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| 00:03.46 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07LibStub * r47582 10AceLibrary/AceLibrary.lua: |
| 00:03.46 | CIA-14 | AceLibrary (LibStub branch) - remove a hack. If upgrading a library from a non-LibStub AceLibrary, then it will never register with LibStub. Only if registering a new library will it properly register with LibStub. |
| 00:03.46 | CIA-14 | - also fix a bug with externals not being run for non-LibStub libraries. |
| 00:05.51 | Neebler | omgomgomgomg eepanels2 |
| 00:06.53 | Neebler | now if only Avion would come out |
| 00:09.24 | Funkeh` | Avion? |
| 00:09.36 | Funkeh` | Is that the flashy lights on events? |
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| 00:10.46 | Neebler | yes. and it has been put on hold, because the authors father who he lives with broke his leg. They live on a farm |
| 00:15.47 | Funkeh` | Lol |
| 00:15.55 | Funkeh` | Thats quite a story I didn't really need to know. |
| 00:16.00 | Gnarfoz | heh, 10 pallys vs. karazhan ftw |
| 00:16.50 | ckknight | hehe |
| 00:16.52 | ckknight | what specs? |
| 00:17.28 | Gnarfoz | dunno, at least two prot, some holy, the rest would be ret, I guess ;D |
| 00:17.57 | [dRaCo] | fun as long as you got undead enemies :> |
| 00:17.58 | Gnarfoz | http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=45513 |
| 00:18.02 | Gnarfoz | and demons, too :> |
| 00:19.26 | [dRaCo] | those ethereum guys are annoying... even our pala tanks does a lot less threat on them ^^ |
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| 00:22.55 | Gnarfoz | tank em with rogues, we can remove that nasty debuff ;D (can't that be dispelled normally, anyway?) |
| 00:23.49 | ulic | 6h maintenance on US Realms this week, is that the normal time for the non-reboot weeks? |
| 00:25.42 | ckknight | no |
| 00:26.31 | CIA-14 | 03kemayo * r47583 10AuldLangSyne/GuildList/GuildList.lua: |
| 00:26.35 | CIA-14 | AuldLangSyne: |
| 00:26.37 | CIA-14 | -GuildList: Fix a few spots where I was trying to call the wrong function. |
| 00:27.46 | ulic | anyone know the most recent patch on PTR, my client is downloading 2.0.7153, not sure if that is new or old. |
| 00:30.53 | art3mis | woah she's a brick |
| 00:30.56 | art3mis | hauuuuuussss |
| 00:32.26 | CIA-14 | 03pb_ee1 * r47584 10ChatLog/ (6 files): ChatLog: Adding combat log (even if it does not save anything atm). |
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| 00:35.21 | ulic | kaiden: you can do custom border textures in eePanels2, you have to enable Advanced mode. |
| 00:36.14 | NeoTron | ulic: where do you see the 6h main? |
| 00:36.25 | NeoTron | maint |
| 00:36.25 | ulic | when I log into the game |
| 00:36.29 | ulic | 5am to 11am |
| 00:36.42 | ulic | in there little message window thingy |
| 00:36.56 | ulic | *their |
| 00:37.07 | ulic | english is a lame language :) |
| 00:37.09 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 00:37.52 | NeoTron | patch day? |
| 00:38.15 | ulic | I doubt it, because I logged out, then when I went back the launcher downloaded a patch for the PTR |
| 00:38.36 | ulic | that's why I asked what the latest know PTR version was. |
| 00:39.10 | NeoTron | ah |
| 00:42.05 | sb | patch tomorrow!?!?!?! :p |
| 00:42.32 | ulic | sorry to get everyones hopes up, but no I don't think so, but who am i? :P |
| 00:45.43 | Funkeh` | later |
| 00:46.02 | Mecdemort_ | oh man i hope so, i cant stand doing hyjal another week without trash drops |
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| 00:52.13 | NeoTron | I just want solarian to change so I can spec out from my retarded spec again |
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| 00:55.36 | sb | hm |
| 00:55.42 | sb | NeoTron: what? :p |
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| 00:57.59 | sb | mh nvm, goodnight ;p |
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| 01:05.41 | CIA-14 | 03ktrigger * r47585 10/branches/Numen-Sorata/ (. Numen.lua NumenPopButtons.lua): |
| 01:05.41 | CIA-14 | Numen: |
| 01:05.41 | CIA-14 | - Sorata's branch. |
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| 01:09.54 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47586 10Joker/LibJokerConfig-1.0/LibJokerConfig-1.0.lua: |
| 01:09.54 | CIA-14 | LibJokerConfig-1.0 - for the dropdown pullout buttons, show a tooltip. |
| 01:09.54 | CIA-14 | - add support for choiceDescs (like validateDesc in AceOptions). |
| 01:10.27 | Arrowmaster | we broke al'ar |
| 01:10.27 | BankZ | Is Sanitybags any good? |
| 01:10.27 | Arrowmaster | hes not attacking the tank in phase1 and not moving platforms |
| 01:10.31 | Arrowmaster | and now its stuck at 0 health |
| 01:10.43 | Arrowmaster | siphon life and drain life are healing for 0 |
| 01:11.55 | Ra1d3n | maybe its just lag ;P |
| 01:12.10 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 01:12.11 | Ra1d3n | joking |
| 01:15.17 | Arrowmaster | just had to zone out and reset him |
| 01:16.55 | Arrowmaster | this is the week of bugs |
| 01:17.43 | Arrowmaster | we killed mag twice this week because we killed him while he was casting and the door didnt open or raidlock us |
| 01:18.04 | Gnarfoz | but you got loot? |
| 01:18.09 | Tinyboom | Silviu-: any chance of letting me know where u got that "Bloody" font? ;) |
| 01:18.15 | Arrowmaster | yeah got loot |
| 01:18.22 | Gnarfoz | nice |
| 01:18.50 | NeoTron | :se noai |
| 01:18.50 | NeoTron | a:se ai |
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| 01:32.45 | Chompers | hmm, i'm not sure if the warrior talent 'blood frenzy' is worth taking |
| 01:32.51 | Chompers | does anyone have any opinions of it? |
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| 01:48.08 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47587 10Joker/LibJoker-1.0/LibJoker-1.0.lua: LibJoker-1.0 - add a check to :GetLibraryVersion() to make sure self isn't a bad value. |
| 01:48.43 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47588 10Joker/LibJokerConfig-1.0/LibJokerConfig-1.0.lua: |
| 01:48.43 | CIA-14 | LibJokerConfig-1.0 - move the edit box for the slider to the right instead of underneath. This should make things a bit easier as far as being able to click on it properly. |
| 01:48.43 | CIA-14 | - also fix a bug with dropdown tooltips. |
| 01:49.07 | kb1ibt | Wobin: ping |
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| 01:56.22 | ckknight_ | lol |
| 01:56.34 | ckknight | X-Files: We're up against 64-bit encryption |
| 01:56.36 | ckknight | lulz |
| 01:57.13 | ckknight | now around 4096-bit encryption is relatively well used |
| 01:57.20 | ckknight | depending |
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| 01:59.26 | SaladFork | woah |
| 01:59.31 | SaladFork | You can dispell a shammy's Ghost Wolf |
| 01:59.32 | SaladFork | o_OP |
| 01:59.36 | SaladFork | -P |
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| 02:05.24 | ckknight | lol, this episode is so funny |
| 02:05.35 | ckknight | "concatenation of viruses" |
| 02:06.59 | ckknight | the writers have no idea how computers or the internet works |
| 02:07.56 | Thorgard | ckknight, the Interweb isn't that complex, it's just a series of tubes, for god's sake. |
| 02:07.58 | ckknight | ooh, T3 |
| 02:08.02 | ckknight | 45 Megs a second |
| 02:08.30 | kergoth | a whole t3, zomg |
| 02:08.44 | ckknight | I know, the AI uses the T3 to wreak its destruction |
| 02:09.00 | ckknight | but only the largest service providers have something like that |
| 02:09.08 | ckknight | hehe |
| 02:09.17 | ckknight | this is 1998, it seems |
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| 02:10.35 | ckknight | and clearly this great hacker is female |
| 02:11.32 | ckknight | and has a horrible taste in eye makeup |
| 02:13.07 | CIA-14 | 03ricowan * r47589 10FuBar_RicoXPFu/ (FuBar_RicoXPFu.toc RicoXPFu.lua): FuBar_RicoXPFu: - Fixed the math associated with the xp bar, changed the height of the bar. |
| 02:13.58 | ckknight | and clearly an internet-based AI distributed virus system would have a "home base" |
| 02:14.08 | ckknight | which is totally counterintuitive to the whole distributed thing |
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| 02:42.52 | nogudnik | Hey nymbia, got a quick question about your Stitch library (which rocks BTW). I'd like to experiment with extending it to allow checking for reagents on all alts, not just the current character. Would you be interested in re-integrating that kind of a fix, or would you rather I just kept it in my own mod? |
| 02:43.50 | nymbia | nogudnik: hrm.. that could probably fit into the main lib |
| 02:45.27 | nogudnik | Cool. I was thinking of extending the API to allow users to plug in a "GetAltItemCount()" function and them pretty much any inventory mod could be hooked up. I'll hack on the code a bit and post a diff in the official thread once it looks decent enough. |
| 02:49.42 | nymbia | ok, cool |
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| 03:07.19 | CIA-14 | 03ktrigger * r47590 10/branches/Numen-Sorata/Numen.lua: |
| 03:07.19 | CIA-14 | Numen: |
| 03:07.19 | CIA-14 | - Added sets. |
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| 03:16.27 | CIA-14 | 03syntherift * r47591 10/branches/Numen-Sorata/Numen.lua: |
| 03:16.27 | CIA-14 | Numen: |
| 03:16.27 | CIA-14 | - fixed selectedSpell error |
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| 03:29.58 | CIA-14 | 03chuanhsing * r47592 10Proximo/ (Proximo.toc localization-zhTW.lua): Proximo: add zhTW locale |
| 03:33.23 | kebinusan | ping Cryect |
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| 03:36.50 | kebinusan | Cryect: Any chance of getting Dark pact to show up on the mana gains page? Right now it just shows life tap for warlocks. The combat log message is "Your Dark Pact drains 1831 Mana from Kuk'resh." followed by a "You gain 1831 mana." |
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| 03:40.23 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47593 10Joker/LibJokerConfig-1.0/LibJokerConfig-1.0.lua: LibJokerConfig-1.0 - renaming of internal functions for consistency's sake. |
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| 03:49.58 | NightHawkTheSane | I think ggilbert is having issues. |
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| 03:57.40 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47594 10Joker/LibJokerConfig-1.0/LibJokerConfig-1.0.lua: LibJokerConfig-1.0 - add icon and iconSize support. |
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| 04:21.48 | ckknight | I'm not 100% sure that iconSize is even necessary... |
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| 04:23.02 | ckknight | hrm |
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| 04:27.46 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47595 10Joker/LibJokerConfig-1.0/LibJokerConfig-1.0.lua: LibJokerConfig-1.0 - add choiceIcons, allowing you to specify per-choice icons that'll show in the dropdown next to each choice. |
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| 04:29.32 | ckknight | ggilbert: connection issues? |
| 04:33.05 | ckknight | people seem quiet |
| 04:33.14 | NightHawkTheSane | I'll quiet YOU |
| 04:33.58 | ckknight | ur mom |
| 04:47.05 | Mecdemort_ | how might i turn "Addon.db.realm" into _G["Addon"]["db"]["realm"], generically of course |
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| 04:48.28 | Cyre2 | Well, first you need a roll of duct tape, a possum, and a gallon of cottage cheese. |
| 04:50.43 | Mecdemort_ | i suppose i could do: t = loadstring("return "..str)() |
| 04:50.47 | Mecdemort_ | but that seems iffy |
| 04:51.40 | Wobwor1 | Cyre2: You'll also need a bucket with a hole in it |
| 04:51.49 | Wobwor1 | And a rabid weasel |
| 04:51.49 | NightHawkTheSane | and a swiss army knife, and some gum |
| 04:51.49 | Cyre2 | ^^ |
| 04:52.46 | ckknight | Mecdemort_: why do you need to? |
| 04:53.13 | Wobwor1 | NightHawkTheSane: Only if you're making a bomb! |
| 04:53.19 | Mecdemort_ | for my TableInspector, currently it only loads global tables from the /command |
| 04:53.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: .. but.. why WOULDN'T you want to make a bomb? |
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| 04:53.49 | CIA-14 | 03mecdemort * r47596 10TableInspector/Core.lua: TableInspector: - Keys are now sorted alphabetically. |
| 04:54.24 | Wobwor1 | NightHawkTheSane: good point |
| 04:55.01 | ckknight | Mecdemort_: yea, do the loadstring hack |
| 04:55.18 | Mecdemort_ | don't know of any better way? i've only heard bad things of loadstring |
| 04:56.56 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47597 10Joker/LibJokerConfig-1.0/LibJokerConfig-1.0.lua: LibJokerConfig-1.0 - add choiceFonts, which is very useful to have for a list of fonts, and coincidentally works with LibSharedMedia:HashTable('font'). |
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| 04:57.53 | ckknight | Mecdemort_: nah, if you do it with a return at the front, it alleviates a lot of issues. Also, if it's only client-based (and not network-based), you're at no real risk |
| 04:58.33 | hurricane567 | can anybody answer a question (or 2) for me about warcraft's armory? |
| 04:58.42 | Mecdemort_ | ckknight: ya it's just so i can do /ti Addon.db.realm instead of browsing from the root of Addon, or calling the function by hand |
| 04:58.53 | ckknight | yea, do the loadstring thing. |
| 04:58.57 | Mecdemort_ | ok thanks |
| 04:59.10 | ckknight | ~asktoask |
| 04:59.10 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 04:59.13 | ckknight | hurricane567: ^--- |
| 04:59.28 | NightHawkTheSane | well, maybe not glad. |
| 04:59.37 | NightHawkTheSane | and we might insult you along the way |
| 05:00.01 | hurricane567 | ok 1)is there a website that allows one to look in their caracter's bag(s)? i remember seeing one once and i forgot to bookmark it :( |
| 05:00.27 | hurricane567 | i'm no stranger to insults lol |
| 05:00.28 | ckknight | not armory, perhaps another profile site |
| 05:00.29 | Wobwor1 | hurricane567: Not through the armour |
| 05:00.31 | Wobwor1 | y |
| 05:00.33 | Mecdemort_ | hurricane567: only if they run a client for such things |
| 05:00.45 | Wobwor1 | You may have seen raidbank inventories |
| 05:00.53 | Wobwor1 | I know our raiding group had one like that |
| 05:01.05 | ulic | wowcompanion.net but it hasn't been updated in a while :( |
| 05:01.10 | hurricane567 | yeah, it wasn't the official wow armory, it had some armory like stuff + peek in the bag |
| 05:01.51 | Wobwor1 | I dunno if I'd want that level of privacy invasion =P |
| 05:02.20 | hurricane567 | wowcompanion.net is a bust, i clicked "launch client" and i got a 404 |
| 05:02.22 | Wobwor1 | The armoury is bad enough for "Hm, I wonder how good this pug is..." |
| 05:02.41 | hurricane567 | "steamy romance novel"=funny as hell, i wish i could find on |
| 05:02.57 | Wobwor1 | pickpocket more =) |
| 05:03.37 | Wobwor1 | My novel! |
| 05:03.38 | Wobwor1 | oi! |
| 05:04.00 | ckknight | lol |
| 05:04.09 | ckknight | I totally thought it was just a joke |
| 05:04.10 | ckknight | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29571 |
| 05:04.17 | ckknight | I was mistaken |
| 05:04.25 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: the text is hilarius. |
| 05:04.28 | NightHawkTheSane | hilarious |
| 05:04.29 | NightHawkTheSane | even |
| 05:04.30 | ckknight | yes |
| 05:04.30 | Wobwor1 | It's great =) |
| 05:05.36 | hurricane567 | question 2, and it may not be related to armory, sorta...lets say i have Big Honking Axe and Huge Freaking Sword is a quest reward i might get, is there any way to see what my character sheet/stats would look like b4 and after switching weapons? |
| 05:06.31 | Arrowmaster | get ratingbuster and it will add a little stat summery at the bottem of the tooltip |
| 05:06.33 | hurricane567 | without actually doing the quest and acquiring the weapon |
| 05:07.01 | Arrowmaster | the summery will tell you the stat differences between the item and what you currently have equiped |
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| 05:08.10 | hurricane567 | not the differences between what i have now and the new stuff, like what my character sheet looks like with Big Honking Axe equipped and what it looks like with Huge Freaking Sword equipped |
| 05:08.24 | hurricane567 | [makes note of rating buster] |
| 05:08.49 | NightHawkTheSane | uh, ctrl click? |
| 05:09.12 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, character sheet |
| 05:09.23 | NightHawkTheSane | no, the best you can do is something like ratingbuster |
| 05:09.42 | TNSe | *randomly agrees* |
| 05:11.27 | hurricane567 | [eyes bug out at ratingbuster] WOW thats a lot of info |
| 05:11.50 | *** join/#wowace Azure (i=Azurewra@i577BCE36.versanet.de) |
| 05:11.57 | NightHawkTheSane | you can customize what it shows |
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| 05:12.34 | Mecdemort_ | ckknight: How would i keep it from throwing an error from loadstring("return a.b.c.d")() if it doesnt exist? |
| 05:12.44 | ckknight | ah |
| 05:13.05 | ckknight | local func = loadstring("return a.b.c.d") |
| 05:13.06 | hurricane567 | that's about what i was looking for, i just thought there was maybe a web-based thing i coul duse |
| 05:13.08 | ckknight | assert(func) |
| 05:13.16 | ckknight | local success, ret = pcall(func) |
| 05:13.26 | ckknight | then you can check if success is true |
| 05:13.33 | ckknight | if it is, ret will be the value you want |
| 05:13.34 | hurricane567 | anyone crashed a server with the 'join arena team" bug? lol |
| 05:13.48 | Mecdemort_ | ok |
| 05:13.49 | hurricane567 | or is that a bunch of bunk? |
| 05:16.33 | hurricane567 | [doing a couple of things in the background] anyone here play on Mannoroth? |
| 05:18.09 | hurricane567 | well, thanks for the help, i am off to try rating buster, look up Polecat (alliance, US Mannoroth) if you wanna chat, c ya |
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| 05:23.58 | kaiden | ckknight, how much would it cost me to convince you to add a small feature to cowtip, under the Show Tooltips section i would love to see a modifier key setting under each one of those to where if you aren't holding the modifier key it wont show them |
| 05:24.01 | kaiden | :) |
| 05:24.03 | TNSe | if we wanna chat we chat here >_< |
| 05:24.08 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.17 | ckknight | slightly complex |
| 05:24.32 | kaiden | ckknight, i'm an i hate tooltips unless i want to see them kinda guy |
| 05:25.00 | TNSe | ditto :( |
| 05:25.06 | TNSe | I have tooltips forced at top of screen |
| 05:25.19 | TNSe | and not a single addon is allowed to add anything unless I press a kay >_< |
| 05:25.24 | TNSe | s/kay/key |
| 05:25.26 | kaiden | well i'm thinking of something that can effect tooltips all the way down to the hovering over an item in the bag kinda thing |
| 05:25.32 | CIA-14 | 03phanx * r47598 10OnScreenHealth/ (OnScreenHealth.lua OnScreenHealth.toc): |
| 05:25.32 | CIA-14 | OnScreenHealth: |
| 05:25.32 | CIA-14 | - Added global option to hide power display |
| 05:25.32 | CIA-14 | - Added optional indicator for player combat status (thanks rdji for idea) |
| 05:25.32 | CIA-14 | - Fixed font face not saving between sessions |
| 05:25.49 | ckknight | kaiden: hrm... |
| 05:26.08 | ckknight | watching the Kill Point season finale |
| 05:26.45 | kaiden | ckknight, ah :) cool.. well.. there's a free month of wow in it if you can add that unless that's not enough? :P |
| 05:26.46 | *** mode/#wowace [+v WobWork] by ChanServ |
| 05:26.56 | ckknight | hrm |
| 05:27.05 | ckknight | well, I'm gonna finish watching this episode |
| 05:27.11 | ckknight | then perhaps I'll add it |
| 05:27.18 | ckknight | it's a good feature. |
| 05:27.29 | kaiden | indeed it is :) |
| 05:28.42 | Mounick | my ui http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/9016/killmoreci9.jpg |
| 05:29.39 | kaiden | uhm... |
| 05:29.41 | kaiden | ick |
| 05:30.48 | TNSe | O_o |
| 05:31.06 | TNSe | only 18.9k hp >_< |
| 05:32.40 | TNSe | hmm |
| 05:32.52 | TNSe | have they managed to make a SCT that shows summaries of gains yet? :P |
| 05:33.15 | TNSe | like shows how much mana you regained last 5 seconds nistead of 50x4 spam |
| 05:33.41 | Killmore | TNSe: I think he change some gear between wave or before some boss because on Kael he got 21k |
| 05:33.49 | TNSe | thats more like it |
| 05:34.00 | TNSe | he's probably in evasion gear |
| 05:34.03 | ckknight | TNSe: Grayhoof said he wouldn't do that |
| 05:34.10 | TNSe | weird |
| 05:34.15 | TNSe | because that pic that was just posted |
| 05:34.19 | ckknight | part of the reason why I made Parrot |
| 05:34.21 | Killmore | thats why Im using Parrot |
| 05:34.25 | TNSe | shows +204 Mana (7 gains) |
| 05:34.26 | TNSe | ooh |
| 05:34.35 | TNSe | so SCT out parrot in? :P |
| 05:34.40 | ckknight | *shrug* |
| 05:34.51 | Killmore | for me at least |
| 05:34.52 | TNSe | its the single most annoying thing with SCT |
| 05:34.56 | ckknight | I prefer it, but I'm an egotist |
| 05:35.00 | TNSe | that you can't get stuff compounded |
| 05:35.01 | Diao | msbt did it and parrot does now |
| 05:35.24 | TNSe | as shadowpriest |
| 05:35.29 | TNSe | I don't care what my VT did every tick |
| 05:35.36 | TNSe | I want to know how I did last 10 seconds or so |
| 05:36.06 | ckknight | then use Parrot :-P |
| 05:36.11 | ckknight | you can change the time |
| 05:36.16 | ckknight | et al |
| 05:36.22 | ckknight | and it merges pretty much everything |
| 05:36.26 | TNSe | nice |
| 05:36.35 | TNSe | then I only have to configure it to my liking >_< |
| 05:36.43 | TNSe | does it support profiles? |
| 05:36.49 | ckknight | i.e. if 5 things hit you within 0.1 seconds, it'll merge em |
| 05:36.52 | ckknight | e.g.* |
| 05:36.57 | ckknight | TNSe: as much as any other Ace mod |
| 05:37.07 | TNSe | I don't want damage merged |
| 05:37.12 | TNSe | but gains yes plz :P |
| 05:37.22 | ckknight | TNSe: if you don't want damage merged, you can turn it off, real easy |
| 05:37.27 | ckknight | I like it, which is why I put it in |
| 05:37.31 | ckknight | it's very configurable |
| 05:37.36 | TNSe | downkloading now |
| 05:37.39 | TNSe | <3 wowaceupdater :P |
| 05:37.44 | kaiden | TNSe, here's a simple rule.. |
| 05:37.51 | kaiden | if ckknight makes it.. it's better than all the others |
| 05:37.55 | TNSe | yeah yeah |
| 05:38.01 | TNSe | I've started to understand that :P |
| 05:38.02 | kaiden | and is immensley configurable ;P and has profiles |
| 05:38.02 | ckknight | lol |
| 05:38.02 | kaiden | always |
| 05:38.03 | kaiden | heh |
| 05:38.09 | Diao | isn't it only merged if it's the same type of damage |
| 05:38.09 | ckknight | Parrot has its issue |
| 05:38.16 | ckknight | primarily, the config is a bit bad |
| 05:38.16 | TNSe | now if only x-perl got around to profiles. |
| 05:38.18 | kaiden | although parrot does disappoint me with 1 aspect, same with cowtip |
| 05:38.20 | Diao | like all the same spells |
| 05:38.31 | kaiden | with pitbull you allowed sending layout sto other characters |
| 05:38.32 | ckknight | kaiden: what's that? |
| 05:38.40 | kaiden | whereas parrot / cowtip can't |
| 05:38.43 | ckknight | :-P |
| 05:38.47 | ckknight | yea, I've thought about adding that |
| 05:38.51 | kaiden | i have a lot of friends who are complete noobs when it comes to configuring anything at all |
| 05:39.00 | kaiden | and i'm so sick of having to walk them through each piece step by step |
| 05:39.03 | TNSe | yeah |
| 05:39.15 | TNSe | more mods with cross-server (or profile export) setups |
| 05:39.31 | kaiden | TNSe, i can handle cross-server / cross account easily |
| 05:39.33 | TNSe | make lib for joker immo :P |
| 05:39.35 | kaiden | go to www.sysinternals.com |
| 05:39.45 | kaiden | and download Junction, and learn how to use it, it is symlinking for windows |
| 05:39.48 | ckknight | TNSe: it's not something that needs a lib, really |
| 05:40.08 | TNSe | if you make it into a lib |
| 05:40.13 | ckknight | and since every addon is distinct, it doesn't work too great as a general system |
| 05:40.14 | TNSe | authors of mods will be more likely to include it |
| 05:40.17 | TNSe | as it would be trivial :P |
| 05:40.31 | TNSe | well, the configuration saving is 'common' |
| 05:40.31 | ckknight | i.e. PitBull's layouts are hard to serialize and deserialize |
| 05:40.35 | TNSe | o |
| 05:40.42 | TNSe | if it had a lib to do it for it |
| 05:40.48 | TNSe | it might have been better from scratch :P |
| 05:40.50 | *** part/#wowace nogudnik (n=nogudnik@mail.exiter.com) |
| 05:40.56 | kaiden | i imagine it's not as easy as you think TNSe to lib something like that |
| 05:41.05 | kaiden | since every addon will want to save different variables |
| 05:41.19 | ckknight | right. |
| 05:41.26 | TNSe | heh |
| 05:41.27 | kaiden | or send different variables, it would be just as hard to just right it themselves as use a lib for it |
| 05:41.37 | TNSe | how did we get along with windows' .ini files for so long :P |
| 05:41.38 | kaiden | right = write |
| 05:41.53 | ckknight | sending the tables is very easy |
| 05:42.00 | ckknight | and receiving is easy as well |
| 05:43.14 | TNSe | holy shit |
| 05:43.14 | ckknight | I need Kaelten to get back |
| 05:43.20 | TNSe | the config menu makes my eyes bleed :P |
| 05:43.36 | ckknight | so I can get a proper jira project |
| 05:43.48 | ckknight | and thus create the generic issue filer for Joker |
| 05:43.58 | ckknight | i.e. file bugs/features ingame |
| 05:44.39 | ckknight | then copy a link to a browser and it's filed |
| 05:44.40 | TNSe | ick, I disabled SCT/SCTD, but it still seems to be enabled wtf |
| 05:44.47 | ckknight | ? |
| 05:44.50 | ckknight | reload? |
| 05:45.00 | Mecdemort_ | default bliz text turned on? |
| 05:45.04 | TNSe | its off |
| 05:45.08 | TNSe | every option is greyed |
| 05:45.15 | TNSe | I put on water shield |
| 05:45.21 | CIA-14 | 03evilelvis * r47599 10eePanels2/core.lua: eePanels2: bugfix for error when deleting panel from individual dewdrop menu, and badparent fix when changing profiles. |
| 05:45.22 | TNSe | it says [Water Shield] |
| 05:45.26 | TNSe | when I put on lightning shield |
| 05:45.35 | TNSe | it says Lightning Shield but different direction lol |
| 05:45.45 | ckknight | change the animation style |
| 05:45.51 | TNSe | lets try again |
| 05:46.17 | TNSe | there we go |
| 05:46.23 | kaiden | i'm so glad evilelvis is back |
| 05:46.33 | kaiden | been hoping for some advancements to eePanels |
| 05:46.54 | TNSe | now I gotta reduce font to 1/3 |
| 05:47.42 | TNSe | eh |
| 05:47.42 | TNSe | lol |
| 05:47.47 | CIA-14 | 03evilelvis * r47600 10eePanels2/core.lua: eePanels2: new panels unlocked by default |
| 05:47.54 | TNSe | your default setup is near equal to my custom SCT setup >_< |
| 05:48.05 | TNSe | you got good taste ckknight :P |
| 05:48.29 | ckknight | I copied MSBT, really |
| 05:48.40 | ckknight | and stole the best features from both MSBT and SCT |
| 05:48.50 | ckknight | and then added icons (which SCT subsequently stole from me) |
| 05:49.06 | TNSe | what resolution do you play in |
| 05:49.14 | TNSe | because half the text is like 2x off my screen at 1024 :P |
| 05:49.32 | NightHawkTheSane | 1024 is so 2004. |
| 05:49.40 | kaiden | stop playing in 1024.. |
| 05:49.43 | kaiden | it's horrible.. |
| 05:49.44 | kaiden | heh |
| 05:49.58 | CIA-14 | 03mecdemort * r47601 10TableInspector/Core.lua: TableInspector: - Can now view subtables from slash command. Ex: /ti Addon.db.realm |
| 05:50.08 | TNSe | hey |
| 05:50.12 | TNSe | my desktop resolution is 1024 |
| 05:50.15 | TNSe | and I play windowed :P |
| 05:50.25 | kaiden | get a bigger monitor |
| 05:50.28 | *** join/#wowace Dotted (n=nnscript@ip-22-215.bnaa.dk) |
| 05:50.29 | kaiden | they are too cheap these days not to |
| 05:50.46 | Pkekyo | l2 2048x1024 :> |
| 05:50.47 | ckknight | TNSe: I play windowed and the game window is 1024 |
| 05:50.49 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 what kind of ancient monitor doesn't support at least 1280 |
| 05:50.55 | TNSe | heh |
| 05:50.57 | TNSe | it supports it |
| 05:51.06 | TNSe | its just that it would change my mouse settings |
| 05:51.09 | Mecdemort_ | i play windowed with 1280x1024, tho i have dual screen ;p |
| 05:51.19 | TNSe | and I'm too freaking used with 1024 to get used to a new sens |
| 05:51.27 | Pkekyo | <--- windowed (maximized) 1280x1024 |
| 05:51.35 | kaiden | << plays in 1680x1050 |
| 05:51.41 | Pkekyo | off to school...laters peeps |
| 05:51.42 | kaiden | until i get my new 28" monitor in a few days |
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| 05:52.35 | TNSe | heh |
| 05:52.38 | TNSe | <3 abbrevs |
| 05:52.42 | TNSe | should be by default tho imo :P |
| 05:54.51 | TNSe | lol |
| 05:54.56 | TNSe | what did you spend most time on |
| 05:55.02 | TNSe | the config menu or the addon itself >_< |
| 05:59.49 | TNSe | ckknight, its the Throttle Events I'm looking for right? |
| 05:59.56 | ckknight | yes |
| 06:01.46 | TNSe | how can I remove the 'overheal' from (xxx overheal) |
| 06:02.40 | kaiden | let ckknight watch his show so he can add my feature so he can get paid |
| 06:02.43 | kaiden | *glares* :P |
| 06:02.52 | TNSe | :P |
| 06:05.23 | SaladFork | Windowed w/ dual monitor (I have 2 monitors at 1280x1024) is fantastic |
| 06:05.28 | *** join/#wowace Ani| (n=ani@86.56.51.7) |
| 06:05.33 | SaladFork | I'm playing WoW in my left monitor, while chatting in my right |
| 06:05.49 | SaladFork | If WoW wasn't window (and maximized), it would minimize each time I alt-tabbed to mIRC, and my mouse would be confined to the WoW screen |
| 06:06.01 | SaladFork | This way I can just move my mouse to mIRC and interact with it |
| 06:06.07 | SaladFork | Works great with web browsing (thottbot) and chatting (IM, etc.) |
| 06:06.20 | *** join/#wowace syeren (i=syeren@cpc3-oldh5-0-0-cust762.manc.cable.ntl.com) |
| 06:06.24 | kaiden | SaladFork, its not considered an addiction until you 5 box like i do |
| 06:06.25 | kaiden | lol |
| 06:06.30 | SaladFork | Kaiden - /shrug |
| 06:06.34 | SaladFork | Dual Monitor is enough for what I do now |
| 06:06.37 | kaiden | i play wow on 5 computers at the same time unless i'm watching movies in one :P |
| 06:06.39 | SaladFork | Though I am considering getting a 3rd |
| 06:06.48 | kaiden | 3 boxing is the most fun |
| 06:06.53 | kaiden | 5 is a little excessive |
| 06:07.18 | SaladFork | Now are you triple boxing or just triple moitoring? |
| 06:07.27 | SaladFork | s/moitoring/monitoring/ |
| 06:07.36 | kadrahil | purl: shush |
| 06:07.37 | purl | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 06:07.52 | kadrahil | purl: <3 |
| 06:07.53 | purl | i guess <3 is not >4 |
| 06:07.58 | NightHawkTheSane | ~botsnack |
| 06:07.58 | purl | thanks, NightHawkTheSane |
| 06:09.22 | kaiden | SaladFork, i'm triple boxing |
| 06:09.30 | SaladFork | Impressive |
| 06:09.41 | SaladFork | I double boxed in my CS classes, but I stick to one at home |
| 06:09.55 | kaiden | Multiplicity makes it possible |
| 06:10.03 | kaiden | 1 mouse 1 keyboard shared amongst the lot |
| 06:10.14 | SaladFork | Yep |
| 06:10.18 | SaladFork | I had some fun in CS though |
| 06:10.27 | SaladFork | 1 box was a WinXP machine and the other was a Fedora Core 6 |
| 06:11.12 | TNSe | oooh I found it |
| 06:12.12 | TNSe | hah |
| 06:12.17 | TNSe | parrot > all :P |
| 06:12.23 | SaladFork | Is that out of Beta yet? |
| 06:12.45 | SaladFork | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Parrot |
| 06:12.45 | SaladFork | .wiki Parrot |
| 06:13.01 | SaladFork | Well, thank god it has an informative Wiki, >.< |
| 06:13.40 | ckknight | yea, Parrot's released, I just forgot to tell anyone |
| 06:13.44 | SaladFork | haha |
| 06:13.50 | *** join/#wowace orionshock (n=chatzill@ip68-96-53-124.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 06:13.55 | SaladFork | To be honest, I can't quite remember what it is, just that I was interested |
| 06:14.02 | SaladFork | Care to refresh my memory (Wik isin't helping in the least)? |
| 06:14.05 | ckknight | and the wiki is mostly for development purposes, if you want to code against Parrot |
| 06:14.11 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.14 | ckknight | with regards to what? |
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| 06:14.17 | ckknight | hey orionshock |
| 06:14.40 | SaladFork | ckknight - what Parrot is, actually |
| 06:14.46 | ckknight | combat text addon |
| 06:14.53 | ckknight | well, really, it eats your crackers |
| 06:15.02 | ckknight | it being a combat text addon is merely a side effect |
| 06:15.03 | SaladFork | Yes, I've heard that much |
| 06:15.08 | SaladFork | By combat text addon |
| 06:15.13 | NightHawkTheSane | i'll eat YOUR crackers. |
| 06:15.15 | SaladFork | Do you mean combat log or scrolling text? |
| 06:15.20 | ckknight | scrolling |
| 06:15.25 | SaladFork | Ah |
| 06:15.27 | SaladFork | Similar to SCT? |
| 06:15.30 | ckknight | yes |
| 06:15.31 | SaladFork | Or rather |
| 06:15.36 | orionshock | Parrot is an "scrolling Combat Text" style addon |
| 06:15.36 | SaladFork | How does it differ from the default WoW SCT? |
| 06:15.45 | ckknight | it's shinier |
| 06:15.47 | ckknight | just try it out. |
| 06:15.52 | TNSe | similar? |
| 06:15.53 | TNSe | dunno |
| 06:15.56 | SaladFork | I'm quite attached to the default Blizz one, tbh |
| 06:15.58 | TNSe | sct replaced? |
| 06:15.59 | TNSe | yes |
| 06:16.01 | SaladFork | Got a screenie or a feature list of some sort? |
| 06:16.07 | TNSe | default one is fine |
| 06:16.08 | orionshock | font options, different boxes that stuff pops out of |
| 06:16.09 | ckknight | dude, just spend 5 minutes and try it, |
| 06:16.14 | TNSe | until you are standing 1 cm behind morogrim tidewalker |
| 06:16.19 | CIA-14 | 03next96 * r47602 10eePanels/localization.koKR.lua: |
| 06:16.19 | CIA-14 | eePanels: |
| 06:16.19 | CIA-14 | - Update locale koKR |
| 06:16.19 | TNSe | and doing damage |
| 06:16.52 | SaladFork | Bah, no screenshots? |
| 06:17.03 | SaladFork | Even CowTip had screenshots, ;) |
| 06:17.21 | ZealotOnAStick | ckknight: I think I figured out my problem with Parrot and Soul Shard notification. |
| 06:17.30 | ckknight | ...don't be a lazy ass |
| 06:17.38 | ckknight | what's that, ZealotOnAStick? |
| 06:17.53 | ZealotOnAStick | If you don't specify a class or character specific profile, it doesn't keep the Soul Shard setting. |
| 06:18.07 | ckknight | that seems odd. |
| 06:18.21 | ZealotOnAStick | Indeed, but it's the only recurring factor I can determine. |
| 06:18.21 | SaladFork | Does Parrot at least have a forum thread? |
| 06:18.37 | orionshock | SaladFork: yes, unofficial |
| 06:18.44 | ckknight | unofficially |
| 06:18.51 | orionshock | it's considered alpha atm |
| 06:19.12 | SaladFork | Ah |
| 06:19.15 | SaladFork | Orion - got a link to it? |
| 06:19.26 | orionshock | it's usaly on the recent threads list |
| 06:19.42 | orionshock | btw ckknight anyway to easily reParent parrot to the world frame? |
| 06:19.51 | ckknight | probably |
| 06:20.03 | ckknight | I think if you do ParrotFrame:SetParent(WorldFrame) that'd do it |
| 06:20.08 | SaladFork | Is it the one titled "Parrot? Link?" |
| 06:20.17 | orionshock | ya SaladFork |
| 06:20.20 | ennuilg | Morning guys... |
| 06:20.29 | ckknight | yea, SaladFork |
| 06:20.33 | SaladFork | Mmmmk |
| 06:20.42 | SaladFork | Let's see if anyone in the thread alluded to its greatness |
