| 00:00.08 | Amadeo | That's from EQ! |
| 00:00.29 | Silowyi | what font does the default ui use? I can't remember |
| 00:01.27 | Silowyi | the best is the people that don't get it and are like |
| 00:01.40 | Silowyi | "WTF every time I use /camp my WoW disconnects..." |
| 00:02.14 | charon | Antiarc: ping? |
| 00:02.15 | Silowyi | EQ has the /exit command which logs you out without any waiting regardless of whether you're in a city or not |
| 00:02.28 | Xinhuan | /exit works in wow too |
| 00:02.31 | Silowyi | so you tell people that /ex shows their current rate of exp gain (this information is hidden in EQ) |
| 00:02.38 | Antiarc | charon: pong |
| 00:04.05 | charon | Antiarc: that was faster than i thought, sorry :9 will get back to you in a few mins |
| 00:04.18 | Antiarc | Haha, okay |
| 00:05.14 | Xinhuan | wow is inconsistent |
| 00:05.34 | Xinhuan | it says "You may only complete 2 more daily quests today." so i complete one more and it says "You may only complete one more daily quest today." |
| 00:05.48 | Xinhuan | so it used %d for anything larger than 1 and %s for 1 |
| 00:06.08 | Xinhuan | (ok that's a lame observation) |
| 00:07.32 | charon | Antiarc: i have more screenshots of impossible situations, i've noticed it a lot this black morass run |
| 00:07.55 | Antiarc | can you email them to cheald at gmail ? |
| 00:08.27 | charon | shadow priest regularly had >150% threat according to _my_ omen, yet said his own had him safely under 90% and he didn't grab aggro |
| 00:08.45 | charon | sure |
| 00:09.10 | Xinhuan | sounds like communication parsing errors |
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| 00:11.38 | Gngsk | anyone know if pot masters can proc extra cauldrons? |
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| 00:15.54 | Silowyi | rofl |
| 00:16.08 | Silowyi | that would be pretty comical |
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| 00:16.35 | break19 | i dunno, but i wish they'd /emote sees double - WOAHHH DUUUUDE! when they proc an extra |
| 00:17.28 | charon | Antiarc: mail sent. and i find omen is quite amazingly accurate, kudos :) |
| 00:17.50 | Antiarc | Thanks :) |
| 00:18.34 | break19 | however, sending mail costs 1 brownie point, so the total is now 1 point for charon |
| 00:19.06 | Silowyi | does anyone know what the font in the battleground listing is? http://www.accasia.net/av_screen.jpg |
| 00:19.25 | Silowyi | Alterac Valley 1, Alterac Valley 2, etc... |
| 00:19.49 | ckknight | GameFontNormal, it looks like |
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| 00:20.20 | charon | btw, who made the threat-1.0/aloft interface? |
| 00:20.34 | Gngsk | the recount guy |
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| 00:20.49 | Gngsk | his name escapes me atm |
| 00:20.55 | Xinhuan | cyrect? |
| 00:21.00 | Gngsk | yeah |
| 00:21.01 | Chompers | "the recount guy" nice |
| 00:21.03 | Xinhuan | Cryect |
| 00:21.04 | Xinhuan | i mean |
| 00:21.37 | charon | ah |
| 00:23.15 | charon | Cryect: minor feature request for the threat display in aloft, i think it would be nice if it actually checked target-of-mob (if that's possible) to determine the aggro holder and colour accordingly, as far as i can tell it shows the same colour across all mobs of the same name, even if some of them target me and some of them don't |
| 00:23.29 | kergoth | cryect isnt the aloft maintainer |
| 00:23.32 | kergoth | roartindon is |
| 00:23.50 | kergoth | threat-1.0 is antiarc, aloft is roartindon |
| 00:23.54 | charon | there go my brownie points |
| 00:23.54 | Gngsk | ok, that was my fault |
| 00:23.56 | Gngsk | sorry |
| 00:24.01 | break19 | indeed. you blew em fast |
| 00:24.10 | Gngsk | I said recount when I meant aloft |
| 00:25.16 | kergoth | he's not in here atm |
| 00:25.30 | charon | so that's now -1 points. *sigh* |
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| 00:31.58 | Cryect | charon: it can't tell the difference between mobs of the same name (you don't get any unit id for them or anything) so he couldn't do that |
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| 00:33.02 | charon | ah, pity. but thanks for the heads up |
| 00:38.12 | ulic | somebody said that blizzard was adding unitIDs in 2.3 or 2.4 or something. |
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| 00:45.06 | Xinhuan | wtb guild banks implemented already |
| 00:45.15 | Xinhuan | having 2 or 3 alts dedicated to that storage space is stupid |
| 00:46.43 | ulic | I just want it for an easy way to exchange resistance gear, I hate holding it until I find someone who needs when I know most of the time SOMEONE needs it. |
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| 00:51.55 | TNSe | stupid. |
| 00:54.00 | TNSe | guild banks is gonna be liek teh awesome |
| 00:54.04 | TNSe | until people get lax |
| 00:54.07 | TNSe | and then it will be like hell |
| 00:54.22 | TNSe | OMG GUILD BANK IS FULL PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO BUY STUFF OR WE CANT STORE MORE :( |
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| 01:02.23 | Amadeo | Warhammer Online has 416,853 beta applicants, that's pretty good |
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| 01:06.39 | break19 | they'd have 416,854+ if they had a mac version |
| 01:06.49 | break19 | cuz I've had applied. |
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| 01:06.59 | break19 | err |
| 01:07.06 | break19 | I would've applied |
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| 01:07.48 | break19 | damn.. my brain is overworked and beginning to say "to hell with this, I'm shuttin down for a while" |
| 01:14.33 | CC--home | what's a good mac irc client break |
| 01:15.06 | break19 | irssi |
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| 01:21.45 | CC--home | does WAU work on mac? |
| 01:21.55 | break19 | no. but jwu does. |
| 01:23.57 | CC--home | which java version |
| 01:24.12 | break19 | whatever is the latest from apple |
| 01:24.17 | break19 | 5 i think |
| 01:24.18 | CC--home | is there a progrma that u can edit .lua on mac? |
| 01:24.24 | break19 | TextEdit |
| 01:24.28 | CC--home | lol |
| 01:24.44 | CC--home | irssi cool thanks |
| 01:25.02 | break19 | I use Smultron tho.. gpl editor, with syntax-coloring support for many programming languages, including lua |
| 01:25.39 | CC--home | i c..any cool apps u use on mac? |
| 01:25.52 | break19 | wow :p |
| 01:26.07 | CC--home | just got a macbook pro and wow runs nice on it |
| 01:26.28 | break19 | yea. I got a nearly 3 year old ibook, and it runs good enough for me |
| 01:26.47 | CC--home | lol even wow? |
| 01:27.10 | CC--home | does the ventrillo for mac work fine? |
| 01:27.16 | break19 | as far as apps go, I use vine server (vnc), vlc (movie player, supports more codecs than quicktime) |
| 01:27.20 | break19 | and yea, I use vent |
| 01:27.54 | break19 | neo office is a good mac port of OpenOffice.Org |
| 01:28.23 | break19 | chicken of the VNC is a good VNC client. |
| 01:30.14 | CIA-14 | 03archarodim * r47856 10Decursive/ (Dcr_DebuffsFrame.lua Dcr_Raid.lua Decursive.lua): |
| 01:30.14 | CIA-14 | Decursive: |
| 01:30.14 | CIA-14 | - Make a real fix for the nil error Fin _hid_... |
| 01:30.14 | CIA-14 | (When you find a bug such as a 'nil' error, report it on Decursive's post on Ace2 forum, do not alter the code if you don't know what you're doing...) |
| 01:30.14 | CIA-14 | - Added 'lesser invisibility' to stealth detection. |
| 01:30.26 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 01:30.39 | Arrowmaster | is archarodim in here? |
| 01:31.25 | break19 | fin broke code? wow. I'm impressed. :) |
| 01:31.41 | break19 | I thought only *I* was the master of breaking more than fixing.. |
| 01:37.09 | Funkeh` | I thoguht fin knew what he was doing? |
| 01:37.19 | Funkeh` | Maybe if arch wasn't an idiot and was on IRC he would know that. |
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| 01:51.52 | Neebler | if bill gates ran for president, would you vote for him? |
| 01:51.55 | JohnnyFu | http://under.urban-souls.net/pics/WoWScrnShot_090107_034911.jpg <-- how can i fix that? I can't access PitBull's configuration anymore :( |
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| 01:54.15 | CIA-14 | 03funkydude * r47857 10Tattle/dataminer.lua: Tattle: Update miner |
| 01:57.33 | Xinhuan | Neebler: no, he would make laws that ensured every computer has windows installed ;p |
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| 01:59.52 | Amadeo | Bill Gates is also pretty bad in public |
| 02:00.00 | Amadeo | worse than Bush, believe it or not! |
| 02:00.04 | zeeg | what are the changes one of you is a JS guru? :) |
| 02:06.17 | Gngsk | anyone know a mod that tracks how many times elixir/pot mastery procs or just did proc? |
| 02:06.46 | ZealotOnAStick | AlchemyFu I believe does. |
| 02:07.09 | Gngsk | thx, I'll check it out |
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| 02:19.59 | Nemes_ | morning all... is there a problem with SVN? |
| 02:20.24 | art3mis | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 02:20.51 | art3mis | at least he gets 24 hours notice, thats mor than a lot of us, its "watch out for the truck" |
| 02:21.00 | art3mis | "what truck?" *splat* |
| 02:21.35 | Diao | how come after certain weeks for gladiator/tattle some realms are always screwed up |
| 02:21.39 | Diao | :( |
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| 02:36.21 | Keias | hrm |
| 02:36.33 | Keias | I know there's been a few "joke" type mods that would send fake info to like KTM and such |
| 02:36.49 | Keias | But are they any that'll send fake info to damage meter addons? |
| 02:37.59 | Funkeh` | no |
| 02:38.17 | Keias | Damn :( |
| 02:42.08 | Xinhuan | WHOA |
| 02:42.12 | Xinhuan | [2007/09/01 10:39:45-2590-x1]: WoWEquip\WoWEquip.lua:2579: main function has more than 200 local variables |
| 02:42.17 | Xinhuan | that's a new one |
| 02:42.28 | Funkeh` | O_o |
| 02:42.34 | Xinhuan | from BugGrabber |
| 02:43.05 | Xinhuan | i never knew there was a limit |
| 02:43.21 | art3mis | WOW THAST A LOT OF NUTS! |
| 02:43.46 | TNSe | heh |
| 02:45.10 | Xinhuan | #ifndef MAXLOCALS |
| 02:45.10 | Xinhuan | #define MAXLOCALS 200 /* arbitrary limit (<MAXSTACK) */ |
| 02:45.10 | Xinhuan | #endif |
| 02:45.13 | Thorgard | Anyone know of any sexy mods to make the edges of your screen flash/pulse red/blue when you're low on health/mana ? |
| 02:45.15 | Xinhuan | Bah at LUA defaults |
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| 02:48.58 | art3mis | thor i like bigwigs does that |
| 02:49.06 | art3mis | no wait thats aggro |
| 02:49.08 | art3mis | nm |
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| 02:53.39 | art3mis | anti! |
| 02:53.47 | art3mis | go fix your colour selector! |
| 02:53.58 | art3mis | i cant change colours in omen with dart loaded ;P |
| 02:54.03 | art3mis | but i can everywhere else |
| 02:54.19 | art3mis | well omen and violation |
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| 02:54.59 | Gngsk | disable dart, select your color, enable dart |
| 02:56.38 | Antiarc | My color selector isn't anything special |
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| 03:01.44 | art3mis | http://www.exbyte.net/media/videos/4577/WOW__Without_The_Internet.html |
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| 03:07.52 | Neebler | LARPERS! KILL! |
| 03:11.17 | SaladFork | Thor - XPerl does it as part of the package |
| 03:11.21 | SaladFork | Low Health/Mana Warnings |
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| 03:12.40 | Xinhuan | i like xperl ;) |
| 03:12.47 | SaladFork | me too |
| 03:13.46 | Xinhuan | its the ease of configuration that makes it nice actually |
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| 03:14.04 | SaladFork | Plus the completeness of the packag |
| 03:14.06 | SaladFork | package |
| 03:14.09 | SaladFork | it has everything you need |
| 03:14.19 | Xinhuan | it even implemented HealComm-1.0 |
| 03:14.31 | SaladFork | works 100% with mods like Clique too |
| 03:14.31 | Xinhuan | and uses SML if available |
| 03:14.39 | SaladFork | Yep |
| 03:14.41 | SaladFork | <3 |
| 03:14.51 | Xinhuan | so your whole UI can look really unified |
| 03:15.00 | Xinhuan | now if only fubar can use SML too ;p |
| 03:23.51 | Thorgard | SML? Super Mario Langben? |
| 03:23.56 | SaladFork | SharedMediaLib |
| 03:24.06 | SaladFork | allows all your addons (or the ones that support SML) to share sounds/textures/etc. |
| 03:24.15 | Kaydeethree | new PTR diffs are up (zomg 2 in 1 day!) current build: 7195. http://spyglass-server.com/wowints |
| 03:24.23 | Thorgard | Oh, yeah. |
| 03:25.15 | Xinhuan | whats the difference on the latest ptr? |
| 03:25.26 | Kaydeethree | it's all in the diff... /smirk |
| 03:25.29 | Kaydeethree | just voice changes |
| 03:29.51 | CIA-14 | 03nemes * r47858 10FuBar_BattlegroundFu/FuBar_BattlegroundFu.toc: FuBar_BattlegroundFu: remove unused Metrognome |
| 03:29.52 | Neebler | maybe now it wont sound like teamspeak! filtered through a prison toilet phone |
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| 03:32.47 | CIA-14 | 03nemes * r47859 10SpecialEventsEmbed/ (10 files in 9 dirs): SpecialEventsEmbed: remove unused Metrognome |
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| 03:57.55 | Funkeh` | later |
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| 04:14.34 | ckknight | hey all |
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| 04:14.59 | Recluse | evening ckk |
| 04:15.08 | ckknight | well, my computer's at the Apple store now |
| 04:15.10 | ckknight | *sigh* |
| 04:15.14 | ckknight | I feel so castrated |
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| 04:16.37 | ckknight | in other news, I found out I have a very reasonable credit score for my age |
| 04:17.18 | ckknight | like enough where if I play my cards right, I can get a house in like 6 months |
| 04:17.30 | Recluse | that's always good |
| 04:17.41 | SaladFork | That's good, if you want a house |
| 04:17.41 | ckknight | yea |
| 04:17.44 | SaladFork | Otherwise, perhaps not so good |
| 04:18.01 | ckknight | SaladFork, well, if I move to the mainland (eventual goal), why should I rent? ;-) |
| 04:18.13 | SaladFork | There ya' go |
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| 04:33.04 | Neebler | http://mmovie.voig.com/ |
| 04:39.04 | SaladFork | woah |
| 04:39.08 | SaladFork | neebler, when is that coming out |
| 04:49.55 | Recluse | sounds like it could be interesting. i like their concept |
| 04:50.54 | SaladFork | yep |
| 04:50.57 | SaladFork | and the trailer seems fantastic |
| 04:51.00 | SaladFork | I'd love to know when it comes out |
| 04:51.08 | CIA-14 | 03roartindon * r47860 10Assessment/Modules/Offline.lua: Assessment: Various fixes/cleanups for offline module |
| 04:52.14 | CIA-14 | 03roartindon * r47861 10Assessment/Modules/Offline.lua: Assessment: Offline - remember to save before committing next time.. |
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| 04:59.09 | SaladFork | Bah damnit |
| 04:59.15 | SaladFork | I just read a long post about Warlocks |
| 04:59.20 | SaladFork | And I'm tempted to play mine |
| 04:59.23 | SaladFork | But they're just so.... cheap |
| 05:00.27 | ckknight | what do you play normally? |
| 05:00.58 | SaladFork | Frost Mage is my main (Raid PvE spec), with my highest alt being a feral druid |
| 05:02.42 | ckknight | alright |
| 05:02.45 | ckknight | <--- pally |
| 05:02.53 | SaladFork | Nice deal |
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| 05:12.46 | ckknight | cya all later |
| 05:13.04 | SaladFork | Hey guys, quick question to you |
| 05:13.17 | SaladFork | My friend wants to buy some more WoW time by buying a wow card online, and wishes to pay with PayPal |
| 05:13.21 | SaladFork | Any of you guys have any experience with that? |
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| 05:25.09 | Recluse | well i must be more tired than i thought. anyone know why i get this localization error? http://pastey.net/73192 |
| 05:25.44 | SaladFork | line 14 |
| 05:25.51 | SaladFork | Why not just use ["SomeString"] = true? |
| 05:26.08 | Recluse | that was the first try, same error |
| 05:26.30 | SaladFork | What line in your addon is it complaining about |
| 05:27.05 | Recluse | line 26 in that pastey procs the error message |
| 05:28.16 | Recluse | tried = "SomeString" and tried = true - both cause the error |
| 05:28.40 | Arrowmaster | remove line 20 |
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| 05:29.33 | Arrowmaster | oh wait thats multiple files |
| 05:29.50 | Recluse | i had that thought as well "maybe it's overwriting it" but if you remove it you get the error about referencing "global L" lol |
| 05:30.44 | CC--home | what mod is it that allows ppl to pst you !gem for ur listing |
| 05:30.58 | Arrowmaster | craftlist2 |
| 05:31.03 | CC--home | thx |
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| 05:32.23 | SaladFork | Hmm, if two warlocks cast their DoTs on the same target, would the DoTs stack up? |
| 05:32.28 | SaladFork | Or would one override the other or something? |
| 05:32.32 | Xinhuan | stack |
| 05:32.38 | SaladFork | PvP aswell? |
| 05:32.41 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 05:32.52 | SaladFork | You 100% sure? |
| 05:32.56 | Xinhuan | of course |
| 05:33.05 | SaladFork | Just double checking |
| 05:33.40 | SaladFork | My friend and I are considering making a dual lock 2v2 team, any obvious flaw? |
| 05:33.53 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 05:33.59 | SaladFork | What's that? |
| 05:34.05 | Xinhuan | check armory - no double lock team in top 1000. :) |
| 05:34.11 | SaladFork | Exactly |
| 05:34.12 | Recluse | lol |
| 05:34.14 | SaladFork | I can't think why though |
| 05:34.18 | SaladFork | Was wondering if you guys could |
| 05:34.47 | Thorgard | 'Cause having two Warlocks in the same arena team breaks the game, Blizzard is banning all the double-warlock teams. |
| 05:34.48 | Arrowmaster | because warlocks are mushrooms |
| 05:35.03 | SaladFork | Thor - I figured that might be the case |
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| 05:35.21 | SaladFork | Arrow - mushrooms? |
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| 05:37.49 | Recluse | ah, i fixed it. was a namespace issue in the actual addon code |
| 05:38.16 | sid67 | did avion every get released in any way? |
| 05:38.18 | ckknight | hey all |
| 05:38.31 | Recluse | the loc file was referencing an older namespace - i might need to make some more coffee. wb ckk |
| 05:38.46 | SaladFork | ckknight - you ever buy wow time online using PayPal? |
| 05:38.53 | ckknight | oh yea |
| 05:38.56 | ckknight | quite often |
| 05:38.58 | SaladFork | Got any sites to recommend? |
| 05:39.02 | ckknight | it's my preferred method now |
| 05:39.07 | ckknight | gamersloot.net is what I use |
| 05:39.19 | SaladFork | Thanks! =) |
| 05:39.27 | SaladFork | Second question |
| 05:39.27 | SaladFork | My friend and I are considering making a dual lock 2v2 team, any obvious flaw? |
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| 05:40.18 | ckknight | SaladFork, yea |
| 05:40.19 | Thorgard | The most obvious flaw would be that it wouldn't be a challenge. ;P |
| 05:40.23 | SaladFork | What's that? |
| 05:40.30 | ckknight | how are noobs a lot like rogues? |
| 05:40.34 | ckknight | they both pick locks |
| 05:40.42 | SaladFork | I don't understand what you're saying? |
| 05:40.49 | Thorgard | ckknight, I thought they picked hunters? |
| 05:40.53 | SaladFork | oh |
| 05:40.54 | SaladFork | ahahaha |
| 05:41.02 | SaladFork | Ckk - he plays a Resto Shammy and I play a Frost Mage |
| 05:41.05 | SaladFork | both PvE specced/geared |
| 05:41.11 | SaladFork | We're trying to take a break and have some fun in Arena |
| 05:41.15 | ckknight | Thorgard, you misspelled "huntard" |
| 05:41.17 | SaladFork | we figured dual lock would be so OP it would be fun |
| 05:42.05 | Thorgard | ckknight, but you don't start out a huntard.. it's something you must strive to become.. at least by level 10 when you get the fuckin' pet and all hell breaks loose since controlling a pet is obviously rocket science. |
| 05:42.29 | ckknight | quite |
| 05:42.36 | teh_squid | PET ON AGGRESSIVE |
| 05:42.39 | teh_squid | wait no |
| 05:42.39 | SaladFork | Ckknight - Gamersloot.net has a lot of negative reviews for time cards, >.< |
| 05:42.43 | teh_squid | that's wrong |
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| 05:43.13 | ckknight | SaladFork, it's been good every time I've used it |
| 05:43.24 | SaladFork | ckk - it seems you need a scan of personal identification? |
| 05:43.25 | ckknight | which is like 4 times |
| 05:43.33 | ckknight | they phone you |
| 05:43.35 | ckknight | the first time |
| 05:43.39 | SaladFork | Some guy said they asked for his passport, another said they asked for SSN |
| 05:43.52 | ckknight | no, that's not true |
| 05:44.06 | ckknight | unless they changed things recently |
| 05:44.15 | SaladFork | some other guy said they wanted his driver's license faxed to him?! |
| 05:44.22 | SaladFork | faxed to them* |
| 05:44.56 | ckknight | *shrug* never happened with me |
| 05:45.00 | Thorgard | We do that to allow people jailed SSH access to their accounts. ;P They have to email a scanned copy of some photo ID.. |
| 05:45.20 | Thorgard | 'Tis so much more fun that way. |
| 05:45.25 | SaladFork | Ckk - I'll recommend it to my friend and hope for the best |
| 05:45.27 | SaladFork | Thanks for the recommendation |
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| 06:06.47 | CIA-14 | 03nemes * r47862 10PitBull/PitBull.lua: |
| 06:06.47 | CIA-14 | PitBull |
| 06:06.47 | CIA-14 | - Save frame positions when leaving world or destroying a frame, to retain any positions saved by frame modification addons |
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| 06:18.57 | CIA-14 | 03kaelten * r47863 10LibStub/LibStub.lua: |
| 06:18.57 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS- |
| 06:18.57 | CIA-14 | - Prepping for 1.0 tag. |
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| 06:20.03 | nogudnik | Quick question: I'm using Waterfall to handle the configuration dialog for my mod, but I can't figure out what I need to do to get it to show up an Niagra. Any suggestions on where I should look? |
| 06:20.59 | the-golem | you could look at another mod that uses niagara |
| 06:21.04 | Nargiddley | register the options table as a slash command with AceConsole, thats where Niagara gets the list from |
| 06:22.47 | nogudnik | Odd. I'm already registering it (borrowed the idea from another mod) and I still don't see it in Niagra. |
| 06:23.27 | nogudnik | Guess it's time to start spelunking though some other mods that are working and see what I'm doing differently. |
| 06:24.22 | CIA-14 | 03kaelten * r47864 10/tags/LibStub/ (. 1.0/ 1.0/LibStub.lua 1.0/LibStub.toc): |
| 06:24.22 | CIA-14 | LibStub: |
| 06:24.23 | CIA-14 | - 1.0 Tag |
| 06:25.47 | Recluse | hmm, the one i'm working on works in waterfall, though i didn't plan it that way. mine lists under "unknown" in the waterfall menu tho - you sure yours isn't hiding somewhere like that? |
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| 06:26.33 | Recluse | er, niagra, i mean |
| 06:26.40 | nogudnik | I've disabled almost all other mods and there are only 4 headers showing in Niagra at the moment. Mine ain't there :-( |
| 06:27.41 | nogudnik | The odd thing is, I can do a "/mymodname" from the command, and in the handler pop up a Waterfall window with my config. It's just in Niagra that is's missing |
| 06:31.04 | CIA-14 | 03nemes * r47865 10PitBull/PitBull.lua: |
| 06:31.04 | CIA-14 | PitBull |
| 06:31.04 | CIA-14 | - revert last change |
| 06:32.39 | Recluse | i dunno how niagra works (or what your code is), but do you have all the things like MyAddon.name = "foo" and MyAddon.OnMenuRequest = {something}? |
| 06:33.20 | Nargiddley | OnMenuRequest is for fubar |
| 06:34.40 | nogudnik | Yeah, I've got the .name= ... , not Fubar support so I'm not messing around with the OnMenuRequest stuff. |
| 06:36.02 | ckknight | Kaelten, yay, finally |
| 06:36.44 | nogudnik | The startup structure of my mod looks pretty much identical to http://wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace2_Addon, with the addition of Waterfall:Register(...) |
| 06:36.46 | Kaelten | Fubar or FuBar? |
| 06:36.54 | ckknight | Kaelten, LibStub |
| 06:37.03 | ckknight | oh, it's FuBar |
| 06:37.36 | nogudnik | my typo, no FuBar support at all in my mod, so I don't think that's the problem |
| 06:38.24 | Kaelten | Cartographer? |
| 06:38.41 | ckknight | yep |
| 06:38.49 | ckknight | you can make the project id CART for that |
| 06:39.42 | Kaelten | Parrot |
| 06:39.55 | ckknight | yep |
| 06:40.05 | Kaelten | am I missing any? |
| 06:40.14 | ckknight | PitBull |
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| 06:41.50 | Kaelten | for the ones with modules you'll need to create the modules as components and let their authors share the space |
| 06:41.57 | ckknight | right |
| 06:41.57 | Kaelten | we don't have enough room for a bajillion projects |
| 06:42.03 | ckknight | yea, that's what I expected. |
| 06:42.18 | Kaelten | still better than trac though |
| 06:42.22 | Kaelten | hella better than trac |
