotionAura" ) doesn't work? AbramsFu is, of course, a Rock addon that includes FuBarPlugin-3.0. If I include the above line, the addon doesn't load - take it out and it loads fine... |
| 13:39.52 | cryogen | nevcairiel: *i* dont want to either, but thats not the point :p |
| 13:39.52 | Ellipsis | well the person I'm asking for doesn't live in the UK, so :P |
| 13:39.53 | Gnarfoz | cryogen: great, they're still pretty vocal about giving a shit about the EU, though :D |
| 13:40.11 | baer_ | Codayus: not visited TK so far. |
| 13:40.17 | cryogen | well to be fair, its the same price |
| 13:40.29 | cryogen | i was just trying to remember how much i pay so i could convert it to EUR |
| 13:40.33 | JoshBorke | Andryk: did you check FrameXML.log? |
| 13:40.43 | nevcairiel | now, whats it in US? |
| 13:40.44 | Andryk | Yeah....nothing there. |
| 13:40.47 | Codayus | baer_: If you can kill Lurker, you can kill VR and Solarian. |
| 13:40.49 | JoshBorke | Andryk: try running that later on once you've logged in and see if it generates a bug |
| 13:40.52 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel, as Gnarfoz said, $15/mo |
| 13:40.53 | nevcairiel | i bet we pay too much with our high-euro here |
| 13:40.59 | nevcairiel | we do pay too much. |
| 13:41.00 | baer_ | Codayus: seriously? oO |
| 13:41.04 | Codayus | Mag...isn't HARD, but we can't get the class mix for love or money. |
| 13:41.22 | Andryk | I'm running it right now - it doesn't seem to generate a bug in FrameXML.log... |
| 13:41.30 | baer_ | i read every player need arcane resistance with solarian? |
| 13:41.32 | nevcairiel | 15$ is just like 10.5€ |
| 13:41.35 | nevcairiel | stupid you! |
| 13:41.38 | cryogen | hmm 15$ is $7.3515 |
| 13:41.39 | Codayus | baer_: Um, yes. VR is usually considered easier than Lurker. Solarian now is...probably similar. VR needs 2-3 good tanks and good DPS, very much like Gruul. |
| 13:41.44 | cryogen | £7.3515 |
| 13:41.44 | cryogen | even |
| 13:41.45 | Gnarfoz | http://www.google.de/search?q=13+eur+in+USD |
| 13:41.45 | Codayus | Solarian needs *NO* arcane resist. |
| 13:42.04 | JoshBorke | if you can kill VR, does that mean you should be able to kill lurker? |
| 13:42.15 | cryogen | however, in the uk we pay VAT on it |
| 13:42.21 | cryogen | whcih brings it up to £8.36 |
| 13:42.22 | Gnarfoz | http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=15+USD+in+EUR :< |
| 13:42.23 | cryogen | so its almost the same price |
| 13:42.26 | Codayus | Lots of AoE (mages/locks), AoE tanks, maybe 6 healers. If people can learn to RUN when they get the bomb, you'll down Solarian the first night. |
| 13:42.27 | baer_ | JoshBorke: it's the other way 'round, my guild nailed lurker so far. :) |
| 13:42.32 | cryogen | Gnarfoz: dont forget to add tax |
| 13:42.41 | nevcairiel | i dont pay anything on it, pure 12.99 |
| 13:42.41 | Gnarfoz | cryogen: tax is always included here |
| 13:42.44 | JoshBorke | baer_: my guild nailed VR last week and is trying to again this week |
| 13:42.47 | Ellipsis | not all US states pay tax either |
| 13:42.50 | Gnarfoz | oh, you mean for the US prices |
| 13:42.52 | Codayus | JoshBorke: Probably; Lurker is a little complex. It's a good target if you just downed VR. |
| 13:42.59 | cryogen | the us price is probably without tax |
| 13:43.03 | cryogen | not sure they even pay it on games |
| 13:43.04 | Gnarfoz | yeah, guess so |
| 13:43.14 | JoshBorke | pretty sure we should kill the ranged adds on lurker first, right? |
| 13:43.29 | nevcairiel | sheep melee adds |
| 13:43.29 | Gnarfoz | I'm so used to VAT I keep forgetting not all US states have it |
| 13:43.32 | nevcairiel | kill ranged |
| 13:43.36 | nevcairiel | kill melee |
| 13:43.38 | JoshBorke | yea, that's what i thought |
| 13:43.41 | nevcairiel | lurker respawns |
| 13:43.54 | Gnarfoz | we tank melee adds, but it's all the same pretty much |
| 13:43.59 | Codayus | We freeze trap (or sheep) 1 of every ranged pair, tank the melee. Ranged splits into 3 and clears islands simultaneously. Melee kills guardians 1 by 1. This works very well for us. |
| 13:44.19 | nevcairiel | oh, i guess we have the melees kill one of the melee adds too |
| 13:44.22 | nevcairiel | been some time :P |
| 13:44.28 | Codayus | But we bring the class/specs to support it. Sheeping guardians instead of tanking them all works well too. |
| 13:44.36 | Gnarfoz | now, back to watching more Heroes episodes back-to-back :> |
| 13:44.44 | cncfanatics | cryogen, get online you nab :p |
| 13:44.59 | cncfanatics | btw, a mate of mine is rerolling with us |
| 13:45.23 | Codayus | We tried sheeping melee adds, but they broke, got loose, teleported, and cleaved healers. We wiped a couple times, said screw it, and just tanked them. Works GREAT until one of your tanks gets lost. |
| 13:45.28 | Codayus | Or falls in and can't get out. |
| 13:45.38 | Gnarfoz | movement newbs? :> |
| 13:45.42 | Codayus | Yeah |
| 13:46.00 | Gnarfoz | although I have to say, I had trouble getting out of the water in some of the earlier tries, too, being a gnome an' all |
| 13:46.07 | cryogen | cncfanatics: at work |
| 13:46.09 | Gnarfoz | I just brought noggenfogger ;D |
| 13:46.10 | cryogen | cncfanatics: and cool :) |
| 13:46.11 | Codayus | Feral forms can mess you up too. |
| 13:46.48 | Gnarfoz | it's also pretty hard to supress the urge to always jump when you're swimming |
| 13:47.14 | neenee | Um |
| 13:47.20 | Gnarfoz | ;D increases damage several times because each time you enter the water again, you get damage |
| 13:47.33 | neenee | Was the sound of bags opening/closing when Baggins opens and closed disabled? I'd like it back |
| 13:47.43 | Codayus | Heh |
| 13:47.51 | Codayus | It's AMAZING how many silly things you can do on Lurker. |
| 13:48.02 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 13:48.03 | Codayus | I managed to dive in to avoid spout...but couldn't get LoS on him while swimming. |
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| 13:48.06 | Codayus | Backed up...no dice. |
| 13:48.16 | Codayus | Backed up...accidentally climbed up ONTO the island. |
| 13:48.22 | Codayus | Got hit by spout and died. >< |
| 13:48.41 | Gnarfoz | I went afk for dinner directly after a wipe |
| 13:49.10 | Gnarfoz | came back to see myself alive in the water (got ressed, they started, got hit by whirl or the other one, they seem to have healed me through)... |
| 13:49.18 | |Stan| | oh noes |
| 13:49.24 | |Stan| | the chinese broke cycircled |
| 13:49.25 | Codayus | Or...some ranged got too close at the wrong time, and pulled aggro JUST as he spouted. His spout started directly on me (180 degrees opposite the MT). I flew way back, but I shielded, and managed to get back to one of the islands. |
| 13:49.30 | Gnarfoz | but spout killed me before I could sit down xD |
| 13:49.41 | Codayus | I was PUMPED! SURVIVED! Then spout came back around to complete the circuit... |
| 13:49.46 | Codayus | ...and hit be AGAIN. Dead. |
| 13:50.20 | kenlyric | where's the new hunter ammo bag recipes? |
| 13:50.29 | Codayus | Being hit by the same spout twice sucks. |
| 13:50.35 | Gnarfoz | is that new btw? |
| 13:50.42 | Gnarfoz | that it starts on ranged? |
| 13:50.49 | Gnarfoz | only had that recently |
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| 13:51.09 | Codayus | Gnarfoz: AFAIK, no. |
| 13:51.13 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 13:51.18 | Codayus | But the ranged must be *IN* melee range, *AND* top threat. |
| 13:51.21 | Gnarfoz | must be our shadow priest fucking up :> |
| 13:51.29 | Codayus | And ranged should never be in melee range. :-) |
| 13:51.40 | Codayus | Could be a bug though, it's a pretty buggy fight. |
| 13:51.46 | |Stan| | nevcairiel: can you revert the latest commits by "sayclub" he broke nearly everything.. |
| 13:51.46 | Gnarfoz | yeah. |
| 13:52.01 | Codayus | For example, geyser is NOT supposed to hit the MT. |
| 13:52.09 | Codayus | In 2.2 it does. |
| 13:52.12 | Codayus | In 2.1 it didn't. |
| 13:52.22 | Codayus | In some (but not all) earlier patches it did. |
| 13:52.36 | Gnarfoz | no problem though |
| 13:52.43 | Codayus | Yeah, just swim.. |
| 13:52.47 | Gnarfoz | it's knockback is not severe enough to kick the MT from the platform |
| 13:52.52 | Codayus | Oh, but it is. |
| 13:52.56 | Codayus | :-/ |
| 13:52.57 | Gnarfoz | oO |
| 13:53.02 | Codayus | Well, out of range. |
| 13:53.13 | Codayus | I dunno if he goes OFF exactly, but it WILL gib your melee very fast. |
| 13:53.39 | nevcairiel | |Stan|: on what addon? |
| 13:53.47 | Codayus | That took a couple wipes, our MT didn't swim until 2.2 hit...so patch day, and all of a sudden Lurker is gibbing rogues every couple of minutes...constantly. |
| 13:53.52 | Gnarfoz | I don't care anyway, I order everyone to move their damn asses out of melee range 3sec before whirl, and to spread out |
| 13:54.13 | |Stan| | nevcairiel: AutoBar, LibBabble-Spell-3.0, cyCircled |
| 13:54.19 | Codayus | Geyser, not whirl...nothing you can do about it if your MT gets hit and flies out of melee range. |
| 13:54.26 | MoonWolf | good "morning" Tekkub |
| 13:54.41 | Codayus | Since Lurker will then start working down his aggro list without warning. |
| 13:54.53 | MoonWolf | and people DIE |
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| 13:55.15 | CIA-12 | - Forgot a $ in $URL $ T_T |
| 13:55.29 | Codayus | And if you lose all your melee, the guardians eat you. |
| 13:55.57 | Gnarfoz | could you spell reflect geyser, if you had SR up at the right time? |
| 13:56.03 | MoonWolf | doubt it |
| 13:56.11 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 13:56.13 | JoshBorke | spellreflect spout! |
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| 13:56.19 | Gnarfoz | that'd be awesome |
| 13:56.19 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 13:56.29 | MoonWolf | suddenly spout lurker in the face |
| 13:56.30 | JoshBorke | too bad it's 3 spells of 3k each |
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| 13:56.32 | MoonWolf | that would be a sight. |
| 13:57.10 | Gnarfoz | then I guess we were just lucky geyser didn't hit our MT, we killed him after 2.2 no problem (besides our raiders being stupid, of course) so far |
| 13:58.09 | nevcairiel | |Stan|: i dont see any obvious errors in the diffs, whats the error? |
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| 13:58.17 | Codayus | Well, it may be that it's not bugged for all raids. :-) |
| 13:59.54 | neenee | Odd. WaU2 does not see all the updates WaU 1.9 updates |
| 14:01.03 | nevcairiel | wau2 isnt finished yet, it may contain bugs like that |
| 14:01.40 | neenee | Well, it does an xml file download and updates, but it does not gets some of them according to wau 1.9 |
| 14:01.48 | neenee | As if they're not using the same file. |
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| 14:03.40 | CIA-12 | cyCircled: |
| 14:03.40 | CIA-12 | - Tweak Bongos2 |
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| 14:04.46 | |Stan| | nevcairiel: http://ace.pastey.net/75421 |
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| 14:08.07 | neenee | Hm. |
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| 14:08.21 | neenee | I wish Baggins had /baggins hdb instead of /baggins hidedefaultbank |
| 14:09.07 | Grum | iew .. typing |
| 14:09.12 | CIA-12 | 03rabbit * r52379 10LibBabble-Spell-3.0/LibBabble-Spell-3.0.lua: LibBabble-Spell-3.0: Bugfix. |
| 14:10.05 | Pkekyo | anyone here know dotimer well? |
| 14:11.49 | CIA-12 | 03rabbit * r52380 10LibBabble-Zone-3.0/LibBabble-Zone-3.0.lua: LibBabble-Zone-3.0: Bugfix. |
| 14:12.08 | SunTsu | .o0( Bongos2 - looks great, I just have to find out how I can hide all that blizzard stuff... With me it still sticks around ) |
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| 14:12.56 | JoshBorke | bongos hides all the blizzard stuff for me |
| 14:13.41 | SunTsu | JoshBorke: I thought it would, but it does not. Bartender3 does not, either. Looks like I have a problem somewhere else |
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| 14:16.25 | Pkekyo | SunTsu: yeah, must be a conflicting addon or something |
| 14:20.44 | SunTsu | Pkekyo: I think so. Will look into it when I'm home from work. Has a low prio with me, bcause I haven't even decided yet whether I really want to use bongos or bartender |
| 14:23.48 | CIA-12 | 03babu * r52381 10TrainingWheels/TrainingWheels.lua: |
| 14:23.48 | CIA-12 | TrainingWheels: |
| 14:23.48 | CIA-12 | - $URL: $ working properly now. |
| 14:23.49 | CIA-12 | - Preparing to branch... |
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| 14:24.58 | CIA-12 | LibCooldown-1.0: |
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| 14:27.31 | cncfanatics | Balstor, u around ?N |
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| 14:30.11 | CIA-12 | Babble-2.2: |
| 14:30.11 | CIA-12 | -Boss: Update zhTW translation. |
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| 14:33.58 | Marli | Nice autobar update |
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| 14:34.07 | Marli | Create firestone instead of create healthstone |
| 14:34.08 | Marli | v handy |
| 14:35.00 | Knaledge | so.. if my guild is willing to purchase a lot of higher end mats for me to level LW |
| 14:35.11 | Knaledge | but my current profs are Herb/Mining 375 |
| 14:35.12 | cncfanatics | Marli, code ur own autobar then |
| 14:35.23 | Knaledge | and I have a level 12 alt... |
| 14:35.34 | Knaledge | should I drop herb/mining for skinning/LW? |
| 14:35.36 | Marli | Or.. I could use the old version cncfanatics |
| 14:35.52 | nevcairiel | why would you want LW? |
| 14:35.52 | Knaledge | or can I suffice by just keeping mining and dropping herbalism? |
| 14:36.02 | Knaledge | well a few reasons |
| 14:36.06 | Knaledge | rogue for one |
| 14:36.13 | kenlyric | meh |
| 14:36.14 | Knaledge | second we have tons of BoE patterns |
| 14:36.22 | Knaledge | and BoP we never pick up now |
| 14:36.41 | Knaledge | we're wrapping up SSC/TK and want to take advantage of hyjal/bt patterns |
| 14:36.43 | nevcairiel | do you have any LW that can do all the BoP? |
| 14:36.45 | Knaledge | but dont have a LW |
| 14:37.13 | Knaledge | we have one that can do all of the BoP in SSC (from trash) |
| 14:37.29 | Knaledge | but they'd like to have two or three total |
| 14:37.36 | Knaledge | so I was asked if I wanted to do so |
| 14:37.46 | nevcairiel | Your guild is weird, we have like 5 or 6 LW |
| 14:37.56 | nevcairiel | mostly hunters or druids |
| 14:37.59 | Knaledge | naturally, being the helpful guy I am, I offered to do it |
| 14:38.23 | siIentium | rogues being helpful? ;> |
| 14:38.30 | Knaledge | but I'm wondering if it's possible to get high LW without sknning if mats are purchasable with the power of a guild bank |
| 14:38.54 | siIentium | technically it's possible |
| 14:38.57 | Knaledge | or rather... efficient |
| 14:39.12 | Knaledge | I think my fear is that if I drop mining... I'm out of cash essentially. |
| 14:39.19 | Knaledge | (since I have no major alts) |
| 14:40.09 | Knaledge | any thoughts? |
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| 14:40.26 | cncfanatics | if the gbank can power you, why not ? |
| 14:40.44 | Knaledge | well thats the thing though they dont waant to spend over 1500g per |
| 14:40.49 | Knaledge | since it's me and one other doing it |
| 14:40.50 | evl | well raiding is expensive |
| 14:41.10 | Knaledge | basically they told me OK... get as far as you can in LW on your own |
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| 14:41.13 | Balstor | dailys make raiding a zero-sum game |
| 14:41.20 | Knaledge | when you hit a pont where you can't do it anymore |
| 14:41.28 | Knaledge | let us know and we'll power it out for you with mats |
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| 14:42.28 | Knaledge | I guess the bottom line is |
| 14:42.46 | Knaledge | should I drop mining to take skinning, if I dont have an alt? |
| 14:42.50 | Knaledge | so I have LW/skinning |
| 14:43.10 | JoshBorke | leather is cheaper than ore |
| 14:43.12 | Knaledge | or should I continue to hammer away on an alt to bring up their skinning |
| 14:43.13 | Balstor | mining is better gold in the long eun, I would just befriend a skinner |
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| 14:44.00 | Knaledge | has anyone had to level mining iin a quick amount of time? |
| 14:44.05 | Balstor | one weekend grab a skinner head out and you can get done firly quickly just make sure you have the patterns ready to learn |
| 14:44.27 | Balstor | I leveled mining in a quick time and the worst part is the middle 200s |
| 14:44.43 | Knaledge | quick like a few days? |
| 14:44.52 | Knaledge | I know it took no time at all to level herbalism |
| 14:44.54 | Knaledge | that was a joke |
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| 14:45.05 | cncfanatics | I lvld 300 mining in a day |
| 14:45.06 | Knaledge | I had previously had 325~ blacksmithing |
| 14:45.18 | Knaledge | dropped it for herb and got it up to 375 in like two days. |
| 14:45.23 | Balstor | I did 300 to 375 in about 5 hours the 200s was a week or two cause you need very specfic nodes |
| 14:45.24 | Knaledge | really? |
| 14:45.32 | Knaledge | hrm |
| 14:45.49 | cncfanatics | I did that on lowpop though |
| 14:45.51 | xyu | Also depends on how rich you are ^^ |
| 14:45.51 | Knaledge | I mean let's put it this way - is it plain _easier_ to go LW/skinning and power it out? |
| 14:45.52 | durcyn | Knaledge: find a mining buddy and take turns tapping the same node without looting it. |
| 14:45.54 | cncfanatics | doubt I'll manage on a highpop server |
| 14:46.03 | Balstor | if you drop it make and alt and LOAD it don with the low level ores and smelt your way past the first 100 I would say |
| 14:46.04 | durcyn | Knaledge: unless they fixed the bug, you'll get a skillup every time |
| 14:46.14 | cncfanatics | omg thats fancy |
| 14:46.31 | Knaledge | @durcyn: I don't think that works anymore |
| 14:46.36 | Balstor | sounds like the engineering level up bug |
| 14:46.55 | Knaledge | because I tried that when leveling to 375 mining on some adamantite ore |
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| 14:47.12 | Knaledge | unless you're saying it won't work in succession but WILL if it's me, then you, then me |
| 14:47.13 | Knaledge | etc. |
