| 00:00.53 | Awaa | Hm, how do you change size of an fubar panel? |
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| 00:08.52 | NightHawkTheSane | "And the last one, Lord Yuu." "Yuu?" "Don't. Every joke, every pun, done to death, seriously." |
| 00:09.19 | sb | <3 sg1 ;p |
| 00:10.02 | Wobin_ | Awaa: mouse cursor to the end of the bar til it turns into a sword, click-drag |
| 00:10.28 | Wobin_ | NightHawkTheSane: Pity Chris Rock didn't realise that for the next Rush Hour =P |
| 00:10.45 | Awaa | ty |
| 00:10.51 | Awaa | That was to easy :p |
| 00:12.05 | NightHawkTheSane | "On the bright side, out of all the Go'a'uld, Lord Yuu has been the most cooperative with us in the past." "I thought you said none of them could be trusted." "Oh, they can't, especially not a crazy one." "That's the bright side?" "More of a slightly less.. dark.. side." |
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| 00:25.11 | CIA-22 | 03kameril * r49000 10VisualThemes/Themes/ScaleFade.lua: |
| 00:25.11 | CIA-22 | VisualThemes: |
| 00:25.11 | CIA-22 | -Fixed Dewdrop :SetPoint dependency bug. |
| 00:26.32 | theoddone33 | in kara with a holy light spam paladin |
| 00:26.36 | theoddone33 | scares the crap out of me |
| 00:28.24 | Shirik | this is the only reason people say paladins are better healers than priests |
| 00:28.27 | Shirik | is because they take less skill |
| 00:28.32 | Shirik | you can spam holy light until the cows come home |
| 00:28.39 | Shirik | whereas priests have to pay a lot more attention to 5SR, etc. |
| 00:28.52 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49001 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: |
| 00:28.52 | CIA-22 | LibRockConfig-1.0 - ROCK-6 |
| 00:28.52 | CIA-22 | - type = 'group', groupType = 'inline' now shows groups inline with the rest of the controls instead of on the left. |
| 00:29.12 | theoddone33 | holy light spam is super inefficient |
| 00:29.16 | theoddone33 | depending on the rank you use |
| 00:29.23 | theoddone33 | which is why I'm scared |
| 00:29.41 | theoddone33 | he can heal but he'll go oom 20% into a boss fight |
| 00:29.48 | ckknight | nah, if you use HL rank 4, it's actually pretty efficient |
| 00:29.53 | theoddone33 | but if he can manage his mana it's fine |
| 00:29.54 | ckknight | it depends on how much spell crit he has, though |
| 00:29.57 | theoddone33 | yeah rank 4 or 7 |
| 00:30.01 | theoddone33 | both are common |
| 00:30.42 | theoddone33 | I think he's spamming rank 11 though |
| 00:30.44 | theoddone33 | which is pretty scary |
| 00:31.00 | ckknight | um |
| 00:31.02 | ckknight | wtf |
| 00:31.07 | ckknight | is he losing mana fast? |
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| 00:31.53 | theoddone33 | he's at half mana after every trash pull |
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| 00:31.56 | theoddone33 | I'm at like 90% |
| 00:32.33 | theoddone33 | but if he can manage his mana with pots and whatnot I'm perfectly ok |
| 00:32.36 | theoddone33 | it's just scary |
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| 00:32.56 | Speeddymon | kaelten: alive? |
| 00:33.02 | todd` | are you a pally too? |
| 00:33.05 | theoddone33 | yes |
| 00:33.45 | todd` | I started one yesterday |
| 00:33.46 | todd` | level 11 |
| 00:33.53 | todd` | you mostly use FoL to heal? |
| 00:34.33 | ckknight | bbl |
| 00:35.33 | theoddone33 | yeah mostly |
| 00:35.41 | theoddone33 | depends on the tank's health and how well it's keeping up |
| 00:35.50 | theoddone33 | from what I gather most paladins use 80% flash |
| 00:36.08 | theoddone33 | I'm still a new 70 though, for all intents and purposes |
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| 00:36.46 | Speeddymon | ok, if I make a change to someone else's addon to only fix a bug and not add new features, is it acceptable to upload that change to the svn? |
| 00:36.59 | Speeddymon | and more specifically, if the change is only to a toc file, is it acceptable? |
| 00:37.15 | Speeddymon | and even more specifically, if the addon is one of kaelten's is it acceptable?? |
| 00:37.20 | Speeddymon | =D |
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| 00:39.13 | Speeddymon | antiarc, alive?? |
| 00:39.25 | aestil | ~antiarc |
| 00:39.25 | purl | antiarc is probably the author of Sanity, Hemlock, and Omen, and project lead on Threat-1.0, as well as the author of the WoW Armory Tools, found at http://wow.tachyonsix.com/armory/ |
| 00:39.31 | Speeddymon | antiarc: alive?? |
| 00:39.33 | aestil | DEAD!!!! |
| 00:39.39 | Seerah_ | "probably"? |
| 00:39.48 | Speeddymon | ~seen antiarc |
| 00:39.52 | purl | antiarc is currently on #wowi-lounge (16h 58m 57s) #wowace (16h 58m 57s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 2h 40m 38s, last said: 'It just stopped working'. |
| 00:40.05 | Speeddymon | ~seen kaelten |
| 00:40.06 | purl | kaelten is currently on #wowi-lounge (23h 23m 14s) #wowace (23h 23m 14s). Has said a total of 36 messages. Is idling for 9h 53m 6s, last said: 'as soon as I can get the script fixed :)'. |
| 00:40.19 | charon | Seerah_: purl says "probably X, or Y" or some such if she has several pieces of information on something/someone |
| 00:40.33 | Seerah_ | thank you, charon |
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| 00:43.08 | Funkeh` | Speeddymon: Antiarc died last night, it was a sad day for all of us, but mostly for you since he can't answer your query, I'm afraid thats life. |
| 00:43.45 | Antiarc | I'm here |
| 00:43.49 | Antiarc | I mean uh |
| 00:43.53 | Antiarc | OoooOOOoooOooo |
| 00:43.57 | Antiarc | I'm haunting #wowace |
| 00:43.57 | Speeddymon | hehe |
| 00:44.05 | charon | heh |
| 00:44.17 | Speeddymon | anti, just sent you a private message and posted on the threat-1.0 thread |
| 00:44.43 | Antiarc | Threat-1.0 is intentionally not LOD |
| 00:44.56 | Antiarc | Since you can run it as its own addon to broadcast threat without a UI on top of it |
| 00:44.59 | charon | i've got a small change to Threat-1.0 that puts DumpTranslationTable() in the right file, would you mind if i commit? |
| 00:45.22 | charon | i've seen more "people don't see my threat" issues today |
| 00:45.46 | Speeddymon | sigh.. so in other words, it doesn't stick to the norm of what _every_ other library on the svn does? |
| 00:45.46 | charon | specifically, mage in my group didn't see much of it during a sethekk heroic until i told her to /rl |
| 00:46.01 | Antiarc | Tell the mage to type /comm and turn off DoTimer's comms |
| 00:46.18 | charon | hmm. |
| 00:46.26 | Antiarc | Speeddymon: It's a hybrid library/standalone addon. |
| 00:46.31 | charon | i'll ask her tomorrow if she runs that |
| 00:46.47 | Speeddymon | can it be separated? b/c i think a library should be just that.. a lib.. |
| 00:46.50 | charon | still, patch ready all the same |
| 00:47.04 | Funkeh` | Speeddymon: you are obsessing too much about it |
| 00:48.02 | Speeddymon | the reason i ran into this issue is because I wanted to see how many of my so-called required libraries were actually being used, so I disabled them all, and loaded up the game.. I only got 3 errors.. One from aloft, saying that Threat-1.0 couldnt be found (due to the missing loadondemand) |
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| 00:48.46 | Speeddymon | and two from oneview, saying that onestorage couldnt be found, which was due to X-AceLibrary-OneStorage-2.0: true not being in the OneStorage-2.0.toc |
| 00:49.35 | Antiarc | The thing is, threat generation and tracking isn't really "optional" or something that is useful if someone accidentally turns it on halfway into a run or whatever |
| 00:49.46 | Antiarc | Because it's a comms layer, it needs to always be available |
| 00:49.55 | Arrowmaster | Speeddymon: its not a missing load on demand in threat-1.0, the library cannot run loadondemand |
| 00:50.08 | Antiarc | It's useful on its own without being used by another addon |
| 00:50.09 | Speeddymon | So, then aloft should not have Threat-1.0 as an OptionalDep, but as a Dependency .. correct? |
| 00:50.39 | sb | hmm why? |
| 00:50.40 | Nargiddley | no because then embedded would break |
| 00:50.53 | Speeddymon | ugh |
| 00:50.55 | Arrowmaster | just dont disable threat-1.0 |
| 00:50.58 | charon | also, no because afaict you can disable the threat bar and don't need threat-1.0 |
| 00:51.14 | charon | or do you need it anyway? *shrug* |
| 00:51.22 | charon | Antiarc: so what about DumpTranslationTable() ? |
| 00:51.44 | Arrowmaster | if it does error from not having threat-1.0 then that should probably be fixed imho, it should be optional |
| 00:51.45 | Speeddymon | so basically someone who doesnt know what they are doing and deletes threat-1.0 because they dont care about threat (i know ppl) but wants to use aloft will see this error and come for support |
| 00:52.11 | Speeddymon | well i typically run with the nameplates disabled |
| 00:52.18 | Hjalte | Speeddymon, someone who doesnt know what they are doing shouldnt just go around deleting stuff.. |
| 00:52.25 | Antiarc | charon: Go ahead and commit it |
| 00:52.32 | charon | wee |
| 00:52.54 | Antiarc | Speeddymon: Even if you don't display your threat info on your Aloft bars, Threat remains active so that it can synch with your groupmates. |
| 00:52.56 | Speeddymon | so if it didnt need threat-1.0 when the threat bar is disabled, then it shouldnt need it when the nameplates are disabled either... |
| 00:53.01 | Antiarc | If Threat isn't running, THEY can't see threat data for you |
| 00:53.18 | Antiarc | Hence, Threat is intended to remain enabled, not just if you have displays locally using it |
| 00:53.39 | Arrowmaster | if you dont have any options in aloft enabled to display threat and it errors because it cant find threat-1.0 then report it to the author as a bug |
| 00:53.56 | Speeddymon | ok thats fine and dandy, but imho, the addon shouldn't be classified as a library (in the addons list under the game) if it is an addon and a gui |
| 00:54.07 | Arrowmaster | its not a gui |
| 00:54.18 | Speeddymon | whatever it was called a few mins ago then... |
| 00:54.19 | Speeddymon | sigh |
| 00:54.23 | Arrowmaster | libraries dont have to be LoD |
| 00:54.32 | Speeddymon | when you use SAL they do.. |
| 00:54.44 | Seerah_ | since when? |
| 00:54.47 | Speeddymon | i did forget to mention that didnt I? |
| 00:55.07 | CIA-22 | 03charon * r49002 10Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0/ (Threat-1.0.lua ThreatMobNameTranslation.lua): |
| 00:55.07 | CIA-22 | Threat-1.0: |
| 00:55.07 | CIA-22 | - put DumpTranslationTable() in the right namespace |
| 00:55.07 | kenlyric | you don't honestly still use SAL, do you? |
| 00:55.09 | Speeddymon | lol its somewhere on the site that ppl who have addons in SAL should make their addons LOD |
| 00:55.16 | Arrowmaster | arent you suppost to not use SAL anymore with WAU 1.9? |
| 00:55.32 | Seerah_ | you're confused, speeddymon |
| 00:55.42 | Seerah_ | arrowmaster: you can still use SAL, but it's not needed |
| 00:55.47 | Speeddymon | im not using 1.9 it crashes for me and nobody can reproduce (i know my problem, but that isnt the point right now) |
| 00:55.55 | Seerah_ | actually, you're better off without it now |
| 00:56.09 | Arrowmaster | i remember somebody mentioning a message from 1.9 saying to remove SAL if you had it |
| 00:56.13 | Speeddymon | off topic here guys |
| 00:56.33 | Seerah_ | okay, you're still confused ;) |
| 00:56.47 | Speeddymon | my point is that im going to report it yes, but threat-1.0 shouldnt be listed as a lib, since it has non-lib stuff in it |
| 00:56.54 | Arrowmaster | well anybthing before WAU 1.9 is unsupported now meaning SAL is unsupported |
| 00:56.56 | Seerah_ | libraries that are able to be LoD are LoD, libraries that aren't are not |
| 00:57.01 | Seerah_ | it *IS* a lib |
| 00:57.14 | kenlyric | owww, my brain hurts. |
| 00:57.16 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt have none lib stuff in it |
| 00:57.19 | Seerah_ | arrowmaster: WAU is not the only updater |
| 00:57.33 | Arrowmaster | true |
| 00:57.34 | todd` | <3 cmdaceupdater |
| 00:57.55 | Speeddymon | no.. its an addon that has lib functions... a lib ONLY provides lib functions, an addon, OTOH provides many functions, and can have some externally accessible functions in it as well |
| 00:58.04 | Seerah_ | Threat-1.0 is a library to calculate threat and communicate that with other threat calculating addon users |
| 00:58.06 | Speeddymon | (aka lib functions) |
| 00:58.17 | Seerah_ | what addon functions does it provide? |
| 00:58.23 | Arrowmaster | its a lib |
| 00:58.28 | Speeddymon | omg |
| 00:58.45 | charon | Antiarc: i'll ask the mage about DoTimer... i'd have liked to say "run this and check the translations make sense" to rule out that the translation problem came up again, but the dump function was in a namespace where the table is just {}, probably a leftover |
| 00:58.46 | Nargiddley | Speeddymon, what defines a "non lib function" ? |
| 00:58.52 | charon | btw, how would /rl fix a DoTimer comm spam issue? |
| 00:58.53 | Speeddymon | it communicates with other threat addon users (that includes addons that aren't threat-1.0).... |
| 00:59.03 | Seerah_ | Ace-Comm communicates |
| 00:59.08 | kenlyric | divide by 0 errror, sanity not found. |
| 00:59.38 | Arrowmaster | communicating doesnt make it an addon and not a lib |
| 00:59.40 | Seerah_ | it doesn't *take* info from non Threat-1.0 stuff |
| 01:00.12 | Speeddymon | Nargiddley: a non-lib function is any function that isnt normally found in a library... stuff like ui manipulation, communication (be it in chat, or with other addons), etc |
| 01:00.38 | Speeddymon | and ace-comm is a sub-addon of ace2.. |
| 01:00.49 | Arrowmaster | by that defenation then aceevent is a library |
| 01:00.50 | Speeddymon | ace2 is a lib because it is a _collection_ of addons |
| 01:01.07 | Nickenyfiken | eh what? |
| 01:01.08 | charon | Antiarc: btw#2, can we be sure the mob hashing function you use is collision free? |
| 01:01.13 | Arrowmaster | s/is/isnt/ |
| 01:01.19 | Nargiddley | name one thing that *is* a lib then ? |
| 01:01.26 | Seerah_ | WHAT?? |
| 01:01.36 | Speeddymon | hmm.. waterfall |
| 01:01.48 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 01:01.52 | Nargiddley | you said ui manipulation, waterfall has frames |
| 01:01.56 | charon | Speeddymon: how exactly would any kind of hair-splitting influence the fact that LOD or not is a design decision? |
| 01:01.59 | Speeddymon | waterfall itself has no frames |
| 01:02.01 | Arrowmaster | waterfall does ui manipulation |
| 01:02.06 | Seerah_ | waterfall creates frames and a GUI configuration window |
| 01:02.07 | Nargiddley | lol |
| 01:02.11 | Speeddymon | waterfall does no ui manip |
| 01:02.22 | Speeddymon | waterfall is used by addons that manipulate the ui |
| 01:02.28 | Speeddymon | therefore it is a lib |
| 01:02.31 | Seerah_ | no..... |
| 01:02.43 | Speeddymon | and charon: it wont.. lod is a design decision.. i cant make him change it |
| 01:02.44 | Seerah_ | waterfall is the library that addons use to create their GUI |
| 01:02.52 | Arrowmaster | do make me go grep the waterfall source for CreateFrame() |
| 01:02.56 | Nickenyfiken | Niagara is a addon, Waterfall a lib. |
| 01:03.03 | Seerah_ | exactly, nickeny |
| 01:03.04 | Nickenyfiken | OR? |
| 01:03.06 | Speeddymon | nickeny, correct |
| 01:03.17 | Speeddymon | createframe) |
| 01:03.18 | Nickenyfiken | I win |
| 01:03.19 | Speeddymon | damnit |
| 01:03.30 | kenlyric | omen is an addon, threat is a lib. |
| 01:03.41 | Seerah_ | yep |
| 01:03.42 | Nargiddley | threat is a lib, that proides threat data for you *and your party*, it doesnt display it only provide it for addons |
| 01:03.43 | Speeddymon | CreateFrame() may be in the code of a library but that doesnt make it an addon, |
| 01:03.53 | Nargiddley | communication happens to be part of that |
| 01:03.58 | Nickenyfiken | Yeeees |
| 01:04.04 | Seerah_ | you are changing sides now, speeddymon |
| 01:04.08 | Speeddymon | but it communicates that info with other addons.. it shouldnt do that as a lib.. some other addon should handle that |
| 01:04.18 | Nargiddley | it communicates with itself |
| 01:04.30 | Speeddymon | on other people's computers.. |
| 01:04.32 | Seerah_ | Threat-1.0 communicates with Threat-1.0 |
| 01:04.33 | Speeddymon | sigh |
| 01:05.02 | charon | so Threat-1.0-Comm-Layer should be created to do the actual work for Threat-1.0 |
| 01:05.05 | Speeddymon | YES |
| 01:05.06 | Nickenyfiken | But Threat use AceCom right? |
| 01:05.07 | charon | makes perfect sense, doesn't it |
| 01:05.11 | kenlyric | I think my brain misfired and I discovered psycho kinetic powers. |
| 01:05.18 | Speeddymon | lol ken |
| 01:05.18 | Nickenyfiken | So it use another lib to communicate |
| 01:05.19 | charon | i mean, Threat-1.0 would be _very_ useful without it's comms layers |
| 01:05.22 | charon | </sarcasm> |
| 01:05.29 | Speeddymon | charon, i think it would |
| 01:05.35 | Speeddymon | i have no use for its com layers |
| 01:05.35 | Nargiddley | yes, lets make every addon do its own comm and break things when 2 people use diff addons on top of threat, great idea |
| 01:05.54 | Nickenyfiken | What use? For pet classes maybe. |
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| 01:06.02 | Seerah_ | http://www.answers.com/topic/library-computing |
| 01:06.03 | Arrowmaster | i think its a retarded idea to have threat-1.0 without its comm |
| 01:06.04 | charon | it would plain out suck since the entire _point_ of Threat-1.0 is that it communicates, or let me rephrase that, the stated goal of Threat-1.0, which is aggro tracking for your party/raid, is not achievable without communicating |
| 01:06.08 | Speeddymon | i use threat to see my threat in aloft.. plain and simple.. i dont need it communicating my threat with other players in my party.. nor do i want it to |
| 01:06.13 | Arrowmaster | since the entire idea doesnt work at all without the comm |
| 01:06.17 | kenlyric | uhhhh. |
| 01:06.21 | Nargiddley | your threat against what ? |
| 01:06.23 | kenlyric | you don't know a single thing about wow, do you? |
| 01:06.27 | Speeddymon | against mobs |
| 01:06.33 | kenlyric | o.O |
| 01:06.34 | Speeddymon | ok look |
| 01:06.35 | Seerah_ | what's the freaking point of knowing your threat then??? |
| 01:06.43 | Nargiddley | whos other threat are you comparing it to ? |
| 01:06.46 | Shirik | obviously so you can compare your threat as an e-peen size |
| 01:06.58 | Speeddymon | you obviously dont know how aloft displays threat do you? |
| 01:06.59 | Shirik | "I have 1000 TPS, how much do you have?!" |
| 01:07.03 | Speeddymon | NO |
| 01:07.05 | charon | so your raid leader can't know you're over-aggroing again *cough* |
| 01:07.06 | Speeddymon | omg |
| 01:07.07 | Seerah_ | haha shirik |
| 01:07.09 | Speeddymon | yes |
| 01:07.16 | Speeddymon | although i dont raid |
| 01:07.29 | Speeddymon | here is what i am saying |
| 01:07.30 | Arrowmaster | how does aloft display threat |
| 01:07.36 | Seerah_ | do you do parties? instances? |
| 01:07.41 | Nargiddley | Speeddymon, threat is only a number untill you have another number from the same source to compare it with |
| 01:07.46 | Nargiddley | then its useful |
| 01:07.50 | Shirik | it's like potential energy |
| 01:07.51 | Speeddymon | aloft has a bar that is gray on one end and either green or red (user definable) on the other |
| 01:07.53 | Shirik | it's meaningless on its own |
| 01:07.53 | charon | come again? you don't want your _raid leader_ to look at your most important statistic next to DPS and perhaps survivability? |
| 01:07.54 | Seerah_ | it's all relative |
| 01:07.59 | Shirik | you have to compare it to something else to make it useful |
| 01:08.20 | Speeddymon | omg cna i finish before you sit there and tell me what i HAVE to do? |
| 01:08.28 | kenlyric | no. |
| 01:08.31 | charon | no. |
| 01:08.34 | Nargiddley | what other entity are you worried about pulling aggro from that threat data is useful ? |
| 01:08.39 | Guillotine | only reason I can see for threatlib without communication is to practice getting high TPS, but even then... |
| 01:08.54 | Shirik | Guillotine: Smash face against keyboard |
| 01:08.55 | Seerah_ | look ma! I gots me 12k tps! |
| 01:09.00 | Shirik | that is practicing high threat |
| 01:09.08 | Guillotine | Shirik: well, I'm a tank :P |
| 01:09.09 | kenlyric | unless you're a hunter. |
| 01:09.13 | kenlyric | are you a hunter? |
| 01:09.19 | Shirik | Shirik is |
| 01:09.24 | Shirik | but I don't play Shirik anymore |
| 01:09.27 | Nickenyfiken | I think Threat should remove the com part and everyone shout their threat on vent. |
| 01:09.28 | Seerah_ | then you could compare with your pet |
| 01:09.29 | Arrowmaster | have you ever spontainiously turned into a hunter? |
| 01:09.35 | kenlyric | and maybe warlocks. Those two can use threat without comm |
| 01:09.35 | Seerah_ | but that's *only* useful soloing |
| 01:09.39 | charon | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.40 | Guillotine | Nick: lol |
| 01:09.45 | Seerah_ | haha nick |
| 01:10.01 | Speeddymon | the left side is red, the right side is grey.. if the whole bar goes red, then i got aggro, the left side turns green.. if I feint, then i reduce threat and it goes back to red, if i dont feint (assuming that the healer can keep my leather wearing ass alive), then the bar goes all the way green, and nobody can take aggro from me unless i vanish.. |
| 01:10.11 | Nargiddley | aggro from *WHAT* |
| 01:10.20 | Nargiddley | a tank in a party ? |
| 01:10.20 | Speeddymon | the only thing you get aggro from.. a mob |
| 01:10.45 | Nargiddley | what has aggro before you take it ? |
| 01:10.49 | Speeddymon | thetank |
| 01:10.50 | Speeddymon | ok |
| 01:10.52 | Speeddymon | so? |
| 01:11.01 | kenlyric | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.06 | Speeddymon | ok here |
| 01:11.06 | Seerah_ | lol |
| 01:11.09 | Speeddymon | let me give you an example |
| 01:11.15 | Nargiddley | so then, the tanks threat ie the threat he communicated to you, is what you are interested in |
| 01:11.16 | kenlyric | this is like the class forums come alive. |
| 01:11.17 | Nickenyfiken | Speeddymon: so you mean the mob got aggro on himself and you take it from it? |
| 01:11.26 | Speeddymon | wait wait wait |
| 01:11.28 | Nargiddley | so you do want comms |
| 01:11.28 | Shirik | the mob got aggro on himself? |
| 01:11.34 | Nickenyfiken | itself |
| 01:11.42 | Speeddymon | what if nobody else in the party is using any threat addon??? |
| 01:11.45 | Shirik | like.... how did you do that? |
| 01:11.49 | Seerah_ | what if the tank wants his aggro back? how much should he do to take it away from you? |
| 01:11.52 | Shirik | MC it and then tell it to attack itself? |
| 01:11.55 | Arrowmaster | Speeddymon: threat also reads ktm data |
| 01:11.57 | Nargiddley | then nothing works and you might as well not load threat |
| 01:12.02 | Shirik | oh how much fun it would be if you could MC a lock and then use life tap |
| 01:12.14 | Speeddymon | i know that, but what if nobody is using _any_ threat addon |
| 01:12.18 | Speeddymon | except me |
| 01:12.24 | Seerah_ | then it's USELESS |
| 01:12.25 | Arrowmaster | then aloft probably wont do shit for you |
| 01:12.25 | Speeddymon | then where is aloft getting its threat bar from? |
| 01:12.25 | Nargiddley | then you dont have any number to be the top of the bar |
| 01:12.28 | Shirik | then how do you intend to get their threat? |
| 01:12.35 | kenlyric | from threat-1.0 |
| 01:12.35 | Seerah_ | I win |
| 01:12.44 | Shirik | =( |
| 01:12.52 | Speeddymon | ya and where is threat getting it from when nobody ELSE is using a threat addon to communicate with? |
| 01:12.58 | Nickenyfiken | Uh is Aloft different from other threat reporting addons? |
| 01:13.03 | Nargiddley | there is nowhere for it to get it from |
| 01:13.07 | Shirik | Speeddymon: nobody? |
| 01:13.10 | Speeddymon | exactly |
| 01:13.16 | Shirik | I fail to see your point |
| 01:13.16 | Speeddymon | so threat-1.0 doesnt need comms to work |
| 01:13.20 | Shirik | uh |
| 01:13.21 | Shirik | yes it does |
| 01:13.22 | kenlyric | but it doesn't work. |
| 01:13.24 | Seerah_ | it's not. It's just guessing based on what abilities you use, etc, and dig them out of it's db |
| 01:13.26 | Shirik | because you're missing one point |
| 01:13.29 | Shirik | it doesn't work if nobody else has it |
| 01:13.38 | nekoh | exactly |
| 01:13.40 | Nargiddley | Speeddymon, i bet that they *do* have threat and its loaded as part of another addon |
| 01:13.45 | Shirik | True, it doesn't get any data from anyone else if nobody else has it |
| 01:13.48 | Shirik | but it doesn't work, period. |
| 01:13.49 | Speeddymon | EXACTLY! THATS ALL I WANT THREAT TO DO IS GUESS AT MY THREAT BASED ON WHAT ABILITIES I USE, ETC!!!!! |
| 01:13.53 | Nargiddley | which you are trying to convince us to make not load and stop it working |
| 01:13.55 | Speeddymon | DING DING DING DING DING |
| 01:13.55 | kenlyric | so dumb. |
| 01:13.59 | Shirik | Speeddymon: Which is useless? |
| 01:14.03 | Shirik | I'm still missing your point here |
| 01:14.07 | nekoh | omg. |
| 01:14.10 | Shirik | Threat is just a number. It is pointless by itself |
| 01:14.11 | Nargiddley | Speeddymon, it can guess your threat, it CANNOT guess the tanks |
| 01:14.27 | Nargiddley | so it has nothing to tell when you are going to pull, and it useless |
| 01:14.31 | Shirik | "I have 20k threat" |
| 01:14.35 | Shirik | Am I about to pull aggro or not? |
| 01:14.36 | Seerah_ | Speeddymon: if it just "guesses", then how can it be any where *close* to being accurate? |
| 01:14.37 | kenlyric | Nargiddley: it can't guess at all? |
| 01:14.39 | kenlyric | from the combat log? |
| 01:14.40 | Shirik | Answer is... neither |
| 01:14.40 | Nargiddley | no |
| 01:14.44 | Shirik | kenlyric: Not really |
| 01:14.49 | Shirik | too many talents, gear, etc., affect it |
| 01:14.56 | Speeddymon | MY POINT is that if there is nobody in my party using a threat addon, then there is no threat communication, and it is guessing only my threat, which is all i want threat-1.0 to do.. i dont care about the tank's threat (why i dont raid) |
| 01:14.58 | kenlyric | figured aas much. |
| 01:15.12 | Speeddymon | ok |
| 01:15.14 | Shirik | Speeddymon: And MY POINT is that this threat data is USELESS if nobody else has it |
| 01:15.16 | kenlyric | well, good for you. |
| 01:15.18 | Nargiddley | Speeddymon, your threat is USELESS without something to compare against |
| 01:15.21 | Shirik | I win |
| 01:15.23 | Seerah_ | wait.... so if it already does what you want it to, then what's the issue? |
| 01:15.26 | kenlyric | 99% of other people who get a threat addon don't want to fucking suck. |
| 01:15.33 | Nickenyfiken | It could be possible to make a threatlib without com only scanning the combat log and such but it would be more complex I think. You have to know the others talents and equipment any way in some way. |
| 01:15.41 | kenlyric | it's the primary purpose behind a threat addon. |
| 01:15.45 | kenlyric | to not suck. |
| 01:15.52 | Shirik | Nickenyfiken: And how would you know all that stuff? |
| 01:15.58 | Speeddymon | the issue is that i want to be able to disable threat-1.0 and have it load up if i am using aloft, nad not load up if i am not.. |
| 01:15.58 | Seerah_ | "MY POINT is that if there is nobody in my party using a threat addon, then there is no threat communication, and it is guessing only my threat, which is all i want threat-1.0 to do.. " |
| 01:15.58 | kenlyric | guessing at threat does nothing to reduce suckage. |
| 01:16.05 | Shirik | You'd communicate. Which implies that the other person has to have the addon. |
| 01:16.08 | Seerah_ | that's what he said and that's what he was asking for... |
| 01:16.20 | kenlyric | Speeddymon: so you want threat to not be a required lib in aloft? |
| 01:16.23 | Speeddymon | wau makes me download a bunch of libs that i dont use and i want them disabled when i am not using them |
| 01:16.24 | Shirik | Chicken before the egg |
| 01:16.24 | kenlyric | i'd agree with that. |
| 01:16.24 | Nickenyfiken | Shirik: that was my point. It need to communicate or else it would be very inaccurate. |
| 01:16.30 | Shirik | yup |
| 01:16.57 | Speeddymon | its not required in the aloft toc.. but it needs to be.. my original point was that threat-1.0 should be lod so that when i use aloft, it loads, when i dont use aloft, it doesnt |
| 01:17.16 | Speeddymon | that is all |
| 01:17.38 | Speeddymon | the only time i load aloft is when im going to party, which is rarely |
| 01:17.42 | Guillotine | just use embedded libraries |
| 01:17.49 | Seerah_ | agree |
| 01:17.52 | Speeddymon | so i dont have any reason to load threat or aloft if i am not partying.. |
| 01:17.55 | Seerah_ | keep Threat-1.0 embedded in aloft |
| 01:18.07 | Seerah_ | if aloft is disabled, Threat doesn't load |
| 01:18.20 | Speeddymon | how do i do that while using non-embedded libs for everything else? |
| 01:18.34 | Seerah_ | put it in the Aloft\libs folder |
| 01:18.40 | kenlyric | so, the embedding/LoD questing is *entirely* different from the comm question. |
| 01:18.45 | kenlyric | *question |
| 01:18.50 | Shirik | it is |
| 01:19.00 | Shirik | And I'm wondering where that question went, or if Speeddymon ever got our point |
| 01:19.02 | Seerah_ | or download aloft *with* externals and delete the standalone version in the Addons folder |
| 01:19.18 | Seerah_ | :) shirik |
| 01:19.31 | kenlyric | and no, you can't trust the threat bar if you're the only person using threat. |
| 01:19.39 | Speeddymon | if i dl aloft with externals, wont it switch back to no externals when i hit update all addons? |
| 01:19.42 | Seerah_ | absolutely not |
| 01:19.44 | kenlyric | though, that leads me to ask if there's a way to easily check who else in party is using threat/ktm |
| 01:19.53 | Seerah_ | speeddymon no |
| 01:20.01 | Speeddymon | k |
| 01:20.05 | Speeddymon | ken.. ask maybe? |
| 01:20.23 | Seerah_ | you'll just have to delete the standalone threat |
| 01:20.28 | Speeddymon | np there |
| 01:21.00 | Seerah_ | kenlyric: well, omen has a version query |
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| 01:21.13 | Seerah_ | but as for PB, Vio, Aloft, etc, don't think so |
| 01:22.06 | Seerah_ | wow my brain hurts.... |
| 01:23.04 | Seerah_ | do you understand, though, speeddymon, that threat data is pointless if you're either a) the only one using it or b) you're not comparing it to anyone else's? |
| 01:23.13 | Seerah_ | just curious, since that wasn't resolved up there |
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| 01:23.26 | Xingularity | greetings |
| 01:23.47 | Seerah_ | hola xingularity |
| 01:25.11 | Xingularity | Anyone got a minute? I need someone to beat me over the head with the [Hammer of the obvious] and tell me how to work SinkLib |
| 01:25.12 | Seerah_ | guess we'll never know ;) |
| 01:25.43 | Xingularity | hehe |
| 01:25.46 | Seerah_ | doh! I got so caught up in that, I never went to get seconds on dinner :( |
| 01:26.47 | Xingularity | is there a page somewhere with function descriptors? or is that what the (now blank) wiki is for? |
| 01:28.56 | Seerah_ | if there was something there before, and isn't now, then it never got restored after the wipe |
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| 01:30.34 | Xingularity | . /cry |
| 01:33.14 | Speeddymon | Seerah_: I don't see why it is pointless.. if it is threat, we are measuring, it should be obtainable regardless of whether someone else is using a threat addon.. Aggro, however, should be calculated by other's readings too.. But the words are used interchangably in this game, unfortunately.. |
| 01:33.31 | kadrahil | haha, we are doing arena with 4 hunters and a shaman |
| 01:33.32 | Seerah_ | you're confusing the two |
| 01:33.43 | Seerah_ | aggro is if a mob is focused on you |
| 01:33.52 | Speeddymon | i know that |
| 01:33.54 | Seerah_ | threat is all relative compared to other players |
| 01:33.59 | charon | i believe Seerah_'s point is that threat could be scaled arbitrarily, it has no absolute value |
| 01:34.06 | Speeddymon | threat is the likelyhood of a mob focussing on you |
| 01:34.09 | charon | you could assign 1 point of untalented damage 1 threat, or 10, or whatever |
| 01:34.40 | charon | and no, there's no likelihood involved, either, once you know the relative threat values (as opposed to guessing them via a threat addon), you know what the mob will attack, deterministically |
| 01:35.42 | Speeddymon | depends on what you are using to display your threat.. aloft doesnt tell me im going to, it just shows me how much of a chance there is.. |
| 01:36.05 | charon | aloft just compares your threat to the current aggro holder, or the second below you if you have aggro |
| 01:36.07 | Nargiddley | no it shows you how much threat you have in relation to the tanks, and how much more you need before you pull |
| 01:36.19 | Seerah_ | exactly |