| 06:42.31 | Kaelten | btw, I got a license for crucible |
| 06:42.34 | ckknight | now I finally have a place to direct people |
| 06:42.35 | ckknight | awesome. |
| 06:42.36 | Kaelten | so I'll be upgrading fisheye to it |
| 06:42.47 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47866 10Joker/LibJoker-1.0/LibJoker-1.0.lua: LibJoker-1.0 - upgrade to LibStub r47864 |
| 06:46.10 | the-golem | wtf |
| 06:46.12 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07LibStub * r47867 10AceLibrary/AceLibrary.lua: AceLibrary (LibStub branch) - upgrade to LibStub r47864 |
| 06:46.15 | ckknight | what? |
| 06:46.34 | the-golem | stupid incame combat text doesn't like to change its size |
| 06:50.08 | Neebler | http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p88/spoofmaniac/hornoxe.com_picdump12_06.jpg |
| 06:50.09 | Neebler | haw |
| 06:50.29 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07LibStub * r47868 10AceLibrary/AceLibrary.lua: AceLibrary (LibStub branch) - make :HasInstance work properly with non-LibStub libraries. |
| 06:50.48 | ckknight | lol, Neebler |
| 06:51.15 | the-golem | i've fiddled with the design.lua portion relevant, putting in all sorts of different sizes, and no matter what it looks the same :-/ |
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| 06:55.25 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07LibStub * r47869 10AceLibrary/AceLibrary.lua: AceLibrary (LibStub branch) - make :IterateLibraries work properly with non-LibStub libraries. |
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| 06:56.13 | ckknight | alright, gone through every method, making sure there's dual LibStub/pre-LibStub support |
| 06:58.17 | the-golem | :-) |
| 06:58.28 | ckknight | it probably would work if I merged it in now, but I'll do some more testing for karma's sake |
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| 07:09.15 | ckknight | where can I download the TBC client? |
| 07:09.35 | Fisker- | in account management |
| 07:10.11 | Shirik | if you try to run without it, it will give you a link straight there |
| 07:10.14 | Shirik | to the page you can download it at |
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| 07:11.45 | ckknight | got it |
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| 07:17.22 | SaladFork | Any high level warlocks here? |
| 07:17.43 | Neebler | http://pown.alluc.org/?uid=268 |
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| 07:18.20 | nogudnik | SaladFork: I play a 70 'lock most of the time, what's up? |
| 07:18.36 | SaladFork | nogud - Doing some research on loks and such before I do my one up |
| 07:18.40 | SaladFork | Purely in a PvP perspective |
| 07:18.47 | SaladFork | Would you recommend Affliction or Demonology? |
| 07:19.10 | SaladFork | Afflic has fun stuff like UA and Siphon, but Demo has Felguard and Soul Link |
| 07:19.16 | nogudnik | Ahhh, not sure how much help I can be (8 lifetime kills), but fire away if you want. |
| 07:19.20 | SaladFork | Haha |
| 07:19.24 | SaladFork | I was just curious how well you knew the class |
| 07:19.37 | SaladFork | I play a mage mainly, and I've researched that class so much I could tell you the exact spec depending on exactly what you wanted to do |
| 07:19.43 | SaladFork | Was looking for a warlock who could do something similar |
| 07:19.45 | nogudnik | Most of the PvP 'locks I know go destruction + demononlgy |
| 07:19.51 | SaladFork | Like a combo? |
| 07:20.02 | SaladFork | no 'flics? |
| 07:20.21 | nogudnik | Yeah, the Felguard is supposed to be popular for PvP + enough destruction to cause some pain. |
| 07:20.33 | SaladFork | interesting |
| 07:20.47 | nogudnik | As I undertstand it, affliction is just to slow in PvP, 'lock got to kill them fats or they get stepped on. |
| 07:20.51 | SaladFork | So the felguard and all of the buffs you get from demo out-do the cool skills you get from afflic/destro? |
| 07:20.55 | SaladFork | Good point |
| 07:21.01 | SaladFork | 'flic is all about DoTs |
| 07:22.11 | SaladFork | Strange |
| 07:22.18 | SaladFork | I'm looking at the most famous PvP warlock of our realm |
| 07:22.22 | SaladFork | She's 6/44/11 |
| 07:22.32 | SaladFork | And the destro points are just enough to get Shadowburn |
| 07:22.36 | SaladFork | is shadowburn really that good? |
| 07:22.44 | nogudnik | Instant cast. |
| 07:22.57 | nogudnik | Not a great deal of damage, but a great finishing move. |
| 07:23.05 | SaladFork | Is it worth the 11 talent points? |
| 07:23.08 | SaladFork | That's quite an investment |
| 07:23.33 | Nargiddley | its worth it |
| 07:23.41 | SaladFork | mmk |
| 07:23.51 | SaladFork | I'm thinking of going 6/44/11 myself then |
| 07:23.57 | nogudnik | This is where I start to get out of my element. I'm PvE almost exclusively and I get Shadownburn because I'm spec'd pretty heavily in destro. |
| 07:23.58 | Fisker- | well you'll be in a situation where the other teams healers might get heals in when your enemies are at ~5-10% |
| 07:24.04 | Fisker- | shadowburn is a great way to counter that |
| 07:24.10 | Nargiddley | when i was pvping (at 60) I liked 7/7/37 i think it was |
| 07:24.25 | SaladFork | Fisker - yep |
| 07:24.32 | SaladFork | So the warlock has no other instacast direct-damage? |
| 07:24.45 | Fisker- | death coil |
| 07:24.50 | Fisker- | only one i remember |
| 07:25.01 | SaladFork | Ah, that explains lots |
| 07:25.07 | nogudnik | other that DoT-style stuff, nope. Shadownburn is about it. |
| 07:25.09 | SaladFork | An instant cast direct damage spell is priceless |
| 07:25.11 | nymbia | conflag |
| 07:25.16 | SaladFork | (My main's a mage, I <3 Fireblast) |
| 07:25.18 | dreamss2 | searing pain |
| 07:25.32 | dreamss2 | err |
| 07:25.36 | dreamss2 | non ic |
| 07:25.46 | SaladFork | Okay |
| 07:25.48 | SaladFork | For leveling up |
| 07:25.50 | dreamss2 | but dc can be made ic via 2 talents |
| 07:25.54 | SaladFork | I've heard mixed accounts between 'flic and demo |
| 07:25.56 | dreamss2 | err sb |
| 07:26.06 | SaladFork | I hear Demo's felguard makes leveling up a breeze, but I've also heard 'flic with "Drain Tanking" is even ebtter |
| 07:26.20 | nogudnik | Conflagration requires Immolation to be on the target already, so it's sort-of instant cast. |
| 07:26.26 | Nargiddley | well i'm finally getting around to getting to 70 |
| 07:26.32 | Nargiddley | and find affliction better |
| 07:26.37 | SaladFork | For leveling? |
| 07:26.46 | Nargiddley | yeah |
| 07:26.49 | SaladFork | interesting |
| 07:27.06 | dreamss2 | shadowfall/demonic sac build is nice for leveling |
| 07:27.07 | [Ammo] | demo felguard after 60 |
| 07:27.13 | dreamss2 | with the perma hot |
| 07:27.16 | SaladFork | Ammo - seriously? I've heard the opposite |
| 07:27.18 | [Ammo] | before that either full destro or full affliction |
| 07:27.23 | SaladFork | I've heard that Felguard's only good until about OL |
| 07:27.29 | [Ammo] | felguard works fine |
| 07:27.34 | [Ammo] | until you get shittons of +damage w |
| 07:27.39 | [Ammo] | which isn't until late 60's |
| 07:27.43 | Nargiddley | i liked felguard, i did 60-62ish as it |
| 07:27.49 | SaladFork | But you'd recommend affliction for leveling up to 60? |
| 07:28.06 | [Ammo] | I am an affliction whore |
| 07:28.10 | SaladFork | Ah |
| 07:28.11 | [Ammo] | so biased :) |
| 07:28.14 | SaladFork | Lol |
| 07:28.17 | Nargiddley | but I already have decent gear from raiding pre bc so affliction is better for me |
| 07:28.19 | SaladFork | Well, I'm neutral at teh moment |
| 07:28.35 | SaladFork | Considering going demo for leveling though, since the thought of just letting my pet kill shit while I do whatever is appealing |
| 07:28.37 | nogudnik | Affliction or Demon is definitely the way to level. I leveled with Demon |
| 07:29.04 | SaladFork | Okay |
| 07:29.10 | SaladFork | I'll be going 6/44/11 I guess |
| 07:29.16 | SaladFork | Hmm |
| 07:29.17 | SaladFork | For arenas |
| 07:29.19 | SaladFork | Even though I'm demo |
| 07:29.35 | SaladFork | Should I stick 100% to felguard, or would Felhunter be smarter (Spell Lock, Consume Magic, etc.) |
| 07:29.37 | dreamss2 | my felguard can hold agro with 3 dots and drainlife without the taunt on |
| 07:29.50 | [Ammo] | dreamss2: amount of +damage? |
| 07:29.55 | dreamss2 | 300 |
| 07:29.59 | [Ammo] | ah there you go |
| 07:30.05 | [Ammo] | try again with 1000+ :) |
| 07:30.09 | SaladFork | Anyone? |
| 07:30.13 | SaladFork | Felguard or Felhunter for PvP? |
| 07:30.13 | dreamss2 | for leveling? |
| 07:30.16 | dreamss2 | im 60 |
| 07:30.19 | SaladFork | Oh |
| 07:30.22 | SaladFork | I'm talking purely PvP purposes |
| 07:30.26 | [Ammo] | SaladFork: pvp? I'd use the felhunter vs casters |
| 07:30.29 | dreamss2 | at what lvl? |
| 07:30.30 | [Ammo] | lock em down and burn em |
| 07:30.34 | SaladFork | dreams - 70 |
| 07:30.36 | [Ammo] | eat their buffs |
| 07:30.37 | Fisker- | :( |
| 07:30.38 | SaladFork | I have 2 70's who do PvE |
| 07:30.44 | dreamss2 | felguard owns clothies tho |
| 07:30.45 | SaladFork | I want to make a PvP oriented character now |
| 07:30.52 | SaladFork | Just doing my research now |
| 07:30.55 | SaladFork | I've already decided on a lok |
| 07:30.59 | SaladFork | And that I'll be 6/44/11 demo |
| 07:31.18 | SaladFork | So would you recommend Felhunter be out, even if one's demo specced? |
| 07:31.18 | dreamss2 | 6? |
| 07:31.20 | SaladFork | For arena, I guess |
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| 07:31.32 | [Ammo] | for arena use felhunter |
| 07:31.33 | SaladFork | dreams - 5 points into Improved Corruption, obviously |
| 07:31.34 | [Ammo] | there is always a caster in there |
| 07:31.35 | Fisker- | felhunter is nice if you can l2p |
| 07:31.38 | dreamss2 | for arena u need felhunter |
| 07:31.40 | [Ammo] | if there is not get that felguard out and slap em |
| 07:31.46 | SaladFork | Okay, thanks! =) |
| 07:31.50 | Fisker- | usually i get this felhunter that runs to me, spell locks and then i lol |
| 07:31.53 | SaladFork | Ammo - you mean with a Fel Domination? |
| 07:32.00 | [Ammo] | ofcourse |
| 07:32.07 | Fisker- | auto-casting spell lock = premature lose |
| 07:32.11 | [Ammo] | you're not gonna stand there 5 secnods waiting right? |
| 07:32.12 | SaladFork | XD |
| 07:32.15 | dreamss2 | shadowburn/shadowfall/sl build gotta be insane |
| 07:32.19 | SaladFork | Mmhmm |
| 07:32.34 | [Ammo] | and if you're demo without fel dominitation |
| 07:32.36 | [Ammo] | -> back to school |
| 07:32.46 | SaladFork | is the Soul Siphon worth it at all if one's Demo specced? |
| 07:32.59 | dreamss2 | Soul Siphon? |
| 07:33.15 | SaladFork | Increases drain from Drain Life and Drain Mana by 2% per afflic effect |
| 07:33.18 | SaladFork | It seems awesome for PvP |
| 07:33.23 | dreamss2 | oh it is |
| 07:33.24 | Nargiddley | ew no |
| 07:33.24 | SaladFork | Even PvE actually |
| 07:33.33 | SaladFork | is 4%/effect significant at all? |
| 07:33.41 | Nargiddley | PvE maybe, i skipped it tho |
| 07:33.42 | dreamss2 | fear is afliction |
| 07:33.45 | dreamss2 | i think |
| 07:33.53 | SaladFork | I'm sitting at 5/43/11, and I've got 2 points to throw around |
| 07:33.56 | SaladFork | Trying to figure out where to put it |
| 07:33.56 | [Ammo] | it's sweet in pve |
| 07:34.09 | SaladFork | Keep in mind this is a purely PvP character |
| 07:34.09 | [Ammo] | life tap life tap, life tap life tap, drain |
| 07:34.17 | SaladFork | Yep |
| 07:34.18 | dreamss2 | word |
| 07:34.18 | [Ammo] | in pvp I don't see the use really |
| 07:34.33 | SaladFork | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVZbxczIiz0estxx0z |
| 07:34.39 | SaladFork | If anyone's curious what I have so far |
| 07:34.41 | SaladFork | That's 5/43/11 +2 |
| 07:34.44 | dreamss2 | did lock used to pwn my ass, then heal himself full while im feared |
| 07:34.47 | SaladFork | Can't figure out where to put the last 2 |
| 07:35.30 | SaladFork | The best PvP warlock on my realm put 1 in Improved Life Tap and 1 in Mana Feed |
| 07:35.32 | SaladFork | but that seems silly to me |
| 07:35.49 | SaladFork | Hmm, what do you guys think? |
| 07:35.57 | [Ammo] | depending on your gear chuck em in supression |
| 07:36.05 | [Ammo] | as in how much +hit do you have |
| 07:36.11 | SaladFork | Well, I'll be sure to cap it out |
| 07:36.16 | SaladFork | It's a very low cap for equal level players |
| 07:36.26 | Neebler | ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD |
| 07:37.21 | SaladFork | Ammo - any other suggetsion? |
| 07:37.44 | SaladFork | Should I put 1 (or 2) in Mana Feed? How well do pets usually manage mana? |
| 07:38.24 | [Ammo] | that's not the question |
| 07:38.29 | [Ammo] | the question is, how well do you manage your pet |
| 07:38.33 | SaladFork | hehe |
| 07:38.40 | SaladFork | Well, where would you recommend I put the last 2 points? |
| 07:38.41 | [Ammo] | if you pvp and your pets abilities are on auto -> back to school |
| 07:38.44 | SaladFork | From a purely PvP perspective |
| 07:38.47 | SaladFork | No, I know that much |
| 07:38.48 | SaladFork | =P |
| 07:39.24 | [Ammo] | well I don't pvp much, but you might try the +crit from destro |
| 07:39.37 | SaladFork | Nah, +crit is useless in PvP |
| 07:39.41 | SaladFork | Resilience all but counters it |
| 07:39.48 | SaladFork | And all decent PvPers are stacked full of it |
| 07:40.16 | [Ammo] | then go for mana feed |
| 07:40.21 | SaladFork | both points? |
| 07:40.24 | [Ammo] | although depends on how much mana you gain |
| 07:40.33 | SaladFork | so 1 into iLifeTap and the other into MF? |
| 07:41.10 | SaladFork | mmk, thanks |
| 07:41.13 | SaladFork | it's nearing 4am here |
| 07:41.15 | SaladFork | Goodnigth! =D |
| 07:41.19 | SaladFork | night* |
| 07:41.35 | Arrowmaster | suppression is so useless for pvp |
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| 07:48.56 | theoddone33 | having a 70 lock sounds fun |
| 07:49.06 | theoddone33 | I really hate how much work leveling is |
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| 07:50.50 | Recluse | is this the best way to test if another addon is running? if AddonNamespace then AddonNamespace:DoSomething end |
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| 07:51.17 | *** mode/#wowace [+o MoonWolf] by ChanServ |
| 07:51.34 | [Ammo] | depends on the addon |
| 07:52.18 | Recluse | how do you mean? |
| 07:53.59 | [Ammo] | the addon might be local -> no way of reaching it :) |
| 07:54.09 | Warloxx | or do: if IsAddOnLoaded(index or "AddOnName") then |
| 07:54.12 | [Ammo] | or the addon might not use a namespace |
| 07:56.05 | Recluse | IsAddOnLoaded("Pitbull") for example would return true if Pitbull was running? Is that a blizzard function? |
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| 07:57.24 | Warloxx | yes it |
| 07:57.29 | Warloxx | 's a blizz func |
| 07:59.37 | Warloxx | here are some addon funcs http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#AddOn_Functions |
| 08:02.06 | Recluse | k ty |
| 08:07.59 | CIA-14 | 03phanx * r47870 10OnScreenHealth/ (OnScreenHealth.lua OnScreenHealth.toc): |
| 08:07.59 | CIA-14 | OnScreenHealth: |
| 08:07.59 | CIA-14 | - Fixed combat alpha not applied on load |
| 08:07.59 | CIA-14 | - Fixed font face not saving between sessions (hopefully, again) |
| 08:08.00 | CIA-14 | - Added MobHealth to optional deps |
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| 08:14.49 | orionshock | morning all |
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| 08:38.23 | baer_ | moin |
| 08:40.08 | Fisker- | oh u cncfanatics |
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| 08:48.17 | Fisker- | Anyone know how i can make a spell use target's target (if hostile), self-cast on ALT and just cast normally when a friendly target? |
| 08:48.44 | Thelyna | roughly |
| 08:48.47 | Xinhuan | err yes |
| 08:49.19 | Fisker- | oh my god |
| 08:49.24 | Fisker- | auctioneer advanced :O |
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| 08:49.47 | Fisker- | Xinhuan got an example? |
| 08:49.54 | Fisker- | I really ~never use macros so i have no idea :P |
| 08:50.07 | Silviu- | ~seen phanx |
| 08:50.08 | purl | phanx <n=phanx133@71-210-80-180.blng.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 11d 7h 29m 59s ago, saying: 'Okay, I think I got it this time. :S'. |
| 08:50.14 | Thelyna | lemme dig up my flash of light macro |
| 08:50.56 | Fisker- | exactly what i need it for |
| 08:51.41 | Thelyna | ./cast [target=targettarget, help] [target=self, modifier:alt] [target=target, help] Flash of Light |
| 08:51.49 | Thelyna | I'm not entirely sure on the alt-selfcast bit |
| 08:52.10 | Fisker- | i'll check it out |
| 08:53.13 | Fisker- | nice |
| 08:53.28 | Fisker- | just downloaded auctioner advanced and i remembered why i always removed bottomscanner |
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| 08:53.42 | Fisker- | 8MiB memory usage and i just loaded |
| 08:53.46 | NM|Xinhuan|Guru | woo bsod ftl |
| 08:53.52 | omega | auctioner advanced? |
| 08:53.55 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 08:54.05 | Fisker- | new "memory-efficient" version of auctioneer |
| 08:54.10 | Fisker- | modules and what not |
| 08:54.26 | Fisker- | http://auctioneeraddon.com/advanced/ |
| 08:54.27 | Fisker- | looks nice too |
| 08:54.52 | Xinhuan2 | real question is whether it still uses Enhtooltip |
| 08:54.57 | Fisker- | it does |
| 08:54.59 | Xinhuan2 | because that thing is such a memory hog |
| 08:55.14 | Xinhuan2 | i prospected 6 stacks of ore and it generated enough garbage to cause GC to run 3 times |
| 08:55.30 | Fisker- | :P |
| 08:56.00 | Thelyna | I just loaded auctioneer and bottomscanner, they instantly jumped to the top of my memory usage list |
| 08:56.01 | Fisker- | it just sucks you can't unload stuff dynamically |
| 08:56.21 | Fisker- | well bottomscanner even does it outside the auctionhouse |
| 08:56.30 | Thelyna | Fisker-: http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macro#modifier:shift.2Fctrl.2Falt |
| 08:56.35 | Thelyna | go nuts |
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| 08:58.13 | Thelyna | mwahahah, my evil plan has succeeded |
| 08:58.22 | Thelyna | got a guildie to go to gnomer for a mace, and now he's lost |
| 08:58.27 | Fisker- | works perfectly the one you gave me |
| 08:58.46 | Thelyna | ... considering I wrote that macro basically from memory that's kinda scary |
| 08:58.51 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 08:58.58 | Fisker- | auctioneer embed itself in the ui |
| 08:59.12 | Fisker- | well the spaces you had, had to be removed |
| 09:00.10 | Fisker- | there's this golden button in the side of the screen |
| 09:00.16 | Fisker- | that's a mouseover for auctioneer :/ |
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| 09:02.58 | Fisker- | oh hi Punkie` |
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| 09:04.14 | Punkie` | oh hai Fisker- |
| 09:04.29 | Fisker- | btw |
| 09:04.31 | Fisker- | just a fyi |
| 09:04.35 | Fisker- | i'm on the auctionhouse |
| 09:04.48 | Fisker- | and auctioneer is only taking up 2MiB sofar :OOO |
| 09:04.48 | Punkie` | nice |
| 09:04.58 | Fisker- | i'm hoping it'll last |
| 09:05.03 | Punkie` | nah |
| 09:05.54 | Fisker- | pretty stupid way of displaying prices btw |
| 09:06.04 | Fisker- | you can make it show the whole price, or per unit price |
| 09:06.06 | Fisker- | not both |
| 09:06.13 | Punkie` | oh :o |
| 09:06.20 | Punkie` | only ever used that addon 1 time :P |
| 09:06.32 | Fisker- | new auctioneer advanced :O |
| 09:06.38 | Fisker- | it knows kung fu |
| 09:06.44 | Punkie` | advanced? :o |
| 09:06.47 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 09:07.04 | Fisker- | you should almost think it was an Ace addon |
| 09:07.12 | Fisker- | it has profiles, modules, etc. |
| 09:07.23 | Punkie` | is it better than seaking? |
| 09:07.26 | Fisker- | we should've patented that when we had the chance |
| 09:07.31 | Fisker- | don't know about seaking |
| 09:07.43 | Fisker- | only thing that annoys the fuck out of me is this auctioneer button |
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| 09:08.50 | Punkie` | just looked at a screenie |
| 09:08.51 | Punkie` | looks better |
| 09:09.01 | Fisker- | http://i9.tinypic.com/5yd00ua.jpg |
| 09:09.21 | Fisker- | i want that coin button to disappear! |
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| 09:10.17 | Fisker- | ~seen norganna |
| 09:10.18 | purl | norganna is currently on #norganna. Has said a total of 54 messages. Is idling for 1h 11m 56s, last said: '~botsnack'. |
| 09:10.26 | Fisker- | ;( |
| 09:10.30 | Fisker- | he needs to visit here more |
| 09:10.55 | omega | Fisker-: what auctiuoneer button? |
| 09:10.57 | omega | I cant find it |
| 09:10.58 | Fisker- | seems to be plateauing at 3MiB usage btw |
| 09:11.03 | Fisker- | http://i9.tinypic.com/5yd00ua.jpg |
| 09:11.12 | Fisker- | middle-upper-right |
| 09:11.20 | Fisker- | bigass coin icon |
| 09:11.27 | Punkie` | i know why that is |
| 09:11.40 | CIA-14 | 03cwdg * r47871 10Quixote/Quixote-1.0/Quixote-1.0.lua: Quixote: update zhCN local |
| 09:11.42 | Punkie` | because you've destroyed auctioneer with skinner |
| 09:11.52 | omega | ahh |
| 09:12.02 | omega | now I see it |
| 09:12.06 | omega | it sorta pops out there |
| 09:12.32 | Punkie` | damn that skinner is ugly |
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| 09:13.08 | Fisker- | considered that the new auctioneer haven't even been ported i'm happy with the result |
| 09:13.47 | Punkie` | i have no idea how you think that looks nice :P |
| 09:13.59 | omega | man, shared media lib leaks alot of memory for me |
| 09:15.54 | omega | it starts at 4.66mb, keeps growing and growing, and GC always brings it back down to 4.5ish |
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| 09:17.31 | Gigantic | boo |
| 09:17.53 | Gigantic | I wonder how many of you use Linux |
| 09:18.06 | Gigantic | I'd like to be in a Linux guild |
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| 09:18.11 | Kreiger | sup guys |
| 09:18.40 | Punkie` | omega: wtf do you have in there? |
| 09:19.34 | Punkie` | Lib: SharedMedia-1.0 18.689KiB |
| 09:19.44 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc you there? |
| 09:19.55 | sag_ich_nicht | maybe you can reproduce the bug if i send you my interface and you try it with that >.> |
| 09:20.32 | omega | Punkie`: nothing appart from the standard stuff |
| 09:20.40 | omega | Gigantic: I use linux |
| 09:20.56 | neenee | I used linux. |
| 09:20.59 | Punkie` | omega: something is wrong then :P |
| 09:21.09 | Gigantic | :) You hava guild? |
| 09:21.23 | Gigantic | nah, I am amazed on how good it run in Lin |
| 09:21.30 | Gigantic | it's just like native |
| 09:22.19 | Kreiger | I have two questions for you guys, if you don't mind. |
| 09:22.34 | Kreiger | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:22.45 | Punkie` | ~asktoask |
| 09:22.46 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 09:23.10 | Kreiger | 1) Is there a way for omen to show me what's causing what threat? Like, heroic strike is 20% of my threat, etc |
| 09:23.22 | Kreiger | I know KTM has that, but i didn't see the option in omen. |
| 09:23.56 | CIA-14 | 03cwdg * r47872 10SinkLib/Sink-1.0/Sink-1.0.lua: |
| 09:23.56 | CIA-14 | SinkLib: |
| 09:23.56 | CIA-14 | -update zhCN local |
| 09:24.05 | Silviu- | Kreiger i think it was an debug option |
| 09:24.16 | Gigantic | brb I try to use wow chat system :s |
| 09:24.22 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.41 | Kreiger | Silviu-, so what does that mean? |
| 09:24.51 | omega | Gigantic: nah, guildless :) |
| 09:24.59 | Silviu- | Kreiger it will show in chat what u wanted |
| 09:25.17 | Silviu- | But don`t remember how was the option i see /omen debug is not working ;) |
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| 09:27.10 | Gigantic | omega: I'd really love to be in a Lin guild |
| 09:27.43 | Gigantic | omega: I am in Darrowmere but haven't found any ;| |
| 09:27.45 | Silviu- | Kreiger u have Niagara ? |
| 09:27.54 | neenee | There was a gentoo guild once |
| 09:28.37 | Silviu- | Kreiger go into Niagara, Other Threat1.0 and "Start with display" |
| 09:28.48 | Silviu- | i think that was the option |
| 09:29.12 | Gigantic | neenee: And what happened? Quake wars was more interesting? :p |
| 09:29.18 | Fisker- | you suck! |
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| 09:29.58 | neenee | Gigantic - I wasn't in it, I'm not sure what happened to it. I was making the transition from gentoo to debian at the time and I was in another guild already. |
| 09:30.32 | neenee | Though I never managed to get WoW running as well as on Windows, not with Wine(x) nor Cedega. |
| 09:31.16 | Gigantic | neenee: I use Suse and Debian too but doesn't matter |
| 09:31.29 | neenee | I know, the distro doesn't matter |
| 09:31.34 | neenee | You can do the same things with any. |
| 09:31.54 | Gigantic | no the problem is that some peep try to make it run trough Cedega with DirectX |
| 09:32.00 | neenee | I didn't mean that the distro mattered, I just meant I wasn't in a gentoo guild partly because I wasn't using gentoo |
| 09:32.05 | neenee | I know |
| 09:32.07 | neenee | I tried OpenGL too |
| 09:32.14 | neenee | I tried everything for about a year, on and off. |
| 09:32.16 | Kreiger | Silviu-, i don't have "Threat1.0 in my Others in niagara |
