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| 00:14.10 | Silowyi | I feel... sick |
| 00:14.43 | Silowyi | I just let a holy priest SW:D me in 2v2 arena. |
| 00:15.06 | Silowyi | had ice block available, but I was only anticipating the hunter's damage |
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| 00:19.28 | CIA-14 | 03arrowmaster * r47020 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/UrlCopy.lua: Prat: another UrlCopy pattern update, maybe if I get bored enough I'll try to add an IPv6 pattern |
| 00:20.31 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: [hmm...] is the annoying [elipsis...bug] fixed? |
| 00:21.48 | Arrowmaster | the [elipsis....bug] is |
| 00:22.07 | Arrowmaster | that was a stupid error on my part, put a ? when i shouldnt have |
| 00:22.28 | Arrowmaster | theres no way [hmm...] is triggering it |
| 00:22.43 | sb_ | but hmm.... |
| 00:22.48 | sb_ | with 4 dots ;o |
| 00:22.54 | sb_ | oh its fixed ;p |
| 00:23.54 | Arrowmaster | new X.Y.Z pattern is "([%w_.-]+[%w_-]%.%a%a+)", very strict |
| 00:25.37 | Funkeh` | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=101150523&postId=11336947094&sid=1#212 epic fail :( |
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| 00:26.50 | Arrowmaster | i created new patterns for X.Y.Z/ type stuff to prevent more falsepossitives |
| 00:27.32 | sylvanaar | thanks Arrowmaster |
| 00:27.43 | Silowyi | !ap 1657 |
| 00:27.43 | ThraeBot | Silowyi: Arena points from a rating of 1657 is, 2v2: 395, 3v3: 452, 5v5: 565 |
| 00:30.35 | Xinhuan | 7 217.6.50.61 reports: Destination host unreachable. |
| 00:30.37 | Xinhuan | great |
| 00:30.40 | Xinhuan | now i can't connect wow |
| 00:31.50 | Arrowmaster | if urlcopy catchs any falsepositives tell me and ill try to fix it |
| 00:38.38 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: well might have needed 4 dots but yeah did get stuff like that :) |
| 00:40.01 | NeoTron | does curse of tongues actually make you speak demonic? |
| 00:40.28 | Ordog | thats how it was |
| 00:40.39 | Ordog | did they patch it? |
| 00:40.52 | NeoTron | no I'm just curious, never noticed it |
| 00:40.56 | NeoTron | but heard that's the case |
| 00:40.59 | NeoTron | I usually dont CoT myself |
| 00:41.15 | Ordog | havent tried to speak with alliance scum that way ^^ |
| 00:41.38 | Ordog | it was mentioned in several articles tho |
| 00:42.42 | Arrowmaster | it does |
| 00:43.00 | Arrowmaster | then they went and made all the fun bosses immne to it |
| 00:43.19 | Arrowmaster | i wanted to use it on nef atleast once =( |
| 00:44.45 | charon | what am i supposed to do in WoW now that i've reached the point where everyone else would make an alt, but i'm not keen on it _at all_? |
| 00:45.00 | Arrowmaster | raid? |
| 00:45.08 | JoshBorke | pvp |
| 00:45.15 | Arrowmaster | quit the game |
| 00:45.34 | JoshBorke | rule the AH with an iron fist |
| 00:45.41 | Ordog | cancel your subscribition and wait for the next expansion |
| 00:45.42 | mikma | cheat |
| 00:46.17 | mikma | exploring is always fun :P |
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| 00:47.21 | Arrowmaster | become the guild leader of a sucessful pve guild then get depressed about minor setbacks and server transfer to raid with another guild but only tell your current guild the night before you server transfer then go raid with your new guild the very next night |
| 00:48.07 | Ordog | create custom quests |
| 00:48.19 | Ordog | for yourself lol |
| 00:48.51 | Ordog | its really neat to have custom quests for guild exchange stuff like herbs -> gold etc |
| 00:49.05 | Mecdemort | is there a good rangecheck for AUF? the 2 aUF_RangeCheck mods dont seem to work |
| 00:51.13 | charon | hm. the AH plan might work out |
| 00:52.02 | charon | i'm still raiding of course, it's not like we're all through BT and such, but that's "only" 4 nights |
| 00:52.24 | sb_ | hm |
| 00:52.31 | sb_ | get a rl for 3 days? :p |
| 00:52.34 | JoshBorke | charon: don't log in? |
| 00:53.51 | charon | that one was brutally on the spot |
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| 00:54.37 | charon | !seen antiarc |
| 00:54.37 | zenBot | Antiarc was last seen in #wowace at 06:14 20 Aug (18.7 h ago), saying "Vashj down." |
| 00:55.01 | phanx | Anyone have a few minutes to help me with committing to the SVN? |
| 00:55.13 | Antiarc | I'm here |
| 00:55.14 | Antiarc | ish |
| 00:55.16 | Antiarc | Working |
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| 00:55.32 | charon | oh. tbh i didn't even notice, glancing through the nick list -.- |
| 00:55.36 | charon | anything about that patch and stuff? |
| 00:55.40 | phanx | Okay, well, here's the problem. I tested on the sandbox, following the directions of the "SVN for beginners" wiki article, and all was well. |
| 00:55.53 | Antiarc | charon: Heh, I've barely had time to log into WoW lately |
| 00:55.56 | Antiarc | I've logged into raid and that's it |
| 00:56.02 | phanx | But the actual SVN won't let me commit because svn:eol-style isn't set, but TortoiseSVN won't let me set that until it's committed |
| 00:56.39 | Mecdemort | phanx: you need to set that in the global property file for tortoise |
| 00:57.09 | phanx | How do I do that? |
| 00:57.13 | Chompers | you killed vashj Antiarc :D |
| 00:57.16 | Chompers | horay |
| 00:57.21 | charon | Antiarc: ok. i noticed that the lack of saving/default config bothers me so i might make a half-hearted attempt at it sometime |
| 00:57.22 | Mecdemort | is tortoise embeded in your shell? |
| 00:57.30 | phanx | Yes |
| 00:57.32 | Antiarc | charon: I think that's due to addon loaders |
| 00:57.34 | Antiarc | Not sure |
| 00:57.55 | Mecdemort | right click on any file -> TortoiseSVN -> Settings |
| 00:58.16 | Mecdemort | click on Subversion configuration file: Edit |
| 00:58.26 | charon | Antiarc: i mean, the patch as i linked it only implements changing a pullout bar, it doesn't handle setting some kind of default for newly pulled bars |
| 00:58.52 | phanx | Mecdemort: Okay, I'm there |
| 00:58.58 | charon | also, but i don't know how difficult that would be, it would be nice to have pullout bars that compare threat for MT and OT simultaneously, for gruul etc |
| 00:59.48 | Mecdemort | phanx: i sent what to add in a message |
| 00:59.50 | charon | either way feedback would have been nice but i can't blame you for having better things to do ;) |
| 01:00.27 | Antiarc | I'm really sorry. I've just been completely consumed with non-WoW stuff lately :/ |
| 01:01.18 | phanx | mecdemort: Thanks. Apparently I can't send back, so: I see something in there about the 'enable-auto-props' option. Do I need to un-comment that? |
| 01:01.44 | charon | bah. kudos anyway. our attempts at leotheras today failed mostly because the two tanks had only KTM which doesn't handle the aggro resets, while everyone else had nicely resetted but useless omen bars |
| 01:01.54 | Mecdemort | phanx: ya sorry, uncomment enable-auto-props = yes |
| 01:02.59 | phanx | Mecdemort: Thanks, I'll give that a try. |
| 01:03.49 | CIA-14 | 03phanx * r47021 10/OnScreenHealth/ (. OnScreenHealth.lua OnScreenHealth.toc): |
| 01:03.49 | CIA-14 | OnScreenHealth: initial commit (again?) |
| 01:03.49 | CIA-14 | - Simple text displays of health and power for player, target, and pet |
| 01:04.07 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: remember i removed the addonloader stuff from omens toc |
| 01:04.38 | Arrowmaster | btw you missed the trunk |
| 01:05.58 | Mecdemort | phanx: ya /trunk/OnScreenHealth/ |
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| 01:07.48 | CIA-14 | 03phanx * r47022 10/OnScreenHealth/: |
| 01:07.48 | CIA-14 | OnScreenHealth: |
| 01:07.49 | CIA-14 | - setting externals |
| 01:09.09 | charon | good night, i should get some sleep |
| 01:09.33 | Arrowmaster | if i wasnt in the middle of a raid i would tab over to my console window and move that to trunk for him...... |
| 01:10.02 | Funkeh` | phanx: you commited it int he ehad directory |
| 01:10.10 | Funkeh` | in the head* |
| 01:10.15 | Funkeh` | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/ |
| 01:11.18 | Funkeh` | i.e. delete it and commit it into http://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/OnScreenHealth |
| 01:11.36 | jme | woot, 1k dps for me |
| 01:11.41 | jme | 41/20 BM spec |
| 01:13.09 | Arrowmaster | svn move |
| 01:13.27 | Funkeh` | or that |
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| 01:15.01 | sb_ | jme: boss? |
| 01:15.27 | Mecdemort | hmm switch says the path doesnt exist |
| 01:16.49 | phanx | lol... sorry. I'll fix it. |
| 01:16.54 | Arrowmaster | ive never been able to get switch to work |
| 01:17.01 | Arrowmaster | i probably dont know howto properly |
| 01:17.38 | Arrowmaster | irc on one monitor and wow on another is confusing |
| 01:17.46 | Mecdemort | seems straightforward but apparently the folder has to exist first? |
| 01:18.04 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47023 10FuBar_ButtonSmashFu/ (. FuBar_ButtonSmashFu.lua FuBar_ButtonSmashFu.toc): |
| 01:18.04 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: initial commit |
| 01:18.04 | CIA-14 | - Counts how many times you smashed your spell action buttons |
| 01:18.25 | CIA-14 | 03phanx * r47024 10/OnScreenHealth/: |
| 01:18.25 | CIA-14 | OnScreenHealth: |
| 01:18.25 | CIA-14 | - Deleting from the wrong place. |
| 01:18.49 | kebinusan | can you use a /script command or anything to swap people between groups in combat or does it have to be done by hand |
| 01:18.53 | NeoTron | trying to find a good balance between ability to tank (want at least stamina from demonology) and general usefulness (destro is godo but on vashj it wasn't optimal). sigh |
| 01:19.26 | Mecdemort | boo now i cant figure out how to move it ;p |
| 01:19.39 | Arrowmaster | move what? |
| 01:19.43 | CIA-14 | 03phanx * r47025 10OnScreenHealth/ (. OnScreenHealth.lua OnScreenHealth.toc): |
| 01:19.43 | CIA-14 | OnScreenHealth: initial commit |
| 01:19.43 | CIA-14 | - Simple text displays of health and power for player, target, and pet |
| 01:20.09 | phanx | Okay, I think I got it this time. :S |
| 01:20.14 | Mecdemort | success! |
| 01:23.05 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47026 10FuBar_ButtonSmashFu/: |
| 01:23.05 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 01:23.06 | CIA-14 | - setting up externals |
| 01:23.50 | jme | sb_: yeah, shade |
| 01:23.55 | jme | sb_: and the trash up to him |
| 01:26.18 | Chompers | Antiarc: i know you're really busy with your business, but if you get a chance can you add a toggle to Omen to filter out pets |
| 01:26.54 | Xinhuan | have you fixed that shadowfiend thing yet ;p |
| 01:27.34 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: Not yet, no |
| 01:27.43 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47027 10FuBar_ButtonSmashFu/: |
| 01:27.43 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 01:27.43 | CIA-14 | - fixing externals |
| 01:27.51 | Xinhuan | :( |
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| 01:28.13 | CIA-14 | FuBar_PitchFu: |
| 01:28.13 | CIA-14 | - fixing externals |
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| 01:28.49 | Xinhuan | rewriting an addon from scratch is a tiny bit harder than i thought T_T |
| 01:29.16 | Xinhuan | addons written from 2 years ago ftl |
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| 01:30.56 | CIA-14 | FuBar_CraftTimersFu: |
| 01:30.56 | CIA-14 | - fixing externals |
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| 01:32.12 | CIA-14 | FuBar_GemWatchFu: |
| 01:32.12 | CIA-14 | - fixing externals |
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| 01:33.12 | CIA-14 | FuBar_RaidBuffFu: |
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| 01:35.20 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 01:35.20 | CIA-14 | - fixed a nil error when reporting to guild and raid chats |
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| 01:43.34 | ZealotOnAStick | anyone know how I can keep Parrot from defaulting Soul Shard gain notification back on every time I update it? |
| 01:45.13 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r47034 10Recount/Sync.lua: Recount - Friendly Damage syncing is disabled due to an unknown issue for the moment |
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| 01:46.26 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 01:46.26 | CIA-14 | - updated toc |
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| 02:16.21 | Chaotic_D | got WoW and BC in the mail today. I think I'll hold off subscribing until I know whether I can get my addon made any time soon. |
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| 02:25.07 | Funkeh` | later |
| 02:28.39 | jme | about to fight pricne for my first time :X |
| 02:28.53 | jme | is it a pet friendly fight? |
| 02:29.20 | RaydenUni | any suggestions on where to look for a shadow priest belt and/or rings? |
| 02:29.25 | RaydenUni | those are my only green items right now |
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| 02:38.20 | art3mis | what level? |
| 02:38.47 | art3mis | you could get a spellstrike belt |
| 02:39.02 | CIA-14 | 03ricowan * r47036 10RicoMiniMap/ (RicoMiniMap.lua RicoMiniMap.toc): |
| 02:39.03 | CIA-14 | RicoMiniMap: |
| 02:39.03 | CIA-14 | - Added Hide and Show commands |
| 02:39.19 | art3mis | OR find that voidstalker down by oshgun and get a +62shadow damage belt from him, he's a rare though and spawns ever 36 hours or so |
| 02:39.27 | art3mis | Yar the Void Stalker |
| 02:39.37 | jme | wiped on prince at 9% :( |
| 02:39.59 | art3mis | you guys suck |
| 02:40.07 | jme | heh |
| 02:40.10 | jme | we'll get him this time |
| 02:40.12 | art3mis | err i mean.. |
| 02:40.14 | jme | stupid axes got one of our healers |
| 02:40.18 | art3mis | Awww SOOOO close! |
| 02:40.23 | jme | :P |
| 02:40.26 | art3mis | ;) |
| 02:44.01 | RaydenUni | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/08/20/are-instance-drops-really-random/#comments |
| 02:44.02 | RaydenUni | this is true |
| 02:44.15 | RaydenUni | last few dungeons i've run, no cloth has dropped whatsoever |
| 02:44.44 | Arrowmaster | theyre still random |
| 02:44.55 | RaydenUni | it would be nice if dungeons were randomized but restricted to classes in the dungeon |
| 02:45.14 | RaydenUni | getting multiple leather drops when your group is composed of a warrior, a paladin, a mage, a warlock, and a priest sucks |
| 02:45.24 | Mecdemort | hmm anyone know how to remap keyboard keys? |
| 02:45.38 | RaydenUni | ? |
| 02:45.52 | Mecdemort | in windows not in wow |
| 02:46.10 | Arrowmaster | edit your keyboard layout? |
| 02:46.30 | RaydenUni | psuedo random would be better than random |
| 02:46.39 | RaydenUni | only 1 drop per class a dungeon as a rule |
| 02:46.54 | Arrowmaster | all 'random' numbers generated by computers are psuedo random |
| 02:47.27 | RaydenUni | "appear" random |
| 02:47.41 | RaydenUni | 333333332 is a random sequence of numbers |
| 02:47.43 | RaydenUni | prove me wrong |
| 02:47.48 | Arrowmaster | even true random dosnt 'appear' random |
| 02:47.50 | RaydenUni | but very few people would argue that it "seems" random |
| 02:48.01 | RaydenUni | and seeming random would make people happy |
| 02:48.08 | Mecdemort | thats because people dont think random is random |
| 02:48.30 | RaydenUni | people don't know anything about math |
| 02:48.35 | RaydenUni | but they know trends |
| 02:48.46 | Arrowmaster | i had a very high level rogue in a pnp ad&d game once that i swear every time i rolled d6 for sneak attack damage, over half of the d6 where always 6 |
| 02:48.48 | RaydenUni | trends for an individual person have little to do with the overal randomness of the system |
| 02:48.55 | art3mis | each time the loot table is loaded for that mob it generates percentage chances for items, now what you're forgetting that while you're in there its a good chance that at elast 50 other people have loaded that instance |
| 02:49.18 | RaydenUni | art3mis if it is truly random then other people loading the instance has nothing to do with your drops |
| 02:49.22 | art3mis | thus resetting the seeds |
| 02:49.23 | Mecdemort | art3mis: shouldnt matter, any random subset of a random sequence should still be random |
| 02:49.35 | art3mis | random numbers in computers rely on seeds ;P |
| 02:49.37 | Arrowmaster | doesnt work that way |
| 02:49.45 | RaydenUni | i doubt your drops depend on other groups |
| 02:49.51 | Arrowmaster | because people never pick random subsets |
| 02:50.00 | RaydenUni | using the time that the dungeon was started as a seed makes more sense |
| 02:50.12 | art3mis | pick and odd number between 1 and 50 |
| 02:50.16 | RaydenUni | but true random isn't always better than appearing random |
| 02:50.22 | RaydenUni | 3 |
| 02:50.50 | art3mis | now pick a double digit prime with no repeating numbers |
| 02:51.06 | RaydenUni | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=26055 <-- this item only procs if you use it? so its not like the mushroom that does it automatically? |
| 02:51.19 | RaydenUni | is 71 prime? |
| 02:51.48 | art3mis | yes but its not between 1-50 ;P |
| 02:52.10 | art3mis | and in answer to the question yes it's a use thing. |
| 02:52.22 | art3mis | but ist a guarenteed proc ;) |
| 02:52.26 | RaydenUni | 17 |
| 02:52.32 | art3mis | heh |
| 02:52.33 | RaydenUni | i guess its still nice |
| 02:52.40 | art3mis | that had no relevence |
| 02:52.42 | RaydenUni | 900mana occasionally |
| 02:52.46 | art3mis | i just wanted to see what you'd say |
| 02:52.53 | RaydenUni | why? |
| 02:53.01 | art3mis | its useful in fights where you're getting low and your fear brings back a friend |
| 02:53.06 | art3mis | why not? |
| 02:53.14 | art3mis | we were talking about random numbers ;P |
| 02:53.29 | RaydenUni | i just thought you were going somewhere with it |
| 02:53.36 | jme | freaking crap |
| 02:53.37 | RaydenUni | now that i find you aren't i am curious why you asked |
| 02:53.38 | art3mis | nope |
| 02:53.44 | RaydenUni | too many damn 5 man quests |
| 02:53.50 | RaydenUni | and no good way to find groupmates |
| 02:53.53 | jme | prine at like 50% the second time, jeez |
| 02:54.00 | jme | he had us cornered and we couldn't move |
| 02:54.06 | art3mis | you're getting worse |
| 02:54.09 | jme | yeah |
| 02:54.10 | jme | :( |
| 02:54.21 | jme | we've beat him a bunch of times |
| 02:54.49 | RaydenUni | is it just me, or are shadow priests kind of crap vs trash? |
| 02:55.12 | Mecdemort | depends if they FF or dot everything |
| 02:55.22 | duaiwe | *snrk* http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/011376.html |
| 02:55.28 | TNSe | crap vs trash? |
| 02:55.29 | RaydenUni | dot everything is mana expensive and draws aggro |
| 02:55.33 | TNSe | we're crap at aoe |
| 02:55.42 | TNSe | we're pretty imbatastic single target |
| 02:55.42 | RaydenUni | yep |
| 02:55.51 | Mecdemort | dotting everything wont pull any more aggro than dotting individually |
| 02:55.54 | TNSe | so you use VT + MF on trash |
| 02:55.55 | RaydenUni | but when stuff only has 10000 life, it's kind of pointless to drop VE, VT, and SWP on it |
| 02:56.09 | TNSe | exacty |
| 02:56.12 | RaydenUni | i've been trying just VE and VT and my dps is way down |
| 02:56.16 | TNSe | s/exacty/exactly |
| 02:56.22 | RaydenUni | adding in SWD + MB for extra dps |
| 02:56.31 | RaydenUni | on targets that need more |
| 02:56.34 | TNSe | mm |
| 02:56.37 | TNSe | basically |
| 02:56.42 | TNSe | if a mob is expected to live 30s |
| 02:56.44 | TNSe | use sw:p |
| 02:56.49 | TNSe | otherwise, why waste mana |
| 02:56.55 | RaydenUni | Mecdemort it will if your tank has tunnel vision |
| 02:56.58 | TNSe | its not like your mana rege will help that much on trash |
| 02:57.06 | RaydenUni | yea |
| 02:57.08 | Mecdemort | if you want to max your dps just dot everything and drink after every fight ;p |
| 02:57.09 | TNSe | you're there for the dps and utility on trash (cough shield cough) |
| 02:57.21 | RaydenUni | its just annoying to dps around 200 vs mobs, and then 400+ on bosses |
| 02:57.32 | TNSe | heh |
| 02:57.43 | TNSe | I usually win total dps when trash is included |
| 02:57.54 | TNSe | vt+sw:p on alll tanked mobs |
| 02:57.58 | art3mis | rayden on trsh you mb sw:D ve mb sw:d mb mb sw:d |
| 02:58.00 | TNSe | but thats RAIDS |
| 02:58.04 | TNSe | not instances |
| 02:58.10 | TNSe | 5 man instances pretty much suck for dot classes |
| 02:58.11 | RaydenUni | i was running arcatraz last night, with some guildmates who out-gear me, but the warrior and the rogue had WAY more dps over the course of the dungeon |
| 02:58.13 | art3mis | thats how you keep it up ;) |
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| 02:58.22 | RaydenUni | art3mis mb and swd before ve? |
| 02:58.28 | RaydenUni | and VT is so short it seems useful on small targets |
| 02:58.33 | TNSe | yes |
| 02:58.34 | TNSe | in 5 man |
| 02:58.37 | TNSe | use VT, MB, MF |
| 02:58.38 | art3mis | at the start of the fight yeah |
| 02:58.41 | TNSe | screw VE/SW:P |
| 02:58.44 | RaydenUni | yeah i'm only doing 5 man right now |
| 02:58.57 | RaydenUni | we're trying to get ready for KZ but i think we need to do some heroics for gear first |
| 02:58.58 | art3mis | i use ve and mf in 5mans |
| 02:59.00 | TNSe | SW:P is a waste against mobs with low life expectancy |
| 02:59.05 | art3mis | cuz i love doing burst damage from wsd |
| 02:59.09 | art3mis | err swd |
| 02:59.18 | TNSe | basically |
| 02:59.19 | TNSe | in 5 man |
| 02:59.23 | art3mis | and i usually take damage so why not heal up ;P |
| 02:59.24 | TNSe | the group shouldn't rely on you for dps |
| 02:59.30 | TNSe | we're slow at building up dps |
| 02:59.32 | TNSe | very slow |
| 02:59.37 | TNSe | but we have very high single target dps |
| 02:59.43 | RaydenUni | i've been doing VE, VT, SWD, inner focus(MB), MF* |
| 02:59.51 | TNSe | use inner focus on sw:p |
| 02:59.53 | art3mis | vt is a waste on anything that isnt a boss |
| 03:00.04 | RaydenUni | then i don't get the +crit :) |
| 03:00.14 | TNSe | VT is mana efficiency :P |
| 03:00.21 | TNSe | it also provides same amount of mana to party |
| 03:00.26 | TNSe | so I use VT, MB, MF |
| 03:00.27 | art3mis | not when it costs you 600 to cast and you get back 12 ;P |
| 03:00.31 | TNSe | 12? |
| 03:00.33 | TNSe | O_o |
| 03:00.34 | art3mis | before the thing dies |
| 03:00.41 | TNSe | I usually get back 400-500 :P |
| 03:00.43 | RaydenUni | yeah, i'm seeing my role change from dps to dps plus some healing, but mostly providing mana for everything |
| 03:00.54 | art3mis | offa vt? |
| 03:00.57 | TNSe | yes |
| 03:00.58 | art3mis | lies! |
| 03:01.05 | art3mis | link yer char |
| 03:01.06 | TNSe | 2400 damage on VT alone |
| 03:01.13 | TNSe | before misery and Shadow weaving |
| 03:01.17 | TNSe | thats 120 mana |
| 03:01.19 | RaydenUni | VT followed by SWD and MB should get you quite a bit of mana back |
| 03:01.26 | TNSe | mb hits for 1800 |
| 03:01.33 | art3mis | and cost you a fair amount too |
| 03:01.34 | TNSe | thats another 90 mana |
| 03:01.38 | RaydenUni | !c us destromath raydenuni |
| 03:01.42 | ThraeBot | RaydenUni: Raydenuni, Level 70 Troll Priest (13/2/46). 6971 HP; 8265 Mana; 181 mana regen; 27 mp5; 148 spell crit; 29 spell hit; 402 +spell dmg/heal; 50 frost dmg (452); 89 shadow dmg (491); 5.06% dodge; +3 all resists;[[ TBR: 779 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2ye5pn ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2tnsum ]] |
| 03:01.46 | RaydenUni | not if i have inner focus for MB |
| 03:01.47 | art3mis | TNSe: tahts assuming that vt runs its full course |
| 03:01.54 | art3mis | which on trsh if it does you've got a weak aprty |
| 03:01.56 | TNSe | most VT's last 15 sec |
| 03:02.00 | TNSe | er, trash |
| 03:02.13 | TNSe | !c eu trollbane brundtland |
| 03:02.16 | RaydenUni | i feel so useless when we come upon a group of non elites :D |
| 03:02.19 | jme | prince dead third time |
| 03:02.19 | ThraeBot | TNSe: Brundtland, Level 70 Night Elf Priest (14/0/47). 6681 HP; 7620 Mana; 136 mana regen; 29 mp5; 90 spell crit; 66 spell hit; 864 +spell dmg/heal; 233 frost dmg (1097); 359 shadow dmg (1223); 6.18% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 747 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/26k55g ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2o9np3 ]] |
| 03:02.20 | TNSe | yup |
| 03:02.22 | jme | finally |
| 03:02.23 | RaydenUni | time to up my dagger skill! |
| 03:03.21 | art3mis | thats a pretty ncie crit you've got there |
| 03:03.28 | TNSe | I can't do 5 man instances anymore on my priest >_< |
| 03:03.40 | TNSe | stopped being difficult heh |
| 03:04.02 | art3mis | im starting to believe that they made the euro servers weaker than the us ones ;P |
| 03:04.19 | art3mis | to give the frnech a chance ;P |
| 03:04.43 | RaydenUni | my crit? |
| 03:04.47 | art3mis | tns's |
| 03:04.58 | art3mis | 66 |
| 03:05.05 | TNSe | thats hit :P |
| 03:05.18 | art3mis | oh |
| 03:05.19 | RaydenUni | i was going to say, i have 148 spell crit and he has 66 |
| 03:05.20 | art3mis | heh |
| 03:05.32 | TNSe | shadowpriests don't require much crit |
| 03:05.35 | RaydenUni | nope |
| 03:05.41 | art3mis | i saw the 66 and got some reason kept thinking in my head it was % |
| 03:05.42 | TNSe | we get a lot from talents if we wish, otherwise we scale poorly with crit |
| 03:05.46 | RaydenUni | all my trinkets and various stuff gives crit |
| 03:05.53 | RaydenUni | i need new stuff |
| 03:05.56 | TNSe | we scale better with spell damage |
| 03:06.00 | TNSe | scryer trinket is awesome |