| 06:21.39 | SaladFork | Ah, you'll make a proper thread once it's in Beta |
| 06:21.41 | SaladFork | Guess I'll wait until then |
| 06:21.50 | SaladFork | Perhaps you'll have a list of features that the default SCT doesn't have |
| 06:21.53 | SaladFork | Or a screenie, =) |
| 06:23.55 | ckknight | all this time spent asking for a screenie |
| 06:24.02 | ckknight | you could've installed and tried it out yourself |
| 06:24.07 | ckknight | morning, ennuilg |
| 06:26.29 | kaiden | ckknight, you know some people just aren't.. all there ;P |
| 06:26.38 | ckknight | clearly |
| 06:26.52 | TNSe | heh |
| 06:26.55 | TNSe | gains merging is nice |
| 06:27.15 | TNSe | now I just need 24 others and a raid to get a proper chance to set it up the way I want it |
| 06:27.31 | kaiden | ckknight, your slogan shouldn't be Parrot it eat's crackers, it should be Parrot, it eats combat spam |
| 06:27.33 | kaiden | :P |
| 06:27.41 | TNSe | no kidding |
| 06:27.46 | ckknight | put parrots eat crackers |
| 06:27.56 | kaiden | yea but your parrot is a freak of nature and eat's spam instead |
| 06:28.00 | kaiden | yum pork byproduct |
| 06:30.50 | ennuilg | Hmm... Any way of checking if an item is usable without consuming it? For instance, Bottled Nethergon Energy - do I have to check for Zone and flag it as usable if it's TK, or can I just call some "IsItemUsable()" function? |
| 06:31.00 | orionshock | SaladFork: http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/OrionShock/?action=view¤t=WoWScrnShot_082707_232649.jpg |
| 06:31.19 | SaladFork | Thanks Orion! =) |
| 06:31.40 | orionshock | it's bad but works |
| 06:31.47 | kaiden | orionshock, dont aid the worlds slovenly... |
| 06:32.00 | SaladFork | Kaiden - if anything, he's convinced me to try it out for myself. |
| 06:32.12 | SaladFork | I like to see how addons work rather then download them blindly |
| 06:32.13 | orionshock | my UI is worse |
| 06:33.20 | SaladFork | I can see you hid it out of embarassment, =P |
| 06:33.27 | kaiden | SaladFork, and what exactly did that screenshot teach you |
| 06:33.33 | kaiden | that it showed combat text on the screen? LOL |
| 06:33.38 | SaladFork | Kaiden - It certainly did more than "it'll eat your crackers" did. |
| 06:33.41 | kaiden | you already knew that from the description and general chat about it |
| 06:34.09 | orionshock | my UI is worse : http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/OrionShock/?action=view¤t=WoWScrnShot_082707_233259.jpg |
| 06:34.14 | kaiden | you had at least 4 people tell you it was exactly like sct in the fact that it showed combat text, and it merged gains/hits, and various other things :) |
| 06:34.24 | SaladFork | blueeeeeee |
| 06:34.25 | kaiden | all we're saying is .. sometimes it's better to just try something out rather than be lazy |
| 06:34.34 | SaladFork | Kai - to be honest, I've never used SCT |
| 06:34.39 | SaladFork | I've been using the default blizz one since I started |
| 06:34.45 | SaladFork | So I was trying to get a comparison over the default blizz one |
| 06:35.27 | SaladFork | Orion - why so blue? >.< |
| 06:35.51 | orionshock | blue? |
| 06:35.57 | orionshock | just it's a soft color |
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| 06:36.05 | SaladFork | Heh |
| 06:36.08 | SaladFork | I wouldn't call it soft, personally |
| 06:36.10 | SaladFork | hurts to look at |
| 06:36.14 | orionshock | lol |
| 06:36.38 | SaladFork | Meh |
| 06:36.40 | SaladFork | It's not that bad of a UI |
| 06:36.41 | orionshock | i play in the dark, with some soft back ground lights |
| 06:36.45 | kaiden | http://ohnoes.cc/screenshots/Jasti_02.jpg |
| 06:36.47 | SaladFork | Could be a bit tidier, but still better than most |
| 06:36.59 | kaiden | my remake of my old one which is a memory remake of caiths latest in the new eePanels |
| 06:37.17 | SaladFork | yuck |
| 06:37.20 | SaladFork | Please tell me you guys aren't clickers |
| 06:37.25 | orionshock | that was my first impression |
| 06:37.39 | orionshock | so boxie and square |
| 06:37.55 | NightHawkTheSane | what does it matter if they are "clickers"? does it actually matter to you? |
| 06:38.11 | SaladFork | Night - No, let's just say I haven't had the best experience with them in recent raids |
| 06:38.18 | NightHawkTheSane | well, they're not in your raids |
| 06:38.22 | SaladFork | lol |
| 06:38.25 | NightHawkTheSane | (presumably) |
| 06:38.51 | SaladFork | Sorry Night, did I offend you as a clicker? |
| 06:38.57 | orionshock | lol |
| 06:39.06 | NightHawkTheSane | no, actually I bind to keys mostly, it's just a really stupid stereotype |
| 06:39.14 | NightHawkTheSane | and you offended me because you acted like an idiot :) |
| 06:39.20 | kaiden | i'm most definitely not a clicker, as can be shown from the keybindings on my buttons :P |
| 06:39.33 | SaladFork | Night |
| 06:39.39 | SaladFork | I could go into it if you'd like |
| 06:39.42 | SaladFork | I have nothing against clickers |
| 06:40.02 | SaladFork | I just got out of a Kara where our new MT wasn't quite up to par |
| 06:40.06 | SaladFork | And I guess I'm still recovering |
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| 06:40.24 | NightHawkTheSane | a) clearly you do, as you expressed disappointment at the prospect that they might be, and b) if you didn't you wouldn't use that stupid term, or have even asked. |
| 06:40.28 | SaladFork | Though trying to turn with his keyboard sure didn't help his case. |
| 06:40.32 | TNSe | ckknight, Parrot fails to display shaman damage totems :P |
| 06:40.33 | orionshock | bad kara tank is usualy a good instance tank |
| 06:40.42 | SaladFork | Night, would you prefer I use the phrase "one who clicks with the mouse"? |
| 06:40.51 | SaladFork | Orion - I quite disagree |
| 06:41.10 | SaladFork | The only difference is instances give a little more leeway if you don't have crit immunity and such |
| 06:41.10 | ckknight | TNSe: hrm |
| 06:41.11 | NightHawkTheSane | SaladFork: i'd prefer you didn't make the distinction at all, as it's stupid. |
| 06:41.22 | SaladFork | Okay Night, I'll try refraining in the future |
| 06:41.25 | TNSe | ckknight, I'll test with shadowfiend later |
| 06:41.49 | TNSe | hopefully it displays that right :P |
| 06:41.49 | ckknight | well, The Kill Point was a good show |
| 06:41.49 | kaiden | it displays mana gains from shadowfiend |
| 06:41.53 | orionshock | NightHawkTheSane: how else does one disinguish the Quality of players except with steriotypes? |
| 06:41.59 | TNSe | mana gains, but the pet damage? |
| 06:42.03 | NightHawkTheSane | orionshock: by actually playing with them? |
| 06:42.08 | kaiden | i'm not sure never really paid attention |
| 06:42.13 | kaiden | only use it in raids when i'm low on mana :P |
| 06:42.26 | orionshock | well in lieu of that, |
| 06:42.33 | TNSe | I use it in raids before I go low on mana |
| 06:42.37 | TNSe | so I have a chance to use it twice :P |
| 06:42.56 | NightHawkTheSane | in lieu of that, you don't make judgements. :P |
| 06:43.22 | kaiden | meh, i'm an alchemist so i'm a mana pot whore |
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| 06:44.25 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07Joker * r47603 10CowTip/CowTip/ (Appearance/Appearance.lua CowTip.lua): |
| 06:44.25 | CIA-14 | CowTip (Joker branch) - add choiceFonts to the Appearance options |
| 06:44.25 | CIA-14 | - add icon to the main option. |
| 06:44.34 | orionshock | right, but one must assume that any use of a stereotype is a limited exposure to another play style and personality thus taken with a grain of salt ; tho i would agree with you in general |
| 06:45.54 | orionshock | sorry, i'm argumentative by nature .. i'll be quiet now |
| 06:46.02 | NightHawkTheSane | About the only stereotype i ever condone is general purpose misanthropy. :) |
| 06:46.23 | orionshock | one sec while i google that |
| 06:46.48 | TNSe | kaiden, when you gain 600-1200 mana/tick of shadowfiend, you'll start using it moer :P |
| 06:46.56 | orionshock | LOL thats a good one - im gona have to remember that |
| 06:47.02 | SaladFork | Anyone here play a druid? |
| 06:47.11 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.21 | NightHawkTheSane | I, uh, have a level 30 druid? |
| 06:47.36 | NightHawkTheSane | 31 if i ever find rok'alim |
| 06:47.49 | kaiden | TNSe, already do :) i just dont use much mana |
| 06:47.53 | Fisker- | ~seen nymbia |
| 06:47.54 | purl | nymbia <n=nymbia@71-218-149-62.hlrn.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3h 58m 12s ago, saying: 'ok, cool'. |
| 06:47.54 | SaladFork | Heh |
| 06:48.06 | SaladFork | I'm leveling up a Druid alt at the moment |
| 06:48.10 | TNSe | when I put out the totems |
| 06:48.13 | SaladFork | And just got a new skill, one sec |
| 06:48.14 | orionshock | im sorry |
| 06:48.34 | SaladFork | Huh? |
| 06:48.44 | orionshock | lol, |
| 06:48.50 | orionshock | whats ur question SaladFork |
| 06:48.54 | SaladFork | I just got Pounce |
| 06:48.59 | SaladFork | And I'm trying to figure out a time when I'd ever use it |
| 06:49.01 | SaladFork | And I can't figure it out |
| 06:49.06 | orionshock | ah - equivalant to cheepshot |
| 06:49.10 | TNSe | it doesn't show me the damage my totems did |
| 06:49.16 | kaiden | SaladFork, meh, it's great for pvp |
| 06:49.17 | orionshock | but with a dot aftereffect |
| 06:49.21 | SaladFork | Why would I ever use it over something like Ravage? |
| 06:49.28 | orionshock | caster mob |
| 06:49.29 | kaiden | you probably wouldn't |
| 06:49.32 | orionshock | or |
| 06:49.41 | kaiden | i use it when i'm fighting rogues or elites |
| 06:49.42 | orionshock | Pounce - Mangle - Shread |
| 06:49.46 | kaiden | to get that extra bit of dps time |
| 06:49.52 | SaladFork | Kai - I just use a Rake for that |
| 06:50.06 | SaladFork | I'm just trying to conserve action bar space by not adding skills I'll never use |
| 06:50.21 | SaladFork | And I've already replaced Ri[ with Ferocious Bite |
| 06:50.24 | SaladFork | Rip* |
| 06:50.46 | SaladFork | I mean, if I need to DoT them, rake does the trick nicely |
| 06:50.50 | CIA-14 | 03wiebbe * r47604 10BossWhisperer/ (BossWhisperer.lua BossWhisperer.toc): |
| 06:50.50 | CIA-14 | BossWhisperer: - Added german translation (thanks LoSti.o89) |
| 06:50.50 | CIA-14 | - Added Traditional Chinese translation (thanks whocare!) |
| 06:50.50 | CIA-14 | - Added the ability to not supress group members, especially for bigwigs stuff! |
| 06:50.50 | CIA-14 | - It will not respond to Bosswhisperer messages from other players creating a nice infinite chat/whisper loop. |
| 06:50.56 | SaladFork | Am I missing something obvious here? |
| 06:51.15 | orionshock | one sec i'll show u some of my leet macros |
| 06:51.32 | SaladFork | I've got quite a lot of my own |
| 06:51.35 | kaiden | SaladFork, yeah.. you are missing that pounce == stun .. not a dot |
| 06:51.35 | SaladFork | My druid more than any other class |
| 06:51.54 | orionshock | pounce is lvl ... eee.. 30ish? |
| 06:51.54 | SaladFork | Kai - When would I want to stun my target as an opener rather than Ravage them? |
| 06:51.59 | SaladFork | Pounce is 36 |
| 06:52.05 | kaiden | SaladFork, whenever you so choose |
| 06:52.13 | SaladFork | Kai - I can't seem to think of a time I would |
| 06:52.15 | orionshock | like i said - casters |
| 06:52.18 | SaladFork | I'm asking to see if you guys can |
| 06:52.19 | orionshock | pounce casters |
| 06:52.28 | orionshock | that and when you can't get behind someone |
| 06:52.28 | SaladFork | Hmm |
| 06:52.42 | SaladFork | My instinct tells me to Ravage casters. That clothie armor can't take much hits, and a big opener is sure to get them low off the bat |
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| 06:53.06 | SaladFork | I mean, does a 3 second stun really do that much against a caster? |
| 06:53.13 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:53.31 | kaiden | in 3 seconds you can get off 2 shreds easily if you time your energy ticks right |
| 06:53.31 | SaladFork | Why would you group it with Mangle? >.< |
| 06:53.38 | NightHawkTheSane | well, it's three seconds they're not casting, three attacks and 1-2 specials.. |
| 06:53.42 | orionshock | stealth and no stealth |
| 06:53.50 | SaladFork | Yeah, I use that myself |
| 06:53.59 | SaladFork | But I ususally use it for things that actually are related, >.< |
| 06:54.00 | orionshock | pounce is not useful outside of stealth |
| 06:54.06 | SaladFork | Like |
| 06:54.07 | SaladFork | /cast [stealth] Ravage; Shred |
| 06:54.08 | orionshock | saves action bar space |
| 06:54.37 | SaladFork | Yes, I assume I'd do a similar thing myself. |
| 06:54.38 | orionshock | shread is 42e thus u have to wait 2 ticks to use it |
| 06:54.46 | NightHawkTheSane | orionshock: get an action bar that switches bars in stealth? :P |
| 06:54.48 | orionshock | mangle and claw are the same |
| 06:54.57 | SaladFork | Night - I'd rather use a macro, liek Orion |
| 06:54.59 | SaladFork | like* |
| 06:55.03 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.03 | SaladFork | I switch bars when I'm in different forms |
| 06:55.13 | SaladFork | But switching between stealth and nonstealth is just silly for 1-2 abilities |
| 06:55.18 | orionshock | i lvl with default bars so im not used to getting a new action bar on stealth |
| 06:55.18 | SaladFork | Where a macro with [stealth] does the trick |
| 06:55.30 | NightHawkTheSane | I'd rather not fill up my per char macro slots *shrug* |
| 06:55.40 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.54 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.54 | SaladFork | Night - My druid has more macros than any of my other characters and it's just half full at the moment |
| 06:56.01 | NightHawkTheSane | I've already got 10 per char macros on my druid, and none ofthem are stealth/nostealth macros |
| 06:56.08 | SaladFork | And that's including one per shapeshift |
| 06:56.18 | Fisker- | man |
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| 06:56.29 | Fisker- | Why doesn't Blizzard have a Exalted tab in reputation? :( |
| 06:56.34 | SaladFork | I even have 2 silly macros just to save action bar space |
| 06:56.35 | orionshock | SaladFork: BindPad -- try it |
| 06:56.40 | SaladFork | /cast [modifier:shift] Remove Curse; Abolish Poison |
| 06:56.41 | SaladFork | /cast [modifier:ctrl] Challenging Roar; Growl |
| 06:57.06 | orionshock | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6385-BindPad-GUItosetkeybindingsforspellitemmacro.html |
| 06:57.17 | Fisker- | Anyone know if there's a rep addon that allows for your own categories? :P |
| 06:57.23 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm just saying, having an action bar switch during stealth saves macro slots, and does more or less the same thing. Consdiring I'm not going to use all my action bars anyway, its not really wasting anything i need |
| 06:57.33 | SaladFork | Orion - If that works as well as it looks like it would |
| 06:57.37 | SaladFork | My mage just got 6 new action bars |
| 06:57.49 | NightHawkTheSane | although, I'm used to it switching like a rogue, so that helps i guess |
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| 06:58.21 | orionshock | works like a charm, even if you disable the addon after setting the binding |
| 06:59.02 | SaladFork | Very cool |
| 06:59.14 | SaladFork | Though back to the original topic, do you guys really find Pounce that useful? |
| 06:59.31 | orionshock | i do in pvp |
| 06:59.52 | orionshock | and it's an extra dot |
| 06:59.57 | orionshock | sticks to rogues |
| 07:00.15 | SaladFork | Okay, I added it |
| 07:00.22 | SaladFork | Doesn't take another macro slot either, =) |
| 07:00.23 | SaladFork | /cast [stealth] Ravage; [modifier:shift] Pounce; Shred |
| 07:00.47 | orionshock | see im like a rogue i need to mash buttons in cat form |
| 07:01.03 | SaladFork | Mmhmm |
| 07:01.09 | SaladFork | On my main (a mage), I use spellstopping macros |
| 07:01.15 | SaladFork | And I haven't mashed buttons since I was a lowbie |
| 07:01.18 | SaladFork | Though I'm quite the masher on my Druid |
| 07:01.19 | SaladFork | XD |
| 07:01.29 | SaladFork | Just waiting for that energy tick doesn't have the same effect |
| 07:01.37 | orionshock | NE / Tauren? |
| 07:01.41 | SaladFork | Tauren |
| 07:01.45 | SaladFork | <- Hordie. |
| 07:01.59 | SaladFork | Troll Mage, Tauren Druid |
| 07:02.00 | orionshock | energy tick? |
| 07:02.04 | SaladFork | plus, the +maxhp is fantastic |
| 07:02.20 | SaladFork | Orion - Yeah, you DO know that you get energy every 2 seconds? |
| 07:02.36 | orionshock | really !? |
| 07:02.42 | SaladFork | Oh come on |
| 07:02.43 | NightHawkTheSane | That reminds me, i need to make a deshift-stomp-regrowth macro |
| 07:02.46 | SaladFork | You're playing me for a fool now |
| 07:02.49 | orionshock | LOL |
| 07:02.57 | SaladFork | Ew, I've never been a fan of sequence macros |
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| 07:03.09 | orionshock | purl whats ur command to pull stuff off the armory? |
| 07:03.11 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i do it so damn often |
| 07:03.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i figure i might as well macro it |
| 07:03.15 | SaladFork | Orion - use the bot for that |
| 07:03.31 | SaladFork | ThraeBot does it |
| 07:03.35 | SaladFork | !commands |
| 07:03.36 | NightHawkTheSane | orionshock: /msg ThraeBot help |
| 07:03.39 | SaladFork | or is it !help |
| 07:03.42 | SaladFork | !help |
| 07:03.46 | SaladFork | That's it. |
| 07:03.58 | SaladFork | Well now, Thrae made it whisper |
| 07:04.00 | SaladFork | God deal |
| 07:04.03 | SaladFork | Good* |
| 07:04.08 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, channel spam sucks. :P |
| 07:04.08 | SaladFork | Though I would have preferred a notice personally |
| 07:04.18 | SaladFork | Thrae - you arroun? |
| 07:04.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i prefer whispers, as it opens a query |
| 07:04.25 | SaladFork | s/arroun/around/ |
| 07:04.30 | NightHawkTheSane | so I can just type back in that |
| 07:04.37 | SaladFork | Night - to each his own |
| 07:04.37 | orionshock | !c us cyclone atradies |
| 07:04.41 | ThraeBot | orionshock: atradies is not the character you are looking for! |
| 07:04.46 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed |
| 07:04.53 | orionshock | !c us cyclone Atradies |
| 07:04.55 | ThraeBot | orionshock: I just said that 16s ago. |
| 07:05.03 | orionshock | stfu and say it again |
| 07:05.05 | SaladFork | Orion - what spec are you? |
| 07:05.21 | orionshock | spec ? yes |
| 07:05.33 | SaladFork | Hmm |
| 07:05.37 | SaladFork | Where are your talent points currently located? |
| 07:05.41 | orionshock | bout every 6 moths i respec between resto and feral |
| 07:06.03 | SaladFork | Goodnight Night |
| 07:06.10 | SaladFork | Orion - You tank/dps as feral? |
| 07:06.17 | orionshock | both |
| 07:06.20 | SaladFork | Awesome |
| 07:06.35 | Fisker- | SUPRISE |
| 07:06.38 | SaladFork | Mind giving my spec a look and seeing if I made any obvious mistakes? |
| 07:06.53 | orionshock | lvl 32? |
| 07:06.57 | orionshock | 36 |
| 07:07.02 | SaladFork | I have the spec done for a level 70 |
| 07:07.04 | ckknight | yelling "Surprise" before having sex with someone still counts as rape. |
| 07:07.11 | orionshock | lol ckknight |
| 07:07.18 | kaiden | haha |
| 07:07.19 | orionshock | sure SaladFork link me a spec |
| 07:07.19 | SaladFork | Ckk - You can't rape the willing. |
| 07:07.22 | Fisker- | :( |
| 07:07.27 | SaladFork | Orion - http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=zZxGGsfroekioVxhz |
| 07:07.38 | SaladFork | That's what I have planned at the moment |
| 07:07.53 | orionshock | Mangle / OOC - classic spec |
| 07:07.59 | orionshock | ooc is not that good IMHO |
| 07:08.14 | SaladFork | What's not good about a free attack? |
| 07:08.17 | orionshock | it's a melee tallent but for some fking reason they put it in the caster specs |
| 07:08.30 | orionshock | and the proc rate is minimal benifit |
| 07:08.42 | SaladFork | To be completely honest, I can't see where else to put the points |
| 07:08.43 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 07:08.46 | SaladFork | Feral tree is all filled out nicely |
| 07:08.50 | Fisker- | does the dragons in BEM usually land? |
| 07:09.03 | SaladFork | Fisker - No, they run into the big spikes and die |
| 07:09.10 | kaiden | Fisker-, yes |
| 07:09.13 | SaladFork | Unless you mean the ones in Ogri'la |
| 07:09.19 | SaladFork | In which you can spend 35 shards and make one land |
| 07:09.20 | Fisker- | thought they only landed when summoned :/ |
| 07:09.22 | kaiden | he lands every once in a while and walks around then takes off again |
| 07:09.29 | SaladFork | really? |
| 07:09.30 | SaladFork | Hmmm |
| 07:09.34 | SaladFork | Can you kite it to Ogri'la? |
| 07:09.37 | kaiden | oh you mean the ones in ogri'la? |
| 07:09.37 | orionshock | 5/40/8 |
| 07:09.49 | kaiden | i thought you meant the ones in the Skettis area of the zone |
| 07:09.50 | TNSe | finally found what was wrong with Parrot |
| 07:09.50 | SaladFork | Orion - for nature's grasp? |
| 07:09.54 | orionshock | natures grasp FTW man |
| 07:09.58 | TNSe | incoming/outgoing was reverse of how I wanted it |
| 07:10.07 | Fisker- | lol |
| 07:10.08 | SaladFork | Can you cast it while shapeshifted? |
| 07:10.10 | Fisker- | guards are attacking it now |
| 07:10.13 | orionshock | yep |
| 07:10.20 | SaladFork | Hmmm |
| 07:10.23 | orionshock | but it does bring you out of stealth |
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| 07:10.30 | SaladFork | Well |
| 07:10.32 | SaladFork | To be honest |
| 07:10.36 | SaladFork | It seems only useful if you're running away |
| 07:10.51 | Fisker- | it's dying :( |
| 07:10.51 | SaladFork | And it only lasts 45 seconds, which is quite ridiculous IMO |
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| 07:11.01 | orionshock | and there is a good reason for that |
| 07:11.06 | orionshock | 5v1 pvp blows |
| 07:11.16 | SaladFork | If you're the 1 in that situation |
| 07:11.20 | SaladFork | Rooting 1 of the 5 won't do you much good |
| 07:11.25 | SaladFork | Best chance you have is to travel form and run |
| 07:11.27 | orionshock | wrong |
| 07:11.44 | orionshock | rooting that rogue gives you a 25% chance of getting away faster |
| 07:11.55 | Fisker- | i hope i can loot it |
| 07:11.58 | SaladFork | True |
| 07:12.06 | SaladFork | Fisk - you have to do over 50% damage to an NPC if guards help you out |
| 07:12.07 | orionshock | you can shape shift out of nearly everything else |
| 07:12.22 | orionshock | or trinket |
| 07:12.27 | SaladFork | Orion - Do you really find that being able to outrun someone every so often in PvP is worth sacrificing a free move for? |
| 07:12.39 | orionshock | um... yes |
| 07:12.47 | SaladFork | You more of a PvPer? =P |
| 07:12.50 | orionshock | OOC in pvp blows and is allright in pve |
| 07:12.52 | Fisker- | LOL |
| 07:13.16 | SaladFork | I'm planning on making my druid more of a PvEer, and Nature's Grasp doesn't seem all that useful for what I'm using the druid for |
| 07:13.24 | SaladFork | While OOC seems to provide a slight benefit |
| 07:13.27 | orionshock | well considering it's just after midnight here, and i play on Cali server - Crushridge, ya i pvp more often |
| 07:13.35 | SaladFork | hah |
| 07:13.37 | SaladFork | It's 3am here |
| 07:13.41 | SaladFork | And I play on a PDT server, =( |
| 07:13.46 | SaladFork | It's just after midnight server time |
| 07:13.47 | SaladFork | bleh |
| 07:14.09 | SaladFork | Well, Orion |
| 07:14.15 | orionshock | and my raiding is reduced to kara on the weekends |
| 07:14.19 | orionshock | for a few hours |
| 07:14.21 | orionshock | >.> |
| 07:14.27 | SaladFork | I'll definitely agree to saying that OOC is better for PvEing and NG is better for PvPing |
| 07:14.44 | SaladFork | Plus, I'm guessing you're on a PvP server |
| 07:14.48 | orionshock | ya |
| 07:14.54 | SaladFork | I'm on a carebear server, so running away doesn't happen often |
| 07:15.01 | orionshock | im on a Gank-You-Dead server |
| 07:15.08 | SaladFork | mmhmm |
| 07:15.14 | SaladFork | I'm spoiled with being able to pick my fights |
| 07:15.23 | SaladFork | I can definitely see how NG would be more desired in a PvP server, =P |
| 07:15.40 | Fisker- | bah |
| 07:15.42 | Fisker- | he didn't drop loot |
| 07:15.51 | SaladFork | Fisk - he did, just not for you, ;) |
| 07:15.54 | orionshock | the kind that makes you wana get your homies and Corpse Camp every single allinace f-twat in ogrila |
| 07:16.01 | Fisker- | well the guards died :P |
| 07:16.08 | Fisker- | had to solo him the last bit |
| 07:16.13 | SaladFork | Orion - trust me, they're just as annoying in PvE servers |
| 07:17.02 | Fisker- | outwitted by a paladin, pwnt |
| 07:17.08 | orionshock | and not just corpsecamp -- i mean 20 to the death spot , 20 to the GY till every single last one of them either leaves zone or logs off |
| 07:17.16 | SaladFork | Orion - wait a sec, did you say 5/40/8? |
| 07:17.24 | SaladFork | Did you honestly not max out Naturalist? |
| 07:17.29 | orionshock | ya |
| 07:17.36 | SaladFork | That seems silly |
| 07:17.54 | SaladFork | A flat +10% damage to all attacks in all forms is a godsend |
| 07:17.56 | SaladFork | Why didn't you take it? |
| 07:18.05 | orionshock | pvp |
| 07:18.07 | orionshock | :D |
| 07:18.19 | SaladFork | Nothing wrong with doing more damage in PvP, =P |
| 07:18.20 | orionshock | honestly as a bear tank, threat is ... acts different |
| 07:18.39 | SaladFork | Hey, 10% more damage certainly isn't going to HURT your TPS |
| 07:18.46 | orionshock | no it's not |
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| 07:18.56 | orionshock | but as i pvp more often than raid tank |
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| 07:19.09 | orionshock | tbh - in tanking gear i cannot hold aggro in 5mans |
| 07:19.15 | orionshock | not gona happen |
| 07:19.32 | SaladFork | Well, I hope I'll be able to, >.< |
| 07:19.43 | orionshock | we've got to have a serious bang team for me to hold aggro in 5mans in tank gear |
| 07:19.44 | Daemona | hmmm anyone can give me a hint on how to get the new armory running with tattles dataminer lua? |
| 07:19.54 | orionshock | ya |
| 07:20.06 | orionshock | Daemona: download the new one |
| 07:20.09 | SaladFork | Dae - just open the lua and change it to use the new domain? |
| 07:20.19 | orionshock | i uploaded the updated dataminer |
| 07:21.06 | SaladFork | Orion - do you use Quartz? |
| 07:21.10 | orionshock | ya |
| 07:21.41 | SaladFork | Do you use the Swing Timer by any chance? |
| 07:21.44 | orionshock | ya |
| 07:21.56 | SaladFork | Any idea why it only works for my in Caster/Travel form? |
| 07:22.09 | SaladFork | It won't work for me in Cat/Bear unless I start meleeing in Caster and then shift |
| 07:22.11 | SaladFork | And then it works fine |
| 07:22.20 | Arrowmaster | i think my friend usually wore his dps gear when tanking 5mans on his druid, although that did result in him getting hit less because it gave him more dodge |
| 07:22.23 | orionshock | bc nymbia didn't code it to work with cat form or bear form |
| 07:22.35 | SaladFork | Arrow - that's not neccessarily good |
| 07:22.43 | SaladFork | Too much dodging means you get rage starvation |
| 07:22.53 | SaladFork | Orion - So it doesn't work for you either? |
| 07:22.56 | Arrowmaster | yeah but druids are imba with rage from damage |
| 07:23.02 | orionshock | Salad right.. sure bout that |
| 07:23.07 | Arrowmaster | and the rage from crits talent |
| 07:23.08 | SaladFork | The thing is it works 100% fine for me when I'm in cat/bear |
| 07:23.15 | SaladFork | But only if I force Quartz to show the swing timer |
| 07:23.20 | SaladFork | So it seems silly he wouldn't add it |
| 07:23.21 | orionshock | tbh ppl are panzys when a druid tank comes up to the plate, they wana CC EVERYTHING |
| 07:23.33 | orionshock | when really we're designed arround the 2 on the tank idea |
| 07:23.34 | Arrowmaster | lol |
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| 07:24.04 | orionshock | 2 mobs on the tank, don't touch the 2nd one |
| 07:24.26 | orionshock | tbh, as well, any tank that begins with a taunt is foolish and dumb |
| 07:24.34 | Arrowmaster | if i actually ran 5mans anymore, all the tanks i would run with including my friends feral druid even though he doesnt play anymore, there would be no ccing at all |
| 07:24.57 | SaladFork | If you ever want to see fun, go to SH |
| 07:25.12 | SaladFork | I went there with a group of Tankadin, Holydin, and 3x mages |
| 07:25.15 | orionshock | SH.. CC by fear :D |
| 07:25.16 | SaladFork | Craziest shit you will ever see |
| 07:25.40 | orionshock | fk man - what u do AOE shit to death? |
| 07:25.43 | SaladFork | Yep |
| 07:25.53 | SaladFork | I hit like 1.3k DPS there |
| 07:25.56 | orionshock | thats certianly one way to do it |
| 07:26.02 | SaladFork | Without elixirs / wizard oils |
| 07:26.02 | Arrowmaster | we dont fear in heroic SH, since we used to skip all the side mobs to go faster |
| 07:26.20 | SaladFork | Arrow - Those side mobs are the only things in the game that drop certain enchanting recipes |
| 07:26.31 | orionshock | ... cc by fear, reminds me of the good ol days of UBRS |
| 07:26.37 | orionshock | Fkin' UBRS man |
| 07:27.04 | Arrowmaster | SaladFork: when your running the instance for TK attunement quest you dont care about enchanting recipes |
| 07:27.08 | Daemona | orionshock hmm did you test it with the eu-armory page? not sure if its working as intended when i use the uncommented updateonly with an eu-battlegroup |
| 07:27.20 | SaladFork | Arrow - True, =P |
| 07:27.23 | orionshock | make sure u use the right root |
| 07:27.41 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.21 | Daemona | the eu-root is set with "local eu_root = http://eu.wowarmory.com/" |
| 07:28.27 | CIA-14 | 03sayclub * r47605 10OnScreenHealth/Locale-koKR.lua: |
| 07:28.27 | CIA-14 | OnScreenHealth: |
| 07:28.27 | CIA-14 | - Updated localization koKR |
| 07:28.34 | orionshock | ... |
| 07:28.40 | SaladFork | Whoaaaaa |
| 07:28.41 | orionshock | what server on the EU relms? |
| 07:28.45 | SaladFork | Does Ferocious Bite always stay this awesome? |
| 07:28.45 | Daemona | the point is, it only updates the battlegroup list for us battlegroups |
| 07:29.05 | Daemona | i modified the updateonly and uncommented it to update "Blutdurst" |
| 07:29.11 | nevcairiel | the new armory page had xml format changes |
| 07:29.15 | nevcairiel | the old tools wont work out of the box |
| 07:29.21 | orionshock | in combat -- one sec Daemona i'll look into it |
| 07:29.26 | Daemona | np :) |
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| 07:29.54 | SaladFork | Orion - do druids ever get a spell interrupt? |
| 07:29.56 | orionshock | Salad - no FB will begin to suck |
| 07:30.06 | orionshock | trust me |
| 07:30.08 | SaladFork | Well |
| 07:30.11 | SaladFork | If FB begins to suck |
| 07:30.15 | SaladFork | What do you spend your combo points on? |
| 07:30.27 | pb_ee1 | Morning |
| 07:30.43 | orionshock | rip |
| 07:30.44 | nevcairiel | rip them :P |
| 07:30.54 | nevcairiel | ignores armor, does way more dps with mangle on |
| 07:31.03 | SaladFork | Nev, you do raise a good point |
| 07:31.17 | SaladFork | Though I'm talking about soloing |
| 07:31.32 | Daemona | then 2 cp rip and then FB em? |
| 07:31.34 | orionshock | Blutdurst |
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| 07:31.40 | SaladFork | Right now, by the time i have enough combo points for Rip to be any good, they're so close to dead the DoT will only last a few seconds anyway |
| 07:31.42 | nevcairiel | depends what you solo |
| 07:31.55 | nevcairiel | when your mob dies after opener + mangle + FB |
| 07:31.57 | nevcairiel | go for it :P |
| 07:31.57 | SaladFork | On the other hand, I can Shred -> Rake -> Claw, then FB and kill them |
| 07:32.00 | SaladFork | And take minimal damage |
| 07:32.09 | ZealotOnAStick | SaladFork: bear form has a Bash like ability that does an interrupt. |
| 07:32.17 | SaladFork | Zealot - anything for a poor cat? |
| 07:32.23 | SaladFork | Other than Maim, which takes CPs |
| 07:32.26 | nevcairiel | no |
| 07:32.28 | SaladFork | Yuck! |
| 07:32.47 | SaladFork | So why do people use cat form against casters if you don't have a reliable interrupt? |
| 07:32.48 | orionshock | Daemona: working for me |
| 07:32.49 | ZealotOnAStick | only an ambush move you have to execute from stealth and behind your target. |
| 07:32.49 | nevcairiel | and bash isnt really an interrupt either, wont work on stun immune |
| 07:32.55 | SaladFork | Zealot - yep, Pounce |
| 07:32.59 | orionshock | Salad maim |
| 07:33.07 | nevcairiel | SaladFork: 1.0 attack speed slowes casting down alot |
| 07:33.11 | ZealotOnAStick | Right. You can tell how often I use it on my druid, I don't even remember the name. |
| 07:33.13 | orionshock | druids 1v1 = druid looses |
| 07:33.15 | SaladFork | Orion - So you have to blow all your CPs just to interrupt? =( |
| 07:33.24 | orionshock | druid with friend vs others - others loose |
| 07:33.43 | SaladFork | Zealot - funny you should mention, if you scroll up this conversation started with me asking if Pounce was EVER a good opener from stealth |
| 07:33.48 | nevcairiel | i use pounce while soloing, for minimal incoming dmg, works pretty good |
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| 07:34.00 | SaladFork | And for clarification, you need to be stealthed, but you don't have to be behind them |
| 07:34.19 | SaladFork | I find that timing a Ravage right before an energy tick does quite a bit more |
| 07:34.19 | Punkie` | what is it |
| 07:34.22 | Punkie` | like cheap shot? |
| 07:34.30 | SaladFork | Punkie - cheap shot with a dot |
| 07:34.35 | SaladFork | while Ravage is more like Ambush |
| 07:34.38 | ZealotOnAStick | well, if you're not at least behind their forward arc, you're not going to be stealthed for long. |
| 07:34.39 | Punkie` | seems cool |
| 07:34.41 | SaladFork | but does more damage |
| 07:34.44 | Punkie` | i use cheap shot almost always |
| 07:34.52 | Punkie` | does it award 2 cp also? |
| 07:34.57 | SaladFork | 1 |
| 07:35.04 | Punkie` | ah, well stuns are still good |
| 07:35.10 | SaladFork | I can either Pounce, which does a 3 sec stun, plus 270 damageo ver 18sec, and gives +1cp |
| 07:35.13 | ZealotOnAStick | well, 2 if you crit, if you have the talent for that. |
| 07:35.15 | SaladFork | or I can ravage |
| 07:35.21 | SaladFork | for 350% wep damage +147 and get +1cp |
| 07:35.30 | SaladFork | Right now, Ravage does an average 411 damage (ty DrDamage!) |
| 07:35.42 | SaladFork | So I sacrifice 200 damage for a 3sec stun? |
| 07:35.44 | SaladFork | Doesn't seem worth it |
| 07:35.46 | SaladFork | At least in PvE |
| 07:35.46 | Diao | pounce can't crit |
| 07:35.48 | Diao | it's a dot |
| 07:35.52 | nevcairiel | plus ravage can crit for another cp |
| 07:35.53 | SaladFork | Another consideration |
| 07:35.59 | SaladFork | I honestly can't see a use for Pounce in PvE |
| 07:36.05 | Punkie` | I didn |
| 07:36.07 | Punkie` | damn |
| 07:36.11 | Fisker- | Punkie` ! |
| 07:36.14 | Punkie` | I didn't think it was PvE :p |
| 07:36.22 | SaladFork | Well, even in PvP |
| 07:36.27 | Diao | and good druids rock 1v1 pvp :P |
| 07:36.31 | Punkie` | I always stun in pvp |
| 07:36.34 | Punkie` | oh hai Fisker- |
| 07:36.41 | SaladFork | I'm rather curious now |