| 09:32.17 | neenee | All to no avail. |
| 09:32.19 | Gigantic | you just have to run it with wine with: Wow.exe -opengl |
| 09:32.37 | neenee | I tried everything, but it's over a year ago, perhaps they made progress since then |
| 09:32.38 | CIA-14 | 03cwdg * r47873 10Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 09:32.38 | CIA-14 | Threat-1.0: |
| 09:32.38 | CIA-14 | update zhCN local |
| 09:33.02 | Gigantic | ah, yes wine made a major advance about June this year |
| 09:33.42 | Gigantic | Cedega anouncet their wonderbulos version6 |
| 09:33.56 | Gigantic | ar they say is wonderbulous |
| 09:34.15 | Fisker- | fan-fucking-tastic? |
| 09:34.21 | omega | Gigantic: hehe, I don't play to much, so I dont care about guilds |
| 09:34.24 | sag_ich_nicht | more like wine made a major advance 3 days ago when bleeter uncovered a non-documented behaviour in windows below vista that fucks up direct sound |
| 09:34.24 | Gigantic | hehe |
| 09:34.25 | sag_ich_nicht | >:O |
| 09:34.48 | Fisker- | btw lulz internet dramas Punkie` |
| 09:35.02 | CIA-14 | 03cwdg * r47874 10Waterfall-1.0/Waterfall-1.0/Waterfall-1.0.lua: Waterfall-1.0: update zhCN local |
| 09:35.08 | Silviu- | Kreiger :/ don`t know then |
| 09:35.17 | Fisker- | Our guild put in some dkp system to eventually reduce an item's minimum price by 75% |
| 09:35.24 | sag_ich_nicht | alternative for omen that uses threat-1.0 to show threat until antiarc fixes omen |
| 09:35.26 | sag_ich_nicht | please |
| 09:35.27 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 09:35.34 | Gigantic | omega: That's fine but if you remember on what server it was I'd join |
| 09:35.43 | Fisker- | A lot of us raiders didn't like that some classes/persons would get an advantage in price because of that and we posted about it |
| 09:36.01 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 09:36.08 | sag_ich_nicht | rDKP > all other DKP systems |
| 09:36.09 | sag_ich_nicht | imho |
| 09:36.42 | Fisker- | immediately some druid, who's a woman, and also won an item at 75% the usual price starting up a fuzz by saying we were lame to accuse the officers of doing this to benefit her |
| 09:36.50 | Fisker- | Not to mention that noone never mentioned that |
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| 09:37.03 | Fisker- | Good job on verifying accusations that were not even an issue |
| 09:37.32 | Fisker- | (she's already known to have quite a bit influence over some of the officers because zomg girls on the internet) |
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| 09:39.06 | CIA-14 | 03ascalia * r47875 10AtlasLoot/ (7 files in 3 dirs): |
| 09:39.06 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 09:39.06 | CIA-14 | - added full change for BT Patterns/Plans |
| 09:39.22 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker- |
| 09:39.44 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/3964/ |
| 09:39.48 | sag_ich_nicht | check this out :P |
| 09:39.58 | sag_ich_nicht | superior DKP system :P |
| 09:40.43 | Fisker- | no me |
| 09:41.15 | sag_ich_nicht | no seriously, it's really better, go and read the documentation/explanation |
| 09:43.05 | sag_ich_nicht | you get ludicriously high DKP values over time with it tho, but since you don't spend DKP for gear in this system, it doesn't really matter :O |
| 09:43.22 | Gigantic | To install cartographer then I'd have to run the cartographerlod.sh ? |
| 09:43.34 | Gigantic | 'casue it just copy the folders |
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| 09:47.17 | Gigantic | !faq |
| 09:48.20 | Diao | wow |
| 09:48.43 | Diao | i just got cheated :( |
| 09:48.50 | Diao | honor should've reset 5 minutes later |
| 09:48.57 | Diao | i'm 3 honor short of buying a new piece of gear |
| 09:50.56 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 09:50.57 | sag_ich_nicht | pwnt |
| 09:51.23 | Gigantic | I just put Carrtographer under Program Files/World of Warcraft/Interface/AddOns ? |
| 09:51.37 | Gigantic | 'cuase I see no instructions |
| 09:52.14 | Diao | also |
| 09:52.14 | Diao | whoa |
| 09:52.28 | Diao | just updated all addons and threat-1.0 is throwing 2340293424029 errors at me |
| 09:52.28 | Gigantic | I just see the bug wiki :s |
| 09:53.35 | sag_ich_nicht | my bugsack is clean, Diao |
| 09:53.41 | sag_ich_nicht | must be an issue on your side |
| 09:53.59 | Diao | i doubt it |
| 09:54.43 | sag_ich_nicht | well, i don't. addon list please. |
| 09:54.45 | Diao | actually it's only 44 errors on initial load |
| 09:54.48 | Diao | but |
| 09:55.13 | Diao | http://www.clockwork-guild.net/Addons.txt |
| 09:55.17 | sag_ich_nicht | addon list, and show me the errors |
| 09:55.35 | Diao | [2007/09/01 02:56:05-1372-x1]: Threat-1.0\Threat-1.0.lua:141: unexpected symbol near '=' |
| 09:55.43 | Diao | [2007/09/01 02:56:05-1372-x1]: Threat-1.0\Threat-1.0\ThreatBuffsData.lua:123: 'end' expected (to close 'function' at line 8) near '<eof>' |
| 09:55.51 | Diao | [2007/09/01 02:56:05-1372-x1]: Threat-1.0\Threat-1.0\ThreatKLHTMSupport.lua:4: attempt to compare nil with number |
| 09:55.54 | Diao | etc etc etc |
| 09:55.58 | sag_ich_nicht | o_O |
| 09:56.02 | sag_ich_nicht | uhm |
| 09:56.13 | Diao | probably all related to the first error |
| 09:56.15 | sag_ich_nicht | what are you using to update? |
| 09:56.18 | Diao | WAU |
| 09:56.24 | sag_ich_nicht | 1 or 2? |
| 09:56.29 | Diao | 1 |
| 09:56.34 | Gigantic | yah.. |
| 09:56.43 | Gigantic | wouldn't hurt to put a README |
| 09:56.48 | Gigantic | ;) |
| 09:56.57 | Diao | it's r47873 |
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| 09:57.38 | lolinternet | ... |
| 09:57.40 | lolinternet | disconnect |
| 09:57.42 | lolinternet | repeat anything after my question, please, Diao |
| 09:57.46 | Diao | lol |
| 09:57.50 | Diao | WAU 1 |
| 09:57.55 | Diao | and threat is at r47873 |
| 09:58.17 | Diao | was working fine until i updated it just now so i'm assuming it has something to do with the last update |
| 09:58.29 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 09:58.31 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
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| 09:58.46 | FRUCHT | hi |
| 09:58.54 | sag_ich_nicht | oh there was an update a few minutes ago... probably came from that, try reverting to 47819 |
| 09:59.12 | sag_ich_nicht | if that doesn't work you probably have some embedding problem :P |
| 09:59.21 | CIA-14 | 03pb_ee1 * r47876 10ChatLog/ (9 files): ChatLog: Adding specific max log size for combat. Dfault: 500. |
| 09:59.43 | sag_ich_nicht | oh RIGHT, still have to do the translation for pb_ee1 |
| 09:59.48 | FRUCHT | i was just wondering if there's a way (an addon) to make my character visible all the time |
| 10:00.11 | FRUCHT | like when lots of people are standing inside each other |
| 10:00.20 | FRUCHT | you always see the tauren |
| 10:00.21 | Diao | uh well |
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| 10:00.58 | lolinternet | jesus christ this DSL is unstable |
| 10:01.02 | Diao | i don't use embeds |
| 10:01.07 | Diao | so it won't be a problem with that |
| 10:01.08 | Diao | :P |
| 10:01.23 | lolinternet | yeah |
| 10:01.52 | lolinternet | my point is maybe you have something embedded accidentially... i misstrust WAUs internal system for this, still have !!!SAL installed |
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| 10:02.27 | lolinternet | but i'd try reverting first |
| 10:02.36 | lolinternet | and if it fixes it, flaming cwdg |
| 10:03.14 | Diao | lol |
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| 10:04.04 | cncfanatics | good morning ppl |
| 10:04.33 | Diao | mmhm |
| 10:04.38 | Diao | seems like reverting fixed it |
| 10:07.16 | Industrial | FRUCHT: what makes you think we can mess with 3d models? |
| 10:07.32 | Industrial | FRUCHT: dont you see the evil possibilities? |
| 10:07.45 | FRUCHT | actually, i never thought about it |
| 10:08.24 | Gigantic | yei !!! |
| 10:08.26 | FRUCHT | can you read the current camera options? |
| 10:08.31 | Gigantic | it work :) |
| 10:08.57 | FRUCHT | so maybe you can maybe put a dot or something at the point where you characters feet probably are |
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| 10:11.23 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 10:12.27 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 10:12.35 | sag_ich_nicht | just saw someone in the AH called Herius |
| 10:12.41 | sag_ich_nicht | made me snicker :D |
| 10:13.04 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 10:13.05 | sag_ich_nicht | nvm |
| 10:13.11 | sag_ich_nicht | now i'm even confusing names |
| 10:13.15 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:13.24 | cncfanatics | still as nab as usual sach_ich_night |
| 10:13.34 | sag_ich_nicht | yes cncfanatics |
| 10:13.46 | cncfanatics | it wasnt a question, more of a statement |
| 10:14.01 | sag_ich_nicht | i was just confirming it |
| 10:14.03 | sag_ich_nicht | but! |
| 10:14.05 | sag_ich_nicht | that doesn't chang |
| 10:14.07 | sag_ich_nicht | *change |
| 10:14.11 | sag_ich_nicht | that this song is awesome |
| 10:14.12 | sag_ich_nicht | >:O |
| 10:14.28 | sag_ich_nicht | (yes, i know, no spam, blabla, bored and nobody is talking and auctioneer is taking forever to scan) |
| 10:14.33 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 10:14.35 | cncfanatics | poor german |
| 10:14.53 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 10:14.56 | sag_ich_nicht | not german |
| 10:15.05 | Fisker- | btw cncfanatics :( |
| 10:15.12 | cncfanatics | yes ? |
| 10:15.19 | Fisker- | I think you can only make 3000 buttons |
| 10:15.28 | cncfanatics | thats all ? |
| 10:15.29 | cncfanatics | boo |
| 10:15.49 | Fisker- | Well mine can't connect, and my savedvar appeared to have ~3000 buttons |
| 10:15.56 | Fisker- | just disconnects me after some minutes |
| 10:20.01 | Fisker- | i've got balls of steel |
| 10:20.33 | CIA-14 | 03pb_ee1 * r47877 10ChatLog/Core-Initialize.lua: ChatLog: Changing warning message for the migration to the new name. |
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| 10:39.13 | Punkie` | oh u Fisker- |
| 10:39.43 | Fisker- | oh me Punkie` |
| 10:40.11 | Fisker- | i like how auctioneer is stupid though |
| 10:40.21 | Fisker- | according to it the Primal Fire market value is ~10g |
| 10:40.40 | nevcairiel | man blizzard needs to fix their gfx renderer |
| 10:40.42 | Fisker- | and as such it'll auto calculate the the auctions to that, even though all auctions on at the moment is atleast 25g |
| 10:40.55 | Fisker- | for the main menu? :P |
| 10:41.31 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker- so just reset the item stats? |
| 10:41.41 | Punkie` | he just did this morning i think |
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| 10:44.31 | Fisker- | yeah sag_ich_nicht |
| 10:44.45 | Fisker- | as i just moved to the new auctioneer the old data was already invalid |
| 10:45.07 | Fisker- | a fresh scan after and primal fires are way over "their market value" |
| 10:45.17 | Fisker- | even though they've never been beneath 20g on this server at all |
| 10:46.37 | Fisker- | but now auctioneer advanced is back to it's old ways |
| 10:46.56 | Fisker- | Bottomscanner is using 12MiB and Auctioneer Advanced is currently using 9MiB |
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| 11:06.59 | Fisker- | hi Elkano |
| 11:07.05 | Fisker- | Punkie` hates me :( |
| 11:08.46 | cncfanatics | and cnc loves him |
| 11:09.59 | Elkano | ho Fisker- ... fix Threat... ;) |
| 11:10.08 | evl | Any addon that logs how much money that's been spent earned? |
| 11:10.37 | Punkie` | moneyfu |
| 11:10.43 | cncfanatics | expensehistory or moneyfu |
| 11:13.12 | Recluse | well, i guess i've been up for too long. mouse is dead. night all XD |
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| 11:19.54 | Industrial | cncfanatics: I cant use a healthstone from a button in fb2 |
| 11:20.02 | Industrial | cncfanatics: and the paintchips is still wrong in the embeds |
| 11:20.03 | Industrial | :3 |
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| 11:20.32 | Neebler | I laugh to myself when people say their mouse is dead. pathetic in my opinion to use a wireless mouse that requires batteries |
| 11:22.01 | FRUCHT | are there any known issues with the latest revisions of omen and recount? |
| 11:22.31 | evl | Fisker-: I can't even get that new auctioneer working at all |
| 11:22.57 | Undine | i'm trialing the new auctioneer ok |
| 11:23.39 | evl | I keep getting an error in Appraiser:444 GetSellValue nil |
| 11:24.01 | Undine | i'm currently scanning. once it's done i'll see if i have the same |
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| 11:26.18 | CIA-14 | 03pb_ee1 * r47878 10ChatLog/ (Core-Initialize.lua Core-Interface.lua): ChatLog: Fixing copy window error. |
| 11:29.19 | Elkano | anyone with svn access mind looking ofer the garbage that the last commit to Thrat-1.0 is? China failed once again... |
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| 11:33.28 | evl | Fisker-: nvm informat was requried but not dep :) |
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| 11:41.21 | FRUCHT | what the heck is wrong with the latest omen/recount revisions? |
| 11:41.24 | FRUCHT | omen doesnt work at all |
| 11:41.26 | FRUCHT | i even deleted |
| 11:41.31 | FRUCHT | my savedvariables |
| 11:41.32 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47879 10Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0/ (Threat-1.0.lua ThreatBuffsData.lua): Threat-1.0: fixing errors introduced in latest commit |
| 11:41.40 | FRUCHT | oh, thanks :) |
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| 11:42.05 | Undine | lol |
| 11:42.21 | Undine | question about tooltips/arkinventory |
| 11:42.51 | Undine | just noticed, hovering over an item in arkinventory and my framerate drops. hovering over same item in the ah, no problem :( |
| 11:43.34 | Athou | Elkano: there you go :) |
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| 11:49.14 | cncfanatics | Industrial, sec |
| 11:49.24 | cncfanatics | can't see why healthstones don't work |
| 11:49.29 | cncfanatics | but let me check paintchips |
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| 11:51.49 | cncfanatics | Industrial, still here ? |
| 11:52.24 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47881 10FlexBar2/embeds.xml: FlexBar2: Fix libs |
| 11:52.41 | Industrial | cncfanatics: yes |
| 11:52.51 | Industrial | cncfanatics: im always here |
| 11:52.56 | cncfanatics | paintchipslib should be fixed |
| 11:53.00 | cncfanatics | what error u get with HS ? |
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| 11:59.12 | Industrial | nothing |
| 11:59.15 | Industrial | nothing happens |
| 11:59.41 | Industrial | -> shower |
| 12:00.02 | cncfanatics | sigh, weird |
| 12:00.06 | cncfanatics | and I can't test that either |
| 12:00.11 | cncfanatics | tell me when ur back |
| 12:00.18 | Fisker- | oh hi |
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| 12:05.29 | cncfanatics | Industrial, I just used my HS fine on my 39 lock |
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| 12:12.07 | cncfanatics | Undine, I can guess why that happens |
| 12:12.08 | Industrial | :s |
| 12:12.32 | cncfanatics | Industrial, could u do this ? |
| 12:12.45 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.52 | cncfanatics | and /dump FlexBar2.Buttons["ButtonName"].InfoTable.Attributes.item |
| 12:13.25 | Corey | i had a couple problems with it too |
| 12:13.37 | cncfanatics | HS here is working just fine, weird |
| 12:13.45 | cncfanatics | and blizz manages that stuff, not me -.- |
| 12:13.49 | Undine | cncfanatics, i'd be interested. i get the impression tooltips are an arcane art |
| 12:13.55 | Industrial | nol, nol |
| 12:14.03 | cncfanatics | nil, nil ? |
| 12:14.04 | Industrial | nil, nil* |
| 12:14.07 | cncfanatics | lol ? |
| 12:14.10 | cncfanatics | ah yea ups |
| 12:14.11 | Undine | a bit more playing shows that blizz bits of the ah tooltips show the same framerate drop |
| 12:14.17 | Industrial | well im dead and have no HS now, sec |
| 12:14.25 | cncfanatics | Undine, tt's are shit |
| 12:14.27 | Undine | however, the new auc-advanced bits of the ah - those tooltips are fine! |
| 12:15.11 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.22 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:16.22 | Corey | cncfanatics if i put water in there and the stack i dragged in was moved or emptied it doesn't let me use other stacks says its not in inv |
| 12:16.39 | cncfanatics | let me try |
| 12:17.19 | cncfanatics | works fine here, sigh, weird |
| 12:17.40 | dreamss2 | does wowace have a GEM replacemnt |
| 12:17.48 | JoshBorke | no |
| 12:17.51 | cncfanatics | Corey, let me do some tests, items are a pain |
| 12:17.55 | Industrial | type-> item, item-> itemlink, Minor Healthstone |
| 12:18.13 | cncfanatics | Industrial itemlink: Minor Healthstone you mean |
| 12:18.14 | dreamss2 | well, anyone uses gem here? |
| 12:18.18 | cncfanatics | Industrial, try this |
| 12:18.29 | Fisker- | i'm flying to the moon |
| 12:18.32 | Industrial | cannot show tooltips for item not in inventory |
| 12:18.33 | Industrial | >_> |
| 12:18.38 | Industrial | there is one in my bag |
| 12:18.46 | cncfanatics | sec |
| 12:18.49 | Industrial | ok |
| 12:19.05 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.55 | Industrial | false |
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| 12:20.26 | cncfanatics | false ? |
| 12:20.36 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.37 | cncfanatics | gives ? |
| 12:20.52 | Industrial | what the |
| 12:20.57 | Industrial | I dragged it off |
| 12:21.04 | Industrial | destroyed the stone, fine. |
| 12:21.08 | Industrial | made a new one put it on |
| 12:21.11 | Industrial | now it works |
| 12:21.11 | Industrial | :S |
| 12:21.13 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 12:21.15 | Corey | yea i noticed if i was holding shift when i put an item in i had to hold shift to use it too |
| 12:21.23 | cncfanatics | Corey, thats a feature not a bug |
| 12:21.45 | Corey | then thats fine ;d |
| 12:21.55 | Industrial | ah, see |
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| 12:22.01 | Industrial | i made a new stone |
| 12:22.04 | Industrial | now it wont work again |
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| 12:22.24 | Corey | tooltip says not in inv? |
| 12:22.30 | Industrial | so its only working with the exact item, not one of the same type |
| 12:22.30 | Industrial | yes |
| 12:22.41 | Corey | see thats what i had too lol |
| 12:23.11 | Industrial | hope that helps a little cncfanatics |
| 12:23.13 | Industrial | -> shop |
| 12:23.31 | cncfanatics | Industrial, did u put talents in improved HS or anything ? |
| 12:23.37 | cncfanatics | while the stone was still in inv |
| 12:23.38 | Industrial | no |
| 12:23.47 | cncfanatics | let me use one , resummon another, sec |
| 12:23.58 | Corey | it does the same to me with mage water when i run out of a stack and still have another stack |
| 12:24.12 | cncfanatics | weird, the itemlink should be the same really |
| 12:24.17 | cncfanatics | let me try on mage, easyer then HS to test |
| 12:24.32 | cncfanatics | glad I got alts of all classes |
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| 12:25.17 | CIA-14 | 03cwdg * r47882 10ChatLog/Locale-zhCN.lua: ChatLog: update zhCN Locale |
| 12:25.32 | cncfanatics | Corey, currently it works via itemlink |
| 12:25.39 | cncfanatics | any reason both stacks might not have the same itemlink ? |
| 12:27.38 | cncfanatics | I just got the bug |
| 12:27.40 | cncfanatics | now lets fix it |
| 12:28.18 | cncfanatics | got ya |
| 12:28.24 | cncfanatics | but I have NO idea how to fix that |
| 12:28.39 | cncfanatics | conjured items dont have the same itemlink it seems |
| 12:28.41 | cncfanatics | silly stuff |
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| 12:29.31 | cncfanatics | the uniqueid is fucking me up |
| 12:29.35 | cncfanatics | how could I fix that hmmm |
| 12:29.37 | Corey | im still tryin to get 2 buttons with a custom name into a bar lol |
| 12:30.30 | Corey | aha got it, needed to use ; |
| 12:31.29 | cncfanatics | I know why it bugs now |
| 12:31.34 | cncfanatics | but I kinda have no idea how to fix that |
| 12:31.48 | cncfanatics | more something for blizz to fix tbh |
| 12:31.52 | cncfanatics | Corey, are you US ? |
| 12:31.54 | Wobin_ | hurrah |
| 12:31.58 | Corey | canadian |
| 12:31.58 | Wobin_ | 350 BS |
| 12:32.04 | Wobin_ | I can now make drakefist |
| 12:32.12 | Corey | unless u meant realm than yea |
| 12:32.16 | cncfanatics | yea great |
| 12:32.17 | Wobin_ | now all I need is 11 more primal fire and 2 more levels =P |
| 12:32.21 | cncfanatics | could you post something on US forums for me ? |
| 12:32.24 | Fisker- | fgsfds |
| 12:32.34 | Corey | sure |
| 12:33.22 | Punkie` | fgsfds u Fisker- |
| 12:33.47 | Corey | which forum and which message :D |
| 12:33.52 | cncfanatics | making the msg, sec |
| 12:33.55 | Corey | kk |
| 12:34.26 | cncfanatics | "there seems to be a bug with secure action buttons when a button has "item" as "type" and "itemlink:[Random conjured item's itemlink]" as "item" attribute. When the stack of conjured item runs out, then the button will not try using other stacks of this item (this is easely noticable with mage water, make 2 stacks, drink out one, the second won't be used). This is because the "uniqueid" in the itemlink is not the same for both |
| 12:34.31 | cncfanatics | think thats clear enough ? |
| 12:34.34 | cncfanatics | my english aint the best |
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| 12:35.19 | Corey | seems good |
| 12:35.30 | cncfanatics | well, do you understand what I just said there ? |
| 12:35.59 | Corey | yea |
| 12:36.27 | cncfanatics | then I guess its good |
| 12:36.27 | Corey | u want that under bug reports? |
| 12:36.49 | cncfanatics | thats more something for the 2.3 changes list |
| 12:37.16 | Fisker- | lol |
| 12:37.16 | Fisker- | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270132264843 |
| 12:37.20 | Fisker- | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260145824374 |
| 12:38.13 | cncfanatics | Corey, there: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=879058320&sid=1&pageNo=3 |
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| 12:39.13 | Punkie` | Fisker-: rofl what a profit |
| 12:39.39 | cncfanatics | Corey, please tell me when u posted it |
| 12:41.40 | cncfanatics | and I'll try to get around it in the meantime, sec |
| 12:42.34 | Corey | should be up |
| 12:43.50 | Fisker- | i like it Punkie` |
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| 12:45.46 | Corey | thats a lot of money for a bottle |
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| 12:52.46 | jthomas_work | this is very simple question: I got error No object named BlahBlahBlah, but I have Frame BlahBlahBlah defined in XML |
| 12:53.05 | jthomas_work | so where should I look to find the error ? |
| 12:53.11 | cncfanatics | Corey, I fixed the tooltips |
| 12:53.15 | cncfanatics | for conjured items |
| 12:53.25 | fuzzy_sys | bin bereit |
| 12:53.30 | cncfanatics | but I can't really set it up so it uses em too, its all protected in combat so it WILL get messed up |
| 12:53.31 | fuzzy_sys | oh, sorry, fc |
| 12:53.49 | cncfanatics | actualy, I'll do a workaround till blizz fixes its stuff |
| 12:54.27 | Corey | cool |
| 12:55.04 | Corey | i love bein able to drag items into it |
| 12:55.36 | Corey | lets me see what im farmin ;d |
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| 12:58.10 | JoshBorke | jthomas_work: FrameXML.log |
| 13:00.50 | cncfanatics | this should fix it |
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| 13:01.27 | jthomas_work | JoshBorke: thank you , error was due to bad XML in xml file |
| 13:02.49 | Corey | great |
| 13:03.02 | cncfanatics | Corey, its ugly code imo, I hope fixes this |
| 13:04.33 | cncfanatics | s/I hope fixes/I hope blizz fixes/ |
| 13:06.23 | Corey | what more can you ask for besides it workin :D |
| 13:07.05 | cncfanatics | Corey, it won't work if a stack runs out in combat |
| 13:07.10 | cncfanatics | thats nearly a no-issue, but still |
| 13:07.37 | Corey | can't drink in combat anyway |
| 13:07.54 | cncfanatics | Healthstones, hint |
| 13:07.57 | Corey | yea |
| 13:08.20 | cncfanatics | only thing I can think of I cant work around is: someone makes a HS in combat and tries to use it in that same fight |
| 13:08.24 | cncfanatics | rare, but can happen |
| 13:14.42 | Corey | is it updated on the site? |
| 13:16.33 | cncfanatics | i'm updating it atm, sec |
| 13:17.35 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47883 10FlexBar2/ (Action/Action.lua ItemCache/ItemCache.lua): |
| 13:17.35 | CIA-14 | FlexBar2: |
| 13:17.35 | CIA-14 | ItemCache.lua: |
| 13:17.35 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.35 | CIA-14 | Action.lua: |
| 13:17.37 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.41 | cncfanatics | Corey, http://fish.wowace.com/browse/~tarball=zip/WowAce/trunk/FlexBar2/FlexBar2.zip |
| 13:18.35 | Fisker- | oh hi? |
| 13:18.38 | Corey | cheers |
| 13:21.33 | cncfanatics | Corey, works eh ? |
| 13:22.17 | CIA-14 | 03gagorian * r47884 10DrDamage/Locales/Localization-zhTW.lua: |