| 14:47.35 | xyu | i think that's what he's saying |
| 14:47.41 | Knaledge | hrm |
| 14:47.42 | durcyn | i mean two different characters alternating on the same node. |
| 14:47.47 | Knaledge | never tried that |
| 14:48.04 | Balstor | cncfanatics are macroid's like 16777272 ??? |
| 14:48.10 | durcyn | apparently resource nodes only have one character name in their tap list |
| 14:48.15 | durcyn | or did, once upon a time. |
| 14:48.17 | Knaledge | so the consensus is then that.. |
| 14:48.23 | cncfanatics | Balstor, they're ints numered from 1 to 50 as far as I know |
| 14:48.24 | Knaledge | skinning + LW is obviously easier |
| 14:48.33 | siIentium | Knaledge: well you just need leather to level up your leatherworking, right? once you hit 375 ppl can bring you mats if they want you to craft stuff |
| 14:48.40 | Knaledge | skinning is minorly profitable but no as much as minin/herb |
| 14:48.43 | Balstor | it's simpler cause you don't need anyone else |
| 14:48.54 | Knaledge | yeah exactly |
| 14:48.56 | Knaledge | and I'm 70 |
| 14:49.03 | siIentium | so you could sell mining stuff and buy leather to level |
| 14:49.04 | Knaledge | I can tear through mobs and power level skinning |
| 14:49.09 | Knaledge | whereas on my alt... |
| 14:49.21 | Pkekyo | can dotimer also track item cooldowns? |
| 14:49.28 | siIentium | or just grab a skinner friend to help you out and go on a killing spree |
| 14:49.32 | Knaledge | so is it agreed skinning = fairly useless once LW is maxed? |
| 14:49.44 | kenlyric | pretty much. |
| 14:49.47 | kenlyric | until you level. |
| 14:49.53 | Knaledge | (if the ultimate goal is just getting max LW and crafting BoP/BoE patterns?) |
| 14:50.02 | siIentium | it's only needed for mats, but leather is cheaper than mining stuff |
| 14:50.06 | Babu | Anyone can help me why can't I branch my addon? |
| 14:50.11 | Knaledge | hrm |
| 14:50.12 | Babu | Error: PROPFIND request failed on '/wowace/!svn/bc/52383/branches/TrainingWheels' |
| 14:50.16 | Babu | Error: '/wowace/!svn/bc/52383/branches/TrainingWheels' path not found |
| 14:50.30 | Babu | when i tried branching it. what obvious step did i miss? @_@ |
| 14:51.21 | Knaledge | I'l think I'll drop mining, begrudingly |
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| 14:51.26 | Knaledge | *whatever |
| 14:51.41 | Knaledge | I figure.... ok I power out skinning/LW |
| 14:51.51 | cncfanatics | mkdir http://.../wowace/branches/uraddondir |
| 14:51.55 | cncfanatics | s/mkdir/svn mkdir/ |
| 14:52.09 | Knaledge | by the time I hit 375 LW and 375 sknning, I can probably get my alt to a decent enough level to continue mining or herbing |
| 14:52.13 | Knaledge | maybe not even drop skinning |
| 14:52.39 | Babu | u mean i have to make the directory myself first T_T |
| 14:52.46 | cncfanatics | imo drop mining, get skinning LW, get LW 375, drop skinning, get 375 mining |
| 14:53.20 | Knaledge | @cncfanactics: and then on my alt... just continue leveling and taking on skinning/herbalism? |
| 14:53.35 | cncfanatics | I'd do that |
| 14:53.43 | Knaledge | ok cool |
| 14:53.46 | Knaledge | my alt is a mage btw |
| 14:53.53 | Knaledge | I was told its a fairly easy class to farm with |
| 14:54.20 | Knaledge | the only reason I'd ever have an alt anyhow is for mat farming. I honestly don't find it... beneficial to have one if you ave a heavy raiding main. |
| 14:54.34 | Knaledge | time, maximization on main, etc. are factors for me |
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| 14:56.48 | kenlyric | I guess maybe some people play the game for fun? |
| 14:56.51 | harldephin | can we have a click-through'able mouse-over PitBull frame? - nobody actually clicks on a mouse-over frame, but mousing over a target which is in the same screen place as the frame results in the frame made visible/invisible about every 4th of a second. |
| 14:57.14 | CIA-12 | 03babu * r52384 10/branches/TrainingWheels/: |
| 14:57.14 | CIA-12 | TrainingWheels: |
| 14:57.14 | CIA-12 | - Branch dir for TrainingWheels |
| 14:57.41 | nevcairiel | frames that are mouse-aware arent click-through |
| 14:58.18 | CIA-12 | 03babu 07beta * r52385 10TrainingWheels/: |
| 14:58.18 | CIA-12 | TrainingWheels: |
| 14:58.18 | CIA-12 | - Beta branch for bug fixes and stabilisation before push to trunk |
| 14:58.19 | harldephin | uhm.. do you know what a mouse-over unitframe is supposed to be? |
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| 14:58.58 | nevcairiel | ah i see what you mean now. but i dont think pitbull allows turnig off mouse-awareness |
| 14:59.09 | nevcairiel | and the unitname is mouseover .. not mouse-over :P |
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| 14:59.22 | harldephin | i know that |
| 14:59.26 | CIA-12 | 03babu 07beta * r52386 10TrainingWheels/TrainingWheels/: |
| 14:59.26 | CIA-12 | TrainingWheels: |
| 14:59.26 | CIA-12 | - Beta branch. Prevents unstable and untested code from entering trunk. |
| 15:00.25 | harldephin | but still PitBull's frame showing the unit "mouseover" is named mouse-over (or, more correct, "Mouse-over") |
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| 15:01.45 | Xinhuan | you can probably try to find the framename |
| 15:01.53 | Xinhuan | GetMouseFocus():GetName() |
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| 15:02.03 | Xinhuan | then use :EnableMouse(false) on it |
| 15:02.06 | Xinhuan | or something |
| 15:02.28 | Xinhuan | GetMouseFocus():EnableMouse(false) |
| 15:02.34 | Xinhuan | dunno if it will work |
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| 15:07.01 | CIA-12 | 03speeddymon * r52387 10CooldownTimers2/Core.lua: |
| 15:07.01 | CIA-12 | CooldownTimers2: |
| 15:07.01 | CIA-12 | - Fixed pulse when the bar is in the middle of a pulse as it hits 0.0 |
| 15:07.01 | CIA-12 | - Reordered the bar completion function so that if you have cooldownfinished sound enabled, it will play regardless of whether the announce is enabled or disabled, effectively making the option work properly |
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| 15:12.54 | Balstor | cncfanatics http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366694937&postId=24677147761&sid=1#0 |
| 15:15.43 | Kalman| | ~seen Roartindon |
| 15:16.08 | purl | roartindon <n=jtlim@ppp121-45-173-106.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 13h 38m 58s ago, saying: 'Oh well, it's what we ended up with :)'. |
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| 15:17.18 | Matrix110 | any US person here atm? |
| 15:17.37 | Matrix110 | was there some special day yesterday? |
| 15:18.20 | CIA-12 | 03stan * r52388 10LibBabble-Spell-3.0/LibBabble-Spell-3.0.lua: |
| 15:18.20 | CIA-12 | LibBabble-Spell-3.0.lua: |
| 15:18.20 | CIA-12 | - deDE Update |
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| 15:20.01 | Killmore | with a macro, is it possible tu target someone in his group who is alive ? |
| 15:20.38 | Balstor | as in a special US day? |
| 15:20.58 | Matrix110 | yeah |
| 15:21.18 | Balstor | not thst i remember just a tuesday, why? |
| 15:21.35 | Matrix110 | because fox didnt send a new ep of a series i watch:P |
| 15:21.36 | Megalon | Matrix110: are they invading your country? :P |
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| 15:23.12 | ulic | Matrix110: MLB playoffs |
| 15:23.29 | Matrix110 | ic a sports event |
| 15:23.33 | Pkekyo | Hjalte around? |
| 15:23.42 | ulic | Baseball, america's game, or so they say :) |
| 15:23.45 | Hjalte | Pkekyo: Yeah |
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| 15:24.41 | Pkekyo | what server do you play on? eu/us? |
| 15:24.50 | ulic | Matrix110: this is the semi-finals, I think FOX also carries the finals, so it me be another week even before shows come back. |
| 15:25.07 | Hjalte | Pkekyo: Kazzak and Dunemaul EU |
| 15:25.08 | ulic | s/me/might |
| 15:25.13 | Hjalte | Pkekyo: Alliance |
| 15:25.24 | Pkekyo | ah |
| 15:25.49 | Pkekyo | nevermind me then :) |
| 15:26.37 | Matrix110 | thanks ulic :D |
| 15:26.42 | Pkekyo | jesus titty fucking christ, prismatic shards cost MORE than fucking void crystals on my server |
| 15:27.02 | Ellipsis | lawl |
| 15:27.13 | ulic | they are about the same on mine I think |
| 15:27.33 | Pkekyo | well that's completely fucktarded |
| 15:27.38 | ulic | too many people running kara I guess and DE'n stuff |
| 15:28.16 | ulic | also remember there are alot more ways to get epic items in the game then there were in pre-bc |
| 15:28.58 | Pkekyo | ofcourse, but the goddamn blue shards are almost TWICE the price |
| 15:28.59 | ulic | so I could see prices being more equal but not Prismatics costing more then crystals |
| 15:29.08 | ulic | twice, ouch, that's really bad |
| 15:29.25 | ulic | I should transfer to your server, I have like 40 shards in my bank :) |
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| 15:29.44 | Pkekyo | ulic: damn you :< |
| 15:30.58 | CIA-12 | 03chuanhsing * r52390 10BigWigs/ (8 files in 3 dirs): BigWigs: update zhTW |
| 15:30.59 | Pkekyo | I need those blues soooo bad, but not gonna pay 35-50g a piece |
| 15:31.54 | ulic | ouch |
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| 15:32.23 | CIA-12 | LibBabble-Spell-3.0.lua: |
| 15:32.23 | CIA-12 | - deDE Update |
| 15:32.45 | Pkekyo | yeah, it's ridiculous |
| 15:32.53 | Pkekyo | and you can find void crystals down at 20g |
| 15:33.08 | flexom | Pkekyo: u on silvermoon? shards cost more there than voids:p |
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| 15:33.47 | Pkekyo | flexom: noes |
| 15:33.58 | flexom | then it's not just silvermoon :p |
| 15:34.24 | Andryk | Quick Announcement: FuBar_AbramsFu r52389 just uploaded. |
| 15:34.32 | nevcairiel | this is fun, standing in the AH and reported like 10 people for spamming |
| 15:34.44 | flexom | lol nev |
| 15:34.57 | Pkekyo | nevcairiel: ANY time I'm in a major city I report atleast 10 people within the first 10min |
| 15:35.05 | Pkekyo | then I tend to not bother with it anymore |
| 15:35.10 | Pkekyo | and HS off |
| 15:35.11 | nevcairiel | i've been there for like 2min |
| 15:35.53 | cryogen | nevcairiel: i hate that |
| 15:35.57 | cryogen | its so fricking common now |
| 15:36.00 | cryogen | and its all from the same site |
| 15:36.04 | nevcairiel | ya |
| 15:36.05 | cryogen | reporting seems to make no difference |
| 15:36.11 | nevcairiel | wowseller.com right now :P |
| 15:36.12 | cryogen | 2 mins later they are back with a new account |
| 15:36.14 | kenlyric | I just turn off /s |
| 15:36.21 | flexom | I do my trade in Exodar, no spam there:p hooray for being a mage:D |
| 15:36.21 | cryogen | they spam /2 too |
| 15:36.34 | kenlyric | lols that's what you get for /2 |
| 15:36.38 | flexom | hehe |
| 15:36.51 | cryogen | yeah but player spam i can live with :p |
| 15:36.54 | cryogen | and it is sometimes useful |
| 15:36.59 | |Stan| | nevcairiel: you know that with the latest version of both BT3 and cyCircled, bt does't accept the cC style? |
| 15:37.00 | kenlyric | these are lies |
| 15:37.09 | nevcairiel | |Stan|: works for me |
| 15:37.16 | |Stan| | :( |
| 15:37.45 | nevcairiel | tbh bt3 hasnt been updated for a week or so |
| 15:38.03 | siIentium | I just click on SpamSentry in my Fubar every now and then while in major cities and send all those reports at once :) |
| 15:38.08 | |Stan| | that means AutoBar broke it |
| 15:38.16 | Pkekyo | nevcairiel: wowseller.com here as well |
| 15:39.05 | Ellipsis | hm...anyone have any problems with Omen being very confused as to when it should hide/show itself? |
| 15:39.19 | |Stan| | Ellipsis: yes |
| 15:39.31 | Ellipsis | so I'm not crazy? |
| 15:39.44 | |Stan| | you are but the problem is real |
| 15:39.45 | nevcairiel | not in that matter |
| 15:39.50 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 15:39.50 | Ellipsis | oh ok |
| 15:40.02 | Ellipsis | as long as we've got that settled |
| 15:40.15 | |Stan| | <3^^ |
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| 15:40.57 | Recluse | at last i figured out how to hack Cartographer_Import to actually work XD |
| 15:43.18 | Kerafyrm | 3 mods of mine are not properly reading their saved settings on load on the ptr.. was there a change with how the client can read the lua files for settings? |
| 15:43.48 | Knaledge | Is there any mod that is near identical to CT_MailMod? |
| 15:43.51 | Knaledge | I tried Postal |
| 15:43.54 | Knaledge | and... some other mod |
| 15:44.05 | Knaledge | but their layout and interface was/is hella clunky |
| 15:44.12 | Kerafyrm | mail change in 2.3 allows up to 12 items to be sent |
| 15:44.27 | SunTsu | Knaledge: What does CT_MailMod do? |
| 15:44.48 | durcyn | Knaledge: Postal with ACTAI accomplishes the same thing as CTMM. And suck a hell of a lot less. |
| 15:44.56 | Knaledge | I actually only use CT_MM because I can see my mailbox pages (inbox) and check off individual mails I want from there and/or "Open all" |
| 15:44.58 | Knaledge | and lastly |
| 15:45.06 | Knaledge | because their outbox rules |
| 15:45.14 | Knaledge | That nice 21 slot outbox is nice for me |
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| 15:45.32 | Knaledge | @durcyn: how can CT_MM suck? |
| 15:45.33 | SunTsu | Knaledge: Sounds like BulkMail2/BulkMail2Inbox |
| 15:45.42 | Knaledge | it's so basic |
| 15:45.50 | durcyn | Knaledge: I'm serious. Install AltClickToAddItem, type in the recipient, then start alt-clicking items. Postal will autosend them, voila. |
| 15:46.04 | Knaledge | but thats two mods |
| 15:46.08 | Knaledge | CT_MM is one |
| 15:46.13 | durcyn | ... |
| 15:46.20 | hyperChipmunk | "do one thing well" |
| 15:46.27 | Somani | Hi all.. Is Choumarin sometimes here? (maybe with different name..) |
| 15:46.29 | Pkekyo | can dotimer also track item cooldowns? |
| 15:47.09 | SunTsu | Knaledge: One is for sending, one for receiving, both do their job excellent and are made to be used together, but you can use only one if you want to |
| 15:47.53 | hyperChipmunk | plus i wrote them, so they're automatically better than everything else |
| 15:47.53 | Knaledge | @SunTsu: the only issue I may/may not be having with CT_MM is that I opened a few mails just now and they didnt show up in my mailbox |
| 15:48.00 | Knaledge | (inventory.. not mailbox) |
| 15:48.18 | Knaledge | so I petitioned and the GM told me to /rl |
| 15:48.27 | Knaledge | that worked.. there were like 8 items in my inbox |
| 15:48.31 | SunTsu | Knaledge: Then just keep using what fits you best |
| 15:48.38 | Knaledge | now.. whether that was the game.. or CT_MM I can't be sure |
| 15:49.14 | Knaledge | Does BulkMail use that weird interface though? The one where it's one long ass list view? |
| 15:49.25 | Somani | Hi... is there a German LUA-Coder here? ;)) |
| 15:49.28 | Recluse | only thing bulkmail needs is an errorframe suppression feature. when collecting mail, i get spammed with all sorts of mail errors XD |
| 15:49.42 | Knaledge | why do you get errors? |
| 15:50.09 | kenlyric | Recluse: you mean those big errors in orange that appear in the chatframe? |
| 15:50.11 | Recluse | no clue - it's not the addon giving errors, just WoW "Item not found" kind of things |
| 15:50.14 | hyperChipmunk | because it's too fast |
| 15:50.25 | hyperChipmunk | you can ignore them |
| 15:50.29 | Knaledge | The thing I like about CT_MM is that it integrates into the blizz UI for inbox/outbox |
| 15:50.44 | Knaledge | there's this one that I tried that had the blizz UI And then it's own ui to the right of the mailbox |
| 15:50.49 | durcyn | sounds like you've already made up your mind, Knaledge, now you're just trolling. |
| 15:50.50 | Knaledge | whatever that one is, I don't like it |
| 15:50.51 | Recluse | would a rogue spam suppression addon eliminate those? |
| 15:50.59 | hyperChipmunk | Recluse: probably |
| 15:51.07 | hyperChipmunk | Knaledge: that's bulkmail inbox |
| 15:51.16 | hyperChipmunk | that's why they're separate addons |
| 15:51.33 | Knaledge | how does the... "outbox" look/operate? |
| 15:51.37 | kenlyric | honestly, i don't know why those big orange errors aren't picked up by bugsack |
| 15:51.38 | Knaledge | I may not have tried that part of it |
| 15:51.44 | Recluse | i like pre-defined "To:" lists in bulkmail. so nice ^.^ |
| 15:51.49 | SunTsu | Knaledge: Then you don't like BMInbox. But I wonder what can fit you that is not CT_MM |
| 15:51.54 | kenlyric | life without bulkmail is sad. |
| 15:52.03 | hyperChipmunk | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/BulkMail2 |
| 15:52.10 | durcyn | Recluse: try ErrorMonster |
| 15:52.34 | Knaledge | ah.. yeah |
| 15:52.38 | Knaledge | thats the one I tried. |
| 15:53.02 | Recluse | oh, chipmunk, i haven't tested it lately, but i was getting errors when hitting "Take All" if the mail had both items AND cash in the list - one or the other and it was fine. coulda been fixed by now though |
| 15:53.05 | Knaledge | sorry it's just.. to me it's not what I was looking for. I suppose I like CT_MM too much but was hoping there would be an Ace equivalent |
| 15:53.38 | hyperChipmunk | you can look into the svn archives |
| 15:53.40 | Somani | k... if any dev here has a little bit time to spend me (and would maybe earn something...) please query me... |
| 15:53.43 | Recluse | my solution was to "Take Cash" then "Take All" lol |
| 15:53.46 | durcyn | Knaledge: there are TWO ace equivalents, pal |
| 15:53.48 | Knaledge | moreso because of the interface and ease of use. Not to say yours isn't I just really like how CT_MM has a seperate "Mass Mail" pane and it's a bunch of little boxes. |
| 15:53.49 | Kemayo | If you want a CT_Mailmod equivalent *and* hate puppies, Postal is supposed to have some similarities I hear. |
| 15:54.01 | durcyn | Knaledge: you're just unwilling to deal with a slightly different UI, stop being stubborn. |
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| 15:54.10 | hyperChipmunk | all the other ones have stopped development though, because bulkmail owns face! |
| 15:54.20 | Kemayo | This is undeniably true. |
| 15:54.29 | hyperChipmunk | ease of use? |
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| 15:54.36 | Recluse | bulkmail is definitely awesome |
| 15:54.53 | hyperChipmunk | you walk up to mailbox and click 'Send' and all your mails go out; that's the ultimate ease of use |
| 15:54.54 | Knaledge | well for me it's a matter of integration |
