| 00:00.32 | dodga | alcohol: Geist or GhostBar.. there was Sprocket some time ago, but it is gone for good |
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| 00:03.40 | Kaelten | I don't want to be cloned :( |
| 00:04.09 | Shadowed| | wheres my sandwich damnit =( |
| 00:04.12 | Antiarc | Kaelten: u gief foreign Spell.dbc's plz thx kbai |
| 00:04.33 | Shadowed| | why don't you just ask on forums |
| 00:04.38 | Kaelten | Antiarc: ? |
| 00:04.39 | Antiarc | I probably will |
| 00:04.39 | Kaelten | huh? |
| 00:04.41 | Antiarc | But I'm lazy |
| 00:04.49 | Antiarc | Kaelten: I'm writing an automagical translationizer for spells |
| 00:04.52 | Antiarc | Well, wrote |
| 00:04.55 | Antiarc | Now I just need data |
| 00:04.59 | Kaelten | cool |
| 00:05.04 | Antiarc | For automatic BabbleSpell generation |
| 00:05.12 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 00:05.14 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/translations.out |
| 00:05.19 | Antiarc | That's enUS and deDE |
| 00:05.22 | Antiarc | I just need other stuff now |
| 00:05.34 | Antiarc | Oh, I should put up the new one |
| 00:05.37 | Kaelten | is that just a tab seperated file? |
| 00:05.48 | Antiarc | Yes |
| 00:05.55 | Antiarc | One locale per column |
| 00:05.57 | Kaelten | you need spell.wdb/ |
| 00:05.57 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 00:06.01 | Kaelten | ? |
| 00:06.07 | Antiarc | Spell.dbc from the patch-2 file |
| 00:06.07 | Arrowmaster | lua> local tbl = {}; string.gsub ("THE QUICK brOWN FOx JUMPS", "%f[%a]%u+%f[%A]", function(x) table.insert(tbl, x) end); print(table.concat(tbl, ", ")) |
| 00:06.08 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: THE, QUICK, JUMPS |
| 00:06.08 | Antiarc | One per locale |
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| 00:06.16 | Arrowmaster | lua> local tbl = {}; string.gsub ("THE QUICK brOWN FOx JUMPS", "%f[%S]%u+%f[%s]", function(x) table.insert(tbl, x) end); print(table.concat(tbl, ", ")) |
| 00:06.17 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: QUICK |
| 00:06.21 | Arrowmaster | seriously wtf |
| 00:06.41 | Antiarc | Data/enUS/patch-2-enUS.mpq is the enUS version |
| 00:06.57 | Antiarc | Still need esES, frFR, zhTW, zhCN, and koKR |
| 00:08.10 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: cant you download the language packs seperately for the EU client? |
| 00:08.16 | Antiarc | Ooh, hm. |
| 00:08.18 | Antiarc | Let me see! |
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| 00:09.14 | ben | oh well I guess I am just going to stop writing addons until the whole ace2/3/rock thing is sorted >[ |
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| 00:09.55 | Antiarc | that doesn't help with the chinese and korean translations, but it's a definite start. |
| 00:09.57 | Arrowmaster | why the fuck doesnt %f[%S] and %f[%s] work at the beginning and end of a string |
| 00:10.48 | vhaarr | Antiarc: You can, from the WoW account management page, IIRC. |
| 00:11.03 | Antiarc | vhaarr: Downloading french and spanish now. |
| 00:11.09 | Ackis | ckknight: you are a God... i have no more errors... thank you so much :) |
| 00:11.44 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49243 10CCBreaker/embeds.xml: |
| 00:11.44 | CIA-22 | CCBreaker - fix embeds.xml |
| 00:11.44 | CIA-22 | - it's <Include> for xml files, not <Script> |
| 00:11.44 | JoshBorke | ben: why? |
| 00:12.24 | aestil | is anyone having problems with niagara? |
| 00:13.03 | CIA-22 | 03aznamir * r49244 10PallyPower/PallyPower.lua: |
| 00:13.03 | CIA-22 | PallyPower: |
| 00:13.03 | CIA-22 | - locked blessing assignment in combat |
| 00:13.03 | CIA-22 | - fixed Assignments window to prevent error when a user reloads UI with PallyPower disabled |
| 00:13.15 | Paradox | http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/4733/uimakingbz9.png :) |
| 00:13.33 | Paradox | good copy from http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6556/wowscrnshot071707190948bn4.jpg ? :P |
| 00:14.31 | woden | nice ui |
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| 00:20.02 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49245 10LibRock-1.0/LibRock-1.0.lua: LibRock-1.0 - fix some error messages to be more descriptive. |
| 00:21.39 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster: having problems with regexes? :) |
| 00:21.39 | Arrowmaster | no just lua's patterns |
| 00:21.43 | Xinhuan | whats wrong heh |
| 00:21.51 | Arrowmaster | lua> local tbl = {}; string.gsub ("THE QUICK brOWN FOx JUMPS", "%f[%a]%u+%f[%A]", function(x) table.insert(tbl, x) end); print(table.concat(tbl, ", ")) |
| 00:21.51 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: THE, QUICK, JUMPS |
| 00:21.55 | Arrowmaster | lua> local tbl = {}; string.gsub ("THE QUICK brOWN FOx JUMPS", "%f[%S]%u+%f[%s]", function(x) table.insert(tbl, x) end); print(table.concat(tbl, ", ")) |
| 00:21.56 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: QUICK |
| 00:22.02 | Arrowmaster | that |
| 00:22.12 | Xinhuan | what are you trying to search |
| 00:22.17 | Xinhuan | i can't remember what %f matches |
| 00:22.44 | Arrowmaster | http://lua-users.org/wiki/FrontierPattern |
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| 00:23.00 | Arrowmaster | The frontier pattern %f followed by a set detects the transition from "not in set" to "in set". The source string boundary qualifies as "not in set" so it also matches the word at the very start of the string to be matched. |
| 00:23.15 | masanbol | ~flee |
| 00:23.16 | purl | ACTION runs away screaming |
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| 00:25.48 | pastamancer | frontier pattern! |
| 00:26.17 | Xinhuan | hmm a bit complicated |
| 00:26.18 | pastamancer | the only damn zero-width pattern in lua |
| 00:26.51 | Kemayo | ckknight: http://rock.pastey.net/74053 |
| 00:27.22 | Aileen_ | good, I am not the only one having that problem :) was just trying to figure out myself which thing is nil |
| 00:27.29 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49246 10LibRock-1.0/LibRock-1.0.lua: |
| 00:27.29 | CIA-22 | LibRock-1.0 - bugfix. |
| 00:27.29 | CIA-22 | Note: whoopsie-doodle. |
| 00:27.47 | Aileen_ | looks like it's oldMinor |
| 00:27.52 | charon | goodnight guys |
| 00:27.56 | ckknight | Aiiane: sure was. |
| 00:28.01 | ckknight | err, Aileen_ |
| 00:28.10 | masanbol | ckk: lol, i was just about to start spamming you with bugsack data :x |
| 00:28.22 | ckknight | you and 5 others |
| 00:28.26 | Aileen_ | heh |
| 00:28.37 | Kemayo | And now... waiting 20 minutes! |
| 00:28.49 | masanbol | haha |
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| 00:29.03 | ckknight | *thumbs up* |
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| 00:30.41 | Kemayo | (Actually, just doing svn export.) |
| 00:31.01 | Arrowmaster | wtf is "escape sequence too large near" |
| 00:31.20 | syeren | ckknight, could I have you look at a bug without having to file a full report please :P? |
| 00:31.32 | ckknight | yea, sure |
| 00:31.39 | syeren | I just want to know if you have covered it or know about it, not file a report explaining everything. |
| 00:31.45 | syeren | http://pastey.net/74055 |
| 00:31.53 | syeren | For everyone of my cart plug-ins. |
| 00:31.57 | syeren | Wrong chat type or something. |
| 00:32.02 | ckknight | don't know about that one. |
| 00:32.04 | syeren | *Unknown. |
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| 00:32.09 | syeren | Want all my reports then? |
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| 00:32.32 | syeren | I'll make an actual post on Jira then, under Cartographer right? |
| 00:32.33 | syeren | Or? |
| 00:32.40 | ckknight | ah, hrm |
| 00:32.51 | ckknight | lemme look into it |
| 00:33.24 | Kemayo | Anyone else seeing the minimap not being moved by FuBar? |
| 00:33.36 | stavmar | any reported issues with FuBar, my friend updated all his previous mods and no fubar and thus no bug sack? |
| 00:33.55 | alcohol | when did he update ? |
| 00:34.01 | syeren | Well I have 5 reports all giving the same error cause with different Cartographer Plug-ins ckknight :) |
| 00:34.05 | masanbol | stavmar: maybe Rock, it just got fixed like 5 minutes ago |
| 00:34.11 | ckknight | syeren: hrm... |
| 00:34.49 | Kemayo | specifically: http://kemayo.dyndns.org/wow/minimap.png |
| 00:35.21 | stavmar | masanbol: he said about 10 minutes ago, so I will ask him to redownload |
| 00:35.29 | JoshBorke | Kemayo: mine works fine |
| 00:35.35 | syeren | ckknight, just say my name and you'll have my full attention. |
| 00:35.37 | syeren | Anyways, back to getting Mr. Pinchy! |
| 00:35.38 | alcohol | stavmar: tell him to wait 5 more minutes |
| 00:35.38 | alcohol | :p |
| 00:36.01 | stavmar | is it specifically fubar or something else? |
| 00:36.22 | alcohol | dunno, but I know librock just got fixed |
| 00:36.24 | masanbol | stavmar: it's Rock, which at this point is like the master mod for Fubar and a fw others |
| 00:36.29 | alcohol | from an oopsie :p |
| 00:36.40 | Kemayo | Aha, I discover on checking that the issue is FUB-18 on Jira. |
| 00:36.43 | stavmar | you cannot use FuBar without Rock correct? |
| 00:36.48 | stavmar | the latest version that is? |
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| 00:36.50 | alcohol | correct |
| 00:36.54 | masanbol | i beleive so |
| 00:37.19 | Speeddymon | pastamancer.. you still here? |
| 00:37.30 | Paradox | oh dear :( latest fubar update has broken it |
| 00:37.36 | masanbol | haha |
| 00:37.55 | pastamancer | Speeddymon: yes |
| 00:37.59 | Speeddymon | sweet! |
| 00:38.24 | Speeddymon | ive been told that you have rights to fix problems with zip building on the download site |
| 00:38.34 | Speeddymon | access to scripts and such.. |
| 00:38.46 | pastamancer | I can fix many things. What do you think is broken? |
| 00:38.50 | Speeddymon | heh |
| 00:39.17 | Speeddymon | if you look at the zip for cooldowntimers2 and then look at the svn, you will notice that the zip has 2 copies of locale files, while svn only has one.. |
| 00:39.38 | Speeddymon | when i took over the mod, i moved the locales to their own folder |
| 00:40.03 | Speeddymon | that change took in svn, but all the zip did was add the folder and files inside it, without removing the ones in the root addon directory |
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| 00:42.24 | pastamancer | hmm, I see |
| 00:42.48 | Antiarc | http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22439156-5012895,00.html |
| 00:42.52 | Antiarc | That is beyond hilarious. |
| 00:43.08 | Speeddymon | i looked all over for a way to fix the issue within the addon, but it seems that cdt isnt the only addon suffering from the problem.. iirc, antiarc said he has the same problem with one of his addons |
| 00:43.15 | Antiarc | Nah, I don't |
| 00:43.21 | Antiarc | Just forwarded your request to pastamancer :P |
| 00:43.22 | Speeddymon | maybe not antiarc tho.. just remember the 'a' as the first letter.. |
| 00:43.26 | Speeddymon | kk |
| 00:43.36 | kenlyric | lol |
| 00:43.55 | ckknight | alright, Rock can be downloaded now |
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| 00:45.23 | kenlyric | Antiarc: proof positive that nobody is real on the internet. |
| 00:45.53 | rob` | I, for one, am a dog that has gained the ability to type with his mind. |
| 00:46.47 | Speeddymon | and i am a mongoose who uses his tail to peck the keys |
| 00:47.21 | ckknight | I'm a people |
| 00:47.22 | Zicon | I'm a pot of sentient tea. Learning to type was a bugger, believe me. |
| 00:48.06 | rob` | Amazing. |
| 00:48.54 | Pawwot | awk |
| 00:49.56 | Kemayo | Huh. Recount really is sexy. |
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| 00:50.11 | stavmar | has rock been diagnosed and repaired? lol |
| 00:50.27 | stavmar | i love recount but my machine slows down too much when using ut |
| 00:50.43 | ckknight | yea |
| 00:50.53 | ckknight | in an arena, are you considered in a raid or a party? |
| 00:50.54 | Kemayo | Dual cores are essential for graphs. |
| 00:51.00 | pastamancer | ckknight: raid |
| 00:51.10 | Paradox | fubar fixed? |
| 00:51.19 | Paradox | ok ckknight :P |
| 00:51.34 | Paradox | god I love you wowace people |
| 00:51.46 | ckknight | we love you too |
| 00:51.50 | WobWork | <3 |
| 00:52.05 | stavmar | pastamancer: i thought it depended |
| 00:52.20 | pastamancer | arena is always a raid |
| 00:52.24 | zxcv | i just got a new pitbull, the previous error has gone and i can see the pitbull frames but i'm getting this now: ... PitBull\libs\Threat-1.0\Threat-1.0.lua:103: Cannot find a library instance of AceComm-2.0 |
| 00:52.31 | Thumps | what about pitbull? Is it still having rock problems? |
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| 00:53.01 | ulic | I have no problems with Rock and it's associated addons since ckk moved them to branches. |
| 00:53.10 | ckknight | ulic: trunk |
| 00:53.17 | ulic | sorry trunk |
| 00:53.22 | ulic | damn trees |
| 00:53.36 | zxcv | This is with only PitBull, ArkInventory and Bartender3 installed, with Externals, WAU 1.9.44.654, and i've cleaned out my whole WTF and addons dirs (adding things back in by hand...) |
| 00:53.41 | Thumps | if I updated with a version that gave problems, do I need to revert to an old one? |
| 00:53.50 | cchome | [2007/09/18 19:19:35-2079-x2]: PitBull_Aura\Aura.lua:1197: Usage: GetItemInfo(itemID|"name"|"itemlink") |
| 00:54.07 | ckknight | zxcv: that could be my bad |
| 00:54.18 | cchome | having problems with pitbull and LibRock problems too |
| 00:54.19 | Kemayo | ckknight: http://rock.pastey.net/74056 |
| 00:54.32 | cchome | whenever i apply a poison on MH/OH pitbull aura goes crazy |
| 00:54.38 | Kemayo | Actually, that's the one cchome just reported. |
| 00:54.49 | Kemayo | I just have a dead sexy debugstack. |
| 00:54.56 | zxcv | @ckknight if there's anything I can do to help... I'm very new to all this but I want to persevere with it :) |
| 00:54.56 | cchome | on chars like hunters/etc i have no errors... |
| 00:54.57 | ckknight | and no previous errors? |
| 00:55.05 | Kemayo | No previous errors, no. |
| 00:55.15 | cchome | no previous errors..only on a Rogue when i apply poison to MH/OH |
| 00:55.25 | ckknight | that's your issue |
| 00:55.27 | ckknight | you're a rogue |
| 00:55.30 | ckknight | and rogues are lame |
| 00:55.36 | ckknight | <-- pally |
| 00:55.42 | cchome | didn't happen to yesterday's pitbull version =) |
| 00:55.58 | Aens|Superiority | I have a bug with fubar. I have two panels at the top, and auto adjust frames used to push my minimap below the second panel. However, the new fubar doesn't |
| 00:56.17 | Speeddymon | Aens|Superiority: not seeing that problem here |
| 00:56.43 | cchome | who made pitbull aura ALTS mod? |
| 00:56.56 | cchome | thats broken too |
| 00:56.57 | Speeddymon | i have 3 bars and it nudges my minimap unitframe and targetframe down, just like it should |
| 00:57.29 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49247 10PitBull/ (embeds.xml libs/): PitBull - fix embeds to include missing Ace libs. |
| 00:57.34 | Aens|Superiority | Speeddymon: it only does it for bar1, but not bar 2 |
| 00:57.55 | Speeddymon | its doing that for all 3 here.. i can remove any one of them and they are re-adjusted up |
| 00:58.05 | ckknight | Kemayo, cchome: you're definitely out of date, the line numbers don't match up for me |
| 00:59.21 | Speeddymon | pastamancer: and ideas on my issue? |
| 00:59.40 | pastamancer | working on it |
| 00:59.44 | Speeddymon | kk |
| 01:00.16 | JoshBorke | sag_ich_nicht: ping |
| 01:00.18 | JoshBorke | ~lart sag_ich_nicht |
| 01:00.18 | purl | calls sag_ich_nicht on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
| 01:00.26 | Speeddymon | ckknight: http://ace.pastey.net/74057 |
| 01:00.49 | zxcv | so what's the deal with the CIA thing, that shows commits to your SVN? I guess I have to wait a bit before the update is available to WAU? |
| 01:00.58 | ckknight | zxcv: 20 minutes |
| 01:01.02 | Speeddymon | zxcv: 20 mins |
| 01:01.03 | ckknight | give or take |
| 01:01.03 | cchome | is it pitbull-r49237.4 ?? |
| 01:01.04 | zxcv | k |
| 01:01.12 | Speeddymon | its pretty much dead on these days, ck |
| 01:01.26 | ckknight | the other day was 37 minutes |
| 01:01.27 | Speeddymon | :00, :20, :40, |
| 01:01.34 | Speeddymon | hmm |
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| 01:03.41 | Speeddymon | ckknight: i also get that error for lines 62, and 426 at various times... |
| 01:03.47 | Speeddymon | same file |
| 01:05.18 | Speeddymon | actually, the one for 62 and 426 came up when i pulled the rock gui up after i got the one in pastey when i logged in.. |
| 01:05.39 | Speeddymon | the one for 62 and 426 is different in the stack.. |
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| 01:06.34 | Speeddymon | here.. this one has the 2 different errors... |
| 01:06.35 | Speeddymon | http://ace.pastey.net/74059 |
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| 01:07.16 | Paradox | does anyone know how to remove the little "N" at the top of the minimap, while using simpleMinimap? |
| 01:07.18 | cchome | pitbull 49200 works great hehe |
| 01:07.27 | Paradox | hiding the compass doesn't seem to affect this little N |
| 01:08.03 | ckknight | N = north |
| 01:08.04 | Speeddymon | there is a way posted on the simpleminimap threat |
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| 01:08.10 | Speeddymon | thread* |
| 01:08.24 | frop | nn |
| 01:08.26 | ckknight | Speeddymon: your error shouldn't happen as long as everything loads properly, I really don't know... |
| 01:08.33 | FrostByghte | Speeddymon: you had it right the first time, simpleminimap is a threat!!! |
| 01:08.53 | Speeddymon | ckknight: hmm |
| 01:08.57 | Speeddymon | FrostByghte: to..? |
| 01:09.00 | ben | hey ckknight sorry for acting like some stupid newbie earlier ^__^ |
| 01:09.15 | Speeddymon | ben: we've all been there at one point |
| 01:09.20 | FrostByghte | Speeddymon: I didn't think it out that far |
| 01:09.28 | Speeddymon | FrostByghte: lol |
| 01:09.31 | FrostByghte | :) |
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| 01:10.29 | bigjohn20 | Is there a workaround for Bartender not being able to use druid shapeshifting for the stance switches to different bars? |
| 01:11.04 | alcohol | ? |
| 01:11.08 | NavrasUS | it does. . . |
| 01:11.09 | alcohol | bigjohn20: what do you mean ? |
| 01:11.17 | Paradox | ckknight: I don't need a little ugly N to tell me which way is north! |
| 01:11.29 | Elfire | you might have to reload your ui, my priest friend had to before shadowform showed up |
| 01:11.32 | bigjohn20 | Bartender isn't detecting bear form as a stance |
| 01:11.35 | bigjohn20 | all right |
| 01:11.37 | ckknight | Paradox: yes you do! |
| 01:11.39 | alcohol | works fine for me mate |
| 01:11.40 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49248 10PitBull/ (PitBull.toc embeds.xml libs/): PitBull - add LibGratuity-3.0 to externals et al |
| 01:11.46 | ckknight | ben: ah, it's not your fault, it's in your nature |
| 01:11.47 | Elfire | if it's the first time you've loaded it |
| 01:11.59 | Speeddymon | Aens|Superiority: i think your issue may be using an addon that (whether you know it or not) modifies the minimap and makes it not the "blizzard" minimap.. or you are using something like visor, fluidframes, etc and you need to reset the position in one of those.. |
| 01:12.16 | ben | ckknight: I did not quite realise the nature of Rock, and all the drama that it pulls out of the twisting nether |
| 01:12.39 | bigjohn20 | Yeah, a reload UI worked, thanks Elfire |
| 01:13.03 | ckknight | ben: it's always darkest before the sun rises |
| 01:14.40 | FrostByghte | ben: when HardOn is release, you will really be af33r3d |
| 01:14.51 | alcohol | I would like to point out that drdamage has trouble updating when bartender3 pages to another stance bar |
| 01:14.53 | FrostByghte | ok...I'm done with the bad jokes tonight honest |
| 01:15.10 | ckknight | HardOn? |
| 01:15.11 | alcohol | it doesn't update until you use click / use one the buttons |
| 01:15.29 | FrostByghte | well, rock...you know...pfft |
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| 01:16.12 | Elfire | alcohol, i noticed that... (well, i only installed drdamage 1st time today, it was quite cool but that one thing was suboptimal...) |
| 01:16.32 | Paradox | Speeddymon: thanks works like a charm |
| 01:16.39 | ckknight | FrostByghte: MorningWood ftw? |
| 01:16.47 | FrostByghte | lol |
| 01:17.37 | FrostByghte | that's the one you should have gone with :) |
| 01:18.21 | FrostByghte | however, we can say that our addons are 'Rocked' 'Rock Hard' 'Rockified' so probably works better overall |
| 01:18.28 | FrostByghte | saw a few of those in the forums :) |
| 01:19.07 | ckknight | clearly we should just go all the way |
| 01:19.11 | ckknight | LibPenis-1.0 |
| 01:19.25 | ckknight | or, ooh |
| 01:19.27 | ckknight | LibFuck-1.0 |
| 01:19.36 | ckknight | hey dev, Fuck your addon |
| 01:19.47 | ckknight | I just want to use it after it's been fucked |
| 01:19.51 | FrostByghte | lol |
| 01:20.11 | FrostByghte | oh oh...for priests someone would come up with 'HolyFuck' |
| 01:20.21 | FrostByghte | lots of good plays on words with that |
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| 01:20.23 | ben | I guess I am just bitter because I almost figured out how to use the easy parts of Ace2 and you guys pump out another version |
| 01:21.38 | ckknight | yea, ben, it can be a pain at times |
| 01:21.48 | Elfire | @ckknight: ok i should be sleeping soon / hours ago... but here's an update. your latest PitBull change fixed my first error, but I have a really nasty other error... PitBull/libs/Banzai-1.1.lua:261: Banzai-1.1 is not running. You must register for one of the events. I get it once on startup, then repeatedly after I set my focus to something. Like, pressing Okay brings up a new error. Have to exit. |
| 01:21.48 | ckknight | but things are only going to get better from here on out |
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| 01:22.06 | ckknight | Elfire: that's an AceEvent-2.0 issue |
| 01:22.10 | ckknight | make sure that's updated fully |
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| 01:22.14 | Elfire | ok |
| 01:22.32 | ben | Also I have a really hard time understanding the difference between your stuff and what the ace3 guys want |
| 01:22.40 | ben | apparently either of you want to minimise overhead |
| 01:23.25 | ckknight | it's political |
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| 01:23.49 | WobWork | fairly much |
| 01:24.00 | WobWork | well both want to minimise overhead |
| 01:24.29 | FrostByghte | is Ace3 even available yet? |
| 01:24.36 | WobWork | no |
| 01:24.50 | FrostByghte | sort of a non-issue then until there is actually an Ace3 |
| 01:24.52 | WobWork | But you can comment and contribute to it on the jira |
| 01:25.35 | FrostByghte | I comment in the forums on whatever mods I use, when I find issues with them |
| 01:25.38 | Elfire | @ckknight well... i mean, i have PitBull under Packages, and ArkInventory and Bartender3 under Installed. I don't have anything else installed at the top level. So what can I do to ensure that the AceEvent library is up to date? As I understand it, it's contained under the PitBull libs dir and WAU should be updating it atomically? |
| 01:25.48 | ben | FrostByghte: Perhaps I decide that Ace3 fits my political agenda more! |
| 01:25.52 | Bruners | is it possible to promote a partymember to leader with a /command? |
| 01:25.55 | ben | FrostByghte: Then I would not bother to figure out Rock and just wait for it |
| 01:26.09 | ckknight | ben: do what you feel like |
| 01:26.11 | JoshBorke | Bruners: /promote |
| 01:26.17 | FrostByghte | ben, okie :) not sure why there is such a rush anyway tbh |
| 01:26.20 | WobWork | it's certainly within your rights as an end user =) |
| 01:26.24 | FrostByghte | why not just sit back and relax? |
| 01:26.27 | ben | ckknight: I just meant to deny the "non issue" thing |
| 01:26.34 | aestil | ckknight: PW:S + SW:D on a mob I don't kill, and i get SW:D ABOSRB! message |
| 01:26.51 | ckknight | okay then |
| 01:27.02 | ckknight | aestil: it's because there's blowback |
| 01:27.04 | FrostByghte | well it is a non-issue because you can't really code for something that is available...right? or am I wrong? |
| 01:27.32 | FrostByghte | hell I dunno, I just run the mods and when something breaks try and help solve the issue |
| 01:27.38 | ben | FrostByghte: I cannot code for it yet, but I have the issue right now whether to jump on Rock or wait for Ace3 |
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| 01:28.57 | aestil | yes. i just want it to say SW:D 1506 instead of 'unknown' |
| 01:28.58 | WobWork | ben: feel free to comment on the jira though to help out |
| 01:29.09 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49249 10LibRockComm-1.0/LibRockComm-1.0.lua: |
| 01:29.09 | CIA-22 | LibRockComm-1.0 |
| 01:29.09 | CIA-22 | - add Orwellian constructs to query the talent tree of someone else through Comm, works very much like the addon version pingers: |
| 01:29.09 | CIA-22 | - add :QueryTalents("distribution" [, "player"]) |
| 01:29.09 | CIA-22 | - add :AddTalentReceptor(callback) |
| 01:29.41 | ben | WobWork: I am not sure my minimal understanding is enough to make productive comments there. |
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| 01:31.16 | ben | Huh. Would someone mind to elaborate on the difference between a framework and a library? I seem to perceive that the difference is important, but I do not understand it at all. |
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| 01:31.52 | ckknight | *shrug* a framework is a library that the author feels is important |
| 01:31.54 | WobWork | A framework is the most basic collection of functions in order to get an addon running |
| 01:32.08 | WobWork | It should contain only what just about every addon will use |
| 01:32.08 | ckknight | it's hard to say objectively |
| 01:32.11 | ckknight | hey Seerah_ |
| 01:32.12 | JoshBorke | ckknight: what's an orwellian construct? |
| 01:32.13 | ckknight | happy birthday |
| 01:32.19 | Seerah_ | thank you! |
| 01:32.25 | WobWork | a library is a collection of functions that will only be used by maybe two or more addons |
| 01:32.32 | ckknight | JoshBorke: general invasion of privacy |
| 01:32.37 | WobWork | but not all addons |
| 01:32.54 | WobWork | for example, a map library that deals with the big map |
| 01:32.59 | WobWork | only map addons will use it |
| 01:33.01 | cladhaire | hrm.. why does support for that need to exist in the comm library? |
| 01:33.15 | TNSe | !ap 5v5 1930 |
| 01:33.15 | ThraeBot | TNSe: Rating given is above the threshold for conversion. Try a different number. Or perhaps you meant to convert points to ratings (!ar)? Either way, you fail at life. |
| 01:33.23 | TNSe | !ar 5v5 1930 |
| 01:33.23 | ThraeBot | TNSe: Arena rating from 5 points is, 2v2: 529, 3v3: 527, 5v5: 524 |
| 01:33.29 | ckknight | for the same reason that addon version pinging does, cladhaire. Because it's the only real way that I see to make everyone run it. |
| 01:33.29 | TNSe | heh |
| 01:33.32 | TNSe | !ar 1930 |
| 01:33.32 | ThraeBot | TNSe: Points given is above the threshold for conversion. Try a different number. Or perhaps you meant to convert ratings to points (!ap)? Either way, you fail at life. |
| 01:33.35 | TNSe | !ar 2185 |
| 01:33.36 | ThraeBot | Sorry TNSe, you must wait 12 seconds before making another request. |
| 01:33.44 | TNSe | now I'm confused :P |
| 01:33.46 | WobWork | a framework will have stuff like event handling, and so forth, basic things that just about every addon will use at one point |
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| 01:34.37 | WobWork | A good framework will have enough functionality to be useful, but not overmuch in that the majority of it gets unused |
| 01:34.52 | ben | WobWork: But can I not just stuff event handling in a library as well? How does the question "will a lot of people use this?" have to come in at all? |
| 01:35.28 | WobWork | Sure, but you asked the difference in definition between a framework and a library =) |
| 01:35.38 | WobWork | a framework is a specialised library you might say |
| 01:35.50 | ben | So it boils down to the ego of the dude who releases it? |
| 01:35.56 | WobWork | not really |
| 01:36.14 | ben | "Look at my awesome addon that is so totally a framework and not a library because it is just so awesome that everyone will use it?" |
| 01:36.16 | WobWork | Naming something a framework doesn't necessarily indicate it's a -good- framework |
| 01:36.27 | cladhaire | i'd define framework a bit differently |
| 01:36.28 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 01:36.36 | WobWork | just that the person belives that any addon that uses it uses all of the functionality within the framework |
| 01:36.38 | ckknight | WobWork: I declare your mother to be a framework |
| 01:36.39 | cladhaire | but only semantically |
| 01:36.43 | ckknight | though not a -good- framework |
| 01:37.03 | WobWork | ckknight: well, I know she's not bloated, so I'll pass on your definition =) |
| 01:37.07 | Cidarrrrn | ckknight, facetious? |
| 01:37.10 | Cidarrrrn | NAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWW |
| 01:37.13 | Cidarrrrn | ;P |
| 01:37.15 | ckknight | YAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWW |
| 01:37.44 | ben | WobWork: So, uh, a tiny library with just a single piece of functionality is a framework then |
| 01:37.47 | ben | ? |
| 01:37.51 | ben | Because any addon that uses it would use it all |
| 01:37.53 | WobWork | nope |
| 01:38.03 | WobWork | will every addon use that library? |
| 01:38.07 | Seerah_ | imo (and this is just my opinion, since I'm no coder :P ), a framework is something which addons can be built *with* or *upon*, a library is a collection of functions which an addon can utilize to ease coding done or to minimize duplicated code |
| 01:38.22 | WobWork | it's all about the common code within all addons |
| 01:38.29 | WobWork | a framework contains all the common code |
| 01:38.40 | ben | So basically the only framework is the Blizzard API...? |
| 01:38.45 | WobWork | a library contains reusable code within a certain subsection of addons |
| 01:38.57 | WobWork | The API is a framework, yes |
| 01:39.09 | WobWork | not something we can easily influence though =) |
| 01:39.10 | ckknight | not every addon will use timers, not every addon will use events |
| 01:39.12 | Seerah_ | how about this... A framework is more general, while a library is more specific |
| 01:39.22 | ckknight | therefore, by your own logic, those shouldn't be in the framework |
| 01:39.29 | ckknight | *shrug* |
| 01:39.34 | WobWork | I never said a framework is static |
| 01:39.35 | ckknight | I dunno, I don't wanna argue semantics |
| 01:39.42 | ben | Seerah_: I do not understand the general/specific thing. Does that just mean that frameworks are bigger? Assuming general means broader range of functionality. |
| 01:39.50 | WobWork | eg, with Ace3, if you don't want events... you don't include AceEvent |
| 01:39.59 | Seerah_ | no. you're not seeing the whole picture, ben |
| 01:40.00 | WobWork | simple |
| 01:40.19 | ben | Seerah_: I guess so :? |
| 01:40.36 | Seerah_ | general meaning that the code contained within is useful to all addons. |
| 01:40.41 | Seerah_ | how about this analogy: |
| 01:40.46 | ben | is it about cars |
| 01:40.52 | WobWork | hehe |
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| 01:40.59 | WobWork | Make it about waffles |
| 01:41.03 | WobWork | or pancakes |
| 01:41.05 | Seerah_ | a framework is like the foundation of a building .... |
| 01:41.12 | ckknight | WobWork: yea, but that's the same with Ace2 or Rock |
| 01:41.17 | ckknight | not including the one part |
| 01:41.25 | ben | hey ckknight is rock a framework or a library or perhaps a set of libraries |
| 01:41.38 | WobWork | ckknight: the problem with Ace2 was that AceOO was required |
| 01:41.39 | ckknight | ben: I personally consider it a set of core libraries |
| 01:41.40 | Seerah_ | every building needs a foundation to be built upon, structure for walls, roof... |
| 01:41.53 | ckknight | WobWork: yea, you're right, it's not that way in Rock |
| 01:41.54 | WobWork | thus not being entirely 'separate' |
| 01:42.15 | WobWork | Rock is all yours =) |
| 01:42.24 | ben | Seerah_: Okay, but considering that there are addons that have no dependencies at all, the Blizzard API would be the only thing that qualifies as a framework? |
| 01:42.37 | WobWork | Nah |
| 01:42.40 | Seerah_ | but houses need different things than warehouses - though they all start out with the same needs originally |
| 01:42.41 | ben | Because consequently it is the only thing that all addons need? |
| 01:42.46 | WobWork | the API would be considered like.. the concrete and bricks |
| 01:42.51 | WobWork | it's the building materials |
| 01:43.16 | Seerah_ | I would classify the API as the land that building sits upon |
| 01:43.18 | WobWork | The 'framework' is like moulds, and building standards |
| 01:43.24 | Seerah_ | it defines what can be done with the building and how it can be built |
| 01:43.46 | Seerah_ | *shrug* |
| 01:43.58 | ckknight | Rock is like a big mountain. given enough dynamite, you can make a hole in said mountain and call it a house. |
| 01:44.01 | ckknight | :-P |
| 01:44.11 | Seerah_ | hehe |
| 01:44.45 | ben | I had no idea addons development would be so complicated |
| 01:45.11 | Seerah_ | that's why you code framework free for your first addon(s) |
| 01:45.20 | ckknight | Seerah_: I didn't do that |
| 01:45.30 | ckknight | I coded FuBar using Ace right away :-P |
| 01:45.31 | ben | But how am I going to know whether I am framework free if I do not understand what a framework is? |
| 01:45.34 | Seerah_ | yes, but your superhuman... >.> |
| 01:45.38 | Seerah_ | *you're |
| 01:45.55 | Seerah_ | or just crazy |
| 01:45.58 | Seerah_ | *shrug* |
| 01:45.59 | ckknight | no rebuttal. |
| 01:46.01 | ckknight | to either. |
| 01:46.27 | Seerah_ | me: I'm a nub |
| 01:46.59 | WobWork | ben: if you just use the API, you're framework free =) |
| 01:47.18 | WobWork | You're using the bricks and concrete and such on your own |
| 01:47.23 | ben | what if my first addon is my own framework |
| 01:47.26 | WobWork | without any external assistance |
| 01:47.39 | WobWork | a framework doesn't do anything by itself |
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| 01:48.04 | WobWork | they're like the tools in the toolbox |
| 01:48.07 | ckknight | ben: I find that's the wrong approach, personally. I built Rock around what my addons needed instead of the other way around |
| 01:48.15 | ckknight | well, Ace2 as well |
| 01:48.19 | ckknight | my needs changed |
| 01:48.31 | WobWork | you can use them to build whatever you want... but you need to build it. |
| 01:48.33 | Tinyboom | ckknight: any way to show raid group numbers in pitbull over the groups? can't seem to find it, except when in config mode... |
| 01:48.36 | ggilbert | Write the framework around apps and not the other way around. |
| 01:48.39 | ckknight | since all I had was FuBar before, now I have all sorts of things, have a broader perspective |
| 01:48.46 | ckknight | Tinyboom: sorry, no |
| 01:48.56 | WobWork | ggilbert: that works. If you're the only one writing the apps =) |
| 01:49.03 | ckknight | I'm like Nintendo |
| 01:49.07 | ggilbert | If you start with the framework you're going to have a lot of junk you really don't need and be lacking the stuff you do. |
| 01:49.08 | WobWork | which in ckknight's case, it does |
| 01:49.25 | ben | ckknight: So basically you looked at what your addons would do, then took the common subset and put that into a library? |
| 01:49.33 | ckknight | ggilbert: which is why Ace2 kept having stuff added on to it over and over and became bloated. |
| 01:49.35 | Tinyboom | ckknight: gief^^ joking ;) |
| 01:49.41 | ckknight | ben: generally. |
| 01:49.49 | ckknight | Tinyboom: gief what? |
| 01:49.49 | Seerah_ | tinyboom: create a new text area, set it to custom, and put this in the field: [RaidGroup] |
| 01:50.01 | Tinyboom | thanks Seerah_:) |
| 01:50.06 | ckknight | granted, with my framework, anyone can create new mods pretty easy |
| 01:50.15 | ggilbert | WobWork: You can use a similar approach when working with a team. The problem is designing the framework in a vacuum. |
| 01:50.29 | Seerah_ | tinyboom: then you'll have the group number for every person, but it's a work-around |
| 01:50.33 | ckknight | and if the situation arises where something else needs to go in the framework, it'll go in. I just know to properly turn away silly requests :-P |
| 01:50.43 | WobWork | ggilbert: There's not a vacuum, there's a huge, thriving addon community =) |
| 01:50.50 | WobWork | ggilbert: if this were a new game, then sure |
| 01:51.02 | WobWork | but WoW, and addons have been around for some time now |
| 01:51.10 | Thrae | ggilbert: I try not to develop things in a vacuum, since I need my air. |
| 01:51.12 | WobWork | we have a better idea of the common subset of required functions |
| 01:51.16 | Tinyboom | Seerah_: true, but it should work:) |
| 01:51.32 | ben | I still do not get this at all. Perhaps someone can explain why we need frameworks at all and cannot make everything a library? |
| 01:51.47 | WobWork | ben: it makes development of new addons easier |
| 01:52.02 | ben | WobWork: Why are frameworks easier than libraries? |
| 01:52.08 | WobWork | they're the same thing |
| 01:52.23 | ben | what |
| 01:52.24 | Kritter | is Cartographer still throwing the odd error for anyone else? not thousands like yesterday... |
| 01:52.28 | WobWork | you need to understand. A framework is a library, but a library isn't necessarily a part of a framework |
| 01:52.39 | ckknight | Kritter: which error? |
| 01:52.42 | Seerah_ | you're going to confuse him further ;) |
| 01:52.44 | WobWork | it's like a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square |
| 01:52.53 | Thrae | ben: Frameworks are basically just code collaboration for ease of development and hopefully some optimization, as well as setting a reasonable standard and underpinnings for addon maintenance. |
| 01:52.59 | ckknight | all cats are fussy, not all fussy things are cats. |
| 01:53.03 | Kritter | [2007/09/18 20:03:08-459-x1]: Cartographer_LookNFeel-2.0\LookNFeel.lua:591: Usage: WorldMapFrame:SetScale(scale) |
| 01:53.06 | Kritter | LibRock-1.0--50761 (LibRock-1.0):2456: in function <Interface\AddOns\LibRock-1.0\LibRock-1.0.lua:2433> |
| 01:53.10 | Kritter | LibRock-1.0--50761 (LibRock-1.0):2582: in function <Interface\AddOns\LibRock-1.0\LibRock-1.0.lua:2580> |
| 01:53.14 | ckknight | Kritter: thought I fixed that. |
| 01:53.17 | WobWork | Kritter: pastey please =P |
| 01:53.24 | Kritter | almost needed pastebin, sorry. |
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| 01:53.29 | ckknight | Kritter: easy way to fix: /script CartographerDB = nil; /rl |
| 01:53.31 | ckknight | :-P |
| 01:53.32 | Thrae | ~pastey |
| 01:53.33 | purl | i guess pastey is the place we like to have errors, diffs, and any large chunks of text sent. http://norganna.pastey.net Insert the text, press the 'Paste' button, and post the resulting URL in here. |
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| 01:54.20 | ben | I think I am going to stick to libraries ._. |
| 01:54.32 | Kritter | lastnight it was throwing the error alot, now its only when I think I open the map. |
| 01:54.41 | Seerah_ | okay, I came in in the middle of this convo... why are you so interested in libraries, ben? |
| 01:54.45 | Kritter | yup. |
| 01:56.17 | Thrae | purl, no pastey is the place we like to have errors, diffs, and any large chunks of text sent. Look at the topic of the channel you're in to see if they have a specific pastey.net they like to use, otherwise, you can use whatever you want -- yournick.pastey.net, flood.pastey.net, or just pastey.net. Go to one of these URLs, insert the text, press the 'Paste' button, and copy & paste the resulting URL in the channel you were about |
| 01:56.18 | purl | okay, Thrae |
| 01:56.34 | WobWork | I think ben's confused as to the difference between frameworks and libraries |
| 01:56.51 | Olison | so am i. -.- |
| 01:56.58 | Kritter | ckknight, the quick fix, didn't. |
| 01:57.02 | Kritter | just fyi. |
| 01:57.08 | Paradox | http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/4176/wipki8.png what can I do to improve this? |
| 01:57.10 | ckknight | srsly? |
| 01:57.19 | ckknight | Kritter: you reloaded the ui and everything? |
| 01:57.28 | Kritter | I did. |
| 01:57.47 | ckknight | :-( |
| 01:57.48 | WobWork | Just consider frameworks to contain common code that would be used across just about all addons. Libraries are for common code that will only be used across a subset of addons |
| 01:58.11 | Speeddymon | scrolling back thru the buffer, to see what i missed since i left..<08:38:06 pm> <Seerah_> imo (and this is just my opinion, since I'm no coder :P ), a framework is something which addons can be built *with* or *upon*, a library is a collection of functions which an addon can utilize to ease coding done or to minimize duplicated code |
| 01:58.16 | Speeddymon | i agree with Seerah_ on that |
| 01:58.19 | Kritter | I have one error on game/ui load and a different one each time I open the map. |
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| 02:00.09 | Seerah_ | paradox: improve what? |
| 02:00.17 | Paradox | the UI |
| 02:00.21 | ben | Seerah_: I read in some ace3 vs rock discussion that the distinction between libraries and frameworks is very important |
| 02:00.24 | Kritter | here they both are if you like: http://pastebin.com/m38605449 |
| 02:00.47 | WobWork | It is if you confuse the two =) |
| 02:00.47 | Elfire | i'm still getting the Banzai error and I'm not sure what I should be doing in respect of AceEvent-2.0... |
| 02:00.56 | WobWork | well no, that's not true |
| 02:01.01 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49250 10Cartographer/Cartographer_LookNFeel/LookNFeel.lua: Cartographer_LookNFeel - bugfix |
| 02:01.47 | ckknight | Elfire: I don't know |
| 02:03.07 | WobWork | ben: What's important is that people understand that there -is- a distinction between libraries and frameworks |
| 02:03.11 | WobWork | Not that the difference is important |
| 02:03.22 | Speeddymon | true |
| 02:03.27 | ben | That does not make sense to me :[ |
| 02:03.35 | sb | PitBull_Aura\Aura.lua:1197: Usage: GetItemInfo(itemID|"name"|"itemlink") |
| 02:03.50 | WobWork | There is a difference between squares and rectangles |
| 02:04.00 | ben | Yeah, and it is pretty obvious to me. |
| 02:04.03 | WobWork | even though squares can be defined as a rectangle |
| 02:04.10 | Seerah_ | is the difference a matter of life and death? no |
| 02:04.12 | sb | ckknight: could be because of ' in the item name? |
| 02:04.16 | ben | It is a square if a = b. |
| 02:04.17 | Speeddymon | ben: the easiest way to explain a framework vs a lib is to say that ace is a framework, ace2 is a core set of libs, and rock is a lib |
| 02:04.28 | ben | I cannot say something like that about frameworks. |
| 02:04.30 | Seerah_ | ?? |
| 02:04.33 | ckknight | sb: it's because you are most certainly out of date |
| 02:04.39 | sb | no :/ |
| 02:04.43 | ben | Speeddymon: ckknight just called Rock a framework a while above |
| 02:04.51 | ckknight | Speeddymon: rock is a set of libs |
| 02:05.03 | WobWork | it's also a framework =) |
| 02:05.03 | ckknight | but also a framework |
| 02:05.05 | ckknight | and a hippo |
| 02:05.10 | WobWork | as a framework is a set of libs |
| 02:05.18 | ckknight | a hippo is a framework |
| 02:05.18 | Speeddymon | s/rock/rocklib |
| 02:05.23 | WobWork | that the author considers 'core' |
| 02:05.24 | ckknight | see the lojik? |
| 02:05.28 | WobWork | to all their addons |
| 02:05.46 | nogudnik | Rock is a delightful dessert topping and carpet cleaner ..... |
| 02:05.53 | Speeddymon | damnit why the hell does purl not ever fidx my sentences? |
| 02:05.57 | Speeddymon | s/fidx/fix |
| 02:06.08 | ckknight | because you're an asshole, Speeddymon |
| 02:06.10 | WobWork | however, say, a library that deals with Battlegrounds info, capping towers etc does not belong in a framework |
| 02:06.11 | FrostByghte | this is like the old 'Who's on First' skit from Abbott and Costello |
| 02:06.15 | ckknight | s/n asshole/ fine gentleman/ |
| 02:06.22 | ckknight | see the trailing slash. |
| 02:06.29 | liquidzoo | lol |
| 02:06.36 | Speeddymon | oh ok |
| 02:06.39 | ckknight | :-P |
| 02:06.42 | Speeddymon | ben: the easiest way to explain a framework vs a lib is to say that ace is a framework, ace2 is a core set of libs, and rock is a lib |
| 02:06.47 | Speeddymon | s/rock/rocklib/ |
| 02:06.58 | ckknight | LibRock-1.0 is a library |
| 02:07.03 | ckknight | much as AceAddon-2.0 is a library |
| 02:07.05 | Speeddymon | ya |
| 02:07.08 | ckknight | but "Rock" constitutes many libraries |
| 02:07.15 | ckknight | as does "Ace2" |
| 02:07.24 | FrostByghte | this will explain everything about framework/libraries: http://www.baseball-almanac.com/humor4.shtml |
| 02:07.41 | Speeddymon | libraries are parts of a framework is how i meant it, but they can also be built around and on the framework, and they can add to that framework |
| 02:07.56 | alcohol | hey ckknight |
| 02:08.00 | ckknight | hey |
| 02:08.08 | alcohol | cartographer doesn't have any libraries for instance loot it says :< |
| 02:08.09 | Seerah_ | <3 FrostByghte |
| 02:08.11 | Speeddymon | here we go.. firefox's scripting language is a framework, and the extensions are libraries |
| 02:08.17 | ckknight | alcohol: bah, yes it does |
| 02:08.21 | alcohol | has no tabke |
| 02:08.22 | ckknight | least it should... |
| 02:08.23 | alcohol | table* |
| 02:08.35 | alcohol | though it's not an error, it's stated in the chat window |
| 02:08.36 | FrostByghte | Seerah, I sent you a happy b-day forum message |
| 02:08.36 | ben | These examples do not really seem to help me at all. |
| 02:08.38 | WobWork | Speeddymon: ...not really... the extensions are addons =) |
| 02:08.56 | WobWork | and the scripting language is the APU |
| 02:08.58 | ckknight | it does, alcohol... |
| 02:08.59 | WobWork | API |
| 02:09.03 | syeren | ckknight, did you figure out how to fix my problem yet :)? |
| 02:09.05 | Speeddymon | yes, but as i said a minute ago, the libraries can add on to the framework.. |
| 02:09.06 | syeren | Or need any more feedback? |
| 02:09.12 | ckknight | syeren: I forgot your problem |
| 02:09.17 | WobWork | libraries are sets of common code |
| 02:09.17 | syeren | Want the pastey? |
| 02:09.21 | ckknight | yea |
| 02:09.23 | syeren | http://pastey.net/74055 |
| 02:09.24 | Speeddymon | but so are frameworks.. |
| 02:09.27 | WobWork | yes |
| 02:09.27 | alcohol | ckknight: well, not for blackrock spire :< |
| 02:09.33 | ckknight | syeren: oh, I have no idea |
| 02:09.36 | WobWork | but extensions don't use libraries |
| 02:09.40 | ckknight | alcohol: I don't know :-( |
| 02:09.42 | WobWork | I'm just saying the analogy is flawed =) |
| 02:09.46 | Speeddymon | ok ok |
| 02:09.56 | ckknight | okay, so you have a hippo, that's the framework |
| 02:09.59 | Seerah_ | yeah, I don't think that's accurate |
| 02:10.06 | ckknight | addons are like the little birds that land on the hippo and groom it |
| 02:10.07 | Speeddymon | frameworks always include libraries, but libraries don't have to be part of a framework |
| 02:10.13 | alcohol | ckknight: others work |
| 02:10.16 | FrostByghte | let's call it a fiddlestick and agree on that? |
| 02:10.19 | WobWork | Speeddymon: yes =) |
| 02:10.24 | ckknight | you're a fiddlestick! |
| 02:10.32 | FrostByghte | fiddlestick = framework/library/or anything |
| 02:10.34 | Speeddymon | ben, you are probably confused all to hell by now |
| 02:10.37 | Speeddymon | lol |
| 02:10.40 | FrostByghte | so Rock = fiddlestick |
| 02:10.54 | Speeddymon | rock = ckknight's fiddlestick |
| 02:10.56 | alcohol | but blackrock spire gives me [Cartographer_InstanceLoot] PT3 has no table InstanceLoot.Blackrock Spire.everybossnamehere |
| 02:10.59 | FrostByghte | there ya go |
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| 02:11.14 | ben | I am just looking for a criterion that I can apply to a given addon to answer "is it a library?"/"is it a framework?"/"is it neither?" |
| 02:11.23 | Seerah_ | http://re3.mm-a4.yimg.com/image/2891396653 |
| 02:11.25 | FrostByghte | it's a fiddlestick ben |
| 02:11.25 | ggilbert | ben: It's mostly intent |
| 02:11.40 | FrostByghte | it's a freakin fiddlestick! |
| 02:11.44 | ckknight | yea, it's all based on the author's intent |
| 02:11.54 | ckknight | therefore, it's up to the author to call it a framework or not |
| 02:11.57 | Kritter | Cute Seerah_ very cute. |
| 02:12.00 | WobWork | ben: A library or a framework does -nothing- on it's own |
| 02:12.08 | ckknight | lol, Seerah_ |
| 02:12.09 | WobWork | an addon is not a library or a framework |
| 02:12.12 | ben | WobWork: Great, that still does not allow me to differentiate between the two. |
| 02:12.22 | ckknight | addons can be frameworks, but different kinds of frameworks |
| 02:12.37 | WobWork | ckknight: now you're just confusing the situation =P |
| 02:12.40 | Speeddymon | ok the criterion then would be this: if it gives you anything that you use in game, it is most likely neither, if it gives you ONLY stuff that you would take advantage of writing an addon, then it is either a lib or a framework.. if it does #2, and it is part of a collection of other addons that do the same, then it is a framwork |
| 02:12.56 | rophy2 | framework library: utility functions which does not have an actual application e.g. timers, non-framework library: utility functions which targetted at specific application e.g. battleground, addon: those which do more than providing utility functions |
| 02:13.05 | ckknight | WobWork: true, but Cartographer is a map framework, it provides ways to manipulate the map but depends on extensions to do so |
| 02:13.33 | Speeddymon | cartographer does things in game on its own though without any external addons, doesn't it? |
| 02:13.37 | WobWork | that's outside the scope of the framework definition ben's looking for |
| 02:13.52 | ckknight | Speeddymon: actually no, without extensions, it practically does nothing |
| 02:13.54 | WobWork | ie, you're confusing the situation more =P |
| 02:13.58 | ben | Speeddymon: So if I were to write a library that does, say, bookkeeping about my kills in AV, and another library that displays timers for AV objectives, and then distribute them together, they are a framework? |
| 02:14.08 | ben | Like, if I wrap them into a collection. |
| 02:14.13 | WobWork | ben: no, they're libraries |
| 02:14.25 | WobWork | a framework is generally assumed to have functions that practically -all- addons will use |
| 02:14.35 | JoshBorke | i found this discussion mind boggling numbing about 45 minutes ago |
| 02:14.37 | ben | But there is no single such framework. |
| 02:14.38 | JoshBorke | when i logged in |
| 02:14.42 | WobWork | yes there is |
| 02:14.42 | FrostByghte | no shit |
| 02:14.44 | Seerah_ | didn't we already say that 10 times? ;) |
| 02:14.46 | Speeddymon | ok but are there extensions built into the core cartographer addon that you download as a zip from files.wowace.com? if so, then what i said above is true.. and we should be referencing cartographer as the core of cartographer |
| 02:14.49 | WobWork | Ace2/Ace3/Dongle/Rock |
| 02:15.00 | FrostByghte | JoshBorke: I tried to solve the issue with fiddlesticks :( |
| 02:15.03 | ben | I have plenty of addons here that do not use functions provided by either of these |
| 02:15.11 | WobWork | They don't -use- a framework then |
| 02:15.17 | ben | Yeah. |
| 02:15.30 | WobWork | it doesn't mean that the code within the framework -can't- be used by most addons |
