| 00:00.10 | Grum | or 'actually gathered nodes' |
| 00:00.19 | Grum | so you could easier see what is recent or not |
| 00:00.36 | Grum | but then again .. the current structure does not really allow for that |
| 00:01.25 | Xinhuan | have you decided to release the addon? |
| 00:01.52 | Grum | not yet |
| 00:01.57 | Grum | i still believe it's a really bad idea |
| 00:02.14 | Xinhuan | it won't. ACO doesn't generate identical paths |
| 00:02.27 | Xinhuan | you'll have to see it in action to believe this heh |
| 00:02.28 | Grum | i didn't use aco to solve my tsp |
| 00:02.47 | Xinhuan | yes but a released addon will use ACO it hink |
| 00:02.47 | Grum | use something with a tad more power |
| 00:02.55 | Grum | or not feature that at all |
| 00:02.58 | Grum | could you code the aco part? |
| 00:03.01 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 00:03.10 | Grum | what would you need from me? |
| 00:03.32 | Grum | next to a released addon ofc O.o |
| 00:03.36 | Xinhuan | so you can use your own TSP solver on your end, while everyone else in the world uses ACO which works on their own data |
| 00:03.55 | Xinhuan | all i would need is an input table containing the list of X-Y coordinate pair |
| 00:04.10 | Grum | ok you have that already |
| 00:04.11 | Xinhuan | and my function can just return a table containing the order of the path |
| 00:04.38 | Xinhuan | but the input table should be pretty flexible in the sense that a user can choose what to include/exclude from the path |
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| 00:04.45 | Xinhuan | such as only felweed and ada ore and nothing else |
| 00:04.45 | Grum | http://dl.dwim.org/~ebroes/nodes.tar.gz <-- |
| 00:04.51 | Grum | that is all data from wowhead |
| 00:04.58 | Grum | that is the data which should be used |
| 00:05.07 | Xinhuan | so that UI part is what you need/want to code |
| 00:05.15 | Grum | should be doable |
| 00:05.26 | Grum | eventhough the selection will likely be 'single' at the start |
| 00:05.31 | Xinhuan | i could probably just use my own data |
| 00:05.36 | Grum | seeing >150 node TSPs take quite some time to efficiently solve |
| 00:05.38 | Grum | yeah |
| 00:05.41 | Xinhuan | all i need is the input format and output format |
| 00:05.54 | Grum | what i need to draw a line is the 'ids' in that table |
| 00:06.05 | Grum | so: { id, id, id, id } . .. nothing more :) |
| 00:06.26 | Grum | in the right order ofc |
| 00:06.27 | Xinhuan | so output table is just a list of numbers |
| 00:06.30 | Xinhuan | from 1 to N |
| 00:06.32 | Grum | yes |
| 00:06.36 | magma | jwowupdater didn't help at all =/ |
| 00:06.39 | Grum | 'encoded' X/Y into an int |
| 00:06.48 | Xinhuan | the numbering corresponds to the input table nodes? |
| 00:06.57 | Grum | see getID and getXY in the Cartographer source |
| 00:07.13 | Grum | what Cartographer does is something like: |
| 00:07.34 | Xinhuan | i prefer not to mess around with those, i just want an input table that you send in to my function -- this table is what you generate to include in the path based on user needs |
| 00:07.41 | Archarodim | magma: what happened ? |
| 00:07.49 | Grum | herbalism[zone][ getID( x, y) ] = "Nodename" (for example "Mithril Vein") |
| 00:08.08 | Grum | if you can accept a list of those 'magic' getIDs |
| 00:08.18 | Grum | and return the list ordered to the route .. that's it |
| 00:08.29 | Grum | i can directly use that list in my plotting cod |
| 00:08.29 | CIA-22 | 03ackis * r49551 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList.lua: |
| 00:08.29 | CIA-22 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 00:08.29 | CIA-22 | - Added options to filter output of scan (all options except for speciality work) |
| 00:08.29 | CIA-22 | - Data is still not 100% will be working on that in upcoming patches |
| 00:08.30 | Grum | *code |
| 00:09.03 | Grum | Ackis: you data-mining wowhead like a maniac? ;D |
| 00:09.08 | Ackis | not yet |
| 00:09.09 | Ackis | lol |
| 00:09.14 | Ackis | getting the background stuff ready for it |
| 00:09.21 | Ackis | that'll be stuff to do at work ;) |
| 00:09.34 | Grum | what are you writing the data-miner in? |
| 00:09.43 | Ackis | windows copy and paste |
| 00:09.51 | magma | Archarodim: it downloaded a ton of addons and now I'm getting way more errors =( I think just gonna delete all my addons and try again |
| 00:10.03 | Grum | Ackis: iep? |
| 00:10.07 | Xinhuan | can i have a copy of your plotting code? or it'll be hard to verify my results while i test |
| 00:10.15 | Archarodim | magma: you check pushed the Reinstall button |
| 00:10.17 | Grum | hummmmmmmz yes |
| 00:10.18 | Archarodim | ? |
| 00:10.25 | Ackis | grum: iep? lol |
| 00:10.35 | Grum | Ackis: you have to be kidding |
| 00:10.44 | Grum | write something that automaticly rips wowhead empty |
| 00:10.54 | magma | yes |
| 00:10.56 | Grum | Xinhuan: that will likely happen tomorrow the soonest |
| 00:11.07 | Xinhuan | no problem |
| 00:11.12 | Grum | and you have to promise not to do anything with the sourcecode ^^ |
| 00:11.27 | Xinhuan | not an issue, all i'm writing is the function |
| 00:11.27 | Grum | i have about 300% duplicate code in my Core.lua atm ... |
| 00:11.34 | Grum | i kinda have to clear that up first O.o |
| 00:11.36 | Ackis | lol then i have to go through the effort of getting a compiler and stuff on the PC :P and i have all the recipe names already in the mod, just need to update where you find them from... i can get it all done this week easily lol |
| 00:11.57 | Grum | Ackis; you want datamining stuff like that automated |
| 00:11.58 | Xinhuan | which in likelihood, i would place in a seperate file |
| 00:12.08 | Grum | Xinhuan: would be wise indeed |
| 00:12.17 | Archarodim | magma :then in the options check the following: No Externals - cleanup addon folders - automatic embeds handling |
| 00:12.33 | Grum | oh i was testing my data |
| 00:12.34 | Grum | lets see |
| 00:12.41 | magma | Archarodim: those were already checked |
| 00:13.01 | Archarodim | did you quit the game completely after reinstalling the addons ? |
| 00:13.42 | Grum | man so much to do |
| 00:13.43 | magma | yes |
| 00:13.55 | Grum | i need to set up default colors for all outland herbs O.o |
| 00:14.07 | Archarodim | what type of errors do you have? |
| 00:16.24 | Archarodim | also try to check "delete before updating" it will remove old files that may create conflicts... |
| 00:17.18 | kenlyric | I can't figure out why that isn't on by default. |
| 00:17.50 | kenlyric | if it's a developer, it's going to be skipped by the svn option anyway. |
| 00:18.09 | kenlyric | or it's possible I don't understand at all. |
| 00:18.45 | Archarodim | to avoid deleting files you may have put in addons folders... (some people are very weird) |
| 00:22.45 | Xinhuan | ok grum, what i'm going to do probably use my own local data of Cartographer_HerbalismDB["Terrokar Forest"] as my input table and see what i get as my own output :) |
| 00:23.38 | Grum | :D |
| 00:23.43 | Xinhuan | i assume that my output table is a list of magicIDs? |
| 00:23.43 | Grum | easiests yes |
| 00:23.57 | Grum | yes the same as the keys found in the Carto-db |
| 00:24.28 | Grum | silly perl: (sorry for short paste) |
| 00:24.28 | Grum | sub getXY { my $id = shift; return ($id % 10001)/100, int($id / 10001)/100; } |
| 00:24.28 | Grum | sub getID { my ($x, $y) = @_; return int($x*100 + 0.5) + int($y*100 + 0.5)*10001; } |
| 00:24.57 | Recluse | kenlyric: like my eePanels installation has a good 20-30 images that I added. I don't want that folder removed on update XD |
| 00:25.26 | Grum | http://grum.nl/images/zangarmarsh.jpg |
| 00:25.36 | Xinhuan | my function will prob look like this: function ACO(inputtable, outputtable) |
| 00:25.36 | Grum | still not sure i want to give people something like that |
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| 00:25.57 | Grum | Xinhuan: just do inputtable |
| 00:26.04 | Grum | and have it return the output table? |
| 00:26.27 | Xinhuan | i'll make outputtable optional, if you supply it, i'm throw the output in that table you supply, else i make a new {} |
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| 00:27.15 | Grum | btw my wow doesn't have a real problem with that amount of data |
| 00:27.16 | Xinhuan | no sense making heaps of tables for no reason when you can recycle |
| 00:27.20 | Grum | eeey Shandalar .. slacker ;D |
| 00:28.02 | Grum | mmmm now i wonder if that is the person i think it is .. oh well .. |
| 00:28.09 | Grum | lost my window of car =D |
| 00:28.11 | Grum | *care |
| 00:28.32 | Grum | Xinhuan: humz .. i still have some .. issues with making this public :D |
| 00:28.45 | Xinhuan | say it |
| 00:28.57 | Grum | just doesn't seem like a good idea |
| 00:29.28 | Xinhuan | i really don't see how it would affect your own personal farming |
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| 00:30.25 | Grum | well within no-time people would produce precalculated 'optimal routes' for the already downloadable cartographer data |
| 00:30.33 | Grum | and people would just all do the same |
| 00:31.27 | Xinhuan | except that every person's optimal route is different because everyone is after different herbs/ore |
| 00:31.35 | Xinhuan | i could just be after felweed and ONLY felweed |
| 00:31.42 | Xinhuan | and just want a path for that |
| 00:31.49 | Xinhuan | or only 2 specific herbs |
| 00:32.03 | Xinhuan | i prob won't care about terocones for eg |
| 00:33.32 | Recluse | the money makers are a very small list |
| 00:33.48 | Xinhuan | most people don't even farm |
| 00:33.55 | Xinhuan | they only pick the herb when they see it |
| 00:33.59 | Xinhuan | not go out of the way to farm |
| 00:34.06 | Grum | humz |
| 00:34.14 | Grum | but having an addon means maintaining it O.o |
| 00:34.19 | Grum | which means less free time! |
| 00:34.57 | Recluse | i farm herbs and ores pretty hardcore. i find that i can easily make 3x-4x what others earn in dailies in the same amount of time |
| 00:35.27 | Xinhuan | i don't even farm |
| 00:35.33 | Xinhuan | i just sell enchants/gem cuts/prospect |
| 00:35.37 | Xinhuan | and i earn 500g a day in IF |
| 00:36.18 | Recluse | i've met someone like that on my server. they buy hundreds and hundreds of ada ore every day |
| 00:36.29 | Xinhuan | i just bought 100 stacks today |
| 00:36.35 | Recluse | hehe |
| 00:37.11 | Recluse | i have a jc alt that can prospect it, but i have the luck where i don't even get a single green gem when i do it |
| 00:37.27 | Grum | that is not possible with adamantite |
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| 00:37.44 | Xinhuan | that is not possible. prospecting always gives at least 1 green gem since patch 2.1 |
| 00:37.53 | Grum | yup :) |
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| 00:38.01 | Recluse | they changed it? |
| 00:38.06 | Xinhuan | about 4 months ago |
| 00:38.14 | magma | that No externals option in jwowupdater is completely broken |
| 00:38.18 | Xinhuan | they upped the blue gem rate to 25% |
| 00:38.21 | Xinhuan | up from 16% |
| 00:38.21 | Recluse | well, still, i can't sell green gems for 5g/ea lol |
| 00:38.25 | Industrial | cladhaire: ! |
| 00:38.40 | Xinhuan | i have statistical data from prospecting about 60000 ore |
| 00:38.46 | Xinhuan | recorded with an addon |
| 00:39.05 | Xinhuan | since patch 2.1 |
| 00:39.32 | magma | if that option is checked (enabled), a simple install of cartographer completes with cartographer being completely unusable |
| 00:40.14 | Xinhuan | i vendor about 50-100g of green quality gems daily ;p |
| 00:42.05 | Archarodim | magma: I works perfectly for me, you should check teh delete option to make everything clean |
| 00:42.57 | magma | Archarodim: I did. |
| 00:43.04 | ckknight | hey peoples |
| 00:43.07 | magma | I cleared my addons folder first. |
| 00:43.10 | Archarodim | and the option "split addons with present file list.wau" |
| 00:43.20 | ckknight | Grum: I was at work |
| 00:43.56 | ckknight | Silowyi: I have never left you, child |
| 00:44.06 | ckknight | Silowyi: also, I fixed the issue where FuBar wouldn't save settings |
| 00:44.37 | Ellipsis | yay it's our favorite knight |
| 00:44.49 | aestil | ckknight, didi you make fubar plugin 3.0 yet? |
| 00:44.59 | ckknight | aestil: been working on it |
| 00:45.04 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49552 10LibCrayon-3.0/LibCrayon-3.0.toc: LibCrayon-3.0 - fix OptionalDeps |
| 00:45.08 | ckknight | Ellipsis: I'm your knight in shining armor, baby |
| 00:45.13 | Ellipsis | hawt |
| 00:45.49 | ckknight | lol |
| 00:45.50 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49553 10LibCrayon-3.0/LibCrayon-3.0.toc: LibCrayon-3.0 - change OptionalDeps to Dependencies. |
| 00:45.52 | ckknight | knock yourself out |
| 00:45.56 | aestil | btw, i dunno if he visits IRC, but the tapastry mod pack, has AMAZING unit frames. is that pitbull? |
| 00:46.05 | ckknight | link |
| 00:46.28 | Ellipsis | I think it's slightly lua-hacked aestil |
| 00:46.32 | Ellipsis | but yeah, PitBull |
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| 00:48.05 | aestil | http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot092107012208lb5.jpg |
| 00:49.00 | Ellipsis | the previous version was http://img459.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot091707223355rc1.jpg |
| 00:49.05 | |Stan| | that's pitbull |
| 00:49.13 | |Stan| | with a hacked manabar |
| 00:49.21 | Ellipsis | + portrait overlay hack |
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| 00:49.44 | ckknight | I don't see the hack |
| 00:49.45 | ckknight | where is it? |
| 00:49.46 | aestil | how is that mana bar hacked? |
| 00:49.50 | aestil | you can do that with pitbull. |
| 00:49.59 | aestil | but that portrait seems like a hack. |
| 00:50.07 | ckknight | it's not a hack |
| 00:50.12 | ckknight | you can do it in vanilla PitBull |
| 00:50.13 | Grum | ckknight - you slacker |
| 00:50.18 | ckknight | NO U |
| 00:50.19 | aestil | liez ccknight |
| 00:50.22 | aestil | all liez |
| 00:50.23 | Grum | lol not me |
| 00:50.26 | Grum | i coded today! |
| 00:50.34 | ckknight | I coded this morning before work |
| 00:50.36 | Grum | http://grum.nl/images/zangarmarsh.jpg .. see! |
| 00:50.39 | ckknight | so suck it |
| 00:50.47 | ckknight | crazy |
| 00:50.53 | ckknight | is it a kitty? |
| 00:50.58 | aestil | WTF grum |
| 00:51.12 | Ellipsis | is it done yet Grum? |
| 00:51.12 | aestil | you can set Waypoint sequences for farming a specific herb? |
| 00:51.23 | ckknight | pretty sure it's a kitty. |
| 00:51.31 | Ellipsis | it's a connect-the-dots kitty! |
| 00:51.44 | aestil | ckknight, no way can those portraits be done with pitbull. |
| 00:51.50 | ckknight | ...yea |
| 00:51.59 | Grum | you can turn of the lines you dont want to see ofc :) |
| 00:52.00 | ckknight | just put the portrait in the center instead of left/right |
| 00:52.09 | ckknight | then turn it into a 3d image |
| 00:52.14 | ckknight | instead of 2d or clas |
| 00:52.14 | Ellipsis | http://www.fleabuster.com/Kids/images/line_cat.gif |
| 00:52.17 | ckknight | class* |
| 00:52.20 | ckknight | then position how you want |
| 00:52.29 | Grum | haha |
| 00:52.30 | ckknight | now that's a kitty |
| 00:52.32 | Ellipsis | =] |
| 00:52.35 | Grum | Ellipsis: lol :D |
| 00:53.08 | Seerah | just catching up on the conversation. TapestryUI hacks PB to have a smaller height for the mana bar. The portrait is Zuxana Model Citizen |
| 00:53.32 | ckknight | you can change the mana bar's height... |
| 00:53.35 | aestil | seerah, why does it need to hack PB? I can do that with pitbull? |
| 00:53.37 | Seerah | not smaller than 10 |
| 00:53.49 | aestil | fail ckk. go fix that. |
| 00:53.57 | ckknight | untrue |
| 00:53.57 | Seerah | last I knew, it needed to be edited in the code to get it that small |
| 00:54.12 | ckknight | it's relative based on the other bars. |
| 00:54.15 | Seerah | I prefer my power bar taller than that, but that is what everyone has been doing |
| 00:54.28 | aestil | yeah, seerah, i can make the powerbar tiny |
| 00:54.32 | Seerah | true - you're right, I forgot. but what's the highest you can set health? |
| 00:54.40 | aestil | its a ratio. |
| 00:54.50 | aestil | i just did a 12/1 ratio, and the bar looks tiny. |
| 00:55.17 | ckknight | like your mom! |
| 00:55.22 | ckknight | haha, your mom's not fat |
| 00:55.24 | ckknight | ...wait |
| 00:55.32 | ckknight | that's less of an insult than I thought |
| 00:55.37 | ckknight | curse you, aestil |
| 00:55.38 | Seerah | anyway, portraid is ZMDB :) |
| 00:55.49 | Seerah | *portrait |
| 00:56.04 | Ellipsis | http://i14.tinypic.com/53ev2c6.png |
| 00:56.18 | ckknight | I really don't think it's necessary to have an external portrait thing |
| 00:56.24 | ckknight | seeing as PitBull can do that vanilla |
| 00:56.28 | |Stan| | Ellipsis: lmfao |
| 00:56.34 | ckknight | lulz, Ellipsis |
| 00:56.42 | Ellipsis | =3 |
| 00:56.54 | ckknight | about the right coloring, too |
| 00:56.59 | ckknight | <-- green eyes w/ red hair |
| 00:57.04 | Ellipsis | hawt |
| 00:57.08 | Seerah | lol |
| 00:57.08 | ckknight | :-P |
| 00:57.22 | Seerah | not over top of the healthbar |
| 00:57.39 | Seerah | that portrait is in front of the healthbar, not between health/power |
| 00:58.23 | ckknight | in front? |
| 00:58.26 | ckknight | looks below to me |
| 00:58.43 | Seerah | are you looking at the right ss? |
| 00:58.44 | Seerah | :P |
| 00:59.09 | Seerah | http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot092107012208lb5.jpg |
| 00:59.22 | ckknight | no I was not |
| 00:59.30 | Seerah | someone linked the old one, too |
| 00:59.38 | aestil | now, ckknight, make it so i can do that with my portraits. |
| 00:59.47 | aestil | cause its HWAT |
| 01:00.17 | Seerah | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7029 |
| 01:00.40 | ckknight | aestil: gimme money |
| 01:01.09 | ckknight | :-P |
| 01:02.04 | ckknight | actually... make a jira ticket to steal ZMDB's features |
| 01:02.12 | ckknight | looks neat |
| 01:03.59 | Ellipsis | [5:58:38 pm] <Seerah> someone linked the old one, too << it was me, I admit it! I confused ckknight =[ |
| 01:05.03 | vhaarr | Right men, confuse the ... ckknight! |
| 01:05.05 | aestil | ckknight, i'll buy you dinner. |
| 01:05.24 | ckknight | :-P |
| 01:05.25 | vhaarr | Ellipsis: What can we ever do to repay you? |
| 01:05.29 | ckknight | I don't eat |
| 01:05.44 | vhaarr | <Ellipsis> No need to, sir. It's all in a day's work for Confuse-a-Ckknight. |
| 01:06.15 | ckknight | ... |
| 01:06.26 | Seerah | hehe, Ellipsis :) |
| 01:06.32 | Ellipsis | :D |
| 01:06.35 | aestil | interesting theory ckknight |
| 01:06.43 | aestil | you also aren't in los angeles. |
| 01:06.53 | Ellipsis | whoa, aestil lives in LA? |
| 01:06.54 | Ellipsis | o.o |
| 01:07.03 | vhaarr | you certainly seem to need them |
| 01:07.03 | aestil | uh huh. |
| 01:07.07 | Ellipsis | <--Orange County |
| 01:07.18 | Ellipsis | you can buy me dinner =] |
| 01:07.37 | Grum | that's like an open door |
| 01:07.45 | Grum | you cant resist that invitation .. now buy food! |
| 01:07.45 | Seerah | ck: ZMDB though is a separate 3-d model addon. Resizable, moveable, full-body or portrait, for player, target, pet, and party |
| 01:07.45 | Ellipsis | lol Grum <3 |
| 01:07.48 | aestil | my wife will object |
| 01:08.05 | Ellipsis | hmm, good point aestil...my boyfriend probably wouldn't be so happy about it eitheer |
| 01:08.12 | Seerah | double date! |
| 01:08.18 | Ellipsis | haha |
| 01:08.42 | aestil | i got gkicked yesterday. im kinda sad. |
| 01:08.47 | ckknight | srsly? |
| 01:08.49 | ckknight | how come? |
| 01:08.50 | Grum | iep |
| 01:09.00 | Grum | you sold Tauren on Gnome videos again? |
| 01:09.11 | aestil | well, cause the GM was being condescending, and I overreacted. |
| 01:09.14 | Grum | you should know animal pr0n might offend some people |
| 01:09.20 | aestil | i actually gquit. but its the same thing. |
| 01:09.28 | Grum | aestil: you seriously need a better guild :D |
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| 01:10.13 | Ellipsis | if I had a nickel for every time I got gkicked... |
| 01:10.45 | Grum | you'd have 2 nickels? |
| 01:10.55 | Ellipsis | no, I'd be able to afford your mom! |
| 01:11.00 | ckknight | oh man, that's like 10 cents |
| 01:11.21 | Ellipsis | no, I'm actually just realizing that I've been gkicked from every guild I've ever been in *except* the two that I server-transferred out of |
| 01:11.30 | ckknight | that's enough back in my day to watch a good old boxing match between a negro and an eskimo and still have money to ride the trolley home |
| 01:11.44 | aestil | grum, my guild is great actually :) we just killed Vashj lsat week. |
| 01:11.45 | Ellipsis | well...and one that my boyfriend at the time made me leave because I was flirting with the GM (who is now my current boyfriend o.O) |
| 01:11.46 | Grum | Ellipsis: that'd be easy tbh as she's not .. well .. alive ^^ |
| 01:12.16 | Grum | aestil: we're allmost at that point .. but we kinda never kick people |
| 01:12.17 | aestil | 3 raids a week, 3.5 hours a week. |
| 01:12.19 | Seerah | just cause a guild kills Vashj doesn't mean it's a "great" guild |
| 01:12.20 | Grum | i think we kicked .. 2 ... :D |
| 01:12.27 | Seerah | imo |
| 01:12.34 | Grum | aestil: 3.5hrs a week? you mean per day? |
| 01:12.41 | Grum | (so 3x3.5?) |
| 01:12.43 | aestil | yeah, sorry, 11.5 hours a week. |
| 01:12.49 | aestil | my math skllz aren't great. |
| 01:12.50 | ckknight | 10.5 |
| 01:12.52 | ckknight | lern2math |
| 01:12.56 | aestil | whatever. |
| 01:13.13 | Shirik | ckknight: fail |
| 01:13.26 | Shirik | where did 3 come from? |
| 01:13.30 | Seerah | no, it's 10.5 |
| 01:13.31 | Shirik | oh 3 raids a week |
| 01:13.39 | Shirik | Yeah well people started saying "day" I was looking for 7 >.> |
| 01:13.40 | Grum | we do 4x3hrs |
| 01:13.46 | Ellipsis | oh, sheesh |
| 01:13.50 | ckknight | 3*3.5 = 10.5 |
| 01:13.52 | Grum | at clearing SSC in ~4hrs till vashj orso |
| 01:13.54 | Ellipsis | apparently we need furniture in addition to food |
| 01:13.56 | Shirik | 7*3.5 != 10.5 :P |
| 01:13.57 | ckknight | ~3*3.5 |
| 01:13.57 | purl | 10.5 |
| 01:13.57 | Ellipsis | so I have to get going again >_> |
| 01:14.03 | ckknight | purl agrees |
| 01:14.15 | Grum | ~!69 |
| 01:14.23 | Shirik | ~2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2 |
| 01:14.23 | purl | 2 |
| 01:14.24 | ckknight | Shirik: me + your mom = sexings |
| 01:14.25 | ckknight | so there. |
| 01:14.28 | Shirik | wow |
| 01:14.28 | Ellipsis | oh snap |
| 01:14.35 | ckknight | Shirik: I think it sees ^ as xr |
| 01:14.37 | Ellipsis | bbs guys <3 |
| 01:14.37 | ckknight | xor* |
| 01:14.41 | ckknight | ~2^2 |
| 01:14.42 | purl | 2^2 is probably a bad question. You want 2**2. |
| 01:14.47 | Xinhuan | i HATE vashj fight T_T |
| 01:14.53 | ckknight | ~2^3 |
| 01:14.53 | purl | 1 |
| 01:14.57 | Xinhuan | biggest waste of time ever! |
| 01:14.58 | ckknight | yea, xor |
| 01:15.09 | Shirik | ~2**2**2**2**2**2**2**2**2**2**2 |
| 01:15.09 | purl | inf |
| 01:15.13 | Shirik | heh |
| 01:15.14 | Grum | lol |
| 01:15.20 | Grum | ~inf-1 |
| 01:15.31 | Xinhuan | purl cuts of the answer at 16 Sig fig btw |
| 01:15.34 | Grum | ~2**2**2**2**2**2**2**2**2**2 |
| 01:15.35 | purl | inf |
| 01:15.35 | Xinhuan | proof |
| 01:15.37 | |Stan| | ~~~~~ |
| 01:15.37 | purl | grrrr |
| 01:15.42 | Grum | ~2**2**2**2**2**2**2**2**2 |
| 01:15.42 | purl | inf |
| 01:15.42 | Xinhuan | ~123456789*987654321 |
| 01:15.43 | purl | 121932631112635264 |
| 01:15.50 | Xinhuan | lua> 123456789*987654321 |
| 01:15.58 | Grum | ~2**2**2**2**2**2**2**2 |
| 01:15.59 | purl | inf |
| 01:16.04 | Grum | ~2**2**2**2 |
| 01:16.05 | purl | 65536 |
| 01:16.14 | Xinhuan | 123456789*987654321 <-- answer should end in "9" |
| 01:16.15 | Grum | man purl .. you suck |
| 01:16.17 | Xinhuan | and not 4 |
| 01:16.19 | |Stan| | ~2*sqrt(16) |
| 01:16.25 | ckknight | ~111111111*111111111 |
| 01:16.25 | purl | 12345678987654320 |
| 01:16.26 | Liandra | grum, go to bed! |
| 01:16.27 | Xinhuan | purl cut off the answer at 16 sig fig |
| 01:16.30 | Seerah | purl just can't count that high |
| 01:16.31 | Grum | Liandra: lol :) |
| 01:16.33 | Seerah | runs out of digits |
| 01:16.34 | Grum | no way! |
| 01:16.44 | Seerah | (get it? :D fingers and toes.... /sigh) |
| 01:16.49 | Grum | bed is for people who are sleeping |
| 01:17.02 | Liandra | i hate vashj. |
| 01:17.09 | Grum | Liandra: killed that piece of bitch? |
| 01:17.35 | Grum | we should be getting the first 2 full days on her this week |
| 01:17.45 | Liandra | tomorrow (ok, technically today) hopefully - finally |
| 01:17.54 | Grum | how far did you get? |
| 01:17.56 | Grum | phase3? |
| 01:18.07 | Liandra | with 23 alive |
| 01:18.13 | Grum | damn and still not make it? |
| 01:18.25 | aestil | vashj is actually pretty easy once you do a few things right. |
| 01:18.25 | Grum | thought phase2 was the worst ^^ |
| 01:18.31 | aestil | 1st thing is not dieing in phase 2. |
| 01:18.41 | aestil | second thing is controling the p2 -> p3 transitino |
| 01:18.45 | Liandra | that requires competent raiders :< |
| 01:18.54 | Grum | ghehehe |
| 01:18.59 | aestil | 3rd thing is dealing with the sporebats properly. |
| 01:19.03 | Grum | well ideally phase2 lasts 5 minutes tops :) |
| 01:19.03 | Liandra | aestil, you mean timing using the 4th tainted core? |
| 01:19.34 | Grum | we just go to ~150s in phase2 |
| 01:19.50 | Grum | but we just did ~5 tries in total so far |
| 01:20.00 | Liandra | i even brought 2 tanks 6 healers 17 dps to make sure we had enough dps in p2 >_< |
| 01:20.07 | Grum | lol .. poor healers :D |
| 01:20.55 | Grum | from what i hear it's the trick of putting as people as possible on the adds in p2 - we tried the last time with 2 rogue, 1 shaman and 2 hunters |
| 01:21.06 | Grum | they managed to kill ~95% of those adds and get cores |
| 01:21.22 | Liandra | on the little elementals? rogues? |
| 01:21.38 | Grum | as odd as it may sound .. yes |
| 01:22.00 | Liandra | sounds very suboptimal due to all the running around, but if it works, go for it i guess :) |
| 01:22.10 | Grum | they can go on forever where as anything else will have problem with mana in the end |
| 01:22.18 | Liandra | how many shadowpriests do you have? |
| 01:22.23 | Grum | 2 :( |
| 01:22.40 | Grum | and 2 shamans most of the time |
| 01:23.03 | aestil | liandra, yes. |
| 01:23.15 | aestil | the 4th core should be used right before the next strider spawns. |
| 01:23.21 | Grum | but try 3-5 we kinda did without proper groups - we assigned groups on area where to kill adds in rather than assigning people to certain spots |
| 01:23.22 | aestil | no sooner. |
| 01:23.27 | Liandra | aestil: is there anything else to the p2->p3 transition? picking her up properly? |
| 01:23.32 | aestil | thats part of it. |
| 01:23.49 | Grum | she hits like a mad train :D |
| 01:24.10 | Grum | Liandra: did you clear upto Kael'thas already? (we just did VR/Alar) |
| 01:24.40 | Liandra | no, we focused on SSC, have only done al'ar+vr in the eye |
| 01:25.00 | Grum | i *HATE* leo .. seriously :) |
| 01:25.12 | Grum | just because people can so easily nub up on that fight .. not fun anymore |
| 01:25.24 | Liandra | and with the upcoming changes to solarian, we decided not to bother learning the old fight in the 1-2 nights we could have spent on solarian |
| 01:25.44 | Grum | 'oh i was standing a bit to close'x5 ... yay .. 5x2500 raiddmg per second O.o -- try outhealing that while not getting aggro when he exits his whirlwind ^^ |
| 01:25.57 | Grum | yeah |
| 01:26.02 | Grum | i wonder what is needed resistancewise |
| 01:26.15 | Grum | atm people recommend ~150AR for him - but after the patch that seems to be gone completely |
| 01:26.18 | Liandra | here grum, show this to your guildies... it's the Proper Way to kill Leo. http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3366/leostratlx3.th.jpg |
| 01:26.29 | aestil | liandra, we have the MT call the transition. |
| 01:26.31 | Grum | wrong img |
| 01:26.37 | Liandra | oh |
| 01:26.38 | Grum | that is the thumb =DF |
| 01:26.40 | aestil | so we don't hit P3 until the tank says go P3 |
| 01:26.49 | aestil | the tank is watching the timer for the next strider |
| 01:26.53 | aestil | and is in position to pick up vashj |
| 01:26.53 | Liandra | http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=leostratlx3.jpg |
| 01:26.53 | Grum | healing wise leo is a piss |
| 01:26.57 | Grum | we could do it with 5 healers if needed |
| 01:27.05 | aestil | remind the shaman to throw down a grounding totems |
| 01:27.07 | Grum | if just everyone did their bloody job |
| 01:27.16 | aestil | remind the paladins that they need to keep BoF going. |
| 01:27.34 | aestil | have 2 hunters on spore bats, and keep them going til the enrage [if your dps doesn't kill her first] |
| 01:27.46 | aestil | also, we just have the OT tank 2 naga thorught all of phase 3. |
| 01:28.01 | Liandra | aestil: well, we have a p1/p3 tank in mitigation gear, and a p2 tank in threat gear for the nagas, so the p1/p3 tank should be ready to pick her up easily |
| 01:28.02 | aestil | our dps isn't good enough yet, well, coordinated enough yet to kill them all. |
| 01:28.23 | Liandra | hm, OT 2 naga, hm. |
| 01:28.33 | Grum | we killed Leo twice in the 5 times we've been at him .. (of which 2 nights of practice) |
| 01:28.41 | aestil | leo is easy. |
| 01:28.47 | aestil | hard part is the 15% transition. |
| 01:28.55 | aestil | which you basically need a second Fr Tank. |
| 01:29.01 | aestil | at least thats how we handled it. |
| 01:29.10 | Liandra | not if you make sure the 15% transition happens during his Shadow phase |
| 01:29.20 | aestil | so you stop dps? |
| 01:29.30 | Grum | you need to stop dps |
| 01:29.35 | Liandra | then you can keep nuking his form before the split (though i'm not sure that's a bug/exploit or intended) |
| 01:29.36 | Grum | else you have dead dps allover |
| 01:29.39 | aestil | we just keep going and have a second Fr tank pick him up right then, until the debuffs wear off. |
| 01:29.57 | aestil | then the original Fr Tank takes over. |
| 01:29.59 | Grum | second tank? we just heal the first .. ^^ |
| 01:30.03 | Liandra | we usually nuke him to 11-10% when he stops shouting and actually splits |
| 01:30.22 | Grum | Liandra; is that when he reaches 15% in shadow? |
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| 01:30.27 | aestil | if you go from a Fr phase -> into slpit you need 2 tanks. |
| 01:30.33 | Liandra | (i meant demon of course) |
| 01:30.34 | Grum | oh also fun .. having 5/7 healers getting innerdemon .. ^^ |
| 01:30.35 | aestil | the FR tank will get too many debufs and heal die. |
| 01:31.47 | Grum | erm ye demon |
| 01:31.51 | Liandra | Grum: you can help your healers by putting them in a paladin (conc aura) + shaman (WoA totem) group |
| 01:32.05 | Grum | WoA ? |
| 01:32.12 | Liandra | spelldamage |
| 01:32.13 | Grum | Wrath of Air .. |
| 01:32.26 | Grum | was looking for the abbreviation :D |
| 01:32.29 | Liandra | helps a lot for their inner demons :) |
| 01:32.36 | Liandra | aestil: thank you for the tips |
| 01:32.40 | Grum | i have no problem killing it - have about ~340spelldmg |
| 01:32.54 | Grum | but you do depend on heals |
| 01:32.55 | ckknight | well, I could finish LibFuBarPlugin-3.0 |
| 01:33.02 | ckknight | or I could play Super Mario Strikers |
| 01:33.09 | Grum | CODE YOU SLACKING SLACKER |
| 01:33.20 | Grum | have fun playing mario;D |
| 01:33.21 | ckknight | fuck off, I've been working all day and am tired |
| 01:33.24 | Liandra | i need to convince my warlocks to stop using CoA/SL on Tainted Elementals :< |
| 01:34.02 | Grum | what kind of dps do you have killig the adds? |
| 01:34.21 | Liandra | hunters and warlocks in our most recent strategy - 6 of them even |
| 01:34.52 | Grum | +4 healers? |
| 01:34.57 | Liandra | yes |
| 01:35.08 | Grum | and 2 healers on the MT/kiter? |
| 01:35.22 | phyber | ckknight: you played Super Paper Mario? If not, I recommend it :) |
| 01:35.23 | Grum | thats .. cutting it close ... or those 2 healers have to be like .. imba .. (or shamans) |
| 01:35.24 | Liandra | 1 tank + 4-5 melee killing nagas, 1 warlock kiting striders + 3 Mages in the centre killing striders |
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| 01:35.32 | CIA-22 | 03archarodim * r49554 10Decursive/ (DCR_init.lua Dcr_Events.lua Dcr_opt.lua): |
| 01:35.32 | CIA-22 | Decursive: |
| 01:35.32 | CIA-22 | - Icon was still green if no spell was available at log-on |
| 01:35.32 | CIA-22 | - Pet detection was not working correctly in some race conditions (instant mount-unmount). |
| 01:35.32 | CIA-22 | - 'LEARNED_SPELL_IN_TAB' event was not delayed. |
| 01:35.36 | ckknight | phyber: tried it, was pretty fun |
| 01:35.44 | ckknight | has a very zelda-like feel to it |
| 01:35.45 | aestil | liandra, we have melee dps and some minimal ranged kill the elementals |
| 01:35.53 | Grum | CoEx on striders i assume? |
| 01:35.56 | aestil | you need ranged up top to kill the strider anyways, as that is top priority |
| 01:36.06 | Liandra | Grum: Slow - all our Mages are Arcane (yummy dps!) |
| 01:36.08 | aestil | so they kill the strider, and then randomly get some dps, mostly dots, on the naga. |
| 01:36.30 | aestil | we have 2 melee on naga [besides tanks] and they make sure that any 'elemental leakage' gets blown up so nothing gets through. |
| 01:36.46 | aestil | priests with Circle of healing and shaman with chain heal are full of win. |
| 01:36.59 | Liandra | aestil: have you tried ranged on elementals, melee on nagas? the whole running around of melee seems very inefficient to me |
| 01:37.03 | Grum | with ~10 people dps ontop you should have about 5-8k raiddps - they should die in ~20-30s |
| 01:37.15 | aestil | liandra, yes. we prefered melee on elementals. |
| 01:37.24 | aestil | they can only kill naga up to. |
| 01:37.24 | Liandra | hmm. |
| 01:37.31 | aestil | but ranged can kill strider AND naga. |
| 01:37.36 | aestil | you have to kill the strider. |
| 01:37.47 | Liandra | striders are not a problem anymore |
| 01:38.05 | Liandra | 1 kiting warlock + 2 shadowpriests + 3 mages = enough to kill a strider on time |
| 01:38.29 | Grum | and shadowpriest mindflay works really well on keeping em away from your lock :) |
| 01:38.43 | Grum | it's just that we actually had no-one specced to kite |
| 01:38.46 | Grum | was kinda .. silly :D |
| 01:38.48 | Antiarc | Melee on elementals are wasted, IMO |
| 01:38.53 | Antiarc | Since they lose so much DPS time traveling |
| 01:38.57 | Grum | no affliction locks nor frostmages O.o |
| 01:39.01 | Liandra | aestil: our melee helps with leakage |
| 01:39.02 | Silowyi | Antiarc what fight? |
| 01:39.08 | Grum | Vashj |
| 01:39.08 | Antiarc | Vashj |
| 01:39.11 | Silowyi | ah |
| 01:39.12 | Liandra | Grum: how can you not have any affliction locks? o_O |
| 01:39.29 | Liandra | Grum: are all your warlocks gimp specced? :D |
| 01:39.51 | phyber | Liandra: we know where you've been hiding now.... |
| 01:40.05 | Liandra | phyber: says who ;) |
| 01:40.06 | Grum | hehe |
| 01:40.06 | Antiarc | http://wowwebstats.com/njf4ob3apkxqu?s=5346-6071 <-- last night's kill (which was slower than normal, actually) |
| 01:40.32 | Grum | wowstats <3 |
| 01:41.11 | Liandra | wtf, how did that link through to some errorstats.com page? :o |
| 01:41.17 | Antiarc | ...eh? |
| 01:41.35 | Antiarc | Seems to come up fine here |
| 01:41.44 | Liandra | probably one of the random ads did that. |
| 01:41.53 | Grum | Liandra: there is a nasty add swarming around |
| 01:42.02 | Grum | nah it's on many many many sites |
| 01:42.06 | Grum | and i mean many |
| 01:42.12 | Grum | files.wowace.com also had it today :) |
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| 01:42.19 | Antiarc | the 100% CPU usage one? |
| 01:42.32 | Grum | oh that's another (Guildwars merchandise) |
| 01:42.33 | Liandra | Antiarc: what strat do you use? |
| 01:42.44 | Antiarc | On Vashj? |
| 01:42.53 | Liandra | i mean which tasks for which classes in p2 |
| 01:42.58 | Grum | oh Liandra, what do you think, should an addon like: http://grum.nl/images/terrokar.jpg be release? O.o |
| 01:42.59 | RogueShadow | o, that stat thing is pretty neat. |
| 01:43.27 | Antiarc | Melee on nagas in the middle, and they clean up any elementals that get through; a warlock kites the strider and we have ranged DPS split between elemental and strider duty, since they can pewpew both without having to move around |
| 01:43.28 | Knaledge | There was a new Cartograhpher today apparently? |
| 01:43.33 | Antiarc | We have a secondary healer chain set up for cores |
| 01:43.39 | Knaledge | At least... a new version altogether? |