| 15:55.07 | Knaledge | I have so many things running on this bank alt at once |
| 15:55.09 | Recluse | but i never used ct_ mail stuff. i personally can't stand the other ct_ addons, so never tried that one |
| 15:55.11 | Knaledge | another window won't help |
| 15:55.14 | Kemayo | The configuration is, admittedly, potentially challenging. |
| 15:55.28 | Knaledge | thats why i like CT_MM is that it's all part of the blizz UI |
| 15:55.36 | Knaledge | whereas bulkmail I recall was all seperate windows |
| 15:55.45 | Knaledge | minor I know but |
| 15:56.04 | Knaledge | like I said I have so much on -screen it's just.. one more window doesn't help |
| 15:56.07 | durcyn | And I'm telling you that Postal works the same way. Again, you're just trolling now. |
| 15:56.28 | Somani | Can someone help me plx? :D I want to add an Export-function to BankAccountant (maybe someone knows this addOn) |
| 15:56.48 | SunTsu | Knaledge: Well, BulkMail2 has rules, where you can define what kind of item should be sent on one click to which recipient |
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| 15:57.26 | SunTsu | Knaledge: But, use what suits you best, you want CT_MM, just use CT_MM |
| 15:59.36 | Knaledge | Is Postal_Bulk still in the works? |
| 15:59.42 | Knaledge | Found a thread regarding that |
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| 16:03.31 | Fisker- | http://www.wowblues.com/us/most-annoying-music-in-game-2366574595.html <-COME ON |
| 16:03.33 | Fisker- | worst excuse _EVER_ |
| 16:03.47 | hyperChipmunk | weak |
| 16:03.51 | hyperChipmunk | that's the best music |
| 16:03.55 | Fisker- | "Hey we won't put in stuff because we don't want to overload your puny computers with DATA" |
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| 16:03.58 | Kerafyrm | i havn't had music on in a year? |
| 16:03.58 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Kody-] by ChanServ |
| 16:04.51 | hyperChipmunk | Knaledge: same here, but when i learned there was brewfest music, I went and extracted it from the patch mpq |
| 16:05.25 | Kerafyrm | that good? |
| 16:05.56 | hyperChipmunk | it's awesome; unfortunately, there's speech and stuff interlaced |
| 16:06.08 | Kerafyrm | bleh |
| 16:06.11 | Kerafyrm | i'll hafta go pull it out |
| 16:06.12 | hyperChipmunk | dorfs/goblins telling jokes and carousing |
| 16:06.13 | Kerafyrm | have a listen |
| 16:06.36 | Kerafyrm | still trying to figure out this oddity with the ptr |
| 16:06.40 | hyperChipmunk | it's not in the patch-2; they put it in the patch before the newest one |
| 16:06.46 | SunTsu | The sounds were the reason I didn't get a ram. I couldn't stand them |
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| 16:06.58 | Kerafyrm | kk |
| 16:06.59 | Kerafyrm | thanks |
| 16:07.15 | hyperChipmunk | really wish they'd included a 'concert' version |
| 16:07.21 | Fisker- | Blizzard were the reason i didn't get a tankard in BRD |
| 16:07.31 | Fisker- | Disabled the Dark Iron event without any reason :< |
| 16:08.07 | hyperChipmunk | ofc, i'm a bit biased, because I'm a tuba player irl |
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| 16:08.32 | Kerafyrm | i'm somewhat surprised they don't offer mp3's for purchase on some blizzard store of all the insturmental works |
| 16:08.48 | hyperChipmunk | Kerafyrm: it came w/ the collectors' edition |
| 16:08.57 | Kerafyrm | beyond wow thou |
| 16:09.02 | Kerafyrm | all blizz games |
| 16:09.04 | hyperChipmunk | yeah |
| 16:09.11 | hyperChipmunk | i just extract from mpqs |
| 16:09.26 | hyperChipmunk | but they'd make some easy $$ |
| 16:09.42 | Kerafyrm | not that they don't already make enough |
| 16:09.47 | Kerafyrm | just help pad their bottom line some more |
| 16:09.50 | hyperChipmunk | no, but more is better |
| 16:10.10 | hyperChipmunk | they did have that flash music player iirc awhile back |
| 16:10.28 | Kerafyrm | never saw that myself |
| 16:10.32 | Kerafyrm | but i did hear about it |
| 16:10.42 | hyperChipmunk | i don't know all what music that had, because there was no linux flash 7 plugin |
| 16:11.25 | Kerafyrm | Anyone by chance know the xperl author, Zeksie? |
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| 16:22.46 | Firelemming | hi all |
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| 16:23.23 | Firelemming | o.O |
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| 16:28.14 | Somani | any geraman speaking lua-coder in here? |
| 16:28.20 | Somani | german* |
| 16:28.30 | nekoh | yea |
| 16:28.40 | baer_ | yep. |
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| 16:29.40 | Somani | Puh, endlich ;) Englisch liegt mir leider nicht besonders... Ich bräuchte Hilfe bei der erweiterung/Anpassung eines bestehnden AddOns. Dabei sollen lediglich vorhandene Daten in einer anderen Form/Format ausgegeben werden. Wer kann mir da ein wenig unter die Schultern greifen? (Notfalls ist auch eine kleine Entschädigung für den Aufwand drin ;)) |
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| 16:33.25 | Somani | nekoh baer_ ... ? :D |
| 16:33.36 | baer_ | sorry. |
| 16:33.40 | baer_ | kein thema. |
| 16:33.47 | baer_ | um was geht es denn genau? |
| 16:34.01 | CIA-12 | 03pettigrow * r52395 10BigWigs/ZulAman/ (Halazzi.lua Malacrass.lua Zul'jin.lua): BigWigs: ZulAman: frFR Update |
| 16:34.22 | Somani | darf ich n query öffnen? |
| 16:34.30 | baer_ | tu das. |
| 16:36.36 | Killmore | me not understand |
| 16:36.54 | Killmore | :( |
| 16:36.57 | I_D | SCHNELL FRAU! |
| 16:37.01 | |Stan| | lol |
| 16:37.08 | I_D | AUFMACHEN! |
| 16:37.21 | I_D | etc |
| 16:37.28 | Killmore | I_D: teach me some scary words !!! :P |
| 16:37.39 | SunTsu | .o0( *note down* Speaking german will scare Ellipsis - that may come in handy ) |
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| 16:38.26 | I_D | Killmore: I'm not german, get a Rammstein cd :p |
| 16:38.54 | Killmore | du, du hast ! |
| 16:38.55 | |Stan| | Killmore: Baum! |
| 16:39.08 | SunTsu | |Stan|: *lol* |
| 16:39.12 | I_D | only languages I speak are dutch, french, english, japanese and l33tsp34k |
| 16:39.33 | Killmore | I_D: tu parle francais ? |
| 16:39.37 | I_D | I understand german though |
| 16:39.46 | |Stan| | I_D: ach echt? |
| 16:39.53 | I_D | Killmore: oui, pourquoi? 't es francophone? |
| 16:40.03 | I_D | |Stan|: ja |
| 16:40.05 | Killmore | I_D: oui, je viens de montreal,quebec et toi ? |
| 16:40.16 | I_D | belgique |
| 16:40.38 | I_D | mais je suis pas francophone moi-meme |
| 16:40.59 | kadrahil | ... |
| 16:41.09 | Killmore | I_D: ok ok |
| 16:41.13 | I_D | time to brush up on your languages kadrahil |
| 16:41.16 | I_D | ;) |
| 16:41.25 | kadrahil | it's been about 8 years since i've taken french |
| 16:41.56 | kadrahil | has anyone rolled a priest as their first toon on an alt server? |
| 16:42.02 | kadrahil | well, on any server |
| 16:42.26 | kadrahil | just curious if it's possible to level with enchanting/tailoring and have enough for your mount at 40 |
| 16:42.51 | CIA-12 | 03cncfanatics * r52396 10FlexBar2/ (3 files in 3 dirs): FlexBar2: Macro's are now indexed by macro name |
| 16:43.19 | buu | kadrahil: If you never spend money on your professions, probably. |
| 16:43.34 | kadrahil | buu: yeah that's assumed |
| 16:43.50 | kadrahil | i'm rerolling an alliance priest on korgath |
| 16:46.39 | CIA-12 | 03jerry 072.3 * r52397 10Talented/Talented/ (Locales/enUS.lua core.lua talents.lua viewmode.lua): |
| 16:46.39 | CIA-12 | Talented: (2.3 branch) |
| 16:46.39 | CIA-12 | _ Hook Blizzard_InspectUI to show the Talented frame when inspecting talents.lua |
| 16:46.39 | CIA-12 | _ Inspected talents trees are kept around, at least for the session, but there's no UI to view them, yet. |
| 16:46.44 | baer_ | is there any way to get data from wow into some textfile? |
| 16:47.11 | hyperChipmunk | only if the textfile is your SavedVariables file |
| 16:47.41 | baer_ | ok, i guessed so, thanks. |
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| 16:49.46 | cncfanatics | des francophones ? :o |
| 16:50.15 | I_D | don't look at me |
| 16:50.25 | I_D | I speak french, but it's not my language |
| 16:52.26 | Killmore | cncfanatics: je le suis.. mais du quebec |
| 16:52.42 | cncfanatics | Killmore , je viens de lille, france :) |
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| 16:52.52 | CIA-12 | Cartographer_Routes: |
| 16:52.52 | CIA-12 | - Fixed bug where minimap routes were not drawn on a zone with a localized name (thanks filion for reporting) |
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| 16:58.28 | [W]LANFiRE | why when i changing background alpha in grid it changes background gradient alpha instead? grid and libs - latest |
| 16:58.36 | Hjalte | cncfanatics: Any reason why the blue border coloring is much harder to see than the yellow in Flexbar2? |
| 16:58.58 | cncfanatics | Hjalte, no idea |
| 16:59.34 | Hjalte | cncfanatics: Do you experience the same or is it just me? |
| 17:04.12 | cncfanatics | cycircled negates that anyway |
| 17:04.15 | cncfanatics | it could be without it |
| 17:06.09 | Azure | mhm... i just heard that an output of vars to text windows will be no longer possible in 2.3.. is that true? |
| 17:06.30 | Hjalte | cncfanatics: With cycircled, I don't see the border colours at all, but I like them, so i've turned off cycircled. It just annoys me now, that the yellow (my buffs) is much stronger than the blue (target buffs) |
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| 17:07.02 | cncfanatics | the cycircled gloss skin can show the |
| 17:07.04 | cncfanatics | them* |
| 17:07.39 | cncfanatics | Hjalte, u cld try messing with the RGB values |
| 17:07.44 | cncfanatics | in highlighting.lua |
| 17:07.50 | MoonWolf | ~lazyness |
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| 17:09.38 | hyperChipmunk | /whois Kaelten |
| 17:09.43 | hyperChipmunk | mis |
| 17:09.47 | Kaelten | lol |
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| 17:15.32 | Kerafyrm | Least he's not trying to finger ya.. lol |
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| 17:20.21 | buu | Is there a tutorial someplace about creating common UI elements, like buttons and input fields, things that are typically used in, say, rock's config menu? |
| 17:23.22 | Ellipsis | it's pretty much just a matter of inheriting from the Blizz templates I think |
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| 17:24.47 | buu | Actually, it occurs to me that that I actually just want to modify the config screen. |
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| 17:26.29 | buu | What is the name of that config library thing everyone uses? |
| 17:26.41 | kadrahil | librockconfig? |
| 17:27.31 | buu | Where would I find documentation? |
| 17:28.52 | buu | And um, that sound Rock specific. I'm looking at Assessment, I didn't think it used Rock, but I can access its menu through the /rock thingy. |
| 17:29.10 | kadrahil | i'm not exactly sure, i'm not an addon coder |
| 17:29.32 | Pkekyo | anyone know how I can config petbar settings? (using bartender) |
| 17:29.41 | Ellipsis | buu, any addon with an Ace options table registered will be shown in RockConfig as well |
| 17:30.06 | CIA-12 | 03hyperactiveChipmunk 07Alpha * r52400 10Ace3/AceTab-3.0/AceTab-3.0.lua: |
| 17:30.06 | CIA-12 | AceTab-3.0: |
| 17:30.06 | CIA-12 | - Cycling from the same position as the last cycle now no longer uses the old cycle |
| 17:30.06 | CIA-12 | - Frame fields are all now prefixed with at3 |
| 17:30.06 | CIA-12 | - The greatest common beginning substring is matched instead of greatest common substring |
| 17:30.07 | CIA-12 | - Infinite loop fixed |
| 17:30.39 | hyperChipmunk | >8D |
| 17:30.55 | *** join/#wowace Josh_Borke (n=jk275@WoWUIDev/WoWInterface/LegoBlock/joshborke) |
| 17:31.15 | Ellipsis | but infinite loops are fun! |
| 17:31.26 | Ellipsis | ...well, they are in Portal at least |
| 17:31.29 | Paene | lol |
| 17:31.30 | buu | Ellipsis: So where can I find documentation about this format? |
| 17:31.40 | Paene | my roommate is playing Portal atm |
| 17:31.54 | Ellipsis | buu: somewhere on the wiki |
| 17:36.46 | Ellipsis | I_D, I see what you mean about the swetards now :P |
| 17:37.00 | Xelopheris | Portal is too addictive |
| 17:37.06 | Ellipsis | yarly |
| 17:37.15 | Xelopheris | two more challenges before I'm done with it |
| 17:37.33 | Ellipsis | I still haven't played the challenges...too lazy XD |
| 17:38.40 | Xelopheris | but on a more pressing issue... I have a macro that has /cast [target=mouseover,help] Innervate; [target=mouseover,harm,stance:1] Feral Charge; [target=mosueover,harm,nostance] Dire Bear Form (newline) /cancelform [nostance:1,stance] <<-- Bound to mouse5 and alt+1. It works on unit frames with Alt+1 but not mouse5. Works on hovering over 3d units fine with both buttons |
| 17:38.45 | I_D | Ellipsis: my server is infested with them |
| 17:38.52 | Xelopheris | .. .I'm surprised I fit that all in one line |
| 17:39.43 | Ellipsis | sounds like a problem with your unit frames Xelopheris |
| 17:40.48 | Xelopheris | pitbull |
| 17:40.55 | Xelopheris | and grid |
| 17:40.58 | Xelopheris | and blizzard |
| 17:41.08 | Arrowmaster | ./cancelform [nostance:1,stance] |
| 17:41.09 | Ellipsis | I_D: "vafan är 'Ditch Digger'...?!" |
| 17:41.11 | Arrowmaster | that looks odd |
| 17:41.16 | Bruners | is there some kind of wierd threat issue when fighting Carpenarian? |
| 17:41.18 | *** join/#wowace lolinternet (i=bitch2k@85.127.118.21) |
| 17:41.44 | Xelopheris | That cancels cat, seal, tree, flight, anything but bear |
| 17:41.50 | Xelopheris | I have to be in stance but not in stance 1 |
| 17:41.55 | Bruners | Omen seem to show the threat all wrong |
| 17:42.08 | *** join/#wowace kaiden (n=kaiden@c-71-197-188-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 17:42.11 | Xelopheris | Capernian is the warlock tank one, right? |
| 17:42.16 | Bruners | yep |
| 17:42.23 | Xelopheris | Make sure your MD hunter has threat 1.0 |
| 17:42.49 | Bruners | that can me the issue? |
| 17:43.09 | Xelopheris | I've seen huge errors in omen when any MD-ing hunter doesn't have threat1.0 install |
| 17:43.57 | CIA-12 | 03hyperactiveChipmunk 07Alpha * r52401 10Ace3/AceTab-3.0/AceTab-3.0.lua: |
| 17:43.57 | CIA-12 | AceTab-3.0: |
| 17:43.57 | CIA-12 | - Same-position cycle weirdness is back. >8\ Fix doesn't work with special characters. |
| 17:44.32 | CIA-12 | 03ackis * r52402 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2.lua: |
| 17:44.32 | CIA-12 | Babble-2.2: |
| 17:44.32 | CIA-12 | - Added Poisons to zhCN (copy from Babble-Spell-2.2) to maintain consistency |
| 17:45.19 | *** join/#wowace Ackis (n=blah@S0106000ea64881e9.ed.shawcable.net) |
| 17:45.27 | I_D | Ellipsis: idk what you just said |
| 17:45.31 | I_D | don't speak swedish |
| 17:45.34 | Ellipsis | oh |
| 17:45.45 | Ellipsis | they're talking about the "Ditch Digger" NPC in Darnassus |
| 17:45.52 | I_D | I usually do as they do, and ask "swe?" |
| 17:45.52 | Ackis | the only swedish i know I learnt from the muppets: bork bork bork |
| 17:45.56 | Ellipsis | heh |
| 17:45.59 | I_D | whoever says "yar" => ignore |
| 17:46.01 | *** join/#wowace Higdur (n=nike@81-229-136-48-o1124.telia.com) |
| 17:46.02 | I_D | and leave party :D |
| 17:46.05 | Ellipsis | meanie |
| 17:46.07 | Xelopheris | My limit of dutch: je moeder est un lekker ding |
| 17:46.13 | Ellipsis | I like swedish people |
| 17:46.16 | Ellipsis | and norwegians |
| 17:46.18 | I_D | Xelopheris: wrong spelling |
| 17:46.18 | Xelopheris | I just know how to say "you're mother's a whore" in about 20 languages |
| 17:46.19 | Ellipsis | because at least I can understand them |
| 17:46.22 | Xelopheris | really? |
| 17:46.24 | Ellipsis | not like scary german/dutch/etc. |
| 17:46.30 | I_D | and that doesn't mean what you think it does |
| 17:46.37 | Arrowmaster | I_D: you must not do many instances on talk like a pirate day |
| 17:46.38 | Xelopheris | it means "your mother is a play thing" |
| 17:46.39 | Xelopheris | doesn't it? |
| 17:46.42 | Bruners | Xelopheris: when you said that, i recall that when i did MD pull the threath was showing correct, then when the other hunter MD'ed the threath was screwed |
| 17:46.56 | I_D | Xelopheris: no |
| 17:46.59 | I_D | brb maulgar |
| 17:47.09 | blay | anyone happen to know how to show all loot rolls in chat, not just winner? |
| 17:47.18 | Xelopheris | it's in the interface options |
| 17:47.18 | Ellipsis | blay: Interface Options |
| 17:47.20 | Arrowmaster | its in interface options |
| 17:47.25 | blay | ty ty |
| 17:47.31 | Ackis | Xelopheris: please teach me how to say that in brazillian |
| 17:47.34 | Xelopheris | advanced > chat > detailed loot information |
| 17:47.37 | Xelopheris | no clue in brazillian |
| 17:47.47 | Ackis | darn |
| 17:47.52 | Ellipsis | korean? |
| 17:47.52 | Ackis | my server is infested with them :( |
| 17:47.58 | Xelopheris | nope.. mostly european languages |
| 17:48.05 | Ellipsis | lame :P |
| 17:48.06 | Xelopheris | and my guildy to reference for that isn't on |
| 17:48.13 | Ackis | isn't european = english |
| 17:48.17 | Ackis | *hides* |
| 17:48.26 | I_D | Ackis: normally it is |
| 17:48.32 | I_D | but swe's just say fuck that |
| 17:48.40 | I_D | they speak swedish wherever they go |
| 17:48.54 | Ellipsis | they can get away with it |
| 17:48.58 | I_D | basicly cause they're too stupid to learn english, and blizzard is too lame to give them their own servers |
| 17:48.59 | Ellipsis | 'cause there's so many of 'em |
| 17:49.04 | I_D | yeah |
| 17:49.21 | ag` | Does anyone have experience with moonkin druids in raids? |
| 17:49.23 | Ackis | i don't think i'm racist at all, but asians annoy me so much when they're in a group, speaking their asian speak and when you walk by they just all start laughing/giggling or something |
| 17:49.46 | I_D | tbh asians have always been very respectfull and polite when I meet em |
| 17:49.49 | Ackis | i just want to be laughed at in a language i can understand :( |
| 17:49.59 | I_D | but that's cause I usually hang with japs, and speak their language |
| 17:50.12 | I_D | they have a huge respect for whoever tries to communicate with thel |
| 17:50.15 | I_D | *them |
| 17:50.39 | *** join/#wowace revv (n=Miranda@205.174.172.199) |
| 17:50.59 | Ackis | I_D, that seems right... i said ni hao to this farmer i was buying stuff from just to be nice and they seemed to want to be my friend forever |