| 03:06.04 | art3mis | you need more shadowdamage ray ;P |
| 03:06.06 | TNSe | starkiller's bauble is awesome |
| 03:06.11 | RaydenUni | but how else do you kill yourself with SWD if you don't have crit? |
| 03:06.13 | RaydenUni | art3mis i know |
| 03:06.15 | art3mis | go make the frostweave |
| 03:06.16 | TNSe | terokkar tablet of vim (?) is awesome |
| 03:06.17 | RaydenUni | where do i get some? |
| 03:06.24 | TNSe | they give spell hit |
| 03:06.27 | RaydenUni | all i have now is the shadow shoulders and some gloves |
| 03:06.36 | art3mis | !c us echo isles rozalyn |
| 03:06.40 | ThraeBot | art3mis: Rozalyn, Level 70 Undead Priest (9/0/52). 7861 HP; 8880 Mana; 161 mana regen; 5 mp5; 97 spell crit; 14 spell hit; 601 +spell dmg/heal; 179 frost dmg (780); 241 shadow dmg (842); 5.62% dodge; 10 shadow resist (+10); +33 all resists (+10 shadow);[[ TBR: 745 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/27gvzg ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/39t2on ]] |
| 03:06.43 | art3mis | or mimic my gear |
| 03:06.45 | RaydenUni | working on the other 2 frozen shadow pieces but its going to take a while |
| 03:06.51 | TNSe | heh |
| 03:06.52 | art3mis | thats all 5man non heroic and out of instance stuff |
| 03:06.54 | TNSe | yeah, it did take a while |
| 03:07.01 | TNSe | but its worth it |
| 03:07.10 | TNSe | wont have it replaced until earliest t5 parts |
| 03:07.10 | RaydenUni | you havent' found a better helmet? |
| 03:07.14 | TNSe | and those are barely sidegrades |
| 03:07.21 | TNSe | t6 is where it starts to be slight upgrade |
| 03:07.38 | TNSe | spellstrike head/pants is best you can get (by yourself) |
| 03:07.39 | art3mis | and i love my +62shadow belt |
| 03:07.52 | art3mis | it has no stats but really for +62 who cares |
| 03:08.23 | TNSe | agree. |
| 03:08.26 | RaydenUni | where you get it? |
| 03:08.32 | TNSe | shadowpriests priorities are simple |
| 03:08.35 | TNSe | +spell damage |
| 03:08.35 | RaydenUni | spellstrike? or battlecast? |
| 03:08.37 | TNSe | +spell damage |
| 03:08.42 | TNSe | +spell damage, and uh, +spell damage |
| 03:08.50 | RaydenUni | i've heard spell, hit, crit |
| 03:08.51 | TNSe | spirit, mp5 and stamina is nice side effects of gear |
| 03:09.00 | TNSe | we don't need any hit unless its a raid boss |
| 03:09.07 | TNSe | then we only need 76 spell hit rating as well |
| 03:09.08 | RaydenUni | heh, read an interesting article on spirit today |
| 03:09.20 | art3mis | RaydenUni: thers a raer mob in agn down by the oshgun crystal called Yar the Void Hunter |
| 03:09.31 | RaydenUni | 200 spirit is avg for pre KZ right? |
| 03:09.32 | art3mis | he drops random blue belts |
| 03:09.43 | RaydenUni | 200 spirit regens life at the same rate as lvl 50 food |
| 03:10.01 | art3mis | i miss my 350 spirit at 60 when i was a spirit whore |
| 03:10.07 | RaydenUni | just think if you could double your agility properties for a rogue with lvl 50 food! |
| 03:10.07 | art3mis | that was rpetty awesome |
| 03:10.16 | RaydenUni | yeah i did the whole spirit thing |
| 03:10.18 | RaydenUni | i had a ton |
| 03:10.21 | RaydenUni | for levelling |
| 03:10.24 | RaydenUni | after 60 it was hard though |
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| 03:11.28 | RaydenUni | spellstrike vs battlecast? |
| 03:11.34 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r47038 10FuBar_BagFu/BagFuLocale-zhTW.lua: FuBar_BagFu: updated zhTW localization |
| 03:11.37 | RaydenUni | not that i'll be making either anytime soon |
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| 03:12.11 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r47040 10FuBar_FactionsFu/Locales/FuBar_FactionsFu.zhTW.lua: |
| 03:12.11 | CIA-14 | FuBar_FactionsFu |
| 03:12.11 | CIA-14 | - updated zhTW localization |
| 03:12.14 | RaydenUni | "voidhunter yar" |
| 03:12.22 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r47041 10FuBar_FuXPFu/FuXPLocals.lua: |
| 03:12.22 | CIA-14 | FuBar_FuXPFu: |
| 03:12.22 | CIA-14 | - updated zhTW localization |
| 03:12.41 | RaydenUni | oh, the belt has a random enchant |
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| 03:13.18 | RaydenUni | time to play |
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| 03:16.37 | ckknight | hey all |
| 03:21.12 | RaydenUni | why does prat keep forgetting i do'nt want shadows? |
| 03:21.54 | Diao | lol |
| 03:21.57 | Diao | i asked the same question |
| 03:21.57 | Chaotic_D | Is Brian Kopp's 1-70 Guide anywhere near as good at Joana/Mancow's guide? |
| 03:22.50 | Chaotic_D | I'm just wondering if it's a good Alliance complement. (I wonder if I'll ever play Alliance... Draeni sure are sexy though...) |
| 03:23.30 | RaydenUni | alliance are evil |
| 03:23.38 | RaydenUni | dranei should have been horde |
| 03:23.43 | RaydenUni | 1-70 guide? |
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| 03:24.12 | Chaotic_D | yeah, it's a leveling guide. |
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| 03:24.43 | Chaotic_D | well, the Alliance needs all the help it can get. There's just so few races for them to pick. |
| 03:25.29 | Chaotic_D | I mean people are saying Furbolg are a good next choice. Can you really imagine those giant hampsters in with the other humanoids? |
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| 03:25.53 | ckknight | I recommend Zygor Guides |
| 03:26.08 | jme | i used joana's guide, i liked it |
| 03:26.10 | jme | i still use it |
| 03:26.10 | ckknight | partially because it uses Cartographer to show information |
| 03:26.17 | jme | heh ckk |
| 03:26.17 | Mecdemort | is there a way to give a frame an overlay color? |
| 03:26.18 | ckknight | also, I may get 5% on every sale |
| 03:26.19 | jme | url? |
| 03:26.22 | jme | haha |
| 03:26.27 | ckknight | http://zygorguides.com/ |
| 03:27.38 | Chaotic_D | Nice. That guy has the right idea. In-game implementation of the guide. |
| 03:27.47 | ZealotOnAStick | ckknight: know how I can keep Parrot from defaulting Soul Shard gain notification back on every time I update it? |
| 03:27.47 | ckknight | it's actually really handy |
| 03:27.59 | ckknight | no, ZealotOnAStick, it should just stay off... |
| 03:28.01 | Bruners | why can priest mass dispell paladins bubble >< |
| 03:28.05 | RaydenUni | it plugs into cartographer to give you info? |
| 03:28.08 | jme | t4 helm for meeee |
| 03:28.09 | ckknight | yep |
| 03:28.10 | ZealotOnAStick | well, it doesn't. |
| 03:28.13 | Chaotic_D | That's what I've been wanting to do with Joana/Mancow's guide. Have you seen Joana/Mancow's guide to be able to compare? |
| 03:28.15 | ckknight | I wrote the module |
| 03:28.24 | ckknight | yes, Chaotic_D, I have both |
| 03:28.33 | ckknight | what you can do is /tway Some guy the guide says |
| 03:28.37 | ckknight | and it'll point you right there |
| 03:28.40 | ckknight | so goddamn handy for leveling |
| 03:28.48 | ckknight | or finding quest guys |
| 03:28.53 | RaydenUni | just quest guys? |
| 03:29.00 | RaydenUni | i'm using lightheaded + cartographer and its great |
| 03:29.03 | Chaotic_D | oh, you have to type in the name? I was hoping there was an automatic script. |
| 03:29.09 | RaydenUni | tells me where to go for every quest |
| 03:29.44 | ckknight | Chaotic_D: there's a PDF file that says what you can do, what order, etc |
| 03:29.52 | ckknight | and the points are all on the map |
| 03:29.57 | ckknight | for reference |
| 03:30.11 | ZealotOnAStick | ckknight: it's not staying disabled. What do you need from me to troubleshoot it? |
| 03:30.18 | ckknight | I don't know |
| 03:32.46 | Chaotic_D | so how is Zygor compared to Mancow, for the Horde part. |
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| 03:33.54 | ckknight | I mean, it's all basically the same information, just that Zygor has the Cartographer addition |
| 03:34.35 | Chaotic_D | Mm... I want to do an addon that automatically checks when you complete a step and automatically points you towards the next objective. |
| 03:34.55 | ckknight | doesn't exist |
| 03:35.04 | Chaotic_D | that's why I wanted to make one. :> |
| 03:35.13 | ckknight | and frankly, I think such a system would be too stiff |
| 03:35.26 | Chaotic_D | stiff? you mean borring? |
| 03:36.06 | Chaotic_D | hrm... perhaps a "skip step" option. |
| 03:36.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Chaotic_D: while you're at it, can you make the mod hit the keys for me, and think for me, and make my dinner, and feed me? |
| 03:37.14 | ckknight | oh man, I could go for dinner |
| 03:37.31 | Chaotic_D | speaking of automatic food. |
| 03:38.47 | Chaotic_D | did you get anything out of making the module for Zygor? like a free copy? :> |
| 03:39.20 | Chaotic_D | or did he commission you? |
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| 03:41.50 | Chaotic_D | I gotta say, I'm discouraged, knowing that exists. :S |
| 03:42.05 | Chaotic_D | of course, it doesn't do what I wanted mine to do... |
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| 03:43.12 | jme | so my 41/20 bm spec with the other hunter in the same group with trueshot = win |
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| 03:48.13 | ckknight | Chaotic_D: well, I have a free copy, of course, but I also get 5% commission |
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| 03:49.22 | Chaotic_D | wow. nice. |
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| 03:53.20 | Silowyi | so |
| 03:53.23 | Silowyi | expert opinions |
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| 03:53.42 | Silowyi | if I use an LCD cleaning kit on my monitor, will it cause problems later on down the line? |
| 03:54.23 | NightHawkTheSane | is your monitor an lcd?:P |
| 03:54.58 | Silowyi | yes |
| 03:55.00 | Silowyi | it's just |
| 03:55.17 | Silowyi | ok you know those cassette deck cleaner/head demagnetizers? |
| 03:55.24 | Silowyi | may be dating myself here... but anyway |
| 03:55.36 | Silowyi | I had those ruin a few tape decks on me |
| 03:55.52 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 03:56.27 | Silowyi | so I'm always wary |
| 03:56.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Probably, if it's designed for LCDs, it should be safe. I think one of the bigger things is that LCDs don't really like alcohol |
| 03:57.30 | Silowyi | and this LCD cleaning kit consists of alcohol dipped sterile wipes |
| 03:57.30 | NightHawkTheSane | it's okay if it's I think less than 2:1 water:alcohol, but you don't want a solution stronger than that. |
| 03:58.24 | NightHawkTheSane | from the bit of research i've done, a cotton cloth and a 2:1 water:isopropyl alcohol solution is good enough |
| 03:58.56 | Silowyi | appears to be almost exaclty what this is |
| 03:59.05 | NightHawkTheSane | its what most of them are :P |
| 03:59.10 | Silowyi | it's a free cleaning kit that came with my monitor warranty |
| 03:59.43 | Silowyi | so I have to assume they wouldn't be like "here's your monitor warranty, you'll need it when you use the enclosed wipe" |
| 03:59.59 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* it's good bet it's safe to use |
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| 04:05.52 | Xinhuan | Button:Click() will cause the OnClick handler to execute right? |
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| 04:12.06 | jme | 3 shotted nightbane |
| 04:12.10 | jme | two nubs |
| 04:20.10 | Xinhuan | ckknight: can you add a "target buff loss" and "target debuff loss" for triggers in Parrot? |
| 04:20.43 | Xinhuan | mainly useful for Dispelling enemies, and to show a message when a certain debuff is dispelled/purged |
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| 04:21.31 | Xinhuan | such as Blessing of Freedom, or Blessing of Protection, in arena |
| 04:21.44 | Sole | good afternoon (morning) |
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| 04:22.05 | ckknight | Xinhuan: you add it :-P |
| 04:22.15 | Sole | add what? |
| 04:22.31 | Xinhuan | i don't think i have a svn account yet ;p |
| 04:22.32 | Diao | target buff/debuff changes in parrot |
| 04:23.30 | Xinhuan | sole: to repeat what i asked |
| 04:23.34 | Xinhuan | [8/21 12:19:18] <Xinhuan> ckknight: can you add a "target buff loss" and "target debuff loss" for triggers in Parrot? |
| 04:23.39 | Xinhuan | [8/21 12:19:52] <Xinhuan> mainly useful for Dispelling enemies, and to show a message when a certain debuff is dispelled/purged |
| 04:23.39 | Xinhuan | [8/21 12:20:40] <Xinhuan> such as Blessing of Freedom, or Blessing of Protection, in arena |
| 04:23.43 | Sole | Xinhuan: I saw the last line of what you asked |
| 04:23.46 | Xinhuan | then you joined |
| 04:24.14 | Sole | good suggestion |
| 04:24.17 | Xinhuan | i would use it for spellstealing LOL |
| 04:24.20 | Xinhuan | since i'm a mage |
| 04:24.30 | Xinhuan | steal BoF |
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| 04:27.04 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47043 10Joker/LibJokerTimer-1.0/LibJokerTimer-1.0.lua: LibJokerTimer-1.0 - fix error messages for :AddTimer/:AddRepeatingTimer |
| 04:27.17 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47044 10Joker/LibJokerModuleCore-1.0/LibJokerModuleCore-1.0.lua: LibJokerModuleCore-1.0 - bugfix with :ToggleModuleActive |
| 04:27.57 | Chaotic_D | Kyahx, were you getting my PMs? It says I can't send PMs. |
| 04:28.21 | Kyahx | Nope, your probley not registered with NickServ or something |
| 04:28.49 | Chaotic_D | correct. I got yours fine. |
| 04:29.08 | Chaotic_D | I was just wondering if you were making that addon, and how I could find out when it comes out. |
| 04:29.34 | Chaotic_D | Ok, no problem. :) |
| 04:29.54 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47045 10Joker/LibJokerDB-1.0/LibJokerDB-1.0.lua: LibJokerDB-1.0 - add a check so that if raw is accessed before ADDON_LOADED, silently return nil. |
| 04:31.33 | CIA-14 | 03sayclub * r47046 10BigWigs/SC/Vashj.lua: |
| 04:31.33 | CIA-14 | BigWigs: SC/Vashj: |
| 04:31.33 | CIA-14 | - Updated localization koKR |
| 04:32.07 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47047 10Joker/LibJokerConfig-1.0/LibJokerConfig-1.0.lua: LibJokerConfig-1.0 - add choiceType for the type = 'choice' |
| 04:33.30 | Sole | ckknight: how is JokerConfig coming along? ready for use? |
| 04:33.38 | ckknight | essentially |
| 04:33.48 | Sole | great I'll get on it |
| 04:33.56 | ckknight | I mean, it's in early stages and all, so there will be bugs |
| 04:34.05 | ckknight | I make no reservation about there not being bugs |
| 04:34.20 | ckknight | but really, there won't be too many, and if there are, they'll be fixed |
| 04:34.22 | Sole | where would we be if we didnt have bugs and errors to figure out? |
| 04:34.30 | Sole | >>bored |
| 04:34.38 | RaydenUni | happy |
| 04:34.46 | RaydenUni | developers would be bored |
| 04:34.58 | RaydenUni | and crazy stuff happens when programmers get bored |
| 04:34.58 | ckknight | lol |
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| 04:35.08 | ckknight | like they invent a new addon framework |
| 04:35.27 | Sole | yep |
| 04:35.58 | ckknight | btw, Sole, LibJokerConfig-1.0 only requires LibJoker-1.0, no other libraries, if you want to use it in an existing addon without updating the whole thing to Joker-based libs |
| 04:36.25 | Sole | ckknight: I want to start a new addon using Joker-based stuff |
| 04:36.29 | ckknight | ah, okay |
| 04:36.30 | ckknight | cool |
| 04:36.35 | ckknight | I'm working on converting CowTip right now |
| 04:36.38 | Sole | ckknight: see how big of a difference it makes |
| 04:36.38 | ckknight | it's helped catch bugs |
| 04:37.00 | ckknight | the general issue will be lack of 3rd-party libraries, really |
| 04:37.06 | Sole | are external libs still the way to go or did I miss out on a new discovery? |
| 04:37.14 | Sole | libs will be ported in time |
| 04:37.23 | ckknight | yea, they are, but the lib structure has changed slightly |
| 04:37.50 | ckknight | assuming we end up in trunk, it'll be trunk/LibName-1.0/LibName-1.0.toc |
| 04:38.00 | ckknight | and trunk/LibName-1.0/LibName-1.0.lua |
| 04:38.18 | ckknight | so you actually end up including the whole addon as an external, toc and all |
| 04:38.39 | ckknight | and any readmes, etc. |
| 04:39.26 | Sole | any reason for that? |
| 04:39.41 | Sole | just so its simpler? |
| 04:39.45 | ckknight | ease, mostly. |
| 04:40.04 | ckknight | yea, seeing as one addon = one library (unlike Ace2 where it was ambiguous), it shouldn't be a problem |
| 04:40.22 | Sole | great |
| 04:40.29 | ckknight | it's simpler and the only extra files are going to be the toc (which has useful information such as author contact info, etc.) and any readmes, etc. |
| 04:41.27 | Silowyi | hmm |
| 04:41.36 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 04:43.10 | Silowyi | after 2285 attacks against a lvl 83 boss |
| 04:43.21 | Silowyi | I've missed 5.91% |
| 04:43.30 | ckknight | 83? |
| 04:43.33 | ckknight | not 73? |
| 04:43.34 | Silowyi | that's with .25% hit and 6 feral skill |
| 04:43.34 | Silowyi | 73 |
| 04:43.39 | Silowyi | there are no 83s :P |
| 04:43.57 | ckknight | ...yet |
| 04:44.13 | Silowyi | so... |
| 04:44.15 | ckknight | also, Sole, I plan to make a standard for addon structure, but I haven't decided on it quite yet |
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| 04:44.54 | Silowyi | we have 6 feral skill accounting for whatever difference is between 5.16% and the miss rate against a lvl 83 boss |
| 04:45.49 | ckknight | 73 |
| 04:45.50 | Cyrez | Addon structure? ZOMG, hawt. <3 |
| 04:45.51 | Silowyi | that would account for almost 2.44% hit if the figure is, as everyone seems to think, 8.6% |
| 04:45.54 | Silowyi | yes 73 |
| 04:46.00 | Silowyi | ewrr 7.6% |
| 04:46.02 | Silowyi | WTF |
| 04:46.04 | ckknight | Cyrez: well, directory paths and the like |
| 04:46.07 | Silowyi | someone frickin moved my 7 key |
| 04:46.12 | ckknight | standardize on "libs", "tests", etc. |
| 04:46.18 | Cyrez | Amen to that. |
| 04:46.24 | Silowyi | hmm nvm, I feel at math |
| 04:46.42 | Silowyi | 7.6 - 6.16 - 1.44% |
| 04:46.45 | Silowyi | fail |
| 04:46.46 | Silowyi | ok |
| 04:47.01 | Silowyi | obvously I can't type tonight... this is mildly alarming because I usually have no problems. |
| 04:47.28 | ckknight | I've been hallucinating recently |
| 04:47.37 | ckknight | not big things or anything, just movement out of the corner of my eye |
| 04:47.38 | Silowyi | is it 7.6% or 8.6%? nvm I was right, it's 8.6%... so 6 feral skill = 2.4% ish hit... which jives. |
| 04:47.53 | Sole | ckknight: sounds like youre in the right state of mind then |
| 04:48.03 | ckknight | meh, I'm fine |
| 04:48.16 | ckknight | it's been more interesting than alarming |
| 04:48.20 | Silowyi | since 5 weapon skill is supposed to be worth 2%-ish hit against a lvl 73 |
| 04:48.22 | Sole | haha |
| 04:48.43 | Sole | I get white flashing when Ive been up for a long time or Im really tied |
| 04:48.49 | Sole | s/tied/tired/ |
| 04:50.07 | Silowyi | so this week in Karazhan I tank with my gladiator's maul instead of earthwarden |
| 04:50.25 | Silowyi | and we see how much of a difference the 6 feral skill actually makes |
| 04:52.06 | Sole | ckknight: Addition of table recycling functions to the LibJoker-1.0 core. This 1 feature alone makes it worthwhile to use the new framework |
| 04:52.36 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47048 10Joker/LibJoker-1.0/LibJoker-1.0.lua: LibJoker-1.0 - change the metadata __mode for the objectToMixin table, preventing an issue. |
| 04:52.53 | ckknight | Sole: I added quite a few good ones |
| 04:53.11 | Sole | ckknight: yeah Im reading through the list right now |
| 04:53.12 | ckknight | Sole: they'll come into more use once I get dynamic choice lists in LibJokerConfig-1.0 going |
| 04:53.37 | Sole | ckknight: dynamic choice lists you say? |
| 04:53.50 | ckknight | well, they're the validate lists in Ace2 |
| 04:54.00 | Sole | meaning changing a dropdown boxes elements on the fly |
| 04:54.07 | ckknight | I actually separate the text parts into string and choice and multichoice |
| 04:54.09 | ckknight | yes, Sole |
| 04:54.12 | Silowyi | ckknight mind helping me figure out why I can't commit all of a sudden? |
| 04:54.21 | ckknight | Silowyi: what's it say? |
| 04:54.23 | Sole | Silowyi: blame canada |
| 04:54.59 | Silowyi | Your file or directory '.' is probably out-of-date... then a long error message about resource versions. |
| 04:55.07 | ckknight | svn up |
| 04:55.10 | Silowyi | oh, I'm trying to drop an external |
| 04:55.19 | Silowyi | bleh... won't that erase my changes? |
| 04:55.35 | ckknight | no |
| 04:56.13 | NightHawkTheSane | the entire point of subversion is concurrent writing to the same file without conflict |
| 04:56.17 | Silowyi | yay its downloading all my externals -_- |
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| 04:58.47 | CIA-14 | 03Silowyi * r47049 10MissRate/ (. MissRate.lua MissRate.toc): |
| 04:58.47 | CIA-14 | MissRate: 1.07 |
| 04:58.47 | CIA-14 | - Dropped Metrognome dependency and updated externals. |
| 04:59.03 | Sole | ckknight: what exactly are unit tests? the wiki is lacking in an explanation. Are they checks of valid unit ids? 'player' 'target' 'pettarget' etc? |
| 04:59.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Sole: l2wikipedia |
| 04:59.34 | NightHawkTheSane | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_test |
| 04:59.51 | sylvanaar | unit tests are things that should happen but usually dont |
| 05:00.24 | Sole | NightHawkTheSane: you degrade me so |
| 05:00.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Sole: just remember, it's totally personal :D |
| 05:00.37 | Sole | NightHawkTheSane: but thank you nonetheless |
| 05:00.51 | sylvanaar | in contrast to system tests |
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| 05:02.49 | sylvanaar | ckknight there is a thread on addon structure on the forums http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8034.0 |
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| 05:05.51 | sylvanaar | ckknight and i made this one a while ago which might mesh well with the stuff you are doing for joker http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=6054.0 |
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| 05:11.30 | Chaotic_D | god damnit. stupid modern PCs with the PC speakers built into the motherboards so you can't unplug them, and you can't god damned turn them off. and for some reason WinXP beeps when I hit the cursor keys in a certain order/speed, so late at night while my roommate is sleeping lightly, it beeps. |
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| 05:12.02 | Chaotic_D | there's no BIOS setting. and all the WinXP Accessibility features are turned off. and yet it still beeps. |
| 05:12.26 | Chaotic_D | maybe it's not an accessibility feature. |
| 05:14.53 | Silowyi | wtb IsSpellDamageClassPhysical(spell_name); |
| 05:18.26 | CIA-14 | 03nemes * r47050 10NDragIt/NDragIt.lua: NDragIt: ensure that when a hooked click is executed, the original click method is called at the end |
| 05:18.56 | NightHawkTheSane | !c us Laughing Skull Treekin |
| 05:19.02 | ThraeBot | NightHawkTheSane: Treekin, Level 70 Tauren Druid (0/46/15). 6693 HP; 9035 Mana; 236 mana regen; 80 mp5; 88.3 Melee DPS; 3.12% melee crit; 857 +heal; 4.34% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10); +25 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 156 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yulzc4 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3xxmzb ]] |
| 05:19.19 | Bruners | is there any reason why paladins have so small buffs? |
| 05:19.33 | omega | to annoy everyone |
| 05:19.50 | NightHawkTheSane | as some kind of balance for being easymode. :P |
| 05:19.51 | Bruners | got to be a better reason than that |
| 05:19.52 | omega | same as "is there a reason Arcane Brilliance costs so much mana?" and "Why does inner fire only have 20 chares" |
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| 05:20.52 | NightHawkTheSane | what I want to know is why paladins get auras and buffs that last longer than 2 minutes, while shaman are stuck shitting out several hundred mana every 2 minutes. |
| 05:20.57 | Bruners | mana cost and length of buffs is the same thing |
| 05:21.03 | NightHawkTheSane | for buffs that only affect your party, and don't move. |
| 05:24.01 | Xinhuan | because blizzard is biased, and is doubling pally buffs length next patch |
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| 05:26.34 | Chaotic_D | totems last more than 2 minutes. :S |
| 05:27.14 | Bruners | dont think i would like totems that lasted more than 2minutes |
| 05:27.39 | Bruners | maby there could have been an option to set a permanent totem for ie boss fights |
| 05:27.48 | CIA-14 | 03eraslin * r47051 10DKPmon_PercentDKP/example.lua: DKPmon_PercentDKP: Add all SSC & TK items to the list. |
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| 05:40.38 | ckknight | sylvanaar: I'll take a look |
| 05:42.47 | ckknight | sylvanaar: general issue with your scheme is that files can be loaded more than once, which can cause slowdown |
| 05:43.25 | omega | When I use FuBar_PerformanceFu, it lists a few addons that use the most memory |
| 05:43.43 | omega | should I be concerned when SharedMediaLib is at top, and grows about 5mb during a 1h30m session? |
| 05:43.55 | sylvanaar | ckknight yeah, it has flaws for sure, it was a discussion point mostly to get people thinking |
| 05:43.55 | omega | or can that be attributed to it beeing the library loading addon? |