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| 01:43.51 | Liandra | Grum: what's the use of the connecting lines? |
| 01:44.16 | Grum | Liandra: pre-calculated herbing/mining routes giving the shortest possible one ingame |
| 01:44.42 | Liandra | interesting :) |
| 01:44.48 | Grum | indeed |
| 01:45.00 | Grum | let's say i'm in doubt if i should release that addon .. |
| 01:45.03 | Jagobah | Grum: If there was, I wouldn't use it |
| 01:45.08 | Jagobah | I like making my own routes |
| 01:45.14 | Grum | you can also with that addon |
| 01:45.18 | Grum | that was the original idea |
| 01:45.19 | ckknight | Knaledge: not to my knowledge |
| 01:45.28 | ckknight | Knaledge: I put one out last week, mind you |
| 01:45.32 | ckknight | alright, I'll cya all later |
| 01:45.35 | Grum | http://grum.nl/lazy.jpg (also look at the minimap btw) |
| 01:45.56 | Xinhuan | i'm writing the code to calculate that path for grum, prob doing it tonight |
| 01:46.00 | Liandra | Antiarc: sounds similar to what we are doing, except that we've assigned 6 people to stand at the outer edge, top of the stairs, for the elementals (and dps/dot/slow the strider if it comes by) |
| 01:46.10 | Knaledge | ckknight: hrm ok. |
| 01:46.25 | Knaledge | ckknight: two of my guildies claim they just updated cartographer to a new version today |
| 01:46.32 | Grum | he jsut went offline Knaledge |
| 01:46.33 | Liandra | Knaledge: ckknight is offline :P |
| 01:46.35 | Knaledge | and it wiped out all of their notes, POI, node marks etc. |
| 01:46.40 | Grum | lol |
| 01:47.01 | phyber | Liandra: that's the one that we do. some people at the top of the stairs and just dps strider as it goes by. |
| 01:47.04 | Grum | if they want nodes again .. i got the wowhead database freshly ripped .. from to day |
| 01:47.04 | Liandra | how many different Tainted Elementals Spawn Spots are there? |
| 01:47.10 | Grum | 4 |
| 01:47.18 | Grum | one for each section afaik |
| 01:47.25 | Xinhuan | Knaledge: i can safely say that i upgraded my cartographer today from Ace2 to Rock (in fact exactly 22 minutes ago), and none of my data is lost |
| 01:47.34 | Xinhuan | in fact, 0 errors |
| 01:47.50 | Knaledge | hrm |
| 01:47.55 | Knaledge | I havent had any issues either |
| 01:47.58 | Grum | Xinhuan: lucky you - my Cartographer_Routes addon was completely fucked up after he did some wacky changes that werent 'all that perfect' ;D |
| 01:48.02 | Grum | some patches later - fixed :) |
| 01:48.07 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 01:48.11 | Grum | automagically started to work |
| 01:48.12 | Knaledge | Is it possible to have happened? |
| 01:48.27 | Xinhuan | i did decide wisely to not update until it was fairly stable |
| 01:48.31 | Knaledge | that is did something change recently that would be related to that issue? |
| 01:48.31 | Xinhuan | so yeah |
| 01:48.47 | Grum | i was like .. OMG i have to fix my code .. so i was about to go look into it .. and decided to update once more .. and .. it worked .. so i did a happy dance and started to work on TSP solutions =D |
| 01:48.49 | Knaledge | I guess but I've been updating via SVN over the past week now |
| 01:48.51 | Knaledge | no issues |
| 01:49.07 | Grum | Knaledge: there are some issues updating with older WAU version |
| 01:49.09 | Grum | +s |
| 01:49.19 | Knaledge | ahg |
| 01:49.20 | Knaledge | ah |
| 01:49.23 | Knaledge | yeah that could be it |
| 01:49.25 | Xinhuan | actually grum, i updated using 1.9.42 |
| 01:49.27 | Knaledge | in fact I bet you it is |
| 01:49.28 | Xinhuan | and it worked fine |
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| 01:49.33 | Grum | update to the latest version (xxx.44.xxx orso) and do a reinstall (yes REinstall from the menu) |
| 01:49.33 | Xinhuan | i didn't use 1.9.44 |
| 01:49.39 | Knaledge | I had an issue though initially |
| 01:49.46 | Grum | Xinhuan: there was a fuckup with externals orso |
| 01:49.56 | Xinhuan | yeah i think ck fixed that just |
| 01:50.07 | Grum | he fixed it 2-3 days ago |
| 01:50.12 | Liandra | do people use bigwigs or deadly boss mods here btw? |
| 01:50.18 | Grum | i got both atm |
| 01:50.21 | phyber | BigWigs! |
| 01:50.22 | Grum | but using DBM |
| 01:50.30 | Xinhuan | i use bigwigs |
| 01:50.31 | Knaledge | yeah see I think thts what they were experiencing |
| 01:50.35 | Knaledge | is there a way to recover from that? |
| 01:50.43 | Grum | have to switch to BW because i like it better but i have to spend time on getting the broadcasting working etc ^^ |
| 01:50.44 | Liandra | i would really prefer to use bw due to its ace-ness, but the timers seem to be off on many fights |
| 01:50.46 | Xinhuan | Knaledge: if the data is lost, then its lost |
| 01:50.53 | Knaledge | hrm. alright |
| 01:50.56 | Grum | Knaledge: there might be .bak files in their saved variab;es |
| 01:50.57 | Xinhuan | ask them to restore an old WTF folder backup |
| 01:51.05 | Xinhuan | or restore .bak versions |
| 01:51.10 | Jagobah | I jsut delete the old files and unzip the latest zip file and run that |
| 01:51.16 | phyber | apparently some people in the raid say DBM has a nice feature for Naj'entus though. DBM tells you who doesn't have over 8500 HP for popping the Tidal Bubble thing. |
| 01:51.22 | Grum | Liandra: that is also what i've heard and seen occasionally |
| 01:51.35 | Xinhuan | phyber: that is just a guideline |
| 01:51.43 | Xinhuan | not all classes actually need 8500 hp |
| 01:51.47 | Grum | but if you look in the sourcecode of DBM you just start crying straight away |
| 01:51.51 | Grum | it's KTM all-over again :D |
| 01:51.52 | Xinhuan | for example, mages FrostWard - priests PW:S |
| 01:52.05 | Knaledge | one other Q |
| 01:52.09 | Grum | 8500hp is easy :D |
| 01:52.10 | phyber | Xinhuan: I know, but it still sounds cool. :) |
| 01:52.24 | Liandra | BW seems to be too late on the tainted elemental spawns, which is kind of critical |
| 01:52.26 | Knaledge | I update via SVN |
| 01:52.32 | Knaledge | is there a way to DL the changelogs? |
| 01:52.37 | Knaledge | I used to use MAU and it did this |
| 01:52.48 | Grum | Knaledge: they should be in the repository |
| 01:53.02 | Knaledge | it created a CL#####.txt file each update |
| 01:53.02 | Knaledge | really? |
| 01:53.02 | Grum | hmm |
| 01:53.02 | Knaledge | how can I ... get that? |
| 01:53.13 | Knaledge | I mean it placed this changelog file in the directory of the addon itself |
| 01:53.16 | Grum | nah i'm messing up here- what i saw was definately a svn logoutput |
| 01:53.20 | phyber | Knaledge: in the addon directory, 'svn log -v'. if you mean you're using the 'svn' client. |
| 01:53.26 | Xinhuan | changelogs is something the server generates |
| 01:53.27 | Grum | yup |
| 01:53.33 | phyber | assuming it's a checkout not an export. |
| 01:53.37 | Knaledge | I use a script .commm |
| 01:53.39 | Xinhuan | not something the addon writer generates |
| 01:53.42 | Knaledge | is there a way to add that? |
| 01:53.44 | Knaledge | I use |
| 01:53.46 | Knaledge | svn up * |
| 01:53.59 | Knaledge | and then can I follow it up with svn log -v on the next line? |
| 01:54.20 | Xinhuan | no, you have to do it in the folder you want to see the changelog of |
| 01:54.21 | Grum | it will spit out all info for every '*' |
| 01:54.28 | phyber | 'svn log -v directory_name' |
| 01:54.33 | Xinhuan | or specify which directory |
| 01:54.40 | Grum | nearly bedtime |
| 01:54.46 | Grum | Xinhuan: start coding |
| 01:54.51 | Grum | no more chatting =D |
| 01:54.55 | Funkeh` | Wierd because DBM rips nearly all timers from BW, making the vashj timers identical |
| 01:54.58 | Funkeh` | how can they be off |
| 01:55.03 | Knaledge | so... |
| 01:55.06 | Knaledge | #!/bin/sh |
| 01:55.08 | Knaledge | cd /Applications/World\ of\ Warcraft/Interface/AddOns |
| 01:55.09 | Knaledge | /usr/local/bin/svn up * |
| 01:55.11 | Grum | Funkeh`: afaik was DBM earlier |
| 01:55.11 | Knaledge | thats my script |
| 01:55.13 | Knaledge | I have to then do... |
| 01:55.38 | Grum | if you look at the DBM source for Hydross - the mark-timers are completely funky |
| 01:55.42 | Knaledge | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.44 | Knaledge | ? |
| 01:55.58 | phyber | '-v' not '- v' |
| 01:55.59 | Grum | instead of 15,15,15,15,15 it's something like: 14.5,15.2,15,14.9,15 |
| 01:56.53 | Knaledge | Xinhuan: ? |
| 01:57.06 | Grum | and real data beats everything: 14.4; 15.6; 14.5; 14; 14; |
| 01:57.07 | Xinhuan | i don't use unix or linux sorry ;p |
| 01:57.35 | phyber | put a small loop in to get the changelogs for all addons in the directory, if you must: for i in *; do svn log -v ${i}; done |
| 01:57.47 | Funkeh` | Grum: huh? |
| 01:58.01 | Grum | Funkeh`: those are the 'mark'-timers for Hydross :D |
| 01:58.20 | Knaledge | phyber: couldn't I just do... |
| 01:58.27 | Knaledge | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.35 | Antiarc | Are those deltas, or what? |
| 01:58.36 | Liandra | (-v, not - v) |
| 01:58.39 | Knaledge | if I've cd'd to my WoW directory in the script? |
| 01:59.08 | phyber | Knaledge: no, since 'svn log' only takes one directory as an argument |
| 01:59.09 | Xinhuan | no Knaledge, that only retrieves changelog about the folder you specified, not the subfolders |
| 01:59.15 | phyber | you have to loop over the directories. |
| 01:59.26 | Knaledge | k sec |
| 01:59.26 | Grum | anyhow, going to bed. nn all :D |
| 01:59.27 | Knaledge | fighting |
| 01:59.31 | Funkeh` | Grum: the mark timers for hydross don't vary |
| 01:59.33 | Liandra | nn grummie |
| 01:59.42 | Grum | nn ^^ |
| 01:59.50 | Xinhuan | Funkeh`: grum is saying DBM uses those numbers |
| 01:59.58 | Xinhuan | which is completely dumb |
| 02:00.13 | Xinhuan | instead of just using all 15s |
| 02:00.24 | Funkeh` | It is dumb |
| 02:00.28 | Funkeh` | since they don't vary |
| 02:00.30 | Funkeh` | ... |
| 02:00.44 | Xinhuan | [9/23 09:53:19] <Grum> if you look at the DBM source for Hydross - the mark-timers are completely funky |
| 02:00.46 | Xinhuan | to quote |
| 02:00.59 | Liandra | oh but they do, in practice - not always exactly 15 seconds, but slightly more |
| 02:01.11 | Antiarc | cast time, perhaps. |
| 02:01.15 | Liandra | nope |
| 02:01.17 | Funkeh` | latency? |
| 02:01.20 | Liandra | yup |
| 02:01.25 | Funkeh` | you can't record latency |
| 02:01.31 | Xinhuan | liandra, they only vary slightly because of 1. latency 2. cross over time to clean/poison phase |
| 02:01.33 | Funkeh` | you can round it off |
| 02:01.37 | Antiarc | you could compensate for it, but that's just overkill |
| 02:02.21 | Xinhuan | at the end of it, its still 15sec on the server |
| 02:02.22 | Liandra | well, for some reason, if something happens every X seconds in theory, it happens every X + a little bit seconds in practice |
| 02:02.26 | Knaledge | phyber: willing to help me with this? heh |
| 02:02.30 | Antiarc | Not really |
| 02:02.36 | JoshBorke | Antiarc: fix Threat ;P |
| 02:02.36 | Antiarc | Because those events aren't clientside |
| 02:02.37 | Liandra | at least, that's how it was for Razuvious's Shout |
| 02:02.41 | Xinhuan | Liandra: it still happens every X seconds on the server |
| 02:02.50 | Xinhuan | you merely receive it X+something later |
| 02:02.52 | Antiarc | The effects are seen with slight lag clientside |
| 02:02.58 | Antiarc | But they are pretty much constant serverside |
| 02:03.04 | phyber | Knaledge: sure, but I showed you exactly what would do it ;) well, except that you probably want to redirect the log output to a text file. |
| 02:03.19 | Liandra | that's what I thought as well, initially |
| 02:03.35 | phyber | for i in *; do /usr/local/bin/svn log -v ${i} > ${i}/ChangeLog.txt; done |
| 02:03.38 | phyber | should do it for you. |
| 02:03.59 | phyber | give you a ChangeLog.txt in each addon directory after the update. |
| 02:04.10 | Xinhuan | half a second won't kill you :) |
| 02:04.11 | Antiarc | Occam says that looking for 3% variances on a 15 sec timer is likely unfounded. :P |
| 02:04.16 | Liandra | i haven't done any recent measurements, but when I was coding our guild's Razuvious addon a long time ago, I noticed that the time between his Shouts was always a little bit more than 25 seconds |
| 02:04.30 | Xinhuan | Liandra: because it is every 26 seconds |
| 02:04.31 | Xinhuan | not 25 |
| 02:04.34 | Antiarc | Time to decide to use it post cooldown, perhaps. |
| 02:04.45 | Xinhuan | considering i wrote such an addon myself and parsed the combat log |
| 02:04.50 | Xinhuan | over 5 minutes |
| 02:04.52 | Liandra | so the further on in the fight you got, the more inaccurate the time became |
| 02:04.54 | Liandra | oh, hm |
| 02:05.13 | Xinhuan | you assumed it was 25 incorrectly |
| 02:05.16 | Funkeh` | The bw timer refreshes when you get the mark |
| 02:05.19 | Funkeh` | to 15 seconds |
| 02:05.23 | Funkeh` | so it can't become innacurate |
| 02:05.26 | Funkeh` | its not a looping timer |
| 02:05.48 | Liandra | Xinhuan: weird, i parsed combat logs too, guess i didn't look well enough then |
| 02:05.56 | Xinhuan | also a good addon will reset the timer to count from 0 again from a razuvious shout, not loop 26 nonstop |
| 02:06.05 | Xinhuan | so after a shout, it will reset to 0 and count up to 26 again |
| 02:06.18 | Xinhuan | so it should NEVER get "more accurate" as you suggested |
| 02:06.25 | Liandra | the problem with his Shout was that there was no event to detect his shout from happening - unless someone was actually hit by the shout |
| 02:06.26 | Xinhuan | s/accurate/inaccurate |
| 02:06.43 | Liandra | (which is why we always put a Voidwalker in LoS of Razuv) |
| 02:06.45 | Xinhuan | yeah so you just announce a warning for it |
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| 02:06.54 | Xinhuan | and keep counting |
| 02:07.04 | Xinhuan | but it is 26s, i've tested this extensively ;p |
| 02:07.17 | Liandra | i believe you :) |
| 02:07.29 | Antiarc | Okay, I've spent the last 5 minutes mixing up the names "Razorgore" and "Razuvious" in my head. >_< |
| 02:07.51 | Liandra | ignore my previous comments then, since the data they were based on was incorrect. |
| 02:08.26 | Liandra | Antiarc: while you were thinking about Rattlegore? |
| 02:08.30 | Antiarc | Heheh |
| 02:10.59 | Liandra | Xinhuan: well, it's good to know that blizzard's stuff doesn't have any weird incremental delays for periodic events :P |
| 02:11.14 | Antiarc | There's no good reason for it to |
| 02:11.19 | Xinhuan | ^ |
| 02:11.35 | Liandra | which is why i found it so weird and frustrating |
| 02:11.35 | Antiarc | Just speaking as a programmer, adding that kind of stuff in would just be a waste of my time :P |
| 02:11.40 | Antiarc | And programmers tend to be lazy folk |
| 02:11.41 | Liandra | same :) |
| 02:11.55 | Antiarc | So I would assume the same of Blizzard's encounter scripters :D |
| 02:12.28 | Xinhuan | they kinda changed that by adding "cooldowns" rather than repeat this every X seconds |
| 02:12.38 | Xinhuan | so the skill can be used anytime after Y seconds |
| 02:12.46 | Antiarc | Well, yeah, but that's still a constant mechanic |
| 02:12.52 | Liandra | like leo's ww |
| 02:12.55 | Antiarc | As opposed to "Skill timer +/- 8%" |
| 02:13.15 | Xinhuan | skill timer +/-8% would be intepretted as skilltimer +16% |
| 02:13.23 | Antiarc | True. |
| 02:13.26 | Xinhuan | you dont' know what blizz really used |
| 02:14.20 | Xinhuan | Twin Emps is prob the first such boss |
| 02:14.22 | Xinhuan | that used this |
| 02:14.35 | Xinhuan | aq40 onwards |
| 02:14.54 | Liandra | yauj's heal? |
| 02:15.14 | Liandra | i never killed c'thun pre-tbc |
| 02:15.21 | Liandra | took my guild to aq40 last weekend |
| 02:15.23 | Xinhuan | yauj doesn't heal if any boss has > 90% health |
| 02:15.28 | Xinhuan | so not sure about the timer there |
| 02:15.35 | Liandra | it was... interesting but also a bit disappointing |
| 02:15.43 | Liandra | huhuran died in 43 secs for example |
| 02:16.04 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 02:16.05 | mikma | c'thun fight was intense back then |
| 02:16.06 | phyber | heh, nice. |
| 02:16.06 | Xinhuan | how many man? |
| 02:16.06 | Liandra | but at least we've killed c'thun now :) |
| 02:16.12 | Liandra | 40x70 |
| 02:16.23 | phyber | I still have my Huhuran NR gear in the bank. |
| 02:16.24 | mikma | i was able to kill c'thun before tbc |
| 02:16.41 | Liandra | we had only 2 guilds on the server who killed c'thun, so lots of people were interested in seeing c'thun even now |
| 02:16.44 | mikma | god damn it took many many tries to do it correctly |
| 02:16.46 | phyber | greens could beat that epic stuff now :p |
| 02:16.49 | Xinhuan | i was lucky enough to kill everything except KT, Sapph and 4H pre-tbc |
| 02:17.08 | mikma | phyber: tentacle-trinket > all |
| 02:17.48 | phyber | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.53 | Liandra | ouro died before his first submerge too :P |
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| 02:21.12 | Liandra | anyway, bedtime, nn all. |
| 02:21.19 | phyber | nn |
| 02:24.20 | Xinhuan | ~logs |
| 02:24.21 | purl | from memory, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
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| 03:02.11 | CIA-22 | BigWigs: - deDE Update to Hyjal Modules and added Azgalor local |
| 03:02.11 | CIA-22 | - Hyjal is now complete translated into deDE |
| 03:02.11 | CIA-22 | - Trigger fix for Souls |
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| 03:35.43 | Ellipsis | rahhh |
| 03:35.51 | Ellipsis | good news everybody! i has a coffeemaker =3 |
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| 03:37.27 | nymbia | Ellipsis: grats! |
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| 03:39.52 | Ellipsis | ^-^ |
| 03:40.09 | Ellipsis | now my rambling should be far more coherent |
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| 03:54.10 | Kaelten | lol |
| 03:54.15 | Kaelten | coffee if overrated |
| 03:54.15 | Funkeh` | um |
| 03:54.22 | Funkeh` | wtb |
| 03:54.24 | Funkeh` | sleep |
| 03:54.26 | Funkeh` | so tired |
| 03:54.31 | Kaelten | have your sleep removed |
| 03:54.38 | Funkeh` | If only |
| 03:55.18 | Funkeh` | lets try again |
| 03:55.19 | Funkeh` | nn |
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| 04:01.38 | kenlyric | that worked out well for those guys on the x-files. |
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| 04:24.26 | aestil | ellipsis, you get your spellstrike set yet? |
| 04:25.32 | Ellipsis | aestil, looking for someone to craft it today |
| 04:25.53 | Ellipsis | just got the cash for the mights last night, and hoping a few of my bids went off successfully (haven't logged in yet) |
| 04:26.22 | leech2k | hmm I am getting an error trying to commit my latest update |
| 04:26.34 | Ellipsis | what is the error? |
| 04:26.42 | leech2k | 1 sec waiting for it to come up again :-) |
| 04:27.34 | leech2k | Could not read status line: connection was closed by server. |
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| 04:27.37 | Ellipsis | btw aestil you'll be happy to know I snagged a few veiled noble topaz for cheap ;) |
| 04:27.50 | leech2k | dev.wowace.com still the correct svn right? |
| 04:28.09 | aestil | :) |
| 04:28.19 | aestil | my wife can cut those for me. |
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| 04:28.27 | aestil | i use all runed living rubies mostly though. |
| 04:28.33 | Kaelten | leech2k: yes |
| 04:29.17 | buu | Pesky shadow priests. |
| 04:29.26 | aestil | i gquit buu! |
| 04:29.28 | Ellipsis | I agree |
| 04:29.37 | buu | Hahaha |
| 04:29.39 | buu | Really? |
| 04:29.52 | buu | Ellipsis: They add like 200dps to real classes though |
| 04:29.57 | Silowyi | is there an addon that lets you bind keys to skills instead of to hotkey bars? |
| 04:30.50 | Ellipsis | yeah, yeah, but they still suck :P |
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| 04:31.04 | Ellipsis | l2healbot IMO. |
| 04:31.14 | Codayus_ | Silowyi: SpellBinder I think, and a few others. |
| 04:31.21 | aestil | bongos can do that i belive. |
| 04:31.30 | Silowyi | I had a rogue the other day telling me that rogues in pvp have serious mobility issues |
| 04:31.30 | aestil | whats the / command for restart graphics? |
| 04:31.33 | Silowyi | and I was like what? |
| 04:31.45 | Silowyi | and he says that it's "all but impossible for me to catch a druid or a mage." |
| 04:31.48 | Ellipsis | aestil: /console gxrestart |
| 04:32.00 | Silowyi | and I'm like "gg picking the two classes that you're supposed to have trouble catching." |
| 04:32.01 | Silowyi | :P |
| 04:32.16 | Silowyi | l2 deadly throw imo. |
| 04:32.51 | Ellipsis | oh noes, it's impossible to catch someone with sprint/blink? no wai |
| 04:33.03 | Silowyi | no no, see, his argument was |
| 04:33.27 | Silowyi | a mage's "escape" moves are on much shorter cooldowns than vanish, clos, trinket, or sprint. |
| 04:33.56 | Ellipsis | so he's complaining because there is a class he can't catch? |
| 04:33.58 | Silowyi | DUH! cause if a mage can't get away from a rogue, they are dead, very quickly |
| 04:34.00 | Ellipsis | *a* class? |
| 04:34.01 | Silowyi | yes |
| 04:34.06 | Silowyi | not just complaining |
| 04:34.15 | Silowyi | citing it as a serious issue with the rogue class |
| 04:35.05 | Ellipsis | IMO, my class (warlock) is at a disadvantage because we have no movement speed increasing abilities, no useful tracking abilities, not enough hard-hitting spells, and no PoM! |
| 04:35.19 | Ellipsis | oh, and fear is over-nerfed, duh |
| 04:35.40 | kenlyric | anyone use cooldowncount and notice it doesn't put them on the pet bar anymore? |
| 04:35.42 | buu | AGREED |
| 04:35.44 | Ellipsis | we need an instant cast AE fear with no mob limit that lasts 30 seconds and has a 5% chance of breaking early |
| 04:35.44 | buu | Buff warlocks. |
| 04:35.45 | Silowyi | I still remember that post in the warlock forums |
| 04:35.56 | Silowyi | about warlock survivability |
| 04:36.03 | buu | It needs a buff. |
| 04:36.12 | buu | Perhaps a shadowform that decreases physical damage by 10%. |
| 04:36.20 | Silowyi | yeah it went like this |
| 04:36.49 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: check its thread, the author posted about that change and several people asked to make it optional |
| 04:37.14 | Silowyi | Other than fear, howl of terror, death coil, fel armor, seduction or pet charge, soul link, or curse of exhaustion, we have no way to keep melee off of us. |
| 04:37.37 | Ellipsis | I know, srsly |
| 04:37.39 | buu | Nice summary |
| 04:37.48 | buu | Not sure how fel armour fits in there though |
| 04:38.08 | Silowyi | well reduces the damage you take from melee |
| 04:38.14 | buu | Well, no.. |
| 04:38.25 | Ellipsis | uh...since when? |
| 04:38.28 | Ellipsis | WTB that! |
| 04:38.51 | buu | All I really want out of wotlk is new demons to summon and the ability to cast multiple curses |
| 04:38.54 | Silowyi | maybe I'm thinking of demon armor |
| 04:38.56 | buu | Or at least make coa a non curse |
| 04:39.14 | buu | Silowyi: Ya know, if you could stack demon armor and fel armor, it'd be pretty awesome |
| 04:39.17 | kenlyric | thanthanks Ellipsis |
| 04:39.24 | buu | But demon armor is like, 800 armor and 4hp/s |
| 04:40.05 | Silowyi | I didn't write the post :P |
| 04:40.20 | Ellipsis | buu: and flying demon form that gives us 2x HP and 1k spell damage, plus decent melee power |
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| 04:40.47 | Ellipsis | amirite? |
| 04:41.00 | buu | Fair and balanced. |
| 04:41.01 | kenlyric | hmmm.. might have to switch to omnicc |
| 04:41.04 | aestil | a warlock complaining about the best class in the game right now sounds kinda funny to me. |
| 04:41.30 | buu | Ellipsis: I can't decide if a melee demon form would be awesome or not. |
| 04:41.43 | buu | Ellipsis: I vacillate between "completely awesome" and "completely terrible" |
| 04:41.48 | Nosrac | buu: Well, You might as well get both, ya know? |
| 04:42.01 | buu | I've always wanted to be illidan. |
| 04:42.12 | Nosrac | lol |
| 04:42.17 | buu | For the love of fuck, where is our summonable flying mount? |
| 04:42.25 | buu | I will honestly pay another 5000 for one |
| 04:42.29 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 04:42.42 | Ellipsis | srsly, Blizz totally dropped the ball there. |
| 04:42.55 | buu | Stupid droods. |
| 04:42.59 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 04:43.00 | Ellipsis | actually |
| 04:43.13 | Ellipsis | I switched characters from my warlock to my druid during TBC... |
| 04:43.23 | Ellipsis | so I actually got the best of both worlds in terms of free mounts =] |
| 04:43.28 | Nosrac | lol |
| 04:43.44 | Nosrac | but in the end you pay a little less than double for the standard class ;-o |
| 04:43.58 | buu | Nosrac: Huh? |
| 04:44.18 | leech2k | Error: MERGE of '/wowace/trunk/dgks': Could not read status line: connection was closed by server. (http://dev.wowace.com) |
| 04:44.19 | Nosrac | So, you get ONE free Flying Mount, but you still have to buy ANOTHER! Both Mounts Free for your lock, but your druid needs to buy both! |
| 04:44.31 | leech2k | whoops |
| 04:44.35 | Ellipsis | Nosrac: I gave the lock to my boyfriend after I hit 70 =] |
| 04:44.37 | Nosrac | I'm still trying to figure out where the "less than" part comes on |
| 04:44.40 | Nosrac | Gotch |
| 04:44.41 | Nosrac | a |
| 04:44.41 | Ellipsis | he can do the epic mount crap, haha |
| 04:44.44 | Nosrac | lol |
| 04:44.54 | buu | Nosrac: I don't understand that at all |
| 04:45.36 | Ellipsis | sadly I had to buy my lock's flyer (and will someday pay for the epic one) =[ |
| 04:45.50 | Silowyi | devs have actually said that warlock/paladin flying mounts are being considered |
| 04:45.55 | Silowyi | but I think they just said it to shut people up |
| 04:46.14 | Silowyi | kinda like "fear ward won't be an issue in the Burning Crusade" |
| 04:46.23 | buu | Silowyi: Fuckers. |
| 04:46.44 | Ellipsis | yeah |
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| 04:46.56 | Silowyi | I want the horde to have fear ward |
| 04:46.56 | Ellipsis | being considered = stfu so we can do something completely different |
| 04:47.02 | buu | =[ |
| 04:47.05 | buu | Poor little warlocks. |
| 04:47.07 | Silowyi | give the horde fear ward |
| 04:47.15 | Silowyi | give us 5% more hp or 30% stun resist |
| 04:47.16 | buu | At least we have salvation now. |
| 04:47.21 | Silowyi | or WotF |
| 04:47.28 | buu | Pah, you don't deserve it. |
| 04:47.36 | Silowyi | or frickin war stomp :P |
| 04:47.50 | buu | Is it just me, or are all the allied races really stupid looking? Except maybe dwarves. |
| 04:48.02 | Silowyi | depends |
| 04:48.08 | Silowyi | female night elves aren't so bad |
| 04:48.19 | Ellipsis | which is why there's 5722795923569726453 of them on every server |
| 04:48.23 | Silowyi | yup |
| 04:48.35 | buu | Something about all of the models has really started to annoy me. I'm not sure why. |
| 04:48.41 | Ellipsis | and if they play a healer, they're mouse-turners and clickers and failures in general =[ |
| 04:49.12 | Silowyi | mouse-turning = good |
| 04:49.15 | Ellipsis | I had the worst trouble when I played a blood elf female |
| 04:49.18 | Silowyi | clicking = bad |
| 04:49.22 | Ellipsis | er, key-turners, sorry Silowyi :P |
| 04:49.36 | kenlyric | hey, night elf healers are keyboard turners. |
| 04:49.40 | Ellipsis | the problem with blood elves is that spin-jump... |
| 04:49.44 | kenlyric | I never turned at all. |
| 04:49.44 | Silowyi | "But if I use my mouse to turn how can I click rend?" |
| 04:49.47 | Ellipsis | they always spin the EXACT SAME WAY |
| 04:50.03 | Ellipsis | I like symmetry...I want to alternate spinning clockwise and counterclockwise |
| 04:50.05 | kenlyric | Silowyi: it's the new casual mantra. |
| 04:50.06 | buu | Ellipsis: Haha, I spend like 95% of my time hitting the spacebar |
| 04:50.09 | Ellipsis | is that so difficult, Blizz? RLY? |
| 04:50.09 | buu | So I kind of like it. |
| 04:50.31 | buu | kenlyric: Wow is fucking up my FPS reactions, since I've never remapped strafe off of q and e.. |
| 04:50.50 | Silowyi | rofl |
| 04:50.58 | Ellipsis | I really need to use strafe more - I forget it's there in WoW |
| 04:51.19 | Ellipsis | I tend to right-click and hold while using a/d to strafe |
| 04:51.22 | Ellipsis | which ties up my mouse =[ |
| 04:51.33 | Bibi | FPS are evil. |
| 04:51.37 | Ellipsis | lies! |
| 04:51.39 | Bibi | Spies too :/ |
| 04:51.46 | Bibi | http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2886/nerfspyxm7.jpg |
| 04:51.57 | buu | FPS are the one true game. |
| 04:52.05 | Ellipsis | lulz, I still need to try out TF2 |
| 04:52.12 | Ellipsis | everyone I know has been playing it and telling me how great it is |
| 04:52.14 | Ellipsis | =[ |
| 04:56.35 | aestil | i'm a sad shadow priest. |
| 05:01.54 | Ellipsis | eep |
| 05:02.08 | Ellipsis | remind me to disable all addons when logging onto a new character |
| 05:02.10 | Ellipsis | >_< |
| 05:02.41 | kenlyric | but why? |
| 05:02.46 | kenlyric | that's what default profiles are for :) |
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| 05:04.41 | aestil | i've almost rebuilt all my lost eePanels. |
| 05:05.02 | aestil | losinig 40 + panels up in smoke, along with 15 or so resize scripts makes for a miserable rebuild. |
| 05:05.20 | Gngsk | makes for a clutch backup though! |
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| 05:10.19 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: different account :P |
| 05:10.39 | kenlyric | hmmm. |
| 05:10.54 | Ellipsis | and now I have to go delete SVs for that account because I don't want them on this computer |
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| 05:16.49 | Ellipsis | lulz |
| 05:17.02 | Ellipsis | did you guys see this "Scroll of Resurrection" thing in the Account Options? |
| 05:17.31 | Ellipsis | you can invite someone to re-activate their account with a 10 day TBC trial, and if they subscribe again you get a free month |
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| 05:18.00 | Nargiddley | yep, they have to have been inactive for 90 days tho |
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| 05:18.45 | Ellipsis | that's lame |
| 05:18.58 | NightHawkTheSane | someone recommend give me a us pve server and a draenei class to play. |
| 05:19.00 | Ellipsis | do they really have such a big problem with people quitting? |
| 05:19.09 | Ellipsis | play on my server NightHawkTheSane! |
| 05:19.22 | NightHawkTheSane | .. see,that's not what i asked for. |
| 05:19.26 | Ellipsis | =[ |
| 05:19.47 | NightHawkTheSane | well i'm not saying i wouldn't. |
| 05:20.10 | NightHawkTheSane | But i very clearly asked for two things, and you provided neither. :) |
| 05:20.26 | Ellipsis | Cenarius and uh...pally |
| 05:21.05 | NightHawkTheSane | works for me. |
| 05:21.28 | NightHawkTheSane | (but don't get your hopes up, I'm just looking for a server to screw around on when I don't feel like playing on my main server) |
| 05:21.32 | Ellipsis | no problem |
| 05:21.45 | Ellipsis | I don't have any friends, and even a random casual alt is better than nothing XD |
| 05:22.11 | NightHawkTheSane | now I need a name. |
| 05:22.49 | Ellipsis | Draeneipally |
| 05:22.52 | Ellipsis | lulz |
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| 05:23.53 | NightHawkTheSane | nah, I hate joke names like that |
| 05:24.04 | Ellipsis | randomize? |
| 05:25.11 | kenlyric | I like joke names for pallies. |
| 05:25.22 | kenlyric | my BE pallies have been Prettiest, Bothways, and Bottoms |
| 05:25.31 | Ellipsis | pallies are enough of a joke already ^-^ |
| 05:25.36 | kenlyric | Prettiest became a hunter and Bothways became a mage. |
| 05:31.32 | kenlyric | melethamar |
| 05:31.36 | kenlyric | Earth lover. |
| 05:31.39 | kenlyric | works for druids or shammies |
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| 05:35.42 | Knaledge | Is there any way to disable the text fr the name of the mob I am casting against from the cast bar? |
| 05:35.50 | Knaledge | I start casting "Fireball" and that appears as |
| 05:35.56 | Knaledge | "Fireball" |
| 05:36.03 | Knaledge | as soon as it hits my target and I cast again |
| 05:36.05 | Knaledge | it says... |
| 05:36.12 | Ellipsis | Knaledge: with default or an addon? |
| 05:36.14 | Knaledge | "Fireball (mob_name_here)" |
| 05:36.19 | Knaledge | Pitbull, sorry |
| 05:37.06 | Knaledge | it just really clutters the cast bar text. |
| 05:37.57 | Lukian | Knaledge, pitbull is apparently full featured. so either learn to use it, or use something lighter :P |
| 05:38.05 | Knaledge | ... |
| 05:38.12 | Knaledge | Lukian go ahead and find the option |
| 05:38.18 | Knaledge | You tell me where you see it |
| 05:38.24 | Knaledge | Because I definitely looked. |
| 05:38.40 | Lukian | Knaledge, I can't stand to use Pitbull, it uses far too many resources :) |
| 05:38.51 | Knaledge | Then... don't offer help? |
| 05:39.01 | Lukian | I wasn't :p |
| 05:39.09 | Knaledge | you made that obvious. |
| 05:39.19 | Knaledge | Then again, you know what they say about assuming |
| 05:39.19 | Lukian | :D |
| 05:39.30 | Knaledge | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.36 | Lukian | yay! :) |
| 05:40.14 | Ellipsis | Knaledge: I'm fairly sure you can't change that, the cast bar is not really set up like the other bars with separate texts |
| 05:40.29 | Knaledge | Hrm. |
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| 05:48.59 | theoddone33 | reading about reliquary of souls |
| 05:49.09 | theoddone33 | the more I learn about pve the more I think it isn't worth the effort |
| 05:49.11 | theoddone33 | heh |
| 05:55.54 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 05:56.00 | Ellipsis | but it's fun |
| 05:56.12 | Ellipsis | not like PvP where it's just a contest between who's cheaper |
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| 06:14.33 | xyu | is there a way to equip new bags using Sanity? |
| 06:14.56 | xyu | (if you hide the bliz bag bar) |
| 06:15.32 | NightHawkTheSane | I think right-clicking a bag by default tries to equip it if you have space |
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| 06:29.22 | Killmore2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:38.59 | NimbleRabit | I jsut wanted to get on and say THANK YOU to whoever created this Rock thing |
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| 06:41.34 | Ellipsis | Killmore2, if that girl wasn't so hot, I'd want to smack her in the face :P |
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| 06:45.18 | cncfanatics | hello ppl |
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| 07:03.04 | Ellipsis | omgz, why does the sushi here have to be so awesome |
| 07:03.25 | Mudkipz | I've noticed some people using this word wip in their ui SS |
| 07:03.38 | Mudkipz | @_@ |
| 07:03.53 | Mudkipz | I'm lost |
| 07:03.55 | Ellipsis | apparently people sometimes actually finish UIs |
| 07:04.25 | Lukian | "wip?" |
| 07:04.29 | Mudkipz | no idea |
| 07:04.33 | Mudkipz | http://deep.phpwebhosting.com/~paradox/upload/wip.PNG |
| 07:04.41 | Lukian | work in progress :p |
| 07:04.52 | Mudkipz | oh I see |
| 07:05.06 | Lukian | I fucking love Mudkipz ! :D |
| 07:05.09 | Mudkipz | so this is eepanels2? I can't get my border that bright |
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| 07:05.33 | Lukian | 53MB memory usage /sigh |
| 07:05.44 | Mudkipz | T_T |
| 07:06.26 | Lukian | i love how everyone has imbued netherweave bags now :p |
| 07:06.35 | Mudkipz | I have my border color set the brightest of brightest of orange and it still looks brown -_- |
| 07:06.58 | Mudkipz | I hate that guy's ui by the way... so much usless clutter |
| 07:06.58 | Ellipsis | I'm working on primal mooncloths... |
| 07:06.59 | Ellipsis | >_> |
| 07:07.02 | Lukian | ony bag, rep bag, halloween bags (unless they upgrade them to 20slot? :P) are all useless |
| 07:07.26 | Ellipsis | do you know how freaking impossible it is to sell mooncloth bags nowadays? |
| 07:07.38 | Lukian | yup |
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| 07:08.51 | Lukian | Mudkipz, lol @ them having argent dawn rep selected |
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| 07:10.31 | Mudkipz | any ideas on his eepanels border? |
| 07:10.55 | Mudkipz | or is some other border layout? mine is set to some roth whatever I can't remember the name right now |
| 07:11.05 | Nargiddley | at a guess its a grey panel with a smaller black one inside |
| 07:11.21 | Nargiddley | look at the top 3 action buttons |
| 07:11.42 | Mudkipz | oh yeah huh |
| 07:12.10 | Nargiddley | might be a different way, havent played around with borders much |