| 17:51.21 | I_D | that's just called customer relations Ackis |
| 17:51.25 | I_D | not friendship |
| 17:51.25 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 17:51.27 | Ackis | lol |
| 17:51.31 | I_D | learn to make the distinction ;) |
| 17:51.44 | Ackis | well, it *was* only gold I was buying :P |
| 17:52.28 | Ackis | man i'm zingy today... amazing what sleep does for your mind |
| 17:52.32 | Ackis | too bad i slept in for work |
| 17:52.50 | Ackis | guild said i was just babbling nonsense last night |
| 17:53.03 | Ellipsis | heh |
| 17:53.04 | Ackis | but i was #1 on healing metres lol |
| 17:53.18 | Ellipsis | you were prolly spamming some random warlock |
| 17:53.19 | Ellipsis | :P |
| 17:53.23 | Ackis | lol |
| 17:53.44 | Ackis | i only did that back at 60 on "drunk MC night"\ |
| 17:54.03 | Ackis | 30 people, 1 MC, 20 of them drunk including all the tanks and healers = win |
| 17:54.30 | Ellipsis | sweet |
| 17:54.34 | I_D | sigh |
| 17:54.41 | I_D | newbie mage tanking krosh = hahahah |
| 17:54.54 | I_D | "ok, so I'll just go stand right next to him" |
| 17:55.28 | Bruners | Xelopheris: but why would that issue be only on that boss? |
| 17:55.28 | Azure | scorch, scorch, scorch, scorch, scorch, scorch, spellsteal, repeat.. |
| 17:55.33 | I_D | thank god for intervene and sprinting rogues to intervene on |
| 17:56.14 | Xelopheris | Because you only notice it there |
| 17:56.22 | Pkekyo | fucksake! lost my win xp disc! |
| 17:56.25 | Ackis | zhCN = simplified chinese right? |
| 17:57.21 | Ellipsis | just go download another, Pkekyo :P |
| 17:57.42 | *** join/#wowace NightHawkTheSan1 (n=duaiwe@216-160-121-19.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 17:57.46 | Pkekyo | Ellipsis: ofcourse,but I kinda need it -now- :p |
| 17:57.58 | Ellipsis | you can borrow mine! :P |
| 17:58.15 | Pkekyo | sweet, just chuck it over |
| 17:58.39 | Ackis | *gets images of a throwing star in CD form flying at your head* |
| 17:59.07 | Pkekyo | no worries, I'm good at catching sharp objects in mid-air :) |
| 17:59.10 | *** join/#wowace Telrin (n=test@shandalar.xs4all.nl) |
| 17:59.31 | Ackis | lol mad max beyond thunderdome |
| 17:59.38 | Ackis | i wonder if anyone will get my ref... |
| 17:59.48 | Pkekyo | most likely not? |
| 18:00.03 | Ackis | guy tried to catch sharp object in the air and lost all his fingers |
| 18:00.08 | Ackis | am i too old to be playing wow? |
| 18:00.27 | *** join/#wowace ckknight (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 18:00.27 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 18:00.28 | Pkekyo | nah, I just get knives stuck in my palm and stuff...nothing fancy like losing all my fingers |
| 18:00.37 | Ellipsis | it's not your fault |
| 18:00.40 | Kerafyrm | morning ck |
| 18:01.09 | Pkekyo | ckknight: any way to disable rock config when right-click on fubar? |
| 18:01.14 | ckknight | hey |
| 18:01.38 | Ackis | but on a side note, if anyone here can speak znCH for me, i'll give you some e-hugs... |
| 18:02.10 | I_D | [20:01] <Ackis> am i too old to be playing wow? |
| 18:02.17 | Pkekyo | I predicted 20 years ago that e-hugs would become hard currency online! |
| 18:02.21 | I_D | you're not, but mad max series is sort of like cult, not really mainstream |
| 18:03.01 | Pkekyo | I'm off, laters all |
| 18:03.23 | Ackis | i guess i'm just odd |
| 18:03.32 | Ackis | actually weird |
| 18:04.12 | Ackis | apparently someone was asking my guild leader about my staff (apostle of argus) and then he goes something like "i hear that ackis guy is a bit strange"... all my guild leader said was "you only know half the story" |
| 18:04.21 | Ackis | i didn't know if i was to laugh or cry |
| 18:05.07 | [gk]Hotphoenix | thats about normal for most people playing wow though |
| 18:05.25 | [gk]Hotphoenix | if you can find anyone thats normal you'ld be lucky ;p |
| 18:05.28 | Ackis | touche |
| 18:05.46 | Ackis | pretend that e has the funny thing above it |
| 18:07.04 | kenlyric | "funny thing" |
| 18:07.08 | kenlyric | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.27 | Ackis | wouldn't /headsmack be better? |
| 18:07.45 | kenlyric | no |
| 18:07.54 | kenlyric | because I hit my face with the palm of my hand. |
| 18:07.56 | *** join/#wowace lyly (n=kvirc@85-218-15-231.dclient.lsne.ch) |
| 18:08.04 | kenlyric | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.26 | Ackis | ahh i was thinking hitting desk with face |
| 18:08.29 | kenlyric | it's more accurately /foreheadpalm, but that doesn't roll out of the keyboard. |
| 18:08.32 | RaydenUni | !help |
| 18:09.02 | Ackis | ohh i had my frFR localization open I could've C&Ped the e |
| 18:09.12 | Ackis | è |
| 18:09.44 | RaydenUni | !fc us destromath raydenuni |
| 18:09.45 | ThraeBot | RaydenUni: Raydenuni, Level 70 Priest (13/2/46). 7541 HP; 7755 Mana; +2.3% spell hit; +115 spell crit rating; 587 +shadow. |
| 18:09.56 | RaydenUni | does 380dps sound reasonable for that? pre heroics gear |
| 18:12.10 | Gagorian | Sounds a bit low |
| 18:12.27 | *** join/#wowace NightHawkAtWork (n=duaiwe@static-71-121-241-67.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 18:12.32 | Ackis | my priest has around 950 shadow damage in karaish gear... just offspecced stuff no one wants |
| 18:12.41 | Ackis | you'd be better going frozen shadoweave |
| 18:12.47 | Ackis | if you're serious about dpsing |
| 18:12.56 | Ellipsis | 380 sounds weak for any dps class x.X |
| 18:14.13 | Ackis | !help |
| 18:14.16 | *** join/#wowace Kilroo (n=Kilroo@cpe-071-076-173-175.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 18:14.47 | Gagorian | I did 700 dps at level 60 with 700 shadow damage (warlock) |
| 18:15.04 | Gagorian | well fully buffed |
| 18:15.12 | RaydenUni | i have the frozen shadoweave set |
| 18:15.39 | RaydenUni | http://wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Destromath&n=Raydenuni |
| 18:16.42 | Ackis | ThraeBot is my new friend, it talks back to me |
| 18:16.55 | kenlyric | Îôèñû áåç ïîñðåäÃèêîâ |
| 18:17.15 | kenlyric | I don't get why a spam would have that subject line. |
| 18:17.15 | Hjalte | Antiarc, Omen is on the frontpage of Curse but it seems you haven't submitted any short description. Tsk tsk :P |
| 18:17.20 | *** join/#wowace mandrill_ (i=sintflut@dslb-088-078-002-067.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:17.21 | kenlyric | do they want me to open it? |
| 18:18.22 | RaydenUni | it wasn't written in english? |
| 18:18.46 | kenlyric | the message was. |
| 18:18.50 | kenlyric | "And befriend the dark side of her steam engine." |
| 18:18.56 | kenlyric | which is just awesome |
| 18:19.50 | Ellipsis | RaydenUni, you've gotta be doing it wrong |
| 18:20.20 | Ellipsis | I don't have a ton more +shadow, and I can do twice your dps x.x |
| 18:20.27 | RaydenUni | if i'm to believe Recount, i'm hitting 700dps momentarily |
| 18:20.36 | RaydenUni | but the average it gives is 380 |
| 18:20.41 | CIA-12 | 03andryk * r52403 10FuBar_AbramsFu/ (FuBar_AbramsFu.toc embeds.xml): |
| 18:20.41 | CIA-12 | FuBar_AbramsFu: |
| 18:20.42 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.42 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.42 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.42 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.52 | *** join/#wowace ckknight (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 18:20.52 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 18:20.54 | Ellipsis | and why on earth didn't you finish socketing your FSW? |
| 18:21.08 | RaydenUni | i just finished the set |
| 18:21.24 | kenlyric | so? |
| 18:21.33 | *** join/#wowace nime (n=rdm@85-18-136-92.fastres.net) |
| 18:21.36 | kenlyric | no gear should ever go into the armory without a gem. |
| 18:21.40 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 18:21.41 | kenlyric | it's an abomination. |
| 18:21.54 | RaydenUni | oh yeah |
| 18:21.57 | RaydenUni | i need to respec too |
| 18:22.00 | kenlyric | if you're very, very poor, get those vendor white gems. |
| 18:22.02 | RaydenUni | but only slight improvements |
| 18:22.03 | Ellipsis | also, you have a lot of spell crit x.x |
| 18:22.43 | kenlyric | you get a lot of crit gear with levelling stuff. |
| 18:22.53 | kenlyric | especially the level 70 pre instance stuff. |
| 18:22.58 | RaydenUni | i havent' done any heroics |
| 18:23.12 | RaydenUni | so shadow's embrace, a couple gear from dungeons and the rest from quests |
| 18:23.16 | buu | Zowie. |
| 18:23.40 | Azure | erm... 587 Shadowdmg at lvl 70? |
| 18:23.52 | kenlyric | RaydenUni: prepare to love that impulse taser :) |
| 18:24.21 | Ellipsis | RaydenUni: I've never done a heroic and I have 722 shadow....and the stuff I want never drops x.x |
| 18:24.23 | RaydenUni | i only gotta run SL like 8 more times to get revered |
| 18:24.31 | RaydenUni | how? |
| 18:24.32 | Ellipsis | I'd easily be at 800 by now if I could get bosses to be nice to me |
| 18:24.39 | Josh_Borke | fsw |
| 18:24.39 | Ellipsis | !c us cenarius Ellipsis |
| 18:24.42 | ThraeBot | Ellipsis: Ellipsis, Level 70 Human Warlock (43/0/18). 8260 HP; 8065 Mana; 143 mana regen; 12 mp5; 11 spell crit; 58 spell hit; 543 +spell dmg; 179 frost dmg (722); 179 shadow dmg (722); 4.36% dodge;[[ TBR: 957 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yuuupd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2q7kuc ][ Updated: Wed Oct 17 14:27:19 2007 EST ]] |
| 18:24.56 | buu | HA HA |
| 18:25.17 | Ellipsis | amgz |
| 18:25.19 | Ellipsis | not mah gold |
| 18:25.52 | buu | Ellipsis: Start raiding =[ |
| 18:25.56 | Ackis | muhahhahahahah |
| 18:26.05 | Ackis | !c us gurubashi Ackis |
| 18:26.06 | ThraeBot | Ackis: Ackis, Level 70 Troll Priest (23/38/0). 10421 HP; 9990 Mana; 208 mana regen; 97 mp5; 12 spell hit; 139 +spell dmg; 1286 +heal; 5.06% dodge; 427 resilience;[[ TBR: 907 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yuo3k3 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/375lrz ][ Updated: Wed Oct 17 14:17:55 2007 EST ]] |
| 18:26.13 | Ellipsis | buu: find me a BM pug that doesn't wipe before first boss |
| 18:26.22 | buu | Ellipsis: Ask your guild? |
| 18:26.23 | kenlyric | Ellipsis: you have 100 spell damage from fel armor |
| 18:26.35 | Ellipsis | buu: guildies don't even run kara anymore |
| 18:26.37 | Ackis | nerf armory :( |
| 18:26.38 | Ellipsis | they won't help me |
| 18:26.41 | buu | Ellipsis: Haha, nice. |
| 18:26.44 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: well fine, 622 then...still |
| 18:26.49 | dodga | Ellipsis: Maybe you need to be nice to the bosses first? :P |
| 18:26.49 | kenlyric | so your spell damage isn't terribly higher than his. |
| 18:26.53 | durcyn | Ellipsis: halfway there! |
| 18:26.53 | RaydenUni | i found some excel calculator |
| 18:26.58 | RaydenUni | it says i should be doing 643 dps |
| 18:27.17 | durcyn | !c us turalyon durcyn |
| 18:27.19 | ThraeBot | durcyn: Durcyn, Level 70 Gnome Warlock (41/1/19). 9840 HP; 9145 Mana; 116 mana regen; 174 spell crit; 237 spell hit; 1045 +spell dmg; 210 shadow dmg (1255); 5.20% dodge; 10 arcane resist (+10); +33 all resists (+10 arcane);[[ TBR: 979 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/22a8xr ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2ujv5q ][ Updated: Wed Oct 17 14:29:56 2007 EST ]] |
| 18:27.33 | kenlyric | so why doesn't armory update anymore? |
| 18:27.39 | RaydenUni | it updates |
| 18:27.41 | kenlyric | i've been in my damage gear since yesterday. |
| 18:27.52 | RaydenUni | i put on my shadow robe last night and it is on there |
| 18:27.54 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: the point is my effective spell damage is 722, which is what matters when comparing actual dps meters :P |
| 18:27.58 | Ackis | !c us gurubashi phamine |
| 18:28.00 | ThraeBot | Ackis: Phamine, Level 70 Undead Warlock (0/21/40). 9939 HP; 8971 Mana; 115 mana regen; 319 spell crit; 172 spell hit; 928 +spell dmg/heal; 54 frost dmg (982); 107 shadow dmg (1035); 4.51% dodge; 18 resilience; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1526 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/24s4ay ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3778g8 ][ Updated: Wed Oct 17 14:30:37 2007 EST ]] |
| 18:28.02 | RaydenUni | ooh cool |
| 18:28.20 | RaydenUni | this spreadsheet tells me how much my dps will increase for a point of dmg, crit, and hit |
| 18:28.20 | nevcairiel | !c eu antonidas orlin |
| 18:28.21 | kenlyric | Ellipsis: no, because he gets damage from shadowform and misery and shadow vuln etc. |
| 18:28.23 | ThraeBot | nevcairiel: Orlin, Level 70 Gnome Warlock (19/42/0). 7086 HP; 7287 Mana; 130 mana regen; 84 spell crit; 22 spell hit; 591 +spell dmg; 179 frost dmg (770); 179 shadow dmg (770); 4.03% dodge; 10 arcane resist (+10); +35 all resists (+10 arcane);[[ TBR: 1089 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/23vvex ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2w8lzw ][ Updated: Wed Oct 17 14:31:00 2007 EST ]] |
| 18:28.31 | kenlyric | they just don't show up in the char frame. |
| 18:28.41 | nevcairiel | heh my stupid nup 2 days 70 warlock has more then Ellipsis, win! |
| 18:28.47 | Ellipsis | yeah but the point is.... *sigh* never freaking mind |
| 18:29.03 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel, I haytchoo =[ |
| 18:29.27 | RaydenUni | http://spriest.team-vortex.net/ <-- nifty excel spreadsheet for calculating dps |
| 18:29.27 | Ellipsis | I have run SV about 30 times without my belt dropping, and SL at least 15 for my sword |
| 18:29.32 | Ellipsis | not a single thing =[ |
| 18:29.57 | buu | Ackis: 172 hit?! |
| 18:30.00 | nevcairiel | i didnt even quest netherstorm and smv yet |
| 18:30.11 | nevcairiel | i hope for some item boosts there :) |
| 18:30.14 | RaydenUni | sword in SL? for heroics? |
| 18:30.19 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: neither :P |
| 18:30.25 | buu | RaydenUni: Horrid dreams. |
| 18:30.28 | Xelopheris | !c us dunemaul xelopheris |
| 18:30.28 | Ackis | murmur drops a nice sword |
| 18:30.29 | Ellipsis | RaydenUni: greatsword of horrid dreams off murmur |
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| 18:30.31 | ThraeBot | Xelopheris: Xelopheris, Level 70 Tauren Druid (1/46/14). 10221 HP; 5900 Mana; 113 mana regen; 17 mp5; 6796 Armour; 676 AP; 125.500 Melee DPS; 16.26% melee crit; 30 melee hit; 20 +heal; 157 defense; 31.52% dodge; 23 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 815 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2d6gft ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2nqly8 ][ Updated: Wed Oct 17 14:33:08 2007 EST ]] |
| 18:30.51 | Xelopheris | .. which frikkin gear am I logged in with those stats? |
| 18:30.58 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:31.04 | nevcairiel | click the link and find out :) |
| 18:31.06 | kenlyric | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kargath&n=Kenlyric my excellent deeeps gear. |
| 18:31.13 | Xelopheris | oh, tanking gear without motw |
| 18:31.24 | Xelopheris | was gonna say my caster form armor is 7k normally :P |
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| 18:31.48 | RaydenUni | http://wowhead.com/?item=30832 <-- Horrid Dreams better than this? |
| 18:32.14 | CIA-12 | 03ackis * r52404 10AckisRecipeList/ (6 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 18:32.14 | CIA-12 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 18:32.14 | CIA-12 | - Changed default options to have classes and specialities off |
| 18:32.14 | CIA-12 | - Changed default sort options to use skill level, and to use localized entry for it |
| 18:32.14 | CIA-12 | - Blacksmithing: - Fixed many blacksmithing localization issues in main code |
| 18:32.15 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:32.22 | buu | RaydenUni: For a warlock.. |
| 18:32.25 | Ackis | whee! DISCOVERY! Ackis has discovered how to transmute primal fire into mana. |
| 18:32.31 | Ellipsis | grats Ackis |
| 18:32.36 | nevcairiel | i got that oen too |
| 18:32.38 | nevcairiel | so crappy |
| 18:32.40 | RaydenUni | buu i'm a shadowpriest. the hit on the murmur drop seems nice, but at a hit to dmg |
| 18:32.41 | kenlyric | is that a good transmute? |
| 18:32.43 | [gk]Hotphoenix | got that one the other day, best way to waste gold^ |
| 18:32.45 | kenlyric | how about Earth to Fire |
| 18:32.48 | kenlyric | or Life to Mana! |
| 18:32.48 | RaydenUni | 39dmg is a lot |
| 18:32.49 | Balstor | ooo ackis will be rich now |
| 18:32.54 | [gk]Hotphoenix | earth to water is good |
| 18:33.07 | buu | RaydenUni: Hard for locks to use a mace. |
| 18:33.18 | Ackis | You know 173 out of 177 total recipes (97%). |
| 18:33.21 | Ellipsis | I think I might just give up on my belt though...anyone have suggestions for a good one from heroics/kara? |
| 18:33.24 | RaydenUni | yeah, i'm not a lock |
| 18:33.41 | Balstor | stock primal earth for patch 2.3 there is a leatherworking patch that is +238 armour (give or take) need a lot of primal earth |
| 18:33.46 | kenlyric | hey, my karazhan healing gear does outnumber my karazhan damage gear. |
| 18:33.50 | kenlyric | 5 piece to 4 pieces. |
| 18:33.50 | qwesto | Ellipsis, the crafted one with a nether is nice :) |
| 18:33.56 | Xelopheris | Balstor: There's a lot of primal earth in the game |
| 18:33.58 | Ellipsis | hm..name? |
| 18:33.59 | Xelopheris | mining gets too much of it |
| 18:34.05 | Balstor | belt of blasting? |
| 18:34.09 | Ellipsis | oh |
| 18:34.09 | buu | Ellipsis: Girlde of ruination. |
| 18:34.17 | buu | *Girdle |
| 18:34.44 | Ellipsis | ehh |
| 18:34.48 | Balstor | yhea i usually spend my primal earth on off-hand sharpening stones |
| 18:34.53 | RaydenUni | how much should i focus on trying to get the shadowpriest dungeon set3? |
| 18:35.01 | Ackis | now if i can just discover earth to life and shadow to water my alchemy will be completish |
| 18:35.06 | buu | RaydenUni: Are you ever going to run kara? |
| 18:35.13 | RaydenUni | my guild is starting to run it now |
| 18:35.28 | RaydenUni | 9 of them ran it sunday (without me) and downed the first boss |
| 18:35.29 | RaydenUni | :P |
| 18:35.35 | Xelopheris | erm, offhand you should be using elemental sharpening stones |
| 18:35.37 | RaydenUni | we are pretty casual |
| 18:35.37 | buu | RaydenUni: FSW + Badges + Girdle = kara |