| 07:36.45 | SaladFork | I'm not challenging you, but more trying to learn |
| 07:36.46 | Fisker- | oh hi |
| 07:36.48 | Diao | spell interrupt on a 15sec cd |
| 07:37.02 | Diao | just have to be quick |
| 07:37.03 | SaladFork | Why would a stun be better in PvP than a large hit right off the bat? |
| 07:37.12 | Diao | depends on who you're fighting |
| 07:37.17 | Diao | against say |
| 07:37.19 | Diao | a warrior or paladin |
| 07:37.19 | Punkie` | SaladFork: but to be fair I don't see much 'feral dps' in my guild |
| 07:37.25 | orionshock | vs rogues - you want bleed effects always on em |
| 07:37.26 | Diao | stun+dot > ravage |
| 07:37.49 | SaladFork | Orion - why not Ravage->Rake then? |
| 07:37.55 | SaladFork | That's what I'm doing now |
| 07:38.39 | Punkie` | SaladFork: in PvE I always use rupture, because if ambush doesn't crit then rupture does more damage |
| 07:38.46 | SaladFork | The only time I can see a stun being useful is if you're going against a target who can unleash a lot of DPS, and stunning them for 3 seconds will give you an edge in the start where you don't take any damage |
| 07:38.48 | orionshock | b/c ive got Feral Instinct, and they have Master of Deception ... |
| 07:38.51 | Punkie` | err garotte even |
| 07:38.59 | orionshock | and they gona hit me with cheep shot first if i don't |
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| 07:39.26 | Punkie` | SaladFork: For a rogue the stun is a bit different |
| 07:39.28 | orionshock | i usualy am pouncing rogues off casters, and that 3 seconds is enough to let them get away |
| 07:39.43 | SaladFork | I see |
| 07:39.44 | Punkie` | using cheap shot you have the chance that the person you are attacking is going to use their trinket |
| 07:39.52 | Punkie` | which is a waste on a cheapshot |
| 07:39.52 | SaladFork | It seems realllly situational in PvP, and never useful in PvE |
| 07:40.05 | Punkie` | but then you can go stun them right after :p |
| 07:40.09 | orionshock | ya just about worthless in pvp |
| 07:40.12 | orionshock | *pve |
| 07:40.44 | SaladFork | Very cool |
| 07:40.47 | SaladFork | I've learned a lot, =( |
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| 07:40.48 | SaladFork | err |
| 07:40.49 | SaladFork | =) |
| 07:41.14 | orionshock | just remember that as a druid at 70 in pvp -- you will die first |
| 07:41.17 | orionshock | period |
| 07:41.19 | SaladFork | Orion - why's that? |
| 07:41.24 | Diao | o_O |
| 07:41.33 | SaladFork | Personally, I've found druids to be a BITCH to kill |
| 07:41.34 | orionshock | i don't know but i usualy do |
| 07:41.56 | SaladFork | My main dies in PvP so easily, while my Druid can stay alive for aaages (so far) |
| 07:42.18 | orionshock | ya, it's kina like 'why does everyone attack the pally when he bubbles'? |
| 07:42.24 | SaladFork | Another question while I'm at it |
| 07:42.33 | SaladFork | Tiger's Fury |
| 07:42.37 | SaladFork | Anyone care to explain it? =P |
| 07:42.44 | Diao | buffs your damage for a short time |
| 07:42.49 | orionshock | because when he's not bubble he's ok to kill, but bubbled he's a btch and a half |
| 07:42.52 | SaladFork | I know that much |
| 07:42.56 | SaladFork | I'm talking about good times to use it |
| 07:43.04 | orionshock | Salad - openings |
| 07:43.06 | Diao | combo with ravage |
| 07:43.07 | Diao | pretty much |
| 07:43.09 | Diao | that's about it |
| 07:43.10 | SaladFork | Right now I pop it right before an energy tick, then do my opener before my next one |
| 07:43.22 | SaladFork | The only other time I've ever used it was against bleed-immune mobs |
| 07:43.28 | SaladFork | Since I was energy flooded |
| 07:43.36 | Diao | how o_O |
| 07:44.04 | SaladFork | And damn FB owns right now |
| 07:44.35 | SaladFork | And is it just me, or are Druids just the funnest damn class to play |
| 07:44.36 | ckknight | brb |
| 07:44.39 | SaladFork | I am LOVING this alt |
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| 07:44.45 | ckknight | SaladFork: I like my pally |
| 07:45.13 | SaladFork | I mean, my mage is fun and all |
| 07:45.17 | SaladFork | But this druid is just fun as hell |
| 07:45.20 | SaladFork | I love playing him |
| 07:46.14 | Diao | druids aren't anywhere near as fun now as pre-bc imho |
| 07:46.27 | SaladFork | Well, my druid's still in pre-bc land |
| 07:46.38 | Diao | ah |
| 07:46.56 | pb_ee1 | So... no patch today? :p |
| 07:47.06 | SaladFork | pb - Maintenance has yet to start |
| 07:47.08 | SaladFork | At least for my server |
| 07:47.25 | pb_ee1 | Ok thanks, I'll wait a bit then |
| 07:47.40 | SaladFork | Though it's got to be this week or next week |
| 07:47.45 | SaladFork | It's been in the PTR for ages with nothing new |
| 07:48.59 | Fisker- | lol |
| 07:49.04 | Fisker- | fel reaver's piston procs on seal of light |
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| 07:50.23 | ckknight | dammit, my x key no longer works |
| 07:50.27 | ckknight | it just does nothing |
| 07:50.49 | ckknight | and it doesn't look as though anything is stuck under it or anything |
| 07:51.11 | Fisker- | damn can't search for porn then |
| 07:51.13 | Fisker- | :P |
| 07:51.43 | ckknight | now that's just not true |
| 07:51.47 | ckknight | just gotta be more creative |
| 07:52.01 | ckknight | granted, I do use x every now and again, specifically for cutting |
| 07:52.04 | Diao | OSK of course |
| 07:52.09 | ckknight | doesn't come up often in speech |
| 07:52.13 | ckknight | OSK? |
| 07:52.19 | Diao | on screen keyboard |
| 07:52.23 | ckknight | ugh |
| 07:52.25 | Diao | :P |
| 07:52.32 | Diao | or key mapping |
| 07:52.40 | ckknight | I'll be taking this in tomorrow, hopefully the mac helpdesk guys can figure it out |
| 07:52.48 | ckknight | basically, I don't want to risk breaking it myself |
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| 07:53.52 | SaladFork | Hmm |
| 07:53.57 | SaladFork | How are you typing 'x' if the key doesn't work? |
| 07:54.05 | ckknight | it's in my clipboard |
| 07:54.13 | SaladFork | Fantastic way to solve the problem. |
| 07:54.14 | Fisker- | the wonders of the modern pc! |
| 07:54.17 | Fisker- | charmap + clipboard |
| 07:54.24 | ckknight | still can't cmd-x |
| 07:54.24 | Fisker- | or whatever mac tools exist for the same |
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| 07:58.07 | SaladFork | God damnit |
| 07:58.12 | SaladFork | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/XPBarNone |
| 07:58.12 | SaladFork | .wiki XPBarNone |
| 07:58.36 | SaladFork | phyber - You here? |
| 07:58.51 | SaladFork | >.< |
| 07:59.38 | Fisker- | i hate paladin warlocks |
| 08:00.07 | ckknight | k... |
| 08:00.18 | ckknight | seeing as warlocks can't be paladins... |
| 08:01.03 | SaladFork | ck - Are you the author of Cartographer_Waypoints? |
| 08:01.12 | ckknight | somewhat |
| 08:01.22 | SaladFork | Well, would you take a request? |
| 08:01.23 | Fisker- | i mean the level 70 fel corrupter's BEM :P |
| 08:01.30 | Fisker- | in-game they're classed as paladins |
| 08:01.45 | nevcairiel | like every caster mob is a paladin |
| 08:01.47 | Fisker- | they always aggro one when you have like 4 mobs on you |
| 08:01.50 | Fisker- | not all |
| 08:01.52 | Fisker- | some are mages |
| 08:01.59 | CIA-14 | 03nalumis * r47607 10FuBar_RestFu/RestFuLocals-deDE.lua: FuBar_RestFu: deDE fix |
| 08:02.40 | SaladFork | ck - Well, would you take a request? |
| 08:02.50 | ckknight | perhaps |
| 08:02.57 | SaladFork | Nothing major |
| 08:03.07 | SaladFork | I use Waypoints as a way to mark places I need to go to for a quest or whatever |
| 08:03.13 | SaladFork | Instead of /tloc or /mntloc -q |
| 08:03.23 | ckknight | k... |
| 08:03.26 | SaladFork | I know you can use /waypoint add X Y TITLE |
| 08:03.27 | SaladFork | Which is great |
| 08:03.29 | SaladFork | But a bit long |
| 08:03.33 | SaladFork | Any chance of you adding /wp as a command alias? |
| 08:03.33 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.56 | SaladFork | Exactly what I was looking for |
| 08:03.57 | SaladFork | Ty, =) |
| 08:04.09 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.14 | SaladFork | Wasn't mentioned in /waypoint help, |
| 08:04.40 | Fisker- | lol |
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| 08:04.42 | Fisker- | /noway |
| 08:04.55 | Fisker- | <-easily amused |
| 08:04.59 | SaladFork | Heh |
| 08:05.18 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.24 | SaladFork | /srsly |
| 08:05.41 | orionshock | they said and i didn't believe it ... well now i believe |
| 08:05.48 | ckknight | what? |
| 08:05.49 | orionshock | Tunak Tunak Tun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bAN7Ts0xBo) |
| 08:06.03 | ckknight | hehe |
| 08:06.05 | ckknight | awesome video |
| 08:06.36 | Fisker- | man |
| 08:06.58 | Fisker- | i hate leveling 360>375 cooking as holy when i don't got fishing :( |
| 08:07.17 | SaladFork | Why the hell would you level cooking all that way without picking up fishing? >.< |
| 08:07.47 | Fisker- | i am doing fishing but it's only around 300 right now |
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| 08:09.34 | Fisker- | just getting ready for the profession daily quests :P |
| 08:10.45 | Neebler | oh. good idea! |
| 08:10.52 | Neebler | is that in 2.2? |
| 08:11.05 | SaladFork | I think he means the Netherwing daily |
| 08:11.09 | SaladFork | Which involves a gathering profession |
| 08:11.12 | Fisker- | no |
| 08:11.15 | SaladFork | If you're lucky enough to have one, =( |
| 08:11.16 | SaladFork | Oh? |
| 08:11.20 | Fisker- | and it's either in 2.2 or 2.3 |
| 08:11.22 | Neebler | cooking dailys! |
| 08:11.26 | Nickenyfiken | Netherwing got no cooking quest :-P |
| 08:11.35 | Fisker- | can't remember what patch they were talking about |
| 08:12.39 | Fisker- | but i think they're pretty far with 2.3 already |
| 08:13.09 | Nickenyfiken | ye |
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| 08:15.33 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 08:15.40 | cncfanatics | any druids around that can test something for me ? |
| 08:15.47 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:15.47 | SaladFork | What's that cnc? |
| 08:15.50 | *** part/#wowace lhunath (n=lhunath@unaffiliated/lhunath) |
| 08:17.22 | phyber | SaladFork: I am |
| 08:17.38 | SaladFork | phyber - Am I correct in assuming you're the author of XPBarNone? |
| 08:17.39 | cncfanatics | orionshock :) |
| 08:17.46 | cncfanatics | could u check again if flexbar is working with states ? |
| 08:17.47 | phyber | SaladFork: yup |
| 08:17.52 | SaladFork | Fantastic, mind if I make a request |
| 08:18.02 | phyber | go for it. |
| 08:18.08 | orionshock | ua... |
| 08:18.09 | SaladFork | There's one thing I hack after every one of your updates, that would be awesome if it's official |
| 08:18.10 | SaladFork | Fantastic |
| 08:18.15 | SaladFork | Let me open your Lua for a sec |
| 08:18.49 | SaladFork | Here we go |
| 08:19.21 | SaladFork | This is in reference to your [RestPC] tag |
| 08:19.29 | SaladFork | And your [RestXP] tag, I guess |
| 08:19.39 | SaladFork | Specifically, lines 706 and 707 in Core.lua |
| 08:19.46 | pb_ee1 | rofl --> http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/forums.worldofwarcraft.com/1272280596.htm |
| 08:19.50 | SaladFork | If you have rested XP, it will show you how much of your level you have rested |
| 08:19.52 | orionshock | cncfanatics: you added files... |
| 08:19.54 | SaladFork | ie: 19.9% |
| 08:19.56 | SaladFork | Which is fantastic |
| 08:19.57 | orionshock | got to reload the game now :P |
| 08:19.59 | SaladFork | my problem comes when you have no rest |
| 08:20.05 | SaladFork | Rather than showing the logical 0%, it returns null |
| 08:20.08 | SaladFork | due to line 706/707 |
| 08:20.09 | Fisker- | lol pb_ee1 |
| 08:20.30 | SaladFork | I change mine so it shows 0% instead of nil |
| 08:20.48 | SaladFork | I was curious if you had any reason to have it nil, or if you would take a request to make it show 0% instead, =) |
| 08:21.12 | phyber | it doesn't return nil, it's an empty string. but I could change it. |
| 08:21.19 | SaladFork | Errr, yeah, sorry |
| 08:21.28 | phyber | I guess you have something like ([restPC]) and the () looks silly when empty? |
| 08:21.28 | SaladFork | I was just curious if you had any reason not to |
| 08:21.32 | SaladFork | I have |
| 08:21.38 | SaladFork | ([RestPC] rested) |
| 08:21.45 | SaladFork | So I see either (19.9% rested) |
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| 08:21.47 | SaladFork | or ( reste) |
| 08:21.49 | SaladFork | err |
| 08:21.50 | SaladFork | or ( rested) |
| 08:22.04 | SaladFork | Unless I did it wrong |
| 08:22.08 | SaladFork | text = gsub(text, "%[restPC%]", "%%") |
| 08:22.10 | SaladFork | works fine |
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| 08:23.13 | orionshock | btw if i could have someone who knows how to code look at ReportAFK under branches -- i'd like to see just how bloated i can make it :D :P |
| 08:23.34 | SaladFork | You're making a mod to report AFKers in BGs? >.< |
| 08:23.47 | orionshock | auto magicly noless |
| 08:24.06 | cncfanatics | orionshock, remember how to do it ? |
| 08:24.09 | orionshock | making - no, made - needs new API to be useful |
| 08:24.43 | orionshock | ya i remember |
| 08:25.50 | SaladFork | Orion - you do know they're adding that into a future patch? >.< |
| 08:26.07 | orionshock | cnc - works fine - no errors anymore from textures |
| 08:26.52 | CIA-14 | 03daviesh * r47608 10AtlasLoot/ (Instances/instances.de.lua TableRegister/loottables.de.lua): |
| 08:26.52 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 08:26.52 | CIA-14 | -Reverted an accidental replacement of the contents of instances.de with the contents of loottables.de |
| 08:26.52 | CIA-14 | -Migrated the updates in the erroneous instances.de to the proper place (loottables.de) |
| 08:27.05 | orionshock | @ Salad ReportPlayerIsPVPAFK(name) |
| 08:27.21 | Diao | so how do you automatically do it o_O |
| 08:27.30 | Fisker- | you can make it easier |
| 08:27.34 | orionshock | download the addon and find out |
| 08:27.39 | SaladFork | phyber - Did you get my request? |
| 08:27.47 | Nickenyfiken | Does AtlasLoot have anything to do with Atlas anymore? |
| 08:27.55 | cncfanatics | orionshock, does that include cat & stealthed cat ? |
| 08:28.02 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.06 | nevcairiel | Nickenyfiken: it hooks into atlas for display :) |
| 08:28.08 | cncfanatics | should change on stealth |
| 08:28.10 | SaladFork | Cnc - what are you making there? |
| 08:28.14 | orionshock | ok afk for a long time doing heroic slave pens |
| 08:28.20 | cncfanatics | SaladFork, Flexbar, actionbar addon |
| 08:28.22 | cncfanatics | damn u |
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| 08:28.24 | Nickenyfiken | nevcairiel: ah ok |
| 08:28.26 | cncfanatics | I needed testing :p |
| 08:28.26 | SaladFork | Ah |
| 08:28.35 | SaladFork | Cnc - any reason you don't like Bartender? |
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| 08:28.58 | baer_ | moin. |
| 08:29.08 | SaladFork | Imma head to bed |
| 08:29.18 | SaladFork | phyber - if you read this, don't C&P my code from above, it wouldn't work. |
| 08:29.20 | SaladFork | Night all |
| 08:29.25 | SaladFork | Thanks for the convo Orion |
| 08:29.28 | SaladFork | My druid appreciates it |
| 08:29.35 | cncfanatics | SaladFork, no possibility to configure button per button |
| 08:29.43 | SaladFork | Cnc - ah, you try suggesting it? |
| 08:30.03 | nevcairiel | i wont do it |
| 08:30.05 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 08:30.10 | SaladFork | Hehe |
| 08:30.13 | art3mis | why would you need to? |
| 08:30.15 | SaladFork | I personally don't see a need to |
| 08:30.23 | nevcairiel | some people might want to |
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| 08:30.30 | nevcairiel | but i tried keeping bartender kinda simple |
| 08:30.31 | SaladFork | Best of luck to 'em |
| 08:30.39 | art3mis | but there's like 12 bars |
| 08:30.39 | SaladFork | Nev - Bartender's great, as I'm sure you've heard |
| 08:30.41 | nevcairiel | altho it got kinda overloaded still.. |
| 08:30.53 | art3mis | even if you wanted to make some SUPER huge |
| 08:30.57 | SaladFork | Alright, I'm off to bed |
| 08:30.59 | art3mis | it's not like there isnt room |
| 08:31.02 | SaladFork | May the forks be with you all. |
| 08:31.12 | cncfanatics | bartender just aint my style |
| 08:31.19 | cncfanatics | I like to configure positions of every button myself |
| 08:31.36 | art3mis | well thats just silly |
| 08:31.47 | cncfanatics | why is it ? let me if I want to |
| 08:31.50 | art3mis | you''re almost as bad as ckk for micro managment ;P |
| 08:31.56 | art3mis | "almost" |
| 08:32.02 | cncfanatics | I agree with that heh |
| 08:32.13 | cncfanatics | also, I dont use action ids |
| 08:32.19 | cncfanatics | so I can have as much buttons as I want to |
| 08:32.28 | art3mis | wierdo |
| 08:32.31 | art3mis | ni ni |
| 08:32.42 | Nickenyfiken | > 120 buttons == the horror |
| 08:33.38 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel 072.2 * r47609 10Bartender3/Bartender3/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Bartender3: merged locale changes from trunk over |
| 08:33.48 | orionshock | West US, Lunar Eclipse soon :P |
| 08:34.00 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47610 10FlexBar2/ (Core.lua Layout/Layout.lua): |
| 08:34.00 | CIA-14 | FlexBar2: |
| 08:34.00 | CIA-14 | Core.lua: |
| 08:34.00 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.00 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.01 | CIA-14 | Layout.lua |
| 08:34.05 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.15 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, 2.2 released ? |
| 08:34.31 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 08:34.39 | cncfanatics | oh wait, no, u merged from trunk to branches, not reverse |
| 08:34.50 | CIA-14 | 03phyber * r47611 10XPBarNone/ (Core.lua XPBarNoneLocale-enUS.lua): |
| 08:34.50 | CIA-14 | XPBarNone: |
| 08:34.50 | CIA-14 | - Added an option to show zero values in the various need tags, instead of returning an empty string. |
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| 08:37.55 | CIA-14 | 03phyber * r47612 10XPBarNone/XPBarNoneLocale-enUS.lua: |
| 08:37.55 | CIA-14 | XPBarNone: |
| 08:37.55 | CIA-14 | - Fix localised string. |
| 08:37.58 | Sole | wooo lunar eclipse |
| 08:38.08 | Fisker- | no! |
| 08:38.34 | Sole | THE RED MOON WILL BITE YOUR FASE OFF |
| 08:39.17 | Fisker- | no |
| 08:39.21 | Nargiddley | its cloudy here :/ |
| 08:39.28 | Fisker- | i got moon protection |
| 08:39.37 | Sole | welly, right narg? |
| 08:39.54 | Nargiddley | yeah |
| 08:40.02 | Nargiddley | hoping it clears up |
| 08:40.42 | Sole | not to brag or anything, but the moon is huge |
| 08:42.11 | Fisker- | my moon is bigger than your |
| 08:42.12 | Fisker- | yours |
| 08:42.16 | Fisker- | owned |
| 08:42.30 | Sole | omg got me |
| 08:42.55 | Nickenyfiken | lol |
| 08:44.04 | pb_ee1 | ckknight, I see on CowTip in Appearance/Appearance.lua on line 5 --> local CowTip = CowTip |
| 08:44.13 | ckknight | eya |
| 08:44.17 | ckknight | yea* |
| 08:44.20 | pb_ee1 | what's the point of that? CowTip isn't already a global variable? |
| 08:44.40 | ckknight | upvalues are faster than globals |
| 08:44.41 | pb_ee1 | so calling "CowTip" directly wouldn't work too? |
| 08:44.55 | ckknight | what works and what is fast are two separate things |
| 08:45.03 | pb_ee1 | Sure ;) |
| 08:45.18 | pb_ee1 | That's why you do: local CowTip, self = CowTip, CowTip in CowTip.lua? |
| 08:46.04 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel 072.2 * r47613 10Bartender3/Bartender3/ (9 files): |
| 08:46.04 | CIA-14 | Bartender3: |
| 08:46.04 | CIA-14 | - split BarClass.lua into Bar.lua, ActionBar.lua, SpecialBar.lua |
| 08:46.04 | CIA-14 | - renaming of the other Class files |
| 08:46.05 | pb_ee1 | PS: Is it really interesting to do that? |
| 08:46.29 | ckknight | interesting? |
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| 08:47.54 | pb_ee1 | For performance. |
| 08:48.17 | pb_ee1 | I'm trying to get some info on this in the official documentation but it doesn't seem to talk about it |
| 08:48.53 | pb_ee1 | I thought the "global" CowTip was a simple reference (pointer) anyway, thus not making any difference with locals |
| 08:48.54 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, I think I remember you saying that bartender4 will not use actionids, any followups on that ? |
| 08:49.35 | nevcairiel | i scratched it because of missing API support |
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| 08:51.11 | ckknight | pb_ee1: globals require an environment check (to get the global table) and then a table access |
| 08:51.31 | pb_ee1 | Ok. Slower. |
| 08:51.51 | ckknight | pb_ee1: upvalues are stored in registers at fixed positions |
| 08:52.33 | ckknight | technically, they both reference the same pointer |
| 08:52.46 | pb_ee1 | "An access to a global variable x is equivalent to _env.x, which in turn is equivalent to gettable_event(_env, "x") (...)" |
| 08:52.49 | ckknight | but accessing said pointer is "harder" if it's a global |
| 08:52.54 | Nickenyfiken | What about use of self if self = MyAddon and MyAddon is not a upvalue? |
| 08:53.07 | pb_ee1 | Yup i understand |
| 08:53.40 | ckknight | Nickenyfiken: well, the first access is a global, subsequent accesses are upvalues |
| 08:53.57 | pb_ee1 | It's just a pain in the ass to do: my_var and then local my_var = my_var |
| 08:54.10 | pb_ee1 | Sounds stupid |
| 08:54.27 | ckknight | I'm gonna go back to my x-files |
| 08:54.36 | pb_ee1 | Good luck :p (and thanks) |
| 08:56.26 | Nickenyfiken | local _G = _G |
| 08:56.28 | Nickenyfiken | local Joker = _G.Joker |
| 08:56.29 | Jaxon | Oh man, my UI is not very good at letting me know when shit is going bad during the Shartuul's Transporter event. |
| 08:56.43 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel 072.2 * r47614 10Bartender3/Bartender3/ (Bartender3.toc Button.lua): Bartender3: some tweaks to the button code |
| 08:56.47 | Fisker- | bah |
| 08:56.47 | Nickenyfiken | When do you have to use _G? |
| 08:57.02 | Fisker- | at the current rate of of skillups i might as well go level fishing |
| 08:57.03 | nevcairiel | to save one initial table lookup |
| 08:57.15 | ckknight | because local Joker = _G.Joker is faster than local Joker = Joker |
| 08:57.19 | ckknight | if _G is a local |
| 08:57.37 | ckknight | since accessing Joker requires an environment check whereas accessing _G.Joker doesn't |
| 08:59.05 | Nickenyfiken | OK, but if you never used _G you could just do local Joker = Joker right? |
| 09:00.39 | ckknight | yea |
| 09:00.58 | kaiden | *yawn* |
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| 09:13.16 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, most of the API is fine (late reply I know) |
| 09:13.23 | cncfanatics | it does lack a bit, but u can get around it |
| 09:13.29 | cncfanatics | and they're adding stuff in 2.3 for it too :) |
| 09:13.54 | Fisker- | just QQ to slouken? :P |
| 09:15.39 | cncfanatics | I am |
| 09:15.42 | cncfanatics | he's adding stuff slowly |
| 09:15.57 | cncfanatics | what I still hate is that neither actionbuttons nor custom secure buttons can have pet actions correctly on them |
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| 09:19.14 | orionshock | back for a bit |
| 09:19.16 | orionshock | :P |
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| 09:23.30 | cncfanatics | orionshock |
| 09:23.33 | Sole | the moon is almost half eclipsed now |
| 09:23.37 | Sole | and its got a reddish tint |
| 09:23.39 | Sole | pretty cool |
| 09:23.46 | cncfanatics | plx redownload flexbar and do /dump FlexBar2:GetModule("Attributes").StateDriverMagic; |
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| 09:24.00 | orionshock | that requires me to log in :P |
| 09:24.08 | orionshock | so hold on |
| 09:24.19 | orionshock | got to to find my non-discript druid somewhere |
| 09:28.42 | orionshock | sorry cncfanatics - it's a nil |
| 09:29.27 | Fisker- | lol |
| 09:29.34 | Fisker- | got 2 skillups in BEM in like 45 minutes |
| 09:29.56 | Fisker- | took me half an hour to find a dude in shattrath with a stack of Furious Crawdad i could cook for him |
| 09:30.16 | orionshock | and wtf? - it's hooking that call though LibJoker for some reason? |
| 09:30.17 | winkiller | stuck on 365 on 3 chars |
| 09:30.20 | winkiller | damn cooking |
| 09:30.24 | kaiden | lol just noticed the cowtip slogan.. it'll graze your pasture |
| 09:30.25 | kaiden | :P |
| 09:30.50 | Maldivia | winkiller: yeah, the last 10-15 points in cooking are annoying :) |
| 09:31.06 | kaiden | all my work lost AGAIN |
| 09:31.27 | kaiden | i got the new one today and spent like 3 hours redoing my whole ui getting it perfect.. now he breaks it again.. |
| 09:32.23 | winkiller | with bartender i normally only lose minutesof work, not hours |
| 09:32.36 | winkiller | glad I never tried anything else that might be better but less reliable :P |
| 09:32.47 | winkiller | I hate doing stuff again |
| 09:33.11 | kaiden | ckknight, awesome job on that! can't wait to see the other tooltips support that modifier too |
| 09:33.12 | kaiden | that rocks |
| 09:33.35 | ckknight | other tooltips? |
| 09:33.45 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47615 10FlexBar2/Attributes/Attributes.lua: FlexBar2: Add statedriver magic info for debugging |
| 09:34.00 | kaiden | unit / frame tooltips |
| 09:34.08 | pb_ee1 | Is there a way to hide the UI with an addon? |
| 09:34.17 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.26 | kaiden | alt z |
| 09:34.31 | orionshock | .. ya |
| 09:34.35 | orionshock | one of those buttons |
| 09:34.56 | kaiden | ckknight, yeah currently it only has the ability to turn the modifier on for Non-unit frames |
| 09:34.57 | pb_ee1 | "with an addon" |
| 09:35.05 | kaiden | ckknight, donation incoming :) |
| 09:35.07 | kaiden | thanks a ton |
| 09:35.14 | pb_ee1 | I know how to hide the UI manually ;p |
| 09:35.19 | ckknight | srsly? I thought I had it working for unit frames |
| 09:35.24 | ckknight | I'll take a look |
| 09:35.27 | ckknight | thanks, btw |
| 09:35.34 | Maldivia | pb_ee1: UIParent:Hide() |
| 09:35.48 | pb_ee1 | That's so simple? rofl |
| 09:35.52 | kaiden | ckknight, what's your paypal address? it's not in my paypal anymore |
| 09:35.53 | pb_ee1 | Thanks, Maldivia |
| 09:36.01 | kaiden | n/m yes it is |
| 09:36.01 | ckknight | ckknight at gmail |
| 09:37.27 | mitch0-zZ | kaiden: what's that modifier you're talking about? |
| 09:37.50 | kaiden | mitch0, modifier keys for tooltips |
| 09:37.56 | kaiden | to only show them when you are holding down a modifier |
| 09:38.03 | mitch0 | ah |
| 09:38.07 | kaiden | add's to my love of minimalism |
| 09:41.57 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47616 10FlexBar2/Attributes/Attributes.lua: FlexBar2: Fixed a bug with druid stealthed cat form |
| 09:42.10 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 09:42.16 | Fisker- | a MMO porn game |
| 09:43.02 | kaiden | LOL |
| 09:43.18 | kaiden | isn't that what 90% of mmo's are that aren't american made? |
| 09:43.25 | kaiden | i mean.. have you seen dark elves in lineage 2? |
| 09:43.42 | cncfanatics | kaidenn |
| 09:43.47 | cncfanatics | you really do made that are american |
| 09:43.50 | cncfanatics | not that aren't american |
| 09:43.57 | kaiden | ... |
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| 09:44.01 | kaiden | i didn't understand that |
| 09:44.02 | kaiden | sorry |
| 09:45.19 | kaiden | what did you mean cnc? |
| 09:45.46 | cncfanatics | isn't that what 90% of mmo's are that aren't american made? |
| 09:45.56 | cncfanatics | s/aren't american/are american/ |
| 09:45.58 | kaiden | yeah.. i mean't that aren't american |
| 09:46.02 | kaiden | no |
| 09:46.56 | theoddone33 | eve online is total porn |
| 09:47.10 | kaiden | never played it |
| 09:47.33 | theoddone33 | it's all space ships, heh |
| 09:48.05 | theoddone33 | made in iceland I think? |
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| 09:49.39 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather baesj |
| 09:49.50 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Baesj, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (8/5/48). 10347 HP; 8451 Armour; 1594 AP; 209.2 Melee DPS; 24.17% melee crit; 102 melee hit; 7.49% dodge; 10.8% block; 73 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 2727 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2479ww ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2qpbe8 ][ Updated: Tue Aug 28 05:59:56 2007 ]] |
| 09:50.37 | cncfanatics | ur not in prot gear Ih ope ? |
| 09:50.53 | cncfanatics | guessing thats arena |
| 09:50.59 | cncfanatics | !c eu khadgar evolve |
| 09:51.07 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Evolve, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (0/49/12). 13147 HP; 4428 Mana; 81 mana regen; 16127 Armour; 596 AP; 88.1 Melee DPS; 5.65% melee crit; 15 spell crit; 245 +spell dmg/heal; 287 defense; 19.32% dodge; 20.91% block; 31 resilience;[[ TBR: 1893 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2bl7uf ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/36eekt ][ Updated: Tue Aug 28 06:01:15 2007 ]] |
| 09:51.16 | Pkekyo | cncfanatics: 2h dps gear |
| 09:51.27 | kaiden | !c us KhazModan Jasti |
| 09:51.34 | ThraeBot | kaiden: Jasti is not the character you are looking for! |
| 09:51.38 | kaiden | blah |
| 09:51.42 | kaiden | !c us Khaz Modan Jasti |
| 09:51.50 | ThraeBot | kaiden: Jasti, Level 69 Gnome Mage (0/0/60). 6106 HP; 7843 Mana; 195 mana regen; 4 mp5; 154 spell crit; 457 +spell dmg/heal; 4.99% dodge; 10 arcane resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1391 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2bxch4 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2w7lks ][ Updated: Tue Aug 28 06:01:57 2007 ]] |
| 09:52.02 | kaiden | my gimperdoodle mage |
| 09:52.46 | Nickenyfiken | !c Outland Trollfager |
| 09:53.00 | Nickenyfiken | !c eu Outland Trollfager |
| 09:53.08 | ThraeBot | Nickenyfiken: Trollfager, Level 70 Troll Shaman (0/42/19). 7309 HP; 6560 Mana; 125 mana regen; 24 mp5; 4614 Armour; 1300 AP; 181 Melee DPS; 25.33% melee crit; 207 melee hit; 12.91% dodge; 5% block;[[ TBR: 1618 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/25ye2m ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2q8n6d ][ Updated: Tue Aug 28 06:03:16 2007 ]] |
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| 10:09.28 | Sole | I just spend 30 minutes staring at the moon |
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| 10:11.53 | kaiden | did you change into a werewolf? :p |
| 10:12.00 | Fisker- | in related news i spent 30 minutes mooning you |
| 10:12.05 | kaiden | haha |
| 10:12.16 | kaiden | that couldn't have been executed better |
| 10:12.18 | Fisker- | be afraid |
| 10:13.46 | kaiden | ckknight, ooh just had another great idea |
| 10:14.11 | kaiden | that modifier key, make a check box or radio button under it to allow you to use it as a modifier or as a toggle and allow key combinations instead |
| 10:14.23 | kaiden | that way people can turn it off with a simple click of a button combo and turn it back on when they want |
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| 10:17.20 | kaiden | ckknight, also slight bug with it, when hovering over unit tooltips it does work for certain fields, ie the tooltip itself should disappear but doesn't with the modifier key, however the health bars do |
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| 10:18.01 | Tinyboom | ok, this is starting to bug me... every time I enable all the libs my game crash with error132... disable all mods - game works... |
| 10:18.14 | kaiden | go 1 by 1 and figure out which is doing it |
| 10:18.26 | Tinyboom | working on it |
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| 10:22.12 | CIA-14 | 03nickenyfiken * r47617 10FuBar_TrainerFu/ (TrainerFu_Options.lua TrainerFu_VisitTrainer.lua): FuBar_TrainerFu: made TrainerFu local in more files. |
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| 10:28.19 | CIA-14 | 03daviesh * r47618 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/burningcrusade.en.lua: |
| 10:28.19 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
| 10:28.19 | CIA-14 | -Added Ring of Fabled Hope |
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| 10:30.29 | the-golem | hello all |
| 10:32.11 | the-golem | silly question here, but i noticed that all of the ace2 addons i downloaded have the ace2 libs in them ... can't i just have them point to the main library, and not have duplicates in every addon i've downloaded? |
| 10:32.19 | orionshock | :P |
| 10:33.54 | orionshock | the-golem: what your looking for is called .."with out Externals" or disembeded |
| 10:34.07 | kaiden | hrm.. that's odd.. i just finished blades edge, and i never got the quest that sends me to kill the ogres near the skettis mobs that eventually turns into that Son of Gruuloc quest |
| 10:34.08 | the-golem | aah |
| 10:34.10 | the-golem | i see |
| 10:34.13 | kaiden | or whatever it is |
| 10:34.19 | Sole | BLOOD RED MOON!! |
| 10:34.26 | the-golem | kaiden: thanks |
| 10:34.27 | the-golem | er |
| 10:34.32 | the-golem | orionshock : rather |
| 10:34.34 | Sole | its cool as hell |
| 10:35.05 | orionshock | sole - i got my BiNokulars to look at it :D |
| 10:35.13 | the-golem | :-O |
| 10:35.17 | the-golem | blood red? |
| 10:35.18 | orionshock | & ya it's cool |
| 10:35.36 | orionshock | >.> how do emotes? |
| 10:35.46 | Jaxon | Probably /me with most clients |
| 10:35.55 | orionshock | >.> -- that was it |
| 10:35.57 | Nargiddley | totally cloudy here >< |
| 10:36.10 | the-golem | wow |
| 10:36.13 | the-golem | lunar eclipse |
| 10:36.24 | Nargiddley | could see it for a while now and then before it was a full eclipse, but nothing now :/ |
| 10:36.31 | kaiden | i think Fisker may have just pulled up his pants |
| 10:36.39 | Sole | I dont believe it |
| 10:36.42 | the-golem | got scared for a minute |
| 10:36.59 | the-golem | was all *apocolypse!* *hides under desk* |
| 10:37.49 | Sole | lol |
| 10:38.06 | orionshock | ckknight: u still alive? |
| 10:38.53 | Fisker- | lol wtf |
| 10:38.58 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272360384&sid=1 |
| 10:38.59 | Fisker- | hahaha |
| 10:39.56 | harldephin | wuff |
| 10:40.05 | Fisker- | i hope Automation doesn't use the stand "emote" |
| 10:40.48 | baer_ | btw, anyone plays moonkin here? |
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| 10:43.07 | orionshock | Fisker-: i belive it uses the API command and produces no in game emote |
| 10:43.46 | Fisker- | neither does /stand |
| 10:43.58 | orionshock | hehe.. well .. |
| 10:44.01 | Fisker- | that's what so screwed up about it |
| 10:44.16 | orionshock | i .. "/stand" ... corrected |
| 10:44.26 | cncfanatics | orionshock |
| 10:44.27 | Fisker- | banned for excessive usage of /stand |
| 10:44.39 | orionshock | yes cncfanatics |
| 10:45.06 | kaiden | ding 70 |
| 10:45.07 | cncfanatics | could you /dump FlexBar2:GetModule("Attributes").StateDriverMagic; again with the latest version ? |
| 10:45.41 | kaiden | that makes uhm... #7 :/ |
| 10:45.42 | kaiden | lol |