| 07:12.19 | Mudkipz | damn I wonder how many panels that maged used in another SS i saw |
| 07:12.41 | Mudkipz | he basically had a bright blue border (kinda like the shamans) but about 2 pixels inside |
| 07:12.55 | Mudkipz | so its grey | blue | grey |
| 07:13.30 | Mudkipz | everything looks so precise though |
| 07:13.47 | Nargiddley | yeah, looking at how many i'm starting to wonder |
| 07:14.02 | Ellipsis | I just created a solid border for mine...works wonders |
| 07:14.03 | Mudkipz | :-/ |
| 07:14.10 | cncfanatics | Nargiddley ! :o |
| 07:14.14 | Ellipsis | saved me about 12 hours of adjusting fake border panels |
| 07:14.14 | Mudkipz | another I saw a gradient border |
| 07:14.29 | Mudkipz | it was solid and faded to black going down |
| 07:15.09 | cncfanatics | Nargiddley, I put FB support in drd recently, can u make sure I didnt break anything ? |
| 07:15.12 | Mudkipz | this is what mine looks like at the moment |
| 07:15.16 | Mudkipz | http://xs.to/xs.php?f=WoWScrnShot_092107_222305.jpg&h=xs319&d=07386 |
| 07:15.32 | Nargiddley | hm ? |
| 07:16.18 | Ellipsis | that's pretty nice, Mudkipz |
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| 07:16.58 | Mudkipz | could be better if I can get those borders fixed |
| 07:17.08 | Mudkipz | thats bright orange >_< |
| 07:17.11 | Mudkipz | comes out as brown |
| 07:17.12 | Ellipsis | my UI is kind of a mess because in the middle of setting it up (and re-coding parts of it) I got accepted to a raiding guild and had to focus on actually playing =[ |
| 07:17.23 | Ellipsis | interesting - what texture are you using? |
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| 07:18.06 | Mudkipz | litesteplite |
| 07:18.21 | Ellipsis | for the eePanels borders? |
| 07:18.23 | Ellipsis | o.o |
| 07:18.25 | Mudkipz | oh no |
| 07:18.26 | Mudkipz | sec |
| 07:19.09 | Mudkipz | RothSquare ~_~ |
| 07:19.21 | Mudkipz | it's all I got |
| 07:19.52 | orionshock | morning all |
| 07:20.00 | Ellipsis | hm |
| 07:20.27 | Ellipsis | Mudkipz, if changing the transparency doesn't work, it's probably an issue with the texture not being 100% white |
| 07:20.38 | Ellipsis | I can send you a plain solid border texture if you need it |
| 07:20.53 | Mudkipz | did you make it yourself? |
| 07:21.20 | Mudkipz | I really think it's the texture |
| 07:21.31 | Mudkipz | I have it set at 100% on white and it's grey |
| 07:22.06 | Ellipsis | yes, I made my texture by hand (though it takes quite little work for something basic like that) |
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| 07:22.36 | Mudkipz | dcc? |
| 07:22.49 | Ellipsis | I'll give it a try |
| 07:24.35 | Ellipsis | did you get that? |
| 07:24.38 | Mudkipz | yeah |
| 07:24.50 | Mudkipz | it's gone now |
| 07:24.57 | Ellipsis | "Awaiting reply" |
| 07:25.09 | Ellipsis | bah, know any image hosts that allow .tga? |
| 07:25.27 | Mudkipz | how big is it? |
| 07:25.30 | Ellipsis | tiny |
| 07:25.38 | Ellipsis | lemme check |
| 07:25.45 | NightHawkTheSane | email works wonders |
| 07:26.44 | Ellipsis | wow, even bayimg which advertises 140 supported formats doesn't allow .tga |
| 07:27.07 | Ellipsis | the file is 664 bytes, Mudkipz =] |
| 07:27.08 | Mudkipz | msn/aim/gmail is fine too |
| 07:27.14 | Mudkipz | ;_; |
| 07:27.26 | Ellipsis | what's your gmail? |
| 07:27.32 | Ellipsis | I'll just email it real quick |
| 07:30.43 | Mudkipz | did you get that? |
| 07:30.54 | Ellipsis | nope |
| 07:30.57 | Ellipsis | >_> |
| 07:30.57 | Mudkipz | no notice? |
| 07:31.02 | Mudkipz | lulz |
| 07:31.02 | Ellipsis | nup |
| 07:31.08 | Ellipsis | apparently that's blocked or something |
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| 07:31.23 | Mudkipz | what about that? |
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| 07:31.48 | Ellipsis | there, I set unfiltered - try now |
| 07:32.00 | Ellipsis | gotcha, thanks |
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| 07:32.38 | Mudkipz | incoming male enhancement spam ^^ |
| 07:32.45 | Ellipsis | haha |
| 07:32.46 | Ellipsis | sent'd |
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| 07:34.03 | Mudkipz | ty |
| 07:34.13 | Ellipsis | np :D |
| 07:35.12 | CIA-22 | 03rabbit * r49559 10ClosetGnome/ClosetGnome.lua: ClosetGnome: Also process queued sets when the player resurrects. |
| 07:36.15 | Ellipsis | lemme know how that works out for ya Mudkipz |
| 07:36.40 | Mudkipz | want to me a gmail friend? I have it set up on pidgin so I don't have to log on for gchat |
| 07:37.59 | Ellipsis | I don't use my WoW gmail on gtalk (yet) |
| 07:38.20 | Ellipsis | I might have to add it to pidgin though, 'cause I'm starting to talk to more WoW people x.x |
| 07:38.53 | Mudkipz | so you use pidgin too |
| 07:38.56 | Ellipsis | yarly! |
| 07:39.09 | Mudkipz | have you been able to get rid of those made up away messages? |
| 07:39.18 | Ellipsis | made up away messages? o.O |
| 07:39.29 | Mudkipz | for example, (away)_____ <--- type under that blank editbox |
| 07:39.39 | Ellipsis | oh |
| 07:39.40 | Ellipsis | god |
| 07:39.44 | Mudkipz | they add up |
| 07:39.54 | Ellipsis | I hate when that pops up because I accidentally mouse over that thingy while scrolling through my list |
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| 07:40.17 | Ellipsis | yeah I have no idea about that |
| 07:40.35 | Ellipsis | I don't use custom ones very often, just enough that the list is annoyingly large |
| 07:41.00 | Mudkipz | devs need to fix that |
| 07:41.41 | Ellipsis | yeah, go put in a ticket :P |
| 07:44.20 | Mudkipz | *drool* notepad++ |
| 07:44.24 | Mudkipz | the win |
| 07:44.38 | Ellipsis | but notepad++ fails @ lua |
| 07:45.12 | Mudkipz | I'm not a coder, muahahah |
| 07:45.25 | Ellipsis | then what the heck are you using it for? :P |
| 07:45.39 | Mudkipz | I dont know why I have it |
| 07:45.56 | Mudkipz | but its helluva lot better than regular notepad |
| 07:46.07 | Mudkipz | colors! |
| 07:46.12 | Mudkipz | hahahah |
| 07:46.13 | Ellipsis | yeah but so are about 12 other (more lightweight) things :P |
| 07:46.22 | cncfanatics | gvim = win |
| 07:46.22 | Lukian | including wordpad |
| 07:47.37 | Ellipsis | ooh |
| 07:47.42 | Ellipsis | found the XML file for those Mudkipz |
| 07:47.59 | Ellipsis | it's in AppData\.purple\status.xml |
| 07:48.07 | Ellipsis | pretty sure nuking it will fix the problem :P |
| 07:48.55 | Mudkipz | where the heck is AppData |
| 07:49.13 | Ellipsis | um, Documents and Settings\YourUser\Application Data\ |
| 07:49.15 | Mudkipz | o noes not C |
| 07:49.19 | Mudkipz | urgh |
| 07:49.46 | Mudkipz | oh for pidgin |
| 07:49.58 | Mudkipz | I was confused for a second... ( what did that have to do with borders) haha |
| 07:50.02 | Ellipsis | lol |
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| 07:51.09 | Fisker- | 1+1 = 2 |
| 07:51.21 | Lukian | lua> 1+2 |
| 07:51.29 | Lukian | aww sad :( |
| 07:51.34 | Fisker- | ownt |
| 07:51.47 | Lukian | go hack the ptr's :p |
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| 07:54.20 | Fisker- | no u |
| 07:54.30 | cncfanatics | 2 trolls together, how swet |
| 07:54.34 | cncfanatics | s/swet/sweet/ |
| 07:55.34 | Ellipsis | I love purl |
| 07:56.10 | cncfanatics | purl, you suck |
| 07:56.11 | purl | and very well I might add |
| 07:56.34 | Ellipsis | purl, will you marry me? |
| 07:56.34 | purl | no, ellipsis, I prefer virile men. |
| 07:56.41 | cncfanatics | roflmao owned |
| 07:56.41 | Ellipsis | oh =[ |
| 07:57.15 | Mudkipz | wtf, I already registered the border |
| 07:57.22 | Mudkipz | wonders why eepanel wont see it |
| 07:57.25 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, u got owned by purl :p |
| 07:57.30 | Ellipsis | I did |
| 07:57.38 | Ellipsis | I'm going to go drink my broken heart away |
| 07:58.49 | Mudkipz | oh lawd |
| 07:59.10 | Mudkipz | I can't be a good coder at all. I make overlook mistakes often |
| 07:59.18 | Ellipsis | hehe, what'd you do? |
| 07:59.35 | Mudkipz | or maybe I just need shut eye |
| 08:00.54 | Mudkipz | well first I typoed REgister and forgot to replace the name for Solid |
| 08:01.11 | Ellipsis | heh |
| 08:01.40 | Mudkipz | oh man thats bright |
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| 08:06.48 | cncfanatics | ~Mudkips |
| 08:06.53 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 08:06.54 | cncfanatics | purl, Mudkips is bright |
| 08:06.54 | purl | cncfanatics: okay |
| 08:07.01 | Ellipsis | ~fail Mudkipz |
| 08:07.02 | purl | Mudkipz: Fail. |
| 08:07.05 | cncfanatics | purl, forget Mudkips |
| 08:07.05 | purl | cncfanatics: i forgot mudkips |
| 08:07.09 | cncfanatics | purl, Mudkipz is bright |
| 08:07.10 | purl | okay, cncfanatics |
| 08:07.12 | cncfanatics | ~Mudkipz |
| 08:07.12 | purl | somebody said mudkipz was bright |
| 08:07.19 | Ellipsis | ~cncfanatics |
| 08:07.20 | purl | [cncfanatics] the flexbar2 author |
| 08:07.26 | Ellipsis | hm |
| 08:07.28 | Ellipsis | ~ellipsis |
| 08:07.31 | Ellipsis | aww |
| 08:07.35 | Ellipsis | purl, do you hate me? |
| 08:07.36 | purl | yes, I hate me. |
| 08:07.40 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 08:07.43 | Ellipsis | emo-bot |
| 08:07.49 | orionshock | very |
| 08:07.49 | buu | Yeah, they are. |
| 08:08.06 | orionshock | CIA-22 is emo too ... but in a quiet sense |
| 08:08.10 | buu | This one is a poor purl though =[ |
| 08:08.18 | Ellipsis | ~buu |
| 08:08.19 | Mudkipz | purl, cut yourself |
| 08:08.22 | Ellipsis | lulz |
| 08:08.23 | Mudkipz | do it |
| 08:08.26 | Mudkipz | chicken |
| 08:08.30 | Ellipsis | ~purl |
| 08:08.30 | purl | it has been said that purl is teh b0m8 |
| 08:08.40 | Ellipsis | purl, purl is emo |
| 08:08.41 | purl | ...but purl is already something else... |
| 08:08.49 | Ellipsis | purl, forget purl |
| 08:08.49 | purl | Ellipsis: i forgot purl |
| 08:08.50 | buu | It makes me miss the real purl, sort of. |
| 08:08.52 | Ellipsis | purl, purl is emo |
| 08:08.53 | purl | Ellipsis: okay |
| 08:08.55 | Ellipsis | ~purl |
| 08:08.56 | purl | purl is probably emo |
| 08:08.56 | buu | Except that one is way more annoying. |
| 08:08.58 | Fisker- | purl gtfo |
| 08:08.59 | purl | Sorry sir, I won't bother you anymore. |
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| 08:09.07 | Ellipsis | I didn't say probably dammit! |
| 08:09.20 | buu | purl: emo-purl is <action>cuts self |
| 08:09.20 | purl | buu: okay |
| 08:09.24 | buu | purl: emo-purl |
| 08:09.25 | purl | ACTION cuts self |
| 08:09.32 | Ellipsis | lulz |
| 08:09.39 | orionshock | lol |
| 08:10.17 | Mudkipz | is this a custom border texture? http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9638/currr1re5.jpg |
| 08:10.36 | orionshock | yep it's an emo bot |
| 08:10.39 | Mudkipz | it doesn't look right without a 1 pixel border around my border |
| 08:10.48 | Ellipsis | Mudkipz, the borders are gradients, so that means they're actually panels x.x |
| 08:11.20 | Ellipsis | top border is solid brown, bottom border is solid black, side borders are brown->black gradients, all with 1px border of brown |
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| 08:11.40 | Ellipsis | although.. |
| 08:11.54 | Mudkipz | yeah... |
| 08:11.56 | Ellipsis | it could be done with a background panel with gradient |
| 08:11.57 | Ellipsis | hmm |
| 08:12.03 | Ellipsis | on second thought that's probably it |
| 08:12.08 | Mudkipz | they all have a nice outline on them |
| 08:12.14 | Ellipsis | one panel with the gradient and a 1px border |
| 08:12.23 | _dreamss | Error During Download: System.Net.WebException: Unable to connect to the remote server ---> System.Net.Sockets.SocketException: The attempted operation is not supported for the type of object referenced |
| 08:12.29 | _dreamss | any idea what this means? |
| 08:12.36 | Ellipsis | then a second solid black panel ~5px smaller all around, again 1px border |
| 08:13.16 | Ellipsis | _dreamss: I think there might have been an error during the download. probably unable to connect to the remote server. |
| 08:13.33 | Ellipsis | in fact, I'm guessing the attempted operation is not supported for the type of object referenced |
| 08:13.51 | _dreamss | just installed newest WAU |
| 08:14.44 | Mudkipz | I"ll install align tomorrow and mess with it |
| 08:14.53 | Mudkipz | sleep beckons |
| 08:14.58 | Ellipsis | _dreamss: I think that's the winsock corruption bug |
| 08:15.44 | Ellipsis | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8298.0 |
| 08:15.50 | Ellipsis | #5-6 |
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| 08:17.12 | Fisker- | it said kills not attempts to |
| 08:17.13 | _dreamss | allways hapens when i update WUA |
| 08:17.29 | Fisker- | do you have any kind of systemwide proxy service running? |
| 08:17.38 | Mudkipz | e-actions don't work that way |
| 08:18.09 | Ellipsis | Fisker- fails at RP |
| 08:18.11 | Ellipsis | =] |
| 08:18.21 | Ellipsis | you gotta leave openings, dude! |
| 08:18.31 | _dreamss | Mudkipz, next time ankh up and finish him off |
| 08:19.32 | Fisker- | so mr. _dreamss |
| 08:19.35 | Fisker- | what is your answer? |
| 08:19.43 | buu | Jesus. |
| 08:19.44 | _dreamss | ? |
| 08:20.15 | _dreamss | what was the q |
| 08:20.24 | _dreamss | dam irc bnc names ! |
| 08:20.26 | _dreamss | bah |
| 08:20.53 | _dreamss | Update Complete (9/23/2007 1:21:04 AM, total seconds: 15.69) |
| 08:20.54 | _dreamss | oh shit |
| 08:20.55 | _dreamss | nice |
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| 08:21.31 | Fisker- | _dreamss the question was if you have any form for proxy running? |
| 08:21.47 | _dreamss | oh |
| 08:21.50 | Fisker- | Some proxies will corrupt winsock and will need to be turned off while updating |
| 08:21.52 | _dreamss | it was insock corruption |
| 08:22.07 | _dreamss | proxycap maybe |
| 08:22.51 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 08:22.52 | Fisker- | definitely |
| 08:22.58 | Fisker- | same software i use |
| 08:23.06 | _dreamss | ok, i just updated my addons with automatic dep download, will WUA download rock? |
| 08:23.24 | Fisker- | it should |
| 08:23.34 | _dreamss | yeah its weird cause it hapens only when i update WUA |
| 08:25.02 | orionshock | WAU -- and once you get to 1.9.44 or above it should auto update it'self |
| 08:27.10 | _dreamss | sweet i been afraaid of updating but all working fine |
| 08:28.26 | cncfanatics | <3 <3 <3 slouken |
| 08:28.34 | Ellipsis | what'd he do now |
| 08:28.50 | cncfanatics | including tons of stuff that I'm loving in 2.3 |
| 08:29.05 | cncfanatics | lots of missing API when ur not using actionid's |
| 08:30.05 | Fisker- | your mother |
| 08:30.16 | cncfanatics | FIsker-, we all know you have 2 fathers |
| 08:30.21 | orionshock | anyone know where the BEST working version of GEM is? |
| 08:31.22 | Bibi | www.mmo-champion.com/boubouille/goggles.jpg |
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| 08:32.04 | cncfanatics | bibi, I could get u banned with that :p |
| 08:32.20 | Bibi | leather gnomes > you |
| 08:33.37 | Fisker- | fucking awesome Bibi |
| 08:33.45 | Fisker- | does it work for enemy npc's as well? :P |
| 08:34.27 | Fisker- | whatcha gonna do? |
| 08:34.43 | Bibi | yes Fisker- |
| 08:34.43 | Bibi | :D |
| 08:34.49 | Bibi | actually it works on all humanoids |
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| 08:35.04 | Fisker- | ooh illidan! |
| 08:35.08 | Fisker- | DO ITR |
| 08:35.12 | Fisker- | IT* |
| 08:35.28 | Fisker- | it's a shame they disabled worldport |
| 08:38.17 | Bibi | Lady Vashj too Fisker- |
| 08:38.24 | Bibi | Majordomo ... :D |
| 08:38.36 | Bibi | The big bad wolf ! |
| 08:38.38 | Killmore2 | anyone know a website to search on armory with class/spec/gear ? A way to find someone who stealth gquit and xfer ? |
| 08:38.52 | Bibi | and actually, Gruul is a humanoid too |
| 08:39.35 | Fisker- | haha |
| 08:39.38 | Fisker- | would be fun in gruul |
| 08:39.41 | Fisker- | how do you get the goggles? |
| 08:39.53 | Bibi | 100 tickets |
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| 08:41.16 | Fisker- | nooo |
| 08:41.16 | Fisker- | u |
| 08:41.21 | Fisker- | should be permanent then |
| 08:41.43 | Fisker- | how long does it last and can you get the mount the first time? |
| 08:42.28 | Bibi | I'd say probably |
| 08:45.13 | renchap | Babble-Boss-2.2 requires AceLibrary |
| 08:45.23 | renchap | i got this error about 400 times |
| 08:45.43 | Gngsk | better give it what it wants |
| 08:45.44 | renchap | do you know what happens ? :) |
| 08:45.57 | renchap | (ace2 is loaded) |
| 08:46.10 | Ellipsis | load order issues? :P |
| 08:47.13 | Ellipsis | Babble-Boss-2.2 has an Ace2 OptDep, so are you sure your Ace2 is complete? |
| 08:47.28 | Lukian | Killmore2, why do you care? :o |
| 08:47.54 | renchap | i updated this morning, i didnt have this error yesterday |
| 08:48.37 | Ellipsis | oh, embedded libs eh |
| 08:48.52 | renchap | i dont use embedded :) |
| 08:48.59 | Ellipsis | then it's working :P |
| 08:49.05 | renchap | seems to be rock |
| 08:49.29 | Ellipsis | Babble-2.2 and Babble-Boss-2.2 both OptDep Ace2, so neither one can possibly load without forcing AceLibrary to load |
| 08:49.38 | renchap | i need to figure how i can copy/paste the error, dont work with wine |
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| 08:50.21 | Ellipsis | hm, maybe run an IRC client within it? >_> |
| 08:50.44 | buu | Ellipsis: Someday. |
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| 08:50.56 | buu | Ellipsis: My dream is to do an irc<->wow gateway. |
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| 08:51.49 | Ellipsis | wouldn't that be sexy |
| 08:52.00 | buu | Extremely. |
| 08:52.08 | Ellipsis | the closest I've come is through Xfire's overlay interface |
| 08:52.09 | cncfanatics | wouldnt ever work though |
| 08:52.16 | buu | I have hopes. |
| 08:52.27 | Ellipsis | no reason you can't do an IRC overlay ^-^ |
| 08:52.45 | cncfanatics | hmmm true |
| 08:52.46 | buu | Ellipsis: If I could run wow.. I'd just run wow! |
| 08:52.50 | cncfanatics | but it would be very irritating to type in it |
| 08:52.50 | Ellipsis | then again...in terms of time = money, it's probably cheaper to just buy a G15 :P |
| 08:53.03 | cncfanatics | depends |
| 08:53.03 | Ellipsis | cncfanatics, have you ever used Xfire? it has a halfway-decent in-game interface :P |
| 08:53.06 | buu | Ellipsis: The point is to talk in wow when I don't have wow available |
| 08:53.11 | Ellipsis | ah, I see buu |
| 08:53.15 | Ellipsis | then that's much more doable |
| 08:53.30 | Ellipsis | I think I could probably set it up in under an hour with just the tools I have and only minor scripting >_> |
| 08:53.34 | buu | U |
| 08:53.36 | buu | YUh |
| 08:53.40 | buu | This I'd like to see. |
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| 08:53.44 | Ellipsis | haha |
| 08:53.48 | buu | I'd settle for an outline. |
| 08:53.54 | buu | The merest sentence approaching describing it |
| 08:53.59 | Ellipsis | what I meant to add was, "...if I weren't horribly sleep deprived and in pain" |
| 08:54.06 | buu | Sure thing. |
| 08:54.14 | Ellipsis | I can describe it though :P |
| 08:54.19 | buu | Go for it. |
| 08:54.29 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, i'm on linux |
| 08:54.51 | Ellipsis | I have code that I have used to generate keystrokes in WoW (legitimately, I swear! cough cough) as well as code for an IRC bot |
| 08:54.58 | Ellipsis | I'd really just have to put 2 and 2 togetheer |
| 08:55.06 | buu | How would you read the responses? |
| 08:55.19 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, that'll get u banned with warden sooner or later |
| 08:55.21 | Ellipsis | that's not really possible without OCR :P |
| 08:55.27 | buu | So, er, not so useful? |
| 08:55.36 | Ellipsis | cncfanatics: warden can't detect a binary that's never been distributed |
| 08:55.41 | Cartas | ~seen Kaelten |
| 08:55.43 | purl | kaelten <n=kaelten@c-69-181-47-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 4h 27m 10s ago, saying: 'leech2k: yes'. |
| 08:55.54 | buu | Ellipsis: Well, it could very well detect the api calls involved |
| 08:56.09 | Ellipsis | even so, those API calls are the same ones most keyboard drivers use |
| 08:56.12 | Ellipsis | surely they won't ban drivers |
| 08:56.23 | cncfanatics | hmmm Ellipsis, I wouldnt risk it personaly |
| 08:56.27 | cncfanatics | how does xfire do its ingame shit ? |
| 08:56.28 | buu | I'm not sure about that. |
| 08:56.33 | cncfanatics | sure thats allowed, heck , its xfire |
| 08:56.42 | Ellipsis | cncfanatics: just a directx overlay that you type into |
| 08:56.51 | Ellipsis | only recently added mouse support \o/ |
| 08:57.02 | cncfanatics | well, do the same ? |
| 08:57.05 | Ellipsis | you still have to technically switch focus |
| 08:57.19 | cncfanatics | btw, make it opengl |
| 08:57.21 | Ellipsis | buu was asking for something different |
| 08:57.23 | cncfanatics | so everyone can use it :) |
| 08:57.30 | siIentium | blizz should allow to connect onto their servers with irc clients (with your acc data ofc), so you can join the guild channel, user-made channels etc |
| 08:57.40 | Ellipsis | hahaha |
| 08:57.47 | Ellipsis | Blizz use something non-proprietary?! |
| 08:57.54 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, eh ? |
| 08:58.02 | cncfanatics | u do realize wow has full opengl support right ? |
| 08:58.09 | siIentium | I know it wont happen, but I like the idea |
| 08:58.09 | Ellipsis | that's not what I was referring to |
| 08:58.25 | Ellipsis | I meant siIentium's IRC idea |
| 08:58.28 | cncfanatics | ah |
| 08:58.33 | cncfanatics | well, Ellpsis, ur argument is shit |
| 08:58.35 | cncfanatics | lua is opensource |
| 08:58.49 | Ellipsis | they used (a subset of) an available language |
| 08:59.00 | renchap | here is the error(s) : http://perso.renchap.com/rockbug.jpg |
| 08:59.01 | siIentium | and after all, Blizz' user channels in wow even have some kind of moderation too |
| 08:59.05 | Ellipsis | but their file formats, protocols, and rendering methods are completely proprietary |
| 08:59.21 | siIentium | tga iasnt all that propietary ;) |
| 08:59.23 | cncfanatics | mpq is made by them |
| 08:59.28 | cncfanatics | tga ain't propretary |
| 08:59.29 | Ellipsis | siIentium: .blp is |
| 08:59.30 | cncfanatics | opengl ain't either |
| 08:59.46 | cncfanatics | rendering method ain't proprietary, opengl ;) |
| 08:59.48 | cncfanatics | protocols, no idea |
| 09:00.04 | Ellipsis | all of their textures are stored in .blp format, and directx is the semi-forced default on PCs |
| 09:00.16 | Ellipsis | opengl support is only so they can get mac users |
| 09:00.16 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, O P E N GL :p |
| 09:00.21 | Ellipsis | cncfanatics, ^ |
| 09:00.30 | cncfanatics | so what ? its there and actualy runs better then directx |
| 09:00.40 | Fisker- | they would've left it out if it was mac-only |
| 09:00.43 | Ellipsis | you can't enable it on a PC without hacks to your config.wtf |
| 09:00.46 | _dreamss | does it look better? |
| 09:00.51 | Fisker- | "hacks" |
| 09:00.58 | siIentium | Ellipsis, but your point was Blizz wouldnt use something non-propietary, while in fact they do - that doesnt require them to ONLY use non-propietary stuff |
| 09:01.00 | Ellipsis | editing config.wtf is not recommended by Blizz |
| 09:01.10 | renchap | Ellipsis: did you look to my screenshot ? |
| 09:01.13 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, who gives a fuck ? I do it all the time :p |
| 09:01.21 | Fisker- | no obviously because a guy who doesn't know what to do might screw it up |
| 09:01.26 | Ellipsis | siIentium - my point is they don't willingly use something open, unless forced |
| 09:01.40 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, false |
| 09:01.41 | Fisker- | but many solutions involve changing the config.wtf file |
| 09:01.47 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, lua is opensource |
| 09:01.51 | cncfanatics | they used it willingly |
| 09:01.53 | _dreamss | whats necrosis replacement in ace? |
| 09:01.57 | cncfanatics | nobody god damn forced em to make a scripting engine :p |
| 09:02.04 | Fisker- | you could probably also just write /console gxApi OpenGL and then it would probably be written to the config.wtf |
| 09:02.48 | cncfanatics | oh and Ellipsis, all blizzard games work perfectly on linux, they're the only game makers for which thats the case |
| 09:02.54 | Ellipsis | cncfanatics: a language cannot be open source... |
| 09:02.58 | Fisker- | btw there was the -opengl parameter as well |
| 09:03.04 | Fisker- | although it was disabled for some odd reason |
| 09:03.05 | _dreamss | ,cncfanatics quakeengine? |
| 09:03.13 | _dreamss | and they release it open source |
| 09:03.17 | Ellipsis | lua is one of the *very few* things Blizz adopted from outside rather than developing in-house |
| 09:03.24 | Ellipsis | and I don't know why |
| 09:03.32 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, becuz ur argument is shit ? :p |
| 09:03.38 | Ellipsis | XML is another (although they broke it just as they broke Lua) |
| 09:03.41 | Ellipsis | what argument? |
| 09:03.55 | Ellipsis | all I said is they're never going to support IRC clients because IRC is not their protocol. |
| 09:04.06 | Ellipsis | they use 100% proprietary protocols for game communication |
| 09:04.11 | Fisker- | actually i believe the chatservers use irc |
| 09:04.21 | _dreamss | yeah |
| 09:04.25 | Ellipsis | not RFC compatible IRC, no |
| 09:04.27 | _dreamss | the chat feels very ircish |
| 09:04.30 | _dreamss | actually |
| 09:04.37 | Ellipsis | it's similar, but I believe a complete rewrite |
| 09:04.40 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, why would a company, from a marketing point of view WANT to use proprietary stuff ? it costs money |
| 09:04.48 | Ellipsis | cncfanatics: ask Blizz |
| 09:04.49 | siIentium | no, you didnt only say it for IRC, you said it for non-propietary stuff in general - and stuff doesnt need to be open source to be non-propietary in that case |
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| 09:04.57 | cncfanatics | s/marketing/financial/ |
| 09:05.14 | Ellipsis | siIentium: I never said it did? |
| 09:05.18 | cncfanatics | they just use what suits their needs the best |
| 09:05.24 | cncfanatics | if it happens to be proprietary, so be it |
| 09:05.33 | Ellipsis | lua is not proprietary, I accept that - although I am pointing out that their lua is not "true" lua in that it's somewhat broken |
| 09:05.38 | _dreamss | from a dev side of view, they use the cheapest and esiest solution |
| 09:05.39 | _dreamss | hehe |
| 09:05.41 | Ellipsis | many implementations are either missing or altered |
| 09:05.50 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, ofc there are, they don't want u to do whatever u want |
| 09:05.56 | siIentium | [10:57:49] <Ellipsis> Blizz use something non-proprietary?! <- that sentence doesnt restrict itself to IRC |
| 09:06.18 | Ellipsis | siIentium, it was directed at a suggestion about IRC. the comment was sarcastic (in case you couldn't tell) and exaggerated to a point. |
| 09:07.26 | siIentium | that's the easy way of getting out of contradictions ;> |
| 09:07.40 | Ellipsis | oh geez |
| 09:07.45 | Ellipsis | you guys are going to pick at the wording of a joke? |
| 09:08.01 | cncfanatics | ya |
| 09:08.05 | Ellipsis | I did not intend to state that Blizzard has never ever used anything non-proprietary ever in the entire history of the world. |
| 09:08.12 | Ellipsis | I just meant that they avoid it where possible. |
| 09:08.16 | _dreamss | any chance quartz would use the blizz frames behind the name for cast bar? |
| 09:08.25 | cncfanatics | well Ellipsis, I disagree, I don't think they avoid it :) |
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| 09:08.54 | _dreamss | same for target and focus frame |
| 09:09.00 | _rane | hm, for some reason i can't reset my baggins' new items |
| 09:09.01 | _dreamss | it would save a lot of ui space' |
| 09:09.07 | Ellipsis | and besides, using RFC-compliant IRC would be a poor choice from a dev standpoint for something like WoW |
| 09:09.13 | ckknight | hey all |
| 09:09.23 | Ellipsis | it's not designed for that application, and would not suit the needs at all |
| 09:09.26 | Ellipsis | heya ckknight |
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| 09:09.44 | cncfanatics | hello ckknight |
| 09:09.46 | buu | Ellipsis: Heh, have you seen battle.net? |
| 09:09.50 | _dreamss | not to mention 3rd party irc servers are not controled by blizz |
| 09:09.52 | _dreamss | heh |
| 09:10.01 | Ellipsis | what does that have to do with anything _dreamss? |
| 09:10.03 | siIentium | freenode IRC servers arent fully RFC compliant either ;) in fact, hardly any running IRC server is |
| 09:10.07 | Ellipsis | Blizz would not allow other people to link...lol |
| 09:10.18 | buu | siIentium: Probably because the irc is 3 pages and a sticky note. |
| 09:10.23 | buu | Er, rfc |
| 09:10.27 | Ellipsis | point taken siIentium, but what I mean is compatible with mainstream IRC clients (plz no nitpicks) |
| 09:10.35 | _dreamss | rfc compliant clients just have tor eply to ping and version requests |
| 09:10.37 | _dreamss | i belive |
| 09:10.39 | siIentium | buu: it's quite a bit longer, I've read it |
| 09:10.44 | Ellipsis | no they don't _dreamss |
| 09:11.02 | buu | siIentium: Yeah, but if you compiled all the *useful* information that's what you'd end up with. |
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| 09:11.07 | Ellipsis | they have to reply to raw PING, but ping and version you're talking about is DCC which the original RFC didn't include |
| 09:11.17 | buu | siIentium: Not to mention fucking mirc screwing with it |
| 09:11.18 | _dreamss | i read the rfc a while ago |
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| 09:11.30 | _dreamss | version was added i belive elli |
| 09:11.31 | siIentium | widespread IRC clients work well with channel modes like channel owner and the like, and that's what Blizz uses with their channels too |
| 09:11.33 | cryogen | not DCC, CTCP |
| 09:11.38 | Ellipsis | er, that |
| 09:11.39 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 09:12.10 | _dreamss | ever telnet in an irc server? |
| 09:12.13 | _dreamss | hehe its fun |
| 09:12.17 | siIentium | hehe yeah |
| 09:12.22 | Ellipsis | but guys, since you apparently are familiar with the RFC - what of all the details in there about user authentication, multi-server broadcasting, etc.? |
| 09:12.23 | _dreamss | privmsg dude: lol |
| 09:12.33 | cryogen | IRC is a terrible protocol, and its very not suitable for something like WoW |
| 09:12.33 | Ellipsis | not to mention that PING probably duplicates something already in the WoW proprietary protocol |
| 09:12.37 | buu | _dreamss: :lol |
| 09:12.48 | Ellipsis | cryogen: which is what I said! >_< |
| 09:12.59 | _dreamss | http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/ |
| 09:13.01 | _dreamss | have fun |
| 09:13.08 | buu | Besides, you can omit the colon on a single word body. |
| 09:13.21 | Ellipsis | if your IRCd doesn't choke and die on it |
| 09:13.25 | siIentium | my idea was to allow IRC connections to WoW servers (on a different port than the WoW client uses of cause), and I dont think it's all that hard to map WoW chat functions to IRC ones |
| 09:13.33 | buu | It would deserve it. |
| 09:13.47 | _dreamss | what for sil |
| 09:13.49 | buu | siIentium: Well, no, it would take 15 minutes. |
| 09:13.52 | Ellipsis | siIentium: they'd have to add a separate server for that, and linking those two may not be trivial (depending on their implementation) |
| 09:13.58 | cryogen | doesnt WoW chat system use udp anyway? |
| 09:13.58 | renchap | and what is your nockname on the irc server ? |
| 09:14.02 | renchap | *nickname |
| 09:14.07 | renchap | and easy way for spammers :) |
| 09:14.25 | siIentium | renchap: your char name would be ideal, but your acc name would make authenticating easier |
| 09:14.26 | _dreamss | its gotta be linked to the login auth system |
| 09:14.30 | buu | renchap: Presumably it would have the same "account required" restrictons |
| 09:14.33 | Ellipsis | renchap, someone above suggested authenticating with your WoW login... |
| 09:14.38 | siIentium | IRC knows authenticating on login too |
| 09:14.42 | Ellipsis | which would be absolutely horrible via: plaintext |
| 09:14.43 | renchap | mmh |
| 09:14.52 | renchap | irc passwords are not crypted :) |
| 09:14.52 | buu | Ellipsis: irc over ssl. |
| 09:14.58 | siIentium | then make it use SSL or something |
| 09:15.05 | _dreamss | its not a bad idea but its not necesary for the game |
| 09:15.14 | buu | _dreamss: Neither are epic mounts. |
| 09:15.46 | _dreamss | should just make a better UI dev sandbox so u dont have to use the live servers to make addons |
| 09:15.48 | Ellipsis | if Blizz ever dreamed of allowing you to connect with a stripped down chat-only client, it would most certainly be their own proprietary client, and not using IRC. |
| 09:16.12 | Ellipsis | and as usual the TOS/EULA would specifically disallow reverse-engineering of it |
| 09:16.13 | _dreamss | btw talking about propetary, their patch downloader uses BT |
| 09:16.15 | _dreamss | :P |
| 09:16.21 | buu | Ellipsis: They could do something web based, might work out. |
| 09:16.26 | cryogen | "no, really?" |
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| 09:16.27 | _dreamss | i dint see anyone mention that |
| 09:16.37 | Ellipsis | _dreamss: using a proprietary client |
| 09:16.54 | cryogen | actually they use the open source client with some minor tweaks |
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| 09:17.02 | _dreamss | yeah |
| 09:17.19 | cryogen | and it sucks, hard |
| 09:17.20 | Ellipsis | doesn't matter, it's distributed by them, no other clients are permitted |
| 09:17.20 | siIentium | Ellipsis: but you can as well use other clients if you extract the torrent file from the downloader (it's not that hard), and the background downloader even offers a proper .torrent file already |
| 09:17.35 | cryogen | Ellipsis: sure they are |
| 09:17.38 | Ellipsis | and reverse engineering of THAT is also covered by the TOS/EULA |
| 09:17.43 | Ellipsis | so they could technically ban you for doing so, siIentium |
| 09:17.53 | cncfanatics | silentium, no |
| 09:17.58 | Fisker- | no |
| 09:18.02 | cryogen | no reverse engineering required |
| 09:18.07 | cryogen | its contained in the exe in plaintext |
| 09:18.15 | _dreamss | they only worried u find out how the roll system works |
| 09:18.18 | cncfanatics | ur not decompîling it, just extracting some bites |
| 09:18.19 | _dreamss | and make a roll hack |
| 09:18.24 | Fisker- | as well as extracted in a folder sometimes |
| 09:18.36 | FryGuy | roll system is server side |
| 09:18.41 | _dreamss | ur not even touching the exe, it puts the .torrent in a folder |
| 09:18.44 | Fisker- | we already know what the roll system is |
| 09:18.44 | Ellipsis | I don't care about what their worried about _dreamss, the legality is still an issue even if they won't enforce it :P |
| 09:18.44 | siIentium | it's a simple byte copy from the downloader.exe, nothing cryptographic at all |
| 09:18.47 | _dreamss | i know fry its an example |
| 09:18.48 | Ellipsis | they're* bah |
| 09:18.50 | Fisker- | they already told us |
| 09:19.11 | _dreamss | YES i read it.. just a fucking example |
| 09:19.27 | FryGuy | <_dreamss> they only worried u find out how the roll system works |
| 09:19.33 | FryGuy | doesn't sound like an example :p |
| 09:19.33 | _dreamss | or finding out that cords are kept client side |
| 09:19.34 | Ellipsis | what I'm saying is, they don't want to make it easy to create something compatible |
| 09:19.34 | _dreamss | :P |
| 09:19.38 | Ellipsis | proprietary is their game |
| 09:19.46 | cncfanatics | not really :) |
| 09:19.49 | Ellipsis | (no pun intended) |
| 09:19.51 | siIentium | and as I already said, the background downloader even uses a totally RFC-compliant .torrent file (check your Cache folder if you dont believe it) |
| 09:20.05 | Fisker- | i think the proper word would be they don't want to confuse the user |
| 09:20.12 | Fisker- | A program > a .torrent file |
| 09:20.14 | _dreamss | heh |
| 09:20.19 | _dreamss | exactly |
| 09:20.20 | Ellipsis | siIentium: I don't care, the client is proprietary and the only allowed client according to Blizz. |
| 09:20.21 | siIentium | and offering you a .torrent file, what can be easier to use a non-propietary client? |
| 09:20.32 | _dreamss | most ppl are to retarded and allready having firewall problems |
| 09:20.33 | Ellipsis | (plus I'm not familiar with the torrent protocol, so I can't verify your claim) |
| 09:20.40 | Fisker- | where does it state that it's the only allowed client? |