| 18:35.43 | kenlyric | eh, don't focus on shit. Just run kara. |
| 18:36.13 | Ackis | I wonder how much gold it'd cost for me to change from aldor to scryer... |
| 18:36.23 | kenlyric | I guess I got abnormally lucky, 4 upgrades on one shadow lab run. |
| 18:36.25 | buu | To exalted? |
| 18:36.36 | RaydenUni | the biggest problem is they want to run KZ sunday nights at 9PM PST and i'm on EST and I have 8am class the next day. So I'm going to bed right when they start. |
| 18:36.37 | Xelopheris | Ackis: a lot of farming in terokkar |
| 18:36.47 | Balstor | yhea no one left on the server with that pattern and since we (blacksmiths) didn't polish blizzards brass balls our patterns are still in Molten Core |
| 18:36.48 | Xelopheris | something like 1000 mobs give or take to get to neutral/neutral |
| 18:36.54 | RaydenUni | Xelopheris wouldn't it be the other way around? |
| 18:37.03 | Ackis | I have 20k gold, so screw farming |
| 18:37.11 | Xelopheris | Rayden: elemental is 28 crit rating |
| 18:37.12 | NivFreak | jebus |
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| 18:37.26 | Xelopheris | the TBC one is 14 crit rating and some +dmg -- which would be mitigated by offhand damage penalty |
| 18:37.33 | Ackis | i'm exalted aldor so yah a lot of work to get to scryer |
| 18:37.36 | kenlyric | I can't wait until halloween |
| 18:37.47 | kenlyric | when I can finally replace my signet of the violet tower. |
| 18:38.15 | Balstor | as a engineer / blacksmith I may h8 on alchemist/enchanters a little cause blizzard sucked up to them with putting all the patterns on rep vendors |
| 18:38.18 | buu | kenlyric: What do you get at halloween? |
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| 18:38.53 | kenlyric | the caster ring |
| 18:39.00 | buu | kenlyric: You mean the one from heroic MT? |
| 18:39.07 | xyu | I've always been curious, and one of you in here can probably answer for me. What does the () mean when we type /script LeaveParty() ? |
| 18:39.10 | qwesto | buu, Headless Horseman |
| 18:39.11 | xyu | i mean why have the () |
| 18:39.17 | xyu | is there anything you can put inside the ()? |
| 18:39.22 | buu | qwesto: He just drops the MT rings.. |
| 18:39.26 | kenlyric | http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/september/headlessloot.jpg |
| 18:39.33 | Arrowmaster | xyu: its a function, the () means call LeaveParty as a function |
| 18:39.36 | Balstor | have to have the () so the parser knows it is a function |
| 18:39.44 | xyu | oh ok |
| 18:39.44 | kenlyric | in fact, if I could wear that ring 2x, they'd both be an upgrade. |
| 18:39.49 | xyu | so all functions would need a ()? |
| 18:40.00 | Balstor | yes |
| 18:40.03 | xyu | thanks |
| 18:40.15 | buu | kenlyric: So get the one from MT and the headless one? |
| 18:40.19 | Balstor | and that function takes no arguments http://www.wowwiki.com/API_LeaveParty |
| 18:40.32 | Arrowmaster | has halloween started yet? |
| 18:40.45 | kenlyric | buu: sure, possible. |
| 18:40.58 | kenlyric | but I have no reason to go to MT. |
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| 18:41.13 | buu | kenlyric: ... expept.. for the ring? |
| 18:41.16 | buu | *except |
| 18:41.18 | kenlyric | *shudder* |
| 18:41.20 | Balstor | halloween event starts 18th |
| 18:41.23 | kenlyric | doing an instance for a drop |
| 18:41.30 | Ackis | if i change default options when I update a mod will that change for the people already using it? |
| 18:41.33 | kenlyric | ask Ellipsis how that's going :) |
| 18:41.34 | buu | ... |
| 18:42.06 | Balstor | ackis not unless you overide it in some way would be my guess |
| 18:42.18 | CIA-12 | 03hyperactiveChipmunk 07Alpha * r52405 10Ace3/AceTab-3.0/AceTab-3.0.lua: |
| 18:42.18 | CIA-12 | AceTab-3.0: |
| 18:42.18 | CIA-12 | - use "[ \t\n]" instead of "%s" as fallback prematch |
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| 18:47.45 | Ackis | i ninja gquit last night and joined a joke guild and no officers are on now :( |
| 18:48.05 | Ackis | i'm now a proud member of Rainboys |
| 18:48.32 | [gk]Hotphoenix | :o |
| 18:48.41 | Ackis | lol |
| 18:48.42 | Balstor | whoooo way off topic there |
| 18:48.49 | Ackis | we have topics? |
| 18:49.51 | Balstor | only those that doesn't awaken elli psis |
| 18:50.15 | NeoTron | we ran in after official raid end last night after KT died |
| 18:50.32 | durcyn | it's a fun zone, good luck |
| 18:50.37 | NeoTron | tried once and got, controlled, to the 7th wave at which point our prot pally got owned by the 4 necromancers |
| 18:50.44 | NeoTron | prot pally makes it ez |
| 18:52.12 | kadrahil | anyone have an alliance on korgath? |
| 18:52.36 | Ackis | i wished kci remembered auction prices between sessions :( |
| 18:53.23 | CIA-12 | 03scorpion * r52406 10AutoBar/ (Locale-zhCN.lua Locale-zhTW.lua): |
| 18:53.23 | CIA-12 | AutoBar: |
| 18:53.23 | CIA-12 | - Updated localization zhTW |
| 18:53.23 | CIA-12 | - Updated localization zhCN |
| 18:54.09 | CIA-12 | 03sirow 07Sirow * r52407 10LibAvion-2.0/LibAvion-2.0/LibAvion-2.0/LibAvion-2.0.lua: |
| 18:54.09 | CIA-12 | LibAvion-2.0: (Still only my backup copy) |
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| 18:56.48 | CIA-12 | 03linsu * r52409 10BigWigs/BlackTemple/Shahraz.lua: BigWigs:updated BlackTemple Shahraz zhTW |
| 18:57.48 | Josh_Borke | what's libavion? |
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| 19:02.07 | Trell_ | !p Design: Gem Studded Band |
| 19:02.07 | ThraeBot | Trell_: Name: Design: Gem Studded Band; Vendor: 18s 75c; Deposit (24h): 11s 25c; Auction (All): 3g 36s [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
| 19:02.48 | Ackis | anyone know a mod that uses a status bar like the ones that show up in your tradeskills? |
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| 19:03.18 | buu | You mean the sort of [========|---] dealy? |
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| 19:03.47 | Ackis | no, like [=======300/375----] constant |
| 19:04.31 | Ackis | just want to see what i'm doing wrong with my code |
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| 19:07.02 | Xelopheris | anyone else find it's getting harder and harder to find a good naked chick wallpaper? |
| 19:07.14 | buu | ... |
| 19:07.29 | Ackis | I never have that problem |
| 19:08.02 | Mecdemort | wow i think my addon just crashed wow by running it out of memory |
| 19:08.04 | buu | Is there any config option that displays like, a list of options to choose that isn't a drop down? |
| 19:08.06 | CIA-12 | 03alar * r52410 10!AlarLib/AlarLib-2.0/AlarLib-2.0.lua: !AlarLib Fixed: Frames' height was not saved correctly |
| 19:08.10 | CIA-12 | 03phanx * r52411 10OnScreenHealth/OnScreenHealth.lua: |
| 19:08.10 | CIA-12 | OnScreenHealth: |
| 19:08.11 | CIA-12 | - 100% drycoded update! |
| 19:08.11 | CIA-12 | - added outside alignment option |
| 19:08.11 | CIA-12 | - fixed combo point toggle |
| 19:08.11 | CIA-12 | - various small tweaks |
| 19:08.35 | NeoTron | so with my current spec, the best necklace for me is the one from essence of souls, followed by the new haste one from ZA followed by the KT quest neck |
| 19:09.06 | kenlyric | lets's decipher which of those will be easiest to get. |
| 19:09.12 | CIA-12 | 03alar * r52412 10AlarBGHelper/AlarBGHelper.lua: AlarBGHelper "Spam all timers" button for AV Helper is back |
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| 19:09.23 | NeoTron | KT > ZA > EoS |
| 19:09.46 | kenlyric | yes, but 10 < 25. |
| 19:09.49 | NeoTron | shadow priest friend did the check too and the Karazhan is still best |
| 19:09.51 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 19:09.53 | kenlyric | so you've got more competition on the KT one. |
| 19:09.54 | NeoTron | I didn't said cheapest |
| 19:10.34 | NeoTron | KT is guaranteed but first one went for over 600 DKP |
| 19:10.45 | NeoTron | reference: most expensive item before was 765 DKP |
| 19:10.53 | NeoTron | but the 2xdefender chests on KT went for 1051 |
| 19:11.05 | kenlyric | high bidder dkp? |
| 19:11.09 | kenlyric | fun fun fun |
| 19:11.19 | NeoTron | second highest +1 bidding |
| 19:11.36 | kenlyric | equally as "fun" |
| 19:11.41 | NeoTron | I like it |
| 19:11.43 | Balstor | hmm bidding dkp suprise the classes haven't gotten together and fixed the prices |
| 19:12.02 | NeoTron | we got (up to) 515 DKP solely for Kael'thas attempts + kill |
| 19:12.49 | NeoTron | price fixing isn't as much of an issue as items only 1-2 ppl want (like a melee weapon for rogues or pally heal helmet) compared to items 10 ppl want (caster ring) |
| 19:12.53 | NeoTron | but it's all cool |
| 19:13.26 | NeoTron | still stoked we not only killed KT for the first time but also had a full TK clear in one night |
| 19:14.35 | kenlyric | guild I used to be in did a second +1 OR free roll. first dkp got to choose which. |
| 19:14.58 | NeoTron | what, highest DKP got to pick? :P |
| 19:15.05 | kenlyric | priests had to stick with the 3 fail rule. |
| 19:15.50 | kenlyric | highest dkp got to pick if they wanted to pay second place dkp +1, or pay a flat price and /roll against everyone else who had the flat price dkp. |
| 19:16.03 | NeoTron | ah |
| 19:16.09 | kenlyric | so, rogues never had any dkp and priests were rolling in it. |
| 19:16.13 | NeoTron | so chance to save DKP at the cost of losing it |
| 19:16.34 | kenlyric | yup. |
| 19:17.02 | NeoTron | seems a bit weird but whatever works |
| 19:17.15 | NeoTron | we use a two-stage bidding |
| 19:17.37 | kenlyric | the idea is to make the loot whores cry more. |
| 19:17.38 | NeoTron | stage 1 = min bid (dependant on tier) + bidding only for primary use (tank gear for tanks, dps gear for dpsers ec) |
| 19:17.49 | Ackis | i hate dkp |
| 19:17.51 | NeoTron | if no one bids, stage 2 has no minimum and is open to anyone that can use |
| 19:17.55 | Ackis | worst system ever |
| 19:18.08 | Ackis | scumbags sit on standby for 12 years, come in for 1 boss get loot |
| 19:18.13 | kenlyric | priests had it the best, because at first the eye of dvinity didn't cost any dkp. |
| 19:18.25 | Chompers | Ackis try epgp |
| 19:18.27 | NeoTron | Ackis: properly designed DKP systems prevent that from happening |
| 19:18.29 | kenlyric | Ackis: uh, no attendance minimums? |
| 19:18.33 | NeoTron | I designed ours specifically to avoid that |
| 19:18.41 | NeoTron | when on standby you earn standby DKP |
| 19:18.44 | NeoTron | this can't be used for bidding |
| 19:18.56 | Ackis | i'm not a guild leader |
| 19:18.56 | NeoTron | for every 2 raid DKP you earn, 1 standby DKP is converted to raid DKP |
| 19:19.02 | Ackis | so i just do what i'm told to do |
| 19:19.11 | NeoTron | so you have 500 standby DKP adn 100 raid DKP you only have 150 DKP available |
| 19:19.15 | Ackis | our officers are gay, leader is gay, but i get loot and like veryone for the most part |
| 19:19.30 | Ackis | and i can swear in guild chat |
| 19:19.39 | NeoTron | but yes I specifically set out to prevent that from happening |
| 19:19.46 | kenlyric | oh, see, standby is fine with me. |
| 19:20.02 | kenlyric | as long as its our idea you're on standby, not y ours. |
| 19:20.26 | kenlyric | and, you gotta test people frequently to make sure standby isn't "walk by the computer and jump every 10 minutes" |
| 19:20.27 | durcyn | there's no real point building the intelligence into the dkp system, just gremove asshats and they won't be able to cause problems |
| 19:20.45 | kenlyric | durcyn: let me get my pixie dust. |
| 19:20.57 | kenlyric | I have made RECRUITS! |
| 19:21.07 | Ellipsis | o.o |
| 19:21.08 | NeoTron | durcyn: it's automatic, and it works |
| 19:21.20 | Ellipsis | is it just me or did the pathing reagent vendor in Darnassus stop pathing? |
| 19:21.26 | durcyn | kenlyric: unless they're alliance shamans, i don't see the problem. |
| 19:21.35 | kenlyric | I remember once lamenting that we shouldn't need dkp punishments/rewards to get people to attend raids. Then I woke up. |
| 19:21.38 | NeoTron | it's not easy not fun to recruit |
| 19:21.56 | durcyn | horseshit. i refuse to raid with idiots. |
| 19:22.09 | kenlyric | eventually I came to the conclusion I'd rather just not raid than raid with jackasses. |
| 19:22.15 | kenlyric | durcyn: yeah, me too. |
| 19:23.55 | pastamancer | if someone sucks bad enough to constantly be on standby, gkick them |
| 19:24.10 | Xinhuan | sometimes you can't do that |
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| 19:24.22 | Xinhuan | beacuse they are friends of another raider that are good |
| 19:24.22 | CIA-12 | 03andryk * r52413 10FuBar_AbramsFu/FuBar_AbramsFu.toc: |
| 19:24.22 | CIA-12 | FuBar_AbramsFu: |
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| 19:24.26 | NeoTron | after you kill Kael'thas, does the flaming skull appear in shattrah immediately or after you turn the quest item in for the necklace? |
| 19:24.38 | Ellipsis | what I hate is when the idiots who do that are friends/roommates/buttbuddies with the GM or something |
| 19:24.41 | NeoTron | we have ppl I'd rather not bring in raids |
| 19:24.44 | pastamancer | how so? Either they're good enough to swap them in every now and then or they're worthless. |
| 19:24.45 | durcyn | after the turnin, neotron |
| 19:24.50 | NeoTron | but who are good enough to raid as backups if we need them |
| 19:24.55 | NeoTron | ok |
| 19:25.03 | durcyn | there's this whole long emo kael speech in shattrath when you complete the quest |
| 19:25.13 | durcyn | but i'm sure you used to long emo kael speeches |
| 19:25.35 | kenlyric | standby shouldn't be for raiders who aren't good. standby should be for class swapping/attendance buffers. |
| 19:25.48 | pastamancer | sounds like a shitty place to be: last kid picked for dodgeball. let them get their one purple a year |
| 19:25.56 | Paradox | are there any addons that can detect a string of text in any chat in wow, and then play a sound or something when it sees that text? like when someone says your name, a highlight if you will |
| 19:26.09 | durcyn | Paradox: Prat has a highlight module |
| 19:26.13 | Xelopheris | Did you know that programming a flash device that's attached via USB is retarded on windows, because if whiel testing on a sim I get an error, it locks the USB port? |
| 19:26.24 | pastamancer | kenlyric: indeed, someone shouldn't be constantly on standby |
| 19:26.53 | kenlyric | I was the last kid picked for dodgeball? /wrist |
| 19:27.03 | kenlyric | which was hilarious, because I was the fastest kid in school. |
| 19:27.37 | Xelopheris | I think you hit the S key instead of the T key there |
| 19:27.37 | Ellipsis | I was the last kid picked, but I was also the last person to get hit |
| 19:27.42 | Xelopheris | because that'd be more hilarious |
| 19:27.43 | Ellipsis | being tiny ftw |
| 19:28.10 | kenlyric | no, my fatness waited for adulthood. I was like a rocket as a kid. |
| 19:28.17 | kenlyric | all that running away... |
| 19:28.28 | kenlyric | FD FD FD! |
| 19:28.42 | Paradox | thanks durcyn |
| 19:29.24 | Paradox | I don't suppose there might also be an addon where if it sees a matching word from someone you can have it auto-whisper them something in return |
| 19:29.45 | pastamancer | Paradox: easy enough to write one |
| 19:30.49 | NeoTron | durcyn: omg yes. |
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| 19:31.00 | NeoTron | that 30s speech is so annoying the 100th time |
| 19:31.33 | NeoTron | pastamancer: ppl that never get picked don't get picked for a reason (in raids) |
| 19:31.41 | NeoTron | and if they are unhappy no one is forcing them to stick around |
| 19:32.13 | NeoTron | I was one of the fastest short distance runners in school |
| 19:32.23 | NeoTron | never had any real stamina for longer runs though |
| 19:32.52 | pastamancer | NeoTron: sure, but they should be able to get loot when they do make it in. if you don't wan them in your raids and don't want them to get loot, /gkick |
| 19:33.27 | NeoTron | they can |
| 19:33.35 | NeoTron | but not w/o raiding (well not quite true) |
| 19:33.46 | NeoTron | we also have attendance DKP that is given for being on time and at the end of the raid |
| 19:34.25 | Ackis | anyone able to take a look at: http://ace.pastey.net/75438 and tell me why the bloody status bar isn't showing up? |
| 19:34.42 | NeoTron | our ret pally has gotten a lot of loot considering how little he has been in raids |
| 19:35.45 | Xelopheris | DKP gained is based upon time at the raid for me |
| 19:36.21 | Xelopheris | AFKs penalize that. |
| 19:36.24 | Xelopheris | it works wonders |
| 19:38.53 | pastamancer | we just use straight zero-sum and solve everything else socially |
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| 19:39.28 | NeoTron | zero-sum FTL |
| 19:39.32 | pastamancer | then again, horde on my server don't have many options for 25-man raiding |
| 19:39.50 | NeoTron | every time I've seen it used, it encourages upgrades (minor) to be disenchanted |
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| 19:40.24 | pastamancer | I suppose it also helps that we're an open raiding group rather than a guild |
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| 19:40.46 | NeoTron | I've trialed in a guild that used ZS pre-BC for all instances |
| 19:41.01 | NeoTron | and where clear upgrades from AQ20 and such were disenchanted |
| 19:41.06 | NeoTron | just because they were "too expensive" |
| 19:41.16 | cncfanatics | thats silly |
| 19:41.18 | cncfanatics | make em free then |
| 19:41.26 | NeoTron | and even got a top of the line, at the time, dps caster robe frmo naxx as a trial because no main wanted it for that price |
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| 19:41.45 | NeoTron | each time someone won an item the price was reduced partially |
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| 19:42.05 | buu | NeoTron: That's awesome. |
| 19:42.10 | pastamancer | I like that idea |
| 19:42.25 | buu | NeoTron: Currently we're doing loot council, it seems to work. |
| 19:42.48 | Xelopheris | we do loot council with a DKP system hidden in the background that we use to ensure fair distribution |
| 19:43.15 | buu | Damn, I want to raid now. |
| 19:43.28 | buu | And we are actually raiding.. gruul =[ |
| 19:43.34 | buu | Useless bastard. |
| 19:43.48 | buu | Hrm, maybe I can get the cloak off HKM. |
| 19:44.06 | Ackis | wtb examples of statusbar or look at http://ace.pastey.net/75438 :D |