| 05:51.15 | sylvanaar | ckknight i think the loading costs are pretty small, its the upgrade costs that (i surmise) are high. If you load the most recent copy of a lib first, i suspect the overall slowdown of multiple copies is small |
| 05:51.43 | ckknight | small, but noticeable, especially if there are lots of strings involved |
| 05:51.54 | ckknight | i.e. loading Babble multiple times is a killer |
| 05:51.58 | ckknight | e.g.* |
| 05:52.17 | ckknight | sylvanaar: though you are right, the upgrade costs of AceLibrary are horrid |
| 05:52.41 | sylvanaar | ckknight certainly, one thing that i was proposing was that as part of the install the libraries get unpacked just like modules |
| 05:52.58 | ckknight | for AceLibrary, it's O(n lg n) where n is the members of the library as well as all their children tables and their children tables, ad nauseum. For LibJoker-1.0, it's O(n) without recursion |
| 05:53.20 | sylvanaar | which is why i was saying it sorta meshed with what you were doing as you were proposing including the entire library |
| 05:53.53 | ckknight | sylvanaar: well, one issue I see with WAU is that it would be replacing libraries with other libraries, yes they may be the same version, but the replacement itself is funky |
| 05:55.29 | sylvanaar | yeah that part was not fully fleshed out |
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| 05:57.34 | omega | what you need is installers/clients with propper dependency handling |
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| 05:57.56 | sylvanaar | they exist already |
| 05:58.39 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07Joker * r47052 10CowTip/CowTip/ (9 files in 8 dirs): |
| 05:58.39 | CIA-14 | CowTip - convert from Ace2-style to Joker-style |
| 05:58.39 | CIA-14 | - there may be some kinks. |
| 05:58.39 | CIA-14 | - I didn't update the externals yet. |
| 05:58.39 | CIA-14 | - The menu can be accessed through /cowtip |
| 05:58.42 | omega | but if you start using that exclusivly, you loose the ability to distribute to sites like wowinterface etc |
| 05:59.01 | omega | at least as easily sitribute |
| 05:59.06 | omega | distribute |
| 06:00.04 | sylvanaar | huh |
| 06:00.28 | omega | well, if you start working without included libraries, depending on the installer/package manager to deal with it |
| 06:00.42 | omega | and then upload the zip-file to wowinterface, the user would have to track down the deps himself, no? |
| 06:00.42 | sylvanaar | i dont think anyone was suggesting that |
| 06:00.51 | omega | no, I was suggesting that :) |
| 06:01.33 | sylvanaar | i liked ckknight's idea of including the full lib, because the end user could pull it out just like they do modules |
| 06:01.42 | Laric | is there gonna be 2.2 this week? |
| 06:02.02 | ckknight | sylvanaar: I did it mostly for general ease of use |
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| 06:08.18 | ckknight | also the general pointlessness of the common Ace2 structure being either NameLib/Name-1.0/Name-1.0.lua or Name-1.0/Name-1.0/Name-1.0.lua |
| 06:09.10 | ckknight | seeing as Joker imposes the whole one library one addon thing (unlike Ace2, where it was ambiguous), the multiple library addon system does away, and there's really no hard in having the toc file inside an external |
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| 06:11.56 | sylvanaar | Yeah perhaps consider the includes.xml concept to eliminate redundancy and provide indirection |
| 06:12.04 | Xinhuan | so AddOns using Joker will list their library dependencies directly as their addon dependencies? |
| 06:12.26 | ckknight | sylvanaar: except that includes.xml causes libraries to load twice, which should not happen |
| 06:12.49 | ckknight | Xinhuan: no, libraries will, addons will only list LibJoker-1.0 as an OptionalDep |
| 06:13.13 | Xinhuan | i'm a bit lost here |
| 06:13.25 | sylvanaar | ckknight i mean define the library lua files in includes.xml, and reference includes.xml from the library toc |
| 06:13.55 | ckknight | but your includes.xml loads files from other libraries |
| 06:15.12 | Xinhuan | you're saying libraries will list other libraries as addon dependancies directly, but Joker addons only need to specify Joker-1.0 because joker will throw that addon an error if a library doesn't exist? |
| 06:15.15 | Xinhuan | is that what you're saying? |
| 06:15.41 | ckknight | yes, it will also load libraries automatically |
| 06:16.20 | Xinhuan | hmm that simplifies things slightly |
| 06:16.54 | ckknight | yes, it does |
| 06:17.30 | sylvanaar | Why do they need to have the dependancy? |
| 06:17.49 | CIA-14 | 03adirelle * r47053 10CastYeller/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 06:17.49 | CIA-14 | CastYeller: |
| 06:17.49 | CIA-14 | - changed "funny announces" option description when there is no such announce, |
| 06:17.49 | CIA-14 | - attempt to fix Soulstone use announce, |
| 06:17.49 | CIA-14 | - added Deformat to externals (SpellEventLib dep). |
| 06:17.54 | ckknight | libraries or addons? |
| 06:17.58 | sylvanaar | libraries |
| 06:18.13 | CIA-14 | 03nemes * r47054 10FuBar_GarbageFu/ (6 files): FuBar_GarbageFu: add option to automatically sell all when opening merchant window, default off |
| 06:18.15 | ckknight | libraries do it because if one library is standalone, it's likely that all its dependencies are standalone as well |
| 06:18.41 | ckknight | so why not abuse Blizzard's system to make things easier? |
| 06:19.05 | sylvanaar | I like the "load at point of first use" idiom |
| 06:19.26 | Diao | so updating cowtip will cause errors if i don't manually download joker? |
| 06:19.31 | ckknight | well, yes, it would |
| 06:19.44 | ckknight | Diao: only if you use the Joker branch. the trunk uses Ace2 |
| 06:19.58 | Diao | oh |
| 06:20.08 | Diao | so CIA is reporting branch updates too? |
| 06:20.25 | Xinhuan | it reports all commits as far as i can tell |
| 06:20.32 | Xinhuan | branch or trunk or whatever |
| 06:20.55 | Diao | ah ok |
| 06:21.04 | Diao | i'll wait until it goes to trunk then |
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| 06:21.26 | omega | Xinhuan: branches have the branchname in yellow in the message, before the revision |
| 06:21.36 | sylvanaar | like eg. RollCall only uses babble-class in some calls, and babble-zone in some, if it puts dependancies those always get loaded. if it uses acelibrary, then they are loaded only if those apis are used |
| 06:21.53 | Xinhuan | yes but its still reported - which is what i'm saying |
| 06:22.52 | ckknight | it wouldn't put those as dependencies |
| 06:22.59 | sylvanaar | oh |
| 06:23.05 | ckknight | cause it doesn't explicitly depend on them for creation |
| 06:23.13 | ckknight | or general use |
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| 06:25.45 | sylvanaar | cool - i think thats one of the best parts of acelibrary - load at first use - i think more people should know about it |
| 06:26.22 | ckknight | Joker adds somemore nice stuff wrt to that |
| 06:26.28 | sylvanaar | cool |
| 06:26.40 | ckknight | e.g. local LibDogTag = Joker("LibDogTag-1.0", true, true) |
| 06:27.10 | ckknight | makes it return the local if it's loaded, if it's not loaded, just return silently and don't try to load |
| 06:27.15 | ckknight | local LibDogTag = Joker("LibDogTag-1.0", false, true) |
| 06:27.31 | ckknight | makes it return the local if it's loaded, try to load otherwise, in any event, return silently if it can't be loaded |
| 06:27.48 | ckknight | nicer than AceLibrary:HasInstance("DogTag-1.0") and AceLibrary("DogTag-1.0") |
| 06:28.05 | Xinhuan | is there a possible option to force everything to load at the start, instead of at first use? |
| 06:28.19 | ckknight | no, not really |
| 06:28.25 | ckknight | granted, there's no reason to |
| 06:29.07 | sylvanaar | youjust optdep everything |
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| 06:30.22 | Xinhuan | i don't know, some people find it annoying when an addon decides to load another addon halfway while doing something and that causes a momentary freeze, and prefer everything to just be loaded at the start |
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| 06:33.03 | sylvanaar | just make an addon which optdeps everything and load it then |
| 06:33.27 | Xinhuan | is there server maintenance tonight? |
| 06:34.40 | sylvanaar | there are also loadmangers Xinhuan, perhaps you should run one |
| 06:35.01 | Xinhuan | i do use one |
| 06:35.26 | Bruners | Is kcitems better than auctioneer ? |
| 06:35.49 | Diao | different functions |
| 06:35.50 | Diao | afaik |
| 06:35.52 | Bruners | memory usage etc |
| 06:36.11 | Xinhuan | i just find it slightly annoying when Postal decides to load on first mailbox access and the game freezes for 0.2sec, and another 0.2s on first casting (quartz) |
| 06:36.33 | Diao | remove the loadmanager for them in the toc? |
| 06:36.35 | sylvanaar | the test server is still up, so prolly no 2.2 |
| 06:37.06 | Xinhuan | i probably wouldn't bother removing - would have to edit every update i download heh |
| 06:37.10 | sylvanaar | those are configurable with thier loadmanager |
| 06:37.13 | Diao | lol |
| 06:37.19 | sylvanaar | as to when they get loaded |
| 06:37.35 | Xinhuan | i'll look around, but otherwise, its just a minor annoyance |
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| 06:38.29 | sylvanaar | SupplyAndDemand, AddonLoader, ForkliftGnome |
| 06:38.36 | sylvanaar | which do you run |
| 06:38.42 | Xinhuan | addonloader |
| 06:38.51 | Xinhuan | probably there's an option to override |
| 06:38.56 | sylvanaar | there is |
| 06:38.56 | Xinhuan | which i didn't see |
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| 06:43.49 | sylvanaar | the nvidia 8800 drivers clearly have a bug |
| 06:50.30 | ckknight | your mom clearly has a bug |
| 06:50.45 | ckknight | :-P |
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| 06:53.16 | ckknight | jk |
| 06:53.28 | ckknight | they're extra features |
| 06:53.55 | abug | the cost is passed on to the consumer |
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| 06:56.45 | ckknight | lol |
| 07:01.18 | Mihara | my ui |
| 07:01.23 | Mihara | makes babies cry' |
| 07:01.29 | Mihara | its so good |
| 07:01.57 | Bruners | screenshot |
| 07:02.05 | Mihara | ckknight, what is the dogtag snippet for zone? |
| 07:02.17 | ckknight | [Zone] |
| 07:02.18 | Silviu- | [Zone] |
| 07:02.26 | Mihara | really... |
| 07:02.27 | ckknight | unintuitive, I know |
| 07:02.27 | Mihara | wow |
| 07:02.30 | Mihara | I feel |
| 07:02.32 | Mihara | yeah lol |
| 07:02.53 | ckknight | btw, ss or it didn't happen |
| 07:03.01 | Mihara | k one sec |
| 07:03.10 | Mihara | I gotta upload one on my pc |
| 07:03.18 | Mihara | then type the url to the mac :\ |
| 07:03.42 | Silviu- | ckknight http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot082007234519tt5.jpg when ppl get moved in a grp for example first are 4 then 3 i get this error ;) |
| 07:04.48 | Bruners | i like my ui :) http://ui.ipwn.se/i/72.jpg |
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| 07:13.52 | CIA-14 | 03phanx * r47055 10OnScreenHealth/ (. OnScreenHealth.lua): (log message trimmed) |
| 07:13.52 | CIA-14 | OnScreenHealth: |
| 07:13.52 | CIA-14 | - fixed ToT showing wrongly for OOC targets |
| 07:13.52 | CIA-14 | - added combat alpha changes |
| 07:13.52 | CIA-14 | - added text alignment option |
| 07:13.53 | CIA-14 | - added health text format options |
| 07:13.55 | CIA-14 | - restructured alpha options |
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| 07:18.12 | Mihara | almost done :P |
| 07:19.46 | Mihara | ok |
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| 07:20.55 | Mihara | http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/653/WoWScrnShot_082107_030947.jpg |
| 07:20.55 | Diao | let me guess Silviu- |
| 07:21.02 | Diao | you get that error when people join/leave party? |
| 07:21.08 | Silviu- | Diao yep |
| 07:21.11 | Diao | yea |
| 07:21.12 | Diao | i get it too |
| 07:21.15 | Silviu- | ;) |
| 07:21.16 | Diao | and bugsack goes insane |
| 07:21.16 | Mihara | http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/8191/WoWScrnShot_081907_052212.jpg |
| 07:21.18 | Diao | like |
| 07:21.20 | Silviu- | Yes |
| 07:21.22 | Diao | 1000 errors per sec |
| 07:21.25 | Diao | and i have to /rl |
| 07:21.30 | Mihara | http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/5034/WoWScrnShot_081807_134554.jpg |
| 07:21.33 | Silviu- | I disable my combatfader until we are 5 in a grp |
| 07:21.39 | Silviu- | then reenable ;) |
| 07:21.47 | Diao | lol |
| 07:22.41 | Silviu- | Bah hope today my new comp will arrive :D |
| 07:22.43 | Diao | hmm |
| 07:22.48 | Diao | Mihara i see you use buffalo2 |
| 07:22.55 | Diao | do you get the weird error with icons switching around |
| 07:22.56 | Mihara | yeah |
| 07:22.59 | Diao | and sometimes timers all mixed up |
| 07:23.05 | Mihara | yeah |
| 07:23.21 | Diao | hope it gets fixed soon |
| 07:23.26 | Diao | it sucks on debuff stack fights |
| 07:23.27 | Mihara | so ckknight |
| 07:23.29 | Diao | :( |
| 07:23.31 | Mihara | what do you think? |
| 07:23.40 | ckknight | looks alright |
| 07:23.55 | Mihara | http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/6628/WoWScrnShot_082007_021134.jpg |
| 07:24.06 | Mihara | the [Zone] didnt work |
| 07:24.11 | Mihara | nothing showed up |
| 07:24.18 | Mihara | when I put it in |
| 07:24.57 | Mihara | and you see in that last ss |
| 07:25.01 | Mihara | how detect magic |
| 07:25.03 | Silviu- | Mihara it shows only when the person u are grp`ed with is in another zone then u |
| 07:25.15 | Mihara | ok |
| 07:25.36 | Mihara | you see in that last ss how the detect magic debuff doesnt have a border >< |
| 07:25.47 | Mihara | Ive been trying to add one |
| 07:25.51 | Mihara | I cant |
| 07:26.03 | Diao | there is a border o_O |
| 07:26.05 | Diao | it's black though |
| 07:26.09 | Diao | or very dark grey |
| 07:26.18 | Mihara | no theres no border on it |
| 07:26.43 | Diao | i dunno |
| 07:26.46 | Diao | i see a darker edge |
| 07:26.48 | Diao | than the mountain itself |
| 07:27.21 | ckknight | [Zone] only works if the unit is out of sight |
| 07:27.23 | Mihara | its the texture |
| 07:27.31 | Mihara | ok |
| 07:27.57 | Mihara | so yeah, I would love you forever if you told me how to put a border on that |
| 07:28.06 | Mihara | when it doesnt have a frame |
| 07:28.17 | Mihara | when I try to find out the frame name I get nil |
| 07:28.22 | Mihara | err nul |
| 07:29.13 | Mihara | like nymbia make the buff bars code completely different from the player bar |
| 07:29.20 | Mihara | which has a parent frame name |
| 07:33.11 | CIA-14 | 03killermiles * r47056 10TweakHub_Merchant/TweakHub_Merchant.lua: |
| 07:33.11 | CIA-14 | TweakHub_Merchant |
| 07:33.11 | CIA-14 | - Removed unnecissary frame generation code from TweakHub_Merchant.lua. |
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| 07:37.57 | Mihara | :'( |
| 07:37.59 | Mihara | hello? |
| 07:38.18 | Diao | lol |
| 07:38.29 | Mihara | this place got dead fast |
| 07:38.30 | Diao | probably have to ask the person who made it |
| 07:38.54 | Mihara | I did ask nymbia |
| 07:39.02 | Mihara | he doesnt respond to anything lol |
| 07:39.15 | Mihara | nymbia used to play on my server too :\ |
| 07:39.35 | Mikk | problem with "this place" right now is that the americans have gone to bed, and the europeans are only now waking up |
| 07:39.57 | Diao | er |
| 07:39.57 | Mikk | and there's not enough asians & australians :O |
| 07:40.32 | Diao | nymbia didn't write it though o_O |
| 07:41.44 | CIA-14 | 03hamunaptra * r47057 10fmBuffCheck/fmBuffCheck.lua: |
| 07:41.44 | CIA-14 | fmBuffCheck: |
| 07:41.44 | CIA-14 | - fixed frame show/hide logic |
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| 07:47.20 | Mihara | why does it say nymbia did write it? |
| 07:47.59 | Mihara | Quartz |
| 07:47.59 | Mihara | Modular casting bar. |
| 07:47.59 | Mihara | TOC 2.1 (20100) |
| 07:47.59 | Mihara | Category Combat Addons |
| 07:47.59 | Mihara | Author Nymbia |
| 07:48.13 | Mihara | i didnt mean to make it multilined :| |
| 07:48.24 | abug | *shun* |
| 07:48.31 | Mihara | sowwy |
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| 07:53.44 | Cyrez | NoNameScript 4.1 was released for mIRC 6.21 for those that are interested. Unfortunately, mIRC 6.3 was released immediately after that, lol. |
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| 07:55.19 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47058 10FuBar_ButtonSmashFu/FuBar_ButtonSmashFu.lua: |
| 07:55.19 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 07:55.19 | CIA-14 | - fixing an error happening when using items in actionbars |
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| 08:05.22 | Grum | Mikk: europeans should be up |
| 08:05.29 | Grum | well at least CET-ones :D |
| 08:07.25 | Athou | is a,b=b,a possible in lua ? |
| 08:07.27 | Sole | Diao: nymbia did write Quartz, what are you talking about? |
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| 08:07.42 | Sole | Athou: I think so |
| 08:07.43 | Grum | Athou: yes i think so |
| 08:07.45 | Grum | let me check |
| 08:08.10 | ckknight | it is |
| 08:08.12 | Diao | oh |
| 08:08.20 | Athou | ok thanks :) |
| 08:08.23 | Diao | nm i was confused |
| 08:08.28 | Diao | thoguht you were talking about buffalo |
| 08:08.28 | Diao | lol |
| 08:08.47 | ckknight | local a,b = 0,1; for i = 1, 1000 do a,b=b,a+b; print(a) end |
| 08:08.52 | ckknight | fibonacci sequence ;-) |
| 08:08.58 | Mihara | I really want to add a border to that |
| 08:09.07 | Mihara | so frustrating :\ |
| 08:09.46 | ckknight | do we have a luabot in this room? |
| 08:09.50 | ckknight | lua> print("test") |
| 08:10.08 | ckknight | guess not |
| 08:12.16 | Mihara | cmon ckk :D |
| 08:12.22 | ckknight | what? |
| 08:12.34 | Mihara | how would I put a border on that? |
| 08:12.45 | Mihara | via lua :D |
| 08:12.51 | ckknight | border on what? |
| 08:13.00 | ckknight | look into :SetBackdrop |
| 08:13.10 | Mihara | I tried that |
| 08:13.14 | Mihara | the thing is |
| 08:13.16 | Mihara | When did that |
| 08:13.25 | Mihara | when the buff was ticking down |
| 08:13.34 | Mihara | the border was disappearing with it |
| 08:13.39 | Mihara | it was weird |
| 08:14.15 | Mihara | like instead of createFrame('frame', blahlbbal |
| 08:14.34 | CIA-14 | 03mikk * r47059 10ChatThrottleLib/ChatThrottleLib.lua: |
| 08:14.34 | CIA-14 | ChatThrottleLib: |
| 08:14.34 | CIA-14 | getfenv().ChatThrottleLib = ChatThrottleLib -- lets it work embedded inside other files where "ChatThrottleLib" is a local (e.g. AceComm-2.0.lua) |
| 08:14.35 | Mihara | its createFrame('Status', nul, blahhaa |
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| 08:14.50 | Mihara | which makes it difficult to use eepanel and add a bg to it :\ |
| 08:14.59 | Mihara | do you see what im saying? |
| 08:15.26 | RaydenUni | that group sucked |
| 08:15.43 | RaydenUni | when's the last time any of you wiped 12 times before the 3rd boss of SL? |
| 08:15.56 | RaydenUni | twice in a row on 4 man mobs |
| 08:16.02 | CIA-14 | 03mikk * r47060 10Ace2/AceComm-2.0/AceComm-2.0.lua: |
| 08:16.02 | CIA-14 | Ace2 - AceComm-2.0.lua: |
| 08:16.02 | CIA-14 | - Embed ChatThrottleLib v18 |
| 08:16.02 | CIA-14 | - Fix the embedding mechanism so it actually does the right thing inside |
| 08:16.02 | CIA-14 | AceComm. Up to now, AceComm has been using its OWN local copy of CTL in the |
| 08:16.03 | CIA-14 | majority of cases, meaning that the actual speed limit enforced has been MAX_CPS |
| 08:16.04 | Mihara | never :\ |
| 08:16.05 | CIA-14 | * 2 if AceComm apps + other apps have been talking at the same time. EEK! |
| 08:16.06 | Diao | when i first hit 70 |
| 08:16.09 | Diao | with a group of fresh 70s |
| 08:16.11 | Diao | and a 68 |
| 08:16.12 | Diao | lol |
| 08:17.03 | Mikk | Grum: well blah i only just woke up :P |
| 08:18.04 | Mikk | Omg, i should look at guild charters i sign with my devel toon |
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| 08:18.12 | Mikk | I'm apparently a "death member" of "Death stikers" (sic) now |
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| 08:21.02 | Diao | lol |
| 08:24.36 | cryogen | lol |
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| 08:29.44 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47061 10FuBar_ButtonSmashFu/FuBar_ButtonSmashFu.lua: |
| 08:29.44 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 08:29.44 | CIA-14 | - tooltip and reports are now sorted by button usage |
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| 08:33.21 | pb_ee1 | Morning |
| 08:34.53 | Diao | mornin |
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| 08:41.56 | CIA-14 | 03Tristan * r47062 10Enhancer/ (Console.lua Functions.lua bonus/EP.lua): |
| 08:41.56 | CIA-14 | Enhancer: |
| 08:41.56 | CIA-14 | - Now properly resets the gemcachce when changing AEP/HEP/DEP values |
| 08:42.28 | Neebler | hmm when do arena points update? a little before or after the server reboot/shutdown? |
| 08:43.27 | Diao | after |
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| 08:47.15 | RaydenUni | why does shadowcloth and primal mooncloth go for 50g while spellcloth goes for 59g? |
| 08:48.00 | mort|work | because you need way more spellcloth than moon/shadowcloth and the mats are more expensive |
| 08:48.29 | odt | in addition spellcloth is also used in 4 more recipes |
| 08:48.39 | RaydenUni | hmm |
| 08:49.03 | RaydenUni | some guy wanted to trade spellcloth for shadowcloth 1-1 and then got upset when i found out spellcloth is worth more and declined |
| 08:49.42 | abbat_w | Diao, you sure? |
| 08:49.59 | Diao | well |
| 08:50.05 | Diao | i've stayed online until the server shut down |
| 08:50.10 | Diao | and tried zoning in/out of instances |
| 08:50.13 | abbat_w | In old honor sistem, honor points update just before server shutdown. About 20-30 min |
| 08:50.15 | Diao | and i never get my arena points |
| 08:50.18 | Diao | until the shut down |
| 08:50.23 | Diao | but i could be wrong |
| 08:51.02 | CIA-14 | 03nemes * r47063 10FuBar_BattlegroundFu/BattlegroundFu.lua: FuBar_BattlegroundFu: Add click on POI timers to announce in BG chat |
| 08:51.04 | mort|work | you could trade trade 1 spellcloth for 2 other for some time on my server |
| 08:51.27 | RaydenUni | i just need way more cloth in general |
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| 08:53.30 | evl | Anyone done Solarian a million times here? |
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| 09:05.26 | odt | nice addition o battlegroundfu there |
| 09:05.43 | abbat_w | =) |
| 09:06.00 | abbat_w | but where is color coding of bg score table? |
| 09:06.27 | abbat_w | some times ago fubar_honorfu do this but now i see only default score table w/o coloring by class |
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| 09:14.00 | FRUCHT | hi |
| 09:14.44 | Diao | hm |
| 09:14.48 | Diao | i guess i was wrong |
| 09:14.50 | FRUCHT | I've started using cowtip and i was just wondering if it is intended that the blizzard health bar is always shown below the tooltip |
| 09:14.50 | Diao | arena points updated already |
| 09:14.52 | Diao | for US servers |
| 09:15.00 | Diao | you can put it wherever you want |
| 09:15.11 | FRUCHT | i can put a second health bar everywhere i want |
| 09:15.14 | Jaxon | Arena points always update around 3ish |
| 09:15.16 | FRUCHT | but the blizzard bar is alwys there |
| 09:15.19 | Diao | er |
| 09:15.21 | Diao | what |
| 09:15.25 | Diao | o_O |
| 09:15.46 | Diao | !c us blackrock diaox |
| 09:15.50 | Diao | which arena piece to get first :( |
| 09:15.51 | ThraeBot | Diao: Diaox, Level 70 Orc Warrior (33/25/3). 11824 HP; 7967 Armour; 1370 AP; 217.8 Melee DPS; 23.27% melee crit; 73 melee hit; 6.92% dodge; 5% block; 169 resilience; +26 all resists;[[ TBR: 971 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yu73l8 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pgqq7 ]] |
| 09:16.03 | Jaxon | Diao: the piece that is the biggest upgrade. |
| 09:16.06 | Diao | problem is |
| 09:16.09 | nevcairiel | !help |
| 09:16.09 | zenBot | Usage: <command> |
| 09:16.12 | Diao | they're all big upgrades :( |
| 09:16.29 | Diao | helm is 120 hp, 14 ap, .18% crit, .89% hit without gems |
| 09:16.36 | nevcairiel | !ap 2160 |
| 09:16.36 | ThraeBot | nevcairiel: Arena points from a rating of 2160 is, 2v2: 819, 3v3: 937, 5v5: 1171 |
| 09:17.03 | FRUCHT | !c eu anub'arak trishnakovic |
| 09:17.06 | FRUCHT | lovely bot :) |
| 09:17.07 | ThraeBot | FRUCHT: Trishnakovic, Level 70 Undead Rogue (19/42/0). 9984 HP; 1827 AP; 447.1 Melee DPS; 24.77% melee crit; 247 melee hit; 21.26% dodge; 24 resilience; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1100 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/26pr9h ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/394vfo ]] |
| 09:17.10 | Neebler | !ap 1970 |
| 09:17.10 | ThraeBot | Neebler: Arena points from a rating of 1970 is, 2v2: 686, 3v3: 784, 5v5: 981 |
| 09:17.22 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel 072.2 * r47064 10Bartender3/Bartender3/Core.lua: Bartender3: re-use the prototype metatable ( yay saved memory of one more table :D ) |
| 09:18.07 | Diao | shoulders 150 hp, 30 ap, .45% crit; chest 220 hp, -10 ap, .72% crit, .89% hit without gems; gloves 160 hp, 18 ap, .62 crit, -.89 hit; pants 300 hp, 30 ap, 1.95% crit, .44 hit |
| 09:18.11 | Diao | :\ |
| 09:19.08 | FRUCHT | what's TBR? |
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| 09:19.16 | Diao | thraebot rating |