| 09:20.52 | cncfanatics | I second Fisker-'s question |
| 09:20.53 | Fisker- | and if it was why doesn't their tracker block them? |
| 09:21.04 | Ellipsis | ...if I go look that up, will you guys refrain from attacking my statements until I'm finished? |
| 09:21.04 | siIentium | I doubt they'd put a .torrent file there ifthey didnt want ppl to open it with any other BT client |
| 09:21.13 | _dreamss | i never seen them erase forum posts that mention using 3rd party torrent client |
| 09:21.22 | Ellipsis | last I checked, they never just "put a .torrent file there" |
| 09:21.28 | Ellipsis | they offered a link to the Blizz downloader. |
| 09:21.30 | Fisker- | depends on the download |
| 09:21.36 | Fisker- | pre-load patches get a torrent |
| 09:21.39 | siIentium | Ellipsis: as I already said, check your Cache folder, it's there |
| 09:21.54 | Codayus_ | Which uses torrent files... And yes, please find where they said you shouldn't use your choice of client... |
| 09:22.03 | Ellipsis | siIentium: that's not the same as giving you a link to a .torrent on their patch download page. |
| 09:22.12 | Ellipsis | ...if I go look that up, will you guys refrain from attacking my statements until I'm finished? << |
| 09:22.17 | _dreamss | lets google the forums a bit |
| 09:22.23 | Fisker- | you keep attacking ours |
| 09:22.25 | Ellipsis | apparently not. |
| 09:22.26 | siIentium | the .torrent file was downloaded by the launcher, so no need for a dl link |
| 09:22.38 | Ellipsis | siIentium: all of which is hidden from the user! |
| 09:22.41 | Ellipsis | MY POINT! |
| 09:22.46 | siIentium | rofl |
| 09:22.48 | Fisker- | yes |
| 09:22.51 | Fisker- | and you know why? |
| 09:22.56 | Fisker- | BECAUSE .EXE > .TORRENT |
| 09:23.03 | cncfanatics | most users are too stupid to use .torrent |
| 09:23.04 | siIentium | the actual download URL is listed in log files in the WoW\Log folder |
| 09:23.07 | cncfanatics | smart users can use them if they want |
| 09:23.16 | Fisker- | Blizzard do not want users spamming their forums with "how do i used .torrent ?!+1" |
| 09:23.17 | _dreamss | they catter for noobs |
| 09:23.21 | _dreamss | not advanced users |
| 09:23.22 | _dreamss | :P |
| 09:23.40 | Fisker- | but they still allow people who are technical enough to use whatever client they want |
| 09:24.04 | _dreamss | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=B1BEAA7B8909632BA33081CCD62563D2?topicId=49064925&sid=1&pageNo=6 |
| 09:24.06 | siIentium | and if Blizz wanted to hide that URL from us users, they wouldnt write it to log files on our harddisks (at least not in plain text) |
| 09:24.16 | Ellipsis | Not all patches will be available from external sources. Some smaller patches can only be obtained through the Blizzard Downloader. Again, it is important that you have the Blizzard Downloader functioning properly to help you receive the latest patches. |
| 09:24.19 | Lukian | we even got given a list of worldport locations in the ptr patches :D |
| 09:24.25 | Ellipsis | (emphasis added, taken from the WoW website) |
| 09:24.49 | Codayus_ | Ellipsis: That proves our point, and disproves yours... |
| 09:24.50 | _dreamss | dosent say your not allowed to use 3rd party programs for patches |
| 09:25.00 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 09:25.10 | _dreamss | just says, NOOBS use our shit so it works |
| 09:25.21 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, you realize I don't have the blizzard downloader working right ? |
| 09:25.28 | cncfanatics | as it doesnt work on linux well |
| 09:25.28 | Ellipsis | no, their "external sources" meant the http mirrors. |
| 09:25.37 | Fisker- | exactly |
| 09:25.44 | _dreamss | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Aforums.worldofwarcraft.com+.torrent+cache+ |
| 09:25.47 | Ellipsis | so they're saying anything we don't offer over HTTP you can get through THE BLIZZARD DOWNLOADER |
| 09:25.48 | _dreamss | heh |
| 09:25.53 | Ellipsis | (not through "a bittorrent client") |
| 09:26.04 | Fisker- | that doesn't matter |
| 09:26.06 | cryogen | Ellipsis: thats instructional, not legal |
| 09:26.08 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, ofc they say that, else they'll get spammed by questions on how to use thep |
| 09:26.15 | cncfanatics | s/thep/them/ |
| 09:26.15 | cryogen | ie they're telling you how to get it, not what you are and are not allowed to do |
| 09:26.15 | Ellipsis | I have played other online games, and they all offer a direct download for patches. Why does this game require use of the Blizzard Downloader? |
| 09:26.15 | Ellipsis | Due to the size of our updates, the Blizzard Downloader is the fastest way to distribute patches and content to our users. If we did not use the Downloader, users would experience long download queues and/or slower download rates. The Blizzard Downloader distributes patches faster than the method used in all of our previous games. |
| 09:26.16 | _dreamss | heh |
| 09:26.29 | cryogen | again, informational |
| 09:26.30 | cncfanatics | oh come on, thats marketing bullcrap and u know it |
| 09:26.32 | Ellipsis | see what I bolded? |
| 09:26.35 | Codayus_ | Ellipsis: You aren't paying attention to what your even postying are you... |
| 09:26.39 | Ellipsis | ONLY through the Blizzard downloader. |
| 09:26.39 | Bibi | cncfanatics : http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/september/brewfest/goggles7.jpg |
| 09:26.41 | Ellipsis | yes I am, Codayus_ |
| 09:26.44 | Bibi | can I get banned for this too ? :D |
| 09:26.44 | cryogen | "can only" |
| 09:26.47 | cryogen | not "must only" |
| 09:26.52 | Fisker- | They're saying THEY ARE NOT MIRRORING SMALLER PATCHES TO HTTP MIRRORS Ã LA FILEPLANET but instead they will only be accessible through BLIZZARDS TORRENT SYSTEM, unles somone mirrors it themselves |
| 09:26.54 | Fisker- | so duh |
| 09:27.01 | _dreamss | AND thats not EULA |
| 09:27.01 | Ellipsis | yes Fisker- |
| 09:27.02 | _dreamss | is it? |
| 09:27.07 | Ellipsis | they're saying HTTP mirrors and Blizz downloader. |
| 09:27.08 | cryogen | it's not |
| 09:27.13 | Ellipsis | i.e. NOT other torrent clients. |
| 09:27.14 | cryogen | it's "how to download patches" :) |
| 09:27.20 | Codayus_ | None of this has ANYTHING to do with what users can do. All they're saying is what they are personally doing. |
| 09:27.22 | Fisker- | and you're not getting the meaning of the sentence |
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| 09:27.26 | Ellipsis | no _dreamss, going through EULA would require effort and concentration |
| 09:27.31 | Codayus_ | Please read what you ppaste. Or at least skim it. |
| 09:27.31 | Ellipsis | which you guys don't want to allow me. |
| 09:27.33 | cryogen | Ellipsis: you are taking help files to be law |
| 09:27.37 | cryogen | that is really not the case :) |
| 09:27.41 | Ellipsis | Codayus_, stop being stupid, you know I have read it. |
| 09:27.44 | Ellipsis | no I am not cryogen |
| 09:27.48 | cryogen | but you are |
| 09:27.48 | Fisker- | the meaning of it is not to restrict people to the Blizzard Downloader, but that they do NOT send their patch to be mirroed at Fileplanet or other mirrors |
| 09:27.51 | Ellipsis | I said I would find the legalese if you allowed me |
| 09:27.55 | Ellipsis | however you guys refuse to give me a chance. |
| 09:28.01 | cncfanatics | then go do it now |
| 09:28.03 | Fisker- | When a big patch is out sites like Fileplanet get it a day in advance |
| 09:28.03 | cncfanatics | we'll wait patiently |
| 09:28.17 | Fisker- | if not then fileplanet will just have to get it themselves |
| 09:28.20 | Ellipsis | k cncfanatics |
| 09:28.21 | Codayus_ | Not well enough. Saying "hey we're only going to provide the bliz downloader" doesn't even *IMPLY* "please don't mirror it yourself", much LESS "please don't use your own torrent client". |
| 09:28.33 | Fisker- | basically what they're saying, only expect to find big patches on file mirror sites |
| 09:28.33 | _dreamss | infact, the torrent was saved on the cache dir after people started posting the torrent online after extratcing it from the btdownloader |
| 09:28.48 | Codayus_ | And many sites DO mirror the patch themselves, including Alla, which charges MONEY for the privlige of downloading from them. |
| 09:29.08 | Fisker- | that's illegal unless they're providing a free alternative Codayus_ |
| 09:29.23 | _dreamss | nope |
| 09:29.24 | Tedeum | ck in tonight? |
| 09:29.32 | Fisker- | well then Blizzard are n00bs |
| 09:29.35 | _dreamss | alla's owner is a lawyer btw |
| 09:29.54 | Grum | Xinhuan: finished? =D |
| 09:30.01 | _dreamss | they been offering the premium account patch download forever |
| 09:30.05 | Codayus_ | Fisker-: 'praps, but they do it anyhow. (And I highly doubt it is...how do you figure?) |
| 09:30.07 | Grum | Morning btw :D |
| 09:30.21 | Fisker- | Codayus_ copyright |
| 09:30.26 | Codayus_ | Uh... |
| 09:30.36 | _dreamss | they not se;;ing the patches |
| 09:30.45 | _dreamss | they selling fast access to them |
| 09:30.48 | _dreamss | and other stuff |
| 09:31.07 | Fisker- | correct _dreamss if there was a free alternative |
| 09:31.10 | Codayus_ | It violates copyright whether you charge people or not. Blizzard could, in theory, tell people they can give copies away but not charge, but AFAIK, they don't. |
| 09:31.20 | Ellipsis | ok, first thing from ToS is wrt: [2:17:07 am] <cryogen> no reverse engineering required |
| 09:31.26 | Ellipsis | You may not host or provide matchmaking services for the Game, or intercept, emulate or redirect the proprietary communication protocols used by Blizzard in connection with the Program, regardless of the method used to do so. |
| 09:31.26 | cryogen | it has nothing to do with copyright |
| 09:31.43 | Codayus_ | I can't give my mates copies of mp3s, nor can I sell them copies. |
| 09:31.47 | cryogen | download sites arent claiming it is their own.. however blizzard may refuse permission to distribute |
| 09:31.55 | siIentium | Ellipsis: BT is not Blizz' propietary protocol, you should know that by now |
| 09:31.57 | cryogen | the fact they havent yet is indicitive they see no problem with these sites |
| 09:32.03 | Codayus_ | Ellipsis: Not relevent, since a torrent isn't a matchmaking service, NOR is it proprietary. |
| 09:32.13 | Fisker- | cryogen that's not the only part copyright covers |
| 09:32.22 | Fisker- | copyright also covers distribution |
| 09:32.22 | Ellipsis | siIentium: but you can't know that unless you (drumroll) packet sniff! |
| 09:32.33 | _dreamss | ur not emulating their protocol either |
| 09:32.37 | cryogen | Fisker-: thats licesning, slightly different but related |
| 09:32.40 | _dreamss | 1. its not theirs |
| 09:32.53 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, you can |
| 09:32.53 | _dreamss | 2. u use the same source as they so its not emulated |
| 09:32.56 | Fisker- | and basically if you are not providing something they want you to provide for free then you are breaking it |
| 09:33.04 | Ellipsis | it is a communication protocol used by Blizzard in connection with the program - and you are not allowed to find out information about it if it is proprietary, but the only way to know whether it is or not is by finding out that information. |
| 09:33.06 | Fisker- | already been through this once |
| 09:33.13 | siIentium | Ellipsis: Blizz as stated numerous times that the patch downloading system is using BT, no reverse engineering needed for that knowledge |
| 09:33.16 | Codayus_ | Ellipsis: You don't need to packet sniff, and it wouldn't be a problem even if you did. |
| 09:33.18 | cryogen | Fisker-: not true, it's up to blizzard to provide or withdraw those rights |
| 09:33.20 | Fisker- | some site started a premium service where you could download stuff |
| 09:33.27 | cryogen | it's their IP, they can do what they want with it |
| 09:33.29 | Fisker- | i got some codemasters lawyers to shut it down |
| 09:33.40 | Fisker- | because they had specifically used codemasters stuff that were free |
| 09:33.44 | _dreamss | Fisker-, like i said alla owner is a lawyer |
| 09:33.49 | _dreamss | so im sure he checked into that |
| 09:33.49 | Ellipsis | Notwithstanding the foregoing, you may update the Program with authorized patches and updates distributed by Blizzard, and Blizzard may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces. |
| 09:34.07 | _dreamss | ur not updating the program |
| 09:34.08 | Fisker- | nowhere does it say only |
| 09:34.12 | _dreamss | ur downloading the update |
| 09:34.15 | cryogen | Ellipsis: it IS distributed by blizzard |
| 09:34.17 | _dreamss | you are" |
| 09:34.17 | cryogen | you are using their tracker :) |
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| 09:34.30 | Codayus_ | Ellipsis: You ARE updating it with patches distributed by Blizzard. You just didn't use a copy that came DIRECTLY from Bliz, but it's byte-for-byte identical. |
| 09:34.35 | cncfanatics | what cruyogen and _dreamss said |
| 09:34.36 | siIentium | Ellipsis: if Blizz didnt want ppl to use other BT clients, they could easily ban them on their tracker, as every client sends his client string on connect |
| 09:34.37 | _dreamss | its saying dont use emulated servers for the game |
| 09:35.16 | Codayus_ | Fisker-: What you're missing is, you have to follow the license (if they make you). In the codemasters example, the license apparently had a "you can redistribute only if you don't charge money". Common, but not AFAIK, in anything Bliz has said... |
| 09:35.26 | _dreamss | if u made the bt client send the same client string as the blizz downloadr that would be emulation |
| 09:35.28 | Fisker- | but they should Codayus_ |
| 09:35.33 | Fisker- | pretty stupid not to imo |
| 09:35.38 | cryogen | speculation is irrelevant, if blizzard dont make their position clear they either a) dont care or b) forfeit any right to do anything about it anyway |
| 09:35.59 | _dreamss | im glad we all got law degress here |
| 09:36.08 | _dreamss | <-- harvard |
| 09:36.13 | Ellipsis | here, in EULA under a section of things you shall not do |
| 09:36.17 | Codayus_ | Fisker-: For a patch? I don't think so. If I was Bliz, I'd have a "distribute if you want" clause; no skin off their nose. |
| 09:36.18 | Ellipsis | or intercept, emulate or redirect the communication protocols used by Blizzard in any way, including without limitation through protocol emulation, tunneling, packet sniffing, modifying or adding components to the Game, use of a utility program or any other techniques now known or hereafter developed, for any purpose |
| 09:36.26 | siIentium | and Ellipsis still hasnt explained why Blizz offers a .torrent file on our harddrives if they dont want us to use it... |
| 09:36.39 | Ellipsis | siIentium: they offer a lot of files they don't want you to use. |
| 09:36.40 | Fisker- | you already quoted us that |
| 09:36.42 | _dreamss | again thats not for patches elli |
| 09:36.45 | Codayus_ | Ellipsis: Not relevant... |
| 09:36.49 | Ellipsis | such as the art that's under copyright |
| 09:36.59 | Ellipsis | no this is slightly different Fisker- |
| 09:37.10 | Ellipsis | for one, it's all "communication protocols used by Blizzard" |
| 09:37.21 | Fisker- | which was the same as it said in your earlier quote |
| 09:37.21 | MoonWolf | Ellipsis, however none of those files can be directly loaded into generally accepted programs like torrents |
| 09:37.23 | _dreamss | u mean the official fan site pic pack? |
| 09:37.28 | Fisker- | this quote is just a continuation of the older qoute |
| 09:37.29 | Fisker- | quote* |
| 09:37.39 | siIentium | Ellipsis: copyrighted art is not the same as a .torrent file, torrent files only contain information for the client where to connect and what to request from ther server |
| 09:37.53 | _dreamss | file info and hashes |
| 09:37.54 | _dreamss | :P |
| 09:38.00 | Ellipsis | Fisker-: the earlier one was more specific: it had to be in connection with the game (which someone said "didn't apply to patches") |
| 09:38.22 | cryogen | whats more important is i have my popup buttons working with SecureStateHEader and now i have my inherited classes working |
| 09:38.26 | cryogen | win! |
| 09:38.34 | Codayus_ | I'm pretty sure a torrent file wouldn't even be protected by copyright. |
| 09:38.36 | MoonWolf | a torrent hardly qualifies as a blizzard communication protocol |
| 09:38.50 | Codayus_ | And the BT protocol...what MoonWolf said. |
| 09:38.57 | _dreamss | that be the same as saying u can only use their webbrowser |
| 09:39.03 | _dreamss | instead of your own |
| 09:39.10 | Ellipsis | it's a communication protocol used by Blizzard to distribute patches |
| 09:39.15 | MoonWolf | ah |
| 09:39.19 | MoonWolf | but, its not THEIRS |
| 09:39.19 | Codayus_ | In fact, I'm pretty damn sure a torrent file would qualify in the US... |
| 09:39.24 | Ellipsis | MoonWolf: it doesn't have to be |
| 09:39.27 | cryogen | if anyone has a legal case here, it would be the BT client developers, im pretty sure blizzard use their code :p |
| 09:39.37 | Ellipsis | IANAL, but bittorrent is covered under "the communication protocols used by Blizzard" |
| 09:39.38 | cryogen | and as its GPL.. i wonder if you can ask blizzard for the source to their updater |
| 09:39.57 | MoonWolf | cryogen, only if the uploader itself is gpl |
| 09:39.58 | Fisker- | it wasn't GPL when blizzard made it |
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| 09:40.08 | MoonWolf | don't think the protocol itself is limited by gpl |
| 09:40.11 | MoonWolf | but i could be wrong. |
| 09:40.17 | cryogen | the BT client is gpl |
| 09:40.19 | Ellipsis | no, but if Blizz used GPL code to parse it |
| 09:40.23 | cryogen | i think |
| 09:40.25 | cryogen | perhaps not |
| 09:40.28 | Fisker- | cryogen that doesn't matter |
| 09:40.29 | Ellipsis | anyway, licensing is not the issue |
| 09:40.40 | Ellipsis | show me somewhere Blizz says using other torrent clients is allowed |
| 09:40.43 | cryogen | i know, i was attempted to troll off on a tangent |
| 09:40.48 | cryogen | attempting |
| 09:40.52 | Fisker- | When they used the source code the bittorrent client was covered by the MIT license |
| 09:40.55 | Ellipsis | because according to the EULA you can't modify the game or related files unless they say so, basically |
| 09:41.01 | Fisker- | so even if they changed to GPL the older code would still be MIT |
| 09:41.02 | MoonWolf | Ellipsis, show me one instance of blizzard blocking other torrent client from their trackers. |
| 09:41.02 | _dreamss | Ellipsis, the forums would be moderated if it wasent allowed |
| 09:41.04 | cryogen | Fisker-: ah, shame |
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| 09:41.10 | MoonWolf | even though they announce that they are different. |
| 09:41.12 | Ellipsis | and downloading the patch is modifying its file |
| 09:41.23 | _dreamss | nope |
| 09:41.24 | Ellipsis | MoonWolf: the issue isn't whether they enforce it |
| 09:41.32 | Ellipsis | it's whether they legally permit it |
| 09:41.41 | Arrowmaster | BT is not gpl |
| 09:41.43 | MoonWolf | i don't think they can legally block it. |
| 09:41.55 | MoonWolf | its there too look nice but can't be enforced. |
| 09:41.59 | Arrowmaster | the original client is gpl but not all clients are dont dont have to be |
| 09:42.02 | MoonWolf | so they never will |
| 09:42.14 | Codayus_ | You keep using the word "legally"; many of us probably live somewhere where EULA's aren't enforcable, even if it DID say you couldn't use your own client, and the quote you pasted is...close, but not quote, IMHO. |
| 09:42.17 | _dreamss | they can only allow the blizz downloader client string |
| 09:42.25 | Arrowmaster | infact utorrent which is closed source got purchased by bittorrent.com and is becoming the new official client |
| 09:42.25 | Fisker- | Arrowmaster the original client was MIT to begin with |
| 09:43.08 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster, does that mean they're gonna release it opensource ? |
| 09:43.13 | Ellipsis | Codayus_, I'm just saying that Blizz does their best to restrict your use of their files. which stemmed from the original "proprietary" argument. |
| 09:43.23 | _dreamss | u can read the wow forums were a lot people recomend using 3rd BT downloaders |
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| 09:43.27 | _dreamss | they not moderated |
| 09:43.37 | Ellipsis | _dreamss: that doesn't matter, that's an issue of enforcement as I've said several times. |
| 09:43.50 | Arrowmaster | no it means the official client is going to be closed source |
| 09:43.52 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, if they wan,ted to do their best to restrict people they'd use their own protocol uncompatible with BT |
| 09:43.59 | Ellipsis | besides, just because something hasn't been deleted/edited by mods doesn't mean they don't intend to - they may not have seen it. |
| 09:44.04 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster, that sucks, any chance they release a linux version ? |
| 09:44.05 | Codayus_ | It's still circumstantial evidnece; if your not sure what a clause means, you can look at how Bliz interprets it. |
| 09:44.07 | Ellipsis | cncfanatics: but that takes money, like you said! |
| 09:44.11 | MoonWolf | Ellipsis, they have seen it |
| 09:44.14 | MoonWolf | don't kid yourself |
| 09:44.23 | Ellipsis | they can sorta-kinda-close-to-legally prevent it, and that's enough for them |
| 09:44.27 | siIentium | _dreamss: funnily the Blizz downloader seems to use some kind of randomly generated string, you can see it when using other clients |
| 09:44.37 | Ellipsis | all they want is if someone finds some dirty bit in their code they can claim the person shouldn't have been snooping. |
| 09:44.39 | Codayus_ | And the actual text of the EULA is clearly aimed at people trying to write maphacks and things, if it covers torrents at all it'd be by accident. |
| 09:44.51 | Arrowmaster | when you run the background downloader it puts a torrent file in your cache directory, i dont think blizz cares about using other torrent clients |
| 09:44.52 | _dreamss | if client string != Blizz downloader kill connecion |
| 09:45.00 | _dreamss | takes 2 lines of code |
| 09:45.02 | Ellipsis | Codayus_: pretty sure the law doesn't care about whether it's accidentally covered or not, it's still covered (IMO) :P |
| 09:45.09 | _dreamss | n'Arrowmaster> when you run the background downloader it puts a torrent file in your cache directory, i dont think blizz cares about using other torrent clients |
| 09:45.18 | Codayus_ | Ellipsis: Actually, it does. Lernsomecontract law. |
| 09:45.23 | Codayus_ | :-) |
| 09:45.29 | Ellipsis | hence the "pretty sure" |
| 09:45.35 | Ellipsis | IANAL as stated previously |
| 09:45.37 | _dreamss | they did that so u can use 3rd party clients. since they only started after ppl started to extract the .torrent |
| 09:45.56 | _dreamss | heh |
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| 09:46.12 | Arrowmaster | the stuff about not intercepting data is refering to between the game client and the game servers |
| 09:46.18 | Arrowmaster | the updater is http |
| 09:46.23 | Ellipsis | my point still stands - Blizz may not be 100% proprietary with everything WoW-related, but it's as close as they can feasibly get. |
| 09:46.23 | Arrowmaster | aka open |
| 09:46.28 | siIentium | Ellipsis: Blizz has even posted MD5 hashes of patches on forums, so people can check if their patches from unofficial sources are correct - now talk about not supporting |
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| 09:46.53 | _dreamss | Ellipsis, they trying to keep shit secure and user friendly |
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| 09:47.05 | Ellipsis | Arrowmaster: it's any protocol related to the Program (which refers to the Client as well as related software created by Blizz) |
| 09:47.06 | Bibi | tbh it's not like 99,9% of the wow players know what's a MD5 hash |
| 09:47.18 | _dreamss | exactly |
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| 09:47.38 | Ellipsis | siIentium: I thought that was for http mirror checking (which is not an unofficial source) |
| 09:47.53 | Codayus_ | Of course, technically, uTorrent isn't "emulating" Blizzard protocol; they're both working off the same spec, no? |
| 09:48.06 | cncfanatics | Codayus_, they're both nativly implenting it |
| 09:48.10 | siIentium | yeah, the Blizz downloader is for the "dumb masses", but they also allow the more tech savvy people to use other ways, and they support it at least by posted hashes |
| 09:48.11 | Ellipsis | Blizzard is doing something arbitrary which happens to match torrent :P |
| 09:48.13 | Codayus_ | Yep. |
| 09:48.35 | Ellipsis | siIentium: they have never directly given any support to anyone using another torrent client... |
| 09:48.48 | cncfanatics | ofc not, its not their software, why would they |
| 09:48.53 | Ellipsis | the fact that the hashes may be helpful to a *torrent user is incidental as they're intended for the allowed HTTP mirror downloads. |
| 09:48.58 | siIentium | Ellipsis: so you are saying that downloading from the Blizz torrent source is unofficial and hacky, but fileplanet is not unofficial? |
| 09:48.59 | Codayus_ | Ellipsis: *shrug* Could be generating bits using an RNG, but uTorrent isn't *emulating* anything. |
| 09:49.15 | Ellipsis | I never said anyone was emulating anything |
| 09:49.19 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis btw, blizz is one of the few companies that I like, and its due to the fact they use quite a LOT of opensource & available stuff compared to most other companies |
| 09:49.24 | Codayus_ | Frankly, I think you have a MUCH better argument that fileplanet is violating copyright. :-) |
| 09:49.25 | Arrowmaster | no blizzard is using openly known torrent protocals, including the http seed part of the protocal that was added by a client developer and not the official developer |
| 09:49.50 | Codayus_ | Ellipsis: Well, if uTorrent isn't *emulating* it doesn't fall under the EULA clause you quoted. |
| 09:49.52 | TNSe | so blizzard took something that worked and modified for own use :P |
| 09:49.54 | Codayus_ | :-D |
| 09:50.02 | Ellipsis | my original argument (hey remember that?) was that Blizzard would never implement IRC on their WoW servers to link with in-game chat. |
| 09:50.05 | Arrowmaster | they didnt even modifiy it afaik |
| 09:50.11 | Fisker- | Ellipsis |
| 09:50.13 | Fisker- | as you yourself said |
| 09:50.28 | Fisker- | You may only download patches through blizzard sources |
| 09:50.31 | _dreamss | u pay to play the game |
| 09:50.33 | _dreamss | not chat |
| 09:50.40 | Ellipsis | Codayus_: other things were specifically disallowed, including any kind of detection that would identify Blizz Downloader as using torrent :P |
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| 09:50.53 | Codayus_ | Ellipsis: As I said at the time, those clauses obviously don't apply. |
| 09:51.07 | Codayus_ | Since Blizzard SAID they're using BT, and it drops .torrent files in cache. |
| 09:51.10 | Ellipsis | just because they were intended to refer to game client protocols? |
| 09:51.25 | Codayus_ | No packet sniffing needed... |
| 09:51.39 | Ellipsis | it doesn't matter, the clause was "not limited to" |
| 09:51.46 | Ellipsis | packet sniffing, reverse engineering, etc. |
| 09:51.49 | siIentium | Ellipsis: as stated before, Blizzard doesnt hide the fact that it's using BT, quite the contrary: the help pages on the WoW site clearly explain that |
| 09:51.53 | Arrowmaster | its not blizzards protocal, they cant tell you what to do and what not to do with it |
| 09:51.58 | Codayus_ | And even if you DID, the only person violating that clause would be whomever worked out it was a torrent, you aren't violating it by trying to USE a torrent. |
| 09:52.22 | Ellipsis | Arrowmaster: if they made a slight change to it, then it WOULD be their protocol |
| 09:52.29 | Arrowmaster | they didnt |
| 09:52.32 | Ellipsis | and for all we users know legally, it IS proprietary. |
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| 09:52.39 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 09:52.54 | Arrowmaster | they call it bittorrent, so its not proprietary |
| 09:53.01 | _dreamss | eelis reminds me of the people who ask if addons are legal |
| 09:53.05 | Ellipsis | ... |
| 09:53.13 | siIentium | Ellipsis: you are consequently igonring us telling you repeatedly that Blizz told us it's BT, we didnt need to use any reverse engineering or packet sniffing |
| 09:53.13 | Ellipsis | wow, you guys are mean when you're arguing |
| 09:53.19 | siIentium | *ignorig |
| 09:53.27 | Codayus_ | Thing is, even if it is different, and IS proprietary, that's got nothing to do with uTorrent, which is niavely trying to use bittorrent and suceeding. |
| 09:53.27 | Ellipsis | siIentium: I am not ignoring that, I think that has no bearing |
| 09:53.29 | Arrowmaster | bittorrent is trademarked, they couldnt say its bittorrent if its not |
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| 09:53.43 | Ellipsis | because it could change at any time and we would not be able to verify that it is "really" BT anymore |
| 09:53.59 | Ellipsis | they could switch protocols completely, in which case most of your arguments would be gone |
| 09:54.15 | Ellipsis | other than Codayus_ who seems to actually know something about law since he's properly identifying the weakest point :P |
| 09:54.17 | _dreamss | they not gonna |
| 09:54.24 | _dreamss | unless google hosts them |
| 09:54.27 | Ellipsis | _dreamss: they could |
| 09:54.29 | Codayus_ | (In fact, if they changed it so normal clients wouldn't work...and then someone hacked together a patch for their own bittorrent client so it STILL worked...then you'd have a point...not otherwise.) |
| 09:54.34 | _dreamss | then they can offer http patches |
| 09:54.37 | siIentium | maybe, but they havent changed it so far, and if they change it then our BT clients wont magically keep working anyway |
| 09:54.39 | Arrowmaster | they even use the default bittorrent ports that almost nobody uses anymore on other clients |
| 09:54.48 | Ellipsis | they do offer http patches _dreamss... |
| 09:54.55 | Fisker- | thought it had the port randomizer |
| 09:54.57 | Ellipsis | just not as the preferred means of downloading |
| 09:54.59 | Xinhuan | this is such a pointless argument. i propose we change the topic |
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| 09:55.11 | _dreamss | lets taalk about porn |
| 09:55.15 | Arrowmaster | the updater is http, the only blizzard seed is an http server |
| 09:55.16 | _dreamss | yes... |
| 09:55.19 | _dreamss | rfc porn |
| 09:55.27 | Ellipsis | I agree, this has gone way beyond my original statement (which itself was a joke) that Blizz wouldn't use anything non-proprietary |
| 09:55.38 | Codayus_ | And all this is built on a clause clearly refering to the game internal communication protocols. >< I still maintain that anyone mirroring the actual patch is in violation of their copyright though. :-) |
| 09:55.44 | Fisker- | don't mess around we'll fuck you up |
| 09:55.45 | Fisker- | :P |
| 09:56.05 | _dreamss | fisker is all talk |
| 09:56.41 | Ellipsis | Codayus_: as for your statement about it not covering the Updater: This software program, and any files that are delivered to you by Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. (via on-line transmission or otherwise) to "patch," update, or otherwise modify the software program, |
| 09:56.49 | Ellipsis | first line of EULA :P |
| 09:57.22 | _dreamss | does that cover the .torrent file tho? |
| 09:57.31 | Ellipsis | it doesn't have to, just the Downloader itself |
| 09:57.40 | Ellipsis | but yeah, it would cover the .torrent just as easily as the Downloader |
| 09:57.47 | Arrowmaster | the downloader is their own code |
| 09:57.49 | Ellipsis | (I think) |
| 09:58.07 | Ellipsis | it is a file delivered to you by Blizzard to patch, update, or otherwise modify the software program |
| 09:58.25 | cncfanatics | actualy it ain't |
| 09:58.37 | cncfanatics | its a file delivered to you to download the software that will patch, update, or otherwise modify the software program |
| 09:58.49 | Arrowmaster | the downloader is actually a bittorrent client and a torrent in one, the torrent is in the last part of the exe and can be extracted |
| 09:59.02 | _dreamss | elli like i alrleady explained the reason the patcher dumps the .torrent is so u can use 3rd party programs |
| 09:59.08 | winkiller | anyone can tell me how to change the background images of pitbull frames? |
| 09:59.09 | Ellipsis | true, but "the software program" is (I believe) all Blizz-written software involved in the whole process (meaning the patches as well) |
| 09:59.33 | Ellipsis | _dreamss: that doesn't matter, what they do is not nearly as important as what they say in this argument. |
| 09:59.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah the patcher and downloader are all blizzards |
| 09:59.49 | Ellipsis | as I've said before, I'm not talking about what they enforce - just what they attempt to legally disallow. |
| 10:00.03 | orionshock | does the patcher dump a torrent? didn't think it did |
| 10:00.09 | Ellipsis | which, really, is what the concept of "proprietary" software is all about |
| 10:00.17 | _dreamss | its the cover your own ass and make shit up as you go policy basicly |
| 10:00.25 | Ellipsis | welcome to Blizzard. |
| 10:00.28 | Xinhuan | yes it does orion |
| 10:00.29 | Ellipsis | :P |
| 10:00.35 | Xinhuan | it throws it in the cache folder ;p |
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| 10:00.58 | siIentium | the .torrent file is not a program, it's only meta information that can be used by any BT client to *download* a patch/updater, it doesnt patch or update anything by itself |
| 10:01.21 | Ellipsis | it is still a file provided to you by Blizzard to modify the software program (here referring to the patch .exe) |
| 10:01.24 | Arrowmaster | all EULAs are bullshit anyway, wow EULA says you cant monitor the traffic between the client and server and theres no way thats enforcable |
| 10:01.38 | Ellipsis | enforcable is not the point |
| 10:01.42 | Ellipsis | the point is CYA |
| 10:01.53 | cncfanatics | it is, who cares if they tell u u can't if they can't control it ? |
| 10:02.08 | Ellipsis | if they get sued because someone says they caught the Blizz downloader transferring kiddie porn over the intarwebs, they can say "you're not allowed to monitor that data" |
| 10:02.29 | Codayus_ | And in this case, clearly don't have the slightest interest in enforcing it... |
| 10:02.41 | Ellipsis | sure they don't |
| 10:02.47 | Ellipsis | I wouldn't either |
| 10:02.57 | Ellipsis | I mean, honestly, a lot of personal firewalls already sniff packets |
| 10:02.58 | Codayus_ | Ellipsis: Wouldn't help, the data flows over networks controlled by people who aren't a party to the EULA, so THEY can monitor it. |
| 10:03.03 | Ellipsis | let alone routers and ISPs and... |
| 10:03.10 | Codayus_ | ...even if you live somewhere that wouldn't laugh the EULA out of court to start with... |
| 10:03.10 | Arrowmaster | and traffic shapers |
| 10:03.21 | Ellipsis | exactly |
| 10:03.44 | Codayus_ | (Although, it'd be fun if the argument did work, kiddy porn trafficers could just all agree to EULAs that said nobody could look at their data...) |
| 10:04.39 | Ellipsis | they could encrypt their data with a proprietary algorithm and require everyone to sign an NDA-type contract as far as the encryption is concerned |
| 10:04.50 | Ellipsis | wouldn't that be cool |
| 10:05.05 | Arrowmaster | or you can just use standard encryption |
| 10:05.41 | Ellipsis | hey, I wanna copyright an encryption key an make it illegal for people to sha-- oh, wait :D |
| 10:05.52 | Ellipsis | and( |
| 10:05.53 | Ellipsis | * |
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| 10:05.59 | Ellipsis | ok, typing is definitely not my thing today |
| 10:06.35 | Codayus_ | Encryption keys aren't copyrightable under US and compatible laws. :-) |
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| 10:06.51 | Ellipsis | bleh, you knew what I meant - you can turn your lawyer switch off now :P |
| 10:06.54 | Codayus_ | (I know, it was a joke. I had a sense of humor once, but I sold if for caffiene.) |
| 10:07.04 | Arrowmaster | 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 |
| 10:07.10 | Ellipsis | bad trade, all I had to give were a couple of unnecessary organs |
| 10:07.13 | Arrowmaster | oh whoops |
| 10:07.20 | Ellipsis | (well, they said they were unnecessary...) |
| 10:07.29 | Fisker- | i sold my sense of humor for a sense for snow |