| 01:36.25 | Speeddymon | right.. which doesnt mean anything to me unless i see that bar go green |
| 01:36.25 | Nargiddley | just because its a bar and not numbers doesnt change how it works |
| 01:36.34 | Seerah_ | if it doesn't have anything to compare it to, though, it's meaningless |
| 01:36.43 | Seerah_ | what aloft shows you is a comparison |
| 01:36.48 | Speeddymon | ok, but i can't see the tank's threat.. only my own |
| 01:37.02 | Nargiddley | i havent seen the bar but |
| 01:37.14 | Seerah_ | we didn't say you personally had to look at everyone's threat and compare it |
| 01:37.15 | Nargiddley | the tanks threat is the top of the bar, yours is the filled in part |
| 01:37.18 | Seerah_ | but something has to |
| 01:37.23 | charon | Speeddymon: aloft _scales_ the tank's threat so that it fills the entire space of the bar |
| 01:37.36 | charon | it says: look here, tank 100%, you so-and-so % |
| 01:37.50 | Speeddymon | ahh |
| 01:38.07 | Seerah_ | if you go over the tank, it says "you: 100%, tank: 90%" or something |
| 01:38.14 | Speeddymon | kinda |
| 01:38.23 | Speeddymon | but now i get it.. |
| 01:38.26 | Seerah_ | but do you understand now? |
| 01:38.29 | Seerah_ | good |
| 01:38.49 | Seerah_ | so, without anyone else's data to compare with, it's useless |
| 01:39.07 | Speeddymon | i thought the gray was the threshold that the game returned for the threat amount to make mob focus on you.. |
| 01:39.16 | Nargiddley | the game doesnt return anything |
| 01:39.20 | Seerah_ | the game gives nothing for threat |
| 01:39.22 | Speeddymon | but now i see that its the tank's |
| 01:39.24 | orionshock | lol |
| 01:39.32 | charon | ~golfclap Speeddymon |
| 01:39.33 | purl | ACTION gives Speeddymon a soft applause |
| 01:39.37 | Seerah_ | KTM and Threat are the ONLY type of mod that completely make crap up as they go along :) |
| 01:39.39 | orionshock | GetUnitThreat("player","target") |
| 01:39.42 | Speeddymon | lol |
| 01:39.57 | Speeddymon | actually, i kkinda thought something along those lines.. |
| 01:39.58 | Seerah_ | this is why you need the database of spells and talents |
| 01:40.06 | Speeddymon | maybe not like that tho.. onevent is hell |
| 01:40.07 | Seerah_ | and the communication |
| 01:40.52 | Speeddymon | so the only thing i still dont understand then is why threat-1.0 can't be load on demand.. |
| 01:41.12 | Speeddymon | it generates numbers, sure |
| 01:41.23 | charon | it would have to LOD every time you attack something so what's the point |
| 01:41.24 | Seerah_ | because it's not only thinking about you, but about your group members |
| 01:41.27 | Speeddymon | but it doesnt have anything itself that displays those numbers does it? |
| 01:41.29 | Seerah_ | that, too |
| 01:41.50 | Shirik | when would you have it load up? |
| 01:41.54 | Shirik | I would object to it loading when I enter combat |
| 01:41.58 | Speeddymon | no no |
| 01:42.00 | Speeddymon | not like that |
| 01:42.01 | Shirik | which is typically a rather critical time |
| 01:42.28 | Speeddymon | by load on demand, i mean that if another addon is supposed to use it, then it loads, but if no other addon is using it, then it doesn't.. |
| 01:42.42 | Shirik | that is how all Ace libraries function afaik |
| 01:43.09 | Speeddymon | they do, but for some reason, (from what i have seen in my own tests) it wont do that unless LoadOnDemand: 1 is in the toc |
| 01:43.21 | Speeddymon | and threat-1.0 doesnt have that |
| 01:43.24 | Shirik | that is to imply that you are using externals |
| 01:43.27 | Speeddymon | yes |
| 01:43.32 | Seerah_ | you don't need anything to "use" it if all you want is to help calculate/send your threat data and don't care about seeing it |
| 01:43.51 | Seerah_ | like we said earlier: just keep it embedded |
| 01:43.52 | Speeddymon | right, but i dont want to calc/send my threat data unless im going to party |
| 01:43.58 | Speeddymon | no no i get that and i will |
| 01:44.05 | Shirik | it's not going to try to send threat data to a channel that doesn't exist |
| 01:44.05 | Speeddymon | but it is still a bug in one of those 2 addons |
| 01:44.07 | Shirik | so don't worry about that |
| 01:44.10 | Seerah_ | if you're not in party, it doesn't calculate |
| 01:44.18 | Speeddymon | but its still sitting in memory |
| 01:44.20 | Seerah_ | if you're not in party, it has no one to send to |
| 01:44.21 | Speeddymon | which is what i dont want |
| 01:44.22 | Shirik | oh noes! |
| 01:44.26 | Shirik | We're running out of memories! |
| 01:44.28 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.31 | Shirik | I am so sick of that argument |
| 01:44.32 | Seerah_ | memory usage doesn't matter |
| 01:44.33 | buu | Speeddymon: Are you playing on a calculator? |
| 01:44.35 | Seerah_ | welcome, buu ;) |
| 01:44.40 | Shirik | Memory issue is not a big deal |
| 01:44.47 | Speeddymon | lol no.. im just trying to get my mem consumption less than 100mb |
| 01:44.54 | Shirik | In fact, in Lua, memory usage is proportional to CPU performance, as is true in most languages |
| 01:44.59 | Gagorian | Haha then you're looking in the wrong place |
| 01:45.05 | buu | I'm guessing threatlib isn't the culprit.. |
| 01:45.12 | Shirik | larger memory usage == better CPU performance for two equally well written addons |
| 01:45.15 | Speeddymon | no, but having it disabled will help |
| 01:45.20 | Seerah_ | if you turned off Threat-1.0, you'd gain maybe.... 100kb? |
| 01:45.20 | Xingularity | 100mb? man, your interface must be pimped |
| 01:45.24 | Shirik | Speeddymon: What's telling you 100mb? |
| 01:45.31 | Shirik | Have you bothered to even check how much of that is garbage? |
| 01:45.33 | Speeddymon | fubar-garbagefu |
| 01:45.35 | Shirik | Do you know what garbage is? |
| 01:45.40 | kenlyric | wow. |
| 01:45.41 | Speeddymon | thats immediately after a load |
| 01:45.48 | Shirik | that doesn't answer my question |
| 01:45.51 | Speeddymon | and after a garbagecollect.. |
| 01:45.53 | Seerah_ | garbagefu keeps track of your gray items |
| 01:45.56 | Speeddymon | err |
| 01:46.00 | Speeddymon | 1 sec |
| 01:46.09 | Speeddymon | fubar-gcinfu |
| 01:46.19 | Shirik | ok, and what's at the top of the list? |
| 01:46.20 | kenlyric | man, I barely broke 100mb pre 2.0 with lootlink AND auctioneer loaded. |
| 01:46.27 | Shirik | I mean, I have a crapton of addons installed |
| 01:46.29 | Shirik | and I'm at 20MB |
| 01:46.33 | Speeddymon | lol dont flame me.. but wowecon |
| 01:46.36 | Seerah_ | I did! I capped out at my limit of 130MB! |
| 01:47.06 | kenlyric | I run about 30-40 starttup, but it grows to around 50-60 with recount running. |
| 01:47.14 | Speeddymon | i hit 140+ all the time, which is why i gotta gc |
| 01:47.18 | kenlyric | and I had monstrous shit like discord. |
| 01:47.20 | Seerah_ | and the only times I had performance issues with that was when it hit the cap and needed to GC |
| 01:47.23 | Shirik | no you don't |
| 01:47.28 | Shirik | forcing a garbage collect is BAD |
| 01:47.35 | Shirik | it only harms performanc |
| 01:47.36 | Shirik | e |
| 01:47.44 | Speeddymon | my fps goes up when i do it.. |
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| 01:47.55 | Shirik | Yeah, and you're annihilating the GC parameters at the same time |
| 01:47.56 | Seerah_ | I think you have other addons you need to pare down |
| 01:48.06 | Shirik | GC is supposed to be an incremental process, not an atomic one |
| 01:48.12 | Shirik | if you're that worried about it, get GCTweak |
| 01:48.25 | Speeddymon | if i dont gc, when i hit shat, im at like 8fps, if i gc, then when i go into shat it only drops to 30 |
| 01:48.37 | Shirik | A great addon written by clad|away that handles GC at nonstandard times without using an atomic process |
| 01:48.52 | Speeddymon | is it in svn? |
| 01:48.58 | kenlyric | i'd still like to see the mod list that starts out at 100mb. |
| 01:49.04 | Shirik | specifically it performs GC steps whenever your FPS is over 30 |
| 01:49.07 | Shirik | and I would too |
| 01:49.14 | Shirik | Speeddymon: no. WoWInterface |
| 01:49.20 | Speeddymon | wowecon, 67mb immed after load.... |
| 01:49.34 | Speeddymon | auctioneer, 25mb after load |
| 01:49.42 | Speeddymon | shall i go on? |
| 01:49.43 | Shirik | why do you have both.... |
| 01:50.11 | Shirik | Also 67MB is a hell of a lot of data |
| 01:50.13 | Shirik | how did they pull that off? |
| 01:50.17 | Seerah_ | lol |
| 01:50.32 | charon | tell me this isn't true... we spend like 2 hours arguing over why a small library doesn't have to be LOD, yet the actual cause of your problems are TWO addons totalling 92MB that you'd probably better run on a trade alt/mule? |
| 01:50.36 | Seerah_ | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7522-GCTweak.html |
| 01:50.37 | Shirik | I mean come on, I've written some addons where I was concerned about the sheer size of the info |
| 01:50.47 | Shirik | and it was only taking a couple of MB |
| 01:50.50 | Seerah_ | that is funny |
| 01:51.06 | Speeddymon | b/c wowecon shows prices people actually paid, but my server has a crappy list for items ppl bought, so i use auctioneer to see what ppl are listing for so i can undercut them.. |
| 01:51.23 | Speeddymon | charon: i said dont flame me.. |
| 01:51.30 | Shirik | and yes, I do like to go back to charon |
| 01:51.32 | Shirik | he's not flaming you |
| 01:51.35 | Seerah_ | we're not flaming you, just trying to educate |
| 01:51.40 | Shirik | he's pointing out that you have two addons totalling over 90MB |
| 01:51.45 | Speeddymon | i know those addons use a lot of mem.. |
| 01:51.48 | Shirik | And you're worried about shrinking the other 10MB |
| 01:51.57 | Shirik | specifically Threat-1.0, which is probably less than 1/10 of that |
| 01:52.08 | Seerah_ | 1/100 probably |
| 01:52.08 | Shirik | s/probably// |
| 01:52.09 | Speeddymon | i dont want to use them on an alt, etc, and yes i want to shrink the other 10mb.. |
| 01:52.31 | kenlyric | that's twice now i've fallen for this trap of fail. |
| 01:52.33 | charon | ... |
| 01:52.35 | charon | i'm speechless |
| 01:52.46 | Speeddymon | lol |
| 01:52.47 | Shirik | Threat isn't even in my memory usage list, and the lowest shown is 300KB |
| 01:52.54 | Speeddymon | ok |
| 01:53.00 | Speeddymon | look im not saying threat was to blame |
| 01:53.02 | Seerah_ | you do know that auction prices are pretty much a touch and go anyway, right? |
| 01:53.03 | Speeddymon | i never said that |
| 01:53.06 | charon | threat has ZERO data, it's just a few KBs of code |
| 01:53.20 | charon | unless you actually use it, then it builds a translation table which, amagad, probably amounts to 10KB tops |
| 01:53.27 | charon | maybe 100KB if you run it all night. |
| 01:53.27 | Gagorian | Well that's not actually true |
| 01:53.32 | Speeddymon | seerah: yes but i like seeing the prices for items i pick up when i pick them up, not when i get back to town |
| 01:53.32 | Shirik | but my point is |
| 01:53.37 | Shirik | if you're not worried about this other 90MB |
| 01:53.39 | Gagorian | It has to have ability based data |
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| 01:53.45 | Shirik | what's the point of trying to conserve the other 10? |
| 01:53.49 | Shirik | I don't see one |
| 01:53.53 | charon | Gagorian: meh, true, touché |
| 01:54.02 | Seerah_ | speeddymon: you mean the vendor prices? |
| 01:54.16 | Gagorian | Threat is about 300 kB |
| 01:54.17 | Speeddymon | no.. the auction prices.. so i can know whether i should drop the item |
| 01:54.19 | Speeddymon | o |
| 01:54.26 | Speeddymon | or hold onto it to auction |
| 01:54.30 | Seerah_ | speeddymon: that's in Auctioneer |
| 01:54.34 | Speeddymon | yea i know |
| 01:54.36 | Speeddymon | but like i said |
| 01:54.40 | Seerah_ | then why not just use the one mod? |
| 01:54.55 | Seerah_ | my brain hurts again :( |
| 01:54.56 | Speeddymon | auctioneer only shows what ppl listed it for.. theres no guarantee that someone bought it for that price |
| 01:55.12 | Speeddymon | wowecon shows the price someone else using wowecon paid for an item |
| 01:55.12 | Seerah_ | it used to |
| 01:55.17 | Speeddymon | nope.. never did.. |
| 01:55.21 | Speeddymon | think about it likethis |
| 01:55.22 | Seerah_ | there's never any guarantee what someone will buy something for |
| 01:55.25 | Seerah_ | never |
| 01:55.27 | Speeddymon | duh |
| 01:55.28 | Seerah_ | never ever |
| 01:55.34 | Shirik | real quick question |
| 01:55.39 | Shirik | anyone use prat here? |
| 01:55.40 | Speeddymon | you scan the ah.. those are live auctions that havent been bought out |
| 01:55.55 | Shirik | a while ago I had prat configured to show the little down arrow at the bottom right corner when I scroll up |
| 01:55.59 | Shirik | how do I do that again? |
| 01:55.59 | Speeddymon | you scan it later, some of those auctions are gone, auctioneer doesnt know whether they were cancelled or bought out |
| 01:56.05 | Seerah_ | but with wowecon, are you looking at data for ONLY your server? |
| 01:56.10 | Speeddymon | yes |
| 01:56.17 | Speeddymon | i disabled the global output |
| 01:56.19 | charon | Shirik: look for "scrolldown reminder" in the buttons config, don't have wow open any more |
| 01:56.24 | Seerah_ | shirik: something about buttons..... |
| 01:56.29 | Seerah_ | yeah |
| 01:56.38 | kenlyric | let's see if I can say this as clearly as possible. |
| 01:56.44 | kenlyric | Wowecon is your problem. |
| 01:56.46 | Speeddymon | duh |
| 01:56.48 | Speeddymon | i know that |
| 01:56.52 | Speeddymon | i never denied that |
| 01:56.56 | kenlyric | Trying to reduce the memory footprint of other mods isn't going to solve your problem. |
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| 01:57.05 | Speeddymon | look |
| 01:57.06 | kenlyric | disable wowecon, problem solved. |
| 01:57.21 | kenlyric | 10mb from other addons isn't going to do anything when you've got 90mb from two mods. |
| 01:57.23 | Shirik | charon / Seerah_ : perfect thanks |
| 01:57.26 | Speeddymon | my original complaint is about a bug in either aloft or threat.. its apparent that threat isnt the problem |
| 01:57.29 | Seerah_ | how about this? replace Auctioneer with KCI or ditch it all together |
| 01:57.35 | Speeddymon | hell no |
| 01:57.48 | kenlyric | or get auctioneeradvanced, which has a much smaller footprint. |
| 01:57.51 | Speeddymon | auctioneer i need.. i tried kci and it didnt have everything i want |
| 01:58.08 | Speeddymon | and AADV.. uhh its not even beta.. half od the shit dont work right |
| 01:58.08 | Seerah_ | or that, kenlyric |
| 01:58.20 | Seerah_ | I've heard others saying it's fine |
| 01:58.22 | Speeddymon | i tried it, it was sayin i should sell a green for 60G |
| 01:58.30 | Speeddymon | a green |
| 01:58.38 | Seerah_ | but you don't care what auctioneer says- you use wowecon |
| 01:59.12 | Speeddymon | its a weight system.. i prefer auctioneer.. only time i do wowecon is if auctioneer doesnt have info for an item, |
| 01:59.23 | Speeddymon | which is pretty often on my server.. |
| 01:59.59 | kenlyric | you know, I used to like having auctioneer on my main for when I got auctionable things... but then it pushed me to 130mb during a raid, and I decided maybe it wasn't worth it. |
| 02:00.05 | charon | i suggest you use your profound auction knowledge and experience to buy an extra GB of RAM on ebay, problem solved. |
| 02:00.07 | charon | [SCNR] |
| 02:00.15 | Speeddymon | either way, i reported the problem to aloft's maintainer, hopefully he can setup his threat module to only load if threat-1.0 is loaded |
| 02:00.25 | Speeddymon | uhh im maxed at 2gb already |
| 02:00.37 | Speeddymon | with a geforce 8800gtx 768mb watercooled |
| 02:00.48 | Speeddymon | and an athlon 4k+ |
| 02:01.04 | charon | and you manage to have performance issues with such a system? |
| 02:01.10 | Speeddymon | in shat? yes |
| 02:01.16 | kenlyric | thank god, now it's gone. |
| 02:01.17 | Speeddymon | who doesnt |
| 02:01.26 | Gagorian | I have 3600+ and radeon 9600 XT and shattrah is fine |
| 02:01.28 | kenlyric | if you stop poking it, maybe it'll stop. |
| 02:01.49 | Speeddymon | Gagorian you must be on a small server |
| 02:01.57 | Gagorian | Not really |
| 02:02.09 | Speeddymon | daggerspine, anyone? |
| 02:02.51 | charon | i run it on a pentium-M 1.8ghz, 1GB, ati mobility 9600 system and of course it's neither fast nor beautiful but i can manage. how can you possibly complain with such a powerful system? |
| 02:03.18 | kenlyric | seriously guys, it's like in-laws. If you turn off the lights and stay very very quiet, they go away. |
| 02:03.58 | Seerah_ | speeddymon: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4682-gfxToggle2.html |
| 02:04.03 | charon | i'm sure fisker would be glad to help with a big chunk of obvioooooouuuus |
| 02:04.15 | charon | gn8, it's too late anyway |
| 02:04.39 | Kaydeethree | "gneight"? |
| 02:04.59 | charon | actually, more like gn-four in my timezone. |
| 02:05.49 | Xingularity | Another noob Q: how do I turn an options list into a right-click menu? |
| 02:06.20 | Seerah_ | dewdrop can do that |
| 02:06.23 | Xingularity | i'm assuming here that the options tables used by aceConsole can be used for this purpose |
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| 02:06.31 | Speeddymon | charon: all detail settings turned all the way up.. 60-150fps outside shat, 5-20fps inside shat |
| 02:06.37 | Xingularity | dewdrop eh? i'll take a look |
| 02:06.39 | Xingularity | cheers |
| 02:06.51 | Sole_ | shat is terrible for fps |
| 02:06.57 | Sole_ | Im stuck at 75fps everywhere |
| 02:07.02 | Sole_ | in shat I drop to like 50 |
| 02:07.08 | Sole_ | shit aint right yo |
| 02:07.24 | Speeddymon | Xingularity: i recommend aceoptions personally.. dewdrop is harder to write.. |
| 02:07.38 | Speeddymon | although dewdrop can befed an aceoptions table |
| 02:07.45 | Seerah_ | can aceoptions do a right-click menu though? |
| 02:07.52 | kenlyric | Sole_: let me take this opportunity to cry for you. |
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| 02:07.56 | Speeddymon | yes.. you feed it to dewdrop |
| 02:07.58 | Xingularity | so what's the diff? I mean, i already have an options table set up for aceconsole |
| 02:07.59 | Seerah_ | ah |
| 02:08.09 | Seerah_ | speeddymon: did you look at that mod I linked you? |
| 02:08.20 | Speeddymon | use (iirc) dewdrop:FeedAceOptionsTable |
| 02:08.22 | Speeddymon | not yet |
| 02:08.48 | Seerah_ | really, with that system, I'd try that first |
| 02:10.07 | clad|away | does anyone have a tiny addon that remembers arena teams you face, and notify you when you re-encounter them? |
| 02:11.27 | Speeddymon | like i said, tho this isnt about my game performance so much as it is that i dont want ram consumption to be over 100 mb if possible, but i dont want to drop auctioneer or wowecon, and i dont want to run a bank alt.. |
| 02:12.02 | Speeddymon | Xingularity: check the dewdrop wiki, it has exact usage of that function there.. |
| 02:12.18 | Seerah_ | To get it below 100MB, you *need* to choose one or the other |
| 02:12.19 | Kaydeethree | ah, have we fallen into the "large memory numbers = bad" trap? |
| 02:12.37 | Seerah_ | but as I said earlier (yea, kaydeethree) memory doesn't matter |
| 02:12.49 | Seerah_ | it's your FPS in Shat that you said you have issues with |
| 02:13.08 | Seerah_ | try what I linked and if that doesn't fix it, then try something else :P |
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| 02:14.22 | Silowyi | anyone have a list of the chat tokens besides %t? |
| 02:14.36 | Shirik | %t %f ... and there's one other |
| 02:15.23 | Seerah_ | don't recall |
| 02:15.26 | Shirik | %n |
| 02:15.30 | Seerah_ | what's that one? |
| 02:15.49 | Shirik | I just went through them all, that's it |
| 02:15.51 | Shirik | I don't really know |
| 02:15.55 | Seerah_ | :P |
| 02:15.56 | Shirik | it returned what %t was |
| 02:16.09 | Seerah_ | <3 gemsay |
| 02:16.12 | Seerah_ | on Curse |
| 02:16.47 | Seerah_ | creates a gajillion new chat token thingies |
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| 02:18.25 | Seerah_ | I'm off - nn all |
| 02:18.51 | nekoh | omg. |
| 02:19.01 | nekoh | oops wc |
| 02:19.04 | Xingularity | So with DewDrop is it a matter of just feeding it the AceOptions table and calling a function on right-clicks? Or is it more in-depth than that? |
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| 02:25.33 | ag` | Xingularity: nah, that's about it |
| 02:26.47 | clad|away | does anyone have a tiny addon that remembers arena teams you face, and notify you when you re-encounter them? |
| 02:26.56 | clad|away | i'm also looking for a "shadow word death NOW" addon :P |
| 02:28.27 | kenlyric | when is Now? |
| 02:28.45 | aestil | could just use parrot to set up a triger for SW:D to say "GO" at a certain health %? |
| 02:28.55 | Thelyna | presumably when targetHealth < swdDamage? |
| 02:28.59 | kenlyric | well, for some people NOW is when the CD is up. |
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| 02:30.56 | kenlyric | http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0252223/qm1024_04.jpg.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Izzard%2C%20Eddie&seq=47 |
| 02:31.32 | kenlyric | proof positive we need crossdressers in the military. |
| 02:31.38 | kenlyric | what enemy wouldn't run? |
| 02:31.48 | Kemayo | I miss MrPlow's bank-stack working... I really do... |
| 02:40.06 | clad|away | kenlyric: no i want it when it will kill my target |
| 02:40.06 | clad|away | for cheap pvp purposes. |
| 02:44.29 | CIA-22 | 03speeddymon * r49003 10CooldownTimers2/ (6 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 02:44.30 | CIA-22 | CooldownTimers2: |
| 02:44.30 | CIA-22 | -Dependency changes in TOC, and added some X- fields |
| 02:44.30 | CIA-22 | -Changes in the LUA's for the dependency changes |
| 02:44.30 | CIA-22 | -Added proper profile support, MAKE SURE YOU DELETE THE FOLLOWING 4 FILES AFTER DOWNLOADING AND INSTALLING THIS VERSION |
| 02:44.31 | CIA-22 | -WOW\WTF\ACCOUNT\(ACCT)\(REALM)\(CHAR)\SAVEDVARIABLES\COOLDOWNTIMERS2.LUA |
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| 02:49.08 | CIA-22 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r532 10/trunk/Quecho/Quecho.lua: Quecho - Added accept/turnin echos |
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| 03:49.13 | CIA-22 | YssGuildShop: |
| 03:49.13 | CIA-22 | - fixed a possible nil error |
| 03:49.13 | CIA-22 | - (previous update fixed the database sharing. Forgot to set the commit log oops) |
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| 04:09.45 | theoddone33 | hm something crashed me going into a BG |
| 04:09.53 | theoddone33 | just updated all my mods this afternoon |
| 04:10.00 | theoddone33 | any idea how to figure out which did it? |
| 04:10.19 | theoddone33 | if any |
| 04:15.39 | yssaril | theoddone33: is this a reoccuring problem or just happened onec? |
| 04:15.50 | theoddone33 | I'll find out in a bit |
| 04:16.07 | theoddone33 | the crash dump wasn't obvious so if it happens again I'll just have to start disabling and reenabling |
| 04:16.09 | theoddone33 | I guess |
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| 04:39.28 | CIA-22 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r533 10/trunk/tekability/ (tekability.lua tekability.toc): tekability - AddonLoader support, whee. |
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| 04:58.57 | ZealotOnAStick | uhm. |
| 04:59.06 | ZealotOnAStick | How did we go from 49006 to 533? |
| 04:59.29 | Shirik | different repo :) |
| 04:59.46 | dylanm | Tekkub's is on google code |
| 05:00.07 | Guillotine | anybody know how to check if a value is an integer in VB? Can't use my usual modulo trick since apparently VB truncates decimals with it :( |
| 05:01.50 | Guillotine | meh, found a way around it |
| 05:02.15 | Guillotine | btw, what happened to the guy that asked for comm to be removed from Threat? |
| 05:02.31 | theoddone33 | modulo trick? what... i == i % 1? |
| 05:03.07 | theoddone33 | I'm not actually sure what i % 1 does, heh |
| 05:03.18 | Shirik | returns its integral part |
| 05:03.33 | Shirik | lua> return 5.9810294 % 1 |
| 05:03.33 | cladbot | Shirik: 0.9810294 |
| 05:03.35 | Shirik | er |
| 05:03.38 | Shirik | its fractional part >< |
| 05:03.43 | Shirik | <-- nub moment |
| 05:03.53 | theoddone33 | I'm thinking in C |
| 05:03.57 | theoddone33 | you'd use fmod |
| 05:03.59 | Shirik | in C, you can't do it |
| 05:04.00 | theoddone33 | or whatever |
| 05:04.03 | Shirik | yeah |
| 05:05.03 | Guillotine | yah |
| 05:05.25 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.36 | Guillotine | works in Lua, Python, and a couple others |
| 05:05.39 | Guillotine | but not C or VB :( |
| 05:06.15 | Guillotine | in C you can just do "if (int)VarName == VarName |
| 05:06.15 | Shirik | well it's more logical imho |
| 05:06.23 | Shirik | but this goes back to my old argument of languages should follow processors |
| 05:06.51 | Shirik | Guillotine: that would be "if ((float)(int)varName) == VarName |
| 05:07.00 | Guillotine | err, yah, that |
| 05:07.09 | Shirik | actually it might step it up |
| 05:07.10 | Shirik | but I forget |
| 05:07.16 | Guillotine | no, you're right |
| 05:07.17 | theoddone33 | always steps down |
| 05:07.46 | Shirik | I've always done |
| 05:07.55 | Shirik | if (0 == VarName - (int)VarName |
| 05:08.13 | theoddone33 | boo @ not using 0.0f |
| 05:08.15 | theoddone33 | heh |
| 05:08.47 | Shirik | don't matter :P |
| 05:08.52 | Shirik | assuming VarName is a float it'll work |
| 05:09.07 | Shirik | and 0.0f is redundant too :P 0. works just fine |
| 05:09.12 | theoddone33 | matters a little on some platforms |
| 05:09.20 | theoddone33 | maybe not in that specific case |
| 05:10.02 | theoddone33 | float blah = 0.0 - someFloat; is different than float blah = 0 - someFloat; is different than float blah = 0.0f - someFloat; |
| 05:10.14 | theoddone33 | 0 - someFloat is probably fine |
| 05:11.22 | theoddone33 | the issue is making sure you're not implicitly converting to double which sucks on platforms without double precision floating point |
| 05:11.26 | Guillotine | I just ended up rounding |
| 05:11.33 | theoddone33 | but that's not really lua OR wow related :( |
| 05:11.34 | theoddone33 | heh |
| 05:11.35 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:12.13 | Guillotine | who said this channel had to do with Lua or WoW? |
| 05:12.31 | Guillotine | :P |
| 05:12.57 | Guillotine | but seriously, what happened to that guy that asked for comm to be removed from ThreatLib? How many pieces is he in now? |
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| 05:15.19 | Guillotine | Adys: thats what I get for talking in multiple channels on the same subject at once :P |
| 05:16.41 | Adys | :P |
| 05:17.09 | Adys | i think it is/used to be on the 47-48k |
| 05:17.22 | Adys | but dont take my word for it, cant find it again |
| 05:24.30 | Guillotine | application references don't work well with vista :( |
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| 06:02.57 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot: |
| 06:02.57 | CIA-22 | - French Update |
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| 06:09.24 | Funkeh` | Where do you learn 120+poisons and 120+ lockpicking |
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| 06:15.57 | Funkeh` | meh |
| 06:15.58 | Funkeh` | gn |
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| 06:16.22 | buu | Wow. |
| 06:16.27 | buu | Assessment is so awesome. |
| 06:16.40 | buu | Win in the face. |
| 06:17.01 | CIA-22 | 03candykiss * r49008 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/Editbox.lua: Prat: zhCN updated |
| 06:18.02 | Lukian | buu, oh? I found violation and swstats still superior |
| 06:18.09 | buu | Lukian: I want to have its babies. |
| 06:18.36 | buu | Lukian: I don't think I tried violation, but I found swstats hideously unituitive |
| 06:18.41 | buu | Er, unintuitive |
| 06:18.54 | buu | Assessment just does everything exactly how I want it to. It's so sexy. |
| 06:18.57 | Lukian | once you set swstats up it tells you more than you need to know :p |
| 06:19.08 | Lukian | ie. spell penetration of a mob's spell on you :D |
| 06:19.17 | Lukian | great for testing resistance gear :) |
| 06:19.30 | buu | I mean, I can make it show me dps, then I just right click and select.. deaths, it shows me a nice set of deaths, then I click on the death bar and it gives me combat log entries |
| 06:19.47 | buu | I'm getting all hot just thinking about it |
| 06:19.59 | Lukian | haha |
| 06:20.02 | buu | Perhaps it doesn't actually do more than any of the others, but I could never make swstats do anything |
| 06:20.08 | Lukian | fair enough |
| 06:20.32 | buu | All I could make swstats do was display total damage for the last 2,000 fights, and then I'd click "report" and it just displayed a list o names |
| 06:20.57 | Lukian | heh, there's checkboxes for multiline, value, percentage etc :p |
| 06:21.22 | Lukian | it can show you your average and total damage with all your skills/spells. |
| 06:21.22 | buu | I have difficulty believing anyone would ever choose the 'list of names' over say, names + percent or something |
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| 06:21.35 | Lukian | yeah, it's defaults are stupid :) |
| 06:21.48 | Lukian | ace addons seem to give them some thought |
| 06:22.14 | buu | Yeah, I don't think I've configured a single thing about assessment and it does everything exactly how I Want |
| 06:22.42 | buu | It defaults to the single fight, it records the last couple of fights, it resets intelligently, it has total data options, you can easily configure it.. |
| 06:22.46 | buu | =] |
| 06:23.21 | Lukian | yeah, i'm not sure swstats actually has a single fight option. or an option for "non-effective dps" |
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| 06:27.04 | buu | Yeah |
| 06:27.18 | buu | And that was the number one thing I wanted.. single fight dps |
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| 06:43.00 | cncfanatics | yo all |
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| 06:52.55 | Blacklilac | <---- Lua noob right here. have a bit of other programming experience. anyone care to anwer a couple questions I have? (first addon) |
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| 07:05.53 | yssaril | lol i now have 2 T4 helmets |
| 07:06.25 | yssaril | [Ammo]: ping |
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| 07:40.41 | orionshock | morning all |
| 07:42.23 | orionshock | sylvanaar: ping |
| 07:43.08 | buu | NO |
| 07:43.11 | buu | JUST SAY NO. |
| 07:45.01 | orionshock | ? |
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| 07:50.52 | sylvanaar | orionshock pong |
| 07:51.34 | orionshock | sylvanaar: WAU & WAU2 -- any real difference that should be considered? |
| 07:51.58 | sylvanaar | WAU (me), WAU2 (karlthepagan) |
| 07:52.07 | orionshock | ah |
| 07:52.46 | sylvanaar | wau2 = java |
| 07:52.49 | Nickenyfiken | .NET / Java |
| 07:52.57 | Nickenyfiken | morning |
| 07:53.18 | Xinhuan | does .net/java make it better than just being a pure java app? |
| 07:53.33 | sylvanaar | .net makes it .net |
| 07:53.57 | Xinhuan | don't really get the difference |
| 07:54.21 | sylvanaar | wau2 is a completely new app |
| 07:54.37 | Nickenyfiken | Xinhuan: WAU2 is written in Java |
| 07:55.27 | Xinhuan | what about wau1.9? |
| 07:55.30 | liquidzoo | does that mean I can use it in Linux? Nice. |
| 07:55.31 | sylvanaar | c# |
| 07:55.53 | Nickenyfiken | There is a JavaAceUpdater too |
| 07:55.59 | Nickenyfiken | And MacAceUpdater |
| 07:56.06 | sylvanaar | cmdaceupdater |
| 07:56.16 | sylvanaar | wowuiupdater |
| 07:56.27 | liquidzoo | I get the point lol |
| 07:56.35 | orionshock | good old fashion cli svn client |
| 07:56.57 | Nickenyfiken | You gonna enumerate all SVN clients now? :-P |
| 07:57.13 | sylvanaar | lemon shrip, pepper shrimp |
| 07:57.37 | liquidzoo | I love the wowaceupdater that I use in Windows, being able to use the same thing in Linux would mean that I wouldn't have to reboot to easily update all of my Ace addons. |
| 07:57.55 | Arrowmaster | what it wont run in wine? |
| 07:58.32 | liquidzoo | not that I've tried. From what I understand it requires .net, and I know that doesn't work well in wine. |
| 07:58.54 | liquidzoo | wow works great in wine, with 1 noticable exception for the last 2 versions. |
| 07:59.27 | sylvanaar | im afraid to run linux, if i start it up its going to start claiming everything I do is a derivative work. =P |
| 07:59.43 | liquidzoo | lol |
| 08:00.01 | liquidzoo | I've used Linux for a long time, but only recently reinstalled it |
| 08:00.19 | liquidzoo | my fps in wow went up an average of 250% when I did |
| 08:00.29 | sylvanaar | im going to be updating my only linux box - my firewall with smoothwall 3 |
| 08:00.53 | orionshock | meh; i switched over to a bunch of beta addons and my frame rate went up by 20 |
| 08:01.24 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 08:01.40 | orionshock | i swear it did |