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| 10:50.23 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47619 10FlexBar2/Attributes/Attributes.lua: FlexBar2: Stealthed cat form now uses its own state ID |
| 10:51.08 | Sole | kaiden: which class have you found the easiest/most enjoyable to level? |
| 10:51.51 | kaiden | hrm.. well that depends on if you mean when i'm dual boxing / 3 boxing.. or just solo |
| 10:51.56 | winkiller | lol |
| 10:51.58 | kaiden | solo by far the hunter but i've only gotten him to 47 |
| 10:52.08 | kaiden | dual boxing i'd say warlock / priest |
| 10:52.13 | winkiller | hunter is so expensive |
| 10:52.19 | kaiden | mage is pretty spiff too lots of fun |
| 10:52.20 | winkiller | warlock is much cheaper to level |
| 10:53.35 | kaiden | it seriously does completely depend on whether you are dual boxing or not.. as i really dont enjoy solo'ing though the hunter has taught me to enjoy it again |
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| 10:54.01 | winkiller | I don't think I'd have fun dualboxing |
| 10:54.03 | Jaxon | I should look into that now that I have a computer that can dual box. |
| 10:54.08 | Jaxon | It seems like fun. |
| 10:54.12 | winkiller | how do you accept quests, bte? |
| 10:54.30 | kaiden | i have multiple computers, with a mouse / keyboard sharing app between them |
| 10:54.37 | kaiden | that allows me to quickly shift to a different computer |
| 10:54.57 | kaiden | ie i tap my left side of my screen to jump to the computer on the left, or right side to jump to the comp on the right |
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| 10:55.15 | winkiller | ah ok |
| 10:55.25 | winkiller | and how do youmove? |
| 10:55.39 | winkiller | read some articled, but never gotten the grasp how it hould work in a useful way? |
| 10:55.43 | winkiller | -? |
| 10:55.49 | kaiden | uhm.. i move like you move heh |
| 10:55.52 | kaiden | by moving |
| 10:55.53 | kaiden | :P |
| 10:56.00 | winkiller | keypresses mirrored? |
| 10:56.02 | kaiden | no |
| 10:56.06 | kaiden | it's called /follow |
| 10:56.06 | kaiden | LOL |
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| 10:56.48 | winkiller | only /follow? hmk |
| 10:56.52 | kaiden | i'm not one of those xzin guys.. i actually play all of my characters |
| 10:56.57 | kaiden | i use no macros nothing.. |
| 10:57.30 | kaiden | winkiller, i think you are attempting to make it far more confusing than it is |
| 10:57.39 | kaiden | winkiller, imagine having 2 computers side by side with wow running |
| 10:57.45 | kaiden | each has it's own keyboard / mouse.. how would you play it? |
| 10:57.56 | kaiden | you would move to each keyboard / mouse when you want to do something on that specific character |
| 10:58.11 | kaiden | instead i use 1 keyboard / mouse and use an app to allow me to jump between the computers with my mouse |
| 10:58.19 | kaiden | to switch which computer is my current one for that keyboard / mouse |
| 10:58.25 | winkiller | but then everything takes twice as long |
| 10:58.35 | kaiden | so.. i put my priest on follow to the character i'm playing |
| 10:58.39 | winkiller | I can just play them after the other on 1 comp :P |
| 10:58.46 | kaiden | why would it take twice as long? |
| 10:59.00 | winkiller | as you don't control em simultaneously with 2 hands |
| 10:59.09 | winkiller | because you have to switch |
| 10:59.11 | kaiden | yeah you dont seem to understand much ;P my priest is 70.. he isn't in the group he is just there for healing / buffing |
| 10:59.16 | winkiller | oh |
| 10:59.17 | winkiller | ok |
| 10:59.20 | kaiden | lol the switching is lightning quick |
| 10:59.33 | winkiller | well, maybe wow is too forgiving here |
| 10:59.34 | kaiden | and when i 3 box my mage / lock / priest it's easy playing both of the casters at the same time |
| 10:59.42 | kaiden | and my dps is exactly the same as if i were 2 people |
| 10:59.56 | winkiller | when I played Ragnarok Online on 2 pcs you have to spamheal like a MT on a raidboss |
| 11:00.17 | kaiden | not really sure what you mean by it's too forgiving |
| 11:00.18 | winkiller | so there's no real benefit imo |
| 11:00.31 | winkiller | you lose hp slow in solo/2man wow |
| 11:00.38 | winkiller | the mobs dont oneshot you |
| 11:00.43 | kaiden | it's called never stopping |
| 11:00.52 | winkiller | you have time to switch to priest and heal |
| 11:01.04 | kaiden | when i dual box my lock / priest i can take 10+ mobs at a time and i never rest i just continuously pull |
| 11:01.06 | kaiden | non stop |
| 11:01.34 | kaiden | i fully dot 5-10 mobs and as they die dot more and just keep heals on myself or my pet |
| 11:01.34 | winkiller | whatever suits you :) |
| 11:01.47 | winkiller | I'd just love to level up a priest with a dps class |
| 11:01.54 | kaiden | then go for it :) |
| 11:01.55 | winkiller | as I'd love to have a highlvl priest |
| 11:02.03 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47620 10FlexBar2/Attributes/Attributes.lua: FlexBar2: Stealthed cat form now uses a non-numeric state name |
| 11:02.05 | winkiller | but see not so much fun in levelling again |
| 11:02.21 | winkiller | just hit 68 yesterday the 3rd time |
| 11:02.25 | kaiden | meh my priest is 70 and mostly kara / 25 man geared |
| 11:02.28 | winkiller | and got a warrior in mid30s |
| 11:02.34 | kaiden | so he's just a healbot in my eyes |
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| 11:08.08 | the-golem | JEEZ |
| 11:08.27 | the-golem | adding them w/o externals is a pain in the ass |
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| 11:10.05 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47621 10FlexBar2/Attributes/Attributes.lua: FlexBar2: No longer need to /reload when learning new shapeshifts :) |
| 11:10.15 | cncfanatics | w00tage |
| 11:10.23 | cncfanatics | I got shapeshifts completely right now |
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| 11:16.29 | charon | ckknight: ping? |
| 11:16.40 | the-golem | hmmm |
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| 11:16.59 | the-golem | another question, does ace2 have something that lets you change your interface art? |
| 11:17.12 | orionshock | the-golem: such as? |
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| 11:17.58 | the-golem | like the hotkey gfx for example |
| 11:18.25 | orionshock | your gona have to be a bit more spcific than that, or less vauge |
| 11:19.48 | the-golem | instead of having the griffin graphic art hotkey-menu-bag container thing .. you customize your own ... maybe i can find an example of what i mean |
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| 11:20.54 | cncfanatics | xart can do that me thinks :unsure: |
| 11:20.58 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel , ping |
| 11:21.04 | orionshock | just about every action bar addon can do that |
| 11:21.21 | orionshock | *does that by default |
| 11:21.49 | orionshock | iirc xart is just a compilation of art files , no real code there |
| 11:21.51 | charon | he has a point though, none of them provides a means to _replace_ the art, just to disable it |
| 11:22.01 | charon | (none of the action bar mods) |
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| 11:22.20 | kaiden | there's a mod that was around a long time ago that does that |
| 11:22.22 | kaiden | called Squidly |
| 11:22.30 | kaiden | or squidmod or squidsomething |
| 11:23.41 | orionshock | Squidmod is at http://downloads.curse.com/details/5014/ |
| 11:23.54 | orionshock | Last Update 8 months |
| 11:24.07 | charon | the-golem: also, Skinner or eePanels might help if you're more into "modern" looking interfaces, like most of the people here seem to be |
| 11:24.21 | cncfanatics | heh, i'm into oldschool : |
| 11:24.38 | charon | :) |
| 11:24.46 | charon | 90% of the screenshots i see are eepanels style |
| 11:24.49 | the-golem | charon: thanks :-) .. i'm tryin to get my stuff a bit more centralized |
| 11:24.59 | orionshock | ok.. cncfanatics you seem to do well with tables. |
| 11:25.55 | orionshock | wondering if u'd go poke the wiki at http://www.wowace.com/wiki/User:Orionshock/Guildbank/DBStructure see what you think about some of that in relation to a GuildBank type addon :D |
| 11:26.20 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: pong |
| 11:26.25 | the-golem | http://home.comcast.net/~daelus/eePanels.jpg |
| 11:26.30 | the-golem | looks like eepanels might do what i want |
| 11:26.36 | kaiden | orionshock, wont be needed soon |
| 11:26.41 | kaiden | they are adding guild banks to the game |
| 11:26.50 | orionshock | but when is the real question |
| 11:27.08 | orionshock | besides it has other uses.. sorta >.> |
| 11:27.20 | orionshock | academic maybe |
| 11:27.31 | kaiden | well they showed off the guild bank recently, it may be in the patch today i dunno |
| 11:27.35 | kaiden | doubt it is though |
| 11:27.45 | omega | patch today? |
| 11:27.56 | Neebler | no |
| 11:28.10 | orionshock | that would be fking awsome if it was |
| 11:28.14 | the-golem | eepanels2 is most recent, right? |
| 11:28.15 | kaiden | i imagine the patch is today since the servers are going down for 6 hours |
| 11:28.39 | the-golem | sorry for all my silly questions ^^ |
| 11:28.41 | charon | drysc (?) on US forums posted it was "not today" |
| 11:28.46 | kaiden | ah |
| 11:28.48 | kaiden | well then |
| 11:28.55 | charon | :( |
| 11:29.15 | kaiden | it sucks they are going down for 6 hours :( just ding'd 70 on my lil mage and i wanna do some instances |
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| 11:33.43 | charon | any shamans around? which weapon enchant is best? (i don't have windfury yet) |
| 11:34.42 | orionshock | AH .. patch 2.2: |
| 11:34.55 | orionshock | SPAM INC:: |
| 11:34.56 | orionshock | A new feature for reporting players as being AFK in battlegrounds by right clicking has been added. When enough reports are registered, a 30 second debuff will begin to count down. Once the timer is up a new debuff will appear that will prevent the player from gaining any honor while it is on. This debuff can be negated as soon as the player engages in combat. |
| 11:35.15 | orionshock | imho - this should be a passive idea at 2mins |
| 11:35.47 | Fisker- | They should just add it when people join the game imo |
| 11:36.01 | orionshock | lol - or that |
| 11:36.38 | orionshock | lol : Dueling players may not use a Lightwell that they didn’t create themselves. |
| 11:36.44 | Fisker- | and the last debuff should just count down from 5 and give you a 30 minute deserter debuff |
| 11:37.02 | Anotherhero | Haha cool for the ones with a slow pc ;) |
| 11:37.02 | Fisker- | 5 minutes of course |
| 11:37.04 | orionshock | 30mins? thats being nice |
| 11:37.22 | orionshock | 6hrs, persists through death and pauses while loged out |
| 11:37.35 | Fisker- | well that or a GM notice so he can get banned for 3rd party programs as well |
| 11:37.35 | Fisker- | :) |
| 11:37.42 | orionshock | only cancled by zoning into an apposing faction city |
| 11:38.02 | Tinyboom | Silviu-: ping |
| 11:38.04 | Fisker- | oh and your own faction is hostile to you |
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| 11:38.07 | Fisker- | actually that would be a great idea |
| 11:38.09 | Fisker- | suggestion forums here we go |
| 11:38.13 | Silviu- | Tinyboom pong |
| 11:38.20 | Anotherhero | Anyone knows something about the IsLess() function of DogTag? |
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| 11:38.35 | nevcairiel | whats there to know? |
| 11:38.52 | Tinyboom | Silviu-: any chance of telling me where you found that "bloody" font? ;) found one, but definitely not the right one:p |
| 11:39.05 | Silviu- | Tinyboom one sec |
| 11:39.19 | Anotherhero | Well if i do IsLess(20) it says 9 is not less than 20 |
| 11:39.24 | kaiden | http://www.dafont.com/search.php?psize=m&q=Bloody |
| 11:39.28 | Silviu- | Tinyboom http://www.dafont.com/bloody.font |
| 11:39.38 | Tinyboom | Silviu-: thanks:) |
| 11:39.45 | Silviu- | Np ;) |
| 11:40.06 | Anotherhero | 100 is also less than 20 according to the IsLess function |
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| 11:40.38 | kaiden | that's called Redneck Mathmatics! |
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| 11:41.01 | Anotherhero | If you look here http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=6037.msg133242#msg133242 you might know what I mean |
| 11:42.14 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.32 | Anotherhero | Thanks gonna try it out! |
| 11:42.49 | orionshock | 2.2 Patch notes: Decreases the maximum possible stacks of Temporus' Mortal Wound from 10 to 7. |
| 11:42.51 | orionshock | FINALY |
| 11:43.06 | cncfanatics | lol |
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| 11:43.13 | cncfanatics | temporus gets a max of 0 stacks off on me anywya |
| 11:43.20 | cncfanatics | he cant get his debuff off on me with my raid t ank gear |
| 11:43.26 | orionshock | @ LOL -- noobs : The Thrall escort event now allows 20 tries at completing the event instead of 3. |
| 11:43.37 | orionshock | **LOL @ NOOBS : ... |
| 11:43.43 | Anotherhero | Hahhaha |
| 11:43.48 | Anotherhero | Like it is hard.. |
| 11:43.54 | Necrathex | it's not easy at heroic :p |
| 11:44.02 | orionshock | on heroic - ok i can see that |
| 11:44.11 | orionshock | on normal - if u can't do it in 3 give up |
| 11:44.11 | Necrathex | reaching him is the hard part on heroic though |
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| 11:44.38 | Anotherhero | Cool Orion, I get a big error when using tonumber() |
| 11:44.45 | Necrathex | is there a mod that opens all your bags at mailbox/bank/vendors? |
| 11:44.51 | orionshock | well don't use that then :D |
| 11:45.02 | Necrathex | i've been using bags&merchants but it's a bit buggy and uses a tremendous amount of RAM :x |
| 11:45.17 | Anotherhero | when using [IsMana?~IsMaxMP?PercentMP:IsLess(20)] it sees 20 as string instead of number.. so i need a way.. |
| 11:45.21 | orionshock | Necrathex: ; OneBag & Collection , and Automation |
| 11:45.49 | Necrathex | orionshock: thank you, will check those out |
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| 11:46.12 | orionshock | De.. Oops : Vindicator Aeus in the Aldor bank is no longer attackable by players who are members of the Scryer faction |
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| 11:48.20 | Necrathex | orionshock: is it possible to configure onebag to just show the standard blizzard bags though? |
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| 11:48.40 | orionshock | um , it's the intent of "ONEBAG" to show it all in one... |
| 11:48.49 | orionshock | thus when you hit a vendor it all opens |
| 11:48.51 | orionshock | :D |
| 11:49.07 | orionshock | look into OneBagPockets? i think it was called |
| 11:49.10 | Necrathex | yea, don't really like that though |
| 11:49.24 | orionshock | well your weird, that's ok Necrathex |
| 11:49.35 | the-golem | lol |
| 11:49.46 | Necrathex | can't get used to all items in one bag display sorry :p |
| 11:50.02 | [Ammo] | then don't use onebag |
| 11:50.07 | [Ammo] | because that's exactly what onebag does |
| 11:50.12 | orionshock | it's ok, if u keep using it you'll come to like it |
| 11:50.25 | the-golem | if you want the blizz bags, just use them |
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| 11:50.26 | the-golem | lol |
| 11:50.35 | baer_ | hmmm... |
| 11:50.38 | Necrathex | just looking for something that opens up all the blizzard bags when needed |
| 11:50.47 | baer_ | for balance druids is Int > Spelldmg > Spellcrt ? |
| 11:50.49 | the-golem | shift + b |
| 11:50.51 | kaiden | night night all |
| 11:50.53 | orionshock | look at automation it might actualy do that |
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| 11:50.57 | baer_ | n8 kaiden |
| 11:51.01 | Necrathex | the-golem: yep, that's what i use now.. |
| 11:51.11 | baer_ | or is it spelldmg > spellcrt > int ? |
| 11:51.42 | the-golem | you want some spirit in there too |
| 11:51.48 | Necrathex | can't find automation on svn/wowinterface/google |
| 11:51.57 | the-golem | gotta have that mana regen ^^ |
| 11:52.16 | baer_ | the-golem: +spirit for balance? |
| 11:52.32 | Mecdemort_ | bah still no patch? |
| 11:52.55 | Necrathex | any link to automation? :) |
| 11:53.43 | orionshock | dosn't seem that automation has it |
| 11:54.06 | orionshock | if u give me bout 5mins i can prolly whip up some crap of a script that'll work... maybe |
| 11:54.11 | charon | i think you mean Automaton :) |
| 11:54.15 | orionshock | wow servers just went down so it's all dry coded |
| 11:54.45 | charon | which is a nice addon anyway since it does a lot of needless clicks for you |
| 11:54.53 | charon | argh my english sucks today |
| 11:54.54 | Necrathex | well, there is this addon called bags_and_merchants |
| 11:55.01 | charon | s/needless/unneeded/ |
| 11:55.07 | Necrathex | but i don't see why it needs 8MB to run :S |
| 11:57.11 | charon | Necrathex: you could try ArkInventory, it allows you to split your stuff by arbitrary rules instead of the normal bags |
| 11:57.29 | cncfanatics | hmmmmz orionshock |
| 11:57.38 | cncfanatics | think it'd be a good idea to give all stances a name ? |
| 11:57.41 | cncfanatics | instead of a number |
| 11:58.16 | Necrathex | charon: isn't that baggings that does that? |
| 11:58.18 | orionshock | sure |
| 11:58.33 | orionshock | Necrathex: try this, and others correct my syntax as it's prolly fubard |
| 11:58.35 | Necrathex | tried it but can't get used to it |
| 11:58.39 | orionshock | local frame = CreateFrame( "frame", "OpenAllBags", UIParent) |
| 11:58.40 | orionshock | frame:RegisterEvent("MERCHANT_SHOW") |
| 11:58.42 | orionshock | frame:SetScript{"OnEvent", function() OpenAllBags() end) |
| 11:58.56 | orionshock | ok last line { => ( |
| 11:59.16 | Necrathex | orionshock: cool thanks ;) |
| 11:59.39 | orionshock | hell - could even make a macro, switch frame to just f |
| 12:00.22 | charon | Necrathex: don't know, haven't tried baggins. but ArkInventory definitely does it, and also pops up the bags whenever needed (configurable) |
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| 12:03.05 | charon | are there any free windows IRC clients that are _not_ brain-dead? like, have support for encodings other than the system default and such? |
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| 12:03.35 | Necrathex | charon: try a free build of x-chat for windows |
| 12:03.38 | sica | charon: xchat? |
| 12:04.00 | Necrathex | or bersirc |
| 12:04.01 | Jaxon | irssi? |
| 12:04.05 | orionshock | wha, chatzilla not working for ya? |
| 12:04.49 | Hjalte | orionshock, if firefox crashes so does chatzilla. that's what i find irritating about it at least. |
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| 12:05.18 | orionshock | well if firefox is crashing.,.. usualy other things went wrong.. |
| 12:05.25 | orionshock | & u know what they say.. Shit happens |
| 12:05.33 | charon | thanks, will try chatzilla |
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| 12:06.11 | orionshock | !c us cyclone Atradies |
| 12:06.31 | orionshock | ThraeBot: u home? |
| 12:07.08 | the-golem | i gave up and use the irc protocol for miranda |
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| 12:07.31 | the-golem | but i used x-chat forever |
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| 12:08.01 | orionshock | well 5 am, ortho apt in 4hrs; need to get some zz'z |
| 12:08.04 | charon | charon_: test |
| 12:08.15 | orionshock | good night new york, and see yall laters |
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| 12:12.06 | the-golem | Necrathex: incase you havent found it yet |
| 12:12.07 | the-golem | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Automaton |
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| 12:15.53 | CC--home | was 2.2 patch released? |
| 12:16.21 | Mecdemort | not so far |
| 12:16.34 | CIA-14 | 03pb_ee1 * r47625 10ChatLog/ChatLog.lua: ChatLog: Removing link on monster name when recieving a monster /tell. [DRYCODED] |
| 12:16.41 | Matrix110 | it wont come this week |
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| 12:18.25 | Necrathex | the-golem: ty, but i found it ;) |
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| 12:19.30 | Mikk | ~botsnack |
| 12:19.30 | purl | :), Mikk |
| 12:19.40 | [Liquidor] | uhm |
| 12:20.01 | [Liquidor] | /script for showing texture name of your mouseover? |
| 12:20.15 | Mikk | not possible |
| 12:20.25 | nevcairiel | not? |
| 12:20.34 | Mikk | unless you have something scanning all disible frames and all their textures and compare coordinates |
| 12:20.34 | [Liquidor] | well not character texture, frame textures |
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| 12:20.51 | Mikk | disible = visible |
| 12:21.02 | [Liquidor] | okay then, the frame your mouse is hovering? |
| 12:21.02 | nevcairiel | disible! |
| 12:21.11 | nevcairiel | GetMouseFocus() |
| 12:21.36 | nevcairiel | if that frame has EnableMouse = true |
| 12:21.52 | Mikk | otherwise you're back to comparing coords to all frames |
| 12:21.59 | Mikk | iriel's devtools does that nicely tho |
| 12:22.02 | Mikk | ~devtools |
| 12:22.03 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 12:22.14 | kenlyric | disible = the quality or state of being capable of dissing and or being dissed. |
| 12:22.26 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 12:22.34 | [Liquidor] | it's okay. they are mouseenabled so just using /script message(GetMouseFocus():GetName()); |
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| 12:23.16 | kenlyric | For Sat: Dead Like Me Season 1. Rock! |
| 12:23.57 | CIA-14 | 03bayi * r47626 10beql/ (12 files in 2 dirs): |
| 12:23.57 | CIA-14 | beql: |
| 12:23.57 | CIA-14 | - Core: Ver 0.89 |
| 12:23.57 | CIA-14 | - Locales: Added locales for options |
| 12:23.57 | CIA-14 | - Locales: added temp localisations to the locale files |
| 12:23.58 | CIA-14 | - Toc: incr. Version number and added some X-Fields |
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| 12:25.04 | CIA-14 | 03lilcure * r47627 10TunnelVision/ (. Core.lua TunnelVision.toc): TunnelVision: Converted to sink instead of soar |
| 12:26.08 | Kirkburn|sleep | Mikk, poke |
| 12:26.22 | Kirkburn|sleep | You visited #wowwiki for all of 40 second >< |
| 12:26.52 | Kirkburn|sleep | Also, rawr, site is now mostly readable in monobook :) |
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| 12:36.47 | CIA-14 | 03somerset * r47628 10ChanList/ (5 files): |
| 12:36.47 | CIA-14 | ChanList version 0.3 |
| 12:36.47 | CIA-14 | - added german localization (only needed to show classes in their respective colors) |
| 12:36.47 | CIA-14 | - tabs should organize themselves much nicer now |
| 12:36.47 | CIA-14 | - fixed tabs-bug when removing 2 channels at the same tabposition |
| 12:36.48 | CIA-14 | - added notes (will be saved, but not shared with other users) |
| 12:36.54 | sb | hmm chanlist |
| 12:37.08 | sb | isnt that feature shipped with 2.2? :o |
| 12:37.37 | Neebler | or /chatwho |
| 12:37.52 | sb | graphical display :) |
| 12:38.00 | sb | fancy frames and stuff, you know :o |
| 12:40.22 | CIA-14 | 03kunda * r47629 10GridStatusHealingReduced/Locale-deDE.lua: GridStatusHealingReduced: deDE update |
| 12:41.08 | pb_ee1 | If I have some custom data to be temporarily saved during a session (thus not in SavedVariables), should I put it in <addon>.db.<myvariable> or <addon>.<myvariable>? |
| 12:41.50 | pb_ee1 | (local won't work for what i want to do) |
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| 12:47.14 | cncfanatics | make a global then |
| 12:47.15 | CIA-14 | 03lilcure * r47630 10TunnelVision/ (Core.lua TunnelVision.toc): TunnelVision: Small code changes, converted SharedMedia to a embedded lib |
| 12:47.19 | cncfanatics | but dont use saved vars :p |
| 12:47.25 | cncfanatics | <addon>.var |
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| 12:50.11 | pb_ee1 | Thanks, cncfanatics |
| 12:50.24 | Shirik | there's nothing wrong with saved vars |
| 12:50.36 | [Ammo] | there is if you only want it for this session |
| 12:50.38 | pb_ee1 | I know, but I don't need this data to be saved |
| 12:50.44 | Shirik | oh, yes there is |
| 12:50.48 | Shirik | helps to read |
| 12:50.52 | mikma | *wah wah* proximo gives me an babble error wah wah |
| 12:51.03 | pb_ee1 | And I don't want to use globals, thus <addon>.var seems ok |
| 12:51.05 | [Ammo] | complain on forums mikma |
| 12:51.09 | [Ammo] | proximo = grayhoof = no hanging out here |
| 12:51.13 | Shirik | addon.varname is fine |
| 12:51.21 | Shirik | please don't use a global |
| 12:51.26 | pb_ee1 | I won't :p |
| 12:51.32 | mikma | [Ammoo]: well i was thinking of fixing it :P |
| 12:51.50 | pb_ee1 | purl, globals are the worse thing on earth |
| 12:51.51 | purl | pb_ee1: okay |
| 12:51.56 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, ping |
| 12:52.09 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: i ponged you earlier, but you ignored meh! |
| 12:52.14 | cncfanatics | sry |
| 12:52.16 | cncfanatics | was away |
| 12:52.19 | Shirik | nevcairiel: That's cause nobody likes you |
| 12:52.21 | pb_ee1 | purl, globals are also an evil thing that kills one rabbit each time it is used |
| 12:52.22 | purl | okay, pb_ee1 |
| 12:52.23 | Shirik | you're too local |
| 12:52.28 | cncfanatics | nev, why does bt need a relog when learning new states ? its silly |
| 12:52.28 | [Ammo] | mikma: if it's a grayhoof adodn it's probably locked down on svn |
| 12:52.29 | Shirik | You wish you were global like me |
| 12:52.34 | [Ammo] | mikma: so your efforts will be in vain |
| 12:52.40 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: because i am lazy |
| 12:52.46 | Mecdemort | if pcall returns false it's 2nd value is the error message right? |
| 12:52.48 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, 2 lines of code :/ |
| 12:52.52 | Shirik | Mecdemort: yes |
| 12:52.56 | [Ammo] | lazy > 2 lines |
| 12:52.59 | mikma | [Ammo]: that bastard. |
| 12:53.01 | cncfanatics | one even self:RegisterEvent("LEARNED_SPELL_IN_TAB", "SetShapeshiftStates"); |
| 12:53.04 | [Ammo] | Mecdemort: yes |
| 12:53.05 | Shirik | same as loadstring |
| 12:53.14 | Mecdemort | and it shouldnt return a table if said first value is false right? |
| 12:53.25 | Shirik | in theory |
| 12:53.46 | Shirik | this is why assert(pcall(assert(loadstring(str)))) works |
| 12:53.47 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: i was too lazy to lookup the event, but thats not it i think, there is one specific for shapeshifts |
| 12:53.47 | [Ammo] | if first value is true, subsequent values are the original returns from the function you called with pcall |
| 12:54.04 | Shirik | Right but if it's false, there's no good reason for it to be a table, afaicr |
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| 12:54.44 | Mecdemort | ok goodie |
| 12:54.56 | cncfanatics | cant find any for shapeshifts nevcairiel |
| 12:55.04 | Shirik | why? one would assume you're getting a table with a first return value of false |
| 12:55.10 | Shirik | if you're asking these questions |
| 12:55.27 | Mecdemort | no im just trying to simplify my error checking |
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| 12:56.38 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: UPDATE_SHAPESHIFT_FORMS probably |
| 12:56.47 | nevcairiel | lemme create a lvl 1 rogue and level to 2 :P |
| 12:57.04 | Mecdemort | and as long as a table wont be returned with false, all i need to do is check if the 2nd value is a table ;p |
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| 12:57.42 | Shirik | it always returns a table if the function succeeded? |
| 12:58.08 | Mecdemort | no |
| 12:58.13 | cncfanatics | UPDATE_SHAPESHIFT_FORMS triggers when you change form nevcairiel |
| 12:58.23 | Shirik | then wouldn't that imply you can't rely on that? |
| 12:58.29 | the-golem | bah |
| 12:59.07 | Mecdemort | return type(select(2, pcall(loadstring("return "..v)))) == 'table'end |
| 12:59.20 | Shirik | don't do that |
| 12:59.31 | Shirik | is "v" user-supplied? |
| 12:59.37 | Mecdemort | yup |
| 12:59.45 | Shirik | then you need to verify the loadstring works too |
| 12:59.52 | Shirik | in fact, there's no reason pcall should fail |
| 13:00.06 | Shirik | well unless v is a function call |
| 13:00.19 | cncfanatics | how is the main b lizz frame called again ? |
| 13:00.27 | Shirik | let us assume I gave you something like "$%#&@#" for v |
| 13:00.40 | Shirik | that would generate an error, pcall would not catch it |
| 13:00.44 | Shirik | you would get "Attempt to call a nil value" |
| 13:01.14 | Mecdemort | pcall catches it |
| 13:01.20 | Shirik | no, it doesn't |
| 13:01.30 | Mecdemort | it just did |
| 13:01.34 | Shirik | lua> return type(select(2,pcall(loadstring("return #*$(@*#$")))) |
| 13:01.35 | cladbot | Shirik: string |
| 13:01.50 | Mecdemort | false, "attempt to call a nil value" |
| 13:02.08 | Shirik | lua> return pcall(nil) |
| 13:02.08 | cladbot | Shirik: false, attempt to call a nil value |
| 13:02.12 | Shirik | since when does pcall do that |
| 13:02.18 | Mecdemort | thats the point of pcall |
| 13:02.21 | Shirik | no it's not |
| 13:02.29 | Shirik | pcall calls a function in a protected environment |
| 13:02.32 | Shirik | not guards against itself |
| 13:02.54 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: it does trigger for a new form as well tho. |
| 13:03.21 | Mecdemort | loadstring returns a function which pcall calls |
| 13:03.31 | Shirik | loadstring does not return a function |
| 13:03.32 | Shirik | it returns nil |
| 13:03.39 | Shirik | lua> loadstring("return #@*(#@%") |
| 13:03.39 | cladbot | Shirik: nil, [string "return #@*(#@%"]:1: unexpected symbol near '@', |
| 13:03.52 | krka | it returns a function or nil |
| 13:03.55 | krka | so you're both right |
| 13:03.57 | Shirik | but in this case, krka |
| 13:04.00 | Shirik | that's what I'm talking about |
| 13:04.27 | krka | right, you lose the error message if you do it like that |
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| 13:04.44 | Shirik | pcall used to throw an error when you passed it nil |
| 13:04.46 | Shirik | that's interesting |
| 13:04.52 | Shirik | still, you shouldn't be passing it nil anyway |
| 13:05.21 | Shirik | local f, e = loadstring("return "..v) |
| 13:06.01 | Shirik | if not f then return false; end local _, t = pcall(f); |
| 13:06.19 | Shirik | this way you not only guard against that, you also avoid the slow select |
| 13:07.14 | Shirik | That's amusing, because if you tried to give lua_pcall a nil value, I'm fairly certain it throws an error |
| 13:07.58 | krka | > = pcall() |
| 13:07.59 | krka | stdin:1: bad argument #1 to 'pcall' (value expected) |
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| 13:08.10 | krka | = pcall(nil) returns false |
| 13:08.20 | Shirik | yeah I noticed that |
| 13:08.30 | krka | similar to type and tonumber though |
| 13:08.34 | Hjalte | So what is eePanels2 like? |
| 13:08.35 | Shirik | but I know I've had this question pop up before |
| 13:08.44 | Shirik | where someone would be pcalling() and then getting an error thrown |
| 13:08.48 | Shirik | and it was because they were passing it nil |
| 13:08.52 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 13:09.37 | Shirik | Mecdemort, two things |
| 13:09.45 | Necrathex | any way to easily move the bag anchor point? |
| 13:09.47 | Shirik | First off, don't use select since you don't have to. It's slow and sucks at performance. |
| 13:10.04 | Mecdemort | its slower than creating 2 local variables? |
| 13:10.20 | Shirik | it has to anyway |
| 13:10.23 | Shirik | tuples are immutable |
| 13:10.35 | krka | Mecdemort: much much slower |
| 13:10.41 | krka | you don't really "create" local variables |
| 13:10.47 | Shirik | mhm |
| 13:10.48 | krka | they are always there |
| 13:10.52 | Mecdemort | hmm ok |
| 13:10.59 | Mecdemort | time to go back and rework some code |
| 13:11.00 | Shirik | which is also always why you should use a local instead of a global when you can |
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| 13:11.02 | Shirik | on top of that |
| 13:11.09 | Shirik | If you're not getting a table every time |
| 13:11.17 | Shirik | I still don't see how you can just look at type(t) |
| 13:11.19 | krka | there are some reasons to use globals though |
| 13:11.27 | Shirik | krka: "when you can" ;) |
| 13:11.30 | krka | to avoid too many unnecessary upvalues |
| 13:11.41 | Shirik | ok |
| 13:11.44 | Shirik | "When you should" |
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| 13:13.53 | Shirik | well anyway, I'm going to head out |
| 13:14.05 | Shirik | Mecdemort: Rethink how you're checking that :) I'll take a look at it later if you want |
| 13:14.25 | Shirik | Not trying to be mean if that's what I sounded like; just trying to make sure you understand the implications of what you're doing |
| 13:14.52 | Mecdemort | well aside from the slow select i dont see why i shouldnt do the rest |
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| 13:16.04 | Shirik|AFK | pcall is slow too |
| 13:16.20 | Shirik|AFK | in theory you shouldn't need it as long as you assert that the value from loadstring is indeed a function |
| 13:16.27 | Shirik|AFK | seriously though, gotta go to class |
| 13:16.35 | Mecdemort | k |
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| 13:18.46 | cncfanatics | !api assert |
| 13:18.50 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_assert |
| 13:18.52 | cncfanatics | what does assert do anyway, never used it |
| 13:20.24 | Mecdemort | throws an error, which is exactly what i dont want to do |
| 13:20.48 | Mecdemort | Issues an error when the value of its argument v is false (i.e., nil or false); otherwise, returns all its arguments. message is an error message; when absent, it defaults to "assertion failed!" |
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| 13:22.41 | Wobin | >< |
| 13:22.47 | Wobin | http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/2007/08/puppeh-whistle.html |
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| 13:29.33 | Mecdemort | how would i better indicate as input validation: Table[.subtable1[.subtable2[.subtable3[...]]]] |
| 13:30.23 | nevcairiel | meh those idiots on PTR |
| 13:30.30 | nevcairiel | they killed the druid trainer in moonglade |
| 13:30.37 | nevcairiel | and where am i going to test now? |
| 13:30.50 | krka | what are you trying to test? |
| 13:31.04 | nevcairiel | learning/unlearning one shapeshift |
| 13:31.17 | nevcairiel | i am too lazy to fly to darnassus now |
| 13:32.11 | krka | isn't that rather fast and painless from moonglade? |
| 13:32.31 | Mecdemort | ok my profiling shows that select(2,...) vs local variables is more or less identical in speed |
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| 13:34.27 | krka | really? |
| 13:34.32 | krka | show the test code |
| 13:34.42 | krka | because i have had different results |
| 13:34.54 | Fisker- | nah krka the only other Cenarion Circle flightmaster is in Silithus so it goes over silithus first! |
| 13:35.48 | krka | oh, didnt know that |
| 13:35.48 | nevcairiel | meh stupid shapeshifts |
| 13:35.52 | nevcairiel | another issue :( |
| 13:35.52 | krka | i just looked at the flightmap |
| 13:35.57 | krka | but run down to felwood? |
| 13:36.11 | nevcairiel | Fisker- is lying |
| 13:36.18 | nevcairiel | there is a direct light to darnassus |
| 13:36.26 | Fisker- | of course? |