| 10:07.52 | _dreamss | oh yeah arrow? |
| 10:07.53 | _dreamss | ACTIVE: 2E 79 BB 5B 8D CA A7 23 56 C0 21 A1 0D 90 48 99 |
| 10:07.58 | Ellipsis | people don't need two kidneys, right? >_> |
| 10:08.01 | _dreamss | ! |
| 10:08.03 | Codayus_ | Quite right. |
| 10:08.28 | Codayus_ | Actually though, my masters was in finance, not law. I find spreadsheets of numbers even more exciting than EULAs. :-) |
| 10:08.55 | Codayus_ | (I know, there's something wrong with me. I've been told that before.) |
| 10:09.11 | Ellipsis | hey, at least you got a degree - that makes you infinitely more qualified than I :P |
| 10:09.37 | _dreamss | you might be nuts but your nuts with a degree? |
| 10:09.39 | _dreamss | :P |
| 10:09.50 | Codayus_ | For extremely particular meanings of the word "qualified" perhaps... |
| 10:10.14 | Ellipsis | for arguing on the internet, I'm pretty sure it just means "whoever has the most pretty pieces of paper saying they did something smart" |
| 10:10.42 | Codayus_ | Hmm |
| 10:10.48 | Codayus_ | But was getting a masters "smart"? |
| 10:10.55 | _dreamss | talking about keys, funny how people can post keys that can decrypt sat, legally |
| 10:10.57 | Ellipsis | many people would say so :P |
| 10:11.52 | Ellipsis | actually, come to think of it, if you're over-qualified to get a job at McDonalds, you're over-qualified to argue on the internet with me. o.O |
| 10:12.04 | Ellipsis | nitpick that! |
| 10:12.20 | Cartas | You can get a qualification for internet arguing? |
| 10:12.30 | Ellipsis | duhhh |
| 10:12.30 | _dreamss | and yet we wasted so much time and efford arguing with you |
| 10:12.38 | Ellipsis | don't you know *anything* about your intertubes, Cartas? |
| 10:12.47 | Cartas | Well, old chap! Not particularly. |
| 10:12.50 | Cartas | All I know is that most people are fools. |
| 10:12.51 | Ellipsis | oh boy |
| 10:12.54 | Ellipsis | back to the old chap thing again >_< |
| 10:12.55 | Cartas | On or off the internet! :p |
| 10:13.03 | Cartas | Back to it? I never stopped, old chap! |
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| 10:13.06 | Ellipsis | bah |
| 10:13.09 | _dreamss | al gore signs the licence to argue on the net |
| 10:13.11 | _dreamss | btw |
| 10:13.12 | Ellipsis | is there even a female equivalent of "chap"? |
| 10:13.24 | _dreamss | chappete? |
| 10:13.31 | _dreamss | like chump :P |
| 10:13.41 | Ellipsis | ....uh, ok, I guess I'll stick with chap then |
| 10:13.45 | Gngsk | bird! |
| 10:13.52 | _dreamss | oh yeah |
| 10:13.54 | Cartas | Oh, you're a lady? |
| 10:13.58 | Ellipsis | indeed |
| 10:14.04 | Cartas | Ah, apologies, old chappette! |
| 10:14.09 | Ellipsis | well, not much of a lady, but female at least |
| 10:14.19 | _dreamss | now everyone is gonna agree with ellis |
| 10:14.21 | _dreamss | watch |
| 10:14.25 | Ellipsis | LOL |
| 10:14.40 | Ellipsis | if I thought my gender would've won me that fight I'd have pulled that one out long ago |
| 10:14.49 | Ellipsis | besides, it wouldn't have been satisfying ot me if it had :P |
| 10:14.52 | Ellipsis | to* |
| 10:15.03 | Cartas | Don't worry, Ellipsis. I won't go easy on you. |
| 10:15.12 | Ellipsis | glad to hear, old chap! =] |
| 10:15.20 | Cartas | Ooh, you catch on quick, m'lady! |
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| 10:20.51 | Ellipsis | well that certainly killed the channel |
| 10:21.56 | Cartas | I think we won the internet, Ellipsis. |
| 10:22.33 | Lukian | are you going to cyberspawn now? |
| 10:22.55 | sag_ich_nicht | excuse me |
| 10:22.59 | sag_ich_nicht | what the fsck are you doing |
| 10:24.21 | _dreamss | wait u guys killed the end boss of the interweb? |
| 10:25.37 | siIentium | did he drop purplz? |
| 10:25.46 | Cartas | Artifacts. |
| 10:26.21 | Lukian | cobol of the ancients? |
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| 10:27.49 | sag_ich_nicht | no, Lukian |
| 10:28.18 | _dreamss | btw can u use stopcasting macros with spells that are 1s or shorter? |
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| 10:29.15 | Ellipsis | uh, stopcasting will cancel them |
| 10:29.33 | Fisker- | ah |
| 10:29.35 | Fisker- | how i hate faggots |
| 10:29.42 | Ellipsis | now that's not appropriate in the least :P |
| 10:29.56 | _dreamss | thats exactly what i want ellis |
| 10:30.01 | sag_ich_nicht | Lukian: only Quiche Eaters use COBOL... no, it dropped FORTRAN of the Gods |
| 10:30.14 | Ellipsis | then sure, _dreamss: though you'll still be under GCD |
| 10:30.24 | _dreamss | quarts/stopcasting |
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| 10:30.44 | Ellipsis | unfortunately UI enforces GCD regardless of whether you cancel the spell during its GCD |
| 10:30.46 | _dreamss | yeah GCD fuks me up |
| 10:31.05 | Ellipsis | which is extremely, extremely stupid |
| 10:32.00 | sag_ich_nicht | [12:30] <Ellipsis> unfortunately UI enforces GCD regardless of whether you cancel the spell during its GCD <--that explains my divine shield failing -_- |
| 10:32.23 | Fisker- | some guy just came in an took our skyguard escort quest |
| 10:32.32 | Fisker- | unfortunately he didn't get much sympathy when he died |
| 10:32.43 | Ellipsis | lame |
| 10:32.44 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 10:32.50 | Ellipsis | however, grats karma |
| 10:33.01 | Fisker- | when he was low on hp "Oh if only you had a group with a healer" |
| 10:33.11 | Fisker- | and when he died "oh what a shame you don't have a resser" |
| 10:33.46 | _dreamss | rez him with r1 rez and get him agro |
| 10:33.48 | _dreamss | :P |
| 10:33.54 | Fisker- | heh |
| 10:34.23 | Ellipsis | that'd be awesome |
| 10:35.02 | Ellipsis | I didn't realize rez had ranks o.O |
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| 10:35.14 | Fisker- | they do |
| 10:35.25 | Fisker- | but since they cost the same mana now everyone just uses the highest rank |
| 10:35.37 | Ellipsis | lulz, same mana cost for all ranks? |
| 10:35.52 | Fisker- | level based |
| 10:35.54 | Ellipsis | that's pretty dumb |
| 10:36.20 | Ellipsis | it's not % of base mana, though, right? |
| 10:37.05 | Fisker- | it is |
| 10:37.52 | Fisker- | 64% of base mana |
| 10:38.12 | Fisker- | for paladins |
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| 10:38.37 | Ellipsis | eesh |
| 10:38.56 | _dreamss | 1k nana for any of my heals |
| 10:39.22 | _dreamss | 2100 mana actully |
| 10:39.25 | _dreamss | gezzuz |
| 10:39.38 | Ellipsis | you mean rezzes, right? :P |
| 10:39.43 | _dreamss | err yeah |
| 10:40.20 | siIentium | I once met a lvl 60 pala guy who only had rezz rank 1, "to save money at the trainer" ... |
| 10:40.30 | sag_ich_nicht | lol. |
| 10:40.59 | Fisker- | i was asked by a level 63 pala on how to get resurrection |
| 10:41.24 | Ellipsis | heh, there was a pally in my old guild who never got rez until like level 50 or so because he had trouble completing the quest |
| 10:41.33 | Ellipsis | he was trying to get the quest item to drop when he already had it in his bank, I think |
| 10:41.43 | Ellipsis | and he would farm for that item forever |
| 10:41.49 | Ellipsis | and be like "wtf it won't drop" |
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| 10:43.35 | _dreamss | heh |
| 10:43.50 | sag_ich_nicht | *facepalm* |
| 10:44.19 | Ellipsis | yeah, it was pretty funny |
| 10:44.22 | sag_ich_nicht | Grum |
| 10:44.24 | sag_ich_nicht | gieb map |
| 10:44.25 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 10:44.28 | sag_ich_nicht | Gagorian |
| 10:44.30 | sag_ich_nicht | are you there? |
| 10:44.33 | _dreamss | and i wonder why ppl need books to l2p in wiw |
| 10:44.35 | _dreamss | wow |
| 10:44.38 | sag_ich_nicht | there are some changes you have to implement :X |
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| 10:45.03 | tz8 | mornin guys |
| 10:45.40 | baer_ | moin |
| 10:45.48 | Ellipsis | I believe in the end he actually let his roommate log onto his char to prove that he couldn't get the spell - the roommate of course found the item, turned it in, and laughed at him |
| 10:46.30 | _dreamss | and why you were in a guild with that guy |
| 10:46.31 | _dreamss | :P |
| 10:46.48 | _dreamss | on my guild we would made the guy leave |
| 10:46.55 | tz8 | any1 knows an addon that you can move the pvp goals from the top middle position to wherever one likes? |
| 10:47.26 | tz8 | or preferrably into the fubar ^^ |
| 10:50.19 | ravagernl | oooh, pretty: http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t206/Spiritualis-rawks/dead.jpg |
| 10:50.26 | Ellipsis | _dreamss: the roommate in the story was the GM |
| 10:50.36 | Ellipsis | and we kept him on more for entertainment than actual raiding... |
| 10:50.43 | Ellipsis | although he wasn't half bad as a healer :P |
| 10:51.16 | Ellipsis | ravagernl: what's that? I don't see anything... *looks down* ohhh, gnomes! :P |
| 10:51.28 | ravagernl | hahaha :P |
| 10:52.49 | _dreamss | time for some r6 |
| 10:53.45 | _dreamss | 2bad the glasses only last a week |
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| 10:58.06 | oxman | hello |
| 10:58.20 | oxman | how can I use variable in a macro condition ? a Real macro condition |
| 10:58.35 | oxman | I must use my variable in a conditon macro because Modality only accept condition macro |
| 10:59.30 | _dreamss | any ace addons leave the BG when its done? |
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| 11:01.16 | cncfanatics | why wld u want an ACE addon for that ? |
| 11:01.20 | cncfanatics | thats 10 lines of code |
| 11:01.30 | cncfanatics | oh, and its Ace not ACE :) |
| 11:01.44 | Ellipsis | you were the one that put it in caps :P |
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| 11:02.10 | _dreamss | just need a addon thatw ill autojoin/leave BG |
| 11:02.24 | _dreamss | automaton joins but not leaves |
| 11:02.34 | cncfanatics | I was corracting myself Ellipsis |
| 11:03.07 | _dreamss | hehe |
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| 11:05.55 | Ellipsis | hmm |
| 11:10.01 | Fisker- | anyone know why i have a red bar underneath my party targets? |
| 11:10.04 | Fisker- | in pitbull |
| 11:10.15 | sag_ich_nicht | aggro bar? |
| 11:10.21 | Gngsk | threat bar? |
| 11:10.41 | Fisker- | wut? :o |
| 11:10.42 | oxman | yes its threat bar |
| 11:10.46 | Ellipsis | yarly |
| 11:10.46 | oxman | i switch off it :D |
| 11:10.50 | Gngsk | I win! |
| 11:11.00 | Fisker- | thanks |
| 11:11.01 | Fisker- | :D |
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| 11:15.58 | Nom- | There's a WAU 2.0 ? |
| 11:16.28 | Nom- | Hurray for topics *tries to work out how to update* |
| 11:22.07 | sag_ich_nicht | Nom-: |
| 11:22.09 | sag_ich_nicht | ~wau2 |
| 11:22.10 | purl | from memory, wau2 is http://wowace.com/wau2 |
| 11:23.25 | Nom- | Couldn't see any links from the front page |
| 11:23.26 | Nom- | Thanks |
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| 11:24.17 | Nom- | What's the difference, out of interest ? |
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| 11:24.54 | _dreamss | aparently the only auto leave bg addon i could find was from a bot |
| 11:24.56 | _dreamss | how sad |
| 11:25.47 | Gngsk | anyone know the name of that mod for dual boxing with voice chat commands? |
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| 11:29.16 | Ellipsis | i know the one you mean, Gngsk, but I can't think of the name...bah |
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| 11:29.56 | Gngsk | yah, I know it's on curse somewhere, but I was hoping someone would know off the top of their head |
| 11:30.02 | Gngsk | don't really look forward to searching for it |
| 11:31.20 | TE|Kulaar | hmm can someone tell me how to update with "wau2"? it seems like nothing happens pressing F10... |
| 11:32.13 | Gngsk | voice-commander! just had to be more specific in my google search |
| 11:32.37 | Ellipsis | well that's logical enough |
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| 11:33.58 | LuckyLuciano | my omen and recount have suddenly stopped working, for no apparent reason |
| 11:36.21 | Ellipsis | grats :P |
| 11:36.25 | LuckyLuciano | actually, the reason for BOTH seems to be: attempt to call method 'IsActive' (a nil value) |
| 11:37.43 | LuckyLuciano | and for omen: AceLibrary: Cannot register library "Threat-1.0". It is already registered with LibStub. |
| 11:37.52 | LuckyLuciano | any ideas? I'm kinda gonna need both for raiding tonight :( |
| 11:38.50 | CIA-22 | 03sylvanaar * r49560 10Prat/extras/util.lua: Prat: Steal ckk's HSL<->RGB color code |
| 11:39.23 | Ellipsis | eh..sounds like Threat got borken |
| 11:40.33 | Ellipsis | I assume you tried updating everything again, right? :P |
| 11:41.16 | LuckyLuciano | yeah |
| 11:41.20 | LuckyLuciano | just done it twice |
| 11:41.37 | Ellipsis | hrm |
| 11:42.14 | Ellipsis | I'm not having any issues with Omen |
| 11:42.20 | LuckyLuciano | btw ck, whatever you changed, thanks for making it so the FUbar plugins remember their position now and don't dance around wherever they like on logout/exit |
| 11:42.22 | LuckyLuciano | ^^ |
| 11:42.43 | Ellipsis | don't use Recount though, and I don't use embedded libs which sounds like it might be the cause of your problem |
| 11:42.53 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 11:43.12 | LuckyLuciano | mmm ok |
| 11:44.08 | sag_ich_nicht | LuckyLuciano: try using the reinstall function in WAU(backup your folders should you use something like sharedmedia or clearfont tho) |
| 11:44.30 | LuckyLuciano | oki. |
| 11:45.39 | sylvanaar | you really dont need to use reinstall anymore, but kudos if it helps |
| 11:46.21 | sylvanaar | old wau versions, have to i suppose |
| 11:47.19 | LuckyLuciano | im using the java based wau |
| 11:47.25 | LuckyLuciano | dunno if thats the cause |
| 11:47.26 | sylvanaar | o.O |
| 11:47.28 | Ellipsis | which one? |
| 11:47.35 | sylvanaar | wau2 isnt finished |
| 11:47.55 | LuckyLuciano | http://wowace.com/wau2/ |
| 11:48.03 | LuckyLuciano | so go back to the standard one? |
| 11:48.17 | Ellipsis | IMO, if you need a stable UI, you need a stable updater :P |
| 11:48.18 | sylvanaar | idk, the developer isnt around |
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| 11:49.22 | Ellipsis | ooh, found another guy with visible talents ^-^ |
| 11:49.31 | sylvanaar | heh |
| 11:49.44 | sylvanaar | visible where? |
| 11:49.55 | sag_ich_nicht | he's talking about LibRockComm |
| 11:49.59 | sylvanaar | i know |
| 11:50.17 | sag_ich_nicht | just use cowtip and the dogtag ;P |
| 11:50.28 | sylvanaar | ah, i dont use cowtip |
| 11:50.41 | Ellipsis | she* |
| 11:51.14 | sag_ich_nicht | ~irc |
| 11:51.14 | purl | "Welcome to IRC: where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents." |
| 11:51.25 | Ellipsis | purl, will you marry me now? |
| 11:51.32 | sag_ich_nicht | that quote is all wrong anyway |
| 11:51.37 | Ellipsis | purl, will you marry me? |
| 11:51.38 | purl | no, ellipsis, I prefer virile men. |
| 11:51.41 | Ellipsis | =[ |
| 11:52.02 | Ellipsis | see, purl can tell I'm female |
| 11:52.08 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 11:52.14 | sag_ich_nicht | purl, gender |
| 11:52.15 | purl | I'm lesbian |
| 11:52.18 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 11:52.58 | Ellipsis | wtf, purl lied to me :( |
| 11:53.01 | Ellipsis | purl, bad dog |
| 11:53.01 | purl | Bad dog, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 11:53.06 | Ellipsis | yes, that |
| 11:53.07 | sylvanaar | interview was an addon i wrote for doing that kind of stuff, i still want the Remote Events fuctionality it had |
| 11:53.08 | *** join/#wowace Garns (n=blub@muedsl-82-207-250-013.citykom.de) |
| 11:53.29 | sag_ich_nicht | REMOTE EVENTS? |
| 11:53.33 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 11:53.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik|zZz |
| 11:53.46 | sag_ich_nicht | push your RPC! |
| 11:53.48 | sylvanaar | register for events on other clients |
| 11:53.49 | sag_ich_nicht | oh wait he's not here :( |
| 11:53.51 | woden | test |
| 11:54.02 | sag_ich_nicht | sylvanaar: well conspiracy has a whole RPC implemented :X |
| 11:54.20 | sylvanaar | oh cool |
| 11:54.25 | sylvanaar | even better |
| 11:54.28 | sylvanaar | maybe |
| 11:54.29 | Ellipsis | purl, what is the meaning of life? |
| 11:54.29 | purl | ACTION is the meaning of life to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion |
| 11:54.34 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 11:54.43 | Ellipsis | deep. |
| 11:55.30 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 11:55.35 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.conspiracy-ui.com/ |
| 11:55.45 | sag_ich_nicht | /join #conspiracy |
| 11:56.49 | LuckyLuciano | ~soar |
| 11:56.50 | purl | methinks soar is Dan_S's slave!, or 250 years old, and 3 feet tall! |
| 11:57.14 | sag_ich_nicht | *facepalm* |
| 11:57.21 | sag_ich_nicht | SoarLib is deprecated, use SinkLib |
| 11:58.18 | LuckyLuciano | mm ive got so many libs installed for some reason |
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| 11:59.16 | sag_ich_nicht | don't worry about libs LuckyLuciano :P |
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| 12:02.22 | Ellipsis | interesting... |
| 12:02.27 | Ellipsis | gmail notifier is crying |
| 12:02.28 | sag_ich_nicht | meh |
| 12:02.33 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't have anything to do |
| 12:02.40 | Ellipsis | "Cannot read your messages (bad data; 1)" |
| 12:02.40 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll go and break conspiracy again |
| 12:04.06 | LuckyLuciano | http://www.flashdesignwebsites.com/addons/addons1.jpg, http://www.flashdesignwebsites.com/addons/addons2.jpg, http://www.flashdesignwebsites.com/addons/addons3.jpg, and http://www.flashdesignwebsites.com/addons/addons4.jpg |
| 12:04.18 | LuckyLuciano | now, to me, that doesn't seem right, that I have THAT many addons installed o_O |
| 12:04.42 | LuckyLuciano | the majority of them are libs, that, in my uneducated state, I have NO idea what they do |
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| 12:05.02 | sag_ich_nicht | oooooooooooh i see |
| 12:05.43 | _dreamss | LuckyLuciano, start ur ui from scratch? "{ |
| 12:05.46 | _dreamss | :P |
| 12:05.53 | LuckyLuciano | :( |
| 12:06.14 | _dreamss | just redownload the addons u need |
| 12:06.18 | vhaarr | The requested URL /addons/addonsX.jpg, was not found on this server. |
| 12:06.47 | Wogroipl | remove the comma at the end :) |
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| 12:07.30 | LuckyLuciano | http://www.flashdesignwebsites.com/zachui3.jpg - thats the way it looks atm over all my chars, and it took me way longer than it looks like it should in that screenshot - removing all my addons and starting from scratch seems like an extreme option :/ |
| 12:07.56 | LuckyLuciano | except for some reason, classtimer bars are off in that SS, they should be above my target fram |
| 12:07.58 | LuckyLuciano | *frame |
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| 12:11.38 | Ellipsis | I can has quest item? http://farm1.static.flickr.com/11/14430768_c62ad40a49.jpg |
| 12:17.53 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 12:17.54 | sag_ich_nicht | LuckyLuciano |
| 12:18.15 | sag_ich_nicht | open your WAU |
| 12:18.24 | sag_ich_nicht | go to edit/preferences |
| 12:19.14 | sag_ich_nicht | check "Automatic Dependency Download" and uncheck "Default Mode WITH Externals" |
| 12:19.20 | sag_ich_nicht | then use the reinstall function of WAU |
| 12:19.40 | LuckyLuciano | did that |
| 12:20.20 | sag_ich_nicht | okay, try again if you have anything broken then |
| 12:20.51 | sag_ich_nicht | because i saw a lot of addons in your WAU that run with externals embedded(plus sign in front of the version number) |
| 12:21.00 | sag_ich_nicht | and i think that might be what broke your stuff :P |
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| 12:21.52 | LuckyLuciano | ok, noob question warning - if I delete ALL my addons (back them up first ofc) - then reinstall from WAU - will I lose ALL my configs - or are they all stored in savedvars |
| 12:22.22 | TE|Kulaar | they are stored |
| 12:23.00 | LuckyLuciano | all of them? none do anything stupid like store in their addons directory? |
| 12:23.12 | LuckyLuciano | so my ui; after installing the same addons again - will look 100% the same? |
| 12:24.39 | Cheads | yes |
| 12:24.45 | sag_ich_nicht | probably, unless you used something like clearfont2 or sharedmedia with custom fonts/sounds/etc. |
| 12:24.50 | Cheads | the settings are stored in the WTF sub folders |
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| 12:25.16 | ennuilg | AddOns can't save things anywhere but in the SavedVars tree... Part of Blizzard's security. So like s_i_n says, unless *You've* changed something there, you're alright. |
| 12:26.58 | LuckyLuciano | cleargont2 isn't a problem, had custom fonts, but i guessed about that one |
| 12:27.04 | LuckyLuciano | *font |
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| 12:32.54 | Gngsk | voice commander is pretty neat |
| 12:33.02 | Gngsk | gonna take a bit of time to tweak config though |
| 12:38.37 | LuckyLuciano | ~Pitbull_Prat |
| 12:38.50 | LuckyLuciano | mm sylvannar, what *exactly* does that do? |
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| 12:40.55 | sag_ich_nicht | does what do |
| 12:41.28 | Chompers | it adds text bubles next to pitbull unit frames when someone speaks |
| 12:42.22 | Lukian | Anyone use icehud? |
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| 12:43.09 | AU518987077 | hi all |
| 12:44.50 | Industrial | ~seen fin |
| 12:44.52 | purl | fin <i=PJIRCUse@r5da17.net.upc.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 7d 13h 43m 10s ago, saying: 'nope... this sucks the hard one, it's quite good but well, no'. |
| 12:45.25 | AU518987077 | hi there |
| 12:45.35 | AU518987077 | i was redirected here on hwo to use ace updater |
| 12:45.45 | AU518987077 | heres the situation |
| 12:46.03 | AU518987077 | i got an addon for wow called fishingbuddy |
| 12:46.23 | AU518987077 | but in teh addons page ingame at chracter selection it say depedacies missing |
| 12:46.34 | AU518987077 | and its under teh fishignbuddytoolbarfubar |
| 12:46.38 | AU518987077 | or jsut fubar |
| 12:47.54 | sag_ich_nicht | do you use fubar? |
| 12:48.00 | AU518987077 | im nto sure |
| 12:48.10 | AU518987077 | here let me laod my client |
| 12:48.14 | AU518987077 | and ill tell you waht i see |
| 12:48.30 | sag_ich_nicht | christ |
| 12:48.36 | sag_ich_nicht | i can't deal with that kind of... |
| 12:48.39 | Ellipsis | /agree sag_ich_nicht |
| 12:48.48 | sag_ich_nicht | Industrial or someone, help me :X |
| 12:49.25 | Ellipsis | oh I'm not even touching it |
| 12:49.40 | Industrial | YES |
| 12:49.43 | Ellipsis | it is *way* too late to try and wrap my brain around it |
| 12:49.43 | Industrial | DUN DUN DUN |
| 12:49.47 | Industrial | sag_ich_nicht:sup |
| 12:49.50 | Ellipsis | you do it, Industrial |
| 12:50.26 | Industrial | AU518987077: #wau |
| 12:50.38 | Industrial | sag_ich_nicht: fixed. |
| 12:50.47 | sag_ich_nicht | thank god. |
| 12:51.02 | Stan__ | "what is #wau?" |
| 12:51.17 | AU518987077 | ok |
| 12:51.22 | RogueShadow | wow ace updater? |
| 12:51.33 | Stan__ | RogueShadow: notice the " |
| 12:51.36 | Industrial | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1776756 |
| 12:51.44 | LuckyLuciano | awesomeness, after deleting and updating everything again my ui looks like fried shit. |
| 12:51.48 | AU518987077 | fishing buddy -- infobar support |
| 12:52.04 | sag_ich_nicht | LuckyLuciano o rly |
| 12:52.06 | AU518987077 | dependancies: infobar, fishing buddy |
| 12:52.08 | AU518987077 | and |
| 12:52.08 | sag_ich_nicht | well i guess you are missing something |
| 12:52.10 | RogueShadow | ah |
| 12:52.16 | sag_ich_nicht | AU518987077 just leave those alone |
| 12:52.18 | sag_ich_nicht | you don't need them. |
| 12:52.20 | RogueShadow | It's not late here, it's too early |
| 12:52.26 | AU518987077 | fubar- fishingbuddyfu |
| 12:52.31 | LuckyLuciano | i have the blizz frames, map, and bars back. |
| 12:52.40 | AU518987077 | dependancies:fubar,fishingbuddy |
| 12:52.44 | AU518987077 | wahts missing |
| 12:53.12 | LuckyLuciano | although i have sped up my load time by about 200% >_< |
| 12:53.53 | LuckyLuciano | nvm im a retard; hadn't ticked Ace2lib to load, seemed to be the error responsible |
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| 12:57.07 | Ellipsis | lol LuckyLuciano - oops |
| 12:57.29 | sag_ich_nicht | WTB Addon that tracks ignores |
| 12:57.37 | sag_ich_nicht | (not people you have ignore, people that have you on ignore) |
| 12:57.50 | orionshock | WOOT 2nd moroes kill |
| 12:57.58 | sag_ich_nicht | so what |
| 12:58.01 | sag_ich_nicht | he's a pushover. |
| 12:58.06 | sag_ich_nicht | come back when you have killed aran |
| 12:58.10 | orionshock | hehe... for you |
| 12:58.24 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 12:58.25 | sag_ich_nicht | he is. |
| 12:58.57 | orionshock | easy for you =/= easy for me |
| 13:00.22 | Stan__ | aran is gay |
| 13:00.31 | sag_ich_nicht | aran is faggot |
| 13:00.33 | Stan__ | with people running into the fire.. |
| 13:00.34 | sag_ich_nicht | *is a |
| 13:01.22 | vithos | yeah, aran's fire is SO hard. why doesn't he just burn up in it and drop loot? |
| 13:02.07 | Stan__ | cause he likes fried hunter pets |
| 13:02.21 | vithos | pets cannot trigger fire |
| 13:02.31 | orionshock | anymore |
| 13:02.36 | vithos | maybe 6 months ago they could |
| 13:02.37 | Stan__ | hm :/ |
| 13:04.23 | TNSe | they did 6 months ago ya :P |
| 13:04.34 | Elkano | Aran is easy... |
| 13:04.48 | TNSe | aran is just about knowing the fight |
| 13:04.52 | TNSe | and not have incompetent healers |
| 13:04.59 | LuckyLuciano | yay, recount and omen are functioning again! |
| 13:05.01 | Gnarfoz | aran < moroes |
| 13:05.08 | Elkano | you just need someone that could be an army drill instructor telling everyone to stay where they are |
| 13:05.13 | TNSe | moroes is soloable by a pally :P |
| 13:05.38 | Elkano | but prince is hard when you're out of luck wrt infernals |
| 13:06.01 | TNSe | prince is a lot abuot luck yes |
| 13:06.06 | TNSe | the tank can do everything right |
| 13:06.10 | TNSe | dps can do everything right |
| 13:06.25 | TNSe | and then 3 bad infernal drops fucks everything up due to bad timing with enfeeble |
| 13:06.43 | TNSe | although |
| 13:06.45 | TNSe | lol |
| 13:06.53 | TNSe | yesterday was worst p2 ever I've seen |
| 13:07.00 | TNSe | tank got 6 attacks (0 avoided) in 2 seconds |
| 13:07.04 | TNSe | and 4 of them crushed |
| 13:07.14 | TNSe | the chance of that happening? |
| 13:07.17 | vithos | parry |
| 13:07.18 | TNSe | sooo small its not true |
| 13:07.26 | TNSe | he has trash & dw in p2 |
| 13:07.51 | TNSe | we were like wtf happened |
| 13:07.59 | TNSe | I even managed to get in a 5k heal between attacks |
| 13:08.02 | TNSe | and it still didnt save him |
| 13:09.01 | TNSe | but that was crazy |
| 13:09.14 | TNSe | if last attack had been parried he'd survive it |
| 13:09.23 | Elkano | no shield bock? ;) |
| 13:09.28 | TNSe | it got eaten up |
| 13:09.29 | TNSe | instantly |
| 13:09.31 | Gngsk | no, parry = haste buff for mobs |
| 13:09.34 | TNSe | 6 attacks more or less in a row |
| 13:09.36 | xylch | Elkano: the army does not have drill instructors, that is marines, we have drill sergeants |
| 13:10.01 | Gngsk | when the mob parries your MTs abilities (or anyone elses) it resets the swing timer |
| 13:10.03 | Elkano | well, I'm not us nor did I attend army service ^^ |
| 13:10.30 | xylch | it's cool, just correcting ya :+/ |
| 13:10.47 | xylch | where u live @? |
| 13:10.49 | Elkano | well, you're welcome :) |
| 13:10.54 | TNSe | Gngsk, of course, but p2 of prince = dw + trash (2 bonus attacks) |
| 13:10.55 | Elkano | Germany |
| 13:11.05 | Gngsk | oh right |
| 13:11.09 | Gngsk | been a while since I killed prince |
| 13:11.12 | TNSe | so it was like |
| 13:11.13 | Stan__ | Elkano is german? O.o |
| 13:11.20 | TNSe | 2 attacks (bye bye shield block) |
| 13:11.24 | TNSe | another 2 attacks and trash |
| 13:11.28 | TNSe | and all last 4 crushed |
| 13:11.49 | Elkano | Stan__, allways has been ^^ |
| 13:12.06 | Stan__ | mm^^ |
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| 13:13.25 | oxman | someone knows woody ? |
| 13:13.47 | TNSe | Elkano, born that way or by choice? |
| 13:14.36 | Elkano | born... and I was lucky... a few kilometers to the south and I would have been French |
| 13:14.42 | xylch | rofl |
| 13:14.45 | Gnarfoz | that'd been tragic |
| 13:15.20 | Codayus_ | Tthe chance of hits being crushing is actually very good on a well geared tank; if your combined avoidance is > 85% but < 100%, all hits will crush. If your in Kara, you probably don't have 85% avoidance, but you'll still see a LOT of crushing. |
| 13:15.39 | xylch | I plan on moving to norway some day... I am norwegian by heritage, and it is a very beautiful place |
| 13:15.58 | TNSe | kay |
| 13:15.59 | TNSe | well |
| 13:16.01 | Elkano | crushing is 15% but can be pushed over 100 by dodge, parry and block |
| 13:16.02 | TNSe | yeah Elkano, thats lucky. |
| 13:16.25 | TNSe | xylch, I'm norwegian and welcome to our socialistic state full of terrorist planning muslims. |
| 13:17.02 | xylch | TNSe: I am in the us army... trust me... I can deal with it :+/ lol |
| 13:17.13 | TNSe | I'm serious. |
| 13:17.33 | TNSe | I swear over 90% of the muslims living in norway are terrorist leaders controlling cells around the wrold |
| 13:18.09 | TNSe | but I'm known to be pessimist |
| 13:18.12 | TNSe | although always right. |
| 13:18.18 | xylch | lol |
| 13:18.23 | xylch | I still wanna live there |
| 13:19.13 | xylch | I am presently learning the language, even tho everyone speaks english there |
| 13:19.29 | TNSe | din hestkuk |
| 13:19.42 | xylch | haven't gotten that far lol |
| 13:19.50 | TNSe | what? |
| 13:19.56 | TNSe | you dont start on laerning all the cuss words? |
| 13:20.05 | TNSe | thats always how I approach learning foreign languages |
| 13:20.08 | TNSe | first learn all cuss words |
| 13:20.09 | Ellipsis | bahaha |
| 13:20.12 | xylch | I can say like, kan jeg ha et glass vann |
| 13:20.14 | Ellipsis | that's how I started Swedish! |
| 13:20.16 | xylch | stuff like that so far |
| 13:20.17 | TNSe | so you know who to beat up when they say shit |
| 13:20.29 | TNSe | that way you get respect |
| 13:20.38 | TNSe | then you can start asking stupid questions without ebing laughed at |
| 13:21.50 | xylch | it's funny tho, cuz the book I am reading, is written in england... and there english is slightly diff, so I have to translate that too :+/ |
| 13:22.00 | Ellipsis | if you don't know the cuss words, you don't know the language IMO |
| 13:22.37 | LuckyLuciano | "love...reign o'er me" |
| 13:22.49 | xylch | I really don't see cuss words as top priority right now :+/ |
| 13:24.12 | TNSe | no? |
| 13:24.21 | TNSe | then how the heck are you going to beat respect into people making fun of you? |
| 13:24.59 | xylch | I will learn them eventually, by the time I go there |
| 13:25.13 | TNSe | you're an american soldier |
| 13:25.16 | TNSe | follow your traditions |
| 13:25.19 | TNSe | shoot first |
| 13:25.20 | TNSe | ask later |
| 13:25.23 | xylch | lol |
| 13:25.25 | TNSe | then bomb for safety. |
| 13:25.41 | TNSe | then send in UN to find the evidence you left behind. |
| 13:25.57 | Ellipsis | when in doubt, blow up a van |
| 13:26.00 | xylch | if it only worked that way |
| 13:26.04 | TNSe | ALWAYS blow up the van |
| 13:26.36 | TNSe | meh |
| 13:26.39 | TNSe | just kidding |
| 13:26.47 | xylch | we aren't allowed to shoot, unless they point their weapons at us or shoot at us |
| 13:26.55 | TNSe | at which point |
| 13:26.59 | TNSe | they either suck at aiming |
| 13:27.02 | xylch | everyone carries a damn weapon... so you can't tell if they are friendly or not |
| 13:27.03 | TNSe | and killing them is a joke |
| 13:27.07 | TNSe | or its too late. |
| 13:27.20 | TNSe | HOWS THAT FOR IRONY. |
| 13:27.31 | TNSe | "legs grow back. heads don't." |
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| 13:33.51 | Paradox | is there an ace addon for moving minimap buttons like mail / tracking etc |
| 13:34.34 | Lukian | simpleMinimap perhaps? |
| 13:34.57 | Paradox | can you move them anywhere on screen? |
| 13:35.05 | Paradox | and resize them? |
| 13:35.17 | Lukian | why would you want to? |
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| 13:36.44 | Paradox | because I want to move them to another part of the screen |
| 13:36.46 | Paradox | and resize them? |
| 13:36.47 | Paradox | :P |
| 13:37.16 | Lukian | heh |
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| 13:44.14 | promithius | hey guys, i was just wondering, does wowace have a file downloader like the UI central software from worldofwar.net? i find wowace tends to have the most up todate versions of stuff |
| 13:44.46 | orionshock | woot - shanked Wizard of Oz tonight too |
| 13:44.48 | orionshock | :D |
| 13:44.50 | orionshock | night everyone |
| 13:45.27 | LuckyLuciano | ok...trying to 'copy' a pitbull layout to another char through Rock - and it's telling me: ..\AddOns\LibRockDB-1.0\LibRockDB-1.0.lua line 199: Cannot access key "disable" in db table. You may want to use db.profile["disable"] |
| 13:45.52 | Paradox | promithius yes |
| 13:46.00 | Paradox | it's called wowaceupdater |
| 13:46.04 | Paradox | find it on the wiki easily |
| 13:46.08 | promithius | awsome, cheers muchly |
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| 14:00.54 | MoonWitch | should I be evil and make the couple resting and kissing in front of my shaded window jump up by shouting? |
| 14:01.00 | MoonWitch | oh the temptation |
| 14:01.26 | MoonWitch | oh yes, anyone have the link to WAU beta? |
| 14:01.46 | Stan__ | www.wowace.com/wau2 |
| 14:02.16 | MoonWitch | thanks Stan__ |
| 14:02.33 | dodga | MoonWitch: Water. Window. Hilarious. |
| 14:02.44 | MoonWitch | oooh dodga I like it |
| 14:02.47 | MoonWitch | brb getting water :P |
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| 14:04.44 | CIA-22 | 03sylvanaar * r49561 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/ChannelNames.lua: Prat: Not well tested. Lets you rename channels. You have to disable replacing of the numbered channel first. |
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| 14:24.47 | MoonWitch | Industrial: I am appreciating your approach on posting on the forums a whole lot more now |
| 14:25.13 | Ellipsis | I miss real Industrial =[ |
| 14:25.21 | MoonWitch | oh? |
| 14:25.23 | JoshBorke | psp |
| 14:25.25 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 14:25.26 | MoonWitch | am I missing something? |
| 14:25.32 | MoonWitch | psp? paint shop pro? |
| 14:25.43 | Ellipsis | he's too friendly during this crisis period |
| 14:25.52 | Ellipsis | needs more STFU AND LET DEVS HANDLE IT |
| 14:25.56 | MoonWitch | LOL |
| 14:26.04 | Ellipsis | and much more anti-disembedding, 4srs |
| 14:26.17 | MoonWitch | I've been tempted, but I am too new to the forums and don't want to get my ass kicked over it |
| 14:26.18 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 14:26.20 | JoshBorke | psp = lol in dvorak |
| 14:26.27 | Ellipsis | hot |
| 14:26.38 | MoonWitch | lol = lol in all other layouts |
| 14:26.50 | MoonWitch | so you use dvorak? |
| 14:26.52 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 14:27.00 | Ellipsis | I'm gonna fake-typo "psp" all the time now |
| 14:27.01 | Ellipsis | and be like |
| 14:27.16 | Ellipsis | oh, sorry I'm still getting used to my dvorak. 'caise I'm leet and stuff. |
| 14:27.30 | JoshBorke | why would you do that? |
| 14:27.36 | MoonWitch | cool .. I use US qwerty for the location of [] {} () <> on belgian azerty it's a nuissance |
| 14:27.44 | Ellipsis | because I am quite insane, JoshBorke |
| 14:27.56 | JoshBorke | perhaps you're just antagonistic? |
| 14:28.04 | Ellipsis | no hard feelings |
| 14:28.07 | Ellipsis | just a joke, relax |
| 14:28.17 | JoshBorke | who said i wasn'tr elaxed :-D |
| 14:28.25 | MoonWitch | is dvorak really that much handier? |
| 14:28.29 | JoshBorke | not really |
| 14:28.35 | Ellipsis | people in here have been scaring me today |
| 14:28.36 | JoshBorke | i learned it more as a challenge to myself |
| 14:28.39 | Ellipsis | taking my words too literally |
| 14:28.42 | Ellipsis | can't be too careful :P |
| 14:28.59 | MoonWitch | I can't type worth shit on my country's default lay-out |
| 14:28.59 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 14:29.19 | Ellipsis | me neither (and I'm a boring old English-speaking American!) |
| 14:29.28 | MoonWitch | how old are you then |