| 08:02.14 | sylvanaar | one of my hd's has a bad sector, but i have 15+ partitions and 7 drives and no clue which drive is failing, but it chokes my machine for a sec every so oftern |
| 08:02.17 | liquidzoo | I'm running with the same addons, same nvidia driver version, the only thing I have that's different is native 64 bit versus 32 bit Vista |
| 08:02.30 | liquidzoo | ouch, that's not good. |
| 08:02.44 | Xinhuan | why would you partition a drive into 15? |
| 08:03.04 | orionshock | wtb /bitch emote |
| 08:03.05 | Arrowmaster | my 3+ year old windows xp install is probably getting close to end of life, the windows folder is such a fucking mess |
| 08:03.06 | sylvanaar | i have its replacement right here - if i can figure out which drive it is |
| 08:03.14 | liquidzoo | 7 drives is only 2 partitions per drive with 1 that has 3 |
| 08:03.23 | sylvanaar | you partition off the first 1/4 of each drive |
| 08:04.01 | Xinhuan | oh i thought your 7 drives included disk and cd-rom/dvd rom drives heh |
| 08:04.03 | liquidzoo | I have 3 drives, 6 windows partitions and 3 linux partitions, 4 with the swap. |
| 08:04.15 | Xinhuan | or did you really mean you have 7 harddrives partitioned into 15? |
| 08:04.56 | sylvanaar | i have 3 drives with the windows page file in its own partition |
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| 08:05.20 | Arrowmaster | once i build a new system im going to turn this one into a linux server with a big raid5 setup, i hate partitions |
| 08:05.23 | Xinhuan | does that improve performance by having the pagefile in its own partition/ |
| 08:05.25 | Xinhuan | ? |
| 08:05.28 | sylvanaar | i hate raid |
| 08:05.33 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 08:05.37 | Xinhuan | i set my pagefile to a fixed constant size so it doesn't ever change in size |
| 08:05.41 | Xinhuan | or get fragmented |
| 08:05.49 | Arrowmaster | same |
| 08:05.51 | Xinhuan | its like 3gb |
| 08:05.53 | sylvanaar | windows will load balance the drive usage |
| 08:06.29 | Arrowmaster | i dont want windows to use my storage drives for pagefile, ive already had 4 of them die on me |
| 08:07.48 | liquidzoo | I need to get some dvd-dl disks so I can back up some of my stuff...like the 30+ gb of music and another 20 of digital photos |
| 08:08.07 | sylvanaar | meh, just wait and get bluray |
| 08:08.27 | sylvanaar | i have stuff to burn from 2005 |
| 08:08.33 | sylvanaar | still there |
| 08:08.52 | liquidzoo | When bluray comes down in price significantly, I will get it. |
| 08:09.05 | orionshock | it wont' |
| 08:09.06 | cncfanatics | meh, <3 lvm |
| 08:09.19 | orionshock | it's an unrealistic medium |
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| 08:09.36 | liquidzoo | so is hd-dvd, neither will last as long as dvd has |
| 08:09.39 | cncfanatics | how so orion ? I kinda didntread anything about em |
| 08:10.02 | Arrowmaster | ive only read the technical differences between them |
| 08:10.18 | orionshock | seriously what do you need 40+gb of storage for? |
| 08:10.24 | orionshock | on a personal lvl? |
| 08:10.28 | cncfanatics | HD movies take a LOT of space |
| 08:10.42 | cncfanatics | 1h of HD film can easely be 5gig as far as I know |
| 08:10.45 | Blacklilac | Arrowmaster: do you happen to have a lock on burning legion? |
| 08:10.48 | Arrowmaster | umm i have over 1TB of hdd storage |
| 08:11.00 | Arrowmaster | Blacklilac: yup |
| 08:11.05 | Blacklilac | no shit |
| 08:11.05 | orionshock | for biz, you aren't going to use blue ray - your going to use a gigabit network and a Network server with a raid aray |
| 08:11.07 | Blacklilac | <--- Glexanice |
| 08:11.12 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know |
| 08:11.14 | Blacklilac | :P |
| 08:11.53 | Arrowmaster | yeah i prefer hdd storage over any kinda disc storage |
| 08:12.18 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster me too. its physically attached to my machine |
| 08:12.33 | smoke_ | is there a wowace version of tradedispenser? |
| 08:13.13 | Arrowmaster | but if i had to make a choice between bluray and hd-dvd it would be bluray since everything in the specs is supperior to hd-dvd, and it uses a hard coating to prevent scratching |
| 08:13.34 | sylvanaar | and its a great excuse to buy a ps3 |
| 08:13.36 | orionshock | even so - the bit rate is less than 20 |
| 08:13.43 | orionshock | and anything less than 30 is streamable |
| 08:13.47 | liquidzoo | Sony chose bluray, so out of the 2 it has a much better chance of succeeding |
| 08:14.21 | Arrowmaster | i thought the bitrate was 50 or so for bluray |
| 08:14.32 | Fisker- | i'm gonna kill you nymbia |
| 08:14.35 | orionshock | unfortunately from what i was told - Microsoft bought paramount and won't be using blueray at all |
| 08:14.54 | Fisker- | that's a good thing |
| 08:15.15 | orionshock | oh ffs , anything over 15mb for bitrate is Bullshit unless you have a 51' + widescreen tv |
| 08:15.15 | Blacklilac | Arrowmaster: You going to be on BL sometime sunday? I could use some lua help but it's a bit late to work on it now |
| 08:15.45 | Arrowmaster | hd-dvd has the lead on cheap players, but blu-ray has the lead on film selection, some major directors are even forcing the companys that dont use blu-ray to make blu-ray releases for their movies |
| 08:15.55 | orionshock | the method of distribution to the masses is simply not profitable |
| 08:16.03 | Arrowmaster | Blacklilac: yeah raiding |
| 08:16.22 | Blacklilac | ah k, i'll catch up with you another time then. for now, I think it's time for bed. |
| 08:16.27 | cncfanatics | only difference for me: I'll be downloading HD quality movies instead of normal quality :) |
| 08:16.37 | Arrowmaster | =D |
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| 08:16.50 | cncfanatics | seriously, why buy DRM-filled bluray or HDdvds ? |
| 08:16.53 | orionshock | if people don't buy it - what's the point in making it? -- if the players arn't cheep and easily pushed to the public then forcing distro houses to make blue ray is pointless |
| 08:17.03 | Arrowmaster | i already download 720p anime |
| 08:17.14 | cncfanatics | i'm not buying them cuz they're filling those things with DRM shitcrap |
| 08:17.18 | cncfanatics | and thus i'm not buying a single one |
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| 08:18.26 | nymbia | its nothing much more complex than what's on DVDs... yet |
| 08:18.40 | cncfanatics | there's no DRM on dvds |
| 08:18.58 | cncfanatics | but thats mainly cuz no dvd players at all support DRM stuff |
| 08:19.00 | Arrowmaster | CSS but that doesnt do shit anymore |
| 08:19.20 | cncfanatics | DRM & CSS can't rly be compared anymore can they ? =p |
| 08:19.25 | nymbia | css encryption and aacs encryption are very similar. aacs is obviously more complex due to the age difference, but it's just as weak. |
| 08:19.34 | cncfanatics | DRM seems like it'll hold more then 2 days |
| 08:19.57 | cncfanatics | maybe 3, or 4 |
| 08:20.14 | slug3 | AACS isn't weak, it hasn't been cracked, people have just got their mits on some keys extracted from players |
| 08:20.17 | Arrowmaster | aacs is a bit more advanced since they can revoke keys now and force people to update their players |
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| 08:20.52 | slug3 | CSS was using a shite custom unpeer-reviewed encryption algorithm which had several cryptographic weaknesses |
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| 08:21.34 | slug3 | making it possible to extract the key in very little time just by having the ciphertext, AACS isn't vunerable in the same way |
| 08:21.38 | cncfanatics | either way; I haven't ever not found a movie on the inet before it was released |
| 08:21.46 | Arrowmaster | i still need to get something for windows to let me skip those damn fbi warnings when watching dvds |
| 08:22.10 | slug3 | because the software players are vunerable to you just extracting the key out of RAM |
| 08:22.24 | liquidzoo | cncfanatics: I have, but that site was shut down. |
| 08:22.32 | slug3 | and once you've got it, you can rip it, encode it and shove it up on bittorrent |
| 08:22.47 | orionshock | or do a direct show rip |
| 08:22.50 | orionshock | that's always fun |
| 08:22.55 | Arrowmaster | eww |
| 08:23.18 | slug3 | I expect the next generation just won't have software players |
| 08:23.35 | Arrowmaster | i would much rather rip the already avc encoded file from the blu-ray disc than do something ugly like that |
| 08:23.49 | smoke_ | what combination of nmods do i need to match up necb? antagonist and chronometer? |
| 08:24.21 | orionshock | smoke_: to match all of necb? |
| 08:24.30 | smoke_ | yeah |
| 08:25.08 | orionshock | chronometer, antagonist, bits and pieces of bigwigs, parts of Quartz, touch of hourglass or CT2 |
| 08:25.20 | orionshock | what exactly in NECB did you want? |
| 08:25.34 | Arrowmaster | incubator too |
| 08:25.36 | orionshock | *CDT2 |
| 08:26.49 | orionshock | um.. theres also that odd part of x-perl that you could throw in there, or a very fked up configuration of pit bull (to accurately see what your group is casting) |
| 08:28.07 | orionshock | wtb skettis escort tracker |
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| 08:28.33 | Mikk | hrm? |
| 08:28.38 | Mikk | he respawns instantly |
| 08:28.43 | Mikk | but he has 3 spawn points |
| 08:30.01 | Antiarc | Things that are awesome: Taking your alt to a loot-saturated Kara group |
| 08:30.10 | Antiarc | And walking out like 10 epix richer. :D |
| 08:30.17 | Mikk | Haha lucky |
| 08:30.34 | orionshock | ya .. lucky sob |
| 08:30.44 | Antiarc | Tank hat, tank chest, DPS cloak, new mainhand, new ring, new boots, and a new neck. |
| 08:30.50 | Corgan | lol |
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| 08:31.51 | smoke_ | orionshock, i want to see the pallybubble/iceblock timers |
| 08:32.03 | smoke_ | i use quartz already |
| 08:32.17 | orionshock | antagonist then |
| 08:32.21 | smoke_ | i dont really like chronometer, but i might pick it up again cuz i need it for my water elemental timer |
| 08:33.15 | Mikk | i'd like a more configurable chronometer plx |
| 08:33.29 | Mikk | it reports some things i just don't give a flying fuck about |
| 08:34.05 | Arrowmaster | id like one that doesnt confuse 'shadow vulribility' and 'shadow vulribility' |
| 08:34.07 | smoke_ | yeah |
| 08:34.10 | smoke_ | thats why i dont like chronometer |
| 08:34.19 | smoke_ | it displays garbage i dont need to see :( |
| 08:34.28 | Arrowmaster | its too old and not well maintained |
| 08:34.40 | orionshock | works grate for me |
| 08:35.18 | Arrowmaster | its trash for warlocks, always removes dots when other warlocks dots fade |
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| 08:35.57 | orionshock | no not the best for multi target ... but then again what is? |
| 08:36.00 | Arrowmaster | somehow ive alwayed ended up with more than one dot timer showing onscreen since raiding mc |
| 08:36.12 | Fisker- | damn memory is cheap these days |
| 08:36.18 | Arrowmaster | hell in mc i had 3 banish timers |
| 08:36.20 | Fisker- | might as well buy 8GB ram when i upgrade again |
| 08:36.36 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: what os? |
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| 08:37.01 | Fisker- | i said ram not os |
| 08:37.06 | Fisker- | obviously i'll be running 64-bit |
| 08:37.10 | Fisker- | n00b |
| 08:37.17 | Arrowmaster | fine |
| 08:37.26 | orionshock | those where the days... 6hrs in raid; with some guy named puff telling you what to do |
| 08:38.04 | Arrowmaster | was 6 hours in a raid with some guy named kurtthomas telling me what to do |
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| 08:40.36 | theoddone33 | good stuff |
| 08:40.47 | theoddone33 | people that know how to play your class better than you are awesome |
| 08:41.10 | theoddone33 | (exceptions exist for when they actually do know how to play your class better than you) |
| 08:41.20 | orionshock | MC train'ed people how to play the /game/ |
| 08:41.44 | CIA-22 | 03sylvanaar * r49009 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/Editbox.lua: Prat: Fix string which was changed only in the enUS locale |
| 08:42.05 | Arrowmaster | well never really had non warlocks telling me what to do, my old guild was perty good about that |
| 08:42.13 | Arrowmaster | except the rogues |
| 08:42.21 | theoddone33 | BANISH |
| 08:42.42 | Arrowmaster | little bastards liked to all vanish then garrote and rupture at the same time |
| 08:43.06 | orionshock | ok... im missing something here about ace event... |
| 08:43.13 | orionshock | self:RegisterEvent("QUEST_COMPLETE", self:GenericCLick() ) |
| 08:43.19 | orionshock | what am i doing wrong? |
| 08:43.26 | theoddone33 | I'm too polite to tell people that they suck at their class |
| 08:43.38 | theoddone33 | yet I don't join guilds where people are held to a high standard |
| 08:43.42 | Arrowmaster | self:RegisterEvent("QUEST_COMPLETE", "GenericCLick" ) |
| 08:43.48 | sylvanaar | wrap the self:f() in function() end |
| 08:43.57 | sylvanaar | or that |
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| 08:44.59 | orionshock | trying to make addon pick up dailys and turn them in auto-magically and it's not working too well |
| 08:45.13 | sylvanaar | i want want that plays simon |
| 08:45.30 | orionshock | lol |
| 08:45.47 | orionshock | well you could always do an offset overlay, and click the points with it |
| 08:45.49 | Arrowmaster | cant click on the buttons |
| 08:45.59 | orionshock | then the addon plays the points back to you |
| 08:46.02 | sylvanaar | no, just one that remembers the stuff for me |
| 08:46.14 | Arrowmaster | ogri'lazy |
| 08:46.16 | sylvanaar | oh yeah that's work |
| 08:46.25 | orionshock | i always turn the sound up and then use 1-4 and type it out into /s |
| 08:46.45 | Arrowmaster | i dont do anything ingame anymore but raid |
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| 08:47.05 | sylvanaar | write a mod |
| 08:47.20 | Arrowmaster | i made a few minor ones |
| 08:47.33 | sylvanaar | make a lfg tool |
| 08:47.36 | Arrowmaster | no interest to polish them up to release quality though |
| 08:47.40 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.53 | orionshock | :P |
| 08:48.01 | Arrowmaster | why would i make something i wouldnt use |
| 08:48.13 | sylvanaar | because |
| 08:48.17 | Arrowmaster | i wont pug on my realm |
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| 08:49.16 | Arrowmaster | i think ive only got 1 addon up on the svn + one or two modified addons up on branches |
| 08:49.29 | Cartas | What do they do, old chap? |
| 08:49.36 | Arrowmaster | and some others locally that are completely unpublished |
| 08:50.02 | Arrowmaster | like i have a fubar plugin that displays /raidinfo |
| 08:50.09 | Arrowmaster | thats unpublished |
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| 08:51.09 | Arrowmaster | i have a resurected GoldenRun in trunk |
| 08:51.36 | Arrowmaster | a touristlibed speedfu in branches |
| 08:52.18 | Cartas | Ah, okay. Nothing I'd be interested in then, I suppose! :D |
| 08:52.39 | Cartas | I'm definately certain your addons are thousands of times better than the only think I've ever programmed in LUA though. |
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| 09:01.46 | Xinhuan | lua> log(1) |
| 09:01.47 | cladbot | Xinhuan: 0, |
| 09:01.56 | Xinhuan | lua> log(-0.1) |
| 09:01.57 | cladbot | Xinhuan: nan, |
| 09:02.47 | cncfanatics | nan in lua ? :oi |
| 09:03.16 | Arrowmaster | lua> 1/0 |
| 09:03.16 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: inf |
| 09:03.48 | Arrowmaster | lua> math.huge |
| 09:03.49 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: inf |
| 09:04.46 | Mikk | Arrowmaster: the "nan" is actually -1.#IND |
| 09:05.57 | Xinhuan | if (rating2 == -1.#IND) |
| 09:05.59 | Xinhuan | will that work? |
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| 09:06.24 | Mikk | no |
| 09:06.37 | Xinhuan | then how would i write it in code |
| 09:06.37 | Mikk | but you can precompute a notnumber and compare to it |
| 09:06.56 | Xinhuan | if (rating2 == log(0)) |
| 09:06.58 | Mikk | hm no |
| 09:06.58 | Mikk | can't even do that |
| 09:07.00 | Xinhuan | like that? |
| 09:07.05 | Mikk | i just tested, it won't compare |
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| 09:09.07 | nevcairiel | i dont think you can compare against nan |
| 09:09.16 | Mikk | well i suppose you can do tostring(rating2)=="-1.#IND" |
| 09:09.43 | Mikk | (though it'll obviously generate a bit of string garbage) |
| 09:09.54 | Arrowmaster | lua> log(0) |
| 09:09.55 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: -inf, |
| 09:10.05 | Arrowmaster | what all is NaN |
| 09:10.12 | Mikk | Not-a-Number |
| 09:10.12 | Xinhuan | well i did a /print log(0) |
| 09:10.13 | Xinhuan | in game |
| 09:10.20 | Xinhuan | and it printed -1.#INF |
| 09:10.24 | Mikk | yes |
| 09:10.36 | Xinhuan | and it printed -1.#IND for log(-0.1) |
| 09:10.38 | Mikk | that's lua's internal representation of "not a valid number" |
| 09:12.02 | Arrowmaster | lua> local NaN = log(-0.1); local temp = log(-0.1); if temp == NaN then return "temp == NaN" end |
| 09:12.02 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: |
| 09:12.15 | nevcairiel | However with NaN is not possible a comparison because IEEE 754 states that (I think to remember) any comparison with NaN gives false: |
| 09:12.16 | Mikk | ya i tested that |
| 09:12.17 | Mikk | they won't compare |
| 09:12.32 | Arrowmaster | lua> local NaN = log(-0.1); local temp = log(-0.1); if temp == NaN then return "temp == NaN" else return "temp ~= NaN" end |
| 09:12.32 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: temp ~= NaN |
| 09:12.42 | nevcairiel | "any comparison with NaN gives false:" |
| 09:12.48 | nevcairiel | give up :P |
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| 09:13.18 | Arrowmaster | lua> tostring(log(-0.1)) |
| 09:13.18 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: nan, |
| 09:13.21 | nevcairiel | you can use math.isnan |
| 09:13.22 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 09:13.32 | nevcairiel | lua> math.isnan(0/0) |
| 09:13.32 | cladbot | nevcairiel: [string "math.isnan(0/0)"]:1: attempt to call field 'isnan' (a nil value) |
| 09:13.35 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 09:13.43 | nevcairiel | prolly not in vanilla lua :P |
| 09:13.45 | Nargiddley | lua> type(log(-0.1)) |
| 09:13.45 | cladbot | Nargiddley: number, |
| 09:13.48 | Nargiddley | bah |
| 09:14.16 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 09:14.28 | nevcairiel | lua> 0/0 |
| 09:14.29 | cladbot | nevcairiel: nan |
| 09:14.34 | Arrowmaster | lua> tonumber(log(-0.1)) |
| 09:14.34 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: nan, |
| 09:14.41 | Xinhuan | appears i found something that is giving everyone something to think about ;p |
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| 09:14.56 | nevcairiel | there is no way to compare a NaN |
| 09:15.03 | nevcairiel | since its defined to always compute to false |
| 09:15.23 | Arrowmaster | lua> tonumber(tostring(tonumber(tostring(tonumber(tostring(tonumber(tostring(tonumber(0/0))))))))) |
| 09:15.23 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: nan, |
| 09:15.27 | Arrowmaster | ! |
| 09:15.34 | nevcairiel | rofl |
| 09:15.49 | nevcairiel | lua> tostring(0/0) |
| 09:15.49 | cladbot | nevcairiel: nan, |
| 09:15.54 | Arrowmaster | thats just wrong |
| 09:15.56 | nevcairiel | lua> tostring(0/0)=="nan" |
| 09:15.56 | cladbot | nevcairiel: true |
| 09:16.03 | nevcairiel | that works at last :P |
| 09:16.18 | Arrowmaster | it wont be "nan" in wow though i dont think |
| 09:16.28 | nevcairiel | figure out what it is in wow |
| 09:16.35 | nevcairiel | and problem solved |
| 09:16.36 | Xinhuan | that prints false in /print |
| 09:16.41 | Xinhuan | lolz |
| 09:16.44 | Arrowmaster | lua> tonumber(0/0)=="nan" |
| 09:16.44 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: false |
| 09:16.47 | Nargiddley | "-1.#IND" in wow |
| 09:16.47 | nevcairiel | 0/0 is nan, 1/0 is inf |
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| 09:17.39 | Arrowmaster | so try /print tostring(0/0)=="-1.#IND" |
| 09:17.45 | Xinhuan | it prints true |
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| 09:18.21 | Xinhuan | still, its a roundabout way to test, hope there's a better way |
| 09:18.30 | nevcairiel | the C api has isnan |
| 09:18.31 | Arrowmaster | lua> tonumber("nan") |
| 09:18.31 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: nan, |
| 09:18.32 | nevcairiel | and isinf |
| 09:18.35 | Arrowmaster | !!! |
| 09:18.43 | nevcairiel | lua does not forward that API tho |
| 09:19.02 | Arrowmaster | lua> tonumber(tostring(tonumber(tostring(tonumber(tostring(tonumber(tostring(tonumber("nan"))))))))) |
| 09:19.03 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: nan, |
| 09:19.07 | Arrowmaster | so wrong |
| 09:19.36 | Arrowmaster | can you tonumber("-1.#IND") in wow |
| 09:20.09 | Nargiddley | nil |
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| 09:20.18 | Arrowmaster | lua> tonumber(0/0)==tonumber(0/0) |
| 09:20.18 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: false |
| 09:20.28 | Arrowmaster | lua> tonumber(0/0)==tostring(0/0) |
| 09:20.28 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: false |
| 09:20.34 | Arrowmaster | lua> tostring(0/0)==tostring(0/0) |
| 09:20.34 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: true |
| 09:20.44 | nevcairiel | you cant compare two nan's in their number form |
| 09:20.56 | Arrowmaster | lua> tostring(tonumber(0/0))==tostring(tonumber(0/0)) |
| 09:20.56 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: true |
| 09:20.57 | Nargiddley | /print tonumber(tostring(log(-0.1))) gives nil |
| 09:21.13 | Arrowmaster | lua> tonumber(tostring(log(-0.1))) |
| 09:21.13 | cladbot | Arrowmaster: nan, |
| 09:21.26 | Arrowmaster | ~whaleslap cladbot |
| 09:21.27 | purl | ACTION beats cladbot upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 09:23.24 | Xinhuan | cladbot doesn't reply corresponding to LUA hehe ;p |
| 09:23.29 | Xinhuan | at least for these numbers |
| 09:23.34 | Mikk | lua.exe |
| 09:23.35 | Mikk | ftw |
| 09:23.48 | Mikk | or hell, clad's in-game lua addon |
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| 09:23.54 | baer_ | moin |
| 09:25.49 | Elkano | is there a way to 'reset' DewDrop so that it won't call the get functions I had supplyed when an other addon calls refresh? |
| 09:26.27 | Mikk | hm? |
| 09:26.34 | Mikk | why would you not want that to happen? |
| 09:28.02 | Elkano | well, for ebb I have get functions in the form of function() return sometable[i] end |
| 09:28.20 | cncfanatics | do we have an archive template for talk pages on wowace ? |
| 09:28.38 | Elkano | or rather sometable[id].key |
| 09:28.50 | Elkano | now when a group is removed I'll also remove that sometable[id] |
| 09:29.23 | Elkano | unfortunatly eg PitBull is calling DewDrop refresh even when there is no DewDrop visible causing tons of errors after an eBB group got removed |
| 09:30.20 | Elkano | so clearing the current AceOption table from DewDrop somehow is what I'm looking for in order to not have DewDrop trying to refresh data that is no longer there |
| 09:31.22 | Mikk | cncfanatics: copy in the wowwiki ones perhaps? |
| 09:31.34 | Xinhuan | what does refresh do in dewdrop if no dewdrop is displayed? |
| 09:31.46 | Mikk | apparently more than it should |
| 09:32.20 | Elkano | afk for 30min or so... |
| 09:32.30 | Mikk | Elkano: i'd fix dewdrop if i were you |
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| 09:35.13 | buu | Damn. |
| 09:35.23 | buu | I really want to hack, but I have to sleep. |
| 09:41.10 | CIA-22 | 03sylvanaar * r49010 10Prat/ (Prat.lua Prat_Modules/modules/AltNames.lua): Prat: Fix a debug print issue, some changes to altnames implementation of the right-click menu to bring in-line with changes in copychat |
| 09:44.30 | buu | Is there anyway to resize a frame? |
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| 09:46.59 | Xinhuan | wow the new Terran gameplay video for SC2 is pretty nice |
| 09:47.13 | buu | Xinhuan: Help! |
| 09:48.10 | buu | Xinhuan: You're my only hope. |
| 09:48.16 | Xinhuan | heh |
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| 09:49.35 | buu | Xinhuan: Is there anyway to resize a frame? |
| 09:49.43 | buu | That doesn't invole the StartSizing stuff. |
| 09:49.47 | Xinhuan | frameName:SetWidth(x) |
| 09:49.48 | buu | Like, "SetSize 2000" |
| 09:49.49 | buu | Oh. |
| 09:49.51 | Xinhuan | frameName:SetHeight(x) |
| 09:50.12 | buu | Ohhh, frame inherits from region. I see. |
| 09:50.28 | buu | Nifty. |
| 09:50.37 | buu | Very.. nifty. |
| 09:51.48 | buu | Yay, now I can sleep =] |
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| 09:59.59 | jh | hi there |
| 10:00.45 | buu | NO |
| 10:00.51 | jh | no? :( |
| 10:02.04 | jh | i am using a mac, and since some weeks the MacAceUpdater. But after the relaunch of the files page, this one wont work anymore. Is the old ace-files page still available on any url? |
| 10:02.16 | |Kev| | jh: I'm on it |
| 10:02.42 | |Kev| | mau svn parses the rss feed now instead |
| 10:02.52 | |Kev| | unfortunately, it's a bit unstable |
| 10:03.06 | |Kev| | I'll try and roll out a new version in the next few days anyway |
| 10:03.27 | jh | are you the coder of mau? |
| 10:03.28 | buu | |Kev|: Does the aceupdater let you install new mods as well? |
| 10:03.35 | |Kev| | jh: yes |
| 10:03.41 | |Kev| | buu: macaceupdater does, yes |
| 10:03.44 | jh | wow thank you - very great work! |
| 10:03.45 | buu | Excellent! |
| 10:04.09 | |Kev| | but as I say, it's currently broken since the files webpage change |
| 10:04.27 | jh | yes no problem |
| 10:04.46 | |Kev| | annoyingly, since I updated to read the rss instead, there's a crash deep within cocoa that seems to be nothing to do with mau |
| 10:04.52 | |Kev| | which makes it very difficult to debug |
| 10:05.06 | |Kev| | both I, and someone else, are working on it though |
| 10:05.14 | jh | hm does cocoa support rss parsing? |
| 10:05.19 | |Kev| | no |
| 10:05.26 | |Kev| | I'm using an rss parsing class :) |
| 10:05.39 | jh | your own? |
| 10:05.43 | |Kev| | nope |
| 10:05.46 | jh | hm |
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| 10:06.57 | jh | i never made any cocoa apps. Would be great to help you, but i think i am not good enough in coding applications |
| 10:07.12 | |Kev| | I only started learning objective-c / cocoa to code mau |
| 10:07.13 | jh | i only write webapplications - this is much easier :) |
| 10:07.22 | jh | haha nice |
| 10:07.34 | |Kev| | normally I code Python, C++, Java etc |
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| 10:08.00 | jh | i am more a designer that sometimes codes some little webapps |
| 10:08.13 | jh | are you a student? |
| 10:08.35 | |Kev| | no |
| 10:08.44 | jh | i also wrote a little java game, like spacecommander for university |
| 10:08.49 | |Kev| | I was, for a looooong time, but I haven't been for a while :) |
| 10:09.03 | jh | hehe gotcha |
| 10:09.52 | jh | so here is another question. Is there any addon that helps me cleaning up all those addonicon close to my minimap? |
| 10:10.08 | |Kev| | don't look at me, I don't even play wow anymore :) |
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| 10:10.27 | jh | huh? but you are coding the mau? |
| 10:10.45 | |Kev| | well, people complain when it stops working :) |
| 10:10.52 | jh | hehe |
| 10:10.55 | jh | like me |
| 10:10.57 | jh | :) |
| 10:11.04 | |Kev| | and I've got several friends who use it, etc, so I like to keep it at least in working order |
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| 10:12.23 | sylvanaar | any of you on the lastes prat? |
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| 10:14.16 | jh | hm many addons have there own /libs directory with ace etc. in it. Isnt that dispensable |
| 10:15.32 | orionshock | jh it's not something to worry about unless you want to make things complicated |
| 10:16.01 | jh | wont that use more ram? |
| 10:16.18 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 10:16.25 | jh | sorry my english got dusty over the years |
| 10:16.37 | jh | ok then i really wont worry about |
| 10:17.43 | jh | i really need a vacation to anglophone country :) |
| 10:18.28 | jh | so do anybody know an addon that hides all the minimapbuttons? maybe under one button, or something like that |
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| 10:19.24 | charon | jh: you can stuff them in a FuBar, try that |
| 10:20.06 | jh | yes but only the ace addons |
| 10:20.11 | charon | true |
| 10:20.20 | jh | hm but i can try to kick all nonace addons |
| 10:20.22 | charon | uninstall the rest </evil> |
| 10:20.34 | orionshock | lol charon |
| 10:20.43 | jh | haha yes good idea |
| 10:21.09 | jh | but my guild uses guild event manager, is there any other guildmanager from ace? |
| 10:21.14 | charon | erm |
| 10:21.17 | charon | i had exactly that problem |
| 10:21.21 | orionshock | GEM actualy is ace |
| 10:21.21 | charon | however here's what you do |
| 10:21.30 | jh | huh? really? |
| 10:21.45 | charon | go to the keybindings menu and map a key of your choice to GEM |
| 10:22.02 | charon | then go to the GEM options and change the minimap button options such that it is off-screen |
| 10:22.08 | charon | voila, one less minimap button |
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| 10:22.21 | jh | hehe ok |
| 10:22.32 | jh | http://files.wowace.com/cat-guild.html - no gem in there |
| 10:22.51 | nevcairiel | i think its not hosted on wowace |
| 10:23.00 | orionshock | ya not hosted here but v2 is ace'ed |
| 10:23.44 | jh | ah but there is combine |
| 10:24.02 | nevcairiel | i dont think combine was ever finished |
| 10:24.10 | jh | ok |
| 10:24.21 | charon | orionshock: but how come there are no embedded libs or some other sign of stealthily ace'd mods :S |
| 10:24.59 | orionshock | one sec |
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| 10:26.18 | orionshock | one of the gem's floating around was ace based .. i personally never used that addon |
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| 10:31.03 | charon | no worries, i could care less... until i figured out the off-screen thing, it just pissed me off that GEM thinks it's oh so important that it clearly deserves a minimap button that cannot be disabled/hidden |
| 10:31.13 | charon | (minimap buttons don't fit in my UI at all) |
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| 10:31.37 | jh | sign |
| 10:31.45 | Elkano | GEM? |
| 10:32.16 | Elkano | ah :) |
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| 10:34.38 | charon | grr, forums.wow-europe.com won't let me log in |
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| 10:36.01 | orionshock | us player? |
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| 10:39.22 | jh | damnit i hate blizzard - those retards banned my horde-account for unknown reason - not answering my mails and i also didnt even got a mail that explains why they did it |
| 10:39.32 | orionshock | lol |
| 10:39.38 | jh | the password was changed one morning |
| 10:39.42 | |Kev| | jh / buu: I've just fixed SVN |
| 10:39.51 | jh | wow |
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| 10:40.00 | jh | can we download the newest version? |
| 10:40.09 | |Kev| | I'll see if I can run off a build that works on both PPC and Intel, and if I can, I'll update the appcast so it autoupdates |
| 10:40.29 | jh | oh ok |
| 10:40.46 | |Kev| | since I don't know why I couldn't run 0.4 on a PPC (despite being universal), I don't know if 0.5 will work any better |
| 10:40.49 | |Kev| | are you on intel or ppc? |
| 10:42.18 | charon | doh, so much for that. wow login works but forum doesn't |
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| 10:44.22 | jh | intel |
| 10:44.27 | CIA-22 | 03charon * r49011 10Mangler/ (Mangler.lua localization_enUS.lua): Mangler: add option to filter for group/raid only |
| 10:44.48 | |Kev| | I'll have a new build for you to try uploaded in just a moment |
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| 10:45.11 | orionshock | urg.... |
| 10:45.21 | jh | on http://code.google.com/p/macaceupdater/ ? |
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| 10:46.13 | |Kev| | jh: on, I only upload releases there :) |
| 10:46.19 | |Kev| | s/on/no/ |
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| 10:47.08 | jh | hehe thank you purl :) |
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| 10:47.46 | |Kev| | oh, hehe, minor bug |
| 10:48.01 | |Kev| | it thinks the local versions are rX, while the rss gives them as X |
| 10:48.37 | |Kev| | want to check http://kismith.co.uk/files/mau/tmp/MacAceUpdater-0.5-devel_20070916.dmg subject to that proviso? |