| 13:22.17 | CIA-14 | DrDamage: |
| 13:22.17 | CIA-14 | - zhTW update |
| 13:22.24 | Corey | aye looks good |
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| 13:23.37 | cncfanatics | its ugly code |
| 13:23.40 | cncfanatics | but well, meh it works |
| 13:23.55 | jthomas_work | where can i find gui examples for ace ? |
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| 13:25.35 | cncfanatics | jthomas, aceoptions tables do fine as gui with waterfall |
| 13:25.39 | cncfanatics | search for aceoptions |
| 13:32.46 | cncfanatics | ~madness |
| 13:32.46 | purl | Madness? THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:33.44 | Fisker- | Sparta? |
| 13:33.50 | Fisker- | THIS IS WOWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 13:34.29 | cncfanatics | Fisker-, die in a fire |
| 13:34.42 | cncfanatics | then get a volvo to ride on you |
| 13:34.44 | cncfanatics | then hang yourself |
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| 13:37.20 | Fisker- | i'd wager i can probably survive dying in a fire |
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| 13:45.20 | Kreiger | get enough Fire resist gear |
| 13:45.22 | Kreiger | and yer golden |
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| 13:51.45 | ScaleMaster | is it possible to do a mod that allows you to select multiple auctions and buy them out automatically? so it's not just "click auction -> hit buyout" and rinse and repeat? |
| 13:53.43 | Industrial | ScaleMaster: I advise to ask that in #norganna |
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| 13:58.07 | cncfanatics | Industrial, I fixed ur bug |
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| 13:58.17 | cncfanatics | till blizz does its work correctly, it should be a workaround |
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| 14:09.12 | Ironhand | is there a way to stop Decursive 2.0 automatically creating a macro? |
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| 14:10.35 | Pkekyo|aw | what windows function is the Process Monitor? |
| 14:11.53 | CIA-14 | 03bam * r47885 10MouseLook/MouseLook.lua: |
| 14:11.53 | CIA-14 | MouseLook: |
| 14:11.53 | CIA-14 | - Options to override mouse-button behavior when in mouse-look. |
| 14:11.53 | CIA-14 | - Slash commands for toggling and turning mouse-look on/off. |
| 14:12.20 | Pkekyo|aw | noone knows? |
| 14:12.24 | Pkekyo|aw | -win xp, that is |
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| 14:22.17 | Industrial | cncfanatics: ok |
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| 14:35.40 | [Liquidor] | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hwf25UQGvIU |
| 14:37.46 | CIA-14 | 03Tristan * r47886 10Enhancer/ (19 files in 3 dirs): |
| 14:37.46 | CIA-14 | Enhancer: |
| 14:37.46 | CIA-14 | - Loads of changes |
| 14:37.46 | CIA-14 | - Earth Shield module added for those that are not Enhancement ;p |
| 14:37.46 | CIA-14 | - Shield Module (water/lightning) added |
| 14:37.46 | CIA-14 | - Temporary Enchant Module added (shows what weaps are temp enchanted with) |
| 14:37.48 | CIA-14 | - Waterfall gui added. /enh waterfall |
| 14:40.48 | Fisker- | drugtest sounds nice |
| 14:41.20 | Kreiger | Assessment is giving me lots of bugs. |
| 14:41.38 | Kreiger | \AddOns\Assessment\Modules\BarInterface.lua line 1662: |
| 14:41.38 | Kreiger | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.19 | Kreiger | any ideas? |
| 14:45.14 | JoshBork1 | update, and if you just updated, revert |
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| 14:58.35 | Warloxx | hey guys i have a problem. I get a error:"invalid order function for sorting" can this happen if the function has multiple return statements depending on an if condition |
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| 15:06.11 | Fisker- | anyone know who the authors of BigBrother and DrugTest are? |
| 15:07.20 | haste | I bet the TOC/svn log knows |
| 15:07.36 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47887 10FuBar_RaidBuffFu/FuBar_RaidBuffFu.lua: |
| 15:07.36 | CIA-14 | FuBar_RaidBuffFu: |
| 15:07.36 | CIA-14 | - removed the need to be raidleader or assistant to use the raidannounce feature |
| 15:07.38 | Fisker- | why would it know that_ |
| 15:07.39 | Fisker- | ? |
| 15:07.40 | Fisker- | :D |
| 15:07.51 | Fisker- | nevermind anyways |
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| 15:10.50 | CIA-14 | 03nemes * r47888 10PitBull/PitBull.lua: |
| 15:10.50 | CIA-14 | PitBull |
| 15:10.51 | CIA-14 | - Save frame/cluster positions when leaving world / destroying a frame/cluster, to retain any positions saved by frame modification addons |
| 15:11.49 | Warloxx | here is a pasty to the problem i mentioned for 10 min http://ace.pastey.net/73240 |
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| 15:16.44 | cncfanatics | just saw 300 :o |
| 15:16.46 | cncfanatics | it rocks ! |
| 15:17.27 | Megalon | historical not that correct though |
| 15:18.13 | cncfanatics | who gives a fuck ? |
| 15:18.14 | cncfanatics | it rocked |
| 15:18.19 | sag_ich_nicht | *cough*yeahrightbecausethebattleissowelldocumented*cough* |
| 15:19.19 | FRUCHT | It's a piece of shit |
| 15:19.22 | Megalon | well, the movie claimed it |
| 15:19.36 | FRUCHT | the dialogues are horrible |
| 15:19.37 | cncfanatics | its just a damn battle, nothing historicaly correct or incorrect |
| 15:19.42 | cncfanatics | ~madness |
| 15:19.42 | purl | Madness? THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:19.42 | FRUCHT | anything they say is overwhelmingly stupid |
| 15:19.43 | Saroz | movie owned |
| 15:19.47 | FRUCHT | every single sentence |
| 15:19.48 | FRUCHT | STUPID |
| 15:19.56 | Saroz | movie owned, shush |
| 15:19.59 | Fisker- | WOWACEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:20.00 | Saroz | effects were uber aswell |
| 15:20.56 | FRUCHT | if you want lower class idiots say stupid things and beat each other up you might as well watch american talk shows |
| 15:21.03 | FRUCHT | it was visually pleasing, no doubt |
| 15:21.12 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47889 10FlexBar2/ItemCache/ItemCache.lua: |
| 15:21.12 | CIA-14 | FlexBar2: |
| 15:21.12 | CIA-14 | ItemCache.lua: |
| 15:21.12 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.13 | FRUCHT | but the dialogues just ruined it |
| 15:21.33 | cncfanatics | FRUCHT, what was the point of the movie ? |
| 15:21.42 | Saroz | to be entertained |
| 15:21.50 | FRUCHT | i wasnt entertained, i was annoyed |
| 15:22.16 | cncfanatics | I was entertained |
| 15:22.22 | cncfanatics | ur just weird |
| 15:24.19 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 15:24.21 | cncfanatics | as warrior |
| 15:24.29 | cncfanatics | make this macro when you want to seriously smack down someone |
| 15:24.34 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.45 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.32 | Saroz | eek |
| 15:26.15 | cncfanatics | nerf that sound file eh ? |
| 15:28.33 | Megalon | nice macro |
| 15:32.27 | CIA-14 | 03nemes * r47890 10NShakedown/ (Addons/PitBull.lua NShakedown.lua): NShakedown: add pitbull configuration mode "hidden variable" |
| 15:38.07 | Mudkips | cncfanatics |
| 15:38.23 | Mudkips | that's when I warstomp cyclone and travel form away |
| 15:38.24 | Mudkips | kek |
| 15:42.56 | cncfanatics | meh, i'm alliance now, booo |
| 15:43.00 | cncfanatics | GIEV HIGH POPULATION HORDE |
| 15:44.23 | sag_ich_nicht | impossible. |
| 15:46.36 | cncfanatics | hope it wont be the same with order & chaos in WAR |
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| 15:48.01 | Tornhoof | sure |
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| 15:56.10 | genetik- | hah.. nice |
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| 16:01.06 | Industrial | ~seen Funkydude |
| 16:01.09 | purl | Industrial: i haven't seen 'funkydude' |
| 16:01.14 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r47891 10ChatLog/Locale-zhTW.lua: ChatLog: updated zhTW |
| 16:01.15 | Industrial | ~seen Funkeh |
| 16:01.16 | purl | funkeh <n=funkydud@host81-158-173-52.range81-158.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 153d 22h 1m 46s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
| 16:01.22 | Industrial | asdf |
| 16:01.25 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8173.msg134360#msg134360 |
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| 16:04.27 | Industrial | ~seen Funkeh` |
| 16:04.28 | purl | funkeh` <n=funkydud@host217-44-96-5.range217-44.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 12h 6m 33s ago, saying: 'later'. |
| 16:04.39 | Industrial | irregular nicks ftl |
| 16:04.42 | Industrial | ;x |
| 16:04.49 | Industrial | (always something to bitch at =D) |
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| 16:07.58 | CIA-14 | 03nemes * r47892 10NShakedown/Addons/Quartz.lua: NShakedown: hide the standard UI mirror/casting bars when shaking down Quartz |
| 16:09.50 | pb_ee1 | Is the "relocate" option of tortoisesvn the same as svn mv? |
| 16:10.32 | charon | pb_ee1: there's also a relocate command for command-line svn, so i'd be careful |
| 16:10.53 | pb_ee1 | grumpf |
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| 16:11.01 | pb_ee1 | i'll do it with the command line client then |
| 16:11.09 | pb_ee1 | i don't want to mess up the svn |
| 16:11.12 | dodga | pb_ee1: svn mv moves files in the repository, svn relocate (aka switch) changes the location of the repository |
| 16:11.26 | pb_ee1 | actually i'd like to rename my addon |
| 16:11.33 | dodga | Actually, it's called svn sw --relocate iirc |
| 16:11.33 | charon | what dodga said. i'd try Rename in tortoise |
| 16:11.45 | dodga | pb_ee1: Then you want to move or rename the files :D |
| 16:12.16 | pb_ee1 | very precisely: i want to rename the root folder of my addon (oldname) to its new name (newname) |
| 16:12.45 | dodga | Hm, svn mv http://.../trunk/oldname http://.../trunk/newname should work :D |
| 16:12.48 | pb_ee1 | nvm, i found it |
| 16:13.08 | dodga | How does it work? Just for future reference :D |
| 16:13.11 | pb_ee1 | i had to use the repo browser to get the rename option ;p |
| 16:13.45 | pb_ee1 | right click > repo browser > right click on my folder addon > rename > ... |
| 16:14.05 | pb_ee1 | it doesn't seem to work but i'll wait ;p |
| 16:14.21 | dodga | Maybe you need to commit? =) |
| 16:14.34 | dodga | Ah, you're working on the remote repo, screw that |
| 16:14.56 | pb_ee1 | well i launched the rename process, but it is just waiting for (?) |
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| 16:24.29 | pb_ee1 | hum the client crashes when i try to rename... i'l try something else |
| 16:24.31 | sylvanaar | rename just does a move |
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| 16:25.22 | CIA-14 | 03pb_ee1 * r47893 10Elephant/: Creating folder for Elephant. |
| 16:25.29 | cncfanatics | bleh, i'm preparing to reinstall my comp |
| 16:25.32 | cncfanatics | stupid too small HDs |
| 16:28.13 | CIA-14 | 03pb_ee1 * r47894 10Elephant/: |
| 16:28.13 | CIA-14 | Elephant: |
| 16:28.13 | CIA-14 | - Adding externals. |
| 16:28.13 | CIA-14 | - Adding logtemplate. |
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| 16:29.03 | Gnarfoz | durrr why was I not joined to this channel oO |
| 16:30.12 | Gnarfoz | also, who broke pitbull o_O |
| 16:30.19 | Gnarfoz | my player/target/ToT frames are missing. |
| 16:30.34 | CIA-14 | 03pb_ee1 * r47895 10Elephant/ (18 files): Elephant: Adding current release of ChatLog to Elephant. |
| 16:30.54 | charon | uh, works for me... try disabling and re-enabling them, sometimes it's a bit confused |
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| 16:34.55 | CIA-14 | 03pb_ee1 * r47896 10Elephant/ (21 files): |
| 16:34.55 | CIA-14 | Elephant: |
| 16:34.55 | CIA-14 | - Deleting old ChatLog files. Replacing them with the ones of Elephant. |
| 16:34.55 | CIA-14 | - Adding a nice icon! :) |
| 16:34.55 | CIA-14 | - Changing addon description [NEEDS TRANSLATION] |
| 16:35.45 | CIA-14 | 03pb_ee1 * r47897 10ChatLog/: ChatLog: Deleting ChatLog folder (check Elephant for further releases). |
| 16:36.20 | pb_ee1 | Ok should be fine |
| 16:36.25 | pb_ee1 | Sorry for the spam :| |
| 16:36.47 | Garoun|Loupana | if you idle in this channel you should expect it :) |
| 16:36.54 | Garoun|Loupana | so I wouldn't worry about it too much |
| 16:37.14 | pb_ee1 | hehe |
| 16:37.28 | Silviu- | nice name |
| 16:37.29 | Silviu- | ;)) |
| 16:37.49 | pb_ee1 | The icon is nice too, in game at least |
| 16:38.00 | Silviu- | Did not try it ;) |
| 16:38.14 | pb_ee1 | "A friendly companion that remembers the chat." |
| 16:38.17 | Gnarfoz | hrm, WAU seems to keep deleting my Gladiator Battlegroup data addon? |
| 16:40.39 | Garoun|Loupana | is it stored in the same folder as Gladiator? |
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| 16:41.45 | Fisker- | "Omg why is it called Elephant?" |
| 16:42.44 | ulic | Elephants supposedly have very good memories |
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| 16:43.04 | Fisker- | obvious troll not obviouuuuuuuuuus enough? :/ |
| 16:43.22 | ulic | not everyone is so bright :) |
| 16:45.26 | Fisker- | :P |
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| 16:53.10 | pb_ee1 | Bug confirmed: pitbull does not display the unit frames anymore |
| 16:53.13 | CIA-14 | 03pettigrow * r47898 10Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0/NPCModules/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Threat-1.0: frFR Update |
| 16:53.17 | pb_ee1 | Dunno why |
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| 16:59.33 | cncfanatics | meh, any way to install debian directly on a reiser4 partition ? |
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| 17:09.57 | sylvanaar | Gnarfoz you can just put .svn in it |
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| 17:10.53 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: err I could |
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| 17:11.50 | sylvanaar | why is it getting deleted? |
| 17:11.58 | Gnarfoz | how would I know :D |
| 17:12.29 | sylvanaar | observation |
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| 17:16.59 | CIA-14 | 03pb_ee1 * r47899 10Elephant/ (Core-Initialize.lua Event-Message.lua): Elephant: Adding Battleground log to raid tab. |
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| 17:24.49 | Punkie` | y helo thar Fisker- |
| 17:25.42 | Fisker- | nooo |
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| 17:28.44 | Fisker- | :) |
| 17:29.20 | Funkeh` | loes |
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| 17:34.28 | CIA-14 | 03nirek * r47900 10ElfReloaded/ (ElfReloaded.lua ElfReloaded.toc): ElfReloaded: Added loot announce to sctetc, requires SinkLib |
| 17:36.25 | Fisker- | btw only 1 month and 1½ week until Portal and TF2 :O |
| 17:38.56 | Funkeh` | TF2<3<3<3 |
| 17:40.14 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: I'd guess because the folder is included inside Tattle, but I dunno if Tattle's filelist.wau includes the folders for battlgroup data (because that would mean everyone would get data for every battlegroup - I remember having to move the folder up one level by hand) |
| 17:40.55 | FrostByghte | latest pitbull seems to lose target, pet, and player frames everytime I leave or enter a BG |
| 17:41.08 | pb_ee1 | Ho, does the script that makes the zips automatically remove addons that does not exist anymore? |
| 17:41.08 | FrostByghte | just updated about 30 min ago |
| 17:41.17 | ramoz | possible to show keybindings with bartender3? |
| 17:41.27 | FrostByghte | ramoz yes |
| 17:41.42 | pb_ee1 | Ha nevermind, it's still there but simply not listed on files.wowace.com |
| 17:42.11 | ramoz | FrostByghte: how? i cant find it >.< |
| 17:42.55 | FrostByghte | I'm not sure if I enabled it, I just always remember it working like that |
| 17:43.16 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: although I have both a Tattle.nounpack folder from back when that was necessary, and WAU set to not unpack addons |
| 17:44.08 | FrostByghte | ckknight: seems that everytime I zone pitbull loses the player, pet and target frames...so not just BG's |
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| 17:48.52 | pb_ee1 | Ho, nice --> http://www.rogueshaven.com/Forums/index.php?topic=67.0;prev_next=next#new |
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| 17:59.28 | sylvanaar | Gnarfoz pack and unpack are separate operations ^.^ if it is in filelist.wau it gets moved into the addon folder before each update (you can add a .nopack folder though) |
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| 18:10.57 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: ...eh? :> there's more than one option to not unpack addons? oO |
| 18:12.08 | Pkekyo|aw | sigh...just finished playing through Halo 1 and 2... |
| 18:12.08 | Pkekyo|aw | Halo 3 makes me want to buy an Xbox 360 sooo bad... |
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| 18:15.41 | Saroz | Who fucked up Pitbull? |
| 18:15.55 | Fisker- | i did |
| 18:15.59 | Saroz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.59 | Fisker- | i like to fuck it |
| 18:16.06 | SaladFork | Oooh, is this like "Who took the cookie from the cookie jar?" |
| 18:16.15 | mort | that was me! |
| 18:16.24 | Fisker- | no ME! |
| 18:16.28 | SaladFork | I am Spartacus. |
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| 18:16.42 | mort | i took the last cookie |
| 18:16.58 | Fisker- | I am sparta |
| 18:17.08 | Mudkips | caketown! |
| 18:17.40 | Fisker- | your mother |
| 18:18.56 | SaladFork | wow |
| 18:19.05 | SaladFork | Have you guys seen Blizz's new "Scroll of Resurrection"? |
| 18:19.22 | TNSe | yeah |
| 18:19.27 | TNSe | its time to cancel your account |
| 18:19.28 | sylvanaar | Gnarfoz there is pack (put in folder), and unpack (take out of folder), you can control them separately |
| 18:19.32 | TNSe | and give your friends a month free play time! |
| 18:19.34 | Pkekyo|aw | This is sparta. IT IS MADE OF MADNESS AND BLASPHEMY! |
| 18:19.42 | SaladFork | "You can only invite someone who was once a paid subscriber and last played the game more than 90 days ago." |
| 18:19.50 | TNSe | so basically |
| 18:19.53 | TNSe | don't play 90 days |
| 18:19.55 | Pkekyo|aw | SaladFork: scroll of ressurection? wth? |
| 18:19.56 | Gnarfoz | Saroz: I dunno, b ut someone sure did. :> |
| 18:20.00 | sylvanaar | scroll of resurrection? |
| 18:20.01 | SaladFork | Pkek - https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/resurrect-a-friend.html |
| 18:20.02 | TNSe | and your friend can get 30 days free by paying you to play! |
| 18:20.03 | SaladFork | sylv - https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/resurrect-a-friend.html |
| 18:20.12 | sylvanaar | meh |
| 18:20.53 | Pkekyo|aw | doesn't work... |
| 18:20.53 | Pkekyo|aw | <--- EU :< |
| 18:23.52 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: even then - I don't have 'delete old stuff first' enabled o_O |
| 18:24.25 | CIA-14 | 03nirek * r47901 10ElfReloaded/ElfReloaded.lua: ElfReloaded: Lua uses % to escape chars, duh oops |
| 18:24.27 | sylvanaar | its in the zip |
| 18:24.51 | sylvanaar | im guessing - so it gets overwritten |
| 18:26.09 | sylvanaar | there is a file ziplist.wau which has all the files, everything there can be deleted |
| 18:27.20 | Saroz | I'm reverting the pitbull break |
| 18:29.50 | [dRaCo] | who broke it? |
| 18:29.53 | Saroz | nemes |
| 18:30.30 | Saroz | fucking tortoiseSVN sucks at reverting |
| 18:30.32 | [dRaCo] | evil. no cookies for nemes. |
| 18:32.46 | CIA-14 | 03saroz * r47902 10PitBull/PitBull.lua: |
| 18:32.46 | CIA-14 | PitBull |
| 18:32.46 | CIA-14 | - Revert to 47865 due to breakage.. test stuff, then commit, or clear the BC break with Ckknight. |
| 18:33.17 | Saroz | ! |
| 18:34.48 | SaladFork | BC Break? |
| 18:34.50 | Corey | thats not the first message sayin somebody broke somethin i've seen today |
| 18:35.01 | Saroz | he reverted his change earlier |
| 18:35.04 | Saroz | then comitted |
| 18:35.06 | Saroz | again |
| 18:35.19 | Saroz | SaladFork: frames not showing up |
| 18:35.25 | [dRaCo] | what was he trying to do anyway? |
| 18:35.26 | SaladFork | Ah |
| 18:35.32 | Saroz | [dRaCo], no idea |
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| 18:48.34 | Fisker- | something about keeping some positions intact |
| 18:49.04 | Amadeo | I will be WoWless until the 14th :( |
| 18:49.18 | SaladFork | Oh noes! |
| 18:49.29 | Amadeo | I wanted to get my Rogue to 60 |
| 18:49.37 | SaladFork | Better hurry, =P |
| 18:49.40 | Amadeo | haha |
| 18:49.44 | Amadeo | That's the other problem |
| 18:49.52 | Amadeo | I have no desire to play, but I still have wants |
| 18:50.14 | SaladFork | Mmm, I can relate to that. |
| 18:50.27 | Amadeo | But, if I'm unable to play WoW at all, I'll probably want to |
| 18:50.30 | Amadeo | ! |
| 18:50.38 | SaladFork | *gasp* |
| 18:50.41 | Mudkips | I hate best buy again |
| 18:50.58 | Amadeo | I've hated it since I worked there at 16 |
| 18:51.14 | Amadeo | I know how shady they are! |
| 18:51.21 | Mudkips | it's not even about that today |
| 18:51.32 | Mudkips | the mx518 is on sale at the website for 39.99 |
| 18:51.40 | SaladFork | Haha, wtf |
| 18:51.47 | SaladFork | I bought it for that much MONTHS ago |
| 18:51.51 | Mudkips | I called earlier this week to check their inventory for instore pick up since the website says it's in stock |
| 18:51.54 | Mudkips | the guy said it's not |
| 18:52.01 | Mudkips | I called today and they have it =_= |
| 18:52.13 | Mudkips | SaladFork, where? |
| 18:52.17 | Mudkips | newegg? |
| 18:52.18 | SaladFork | NewEgg |
| 18:52.22 | Mudkips | ya i know:P |
| 18:52.29 | SaladFork | Just checked, still $39.99, but with free 3 day shipping now |
| 18:52.33 | Mudkips | I didn't bother with a new mouse until recently |
| 18:52.39 | SaladFork | I'm still using mine |
| 18:52.41 | Mudkips | ya I saw that |
| 18:52.43 | SaladFork | Still excellent mouse |
| 18:52.46 | Amadeo | I want a new mouse, either the new Logitech or Razer |
| 18:52.46 | SaladFork | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104178 |
| 18:52.46 | SaladFork | <3 |
| 18:52.53 | Mudkips | yup |
| 18:53.07 | SaladFork | Why even bother with Best Buy when NewEgg has it? |
| 18:53.14 | Mudkips | well since I saw it on sale, I wanted to just buy it at the store |
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| 18:53.24 | SaladFork | Heh, you live near one? |
| 18:53.26 | Mudkips | even though shipping from newegg in california is super fast |
| 18:53.29 | Punkie` | i might get that G9 when it comes out :P |
| 18:53.35 | Punkie` | looks a bit ugly but eh |
| 18:53.37 | Mudkips | yeah it's on the way so I might as well get it there |
| 18:53.56 | Amadeo | Punkie`: Yeah, that's the thing, it looks like a toy mouse |
| 18:53.56 | Mudkips | G9 looks uhhh unique? |
| 18:54.02 | SaladFork | Yeah, I get stuff from NewEgg in a day, but BestBuy is like an hour drive |
| 18:54.14 | Punkie` | tbh, it doesnt matter what it really looks like |
| 18:54.15 | SaladFork | They have a warehouse one town from me, =D |
| 18:54.24 | Punkie` | logitech have always been slammed for making things that look silly |
| 18:54.25 | SaladFork | Meh, I'm sticking with Logitech now |
| 18:54.31 | SaladFork | I got a really expensive Saitek keyboard a while ago |
| 18:54.35 | Punkie` | like when the first MX with the thumb part came out :P |
| 18:54.37 | SaladFork | And it just totally CRAPPED OUT amonth after |
| 18:54.44 | SaladFork | It was sending every single possible key combination at the same time |
| 18:54.48 | SaladFork | I thought I had a virus |
| 18:54.53 | SaladFork | Got myself a G15, and now I'm happy again, =) |
| 18:54.59 | SaladFork | That LCD screen is _SO_ underrated |
| 18:55.07 | Mudkips | I got a new keyboard to replace my ms natural |
| 18:55.10 | Amadeo | To be honest, I hate the way Logitech do their mouse buttons |
| 18:55.14 | Mudkips | I went back to the natural :( |
| 18:55.14 | Amadeo | where the whole body is the button |
| 18:55.22 | Punkie` | huh |
| 18:55.27 | SaladFork | Amadeo - it just looks that way, lol |
| 18:55.27 | Mudkips | I'm too used to the split feel now :( |
| 18:55.36 | SaladFork | Mudkips - Ugh, I can't stand a split keyboard |
| 18:55.42 | SaladFork | My typing goes from 90wpm to like... 3wpm |
| 18:55.50 | Amadeo | SaladFork: The top of the body is attached to the buttons, I don't like that |
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| 18:55.54 | Mudkips | Amadeo, I have this ms intellimouse 5-button for years |
| 18:55.59 | SaladFork | Amadeo - I got used to it, I guess |
| 18:56.04 | Mudkips | you know the white one with grey buttons on each side |
| 18:56.08 | Amadeo | SaladFork: You can press the middle of the mouse and the buttons will click |
| 18:56.33 | Amadeo | These type of buttons always end up having problems too |
| 18:56.39 | Mudkips | for which mouse? |
| 18:56.48 | Amadeo | any of the Logitechs these days |
| 18:56.54 | Amadeo | the mice are still good, but I don't like how the buttons are |
| 18:57.15 | SaladFork | Anadeo - Uh.... no |
| 18:57.20 | SaladFork | I'm pressing the middle irght now |
| 18:57.25 | SaladFork | Nothing's happening |