| 14:29.28 | Ellipsis | I edited my keyboard layout a bit o.o |
| 14:29.38 | Ellipsis | me? o.O |
| 14:29.43 | Industrial | MoonWitch: its not like I wanna make posts like that |
| 14:29.46 | MoonWitch | ha, I am belgian, ain't even english |
| 14:29.51 | Industrial | MoonWitch: they make me :o |
| 14:29.52 | MoonWitch | Industrial: I know, sad isn't it? |
| 14:30.07 | Ellipsis | Industrial: give innnnnnn |
| 14:30.18 | MoonWitch | Industrial: I've felt like posting with "shall I stab your eyes out or shall you do it yourself" |
| 14:30.23 | MoonWitch | but that'd be cruel |
| 14:30.41 | Industrial | well, you know, drama policy and all |
| 14:30.57 | Ellipsis | every single person who thinks Rock is a configuration addon or asks if they can just remove it... |
| 14:30.57 | MoonWitch | or "It's a change, and change *is* inevitably, except from a vending machine, which you won't find here" |
| 14:31.11 | MoonWitch | inevitable* |
| 14:31.12 | Ellipsis | makes me want to scream "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SO SHUT UP UNTIL YOU DO" |
| 14:31.39 | Nickenyfiken | And who is the drama policy police? Chief Wiggum? |
| 14:31.39 | Lukian | Ellipsis, do it :D |
| 14:31.44 | MoonWitch | I still need to look for some things in Rock Config, but it's handy though. |
| 14:32.03 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8510.0 |
| 14:32.05 | Industrial | ^ |
| 14:32.23 | MoonWitch | you have that bookmarked don't you? |
| 14:32.24 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 14:32.30 | MoonWitch | or for Ellipsis psp :P |
| 14:32.47 | Ellipsis | ^-^ |
| 14:34.41 | MoonWitch | I was testing AUctioneer Advanced again |
| 14:34.47 | Ellipsis | hm |
| 14:34.52 | MoonWitch | was sitting there wondering why on earth it didn't work |
| 14:35.00 | Ellipsis | who was it going on about purl and its sig fig cap? |
| 14:35.13 | MoonWitch | then I recalled disabling it on my characters, and re-enabled it |
| 14:35.18 | MoonWitch | eh? |
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| 14:35.39 | Ellipsis | ping Xinhuan |
| 14:36.06 | MoonWitch | gonna get prat back :P and mess with channel sounds |
| 14:36.18 | Xinhuan | pong Ellipsis |
| 14:37.09 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: wrt purl's limited calculation abilities, what do you say we make a request to the purl author to have it respond in cases it can't express sufficiently with "a suffusion of yellow"? |
| 14:37.09 | CIA-22 | 03kaybe * r49562 10Klappa/KlappaButton.lua: |
| 14:37.10 | CIA-22 | Klappa: |
| 14:37.10 | CIA-22 | -fixed bug of disappearing buttons on relog |
| 14:37.34 | MoonWitch | anyone else having WAU2 showing the launcher image and then .. nothing? |
| 14:37.35 | Xinhuan | i think i shall be content with slapping purl like that |
| 14:37.38 | Xinhuan | ~slap purl |
| 14:37.39 | purl | ACTION slaps purl, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 14:37.45 | Ellipsis | bleh |
| 14:38.01 | Ellipsis | well I thought it was funny...but I haven't slept in a couple days, so I think waffles are funny too |
| 14:38.12 | Ellipsis | I guess I'm too geeky =[ |
| 14:38.26 | MoonWitch | you should look at belgian waffles with strawberries and whipped cream |
| 14:38.28 | MoonWitch | ;) |
| 14:38.38 | Ellipsis | I think that would just make me sick, lol |
| 14:38.39 | Ellipsis | psp* |
| 14:39.44 | MoonWitch | meh need to reboot pc .. bbiab |
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| 14:45.40 | CIA-22 | 03adirelle * r49563 10CastYeller/ (CastYeller.lua Locale-enUS.lua): |
| 14:45.40 | CIA-22 | CastYeller: |
| 14:45.40 | CIA-22 | - added support for user-defined announces. |
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| 14:50.15 | alcohol | MoonWitch: yea, but I'm on Mac |
| 14:50.35 | alcohol | MoonWitch: the logo issue and wau2 not starting |
| 14:52.44 | LuckyLuciano | MoonWitch: Update your Java to the latest version, unless you're on a Mac, in which case it's a known issue |
| 14:53.34 | alcohol | it is ? |
| 14:53.39 | alcohol | cool, I'm not alone then. |
| 14:53.39 | alcohol | :> |
| 14:53.40 | LuckyLuciano | alledgedly |
| 14:57.42 | oxman | someone knows woody ? |
| 14:57.52 | oxman | someone knows woody (modality for bartender3) ? |
| 15:00.52 | alcohol | woody woodpecker |
| 15:00.53 | alcohol | arrr |
| 15:04.36 | Cartas | Hm! The hold-shift-over-item compare-tooltip makes my FPS drop massively. |
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| 15:04.50 | Cartas | Is this normal? |
| 15:05.42 | Cartas | Seems it was RatingBuster... anyone know any good alternatives? :o |
| 15:07.09 | Chompers | try updating |
| 15:07.28 | Cartas | It's the latest version. |
| 15:11.02 | aestil | eePanels + 'scaled' Frames don't work well together. |
| 15:11.13 | aestil | lots of angry and frustration when that happens. |
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| 15:15.44 | Cartas | So, anyone have a good replacement for RatingBuster? :9 |
| 15:18.31 | CIA-22 | 03ananhaid * r49564 10Prat/ (20 files in 4 dirs): Prat: Mod zhCN and zhTW Locales,Uperedit and update:Thomas Mo and Wolftankk,and missing AltNames.lua zhCN Translate,help to complete it. |
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| 15:22.18 | aestil | cartas, a calculator |
| 15:22.29 | Cartas | Hm! |
| 15:22.41 | Cartas | I don't think that's particularly viable, to be honest. |
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| 15:22.57 | TE|Kulaar | is it possible to report in a macro the cooldown of a specific spell? |
| 15:23.55 | Gngsk | what for? |
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| 15:24.50 | TE|Kulaar | I want to write a macro where i cast manatide if ready and if not reporting cd in grpchat |
| 15:25.01 | alcohol | die |
| 15:25.03 | Tornhoof | sure |
| 15:25.18 | Tornhoof | just use GetSpellCooldown() or whatever the function is |
| 15:25.30 | JoshBorke | can't do it in a macro |
| 15:25.42 | Tornhoof | you can do |
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| 15:26.06 | Tornhoof | it's just local blub = GetSpellCooldown(), if blub > 0 then SendBlah |
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| 15:26.13 | Tornhoof | no conditionals there |
| 15:26.22 | JoshBorke | ah, i see |
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| 15:26.53 | TE|Kulaar | hmm how would that look like in my case :/ |
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| 15:28.07 | Tornhoof | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSpellCooldown |
| 15:28.10 | Tornhoof | example there |
| 15:28.39 | TE|Kulaar | ty |
| 15:28.48 | TE|Kulaar | ill look into it |
| 15:29.13 | Tornhoof | just rewrite it a bit, without the cast is ready stuff and just put a /cast Mana Tide in the macro at the end |
| 15:29.30 | Nosrac | ckknight: did my Updated Jira Request make more sense? (http://jira.wowace.com/browse/ROCK-58) |
| 15:30.02 | Nyli | hello. would anyone know why Omen doesn't show myself on my and on any other raid members using Omen? |
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| 15:30.49 | Chompers | do you use dotimer? |
| 15:31.14 | Nyli | nope. SorrenTimers |
| 15:31.22 | Chompers | no idea then |
| 15:31.24 | renchap | ckknight: http://perso.renchap.com/rockbug.jpg do you know what is the problem ? other chars works fine |
| 15:31.34 | Chompers | try updating manually perhaps |
| 15:31.51 | TE|Kulaar | how can i get the spellID? |
| 15:32.05 | Nyli | allright, will try |
| 15:32.10 | Paradox | has the bug in rock been fixed so you can 'copy from' other profiles yet |
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| 15:41.50 | Tornhoof | te| kullar just use the name ;) |
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| 15:42.54 | TE|Kulaar | oke |
| 15:48.13 | Cartas | So, anyone have a good replacement for RatingBuster? :9 Currently my FPS takes a huge dive when I hold shift over an item with it. |
| 15:48.14 | BankZ | I wish there was a FPS test for wow so you could better judge settings |
| 15:53.08 | Chompers | Cartas - i don't think one exists |
| 15:53.17 | Cartas | Aw. |
| 15:53.27 | Cartas | Hmm... |
| 15:53.37 | Chompers | are you sure nothing else is causing the issue? |
| 15:53.47 | Cartas | Certainly. I removed RatingBuster. |
| 15:53.48 | Chompers | do you use equip compair? |
| 15:54.02 | Cartas | I'm using the comparison that is in Blizzard's Default UI. |
| 15:54.07 | Cartas | (It is in that, right?_0 |
| 15:54.08 | Chompers | good |
| 15:54.13 | Chompers | yeah, that's fine |
| 15:54.15 | Cartas | Okay. |
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| 15:54.27 | Cartas | Well, when I disable RatingBuster, the problem doesn't occur, so. |
| 15:54.39 | Cartas | I can only see it as being either Blizzard's method or RatingBuster. |
| 15:55.16 | Ironhand | can anyone recommend an addon (preferably Ace) that will allow me to move UI frames such as the top-middle warning messages ("Not enough rage", etc), and save the position? |
| 15:55.33 | Cartas | ErrorMonster lets you move them, as far as I know. |
| 15:55.40 | Cartas | Not sure if it offers much freedom in that respect, however. |
| 15:55.58 | oxman | how can I use variable in a macro condition ? a Real macro condition (I must use my variable in a conditon macro because Modality only accept condition macro) |
| 15:56.05 | Ironhand | thanks Cartas, I'll have a look :-) |
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| 15:57.10 | Silowyi | Cartas: Sometimes module + module interactions can cause problems. In particular I've found that with most item tooltip-modifying addons, the Auctioneer suite frequently has issues. But it and the "problem" addon both work fine by themselves. |
| 15:57.23 | Cartas | Hm |
| 15:58.39 | Silowyi | so it might not be Rating Buster so much as another addon that Rating Buster conflicts with. I'd suspect that since Rating Buster works fine for me. |
| 15:59.44 | Knaledge | ckknight: Any way to remove the text from the cast bar (mob name)? |
| 15:59.56 | Knaledge | I cast a Fireball at my target and it appears as "Fireball" |
| 16:00.05 | Knaledge | but then if I cast again at the same target |
| 16:00.16 | Knaledge | it says "Fireball (name_of_mob)" |
| 16:00.33 | Knaledge | and it overlaps the timing information, etc. |
| 16:01.16 | Pkekyo | why the flying fuck does people always scream their longues off about 'last spot' when they need people for instance? |
| 16:02.52 | Xinhuan | [9/23 23:45:51] <Cartas> So, anyone have a good replacement for RatingBuster? :9 Currently my FPS takes a huge dive when I hold shift over an item with it. |
| 16:02.58 | Xinhuan | there is no fix for it until next patch i think! |
| 16:03.12 | Cartas | Oh! It's a Blizzard problem, then? |
| 16:03.14 | Knaledge | I haven't had that problem at all |
| 16:03.20 | Xinhuan | yeah blizzard uses a OnUpdate function |
| 16:03.24 | Xinhuan | to update tooltips |
| 16:03.35 | Xinhuan | to check for the shift key being held down |
| 16:03.46 | Xinhuan | so every frame you are invoking ratingbuster's tooltip modifiying addon |
| 16:03.47 | Xinhuan | for it |
| 16:04.00 | Xinhuan | for the "comparison tooltip" |
| 16:04.03 | Cartas | Ah, okay :( |
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| 16:04.12 | Cartas | Is there anyway to diable Blizzard's comparison tooltip? |
| 16:04.12 | Knaledge | that's weird.. I have compare tooltips turned on always and it isn't slowing me down |
| 16:04.20 | Xinhuan | in otherwords, it isn't something that is calculated once - and displayed |
| 16:04.30 | Xinhuan | it is being calculated once every frame |
| 16:04.33 | Cartas | It's displayed over and over and over, yeh :( |
| 16:04.51 | Cartas | So, is there a way to disable it so I can use TekKompare instead? :o |
| 16:04.53 | Xinhuan | Knaledge: try staring into a wall so yu have 300 FPS or something |
| 16:04.59 | Xinhuan | then hold shift on an equipment |
| 16:05.31 | Xinhuan | in fact, just mouseovering an item in the bags already causes a FPS dive |
| 16:05.47 | Xinhuan | because that tooltip without holding the shift-key is already refreshed once every frame due to blizzard's OnUpdate |
| 16:05.55 | Knaledge | hrm. |
| 16:06.04 | Knaledge | I wonder if it's different for Mac users |
| 16:06.09 | Nosrac | Nah |
| 16:06.11 | Knaledge | I'm at 122 FPS indoors at IF |
| 16:06.17 | Knaledge | and I am comparing tooltips |
| 16:06.21 | Knaledge | and I'm at 122 FPS |
| 16:06.28 | Xinhuan | stare into a wall or youwon't see the difference |
| 16:06.37 | Knaledge | that's what I am doing |
| 16:06.52 | Cartas | 80FPS while stood in Zangermarsh, looking into the distance. |
| 16:06.57 | Cartas | Drops to 60FPS when I compare. |
| 16:07.08 | Cartas | Sometimes it just likes to drop down even more, to 30FPS or so :S |
| 16:07.14 | Knaledge | maybe it's an option in RB like one of the stat displays that's causing an issue |
| 16:07.17 | Xinhuan | you should have like 100 FPS if you dont mouseover an item, and 80 when you do, if yu have 60 when you compare lol |
| 16:07.37 | Knaledge | weird |
| 16:07.37 | Cartas | ~85FPS while doing none. |
| 16:07.43 | Knaledge | I don't know what to say really |
| 16:07.49 | Knaledge | IT's just not happening to me |
| 16:07.49 | Cartas | ~75FPS while hovering. |
| 16:07.53 | Cartas | ~60 when comparing :p |
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| 16:08.21 | Xinhuan | its blizzard's excuse to use an UpOndate as an excuse that it is needed to "update cooldowns" on the tooltips |
| 16:08.26 | Xinhuan | but they are changing that next patch |
| 16:08.47 | TE|Kulaar | someone using "Assessment" here? |
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| 16:11.10 | Cartas | I guess it's effecting me more than most for some reason then, Xinhuan? |
| 16:11.35 | Cartas | 180 -> 140 -> 100. :o |
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| 16:11.37 | Xinhuan | do you have any other addon that is adding extra stuff to tooltips? |
| 16:11.46 | Xinhuan | they all contribute |
| 16:11.50 | Cartas | Nothing whatsoever! |
| 16:11.58 | Cartas | RatingBuster is the only thing adding anything to the tooltip, |
| 16:12.00 | Xinhuan | prob just wait for next patch |
| 16:12.04 | Cartas | TinyTip doesn't do anything, right? |
| 16:12.10 | Xinhuan | not sure on that one |
| 16:12.14 | Xinhuan | yu can try disabling it |
| 16:12.48 | Cartas | Ah, it's no problem really, I'll survive! :p |
| 16:13.17 | Knaledge | perhaps informant? |
| 16:13.18 | Xinhuan | i definitly dont' have such a large fps drop |
| 16:13.23 | Knaledge | it generates it's own tooltips |
| 16:14.01 | Xinhuan | informat and others like enhtooltip, etc will affect yes. its still hooked to the SetHyperlink |
| 16:14.28 | Knaledge | yeah I wonder if that's why I'm not seeing it |
| 16:14.34 | Knaledge | but I am on my bank alt |
| 16:14.43 | Knaledge | let me check my main that doesn't use either of those |
| 16:15.04 | Cartas | I don't have Informat or enhtooltip, never heard of them. |
| 16:15.49 | Knaledge | there's no need to use either if you aren't already |
| 16:16.01 | Knaledge | especially if the intent is to "hotfix" this FPS issue you're having |
| 16:16.09 | Knaledge | oddly enough, it occurs on my main |
| 16:16.19 | Knaledge | However, I may not have ever noticed this though |
| 16:16.48 | Knaledge | Because I really only raid. So my FPS in most instances is around 80-100 FPS and drops to 40-60 when everyone is doing their thing |
| 16:17.08 | Knaledge | I'm in Shatt right now and I'm pulling 40~ FPS staring at the center, max draw dist, culling off |
| 16:17.19 | Cartas | Culling? |
| 16:17.23 | Knaledge | when I compare tooltips with RB I stay at 40~ FPS |
| 16:17.28 | Knaledge | yeah uhm... what is it called |
| 16:17.32 | Knaledge | LoD? |
| 16:17.35 | Knaledge | Level of detail? |
| 16:17.39 | Cartas | Okay |
| 16:17.42 | Knaledge | whatever the option is |
| 16:18.05 | Knaledge | so it's weird... at lower FPS I stay constant regardless of what I'm doing (comparing, not comparing, etc.) |
| 16:18.17 | Knaledge | when I stare at a wall I am getting 180~ FPS |
| 16:18.32 | Knaledge | mousing over = 170~ |
| 16:18.49 | Knaledge | comparing = 160 - 165~ |
| 16:18.59 | Jameseh | Honestly, I never noticed the difference in anything over 80fps |
| 16:19.12 | [dRaCo] | just send me your pc. I'll check it. :þ |
| 16:19.20 | Cartas | :O |
| 16:19.24 | Knaledge | You shouldnt really. But I'm not going to stop my Mac from doing it's thing |
| 16:19.34 | Cartas | Ah, no wonder your FPS is so low. |
| 16:19.35 | Cartas | A Mac! |
| 16:19.36 | Cartas | That explains it. |
| 16:19.37 | Cartas | ;) |
| 16:19.37 | Knaledge | lol |
| 16:19.56 | Jameseh | My previous pc was awful, I remember I'd have a static fps of about 4 at places like Vashj phase 3 |
| 16:20.15 | Knaledge | this MAc is better than most PC's so I doubt it's that. Although Steve Jobs sends me e-mails asking about how he'd like to change the "You Must Restart" screen to blue and see what I think |
| 16:20.55 | Knaledge | stupid hacked wireless drivers |
| 16:21.13 | [dRaCo] | how much did you pay for your mac? |
| 16:21.28 | Knaledge | $2238.57 |
| 16:21.39 | Knaledge | after tax, using a student discount, and launch day |
| 16:21.43 | Knaledge | Mac Pro |
| 16:21.49 | [dRaCo] | :/ |
| 16:22.00 | Cartas | Ouch. |
| 16:22.06 | Cartas | That sounds expensive. |
| 16:22.11 | Knaledge | You can't build a comparable PC for that much |
| 16:22.11 | [dRaCo] | it is. |
| 16:22.21 | Cartas | I got a cheaper PC with, I guess, better stats! |
| 16:22.21 | [dRaCo] | 2k$? |
| 16:22.24 | Cartas | Although I don't know your specs. |
| 16:22.26 | Cartas | List 'em! :) |
| 16:22.31 | alcohol | WoW runs splendid on my Mac |
| 16:22.42 | Cartas | Better had do considering the price of it :P |
| 16:22.45 | Knaledge | Build a dual, dual core 3.0Ghz PC with a GB of ECC DDR2 FBDIMM |
| 16:22.55 | Fisker- | i think the most expensive most over the top laptop i've ever seen non-mac was at 2k$ |
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| 16:23.10 | [dRaCo] | I can get a dual 8800 gtx with 5k+ x2 amd and 2 gb ram for 2k$ |
| 16:23.12 | Knaledge | and a 250GB Sata3 hard drive (with 16MB cache not the cheapy 8MB ones) |
| 16:23.24 | Knaledge | Yeah but I still get two more CPU's than you |
| 16:23.28 | alcohol | mac's are without doubt more expensive. but for the money you really get something. not just specs, but design also. cause face it, they're frickin' sexy |
| 16:23.29 | Knaledge | and better RAM |
| 16:24.05 | Cartas | I have 2gb DDR2, Core 2 Duo E6600, 150gb Sata II 16MB Cache, 300gb Sata II 16mb cache, x1900XT, x1900XTX (running in crossfire). |
| 16:24.21 | Fisker- | overheating macs which make the laptop itself look shitty isn't that sexy to me |
| 16:24.24 | Fisker- | also mac os |
| 16:24.33 | [dRaCo] | but 2 8800GTX pretty much pwn everything that apple has, afaik |
| 16:24.36 | alcohol | overheating ? |
| 16:24.40 | alcohol | my iMac has never overheated |
| 16:24.47 | alcohol | heck, I wonder if it even gets hot at all |
| 16:24.49 | Knaledge | yeah honeslty don't chalk up what you hear on the news to how it performs |
| 16:24.51 | Jameseh | 2 8800GTX's are just overkill, to be honest |
| 16:24.52 | alcohol | I never hear a fan or anything |
| 16:24.53 | Knaledge | yeah exactly |
| 16:24.59 | Knaledge | lrn2useacomputer |
| 16:25.16 | [dRaCo] | Jameseh: of course they are. |
| 16:25.18 | Knaledge | The point being for $2300~ you can't build a better PC to out do a Mac Pro |
| 16:25.21 | Fisker- | nah not just in the news |
| 16:25.24 | Knaledge | period |
| 16:25.25 | [dRaCo] | but I can get that for 2k$ |
| 16:25.36 | alcohol | [dRaCo]: you're forgetting that OS X is unlike Windows, better specs don't necessarily run a better system. |
| 16:25.46 | Cartas | True. Windows XP is better. |
| 16:25.49 | alcohol | haha |
| 16:25.51 | alcohol | you wish |
| 16:25.51 | Fisker- | definitely |
| 16:26.01 | alcohol | XP doesn't cut it compared to OS X |
| 16:26.10 | Fisker- | XP can run games |
| 16:26.11 | Cartas | The latest craze I've heard from Mac users is, 'I CAN RUN WINDOWS XP ON MY MAC!' |
| 16:26.12 | alcohol | memory managed is 10x better in OS X, for one |
| 16:26.14 | Knaledge | the HAL in windows alone is enough to force mos serious app devs to Mac. In XP anyhow |
| 16:26.19 | alcohol | Fisker-: I play WoW, your point being ? |
| 16:26.22 | Fisker- | Mac OS X can play crap + Blizzard titles |
| 16:26.25 | Cartas | Why would you be so happy that you can use Windows XP on your Mac if Windows XP was so bad? |
| 16:26.28 | Knaledge | Vista corrects a lot of that |
| 16:26.31 | alcohol | Fisker-: that's not the issue |
| 16:26.52 | Knaledge | Cartas: I have three Macs and two PCs |
| 16:26.53 | Fisker- | No of course not, it's everyone elses fault |
| 16:26.57 | alcohol | Cartas: I don't use XP, I run Vista for some games. though I hardly boot into it. |
| 16:27.00 | [dRaCo] | well, what's your point? win xp runs well on my 3200+ amd. |
| 16:27.16 | [dRaCo] | so a better system wont be of any use there. |
| 16:27.22 | [dRaCo] | It's just gaming performance |
| 16:27.28 | Knaledge | My girlfriend is a professional (read: has her own studio and clients) photographer |
| 16:27.33 | Cidan | I have a 3200+, and I regret it |
| 16:27.37 | Cidan | I need to go to AM2 |
| 16:27.43 | Cidan | and get a 5000+ X2 |
| 16:27.46 | Knaledge | I like flash and gaming and design |
| 16:27.51 | alcohol | OS X is better than XP, that's my point. it's a point that isn't even to debate in my opinion. you can rant about game compatibility all you want, but that doesn't change a thing. |
| 16:27.51 | [dRaCo] | and better hardware usually leads to better performance in games. |
| 16:28.00 | Cartas | alcohol: Why did you even bring it up? |
| 16:28.05 | Knaledge | I could either buy two really good computers (Mac and PC) |
| 16:28.08 | Cartas | We were comparing hardware, besides, you can use Linux on a PC. |
| 16:28.09 | Fisker- | actually it does |
| 16:28.12 | Cartas | It doesn't have to be Windows! |
| 16:28.15 | Knaledge | or buy one really good Mac that can run both OSX and Windows |
| 16:28.20 | Fisker- | since i have no usage for Mac OS X it's useless ot me |
| 16:28.24 | alcohol | Knaledge: and linux |
| 16:28.26 | Cartas | Or just buy a PC and not use a Mac, Knaledge. |
| 16:28.27 | Knaledge | It was less expensive to buy the Mac Pro |
| 16:28.29 | CIA-22 | 03sinaloit * r49565 10Cartographer_Cleanup/ (. Cleanup.lua): |
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| 16:28.32 | [dRaCo] | Cidan: yeah, those are cool. but I bought mine back then when the AM2 wasnt released. |
| 16:28.33 | Knaledge | uh no |
| 16:28.38 | Knaledge | because you don't seem to understand |
| 16:28.45 | Cartas | alcohol: Do Mac adverts insult you? |
| 16:28.53 | alcohol | I've never seen one, wouldn't know |
| 16:28.55 | Knaledge | We already own $10,000~ in software for a Mac |
| 16:28.57 | Cartas | They advertise that Macs are for idiots, you know :O |
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| 16:29.02 | Cartas | Good job you don't watch them, Alcohol! |
| 16:29.07 | Cartas | 'Tis disgusting, really. |
| 16:29.08 | Knaledge | (which is more expensive to own on a PC sadly) |
| 16:29.29 | Knaledge | So for her software that we already own, we got her a Mac |
| 16:29.34 | Pkekyo | what kind of items becomes arcane dusts when DEed? |
| 16:29.35 | Xinhuan | lua> are you here? |
| 16:29.37 | Knaledge | for the software I already own, I got a Mac |
| 16:29.39 | Xinhuan | guess nt |
| 16:29.40 | Xinhuan | not |
| 16:29.51 | Knaledge | I can run windows, she can run OSX |
| 16:30.02 | Knaledge | $2300 = two birds, one stone |
| 16:30.13 | alcohol | mac pro? |
| 16:30.16 | Knaledge | yeah |
| 16:30.17 | [dRaCo] | Pkekyo: wowhead.com :þ |
| 16:30.20 | Thumann | hi, i have a little macro that sends a whisper to the targeted player, but if nobody is targetted, i get a UI error.. any way to fix that? so it 1, either just shuts up and does nothing :) or it targets the nearest player and then say it |
| 16:30.21 | alcohol | those machines are insane beasts <3 |
| 16:30.43 | Knaledge | exactly - hence the discussion that you can't build a PC equally spec'd as a Mac Pro for the same cost. |
| 16:30.50 | Knaledge | I've tried. I did try. |
| 16:30.54 | Knaledge | hence my other two PC's lol |
| 16:31.24 | Cartas | Well, Knaledge. You can build a PC better spec'd for cheaper. |
| 16:31.27 | Cartas | Not an equal one for the same cost. |
| 16:31.30 | Knaledge | no, you can't. |
| 16:31.35 | Knaledge | go ahead and try |
| 16:31.40 | Knaledge | newegg.com, zipzoomfly |
| 16:31.44 | Knaledge | fry's |
| 16:31.46 | Cartas | I'm in England :o |
| 16:32.09 | Knaledge | anything you can think of. Show me a motherboard for a PC that costs less than $500~ that supports two Intel CX5100~ |
| 16:32.18 | Knaledge | AND FBDIMM ECC DDR2 |
| 16:32.27 | Knaledge | AND sata3 |
| 16:32.49 | [dRaCo] | AND makes you coffee |
| 16:32.51 | [dRaCo] | ! |
| 16:32.52 | Knaledge | oh yeah then go buy two CX5000 processors (5200 actually for the 3.0Ghz model) |
| 16:32.57 | Cartas | Coffee is disgusting! |
| 16:33.05 | *** part/#wowace JoshBorke (n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu) |
| 16:33.06 | Knaledge | you can't do it. It's not possible. I've tried. |
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| 16:33.25 | Knaledge | I eveh vae a 9 pt margin with dell at peak |
| 16:33.38 | Knaledge | and to get something comparable from them I'd have to spend $300 more |
| 16:33.48 | Knaledge | *have |
| 16:34.55 | [dRaCo] | why would I wanna buy an Intel CPU, btw? amd has more bang for the buck... at least for normal desktops |
| 16:35.04 | Knaledge | ... |
| 16:35.09 | Cartas | Intel are currently in the lead :o |
| 16:35.18 | [dRaCo] | performace, yes |
| 16:35.21 | Knaledge | yeah that was a pretty uninformed statement |
| 16:35.28 | Cartas | Pretty? |
| 16:35.38 | Knaledge | @draco |
| 16:35.43 | [dRaCo] | sure. |
| 16:35.49 | Knaledge | C2D > AMD X2 |
| 16:35.58 | Knaledge | maybe phenom > C2D |
| 16:36.05 | kenlyric | draco lives in 2005, I think. |
| 16:36.10 | Knaledge | but that's months away and then you've got pricecuts on the quads from Intel |
| 16:36.27 | Cartas | I think I'll leave Quad for the moment, to be honest. |
| 16:36.28 | Knaledge | Don't get me wrong - I like AMD |
| 16:36.31 | Cartas | Not so many things really support it, right? |
| 16:36.40 | Knaledge | on PC no |
| 16:36.43 | Knaledge | on Mac yes |
| 16:36.48 | Knaledge | rather |
| 16:36.49 | Knaledge | Windows no |
| 16:36.51 | Knaledge | OSX yes |
| 16:36.53 | Cartas | Because Macs are slower, they need the fasterness! |
| 16:36.57 | Cartas | lol |
| 16:37.04 | Knaledge | no, SMP on Macs is old news |
| 16:37.16 | Knaledge | namely OSX |
| 16:37.27 | Knaledge | and its better in Leopard due to 64bit |
| 16:37.38 | Knaledge | Vista caught p and is doing well |
| 16:37.51 | Cartas | You think Vista is worthwhile compared to XP? |
| 16:38.02 | Knaledge | but it won't be until many more DX10 games come out that you'll see A) adoption of SMP native in Windows and B) SMP in Vista enabled |
| 16:38.13 | Knaledge | From an IT standpoint .... sort of. |
| 16:38.19 | Knaledge | net stack is hella better in Vista |
| 16:38.32 | Cartas | What does that mean? The net will be more efficient? |
| 16:38.35 | Knaledge | and scripting is easier/more manageable, especially with WinServer 2008 |
| 16:38.53 | Knaledge | it means I can control policies better relating to network control |
| 16:38.58 | Cartas | Ah, okay. |
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| 16:39.15 | Knaledge | I like both, Windows and OSX. |
| 16:39.26 | Knaledge | and honestly those PC vs Mac commercials should be more like XP vs OSX |
| 16:39.31 | alcohol | I like vista more than XP |
| 16:40.12 | alcohol | never had issues with XP in the past, and vista runs swell at work (and here too, though I rarely use it, so not really worth comparing). |
| 16:40.14 | Cartas | I dislike the whole feel from Mac advertisements, really. |
| 16:40.22 | Knaledge | You're not the only one Cartas |
| 16:40.23 | Cartas | They are basically claiming that idiots should use macs. |
| 16:40.34 | Knaledge | it's passive aggressive but the speak the truth in most cases. |
| 16:40.42 | Knaledge | However, it's not a PC limitation |
| 16:40.44 | Cartas | 'My printer just wasn't talking to my PC so I bought a Mac', I think one guy says. |
| 16:40.53 | Knaledge | those ads are geared toward the OOB experience |
| 16:40.56 | Cartas | I mean, come on... your printer doesn't work so you buy a Mac? |
| 16:41.10 | Knaledge | heh |
| 16:41.13 | Knaledge | again |
| 16:41.16 | Knaledge | OOB experience |
| 16:41.18 | Cartas | OOB? |
| 16:41.21 | Knaledge | out of box |
| 16:41.22 | Tornhoof | out of box |
| 16:41.28 | Cartas | lol |
| 16:41.32 | Knaledge | tit for tat OOB on Mac > XP |
| 16:41.48 | Cartas | My "OOB" experience was great with XP, really :o |
| 16:41.48 | alcohol | yea, but even OS X comes kind of bloated, like windows does OOB |
| 16:41.52 | Knaledge | but the commercials fail to realize not ... ALL... XP (Windows) users are dullards |
| 16:41.56 | Cartas | How can anyone find it hard? |
| 16:42.00 | Cartas | Dullards? :o |
| 16:42.12 | alcohol | though.. |
| 16:42.18 | Knaledge | true OSX is a BIT bloated |
| 16:42.18 | Lyfe | os x indeed comes with a lot of stuff.. but it's USEFUL. |
| 16:42.19 | alcohol | my vista install has auto login set somewhere |
| 16:42.24 | alcohol | and I cannot find the option to turn it off |
| 16:42.25 | alcohol | >< |
| 16:42.30 | alcohol | the password for it is incorrect |
| 16:42.32 | Knaledge | but at least none of it runs in memory until called *cough Windows *cough* |
| 16:42.38 | alcohol | I'm thinking a registry setting somewhere or something |
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| 16:43.05 | Cartas | The adverts that make out that a PC is only for the most boring businessman in the universe is also false advertising :p |
| 16:43.07 | xyu | vista and WAU are not very friendly towards each other. ^^ |
| 16:43.09 | [dRaCo] | so, Intel has the best cpu atm. nobody questioned that. |
| 16:43.11 | alcohol | yea but, OS X memory management is 10x better by default anyway |
| 16:43.18 | Knaledge | exactly |
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| 16:43.19 | Pkekyo | anyone know how to avoid the forced MSN Messenger update? |
| 16:43.30 | cncfanatics | get pidgin ? |
| 16:43.32 | xyu | use trillian!@ |
| 16:43.33 | cncfanatics | yo peeps btw |
| 16:43.41 | alcohol | trillian ewwww |
| 16:43.41 | RogueShadow | pidgin ftw |
| 16:43.43 | alcohol | pidgin ftw |
| 16:43.46 | Knaledge | XP without any scipting or policy management is garbage |
| 16:43.46 | Cartas | Pidgin? Ewwww. |
| 16:43.55 | cncfanatics | Pidgin = win |
| 16:43.56 | cncfanatics | seriously |
| 16:44.03 | Cartas | How come no IM program can even come close to comparing with WLM? :( |
| 16:44.11 | alcohol | trillian is like a huge bloated eye candy bubble |
| 16:44.11 | Cartas | MSN fails at many things, yet no-one has made anything to beat it yet. |
| 16:44.12 | RogueShadow | I used to use trillian, and I can see some merit too it, but it crashes too much. |
| 16:44.15 | Cartas | It's just mind-boggling! |
| 16:44.15 | Knaledge | if you want OOB experience and better functonality go Vista |
| 16:44.18 | RogueShadow | and yes, it causes problems |
| 16:44.23 | Knaledge | Yeah same here |
| 16:44.31 | Knaledge | I've paid for Trillian for 4 years now |
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| 16:44.38 | Knaledge | went Pidgin 4 months ago |
| 16:44.42 | Knaledge | haven't looked back |
| 16:44.45 | Knaledge | fuck Astra |
| 16:44.46 | Pkekyo | I don't want new IM software, I just don't want Live Messenger with fucking script errors popping every two seconds... |
| 16:44.51 | xyu | I haven't had problems w/ trillian. well astra sucks atm. |
| 16:44.57 | Cartas | WLM brings up script errors? :o |
| 16:45.08 | alcohol | live messenger gives you errors ? |
| 16:45.11 | alcohol | wtf did you do with it ? |
| 16:45.14 | Cartas | I've used GAIM and Pidgin and Miranda and Trillian and etc. etc. etc. |
| 16:45.19 | alcohol | delete half the dll's it uses or something ? |
| 16:45.20 | Cartas | But none of them can better MSN/WLM :( |
| 16:45.23 | Pkekyo | alcohol: installed it |
| 16:45.24 | kaelten | Adium and Colloquy for me :) |
| 16:45.24 | Cartas | Hopefully one day! |
| 16:45.28 | alcohol | I've never had a single error from it. |
| 16:45.29 | RogueShadow | What features in particular are you missing. |
| 16:45.32 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 16:45.37 | Knaledge | kaeltan: agreed |
| 16:45.44 | alcohol | adium here too |
| 16:45.50 | Nosrac | Adium ftw |
| 16:45.50 | Pkekyo | alcohol: no, it's that goddamn piece of shit ad on the bottom that keeps throwing internet explorer script errors |
| 16:45.50 | alcohol | which uses lidpidgin |
| 16:45.53 | Knaledge | especially the newer betas |
| 16:45.58 | alcohol | Pkekyo: www.apatch.tk |
| 16:46.01 | alcohol | solved |
| 16:46.02 | alcohol | kthx |
| 16:46.06 | Nosrac | and Coluqoy ;-) |
| 16:46.13 | xyu | the thing i hate about WLM is all those annoying "personalized" smileys |
| 16:46.21 | alcohol | turn them off ? |
| 16:46.22 | Chompers | mess.be also, the mess patch fixes it up good |
| 16:46.24 | alcohol | jeez. |
| 16:46.24 | Kaelten | I do wish that they where available on win boxes though |
| 16:46.32 | Cartas | That's not WLM's fault! That's your friends being silly using them all the time ;) |
| 16:46.38 | alcohol | Chompers: ewww |
| 16:46.40 | Knaledge | http://apatch.org/ |
| 16:46.45 | Cartas | Kaelten! |
| 16:46.45 | alcohol | belgium shizzle sux |
| 16:47.05 | Cartas | Zvarri! The truth has once again elegantly revealed itself... |
| 16:47.12 | xyu | Yeah that's all fine and dandy but i use ICQ and AIM as well. And prefer to have them on one list. i just wanted to point out that personalized smileys are annoying ^^ |
| 16:47.22 | Cartas | lol, Kaelten. Don't hide, old chap! |
| 16:47.36 | alcohol | xyu: turn them off. |
| 16:48.09 | xyu | It's weird the different communities that use IM's. All my gamer friends use ICQ. all my michigan state univ mates use AIM. |
| 16:48.13 | Recluse | i use old aim 5.9 and avoid the rest. everything including aim6 is insanely bloated |
| 16:48.17 | xyu | and my family and friends outside of school use MSN |
| 16:48.23 | Pkekyo | I hate microsoft! I wanna keep my msn messenger 6.5 :< |
| 16:48.36 | Cartas | lol |
| 16:48.46 | Cartas | Show them you hate them by only using their programs. |
| 16:48.54 | alcohol | xyu: you think in programs, ewwie. I think in networks, which are irrelevant since I use adium. |
| 16:48.54 | Kaelten | *cough* buy a mac and get adium *cough* |
| 16:48.59 | Cartas | Woah, Kaelten. |
| 16:49.02 | Paradox | I use trillian |
| 16:49.11 | JoshBorke | ~lart Kaelten |
| 16:49.11 | purl | moos at Kaelten |
| 16:49.17 | Cartas | WLM for Windows, Audium for Mac. Anything else is worthless! |
| 16:49.29 | Kaelten | well mooo your self purl |
| 16:49.29 | alcohol | pidgin for windows runs quite well too |
| 16:49.33 | xyu | alcohol: buy me a mac ^^ |
| 16:49.39 | alcohol | why ? |
| 16:49.39 | Cartas | It doesn't have the functionality of MSN, I find, Alcohol. :( |
| 16:49.43 | alcohol | download pidgin. |
| 16:49.47 | mikma | bitlbee <3 <3 |
| 16:49.49 | alcohol | true. |
| 16:49.53 | Kaelten | ya I use pidgin on windows and standalone Chatzilla so that I don't have to leave FF in memory all the time |
| 16:49.56 | alcohol | no video chat shizzle. |
| 16:50.03 | xyu | why not? ! for school <3 it's the "in" thing to bring your laptop to class now |
| 16:50.07 | xyu | so i have to go in style |
| 16:50.17 | Cartas | Once Pidgin is upgraded to incorporate a few things and have a few improvements over WLM, I'm there! |
| 16:50.36 | alcohol | yea they have projects open for most common functions |
| 16:50.40 | alcohol | just a matter of time |
| 16:50.42 | Pkekyo | MSN 6.5<3 R.I.P. |
| 16:50.43 | mikma | http://www.bitlbee.org/ go go!! |
| 16:50.58 | xyu | no one mentioned miranda IM :P |
| 16:51.00 | xyu | poor guys |
| 16:51.08 | Cartas | I mentioned it. |
| 16:51.13 | Cartas | I said it was nothing compred to WLM. |
| 16:51.17 | Cartas | You must've missed that. |
| 16:51.25 | alcohol | mikma: eww that looks icky |
| 16:51.37 | xyu | i only have eyes for mIRC :/ |
| 16:51.39 | mikma | alcohol: but it works like a charm. |
| 16:51.55 | mikma | alcohol: it's basicly msn/icq/gtalk in your favorite irc-client |
| 16:52.18 | Cartas | Jack of all trades, master of none! |