| 02:15.35 | JoshBorke | ~wiki framework |
| 02:15.37 | JoshBorke | ~wiki library |
| 02:15.43 | ben | But you said it is a framework if practically all addons use it |
| 02:15.56 | WobWork | no |
| 02:15.58 | Seerah_ | OKAY! That's enough. Let's give ben some reading to do to study up and call this topic quits... If you're not going to "get" it, ben, no offense (I am a teacher) but I don't think you should be worrying about it so.... |
| 02:16.07 | WobWork | I said a framework contains code that practically all addons use. |
| 02:16.08 | Seerah_ | thank you, JoshBorke |
| 02:16.13 | Seerah_ | there's your homework, ben |
| 02:16.16 | JoshBorke | go go |
| 02:16.19 | WobWork | Go research |
| 02:16.21 | FrostByghte | holy hell |
| 02:16.34 | ben | Okay so basically you have no idea yourself/fifteen conflicting ideas |
| 02:16.52 | Thrae | e ben some reading to do to study up and call this topic quits... If you're not going to "get" it, |
| 02:17.07 | Thrae | Errr, what the hell |
| 02:17.11 | Seerah_ | :P |
| 02:17.14 | Seerah_ | plagiarism |
| 02:17.18 | FrostByghte | fiddlestick ftw...I'm tellin ya |
| 02:17.18 | ben | I am going to claim that at least half of you do not "get" it either, or you would be able to come up with a criterion that more than two people agree to |
| 02:17.22 | ckknight | copyright infringement! |
| 02:17.30 | Speeddymon | here, a framework simply put is a collection of libraries that covers all parts of the blizzard api |
| 02:17.32 | Thrae | Must have highlighted something in the terminal by mistake. Anyway.... |
| 02:17.42 | Thrae | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Avoid_Using_Event_Libraries_For_Simple_Tasks <-- simple "framework" |
| 02:17.43 | ckknight | no, Speeddymon |
| 02:17.46 | WobWork | ben: we're mostly in agreement =P |
| 02:17.52 | Speeddymon | it adds functionality to all parts of the api so that _any_ addon can use some part of it, but no all will.. |
| 02:17.56 | WobWork | you're not picking it up, it seems |
| 02:18.02 | ggilbert | They seem to be in agreement on the broad points. :) |
| 02:18.08 | WobWork | and ckknight is just confusing the whole situation for lulz |
| 02:18.09 | ben | WobWork: Except when I repeated anything either of you said, about three other guys jumped up to correct me. |
| 02:18.17 | ckknight | it is true |
| 02:18.20 | ckknight | I did it for the lulz |
| 02:18.23 | WobWork | Cause you're not repeating anything said in the right context |
| 02:18.31 | Speeddymon | myself included.. because you were saying it in a different way, that gave it different meaning |
| 02:18.56 | Seerah_ | you just wanted me to find you a hippo pic, ck... :P |
| 02:19.22 | ben | I am not sure how context applies here |
| 02:19.26 | ckknight | lol, I wanted to confuse things further, because it was hilarious, also, I said hippo before, I only thought of the hippo-bird correlation after |
| 02:19.26 | Seerah_ | ohhh - is that gonna be the name of your next project? ;) |
| 02:19.41 | ckknight | I haven't come up with a next project yet |
| 02:19.45 | FrostByghte | Hippo-Bird? |
| 02:19.48 | ckknight | well, I have, but it's secret |
| 02:19.53 | ggilbert | For example, a framework in the general wow sense provides functionality that pretty much any user level addon is going to be able to make use of to simplify development. Not every author chooses to make use of the framework's way of doing things if it doesn't fit their preference. |
| 02:19.55 | ben | ckknight you should write some sort of addon glossary |
| 02:20.02 | ckknight | :-P |
| 02:20.18 | ben | User level addon being non-library? |
| 02:20.22 | Speeddymon | ggilbert, i think you almost got it.. i would have said it this way though.. |
| 02:20.24 | Speeddymon | frameworks have a bunch of stuff that not every addon will use, but any addon can use. example, ace2 could be considered a framework, and one piece of that framework that any addon can use and most addons _do_ use is acedb.. it's what gives us the format of our savedvariables |
| 02:20.38 | FrostByghte | I think that loses some coolness points, I don't want any hippo-bird framework/library/ad nausem! |
| 02:20.49 | Speeddymon | mot all addons use acedb because not all addons need to store savedvariables |
| 02:21.02 | ggilbert | ben: Basically. Don't crucify me if there's a class of addons I didn't think of :) |
| 02:21.21 | Seerah_ | speeddymon: I think you're going off of what the Ace2 framework has become and not necessarily what it should be.... |
| 02:21.23 | Speeddymon | but, the ace'd addons that do, use it because it makes it _much_ easier to write to savedvariables and to figure out what is going where if you do use it |
| 02:21.31 | ben | Now that seems way more sensible. |
| 02:21.54 | Seerah_ | but anyway...... HOW ABOUT THEM TIGERS? :P |
| 02:22.04 | ben | Did you just confuse me on purpose earlier >:[ |
| 02:22.21 | ckknight | I know I did |
| 02:22.22 | Speeddymon | i am going off of what it has become because i came in late in the game.. i didnt start playing wow until the day after tbc came out |
| 02:22.26 | Speeddymon | and ben, no i didnt |
| 02:22.42 | ben | ckknight: I know you did |
| 02:23.02 | Speeddymon | so to have picked up ace as well and as much as i have so quickly kinda surprises me as well |
| 02:23.05 | Seerah_ | http://www.stlzoo.org/images/tiger_baby.jpg |
| 02:23.18 | Speeddymon | pastamancer: ping |
| 02:23.20 | Speeddymon | ~lart pastamancer |
| 02:23.20 | purl | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, pastamancer!" and lops off pastamancer's head |
| 02:24.00 | ckknight | aw, Seerah_ |
| 02:24.12 | Speeddymon | cute |
| 02:24.43 | Speeddymon | ckknight: so you think the problem with the errors i was getting earlier is maybe due to that onenable being called before oninitialize? |
| 02:24.43 | ggilbert | ben: there are also similar, but different contexts. Like what cknight brought up with Cartographer being a map framework. Instead of being functionality every addon developer could make use of, it restricts itself to what most map addon developers would want. |
| 02:24.51 | ckknight | Speeddymon: I fixed that |
| 02:24.51 | Seerah_ | you can find anything on the interwebz |
| 02:24.57 | ckknight | Speeddymon: least it should be fixed |
| 02:25.19 | Speeddymon | hmm.. seems that maybe the librocklocale part is still doing it.. |
| 02:25.22 | ckknight | Speeddymon: it's possible that a race condition appeared with LibStub not upgrading properly (which is now fixed, but previous versions mess up) |
| 02:25.23 | Seerah_ | ggilbert: convo over ;) PM eachother ;) <3 |
| 02:25.28 | ggilbert | hehe :) |
| 02:25.34 | Speeddymon | ill uninstall and reinstall libstub |
| 02:25.46 | ckknight | Speeddymon: so: if you make sure that all libraries are up to date (or you use standalones), it should work |
| 02:25.50 | ckknight | specifically LibRock-1.0 |
| 02:26.06 | JoshBorke | yea, how do race conditions work in single threaded apps? |
| 02:26.27 | ckknight | ah, perhaps I'm using the term wrong |
| 02:26.29 | ben | ggilbert: Thanks, you are offering me quite a lot of insight. |
| 02:26.32 | ckknight | ~wiki race condition |
| 02:26.51 | JoshBorke | hm, i see |
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| 02:27.12 | Speeddymon_ | reinstalling all addons thru wau now.. lol this could take a while |
| 02:30.04 | Speeddymon_ | hmm, didnt take as long as i thought it would |
| 02:30.56 | Speeddymon_ | loading wow.. lets see what happens |
| 02:31.51 | ben | Why did you do that? |
| 02:34.25 | Seerah_ | do what? |
| 02:34.54 | Speeddymon_ | ben: because i keep getting an error on /rl that no translations are loaded for fubar.. |
| 02:35.05 | Speeddymon_ | ckknight: and its still there now |
| 02:35.11 | ben | Yeah, I get that too. |
| 02:36.07 | Speeddymon_ | 41 errors with the same message, for various lines in fubar.. |
| 02:36.28 | aestil | FuBarPlugin-2.0-48629:944: in function <...\FuBarPlugin-2.0\FuBarPlugin-2.0\FuBarPlugin-2.0.lua:941> |
| 02:36.29 | aestil | FuBar-49053\FuBar.lua:1157: in function |
| 02:36.41 | aestil | anyone have that associated with a niagara error? |
| 02:39.38 | alcohol | bedtime, cheerio |
| 02:44.35 | ben | My connection to wowace.com times out when I try to access the LibRock-1.0 page |
| 02:44.39 | ben | clearly ace3 is going to be superior |
| 02:45.06 | ckknight | ... |
| 02:45.20 | Seerah_ | ??? |
| 02:45.32 | ckknight | โ โ โ |
| 02:45.37 | Seerah_ | users shouldn't care what's in their addons |
| 02:45.48 | Seerah_ | there is no competition |
| 02:46.22 | FrostByghte | I also agree about Ace3 superiority! My laundry is not nearly as fresh...with this....bah...Rock thing! |
| 02:46.38 | aestil | my sex life has diminished since rock came ou t ckk. |
| 02:46.39 | FrostByghte | you call these whiter than white?!?! PSSSSH |
| 02:46.59 | Shirik | wtf |
| 02:47.10 | ben | Seerah_: I am not sure how that is supposed to work when I have to remember to open Niagara for Ace2 addons and rightclick Fubar for Rock addons! |
| 02:47.50 | Seerah_ | ideally, everything would be able to be configured in the same place. |
| 02:48.03 | ckknight | too bad we don't live in an ideal world |
| 02:48.14 | Seerah_ | not everyone uses Niagara anyway |
| 02:48.20 | Seerah_ | a lot do (myself included) |
| 02:48.48 | Seerah_ | but I also take things in stride and don't care too much about where to config things, just as long as it's easier than one by one ;) |
| 02:49.03 | ben | Seerah_: I was just using Niagara as a random AceOptions interface |
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| 02:49.22 | ben | or naming, rather. |
| 02:49.33 | Seerah_ | Not everyone uses DeuceCommander either ;) Some people don't use anything :) |
| 02:50.25 | ben | well ok i pity them |
| 02:50.57 | ben | Surely you are not arguing that we might as well reimplement the whole "configuring addons" thing all the time like it was in the dark times before ace |
| 02:51.04 | ben | just because some people do not use niagara |
| 02:51.09 | Seerah_ | ?? |
| 02:51.23 | Seerah_ | I'm saying what's the big deal? |
| 02:51.39 | Seerah_ | at least you don't have to do everything by slash command |
| 02:52.30 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49251 10LibDogTag-2.0/LibDogTag-2.0.lua: |
| 02:52.30 | CIA-22 | LibDogTag-2.0 - add tag [TalentSpec], which works if you have LibRockComm-1.0 |
| 02:52.30 | CIA-22 | and the person you're checking it on also has it. It returns in the form of |
| 02:52.30 | CIA-22 | 0/41/20, not names yet (which if I implement, will be another tag). |
| 02:56.07 | darchon | speeddymon: I'm also getting the same error message. Fubar or LibRockLocale conflicts with !ImprovedErrorFrame. I changed to !BugGrabber. |
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| 03:08.55 | Tuller | ben: the dark ages before ace2? :) |
| 03:11.35 | ckknight | part of me is wondering about providing alternative interfaces to LibRockConfig-1.0 |
| 03:11.40 | ckknight | but it's hard... |
| 03:12.01 | WobWork | haven't most of the complaints been about that config page? |
| 03:12.16 | ckknight | yea, but I've gotten a ton of compliments, too |
| 03:12.28 | WobWork | so they balance out? |
| 03:12.33 | ckknight | I think so |
| 03:12.42 | ckknight | people want to use what they're used to |
| 03:12.49 | ckknight | I figure they can just get used to LibRockConfig-1.0 |
| 03:12.54 | WobWork | ah |
| 03:13.28 | Tuller | worst case, just make rock config look pretty |
| 03:13.36 | ckknight | any suggestions? |
| 03:13.42 | ckknight | I'm open to suggestions |
| 03:13.46 | Tuller | blizzard looks! |
| 03:13.50 | ckknight | ick |
| 03:13.52 | WobWork | Make it somewhat smaller? |
| 03:14.01 | ckknight | WobWork: you can drag it |
| 03:14.07 | ckknight | and a scaling patch is being worked on |
| 03:14.08 | WobWork | can you shrink it? |
| 03:14.13 | Tuller | ckknight: then hire some artists :P |
| 03:14.15 | ckknight | yes |
| 03:14.15 | ckknight | de bottom-right corner |
| 03:14.44 | WobWork | although, it's more of a "can you still use it effectively when resized" |
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| 03:14.54 | ckknight | yea |
| 03:15.31 | WobWork | ~image hosting |
| 03:15.34 | Tuller | hrm, add more spacing? |
| 03:15.36 | cladhaire | ~imagehosting |
| 03:15.37 | purl | it has been said that imagehosting is http://images.gammatester.com/ by the courtesy of cladhaire |
| 03:15.39 | WobWork | ta |
| 03:15.49 | Tuller | I have not looked at all of the options, but things were kindof clumped together |
| 03:16.02 | Tuller | i'll stare at it more after this 5 man |
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| 03:16.39 | NavrasUS | ckknight: not sure if this was addressed, if so, sorry, but the tooltips when in Rock config don't follow addon setting with TinyTip (i.e. the tooltips are where blizzard default is, not where i set Frame tooltips to be in TinyTip) |
| 03:16.41 | Wobwork | crashed pidgin =P |
| 03:16.43 | Wobwork | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/ace0b17696c26dddbd24bb213463654c.PNG |
| 03:16.49 | Wobwork | this is my inbox atm =P |
| 03:16.50 | darchon | Unrealii: ?... |
| 03:16.52 | ckknight | NavrasUS: yea, it has been, bug in jira |
| 03:16.57 | NavrasUS | ahh, kk ty |
| 03:17.04 | ckknight | well, filed in jira |
| 03:17.10 | NavrasUS | heh, yeah |
| 03:17.35 | cladhaire | ... |
| 03:17.35 | cladhaire | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/8a1b97a98559d1afb349898230c83e82.png |
| 03:17.53 | NavrasUS | heh, yeah |
| 03:17.56 | NavrasUS | the new types of bots |
| 03:18.05 | Wobwork | cladhaire: hehe |
| 03:18.09 | NavrasUS | have to have you interact with them by accepting group invitation |
| 03:18.13 | Wobwork | I ignore uninvited party requests |
| 03:18.23 | Wobwork | I leave the accept dialog alone |
| 03:18.30 | Wobwork | so they can't reinvite me straight away |
| 03:18.36 | NavrasUS | Accepted auto /who's anyone not on friends list/in guild |
| 03:18.56 | NavrasUS | if it's lev 1 in some other zone. . ./reported |
| 03:19.20 | cladhaire | i accept so i can report. |
| 03:19.23 | Wobwork | I find it highly indicative of the current situation, that you can rightclick report people on their name |
| 03:19.27 | Wobwork | But you can't add them to friends |
| 03:19.32 | NavrasUS | lmao |
| 03:19.41 | NavrasUS | too true |
| 03:20.00 | darchon | Unrealii: ศคฝร ภฬฐล บธภฬผผฟไ? <- did you see this? |
| 03:20.13 | Wobwork | I must be missing a characterset =P |
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| 03:23.34 | Thrae | Hmmmmm, I think I'm braindead. |
| 03:23.47 | Tuller | ckknight: step 1: left justify options |
| 03:24.15 | ckknight | *shrug* okay |
| 03:24.19 | ckknight | I see the reason behind that |
| 03:24.36 | ckknight | reasoning* |
| 03:25.14 | Tuller | step 2: the nested menu thing on the right is really tiny but that's probably my resolution :) |
| 03:25.29 | ckknight | left? |
| 03:25.37 | ckknight | or what do you mean? |
| 03:26.25 | Tuller | yeah left |
| 03:26.25 | *** part/#wowace nogudnik (n=nogudnik@mail.exiter.com) |
| 03:26.34 | Tuller | its kindof difficult to click options |
| 03:27.14 | aestil | tuller, do you do information design for a living? |
| 03:27.14 | Seerah_ | click the plus sign |
| 03:27.18 | Tuller | I don't like how your dropdowns look, are they meant to be combo boxes? |
| 03:27.25 | Tuller | aestil: no, these are just my opinions |
| 03:27.31 | Tuller | Seerah_: they're small |
| 03:27.35 | Seerah_ | yeah... |
| 03:27.48 | aestil | no, tuller, you seem to put a lot of emphasis on config and stuff. |
| 03:28.20 | ckknight | I'm planning on making the + thing be automatically expanded |
| 03:28.39 | ckknight | easier to drill down |
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| 03:29.48 | Tuller | true, or it'll freak out people :) |
| 03:29.55 | Tuller | it'll be easy to test for freak outs at least :) |
| 03:31.07 | Tuller | the color sliders scare me a little :) |
| 03:31.22 | Tuller | but I'm guessing that's to avoid the color picker junk |
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| 03:33.54 | ckknight | yea |
| 03:34.27 | Tuller | hrm a stupidly simple thing, make the gripper for resizing the frame stand out more :) |
| 03:34.40 | Tuller | maybe blue to match the title frame? :) |
| 03:35.02 | Seerah_ | or white... I can see it fine, but I know it got put there |
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| 03:35.28 | Seerah_ | also, not sure if you saw this bug yet or not, ck, but "[2007/09/18 22:32:46-895-x1]: LibRockDB-1.0--50954 (LibRockDB-1.0):1286: Cannot access key "texture" in db table. You may want to use db.profile["texture"]" |
| 03:36.14 | ckknight | blah, that's not right |
| 03:36.16 | Tuller | definitely more vertical padding around sliders |
| 03:37.17 | Thrae | local cut = 420; while cut > 0 and text:sub(cut,cut):find(pattern) do cut = cut - 1; end <-- I can't think of a better way to truncate based on a pattern |
| 03:37.26 | Wobwork | actually one thing... are the sliders controllable by mousewheel? |
| 03:37.45 | ckknight | yes, Wobin_ |
| 03:37.48 | ckknight | WobWork* |
| 03:37.56 | Wobwork | cool |
| 03:38.14 | Tuller | yeah |
| 03:38.15 | Wobwork | I need to bug norg into adding that to aucadv |
| 03:38.29 | Tuller | I like the grouping frame style |
| 03:38.30 | Wobwork | cause working with a slider on a stack of 250 is painful |
| 03:38.56 | Tuller | it seems some things are not in boxes |
| 03:39.02 | Tuller | & again, more spacing :) |
| 03:39.30 | Tuller | text boxes don't look editable, but I don't know how to prettily resolve that |
| 03:39.33 | ckknight | WobWork: and there's an editbox to type in |
| 03:40.20 | Tuller | some options seem right up against edges too, more spacing :P |
| 03:41.08 | CIA-22 | 03darchon 07darchon * r49252 10PitBull/: PitBull: create branch |
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| 03:41.22 | Tuller | hrm idea |
| 03:41.30 | ckknight | strippers? |
| 03:41.32 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49253 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - automatically expand the left tree when a line is clicked (not just the +/- button) |
| 03:41.34 | ckknight | darchon: what's the branch for? |
| 03:41.38 | Tuller | make clicking on another addon within the rock config auto collapse other addons |
| 03:41.49 | ckknight | hrm, perhaps |
| 03:41.58 | ckknight | that's quite possible, actually |
| 03:42.01 | ckknight | and probably sane |
| 03:42.05 | darchon | ckknight: support locales |
| 03:42.12 | ckknight | darchon: oh, pimp |
| 03:42.17 | ckknight | I totally had meant to do that |
| 03:42.36 | ckknight | darchon: if you promise not to break anything, I'll let you hack trunk ;-) |
| 03:42.41 | ckknight | :-P |
| 03:42.50 | Seerah_ | o.o |
| 03:42.51 | darchon | ckknight: :) |
| 03:45.17 | Thrae | Bah, I'll just do the weird-ass loop |
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| 03:49.21 | Ellipsis | whew, now that's settled...hi guys :) |
| 03:49.58 | ckknight | so my mom sent me a message that was like "Going to Kincaids!!!!" |
| 03:50.00 | syeren | ckknight, how are you finding the transistion from Ace2 to Rock with your addons suite :P? |
| 03:50.19 | ckknight | so, obviously, I sent back "zomg teh exclamation points!!!111!!!eleven!!!" |
| 03:50.25 | ckknight | and I had to go through and explain it to her |
| 03:50.33 | Ellipsis | ahaha |
| 03:50.41 | ckknight | syeren: it's actually pretty easy to convert, the main issues are through people using faulty updaters |
| 03:51.04 | syeren | Oki :) |
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| 03:51.21 | Ellipsis | my dad just learned about this newfangled "instant messaging" thingy....and spent the next 5 minutes typing without vowels telling me how he was trying to get the hang of "chatspeak" |
| 03:51.25 | syeren | I'm using WAU2 4-5 times a day to keep up-to-date ckknight :P |
| 03:51.33 | ckknight | lol, Ellipsis |
| 03:51.46 | Ellipsis | eventually i just stopped responding to him and he said "g2g" |
| 03:51.51 | Tuller | hrm yes, that's all I can think of right now |
| 03:51.51 | Ellipsis | i was tempted to block him |
| 03:52.06 | Tuller | I'd really suggest using a blizzard style UI but can understand the reason not to |
| 03:52.42 | syeren | Has anyone fished a Mr. Pinchy here? |
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| 03:53.41 | ckknight | Tuller: I'm really not fond of Blizz's UI |
| 03:54.09 | aestil | who is thats here? isn't that why we use mods mostly? eye bleeding problems? |
| 03:54.32 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49254 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - upon opening the trees of an addon, close the trees of all other addons. |
| 03:54.32 | syeren | Blizzard UI as a healer can go to fucking hell. |
| 03:54.34 | syeren | it's useless. |
| 03:54.39 | ckknight | I mean, open up Interface Options |
| 03:54.41 | ckknight | it's a mess. |
| 03:54.49 | Antiarc | ckknight: I accidentally checked "Hide" in name texts in my party pitbull config and can't uncheck it |
| 03:54.50 | CIA-22 | 03speeddymon * r49255 10simpleMinimap/modules/pings.lua: |
| 03:54.50 | CIA-22 | simpleMinimap: |
| 03:54.50 | CIA-22 | - Minimap pings module: added option to show who pinged in default chat frame instead of in a frame inside the minimap.. |
| 03:54.54 | syeren | ckknight, how come I don't have a Rock Icon on my Fubar :P? |
| 03:55.00 | ckknight | Antiarc: odd |
| 03:55.07 | Antiarc | No errors or anything |
| 03:55.08 | ckknight | syeren: because it's not a FuBar plugin yet |
| 03:55.10 | Antiarc | The box just won't uncheck |
| 03:55.12 | syeren | Oki :) |
| 03:55.13 | Tuller | interface options is quite well layed out :) |
| 03:55.15 | syeren | Hurry up and make one! |
| 03:55.32 | aestil | I'd like a bit more space between groupings on the rockconfig pages ckknight. |
| 03:55.37 | Ellipsis | the organization of the interface options seems to be completely arbitrary, imo |
| 03:55.40 | ckknight | oh, Antiarc |
| 03:55.44 | aestil | like between 'sectioned' off groups. they seem close. |
| 03:55.46 | ckknight | Antiarc: choose a position |
| 03:56.07 | ckknight | Tuller: so confusing to find anything you're looking for |
| 03:56.15 | Antiarc | Ick |
| 03:56.17 | Antiarc | That's confusing |
| 03:56.29 | ckknight | ...yea |
| 03:56.32 | ckknight | "my bad" |
| 03:56.39 | ckknight | Antiarc: want to file a jira ticket? |
| 03:56.42 | ckknight | I'll fix it |
| 03:56.44 | Antiarc | sure, URL please? |
| 03:56.47 | syeren | Antiarc, I faced a relatively high rated arena team the other day called "BRB Downloading Omen" |
| 03:56.48 | ckknight | jira.wowace.com |
| 03:56.49 | syeren | :D |
| 03:56.53 | Antiarc | Hahahahahahahah |
| 03:56.58 | ckknight | lol |
| 03:57.13 | Antiarc | That is AWESOME. |
| 03:57.28 | Tuller | find, how about the new sound panel? :) |
| 03:57.33 | Tuller | err fine :) |
| 03:57.38 | ckknight | not horrible |
| 03:57.51 | Tuller | or the old video style |
| 03:58.13 | Tuller | the biggest difference is that there's not a billion options to mess with |
| 03:58.19 | ckknight | hehe, video options has some bugs :-P imho |
| 03:58.22 | ckknight | dinnertime |
| 03:58.25 | Tuller | but it also looks prettier :) |
| 03:58.52 | Tuller | in large part due to it not being auto generated, though |
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| 04:00.06 | Aeyan | Oh, right, I meant to file that ticket about the square layout party frames in Pitbull |
| 04:00.22 | Ironhand | I'm using PitBull unitframes, and I'm not seeing weapon buffs on myself... is this a known bug or am I doing something wrong? |
| 04:01.11 | Antiarc | I'm not seeing a means to add a ticket in Jira |
| 04:01.12 | Sarana | CKKnight: I think I might have traced down the No translations registered that shows up sometimes with FuBar. |
| 04:01.31 | Kirkbeard | ARRRR |
| 04:01.42 | Sarana | Apparently what happens is there is a change of a garbage collection in FuBar_Panel.lua just before the AddTranslations. |
| 04:03.00 | Sarana | Since namespaces has __mode = 'v' in the metatable this means that the currently registered namespace could be lost. |
| 04:03.21 | TNSe | I knew it was the garbage man |
| 04:03.25 | TNSe | it used to be the butler |
| 04:03.27 | TNSe | but these days |
| 04:03.29 | TNSe | its the garbage man |
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| 04:04.05 | Paradox | ok guys :) been working on this UI all night.. let me know your thoughts ;p http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5801/workinprogresslb5.jpg |
| 04:05.06 | Seerah_ | the bottom bar is very compact, Paradox :) |
| 04:05.09 | Seerah_ | I like it |
| 04:05.10 | TNSe | a bit minimalistic |
| 04:05.12 | Kirkbeard | Arrrrrr! Visit me! Arrrrr! http://www.aglassandahalffullproductions.com |
| 04:05.25 | Kirkbeard | TNSe, mnmslm ftw |
| 04:05.29 | Seerah_ | I would personally do something a little different with the unit frames, and perhaps add Aloft |
| 04:05.38 | Kirkbeard | mnmlsm |
| 04:05.43 | Paradox | this is what i've been using for about a year now.. http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5678/wowscrnshot091807214140ke2.jpg |
| 04:05.52 | TNSe | I'm still using standard gui |
| 04:06.10 | TNSe | mostly because I can't be arsed to fix my gui every time blizz does a major patch |
| 04:06.28 | Kirkbeard | Personally I'd tone down the borders, get a bit less contrast down there, but looks nice |
| 04:06.37 | Kirkbeard | TNSe, it's really not that hard |
| 04:06.50 | Paradox | thanks I will do :) servers down right now though |
| 04:06.52 | TNSe | not that hard, but I prefer macros :P |
| 04:07.00 | Kirkbeard | Indeed, by saying you "still" use the standard GUI, it sounds like you don't even know what you're talking about :P |
| 04:08.11 | TNSe | I use x-perl so I can move myself and target of target |
| 04:08.18 | TNSe | and targets target of target |
| 04:08.24 | TNSe | thats all the ui mod I do really |
| 04:08.37 | Paradox | what I don't like is, the YATA candybars don't show if I have no totems down, so there's a big blank space there.. |
| 04:08.41 | TNSe | so new big patch, just get addons and play a few sec later |
| 04:08.49 | Paradox | same for the Omen area, with no fight going on it's empty space.. |
| 04:09.02 | Kirkbeard | TNSe, as I said, it's really not that bad on patch days |
| 04:09.03 | TNSe | you can make omen not go away outside of parties |
| 04:09.19 | TNSe | Kirkbeard, I did use to change my gui |
| 04:09.29 | TNSe | and the reason I stopped is that I got tired of fixing it every 3 months |
| 04:09.29 | Paradox | the bars won't be there though, i've just got it set to show example bars in that shot |
| 04:09.33 | Kirkbeard | :( |
| 04:09.42 | Kirkbeard | Well, if you're happy, that's the main thing :) |
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| 04:09.50 | TNSe | I mostly go by hotkeys anyway |
| 04:09.56 | TNSe | 1-6 with shift/alt modifiers |
| 04:10.50 | Paradox | hmm Kirkbeard, how do you suggest I add some contrast? |
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| 04:11.13 | kaiden | Kirkbeard, haha :P |
| 04:12.01 | Aeyan | I've been on sort of a frame-and-glass sort of trip for a month or so now |
| 04:12.07 | Aeyan | Lots of transparency and blacks |
| 04:12.38 | kaiden | ckknight, dunno if it's been reported but PitBull_Aura\Aura.lua:1197:Usage: GetItemInfo(itemID|"name"|"itemlink") |
| 04:12.54 | Aeyan | Can't really do a 'minimal' style and still have all the info I want |
| 04:13.08 | Aeyan | Since I'm working on a 17" at 1280x1024 =P |
| 04:13.20 | Aeyan | I'll think of something eventually |
| 04:14.19 | Paradox | I have the same problem Aeyan |
| 04:14.50 | Paradox | I like minimalist but I just need to have tons of info to look at all the time |
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| 04:15.32 | Paradox | wish I was a rogue or something, just need 1 bar and you're good to go ;p |
| 04:15.39 | Ellipsis | I was struggling with that too, but over time I've found that everything will fit if I spend enough time figuring out how to do it |
| 04:15.49 | Aeyan | Someone mentioned OnScreen in here |
| 04:15.58 | Aeyan | That made it a bit more tidy |
| 04:16.10 | Kirkbeard | Paradox, I thought I said remove :P |
| 04:16.13 | Aeyan | My minmap flips to an Omen panel now in combat while grouped |
| 04:16.35 | Kirkbeard | Paradox, i.e. darker border, darker spacing .... but that's just me |
| 04:16.40 | Ellipsis | OSH is great, but I almost wish it worked with DogTag or something to make it more customizable |
| 04:17.22 | arrrrrrrt3mis | paradox: keep in mind that kirk also likes http://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/hellokitty-ui.jpg |
| 04:17.35 | Paradox | lol |
| 04:17.48 | Aeyan | I totally have the hello kitty cycircled skin in my addon folder |
| 04:18.20 | Paradox | http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5801/workinprogresslb5.jpg <- I mostly don't like the buttons in between the unit frames, any ideas how to improve those? |
| 04:18.23 | arrrrrrrt3mis | im thinking that i may nee to make a winnie the pooh theme soonish too |
| 04:18.27 | Kirkbeard | LIES |
| 04:18.31 | Kirkbeard | You bastard |
| 04:18.44 | Aeyan | Hmm |
| 04:19.00 | Aeyan | Why are they seperate from the block 'o buttons in the first place? |
| 04:19.06 | Aeyan | That might help with ideas |
| 04:19.37 | ckknight | kaiden: you're out of date |
| 04:19.49 | Paradox | umm |
| 04:20.01 | Paradox | I'm a clicker, basically |
| 04:20.12 | Paradox | easier to press ;p |
| 04:21.38 | Aeyan | Ah |
| 04:21.38 | Aeyan | I'm a binder |
| 04:22.21 | Paradox | maybe I could remove the eepanels from behind the buttons, just have the bars there |
| 04:22.50 | Paradox | was thinking of splitting Omen and shoving in Swstats next to it.. might be a bit cramped though |
| 04:23.18 | Paradox | also is there a way to remove the version info for omen at the bottom of the frame? |
| 04:23.29 | Aeyan | You can hack it |
| 04:23.34 | Aeyan | but there isn't an option, no |
| 04:23.57 | Paradox | yeah I looked hard for it :/ |
| 04:24.38 | Seerah_ | antiarc wants it in there until it's out of beta |
| 04:25.03 | Antiarc | The option is actually there in my working copy ;) |
| 04:25.10 | Antiarc | And should be committed tonight |
| 04:25.22 | Paradox | awe-some |
| 04:25.26 | Aeyan | Excellent |
| 04:25.35 | Aeyan | I can stop chopping your code, hehe |
| 04:25.54 | Paradox | It's handy to have to see if another version is out that you don't have... but I update my acemods about 10 times per day anyway |
| 04:25.57 | Aeyan | Uncleeeeeeeean |
| 04:29.40 | Sarana | And confirmed it was garbage collection. Copied the translation table to a global variable in FuBar-Locale-enUS.lua.... reloaded a huge number of times and no errors. Was seeing about 10~40% occurrence before under heavy memory load. |
| 04:31.01 | Sarana | I wonder if there is such a thing as a lua lint. Might be fun to write. |
| 04:31.17 | ckknight | Sarana: ? |
| 04:31.23 | Sarana | Yes? |
| 04:31.26 | ckknight | how the hell? |
| 04:31.54 | TNSe | some __mode = 'v' he said |
| 04:32.01 | ckknight | gah. |
| 04:32.03 | Sarana | She by the way. |
| 04:32.11 | ckknight | please |
| 04:32.15 | ckknight | girls don't exist on the internet |
| 04:32.19 | TNSe | exactly. |
| 04:32.25 | Sarana | Okay fine use he :) |
| 04:32.38 | Sarana | Doesn't really matter. |
| 04:32.39 | TNSe | and its not like we're gonna try to do you any favors |
| 04:33.51 | ckknight | Sarana: :-P |
| 04:35.06 | ckknight | nah, it's okay |
| 04:35.09 | ckknight | you're just an anomoly |
| 04:35.17 | ckknight | like Cair or Seerah_ |
| 04:35.36 | Ellipsis | oi |
| 04:35.38 | TNSe | anomalies don't exist |
| 04:35.51 | TNSe | if they did they would not be anomalies. |
| 04:35.53 | Ellipsis | So now we're just anomalies, eh? |
| 04:35.55 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49256 10LibRockLocale-1.0/LibRockLocale-1.0.lua: LibRockLocale-1.0 - remove __mode='v' on namespaces, as it seems to mess things up. |
| 04:36.03 | ckknight | Ellipsis: you sure are. |
| 04:36.21 | Ellipsis | I don't think I like that title |
| 04:36.45 | TNSe | lol |
| 04:36.55 | ckknight | lol |
| 04:36.59 | ckknight | what would you prefer? |
| 04:37.01 | Wobwork | anomalous...ellipses, eh? |
| 04:37.03 | ckknight | fairy princess? |
| 04:37.11 | TNSe | "not fucking likely" ? |
| 04:37.12 | ckknight | I mean, cause it's one or the other |
| 04:37.26 | Wobwork | If you're not a fairy princess, you're an anomaly? |
| 04:37.33 | ckknight | righto |
| 04:37.34 | Wobwork | What does that make you, ck? =) |
| 04:37.38 | ckknight | on the internet, at least |
| 04:37.41 | ckknight | if you're a girl |
| 04:37.43 | ckknight | WobWork: male |
| 04:37.50 | Wobwork | clearly an anomaly =P |
| 04:37.59 | Sarana | I like anomaly... It's so Star Trekky sounded. |
| 04:38.09 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49257 10LibRockComm-1.0/LibRockComm-1.0.lua: LibRockComm-1.0 - bugfixing |
| 04:38.13 | Sarana | sounding even |
| 04:38.23 | ckknight | beam me up et al |
| 04:38.24 | Ellipsis | fairy princess will do |
| 04:38.32 | Ellipsis | although I'd prefer to be addressed as "your highness" |
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| 04:39.15 | ckknight | as a response, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-azqXygCzO8 |
| 04:39.27 | TNSe | lol |
| 04:39.30 | TNSe | I Hate it |
| 04:39.33 | TNSe | when you walk into an area |
| 04:39.40 | TNSe | you are sure there should be mobs there |
| 04:39.42 | TNSe | but you see nothing |
| 04:39.51 | TNSe | and suddenly you have a shitload of them on you :P |
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| 04:40.22 | ckknight | lol |
| 04:41.13 | Ellipsis | I'm officially afraid of clicking youtube links on IRC now |
| 04:41.37 | ckknight | c'mon, it's Lazy Town |
| 04:41.52 | Ellipsis | my point exactly :P |
| 04:42.01 | Arrowmaster | in a channel on another network we have a bot that everytime a youtube link is posted it gets the title and says it in irc |
| 04:42.17 | Ellipsis | that would be pretty handy |
| 04:42.20 | ckknight | I prefer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moBnvpvL47Q though |
| 04:42.40 | Wobwork | Is that the german version? |
| 04:42.46 | Wobwork | Cause I like the german version better |
| 04:43.21 | liquidzoo | lazy town scares me |
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| 04:45.28 | Ellipsis | was he just...brushing his teeth? |
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| 04:46.01 | Ellipsis | I don't think I "get" LazyTown :/ |
| 04:46.27 | Wobwork | well |
| 04:46.31 | Wobwork | he doesn't want to get scurvy |
| 04:46.39 | Wobwork | so good oral hygiene helps |
| 04:46.59 | Ellipsis | riiiiiight |
| 04:47.55 | kaiden | ckknight, i may be out of date but even after updating i'm still getting that same area |
| 04:47.57 | kaiden | ermm.. error |
| 04:48.01 | kaiden | with PitBull_Aura |
| 04:48.10 | CIA-22 | 03gamefaq * r49258 10FuBar_QuestsFu/Details/deDE.lua: |
| 04:48.10 | CIA-22 | FuBar_QuestsFu: |
| 04:48.10 | CIA-22 | - Updated deDE and changed Format to UTF-8 |
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| 05:15.36 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49259 10PitBull/Aura/Aura.lua: PitBull_Aura - bugfix |
| 05:15.47 | ckknight | kaiden: there we go |
| 05:16.11 | ckknight | Ellipsis: it's a kid's show, teaches good values |
| 05:16.17 | ckknight | including brushing one's teeth |
| 05:16.19 | kaiden | ckknight :) |
| 05:16.20 | kaiden | thanks1 |
| 05:16.36 | mykx | do you actually have time to play ? seems you're constantly updating all these addons ;p |
| 05:16.44 | Ellipsis | riiiight |
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| 05:17.18 | Ellipsis | ckknight, while I have your attention, I had one quick question/suggestion for FuBar |
| 05:17.36 | Ellipsis | I know you have a lot on your plate right now, but if you're willing to look into it later on I'll put it up on jira |
| 05:19.18 | ckknight | well, ask away |
| 05:19.26 | ckknight | mykx: no, I don't. my highest is lvl 52. |
| 05:19.26 | Ellipsis | basically I was hoping that you could make LibJostle less required (i.e. check if it exists, disable the auto-adjust frames option if not) so that FuBar doesn't completely break without it... would that be possible in the future? |
| 05:19.41 | ckknight | sure, add it to jira |
| 05:19.49 | Ellipsis | awesome, thanks |
| 05:19.55 | kaiden | Jira.. it's made a french poodle poop |
| 05:19.57 | kaiden | yay! |
| 05:19.58 | Keias | What class/race is your 52 ckknight? |
| 05:20.06 | ckknight | Female Draenei Pally |
| 05:20.17 | Keias | Awesome |
| 05:20.21 | kaiden | omg.. ck.. you got above 36?! |
| 05:20.24 | Keias | Female draenei's are great |
| 05:20.27 | kaiden | *feints* |
| 05:21.43 | Gngsk | like, tony the tiger great |
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| 05:48.08 | Diao | !ar 553 |
| 05:48.08 | ThraeBot | Diao: Arena rating from 553 points is, 2v2: 1822, 3v3: 1750, 5v5: 1647 |
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| 05:57.06 | orionshock | hey all |
| 05:57.46 | ckknight | hey orionshock |
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| 05:58.40 | orionshock | so ckknight are you gona give the masses back their dewdrop? :D |
| 05:59.40 | ckknight | prolly not |
| 05:59.46 | orionshock | :D |
| 06:00.00 | orionshock | oh btw - cart is missing AceOO from it's externals |
| 06:00.16 | ckknight | what I will do is improve LibRockConfig-1.0 |
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| 06:03.14 | break19 | ckknight: I'm sure you already know.. rockconfig is.. a bit unpolished.. (of course, coming from an OS X user... heh) |
| 06:03.25 | sylvanaar | how are things everyone? |
| 06:03.29 | Sarana | Aynone around that could move a thread? Now that there is an updaters forum it would be nice if my addonpkg post was there. http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=3198.0 |
| 06:03.36 | Antiarc | wtb dropdown menus ;_; |
| 06:03.49 | Fisker- | oh hi |
| 06:04.06 | break19 | good syl.. figured out why I could get online with IRC and email etc, but 90% of my websites were redirecting to my ISP's setup site... user error as usual.. |
| 06:04.08 | ckknight | break19: I use OS X too |
| 06:04.15 | Fisker- | btw did kenco change something to resetting klhtm threat? |
| 06:04.17 | ckknight | so instead of just bitching, why not offer real suggestions? |
| 06:04.28 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 06:04.34 | nevcairiel | because bitching is more fun, and drives you nuts :) |
| 06:04.45 | Fisker- | there was some dude using KTM, and on some Omens he were low on aggro because he had reset but on mine and others he was high on threat |
| 06:04.52 | Sarana | It would be nice if addons hooked into the real apple menu bar. I don't like menus in the middle of the screen. ;) |
| 06:04.59 | break19 | my router had decided to cache the DNS entries.. and stores the cache in NVRAM. lol |
| 06:05.01 | nevcairiel | KTM and omen interop is broken again |
| 06:05.06 | Fisker- | .. |
| 06:05.22 | Fisker- | kenco's doing? |
| 06:05.50 | nevcairiel | i suppose |
| 06:05.51 | break19 | so, uhm.. my router was telling me that EVERY website was the IP addy for mediacom's setup servers.. oops.. *kicks router, problem solved* |
| 06:05.54 | nevcairiel | since omen didnt change |
| 06:06.07 | Fisker- | man |
| 06:06.21 | Fisker- | i think it's time i internet hate machine my guild into using Omen |
| 06:07.25 | sag_ich_nicht | lol. |
| 06:07.48 | break19 | ckknight: considering I'm no UI expert, I'm just saying, it feels.. clunky.. but then, so does waterfall/niagara.. the drop-down menu (ie fubar's "enabled modules" section) most especially.. seems a better way to handle those would be a list with checkboxes. |
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| 06:07.59 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49260 10Cartographer/ (embeds.xml libs/): Cartographer - add AceOO-2.0 and AceEvent-2.0 since Roster-2.1 needs em. |
| 06:08.13 | break19 | but other than that change, I'm not really sure of ways to "polish" it up more.. |
| 06:08.43 | NavrasUS | ckknight: there a way to stop the left hand column listing from reseting to the top every time a change is made in the right frame? |
| 06:08.47 | ckknight | ding, 53 |
| 06:08.55 | ckknight | NavrasUS: that is a bug... |
| 06:08.58 | sag_ich_nicht | that's great. |
| 06:09.01 | break19 | when ya consider that the menu closes itself when you've clicked 1 module.. and you want to disable/enable like.. 10 modules.. thats a pain in the ass. heh |
| 06:09.05 | sag_ich_nicht | do you have a 70 char, ckknight? :P |
| 06:09.19 | ckknight | break19: that's a fucking bug, get over it, it'll be fixed soon |
| 06:09.30 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: sure don't, 53 is my highest |
| 06:09.45 | NavrasUS | k thanks |
| 06:09.45 | Arrowmaster | didnt you say 52 earlyer |
| 06:09.52 | ckknight | yes, and I just dinged |
| 06:09.56 | ckknight | thus me saying "ding, 53" |
| 06:09.58 | orionshock | RFTM doesn't seem to apply RTFJBRS |
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| 06:10.07 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 06:10.08 | orionshock | *but RTFJBRS does |
| 06:10.08 | ckknight | JBRS? |
| 06:10.13 | Arrowmaster | didnt notice that |
| 06:10.18 | Antiarc | Jira Bug Reports |
| 06:10.20 | Antiarc | Is my guess |
| 06:10.21 | Sarana | Guessing Jira Bug Reports. |
| 06:10.22 | orionshock | Jira Bug Report Section |
| 06:10.29 | break19 | im not complainin.. I'm givin my opinion of it |
| 06:10.47 | sag_ich_nicht | [08:09] <@ckknight> yes, and I just dinged <--yeah i figured that. |
| 06:11.06 | sag_ich_nicht | get your ass to 58 at least :P |
| 06:11.11 | Arrowmaster | 55 |
| 06:11.19 | Arrowmaster | then we can get antiarc to take him to MC |
| 06:11.24 | break19 | but since my wow account will be passing into the abyss once this billing cycle is over, it doesnt really matter I reckon |
| 06:11.36 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: I'm trying |
| 06:11.40 | CIA-22 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r538 10/trunk/ControlFreak/ (Config.lua ControlFreak.lua): |
| 06:11.41 | ckknight | lol, MC? |
| 06:11.42 | CIA-22 | tekkub-wow: ControlFreak |
| 06:11.44 | CIA-22 | tekkub-wow: - Removed reset profile button, will soon be adding predefined profiles for each class/spell |
| 06:11.46 | CIA-22 | tekkub-wow: - Added creature type config |
| 06:11.48 | CIA-22 | tekkub-wow: - Added pretty group boxes to config panel |
| 06:11.50 | CIA-22 | tekkub-wow: - Fixed target type checks to use the DB |
| 06:11.52 | CIA-22 | tekkub-wow: - Fixed combat warning text not hiding if combat ends while the config is open |
| 06:12.06 | Arrowmaster | yeah get antiarc to take you to MC while he screams "CLEANSE FASTER!" over vent |
| 06:12.09 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: well, they can't take you directly to naxx, now can they? |
| 06:12.24 | sag_ich_nicht | >:P |
| 06:13.01 | break19 | well.. either way, my shiny new 10M connection is just itching to be USED!@ |
| 06:13.31 | break19 | lol |
| 06:13.47 | break19 | mmm, c4m |
| 06:14.08 | orionshock | ck did you seriously add that last part to LibRockComms? |
| 06:14.36 | ckknight | the orwellian talent surveillance? |
| 06:14.39 | ckknight | yea |
| 06:14.46 | orionshock | ya |
| 06:14.46 | orionshock | LOL |
| 06:14.59 | orionshock | any particular reason? |
| 06:15.00 | ckknight | and I added a DogTag |
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| 06:15.09 | ckknight | because warriors who say they're prot piss me off |
| 06:15.11 | nevcairiel | i would boykot rock just for that feature |
| 06:15.13 | ckknight | fucking pugs |
| 06:15.18 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight armory |
| 06:15.19 | ckknight | nevcairiel: knock yourself out. |
| 06:15.21 | sag_ich_nicht | is your friend |
| 06:15.22 | sag_ich_nicht | hug it |
| 06:15.26 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: meh, I don't feel like alt-tabbing |
| 06:15.37 | sag_ich_nicht | so what you are saying is that your pc sucks |
| 06:15.53 | ckknight | no, it's just too much effort for something that should be in game by default |
| 06:15.58 | sag_ich_nicht | (or mac, for that matter) |
| 06:17.20 | orionshock | so cow tip now uses rock comms? :P |
| 06:17.39 | ckknight | actually not sure CowTip includes LibRockComm-1.0 |
| 06:17.40 | sylvanaar | yeah, seriously - in-game armory if they are going to have it |
| 06:18.13 | ckknight | here's another srsly thing: if you were irl a shadow priest, wouldn't you look different from a holy priest? |
| 06:18.27 | ckknight | I mean, to such a point where people could tell? |
| 06:18.34 | orionshock | only in and out of shadow form really |
| 06:18.58 | ckknight | no, I mean, if WoW were somehow real, wouldn't a shadow priest look different than a holy priest? |
| 06:18.59 | nevcairiel | there are no such classes irl :P |
| 06:19.05 | Sarana | I just wish bears didn't all look the same. |
| 06:19.10 | ckknight | same. |
| 06:19.20 | orionshock | nevcairiel: suspend reality some and loosen up :P |
| 06:19.36 | nevcairiel | and yes, shadow priests look different |
| 06:19.37 | ckknight | people should be able to tell someone's general talent tree by looking at them, i.e. inspecting them |
| 06:19.51 | ckknight | but Blizz doesn't allow an API for checking that |
| 06:19.52 | ckknight | which is lame |
| 06:20.18 | Aeyan | My shadow priest does actually look kind of shadowy |
| 06:20.20 | mykx | I thought an arena addon could do that you, guess not |
| 06:20.24 | Aeyan | In a spikey skull way |
| 06:20.32 | Aeyan | But then, my gear ain't the best either |
| 06:20.34 | ckknight | mykx: tattle does it to the other team |
| 06:20.43 | nevcairiel | so you force that upon everyone, probably wihtout their knowledge, hey fun :P |
| 06:20.48 | mykx | ah ok |
| 06:20.58 | sylvanaar | armory was forced on everyone |
| 06:21.00 | ckknight | nevcairiel: you gonna boycott Ace2 for allowing addon version spying? |
| 06:21.01 | Sarana | Just patch your locale copy to return 0/0/0 |
| 06:21.17 | Fisker- | man those 12 mail attachments are going to be cool |
| 06:21.18 | ckknight | or boycott armory |
| 06:21.19 | Arrowmaster | addon version spying ftw |
| 06:21.20 | nevcairiel | ckknight: i thought about it, but i can live with that :P |
| 06:21.21 | ckknight | since it's just an alt-tab away, man! |
| 06:21.32 | ckknight | someone could be spying on your talents if they alt-tab! |
| 06:21.39 | ckknight | this is just faster and ingame |
| 06:21.43 | ckknight | that's the only difference |
| 06:22.17 | nevcairiel | knock yourself out. good that i dont share that belief |
| 06:22.19 | ckknight | really, addon version spying is a far bigger invasion of privacy. But from what I've found, people are quite willing to have that |
| 06:23.08 | ckknight | I would never have something to check on your inventory or your money or be able to run remote code, as that could cause serious issues |
| 06:23.17 | ckknight | but the data is available through armory anyway |
| 06:23.22 | ckknight | so I really don't see the big whoop |
| 06:23.22 | Fisker- | hehe |
| 06:23.25 | nevcairiel | if you would benefit from it, you would add it :P |
| 06:23.38 | Sarana | Some of the raid addons already check inventory. |
| 06:23.45 | Fisker- | it was awesome back in the day when chinese gold farmers invited you to group and asked you write /split <number> |
| 06:23.47 | Fisker- | :D |
| 06:24.02 | ckknight | Fisker-: lol |
| 06:24.21 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.blizzard.com/jobopp/programmer-lead-engine.shtml mhm my the hell do they need a new engine lead? |
| 06:24.23 | ckknight | Sarana: they sure do, but that's on a guild-by-guild basis |
| 06:24.29 | sag_ich_nicht | s/my/why/ |
| 06:24.33 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: SC2 or a new game? |
| 06:24.43 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: no, it states WoW specificially. |
| 06:24.45 | nevcairiel | The World of Warcraft team is looking for an individual to help lead the engine programming team. |
| 06:24.48 | Sarana | I still remember looting -1 copper once.... |
| 06:24.51 | ckknight | oh, *shrug* |
| 06:24.52 | Fisker- | can only be a good thing i guess |
| 06:25.03 | Sarana | I really really wish I had 0 coins at the time if only to see what would happen. |
| 06:25.04 | ckknight | I had to fill out this programming test today, for a job app |
| 06:25.06 | nevcairiel | its only for the 3d engine |
| 06:25.08 | Fisker- | engine could use an overhaul |
| 06:25.21 | ckknight | it was kinda lame, all in all |
| 06:25.35 | ckknight | "create a stack class", "do a binary sort" |
| 06:25.46 | sag_ich_nicht | it's already getting one in WotLK Fisker-, if you take the hints |
| 06:25.54 | Fisker- | yeah sag_ich_nicht |
| 06:26.11 | Fisker- | i want it faster |
| 06:26.14 | Fisker- | bigger, better, etc. |
| 06:26.22 | Fisker- | and for gods sake fix the damn login menu bug |
| 06:26.24 | sag_ich_nicht | (to quote[don't quote me on this, been a bit since i heard it]: "we wrote an all new shader system for the cliffs") |
| 06:26.31 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker- what bug? |
| 06:26.37 | Pawwot | woohoo |
| 06:26.39 | Pawwot | new cliffs |
| 06:26.55 | Fisker- | The login screen takes up 1 cpu when just idling |
| 06:27.01 | sag_ich_nicht | wow. |
| 06:27.03 | Fisker- | it's not until you login you actually drop down to normal levels |
| 06:28.54 | sag_ich_nicht | how many times has this been reported already? |
| 06:29.05 | sag_ich_nicht | (and has it been acknowledged yet?) |
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| 06:29.45 | Fisker- | i wrote about it on the tech forums and it was a known issue |
| 06:29.48 | Fisker- | and he gave me some workaround |
| 06:29.51 | sag_ich_nicht | *sigh* |
| 06:29.56 | Fisker- | only lowered it about half, but still a lot |
| 06:29.57 | sag_ich_nicht | gieb workaround |
| 06:29.58 | nevcairiel | workaround "login" |
| 06:30.05 | ckknight | oh, btw, so people know, if you get a talent query in arena from anyone not in your group, it won't work, that's to prevent the enemy from cheating |
| 06:30.07 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker- tell us |
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| 06:30.14 | Fisker- | it was some obscure engine setting you had to put in your config |
| 06:30.22 | sag_ich_nicht | gieb gieb gieb |
| 06:30.28 | nevcairiel | whats the point? |
| 06:30.29 | Fisker- | NO U |
| 06:30.30 | nevcairiel | just login |
| 06:30.35 | Fisker- | i'll look for it :( |
| 06:30.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker- give it to meeeee |
| 06:30.38 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 06:30.50 | nevcairiel | i see the login screen for like a few seconds =P |
| 06:30.53 | Fisker- | nevcairiel i don't login |
| 06:31.12 | sag_ich_nicht | [08:30] <@ckknight> oh, btw, so people know, if you get a talent query in arena from anyone not in your group, it won't work, that's to prevent the enemy from cheating <--not cheating since the armory is public anyway |
| 06:31.19 | ckknight | well, yes. |
| 06:31.19 | Fisker- | because i'm always banned |
| 06:31.27 | ckknight | but armory you'd have to alt-tab, etc. |
| 06:31.30 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: then why do you start the client? |
| 06:31.31 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 06:31.32 | ckknight | which is not cool in arena |
| 06:31.33 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't |
| 06:31.37 | sag_ich_nicht | dopies arena info. |
| 06:31.40 | ckknight | or have tattle |
| 06:31.44 | sag_ich_nicht | tattle sucks |
| 06:31.46 | sag_ich_nicht | (period) |