| 09:25.18 | CIA-14 | 03sylvanaar * r47065 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/Font.lua: Prat: Reverse application of "OUTLINE" to the chat font, since the menu text was changed, and didn't make sense to anyone |
| 09:29.41 | ramoz | !c eu vek'nilash doompony |
| 09:29.44 | ThraeBot | ramoz: Doompony, Level 70 Undead Warlock (0/21/40). 9661 HP; 9129 Mana; 106 mana regen; 298 spell crit; 134 spell hit; 903 +spell dmg/heal; 4.28% dodge; 13 resilience; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 757 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2akzqa ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2vrruy ]] |
| 09:31.58 | Metago | !c eu dalaran darkfufu |
| 09:32.02 | ThraeBot | Metago: Darkfufu, Level 69 Undead Rogue (43/0/17). 7450 HP; +10 Energy; 1077 AP; 201.1 Melee DPS; 16.59% melee crit; 56 melee hit; 20.39% dodge; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 927 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ytdtht ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/35sepb ]] |
| 09:33.20 | evl | !c eu kazzak Surly |
| 09:33.25 | ThraeBot | evl: Surly, Level 70 Gnome Rogue (15/41/5). 9014 HP; 1809 AP; 445.9 Melee DPS; 31.52% melee crit; 206 melee hit; 28.46% dodge; 48 resilience; 10 arcane resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1107 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2ydxoe ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3ywq5j ]] |
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| 09:34.12 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r47066 10CastYeller/Locale-zhTW.lua: CastYeller: updated zhTW localization |
| 09:34.24 | Pkekyo | g'mornin all |
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| 09:37.42 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r47067 10FuBar_SkillsPlusFu/ (3 files): |
| 09:37.42 | CIA-14 | FuBar_SkillsPlusFu: |
| 09:37.42 | CIA-14 | - updated zhTW localization |
| 09:37.42 | CIA-14 | - use embeds.xml |
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| 09:41.59 | Pkekyo | ~FuBar_SkillsPlusFu |
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| 09:43.00 | CIA-14 | 03sylvanaar * r47068 10Prat/Prat_AutoLoD/autolod.lua: Prat: Should fix (WoW is crashing so i cant test) the issue where modules dont show up after you uncheck the AutoLoD option which is currently hiding them. |
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| 09:47.54 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel 072.2 * r47069 10Bartender3/Bartender3/ (Core.lua Defaults.lua): Bartender3: simplify db defaults, move some code around |
| 09:47.55 | abbat_w | ergh... |
| 09:48.02 | abbat_w | only pve players here? :) |
| 09:48.19 | [Ammo] | that's because WoW PvP is no real PvP |
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| 09:48.40 | abbat_w | I like pvp |
| 09:48.41 | nevcairiel | arena is fun |
| 09:48.41 | nevcairiel | tho |
| 09:49.01 | Punkie` | i think what ammo means is gear > skill usually |
| 09:49.03 | abbat_w | Like pve too but i don't have so much time for good pve |
| 09:49.12 | abbat_w | Punkie`, it's not right ;) |
| 09:49.16 | abbat_w | Even for warlocks ;) |
| 09:49.20 | nevcairiel | in most cases it is |
| 09:49.21 | Punkie` | most of the time it is |
| 09:49.27 | abbat_w | =) |
| 09:49.35 | abbat_w | I play in pvp about 2 years |
| 09:49.37 | Punkie` | I'm a rogue and I consider myself pretty skillful |
| 09:49.38 | abbat_w | Only pvp |
| 09:49.53 | Punkie` | I don't stand a chance against a cloth wearer with 400 resilience |
| 09:49.54 | abbat_w | Don't want to listen about 'gear > skill' ;) |
| 09:49.56 | nevcairiel | in our pve gear we can just burn down other teams which dont have the aquivalent arena gear or anything for that matter |
| 09:50.07 | abbat_w | If you have skill, you always have gear. Always |
| 09:50.13 | Punkie` | no way |
| 09:50.18 | Punkie` | look at the arena system ffs |
| 09:50.24 | abbat_w | and? |
| 09:50.26 | Punkie` | you get points in 5v5 for 1500 rating |
| 09:50.35 | abbat_w | Yes, this is crap |
| 09:50.36 | nevcairiel | everyone can get arena gear |
| 09:50.38 | Punkie` | aka you get points for fapping |
| 09:50.38 | evl | Punkie`: try a duel against eleene 444 :P |
| 09:50.41 | nevcairiel | thats no issue :P |
| 09:51.08 | abbat_w | But i have 2 x season 1 + 3 x season 2, weapon from season 2 |
| 09:51.10 | Punkie` | evl: yeah it's a bit retarded :p |
| 09:51.13 | kebinusan | ~hypnotoad |
| 09:51.13 | purl | All glory to the hypnotoad! CLAP. CLAP. |
| 09:51.23 | abbat_w | You can't get this if you have 1500 rating ;) |
| 09:51.23 | evl | Even with AR + Bladeflurry |
| 09:51.26 | nevcairiel | before arena gear, pve gear was > * in pvp, no pvp gear could potentally face that |
| 09:51.27 | evl | he can drainlife more than I can dps |
| 09:51.28 | evl | in full PVE gear |
| 09:51.33 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 09:51.35 | evl | :) |
| 09:51.38 | Antiarc | ATTN: |
| 09:51.41 | Antiarc | Screw frost mages. |
| 09:51.42 | [Ammo] | I could as well :) |
| 09:51.54 | abbat_w | evl, in full pve gear lock just die in 1 min ;) |
| 09:51.55 | nevcairiel | use teh evil kick |
| 09:51.55 | [Ammo] | can't with my current spec |
| 09:52.04 | Antiarc | nevcairiel: Have to be in melee range for that >:[ |
| 09:52.08 | abbat_w | If you geared in proper pvp gear |
| 09:52.13 | Antiarc | You hit Frostmage for 87. |
| 09:52.16 | [Ammo] | see.. gear > skill |
| 09:52.17 | evl | abbat_w: me as rogue in full PVE gear, 1700 AP, 34% crit |
| 09:52.17 | Antiarc | You are afflicted by Frostbite. |
| 09:52.17 | Punkie` | deadly throw Antiarc! |
| 09:52.23 | abbat_w | and? |
| 09:52.23 | [Ammo] | zomg my pvp gear owns your pve gear |
| 09:52.24 | Antiarc | What's that going to do? |
| 09:52.27 | [Ammo] | -> no skill required |
| 09:52.30 | abbat_w | !c eu warsong immoralist |
| 09:52.35 | ThraeBot | abbat_w: Immoralist, Level 70 Undead Mage (0/5/56). 10013 HP; 8561 Mana; 125 mana regen; 164 spell crit; 47 spell hit; 789 +spell dmg/heal; 4.94% dodge; 474 resilience; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 710 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2ytd85 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3bavfk ]] |
| 09:52.36 | Antiarc | ICe lance is instant, waterbolt eats me |
| 09:52.38 | Punkie` | interrupt his spellcast maybe? :P |
| 09:52.39 | evl | abbat_w: I can't outdps a resilience decked warlock |
| 09:52.46 | abbat_w | 34% crit? ;) |
| 09:52.47 | evl | abbat_w: His drainlife does more DPS than I do |
| 09:52.54 | phyber | !c eu bloodhoof phyber |
| 09:52.55 | [Ammo] | not only that |
| 09:52.57 | [Ammo] | it heals him |
| 09:52.57 | ThraeBot | phyber: Phyber, Level 70 Human Warlock (7/13/41). 10600 HP; 9595 Mana; 110 mana regen; 122 spell crit; 118 spell hit; 971 +spell dmg; 129 frost dmg (1100); 129 shadow dmg (1100); 4.36% dodge;[[ TBR: 758 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrrfc4 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/349xjj ]] |
| 09:53.03 | evl | exactly :P |
| 09:53.06 | abbat_w | this is because you geared in full crap for pvp |
| 09:53.16 | [Ammo] | gear > skill again |
| 09:53.22 | abbat_w | no Ammo ;) |
| 09:53.27 | abbat_w | it's right only for locks |
| 09:53.41 | Punkie` | gear > skill for pvp and always has been dude :P |
| 09:53.44 | abbat_w | Class which don't require any skill. Have unlimited hp/mana |
| 09:53.45 | Punkie` | since the honor system |
| 09:53.46 | evl | abbat_w: waht the fuck :P |
| 09:53.48 | evl | I just told you :P |
| 09:53.54 | Antiarc | Punkie`: Ice lance = instant = no interrupt :( |
| 09:53.56 | evl | Listen, if I gear stamina with rogue, what does it matter |
| 09:54.01 | evl | I cannot dps more than he can drain life |
| 09:54.06 | evl | so stamina is irrelevant |
| 09:54.07 | Punkie` | Antiarc: Cloak of Skill damnit! |
| 09:54.11 | abbat_w | evl, make pvp talents spec ;) |
| 09:54.19 | abbat_w | Don't use pve gear/spec for pvp ;) |
| 09:54.19 | Antiarc | Punkie`: Yeah, that's on a longer cooldown that frost nova :P |
| 09:54.22 | evl | abbat_w: and again how does that matter a flying fuck |
| 09:54.22 | abbat_w | it's useless |
| 09:54.27 | evl | abbat_w: AAAAAAGH |
| 09:54.30 | Punkie` | Antiarc: Reroll gnome! |
| 09:54.39 | Antiarc | :( |
| 09:54.39 | nevcairiel | we play arena in pve spec |
| 09:54.43 | nevcairiel | its working quite good |
| 09:54.45 | nevcairiel | !te eu antonidas 5v5 reinreiten und fearen |
| 09:54.46 | abbat_w | If you play pvp you should have pvp spec and gear |
| 09:54.47 | evl | abbat_w: I'm telling you I can have full PVE gear or full PVP gear, it doesn't matter, I _cannot dps more than his drainlife heals him for_ |
| 09:54.49 | ThraeBot | nevcairiel: Name: Reinreiten und Fearen (5v5); Todbringer (Alliance); Rank: 9; Rating: 2145; Last Season's Rank: 0; This Season: 157/213 (74%) (Won/Played); This Week: 6/6 (100%); Points: ~1159. [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ynohyk ]] |
| 09:54.58 | evl | abbat_w: you're completely missing the point. |
| 09:55.14 | abbat_w | evl, give me please link to you pvp gear ;) |
| 09:55.14 | Diao | funny though |
| 09:55.21 | Diao | casters are saying |
| 09:55.28 | Diao | that it's unfair that melee can swap gear to completely resist their attacks |
| 09:55.29 | evl | abbat_w is failing now so much I'm gonna close mirc for 10 minutes |
| 09:55.36 | Punkie` | abbat_w: his gear does not make any difference |
| 09:55.40 | abbat_w | I want to see how crap you have if you cannot outdps drain life |
| 09:55.42 | sylvanaar | !c us proudmoore sylvaan |
| 09:55.46 | ThraeBot | sylvanaar: Sylvaan, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (5/0/56). 7264 HP; 9020 Mana; 305 mana regen; 96 mp5; 3.2% melee crit; 26 +spell dmg; 1337 +heal; 5.45% dodge; 44 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10); +33 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 190 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yr5afx ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3am9nn ]] |
| 09:55.49 | [Ammo] | abbat_w: you're saying it again |
| 09:55.51 | [Ammo] | gear > skill |
| 09:55.52 | nevcairiel | gear swapping in arena will be disabeld soonish |
| 09:55.55 | abbat_w | Nope |
| 09:55.58 | sylvanaar | what is PvP? |
| 09:56.00 | Diao | um |
| 09:56.04 | Diao | i can't outdps drain life |
| 09:56.07 | Diao | if i don't pummel it i'm screwed |
| 09:56.09 | abbat_w | i can ;) |
| 09:56.13 | Diao | at lesat not on a SL lock |
| 09:56.27 | Diao | you do over 500 dps on a SL lock with high resil? |
| 09:56.30 | Diao | that's pretty good |
| 09:56.35 | [Ammo] | he doesn't |
| 09:56.47 | Antiarc | Blade Flurry is the solution to SL locks |
| 09:56.47 | [Ammo] | but he will do on a crap geared lock |
| 09:56.49 | abbat_w | Immoralist, Level 70 Undead Mage (0/5/56). 10013 HP; 8561 Mana; 125 mana regen; 164 spell crit; 47 spell hit; 789 +spell dmg/heal; 4.94% dodge; 474 resilience |
| 09:56.49 | Diao | i don't know anyone who does that much |
| 09:56.50 | abbat_w | =) |
| 09:56.50 | [Ammo] | because his skill is > |
| 09:56.50 | Diao | lol |
| 09:57.02 | abbat_w | Ammo ;) |
| 09:57.04 | [Ammo] | because gear does not matter |
| 09:57.10 | [Ammo] | clearly |
| 09:57.13 | abbat_w | Our rating in 5vs5 was 2112 |
| 09:57.24 | abbat_w | Trust me, i see pretty geared locks ;) |
| 09:57.36 | [Ammo] | Rating: 2145 on nevcairiel's pve team :) |
| 09:57.40 | Diao | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1134193663&sid=1 |
| 09:57.41 | Diao | rofl |
| 09:57.41 | abbat_w | Geared for pvp, not for pve shadowbolt spam |
| 09:57.42 | [Ammo] | gear > skill! |
| 09:57.49 | nevcairiel | (we do use arena gear) |
| 09:57.55 | [Ammo] | see! |
| 09:58.02 | [Ammo] | arena gear > spec / skill! |
| 09:58.05 | nevcairiel | only pve spec |
| 09:58.08 | abbat_w | My team won't play. Only 10 games for leech |
| 09:58.08 | nevcairiel | well |
| 09:58.16 | Diao | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1134196805&sid=1 <- look at casters whine about gear swapping being unfair |
| 09:58.19 | nevcairiel | and our rogue has pewpew maces from blacktemple |
| 09:58.20 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 09:58.24 | abbat_w | Don't understand this but i don't have another team |
| 09:58.30 | abbat_w | And we don't have rogue in 5x5 |
| 09:58.45 | [Ammo] | I only do outdoor pvp |
| 09:58.57 | nevcairiel | our server sucks for outdoor pvp |
| 09:58.59 | [Ammo] | make sure people don't like me |
| 09:59.00 | [Ammo] | ever |
| 09:59.00 | nevcairiel | :( |
| 09:59.02 | [Ammo] | it works |
| 09:59.03 | sylvanaar | i just do BG's |
| 09:59.09 | [Ammo] | I get killed soooo much on my rogue and paladin :) |
| 09:59.12 | nevcairiel | our realmpool sucks for BGs :P |
| 09:59.14 | abbat_w | Our BG groups have top EU teams |
| 09:59.20 | abbat_w | Like death finger etc |
| 09:59.32 | abbat_w | Don't know something about nevcairiel's bg group |
| 09:59.43 | nevcairiel | only 6 servers, only pve realms |
| 09:59.44 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 09:59.57 | [Ammo] | pvp realm ftw |
| 09:59.58 | abbat_w | lol |
| 10:00.02 | abbat_w | 2145 rating? :) |
| 10:00.04 | abbat_w | why so crap? |
| 10:00.15 | abbat_w | if only 6 pve servers |
| 10:00.16 | sylvanaar | healing in bg's can be amusing, though i dont like how the other side can see how much i am healing |
| 10:00.19 | nevcairiel | #1 is like 2200 |
| 10:00.26 | nevcairiel | we play nearly every day |
| 10:00.32 | abbat_w | #1 == 2200? :))) |
| 10:00.34 | abbat_w | ahahha :) |
| 10:00.35 | abbat_w | lol |
| 10:00.37 | nevcairiel | but never find any opponents which give more then 4 points :P |
| 10:00.59 | abbat_w | we have 21 point at 2112 ;) |
| 10:01.01 | [Ammo] | really this rating business is just epeen enlargment for people living in their moms basement |
| 10:01.15 | nevcairiel | you have to see the rating relative |
| 10:01.23 | [Ammo] | yup |
| 10:01.23 | nevcairiel | small pool = smaller overall rating |
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| 10:04.48 | abbat_w | Ammo, nope |
| 10:05.06 | abbat_w | 1500 rating - it's bored games with crap geared opponents |
| 10:05.11 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47070 10FuBar_ButtonSmashFu/FuBar_ButtonSmashFu.lua: |
| 10:05.11 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 10:05.11 | CIA-14 | - counter should reflect how many times the button was pressed, not the table index ... |
| 10:05.23 | abbat_w | 2k rating - well geared opponents with knowing how to win ;) |
| 10:05.39 | abbat_w | or knowledge. don't know how is right |
| 10:07.51 | Mecdemort | Nargiddley, ping |
| 10:09.06 | Nargiddley | Mecdemort, whats up ? |
| 10:09.23 | Mecdemort | I've narrowed down a problem that will cause items to not be sorted to any section |
| 10:09.37 | Pkekyo | "Use: Restores 6000 health over 30 sec. Must remain seated while eating. If you spend at least 10 seconds eating, you will become well fed and gain $s1 Stamina and $s2 Spirit for 15 min." |
| 10:09.37 | Pkekyo | wtf is up with the well fed stat values? O.o |
| 10:10.49 | Mecdemort | give me a sec to pasty it |
| 10:10.59 | CIA-14 | 03Tristan * r47071 10Enhancer/ (Console.lua Functions.lua Localization.lua bonus/EP.lua): |
| 10:10.59 | CIA-14 | Enhancer: |
| 10:10.59 | CIA-14 | - Fixed a bug with Searing Totem / Stoneclaw Totem |
| 10:11.26 | abbat_w | Pkekyo, it's skyguard ration? :) |
| 10:11.48 | abbat_w | 15 sta / 10 spi if i remember correctly |
| 10:12.08 | Pkekyo | abbat_w: yes it is |
| 10:12.26 | Pkekyo | wanted to know if it could compete with the food I make myself so I can stop farming food |
| 10:14.54 | Mecdemort | Nargiddley: http://ace.pastey.net/72540 |
| 10:15.18 | abbat_w | Pkekyo, it's unique-20. |
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| 10:15.55 | cncfanatics | yooo all |
| 10:16.06 | abbat_w | hey |
| 10:21.20 | Nargiddley | Mecdemort, nice catch |
| 10:22.01 | Mecdemort | thanks, I kept getting Unknown bagid/sectionid from my AnywhereBags code and couldnt figure out why for the longest time |
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| 10:23.37 | Mecdemort | please do, im still looking for suggestions to make it better |
| 10:23.55 | cncfanatics | how to set a frame's color again ? |
| 10:23.56 | cncfanatics | I forgot ? |
| 10:24.00 | cncfanatics | SetColor ?* |
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| 10:24.12 | Nargiddley | ok, reproduced testing a fix now |
| 10:24.17 | Mecdemort | sweet |
| 10:24.36 | CIA-14 | 03ennuilg * r47072 10scorchio/ (. changelog.txt core.lua scorchio.toc todo.txt): |
| 10:24.36 | CIA-14 | scorchio: inital commit |
| 10:24.36 | CIA-14 | - Tracks Fire Vulnerability Debuff on Multiple Mobs |
| 10:24.37 | Mecdemort | cncfanatics: texture:SetVertexColor(r, g, b, a) |
| 10:24.40 | cncfanatics | ty |
| 10:25.01 | Mecdemort | ~api SetVertexColor |
| 10:25.01 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SetVertexColor |
| 10:25.04 | Mecdemort | sweet |
| 10:25.25 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47073 10FuBar_ButtonSmashFu/ (FuBar_ButtonSmashFu.lua FuBar_ButtonSmashFu.toc): |
| 10:25.25 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 10:25.25 | CIA-14 | - now using ChatThrottleLib |
| 10:25.25 | CIA-14 | - inverted the sorting function so that larger counters are above |
| 10:25.26 | CIA-14 | - introduced a line limit when reporting to avoid unnecessary spam |
| 10:27.03 | cncfanatics | anyone feel like fiddling with FB ? seems there are some bugs and I cant catch them |
| 10:27.04 | CIA-14 | 03nargiddley * r47074 10Baggins/Baggins-Filtering.lua: Baggins: Categories only referenced from other rules don't prevent items matching 'Other' |
| 10:27.12 | Nargiddley | Mecdemort, that fixed my test case |
| 10:27.24 | Mecdemort | ill check it out |
| 10:29.04 | Nargiddley | yay for 1/2 line fixes from a bug report that points me straight at the correct line |
| 10:29.10 | Nargiddley | <3 |
| 10:29.58 | Mecdemort | hmm whats the best way to update if i havnt SVNd it and i dont want to wait for files.wowace update? |
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| 10:30.31 | Nargiddley | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Baggins/Baggins-Filtering.lua |
| 10:30.32 | Nargiddley | save that :P |
| 10:30.52 | Mecdemort | err... ya.. |
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| 10:33.31 | poull | I could use a little help with SVN. I'm using TortoiseSVN. I have an addon in trunk at svn and then created another version i have been working on as a branch. How do i make this nrach become the trunk version? :) |
| 10:33.39 | Mecdemort | is the fix only for banks? |
| 10:35.40 | Nargiddley | fix diddnt care about bank/not bank |
| 10:35.57 | Mecdemort | ah |
| 10:36.29 | Nargiddley | was just an inuse check before i decide if an item can be removed from other |
| 10:37.16 | Mecdemort | ah |
| 10:37.34 | Mecdemort | seems to work, but when testing it i deleted a section and got an error |
| 10:37.57 | Nargiddley | yeah, i was getting that as well. I'll have to look into it :/ |
| 10:38.06 | CIA-14 | 03poull 07poull * r47075 10SmartRes/SmartRes.lua: SmartRes: Removed unsecure resurrects. |
| 10:38.09 | Nargiddley | was from pretty far down the bag layout code |
| 10:38.22 | Pkekyo | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=571743D243BBA7770C30C766540A572B?topicId=1134165636&sid=1&pageNo=1 kekish |
| 10:38.24 | Nargiddley | have to see where i'm not checking for a missing section properly |
| 10:38.24 | Mecdemort | a reload fixes it at least |
| 10:40.40 | poull | Nobody who could help out with my svn issue? :) |
| 10:40.48 | Mecdemort | poull: whats up |
| 10:41.07 | poull | I could use a little help with SVN. I'm using TortoiseSVN. I have an addon in trunk at svn and then created another version i have been working on as a branch. How do i make this nrach become the trunk version? |
| 10:41.47 | Mecdemort | use the merge option i believe |
| 10:42.12 | poull | Won't merge leave old code from the old trunk version? |
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| 10:43.15 | Mecdemort | If they are drastically different i guess you can just overwrite them, but I'm not entirely keen on the SOP |
| 10:43.15 | CIA-14 | 03mikk 07refactor * r47076 10Ace2/ (AceAddon-2.0/AceAddon-2.0.lua AceLibrary/AceLibrary.lua): Ace2 - Major hackery with mixin functionality, all broken still. |
| 10:44.24 | poull | SOP is short for? |
| 10:44.36 | Mikk | Standard Operating Practice |
| 10:45.23 | *** part/#wowace Metago (n=metago@205.72-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 10:47.08 | CIA-14 | 03poull 07poull * r47077 10SmartRes/ (4 files): SmartRes: Moved options and localization to external files. |
| 10:49.12 | Mecdemort | poull: for some light reading ;p http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn-book.html#svn.branchmerge |
| 10:50.33 | CIA-14 | 03belazor * r47078 10AspectsBar/embeds.xml: AspectsBar - Further embeds.xml improvements |
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| 10:51.26 | Mecdemort | Nargiddley: I pull all the item info and baggins bagid/sectionid when the user logs out, but sometimes items are still sorted into New, is there a way to force a reset new items? |
| 10:52.06 | poull | Ok thank you Mecdemort :) |
| 10:52.54 | Punkie` | poull: you do some work on pallypower? |
| 10:54.39 | Nargiddley | Mecdemort, Baggins:SaveItemCounts() Baggins:ForceFullUpdate() |
| 10:55.37 | CIA-14 | 03ennuilg * r47079 10scorchio/: |
| 10:55.37 | CIA-14 | scorchio: |
| 10:55.37 | CIA-14 | - Updated Externals |
| 10:58.55 | Mecdemort | I shouldnt think that would take long to process right? |
| 10:59.31 | Nargiddley | nah its reasonably quick |
| 10:59.53 | Mecdemort | ok dont wanna bog down the user when they're trying to log out |
| 11:00.32 | Nargiddley | its 1/2-1 sec on a slow machine with lots of rules i'd think |
| 11:00.47 | Mecdemort | ya not bad, .21 on mine |
| 11:01.40 | CIA-14 | 03ennuilg * r47080 10scorchio/: |
| 11:01.40 | CIA-14 | scorchio: |
| 11:01.40 | CIA-14 | - Corrected Externals |
| 11:02.03 | CIA-14 | 03nargiddley * r47081 10Baggins/Baggins-Options.lua: Baggins: Rework section editing, section details are now on a seperate page to prevent hitting the control limit on large bags |
| 11:02.39 | Mecdemort | Oh, when you pull up the dewdrop frame to edit a rule is there a surefire way to close it? |
| 11:02.56 | Nargiddley | click on the world |
| 11:03.06 | [dRaCo] | Nargiddley: customizable colors? please? :) |
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| 11:03.20 | CIA-14 | 03poull * r47082 10SmartRes/ (7 files): SmartRes: Updated to branch version. |
| 11:03.31 | ennuilg | Hello... |
| 11:03.39 | CIA-14 | 03mikk * r47083 10!BugGrabber/BugGrabber.lua: |
| 11:03.39 | CIA-14 | !BugGrabber: |
| 11:03.39 | CIA-14 | - Don't error out if GetLibraryVersion() doesn't return a correct minor (replace with "?") |
| 11:03.39 | Mecdemort | oh nice |
| 11:03.58 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47084 10FuBar_ButtonSmashFu/ (FuBar_ButtonSmashFu.lua FuBar_ButtonSmashFu.toc): |
| 11:03.58 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 11:03.58 | CIA-14 | - added spells icons right to each spellname in the tooltip |
| 11:04.05 | Grum | Megalon; thanks for that pastey:) |
| 11:04.21 | Nargiddley | [dRaCo], few bugs to sort out first |
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| 11:04.29 | Nargiddley | and no more time tonight to work on it |
| 11:04.51 | [dRaCo] | but it's in the pipe and subject to be released anytime soon? |
| 11:05.11 | Nargiddley | its on the list of things to get done |
| 11:05.23 | [dRaCo] | yay! thx =) |
| 11:06.21 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47085 10FuBar_ButtonSmashFu/: |
| 11:06.21 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 11:06.22 | CIA-14 | - adding Babble-Spell to externals |
| 11:07.22 | Mecdemort | hmm any way to know if there are items in new? |
| 11:07.30 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47086 10FuBar_RaidBuffFu/FuBar_RaidBuffFu.lua: |
| 11:07.30 | CIA-14 | FuBar_RaidBuffFu: |
| 11:07.30 | CIA-14 | - hide buff icon when buff icon is not found instead of showing a yellow arrow |
| 11:08.04 | CIA-14 | 03mecdemort * r47087 10Baggins_AnywhereBags/Core.lua: Baggins_AnywhereBags: - Reset new items before saving bags. |
| 11:08.24 | Nargiddley | if they still have the New category defined and set to new items then just check if that has anything in it |
| 11:08.44 | Nargiddley | other than that it'd be checking the counts on everything |
| 11:08.45 | Mecdemort | ok |
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| 11:12.46 | poull | So any of you know something about how effecient the garbage collecter in lua is? I mean how does it compares to clearing manually. |
| 11:13.20 | Mecdemort | Nargiddley: categorycache is local, any way to access it? |
| 11:13.34 | |Pixel| | define "clearing manuall" :) |
| 11:13.42 | Pkekyo | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=kZxMGzfccoo <--- opinions? |
| 11:13.44 | |Pixel| | +y |
| 11:14.19 | Nargiddley | i'll add a function for it Mecdemort, that was one of the things that was breaking Fubar heh :/ |
| 11:14.22 | Mecdemort | Pkekyo: whats your crit? |
| 11:14.41 | poull | As an examble, imagine running through a list and seeting each entry to nil, instead of just assigning the array to a new empty array and letting garge collecter handle it |
| 11:15.00 | Pkekyo | Mecdemort: don't have a clue...just an alt I'm leveling |
| 11:15.00 | |Pixel| | afaik, that'd be exactly the same |