| 19:44.48 | buu | Ok, in rockconfig you can have "type = group" and args = { foo = { type.. } } |
| 19:44.55 | buu | What is the point of the 'foo' there? |
| 19:46.26 | Ackis | foo is like 42 |
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| 19:49.07 | buu | Ackis: Hrm? |
| 19:50.00 | Ackis | Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy reference, sorry |
| 19:50.56 | buu | I know what 42 is a reference to. |
| 19:51.00 | buu | It made no sense. |
| 19:51.59 | Ackis | meh nm |
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| 19:56.53 | NeoTron | buu: we used to do that |
| 19:57.05 | NeoTron | but looting took so long even on trivial loot |
| 19:57.10 | NeoTron | that we went to a real dkp system |
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| 19:57.54 | NeoTron | DKP bidding is speedy |
| 19:58.07 | buu | Yeah, it does take a while. |
| 19:58.07 | pastamancer | indeed |
| 19:59.38 | NeoTron | way back in the olden days |
| 19:59.48 | pastamancer | having an addon that lets you do in-game dkp lookups makes dkp bidding even faster |
| 19:59.52 | NeoTron | the primary reason two guilds I were in managed to get really fast MC runs was to speed up looting |
| 20:00.00 | NeoTron | and have ppl continue killing as loot was being divided |
| 20:00.11 | NeoTron | yeah I have that |
| 20:01.53 | SunTsu | Wow, Cartographer finally imported my MetaMap notes. A dream came true |
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| 20:30.50 | CIA-12 | 03daviesh * r52414 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/ (GeneralPvP.en.lua sets.en.lua): |
| 20:30.50 | CIA-12 | AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP: |
| 20:30.50 | CIA-12 | - ItemIDs assigned to Arena 3 sets |
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| 20:33.12 | Fin | hi |
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| 20:36.55 | snowflake | if you are bored plz visit http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=9330.0 and help me with my problem :7 thx |
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| 20:46.27 | NeoTron | if this lock spreadsheet is correct |
| 20:46.47 | NeoTron | gear upgrades have smaller impact as a felguard lock than as destruction by quite a margain |
| 20:47.09 | Paene | how come when someone in Ogrila attacks me, the guards don't attack them...but when I attack them, the guards attack me? |
| 20:47.13 | Paene | is it an exploit? |
| 20:47.20 | buu | NeoTron: It would be logical. |
| 20:47.26 | buu | Paene: Probably. |
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| 20:47.33 | NeoTron | sure |
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| 20:47.43 | NeoTron | still quite a stunning difference |
| 20:47.48 | buu | NeoTron: Really? |
| 20:47.54 | buu | NeoTron: What kind of gear upgrades? |
| 20:47.56 | NeoTron | well looking at bracers |
| 20:48.09 | buu | Paene: You can probably attack from plces like roofs or outside of the range of guards. |
| 20:48.26 | NeoTron | one bracer gives ~50 DPS with destro gives 33 DPS with felguard |
| 20:49.20 | NeoTron | just as the overall dps benefit from that item |
| 20:50.24 | chexsum | npcs need to be able to path to the player or they do nothing |
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| 20:54.51 | Ackis | wheee i got my progress bar... i win at wow |
| 20:56.35 | BankZ | progress bar? |
| 20:56.47 | cladhaire | my mom has a progress bar |
| 20:56.48 | cladhaire | no lie |
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| 20:57.21 | BankZ | what happens when she gets to 100%? |
| 20:58.12 | cladhaire | wouldn't you like to know :P |
| 20:58.33 | BankZ | thats why I asked :) |
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| 20:59.53 | CIA-12 | 03ackis * r52415 10AckisRecipeList/ (ARLLocals-enUS.lua AckisRecipeList.lua): |
| 20:59.53 | CIA-12 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 20:59.53 | CIA-12 | - GUI: Added status bar to GUI and it works, displays numbers and other neat things |
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| 21:01.58 | sb | mhh ckknight |
| 21:02.04 | sb | ptr parrot is broken :p |
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| 21:04.26 | Xinhuan | ptr parrot is working for me |
| 21:04.32 | Xinhuan | ptr cartographer is broken though |
| 21:09.55 | CIA-12 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r645 10/trunk/TourGuide/Parser.lua: TourGuide Fixing parser error, see issue #119 |
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| 21:11.49 | CIA-12 | 03kemayo * r52416 10FuBar_QuestsFu/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 21:11.49 | CIA-12 | FuBar_QuestsFu: (DRYCODE) |
| 21:11.49 | CIA-12 | -PartyNotify: Use Sink-1.0 to announce things. |
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| 21:12.05 | deadlock | hello, is there a way to increase the 'SIZE" of the text in ROCK config |
| 21:12.14 | Ellipsis | there is a scale option, deadlock |
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| 21:13.14 | zoom0001 | anyone have time for a noob question |
| 21:13.21 | deadlock | Ellipsis: Where at? |
| 21:14.07 | Firelemming | i have a question, im writing a mod that shows a frame on the screen, works nicely and all. but when i want to hide it and i do self.frame:Hide() but it doesnt work. and when i do self.frame:Show() it creates a second frame on my screen. how can i make it so that i can hide/show a specific frame. When i use the name i have given when creating the frame in the code self.frame["name"]:Hide()... |
| 21:14.08 | Firelemming | ...it doesnt work either. i probly make a stupid mistake here :P |
| 21:14.20 | Xinhuan | deadlock: choose "addon preferences" from the top left dropdown |
| 21:15.02 | buu | Hrm. |
| 21:15.12 | deadlock | Xinhuan: Uh, In rock config, i dont see anything like that |
| 21:15.13 | buu | TagCompiler. It has a CompileTag method that returns something you call .method on. |
| 21:15.20 | zoom0001 | if one was trying to get there hands on a wow items database, where would they start? similar to wowheads and the like |
| 21:15.25 | buu | Does the .method just convert the compiled tag in to the actual string? |
| 21:15.29 | Keias | hrm |
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| 21:15.38 | Xinhuan | deadlock: in the upper left corner of the window, there is a dropdown that you can select which addon you want to configure. |
| 21:15.45 | buu | zoom0001: I'd scrape the armory. |
| 21:15.52 | Xinhuan | if you don't see that, perhaps you dont have the latest versions of Rock and related addons |
| 21:15.54 | Orionshock | morning all |
| 21:16.22 | Firelemming | morning |
| 21:16.41 | Keias | Anyone know if there's an addon that tracks Buffs/Debuffs/etc like Antagonist/Chronometer do, but with using just an icon + text. As opposed to having a bar? |
| 21:17.10 | Firelemming | anybody an idea what i do wrong? |
| 21:17.17 | Ellipsis | Keias, you can do it with EBB, not sure about others |
| 21:17.39 | durcyn | Ellipsis: quartz, too, iirc. |
| 21:17.43 | Ellipsis | try setting the bar width down to 0, with any luck it won't cut off the text |
| 21:17.54 | Keias | well I don't mean like your player buffs, but like if a mage iceblocks or a pally bubbles |
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| 21:18.00 | Keias | hrm, good idea on the bar suggestion, thanks :) |
| 21:18.22 | deadlock | Xinhuan: Hmmm. It's part of mookui. I just thought Ace2 was how i'd do it...this is so confusing |
| 21:18.26 | durcyn | eh, the text is drawn by the candybar lib, that might not work. |
| 21:18.41 | Ellipsis | addons still use candybar? |
| 21:19.09 | Xinhuan | deadlock: i generally won't recommend compilations, because they are 1. customized to the author's needs and generally not your needs 2. rarely updated |
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| 21:19.37 | Xinhuan | they are convenient though |
| 21:20.03 | deadlock | I've edited this one logistics wise atleast. |
| 21:20.07 | Ellipsis | but Xinhuan, I have to work 2571824 hours a week and have 12 children and can only run a computer by powering it with a stationary bike! |
| 21:20.16 | Ellipsis | I don't have *time* for my own UI! |
| 21:20.33 | deadlock | Xinhuan: So, what addon edits the size of menus/tooltips. |
| 21:20.38 | Orionshock | Ellipsis: then you probably don't have time to play wow |
| 21:20.55 | Ellipsis | deadlock, Rock's scale option will do what you want |
| 21:21.10 | Ellipsis | open up the Rock config window with /rock |
| 21:21.25 | Ellipsis | or if it's already open, select "Addon Preferences" from the dropdown |
| 21:21.54 | Xinhuan | he's saying the dropdown doesn't exist, so my only conclusion is he is running a super outdated version |
| 21:21.56 | Xinhuan | of addons |
| 21:22.04 | Firelemming | can anybody help me with the frames bit? |
| 21:22.12 | Ellipsis | likely |
| 21:22.19 | Ellipsis | in which case clicking the minimap icon would do the trick |
| 21:23.22 | Ellipsis | Firelemming, did you try just framename:Hide()? |
| 21:23.46 | Orionshock | frame:TemptWithCandy("Snickers") |
| 21:24.15 | Ozguli` | is there some proper font mod? I'm unhappy with the blizz default |
| 21:24.21 | Ellipsis | I also highly recommend not using self.frame to point to your addon's frame, as it causes conflicts with FuBarPlugin-2.0 using the same name for the FuBar icon |
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| 21:24.28 | Orionshock | Ozguli`: ClearFont2 |
| 21:24.34 | Ozguli` | meh |
| 21:24.39 | Firelemming | hmm no, ill try that |
| 21:24.40 | Ozguli` | doens't work for some reason |
| 21:24.53 | Orionshock | then your doing something wrong |
| 21:24.58 | Orionshock | try again the right way :P |
| 21:25.07 | deadlock | what is the rock addone called |
| 21:25.12 | Ozguli` | I did it the right away afaik |
| 21:25.29 | Ozguli` | also omen has stopped working recently... |
| 21:26.12 | Orionshock | Ozguli`: errors or no complaining :P |
| 21:26.19 | Ellipsis | deadlock - what do you mean? |
| 21:26.31 | Ozguli` | errors? |
| 21:26.32 | Ozguli` | gah |
| 21:26.37 | deadlock | i'm trying to find out what version of rock i have |
| 21:26.45 | Ozguli` | just doesn't show up or respond |
| 21:26.49 | Ozguli` | give me commands |
| 21:26.55 | Ellipsis | deadlock, well, the thing is Rock isn't an addon |
| 21:27.00 | Ozguli` | couldn't find any kind of readme |
| 21:27.29 | Orionshock | unfortunately for you, most authors don't have a customer service department to complain at when things don't work... as such one must provide errors to the authors or no complaining :D |
| 21:27.34 | Ellipsis | deadlock: if you have a Rock minimap button, click that to open the config |
| 21:27.39 | Orionshock | Ozguli`: /omen |
| 21:27.51 | Ozguli` | dpesm |
| 21:27.54 | Ozguli` | bah |
| 21:27.55 | deadlock | Ellipsis: I have it open, and on the left it lists a bunch of stuff |
| 21:28.02 | Ozguli` | it's not a command |
| 21:28.03 | Ellipsis | your Rock config may have a list on the left hand side of addons, somewhere in there should be Rock (easily identifiable by its rock icon) |
| 21:28.25 | Ozguli` | gives the "type /help to get list of..." |
| 21:28.29 | I_D | reading all this technical stuff is so boring |
| 21:28.31 | Ellipsis | select that one, it should have some options (although yours may be old enough that scale is not in there) |
| 21:28.35 | deadlock | Ellipsis: Ok i found it, but the rock scale slider is all the way up. |
| 21:28.41 | Orionshock | Ozguli`: log out and make sure it's enabled |
| 21:28.44 | I_D | Ellipsis, get me an account on your server, so you can lapdance me |
| 21:28.45 | deadlock | The font when i right click a bar is still reall small |
| 21:28.45 | I_D | I'm bored |
| 21:28.45 | Ellipsis | ah, well, hm |
| 21:28.55 | Ellipsis | I_D: you need a US account? I've got several spares :P |
| 21:29.01 | I_D | sure |
| 21:29.04 | I_D | if it's on your server |
| 21:29.09 | Ellipsis | er... |
| 21:29.10 | Ozguli` | you really think I didn't try that already? |
| 21:29.10 | I_D | would be cool to check the us servers |
| 21:29.15 | deadlock | Ellipsis: like when i right click a bar sat topscorefu the font is tiny |
| 21:29.17 | Ellipsis | accounts work on all servers I_D... :P |
| 21:29.18 | Firelemming | Ellipsis: self:Hide() doesnt work and framename:Hide() doesnt work eiter |
| 21:29.22 | I_D | yeah ofc |
| 21:29.25 | Ellipsis | deadlock: oh, you mean the dropdown menu fonts? |
| 21:29.26 | Orionshock | Ozguli`: ok turn on lua errors and get bugsack & bugGrabber |
| 21:29.30 | I_D | but I mean if I can get to you on it |
| 21:29.30 | Orionshock | come back when you have something |
| 21:29.35 | Ellipsis | Firelemming, what is the frame's name? |
| 21:29.42 | I_D | if you're gonna be in outland all day and I'm on a level 1 dude :s |
| 21:29.52 | Firelemming | Ellipsis: WISM |
| 21:29.52 | Ozguli` | meh too lazy |
| 21:30.01 | Orionshock | Ozguli`: try /dump Omen.author |
| 21:30.02 | Ozguli` | I'll use some ktm or other stupid thing |
| 21:30.08 | Ellipsis | I_D: I rarely play for myself, usually if I'm online it's either to screw with my UI which I can do anywhere, or to help friends :P |
| 21:30.26 | I_D | well a lapdance would qualify as the latter |
| 21:30.36 | Ellipsis | Firelemming: and after creating the frame, WISM:Hide() and WISM:Show() don't work? does your addon happen to be called WISM as well? |
| 21:31.07 | Firelemming | Ellipsis: hmm let me give it another try, maybe i made a mistake |
| 21:31.25 | deadlock | Ellipsis: Yes that has to be it. where it has an option to enable and close and stuff when i right click say WIM or Bagfu |
| 21:31.43 | Ellipsis | yeah, there's currently no way to change those font sizes that I know of |
| 21:31.50 | Orionshock | Tekkub: yes we know.. we've known for ever and will continue to know... :P |
| 21:31.53 | Ellipsis | it was removed from ClearFont at some point IIRC |
| 21:31.58 | Ellipsis | probably tainting or somesuch |
| 21:32.01 | Tekkub | :P |
| 21:32.08 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather sethurius |
| 21:32.10 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Sethurius, Level 70 Tauren Shaman (53/8/0). 7496 HP; 8828 Mana; 183 mana regen; 84 mp5; 8977 Armour; 4.03% melee crit; 213 spell crit; 14 spell hit; 528 +spell dmg; 574 +heal; 4.03% dodge; 5.00% block; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 844 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yvsh7t ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2r57cs ][ Updated: Wed Oct 17 17:34:49 2007 EST ]] |
| 21:32.49 | Firelemming | Ellipsis: o woot, i did make a mistake. i did WISM.Hide(); instead of WISM:Hide(); nub me, ty |
| 21:33.18 | Ellipsis | hehe, glad you got it figured out ^-^ |
| 21:33.28 | deadlock | Ellipsis: Uh, how come dif compliations have it dif sizes, in screenshots and stuff? It's really small :-( |
| 21:33.38 | CIA-12 | 03gnarfoz * r52417 10BigWigs/BlackTemple/Souls.lua: BigWigs - fix Souls "zhTW", it was trying to register as another enUS locale. |
| 21:33.40 | CIA-12 | 03hodor * r52418 10FeralDebuffList/ (FeralDebuffList.toc embeds.xml libs/): FeralDebuffList: More externals now in libs |
| 21:33.49 | Xinhuan | because compilation authors usually change the addons to suit their needs |
| 21:33.52 | Gnarfoz | ^--- I wonder how those guys test what they do... |
| 21:33.54 | Xinhuan | and not yours |
| 21:34.01 | Xinhuan | they could possibly even have edited the code |
| 21:34.30 | Ellipsis | deadlock: it may be global UI scale, as well... |
| 21:36.12 | Firelemming | Ellipsis: Is there a way to detect if a frame is showing, because when i do WISM:Show() it creates a new frame? |
| 21:36.31 | Ellipsis | frame:IsShown() |
| 21:36.45 | Ellipsis | although creating a new frame is not normal behavior for the :Show() function o.O |
| 21:37.34 | Orionshock | frame names are unique iirc |
| 21:37.43 | Firelemming | i got 9 the same frames now by doing Show() 9 times :P |
| 21:37.49 | cryogen | show code |
| 21:37.56 | Ellipsis | yeah, that sounds really odd to me... |
| 21:37.58 | cryogen | you are clearly doing something wrong |
| 21:38.00 | Orionshock | cryogen: "Pasty code" |
| 21:38.16 | cryogen | that is a form of showing, yes |
| 21:38.23 | Firelemming | well im a nub with this addon coding, doing it for 3 nights now :P |
| 21:38.40 | Orionshock | Firelemming: try something simpler, like a fubar plugin |
| 21:39.03 | Orionshock | 95% of the work is allready done for you :D |
| 21:39.04 | Xinhuan | i loled, because fubar plugins are far from simple |
| 21:39.15 | Orionshock | Xinhuan: simple ones are simple |
| 21:39.26 | Orionshock | IE ; FuBar_ReportAFK |
| 21:39.28 | Orionshock | simple |
| 21:39.29 | Xinhuan | yep but doing them earns the writer no coding experience |
| 21:39.39 | Xinhuan | of how frame events work |
| 21:39.43 | deadlock | Ellipsis: http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9620/screenshot1pc7.png to show you what im talking about |
| 21:39.45 | Ellipsis | some would say that's a good thing |
| 21:40.01 | Xinhuan | i would say its a bad thing for wow addons |
| 21:40.02 | Ellipsis | deadlock: would it kill you to run at a larger resolution? :P |
| 21:40.06 | Orionshock | Xinhuan: but you are in error - it helped me alot in fact, with syntax and events, and how shit works in lua |
| 21:40.36 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan, that's like saying automatic transmissions are a bad thing because it means people drive without knowing how to shift properly :P |
| 21:40.45 | Orionshock | granted my next one was a bit more complicated |
| 21:40.47 | Xinhuan | that is exactly what i'm saying Ellipsis |
| 21:40.58 | Xinhuan | automatic transmissions ARE a bad thing |
| 21:41.03 | Xinhuan | imo |
| 21:41.40 | Xinhuan | learning how to code should always come from the basics, such as learning how the language works first, from the pil |
| 21:41.58 | Xinhuan | not from writing "simple addons" that are hidden behind layers of API like fubarplugin |
| 21:42.03 | Xinhuan | that has no relevance |
| 21:42.03 | Ellipsis | you learn basic syntax from coding a FuBar plugin just as well as you do from writing something huge |
| 21:42.15 | Ellipsis | the only thing you miss out on is Blizz's API |