| 06:31.50 | Fisker- | nevcairiel i'm always banned! |
| 06:31.50 | ckknight | whatever |
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| 06:31.59 | sag_ich_nicht | better UI than dopie's, but way worse data miner. |
| 06:31.59 | Fisker- | we were up against an arena team who hid itself |
| 06:32.17 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: but there is no point in starting the game when you know that you are banned! :P |
| 06:32.21 | Fisker- | then we found a name and looked it up on the armory |
| 06:32.31 | Fisker- | and it was 3 warlocks :( |
| 06:32.35 | Fisker- | so my mom got scared |
| 06:32.39 | nevcairiel | how can warlocks hide? |
| 06:32.42 | sag_ich_nicht | ~facepalm |
| 06:32.43 | purl | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 06:32.55 | Fisker- | they were hiding in the start area in lordaeron arena |
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| 06:33.04 | Fisker- | we can't go down there, that's bat country |
| 06:33.14 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker- sssh |
| 06:33.19 | sag_ich_nicht | your overdoing it. |
| 06:33.23 | Fisker- | atleast if you want to take a million damage with several aoe and los opportunities |
| 06:33.32 | sag_ich_nicht | you will lead them to the secret. |
| 06:33.35 | Fisker- | i'm overdoing your mom |
| 06:33.41 | sag_ich_nicht | o rly |
| 06:33.46 | sag_ich_nicht | well if she's happy with that |
| 06:33.48 | Fisker- | ya rly |
| 06:33.52 | sag_ich_nicht | i guess that's okay |
| 06:35.04 | Pheredhel | hi |
| 06:36.13 | Fisker- | hahaha |
| 06:36.36 | Fisker- | then i was on my to halaa for disenchanting the vendor items there |
| 06:37.08 | Fisker- | then someone whispers me "Is halaa horde controlled?", and i whisper him back "Well it is if you're not out after disenchanting all the vendor stuff", and he whispers me back, "Damn you too?" |
| 06:37.09 | Fisker- | :P |
| 06:37.56 | Fisker- | LAUGH OR DIE |
| 06:38.56 | mykx | haha funny story fisker. there you go. |
| 06:39.00 | Fisker- | thanks |
| 06:39.56 | Fisker- | i'm gonna clap excitedly for myself and play TF2 |
| 06:40.00 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49261 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - save state of the pullout, so that if a refresh happens, properly open it again. |
| 06:40.07 | mykx | http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8685/combatej5.jpg damn that ui is great but I think the person makes a new one every day so probably wont be released ;p |
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| 06:46.30 | orionshock | ck |
| 06:46.40 | Thrae | Priest: "So, I gave you 500 gold upfront to make me the best pants for my spec." Tailor: "Yes." Priest: "And I told you my spec is Holy." Tailor: "Yes." Priest: "You do understand the difference, right?" Tailor: "Difference?" Priest: "Holy. H-O-L-Y. Holey. H-O-L-E-Y. You gave me a pair of [Holey Pants]!!!" Tailor: "What wrong I do?! I make you ask!" Priest: "Holy, not Holey!!" Tailor: "I hear same word!! I no understand!" Priest: |
| 06:46.48 | ckknight | orio |
| 06:46.52 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49262 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - align labels to the left. We'll see how people react to it. |
| 06:47.04 | sag_ich_nicht | I no understand!" Priest: |
| 06:47.08 | sag_ich_nicht | you got cut off there Thrae |
| 06:47.09 | orionshock | strata options on windows: when you open up the cow tip edit window for lines it's behind the config window |
| 06:47.13 | Thrae | sag_ich_nicht: Dammit |
| 06:47.35 | Thrae | Oh well, joke is the same anyway |
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| 06:48.01 | ckknight | finish the joke! |
| 06:48.11 | ckknight | orionshock: *sigh* yea |
| 06:48.12 | Thrae | Priest: "...I'm going to melt your face now." |
| 06:48.36 | orionshock | i wish wow had an auto strata option on click |
| 06:48.55 | orionshock | click on one frame and it moves to top |
| 06:49.10 | ckknight | yea... |
| 06:49.12 | orionshock | click on another and the first moves back and the 2nd moves top |
| 06:49.56 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49263 10CowTip/Text/Text.lua: CowTip_Text - make line edit dialog a higher frame strata. |
| 06:50.02 | orionshock | btw the tallent spec option .. whats it show up as for addon message prefix? |
| 06:50.09 | Xinhuan | doesn't it already do that if topleel=true? |
| 06:50.15 | Xinhuan | and if they are on the same strata |
| 06:50.26 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49264 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - bugfix |
| 06:51.23 | ckknight | orionshock: TAL |
| 06:51.25 | nevcairiel | i can click the pvp zone object frame, and it moves ontop of my targettarget, which covers it |
| 06:51.55 | Xinhuan | doesn't that mean the unit frame and the pvp zone objective frame are on the same strata? |
| 06:52.00 | Paradox | anyone happen to know how to show debuff/buff timers with pitbull? |
| 06:52.17 | cryogen | general options, auras |
| 06:52.26 | cryogen | stealth is/was bugged though |
| 06:52.36 | cryogen | ckknight: has that been reported/fixed? |
| 06:52.55 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49265 10CowTip/Text/Text.lua: CowTip_Text - change the strata of the Okay button as well |
| 06:52.59 | ckknight | cryogen: um, what? |
| 06:53.16 | cryogen | when i stealth, and have buff timers enabled, the timer on stealth counts backwards |
| 06:53.24 | ckknight | that's funky |
| 06:53.28 | ckknight | I dunno |
| 06:53.30 | cryogen | it's kinda cool |
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| 06:53.46 | Xinhuan | counts backwards? |
| 06:53.49 | cryogen | ya |
| 06:53.54 | cryogen | from 0 :) |
| 06:53.54 | CIA-22 | 03pb_ee1 * r49266 10SharedMediaAdditionalFonts/ (Core.lua fonts/MystikOrbs.ttf): SharedMediaAdditionalFonts: Adding MystikOrbs. |
| 06:53.54 | Xinhuan | you mean from -6 to 0? |
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| 06:53.55 | Paradox | global > aura > cooldown text enabled |
| 06:53.59 | Paradox | but i'm not getting any |
| 06:54.04 | cryogen | no |
| 06:54.08 | nevcairiel | from 0 to 10? |
| 06:54.11 | nevcairiel | thats funky :P |
| 06:54.12 | cryogen | from 0 to -howeverlongyou'reinstealth |
| 06:54.24 | Pawwot | -982347 and still counting... |
| 06:54.30 | cryogen | i went afk in stealth and came back to something like -600 |
| 06:54.31 | nevcairiel | ah lol |
| 06:54.36 | Xinhuan | oh lol |
| 06:54.58 | Paradox | oh doesn't seem to work for totems |
| 06:55.05 | orionshock | don't use player auras .. and ya that's odd cryogen |
| 06:56.09 | ckknight | cya all later |
| 06:57.58 | Paradox | cryogen: is there a horizontal spacing option for buffs/debuffs, or a way to get the cooldown text below the icon instead of right over it? |
| 06:58.16 | cryogen | that much i do not know |
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| 06:58.20 | cryogen | i doubt it |
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| 06:59.00 | Paradox | ok |
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| 07:18.31 | mark4_ | does anyone here use mobinfo-2 ? |
| 07:18.41 | mark4_ | is there an alternative to it that "Actually WORKS?" |
| 07:19.32 | Punkie` | mobhealth3? |
| 07:19.41 | mark4_ | im counting kills |
| 07:20.04 | mark4_ | mobinfo doesnt count right all the time |
| 07:20.29 | mark4_ | sometimes it doesnt count at all |
| 07:20.37 | mark4_ | kill 40 mobs. you have killed zero |
| 07:20.47 | Punkie` | why do you want to count that btw? |
| 07:20.54 | CIA-22 | 03adelea * r49267 10GridStatusAFK/ (. GridStatusAFK.lua GridStatusAFK.toc): GridStatusAFK: Initial checkin of Pasus Nauran's code |
| 07:21.14 | Xinhuan | http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22445434-2,00.html lol at this story |
| 07:21.16 | mark4_ | because i want to know how many kills it takes of a given mob to get the given drop im after |
| 07:21.35 | liquidzoo | didn't there used to be a way to adjust the width of a fubar panel? |
| 07:21.56 | Antiarc | mark4_: Try wowhead? |
| 07:22.00 | Punkie` | try http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4169-KillCounter.html? |
| 07:22.05 | mark4_ | wowhead? |
| 07:22.13 | Punkie` | liquidzoo: yes, move your mouse to the edge of the bar and a sword will appear |
| 07:22.32 | liquidzoo | got it, thanks |
| 07:22.51 | Antiarc | http://wowhead.com |
| 07:23.36 | mark4_ | i like mobinfo, it has all the info i want, like whats been looted from a mob and how much hp it has and how many times its been killed. problem is it counts my kills only about 20% of the time |
| 07:29.08 | Nickenyfiken | mark4_: Sure it's not counting times looted? |
| 07:30.49 | mark4_ | posative. i kill a mob. it stays at zero. after 4 or 5 kills it goes to 1 |
| 07:30.53 | mark4_ | after about 40 kills im on 3 |
| 07:31.00 | mark4_ | not always |
| 07:31.13 | mark4_ | some mobs it counts reliably |
| 07:33.33 | liquidzoo | hrm...some of my addon settings aren't saving...I wonder why |
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| 07:35.18 | Pkekyo|sch | g'morning all |
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| 07:37.06 | Pkekyo|sch | ~seen pkekyo |
| 07:37.09 | purl | pkekyo <i=bsm89mod@084202183120.customer.alfanett.no> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 11h 13m 50s ago, saying: 'does +crit from scopes give meelee +crit or only ranged +crit?'. |
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| 07:37.23 | Paradox | http://deep.phpwebhosting.com/~paradox/upload/wip.PNG complete :D(?) |
| 07:38.03 | liquidzoo | nice |
| 07:38.09 | Pkekyo|sch | Paradox: using Aloft? |
| 07:38.13 | Paradox | yea |
| 07:38.54 | Pkekyo|sch | your Aloft is ugly :< |
| 07:39.04 | orionshock | ahh... can someone tell me where the step scale is for automations' rez module? it's all fubar'ed |
| 07:39.06 | Paradox | *shrug* I just picked one of the presets |
| 07:39.55 | Pkekyo|sch | Paradox: make one yourself, looks alot better :) |
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| 07:40.45 | Paradox | I wanna rid the minimap of that hateful 'N' :( |
| 07:41.12 | Pkekyo|sch | Paradox: think Squeenix will let you do that |
| 07:41.30 | orionshock | Paradox: the N |
| 07:41.36 | orionshock | the one part of the default UI? |
| 07:41.59 | Pkekyo|sch | orionshock: probably? |
| 07:42.05 | liquidzoo | simpleMiniMap will do that |
| 07:42.24 | Paradox | i'm using simple |
| 07:42.28 | Pkekyo|sch | Paradox: what's your current minimap addon? |
| 07:42.37 | Pkekyo|sch | try Squeenix then :) |
| 07:42.49 | Paradox | I used to use squeenix which did (most of the time) get rid of the default ui's "N", but it came back at random times.. |
| 07:43.01 | Pkekyo|sch | never had that problem |
| 07:43.18 | Pkekyo|sch | gotta bail...laters! |
| 07:43.22 | Paradox | squeenix doesn't have the other nice simpleminimap features either like auto zoom out, that ping-thing, etc |
| 07:43.29 | Paradox | cya :) |
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| 07:43.58 | ramoz | oo |
| 07:44.05 | ramoz | looks like i can finally drop ct_mailmod |
| 07:44.12 | orionshock | smm dosn't hide the N |
| 07:44.20 | liquidzoo | I noticed that |
| 07:44.22 | Paradox | ramoz: yes? :D |
| 07:44.27 | liquidzoo | after I said it, I tried |
| 07:44.32 | Paradox | I use ct-mail too, got a better alternative? |
| 07:44.43 | liquidzoo | I'm curious too |
| 07:44.51 | ramoz | Paradox: no, but you get 12 slots in the default mail client in 2.3 :P |
| 07:44.53 | liquidzoo | that's the only part of CT I use on all of my toons |
| 07:45.01 | liquidzoo | nice |
| 07:45.05 | ramoz | and also, ct_mailmod isnt so bad |
| 07:45.10 | Paradox | there's a "fix" for hiding the "N" in simple'minimap posted on the forum |
| 07:45.14 | ramoz | Mail API Changes |
| 07:45.15 | ramoz | When composing mail, there are now "slots", that you can drag items into (1 is the first slot, 2 is the second slot, etc). Once the mail arrives, you use an "index" to refer to each attachment. |
| 07:45.16 | Paradox | I tried it, but it doesn't stick |
| 07:45.59 | orionshock | whats the macro to get the frame under your mouse - the GetMouseFocus() only works if the frame is interactable. |
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| 07:46.58 | rob` | oh, hooray, blizzard is adding an option by which auctioneer can pull down ALL auctions instead of fifty at a go. |
| 07:47.10 | mark4_ | is there any way OTHER than forums to contact the author of mobinfo-2? |
| 07:47.24 | orionshock | what for? |
| 07:47.25 | mark4_ | this is seriolusly annoying |
| 07:47.30 | mark4_ | to get this bug fixed |
| 07:47.38 | orionshock | MI3 |
| 07:47.40 | orionshock | :P |
| 07:47.41 | rob` | do you want to give him money? |
| 07:47.49 | rob` | otherwise, I'm sure he'd prefer sleep. |
| 07:48.02 | mark4_ | mi3 is out? |
| 07:48.07 | orionshock | ace |
| 07:48.22 | orionshock | wait |
| 07:48.26 | orionshock | that's MH3 |
| 07:48.30 | ZealotOnAStick | MobHEALTH3 |
| 07:48.49 | orionshock | sorry im trying to run Shadow lab and IRC at the same time |
| 07:48.53 | ZealotOnAStick | MI2 is non-ace and isn't on the svn to my knowledge. |
| 07:48.53 | mark4_ | does that count the number of times i kill a mob. show what items have dropped from that mob |
| 07:48.59 | mark4_ | show what mobs drop what items |
| 07:49.01 | mark4_ | etc etc etc |
| 07:49.02 | Paradox | wow, rob` |
| 07:49.03 | ZealotOnAStick | No. |
| 07:49.09 | Paradox | does this mean instant auctioneer scanning? |
| 07:49.13 | Paradox | no more waiting 15mins? |
| 07:49.16 | ZealotOnAStick | But there's some Ace2 mod that does track that sort of thing. |
| 07:49.21 | rob` | Probably not instant, but it'll certainly cut it down to a couple. |
| 07:49.29 | rob` | I'm pretty stoked. |
| 07:49.34 | Paradox | awesome, sounds great either way |
| 07:49.39 | rob` | there's a link to the thread on worldofraids.com. |
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| 07:52.27 | mark4_ | this sux. |
| 07:53.45 | rob` | because you can't get some addon writer to fix YOUR bug, RIGHT now? |
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| 07:53.51 | rob` | someone who doesn't get paid? |
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| 07:54.11 | orionshock | now now be nice |
| 07:54.43 | orionshock | play the money card on flamers - and he's dosn't appear to be that angry atm.. |
| 07:55.09 | mark4__ | who? |
| 07:55.10 | mark4__ | me? |
| 07:55.13 | rob` | fair enough. I just get kinda miffed at people with a sense of entitlement about free stuff. |
| 07:55.27 | orionshock | :D |
| 07:56.01 | mykx | lol @ "who? me?" :D |
| 07:58.17 | Recluse | i just fix the code in my personal copy and keep merging with new versions until the author decides to fix/improve his stuff XD |
| 07:58.20 | mark4__ | i write free software. nobody pays me for it. im not asking for free service but it still sucks that this doesnt work |
| 07:58.51 | mark4__ | i dont code lua and im not about to take the time to learn it, i dont have time to do that or interest in lua |
| 07:58.58 | mark4__ | im a low level coder. not a high level scripter |
| 07:59.10 | mark4__ | plus theres a huge learning curve for the wow api. no thanks |
| 07:59.37 | mykx | Well if you write free software then surely you can appreciate that the author is human and needs sleep :P |
| 07:59.51 | mark4__ | does he hang in here? |
| 08:00.17 | Recluse | i don't know who writes that offhand |
| 08:00.28 | mark4__ | azonia |
| 08:00.31 | mark4__ | it says |
| 08:02.00 | Antiarc | Wooo |
| 08:02.12 | Antiarc | My arena team <Undergeared Offspec Alts> is above 1500 again! :D |
| 08:02.52 | Fisker- | i liek the medic class in TF2 |
| 08:03.06 | Recluse | i can't decide whether to work on my addon or play wow. that's kinda sad |
| 08:03.16 | Nickenyfiken | Antiarc: :-) |
| 08:03.19 | mark4__ | whats ur addon |
| 08:03.49 | Recluse | mark4__: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/TextSpy |
| 08:03.51 | Nickenyfiken | My 3v3 team with raid specced dps warrior, ehance shaman and holy priest has 1500 rating too |
| 08:04.03 | Nickenyfiken | 0 resilience for the win |
| 08:04.56 | rob` | 1490 rating, prot paladin, resto druid, enhance shaman, combat swords rogue, fury warrior. |
| 08:05.10 | Bruners | my 3v3 team with alts has 1611 rating |
| 08:05.48 | Antiarc | We're running fury warrior, enhance shaman, resto shaman, holy paladin, and BM huntrer, all in blues with 0 resil |
| 08:06.04 | Antiarc | And we keep getting the same team who is even worse than us |
| 08:06.09 | Antiarc | I just bloodthirsted their mage for 2400 |
| 08:06.13 | Antiarc | Without deathwish |
| 08:06.28 | Antiarc | The guy's made of tissue paper |
| 08:06.29 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 08:06.38 | rob` | as a prot paladin it's fun to wear a purple helm, yellow shield, and tank stupid melee types. lookit me, I'ma healin' the warrior, I'ma healin' the warrior, better kill that healer.. |
| 08:06.42 | Antiarc | 2400 BT, 3600 execute |
| 08:09.24 | orionshock | can anyone translate this : "got mutil instead oif mer" |
| 08:10.09 | winkiller | mutilate instead of ... |
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| 08:12.16 | Adirelle|Work | I'm quite impressed, I updated ckk's addons to rock versions yesterday in the evening and besides some missing libraries, all went seemlessly |
| 08:12.16 | Nickenyfiken | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8524.0;topicseen mod remove? |
| 08:13.03 | Nickenyfiken | I agree. |
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| 08:13.34 | Nickenyfiken | I had problems with some FuBar plugins no one else seems to have *shrug* |
| 08:14.36 | Adirelle|Work | I just have to get accoutumed to the new configuration GUI |
| 08:14.48 | Adirelle|Work | that ain't that bad btw |
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| 08:15.36 | Recluse | lol how to cheat gold sellers XD |
| 08:15.56 | Silviu- | Nickenyfiken lol funny :D |
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| 08:16.05 | Administrator | good idea pity it doesn't work anymore |
| 08:16.23 | Antiarc | So we've just faced that team for the 7th time in a row |
| 08:16.30 | Arrowmaster | what is it? |
| 08:16.41 | Antiarc | And we've resorted to things like misdirecting onto our hunter's pet to open the match |
| 08:16.44 | Nickenyfiken | No it's not funny, i think it should be removed :-P |
| 08:16.47 | Antiarc | Or putting me in tanking gear. |
| 08:17.06 | Recluse | i find it amusing, but no, it doesn't belong on wowace |
| 08:17.14 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: dont wear any pants |
| 08:17.18 | Antiarc | Ooh |
| 08:18.03 | Nickenyfiken | Wtf forum is confusing. I think i have answered in a topic all the time but then i notice that it was one of the other 500 topics on the same topic i answered in. |
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| 08:18.38 | Thrae | Hmmm....dependencies |
| 08:19.26 | Recluse | huh, did the forum front-page change or is it my imagination? |
| 08:20.03 | Antiarc | Operation: Kill The Other Team While Wearing No Pants is a success. |
| 08:20.06 | Antiarc | We gain 7 points. |
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| 08:21.24 | Nickenyfiken | Recluse: forum is restructured yes |
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| 08:24.20 | orionshock | ck didn't branch threat to agnostic did he? |
| 08:24.47 | Antiarc | You can apparently skill up weapons in the arena |
| 08:25.08 | Nickenyfiken | You can? I thought weapon skills was out of play in PvP |
| 08:25.23 | Nickenyfiken | Always max/max |
| 08:25.25 | Antiarc | I just gained a point in polearms while killing a druid |
| 08:25.49 | Nickenyfiken | OK |
| 08:26.42 | Srosh | You can skill up but it doesn't do anything. |
| 08:26.53 | winkiller | ? |
| 08:27.08 | Srosh | In PvP your weapon skill is always considered at max for your level. |
| 08:27.38 | Nickenyfiken | Ye |
| 08:27.57 | winkiller | well, it helps for pve |
| 08:28.05 | Nickenyfiken | Hmm but what if your weapon have +X weapon skill? |
| 08:28.07 | winkiller | so it does do somethying |
| 08:28.14 | Nickenyfiken | That weapon sucks in pvp? |
| 08:28.20 | Srosh | I think that's ignored in pvp too. |
| 08:28.27 | mark4__ | thats stupid. weapon skill should be what ever you have earned for both pvp and pve |
| 08:28.27 | winkiller | no clue whether it is ignored |
| 08:28.33 | winkiller | not that important anyhow |
| 08:29.00 | winkiller | http://www.wowwiki.com/Hit |
| 08:29.10 | Codayus | I don't think the effects of weapon skill are currently fully understood in pve OR pvp... |
| 08:29.11 | winkiller | there should be some table about +hit and level diff |
| 08:29.12 | Nickenyfiken | It could be, I think my shaman had like 365 in unarmed |
| 08:29.18 | winkiller | in pvp it's all a bit useless |
| 08:29.24 | Antiarc | Weapon skill is fairly decently understood in PVE |
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| 08:29.32 | ramoz | 365 unarmed? |
| 08:29.46 | ramoz | you have +15 unarmed on a shaman? |
| 08:29.51 | Recluse | lol |
| 08:29.59 | Antiarc | You need +5 to optimize for boss fights |
| 08:30.05 | Antiarc | Skill, not rating |
| 08:30.16 | Codayus | Antiarc: Ah? Hmm. I thought the effects in general were known, but not the exact coversion rate. |
| 08:30.23 | Codayus | I may be out of date. :-) |
| 08:30.25 | Nickenyfiken | I had two fist weapons with like +7 and +8 I think :-P |
| 08:30.33 | Nickenyfiken | Not sure though. |
| 08:30.41 | Antiarc | Codayus: There's a big EJ thread on it, but basically, you need to be within 10 points of your opponent's defense skill or you start taking massive miss penalties |
| 08:31.00 | Antiarc | 5 weapon skill is worth 3% hit (48 hit rating) against a boss |
| 08:31.21 | Codayus | Antiarc: Yeah, I've been vaguely monitoring the EJ discussion, off and on. It's a bit dry. Was it ever worked out exactly what additional weapon skill does? Reduces parry chance, yes? |
| 08:31.23 | Antiarc | Beyond that it's a flat +hit/+crit per point |
| 08:31.31 | Codayus | Or was that disproven? |
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| 08:31.42 | Antiarc | I don't know if it reduces parry, but that shouldn't matter anyhow, since DPS should always be done from behind |
| 08:31.43 | rob` | cod: the reduced parry chance is still up in the air. |
| 08:31.45 | nevcairiel | it reduces parry chance of your opponent |
| 08:31.58 | Codayus | *cough*Tanks*cough* |
| 08:31.59 | nevcairiel | well, weapon skill is great for tanks |
| 08:32.04 | nevcairiel | hit and reduced parry |
| 08:32.08 | nevcairiel | = win-win |
| 08:32.25 | Antiarc | The stat budget investment is better spent elsewhere past five points, though |
| 08:32.27 | Srosh | Mobs can parry even if you attack from behind. |
| 08:32.29 | Codayus | Important for working out how mallet of the tides compared to TF for threat gen, since weapon skill is one of the big things the mallet has. |
| 08:32.35 | nevcairiel | well |
| 08:32.37 | rob` | srosh: some can, some can't |
| 08:32.40 | nevcairiel | parry can kill your tank |
| 08:32.43 | Antiarc | Srosh: No they can't. |
| 08:32.54 | Cheads | is there any other addon that does the same as !StopTheSpam ? |
| 08:32.56 | Antiarc | There has been an assload of testing done on it. They can dodge though. |
| 08:32.56 | Codayus | Srosh: Uh...specific example? |
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| 08:33.04 | nevcairiel | parry rating is so damn expensive for a reason |
| 08:33.08 | Antiarc | They can't block from behind either |
| 08:33.12 | nevcairiel | it resets the mobs swing timer |
| 08:33.16 | rob` | oh? I heard that some bosses can parry rogue 'special' attacks, but i'm going on vague recollection. :) |
| 08:33.31 | nevcairiel | so in an unlucky moment, it can get 2 swings instantly |
| 08:33.35 | Antiarc | Any mob can parry any melee attack made from the from 180 arc |
| 08:33.54 | Codayus | Gruul is great that way, a hunter can instagib your MT during a late growth! |
| 08:33.59 | Codayus | (Send pet in from the front.) |
| 08:34.11 | ramoz | sag_ich_nicht: you have that too? |
| 08:34.12 | Codayus | (Okay, that's not very likely.) |
| 08:34.23 | Recluse | alt tab crashes are still around? T_T |
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| 08:35.31 | Cheads | I get crashes now and then when alt-tab'ing =( |
| 08:35.55 | Codayus | Ugh |
| 08:36.19 | sag_ich_nicht | ramoz: AGP aperture? |
| 08:36.21 | rob` | i find that running in windowed mode prevents crashing in alt-tab. But you need a bit more memory to do that. |
| 08:36.49 | Cheads | I get that "AGP aperture" crash.. don't have agp though =) |
| 08:36.54 | sag_ich_nicht | same here |
| 08:37.00 | sag_ich_nicht | fucking annoying as hell |
| 08:37.04 | sag_ich_nicht | geforce i assume? |
| 08:37.10 | Paradox | why does pitbull not allow me to have multiple profiles at all =( |
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| 08:37.29 | Cheads | yes |
| 08:37.32 | Recluse | iirc pitbull did pre-rock |
| 08:37.40 | winkiller | get a second monitor |
| 08:37.51 | sag_ich_nicht | winkiller not possible. |
| 08:37.57 | sag_ich_nicht | not enough space. |
| 08:38.08 | winkiller | :/ |
| 08:38.13 | winkiller | I have no space for 3rd one |
| 08:38.33 | Cheads | Driver internal error on resource lock. Check AGP aperture. |
| 08:38.38 | sag_ich_nicht | yes. |
| 08:38.39 | sag_ich_nicht | same here. |
| 08:38.44 | sag_ich_nicht | Cheads & ramoz: have you tested if it still happens on the PTR? |
| 08:38.45 | Paradox | i'm trying to make a new profile for another character, and copy-from my main character, but it's just giving me an error box and not letting me do it |
| 08:38.50 | nevcairiel | i blame monkeys. |
| 08:38.53 | nevcairiel | and faulty gfx drivers. |
| 08:39.11 | Cheads | sag I dont have access to the ptr |
| 08:39.35 | sag_ich_nicht | neither do i, because my PTR installer bugs. |
| 08:40.05 | Punkie` | I have the same problem, but I just enabled fullscreen windowed mode |
| 08:40.13 | sag_ich_nicht | kills my FPS |
| 08:40.17 | Punkie` | likewise |
| 08:40.23 | Punkie` | but it doesn't crash |
| 08:40.27 | sag_ich_nicht | AND |
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| 08:40.37 | sag_ich_nicht | not compatible with my shell |
| 08:40.46 | sag_ich_nicht | since it overlays on top of the WoW window, which sucks. |
| 08:40.50 | nevcairiel | fullscreen window works fine for me, plus tabbing is faster then fullscreen |
| 08:41.03 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel working around the bug isn't going to fix it |
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| 08:41.15 | nevcairiel | ive used fullscreen window for like ever |
| 08:41.31 | nevcairiel | mainly because i dont notive fps loss, and tabbing is smoother |
| 08:41.36 | nevcairiel | *notice |
| 08:41.47 | sag_ich_nicht | you don't use a custom shell tho >.> |
| 08:41.48 | Punkie` | well for me it halfs my fps |
| 08:41.59 | orionshock | Tekkub / Adirelle|Work - PING |
| 08:42.00 | sag_ich_nicht | and you probably don't play on max details like i do :X |
| 08:42.07 | Tekkub | NO! |
| 08:42.09 | nevcairiel | i play on max details |
| 08:42.28 | orionshock | im loosing track of this thread you 2 are going back and forth about |
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| 08:42.46 | orionshock | what's the conclusion? it's not making sense |
| 08:42.53 | Tekkub | lern2multithread |
| 08:43.03 | orionshock | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8515.msg139906;topicseen#msg139906 |
| 08:43.09 | nevcairiel | i run wow on 1280x1024 ( my tfts recommended resolution ), and max details on anything |
| 08:43.10 | orionshock | it's 1 thread |
| 08:43.14 | Tekkub | I'd say, authors shouldn't dev in trunk, do it in branch, it's the lesta work solution |
| 08:43.17 | orionshock | you 2 seem to be saying the same thing backwards |
| 08:43.44 | orionshock | ok |
| 08:43.46 | bver | I have a question about un-embedded addons. A while back i un-embedded all my ace addons, but looking at performancefu at the memory usage it appears that it may be decreasing performance due to each lib being loaded. So my question is; Is it more efficient to un-embed your addons, or just leave the libraries in the folders? |
| 08:43.50 | orionshock | but isn't that what trunk is for? |
| 08:43.55 | nevcairiel | its like a convention, when we decide to only get tags zipped up, then people can dev on trunk |
| 08:43.56 | nevcairiel | no issue |
| 08:44.05 | Tekkub | well, all in all, it depends |
| 08:44.07 | nevcairiel | but right now, trunk is the release platform |
| 08:44.16 | nevcairiel | you shouldnt really get unstable stuff in there |
| 08:44.22 | Tekkub | if users were'nt pulling addons from trunk, yea by all means |
| 08:44.40 | Tekkub | but when trunk is used by more than one person, it needs to be kept "stable" |
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| 08:44.47 | orionshock | ok.. so we need an admin call to change this and Kae isn't around to make it? |
| 08:44.52 | frop | Tekkub: wrong |
| 08:44.53 | sag_ich_nicht | bver unembedding makes it better, you just see where the actually usage is coming from. if the library is loaded, it's needed(unless you like, use, i dunno, standalonelibraries which would be dumb) |
| 08:44.54 | Tekkub | which was what we were yamming for in the first place |
| 08:44.56 | frop | imo wrong |
| 08:45.01 | nevcairiel | new release mecahnics should supply files.wowace.com from tags |
| 08:45.09 | nevcairiel | and beta.wowace.com or something like that from trunk |
| 08:45.12 | frop | just cause you could WARN "users" |
| 08:45.23 | Tekkub | aye, they could, I was just saying this was the "least work" solution |
| 08:45.35 | Tekkub | we've WARNED in the past |
| 08:45.36 | orionshock | ok it all seems to be in agreement about what should be done - what stopping us? executive call? |
| 08:45.40 | frop | ...and if someone come here complaing about "trunk" addon, just "kick" it |
| 08:45.41 | Tekkub | it doesn't work |
| 08:46.03 | Tekkub | and we've also TRIED to keep trunk stable for the most part |
| 08:46.10 | nevcairiel | when the new SVN restructuring will hit, i suppose something like that will happen |
| 08:46.15 | Tekkub | it's all a certain someone that's causing the issues really |
| 08:46.17 | bver | i use standalone , does that load every lib regardless? |
| 08:46.20 | nevcairiel | (files from tags, extra beta page for trunk) |
| 08:46.22 | Cheads | nevcairiel full screen window mode kills my fps too =( |
| 08:46.23 | Tekkub | *innocent whistle* |
| 08:46.24 | frop | ...atleast...if this user have nothing to say, apart....isn't working |
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| 08:46.53 | orionshock | innocent my foot |
| 08:47.12 | frop | Tekkub: the point is that everywhere "Trunk" is the unstable/developing release... |
| 08:47.19 | Tekkub | frop, the problem is, trunk is the ONLY source of addons for the majority of these addons... |
| 08:47.26 | frop | ...and there's everywhere a "Stable" tag |
| 08:47.34 | nevcairiel | thats the issue we need to work on |
| 08:47.39 | Tekkub | exactly |
| 08:47.42 | nevcairiel | use the tags part of the svn for stable releases |
| 08:47.46 | nevcairiel | and keep trunk on a beta page |
| 08:47.51 | Tekkub | and that's what ad and I are brainstorming solutions to |
| 08:48.06 | frop | right...it's a dev work to "move" a trunk release to stable |
| 08:48.06 | orionshock | and let tag'ed addons pull from tag'ed libs --- right? |
| 08:48.12 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 08:48.22 | Tekkub | and trust me frop, when you work with the people I work with, you don't want everyone doing their active dev in trunk |
| 08:48.25 | nevcairiel | even trunk addons should use tagged libs |
| 08:48.34 | Tekkub | trunk is the common point where we all sync up STABLE code |
| 08:48.48 | frop | so, just rename trunk to stable... |
| 08:49.06 | frop | ...but...as i see, trunk, is mostly beta... |
| 08:49.12 | nevcairiel | the SVN will be restructured soon, sometime this month |
| 08:49.14 | frop | ...se pittbull/rock... |
| 08:49.19 | frop | see |
| 08:49.32 | Tekkub | trunk, from the start, has been considered a place for STABLE coode since the start here |
| 08:49.38 | Srosh | It was a mistake to update those to rock and not put up new addons. Dunno why. |
| 08:49.44 | frop | (maybe a different story, cause the new Rock thingy) |
| 08:49.45 | orionshock | nevcairiel: is there any other information about the svn restructure other than it's going to happen eventualy? |
| 08:49.48 | Tekkub | the primary problem is, people get lazy, don't branch, and trunk goes splode |
| 08:50.22 | Tekkub | it was a sort of informal pact that, due to the updater and before that the poeple checking out trunk, that we kept trunk stable |
| 08:50.34 | CIA-22 | 03jerry * r49268 10PitBull_AltAura/ (core.lua options.lua update.lua): |
| 08:50.34 | CIA-22 | PitBull_AltAura: |
| 08:50.34 | CIA-22 | _ Merge changes from trunk. |
| 08:50.34 | CIA-22 | _ Changed the cooldownTextSize to be a per group setting instead of global. |
| 08:50.34 | CIA-22 | _ Changed the cooldownTextAlpha option into cooldownTextColor. |
| 08:50.35 | CIA-22 | _ Rework of the buff and debuff detection loops to provide early exits, also removed the configMode test from the loop. |
| 08:51.14 | nevcairiel | orionshock: whats there to know. svn will be split into multiple repos for addons/projects. libraries will be pulled from stable tags rather then (sometimes unstable) trunk, and addon authors should do that with tags too. not sure if files page will only pull from tags, but imho it should |
| 08:51.27 | frop | ...also, you should avoid to use an updater that grab a "trunk" release... |
| 08:51.42 | Tekkub | updater was designed around trunk |
| 08:51.46 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 08:51.53 | sag_ich_nicht | eu.scan.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 08:51.55 | sag_ich_nicht | what is it |
| 08:52.04 | sag_ich_nicht | and the same goes for us.scan.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 08:52.05 | frop | ...that give to everyone (lUsers too) the simple possibility to grab beta version of addons :P |
| 08:52.09 | orionshock | like i said - if you want beta use an SVN client - if you can't manage that then you prolly don't need to be running beta's |
| 08:52.11 | Tekkub | it's 404 file not found |
| 08:52.24 | bver | sag_ich_nicht : I'm currently using standalonelib's, does that load every library regardless? |
| 08:52.25 | frop | sag_ich_nicht: i guess is a server that grab your WoWclient infos |
| 08:52.45 | Tekkub | but the SVN client taxes the server a ton more than the zips do |
| 08:52.57 | orionshock | true... |
| 08:53.10 | Tekkub | which was why the zips happened in the first place |
| 08:53.14 | nevcairiel | 95% of the people would be happy with tag releases |
| 08:53.14 | Tekkub | and then the updater |
| 08:53.25 | frop | nevcairiel: agree |
| 08:53.37 | sag_ich_nicht | bver: correct, i suggest that you update your WAU to 1.9.44, then uninstall SAL, uncheck "WITH external" and check auto download deps, then use the reinstall feature of WAU |
| 08:53.39 | frop | an the remaining 5% will grab svn release |
| 08:53.40 | Tekkub | it's longstanding habit we need to change, and we're undecided on the end structure for the whole thing |
| 08:53.43 | Srosh | 95% of the people wouldn't see any difference. |
| 08:53.48 | nevcairiel | and for the 5%, there could still be a second files page which zips up trunk |
| 08:53.58 | Nickenyfiken | Oh noes i missed the tag/trunk/branch DRAMA! :-P |
| 08:53.59 | Shadowed| | remove all of it, tell them to stop bitching |
| 08:54.06 | Tekkub | and none of it's likely to happen till kael gets seperate repos in |
| 08:54.12 | frop | nevcairiel: no...i don't agree there |
| 08:54.12 | Thrae | Dammit. Lua doesn't seem to have any way of getting info on the file a call is being made from. Oh well, I'll just have to give the filename as another argument. |
| 08:54.30 | Shadowed| | lua is evil |
| 08:54.38 | frop | nevcairiel: the remaining 5% should use svn client ONLY |
| 08:54.40 | bver | ok thanks |
| 08:54.52 | |Kev| | frop: that hammers a server |
| 08:54.54 | orionshock | Frop as Tekkub pointed out - it's an over tax |
| 08:54.56 | frop | nevcairiel: simply cause everyone will grab "unstable" zips |
| 08:54.58 | nevcairiel | nightly svn dumps is cool |
| 08:55.22 | Tekkub | personally, I'm thinking that having a root path for "stable" that builds the "beta" zips, and where lib externals get set to, is the best plan |
| 08:55.22 | frop | |Kev|: how many users can use a svn client? |
| 08:55.28 | Tekkub | and tags are considered "release" |
| 08:55.32 | Srosh | Ye, don't let users decide, because they will always go for the "cool, it's newer, it must be better!". |
| 08:55.32 | Tekkub | and trunk "alpha" |
| 08:55.35 | mark4__ | is there a better UI for the LFG thing? |
| 08:55.44 | mark4__ | the blizz lfg interface is a pos |
| 08:55.51 | nevcairiel | Tekkub: so i have to maintain 3 copies ? :P |
| 08:55.53 | |Kev| | frop: given how trivial some windows client like tortoise is, I'm inclined to say almost everyone |
| 08:55.54 | Nickenyfiken | No i think no one should have to use a SVN client to beta test a addon. You use the SVN client because you want to change something... not just to download. |
| 08:56.00 | Tekkub | maintain? no |
| 08:56.16 | frop | |Kev|: eheh...but not everyone know tortuoise ;) |
| 08:56.17 | Tekkub | you just overwrite stable whenever you want something pushed out to users that use betas |
| 08:56.26 | Tekkub | and, well noone here ever tags so... |
| 08:56.42 | frop | |Kev|: the majority will use something like WUU/WAU/ |
| 08:56.42 | |Kev| | frop: not everyone knows about wau or mau or jau or whatever until someone tells them |
| 08:56.48 | |Kev| | but they're pretty popular |
| 08:56.56 | frop | mmmh |
| 08:56.58 | Shadowed| | Somehow, I doubt SVN was made or intended to support this many folders in the first place |
| 08:57.06 | orionshock | lol |
| 08:57.32 | frop | Shadowed|: well svn is used with that purpose in mind :P handle sources... |
| 08:57.57 | frop | but i agree...not for a BIG userbase... |
| 08:57.58 | Shadowed| | no, SVN is used with the purpose of managing multiple versions, conflicts and such |
| 08:58.04 | Shadowed| | not for content distribution |
| 08:58.08 | frop | right |
| 08:58.20 | Bruners | anyone here tested beql ? |
| 08:58.21 | frop | it's not a ftp server ;) |
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| 08:59.12 | Cartas | Is SVN the best distribution-method available for this? |
| 08:59.14 | mark4__ | svn is version control and a way of tracking who did what where and when in the source code |
| 08:59.15 | frop | ...btw, the links problem from inventory...is due to bagnon-ready-2.2 |
| 08:59.24 | Fisker- | http://steamcommunity.com/id/Fisker/stats/TF2 <-i win |
| 08:59.24 | Nickenyfiken | Cartas: SVN is not a distribution method |
| 08:59.41 | mark4__ | svn is NOT a distrobution method. i hate the way ppl use svn and cvs to distribute chit |
| 08:59.43 | Nickenyfiken | thats why we have zips |
| 09:00.03 | Shadowed| | SVN is a fine distribution method if you want other developers or people to be able to grab or help test a version |
| 09:00.03 | Cartas | Oh, I thought it was being used as one though :$ |
| 09:00.18 | mark4__ | svn allows multiple people in different locations to work on the same source base at the same time. |
| 09:00.26 | Shadowed| | just not when you're talking large scales, and it being used as a primary method of redistribution |
| 09:00.30 | mark4__ | people use cvs for that all the time |
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| 09:00.36 | frop | Nickenyfiken: btw, neither do 3257932759325 zip files for every release is a "fine" method :P |
| 09:00.39 | Nickenyfiken | Shadowed|: Yeah but then it's part of the development... not to mass distribute "software" |
| 09:00.53 | Shadowed| | right |
| 09:00.56 | Shadowed| | hence the last part |
| 09:01.16 | Shadowed| | it's fine if you're not keeping all of them |
| 09:01.17 | Nickenyfiken | frop: nope, we miss stable release zips |
| 09:01.21 | Nickenyfiken | for the masses |
| 09:01.31 | frop | ...but the problem will remain... |
| 09:01.34 | Shadowed| | addons aren't that big really, and they're mostly text |
| 09:01.35 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=912391570&sid=1 >:) |
| 09:01.56 | frop | ...cause if you have not the zip, people will grab svn_revision... |
| 09:02.18 | Nickenyfiken | Shadowed|: Even if it's small it puts a load on the server... It's not the network traffic that is the problem only |
| 09:02.28 | Shadowed| | you're fucked either way |
| 09:02.30 | Shadowed| | essentially |
| 09:02.43 | Shadowed| | either you make everyone use there own SVN like GC, or you use zips |
| 09:02.44 | mark4__ | svn repositories should be closed to all but the developers for both read AND write. not just write |
| 09:02.46 | frop | dog eats dogs |
| 09:02.47 | Shadowed| | and zips are the lesser evil |
| 09:02.57 | mark4__ | end users should not have access to svn |
| 09:03.13 | frop | mark4__: good point... |
| 09:03.20 | frop | ...but...how to test beta then? |
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| 09:03.23 | sag_ich_nicht | zips are stupid |
| 09:03.26 | dreamss | sag same reason tech support makes u reboot instead of repear connection? |
| 09:03.28 | sag_ich_nicht | we should just use .tar.bz2 |
| 09:03.33 | sag_ich_nicht | that'd teach 'em. |
| 09:03.39 | dreamss | cjf word |
| 09:03.40 | Nickenyfiken | frop: We need to have both beta and stable release zips |
| 09:03.43 | Cartas | .rar and .7z are better than zip, no? |
| 09:04.03 | sag_ich_nicht | .rar and .7z are shit compared to .tar.bz2! |
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| 09:04.04 | |Kev| | .rar is arguable |
| 09:04.05 | dreamss | rar is not better than zip other than repair |
| 09:04.06 | frop | Nickenyfiken: :P you can't do a zip for EVERY release :P |
| 09:04.06 | Nickenyfiken | And the beta zips should be so easy accessed by all end users |
| 09:04.13 | |Kev| | 7zip probably is |
| 09:04.18 | |Kev| | and .tar.bz2 definitely is |
| 09:04.25 | Shadowed| | nobody cares about whats better |
| 09:04.26 | Nickenyfiken | frop: Eh why not? |
| 09:04.29 | Shadowed| | they care about what more people understand |
| 09:04.32 | sag_ich_nicht | dreamss: actually, .rar has better compression than zip, but due to it being non-open, that's not a solution. |
| 09:04.34 | |Kev| | indeed |
| 09:04.34 | frop | Tekkub was right..."alpha" closed, "Beta" zipped and "Release" zipped... |
| 09:04.38 | Shadowed| | far more people understand what a zip is, then a tar.bz2, or how to unzip it |
| 09:04.47 | dreamss | sag_ich_nicht, nah |
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| 09:04.58 | Cartas | If they don't know how to unzip or, how can't be bothered to figure it out, then they don't deserve the addon. |
| 09:05.02 | sag_ich_nicht | dreamss go away, i am too lazy to prove you wrong |
| 09:05.02 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 09:05.08 | dreamss | dude |
| 09:05.09 | Tekkub | but there is no "release" here... so just stable and alpha :P |
| 09:05.30 | orionshock | Tekkub: we need release |
| 09:05.37 | sag_ich_nicht | we should just leave alpha on the svn, release beta in .tar.bz2(to lower server load AND prevent stupid people that shouldn't us it from using it) and release as .zip |
| 09:05.37 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 09:05.42 | Shadowed| | Cartas again, thats a stupid view |
| 09:05.42 | frop | Tekkub: a change needed then ;) |
| 09:05.51 | Shadowed| | if that view could be taken, a lot of things would be different |
| 09:05.58 | Cartas | Maybe for the better! |
| 09:06.00 | Tekkub | like I said, what we need is changing dev's practices |
| 09:06.08 | Shadowed| | and killing off all the idiots would be for the better, but it'lll never happen |
| 09:06.09 | frop | sag_ich_nicht: every windows program can handle .bz2 :P |
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| 09:06.18 | frop | WinZip can |
| 09:06.25 | frop | WinRar can |
| 09:06.25 | dreamss | Tekkub: we need release |
| 09:06.25 | dreamss | [02:06] <fn's |
| 09:06.27 | dreamss | fuck |
| 09:06.29 | frop | 7zip can |
| 09:06.36 | Nickenyfiken | And Anyone still use winzip? :-P |
| 09:06.41 | frop | lol |
| 09:06.43 | sag_ich_nicht | frop: stupid users do have neither |
| 09:06.43 | Cartas | Can the default one that comes with Windows XP open it? :o |
| 09:06.43 | Nickenyfiken | *anyone |
| 09:06.46 | Codayus | Users will often just use the built in windows support. |
| 09:06.50 | sag_ich_nicht | they use windows default zip managing. |
| 09:06.50 | Codayus | Which does NOT support it. |
| 09:06.51 | mark4__ | get winrar. winzip is crappy compared to winrar |
| 09:06.53 | dreamss | windows only does winzip |
| 09:07.00 | Shadowed| | It's very simple |
| 09:07.02 | Cartas | 7zip is better than WinRAR, methinks! |
| 09:07.06 | Shadowed| | what the majority uses is what matters, not whats best |
| 09:07.13 | Nickenyfiken | Winrar is not freeware pff |
| 09:07.17 | Cartas | You can change what the majority uses though. |
| 09:07.20 | Shadowed| | the majority uses zip, and so you're using zip |
| 09:07.23 | Tekkub | my winrar is free..... |
| 09:07.23 | sag_ich_nicht | winrar is stealware. |
| 09:07.24 | sag_ich_nicht | >:P |
| 09:07.24 | Tekkub | :) |
| 09:07.28 | orionshock | moot point anyone? - zip is here to stay - |
| 09:07.28 | Diao | it's free if you don't mind the thing that pops up everytime you open winrar |
| 09:07.29 | Shadowed| | not really |
| 09:07.29 | dreamss | heh |
| 09:07.30 | Cartas | I mean, if you made them require 7zp, I'm sure a lot of people will install 7zip. |
| 09:07.32 | frop | winrar sucks |
| 09:07.36 | mark4__ | winace is probably better than those but i wont ever use winace. they are WHORE ware |
| 09:07.42 | frop | 7zip is the way to go ;) |
| 09:07.43 | orionshock | enough wtih the scrolling of irc with useless chatter |
| 09:07.44 | Shadowed| | you could do a lot of things |
| 09:07.45 | Nickenyfiken | Diao: Yeah, shareware. |
| 09:07.46 | Shadowed| | again |
| 09:07.47 | Shadowed| | stupid idea |
| 09:07.54 | sag_ich_nicht | .ace was good... back in 2001. |
| 09:07.58 | dreamss | heh |
| 09:07.59 | sag_ich_nicht | then .rar beat it to death. |
| 09:08.03 | frop | btw...some linux/wow user here? |
| 09:08.05 | Cartas | I don't see why you're saying it's a stupid idea, really, Shadowed|! |
| 09:08.16 | Shadowed| | I already told youu |
| 09:08.16 | sag_ich_nicht | frop ask in #wowi-lounge |
| 09:08.24 | dreamss | or wiki |
| 09:08.26 | Cartas | We shouldn't adapt to stupid people and make things simple, they should get smarter. |
| 09:08.31 | Shadowed| | users don't give a shit about whats best, they use whats easiest |
| 09:08.36 | Shadowed| | you don't understand humans very well |
| 09:08.36 | Shadowed| | then |
| 09:08.39 | frop | ...i get 13fps in Satthrath :P windowed/maximized |
| 09:08.45 | mark4__ | ace is whoreware. during the beta release peropd for ace they let people "try it for free" cept. it was a mule for spyware |
| 09:08.50 | Shadowed| | hence why WAU is so popular |
| 09:09.04 | Shadowed| | because users are incredibly lazy |
| 09:09.11 | Shadowed| | and like fancy flashing lights |
| 09:09.12 | frop | btw...zip/rar/bz2/ace will change a little on the server load |
| 09:09.15 | Cartas | Oh, WAU isn't a good way to update addons? |
| 09:09.19 | Shadowed| | it isn't actually |
| 09:09.22 | Shadowed| | and it's unneeded |
| 09:09.35 | frop | the problem is not the bandwidth...but the server load... |
| 09:09.35 | dreamss | frop, depends on the compression level u use |
| 09:09.59 | dreamss | if u use storage the cpu overhead should not be a prob |
| 09:10.04 | frop | dreamss: yeah...using a stronger compression will load more the server... ;) |
| 09:10.09 | Shadowed| | Either you're addon is in alpha/beta and being rapidly developed, and you could make a case for updating it daily. Or your addon has reached the stable point, and you'll see new tags (if they followed a correct development process) once every 1-3 weeks. |
| 09:10.19 | Shadowed| | tags are dead easy |
| 09:10.21 | CIA-22 | 03nickenyfiken * r49269 10Cartographer_nnTrainers/nnTrainers.lua: Cartographer_nnTrainers: Remove a semicolon ^^ |
| 09:10.28 | Shadowed| | they take 5 seconds, and they save 10 minutes of hassle because you screwed something up |
| 09:10.50 | dylanm | Seriously even Shadowed| can use 'em. |
| 09:11.01 | Shadowed| | i just stole what clad used |
| 09:12.15 | mark4__ | only 2k more to epic flying. dang |
| 09:12.48 | frop | lol |
| 09:13.07 | frop | gl with that... |
| 09:13.41 | frop | ...actually i got more than 5k...but i'm not buying it...need to sell a gyro-balanced before buying |
| 09:13.57 | Matrix110 | i use WAU because i dont like the SVN clients available :P |
| 09:14.00 | Matrix110 | hmm |
| 09:14.03 | Matrix110 | i should scroll down... |
| 09:14.11 | frop | :) |
| 09:14.27 | mark4__ | just use command line svn client |
| 09:14.37 | mark4__ | drag and drop, cut and paste clients are icky |
| 09:14.40 | Matrix110 | (which sucks even more) |
| 09:14.47 | frop | svn co http://fuccka.wowace.com/whatever |
| 09:14.48 | mark4__ | no |
| 09:15.29 | Matrix110 | TortoiseSVN is ok for me but its always loaded which is kinda annoying |
| 09:15.41 | Matrix110 | not that i really care but i dont like programs being loaded if i dont use them |
| 09:16.00 | frop | it's a shell program...so it doesn't eat so much |
| 09:16.12 | Shadowed| | oh shit, TortoiseSVN is using 5KB memory |
| 09:16.14 | Shadowed| | DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM |
| 09:16.19 | frop | :) |
| 09:16.31 | Matrix110 | was 15mb here kinda |
| 09:16.37 | Matrix110 | but i dont care about that |
| 09:16.41 | Matrix110 | i just dont like it being loaded:P |
| 09:16.54 | Matrix110 | its like having auctioneer loaded when not being in the AH for me |
| 09:16.55 | Shadowed| | oh shit, TortoiseSVN is using 15 MB of memory out of 1000+ |
| 09:16.56 | Shadowed| | DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM |
| 09:17.12 | frop | out of 2000 actually... |
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| 09:17.26 | frop | btw, is 85Mb addons too much? |
| 09:17.28 | Shadowed| | even worse |
| 09:17.29 | Shadowed| | not really |
| 09:17.34 | Shadowed| | because memory is useless stat |
| 09:17.34 | Matrix110 | frop depends what addons |
| 09:17.43 | frop | mostly ace |
| 09:17.47 | Matrix110 | if you have 1 or 2 of the big database addons nobody cares about that |
| 09:17.51 | Shadowed| | he meant, what are they doing |
| 09:17.56 | frop | ohhh |
| 09:18.04 | frop | just auc-advanced |
| 09:18.06 | Matrix110 | if you got 600 addons where 300overlap then it might be to much:P |
| 09:18.08 | Shadowed| | then no it doesn't matter |
| 09:18.18 | frop | the most consuming was Rock with 8mb |
| 09:18.23 | Shadowed| | it doesn't matter |
| 09:18.40 | Shadowed| | memory wont tell you anything about how well your game performs |
| 09:18.43 | orionshock | frop check that again 8mb? |
| 09:18.56 | frop | orionshock: preatty sure... |
| 09:19.05 | Matrix110 | Shadowed if you got less than 768MB ram it does but well people using that low memory cant play wow decent anyway... |
| 09:19.10 | orionshock | .. mine is sitting at 1.5 |
| 09:19.18 | Shadowed| | Matrix110 yea i already went over that when jaedwhatever tried arguing it |
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| 09:19.20 | frop | wait...loading now |
| 09:19.48 | Shadowed| | minimum requirements for TBC are 512MB, recommended is 1GB, and you have other factors like your CPU that play a factor in it, if you don't have 1 GB |