| 10:48.57 | |Kev| | so it won't know which addons to autoupdate, but it'll update the ones you tell it to |
| 10:49.03 | |Kev| | I'll try and fix that now :) |
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| 10:55.54 | jh | re |
| 10:55.56 | |Kev| | jh / buu: http://kismith.co.uk/files/mau/tmp/MacAceUpdater-0.5-devel_20070916b.dmg should work now |
| 10:56.04 | jh | oh well done. i will try it |
| 11:03.18 | jh | ok the auto update also works |
| 11:09.01 | jh | |Kev|: works faster then the last one |
| 11:11.20 | jh | what minimapaddon do you prefer? |
| 11:13.28 | Cheads | squeenix =) |
| 11:13.32 | |Kev| | it should be faster parsing the rss than the html |
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| 11:19.33 | Ohnos | Anyone know of a script command that can open a vendor window? I know there is a CloseMerchant() |
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| 11:21.00 | Fisker- | you open it by rightclicking the vendor |
| 11:21.10 | Ohnos | yea |
| 11:21.16 | Ohnos | but what if i wanted to make it a button |
| 11:21.35 | Fisker- | then that would be a shame for you :I |
| 11:21.41 | Ohnos | Hm |
| 11:22.00 | nevcairiel | does anyone here know the apache mod_rewrite syntax by heart ? :p |
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| 11:23.51 | Fisker- | i want my money nevcairiel |
| 11:25.57 | simple | i need some buff and cc timers - which one do you prefer? |
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| 11:32.26 | simple | hm, is there any scrolling combat text like addon, from ace? |
| 11:32.38 | simple | ah it is ace :/ |
| 11:33.03 | charon | a) chronometer, but there's also classtimers and quartz |
| 11:33.11 | charon | b) if you want more configurability try parrot, also ace |
| 11:35.58 | jh | thanks |
| 11:36.11 | jh | which one do you like? |
| 11:39.25 | haste | the question isn't really what he/she likes, it's what you'll like |
| 11:39.32 | haste | so try them :p ? |
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| 11:40.56 | jh | hm screenshots on the acepages would be great :) |
| 11:43.54 | Nickenyfiken_ | jh: check wiki |
| 11:44.16 | Nickenyfiken_ | It should have wiki links |
| 11:45.15 | Fisker- | bah |
| 11:45.22 | Fisker- | i always forget the link to wowjutsu.com |
| 11:45.30 | Fisker- | i keep mistaking it for "jewjutsu" |
| 11:46.25 | Nickenyfiken_ | hehe |
| 11:49.08 | Mikk | jiu |
| 11:49.15 | Mikk | not jew |
| 11:49.16 | Fisker- | no Mikk |
| 11:49.17 | Fisker- | Jew |
| 11:49.51 | cryogen | damn you dont realise quite how awesome pitbull is until youve been without it and then install it again |
| 11:50.28 | cncfanatics | cryogen, thats true for a LOT LOT LOT of mods |
| 11:50.59 | Fisker- | http://metalwrath.net/files/jewjitsu.jpg |
| 11:51.08 | charon | i hate the grid/pitbull bug though :( |
| 11:51.29 | Fisker- | aww? |
| 11:51.30 | Fisker- | what bug? |
| 11:51.32 | charon | whenever i've been in a raid (so no pitbull party frames), i have to /rl to see the party again |
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| 11:52.41 | charon | for some weird reason it doesn't happen with BG "raids" though |
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| 11:54.37 | lolinternet | oh hi there charon |
| 11:54.43 | lolinternet | i didn't have time to debug yesterday |
| 11:54.56 | sag_ich_nicht | so i guess i'll try it now |
| 11:55.23 | charon | ah, hi sag_ich_nicht ... you had me confused there for a second :) |
| 11:55.39 | charon | Antiarc gave permission to commit that DumpTranslationTable() fix |
| 11:55.52 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah i saw it |
| 11:56.11 | charon | so /run AceLibrary("Threat-1.0"):DumpTranslationTable() |
| 11:56.14 | sag_ich_nicht | just hold a second while i install fraps |
| 11:56.32 | charon | ... whenever you think it might be a translation problem |
| 11:56.37 | charon | ok |
| 11:57.28 | Fisker- | ~mikk |
| 11:57.28 | purl | from memory, mikk is NOT the guy that wrote MSBT. He likes fiddling with central libraries. He will happily accept orders for WoW related graphics to keep him occupied. |
| 11:57.38 | Fisker- | Mikk = mikma |
| 11:57.40 | Fisker- | hoho |
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| 11:59.35 | sag_ich_nicht | god |
| 11:59.40 | sag_ich_nicht | why does AVG have to break every so often |
| 11:59.41 | sag_ich_nicht | -.- |
| 12:00.17 | CIA-22 | 03fin * r49013 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/Editbox.lua: Prat: Prat_Modules/modules/Editbox.lua: added deDE translations provided by Flup in the forums |
| 12:00.28 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 12:00.30 | sag_ich_nicht | it wants me to reboot |
| 12:00.33 | sag_ich_nicht | to uninstall |
| 12:00.36 | sag_ich_nicht | -.- |
| 12:01.36 | Ominous | sag_ich_nicht: thats not unusual in antivius software |
| 12:02.10 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 12:02.38 | Fisker- | only n00bs uses antivirus software |
| 12:04.16 | Neebler | get kaspersky off of oink! |
| 12:04.40 | jh | do you know a coords addon from ace? |
| 12:04.51 | haste | nod32 is superior! |
| 12:05.11 | sag_ich_nicht | haste yeah right and i'll steal software |
| 12:05.12 | sag_ich_nicht | sure. |
| 12:05.15 | sag_ich_nicht | -.- |
| 12:05.23 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 12:05.32 | haste | nod32 doesn't cost much |
| 12:05.35 | sag_ich_nicht | Neebler kaspersky is a fucking resource hog the size of a house. |
| 12:05.43 | haste | I have a licence for all the windows computers here :) |
| 12:05.52 | jh | www.apple.com/getamac :D |
| 12:05.56 | sag_ich_nicht | die. |
| 12:06.08 | sag_ich_nicht | Offenderserv is running Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600) on an AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+ at 2.60 GHz with 1148/2048MB (56.05%) RAM free. |
| 12:06.09 | sag_ich_nicht | It has an NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX running at 1680x1050x32bpp 60Hz, SB Live! 24-bit, and 679.21 GB of 1294.81 GB available on 2 drive(s). |
| 12:06.13 | sag_ich_nicht | you will never make me use a mac. |
| 12:06.21 | haste | and I never said anything about fetching it from some illegal site :) |
| 12:06.27 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 12:06.32 | sag_ich_nicht | i'd have no other option |
| 12:06.36 | sag_ich_nicht | considering I HAVE NO MONEY |
| 12:06.59 | haste | then wait and buy later :p ? |
| 12:07.03 | charon | (which, judging from that hardware description, should be clear by now... you can't possibly have any _left_) |
| 12:07.20 | sag_ich_nicht | no bought that in spring |
| 12:07.23 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 12:07.55 | charon | use linux. i'd play on linux if the ati drivers didn't suck. you use nvidia so you're fine |
| 12:08.13 | sag_ich_nicht | too lazy + i like pretty graphics. |
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| 12:08.21 | haste | pretty graphics? |
| 12:08.29 | charon | there are plenty of pretty graphics on linux. |
| 12:08.34 | charon | :P |
| 12:08.35 | haste | compiz-fusion :p ? |
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| 12:09.01 | sag_ich_nicht | not in D3D games :P |
| 12:09.14 | haste | 0.9.45 of wine fixed a lot of issues with d3d games |
| 12:09.24 | sag_ich_nicht | forcing up all settings on a driver level will still make it slow down to a halt :P |
| 12:09.25 | charon | my roommate runs WoW on linux on a nvidia card and it definitely looks good |
| 12:10.07 | ag` | It's going to be great fun when they do dx10 in wine, then they could port wine to Windows XP for dx10 |
| 12:11.16 | jh | pretty graphics on windows? |
| 12:11.25 | jh | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.46 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 12:11.47 | sag_ich_nicht | jh |
| 12:12.09 | sag_ich_nicht | OpenGL WoW looks terrible, and D3D WoW won't run on a Mac, and won't run with max details on wine |
| 12:12.12 | sag_ich_nicht | so there you have it |
| 12:12.13 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 12:12.25 | haste | that's mac |
| 12:12.36 | haste | and opengl wow looks like direct3d wow |
| 12:12.41 | sag_ich_nicht | no, doesn't. |
| 12:13.02 | jh | my wow screenshots look much better then the windows ones |
| 12:13.16 | sag_ich_nicht | guess you haven't seen mine then. |
| 12:14.03 | jh | but blizz made a universal binary for mac |
| 12:14.17 | jh | is there no coords addon for ace? |
| 12:14.23 | sag_ich_nicht | jh... |
| 12:14.32 | sag_ich_nicht | cartographer |
| 12:14.34 | sag_ich_nicht | -_- |
| 12:14.36 | charon | jh: cartographer and simpleminimap have coords |
| 12:14.56 | sag_ich_nicht | http://loliserv.org/~afora/WoWScrnShot_080907_173633.png there. this shows 2 things: 1. WoW fails at trees(same on OpenGL) and 2. my graphic card is awesome :X |
| 12:17.38 | sylvanaar | ok, i need a simon mon |
| 12:17.40 | sylvanaar | mod |
| 12:17.54 | phyber | f/g 37 |
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| 12:20.03 | sylvanaar | here we go - simon helper |
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| 12:22.48 | Fisker- | did you learn2opengl btw sag_ich_nicht? |
| 12:23.09 | vhaarr | sag_ich_nicht: WoW looks just fine here, and I get more FPS in Linux than in Windows. |
| 12:26.38 | Fisker- | i heard that vhaarr is a super 1337 guy |
| 12:26.44 | ag` | vhaarr: do you use opengl or dx |
| 12:27.03 | jh | i have between 30-50 fps on my mac |
| 12:31.24 | vhaarr | ag`: opengl |
| 12:33.39 | sylvanaar | d |
| 12:33.50 | sylvanaar | simon helper <3 |
| 12:34.30 | Fisker- | you mean a chatwindow and pressing 4 buttons? |
| 12:35.04 | Vangual | like ogrilazy? for the ogrila dailies? |
| 12:36.35 | CIA-22 | 03sayclub * r49014 10OnScreenHealth/Locale-koKR.lua: |
| 12:36.35 | CIA-22 | OnScreenHealth: |
| 12:36.35 | CIA-22 | - Updated localization koKR |
| 12:37.32 | Fisker- | <3 people buying stuff up to sell it for a bigger price |
| 12:37.46 | Fisker- | there's like one guy with several hundred greater planar essences on the auction house |
| 12:37.55 | Fisker- | but it doesn't look like he gets anything sold |
| 12:38.13 | Fisker- | but he buys my stuff so others don't buy at a cheaper price :P |
| 12:38.59 | Wogroipl | he will sell them in the end tho, if he keeps doing that |
| 12:39.06 | Codayus | ogri'lazy is the win |
| 12:39.45 | jh | ok only 2 non-ace addons any more |
| 12:39.46 | jh | yay |
| 12:39.53 | jh | sw-stats and gem |
| 12:40.09 | Diao | either that or he'll run out of money to keep buying |
| 12:40.14 | Fisker- | perhaps Wogroipl but it increases my chance on selling my stuff a lot |
| 12:40.16 | Diao | and get screwed by undercutters |
| 12:40.28 | Diao | i want to delete sw-stats |
| 12:40.33 | Diao | but swlog is amazing for finding out wtf killed you |
| 12:40.38 | Fisker- | i usually get my own greater planar essences for ~1g each |
| 12:40.44 | jh | yes |
| 12:40.44 | Fisker- | i sell them for 5 or 6g each |
| 12:40.45 | Diao | o_o |
| 12:40.55 | jh | and i need swstats for raiding |
| 12:40.56 | Wogroipl | indeed Fisker-, if you're happy with the price he pays for them :) |
| 12:40.57 | Diao | only 4.5g on our server :( |
| 12:41.00 | Codayus | Recount does everything I used to need SWStats for and more... |
| 12:41.04 | Codayus | *shrug* |
| 12:41.07 | Diao | recount doesn't do what swlog does :( |
| 12:41.13 | Diao | swlog is amazing |
| 12:41.33 | Codayus | It does enough for me... |
| 12:41.41 | jh | is there any SWStats like addon from ace? |
| 12:41.48 | Diao | well recount does almost everything i need which is why i want to delete sws |
| 12:41.51 | Codayus | I used it a couple days ago to get a list of how one of our apped priests had died. |
| 12:42.02 | Diao | swl has millisecond precision for stuff |
| 12:42.08 | Diao | and log searching though |
| 12:42.18 | Diao | so i can see exactly what happened to who |
| 12:42.21 | Codayus | It showed combat log excerts and everything. Nifty. That's all I used SWlog for. |
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| 12:42.49 | Codayus | But yeah, it's not a feature complete replacement. But it *does* do what I need. :-) |
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| 12:43.00 | Diao | 1 problem with recount for me is |
| 12:43.04 | Diao | it eats memory like crazy |
| 12:43.07 | Diao | if i don't keep resetting it |
| 12:43.19 | Diao | my mem shoots up like 30mb if i don't clear it after a raid |
| 12:43.57 | Codayus | True enough, altough it's improved a lot recently, and has good auto-clear options these days. (And SWS is no gazelle either, although it's not as bad...) |
| 12:44.31 | Diao | yeah |
| 12:44.50 | Diao | i would like an option like sws to have resets for each fight vs nuking all data too |
| 12:45.24 | Codayus | Current Recount has pretty good timeline/segment support... |
| 12:46.17 | Diao | hmm |
| 12:46.21 | Diao | i haven't used it extensively enough |
| 12:46.35 | Diao | i keep turning it off during raids cause it raped my mem usage in combat lol |
| 12:46.37 | Codayus | (Or good enough for me, I don't use the feature much; I mostly just care about "last fight" so I can work out who screwed up. :-) ) |
| 12:47.06 | Codayus | Spamming the CC breaker report to raid can be a great teaching to for trash pulls. |
| 12:47.15 | Codayus | er, tool |
| 12:48.20 | Codayus | "Ah, yes, Z...broke sheep...3 times. With shadowbolt. I...see. Some supressed childhood trauma regarding farm animals you want to share with us? No?" |
| 12:48.24 | |Kev| | there, finally, a competent release of MAU |
| 12:48.55 | |Kev| | it doesn't scrape html anymore, it reads the rss, and it doesn't rely on changelogs, it saves the version itself (although it'll still try and use changelogs for manually installed addons) |
| 12:56.11 | Fisker- | can it be oh hi tiem now? |
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| 12:59.35 | alcohol | |Kev|: cheers, I'll try it out right now |
| 12:59.48 | |Kev| | alcohol: with a bit of luck, it'll self-update :) |
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| 13:03.23 | alcohol | a lot of versions have xxxx.xx format now |
| 13:03.25 | alcohol | ? |
| 13:04.21 | alcohol | Like, I have decursive version 47856. mau says the latest is 47856.13 |
| 13:04.27 | alcohol | where does it get the .13 from ? |
| 13:04.34 | |Kev| | right, in the past I ignored that |
| 13:04.36 | |Kev| | now I don't |
| 13:04.38 | sb | Diao: whats the problem with memory usage? |
| 13:04.39 | Fisker- | because the libraries have been updated i believe |
| 13:04.53 | alcohol | it doesn't show those .xx on files.wowace.com |
| 13:04.54 | |Kev| | it happens when the addon isn't updated, but the dependencies are |
| 13:04.55 | alcohol | o.O |
| 13:04.59 | alcohol | I see. |
| 13:05.02 | cncfanatics | .1 .2 .3 .4 ... are the same except for externals |
| 13:05.15 | cncfanatics | usualy doesnt matter, u shld be running no-ext if ur using WAU |
| 13:05.54 | alcohol | I dont use wau |
| 13:05.56 | alcohol | I use mau |
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| 13:06.16 | cncfanatics | mac updater, ah, dunno then |
| 13:06.18 | alcohol | I dont think that has no-ext options or anything |
| 13:06.24 | |Kev| | alcohol: not yet, no |
| 13:06.55 | CIA-22 | 03adirelle * r49015 10CastYeller/ (CastYeller.lua announces/hunter.lua announces/warlock.lua): |
| 13:06.55 | CIA-22 | CastYeller: |
| 13:06.55 | CIA-22 | - minor frFR funny announce change, |
| 13:06.55 | CIA-22 | - minor warlock annouce fixes. |
| 13:07.07 | alcohol | when I make it select all outdated plugins, the checked count in the bottom doesnt update |
| 13:07.12 | alcohol | dunno if you were aware of that or not |
| 13:07.22 | |Kev| | alcohol: it never has done, I added the label and then didn't use it :$ |
| 13:07.23 | alcohol | or 'marked' count rather |
| 13:07.26 | alcohol | lol |
| 13:08.38 | |Kev| | I'll have a look at that in a moment |
| 13:08.48 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: oh hi |
| 13:08.58 | |Kev| | maybe there'll be a 0.5.1 by the end of the day; we'll see :) |
| 13:09.03 | alcohol | |Kev|: what did you write this in ? |
| 13:09.12 | |Kev| | objective-c |
| 13:09.18 | alcohol | hrm |
| 13:09.21 | alcohol | is it hard to pick up ? |
| 13:09.33 | |Kev| | I managed to write mau initially in three evenings |
| 13:09.35 | |Kev| | from cold |
| 13:09.46 | |Kev| | it's a cross between C and Smalltalk |
| 13:09.47 | alcohol | is the source available ? |
| 13:09.52 | |Kev| | of course |
| 13:09.58 | cncfanatics | booo, give some c source code that compiles on all platforms tb |
| 13:10.00 | cncfanatics | tbh* :p |
| 13:10.01 | alcohol | I'll have a look at it later |
| 13:10.04 | cncfanatics | can't get any decent updater for linux |
| 13:10.15 | alcohol | see if I deem myself able to help out or not ^^ |
| 13:10.25 | |Kev| | cncfanatics: the only reason I did it for mac only and not all platforms was that I didn't want to be seen to be competing with wau |
| 13:10.38 | cncfanatics | is wau all platforms ? |
| 13:10.38 | |Kev| | otherwise I'd have done it in Qt/C++, which I'm far more proficient in |
| 13:10.43 | cncfanatics | wau2 crashes on linux ... |
| 13:10.57 | |Kev| | no, but I didn't want to release for windows :) |
| 13:11.02 | cncfanatics | then don't compile it for win :p |
| 13:11.25 | cncfanatics | and tbh, if urs is better I can't see why you wouldn't want to release it for win too :) |
| 13:11.25 | |Kev| | heh |
| 13:11.34 | |Kev| | mine's not better :) |
| 13:11.41 | |Kev| | I mean, it's much prettier on a mac, of course, because it's native |
| 13:11.45 | cncfanatics | then people wouldn't use it over WAU anyway ? |
| 13:11.47 | |Kev| | but it's far from feature-complete |
| 13:12.03 | cncfanatics | tbh, I'd love a c++/qt based updater, at least i'd work everywhere |
| 13:12.08 | cncfanatics | or gtk, as i'm gnome :) |
| 13:12.21 | |Kev| | I'm a Qt dev, so gtk'd be a no-go ;) |
| 13:12.39 | cncfanatics | :o |
| 13:12.44 | cncfanatics | <3 gnome :) |
| 13:12.48 | |Kev| | yes, me too |
| 13:12.51 | cncfanatics | its small, fast & pretty |
| 13:12.53 | |Kev| | I don't use KDE |
| 13:12.59 | |Kev| | I just don't like coding GTK :) |
| 13:13.02 | cncfanatics | :o |
| 13:13.03 | cncfanatics | I see |
| 13:13.06 | |Kev| | and I do like coding Qt :) |
| 13:13.52 | CIA-22 | 03fin * r49016 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/Editbox.lua: Prat: Prat_Modules/modules/Editbox.lua: added frFR translations as supplied by antarus in the forums. |
| 13:14.33 | cncfanatics | my c++ is very poor so heh |
| 13:14.34 | cncfanatics | can't :) |
| 13:14.52 | charon | s/my// *cough* |
| 13:14.59 | |Kev| | I could very easily write up a reasonably feature-complete C++ updater in a weekend |
| 13:15.00 | Elkano | hmm, is there a module for Prat to prefix your texts in eg guild chat? |
| 13:15.08 | |Kev| | charon: no argument here, I don't much like C++ |
| 13:15.34 | |Kev| | but I have promised myself not to take on any more free projects, since I spend so much of my freetime on the ones I run/contribute to already |
| 13:15.43 | cncfanatics | with my I ment my c++ knowledge ;) |
| 13:16.05 | cncfanatics | |Kev| u could consider it a recode of mau ? (a) |
| 13:16.16 | |Kev| | I could |
| 13:16.19 | |Kev| | but mau works already |
| 13:16.23 | |Kev| | and I don't even play wow :) |
| 13:16.52 | cncfanatics | heh :o |
| 13:17.02 | cncfanatics | considered quiting myself, but ended up rerolling a rogue |
| 13:17.08 | cncfanatics | he's lvl 13 now \o/ |
| 13:17.11 | |Kev| | I haven't quit |
| 13:17.14 | |Kev| | that never works |
| 13:17.17 | |Kev| | I just fizzled out :) |
| 13:19.28 | cncfanatics | same here |
| 13:19.31 | cncfanatics | I play when I feel like it |
| 13:19.37 | cncfanatics | booo, I hope this patch is gonna work |
| 13:19.45 | cncfanatics | applying patch for wine .44 on wine .45 |
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| 13:21.33 | charon | duh... me and a couple of friends took lecture notes with LaTeX, made them available online etc, and there's this huge banner "you know we're humans too so please report any errors you find". now i'm working through one set of notes that has the most obvious mistakes imaginable yet i've got _no_ feedback at all. very encouraging. |
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| 13:22.27 | cncfanatics | :o |
| 13:22.30 | cncfanatics | np :p |
| 13:22.44 | |Kev| | charon: most people are lazy |
| 13:22.55 | |Kev| | it's not malicious, it's just a lack of incentive :) |
| 13:22.59 | cncfanatics | well, whenever I find bugs I always report thelm |
| 13:23.03 | |Kev| | I'm one of the lazy people :) |
| 13:23.07 | |Kev| | I don't |
| 13:23.13 | |Kev| | I usually make some sort of effort |
| 13:23.18 | cncfanatics | meh, compiling wine, this is gonna take a while, and i'm not even sure it'll work damnit |
| 13:23.19 | |Kev| | but when it takes too much effort to report, I don't |
| 13:23.28 | cncfanatics | usualy reporting is simple |
| 13:23.52 | cncfanatics | but when they're bugging me to create an acc, verify my email & shit just to help THEM then they can sod off |
| 13:24.08 | |Kev| | ah, well |
| 13:24.11 | |Kev| | it's not to help /them/ |
| 13:24.22 | |Kev| | :) |
| 13:24.33 | cncfanatics | depends what kind of bug it is |
| 13:24.43 | alcohol | |Kev|: worked splendid ^^ |
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| 13:24.51 | cncfanatics | if i'm reporting a security hole in their damn website its to help them :) |
| 13:25.06 | |Kev| | well, I don't exactly make a profit on my Psi work; I'm grateful to people reporting bugs, but it doesn't bring me particular benefit :) |
| 13:25.15 | |Kev| | but yes, in that case it is ;) |
| 13:25.37 | alcohol | the whole no-ext idea is that all neccesary libs are moved as main addons to the /addons/ folder right ? so then when a lib updates, you don't have to redownload all mods using it. |
| 13:25.44 | alcohol | is that correct or ? |
| 13:25.45 | cncfanatics | yea |
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| 13:25.53 | alcohol | ah ok |
| 13:25.53 | cncfanatics | its also to spare memory of loading libs 30 times |
| 13:25.56 | alcohol | I get it then |
| 13:25.56 | |Kev| | alcohol: yeah |
| 13:26.14 | |Kev| | what exactly happens in wau if you do no-ext? |
| 13:26.35 | |Kev| | does it determine the dependencies somehow? or just move the depended folder out into the main addons dir so it knows to update later? |
| 13:26.50 | alcohol | I thought there were special no-ext source downloads |
| 13:26.58 | cncfanatics | nah, wau relies on some special files to figure depencies if I remember well |
| 13:27.10 | cncfanatics | or no wait, I think it reads embeds.xml |
| 13:27.23 | cncfanatics | pretty easy to figure it from them |
| 13:27.33 | charon | does that mean i have to write up an embeds.xml? :-| |
| 13:27.37 | charon | must have missed that part of the tutorials |
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| 13:27.42 | cncfanatics | not really |
| 13:27.53 | cncfanatics | and i'm not sure either |
| 13:28.24 | cncfanatics | bleh, stupid compilation of wine, can't play |
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| 13:28.59 | Fisker- | lol Punkie` you suck |
| 13:29.00 | |Kev| | so if I wanted to do no-exts, I'd have to start doing recursive downloads? |
| 13:29.08 | |Kev| | that sounds like more work, but I'll have a look at it sometime :) |
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| 13:29.31 | cncfanatics | |Kev| c++ & Qt ! |
| 13:29.53 | |Kev| | heh |
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| 13:30.13 | |Kev| | maybe I'll have a look at it sometime |
| 13:30.22 | |Kev| | and see if I can make MAU just a frontend to QtAU |
| 13:31.03 | |Kev| | but since wau2 is cross-platform now, I'm not sure it's worth the effort, apart from academic interest |
| 13:31.05 | cncfanatics | I'd love a Qt based updater, would help if I could, but, I can only read c++, not write it :( |
| 13:31.10 | cncfanatics | wau2 does NOT work on linux |
| 13:31.14 | cncfanatics | it crashes |
| 13:31.15 | cncfanatics | dunno for mac |
| 13:31.24 | alcohol | |Kev|: wau2 doesn't work for me.. |
| 13:31.30 | alcohol | it does nothing |
| 13:31.33 | alcohol | :< |
| 13:31.34 | cncfanatics | seems its the same for mac then :) |
| 13:32.26 | alcohol | it downloads WowAceUpdater2.jnlp |
| 13:32.47 | alcohol | when I start it |
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| 13:33.00 | alcohol | java keeps starting and exiting |
| 13:33.05 | alcohol | and I have no idea wtf its doing |
| 13:33.06 | alcohol | :< |
| 13:33.18 | alcohol | and then it just stops doing anything |
| 13:33.55 | |Kev| | lucky you have MAU then :) |
| 13:34.03 | cncfanatics | and I got nothing xD |
| 13:34.03 | alcohol | aye :> |
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| 13:35.42 | |Kev| | never trust a man who runs Linux :) |
| 13:35.49 | cncfanatics | :p |
| 13:35.58 | cncfanatics | shell scripts work fine, but a bit irritating |
| 13:36.21 | cncfanatics | list folders, check if files.wowace.com/FolderName/FolderName.zip exists, if it does, dl & extract |
| 13:36.37 | |Kev| | that sounds a bit redundant |
| 13:36.42 | |Kev| | no version checking? |
| 13:36.50 | cncfanatics | how would I do version checking in a shell script ? :o |
| 13:37.05 | |Kev| | shell scripts are programming languages too :) |
| 13:37.17 | alcohol | cncfanatics: with regex ? |
| 13:37.34 | cncfanatics | mooo, pain :) |
| 13:37.46 | |Kev| | that's how mau does it :) |
| 13:37.56 | cncfanatics | well, its a basic shell script I put up in 2 mins |
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| 13:41.52 | Lukian | mau? |
| 13:42.18 | Lukian | ah for macs |
| 13:42.45 | cncfanatics | | Kev| mind giving me a code sample on how to do that then ? |
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| 13:43.09 | |Kev| | cncfanatics: well, if I end up writing it in bash, I may as well write it in C++, no? :) |
| 13:43.58 | cncfanatics | xD |
| 13:44.08 | cncfanatics | I mean, show me ur matching code in obj C ? |
| 13:44.34 | |Kev| | that's in the SVN repo |
| 13:44.36 | |Kev| | 2s |
| 13:44.45 | |Kev| | http://code.google.com/p/macaceupdater/source |
| 13:44.58 | cncfanatics | sec |
| 13:45.01 | cncfanatics | first fixing my script |
| 13:47.01 | xyu | Anyone know the SET command for increasing the max nexttarget distance? |
| 13:51.29 | alcohol | threat meters such as omen are useless if nobody else in your party has it, or do they still function ? |
| 13:51.55 | Chompers | correct |
| 13:52.02 | alcohol | on which part ? |
| 13:52.09 | alcohol | useless or still function ? |
| 13:52.18 | charon | they're useless, threat is always relative |
| 13:53.32 | charon | also, threat from KTM is useless after the first mob, and threat from omen is useless if you taunt off a KTM user after the first mob (i think) |
| 13:55.39 | charon | bottom line, have the mafia convince everyone to install/use omen |
| 13:56.13 | Wobin_ | Use Omen. Or I'll shatter both your knees. |
| 13:56.47 | Wobin_ | Bit too blunt, maybe? |
| 13:56.56 | CIA-22 | 03cwdg * r49017 10Omen/localization_zhCN.lua: Omen: update zhCN local |
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| 13:57.21 | charon | purl, wobin is the local mafioso |
| 13:57.22 | purl | charon: okay |
| 13:57.25 | charon | ~wobin |
| 13:57.25 | purl | hmm... wobin is the local mafioso |
| 13:57.28 | charon | there. |
| 13:57.47 | Wobin_ | ^^ |
| 13:57.49 | cncfanatics | |Kev| about where is ur version check code ? |
| 13:57.52 | Recluse | what's the lua syntax for "if someVar is a table"? |
| 13:58.02 | |Kev| | plugin.m, cncfanatics |
| 13:58.20 | charon | Recluse: type(someVar) == "table" or some such |
| 13:58.26 | Wobin_ | aye |
| 13:58.40 | Recluse | ^.^ tyvm |
| 13:58.47 | cncfanatics | mooo, cba with version checking in a shell script tbh |
| 13:58.50 | cncfanatics | my basic one will have to do |
| 13:58.57 | Wobin_ | night all |
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| 14:03.06 | cryogen | can pitbull show text timers on auras? |
| 14:03.38 | alcohol | meh, drdamage isn't updating as swiftly as it used to |
| 14:03.48 | alcohol | when i switch from healing bar to feral form, it shows my healing values over the feral attacks up until my first attack |
| 14:03.48 | alcohol | :< |
| 14:04.30 | |Kev| | cncfanatics: you clearly need to find a C++ coder and offer them vast amounts of money to code one for you ;) |
| 14:04.35 | alcohol | it's as if it's always one step behind |
| 14:04.45 | Hjalte | cryogen, yeah |
| 14:04.49 | cncfanatics | lol |Kev| my shell script will keep wasting bandwith then :) |
| 14:04.52 | cncfanatics | its simple enough :p |
| 14:05.36 | cncfanatics | http://cnc.pastey.net/73907 ftw :) |
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| 14:06.06 | cryogen | Hjalte: how? |
| 14:06.21 | haste | cncfanatics: gogo wxLua project! |
| 14:06.28 | cncfanatics | haste ? :o |
| 14:06.46 | Hjalte | go to the general pitbull options, by clicking on the pitbull icon on fubar for example, and then enter global settings, aura |
| 14:06.50 | charon | cncfanatics: the .zip's have a changelog-rNNNNN.txt, should be easy enough to extract the version from that? |
| 14:06.54 | haste | cncfanatics: cross-platform updater writtein with lua :p |
| 14:07.03 | cncfanatics | haste, where ? |
| 14:07.30 | haste | doesn't exist, but you could start a project for it! |
| 14:07.33 | |Kev| | cncfanatics: heh, that certainly would work :) |
| 14:08.02 | cryogen | Hjalte: ahha, thanks |
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| 14:08.16 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, haste, thats actualy not a bad idea |
| 14:08.24 | cncfanatics | what would the API in regular lua be to download a file ? |
| 14:08.43 | haste | you would have to use LuaSocket, or implent your own |
| 14:09.32 | cncfanatics | again, cba :) |
| 14:09.41 | cncfanatics | this code took me 5 mins to write and servers me well enough :p |
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| 14:09.51 | cncfanatics | serves* |
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| 14:15.59 | sylvanaar | |Kev| WAU uses files.wowace.com/latest.xml + latest-noext.xml = they are rss feeds |
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| 14:16.10 | |Kev| | sylvanaar: ah, ta muchly :) |
| 14:16.12 | Neebler | The internet has made me hate the word "your" because of it's rampant misuse |
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| 14:16.17 | |Kev| | MAU uses latest.xml now |
| 14:16.26 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 14:16.28 | cncfanatics | might do the same :o |
| 14:16.37 | |Kev| | Neebler: the internet has made me hate the contraction it's because of its rampant misuse |
| 14:16.58 | cncfanatics | OMG |
| 14:17.00 | cncfanatics | ADDS ON FILES. |
| 14:17.03 | cncfanatics | ALERT :p |
| 14:17.25 | sylvanaar | EXTERMINATE |
| 14:18.09 | cncfanatics | wish each folder had a latest.txt file containing just the latest revision |
| 14:18.15 | cncfanatics | didn't it use to have that ? |
| 14:18.20 | |Kev| | cncfanatics: it does, after a fashion |
| 14:18.27 | |Kev| | there's the changelog file |
| 14:18.35 | cncfanatics | well, thats a pain for shells :) |
| 14:19.08 | cncfanatics | I cba doing any matching :) |
| 14:19.12 | sylvanaar | wau does that |
| 14:20.24 | sylvanaar | to your local folders at least |
| 14:20.48 | cncfanatics | I vote for a plain latest.txt file in the addon folders just container the latest rev |
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| 14:21.01 | cncfanatics | (remote, not localy :)) |
| 14:21.07 | sylvanaar | forget it |
| 14:21.22 | sylvanaar | its all in latest.xml |
| 14:21.39 | cncfanatics | yea, but that gets info from all addons, even the ones u don't got |
| 14:21.46 | cncfanatics | and,pain to parse using a shell script xD |
| 14:21.57 | sylvanaar | you need it anyways, and no its easy to parse |
| 14:22.21 | sylvanaar | regex is your friend |
| 14:22.36 | |Kev| | using regexps to parse xml? Ouch |
| 14:22.43 | |Kev| | XML parsing is pretty hard |
| 14:22.47 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 14:22.48 | sylvanaar | ok |
| 14:23.00 | |Kev| | it's trivial to do for trivial XML |
| 14:23.15 | cncfanatics | an rss feed would be pain |
| 14:23.17 | sylvanaar | you are only looking for one thing |
| 14:23.17 | |Kev| | but to be able to parse 'real' XML is hard work |
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| 14:23.35 | sylvanaar | you arent building a validating parser |
| 14:24.56 | cncfanatics | hmmm matching <item>\n<title>AddonName</title>\n*</item> would do |
| 14:25.03 | sylvanaar | yep |
| 14:25.13 | cncfanatics | now lets see, how do u regex match in shell |
| 14:25.20 | sylvanaar | um |
| 14:25.27 | charon | sed or perl :) |
| 14:25.37 | sylvanaar | grep, sed |
| 14:25.48 | cncfanatics | hmmm, I suck with that thing, any examples ? |
| 14:25.49 | |Kev| | sed would be easiest, imo |