| 21:42.21 | Ellipsis | which is not missing much imo |
| 21:42.25 | Shadowed | yes |
| 21:42.31 | Shadowed | clearly, not knowing how the blizzard API's work isn't a big deal |
| 21:42.41 | Ellipsis | I'm not saying that |
| 21:42.50 | Shadowed | I fully agree with Xinhuan, start simple, then move to libraries |
| 21:42.59 | Ellipsis | I'm saying that there's nothing wrong with taking it one step at a time |
| 21:43.10 | Ellipsis | hacking away at a simple FuBar plugin gets you started |
| 21:43.35 | Orionshock | mift... i started with a fubar plugin, and moved on from there... worked for me & now im an noob coder instead of an EndUser :P |
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| 21:44.22 | Shadowed | Starting on a library isn't going to make you a horrible coding, staying on one when it's not needed does |
| 21:45.02 | Shadowed | Also, anyone have an idea on why http://shadowed.pastey.net/75444 doesn't seem to work. Wiki isn't partically useful when it comes to dealing with multiple addons |
| 21:45.10 | Shadowed | yay for acecomm |
| 21:45.10 | Ellipsis | horrible coders are born that way |
| 21:45.11 | Orionshock | why am i agreeing with Shadowed ? |
| 21:45.16 | Shadowed | not really |
| 21:45.29 | Ellipsis | if you fail at basic programming principles, you will continue to do so no matter what environment you're in or how many libraries you do/don't use |
| 21:46.04 | Shadowed | a bad programmer can make it up with using more libraries to do what they don't know how to |
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| 21:46.29 | Ellipsis | yeah, and I don't think that's necessarily bad |
| 21:46.32 | Xinhuan | a bad programmer shouldn't code, lol! |
| 21:46.37 | Ellipsis | at least it gets their code one step closer to usability |
| 21:46.51 | Ellipsis | and they're not going to get any better (usually) |
| 21:46.53 | Xinhuan | alright, i'm being a bit cranky here |
| 21:47.04 | BankZ | I would think that was a sign of a good coder |
| 21:47.11 | durcyn | yes, but their code is probably something useless like a Hello Kitty skin for actionbars, and should not see the light of day to begin with. |
| 21:47.14 | BankZ | not to redo stuff thats already done |
| 21:47.21 | ckknight | BankZ: that's my thought |
| 21:47.22 | Ellipsis | oh snap durcyn :o |
| 21:47.52 | BankZ | I would think a bad programer reinvites because they want control or they just dont know better |
| 21:48.04 | Shadowed | Yes and no |
| 21:48.13 | Shadowed | reinvition isn't automatically a bad thing |
| 21:48.17 | Ellipsis | there's a fine line between reinventing the wheel and passing up a library for a good reason |
| 21:48.32 | Shadowed | bingo |
| 21:48.37 | Ellipsis | a good coder knows it, a bad coder ignores (or, at worst, reverses) it |
| 21:51.03 | Ellipsis | *crickets* |
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| 21:53.15 | Hjalte | Ellipsis: Where you working on a petbar for fb2? |
| 21:54.04 | Ellipsis | uh...maybe |
| 21:54.06 | Ellipsis | who wants to know? |
| 21:55.00 | Hjalte | Ellipsis: Me :) I'm also playing a warlock and it annoys me to have to run bartender and flexbar together :P |
| 21:55.06 | Ellipsis | ah, friend <3 |
| 21:55.26 | Ellipsis | well, I took a stab at it, but it's really slow going due to lack of documentation and just general confusion at cnc's code :P |
| 21:55.43 | ZealotOnAStick | Hjalte: why would you have to run them together? |
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| 21:55.48 | snowflake | if you are bored plz visit http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=9330.0 and help me with my problem :7 thx |
| 21:55.55 | Ellipsis | because sometimes you need access to your pet abilities? |
| 21:56.04 | nevcairiel | flexbar has no petbar module |
| 21:56.09 | Hjalte | Ellipsis: I found an addon that shows the petbar, even when Flexbar2 hides the mainbar, but it's lacking quite a few features like rotation and such. |
| 21:56.10 | nevcairiel | for some unknown reason :D |
| 21:56.33 | Ellipsis | the unknown reason is that cnc is a lazy nub who expects others to do his work for him :P |
| 21:57.24 | cryogen | yeah the unknown reason is it isnt written yet :) |
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| 21:57.39 | ZealotOnAStick | Why not just use Bongos? |
| 21:57.53 | nevcairiel | i prefer Ellipsis reasoning, sounds more like him |
| 21:58.24 | Ellipsis | I would prefer to use something that's not based on action IDs...ideally FlexBar2 because of its feature set |
| 21:58.42 | nevcairiel | why? |
| 21:58.49 | nevcairiel | the no-action-id part |
| 21:58.55 | Balstor | i think he was looking at makeing a petbar addon |
| 21:59.02 | Ellipsis | for a few reasons nevcairiel |
| 21:59.25 | cryogen | Ellipsis: i can probably help too if cnc isnt around, btw |
| 21:59.32 | cryogen | im going to do a stance bar, at some point |
| 21:59.38 | cryogen | i am far lazier than cnc however |
| 21:59.43 | Ellipsis | one is that I like being able to port my keybindings/etc. by copying SVs between chars |
| 21:59.49 | Ellipsis | cryogen: yeah, I know :P |
| 21:59.58 | Balstor | flexbar2 can do a stance bar already |
| 22:00.15 | cryogen | nah it cant |
| 22:00.31 | nevcairiel | yeah well keybinding in SV is another thing, but i dont see the relation to action ids |
| 22:00.36 | Xinhuan | except that you can already port your keybinds by copying SVs? |
| 22:00.37 | Balstor | and if you set it up right you inly need 2 buttons (no reason to show the current stance only need to show the 2 stances you want to jump to) |
| 22:00.52 | cryogen | Balstor: think druids |
| 22:00.55 | cryogen | not warriors |
| 22:00.56 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: it means I can pack up my layout and go, if I borrow a different char of the same class I don't have to remap everything |
| 22:01.02 | Xinhuan | except that you can already port your keybinds by copying SVs? |
| 22:01.11 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: ah well. ok |
| 22:01.13 | Balstor | then thats a shape bar ... |
| 22:01.14 | NeoTron | what a revelation |
| 22:01.23 | cryogen | Balstor: same think from blizzard's perspective |
| 22:01.26 | cryogen | thing* |
| 22:01.26 | Balstor | hmm let me check druids real fast |
| 22:01.32 | NeoTron | not being tricky with gems (going +12dmg straight out) the robe from vashj is the best dps robe for a destro or felguard lock |
| 22:02.00 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: see above - SVs are local, action IDs are server stored, if I borrow a friend's character or some such I like to be able to use my setup without disturbing theirs |
| 22:02.02 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: i always played with the idea to write a simple addon to store the action id setup in an SV for backup, or just for alternate layouts on alternate occasions .. :) |
| 22:02.06 | Balstor | if i think from blizzard's perspective i need a bucket |
| 22:02.20 | Xinhuan | incorrect Ellipsis |
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| 22:02.23 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: I've seen it done, but it really seems like a dumb solution to the problem :P |
| 22:02.27 | weab | talkfu is pretty shitty at supressing the blizzard minimap icon |
| 22:02.40 | Xinhuan | if your friend had the F key bounded to actionID 1, and you rebinded F to your flexbar |
| 22:02.42 | Balstor | yhea haveing the ability to switch profiles in flexbar is sweet |
| 22:02.45 | Xinhuan | then F is no longer bound to actionID 1 |
| 22:02.45 | Hjalte | Why is it that Pitbull sometimes shows negative numbers on my passive buffs like mount, soul link and the like? |
| 22:02.50 | Xinhuan | and your friend will have to rebind it |
| 22:03.01 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: it's not directly keybindings |
| 22:03.03 | Ellipsis | it's a lot of things |
| 22:03.18 | Ellipsis | for example, I have a random BT3 bar for stuff I like to have clickable on screen |
| 22:03.25 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: not using action ids for an actionbar addon is just so much overhead code, i considered it once, but the APIs are not consistent, and you have to write special code for every type of thing you can put in there.. meh! :) |
| 22:03.26 | Ellipsis | if I went back to Blizz defaults, who knows if/where that bar would end up |
| 22:03.27 | Xinhuan | yep but so far, the reasons given don't really make sense |
| 22:03.40 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: good thing I have someone to write addons for me =] |
| 22:03.42 | Xinhuan | even if theres 20 others i haven't heard ;p |
| 22:04.50 | Ellipsis | if I wasn't exhausted I might explain my logic completely :P |
| 22:05.18 | Xinhuan | yeah but keybinds is not a reason you should give ;p |
| 22:05.19 | Ellipsis | suffice it to say, I've thought through this decision as thoroughly as any other I make regarding my UI, and my reasons satisfy me =] |
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| 22:18.56 | Balstor | cryogen flexbar CAN do a druid shape bar just did it |
| 22:20.20 | Balstor | cryogen : You will find all of your stances under your feral combat tab make a group of buttons and just drag those shapes to the bar from the spellbook |
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| 22:20.45 | Ellipsis | that's not quite the same |
| 22:21.08 | Balstor | yhea it is |
| 22:21.19 | Balstor | you press the utton and you chsnge shape |
| 22:21.24 | Balstor | gahhhh!!! |
| 22:21.34 | Balstor | you press the button and you change shape |
| 22:21.42 | Ellipsis | that doesn't make it a stance bar |
| 22:21.57 | Balstor | and the best part is you can bind a key to that button |
| 22:21.59 | Ellipsis | besides, the whole idea is that the user shouldn't have to make their own |
| 22:22.13 | Ellipsis | it should set itself up, and adjust as necessary when new stances are learned/unlearned |
| 22:22.21 | Balstor | well what do you want from a stance bar, looks like a stance bar acts like a stance bar |
| 22:22.27 | hyperChipmunk | apparently you've never used flexbar in the past... |
| 22:22.51 | Balstor | actually makeing your own i like better, do you really need aquatic form on the bar? |
| 22:23.53 | Balstor | i have used flexbar for a long time and it's the same way i did my stance bar in the old days. it isn't auto creating but mehhh it works and it's flexiable |
| 22:23.56 | hyperChipmunk | i'd make it the same button as travel form and label it 'go faster' |
| 22:24.03 | hyperChipmunk | Balstor: i meant ellipsis |
| 22:24.07 | Ellipsis | hyperChipmunk, by that logic there's no point to a pet bar either...you can use macros to cast your pet abilities |
| 22:24.13 | Balstor | now a pet bar is diffrent since the pet actions aren't in the spell book |
| 22:24.19 | Ellipsis | yes they are |
| 22:24.21 | hyperChipmunk | i can drag from my pet spellbook |
| 22:24.32 | Ellipsis | Balstor, have you ever played a pet class? |
| 22:24.34 | hyperChipmunk | except the first three |
| 22:24.39 | Balstor | no macros are not equal to the pet actions and that would work for things like razorgore |
| 22:24.42 | Xinhuan | (mind control abilities) |
| 22:24.43 | hyperChipmunk | attack/follow/stay is not |
| 22:24.55 | Balstor | tonk controllers !!! |
| 22:25.05 | Ellipsis | you guys totally missed my point, thank you |
| 22:25.25 | hyperChipmunk | the point is, flexbar has ALWAYS been power-user oriented |
| 22:25.36 | Ellipsis | I am well aware of that |
| 22:25.37 | hyperChipmunk | if you want auto setup, use bongos or bartender |
| 22:25.38 | Balstor | and my lock has a lot of pet bars, so yhea a pet bar addon would have to have some autogeneration code in it |
| 22:25.40 | Ellipsis | doesn't mean it can't be user friendly |
| 22:26.10 | hyperChipmunk | user friendliness is generally provided by scripts |
| 22:26.14 | Ellipsis | Balstor ......your ignorance has stumped me. I don't even know where to begin. |
| 22:26.51 | Ellipsis | pets have their own action IDs which by default are already autoconfigured |
| 22:27.05 | Ellipsis | those also account for the attack/follow/stay commands and such |
| 22:27.31 | deadlock | Ellipsis: Sorry about that. I run in non-windowed mode, at 1024x768, and they still look small |
| 22:27.33 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 22:28.08 | Ellipsis | deadlock: I dunno, the dropdown text looked to be not much smaller than the text on your character frame, or in that chat window for that matter |
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| 22:28.33 | Balstor | I'm not disagreeing with you ellipsis on the idea of a flexbar for pet bars |
| 22:28.47 | Ellipsis | I would just increase your global UI scale or the resolution you run at, tbh |
| 22:28.53 | Balstor | on the issue of stance bars all fb needs is a command to hide stance bars |
| 22:29.24 | Balstor | and i think cncfanatics was looking at a flexbar-petbar idea |
| 22:29.35 | Ellipsis | his pet bar idea was to have me write it |
| 22:32.30 | Balstor | well i was answering cryogen's ealier stnace that you cou;dn't do stance bars for druids, and i researche it and you can just like warrior's stance buttons |
| 22:32.46 | deadlock | Ellipsis: ok thanks one more question. You know the background behine my bars on the bottom it used to be purple now there's no background. Where would i find the config for that? |
| 22:33.02 | Kemayo | weab: TalkFu does :Hide() on the minimap icon. It's certainly possible that other things re-enable it. |
| 22:33.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis |
| 22:33.31 | sag_ich_nicht | shut up. |
| 22:33.32 | sag_ich_nicht | Balstor |
| 22:33.33 | weab | Kemayo: blizzui seems to make it :show fairly regularly |
| 22:33.34 | sag_ich_nicht | shut up. |
| 22:33.35 | Ellipsis | deadlock: erm, background behind which bars? |
| 22:33.38 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: your mom |
| 22:33.55 | Balstor | ficken dis! |
| 22:34.03 | sag_ich_nicht | it's NOT a stance bar, Balstor. Ellipsis, if you want a stance bar for flexbar, go write an ADDON for it. |
| 22:34.03 | deadlock | the whole bottom sectilon would that be eebars2? |
| 22:34.09 | sag_ich_nicht | now STFU |
| 22:34.12 | Kemayo | weab: I had simpleMinimap hiding it before I wrote TalkFu. I'll appropriate its approach. |
| 22:34.21 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: you must be very very confused |
| 22:34.26 | sag_ich_nicht | yes. |
| 22:34.27 | Ellipsis | I don't want a stance bar, and cryogen's already writing it |
| 22:34.27 | Balstor | talk about grumpy |
| 22:34.33 | Ellipsis | I want a *pet* bar, and I'm writing it already |
| 22:34.39 | sag_ich_nicht | always grumpy, ALL THE TIME |
| 22:34.46 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 22:34.47 | Balstor | troof pet bar =/= stance bar |
| 22:34.47 | sag_ich_nicht | always angry |
| 22:34.49 | sag_ich_nicht | ALL THE TIME |
| 22:34.58 | weab | Kemayo: I haven't paid too close attention to what exactly causes it to show again |
| 22:35.13 | sag_ich_nicht | wanna see something funny? :X |
| 22:35.14 | weab | Kemayo: definitely on joining a group |
| 22:35.24 | Ellipsis | it's probably something completely random and stupid like leaving combat or inventory updates |
| 22:35.31 | Ellipsis | because that's how Blizz rolls |
| 22:35.55 | Balstor | and ellipsis i look forward to the pet bar my druid and warrior will be happy ( and i can drop some other addon crap) |
| 22:36.06 | Ellipsis | eh? |
| 22:36.08 | Kemayo | weab: Okay, I'll add it to my to-do list. |
| 22:36.09 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis |
| 22:36.10 | sag_ich_nicht | i repeat |
| 22:36.14 | sag_ich_nicht | wanna see something funny? |
| 22:36.28 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: only if it involves you, your mother, and a rubber chicken |
| 22:36.55 | weab | Kemayo: I'll pay closer attention to what's causing it and let you know. |
| 22:37.09 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: it's better than that |
| 22:37.14 | Ellipsis | ok |
| 22:37.15 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2043952003&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
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| 22:38.30 | sag_ich_nicht | also, someone should bump this thread probably: https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2215843387&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
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| 22:39.14 | CIA-12 | cyCircled: |
| 22:39.14 | CIA-12 | - AutoBar.delay["UpdateStyles"]:Start() |
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| 22:40.23 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: lulz |
| 22:40.40 | sag_ich_nicht | i told you it was funny :P |
| 22:44.04 | CIA-12 | 03kemayo * r52420 10InBank/InBank.toc: InBank: toc category was erroneously "Mail"; now "Inventory" |
| 22:44.17 | Trell_ | quick q |
| 22:44.46 | Trell_ | if I've got a default UI and I wanna enable cartographer and nothing else (for use with waypoints for Lightheaded) - what do I need to enable? |
| 22:45.11 | Trell_ | ive got cart and the RockLibs enabled, but it still throws a rock error |
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| 22:46.24 | Kemayo | Trell_: You need whatever lib the Rock error is complaining about |
| 22:46.29 | Gnarfoz | yeah. |
| 22:46.31 | Xinhuan | lol sag_ich_nicht: that thread proved my point that CoolDownCount taints the pet bar |
| 22:46.34 | Trell_ | yeah I'd missed a rocklib |
| 22:46.48 | Xinhuan | as such i dont use CDC |
| 22:51.15 | CIA-12 | 03ackis * r52421 10AckisRecipeList/ (ARLLocals-enGB.lua ARLLocals-enUS.lua AckisRecipeList.lua): |
| 22:51.15 | CIA-12 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 22:51.15 | CIA-12 | - Engineering: Frost Grenade -> Frost Grenades |
| 22:53.49 | CIA-12 | 03sayclub * r52422 10OnScreenHealth/Locale-koKR.lua: |
| 22:53.49 | CIA-12 | OnScreenHealth: |
| 22:53.49 | CIA-12 | - Updated localization koKR |
| 22:56.14 | sag_ich_nicht | [00:46] <Xinhuan> lol sag_ich_nicht: that thread proved my point that CoolDownCount taints the pet bar <--actually, itterate over all your addons and check for those functions |
| 22:56.23 | sag_ich_nicht | you'll find that a shitton of addons taint the petbar |