| 09:20.35 | Matrix110 | and HDD is quite important aswell as with low memory paging begins which slows that much |
| 09:21.02 | Adirelle|Work | orionshock: pong (suprisingly, I was working :p) |
| 09:21.08 | Shadowed| | indeed |
| 09:21.24 | orionshock | Adirelle|Work: you missed it - like 20mins ago - |
| 09:21.25 | frop | librock 5.74, increasing |
| 09:21.25 | orionshock | :D |
| 09:21.28 | Shadowed| | it's like a lot of things, if you have low memory, you probably have an old computer which would cause the issue, not just because of the memory |
| 09:21.51 | frop | FuBar_CombatTimeFu 4.86 |
| 09:22.02 | Matrix110 | BUt well Shadowed PC-stores sell PC with a 3,4GHz P4 and 256MB ram nothing more to say or?^^ |
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| 09:22.19 | dreamss | heh |
| 09:22.24 | dreamss | celeron p4 |
| 09:22.24 | mykx | my pc is odd I have an amazing cpu, ram and graphics card yet it takes a long time to load applications(once they are running they run perfect though) |
| 09:22.26 | dreamss | that is |
| 09:22.28 | Matrix110 | Nah |
| 09:22.31 | Matrix110 | real P4 |
| 09:22.37 | Shadowed| | "probably" |
| 09:22.38 | Shadowed| | not "always" |
| 09:22.50 | Matrix110 | A noobtrap PC |
| 09:22.55 | dreamss | i like fixing my friends pc |
| 09:23.00 | Matrix110 | ZOMG 3,4GHz for 800 |
| 09:23.07 | dreamss | i clean up the cpu/sync and it says celeron |
| 09:23.09 | dreamss | makes me laff |
| 09:23.10 | Shadowed| | i'm sure people wouldn 't want me to go through every specific case just so it's an airtight argument |
| 09:23.17 | Matrix110 | true |
| 09:23.47 | dreamss | mykx, have u defragged? |
| 09:23.53 | mykx | yeah and recently reformatted |
| 09:24.03 | Matrix110 | fixing friends pc is always a pain in the ass spyware infected/non secured system but they are doing online banking etc... |
| 09:24.04 | dreamss | wird |
| 09:24.13 | mykx | I actually bought new ram thinking it would solve the problem and nope ;p I think it may be my $30 motherboard LOL |
| 09:24.20 | dreamss | Matrix110, give them tinyfw |
| 09:24.21 | Shadowed| | mykx what kind of specs |
| 09:24.25 | Shadowed| | yea |
| 09:24.26 | dreamss | good ass windows ACL |
| 09:24.27 | Shadowed| | that could cause it |
| 09:24.34 | Matrix110 | or TFT users with a 22" widescreen using 1024x768 and wondering why the picture is so crappy |
| 09:24.41 | Matrix110 | dreamss Tiny is to complicated for them :P |
| 09:24.42 | Shadowed| | a good CPU, graphics card and ram wont do much if your MB is shit |
| 09:24.44 | dreamss | lol |
| 09:24.46 | mykx | core 2 duo E6600. nvidia 7600GTX and corsair 2gb ram then some 30$ mobo |
| 09:24.55 | dreamss | matrix yeah its the truth but good ass ACL >_< |
| 09:24.56 | Matrix110 | ZoneAlarm does the job quite good though |
| 09:25.05 | Shadowed| | go spend some money and buy the damn MB |
| 09:25.14 | mykx | lol I will at christmas time |
| 09:25.29 | CIA-22 | 03nayala 07Nayala * r49270 10LibSignal-1.0/LibSignal-1.0/ (4 files in 2 dirs): LibSignal-1.0: Optimize SignalName lookup with design change - about 50% faster |
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| 09:25.50 | Matrix110 | Tiny is <3 but i had to switch back to my old FW as it had loads of bugs with User Switching in Windows XP |
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| 09:26.23 | sag_ich_nicht | [11:24] <Matrix110> ZoneAlarm does the job quite good though <--enjoy your broken TCP/IP implementation. |
| 09:26.27 | winkiller | pfw is useless anyway |
| 09:26.28 | dreamss | hehe |
| 09:26.50 | dreamss | i just to have this nice root kit that had a plugin that killed zonealarm |
| 09:26.56 | dreamss | used to have |
| 09:27.03 | Matrix110 | sag_ich_nicht like the people not even knowing what TCP/IP might be care:P |
| 09:27.04 | frop | eheh sag_ich_nicht which one are you using? |
| 09:27.04 | dreamss | never trusted it after that |
| 09:27.11 | sag_ich_nicht | frop none |
| 09:27.15 | frop | aarrgh |
| 09:27.16 | sag_ich_nicht | personal firewalls are useless. |
| 09:27.25 | frop | wrong |
| 09:27.27 | Matrix110 | nah |
| 09:27.30 | Matrix110 | not useless |
| 09:27.34 | frop | try installing.... |
| 09:27.34 | Matrix110 | but not safety as they should be |
| 09:27.35 | frop | ...mmh |
| 09:27.41 | sag_ich_nicht | you can ping me, trace me, try to contact every single port on my PC and will find it wide open |
| 09:27.49 | dreamss | heh |
| 09:27.52 | frop | not on mine ;) |
| 09:27.56 | Matrix110 | router? |
| 09:27.59 | frop | i don't remembet the name... |
| 09:28.03 | dreamss | if u ping me u hit my shell |
| 09:28.09 | dreamss | which is in eu |
| 09:28.09 | sag_ich_nicht | you will still not managed to access the PC :X |
| 09:28.12 | dreamss | :P |
| 09:28.17 | frop | Matrix110: after the router i use a pfirewall too |
| 09:28.45 | sag_ich_nicht | if i'd feel paranoid, i'd setup a openbsd machine between my PC and my modem |
| 09:28.49 | frop | Jetico Personall Firewall |
| 09:29.00 | mykx | doesnt that slow thing sdown sag? |
| 09:29.10 | sag_ich_nicht | why should it |
| 09:29.15 | dreamss | why not just use a syslink router with tomato fw |
| 09:29.21 | mykx | because all your dats is being routed through another pc ? |
| 09:29.23 | frop | sag_ich_nicht: naaah...too much power consuntion...just go with an OpenWRT router...30$ and 5watt |
| 09:29.24 | mykx | data* |
| 09:29.28 | sag_ich_nicht | because the company is called linksys, dreamss. |
| 09:29.37 | dreamss | lol |
| 09:29.38 | dreamss | woa |
| 09:29.40 | dreamss | :P |
| 09:29.54 | frop | sag_ich_nicht: linksys can use an Opensource OS, mostly |
| 09:29.59 | sag_ich_nicht | i know. |
| 09:30.01 | Matrix110 | only the old ones |
| 09:30.02 | dreamss | http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato |
| 09:30.02 | Sarana | It will add latency but throughput should be about the same. Used to use a BSD firewall. |
| 09:30.04 | Matrix110 | new ones cant |
| 09:30.09 | dreamss | i like it more than openwrt btw |
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| 09:30.13 | Matrix110 | or the special "old" ones that cost more |
| 09:30.15 | frop | don't buy then then ;) |
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| 09:30.33 | frop | dreamss: looking at it |
| 09:30.34 | sag_ich_nicht | [11:30] <Sarana> It will add latency but throughput should be about the same. Used to use a BSD firewall. <--the latency increase wouldn't be really noticeable, if configured right |
| 09:30.47 | sag_ich_nicht | (well, and if you don't use like, i dunno, a realtek network card >.>) |
| 09:31.02 | mykx | more latency is bad for me especially playing FPS games online :( |
| 09:31.03 | Sarana | Aye, it was very small. But it's still there. |
| 09:31.13 | Sarana | < Work in the network industry. |
| 09:31.33 | sag_ich_nicht | dreamss: so what's tomato based on? |
| 09:31.46 | SunTsu | mykx: The latency increase might be the fraction of a mili second |
| 09:32.12 | sag_ich_nicht | Sarana i know, but if you have to worry about that tiny increase, you have other issues than a firewall. |
| 09:32.19 | mykx | I guess since it would be on a lan type thing |
| 09:32.44 | winkiller | my wow is getting slower and slower lately. also no clue what it is. maybe HDD |
| 09:32.53 | winkiller | or I blame the recent patches |
| 09:32.54 | dreamss | hehe u NEED a 200 dolla network card to reduce ping time! :P |
| 09:32.58 | Sarana | It's likely going to be more than a millisecond... depends on how the task switching is handled. |
| 09:33.00 | winkiller | it used to be smoother pre-tbc |
| 09:33.13 | dreamss | sag_ich_nicht, i dunno |
| 09:33.16 | frop | eheh...lol |
| 09:33.19 | dreamss | same source as others |
| 09:33.22 | winkiller | dreamss: well, old 3com were quite better than realtek back in the day |
| 09:33.26 | frop | lag isn't so noticable in a LAN |
| 09:33.29 | winkiller | and it was noticeable |
| 09:33.33 | sag_ich_nicht | 3com is a bitch |
| 09:33.38 | mykx | my ping is already bad I ping like 40 from my house to my isp according to tracert ;p |
| 09:33.40 | dreamss | i never had ping problems |
| 09:34.00 | sag_ich_nicht | that's not a bad ping. fucking FPS fanatics. |
| 09:34.09 | SunTsu | Sarana: Which still is nothing to worry about |
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| 09:34.23 | dreamss | better mouse/kb that dosent use USB is actually better |
| 09:34.34 | dreamss | it is proven that usb mouse/kb lower frames per seccond |
| 09:34.39 | dreamss | and add lag |
| 09:34.42 | Matrix110 | Telia sometimes hates different ISP and makes them getting routed from: Germany ->USA->Asia->Sweden that makes me getting a really BAD ping:P |
| 09:34.42 | sag_ich_nicht | Model M :X |
| 09:34.50 | Sarana | Heh, in most cases aye. Just saying it exists :) |
| 09:34.52 | sag_ich_nicht | Matrix110 that isn't telia |
| 09:34.59 | Matrix110 | it is:P |
| 09:35.00 | sag_ich_nicht | that is YOUR carrier, having stupid peering to telia. |
| 09:35.13 | *** join/#wowace alcohol (n=stfu@unaffiliated/paperclip) |
| 09:35.14 | sag_ich_nicht | no, isn't. go complain to your carrier about not peering with telia in europe |
| 09:35.14 | Matrix110 | no its telia routing me around actually |
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| 09:35.25 | winkiller | Matrix110: hehe, bad experience with some MMO? :P |
| 09:35.29 | SunTsu | .o0( and sometimes routing over foreign countries _is_ the fastest way ) |
| 09:35.31 | frop | dreamss: is Tomato based on "something" so? |
| 09:35.33 | Matrix110 | its called WoW:P |
| 09:35.33 | dreamss | http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9740960-7.html |
| 09:35.37 | winkiller | no the other one |
| 09:35.44 | frop | has it a svn? |
| 09:35.45 | Matrix110 | hmm nope |
| 09:35.45 | dreamss | read that if u got shitty performance |
| 09:35.46 | dreamss | heh |
| 09:36.02 | sag_ich_nicht | no, it's a peering problem, with peering between telia and your carrier in europe missing, thus you get routed to a peering point in the US and then back over the telia network into the US |
| 09:36.04 | frop | is it customizable as OpenWRT? |
| 09:36.09 | winkiller | you never had seconds of lagspikes in RO? lucky xou |
| 09:36.10 | dreamss | more |
| 09:36.13 | dreamss | than openwrt |
| 09:36.19 | dreamss | and cool ass bw monitor |
| 09:36.29 | Matrix110 | i got routed to Telia FFM and Telia routed me in their network to the USA and then Asia |
| 09:36.36 | Matrix110 | its not my ISPs fault |
| 09:36.37 | Matrix110 | 100% |
| 09:36.54 | dreamss | good times heh |
| 09:37.10 | mark4__ | dd-wrt is better than openwrt |
| 09:37.13 | dreamss | frop, http://www.polarcloud.com/img/ssbwm100.png |
| 09:37.14 | mykx | hrm I have a logitech usb mouse and don't seem to have FPS issues, I guess it's only for specific games |
| 09:37.16 | Matrix110 | winkiller oh well in iRO open beta i had 5sec lags:P |
| 09:37.18 | mark4__ | methinks |
| 09:37.22 | frop | dreamss: have you ever "compiled" an your own OpenWRT firmware from svn source tree? |
| 09:37.25 | Sarana | 40ms wow. My slowest out bound (wireless to wireless ISP) is 36ms, and my faster connection active right now is 10ms. |
| 09:37.38 | dreamss | iRO ws awefull |
| 09:37.40 | dreamss | heh |
| 09:37.49 | dreamss | <-- rather bot less lag |
| 09:37.53 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 09:37.58 | SunTsu | Matrix110: If your ISP doesn't have a peering towards telia then they have to reach it some other way |
| 09:38.00 | sag_ich_nicht | RO sucks |
| 09:38.01 | mykx | Sarana: It may be something to do with being in a scottish village to a london isp. :p |
| 09:38.05 | sag_ich_nicht | stop talking about it. |
| 09:38.10 | dreamss | it was sag |
| 09:38.21 | frop | nice ;) |
| 09:38.23 | dreamss | frop, never had too tomato is fucking nice |
| 09:38.43 | dreamss | i used open wrt and the other fw too |
| 09:38.49 | frop | well, dreamss, i guess you could do something like that with OWRT...and even more |
| 09:38.50 | dreamss | i had my linksys forever |
| 09:38.52 | Matrix110 | SunTsu get it i was routed to Telia FRANKFURT(germany) perfectly fine and TELIA routed me in their OWN network to usa-asia-sweden and not frankfurt-sweden likes its normally |
| 09:39.02 | Matrix110 | Telia even said it was their fault |
| 09:39.04 | Adirelle|Work | Tekkub: is your /stable path a partial solution to avoid updating all your externals each time a new stable library is issued ? :p |
| 09:39.07 | sag_ich_nicht | Matrix110 WOAH |
| 09:39.12 | sag_ich_nicht | are you serious? |
| 09:39.14 | frop | dreamss: i used FreeWRT too...but switched back |
| 09:39.16 | sag_ich_nicht | what the fuck |
| 09:39.26 | Tekkub | yes, it'd be stable lib or addon |
| 09:39.27 | sag_ich_nicht | i figured it would be a peering problem, but THAT is stupid. |
| 09:39.31 | orionshock | help: Blizzard_RaidUI\Blizzard_RaidUI.lua:72: attempt to compare number with nil |
| 09:39.37 | sag_ich_nicht | orican taint |
| 09:39.38 | orionshock | :D |
| 09:39.40 | Tekkub | it'd basically be a mirror of trunk as it is now |
| 09:39.44 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 09:39.44 | sag_ich_nicht | m |
| 09:39.50 | dreamss | heh swedin has a huge country firewall |
| 09:39.50 | sag_ich_nicht | *orionshock |
| 09:39.56 | Tekkub | and active dev would take place on trunk with merges over to stable |
| 09:39.57 | dreamss | would suck to route tru there |
| 09:40.05 | Wobin_ | dreamss: So does China =P |
| 09:40.27 | dreamss | gogo ftp on port 444 to get around it |
| 09:40.30 | orionshock | eh? sag_ich_nicht -- you where going to say something? |
| 09:40.32 | dreamss | talk about pita |
| 09:40.33 | Wobin_ | at one point I was routing from China to Australia to play on a US server... |
| 09:40.50 | Wobin_ | ping times were not the most... effective |
| 09:40.54 | dreamss | Australia pipe must be fun |
| 09:40.55 | dreamss | \lol |
| 09:41.01 | dreamss | add like 2s lag |
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| 09:41.13 | Wobin_ | Australia pipe is pretty crappy, on a good day I get about 3-400 |
| 09:41.21 | Matrix110 | guess why they all use /stopcasting macros since ages |
| 09:41.27 | Wobin_ | yep |
| 09:41.39 | Wobin_ | ever since it was possible all aussies use it =P |
| 09:41.44 | mykx | not sure why but in counter-strike lets say I ping 100 to a new york from the UK but in WoW I'm pinging lets say 300+ on a central server |
| 09:41.54 | Matrix110 | must be fun if a healing spells needs atleast 1sec more than usually |
| 09:41.56 | dreamss | fun |
| 09:42.05 | Wobin_ | Matrix110: Fun isn't a good descriptor =P |
| 09:42.05 | mykx | is it like that for all of you guys? |
| 09:42.07 | Adirelle|Work | Tekkub: thus, devs would just use externals that'd point to /stable ? (instead of /tags/LibFoo/stable/1.0, that would need updating) |
| 09:42.14 | Shadowed| | at least pre-TBC, predictiion damage wasnt that hard |
| 09:42.17 | alcohol | I get about 40ms in WoW on average o.O |
| 09:42.19 | alcohol | yay europe |
| 09:42.20 | Wobin_ | We do learn to precast anticipate though |
| 09:42.24 | frop | ori |
| 09:42.27 | frop | 41ms now |
| 09:42.36 | Wobin_ | 319 atm |
| 09:42.41 | frop | 37 |
| 09:42.45 | dreamss | i never knew about spellcast untill it got nerfed (the addon) |
| 09:42.47 | dreamss | heh |
| 09:42.54 | Administrator | 613 atm aussies ftl |
| 09:43.02 | Tekkub | yes Adirelle|Work |
| 09:43.06 | SunTsu | .o0( I don't know. I still am glad that it even pings again *sigh* ) |
| 09:43.13 | mykx | lol well if the aussies can play with 600 then I can play with 300 :) |
| 09:43.17 | alcohol | just logged in |
| 09:43.21 | Tekkub | and the zip script would pull primarily from stable |
| 09:43.27 | alcohol | average of 25ms right now |
| 09:43.27 | alcohol | :> |
| 09:43.43 | alcohol | but server reset this morning |
| 09:43.45 | Matrix110 | 140ms average nerf interleaving at my ADSL -.- |
| 09:43.45 | alcohol | so meh |
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| 09:44.13 | Shadowed| | i usually play with 120-140 not that bad |
| 09:44.17 | Shadowed| | s/play/played/ |
| 09:44.45 | frop | ye, that's my latency too |
| 09:44.48 | Matrix110 | Shadowed its not bad normally but in PvP you sometimes notice it when you try to CS a spell:-( |
| 09:45.13 | frop | i get spikes btw...maybe due to performance...mostly in 10man raid |
| 09:45.51 | Shadowed| | well i don't play a spellcaster |
| 09:46.07 | Shadowed| | never had much issue with it in pvp though for pummeling, people are predictive when they'll cast |
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| 09:48.07 | syeren | Wow. |
| 09:48.24 | syeren | Rock Configuaration + trying to configure Pitbull... |
| 09:48.29 | syeren | Well thought out ckknight >_> |
| 09:48.29 | SunTsu | Well, my ping/RTT is 120, but my graphics card is too slow, so I sometimes have to wait some seconds to see a mob that is attacking me ;) |
| 09:48.30 | dreamss | lol |
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| 09:48.45 | Matrix110 | iam glad i configured my Pitbull before and got no probs:P |
| 09:49.54 | Hjalte | I don't think the rock config is bad |
| 09:49.54 | harldephin | FuBar not working? oO |
| 09:49.57 | syeren | I'm setting up a UI on a new character. |
| 09:50.03 | syeren | Hjsite, the problem is... |
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| 09:50.23 | Hjalte | harldephin: fubar is working. |
| 09:50.38 | syeren | http://fabrikate.org/store/WoWScrnShot_091907_104941.jpg |
| 09:50.50 | syeren | Doesn't exactly work outwell when trying to set out a UI for the first time. |
| 09:51.24 | Hjalte | syeren: i see.. because it blocks so much of your view? |
| 09:51.41 | syeren | Yes :p |
| 09:52.29 | Hjalte | Just setup parts of your screen at a time :P |
| 09:53.25 | Paradox | I don't like configging pitbull ( |
| 09:53.27 | Paradox | :( |
| 09:53.37 | harldephin | Hjalte: mine isn't working anymore since i updated a few minutes ago. |
| 09:53.55 | Paradox | either pitbull or this Rock thing is really buggy.. it keeps 'crashing' when I do a lot of things and I want to make a new profile and copy from another but it just doesn't wor |
| 09:53.56 | Paradox | k |
| 09:54.18 | nevcairiel | thats rock |
| 09:54.30 | CIA-22 | 03nargiddley * r49271 10Waterfall-1.0/Waterfall-1.0/Waterfall-1.0.lua: Waterfall-1.0: Throw a descriptive error when args isn't a table |
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| 09:55.40 | Pkekyo|sch | g'mornin kids |
| 09:56.04 | helget | Anyone knows why my bartender3 settings is shared on all my charachers? Would like to have different settings on each char. |
| 09:56.21 | harldephin | actually, nearly all ace add-ons aren't working for me anymore. what's going on there.. oO |
| 09:56.41 | charon | good morning, too |
| 09:57.01 | nevcairiel | helget: get into the config -> profiles, and select character based configs for all of your chars |
| 09:57.01 | odt | helget: that's the default behaviour |
| 09:57.09 | odt | change the profile and it's ok |
| 09:57.16 | odt | like nevcairiel said |
| 09:57.22 | helget | ok |
| 09:57.23 | helget | thanks |
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| 09:59.55 | helget | nevcairiel: you mean the config.wtf file? or ingame? :P |
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| 09:59.58 | Hjalte | harldephin: ccknight updated his addons to Rock. If you are having problems, check that you are using an updater that is up-to-date. |
| 10:00.03 | nevcairiel | helget: ingame |
| 10:00.10 | nevcairiel | helget: bartender config, has a profile option |
| 10:00.14 | helget | aah |
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| 10:04.08 | Silviu- | Nargiddley http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot091907130224ie9.jpg |
| 10:08.58 | Adirelle|Work | Tekkub, orionshock (and whoever cares) : http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8515.msg139926#msg139926 |
| 10:09.06 | Tekkub | just read it |
| 10:11.26 | Pkekyo|sch | anyone know if Crysis will be awailable for win xp, or vista only? |
| 10:11.27 | Pkekyo|sch | anyone know if Crysis will be awailable for win xp, or vista only? |
| 10:11.29 | CIA-22 | 03jerry * r49272 10PitBull_AltAura/ (core.lua update.lua): PitBull_AltAura: cleanup |
| 10:11.29 | Pkekyo|sch | anyone know if Crysis will be awailable for win xp, or vista only? |
| 10:11.54 | Adirelle|Work | notice, I ignored the branche question, as I think it isn't viable, branches are mainly an exception, and well, cases where many people work on the same code at the same time is quite exceptionnnal |
| 10:12.20 | CIA-22 | 03Firik * r49273 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua: Babble-2.2: Added "Banshee Curse" |
| 10:12.39 | orionshock | Adirelle|Work: what's your home language? |
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| 10:12.54 | Adirelle|Work | french |
| 10:13.19 | Adirelle|Work | (is it a mean to say my english is quite awkward ? :p) |
| 10:13.22 | Nargiddley | Silviu-, thats me throwing an error because of a malformed options table |
| 10:13.32 | Tekkub | damn frenchies! |
| 10:13.43 | orionshock | ...figures... your post has some English grammar backwards - but still understandable |
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| 10:13.47 | Tekkub | only thing I hate more than the french are the french canadiens :) |
| 10:13.49 | Silviu- | Nargiddley happans when i try open niagara |
| 10:13.51 | Tekkub | *hides* |
| 10:14.05 | Nargiddley | from looking at the ss, its niagara itself |
| 10:14.06 | Diao | hmm |
| 10:14.16 | Tekkub | Adirelle|Work.... SAY IT FRENCHIE! SAY CHOWDAH! |
| 10:14.19 | Diao | is there a point in using pitbull altaura now that aura has been upgraded to rock |
| 10:15.09 | bindi | not really the chan to ask but in sws you got some sort of combatlog :p somehow i've hidden it and cant seem to get it back :p cant find the cmd for it, anyone? |
| 10:15.12 | harldephin | Hjalte: i'm using WAU 1.9.44 and it already had downloaded all librock stuff automatically. now i've completely reinstalled all add-ons and that did it. though the total number of directories in my add-ons folder is the same as before (338), there must have been something that weren't updated correctly without reinstalling all of them. |
| 10:15.24 | orionshock | no disrespect - i talk to people all day long over the phone so i've come quite adapt at guessing when your speaking english as a 2nd language / non-primary |
| 10:15.41 | Diao | it's /swl bindi |
| 10:15.48 | bindi | aha :p that explains :D |
| 10:15.50 | bindi | thanks |
| 10:15.51 | Adirelle|Work | Tekkub: what do you meant ?? |
| 10:16.09 | Tekkub | Adirelle|Work, it's an old simpson's joke |
| 10:16.18 | orionshock | yes very old :D |
| 10:16.36 | Tekkub | the frech waiter that pronounces "chowder" as "shaoudair" |
| 10:17.13 | Adirelle|Work | season/ep ? |
| 10:17.34 | Tekkub | oh man, somewhere in the first 5 seansons prolly |
| 10:17.45 | Tekkub | bart ditches school, ends up at the mayor's |
| 10:17.54 | Tekkub | mayor's kid fights with the waiter |
| 10:18.17 | Tekkub | big trial, bart has to admit he skipped scoll to save the mayor's kid |
| 10:18.28 | Tekkub | and I need to go to bed I can't type |
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| 10:18.40 | Adirelle|Work | hehe |
| 10:18.44 | Adirelle|Work | bonne nuit xD |
| 10:18.47 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Knew_Too_Much |
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| 10:19.09 | Tekkub | thank you arrow |
| 10:19.18 | Arrowmaster | google ftw |
| 10:19.21 | Tekkub | 5th season, great guess |
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| 10:20.41 | Chompers | ckk added [talentspec] to dogtag, awesome! |
| 10:21.04 | orionshock | well ... |
| 10:21.33 | orionshock | night all |
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| 10:24.03 | Adirelle|Work | gonna lunch |
| 10:24.34 | Diao | o_o |
| 10:26.13 | helget | nevcairiel: Ok thanks, that helped a little - but they still share keybindings.. Possible to work around that too? |
| 10:27.29 | Diao | what shares keybindings? |
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| 10:28.08 | Towbar | hi folks |
| 10:28.09 | helget | my bartender3 keys. If I chance a button in one profile it's changed in all profiles. And I am using seperate profile configs for each |
| 10:28.42 | Diao | hm |
| 10:28.48 | Diao | that is strange |
| 10:28.58 | Diao | oh wait |
| 10:29.04 | Diao | are you using individual keybindings |
| 10:29.08 | Diao | in the blizzard keybindings menu |
| 10:29.22 | helget | yeah |
| 10:29.28 | helget | can I do it with bartender too? |
| 10:29.38 | CIA-22 | 03nargiddley * r49274 10Waterfall-1.0/Waterfall-1.0/Waterfall-1.0.lua: Waterfall-1.0: Fix assertion of type(args) == "table" |
| 10:29.43 | Diao | hm |
| 10:29.54 | Diao | not sure |
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| 10:29.59 | Diao | i use the same bindings for each char |
| 10:31.11 | syeren | Hmm. |
| 10:31.14 | syeren | Almost finished the UI! |
| 10:31.22 | CIA-22 | 03nargiddley * r49275 10Niagara/Niagara.lua: Niagara: Don't pull in PitBull's config manually as it is now incompatible with Waterfall |
| 10:34.00 | syeren | Hjalte, interested in what I made at all :p? |
| 10:34.03 | |Stan| | w00t |
| 10:34.09 | |Stan| | that's the fix I was waiting for |
| 10:37.47 | Diao | wow |
| 10:37.48 | Diao | i just lucked out |
| 10:38.04 | Diao | spellsurge on AH for 500g when the last 20 times i've seen it, it was 1k+, average of 1400 |
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| 10:38.56 | Towbar | yo folks, first time in teh channel |
| 10:38.58 | Towbar | the* |
| 10:39.18 | Towbar | jsut wanted to say thanks for letting me make a custom UI, loving ace addons for a while now :) |
| 10:39.18 | syeren | It's pretty much dead at this time, so don't get too excited :P |
| 10:39.25 | Towbar | can imagine |
| 10:39.38 | Towbar | are there any politics like dont ask for features etc? |
| 10:39.52 | Diao | lol |
| 10:39.55 | Towbar | :P |
| 10:39.59 | Diao | you can request them from the authors but they might refuse you |
| 10:40.00 | Diao | afaik |
| 10:40.11 | syeren | We have a rule in here. |
| 10:40.16 | syeren | Whenever ckknight logs on. |
| 10:40.23 | syeren | You just go "Ckknight fix Pitbull Auras." |
| 10:40.26 | syeren | Over and over! |
| 10:40.27 | Towbar | lol |
| 10:40.33 | Towbar | what happened to pitbull yesterday? |
| 10:40.34 | Diao | lol |
| 10:40.39 | Towbar | I had to use ag UF for raid |
| 10:40.43 | Diao | um |
| 10:40.55 | Diao | ckknight finally moved his upgraded versions that rely on rock instead to the trunk |
| 10:41.02 | Towbar | yesterday I couldnt see player target or tot |
| 10:41.06 | Towbar | aye |
| 10:41.12 | Diao | all issues |
| 10:41.12 | Towbar | I new it was something to do with rock |
| 10:41.13 | Diao | should be fixed now |
| 10:41.24 | Diao | i haven't had any problems since like 7pm PST yesterday |
| 10:41.27 | Towbar | yep jsut reinstalled pitbull and its working a treat |
| 10:41.33 | nevcairiel | helget: turn on Character specific keybindings in the Keybindings UI |
| 10:41.50 | Towbar | was hoping I had an excuse not to wipe on kael all night but aguf saved the day.. |
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| 10:42.02 | helget | nevcairiel: thanks :) |
| 10:42.21 | Towbar | anyone here work on eavesdrop? |
| 10:42.37 | Diao | that would be grayhoof i think, and i don't think i've ever seen him in here |
| 10:42.42 | Towbar | k |
| 10:42.53 | Towbar | I want to be able to make it wider than he allows |
| 10:43.31 | Towbar | do you make / update any addons yourself diao? |
| 10:43.49 | dylanm | Towbar: Might want to post in the thread on the wowace.com forums |
| 10:43.56 | Towbar | will do now |
| 10:44.20 | Diao | no, i'm too lazy to code them lol |
| 10:44.25 | dylanm | I can't recall seeing Grayhoof in here ever. |
| 10:44.25 | Diao | i do a little bit of modification though |
| 10:44.26 | Towbar | hehe |
| 10:44.41 | Towbar | I work in IT but more the networking / server end |
| 10:44.44 | Diao | i edit addons to how i like them and fix minor bugs myself while reporting them |
| 10:44.46 | Towbar | cant code to save my life |
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| 10:49.06 | Towbar | done |
| 10:49.09 | Paradox | gawd come on guys, I took a shower, come back, and only 9 of the addons I use have been updated |
| 10:49.12 | Paradox | work faster! |
| 10:49.16 | Towbar | rofl |
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| 10:51.15 | Diao | easy? o-o |
| 10:51.22 | cryogen | yeah like what bongos does |
| 10:51.22 | syeren | Grayhoof doesn't come in here, but if you report anything or suggest anything on the WoWAce forums in his threads, he generally always responds and does it if he thinks it's worthy. |
| 10:51.30 | cryogen | click a button, hit a key, now it's bound |
| 10:51.38 | Diao | oh |
| 10:52.04 | syeren | Clever cryogen :p |
| 10:52.09 | syeren | Very nice idea :) |
| 10:52.23 | cryogen | bongos does it, it's sweet |
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| 10:52.40 | cryogen | its easier to visualise than having to go via the keybinding menu |
| 10:52.58 | nevcairiel | cryogen: meh, i always wanted to do it, never got the motivation |
| 10:53.27 | cryogen | you can do it man! keep pushing the envelope! etc |
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| 10:54.21 | Diao | lol |
| 10:54.29 | Nickenyfiken | it says "made of motivation seeds" on the package |
| 10:54.55 | dylanm | It's a Tony Robbins cookie |
| 10:55.18 | Silviu- | Nargiddley all works fine now, thx :D |
| 10:55.41 | Nickenyfiken | nevcairiel: Now WORK or throw up that cookie! :-P |
| 10:55.51 | cryogen | heh |
| 10:57.38 | nevcairiel | cooking lunch right now :P |
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| 11:05.14 | Nickenyfiken | Mmm fooood |
| 11:05.30 | Nickenyfiken | Is anyone in the process of making all Babble libs based on LibStub? |
| 11:06.01 | nevcairiel | babble-3.0 will get there |
| 11:06.08 | nevcairiel | the core is still being worked on |
| 11:06.12 | Diao | oh yeah |
| 11:06.25 | Diao | dr.damage gives me an error when i swap in a miscellaneous type mainhand (blacksmith hammer) |
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| 11:06.40 | Diao | says Babble-Inventory-2.2 translation missing for Main-Hand type: Miscellaneous lol |
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| 11:07.06 | Nickenyfiken | nevcairiel: Oki! |
| 11:07.11 | Towbar | seems my SP cannot take on 5 demons at a time doing dailys in ogrilla for teh banishing quest.. |
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| 11:07.22 | Diao | o_O |
| 11:07.28 | Diao | my warrior can't even take 2 |
| 11:07.30 | Diao | D: |
| 11:07.35 | Towbar | my rogue would own 5 |
| 11:07.42 | Diao | at once? O_o |
| 11:07.44 | Towbar | more with cds |
| 11:07.44 | Lukian | 5 is fine.. if you wear FR :D |
| 11:08.13 | Diao | any more than 2 and i'm dead for sure lol |
| 11:08.18 | Towbar | prot? |
| 11:08.22 | Diao | arms |
| 11:08.26 | Towbar | you should own them |
| 11:08.28 | Diao | although sometimes i do dailies as prot |
| 11:08.33 | Diao | eh |
| 11:08.34 | Lukian | take FR gear out with you. or learn to group :D |
| 11:08.39 | Diao | when there's more than 2 |
| 11:08.44 | Diao | there's way too many spellcasts to interrupt |
| 11:08.48 | Jazradel | i'm a hunter, so 5-10 |
| 11:08.52 | Diao | and that firebreath thing does like 1500 dmg a sec |
| 11:08.56 | Towbar | yea |
| 11:08.59 | Towbar | cloak of nerf ftw |
| 11:09.03 | Diao | well |
| 11:09.09 | Paradox | is there any way to get 2 borders on an eePanel? a thick border for example, with a thin black outline border around it? |
| 11:09.10 | Diao | how do you kill 5 at once as a rogue though |
| 11:09.19 | Diao | aren't they single target killers, 2 with blade flurry? |
| 11:09.24 | Towbar | ad rush blade flurry |
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| 11:09.31 | Towbar | 2.5 3k dps |
| 11:09.34 | Towbar | ish |
| 11:09.41 | Diao | yeah arms warrior can't match that |
| 11:09.43 | Diao | neither can fury lol |
| 11:09.54 | Diao | best we can do is a SS/WW/cleave once |
| 11:10.03 | Diao | then SS runs out because unlike rogues it's based on charges -_- |
| 11:10.16 | Towbar | yea |
| 11:10.21 | Towbar | i have a lowbie warrior |
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| 11:10.35 | Towbar | my rogue is SSC TK geared though |
| 11:10.53 | Towbar | SP is only 5 days played at 70, spellstrike and FSW, with curator staff |
| 11:11.17 | Diao | well FSW is basically the best gear already until like BT |
| 11:11.34 | Towbar | yea |
| 11:11.36 | Towbar | its nice |
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| 11:11.47 | Towbar | i still 0only pump out 650-700 dps in raids though :/ |
| 11:11.54 | Towbar | with 968 shadow dmg |
| 11:12.07 | JoshBorke | you need to get your rotation better then |
| 11:12.10 | JoshBorke | spriest is easy :-D |
| 11:12.14 | Towbar | my rogue is 1300-1700 depending on fight, but teh mana regen on the SP is imba for teh grp |
| 11:12.20 | Diao | wish i could do that much dps |
| 11:12.23 | Diao | without wf totem |
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| 11:12.26 | Diao | lol |
| 11:12.33 | Towbar | 1300 no WF |
| 11:12.36 | Towbar | 1700 with |
| 11:12.43 | Towbar | always have a feral druid in the group |
| 11:12.53 | TNSe | 2600 2.1, 1500 2.2 |
| 11:12.57 | nevcairiel | thats peak dmg that you cant sustain over a full fight |
| 11:13.01 | Diao | i do like 500 sustained dps max without wf totem |
| 11:13.10 | Diao | 33/28 |
| 11:13.27 | Diao | with wf it goes up to like 800-900 |
| 11:13.34 | TNSe | O_o |
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| 11:13.40 | TNSe | white attacks +20% |
| 11:13.48 | TNSe | 20% extra rage from said attacks |
| 11:13.50 | nevcairiel | our rogues to like 1100-1200 sustained without WF |
| 11:13.51 | TNSe | increased uptime on flurry |
| 11:13.57 | nevcairiel | thats MH/BT equiped |
| 11:13.58 | TNSe | but an increase of 80%? |
| 11:14.15 | Diao | for some reason |
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| 11:14.28 | Diao | wf procs for me |
| 11:14.33 | Diao | much more than 20% on average |
| 11:14.40 | Towbar | WF is overpowered |
| 11:14.42 | TNSe | wf IS more than 20% for a ms warrior |
| 11:14.45 | Towbar | with sword spec |
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| 11:14.53 | Diao | i use |
| 11:14.55 | Diao | a slam rotation |
| 11:14.59 | TNSe | 20% is just white damage increase before flurry (if WF can proc flurry, something they claim it no longer does) |
| 11:14.59 | Diao | so i get like 40% wf procs |
| 11:15.07 | Diao | well |
| 11:15.09 | TNSe | slam no longer procs wf |
| 11:15.12 | Recluse | what spec were those spartans in 300? |
| 11:15.13 | Diao | yes it does |
| 11:15.14 | Diao | lol |
| 11:15.20 | Diao | slam is one of the things that still procs wf |
| 11:15.24 | Diao | slam, HS, and cleave |
| 11:15.25 | sag_ich_nicht | Recluse: 51/51/51 |
| 11:15.27 | Diao | along with white attacks |
| 11:15.30 | TNSe | really? so they pulled that |
| 11:15.33 | Diao | well |
| 11:15.36 | Recluse | rofl |
| 11:15.36 | Diao | they nerfed instant attacks |
| 11:15.39 | Diao | like ms/ww |
| 11:15.40 | TNSe | they said slam would NOT proc it |
| 11:15.47 | Diao | warriors complained that slam wouldn't |
| 11:15.50 | TNSe | only 'on next' and white attacks |
| 11:15.51 | Diao | and they changed it to work for slam |
| 11:15.56 | TNSe | lol... |
| 11:16.01 | TNSe | fucking hacks |
| 11:16.02 | Diao | just not ms/ww/hamstring |
| 11:16.07 | TNSe | fair enough |
| 11:16.09 | Diao | well |
| 11:16.12 | Diao | slam resets swing timer |
| 11:16.14 | Diao | so it was only fair :P |
| 11:16.25 | TNSe | its a good tradeoff |
| 11:16.27 | Recluse | sag_ich_nicht: it shocked me to see them using a shield AND a polearm at the same time. i claim hax |
| 11:16.28 | Diao | but if you time your slam properly you can get it off right after the swing |
| 11:16.30 | Diao | so it's like a double swing |
| 11:16.35 | TNSe | imp slam and its just a 0.5-0.6s delay if you time it well |
| 11:16.38 | Diao | yep |
| 11:16.40 | Diao | well |
| 11:16.43 | Diao | if you have low latency |
| 11:16.49 | Diao | you can time it to within .1 sec of the white hit |
| 11:16.53 | Diao | and only lose that .1s delay |
| 11:16.53 | TNSe | using quartz you can predict it better |
| 11:16.58 | Diao | yep i use quartz lol |
| 11:17.21 | JoshBorke | ~lart sag_ich_nicht |
| 11:17.21 | purl | hauls sag_ich_nicht up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 11:17.30 | TNSe | I've done some minor dps'ing on my fury alt warrior |
| 11:17.41 | TNSe | and for dw it seems to be spamstring all the way >_< |
| 11:17.45 | sag_ich_nicht | hi JoshBorke |
| 11:17.45 | TNSe | to keep flurry up |
| 11:17.48 | sag_ich_nicht | you miss optdeps. |
| 11:17.51 | sag_ich_nicht | pastamancer |
| 11:17.55 | sag_ich_nicht | you miss optdeps. |
| 11:18.05 | JoshBorke | wtf? i don't use opt deps |
| 11:18.14 | JoshBorke | my shit doesn't disembed :-P |
| 11:18.22 | sag_ich_nicht | it does now |
| 11:18.24 | Diao | well flurry should be up all the time |
| 11:18.27 | sag_ich_nicht | since i just made it |
| 11:18.32 | sag_ich_nicht | you miss opt deps. |
| 11:18.46 | TNSe | yeah, but playing fury warrior (with half-decent, but not good gear) is kinda like random |
| 11:18.54 | Diao | yeah |
| 11:18.59 | TNSe | every free GCD I have to use spamstring |
| 11:19.01 | Diao | i'm building up my fury set still |
| 11:19.02 | JoshBorke | did it work otherwise? |
| 11:19.04 | TNSe | to try to get extra flurry charges |
| 11:19.09 | Diao | but i still have like 40% crit raid buffed |
| 11:19.13 | Diao | so flurry is always up lol |
| 11:19.16 | TNSe | LOL |
| 11:19.29 | TNSe | I have like 240 hit rating and 25% crit |
| 11:19.32 | TNSe | raid buffed :P |
| 11:19.38 | Diao | lol |
| 11:19.42 | Diao | get to 30% :P |
| 11:19.45 | TNSe | but my gear is pre-kara |
| 11:19.59 | Towbar | 291 with 366 weapon skill |
| 11:19.59 | Hjalte | syeren: was afk for class, will see it later, always interested in pitbull UI's ;) |
| 11:20.05 | pastamancer | sag_ich_nicht: ? |
| 11:20.16 | Towbar | need to get 299 |
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| 11:21.49 | pb_ee1 | anyone has an error with pitbull & banzailib? |
| 11:22.03 | TNSe | anyway Diao, I only have the t1 crafted mace hammer |
| 11:22.09 | TNSe | and that thing already is pretty freaking insane |
| 11:22.09 | Diao | ahh |
| 11:22.11 | Diao | yeah |
| 11:22.11 | pb_ee1 | banzailib bla bla is not running, you must register for one of the events |
| 11:22.16 | TNSe | I can only imagine the t3 one >_< |
| 11:22.21 | Diao | i got both the t2 crafted hammers |
| 11:22.22 | Diao | lol |
| 11:22.25 | Diao | 2h and 1h one |
| 11:22.28 | Towbar | well now they are nerfing haste thats a pain |
| 11:22.35 | TNSe | flurry + 30+% crit + proc on it |
| 11:22.41 | Towbar | especially for all those ppl that paid alot of dkp for vortexes |
| 11:22.43 | Diao | right now i'm using |
| 11:22.44 | TNSe | heh |
| 11:22.46 | Diao | t2 hammer |
| 11:22.46 | Towbar | and trinekts (ie me) |
| 11:22.48 | Diao | with mongoose |
| 11:22.52 | Diao | abacus of violent odds |
| 11:22.58 | Towbar | season one swords with mongoose on me |
| 11:22.59 | Diao | and blackout truncheon with mongoose for fun |
| 11:23.06 | Diao | just for the haste :D |
| 11:23.06 | Towbar | going maces for pvp benifits |
| 11:23.14 | TNSe | hmm |
| 11:23.26 | TNSe | blackout truncheon haste and mace smith hammers dont stack |
| 11:23.31 | Towbar | aye was thinking of it, but i got the 4 piences of merc first, so i need to save up points agian |
| 11:23.32 | sag_ich_nicht | [13:20] <+pastamancer> sag_ich_nicht: ? <--CastCommLib is missing an OptDep for ChatThrottleLib |
| 11:23.34 | TNSe | and the meta gem with haste wont stack |
| 11:23.35 | Diao | they do o_o |
| 11:23.37 | TNSe | no |
| 11:23.40 | Diao | at least i get both buffs |
| 11:23.41 | Towbar | yes they do |
| 11:23.42 | TNSe | they are the same spell |
| 11:23.52 | Diao | then explain how i once had 4 buffs up |
| 11:23.57 | TNSe | 3 things that wont stack |
| 11:23.57 | Diao | 2 mongoose and the bs mace and blackout |
| 11:23.58 | Diao | lol |
| 11:24.03 | Towbar | and watch flurry speed MH OH |
| 11:24.06 | TNSe | meta gem, blackout and the hammers |
| 11:24.11 | pastamancer | sag_ich_nicht: it should work just fine without CTL |
| 11:24.25 | Diao | i dunno, both buffs were up at once for me |
| 11:24.28 | pastamancer | sag_ich_nicht: or with CTL loaded after CCL |
| 11:24.33 | Diao | maybe it just shows up and doesn't count? |
| 11:24.33 | sag_ich_nicht | pastamancer: i know, but i know you made it support CTL, so having that in but missing the opt dep makes it kind of pointless |
| 11:24.34 | TNSe | or was it meta and dragonspine >_< |
| 11:24.38 | sag_ich_nicht | pastamancer: oh really |
| 11:24.38 | TNSe | and one other thing |
| 11:24.45 | JoshBorke | ya rly |
| 11:24.47 | pastamancer | sag_ich_nicht: it looks for ADDON_LOADED |
| 11:24.54 | sag_ich_nicht | no wai! |
| 11:25.03 | JoshBorke | ya wai |
| 11:25.09 | sag_ich_nicht | noes! |
| 11:25.13 | Diao | lol |
| 11:25.15 | TNSe | I was checking out haste stuff on wowhead, and metagem with haste does not stack with something |
| 11:25.20 | Diao | oh |
| 11:25.23 | JoshBorke | sag_ich_nicht: gtfo |
| 11:25.29 | sag_ich_nicht | JoshBorke no u! |
| 11:25.30 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
| 11:25.30 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 11:25.31 | sag_ich_nicht | stay |
| 11:25.32 | Diao | i don't have that meta gem though |
| 11:25.34 | Diao | so not an issue for me |
| 11:25.44 | sag_ich_nicht | i didn't get to test it yesterday JoshBorke :X |
| 11:25.48 | TNSe | also while checking that out |
| 11:25.53 | JoshBorke | ~fail sag_ich_nicht |
| 11:25.53 | purl | sag_ich_nicht: Fail. |
| 11:25.56 | TNSe | it seemed like blackout and crafted hammers wont stack |
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| 11:26.00 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 11:26.02 | TNSe | but I never got that tested |
| 11:26.06 | JoshBorke | i don't think it works anyway |
| 11:26.28 | Diao | well you get both buffs |
| 11:26.30 | Diao | maybe both don't apply |
| 11:26.52 | TNSe | if they get listed |
| 11:26.55 | TNSe | they should apply |
| 11:27.00 | Diao | oh |
| 11:27.05 | TNSe | I know a rogue in my guild bitched about meta gem not stacking with something |
| 11:27.16 | TNSe | they'd push eachother off all the time |
| 11:27.19 | Towbar | was that teh thundering skyfire? |
| 11:27.21 | Diao | ah |
| 11:27.21 | TNSe | and I found a 3rd thing that wouldn't stack |
| 11:27.32 | TNSe | and now I can't remember what that was :P |
| 11:27.48 | Diao | haha |
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| 11:27.49 | Towbar | haste meta |
| 11:27.49 | TNSe | also it looked like bsmith hammers and blackout wouldn't stack as well |
| 11:27.54 | TNSe | yeah |
| 11:28.00 | Towbar | thundering skyfire |
| 11:28.12 | Towbar | i dont use it, I use the 12 agi 3% crit dmg |
| 11:28.17 | Diao | yeah i think everyone uses that |
| 11:28.18 | Diao | for dps |
| 11:28.25 | TNSe | Diao, how would you profile that darkmoon card: wrath like? |
| 11:28.38 | TNSe | 17 * (1/crit%) / 2? |
| 11:28.38 | Towbar | Sinister Strike - Normal: 1009 - Critical: 2360 |
| 11:28.43 | Towbar | gotta love those crits :) |
| 11:28.47 | Diao | hmm |
| 11:28.50 | Diao | yeah |
| 11:28.51 | Diao | basically |
| 11:28.57 | TNSe | man its shit :P |
| 11:29.04 | Diao | yeah it's terrible |
| 11:29.08 | Diao | don't know anyone who would actually use it |
| 11:29.08 | Matrix110 | uh the new query auction thingy is nice |
| 11:29.23 | TNSe | at 25% crit you're way better off with the one from black morass |
| 11:29.25 | Towbar | that card is rubbish |
| 11:29.29 | TNSe | well, I'm considering it on my retri pally :P |
| 11:29.36 | Towbar | wasted imo |
| 11:29.40 | TNSe | as they don't have charges on vengeance |
| 11:29.43 | TNSe | but it lasts 15 seconds |
| 11:30.04 | TNSe | thing is |
| 11:30.12 | TNSe | at 25% crit its equal to the black morass trinket |
| 11:30.25 | TNSe | without the proc |
| 11:30.53 | TNSe | 34 crit rating vs 32 |
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| 11:33.41 | TNSe | that card is good for soloing unbuffed |
| 11:33.46 | TNSe | but its not a raiding tool :P |
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| 11:34.34 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot_RepFactions: |
| 11:34.34 | CIA-22 | - Fixed Ashtongue Talisman's exalted icons |
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| 11:41.53 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 11:41.54 | CIA-22 | 03celellach * r49277 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/burningcrusade.en.lua: |
| 11:41.54 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
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| 12:04.12 | LuckyLuciano | hi - is there a problem with Recount? was doing a run last night, and it did not want to seem to work - kept dropping errors every time I clicked on the frame, and didn't display anything whatsoever. Also, anytime I try to open Niagra atm it's just giving me errors too. |
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| 12:04.41 | Nargiddley | Update niagara, that one was fixed an hour or so ago |
| 12:04.44 | LuckyLuciano | actually, forget about niagra for now, seems theres an update to download, I'll try that first :) |
| 12:04.50 | LuckyLuciano | yeah, thanks, just noticed :) |
| 12:05.12 | LuckyLuciano | but the problems with Recount; anyone else had this issue? |
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| 12:08.10 | vhaarr | LuckyLuciano: do you have Parser-4.0? |
| 12:08.16 | vhaarr | LibParser-4.0, that is |
| 12:09.59 | LuckyLuciano | don't think so |
| 12:10.06 | vhaarr | okay nevermind then |
| 12:10.14 | LuckyLuciano | just looking sec |
| 12:10.34 | Jazradel | when did pareser 4.0 come out? |
| 12:10.46 | LuckyLuciano | yeah i do |
| 12:10.56 | vhaarr | LuckyLuciano: make sure it's up to date |
| 12:11.01 | vhaarr | and try disabling it |
| 12:11.01 | LuckyLuciano | LibParser-4.0 |
| 12:11.16 | LuckyLuciano | according to Wau2 there aren't any newer versions of it, I'll disable and see if that helps |
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| 12:14.48 | CIA-22 | 03dotted * r49278 10Recap/ (17 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 12:14.48 | CIA-22 | Recap 3.72: |
| 12:14.48 | CIA-22 | - Maximum number of recent events recorded increased to 5000. |
| 12:14.48 | CIA-22 | - Added an option (default off) to not store data for combatants who are not |
| 12:14.48 | CIA-22 | displayed. That is, with the appropriate other options set you can store data |
| 12:14.49 | CIA-22 | for the player only (plus pet), the group only, or friendly players only. Using |
| 12:14.53 | CIA-22 | this option is not recommended unless you are desperate to save computer memory. |
| 12:16.13 | LuckyLuciano | mmm disabled lib-parser4.0 and still getting errors, is there anywhere I can paste a report of them? |
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| 12:18.20 | Industrial | run to the hiiiiills! run for your liiiiiiife! |
| 12:19.48 | charon | ~flee |
| 12:19.49 | purl | ACTION runs away screaming |
| 12:19.49 | [dRaCo] | LuckyLuciano: ace.pastey.net |
| 12:20.01 | Industrial | iron maiden \m/ >_< \m/ |
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| 12:28.32 | Nickenyfiken | Hehe |
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| 12:31.01 | Elzarath | Is it possible to view other guild members recipe lists under their professions in game? |
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| 12:32.11 | alcohol | how would I get all my buffs (or those of my target) to display as bars with timers ? |
| 12:32.26 | charon | alcohol: ElkBuffBars |
| 12:32.34 | charon | does both in fact |
| 12:32.36 | Nickenyfiken | Possible if everyone have a addon that share that information |
| 12:34.03 | alcohol | ? |
| 12:34.19 | alcohol | Nickenyfiken: what's so different about your cartographer trainers addon ? |
| 12:34.37 | Elzarath | Nikenyfiken: so like Uniuploader could handle that |
| 12:35.05 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 12:35.11 | Nickenyfiken | alcohol: Different icons for different type of trainers i guess is the only difference. |
| 12:35.26 | Nickenyfiken | Elzarath: What is Uniuploader? |
| 12:36.13 | Elzarath | a guild mod with shared banks/calanders etc |
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| 12:36.56 | Adirelle|Work | Elzarath: that's more a in-game addon + an external tool to upload the saved data to a website |
| 12:37.10 | Atlsa | suggestions to rock, where are those posted? (forum -> Framework -> Rock?) |
| 12:38.05 | Adirelle|Work | Nickenyfiken: it was primarily used to maintain online guild rosters, kinda what armory does now |
| 12:38.33 | Nickenyfiken | ok |
| 12:38.48 | Nickenyfiken | Well any addon can share that kind of information but it requires that everyone have it installed. |
| 12:38.56 | Adirelle|Work | unless that the addons and the webapp allowed to show known recipes and eventually bag contents |
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| 12:40.08 | cncfanatics | Atlsa, jira or wiki prolly |
| 12:42.39 | Elzarath | kk thnx, so it looks like it could be done. Our GM programs so I'm gonna see what he can do |
| 12:44.55 | Adirelle|Work | Elzarath: take a look at craftlist2 |
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| 13:00.33 | Elzarath | Adirelle|Work: thnx! I'll load that up tonight after work and see what all it does. Im trying to get the guild 2 move to aced addons but im the noob 2 the guild |
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| 13:05.46 | |Stan| | mmm :/ need general settings for ElkBuffBars :( |
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| 13:08.16 | CIA-22 | .Babble-Spell-2.2 : |
| 13:08.16 | CIA-22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.06 | cncfanatics | ~seen Cyrez |
| 13:11.09 | purl | cyrez is currently on #wowace. Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 1d 16h 2m 4s, last said: 'I'm loving the new config UI.'. |
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| 13:11.39 | |Stan| | ~seen Elkano |
| 13:11.41 | purl | elkano <n=elkano@ip-213-135-2-190.handshake.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 18h 36m ago, saying: 'I think the main problem is that people who used to code back in that days tend to go with "now there is plenty of power for computations around, no need to be gentle"...'. |
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| 13:12.16 | cncfanatics | god, pidgin is fucked |
| 13:12.39 | sb_ | mh works fine for me |
| 13:12.53 | |Stan| | 2.2.0 is pretty good now |
| 13:16.57 | cncfanatics | sb_, Its not recoring irc color codes |
| 13:17.00 | cncfanatics | its displaying them as is |
| 13:17.07 | cncfanatics | which makes purl & cia look nasty |
| 13:17.20 | sb | oh okay, using only icq, gmail (jabber) and msn |
| 13:17.25 | baer_ | btw, is recap > swstats? |
| 13:18.09 | sb | is apple > steak? :/ |
| 13:18.19 | baer_ | definately not, sb. :-} |
| 13:18.21 | nevcarrriel | steak > apple |
| 13:18.22 | cncfanatics | nooooo, steak > apple big time |
| 13:18.35 | sb | mh... |
| 13:18.41 | baer_ | since apple is without meat, apple < steak. |
| 13:18.42 | sb | *sigh* :) yes ;) |
| 13:18.43 | arrrrrrrt3mis | depends if yer a vegan hippie ;) |
| 13:19.00 | baer_ | i eat vegans, too. :-p |
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| 13:19.40 | Adirelle|Work | cncfanatics: not trouble with purl/cia and pidgin 2.2 here |
| 13:20.44 | Adirelle|Work | though I disable incoming style |
| 13:20.47 | Adirelle|Work | let's test |