| 14:26.13 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.13 | sylvanaar | there is probably an xml parser you can use also |
| 14:26.22 | |Kev| | /<item>.*<title>(.+)</title>.*</item>/ |
| 14:26.46 | cncfanatics | I'd do sed latest.xml /<item>.*<title>(.+)</title>.*</item>/ |
| 14:26.49 | cncfanatics | or something else ? |
| 14:27.04 | |Kev| | something else :) |
| 14:27.15 | cncfanatics | the sed manpage is pretty scarce |
| 14:31.07 | cncfanatics | someone an example ? :) |
| 14:31.25 | |Kev| | sed -e'regexp' latest.xml |
| 14:31.48 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.27 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 14:32.36 | cncfanatics | can't find label for jump to `itle>.*</item>/' |
| 14:32.39 | sylvanaar | <title[^>]*>(<title[^>]*>(.*?)</title>)</title> |
| 14:33.22 | sylvanaar | oops that outer one is supposed to be item |
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| 14:33.31 | cncfanatics | unknown command < |
| 14:33.40 | cncfanatics | expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `<' |
| 14:33.54 | cncfanatics | backslashes before < & > ? |
| 14:34.03 | |Kev| | probably |
| 14:35.37 | cncfanatics | same error as Kev's |
| 14:35.46 | Fisker- | OH HI |
| 14:35.53 | cncfanatics | meh, I hate regex :) |
| 14:36.09 | |Kev| | yes, you're supposed to :) |
| 14:36.38 | Codayus | Someone who liked regex would be a wee bit scary. |
| 14:36.41 | sylvanaar | you probably have to know how to use the ` |
| 14:36.57 | cncfanatics | I have 0% knowledge of regex :) |
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| 14:37.13 | charon | i think your problem is with sed |
| 14:37.25 | charon | try sed 's/someregex/resultpattern/' |
| 14:37.43 | cncfanatics | no error |
| 14:37.51 | charon | e.g. sed 's/foo([bar]*)baz/\1/' |
| 14:37.58 | sylvanaar | pos |
| 14:38.10 | charon | though quite honestly i don't know off the top of my head if sed uses (groups) or \(groups\) |
| 14:38.28 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.41 | cncfanatics | oh wait, it does nvm |
| 14:39.09 | sylvanaar | man sed |
| 14:39.35 | charon | cncfanatics: sed 's///' does a substitution, and that's probably what you need |
| 14:39.36 | jh | hey my MacAceUpdater is updating himself. With the MacAceUpdaterUpdater? :) |
| 14:39.48 | charon | (you'll want to substitute away everything except the revision number) |
| 14:39.56 | |Kev| | jh: it's a lovely bit of mac code called sparkle |
| 14:39.59 | sylvanaar | the revision has its own field |
| 14:40.04 | |Kev| | most self-updating proggies on macs use it |
| 14:40.04 | cncfanatics | charon, I need to fidn a string, why would I want to substitute ? |
| 14:40.21 | jh | yes great one. i love autoupdates! |
| 14:40.39 | cncfanatics | sed '/<item>.*<title>Omen<\/title>.*<wowaddon:version>(.+)<\/wowaddon:version>.*</item>/' latest.xml |
| 14:40.42 | cncfanatics | returns the whole file |
| 14:40.43 | cncfanatics | weird |
| 14:40.54 | |Kev| | cncfanatics: yeah, it would |
| 14:40.58 | |Kev| | because that regexp matches |
| 14:41.05 | |Kev| | I wasn't thinking entirely straight earlier :) |
| 14:41.23 | cncfanatics | wouldnt the one I jsut pasted just match (.+) ? |
| 14:41.33 | cncfanatics | or does something work differently from lua matching stuff |
| 14:41.41 | charon | cncfanatics: to "find" something in a shell script, i'd try to substitute away everything else so i could stuff the string i found into a variable |
| 14:41.46 | |Kev| | do a replace and it'l work :) |
| 14:41.48 | |Kev| | *it'll |
| 14:42.09 | sylvanaar | get a real xml parser or an rss reader |
| 14:42.11 | |Kev| | s/thi(.+)ngtomatch/%1// |
| 14:42.56 | cncfanatics | sed 's/<item>.*<title>Omen<\/title>.*<wowaddon:version>(.+)<\/wowaddon:version>.*</item>/%1//' latest.xml |
| 14:42.59 | cncfanatics | would that do something usefull ? |
| 14:43.30 | charon | too many slashes there |
| 14:43.55 | charon | also IIRC sed uses \1 for group substitution |
| 14:44.50 | cncfanatics | sed 's/.*<item>.*<title>Omen<\/title>.*<wowaddon:version>(.+)<\/wowaddon:version>.*<\/item>.*/\1/' latest.xml ? |
| 14:45.05 | sylvanaar | this works too: \b(https?|ftp|file)://[-A-Z0-9+&@#/%?=~_|!:,.;]*[-A-Z0-9+&@#/%=~_|] |
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| 14:45.52 | cncfanatics | sed 's/.*<item>.*<title>Omen<\/title>.*<wowaddon:version>(.+)<\/wowaddon:version>.*<\/item>.*/%1/' latest.xml <--- matches whole file |
| 14:46.08 | cncfanatics | sed 's/.*<item>.*<title>Omen<\/title>.*<wowaddon:version>(.+)<\/wowaddon:version>.*<\/item>.*/\1/' latest.xml <-- errors out: sed: -e expression #1, char 92: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS |
| 14:46.11 | sylvanaar | if you output the matches you have a list of the update urls you can pipe elsewhere |
| 14:46.11 | cncfanatics | meh, hate regex xD |
| 14:47.05 | cncfanatics | sylvanaar, how would I use ur regex ? |
| 14:47.13 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.47 | sylvanaar | tryit |
| 14:48.26 | charon | does inspiration stack with ancestral healing? |
| 14:48.31 | cryogen | no |
| 14:49.00 | cncfanatics | sylvanaar, I haven o idea how, every way I can think off errors out :p |
| 14:52.21 | sylvanaar | that sucks |
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| 14:53.10 | cncfanatics | patterns ftl |
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| 14:53.41 | sylvanaar | this works too: \b((?:https?|ftp|file)://[-A-Z0-9+&@#/%?=~_|!:,.;]*[-A-Z0-9+&@#/%=~_|]) maybe |
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| 14:55.42 | sylvanaar | worked for me |
| 14:55.49 | cncfanatics | sed 'urregex' latest.xml ? |
| 14:56.12 | cncfanatics | got no idea how to use the stuff u give me :( |
| 14:56.57 | sylvanaar | what is the command to return all matches |
| 14:57.32 | sylvanaar | a// ? |
| 14:57.39 | sylvanaar | go read |
| 14:58.36 | cncfanatics | matches stuff :o :) |
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| 15:01.51 | cryogen | anyone good with rogue talents? |
| 15:02.01 | cryogen | wondering what to spec to level |
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| 15:03.29 | CIA-22 | 03helium * r49018 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/ (CopyChat.lua Editbox.lua): |
| 15:03.29 | CIA-22 | Prat: |
| 15:03.29 | CIA-22 | - updated zhTW localization |
| 15:03.41 | jh | hm, is there an addon that allows me to keybind the fastest available mount for the area i am in? |
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| 15:05.55 | kenlyric | cryogen: push down and get riposte as fast as you can. |
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| 15:06.08 | sylvanaar | has anyone tried the right-click copy feature in Prat yet? |
| 15:06.41 | sylvanaar | i want to know if the menus' can cause errors with secure frames |
| 15:06.45 | cryogen | kenlyric: aye, got that |
| 15:06.51 | cryogen | wondering how much, if any, to put in assass |
| 15:06.55 | cryogen | im aronud level 40 atm |
| 15:07.57 | kenlyric | i'd put 5 points in malice at any time you can. |
| 15:08.56 | kenlyric | the rest can wait until you've gotten surprise attacks. |
| 15:09.16 | kenlyric | though some people like remorseless attacks, i haven't really tested it out. |
| 15:09.27 | cncfanatics | is it that +40% crit talent in tier 1 ? |
| 15:09.30 | cncfanatics | I <3 it at lvl 13 ^^ |
| 15:09.37 | cryogen | i guess im already heading in the right direction then i guess |
| 15:09.42 | cryogen | s/i guess// |
| 15:09.45 | sylvanaar | Elkano im not sure - there was a chathead module that was removed - why |
| 15:09.45 | jh | hm, so many addons in my fubar. Can i Group in one button? |
| 15:09.59 | jh | group them* |
| 15:10.16 | kenlyric | if you grind mobs quickly it's a great talent. |
| 15:10.44 | charon | jh: don't think so but try this: stuff all the mods that are really only configuration menus on one side, set spacing on that side to 0, disable Show Text for all those mods |
| 15:10.50 | charon | that gives a nice icon density :) |
| 15:10.55 | cryogen | <3 blood fury and riposte |
| 15:11.02 | cryogen | er |
| 15:11.04 | cryogen | blade flurry even |
| 15:11.17 | jh | charon: lol |
| 15:11.33 | cncfanatics | orc racial is also <3 |
| 15:11.35 | cncfanatics | free trinket |
| 15:11.39 | cryogen | it is yes :) |
| 15:11.41 | Elkano | well, sylvanaar, could be usefull as a push-variant of AltNames |
| 15:11.42 | cryogen | my rogue is undead though |
| 15:11.51 | cryogen | my orc hunter loves blood fury tho |
| 15:12.00 | sylvanaar | well, there is already substitutions |
| 15:13.14 | kenlyric | blood fury + blade fury :) |
| 15:13.34 | cryogen | yea i can imagine that being.. nic |
| 15:13.35 | cryogen | e |
| 15:13.36 | kenlyric | blood fury makes most orc classes OP. |
| 15:13.41 | Shirik | jh: There's a macro you can use |
| 15:13.51 | Elkano | but no automatic prefix? |
| 15:13.59 | sylvanaar | but, maybe fin will add it if you ask him, seems like something altnames could do |
| 15:14.21 | jh | Shirik: hm how does that work? |
| 15:14.23 | kenlyric | honestly looking at remorseless attacks now, i'd say just get those two points until you've filled 41 in combat. |
| 15:14.37 | cryogen | ive got malice + remorseless |
| 15:14.40 | cryogen | rest in combat |
| 15:14.44 | kenlyric | well, that works too. |
| 15:14.48 | Shirik | /cast [flyable,nomodifier:alt] MyFlyingMount; MyGroundMount |
| 15:15.00 | Shirik | is what I use |
| 15:15.39 | kenlyric | I use a lazy one and disable error sounds :) |
| 15:16.01 | sylvanaar | but yeah, please test the right click menu's. I came up with my own method of adding things to them. I just wanted to make sure it doesnt break secure frames |
| 15:17.29 | kenlyric | cryogen: with that start, this is where i'd end up, or about http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fMtbovZMhEz0VzxMGot |
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| 15:23.18 | cryogen | ya very similar to what i had in mind |
| 15:23.18 | cryogen | cool |
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| 15:25.10 | charon | umm... does taking the insignia of someone reset his rez timer? or wtf was that |
| 15:25.16 | charon | in BG |
| 15:25.36 | _dreamss | no |
| 15:25.41 | kaiden | I think it makes them have to resurrect at their starting point |
| 15:25.45 | _dreamss | they cant rez if u take tehir insignia |
| 15:25.45 | kaiden | rather than a close graveyard |
| 15:25.56 | kaiden | dun pvp much so dont take my word for it |
| 15:25.56 | _dreamss | on tehir body |
| 15:25.57 | kaiden | :P |
| 15:26.10 | _dreamss | but they can rez at any rezzer npc |
| 15:26.27 | charon | well the weird thing is |
| 15:26.36 | charon | i died at mine, and i have automaton which auto-releases |
| 15:26.43 | charon | so i'm at stables with a few seconds to go |
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| 15:26.56 | charon | then just when i'd have got the rez, the insignia message shows up and my timer is at 29 again |
| 15:26.57 | _dreamss | the body gets destroyed when u loot, while u can still move you cant rez were you died |
| 15:27.10 | kenlyric | yeah, that can happen. |
| 15:27.24 | _dreamss | 2many ppl rezzing at the spirit healer? |
| 15:27.34 | kenlyric | it doesn't reset the timer, but it locks you out for a second. |
| 15:27.38 | charon | hmm. dunno |
| 15:27.42 | kenlyric | and if you miss the rez, then you miss it. |
| 15:27.54 | charon | anyway, i'm alliance so i'm fucked in BG whether it's buggy or not ;) |
| 15:28.02 | kenlyric | just play AV |
| 15:28.58 | charon | in fact i'm queued and halfway through even |
| 15:29.03 | charon | just 1:48 to go |
| 15:29.06 | charon | so there. |
| 15:29.16 | charon | AV queues are always several hours except on AV weekends |
| 15:29.45 | _dreamss | gogo armory synch |
| 15:29.46 | _dreamss | 47% complete (70 of 150) |
| 15:29.51 | jh | Shirik: thank you |
| 15:29.55 | Shirik | np |
| 15:30.03 | sag_ich_nicht | GOD DAMN IT |
| 15:30.04 | sag_ich_nicht | [2007/09/16 17:29:25-223-x2]: ChatLog-2.0\Core-Interface.lua:44: attempt to concatenate field '?' (a table value) |
| 15:30.04 | sag_ich_nicht | ChatLog-2.0\Core-Initialize.lua:500: in function <Interface\AddOns\ChatLog\Core-Initialize.lua:500> |
| 15:30.04 | sag_ich_nicht | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.23 | sag_ich_nicht | just when i need it because of guild drama, elephant is broken |
| 15:30.30 | sag_ich_nicht | sonofafuckingbitch |
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| 15:34.13 | sb | hm |
| 15:34.18 | sb | enable log to file? :p |
| 15:35.05 | CIA-22 | 03roartindon * r49019 10Aloft/Modules/ (ThreatBar.lua ThreatData.lua): Aloft: Not having Threat-1.0 will disable ThreatData/ThreatBar modules |
| 15:35.24 | sag_ich_nicht | sb: that's the next thing |
| 15:35.29 | sag_ich_nicht | it says it's enabled in the Elephant GUI |
| 15:35.39 | sag_ich_nicht | so i open the file |
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| 15:35.44 | sag_ich_nicht | it's not there |
| 15:35.48 | sag_ich_nicht | so i'm like "wtf" |
| 15:35.52 | sag_ich_nicht | and check with the slashcommand |
| 15:35.55 | sag_ich_nicht | AWESOME, IT'S DISABLED |
| 15:38.06 | sb | it will be there after logging out? |
| 15:38.08 | sb | its not realtime log |
| 15:38.52 | sb | mhh best class for solarian arcane tank? |
| 15:38.59 | Xinhuan | prot warriors usually |
| 15:39.04 | sb | mhh |
| 15:39.07 | Xinhuan | since they don't really do anything else |
| 15:39.10 | Xinhuan | i mean they can't dps |
| 15:39.12 | sb | AE taunt on adds |
| 15:39.20 | Xinhuan | that is better for paladins |
| 15:39.29 | sb | ahah paladins :/ |
| 15:39.38 | sb | okay and if you dont have tankadins? :p |
| 15:39.43 | Xinhuan | a single prot pally is sufficient for all the aoeing in Morogrim, Solarian, Kael'thas and all the trash in Hyjal |
| 15:39.58 | Xinhuan | then use a druid or warlock |
| 15:40.09 | Xinhuan | as long as they have like 13k hp buffed |
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| 15:40.13 | Xinhuan | or more |
| 15:40.17 | sb | mh |
| 15:40.18 | Xinhuan | in AR gear |
| 15:40.28 | sb | lock would be nice because of +healing bonus |
| 15:40.31 | Xinhuan | a prot warr has a larger selection of gear to choose from |
| 15:40.35 | sb | druid has hueg armor |
| 15:40.38 | Xinhuan | because they can wear plate, cloth, mail, etc |
| 15:40.39 | sb | right |
| 15:40.52 | sb | err stamina |
| 15:40.54 | sb | not armor |
| 15:40.57 | Xinhuan | armor is irrelevant -- all the 2 AR soakers do is stand in 1 spot on top of each other whole fight |
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| 15:41.05 | Xinhuan | and shoot a few arrows maybe |
| 15:41.14 | sb | hmyup i know |
| 15:41.36 | sb | okay think prot warri would be best choice - and feral for add tanking |
| 15:41.39 | Xinhuan | try to choose people that are otherwise useless in a dps fight, hence prot warrs are a good suggestion |
| 15:41.46 | Xinhuan | yeah a good feral druid can aoe tank |
| 15:41.55 | Xinhuan | we use a prot pally, so we use a feral druid to tank the boss itself |
| 15:42.12 | sb | mh right |
| 15:42.24 | sb | but boss isnt there in ae phase :p |
| 15:42.50 | Xinhuan | you won't kill the adds before boss respawns |
| 15:42.56 | Xinhuan | so a tank has to be ready |
| 15:44.54 | Xinhuan | alar mount dropped for us tonight, its so cool |
| 15:45.04 | kaiden | grats |
| 15:45.14 | sb | its not that rare |
| 15:45.31 | sb | and it looks strange with tauren on it ;p |
| 15:45.41 | Xinhuan | there's only 2 on my server, out of the 10 guilds that are in BT/Hyjal |
| 15:45.57 | Xinhuan | 2 alar mounts that is |
| 15:46.05 | Xinhuan | there are 49 raiding guilds on my server that can kill void reaver or magtheridon |
| 15:46.19 | Xinhuan | so, i'll say its pretty rare |
| 15:46.22 | sb | uhm? |
| 15:46.28 | kaiden | bleh.. i so need to move to a bigger server then |
| 15:46.34 | sb | whats with void reaver / magtheridon? :o |
| 15:46.39 | Xinhuan | they are easy bosses |
| 15:46.46 | sb | hm ye |
| 15:46.46 | sb | s |
| 15:46.48 | Xinhuan | so any guild that can kill those, i'll say its a raiding guild |
| 15:46.53 | sb | ah ;o |
| 15:46.53 | kaiden | there's only like 10 guilds on my server total that can even do gruul :P, my guild just finished up with getting magtheridon down |
| 15:46.56 | Xinhuan | and there's 49 of them on my server ;p |
| 15:48.01 | kenlyric | 49, jesus. |
| 15:48.28 | cncfanatics | WTB |
| 15:48.31 | cncfanatics | what server Xinhuan ? |
| 15:48.52 | kenlyric | we have 29 |
| 15:49.11 | kenlyric | though two of those who haven't have killed kazzak |
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| 15:50.34 | cncfanatics | i'm currently rerolling on kazzak EU, can anyone tlel me if thats an active server ? :o |
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| 15:51.03 | Xinhuan2 | hmm my PC locked up |
| 15:51.06 | Xinhuan2 | what did i miss? |
| 15:52.00 | _dreamss | nothing much |
| 15:52.45 | kenlyric | I enjoy when blackout procs at exactly the right moment |
| 15:53.02 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, blackout > everyone when ur lucky |
| 15:53.06 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/jaylamount.jpg |
| 15:53.11 | Xinhuan | there i got a nice screenshot |
| 15:53.13 | Xinhuan | of the mount |
| 15:53.26 | kenlyric | when soloing it's the exact moment the mob wants to hit me and I have no shield up. |
| 15:53.39 | sb | cncfanatics: mhh |
| 15:53.47 | sb | check wowjutsu? |
| 15:54.00 | Fisker- | nice guild name btw |
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| 15:54.13 | cncfanatics | sb, I did, still, I'd like people to tell me if its active compared to theirs |
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| 15:55.35 | Fisker- | i want you cncfanatics |
| 15:56.16 | Fisker- | no you're not |
| 15:56.20 | Fisker- | and now you're getting arrested |
| 15:56.24 | Fisker- | i was a cop in disguise |
| 15:56.31 | cncfanatics | rofl |
| 15:56.44 | cncfanatics | troll me as much as u want later, but first lemme finish my fys report |
| 15:56.52 | Fisker- | fys? :o |
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| 16:00.59 | Xinhuan | [9/16 23:51:58] <Fisker-> nice guild name btw |
| 16:01.00 | Xinhuan | ty ;p |
| 16:05.02 | sylvanaar | i want a guild that isnt lame or run by assholes |
| 16:05.16 | evl | Don't join ours |
| 16:05.21 | evl | Ammo REAKS of recutm |
| 16:05.24 | evl | rectum* |
| 16:05.25 | Xinhuan | i'm a good guild leader, i swear :) |
| 16:05.29 | mikma | well make one. then your guild is lame and run by asshole |
| 16:06.15 | cncfanatics | Fisker- fys = dutch sub for physics |
| 16:06.15 | Codayus | I'm pretty sure my guild isn't lame. And I don't think I'm an asshole... |
| 16:07.04 | cncfanatics | meh, i'm currenttly lvl'ing, when i'm 70 chances are i'm starting my own guild if I cant find a nice one |
| 16:07.32 | Codayus | cncfanatics: Level a shaman and join us, kthx. |
| 16:07.33 | Xinhuan | cncfanatics: raiding guild? pvp guild? casual guild? |
| 16:08.06 | sylvanaar | Codayus need a resto druid? us/pve? |
| 16:08.44 | Xinhuan | i'm looking to recruit a feral druid |
| 16:08.59 | Xinhuan | that knows how to tank |
| 16:09.00 | Codayus | Actually, kinda. US, PVE. Weird raid times though, and we're pretty casual. We're still pretty excited about downing Lurker for the first time on Friday... :-) |
| 16:09.01 | Xinhuan | and dps |
| 16:10.04 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, raiding most prolly |
| 16:10.08 | sylvanaar | i stopped raiding when my guild was at mag in ... april |
| 16:10.11 | cncfanatics | Codayus, might consider it |
| 16:10.14 | cncfanatics | where u at raiding ? :p |
| 16:10.29 | Codayus | ? |
| 16:10.31 | cncfanatics | and whats ur location ? (server/continent) |
| 16:10.43 | cncfanatics | oh nvm u just said so |
| 16:11.00 | cncfanatics | i'm kinda looking for some semi-hardcore raiding (as in, not a lot of raids, but lots of focus when raiding) |
| 16:12.27 | sylvanaar | i dont want a hardcore guild again - only thing hardcore about my last one was thier egos |
| 16:12.37 | Codayus | Our theory is yes, casual outside raids, serious while raiding. As a practical matter...not so much. *shrug* |
| 16:12.38 | Recluse | could someone tell me what the correct format to table.remove() is in this circumstance? http://recluse.pastey.net/73909 The two things I've read and tried do not work o.O |
| 16:13.08 | cncfanatics | sylvanaar, with hardcore I mean actualy focussed while raiding |
| 16:13.21 | cncfanatics | I don't want more then 3-4 raids a week, and thats a BIG MAX, more just doesnt suit in my life anymore |
| 16:13.54 | cncfanatics | but, when I raid, I want to get something else then a repair bill |
| 16:14.06 | kenlyric | and an ulcer |
| 16:15.11 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 16:15.39 | Codayus | Although one thing more casual guilds find, in my experience, is that attendance tends to be spotty. Life, job, kids, whatever means one week you have 4 warlocks, next week 0... |
| 16:15.50 | cncfanatics | I don't want that either |
| 16:15.56 | Codayus | Which can make things annoying no matter how serious you are. :-/ |
| 16:15.57 | cncfanatics | I want people that can raid on said days, and will always be there |
| 16:16.13 | cncfanatics | imo a raiding guild shld have 30-35 members, not more |
| 16:16.47 | Codayus | Yeah...ideally, you want a combination of: Skill, good personality, firm schedule, and with a schedule that matches your guilds. |
| 16:17.14 | cncfanatics | impossible to get on servers I was in |
| 16:17.20 | cncfanatics | there was like one raiding guild on my old server |
| 16:17.31 | cncfanatics | (raiding guild == at least 1 boss down in SSC & at least one in TK) |
| 16:17.45 | Recluse | if i ever got back into a raid guild, it would have to be one which did not expect me to attend a raid more than 1-2 times a week, even if i was online 16h/d 7d/wk |
| 16:17.52 | Codayus | But, once you realize you can't find that many players, you relax your standards. *shrug* |
| 16:18.04 | kenlyric | recluse, i'm the same way. |
| 16:18.10 | sylvanaar | what guild were you in recluse? |
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| 16:18.30 | kenlyric | i'm around my computer all the time, but being chained to it causes seizures. |
| 16:18.38 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 16:18.54 | MoonWitch | for the computer or you? |
| 16:18.57 | Recluse | currently i'm in a nothing guild, just a bunch of friends who play together - we don't even run non-raid instances |
| 16:18.57 | Codayus | Recluse: We have 3 raids a week, and no attendance requirements. A pretty big "core" makes most of our raids, but only 2-3 people make all of them. |
| 16:19.26 | cncfanatics | Codayus, my old pre-tbc guild worked like that |
| 16:19.28 | Xinhuan | only 1 person in my guild has 100% attendance lol |
| 16:19.30 | Recluse | there are times that i want to play the game without raiding. raiding isn't everything lol |
| 16:19.35 | Xinhuan | about 70% have above 75% though |
| 16:19.38 | cncfanatics | we were 45-50 and usualy had 45ish people online |
| 16:19.49 | Codayus | And we've got a big fringe that raid very occasionally. Probably would drive some people nuts, but it works well for us. |
| 16:19.54 | Recluse | and often i'm "online" but afk every 5 minutes, which is not conducive to raiding |
| 16:20.12 | cncfanatics | u wouldn't suit in the kind of guild I want xD |
| 16:20.14 | Codayus | But our progression reflects it. |
| 16:20.15 | kenlyric | Recluse: well, that's why I play the game without raiding. there's a direct relationship between how focused people are in this game and how frequently they want to raid. |
| 16:20.34 | cncfanatics | well, I wouldnt mind raiding 5 days a week again tbh |
| 16:20.40 | cncfanatics | as long as my fridays & saterdays are free xD |
| 16:20.41 | Codayus | VR down a couple weeks ago, Lurker down this week. *shrug* Works for us... |
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| 16:21.07 | sylvanaar | i just want a guild that actually does stuff |
| 16:21.32 | cncfanatics | hehe, quite the same |
| 16:21.37 | kenlyric | trying to find a guild that wants a holy priest 1 or 2 nights a week turns out to be... not existing. |
| 16:21.37 | cncfanatics | sylvanaar, ur US or EU ? |
| 16:21.42 | sylvanaar | us |
| 16:21.46 | cncfanatics | too bad, i'm EU |
| 16:22.12 | Codayus | Someone on EJ forums came up with a pretty good metric for casual vs hardcore I think. Something about "hardcore means telling the soccer mom who makes every raid that, sorry, she's just not good enough and is being permenatly benched for someone with higher DPS". |
| 16:22.19 | kenlyric | well, that's not also been wiping to lurker since TK/SSC opened and they got void reaver the first week. |
| 16:22.47 | sylvanaar | one step further |
| 16:22.57 | sylvanaar | gkicking her |
| 16:23.01 | Codayus | Heh |
| 16:23.06 | cncfanatics | my old guild had that kind of people |
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| 16:23.10 | cncfanatics | sister of X, that sucked totaly |
| 16:23.13 | cncfanatics | mom of Y, that sucked even more |
| 16:23.20 | cncfanatics | lil brother of Z, that also sucked |
| 16:24.32 | kenlyric | ow, my ulcer |
| 16:24.48 | sylvanaar | im so far behind now tho - i have almost no post kara experience... |
| 16:24.50 | kenlyric | suffering through intrepid stupidity is not something I'm willing to do. |
| 16:24.51 | Codayus | For me, WoW (and raiding) is a social activity. So...yeah. We've got a lot of husband/wife couples, soccer moms, etc. Feature or bug? :-) Depends on your viewpoint. |
| 16:24.59 | cncfanatics | sylvanaar, same xD |
| 16:25.08 | cncfanatics | Codayus, if they dont suck, feature |
| 16:25.11 | kenlyric | I don't mind low skill. I mind stupidity. |
| 16:25.21 | Recluse | if i don't put my name on raid signup page or join the raidwaiting channel in anticipation, i should not be called upon XD |
| 16:25.47 | Codayus | kenlyric: Agreed, although sometimes its hard to tell the difference. |
| 16:25.49 | sylvanaar | my account was hacked in april - i was going to quit wow, then i guess i changed my mind |
| 16:26.02 | kenlyric | Codayus: the number of times they trigger flame wreath. |
| 16:26.16 | kenlyric | if it's more than 1, watch them. If it's more than 2, hire a hitman |
| 16:26.20 | Codayus | Oh...well, we're pretty good on that score. |
| 16:26.27 | Whinewhisper | Any mod or macro that will let me cycle through chatframes ? |
| 16:26.42 | kenlyric | if they say "I'm too busy healing" kill their family too. |
| 16:26.45 | Codayus | Although we've had a couple people that couldn't dodge netherspite breaths to save their life if they staid in. |
| 16:26.47 | Whinewhisper | and anyone that will pop up the chatframe with guild/whispers when someone talks ? |
| 16:27.15 | kenlyric | well, that's a little rougher because it requires movement :) |
| 16:27.20 | Codayus | (That's different though; dodging breaths is a skill. Triggering flame wreath takes rampant stupidiyt...) |
| 16:27.30 | kenlyric | flame wreath requires *not* movement, which is infinitely easier to achieve. |
| 16:27.31 | MoonWitch | for whispers : Cellular works that way. WIM does too, And I believe Prat will give sound alerts, but no popup |
| 16:28.00 | MoonWitch | I've never been in a raid, unless yall call VC raiding too with 2 or 3 people. |
| 16:28.39 | Neebler | Van Cleef pay big for your heads! |
| 16:29.05 | CIA-22 | 03roartindon * r49020 10Assessment/Modules/Deaths.lua: Assessment: Updated Deaths.lua data information table in header comment |
| 16:29.30 | MoonWitch | but can you successfully raid at lvl 38? |
| 16:30.41 | Codayus | kenlyric: Anyhow, we could use a decent holy priest. :-) |
| 16:31.15 | kenlyric | so then that means you must be horde eu pvp |
| 16:31.52 | Codayus | US Alliance PVE |
| 16:31.52 | kenlyric | or, all 3 |
| 16:31.52 | Codayus | Weird raid times though. |
| 16:31.52 | kenlyric | what, not until 1 am? |
| 16:31.53 | sylvanaar | what times? AEST? |
| 16:32.21 | Codayus | 8:30pm invites, 9:00pm pull. Raids M/W/F. Raids end at 12am on weekdays, and 1am on Fri. |
| 16:32.24 | Codayus | PST |
| 16:32.38 | sylvanaar | what server |
| 16:32.42 | Codayus | Lightbringer. |
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| 16:33.57 | Codayus | If anyone actually cares, the website is http://www.projmayhem.com/ |
| 16:34.34 | kenlyric | ah. |
| 16:34.37 | kenlyric | *sigh* |
| 16:35.00 | Codayus | Ah? |
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| 16:35.46 | kenlyric | i'm eastern, so that's midnight for me :) |
| 16:35.51 | Codayus | Heh |
| 16:36.11 | sylvanaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.28 | Codayus | sylvanaar: Only if your resto. :-/ |
| 16:36.50 | sylvanaar | !c us proudmoore Sylvaan |
| 16:36.52 | ThraeBot | sylvanaar: Sylvaan, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (5/0/56). 7284 HP; 8855 Mana; 308 mana regen; 111 mp5; 3.28% melee crit; 1463 +heal; 4.23% dodge; 44 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 777 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ywoejk ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2sy4oj ][ Updated: Sun Sep 16 12:50:03 2007 EST ]] |
| 16:37.02 | Codayus | <3 |
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| 16:38.48 | sag_ich_nicht | how are the crit values that are shown in topscorefu decided? |
| 16:38.58 | sag_ich_nicht | i mean the one shown in the fubar itself |
| 16:39.02 | sag_ich_nicht | not the tooltip |
| 16:39.14 | Ominous | highest? |
| 16:39.23 | alcohol | !c eu sha'tar volkahr |
| 16:39.24 | ThraeBot | alcohol: volkahr is not the character you are looking for! |
| 16:39.26 | alcohol | :< |
| 16:39.27 | alcohol | yes it is |
| 16:39.56 | alcohol | !c eu the sha'tar volkahr |
| 16:39.59 | ThraeBot | alcohol: Volkahr, Level 54 Tauren Druid (0/0/45). 2507 HP; 4309 Mana; 176 mana regen; 33 mp5; 61.500 Melee DPS; 3.12% melee crit; 22 +heal; 3.92% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10); +20 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 447 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yvu29l ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2r6pek ][ Updated: Sun Sep 16 12:53:10 2007 EST ]] |
| 16:40.01 | alcohol | :< |
| 16:40.03 | alcohol | noob dr00d |
| 16:40.23 | sylvanaar | ahem |
| 16:40.31 | alcohol | wut ? |
| 16:40.33 | sylvanaar | resto and +22 heal |
| 16:40.36 | alcohol | :') |
| 16:40.43 | alcohol | I got poop gear |
| 16:40.57 | Ominous | sylvanaar: lvl 54 =P |
| 16:41.06 | sylvanaar | i see |
| 16:41.26 | Codayus | !c us lightbringer blaufist |
| 16:41.27 | sylvanaar | but not even 1/2 his level worth of +heal lol |
| 16:41.28 | ThraeBot | Codayus: Blaufist, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (0/0/61). 6564 HP; 9440 Mana; 396 mana regen; 154 mp5; 3.04% melee crit; 20 spell crit; 25 +spell dmg; 1573 +heal; 5.45% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10); +33 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 1090 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2cb7xu ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/37ku5t ][ Updated: Sun Sep 16 12:54:39 2007 EST ]] |
| 16:41.55 | Codayus | Our only resto druid. Hasn't been on much. 1 raid this month, 4-5 last month. |
| 16:41.57 | Codayus | :-/ |
| 16:42.16 | alcohol | why go 100% resto tree? |
| 16:42.19 | kaiden | that's because the game is dying out until the expansion, at least imo it is |
| 16:42.27 | alcohol | it isn't that interesting :< |
| 16:42.33 | kaiden | raiding just isn't good enough for the money spent / time put in |
| 16:42.38 | alcohol | 48 is all I will put in resto |
| 16:42.50 | kaiden | especially when most crafted gear is as good as the T5/T6 pieces |
| 16:43.00 | sylvanaar | if you get the hot talents you take treeform |
| 16:43.12 | alcohol | yes and ? |
| 16:43.17 | mort | the thing is, raiding is fun ;) |
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| 16:43.21 | sylvanaar | then whatever |
| 16:43.32 | alcohol | I'm going for some feral stuff too, like feral charge |
| 16:43.32 | Codayus | kaiden: Depends on perspective... I enjoy raiding a lot, plenty of upgrades and content ahead... |
| 16:43.52 | cncfanatics | kaiden, who cares ? I raid to have fun |
| 16:44.03 | mort | and t6 is an upgrade too |
| 16:44.19 | Codayus | Others have no upgrades or content. Or have lots, but don't see it as obtainable in a reasonable amount of effort. *shrug* No wrong answers, depends what you enjoy... |
| 16:44.28 | sylvanaar | there is more synergy with resto in balance |
| 16:44.33 | kaiden | cncfanatics, you are funny :P |
| 16:44.48 | alcohol | the first 5 points in balance are useless |
| 16:45.09 | alcohol | hence I refuse to waste them and I'll combine resto with feral |
| 16:45.11 | kaiden | Codayus, i dunno i just get burnt out due to the money put into raiding as a healer and the fact that you dont really get much back out of it until much later on |