| 11:15.07 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather thaladon |
| 11:15.13 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Thaladon, Level 35 Blood Elf Mage (0/0/26). 990 HP; 3428 Mana; 102 mana regen; 4.55% dodge;[[ TBR: 262 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ywdem4 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/35a9cf ]] |
| 11:15.18 | |Pixel| | setting an entry to nil won't free it, the value will still exists, until the gc collects it |
| 11:15.41 | Mecdemort | Pkekyo: Imp Fire Blast is all but useless, get ignite instead |
| 11:15.54 | Pkekyo | 6.13% crit |
| 11:16.00 | |Pixel| | now the big difference may be that the reference counts will get different |
| 11:16.09 | poull | Why do some libraries make a great deal out of reusing old lists then? |
| 11:16.10 | |Pixel| | so that the gc may collect the values faster |
| 11:16.12 | Nargiddley | if its a table that gets filled and discarded alot, clearing and reusing is better |
| 11:16.43 | |Pixel| | yes; the index of a table isn't shrinking |
| 11:16.43 | Pkekyo | Mecdemort: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=kZxGMzfccoo something like this then? |
| 11:16.52 | |Pixel| | should only be able to grow |
| 11:17.17 | |Pixel| | so better re-use the slots and keep the index of the table to a reasonable size |
| 11:17.20 | CIA-14 | 03nargiddley * r47088 10Baggins/Baggins-Filtering.lua: Baggins: add :GetCategoryCache() |
| 11:17.35 | Mecdemort | Pkekyo: ya thats fine |
| 11:18.01 | Nargiddley | its generally not the values that you're worrying about, the table itself is |
| 11:18.33 | Nargiddley | unless they're tables themselves then the same applies to them |
| 11:19.10 | Pkekyo | fire specc any good for leveling btw? was just toying around with the talent calc :p |
| 11:19.17 | poull | If you have lists which are quite small, let's say less than 20 entries, is it worth bothering too then? |
| 11:19.42 | Nargiddley | poull, how often are they created and discarded ? |
| 11:20.00 | Mecdemort | all of the trees are about equal for leveling, tho if you have trouble dieing frost is the way to go |
| 11:20.19 | Pkekyo | I've never tried anything but frost soeh... |
| 11:20.23 | poull | Some maybe like every 5 min |
| 11:21.20 | Mecdemort | the only thin you dont want to do is arcane until you have a lot of points |
| 11:21.27 | Nargiddley | not a big deal then poull |
| 11:21.50 | Nargiddley | reusing will be less garbage for the collector to deal with, but 1 table every 5 mins isnt much |
| 11:23.28 | poull | But since the collecter still have to free nil entries it seems to me that only thing extra it has to clear is the list itself, and then just a new list have to allocated, doesn't seem that much work to me even though it was done more frequently |
| 11:24.36 | Nargiddley | when it gets to a few tables every second it adds up fast |
| 11:25.04 | Mecdemort | Nargiddley: is Categories.New stored as a sparse table or will # work to see if it's empty? |
| 11:25.14 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r47089 10AddonLoader/AddonLoader-zhTW.lua: AddonLoader: updated zhTW localization |
| 11:25.36 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r47090 10Cartographer/ (Cartographer.toc Cartographer_Notes/Notes.lua): Cartographer: updated zhTW localization |
| 11:26.03 | Nargiddley | all the caches are cache[sectionname][slot] = true |
| 11:26.18 | CIA-14 | 03mikk 07refactor * r47091 10Ace2/AceLibrary/AceLibrary.lua: |
| 11:26.18 | CIA-14 | Ace2 - AceLibrary.lua: |
| 11:26.18 | CIA-14 | - Reimplement minimalistic :argCheck() and :error() |
| 11:26.32 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r47092 10Cartographer_Trainers/addon.lua: |
| 11:26.32 | CIA-14 | Cartographer_Trainers |
| 11:26.32 | CIA-14 | - updated zhTW localization |
| 11:26.32 | CIA-14 | - Added option to disable minimap tracking circles |
| 11:26.54 | Mecdemort | I'm still not sure on a good way to check if such a table is not empty |
| 11:27.05 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r47093 10FuBar_LocationFu/LocationFuLocale-zhTW.lua: FuBar_LocationFu: updated zhTW localization |
| 11:27.08 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 11:27.12 | Nargiddley | if next(table) |
| 11:27.15 | cncfanatics | is there any way to make that clicking a button will not check it ? |
| 11:27.23 | cncfanatics | but just leave the current checked state unchanged |
| 11:27.26 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r47094 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/Font.lua: Prat: updated zhTW localization |
| 11:27.46 | Mecdemort | cncfanatics: in the Set method, just dont change the value? |
| 11:28.06 | cncfanatics | When you click a button it will automaticly switch them |
| 11:28.44 | cncfanatics | guess i'll save it PreClick and restore it PostClick |
| 11:28.52 | CIA-14 | 03ascalia * r47095 10AtlasLoot_WorldLoot/AtlasLoot_WorldLoot.toc: |
| 11:28.52 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot_WorldLoot: |
| 11:28.52 | CIA-14 | - small TOC fix |
| 11:28.58 | Mecdemort | Nargiddley: you're a lifesaver |
| 11:29.27 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47096 10FuBar_ButtonSmashFu/FuBar_ButtonSmashFu.lua: |
| 11:29.27 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 11:29.27 | CIA-14 | - added a confirmation before resetting data |
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| 11:31.09 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r47097 10Cartographer_Vendors/addon.lua: |
| 11:31.09 | CIA-14 | Cartographer_Vendors |
| 11:31.09 | CIA-14 | - xionglingfeng, please don't revert others change without saying anything |
| 11:31.09 | CIA-14 | - updated zhTW localization |
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| 11:32.11 | Mecdemort | hmm what happens if they just put the New Items rule in something other than New? |
| 11:32.44 | Nargiddley | then theres no good way to check :/ |
| 11:33.39 | Mecdemort | ah well |
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| 11:36.34 | CIA-14 | 03mecdemort * r47098 10Baggins_AnywhereBags/Core.lua: Baggins_AnywhereBags: - Only resets new Items if using highlightnew and category New currently has items filtered to it. |
| 11:39.22 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47099 10FuBar_ButtonSmashFu/FuBar_ButtonSmashFu.lua: |
| 11:39.22 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 11:39.22 | CIA-14 | - pressing an empty button no longer cause an error |
| 11:41.47 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47100 10SnapshotBar/SnapshotBar.lua: |
| 11:41.47 | CIA-14 | SnapshotBar: |
| 11:41.47 | CIA-14 | - save on logout is now off by default |
| 11:42.26 | Mecdemort | there, that should reduce any unnecesary lag unless the user is creative |
| 11:42.38 | Mecdemort | and if they are creative... they shall be punished for it |
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| 11:45.05 | Mecdemort | now then, i demand more ideas for better functionality! |
| 11:47.34 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 11:47.40 | cncfanatics | when can spells become unusable ? |
| 11:47.42 | cncfanatics | mana, what else ? |
| 11:47.54 | Mecdemort | range |
| 11:47.56 | Gngsk | range |
| 11:47.57 | Mecdemort | reagents |
| 11:47.58 | Gngsk | cooldown |
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| 11:48.24 | Megalon | silence |
| 11:48.35 | Gngsk | that'd be cooldown |
| 11:48.40 | Megalon | oh, right |
| 11:48.43 | Mecdemort | naw global silence wouldnt proc a cooldown |
| 11:48.44 | Megalon | stun/polymorph things |
| 11:48.45 | ennuilg | Target Immunity? |
| 11:48.54 | Mecdemort | can still cast if target is immune sometimes |
| 11:49.00 | cncfanatics | Its for an actionbar addon, so its mainly for colloring the button |
| 11:49.17 | cncfanatics | I mean when the IsUsableSpell would start returning something else |
| 11:49.19 | cncfanatics | it doesn't on stuns |
| 11:49.21 | cncfanatics | it does on mana |
| 11:49.22 | Mecdemort | there should be a blizzard function that lets you see how it should be colored |
| 11:49.23 | cncfanatics | it doesnt on range |
| 11:49.37 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 11:49.38 | cncfanatics | buffs |
| 11:49.40 | cncfanatics | Forbearance |
| 11:49.41 | cncfanatics | and the like |
| 11:49.51 | CIA-14 | 03belazor * r47101 10DynRepBar/ (DynRepBar.toc DynRepBar.xml embeds.xml): |
| 11:49.51 | CIA-14 | DynRepBar: |
| 11:49.51 | CIA-14 | - Use embeds.xml |
| 11:50.10 | Xinhuan | extract the default ui out |
| 11:50.16 | Xinhuan | and look at the code lol |
| 11:51.44 | cncfanatics | default UI uses OnUpdate |
| 11:51.48 | cncfanatics | which is a plain waste of cpu & memory |
| 11:51.58 | CIA-14 | 03jncl * r47102 10Skinner/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Skinner: Updated WIM & XRS skins |
| 11:55.27 | Mecdemort | hmm i really should make wikis and forum posts for my addons |
| 11:55.38 | cncfanatics | wikis <3 |
| 11:56.01 | Nargiddley | i should update the Baggins one sometime, i think its ~6months out of date |
| 11:56.15 | CIA-14 | 03ammo 07refactor * r47103 10Ace2/AceEvent-2.0/AceEvent-2.0.lua: |
| 11:56.15 | CIA-14 | Ace2 - AceEvent: |
| 11:56.15 | CIA-14 | - Clean up most of the code |
| 11:56.15 | CIA-14 | - Use new Acelib |
| 11:56.15 | CIA-14 | - bucket events need redoing |
| 11:56.15 | CIA-14 | - fully_init needs to be reimplemented |
| 11:56.22 | ramoz | hmmmmm |
| 11:56.23 | Mecdemort | i havnt a clue where to start with making either |
| 11:56.24 | ramoz | discordmods.com |
| 11:56.42 | cncfanatics | does that still exist ramoz ? |
| 11:57.04 | [Ammo] | lozareth pulled the plug |
| 11:58.01 | CIA-14 | 03ascalia * r47104 10AtlasLoot/ (5 files in 4 dirs): |
| 11:58.01 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 11:58.01 | CIA-14 | - overhauled several german files |
| 11:58.12 | ramoz | cncfanatics: it does |
| 11:58.33 | ramoz | loz even made a post a couple of weeks ago about him starting DUB (again, for the fithteenth time) |
| 11:59.16 | cncfanatics | ramoz, making such huge addons is hard -.- |
| 11:59.21 | CIA-14 | 03mecdemort * r47105 10Baggins_AnywhereBags/Core.lua: Baggins_AnywhereBags: - Removed MoneyUpdate event and no longer show current player's money. (Look in your bag you lazy bum) |
| 11:59.29 | cncfanatics | I started FB2 3 times over myself |
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| 12:00.42 | ramoz | well now he's making it even bigger |
| 12:00.59 | ramoz | he's putting DAB, DUF and DART in the same addon :O |
| 12:01.16 | ramoz | aka DUB |
| 12:01.21 | cncfanatics | thats silly |
| 12:01.31 | cncfanatics | thats the god damn definition of bloat lol |
| 12:01.36 | ramoz | well |
| 12:01.37 | cncfanatics | what if someone only ants DART? |
| 12:01.39 | cncfanatics | or only DAB ? |
| 12:01.55 | ramoz | the have to go with DUB |
| 12:02.14 | cncfanatics | or rather, they'll get another addon that does only what they need |
| 12:02.22 | ramoz | yes |
| 12:02.22 | ramoz | well |
| 12:02.36 | ramoz | all of his addons have been bloat |
| 12:02.50 | cncfanatics | true enough |
| 12:03.08 | cncfanatics | DAB was even more bloated then the old flexbar, which was also a lot of bloat |
| 12:03.22 | Mecdemort | Nargiddley: have you checked out anywherebags? i'd be tickled for your input on how to improve it |
| 12:03.30 | Arrowmaster | DUB was annouced a long time ago |
| 12:03.34 | Nargiddley | Mecdemort, havent had a chance yet |
| 12:03.42 | abbat_w | dub... |
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| 12:03.50 | abbat_w | i think it's never been released |
| 12:03.51 | Nargiddley | dont play much atm |
| 12:03.59 | ramoz | Arrowmaster: yes, but then he disapeard for 6 months |
| 12:04.08 | Arrowmaster | no he didnt |
| 12:04.13 | Arrowmaster | he plays a priest on my server |
| 12:04.32 | abbat_w | Lozareth |
| 12:05.01 | Arrowmaster | and used to be in my current guild before my previous guild merged with it |
| 12:05.29 | Arrowmaster | ive got him friends listed, lazy basterd never comes online much and not for long when he does |
| 12:05.57 | Arrowmaster | but ill still see him about once a week |
| 12:06.06 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 12:06.31 | Arrowmaster | so hes deffently still around |
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| 12:07.58 | Arrowmaster | hmm i just realized it tuesday..... |
| 12:08.09 | Arrowmaster | i think ive been up since sunday..... |
| 12:08.22 | cncfanatics | rofl |
| 12:08.24 | cncfanatics | nice one |
| 12:08.25 | Mikk | bed is ---------> there |
| 12:08.28 | Mikk | sleep |
| 12:08.38 | Arrowmaster | but but but.... |
| 12:08.48 | Arrowmaster | ive still got more anime in my playlist to watch |
| 12:08.56 | Mikk | WRONG |
| 12:09.08 | ramoz | hentai? |
| 12:09.18 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 12:10.09 | CIA-14 | 03sylvanaar * r47106 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/AltNames.lua: Prat: Prevent AltNames error on load |
| 12:10.27 | CIA-14 | 03belazor * r47107 10FuBar_ItemBonusesFu/ (FuBar_ItemBonusesFu.toc embeds.xml): |
| 12:10.27 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ItemBonusesFu |
| 12:10.27 | CIA-14 | - Use embeds.xml |
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| 12:17.49 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47108 10FuBar_ButtonSmashFu/FuBar_ButtonSmashFu.lua: |
| 12:17.49 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 12:17.49 | CIA-14 | - pet abilities are now nicely displayed |
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| 12:22.39 | sylvanaar | lol and there is no maintenance today |
| 12:22.45 | sylvanaar | just rolling restarts |
| 12:23.00 | abbat_w | good. no patch today then ;) |
| 12:23.10 | sylvanaar | no |
| 12:23.17 | sylvanaar | test realm is up still |
| 12:24.34 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 12:24.51 | cncfanatics | would people consider losing 2fps when 120 buttons are on the screen reasonable ? |
| 12:24.55 | sylvanaar | Mikk wanna write a multicast addon message router? |
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| 12:25.58 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 12:25.58 | CIA-14 | - added a /say report option |
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| 12:27.53 | cncfanatics | how can you check if someone is currently casting a spell ? |
| 12:28.40 | cncfanatics | someone ? -.- |
| 12:28.52 | sylvanaar | if you have a unit relation to them you get events |
| 12:29.07 | abbat_w | easy |
| 12:29.15 | abbat_w | if isBegin == true |
| 12:29.24 | abbat_w | (from parserlib) |
| 12:30.06 | cncfanatics | is UNIT_SPELLCAST_START also triggered for channeling ? |
| 12:30.12 | cncfanatics | or only UNIT_SPELLCAST_CHANNEL_START ? |
| 12:31.07 | abbat_w | as i see in Antagonist code, for channeled spells exists they own events |
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| 12:31.21 | cncfanatics | yes, but are both triggered when you channel something ? or only the later ? |
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| 12:32.53 | cncfanatics | I have no channeled spells on my char so I cant even test it |
| 12:33.06 | Pkekyo | holy jumping fukcing shitballs! |
| 12:33.06 | Pkekyo | two F16s just flew right past my window O.o |
| 12:33.24 | Amadeo | Lies |
| 12:33.34 | Nandini | sure you do, hearthstone and fishing are both channelled spells cnc |
| 12:33.34 | sb | screenshot or it didnt happen |
| 12:33.35 | abbat_w | cnc, i think only one. correspond to type. for channeled - unit_spellcast_channeled_* |
| 12:33.45 | Amadeo | Plus, they'd likely hit a tree if they were that close! |
| 12:33.49 | Nandini | wait hearthstone isn't |
| 12:33.50 | Nandini | fishing is |
| 12:34.04 | Pkekyo | well, not close enough to blow out my windows and stuff, but still...close |
| 12:34.34 | Pkekyo | Amadeo: there's only one tree near my house kek |
| 12:34.39 | Amadeo | haha |
| 12:34.47 | cncfanatics | hearthstone is casted Nandini |
| 12:34.57 | cncfanatics | fishing indeed |
| 12:34.58 | cncfanatics | lets try |
| 12:35.28 | Pkekyo | but what's baffling me isn't that they flew so close...WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY DOING HERE? O.o |
| 12:35.45 | nevcairiel | first-aid is channeling too |
| 12:36.01 | Nandini | true, bandaging is channeled |
| 12:36.27 | Nandini | an item with a channelled, spell, something else for you to try :) |
| 12:36.39 | Pkekyo | sb: screenshot on it's way kek |
| 12:38.40 | Mecdemort | how do i do that autogenerated wiki jazz for my addon? |
| 12:39.11 | Nandini | {{template|infobox}} i believe |
| 12:39.21 | Wobin | hm |
| 12:39.22 | Nandini | wait : not | |
| 12:39.30 | Wobin | I can't seem to get Cart_mining nodes showing up =( |
| 12:40.22 | Pkekyo | sb: http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6434/p8212447xs3.jpg |
| 12:40.22 | Pkekyo | taken on their return flight though (after a u-turn to their left), so further away than the first pass |
| 12:41.53 | sb | mhmhm |
| 12:41.57 | Pkekyo | satisfied? kek |
| 12:42.00 | sb | :o |
| 12:42.11 | sb | spell reflects are not displayed in parrot? |
| 12:42.16 | Pkekyo | yes they are |
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| 12:42.24 | sb | hm |
| 12:42.29 | Pkekyo | only it's with tiny purple writing so they're incredibly hard to see |
| 12:43.23 | Stan__ | Pkekyo: lovely landscape |
| 12:43.25 | Mecdemort | ok why do wiki formats always blowup when i look at them |
| 12:43.25 | abbat_w | guys |
| 12:43.39 | Pkekyo | Stan, sec, gonna give you a link to a pic I took at sunrise |
| 12:43.44 | Amadeo | Pkekyo: fake pic! |
| 12:43.51 | Pkekyo | Amadeo: no, not really |
| 12:44.20 | Pkekyo | Stan__: http://static.nettby.no/users/p/k/e/pkekyo/files/sunrise2.jpg <--- early sunrise |
| 12:44.36 | Pkekyo | imba view indeed |
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| 12:44.56 | Stan__ | wow |
| 12:44.57 | Nandini | just click on their edit page mecdemort and see which templates and wiki tags they use |
| 12:44.58 | Stan__ | awesome |
| 12:45.14 | Stan__ | where is that? |
| 12:45.22 | sleep|raider | I was thinking abit the other day about performens in general, not directly to ace mods, but do it mean much to performens if you have 50 addons that all use the same event to something? contra having some system that only registere a event once and then handle all the stuff for the 20 addons, which then was coded to use that handler instead of just the register the event it self. lol i am not even sure if it make sence what i write now :P |
| 12:45.31 | sleep|raider | it did when i was thinking about it :P |
| 12:45.37 | Industrial | sleep|raider: performance* |
| 12:45.48 | Pkekyo | Stan__: mid-western norway |
| 12:45.51 | Borked|Raider | ye sorry my english are rather bad! |
| 12:46.37 | Industrial | Borked|Raider: most likely not. |
| 12:46.44 | Borked|Raider | oki |
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| 12:47.18 | Borked|Raider | in all the ace mods its just the addons themself that register the events ? or useing some api from ace libb to it? |
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| 12:48.36 | Industrial | http://wowace.com/wiki/Ace2 |
| 12:48.38 | Industrial | >_> |
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| 12:50.18 | Pkekyo | meh, I'd wish I had used my zoom objective when snapping shots of those figher jets...I wanna know where the hell they came from :p |
| 12:50.46 | Industrial | ur bum LOLOL |
| 12:50.47 | Industrial | anyway |
| 12:50.54 | cncfanatics | Industrial ! |
| 12:50.54 | Pkekyo | rofl |
| 12:51.16 | Pkekyo | oh well, no weapon loadouts on them, guess they're not hostile :P |
| 12:51.18 | Industrial | Borked|Raider: its like a separate frame for every AceEvents enabled Ace2 addon, afaik. |
| 12:51.42 | Borked|Raider | ye so same as all addons register the event |
| 12:51.54 | Industrial | could be wrong tho |
| 12:52.05 | Borked|Raider | dont think you are |
| 12:52.11 | Industrial | *checks it out* |
| 12:52.18 | Borked|Raider | :P |
| 12:52.31 | Borked|Raider | naa cba :P |
| 12:52.36 | Amadeo | This is interesting |
| 12:52.38 | Amadeo | http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/mit-startup-raises-multicore-bar-with-new-64-core-cpu.ars |
| 12:52.45 | MoonWolf | it will fail |
| 12:52.59 | Borked|Raider | but i should find my self a project to code on to get time going tho |
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| 12:54.13 | Mecdemort | hmm {{Addon Infobox}} works but the tutorial says to use {{Addon Infobox|{{PAGENAME}}}} which doesnt work |
| 12:54.49 | Nandini | if your page is named exactly the same as your addon, you can just use {{Addon Infobox}} |
| 12:55.18 | Mecdemort | ah |
| 12:55.34 | Nandini | if it's not use {{Addon Infobox|AddonTitle}} where AddonTitle is the same as what's in your TOC file |
| 12:56.55 | Nandini | if you had made a collection of addons, you could conceivably put an infobox for each on your wiki page |
| 12:57.05 | abbat_w | Guys, can someone explain me why authors use 'local function' into function? |
| 12:57.40 | Nandini | local functions (like local variables) can't be accessed outside the block they're declared in |
| 12:57.47 | abbat_w | for example: |
| 12:57.48 | abbat_w | function Parrot_CombatEvents:OnOptionsCreate() |
| 12:58.05 | abbat_w | and into OnOptionsCreate() some 'local function' |
| 12:58.09 | Nandini | in Lua a function is also a type of variable |
| 12:58.16 | abbat_w | yep |
| 12:58.26 | abbat_w | used for Waterfall get/set |
| 12:58.28 | cncfanatics | the fact you can do it doesnt explain who you'd do it in the first place |
| 12:58.37 | cncfanatics | I only do it for waterfall |
| 12:59.16 | Mecdemort | it has it's uses |
| 12:59.17 | Nandini | i'd assume the same reason you'd use other types of local variables |
| 12:59.22 | abbat_w | local function can't address self: ? |
| 12:59.55 | abbat_w | it's not a object method? |
| 13:00.20 | abbat_w | it's just a static function as i correct understand? |
| 13:00.20 | cncfanatics | they should be able to access their parent's self |
| 13:00.25 | Borked|Raider | anyone got a tool that can take a folder of lua files and generate a html file or something listing all functions? |
| 13:00.30 | cncfanatics | if self is accessible in the parent's scope they can too |
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| 13:01.07 | abbat_w | cnc, tonight i look how ckk make 'new trigger' for waterfall configuration |
| 13:01.19 | Nandini | if you're writing a library addon, autodoc can do it for you Borked |
| 13:01.23 | abbat_w | and i found what i can't access self:xxx(y) from local function |
| 13:01.28 | Nandini | maybe even if it's not a library |
| 13:01.43 | cncfanatics | abbat_w, hmmmm |
| 13:01.49 | Borked|Raider | Nandini, i am not, i am just having some lua files and was interested in seeing all the functions in them listed somehow |
| 13:02.13 | Borked|Raider | its not some ace libb so most licky dont follow those standarts for comments and whatnot |
| 13:02.13 | Nandini | if you're using notepad++ you can install the functions window plugin |
| 13:02.38 | Nandini | it won't give you an html list, but it at least gives you a list when you open the lua file |
| 13:02.39 | cncfanatics | or just parse the file and search for function * (*) lines |
| 13:02.59 | Nandini | most Lua IDEs have similar functionality |
| 13:03.02 | CIA-14 | 03hamunaptra * r47110 10fmBuffCheck/fmBuffCheck-defaults.lua: |
| 13:03.02 | CIA-14 | fmBuffCheck: |
| 13:03.02 | CIA-14 | - updated some elixir ratings |
| 13:03.02 | CIA-14 | 03mecdemort * r47111 10Baggins_AnywhereBags/ (Baggins_AnywhereBags.toc Core.lua): Baggins_AnywhereBags: - Fixed money update error. |
| 13:03.22 | cncfanatics | string.find(FileContent, "function (.*) \((.*)\)"); would do it to find it in lua |
| 13:03.52 | Borked|Raider | cncfanatics, ye that was what i would do. But thats one file at the time. Was hoping for a tool to take a hole folder and generate the htlm file :) |
| 13:03.54 | Borked|Raider | would be nice |
| 13:04.58 | Borked|Raider | but well shouldnt take long to recode one i made for sml some time ago .:P |
| 13:06.17 | abbat_w | And another question |
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| 13:09.21 | abbat_w | if a make a multi-lvl table like tableA = { name = x, val = { 1, 2, 3}} |
| 13:09.34 | abbat_w | if i do 'local tmp = tableA.val' |
| 13:09.53 | abbat_w | now tmp is a copy of tableA.val or just reference to tableA.val? |
| 13:10.03 | Xinhuan | reference |
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| 13:10.24 | abbat_w | All values pass by reference in lua? |
| 13:10.29 | |Pixel| | only tables |
| 13:10.31 | Xinhuan | tables |
| 13:10.37 | Xinhuan | only |
| 13:10.44 | abbat_w | ah, yep. i ask about tables sure ;) |
| 13:10.45 | abbat_w | thanks |
| 13:11.20 | abbat_w | now i uderstand why some ppl using globals and other huge constructions |
| 13:11.43 | Xinhuan | what do you understand? ;p |
| 13:12.36 | Xinhuan | you might be confusing "globals" as file-wide locals |
| 13:12.46 | abbat_w | nope |
| 13:12.46 | Xinhuan | vs true globals |
| 13:12.54 | abbat_w | i work with perl about 3 years |
| 13:13.21 | abbat_w | And now if i see ckk's code i see something like 'old perl geeks code' ;) |
| 13:13.49 | abbat_w | constructions which can't be understand withoit 1 botle of vodka or something |
| 13:14.47 | Pkekyo | http://static.nettby.no/users/s/m/0/sm0oke/files/estupido.jpg I dunno if I should laugh or cry |
| 13:15.02 | abbat_w | ahah |