| 13:20.53 | Adirelle|Work | ~seen kaelten |
| 13:20.54 | purl | kaelten <n=kaelten@adsl-76-251-95-6.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 13h 14m 53s ago, saying: '?'. |
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| 13:21.14 | cncfanatics | doesnt work for me |
| 13:21.20 | cncfanatics | I see lots of stupid chars |
| 13:21.25 | cncfanatics | like & and # |
| 13:21.36 | cncfanatics | ~seen Adirelle |
| 13:21.37 | purl | adirelle <n=gperreal@tok69-5-82-235-150-60.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 37d 15h 13m 49s ago, saying: '~framexml'. |
| 13:21.47 | cncfanatics | with disabling incoming styles same effect |
| 13:23.24 | Adirelle|Work | well, I reenabled them, doesn't have any effect either |
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| 13:25.41 | cncfanatics | weird |
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| 13:25.47 | cncfanatics | why can't I see them correctly then fucking crap |
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| 13:35.38 | CIA-22 | Babble-2.2: |
| 13:35.38 | CIA-22 | - Spell: updated zhTW |
| 13:37.19 | Pkekyo|zZz | g'morning all :) |
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| 13:38.20 | cncfanatics | yo |
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| 13:39.38 | Pkekyo | anything fun happening? |
| 13:39.46 | [gk]Hotphoenix | in pitbull if you go to import a layout the window that pops up to enter the text is underneath the rock config |
| 13:40.19 | [dRaCo] | havent seen anyone flame ckk for breaking some addon for a while |
| 13:40.25 | [dRaCo] | something's wrong. |
| 13:40.40 | Pkekyo | [dRaCo]: I was about to say that, but I figured it'd be better to leave it be :p |
| 13:41.00 | Pkekyo | someone reroll a high-level char on bloodfeather eu and help me with this goddamn quest plx :> |
| 13:41.01 | [dRaCo] | he's not here ;) |
| 13:41.11 | cncfanatics | Pkekyo, u can reroll on kazzak with me if u want :) |
| 13:41.27 | Pkekyo | [dRaCo]: I know, but the endless whining get tiresome... |
| 13:41.36 | Pkekyo | cncfanatics: a bit too fond of my guild |
| 13:41.46 | Pkekyo | been playing with some of them since EU release |
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| 13:43.46 | cncfanatics | lucky you, my old guild disbanded over TBC |
| 13:44.31 | Hjalte | cncfanatics, you're on kazzak? |
| 13:44.40 | Pkekyo | cncfanatics: my original guild did too, then reformed, then the original GM quit and some cunt got in charge somehow, ruined the guild completely.... |
| 13:44.40 | Pkekyo | so some of the disgruntled old-school members formed <Cult of the Frisky Goat> instead :) |
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| 13:45.08 | mastashog | great guild name |
| 13:45.35 | kenlyric | I like Endless Whining. |
| 13:46.46 | mastashog | kenlyric: I am not able to get onscreenhealth playerinformation ionto to right side of my screen ;-/ |
| 13:47.15 | kenlyric | ok |
| 13:47.37 | kenlyric | so, I wonder who you think I am? :) |
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| 13:48.34 | mastashog | oh, i just wanted to present some random whining to entertain you |
| 13:48.51 | cncfanatics | Hjalte, Kazzak EU, rerolled a few days ago there |
| 13:49.01 | cncfanatics | ur on kazzak ? :o |
| 13:49.14 | Hjalte | I've got my "main" and a warrior, both 70, there. |
| 13:49.20 | ramoz | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7231-Align.html hello worlds best addon ever |
| 13:49.25 | cncfanatics | Hjalte, horde ? |
| 13:49.30 | Hjalte | Alliance :) |
| 13:49.31 | Matrix110 | go away from Kazzak-.- |
| 13:49.36 | Matrix110 | its my server |
| 13:49.41 | cncfanatics | another one :o |
| 13:49.45 | cncfanatics | horde or ally Matrix ? |
| 13:49.52 | Matrix110 | But compared to 80% of the server iam there since 1.may |
| 13:49.54 | cncfanatics | Hjalte, whats ur nick ? i'll make sure to gank ya at 70 |
| 13:49.56 | Matrix110 | ally |
| 13:50.02 | cncfanatics | Matrix, same question to you |
| 13:50.04 | Pkekyo | mastashog: agreed! |
| 13:50.14 | Hjalte | cncfanatics, It's... Hjalte :P And my warrior is Insecure. But i rarely pvp ;) |
| 13:50.19 | Matrix110 | you never see me anyway iam in IF only |
| 13:50.27 | Matrix110 | and infront of SSC/TK/HYjal/BT summoning |
| 13:50.30 | cncfanatics | Hjalte, its a pvp server :p |
| 13:50.40 | cncfanatics | Matrix110; can gank you there ? |
| 13:50.41 | Hjalte | cncfanatics, not in shattrah :D |
| 13:50.44 | cncfanatics | or heck, i'm a rogue, i'll come gank ya in IF |
| 13:50.46 | Matrix110 | yes |
| 13:50.53 | Matrix110 | but well iam not alone there then:P |
| 13:51.47 | mark4__ | has anyone here had a problem with dps meters where it permanantly attaches itself to your mouse pointer and you can no longer point or click on anything else? |
| 13:52.03 | Matrix110 | lock the window |
| 13:52.09 | mark4__ | no |
| 13:52.28 | cncfanatics | mark4__, relog ? |
| 13:52.29 | Hjalte | Does anyone know if it is possible to have KC_Items but not see the sell-to-vendor price? |
| 13:52.32 | mark4__ | yes that works |
| 13:52.51 | mark4__ | but i would say thats a serious bug. your in the middle of an instance, at the last boss and... you wipe because you cant do shit |
| 13:53.00 | Hjalte | syeren, how did your UI end up looking? |
| 13:53.26 | mark4__ | dps meters is gone |
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| 13:53.30 | cncfanatics | mark4__, keybindings ? |
| 13:53.40 | mark4__ | eh? |
| 13:53.58 | mark4__ | my mouse pointer grabbed onto the dps meters window and would not let go |
| 13:54.07 | mark4__ | only way to fix is to log |
| 13:54.27 | Gandharva | Hjalte: Delete the KC_SellValues folder inside KC_Items |
| 13:54.28 | dylanm | mark4__: You tried to grab it or it just attached randomly? |
| 13:54.29 | genetik- | reloading your ui didn't work? |
| 13:54.50 | mark4__ | must have clicked it somehow but wasnt intending to do so |
| 13:54.52 | dylanm | mark4__: Or perhaps some other interaction? |
| 13:54.54 | arrrrrrrt3mis | mark4__: its happened to me but not jst with damage meter windows, its a random occurrance that it happens, only real way is to either doa quick /rl or alt-f4 restart.. if i remember right it only effects clicking so yer hotkeys and macros would still function |
| 13:55.00 | Hjalte | Gandharva, thanks, had just come to the conclusion that i needed to go and delete something myself :) |
| 13:55.08 | Gandharva | hehe |
| 13:55.23 | Matrix110 | mark4__ its a wow bug i guess its there since game start with loads of mods even happend to me with Blizzard frames |
| 13:55.31 | mark4__ | is that a bug in wow or in the addon |
| 13:55.35 | Matrix110 | just locking the window helps |
| 13:55.38 | arrrrrrrt3mis | its an addon bug |
| 13:55.47 | mark4__ | aha. has anyone ever reported it to wow? |
| 13:55.47 | arrrrrrrt3mis | but its nota sepcific addon that causes it |
| 13:55.58 | LAG|Domo | Anyone here from Runetotem(EU)? |
| 13:55.59 | arrrrrrrt3mis | specific |
| 13:56.05 | arrrrrrrt3mis | it just happens ;P |
| 13:56.11 | Matrix110 | arrrrrrrt3mis even the Blizzard Battlemap does it sometimes |
| 13:56.16 | arrrrrrrt3mis | yup |
| 13:56.21 | mark4__ | i do not want my dps meters window locked |
| 13:56.23 | mark4__ | ok? |
| 13:56.25 | arrrrrrrt3mis | its damn near impossible to reproduce too |
| 13:56.43 | mark4__ | enforcing one user preference over another is not an acceptable bug fix |
| 13:56.55 | mark4__ | not that you are responsible for the bug |
| 13:57.22 | arrrrrrrt3mis | mark4__: if it happens again use the /slash commands to lock it where it is to free the mouse pointer |
| 13:57.35 | arrrrrrrt3mis | then once yer mousey is free unlock and move it |
| 13:57.39 | mark4__ | dont know them lol |
| 13:57.56 | arrrrrrrt3mis | it "might" be a case of secure and non secure frames being unaccessible during combat |
| 13:58.13 | dylanm | arrrrrrrt3mis: That's what I always figured. |
| 13:58.15 | arrrrrrrt3mis | sorta like how if you log into the game and are in combat yer UF's sometimes dotn show up |
| 13:58.16 | mark4__ | wish they had used forth instead of xml and lua |
| 13:58.59 | dylanm | mark4__: Dear Lord why |
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| 13:59.17 | mark4__ | forth is readable |
| 13:59.23 | cncfanatics | mark4__, lua is readable |
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| 13:59.32 | mark4__ | looks obfuscated to me :) |
| 13:59.37 | mark4__ | then again. i hate c too |
| 13:59.40 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 13:59.42 | cncfanatics | lua is readable |
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| 14:00.09 | Nickenyfiken | lua and c is unreadable |
| 14:00.11 | Nickenyfiken | haha |
| 14:00.35 | cncfanatics | I think every language is readable as long as the coder does some effort tbh |
| 14:00.35 | dylanm | mark4__: I do appreciate the RPN usage, though |
| 14:00.45 | mark4__ | its all ablout function grown hormone imbalance syntrome |
| 14:00.48 | mark4__ | syndrome |
| 14:01.00 | mark4__ | most people who code C dont know jack shit about writing good code |
| 14:01.27 | Nickenyfiken | Uh well that depends on how they write it, not on the langauge |
| 14:01.52 | mark4__ | ive not looked enough at lua to know yet weather its users suffer the same problems but if the avarage function size of an LUA function is greater than 10 lines of code then i dont think much of it either :/ |
| 14:02.22 | mark4__ | im a heretic tho |
| 14:02.23 | Nickenyfiken | You are confusing things |
| 14:02.30 | mark4__ | no. im not |
| 14:02.48 | mark4__ | if i know hwat ur gona say tho |
| 14:02.51 | cncfanatics | mark4__, eh, what does the numbers of lines in a damn function have to do with how good a language is ? |
| 14:02.57 | charon | mark4__: i don't know about yours, but my brain can't emulate a stack to any useful depth, and well, i programmed on HP calculators for a few years :) |
| 14:02.58 | mark4__ | its not the languages fault its users are poor |
| 14:03.00 | cncfanatics | thats TOTALY user practice and has totaly nothing to do with the language |
| 14:03.00 | cryogen | 15:01 < mark4__> most people who code C dont know jack shit about writing good |
| 14:03.00 | cryogen | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.02 | cryogen | s/C// |
| 14:03.12 | Nickenyfiken | Who cares about lines? I can write a full fledged program in one line in many languages... but it won't be very readable |
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| 14:03.22 | dylanm | mark4__: I'd beg to differ if we're talking straight C. The people who resort to C these days are generally pretty experienced folks who need the performance. |
| 14:03.27 | mark4__ | charon lol dont TRY to evaluate to anything greater than THREE |
| 14:03.31 | mark4__ | maybe 4 |
| 14:04.06 | charon | i rest my case. |
| 14:04.17 | mark4__ | keep the parameters to a minimum. keep the functionality of a fucntion to a minimum. keep the function size to a minimum |
| 14:04.26 | mark4__ | keep it simple stupid |
| 14:04.39 | mark4__ | yea. whatever |
| 14:04.58 | mark4__ | show me a c compiler that can compile 3 megs of source code per second on any machine |
| 14:05.25 | mark4__ | show me a c curses library thats less thn 500k in size (my forth curses replacement is 4k in size) |
| 14:06.57 | dylanm | Hell I'd rather code everything in lisp but we're stuck with what we have. You can be productive in most any environment. |
| 14:07.31 | mark4__ | erm. actually i disagree there too. productive means producing in the smallest time possible without cutting corners of course |
| 14:07.36 | clad|away | no |
| 14:07.38 | clad|away | that's your goal |
| 14:07.40 | clad|away | not a universal one |
| 14:07.51 | clad|away | if the code isn't readable, in most cases its useless |
| 14:08.01 | mark4__ | development time in forth is also orders of magnitude faster than in c |
| 14:08.05 | mark4__ | agreed! |
| 14:08.06 | clad|away | great, so use it |
| 14:08.08 | mark4__ | absolutely agreed |
| 14:08.09 | clad|away | :P |
| 14:08.18 | dylanm | mark4__: Show me your curses lib. I'd be curious to read some Forth. |
| 14:08.20 | clad|away | and by the way, I write clean, readable code in whatever language I use |
| 14:08.28 | nevcarrriel | lies |
| 14:08.30 | Josh_Blackbeard | clad|away: lies! |
| 14:08.32 | Josh_Blackbeard | ;-P |
| 14:08.32 | cncfanatics | same, at least thats my opinion :p |
| 14:08.34 | mark4__ | isforth.clss.net |
| 14:08.34 | dylanm | I have never, ever heard anyone praise it so much. |
| 14:08.48 | Josh_Blackbeard | actually, i had a lot of fun poking at clad's code |
| 14:08.49 | mark4__ | full source code to my linux forht compiler and all the extensions |
| 14:08.50 | cncfanatics | code readability has TOTALY NOTHING to do with the language |
| 14:09.00 | Josh_Blackbeard | it was very accessible |
| 14:09.02 | cryogen | cncfanatics: thats not 100% true |
| 14:09.05 | nevcarrriel | there are languages, like perl, that are unreadable by design |
| 14:09.05 | nevcarrriel | :P |
| 14:09.05 | Josh_Blackbeard | which is scary, since i know my code isn't now |
| 14:09.08 | Josh_Blackbeard | which makes me said |
| 14:09.09 | dylanm | lolcat |
| 14:09.10 | cryogen | cncfanatics: *cough* brainfuck *cough* |
| 14:09.13 | Josh_Blackbeard | s/ai/a/ |
| 14:09.20 | clad|away | nevcarrriel: if you use them in the unreadable ways, but yes :P |
| 14:09.23 | Josh_Blackbeard | i hate you clad|away for opening my eyes! |
| 14:09.33 | clad|away | you can take long-cuts around to make things easier for everyone involved |
| 14:09.34 | cryogen | lolcat is the way forward |
| 14:09.36 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, u can write readable perl if u make the effort though |
| 14:09.41 | clad|away | cncfanatics: indeed. |
| 14:09.42 | dylanm | cryogen: Isn't it though? |
| 14:09.48 | cryogen | of course it is |
| 14:09.49 | mark4__ | cnc i disagree. for instance, brainfuck. totally unreadable language therefor code is difficult to maintain. |
| 14:09.49 | dylanm | Man I kinda love perl. No lie. |
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| 14:10.04 | cncfanatics | mark4__, again, with some effort u can write readable code in it |
| 14:10.12 | nevcarrriel | with brainfuck? |
| 14:10.14 | nevcarrriel | foget it |
| 14:10.15 | nevcarrriel | +r |
| 14:10.24 | Josh_Blackbeard | cncfanatics, mark4__: LOLCODE is not readable ;-) |
| 14:10.25 | cryogen | "with some effort" if that's necessary, the language sucks |
| 14:10.27 | mark4__ | c encourages bad coding imho - it discourages properly factored code. it encourages nssting to the umpteenth level because to factor it out makes it slow |
| 14:10.36 | mark4__ | whitespace :) |
| 14:10.43 | cryogen | strongly disagree |
| 14:10.52 | mark4__ | cryogen agree and disogreed |
| 14:10.53 | nevcarrriel | i like c *shrug* |
| 14:10.54 | cryogen | it seems *you* do not know how to write proper C code |
| 14:10.57 | Josh_Blackbeard | nevcarrriel: me too |
| 14:10.58 | cncfanatics | well, brainfuck & lolcode are exceptions then, but their name says so :p |
| 14:11.01 | clad|away | meh, as long as you realize all of these are _opinions_ then we're fine |
| 14:11.10 | clad|away | otherwise its just rabid uneducated fanboi-ism |
| 14:11.16 | Josh_Blackbeard | i'll fanboi you |
| 14:11.19 | cryogen | clad the voice of reason |
| 14:11.24 | cryogen | wait, wasnt i supposed to be working? |
| 14:11.27 | nevcarrriel | we've come to use that fanboi word alot these days |
| 14:11.29 | Josh_Blackbeard | same cryogen |
| 14:11.32 | Josh_Blackbeard | bye bye |
| 14:11.41 | Josh_Blackbeard | clad stopped talking like a pirate ;-P |
| 14:12.22 | clad|away | I've been teachin' 'puter programmin' fer 8 years now in various situations.. 'n yer opinions on readability are more th' result o' th' scallywag codin', than th' language. |
| 14:13.00 | cncfanatics | clad, if u want to talk like that please shut up -.- |
| 14:13.01 | clad|away | Sure, some languages inherently encourage bad practices.. 'n others encourage specific good practices, but thar ain't a silver bullet. Th' scallywag be th' decidin' factor in most cases. |
| 14:13.02 | mark4__ | clad my opinions of C are based on 10+ years as a contract software engineer |
| 14:13.12 | clad|away | mark4__: Great, so you had bad experiences. |
| 14:13.15 | clad|away | you can write clean C code. |
| 14:13.32 | clad|away | again, as long as you recognize that these are your opinions, and not universal truths, I think we can all move on. |
| 14:13.45 | mark4__ | 10 years worth :) |
| 14:13.58 | clad|away | And? |
| 14:14.18 | mark4__ | ive seen very LITTLE of what i would call well written C code. |
| 14:14.20 | clad|away | I've been wiping my ass since I was 1, but my opinions about it are still my opinions. |
| 14:14.25 | mark4__ | i say that has to be the languages fault |
| 14:14.26 | clad|away | what you would call |
| 14:14.27 | clad|away | hence opinion |
| 14:14.37 | clad|away | or you have unrealistic expectations from a language. |
| 14:14.46 | clad|away | or you're looking for forth where there is none |
| 14:14.52 | Industriarrr | mark4__: we say that that's bullshit :D (i do anyway) |
| 14:14.57 | Wobin_ | PS I hope you've gotten relatively good at the arse wiping after all those years of practice =) |
| 14:14.59 | kenlyric | well-written, or well-indented? |
| 14:15.14 | clad|away | Wobin_: :P |
| 14:15.53 | cryogen | D is the future(as well as lolcat) |
| 14:16.11 | dylanm | CAN HAS STDIO? |
| 14:16.12 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.13 | nevcarrriel | D looks really great |
| 14:16.24 | cryogen | the most important thing is getting the right tool for the job |
| 14:16.28 | clad|away | mark4__: flashing your credentials doesn't make your opinion any more fact in this channel, or any other. There are some universal truths, and one of them is the separation of opinion and fact. Continue to state things as fact, and people will argue with you. State your opinions, make them known, and move on. |
| 14:16.46 | clad|away | I'm not shitting on your experience by any means |
| 14:17.01 | cryogen | . o O(anyone else find all the toilet references strange?) |
| 14:17.02 | clad|away | you clearly have opinions based on everything you've seen over the past ten years |
| 14:17.07 | clad|away | but they're opinions |
| 14:17.20 | clad|away | cryogen: its national talk in the bathroom day! |
| 14:17.24 | cryogen | i see |
| 14:17.29 | cryogen | i thought you just really had to go or something |
| 14:17.33 | clad|away | (i am not in the bathroom) |
| 14:17.36 | clad|away | nor do i need to go |
| 14:17.40 | cryogen | :) |
| 14:17.53 | clad|away | i do, however, need to finish packing |
| 14:17.55 | clad|away | because i move in three days |
| 14:17.57 | clad|away | *eek* |
| 14:18.01 | Industriarrr | yay |
| 14:18.02 | Industriarrr | er |
| 14:18.04 | Industriarrr | yarrr! |
| 14:18.09 | cryogen | why the hell would you want to come here though? |
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| 14:18.29 | Industriarrr | how is it not better then the US |
| 14:18.37 | arrrrrrrt3mis | its simple he likes us better than his clothing and stuff ;P |
| 14:18.40 | Wobin_ | Better flush toilets? |
| 14:18.45 | cncfanatics | hmmm, clad, moving to where from there? |
| 14:18.50 | clad|away | us to england |
| 14:19.00 | cncfanatics | good guy |
| 14:19.02 | cryogen | odd thing to do! |
| 14:19.03 | cncfanatics | EU win |
| 14:19.06 | Wobin_ | Maybe he has a craving for a pukka curry |
| 14:19.16 | cncfanatics | clad, if u ever play wow on eu servers use kazzak pvp |
| 14:19.20 | cncfanatics | horde ofc :p |
| 14:19.22 | clad|away | cryogen: not really, when my school is in England |
| 14:19.26 | Industriarrr | no, vashj! |
| 14:19.26 | clad|away | cncfanatics: I'll keep that in mind |
| 14:19.35 | Industriarrr | :D |
| 14:19.44 | Hjalte | Kazzak seems to be a nice realm, if you want to raid etc |
| 14:19.47 | cryogen | what do you teach? |
| 14:19.58 | clad|away | cryogen: computer science |
| 14:20.03 | Punkie` | cncfanatics: I never knew you were on kazzak :P |
| 14:20.04 | cryogen | at what level? |
| 14:20.06 | clad|away | working on my PhD while teaching for the next 4-5 years at oxford |
| 14:20.07 | Industriarrr | cryogen: urmom LOL |
| 14:20.17 | cryogen | ahha |
| 14:20.17 | cryogen | cool |
| 14:20.18 | Industriarrr | </humor> |
| 14:20.28 | cryogen | then it makes a little more sense |
| 14:20.48 | clad|away | when you get paid to go to one of the top 3 universities in the world for your D. Phil, you go :P |
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| 14:21.03 | cryogen | :) |
| 14:21.03 | cncfanatics | Punkie thats cuz I rerolled on it 3 days ago probably |
| 14:21.07 | clad|away | alright folks.. back to the boxes and baggage.. I'll be in and out for most of the day. |
| 14:21.08 | Matrix110 | giev 2.3 |
| 14:21.13 | cryogen | cambridge is a nicer city though! |
| 14:21.13 | Matrix110 | imba new UI features |
| 14:21.16 | cncfanatics | clad, omg, u might be my teacher in a few years ? |
| 14:21.20 | Matrix110 | no 15min auctioneer scan anymore will be so imba |
| 14:21.22 | cncfanatics | who knows :p |
| 14:21.24 | Industriarrr | cncfanatics: no! go vashj alliance! I play there :O |
| 14:21.29 | cncfanatics | starting university next year, dunno where i'll go yet |
| 14:21.33 | cryogen | Matrix110: whats in 2.3 that makes auctioneer faster? |
| 14:21.37 | Matrix110 | sec |
| 14:21.44 | cncfanatics | cryogen, the ability to get all auctions at once |
| 14:21.47 | Matrix110 | Auction API Changes |
| 14:21.47 | cryogen | win! |
| 14:21.48 | Matrix110 | QueryAuctionItems |
| 14:21.48 | Matrix110 | - New argument (bool), setting it to true will retrieve all auction house data (not just 50 items). This can only be used once every 15 minutes. This is intended to reduce our load from add-ons such as auctioneer that are going to download the entire auction house anyways. |
| 14:21.48 | cncfanatics | instead of 50 at the time |
| 14:21.50 | Pkekyo | Combustion a good talent at lvl 40? |
| 14:22.10 | cncfanatics | Pkekyo, its a burst talent |
| 14:22.10 | cryogen | givf that now |
| 14:22.16 | Matrix110 | idd |
| 14:22.21 | cncfanatics | Punkie`, ur horde or ally on kazzak ? |
| 14:22.25 | Matrix110 | alliance |
| 14:22.26 | Punkie` | alliance |
| 14:22.27 | Matrix110 | rogue |
| 14:22.29 | Matrix110 | he ganks you |
| 14:22.36 | Wobin_ | Matrix110: woo win |
| 14:22.39 | cncfanatics | rogue here |
| 14:22.41 | cncfanatics | horde ofc |
| 14:22.46 | cryogen | tempted to move to kazzak |
| 14:22.47 | Matrix110 | i bet orc |
| 14:22.51 | cryogen | dont know anyone there though |
| 14:22.54 | cryogen | this is both a good and a bad thing |
| 14:23.00 | Matrix110 | the class that just shouldnt be able to be rogue... |
| 14:23.02 | Punkie` | people should stop coming to our server :P |
| 14:23.05 | cncfanatics | cryogen, it seems like a nice server, really |
| 14:23.11 | Matrix110 | no its bad |
| 14:23.13 | Matrix110 | dont come |
| 14:23.17 | Punkie` | it's not like people are going to get a guild |
| 14:23.18 | Matrix110 | we get queues soon-.- |
| 14:23.19 | cncfanatics | I'm prolly making a guild when i'm 70, don't like how most guilds work |
| 14:23.21 | Matrix110 | thanks to all migrators |
| 14:23.25 | Matrix110 | and we got lag issues |
| 14:23.26 | Pkekyo | cncfanatics: sooo...should I get it, or go for something else? |
| 14:23.29 | Matrix110 | long BG queues |
| 14:23.30 | Elfire | o_O that's nice for Auctioneer |
| 14:23.33 | Matrix110 | random DCing |
| 14:23.34 | cryogen | we should make a guild! |
| 14:23.36 | Matrix110 | alot of russians! |
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| 14:23.41 | Matrix110 | tradechat is basically russian |
| 14:23.50 | Punkie` | Matrix110: Are you Erestor btw? :p |
| 14:23.51 | Industriarrr | instafail |
| 14:23.52 | cryogen | Matrix110: you are not alone in most of those aspects, its not a high pop issue :) |
| 14:23.54 | cncfanatics | Pkekyo, what other choices u got ? |
| 14:23.58 | Matrix110 | yes Punkie` |
| 14:24.04 | Elfire | Auctioneer should be nerfed though, now every fucker is using it it's impossible to snap up any bargains unless you're awake at 4am or whatever |
| 14:24.30 | Matrix110 | Elfire thats true was such a nice thing in the early 60s when it came out |
| 14:24.39 | Elfire | aye those were the days |
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| 14:25.10 | Matrix110 | but what auctioneer misses is a setting for the fontsize |
| 14:25.18 | Matrix110 | pain with lower UI scale than 1 |
| 14:25.25 | Matrix110 | atleast auc advance |
| 14:25.30 | Pkekyo | cncfanatics: I've filled up Imp. Fireball, Fame Throwing, 3/3 Ignite, Incineration, Pyro, Burning Soul, Imp. Scorch, Master of Elements, Critical Mass, Blast Wave, Fire Power |
| 14:25.36 | Elfire | strangely I was awake at 4am... trying to get my bastard PitBull/Banzai to stop causing errors... but still no AH steals |
| 14:25.38 | Punkie` | I liked the auction house better before auctioneer was out :P |
| 14:25.44 | Industriarrr | Pkekyo: gogo wowhead talent calc link. |
| 14:25.47 | cncfanatics | Combustion is a good thing then Pkekyo, nothing better to get really |
| 14:25.51 | Punkie` | because if you were smart you could actually make profits :P |
| 14:26.01 | cncfanatics | u still can punkie |
| 14:26.03 | Matrix110 | with Auctioneer that worked for 2years aswell:P |
| 14:26.06 | Punkie` | now everyone just has some alt bottomscanning for hours |
| 14:26.10 | arrrrrrrt3mis | cept you dont have to be smart ;P |
| 14:26.11 | cryogen | i use auctioneer more to make sure im not giving other people those bargains |
| 14:26.16 | cryogen | than trying to make them myself |
| 14:26.19 | Matrix110 | Our gem market on Kazzak is/was dominated by a few players aswell:P |
| 14:26.30 | Punkie` | yep |
| 14:26.34 | Matrix110 | 1 of em quitted and has 40k gold:P |
| 14:26.41 | cncfanatics | Matrix110, eek |
| 14:26.45 | cncfanatics | oh, but thats ally side |
| 14:26.45 | cncfanatics | nvm |
| 14:26.49 | Punkie` | who, Shai? |
| 14:26.52 | arrrrrrrt3mis | mmmm Buckley's Cough mixture |
| 14:26.53 | Matrix110 | shanral |
| 14:27.00 | Punkie` | oh yeah |
| 14:27.01 | Pkekyo | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oZxGMzfccox my current build |
| 14:27.07 | arrrrrrrt3mis | it tastes awful but it works. |
| 14:27.09 | Matrix110 | Shai didnt play TBC that much |
| 14:27.13 | Punkie` | I know |
| 14:27.32 | Punkie` | There was some awesome drama because of him in Auxilia :p |
| 14:27.55 | Matrix110 | when guardians disbanded pre tbc? |
| 14:28.02 | Punkie` | yes |
| 14:28.14 | Matrix110 | we had enough drama because of him aswell:P |
| 14:28.22 | Matrix110 | we were killing Dragons with Guardians together for sometime |
| 14:28.32 | Matrix110 | then lootwhore Shai complained |
| 14:28.38 | Punkie` | oh, then he took some resistance item or so? |
| 14:28.44 | Recluse | when setting up a fubar toggle, get="IsFunc", set="ToggleFunc" - is there another form with which you can pass parameters? |
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| 14:29.22 | cncfanatics | Pkekyo, get combust |
| 14:29.48 | Matrix110 | nah it was smth like: we killed a dragon guardians had ~30ppl apo 10 then he said we roll who gets firstpick and we won and took the NR cloak(everyone wanted it at that time for AQ) and then he started bitching even though he wanted to roll on it:P |
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| 14:30.34 | Punkie` | ah yeah, I remember now |
| 14:30.46 | Pkekyo | The cloth reputation quests...at what level do they become repeatable? |
| 14:30.56 | kenlyric | 50 |
| 14:30.59 | kenlyric | for runecloth |
| 14:31.11 | Matrix110 | the cloth quests are a joke anyway |
| 14:31.16 | Pkekyo | I was thinking more of silk... |
| 14:31.22 | Matrix110 | just start a new char and you are exalted with ALL at lvl 40... |
| 14:31.25 | Pkekyo | I have fuckloads, and need UC rep so I can get my skellyhorse |
| 14:31.26 | kenlyric | and, unless you're rolling in gold, just do the starting zone quests. |
| 14:31.30 | Slakah | can do quests to get to exalted now anyway |
| 14:31.31 | kenlyric | Matrix110: lies |
| 14:31.45 | Pkekyo | Matrix110: lies! only honored :< |
| 14:31.49 | Matrix110 | our Shamans are exalted with SW/Exodar/IF |
| 14:31.54 | Matrix110 | by just doing quests |
| 14:31.56 | Matrix110 | i mean wtf |
| 14:31.57 | kenlyric | undead/BE cannot get exalted with darkspeare trolls/tauren without serious work post 40. |
| 14:32.00 | Matrix110 | i farmed Darnassus up-.- |
| 14:32.11 | Punkie` | Matrix110: Btw, don't do a search for Fel Lotus right now :p |
| 14:32.24 | Matrix110 | why should i need fel lotus |
| 14:32.26 | Pkekyo | kenlyric: what level for silk? |
| 14:32.35 | kenlyric | 30 |
| 14:32.44 | kenlyric | but you just do it once. |
| 14:32.45 | Pkekyo | awesome...I have too much silk anyways :) |
| 14:32.47 | Slakah | couldn't you just get the pvp undead skelehorse |
| 14:32.52 | Pkekyo | damnit |
| 14:32.55 | kenlyric | only runecloth is repeatable |
| 14:32.58 | Pkekyo | so only runecloth becomes repeatable? |
| 14:33.00 | Pkekyo | shite |
| 14:33.07 | Pkekyo | Slakah: not at lvl 40 :< |
| 14:33.09 | Pkekyo | need AV marks |
| 14:33.12 | kenlyric | you will find it difficult to hit exalted before 40. |
| 14:33.49 | Pkekyo | meh, guess I'll have to get that fugly blood elf mount anyways then :< |
| 14:33.53 | kenlyric | my human took until level 48 to hit exalted with darnassus. |
| 14:34.06 | kenlyric | my BE hit exalted with undercity about 46 or so. |
| 14:34.31 | kenlyric | then Org in my 50s, TB at 60, and Darkspeare at 62 (gogo Zang) |
| 14:34.53 | Pkekyo | I'm not even exalted with all the horde factions on my lvl 70 char O.o |
| 14:35.06 | Matrix110 | quests give alot more rep now |
| 14:35.18 | kenlyric | and they give it when they're grey. |
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| 14:35.43 | Pkekyo | so I shouldn't have abandoned all those grey quests...? MEH! |
| 14:36.00 | Matrix110 | to bad there is no new discount @exalted |
| 14:36.02 | kenlyric | or go back and do it. |
| 14:36.06 | Matrix110 | else i would get exalted with IF/SW |
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| 14:36.26 | kenlyric | I got exalted with IF/SW without trying. |
| 14:36.30 | kenlyric | by 60, at least. |
| 14:36.31 | Pkekyo | Matrix110: discounts? wha? |
| 14:36.42 | Matrix110 | honored=10% vendor discount |
| 14:36.44 | Pkekyo | also, how much does the lvl 40 mount+skill cost? |
| 14:36.50 | kenlyric | I could get exalted with gnomer if I went back and did dwarf/gnome starting area. |
| 14:36.58 | Slakah | 100g me thinks |
| 14:36.58 | Matrix110 | skill is like 90g i think and mount 10g orso |
| 14:37.11 | Slakah | 90 if your reveared |
| 14:37.16 | cryogen | honored* |
| 14:37.23 | kenlyric | and, you are. |
| 14:37.34 | kenlyric | you hit honored with your home faction by level 10 now. |
| 14:37.41 | Slakah | sick |
| 14:37.46 | Matrix110 | but be happy you didnt grind exalted with Darnassus before cloth turn in like somepeople did to get Tiger:P |
| 14:37.57 | kenlyric | yeah, that would be dumb. |
| 14:38.01 | Matrix110 | but atleast they still have the old tiger |
| 14:38.02 | Matrix110 | giev |
| 14:38.06 | kenlyric | It was maybe 2-3 hours of work to get my kitty mount. |
| 14:38.21 | Matrix110 | my tiger cost me ~600g of Runecloth |
| 14:38.28 | Slakah | took me far to long to get my frostwolf |
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| 14:38.41 | Slakah | at least I got my tome though. |
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| 14:38.46 | kenlyric | I still can't decide if I like the kodo or raptor more. |
| 14:38.47 | cncfanatics | how wld u grind exalted without cloth turnins ? |
| 14:38.59 | kenlyric | cncfanatics: maybe read the discussion? |
| 14:39.01 | Matrix110 | these herb thingys |
| 14:39.04 | Matrix110 | dont know them? |
| 14:39.06 | kenlyric | where we talked about this for the last 10 minutes? |
| 14:39.10 | Pkekyo | lvl 40 (blood elf), and I'm still not revered with silvermoon...meh! |
| 14:39.13 | durcyn | i farmed exalted with all five using only AV turnins |
| 14:39.16 | kadrahil | Pkekyo: um |
| 14:39.22 | kenlyric | Pkekyo: that's not uncommon. |
| 14:39.24 | durcyn | godsdamn did that take forever |
| 14:39.39 | kenlyric | silvermoon rep dies at 20. |
| 14:39.42 | kadrahil | Pkekyo: do all the quests in the blood elf starting zone, all the quests in ghostlands, and you should be exalted with tranquillien and halfway through revered with silvermoon :) |
| 14:39.45 | kadrahil | by level 20 |
| 14:39.46 | kenlyric | silvermoon was my 4th exalted. |
| 14:39.49 | Pkekyo | on my other chars I used to be revered around lvl 40 |
| 14:39.54 | kenlyric | no, 5th, I forgot about tranq |
| 14:40.05 | Pkekyo | only revered with tranquillien |
| 14:40.06 | kadrahil | yeah, i was exalted with tranq at 18 or 20 |
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| 14:40.16 | kenlyric | Pkekyo: oh, double fail. |
| 14:40.25 | kadrahil | my silvermoon rep hasn't changed a bit since i left the ghostlands halfway through revered |
| 14:40.35 | kenlyric | and it won't until you hit outlands. |
| 14:40.38 | Matrix110 | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=3781 xfew thousand to get exalted with Darnassus |
| 14:40.41 | cryogen | it's impossible to not be exalted with tranquillien |
| 14:40.44 | Matrix110 | pre cloth turn in |
| 14:40.46 | cryogen | unless you skip ALL the quests or something |
| 14:40.51 | kadrahil | kenlyric: it hasn't changed in the outlands either... |
| 14:40.56 | kenlyric | cryogen: actually, if you skip any quests. |
| 14:40.59 | Pkekyo | kenlyric: didn't do a single quest in eastern kingdoms except starting area :> |
| 14:41.00 | kadrahil | kenlyric: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-reputation.xml?r=Stormreaver&n=Kadrahil |
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| 14:41.21 | Pkekyo | leveled my belf mage in durotar, barrens etc :) |
| 14:41.26 | kadrahil | ah |
| 14:41.39 | kenlyric | kadrahil: I don't understand that. |
| 14:41.54 | kadrahil | kenlyric: neither do i ;/ |
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| 14:41.59 | kenlyric | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-reputation.xml?r=Kargath&n=Prettiest |
| 14:42.05 | kadrahil | kenlyric: there may have been some low level quests in silvermoon that i missed |
| 14:42.05 | Pkekyo | scenery in ghostlands and around silvermoon bored me terribly |
| 14:42.26 | kenlyric | Pkekyo: triple fail. |
| 14:42.35 | kenlyric | The quest rewards in BC starting areas are far superior. |
| 14:42.37 | kadrahil | really? i liked it better than boreutar and barrens |
| 14:42.46 | kenlyric | and Tranq exalted reward I kept for a long time. |
| 14:42.47 | Wobin_ | it's true |
| 14:42.48 | kadrahil | yeah, the level 20 weapons are cool |
| 14:42.52 | kadrahil | kenlyric: the cape? |
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| 14:43.07 | jiya | dumb question of day: coming off cosmos to ace add ons, and wondering if i need to dl any ace related programs to make ace adds function, and does anyone have good step by step tute link for getting a fresh install going? |
| 14:43.21 | kenlyric | http://www.wowhead.com/?faction=922 |
| 14:43.32 | Wobin_ | http://www.pvponline.com/article/3093/sun-jan-21 |
| 14:43.35 | kenlyric | maybe not the cape. |
| 14:43.57 | Wobin_ | belf levelling =P |
| 14:44.01 | kadrahil | kenlyric: wait |
| 14:44.08 | kadrahil | kenlyric: i'm only revered on this character with tranq |
| 14:44.11 | kadrahil | my mage is exalted |
| 14:44.20 | deltron | mmm that new change to auction will be nice in 2.3 I bet |
| 14:44.30 | kadrahil | deltron: what new change? |
| 14:44.41 | kadrahil | automatic normalization of all prices? |
| 14:44.52 | deltron | QueryAuctionItems |
| 14:44.52 | deltron | New argument (bool), setting it to true will retrieve all auction house data (not just 50 items). This can only be used once every 15 minutes. This is intended to reduce our load from add-ons such as auctioneer that are going to download the entire auction house anyways. |
| 14:45.10 | kadrahil | hah |
| 14:46.07 | kenlyric | every character I have I take to the BE/Draenei starting area if their class is respresent in those races. |
| 14:46.12 | kenlyric | *ed |
| 14:46.21 | kadrahil | i've never rolled a draenei |
| 14:46.26 | kadrahil | past level 4 at least. |
| 14:46.30 | Industriarrr | its not that fun |
| 14:46.39 | deltron | my draenei shaman is level 8 heh |
| 14:46.40 | kadrahil | the starting zone was cool |
| 14:46.43 | Industriarrr | mine is 22 |
| 14:46.57 | kenlyric | none of the starting areas are particularly fun the 10th time you've done them. :) |
| 14:46.57 | Industriarrr | hes my new new new new new new main |
| 14:47.01 | deltron | I only play her when my realm is down |
| 14:47.02 | Industriarrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.10 | kadrahil | sometimes i wish i could turn my macbook pro into a tablet pc for class |
| 14:47.14 | kenlyric | but it's a far better levelling curve and quest rewards. It's really silly not to go there. |
| 14:47.19 | Cartas | Haha, Industriarrr. |
| 14:47.27 | deltron | my new main is my tankadin, but guild needs my healer more :P |
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| 14:47.39 | Industriarrr | pvp! |
| 14:47.39 | kenlyric | my warlock didn't go there cause I didn't want to run halfway across the world to get there :) |
| 14:47.42 | kadrahil | deltron: i'm making a tankadin |
| 14:47.48 | kadrahil | i have two alts at 23, mage and shadow priest |
| 14:47.51 | kenlyric | and halfway back to train. |
| 14:47.54 | jiya | do i have to DL ace to make any of the add ons on the page that i want to DL work? |
| 14:48.01 | mastashog | tankadin seems to be like the vanilla feral specc |
| 14:48.04 | Industriarrr | jiya: no |
| 14:48.05 | kadrahil | jiya: no |
| 14:48.09 | jiya | ok ty |
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| 14:48.33 | kadrahil | i need to design a new UI.. i've been using the same one for months |
| 14:48.36 | xyu` | Good morning |
| 14:49.03 | xyu` | whole months? i've been using the same setup since like 1.5 |
| 14:49.09 | |Stan| | kadrahil: http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/9127/curr2va6.jpg |
| 14:49.11 | |Stan| | go copy :P |
| 14:49.15 | kadrahil | xyu`: lol |
| 14:49.34 | xyu` | I use new addons mind you, just the same layout. |
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| 14:49.40 | Industriarrr | |Stan|: damn thats pretty hot |
| 14:49.44 | Industriarrr | I like the borders |
| 14:49.50 | kenlyric | I wiped mine and started anew, once a few weeks ago and once at the beginning of TBC. they all turned out mostly the same :) |
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| 14:50.23 | Cartas | |Stan|: Nerf priest. |
| 14:50.25 | xyu` | i keep trying to make mine as minimilistic but as functional as possible |
| 14:50.26 | Industriarrr | I dont understand how people can get stuff exactly centered WITHOUT using lua :S |
| 14:50.35 | Industriarrr | xyu`: me too |
| 14:50.36 | xyu` | (i have a small resolution) 1280x1024 |
| 14:50.38 | kadrahil | xyu`: yeah, i like minimalist too |
| 14:50.42 | kadrahil | i play in 1440x900 heh |
| 14:50.44 | xyu` | which makes it hard |
| 14:50.47 | |Stan| | Industriarrr: yeah the borders are awesome |
| 14:50.47 | Josh_Blackbeard | Industriarrr: Align :-D |
| 14:50.54 | Industriarrr | Josh_Blackbeard: what? |
| 14:50.57 | |Stan| | Cartas: why? :p |
| 14:50.59 | kadrahil | wide screen gives me lots of room for addons |
| 14:51.08 | Cartas | I couldn't get away with so few keys, methinks! |
| 14:51.09 | kenlyric | I would die with only 18 buttons on the scren. |
| 14:51.18 | Josh_Blackbeard | Industriarrr: it's a mod that puts lines on your screen to make aligning stuff easier |
| 14:51.18 | xyu` | yeah i wish i had widescreen i actually like it, most people hate games on widescreen |
| 14:51.24 | kadrahil | kenlyric: SpellBinder! |
| 14:51.25 | Josh_Blackbeard | Industriarrr: Align + SnapToGrid = win |
| 14:51.28 | Cartas | They do, xyu? |
| 14:51.31 | Cartas | xyu`*! |
| 14:51.37 | kenlyric | kadrahil: but I can't see them. |
| 14:51.38 | Cartas | Who hates Widescreen gaming? :S |
| 14:51.54 | kadrahil | kenlyric: i know, i tried that once too and i had no idea what my cooldowns were :O |
| 14:52.05 | Industriarrr | Josh_Blackbeard: roger |
| 14:52.15 | kenlyric | and where are all the heals? |
| 14:52.36 | kadrahil | this girl next to me just farted in class |
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| 14:52.50 | Jiselle | lawl |
| 14:52.53 | Cartas | Useful information... |
| 14:52.54 | Jiselle | finally |
| 14:52.58 | sb | |Stan|: wtb good shadow priest :p go servertransfer :p |
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| 14:53.10 | Jiselle | uhm i need some help |
| 14:53.24 | kadrahil | just ask ;) |
| 14:53.30 | Jiselle | uhm |
| 14:53.34 | Jiselle | its about xart |
| 14:53.44 | Jiselle | i dont know how to insert custom textures |
| 14:53.48 | Jiselle | and other shits |
| 14:53.53 | Jiselle | so anyone can help me? |
| 14:53.58 | kadrahil | Jiselle: you have to replace the images in the xart addon folder with them |
| 14:54.13 | Jiselle | well hell yeah |
| 14:54.15 | Jiselle | thanks |
| 14:54.16 | Jiselle | butt... |
| 14:54.17 | Jiselle | uhm |
| 14:54.19 | xyu` | i'm interested in doing eepanel art i think that is pretty spiffy stuff. even for a minimilist |
| 14:54.28 | Industriarrr | ^ |
| 14:54.29 | kadrahil | just make another folder and back up the ones that are already there |
| 14:54.30 | xyu` | tho i suck at art, so i'll just download someone elses |
| 14:54.39 | Industriarrr | xyu`: nooo thats no fun |
| 14:54.42 | Cartas | Why not give the Hello Kitty UI a go, xyu`? |
| 14:54.42 | xyu` | haha |
| 14:54.55 | Jiselle | i need to insert custom texture for player portrait... |
| 14:54.57 | xyu` | Totally. I'm more of a Badtz Maru fan tho |
| 14:54.58 | Jiselle | can i do that |
| 14:55.02 | xyu` | so i'l go w/ the evil penguin |
| 14:55.07 | kadrahil | Jiselle: i don't know about that one |
| 14:55.45 | dylanm | Jiselle: If I'm understanding you correctly that seems to be outside the domain of XArt. |
| 14:55.54 | Jiselle | and anyone knows with what i can do that exept discord art |
| 14:56.02 | Jiselle | uhm yeh |
| 14:56.20 | dylanm | Texture for the portrait? Like... the stuff surrounding it? The circle? |
| 14:56.28 | xyu` | What's the difference between eepanels and eepanels2 (other than the name obviously) |
| 14:56.31 | Jiselle | but you are the only guys that i meet who knows somth for addons |
| 14:56.40 | Jiselle | uhm yeh |
| 14:56.45 | Jiselle | like the stuff |
| 14:56.56 | Jiselle | i have tribal texture and want to insert it |
| 14:57.39 | Jiselle | if anyone have`s idea help me pls |
| 14:58.13 | dylanm | Jiselle: Could you link this texture? |
| 14:58.32 | Jiselle | uhm i didnt upload it but ill try |
| 14:59.19 | mitch0 | that reminds me of those daemon mechanics mostly around netherstorm and blade's edge |
| 14:59.26 | mitch0 | "ooh yeah" |
| 15:00.23 | Jiselle | uhm |
| 15:00.34 | Jiselle | link site for fast upload |
| 15:01.03 | Jiselle | i found |
| 15:02.18 | Jiselle | dylanm |
| 15:02.20 | Jiselle | here |
| 15:03.24 | dylanm | Ah, good. Sorry, running a friend through SFK atm... |
| 15:04.10 | dylanm | It shouldn't be all that distracting but I'm a paladin and the killing is kinda slowwzzz. |
| 15:04.26 | Jiselle | soo |
| 15:04.30 | Jiselle | what u will say? |
| 15:04.39 | Jiselle | u know how to add it |
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| 15:04.43 | Pkekyo | yay, gz to me on lvl 40 mount...fugly bird :< |
| 15:05.02 | Jiselle | or where is the interface mpq so i can replace it with the original one |
| 15:05.06 | dylanm | I thought you were uploading this texture of yours. I'm still unclear on what you want it to do and I figured the file itself would obviate things. |
| 15:05.13 | dylanm | Oh no you don't want to do that :p |
| 15:05.21 | Jiselle | why not? |
| 15:05.23 | dylanm | Pkekyo: Grats. I replaced that thing as soon as I could :D |
| 15:05.30 | cncfanatics | not allowed |
| 15:05.43 | Jiselle | what is not allowed...? |
| 15:05.45 | dylanm | Pkekyo: Hard to inspire fear... on my spriest it's kinda okay because it's a shadowchicken. |
| 15:05.49 | Jiselle | to replace the texture? |
| 15:06.09 | TNSe | "- New argument (bool), setting it to true will retrieve all auction house data (not just 50 items). This can only be used once every 15 minutes. This is intended to reduce our load from add-ons such as auctioneer that are going to download the entire auction house anyways." |
| 15:06.10 | TNSe | lol |
| 15:06.14 | TNSe | "anyway" |
| 15:06.25 | dylanm | Jiselle: Yeah any of the Blizzard data... mostly to prevent model hacking I presume. |
| 15:06.31 | Pkekyo | dylanm: I want a skellyhorse :< |
| 15:06.38 | Jiselle | what will they do to me? |
| 15:06.43 | Jiselle | im really far far away |
| 15:06.53 | Jiselle | and im not playing in blizzard |
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| 15:06.57 | durcyn | they'll send someone over to kick you in the shins. |
| 15:06.59 | Jiselle | how they wil know? |
| 15:07.05 | durcyn | really hard. |
| 15:07.21 | Pkekyo | Jiselle: they're scanning for it, it seems :< |
| 15:07.22 | dylanm | Regardless, it's unnecessary to do that. |
| 15:07.27 | Jiselle | uf? |
| 15:07.35 | Jiselle | scanning? |
| 15:07.41 | dylanm | Did you upload this texture of yours? |
| 15:07.47 | Jiselle | nope |
| 15:07.50 | Jiselle | dont know where |
| 15:07.50 | Pkekyo | think it has something to do with that goddamn launcher of theirs |
| 15:08.01 | Jiselle | else i should done it before 2 weeks |
| 15:08.11 | Pkekyo | Jiselle: are we talking about what I think we're talking about btw? :p |
| 15:08.23 | dylanm | Jiselle: http://senduit.com |
| 15:08.44 | dylanm | I still don't know whether you're asking about a status bar texture or just the art. |
| 15:08.49 | Jiselle | uh i upload it already |
| 15:08.58 | Jiselle | well the art |
| 15:09.00 | Jiselle | only |
| 15:09.04 | Jiselle | i need to add the texture |
| 15:09.09 | Jiselle | i send it to you on private |
| 15:09.23 | Jiselle | u saw it? |
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| 15:09.42 | dylanm | To be honest if that's what you're after using Discord is really the quickest way to go... I think. |
| 15:09.59 | Jiselle | well |
| 15:10.02 | Jiselle | there is the problem |
| 15:10.03 | Jiselle | uhm |
| 15:10.08 | Jiselle | discord art didnt work |
| 15:10.12 | Jiselle | ive do all i need |
| 15:10.14 | Jiselle | tga |
| 15:10.15 | Jiselle | 32 bit |
| 15:10.25 | Jiselle | copy in dart custom textures folder |
| 15:10.30 | Jiselle | but...! |
| 15:11.13 | Xinhuan | is the sunfire enchant mats reduecd in patch 2.2? |
| 15:11.16 | Jiselle | when i enter the game and do the procedures i cant find the texture in the list...its kinda shit because im trying to import that fuckin art in my addons pack from 2-3 weeks |
| 15:11.51 | Jiselle | thats why im asking for help |
| 15:11.56 | Jiselle | else i didnt :"( |
| 15:12.10 | Jiselle | so |
| 15:13.05 | Jiselle | i dont need the quickes way |
| 15:13.07 | cncfanatics | ~seen Gagorian |
| 15:13.10 | purl | gagorian is currently on #wowace (1d 1h 59m 36s), last said: 'It doesn't do anything with tooltip placement'. |
| 15:13.17 | cncfanatics | Gagorian, ping |
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| 15:13.51 | Jiselle | i need to work so i can put it or replace it somehow with my UI-Player-portrait.bpl or tga or anything else |
| 15:13.55 | Jiselle | just to work |
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| 15:14.38 | Gagorian | cncfanatics: ! |
| 15:14.40 | dylanm | Jiselle: iirc if you add a custom texture to Discord you have to specify it by name in the configuration |
| 15:14.52 | Jiselle | uhm? |
| 15:14.53 | cncfanatics | Gagorian, did u put FB support in FB2 btw ? |
| 15:14.54 | Gagorian | cncfanatics: Yes I've been a bit lazy regarding support for FB :> |
| 15:14.58 | cncfanatics | s/btw// |
| 15:15.05 | Jiselle | how to do that dylanm? |
| 15:15.05 | cncfanatics | heh :( |
| 15:15.26 | Jiselle | it shows all other textures but non custom |
| 15:15.38 | cncfanatics | Gagorian, stable version commit out rather soon, wld be nice to have drdmg support before then |
| 15:15.39 | Jiselle | when i click on custom text window its empty |
| 15:16.08 | Jiselle | btw sorry for my bad english...:( |
| 15:17.02 | Jiselle | so can u show me how to do it to work...with screenshtots or somth |
| 15:17.03 | dylanm | I wish I could tell you more but I've really only tried DUF once. |
| 15:17.17 | Gagorian | cncfanatics: I have an exam coming up soon so I'll be busy until next weeks monday |
| 15:17.20 | Jiselle | uhm |
| 15:17.24 | Gagorian | If you want you can put it in yourself |
| 15:17.34 | Jiselle | that is the part for player portraits and stuff? |
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| 15:17.59 | Jiselle | with text1,text2,text3,text4 and stuff? |
| 15:18.33 | Jiselle | i think there is texture replacement but i dont know how to work with it |
| 15:18.35 | Jiselle | i mean |
| 15:18.50 | dylanm | Jiselle: No, the text1, ... stuff is just custom text. |
| 15:19.15 | Jiselle | just a sec |
| 15:19.18 | Jiselle | to look out |
| 15:19.33 | cncfanatics | Gagorian, I can try yea |
| 15:19.37 | cncfanatics | where do u cache ur info ? |
| 15:20.14 | Gagorian | I don't, it's only calculated when it's needed and saved in the respective frames. |
| 15:20.57 | nevcarrriel | he already had issues picking up bt3 states correctly, have fun with weird flexbar buttons that dont even follow a clear creation scheme =P |
| 15:21.15 | CIA-22 | 03adelea * r49281 10GridStatusPvP/ (. GridStatusPvP.lua GridStatusPvP.toc): GridStatusPvP: Initial checkin of Pasus' code |
| 15:21.40 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, he doesnt need to handle any button creation at all :p |
| 15:21.52 | xyu` | I can't get Grid to show missing buffs. I must be doing something wrong >< |
| 15:22.03 | cncfanatics | fb handles resetting text subs when actions & states change |
| 15:22.15 | cncfanatics | all he needs to do is get a func to return the value that shld be on the button |
| 15:22.25 | cncfanatics | and call a function when he wants the text on it to update |
| 15:22.30 | nevcarrriel | i suppose not that easy :P |
| 15:22.40 | Gagorian | It's actually easier with FlexBar |
| 15:22.48 | cncfanatics | its really very easy |
| 15:23.07 | Gagorian | Cause it triggers the update code when actions happen, and I don't have to rely on blizzard events |
| 15:23.12 | Gagorian | For general functionality |
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| 15:23.36 | nevcarrriel | so does bt3, you just have to know which function to hook! :) |
| 15:23.44 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, FB does it by itself :) |
| 15:23.47 | Gagorian | I don't want to hook functions ;) |
| 15:24.19 | xyu` | imo, hearthstone should be defaulted in pt3bar's config :D |
| 15:24.22 | nevcarrriel | i could add callbacks as well, but i didnt see the need:P |
| 15:24.43 | dylanm | xyu`: Only for paladins :p |
| 15:24.48 | xyu` | haha |
| 15:24.50 | cncfanatics | its actualy quite different with FB nevcairiel |
| 15:24.57 | cncfanatics | u don't handle text fields specialy do u ? |
| 15:25.03 | xyu` | well every config i've downloaded from the forums enables hearthstone ^^ |
| 15:25.08 | xyu` | must be pretty popular |
| 15:25.11 | mark4__ | which kill counter was it that u guys recommended as a replacement for the totally useless mobinfo2 ? |
| 15:25.26 | nevcarrriel | why should i, if someone wants to add that, he should handle that |
| 15:25.49 | nevcarrriel | just saying, if people want a callback when a button action changes, i can easily add that |