| 13:36.27 | Undine | woe is me, cannot connect :( |
| 13:36.28 | cladhaire | lua> function r() return 1,2,3,4,5,6; local s = os.clock() for i=1,1e5 do local a,b,c,d,e,f = r() end; print(os.clock() - s) |
| 13:36.28 | Anotherhero | Free even |
| 13:36.29 | cladbot | cladhaire: sandbox.lua:260: Compilation failed: [string "function r() return 1,2,3,4,5,6; local s = os.clock() for i=1,1..."]:1: 'end' expected near 'local' |
| 13:36.34 | Fisker- | i always thought obvious trolls are obvious |
| 13:36.41 | cladhaire | lua> function r() return 1,2,3,4,5,6 end; local s = os.clock() for i=1,1e5 do local a,b,c,d,e,f = r() end; print(os.clock() - s) |
| 13:36.45 | cladbot | cladhaire: 2.4296875 |
| 13:36.56 | Fisker- | what's os.clock? |
| 13:37.03 | cladhaire | lua> function r() return 1,2,3,4,5,6 end; local s = os.clock() for i=1,1e5 do local f = select(6, r()) end; print(os.clock() - s) |
| 13:37.07 | cladbot | cladhaire: 2.546875 |
| 13:37.15 | Mecdemort | krka: http://ace.pastey.net/72849 |
| 13:37.33 | cladhaire | Mecdemort: There's absolutely a difference between the two, namely the cost of the function call |
| 13:38.45 | nevcairiel | i wish i could ban people from the PTR |
| 13:38.46 | Pkekyo | is there any way to interpret a hard, stinging pain every time you inhale as something positive? if you got anything: share plx |
| 13:38.49 | nevcairiel | they just killed him again |
| 13:38.50 | nevcairiel | wtf is that |
| 13:38.59 | nevcairiel | go test something useful |
| 13:39.02 | nevcairiel | dont waste my time |
| 13:39.19 | Mecdemort | testing it on wow, the times are either equal or +-3% of each other with either being slower/faster |
| 13:39.22 | cladhaire | Mecdemort: You can't profile like that.. |
| 13:39.28 | cladhaire | that's now how profiling _works_ |
| 13:39.34 | Pkekyo | cncfanatics: here? |
| 13:39.37 | cladhaire | unless you're just trying to get the net effect. |
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| 13:39.44 | Mecdemort | thats the point isnt it? |
| 13:39.53 | krka | http://pastey.net/72851 |
| 13:40.00 | cladhaire | no, not when we're discussing the relative cost of select versus local args |
| 13:40.04 | krka | my results: 1.23 |
| 13:40.07 | cladhaire | the cost of the pcall and loadstring() completely erradicate any difference between the two methods. |
| 13:40.08 | krka | vs 2.12 |
| 13:40.17 | krka | fairly dramatic, imo |
| 13:40.21 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 13:40.41 | cladhaire | that's a more reasonable example, because it doesn't have anythign else muddling the results. |
| 13:40.43 | Mecdemort | alright let me just see the 2 then |
| 13:40.44 | krka | and i tried to get rid of as many disturbing factors as possible |
| 13:40.56 | krka | even localized select |
| 13:41.00 | cladhaire | profiling is a dangerous game.. i could find a way to convince you of anything using bad profiling :P |
| 13:41.26 | krka | with facts, you can prove things that are even remotely true |
| 13:42.34 | krka | ah, this was the quote i was going for: |
| 13:42.34 | krka | “Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.” |
| 13:43.23 | Hjalte | Is there any way of seeing what libraries are used in what addons? Like I want to know what addon uses x library. |
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| 13:44.50 | Mecdemort | check x-embeds in the .toc |
| 13:45.13 | Mecdemort | err nvm |
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| 13:49.48 | CIA-14 | 03mecdemort * r47631 10TableInspector/Core.lua: TableInspector: - Clicking a blank space will no longer throw an error. |
| 13:53.25 | Fisker- | Isn't Al'ar considered the hardest boss in TK currently? |
| 13:53.33 | Mecdemort | lawl? |
| 13:53.57 | nevcairiel | when i am in an loop like "for i,v in ipairs(table) do" can i table.remove inside that loop without breakage? |
| 13:54.01 | Mecdemort | al'ar is easy, keal'thas is a bitch no matter how many times you do it |
| 13:54.34 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: No, you can do it in pairs() but not ipairs() iirc |
| 13:54.35 | Fisker- | well as far as i heard it was Void Reaver->Astromancer->Kael'Thas->Al'ar |
| 13:54.42 | Fisker- | where Al'ar and Kael'Thas was close to each other |
| 13:54.56 | Mecdemort | no, al'ar is deffinitly easy |
| 13:54.59 | CIA-14 | 03samuelcup * r47632 10beql/locales/localization-cn.lua: beql: - zhCN updated |
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| 13:55.05 | Fisker- | weird |
| 13:55.14 | Fisker- | have they changed him or something like that? |
| 13:55.25 | Fisker- | because i know a guild who totally skipped him until they started on Kael'Thas |
| 13:56.15 | Mecdemort | dont think so |
| 13:56.27 | nevcairiel | cladhaire: doesnt seem to work either, it seems to skip the last value in the table .. |
| 13:56.38 | nevcairiel | or maybe not |
| 13:56.41 | cladhaire | what do you mean? |
| 13:58.12 | cladhaire | > t = {1,2,3,4} |
| 13:58.12 | cladhaire | > max = #t |
| 13:58.12 | cladhaire | > for k,v in pairs(t) do if type(k) == "number" and k >= 1 and k <= max then t[k] = nil end end |
| 13:58.26 | Pkekyo | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=612762575&postId=6121881347&sid=1#15 !!! |
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| 13:58.37 | Pkekyo | err, scroll to the top of that thread |
| 13:58.45 | Pkekyo | hai ckknight and [dRaCo] |
| 13:59.44 | pb_ee1 | nevcairiel: no. |
| 13:59.49 | cladhaire | its a little too.. butterfly for me. |
| 13:59.59 | [dRaCo] | heya |
| 14:00.12 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: you cannot do it in ipairs, because it will just skip one every time you remove an element, but you can use what i posted to accomplish the same thing, essentially |
| 14:00.45 | Pkekyo | cladhaire: agreed, but atleast it's something original....and the name of it is awesome :> (full name, that is) |
| 14:00.47 | pb_ee1 | nevcairiel, actually it depends of your table :p |
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| 14:01.01 | pb_ee1 | s/of/on/ |
| 14:01.05 | krka | use for i=1,#t instead |
| 14:01.17 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 14:01.34 | pb_ee1 | cladhaire, table.remove shifts down all elements when you use it |
| 14:01.43 | cladhaire | pb_ee1: yes.. i'm fully aware, which is what causes th eissue |
| 14:01.46 | cladhaire | nothing i said was incorrect |
| 14:01.47 | pb_ee1 | so ipairs should be fine even if you table.remove on your table |
| 14:01.51 | cladhaire | no.. |
| 14:02.02 | pb_ee1 | is it a bug or something like that? |
| 14:02.17 | cladhaire | lua> t = {1,2,3,4} for idx in ipairs(t) do table.remove(t, idx) end print(t) |
| 14:02.17 | cladbot | cladhaire: { 2, 4 } (#3) |
| 14:02.26 | cladhaire | no, on the first iteration, it removes index 1 |
| 14:02.30 | cladhaire | then on the second iteration it removes index 2 |
| 14:02.36 | cladhaire | when its done, there is no index 3.. so it stops |
| 14:02.47 | cladhaire | leaving the old elements 2 and 4 in the table |
| 14:02.59 | cladhaire | that's why you use pairs() for just a simple for loop as krka suggested |
| 14:03.01 | krka | personally, i'd just make a new table :) |
| 14:03.10 | krka | and copy the elements to keep |
| 14:03.11 | cladhaire | true dat |
| 14:03.22 | krka | table.remove is slow |
| 14:03.31 | cladhaire | reordering elements is slow =/ |
| 14:03.50 | krka | yup |
| 14:04.07 | pb_ee1 | nevermind, i must have not read all what nevcairiel said ^^ |
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| 14:06.27 | Fisker- | btw Punkie` |
| 14:06.29 | cladhaire | i only use table.insert and remove when i'm lazy and need a quick stack :P |
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| 14:11.42 | CIA-14 | 03shamino * r47633 10MaterialsTracker/ (5 files): |
| 14:11.42 | CIA-14 | MaterialsTracker: initial commit |
| 14:11.42 | CIA-14 | - Provides information of tradeskill and crafting materials that are in the banks and bags of your characters. |
| 14:12.03 | Punkie` | sup Fisker- |
| 14:13.23 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel 072.2 * r47634 10Bartender3/Bartender3/ (ActionBarStates.lua Button.lua): Bartender3: reworked the stance setup code, should allow stancesetup instantly now, and resolve possible conflicts with login-lag |
| 14:13.30 | nevcairiel | i worked around removing and set a hide flag :P |
| 14:15.57 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel 072.2 * r47635 10Bartender3/Bartender3/ActionBarStates.lua: Bartender3: actually clear the hide flag again if not needed anymore ( not used anyway, but i like generic solutions :P ) |
| 14:18.34 | CIA-14 | 03shamino * r47636 10MaterialsTracker/: |
| 14:18.34 | CIA-14 | MaterialsTracker: |
| 14:18.34 | CIA-14 | - svn props set |
| 14:18.37 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel 072.2 * r47637 10Bartender3/Bartender3/ActionBarStates.lua: Bartender3: allow simple values for the hide flag as well, no need to require a function |
| 14:23.19 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: there, its now all shiny :P |
| 14:23.45 | Pkekyo | ~seen cncfanatics |
| 14:23.49 | purl | cncfanatics is currently on #wowace (6h 8m 21s). Has said a total of 63 messages. Is idling for 1h 4m 57s, last said: 'what does assert do anyway, never used it'. |
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| 14:25.51 | Pkekyo | son of a dongjob...impossible to get a decent amount of fps whilst running in windowed mode >.< |
| 14:26.04 | nevcairiel | works fine for me |
| 14:27.23 | Pkekyo | used to work perfectly for me until recently |
| 14:27.39 | Pkekyo | now I've gotta run full screen mode, which makes alt+tabbing too slow :< |
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| 14:27.55 | Fisker- | oh hi Punkie` |
| 14:28.04 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=612222520&sid=1 <-silly amerikkans |
| 14:28.08 | nevcairiel | window mode is always been a bit slower |
| 14:28.13 | nevcairiel | but not that much really |
| 14:28.45 | Pkekyo | nevcairiel: in windowed mode (maximized) I currently get about 3-4 fps |
| 14:29.01 | nevcairiel | if you get 5fps in full screen mode |
| 14:29.03 | nevcairiel | its fine =P |
| 14:29.16 | Pkekyo | I get 30+ |
| 14:29.55 | Pkekyo | but alt+tabbing is sooooooooooo slow |
| 14:30.33 | krka | get linux :P |
| 14:30.36 | krka | changing workspace is instance |
| 14:30.42 | krka | *instant |
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| 14:30.48 | xyu | so, any hope for patch this week? ^^ |
| 14:30.58 | nevcairiel | no |
| 14:30.58 | Pkekyo | sod linux, can't be arsed to spend fucking hours trying to get games work in wine |
| 14:31.05 | xyu | yeah doesn't look like it |
| 14:31.37 | nevcairiel | xyu: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1272000259&sid=1#18 |
| 14:31.47 | Pkekyo | no use hoping for a patch before you see wow downloading it |
| 14:31.47 | xyu | lol |
| 14:31.56 | xyu | nice |
| 14:32.01 | Fisker- | when was the cooking dailies getting implemented btw? |
| 14:32.01 | Fisker- | 2.3? |
| 14:32.18 | Pkekyo | cooking dailies?! O.o |
| 14:32.25 | Fisker- | yeah cooking daily quests |
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| 14:32.50 | Pkekyo | please, don't tell me I have to fish for them?! |
| 14:32.55 | krka | to be fair, current wine works out of the box with wow |
| 14:33.21 | krka | much better than a few months ago |
| 14:33.48 | Pkekyo | krka: didn't when I tried to get the shite to work |
| 14:33.57 | Fisker- | Pkekyo i dunno but i'm leveling it just in case :P |
| 14:34.05 | Pkekyo | and I simply can't be arsed to install and set up linux again |
| 14:34.19 | Pkekyo | judging from your name you ought to have 375 fishing allready tbh... |
| 14:34.43 | Pkekyo | alt+tabbing with wow in full screen mode is a fucking nightmare /cry |
| 14:34.48 | Fisker- | QQ Pkekyo :( |
| 14:34.52 | Fisker- | don't harass me |
| 14:34.53 | Saroz | is there a function to return all keys in a table? |
| 14:35.25 | Pkekyo | Fisker-: harass? |
| 14:35.36 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 14:35.39 | cladhaire | saroz: function getkeys(tbl) local out = {} for k in pairs(tbl) do table.insert(out, k) end return unpack(out) end |
| 14:35.43 | xyu | All you need is an internal IRC addon, feeding #wowace right into your wowchat |
| 14:35.48 | xyu | then you'll have no reason to alt - tab! |
| 14:36.10 | Pkekyo | xyu: if I only used irc, then yes |
| 14:36.41 | krka | Pkekyo: i use ubuntu and the .deb repositories from wines own website |
| 14:36.46 | krka | works remarkably well |
| 14:37.08 | krka | how long ago did you try it? |
| 14:37.09 | Saroz | cladhaire, creates a table each time I need the list though |
| 14:37.36 | cladhaire | Saroz: aye, there's no default function that does it.. you could get creative with recursion |
| 14:37.43 | cladhaire | but it would be better to just re-use the same table if you were concerned |
| 14:37.45 | krka | silly version of getkeys |
| 14:37.46 | Pkekyo | krka: about a year or so...that stuff pissed me off so bad I was about to either uninstall ubuntu alltogether or throw my box out the window |
| 14:37.56 | cladhaire | krka: :P |
| 14:38.58 | krka | function getkeys(tbl, key) local nextkey = next(tbl, key) if nextkey then return key, getkeys(tbl, nextkey) end end |
| 14:39.04 | krka | sorry cladhaire, didnt mean yours |
| 14:39.06 | krka | i meant my own |
| 14:39.41 | cladhaire | mine was silly too :P |
| 14:39.55 | krka | hm, mine is not completely functional yet |
| 14:40.03 | cladhaire | just varying levels of silliness :P |
| 14:40.33 | Pkekyo | weird...right now windowed mode+maximized is working fine again |
| 14:40.43 | Pkekyo | 25fps in a highly populated area |
| 14:41.10 | sag_ich_nicht | * UPDATED - /cancelform will be recognized instantly (as /dismount is currently) |
| 14:41.13 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel 072.2 * r47638 10Bartender3/Bartender3/ActionBarStates.lua: Bartender3: some minor cleanups |
| 14:41.20 | sag_ich_nicht | as if druids aren't overpowered enough already |
| 14:41.21 | krka | function getkeys(tbl, key) local nextkey = next(tbl, key) if nextkey ~= nil then return nextkey, getkeys(tbl, nextkey) end end |
| 14:41.24 | krka | that one actually works |
| 14:41.25 | krka | w00t |
| 14:42.06 | nevcairiel | sag_ich_nicht: what? you complaining that we can one-click shift now ? :D |
| 14:42.27 | cladhaire | lua> function getkeys(tbl, key) local nextkey = next(tbl, key) if nextkey ~= nil then return nextkey, getkeys(tbl, nextkey) end print(getkeys({1,2,3,4,5,6})) |
| 14:42.27 | cladbot | cladhaire: sandbox.lua:260: Compilation failed: [string "function getkeys(tbl, key) local nextkey = next(tbl, key) if ne..."]:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 14:42.38 | cladhaire | lua> function getkeys(tbl, key) local nextkey = next(tbl, key) if nextkey ~= nil then return nextkey, getkeys(tbl, nextkey) end end print(getkeys({1,2,3,4,5,6})) |
| 14:42.38 | cladbot | cladhaire: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 |
| 14:42.46 | cladhaire | krka: close :P |
| 14:42.54 | krka | hm, i tested it |
| 14:43.04 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel yes, because you completely bypass caster form this way, which till now was one of the major weaknesses of druids in pvp, and a balanced one, imho |
| 14:43.15 | krka | you missed one of my end, i think |
| 14:43.38 | cladhaire | krka: so i did :P |
| 14:43.56 | CIA-14 | 03saroz * r47639 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFrames.lua: sRaidFrames: Remove self.visible and add self:GetAllUnits() |
| 14:44.12 | krka | hmm... this may be a reasonably efficient implementation i think |
| 14:44.18 | krka | if you localize next |
| 14:44.19 | nevcairiel | sag_ich_nicht: its like half a second we spend in casterform |
| 14:45.17 | CIA-14 | 03saroz * r47640 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFramesLayout.lua: sRaidFrames: Missed one |
| 14:45.34 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel enough time for me to fire a repentance |
| 14:46.06 | krka | not sure why you'd want all keys in a table directly - why not simply iterate by using next when you need them |
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| 14:47.02 | cladhaire | that's definitely much nicer |
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| 14:53.49 | kadrahil | UGH |
| 14:54.11 | kadrahil | forgot to set my alarms this morning, so i was 30 minutes late to work without a shower or breakfast |
| 14:54.17 | kadrahil | HATE THIS DAY |
| 14:55.47 | kadrahil | and stupid vmware server shouldn't require X or its libraries installed :( |
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| 14:56.24 | hypetech | anybody know if 2.2 is going live today? |
| 14:56.31 | cladhaire | hypetech: no |
| 14:56.32 | Matrix110 | it doesnt |
| 14:56.32 | cladhaire | its no |
| 14:56.33 | Saroz | no |
| 14:56.34 | cladhaire | not |
| 14:56.35 | Matrix110 | blue confirmed |
| 14:56.37 | hypetech | ok |
| 14:56.38 | cladhaire | wow i can't type. |
| 14:57.38 | TNSe | this patch must have been the longest thats stayed on ptr ever :P |
| 14:58.01 | xyu | because it's a failure |
| 14:58.19 | TNSe | what part :P |
| 14:58.28 | Hjalte | I wish WAU2 was able to clean my saved variables. That's the only thing i still use old WAU for :\ |
| 14:58.55 | kadrahil | hmm |
| 14:59.00 | kadrahil | does WAU2 work on osx yet? |
| 14:59.33 | pb_ee1 | ~wau2 |
| 14:59.34 | purl | well, wau2 is http://wowace.com/wau2 |
| 14:59.42 | pb_ee1 | purl, thanks |
| 14:59.42 | purl | pb_ee1: no problem |
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| 15:00.37 | kadrahil | still doesn't work :( |
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| 15:02.03 | the-golem | WAU2? |
| 15:02.17 | pb_ee1 | WAU = 1 ; WAU++ |
| 15:02.17 | the-golem | mine says 0.0.0.0 :-/ |
| 15:06.59 | hypetech | What ace mod will annouce when your health is critical? A guildie of mine has it, but says he doesn't know which mod actually does it, but he only uses ace mods -.- |
| 15:07.20 | jme | sct announces it for me |
| 15:07.35 | the-golem | ugh |
| 15:07.43 | the-golem | sct added icons to its text |
| 15:07.50 | the-golem | looks frigging rediculous |
| 15:07.57 | the-golem | IMHO ^^ |
| 15:08.15 | hypetech | I agree |
| 15:08.26 | hypetech | but I can't really get into SCT anyway |
| 15:08.30 | hypetech | too much crap on screen |
| 15:08.37 | the-golem | well |
| 15:08.39 | hypetech | I use the standard blizzard floating combat text |
| 15:08.47 | the-golem | i like it because you can change the fonts |
| 15:09.01 | hypetech | ya |
| 15:09.44 | hypetech | I just realized that I'm usually not looking at the boss when my spells hit anyway because I'm looking at quartz for stopcasting and watching my cooldowns :-\ |
| 15:10.27 | the-golem | ^^ |
| 15:10.40 | jme | so i figured out that the elementals in SMV have a lower droprate than the elemental plateau last night :( |
| 15:10.52 | the-golem | i'm usually staring at KLHTM |
| 15:11.03 | jme | heh |
| 15:11.36 | hypetech | meh |
| 15:11.38 | hypetech | omen ftw |
| 15:11.43 | the-golem | omen? |
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| 15:12.01 | jme | ace2 threat meter |
| 15:12.08 | jme | blows ktm away imo |
| 15:12.09 | the-golem | jme: yeah .. the water elementals at skettis drop them at an awesome rate though |
| 15:12.38 | jme | the-golem: yeah i need to get the underwater breathing staff and farm all night long |
| 15:12.46 | the-golem | took me not long at all to get 20primals for my Thunder |
| 15:13.04 | hypetech | anybody know what mod pops up a big icon center screen when a cooldown comes ready? |
| 15:13.06 | the-golem | Air took forever |
| 15:14.58 | Hjalte | Bah. It's Pitbull creating that huge frame covering 80 percent of my screen when someone special joins my party, right? |
| 15:16.15 | the-golem | no idea |
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| 15:16.21 | the-golem | dont use pitbull |
| 15:17.43 | hypetech | I've never had thta problem with pitbull |
| 15:17.46 | hypetech | that* |
| 15:20.16 | Tornhoof | ye hjalte, i had that too |
| 15:20.24 | Tornhoof | back to aguf ;) |
| 15:20.59 | Hjalte | I like pitbulls aura system more, even though it's a memory hog bla bla |
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| 15:22.03 | hypetech | what exactly does aperture do? |
| 15:22.59 | Shirik | on a camera? |
| 15:23.28 | Shirik | it controls the amount of light entering the camera which results in an increase or drop in the apparent "focused" range |
| 15:23.31 | hypetech | ... |
| 15:23.32 | hypetech | the mod |
| 15:23.35 | Shirik | no idea :) |
| 15:25.04 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 15:25.11 | durcyn | viewport. |
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| 15:26.00 | hypetech | ? |
| 15:26.03 | dylanm | hypetech: It's straight-up viewport. Top/right/bottom/left and that's about it... |
| 15:26.11 | hypetech | ok what is viewport? |
| 15:26.16 | hypetech | just a box to put stuff in? |
| 15:26.24 | hypetech | because I basically just made one with eepanels |
| 15:26.33 | dylanm | You're putting margins on the sides where things aren't rendered |
| 15:26.58 | hypetech | is visor2 the same thing? |
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| 15:27.30 | dylanm | Nah, Visor2 is for moving frames. |
| 15:27.34 | hypetech | ah |
| 15:28.06 | hypetech | so I have a big panel at the bottom of my screen that I keep all my chat/buttons, etc. in that I made with eepanels. What will be the difference between that and aperture? |
| 15:28.57 | Hjalte | Hypetech, that with aperture you will be able to select not to render what is beneath where you keep your chat, buttons etc and that might give you a performance boost. |
| 15:29.16 | Mecdemort | it doesnt show, but i dont think it stops it from being rendered |
| 15:29.27 | Mecdemort | i couldnt get a performance boost even with a 50x50 view area |
| 15:29.49 | Hjalte | It depends on the addon, I think. I don't know Aperture, but i know some people have gotten better perfomance. |
| 15:30.10 | durcyn | there is usually an fps increase, however minor |
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| 15:31.33 | hypetech | Here's my UI: http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/hypetech/?action=view¤t=defilelawl.jpg |
| 15:31.41 | hypetech | aperture makes the same sort of panel I have at the bottom? |
| 15:31.51 | dylanm | I think one of the nicer things is that -- if I'm understanding this correctly -- the game takes into account its new WorldFrame space when doing the camera stuff. |
| 15:33.02 | dylanm | As in: you don't have to be zoomed out a bunch to make sure that an eePanel along the bottom isn't going to clip your feet. But I may be wrong on that bit. |
| 15:34.04 | hypetech | yes yes I have changed the font since :p |
| 15:34.21 | Mecdemort | ahh the servers are down and i have nothing to live for |
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| 15:40.54 | Xinhuan | what time is it for everyone now? :) |
| 15:41.04 | ulic | 9:40am |
| 15:41.06 | Shirik | 11:41 am |
| 15:41.14 | nevcairiel | 5:41 pm |
| 15:41.17 | Xinhuan | sounds like half of you didn't sleep lol |
| 15:41.19 | NightHawkTheSane | 8:40 in the bloody morning |
| 15:41.29 | Xinhuan | its 11.40 pm here |
| 15:41.43 | Shirik | what's sleep again? |
| 15:41.49 | ulic | the most appropriate answer is 2hrs2min until servers are back up in the US time. |
| 15:41.57 | ulic | *20min |
| 15:42.07 | Xinhuan | sleep is a state in which your body enters a rate of lower metabolism :) |
| 15:42.10 | Shirik | 18( |
| 15:42.12 | Shirik | 18** |
| 15:42.43 | NightHawkTheSane | sleep is where i really wish i was,. |
| 15:44.02 | Silviu- | hmm svn is slooooooooooooowwwwww |
| 15:44.20 | Xinhuan | i have a question about fubar plugins - should a fubar plugin list all the default ace core libraries it uses? because its dependancy fubar already loads and uses them all |
| 15:45.01 | Silviu- | Xinhuan and if u don`t use fubar itself ? ;) |
| 15:45.03 | Silviu- | Then what u do |
| 15:45.23 | Xinhuan | then the fubar plugin is disabled because its dependancy (fubar) is not loaded/disabled |
| 15:45.30 | Silviu- | Not really |
| 15:45.33 | Silviu- | works on minimap |
| 15:45.34 | Silviu- | :) |
| 15:46.01 | Mecdemort | are there any other addons similar to eavesdrop and battlechat? |
| 15:46.02 | kadrahil | purl: sleep? |
| 15:46.03 | purl | i guess sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine. |
| 15:46.10 | kadrahil | hehe |
| 15:46.10 | Xinhuan | well don't people want fubar plugins to use them on fubar, and not on the minimap? |
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| 15:46.18 | Silviu- | Maybe not all |
| 15:46.19 | Silviu- | :) |
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| 15:46.34 | Silviu- | If u use 2 plugins only why have an bar for it ( fubar ) |
| 15:47.10 | Mecdemort | i use the minimap for the ones that i dont need a text display and only the right click |
| 15:47.23 | Xinhuan | example, xperl comes with a minimap button, but xperl_Fu removes that button and places it on fubar itself, so if you don't want it on the panel, you don't use it |
| 15:47.54 | Silviu- | Every fubar plugin have an option eighter on fubar or minimap or hidden |
| 15:47.55 | Silviu- | ;) |
| 15:48.21 | Xinhuan | yeah but some fubar plugins are for other external addons, say SWStats_Fu |
| 15:48.27 | Xinhuan | which already have their own minimap button |
| 15:48.41 | dylanm | I do see that, but a lot of FuBar_Whatevers have FuBar as a dependency. |
| 15:48.50 | Xinhuan | so you really only want that fubar plugin to only work on fubar and not on the minimap |
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| 15:53.58 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r47641 10Cartographer_Mining/addon.lua: Cartographer_Mining - updated zhTW localization |
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| 16:00.34 | charon | ckknight: ping? |
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| 16:09.01 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r47642 10ChatLog/Locale-zhTW.lua: ChatLog: updated zhTW localization |
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| 16:10.28 | Fisker- | What is the color code for artifact btw? |
| 16:10.57 | the-golem | has anyone done any alternate inventory screens? |
| 16:11.11 | kadrahil | Fisker-: i think it's red |
| 16:11.18 | Amadeo | lol |
| 16:11.26 | the-golem | character/inventory .. frames/windows |
| 16:11.48 | Elkano | wasn't the color changed? |
| 16:12.03 | kadrahil | possibly :/ |
| 16:12.40 | kadrahil | hmmm |
| 16:13.02 | kadrahil | i think i'll swap 26 AP for 15 agi to my gloves so i can bump over 24% crit |
| 16:13.20 | the-golem | hey Elk ^^ |
| 16:13.30 | the-golem | luv them buffbars ;-) |
| 16:15.57 | the-golem | i thought artifact was orange |
| 16:16.06 | the-golem | or wait.. thats legendary |
| 16:16.22 | Elkano | well, it used to be red but I think it's gold or sth like that now |
| 16:17.10 | the-golem | hmm |
| 16:17.16 | Fisker- | kadrahil no it's golden |
| 16:17.21 | the-golem | bah |
| 16:17.26 | Fisker- | and i was asking for the color code not the color itself |
| 16:17.27 | kadrahil | Fisker-: oh |
| 16:17.27 | Megalon | if you set lootthreashold to artifact |
| 16:17.30 | the-golem | hurry up and patch already blizz |
| 16:17.34 | kadrahil | Fisker-: FINE |
| 16:17.35 | Megalon | the test uses: 0.90195882320404, 0.79999822378159, 0.50195968151093, 099999779462814 |
| 16:17.36 | Megalon | as color |
| 16:17.43 | Megalon | text, not test |
| 16:18.08 | Fisker- | can someone please die? :/ |
| 16:18.22 | Fisker- | i mean the CODE used by Blizzard to define what an item gets colored as |
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| 16:18.43 | Elkano | Fisker- -> http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetItemQualityColor |
| 16:18.50 | Fisker- | thanks Elkano |
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| 16:19.03 | Elkano | np |
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| 16:28.39 | Elkano | btw: no 2.2 in us this week, right? |
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| 16:29.12 | Kaelten | don't think so |
| 16:29.19 | Kaelten | I'd expect an extended maintence window |
| 16:29.31 | durcyn | no, not this week. |
| 16:29.39 | CIA-14 | 03ennuilg * r47643 10scorchio/ (changelog.txt core.lua scorchio.toc todo.txt): |
| 16:29.39 | CIA-14 | scorchio: |
| 16:29.39 | CIA-14 | - Reordered text on bars so scorch stack is always visible. |
| 16:29.39 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.40 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.43 | Elkano | ok, so not important for me to finish 2.2 preload ^^ |
| 16:29.52 | Kaelten | although it has been a while since ptr has had a patch |
| 16:30.05 | cladhaire | ptr was patched yesterday |
| 16:30.08 | nevcairiel | you go read http://www.mmo-champion.com/ from time to time |
| 16:30.11 | cladhaire | or two days ago, so, stop smoking crack :P |
| 16:30.12 | nevcairiel | there is blue quote. |
| 16:30.17 | Amadeo | Which Linux distributions are known to work well with laptops (good hardware detection, etc)? Especially old laptops ;) |
| 16:30.19 | nevcairiel | Quote from: Drysc |
| 16:30.19 | nevcairiel | Not tomorrow. |
| 16:30.27 | cladhaire | Amadeo: debian imo, bare install |
| 16:30.51 | Kaelten | Amadeo: I'd try ubuntu, but thats just my personal bias |
| 16:30.55 | CIA-14 | 03nickenyfiken * r47644 10FuBar_TrainerFu/TrainerFu_FuBar.lua: FuBar_TrainerFu: ctrl-click in tooltip shows dressing room if it is a craftable item. |
| 16:31.09 | Amadeo | I tried Xubuntu/Ubuntu, but I had ACPI errors, and in Xubuntu the touchpad was flakey |
| 16:31.20 | Amadeo | I could try flat Debian |
| 16:31.23 | cladhaire | ACPI is gonna be rough, what brand? |
| 16:31.25 | Kaelten | hrm looks like the ptr has a patch today |
| 16:31.27 | cladhaire | toshiba? |
| 16:31.33 | Amadeo | Nope, old Dell Inspiron 500 |
| 16:31.34 | Amadeo | 0 |
| 16:31.38 | [Liquidor] | yo checkout my new mainbar :) http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6896/wowscrnshot082807171146bb3.jpg |
| 16:31.42 | Amadeo | 5000, that is :P |
| 16:32.32 | durcyn | eh, i'm rather partial to gentoo in general, amadeo. had it running on an inspiron 4000, and now a thinkpad without issue |
| 16:32.47 | Amadeo | XP actually runs great on it, but since it doesn't have a lot of power, I'd rather not have to deal with installing all the utilities that suck the life out of it just to keep it secure and stable :P |
| 16:32.57 | Kaelten | ya a guy I work with has gentoo running on a dell laptop |
| 16:33.43 | Kaelten | but then again he was on gentoo's upstream for a few years so there might be some bias there as well |
| 16:33.53 | Amadeo | I was hoping for something I didn't have to work on to use, I would love it if everything just worked out of the box, or with minor tweaking :) |
| 16:34.24 | durcyn | then ubuntu. |
| 16:34.42 | Amadeo | That's the thing, Ubuntu gave me problems :( |
| 16:34.50 | Thrae | Amadeo: Look into nLite and XPLite. You can seriously decrease the amount of resources XP takes up. I was able to get WoW at ~15FPS on a 500MHz P3 128MB RAM 32MB GPU. |
| 16:35.02 | Amadeo | What the hell, are you serious? |
| 16:35.05 | Amadeo | haha |
| 16:35.19 | Amadeo | I did use nLite for the current XP install, but I can't believe WoW ran on it |
| 16:35.26 | Kaelten | lol |
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| 16:35.41 | Amadeo | You have better video, this has an 8MB ATI something |
| 16:35.56 | Amadeo | I have the same processor and more RAM though |
| 16:36.05 | Amadeo | ok, I have to try that now :P |
| 16:36.15 | Thrae | Amadeo: You have to tweak it after nLite and XPLite as well. Lots and lots of tweaking. But if you're thinking of going down the Linux route, same kinda thing. |
| 16:36.42 | Amadeo | Well, I may start working with Linux after I get back from vacation, since I don't want it to break while I'm away and have no clue how to fix it :P |
| 16:37.05 | Amadeo | What kind of tweaking did you do besides services? |
| 16:37.33 | Thrae | Amadeo: XP or Linux, your GPU is going to be your serious bottleneck. The OS can't really compensate for that except take up less resources in the background. It sounds like your laptop's video card may be an ATI Radeon IGP, which has no physical memory of its own -- it shares with the system. |
| 16:38.01 | Amadeo | Yeah, I'm with you there, that's why I never attempted WoW in the first place :P |
| 16:38.26 | Thrae | Amadeo: Go into your BIOS and you should be able to increase the AGP Aperature, or the amount of memory assigned to the Radeon IGP. The default is 8, but it should be able to go up to 64. |
| 16:38.56 | Amadeo | I don't think it even has the option |
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| 16:39.18 | Thrae | Well, checking never hurt. Just look for an option that currently says '8'. |
| 16:40.49 | Amadeo | Yeah, no option for it |
| 16:41.02 | Thrae | Amadeo: What model of Inspiron do you have? |
| 16:41.11 | Amadeo | 5000 |
| 16:41.39 | Amadeo | I installed the "latest" BIOS off Dell's site :P |
| 16:41.57 | Thrae | Yeah, get all the latest drivers off their website |
| 16:42.28 | Thrae | Hmmmmmm |
| 16:42.41 | Thrae | Amadeo: Gimmie the Service Tag |
| 16:42.56 | Amadeo | 70LIM |
| 16:43.15 | Amadeo | I think that's it, I typed it in a lot, let me see :P |
| 16:43.19 | Thrae | Uh, isn't that too short |
| 16:43.42 | Amadeo | Nope, that's it |
| 16:43.43 | durcyn | older dells can have 5 digit tags |
| 16:44.05 | Thrae | Heh. Yeah, I worked for Dell, but I never worked on something as old as what Amadeo has. |
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| 16:44.30 | Amadeo | Thanks ;) |
| 16:44.33 | Amadeo | hahah |
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| 16:46.15 | Thrae | Amadeo: Yeah, your laptop is before the shared memory architecture. You have an ATI Rage Mobility P, which has 8MB of VRAM on-chip. |
| 16:47.07 | Thrae | Amadeo: And since ATI drivers suck on Linux, I'd advise against even trying to use Linux on your laptop for the sole purpose of WoW |
| 16:47.13 | Amadeo | Think I can get 2 fps? :P |
| 16:47.30 | Thrae | Amadeo: How much memory do you have? |
| 16:47.40 | Amadeo | I put the max in this sucker, 512MB |
| 16:47.53 | Thrae | Even with 512MB you will be hurting |
| 16:48.12 | Amadeo | Maybe I can run 320x240 or something :P |
| 16:48.20 | Thrae | I think you may be able to get up to 10FPS even, but you need to seriously tweak both XP and WoW |
| 16:48.46 | Thrae | WoW has some tweaking options that aren't well documented |
| 16:49.19 | Amadeo | Where can I find any info for them? |
| 16:49.40 | Silviu- | [Liquidor] your back to blizz defaults ? ;) |
| 16:49.53 | [Liquidor] | been for a while |
| 16:50.04 | [Liquidor] | I really can't stay with 1 interface for more than a day |
| 16:50.06 | Silviu- | U had pitbull and bt3 and eepanels |
| 16:50.08 | [Liquidor] | unless its default |
| 16:50.10 | Silviu- | Some time ago |
| 16:50.33 | [Liquidor] | I got 26 WTF folders and 18 Interface folders with diff. setups |
| 16:51.18 | Silviu- | ;))) |
| 16:52.05 | Silviu- | Not bad ;) |
| 16:52.47 | Thrae | Amadeo: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=34164362&sid=1#5 <-- scroll down to see the config file |