| 18:57.32 | SaladFork | And when I move up, I have the two extra buttons and the scroll weel |
| 18:57.37 | Amadeo | SaladFork: What mouse? |
| 18:57.41 | Mudkips | what do you think of saitek? |
| 18:57.46 | SaladFork | The top doesnt actually turn into "buttons" until after the split for the mouse buttons |
| 18:57.56 | SaladFork | I have a mx518 mouse and a G15 keyboard |
| 18:57.57 | Mudkips | the eclipse keyboard |
| 18:58.14 | Amadeo | SaladFork: Press hard just below the button for application switching |
| 18:58.20 | Amadeo | on a side of one of the buttons |
| 18:58.29 | SaladFork | Amadeo - I'm going to break my finger befure it clicks |
| 18:58.38 | Amadeo | you must be pressing the wrong place |
| 18:58.40 | SaladFork | Mdukips - As I said, it FREAKED OUT |
| 18:58.46 | SaladFork | It was sending every single possible key combination at the same time |
| 18:58.48 | SaladFork | I thought I had a virus |
| 18:58.53 | Mudkips | oh haha |
| 18:59.00 | Mudkips | you sure it wasn't a bad keyboard? |
| 18:59.04 | SaladFork | It's very possible it was |
| 18:59.07 | SaladFork | But after only a month? |
| 18:59.12 | SaladFork | And they wouldn't honor the warranty |
| 18:59.17 | SaladFork | But I'm MUCH happier with my G15 |
| 18:59.20 | SaladFork | significantly |
| 18:59.31 | SaladFork | Plus, the Saitek used 2-3 rear lights |
| 18:59.38 | Mudkips | I think something might be off for me as well |
| 18:59.39 | SaladFork | Which worked, but the edges of the keyboard weren't lit up as well |
| 18:59.47 | Punkie` | I seriously can't imagine the LCD screen being truely useful ingame |
| 18:59.48 | SaladFork | Esp the pause/scroll lock keys, etc. |
| 18:59.50 | Mudkips | my text lags when I enable the caps lock key |
| 18:59.54 | Punkie` | maybe for like mp3 info or msn info |
| 18:59.58 | Mudkips | mostly noticable in WoW |
| 18:59.59 | SaladFork | On the G15 (and other similar keyboards), each key has its own personal light |
| 19:00.00 | Punkie` | but not in-game info |
| 19:00.10 | Mudkips | it won't show the text I input for about a second |
| 19:00.13 | SaladFork | Punkie` - I use my LCD for so much I wish I had two |
| 19:00.19 | Punkie` | what for? |
| 19:00.43 | Amadeo | I hate all current keyboards and their junky type feel |
| 19:00.44 | SaladFork | Overall, I use G15 iTunes most |
| 19:00.46 | SaladFork | That's an app someone made |
| 19:00.50 | Punkie` | yeah |
| 19:00.50 | SaladFork | It has an ipod-like menu |
| 19:00.55 | SaladFork | with a 100% functional search and such |
| 19:00.58 | SaladFork | Which is _awesome) |
| 19:01.04 | SaladFork | Works with an attached iPod, etc. |
| 19:01.04 | Punkie` | like i said, not for ingame info :D |
| 19:01.04 | SaladFork | I love it |
| 19:01.08 | SaladFork | I also have G15 TeamSpeak |
| 19:01.13 | SaladFork | which I use when I want to know who's talking on TS |
| 19:01.27 | SaladFork | When my guild does timed endgame, I use G15 Countdown Clock to track it |
| 19:01.27 | Mudkips | too bad teamspeak is terrible |
| 19:01.31 | SaladFork | as in kara respawns and such |
| 19:01.41 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47903 10FuBar_RaidBuffFu/FuBar_RaidBuffFu.lua: |
| 19:01.41 | CIA-14 | FuBar_RaidBuffFu: |
| 19:01.41 | CIA-14 | - when replacing names with group number, don't append group number twice |
| 19:01.45 | Mudkips | ventrilo sounds much better |
| 19:01.49 | SaladFork | I have TrillianG15, which allows me to chat with Trillian contacts and respond to incoming IMs |
| 19:01.51 | SaladFork | without ever alt-tabbing |
| 19:02.01 | Mudkips | what? |
| 19:02.06 | Amadeo | Does the G15 have any plugins for good applications? ;) |
| 19:02.06 | Mudkips | how does that work O_o |
| 19:02.10 | SaladFork | When I get an IM, my LCD pops up a little window |
| 19:02.13 | SaladFork | And I can click [Reply] |
| 19:02.28 | SaladFork | And until I hit [Enter] on my keyboard, all keys I press are stored into a buffer (and are shown on the screen) |
| 19:02.32 | SaladFork | They are NOT sent to your active application |
| 19:02.46 | SaladFork | once I click enter or send, the trillian application sends the message to my IM window |
| 19:02.48 | SaladFork | without alt tabbing me |
| 19:02.51 | SaladFork | Works for Trillian and Miranda |
| 19:03.04 | SaladFork | I also have a Task Manager built into the LCD |
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| 19:03.09 | SaladFork | With fully functional KILL TASK buttons |
| 19:03.24 | SaladFork | Good for when an app crashes and ctrl-alt-delete is stuck behind a black screen |
| 19:03.28 | Mudkips | oo now that I WANT |
| 19:03.37 | SaladFork | Personally, I have to admit I don't think I could ever go back to a non-LCD keyboard |
| 19:03.41 | SaladFork | Oh, and WoW has built in support for it |
| 19:03.53 | SaladFork | Shows you incoming whispers in one screen, will show you BG information in other, characters stats in a third.... |
| 19:04.01 | SaladFork | And you can toggle between melee / caster / etc. |
| 19:04.16 | SaladFork | And all that's just with the LCD |
| 19:04.28 | SaladFork | Don't get me started on the "Gamer/Business" toggle switch or the G15 macro keys |
| 19:04.58 | Mudkips | LCD screen looks so small though |
| 19:05.05 | Mudkips | I have to see it for myself |
| 19:05.22 | Mudkips | kinda looks like a calculator screen from newegg screenshots |
| 19:05.33 | SaladFork | Mudkips - Let me see if I can get you some screenshots |
| 19:05.34 | SaladFork | One sec, =) |
| 19:05.38 | Mudkips | like those advanced ones for calculus |
| 19:06.12 | SaladFork | http://thunderstruck.awardspace.com/do.cgi?nav=itunes |
| 19:06.16 | SaladFork | That's the iTunes app I use |
| 19:06.20 | SaladFork | His screenshots are slightly outdated |
| 19:06.26 | SaladFork | And they really don't do the keyboard justice |
| 19:06.32 | SaladFork | But should give you a roguh idea |
| 19:07.08 | SaladFork | There's also a setting that will flash my LEDs in tune to the music |
| 19:07.11 | SaladFork | Good for showing off to friends, ;) |
| 19:07.29 | Mudkips | oh that's neat |
| 19:07.37 | Mudkips | there must be a plugin for winamp |
| 19:07.40 | SaladFork | Yep |
| 19:07.44 | SaladFork | It's even better than the iTunes one |
| 19:07.48 | CIA-14 | 03damjau * r47904 10CCBreaker/Locale-koKR.lua: CCBreaker - copy file to add koKR locals |
| 19:07.50 | SaladFork | I used it before I switched to iTunes |
| 19:08.04 | SaladFork | There are apps for almost everything you can imagine |
| 19:08.13 | SaladFork | There's even a GMail Notifier (that works with any PoP3 Email aswell) |
| 19:08.19 | SaladFork | Actually |
| 19:08.19 | SaladFork | Yep |
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| 19:08.28 | SaladFork | Someone released a mini-web-browser for it |
| 19:09.14 | SaladFork | BTW, the G15 one I use: |
| 19:09.14 | Fisker- | what a shame |
| 19:09.15 | SaladFork | http://www.schmads.com/software.htm |
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| 19:09.59 | Mudkips | haha a web browser |
| 19:10.11 | Mudkips | that's just uh.... weird |
| 19:10.12 | CIA-14 | 03damjau * r47905 10CCBreaker/ (5 files): |
| 19:10.12 | CIA-14 | CCBreaker: |
| 19:10.13 | CIA-14 | - add skill (seduction) |
| 19:10.13 | CIA-14 | - add koKR locals |
| 19:10.37 | SaladFork | G15 Notepad |
| 19:10.42 | SaladFork | works as a notepad window for keeping notes |
| 19:10.48 | SaladFork | G15 Clipboard, shows you what you have on your clipboard |
| 19:10.55 | SaladFork | Little things that seem silly until you use them |
| 19:10.58 | SaladFork | Then you can't live without them |
| 19:11.20 | SaladFork | G15 Counterstrike, G15 BF2 |
| 19:11.24 | SaladFork | DoD:S... |
| 19:11.31 | SaladFork | wtf, G15 AlarmClock?! |
| 19:11.42 | Mudkips | you play BF2? |
| 19:11.53 | SaladFork | Hahaha, kinda |
| 19:12.03 | [dRaCo] | G15 GirlfriendAlert |
| 19:12.13 | Mudkips | I"ve been looking for a squad on US west to play with when I'm not on WoW |
| 19:12.14 | SaladFork | Dude |
| 19:12.16 | SaladFork | I had my girlfriend over |
| 19:12.19 | SaladFork | and we were in my room fooling around |
| 19:12.22 | [dRaCo] | G15 NuclearBombTimer |
| 19:12.22 | SaladFork | an she glances to my computer |
| 19:12.23 | Mudkips | because playing with randoms is terrible |
| 19:12.30 | SaladFork | I was so stupid I left my fucking G15 LCD up |
| 19:12.38 | SaladFork | And in huge letters across it, it said "WORLD OF WARCRAFT" |
| 19:12.40 | SaladFork | >.< |
| 19:12.50 | [dRaCo] | so? |
| 19:13.00 | Mudkips | ya so? |
| 19:13.04 | Mudkips | are you a closet player |
| 19:13.08 | SaladFork | ooh, WeatherG15 |
| 19:13.09 | Mudkips | you are, aren't you |
| 19:13.19 | SaladFork | Mudkips - No, but she may have not known about it |
| 19:13.30 | Mudkips | oh first strike right there |
| 19:13.36 | Mudkips | hiding things from the girl |
| 19:13.43 | SaladFork | Hehe, nah |
| 19:13.48 | SaladFork | it sparked a huge conversation where we admitted shiut |
| 19:13.54 | SaladFork | Luckily, I was just like "WoW is pretty much it" |
| 19:13.58 | SaladFork | But I got some pretty decent stuff from her |
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| 19:14.01 | [dRaCo] | he |
| 19:14.28 | SaladFork | woah |
| 19:14.30 | SaladFork | G15 mIRC |
| 19:15.02 | SaladFork | bandwidth monitor |
| 19:15.08 | SaladFork | Who was it earlier that said the LCD was useless? |
| 19:15.10 | SaladFork | Psh, as if. |
| 19:15.39 | Mudkips | I wouldn't use that shit for irc |
| 19:15.42 | Mudkips | i'll use the real thing |
| 19:15.47 | SaladFork | It doesn't replace mIRC |
| 19:15.52 | SaladFork | It's similar to the Trillian one |
| 19:15.55 | SaladFork | It shows incoming mIRCm essages on the LCD |
| 19:15.56 | Mudkips | I dunno |
| 19:16.05 | SaladFork | And let's you respond to them (or /messages) without alt tabbing |
| 19:16.08 | Mudkips | I always in tons of channels so I'll need to tab out |
| 19:16.17 | SaladFork | Lol |
| 19:16.22 | SaladFork | I have my second monitor for mIRC |
| 19:16.23 | SaladFork | =) |
| 19:16.26 | Mudkips | ya diaf |
| 19:16.40 | Mudkips | that's what I tried to to but a second lcd is needed |
| 19:16.46 | Mudkips | do* |
| 19:16.52 | SaladFork | I have two identical 21" LCDs |
| 19:16.58 | SaladFork | ridiculously good response times |
| 19:16.59 | [dRaCo] | gief :þ |
| 19:17.10 | Mudkips | 20" WS lcd + 19 crt does not work |
| 19:17.25 | Mudkips | do you have a viewsonic? |
| 19:17.40 | Mudkips | stupid drivers are stupid |
| 19:17.54 | Mudkips | only shows as plug n play |
| 19:18.27 | SaladFork | Ah, here it is |
| 19:18.40 | SaladFork | 21" LCD |
| 19:18.42 | SaladFork | 2ms response time |
| 19:18.49 | SaladFork | recommended resolution 1280x1024 |
| 19:19.30 | SaladFork | Got two of them for $100 apiece |
| 19:19.48 | SaladFork | let's see if I can pull more stats |
| 19:19.55 | SaladFork | contrast ratio of 700:1 |
| 19:19.57 | SaladFork | 2ms response time |
| 19:20.03 | SaladFork | Realllly good shit |
| 19:20.05 | SaladFork | Got it wicked cheap |
| 19:21.32 | SaladFork | They no longer sell it, but here's the 19" version of it. If you change the screen size to 21", it's exactly what I have: |
| 19:21.32 | SaladFork | http://www.benq.com/products/LCD/?product=593&page=specifications |
| 19:21.36 | SaladFork | Two of them, for that matter |
| 19:22.03 | Mudkips | macro delays on g15 must be crazy for WoW |
| 19:22.05 | Mudkips | does it work? |
| 19:22.08 | SaladFork | 100% |
| 19:22.11 | SaladFork | No delays at all |
| 19:22.19 | Mudkips | no I mean |
| 19:22.27 | SaladFork | I made a Macro so when I hold down [G16], it does /mountspecial ever 0.5 seconds |
| 19:22.34 | SaladFork | When I hold it down and walk around, it makes me look like im gliding |
| 19:22.36 | SaladFork | I lose maybe 1fps |
| 19:22.54 | Mudkips | I read you can have a delay on macros so you could possible tank with 1 button |
| 19:22.55 | Mudkips | haha |
| 19:23.03 | SaladFork | Mudkips - Yeah, but they monitor for stuff like that |
| 19:23.03 | Mudkips | possibly* |
| 19:23.10 | SaladFork | I have a macro on my [G1] key I wouldn't discuss openly |
| 19:23.19 | Mudkips | for? |
| 19:23.39 | SaladFork | Doing a certain something in WoW that takes two keys, and I made [G1] hit both simultaneously |
| 19:23.41 | SaladFork | *cough* |
| 19:23.49 | Mudkips | like? |
| 19:24.00 | SaladFork | As I said, I'd rather not discuss it openly |
| 19:24.08 | Mudkips | slash notice? |
| 19:24.12 | SaladFork | Sure |
| 19:24.12 | Mudkips | nobody cares haha |
| 19:24.27 | Mudkips | oh |
| 19:24.51 | SaladFork | Anyway |
| 19:24.52 | SaladFork | Yeah |
| 19:24.57 | SaladFork | I have a key for that |
| 19:25.05 | SaladFork | Helps me focus a bit more on what I'm doing rather than the keyboard |
| 19:26.24 | Pkekyo | bunnyjump macro? :P |
| 19:26.42 | SaladFork | Nah |
| 19:26.56 | Pkekyo | or maybe PoM/pyro? ^^ |
| 19:27.07 | SaladFork | Ewww |
| 19:27.09 | SaladFork | scum of the mage class |
| 19:27.12 | Pkekyo | nah, that'd be affected by GCD? |
| 19:27.14 | SaladFork | As a mage, I would be happy if they nerfed that |
| 19:27.22 | SaladFork | Pkek - Technically I can add delays to G15 macros |
| 19:27.26 | SaladFork | But I don't use it that much in WoW |
| 19:27.31 | SaladFork | ESPECIALLY not for PoM Pyro-ing |
| 19:27.44 | Pkekyo | true, but you said it used TWO keys simultaneously |
| 19:27.46 | Mudkips | I don't see it the macro keys being very usefull in FPS |
| 19:27.59 | SaladFork | Mudkips - Jump + Crouch in CS is pretty useful |
| 19:28.00 | Mudkips | it's not natural to let wasd get away from your fingers |
| 19:28.19 | SaladFork | Mudkips - pinky to G18 works perfectly |
| 19:28.44 | Pkekyo | Mudkips: fps macro example: select grenade from inventory, throw grenade, equip previous weapon... |
| 19:28.54 | Mudkips | I know |
| 19:28.57 | SaladFork | Anyway |
| 19:28.59 | SaladFork | Now that I have a G15 |
| 19:29.00 | Mudkips | but you'd have to move your hand |
| 19:29.02 | SaladFork | I think I'm stuck with it forever |
| 19:29.04 | SaladFork | I can't go back |
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| 19:30.00 | Punkie` | get a job! |
| 19:30.19 | SaladFork | Lol |
| 19:30.25 | Pkekyo | Punkie`: noone will employ me |
| 19:30.28 | SaladFork | I have like $2000 in the bank right now |
| 19:30.35 | SaladFork | Though it will go down to being in debt in two weeks |
| 19:30.37 | SaladFork | /cheer for college |
| 19:30.40 | kergoth | anyone have any recommendations fro shaman addons? blowing the dust off of my old l66 shammy, and barely remember how to play him |
| 19:30.46 | SaladFork | Kergoth - GotWood? |
| 19:31.02 | kergoth | that one the totem timers? |
| 19:31.03 | SaladFork | My two shammy friends have a totem mod that shows them each type of totem, and let's them see which of each they have out |
| 19:31.05 | [dRaCo] | yata! |
| 19:31.06 | SaladFork | They have a totem timer |
| 19:31.18 | SaladFork | They have one that adds up all the damage from the hits of a windfury and adds it together |
| 19:31.22 | kergoth | i'm using numen+gotwood atm, they seem nice |
| 19:31.28 | Pkekyo | yata and gotwood is probably all you need tbh |
| 19:31.29 | kergoth | i'd like one to show the windfury cooldown though |
| 19:31.31 | SaladFork | My resto shammy friend uses Clique for healing |
| 19:32.08 | kergoth | shammy seems like a somewhat complex class to play.. i used to enjoy that about it, now i'm going through my spellbook going TOO MANY, NOT ENOUGH ACTIONBUTTONS, AIEE |
| 19:32.10 | kergoth | :P |
| 19:32.14 | Pkekyo | breakfeasttime! laters all |
| 19:33.08 | SaladFork | For those who are still itnerested in the G15, here's Ray's WinAmp Mod with light flashing enabled: |
| 19:33.09 | SaladFork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwNwbJwChBY |
| 19:33.11 | Mudkips | Gkeys would be awesome for totem keybinds |
| 19:33.20 | SaladFork | Search youtube for "G15 Ray's Mod" and you'll get assloads of results |
| 19:33.23 | Mudkips | light flashing? |
| 19:33.45 | Mudkips | OH GOD |
| 19:33.48 | SaladFork | Mudkips - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0uL6PbIE0g |
| 19:33.50 | SaladFork | Another vidoe |
| 19:33.54 | SaladFork | Just search it, like I said, there are TONS |
| 19:33.59 | Mudkips | that's hella annoying |
| 19:34.07 | SaladFork | I use it for showing off the keyboard to guests |
| 19:34.12 | Mudkips | my friend had a sound sensitivy ccfl in his box |
| 19:34.18 | SaladFork | Heh |
| 19:34.21 | SaladFork | It's awesome when showing off man |
| 19:34.27 | SaladFork | You have no idea how wasily people are impressed by that |
| 19:34.28 | Mudkips | its like kill yourself after 5 minutes of it |
| 19:34.56 | SaladFork | Especially when I have the Magnosphere visualization in full screen on both monitors |
| 19:35.04 | SaladFork | agnetosphere* |
| 19:35.07 | SaladFork | magnetosphere** |
| 19:35.12 | SaladFork | For those interested - http://software.barbariangroup.com/magnetosphere/ |
| 19:35.19 | SaladFork | That will blow people's MINDS |
| 19:36.26 | Mudkips | "God help you if you smoke the reefer cause you can kiss your productivity goodbye." |
| 19:36.28 | SaladFork | Now if only it would get me laid |
| 19:36.59 | [dRaCo] | maybe you are showing it to the wrong ppl |
| 19:37.06 | SaladFork | Hmmm, good point |
| 19:37.23 | SaladFork | It might also have to do with the fact that a keyboard flashing in tune to porn is seen as perverted for some strange reason |
| 19:37.30 | SaladFork | hehe, j/k |
| 19:37.40 | [dRaCo] | might be fun, though :þ |
| 19:37.44 | SaladFork | XD |
| 19:37.57 | SaladFork | mm |
| 19:38.00 | SaladFork | I love my setup |
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| 19:38.05 | SaladFork | <3 G15 |
| 19:38.12 | SaladFork | And these headphones freaking VIBRATE on my head in tune to the bass |
| 19:38.13 | SaladFork | Love it. |
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| 19:42.44 | Xinhuan | vibrating headphones? :o |
| 19:42.51 | SaladFork | Hehe, yeah |
| 19:42.56 | SaladFork | Built in surround sound |
| 19:42.58 | haste | makes your bloodveins go all squishy |
| 19:42.59 | SaladFork | Plus a vibrating feature |
| 19:43.02 | SaladFork | You FEEL the music |
| 19:43.08 | SaladFork | You won't understand, it's SO nuts |
| 19:43.09 | SaladFork | Especially in games |
| 19:43.18 | SaladFork | An explosion near you and you both hear and feel it |
| 19:43.25 | haste | I would understand, as I've had one of those |
| 19:43.29 | SaladFork | Mioshock just totally immersed me, especially with these headphones |
| 19:43.31 | SaladFork | lol haste |
| 19:43.43 | SaladFork | its nice though, the surround sound |
| 19:43.44 | SaladFork | =D |
| 19:43.47 | Mudkips | I still like 5.1 better if you want game immersion |
| 19:43.51 | SaladFork | I'm using 5.1 |
| 19:43.51 | Mudkips | look at doom 3 |
| 19:43.52 | haste | the vibrating isn't tbh :p |
| 19:43.52 | SaladFork | ;) |
| 19:44.02 | Mudkips | one of the best sound in fps |
| 19:44.05 | SaladFork | Mudkips - http://www.medusa-usa.com/medusa-51-progamer-edition-v2-p-896.html |
| 19:44.10 | Mudkips | you could hear those fireballs zipping past you |
| 19:44.18 | Mudkips | or that tinker behind you |
| 19:44.23 | SaladFork | You open up the free carrying case, and the headphones are giftwrapped in a red ribben |
| 19:44.26 | SaladFork | It's that insane |
| 19:44.29 | Mudkips | plus the ambience |
| 19:44.37 | SaladFork | Mudkip - these are 5.1, ;) |
| 19:45.07 | Mudkips | they must be huge |
| 19:45.17 | Mudkips | to emulate 5.1 around your head |
| 19:45.19 | SaladFork | Meh, not really |
| 19:45.34 | SaladFork | I'd say 1-2" thick on each ear |
| 19:45.37 | SaladFork | It's a bit more than usual |
| 19:45.40 | SaladFork | But you get used to it |
| 19:45.53 | SaladFork | Surprisingly doesn't make you look funny, but rather like a hardcore DJ |
| 19:45.53 | SaladFork | =P |
| 19:46.48 | kergoth | hmm, enhancer/shammyspy look like they may have some decent stuff.. though they seem like overkill.. consdiering enhancer even has aep type point data in tooltips and shit.. |
| 19:48.02 | Tornhoof | aep does not work properly for enhancers |
| 19:48.17 | Salad`Brb | .brb |
| 19:48.18 | Salad`Brb | Food time! |
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| 20:08.07 | neenee | Hm. How usable is KC_Items nowadays as an Auctioneer replacement? |
| 20:09.00 | neenee | auctioneer seems very buggy to me, it keeps clashing with some Ace mods. |
| 20:09.00 | Chompers | is there an addon that automatically starts/stops the /combatlog ? |
| 20:09.49 | ulic | LoggerHead |
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| 20:10.21 | vithos | i've never had any auctioneer conflicts, and the new beta is really nice |
| 20:12.58 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47906 10FuBar_RaidBuffFu/FuBar_RaidBuffFu.lua: |
| 20:12.58 | CIA-14 | FuBar_RaidBuffFu: |
| 20:12.58 | CIA-14 | - tooltip refresh tweak |
| 20:13.40 | Fisker- | there doesn't really seem to be something to even compare to auctioneer imo |
| 20:14.50 | Xinhuan | i don't use Auctioneer because of EnhTooltip - that generated about 30 mb of garbage when i prospected 6 stacks of ore and looted some 30 items |
| 20:15.07 | Funkeh` | nice |
| 20:15.57 | Funkeh` | I remember the days of doing AQ with 100mb and 1.MiB/s usage |
| 20:16.14 | kergoth | auctioneer advanced is awesome. can see item prices without loading the whole scan data, sexy browse frame, sexy posting frame.. multiple modules for the values.. simple, stddev, purchased.. |
| 20:16.28 | Funkeh` | Used every single big addon with a database you could think of. |
| 20:16.31 | Xinhuan | and yet it does NOT fix the enhtooltip memory issue |
| 20:17.09 | Gnarfoz | no issue here |
| 20:17.13 | Gnarfoz | broken version, maybe? |
| 20:17.18 | Xinhuan | auctioneer is ok, enhtooltip isn't |
| 20:17.29 | Gnarfoz | I'm capable of reading, hence my question |
| 20:17.54 | Xinhuan | its the latest version 4.0.4 |
| 20:17.57 | kergoth | enhtooltip doesnt generate much garbage here |
| 20:18.04 | Fisker- | as far as i know the enhtooltip bug is a blizzard bug |
| 20:18.07 | Xinhuan | kergoth: try looting about 50 items in a row |
| 20:18.13 | Fisker- | but they fixed it in auctioneer advanced |
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| 20:18.20 | Xinhuan | say from DEing items, or prospecting, or mining |
| 20:18.34 | Xinhuan | or simply taking a stack of water |
| 20:18.37 | Xinhuan | and splitting it about 20 times |
| 20:18.41 | Xinhuan | into 20 different stacks |
| 20:18.45 | Xinhuan | and see the garbage |
| 20:18.56 | Gnarfoz | I'm only running EnhTooltip, Auctioneer and stubby |
| 20:18.59 | kergoth | i do quite a bit of prospecting, never noticed an issue, certainly not 30 megs, i've never seen it get more than around 2-3 |
| 20:19.05 | Gnarfoz | are you running more? like informant? |
| 20:19.35 | Xinhuan | informant shouldn't cause enhtooltip to grow 30 mb since they are loaded as 2 seperate addon entities |
| 20:20.09 | kergoth | and ace2 shouldnt get blamed for tons of ace2 addon memory, but it does |
| 20:20.11 | kergoth | :P |
| 20:20.14 | Gnarfoz | most of all I'm asking because informant actually has something to do with information that takes up space - enhtooltip doesn't |
| 20:20.33 | Xinhuan | i don't know, i didn't bother to spend time to trace the cause of the garbage |
| 20:20.44 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 20:20.59 | Xinhuan | because i've a feeling if i do, it will end up taking more than 2 days |
| 20:21.05 | Gnarfoz | probably |
| 20:21.21 | Xinhuan | it only took me 2 days to trace the zone-into-BG lockup bug |
| 20:21.32 | Xinhuan | and report it to every raidframe addon author |
| 20:21.55 | packetlss | Khaaan! |
| 20:22.15 | Gnarfoz | KHAAAAAAAAAAAN |
| 20:22.15 | packetlss | http://khaaan.com/ even |
| 20:22.16 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 20:22.25 | Industrial | so i was messing with pitbull |
| 20:22.27 | Industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/e53ab738112f77d15ae8735321a15cd5.jpg |
| 20:22.55 | [dRaCo] | ugly :> |
| 20:23.02 | Xinhuan | Antiarc made omen because ktm was inefficient, maybe he can make an auctioneer equivalent ;p |
| 20:23.03 | Industrial | :> |
| 20:23.15 | Antiarc | Heh, I have zero desire to replace auctioneer |
| 20:23.24 | Antiarc | Auctioneer is a RAM hog, but it isn't an in-combat RAM hog. |
| 20:23.32 | Industrial | [dRaCo]: show me your superior one then :3 |
| 20:23.35 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: the whole topic only got started because of auctioneer 5/advanced - that one should be more efficient already ;) |
| 20:23.36 | kergoth | auctioneer isnt even a ram hog from svn |
| 20:23.45 | Xinhuan | i'll believe that actually |
| 20:23.46 | kergoth | to see item values from the ah its like 600K |
| 20:23.55 | kergoth | its a lot bigger when you go to the ah, since it loads the full scan data |
| 20:23.59 | kergoth | but thats not a big deal |
| 20:24.01 | Gnarfoz | also what would you expect ;D it's a damn information storage addon ^^ |
| 20:24.11 | Xinhuan | not sure what KTM did but it used like 3% of my CPU when i'm just sitting in IF lol |
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| 20:24.55 | kergoth | Xinhuan, check out http://auctioneeraddon.com/advanced/ |