| 15:26.31 | cncfanatics | btw, Gagorian, where do u keep ur cache of values ? |
| 15:26.33 | Jiselle | dylanm |
| 15:26.34 | cncfanatics | avrg dmg, etc |
| 15:26.41 | Gagorian | They're calculated based on demand |
| 15:26.44 | Jiselle | its exactly what i mean |
| 15:26.48 | Jiselle | the big window |
| 15:26.54 | Gagorian | Just get them from the calculation functions |
| 15:27.00 | Pkekyo | meh, leveling enchanting is too fucking expensive :< |
| 15:27.03 | yssaril | got a nub question if i have a value attached to a var var1 = "value" and then go var2 = var1 how do i clear var1 without clearing var2? |
| 15:27.07 | xyu` | Just curious but is LUA used for other things besides WoW? |
| 15:27.12 | Gagorian | Stance switches and etc. would mostly still require recalculation |
| 15:27.13 | nevcarrriel | of course |
| 15:27.19 | Gagorian | So caching is kind of pointless |
| 15:27.24 | Jiselle | hey |
| 15:27.26 | xyu` | like what? |
| 15:27.28 | Jiselle | guys |
| 15:27.30 | Jiselle | uhmm |
| 15:27.33 | ramoz | anyway to reset violation on boss start? |
| 15:27.34 | mark4__ | ? anyone? |
| 15:27.50 | Jiselle | can anyone help me to import my texture in wow |
| 15:28.17 | nevcarrriel | xyu`: http://www.lua.org/uses.html |
| 15:28.21 | xyu` | oo |
| 15:28.22 | xyu` | thanks nev |
| 15:28.27 | Jiselle | xyu |
| 15:28.34 | Jiselle | bg? |
| 15:28.39 | mark4__ | guess im on ignore :/ |
| 15:28.45 | cncfanatics | Gagorian, roger |
| 15:28.59 | deltron | mark4__: the mob respawn timers? |
| 15:29.04 | cncfanatics | with with function should text subs be updated ? |
| 15:29.05 | mark4__ | no |
| 15:29.17 | mark4__ | i need to count the number of times ive killed every mob type i kill |
| 15:29.27 | mark4__ | mobinfo-2 says it does this. its broken |
| 15:29.31 | deltron | heh why? |
| 15:29.49 | mark4__ | ive killed 90 or so of a givem mob and the count goes 4 5 5 5 5 6 6 5 5 6 6 6 3 |
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| 15:29.53 | mark4__ | brecause |
| 15:30.13 | genetik- | different level of mob? |
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| 15:30.15 | mark4__ | most times i kill a mob the count remains unchanged |
| 15:30.16 | mark4__ | no |
| 15:30.34 | mark4__ | if i kill a givem mob type i want to count that kill for taht type |
| 15:30.40 | Jiselle | u need the timer respawns mob? |
| 15:30.47 | mark4__ | ugh |
| 15:30.48 | mark4__ | NO |
| 15:30.55 | deltron | he wants a count of how many beasts he kills or something |
| 15:30.56 | Jiselle | uuh sorry |
| 15:31.01 | Jiselle | aah |
| 15:31.03 | Jiselle | i got it |
| 15:31.15 | Jiselle | how many beasts from one type counting? |
| 15:31.24 | mark4__ | nevermind |
| 15:31.27 | cncfanatics | Gagorian, what would I call to get the info that should be on a spell's button ? |
| 15:31.30 | Jiselle | well tell us |
| 15:31.31 | cncfanatics | having the spell name |
| 15:31.46 | mark4__ | i want to count kills |
| 15:31.52 | mark4__ | for EVER TYPE OF MOB I KILL |
| 15:31.53 | yssaril | got a nub question if i have a value attached to a var var1 = "value" and then go var2 = var1 how do i clear var1 without clearing var2? |
| 15:31.58 | mark4__ | how many times to i need to say it |
| 15:32.12 | Jiselle | well i understand it like i said |
| 15:32.18 | mark4__ | mobinfo2 is supposed to do this but the counter doestn work AT ALL |
| 15:32.41 | cncfanatics | GetSpellInfo, got it |
| 15:32.45 | Jiselle | example: boar=6 kills, illidan=4 kills |
| 15:32.51 | Jiselle | that? |
| 15:32.53 | mark4__ | if i kill bloodmaul skirmisher once the count for bloodmaul skirmisher should be ONE |
| 15:33.02 | mark4__ | if i kill it again it should be 2 etc etc etc |
| 15:33.08 | cryogen | Jiselle: familarise yourselfw with exactly what mobinfo2 is, please :) |
| 15:33.10 | mark4__ | if i then kill a hellboar... |
| 15:33.12 | Adirelle|Work | mark4__: that's mob "name", not type, mob type has a different sense |
| 15:33.17 | Adirelle|Work | s/sense/meaning/ |
| 15:33.28 | mark4__ | aoah |
| 15:33.31 | mark4__ | ok |
| 15:33.48 | Josh_Blackbeard | mark4__: submit a bug report to the MI2 author |
| 15:33.51 | cncfanatics | Gagorian, sry to bother ya again but, how would u get nondefault info about a spell ? |
| 15:33.58 | mark4__ | well. mobinfo2 does not counnt. ill be at 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5.... |
| 15:33.58 | Jiselle | cryogen didnt understand you sry i have bad english :( |
| 15:34.08 | mark4__ | for each kill the count may or many not bump |
| 15:34.15 | mark4__ | and ive seen it revert to a lower number |
| 15:34.18 | Josh_Blackbeard | mark4__: also, did you check that the levels were not being included? |
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| 15:34.24 | Jiselle | uhm i understand you i think |
| 15:34.46 | Adirelle|Work | well. I guess that's the point, though "elder hellboar" and "young hellboar" (dummy samples) have different names, but same type (demon IIRC), but there is no way to know that they are both "hellboar" |
| 15:35.05 | mark4__ | how do i do that. i see nothing in there related to counting mobs of the same lever |
| 15:35.33 | Jiselle | uhm i think script edit will help |
| 15:35.40 | mark4__ | for some mobs even of varying levels this counts reliably |
| 15:35.43 | mark4__ | but not for others |
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| 15:36.07 | Gagorian | cncfanatics: Got to go for 1ฝh. I'm already in a hurry |
| 15:36.09 | Gagorian | Talk to you later |
| 15:36.18 | mark4__ | thats fine. but if i lill two foo.hellboar i want the count bumped twice |
| 15:36.22 | cncfanatics | ok, i'll manage then |
| 15:36.22 | mark4__ | its not working |
| 15:36.23 | xyu` | 1/2 |
| 15:36.27 | xyu` | how'd you do that :P |
| 15:37.11 | Xinhuan | ผ |
| 15:37.13 | mark4__ | someone recommended a different kill counter in here |
| 15:37.25 | xyu` | alt-codes? |
| 15:37.44 | Jiselle | uhmm |
| 15:37.49 | Jiselle | now i have a question |
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| 15:38.20 | Jiselle | can i ask |
| 15:38.21 | Jiselle | ? |
| 15:38.27 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | yarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 15:38.34 | Jiselle | acan someone help me about importing textures in wow |
| 15:38.45 | mark4__ | ok. im killing daggermaw blackhides. level 65. count is at 20. i kill one and the count is at 20 |
| 15:38.46 | Mech0z | Anyone know if Tattle is updated by the user or by userinput? |
| 15:38.52 | Mech0z | like do I have to do the scanning? |
| 15:39.21 | xyu` | I thought there was a xp/farming addon that had a kill counter |
| 15:39.22 | Jiselle | MadMonk_ |
| 15:39.25 | xyu` | i forget which one though |
| 15:39.27 | mark4__ | can anyone recommend a different kill counter |
| 15:39.35 | Jiselle | pos |
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| 15:39.47 | mark4__ | pos? |
| 15:40.04 | mark4__ | ok. i killed 5 mobs to bump the count from 20 to 21 |
| 15:40.10 | mark4__ | thats soooooo annoying. |
| 15:40.14 | cryogen | 5 mobs of the same level? |
| 15:40.25 | mark4__ | wtf has LEVEL got to do with it |
| 15:40.30 | mark4__ | but yes |
| 15:40.38 | xyu` | simma! |
| 15:40.41 | mark4__ | same mob. same area. same leve |
| 15:40.49 | cryogen | the same thing level has to do with it on sites like wowhead |
| 15:40.50 | Jiselle | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4169-KillCounter.html |
| 15:40.52 | cryogen | ie: its a factor |
| 15:40.53 | cryogen | but find |
| 15:40.53 | Jiselle | try this one |
| 15:40.54 | cryogen | fine* |
| 15:41.37 | mark4__ | lol. i killed a level 66 and it bumped the count |
| 15:42.05 | cryogen | i think you've already realised the fact here |
| 15:42.08 | cryogen | it's just broken :) |
| 15:42.36 | Adirelle|Work | it may relies on events that aren't always triggered |
| 15:42.44 | Jiselle | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4005-KillLog.html |
| 15:42.47 | Jiselle | mark4__ |
| 15:42.59 | Jiselle | u tried the killcounter link? |
| 15:43.12 | mark4__ | killlog just makes a log of your kills. you want a count i think you have to go thru the log. thanks |
| 15:43.19 | mark4__ | i skimmed over that one already |
| 15:44.16 | mark4__ | damn. and i liked mobinfo-2 - would be cool if it worked |
| 15:44.18 | Jiselle | umhh |
| 15:44.30 | Jiselle | u want to count your kill by type of mob? |
| 15:44.35 | Jiselle | or by name of mob? |
| 15:44.50 | mark4__ | name |
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| 15:44.57 | Jiselle | uhmm |
| 15:45.08 | Jiselle | its possible |
| 15:45.16 | Jiselle | but i dont know can i find this one/ |
| 15:45.29 | mark4__ | and i would like to be able to see a tooltip showing the count when i point at the mob. mobinfo2 does this. but its got serious b0rkage on its counter |
| 15:46.00 | genetik- | mark4__: http://www.dizzarian.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=16 |
| 15:46.06 | genetik- | complain about it being broken there, please |
| 15:46.54 | genetik- | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/1349/ |
| 15:46.54 | genetik- | or there |
| 15:47.14 | Adirelle|Work | ~win genetik- |
| 15:47.15 | purl | Congratulations, genetik-! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 15:47.20 | genetik- | heh |
| 15:47.50 | Mech0z | why aint there a readme for tattle :( |
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| 15:48.10 | mark4__ | does kill counter only maintaina count for "this session" ? |
| 15:48.14 | mark4__ | or all time |
| 15:48.21 | Jiselle | uhm |
| 15:48.24 | Jiselle | dunno |
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| 15:49.52 | mark4__ | lol kill counter. /kc returns "o kills recently (this session)" |
| 15:50.03 | mark4__ | i kill somerthingt and say /kc and it reports exactly the same thing |
| 15:50.04 | mark4__ | wtf |
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| 15:51.46 | cryogen | did you reduce your combat log range to 0 yards or something? :) |
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| 15:52.11 | cryogen | i wonder if some other addons is farting all over the events that these addons need |
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| 15:52.58 | mark4__ | eh? |
| 15:53.06 | mark4__ | wouldnt even know how to do that |
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| 15:53.39 | genetik- | what other addons do you use? |
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| 15:54.33 | Jiselle | uhmmm |
| 15:54.37 | Jiselle | can anyone help me? |
| 15:54.45 | deltron_the_red | no |
| 15:55.20 | mark4__ | atlas, atlas loot(various), auctioneer, damage meters, duckiebank, gatherer, silver dragon, titam panel |
| 15:55.33 | mark4__ | and i seem to have weapon quick swap installed. uninstalling. never use |
| 15:55.56 | mark4__ | oh and faction friend |
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| 15:56.46 | cryogen | no idea what silver dragon is, but i cant see any of those addons conflicting with mobinfo or anything else o_O |
| 15:56.58 | deltron_the_red | silver dragon is a rare mob tracker |
| 15:56.59 | Jiselle | uhm |
| 15:57.02 | cryogen | a definitive "wtf?" from me im afriad |
| 15:57.03 | |Stan| | silver dragon is a rare alerter |
| 15:57.07 | Jiselle | i want help some one can do that? |
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| 15:57.38 | cryogen | i would try disabling all addons except the kill counter |
| 15:57.41 | deltron_the_red | ~ask2ask |
| 15:57.42 | purl | i heard ask2ask is people who ask if they may ask a question which is a question itself. So why don't ask your real question in the first place? ;-) |
| 15:57.43 | clad|away | Jiselle: you really should ask the question.. not ask if you can ask a question. |
| 15:57.46 | cryogen | if it works then, you know something funky is going on |
| 15:57.50 | clad|away | indeed. |
| 15:58.01 | Jiselle | i want to import custom texture like discord mod but DART dont work |
| 15:58.18 | durcyn | eepanels |
| 15:58.27 | Jiselle | so i was wondering are there any other addons to insert custom textures |
| 15:58.30 | Jiselle | durcyn |
| 15:58.32 | Jiselle | but how |
| 15:58.45 | Jiselle | i didint find the browser when i created the new window |
| 15:59.20 | yssaril | would this work? "x, y = y, nil" where y=4 result would be y=nil x =4? |
| 15:59.32 | Adirelle|Work | yssaril: it should |
| 16:00.00 | yssaril | Adirelle|Work: kk very interesting |
| 16:00.01 | durcyn | Jiselle: there's no browser, you have to feed it a path |
| 16:00.07 | Jiselle | yeh |
| 16:00.10 | Jiselle | im doing it |
| 16:00.28 | Jiselle | there is path like "interface\bla bla bla.. |
| 16:00.31 | Jiselle | right? |
| 16:00.37 | yssaril | Adirelle|Work: is there a simpler or faster way of doing it that that though? |
| 16:01.05 | Jiselle | so im writing there path and noting happens |
| 16:01.08 | Adirelle|Work | simpler : "x = y; y = nil" |
| 16:01.58 | Adirelle|Work | Jiselle: did you added the texture before or after starting wow ? |
| 16:01.59 | cncfanatics | Jiselle its Interface\\Bla\\... |
| 16:02.00 | cncfanatics | double slashes |
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| 16:02.21 | Jiselle | uhmmmm....what you mean Adirelle|Work |
| 16:03.03 | yssaril | Adirelle|Work: wouldn't that make x also = nil at the end cause x=y before that? |
| 16:03.10 | cncfanatics | yssaril, no |
| 16:03.21 | Adirelle|Work | that you have to reboot the whole wow client each time you add a file (or change toc file content) |
| 16:03.24 | Elfire | is there an addon like selljunk, which tells you how much the total income was? that would be neat |
| 16:03.43 | yssaril | cncfanatics: kk |
| 16:03.43 | Jiselle | uhm it not should be like that |
| 16:03.49 | Jiselle | if i reboot nothing happens |
| 16:03.51 | Jiselle | i mean |
| 16:04.08 | Adirelle|Work | yssaril: no, it's value copy, not reference copy |
| 16:04.28 | yssaril | ermmm nub here explain the difference :) |
| 16:04.29 | Jiselle | the problem with discord art is...that i cant see the texture in the dart`s browser |
| 16:04.52 | Jiselle | else all other shits are correcy |
| 16:04.58 | Jiselle | correct* |
| 16:05.14 | CIA-22 | 03saroz * r49282 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/PopupMessage.lua: Prat: Keep the popup up a bit longer |
| 16:05.19 | Adirelle|Work | yssaril: x=y means "put the value of y into x", and not "x is an alias for y" |
| 16:05.21 | durcyn | you have to add the texture to the lua if you want it to appear in the browser, addons cannot read the filesystem |
| 16:05.23 | Jiselle | sry for the rude words just getting nervice im too lazy to learn lua langage |
| 16:05.32 | yssaril | Adirelle|Work: ahhh |
| 16:05.48 | Mech0z | Someone must know how to setup Tattle ? |
| 16:06.04 | cncfanatics | Mech0z , if I remember well, u got to edit its saved bars |
| 16:06.05 | Jiselle | durcyn u mean for Dart? |
| 16:06.08 | cncfanatics | s/bars/vars/ |
| 16:07.09 | Mech0z | TattleDB = nil |
| 16:07.28 | Adirelle|Work | Jiselle: for any texture browser, addon cannot list the content of a directory |
| 16:07.51 | Mech0z | what do I need to edit? wierd there aint any readme file with such an addon :/ |
| 16:07.53 | Jiselle | thanks |
| 16:08.06 | Jiselle | but wich lua i must edit to load the textures in game |
| 16:08.22 | cncfanatics | Jiselle, none |
| 16:08.24 | Jiselle | in no one toturial says to add texture path or somth in lua file |
| 16:08.26 | cncfanatics | if ur texture is in ur addons folder |
| 16:08.35 | Jiselle | yeh it is |
| 16:08.42 | cncfanatics | indeed, just point to the texture's path in ur lua code, or addon or whatever |
| 16:08.57 | Jiselle | ooh |
| 16:09.03 | Jiselle | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.29 | cncfanatics | used to, long ago |
| 16:09.42 | Jiselle | well u know the dart options |
| 16:10.03 | Jiselle | there is a place that sais click here to add the texture or somth like that |
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| 16:10.22 | Jiselle | so when i click it climbs a window like a browser with textures |
| 16:10.33 | Jiselle | up of him is paths like |
| 16:10.47 | Jiselle | default textures,custom textures and stuff |
| 16:11.11 | Jiselle | well when i click on custom (where texture should be) i dont see the texture |
| 16:11.16 | Jiselle | its valid texture |
| 16:11.25 | Jiselle | so |
| 16:11.33 | Jiselle | i dont get it why is that problem |
| 16:11.36 | cncfanatics | hmmm, been too long since i used dart |
| 16:11.37 | cncfanatics | I dunno |
| 16:11.48 | Jiselle | i can add only default textures |
| 16:12.53 | Jiselle | btw i found some lines in a lua |
| 16:13.12 | Jiselle | cam i paste them here? |
| 16:13.22 | FrostByghte | anyone have some layouts with grid that I could check out? |
| 16:13.29 | FrostByghte | I'm trying to get some UI ideas |
| 16:13.39 | mark4__ | could it be that because the killing blow is not always MINE that the mob doesnt get counted? |
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| 16:13.58 | mark4__ | that makes this addon totally useless for a hunter |
| 16:14.18 | nevcarrriel | write a new one, then :D |
| 16:14.34 | mark4__ | i dont code lua and that attitude is stupid |
| 16:14.38 | Jiselle | there are the lines i saw in lua file |
| 16:14.46 | Jiselle | ART_DEFAULT_TEXTURES = { |
| 16:14.46 | Jiselle | { file="Interface\\AddOns\\DiscordArt\\CustomTextures\\Rare", height=128, width=128, x1=0, x2=1, y1=0, y2=1 }, |
| 16:14.46 | Jiselle | { file="Interface\\AddOns\\DiscordArt\\CustomTextures\\RareLeft", height=128, width=128, x1=0, x2=1, y1=0, y2=1 }, |
| 16:14.46 | Jiselle | { file="Interface\\AddOns\\DiscordLibrary\\Elite", height=128, width=128, x1=0, x2=1, y1=0, y2=1 }, |
| 16:14.46 | Jiselle | { file="Interface\\AddOns\\DiscordLibrary\\EliteLeft", height=128, width=128, x1=0, x2=1, y1=0, y2=1 }, |
| 16:14.48 | Jiselle | { file="Interface\\AddOns\\DiscordLibrary\\PlainBackdrop", height=30, width=30, x1=0, x2=1, y1=0, y2=1 }, |
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| 16:15.19 | cncfanatics | add it to that, with correct height & width then |
| 16:15.26 | cncfanatics | btw, bad idea to paste here, will get u banned |
| 16:15.41 | Jiselle | ive asked before |
| 16:15.48 | Jiselle | no one sais nothing |
| 16:16.53 | Jiselle | cncfanatics |
| 16:16.53 | Jiselle | uhmmm |
| 16:16.53 | xyu` | just ask again later. ^^ |
| 16:16.53 | Jiselle | im not script guys so ill ask |
| 16:16.53 | Jiselle | what are those x1=0 and other |
| 16:16.53 | Jiselle | that is the location? |
| 16:17.00 | Jiselle | it looks like coordinates |
| 16:17.03 | cncfanatics | no, they're not |
| 16:17.14 | cncfanatics | u shldnt touch those, they control what parts of the texture are shown |
| 16:17.24 | Jiselle | aahh |
| 16:17.24 | Mech0z | bah can't figure it out, the bat files just say the path dont exist, and whne I load my game tattle says I need to move something some other place, but i dont specify where to move it... |
| 16:18.02 | Jiselle | where i can get lua language toturials? |
| 16:18.28 | Jiselle | i really want to learn program language |
| 16:19.24 | nevcarrriel | i would start with Programming in Lua |
| 16:19.25 | nevcarrriel | --> http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 16:19.29 | cncfanatics | ~pil |
| 16:19.30 | purl | from memory, pil is Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 16:19.41 | Fisker- | http://steamcommunity.com/id/Fisker/stats/TF2 :P |
| 16:19.42 | cncfanatics | that shld get u started nicelty |
| 16:24.21 | Jiselle | heh |
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| 16:24.32 | Jiselle | ill ask some really stupid question but ill try |
| 16:24.56 | Jiselle | like how much time i need to create an addon? :P |
| 16:25.07 | Jiselle | or to understand the language |
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| 16:25.23 | Jiselle | :))))) |
| 16:25.31 | ben_ | You can pick up the language in about half an hour reading through the book |
| 16:25.41 | cncfanatics | depends on how ur made really |
| 16:26.12 | Jiselle | like texture importing :D |
| 16:26.20 | Jiselle | tex importing addon |
| 16:26.35 | cncfanatics | I ment, it depends on how you are |
| 16:26.39 | cncfanatics | and what addon u want to code too ofc |
| 16:26.45 | cncfanatics | but i'd start with small stuff if I was youi |
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| 16:27.09 | Jiselle | ill talk about wow |
| 16:27.12 | Jiselle | for example |
| 16:27.38 | Jiselle | small stuff like uhmmm....like..editing parameters of interface |
| 16:27.45 | Jiselle | like portrait and stuff? |
| 16:27.57 | cncfanatics | yea prolly |
| 16:27.58 | ulic | I find the best way to learn something is to extend an addon you like to do something it doesn't do already, but you wish it did. |
| 16:28.03 | Jiselle | cnc |
| 16:28.09 | Jiselle | u have skype or somth? |
| 16:28.11 | Jiselle | yahoo? |
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| 16:29.27 | cncfanatics | msn |
| 16:29.33 | cncfanatics | but u can just /msg me on irc |
| 16:29.50 | Jiselle | ok thanks |
| 16:29.51 | Jiselle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:31.05 | Mudkips | lulz |
| 16:31.08 | Mudkips | it's a tarp |
| 16:31.11 | Mudkips | don't do it ! |
| 16:31.22 | yssaril | cncfanatics: is there a way if i have a value of some sort to find all the variables that reference it? |
| 16:31.27 | techs | damn |
| 16:31.33 | techs | who owned my nick |
| 16:31.43 | mark4__ | ok, why am i now getting a DING sometimes when i kill something |
| 16:31.55 | cncfanatics | yssaril, no, and why would u want that ? |
| 16:32.22 | yssaril | cncfanatics: no idea yet was just a question i had :) |
| 16:32.23 | Mudkips | mark4__, cos you touch yourself at night |
| 16:32.32 | mark4__ | jackass |
| 16:32.40 | techs | hahaha |
| 16:32.53 | techs | ixahxahax |
| 16:32.55 | cncfanatics | I agree with Mudkips |
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| 16:33.07 | techs | well |
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| 16:33.14 | cncfanatics | :o good ridance |
| 16:33.15 | techs | than that is BIG ding ! |
| 16:33.16 | techs | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.39 | CIA-22 | 03cncfanatics * r49283 10DrDamage/DrDamage.lua: DrDamage: Added FlexBar2 support |
| 16:34.07 | techs | huh? |
| 16:34.10 | techs | nvm |
| 16:34.13 | techs | aah |
| 16:34.34 | Mudkips | awww |
| 16:34.36 | techs | Drum & bass makes me think more......uhmmm...."virtual" |
| 16:34.43 | Mudkips | butthurt much? |
| 16:35.22 | CIA-22 | 03cncfanatics 07Rock * r49284 10FlexBar2/FlexBar2/ (4 files in 4 dirs): |
| 16:35.22 | CIA-22 | FlexBar2: |
| 16:35.22 | CIA-22 | - Optimized a lot of code |
| 16:35.22 | CIA-22 | - the ActionChanged now also triggers when the action of a button changes because of remaps |
| 16:35.22 | CIA-22 | - Fixed bugs with text substitution code |
| 16:36.05 | techs | what is that? |
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| 16:37.12 | cncfanatics | my addon ? |
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| 16:37.27 | cncfanatics | thats getting updates :p |
| 16:37.41 | Atriace | Anyone know if there's an event for character movement? |
| 16:37.50 | Atriace | I checked the wowwiki but couldn't find anything. |
| 16:37.56 | _rane_ | Hi, I installed couple of Ace2 addons to a fresh WoW installation and I'm getting some Banzai related errors, any clues? |
| 16:38.13 | nevcarrriel | depends on the error |
| 16:38.15 | durcyn | _rane_: can you be more specific |
| 16:38.24 | yssaril | _rane_: what addons and what error :) |
| 16:38.37 | nevcarrriel | i can recommend getting BugGrabber and BugSack, so that you can show us the error. |
| 16:39.00 | _rane_ | Banzai 1.1 is not running. You must register for one of the events. |
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| 16:41.53 | CIA-22 | 03cncfanatics * r49285 10DrDamage/DrDamage.lua: DrDamage: remove debugging code |
| 16:42.23 | Fisker- | OH U |
| 16:42.28 | winkiller | anyone recently measured the performance of disembedded ace vs normal WAU-downloaded with externals? |
| 16:42.34 | Fisker- | i'm just gonna play a game then :( |
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| 16:42.38 | |Stan| | I heard nevcarrriel will start pimping BT3 soon :P |
| 16:42.47 | winkiller | once I disembedded em, but all is so slow atm.. |
| 16:42.47 | nevcarrriel | define pimping |
| 16:42.49 | Fisker- | you hurt me so much nevcarrriel |
| 16:43.07 | nevcarrriel | Fisker-: i guess that was the point |
| 16:43.16 | _rane_ | So, there's the error |
| 16:43.46 | cncfanatics | Gagorian, still around ? need help |
| 16:44.13 | cncfanatics | ~seen Gagorian |
| 16:44.16 | purl | gagorian is currently on #wowace (1d 3h 30m 42s). Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 1h 8m 7s, last said: 'Talk to you later'. |
| 16:44.27 | techs | cncfanatics |
| 16:44.49 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 16:44.56 | cncfanatics | yes techs ? |
| 16:45.00 | techs | i have a question about lua lang |
| 16:45.03 | techs | uhmmm |
| 16:45.12 | techs | i have wow UI designer so he can edit and script wow |
| 16:45.27 | techs | can i work with it or its not healthfull for me |
| 16:45.39 | techs | like a fully noob in programming |
| 16:45.51 | Mudkips | an apple a day keeps the doctor away |
| 16:46.00 | Mudkips | remember that |
| 16:46.09 | Shirik|Ecole | If you are new to programming in Lua, do NOT use the WoW UI Designer |
| 16:46.13 | Shirik|Ecole | it will only make it harder on you |
| 16:46.17 | Shirik|Ecole | learn the language and the API |
| 16:46.21 | cncfanatics | techs, dunno, never used it |
| 16:46.23 | Shirik|Ecole | ~pil |
| 16:46.23 | purl | rumour has it, pil is Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 16:46.26 | Shirik|Ecole | read this |
| 16:46.34 | techs | shirik |
| 16:46.38 | Shirik|Ecole | then familiarize yourself with the WoW API at http://www.wowwiki.com/API |
| 16:46.44 | techs | api is another progrem |
| 16:46.51 | Shirik|Ecole | API is not a programm |
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| 16:47.00 | Shirik|Ecole | it's application programming interface |
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| 16:47.25 | cncfanatics | yo ckknight |
| 16:47.37 | |Stan| | yo mighty knight |
| 16:47.38 | Ellipsis | API is all the functions provided by Blizzard that you can use to make your code do cool stuff, techs |
| 16:47.52 | ckknight | hey all |
| 16:47.59 | techs | yeh i saw those are functions |
| 16:48.11 | Shirik|Ecole | Then you are aware they are not programs |
| 16:48.15 | techs | i dont know anything about functions |
| 16:48.23 | Shirik|Ecole | then I suggest you read PIL as I already stated |
| 16:48.44 | techs | i should read all night :P |
| 16:48.46 | Shirik|Ecole | Because you aren't going to get anywhere if you don't know the basics of programming, and specifically programming in lua |
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| 16:49.22 | techs | are basics dificult? |
| 16:49.35 | Shirik|Ecole | that depends on your view of programming |
| 16:49.41 | Shirik|Ecole | some people won't get it in 20 years |
| 16:49.42 | krka | depends on who you are, some people find it easy, some people find it hard |
| 16:49.46 | Shirik|Ecole | like my dad |
| 16:49.47 | _rane_ | "Interface\AddOns\BanzaiLib\Banzai-1.1\Banzai-1.1.lua:261: Banzai-1.1 is not running. You mustregister for one of the events." Any ideas regarding that error? |
| 16:50.01 | Elfire | i get that too ;( |
| 16:50.26 | xyu` | Register one of the events duh! </obvious> |
| 16:50.28 | xyu` | j/k i have no idea |
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| 16:50.33 | CIA-22 | 03cncfanatics * r49286 10DrDamage/DrDamage.lua: DrDamage: fix buggy FB2 implementation, actualy do it right this time :) |
| 16:51.45 | techs | well before |
| 16:51.46 | techs | time |
| 16:51.50 | techs | i was watching a friens |
| 16:51.59 | techs | u may know it if u r listening DnB |
| 16:52.06 | techs | nickname targy |
| 16:52.09 | techs | DJ targy so nvm |
| 16:52.34 | techs | he maked a HMSU.org site on php lang and i have watched him all day long |
| 16:52.51 | Shirik|Ecole | techs: Please use english; I don't feel like trying to translate, and you're going to find it hard-pressed to find serious help if you can't take the time to use proper words |
| 16:52.56 | Shirik|Ecole | "u" and "u r", etc |
| 16:53.04 | Ominous_ | argh frigging guild officers forcing me to take two tanks to kara waste of damn dps |
| 16:53.19 | Shirik|Ecole | But seriously, if you want |
| 16:53.22 | Shirik|Ecole | Try reading pil |
| 16:53.28 | xyu` | agreed!!!!1 |
| 16:53.36 | Shirik|Ecole | That's the first step, because you aren't going to get anywhere if you don't know the language |
| 16:53.38 | techs | so i`ve understood some things but im really confused with those variables and stuff |
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| 16:53.55 | Shirik|Ecole | so you've never programmed in any language huh? |
| 16:54.00 | techs | nope |
| 16:54.04 | Shirik|Ecole | Not entirely sure if Lua would be the easiest to learn |
| 16:54.15 | cncfanatics | i'd start with some php if I was you personaly |
| 16:54.22 | Shirik|Ecole | it has some really easy stuff, and it has some really strange stuff |
| 16:54.24 | techs | than paskal? |
| 16:54.28 | techs | :P |
| 16:54.30 | xyu` | and you need to devote real time to it. like any class. |
| 16:54.46 | techs | xyu btw i want to ask you where are you frome |
| 16:54.46 | Shirik|Ecole | and don't use the WoW UI Designer until you know exactly how to do what you want yourself |
| 16:54.48 | techs | from* |
| 16:54.51 | Shirik|Ecole | copying code will get you nowhere |
| 16:54.58 | Shirik|Ecole | it's ok to go in and read code, and then copy it if you understand it |
| 16:55.00 | xyu` | I'm not from russia if that is what you mean ^_^ |
| 16:55.06 | xyu` | i'm from the US but i live in taiawn |
| 16:55.06 | Shirik|Ecole | but blindly copying random stuff is useless to you |
| 16:55.09 | xyu` | taiwan^ |
| 16:55.16 | Shirik|Ecole | lies we all know you're a gold farmer |
| 16:55.22 | techs | ahah |
| 16:55.25 | xyu` | 12 hours a day ! |
| 16:55.51 | techs | because "xyu" in bulgaria means dick |
| 16:56.01 | xyu` | yea so i'm told ^^ |
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| 16:56.27 | xyu` | it makes the name even better imo |
| 16:56.34 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 16:56.40 | techs | so with what program i should start |
| 16:56.46 | techs | notepad ? :P |
| 16:56.49 | techs | hah joke |
| 16:57.01 | Ellipsis | notepad is fine, whatever your favorite text edito ris |
| 16:57.04 | Ellipsis | editor is* |
| 16:57.05 | Shirik|Ecole | scite imo |
| 16:57.07 | Shirik|Ecole | for Lua |
| 16:57.08 | cncfanatics | notepad++ is nice for starters |
| 16:57.15 | xyu` | i've actually been reported in warcraft, but i got my name back. ^_^ |
| 16:57.27 | techs | xaxaa |
| 16:57.44 | xyu` | notepad++ is nice |
| 16:57.54 | techs | link for dl? |
| 16:58.11 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49287 10Ace2/AceEvent-2.0/AceEvent-2.0.lua: .AceEvent-2.0 - fire an event when all events are registered. |
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| 16:58.16 | cncfanatics | google |
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| 16:58.23 | xyu` | http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm |
| 16:58.59 | techs | i have it on bulgarian :D |
| 16:59.04 | techs | just find it :P |
| 16:59.08 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49288 10BanzaiLib/Banzai-1.1/Banzai-1.1.lua: .Banzai-1.1 - fix error messages, add check. |
| 16:59.19 | techs | thanks btw xyu :* |
| 16:59.28 | xyu` | np |
| 17:00.01 | techs | uhmm |
| 17:00.05 | techs | im kinda confused |
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| 17:01.17 | Pkekyo | shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker and tits |
| 17:01.18 | techs | i must install N++`s every part/ |
| 17:01.36 | durcyn | Pkekyo: george carlin would be proud |
| 17:01.43 | Pkekyo | durcyn: indeed! |
| 17:02.12 | Pkekyo | I can even do it backwards! look: tits, and motherfucker, cocksucker, cunt, fuck, piss, shit |
| 17:02.15 | Pkekyo | pewpew! |
| 17:02.25 | techs | xhahxa |
| 17:02.37 | cncfanatics | any way to make svn silent ? |
| 17:02.53 | ckknight | svn >/dev/null |
| 17:03.09 | cncfanatics | thats a bit harsh, but I guess it'll work :p |
| 17:03.23 | Ellipsis | you won't hurt its feelings, I promise |
| 17:03.26 | durcyn | harsh? |
| 17:03.32 | kenlyric | rm -rf / |
| 17:03.43 | durcyn | stdout is a sturdy beast, i'll survive. |
| 17:03.51 | durcyn | it'll* |
| 17:04.04 | cncfanatics | kenlyric, i'm not root |
| 17:04.13 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, I mean error messages won't get on screen either |
| 17:04.40 | Ellipsis | if error messages were printed, then it wouldn't really be silent, would it? :P |
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| 17:05.05 | durcyn | i should hope that svn is smart enough to write errors to stderr, in which case a simple >/dev/null would only snarf stdout |
| 17:05.13 | durcyn | since > implies 1>, not 2> |
| 17:06.59 | cncfanatics | guess so |
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| 17:07.58 | ckknight | svn >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 17:08.57 | cncfanatics | I don't want to remove stderr |
| 17:09.40 | xyu` | class over! peace! |
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| 17:10.54 | Funkeh` | hey |
| 17:12.12 | techs | uhmmmmm |
| 17:12.12 | ckknight | hey |
| 17:12.16 | techs | i can say |
| 17:12.30 | techs | Notepad ++ looks really scary |
| 17:12.42 | techs | :| |
| 17:12.47 | deltron_the_red | wut? |
| 17:12.48 | cncfanatics | scary ? -.- |
| 17:12.55 | cncfanatics | its the basic of the basic |
| 17:12.59 | cncfanatics | if u want scary try vim :pm |
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| 17:13.10 | deltron_the_red | vim is good stuffs |
| 17:13.17 | deltron_the_red | I use scite personally |
| 17:13.26 | deltron_the_red | but i'm lazy and don't code wow stuff |
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| 17:14.12 | techs | but i want to learn how to code wow cool stuff... :D |
| 17:14.34 | dylanm | emacs |
| 17:14.35 | Cartas | Notepad++ is scary? :| |
| 17:14.38 | deltron_the_red | eww emacs |
| 17:14.39 | Cartas | How's that then? |
| 17:15.02 | _rane_ | "Interface\AddOns\BanzaiLib\Banzai-1.1\Banzai-1.1.lua:261: Banzai-1.1 is not running. You mustregister for one of the events." Any ideas regarding that error? I get this after installing PitBull into a fresh WoW. |
| 17:15.03 | Funkeh` | Cartas: 1 plus is fine, 2 is out of hand! |
| 17:15.13 | Cartas | C++. |
| 17:15.15 | durcyn | emacs is for people with malformed left brains, you see |
| 17:15.22 | cncfanatics | _rane_, my guess is u updated wrong |
| 17:15.22 | Funkeh` | Cartas: Out of hand! |
| 17:15.23 | cncfanatics | redownload |
| 17:15.26 | Cartas | Funkeh`++. |
| 17:15.28 | dylanm | QED right there |
| 17:15.28 | _rane_ | cncfanatics: updated? |
| 17:15.32 | kenlyric | emacs is for people who killed their families after using vi |
| 17:15.37 | cncfanatics | u downloaded the latest version of pitbull recently |
| 17:15.41 | cncfanatics | remove pitbull, and redownload it |
| 17:15.49 | Funkeh` | its you not u |
| 17:15.59 | Cartas | Hm, you can't have ++ in your IRC name :( |
| 17:16.08 | _rane_ | I just downloaded it, why should i redownload it? |
| 17:16.22 | Funkeh` | Cartas: lol |
| 17:16.45 | techs | well with my bad english is pretty hard to learn that shit |
| 17:16.46 | evl | What the fuck |
| 17:16.54 | evl | I just updated Threat and now it installed 7 libraries? |
| 17:16.55 | Cartas | No need to swear, old chap. |
| 17:16.59 | evl | RockSomething all over the place "#ค%& |
| 17:17.07 | cncfanatics | _rane_, remove and redownload |
| 17:17.09 | Funkeh` | evl: I doubt that |
| 17:17.19 | kenlyric | techs, seriously, what's your problem? |
| 17:17.24 | _rane_ | cncfanatics: And after that? |
| 17:17.33 | cncfanatics | just reinstall it ... |
| 17:17.41 | techs | kenlyric why u asking |
| 17:18.07 | techs | u have somth against im talking in channel? |
| 17:18.29 | evl | Ahhhh, I can't run fubar anymore without rock |
| 17:18.30 | kenlyric | either learn to do code or don't. |
| 17:18.33 | evl | well that's fucked up |
| 17:18.36 | kenlyric | Don't bitch about it. |
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| 17:18.46 | Ellipsis | evl, you can always revert :) |
| 17:18.55 | Funkeh` | evl: revert to an old version, or a backup |
| 17:18.56 | techs | wtf is your problem just talking with people because i like them |
| 17:18.58 | kenlyric | if notepad++ is too complicated, then I suggest you don't. |
| 17:19.21 | evl | I really enjoy when addons move to another fucking framework without a fork happening |
| 17:19.25 | techs | ill talk here if i want that is channel not privat so STFU! and go to bed |
| 17:19.27 | techs | ok? |
| 17:19.28 | kenlyric | you know how frustrating it is when people try to help you and you shoot down evvyerhting they say? |
| 17:19.43 | kenlyric | that's all I've seen from you in the last hour. |
| 17:19.46 | Ellipsis | evl, it's been done to death. look around the forums a bit. :P |
| 17:19.46 | Funkeh` | evl: Less swearing please, the solutions are there, spend the time to practice them. |
| 17:19.58 | Cartas | Ahaha, kenlyric. :) |
| 17:20.20 | Cartas | I don't think he wants help, to be honest! |
| 17:20.21 | techs | well im trying to make dialog not just sitting front monitor and watching a dot in middle of the desktop background |
| 17:20.21 | dylanm | More like raplyric amiright |
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| 17:20.34 | kenlyric | rapelyric? |
| 17:21.02 | dylanm | N... no. |
| 17:21.50 | ckknight | Shadowed: I've never demanded money from my users. They don't have to pay me to use my mods, they merely have the option of providing a small gratuity. |
| 17:22.27 | kenlyric | yeah, imagine if whores were like that. |
| 17:22.30 | Cartas | CKKnight! Hi old chap! |
| 17:22.49 | Funkeh` | kenlyric: got much experience? :) |
| 17:22.50 | Cartas | How's it going? The whining has quietened down somewhat yet? :P |
| 17:23.01 | ckknight | hey Cartas |
| 17:23.03 | kenlyric | Funkeh`: "if only" |
| 17:23.12 | Funkeh` | excuses |
| 17:23.13 | ckknight | Cartas: somewhat |
| 17:23.20 | Cartas | I paid one, Funkeh`... |
| 17:23.27 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 17:23.29 | Cartas | They said, 'Lemme just put on some makeup' and I never saw them again. |
| 17:23.33 | Funkeh` | Cartas: That um, fills me with um, joy? |
| 17:23.35 | Cartas | Ahaha. |
| 17:23.41 | Cartas | I was kidding :$ |
| 17:23.48 | Funkeh` | I know :) |
| 17:23.51 | Cartas | No you didn't! |
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| 17:23.59 | Funkeh` | ORLY?! |
| 17:24.03 | Cartas | Why else did you send me a PM saying 'GIV JUICY DETZL' |
| 17:24.19 | Funkeh` | That was supposed to be a secret. :( |
| 17:24.24 | Cartas | Oh, whoops. |
| 17:24.37 | Cartas | It can be... if you sleep with me, again. |
| 17:24.53 | Funkeh` | Try ckknight's mom shes open to anything. |
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| 17:25.01 | ckknight | ... |
| 17:25.08 | Funkeh` | ;p |
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| 17:26.57 | Ellipsis | sooooo, slightly more on topic... Blizz_RaidUI has been intermittently throwing "attempt to compare number with nil" when I die in certain groups. Blizz bug or taint? |
| 17:27.01 | ckknight | oh no, people are bitching at me for hacking ThreatLib |
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| 17:27.09 | ckknight | even though I asked Antiarc each step of the way |
| 17:27.17 | Ellipsis | yuo borken it! |
| 17:27.24 | ckknight | no I didn't |
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| 17:27.28 | Ellipsis | doesn't matter |
| 17:27.34 | Ellipsis | we still get to blame you |
| 17:27.36 | Cartas | I don't know if I have threatlib, even. |
| 17:27.38 | Ellipsis | =] |
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| 17:28.06 | Cartas | Nein! |
| 17:28.17 | Cartas | Nice work on Cartographer, btw, CKKnight! :) |
| 17:28.31 | Cartas | Decided I'd finally update since you switched to rock and it works a treat. |
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| 17:28.47 | ckknight | Cartas: good times |
| 17:28.57 | ckknight | now if only sane people would wait a day or two like you |
| 17:29.03 | ckknight | wait |
| 17:29.04 | ckknight | no |
| 17:29.07 | cncfanatics | WAU happyness :p |
| 17:29.11 | Ellipsis | I didn't wait, but I didn't have any problems either |
| 17:29.11 | ckknight | it's not the sane people I'm worried about |
| 17:29.13 | Elfire | What't a good way to move the default location of tooltips? |
| 17:29.16 | ckknight | :-P |
| 17:29.18 | Cartas | lol |
| 17:29.21 | ckknight | Elfire: CowTip or TinyTip |
| 17:29.26 | Elfire | thanks |
| 17:29.29 | ben_ | ckknight: Which one would you recommend?! |
| 17:29.32 | Ellipsis | and if I had, I'd probably just post a report and then go download an older version... |
| 17:29.32 | Cartas | Well, I did update right away, CKKnight. But I reverted back instead of whining endlessly :P |
| 17:29.36 | Funkeh` | ckknight: 'MAJOR VERSION' ;) |
| 17:29.40 | Cartas | Much more functional that way! |
| 17:29.41 | cncfanatics | if u only want to change the tooltip location I'd recommend tinytup btw |
| 17:29.55 | ckknight | ben_: I wrote CowTip, so you know what I'd recommend |
| 17:29.55 | Cartas | TinyTip is pro. |
| 17:30.02 | ckknight | use what you feel like |
| 17:30.15 | Elfire | righto |
| 17:30.18 | dylanm | Elfire: LitheTooltipDoctor is another one that only moves the tooltip and nothing else, I think. |
| 17:30.32 | Cartas | As cncfanatics said, Elfire! If you want to customise the tooltip extensively, go with CowTip. |
| 17:30.32 | Ellipsis | as with any of ckknight's addons: if you want customizable, you can't beat CowTip |
| 17:30.37 | Cartas | If you just want to move it, go with TinyTip :p |
| 17:30.37 | Lukian | dylanm, cheers i need that |
| 17:30.58 | Cartas | I don't really see any need whatsoever to add more than what TinyTip provides, so, I stick with that :) |
| 17:31.33 | Funkeh` | ckknight: I gave you mod for the Rock forum btw |
| 17:31.37 | ckknight | Funkeh`: the issue with creating a new folder et al is that people would take too long to get over to it. Now people have switched over, gotten the wakeup call, but things basically work now |
| 17:31.40 | ckknight | okay |
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| 17:32.12 | ckknight | I see I'm no longer a mod on the forums generally anymore... |
| 17:32.14 | Funkeh` | ckknight: That gives the user the choice to upgrade, trust me word of mouth is powerful, eventually people would change over |
| 17:32.29 | Ellipsis | "eventually" being the key word |
| 17:32.42 | Funkeh` | Ellipsis: Whats wrong with eventually? |
| 17:32.45 | dylanm | Cartas: TinyTip does more than that. But I don't believe -- at least in the svn version that I'm using -- it offers any in-game customization. I just modify the source :p |
| 17:32.51 | Ellipsis | takes a lot less time to fix bugs when a thousand people are screaming at you, generally at least a few of them give useful information |
| 17:32.59 | Cartas | Hm? |
| 17:33.07 | dylanm | Woops. |
| 17:33.11 | Cartas | dylanm: I know it shows levels, class, and PvP icon etc |
| 17:33.14 | ckknight | Ellipsis: and generally, things have settled down about now |
| 17:33.17 | Funkeh` | Ellipsis: You mean it takes a lot more of my time to moderate the forums because he wants to save time? Thats unpractical. |
| 17:33.21 | Cartas | I just said that, in-game, at least, you can only customise a li'l' :P |
| 17:33.36 | Chompers | have you used cowtip before Cartas? |
| 17:33.42 | Ellipsis | I'm not saying it's good for the community, but if everyone is a little extra patient, everything gets worked out |
| 17:33.42 | Cartas | I've tried it, yes. |
| 17:34.09 | Funkeh` | Ellipsis: Exactly, patience, a vitue, make a new folder and be patient for people that switch adn report bugs. |
| 17:34.10 | Ellipsis | it's like ripping a band-aid off in one quick jerk - hurts a lot at the time, but a little later it's (mostly) forgotten |
| 17:34.16 | Cartas | Why do you ask, Chompers? |
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| 17:34.31 | Funkeh` | Ellipsis: You can't compare coding ethics to a band aid... |
| 17:34.42 | Ellipsis | I'm not saying I agree with the way it was done, Funkeh` |
| 17:34.46 | Ellipsis | just that there is some logic behind it |
| 17:35.00 | Funkeh` | I see the logic, I just don't agree with it. |
| 17:35.03 | Ellipsis | personally I would've wanted to see it in branches for a while if not a new major version |
| 17:35.19 | Chompers | Cartas: i wanted to know why you prefered tinytip over cowtip |
| 17:35.22 | durcyn | it was in branches |
| 17:35.36 | Cartas | CowTip just seemed to make the tooltips... bulky :$ |
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| 17:35.36 | Ellipsis | not for long enough, IMHO |
| 17:35.53 | Chompers | you only used to defult layout? |
| 17:36.09 | Cartas | I changed some of the information shown on the tooltip. |
| 17:36.14 | Cartas | Is that what you mean by 'layout'? |
| 17:36.25 | durcyn | how many opinions are actually humble, though =P |
| 17:36.27 | dylanm | Cartas: By default it sorta is. You can make it whatever you like, really. |
| 17:36.52 | Ellipsis | and I think a bit more attention ought to be paid to the "first impression" type stuff before it's pushed out to users...because things like the minimap button and config screen size seemed to piss people off so strongly |
| 17:37.01 | Cartas | I guess I wasn't in such a creative mood at the time. You got pictures of your minimalistic layouts for the tooltips, perhaps? :) |
| 17:37.03 | Ellipsis | but, you know, hindsight is 20/20 |
| 17:37.15 | dylanm | Cartas: I know Antiarc had one that people liked... can't remember where it is though. |
| 17:37.25 | Elfire | I'm trying LitheTooltipDoctor cos I don't want super duper auto nutter tooltips, i just need to move them up a bit :) |
| 17:37.31 | Cartas | Is CowTip lighter than TinyTip? |
| 17:37.47 | Cartas | Lighter meaning... more efficient, I suppose! :p |
| 17:37.54 | dylanm | I wouldn't worry about it. |
| 17:37.56 | deltron_the_red | I like both Cartas |
| 17:37.58 | Cartas | Ah, okay. |
| 17:38.00 | ckknight | probably not, but they're both modular, only enable what you want and they'll likely be close |
| 17:38.35 | Cartas | I guess I'll give it another try and see if I can get the tooltip to look somewhat more minimalistic |
| 17:38.55 | Ellipsis | I can go take a screenshot of mine if you need inspiration, Cartas - it's pretty basic |
| 17:39.01 | Cartas | Go ahead, old chap! :) |
| 17:39.04 | Cartas | Simple is generally best :P |
| 17:39.11 | Funkeh` | Your what sorry? |
| 17:39.21 | Ellipsis | ...CowTip config |
| 17:39.24 | Cartas | lol |
| 17:39.28 | Chompers | Cartas: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jonreid/wow/cowtip.png |
| 17:39.33 | dylanm | Let me see yo grilll; |
| 17:39.56 | Cartas | Hm, they all seem a bite big, tbh, Chompers! |
| 17:40.04 | Cartas | bit* :o |
| 17:40.21 | ckknight | you can make em as big or as small as you want |
| 17:40.30 | Cartas | Yeh, of course :) |
| 17:40.38 | Cartas | I was just saying about those examples :P |
| 17:40.38 | xyu | is the threat taken from Omen or does it use it's own? |
| 17:40.40 | xyu | lib |
| 17:40.43 | deltron_the_red | fade is something you will probably want to turn off in cowtip :P |
| 17:40.47 | techs`L3arN1nG | cncfanatics |
| 17:40.52 | Cartas | I turned fade off with TinyTip too. |
| 17:40.56 | Chompers | Omen uses Threat-1.0 |
| 17:40.59 | Cartas | I hate the fading. |
| 17:41.03 | Funkeh` | Fade is the ugliest thing ever. |
| 17:41.04 | Cartas | Why would anyone even add it as an option? |
| 17:41.05 | deltron_the_red | lol |
| 17:41.07 | Funkeh` | Ever. |
| 17:41.11 | Cartas | Remove it now, CKKnight. |
| 17:41.16 | Cartas | If it was out, I'd switch! |
| 17:41.17 | Elfire | strange, AutoBar tooltips go somewhere different to all my other tooltips |
| 17:41.18 | Cartas | lol |
| 17:41.20 | techs`L3arN1nG | cncfanatics is the C++ easyer than lua? |
| 17:41.29 | cncfanatics | ehm, no, totaly not |
| 17:41.31 | Cartas | C++ is best. |
| 17:41.33 | ckknight | Cartas: fading is Blizz default, the module allows you to hide immediately |
| 17:41.33 | cncfanatics | c++ is hard |
| 17:41.38 | cncfanatics | try php if u want something easy |
| 17:41.44 | Cartas | It has two pluses, how can it not be the best? |
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| 17:41.45 | cncfanatics | but thats for websites (and it sucks tbh, but its easy) |
| 17:41.50 | Cartas | Ah, okay ckknight! :) |
| 17:42.00 | techs`L3arN1nG | i want lua |
| 17:42.00 | cncfanatics | time to eat |
| 17:42.01 | Aileen__ | c++ is hard, let's go shopping |
| 17:42.01 | techs`L3arN1nG | than :D |
| 17:42.08 | Cartas | Learn PASCAL. |
| 17:42.09 | ckknight | lol, Aileen__ |
| 17:42.14 | Cartas | PASCAL is best. |
| 17:42.19 | dylanm | I would buy such a doll |
| 17:42.19 | Cartas | So good, infact, I always capitalise it. |
| 17:42.19 | techs`L3arN1nG | wtf? |
| 17:42.24 | Cartas | PASCAL, see. |
| 17:42.30 | Aileen__ | aw man, I just keep ending up with more and more underscores after my name! :) |
| 17:42.32 | Elfire | I use c+++, it's one harder... and one bester |
| 17:42.32 | techs`L3arN1nG | i dont want to make algoritms |
| 17:42.39 | Cartas | I don't notice many people always capitalising LUA. That means it's not good. |
| 17:42.39 | Shirik|Ecole | ~lart Cartas |
| 17:42.39 | purl | wallops Cartas with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 17:42.39 | Shirik|Ecole | Lua is not an acronym |
| 17:42.55 | Cartas | Oh... |
| 17:42.57 | Cartas | Well, umm... |
| 17:42.59 | Cartas | Why isn't it?! |
| 17:43.13 | Cartas | I don't think Pascal is an acronym either, tbh. |
| 17:43.13 | dylanm | Um. |
| 17:43.15 | xyu | learn fortran! |
| 17:43.28 | Cartas | COBALT! |
| 17:43.48 | dylanm | Close enough. |
| 17:43.59 | Cartas | :$ |
| 17:44.52 | Cartas | So, what's the next big language? |
| 17:44.56 | xyu | chinese |
| 17:45.00 | Cartas | Hm... |
| 17:45.14 | Cartas | I better start learning to program in that then. |
| 17:45.29 | Cartas | What's the difference between program and programme? :( |
| 17:45.40 | Ellipsis | http://i12.tinypic.com/4kckiu8.png |
| 17:45.40 | Cartas | TV Programme, computer program? |
| 17:45.55 | Chompers | yes |
| 17:45.59 | durcyn | programme is the british spelling |
| 17:46.02 | xyu | Spell this word program when referring to computers or computing, and also in American English. Use programme for other senses such as 'television programme' or 'a programme of events' |
| 17:46.15 | Cartas | Okay. |
| 17:46.21 | Cartas | So program is more capitalistic. |
| 17:46.23 | Cartas | I'll have to use it less. |
| 17:46.39 | dylanm | If I had to pick a hot language I'd say Ruby. |
| 17:46.46 | techs`L3arN1nG | cncfanatics |
| 17:46.48 | dylanm | But the interpreter needs to become a lot faster. |
| 17:46.53 | Elfire | What's up with the world map icon? It's just hanging there under my FuBars right now... how can I make it go away? |
| 17:46.56 | Cartas | I hear that is one of the slow ones, yeh. |
| 17:47.12 | dylanm | It's wonderfully expressive. |
| 17:47.15 | techs`L3arN1nG | anyone knows can i save in *.lua file format with notepad++ |
| 17:47.29 | Ellipsis | Cartas, in case you missed it, that link I just posted was a screenshot of my CowTips with various amounts of information :P |
| 17:47.29 | Cartas | You think it'll bump off C++ as the software-language? |