| 16:45.12 | Codayus | alcohol: Same with feral, at least for raiding as resto... |
| 16:45.13 | alcohol | personal preference |
| 16:45.15 | alcohol | ^^ |
| 16:45.16 | cncfanatics | kaiden, how so ? U wouldnt do something u don't enjoy if ur not paid for it would you ? |
| 16:45.21 | alcohol | feral is decent enough for some fun pvp |
| 16:46.19 | Codayus | kaiden: Heh, I don't really agree; I enjoy raid healing. Then again, I did repsec shadow so... >.> |
| 16:46.33 | sylvanaar | imp wrath is one of the larget %increase in dps you can get (thought the numbers are small) |
| 16:46.43 | kaiden | Codayus, i'm not saying i dont enjoy raid healing, i do! i just dislike the lack of money made from raiding |
| 16:46.59 | kaiden | i think that whenever they make it so you get +spell damage from your +healing for soloing it will make it easier to bear |
| 16:47.43 | Codayus | kaiden: Mmm. A) Not sure how that's a healer issue, who makes money from raids? B) Daily quests = win. C) There is that, but I hate farming a lot, and holy priests solo badly with any gear... |
| 16:47.47 | kaiden | Codayus, then again your guild has most of it's kills down and my guild is still learning a few. No money spent through half our raid nights but then we jump onto bosses we haven't done and spend 3 hours wiping |
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| 16:48.32 | kaiden | and they are quite adamant with the wiping ;) wipe run back buff, rinse repeat |
| 16:48.32 | kaiden | hehe |
| 16:48.54 | Codayus | Um...lurker down friday, VR a couple weeks ago. We were stuck on VR for a month, gruul for um... |
| 16:48.54 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 16:49.19 | cncfanatics | weee, new wine FINALY works |
| 16:49.27 | Codayus | Maulgar down April 3, Gruul July 3. |
| 16:49.37 | mort | ouch |
| 16:49.48 | kaiden | Codayus, and daily quests dont really help people that barely have the time to raid, life interupted i guess :) |
| 16:50.02 | MoonWitch | life sucks that way |
| 16:50.12 | MoonWitch | always messing up the precious game time |
| 16:50.16 | kaiden | indeed! |
| 16:50.27 | Codayus | kaiden: Hrm, they're like...um, a LOT of gold for an hour or so... But yeah, okay, fair enough. |
| 16:50.34 | cncfanatics | raiding used to be self-sustaining prebc, GIEV THAT BACK |
| 16:50.35 | MoonWitch | I start my job tomorrow, EU time, I play WoW US time.. see an issue? |
| 16:50.40 | kaiden | my shifts are 12-16 hours long |
| 16:50.44 | Codayus | mort: Yeah...we downed Maulgar before Aran. "ZOMG 25 mans are EZ! This is cool!" |
| 16:50.48 | kaiden | so they are a pain in the butt |
| 16:50.59 | mort | brb, kael'thas ;) |
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| 16:51.09 | Codayus | Turned our we were not 100% correct in this statement. |
| 16:51.26 | MoonWitch | kaiden: what do ya do for work with shifts that long |
| 16:51.53 | kaiden | MoonWitch single handedly save the world from packet monkeys and spam bots! |
| 16:52.11 | kaiden | aka network analyst ;) |
| 16:52.18 | MoonWitch | not bad not bad |
| 16:52.25 | CIA-22 | 03gamefaq * r49022 10FuBar_QuestsFu/Details/deDE.lua: |
| 16:52.25 | CIA-22 | FuBar_QuestsFu: |
| 16:52.25 | CIA-22 | - deDE Update |
| 16:52.34 | Codayus | Fun |
| 16:52.37 | sylvanaar | alcohol i used to have a feral charge spec at 60 it was fun |
| 16:52.43 | MoonWitch | so YOU are the man to talk to to get rid of the spam on my domain then :P |
| 16:53.21 | alcohol | sylvanaar: mhhh? feral charge spec ? |
| 16:54.13 | alcohol | man, at times I am really tempted to go back to feral |
| 16:54.18 | alcohol | cat and bear are so much fun |
| 16:55.04 | sylvanaar | yeah i dont recall the spec 0/13/47 maybe |
| 16:55.38 | kenlyric | !c eu the_sha'tar volkahr |
| 16:55.38 | ThraeBot | kenlyric: volkahr is not the character you are looking for! |
| 16:55.44 | kenlyric | cool. |
| 16:56.00 | kenlyric | fun, scrollback |
| 16:56.03 | [dRaCo] | no _ |
| 16:57.00 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 16:57.31 | Recluse | ok i think the problem is that table.remove() wants an integer index into my table to remove the value, but i need to remove a key/val pair from the table by referencing the string value of the key, as the integer index of it may vary |
| 16:58.16 | Recluse | unfortunately, three days of googling has turned up zero ways to remove in such a way XD |
| 16:59.28 | alcohol | this spec seems nice for survivability. |
| 16:59.28 | alcohol | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/druid/talents.html?00000000000000000000050323213032212503120005503301031000000000 |
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| 17:01.14 | Funkeh` | hey |
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| 17:03.14 | cncfanatics | Recluse, loop through the table and search for said string value ? |
| 17:03.21 | cncfanatics | seriously, its easy to build ur own func for that |
| 17:03.36 | Recluse | well, check out what i've tried: http://recluse.pastey.net/73910 |
| 17:03.51 | cncfanatics | no no no :p |
| 17:03.56 | cncfanatics | lemme pastey u a func for that |
| 17:04.35 | cncfanatics | http://recluse.pastey.net/73911 |
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| 17:05.03 | cncfanatics | if ur not sure that the table is numericaly indexed then u'll have to nil it out instead of using table.remove |
| 17:05.13 | MoonWitch | why does everyone always say to go frost on mages? |
| 17:05.26 | ckknight | hey all |
| 17:05.31 | MoonWitch | hey ckk |
| 17:05.33 | cncfanatics | yo ckknight |
| 17:05.34 | Xinhuan | MoonWitch: ?_? huh |
| 17:05.41 | ckknight | MoonWolf: because it's both CC and DPS instead of just DPS. it's good for soloing because you can control your target easier |
| 17:05.52 | Xinhuan | in what context MoonWolf? |
| 17:05.53 | MoonWitch | ah |
| 17:06.00 | Xinhuan | pvp? lvling? raiding? |
| 17:06.05 | MoonWitch | pvp |
| 17:06.16 | Xinhuan | because of survivability |
| 17:06.26 | MoonWitch | see I always wanted to try an arcane mage, but everyone keeps telling me not to. |
| 17:06.26 | Xinhuan | with ice barrier, ice block, and frostbite |
| 17:06.34 | Xinhuan | you will have far greater survivability in pvp |
| 17:06.37 | Xinhuan | than other specs |
| 17:06.47 | Xinhuan | plus your attacks slow down enemies |
| 17:06.49 | Recluse | cncfanatics: the problem is that if I ran that function you put there, it would say table.remove(tbl, n) errored because n is a string |
| 17:06.53 | Xinhuan | making them easier to kite |
| 17:06.57 | Xinhuan | or get away from |
| 17:07.01 | Recluse | well, when plugging in my table to it lol |
| 17:08.10 | cncfanatics | Recluse, then replace table.remove by tbl[n] = nil |
| 17:08.31 | Recluse | hmm, let me try that |
| 17:09.26 | cncfanatics | http://recluse.pastey.net/73913 |
| 17:09.32 | cncfanatics | that func would do |
| 17:09.42 | cncfanatics | should work on every single table |
| 17:11.45 | Xinhuan | table.remove() only works on numerically indexes tables. |
| 17:11.54 | Recluse | D= it was as simple as setting it to nil... that's a shame |
| 17:12.02 | Xinhuan | because table.remove() will shift down all the elements |
| 17:12.17 | Recluse | Xinhuan: yeah, that was my whole problem. took me forever to realize that it only worked that way, though hehe |
| 17:12.25 | Xinhuan | say you have 10 elements numbered from index 1 to 10, table.remove(t, 6) will shift 7-10 down to 6-9 |
| 17:12.46 | Xinhuan | reading the pil would help! |
| 17:12.55 | Xinhuan | ~pil |
| 17:12.56 | purl | pil is probably Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 17:13.32 | Recluse | right. my table was { ["key"] = "value" } format, which is what was causing me grief lol |
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| 17:17.32 | CIA-22 | 03roartindon * r49023 10Assessment/Modules/Threat.lua: Assessment: Changing of some threat tags for naming consistency |
| 17:18.50 | charon | Antiarc: talked to that mage i mentioned yesterday, she says she doesn't use DoTimer |
| 17:19.42 | charon | for me that puts a translation issue fairly high on the list again, don't know if you have other ideas |
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| 17:22.41 | Lothaer | G'Day |
| 17:30.29 | CIA-22 | 03roartindon * r49024 10Assessment/AssessmentTag.lua: Assessment: Renaming of Max -> Maximum for consistency |
| 17:32.13 | Fisker- | btw Antiarc ping_ |
| 17:32.14 | Fisker- | ? |
| 17:34.31 | CIA-22 | 03roartindon * r49025 10Assessment/Modules/UnitData.lua: Assessment: UnitData - added MaximumPower for completeness |
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| 17:38.59 | cncfanatics | everyone except me ignores you, Fisker- |
| 17:39.03 | cncfanatics | and now i'm gonna grab dinner, cya |
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| 17:44.18 | nogudnik | /nickserv identify cheese |
| 17:44.34 | Kuja^ | unclever :P |
| 17:44.38 | nogudnik | weird, nickserv is ignoring anything I send it |
| 17:44.47 | Shirik | 14(1311:4211:5114) 11-› 14[notice from NickServ14]: Nickname: Cheese |
| 17:44.48 | Shirik | 14(1311:4211:5114) 11-› 14[notice from NickServ14]: Registered: 5 years 3 weeks 3 days (5h 37m 16s) ago |
| 17:44.48 | Shirik | 14(1311:4211:5114) 11-› 14[notice from NickServ14]: Last Seen: 2 years 18 weeks 3 days (3h 52m 49s) ago |
| 17:44.51 | nogudnik | (it's not cheese BTW :-) ) |
| 17:45.05 | Recluse | 2 years! hehe |
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| 17:45.20 | Shirik | are you sure your client supports /nickserv? |
| 17:45.21 | Kuja^ | sigh, omen doesn't diplay threat data for my hunter anymore, kust nothing... |
| 17:45.24 | Shirik | try /msg nickserv |
| 17:45.28 | sylvanaar | Codayus 25 questions sheesh |
| 17:45.29 | Kuja^ | s/kust/just |
| 17:46.09 | nogudnik | I thought I did. Guess I'm just having one of those days ..... Sorry for the noise. |
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| 17:47.32 | charon_ | Kuja^: try /rl after zoning and ping sag_ich_nicht |
| 17:47.33 | Elkano | how much damage should a gruul MT block? |
| 17:47.39 | charon_ | he has a similiar problem |
| 17:47.47 | Elkano | ours is at 272 per block |
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| 17:50.26 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49026 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - make inline groups look a lot nicer. |
| 17:50.40 | charon_ | Elkano: i don't think block is that important for gruul, as long as you block every hit you're fine... then again i'm not a warrior, just a literate bear |
| 17:50.42 | charon_ | are you having problems? how much HP does he have? |
| 17:50.51 | buu | Elkano: Check out average wws's? |
| 17:50.56 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 17:50.59 | Recluse | cncfanatics: finally done, ty for the help -> http://recluse.pastey.net/73914 |
| 17:51.10 | sylvanaar | oops was in the backbuffer |
| 17:51.47 | Lothaer | wats up guys |
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| 17:51.57 | buu | Jesus has returned. |
| 17:52.04 | buu | Oooh, just missed him. |
| 17:52.22 | Lothaer | save me Jebus |
| 17:52.27 | Quagmire | Is there currently a way to upload images to WowAce? I've tried "Upload file", and it doesn't appear to be working. |
| 17:53.01 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight 07Rock * r49027 10Parrot/Parrot/Code/ (CombatEvents.lua ScrollAreas.lua Triggers.lua): Parrot - clean up menus by using inline groups. |
| 17:53.17 | cncfanatics | Recluse, np |
| 17:53.38 | cncfanatics | damn, Recluse, don't u exagerate a bit with the comments ? :p |
| 17:53.41 | Lothaer | GID, Nod or Scrin? |
| 17:53.50 | charon_ | Elkano: our SSC MT has 246 block value unless i missed something :) |
| 17:53.57 | sylvanaar | i loved my mage after i specced frost - water elemental nova spam + AE it was a "blast" |
| 17:53.58 | Lothaer | GDI* lol |
| 17:54.21 | cncfanatics | Lothaer, I <3 Nod a damn lot |
| 17:54.22 | Recluse | cncfanatics: lol, i like comments! they help me when i go back and look at the code 5 years later when i have no idea what was on my mind at the time |
| 17:54.24 | cncfanatics | love how they work |
| 17:54.29 | Lothaer | Ice Lance Spam FTL |
| 17:54.34 | cncfanatics | Recluse, I also comment my code, but, not every single line -.- |
| 17:54.37 | Kuja^ | cool just disabled all addons except omen and it started working again :P |
| 17:54.38 | Lothaer | same lol |
| 17:54.49 | sylvanaar | my mage was 63 when it was keyloggered |
| 17:54.56 | charon_ | Kuja^: running DoTimer? |
| 17:54.56 | sylvanaar | that account is dead |
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| 17:55.36 | Lothaer | i had my second account get Banned |
| 17:55.37 | Recluse | cncfanatics: well, i could combine them into a larger paragraph prefacing each codeblock, which i do do at times |
| 17:56.00 | sylvanaar | i still have 2 accounts, that was account 3 |
| 17:56.16 | sylvanaar | no way i am leveling up again |
| 17:56.21 | Lothaer | my second got banned because i used WoWGlider :P |
| 17:56.27 | sylvanaar | WTB Mage PST |
| 17:56.28 | Recluse | i start with precise comments in the beginning when i'm still working on and debugging the code |
| 17:56.29 | ckknight | bad, Lothaer |
| 17:56.56 | Lothaer | i know its was just a shit and giggle account anyway used it to gank friends and guildies :P |
| 17:56.59 | Kuja^ | charon_: DoTimer? |
| 17:57.22 | sylvanaar | thats what mine was too |
| 17:57.42 | charon_ | dunno. seems that addon spams so many AceComm messages it more or less disables all other addons that rely on comms, like Threat-1.0 |
| 17:57.52 | charon_ | i've never used it so i wouldn't know |
| 17:58.13 | sylvanaar | cant you just shim chatthottlelib under it |
| 17:58.14 | Lothaer | thing is when Blizzard Banns your account they're supposed to send you a email to the address on the account stating why you have been Banned and for how long the Ban is |
| 17:58.23 | Lothaer | im stil waiting for that email :P |
| 17:58.30 | Kuja^ | ah, well, never used it |
| 17:58.34 | sylvanaar | lol, i never updated the email address |
| 17:59.07 | Lothaer | lol |
| 17:59.48 | sylvanaar | !c us proudmoore portalme |
| 17:59.50 | ThraeBot | sylvanaar: Portalme, Level 70 Night Elf Priest (14/0/47). 7381 HP; 8340 Mana; 173 mana regen; 45 mp5; 121 spell crit; 55 spell hit; 692 +spell dmg/heal; 51 shadow dmg (743); 6.18% dodge; 29 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1597 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2afxq9 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3cr4wg ][ Updated: Sun Sep 16 14:13:02 2007 EST ]] |
| 18:00.16 | kaiden | sylvanaar, is the guild Lost Boys still around on that server? |
| 18:00.20 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 18:00.24 | ag` | !c eu kazzak Giustiniano |
| 18:00.25 | kaiden | i miss them :) |
| 18:00.26 | ThraeBot | ag`: Giustiniano, Level 70 Human Priest (28/33/0). 10881 HP; 8805 Mana; 146 mana regen; 6 mp5; 3911 Armour; 35 spell crit; 26 spell hit; 401 +spell dmg; 1033 +heal; 4.98% dodge; 435 resilience;[[ TBR: 1533 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yssj99 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2o59e8 ][ Updated: Sun Sep 16 14:13:38 2007 EST ]] |
| 18:00.32 | sylvanaar | when were you in it? |
| 18:00.36 | ag` | that's me |
| 18:00.38 | kaiden | a very very long time ago |
| 18:00.41 | sylvanaar | i was in Ruined |
| 18:00.56 | kaiden | i was the MT for a good long while til transfers to Khaz Modan opened up |
| 18:00.58 | Lothaer | !c us spinebreaker Lothaer |
| 18:00.58 | kaiden | then i moved |
| 18:01.00 | ThraeBot | Lothaer: Lothaer, Level 70 Night Elf Priest (31/30/0). 6141 HP; 9834 Mana; 354 mana regen; 100 mp5; 142 +spell dmg; 1340 +heal; 6.42% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 514 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2efmtc ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2p2reo ][ Updated: Sun Sep 16 14:14:12 2007 EST ]] |
| 18:01.36 | sylvanaar | Do you remember Ruined? |
| 18:01.41 | kaiden | !c us KhazModan Ruxx |
| 18:01.42 | ThraeBot | kaiden: Ruxx is not the character you are looking for! |
| 18:01.49 | kaiden | hrm.. h8 ThraeBot |
| 18:01.53 | kaiden | !c us Khaz Modan Ruxx |
| 18:01.55 | ThraeBot | kaiden: Ruxx, Level 70 Dwarf Priest (21/40/0). 7001 HP; 9900 Mana; 329 mana regen; 71 mp5; 143 +spell dmg; 1354 +heal; 4.82% dodge; 10 frost resist (+10);[[ TBR: 786 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrqfqv ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2n35vu ][ Updated: Sun Sep 16 14:15:07 2007 EST ]] |
| 18:01.56 | Elkano | well, I'm 2nd tank as a bear with about 18k HP and 25k armor, got to look up his values |
| 18:02.41 | *** join/#wowace simple (n=jh@i59F61603.versanet.de) |
| 18:02.45 | simple | hey |
| 18:02.47 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight 07Rock * r49028 10PitBull/PitBull/ (PitBull_MetaLayout.lua Portrait/Portrait.lua): PitBull - clean up menus by making some groups inline. |
| 18:03.00 | Elkano | he seems to be at 16k |
| 18:03.57 | charon_ | buffed HP? nowai? |
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| 18:04.28 | CIA-22 | 03funkydude * r49029 10BigWigs/Extras/CustomBar.lua: BigWigs: Extras/CustomBar: bugfix |
| 18:04.43 | Lothaer | can sum1 explain to me what i have to do to make frames movable? |
| 18:05.11 | kaiden | Lothaer, add a OnMouseDown StartDragging, should be visible from the wowwiki |
| 18:05.35 | Lothaer | were though/ |
| 18:05.40 | Lothaer | ?* |
| 18:05.41 | kaiden | gimme a second |
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| 18:06.22 | kaiden | Frame:StartMoving(); you have to use it with RegisterForDrag() |
| 18:07.13 | charon | Elkano: tbh i don't know the absolute minimum values to MT him. yours are fine though, i don't think hurtful will ever hit you for more than 14-15k within the number of growths your MT could possibly survive |
| 18:07.28 | simple | is somebody using chronometers? |
| 18:07.33 | simple | i installed it today |
| 18:07.33 | charon | Elkano: but 16kHP sounds low for a raid buffed warrior |
| 18:09.00 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49030 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - make inline groups look a bit nicer |
| 18:09.01 | charon | simple: me |
| 18:09.29 | simple | and its buggy because the bars are dissapearing before the dot is finished |
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| 18:10.30 | Amadeo | :D |
| 18:10.45 | kaiden | simple, are you a warlock? |
| 18:10.46 | simple | nearly every time |
| 18:10.49 | simple | yes |
| 18:10.51 | Amadeo | I'm a Warlock irl |
| 18:10.59 | kaiden | simple, drop chronometers and go get Forte Warlcok |
| 18:11.04 | kaiden | erm.. Forte Warlock |
| 18:11.11 | kaiden | it has proper dot timers and many other useful features for a lock |
| 18:11.12 | mort | mmh 3. tries for kael'thas |
| 18:11.14 | Amadeo | lol, Warclock, Warlcok, I love them both |
| 18:11.29 | Elkano | charon, possible he wasn't 100% buffed, yet. eg the HP shout |
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| 18:12.57 | Amadeo | What video/media players include their own codecs? I know of VLC and KMPlayer, does MPlayer do it also? |
| 18:13.04 | simple | ok thanks |
| 18:13.31 | kaiden | Amadeo, yes mplayer has it's own codecs |
| 18:14.03 | Amadeo | I notice that nothing seems to do WMV too well other than WMP |
| 18:14.06 | kaiden | but .. you need nothing more than VLC :) |
| 18:14.10 | simple | kaiden is that an ace addon? |
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| 18:14.21 | kaiden | simple, does it matter? |
| 18:14.22 | Amadeo | I have a lot of problems with VLC, videos not playing or lots of skipping |
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| 18:14.26 | simple | yes |
| 18:14.36 | kaiden | then you have issues ;) |
| 18:14.38 | Lothaer | kaiden: THANKYOU VERY MUCH |
| 18:14.44 | Zariel | vlc ftw |
| 18:14.47 | simple | i only want dotbars, nothing else |
| 18:15.07 | kaiden | Amadeo, i've found increasing the cpu affinity for a program helps with skipping |
| 18:15.15 | Nickenyfiken_ | VLC almost always work for me, even on files that doesn't play in other players. But some files don't play in VLC but in media player. |
| 18:15.45 | Lothaer | yeah VLC FTW |
| 18:15.46 | charon | simple: perhaps classtimers or those built into quartz work for you |
| 18:16.10 | simple | hm is chronometers working for you? |
| 18:16.31 | charon | yes but i'm not a lock |
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| 18:16.55 | CIA-22 | 03roartindon * r49031 10Assessment/Documentation/ (. Assessment.html): |
| 18:16.55 | CIA-22 | Assessment |
| 18:16.55 | CIA-22 | - Initial very very incomplete/rough documentation |
| 18:16.55 | CIA-22 | - Subfolder with .css, and images couldn't be committed.. wtf? |
| 18:17.24 | Amadeo | kaiden: I think I need to just increase my CPU in general :P |
| 18:17.49 | Lothaer | any1 able to point me into the right direction for making a minimap button? just a simple one to open the UI insteadt of typing /sw all the time :P |
| 18:18.18 | ckknight | Lothaer: you could make a FuBar plugin |
| 18:18.25 | ckknight | and have it attach to the minimap by default |
| 18:18.44 | Lothaer | i wanna do that later i want to make a Fubar and a Titan Plugin aswell as a minimap button |
| 18:18.56 | Lothaer | for people who dont use Titan or FuBar |
| 18:19.06 | Lothaer | btw the addon i need it for is Set Wrangler |
| 18:19.09 | ckknight | yea, FuBar plugins don't require FuBar. |
| 18:19.22 | ckknight | if FuBar's not available, they act as minimap buttons |
| 18:19.50 | Lothaer | but thing is Set Wrangler dosnt have any Ace code in it and i dont know how to make a minimap button anyway |
| 18:20.00 | ckknight | ah, okay |
| 18:20.06 | ckknight | minimap buttons are complex. |
| 18:20.15 | Lothaer | even simple ones? |
| 18:20.26 | Lothaer | just to open the UI and nothing else? |
| 18:20.28 | simple | hm? |
| 18:21.03 | Lothaer | like i could just find some-ones elses and try to edit it but it may take me a while |
| 18:21.53 | yssaril | Lothaer: you need to make sure the button stays on the minimap when you move it and the movement should be constrainde to the edge of the minimap this will change depending on the size of the minimap |
| 18:22.08 | simple | hm i rescaled the with of the chronometer bars - maybe it was a calculation bug |
| 18:22.12 | simple | i will try that |
| 18:22.20 | kenlyric | bad minimap buttons aren't ard. |
| 18:22.22 | kenlyric | hard |
| 18:22.25 | buu | Hrm. |
| 18:22.47 | Lothaer | yeah id like the MMB to be able to be moved around the minimap |
| 18:22.48 | ckknight | true |
| 18:22.53 | ckknight | _good_ minimap buttons are hard. |
| 18:22.53 | Lothaer | via click and drag |
| 18:23.16 | yssaril | Lothaer: but you have to account for different shapes of minimaps :) |
| 18:24.19 | buu | self:GetParent().window:OnClick(button) |
| 18:24.20 | yssaril | and if you are going to make a fubar plugin anyway why not put it in now problem solved |
| 18:24.25 | Lothaer | yeah true |
| 18:24.26 | Stan__ | mornin ckknight :) |
| 18:24.30 | buu | Is that code essentialyl just passing the click event up the hierarchy? |
| 18:24.50 | ckknight | morning, Stan__ |
| 18:25.03 | Lothaer | if you could point me into the right direction id be very thankful |
| 18:25.13 | Lothaer | 4am here lol |
| 18:25.33 | yssaril | http://wowace.com/wiki/FuBarPlugin-2.0 |
| 18:26.17 | Lothaer | so even though no Ace code is in Set Wrangler i can stil add FuBar support right |
| 18:26.43 | buu | Hrm, Window:OnClick is a native wow function, right? |
| 18:27.32 | simple | wow classtimer works fine |
| 18:27.48 | Ominous | simple: why wouldnt it? |
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| 18:32.30 | buu | Ok, why are half these functions defined as: local function foo(self, baz, qux ) and the other half: local function bar(this, qq, aa) |
| 18:32.32 | CIA-22 | 03recluse * r49032 10TextSpy/code/TextSpy.lua: |
| 18:32.32 | CIA-22 | TextSpy: |
| 18:32.32 | CIA-22 | - trigger table migration finalized/implemented |
| 18:33.06 | rob` | hee hee, 'qq' as a syntactic metavariable |
| 18:33.07 | rob` | I love it |
| 18:33.12 | xyu | wow. this channel on tv has had it's windows2000 screensaver just pop up |
| 18:33.15 | xyu | over the channel |
| 18:33.20 | buu | xyu: Excellent. |
| 18:33.22 | Recluse | lol |
| 18:33.40 | JoshBorke | buu: because that person isn't consistent? |
| 18:33.44 | buu | JoshBorke: Excellent. |
| 18:33.52 | sb | ckknight: go, trunk :p |
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| 18:36.03 | simple | chronometer wont work Ominous |
| 18:36.06 | ckknight | sb: I will in a little while |
| 18:36.13 | ckknight | sb: just want to fix a few bugs first methinks |
| 18:36.19 | sb | oh okay ;o |
| 18:37.48 | Stan__ | I little while == today? |
| 18:37.49 | sb | meh wtf |
| 18:37.57 | sb | 1-2s freeze on counterspell |
| 18:38.12 | sb | i dont know if it parrot or quartz issue :/ |
| 18:38.14 | Amadeo | Good! Now I can cast more! |
| 18:38.44 | ckknight | Stan__: yea, probably a few hours |
| 18:38.45 | sb | if parrot its no rock issue (happened before) |
| 18:39.03 | ckknight | hrm, could be parrot |
| 18:39.06 | ckknight | would be weird, though |
| 18:39.11 | sb | and its pretty annoying in arena :o |
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| 18:39.25 | sb | counterspell -> 1s freeze -> dead :/ |
| 18:39.32 | ckknight | where can I get countrerspelled at lvl 52? |
| 18:39.49 | buu | Ohhhh, I see. |
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| 18:39.58 | Funkeh` | ckknight: huh? |
| 18:40.05 | kenlyric | pvp? |
| 18:40.08 | sb | ckknight: mhh, duel |
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| 18:40.10 | kenlyric | duel? |
| 18:40.13 | Stan__ | ckknight: omg, good news :) |
| 18:40.15 | ckknight | bah |
| 18:40.25 | sb | or shield bash from some mob |
| 18:42.03 | Ominous | ckknight: whats doing to be moved to trunk in a few hrs? |
| 18:42.12 | Fisker- | Anyone know if you can avoid earthquake on morogrim? |
| 18:42.18 | Fisker- | Antiarc my winrar |
| 18:42.34 | sb | Fisker-: you, out of range and resist |
| 18:42.48 | sb | you=yep |
| 18:43.21 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 18:43.25 | Fisker- | we can't get that to work :P |
| 18:43.39 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49033 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: |
| 18:43.39 | CIA-22 | LibRockConfig-1.0 - ROCK-14 |
| 18:43.39 | CIA-22 | - allow dragging of items and spells onto editboxes. |
| 18:44.05 | Fisker- | giev some info |
| 18:44.29 | sb | im not sure about that out of range thing ;p |
| 18:44.30 | ZealotOnAStick | Fisker: resist is occasionally doable, not something you can Make happen. |
| 18:44.35 | sb | but its possible to resist |
| 18:44.43 | sb | why do you need to enforce that? |
| 18:44.46 | sb | needs to be healed |
| 18:44.46 | ZealotOnAStick | I don't know about out of range, if it's doable, then it's far beyond any usefulness. |
| 18:44.51 | sb | 2 shamans w/ chainheal, easy then |
| 18:44.58 | sb | +1-2 priests w/ renew |
| 18:45.13 | ZealotOnAStick | Used to be able to LoS it by pillars, but they fixed that a long time ago. |
| 18:45.14 | Fisker- | remove ~100k damage each 45 seconds not useful? |
| 18:45.20 | Fisker- | i disagree |
| 18:45.46 | ZealotOnAStick | You want that damage there anyway for your Paladins to heal to build higher global threat for the incoming Murlocs. |
| 18:46.12 | Fisker- | we use a paladin tank |
| 18:49.03 | buu | OnEnter only gets called once and OnLeave will always be called afterwards... right? |
| 18:49.26 | ckknight | not always |
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| 18:49.36 | buu | When might it not? |
| 18:49.38 | ckknight | there's some freaky cases where it might not be called |
| 18:49.44 | buu | OnLeave you mean? |
| 18:49.50 | ckknight | yea |
| 18:49.58 | ckknight | or maybe I'm thinking of OnMouseUp |
| 18:50.01 | ckknight | yea, I am |
| 18:50.04 | buu | Cool. |
| 18:50.06 | ckknight | OnLeave should always be called |
| 18:50.11 | ckknight | I think... |
| 18:51.01 | ckknight | cncfanatics: ping |
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| 18:51.49 | ckknight | cncfanatics: I can't reproduce ROCK-15 |
| 18:51.50 | Funkeh` | Where do you got to further poisons and lockpicking above 120 on horde side |
| 18:52.06 | Funkeh` | go* |
| 18:52.08 | Dotted | Funkeh` you ask your rogue trainer :p |
| 18:52.18 | Funkeh` | Dotted: He doesn't say |
| 18:52.23 | Dotted | :/ |
| 18:52.28 | buu | ckknight: I'm trying to modify an addon that creates a small little window. I notice it has a Frame object and a Window object. I Want to change the size of the "window" that's being drawn. Am I right in assuming I just want to do frame:SetHeight ? |
| 18:52.29 | Funkeh` | He says goto hillsbrad and I trained it max, he still says that |
| 18:52.46 | ckknight | probably. |
| 18:52.47 | Funkeh` | Maybe I need a certain character level? |
| 18:52.49 | ckknight | but not necessarily |
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| 18:52.59 | kenlyric | well, is it maxed? |
| 18:53.16 | buu | ckknight: Uh oh. |
| 18:53.24 | kenlyric | or did you stop getting skillups at hillsbrad? |
| 18:53.29 | Dotted | Funkeh` http://www.wowwiki.com/Lockpicking#Footlockers |
| 18:53.30 | Funkeh` | maxed at 120 both poisons and lockpicking |
| 18:53.36 | ckknight | because, buu, sometimes height is determined by what it's anchored to |
| 18:53.44 | Dotted | then you need to level Funkeh` |
| 18:53.51 | kenlyric | uh, are you level 24? |
| 18:53.55 | Funkeh` | yes |
| 18:53.58 | kenlyric | fail |
| 18:54.03 | kenlyric | nooooooooob |
| 18:54.08 | Funkeh` | What do I need? |
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| 18:54.13 | Ominous | Funkeh`: it incerases by 5 every level |
| 18:54.14 | kenlyric | to level |
| 18:54.21 | Funkeh` | oh |
| 18:54.23 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 18:54.23 | kenlyric | it's just like weapon skills, 5 per level |
| 18:54.29 | Funkeh` | Right |
| 18:54.31 | Funkeh` | thanks |
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| 18:55.33 | buu | ckknight: Uh oh. |
| 18:55.39 | ckknight | what? |
| 18:55.52 | buu | ckknight: But I can just use ClearAllPoints, right? |
| 18:56.23 | ckknight | I suppose, but that could fuck things up |
| 18:56.28 | ckknight | just make sure you know what you're doing |
| 18:56.35 | buu | I have no clue! =] |
| 18:56.58 | buu | ckknight: Essentially what I'm trying to do is, onMouseEnter, move the 'window' to the center of the screen and make it say, 500px/500px |
| 18:57.06 | ckknight | k... |
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| 18:58.07 | buu | ckknight: So I'm just doing, this:SetHeight, this:SetWidth and so forth.. but when I mouse out, I want it to return to the previous area |
| 18:58.34 | ckknight | okay |
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| 18:59.51 | Speeddymon | having a problem with the download site building my zip again... |
| 19:00.21 | Speeddymon | in svn, the locale files are in their own folder, in the zips, they are put in the root folder of the addon |
| 19:00.55 | buu | ckknight: So can I use frame:GetPoint; save those return values, use GetHeight and GetWidth, and just pass those values back when I want to restore the position? |
| 19:01.03 | ckknight | yes. |
| 19:01.11 | ckknight | theoretically |
| 19:01.26 | buu | Uh oh. |
| 19:01.48 | buu | It's always a bad sign when people say that |
| 19:02.21 | Mikk | buu: for a complete restore, you want to do getnumpoints, retreive all points and store them. And determine which of SetHeight and GetHeight you really need to run . |
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| 19:02.55 | buu | Mikk: Erm. |
| 19:03.06 | Mikk | Consider for instance if your frame is anchored on the left to FrameA and to the right to FrameB and is meant to fill a space between them when they move or size |
| 19:03.20 | Mikk | And then you just plop it back and anchor it to A and fix the size. |
| 19:03.33 | Mikk | It all depends which frames you're doing this to of course |
| 19:03.40 | Speeddymon | oh yea i guess it would help to mention that the addon that is exhibiting the problem is CooldownTimers2 |
| 19:03.49 | buu | Mikk: I'm doing it to the window(s) created by Assessment.. |
| 19:04.03 | buu | Mikk: By 'window' of course I mean the little rectangle I see drawn on my screen. |
| 19:04.08 | Mikk | So check up on how they are anchored and you'll know |
| 19:04.31 | buu | Would you mind elaborating? |
| 19:04.59 | Mikk | A window can be anchored in more than one point |
| 19:05.06 | Mikk | It's not necessarily just one point + width + height |
| 19:05.13 | Mikk | It can be anchored in several points |
| 19:05.14 | buu | Also, where can I find documentation for GetNumPoints ? |