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| 16:53.11 | Thrae | Amadeo: Also, you'll have to be very conservative with your addons ;) |
| 16:53.25 | Silviu- | [Liquidor] http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot082807195202oq1.jpg |
| 16:53.36 | Amadeo | If it works at all, I'll probably just use Bongos so I can preserve my buttons, and that's it |
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| 16:54.36 | Thrae | Amadeo: You probably want to change the gxResolution in that config file even lower then 1024x768 |
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| 16:55.50 | Punkie` | Silviu-: is that your UI? |
| 16:56.21 | Amadeo | Thrae: Yep, I'm setting up a network to copy my WoW folders over now |
| 16:56.21 | Punkie` | litestep makes me feel cramped :P |
| 16:56.25 | Amadeo | well, network share |
| 16:56.39 | [Liquidor] | ye Punkie`, but one of few that looks good tho |
| 16:56.47 | Silviu- | Punkie` yep |
| 16:57.06 | Thrae | Amadeo: http://www.tweakxp.com/performance_tweaks.aspx <-- this is an excellent site for tweaking XP |
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| 16:57.14 | Punkie` | litestep looks ugly :I |
| 16:57.19 | Punkie` | minimalist is just nice |
| 16:57.49 | Silviu- | Punkie` well i like it :) |
| 16:57.49 | durcyn | i'm fond of Ruben |
| 16:57.57 | Punkie` | Ruben is quite nice also |
| 16:58.02 | Silviu- | Punkie` each person have his own preferance :) |
| 16:58.05 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47645 10FlexBar2/Highlighting/Highlighting.lua: FlexBar2: Fixed a bug with wanding, autoattacking & autoshooting |
| 16:58.06 | kergoth | glaze v2 has grown on me lately |
| 16:58.07 | Silviu- | No ? |
| 16:58.07 | Punkie` | of course :) |
| 16:58.18 | Punkie` | I just prefer clean :) |
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| 16:59.10 | Silviu- | Yup Ruben is also nice |
| 16:59.31 | Amadeo | Isn't that a sandwich? |
| 16:59.53 | Amadeo | No wait, I think that one is spelled differently :P |
| 16:59.55 | kergoth | hmm, i could go for a sammich about now |
| 17:00.15 | Amadeo | Reu |
| 17:00.57 | Amadeo | I've been anti-Troll for a long time, and now I find myself starting to like them |
| 17:01.03 | Amadeo | I want to make one |
| 17:01.22 | Thrae | Amadeo: robocopy z: "C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft" /E /R:1 /W:1 /PURGE /XF %0.bat *enUs-downloader* *enUS-patch* /XD Patches WTF Screenshots Cache wow-patch Logs Errors |
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| 17:01.43 | Thrae | Amadeo: Make that into a batch file. If you don't have robocopy, download it, it's from Microsoft. |
| 17:01.48 | Amadeo | lol |
| 17:02.03 | Amadeo | I've never heard of robocopy, sounds like it defends the peace |
| 17:02.16 | durcyn | Robust Copy Utility, actually =P |
| 17:02.51 | Amadeo | What is peace without that? |
| 17:03.14 | Amadeo | That's a bit faster than my method, so I'll look for it :P |
| 17:03.34 | Thrae | Amadeo: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9D467A69-57FF-4AE7-96EE-B18C4790CFFD&displaylang=en |
| 17:03.40 | durcyn | or you could pick up the cygdll'd rsync |
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| 17:03.56 | Amadeo | You guys and all your fancy pants stuff |
| 17:04.06 | art3mis | Foreign guy #1: Is it a 4-door? |
| 17:04.06 | art3mis | Rental car lady: I have no idea, I haven't even begun the process yet. |
| 17:04.06 | art3mis | She reaches into a drawer and pulls out a set of keys. |
| 17:04.06 | art3mis | Rental car lady: Yes. |
| 17:04.06 | art3mis | Foreign guy #2: That was some process. |
| 17:04.07 | art3mis | --Avis, West 43rd Street |
| 17:04.23 | Thrae | Amadeo: Note that z: refers to a mapped network drive, which would be pointing to your WoW folder on your share |
| 17:04.43 | Amadeo | Yeah, I have z: mapped to another, so I'll have to use another letter for the laptop |
| 17:04.49 | Thrae | Right |
| 17:04.51 | durcyn | robocopy can also use UNC paths, since drive letters are the namespace equivalent of writing in crayon |
| 17:05.07 | Thrae | Heh, yes they can |
| 17:05.17 | kergoth | grrr |
| 17:05.39 | Amadeo | No sammiches? |
| 17:06.32 | Saroz | http://death-knight.com/content/Blizz-were-you-prepared-for-such-a-thing lol? |
| 17:06.38 | Saroz | COOL SHITZ |
| 17:06.49 | kergoth | the board i test on at work is down, and the shelf manager that normally lets me reboot it is failing to do so.. so i get to email a coworker thats in the office to go kick it for me.. and i cant get qemu, xen, or uml working at work for faster testing |
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| 17:09.51 | Thrae | Amadeo: http://www.tweakxp.com/article37016.aspx <-- this is probably one of the bigger tweaks that can help, but note the note at the bottom about ATI cards. Doesn't hurt to try. |
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| 17:10.41 | Amadeo | Yeah, but it may work since by ATI, they probably don't mean one this old ;) |
| 17:11.11 | Thrae | Right ;) |
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| 17:14.11 | the-golem | oh ewww |
| 17:14.25 | the-golem | WAU2 uses java |
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| 17:17.14 | Tuller | java is not eew :P |
| 17:17.54 | Amadeo | Only if you mean coffee! |
| 17:18.11 | the-golem | eggzachary |
| 17:18.28 | Amadeo | Actually I like Java more than coffee |
| 17:18.44 | durcyn | they're both horrible aberrations that ought to be gotten rid of |
| 17:18.52 | Fisker- | can i make a set in closetgnome that equips my fishingpole when i push the fishing skill? |
| 17:18.53 | xyu | in place of? |
| 17:19.43 | the-golem | Fisker-: yeah you could make a set that only swaps your 'weapons' and assign it to a hotkey |
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| 17:21.03 | Fisker- | that's not smart! :P |
| 17:21.09 | Fisker- | how do i do that? |
| 17:25.56 | the-golem | ^^ |
| 17:27.09 | Fisker- | anyone know if i can make ClosetGnome_Fishing re-equip my non-fishing set when getting in combat? |
| 17:28.13 | the-golem | is the game back up? |
| 17:28.29 | Hjalte | Fisker, can't you set that in Closetgnome_Switcher? |
| 17:28.32 | Fisker- | Anyone know if there's some theorycrafting on spellcrit vs. mp5? |
| 17:28.50 | the-golem | vs? |
| 17:28.59 | Fisker- | ah ok |
| 17:29.02 | SaladFork | Fisker - You a mage? |
| 17:29.04 | Hjalte | the-golem, fisker is a paladin ;) |
| 17:29.05 | Fisker- | versus |
| 17:29.07 | Fisker- | no paladin SaladFork |
| 17:29.10 | SaladFork | Oh, nvm then |
| 17:29.17 | SaladFork | I have the entire mage class theorycrafted out |
| 17:29.17 | SaladFork | =) |
| 17:29.31 | the-golem | i know what vs means |
| 17:29.52 | the-golem | i just dont understand why you would compare spell crit and mp5 ... |
| 17:30.32 | the-golem | but im a dummy warrior, dont need to theorycraft anything :P |
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| 17:31.23 | ennuilg | Pallies get reduced mana cost on heals that crit. So comparing crit and Mp5 to see which is better for mana usage I guess. |
| 17:31.34 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 17:31.59 | SaladFork | Fisker - you get a 100% chance to get 60% mana back on a crit, right? |
| 17:32.22 | SaladFork | Calculate how much your average spell mana cost is, and how long it takes you to cast it (including spell latency) |
| 17:32.29 | SaladFork | And you can calculate how much mp5 the talent's worth to you |
| 17:33.32 | Fisker- | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30027 |
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| 17:33.51 | Fisker- | vs. http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27549 |
| 17:34.02 | Fisker- | think i should've taken them instead :/ |
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| 17:35.20 | Fisker- | btw Hjalte closetgnome_switcher doesn't have a combat one |
| 17:36.22 | Fisker- | way too obsessed with mp5 imo |
| 17:36.33 | Fisker- | got 175 mp5 unbuffed in my mana regen gear |
| 17:37.28 | Hjalte | Fisker-, that's not even a lot compared to a priest. You should rather go for the spellcrit, when you are awarded so much. |
| 17:38.17 | Fisker- | i'm no priest :P |
| 17:38.22 | Fisker- | and that's while casting btw |
| 17:38.23 | Elkano | ok, EBB will now hide the minimap tracking icon finaly :) |
| 17:38.32 | SaladFork | Elk |
| 17:38.37 | SaladFork | If you hide the minimap tracking icon |
| 17:38.44 | SaladFork | How are you supposed to know if/what you're tracking? |
| 17:38.48 | SaladFork | Nothing else shows it to you |
| 17:39.01 | SaladFork | Oh wait, EBB? |
| 17:39.11 | SaladFork | Why would EBB mess with minimap icons? |
| 17:39.32 | kergoth | SaladFork, ebb shows a bar for your tracking |
| 17:39.40 | SaladFork | Does it realllly? |
| 17:40.05 | SaladFork | New version? |
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| 17:40.20 | Chompers | Fisker- Boots of Courage Unending are awesome |
| 17:40.38 | SaladFork | My current version of EBB (updated yesterday) doesn't have an option for tracking |
| 17:40.41 | SaladFork | Must be a new thing. |
| 17:40.44 | SaladFork | .wau update |
| 17:40.48 | kergoth | "new version"? every version of ebb and ebbs i've ever tried showed tracking |
| 17:40.56 | SaladFork | We are talking about ElkBuffBar |
| 17:40.59 | SaladFork | Right? |
| 17:41.13 | kergoth | elkbuffbar is unmaintained, elkbuffbars is not. which one are you using? |
| 17:41.21 | SaladFork | I'm not sure, let me check |
| 17:41.38 | Elkano | kergoth, it's both EBB ;) |
| 17:41.45 | weab | the maintained version should get a new name. |
| 17:41.53 | Elkano | only thet the one is 1.x the other 2.x |
| 17:41.56 | [dRaCo] | It's got a new name |
| 17:41.59 | [dRaCo] | EBBs |
| 17:42.05 | Hjalte | Fisker-, I'm a priest. And I've got 226 mp5 while casting. |
| 17:42.09 | weab | that's not a new name |
| 17:42.27 | SaladFork | That's strange |
| 17:42.27 | Elkano | [dRaCo], I still refere to it as EBB since it's the same addon |
| 17:42.37 | SaladFork | I can't find EBB on my "Installed Addon" list in WAU |
| 17:42.54 | SaladFork | But I'm in game right now and I know I'm using it, >.< |
| 17:43.04 | Elkano | SaladFork then you most likely used the old version which has een moved to trunk |
| 17:43.11 | SaladFork | AH |
| 17:43.16 | SaladFork | Well, ElkBuffBars is in uninstalled |
| 17:43.16 | Elkano | so it won't show up on WAU anymore |
| 17:43.18 | SaladFork | Let me grab it |
| 17:43.32 | Silviu- | Elkano tags not trunk ;p |
| 17:43.47 | Silviu- | If i remember right |
| 17:44.13 | Elkano | ahm... yeah, that's what I wanted to say ^^ |
| 17:44.17 | kergoth | hm, how does ebb work for just showing icons, no text or statusbar? havent tried it in a while, does it behave? |
| 17:44.18 | Elkano | ck did it for me |
| 17:44.43 | Elkano | well, kergoth, it can show a vertical list with only time to the right |
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| 17:45.12 | Elkano | just disable the bar and set topleft text to time |
| 17:47.29 | SaladFork | Updated to EBB |
| 17:47.31 | SaladFork | From EBB |
| 17:48.00 | Elkano | well, hiding isn't commited, yet. still testing but seems to be working |
| 17:48.04 | SaladFork | Woah, it looks differenttttt |
| 17:49.33 | Elkano | not really ^^ |
| 17:49.34 | Fisker- | well if i got my numbers 31 crit rating = ~6,5 mp5 |
| 17:49.42 | the-golem | bah drak'thul is still down |
| 17:49.43 | SaladFork | Woohoo, fubar support |
| 17:49.52 | Fisker- | but it then has a lot more of healing |
| 17:49.53 | SaladFork | I'm assuming EBB was discontinued quite a long time ago and I never realized it |
| 17:49.54 | SaladFork | >.< |
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| 17:50.57 | Chompers | Fisker- |
| 17:51.38 | Chompers | did you get the chest from Shadow Labs, if you did, how long did it last you? |
| 17:51.47 | ckknight | Elkano: what did I do for you? |
| 17:52.03 | Fisker- | until illhoof in karazhan |
| 17:52.17 | Chompers | hmm, okay |
| 17:52.59 | Elkano | moving old EBB to tags |
| 17:53.24 | charon | ckknight: suddenly my Parrot skill cooldown up display shows "Elemental Combat Tree" instead of "Shocks", how can i change that back? |
| 17:53.38 | charon | the long string is a bit annoying and spell shortening doesn't work for it |
| 17:53.40 | Elkano | SaladFork, well about half a year ago or so |
| 17:53.46 | SaladFork | Crap, XD |
| 17:53.50 | Fisker- | well worth it though Chompers |
| 17:54.11 | ckknight | charon: hrm, was it the whole tree or just shocks |
| 17:54.12 | ckknight | ? |
| 17:54.49 | charon | well that's what it shows when i use some shock, then the 6sec cooldown is up |
| 17:54.55 | charon | it's not like you can counterspell/kick instants anyway |
| 17:55.12 | SaladFork | Crap |
| 17:55.20 | SaladFork | nvm |
| 17:55.22 | SaladFork | Oh wait |
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| 17:55.57 | SaladFork | Elkano - Any way to have the buffs in your top right, but have it grow downward? |
| 17:56.05 | kergoth | ckknight, it does the same thing here, on my hunter it says "Survival Tree Ready!" instead of "Traps ready!" |
| 17:56.13 | SaladFork | Oh nevermind |
| 17:56.15 | ckknight | hrm, okay |
| 17:56.20 | SaladFork | When you disable anchor it shifts upwards |
| 17:56.22 | SaladFork | Nicely played sir. |
| 17:56.29 | kergoth | ckknight, didnt do so in the past, but not sure when it got introduced |
| 17:56.54 | SaladFork | Gah |
| 17:57.00 | charon | must have been sometime this weekend, but i'm not sure exactly when, only did about 2 updates |
| 17:57.04 | SaladFork | Elkano - Is there anyway to change the font settings in EBB? |
| 17:57.20 | Amadeo | woops |
| 17:57.57 | pb_ee1 | Is the SVN down? |
| 17:58.10 | sb | !rp 1531 |
| 17:58.17 | sb | !ar 1531 |
| 17:58.18 | ThraeBot | sb: Points given is above the threshold for conversion. Try a different number. Or perhaps you meant to convert ratings to points? Either way, you fail at life. |
| 17:58.20 | sb | gnnl |
| 17:58.22 | Amadeo | kergoth: I noticed that too, I thought I messed something up :P |
| 17:58.24 | sb | !ap 1531 |
| 17:58.25 | ThraeBot | sb: Arena points from a rating of 1531 is, 2v2: 287, 3v3: 328, 5v5: 410 |
| 17:59.53 | Elkano | SaladFork, sure, that's what I wrote SharedMediaLib for ^^ |
| 18:00.03 | Elkano | it's in the dewdrop menu |
| 18:00.10 | SaladFork | Heh, I'm trying to find it, >.< |
| 18:00.35 | Elkano | bargroups - group x - bar- text topleft - font |
| 18:00.52 | SaladFork | Wow, sorry |
| 18:00.55 | SaladFork | Can't believe I missed that |
| 18:01.41 | pb_ee1 | How come..? I cannot upload a single 4KB file on the SVN... |
| 18:03.40 | sb | hmm bosswhisperer bugged for vashj :p |
| 18:03.55 | CIA-14 | 03lilcure * r47646 10TunnelVision/ (. Core.lua Locale-enUS.lua TunnelVision.toc): TunnelVision: Added DogTag for zone support |
| 18:04.06 | sb | it shows 'in combat with $tankname - 19000%' |
| 18:04.30 | kergoth | whats bosswhisperer? |
| 18:05.30 | [Ammo] | basically a standalone thing that people wanted in bigwigs |
| 18:05.33 | NeoTron | sends the boss seductive whispers so she/he/it gets distracted and dies easier |
| 18:05.35 | [Ammo] | whispers someone when you're in a bossfight |
| 18:05.40 | Fisker- | So anyway i can make closetgnome_switcher take combat into effect |
| 18:05.45 | Fisker- | or consideration |
| 18:05.51 | [Ammo] | replies with I'm fightink teh boss shoo! P.S. it's at 61% |
| 18:05.53 | kergoth | ahh |
| 18:05.54 | kergoth | cool |
| 18:06.11 | SaladFork | Elkano - any chance you'll add a time type that's "X minutes" or "X seconds"? |
| 18:06.36 | Amadeo | haha, that's a neat addon |
| 18:06.57 | kergoth | hmm, does bosswhisperer hook into cellular? would be cool if the whisper windows didnt pop up at all during the fight |
| 18:07.38 | [Ammo] | probably not |
| 18:07.42 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel 072.2 * r47647 10Bartender3/Bartender3/ (ActionBarStates.lua Bartender3.toc): Bartender3: minor fixeries |
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| 18:08.58 | SaladFork | DAMNIT |
| 18:09.01 | SaladFork | I just found Copy Layout |
| 18:09.01 | SaladFork | >.< |
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| 18:09.12 | kergoth | hmm, is there a way to use the scripts in tattle to just pull down the data for everyone on your server? would be nice for tattle_lfm |
| 18:09.25 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel 072.2 * r47648 10Bartender3/Bartender3/ (10 files): Bartender3: updated license to include 2007 :shrug: |
| 18:09.44 | Hjalte | [Ammo], how does it get the health of the boss? |
| 18:09.57 | nevcairiel | it scans raidXtarget |
| 18:09.59 | nevcairiel | etc |
| 18:10.27 | CIA-14 | 03pb_ee1 * r47649 10ChatLog/ (12 files): |
| 18:10.27 | CIA-14 | ChatLog: |
| 18:10.27 | CIA-14 | - Harder, better, faster, stronger: the one "big" file has been seperated in severals. |
| 18:10.27 | CIA-14 | - getglobal() optimisation. |
| 18:10.27 | CIA-14 | - Renamed a large number of "table-to-value" variables. |
| 18:11.21 | CIA-14 | 03pb_ee1 * r47650 10ChatLog/Core.lua: ChatLog: Committing Core.lua |
| 18:12.14 | Elkano | SaladFork, I have default Blizzard and all of AbacusLib's formats in |
| 18:12.20 | SaladFork | mmk |
| 18:12.23 | SaladFork | Hmm, what's Tench? |
| 18:12.30 | Fisker- | excuse me how u do dat pb_ee1? |
| 18:12.49 | pb_ee1 | What? :) |
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| 18:13.08 | Fisker- | seperate the chatlog |
| 18:13.17 | kaiden | hrm.... is it just me or is the AutoLFG addon broken? |
| 18:13.36 | art3mis | ya know therse a feature in tbc to do that for you ;) |
| 18:13.52 | kaiden | always trying to be a smartaleck yet you fail everytime art3mis :) |
| 18:14.00 | pb_ee1 | Fisker-, what do you mean? Are you talking about the feature of ChatLog in game? |
| 18:14.04 | kaiden | AutoLFG automatically joins the LFG channel without the need to be in the LFG tool |
| 18:14.05 | the-golem | :-( |
| 18:14.06 | the-golem | wierd |
| 18:14.10 | pb_ee1 | (note: ChatLog will proably be renamed in "Elephant" |
| 18:14.13 | pb_ee1 | +) |
| 18:14.29 | the-golem | i had a nub moment, i cant figure out how to move the ebb :-/ |
| 18:14.58 | art3mis | i dont fail all the time |
| 18:15.12 | art3mis | sometimes im ingenious! |
| 18:15.38 | art3mis | call it Heffelump |
| 18:15.44 | SaladFork | Golem - enable the anchor then move it? |
| 18:15.50 | art3mis | thats what ive nicknamed joker lib |
| 18:15.56 | art3mis | since its imaginary ;P |
| 18:16.05 | art3mis | and steals your hoey |
| 18:16.08 | art3mis | honey |
| 18:16.33 | kaiden | what makes you think Joker is imaginary? |
| 18:16.45 | art3mis | http://fukung.net/v/5261/496912944_bd05c83eda.jpg |
| 18:16.53 | art3mis | because ive never seen it ;P |
| 18:17.02 | art3mis | but mainly the honey thing |
| 18:17.14 | kaiden | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/CowTip/Joker/CowTip/ |
| 18:17.19 | kaiden | maybe you just dont look hard enough |
| 18:17.27 | art3mis | totally imaginary |
| 18:17.38 | NightHawkAtWork | YOU'RE totally imaginary |
| 18:17.43 | art3mis | nu uh! |
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| 18:25.50 | Elkano | SaladFork tench is short for temporary enchants |
| 18:26.04 | SaladFork | Oh, like weapon buffs |
| 18:26.05 | SaladFork | Gotcha |
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| 18:27.57 | Elkano | yeah |
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| 18:30.45 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather ruben |
| 18:30.58 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Ruben, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (34/24/3). 12006 HP; 9608 Armour; 1506 AP; 239.2 Melee DPS; 29.67% melee crit; 44 melee hit; 6.19% dodge; 5% block; 322 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 2896!! ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yvtepa ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2r64u9 ][ Updated: Tue Aug 28 14:41:09 2007 ]] |
| 18:31.07 | Pkekyo | pewpew, skillherald ftw |
| 18:32.15 | Amadeo | What's TBR? |
| 18:34.37 | kadrahil | IM IN YR LOOP |
| 18:34.38 | kadrahil | IM OUTTA YR LOOP |
| 18:34.45 | kadrahil | fail |
| 18:35.36 | kadrahil | IM IN UR LOOP |
| 18:35.36 | kadrahil | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.36 | kadrahil | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.36 | kadrahil | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.37 | kadrahil | IM OUTTA UR LOOP |
| 18:35.59 | kadrahil | <3 lolcode |
| 18:36.10 | nevcairiel | that reminds me |
| 18:36.19 | nevcairiel | Shirik how is your lolcode irc bot ? :P |
| 18:36.29 | Shirik | oh god I haven't touched that in a while |
| 18:36.37 | Shirik | it work(ed?) decently well |
| 18:36.39 | Hjalte | Can Zul'farrak be done 10-man? oO |
| 18:36.46 | NightHawkAtWork | Hjalte: yes |
| 18:36.48 | Shirik | a few things needed to be touched up |
| 18:37.01 | CIA-14 | 03thrillseeker * r47651 10ItemValue_DrDamage/Class_DrDamageSet.lua: |
| 18:37.01 | CIA-14 | ItemValue_DrDamage: |
| 18:37.01 | CIA-14 | - Deleted all the localization stuff, because it a) it wasn't fully implemented anyway and b) it was buggy after the changes to ItemValue. Just revert this commit if you need it back. I haven't changed anything else. |
| 18:37.09 | nevcairiel | NightHawkAtWork: it can? wasnt that removed like 1.somethign when that happend to all instances? |
| 18:37.23 | NightHawkAtWork | nevcairiel: to my knowledge, they only did that to top-tier instances |
| 18:37.28 | NightHawkAtWork | BRD and above |
| 18:37.42 | nevcairiel | ah. |
| 18:37.47 | nevcairiel | havent really tried with anything lower |
| 18:38.08 | NightHawkAtWork | There's not a whole lot of reason to :P |
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| 18:40.20 | kadrahil | too bad people on my server aren't willing to make loans for mounts |
| 18:40.54 | the-golem | hmmm |
| 18:41.07 | the-golem | I cant move the Buffs and Tracking EBB group |
| 18:41.24 | the-golem | im able to move the other ones, but that one wont respond at all |
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| 18:42.06 | NightHawkAtWork | loans for mounts to people who arn't good friends is just a bad idea |
| 18:42.22 | kadrahil | yeah, a few people i asked said they only loan to RL friends |
| 18:42.24 | kadrahil | which is understandable |
| 18:43.02 | Amadeo | NightHawkAtWork: Even from people who are good friends :P |
| 18:43.10 | Godzmack | must at least live in the same country so you can go to their home if they dont pay ;D |
| 18:43.18 | NightHawkAtWork | Amadeo: fair enough :) |
| 18:43.32 | Amadeo | I made a good friend in WoW a few years back |
| 18:43.43 | Amadeo | he loaned me like 90g, guy had every epic in the game at the time |
| 18:43.49 | Amadeo | bugged me every day about it, lol |
| 18:43.53 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:44.01 | nevcairiel | some people are just like that when it comes to money |
| 18:44.04 | nevcairiel | even on virtual money |
| 18:44.04 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 18:44.08 | Amadeo | yeah, hahah |
| 18:44.31 | Amadeo | this was back when MC was the uber instance |
| 18:44.55 | Arrowmaster | right now loaning money for epic flying mount isnt that bad since it unlocks the ability to do the netherwing quests which make you a lot of gold |
| 18:44.56 | nevcairiel | i liked raiding back then |
| 18:44.57 | Amadeo | first time I ever went in, we wiped at the door |
| 18:45.01 | Amadeo | hahah |
| 18:45.14 | kenlyric | it's bad if the jerkwad transfers servers :) |
| 18:45.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah which is why you still only loan to people you know |
| 18:45.53 | Arrowmaster | dont have to be irl friends but atleast know them enough that they wont run off |
| 18:46.24 | Amadeo | nevcairiel: Last I heard he did a bunch of dickish stuff and got his account banned, which was something I never expected of him :P |
| 18:46.41 | nevcairiel | hm. |
| 18:46.43 | nevcairiel | people change |
| 18:46.43 | Amadeo | so hah, now I don't have to pay him back |
| 18:46.47 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:47.01 | nevcairiel | still those 90g? |
| 18:47.02 | nevcairiel | :o |
| 18:47.03 | kenlyric | unless he got banned for goldbuying. Then you're fucked :) |
| 18:47.05 | Amadeo | hahaha |
| 18:47.08 | Amadeo | rofl |
| 18:47.18 | Amadeo | I'm far away from that server now |
| 18:47.21 | nevcairiel | i dont think buying is a bannable offense right now |
| 18:47.21 | Amadeo | in fact |
| 18:47.26 | Amadeo | I'm even on another account now! |
| 18:47.39 | CIA-14 | 03phyber * r47652 10XPBarNone/Core.lua: |
| 18:47.39 | CIA-14 | XPBarNone: |
| 18:47.39 | CIA-14 | - Fix broken reference to self. |
| 18:47.48 | Amadeo | nevcairiel: Probably because it's so expensive that nobody can afford it anyway |
| 18:48.14 | nevcairiel | prolly |
| 18:48.20 | Amadeo | I remember at one point gold was super cheap |
| 18:48.28 | Amadeo | then Blizzard started cracking down |
| 18:48.54 | Amadeo | They figured they could make more money if they banned tons of accounts and the farmers had to buy new copies of WoW! |
| 18:49.01 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 18:49.12 | Amadeo | wasn't that a comic? |
| 18:49.20 | kenlyric | if banned folks didn't come back, they wouldn't ban them |
| 18:49.41 | Amadeo | I've never been banned, just forum suspended a few times :) |
| 18:50.05 | nevcairiel | i got a 3-day ban once |
| 18:50.14 | nevcairiel | for a fucking misunderstanding |
| 18:50.19 | nevcairiel | and i couldnt contact customer support |
| 18:50.22 | nevcairiel | because it was weekend |
| 18:50.24 | nevcairiel | arghl! |
| 18:50.26 | Amadeo | One day Drokthul decided he was going to moderate the Eredar forums...the server forums had never been moderated before, and he comes in and deletes posts that have been running forever |
| 18:50.29 | Amadeo | everyone was pissed |
| 18:50.36 | kenlyric | the best business decision is to look like you're taking care of bad people and getting those bad people to keep playing. |
| 18:51.03 | Amadeo | nevcairiel: You can't even contact customer support when they are open, you end up being on hold all day :P |
| 18:51.04 | Fisker- | you can't fish in combat :( |
| 18:51.05 | kenlyric | after I got banned, I got a spam to discover the wonderful world of warcraft within 12 hours. |
| 18:51.12 | Amadeo | hahah |
| 18:51.19 | Amadeo | why were you banned? |
| 18:51.27 | kenlyric | botting. |
| 18:51.33 | Amadeo | cheater! |
| 18:51.36 | kenlyric | uh huh. |
| 18:51.55 | Amadeo | I've always wanted to see what they do, but I don't want to be banned just to look at one |
| 18:51.56 | Fisker- | but got 10 more skillpoints in SSC |
| 18:52.05 | Fisker- | up to lurker |
| 18:52.15 | Fisker- | oh and a warning for fishing instead of healing |
| 18:52.34 | kenlyric | they're incredibly obvious once you see on in action :) |
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| 18:52.56 | Amadeo | Well in game I can recognize them |
| 18:53.03 | Amadeo | but I've wanted to see what they look like from the users perspective |
| 18:53.31 | kenlyric | like invisible player. mouse moves, hotkeys light up, etc. |
| 18:53.53 | Pkekyo | ~seen ominous |
| 18:53.55 | purl | ominous is currently on #wowace (4h 53m), last said: 'hmm, not sure i understand'. |
| 18:54.03 | kadrahil | Amadeo is intrigued by this and ust attempt botting now |
| 18:54.06 | kadrahil | s/ust/must |
| 18:54.10 | kenlyric | I most did it for giggles after I was bored with raiding, but it took them seven months to shut me down, after I had gotten all six of them past 55. |
| 18:54.14 | Pkekyo | ominous alive and kicking? |
| 18:54.46 | deltron | anyone have any idea what would cause "Shadowfiend" to stay in your omen list? a bad setup or old version maybe? |
| 18:55.10 | Amadeo | Nope, I'm still not gonna do it |
| 18:56.05 | the-golem | oookay |
| 18:56.24 | [dRaCo] | yay. fight the dark side. |
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| 18:57.42 | Amadeo | kenlyric: I think they do lots of research first, beacuse they're afraid to ban people |
| 18:58.30 | Arrowmaster | i reported a lvl 7 hunter for botting |
| 18:58.34 | kenlyric | yeah. It was fun watching people lie on the forums. |
| 18:58.36 | Saladin | What addons moves the default repair/quest timer/capture bars? |
| 18:58.49 | kenlyric | especially when they used the same names in wow and on the bot forum. |
| 18:58.59 | [dRaCo] | simpleMinimap does that |
| 18:59.01 | kenlyric | Saladin: those are attached to the minimap |
| 18:59.06 | Saladin | ah brill th |
| 18:59.07 | Saladin | thx |
| 18:59.17 | deltron | lol lots of people bot when they are bored with raiding |
| 18:59.48 | kenlyric | I kept raiding too. In fact, if I hadn't botted, I never would have found non-retards in the game (my second guild) |
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| 19:00.37 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather rekuza |
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| 19:00.46 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Rekuza, Level 70 Human Warrior (0/0/61). 9444 HP; 10467 Armour; 1066 AP; 133.1 Melee DPS; 11.06% melee crit; 54 melee hit; 36 defense; 8.09% dodge; 13.68% block; 36 resilience;[[ TBR: 2554 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ypep94 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2js9z2 ][ Updated: Tue Aug 28 15:10:55 2007 ]] |
| 19:00.52 | Pkekyo | that guy just got zerged by a lvl 48 and 53 O.o |
| 19:01.00 | kenlyric | lol. |
| 19:01.01 | Pkekyo | oh well, not weird at all, that guy can't specc for shit |
| 19:01.04 | kadrahil | 61 in prot? |
| 19:01.36 | kenlyric | wow |
| 19:01.46 | kenlyric | he works for blizzard? |
| 19:01.56 | Pkekyo | he's a special guy, so to speak... |
| 19:02.09 | kenlyric | export build should open in wowhead. |
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| 19:02.27 | Pkekyo | agreed |
| 19:02.36 | NightHawkAtWork | I wasn't aware there were even 61 points i prot. o_0 |
| 19:02.53 | deltron | lol |
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| 19:03.22 | kadrahil | i liked the hunter i saw that had 41 in marks and didn't even get silencing shot |
| 19:03.39 | Pkekyo | NightHawkAtWork: a total of 196 slots for warriors to fill their points in :> |
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| 19:03.49 | kadrahil | basicaly just filled up every talent on the way up... |
| 19:03.57 | NightHawkAtWork | except imp revenge, apparently. :P |
| 19:04.03 | NightHawkAtWork | only 2/3 there. :P |
| 19:04.10 | Pkekyo | he ran out of talent points |
| 19:04.14 | Pkekyo | what a dickwad |
| 19:04.24 | Pkekyo | he gets imp disarm, but won't fill up revenge |
| 19:04.49 | kenlyric | most of us are guilty of that kind of idiocy in our beginning wow career. But sometime before end level you should find the internet. |
| 19:05.43 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 19:05.46 | Arrowmaster | yeah i was speced MD/Ruin for the first 100 days of /played on my warlock |
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| 19:06.18 | kenlyric | no, because you know what MD/Ruin is. I'm talking a lower level of idiocy. |
| 19:06.30 | orionshock | moring all |
| 19:06.40 | kenlyric | Like when I discovered a shadowform priest at level 43 and thought "I wonder how you get that" |
| 19:06.45 | Contherianthrope | you're talking "ammeh tank, so the points MUST go in prot!"? |
| 19:06.46 | Pkekyo | at first I specced imp cleave just because I liked the icon tbh :> |
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| 19:07.19 | [dRaCo] | imp cleave rocks |
| 19:07.23 | Pkekyo | oh well, atleast I had an eye for aesthetics ^^ |
| 19:07.27 | Arrowmaster | i thought about specing imp enslave demon before i actually got the skill |
| 19:07.36 | Pkekyo | [dRaCo]: ofcourse, but I didn't know that when I specced it ;> |
| 19:08.03 | [dRaCo] | ^^ |
| 19:08.10 | kenlyric | I wish I could remember my old levelling specs, before and after my enlightenment. |
| 19:08.17 | Pkekyo | tbh, I didn't even know what the talent points was |
| 19:08.21 | kenlyric | But i've wiped pre 1.10 trees from my memory. |
| 19:08.52 | Arrowmaster | heh i can still remember 1.5 trees somewhat |
| 19:09.10 | [dRaCo] | I wish I could remember my beta spec |
| 19:09.12 | NightHawkAtWork | isn't there a website that has all the old versions of the trees archived? |
| 19:09.16 | NightHawkAtWork | i seem to recall there was |
| 19:09.22 | kenlyric | yes |
| 19:09.40 | kenlyric | they are there, but I can't remember them. |
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| 19:10.00 | kenlyric | all I remember is holy nova at the top and then I start to get the shakes and things go black. |
| 19:10.29 | *** mode/#wowace [+v clad|away] by ChanServ |
| 19:10.57 | SaiBork | hey all, can anyone help me out a bit with creating a table using table.insert? |
| 19:11.05 | SaiBork | my pastey: http://ace.pastey.net/72857 |
| 19:11.27 | Pkekyo | ogri'la bombing runs without an epic flyer is so fucking tiresome it's not even funny |
| 19:11.31 | SaiBork | the info getting works, but i need to do that table right and now it just doesnt work as it should |
| 19:11.39 | Contherianthrope | mmm, I did it on a 60% |
| 19:11.47 | Contherianthrope | wait for the 3 shots, then go in |
| 19:11.55 | deltron | heh I will probably never find that out Pkekyo |
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| 19:14.06 | mort | weee kael'thas down in the second id |
| 19:14.33 | Pkekyo | deltron: howso? |
| 19:14.44 | Pkekyo | Contherianthrope: what 3 shots? |
| 19:14.55 | Contherianthrope | the cannons do a set number of shots |
| 19:15.01 | Contherianthrope | either 2 or 3 |
| 19:15.13 | Contherianthrope | they shoot, pause for a little while, then shoot again |
| 19:15.25 | CIA-14 | 03lilcure * r47653 10TunnelVision/ (. Core.lua Locale-enUS.lua TunnelVision.toc): TunnelVision: Upgrade to 0.2, add FuBar support and zone filtering using dogtag |
| 19:16.02 | orionshock | cncfanatics: u still alive |
| 19:16.04 | CIA-14 | 03lilcure * r47654 10TunnelVision/icon.tga: TunnelVision: Add icon |
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| 19:16.57 | Pkekyo | I just fly directly in, guns blazing and bomb them into oblivion... |
| 19:16.58 | CIA-14 | 03andalia * r47655 10BattleChat/ (BattleChat-deDE.lua BattleChat-enUS.lua BattleChat.lua): |
| 19:16.58 | CIA-14 | BattleChat: |
| 19:16.58 | CIA-14 | - Prevent pasting of colorcode to chat to prevent disconnects |
| 19:16.58 | CIA-14 | - Added zonechange event |
| 19:18.32 | cncfanatics | orionshock, yea |
| 19:18.42 | cncfanatics | orionshock, do shapeshifts still work in my last commit ? |
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| 19:19.22 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47656 10FlexBar2/Attributes/Attributes.lua: FlexBar2: Fixed a typo |
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| 19:20.47 | SaiBork | no coders at all around? |
| 19:20.55 | SaladFork | ? |
| 19:21.11 | SaiBork | i need some help with the lua tabling |
| 19:21.14 | SaiBork | tables* |
| 19:21.35 | SaiBork | t = {name = itemName, money = (price * itemCount)} |
| 19:21.47 | SaiBork | that works, but that is only for 1 thing |