| 17:47.34 | Cartas | I saw! :) |
| 17:47.42 | xyu | yup |
| 17:47.46 | Cartas | You have it pretty much similar to how my TinyTip is :D |
| 17:47.58 | techs`L3arN1nG | thx |
| 17:48.00 | techs`L3arN1nG | xyu |
| 17:48.13 | Cartas | lol. |
| 17:48.15 | techs`L3arN1nG | well |
| 17:48.16 | Ellipsis | it's not quite finished, but then again no part of my UI ever is... |
| 17:48.19 | techs`L3arN1nG | ill go off now |
| 17:48.19 | Cartas | You can save in .lua format with notepad, even. |
| 17:48.23 | techs`L3arN1nG | for little piece |
| 17:48.39 | techs`L3arN1nG | ill start reading later and thanks to all for all what they do now |
| 17:48.51 | techs`L3arN1nG | ill come later,nighty night all |
| 17:48.51 | steev64 | hrm, with the new pitbull and rock setup - how do i disable player when in raid? |
| 17:49.17 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49289 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - adjusting settings on the right no longer resets the scroll on the left. |
| 17:49.31 | Cartas | Hm, well, I think I'll stick with TinyTip for now. |
| 17:49.38 | ckknight | steev64: hrm, not sure you can - or could ever do that |
| 17:49.47 | dylanm | steev64: Disable player? I've never heard of that one. |
| 17:49.53 | steev64 | hum |
| 17:49.53 | dylanm | Do you just go off your raid frames mod? |
| 17:50.01 | steev64 | yeah |
| 17:50.08 | Ellipsis | I guess it could make sense for a healer with Grid or something... |
| 17:50.45 | dylanm | I'm more important than those damage-takers. |
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| 17:51.03 | dylanm | I deserve at least a 3d portrait or something. |
| 17:51.18 | dylanm | I imagine one could write a small mod to accomplish what you're asking. |
| 17:51.34 | xyu | in pitbul you can just alt-rightclick on the player frame and disable it can't you? |
| 17:51.37 | xyu | even in raid |
| 17:51.45 | Mudkips | yup |
| 17:51.53 | xyu | or you want it "Only disabled in raid" then i dont know how to do that |
| 17:52.07 | Cartas | He'll have to reenable it himself :P |
| 17:52.12 | xyu | yup |
| 17:52.32 | steev64 | xyu: yeah, only disabled in raid |
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| 17:52.34 | ckknight | dear Lord, why do I have 204 jira tickets? |
| 17:52.38 | ckknight | I had 50 two days ago |
| 17:52.42 | Ellipsis | because users love you |
| 17:52.44 | steev64 | i need to lern2buynewmonitor |
| 17:52.50 | Xinhuan | good morning :) |
| 17:52.55 | Xinhuan | how's everyone |
| 17:52.59 | Cartas | Hi old chap! |
| 17:53.01 | steev64 | i need my precious monitor space |
| 17:53.08 | Cartas | You're late, Xinhuan. It's 1900! |
| 17:53.21 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 17:53.27 | Xinhuan | well i just finished raiding and stuff |
| 17:53.33 | Ellipsis | hey, not everyone wakes up early |
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| 17:53.47 | Lukian | yrdy |
| 17:54.01 | Gagorian | cncfanatics: Got it working? |
| 17:54.05 | evl | Hmms; i just updated SimpleCombatLog but now it won't accept Parser-3.0 over 1.1 |
| 17:54.11 | Xinhuan | almost did a 1 night ssc clear :) |
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| 17:54.37 | Cartas | They should do, Ellipsis. |
| 17:54.37 | dylanm | Addon would... hmm. GetNumRaidMembers() <= 5 -> :Hide() whatever and watch for PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED and RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 17:54.39 | steev64 | did do gruul's lair last night - first time for me (im in a casual guild) |
| 17:54.51 | Gagorian | What events trigger when warrior changes stance? |
| 17:55.02 | Ellipsis | not everyone *can*, Cartas :P |
| 17:55.16 | Cartas | They could, they just don't want to. |
| 17:55.21 | Cartas | Laziness. |
| 17:55.24 | Cartas | The bane of humanity! |
| 17:55.41 | Ellipsis | I beg to differ, but I don't think anyone wants to hear a discussion of exactly why |
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| 17:55.50 | Elkano | what is the max length for a guild note? |
| 17:56.10 | Cartas | I think I do, old chap. |
| 17:56.22 | dylanm | Gagorian: I believe it's just an aura loss and gain? |
| 17:56.23 | Ellipsis | eesh, and will you stop calling me old chap? :P |
| 17:56.24 | Cartas | Go ahead and explain why people shouldn't be lazy! :P |
| 17:56.29 | Cartas | I'm afraid I can't, old chap! |
| 17:56.35 | Cartas | Just like people "can't" get up in the morning. |
| 17:56.37 | Cartas | ;) |
| 17:58.31 | Ellipsis | Cartas, I happen to have a sleeping disorder which makes staying on a "normal" schedule quite impossible :P |
| 17:58.47 | Cartas | Well, of course that isn't therefore 'laziness', right? :) |
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| 17:59.08 | Batos | Does recount sync automatically with the raid? |
| 17:59.19 | Ellipsis | I'm lazy enough, but it's still a physical problem :P |
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| 17:59.48 | Cartas | I get up at 5:30am! |
| 17:59.56 | Cartas | So I can play on my comp for a few hours before I leave for uni :P |
| 18:00.00 | Ellipsis | I can get up in the morning every day, it's just that it takes way too much medication to be worth it IMO |
| 18:00.17 | cncfanatics | bk |
| 18:00.49 | |Stan| | wooohoo Elkano |
| 18:00.54 | |Stan| | u are the one I was looking for |
| 18:01.17 | |Stan| | need general settings in EBBs badly |
| 18:01.18 | |Stan| | :P |
| 18:01.39 | dylanm | Doesn't EBB have a copy function or something now? |
| 18:01.45 | |Stan| | no :( |
| 18:02.32 | Ellipsis | it did last time I checked |
| 18:02.41 | Ellipsis | copy from -> group # |
| 18:03.10 | |Stan| | dunno..the option window is really wierd |
| 18:03.21 | Ellipsis | o.O |
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| 18:03.32 | dylanm | I'm almost certain it's there, unless Elkano went crazy and deleted it. |
| 18:03.57 | |Stan| | mkay then I'm blind but general options would be awesome, too |
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| 18:04.22 | cncfanatics | !api GetBindingText |
| 18:04.23 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: text = GetBindingText(key,prefix,abbreviate) -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetBindingText |
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| 18:04.53 | alcohol | http://xkcd.com/317/ |
| 18:04.54 | alcohol | <3 |
| 18:06.31 | Elfire | i got like 250,000xp to go to lvl 70 but i just can't stop pimping my UI... |
| 18:06.38 | alcohol | xD |
| 18:06.48 | alcohol | screenshot ? |
| 18:07.17 | Elfire | it's not quite ready... where can i upload screenshots to |
| 18:07.23 | alcohol | imageshack.us |
| 18:07.43 | Killmore | ckknight? |
| 18:07.43 | Elfire | do i have to give em money |
| 18:07.57 | dylanm | Elfire: No. |
| 18:08.04 | alcohol | Elfire: lol no |
| 18:08.09 | Elfire | k |
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| 18:08.34 | ckknight | Killmore: yes? |
| 18:08.36 | |Stan| | lmao |
| 18:08.51 | Elfire | oh hey, you know what i was thinking might be cool last night... Player's Pet's Target's Target |
| 18:08.51 | Killmore | nvm, I will create a jira |
| 18:09.18 | |Stan| | #202 |
| 18:10.21 | dylanm | Elfire: You could make such a frame in pitbull, I believe... |
| 18:10.38 | Elfire | oh, well this was with PitBull, but I didn't see it |
| 18:10.40 | dylanm | There is a creation thingy that accepts an arbitrary unitname, no? |
| 18:10.46 | Elfire | oh rite |
| 18:10.49 | Ellipsis | why on earth would you want that, though? o.o |
| 18:10.57 | Elfire | er well it's like this |
| 18:11.03 | Ellipsis | I mean....unless you're using your pet to tank in groups? |
| 18:11.07 | Elfire | i was laying out some frames for me an me pet |
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| 18:11.44 | Elfire | and it seemed sorta symmetrical, like there's me, my target and my target's target |
| 18:11.49 | CIA-22 | 03xionglingfeng * r49291 10LibDogTag-2.0/LibDogTag-2.0.lua: LibDogTag-2.0 - Add Chinese Simplify translation. |
| 18:12.08 | CIA-22 | 03xionglingfeng * r49292 10LibParser-4.0/LibParser-4.0.lua: LibParser-4.0 - Add Chinese Simplify translation. |
| 18:12.15 | Elfire | and above that my pet, his target and... well, is his mob attacking him or something else? |
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| 18:12.40 | CIA-22 | 03xionglingfeng * r49293 10LibSharedMedia-2.0/LibSharedMedia-2.0.lua: LibSharedMedia-2.0 - Add Chinese Simplify translation. |
| 18:12.56 | Elfire | but yeah i guess if i can add a custom unit thingybob |
| 18:13.00 | CIA-22 | 03cncfanatics 07Rock * r49294 10FlexBar2/FlexBar2/ (FlexBar2.toc Keybindings/Keybindings.lua): |
| 18:13.00 | CIA-22 | - Set X-Embeds in TOC |
| 18:13.00 | CIA-22 | - Remove Ace2 from OptDeps |
| 18:13.00 | CIA-22 | - Fix keybinding verification code |
| 18:13.44 | Ellipsis | I can't think of a use for it, really...I only have pet's target in order to make sure my pet doesn't run off and break a CC or something instead of attacking my target |
| 18:14.12 | Ellipsis | if my pet is tanking, I'm soloing, so my ToT is my pet's ToT |
| 18:14.26 | Elfire | true |
| 18:14.26 | sag_ich_nicht | PEE VEE PEE |
| 18:15.22 | CIA-22 | 03xionglingfeng * r49295 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - Add Chinese Simplify translation. |
| 18:15.32 | |Stan| | ZOMG |
| 18:15.33 | Elfire | and if i'm just getting him to kill in parallel, his mob is gonna be targeting him |
| 18:15.37 | |Stan| | chinese invasion! |
| 18:16.24 | Killmore | ckknight: jira is done |
| 18:16.31 | ckknight | okay |
| 18:16.48 | Ellipsis | yet another one, poor ckknight |
| 18:16.51 | evl | ckknight: Any idea why SCL won't recognize Parser-3.0 as ParserLib anymore? |
| 18:16.52 | CIA-22 | 03happywarbird * r49296 10TrapBar/ (. TrapBar.lua TrapBar.toc TrapBar.xml embeds.xml): |
| 18:16.52 | CIA-22 | TrapBar: initial commit |
| 18:16.52 | CIA-22 | - <Adds a bar with all hunter traps> |
| 18:16.59 | evl | I've even added ## Dependcies: Parser-3.0 to toc :/ |
| 18:17.01 | ckknight | evl: it should... |
| 18:17.27 | |Stan| | Killmore: Francis? :P |
| 18:17.29 | |Stan| | nice name |
| 18:17.41 | Killmore | thats me |
| 18:19.00 | evl | ckknight: both libs enabled on login too |
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| 18:19.16 | evl | ckknight: It's complaining it can't locate ParserLib at all but I can find it in _G |
| 18:19.17 | |Stan| | evl: what's with Parser-4.0? |
| 18:19.40 | |Stan| | 4 should emulate 3 and 1.1 |
| 18:20.47 | Zariel | ckknight, http://jira.wowace.com/browse/PAR-21#action_10489 |
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| 18:20.51 | evl | Parser-3.0 |
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| 18:21.15 | IVIadball | has the Omen bug where you don't see yourself on the meter been fixed yet? |
| 18:21.24 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | no. |
| 18:21.28 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | ~stab Antiarc |
| 18:21.28 | purl | ACTION runs at Antiarc with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 18:21.31 | |Stan| | evl: 4 should emulate 3 and 1.1 |
| 18:21.50 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | IVIadball if you continue to stab Antiarc, it might get fixed. sometime. |
| 18:21.57 | IVIadball | hmm sweet |
| 18:22.00 | evl | uh wierd, it works now :) |
| 18:22.03 | evl | thanks for listening anyway :D |
| 18:22.22 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | IVIadball and i mean SOMETIME |
| 18:22.29 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | i'm stabing him since 2 1/2 months. |
| 18:22.51 | IVIadball | I can see myself on the meter if I downgrade to a build that is 2 months old |
| 18:23.00 | IVIadball | but then it throws the meters off for the rest of the raid |
| 18:23.43 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | yes. |
| 18:24.04 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | nobody knows what causes it. |
| 18:24.06 | Ellipsis | am I the only person whose memory usage actually decreased with the Rock switch? |
| 18:24.13 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | no. |
| 18:24.34 | IVIadball | I was on the other night and I could've sword ckknight said it was a parser issue |
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| 18:24.42 | Ellipsis | why do people complain about having two frameworks loaded being "less efficient" then? |
| 18:24.58 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | IVIadball: i think that may have been a different bug you are refering to. |
| 18:25.15 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | but go ahead and try updating |
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| 18:25.28 | IVIadball | do you have the link for me to update my parser? |
| 18:25.29 | dylanm | Ellipsis: People who say things like that are silly, and that's putting it kindly. |
| 18:25.30 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, Ace2 is crap, efficiency wise at least |
| 18:25.47 | ckknight | IVIadball: which I fixed |
| 18:25.47 | Ellipsis | I realize that |
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| 18:26.06 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, Rock takes a whoping 200kb of mem |
| 18:26.08 | Ellipsis | I assumed the reduced memory churn I experienced was due to AceEvent leaks or something along those lines |
| 18:26.18 | ckknight | cncfanatics: srsly? |
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| 18:26.24 | ckknight | I'm half-surprised it's so much |
| 18:26.27 | cncfanatics | ckknight, check the screenshot in #wowlua |
| 18:26.28 | IVIadball | ckknight: did fixing the parser issue resolve the problem where people don't see themselves on the meter? |
| 18:26.33 | cncfanatics | its running everything standalone |
| 18:26.37 | |Stan| | sarrrg_ich_nicht: do you think that porting omen/threat to rock and using the new libs would help? Antiarc would have to read all the code and might find errors that way |
| 18:26.38 | ckknight | IVIadball: yes |
| 18:26.46 | ckknight | IVIadball: it was actually an AceOO issue :-P |
| 18:27.03 | Ellipsis | well, as long as there's something to blame |
| 18:27.10 | IVIadball | ckknight: ahh. Well I just downloaded the latest build and I still can't see myself on the meter |
| 18:27.18 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | ckknight: are you sure you refer to the right issue and not the spell/melee threat issue? |
| 18:27.31 | IVIadball | ckknight: I even made sure to delete the omen stuff in the WTF folder |
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| 18:27.47 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | because the bug i mean exists since like 3 months, ckknight |
| 18:28.10 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | |Stan|: probably :P |
| 18:28.24 | |Stan| | sarrrg_ich_nicht: stab him into that direction :P |
| 18:28.26 | genetik- | Ellipsis: i noticed a huge decrease in memory usage from fubar after the switch to Rock |
| 18:29.20 | Seerah_ | ping Funkeh` |
| 18:29.51 | Killmore | yesterday night after receiving like 1500 recount error [2007/09/18 23:29:37-67-x1]: AceOO-2.0-38641 (Ace2):42: stack overflow |
| 18:29.51 | Arrowmaster | get a room |
| 18:29.54 | Seerah_ | where do you want that kitty - I mean libraries - sticky? :) |
| 18:30.21 | IVIadball | ckknight: any ideas why I could still be having this issue? |
| 18:30.24 | Seerah_ | in Updaters? |
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| 18:32.25 | Funkeh` | Seerah_: That would probably be best |
| 18:32.30 | Seerah_ | kk |
| 18:32.38 | Seerah_ | let ya know when it's done |
| 18:32.42 | Industrial | YARR, mikmarrr |
| 18:32.51 | Funkeh` | I'm raiding atm, me ping with any queries |
| 18:33.06 | Seerah_ | okies |
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| 18:34.49 | Industrial | Sarrrah_ :D? |
| 18:35.08 | Ellipsis | uh oh, is it talk like a pirate day again? |
| 18:35.16 | nevcarrriel | yarr! |
| 18:35.33 | Ellipsis | quick, someone piratify my nick |
| 18:35.35 | Cidarrrrrn | Yarrrrrrrr |
| 18:35.41 | cncfanatics | Yarrlipsis |
| 18:36.24 | NightHawkTheArrr | yarr! |
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| 18:39.43 | Seerah_ | it doesn't ping me if you spell it wrong, Indie :P |
| 18:41.39 | Killmore | anyone can show me a SS with flexbar2 ? |
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| 18:42.16 | ckknight | piratify my nick |
| 18:42.19 | ckknight | I have no idea how to |
| 18:42.33 | ckknight | ah |
| 18:42.45 | ckkscurvy | alright, cya all later |
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| 18:46.32 | Kemayo | ckknave. |
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| 18:49.35 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49297 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - add some hacks to minimally support the old AceOptions format. note: doesn't support passing groups. |
| 18:49.35 | CIA-22 | 03cncfanatics 07Rock * r49299 10FlexBar2/FlexBar2/Core.lua: FlexBar2: Disable debuggin |
| 18:50.16 | CIA-22 | 03kuja * r49300 10AllPlayed/ (AllPlayed-deDE.lua AllPlayed.toc): AllPlayed: add deDE locale |
| 18:51.03 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | ckkscurvy: take a look at Khaos2Ace, you'll probably find a lot of code that's reusable for such hacks :P |
| 18:51.09 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | erm |
| 18:51.11 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | *Ace2Khaos |
| 18:51.12 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | fixed. |
| 18:51.20 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | (in before flame) |
| 18:51.28 | Kuja^ | heh |
| 18:53.43 | Kuja^ | seems i don't managed to break somthing w/ my first commit, yay! :) |
| 18:55.14 | Seerah_ | did I miss talk like a pirate day? :( |
| 18:55.24 | kenlyric | not unless you live in europe |
| 18:55.34 | Seerah_ | oooh! today! |
| 18:55.47 | ben_ | more like asia |
| 18:56.28 | cncfanatics | still 3 more hours even in europe |
| 18:56.39 | Mudkips | oh rofl http://tinyurl.com/2y73nq |
| 18:56.44 | Mudkips | good read if you haven't seen it yet |
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| 18:57.35 | IVIadball | old |
| 18:58.16 | Mudkips | thank you for that comment |
| 18:58.39 | cncfanatics | he got 61% with that ? |
| 18:59.28 | kenlyric | man, no wonders schools are fail. |
| 18:59.50 | kenlyric | what possible 61% of the work did he do? |
| 18:59.58 | cncfanatics | more like minus 61% |
| 19:00.00 | kenlyric | 10 points for each hole punch? |
| 19:00.10 | kenlyric | one point for his name? |
| 19:00.17 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 19:00.27 | kenlyric | tubgirl |
| 19:00.29 | kenlyric | lol |
| 19:00.34 | kadrahil | is the armory acting up? |
| 19:00.41 | Fisker- | i rule @ TF2 |
| 19:01.01 | winkiller | hm, maybe I just don't find it.. but how can I change the background texture of pitbull frames? |
| 19:01.57 | IVIadball | sarrrg_ich_nicht: you still here? |
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| 19:02.33 | IVIadball | I think I figured out the Omen issue |
| 19:02.46 | Mudkips | rofl best part |
| 19:02.52 | Mudkips | " This is page 3. " |
| 19:03.10 | kenlyric | 15 points for page numbers |
| 19:03.31 | kenlyric | here's what gets me. Was he so high that he was still high the next day when he turned it in? |
| 19:03.36 | kenlyric | I suspect internet fraud. |
| 19:03.48 | Mudkips | nevertheless |
| 19:03.50 | Mudkips | fake or not |
| 19:03.51 | Mudkips | I lol'd |
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| 19:05.34 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | IVIadball: oh really |
| 19:05.39 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | it works after a reloadui |
| 19:05.40 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | i know tht |
| 19:05.42 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | *that |
| 19:05.50 | IVIadball | yup |
| 19:05.50 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | it comes from zoning into an instance |
| 19:06.00 | IVIadball | I'm currently running the latest omen with an older version of threat |
| 19:06.05 | IVIadball | and I can see myself on the bar now |
| 19:06.08 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | yes. |
| 19:06.16 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | all known, i even made a package that is capable of reproducing it. |
| 19:06.22 | IVIadball | with the new threat I couldn't see myself even after a reloadui |
| 19:06.24 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | now if you can track down the revision that caused this bug |
| 19:06.29 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | i'll give you a cookie. |
| 19:06.33 | kadrahil | someone needs to make an auctioneer app for ebay |
| 19:06.42 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | IVIadball: that shouldn't happen |
| 19:06.47 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | you were probably missing deps then |
| 19:06.52 | Mudkips | so TF2 beta is out? |
| 19:07.01 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | ckkscurvy ckknight (dunno if you have $nick or just ckknight highlight): ping |
| 19:07.01 | IVIadball | 46712 works and 49229 doesn't |
| 19:07.20 | IVIadball | let me do some back track |
| 19:08.27 | IVIadball | 49002 fails too |
| 19:09.46 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | i suggest increasing from 46712 till you find one that breaks. |
| 19:10.37 | IVIadball | where can I get all the revisions of threat 1.0? |
| 19:10.55 | IVIadball | right now I'm just downloading them from the omen revisions |
| 19:12.14 | kadrahil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:14.10 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | IVIadball: files.wowace.com/Threat-1.0/ |
| 19:16.11 | Elfire | aaaaiight, http://profile.imageshack.us/user/elfirethemage/ ... 1st normal, 2nd with Alt, 3rd mouse over equip / utility bar... Just noticed my XP text doesn't fit in its bar :( |
| 19:16.12 | Xinhuan | the wowace forums are so full of "externals" vs "no externals" stuff that people don't understand.. isn't there some wiki page about this? |
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| 19:21.20 | Speeddymon_ | ckkscurvy: when i check/uncheck the "Auto-adjust frames" option for fubar, the expand/collapse button changes to plus or minus, and expands or collapses the options under it, as if i had clicked on it, even though i didnt.. |
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| 19:21.56 | Yarrlipsis | Xinhuan, there's a short bit about it at the bottom of http://wiki.wowace.com/wiki/Ace2_Memory_Concerns |
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| 19:22.27 | Yarrlipsis | but someone *coughSeerah?cough* needs to write a real explanation and sticky/wiki it |
| 19:22.38 | ben_ | Is this the "embedding" thing? |
| 19:22.41 | Yarrlipsis | yyup |
| 19:23.49 | Yarrlipsis | perhaps the tutorial on switching WAU over to disembedded and back again will clear things up for most users |
| 19:23.59 | Elfire | as a noob in this area i think it's not that there isn't an explanation of it, rather that there are too many... and not all of them seem to agree :-( |
| 19:24.10 | Yarrlipsis | but I'm afraid people will still want to understand the whys and hows |
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| 19:25.02 | xyu | but why? |
| 19:25.04 | xyu | and how |
| 19:25.06 | Yarrlipsis | that's why a wiki page is so necessary, Elfire...IMO it would help get everyone on the same page and has the benefit of being community editable so that people can correct misunderstandings and such |
| 19:25.19 | Yarrlipsis | so, uh, go make one :) |
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| 19:25.55 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8541.0 |
| 19:25.58 | Xinhuan | ok how does my reply sound? |
| 19:26.01 | Xinhuan | easy to understand? |
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| 19:27.01 | yacoob | :) |
| 19:27.09 | Hjalte | Xinhuan, what are addons????? |
| 19:27.20 | Xinhuan | oh i don't know |
| 19:27.29 | yacoob | as I watch what is happening to gamewikis right now, with their Wikia acquisition, I have a question to anyone who remembers: what was the deal with wowwiki moving to wikia? |
| 19:27.50 | yacoob | (read: who got paid for what? I'm not into judging people, just curious whether it was as much drama as over gamewikis) |
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| 19:29.29 | Yarrlipsis | sounds pretty good Xinhuan |
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| 19:30.29 | Daemona | Antiarc are you there dude? |
| 19:30.47 | TE|Kulaar | hey can you tell me what Memory Usage of FuBar is normal? |
| 19:31.06 | Daemona | depends on the amount of fubar addons you use ^^ |
| 19:31.38 | TE|Kulaar | 16 |
| 19:31.53 | TE|Kulaar | but only 7 displaying |
| 19:31.58 | TE|Kulaar | and im around 11 mb |
| 19:32.09 | TE|Kulaar | i think thats pretty heave |
| 19:32.29 | Daemona | interesting |
| 19:32.38 | Yarrlipsis | TE|Kulaar, if you use embedded libraries, a lot of your lib usage will likely be attributed to FuBar |
| 19:32.45 | Daemona | my fubar doesnt even show up in my performancefu listing |
| 19:32.59 | Josh_Borke | it's just that good |
| 19:33.31 | TE|Kulaar | so if i install the libs sepertly i will reveice a "true" value? |
| 19:34.03 | Nickenyfiken | Mine neither, my FuBar is < 500 kb |
| 19:34.08 | Yarrlipsis | yes, but of course there are disadvantages to that as well |
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| 19:40.07 | Saaarrrah | ping Funkeh` |
| 19:40.42 | Funkeh` | yes |
| 19:40.50 | Saaarrrah | all done and off to work :) |
| 19:40.58 | Saaarrrah | kitty picture included, as requested ;) |
| 19:42.10 | Saaarrrah | ttfn! |
| 19:46.07 | CIA-22 | 03ulic * r49302 10LittleWigs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): LittleWigs: Added several deDE translations from Domestica |
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| 19:46.52 | TE|Kulaar | hmm someone using "numen" in here? |
| 19:47.07 | Industrial | numenumeyee? |
| 19:47.12 | Industrial | whats unmen? |
| 19:47.17 | Industrial | numen, even |
| 19:47.23 | TE|Kulaar | shaman totem manager |
| 19:47.28 | Industrial | ! |
| 19:47.52 | Industrial | trying it now :-) |
| 19:48.39 | ulic | woah, I haven't hit files.wowace.com in a few days, looking good. |
| 19:48.59 | TE|Kulaar | anyway, i got a bug! everytime i start wow numen is not on the position it was before the logout! |
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| 19:49.56 | Yarrlipsis | numen thread is here: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=7801.0 |
| 19:50.30 | Industrial | and its libs arent set right |
| 19:50.33 | Industrial | i HATE that about wowace |
| 19:50.43 | Industrial | almost all damn addons have their libs not configged right |
| 19:50.49 | Industrial | cause everyone has all libs installed anyway |
| 19:50.52 | Xinhuan | Funkeh`, i replied to seerah's sticky :P |
| 19:51.23 | Xinhuan | think you can summarise all that stuff and edit the sticky maybe? |
| 19:51.24 | Yarrlipsis | if I had a nickel for every addon I found with a screwed up TOC... |
| 19:51.50 | Yarrlipsis | well, then I could probably afford to hire someone to go through and fix them all |
| 19:52.41 | Industrial | go svn externals! not. |
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| 19:53.52 | Yarrlipsis | whee, now I can finally go back to bed...but probably shouldn't |
| 19:54.03 | Yarrlipsis | people suck |
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| 19:58.26 | Yarrlipsis | Industrial, how much of your interface is your code right now? |
| 19:58.37 | Industrial | hm lemme see |
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| 19:59.45 | Industrial | bagnon, devtools (fat fuck :(), doublewide, expressmail, idactionbar, idchat, idexperience, idminimap, idother (stuff), idquestautomation, idstats, mikscrollingbattletext, omnicc, optionhouse, prioritymail, tekjunkseller, tekkompare |
| 20:00.06 | Industrial | I have devtools unloaded and load it when I start developing and do a reload |
| 20:00.12 | Yarrlipsis | nice |
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| 20:00.37 | Yarrlipsis | I'm trying to convert most of my UI over to my own code right now, and needed some inspiration :P |
| 20:00.45 | Industrial | :-) |
| 20:00.50 | Industrial | industrial.wowinterface.com :> |
| 20:01.01 | Yarrlipsis | been there :) |
| 20:01.03 | evl | Don't go there, gayporn central |
| 20:01.08 | Yarrlipsis | LOL |
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| 20:01.25 | Yarrlipsis | hey, whatever floats your boat... |
| 20:02.03 | Industrial | ..yeah |
| 20:02.29 | Industrial | sometimes I wanna start at 0 with my addons and just use whatever is out there |
| 20:02.39 | Industrial | but then im afraid its going to suck and ill lose the stuff I like |
| 20:03.08 | Yarrlipsis | yeah, almost seems like there's no middle ground though |
| 20:03.49 | TE|Kulaar | hmm can someone tell me how i can get with this(http://s6.directupload.net/images/070919/lD5Sw47Y.jpg) addons around 51MB Mem usage infight? I think thats really much for these addons. |
| 20:04.11 | Josh_Borke | how in the world is it sorted... |
| 20:04.22 | Josh_Borke | are you using any damage meters? |
| 20:04.31 | TE|Kulaar | assessment |
| 20:04.36 | Josh_Borke | that's why |
| 20:04.38 | TE|Kulaar | i know its using a lot of mem |
| 20:04.52 | Josh_Borke | delete any pitbull modules you don't use |
| 20:05.04 | TE|Kulaar | hmm probably a good idea |
| 20:05.14 | Yarrlipsis | TE|Kulaar, you could try using something like PerformanceFu to see which addons are using the most memory |
| 20:05.15 | Josh_Borke | same with cartographer, though they won't load unless you use them |
| 20:05.16 | genetik- | check your aloft config also. it could be recording every person you see's information. that happened to me once. |
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| 20:05.48 | TE|Kulaar | yes im using perfomancefu as you can see |
| 20:06.00 | Zariel | replace pitbull with Sage, dont use cartographer, replace quartz with the bongos cast bar, dont use prat( use something like idChat) dont over use eepanels |
| 20:06.03 | Yarrlipsis | well which addons does it list as using the most? |
| 20:06.09 | TE|Kulaar | Fubar 9,8MB |
| 20:06.11 | Zariel | that i would do if you wanted to reduce it by a lot |
| 20:06.16 | TE|Kulaar | Assessment 8 MB |
| 20:06.30 | TE|Kulaar | Aloft 3 |
| 20:06.33 | Yarrlipsis | yeah, I'd switch from Assessment to something lighter |
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| 20:06.44 | Yarrlipsis | and check your Aloft settings, it's probably storing a ton of information you don't need |
| 20:06.56 | TE|Kulaar | Shared Media 2,9 |
| 20:07.01 | NeoTron | nice. 2.3 change to auction API allowing you to download the whole AH in one query |
| 20:07.02 | TE|Kulaar | ok thanks for the tips |
| 20:07.04 | TE|Kulaar | il try it |
| 20:07.05 | NeoTron | for addosn like auctioneer |
| 20:07.08 | stavmar | assessment is that high and you are not even in combat? |
| 20:07.17 | NeoTron | nice with an API call with a 15m cooldown :-) |
| 20:07.17 | genetik- | if it has a lot of stored information, sure |
| 20:07.17 | Zariel | get WAU and use dis-embeded libs |
| 20:07.24 | Yarrlipsis | seriously NeoTron? |
| 20:07.29 | NeoTron | QueryAuctionItems |
| 20:07.30 | NeoTron | - New argument (bool), setting it to true will retrieve all auction house data (not just 50 items). This can only be used once every 15 minutes. This is intended to reduce our load from add-ons such as auctioneer that are going to download the entire auction house anyways. |
| 20:07.36 | Yarrlipsis | wow.... |
| 20:07.40 | Yarrlipsis | interesting |
| 20:07.59 | NeoTron | When composing mail, there are now ?slots?, that you can drag items into (1 is the first slot, 2 is the second slot, etc). Once the mail arrives, you use an ?index? to refer to each attachment. |
| 20:08.04 | NeoTron | multiple attachment per mail |
| 20:08.08 | Josh_Borke | woot woot |
| 20:08.09 | Yarrlipsis | yay |
| 20:08.10 | Josh_Borke | no more CTMailMod |
| 20:08.19 | stavmar | is that blizzard UI? |
| 20:08.23 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 20:08.25 | NeoTron | in 2.3 |
| 20:08.26 | stavmar | wow |
| 20:08.34 | Yarrlipsis | long way off though :( |
| 20:08.43 | stavmar | yeah maybe so |
| 20:08.43 | genetik- | not necessarily |
| 20:08.47 | NeoTron | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=879058320&pageNo=3&sid=1#56 |
| 20:09.19 | stavmar | is idchat a good replacement for prat? I like prat but I too have over 50MB mem usage |
| 20:09.51 | Zariel | what do you want a chat mod to do? |
| 20:10.23 | NeoTron | so 12 attachment slots |
| 20:10.25 | Zariel | i use idChat because prat just does so much stuff i dont need it to |
| 20:10.28 | Yarrlipsis | there are lots of light chat addons out there, idChat, mumble, etc. |
| 20:10.37 | Yarrlipsis | if one doesn't have the particular feature you want, try another |
| 20:10.38 | TE|Kulaar | btw what is "PitBull_Banzai" ? |
| 20:10.46 | stavmar | color code char names,and scrol wheel functionality, eliminate chat buttons... |
| 20:10.54 | stavmar | TE|Kulaar: Threat warning |
| 20:10.55 | Hjalte | TE|Kulaar, shows you who has threat in your group. |
| 20:10.55 | Yarrlipsis | TE|Kulaar: the plugin for PitBull that turns the frame red for whoever has aggro |
| 20:11.04 | TE|Kulaar | ok |
| 20:11.22 | Zariel | yeah i would use idChat then and get somethign like tekNickolor |
| 20:11.40 | Slakah | You could use Phanx Chat? |
| 20:11.51 | stavmar | hmm, so many choices |
| 20:12.22 | TE|Kulaar | i think i can delete the quartz modules i dont use too. right? |
| 20:12.41 | Yarrlipsis | yup |
| 20:12.49 | stavmar | If the modules is not used will it use memory? |
| 20:12.55 | stavmar | are they not LoD |
| 20:13.03 | yssaril | Xinhuan: ping |
| 20:13.04 | stavmar | like with Quartz and PB |
| 20:13.12 | Yarrlipsis | if you disable them, they won't use memory |
| 20:13.36 | Yarrlipsis | but it never hurts to clean up your addons folder if you're sure you won't want something in the future |
| 20:13.50 | stavmar | Yarrlipsis: right, so no biggie to disable them in game once you realize you don't want them |
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| 20:14.08 | stavmar | my addons folder is so big i cannot even take a screenie to show you |
| 20:15.00 | Antiarc | Daemona: What's up? |
| 20:15.55 | Zariel | my addon folder is 104mb, but only use <20mb in game |
| 20:15.55 | Yarrlipsis | 356 folders in my addons dir ^-^ |
| 20:15.55 | stavmar | like do you need LibAbacus-3.0 and AbacusLib? |
| 20:15.55 | Yarrlipsis | then again, that's disembedded + unpacked modules |
| 20:15.55 | Xinhuan | hi yssaril |
| 20:15.55 | Yarrlipsis | for the time being, you might stavmar |
| 20:16.20 | yssaril | Xinhuan: thanks for the reply on the forums i changed some stuff and have some questions :) here is my new code http://ace.pastey.net/74101 |
| 20:16.25 | Zariel | just disable the libs and enable libAce2 and it will use the ones you need |
| 20:16.25 | stavmar | Yarrlipsis: 658 folder, but that includes subfolders I am sure |
| 20:16.30 | Xinhuan | sure |
| 20:16.35 | Yarrlipsis | my UI is currently using only LibAbacus (2.0), so i deleted the old Ace one |
| 20:16.55 | yssaril | Xinhuan: question one: is there anyway to check which scrips a frame uses without by querying the frame? kinda like fream:GetScripts() return would be {OnShow,OnClick,etc} |
| 20:17.01 | Xinhuan | yssaril: no :) |
| 20:17.09 | Yarrlipsis | hey, neat |
| 20:17.23 | Xinhuan | you wil get an error if you try to setscript a OnFoo that doesn't exist for a particular frame tye |
| 20:17.25 | Yarrlipsis | my addons dir is almost exactly the same size in bytes as my memory usage in game (post-GC) |
| 20:17.25 | Xinhuan | type |
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| 20:17.50 | yssaril | Xinhuan: so check the type before trying to use it? |
| 20:17.55 | Xinhuan | also, your list doesn't even cover near the full range of possibilities |
| 20:18.02 | Xinhuan | didn't even list the most basic OnEvent ;p |
| 20:18.19 | Xinhuan | your list is like at most, half complete |
| 20:18.38 | Xinhuan | why do you even need to recycle frames anyway |
| 20:19.04 | Xinhuan | there really isn't any real reason to do it |
| 20:19.23 | Yarrlipsis | yssaril, http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_Handlers |
| 20:19.49 | Xinhuan | your code is also kinda.... untidy, my forum reply has optimized code :) |
| 20:19.54 | yssaril | Xinhuan: i know it dosnt cover all of them but i only need it to cover the once i am gonna use (havent really finished that part) |
| 20:19.59 | Josh_Borke | yssaril: people have considered frame recyclers in the past but have mostly decided it is too complicated to make it generic enough to be accessible by everyone |
| 20:20.00 | Yarrlipsis | you can use :HasScript("handler") to determine whether that particular frame can have that particular handler |
| 20:20.33 | Xinhuan | for eg, you have 2 layers if-then-else, or you repeat the same command in all paths of execution, etc |
| 20:20.36 | Xinhuan | in your code |
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| 20:20.48 | Xinhuan | so its just "untidy" in that sense |
| 20:21.27 | yssaril | Xinhuan: kk btw what does GUIFramePool[frameType] = GUIFramePool[frameType] or {} do? |
| 20:21.46 | Xinhuan | it assigns itself to itself. if it doesn't exist, assign {} to it |
| 20:22.18 | Xinhuan | i.e create a table if it doesn't already exist |
| 20:22.52 | yssaril | Xinhuan: ahhh i like it (can you tell i dont know much about coding?) |
| 20:22.57 | Yarrlipsis | yssaril, that type of statement is a common lua idiom for setting a default value if there's nothing already set |
| 20:23.03 | Yarrlipsis | e.g. x = x or 1 |
| 20:23.12 | Xinhuan | basically, its just a lot cleaner |
| 20:23.22 | Xinhuan | because "nil or 1" will return 1 |
| 20:23.24 | yssaril | Yarrlipsis: i will try to remember it :) |
| 20:23.37 | Xinhuan | "2 or 1" will return 2 |
| 20:24.24 | Xinhuan | so you can have "(does it exist) or (default value)" |
| 20:24.55 | Xinhuan | its used commonly in ADDON_LOADED to initialize default values when you upgrade addons from older savedvars to newer ones |
| 20:24.58 | Xinhuan | which as more options |
| 20:25.14 | yssaril | Xinhuan: ahh |
| 20:25.14 | Antiarc | http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1165/1404393021_7b4cdc4538_b.jpg |
| 20:25.35 | Xinhuan | note that if the (does it exist) is a boolean |
| 20:25.44 | Xinhuan | then you'll need to specifially check for "nil" |
| 20:25.46 | yssaril | Xinhuan: fyi how is this http://ace.pastey.net/74104 (again the scripts table will only contain what i am gonna use) |
| 20:25.50 | Stan_ | lmfao Antiarc |
| 20:25.51 | Yarrlipsis | I'm watching a prot warrior vs. pally duel...and will probably still be watching it for quite some time |
| 20:25.54 | Xinhuan | x = (x == nil) or true |
| 20:26.49 | yssaril | Yarrlipsis: ever seen a holy pally vs resto druid? |
| 20:26.50 | Xinhuan | oops |
| 20:26.51 | Antiarc | Yarrlipsis: Resto druid vs Holy Paladin |
| 20:26.58 | Antiarc | Hah |
| 20:27.01 | Yarrlipsis | true |
| 20:27.01 | Xinhuan | you will need to update line 25-27 to check HasScript() |
| 20:27.11 | Yarrlipsis | i actually did one of those once |
| 20:27.19 | Antiarc | There was one such duel on my server that lasted for a little over three hours. |
| 20:27.19 | Yarrlipsis | on my druid vs. a friend on his pally |
| 20:27.30 | Yarrlipsis | eventually i just got bored and fled |
| 20:27.34 | yssaril | Xinhuan: i knew i forgot something |
| 20:27.52 | Xinhuan | HasScript will return true if the frame type can be set that "scripttype" (it doesn't tell you if the frame already has a script for that, you use GetScript() for that) |
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| 20:28.39 | Yarrlipsis | it's probably not worth bothering to check GetScript, won't hurt to nil something that's already nil |
| 20:28.42 | Josh_Borke | ~logs |
| 20:28.42 | purl | hmm... logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 20:29.00 | Xinhuan | tremove(t) will remove the last item in the table, and the function tremove() itself will return the value that is removed |
| 20:29.30 | yssaril | Xinhuan: here you go http://ace.pastey.net/74105 |
| 20:29.34 | Xinhuan | tremove(t, 1) will of course remove the first item, but that causes renumbering of everything in the table, which is unnecessary |
| 20:30.16 | Xinhuan | #table returns the size of the table |
| 20:30.21 | Yarrlipsis | ooh, looks like the pally is ahead...sorta |
| 20:30.23 | Xinhuan | think that should cover the code |
| 20:30.36 | yssaril | Xinhuan: just went over the code so newFrame = tremove(GUIFramePool[frameType]) assigns the last frame to the var and removes it from the table? |
| 20:30.46 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 20:30.53 | Xinhuan | that's exactly what it does |
| 20:31.08 | Xinhuan | removing the last item is better than removing the first one |
| 20:31.21 | Hjalte | I just logged in, summoned my pet and it had a dot on it... GJ Blizzard. |
| 20:31.35 | yssaril | Xinhuan: less work for lua to reconfig the table? |
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| 20:31.57 | Yarrlipsis | Hjalte, pets always keep buffs/debuffs while dismissed o.O |
| 20:32.09 | Xinhuan | if you have a table with say t = {1, 2, 3, 4}, and you tremove(t, 1), then you will have t == {2, 3, 4} |
| 20:32.10 | cncfanatics | is UNIT_SPELLCAST_STOPPED always triggered when a spell stops ? even if it got stopped due to interupts or anythng else? |
| 20:32.22 | Hjalte | Yarrlipsis, even through logging out? |
| 20:32.24 | Xinhuan | in otherwords t[2] became t[1] |
| 20:32.26 | Yarrlipsis | yes Hjalte |
| 20:32.29 | Xinhuan | and t[4] became t[3] |
| 20:32.30 | Yarrlipsis | *always* |
| 20:32.43 | Xinhuan | its a lot of background work to shift up the indexes of every item in the table |
| 20:33.07 | Josh_Borke | ckkscurvy: because you're too busy to post on jira about LibStub allowing negative numbers I went ahead and did it for you |
| 20:33.11 | Xinhuan | get it? :) |
| 20:33.14 | Yarrlipsis | although that can be used to your advantage, Hjalte... |
| 20:33.23 | Neebler | Avast ye mateys, I be dancin' a li'l pirate jig! |
| 20:33.37 | Yarrlipsis | if your pet is about to die from a DoT, you can dismiss it, and then have a bandage or mend/HF ready when you bring him back |
| 20:33.40 | yssaril | Xinhuan: kk also is there a way to check which variables all reference the frame and then clear them (by quering the frame) or is it easier to just do that in the code after i call the recycler? |
| 20:33.48 | Xinhuan | yssaril: no |
| 20:33.56 | Xinhuan | you will need to keep track of that stuff yourself |
| 20:34.19 | Xinhuan | the worst that can happen is another addon interfered with yours, and gets a frame of YOUR addon (such as skinner) |
| 20:34.22 | Xinhuan | and does stuff with it |
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| 20:34.33 | Xinhuan | and when you recycle that, that other addon doesn't know about it |
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| 20:34.47 | Xinhuan | and may try to do stuff to that frame that you tried to recycle in the future |
| 20:34.47 | yssaril | Xinhuan: ahhh |
| 20:35.13 | Yarrlipsis | ...and in an exciting turn of events, the warrior actually won by summoning a netherwing ally to dps for him |
| 20:35.17 | Xinhuan | frame recycling is, in general not really worth the trouble |
| 20:35.33 | Xinhuan | and table recycling should really be limited to a per-addon basis |
| 20:35.45 | yssaril | Xinhuan: thats what i am doing :) |
| 20:36.02 | Yarrlipsis | Xinhuan, why do you say table recycling should be per-addon? |
| 20:36.27 | Xinhuan | its too easy for table recycling to screw up |
| 20:37.01 | Xinhuan | if you did table recursion to free up a table, if your table contained a frame reference, then you just killed that frame |
| 20:37.01 | Yarrlipsis | i see, so it's more about being able to control all the code which could potentially be holding references? |
| 20:37.11 | yssaril | Xinhuan: i am making the frame recycler cause i am making a scrollframe that can possibly change each time it is updated and i want to keep track of all the frames i make and reuse them if at all possible |
| 20:37.11 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 20:37.19 | Xinhuan | you got it Yarrlipsis |
| 20:37.28 | Yarrlipsis | kk |
| 20:37.55 | Xinhuan | sounds reasonable yss |
| 20:38.54 | Shadowed| | Yarrlipsis, generally you can implement table recycling faster on your own, it's not something that you need a library for |
| 20:39.07 | Xinhuan | frames are tables basically, with a metatable that points to C functions |
| 20:39.15 | yssaril | Xinhuan: used the fauxscrollbar before (ugh) but didnt want to switch till i keep my frmaes under control didnt want to end up with thousands of empty frames floating around that arent really needed |
| 20:39.56 | yssaril | Xinhuan: thanks for the help am gonna go eat something now and then see if i can get it all to work :) |
| 20:40.06 | Xinhuan | Rock has table recycling in it, but it is namespaced |
| 20:40.22 | Xinhuan | so each addon that uses rock has its own namespaced set of recycled tables |
| 20:40.34 | Xinhuan | that other rock addons can't use |
| 20:41.04 | Xinhuan | that zeroes the chances that a recycling error in one addon will interfere in another addon |
| 20:41.07 | Shadowed| | yes, the recycling code for that is rather overcomplicated |
| 20:41.15 | Xinhuan | its basically extra overhead |
| 20:41.34 | Shadowed| | majority of the time, all you care about is either removing every entry in a table,or you're reusing the same table 50 times with the same keys |
| 20:41.41 | Shadowed| | both of which, only require a couple of extra lines |
| 20:41.50 | Yarrlipsis | wow, not every day someone buys a healthstone off me o.O |
| 20:42.36 | Yarrlipsis | Shadowed: i wasn't thinking a library should be used for table recycling, but duplicating the functionality in several addons hardly makes sense |
| 20:42.58 | Yarrlipsis | I was more considering implementing it for a sort of package I'm working on |
| 20:43.17 | Yarrlipsis | in which case it would be part of the core/libs, not any one addon |
| 20:43.40 | BreastOne | noob question: i've got my svn access, and i want to make a change to another author's toc (seems like they forgot a reference to an external), is this something i would just go ahead and change/commit? or do i submit a patch somewhere? |
| 20:43.51 | Xinhuan | when you recycle tables of frames, you really just need to make sure that nothing references the table or frame when you recycle it, or you will get weird unexplanable errors when some frame reference expects to find a certain frame that no longer exists or has morphed into another frame (or table) |
| 20:44.30 | Shadowed| | Yarrlipsis, duplicating code isn't bad |
| 20:44.43 | ben_ | Why nt |
| 20:44.44 | Yarrlipsis | it's inelegant at the least |
| 20:44.49 | Shadowed| | you're not goiing to automatically mmake your code inefficent just because you duplicate |
| 20:44.59 | Yarrlipsis | and when several addons are designed to be used together, it makes little sense |
| 20:45.12 | Shadowed| | like everything, bad optimizing is still bad even if it's optimizing |
| 20:45.15 | Yarrlipsis | this is not a public release project, just something for my own use |
| 20:45.23 | aestil | some code duplication which ensures that certain errors will not result when tables are recycled ins't the end of the world I don think. |
| 20:45.34 | Yarrlipsis | it doesn't prevent errors, just limits the scope of them |
| 20:45.41 | Shadowed| | code duplication just doesnt cause that much issues |
| 20:45.53 | Shadowed| | like everything, theres a time and a place to duplicate parts |
| 20:46.00 | aestil | it prevents errors in other addons when 1 addon goes haywire. |
| 20:46.17 | Yarrlipsis | aestil: if other addons use the function, sure |
| 20:46.55 | Yarrlipsis | even so, it's just confining the problem |
| 20:47.17 | Yarrlipsis | and I have nothing against that, but namespacing seems to make more sense as a solution |
| 20:47.34 | Xinhuan | its an ok solution, with a minor overhead |
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| 20:47.49 | Xinhuan | but that minor overhead isn't any better than duplicating recycling code |
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| 20:48.24 | Yarrlipsis | duplicating code isn't just an issue of efficiency, it's more difficult to maintain |
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| 20:50.37 | cncfanatics | if its across multiple addons, not reallt |
| 20:50.42 | cncfanatics | each author manages his own recycling code |
| 20:51.05 | CIA-22 | 03jerry * r49303 10PitBull_AltAura/options.lua: PitBull_AltAura: bugfixes, thanks Sirian |
| 20:52.17 | CIA-22 | 03celellach * r49304 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/burningcrusade.en.lua: |
| 20:52.18 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
| 20:52.18 | CIA-22 | - Fixed typo in Leggings of the Unrepentant |
| 20:52.33 | Yarrlipsis | sigh...that's my point, though |
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| 20:52.43 | Yarrlipsis | it should be done per-author, not per-addon |
| 20:53.00 | JoshBorke | per instance! |
| 20:53.05 | ben_ | per second |
| 20:53.15 | Yarrlipsis | per ostrich? |
| 20:53.22 | JoshBorke | persian? |
| 20:53.29 | Yarrlipsis | purple? |
| 20:54.03 | yssaril | back |
| 20:55.00 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | ckkscurvy |
| 20:55.03 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | ping |
| 20:55.39 | yssaril | btw i have heard that that table recycling for big tables is worthless and to let the GC take care of it? how big is big? |
| 20:56.06 | CIA-22 | 03Tristan * r49305 10Enhancer/ (18 files in 4 dirs): |
| 20:56.06 | CIA-22 | Enhancer: |
| 20:56.06 | CIA-22 | - Added options for settings to the text parts |
| 20:56.06 | CIA-22 | - Using SinkLib for output instead of UIErrorsFrame only |
| 20:56.15 | Xinhuan | yssaril: the aim of all addons should still be to reduce garbage generation |
| 20:56.56 | Xinhuan | letting GC automatically taking care of huge tables in "theory" is better in the sense that less CPU clock cycles is needed on a overall grand scheme/scale |
| 20:57.00 | yssaril | Xinhuan: agreed but does it makes sense that the recycler takes longer than the GC? |
| 20:57.15 | Xinhuan | the GC does it "faster" |
| 20:57.24 | Xinhuan | but it does it like once per hour |
| 20:57.28 | Xinhuan | if you don't generate much garbage |
| 20:57.30 | Yarrlipsis | (unless you force it) |
| 20:57.49 | Xinhuan | so its pretty much meaningless |
| 20:58.11 | yssaril | k |
| 20:58.12 | Xinhuan | esp since wow is more optimized to do more garbage collection in 2.3 |
| 20:58.31 | Xinhuan | when out of combat |
| 20:58.56 | yssaril | Xinhuan: where did you read that> |
| 20:59.08 | Xinhuan | its posted by slouken yesterday somewhere |
| 20:59.15 | Xinhuan | or a few days ago |
| 20:59.20 | yssaril | ahh |
| 21:00.40 | Xinhuan | so basically, GC will occur more often and more aggressively |
| 21:00.53 | aestil | link to notes on UI changes in 2.3 please? |
| 21:00.54 | TNSe | ROAR. |
| 21:01.21 | Xinhuan | you can find it on the UI forums, the compiled 2.3 changes by iriel |
| 21:01.22 | Nickenyfiken | Best think i 2.3 will be the "get all items from ah" function |
| 21:01.32 | Nickenyfiken | *thing |
| 21:01.37 | Zariel | hello ah farming |
| 21:01.48 | cncfanatics | !api IsSpellInRange |
| 21:01.48 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: inRange = IsSpellInRange(spellID, spellType, unit) -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_IsSpellInRange |