| 13:15.04 | abbat_w | lol |
| 13:15.08 | abbat_w | it's impossible ;) |
| 13:15.34 | Industrial | you do know thats a holy symbol right? |
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| 13:15.47 | abbat_w | Sure |
| 13:15.50 | Industrial | ok |
| 13:16.04 | abbat_w | But white bg and red t-shirt |
| 13:16.11 | abbat_w | looks like true swastic |
| 13:16.17 | cncfanatics | GOD FUCK BLIZZARD IS CRAP |
| 13:16.20 | abbat_w | But this guy not white ;)))) |
| 13:16.28 | cncfanatics | they make some of their functions return 0 for false when 0 is god damn interpretted as true |
| 13:16.28 | abbat_w | Why they wear this t-shirt? :) |
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| 13:17.53 | Industrial | local function check(x) return x == 0 or false and false or x end |
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| 13:17.55 | Industrial | cncfanatics: ^ |
| 13:17.58 | Industrial | i.. think |
| 13:18.05 | Pkekyo | Industrial: that exact version of the symbol is not holy in any way |
| 13:18.05 | Industrial | and/or logic is fun :o |
| 13:18.26 | Industrial | then ehs just dumb? |
| 13:18.41 | Pkekyo | these versions might be considered holy or religious though: http://casrom.free.fr/Ryan/143.gif |
| 13:18.53 | abbat_w | Agree with Pkekyo |
| 13:20.02 | Pkekyo | that specific version of the symbol on the guy's shirt is not to be associated with anything but nazism, although it indeed resembles symbols you can find throughout several religions and such |
| 13:20.18 | Pkekyo | hence: I dunno wether to cry or laugh my arse off :/ |
| 13:20.47 | Industrial | ctrl-w :P |
| 13:20.53 | Industrial | (close tab) |
| 13:21.04 | abbat_w | Anyway, why black boy wear shirt with swastic? :) |
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| 13:21.37 | Pkekyo | swastic? |
| 13:22.12 | abbat_w | fylfot, gammadion, swastika |
| 13:22.27 | Pkekyo | ah |
| 13:22.40 | Nandini | i would guess that someone photoshopped that image, to be honest |
| 13:22.44 | Pkekyo | abbat_w: don't know...not sure I wanna know... |
| 13:22.49 | Nandini | i can't imagine any place that would SELL those shirts |
| 13:22.51 | abbat_w | Pkekyo ;) |
| 13:22.56 | Pkekyo | looks genuine to me |
| 13:23.04 | abbat_w | After 5-10 year, WWII was just history |
| 13:23.22 | abbat_w | Like war between Russia and France |
| 13:23.36 | Xinhuan | is the wow auth server dead? |
| 13:23.39 | Pkekyo | Nandini: I can imagine several...not exactly your regular clothing supplier though |
| 13:23.59 | Pkekyo | Xinhuan: us or eu? :> |
| 13:24.02 | Xinhuan | us |
| 13:24.18 | abbat_w | rolling restarts? |
| 13:24.21 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 13:24.27 | Xinhuan | i can't get past "authenticating" |
| 13:24.35 | abbat_w | maintenance maybe? |
| 13:24.41 | Pkekyo | what time and day is it stateside atm? |
| 13:24.50 | Xinhuan | the login screen just says all realms will begin a series of rolling restarts |
| 13:24.55 | Xinhuan | which lasts no longer than 15 min |
| 13:25.04 | Xinhuan | and all realms should be restarted within 1 hour |
| 13:25.05 | Nandini | tuesday morning, 9:30 AM east coast, 6:30 AM west coast |
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| 13:25.16 | Xinhuan | doesn't say anything about auth server going down! |
| 13:25.47 | Pkekyo | is it patchday btw? |
| 13:25.52 | Xinhuan | no |
| 13:25.53 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 13:25.54 | Pkekyo | or they still holding the patch? |
| 13:25.57 | Pkekyo | meh |
| 13:26.04 | Xinhuan | i bet they are tweaking the voice chat system |
| 13:26.07 | abbat_w | still hold |
| 13:26.07 | Xinhuan | and UI |
| 13:26.09 | Pkekyo | geif patch :< |
| 13:26.17 | abbat_w | 2-3 week maybe? |
| 13:26.45 | Xinhuan | been 2 weeks since voice chat was activated i think |
| 13:26.46 | Xinhuan | on PTR |
| 13:26.49 | Nandini | they still haven't resolved all the known issues they've posted in the PTR forums |
| 13:26.59 | abbat_w | and why no x-realms bg chats ;) |
| 13:27.03 | abbat_w | it's be fun i think ;) |
| 13:27.10 | Pkekyo | issues like what? |
| 13:27.34 | Nandini | more issues with set bonuses |
| 13:27.51 | Nandini | poor sound engine performance on vista |
| 13:27.56 | abbat_w | i wait only crits + resilience fix |
| 13:28.12 | Nandini | the entire sound engine has been replaced, they didn't just add voice chat on top of the old one |
| 13:28.32 | Amadeo | is that why it's so bad? |
| 13:28.47 | Nandini | yeah, it is hard to get used to |
| 13:28.59 | Amadeo | especially the cracking :P |
| 13:29.41 | Pkekyo | damnit; I want patchage :< |
| 13:29.42 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 13:29.46 | cncfanatics | its gonna be nasty for linux sound |
| 13:29.52 | cncfanatics | as its not even supported in the first place |
| 13:29.55 | Nandini | i think the patch that people have downloaded contains the final models, textures, and maps for ZA, as well as the sound system as it currently stands |
| 13:30.23 | cncfanatics | ZA ? |
| 13:30.28 | Nandini | zul'aman |
| 13:30.41 | abbat_w | hmmm |
| 13:30.45 | abbat_w | za in 2.3, not? |
| 13:30.48 | cncfanatics | ZA is not in 2.2 |
| 13:30.55 | cncfanatics | 2.2 is the first content patch without actualy any content |
| 13:31.03 | abbat_w | =) |
| 13:31.07 | Nandini | i think the patch has the models and maps in it though already |
| 13:31.18 | Pkekyo | Zul'Aman will be 10man, correct? what gear level? |
| 13:31.32 | abbat_w | Drop better then in Karazhan |
| 13:31.35 | Nandini | ZA is supposed to be harder than kara, but faster than kara |
| 13:31.37 | phyber | Karazhan + 1 |
| 13:31.41 | Arrowmaster | theres models and maps for it already in 2.1 |
| 13:31.45 | abbat_w | yeah |
| 13:31.52 | abbat_w | casual Karazhan ;) |
| 13:31.57 | Pkekyo | so it'll be Kara --> Zul --> Gruul --> Mag? |
| 13:32.04 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 13:32.11 | abbat_w | yeah, i look into data files and found zul'aman models |
| 13:32.17 | Arrowmaster | ZA is going to have better gear than SSC/TK ive heard |
| 13:32.18 | Nandini | the maps are there and terrain models, but i haven't seen any NPC models for ZA mobs in the 2.1 patch |
| 13:32.52 | Pkekyo | Arrowmaster: better gear than SSC/TK? = fuckall harder and not for casual guilds..? |
| 13:33.08 | abbat_w | ZA for casuals |
| 13:33.45 | Arrowmaster | just because it has gear better than SSC/TK doesnt mean it actually has gear for every class/playstyle for every slot |
| 13:33.56 | Nandini | ZA is for anyone, it has some specialized drops too, like a set for rogues and some good moonkin gear |
| 13:34.09 | abbat_w | hehe |
| 13:34.12 | abbat_w | like ZG :) |
| 13:34.19 | abbat_w | 3-piece set |
| 13:34.27 | abbat_w | or smtng |
| 13:34.53 | Nandini | however hard it ends up being, i'm sure we can count on all the bosses being nerfed after a few weeks of ppl complaining :) |
| 13:34.54 | Pkekyo | so I shouldn't hope for lots of ace tanking toys? |
| 13:35.24 | abbat_w | ahah ;) |
| 13:35.29 | abbat_w | yep, nerfing is crap |
| 13:35.46 | Arrowmaster | i cant believe im getting ready to head to bed at 9:30am |
| 13:35.47 | Nandini | i would do it just to get the riding bear mount :) |
| 13:35.52 | abbat_w | difference between heroic SL after release and heroic SL today is insane ;) |
| 13:36.06 | cncfanatics | heroic SL at release was actualy fu |
| 13:36.08 | cncfanatics | fun* |
| 13:36.14 | cncfanatics | it barely even feels heroic now .- |
| 13:36.14 | abbat_w | ahah ;) |
| 13:36.20 | abbat_w | trash before second boss ;) |
| 13:36.22 | Pkekyo | Arrowmaster: go to work and do something productive instead |
| 13:36.28 | cncfanatics | hehe, those rocked with me tanking (paladin) |
| 13:36.35 | cncfanatics | with a warrior they must be total hell |
| 13:36.37 | Xinhuan | trash after 1st boss |
| 13:36.37 | abbat_w | 4-5 npc packs with shadow priests |
| 13:36.40 | Xinhuan | took longer |
| 13:36.42 | abbat_w | nice... ;) |
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| 13:37.00 | Pkekyo | cncfanatics: link me your tankadin plx? :> |
| 13:37.18 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 13:37.21 | cncfanatics | i'm not in tank gear atm |
| 13:37.23 | abbat_w | You are paladin and you are tank? :) |
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| 13:37.29 | abbat_w | Pfff.... |
| 13:37.32 | cncfanatics | !c eu khadgar evolve |
| 13:37.37 | cncfanatics | thats offtank gear me thinks |
| 13:37.41 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Evolve, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (0/49/12). 12017 HP; 5883 Mana; 94 mana regen; 13 mp5; 15986 Armour; 83.6 Melee DPS; 5.17% melee crit; 15 spell crit; 317 +spell dmg/heal; 43 holy dmg (360); 254 defense; 14.9% dodge; 12.24% block; 31 resilience;[[ TBR: 1471 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/27evs8 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2sm7vw ]] |
| 13:37.46 | cncfanatics | yea thats offtank gear |
| 13:37.51 | Xinhuan | my guild has a prot pally that is better geared than half the server's guilds MTs lol |
| 13:38.17 | abbat_w | they are good tank? |
| 13:38.20 | Xinhuan | yah |
| 13:38.33 | Yssaril | they can be if they know what they are doing |
| 13:38.38 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, i'm one of the better geared tanks of my server too :p |
| 13:38.41 | abbat_w | But what abilities paladin use for tanking? |
| 13:38.44 | Yssaril | and they make awsome aoe tanks :P |
| 13:38.47 | Xinhuan | righteous fury |
| 13:38.51 | cncfanatics | same as druid, threat through damage |
| 13:38.51 | abbat_w | Are paladins have taunt for example? |
| 13:38.56 | cncfanatics | they do |
| 13:38.56 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 13:38.57 | Xinhuan | they do |
| 13:39.02 | cncfanatics | 3 target taunt with 15 sec cd |
| 13:39.06 | cncfanatics | and 40 yard range too |
| 13:39.07 | cncfanatics | it rocks |
| 13:39.11 | abbat_w | huh |
| 13:39.13 | Xinhuan | they also have avenger shield |
| 13:39.19 | Xinhuan | ranged aggro pulling that hits 3 targets |
| 13:39.24 | abbat_w | Heh |
| 13:39.24 | Pkekyo | I love to have palas tanking multimob pulls for me :> |
| 13:39.24 | Pkekyo | would much rather have a pala step up and pull out a couple of swords myself |
| 13:39.42 | Xinhuan | done morogrim? |
| 13:39.48 | cncfanatics | lovely murlocks |
| 13:39.48 | Xinhuan | one pally can tank all the murlocs |
| 13:39.53 | Pkekyo | too bad my guild only have one pala :P |
| 13:39.57 | abbat_w | hehe ;) |
| 13:39.58 | Xinhuan | same with Solarian |
| 13:40.04 | cncfanatics | never did him |
| 13:40.07 | abbat_w | We have murlocs King in our guild ;) |
| 13:40.11 | abbat_w | Sure it's a paladin ;) |
| 13:40.23 | Xinhuan | he also tanks hunter+pet for fathomlord |
| 13:40.45 | Xinhuan | and alar adds |
| 13:40.54 | Xinhuan | and void reaver |
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| 13:41.21 | Pkekyo | stop talking about high-end raiding...making me jealous :< |
| 13:41.26 | Xinhuan | its actually pretty funny to see a pally regain aggro on void reaver ;p |
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| 13:41.37 | Xinhuan | everyone's like OMG |
| 13:42.23 | Mecdemort | yay first wiki and forum psts |
| 13:42.48 | cncfanatics | Void reaver heh |
| 13:42.59 | cncfanatics | I can hold void reaver for 30% |
| 13:43.06 | cncfanatics | in mitigation gear |
| 13:43.10 | cncfanatics | longer if I put on some spelldmg |
| 13:43.19 | Xinhuan | yeah, we send in the pally first, and after he eats enough knockbacks he usually is unable to get aggro back the remainder of the fight |
| 13:43.28 | Xinhuan | so we were quite surprised once when he did get it back |
| 13:43.35 | cncfanatics | hmmm, I can usualy get it back at least once |
| 13:43.45 | cncfanatics | but, I do chug mana pots on him |
| 13:43.52 | Xinhuan | the warriors eat enough damage to generate heaps of rage you see |
| 13:44.14 | Xinhuan | unlike gruul |
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| 13:45.28 | Pkekyo | "THIS is my shiny thing. And if you try and take it off me I may have to eat you." rofl |
| 13:46.21 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, same for the pally and his mana, to a lesser extent but still |
| 13:46.25 | cncfanatics | and I can actualy offtank gruul just fine |
| 13:46.41 | Xinhuan | bugged gruul's are the worst |
| 13:46.51 | Xinhuan | that's when he stops doing hurtful strikes |
| 13:46.58 | Xinhuan | then after 3 minutes, starts doing it again |
| 13:47.02 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 13:47.03 | cncfanatics | ur dead |
| 13:47.12 | cncfanatics | ur tank has no way to remain second on aggro without the hurtfuls |
| 13:47.24 | Xinhuan | exactly, all the rogues go SPLAT |
| 13:47.28 | Xinhuan | then we wipe to lack of dps |
| 13:47.32 | Xinhuan | damn blizzard |
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| 13:50.06 | cncfanatics | god |
| 13:50.22 | cncfanatics | START_AUTOREPEAT_SPELL never triggers ? |
| 13:50.56 | Xinhuan | also, fathomlord karathress is the gayest luck fight ever, its 99% a wipe if the boss decides to cataclysmic bolt one of the 4 tanks |
| 13:51.06 | Xinhuan | in the first 2 minutes |
| 13:51.45 | Yssaril | have you guys ever had a boss bug where he did't agro but you could still kill him? free loot was kinda sweet |
| 13:52.00 | Xinhuan | nope |
| 13:52.05 | Xinhuan | when did that happen and which boss? |
| 13:52.08 | mort|work | we had 2 maulgars running aroun din our raidgroup... |
| 13:52.21 | Yssaril | was heroic slavepens last boss |
| 13:52.33 | Xinhuan | the only boss that fits that description that is kara-chess :P |
| 13:52.35 | Yssaril | kinda wierd but hey free loot |
| 13:52.44 | Xinhuan | "boss doesn't aggro, you can kill it, free loot" ;p |
| 13:52.52 | Mecdemort | what does fubar use to display it's menus? |
| 13:53.01 | cncfanatics | dewdrop |
| 13:53.01 | Yssaril | dewdrop??? |
| 13:53.05 | mort|work | chess event is fun, just pull some prince trash in the room :P |
| 13:53.13 | Yssaril | lol |
| 13:53.16 | Xinhuan | i don't think you can do that |
| 13:53.16 | sb | Xinhuan: well - shadow bolt on (solo) priest add healer (shaman :o) - is even worse ;p |
| 13:53.19 | Xinhuan | the door is closed |
| 13:53.31 | Xinhuan | before you beat chess |
| 13:53.33 | cncfanatics | someone |
| 13:53.34 | mort|work | you can |
| 13:53.43 | cncfanatics | START_AUTOREPEAT_SPELL, why does it never get triggered ? :/ |
| 13:53.52 | Xinhuan | dunno |
| 13:53.59 | Xinhuan | what exactly is that event anyway? |
| 13:54.13 | cncfanatics | autoattack stop & starting I supose |
| 13:54.18 | cncfanatics | I need the events for that at least |
| 13:54.26 | Xinhuan | does it fire for yourself? |
| 13:54.33 | Mecdemort | is there a way to open a submenu that has already been definied with dewdrop at the curser? |
| 13:54.53 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, its not firing at all |
| 13:55.26 | cncfanatics | ok omg blizz sucks |
| 13:55.37 | cncfanatics | PLAYER_ENTER_COMBAT is triggered when u start autoattacking |
| 13:55.37 | Xinhuan | did you register it correctly? ;p |
| 13:55.39 | cncfanatics | thats so logical |
| 13:55.44 | cncfanatics | blizz sucks with names |
| 13:56.08 | Xinhuan | because the blizzard buttons start blinking when you auto attack, with that same event |
| 13:56.17 | cncfanatics | PLAYER_ENTER_COMBAT yea |
| 13:56.19 | Xinhuan | so check if your button is blinking? |
| 13:56.28 | cncfanatics | but why make a *totaly unused* START_AUTOREPEAT_SPELL event ? |
| 13:56.37 | Xinhuan | it is used by blizzard |
| 13:56.42 | Xinhuan | in ActionButton.lua |
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| 13:56.55 | Xinhuan | the event for it is |
| 13:56.55 | Xinhuan | if ( IsAutoRepeatAction(ActionButton_GetPagedID(this)) ) then |
| 13:56.56 | Xinhuan | ActionButton_StartFlash(); |
| 13:56.56 | Xinhuan | end |
| 13:56.58 | cncfanatics | well it doesnt do anything with autotattack |
| 13:57.11 | cncfanatics | probably for autoshot or something |
| 13:57.17 | Xinhuan | try it with wanding |
| 13:57.21 | cncfanatics | or wanding yea |
| 13:57.22 | Xinhuan | it should be the same |
| 13:57.23 | cncfanatics | but i'm a pala |
| 13:57.38 | kenlyric | is there a mod that can show how long it's been since I logged into a char? |
| 13:57.52 | Xinhuan | you see, the problem with entering auto-attack |
| 13:58.01 | Xinhuan | is that you enter auto-attack the moment you RIGHT-CLICK on a mob |
| 13:58.06 | Xinhuan | even if you're 50 yards away |
| 13:58.14 | Xinhuan | your character enters a "combat stance" |
| 13:58.27 | Xinhuan | and you see a lot of "target is out of range" errors as you try to attack |
| 13:58.35 | cncfanatics | yep, but the button blinks anyway |
| 13:58.36 | Xinhuan | that's blizzard's definition of autoattack |
| 13:58.49 | Xinhuan | the button blinks because it received START_AUTOREPEAT_SPELL i believe |
| 13:58.57 | Xinhuan | even though you never entered combat |
| 13:59.11 | cncfanatics | no it doesnt, the button blinks because it received PLAYER_ENTER_COMBAT |
| 13:59.18 | cncfanatics | I just checked |
| 13:59.38 | Xinhuan | :o |
| 13:59.44 | Xinhuan | ok i have no explanations then |
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| 14:00.55 | Xinhuan | probably only fires for wands or something |
| 14:01.00 | Xinhuan | you might want to check |
| 14:01.28 | Xinhuan | since wands is a "spell" |
| 14:01.32 | Hjalte | Was anyone else just disconnected from an eu server? in my case dunemaul, and having problems logging back in? |
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| 14:01.47 | Xinhuan | and i guess melee auto-attacking isn't a "spell" |
| 14:01.47 | cncfanatics | wth ? just got disconnected and cant reconnect |
| 14:01.57 | cncfanatics | Hjalte, me, khadgar realm |
| 14:02.09 | jme | i just logged on my realm before i came to work |
| 14:02.17 | jme | US side.. no disconnects there |
| 14:02.26 | cncfanatics | EU here |
| 14:02.35 | Hjalte | It seems Kazzak, my other server, is still online |
| 14:02.36 | cncfanatics | Hjalte, fixed |
| 14:02.42 | cncfanatics | khadgar just got back on |
| 14:02.51 | jme | he did? :O |
| 14:02.58 | cncfanatics | unno for urs but i'd guess the same |
| 14:02.59 | cncfanatics | jme, die |
| 14:03.04 | jme | cncfanatics: haha |
| 14:03.05 | CIA-14 | 03mikma * r47112 10OnScreenHealth/: OnScreenHealth: There we go, I fixed externals for you |
| 14:04.14 | jme | vithos: around? |
| 14:04.25 | vithos | yep |
| 14:04.36 | jme | vithos: you think the stalker's war bands are worth it over the veteran's bracers? |
| 14:04.52 | jme | vithos: i think there's only like a 22 AP and 7 int difference or something |
| 14:04.55 | jme | and the stam obviously |
| 14:05.39 | vithos | hrm, let me look |
| 14:05.58 | jme | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28454 vs http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32809 |
| 14:06.18 | cncfanatics | grrrr |
| 14:06.26 | cncfanatics | how can I check if i'm currently autoattacking ? |
| 14:06.48 | cncfanatics | IsAutoRepeatSpell("Attack"); returns nil |
| 14:07.28 | jme | hrm.. the pve ones are +26 AP, +1 agi, -11 stam, +7 int, no yellow socket |
| 14:07.44 | Mecdemort | wow i must be too tired cuz nothin makes sense anymore |
| 14:08.35 | Mikk | bloodhoof eu kaboomed too now |
| 14:08.37 | jme | vithos: got my t4 helm last night, my first prince kill, dead the third time :O |
| 14:09.06 | vithos | stalker's war bands are a very slight dps downgrade |
| 14:09.30 | vithos | in at least one gear configuration anyway |
| 14:10.06 | vithos | int is pretty worthless in my opinion, especially with the upcoming buff to viper |
| 14:10.20 | jme | true |
| 14:10.24 | Pkekyo | anyone mention some good tanking cloaks (warrior) I can get? have all 5mans and kara available...current cloak:Ironscale War Cloak |
| 14:10.30 | jme | but for some reason i ran out of mana during nightbane |
| 14:10.32 | vithos | do you already have the pvp ones, or already have the attumen ones? |
| 14:10.38 | jme | i already have the pvp ones |
| 14:10.50 | jme | killed attumen a billion times and they haven't dropped for me yet |
| 14:11.20 | jme | vithos: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32809 |
| 14:11.52 | vithos | when i was doing kara, i got some mp5 enchants and used mana oils/mp5 elixirs |
| 14:11.53 | Yssaril | anyone else not able to log into the game? |
| 14:12.03 | vithos | and chain chugged mana pots |
| 14:12.18 | jme | heh |
| 14:12.35 | Pkekyo | I am very able to log into the game :> |
| 14:12.44 | Yssaril | cry |
| 14:12.57 | vithos | Yssaril: a friend was just complaining on vent that he couldn't, realm moonrunner |
| 14:13.13 | Yssaril | hmm Kirin Tor suck at authenticating |
| 14:13.19 | cncfanatics | Yssaril, if ur EU, they seem to have probs |
| 14:13.24 | Yssaril | had a bunch of lag dc issues last night though |
| 14:13.30 | Yssaril | nope US |
| 14:13.42 | vithos | jme: you say you ran out of mana on nightbane, are you getting the skeletins down before he lands? |
| 14:13.51 | Pkekyo | <--- EU with no problems |
| 14:14.00 | sb | Pkekyo: illhoof cloak |
| 14:14.13 | jme | vithos: maybe one or two left tops :( |
| 14:14.18 | jme | we only had 4 dps, two hunters |
| 14:14.25 | sb | Pkekyo: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28660 |
| 14:14.31 | jme | so range was an issue there i think |
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| 14:14.42 | vithos | are you using viper the entire time/using mana pots/what consumables? |
| 14:14.49 | jme | viper, pot when i ran out |
| 14:14.55 | jme | on prince i just feigned death and drank when i had to |
| 14:14.58 | vithos | i was going to suggest just FD/drink while waiting for him to land if you're not on MD duty |
| 14:15.08 | jme | i couldn't get out of combat on nightbane for some reason |
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| 14:15.43 | vithos | perhaps your pet was still attacking something? |
| 14:15.51 | jme | nah, i recalled it |
| 14:15.58 | jme | tried it several times even :( |
| 14:16.13 | vithos | weird, i don't remember having that problem on that encounter |
| 14:16.21 | Xinhuan | did yu have a shadow priest in party? |
| 14:16.23 | jme | so i traded with a mage for a few pots mid fight.. i love doing that :o |
| 14:16.25 | Pkekyo | sb: meknows, but my feralol OT is drooling all over it :p |
| 14:16.37 | jme | Xinhuan: i don't remember if he was in mine or the shaman was |
| 14:16.56 | vithos | you could try to get a paladin to judge wisdom, heh |
| 14:16.58 | Xinhuan | not sure if VE heals keeps you in combat |
| 14:17.39 | jme | vithos: yeah, with wisdom and viper, i was running out |
| 14:17.46 | jme | it was freakin weird, i've never had the problem before |
| 14:17.59 | vithos | judgement of wisdom on the mob, or blessing of wisdom on yourself? |
| 14:18.07 | jme | bow on me |
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| 14:18.11 | CIA-14 | - macros now have an icon |
| 14:20.11 | vithos | are you watching for your mana deficit to hit -3000 and using a pot then, or using one when you get to almost 0? |
| 14:20.48 | jme | vithos: i was acting like a nub and waited until i ran out, traded with a mage for a few pots mid fight, chugged one and kept going |
| 14:21.20 | jme | then the next time he flew up i got nailed with 4 or 5 fireballs in a row and died, hah |
| 14:21.42 | cncfanatics | is the svn slow again ? |
| 14:21.44 | jme | so they finished him off with 4 healers and 3 dps |
| 14:21.45 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47114 10FlexBar2/ (9 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:21.45 | CIA-14 | FlexBar2 |
| 14:21.45 | CIA-14 | Core.lua: |
| 14:21.45 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.45 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.46 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.48 | CIA-14 | ItemCache.lua: |
| 14:21.49 | cncfanatics | ah there |
| 14:22.03 | vithos | i think that's an exploit prevention measure. you can't get too far away or he starts fireballing the raid |
| 14:22.21 | cncfanatics | indeed it is |
| 14:22.25 | jme | yeah, that sucks, i was just getting ranged for the skeletons |
| 14:23.15 | jme | it was a cool fight though, my first time fighting him |
| 14:23.16 | Xinhuan | i just 8-manned nightbane last week, cos 2 ppl disconnected right at the start |
| 14:23.20 | vithos | you could also FD drink at the beginning of phase2, after dropping your frost trap while waiting for the AoE tank to generate some threat |
| 14:23.29 | Xinhuan | was pretty gay |
| 14:23.34 | jme | true |
| 14:23.37 | Xinhuan | because the last 25% took like 5 minutes |
| 14:23.48 | jme | Xinhuan: ouch |
| 14:24.23 | Borked|Raider | are the function to move to people around in a raid protected? |
| 14:24.32 | vithos | yes |
| 14:24.32 | cncfanatics | no |
| 14:24.33 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 14:24.36 | Borked|Raider | :P |
| 14:24.36 | cncfanatics | hmmm they are ? :!o |
| 14:24.42 | jme | owned |
| 14:24.42 | Xinhuan | well not exactly |
| 14:24.58 | Borked|Raider | well can i in combat make a script that change raid1 with raid2 ect? |
| 14:25.02 | vithos | well, that's what i've heard anyway. that it can't be automated anymore |
| 14:25.32 | Xinhuan | you can't automate it |
| 14:25.41 | Xinhuan | i think |
| 14:25.51 | Borked|Raider | will i be able to do it if i have secure frames for raid frames to make so click one guy and then a nother to chagne em around then? or thats not posible ? |
| 14:25.59 | Xinhuan | not sure |