| 20:25.01 | kergoth | has screenshots :) |
| 20:25.08 | Xinhuan | is it ready for beta yet? |
| 20:25.16 | [dRaCo] | Industrial: http://www.uny-net.de/rdr/uploads/photos/95.jpg |
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| 20:25.21 | kergoth | norgs released the ifrst public preview of it |
| 20:25.26 | [dRaCo] | something like that |
| 20:25.34 | [dRaCo] | changed some little things |
| 20:25.35 | Xinhuan | hmm that acutally looks nice |
| 20:25.35 | kergoth | its working for me in daily use.. occasionally hit a bug, but nothing major so far |
| 20:26.20 | Xinhuan | what does the green/yellow/red numbers mean |
| 20:26.23 | Xinhuan | in the screenshot? |
| 20:26.36 | Corey | [dRaCo] what are those raid frames? |
| 20:26.44 | [dRaCo] | pitbull |
| 20:26.46 | Industrial | [dRaCo]: eep no that texture is fail :( |
| 20:26.49 | kergoth | i think thats how many of that item are in the current scan/image.. not sure though |
| 20:26.56 | [dRaCo] | I love that one :) |
| 20:27.13 | Industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/747d426e5c1642e9adcb011c00a0e0a5.jpg |
| 20:27.19 | Industrial | heres one out of setup mode |
| 20:27.29 | Industrial | disregard the rest of the screen, im setting it up |
| 20:28.15 | [dRaCo] | better, but what's with all those Eliasis frames? target of target of target of target? |
| 20:28.32 | Corey | thats really empty |
| 20:28.51 | kergoth | indy using something other than his own unitframes? gasp! |
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| 20:29.20 | Industrial | kergoth: =) |
| 20:29.42 | Industrial | [dRaCo]: big ones are player and target, above the target is targettarget and targettargettarget |
| 20:29.48 | Xinhuan | "Incremental scanning. Even when you're not scanning, you're still scanning. Every auction you search for, every page you see adds it's data to the stats engine. As a matter of fact, it's possible to generate a quite comprehensive database of statistics without even once scanning the auction house!" |
| 20:29.48 | Industrial | above player is focus and its target |
| 20:29.53 | Industrial | to the left of that my pet and its target |
| 20:29.54 | Xinhuan | hmm that's nice |
| 20:31.03 | Industrial | im not sure i want all those frames - but i was just playing around :> |
| 20:31.19 | Industrial | too bad sizes and bar thingies arent all copied over when you copy it from another frame |
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| 20:33.07 | kergoth | hahah, in the news post about the auctioneer advanced preview: " |
| 20:33.07 | kergoth | We have done our best to try and ensure that this version is rock-stable and has a few bugs as possible, due to the fact that we are sure as soon as you start playing with this new version, you will be ruined forever and never be able to go back to the old Auctioneer ever again." .. so true.. i started playing with aucadv before it had a posting frame, and was so sad to have to go back to the old one :) |
| 20:34.23 | art3mis | new auctioneer nice? |
| 20:34.41 | art3mis | i stopped using it a while back when it seemed to bag the crap out of my system |
| 20:35.43 | kergoth | http://auctioneeraddon.com/advanced/ shows what its like, its working great for me |
| 20:36.10 | kergoth | only weakness i've seen so far is that the "market value" selection of how to price stuff when you post it isnt quite smart enough yet, so i end up choosing simple or stddev or purchased manually |
| 20:36.28 | Fisker- | yeah market price is very stupid |
| 20:37.14 | kergoth | norg has said that we might be able to adjust the weights of each item that drives market value, which would be pretty slick |
| 20:37.25 | kergoth | so could boost stddev above or below simple, or.. |
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| 20:40.35 | kergoth | hrm.. i wonder how to do a shopping list addon best |
| 20:41.36 | Xinhuan | what would it do |
| 20:42.01 | kergoth | i was thinking itd just make it easy to keep an eye out for something you want |
| 20:42.15 | [dRaCo] | so basically a list of item ids |
| 20:42.30 | kergoth | maybe a seperate tab at the ah like the auc appraiser frame, with the items you're looking for, can quickly refresh the list of what they are on the ah, and set up notifications / alerts when stuff drops below a threshold price |
| 20:42.34 | kergoth | and possibly monitor trade |
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| 20:43.16 | Karai | Hello ^^ |
| 20:45.35 | Corey | wish pitbull had a gui for settings, deucecommander doesn't even work |
| 20:48.27 | Recluse | i could have sworn it shows in Niagra |
| 20:48.56 | Karai | The mod, Ratingbuster, doesn't register spellcrit as an attribute of sorts :< |
| 20:49.09 | Xinhuan | huh |
| 20:49.37 | Karai | o.o; |
| 20:49.48 | Corey | niagra eh |
| 20:50.02 | Recluse | yep, it's in my Niagra |
| 20:50.16 | Corey | ill get rid of deuce then |
| 20:50.17 | Corey | thanks |
| 20:51.59 | CIA-14 | 03cronan * r47907 10DrDamage/Locales/Localization-koKR.lua: |
| 20:51.59 | CIA-14 | DrDamage: |
| 20:51.59 | CIA-14 | - Update koKR |
| 20:52.24 | Xinhuan | <Karai> The mod, Ratingbuster, doesn't register spellcrit as an attribute of sorts <-- not quite sure i understood what you meant |
| 20:52.47 | Karai | Well, yesterday I was looking at two pieces of healing gear |
| 20:53.12 | Karai | The new piece I got from a quest showed I would gain mana, hp, armor, holy damahge, healing etc |
| 20:53.17 | Karai | so I was like "hurrah!" |
| 20:53.31 | Karai | After sharding my old piece, my friend informed me that I just lost 30 spell crit rating |
| 20:53.39 | Karai | Not blaming the mod, it was my own fault :P |
| 20:53.45 | Xinhuan | by default, certain stats are enabled/disabled for certain classes from showing |
| 20:53.52 | kergoth | go into its config, it can show spell crit from int under stat, and it can summarize spell crit as well under stat summary. |
| 20:53.54 | Karai | <- paladin |
| 20:53.54 | Xinhuan | there's about 40 stats you can enable |
| 20:53.58 | kergoth | so go enable it |
| 20:54.05 | kergoth | as xin says :) |
| 20:54.06 | Xinhuan | find the spellcrit stat and enable showing it |
| 20:54.12 | Xinhuan | for example, resilience is disabled by default |
| 20:54.17 | Xinhuan | you have to go enable it |
| 20:54.51 | Karai | ooh, ty |
| 20:55.02 | Xinhuan | also as a rogue, i had to manually enable melee hit |
| 20:55.11 | Xinhuan | since the default only shows melee crit |
| 20:55.14 | kergoth | why do users not think to check the configuration of an addon? |
| 20:55.19 | kergoth | boggles the mind |
| 20:55.27 | Karai | ^^; |
| 20:56.01 | Karai | It never occured to me, most addons I use have buttons on the minimap or spam in the chatwindow :x |
| 20:56.28 | kergoth | not all addons are annoying enough to spam the chat window |
| 20:56.32 | kergoth | in fact, most dont |
| 20:56.35 | Xinhuan | i would have 160 buttons on my minimap if every addon i owned has a button |
| 20:56.48 | kergoth | install niagara and configure your ace2 addons that way, easiest |
| 20:56.48 | Karai | :P |
| 20:56.52 | Karai | Also |
| 20:56.54 | kergoth | i'd have 278 |
| 20:56.56 | kergoth | :\ |
| 20:57.04 | Karai | Spellcrit as a stat itself, not just form int |
| 20:57.16 | kergoth | once again |
| 20:57.17 | Recluse | i'm beginning to think it is impossible to pass text to SCT frames 1&2 >.> |
| 20:57.19 | kergoth | theres two options in the config |
| 20:57.24 | kergoth | 1) show spellcrit from int on the int line |
| 20:57.28 | Xinhuan | spellcrit is a "derived stat" |
| 20:57.31 | kergoth | 2) show total spell crit under stat summary |
| 20:57.32 | Thrae | Spell Crit is a rating, Int adds to that rating. |
| 20:57.35 | kergoth | 2) sounds like waht you want |
| 20:57.38 | Xinhuan | in the sense that it comes from both stats itself on the item |
| 20:57.39 | kergoth | so go enable it already |
| 20:57.46 | Xinhuan | as well as from contribution from Int |
| 20:57.49 | Karai | You don't have to be rude :P |
| 20:58.02 | Xinhuan | and if you have talents that increase your Int |
| 20:58.08 | Xinhuan | say a Mage, or Gnome |
| 20:58.09 | kergoth | apparently we do, if you think its better to continue to waste our time than to go look into the config, which you've been told to multiple times now |
| 20:58.13 | Xinhuan | those get added as well |
| 20:58.30 | AnduinLothar | Anyone know the min string for $Rev: 4708 $? is it $Rev$ or $Rev:$ ? |
| 20:58.35 | Karai | You've told me once, and where I looked I couldn't see it :P |
| 20:58.53 | Xinhuan | karai - its under the summary subsection |
| 20:58.56 | kergoth | _I_ told you once, you've been told multiple times. |
| 20:59.10 | Karai | ty Xin |
| 21:05.56 | Pkekyo | I'm looking for low-noise chassis fans....what dB(A) levels should I go for? |
| 21:06.28 | Chompers | 90> |
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| 21:06.58 | Pkekyo | right |
| 21:07.08 | Chompers | no hearing = silence |
| 21:07.15 | Pkekyo | no |
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| 21:27.14 | Chompers | kergoth: how does auctioneer advanced scan? |
| 21:27.19 | Chompers | is it passive? |
| 21:27.29 | kergoth | it picks up data whenever you browse pages on the ah, automaticalkly |
| 21:27.36 | kergoth | or you can do /auc scan and do a full scan of everything |
| 21:27.56 | kergoth | also, when you post, you can just refresh whats on the ah of the item you're posting, and it puts that into its db too |
| 21:27.58 | Chompers | awesome, thanks |
| 21:28.12 | Chompers | are you working on it at all? |
| 21:28.24 | kergoth | nah, just testing and bug reporting so far |
| 21:29.02 | Chompers | it looks very promising so far |
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| 21:42.42 | orionshock | jello everyone |
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| 21:43.44 | Recluse | when you have optionname = { name = "something", } you can set name equal to a function() right? i know the get/set ones can be functions but wnated to check |
| 21:44.19 | Pkekyo | 15 dB acceptable as a low-noise fan? |
| 21:44.43 | Xinhuan | yes you can |
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| 21:46.50 | Recluse | one other question is if you can drop in, say desc = "line1\nline2" to get it to split where you want when it gets parsed by ace? |
| 21:47.24 | Xinhuan | can someone do some maths, if i wear The Lightning Capacitor, Sextant, and have mage T5 4 pc bonus (all procs on crits), and have 36% spellcrit, would a Runed, Potent or Gleaming gem be better? |
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| 21:52.07 | SaladFork | .back |
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| 21:52.12 | SaladFork | Kergoth - how's the shammy working for you? |
| 21:52.30 | SaladFork | Xinhuan - Don't you have Irontygress' mage calculator? |
| 21:52.38 | Xinhuan | no |
| 21:52.42 | SaladFork | *gasp* |
| 21:52.43 | SaladFork | Shame on you! |
| 21:52.52 | SaladFork | It's every mage's responsibility! |
| 21:53.22 | Xinhuan | i've only seen about 100 different posts with 100 different calculations about what is better |
| 21:53.31 | SaladFork | Irontygress is theorycrafting |
| 21:53.41 | Xinhuan | yah, everyone's theory is different |
| 21:53.43 | SaladFork | It takes known algorithms and calculates your DPS and other kinds of information |
| 21:53.46 | SaladFork | No it's not |
| 21:53.55 | SaladFork | There's a whole collection of globally accepted formulas |
| 21:54.04 | Xinhuan | have you tried searching for forum posts that compares the DPS of the various trinkets? |
| 21:54.04 | SaladFork | That DrDamage, Irontygress, and quite a few other mods (some of mine) use |
| 21:54.17 | SaladFork | Xin - trinkets are another ballpark entirely, >.< |
| 21:54.36 | SaladFork | But Irontygress' calculator will give you the exact DPS bonus a piece of gear will give you |
| 21:54.44 | SaladFork | You can even list all possible head armor ordered by DPS |
| 21:54.47 | SaladFork | and with certain gems |
| 21:54.48 | SaladFork | etc. |
| 21:54.52 | Xinhuan | got a link? |
| 21:55.03 | Chompers | kergoth: bug for you to report |
| 21:55.05 | Chompers | uc-advanced\Modules\Auc-Util-Appraiser\Appraiser.lua:444: attempt to call global 'GetSellValue' (a nil value): |
| 21:55.06 | SaladFork | Thanks to it, I top raid DPS as a frost mage, ;) |
| 21:55.12 | SaladFork | Xin - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=106863613&sid=1 |
| 21:55.16 | Xinhuan | your mages are bad ;p |
| 21:55.19 | Xinhuan | i top dps as arcane |
| 21:55.23 | SaladFork | Xin - I do 964 dps self-buffed |
| 21:55.31 | SaladFork | I only have one piece of kara gear |
| 21:55.32 | SaladFork | The rest is pre-kara |
| 21:55.34 | SaladFork | So eat it. |
| 21:56.05 | SaladFork | Frost mages are not as bad as their reputation makes them out to be. The problem is most frost mages don't do their research and therefore suck ass |
| 21:56.19 | Xinhuan | i said the mages in your guild are bad - not you |
| 21:56.24 | SaladFork | Xin - I disagree |
| 21:56.30 | SaladFork | 900 dps in kara isn't something to be scoffed at |
| 21:56.35 | SaladFork | especially in pre-kara gear |
| 21:57.03 | SaladFork | Especially considering we don't have an elem shammy, so we all have to get the 13% +hit |
| 21:57.09 | SaladFork | and sacrifice some damage for it |
| 21:57.16 | Punkie` | ERM |
| 21:57.19 | Punkie` | whoops |
| 21:57.21 | Punkie` | caps! |
| 21:57.23 | Pkekyo | 15 dB acceptable as a low-noise fan? |
| 21:57.37 | Punkie` | are you saying that other guilds have ele shammies? :P |
| 21:57.44 | Punkie` | and 15dB seems acceptable |
| 21:57.51 | kergoth | Chompers, that current svn or the preview? |
| 21:58.03 | Pkekyo | Punkie`: how does 26dB sound? |
| 21:58.41 | SaladFork | Xin - I'm sitting at 908 spelldmg (+80 once crusade stacks up) unbuffed |
| 21:58.44 | SaladFork | in pre-kara gear |
| 21:58.51 | Punkie` | most low noise fans are at about 25dB |
| 21:58.53 | SaladFork | With only 10 points in arcane (for clearcasting), that's not something to be laughed at |
| 21:59.11 | Xinhuan | i don't think i want to argue |
| 21:59.15 | SaladFork | Lol |
| 21:59.21 | SaladFork | I've done more research than most mages do in their whole WoW career |
| 21:59.31 | SaladFork | I can quote you the exact formulas the game uses for each calculation |
| 21:59.38 | SaladFork | As well as caps and exact DPS coutns |
| 21:59.39 | Pkekyo | trying to find a decent 120mm low-noise fan without leds in it....close to impossible |
| 21:59.48 | SaladFork | My guild knows me as the algorithm/formula guy, I do all the math for us |
| 21:59.49 | Xinhuan | you underestimate my 418 days /played then ;) |
| 21:59.50 | SaladFork | /shrug |
| 22:00.05 | SaladFork | Xin - More time playing does not neccessarily mean you know more, =P |
| 22:00.14 | Xinhuan | unfortunately i do know most things ;p |
| 22:00.29 | Cidan | how modest |
| 22:00.29 | SaladFork | Well, you're all sitting pretty in T5 4pc, ;) |
| 22:00.32 | SaladFork | I'm still in prekara |
| 22:00.43 | SaladFork | How much DPS do you do self-buffed, if you don't mind me asking? =) |
| 22:00.48 | SaladFork | (Against a level 73 target) |
| 22:00.52 | Xinhuan | never really recorded any tests |
| 22:00.57 | SaladFork | Xin - what's your realm/char? |
| 22:00.59 | Xinhuan | what's a good way to measure that? |
| 22:01.06 | SaladFork | I'll use Irontygress real quick ot calculature your DPS under ideal conditions |
| 22:01.10 | Xinhuan | us blackrock Xinhuan |
| 22:01.20 | SaladFork | !c us blackrock Xinhuan |
| 22:01.25 | ThraeBot | SaladFork: Xinhuan, Level 70 Gnome Mage (48/13/0). 7303 HP; 10616 Mana; 179 mana regen; 27 mp5; 389 spell crit; 111 spell hit; 893 +spell dmg/heal; 144 frost dmg (1037); 144 arcane dmg (1037); 144 fire dmg (1037); 5.86% dodge; 68 resilience; 10 arcane resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1479 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ys7kff ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/39m74y ][ Updated: Sat Sep 1 18:12:16 2007 ]] |
| 22:01.27 | SaladFork | You use Arcane Blast or Arcane MIssiles for DPS? |
| 22:01.34 | Xinhuan | both |
| 22:01.38 | Xinhuan | you have to use a 8 sec ab-rotation |
| 22:01.47 | SaladFork | 8 sec? |
| 22:01.48 | Xinhuan | and vary dpm vs dps depending on the fight |
| 22:01.48 | SaladFork | Let me plug that in |
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| 22:01.52 | SaladFork | Let's see how this comes up, =) |
| 22:01.57 | Xinhuan | its like a hunter shot rotation |
| 22:02.00 | Xinhuan | but you can vary the speed |
| 22:02.05 | Punkie` | man what's with this battle of proof O.o |
| 22:02.16 | Xinhuan | so if its a long fight, you can do AB-AB-scorchx4 rotation |
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| 22:02.25 | Xinhuan | or if its shorter you can do 3xAB-AM-scorch |
| 22:02.42 | Xinhuan | or if its near the end of the fight and you have 8k mana, you just chain AB non-stop |
| 22:02.48 | SaladFork | Xin - Mage Armor or Molten Armor? |
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| 22:02.53 | Xinhuan | usually mage |
| 22:03.03 | SaladFork | mmk |
| 22:03.04 | Xinhuan | but the point of it is to reach 0 mana as the boss dies |
| 22:03.09 | SaladFork | And would you like to have any buffs/exilirs/flasks/etc.? |
| 22:03.20 | Xinhuan | because as a fire/frost mage, you will never ever get to finish using using the mana a shadow priest gives you |
| 22:03.26 | Xinhuan | but a arcane mage can |
| 22:03.49 | Xinhuan | add a flask if you want |
| 22:04.03 | SaladFork | wtf |
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| 22:04.13 | SaladFork | Xin - you only have 111 hit rating and you didn't put 3 in elemental precision? |
| 22:04.26 | Xinhuan | elemental precision only affects fire/frost spells |
| 22:04.36 | Xinhuan | please check that i have 5/5 in Arcane Focus |
| 22:04.40 | Xinhuan | and i only require 76 hit to max out |
| 22:04.41 | SaladFork | Yeah, btu considering you got imp. fireball, I assume you use it as well |
| 22:04.45 | Xinhuan | no |
| 22:04.49 | Xinhuan | an arcane mage never uses fireball |
| 22:04.53 | Xinhuan | only sorch in the AB-rotation |
| 22:04.59 | SaladFork | mmmk, you just got it to go ah ead |
| 22:05.01 | Xinhuan | the only time i use fireball is on Curator |
| 22:05.04 | SaladFork | Let me keep plugging your talents in |
| 22:05.12 | Xinhuan | because curator is immune to arcane |
| 22:05.40 | Xinhuan | you can assume that i will be using AB-AB-AB-AM-Scorch as the casting rotation |
| 22:05.49 | Xinhuan | and that i will break the rotation to cast clearcast-AM |
| 22:05.58 | Xinhuan | whenever clearcast procs, with a /stopcasting |
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| 22:06.14 | SaladFork | Irontygress says pure arcane blast spam would get you 1k DPS to about 1.4k DPS depending on the number of arcane blast debuffs you get |
| 22:06.15 | Xinhuan | because a 70% crit AM will crit on every wave, triggering TLC |
| 22:06.23 | SaladFork | arcane missiles would average 1.1k dps |
| 22:06.25 | Xinhuan | so please factor in that too |
| 22:06.35 | SaladFork | Oh, the calculator does all that |
| 22:06.45 | Recluse | well it didn't let me pass name = function() return "string" end. ace complained that it wasn't a string lol |
| 22:06.52 | Xinhuan | you sure the calculator will assume i will always clearcast-am? |
| 22:06.54 | SaladFork | This is all assuming you buffed yourself with a Flask of Supreme Power, a Superior Wizard Oil, and a +23 spelldmg food buff |
| 22:07.01 | SaladFork | and you have a Wrath of Air Totem near you |
| 22:07.22 | Xinhuan | it breaks the AB-rotation depending on when it procs |
| 22:07.28 | Xinhuan | and modifies the rotation |
| 22:07.33 | SaladFork | Xin - The calculator doesn't work with spell rotations, just shows me DPS if you were to spam a spell. As I said above, Arcane Blast spam = 1k-1.4k DPS, and AM is 1.1k DPS |
| 22:07.44 | SaladFork | So we can safely deduce when fully bfufed you can his 1.2k DPS+ |
| 22:07.49 | Xinhuan | well that isn't how arcane spec works salad |
| 22:07.53 | SaladFork | I know |
| 22:08.04 | SaladFork | Which is why we don't take the values at face value |
| 22:08.04 | Amadeo | deduce, lol |
| 22:08.06 | Xinhuan | TLC accounts for 6% of my dps in a typical 10 min boss fight |
| 22:08.29 | SaladFork | So add 6% to 1.2k |
| 22:09.16 | SaladFork | That's still 1.2k-1.3k |
| 22:09.19 | Xinhuan | about 44% arcane blasts, 30% AM, 13% scorch, 6% TLC, and pyroblast about 2% |
| 22:09.25 | Xinhuan | arcane power is used whenever its up |
| 22:09.28 | Xinhuan | and chain casting AB |
| 22:09.35 | Xinhuan | with clearcast procs AM |
| 22:09.37 | Xinhuan | when AP is used |
| 22:09.41 | Xinhuan | but not scorch |
| 22:09.57 | Xinhuan | because AP's +30% mana is only applied to the base casting cost of AB |
| 22:10.06 | SaladFork | Xin, I'm telling you that you can pull off 1.3k DPS average |
| 22:10.25 | SaladFork | When fully buffed up |
| 22:10.36 | SaladFork | Given ideal conditions |
| 22:10.39 | SaladFork | Where you can just stand and shoot |
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| 22:10.50 | SaladFork | I did add a 20ms casting latency though, which is about what you can reach with spellstopping macros |
| 22:11.04 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 22:11.15 | cncfanatics | yo all ... |
| 22:11.43 | Amadeo | You about to rap? |
| 22:12.04 | Gngsk | feel my flow all |
| 22:12.19 | Amadeo | here we go now |
| 22:12.35 | SaladFork | Gngsk - DFF |
| 22:12.48 | Xinhuan | does that dps account for debuffs like Misery, curse of shadows? |
| 22:12.55 | SaladFork | Xin - Those can be factored in |
| 22:12.57 | SaladFork | Why are you still arguing? |
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| 22:13.04 | Xinhuan | just wondering |
| 22:13.20 | SaladFork | Go get Irontygress' yourself |
| 22:13.21 | SaladFork | I linked you to it |
| 22:13.24 | SaladFork | It's pretty easy to use, =P |
| 22:13.34 | SaladFork | Just make sure to put in your intellect BEFORE arcane intellect |
| 22:13.41 | SaladFork | when you check Arcane Int as a buff it'll automatically add it to calculations |
| 22:14.08 | Xinhuan | it just occured to me that being a gnome, i get +1% dps from racial lol |
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| 22:16.37 | SaladFork | btw xin |
| 22:16.40 | SaladFork | for your amusement |
| 22:16.47 | SaladFork | !vs us aerie peak saladfork us blackrock xinhuan |
| 22:16.49 | ThraeBot | SaladFork: Saladfork vs Xinhuan! Two 70 mages square off!; 10/0/51 vs 48/13/0; Xinhuan wins by 389 TBRs! |
| 22:17.05 | Xinhuan | TBRs are for pvp stats ;p |
| 22:17.09 | Xinhuan | i last logged out in pve gear hehe |
| 22:17.15 | SaladFork | Don't worry |
| 22:17.19 | SaladFork | I'm PvE specced and geared |
| 22:17.32 | SaladFork | I have like 6.7k hp lol |
| 22:17.34 | Xinhuan | ppl in the bloodlust bg channel found out |
| 22:17.35 | SaladFork | and like 12 resilience |
| 22:17.40 | Xinhuan | about !vs command |
| 22:17.45 | Xinhuan | they have been spamming !vs ever since |
| 22:17.47 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 22:17.53 | SaladFork | XD |
| 22:18.11 | SaladFork | Xin - I'm surprised you're using a staff |
| 22:18.17 | Amadeo | I just do the vs thing in msg |
| 22:18.32 | Xinhuan | there isn't a MH+OH that beats the season 2 staff |
| 22:18.33 | Punkie` | !vs us kazzak punkie us blackrock xinhuan |
| 22:18.34 | ThraeBot | Punkie`: I failed on the second listed character. You half-fail. |
| 22:18.37 | Thrae | The TBRs compare stats and gear weights from class to class, so if you're both in PvE, then it's a fair fight |
| 22:18.39 | SaladFork | Lol, yes there is |
| 22:18.43 | Punkie` | !vs eu kazzak punkie us blackrock xinhuan |
| 22:18.45 | ThraeBot | Punkie`: Punkie vs Xinhuan! A L70 rogue and a L70 mage square off!; 41/20/0 vs 48/13/0; Xinhuan wins by 431 TBRs! |
| 22:18.55 | Punkie` | zomg |
| 22:18.59 | Xinhuan | spellhit is worth 0 to me |
| 22:19.03 | Thrae | You both get penalized in TBRs for your PvE-oriented gear and/or spec |
| 22:19.06 | SaladFork | Xin - I know |
| 22:19.06 | Fisker- | Punkie` skal vi 31108? |
| 22:19.10 | SaladFork | Xin - http://thottbot.com/i32053 |
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| 22:19.13 | Punkie` | !c eu kazzak punkie |
| 22:19.14 | SaladFork | Has the same +spelldmg as your staff |
| 22:19.16 | ThraeBot | Punkie`: Punkie, Level 70 Gnome Rogue (41/20/0). 8864 HP; +10 Energy; 1675 AP; 381.1 Melee DPS; 28.48% melee crit; 254 melee hit; 27.36% dodge; 12 resilience; 10 arcane resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1045 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yu8w52 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2wl3b9 ][ Updated: Sat Sep 1 18:29:40 2007 ]] |
| 22:19.17 | SaladFork | But you can add an offhand to it |
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| 22:19.32 | Xinhuan | yes but i lose a lot of crit as well |
| 22:19.35 | Punkie` | Thrae: harsh! i had like 3k points before! |
| 22:19.44 | Punkie` | Fisker-: what are you talking about! |
| 22:19.49 | SaladFork | Xin - the Talisman of kalecgos (badge reward) would give you +50 more spelldmg |
| 22:19.57 | Xinhuan | i was thinking about it |