| 21:01.55 | Yarrlipsis | that will certainly make things easier on auctioneer/etc. coders |
| 21:02.01 | Xinhuan | it just means more addons will be created that will show all 7000 items on the AH instead of 50 at a time |
| 21:02.12 | Yarrlipsis | *shudder* |
| 21:02.24 | Xinhuan | and actually create competition for the auctioneer addon |
| 21:02.26 | Xinhuan | perhaps |
| 21:02.28 | cncfanatics | can only be done once every 15 mins |
| 21:02.41 | Yarrlipsis | although, ideally, that means someone could create a much cleaner interface |
| 21:02.46 | Xinhuan | yeah but its still a wonderful thing to grab all 7000, have an addon sort thru all 7000 |
| 21:02.58 | Xinhuan | and figure out what to do with all that data, what is good to bottomfeed, etc |
| 21:03.07 | Xinhuan | and then buy those manually |
| 21:03.07 | Yarrlipsis | which might (wishful thinking) spur some improvements to Blizzard's AH |
| 21:03.24 | Xinhuan | i'm sure someone will come up with such an addon and compete with AA |
| 21:03.24 | TE|Kulaar | has anyone else problems with the Reporting Function of Assessment? |
| 21:03.26 | yssaril | Yarrlipsis: have you checked out the new UI form auctioneer advanced |
| 21:03.48 | Yarrlipsis | I haven't used auctioneer in a long time, and i haven't checked out the advanced one, no |
| 21:03.54 | yssaril | http://auctioneeraddon.com/advanced/CompactUI.jpg |
| 21:04.07 | Yarrlipsis | hmm |
| 21:04.11 | Jazradel | i'm using it right now |
| 21:04.17 | Yarrlipsis | it's slimmer, but there's so much more they could do |
| 21:04.20 | Jazradel | compact ui actually gets really annoying |
| 21:04.34 | aestil | i request that ckk's talent snooping function be built into blizzards thing so we can know the spec of people we group with. |
| 21:04.47 | yssaril | Jazradel: its in beta still (alpha even maybe) |
| 21:04.54 | Jazradel | i know |
| 21:05.04 | Yarrlipsis | when the full AH scan is implemented, there are so many features to add... |
| 21:05.24 | Yarrlipsis | more useful search filters alone would make me consider actually using an AH addon |
| 21:05.54 | yssaril | Yarrlipsis: problem is i dont think you can actually purchase bid on items using the full scan |
| 21:05.56 | CIA-22 | 03cncfanatics 07Rock * r49306 10FlexBar2/FlexBar2/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 21:05.56 | CIA-22 | FlexBar2: |
| 21:05.56 | CIA-22 | FlexBar2.toc: |
| 21:05.56 | CIA-22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.56 | CIA-22 | Action.lua |
| 21:05.56 | CIA-22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.58 | CIA-22 | Highlighting.lua |
| 21:06.02 | cncfanatics | g'night everyone |
| 21:06.33 | aestil | cncfanatics flexbar 2 is rock now? |
| 21:07.09 | Yarrlipsis | yssaril: easily worked around, I'm sure |
| 21:07.10 | Tuller | he just added it for fun, I would assume :P |
| 21:07.13 | dylanm | Too slow :p |
| 21:07.17 | Bver | Does anyone know if there is the default debuff colors in r,g,b format listed on wowwik? |
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| 21:08.16 | orionshock | morning all |
| 21:08.43 | yssaril | Yarrlipsis: idk we will have to see what kind of info it provides but someone will think of something thats for sure (at least i wont have to idle at the AH for 10min to update my data) |
| 21:08.50 | Tuller | DebuffTypeColor = { }; |
| 21:08.52 | Tuller | DebuffTypeColor["none"]= { r = 0.80, g = 0, b = 0 }; |
| 21:08.53 | Tuller | DebuffTypeColor["Magic"]= { r = 0.20, g = 0.60, b = 1.00 }; |
| 21:08.55 | Tuller | DebuffTypeColor["Curse"]= { r = 0.60, g = 0.00, b = 1.00 }; |
| 21:08.56 | Tuller | DebuffTypeColor["Disease"]= { r = 0.60, g = 0.40, b = 0 }; |
| 21:08.58 | Tuller | DebuffTypeColor["Poison"]= { r = 0.00, g = 0.60, b = 0 }; |
| 21:09.12 | yssaril | Tuller: you got that memorized? |
| 21:09.19 | Tuller | I looked them up :P |
| 21:09.42 | yssaril | Tuller: bah and to think i was impressed /sigh |
| 21:09.45 | Bver | thanks alot |
| 21:09.55 | dylanm | Is that a built-in table? |
| 21:10.17 | yssaril | btw waht is flexbar anyway anyone got a pic? |
| 21:10.21 | Pheredhel | Hi |
| 21:10.39 | Pheredhel | Kaelten: ping |
| 21:11.16 | Yarrlipsis | I asked this a few hours ago, and got no response, so I'm gonna try again: |
| 21:11.19 | Yarrlipsis | Blizz_RaidUI has been intermittently throwing "attempt to compare number with nil" when I die in certain groups. Blizz bug or taint? |
| 21:11.39 | mikmarrr | i've been having same sort of errors with party |
| 21:11.55 | mikmarrr | everytime priest uses his pet, everyone in party gets an error |
| 21:11.59 | Pheredhel | Yarrlipsis: tried it with all addons disabled? |
| 21:12.11 | Yarrlipsis | it's very hard to reproduce |
| 21:12.12 | Pheredhel | mikmarrr: same |
| 21:12.29 | Yarrlipsis | I can't really be sure whether I've fixed it or it just decided to stop happening |
| 21:13.02 | Yarrlipsis | I was hoping someone had experienced the problem or might have some insight into the inner workings of the RaidUI code |
| 21:14.26 | Pheredhel | t's hard to debug something with almost no information |
| 21:14.37 | Pheredhel | what line did it report? |
| 21:14.49 | Jazradel | Yarrlipsis: same |
| 21:15.46 | Yarrlipsis | I'm well aware Pheredhel, but I haven't been able to get much information because it happens so rarely and unexpectedly |
| 21:16.08 | Yarrlipsis | I didn't catch the line number when I got it yesterday; I've been running instances ever since hoping it would happen again, but so far, nothing |
| 21:16.22 | Pheredhel | what are "certain groups" = |
| 21:16.28 | Xinhuan | i haven't seen that error for months |
| 21:16.32 | Xinhuan | so i'll assume its a taint |
| 21:16.34 | Xinhuan | of some sort |
| 21:16.44 | Xinhuan | with some addon |
| 21:16.46 | Pheredhel | maybe fixed... |
| 21:16.54 | Yarrlipsis | well, as far as I can tell, when I get that error on death, it seems to happen *every* time I die while in that group |
| 21:17.10 | Yarrlipsis | I don't know if it's related to the group makeup, or something else I'm missing |
| 21:17.18 | Yarrlipsis | perhaps even only in certain instances |
| 21:17.29 | Jazradel | i've only ever experianced it in kara |
| 21:17.35 | Yarrlipsis | and I've only been running 5-mans |
| 21:17.38 | Pheredhel | so only with one special group .. |
| 21:17.44 | Yarrlipsis | which makes me wonder why RaidUI is involved at all |
| 21:18.12 | Pheredhel | what addons do you have installed? |
| 21:18.47 | Yarrlipsis | a whole lot |
| 21:18.49 | Yarrlipsis | >_< |
| 21:19.01 | Yarrlipsis | most are from WowAce |
| 21:19.32 | Yarrlipsis | the only group/raid-related ones I can think of are PitBull and oRA2 |
| 21:19.59 | stavmar | what is the dogtag code needed to only show classes for players and not NPCs? Is it [SmartClass]? |
| 21:20.02 | Jazradel | do you use PhanxChat |
| 21:20.16 | stavmar | I keep getting Paladin to show up for an enemy target with Mana? |
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| 21:20.40 | Yarrlipsis | no Jazradel, I wrote my own chat mod |
| 21:20.55 | Yarrlipsis | stavmar, IIRC it's [PlayerClass] |
| 21:21.14 | Jazradel | okay, i was just asking cause that causes another problem with the raid ui |
| 21:21.21 | Jazradel | wondered if they were related |
| 21:22.14 | stavmar | Yarrlipsis: TY |
| 21:22.42 | Pheredhel | Yarrlipsis: I'd guess ora2, as pitbull worksforme |
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| 21:23.25 | Yarrlipsis | but oRA2 doesn't even get enabled in a 5-man |
| 21:23.38 | Yarrlipsis | so that seems highly unlikely to cause problems |
| 21:24.03 | Elfire | any warlocks using AutoBar? |
| 21:24.21 | Pheredhel | hmm, can you list the addons installed ? |
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| 21:24.31 | Yarrlipsis | sure, lemme pastey it |
| 21:24.42 | Pheredhel | good idea |
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| 21:25.24 | stavmar | Elfire: yeah? |
| 21:26.06 | Elfire | stavmar: can you put spellstone creation on it? |
| 21:26.23 | Hjalte | yarrlipsis and pheredhel, using grid? |
| 21:26.47 | Pheredhel | no, just pitbull and decursive |
| 21:26.57 | ckkscurvy | hey all |
| 21:27.00 | stavmar | Elfire: no spells except for the mount ones i believe |
| 21:27.06 | Gandharva | does bigwigs have range check for naj'entus? |
| 21:27.13 | Stan_ | wb ckk |
| 21:27.14 | Pheredhel | new name ck ? |
| 21:27.23 | ckkscurvy | it's talk like a pirate day |
| 21:27.24 | ckkscurvy | arrr |
| 21:27.25 | Hjalte | Yarrrr, ckkscurvy, Pitbull is mighty fine! |
| 21:27.25 | Funkeh` | Gandharva: you can't range check najentus |
| 21:27.26 | Elfire | stavmar: you can create healthstones on it... |
| 21:27.44 | Gandharva | dbm does |
| 21:27.55 | Funkeh` | DBM gives false information |
| 21:28.00 | Funkeh` | It does 10yd |
| 21:28.02 | Yarrlipsis | http://ace.pastey.net/74106 |
| 21:28.12 | Gandharva | huh? how that? |
| 21:28.15 | stavmar | that is true, but he addied that as a special request, i guess you could do the same for spellstones |
| 21:28.25 | Funkeh` | Read the code and stop bitching. |
| 21:28.26 | Hjalte | Hmm. I think ckknight is one of the only ones in this channel to say he has (a) Parrot.. :P Happy Pirates day and Good night. |
| 21:28.30 | Elfire | ok i see |
| 21:28.33 | Elfire | thanks |
| 21:28.37 | Elfire | arrrr. |
| 21:29.40 | Yarrlipsis | and to answer your quesetion Hjalte, no Grid :/ |
| 21:29.42 | ckkscurvy | hehe |
| 21:29.55 | Gandharva | hm, but 10yd is better than nothing. don't you think? |
| 21:30.52 | Funkeh` | No |
| 21:32.01 | Xinhuan | Funkeh`: my last najentus kill, i've noticed that he casts his shield on himself always with 2 secs left on the timer to his next shield |
| 21:32.20 | Xinhuan | meaning the cd is like 58 secs rather than 60 |
| 21:32.35 | Funkeh` | Xinhuan: could ahve told me 5 min ago before I killed him huh? ;p |
| 21:32.48 | Xinhuan | well did you have the same issue? |
| 21:32.49 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 21:32.58 | Funkeh` | I didn't really pay attention |
| 21:33.00 | Gandharva | Funkeh`: for ranged, I'd say yes. and for melee it's useless all the time imo |
| 21:33.02 | Xinhuan | my last naj kill was just yesterday |
| 21:33.17 | Killmore | Funkeh`: WTB range check for kaz'rogal :\ |
| 21:33.38 | Funkeh` | Why? |
| 21:33.59 | Gandharva | Funkeh`: there's enough space for ranged to go 10yds. so 10yds > no check |
| 21:35.02 | Funkeh` | Killmore |
| 21:35.20 | Killmore | Funkeh`: when your oom you explode and make everyone in 10-15 yards explode to |
| 21:35.41 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49307 10Ace2/AceEvent-2.0/AceEvent-2.0.lua: .AceEvent-2.0 - possible bugfix |
| 21:35.57 | syeren | ckkscurvy :p |
| 21:36.03 | ckkscurvy | yarrrrrrr |
| 21:36.12 | syeren | http://fabrikate.org/store/WoWScrnShot_091907_104941.jpg |
| 21:36.17 | syeren | Rock Config isn't so cool ;p |
| 21:36.29 | Killmore | broken! |
| 21:36.30 | syeren | I loved setting it up -_- |
| 21:36.35 | ckkscurvy | ick |
| 21:36.41 | ckkscurvy | syeren: yea, that's a bug I need to fix |
| 21:36.59 | ckkscurvy | see, what I _want_ to also do is have the textures somehow show right there as well... |
| 21:37.02 | ckkscurvy | like it does with fonts |
| 21:37.07 | Funkeh` | Killmore: okay |
| 21:37.12 | JoshBorke | ckkscurvy: yea! taht's a great idea! recount does that and i <3 it |
| 21:37.14 | alcohol | ckkscurvy: sexy idea |
| 21:37.21 | syeren | Really isn't helpful when trying to set up Unit Frames when the Rock Config box is so huuuuge :P |
| 21:37.38 | ckkscurvy | syeren: I'll make the mousewheel work, basically |
| 21:37.39 | syeren | And then you resize it and you have to scroll a bunch :p |
| 21:37.39 | Zariel | can resize it |
| 21:37.52 | alcohol | syeren: dude |
| 21:37.56 | alcohol | syeren: wtf are you using? |
| 21:38.03 | syeren | In regards to what? |
| 21:38.05 | alcohol | everyone should be running wow at 1920x1200, like me |
| 21:38.11 | Yarrlipsis | l2UIscale :P |
| 21:38.26 | alcohol | you're what, 800x600 ? |
| 21:38.27 | syeren | There is no need to. |
| 21:38.33 | syeren | 1600X1200? |
| 21:38.38 | alcohol | omg |
| 21:38.40 | alcohol | UIscale |
| 21:38.40 | alcohol | plz |
| 21:39.00 | syeren | I can run WoW at 2560X1600, it's just a bit big ;p |
| 21:39.02 | alcohol | that doesn't look like 1600x1200 at all |
| 21:39.12 | alcohol | everything is so huge |
| 21:39.17 | syeren | What do you expect? |
| 21:39.18 | Yarrlipsis | alcohol, the screenshot is at 1600x1200 if you paid attention :P |
| 21:39.26 | syeren | I loaded up the character / account for the first time ever. |
| 21:39.27 | alcohol | I don't pay attention |
| 21:39.31 | alcohol | I'm WoW'ing |
| 21:39.34 | alcohol | window mode ftw |
| 21:39.53 | Yarrlipsis | still, i have to agree, that UI needs more scale :P |
| 21:39.59 | syeren | Why? |
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| 21:40.04 | syeren | Finished version doesn't need any. |
| 21:40.05 | alcohol | why? |
| 21:40.25 | Yarrlipsis | well, I suppose everything there has individual scale configuration... |
| 21:40.49 | Yarrlipsis | but it just seems easier to me to do it all at once |
| 21:41.00 | Yarrlipsis | plus, I don't like huge character frames, etc. |
| 21:41.09 | Yarrlipsis | but that's just personal opinion |
| 21:41.21 | syeren | Yes, because I have them like that before I re-scale... |
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| 21:42.12 | Killmore | Funkeh`: so, what do you think about kaz'rogal range check ? |
| 21:42.17 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | ah |
| 21:42.21 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | ckkscurvy ping |
| 21:42.41 | Funkeh` | Killmore: I'll add a range for for people with the debuff below 2k mana |
| 21:42.49 | ckkscurvy | pong |
| 21:42.52 | ckkscurvy | (yarr) |
| 21:43.02 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | yarrrrrr |
| 21:43.07 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 21:43.28 | Killmore | Funkeh`: its pretty fast I think its like 800mana per tick, let me check the log |
| 21:43.39 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | it's not fixed ckkscurvy, at least not the issue me that IVsomething guy talked about, and it's a long standing bug in omen for like 3 months, guess you might want to know :) |
| 21:43.55 | ckkscurvy | oh |
| 21:43.59 | ckkscurvy | separate bug, then |
| 21:44.02 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | yes. |
| 21:44.03 | ckkscurvy | I fixed the bug I caused |
| 21:44.07 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | yes |
| 21:44.21 | orionshock | Noooo |
| 21:44.53 | orionshock | not all the Lib-X versions don't have compatibility layers with older ones .. :( |
| 21:44.56 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | basicially what happens is that after zoning, threat-1.0 won't report your own threat anymore, unless you reloadui, after that it works again, until the next reloadui. if you feel bored, feel free to take a look at it and beat antiarc over the head if you find a the cause |
| 21:45.12 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | -a |
| 21:45.25 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | it's pretty sneaky |
| 21:45.30 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | doesn't happen for everyone |
| 21:45.33 | Antiarc | I still haven't been able to find a cause for this :( |
| 21:45.38 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | http://loliserv.org/~afora/OmenBugInterface.rar |
| 21:45.42 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | reproduction interface |
| 21:45.48 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | have you managed to reproduce it at least? |
| 21:45.54 | ckkscurvy | orionshock: I might add more as I get the time |
| 21:46.05 | orionshock | i know |
| 21:46.07 | Antiarc | I hadn't tried with your UI - I'll download it and do it post raiding tonight |
| 21:46.13 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | <3 |
| 21:46.28 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | it's a bit outdated, before that whole rock thing, but it's still happening |
| 21:46.37 | Starrrrr | need Threat for Rock :p |
| 21:46.42 | orionshock | i decided to make a new folder with just a toc with opt dep on all the Lib-x versions in it... considering i load them all anyway might as well load them first :D |
| 21:46.49 | Yarrlipsis | is LibStub in a usable state for new libraries, or is it not stable enough yet? |
| 21:46.50 | ckkscurvy | Antiarc: people were bitching earlier about me hacking ThreatLib to be Rcok, even though I asked you each time I committed |
| 21:46.50 | Antiarc | Threat's compatible with Rock addons |
| 21:46.53 | orionshock | and it still didn't work |
| 21:46.57 | ckkscurvy | yea, Threat's compatible now |
| 21:47.04 | ckkscurvy | over time, I'll make it more compatible |
| 21:47.06 | Antiarc | Yes, every change ckk made to Threat was done with my blessing |
| 21:47.08 | Antiarc | So no bitching :P |
| 21:47.15 | ckkscurvy | until, finally, it'll reach a level of compatibility that will destroy the world. |
| 21:47.21 | Antiarc | But I don't plan on moving Threat to another framework or making major changes until at least 2.4 |
| 21:47.35 | Starrrrr | :( |
| 21:47.36 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | ckkscurvy you will never be compatible with anduinlothar or kaelten. |
| 21:47.40 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | or Cidan. |
| 21:47.50 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | thus, your plan fails |
| 21:47.52 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | ~fail ckkscurvy |
| 21:47.53 | purl | ckkscurvy: Fail. |
| 21:47.54 | Cidarrrrrn | er |
| 21:47.54 | Cidarrrrrn | what |
| 21:48.04 | ckkscurvy | AnduinLothar and I have a reasonable repore now |
| 21:48.13 | ckkscurvy | and I don't have any real issue with Cidarrrrrn |
| 21:48.16 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | oh really? that#s great. |
| 21:48.19 | ckkscurvy | he just doesn't believe in libraries |
| 21:48.19 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | *that's |
| 21:48.38 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | he also can't stand your stuff. remotely. |
| 21:48.45 | ckkscurvy | well, there's that |
| 21:48.49 | Cidarrrrrn | I don't believe in _flawed implementation_ |
| 21:48.52 | Cidarrrrrn | That's all |
| 21:48.53 | Cidarrrrrn | :P |
| 21:48.57 | ckkscurvy | whoops, fist |
| 21:48.59 | ckkscurvy | not fish |
| 21:49.00 | Starrrrr | ckkscurvy: found a funky bug in cowtip today |
| 21:49.05 | ckkscurvy | what's that? |
| 21:49.06 | Starrrrr | its on jira |
| 21:49.12 | ckkscurvy | okay |
| 21:49.14 | Funkeh` | no |
| 21:49.16 | Funkeh` | its not funky |
| 21:49.18 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | Cidarrrrrn so tell us about those flaws |
| 21:49.19 | Funkeh` | its strange |
| 21:49.19 | Starrrrr | it was |
| 21:49.24 | Starrrrr | funky font switching :P |
| 21:49.26 | Cidarrrrrn | Really, the API will be open enough in what I'm doing that anyone can write say, a Fubar plugin |
| 21:49.46 | Cidarrrrrn | I just won't do it my self, nor will I offer support |
| 21:49.47 | ckkscurvy | Cidarrrrrn: LibFuBarPlugin-3.0 fixes a lot of issues, but still being worked on |
| 21:50.03 | Yarrlipsis | since it got lost last time: is LibStub in a usable state for new libraries, or is it not stable enough yet? |
| 21:50.06 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | Cidarrrrrn: could i write a plugin that redirects all traffic thru ChatThrottleLib? |
| 21:50.23 | Cidarrrrrn | in theory, sure. |
| 21:50.25 | ckkscurvy | Yarrlipsis: there are issues to be resolved |
| 21:50.30 | Yarrlipsis | ok |
| 21:50.37 | Cidarrrrrn | I don't think it would be an issue |
| 21:50.38 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | grrrrrrrrreat. i'm way too lazy to do so, but that's still great. |
| 21:50.39 | Yarrlipsis | is the API settled? |
| 21:50.44 | ckkscurvy | yea |
| 21:50.49 | Yarrlipsis | good enough for me |
| 21:50.51 | Yarrlipsis | thanks :) |
| 21:51.03 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | Cidarrrrrn I know it will never cause disconnects etc. etc.... i'm still paranoid about it. |
| 21:51.04 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 21:51.07 | JoshBorke | ~lart sarrrg_ich_nicht |
| 21:51.07 | purl | DoSes sarrrg_ich_nicht |
| 21:51.11 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | no |
| 21:51.12 | kaiden | Anyone else have issues with ClosetGnome's keybindings no longer working after upgrading to FuBar (Rock) |
| 21:51.17 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | i didn't have time today either, Josh. |
| 21:51.18 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | sorry |
| 21:51.24 | JoshBorke | i don't care |
| 21:51.27 | JoshBorke | i'm working on other stuff |
| 21:51.30 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | o rly |
| 21:51.34 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | like what |
| 21:51.42 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | (in before obligatory "ur mom") |
| 21:51.55 | JoshBorke | sarrrg_ich_nicht: LegoBlock |
| 21:52.09 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | yarrr |
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| 21:54.17 | ChompARRS | ckknight, what's that new dogtag tag you made, [talentspec] ? |
| 21:54.46 | sb | yup |
| 21:55.19 | ben_ | ChompARRS: It displays a talent spec. |
| 21:55.21 | ben_ | >:[ |
| 21:55.59 | ckkscurvy | ChompARRS: displays as 0/41/20 |
| 21:56.01 | ckkscurvy | and such |
| 21:56.13 | ckkscurvy | I plan on making one that shows "Holy", "Restoration", etc. |
| 21:56.16 | Yarrlipsis | that's hot |
| 21:56.18 | ckkscurvy | a bit later |
| 21:56.32 | ckkscurvy | yea, can be useful |
| 21:56.59 | sb | oh right - i can also use it in pitbull, not cowtip only *bonk* |
| 21:56.59 | ckkscurvy | "Resto druid, eh? Wtf Feral /gkick" |
| 21:57.40 | kaiden | ckkscurvy, does it use tattle to work? |
| 21:57.42 | sb | okay rockconfig is _really_ nice to change pitbull config stuff :o |
| 21:57.50 | ckkscurvy | no, kaiden, uses comm |
| 21:57.54 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | ckkscurvy. |
| 21:57.55 | ckkscurvy | sb: but it could be better! |
| 21:58.04 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | Hybrid tag for the planed one |
| 21:58.04 | ckkscurvy | yes, sarrrg_ich_nicht? |
| 21:58.05 | sb | finally i can actually see whats in my 'custom' field while changing style to custom %-) |
| 21:58.13 | kaiden | ckkscurvy, does it require you to select your battle group? |
| 21:58.20 | ckkscurvy | kaiden: it's automatic |
| 21:58.24 | kaiden | ckkscurvy, very nice :) |
| 21:58.29 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | using the same system the armory uses for deciding that |
| 21:58.31 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | plskthx. |
| 21:58.35 | kaiden | and i take it you just dump the armory data out every so often |
| 21:58.46 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | kaiden rong |
| 21:58.47 | ckkscurvy | kaiden: no, it sends a query to the other person |
| 21:58.53 | ckkscurvy | it doesn't work for Arena stuff |
| 21:58.58 | kaiden | ohhh ok :P |
| 21:58.58 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | he just uses addon send whispers |
| 21:59.01 | kaiden | so they have to be using it too |
| 21:59.04 | kaiden | neat |
| 21:59.06 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | and blocks it in arena to prevent it same faction wise |
| 21:59.17 | Yarrlipsis | yeah but anyone with a clue uses PitBull already so... :P |
| 21:59.28 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | lies |
| 21:59.32 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | i don't use pitbull |
| 21:59.33 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | and won't |
| 21:59.47 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | i use fubar and cowtip and parrot tho :P |
| 22:00.01 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | okay. |
| 22:00.03 | Yarrlipsis | cowtip would do it too :P |
| 22:00.04 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | stop. |
| 22:00.08 | kaiden | Yarrlipsis, meh, not all of the world thinks that way |
| 22:00.22 | Yarrlipsis | i was just kidding, sheesh |
| 22:00.39 | Yarrlipsis | I'm aware there are other unit frame addons out there, and some of the alternatives are very nice and have their own advantages |
| 22:00.47 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | Mass Effect has a Human Female on Alien Humanoid Female sex scene with nudity. |
| 22:00.51 | kaiden | no i'm saying, not everyone in the world has a clue |
| 22:00.51 | kaiden | :P |
| 22:00.59 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | no, kaiden. |
| 22:01.01 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | Mass Effect has a Human Female on Alien Humanoid Female sex scene with nudity. |
| 22:01.08 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | that is more important than what ever you have to say. |
| 22:01.14 | Yarrlipsis | ... |
| 22:01.18 | kaiden | what's a good wardrobe mod? |
| 22:01.28 | sb | sarrrg_ich_nicht: uhm... what kind of alien? :P |
| 22:01.38 | sb | and whats mass effect? :p |
| 22:01.40 | Yarrlipsis | humanoid? |
| 22:01.42 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | a game. |
| 22:01.50 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/18-09-2007-6482.html |
| 22:01.54 | ChompARRS | ckknight, might be a problem with that idea, what about hybrid specs |
| 22:01.58 | Yarrlipsis | kaiden - ClosetGnome or ItemRack? |
| 22:02.05 | ckkscurvy | ChompARRS: oh, use a slash :-P |
| 22:02.08 | kaiden | Yarrlipsis, closetgnome seems to not work correctly right now |
| 22:02.09 | ckkscurvy | Resto/Ele |
| 22:02.11 | ckkscurvy | or whatever |
| 22:02.16 | kaiden | it's keybindings system isn't working |
| 22:02.21 | ckkscurvy | ChompARRS: I'd just have to work out a ratio |
| 22:02.30 | ckkscurvy | like it your one spec has 75% of the other, count as a hybrid |
| 22:02.34 | sb | "If playing as a male character the scene can take place between him and a human woman or a humanoid female alien." |
| 22:02.43 | sb | mhh... why not human woman AND humanoid female alien? :p |
| 22:02.50 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | because fail. |
| 22:02.54 | sb | :( |
| 22:02.55 | vhaarr | kaiden: really? |
| 22:03.00 | vhaarr | kaiden: when did it break? |
| 22:03.00 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | ckkscurvy: use the same mechanic the armory uses for deciding if it should display Hybrid. |
| 22:03.01 | Yarrlipsis | there's plenty of room to complicate it further than that ckkscurvy! |
| 22:03.06 | ChompARRS | if they're within 3 points of eachother, it puts talent/talent |
| 22:03.11 | ChompARRS | something like that perhaps? |
| 22:03.19 | ckkscurvy | ChompARRS: I figure 75% would be good |
| 22:03.19 | vhaarr | kaiden: I'll fix that tomorrow |
| 22:03.33 | kaiden | vhaarr, not sure but i just sat there for 20 mins trying ti and couldn't get them to work |
| 22:03.35 | Yarrlipsis | i mean, really, only hybrid classes like dr00ds/shamans/pallies have "pure" and "hybrid" specs... |
| 22:03.42 | kaiden | i think maybe it might have to do with the change to ROCK as it worked before |
| 22:03.49 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | yeah sure. never seen an arms/fury warrior. AT ALL. |
| 22:03.51 | kaiden | i dunno how much effect that would have on it though |
| 22:03.52 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | ~facepalm |
| 22:03.52 | purl | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 22:03.52 | Yarrlipsis | for other classes, half and half is a valid spec without being considered a "hybrid" |
| 22:03.55 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | ~fail Yarrlipsis |
| 22:03.55 | purl | Yarrlipsis: Fail. |
| 22:03.58 | ckkscurvy | so so 0/41/20 wouldn't be hybrid, but 0/34/27 is hybrid |
| 22:04.15 | Yarrlipsis | :D sarrrg_ich_nicht |
| 22:04.24 | vhaarr | kaiden: hm, probably some framework things that broke it indeed, but I'll take a look tomorrow |
| 22:04.42 | kaiden | vhaarr, thanks a bunch, i had to whip my gnome and he didn't start working so i'm lost without him |
| 22:04.43 | kaiden | :) |
| 22:04.51 | vhaarr | hehe |
| 22:04.54 | durcyn | hm, i successfully bound a key to a new set yesterday, with rock addons installed |
| 22:05.08 | kaiden | yes but did you attempt using it? |
| 22:05.17 | kaiden | it says the key binds successfully but when pressing the keybindings nothing happens |
| 22:05.19 | Yarrlipsis | I'm not having any problems with ClosetGnome...then again, I don't use keybindings |
| 22:05.28 | durcyn | yes, it was an arcane resist set, and solarian didn't kill me, so i'm pretty sure it worked |
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| 22:06.04 | kaiden | then maybe i'm just unlucky as i just created 2 sets for my druid DPS/Tank, set their keys, it stated the keys were set |
| 22:06.08 | kaiden | pressing them did nothing |
| 22:06.38 | kaiden | reinstalling the gnome and trying again |
| 22:06.56 | durcyn | stupid question, but were you in combat at any point during the switch? |
| 22:07.08 | kaiden | standing in the middle of shat, and i'm not an idiot ;) |
| 22:07.15 | durcyn | i have seen set changes fail then get stuck that way, ok |
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| 22:07.31 | Yarrlipsis | sarrrg_ich_nicht, interesting on that Mass Effect thing...I like how female characters can have sex with other females, but males can't have sex with males :P |
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| 22:07.46 | durcyn | vhaarr: and if you're really bored, how about either finishing or cancelling queued swaps on resurrect =/ |
| 22:08.27 | ckkscurvy | yarr |
| 22:08.38 | durcyn | vhaarr: it waits until the -next- time leaving combat as it is now, which is amazing for hitting a set that removes durability then re-entering, say, hyjal, then noticing ten minutes later that you've just gotten naked |
| 22:08.49 | ckkscurvy | oh a pirate's life's the life for me, trim the sails and roam the sea! |
| 22:08.54 | Yarrlipsis | that is a fun one durcyn |
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| 22:09.02 | kaiden | ckkscurvy, you wow pirate ;) |
| 22:09.08 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | Yarrlipsis it has interspecies lesbians. anyone who sees any kind of problem with there not being a similiar male interaction doesn't see the implications of interspecies(not interrace) homosexual interaction and needs to stfu. |
| 22:09.09 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | ;) |
| 22:09.11 | ckkscurvy | that's guybrush threepwood |
| 22:09.32 | Yarrlipsis | ckkscurvy, ilu |
| 22:09.38 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | and now |
| 22:09.38 | vhaarr | durcyn: hm, okay, it's not supposed to support anything like that |
| 22:09.40 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | good night. |
| 22:10.17 | kaiden | vhaarr, i will say this when i set it to switch to my "Tank" set when i hit bear form it worked |
| 22:10.17 | durcyn | vhaarr: hrm? it just seems that queued swaps only fire on PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED |
| 22:10.28 | kaiden | and now after reinstalling keybindings are working |
| 22:10.33 | kaiden | maybe i just had some really weird bug |
| 22:10.37 | Yarrlipsis | good god, someone is trying to sell the Crusader enchant pattern for 500g on my server |
| 22:10.47 | vhaarr | durcyn: yes |
| 22:11.00 | vhaarr | durcyn: but you want them to fire when you res? |
| 22:11.02 | kaiden | vhaarr, uhm.. looks like weird bug is still here :P it switched to Tank gear when i hit bear form |
| 22:11.09 | kaiden | i hit my keybindings to switch to dps set, it switched |
| 22:11.11 | durcyn | vhaarr: or cancel, or at least an option to do one of those |
| 22:11.19 | kaiden | i hit the tank keybindings again to switch back to tank set, nothing happens |
| 22:11.24 | vhaarr | kaiden: okay |
| 22:11.30 | kaiden | i put on tank gear and hit dps keybinding and nothing happens |
| 22:11.38 | kaiden | so... very weird to say the least |
| 22:11.39 | kaiden | :) |
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| 22:12.12 | vhaarr | kaiden: works perfectly here |
| 22:12.20 | durcyn | vhaarr: it's situational, but certainly possible to be wearing a full set, then switch, then spend a lot of time forgetting you queued a swap until PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED comes around again |
| 22:12.43 | vhaarr | durcyn: true, I'll make it process when you res |
| 22:13.03 | kaiden | oh also i wonder if since i'm a druid whenever i shift it automatically generates rage so it see's me as in combat |
| 22:13.05 | kaiden | even though i'm not |
| 22:13.23 | durcyn | kaiden: doesn't enrage actually put you in combat for a second? |
| 22:13.28 | vhaarr | it should |
| 22:13.30 | Yarrlipsis | if you have the talent for that, it does put you in combat |
| 22:13.31 | kaiden | durcyn, i'm not enraging |
| 22:13.39 | vhaarr | ah, the other talent |
| 22:13.44 | kaiden | it's furor |
| 22:13.46 | kaiden | yup |
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| 22:14.13 | kaiden | it seems like your system is just locking up after it switches sets 1 time, because the first keybindings seems to be working, it's just every attempt after that |
| 22:14.20 | vhaarr | well like I just said |
| 22:14.22 | vhaarr | works for me |
| 22:14.34 | Yarrlipsis | oh my |
| 22:14.35 | durcyn | kaiden: you might try moving out your savedvars temporarily |
| 22:15.06 | Yarrlipsis | [2007/09/19 15:13:49-3-x1]: FuBar-49053\FuBar.lua:1292: attempt to index a nil value |
| 22:15.20 | Yarrlipsis | did I do something wrong to cause that? |
| 22:16.33 | xyu | hmm weird, i can see blizzards default player frame and castbar for some reason >< |
| 22:16.41 | xyu | and target frame |
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| 22:18.00 | kaiden | vhaarr, lol ;) figured out the problem ;) |
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| 22:19.05 | vhaarr | what? :P |
| 22:19.14 | vhaarr | another keybinding conflicting? |
| 22:19.25 | kaiden | vhaarr, infinibar has a weird binding system that doesn't bind keys the normal way, ie, an actionbutton can be bound to shift + w and infinibar can also have a button bound to shift + w and as long as infinibar has that keybinding it will take all keypresses of it |
| 22:19.33 | kaiden | the instant you delete that keybinding the old button takes it back |
| 22:20.09 | Arrowmaster | lol does it use nothing but overrides? |
| 22:21.37 | vhaarr | kaiden: hehe okay |
| 22:22.08 | Bver | I dont know if anyone knows this or not, but apparently illidan has a soft enrage. After 20 mins he does parasites every 15 secs instead of 25. Not really that big of a deal, just thought you should know. |
| 22:22.19 | ckkscurvy | so question to peoples: would it be a good idea or a bad idea to register AceOptions tables with LibRockConfig-1.0 in a Niagara-like fashion? |
| 22:22.56 | Starrrrr | ckkscurvy: good idea, but make 2 categories maybe..one for Rock addons and one for "other" addons |
| 22:23.12 | ckkscurvy | well, there won't be any real difference |
| 22:23.24 | ckkscurvy | Tornhoof: why do you do that? |
| 22:23.32 | Starrrrr | k then: no to categories |
| 22:24.51 | ckkscurvy | well, I might categorize em later |
| 22:24.56 | ckkscurvy | by addon category |
| 22:25.00 | Starrrrr | btw |
| 22:25.02 | ckkscurvy | we'll see, though |
| 22:25.03 | ckkscurvy | yea? |
| 22:25.05 | Yarrlipsis | errrr |
| 22:25.22 | Starrrrr | could you indent the submenus a bit more? |
| 22:25.31 | Yarrlipsis | ckkscurvy, can you explain some oddities I'm experiencing with the FuBar Rock config? not sure if it's a bug or something I'm missing... |
| 22:25.40 | ckkscurvy | k... |
| 22:26.03 | Starrrrr | ckkscurvy: was that "k" for me? :P |
| 22:26.10 | ckkscurvy | no |
| 22:26.17 | Starrrrr | k |
| 22:26.19 | ckkscurvy | um |
| 22:26.22 | ckkscurvy | make a jira ticket |
| 22:26.27 | Starrrrr | lol |
| 22:26.31 | Starrrrr | k |
| 22:26.41 | Starrrrr | mm I guess I already made one |
| 22:26.47 | Starrrrr | *checks* |
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| 22:27.05 | Yarrlipsis | I have FuBar_Usage installed but hidden, and it shows up in the list of plugins to put on a FuBar...but if I load it through something else (e.g. MCPFu) it gets a second entry in the list, and does strange things when I try to select one of them |
| 22:28.26 | Yarrlipsis | and I'm not sure if this is related, but the error message I pasted above happened when just trying to add FuBar_Usage to one of the panels when it hadn't been loaded yet |
| 22:28.46 | Yarrlipsis | are these two separate issues or just a general problem with LoD plugin handling? |
| 22:28.53 | ckkscurvy | I fixed that error, btw |
| 22:29.12 | Starrrrr | ckkscurvy: have fun with ROCK-45 ;) |
| 22:29.15 | ckkscurvy | CIA didn't pick it up |
| 22:29.19 | Yarrlipsis | ok |
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| 22:29.42 | Yarrlipsis | should I put in a jira ticket for the duplicate plugin listing? |
| 22:29.58 | ckkscurvy | um, update first and see if it's fixed |
| 22:30.02 | Yarrlipsis | kk |
| 22:30.04 | ckkscurvy | wth |
| 22:30.06 | ckkscurvy | what's with CIA? |
| 22:30.11 | CIA-22 | ow |
| 22:30.20 | Yarrlipsis | it stopped loving you? |
| 22:30.34 | ckkscurvy | I guess |
| 22:30.39 | ckkscurvy | I made a commit to LibRockConfig-1.0 |
| 22:30.48 | ckkscurvy | LibRockConfig-1.0 now supports all of the AceOptions spec |
| 22:30.56 | ckkscurvy | which means that Ace2 options can load in |
| 22:31.13 | Yarrlipsis | yay |
| 22:31.14 | ckkscurvy | theoretically |
| 22:32.13 | Yarrlipsis | ahhh! |
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| 22:32.23 | Yarrlipsis | all my FuBar plugins got rearranged o.o |
| 22:32.47 | Yarrlipsis | must have been a side effect of trying to enable both of the duplicates at once |
| 22:33.43 | Yarrlipsis | nope, enabling the LoD plugin outside of the rock config still seems to be creating a duplicate |
| 22:34.30 | ckkscurvy | how do you load it? |
| 22:34.52 | Yarrlipsis | shift-click in MCPFu, I could test with LoadAddon() itself but I'm fairly certain that's all it's doing |
| 22:36.07 | ckkscurvy | okay |
| 22:36.11 | ckkscurvy | you're not supposed to do that |
| 22:36.19 | ckkscurvy | bad. |
| 22:36.20 | ckkscurvy | no banan |
| 22:36.23 | ckkscurvy | banana* |
| 22:36.37 | Yarrlipsis | :( |
| 22:36.51 | Yarrlipsis | I was actually trying to reproduce the first issue when I came across that one, haha |
| 22:37.39 | Yarrlipsis | and now I think I've fubar'ed my FuBar savedvars |
| 22:37.53 | Yarrlipsis | unless you introduced a horrible bug in that last commit |
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| 22:38.20 | ckkscurvy | don't think so |
| 22:39.35 | Yarrlipsis | oh well, those needed a good nuking anyway |
| 22:42.08 | Starrrrr | CIA-22 is slow today.. |
| 22:42.41 | ckkscurvy | yes. |
| 22:42.44 | Yarrlipsis | uh |
| 22:42.45 | ckkscurvy | alright, gtg |
| 22:42.46 | ckkscurvy | cya all later |
| 22:42.49 | Yarrlipsis | nuking didn't fix it >_< |
| 22:44.02 | charon | ~nuke |
| 22:44.02 | purl | Cockroach. I win. |
| 22:44.17 | Yarrlipsis | well, that was poor timing |
| 22:44.24 | Yarrlipsis | I guess I have to revert now |
| 22:44.45 | Yarrlipsis | only one of my FuBar plugins wants to be on panel 2 |
| 22:44.48 | Yarrlipsis | o.O |
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| 22:49.39 | LuckyLuciano | is anyone having problems with recount? |
| 22:50.05 | LuckyLuciano | loads of errors, can't even click the frame without an error popping up |
| 22:53.10 | LuckyLuciano | http://ace.pastey.net/74109 |
| 22:53.30 | LuckyLuciano | is the error i get when trying to click on anything to do with the frame; options, announce, or using /recount show |
| 22:54.19 | Yarrlipsis | what's the first error you get? |
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| 22:55.11 | ChompARRS | LuckyLuciano: what version |
| 22:55.42 | Mudkips | I'm not having any problems with the new version |
| 22:56.33 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49308 10FuBar/FuBar.lua: FuBar - possible bugfix |
| 22:57.00 | LuckyLuciano | latest i guess |
| 22:57.04 | LuckyLuciano | updated with WAU2 |
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| 22:57.39 | ChompARRS | what's the revision number |
| 22:57.40 | LuckyLuciano | Recount-r49234 |
| 22:57.56 | ChompARRS | with or without externals |
| 22:58.05 | Yarrlipsis | wow |
| 22:58.06 | LuckyLuciano | with |
| 22:58.09 | Yarrlipsis | CIA-22 is *really* slow |
| 23:00.12 | ChompARRS | try downloading it from the website and installing it again http://files.wowace.com/Recount/Recount.zip |
| 23:00.30 | ChompARRS | make sure you've exited out of wow before you extract it |
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| 23:01.07 | LuckyLuciano | ok I'll give it a go |
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| 23:01.49 | LuckyLuciano | since using WAU2 over normal WAU - its installed a shit load of libs, and I daren't untick them from my addons on login in case everything stops working >_< |
| 23:03.31 | Ackis | http://ace.pastey.net/74110 line 581 calls function at line 163, however I'm getting an error regarding a nil value, however when I print out the "skillName" it prints out correctly |
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| 23:04.29 | Yarrlipsis | LuckyLuciano, unchecking them from the addons screen won't break anything, but it also won't have any effect (with the notable exception of Threat-1.0) |
| 23:05.51 | Yarrlipsis | ckknight, I can't figure out why, but my FuBars are still all screwed up after wiping saved vars :( |
| 23:05.54 | LuckyLuciano | well, it seems my load time has increased by quite a bit |
| 23:06.03 | LuckyLuciano | since the libs appeared in my addons screen |
| 23:06.06 | ckknight | Yarrlipsis: messed up how? |
| 23:06.15 | Yarrlipsis | all of the plugins go back to panel 1 on /rl |
| 23:06.25 | ckknight | hrm... |
| 23:06.26 | ckknight | odd |
| 23:06.41 | Yarrlipsis | except for one...but after I moved it to panel 1 and back to panel 2, it started reverting to panel 1 as well |
| 23:07.05 | Thrae | Yarrlipsis: You spooked 'em. Try to be more gentle with your addons! |
| 23:07.11 | Yarrlipsis | =[ |
| 23:07.38 | Yarrlipsis | they probably saw me abusing FuBar_Usage to figure out that bug and got scareded |
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| 23:08.31 | Starrrrr | ckknight: http://jira.wowace.com/browse/ROCK-46 |
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| 23:09.56 | Starrrrr | friend of mine had this error |
| 23:10.00 | Amadeo | Anyone have any idea what a Night Reaver is worth? |
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| 23:13.13 | LuckyLuciano | ChompARRS: thanks - redownloading from the website seemed ot fix it |
| 23:13.15 | LuckyLuciano | *to |
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| 23:14.43 | Neebler | Recount is so money |
| 23:16.49 | Ackis | omg my add-on works!!! O_o w00t? heheh |
| 23:17.14 | Yarrlipsis | grats |
| 23:17.51 | Ackis | always fun to stumble through things and finally get it all to work right :) |
| 23:18.15 | FrostByghte | what would you guys recommend to just learn some basics of wow lua coding? |
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| 23:18.35 | Shirik | ~pil |
| 23:18.35 | purl | i guess pil is Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 23:19.26 | FrostByghte | so wow lua is the complete language or does wow use some subset of the actual full implementation? |
| 23:19.41 | Yarrlipsis | I feel bad...I just gave a level 6 beggar some money because his character name was amusing :( |
| 23:19.48 | JoshBorke | FrostByghte: pretty sure it's the complete lua minus some specific things that would allow you to get outside the jail |
| 23:19.53 | JoshBorke | ie file io |
| 23:20.03 | FrostByghte | okie |
| 23:20.47 | Yarrlipsis | FrostByghte, WoWWiki has details on exactly what's missing if you're interested |
| 23:21.15 | Yarrlipsis | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_functions |
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| 23:25.28 | CIA-22 | 03braestone * r49312 10FrostyDimUi/ (. FrostyDimUi.lua FrostyDimUi.toc): |
| 23:25.28 | CIA-22 | FrostyDimUi: initial commit |
| 23:25.28 | CIA-22 | - DimUI tweaks the look of the default action buttons. |
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| 23:29.41 | CIA-22 | 03braestone * r49313 10FrostyDimUi/: FrostyDimUi: - added necessary externals. |
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| 23:32.27 | ChompARRS | stupid fucking prince fight |
| 23:32.58 | ChompARRS | i hate it >:| |
| 23:33.02 | rob` | why? |
| 23:33.15 | ChompARRS | it's a fight based on luck, rather than skill |
| 23:33.27 | Mudkips | welcome to TBC |
| 23:33.34 | ChompARRS | if an infernal lands here, you wipe |
| 23:33.41 | Mudkips | why don't you join us in black temple with mother shahraz |
| 23:33.48 | Mudkips | I"m sure you'll have fun with us |
| 23:33.55 | Mudkips | </sarcasm> |
| 23:34.15 | ChompARRS | we have fun on al'ar |
| 23:34.19 | ChompARRS | this is an alt run |
| 23:34.21 | Mudkips | we've been stuck on this bitch for weeks |
| 23:34.24 | Mudkips | because of attendance |
| 23:34.42 | Yarrlipsis | i miss raiding :( |
| 23:34.46 | _rane | ckkscurvy: you'd rather answer here? :) |
| 23:35.12 | Ackis | if I have an array like: foo[x][y], can I get what x is named? |
| 23:35.37 | Yarrlipsis | er |
| 23:35.44 | Yarrlipsis | what do you mean, what it's named? |
| 23:36.05 | ckkscurvy | yarrr |
| 23:36.08 | Ackis | say foo[bob][fred]... can I find out later that bob is named bob? |
| 23:36.25 | Yarrlipsis | um...you mean find the variable name? |
| 23:36.36 | Yarrlipsis | or do you mean foo["bob"]["fred"] |
| 23:36.54 | Ackis | yes sorry, the quote version |
| 23:37.22 | Yarrlipsis | well...if you iterate through the items and have something like foo[x][y] then the variable x contains "bob" |
| 23:38.25 | Braestone | what's the etiquette for making a (small toc) change to someone else's addon? (yes i'm new) |
| 23:38.29 | Ackis | hmmm I think I may be looking at this wrong then (new to Lua)... gonna try a few things :) |
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| 23:41.09 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49314 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - don't unexpand unnecessarily. |
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| 23:42.57 | xyu | anyone know of the best pre-raid cloak for mages offhand? ^_^ |
| 23:43.12 | xyu | there's the pvp one, or the badge one, but those seem pretty mediocre |
| 23:44.04 | Ackis | Yarrlipsis: yah I was going about it the wrong way, I think I missed a concept somewhere... at least I have something to do at work tomorrow :) |
| 23:44.31 | [dRaCo] | the badge one is ok-ish |
| 23:45.33 | xyu | yeah, decent crit |
| 23:45.49 | Antiarrrrrrc | Aaaaaahahahahahahahah |
| 23:45.50 | Antiarrrrrrc | http://www.miivi.org/ |
| 23:45.52 | Antiarrrrrrc | Awesome. |
| 23:45.58 | Antiarrrrrrc | And on Talk Like A Pirate day, too. |
| 23:46.17 | kaiden | A pet bar module that add's a PET to the bars menu for party |
| 23:46.37 | kaiden | that way you dont have to ahve seperate frames, and all it will do is add a health bar for the pet with the pets name on it to the party member |
| 23:47.02 | [dRaCo] | just move the normal pet frame there |
| 23:47.10 | Funkeh` | mininova ftw |
| 23:47.25 | kaiden | good thing you read what i said ;) (dont want separate frames) |
| 23:47.36 | kaiden | I dont want to rearrange it everytime i move my party frames etc |
| 23:47.47 | Antiarc | Muah I pirated your nick |
| 23:48.21 | [dRaCo] | xyu: those are the blue ones from instances and such: http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.1&filter=qu=3;sl=16;minrl=65;cr=51;crs=1;crv=0 |
| 23:48.54 | [dRaCo] | given those, the bagde one shines a bit more ;) |
| 23:48.59 | xyu | hehe yeah |
| 23:49.08 | xyu | what else have i got to use badges on i guess :D |
| 23:49.23 | xyu | Guess i need to get in a raiding guild. :/ |
| 23:49.26 | Yarrlipsis | whoa, suprnova is still around? |
| 23:49.34 | [dRaCo] | not still, afaik |
| 23:49.36 | [dRaCo] | again |
| 23:49.43 | Mudkips | ^ |
| 23:49.53 | [dRaCo] | they belong to piratebay now |
| 23:50.03 | xyu | any other pieces that you see that need pre-raid upgrades? http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sargeras&n=Xyu |
| 23:50.08 | TNSe | hmmm |
| 23:50.09 | Yarrlipsis | I thought I remembered suprnova dying... |
| 23:50.10 | [dRaCo] | hey, and it's pirate day :> |
| 23:50.20 | Mudkips | Yarrlipsis, can you read? |
| 23:50.24 | Yarrlipsis | yes. |
| 23:50.31 | TNSe | the default GUI keeps on jumping behind Fubar |
| 23:50.32 | Mudkips | thar she blows |
| 23:50.32 | TNSe | annoying |
| 23:50.34 | Yarrlipsis | I was just trying to remember what happened is all :P |
| 23:50.43 | Mudkips | has it been that long? |
| 23:50.50 | [dRaCo] | xyu: totally deep frost? I'd get free casts :) |
| 23:50.52 | Mudkips | since the absense of suprnova |
| 23:51.17 | Yarrlipsis | I remember now, my boyfriend at the time had a server hosted at the same datacenter which ended up getting a couple of suprnova's old IPs |
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| 23:51.26 | xyu | Yeah i will when i get into a raid guild :P |
| 23:51.30 | Yarrlipsis | poor guy kept getting DDoSed |
| 23:51.47 | xyu | i don't need it in 5 mans or heroics though. |
| 23:51.55 | xyu | or even kara |
| 23:52.21 | [dRaCo] | judging from your equipment you've been to kara a few times... there's a better robe than yours |
| 23:52.25 | CIA-22 | 03braestone * r49315 10FrostyDimUi/: FrostyDimUi: - fix externals. |
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| 23:52.37 | xyu | off who? do you know off hand? |
| 23:53.00 | xyu | maybe "find an upgrade" will tell me |
| 23:53.09 | [dRaCo] | I'd say Nightbane... not sure, though |
| 23:53.27 | xyu | i want the robes off vashj so bad ;D |
| 23:53.31 | [dRaCo] | oh: and get a new trinket :> |
| 23:53.38 | xyu | Vestments of the sea witch are hot |
| 23:54.01 | xyu | hmm i dont see any kara robes |
| 23:54.04 | [dRaCo] | both scryers and sha'tar got some good stoff |
| 23:54.11 | xyu | oh wait there's a page 2 |
| 23:55.02 | xyu | Robe of the elder scribes |
| 23:55.14 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 23:56.42 | CIA-22 | 03braestone * r49316 10ArenaHistory/ (. ArenaHistory.toc): ArenaHistory: added missing external: AceOO |
| 23:56.52 | [dRaCo] | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.-4&filter=qu=3;minrl=70;cr=92:93;crs=1:2;crv=: <-- get one of those |
| 23:57.01 | [dRaCo] | the damage ones, obviously |
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| 23:57.52 | xyu | prayerbook won't do me much good, :D |
| 23:58.14 | xyu | I was thinking http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27922 |
| 23:58.16 | [dRaCo] | yeah, but the others are way better than the green one you've got |
| 23:58.32 | _rane | I'm looking for some unitframes, any suggestions? |
| 23:58.40 | [dRaCo] | aight, that one's ok, too. |
| 23:58.45 | _rane | I found PitBull bit buggy |
| 23:58.56 | Mudkips | ag unitframes |
| 23:58.57 | [dRaCo] | _rane: I'm using pitbull, works fine here. :รพ |
| 23:59.17 | Mudkips | and the only thing that isn't working properly in pitbull at the moment is druid mana |
| 23:59.35 | Mudkips | for me at least |
| 23:59.49 | _rane | well, I had some problem with target debuffs |
| 23:59.54 | Yarrlipsis | PitBull has been working 100% for me lately |
| 23:59.55 | _rane | they didn't align correctly |
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