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| 19:05.20 | Mikk | wowwiki of course |
| 19:05.24 | buu | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 19:05.30 | Mikk | eys |
| 19:05.30 | Speeddymon | so can someone tell me what i am doing wrong that is causing the zips to be built wrong? |
| 19:05.31 | Mikk | yes |
| 19:05.31 | buu | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=API_Region_GetNumPoints&action=edit |
| 19:05.32 | buu | =[ |
| 19:05.57 | Mikk | Region:GetNumPoints() - Get the number of anchor points for this frame |
| 19:05.58 | Mikk | it returns an integer |
| 19:06.12 | Mikk | doesn't really need much doc :P |
| 19:06.13 | buu | Ohhhh, duh, I see. |
| 19:06.28 | Mikk | Region:GetPoint(pointNum) <- see, this one takes a number too |
| 19:06.52 | buu | Yeah yeah |
| 19:07.13 | buu | Is it zero indexed? |
| 19:08.14 | Mikk | no |
| 19:08.18 | Mikk | one indexed |
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| 19:08.31 | buu | Is everything one indexed? |
| 19:08.56 | Mikk | umm.. i'll put it this way: i don't remember seeing something zero indexed |
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| 19:09.17 | Speeddymon | ok i just found ziplist.wau .. but that isnt in the svn.. the ziplist.wau has the files in the wrong place.. |
| 19:09.45 | Speeddymon | how do i get the files to the right place? again, svn has them proper.. but the zips arent being built that way.. |
| 19:10.12 | Fisker- | gah |
| 19:10.17 | buu | Mikk: Er, including basic array type thingies? |
| 19:11.19 | Mikk | yep |
| 19:11.32 | Mikk | table.insert(emptytable, "foo") inserts "foo" at position 1 |
| 19:11.42 | Mikk | strings are also one indexed |
| 19:12.05 | Mikk | of course, if you're constructing your array manually, you're free to zeroindex them |
| 19:12.34 | Mikk | though for the sanity of everyone else reading your code i'd suggest one-indexing them :o) |
| 19:12.42 | buu | Mikk: Wait, tare tables arrays or.. "Dictionaries" ? |
| 19:13.39 | ckknight | they work as both |
| 19:13.49 | ckknight | but conceptually, they're dictionaries |
| 19:13.50 | buu | Oh. Good. |
| 19:13.57 | buu | I was really missing that in my life =[ |
| 19:14.24 | Mikk | they just happen to have builtin logic that makes them work efficiently as one-indexed arrays |
| 19:14.38 | Mikk | where you can insert and remove positions and have higher ones renumbered |
| 19:15.10 | Mikk | (this is all via the table.insert / table.remove functions) |
| 19:15.26 | Mikk | i'd highly recommend reading Programming In Lua |
| 19:15.30 | buu | Mikk: Is this sort of thing only active if you're using actual numbers? |
| 19:15.30 | Mikk | ~pil |
| 19:15.31 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, pil is Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 19:15.50 | Mikk | buu: it's only active if you're using table.insert and table.remove |
| 19:15.57 | Mikk | it's not something that just happens |
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| 19:16.20 | buu | Wacky. |
| 19:16.26 | Mikk | not really |
| 19:16.43 | Mikk | Fundamentally, tables are dictionaries / hashes |
| 19:16.52 | Mikk | if you want them to emulate arrays, you use table.insert / table.remove |
| 19:17.47 | buu | What's wrong with having two different datastructures?! |
| 19:21.16 | dylanm | buu: There probably isn't. The designers just figured that the two patterns (well, more than that really) could be rolled up into one. |
| 19:21.17 | Mikk | because Lua is designed to have as small memory footprint as possible |
| 19:22.07 | Mikk | either way, i actually like being able to mix array-style and hash style in the same table |
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| 19:30.53 | buu | Mikk: This way lies php land. |
| 19:31.01 | buu | Anyway |
| 19:31.11 | buu | Is there any easy way to position my frame in the middle of the screen? |
| 19:33.20 | Arrowmaster` | :SetPoint() accepts "CENTER" |
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| 19:34.38 | buu | Arrowmaster: Oh. So I can just get away with :SetPoint("CENTER",nil) ? |
| 19:35.43 | Arrowmaster | frame:SetPoint("CENTER", UIParent) |
| 19:35.49 | dylanm | buu: First time I've ever heard Lua likened to that abomination. |
| 19:36.14 | buu | dylanm: I'm quite talented that way. |
| 19:36.26 | buu | Arrowmaster: The wiki claims I can pass nil as the second argument.. |
| 19:36.57 | buu | And when I'm "resetting" the object, I'm iterating over my previously stored "Points", do I still need to call SetHeight and SetWidth with the previous values? |
| 19:37.21 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Region_SetPoint |
| 19:38.03 | buu | Arrowmaster: That's what I'm looking at it |
| 19:38.12 | buu | Name of, or reference to, a frame to attach obj to; or nil to anchor relative to obj's parent (if no parent exists, anchor reative to the whole screen). |
| 19:38.25 | dylanm | buu: If you want to be incredibly minimal you can just do f:SetPoint"CENTER" |
| 19:38.31 | buu | dylanm: Hot. |
| 19:38.40 | Arrowmaster | oh god |
| 19:38.47 | buu | So I've come up with this (probably monstrosity): http://ace.pastey.net/73916 |
| 19:38.54 | buu | dylanm: Lua let's me omit parens?! |
| 19:39.01 | buu | Er, lets |
| 19:39.12 | Arrowmaster | it does if theres only one argument |
| 19:39.29 | Arrowmaster | almost nobody does that though |
| 19:39.32 | dylanm | buu: Not really. Not in the way that, say, Ruby does. If you have only one argument and it's a string or a literal table you can get away with it. I was mostly joking :p |
| 19:39.37 | buu | =[ |
| 19:39.44 | buu | Empty parens make me cry on the inside. |
| 19:39.46 | Zariel | lol at this mediadefnder |
| 19:39.53 | Zariel | make me laugh a little inside |
| 19:40.10 | buu | dylanm: Examine my monstrosity! |
| 19:40.28 | dylanm | buu: The trouble with doing away with empty parenthesis calls is that you have to build in something to handle passing the function as just a value. Ruby gets slightly ugly in that area. |
| 19:40.52 | buu | dylanm: Well, this is true, but I call functions far more often than I pass them around. |
| 19:42.25 | buu | dylanm: Anyway, do I need to call SetHeight/Width after I've reset the anchor positions? |
| 19:43.20 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49034 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: |
| 19:43.20 | CIA-22 | LibRockConfig-1.0 - ROCK-17 |
| 19:43.20 | CIA-22 | - add a simple minimap button. |
| 19:47.37 | *** part/#wowace Amadeo (n=amadeo@c-69-137-156-71.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 19:48.42 | buu | Well that's interesting. |
| 19:48.44 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight 07Rock * r49035 10FuBar/FuBar/FuBar.toc: FuBar - add X-IssueTracker |
| 19:49.52 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49036 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: |
| 19:49.52 | CIA-22 | LibRockConfig-1.0 - ROCK-17 |
| 19:49.52 | CIA-22 | - make minimap button in the top-left instead of the far-right |
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| 19:51.12 | aestil | ckknight: ty for adding strata option to pitbull. |
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| 19:51.23 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight 07Rock * r49037 10FuBar/FuBar/embeds.xml: |
| 19:51.23 | CIA-22 | FuBar - FUB-4 |
| 19:51.23 | CIA-22 | - use <Include> instead of <Script> when loading xml files. |
| 19:51.28 | ckknight | aestil: good times |
| 19:51.43 | aestil | i feel like there should be that option in every mod. |
| 19:52.39 | cncfanatics | ckknight, looked into the bug I gave ya yet ? |
| 19:52.42 | CIA-22 | 03diablohu * r49038 10AtlasLoot/Constants/constants.cn.lua: |
| 19:52.42 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot: |
| 19:52.42 | CIA-22 | - zhCN fixed |
| 19:53.45 | buu | Hrm. I seem to have found a design flaw. Howell. |
| 19:53.47 | ckknight | cncfanatics: yes, and I told you I couldn't reproduce. scroll up |
| 19:53.57 | cncfanatics | oh, my bad |
| 19:54.04 | cncfanatics | let me try again then |
| 19:55.01 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight 07Rock * r49039 10FuBar/FuBar/ (embeds.xml libs/): |
| 19:55.01 | CIA-22 | FuBar - FUB-5 |
| 19:55.01 | CIA-22 | - add LibRockConfig-1.0 to embeds. |
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| 19:56.22 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49040 10LibDogTag-2.0/LibDogTag-2.0.lua: |
| 19:56.22 | CIA-22 | LibDogTag-2.0 - COW-13 |
| 19:56.22 | CIA-22 | - make it so that ?? shows up as red instead of gray. |
| 19:57.09 | ckknight | cncfanatics: or at least tell me how to reproduce it |
| 19:57.13 | cncfanatics | ok, checkout out FB2 branch & removed my FlexBar2.lua savedbars |
| 19:57.22 | cncfanatics | let me check how it goes |
| 19:57.38 | Fisker- | http://developersdevelopersdevelopers.dk/SC2/ <-btw SC2 Terran gameplay movie up |
| 19:57.42 | Fisker- | the one played at Blizzcon i guess |
| 19:58.03 | cncfanatics | hmmm, I hope SC2 is gonna be good |
| 19:58.36 | art3mis | dear god a 665m compressed avi demo? |
| 19:58.42 | Lothaer | is any1 here familure with Titan? |
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| 19:59.07 | cncfanatics | hmmm ckknight, did u rename AddChatCommand ? |
| 19:59.10 | ckknight | Lothaer: a big reason I wrote FuBar was because Titan had absolutely no good documentation |
| 19:59.13 | ckknight | cncfanatics: oh, yes, I did |
| 19:59.16 | ckknight | AddSlashCommand |
| 19:59.23 | ckknight | I also left a message through purl for you about that |
| 19:59.34 | ckknight | I figured change it early instead of supporting both later |
| 19:59.36 | cncfanatics | purl didnt tell me :o |
| 19:59.43 | buu | Oh damn, that's a problem. |
| 20:00.07 | cncfanatics | ok ckknight |
| 20:00.11 | cncfanatics | I just loaded up FB2 |
| 20:00.15 | Fisker- | art3mis it's HD and it's like 30 minutes |
| 20:00.19 | cncfanatics | removed my old savedvars from the Ace2v ersion |
| 20:00.20 | Fisker- | also art3mis |
| 20:00.26 | Fisker- | have you played Fortress Forever? |
| 20:00.32 | buu | I just know there's no way to do this, but I have to ask. Is there anyway to move the mouse cursor with the power of the lua? |
| 20:00.37 | cncfanatics | when I do /dump FlexBar2.db.profile i get {} instead of the defaults |
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| 20:01.23 | cncfanatics | http://ace.pastey.net/73917 is the code that handles my database stuff |
| 20:02.15 | Fisker- | art3mis DO IT |
| 20:03.08 | ckknight | cncfanatics: okay |
| 20:03.10 | CIA-22 | 03ricowan * r49041 10FuBar_PetFu/PetFu.lua: FuBar_PetFu: - Fixed XPBar width bug when current XP is zero |
| 20:03.11 | cncfanatics | ckknight, am I doing something wrong with my database stuff ? |
| 20:03.20 | ckknight | cncfanatics: not that I can see, I'll take a look |
| 20:04.02 | buu | Argh. So close. |
| 20:04.04 | cncfanatics | ok thanks |
| 20:04.14 | cncfanatics | think the best way would be to checkout FB2 and run the tests there ? |
| 20:04.16 | buu | ckknight: Help! |
| 20:04.29 | ckknight | buu: I hope you realize that I'm rather busy |
| 20:04.38 | ckknight | you can't move the cursor with lua |
| 20:04.41 | buu | =[ |
| 20:05.54 | cncfanatics | would be too easy to automate actions that way |
| 20:06.06 | cncfanatics | just move the cursor over the action the player should cast, and he spamclicks :) |
| 20:06.32 | ckknight | lol |
| 20:06.36 | ckknight | yea |
| 20:06.47 | buu | Yeah, I guess so =[ |
| 20:06.55 | buu | But this is completely ruining my amazing interface. |
| 20:07.13 | ckknight | what is it, btw? |
| 20:07.15 | Skyboat | make a visual alert so you know where to click |
| 20:07.22 | buu | ckknight: Are you familiar with assessment? |
| 20:07.33 | buu | Skyboat: Heh, one of those dunking birds to click the mouse sort of thing |
| 20:07.40 | ckknight | yea |
| 20:07.57 | kenlyric | i've just increased my productivity 300% |
| 20:08.05 | ckknight | cncfanatics: pastey the code in question, I can't seem to reproduce your bug |
| 20:08.20 | buu | ckknight: Well I modified it so when you mouse over the window, ideally in a small out of the way location, it grows dramatically and centers itself on your screen |
| 20:08.48 | buu | ckknight: The idea being that you can just have a small display window to keep track of summaries, but when you're interested in details it zooms in and stuff. |
| 20:08.59 | art3mis | Fisker-: nope i havent, only game ive played against others aside from wow was starcraft lan parties |
| 20:09.11 | cncfanatics | ckknight, try checking out FB2 ? |
| 20:09.11 | buu | ckknight: Of course the problem here is that when you mouse over the window.. it moves away from your mouse! |
| 20:09.18 | cncfanatics | just load it, and then do /dump FlexBar2.db.profile |
| 20:09.19 | art3mis | errr i mean "gurgle gurgle *clutches at throat* |
| 20:09.22 | cncfanatics | should give ya an empty table |
| 20:09.31 | buu | So it triggers the onmouseout and resizes itself.. to where the mouse is, so it expands.. and so on. |
| 20:09.50 | buu | I guess the obvious answer... |
| 20:10.27 | Rayden | this guy says 100mp5 for spriest for boss fights |
| 20:10.35 | Rayden | that's a lot, 4 times what i have |
| 20:10.51 | Fisker- | ok art3mis |
| 20:11.01 | Fisker- | just saw some N00B in Fortress Forever called art3mis |
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| 20:11.04 | Zariel | why do shadowpriests need mana regen o.0 |
| 20:11.05 | Fisker- | could've been you |
| 20:11.13 | JoshBorke | Zariel: because they go oom? |
| 20:11.14 | Fisker- | especially since you stopped and look at me for some seconds |
| 20:11.14 | cncfanatics | spelldmg is a spriest's mana regen ? |
| 20:11.32 | Zariel | i thought priests > vamp touch = mana |
| 20:11.37 | art3mis | Fisker-: tell him he's a bastard and to get off my nick ;P |
| 20:11.37 | Rayden | some |
| 20:11.39 | Rayden | not enough |
| 20:11.48 | Fisker- | it was earlier today |
| 20:11.51 | Rayden | for a 10 min fight |
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| 20:12.49 | cncfanatics | ckknight, managed to reproduce it yet ? its a weird bug |
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| 20:13.12 | ckknight | keep yer kilt on |
| 20:13.16 | ckknight | I get the AddChatCommand error :-P |
| 20:13.20 | cncfanatics | :p |
| 20:13.29 | cncfanatics | change it to addslashcommand, didnt commit that |
| 20:13.43 | cncfanatics | line 250 for addchatcommand thingy |
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| 20:14.28 | Fisker- | NOOOOOOOO |
| 20:14.35 | Fisker- | the terran movie is only failure multiplayer |
| 20:14.38 | Fisker- | i hate you blizzard! |
| 20:14.45 | ckknight | ? |
| 20:14.45 | ckknight | what? |
| 20:15.02 | Fisker- | they showed off the coolest Singleplayer walk-through @ Blizzcon |
| 20:15.07 | Fisker- | with the terran campaign |
| 20:15.22 | buu | Fisker-: What singleplayer was that? |
| 20:15.32 | Fisker- | terran? |
| 20:15.43 | buu | Er. |
| 20:16.35 | buu | Fisker-: I didn't notice anything that looked very single player |
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| 20:17.13 | kenlyric | ehhh, multiplayer folks still have SC1. |
| 20:17.18 | Fisker- | then you suck? :I |
| 20:17.29 | ckknight | um, cncfanatics |
| 20:17.31 | Fisker- | they had a 20-30 minute walkthrough of the terran campaign |
| 20:17.35 | cncfanatics | yea ckknight ? |
| 20:17.40 | ckknight | you're lame |
| 20:17.45 | ckknight | this is all your fault. |
| 20:17.47 | cncfanatics | I am ? tell me what I did wrong :) |
| 20:17.53 | Fisker- | showed of their new campaign screen as well as the "mission"-map |
| 20:18.05 | Fisker- | the campaign screen is like some kind of point-and-click adventure |
| 20:18.20 | Fisker- | and the mission-map is a starmap over different planets that you can have missions in |
| 20:18.41 | kenlyric | so, I'm self-taught on a couple language (mostly just perl) but think I need more strenuous training on how to write programs well (efficiency, etc). Any recommend any good books in that regard? |
| 20:18.46 | buu | Fisker-: I guess I noticed a bit of that, what about it? |
| 20:18.56 | Fisker- | it was an awesome display |
| 20:18.59 | Fisker- | want highres version of it |
| 20:19.12 | buu | kenlyric: Have you read Higher Order Perl? |
| 20:19.16 | Mikk | kenlyric: to be quite honest, i've never heard of a good book on how to program efficiently |
| 20:19.19 | kenlyric | as long as the map allows zoom. |
| 20:19.19 | buu | kenlyric: Or Perl Best Practices? |
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| 20:20.27 | nogudnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.55 | buu | Ok. So. New problem. Is there anyway to determine the nearest edge of the screen? |
| 20:21.14 | Pkekyo|aw | gas mask fetish has got to be one of the weirdest fucking things 'round O.o |
| 20:21.36 | kenlyric | thanks for the suggestions. |
| 20:22.06 | RogueShadow | Pkekyo|aw wrong channel? |
| 20:22.18 | ckknight | kenlyric: I really recommend The Pragmatic Programmer |
| 20:22.20 | kenlyric | I should probably learn a new language too. |
| 20:22.28 | Pkekyo|aw | RogueShadow: no, not really... |
| 20:22.45 | Pkekyo | howso? |
| 20:23.07 | RogueShadow | Just making sure. |
| 20:23.20 | Pkekyo | haha |
| 20:23.28 | Rayden | at how much +shadow should i start worrying about getting 76 hit? |
| 20:23.40 | Pkekyo | seriously though...you gotta be seriously twisted to get off on gas masks |
| 20:23.50 | kenlyric | Rayden: shadowpriest? |
| 20:24.13 | kenlyric | cause, ASAP. |
| 20:24.44 | Rayden | sorry yeah spriest |
| 20:24.53 | Rayden | !cu us destromath raydenuni |
| 20:25.26 | RogueShadow | Pkekyo: What world have you been living in? Mine is pretty twisted. |
| 20:25.27 | Rayden | !c us destromath raydenuni |
| 20:25.29 | ThraeBot | Rayden: Raydenuni, Level 70 Troll Priest (13/2/46). 7461 HP; 8145 Mana; 181 mana regen; 27 mp5; 115 spell crit; 29 spell hit; 437 +spell dmg/heal; 50 frost dmg (487); 89 shadow dmg (526); 5.06% dodge; +3 all resists;[[ TBR: 1303 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yoe69x ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3xsogf ][ Updated: Sun Sep 16 16:38:42 2007 EST ]] |
| 20:25.30 | Rayden | !help |
| 20:25.45 | Rayden | 526 shadow, 29 hit |
| 20:26.13 | kenlyric | okay, maybe you need a bit more shadow damage :) |
| 20:26.25 | Pkekyo | RogueShadow: my own I guess....and it's rather twisted...but getting off on gas masks is still some outlandish shit in my eyes |
| 20:26.30 | Rayden | ok just making sure |
| 20:26.36 | Rayden | i still have 2 pieces of shadow's embrace to get |
| 20:26.44 | Rayden | waist and rings are green still |
| 20:26.46 | RogueShadow | k |
| 20:27.45 | kenlyric | but honestly, maxing your hit quickly is important as an spriest... because when something gets resisted, it throws off your whole cycle. |
| 20:28.01 | aestil | you hshoudl be hit capped before you start worrying about +dmg |
| 20:28.03 | Rayden | oh like if VT gets resisted? |
| 20:28.11 | Eggi | you only need 6% so it's not so hard to get |
| 20:28.55 | kenlyric | vt, mf, sw:p |
| 20:28.55 | sb | swd! |
| 20:29.17 | Rayden | why does it matter if swd gets resisted? |
| 20:29.21 | Rayden | just continue with MB and then MF |
| 20:29.21 | Eggi | you have nearly enough +hit if you get the spellstrike set |
| 20:29.29 | buu | God I wish I only needed 76 hit |
| 20:29.31 | Rayden | spellstrike is beyond my means right now |
| 20:29.36 | Rayden | about 1200g towards my mount |
| 20:29.36 | Eggi | maybe gladiator weapon |
| 20:29.57 | Rayden | i'm working towards getting the lower city mace |
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| 20:30.16 | Rayden | gladiator weapon is for arena? |
| 20:30.30 | Eggi | no |
| 20:30.34 | Rayden | bg? |
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| 20:30.45 | Eggi | you can use it everywhere... |
| 20:30.46 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight 07Rock * r49042 10FlexBar2/FlexBar2/Core.lua: |
| 20:30.46 | CIA-22 | FlexBar2 - cache OO metatables. |
| 20:30.46 | CIA-22 | - change :AddChatCommand => :AddSlashCommand |
| 20:30.50 | Eggi | but you get it with arena points |
| 20:30.52 | xyu` | you buy it from arena points |
| 20:30.53 | Rayden | where do you get it? ok |
| 20:31.53 | Rayden | ooh gladiator gavel |
| 20:34.45 | CIA-22 | 03saroz * r49043 10BigWigs/TheEye/Kaelthas.lua: BigWigs: Tweak wording |
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| 20:38.35 | Rayden | do the AV rewards really suck? |
| 20:38.44 | Rayden | this shows the staff gives +15 spell |
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| 20:40.11 | buu | Rayden: They're rather old. |
| 20:40.33 | CIA-22 | 03cncfanatics 07Rock * r49044 10FlexBar2/FlexBar2/ (4 files in 4 dirs): FlexBar2: Final tweaks, should be working perfect |
| 20:40.46 | Rayden | is it worth playing BG to get gear? |
| 20:40.55 | Rayden | or does it pale compared to arena? |
| 20:41.14 | kenlyric | if you can get an arena team, do arean. |
| 20:41.28 | kenlyric | the best BG gear will be two-season-old arena gear. |
| 20:41.32 | kenlyric | :) |
| 20:41.40 | CIA-22 | 03cncfanatics * r49045 10cyCircled/plugins/FlexBar2.lua: cyCircled: Work with both Ace2 & Rock versions |
| 20:42.20 | Rayden | is the newer arena stuff better? |
| 20:42.48 | kenlyric | season 3 will be t6 |
| 20:43.02 | kenlyric | or is season 2? |
| 20:43.07 | Rayden | no one in my guild wants to get into arena |
| 20:43.12 | kenlyric | i don't play close attention. |
| 20:44.52 | aestil | i'm a SP but i have 178 +hit |
| 20:45.01 | aestil | the talents are really nice, but they still suck. |
| 20:45.09 | aestil | the faster you can get out of them the better. |
| 20:45.14 | aestil | i only need 1/5 now. |
| 20:45.21 | aestil | 1060+dmg |
| 20:45.37 | Rayden | what do you mean get out of the talents? |
| 20:45.41 | aestil | 3/5 Imp MB and 4/5 mental agility |
| 20:45.49 | aestil | i don't need them for 16% hit |
| 20:45.50 | Rayden | oh to get other stuff |
| 20:45.54 | Rayden | instead of yeah |
| 20:45.55 | aestil | 16% hit is like 202 +hit. |
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| 20:47.42 | kenlyric | aestil: are you absolutely sure giving up that much shadow damage is paid off in other talents? what's your build? |
| 20:48.05 | kenlyric | i've rarely seen fewer than 2/5 hit. |
| 20:48.34 | Rayden | 16.66 hit per shadow focus |
| 20:48.39 | Lothaer | AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE |
| 20:48.45 | Rayden | that's above 76 hit |
| 20:49.33 | kenlyric | oy oy oy! |
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| 20:49.58 | Stan__ | aestil: can i have the link to your armory profile pls? |
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| 20:57.10 | Speeddymon | anyone mind telling me how I can get files.wowace.com to not put my locale files in the rood addon folder? in svn, they are located in their own folder, but the zip's have them in both places... cooldowntimers2 is the addon |
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| 21:01.57 | Funkeh` | gnight folks |
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| 21:07.08 | Ironhand | is there a prepackaged .zip available for BigWigs that has the pre-BC modules included as well? |
| 21:07.33 | Ominous | BigWigs_MC etc from files.wowace.com afaik |
| 21:08.17 | Ironhand | well, I'm hoping to not have to get all the separate ones, but if that's the only way it'll have to do |
| 21:08.52 | Tinyboom | anyone got a tip on ntfs partition gone Raw? stupid disk went TU and has my "wtf" & addon folder.... want them back.... |
| 21:08.53 | aestil | stan: aestil on darkspear US |
| 21:09.00 | aestil | it won't have my normal set though. |
| 21:09.09 | aestil | right now its S2 mace + starheart lamp |
| 21:09.12 | Ironhand | (I do it through WAU myself but am packaging it for a guild addon pack) |
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| 21:10.24 | aestil | well, right now thats what I'm wearing, it won't show that. I'm hoping i can get the heroic trinket tommorow or today. |
| 21:11.20 | Shirik | Tinyboom: sure |
| 21:11.30 | Shirik | Go to www.ultimatebootcd.com get that CD, boot to it |
| 21:11.35 | art3mis | Tinyboom: you can "try" getting that system recovery disc on distrowatch thats linux based to gain access to said drive. the other, albiet no so good way, would be to mount it in linux and change the file system type back... there's a very good chance that itll go poof though. |
| 21:11.36 | Shirik | on it, you'll find a tool called.... |
| 21:12.08 | Shirik | You can try active@ partiion recovery, but there's another tool on there better imho |
| 21:12.14 | Shirik | I think it's called finddisk or something like that |
| 21:12.27 | Shirik | both can do a raw scan of your HDD to try to guess at the partition and bring it back |
| 21:12.43 | art3mis | once a partition has changed filesystem types if the MBR is still intact you can revert and it may possibly correct it as well |
| 21:12.56 | art3mis | but its really ugly ;P |
| 21:16.37 | Tinyboom | ye, have tried before, went really bad and yelled at the disk and threw it quite far out the window*:p |
| 21:16.56 | Tinyboom | thanks for the tips, trying 2 recovery tools atm, letting them chew a little first:p |
| 21:17.49 | aestil | kenlyric the stuff I have +hit on is epic stuff thats the best i can get. |
| 21:18.05 | aestil | I am not a tailor. |
| 21:18.44 | aestil | and i'm able to get 4/5 metnal power, makes SW:P only 529 mana, SW:D only 284 mana |
| 21:19.44 | aestil | and 3/5 imp MB. 6.5 sec cooldown. which, isn't ideal [6 is better] but i need a bit more +hit to make that happen. |
| 21:20.51 | aestil | its probably not BEST. i'd prolly rather have 1400 + dmg and take the +hit talents. but its making the best of what I have. |
| 21:21.02 | Guillotine | I find 3/5 imp MB to be ideal |
| 21:21.10 | Guillotine | if I have any more it just sits doing nothing while MF finishes |
| 21:21.38 | aestil | hmm. i'll check it out. next week. i just recently changed the spec to go 3/5. |
| 21:22.21 | aestil | i really like mental power right now. |
| 21:22.24 | Guillotine | my priest currently has 5/5 imp MB, and its just too much |
| 21:22.39 | aestil | yeah, 5/5 is probably overkill. |
| 21:22.55 | aestil | i'm really carebear spec. i don't have silence. |
| 21:22.56 | kenlyric | yeah, six seconds is sorta not ideal. |
| 21:23.37 | kenlyric | i'd almost rather go for a 3 spell rotation with 5/5 impmb |
| 21:24.00 | aestil | thats prolly OOM too quick, even with chaining Super Mana Pots. |
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| 21:25.26 | kenlyric | possibly. |
| 21:25.56 | kenlyric | you have to be really good to make 6.5 second rotation work well. |
| 21:28.39 | Eggi | 4/5 is imo the best for raiding in imp mb |
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| 21:32.47 | aestil | well, with 3/5 i just feel like i have no better place to put the points. |
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| 21:33.06 | aestil | i could get imp PS and silence maybe isntead, but thats for sure no increase in raid damage |
| 21:33.15 | aestil | i could get 5/5 instead of 4/5 of shadow weaving. |
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| 21:33.19 | aestil | but there are 2 SP's in my raids. |
| 21:33.22 | aestil | so i don't need it. |
| 21:33.35 | Rayden | how far into disc do you get? |
| 21:33.37 | Rayden | mental agility? |
| 21:33.42 | aestil | exactly 4/5 metnal agility. |
| 21:33.52 | aestil | pretty much can't spend anymore without giving up stuff i want in shadow. |
| 21:34.04 | aestil | 19/0/42 |
| 21:34.41 | aestil | i could get imp VE, but i'm just so 'meh' on VE, only a few fights where its useful, and many fights where its a bad idea. |
| 21:35.02 | Rayden | eh |
| 21:35.11 | Rayden | i dont think mental agility is worth it for me |
| 21:35.20 | Rayden | takes too many "ugh" disc points |
| 21:35.29 | Rayden | why would VE be a bad idea? |
| 21:35.30 | aestil | if i didn't get it, i would be getting basically PvP talents. |
| 21:35.30 | Chompers | it's fantastic for long fights aestil |
| 21:35.37 | Rayden | just getting threat on everything? |
| 21:35.39 | kenlyric | well, you're going to be 14 deep in that tree anyway. |
| 21:35.44 | aestil | too many threat sensitive fights. |
| 21:35.50 | aestil | too little way to shed aggro. |
| 21:35.56 | Rayden | actually |
| 21:36.07 | Rayden | i think i picked most everything i nneed and i only need 64 for this... |
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| 21:36.16 | aestil | can't use it on morrogrim, can't really on hydross, can't on VR |
| 21:36.22 | aestil | its great on Leo. |
| 21:36.26 | aestil | great on FLK |
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| 21:36.50 | aestil | i just don't particularly care either way. i'd rather save 8% of my mana on every SW:P and SW:D |
| 21:37.12 | aestil | rayden, link incoming? |
| 21:37.16 | Rayden | yeah |
| 21:37.20 | Rayden | i put 3 into IMB |
| 21:37.25 | Rayden | but i still got 3 points |
| 21:37.32 | Rayden | last time i did this i put them into shadow power |
| 21:37.36 | Rayden | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=rVMhzhZZxGgzMtRhtAo |
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| 21:37.51 | aestil | i have 5/5 SP |
| 21:37.55 | Saroz | [Ammo] <3 |
| 21:37.55 | aestil | how can you not? |
| 21:37.58 | Chompers | are you raiding aestil? |
| 21:38.07 | Rayden | its just crit... |
| 21:38.07 | aestil | it improves the mana effiency of MB and SW:D dramatically |
| 21:38.09 | aestil | yes. |
| 21:38.23 | Rayden | 2 spells and one of those spells hurts you |
| 21:38.30 | Chompers | our shadow priest has ve |
| 21:38.30 | Rayden | not a huge deal, but a downside |
| 21:38.33 | Chompers | i think he likes it |
| 21:38.38 | Rayden | you HAVE to have VE... |
| 21:38.43 | Rayden | you don't really have a choice |
| 21:38.50 | Rayden | its a prereq for shadowform |
| 21:38.56 | aestil | i have VE. |
| 21:39.05 | kenlyric | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bVMhzhZZxGxpMLohtEo fixed for raiding. |
| 21:39.06 | Rayden | if you are a shadowpriest you have VE |
| 21:39.11 | Rayden | there is no other way |
| 21:39.18 | Rayden | dangit |
| 21:39.21 | Rayden | xchat finally bugged |
| 21:39.25 | Rayden | let me relog and then link that |
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| 21:39.51 | aestil | kenlyric: i did that for a while, but I roll with 178 +hit |
| 21:39.53 | RaydenUni | back |
| 21:39.57 | RaydenUni | link me that build |
| 21:40.02 | kenlyric | then you just get more points to play with. |
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| 21:40.05 | aestil | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bVMhzhZZxGxpMLohtEo |
| 21:40.16 | kenlyric | as you drop SF you can put them in more fun places |
| 21:40.41 | aestil | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bVMrzhLZZxGouMLohtEo is my spec |
| 21:40.48 | aestil | exactly :) |
| 21:40.51 | RaydenUni | i'm doing 5 mans |
| 21:40.58 | RaydenUni | so i find silence to be pretty useful |
| 21:41.10 | aestil | silence is useless in raids. |
| 21:41.21 | kenlyric | 5 mans have bosses with normal levels, like 71 and 72, right? |
| 21:41.29 | RaydenUni | yeah |
| 21:41.35 | RaydenUni | i use it for helping with pulls |
| 21:41.38 | kenlyric | and mobs that respond to blackout |
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| 21:41.54 | RaydenUni | yeah i get blackout sometimes |
| 21:41.57 | RaydenUni | i need to respec |
| 21:42.07 | RaydenUni | right now i have some sort of retarded leveling franken-spec |
| 21:42.25 | kenlyric | frankenberry? |
| 21:42.39 | kenlyric | armory link, I want to laugh. |
| 21:42.40 | RaydenUni | !help |
| 21:42.55 | RaydenUni | !fc us destromath raydenuni |
| 21:42.56 | ThraeBot | RaydenUni: Raydenuni, Level 70 Priest (13/2/46). 7461 HP; 8145 Mana; +2.3% spell hit; +115 spell crit rating; 526 +shadow. |
| 21:42.58 | RaydenUni | dangit |
| 21:42.59 | aestil | blackout is usefull in raiding. great on Vashj Phase 2. |
| 21:43.08 | RaydenUni | !co us destromath raydenuni |
| 21:43.25 | RaydenUni | bah |
| 21:43.30 | RaydenUni | !c us destromath raydenuni |
| 21:43.30 | ThraeBot | RaydenUni: Raydenuni, Level 70 Troll Priest (13/2/46). 7461 HP; 8145 Mana; 181 mana regen; 27 mp5; 115 spell crit; 29 spell hit; 437 +spell dmg/heal; 50 frost dmg (487); 89 shadow dmg (526); 5.06% dodge; +3 all resists;[[ TBR: 1303 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yoe69x ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3xsogf ][ Updated: Sun Sep 16 16:38:42 2007 EST ]] |
| 21:43.47 | RaydenUni | its not a bad build |
| 21:43.56 | aestil | crit is good btw. its just not as good as +dmg. but its 15% crit for SP. its very nice to have MB and SW:D crit. |
| 21:43.57 | RaydenUni | i just have a few legacy points in healing from back when |