| 14:26.04 | Borked|Raider | guess i will just try |
| 14:26.18 | Xinhuan | just check the wow API on wowwiki first |
| 14:26.20 | Borked|Raider | would be nice to add so just mouse5 click one guy and another and then they change |
| 14:26.21 | Xinhuan | to see if its protected |
| 14:26.23 | Borked|Raider | ye doing it |
| 14:26.27 | jme | vithos: my gf got the sunfury off her raid's first prince kill last night :( |
| 14:26.41 | vithos | haha, that thing didn't drop for me for months |
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| 14:27.04 | jme | yeah, i've only killed him once, i think our raid has only seen it drop twice |
| 14:27.17 | Xinhuan | my guild hasn't seen wizard of oz event for like 5 months in a row |
| 14:27.22 | Xinhuan | not sure why lol! |
| 14:27.39 | jme | Xinhuan: i've only seen oz once in the last 3 months i've been in kara |
| 14:27.47 | jme | no legacy |
| 14:27.50 | Xinhuan | another guild tells me they see it |
| 14:27.53 | Xinhuan | 9 out of 10 times |
| 14:28.01 | jme | yeah, same |
| 14:28.08 | Xinhuan | our hunters are QQing about legacy |
| 14:28.18 | jme | lol, i am QQing about it |
| 14:28.33 | vithos | i QQ'd when they buffed it, since i had already de'd it before |
| 14:28.39 | Cheads | we only had big bad wolf twice ever |
| 14:28.40 | jme | lol |
| 14:28.49 | Borked|Raider | ./script SwapRaidSubgroup(1, 2); works out of combat |
| 14:29.14 | Xinhuan | try in combat - i suspect scripts can't do it automatically from unsecure code |
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| 14:30.26 | Borked|Raider | it dont work in combat |
| 14:30.57 | Borked|Raider | gotta try hook it to a click on a secure frame then, tho it dont seem protected |
| 14:31.43 | Xinhuan | i don't think that would work - although i'm not sure |
| 14:31.49 | Xinhuan | its still unsecure code |
| 14:32.44 | JoshBorke | you can't hook to do secure stuff |
| 14:32.47 | Xinhuan | i would have thought anyone would have written some addon that can swap groups by now if it can be done ;p |
| 14:33.06 | Xinhuan | just press O and drag imo |
| 14:33.40 | vithos | has anybody ever had a boss corpse instantly despawn? i'm curious how the GM's handle the loot (gorefiend got killed by a ghost on our first kill last night and went poof) |
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| 14:34.18 | Xinhuan | interesting - MAIL_CLOSED fires twice if you close the mailbox while still standing next to it |
| 14:34.29 | Xinhuan | MAIL_CLOSED only fires once if you walk away with the mail open |
| 14:34.39 | Athou_ | hey i'm using http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetPetActionInfo and the 3rd arg is "PET_WAIT_TEXTURE", how may I retreive the actual texture path from that ? |
| 14:35.02 | Xinhuan | it should already be the full texture path if its a texture? |
| 14:36.02 | Athou_ | well tabletlib is showing a yellow checked arrow instead of the texture |
| 14:36.20 | Xinhuan | whats the value? |
| 14:37.14 | Athou_ | 'checkIcon',select(3,GetPetActionInfo(id)) |
| 14:38.37 | Xinhuan | local name, subtext, texture, isToken, isActive, autoCastAllowed, autoCastEnabled = GetPetActionInfo(i); |
| 14:38.47 | Xinhuan | i believe you need to check the value of isToken |
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| 14:39.01 | Xinhuan | if isToken is true, you need to getglobal(texture) |
| 14:39.05 | Xinhuan | and that will be the texture path |
| 14:39.15 | Athou_ | ah getglobal, ok thanks :) |
| 14:39.26 | Xinhuan | i.e if (isToken) then :SetTexture(getglobal(texture)); else :SetTexture(texture); |
| 14:39.29 | Xinhuan | end |
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| 14:42.54 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 14:42.54 | CIA-14 | - pet actions now have an icon |
| 14:43.38 | Pkekyo | how can I find out what wlan standards my laptop supports? |
| 14:43.57 | Xinhuan | i assume that worked |
| 14:43.58 | JoshBorke | lookup the adapter/laptop |
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| 14:45.02 | Pkekyo | JoshBorke: I dunno what model the laptop is :< |
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| 14:45.22 | Pkekyo | any way I can find out in windows or something? |
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| 14:46.41 | Xinhuan | i dunno, but you can try google :) |
| 14:46.49 | Athou_ | yes Xinhuan thank you :) |
| 14:46.54 | Amadeo | What do people use for damage meters? I don't need to save anything special, just fun to look at when I do instances and stuff |
| 14:47.06 | Xinhuan | Recount or SWStats |
| 14:47.19 | Amadeo | do they both do healing also? |
| 14:47.23 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 14:47.26 | Amadeo | cool |
| 14:47.27 | Pkekyo | Amadeo: Violation |
| 14:47.27 | Xinhuan | they give different numbers - but nobody really knows why |
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| 14:47.36 | Amadeo | hm |
| 14:47.36 | Xinhuan | yeah Violation is another one, so is Recap |
| 14:47.46 | Amadeo | which is the most accurate? |
| 14:47.54 | Xinhuan | i just told you - they give different numbers |
| 14:47.56 | Xinhuan | and nobody knows why |
| 14:48.01 | Amadeo | That doesn't tell me which is more accurate |
| 14:48.03 | Xinhuan | so you dont' know which is accurate |
| 14:48.05 | Amadeo | lol |
| 14:48.19 | Amadeo | that's not good |
| 14:48.39 | Xinhuan | if X meter reports 250233 damage, and Y meter reports 250123 damage how the heck would i know which is more accurate? |
| 14:49.04 | Amadeo | so the difference is that minimal? |
| 14:49.08 | Xinhuan | fairly minimal |
| 14:49.11 | EvilGrin|Work | Amadeo. until blizzard fix the combat log, you'll just have to pick one. |
| 14:49.19 | Xinhuan | Violation pulls data from all the other meters |
| 14:49.22 | Xinhuan | i think |
| 14:49.26 | Xinhuan | the other 3 doesn't? |
| 14:49.53 | Amadeo | EvilGrin|Work: Oh, so never ;) |
| 14:50.06 | EvilGrin|Work | Amadeo, Patch 2.3 I believe |
| 14:50.07 | Borked|Raider | naa dont seem like its posible to make some alternative window for moving peopel around in raid |
| 14:50.29 | Xinhuan | most people use SWStats in my guild, so I use that - a 25 man raid in my guild would easily have 19 ppl using it |
| 14:50.35 | Xinhuan | so after syncing its "more or less accurate" |
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| 14:50.55 | Xinhuan | you should pick the one that most of your guild members use |
| 14:50.58 | Xinhuan | in order to get the best results |
| 14:51.06 | Xinhuan | since damage meters still rely on syncing |
| 14:51.07 | Borked|Raider | sucks that the blizzard raid frame opend by pressing O is just black for our raidleader .P |
| 14:51.23 | Amadeo | oh they do? well I won't use one then, I'm not raiding or anything, was just gonna use for fun |
| 14:51.23 | Xinhuan | your raid leader can also uninstall his addons that is causing that ;p |
| 14:51.34 | Borked|Raider | :P well he dont ues any addon :P |
| 14:51.35 | Xinhuan | you can still use one Amadeo |
| 14:51.49 | Borked|Raider | but its not a proble tho, normaly me who move people around |
| 14:51.54 | Xinhuan | if nobody else in your party/raid uses one, all you have is the data recorded from your own combat log |
| 14:51.54 | EvilGrin|Work | Xinhuan. Most people are most interested in the relative percentages rather than the raw numbers anyway. So the inaccuracies don't mean much in the long run. |
| 14:52.27 | Amadeo | So which would be the lightest weight for personal use only? :) |
| 14:52.35 | Xinhuan | but with more people using, they share data, so if person X records that A has done 200000 damage, and person Y records that B has done 205000 damage, your meter would take the larger value |
| 14:52.43 | Pkekyo | if my laptop is running IEEE 802.1x, it will not be able to run on a IEEE 802.3+? |
| 14:52.44 | Xinhuan | and it can happen due to combat log range |
| 14:52.50 | Xinhuan | by B i mean A ;p |
| 14:54.20 | Xinhuan | but both X and Y can still be inaccurate if they overlap some recording and not record others, only if A reports himself, would that be accurate |
| 14:54.31 | Xinhuan | also most damage meters dont' record healing done when done out of combat |
| 14:54.38 | Xinhuan | so the healing numbers vary slightly |
| 14:54.42 | Xinhuan | from player to player |
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| 14:55.20 | Amadeo | eh, I'm not gonna bother |
| 14:55.22 | Amadeo | maybe after 2.3 |
| 14:55.32 | Xinhuan | 2.3 won't make it any better tbh |
| 14:55.41 | Amadeo | then I'll never bother :) |
| 14:55.43 | Xinhuan | because this is really due to the range of the combat log |
| 14:55.54 | Xinhuan | you can't record something that is larger than a certain yards away |
| 14:56.00 | Amadeo | seems worthless to me with all the restrictions |
| 14:56.01 | mort|work | 200 |
| 14:56.41 | Xinhuan | its accurate enough in most situations |
| 14:56.53 | Xinhuan | in a 5-man, your party would almost never be out of range |
| 14:56.54 | Xinhuan | for eg |
| 14:57.13 | Amadeo | yeah, but if it stops recording out of combat and stuff |
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| 14:57.30 | Xinhuan | well it isn't really fair if a healer spams heals himself out of combat huh? |
| 14:57.33 | Xinhuan | to get on top |
| 14:57.41 | Xinhuan | or if he heals someone that just got ressed |
| 14:57.45 | Xinhuan | to get that extra 10k healing |
| 14:57.55 | Xinhuan | that's why healing done ooc isn't counted |
| 14:58.06 | Amadeo | it counts heals that give no healing? |
| 14:58.19 | Xinhuan | heals are split into "effective heal" and "overheal" |
| 14:58.25 | Xinhuan | you can add these 2 to get "total heal" |
| 14:58.27 | Borked|Raider | why cant i find the code in blizzards code of how they move people around in thier raid roster frame? |
| 14:58.44 | Xinhuan | meaning - most people only care about effective heal |
| 14:59.09 | Xinhuan | and that is what is reported usually |
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| 14:59.18 | CIA-14 | - items now have an icon |
| 14:59.27 | Xinhuan | but the combat log doesn't show how much healing is effective or overheal |
| 14:59.32 | Xinhuan | if you heal for 5000, itjust says that |
| 14:59.39 | Xinhuan | it doesn't say 3000 is effective, and 2000 is overheal |
| 14:59.47 | Xinhuan | the damage meter addon has to figure that out itself |
| 14:59.55 | Amadeo | I see |
| 15:00.03 | Xinhuan | based on the target's health |
| 15:00.29 | Caiman | any cartographer devs around ? |
| 15:00.55 | Xinhuan | it gets more and more complicated |
| 15:00.55 | Caiman | i'm getting a nasty bug each time i zone into a dungeon |
| 15:01.06 | Xinhuan | for example: Prayer of Mending and Earthshield heals |
| 15:01.17 | Xinhuan | doesn't count towards the healer |
| 15:01.29 | Xinhuan | it counts towards the person with the buff itself |
| 15:01.51 | Xinhuan | so if you put earthshield on your tank, and he heals because of it, it is counted as the tank's heal |
| 15:01.56 | Xinhuan | because the combat log says he heals himself |
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| 15:02.04 | CIA-14 | - tooltip tuning |
| 15:02.15 | Amadeo | haha |
| 15:02.21 | Xinhuan | so you have to take that into account as well - at the end of it - damage meters is just a tool |
| 15:02.26 | Xinhuan | to measure relative performance |
| 15:02.32 | Xinhuan | of the members of the party/raid |
| 15:02.42 | Xinhuan | to see if anyone is slacking |
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| 15:02.57 | Amadeo | I thought it was so guild leaders could kick people! |
| 15:03.17 | Xinhuan | some fights favour certain classes |
| 15:03.26 | Xinhuan | anything with AoE will favour mages/locks |
| 15:03.40 | Xinhuan | vashj fight favours warlocks because they just DOT THE WORLD |
| 15:03.47 | Xinhuan | with the 10000 adds running around |
| 15:04.29 | [Ammo] | if you have lots of adds you're doing it wrong |
| 15:04.31 | Xinhuan | but if a lock does half the damage of another one, then its a good reason to try to find out why |
| 15:04.41 | Xinhuan | well not that many ammo ;p |
| 15:04.45 | Xinhuan | but you get the point hehe |
| 15:05.58 | Keya | I have just recently discovered the joy of Wow Web Stats, and heck our raid is going to profit - even though we very cautios with critizism |
| 15:06.22 | Xinhuan | imo WWS is more a "epeen" thing that anything else |
| 15:07.12 | Xinhuan | whoa XYZ guild can do 20000 raid dps! ABC only does 17000 dps! |
| 15:07.29 | Grum | not realaly |
| 15:07.32 | Keya | Xinhuan: quite the contrary, I think standard DamageMeters etc are crap, but WWS is the world if you take some time |
| 15:07.33 | Silviu- | Xinhuan usually at Vashj i have to kite the stider or just dmg him |
| 15:07.42 | Grum | its a great analithic tool as well |
| 15:07.54 | Silviu- | On others i don`t really care maybe a dot or 2 on small ones but that is all :) |
| 15:08.01 | Xinhuan | sadly, most people i've seen don't use it analytically |
| 15:08.07 | Grum | i only do that |
| 15:08.12 | kebinusan | Its a very good tool actually, I use it alot |
| 15:08.21 | Keya | Xinhuan: our raid leaders would never have noticed that none of our hunters ever use Scorpid Sting, which is like omfg /gkick you **** huntards |
| 15:08.27 | Grum | nice to see raid-dps go up with 15% on a Hydross kill etc |
| 15:08.36 | Xinhuan | actually any of the damage meter addons would have shown that as well |
| 15:08.38 | Keya | you just have to take your time with the analysis |
| 15:08.49 | Xinhuan | if they bothered to look what skill each raid member looked |
| 15:08.51 | Xinhuan | used* |
| 15:08.55 | Xinhuan | its all recorded |
| 15:08.59 | Grum | Xinhuan: problem is that data is volatile - WWS is not |
| 15:09.14 | kebinusan | It really helped us on leotheras, it was useful to point out to people that the tanks were doing more damage |
| 15:09.47 | Grum | 'tanks were doing more dmg' ? :) |
| 15:10.00 | kebinusan | yeah, for example Im the warlock tank on the demon phase |
| 15:10.16 | Keya | btw we don't publish our WWS to our raid members, we analyze it in private and try to find out whats going wrong |
| 15:10.18 | kebinusan | I dont dps at all during the human phase and outdps'd two of our hunters on that fight |
| 15:10.18 | Xinhuan | using SWStats, we analysed that one of our healers wanted to get on top of the healing meters - so he would PURPOSELY stand in the middle of the room to always eat whirlwind (by leotheras) and use that as an excuse to "need to be there to heal everyone" |
| 15:10.28 | Xinhuan | because he took the 3rd most damage |
| 15:10.35 | Xinhuan | and 36% of his heals were on himself |
| 15:10.37 | kebinusan | after it was pointed out to them, it turned out they were worried about aggro issues and picked up the pew pew |
| 15:10.56 | Grum | bah has any guild have problems with the shaman @ Karathress |
| 15:11.07 | Xinhuan | what problem grum? |
| 15:11.13 | kebinusan | but its nice to breakdown by class, you can compare abilities amoungst a class very easily see what percentage of damage people are doing |
| 15:11.14 | Grum | it totally ripped open our tank on try 2-6 |
| 15:11.21 | kebinusan | Grum, grounding totems? |
| 15:11.28 | Xinhuan | do you kill him first? |
| 15:11.32 | Xinhuan | my guild kills the shaman first |
| 15:11.39 | Grum | yes we tried |
| 15:11.46 | Grum | problem is it just did 18k dmg on our tank |
| 15:11.48 | Grum | in 2s |
| 15:11.50 | kebinusan | We kill the shaman first, but the tank on the shaman takes a ton of damage. Its really important to keep a grounding totem down |
| 15:11.57 | kebinusan | and have the tank chug ironshields |
| 15:12.13 | Grum | tank didn't even get a frostshock |
| 15:12.15 | Xinhuan | Grum: that's probably because the boss (karathress) decided to randomly Cataclysmic bolt your shaman tank |
| 15:12.25 | kebinusan | just like on vashj, its stupid you get like 14k burst from attacks |
| 15:12.25 | Xinhuan | deals 50% damage |
| 15:12.44 | kebinusan | yeah true, if your positioning is wrong or slow getting karathress away from the raid that can be an issue |
| 15:12.47 | Xinhuan | which is usually 8k or so |
| 15:12.52 | Grum | no it was a clean 4,4,4,4k in 2s |
| 15:13.02 | Grum | 3x in 1s and 1 1second later |
| 15:13.11 | Grum | totally BS imho :) |
| 15:13.11 | Xinhuan | possibly the shaman parried your tank |
| 15:13.13 | vithos | parry? |
| 15:13.17 | Xinhuan | and got back in a counter attak |
| 15:13.22 | Xinhuan | combat log will show that easily |
| 15:13.23 | Grum | and windfury proc |
| 15:13.26 | kebinusan | parry from the rogues too is possible |
| 15:13.32 | vithos | or hunter pets |
| 15:13.34 | kebinusan | make sure they arent in front of the shaman |
| 15:13.40 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 15:13.42 | Grum | hmmmm good point |
| 15:13.44 | Xinhuan | its more positioning there |
| 15:13.50 | Grum | hunterpets *always* get front |
| 15:13.51 | kebinusan | you can see all that on wws pretty easily too |
| 15:13.56 | Grum | how? |
| 15:13.59 | Silowyi | so |
| 15:14.06 | kebinusan | theres a death link you can click on |
| 15:14.06 | Silowyi | rolling restarts huh? |
| 15:14.06 | Xinhuan | you can see the stats on parried attacks |
| 15:14.11 | Xinhuan | i think |
| 15:14.12 | Silowyi | why are half the servers still down then |
| 15:14.23 | Grum | http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=injspog15fk3k <-- please show! |
| 15:14.36 | Grum | the first try was like ... imba |
| 15:14.46 | Grum | we killed the first 2.5 adds without any problems |
| 15:14.48 | Grum | then the healers sucked |
| 15:14.54 | kebinusan | who was your tank |
| 15:14.58 | Xinhuan | if you can kill all the adds, its a win |
| 15:15.03 | Xinhuan | the remainder of the fight is just easy |
| 15:15.05 | Grum | Yoshette was on the Shaman |
| 15:15.15 | kebinusan | click on his name |
| 15:15.22 | kebinusan | then see the line that starts 8 Death |
| 15:15.31 | kebinusan | click on any one of those, and it brings up the combat log for that segment |
| 15:15.36 | Grum | aaah sweet :) |
| 15:15.39 | kebinusan | you can go backwards and forwards by minutes |
| 15:15.41 | Grum | we had our best hydross kill there |
| 15:15.48 | Grum | 1 extra tank makes soo much dff on the frost side |
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| 15:15.58 | Grum | all went aoe perfectly :P |
| 15:16.26 | JoshBorke | ~armory |
| 15:16.33 | JoshBorke | ~armorytools |
| 15:16.38 | JoshBorke | ~lart Antiarc |
| 15:16.38 | purl | shoots Antiarc in his sleep |
| 15:16.50 | Grum | kebinusan: damn nice |
| 15:17.00 | Grum | i see in the first 'mistake' he did die from frostshock |
| 15:17.00 | kebinusan | http://armory.mmo-champion.com JB |
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| 15:17.13 | Grum | frostshock you can only counter by a shaman IN the group right? |
| 15:17.17 | JoshBorke | kebinusan: it's broken |
| 15:17.17 | kebinusan | yeah |
| 15:17.31 | kebinusan | the shaman in the group needs to keep the grounding totem down, like #1 priority |
| 15:17.49 | Xinhuan | wws is good - but don't discount damage meter addons, and combat logging addons that can show you the data of the last attempt immediately onscreen - to analyse what went wrong for the next attempt |
| 15:18.08 | Grum | kebinusan: k shaman and 2-3 healers |
| 15:18.29 | mort|work | i couldn't live without recount |
| 15:18.41 | kebinusan | Yeah recount is very nice indeed |
| 15:18.43 | Grum | you also need a mage (counterspell), lock (CoT) on the priest right? |
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| 15:18.53 | kebinusan | the death watch in recount and cc breaker are very useful for me |
| 15:18.55 | Xinhuan | [SERVER]: This realm is being restarted shortly to address gameplay issues. Thank you for your patience and understanding. |
| 15:18.58 | Xinhuan | !GAY |
| 15:19.00 | Grum | and an offtank near the hunter for the pet |
| 15:19.08 | Xinhuan | nope grum |
| 15:19.09 | jme | Xinhuan: haha |
| 15:19.09 | mort|work | really nice to optimize your dps cycle |
| 15:19.14 | Grum | Xinhuan: no? :/ |
| 15:19.21 | Xinhuan | my guild uses a single rogue on the healer |
| 15:19.24 | Xinhuan | with mind numbing |
| 15:19.26 | Xinhuan | that's it |
| 15:19.33 | Grum | what about the 3s freeze? |
| 15:19.35 | kebinusan | Grum, We just have a warrior and rogue on the priest and tell them to wear pvp trinkets and save their global cooldown once the shaman is below 50% |
| 15:19.39 | Xinhuan | we ignore it |
| 15:19.47 | kebinusan | if a heal goes off, thats what ms/wound poison is for |
| 15:19.48 | Xinhuan | even if he gets 1 or 2 heals off, it usually doesn't matter |
| 15:19.55 | Xinhuan | we still kill whatever fast |
| 15:19.59 | Grum | why 50%? |
| 15:20.07 | cryogen | Extending the logging range is not very CPU or Network intensive, so don't hesitate |
| 15:20.08 | kebinusan | the priest wont heal until a mob is below 50% |
| 15:20.08 | Xinhuan | because tha current target we are attacking will have Mortal strike or |
| 15:20.10 | cryogen | is that true? |
| 15:20.18 | Xinhuan | or rogue wounding poison |
| 15:20.19 | Xinhuan | on it |
| 15:20.23 | Xinhuan | 60% kebin |
| 15:20.32 | Grum | how much will wounding poison reduce the heal? |
| 15:20.34 | Xinhuan | half |
| 15:20.36 | kebinusan | ah, close enough :-) |
| 15:20.37 | Xinhuan | like MS |
| 15:20.51 | Xinhuan | its really not a big deal |
| 15:20.54 | Grum | ok, so 'mindnumbing+wounding poison' ? |
| 15:21.09 | Grum | on 1 rogue, 1 warrior and 1 healer near priest |
| 15:21.12 | Xinhuan | mindnumbing is for the rogue on the healer |
| 15:21.19 | Xinhuan | wounding is for the others |
| 15:21.23 | Xinhuan | on whatever we're attacking |
| 15:21.23 | Grum | aah k |
| 15:21.33 | Grum | ok so basicly 1 rogue on the shaman and 1 later on the hunter |
| 15:21.38 | Xinhuan | my guilduses a prot pally to tank both the hunter and the hunter add |
| 15:21.43 | Xinhuan | so we don't need an extra tank |
| 15:21.45 | Grum | at the same time? |
| 15:21.47 | Xinhuan | since he tanks both |
| 15:21.52 | Xinhuan | yeah, at the same time |
| 15:21.55 | Grum | ok, what about using a druid for the shaman? |
| 15:22.03 | Xinhuan | we use a druid on karathress |
| 15:22.04 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 15:22.07 | Grum | we've got a good one :) |
| 15:22.09 | Grum | really? hehe |
| 15:22.16 | kebinusan | we have a feral druid tank the hunter and a warrior on the shaman/karathress |
| 15:22.16 | jme | for a sec i thought you were talking about HKM |
| 15:22.19 | Xinhuan | should use a warrior on the shaman because of his burst damage |
| 15:22.39 | Xinhuan | also a warrior on the healer because pummel |
| 15:22.40 | kebinusan | its just nice because our prot warrior on karathress just intervenes his healer when it comes time to move away from the spitfire totem |
| 15:22.45 | Grum | Xinhuan: yeah |
| 15:22.50 | jme | speaking of which |
| 15:22.58 | Grum | kebinusan: ooh good idea |
| 15:23.02 | Grum | damn i need to write this all down :D |
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| 15:23.03 | jme | for a hunter range tanking the shaman on HKM, is the nature resist buff worth it? |
| 15:23.24 | Xinhuan | doesn't hurt to use it jme |
| 15:23.31 | Grum | not really needed jme |
| 15:23.32 | Xinhuan | but a shaman totem is sufficient |
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| 15:23.37 | Grum | depends on the amount of healers :) |
| 15:23.46 | Grum | ok again about the 'parry' mechanics on the shaman |
| 15:23.52 | Grum | shamans have an ability to 'counter' ? |
| 15:23.56 | Xinhuan | no |
| 15:23.59 | Xinhuan | its a game mechanic |
| 15:24.01 | Xinhuan | on all mobs |
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| 15:24.08 | jme | we had one holy paladin healing two hunters range tanking the shaman |
| 15:24.25 | Grum | Xinhuan: and the 'extra' hit will be on the tank right? |
| 15:24.27 | jme | it worked fine |
| 15:24.28 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 15:24.54 | kebinusan | Karathress is really all about getting the first add down, after that the fight just becomes easier and easier |
| 15:24.59 | Grum | yeah |
| 15:25.01 | vithos | Grum: is it try #2 that you were concerned about? |
| 15:25.06 | Grum | 2-6 :\ |
| 15:25.11 | Grum | try 1 was excellent |
| 15:25.15 | Grum | we nailed them without any problems |
| 15:25.19 | vithos | 22:16'36.093 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess gains 2 extra attacks through Windfury |
| 15:25.25 | Grum | then we tried again .. and it insta-crushed the tank |
| 15:25.26 | Grum | yeah |
| 15:25.34 | Grum | not much you can do about that |
| 15:25.41 | Grum | so that is just 'healing' |
| 15:26.03 | Grum | we'll prolly have a druid tank both the hunter and the pet |
| 15:26.06 | Xinhuan | kill the shaman first, and kill him fast |
| 15:26.10 | Grum | yeah |
| 15:26.14 | Grum | shaman -> hunter -> priest |
| 15:26.14 | kebinusan | we just tell our healers on the shaman to not worry about overhealing |
| 15:26.17 | Xinhuan | shaman > hunter > pet > priest |
| 15:26.23 | Grum | true pet as well |
| 15:26.42 | Xinhuan | when the shaman dies, the tank on the shaman should go to karathress and generate aggro, in case that tank dies |
| 15:26.49 | Grum | 1 healer on Karathress till the hunter dies right? |
| 15:26.56 | Xinhuan | ya grum |
| 15:27.02 | vithos | we kill the priest before the pet |
| 15:27.16 | Grum | that is what we did, i was on karathress but basicly raidhealed while the shaman was up |