| 19:22.03 | SaiBork | so i think it should become more like: |
| 19:22.12 | SaiBork | t = {itemName = (price * itemCount)} |
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| 19:22.44 | |Pixel| | what are you exactly trying to achieve ? |
| 19:22.47 | SaiBork | but itemName is a variable too, only lua uses itemName as table index value and not the variable |
| 19:23.11 | SaiBork | i want to sort a list of items on their value |
| 19:23.25 | SaiBork | i get the list of items from my bags |
| 19:23.38 | SaiBork | and i thought to use a table and a table.sort |
| 19:24.10 | SaiBork | current code, which works, apart from the tables |
| 19:24.11 | SaiBork | http://ace.pastey.net/72857 |
| 19:24.44 | |Pixel| | okay |
| 19:24.46 | SaiBork | table.insert(t, {name = itemName, money = (price * itemCount)}) |
| 19:24.53 | |Pixel| | at least, I can spot something wrong in there |
| 19:25.02 | |Pixel| | t isn't "right" |
| 19:25.10 | SaiBork | that does something, but shows only 1 real item text, the rest as table codes |
| 19:25.11 | |Pixel| | first you define it as: |
| 19:25.18 | |Pixel| | {name = itemName, money = (price * itemCount)} |
| 19:25.21 | |Pixel| | which is a simple table |
| 19:25.27 | |Pixel| | then you try to define it as: |
| 19:25.34 | |Pixel| | table.insert(t, {name = itemName, money = (price * itemCount)}) |
| 19:25.39 | |Pixel| | which would be otherwise written as: |
| 19:25.50 | |Pixel| | t = { { name = itemName, money = (price * itemCount) } } |
| 19:25.56 | |Pixel| | a nested table, that is |
| 19:26.14 | |Pixel| | if you really want to have a full list of items, you'd rather want the final table to look like something: |
| 19:26.29 | |Pixel| | t = |
| 19:26.31 | |Pixel| | { |
| 19:26.41 | |Pixel| | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.54 | |Pixel| | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.56 | |Pixel| | } |
| 19:26.57 | |Pixel| | for example |
| 19:27.01 | SaiBork | yeah indeed |
| 19:27.25 | SaiBork | but that second line as insert, doesnt that override the first? |
| 19:27.29 | |Pixel| | no |
| 19:27.35 | |Pixel| | your code does the following: |
| 19:27.39 | SaiBork | ah, so its like a real table |
| 19:27.56 | |Pixel| | t = { name = "first one", money = 123, { name = "second one", money = 456 } } |
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| 19:28.35 | |Pixel| | so after two iterations, your table is already a bit fucked up |
| 19:28.37 | SaiBork | ok, but the problem is |
| 19:28.39 | |Pixel| | because you have "mixed" elements |
| 19:28.44 | SaiBork | table.insert(t, name = itemName, money = (price * itemCount)) |
| 19:28.47 | SaiBork | doesnt work |
| 19:28.50 | |Pixel| | indeed |
| 19:28.56 | |Pixel| | this line is right |
| 19:28.58 | |Pixel| | I mean, the original one |
| 19:29.05 | |Pixel| | table.insert(t, {name = itemName, money = (price * itemCount)}) is correct |
| 19:29.10 | |Pixel| | t = {name = itemName, money = (price * itemCount)} isn't |
| 19:29.13 | SaiBork | ah |
| 19:29.39 | |Pixel| | so, on a strict correctness of syntax |
| 19:29.43 | |Pixel| | you'd rather want to write |
| 19:29.50 | |Pixel| | t = { {name = itemName, money = (price * itemCount)} } |
| 19:30.19 | |Pixel| | now, on a logical / algorithmic point of view, your if / else / end isn't really necessary, as far as I get it |
| 19:30.34 | |Pixel| | you can initialize t to {} with a t = {} ontop of your loop |
| 19:30.45 | |Pixel| | then always do table.insert(t, { name... |
| 19:31.27 | SaiBork | yeah, thats another problem, filling the table info sorted to a window |
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| 19:31.47 | SaiBork | thats why i currently use the settext |
| 19:32.08 | SaiBork | if the text in the window is empty start creating it, otherwise add more :P |
| 19:32.52 | |Pixel| | mmmmyeah |
| 19:32.53 | |Pixel| | I see |
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| 19:34.24 | SaiBork | but that is not really a problem, already got rid of the if statement |
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| 19:34.50 | SaiBork | because if the table creates a full info like i want, i need to put that as a total (sorted) into the window |
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| 19:39.51 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47657 10FlexBar2/ (Attributes/Attributes.lua Core.lua): FlexBar2: Fixed a stupid bug with shapeshifts (oops) |
| 19:40.11 | SaladFork | Sai |
| 19:40.17 | SaladFork | If you're going for optimization |
| 19:40.29 | SaladFork | foobar = { {1,1} {2,2} {3,3} } |
| 19:40.31 | SaladFork | is less efficient than |
| 19:40.42 | SaladFork | foo = { 1, 2, 3 }; bar = { 1, 2, 3} |
| 19:40.42 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47658 10FlexBar2/Attributes/Attributes.lua: FlexBar2: Fixed another stupid bug with shapeshifts (oops) |
| 19:43.05 | SaiBork | well, i just thought 1 table would be easier |
| 19:43.37 | orionshock | one table works best when u got a shit load of information and it won't matter :D |
| 19:44.04 | SaiBork | well, bags dont get that full, i mean we dont have the bags on the ptr for real yet |
| 19:44.19 | SaiBork | and when we do get them available they wont be that easily to get |
| 19:44.33 | [dRaCo] | cncfanatics: you said something about fb2 being able to replace autobar... any eta on that? |
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| 19:44.58 | cncfanatics | [dRacO], I need to event engine done |
| 19:45.14 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47659 10FlexBar2/Attributes/Attributes.lua: FlexBar2: more typos |
| 19:45.41 | [dRaCo] | easy to use? |
| 19:45.49 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 19:45.51 | cncfanatics | depends what u call easy I gues |
| 19:45.53 | cncfanatics | guess* |
| 19:45.58 | SaiBork | but I also want to sort the table, so if i use 2 tables, foo and bar, how would i sort on bar, but keep them "connected"? |
| 19:46.11 | [dRaCo] | easier than autobar? |
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| 19:48.34 | sylvanaar_work | good morning |
| 19:48.38 | SaiBork | morning |
| 19:48.40 | NightHawkAtWork | says you. |
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| 19:48.42 | cncfanatics | [dRaCo], probably not, as u'll configure everything by hand |
| 19:49.01 | [dRaCo] | but better? |
| 19:49.24 | sylvanaar_work | well, you are your usual chippy self NightHawkAtWork |
| 19:50.16 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.43 | cncfanatics | with flexbar u could catch new items event out of combat, and add buttons dynamicaly, so its probably not much code, but still |
| 19:50.45 | NightHawkAtWork | sylvanaar_work: i try. :) |
| 19:51.21 | sylvanaar_work | NightHawkAtWork read the WAU thread - that will push you over the edge rofl |
| 19:51.33 | sylvanaar_work | or is that just me |
| 19:51.55 | NightHawkAtWork | sylvanaar_work: lol, nah, I'd rather avoid any obvious masochism. I get enough of that at work |
| 19:52.46 | sylvanaar_work | NightHawkAtWork for me work is the opposite - good times and smiling faces |
| 19:52.55 | sylvanaar_work | wierd huh? |
| 19:53.12 | zeeg | so this is fun |
| 19:53.21 | zeeg | i accidently just made Curse's file search not suck ;) |
| 19:53.32 | AnduinLothar | accidently? |
| 19:53.38 | zeeg | well i was improving the page |
| 19:53.43 | zeeg | and i changed the search to improve it |
| 19:53.48 | zeeg | and now its.. very very accurate :P |
| 19:53.49 | AnduinLothar | KarlThePagan: ping |
| 19:53.53 | zeeg | and you can use multiple tags etc |
| 19:53.57 | KarlThePagan | AnduinLothar, pong |
| 19:53.59 | NightHawkAtWork | zeeg: ... i'm torn, i want to make a smarmy remark about directing it to somewhere like wowi, but wowi's search sucks too. >< |
| 19:54.06 | zeeg | well, the new one (not live yet) |
| 19:54.09 | zeeg | :P |
| 19:54.10 | AnduinLothar | WTB arenas. I respec'd holy for a bit |
| 19:54.12 | sylvanaar_work | NightHawkAtWork lol |
| 19:54.22 | zeeg | NightHawkAtWork, ya i want to say this ones going to be hard to top, but im not sure as i dont use other sites |
| 19:54.36 | zeeg | its very very useful, ill make sure i spam you with a link when i push it to the dev site |
| 19:54.46 | KarlThePagan | :( freeze week here, after 8pm maybe |
| 19:54.49 | NightHawkAtWork | maybe it's just me, but in the past, wowi and curse's file searches have been pretty poor |
| 19:54.54 | zeeg | ya |
| 19:55.09 | zeeg | i think ive finally made it to where it finds pretty much antyhing you wnt, no matter how you search for it :P |
| 19:55.19 | zeeg | klh, ktm, klh theat meter, all match correctly for example :) |
| 19:55.37 | zeeg | and it still offers the advanced options + some more |
| 19:55.45 | SaiBork | Pixel/SaladFork: http://ace.pastey.net/72863 |
| 19:55.50 | SaiBork | my updated code |
| 19:55.58 | SaiBork | sort wont work |
| 19:56.12 | NightHawkAtWork | zeeg: neat. |
| 19:56.47 | SaiBork | also, this still prints per item, so not a full list im affraid, so i also think, thats why it wont sort |
| 19:59.09 | SaiBork | oh, im getting further |
| 20:03.50 | zeeg | i have a question for your all since this pertains the ace section |
| 20:03.53 | SaiBork | ok peeps, any help on the sorting of 2 tables? http://ace.pastey.net/72865 |
| 20:03.58 | zeeg | ok so you have this page: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/ace/ |
| 20:04.07 | zeeg | do you think it'd be useful to offer this: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/search/?q=&dosearch=Advanced |
| 20:04.14 | zeeg | but it would only search within Ace (or any other brand) |
| 20:04.37 | zeeg | either that or it pretty must just displays... |
| 20:04.51 | zeeg | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/ace/browse/ this page |
| 20:05.13 | zeeg | err sorry, i mean by default |
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| 20:05.45 | zeeg | answered my own question, sorry ;) |
| 20:06.29 | kenlyric | don't be sorry. |
| 20:06.33 | kenlyric | That's the best question. |
| 20:06.37 | SaiBork | thats the easy way :P |
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| 20:13.20 | zeeg | ok heres a good question for you guys |
| 20:13.34 | NightHawkAtWork | 42 |
| 20:13.45 | zeeg | it was 36 :( |
| 20:13.53 | NightHawkAtWork | no, you made a mistake. |
| 20:14.13 | zeeg | anyways, http://wow.curse.com/downloads/browse/addons/ -- with the interface, you can basically append filters, select a cat, then select a brand, then select a game version -- do you like this system, or do you feel it should just show all "Audio" files when selecting Audio, rather then showing all Ace Audio with version of 2.12 since you had those selected |
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| 20:17.57 | sag_ich_nicht | changing the chatfont to one i added in with SML |
| 20:17.58 | sag_ich_nicht | how |
| 20:18.00 | sag_ich_nicht | quick! |
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| 20:21.46 | NightHawkAtWork | wow, that -was- fast. |
| 20:23.28 | Amadeo | He used Comcast |
| 20:24.11 | NightHawkAtWork | Amadeo: hah, well that is fast for comcast, i guess |
| 20:24.33 | Amadeo | Comcast is fast at giving you terrible customer service and technical support :P |
| 20:24.57 | kergoth | true that |
| 20:25.15 | Amadeo | You use a router? Sorry, we don't support routers! |
| 20:25.15 | kergoth | and they block inbound port 25 and 80, fuckers. |
| 20:25.44 | Amadeo | The incoming line from the cable box to your house is bad? Try rebooting your cablemodem and plug it directly into your PC! |
| 20:26.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:26.25 | NightHawkAtWork | i'll plug the cable differently into you! |
| 20:26.56 | Amadeo | One time I told them that one of the ISPs they have contracts with had a bad router and gave them the information they needed |
| 20:27.02 | Amadeo | they told me they'd have to send a tech to my house for that |
| 20:27.34 | Pkekyo | does BigWigs provide a MT target frame? |
| 20:27.43 | durcyn | no, Pkekyo. see oRA2 for that. |
| 20:28.39 | Pkekyo | thanks...was trying to figure out what the flying fuck that MTT frame was there for and what it was caused by :> |
| 20:31.06 | SaladFork | phyber - You there? |
| 20:31.11 | phyber | SaladFork: yup |
| 20:31.37 | SaladFork | phyber - http://sf.pastey.net/72870 |
| 20:31.50 | phyber | fixed an hour or so ago |
| 20:31.54 | SaladFork | Kk, let me update |
| 20:32.00 | SaladFork | Does that also fix Show Zero being untogglable? |
| 20:32.15 | SaladFork | .wau update |
| 20:32.46 | phyber | show zero wasn't untoggalable, but the error probably made the menu not refresh |
| 20:32.51 | SaladFork | ah |
| 20:32.51 | phyber | so it appeared untoggleable |
| 20:32.59 | SaladFork | Much thanks |
| 20:33.15 | ckknight | hey all, back |
| 20:33.21 | SaladFork | Heh |
| 20:33.45 | SaladFork | I'm finally under 200 addons total |
| 20:33.46 | SaladFork | =D |
| 20:33.46 | ckknight | I've decided I want to claim the title "Chief Architect" on my projects |
| 20:34.01 | ckknight | it both sounds pimp and makes it feel more professional |
| 20:34.24 | durcyn | change your name to billg |
| 20:34.48 | kergoth | ckknight, i have myself down as an architect role in a number of projects on my resume. its a good role to have, guiding the project's direction and design, and does look good |
| 20:35.02 | ckknight | that's totally what I was thinking, kergoth |
| 20:35.18 | ckknight | durcyn: no, I'm ckknight |
| 20:36.08 | SaiBork | SaladFork: can you also tell me how to sort the two tables, but keep them connected (with this i mean, item5 shows its own value and not the value of item3)? |
| 20:36.11 | SaiBork | http://ace.pastey.net/72865 |
| 20:36.46 | ckknight | discord's finally dead |
| 20:36.54 | orionshock | aww... |
| 20:37.02 | orionshock | i kinda like discord |
| 20:37.11 | SaladFork | Sai - I assume that you'd have to use a custom sort function |
| 20:37.18 | SaladFork | /shrug |
| 20:37.19 | deltron | they gave up on it? |
| 20:37.27 | SaladFork | ckknight may know otherwise |
| 20:37.43 | ckknight | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1134195997&sid=1 |
| 20:37.47 | ckknight | I used to use Discord |
| 20:37.51 | ckknight | it was great back in the day |
| 20:37.57 | ckknight | main issue was memory/cpu usage |
| 20:38.03 | ckknight | but the featureset was really nice |
| 20:38.18 | SaiBork | SaladFork - and when i use the table like i had it before as foobar = {{ info }} |
| 20:38.26 | cncfanatics | ckknight, he finaly killed it ? :( |
| 20:38.27 | SaladFork | Ouch, nested table? |
| 20:38.31 | ckknight | yes, cncfanatics |
| 20:38.41 | SaiBork | think it is possible with that? |
| 20:38.41 | cncfanatics | :( sad |
| 20:38.46 | ckknight | *shrug* |
| 20:39.57 | SaiBork | ckknight - since you are so happy with the discord news *grins* have a clue about lua table sorting (with 2 tables, or a nested table)? |
| 20:40.26 | kergoth | how's flexbar2 coming? |
| 20:40.29 | ckknight | SaiBork: you can only sort flat lists, really |
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| 20:40.36 | ckknight | but that's relatively easy |
| 20:40.43 | SaiBork | http://ace.pastey.net/72865 |
| 20:40.44 | ckknight | you can then run ipairs on the list and sort the sub-lists |
| 20:41.06 | cncfanatics | kergoth, usable |
| 20:41.09 | cncfanatics | most features are there |
| 20:41.11 | cncfanatics | just some are lacking |
| 20:41.28 | cncfanatics | mainly the event engine GUI is lacking |
| 20:41.31 | ckknight | SaiBork: issue is that you can't sort two tables at once |
| 20:42.13 | SaiBork | ok, but every table has an index, right? |
| 20:42.20 | Pkekyo | is spell reflect completely fucking useless in kara? |
| 20:42.38 | durcyn | Pkekyo: eh, mostly. |
| 20:43.02 | SaiBork | so what if i sort values (as i want to) and print something like: tableValues[1] + tableNames[1] |
| 20:43.13 | SaiBork | and if its sorted it would go like: |
| 20:43.18 | SaiBork | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.24 | SaiBork | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.27 | sag_ich_nicht | author of clearfont2 here? |
| 20:43.29 | SaiBork | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:43.41 | NimbleRabit | Question to all you programmers out there: is java a good language to learn as your first or would something else be better? |
| 20:43.44 | sag_ich_nicht | Kirkburn|sleep |
| 20:43.45 | sag_ich_nicht | meh |
| 20:43.46 | sag_ich_nicht | he sleeps |
| 20:43.48 | sag_ich_nicht | damnit. |
| 20:43.55 | SaiBork | so the contents of the values table is sorted, but uses the index keys to print the right things? |
| 20:44.01 | sag_ich_nicht | it's not reading in the fonts registered with SML -.- |
| 20:44.24 | Saladin | Anyone here know stuff about discordart? ^^ |
| 20:44.34 | Saint-N | java is evil as alanguage but at least it's a useful job getter ;P |
| 20:44.35 | SaiBork | NimbleRabit - Java isnt easy to start with, but you can use it in lots of places because its OS independent |
| 20:44.47 | sag_ich_nicht | and here is the reason why! |
| 20:44.50 | sag_ich_nicht | Elkano |
| 20:45.03 | SaladFork | Nimble - Java is a great language to learn if you want to get into OOP |
| 20:45.04 | SaiBork | i really dont like java because it involves way too much coding for small standard things :P |
| 20:45.15 | KarlThePagan | for example? |
| 20:45.24 | SaladFork | Getting keyboard input from a user, =) |
| 20:45.30 | SaiBork | draw a button |
| 20:45.31 | Saint-N | displaying the time |
| 20:45.31 | KarlThePagan | System.in.read() |
| 20:45.32 | ckknight | NimbleRabit: I strongly suggest not learning Java as your first language. |
| 20:45.40 | sag_ich_nicht | actually, no |
| 20:45.41 | sag_ich_nicht | not it |
| 20:45.41 | ckknight | NimbleRabit: my recommendation would by Python. |
| 20:45.43 | KarlThePagan | SaiBork, not easy to do in most languages |
| 20:45.43 | sag_ich_nicht | nvm Elkano |
| 20:45.44 | sag_ich_nicht | -.- |
| 20:45.47 | SaladFork | I'd recommend C personally |
| 20:45.54 | Saint-N | python is syntax close to lua |
| 20:45.55 | ckknight | ugh, I don't |
| 20:46.05 | ckknight | I learned C++ first |
| 20:46.07 | SaiBork | a button is easy in C |
| 20:46.09 | ckknight | was probably a bad idea |
| 20:46.09 | Saint-N | iot's fairly straight forward too |
| 20:46.12 | SaiBork | or in Delphi ;) |
| 20:46.18 | SaiBork | just use the toolbar |
| 20:46.22 | Saint-N | python == good |
| 20:46.32 | KarlThePagan | SaiBork, cheater ;P |
| 20:46.35 | NightHawkAtWork | i'd start with python or ruby, imo |
| 20:46.39 | NimbleRabit | What makes java so bad to start with, it sounded easy |
| 20:46.40 | SaiBork | hehe |
| 20:46.42 | sag_ich_nicht | jesus christ |
| 20:46.46 | KarlThePagan | heh |
| 20:46.49 | sag_ich_nicht | WE END THIS DEBATE NOW |
| 20:46.51 | NightHawkAtWork | NimbleRabit: java jsut sucks. |
| 20:46.53 | Saint-N | NimbleRabit: it teaches you bad habits |
| 20:46.55 | sag_ich_nicht | YOU START WITH BASIC |
| 20:47.02 | Saint-N | and it's crappy ;P |
| 20:47.02 | KarlThePagan | assembler |
| 20:47.02 | NightHawkAtWork | sag_ich_nicht: lol. touche. |
| 20:47.07 | Saladin | My simpleminimap is drowned in the frame strata of discortart, but no matter what I set it too, its still on top |
| 20:47.10 | SaiBork | yeah, Basic, then Delphi, then C/C++ |
| 20:47.14 | Saint-N | gwbasic! |
| 20:47.14 | NightHawkAtWork | oh man, i don't ever want to go back to assembly. >< |
| 20:47.19 | Cidan | <3 ASM |
| 20:47.20 | KarlThePagan | learn about the stack and the x86 instruction set |
| 20:47.32 | NightHawkAtWork | KarlThePagan: fuck you and the horse you rode in on. :D |
| 20:47.51 | KarlThePagan | any language with goto's lets you learn bad habbits :P |
| 20:47.54 | sag_ich_nicht | a C programmer who doesn't know a bit about ASM is a damn friggin noob, because he'll never be able to properly code for multi CPU/multicore systems |
| 20:47.57 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 20:48.07 | sag_ich_nicht | "GOTO CONSIDERED HARMFUL" IS BULLSHIT |
| 20:48.12 | sag_ich_nicht | jesus christ when will you people learn |
| 20:48.15 | NimbleRabit | I'll start with python instead then |
| 20:48.19 | sag_ich_nicht | that is FIFTY YEARS OLD |
| 20:48.23 | sag_ich_nicht | it is OUTDATED |
| 20:48.28 | orionshock | cncfanatics: - nice CDT on the flexbar buttons |
| 20:48.30 | KarlThePagan | goto is a bad habbit... it's not harmful but you can't throw it around like a noob and not break shit |
| 20:48.32 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: not 50 |
| 20:48.34 | ckknight | more like 30 |
| 20:48.43 | Saint-N | 10 print "Sag_ich_nicht is poop" |
| 20:48.47 | Saint-N | 20 goto 10 |
| 20:49.04 | sag_ich_nicht | 1968 okay, so it's 40 years next year ckknight |
| 20:49.09 | Saint-N | 5 print "no really he is totally!" |
| 20:49.27 | sag_ich_nicht | i think we can agree that we were both wrong, and the truth lies in the middle :x |
| 20:49.29 | ckknight | alright then |
| 20:49.32 | cncfanatics | orionshock, thanks , I love them too, I really do |
| 20:49.49 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: basically, GOTO referring to line numbers is bad, if you have labels, it's much less evil |
| 20:49.52 | KarlThePagan | at any rate... I would actually encourage someone to start with C# right now |
| 20:50.01 | Cidan | God no |
| 20:50.05 | KarlThePagan | and then look at straight C, and Java, and C++ |
| 20:50.06 | Cidan | never start with a managed language |
| 20:50.18 | NightHawkAtWork | sag_ich_nicht: why you don't use goto: http://xkcd.com/292/ |
| 20:50.21 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight yes. |
| 20:50.24 | KarlThePagan | because it would be too easy to debug Cidan? |
| 20:50.31 | sag_ich_nicht | NightHawkAtWork i have a anti-raptor field. |
| 20:50.33 | sag_ich_nicht | *an |
| 20:50.39 | Saint-N | NightHawkAtWork: yay velociraptors! \o/ |
| 20:50.53 | durcyn | grape juice. |
| 20:51.02 | Amadeo | yuck |
| 20:51.04 | Saint-N | it's sad that we knew which one it was without looking ;P |
| 20:51.07 | sag_ich_nicht | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Considered_harmful |
| 20:51.09 | sag_ich_nicht | now go away |
| 20:51.13 | sag_ich_nicht | and leave my goto alone |
| 20:51.14 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 20:51.16 | KarlThePagan | haha |
| 20:51.17 | Cidan | you make no sense, why would you start with a managed language when you don't have and underlying understanding of how memory works in relation to program execution |
| 20:51.24 | Cidan | and == an, sigh |
| 20:51.41 | sag_ich_nicht | you have to use = |
| 20:51.42 | sag_ich_nicht | not == |
| 20:51.45 | sag_ich_nicht | == is compare |
| 20:51.57 | NightHawkAtWork | not in vb.net >< |
| 20:52.00 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 20:52.04 | ckknight | Cidan: sometimes it's best to learn the basics instead of jumping headfirst into a realm of pointers |
| 20:52.06 | sag_ich_nicht | vb.net is a POS tho |
| 20:52.07 | sag_ich_nicht | so |
| 20:52.08 | sag_ich_nicht | :D |
| 20:52.09 | Saint-N | i say start with python, then learn how to embed ansi c in python, then go to c# |
| 20:52.13 | NightHawkAtWork | sag_ich_nicht: no argument here. i still have to use it. |
| 20:52.14 | durcyn | vb.net is to programming as crayons are to calligraphy |
| 20:52.18 | ckknight | granted, I definitely think people should learn how to deal with pointers and stuff eventually |
| 20:52.23 | Cidan | ckknight, I disagree. You learn the very underlying basics first. |
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| 20:52.30 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47660 10FlexBar2/ (Attributes/Attributes.lua Core.lua Layout/Layout.lua): (log message trimmed) |
| 20:52.30 | CIA-14 | FlexBar2: |
| 20:52.30 | CIA-14 | Core.lua |
| 20:52.30 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.30 | CIA-14 | Attributes.lua: |
| 20:52.30 | sag_ich_nicht | [22:52] <@ckknight> Cidan: sometimes it's best to learn the BASIC instead of jumping headfirst into a realm of pointers |
| 20:52.31 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.32 | sag_ich_nicht | fixed. |
| 20:52.33 | CIA-14 | Layout.lua: |
| 20:52.59 | Cidan | If you want to be a GREAT programmer, learn a managed language and l2code. |
| 20:53.24 | Saint-N | cidan is speaking from experience... the above is an example of something he failed to do ;P |
| 20:53.25 | Cidan | If you want to be a Computer Scientist, learn the underlying structure of machines |
| 20:53.26 | NimbleRabit | I didn't mean to start a debate |
| 20:53.33 | NimbleRabit | lol |
| 20:53.36 | NightHawkAtWork | Cidan: eh, to an extent, ckknight is right, managing memeory and pointers and such is important to learn early, but you can't do that if you can't write a decent program to start with. On some level you need to ignore things like that and actually learn how to design & write a good program |
| 20:53.49 | Cidan | new age coders |
| 20:53.55 | NightHawkAtWork | but, yes, the underlying mechanisc ought to be learnt as early as possible |
| 20:54.03 | Cidan | The world is going to go to hell in a handbasket |
| 20:54.08 | ckknight | Cidan: then let's start people off with 1's and 0's instead of even assembly or C :-P |
| 20:54.17 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 20:54.21 | ckknight | Cidan: I know like 20 languages now, so you know |
| 20:54.22 | Saint-N | NimbleRabit: ya know what a fun way to dive into C? download merc 2.2 source and add edit change fix and expand that into a fun mud game ;P |
| 20:54.28 | cncfanatics | I don't know any of the underlying mechanics of memory or shit at all |
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| 20:54.30 | Cidan | ckknight, sure. I know how to count, add, subtract, multiply and divide in base 2 |
| 20:54.33 | Cidan | don't you? |
| 20:54.41 | ckknight | 1000101 |
| 20:54.42 | Saint-N | and then we'll all play it and give you tips and bug you |
| 20:54.45 | KarlThePagan | if you want to be great learn: java, c#, vb.net, mcsi, scheme, lisp, ML, lua, C, C++, Objective C, x86 and arm assembler, flash, and xml standards in any order |
| 20:54.47 | cncfanatics | Cidan, I don't :) sorry to add in the convo so fast :p |
| 20:55.02 | NightHawkAtWork | Cidan: heh, to be sure, that actually WAS a part of my CS degree, binary math that is. :) |
| 20:55.10 | cncfanatics | meh, I used to be able to do that 3 years ago ckknight, now I can't |
| 20:55.16 | KarlThePagan | doh... and python |
| 20:55.18 | ckknight | 69, baby |
| 20:55.18 | cncfanatics | i'm only 18 though, so plenty time to relearn it :p |
| 20:55.47 | ckknight | well, I'm 20 |
| 20:55.49 | ckknight | so suck it |
| 20:55.51 | NimbleRabit | Saint-N: that sounds like a bitch of a way to start =P |
| 20:55.56 | ckknight | bam! |
| 20:56.06 | Cidan | also |
| 20:56.09 | Cidan | Saint-N, die. |
| 20:56.11 | Cidan | :D |
| 20:56.21 | Zicon | ckknight: You are such a geek. |
| 20:56.31 | sag_ich_nicht | someone here have an idea why clearfont2 is not recognizing fonts registered with SML, but registering it's own fonts with SML just fine? :( |
| 20:56.34 | cncfanatics | ckknight, where u learned ur programming ? |
| 20:56.41 | ckknight | cncfanatics: autopedogogical |
| 20:56.42 | sb | mhhh |
| 20:56.45 | sb | vashj sucks :/ |
| 20:56.55 | cncfanatics | ckknight, same heh |
| 20:56.55 | Saint-N | NimbleRabit: its actually a lot of fun, with a mud you can see what you're working on in application directly, not to mention that you've got examples of how other things work. and how NOT to do things |
| 20:57.02 | ckknight | cncfanatics: yea, started when I was 10 |
| 20:57.08 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 20:57.09 | cncfanatics | lets see |
| 20:57.11 | cncfanatics | ur 20 |
| 20:57.13 | ckknight | my brother, a CS major, brought home a C++ book |
| 20:57.16 | cncfanatics | so I started 4 years with it after u did |
| 20:57.23 | cncfanatics | at my 12th |
| 20:57.29 | ckknight | hrm |
| 20:57.34 | cncfanatics | I started with php though & html |
| 20:57.36 | NightHawkAtWork | Saint-N: heh, i used to work on a mud (that never got off the ground :\ ) and yeah, it was a lot of fun |
| 20:57.48 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 20:57.49 | sag_ich_nicht | someone here have an idea why clearfont2 is not recognizing fonts registered with SML, but registering it's own fonts with SML just fine? :( |
| 20:57.54 | Cidan | Being a good computer scientist has nothing to do with the languages you learn but how you learn to apply them in abstraction and method. A good scientist knows how to program in any language; given the syntax, nothing else matters. |
| 20:57.55 | KarlThePagan | I knew enough basic at 10 to run loops and load games for my Commodore 64 |
| 20:58.05 | Kain_ | you know what's a cool processor to write assembler on.... 9S12X from freescale... CISC and RISC on same chip |
| 20:58.08 | Saint-N | NightHawkAtWork: it almost begnins to feel like it's not learning at a certain point, more an exercise in making your game more fun ;P |
| 20:58.13 | NightHawkAtWork | sag_ich_nicht: possibly because CF2 isn't coded to recognize SML fonts, merely register its own? |
| 20:58.40 | NightHawkAtWork | Cidan: agreed. |
| 20:58.47 | Saint-N | Kain_: what machine had that?\ |
| 20:58.47 | cncfanatics | Cidan, I probably *could* code in C++ with some effort if I wanted to |
| 20:58.51 | cncfanatics | I can read it so :p |
| 20:59.03 | cncfanatics | I have no idea how to manage memory & stuff in c++ though, i'd have to lookup the funcs |
| 20:59.05 | Kain_ | its a microcontroller Saint for automotive / industrial applications mainly |
| 20:59.11 | NightHawkAtWork | That's probably how i got this job doing vb.net development, despite never having even looked at vb.net previously. \o/ |
| 20:59.24 | NightHawkAtWork | (or any .net, actually) |
| 20:59.26 | Cidan | It just annoys me that people (no one in here) go around and say, "I WANT TO BE A CS MAJOR JAJAJAJJA" and really have no idea what the hell it means to be a CS. |
| 20:59.29 | Saint-N | ahh i remember mucking around hardware side with the old dec alphas and sun hardware back in the day |
| 20:59.31 | Kain_ | for ABS systems / transmission control |
| 20:59.39 | Saint-N | i <3 risc |
| 20:59.42 | NightHawkAtWork | Cidan: yeah, that's bothered me in the past too. |
| 20:59.50 | NightHawkAtWork | most of them really want to be software engineers. |
| 20:59.57 | Cidan | NightHawkAtWork, ding. |
| 21:00.04 | Mudkipz | lol |
| 21:00.14 | NightHawkAtWork | of course, us CS people laugh at software engineers only slightly less than we laugh at IT people |
| 21:00.18 | Mudkipz | some douche just tried to phish me on steam |
| 21:00.21 | KarlThePagan | I would hope most of them want to write code that makes cool things happen... because actual software engineering is boring |
| 21:00.26 | Cidan | IT people are like, heh |
| 21:00.26 | Cidan | :D |
| 21:00.32 | cncfanatics | Cidan, CS = ? :p |
| 21:00.36 | Cidan | just, heh |
| 21:00.39 | Kain_ | the RISC core on it is pretty nice but is lacking some instructions... they really designed it to be a data mover and offload the main CISC core to do calculations |
| 21:00.42 | NightHawkAtWork | Cidan: at my college, among CS students the joke was that IT stood for "I transferred" |
| 21:00.49 | Cidan | haha |
| 21:00.50 | Saint-N | cidan: depends on the IT person ;P |
| 21:00.53 | Cidan | that's great |
| 21:01.04 | sag_ich_nicht | [22:58] <NightHawkAtWork> sag_ich_nicht: possibly because CF2 isn't coded to recognize SML fonts, merely register its own? <--that is retarded, and the readme claims different. hacked the lua file for now to get it to recognize my font -.- |
| 21:01.07 | cncfanatics | Cidan, what does CS stand for, not used to the english abreviations here :) |
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| 21:01.18 | Cidan | computer science |
| 21:01.19 | NimbleRabit | computer science |
| 21:01.21 | Saint-N | a self taught "IT" person who has no school or certs > someone who got into it because "its the field to be in to make money" |
| 21:01.22 | NightHawkAtWork | sag_ich_nicht: I'm honestly just guessing, so don't take me as gospel. :) |
| 21:01.28 | orionshock | ... and they don't call locks overpowered anymore? "[Splinter] Shadow Bolt Crit [You] *5373* " |
| 21:01.42 | cncfanatics | Saint-N , thats me :p I'm planning to go study CS in a year though :) |
| 21:01.48 | NightHawkAtWork | Saint-N: well, that's the case with any field though |
| 21:01.50 | Kain_ | Saint-N :-D |
| 21:01.52 | Amadeo | orionshock: That's with you having 400 resil? :P |
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| 21:02.04 | orionshock | lol no 53 |
| 21:02.04 | Saint-N | me too been screwing with computers networking hardware and software since about 81 |
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| 21:02.07 | Amadeo | lol |
| 21:02.11 | Saint-N | took 5 years off to skateboard |
| 21:02.18 | Kain_ | Saint-N: i nearly failed out of HS but basically taught my programming class to the teachers :-D |
| 21:02.19 | Saint-N | and got back into it in 89 ;) |
| 21:02.28 | NimbleRabit | I haven't decided what to major in yet myself, CS is an option but I dunno |
| 21:02.37 | NightHawkAtWork | major in philosophy |
| 21:02.39 | NightHawkAtWork | :D |
| 21:02.41 | NimbleRabit | No. |
| 21:02.44 | orionshock | *correction that's no reiliance |
| 21:02.50 | Saint-N | major in math ;P |
| 21:02.54 | Saint-N | minor in physics |
| 21:03.03 | NightHawkAtWork | double major in cs/math! have a heart attack by 25! |
| 21:03.07 | NimbleRabit | lol |
| 21:03.08 | NightHawkAtWork | or an anurism. |
| 21:03.13 | Saint-N | become obsessed and smelly, write books about imaginary theorys like string theory and become rich ;P |
| 21:03.18 | Amadeo | I majored in CS once, was great at Office :P |
| 21:03.27 | Saint-N | hahahaha |
| 21:03.41 | Cidan | Psh |
| 21:03.47 | Cidan | Math is by far the easiest subject |
| 21:04.00 | NimbleRabit | Hmm no |
| 21:04.06 | Cidan | No interpretation, you're either right or wrong. |
| 21:04.10 | Cidan | Well, most of the time anyways. |
| 21:04.14 | NimbleRabit | interpretation doesn't make something hard |
| 21:04.18 | NimbleRabit | it makes it easy |
| 21:04.20 | NightHawkAtWork | well, until you start making your own stuff up :P |
| 21:04.22 | Cidan | I disagree. |
| 21:04.34 | Saint-N | math may be right or wrong |
| 21:04.37 | KarlThePagan | art is hard? |
| 21:04.43 | Saint-N | but its the steps in between that make you insane |
| 21:04.50 | Cidan | Interpretation is it self a bias thing in essence. |
| 21:05.06 | NightHawkAtWork | actually, art IS a pain, you spend a fortune on materials and have stupid long studio classes and stuff, or so i hear, at least. |
| 21:05.06 | NimbleRabit | Doesn't make it hard |
| 21:05.07 | Cidan | You simply can not please everyone with your work in such a manner |
| 21:05.13 | Saint-N | anything that has subjective value it's all that useful ;P |
| 21:05.31 | Cidan | and if the person you are trying to please is, say, your instructor |
| 21:05.33 | Saint-N | i dont quite understand how art can be a class |
| 21:05.34 | Cidan | well, then, good luck. |
| 21:05.38 | Saint-N | either you're good at it or you arent |
| 21:05.56 | NimbleRabit | Cidan: you mean actually pay attention and learn how your teacher thinks, then feed them what they want and get an easy A? |