| 16:52.25 | Cartas | I much prefer specialised applications myself. |
| 16:52.34 | alcohol | I prefer to keep xchat solely for irc |
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| 16:53.03 | mikma | well irssi + bitlbee is great combo |
| 16:53.17 | mikma | my icq msn and gtalk are in window nr.10 |
| 16:53.20 | xyu | UO got me addicted to IRC. before then i wasn't really into irc unless i needed to get mp3's |
| 16:53.22 | renchap | mikma: and screen :) |
| 16:53.24 | alcohol | [iTunes] Felix Da Housecat - Rocket Ride (Devin Dazzle And The Neon Fever/256kbps/2:37m) |
| 16:53.25 | alcohol | rawr <3 |
| 16:53.26 | mikma | renchap: ;) |
| 16:53.41 | renchap | Irssi uptime: 72d 9h 32m 2s \o/ |
| 16:53.55 | mikma | Irssi uptime: 48d 14h 42m 22s :( |
| 16:54.06 | Cartas | Does Irssi run on Windows? |
| 16:54.13 | mikma | yeah with.. hmm |
| 16:54.26 | mikma | cygwin |
| 16:54.37 | Cartas | Cygwin? |
| 16:54.37 | renchap | Cartas: the best way is to run it from an unix server |
| 16:54.41 | Cartas | Ah, okay. |
| 16:54.46 | xyu | do any IM protocols support Skype yet? |
| 16:54.48 | Cartas | I don't have a Unix server, I guess it's mIRC for me :'( |
| 16:54.56 | Kaelten | irssi is ok, but I much prefere some of the non termainal based options ;) |
| 16:54.57 | mikma | cygwin is just basicly a very small unix-terminal for windows |
| 16:54.59 | Kaelten | Cartas: Chatzilla? |
| 16:55.02 | mikma | and with that, you can run irssi |
| 16:55.03 | renchap | with screen + irssi, you are always on IRC |
| 16:55.08 | Cartas | Does that mean I have to have Firefox running, Kaelten? |
| 16:55.14 | Kaelten | nope |
| 16:55.16 | mikma | but with combo that renchap mentioned is the best |
| 16:55.18 | Kaelten | let me find the link |
| 16:55.19 | Cartas | Oh, it's a seperate application? |
| 16:55.24 | Cartas | Hey, Kaelten! |
| 16:55.29 | Cartas | Not hiding from me anymore, old chap? |
| 16:55.31 | Kaelten | it is a FF plugin |
| 16:55.42 | Cartas | But can run... without FF? |
| 16:55.48 | Kaelten | but I found someone who repackaged it to run on the XUL runner stand alone |
| 16:55.49 | Cartas | That just moggles the laws of physics. |
| 16:55.52 | Cartas | boggles*! |
| 16:56.07 | Kaelten | http://blondechris.com/chatzilla-on-xulrunner/ |
| 16:56.10 | Kaelten | there ya go |
| 16:56.25 | Cartas | Nice and pink. |
| 16:56.32 | Kaelten | not my site |
| 16:56.45 | Cartas | Thanks old chap. |
| 16:56.47 | Cartas | I'll give it a go. |
| 16:56.52 | Cartas | How's WAU2 coming along? :p |
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| 16:59.41 | Knaledge | not running on Macs |
| 16:59.50 | Knaledge | and buggy on Windows |
| 16:59.51 | Cartas | Serves you right. |
| 17:00.07 | Cartas | I've had no problems, just some things aren't in yet, I assume! |
| 17:01.57 | alcohol | I dunno |
| 17:02.01 | alcohol | I prefer opera chat |
| 17:02.03 | alcohol | on windows |
| 17:02.07 | alcohol | it just looks very slick |
| 17:02.49 | kenlyric | does opera let you use custom profiles like firefox does? so I can easily tell it "look here for my profile" |
| 17:03.00 | alcohol | ? |
| 17:03.07 | Cartas | Opera still doesn't have the ability to sort URL's by most-used ;( |
| 17:03.10 | alcohol | not sure what you mean. |
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| 17:03.47 | kenlyric | well, I want my browser profile to exist in a specific space so I can back it up easily. |
| 17:04.28 | alcohol | uh. |
| 17:04.31 | alcohol | I dunno, sorry |
| 17:04.36 | alcohol | probably though |
| 17:04.39 | alcohol | user specific profiles |
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| 17:05.46 | alcohol | but I could be wrong |
| 17:05.55 | alcohol | I don't use opera on OS X so I can't check :< |
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| 17:12.33 | Knaledge | Is there any way to remove the mob name from the casting bar in Pitbull? |
| 17:12.44 | alcohol | text ? |
| 17:12.58 | Knaledge | it's not under there |
| 17:13.44 | Knaledge | It appears as "Fireball (mob_name)" and it overlaps the timer text (which I noticed also cannot be turned off) |
| 17:14.59 | Pkekyo | microsoft has gotten me so steaming pissed off that I'm currently the main reason of global warming! geif msn 6.5 :< |
| 17:15.47 | oxman | how I can execute a macro command in an addon ? |
| 17:15.54 | oxman | like /swapactionbar |
| 17:15.57 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 17:16.02 | kenlyric | man, are there any tanking pets at 70? |
| 17:16.19 | Recluse | kenlyric: petopia.brashendeavors.net |
| 17:16.34 | Pkekyo | kenlyric: they're called Warriors...most priests have them nowadays! |
| 17:16.37 | kenlyric | it was rhetorical. there aren't any |
| 17:17.29 | oxman | allo ? |
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| 17:18.00 | JoshBorke | oxman: yes you can by setting the macrotext attribute of a secureactionbutton |
| 17:18.43 | oxman | no other simple way ? |
| 17:18.52 | JoshBorke | not to my knowledge |
| 17:18.58 | oxman | hum ok thanks :( |
| 17:19.44 | Recluse | you don't need an xml file to create frames - can do it all in lua, right? |
| 17:19.57 | Pkekyo | right |
| 17:19.58 | Pkekyo | or wrong |
| 17:20.00 | Pkekyo | maybe? |
| 17:20.02 | Recluse | lol |
| 17:20.08 | JoshBorke | Recluse: correct |
| 17:20.20 | Pkekyo | I concur |
| 17:21.17 | Pkekyo | ~lfgx |
| 17:21.24 | Pkekyo | ~wtff |
| 17:21.25 | purl | ACTION gives pkekyo a big [kiss,hug] |
| 17:21.31 | Pkekyo | O.o |
| 17:21.39 | JoshBorke | ~wtf |
| 17:21.49 | JoshBorke | ~wtff |
| 17:21.49 | purl | ACTION gives joshborke a big [kiss,hug] |
| 17:21.51 | Pkekyo | wtf's up with the ~wtff? |
| 17:21.52 | JoshBorke | ~literal wtff |
| 17:21.53 | purl | "f" is "<action> gives $nick a big [kiss,hug]" |
| 17:22.04 | JoshBorke | ~wtf lart |
| 17:22.21 | Pkekyo | isn't it supposed to be loser? |
| 17:22.27 | JoshBorke | no |
| 17:22.29 | harldephin | no |
| 17:22.39 | Pkekyo | luser? |
| 17:22.43 | JoshBorke | ~luser |
| 17:22.44 | purl | somebody said luser was a BOFH toy, or user + loser = luser |
| 17:22.46 | JoshBorke | ~wtf lusor |
| 17:22.52 | JoshBorke | ~wtf luser |
| 17:23.43 | Recluse | hmm |
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| 17:27.17 | Jameseh | ;| |
| 17:27.42 | vithos | anybody know of a procrate tracking addon that watches buffs instead of doing it by combatlog? |
| 17:28.12 | Funkeh` | hey folks |
| 17:28.19 | Jameseh | G'day Funkeh` |
| 17:28.22 | Pkekyo | vithos: combatlog; 'you gain windfury' <--- not enough? |
| 17:28.29 | TE|offKulaar | procwatch |
| 17:28.29 | Pkekyo | hmm...there's a guild named memento mori (or variations) on every goddamn server there is |
| 17:28.43 | vithos | reprocs while the buff is still up doesn't generate a combatlog event |
| 17:28.54 | Pkekyo | ah, ofcourse |
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| 17:29.25 | vithos | and yeah, procwatch does it by combatlog i think? |
| 17:30.31 | CIA-22 | 03thexod * r49566 10ItemValue/ItemValue.lua: |
| 17:30.31 | CIA-22 | ItemValue: |
| 17:30.31 | CIA-22 | - Fixed /iv bj |
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| 17:30.57 | Brandexus | any prat developers around? |
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| 17:31.16 | Brandexus | i've made a module, wanted to find out about getting it included |
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| 17:32.21 | Pkekyo | Brandexus: what module? :) |
| 17:34.00 | Brandexus | makes channel join / leave messages a single line |
| 17:34.18 | Brandexus | so if you are in like 10 channels with the same person it doesn't spam your face |
| 17:34.30 | Pkekyo | great idea |
| 17:34.37 | Brandexus | thanks :) |
| 17:34.43 | vhaarr | Brandexus: ooh that's nice, give me the code |
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| 17:34.48 | vhaarr | I'll rip it and stuff it in SCM |
| 17:35.03 | Pkekyo | I'm still waiting for a module that'll remove all bg leave/join spam tbh |
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| 17:35.55 | Pkekyo | I think there actually is one, but it doesn't work for some reason :p |
| 17:36.12 | Brandexus | vhaar: ok... is scm something you do? |
| 17:36.52 | vhaarr | simplechatmods, it's on the svn |
| 17:38.59 | Brandexus | vhaarr: http://www.forgottenaspects.com/brandexus/FilterChannelMessages.zip |
| 17:39.16 | vhaarr | Brandexus: just upload it in plaintext to ace.pastey.net |
| 17:39.52 | Brandexus | its coded as a prat module so will take some conversion, just be sure to include credit please |
| 17:40.16 | Brandexus | okay i can do that |
| 17:40.34 | harldephin | *yawn* |
| 17:41.46 | CIA-22 | 03schelli 07Schelli * r49567 10IceHUD/ (5 files): IceHUD : totally updated and removed bars |
| 17:43.06 | Brandexus | http://ace.pastey.net/74252-3nbw |
| 17:43.18 | CIA-22 | 03schelli 07Schelli * r49568 10IceHUD_Hunter/ (5 files in 2 dirs): IceHUD_Hunter : updated a lot |
| 17:44.03 | Brandexus | hmm |
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| 17:45.26 | Brandexus | you get that? |
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| 17:51.15 | Arzach-DB-EU | ccknight, are you here ? |
| 17:52.04 | JoshBorke | ckknight has eyes and ears everywhere |
| 17:52.47 | Arzach-DB-EU | guessed long time ago. Imho he's a Commitee atm |
| 18:01.47 | oxman | grmbl grmbl grmbl grmbl secure mode. Its too hard for me :'( |
| 18:01.58 | oxman | I don't know how to script my /swapactionbar :| |
| 18:02.20 | cncfanatics | u can't do that in lua |
| 18:02.29 | cncfanatics | at least not directly |
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| 18:02.37 | oxman | But its possible, and I want do that |
| 18:02.45 | cncfanatics | set up a secure action button |
| 18:02.59 | oxman | I understand nothing about that, I try some test, without success |
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| 18:03.16 | frop | hallo |
| 18:03.24 | frop | Loggerhead works fine... |
| 18:03.39 | frop | ...the log not being logged was due to Violation i guess |
| 18:03.52 | frop | ...it disable Combatlog...in some cases |
| 18:04.00 | frop | trying to get a log now |
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| 18:07.03 | qwesto | Does anyone know if there is a way to get the number of buffs on a unit (or the player)? (Trying to create a resizing eePanel for my ElkBuffBars) |
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| 18:08.49 | Pkekyo | block rating vs. parry rating? |
| 18:10.36 | [dRaCo] | qwesto: guess you've gotta iterate over all buffs and count |
| 18:10.37 | cncfanatics | Pkekyo, depends what u want to achieve, class ? purpose ? |
| 18:10.51 | Pkekyo | warrior, tanking |
| 18:11.04 | Pkekyo | it's a matter of the gemming of my t4 head :p |
| 18:11.26 | cncfanatics | neither, stamina |
| 18:12.01 | Pkekyo | cnc: not an option :) |
| 18:12.11 | [dRaCo] | why not? |
| 18:12.16 | cncfanatics | Pkekyo; and why is that ? |
| 18:12.16 | NightHawkTheSane | how is it not an option? |
| 18:12.25 | cncfanatics | u do realise u can put blue gems in red/yellow slots right ? |
| 18:12.40 | cncfanatics | and ur socket bonus is not worth the loss of stamina anyway |
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| 18:12.50 | Pkekyo | well, what I want to know if wether or not I should regem my head for the gem bonus or not |
| 18:12.53 | NightHawkTheSane | well,unless it's an equal amount of stamina |
| 18:13.08 | cncfanatics | ofc NightHawkTheSane, but that ain't the case for warr t4 |
| 18:13.20 | NightHawkTheSane | cncfanatics: it isn't the case for just about any socket bonus |
| 18:13.32 | cncfanatics | there are some where it is |
| 18:13.38 | NightHawkTheSane | not many |
| 18:13.45 | cncfanatics | yea, but some :) |
| 18:13.58 | [dRaCo] | the only reason not to socket stamina might be meta gem requirements |
| 18:14.15 | cncfanatics | tanking meta gems require blue gems |
| 18:14.19 | cncfanatics | as far as I can remember at least |
| 18:14.31 | cncfanatics | (i'm a rogue now, not a tank :p) |
| 18:14.32 | [dRaCo] | hm, dunno... which meta gem, Pkekyo? |
| 18:14.50 | Pkekyo | 12 defense, restore health on hit |
| 18:15.36 | [dRaCo] | does that one proc at a reasonable rate? |
| 18:15.44 | cncfanatics | no it doesnt at all |
| 18:15.46 | cncfanatics | 2-3% |
| 18:15.50 | cncfanatics | get the +sta metagem imo :p |
| 18:15.54 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed |
| 18:15.57 | cncfanatics | and its a sad 200hp if I remember well |
| 18:16.02 | [dRaCo] | yeah, would be my choice, too |
| 18:16.03 | Thrae | Cartas: What does TinyTip not do? |
| 18:16.07 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather baesj |
| 18:16.07 | Pkekyo | was considering to replace the head gem with a enduring talasite |
| 18:16.09 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Baesj, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (8/5/48). 10200 HP; 8210 Armour; 1472 AP; 217.000 Melee DPS; 27.08% melee crit; 110 melee hit; 6.69% dodge; 10.80% block; 43 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 939 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2479ww ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2qpbe8 ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 14:30:26 2007 EST ]] |
| 18:16.13 | NightHawkTheSane | sta whoring ftw |
| 18:16.19 | Cartas | Add things to an item's tooltip, Thrae. |
| 18:16.21 | cncfanatics | agree |
| 18:16.27 | cncfanatics | !c eu khadger evolve |
| 18:16.27 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: evolve is not the character you are looking for! |
| 18:16.32 | cncfanatics | !c eu khadgar evolve |
| 18:16.34 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Evolve, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (0/49/12). 13147 HP; 4428 Mana; 81 mana regen; 16127 Armour; 596 AP; 88.100 Melee DPS; 5.65% melee crit; 15 spell crit; 245 +spell dmg/heal; 287 defense; 19.32% dodge; 20.91% block; 31 resilience;[[ TBR: 768 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2bl7uf ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/36eekt ][ Updated: Sat Sep 22 13:34:45 2007 EST ]] |
| 18:16.37 | cncfanatics | wish this char wasnt on a dead server |
| 18:16.39 | oxman | I found no addon to do a swapactionbar ;/ |
| 18:16.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: 10k hp unbuffed? :\ |
| 18:17.03 | cncfanatics | NightHawkTheSane, check AP, thats dps gear |
| 18:17.07 | Thrae | Cartas: Nope, it doesn't touch item tooltips, except for anchoring, and only if you enable that option.That may be added later in a module if someone can tell me why they'd want that. |
| 18:17.13 | NightHawkTheSane | cncfanatics: ah, indeed itis |
| 18:17.23 | Cartas | I wasn't saying I wanted it, I was saying that because of that it can't be what's causing my problem :) |
| 18:17.30 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: 13.1k unbuffed |
| 18:17.52 | Pkekyo | I'm capped in dps gear? I don't even remember the last time I used dps gear >.< |
| 18:17.59 | [dRaCo] | how much def? |
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| 18:18.16 | cncfanatics | Pkekyo, check my pala, it rocks ur tauren warr :p |
| 18:18.24 | cncfanatics | sta whoring ftw |
| 18:18.37 | Pkekyo | cncfanatics: how's your avoidance? :) |
| 18:18.42 | cncfanatics | Pkekyo, check the armory ? |
| 18:18.50 | cncfanatics | or, read what threabot said :p |
| 18:18.55 | cncfanatics | and who needs avoidance when healers are spamhealing u anyway ? |
| 18:19.00 | Pkekyo | ah, didn't see you did that (in kara atm) |
| 18:19.06 | cncfanatics | same |
| 18:19.12 | cncfanatics | well, I was in kara, I quit that pala a while ago |
| 18:19.20 | cncfanatics | !c eu khadgar evolve |
| 18:19.21 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Evolve, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (0/49/12). 13147 HP; 4428 Mana; 81 mana regen; 16127 Armour; 596 AP; 88.100 Melee DPS; 5.65% melee crit; 15 spell crit; 245 +spell dmg/heal; 287 defense; 19.32% dodge; 20.91% block; 31 resilience;[[ TBR: 768 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2bl7uf ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/36eekt ][ Updated: Sat Sep 22 13:34:45 2007 EST ]] |
| 18:19.56 | Pkekyo | cncfanatics: I mean I'm tanking kara RIGHT NOW :p |
| 18:19.57 | cncfanatics | I <3 my 16k armor a lot |
| 18:20.01 | cncfanatics | aah |
| 18:20.12 | cncfanatics | then go chainpull to make healers awake instead of chatting :p |
| 18:20.26 | cncfanatics | 1.5sec break between mobs with me in kara big max :p |
| 18:20.27 | Pkekyo | lovely...some dongjob keep pulling a mob behind us...5.5g repairbill before we killed the first trash mob! |
| 18:21.09 | Fisker- | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m20TSyaEEHc |
| 18:21.10 | Fisker- | fucking awesome |
| 18:21.11 | Thrae | Pkekyo: "omg pull more in and we get more xp!" "We're level 70." "o yeah." |
| 18:21.35 | cncfanatics | meh, any fight with less then 6mobs is a boring one, except for bossies |
| 18:21.43 | cncfanatics | (<3 tanking both attumen and his horse, its lol, infinite mana :p) |
| 18:22.13 | Thrae | cncfanatics: Who's stronger? Attumen or his horse? |
| 18:22.36 | cncfanatics | his horse |
| 18:22.40 | cncfanatics | it actualy stuns |
| 18:22.48 | cncfanatics | attumen is just a random pussie that can't beat his own horse |
| 18:22.50 | Thrae | You know you suck when your mount is stronger then you are |
| 18:22.57 | cncfanatics | hehe, so true |
| 18:23.09 | Thrae | I mean, not in real life |
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| 18:23.12 | Fisker- | what\s primal nether worth these days_ |
| 18:23.14 | Fisker- | ? |
| 18:23.18 | cncfanatics | free from guildies ? :p |
| 18:23.19 | Thrae | !p primal nether |
| 18:23.21 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Name: Primal Nether; Vendor: 1g 60s; Deposit (24h): 96s [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
| 18:23.26 | Fisker- | n00b Thrae |
| 18:23.45 | poxk | 150 on mine |
| 18:23.45 | Fisker- | it cannot be auctioned else i would've looked myself |
| 18:24.12 | Thrae | Yeah, but there's the vendor price too ;)( |
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| 18:24.31 | cncfanatics | hmmm, in shell, how much would I get the current count & total count in a for loop ? |
| 18:24.37 | Fisker- | OH GEE THANKS THRAE |
| 18:24.50 | Fisker- | lol wtf |
| 18:24.50 | CIA-22 | 03recluse * r49569 10TextSpy/ (TextSpy.toc code/components/ScreenFlash.lua): |
| 18:24.50 | CIA-22 | TextSpy: |
| 18:24.50 | CIA-22 | - Added basic screen flash component |
| 18:24.50 | Thrae | cncfanatics: "in shell" <-- which shell? |
| 18:24.58 | Fisker- | this guy refuse to buy my nether for 50g |
| 18:25.23 | Pkekyo | is there a +hit meta? |
| 18:25.37 | Thrae | cncfanatics: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles shell? |
| 18:25.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: no |
| 18:25.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: search wowhead, ffs. |
| 18:25.48 | JoshBorke | cncfanatics: another variable |
| 18:25.50 | Thrae | The next version of bash should be called "tmnt". |
| 18:25.51 | JoshBorke | cncfanatics: that you increment |
| 18:25.59 | JoshBorke | ~lart thrae |
| 18:25.59 | purl | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to thrae, and goes postal |
| 18:26.00 | [dRaCo] | laugh at him and tell him to shut up, Fisker- :) |
| 18:26.07 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: for "+hit meta"? |
| 18:26.20 | NightHawkTheSane | for all meta gems |
| 18:26.29 | NightHawkTheSane | there's only a dozen and a halfish |
| 18:26.32 | [dRaCo] | Pkekyo: yes... gem color: meta, stat: hit |
| 18:27.13 | Elkano | is BigWigs Gruul AoE-Silence bugged? |
| 18:31.21 | Awaa | Hm, recount says that i have been healed for 1.67Mil.. 400K more then the MT... im an holy priest |
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| 18:34.13 | TE|offKulaar | is your name like an npc?^^ |
| 18:34.26 | Fisker- | btw |
| 18:34.31 | Awaa | No |
| 18:34.32 | Fisker- | i had an idea for a tv-show |
| 18:34.35 | Awaa | N |
| 18:34.44 | Awaa | <- |
| 18:35.37 | kaiden | So, question, why is it that colors in the color picker NEVER look like the colors that come up on screen when setting the color of an eePanels2 background color? :p |
| 18:36.04 | Fisker- | oh yeah i forgot |
| 18:36.10 | Fisker- | i still have an idea for a tv-show |
| 18:36.13 | Fisker- | "Will it float?" |
| 18:36.22 | loonacy | kaiden: We put code in the color picker to make it completely different from the color you pick, just to annoy you. |
| 18:36.30 | Fisker- | then you take a dump in different kind of fluids to see if it floats |
| 18:36.51 | Fisker- | awesome idea right? |
| 18:37.25 | Quagmire | very intelligent conversation going on in here, lol :P |
| 18:37.27 | Nosrac | rofl |
| 18:38.11 | Nosrac | What's the API to add Text to The "Errors" Frame (Like, not enough mana)? |
| 18:39.26 | Quagmire | Floating text or chatframe text? |
| 18:39.38 | Nosrac | Floating Text |
| 18:39.50 | Nosrac | The one in the top/middle part of your screen |
| 18:40.12 | Quagmire | Well, I'd think that you'd just use one of the SinkLib functions for that |
| 18:40.26 | Nosrac | Ok. Thanks |
| 18:41.23 | Arzach-DB-EU | WTB reliable Post-Initialize funcion |
| 18:41.31 | Nosrac | AddMessage =( I was trying AddText |
| 18:41.47 | Awaa | http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=recountfq0.jpg |
| 18:44.22 | vhaarr | Arzach-DB-EU: AceEvent_FullyInitialized |
| 18:44.57 | JoshBorke | wow, a 8766 flash of light? o.O |
| 18:45.06 | Arzach-DB-EU | reliable... that one is bugged. more than half of the time is called before the blizzard chat channels |
| 18:45.55 | Arzach-DB-EU | I mean AceEvent_FullyInitialized is bugged :( |
| 18:48.02 | ckknight | Arzach-DB-EU: instead of WTB, come up with your own |
| 18:48.30 | ckknight | if it's bugged, do your part and help fix it |
| 18:48.35 | ckknight | it's been reliable as I've tested it. |
| 18:48.50 | Fisker- | so mr. vhaarr |
| 18:48.55 | Fisker- | we meet again |
| 18:49.29 | Arzach-DB-EU | I'll try to fix it, ofc... but my luaskills are similar to the ones of a monkey. A drunk monkey |
| 18:50.20 | cncfanatics | hmmm, how to get the amount of folders there are in a given folder ? |
| 18:50.35 | NightHawkTheSane | ls -1 | wc -l |
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| 18:50.54 | Anonym_20 | hola |
| 18:50.59 | vhaarr | Fisker-: The game is afoot. |
| 18:51.05 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, you'd probably have to add a switch to ls or something |
| 18:51.06 | Fisker- | :o? |
| 18:51.09 | NightHawkTheSane | and maybe loop through itsresults |
| 18:51.14 | Fisker- | do you expect me to talk? |
| 18:51.59 | vhaarr | Fisker-: I expect you to exchange snappy oneliners. |
| 18:52.24 | Fisker- | oh |
| 18:52.43 | Fisker- | doing some nrt updates btw? :P |
| 18:53.03 | vhaarr | that fucknut |
| 18:53.04 | Fisker- | so now the plot has been revealed |
| 18:53.06 | vhaarr | borlox |
| 18:53.10 | vhaarr | or what his name is |
| 18:53.15 | vhaarr | discontinued Layout-1.0 |
| 18:53.18 | Fisker- | oh |
| 18:53.19 | Fisker- | :o |
| 18:53.37 | vhaarr | since I haven't the faintest clue about UI coding, and don't want to learn it, I'm in barney |
| 18:54.24 | JoshBorke | ~lart vhaar |
| 18:54.24 | purl | strangles vhaar with a doohicky mouse cord |
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| 19:14.36 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm.. hot chocolate and marshmellow |
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| 19:45.42 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather mooren |
| 19:45.45 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Mooren, Level 70 Tauren Druid (0/40/21). 9202 HP; 6380 Mana; 148 mana regen; 24 mp5; 3799 Armour; 806 AP; 135.500 Melee DPS; 15.85% melee crit; 56 melee hit; 368 +heal; 25.72% dodge; 76 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 562 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yudol5 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pneq4 ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 16:00:03 2007 EST ]] |
| 19:46.09 | Industrial | !c eu vashj xamth |
| 19:46.11 | ThraeBot | Industrial: Xamth, Level 26 Draenei Shaman (0/17/0). 857 HP; 1055 Mana; 67 mana regen; 45.100 Melee DPS; 11.14% melee crit; 5.94% dodge; 4.80% block; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 265 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2gg26k ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/32uwz9 ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 16:00:29 2007 EST ]] |
| 19:50.30 | TE|offKulaar | !c eu mannoroth kulaar |
| 19:50.33 | ThraeBot | TE|offKulaar: Kulaar, Level 70 Tauren Shaman (0/0/61). 9312 HP; 10748 Mana; 363 mana regen; 231 mp5; 6059 Armour; 104.600 Melee DPS; 4.76% melee crit; 180 +spell dmg; 1980 +heal; 4.76% dodge; 5.00% block; 10 nature resist (+10); +33 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 1364 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ys85jy ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2uk9p8 ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 16:04:51 2007 EST ]] |
| 19:50.36 | TE|offKulaar | :o |
| 19:50.39 | Arzach-DB-EU | found my bug with FullyInitialized (maybe). 0.15secs after CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_NOTICE is too few for my overbloated computer |
| 19:51.52 | Arzach-DB-EU | and to prevent funny replies, changing computer is not a way to eliminate bugs... |
| 19:54.41 | Arzach-DB-EU | love is in the air... |
| 19:58.50 | Elkano | !vs eu mannoroth kulaar eu mannoroth isdirial |
| 19:58.52 | ThraeBot | Elkano: Kulaar vs Isdirial! A L70 shaman and a L70 druid square off!; 0/0/61 vs 0/47/14; Kulaar wins by 501 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 19:58.55 | Elkano | :( |
| 19:59.09 | poxk | tbr? |
| 19:59.40 | Elkano | ask Thrae about them... |
| 20:00.00 | Speeddymon | !vs us haomarush nalimar us haomarush speeddymon |
| 20:00.01 | Codayus_ | Hmm, TBR? |
| 20:00.04 | ThraeBot | Speeddymon: Nalimar vs Speeddymon! Speeddymon has +45 lvls on Nalimar (25 vs 70); A L25 hunter and a L70 rogue square off!; 16/0/0 vs 2/41/18; Speeddymon wins by 287 TBRs! |
| 20:00.19 | Speeddymon | wtf |
| 20:00.39 | Speeddymon | !vs us haomarush sepherene us haomarush speeddymon |
| 20:00.42 | ThraeBot | Speeddymon: Sepherene vs Speeddymon! A L70 druid and a L70 rogue square off!; 0/0/61 vs 2/41/18; Sepherene wins by 341 TBRs! |
| 20:00.54 | Speeddymon | !vs us haomarush valtura us haomarush speeddymon |
| 20:00.57 | ThraeBot | Speeddymon: Valtura vs Speeddymon! A L70 shaman and a L70 rogue square off!; 40/0/21 vs 2/41/18; Valtura wins by 494 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 20:01.04 | Speeddymon | ouch |
| 20:02.03 | Speeddymon | !vs eu mannoroth kulaar us haomarush speeddymon |
| 20:02.04 | ThraeBot | Speeddymon: Kulaar vs Speeddymon! A L70 shaman and a L70 rogue square off!; 0/0/61 vs 2/41/18; Kulaar wins by 982 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 20:02.12 | Speeddymon | ooouch! |
| 20:02.19 | poxk | you suck dude |
| 20:02.20 | Speeddymon | wtf gear do you have elk? |
| 20:02.27 | Speeddymon | 982.... |
| 20:02.33 | Codayus_ | What's a TBR? |
| 20:02.42 | Elkano | 3/5 T4 |
| 20:02.44 | Speeddymon | i dunno |
| 20:02.49 | Speeddymon | oh thats why |
| 20:02.51 | Hjalte | !tbr |
| 20:02.58 | Hjalte | stupid bot |
| 20:03.01 | poxk | !vs eu azjol-nerub axxo us haomarush speeddymon |
| 20:03.04 | ThraeBot | poxk: Axxo vs Speeddymon! A L70 warlock and a L70 rogue square off!; 41/0/20 vs 2/41/18; Axxo wins by 987 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 20:03.05 | Hjalte | ~tbr |
| 20:03.06 | purl | from memory, tbr is ThraeBot Ratings -- a ThraeBot innovation. Working on a PvP-oriented weighted algorithm for what stats the Armoury currently has for your character, partially modified by build-type, it can be used to pit two characters in TBR vs TBR combat, and tries try to take into account which classes are fighting. (or "to be released") |
| 20:03.06 | Chompers | al'ar to 50...and he bugs |
| 20:03.07 | Elkano | !c eu mannoroth isdirial |
| 20:03.08 | ThraeBot | Elkano: Isdirial, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (0/47/14). 13704 HP; 5300 Mana; 123 mana regen; 19 mp5; 26036 Armour; 1441 AP; 173.500 Melee DPS; 24.66% melee crit; 163 defense; 31.23% dodge; 45 arcane resist; 10 nature resist (+10); +25 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 863 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/289rhv ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2th3lm ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 06:43:07 2007 EST ]] |
| 20:03.08 | Chompers | horay! |
| 20:03.22 | Codayus_ | thanks |
| 20:04.02 | Speeddymon | !vs eu mannoroth isdirial us haomarush speeddymon |
| 20:04.03 | ThraeBot | Speeddymon: Isdirial vs Speeddymon! A L70 druid and a L70 rogue square off!; 0/47/14 vs 2/41/18; Isdirial wins by 481 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 20:04.18 | xyu | i hate you freenode-connect! |
| 20:05.11 | xyu | !vs us sargeras Gabimag us sargeras Xyu |
| 20:05.15 | ThraeBot | xyu: Gabimag vs Xyu! Two 70 mages square off!; 40/21/0 vs 0/0/61; Xyu wins by 262 TBRs! |
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| 20:05.29 | poxk | thats one imba build |
| 20:05.42 | xyu | oh ya |
| 20:06.03 | Arzach-DB-EU | ?vs |
| 20:07.22 | Arzach-DB-EU | !vs eu dragonblight Arzach eu dragonblight Amoonsine |
| 20:07.27 | ThraeBot | Arzach-DB-EU: Arzach vs Amoonsine! Two 70 druids square off!; 0/0/61 vs 0/50/11; Amoonsine wins by 617 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
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| 20:07.39 | Kreiger | sup |
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| 20:08.02 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 20:09.21 | Kreiger | Is there a specific recommended warlock dot timer? |
| 20:09.39 | [dRaCo] | chronometer? |
| 20:09.58 | [dRaCo] | if you only need target timer, quartz might do, too |
| 20:10.38 | Kreiger | I have quartz. not sure i like the bars. |
| 20:10.59 | [dRaCo] | you can move, resize and color them as you want |
| 20:11.06 | [dRaCo] | what exactly do you need? ;) |
| 20:11.27 | TE|offKulaar | !vs eu Mannoroth Kulaar eu Mannoroth Vril |
| 20:11.31 | ThraeBot | TE|offKulaar: Kulaar vs Vril! A L70 shaman and a L70 druid square off!; 0/0/61 vs 1/0/60; Kulaar wins by 303 TBRs! |
| 20:11.48 | Recluse | lol |
| 20:11.50 | Kreiger | I think i should probably play with quartz a little more. |
| 20:11.51 | Kreiger | haha |
| 20:12.39 | Arzach-DB-EU | quartz doesn't have multiple target timers afaik |
| 20:12.41 | Kreiger | The "recommended" dot mod from the warlock forums is http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/3260/ |
| 20:12.43 | Kreiger | yeah. |
| 20:12.46 | TE|offKulaar | btw what are TBR ?^^ |
| 20:12.50 | Kreiger | DotTimer |
| 20:12.58 | Kreiger | which has multiple target timers |
| 20:13.04 | [dRaCo] | ~tbr |
| 20:13.04 | purl | it has been said that tbr is ThraeBot Ratings -- a ThraeBot innovation. Working on a PvP-oriented weighted algorithm for what stats the Armoury currently has for your character, partially modified by build-type, it can be used to pit two characters in TBR vs TBR combat, and tries try to take into account which classes are fighting. (or "to be released") |
| 20:13.48 | TE|offKulaar | "ok" :) |
| 20:13.58 | Kreiger | lol |
| 20:14.04 | Kreiger | purl, you are crazy |
| 20:14.04 | purl | Kreiger: what are you talking about? |
| 20:14.17 | TE|offKulaar | the !vs bot function |
| 20:14.25 | Kreiger | ... |
| 20:15.11 | Kreiger | Warlock timers. |
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| 20:15.36 | [dRaCo] | Kreiger: you DID notice that purl is a bot, did you? |
| 20:15.41 | Antiarc | ~~~~ |
| 20:15.42 | purl | ARGH!!! STOP IT antiarc!!! |
| 20:15.42 | Kreiger | Yes. |
| 20:15.47 | [dRaCo] | k |
| 20:16.05 | Kreiger | I figured maybe the bot might have information on addons tho. hehe |
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| 20:16.25 | Kreiger | Btw, that's my story and i'm sticking to it. |
| 20:16.32 | Recluse | lol |
| 20:16.51 | [dRaCo] | try playing around with quartz... if you need multiple targets, try chronometer or dottimer |
| 20:17.27 | Kreiger | I'd like multiple targets. I'm afflicton, so i tend to fear dotdotdot, next mob. fear dotdotdot |
| 20:17.36 | Kreiger | and it would be nice to know when the fear breaks, etc |
| 20:17.52 | Fisker- | oops |
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| 20:19.30 | Recluse | quartz > dotimer? |
| 20:19.56 | [dRaCo] | quartz hasnt got multitarget bars, so for warlock purposes prolly not |
| 20:19.58 | Arzach-DB-EU | quartz != dotimer |
| 20:20.06 | Nosrac | Recluse Quartz is first-most a casting bar |
| 20:20.14 | Recluse | ah |
| 20:20.38 | Nosrac | So, it's not going to have nearly the featuers as a Timer addon |
| 20:21.03 | [dRaCo] | and a basic debuff/buff timer for your target and focus |
| 20:21.26 | [dRaCo] | good enough for me, but the only debuffs I've got are stormstrike and flame shock :D |
| 20:21.42 | Recluse | that reminds me. there's an addon called LittleTrouble which is a bar that fills between hunter autoshots. anyone heard of an addon that does the same but for melee swings? |
| 20:22.00 | [dRaCo] | quartz has a swing timer ;) |
| 20:22.01 | Arzach-DB-EU | hem... Quartz |
| 20:22.27 | Recluse | D= no wonder it made me think of that question lol |
| 20:22.58 | [dRaCo] | doesnt work for dw, though... since there's no way to distinguish between mh and oh hits :/ |
| 20:23.02 | RogueShadow | quartz also replaces littletrouble |
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| 20:23.41 | Recluse | huh, interesting |
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| 20:33.21 | kaiden | Because I was sick of not having square borders and having to create 2 eePanels for every 1 eePanel i wanted to have a colored square border :P, http://ohnoes.cc/files/Stiggy1.tga |
| 20:34.08 | kaiden | I would suggest changing your background inset size to 5 on any panel you create as it looks better when using that border |
| 20:36.15 | Fisker- | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8b/Smgboxartwii.jpg |
| 20:36.16 | Fisker- | haha |
| 20:36.32 | Fisker- | if you read out the letters with a glowing star in the corner you get "u r mr gay" |
| 20:36.35 | Fisker- | :D |
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| 20:37.31 | kaiden | Fisker-, uhm.. what? |
| 20:38.05 | kaiden | ahhh |
| 20:38.06 | kaiden | :p |
| 20:38.19 | Fisker- | :D |
| 20:38.22 | theoddone33 | this groupcalendar mod is nice, but increases my memory usage pretty fast |
| 20:38.33 | theoddone33 | someone should make an ace version with interactivity :) |
| 20:38.38 | kaiden | I so can't wait for that game to come out |
| 20:41.58 | Pkekyo | so I hear SW Stats is the only correct damagemeter around..? |
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| 20:42.22 | kaiden | I find Violation to be the most accurate |
| 20:42.28 | Arzach-DB-EU | try recount |
| 20:42.31 | Pkekyo | s/correct/accurate/ |
| 20:42.53 | Diao | running them alongside each other |
| 20:42.59 | Diao | they generally turn out to have the same values |
| 20:43.05 | Diao | so i assume they're equally accurate |
| 20:43.31 | kaiden | Diao, think about that for one moment |
| 20:43.42 | kaiden | of course they are as they are parsing the same combat log |
| 20:44.14 | kaiden | however, depending on the increasers you have to the combat log which violation comes with a combat log range increaser and i dont believe swstats does |
| 20:44.38 | Pkekyo | I just got harassed in raid chat for not using SW stats :p |
| 20:44.49 | kaiden | Pkekyo, say grow up nub ;P and laugh at them |
| 20:44.54 | Diao | um |
| 20:44.57 | Diao | kaiden |
| 20:45.01 | Diao | increasing combat log range for 1 addon |
| 20:45.04 | Diao | increases it for all |
| 20:45.04 | Diao | lol |
| 20:45.15 | kaiden | Diao, you really should learn to read |
| 20:45.40 | kaiden | you just said running them side by side they are both accurate.. duh.. i said the reason was because violation increases the combat log range |
| 20:45.47 | kaiden | so swstats has access to that same data |
| 20:45.55 | Arzach-DB-EU | generally speaking dmg metering addon should be *banned* from raids. They should only be used for post-raid analysis |
| 20:45.56 | kaiden | they are parsing the SAME combat log |
| 20:46.04 | Diao | i wouldn't know anyway |
| 20:46.04 | kaiden | I dual box and run violation on 1 computer and swstats on the other |