| 21:44.40 | RaydenUni | basically free up 4 points from holy and blackout to put into meditaiton and IMB |
| 21:45.19 | aestil | meditation is full of win. |
| 21:45.31 | aestil | whichi is why i'm picking up mental power actually. |
| 21:45.52 | aestil | that many pts into disc, and that close, and its hard to pass up if you can pick it up. |
| 21:46.05 | aestil | mental power only really effects 2 spells [4 techinally, also sheild and VE] |
| 21:46.15 | aestil | but it saves a nice chunk of mana on SW:P |
| 21:46.17 | RaydenUni | mental agility? |
| 21:47.11 | aestil | yeah, cheaper instant cast spells. |
| 21:47.29 | kenlyric | works on dispel, too :) |
| 21:48.23 | RaydenUni | i don't have enough space on my bars for the aoe dispel |
| 21:48.27 | RaydenUni | this is a bad thing |
| 21:48.41 | Antiarc | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aba_1189819483 |
| 21:48.42 | aestil | i'm not sold completely too it, but the other pts i spend would be PvP pts, which i don't care about. so i like my spec now. |
| 21:48.42 | Antiarc | :O :O :O |
| 21:48.47 | kenlyric | make more spaces :) |
| 21:49.49 | aestil | i don't want one antiarc |
| 21:49.54 | Antiarc | It's the first step. |
| 21:50.09 | Antiarc | Soon I'll be driving a Timberwolf down the freeway. |
| 21:51.09 | Eggi | !c eu Wrathbringer Eggii |
| 21:51.11 | ThraeBot | Eggi: Eggii, Level 70 Dwarf Priest (14/0/47). 8801 HP; 9240 Mana; 280 mana regen; 99 mp5; 119 spell crit; 122 spell hit; 982 +spell dmg; 912 +heal; 233 frost dmg (1215); 408 shadow dmg (1390); 5.62% dodge; 18 resilience; 10 frost resist (+10); +25 all resists (+10 frost);[[ TBR: 2018 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yqxvdn ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2lalzm ][ Updated: Sun Sep 16 18:04:25 2007 EST ]] |
| 21:52.21 | charon | Antiarc: have you read what i wrote earlier? |
| 21:52.31 | Antiarc | No, I ended up having to reboot blind |
| 21:52.34 | Antiarc | So I missed it |
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| 21:52.42 | Antiarc | Oh dear lord |
| 21:52.48 | Antiarc | My primary drive is 67% fragmented |
| 21:52.51 | Antiarc | That explains slow access |
| 21:52.52 | charon | i see... i asked that mage i told you about, she doesn't use DoTimer |
| 21:52.53 | kenlyric | heh |
| 21:52.58 | Antiarc | Hrm |
| 21:53.04 | kenlyric | are your mpq files fragmented 7000 times? |
| 21:53.05 | xyu` | chronometer > |
| 21:53.58 | charon | i don't think there's any point in looking "back" right now, but i'll try and get them to look at the translation dump next time it happens |
| 21:54.04 | Antiarc | Okay. |
| 21:54.29 | art3mis | i wonder if its possible to make a mod that would allow you to "look behind you" |
| 21:54.38 | art3mis | sorta likea rear view mirror in racnig games |
| 21:54.41 | art3mis | racing |
| 21:54.45 | charon | random idea i had would be "asking" for a double-check on the translation if impossible threat values happen |
| 21:54.51 | charon | no idea how much work that would be |
| 21:55.24 | Antiarc | It's tricky. The translation stuff has the potential to be imprecise due to rapid target switches and lag, but I've mitigated most of that with some timers |
| 21:55.34 | Antiarc | 2.4 is going to make it a billion times cleaner |
| 21:57.26 | aestil | i imagine the mod will be more efficient since the information should be more accesible via the default UI without having parserlib? |
| 21:57.42 | aestil | or at least, parser will be so much smaller/lighter. |
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| 21:57.59 | Antiarc | Well, the presence of mob-specific IDs is going to fix an assload of things |
| 21:58.13 | Antiarc | No more dynamic translation hacks and no more merged-per-name threat |
| 21:58.17 | Antiarc | It's going to be extremely nice |
| 21:59.13 | CIA-22 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r534 10/trunk/Quecho/ (Tracker.lua Quecho.lua Quecho.toc): Quecho - Added quest tracker frame, removed chatframe echo of objectives |
| 21:59.36 | ckknight | Antiarc: I figure it's not worth pining about what will only come true in 6 months |
| 21:59.39 | ckknight | imho |
| 21:59.55 | art3mis | you may as well remove the H ckk ;) |
| 22:00.13 | art3mis | nothing you say is humble you crazed maniacal dictator! |
| 22:00.24 | Pkekyo | In case anyone missed it: http://www.warcraftmovies.com/stream.php?id=45561 |
| 22:00.35 | Antiarc | ckknight: I'm not pining, just looking forward to it :) |
| 22:00.53 | Antiarc | Threat is "good enough" right now. Just saying that better things are coming :) |
| 22:01.36 | aestil | threat is still best available now. 2.4 will be very nice though. |
| 22:01.48 | aestil | i look forward to getting the version nubmers removed.... |
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| 22:04.44 | charon | Antiarc: hmm btw, why do you even use timers, instead of just asking the other client? |
| 22:04.51 | charon | or maybe i'm way off here |
| 22:05.35 | charon | it would tripe comms though, no idea how bad that would be |
| 22:05.54 | Antiarc | You do ask the other end |
| 22:06.04 | Antiarc | But if they're switching targets rapidly they may send back the wrong translation |
| 22:06.20 | charon | no i was thinking along another line |
| 22:06.21 | Antiarc | So we only accept translations if they've had the mob targeted for a certain amount of time to compensate for lag |
| 22:06.26 | charon | like so: |
| 22:06.40 | Antiarc | You can't verify that Joe's target right now is the same as Joe's target a moment ago |
| 22:06.45 | charon | A>B: i'm going to ask about a translation, please take note |
| 22:06.49 | charon | B>A: ok. |
| 22:06.55 | Antiarc | Well |
| 22:06.56 | charon | A>B: translate <mob> please |
| 22:07.01 | charon | B>A: <translation> |
| 22:07.06 | Antiarc | If B switches in between the time that A requests and the request reaches B... |
| 22:07.15 | Antiarc | (which was happening, BTW, in my first implementation) |
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| 22:07.27 | charon | that's the point, if B switched, it could in fact tell A |
| 22:07.45 | Antiarc | A can directly observe that and throws out any translation received under those conditions |
| 22:07.50 | Antiarc | Specifically for that reason |
| 22:07.57 | baer_ | damn! |
| 22:08.00 | Antiarc | It results in multiple translation requests sometimes, but it's reasonably accurate |
| 22:08.13 | Antiarc | The only problem I've run into is when a mob loads slowly and has "Unknown" as its name |
| 22:08.14 | baer_ | did they change the gruul event on deDE-servers? |
| 22:08.19 | Antiarc | Since the mob effectively changes names in that case |
| 22:08.20 | CIA-22 | 03speeddymon * r49048 10FuBar_DigiCamFu/FuBar_DigiCamFu.toc: |
| 22:08.20 | CIA-22 | FuBar_DigiCamFu: |
| 22:08.20 | CIA-22 | - Added X-AceForum, to enable the WAU option to go to addon forum thread |
| 22:08.24 | baer_ | wipe at <10% |
| 22:08.33 | Antiarc | Wipe what? |
| 22:08.40 | Antiarc | Gruul hasn't been changed in a long time |
| 22:08.41 | charon | oh i see what you mean. scrap my suggestion. |
| 22:09.35 | baer_ | Antiarc: well normally we hit him at around 10th growth. same raidgroup, same players, same dmg, but we wipe at growth-14. |
| 22:09.50 | Antiarc | Sounds about right |
| 22:10.42 | rob` | shatter adds quite a bit of randomness to it. Some days you just can't get distance on people. |
| 22:10.43 | Speeddymon | Antiarc, charon: either of you know anything about how files.wowace.com packages the zips? |
| 22:11.06 | Antiarc | Speeddymon: I do, to a degree |
| 22:11.09 | Antiarc | What specifically? |
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| 22:11.39 | Speeddymon | well, a while back, I moved the localization files for cooldowntimers2 from the root addon folder to their own subfolder, and make the change in svn |
| 22:11.56 | Speeddymon | when i look at the repo thru tortise, it shows them in that subfolder |
| 22:12.19 | Speeddymon | but when i download the zips, they are both in the root and in the subfolder, but shouldn't be |
| 22:13.15 | Antiarc | Sounds like a bug to me. I get the same behavior. |
| 22:13.27 | Speeddymon | god thats annoying.. |
| 22:13.34 | Antiarc | It may be that the files checks out to a directory but doesn't sweep old checkouts first or something |
| 22:13.35 | Speeddymon | maybe ill just delete it from the repo and re-upload it |
| 22:13.38 | Antiarc | Nah |
| 22:13.50 | Antiarc | Just wait for pastamancer to show up |
| 22:13.53 | Antiarc | He can look into it |
| 22:13.55 | Speeddymon | kk |
| 22:15.22 | charon | Antiarc: i notice you're actually checking for the Unknown thing, how come it's still a problem? |
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| 22:17.44 | orionshock | good morning all |
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| 22:18.00 | Speeddymon | morning |
| 22:19.05 | Antiarc | charon: Unknown in other locales |
| 22:19.10 | Antiarc | I need to add those translations |
| 22:19.31 | ckknight | art3mis: imho = in my honest opinion, afaict |
| 22:19.37 | charon | i've checked, deDE is there, it's rather unlikely anyone on my server (or sag_ich_nicht's for that matter) would play any other language than english or german |
| 22:20.21 | charon | i'm also 101% convinced the players i've had strange behaviour with all use deDE |
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| 22:21.12 | orionshock | intra client threat with differnt locals has always been weird |
| 22:21.26 | orionshock | intra client anything with different locals has always been weird |
| 22:21.44 | ckknight | intra? |
| 22:22.01 | charon | främdwörter si glückssach |
| 22:22.11 | orionshock | eh? |
| 22:23.11 | Speeddymon | ckknight! you can help me! |
| 22:23.12 | charon | about the most famous (if that exists) swiss songwriter wrote one titled "swear words are a matter of luck" |
| 22:23.22 | charon | the above means "foreign words are a matter of luck" |
| 22:23.28 | charon | figured it might wake up a swiss lurker or two |
| 22:23.40 | ckknight | Speeddymon: how do you know that? |
| 22:23.54 | Speeddymon | cause u are an admin |
| 22:23.55 | Speeddymon | lol |
| 22:23.59 | Antiarc | We've secretly replaced ckknight with a 900 lb bear. Let's see if Speeddymon notices. |
| 22:24.04 | Speeddymon | rofl |
| 22:24.11 | Speeddymon | bears are closer to 1200lb |
| 22:24.16 | Antiarc | It's a runt. |
| 22:24.20 | ckknight | what appears to be a large bear-like creature, most likely a bear |
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| 22:24.55 | Speeddymon | at any rate, the download site has broken cooldowntimers2's zip... |
| 22:25.26 | Speeddymon | in svn, the locales are in a subfolder.. on the download site, they are in both that subfolder, and the root addon folder |
| 22:25.54 | charon | Antiarc: oh well. i'll hopefully find some time to read through the entire code RSN |
| 22:26.07 | charon | off to bed though, goodnight |
| 22:26.15 | Antiarc | Night! |
| 22:26.20 | charon | ah and |
| 22:26.23 | charon | ObPatch! |
| 22:26.24 | charon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.27 | Antiarc | Speeddymon: ckknight doesn't handle the zip script :P |
| 22:26.33 | Speeddymon | dernit! |
| 22:26.34 | Antiarc | I've already forwarded it to pastamancer |
| 22:26.44 | Speeddymon | ~seen pastamancer |
| 22:26.48 | purl | pastamancer is currently on #wowi-lounge (9d 22h 54m 4s) #wowace (9d 22h 54m 4s). Has said a total of 23 messages. Is idling for 2d 22h 35m 13s, last said: 'java is always going to be ram hungry'. |
| 22:26.56 | ckknight | Antiarc: ...yet |
| 22:27.19 | *** join/#wowace ag`_ (n=ag`@0x535cbb03.bynxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 22:28.03 | Chompers | oh god ckk is mauling me ARGHHHFHYHDHD |
| 22:28.28 | ckknight | I can't help it, it's in my nature. |
| 22:29.33 | orionshock | lol.. |
| 22:29.38 | orionshock | domesticate yourself man |
| 22:30.08 | Chompers | bear cavalry |
| 22:30.23 | ckknight | it's like the story of the frog and the scorpion |
| 22:30.47 | orionshock | >.> |
| 22:30.53 | orionshock | fox and scorpion |
| 22:31.25 | ckknight | doesn't matter, the story's the same |
| 22:31.33 | ckknight | and it's told many different ways |
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| 22:33.50 | Stan__ | ckknight: what are you working on at the moment? |
| 22:34.01 | ckknight | watching Real Time with Bill Maher |
| 22:34.20 | Chompers | no mad men still >:| |
| 22:34.24 | Stan__ | < watching Kill Bill 2 |
| 22:34.25 | ckknight | I know |
| 22:34.32 | ckknight | I didn't like Kill Bill |
| 22:34.45 | Stan__ | I liked the first part |
| 22:35.01 | ckknight | thought it was outlandish, overdone, and all-in-all silly |
| 22:35.22 | Stan__ | it's tarentino style |
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| 22:35.44 | kenlyric | yeah. |
| 22:35.49 | kenlyric | that's every movie he's ever made. |
| 22:35.58 | __art3mis | yeah but kill bill had uma thurman |
| 22:36.04 | __art3mis | that alone says its gonna suck right there |
| 22:36.30 | ag` | I liked his other movies better |
| 22:36.36 | ag` | but I still think it was ok |
| 22:36.58 | art3mis | best movie he's made was Dusk to Dawn |
| 22:37.22 | dylanm | I'm a big fan of Reservoir Dogs, myself. |
| 22:37.48 | art3mis | res dogs was good, but it had some spots that were just meh |
| 22:38.06 | art3mis | any movie that i can fall asleep during regardless of the amount of times isnt a good movie ;P |
| 22:38.15 | orionshock | god i don't even want to pvp anymore ... |
| 22:38.19 | dylanm | And Uma doesn't force movies to be bad. And being that gorgeous compensates a little. |
| 22:38.34 | art3mis | yes she does and no shes not |
| 22:38.40 | art3mis | uma thurman is not hot to me |
| 22:38.56 | art3mis | shes a disgusing stick creature that needs to be buried as fertilizer to be useful to society |
| 22:39.13 | art3mis | and she cant act |
| 22:39.16 | art3mis | ;) |
| 22:40.00 | art3mis | she wants to be jane mansfeld but has neither the ability nor looks to accomplish it |
| 22:41.03 | Tekkub | SendAddonMessage doesn't echo locally right? |
| 22:41.11 | orionshock | yes it does |
| 22:41.24 | Tekkub | I.E. I'll never recieve an addon message with sender == UnitName("player") |
| 22:41.27 | Tekkub | okey |
| 22:41.36 | Tekkub | guess I added that check for a reason then |
| 22:41.41 | orionshock | think of it like guild chat... you see your own messages |
| 22:42.05 | Tekkub | was just questioning my own old code, been some time since I poked at addon messages |
| 22:42.14 | orionshock | :D |
| 22:42.38 | orionshock | Tekkub: what kind of quest addons do you have on your svn? |
| 22:42.46 | Tekkub | Quecho |
| 22:42.58 | orionshock | humm... |
| 22:43.00 | Tekkub | that's really about it |
| 22:43.12 | orionshock | im looking for a lzay way to pick up and turn in the daily quests |
| 22:43.15 | *** part/#wowace Punkie` (n=~@host217-42-208-232.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) |
| 22:43.36 | Tekkub | indie has a gossip skip that'll probably do that |
| 22:43.48 | orionshock | ive written my own but i can't get the events in the right order to get it to turn them in |
| 22:43.50 | Tekkub | my gossip skip is simple, it doesn't autoturnin |
| 22:44.30 | art3mis | wasnt tehre an update to the autofaction turin addon? |
| 22:44.35 | art3mis | turnin |
| 22:44.48 | orionshock | yes but it doesn't include the dailys |
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| 22:44.52 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Wobin_] by ChanServ |
| 22:44.52 | art3mis | i know it covered up to scryer and aldor |
| 22:44.56 | art3mis | oh |
| 22:45.00 | art3mis | thts wierd |
| 22:47.19 | ckknight | kenlyric: no, I liked his other movies |
| 22:47.26 | ckknight | kenlyric: because they were done well |
| 22:47.33 | ckknight | kenlyric: Kill Bill was just ... cartoonish |
| 22:47.43 | ckknight | perhaps it's also in line with my own distaste for anime |
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| 22:49.14 | kenlyric | possibly, though I liked it and don't like anime. |
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| 22:51.48 | Pkekyo | well, from dusk till dawn officially sucks frozen donkeyballs... |
| 22:52.37 | Cidan | Does it suck more than Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom? |
| 22:54.02 | Pkekyo | Cidan: dunno, I can't tell the indiana jones movies apart |
| 22:55.43 | Cidan | It's the one with the 3 magic stones |
| 22:55.48 | Cidan | and the small chinese kid |
| 22:55.57 | Cidan | the one that feels like a corny 80's movie |
| 22:57.23 | aestil | cidan: almost all movies from the 80's feel like corny 80's movies |
| 22:57.33 | Cidan | Indy didn't, :D |
| 22:57.37 | Cidan | not 1 and 3 |
| 22:59.50 | Pkekyo | Cidan: isn't there stones and a little kid in all the movies? |
| 23:00.00 | Cidan | newp |
| 23:00.05 | Cidan | just Temple of Doom |
| 23:00.16 | Pkekyo | weird |
| 23:00.22 | CIA-22 | 03phanx * r49049 10CML/ (. cml.lua cml.toc): |
| 23:00.22 | CIA-22 | CML: |
| 23:00.22 | CIA-22 | - Initial import |
| 23:00.24 | RogueShadow | That's right, in one movie it's a medallion, with a stone IN it |
| 23:00.38 | Cidan | The first movie was about the lost ark |
| 23:00.50 | Cidan | the third was some bullshit story about some temple and stones |
| 23:01.00 | Cidan | the third was about the holy grail |
| 23:01.00 | Pkekyo | slept my way through those movies anyways :) |
| 23:01.07 | Cidan | er |
| 23:01.09 | Cidan | third == second |
| 23:01.10 | Cidan | :P |
| 23:01.19 | Wobin_ | ahaha |
| 23:01.23 | Wobin_ | Dusk til Dawn |
| 23:01.55 | Wobin_ | BuddyMovieBuddyMovieBuddyMovieActionMovieActionMovieHOLYFUCKINGSHITVAMPIRES |
| 23:02.13 | Pkekyo | watching the third one now...who's the big fugly guy with the scar across his face? |
| 23:02.37 | CIA-22 | 03phanx * r49050 10CML/: |
| 23:02.37 | CIA-22 | CML: |
| 23:02.37 | CIA-22 | - Adding externals |
| 23:04.08 | Wobin_ | I can remember watching From Dusk To Dawn on one of those LaserDisc setups |
| 23:04.23 | Wobin_ | with the huge laser disc thing that you had to flip over halfway |
| 23:04.42 | Pkekyo | laserdisc? wtf |
| 23:04.48 | Wobin_ | The problem was, the vampires were on the second half |
| 23:05.00 | Pkekyo | ahah |
| 23:05.01 | Wobin_ | so we spent a good few minutes wondering if they'd screwed up the movie =P |
| 23:05.09 | Wobin_ | "Is this the same movie?!" |
| 23:05.14 | Pkekyo | yeah |
| 23:05.26 | Pkekyo | great way of making a vampire flick tbh |
| 23:05.39 | aestil | what is cml? |
| 23:05.47 | Wobin_ | from then on, "HOLY SHIT, VAMPIRES!" became our catchcall =P |
| 23:06.08 | Pkekyo | ~cml |
| 23:06.14 | Pkekyo | aestil: sorry |
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| 23:06.15 | *** mode/#wowace [+o nymbia] by ChanServ |
| 23:06.39 | art3mis | so are youa pussy or a mean mother fucking servant of god? |
| 23:06.41 | Pkekyo | Wobin_: should've seen our teacher when she showed that one at school...thought it was just another robbery flick...scared the shit outta her :> |
| 23:06.49 | art3mis | im a mean muffle muffle servant of god |
| 23:06.49 | Wobin_ | hehehe |
| 23:07.08 | art3mis | my wife is cousins with tom savini ;P |
| 23:07.18 | art3mis | howa wesome is that |
| 23:08.06 | art3mis | "sex machine" from dusk to dawn for the slow kids and one of the main sfx people for almost every gorey movie made since the early 80s |
| 23:08.33 | aestil | looks like CML is that little clock/latency thing ridji wrote |
| 23:08.35 | aestil | ? |
| 23:08.38 | Wobin_ | That was just an inspired name for a character |
| 23:08.50 | Cidan | you know |
| 23:08.55 | Cidan | we have so many people idle in this chan |
| 23:09.00 | Cidan | but like, 20 of us talk |
| 23:09.05 | Wobin_ | yeah =( |
| 23:09.06 | Cidan | there's 242 people in here. |
| 23:09.15 | Cidan | This leads me to ask |
| 23:09.20 | Cidan | Who ARE you all? |
| 23:09.22 | aestil | yeah, its the only reason i say anything. |
| 23:09.31 | vhaarr | We're the borg. |
| 23:09.35 | aestil | if more interesting people were talking, i would just look and lurk. |
| 23:09.38 | Cidan | UNLIKELY GOOD SIR |
| 23:09.46 | Kemayo | Resistance is futile, you will idle? |
| 23:09.51 | Cidan | haha |
| 23:10.04 | Pkekyo | Cidan: YOU ARE NOT PREPARED to know who we are |
| 23:10.28 | aestil | YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE WHO WE ARE |
| 23:10.42 | art3mis | bah sorry for the delay pkek i keep forgetting about it |
| 23:10.46 | Cidan | THE YOTSUBA NEWSPAPER ALWAYS TELLS THE TRUTH |
| 23:10.54 | ckknight | Cidan: lol, basically, through inviting important people, this has become a place where things happen |
| 23:10.56 | Pkekyo | art3mis: no worries, I haven't been at home anyways |
| 23:11.01 | Wobin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.03 | ckknight | minimally discussion |
| 23:11.06 | art3mis | i caught ebola thursday and have been sick and headachey |
| 23:11.07 | aestil | i got this soup at vons. its freaking delisoius |
| 23:11.12 | Pkekyo | ok, enough with all the lameass taglines |
| 23:11.14 | Pkekyo | :> |
| 23:11.23 | Cidan | psh |
| 23:11.28 | Cidan | Important people |
| 23:11.31 | Cidan | I scoff at the idea |
| 23:11.40 | ckknight | no, scoffs. |
| 23:11.43 | art3mis | i think part of my headache though i watching shirik try to explain math in wowi ;P |
| 23:11.44 | Cidan | -' |
| 23:11.45 | Cidan | :D |
| 23:11.51 | Shirik | =( |
| 23:11.54 | aestil | I am hear though. you fail at inviting important people ckk |
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| 23:12.04 | art3mis | word math im alright with |
| 23:12.12 | art3mis | seeing real math makes me brain hurt |
| 23:12.14 | ckknight | inviting unimportant people does not invalidate the important people |
| 23:12.21 | aestil | :D |
| 23:12.23 | Shirik | ouch |
| 23:12.30 | Cidan | hear? |
| 23:12.31 | aestil | i wish i could be important. |
| 23:12.32 | orionshock | finally : Sha'tari Skyguard: Exalted - 125/1000 (12.5%) |
| 23:12.32 | Cidan | :D |
| 23:12.33 | Shirik | wait was that a dis? |
| 23:12.44 | aestil | shirik: yes. |
| 23:12.56 | buu | HA HA. |
| 23:13.28 | aestil | ~lua |
| 23:13.28 | purl | hmm... lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. |
| 23:13.54 | aestil | is wow lua differnt than what I just got linked? |
| 23:14.23 | Pkekyo | wow lua would probably be lua used in wow? |
| 23:14.35 | aestil | just making sure they didn't change something. |
| 23:14.40 | Pkekyo | I dunno tbh |
| 23:15.11 | kaiden | aestil, it's not a complete implementation of LUA |
| 23:15.15 | kaiden | there are parts left out or modified |
| 23:15.37 | *** part/#wowace CrazyBenny_ (n=s_m@router.dobruska.cz) |
| 23:15.38 | orionshock | like loadfile() |
| 23:15.38 | kaiden | but yes, generally speaking www.lua.org will teach you what you need to know |
| 23:15.52 | aestil | damn that was good. |
| 23:16.18 | aestil | kaiden: it would teach me if I had a certain bare minimum of knowledge already, right? complete noob need not apply? |
| 23:16.36 | aestil | [the soup was what was damn good btw] |
| 23:16.38 | kaiden | aestil, as any dev will tell you, once you know one language .. you know them all |
| 23:16.39 | kaiden | :P |
| 23:16.50 | Pkekyo | aestil: what fucking soup? |
| 23:16.52 | Cidan | yes and no |
| 23:17.02 | aestil | pkekyo: spicy lentil soup from vons. |
| 23:17.09 | aestil | pkekyo: OMG GOOD. |
| 23:17.20 | ckknight | so I'm gonna write LibFuBarPlugin-3.0 |
| 23:17.23 | kaiden | aestil, everything will fall into place if you have previous experience with other languages, but if you are a complete noob and fresh |
| 23:17.24 | Pkekyo | wth >.< |
| 23:17.29 | Cidan | once you know theory, structure and mathematics, languages are nothing but simple syntax |
| 23:17.34 | kaiden | then lua.org will give you a good start |
| 23:17.47 | kaiden | Cidan, hence the comment :) |
| 23:17.59 | aestil | kaiden: ok. I'll hobby this for a while and see how much i suck. |
| 23:18.00 | kaiden | because you dont truly know a language until you can fully grasp it |
| 23:18.03 | aestil | you don't compile lua right? |
| 23:18.08 | kaiden | no |
| 23:18.14 | ckknight | you compile it to bytecode |
| 23:18.20 | ckknight | and with LuaJIT, to machine code |
| 23:18.22 | ckknight | theoretically |
| 23:18.23 | kaiden | not in terms of doing it in wow that is |
| 23:18.26 | kaiden | :p |
| 23:18.33 | ckknight | well, WoW just does to bytecode |
| 23:18.39 | aestil | so its sorta like html, if i open a addon folder and read the lua, i can 'steal / learn' from the code? |
| 23:18.50 | kaiden | yeah i'm simply answering a question assuming he means this with developing addons |
| 23:18.54 | ckknight | yea, basically, aestil |
| 23:19.03 | Pkekyo | hundreds of years old naked fat vampire bitch is just...nasty... |
| 23:19.05 | Pkekyo | :< |
| 23:19.12 | aestil | and libfubar plugin will replace fubarplugin 2.0? |
| 23:19.51 | aestil | can you give strata options to fubar as well CKK? |
| 23:19.59 | aestil | to the actual panel itself? |
| 23:20.01 | ckknight | make a jira issue |
| 23:20.22 | ckknight | LibFuBarPlugin-3.0 will be the next version of FuBar |
| 23:20.28 | ckknight | FuBarPlugin-2.0 |
| 23:20.36 | ckknight | basically |
| 23:20.42 | aestil | i thought you already ported fubar last night? |
| 23:21.00 | ckknight | yes, I did |
| 23:21.05 | ckknight | I pressed enter too early |
| 23:21.57 | orionshock | <3 bliz quest events |
| 23:22.03 | orionshock | they don't always work or fire |
| 23:23.08 | ckknight | LibFuBarPlugin-3.0 will be much more open-ended |
| 23:23.19 | ckknight | e.g. you choose what kind of tooltip to show (or whether to show one at all) |
| 23:23.22 | kaiden | ckknight, i'm gonna have to pay you to make that mod i was talking about huh? 500 dollah! :P |
| 23:23.26 | ckknight | and what kind of menu on right-click |
| 23:23.34 | ckknight | kaiden: which addon is this? |
| 23:23.44 | ckknight | oh, that one |
| 23:23.48 | ckknight | :-P |
| 23:23.50 | kaiden | :) |
| 23:24.20 | art3mis | i want to lie shipwrecked and comatosed |
| 23:24.25 | aestil | i'll pay you 20 bucks to put an avion type module into parrot ckk. |
| 23:24.26 | art3mis | rinking fresh mango juice |
| 23:24.38 | kaiden | i love rinking fresh mango juice! |
| 23:24.44 | art3mis | i know eh! |
| 23:24.51 | kaiden | it's another boring day in paradise |
| 23:25.15 | ckknight | aestil: complex. I need to make LibFuBarPlugin-3.0, once I'm done that, I'm releasing my addons |
| 23:25.32 | ckknight | after that, other stuff can happen |
| 23:25.51 | aestil | ckknight: ok, and then after that, perhaps, onl your own, you'll think 'hey, it'd be cool for a viusal effect of when i proc redoubt or reckoning?' |
| 23:26.05 | Pkekyo | all the from dusk till dawn sequels was complete and utter shit :< |
| 23:26.17 | ckknight | :-P |
| 23:26.46 | kaiden | or maybe.. i should get into the hooking business |
| 23:26.52 | kaiden | and be down at 5th and alameda with a leg out |
| 23:26.56 | kaiden | ... that'd be fun |
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| 23:27.15 | Pkekyo | kaiden: if it'll make you happy...go for it! |
| 23:27.25 | *** join/#wowace [quoin] (n=quoin@122-49-157-42.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 23:27.30 | kaiden | leave me alone .. i'm bored :( |
| 23:27.37 | kaiden | 12 hour work shifts with nothing going on == no fun |
| 23:27.56 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 23:28.10 | CIA-22 | 03kemayo * r49051 10FuBar_QuestsFu/Details/ (Details.lua enUS.lua): |
| 23:28.10 | CIA-22 | FuBar_QuestsFu: |
| 23:28.10 | CIA-22 | -Hopefully show when a quest requires an item to turn in. (I couldn't find one to test it on.) |
| 23:28.10 | CIA-22 | -Fix link errors for non-cached items. |
| 23:28.14 | CIA-22 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r534 10/trunk/Quecho/ (Tracker.lua Quecho.lua Quecho.toc): Quecho - Added quest tracker frame, removed chatframe echo of objectives |
| 23:28.17 | CIA-22 | 03phanx * r49052 10CML/cml.lua: |
| 23:28.19 | CIA-22 | CML: |
| 23:28.21 | CIA-22 | - Support future localization |
| 23:28.30 | Pkekyo | huh...didn't know you could pause a dvd menu |
| 23:29.00 | Antiarc | It's just a DVD scene |
| 23:29.01 | kaiden | Pkekyo, essentially pause halts the program itself including memory, and everything |
| 23:29.47 | Pkekyo | huh... |
| 23:30.11 | Pkekyo | got fuckloads of homework to be done by 8am and here I sit talking 'bout paused dvd menus |
| 23:30.19 | Pkekyo | promising |
| 23:30.33 | Pkekyo | this year will most definitely go tits up |
| 23:30.56 | kaiden | '-' |
| 23:31.41 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight 07Rock * r49053 10FuBar/FuBar/ (FuBar.lua FuBar_Panel.lua): FuBar - bump version to 3.0 |
| 23:32.21 | Pkekyo | never realized there was a sequel to kill bill |
| 23:32.45 | JoshBorke | kill bill vol 2 |
| 23:33.08 | Pkekyo | aye |
| 23:33.18 | Pkekyo | popped it in the drive just now |
| 23:33.19 | kaiden | Pkekyo, didn't you know emo bitches always have to show up twice? |
| 23:33.41 | Pkekyo | kaiden: nah, I tend to not pay any attention to'em |
| 23:34.03 | Wobin_ | Pkekyo: It's not a sequel |
| 23:34.16 | Wobin_ | Kill Bill was too long a movie for the cinemas so he cut it in half |
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| 23:34.38 | kaiden | he should have just named it Kill Bill The Second Half |
| 23:34.43 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 23:35.46 | Wobin_ | well |
| 23:35.54 | Wobin_ | volume 2 |
| 23:36.16 | Pkekyo | implies a sequel imo |
| 23:36.40 | kaiden | not necessarily |
| 23:37.11 | kaiden | they break books up into volumes and that is just a continuation of the same book |
| 23:37.12 | kaiden | :) |
| 23:37.15 | Pkekyo | well, when they're adverticed as 'kill bill' and 'kill bill 2' |
| 23:38.10 | Pkekyo | oh well |
| 23:40.30 | Pkekyo | damnit |
| 23:40.41 | Pkekyo | I've seen both halfs in one stretch before...piece of shite |
| 23:40.48 | Pkekyo | gotta find another movie then >.< |
| 23:41.01 | lolinternet | ~stab Antiarc |
| 23:41.02 | purl | ACTION runs at Antiarc with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 23:41.27 | Pkekyo | what's origami? |
| 23:41.33 | saladin | paper folding |
| 23:41.35 | rob` | bird paper. |
| 23:41.40 | saladin | you should lurk moar at /po/ |
| 23:43.16 | Pkekyo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.32 | CIA-22 | 03gamefaq * r49054 10FuBar_QuestsFu/Details/deDE.lua: |
| 23:43.32 | CIA-22 | FuBar_QuestsFu: |
| 23:43.32 | CIA-22 | - deDE Update |
| 23:44.42 | Pkekyo | quentin tarantino got a twisted idea 'bout what the song 'Like a Virgin' is all abou |
| 23:44.43 | Pkekyo | t |
| 23:45.10 | CIA-22 | 03speeddymon * r49055 10CooldownTimers2/Core.lua: |
| 23:45.10 | CIA-22 | CooldownTimers2: |
| 23:45.10 | CIA-22 | - Default to class specific profiles, to avoid skills being displayed on every character's profile, even if that character doesn't have that skill. Make sure to delete SavedVariables again, sorry for this inconvenience |
| 23:46.10 | saladin | Pkekyo: you know 4chan? |
| 23:47.15 | Pkekyo | saladin: aye? |
| 23:47.27 | saladin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.30 | saladin | paper* |
| 23:47.35 | saladin | one of the img boards |
| 23:48.48 | *** join/#wowace Huuph (n=chatzill@0x503e54dc.naenxx13.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 23:49.29 | *** join/#wowace vithos (i=vithos@unaffiliated/vithos) |
| 23:49.52 | aestil | ~insult ckknight |
| 23:50.23 | ckknight | ... |
| 23:50.46 | aestil | purl is pretty mouthy. |
| 23:50.48 | Pkekyo | wtf, 'reservoir dogs' being translated into 'the ruthless' >.< |
| 23:51.59 | *** join/#wowace Legorol (n=legorol@stud-nat-blk12.trin.cam.ac.uk) |
| 23:52.43 | ckknight | ? |
| 23:53.06 | Pkekyo | ? |
| 23:53.22 | saladin | ? |
| 23:53.27 | Pkekyo | ? |
| 23:53.51 | Wobin_ | ? |
| 23:53.55 | Pkekyo | ? |
| 23:54.10 | ulic | ? |
| 23:54.16 | mikma | getting old |
| 23:54.17 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 23:54.41 | Pkekyo | reservoir dogs is fucking confusing |
| 23:54.44 | ckknight | Pkekyo: don't spam. |
| 23:57.26 | saladin | ? |
| 23:57.36 | orionshock | ok.. CompleteQuest() -- is it protected or fubared? |
| 23:57.41 | saladin | ~insult Pkekyo |
| 23:58.06 | mikma | orionshock: yes |
| 23:58.16 | orionshock | what |
| 23:58.20 | orionshock | protected or fubar'ed |
| 23:58.25 | mikma | yeap |
| 23:58.36 | orionshock | both? |
| 23:58.36 | sb | ckknight: parrot -> scroll areas -> incoming is that new 'group view' thing? |
| 23:58.56 | ckknight | yea |
| 23:59.01 | ckknight | inline group |
| 23:59.05 | sb | yup |
| 23:59.07 | ckknight | it's the box thing |
| 23:59.14 | ckknight | on the backend, it works just like any other group |
| 23:59.20 | ckknight | it just shows with the other options |
| 23:59.42 | orionshock | tbh it looks nice |
| 23:59.44 | Pkekyo | what's dread-bolted? |
| 23:59.55 | sb | yup, i like it |