| 21:06.00 | Saint-N | it's not like taking 8 years of art school is gonna make you more creative and artistic |
| 21:06.12 | Amadeo | That's the job of drugs |
| 21:06.15 | NightHawkAtWork | Saint-N: a lot of it is methodology and such |
| 21:06.25 | Saint-N | NightHawkAtWork: it's still not something that can be taught |
| 21:06.29 | Cidan | NimbleRabit, to do so would betray who you are. I would rather take a B or C than to change who I am to please someone. |
| 21:06.31 | NightHawkAtWork | Saint-N: i beg to differ. |
| 21:06.38 | NightHawkAtWork | you can teach someone how to craete a particular effect |
| 21:06.42 | NightHawkAtWork | or use a particular medium/material |
| 21:06.51 | Saint-N | thats not learning thats mimicry |
| 21:06.51 | Cidan | I write how I write given a set of rules; outside of that, interpretation be damned. |
| 21:07.03 | NightHawkAtWork | Saint-N: how is it any less learning than learning how an algorithm works? |
| 21:07.08 | NimbleRabit | I'm one of those wierdos who can please others without changing their own views |
| 21:07.29 | Saint-N | ngiht: thats just it, the good "math" people as it were are the ones that make up new algorythms that work |
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| 21:07.49 | Saint-N | the ones that teach and ONLY teach are just better at memorization and mimicry |
| 21:07.51 | NightHawkAtWork | Saint-N: and you can guarantee that they all understood how the existisng ones worked. |
| 21:08.06 | Cidan | Rather, let me correct my self, I wouldn't flat out lie about my style and/or method to pelase someone. |
| 21:08.28 | NimbleRabit | Meh |
| 21:08.41 | Saint-N | NightHawkAtWork: but without an apptitude in the first place you're not gonna get anything new out of it and thus you've essentially "learned" nothing |
| 21:09.12 | Xinhuan | you still need a information base to start with before you can create something new. |
| 21:09.19 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47661 10FlexBar2/Keybindings/Keybindings.lua: |
| 21:09.19 | CIA-14 | FlexBar2: |
| 21:09.19 | CIA-14 | Keybindings.lua: |
| 21:09.19 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.20 | Saint-N | as math goes, i can do the algebra, and calc and vectors and shit, but thats not to say that i like it, that im fast at it or that ill create new things |
| 21:09.25 | NightHawkAtWork | Saint-N: i'm not trying to argue that you can teach artistic inspiration, but you CAN teach methodologies. It's the same for many subjects. you can have someone who has a great "aptitutde" for math, but they still need to learn the basics before they can really do anything useful |
| 21:09.38 | NightHawkAtWork | art is probably more lenient in that regard, but the same applies |
| 21:09.39 | Saint-N | Xinhuan: true enough, but as far as art goes, you've got creators and mimics |
| 21:10.16 | NimbleRabit | NightHawkAtWork: I agree. You can't make somebody who is bad competent, but you can sure as hell help somebody competent become good |
| 21:10.19 | Saint-N | creators look to methods as a way to expand thier ability, mimics look at methods as a way of doing whats popular ;P |
| 21:10.42 | Saint-N | thats why i find art classes so incredibly funny |
| 21:10.58 | NightHawkAtWork | Saint-N: the creators have to learn those methods somewhere |
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| 21:11.43 | Saint-N | to a degree yes, but out of a class of say 400 it's a fairly good rationale to expect about 2% of those to be decent and only 1% of those to be exceptional |
| 21:12.06 | Saint-N | where as, MOST mathmeticians and physisists and the like ARE good period |
| 21:12.24 | Saint-N | **mainly because they're all autistic social outcasts, but still ;P* |
| 21:12.29 | NightHawkAtWork | Eh, now I think you're just making broad and unbased generalizations |
| 21:12.44 | Saint-N | NightHawkAtWork: actually iw as thinking about my univ ;P |
| 21:12.56 | Saint-N | we had a tech school right across the street from the cities art school ;P |
| 21:13.18 | Saint-N | the numbers are prolly made up, but i'd hazard that it would be fairly close |
| 21:13.20 | NightHawkAtWork | Saint-N: my university has very good tech departments AND art departments :P |
| 21:13.40 | NightHawkAtWork | which is odd, as it's a tech school |
| 21:13.46 | Saint-N | there is also the argument as brought up before that math andthe like arent subjective while music and art are. |
| 21:13.56 | NightHawkAtWork | but i guess having kodak/xerox/fuji in the same city goes a long way for an art department |
| 21:14.03 | Saint-N | NightHawkAtWork: it's not odd at all... most artsy people have nerd friends ;P |
| 21:14.32 | Saint-N | and some would argue that math is beautiful and artistic i9n it's own ;P |
| 21:14.47 | NightHawkAtWork | i would :) |
| 21:14.54 | Saint-N | i feel that way towards most equations |
| 21:14.56 | Saint-N | and proofs |
| 21:14.56 | NightHawkAtWork | but i would say the same about programming |
| 21:15.48 | Saint-N | i may not fully udnerstand them on the level of the creator butyoucan't help but sit back in stunned awe at some of them |
| 21:15.48 | Saint-N | NightHawkAtWork: there's a reason we refer to some coding as "ugly " ;) |
| 21:16.10 | cncfanatics | while talking about studies |
| 21:16.31 | cncfanatics | i'm starting my last year before univ, anyone recommend & univ for someone intrested in programming/hacking ? |
| 21:16.52 | Hjalte | I never figured out how to use Itemvalue_DrDamage. Anyone cares to explain? |
| 21:17.43 | sag_ich_nicht | help |
| 21:17.54 | sag_ich_nicht | i want to change the font of the chatframe, and ONLY the chatframe |
| 21:18.18 | cladhaire | then make a new font object |
| 21:18.19 | cncfanatics | sag_ich_nicht, do SetFont on the fontstring of the chatfraem ? |
| 21:18.24 | cladhaire | and set the font of the scrolling message frame |
| 21:18.43 | cladhaire | and please stop spamming two different channels |
| 21:18.56 | sag_ich_nicht | cladhaire i stopped asking in #wowi-lounge already |
| 21:19.04 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
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| 21:23.38 | cncfanatics | is wowi-lounge still as inactive as it used to be ? |
| 21:23.42 | cncfanatics | havent joined it in ages |
| 21:24.03 | Xinhuan | there's actually about 3x as much chat there than here |
| 21:24.05 | cladhaire | its never been inactive. |
| 21:24.23 | Xinhuan | at the moment that is |
| 21:24.39 | cladhaire | it has downtime, same as this channel depending on who's awake |
| 21:24.42 | sag_ich_nicht | also cladhaire i crossask because that increases the probability to get an answer, YOU happen to chat in both channels, but not everyone does, e.g. cncfanatics |
| 21:24.55 | Xinhuan | actually, maybe not |
| 21:24.56 | sag_ich_nicht | so don't complain to it about me :P |
| 21:25.01 | cladhaire | sag_ich_nicht: yes, but you were spamming both channels, not asking in both |
| 21:25.05 | cladhaire | you asked about 14 times in each :P |
| 21:25.06 | Xinhuan | i have a buffer of 1000 lines for both channels and checking the topmost line |
| 21:25.09 | cladhaire | i don't mind cross-asking |
| 21:25.10 | sag_ich_nicht | cladhaire: no :P |
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| 21:25.20 | Xinhuan | both channels are about 4 hours old of text in my buffer |
| 21:25.30 | sag_ich_nicht | i just repeated the question because i didn't even get a "no" :P |
| 21:25.44 | sag_ich_nicht | which i consider bad manners :P |
| 21:25.49 | kergoth | then you're obviously new to irc |
| 21:25.50 | cncfanatics | lets add it to the autojoin list then |
| 21:25.55 | sag_ich_nicht | kergoth no, i'm just a dick |
| 21:26.00 | kergoth | if you want everyone in the channel to say no, you're crazy, or a jackass |
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| 21:26.03 | kergoth | or both |
| 21:26.05 | kergoth | most likely both |
| 21:26.08 | sag_ich_nicht | <3 |
| 21:26.13 | cncfanatics | ok, lets all say "no" now |
| 21:26.14 | cncfanatics | no |
| 21:26.16 | cladhaire | no |
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| 21:26.55 | Funkeh` | hey all |
| 21:28.04 | ckknight | no |
| 21:28.26 | SaiBork | HA I DID IT!! |
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| 21:28.47 | SaiBork | nested tables ftw! |
| 21:30.16 | Xinhuan | if i want to generate menus and submenus and more submenus, is the best way to store all that data in tables inside numerically indexed tables inside numerically indexed tables? |
| 21:30.50 | ckknight | memory-wise |
| 21:31.11 | Xinhuan | numerically indexed because you want menuitems to appear in a certain order |
| 21:31.46 | sag_ich_nicht | meh |
| 21:31.52 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll just hack clearfont2 to do what i want |
| 21:32.19 | Xinhuan | i'm not sure if that's the best format because i have such a table that is about 120 kb in size |
| 21:32.20 | Xinhuan | ~_~ |
| 21:32.21 | purl | :/ |
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| 21:35.37 | CIA-14 | ElkBuffBars |
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| 21:37.12 | stavmar_ | which link should I provide to my guild if they need to download an ace mod in that the link would always be the latest version of the mod? Like a direct .zip download, externals included. |
| 21:37.38 | Xinhuan | http://files.wowace.com/ |
| 21:37.54 | clad|book | http://files.wowace.com/AHsearch/AHsearch.zip should do it. |
| 21:38.06 | clad|book | the ModName/ModName.zip should be synlinked to the most recent file, or at least it was at one point. |
| 21:38.11 | stavmar_ | but I want to download the specific mod that would mean they would need to search for the mod |
| 21:38.26 | stavmar_ | clad|book: i tried this with omen and got a 404 error? |
| 21:38.26 | Funkeh` | stavmar_: follow clad|book's link |
| 21:38.43 | clad|book | files.wowace.com/Omen/Omen.zip works just fine. |
| 21:38.44 | Funkeh` | Like stated by clad it is the altest version all the time. |
| 21:38.49 | cncfanatics | http://files.wowace.com/Omen/Omen.zip is fine |
| 21:38.52 | Funkeh` | latest* |
| 21:38.57 | stavmar_ | ty all |
| 21:42.49 | stavmar_ | oh one other thing is there a link for "without exteranls" similar to the ones you all mentioned above? |
| 21:43.44 | Funkeh` | yes |
| 21:43.59 | Funkeh` | http://files.wowace.com/Omen/no-ext/Omen.zip I think |
| 21:44.16 | stavmar_ | Funkeh`: seems to have worked TY again |
| 21:44.53 | stavmar_ | and I still cannot get my mem usage belo 47 at teh start without turning off cartographer and PitBull, This is outside of raid just doing dailys and what not. It is just crazy |
| 21:45.39 | Funkeh` | That isn't really that bad. |
| 21:45.47 | Funkeh` | My UI is pretty highly customized. |
| 21:46.11 | Funkeh` | I've got part of nearly every mode cut out or off completely |
| 21:46.25 | Funkeh` | parts* mod* |
| 21:46.32 | Funkeh` | colds fingers |
| 21:46.56 | stavmar_ | aah |
| 21:47.10 | Funkeh` | I think I have half the Quartz modules off for example |
| 21:47.18 | Funkeh` | Within the menu. |
| 21:47.31 | stavmar_ | same i have focus timers and target timers on and the main casting bar the rest is off |
| 21:49.05 | Jaxon | Don't worry about static memory usage, worry about rapidly increasing memory usage when there shouldn't be. |
| 21:49.27 | Funkeh` | Yeah I told him yesterday but it seems hes fond of low numbers. |
| 21:49.45 | Funkeh` | Antiarc: ping |
| 21:49.49 | Antiarc | pong |
| 21:49.57 | Funkeh` | Did you manage to fix the sig thing? |
| 21:50.10 | Antiarc | Not yet |
| 21:50.15 | Funkeh` | Alright. |
| 21:51.40 | stavmar_ | Jaxon: I am always watching the increasing numbers as they happen when different mods are in use, I would start and stay about 47MB then move into the sixties after about 20 minutes of play, using various ace mods. But I will keep a closer eye.. |
| 21:52.45 | Jaxon | IIf you just want smaller numbers, have you tried AddonLoader so everything isn't getting kicked in at once? |
| 21:52.52 | Jaxon | s/IIf/If/ |
| 21:54.02 | sag_ich_nicht | finally |
| 21:54.11 | stavmar_ | i have not yet tried it, I guess the real issue is weather a high level of mem usage that is stable, not climbing beyond a magical number, will not affect FPS? The only outcome I truly care about in teh end |
| 21:54.26 | sag_ich_nicht | after uncommenting 2/3s of ClearFont2s code, it changes only the chatframe font. |
| 21:54.31 | Silowyi | wasn't there an ace2 mod that switched out weapons depending on which skill you used or something like that? |
| 21:54.59 | nevcairiel | switching your weapon results in gcd |
| 21:55.05 | nevcairiel | wouldnt really work well |
| 21:55.05 | Silowyi | not for rogues |
| 21:55.06 | Jaxon | sag_ich_nicht: isn't there a Prat module that changes Chatframe font? |
| 21:55.15 | nevcairiel | sure for reogues too |
| 21:55.19 | nevcairiel | only in combat, tho |
| 21:55.19 | Jaxon | Silowyi: for everyone. |
| 21:55.21 | Silowyi | when did they change that? |
| 21:55.23 | Silowyi | hmm |
| 21:55.24 | Silowyi | well |
| 21:55.35 | Silowyi | I can switch idols in druid form without triggering the global cooldown |
| 21:55.40 | nevcairiel | you cannot |
| 21:55.44 | nevcairiel | get in combat |
| 21:55.44 | Silowyi | yup |
| 21:55.46 | NightHawkAtWork | rogues have a shorter post-weapon-swap-gcd, but they still have one |
| 21:55.47 | nevcairiel | and try it |
| 21:55.49 | Silowyi | done it before nev |
| 21:55.55 | nevcairiel | i am a druid myself |
| 21:55.57 | nevcairiel | i know. |
| 21:56.01 | Silowyi | what happens is you make a macro like this |
| 21:56.28 | Silowyi | /cast Mangle (Cat)() /equip Everbloom Idol |
| 21:56.36 | Silowyi | works like a charm |
| 21:56.54 | Silowyi | because you can swap weapons/idols while on the GCD |
| 21:57.11 | Silowyi | and the penalty for swapping gets hidden. |
| 21:57.14 | NightHawkAtWork | Silowyi: er, but swapping the idle still triggerse a gcd though |
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| 21:57.17 | nevcairiel | but whats the point? you already used mangle at that point oO |
| 21:57.17 | Arrowmaster | but they cause a gcd |
| 21:57.20 | NightHawkAtWork | it just overwrites the alraedy existent one |
| 21:57.25 | sag_ich_nicht | [23:55] <Jaxon> sag_ich_nicht: isn't there a Prat module that changes Chatframe font? <--prat is the devil. |
| 21:57.51 | Arrowmaster | you used to be able to do /equip some sword /cast backstab (although this was back before /equip) and backstab with a swords damage |
| 21:57.53 | NightHawkAtWork | insert proper spelling where appropriate there, i hate this keyboard. stupid curved pos. >< |
| 21:57.55 | Silowyi | The idea, nev, is to start with Idol of the Wild, switch to Everbloom Idol when I use mangle |
| 21:58.20 | Jaxon | sag_ich_nicht: well, I've found half of the included funtionality to be useful, but I've never tried many other chat mods. |
| 21:58.21 | Silowyi | then at 3+ combo points, switch to the rip idol on the next ability. |
| 21:58.32 | Silowyi | then after I use rip or maim, switch back to Idol of the Wild |
| 21:58.56 | NightHawkAtWork | prat's not so bad if you disable the useless junk (about 3/4 of it :P) |
| 21:58.59 | Silowyi | I was going to add combo point checking to the existing weapon switch mod I had found, but it looks like it isn't Ace2 |
| 21:59.11 | [dRaCo] | oh noes! |
| 21:59.19 | Jaxon | Why should that stop you from adding functionality? |
| 21:59.27 | [dRaCo] | "ACE2 or GTFO!" |
| 21:59.33 | Silowyi | Cause I'd rather make a new Ace2 mod that does the same thing :P |
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| 21:59.59 | Silowyi | then try and figure out what someone else was doing. |
| 22:01.15 | Silowyi | TBH I think that weapon swapping doesn't trigger a global cooldown but rather causes a 1 second delay. I'm not sure the exact mechanics but I know that it does not at least show the global cooldown timer on my hotkey bar. |
| 22:02.20 | Funkeh` | Weapon swapping creates a GCD, item swapping creates a spike, the server recognising the swap or something. |
| 22:02.54 | Trancer | weapon swap creates a 1s delay, but if you are handy you swap in the middle of a spell |
| 22:02.57 | Silowyi | ah here it is: |
| 22:03.08 | Trancer | then it doesn't do a thing (well.. 1s delay, which you won't notice) |
| 22:03.08 | Silowyi | Patch 1.7.0: Switching weapons in combat triggers a 1 second global cooldown for all abilities for rogues and a 1.5 second global cooldown for everyone else. |
| 22:03.23 | Trancer | or 1.5 even |
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| 22:04.03 | Silowyi | You know, it would be really nice if there was a single, searchable listing of all previous patch notes... or if such exists, if I knew where it was. |
| 22:04.08 | Funkeh` | Theres a difference between a GCD and a delay. |
| 22:04.20 | Funkeh` | Like I stated. |
| 22:04.38 | Silowyi | right |
| 22:05.13 | JProulxNet | Doesn't Patch.txt have all of the patch notes inside it? |
| 22:05.18 | Silowyi | I should have said it doesn't trigger "the" global cooldown that everything else seems to. Or at least, weapon swapping isn't on the GCD. |
| 22:05.21 | Silowyi | does it? |
| 22:05.33 | JProulxNet | Pretty sure |
| 22:06.17 | Silowyi | hey cool it does |
| 22:06.25 | Silowyi | I always thought it was just a text version of patch.html |
| 22:06.34 | Silowyi | never bothered to even look at the file size |
| 22:06.38 | JProulxNet | heh |
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| 22:10.25 | Psylo | hi |
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| 22:12.04 | Psylo | i can't use the trinket priest book of the town down (i don't know the name in english ^^) with a keyboard shortcut with bartender3 |
| 22:14.38 | Psylo | i can't use it at all in a bartender3 bar :/ |
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| 22:16.39 | PProvost | Has anyone else noticed that yesterday's build of Cartographer_Mining doesn't show Adamantite or Fel Iron nodes? |
| 22:16.57 | PProvost | It may have been there earlier, but I didn't notice it until yesterday. |
| 22:20.33 | clad|book | <3 PProvost |
| 22:20.55 | PProvost | Hey clad, how're you? |
| 22:20.56 | CIA-14 | 03damjau * r47664 10OnScreenHealth/OnScreenHealth.lua: |
| 22:20.56 | CIA-14 | OnScreenHealth: |
| 22:20.56 | CIA-14 | - fix miss typo(ppf -> mf) |
| 22:22.35 | clad|book | PProvost: i'm well, just busy on book #2, heh |
| 22:22.46 | ulic | what's book #2 about? |
| 22:22.51 | Psylo | one bartender3 develloper here ? |
| 22:23.22 | NightHawkAtWork | book 2, you say? |
| 22:23.39 | CIA-14 | 03damjau * r47665 10beql/locales/localization-ko.lua: beql: - update koKR locals |
| 22:23.39 | clad|book | guide a reference to writing wow addons |
| 22:23.45 | clad|book | full api reference, etc. |
| 22:23.55 | NightHawkAtWork | (and i swear, if you say it's going to be a trilogy, and fifteen years later you're still yet to write book 12 and about to die, i will kill you. twice.) |
| 22:23.58 | NightHawkAtWork | :) |
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| 22:24.40 | ulic | PProvost: I see fel iron, but not adamantite. |
| 22:24.59 | PProvost | I see the Adamantite nodes in the data files, but not on screen,. |
| 22:25.05 | PProvost | Haven't dug into it yet. |
| 22:25.20 | ulic | yea I don't seem them on screen. |
| 22:25.39 | ulic | could probably look at the diff and find out what went wrong. |
| 22:26.00 | CIA-14 | 03damjau * r47666 10FuBar_ArenaFu/FuBar_ArenaFuLocals.deDE.lua: FuBar_ArenaFu - update deDE locals |
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| 22:26.29 | ulic | I just mined an adamantite and now I see that node, but not any others still. |
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| 22:30.09 | Huuph | Anyone here I can ask a quick question about PeriodicTable? |
| 22:31.35 | Kain_ | i also got a quick question totally unrelated to any Ace package... does anyone know how to get the combat log back up in SW Stats (the SW Stats one) |
| 22:31.44 | Kain_ | never been able to figure that out... |
| 22:31.53 | CIA-14 | 03ktrigger * r47667 10/branches/Numen-Sorata/ (5 files): |
| 22:31.53 | CIA-14 | Numen: |
| 22:31.53 | CIA-14 | - New set configuration. Sets are saved only on command now. |
| 22:32.24 | Silowyi | Kain_ you mean the window itself? |
| 22:32.31 | Silowyi | right click the icon on the minimap |
| 22:33.17 | Kain_ | no... when you first put it on a comptuer it has it's own combat log that lets you do filtering and such |
| 22:33.25 | Kain_ | if you close it though it seems like you can never get it back |
| 22:33.28 | Silowyi | Oh, I don't know |
| 22:33.32 | Silowyi | I use simple combat log for that |
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| 22:36.15 | Amadeo | I need a Linux pro :P |
| 22:37.06 | JProulxNet | good thing you're on freenode ;-p |
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| 22:37.33 | Amadeo | UbuntuForums never get me anywhere :( |
| 22:37.37 | Amadeo | I post something and nobody replies |
| 22:38.46 | Kain_ | i got a Q about Recoutn now if i may ask... is it stable enough to be used and snych with other people in raid? |
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| 22:39.00 | Kain_ | i keep trying everyw eek or two and usually ends up buggin out one way or another hehe |
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| 22:39.35 | Huuph | Anyone that can tell me why PT:AddData("testdata", {"u,31778:1,31781:1"}) comes back with a "PeriodicTable-3.0: Invalid arg1: name must be a string" error? |
| 22:39.37 | Kain_ | my bad |
| 22:40.07 | kergoth | Huuph, maybe it expects to be called as PT.AddData? |
| 22:41.16 | Huuph | Copied some code from the PT3Bar example addon, uses PT:AddData and seems right since it's a function in the PT library |
| 22:43.00 | Psylo | nevcairiel ? |
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| 22:44.34 | hypetech | does KC_Items remember vendor prices? |
| 22:44.46 | Amadeo | gah, this is why I have no patience for Linux |
| 22:44.56 | Jaxon | Amadeo: I haven't used Ubuntu as a desktop in a while, but I did. |
| 22:45.49 | Amadeo | It just annoys me that when things don't work, it's usually not a simple fix, and even if it was, good luck finding some help with it :P |
| 22:45.52 | Pkekyo | someone name a good tankinggem for a yellow slot? (not +8 def) |
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| 22:45.58 | Diren | I think it has to be PT:AddData("testdata", { "SETNAME"= "u,31778:1,31781:1"}) Huuph |
| 22:46.04 | CIA-14 | 03grayhoof * r47668 10Proximo/Proximo.toc: Proximo: Fix TOC |
| 22:46.14 | Amadeo | Jaxon: I have ACPI errors on boot on this laptop |
| 22:46.17 | Huuph | Diren: Ok thanks will try that out |
| 22:46.34 | Psylo | nevcairiel can you help me with a bartender3 problem ? |
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| 22:47.53 | Jaxon | Amadeo: then thats a kernel thing and not a Ubuntu "we like pretty GUIs" forum help thing. I'd suggest skipping over the forums (which are too large to be useful). |
| 22:48.38 | Amadeo | All I wanted was for a Linux distro to detect all this crap and have it work for me! It's an old laptop, I figured really old hardware would be well supported :) |
| 22:49.09 | CIA-14 | 03lilcure * r47669 10TunnelVision/ (Core.lua Locale-enUS.lua TunnelVision.toc): TunnelVision: Added SharedMedia Font support |
| 22:49.23 | Jaxon | Old, archaic hardware has to be written for specifically and unless there is a developer with that piece of hardware that he wants working, it generally won't happen. |
| 22:49.49 | Amadeo | Well, it's a P3 500Mhz with the same era hardware |
| 22:49.53 | Amadeo | laptop |
| 22:50.37 | Amadeo | So not a 286 or something :) |
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| 22:50.51 | Jaxon | Yeah, but who made the laptop? |
| 22:50.59 | Amadeo | Dell |
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| 22:51.47 | Jaxon | Dell likes to add lots of their own little quirks into their hardware. |
| 22:51.54 | ckknight_ | hey all |
| 22:51.55 | Cidan | Lies! |
| 22:51.56 | Amadeo | I'll probably end up just trying other distros and if nothing works, go back to XP |
| 22:51.59 | Cidan | Dell does nothing as such! |
| 22:52.06 | Jaxon | Amadeo: I'd give Fedora a shot. |
| 22:52.16 | Amadeo | I think I have a Fedora disc around here |
| 22:52.24 | Amadeo | actually, it's the LiveCD |
| 22:52.54 | Amadeo | I was wondering if the Live CD ends up being hindered compared to a normal install |
| 22:53.05 | Amadeo | since I noticed somewhere that it runs a "livecd" process after install |
| 22:53.42 | Jaxon | Most LiveCDs go nuts with hardware auto-detection, installing to a harddrive is usually a performance increase as well, the ability to stay up to date. |
| 22:53.58 | ckknight | Amadeo: I'm a fan of Ubuntu |
| 22:53.58 | ckknight | *shrug* |
| 22:54.20 | Psylo | ckknight can you help me with bartender3 ? |
| 22:54.22 | Amadeo | I think unless you really know what you're doing, there's only really a few distros you can consider |
| 22:54.23 | ckknight | no |
| 22:54.29 | Psylo | :( |
| 22:54.33 | ckknight | Psylo: not my addon |
| 22:54.46 | Psylo | someone use it here ? |
| 22:54.52 | Amadeo | Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, and uh...maybe OpenSUSE - mainly due to support, easier to find |
| 22:55.43 | Jaxon | If you had more patience, I'd suggest an install from scratch or something like ArchLinux but both are generally more involved than most people want for desktop use. |
| 22:55.56 | Cidan | I would never suggest an install from scratch. Ever. |
| 22:55.58 | Cidan | It's pointless. |
| 22:56.09 | Amadeo | Last time I tried Arch I had a kernel panic on install boot |
| 22:56.18 | Amadeo | on my desktop |
| 22:56.49 | Jaxon | Cidan: if anything, its a learning experience and going through it made troubleshooting on other distributions much easier for me. |
| 22:56.55 | Amadeo | I think it was a kernel panic, either way it was something I couldn't get around |
| 22:57.11 | Amadeo | uh oh, looks like Fedora gives me the same ACPI errors |
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| 22:57.30 | Cidan | I can understand it if you want to get into the middle of it all, and perhaps code |
| 22:57.31 | Amadeo | ACPI: [Package] has zero elements (dfb1d5c0) - etc |
| 22:57.45 | Cidan | But I HATE the idea that the end user "should" learn these quirks. |
| 22:58.32 | Amadeo | Cidan: Yeah, there are distributions for that type of stuff...I would like one that just works, isn't that kind of the mentality Apple has? That would work for me |
| 22:58.32 | Cidan | That's why Linux on the desktop can never get anywhere. Ubuntu will be the saving grace of Linux on the desktop. |
| 22:58.50 | Cidan | Right |
| 22:58.53 | Amadeo | I dunno about that, but Ubuntu does have a lot of support |
| 22:59.12 | Cidan | As you get older, you don't give a shit about breaking something down unless it's a hobby or a job for you |
| 22:59.23 | Cidan | You just want it to work so you can go on with your code/etc |
| 22:59.30 | Amadeo | I think that's my problem |
| 22:59.31 | Silowyi | Psylo: if you're still around, I use Bartender3 a lot, what's up? |
| 22:59.35 | Amadeo | I'm tired of fixing stuff |
| 22:59.36 | Amadeo | haha |
| 22:59.49 | Cidan | So am I, I just switched to Debian and Ubuntu all the way around |
| 22:59.57 | Cidan | I really just don't have the time to baby sit my machines |
| 23:00.03 | Amadeo | The reason I'm trying to install Linux to this laptop is because of all the benefits of not having to run Windows, but it pisses me off that I can't have it work properly without a lot of effort |
| 23:00.18 | Silowyi | I've been using CentOS on our servers, it's a RHEL repack |
| 23:00.36 | Silowyi | but we don't use any packages that can't be installed with yum. |
| 23:00.40 | sb | mhh |
| 23:00.43 | sb | centos > FC? |
| 23:00.49 | Silowyi | or rather, we only use packages installable with yum. |
| 23:01.01 | sb | err yes, its fedora now - no core ;o |
| 23:01.02 | Cidan | I only use apt |
| 23:01.07 | Silowyi | FHEL is the enterprice version of FC |
| 23:01.12 | Silowyi | enterprize* |
| 23:01.31 | Cidan | enterprise* |
| 23:01.35 | Cidan | ;P |
| 23:02.15 | sb | so its rhel > centos > fhel > fc? :p (seen as 'more enterprise' :p) |
| 23:02.48 | Silowyi | err RHEL |
| 23:02.50 | Silowyi | not FHEL :P |
| 23:03.03 | Silowyi | RHEL = Red Hat Enterprize Linux |
| 23:03.14 | Silowyi | CentOS is a RHEL repack |
| 23:03.16 | Silowyi | so |
| 23:03.18 | Cidan | Enterprise, please, enterprise. |
| 23:03.20 | Silowyi | CentOS > RHEL > FC |
| 23:03.22 | Cidan | s, S |
| 23:03.29 | Silowyi | really? |
| 23:03.54 | sb | hmm centos > thel? okay :o |
| 23:03.57 | sb | err rhel |
| 23:03.59 | sb | *sigh* :) |
| 23:04.15 | Silowyi | www.centos.org |
| 23:04.46 | sb | mhhhhh so RHEL is commercial version and centos community stuff |
| 23:05.14 | Silowyi | yup |
| 23:05.29 | Silowyi | but anything that works with RHEL works with CentOS |
| 23:05.32 | Silowyi | um |
| 23:05.40 | Silowyi | I wouldn't recommend it as a desktop linux though |
| 23:05.41 | sb | hmyep |
| 23:05.48 | sb | nono, talking about server stuff :) |
| 23:06.07 | sb | still using FC |
| 23:06.20 | Silowyi | truthfully I much prefer OpenBSD for server stuff, but the support is not nearly as wide as RHEL/CentOS |
| 23:07.01 | sb | well... distributon war etc.. ;) |
| 23:07.57 | sb | so centos is what fc was 1-2 years ago? :o |
| 23:08.22 | Psylo | nevcairiel ? |
| 23:08.44 | Silowyi | hmm? no |
| 23:08.55 | sb | no? damn |
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| 23:10.41 | Silowyi | afaik CentOS tends to lag behind RHEL by about 72 hours. |
| 23:10.56 | Silowyi | http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html <-- is probably 80% of the reason I like OpenBSD |
| 23:11.30 | pastamancer | is theo the other 20%? :p |
| 23:11.42 | sb | because its named 'open'? :p |
| 23:11.49 | sb | haha ;p |
| 23:11.52 | sb | okay ;) |
| 23:12.02 | Psylo | someone use bartender3 ? |
| 23:12.20 | Matrix110 | no only you use it |
| 23:13.24 | Pkekyo | YEEEEEEEEEEES! t4 head! FINALLY |
| 23:13.31 | kergoth | grats! |
| 23:13.55 | Silowyi | I do Psylo |
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| 23:15.36 | Pkekyo | within an hour of getting it, I allready spent 200g+ on it |
| 23:15.47 | JoshBorke | grats Pkekyo |
| 23:15.54 | Pkekyo | t4 is such a fuckign moneydrain :< |
| 23:15.59 | Pkekyo | but looks imba as hell |
| 23:16.05 | Pkekyo | thankies JoshBorke and kergoth :> |
| 23:17.01 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather baesj |
| 23:17.07 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Baesj, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (8/5/48). 10347 HP; 8451 Armour; 1594 AP; 209.2 Melee DPS; 24.17% melee crit; 102 melee hit; 7.49% dodge; 10.8% block; 73 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 2727 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2479ww ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2qpbe8 ][ Updated: Tue Aug 28 05:59:56 2007 ]] |
| 23:17.09 | Matrix110 | what is alot better is using ~300g mats to enchant your new ring |
| 23:17.17 | Matrix110 | and 2hrs later the PTR patch goes live |
| 23:17.22 | Matrix110 | and they lower it to 50g |
| 23:17.25 | Pkekyo | l2update armory tbh |
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| 23:17.39 | kergoth | any news on when 2.2 is hitting? |
| 23:17.40 | Pkekyo | Matrix110: agreed |
| 23:17.44 | JoshBorke | not this week :-D |
| 23:17.45 | Pkekyo | kergoth: never EVER |
| 23:17.50 | kergoth | booo |
| 23:17.56 | Matrix110 | kergoth it seems like next week |
| 23:17.58 | Pkekyo | maybe it's a trick |
| 23:18.11 | Matrix110 | but well we never know... |
| 23:18.19 | Pkekyo | maybe they're trying to surprise us and will launch it when so much time has passed that everyone've forgotten 'bout it |
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| 23:18.52 | Matrix110 | i hoped they launch it because of the Gamesconvention so they had a "good" news there |
| 23:19.47 | Pkekyo | kergoth: new gems? |
| 23:20.30 | kergoth | Pkekyo, aye, BOP ones, so jc's get something for them like the other profs have. +24ap, +12crit, unique-equipped |
| 23:20.31 | Matrix110 | there are JC only gems in the patch |
| 23:20.38 | Matrix110 | quite sucky though as they are unique equipped |
| 23:20.44 | kergoth | yea, hate that |
| 23:20.45 | kergoth | :\ |
| 23:21.15 | Matrix110 | but well enchanters only get 2xenchants aswell |
| 23:21.17 | Pkekyo | still it's better than having nothing at all :> |
| 23:21.19 | Matrix110 | JCers get 2-4gems |
| 23:21.35 | Pkekyo | oh well, I'm off...g'nite all |
| 23:22.04 | Xinhuan | i just went on PTR, and noted that the Enchanter-only enchants have 1/3 the mats costs of the live realms |
| 23:22.47 | Xinhuan | like +12 spell damage is something like 2 LPS + 2 GPE |
| 23:22.49 | Xinhuan | instead of 8 each |
| 23:23.17 | Matrix110 | Xinhuan they lowered some mats |
| 23:23.19 | Matrix110 | not all |
| 23:23.21 | sb | hmm |
| 23:23.47 | Matrix110 | all enchanter only ring enchants |
| 23:23.54 | Xinhuan | i only noted that they reduced the mats for the self-only ring enchants |
| 23:23.56 | Xinhuan | nothing else |
| 23:23.57 | Matrix110 | and some of the new old AQ enchants |
| 23:24.03 | Xinhuan | they also changed the Disenchant icon |
| 23:24.03 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 23:24.14 | kergoth | +15agi gets new more sane mats right? |
| 23:24.15 | Xinhuan | imagine patch notes "Changed the Disenchant icon" |
| 23:24.18 | kergoth | to gloves, that is |
| 23:24.20 | Matrix110 | yes kergoth |
| 23:24.25 | kergoth | excellent |
| 23:24.32 | Matrix110 | not excellent-.- |
| 23:24.36 | Xinhuan | it won't be any cheaper kergoth |
| 23:24.42 | Matrix110 | iam like one of the 3 enchanters capable of doing it |
| 23:24.51 | Xinhuan | it's like primal airs and LPS instead of essence of airs and LBS |
| 23:24.56 | Xinhuan | and voids instead of nexu |
| 23:24.57 | Xinhuan | nexus |
| 23:25.01 | Matrix110 | with the patch all morons can do it that never even knew AQ40 exists |
| 23:25.24 | sb | who is AQ40? |
| 23:25.37 | sb | does he drop good stuff? |
| 23:25.38 | Xinhuan | i'm making pretty big money actually, because i can cast all the aq enchants ;p |
| 23:25.39 | sb | :/ |
| 23:25.49 | Matrix110 | same |
| 23:26.04 | Matrix110 | and with 2.2 all enchants can be bought @vendor besides the spelldmg enchants |
| 23:26.14 | Matrix110 | i could charge 25g for a damn enchant |
| 23:26.20 | Matrix110 | and now nothing again-.- |
| 23:27.06 | Ordog | im unlearning enchanting bacause of that |
| 23:27.43 | Matrix110 | ah well thats not worth it |
| 23:27.51 | Matrix110 | ring enchants still make it superior |
| 23:28.10 | Matrix110 | and with 2.3 enchanters get some more enchants afaik |
| 23:28.15 | Matrix110 | or items |
| 23:28.25 | Matrix110 | atleast that was said at the GC |
| 23:34.17 | vithos | ~seen elkano |
| 23:34.19 | purl | elkano <n=elkano@ip-213-135-2-185.handshake.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 1h 45m 45s ago, saying: 'Polarina, I think it will return a usage error'. |
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| 23:41.44 | kebinusan | Cryect pingy |
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