| 22:20.04 | Xinhuan | buying that offhand that is |
| 22:20.13 | Fisker- | learn danish and turn your monitor upside-down Punkie` |
| 22:20.14 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 22:20.21 | SaladFork | Xin - I'm using... |
| 22:20.24 | SaladFork | !i Eternium Runed Blade |
| 22:20.26 | ThraeBot | SaladFork: Name: Eternium Runed Blade; Rarity: Purple; BoE; 27 - 114 dmg; 1.7 delay; 41.52941 dps; +19 Intellect; Requires L70; 75 Durability; +21 CritSpellRating; Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 168.. [[ http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=23554 ]] |
| 22:20.28 | Punkie` | danish is the worst language ever |
| 22:20.36 | Xinhuan | i'm also considering whether i should switch to mystical meta |
| 22:20.40 | Xinhuan | next patch |
| 22:20.44 | kergoth | dangit.. anyone else using sorrentimers? |
| 22:20.46 | Xinhuan | because its buffed to a 10 sec duration |
| 22:20.48 | Xinhuan | instead of 4 sec |
| 22:20.50 | Punkie` | Fisker-: oh bai! |
| 22:21.04 | Xinhuan | this means i can cast a total of 4 arcane missiles in 10 seconds since channelled spells don't use up the proc |
| 22:21.39 | Fisker- | LULZ @ technobabble |
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| 22:21.51 | Fisker- | "I had our IT-guys check our firewall and our DMZ was breached" |
| 22:21.55 | SaladFork | Hmm, seems like it would be better Xin |
| 22:22.00 | Fisker- | internet lulz machine |
| 22:22.03 | Xinhuan | unforunately its the meta requirement |
| 22:22.06 | Xinhuan | more blues than yellow |
| 22:22.19 | Xinhuan | will mean i have to resocket potents with something else |
| 22:22.20 | Xinhuan | like glowing |
| 22:22.26 | SaladFork | And Xin |
| 22:22.31 | SaladFork | I have more spell crit % than you |
| 22:22.34 | SaladFork | If you're not clearcasting |
| 22:22.34 | SaladFork | =D |
| 22:22.42 | Xinhuan | heh how much spellcrit? |
| 22:22.59 | SaladFork | Let me double check |
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| 22:23.24 | SaladFork | 34.04% chance self-buffed |
| 22:23.37 | SaladFork | You're at 28.74% , but you get +3% from your talent |
| 22:24.05 | Xinhuan | ok lets change that question - whats your spellcrit at from gear alone - in spell crit rating |
| 22:24.12 | SaladFork | Oh, much less than yours |
| 22:24.17 | SaladFork | 208 |
| 22:24.24 | SaladFork | But my talents give frostbolt so much +critchance |
| 22:24.29 | Xinhuan | oh 10% heh |
| 22:24.35 | Xinhuan | from winterschill |
| 22:24.39 | SaladFork | Nah |
| 22:24.42 | SaladFork | I get 19.04% without talents |
| 22:25.02 | SaladFork | Once you factor in Empowered Frostbolt |
| 22:25.04 | SaladFork | That's +3% |
| 22:25.16 | Xinhuan | i have 6% crit to arcane blast from talents |
| 22:25.21 | Xinhuan | that boosts it up a bit |
| 22:25.25 | SaladFork | Oh really? I missed that |
| 22:25.26 | SaladFork | Hehe |
| 22:25.31 | Recluse | IsAddonLoaded() returns true for addons that are loaded but not "enabled" via ace. is there a way to check for the enabled flag? |
| 22:25.33 | SaladFork | Oh well, I'm a very crit-unreliant build |
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| 22:25.38 | SaladFork | I don't have a single +spellcrit gem or enchant |
| 22:25.40 | Xinhuan | yes its the one that adds 6% crit to both arcane blast and explosion |
| 22:25.48 | SaladFork | For good reason though |
| 22:26.06 | Xinhuan | so factor in clearcasting at 10%, on a 36% crit rate, that's actually +3.6% average crit too |
| 22:26.09 | SaladFork | my specm akes it so +1 spelldmg is +0.424 DPS, +1 hit is +0.733 DPS, but +1 spellcrit is only +0.297 DPS |
| 22:26.21 | Xinhuan | oops |
| 22:26.23 | SaladFork | So spellcrit takes a back seat in my build |
| 22:26.36 | Xinhuan | i mean factor in +30% crit over 10% clearcasting chance == +3% avg crit |
| 22:26.43 | SaladFork | nice, nice |
| 22:26.56 | SaladFork | Recluse - you try IsEnabled()? |
| 22:28.38 | Xinhuan | does that program increase crits by the appropriate damage with a relentless meta btw? |
| 22:28.59 | Xinhuan | due to the way +crit% damage is calculated, frost spec gets +9% damage on crits from relentless |
| 22:29.07 | Recluse | SaladFork: Addon:IsEnabled() or IsEnabled("Addon")? |
| 22:29.09 | Xinhuan | arcane gets +4.5% and fire gets +3% |
| 22:29.12 | SaladFork | Recluse - I have no idea |
| 22:29.23 | SaladFork | Xin - I'm just telling you what the math says |
| 22:29.30 | SaladFork | And +spellcrit rating is the least increase in DPS |
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| 22:29.39 | SaladFork | Though I really don't need it that much |
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| 22:30.11 | Xinhuan | well, TLC and sextant and t5 4 pc are all procs that give you additional damage on spellcrit |
| 22:30.15 | Xinhuan | that makes spellcrit a lot more valuable |
| 22:30.24 | Xinhuan | than its base value |
| 22:30.27 | SaladFork | I have 19.04% base, I get +10% for fulll winter's chill stacks, giving me +29.04%, I get +5% from Empowered Frostbolt, giving me 34.04%, and then I get +3% from Molten armor, up to 37.04% |
| 22:30.28 | SaladFork | Or something like that |
| 22:30.48 | Xinhuan | sextant has a hidden cooldow, but 4 pc t5 doesn't |
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| 22:31.16 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 22:31.23 | cncfanatics | just finished installing new linux box :o |
| 22:31.27 | SaladFork | What distro? |
| 22:32.11 | Recluse | hmm, i think it's Addon:IsEnabled() i'll drop it in and see if it croaks |
| 22:32.26 | SaladFork | Recluse |
| 22:32.27 | SaladFork | Don't |
| 22:32.28 | SaladFork | Stay in game |
| 22:32.36 | SaladFork | And type /print YOURADDONNAME:IsEnabled() |
| 22:32.42 | SaladFork | See if it prints true/false or errors |
| 22:33.09 | cncfanatics | SaladFork, g'old debian |
| 22:33.12 | SaladFork | Cnc - nice |
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| 22:33.46 | ckknight | hey all |
| 22:33.47 | Recluse | hmm, good idea XD |
| 22:33.54 | ckknight | how's everyone doing? |
| 22:34.04 | cncfanatics | just finished installing linux |
| 22:34.16 | cncfanatics | wondering where I can find *decent* ATI drivers |
| 22:34.20 | Xinhuan | i am trying to find disobediant dragonmaw peons ;p |
| 22:34.21 | SaladFork | ckknight - You going to ident? |
| 22:34.31 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 22:34.32 | cncfanatics | I heard some stuff that the open source ones were actualy better then the proprietary drivers, anyone confirm/deny ? |
| 22:34.40 | SaladFork | Kk, just double checkign we didn't have an imposter, ;) |
| 22:34.43 | ckknight | SaladFork, not my comp, it's in the shop |
| 22:34.55 | SaladFork | Ckk - just checking, ;) |
| 22:35.18 | Xinhuan | ckknight is a wow fanatic - logs on irc even when not at home ;p |
| 22:35.27 | ckknight | I'm at home |
| 22:35.36 | Recluse | ah well, no workie: [string "AceLibrary('AceConsole-2.0'):PrintLiteral(C..."] line 1: attempt to call method 'IsLoaded' (a nil value) |
| 22:35.37 | ckknight | I have my mom's laptop |
| 22:36.01 | SaladFork | Recluse - did you try IsEnabled()? |
| 22:36.07 | Recluse | how long does the shop have yours for, any idea? |
| 22:36.28 | Recluse | omg, i'm a dolt wrong function name >.> |
| 22:36.58 | ckknight | Recluse, till Monday or so |
| 22:37.20 | SaladFork | Recluse - also try IsAddonEnabled() |
| 22:37.23 | SaladFork | You never know |
| 22:37.40 | cncfanatics | anyone, any idea for good ATI drivers ? (a) |
| 22:37.42 | Corey | cnc what is state button for? |
| 22:38.27 | Recluse | Addon:IsEnabled() returned the nil method error for some addons, "no such global: AddonName" for others. trying the one you just mentioned |
| 22:38.50 | cncfanatics | Corey, changing buttons with shapeshifts, stance changes & stealth |
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| 22:39.30 | ckknight | Recluse, :IsActive() |
| 22:39.45 | Recluse | yeah Addon:IsAddOnEnabled() and Addon:IsAddonEnabled() don't exist - ok ckk, let me try that one |
| 22:40.51 | SaladFork | No, that's ckk |
| 22:40.57 | SaladFork | if he suggests a function |
| 22:41.00 | SaladFork | You don't "try that one" |
| 22:41.02 | SaladFork | You "use that one" |
| 22:41.02 | Pkekyo | is 14dB from a 1400rpm 120mm fan realistic at all? |
| 22:41.14 | Corey | oh nice |
| 22:41.24 | ckknight | lol, SaladFork |
| 22:41.28 | Corey | much love for your addon |
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| 22:41.43 | Xinhuan | :o |
| 22:41.47 | cncfanatics | Corey, thanks :) |
| 22:41.48 | ckknight | I want some lovin' |
| 22:41.50 | SaladFork | XD |
| 22:41.51 | SaladFork | http://lahandi.deviantart.com/art/Kill-Bill-52784151 |
| 22:41.53 | SaladFork | <3 that wallpaper |
| 22:42.03 | cncfanatics | anyone with a dark wallpaper ? |
| 22:42.07 | cncfanatics | I'm setting up everything darkish |
| 22:42.09 | cncfanatics | can't stand black on white |
| 22:42.14 | cncfanatics | gray on gray > all |
| 22:42.28 | Recluse | perfect, that worked at last :) |
| 22:43.18 | ckknight | Recluse, see, SaladFork was right about me being right |
| 22:43.28 | ckknight | I also need to take a shower... |
| 22:43.30 | Corey | i got much love for most of ur addons too ckk |
| 22:43.33 | ckknight | off I go! |
| 22:43.37 | Recluse | :p |
| 22:44.54 | cncfanatics | :o |
| 22:44.59 | cncfanatics | wowace looks ownish with a forced dark theme |
| 22:45.33 | AnduinLothar | Working on a revision for addon categories. Looking for Comments/Suggestions: http://wowi.pastey.net/73260 |
| 22:47.11 | Sole | good morning |
| 22:47.26 | cncfanatics | yo Sole |
| 22:47.38 | cncfanatics | now, someone, tell me where to find good ATI drivers |
| 22:49.35 | Sole | Omega |
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| 22:51.11 | SaladFork | Cnc - Greasemonkey/Stylish? |
| 22:51.13 | Sole | cncfanatics: http://www.omegadrivers.net/ |
| 22:51.41 | Amadeo | People still use Omega? |
| 22:51.58 | Amadeo | I didn't even know he was still putting them together |
| 22:52.11 | Amadeo | I remember he got into WoW and made some HUD addon |
| 22:52.48 | Sole | AnduinLothar: the maps cattegory is a bit broad/undescriptive |
| 22:53.03 | cncfanatics | Sole, how good are those drivers ? |
| 22:53.11 | Sole | I havent used an ATI card since dec last year so I dunno what drivers are good now |
| 22:53.29 | Sole | cncfanatics: well I liked them when I had an ATI card - theyre simply optimized catalyst drivers |
| 22:53.32 | CIA-14 | 03kergoth * r47908 10SorrenTimers/options.lua: SorrenTimers: make the "grow up" options take effect right away, rather than requiring a ui reload or addon standby/activation. |
| 22:53.39 | AnduinLothar | Sole: think it should be split into map/minimap/waypoint/battlemap ? |
| 22:53.41 | cncfanatics | Sole, I guess it can't hurt trying |
| 22:53.44 | NickNock | DNA-drivers is pretty good i think |
| 22:54.01 | kergoth | Sole, you did antagonist right? |
| 22:54.03 | cncfanatics | Sole, i'm not on windows -.- |
| 22:54.12 | Sole | cncfanatics: asking these nerds is better...they'll know some weird wacky good drivers |
| 22:54.16 | Sole | kergoth: yes |
| 22:54.41 | Sole | AnduinLothar: maybe, could also change map -> world map |
| 22:54.59 | Xinhuan | i think there are too many categories - a user isn't likely to have more than 2 or 3 addons in the same category active/loaded |
| 22:55.12 | Sole | that too |
| 22:55.15 | AnduinLothar | right, that's why i just left maps |
| 22:55.22 | Gnarfoz | good ATI drivers for linux? ;D haha |
| 22:55.22 | Sole | Im so contradictive |
| 22:55.23 | kergoth | i had a question.. i see theres target only... i'd like to still see bars from previous targets.. so i dont want to see everything, i just dont want the bars to go away when i switch targets, if that makes sense. (though i know you wouldnt catch disspells and stuff unless it was a focus or something..). basically, when i'm fighting a pally and he bubbles, and i switch to another target, i still want to know when the pally's bubble wears off |
| 22:55.23 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:55.36 | kergoth | any ideas? |
| 22:55.41 | AnduinLothar | the other way to simplify would be to trim the classes down to "Class Helpers" |
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| 22:55.54 | Xinhuan | focus targets ;p |
| 22:57.32 | Sole | kergoth: interesting suggestion, I like it. Only problem is Im having trouble finding that bit of code :P |
| 22:57.40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:57.45 | Sole | havent opened antagonist in months |
| 22:58.24 | kergoth | can it also show timers for focus? thatd work too, could just make the pally my focus and go ahead and switch targets.. if you didnt want to make the bars 'sticky' |
| 22:58.36 | kergoth | either way, not a big deal, just thought about it while doing arena on my rogue |
| 22:58.45 | cncfanatics | hmmm,lets get into compiling a kernl |
| 22:59.14 | Xinhuan | you could probably write a mod specifically for arena tracking of enemies |
| 22:59.18 | Xinhuan | and their every buff/debuff |
| 22:59.22 | Xinhuan | based on combat log |
| 23:02.13 | CIA-14 | 03kergoth * r47909 10Hitman/ (Hitman.lua Hitman.toc libs/): Hitman: use SinkLib for output, and register its own frame with it. |
| 23:02.41 | Corey | cnc is fb2 going to support bar textures in the future? like cycircled or does it already lol |
| 23:03.02 | cncfanatics | Corey, its up to cycircled to support flexbar, not the reverse |
| 23:03.22 | cncfanatics | addons could already retexture the bars if they wanted to, not like its hard or anything |
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| 23:03.29 | cncfanatics | I'll probably make it easyer in the future though |
| 23:03.45 | Corey | ahh |
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| 23:04.46 | AnduinLothar | Anyone got a good reason why "Interface Enhancements" can't just be part of Miscellaneous? |
| 23:05.11 | cncfanatics | ask Slouken ? :p |
| 23:05.19 | kergoth | i dont think interface enhancements are miscellaneous. i view interface enhancements as changes to the look and feel of the wow interface, personally |
| 23:05.27 | AnduinLothar | has nothing to do with slouken |
| 23:06.14 | AnduinLothar | ok, so what qualifies as Miscellaneous but not an Interface Enhancement |
| 23:06.36 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 23:06.42 | cncfanatics | Misc could be something like eh |
| 23:06.50 | cncfanatics | ... |
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| 23:08.47 | AnduinLothar | only thing i can think of is like StupidMount2 that has a non-gui interaction |
| 23:08.59 | cncfanatics | hmmm, i'm smart, trying to compile a kernel without gcc :d |
| 23:09.14 | cncfanatics | AnduinLother, stuff like ApplytoForhead to |
| 23:09.24 | cncfanatics | (kills off some functions to make video options work on linux) |
| 23:10.58 | cncfanatics | make randconfig" Create a ./.config file by setting symbol values to random values. |
| 23:10.59 | Xinhuan | [9/2 07:04:51] <+AnduinLothar> ok, so what qualifies as Miscellaneous but not an Interface Enhancement |
| 23:11.16 | Xinhuan | an addon that auto grats ppl on /g when ppl say "ding" on /g |
| 23:11.25 | AnduinLothar | that's social imo |
| 23:11.43 | Xinhuan | "misc" isn't very defined |
| 23:12.05 | AnduinLothar | anytihgn that doesn't have a category already |
| 23:12.06 | Xinhuan | in my opinion, miscellaneous is defined as a category where everything goes into when there's no other category that fits it |
| 23:12.07 | SaladFork | I personally think of "misc" as an addon that covers more than one category |
| 23:12.52 | kergoth | there are quite a few addons that don't have uis, and not all fit neatly into categories |
| 23:13.04 | Silviu- | 3Current Downstream: 353.12 KBytes/s |
| 23:13.07 | AnduinLothar | ok, next question. should we even have categories that imply who an addon is for, rather than what it does? |
| 23:13.11 | Silviu- | Bioshock inc :D |
| 23:13.20 | SaladFork | Anduin - You mean class addons? |
| 23:13.31 | Xinhuan | how about games addons |
| 23:13.33 | Xinhuan | like wowchess |
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| 23:13.41 | AnduinLothar | social imo |
| 23:13.52 | AnduinLothar | class/healer/tank/caster is what i was thinking |
| 23:14.02 | Xinhuan | not all games are social |
| 23:14.11 | SaladFork | Strip Solitaire is fun as hell |
| 23:14.11 | Xinhuan | there's some "single player game" addons out there |
| 23:14.18 | Xinhuan | like tetris type addons |
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| 23:15.48 | AnduinLothar | mmm, i'm gonna leave the specific classes just for the sake of addon distributers, like curse/wowi |
| 23:16.23 | cncfanatics | AnduinLother, healer tank caster, so rogues tank now ? |
| 23:16.31 | Sole | AnduinLothar: are these the new categories for Ace2/3 addons? |
| 23:16.48 | Xinhuan | addon distributor sites have 3 extra categories too - "Fubar" "Ace" "Titan" |
| 23:16.50 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 23:17.05 | Sole | lol |
| 23:17.10 | SaladFork | Um |
| 23:17.16 | SaladFork | Wouldn't Fubar be under Ace? |
| 23:17.22 | Xinhuan | nope |
| 23:17.24 | Xinhuan | ppl complained |
| 23:17.26 | Sole | its big enough to be its own category |
| 23:17.28 | SaladFork | XD |
| 23:17.31 | Xinhuan | that they only want to find "fubar addons" |
| 23:17.32 | Funkeh` | hahaha |
| 23:17.40 | Funkeh` | awesome |
| 23:17.47 | Xinhuan | so it got its own caregory |
| 23:17.51 | Xinhuan | category |
| 23:17.57 | CIA-14 | 03jncl * r47910 10Skinner/ (15 files in 2 dirs): |
| 23:17.57 | CIA-14 | Skinner: Updated Ludwig, Violation, FlightMap, LightHeaded, QuestHistory, epgp, ProfessionsBook, DoubleWide & SpecialTalentUI skins |
| 23:17.57 | CIA-14 | - Added option to colour the statusbar background |
| 23:17.57 | CIA-14 | - Handle a nil pointer in the moveObject function |
| 23:18.02 | Xinhuan | and half the fubar plugins are in ace and the other half are in fubar |
| 23:18.33 | AnduinLothar | what happened to the category browse on curse? |
| 23:18.59 | AnduinLothar | jsut tags now? |
| 23:19.02 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, whats the difference between an ace & a fubar addon lol ? |
| 23:19.13 | cncfanatics | except it has 1 line of code more in it to add a minimap button / fubar entry |
| 23:19.20 | Xinhuan | people wanted a category specifically for "fubar plugins" |
| 23:19.27 | ckknight | cncfanatics, all FuBar addons are ace. not all ace addons are FuBar |
| 23:19.35 | Xinhuan | meaning they don't want to see any fubar plugins when they look at "Ace" addons |
| 23:20.22 | Xinhuan | so for eg, there's 300 ace addons on the site, and 40 of them are fubar plugins, i wouldn't be interested in the plugins if i'm just browsing ace addons in general |
| 23:20.26 | FRUCHT | in soviet russia, all addons are fubar |
| 23:20.26 | Xinhuan | that's the user point of view |
| 23:20.34 | FRUCHT | in soviet russia, everything is fubar |
| 23:20.46 | SaladFork | In soviet russia, fubar is everything |
| 23:21.28 | kergoth | fubar makes sense as a category on addno sites, ace does not. who gives a shit what library it uses? group by what the addon does, not how it happens to have been coded. |
| 23:21.43 | cncfanatics | ckknight, most ace addons add a fubar entry |
| 23:21.46 | cncfanatics | only very few do not |
| 23:21.51 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.52 | SaladFork | I'm with kergoth on this one |
| 23:22.06 | Xinhuan | addon site users demanded those categories |
| 23:22.07 | ckknight | cncfanatics, and I plan on changing that with Joker |
| 23:22.10 | Xinhuan | so heh |
| 23:22.18 | cncfanatics | ckknight, how so ? |
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| 23:22.33 | ckknight | cncfanatics, most addons use FuBar as an easy configuration system |
| 23:22.44 | ckknight | Joker has a centralized Niagara-like config system |
| 23:22.54 | kergoth | fubar is best used to show information, not has a minimap button replacement, imo |
| 23:23.02 | kergoth | hrm |
| 23:23.08 | ckknight | yea, but that's what it has become, kergoth |
| 23:23.12 | ckknight | for many addons |
| 23:23.26 | FRUCHT | well, fubar has lots of space |
| 23:23.32 | kergoth | what drives me nuts are when an addon does just that, and then doesnt let me disable the fubar plugin |
| 23:23.32 | kergoth | grr |
| 23:23.40 | SaladFork | ckknight - If you can make that config system as awesome as parrot's, you have me sold. |
| 23:23.41 | kergoth | s/disable/hide/ |
| 23:23.44 | FRUCHT | if i remove all the configuration bits 2/3 of the bar will be empty |
| 23:23.48 | Amadeo | I don't like minimap buttons, they get in the way |
| 23:23.56 | ckknight | SaladFork, Parrot's isn't that great |
| 23:24.04 | SaladFork | The look of it blew me mind |
| 23:24.05 | SaladFork | my* |
| 23:24.12 | SaladFork | Config is a little iffy |
| 23:24.15 | SaladFork | Has a few glitches and bugs |
| 23:24.16 | SaladFork | but the look |
| 23:24.19 | kergoth | i use niagara for most configuration.. that said, nsidebar is a pretty cool way to do it (used by auctioneer/enchantrix/btmscan/gatherer) |
| 23:24.25 | cncfanatics | SaladFork, ain't the config gui of parrot just a waterfall config thingy ? |
| 23:24.26 | SaladFork | psh, I can stare at that for an hour and get impressed each time |
| 23:24.33 | SaladFork | cnc - I mean "Configuration Mode" |
| 23:24.37 | cncfanatics | aah that |
| 23:24.39 | cncfanatics | yea its nifty |
| 23:24.40 | ckknight | SaladFork, ... |
| 23:24.47 | ckknight | it is nifty, but very not what we're talking about |
| 23:24.55 | cncfanatics | indeed :) |
| 23:25.01 | cncfanatics | either way ckknight |
| 23:25.06 | Sole | kergoth: link to nSideBar please :P |
| 23:25.13 | cncfanatics | I do agree its silly that fubar is mainly a minimap button replacement now |
| 23:25.24 | ckknight | and Joker fixes that issue |
| 23:25.31 | cncfanatics | heck, I even have people actualy complaining I didnt add a fubar part in fb2 and they have to type /fb gui to get the gui |
| 23:25.36 | ckknight | well, LibJokerConfig-1.0 specifically |
| 23:25.54 | SaladFork | ckknight - I really like the way CT did it |
| 23:25.56 | cncfanatics | ckknight, when do you think it'll be stable enough to start porting addons to it ? |
| 23:26.00 | SaladFork | And Khaos' method isn't too bad either |
| 23:26.18 | ckknight | SaladFork, yea, I took inspiration from Khaos |
| 23:26.24 | ckknight | but primarily Waterfall/Niagara |
| 23:26.26 | SaladFork | Take a look at the way CT did it |
| 23:26.30 | SaladFork | Beautiful, yet minimalistic |
| 23:26.39 | ckknight | cncfanatics, um, it's actually pretty "ready" now |
| 23:26.50 | SaladFork | And the little slide animation really gives it that shine that makes it impress new users |
| 23:27.01 | ckknight | cncfanatics, actually, you should wait till I've ported all my own addons |
| 23:27.01 | Sole | ckknight: anything we need to know about the basic addon structure? |
| 23:27.12 | Sole | ckknight: or is it similiar in many ways to how we do it with ace2? |
| 23:27.14 | ckknight | Sole, pretty similar to Ace2's. Libraries are different, though |
| 23:27.30 | ckknight | Sole, on the wiki page (http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Joker) |
| 23:27.33 | ckknight | I list all the changes |
| 23:27.37 | ckknight | both generally and specifically |
| 23:27.38 | Sole | ckknight: ok thanks |
| 23:27.53 | SaladFork | Ckk - seriously though, look at the way CT did it |
| 23:27.59 | SaladFork | Even that little slide really makes it shine |
| 23:28.00 | ckknight | srsly, I have |
| 23:28.03 | SaladFork | NOWAI |
| 23:28.06 | cncfanatics | ckknight, why should I wait though ? any specific reasons ? |
| 23:28.06 | ckknight | YAWAI |
| 23:28.09 | SaladFork | ORLY? |
| 23:28.24 | ckknight | cncfanatics, because by me porting my own addons, I'll likely find hidden bugs, as well as me having to port libraries in the process. |
| 23:28.32 | cncfanatics | ckknight, true |
| 23:28.33 | ckknight | SaladFork, YARLY |
| 23:28.36 | SaladFork | Hehe |
| 23:28.49 | SaladFork | Ck - you going to keep it called Joker, or will it be renamed to Ace3 upon release? |
| 23:28.53 | cncfanatics | I am likely to port my addon early though ckknight, porting it as early as possible makes less pain of porting more stuff later |
| 23:29.17 | cncfanatics | s/less pain of porting/less pain of having to port/ |
| 23:29.22 | SaladFork | Cnc - plus, the general public tends to believe Ace2 addons are "better" than non-Ace and Ace1 addons |
| 23:29.26 | ckknight | SaladFork, well, seeing as Kaelten and a few others want to make their own Ace3 project, I really don't know anymore |
| 23:29.26 | SaladFork | i assume a similar thing will happen to Ace3 |
| 23:29.34 | SaladFork | Ckk - Why not colaborate? |
| 23:29.41 | kergoth | Sole, its in wowace svn. i'll see if i've got a screenshot |
| 23:29.42 | ckknight | oh, because I'm already done. |
| 23:29.47 | SaladFork | It would be ultimately silly to make two separate library collections with the same purpose. |
| 23:29.51 | Xinhuan | ckknight - have an idea - what if all joker addons are allowed to register an icon texture, so that any joker addon may potentially have a minimap button? |