| 20:46.11 | Diao | i've always had my combat log set to 200 range |
| 20:46.16 | Diao | through the config.wtf |
| 20:46.28 | kaiden | the other is always on follow to me and is frequently inaccurate during raids |
| 20:46.51 | Pkekyo | kaiden: I told some slacker to start doing some DPS and he started ranting about SW stats being the only accurate damagemeter |
| 20:47.26 | LuckyLuciano | I just adore Recount - its stats always seem to match up with others using SW, standard dmgmeter and Recap |
| 20:47.36 | LuckyLuciano | and the features in it are a massive help |
| 20:47.46 | LuckyLuciano | ie; top damage moves, deaths, etc etc |
| 20:47.54 | LuckyLuciano | I've yet to find one better for analysis |
| 20:48.09 | Pkekyo | I like Violation tbh...seems lightweigt, yet sufficient :) |
| 20:48.27 | Nosrac | It also has every kinda meter you could want |
| 20:48.33 | LuckyLuciano | sure, each to his/her own - I'm a bit of a stats whore though, so for me Recount is just imba. |
| 20:49.03 | buu | Woo, 10% packet loss |
| 20:49.09 | Pkekyo | I don't give a shit as long as I can rant on slackers that are below me on damage done :p (48 points deep in prot) |
| 20:49.26 | LuckyLuciano | thats embarassing :P |
| 20:49.26 | Antiarc | I'm a fan of assessment, myself |
| 20:49.37 | kaiden | Antiarc, i wonder why :P |
| 20:49.40 | Antiarc | Not terribly pleased with the amount of net traffic recount generates in a raid. |
| 20:49.46 | Antiarc | kaiden: I, uh, like it? |
| 20:49.47 | buu | LuckyLuciano: I love assessment |
| 20:49.47 | Pkekyo | LuckyLuciano: two mages and a warlock are below me on shade for some reason...it's desturbing |
| 20:49.48 | theoddone33 | groupcalendar's memory usage has increased by 8M in 15 minutes |
| 20:49.55 | theoddone33 | I really need to ditch this thing |
| 20:50.01 | LuckyLuciano | :O |
| 20:50.06 | LuckyLuciano | thats more than disturbing |
| 20:50.11 | buu | Pkekyo: Shade of ARan? |
| 20:50.11 | LuckyLuciano | wth are they doing raiding |
| 20:50.22 | Pkekyo | buu: correctemundo |
| 20:50.34 | Pkekyo | LuckyLuciano: I said the same thing...and got a SW stats rant thrown at me :p |
| 20:50.56 | LuckyLuciano | we have various people using different meters, so we all compare in a different channel from the raid |
| 20:51.04 | LuckyLuciano | i don't think we've ever been wildly different |
| 20:51.13 | LuckyLuciano | so no one can say: your stats meter sucks ;) |
| 20:51.28 | buu | Pkekyo: Well, melee does have a large advantage on that right.. |
| 20:51.32 | buu | FIGHT. DAMN IT. |
| 20:51.39 | LuckyLuciano | on aran? |
| 20:51.42 | Pkekyo | buu: 48 points deep in prot, I say |
| 20:51.43 | buu | Yes. |
| 20:51.46 | LuckyLuciano | not really :/ |
| 20:51.49 | buu | Pkekyo: Not the point! |
| 20:51.55 | LuckyLuciano | you could argue that the locks have to banish/fear |
| 20:52.03 | LuckyLuciano | you *could* |
| 20:52.10 | Pkekyo | buu: that's a MAJOR point, a prot warrior vs. two fire mages and a warlock |
| 20:52.13 | Andune | I use recount for the analysis and assessment for my "normal" damage meters. The only reason I still run SWStats is it's "chunked" time slices, that allow you to reset yet still merge them all to see stats for the whole run. |
| 20:52.24 | buu | You have to banish/fear, you have to run away from blast waves, you have to doge bizzards, you get silenced |
| 20:52.28 | buu | And so on. |
| 20:52.38 | Antiarc | WWS for analysis for me. |
| 20:52.41 | LuckyLuciano | recount splits it into last 5 fights, iirc |
| 20:52.52 | buu | Antiarc: I've never figured out how to use recount =[ |
| 20:52.55 | LuckyLuciano | i always have it on overall, but im sure it has that feature |
| 20:52.56 | buu | Or swstats either |
| 20:53.06 | LuckyLuciano | where are the blast waves? |
| 20:53.09 | Andune | I want start to finish. From the time we entered the raid till 2 hours later when we're finished. |
| 20:53.11 | Pkekyo | we all have our griefs in the aran fight...myself, I find caster easier overall than meelee |
| 20:53.13 | LuckyLuciano | he does AE, but everyone needs to run from that |
| 20:53.44 | buu | Anyway, aran is a shitty caster fight. So there. |
| 20:54.10 | Pkekyo | tbh, the biggest grief is the goddamn mages counterspelling the arcane missiles |
| 20:54.22 | LuckyLuciano | l2counterspell |
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| 20:54.47 | buu | I wish I could melee people for 5k when people counterspell me |
| 20:54.48 | Pkekyo | sure, it's not all that caster friendly, but they shouldn't be more than 200dps below a fucking prot warrior |
| 20:55.00 | buu | Pkekyo: What was your dps? |
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| 20:55.18 | Pkekyo | 536 after two fights |
| 20:55.21 | buu | Pkekyo: And how many times have you done the fight? |
| 20:55.34 | Pkekyo | dying at start of the elemental phase each time |
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| 20:57.00 | Pkekyo | notably with me in quest blues and them decked in epics |
| 20:57.16 | Pkekyo | well, one of the mages has a green item |
| 20:58.52 | Diao | your casters are doing pretty badly if they're below 600 dps o_o |
| 20:59.00 | Diao | our fire mages average like 800 dps on aran |
| 20:59.21 | Antiarc | http://wowwebstats.com/g44oaff64s3ja <-- Aran last night, but that's all alts except for Weazus |
| 20:59.34 | Pkekyo | Diao: that's what I'm saying too! |
| 21:00.37 | Diao | even when i'm MS spec with wf totem i can barely keep up with our mages on that fight lol |
| 21:00.53 | Antiarc | On Aran? |
| 21:01.03 | Antiarc | He's a melee punching bag, for sure |
| 21:01.04 | Diao | yeah |
| 21:01.13 | Diao | but my MS gear |
| 21:01.13 | Antiarc | Sunder = 0 AC :) |
| 21:01.14 | [dRaCo] | MS isnt a pve spec, though |
| 21:01.19 | Pkekyo | fire mages at 300ish DPS on the aran fight is more than a sad joke than anything else :< |
| 21:01.21 | Diao | is nowhere near as good as their gear |
| 21:01.23 | Diao | well |
| 21:01.24 | Jayman | Anyone know of an addon that would show a Duel Wielding Shaman which weapon proc'd windfury? |
| 21:01.25 | Diao | MS/flurry |
| 21:01.26 | Diao | 33/28 spec |
| 21:01.35 | Diao | it's the pve raid spec |
| 21:01.36 | Antiarc | MS isn't quite as good as heavy Fury for PVE, but MS/flurry does quite well |
| 21:01.47 | [dRaCo] | Jayman: No way to do that reliable. |
| 21:01.52 | Pkekyo | Diao: 2h fury (not slam) is quite viable as well tbh |
| 21:01.57 | Jayman | afraid of that |
| 21:02.24 | Antiarc | 2h fury doesn't hold up in PVP though |
| 21:02.27 | Diao | my pve gear is pretty bad though |
| 21:02.32 | Antiarc | Which is why you get a lot of MS/flurry builds |
| 21:02.34 | Diao | i wear mostly pvp stuff |
| 21:02.35 | Pkekyo | Antiarc: I beg to differ |
| 21:02.40 | Diao | cause i haven't gotten any pve plate really |
| 21:02.48 | Pkekyo | I did quite well as 2h fury (no slam) in arenas |
| 21:02.51 | Antiarc | Pkekyo: MS is the single most compelling reason to take a warrior to an arena |
| 21:03.08 | Antiarc | Warriors can do good damage without it, but the stress it puts on the other team is immense. |
| 21:03.25 | Pkekyo | well, I was the team leader :) and it worked out pretty good |
| 21:03.48 | Diao | i'm trying to figure out how to beat teams in full s2 gladiator when my team only has like 2 pieces max still |
| 21:03.55 | Diao | cause everytime we come up against them we lose |
| 21:04.00 | Pkekyo | Diao: you don't |
| 21:04.01 | Antiarc | Gear up, basically |
| 21:04.03 | Diao | but whenever we fight teams in our level of gear we win |
| 21:04.05 | Antiarc | Or build a gib team |
| 21:04.05 | Pkekyo | you simply don't :p |
| 21:04.34 | Diao | we completely wreck anyone who has similar gear to us, but can't touch people in full s2 :( |
| 21:06.35 | Pkekyo | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LVMLzAb0xZE0uc0xRVzZc this specc actually ripped people new arseholes in arenas :) |
| 21:07.05 | Diao | o_O |
| 21:07.07 | Pkekyo | played alot together with rogues and feral druids |
| 21:07.19 | Diao | oh swordspec |
| 21:07.19 | Pkekyo | it's as far from cookiecutter as you get it, but it worked fine |
| 21:07.33 | Diao | imp charge? |
| 21:07.42 | Diao | how often does that come into play >.> |
| 21:07.46 | Pkekyo | was actually good in PvE as well...always finished top 3 on dps |
| 21:07.52 | Pkekyo | Diao: every time I charge ;> |
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| 21:07.53 | Diao | i dropped it after a month of testing it because i'd use charge so little |
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| 21:07.54 | Antiarc | Seems like Imp Overpower would be more desirable for PVP |
| 21:08.00 | Diao | yeah |
| 21:08.02 | Diao | or sweeping strikes |
| 21:08.05 | Diao | sweeping strikes in arena is amazing |
| 21:08.29 | Pkekyo | true, but it was made mainly as a pve build with rather decent pvp viability |
| 21:08.30 | Antiarc | Imp Execute is also teh secksy |
| 21:08.40 | Diao | that's not much of a pve build though |
| 21:08.41 | Diao | for dps |
| 21:08.46 | Diao | you rarely get to charge on bosses etc |
| 21:09.00 | Antiarc | Imp Zerker Stance is -huge- for PVE DPS |
| 21:09.11 | Diao | and iron will is probably the worst ability for pve since if you resist a fear you get killed :P |
| 21:09.14 | Pkekyo | Diao: it worked like a charm for bosses...although I agree on the charge point |
| 21:09.37 | Pkekyo | weren't doing bosses that feared when I had that specc either |
| 21:09.40 | Diao | oh |
| 21:09.47 | Diao | that's why :P |
| 21:09.54 | Pkekyo | although it only decreases stun and charm, not fear... |
| 21:10.05 | Diao | hm |
| 21:10.10 | Gnarfoz | mhhh |
| 21:10.19 | Diao | i haven't really looked at the talent recently lol |
| 21:10.20 | Gnarfoz | why is it even highest end rogues don't max out their +hit? |
| 21:10.31 | Diao | last time i looked at it was over a year ago |
| 21:10.32 | Antiarc | Opportunity cost, usually |
| 21:10.44 | Pkekyo | I know it's a weird specc, but it worked great for me....offtanking and DPSing kara and pewpewing some arenas up to the 1800-bracket |
| 21:10.45 | Antiarc | I was running 308 hit and have been scaling down as I've geared up |
| 21:10.53 | Antiarc | But my DPS has gone up so I can't complain |
| 21:11.15 | Pkekyo | I have just more than 100 hit in DW gear :p |
| 21:11.22 | Pkekyo | warrior though |
| 21:11.26 | Diao | hit is a cheap (in terms of itemization cost) way to get your damage up |
| 21:11.32 | Diao | but other stats are better |
| 21:11.50 | Diao | so you just stack hit early and replace it with better ap/crit gear to scale better |
| 21:11.50 | Pkekyo | too little +hit plate imo :< |
| 21:11.56 | Pkekyo | atleast until 25mans |
| 21:12.03 | Diao | yeah |
| 21:12.12 | Diao | i have 171 hit in my DW gear |
| 21:12.15 | Pkekyo | I miss like a complete arse when DWing aran etc |
| 21:12.15 | Diao | on my warrior |
| 21:12.24 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: hrm. I am running hit capped now, but I'm having trouble replacing gear without losing hit :< |
| 21:12.28 | Antiarc | You can stack hit easily as a warrior if you're willing to wear some mail |
| 21:12.35 | Diao | or leather |
| 21:12.38 | Antiarc | Gnarfoz: Hit isn't everything. It's important, but not everything |
| 21:12.38 | Diao | :P |
| 21:12.42 | Diao | in pve it doesn't matter so much |
| 21:13.22 | Antiarc | crit > hit for flurry warriors though, generally |
| 21:13.24 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: yeah, I'm trying to figure out how much dps (in the char screen) is worth vs. missing sometimes |
| 21:13.27 | Antiarc | Since you need 30%+ to keep fluury up |
| 21:13.28 | Diao | crit and str |
| 21:13.30 | Diao | is always > hit |
| 21:13.34 | Diao | for warriors lol |
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| 21:13.40 | Diao | at least based on the math |
| 21:13.41 | Antiarc | Gnarfoz: Armory link? |
| 21:13.59 | Antiarc | I have a rogue main and warrior alt :) |
| 21:14.05 | Gnarfoz | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Das+Syndikat&n=Lolah |
| 21:14.11 | Pkekyo | Diao: I concur...though you need up towards atleast 10-12% for optimal damage output |
| 21:14.18 | Diao | well |
| 21:14.21 | Diao | that's like standard |
| 21:14.28 | Diao | assuming you just pick up dps plate pieces |
| 21:14.31 | Gnarfoz | (that's not what I'm wearing to 25s, I actually put on kara shoulders ^^) |
| 21:14.31 | Diao | from raids etc |
| 21:14.33 | Diao | you will get that much |
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| 21:15.54 | Antiarc | Bah, Pidgin died on me |
| 21:16.00 | Gnarfoz | I like how in WWS my 'miss' column doesn't have an entry :> |
| 21:16.01 | JoshBorke | upgrade to 2.2 |
| 21:16.03 | Antiarc | Anyway, Gnarfoz, WWS from Friday -> http://wowwebstats.com/njf4ob3apkxqu?a=2 |
| 21:16.05 | Gnarfoz | got the link, though? |
| 21:16.05 | Antiarc | It does |
| 21:16.08 | Antiarc | Expand the Melee |
| 21:16.13 | Gnarfoz | nah |
| 21:16.15 | Antiarc | And can you re-link that armory link please? |
| 21:16.19 | Gnarfoz | actual misses I meant |
| 21:16.21 | Gnarfoz | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Das+Syndikat&n=Lolah |
| 21:16.22 | Antiarc | Yes, it has that |
| 21:16.35 | Antiarc | Expand my melee line there - it has "Miss - 53" |
| 21:16.43 | Antiarc | As opposed to 32 parries and 116 dodges |
| 21:16.44 | Pkekyo | brb, tanking netherspite :) |
| 21:17.03 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: http://wowwebstats.com/j3f3gghgndrjm?s=5734-6246&a=22 ^_^ |
| 21:17.09 | Diao | how did you get parried and dodged o_o |
| 21:17.14 | Gnarfoz | but that's with 310 hit |
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| 21:18.07 | Gnarfoz | only got the t5 shoulders from that kill, so I'm gonna have to see if my DPS improves with less hit but more AP/dps |
| 21:18.16 | Antiarc | Bleh. Something about that link makes my IM client freeze :( |
| 21:18.21 | Diao | lol |
| 21:18.22 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: using beta IM software by any chance? ;D |
| 21:18.28 | Antiarc | No, latest Pidgin release |
| 21:18.35 | Diao | the wws link? |
| 21:18.36 | Gnarfoz | ;) |
| 21:18.40 | Antiarc | The armory link |
| 21:18.43 | Diao | oh |
| 21:18.46 | Antiarc | Anyhow, don't be afraid to upgrade T4 -> T5 |
| 21:18.48 | Diao | that is rather strange |
| 21:19.01 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: I never wore my t4 shoulders because of lack of +hit ;> |
| 21:19.02 | Antiarc | The AP/crit you gain more than makes up for the hit lost, and you can itemize hit in gems + rings + trinkets + ranged |
| 21:19.17 | Thrae | !c eu das syndikat lolah |
| 21:19.19 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Lolah, Level 70 Gnome Rogue (17/44/0). 8804 HP; 1626 AP; 379.800 Melee DPS; 24.10% melee crit; 290 melee hit; 23.81% dodge; 24 resilience; 10 arcane resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1720 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fu5xa ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2l779g ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 17:33:38 2007 EST ]] |
| 21:19.28 | Antiarc | Dual +8's puts the T4 shoulders at +29 hit rating though |
| 21:19.29 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: thank you :) |
| 21:19.36 | Antiarc | Or do you mean opposed to Bladed? |
| 21:19.40 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 21:19.42 | Gnarfoz | the latter :) |
| 21:19.52 | Antiarc | I wound up going with Netherblade for the set bonuses |
| 21:19.57 | Antiarc | But yeah |
| 21:20.18 | Gnarfoz | yeah, 2/5 t4 should be enough anyway, the SnD bonus far outclasses the 4/5 bonus |
| 21:20.36 | Antiarc | It does, but to be honest, it hasn't been too bad to lose it |
| 21:20.50 | Azurewrath | Kael down :) |
| 21:20.54 | Cartas | Grats old chap! |
| 21:20.55 | Antiarc | Congrats! |
| 21:20.57 | Gnarfoz | Azurewrath: gz |
| 21:21.15 | Antiarc | You could put a DST, Warp-Spring Coil, DFT, or Romulo in either of your trinket slots to jack up your hit if you need to |
| 21:21.27 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I know. none are dropping very much :> |
| 21:21.32 | Antiarc | I also ended up going with Surefooted on my boots for the +10 hit, and the snare resist is nice in PVP |
| 21:21.33 | Azurewrath | my legs are like jelly.. reminds me of ragnaros :) |
| 21:21.41 | Cartas | :) |
| 21:21.44 | Gnarfoz | got surefooted ^^ |
| 21:22.35 | Gnarfoz | romulo's would really help, yeah |
| 21:22.46 | Antiarc | I wouldn't be afraid to drop some hit for T5, though, really. |
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| 21:22.51 | Pkekyo | netherspite down, pewpew! :) |
| 21:22.56 | Antiarc | Overall, it's an upgrade |
| 21:23.01 | Pkekyo | had 13k maxhp when he died ^^ |
| 21:23.09 | Antiarc | My DPS has been on a steady uptick since I started replacing T4 with T5 |
| 21:23.41 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 21:24.02 | Pkekyo | piece of shit dragon will never drop my shoulders :< |
| 21:24.03 | Antiarc | I tend to run 1800 AP/260 hit/26% crit unbuffed |
| 21:24.12 | Antiarc | And it works out quite well for me |
| 21:24.22 | theoddone33 | blessings need a better system |
| 21:24.37 | theoddone33 | but 15/30 minute ones will help |
| 21:24.41 | Gnarfoz | really the only trouble I have is to figure out (and the only way to do that is to do entire raids with a certain combination of gear and compare stats) how much dps is worth over maxed out hit |
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| 21:25.00 | Antiarc | You could use the rogue spreadsheets to see what your estimated gain/loss would be |
| 21:25.06 | Gnarfoz | in terms of numbers, I do get the *feeling* that it's worth some more, but I'd sure like to know how much :. |
| 21:25.07 | Antiarc | But my personal goal is to stay over 250 hit |
| 21:25.10 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 21:25.27 | Antiarc | I'm human though, so I get a free +8 hit rating against bosses. <_< |
| 21:25.46 | Gnarfoz | indeed you do :P |
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| 21:27.13 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather baesj |
| 21:27.15 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Baesj, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (8/5/48). 10200 HP; 8210 Armour; 1472 AP; 217.000 Melee DPS; 27.08% melee crit; 110 melee hit; 6.69% dodge; 10.80% block; 43 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 939 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2479ww ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2qpbe8 ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 14:30:26 2007 EST ]] |
| 21:27.22 | Pkekyo | damnit, still DPS gear |
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| 21:41.43 | orionshock | morning all |
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| 21:51.23 | theoddone33 | only one shadow priest = annoying |
| 21:51.26 | theoddone33 | when he's not in my group |
| 21:51.59 | theoddone33 | but on the plus side I haven't really even needed to heal the tank |
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| 21:55.03 | Cartas | ~seen Kaelten |
| 21:55.05 | purl | kaelten is currently on #wowi-lounge (5h 10m 28s) #wowace (5h 10m 28s). Has said a total of 22 messages. Is idling for 4h 43m 57s, last said: 'kk'. |
| 21:55.36 | ckknight | Arzach-DB-EU: I'm a committee? one man can't be a committee |
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| 22:07.00 | siIentium | !c eu arathor silentium |
| 22:07.03 | ThraeBot | siIentium: Silentium, Level 70 Human Paladin (50/11/0). 8127 HP; 10908 Mana; 239 mana regen; 134 mp5; 14863 Armour; 75.500 Melee DPS; 4.65% melee crit; 100 spell crit; 204 +spell dmg; 1588 +heal; 4.45% dodge; 5.00% block; +33 all resists;[[ TBR: 1007 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yq8mod ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2lzctc ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 18:21:22 2007 EST ]] |
| 22:07.15 | Necrathex | omfg http://www.wowarmory.com/character-reputation.xml?r=Cho'gall&n=Tombom |
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| 22:07.51 | siIentium | !c eu arathor killhorde |
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| 22:07.55 | ThraeBot | siIentium: Killhorde, Level 70 Dwarf Paladin (50/11/0). 8217 HP; 10308 Mana; 151 mana regen; 61 mp5; 14516 Armour; 74.800 Melee DPS; 3.57% melee crit; 132 spell crit; 178 +spell dmg; 1884 +heal; 3.57% dodge; 5.00% block; 21 resilience; 10 frost resist (+10);[[ TBR: 913 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ynrer2 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3x9xyh ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 18:22:13 2007 EST ]] |
| 22:09.48 | siIentium | huh? how can one get both Gelkis Clan Centaur and Magram Clan Centaur rep over neutral at once? |
| 22:10.11 | Necrathex | farm one to exalted and then start farming the other one i guess |
| 22:10.38 | Necrathex | but that's not the best part |
| 22:10.46 | Necrathex | steamweedle exalted, bloodsail revered? |
| 22:10.49 | Necrathex | O_o |
| 22:10.56 | siIentium | yeah, but shouldnt you end at neutral/neutral again then? or even below neutral if you lose rep faster than gaining it with the other faction |
| 22:11.02 | siIentium | o_O |
| 22:11.08 | Xinhuan | how many exalted factions is that, can you count? i'm lazy to look |
| 22:11.31 | Necrathex | he even has ravenholdt exalted.. |
| 22:11.42 | Necrathex | and shen'dralar |
| 22:11.44 | Necrathex | i mean.. |
| 22:11.49 | siIentium | 36 exalted... |
| 22:12.07 | Xinhuan | hmm i only have 29 |
| 22:12.21 | Xinhuan | of course, i'm not exalted steemwheedle and stuff |
| 22:12.44 | Xinhuan | but i do have 430 days /played on a single char |
| 22:12.50 | Necrathex | omg |
| 22:12.55 | orionshock | lol |
| 22:12.57 | Xinhuan | i haven't fuond anyone higher |
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| 22:13.23 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 22:13.29 | Gnarfoz | how do you gain ravenholdt rep |
| 22:13.36 | Gnarfoz | I thought that wasn't possible? |
| 22:13.37 | Necrathex | turning in lockboxes |
| 22:13.41 | Mudkipz | does eepanels 2 copy/paste feature even work? |
| 22:13.46 | Gnarfoz | (at least not up to exalted) |
| 22:13.53 | Gnarfoz | !c us blackrock xinhuan |
| 22:13.54 | Mudkipz | or am I just doing it wrong |
| 22:13.55 | ThraeBot | Gnarfoz: Xinhuan, Level 70 Gnome Mage (48/13/0). 7583 HP; 10106 Mana; 206 mana regen; 34 mp5; 354 spell crit; 70 spell hit; 861 +spell dmg/heal; 135 frost dmg (996); 235 arcane dmg (1096); 185 fire dmg (1046); 5.86% dodge; 13 resilience;[[ TBR: 1337 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/27btuv ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2sj6ym ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 18:28:14 2007 EST ]] |
| 22:14.21 | Necrathex | gives you 75 rep or something per 5 boxes |
| 22:14.25 | Gnarfoz | they should display /played time there :> |
| 22:14.33 | Necrathex | insane for a priest lol |
| 22:14.46 | Necrathex | must have used an alt rogue to farm the boxes |
| 22:15.06 | Necrathex | and there's absolutely no reason to raise rep with them.. |
| 22:15.20 | siIentium | http://www.wowwiki.com/Ravenholdt you can hand in heavy junkboxes up to exalted |
| 22:15.32 | siIentium | but you'd need to get them from a rogue |
| 22:15.38 | Xinhuan | yep but that is just WAY TOO BORED |
| 22:15.53 | Xinhuan | i may have 430 days /played, but i'm not stupid ;p |
| 22:16.04 | siIentium | the only thing that guy is missing is Syndicate neutral |
| 22:16.50 | orionshock | isn't syndicate rogue only? |
| 22:17.06 | siIentium | but it's impossible with ravenholdt exalted at the same time I guess |
| 22:17.06 | Antiarc | Anyone here used Auctioneer Advanced? |
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| 22:17.16 | siIentium | hm, might be |
| 22:17.17 | Antiarc | I want to know if there's a way to remove an item from the appraiser list, by default |
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| 22:19.35 | Necrathex | syndicate isn't even in my list, and i'm a rogue :s |
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| 22:23.47 | Ellipsis_ | ....it appears my connection is not working so well o.O |
| 22:23.52 | vhaarr | norgs: speaking of auc-adv, I've noticed that when it's done scanning the AH, it doesn't update that in the text inside the AH window |
| 22:24.08 | vhaarr | norgs: it just stays on the last status before it completed, like "Time remaining: 3 seconds" |
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| 22:29.12 | norgs | vhaarr: haha... yeah. Bug MentalPower about that one, I personally disable it. |
| 22:29.25 | norgs | I like to see the auctions as they are flying past |
| 22:29.33 | Arrowmaster | whats command to completely disable the perodic GC |
| 22:32.53 | ckknight | collectgarbage('stop') |
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| 22:43.25 | vhaarr | norgs: so anything UI related is his problem? |
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| 22:46.57 | Arrowmaster | hmm ok seems the gc isnt whats causing my fucked up fps spikes, now i need to turn it back on |
| 22:48.52 | Tinyboom | same command, but with "start"? ^^ |
| 22:49.32 | norgs | vhaarr: nah, that one is his though |
| 22:49.42 | Arrowmaster | no start doesnt work |
| 22:49.52 | norgs | he wrote Auc-Util-ScanProgress |
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| 22:55.02 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster: restart |
| 22:55.06 | vhaarr | norgs: okay, thakns |
| 22:55.08 | vhaarr | thanks* |
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| 22:55.42 | norgs | vhaarr: i'll give him a poke for ya! :) |
| 22:56.04 | vhaarr | time for bed soon anyway, I'll just yell at him tomorrow |
| 22:56.51 | JoshBorke | nn nvhaar |
| 22:57.58 | vhaarr | "soon" is relative :P |
| 22:58.19 | Pkekyo | nightbane's a bitch |
| 22:58.28 | vhaarr | he's easy |
| 22:58.32 | Stan__ | easy |
| 22:58.58 | Pkekyo | not really |
| 22:59.19 | vhaarr | it's hard to find a more predictable bossfight |
| 22:59.21 | Pkekyo | we were lacking healing like a motherfucker, but was bored and didn't have anything else to do :< |
| 22:59.25 | vhaarr | which makes it easy |
| 22:59.33 | vhaarr | Pkekyo: I've solohealed the entire fight as a priest |
| 22:59.38 | Pkekyo | vhaarr: true, but that doesn't help when you don't have the healing for it |
| 22:59.41 | Pkekyo | vhaarr: gear level? |
| 22:59.47 | vhaarr | t4/5 |
| 23:00.09 | Pkekyo | our healers are about 50% kara epics nowadays |
| 23:00.27 | Pkekyo | so yeah, we could've done it if at t4/5 level |
| 23:00.58 | [dRaCo] | only bitch in karazhan is the prince |
| 23:01.08 | Pkekyo | howso? |
| 23:01.12 | vhaarr | that fight is just too random |
| 23:01.17 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 23:01.25 | [dRaCo] | randoom. |
| 23:01.30 | Pkekyo | if you're not extremely unlucky regarding infernals, it's easy tbh |
| 23:01.32 | Pkekyo | methinks |
| 23:02.14 | [dRaCo] | we tend to be very unlucky. |
| 23:02.44 | Stan__ | we did prince with 7 chars today |
| 23:02.46 | Pkekyo | I tend to be cut off from the rest of the raid by elementals tbh :p |
| 23:03.00 | Stan__ | others were afk when the door closed -.- |
| 23:03.23 | Pkekyo | Stan__: been there, done that....once all our healers stood behind the door :p |
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| 23:07.51 | Stan__ | lol |
| 23:08.06 | Recluse | why does windows take forever? XD "moving 15,510 items (2.40gb) time remaining: 2d 23h" |
| 23:08.26 | liquidzoo | lol |
| 23:08.53 | Pkekyo | Recluse: because windows don't know how to tell time |
| 23:09.01 | Recluse | no kidding |
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| 23:09.46 | Pkekyo | yes kidding |
| 23:09.51 | Pkekyo | just kidding...I lied :p |
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| 23:10.57 | sylvanaar | because the code used to estimate the time required knows nothing about the operations being performed |
| 23:11.02 | CIA-22 | 03funkydude * r49573 10BigWigs/SC/Morogrim.lua: |
| 23:11.02 | CIA-22 | BigWigs: SC/Morogrim: |
| 23:11.02 | CIA-22 | - typo: grobules > globules (thanks kebinusan) |
| 23:11.02 | CIA-22 | - Update deDE (thanks Deli) |
| 23:11.49 | Recluse | ok so i've got an event override for :AddMessage() on my chatframes, so i can examine the text going out, but if the user has two chat windows both listening to whispers, :AddMessage() gets called twice, one for each window |
| 23:11.54 | mathuin | FuBarPlugin-2.0 and FuBar_GarbageFu have blank values for "Dependencies:". Is this intentional? Just noticed while tinkering with an idea to automatically check dependencies. |
| 23:12.49 | Pkekyo | err...why is talking about black people and water melonds considered racist by some people? O.o |
| 23:13.18 | Funkeh` | water melons? |
| 23:13.19 | mathuin | Pkekyo: because the watermelon thing is a stereotype which demeans black people in the eyes of some. |
| 23:13.22 | Recluse | i've formulated a way to filter chat windows so that my addon can determine if a message is being displayed twice... but i do not know how to find out what type of message is being sent to :AddMessage() - any pointers? |
| 23:13.25 | Funkeh` | as in conjuction with black people? |
| 23:13.38 | sylvanaar | Recluse look at how prat does it |
| 23:13.43 | Pkekyo | mathuin: howso? I don't understand it :( |
| 23:13.53 | mathuin | it's a historical thing, Pkekyo. |
| 23:14.15 | Pkekyo | mathuin: so...more black people than white people like water melons? |
| 23:14.17 | mathuin | FuBar_OutfitterFu was checked in by someone who liked ^M. :-( |
| 23:14.19 | Pkekyo | I don't get it! |
| 23:14.43 | mathuin | Pkekyo: it's like talking about Mexicans eating beans or Irish eating potatoes. |
| 23:14.58 | Pkekyo | norwegians eat potatoes more than the irish tbh |
| 23:15.08 | Pkekyo | well, used to...now we eat frozen pizza mostly |
| 23:16.15 | NightHawkTheSane | everyone eats frozen pizza |
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| 23:16.53 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: was in the newspapers some time ago...on average norwegians eat frozen for dinner three or four times a week.... |
| 23:17.20 | NightHawkTheSane | sure that's not just a byproduct of the entire country being frozen ;) |
| 23:17.34 | MentalPower | vhaarr: sup? |
| 23:17.38 | Ellipsis | pfft, three or four times a week is for amateurs |
| 23:17.39 | mathuin | Hee! I'm now picturing domino's pizza freezing by the time it gets to your house. :-) |
| 23:17.44 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: no, we've got 'fresh' pizza too |
| 23:17.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: sarcasm. try it some time. :) |
| 23:18.04 | Recluse | sylvanaar: well, i'd looked at that, but what i discern from prat is that they hook :OnEvent() and determine if the event is a chat_msg and if so what kind, and then manually pass it back to ChatFrameMessageHandler() or whatever it's called so AddMessage() gets called properly that way, or some such thing. prat uses some splitting mechanism to find out what message type is passing through which eludes my brain's logic tracing |
| 23:18.15 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, I got it...still figured it deserved an answer though |
| 23:18.33 | Pkekyo | But no, sadly, norway's not cold anymore...snow's all gone...nowadays there's only rain, rain and more rain during winter.... |
| 23:18.37 | NightHawkTheSane | mathuin: yeah, in norway, it's not "30 minutes or it's free", instead it's "not frozen, or it's free!" |
| 23:18.51 | Pkekyo | lol |
| 23:20.19 | Recluse | local m = Prat.SplitMessage, but Prat.SplitMessage == {} lol |
| 23:20.21 | vhaarr | MentalPower: auc-adv: I've noticed that when it's done scanning the AH, it doesn't update that in the text inside the AH window |
| 23:20.28 | vhaarr | MentalPower: it just stays on the last status before it completed, like "Time remaining: 3 seconds" |
| 23:20.28 | sylvanaar | Recluse it counts the events and adds 1 for each new one, if you run prat you can display the event data live |
| 23:21.19 | MentalPower | vhaarr: ah,IC, I'll fix that next time I deal with the ScanProgress module |
| 23:21.33 | sylvanaar | splitmessage isnt {} unless prat isnt runnning |
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| 23:22.27 | Pkekyo | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1190589479903.jpg is this racism? |
| 23:23.01 | Kaydeethree | ahahahaha |
| 23:23.44 | Ellipsis | if it's on 4chan, it's likely offensive to someone |
| 23:24.10 | Pkekyo | good point |
| 23:24.31 | Recluse | sylvanaar: right, it does event_id++ for each message... i guess you need like currentEventID, lastEventIDProcessed (to beat duplicates)? |
| 23:25.20 | sylvanaar | basically |
| 23:26.46 | Pkekyo | christ, some guy posing on the front page of a norwegian newspaper: "Mushrooms are like sex!" |
| 23:26.49 | Recluse | well, let me brainstorm some more and see if i come up with something XD |
| 23:31.12 | sylvanaar | Recluse good luck let me know if you do, i tried for about a month to find a better way |
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| 23:33.28 | Recluse | sylvanaar: my original idea was to just check what each window was listening to, and store in a table which channel/window combos should be ignored - but my problem was that i don't know what "channels" the messages were going to |
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| 23:34.01 | Recluse | i say channels, but it could be /s /g /bg /e system, combat, etc not just 'channels' |
| 23:34.34 | sylvanaar | event |
| 23:36.01 | sylvanaar | its a global variable, it has the event in it |
| 23:39.00 | Recluse | sylvanaar: i have functions in place to create these 'squelch tables' but i hadn't figured out the channel types. with the info that's passed into :AddMessage(), there's no way to tell that i'm aware of... hmm, this event exists even inside the :AddMessage() override? |
| 23:39.27 | sylvanaar | self:Print(event) |
| 23:40.13 | Recluse | eesh, print() inside AddMessage() = taint |
| 23:40.38 | sylvanaar | its just way easier to do +1, and then check and id |
| 23:40.40 | sylvanaar | what? |
| 23:41.33 | Recluse | if i try to print() from my addmessage(), i get game freeze for ~45-60 secs, then a nasty ui error of buffer overflow or somesuch |
| 23:42.09 | Recluse | the print causes another addmessage(), ad infinitum |
| 23:42.21 | sylvanaar | thats called stack overflow |
| 23:42.26 | Recluse | there ya go |
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| 23:43.10 | Recluse | i'll look into examining this event var and see what i come up with. sounds like what i've been looking for |
| 23:43.25 | sylvanaar | prat has an eventname module, have a look |
| 23:45.13 | orionshock | ?....the event name isn't a global variable per say - it's a pass value from the event, it's implied to be arg1 or what ever variable you hvae listed first for that particular function call iirc |
| 23:45.46 | sylvanaar | thought i said that |
| 23:46.31 | Pkekyo | any Prat authors around? |
| 23:46.46 | orionshock | Pkekyo: meet sylvanaar |
| 23:47.13 | orionshock | sorry sylvanaar only half read the dialog while doing dailys -- ignore me :D |
| 23:47.51 | Pkekyo | sylvanaar: got a suggestion for the module that remembers character name/level...add a 'forget levels' option :p |
| 23:48.52 | sylvanaar | it has it |
| 23:49.12 | sylvanaar | just tell it to reset the stored data |
| 23:50.34 | sylvanaar | you can run it without saving data too |
| 23:52.05 | Silowyi | does anyone know what bug it is that causes the permanent tranquilty effect? |
| 23:52.15 | Gnarfoz | that's "per se", btw, orionshock ;) |
| 23:52.19 | Silowyi | we're clearing to Morogrim and I have like 15 tranquilities on my screen |
| 23:53.17 | orionshock | that's odd Silowyi |
| 23:53.37 | Gnarfoz | that's a 3d world problem anyway, but I've never heard of it |
| 23:53.47 | JoshBorke | !ap 1494 |
| 23:53.47 | ThraeBot | JoshBorke: Arena points from a rating of 1494 is, 2v2: 261, 3v3: 298, 5v5: 373 |
| 23:54.10 | Silowyi | odd cause like half the people in my raid say they've had it happen in the past |
| 23:54.19 | sylvanaar | happened to me alot last year |
| 23:54.50 | CIA-22 | 03gamefaq * r49574 10BigWigs/BlackTemple/Illidan.lua: BigWigs: Illidan deDE Update |
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| 23:57.07 | CIA-22 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r547 10/trunk/TourGuide/ (3 files in 2 dirs): TourGuide - Guide data, whee |