| 22:56.33 | sag_ich_nicht | and this is probably also breaking the raid tab |
| 22:56.37 | Xinhuan | actually, i use about 150 addons |
| 22:56.44 | Xinhuan | and none of them breaks the petbar |
| 22:56.47 | Xinhuan | until i install CDC |
| 22:56.53 | sag_ich_nicht | not always, you mean :P |
| 22:57.00 | Xinhuan | nope, never. |
| 22:57.12 | sag_ich_nicht | okay. |
| 22:57.19 | sag_ich_nicht | now find out why the raidtab is broken. |
| 22:57.20 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 22:57.23 | Xinhuan | i've yet to see my petbar get tainted since 2.1 or so |
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| 22:57.40 | Xinhuan | as for the raid tab, i don't know about that one yet |
| 22:57.58 | Xinhuan | its difficult because you dont know where to start lol |
| 22:58.17 | Ellipsis | I don't know why you people always get taint everywhere |
| 22:58.33 | Ellipsis | I have never had a problem with it |
| 22:58.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis. |
| 22:58.40 | sag_ich_nicht | open your raid tab in combat. |
| 22:58.49 | Ellipsis | why would I do that? |
| 22:58.54 | sag_ich_nicht | just do it. |
| 22:58.54 | Ellipsis | I don't raid and I'm rarely in combat |
| 22:58.58 | sag_ich_nicht | oic |
| 22:58.59 | sag_ich_nicht | well then nvm. |
| 22:59.21 | Xinhuan | it doesn't even have to be the raid tab |
| 22:59.26 | Xinhuan | it can be any part of the social frame |
| 22:59.39 | Ellipsis | I haven't had any problems with the social frame, pet bar, or anything else while in combat |
| 22:59.39 | Xinhuan | friends, guild list, ignore list, voicechat frame |
| 23:00.03 | Ellipsis | other than being annoyed that I can't configure some of my addons in combat because of lockdown :P |
| 23:00.06 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: doesn't happen for me |
| 23:00.11 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: only the raidtab is broken for me |
| 23:00.14 | sag_ich_nicht | and eats fps. |
| 23:00.18 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 23:00.25 | sag_ich_nicht | like a benchmark on steroids |
| 23:00.26 | Xinhuan | i get an error everytime any part of my social frame is open |
| 23:00.35 | Xinhuan | and as far as i can see, none of my addons remotely modifies it |
| 23:00.54 | Ellipsis | actually, I do get a raid UI error every once in a while, but I can't really verify that it's caused by taint |
| 23:01.09 | Ellipsis | and it's freaking impossible to reproduce consistently |
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| 23:02.53 | Xinhuan | btw when you say your raid tab is broken, sag |
| 23:02.56 | Xinhuan | how broken is it? |
| 23:03.07 | Xinhuan | mine is completely usable, as in, i can mvoe people's groups around in combat |
| 23:03.18 | sag_ich_nicht | it's random |
| 23:03.22 | sag_ich_nicht | sometimes that works |
| 23:03.24 | Xinhuan | i merely get a taint error about an addon trying to hide/show the VoiceChat button |
| 23:03.26 | sag_ich_nicht | but it still sucks the FPS to 1 |
| 23:03.34 | sag_ich_nicht | and the rightclick menu |
| 23:03.38 | sag_ich_nicht | doesn't allow setting MT/MA |
| 23:03.45 | Xinhuan | hmm sounds like you have a major taint problem then |
| 23:03.53 | sag_ich_nicht | sometimes, it's completely blank. |
| 23:03.54 | Xinhuan | and probably isn't related to mine |
| 23:06.39 | Xinhuan | hm no more brewfest |
| 23:06.47 | charon | any tanks around? what kind of reaction time would you expect to a low HP situation? |
| 23:07.11 | charon | i'm wondering if almost exactly 1.0 seconds from "low HP" to brain to trinket macro is on the high or low side |
| 23:07.33 | durcyn | low. |
| 23:07.57 | Xinhuan | you shouldn't be relying on reaction to save you, but more on your healers ;p |
| 23:08.03 | charon | well situation is this |
| 23:08.25 | charon | i was tanking tidewalker and took a crush and two normal hits in a row |
| 23:08.30 | charon | (druid, so crushes are expected) |
| 23:08.36 | charon | plus the frost attack |
| 23:08.58 | charon | that put me at like 10-15% HP and it then took me 1.5sec to notice that and fire up the druid "trinketwall" |
| 23:09.11 | charon | during this time i took another hit, which could have killed me with 30% probability, but i dodged it |
| 23:09.47 | CIA-12 | 03strange * r52423 10Furious-2.1/FuriousChat.lua: |
| 23:09.47 | CIA-12 | Furious-2.1: |
| 23:09.47 | CIA-12 | - FuriousChat.lua: prepping this file for eventual removal |
| 23:09.51 | charon | if i could manage to react to such situations in under 1sec, i.e. before the final dodged hit, i could reasonably say that the only thing that could kill me in that fight, would be 3 crushes _and_ the frost attack in a row |
| 23:10.05 | charon | which is rather unlikely seeing as i got crushed only 10% of the time, not 15% as i'd have expected |
| 23:10.10 | Xinhuan | i think it would be wiser to let a warrior to tank it, but yes, your reasoning is logical and i have no issues with it |
| 23:10.52 | charon | the warrior died twice due to crushes, and on the second try i managed to tank him in dps gear until almost all the raid was killed by murlocs, so they let me try |
| 23:10.54 | CIA-12 | 03alar * r52424 10AlarBGHelper/AlarBGHelper.lua: AlarBGHelper When Glory-2.0 was missing, the error message was not useful. Fixed |
| 23:11.09 | Xinhuan | o_O warrior dying to crushes? |
| 23:11.22 | Xinhuan | either his gear sucks, or that night was really unlucky |
| 23:11.25 | Zicon | Your warrior sucks, get a new one. ;P |
| 23:12.06 | charon | i'd say it happens every third time or so ... though on the first attempt WWS definitely nailed it on lack of skill |
| 23:12.44 | charon | but well, if 1sec reaction is rather quick, i might have to practice that or watch my HP bar more closely ;) |
| 23:13.08 | sag_ich_nicht | so stop using a damn druid for him and use a paladin. |
| 23:13.24 | charon | transfer to antonidas and i'll arrange a trial run *cough* |
| 23:13.30 | charon | none of our palas want to tank |
| 23:14.12 | sag_ich_nicht | i didn't say i want to(altho i will probably at some point respec to prot once i've seen mag and gruul die and made my set all epic as retribution :P) |
| 23:14.17 | sag_ich_nicht | -set +equip |
| 23:15.04 | Xinhuan | wanna check out the prot pally in my guild? |
| 23:15.06 | Xinhuan | he's awesome hehe |
| 23:15.56 | sag_ich_nicht | [01:11] <Xinhuan> either his gear sucks, or that night was really unlucky <--more like, tidewalker is one fast hitting motherfucker |
| 23:16.14 | Xinhuan | yep but gear with more hp can overcome then |
| 23:16.29 | Xinhuan | s/then/that/ |
| 23:16.34 | sag_ich_nicht | warriors are really sub optimal for tidewalker. |
| 23:16.59 | sag_ich_nicht | druid or paladin are way better. |
| 23:17.02 | sag_ich_nicht | and i need a video |
| 23:17.04 | NivFreak | dying to crushes as a warrior is pretty much always the warrior's failure |
| 23:17.07 | NivFreak | not his gear |
| 23:17.13 | sag_ich_nicht | NivFreak: not the warriors fault |
| 23:17.17 | sag_ich_nicht | tidewalker hits so fast |
| 23:17.22 | NivFreak | oh |
| 23:17.24 | NivFreak | is he < 2.0? |
| 23:17.28 | Xelopheris | yes |
| 23:17.29 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 23:17.31 | NivFreak | ahhh |
| 23:17.32 | NivFreak | ok |
| 23:17.32 | NivFreak | nm |
| 23:17.32 | Xinhuan | there is always a 1% chance of a crushing |
| 23:17.37 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 23:17.39 | Xelopheris | no |
| 23:17.39 | rob` | no |
| 23:17.39 | sag_ich_nicht | there isn't. |
| 23:17.42 | sag_ich_nicht | that's crit. |
| 23:17.43 | Pkekyo | negative |
| 23:17.48 | Xelopheris | not crit either |
| 23:17.49 | rob` | crit either |
| 23:18.00 | NivFreak | only bosses that have attack speeds faster than 2.0 can crush a warrior |
| 23:18.00 | Xinhuan | no? |
| 23:18.01 | rob` | I can show you wws logs with literally thousands of hits and only 1 crushing blow |
| 23:18.02 | Xelopheris | Once you have 102.4% avoidance as a war/pally, you an only block parry or dodge |
| 23:18.03 | NivFreak | unless they fail :) |
| 23:18.05 | rob` | and no crits |
| 23:18.08 | NivFreak | or melee gets a parry |
| 23:18.13 | Pkekyo | you can push it almost completely off the table (into very low-end decimals) |
| 23:18.19 | Xelopheris | a crush means he got lazy with the shield block button |
| 23:18.31 | Pkekyo | Xelopheris: I concur |
| 23:18.31 | NivFreak | not always |
| 23:18.35 | NivFreak | parry is a real concern |
| 23:18.41 | NivFreak | but for the most part, yes |
| 23:18.45 | sag_ich_nicht | Xelopheris: no, because tidewalker has < 2.0 attack speed. :P |
| 23:18.49 | rob` | there is a theoretical chance of a crit, but it's so low as to be debatably just an artifact of luck and lag, you wouldn't see it in months |
| 23:18.50 | sag_ich_nicht | charges are consumed too fast |
| 23:18.52 | Pkekyo | nine out of ten times, a crush is due to slacking with shield block |
| 23:18.53 | Xelopheris | I know. Use a druid to tank tidewalker |
| 23:19.01 | NivFreak | Pkekyo: maybe even 99 out of 100 |
| 23:19.02 | NivFreak | :) |
| 23:19.05 | sag_ich_nicht | rob`: i've seen it. like 3 times in 2 years |
| 23:19.08 | Xelopheris | Druids don't lose SB charges to EQ either |
| 23:19.13 | NivFreak | unless you have hunters that like to send their pets to the front of the boss |
| 23:19.17 | charon | you know the funny thing is, all of you are right |
| 23:19.20 | rob` | pkekyo: or, in the paladin case, that DAMNABLE lag between your holy shield going down, and the server lag until you can get it back up again |
| 23:19.21 | NivFreak | or melee DPS who don't know what a back is |
| 23:19.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Xelopheris: or use a paladin because they have way more charges. |
| 23:19.22 | sag_ich_nicht | hurrrrrrrrr |
| 23:19.25 | charon | tide hits too fast for a warrior to keep up SB _but_ |
| 23:19.27 | rob` | paladins don't have an overlapping HS :( :( |
| 23:19.31 | Garoun|Loupana | hmm can you change the starting position of the sticky messages seperate from the scroll for a given trigger? |
| 23:19.32 | Pkekyo | NivFreak: or 999 out of 1k...point is, it's usually due to SB slacking :) |
| 23:19.42 | CIA-12 | 03strange * r52425 10FuriousRaid/ (6 files): |
| 23:19.42 | CIA-12 | FuriousRaid: |
| 23:19.42 | CIA-12 | - Added code to send the database with other users (code courtesy of Malayon) |
| 23:19.42 | CIA-12 | - Added code to sort the displayed data (again courtesy of Malayon) |
| 23:19.42 | CIA-12 | - Cleaned up set code and 'monitor' procesing |
| 23:19.43 | CIA-12 | - updated embeds |
| 23:19.44 | Xinhuan | i'll take your word for it |
| 23:19.57 | charon | WWS clearly shows that the warrior in question took two crushing blows _after_ the cooldown should have been up |
| 23:19.58 | Pkekyo | rob`: ofcourse, a bad case of server lag can give you problems, but usually, it's just slackage :p |
| 23:20.04 | Xinhuan | my guild plays from australia though, 500 ms average pings for the lose |
| 23:20.05 | rob` | it's true |
| 23:20.08 | charon | in one try. the other, no idea. |
| 23:20.10 | NivFreak | I got pwned on gruul the other night, one of warriors and a hunter pet weren't behind him, and Gruul' parried both of them |
| 23:20.11 | sag_ich_nicht | rob`: paladin is lazy too if he gets a crushing, and in this case even more lazier than the warrior :P |
| 23:20.18 | NivFreak | burned right through shieldblock |
| 23:20.23 | NivFreak | that was fun |
| 23:20.47 | rob` | sag: lazy doesn't have anything to do with it - there's almost always a 50-200ms window between your holy shields, and you can get hit in that interval :( |
| 23:20.52 | NivFreak | 2.3 fixes hunter pets for parry |
| 23:20.57 | NivFreak | but melee DPS can still fail ;) |
| 23:20.58 | Xinhuan | ok i've narrowed down my source of taint to 2 addons sag_ich_nicht ^^ |
| 23:21.03 | Xinhuan | now i just need to figure out why |
| 23:21.11 | Pkekyo | I'm having really bad luck with crushings nowadays... |
| 23:21.11 | Pkekyo | I should start sleeping at night, it'll prolly improve my tanking by miles |
| 23:21.25 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: name the addons |
| 23:21.33 | Xinhuan | PlayerLinkMenu is the first |
| 23:21.38 | Xinhuan | and Xperl is the 2nd |
| 23:21.47 | Xinhuan | i've have to figure out which module in xperl is doing it |
| 23:21.49 | sag_ich_nicht | latest version of x-perl? |
| 23:21.55 | NivFreak | I think bloodrage should be spamable |
| 23:21.56 | NivFreak | :) |
| 23:22.01 | sag_ich_nicht | because it's been updated quite often in the last few days |
| 23:22.02 | Xinhuan | i updated once 1 or 2 weeks ago |
| 23:22.04 | charon | speaking of sleep, goodnight... and thanks for the "crushed tank support group" talk ;) |
| 23:22.07 | Xinhuan | not sure, i'll go update both of these addons now |
| 23:22.08 | CIA-12 | 03strange * r52426 10FuriousTask/FuriousTask.lua: |
| 23:22.08 | CIA-12 | FuriousTask: |
| 23:22.08 | CIA-12 | - removed the annoying name spam when it prints to a channel |
| 23:22.08 | Xinhuan | and see |
| 23:22.19 | Pkekyo | NivFreak: reasoning? |
| 23:22.20 | sag_ich_nicht | i go to bed now |
| 23:22.21 | sag_ich_nicht | night |
| 23:22.25 | NivFreak | Pkekyo: because it would rule |
| 23:22.28 | rob` | getting your head mashed into your pants isn't fun :( |
| 23:22.30 | NivFreak | :P |
| 23:22.45 | NivFreak | helps those big nasty avoidance streaks |
| 23:22.56 | NivFreak | where you dump your rage and don't get hit for 15 seconds |
| 23:23.13 | Pkekyo | lol |
| 23:23.33 | CIA-12 | 03strange * r52427 10FuriousWaitlist/FuriousWaitlist.lua: |
| 23:23.33 | CIA-12 | FuriousWaitlist: |
| 23:23.33 | CIA-12 | - removed the annoying name spam when it prints to a channel |
| 23:23.36 | Pkekyo | rob`: can be if you can reach your willie and give yourself a blowjob |
| 23:23.44 | rob` | hmm |
| 23:23.52 | rob` | my character is a girl |
| 23:23.54 | rob` | the angle is wrong |
| 23:23.57 | sag_ich_nicht | no. |
| 23:23.59 | sag_ich_nicht | it's possible |
| 23:24.02 | sag_ich_nicht | i've seen it happen. |
| 23:24.15 | rob` | Fair enough. |
| 23:24.15 | sag_ich_nicht | it look pretty painful to the back, tho. |
| 23:24.19 | sag_ich_nicht | *looks |
| 23:24.27 | Pkekyo | rob`: you know you've got some extent of mobility in your neck? |
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| 23:25.31 | rob` | well, not today - I strained some muscles in my upper back, and turning my head more than 20 degrees either way hurts like buggery. And I have a loose pelvic transverse, so bending over at the waist more than 45 degrees is excruciating. :D |
| 23:25.34 | rob` | but </whine> |
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| 23:25.51 | rob` | so autofellatio is out of the question, alas, today. |
| 23:26.08 | CIA-12 | 03etten * r52428 10FuBar_ArenaFu/embeds.xml: FuBar_ArenaFu - Fixed a typo in the file path for the embedded Babble-Class library which was requiring the download of Babble separately to run the mod. |
| 23:26.19 | sag_ich_nicht | guys |
| 23:26.21 | sag_ich_nicht | /topic #wowace |
| 23:26.22 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 23:26.23 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 23:26.24 | sag_ich_nicht | NIGHT |
| 23:26.28 | Zicon | rob`: You have a very ... elaborate excuse. |
| 23:27.03 | rob` | ^^ |
| 23:27.08 | Pkekyo | lmao, indeed |
| 23:27.21 | Pkekyo | I'm abit afraid to ask how you sustained such injuries |
| 23:27.47 | rob` | The first one - slept on my neck wrong the other night. The second one, trampoline accident when I was 18. |
| 23:27.56 | Balstor | I imagine it involved a parchute harness and someone very bendy |
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| 23:28.07 | Zicon | Please stop. |
| 23:28.08 | Pkekyo | rob`: I don't buy it |
| 23:28.32 | Pkekyo | sounds like you've been plotting this speech for years |
| 23:28.36 | rob` | hee hee |
| 23:29.27 | rob` | it gets better. The reason my pelvis never healed properly was three years of hard karate training, 8 hours a week. So, chronic back pain. |
| 23:29.32 | rob` | MOVING ON. |
| 23:29.39 | rob` | </tmi> |
| 23:29.40 | Pkekyo | lmao |
| 23:29.43 | Balstor | cue the timewarp song |
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| 23:32.06 | Pkekyo | fucksake, I've gotta reconfig my router every time I reboot my tower for MSTSC to work >.< |
| 23:32.30 | Pkekyo | ~pelvis |
| 23:32.46 | Pkekyo | purl, l2pelvis |
| 23:32.56 | Pkekyo | ~lart purl |
| 23:32.57 | purl | burns pkekyo to a crisp with a laser |
| 23:33.03 | Pkekyo | ouch :< |
| 23:33.37 | Pkekyo | rob`: what the flying fuck is a pelvis? |
| 23:33.53 | rob` | google knows all. |
| 23:34.15 | rob` | basically it's the bigass bone that your torso sits on and connects to your legs |
| 23:34.31 | Pkekyo | well, you ougt to know as you've bloody well ruined the thing...answering is easier than google flaming :) |
| 23:34.34 | Pkekyo | ah |
| 23:35.26 | rob` | anyway, nice sharing medical history with strangers :P take care, my work shift is OVER and I am gone. |
| 23:35.46 | Pkekyo | lol |
| 23:35.47 | Pkekyo | byes |
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| 23:37.43 | Pkekyo | ~seen ckknight |
| 23:37.46 | purl | ckknight <n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1h 50m 25s ago, saying: 'BankZ: that's my thought'. |
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| 23:50.43 | hyperChipmunk | so i'm looking at recap for the first time... |
| 23:50.56 | hyperChipmunk | clearly we need Warcraft fantasy leagues |
| 23:51.36 | JoshBorke | ... |
| 23:52.52 | chexsum | i have back pain too |
| 23:53.29 | Pkekyo | chexsum: er...congrats? |
| 23:53.33 | chexsum | ty |
| 23:54.06 | chexsum | comes from years of sitting in a computer chair :( |
| 23:58.14 | Gagorian | They put computers in chairs nowadays? |
| 23:58.21 | Gagorian | >_< |
| 23:58.24 | CIA-12 | 03kemayo * r52429 10LodWhat/ (. LodWhat.toc core.lua): |
| 23:58.24 | CIA-12 | LodWhat: |
| 23:58.24 | CIA-12 | -Initial import; drycoded; may make your mother die in a fire. |
| 23:58.24 | CIA-12 | -Lists addons that are load on demand but have not yet been loaded. |
| 23:58.24 | CIA-12 | -Intent: Work out what old lib versions you can get rid of if |
| 23:58.25 | CIA-12 | you want to. |
| 23:59.20 | Pkekyo | I'm off, laters all |