| 23:30.11 | ckknight | Xinhuan, well, the idea is that there will be one master button |
| 23:30.12 | SaladFork | Ckk - So instead of saying you're done, say you finished your part and pass it on to Kael and others to add their bits and ideas and such |
| 23:30.15 | ckknight | that you click |
| 23:30.20 | SaladFork | A WikiAce of sorts |
| 23:30.37 | cncfanatics | hmmm, do you mean there will be ANOTHER Ace3 living alongside with Joker ? |
| 23:30.38 | kergoth | Sole, http://covenant.kergoth.com/files/nsidebar-in.jpg http://covenant.kergoth.com/files/nsidebar-out.jpg |
| 23:30.42 | Xinhuan | ah so its like NurfedUI's button that brings up a list of all the Nurfed addons? |
| 23:30.44 | cncfanatics | I cannot immagine the memory waste of that |
| 23:30.48 | kergoth | Sole, see the right side of hte screen, under nquestlog |
| 23:30.49 | ckknight | SaladFork, I tried to get Kael to consider using Joker as a base, but he wouldn't have it |
| 23:30.59 | Amadeo | As busy as Kaelten is, I don't think there will ever be another finished project :P |
| 23:31.10 | kergoth | Sole, it slights out when you mouse over it |
| 23:31.10 | cncfanatics | ckknight, having another set of libs that are doing the same thing as Joker is just bad for cpu though |
| 23:31.13 | kergoth | Sole, slides, even |
| 23:31.26 | Sole | SaladFork: Im pretty sure Kael and crew have some very different core design ideas from Joker |
| 23:31.36 | SaladFork | ckknight - You have to admin the fact that even you see the creation of two separate libraries as completely ridiculous |
| 23:31.41 | SaladFork | You'd be doing nothing but splitting up the community |
| 23:31.44 | SaladFork | Both end users and developers |
| 23:31.48 | Sole | also afaik Kael + Ckk = bad |
| 23:31.57 | Xinhuan | so joker comes with its own minimap master button? |
| 23:32.09 | Sole | AceLocale-2.1 anyone? :P |
| 23:32.21 | SaladFork | ckknight - Oooooh |
| 23:32.32 | SaladFork | You should make a Fubar-like bar for config, but have it be more dock-like |
| 23:32.43 | SaladFork | You hover over to a side, and a sliding dock appears with each addon's Icon.tga or whatever |
| 23:32.49 | SaladFork | Click on it to open its config |
| 23:32.52 | Sole | kergoth: whats that quest tracker? |
| 23:32.55 | cncfanatics | SaladFork, that does NOT suit in a library core |
| 23:33.03 | SaladFork | Sole - nQuestLog |
| 23:33.07 | kergoth | Sole, thats nquestlog |
| 23:33.09 | cncfanatics | a minimap master button, yea why not, but not more |
| 23:33.13 | Sole | kergoth: I likes it |
| 23:33.20 | kergoth | SaladFork, thats what nsidebar is |
| 23:33.25 | Industrial | My email tells me my penis is too small :( |
| 23:33.30 | Xinhuan | someone could probably write a library for creating minimap buttons, has anyone done this? |
| 23:33.34 | kergoth | SaladFork, it already exists, and is used by the auctioneer addons |
| 23:33.37 | kergoth | Xinhuan, has been done, yes |
| 23:33.43 | Xinhuan | whats the lib called |
| 23:33.49 | SaladFork | Still, it would be interesting to use a similar idea for JokerConfig |
| 23:33.59 | SaladFork | Xin - FubarPlugin will make minimap buttons for you |
| 23:34.00 | kergoth | similar idea? |
| 23:34.07 | kergoth | just use nsidebar, collaboration is good |
| 23:34.24 | Amadeo | Vanilla Ice did it |
| 23:34.33 | SaladFork | I'm just suggesting it for consideration to Ckk |
| 23:34.40 | ckknight | Sole, actually that whole situation was a big misunderstanding - i.e. he made AceLocale-2.1 when I went to my brother's wedding for a week, when I came back, I properly fixed AceLocale-2.0, but 2.1 already existed |
| 23:34.51 | ckknight | in the end, 2.2 was made to settle the masses |
| 23:34.54 | ckknight | which was based on 2.0 |
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| 23:35.10 | Industrial | why didnt you just leave it at 2.1 then? |
| 23:35.18 | Industrial | *eyeroll* |
| 23:35.25 | ckknight | because it was flawed |
| 23:35.30 | Sole | hokay, I just remember you saying Kael made 2.1 just to spite you and thought you guys had a bitchfit |
| 23:35.34 | SaladFork | If it was flawed, why would Kael reject a fix? |
| 23:35.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc you there? |
| 23:35.37 | Industrial | woooo something smells |
| 23:35.46 | ckknight | SaladFork, backwards-incompatible fixes |
| 23:36.52 | ckknight | Sole, in hindsight, it would've been a lot easier had 2.1 never existed and instead of making a new version while I was away for a few days to wait and collaborate properly |
| 23:37.08 | ckknight | seeing as like everything used 2.0, everything needed to be updated |
| 23:37.10 | ckknight | was a real pain |
| 23:37.16 | kergoth | how does one modify a fubar plugin to get the 'hide plugin' option to show up? |
| 23:37.17 | Sole | yes it was |
| 23:37.38 | ckknight | kergoth, .hideWithoutStandby = true |
| 23:37.42 | kergoth | thanks |
| 23:37.49 | Corey | so either way ace2 is being replaced? |
| 23:38.08 | SaladFork | I still think it's completely ridiculous to have two separate and different replacements for Ace2 |
| 23:38.10 | SaladFork | No good can come of it |
| 23:38.11 | Sole | eventually it will be Corey |
| 23:38.26 | ckknight | SaladFork, I have a working codebase, there is no Ace3 code. |
| 23:38.41 | ckknight | so make your own judgement call |
| 23:38.43 | SaladFork | I'm just saying if you release Joker, and Kael and other srelease Ace3 |
| 23:38.43 | Corey | well thats gonna hurt |
| 23:38.44 | kergoth | SaladFork, hm? |
| 23:38.45 | SaladFork | It would be silly |
| 23:38.49 | Sole | SaladFork: I havent seen Kael and the other original admins in a long long time now...somehow I doubt theyd have the time to finish a whole new framework |
| 23:39.00 | kergoth | competition is good, especially when they meet different needs. |
| 23:39.09 | SaladFork | But do they really meet different needs? |
| 23:39.15 | Kemayo | Replaced in the sense that Joker will likely be presented as a successor. Not replaced in the sense that Ace2 will go away -- there'll be nothing stopping people from continuing to use it. |
| 23:39.24 | SaladFork | They'd be in competition for the same market, and would accomplish similar tasks |
| 23:39.25 | ckknight | right, Kemayo |
| 23:39.30 | cncfanatics | Kemayo, end users will complain, and you know it |
| 23:39.41 | cncfanatics | they already do for non-ace addons to a point its silly |
| 23:39.42 | ckknight | SaladFork, actually seeing as I plan on porting my mods within the next week, once that happens, Joker will be released, and I still doubt that Ace3 will have much code at all |
| 23:39.50 | Kemayo | Well, *yes*, but when have we ever cared about end-users? :D |
| 23:39.51 | SaladFork | Right now, if someone made an Ace1 addon, and someone else made an Ace2 addon that did the same thing, the general public would find the latter "better" |
| 23:40.05 | Silviu- | True, all will flame on forums ... "convert this addon to Ace3" ;) |
| 23:40.06 | cncfanatics | SaladFork, indeed, even if the first took less CPU & mem |
| 23:40.09 | Corey | well since most of the cool addons were made by ckk id go with whatever he makes lol |
| 23:40.09 | ckknight | SaladFork, yea, Ace2 > Ace1, no one denies that |
| 23:40.20 | ckknight | 'cept cncfanatics |
| 23:40.34 | SaladFork | I just fear that if (Ace3 || Joker) > Ace > Ace1 |
| 23:40.39 | SaladFork | It'll split the developer and the user community in two |
| 23:40.44 | ckknight | and it's basically opinions like Corey's that make me want to keep continuing |
| 23:40.49 | SaladFork | And would make having a large collection of addons even MORE inefficient |
| 23:40.51 | ckknight | SaladFork, once again, Ace3 doesn't exist |
| 23:40.56 | kergoth | SaladFork, ? |
| 23:41.00 | Sole | Ace3 doesnt exist |
| 23:41.02 | kergoth | memory usage is not efficiency. |
| 23:41.02 | SaladFork | Ckk - But if Kael and others are planning on making it... |
| 23:41.09 | kergoth | having two frameworks in your addons dir is not a problem |
| 23:41.12 | ckknight | I was given the ballpark figure of 3 months |
| 23:41.13 | Sole | Planning ~= exists |
| 23:41.20 | ckknight | Joker will be released in a few weeks, at most |
| 23:41.27 | Shadowed | CPU usage isn't efficiency either really |
| 23:41.29 | SaladFork | Ckk - the fact that Joker gets a head start doesn't change much |
| 23:41.35 | ckknight | sure it does |
| 23:41.37 | Shadowed | unless you actually know what you're doing when looking at numbers |
| 23:41.37 | SaladFork | You'd still have two competing libraries |
| 23:41.38 | ckknight | builds mindshare |
| 23:41.39 | Sole | of course it does |
| 23:41.48 | SaladFork | Even if it's labeled as a successor |
| 23:41.54 | SaladFork | You KNOW that the general public will see Joker > Ace2 |
| 23:42.01 | SaladFork | And request all Ace2 addons ot be made compatible with Joker |
| 23:42.04 | ckknight | yea |
| 23:42.06 | ckknight | eventually |
| 23:42.09 | ckknight | it'd take a while |
| 23:42.13 | kergoth | SaladFork, so what? |
| 23:42.15 | ckknight | but both can run at the same time |
| 23:42.18 | SaladFork | Then if/when Ace3 is released by Kael and others, the whole situation just gets compounded |
| 23:42.21 | ckknight | and I actually wrote an AceLibrary patch |
| 23:42.24 | kergoth | devs that want to move to joker will, those that dont want to wont, regardless of the users |
| 23:42.26 | ckknight | so that the libraries can interoperate |
| 23:42.27 | SaladFork | Forcing users and developers to pick between Joker and Ace3 |
| 23:42.31 | SaladFork | And no good can come of it |
| 23:42.36 | kergoth | if hte users dont want to use an addon i wrote because its ace2, they can go fuck themselves. |
| 23:42.41 | kergoth | same for any other framework |
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| 23:42.43 | Corey | if/when they do everybody will be enjoying ckk's addons already so no problems ;d |
| 23:42.44 | Kemayo | It would be nice if we got away from having "- Ace2" or "- Joker" in the addon names. Might move it out of the end-user mindspace. |
| 23:42.49 | ckknight | that's like saying devs are forced to pick between Cosmos and Ace |
| 23:42.51 | ckknight | or CT |
| 23:42.54 | kergoth | Kemayo, agreed |
| 23:42.55 | ckknight | or whatever |
| 23:43.05 | SaladFork | Ck - And that's been true for a while |
| 23:43.07 | ckknight | Kemayo, I don't plan on having -Joker- stuff in TOCs |
| 23:43.11 | SaladFork | But Ace emerged the victor as more developers picked it |
| 23:43.15 | kergoth | devs have ALWAYS been able to choose waht framework, if any, to use |
| 23:43.16 | Kemayo | ckknight: Cool. |
| 23:43.23 | kergoth | SaladFork, that's complete nonsense. |
| 23:43.25 | ckknight | kergoth's right |
| 23:43.28 | SaladFork | And now most users think Ace > (CT || Cosmos) |
| 23:43.34 | ckknight | not all do |
| 23:43.41 | SaladFork | True |
| 23:43.53 | Sole | I do |
| 23:43.57 | SaladFork | But I still think dividing the Ace community now between Joker and a future Ace3 can't have any good consequences |
| 23:43.57 | ckknight | yea, me too |
| 23:44.08 | Nargiddley | SaladFork, people deciding some framework "won" is a perfect example of the problem |
| 23:44.16 | cncfanatics | Kemayo, I never ever put -Ace2- in one of my addons's, silly practice imo |
| 23:44.19 | SaladFork | Nargid - That's just the mindset, we can't change that |
| 23:44.27 | Shadowed | You're comparing two different things |
| 23:44.32 | SaladFork | You see it yourself every day when people say Ace2 addons are better than non-Ace2 addons |
| 23:44.34 | ckknight | well, SaladFork, I offered to allow Joker to be the base of Ace3, and Kael refused |
| 23:44.36 | ckknight | so *shrug* |
| 23:44.40 | Shadowed | You can't compare a library to a group of mods |
| 23:44.41 | SaladFork | Ckk - I know |
| 23:44.43 | Xinhuan | uh people will still want to know what framework is used in an addon, so that they can potentially not run multiple frameworks |
| 23:44.48 | kergoth | i dont see why you can possibly think that competition is bad. |
| 23:44.49 | SaladFork | And what troubles me most is I can't come up with a solution |
| 23:44.53 | kergoth | all it does is encourages improvement' |
| 23:44.57 | kergoth | look at ktm and omen |
| 23:45.01 | Nargiddley | SaladFork, you dont plan things around a flawed mindset tho |
| 23:45.12 | SaladFork | Kergoth - Isn't the idea behind Ace to have a bunch of addons share libraries for ease of developers and end-user efficiency? |
| 23:45.12 | Sole | kergoth: Im looking and I see a piece of crap and a good addon |
| 23:45.14 | ckknight | kergoth, one thing that I'm gonna request is that we have compatible licenses, really |
| 23:45.20 | ckknight | so that we can share code if wanted |
| 23:45.30 | SaladFork | Kergoth - Go look at the forums |
| 23:45.34 | SaladFork | There's already a mindset of Omen > KTM |
| 23:45.38 | kergoth | SaladFork, no. |
| 23:45.39 | SaladFork | Purely on the fact that Omen is Ace2, if you ask me |
| 23:45.48 | cncfanatics | worst thing is |
| 23:45.52 | cncfanatics | put this in front of an addon: |
| 23:45.53 | Nargiddley | SaladFork, Mod vs mod isnt the problem |
| 23:45.53 | Kemayo | SaladFork: We might hope that LibStub will help with that, on the libraries front. |
| 23:46.07 | kergoth | ckknight, that's a good idea |
| 23:46.16 | cncfanatics | AddonName = AceLibrary("AceAddon-2.0"); -- Poof, MAGIC, your addon is ace2 now, your users are happy !!! |
| 23:46.22 | Shadowed | LibStub is just so you don't need to run 50 stubs in order to share libraries (afaik) |
| 23:46.25 | ckknight | kergoth, mine are all LGPL, but it can change if need be, seeing as I'm the sole copyright owner |
| 23:46.26 | SaladFork | Cnc - Not even |
| 23:46.36 | SaladFork | if users see your addon on the WowAce svn (files.wowace.com), that's good enough for them |
| 23:46.39 | SaladFork | They don't actualyl care about the code |
| 23:46.40 | kergoth | Sole, but omen has encouraged, at least to a certain extent, better features in ktm. ktm's dev is a jackass, so it wont get much better than that, but its still a good thing for the community at large |
| 23:46.58 | cncfanatics | SaladFork, true enough, its getting silly even |
| 23:47.06 | SaladFork | It IS silly |
| 23:47.12 | ckknight | another good example, kergoth: SCT and Parrot. Parrot added icons, SCT added icons. Everyone wins |
| 23:47.25 | ckknight | except MSBT |
| 23:47.25 | kergoth | SaladFork: you seem to have this mistaken assumption that everyone thinks the size of their addon's userbase is somehow of critical importance |
| 23:47.26 | Kemayo | I must admit that I see Omen as better almost entirely because Antiarc seems to be much less of a asshole than KTM-guy. |
| 23:47.29 | kergoth | ckknight, indeed |
| 23:47.34 | kergoth | msbt probably would too, but mikord seems MIA |
| 23:47.45 | ckknight | yea |
| 23:47.48 | Silviu- | ckknight one end-user question, for future, let`s say we have 2 addons that use one lib .. TestLib for example ... addon 1 will use Joker framework and addon 2 will use Ace2, and Testlib will be updated to Joker framework ... this won`t cause any incopatibilities ? |
| 23:47.54 | SaladFork | Kergoth - If an addon has a tiny userbase and no following, it doesn't matter how good or efficient it is |
| 23:48.10 | kergoth | of course it does, as its a good solution for the dev that wrote it. |
| 23:48.22 | SaladFork | I agree completely |
| 23:48.23 | ckknight | Silviu-, fun thing to try with my AceLibrary branch: AceLibrary:GetInstance("LibJoker-1.0"):GetLibrary("AceLibrary") == AceLibrary |
| 23:48.41 | ckknight | they both use LibStub |
| 23:48.44 | kergoth | if people dont want to use something i wrote, i couldnt care less. so splitting the community is a nonissue. if users want to stop supporting due to a lib difference, they werent users i care about having anyway |
| 23:48.44 | ckknight | so libraries are shared |
| 23:49.09 | Silviu- | ckknight oky, was just an thing i thought now ;) |
| 23:49.15 | SaladFork | Hmm |
| 23:49.17 | SaladFork | Bottom line is |
| 23:49.29 | ckknight | Silviu-, I'm actually going to move some libs away from AceLibrary/Ace altogether |
| 23:49.30 | ckknight | e.g. Babble |
| 23:49.35 | ckknight | Babble will be standalone |
| 23:49.40 | SaladFork | I really think if libraries/addons could have some inter-compatibility between Ace3/Joker (even for a tiny bit of extra work from the developer), it would be best |
| 23:49.45 | Corey | lets just be real, ckknight makes the cool addons and hes to be followed by most either way :D |
| 23:49.48 | ckknight | they will, SaladFork |
| 23:49.55 | SaladFork | I mean 100% |
| 23:49.58 | Nargiddley | SaladFork, thats what LibStub is for |
| 23:50.00 | SaladFork | Like I can download an addon and Joker, and have it worked |
| 23:50.01 | ckknight | Corey, I do like my influence on mindshare |
| 23:50.06 | kergoth | SaladFork, there will be lots of libraries independent of frameworks and used by numerous addons and frameworks |
| 23:50.06 | SaladFork | And my brother can get the same addon and ace3 |
| 23:50.09 | SaladFork | And we both get the same functionality |
| 23:50.10 | kergoth | that's idiotic |
| 23:50.15 | kergoth | the libs are embedded. |
| 23:50.24 | Nargiddley | SaladFork, thats completely missing the point of the whole thing |
| 23:50.25 | Silviu- | As i look in a lot of libs they still have Ace2 dependencies |
| 23:50.26 | ckknight | SaladFork, since libs are embedded, it won't matter |
| 23:50.35 | kergoth | you're just making things more difficult, increasing complexity for no reason.. |
| 23:50.37 | ckknight | Silviu-, you're right. |
| 23:50.57 | Xinhuan | i can see the future of addons - i'll be running 200 addons just like how i'm running 200 addons now, but because all the addons use different frameworks, i'll have about 6 frameworks loaded in memory |
| 23:51.14 | Silviu- | 6 won`t be ... |
| 23:51.15 | Sole | what was that nifty config feature in Parrot? I wanna check it out |
| 23:51.16 | kergoth | Xinhuan, which isnt a problem. |
| 23:51.25 | Xinhuan | it isn't, but its just a "waste" |
| 23:51.29 | kergoth | no, it isnt |
| 23:51.30 | Silviu- | Ace2 now .. Dongle ... and Joker ... |
| 23:51.31 | SaladFork | Xin - Then it's your job to port over addons from 5 other frameworks to the last one, ;) |
| 23:51.36 | kergoth | it met the needs of the developers, thats all. |
| 23:51.39 | Silviu- | Maybe in future Ace3 |
| 23:51.41 | Silviu- | So 4 |
| 23:51.41 | ckknight | Xinhuan, not a huge problem, and especially lessened seeing as Joker is much lighter memory/cpu-wise |
| 23:51.41 | Silviu- | :D |
| 23:51.41 | SaladFork | Sole - enable Configuration Mode |
| 23:51.53 | SaladFork | Ckk - But what if Ace3 isn't? |
| 23:51.56 | ckknight | *shrug* |
| 23:51.57 | Shadowed | SAy it with me |
| 23:52.01 | Shadowed | MEMORY DOES NOT MATTER 99.99% OF THE TIME |
| 23:52.04 | cncfanatics | g'night people |
| 23:52.07 | ckknight | then that's Ace3's fault, not Joker's |
| 23:52.12 | SaladFork | Shadowed - It does when you have 300 addons and a little bit more from each adds up |
| 23:52.13 | ckknight | and likewise if it's the other way around. |
| 23:52.15 | cncfanatics | Shadowed, agree, cpu is for fps though |
| 23:52.16 | Sole | SaladFork: ooh nifty |
| 23:52.18 | Shadowed | SaladFork actually no it doesn't |
| 23:52.21 | Xinhuan | lets say there are 6 frameworks and each framework has its own "libstub" (yes i know you and kael will be sharing libstub) type library |
| 23:52.22 | kergoth | SaladFork, no, it doesnt. |
| 23:52.24 | Silowyi | does anyone here do Solarian without AR tanks? |
| 23:52.24 | Xinhuan | then that's code duplication |
| 23:52.24 | Sole | cncfanatics: night |
| 23:52.26 | cncfanatics | SaladFork, your memory won't get full from it will it ? |
| 23:52.33 | kergoth | static memory usage will not affect your game performance unless you're on the boundary of swapping |
| 23:52.33 | SaladFork | Cnc - infinite loop of creating tables! |
| 23:52.34 | SaladFork | woohoo |
| 23:52.35 | cncfanatics | nn peeps, will watch the log of this convo tomorrow |
| 23:52.37 | kergoth | and even then its little |
| 23:52.38 | ckknight | Xinhuan, actually all the frameworks will use LibStub |
| 23:52.46 | ckknight | Xinhuan, I know for a fact that Ace2, Joker, and Dongle will |
| 23:52.49 | *** part/#wowace cncfanatics (i=evolve@134.148-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 23:52.50 | kergoth | SaladFork, we're talking about memory usage, not memory leaks. |
| 23:52.51 | ckknight | and Ace3 will if it gets written |
| 23:53.01 | ckknight | mem leaks are bad |
| 23:53.03 | Xinhuan | hmm that's good i guess |
| 23:53.11 | ckknight | and I've put provisions into Joker to prevent them |
| 23:53.22 | ckknight | in the recycling section, you can debug recycling namespaces to see if there's leaks |
| 23:53.25 | SaladFork | As long as developers get to pick whatever framework they want, and not have it greatly impact the end-user too much, I'm good with it |
| 23:53.29 | Shadowed | Even if you're TRYING to max out your memory usage by installing more addons, you're going to have a hard time going above 200 MB and the only way you'll run out of memory is if you have a computer that can barely play WoW |
| 23:53.35 | ckknight | it shouldn't, SaladFork |
| 23:53.45 | SaladFork | So why the hell am I worried |
| 23:53.51 | SaladFork | Anywho |
| 23:53.52 | ckknight | I don't know |
| 23:54.02 | SaladFork | Ckk - looking forward to seeing your solution to a unified configuration |
| 23:54.14 | Xinhuan | what would be the main difference between ace3 (if its written) and joker? |
| 23:54.21 | ckknight | Xinhuan, different config maybe |
| 23:54.29 | ckknight | from the end user's perspective |
| 23:54.50 | SaladFork | Ckk - Knowing you, you would make Joker work for configuring Ace3 addons as well |
| 23:54.50 | SaladFork | =P |
| 23:54.56 | Xinhuan | from a dev's view, how would it be different |
| 23:54.58 | Silviu- | hmm i just read now that Joker won`t become Ace3 ;) , so Kaelten decided he want to write Ace3 and not colaborate with u ckk ? |
| 23:55.09 | ckknight | right, Silviu- |
| 23:55.20 | ckknight | he decided to not use Joker because it didn't have enough community involvement |
| 23:55.20 | Silviu- | Oh |
| 23:55.33 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowwiki.com/TOC_format#Commonly_Recognized_X-.3Cdata.3E_Tags |
| 23:55.36 | Silviu- | yeah ... 100% your code ;) |
| 23:55.40 | SaladFork | Ckk - how much community involvement does his Ace3 have? |
| 23:55.53 | kergoth | SaladFork, considering it doesnt exist yet, i doubt it has any yet. |
| 23:55.56 | Silviu- | Well Dongle is clad`s or ? |
| 23:56.05 | SaladFork | Though seriously, Ckk not only has established a guideline for addons overall with his large release of addons, but you've certainly been MORE than open to community involvement |
| 23:56.08 | Silviu- | Not much "comunity" involved eighter |
| 23:56.08 | SaladFork | Nobody's stepped up though |
| 23:56.12 | Silviu- | Or maybe Tekkub |
| 23:56.40 | ckknight | basically, I see the difference of Ace3 vs. Joker as like C++ vs. C#. C++ was created by committee, it has all sorts of crazy non-intuitive stuff and stuff that isn't internally consistent. C# has a chief architect who guides the language evolution from start to finish, and overall it's nicer feature-wise and syntax-wise. |
| 23:57.44 | SaladFork | Ckk - I still think you should talk to Kael more before just giving up on the idea of a collaboration. You seem to be very open to the idea of a comunity effort, it's just that nobody's stepped up |
| 23:57.52 | ckknight | I did, we had a huge discussion |
| 23:58.00 | SaladFork | And he just decided he didn't want to use Joker? |
| 23:58.07 | ckknight | I suggested to him that he use Joker as a base, he wouldn't have it |
| 23:58.14 | SaladFork | Did he actually have a good reason? |
| 23:58.26 | ckknight | I even suggested love-orgies, and he wouldn't have that either |
| 23:58.29 | SaladFork | I mean, low community involvement is just silly when I doubt Ace3 (should it be made) would have any |
| 23:58.37 | ckknight | SaladFork, not enough community involvement was the reason |
| 23:58.42 | SaladFork | Did you offer him hawt gai yaoi mansecks? |
| 23:58.52 | ckknight | he didn't want people's feelings to get hurt because they didn't get to voice their input |
| 23:59.00 | Xinhuan | what exactly is meant by "not enough community involvment" though? |
| 23:59.02 | ckknight | despite the fact that I've been asking for advice et al |
| 23:59.11 | SaladFork | Ckk - So post a big "PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR INPUT/IDEAS TO CKKNIGHT!" |
| 23:59.17 | SaladFork | I mean, there's not much else you CAN do |
| 23:59.18 | ckknight | it's on the wiki, SaladFork |
| 23:59.20 | SaladFork | You've been more than open |
| 23:59.28 | SaladFork | Yeah, but only for those who know about Joker |
| 23:59.29 | ckknight | under "I'm a developer, how can I become involved?" |
| 23:59.31 | SaladFork | You got to get some big front page thing |
| 23:59.57 | SaladFork | And Kael saw your "how to get involved" and openness to take input and still didn't do anythign? |
| 23:59.58 | SaladFork | /sigh |