| 15:27.18 | Xinhuan | pet only has 100k hp or something, dies in 20 secs max |
| 15:27.25 | Xinhuan | just kill it first lol |
| 15:27.26 | vithos | and just have whoever's offtanking the pet drag it to karathress once the priest is down |
| 15:27.34 | Xinhuan | and the healer on the pettank would be able to go heal elsewhere |
| 15:27.35 | Grum | howso? |
| 15:27.44 | Grum | true |
| 15:27.47 | Grum | you need 2 healers anyways |
| 15:27.48 | kebinusan | locks toss curse of doom on the pet while we're pewpewing the shaman/hunter |
| 15:27.53 | kebinusan | it pretty much dies on its own |
| 15:28.04 | Grum | if it dies before the hunter dies it gets respawned |
| 15:28.36 | kebinusan | Im just hoping we can kill Vashj this week |
| 15:28.36 | Xinhuan | its preferable to just kill the pet though - you free up a healer |
| 15:28.40 | Grum | yeah |
| 15:28.44 | Grum | agree with that |
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| 15:28.48 | Grum | how many healers are advised? |
| 15:28.51 | QuantumDelta | Xinhuan just have the hunter/pet = same tank |
| 15:28.57 | Grum | we took 7 and switched in a #8 |
| 15:28.58 | Xinhuan | ya we do |
| 15:29.05 | Xinhuan | we usually bring 8 |
| 15:29.19 | Grum | we had 2 druids ... hotters .. that was not really ... superly working tbh |
| 15:29.22 | Grum | +b |
| 15:29.23 | kebinusan | we've been skimping with 7 most fights in ssc |
| 15:29.31 | kebinusan | chain heal is OP |
| 15:29.35 | Grum | we never needed 8 |
| 15:29.38 | Xinhuan | 2 on shaman tank, 2 on hunter tank, 1 on healer tank, 1 on boss tank, and 2 healing the raid in general |
| 15:29.44 | Xinhuan | 7 is ok |
| 15:30.02 | Grum | good tips thanks a lot |
| 15:30.09 | Xinhuan | but even with 8 healers we kill the boss with 4 minutes to enrage, so dps isn't an issue |
| 15:30.09 | Grum | especially the intervene of the warrior will help loads |
| 15:30.19 | kebinusan | its a fun fight |
| 15:30.23 | Grum | we lack some dps tbh |
| 15:30.32 | Grum | but yesterday was our first night ever on him |
| 15:30.44 | Xinhuan | you'll kill him on the 2nd night likely |
| 15:30.48 | Xinhuan | he's not very difficult |
| 15:31.19 | Xinhuan | tell ppl to spread out due to that "tornado" that's flying around |
| 15:31.21 | Xinhuan | like the arena ones |
| 15:31.31 | Xinhuan | but not too spread out due to the spitfire totem |
| 15:31.48 | kebinusan | Yeah big thing is getting peopel to reassist to kill spitfires fast |
| 15:31.55 | kebinusan | that can really overburden your healers |
| 15:32.01 | Xinhuan | force everyone to have a /tar spitfire macro |
| 15:32.02 | Grum | yeyah |
| 15:32.07 | Grum | we did that as well indeed |
| 15:32.14 | Xinhuan | its like illhoof, /tar demon chains |
| 15:32.16 | jme | reminds me of /tar demonic |
| 15:32.17 | jme | hehe |
| 15:32.21 | kebinusan | when you import WWS if you reclassify the spitfire totem as a mob instead of a pet you can see who was damaging it and for how much |
| 15:32.27 | kebinusan | its useful to call out those who may not be assisting |
| 15:32.42 | Grum | mm hehe |
| 15:32.43 | Grum | good plan |
| 15:32.48 | Grum | i'll reimport it tonight :P |
| 15:32.55 | Xinhuan | our raid leader just makes his /tar spitfire macro include a /rw SPIRFIRE TOTEM! ASSIST ME |
| 15:34.07 | Grum | with a setup like: 2x priest, 2x paladin, 2x druid, 1x shaman |
| 15:34.17 | Grum | how should the healing be divided? it found it rather hard to set up tbh :/ |
| 15:34.26 | Xinhuan | put your best 2 healers on the shaman tank |
| 15:34.36 | Xinhuan | i.e the ones you trust to be able to keep that tank alive AT ALL COSTS |
| 15:34.48 | Grum | right i'll be healing that sucker tonight so it seems hehe |
| 15:34.50 | Xinhuan | usually a priest/pally |
| 15:34.54 | kebinusan | someone was telling me they are adding a door after al'ar so you cant go right to loot reaver, anyone else heard that? |
| 15:35.07 | Xinhuan | 2 i mean |
| 15:35.20 | Grum | we'll do twice priest i think |
| 15:35.20 | Xinhuan | a shaman can heal the priest tank easily |
| 15:35.28 | Xinhuan | that shaman can also shock the heal |
| 15:35.30 | Grum | also provide frostshock? |
| 15:35.33 | Xinhuan | yup |
| 15:35.34 | Grum | k |
| 15:36.01 | Xinhuan | a druid is enough to heal the boss tank i think, have more healers assist him as adds die |
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| 15:36.25 | Grum | even just with hots? |
| 15:36.32 | Grum | or untree and do 'real' healing =D |
| 15:36.34 | Xinhuan | yeah he only hits like 1k |
| 15:36.38 | Xinhuan | until the hunter dies |
| 15:36.43 | kebinusan | karathress doesnt do much at all till the hunter dies |
| 15:36.51 | Grum | true |
| 15:36.53 | Xinhuan | then he starts hitting 3k-ish |
| 15:36.58 | Grum | the only problem we had were the totems |
| 15:37.03 | Grum | and not getting oor fast enough |
| 15:37.06 | Grum | but intervene will solve that |
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| 15:37.26 | Xinhuan | we use a druid to tank the boss, so i don't think its a intervene problem |
| 15:37.44 | Grum | walking backwards is too slow :) |
| 15:37.50 | Grum | you get hit 2-3 times by the totem |
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| 15:37.58 | Xinhuan | don't walk backwards, strafe sideways |
| 15:38.03 | Xinhuan | whle "facing" the boss |
| 15:38.18 | Grum | k |
| 15:38.50 | Xinhuan | like turn the character sideways so you still dont' have your back to it, and strafe |
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| 15:38.58 | Grum | yeah i know how that works ;) |
| 15:39.31 | Grum | humz and on the priest just have massive raidhealing standing out of range of the tidal wave? |
| 15:40.00 | Xinhuan | possible |
| 15:40.11 | Grum | or just heal and kill =D |
| 15:40.16 | Xinhuan | just ensure your mages use frostward when its up, it helps |
| 15:40.26 | Xinhuan | to heal like 3 less people |
| 15:41.44 | Grum | 23:24'29.921 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee hits Yoshette for 4307 |
| 15:41.44 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.50 | Grum | 23:24'31.250 Fathom-Guard Tidalvess's Melee hits Yoshette for 5288 |
| 15:41.50 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.55 | Grum | that is plain silly imho |
| 15:42.08 | Grum | 18k dmg in 1.3s |
| 15:42.22 | Codayus | hmm, parry? |
| 15:42.25 | Xinhuan | it happens, just not very often |
| 15:42.25 | Grum | nope |
| 15:42.37 | Grum | just inbetween: |
| 15:42.38 | Grum | 23:24'30.734 Yoshette's Reflect hits Fathom-Guard Tidalvess for 24 Nature damage |
| 15:42.41 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.51 | Xinhuan | that's why i said this fight is mostly luck |
| 15:42.58 | Xinhuan | your tanks get hit by a 50% bolt - you wipe |
| 15:43.18 | Xinhuan | or if your shaman tank healer gets hit by that same 50% bolt |
| 15:43.20 | CIA-14 | 03damjau * r47119 10OnScreenHealth/ (. OnScreenHealth.lua OnScreenHealth.toc): |
| 15:43.20 | CIA-14 | OnScreenHealth: |
| 15:43.20 | CIA-14 | - add locals koKR(add external(AceLocale-2.2) |
| 15:43.20 | CIA-14 | - adjust petoffset min and max(to pet displayed under player) |
| 15:43.20 | CIA-14 | - fix option variables(alpha->mode) |
| 15:43.24 | Xinhuan | (it stuns momentarily) |
| 15:43.29 | Xinhuan | and stops their heal |
| 15:43.33 | Xinhuan | at a crucial moment |
| 15:43.50 | Xinhuan | its very very dumb |
| 15:43.52 | Grum | mm k |
| 15:44.01 | Wobin | Come back Argent Dawn |
| 15:44.02 | ulic | still commiting to root I see. |
| 15:44.04 | Wobin | All is forgiven |
| 15:44.06 | Xinhuan | also we had a situation where both our healers got hit |
| 15:44.10 | Xinhuan | by the winds |
| 15:44.15 | Xinhuan | so no heals LOL |
| 15:44.27 | Grum | the other time it was: 4601 5248 (Frostshock) parry 4270 3500 |
| 15:44.41 | Grum | in 1.2s |
| 15:44.46 | Xinhuan | put a shaman in your tank group, grounding? |
| 15:44.54 | Grum | will do tonight yes O.o |
| 15:45.05 | Codayus | ouch |
| 15:47.54 | Grum | btw fathomlord hits by default for ~4k and 6k after the hunter |
| 15:49.01 | Grum | oh well thanks for the tips, he'll has to die tonight =D |
| 15:49.45 | Grum | meh no raid .. no healers .. sigh ;D |
| 15:49.52 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 15:50.20 | Xinhuan | brb 10 min |
| 15:50.47 | CIA-14 | 03starinnia * r47120 10SimpleMD/Locale-deDE.lua: |
| 15:50.47 | CIA-14 | SimpleMD: |
| 15:50.47 | CIA-14 | - Second, and hopefully final, deDE fix for fading message |
| 15:56.51 | jme | vithos: huh |
| 15:57.05 | jme | vithos: i'm thinking i ran low because i swapped efficiency for imp hunter's mark |
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| 16:03.04 | baer_ | moin |
| 16:03.23 | sb | baer_: wrong channel :p |
| 16:03.30 | baer_ | sb: hm? |
| 16:03.38 | sb | for "moin" :p |
| 16:03.45 | baer_ | oh come on :) |
| 16:03.55 | baer_ | "moin" is just fine :-D |
| 16:04.20 | sb | well yes, its also fine to me ;) |
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| 16:07.14 | MaranathaTX | I have all the cartographer addons turned on and lightheaded also. When i click a quest coordinate, it flashes a small white box of garbled graphics, but I dont get an arrow to point to the waypoint. Any suggestions? |
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| 16:08.49 | cladhaire | MaranathaTX: Are you sold on the crazy taxi like arrow, or are the minimap waypoints enough? If they're enough, you can just use TomTom |
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| 16:10.46 | Fisker- | _D? |
| 16:10.48 | Fisker- | :/ |
| 16:10.52 | MaranathaTX | yea..tom tom works fine for me. I guess its more for one of my kids...and that I just want to figure out why it doesnt work ;) |
| 16:11.04 | cladhaire | heheh i completely understand that ;-) |
| 16:11.04 | art3mis | can ultra edit collasp functions? |
| 16:11.13 | art3mis | collapse |
| 16:11.14 | cladhaire | what do you mean garbled graphics? |
| 16:12.00 | art3mis | cladhaire: it's when you change the scale of the ui after installing cart the waypoint arrow shows up as a test parttern of sorts instead of an arrow |
| 16:12.03 | MaranathaTX | it flashes a box for like one second..like its trying to bring an arrow up and there is no texture for it |
| 16:12.17 | cladhaire | art3mis: bizarre ;P |
| 16:12.23 | Fisker- | btw Kaelten |
| 16:12.26 | art3mis | does it quite often on new installs actually |
| 16:12.29 | Fisker- | your curse ad on WAU sucks imo |
| 16:12.29 | Kaelten | g'morning |
| 16:12.37 | Fisker- | can't you get the orcs to say "ORC SHOULDERS OMG" instead? |
| 16:12.38 | Fisker- | :P |
| 16:12.43 | Kaelten | lol |
| 16:12.44 | Fisker- | morning btw |
| 16:12.46 | art3mis | pssst |
| 16:12.56 | art3mis | is there a collaspe functions command for ultra edit? |
| 16:13.10 | Kaelten | can't remember, been a long time since I used ultra edit |
| 16:13.24 | Kaelten | sftp needs to upload faster :s |
| 16:14.05 | haste | drop the s, problem solved! |
| 16:14.46 | Chompers | i see what you did there |
| 16:14.52 | Fisker- | btw i hate my webserver :( |
| 16:14.58 | Fisker- | My bioshock demo was corrupt |
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| 16:15.08 | Fisker- | So i made like 200MB of pars out of it and downloaded it |
| 16:15.15 | haste | why are you using a webserver do download bioshock(or whatever) |
| 16:15.19 | Fisker- | and there was only 1 recovery block needed |
| 16:15.21 | Fisker- | :( |
| 16:15.28 | Fisker- | so i downloaded 200 blocks too much |
| 16:15.30 | haste | do = to |
| 16:15.40 | Chompers | he does it for the lulz |
| 16:15.44 | Stan__ | the bioshock demo is soo awesome |
| 16:15.51 | haste | lulz is the corrupted form of lol |
| 16:15.54 | Fisker- | because it was faster to make it leech the torrent and use the dedicated bandwitdh than using torrent on my other machine |
| 16:16.11 | Chompers | it also funds domestic terrorism |
| 16:16.18 | Chompers | BAD FISKER |
| 16:16.19 | haste | and blows up trucks |
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| 16:16.41 | Kaelten | heh |
| 16:16.42 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 16:16.52 | Kaelten | doesn't bioshock come ou today anyway? |
| 16:17.01 | Stan__ | yeah |
| 16:17.03 | Chompers | friday |
| 16:17.28 | Fisker- | that's for EU Chompers |
| 16:17.32 | Kaelten | It was released on August 21, 2007 in North America and will be released on August 24, 2007 in Europe.[7] |
| 16:17.39 | Stan__ | yup |
| 16:17.43 | Kaelten | so sayeth Wikipedia |
| 16:17.50 | Xinhuan | back |
| 16:17.56 | Chompers | i guess that doesn't tell you when it'll be released on the internets? |
| 16:18.13 | Fisker- | i like how they were like "Oh it won't be like steam we won't have any of those problems (There were delay issue for a couple of hours)" |
| 16:18.32 | Fisker- | and then on release many people got "Authentication server were unable to perform your request" or whatever |
| 16:18.32 | Fisker- | :P |
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| 16:19.05 | FryGuy- | it's out in 3 hours? ;p |
| 16:19.06 | Kaelten | hrm, it looks pretty cool |
| 16:19.11 | Kaelten | when I get more time I'll have to play it |
| 16:19.47 | MaranathaTX | has some steep comp reqs |
| 16:20.13 | Fisker- | have heard it runs fine on 6600/6800 cards |
| 16:20.24 | Fisker- | unfortunately it runs somewhat poorly on my 7800 GTX |
| 16:20.26 | FryGuy- | good thing i just upgraded my computer then! |
| 16:20.31 | Fisker- | but i'm sure it's because of the driver problem |
| 16:20.35 | Chompers | it looks amazing |
| 16:20.41 | Kaelten | I got the recommended except for the sound card |
| 16:20.48 | FryGuy- | isn't 7800 much better than 6600? |
| 16:20.50 | Chompers | stupid demo, why'd it end like that |
| 16:20.57 | Fisker- | exactly FryGuy- |
| 16:21.03 | MaranathaTX | so there is a driver problem specific to the 7800? |
| 16:21.05 | Fisker- | but there is a framerate issue with certain cards |
| 16:21.14 | Fisker- | i don't know if it's specific to the 7800 |
| 16:21.16 | Fisker- | but i hope so |
| 16:21.24 | Fisker- | cause i already paid for bioshock :P |
| 16:21.36 | Fisker- | don't intend on upgrading until the Geforce 9000 series |
| 16:21.56 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 16:22.06 | Kaelten | I had a 6800 so I upgraded to the 8800 |
| 16:22.44 | FryGuy- | i only got the cheap 8800gts, so i don't have 512 of video ram. hm :/ |
| 16:23.51 | Kaelten | can't remember what mine has :s |
| 16:24.02 | Kaelten | its OC'd thogh |
| 16:24.39 | Fisker- | but modding support = awesome |
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| 16:24.50 | Chompers | and it looks better on pc |
| 16:24.59 | Fisker- | So atleast if i can't play the next couple of months i'll have some cool mods i hope |
| 16:24.59 | FryGuy- | i hope fortress forever gets out before tf2 :/ |
| 16:25.00 | Chompers | + keyboard & mouse |
| 16:25.04 | FryGuy- | er, wrong channel |
| 16:27.41 | jme | nub |
| 16:28.53 | Cryect | Hmm, hadn't noticed a framerate issue with the 7800 except when it goes to load up sounds (similar to the stuttering in HL2 so long ago) |
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| 16:30.24 | Cryect | Fisker-: Did you got the new beta drivers I assume? |
| 16:31.47 | FryGuy- | is bioshock on hl2 engine? |
| 16:31.55 | Chompers | unreal |
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| 16:33.20 | Yssaril | anyone know a decent list of the paths to the ingame icons? |
| 16:33.31 | CIA-14 | 03bayi * r47121 10beql/ (9 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 16:33.31 | CIA-14 | beql: |
| 16:33.31 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.31 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.31 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.31 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.35 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.48 | Cryect | There is an API command for getting them |
| 16:33.56 | Cryect | which you can just recurse over |
| 16:34.04 | Cryect | or something like that, been a while since I worked with them |
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| 16:34.32 | Yssaril | yea i know that jsut am to lazy to do it and thought maybe somone has posted something like it before |
| 16:35.10 | Cryect | Heh one second lets see if I still have my old Icon swapper addon still on a webserver |
| 16:35.47 | Nandini | there's something like 3700 icons, that would be a long list |
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| 16:36.15 | Yssaril | hehe time for someone to make a wiki about them :P |
| 16:36.53 | jme | Cryect: illidan dead yet? |
| 16:36.54 | Cryect | http://acm.jhu.edu/~cryect/Transformer.zip |
| 16:36.55 | jme | Cryect: ;) |
| 16:37.16 | Cryect | heh, afraid not almost got the first add dead one time during phase 2 |
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| 16:37.52 | Cryect | oh wait |
| 16:37.54 | jme | Cryect: you better hurry up or catalyst will catch up with you |
| 16:37.57 | Cryect | that addon doesn't do it :-/ |
| 16:38.01 | JoshBork1 | lol |
| 16:38.01 | Cryect | I forgot what I did in that one |
| 16:38.11 | Cryect | wait yes it does |
| 16:38.55 | Cryect | look at function Transformer_IconFrame_Update |
| 16:40.02 | cncfanatics | is there any mod to track items ? |
| 16:40.06 | cncfanatics | I'm grinding netherweave atm |
| 16:40.10 | cncfanatics | and want to know how much I got total |
| 16:40.20 | Cryect | mobinfo2 does |
| 16:40.37 | Cryect | Well it doesn't track what you get |
| 16:40.43 | Cryect | more what the mobs dropped :-p |
| 16:40.50 | Cryect | hmmm not sure |
| 16:40.52 | cncfanatics | I want to know what I have in my inv :p |
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| 16:41.00 | Nandini | some tradeskill mod i had once added "# in bags, # in bank, # on alts" to the tooltip for anything used in crafting recipes |
| 16:41.27 | cncfanatics | not what I need either |
| 16:41.30 | cncfanatics | more like a quest item thingy |
| 16:41.36 | Nandini | if you use parrot for combat text, it gives you the total every time you loot a new item |
| 16:41.36 | cncfanatics | that can show on my screen "X runecloth |
| 16:41.38 | cncfanatics | ntherweave* |
| 16:41.48 | Yssaril | you can use YssGuildShop to kinda do that (not its intended purpose but you can try :P) warning its still buggy as hell |
| 16:42.26 | Yssaril | you can also use autobar and set as one of the buttons to netherweave cloth then you get a running total |
| 16:42.59 | cncfanatics | truee |
| 16:43.01 | cncfanatics | autobar it is |
| 16:43.16 | Cryect | why autobar? can't you set any bar to it |
| 16:43.58 | Xinhuan | think one of those fubar regent addons can track items too |
| 16:44.06 | Xinhuan | you usually set them up to track your reagent counts |
| 16:44.17 | Xinhuan | but i would guess you can set it to track anything |
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| 16:44.30 | Nandini | you can't drag non-usable items to normal action buttons |
| 16:45.00 | Nandini | autobar apparently overcomes that limitation :) |
| 16:45.03 | Xinhuan | autobar isn't exactly "normal action buttons" |
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| 16:49.52 | cncfanatics | indeed |
| 16:50.41 | cncfanatics | also |
| 16:50.44 | cncfanatics | is there an addon to, ehm |
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| 16:50.48 | Yssaril | btw what is better to use tga or blp for graphics in wow? |
| 16:50.52 | cncfanatics | I just forgot what I wanted it to do -.- |
| 16:51.00 | cncfanatics | aaah yes, a mass mailer |
| 16:51.09 | Elkano | blp is smaller iirc |
| 16:51.23 | Tornhoof | blp supports mipmaps afaik |
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| 16:51.34 | CIA-14 | 03jncl * r47122 10Skinner/ (Localisations.lua NPCFrames.lua options.lua): Skinner: Added an option to toggle the skinning of the Battlefields Minimap |
| 16:51.37 | Yssaril | alriht second question how do i save something to blp? |
| 16:51.59 | Nandini | but the DXT3/5 compression doesn't always look that great for interface textures |
| 16:52.08 | Tornhoof | i always used tga |
| 16:52.09 | Silowyi | is it not possible to edit your own threads in the wowace forum? |
| 16:52.10 | Tornhoof | which is fine |
| 16:52.13 | Cryect | tga is normally better |
| 16:52.20 | Silowyi | err posts |
| 16:52.27 | Silviu- | Omg look at beql commit log |
| 16:52.31 | Nandini | i've heard not to use RLE-compressed TGA files, but they always work fine for me |
| 16:52.31 | Silviu- | 1 page lol |
| 16:52.34 | Cryect | tga compresses better for most stuff |
| 16:52.44 | Cryect | Unless you have lots of detail |
| 16:52.45 | Tornhoof | dxt compression does not work with alpha channel anyway right? |
| 16:52.48 | Silviu- | [19:35:38] <+F'CIA-2> (5 lines omitted) |
| 16:52.49 | Cryect | right |
| 16:52.49 | Silviu- | LOL |
| 16:52.53 | Silviu- | and it`s set to 40 |
| 16:52.55 | Silviu- | 45 |
| 16:52.56 | Cryect | you can only get 1 bit alpha in DTX5 |
| 16:52.57 | Silviu- | omg :) |
| 16:53.02 | Tinyboom | cncfanatics: fubar_farmerfu ;) |
| 16:53.11 | Nandini | dxt can save alpha in 1 bit, or "sort of" 3 bits in dxt5 |
| 16:53.31 | Silowyi | is it not possible to edit your own threads in the wowace forum? |
| 16:53.33 | Yssaril | so tga is fine for a 32x32 icon graphic for a fubarplugin? |
| 16:53.37 | mort | weee 4 hours full of fun with kael'thas :( |
| 16:53.50 | Nandini | tga would be just fine for that |
| 16:53.59 | Cryect | oh whoops I'm conufsing with DXT1 :-p |
| 16:54.03 | Yssaril | kk ty |
| 16:54.23 | Mihara | question |
| 16:54.24 | Cryect | TGA works fine for everything except Cursors |
| 16:54.28 | Mihara | using setPoint |
| 16:54.34 | Mihara | how can I set its layer? |
| 16:54.34 | Cryect | which have to be uncompressed palatized BLP |
| 16:54.48 | Cryect | Points don't have layers? |
| 16:54.55 | Mihara | lol |
| 16:54.55 | Nandini | you can easily make uncompressed palettized BLPs with BLPconverter |
| 16:54.56 | Mihara | uh |
| 16:55.00 | Silowyi | How do you edit your own posts/threads in the WoWAce forums? |
| 16:55.08 | Mihara | well then how would I set its layer? |
| 16:55.21 | Silowyi | oh it's called "modify" |
| 16:55.35 | Nandini | we knew you'd find it Silowyi :) |
| 16:55.42 | Cryect | SetDrawLayer |
| 16:56.00 | Silowyi | lol |
| 16:56.06 | Mihara | thanks |
| 16:56.51 | Mihara | is there a site where I can get all these strings? |
| 16:57.00 | Mihara | ive been using wowwiki :\ |
| 16:57.06 | Mihara | and it doesnt have that many |
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| 16:57.16 | Nandini | do tga files RLE compressed on PCs still not show up right on macs and vice versa? or does the WoW engine take care of that? |
| 16:57.43 | Nandini | i can't imagine any other reason so many sites say "save your file as 32-bit uncompressed TGA with alpha channel" |
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| 16:59.19 | Thumann | hi, any news on when decursive will get updated? (getting nasty popup regarding PetUnitFrame) |
| 17:00.20 | Nandini | if there was news it would likely be posted in its forum thread |
| 17:01.02 | Nandini | but if you just stopped by to nag, feel free to stick around, maybe someone will answer in the next few days :) |
| 17:02.02 | Thumann | Nagging?, I do believe i asked a question, instead of just venting rage |
| 17:02.24 | Thumann | but thanks |
| 17:02.26 | Nandini | yes that's why i said "if" :) |
| 17:02.35 | Cryect | haha |
| 17:04.24 | Nandini | hmm that was perhaps a bit rude of me |
| 17:04.45 | Cryect | you can't come on IRC and expecta response in under 3 minutes from who you wnat |
| 17:04.56 | Cryect | and this sure isn't the Decursive channel |
| 17:05.06 | Nandini | yeah, the first time i came in here, i lurked for 3 whole days before i even said anything. LOL |
| 17:05.38 | Nandini | true, neither is it the news channel, although i suppose you might find some juicy gossip here |
| 17:05.46 | Cryect | I've had on other places people ask me a question and quit within 1 minute of asking me. It would have been a miracle if I had answered them that fast even if I was looking at irc :-p |
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| 17:11.48 | Nandini | isn't it odd how we associate certain words? ever since typing "juicy" i can't stop thinking about steak |
| 17:11.50 | jme | Nandini: i lol'd irl, thanks for that |
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| 17:12.48 | Fisker- | down with decursive |
| 17:12.53 | Keya | http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/25/25978/1.html < very interesting read for anyone who understands german well enough |
| 17:13.03 | Fisker- | juicy = jews for some reason |
| 17:13.08 | jme | Nandini: well not quite irl, but close enough |
| 17:13.34 | Nandini | did you cis at least if you didn't lol? (Chuckle InSide) |
| 17:13.49 | jme | yeah |
| 17:13.55 | jme | i'm at work so i try not to lol too much |
| 17:14.22 | Elkano | [homer] Steak... [/homer] |
| 17:14.30 | Nandini | game designers are gods, not governments? |
| 17:14.48 | jme | [me] arby's......[/me] |
| 17:14.51 | Elkano | yeah Nandini ^^ |
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| 17:15.49 | Elkano | ok, I wonder if we'll manage to clear Kara this evening... only the last boss left... |
| 17:15.50 | Nandini | "Von nirgendwoher. Ich brauche keine Inspiration. Mir kommen ständig Ideen. Mein Problem ist zu entscheiden, welche ich verfolge. Nicht, wie ich welche bekomme." <-- he certainly seems to think he's a god |
| 17:16.15 | jme | Elkano: nightbane? |
| 17:16.16 | Nandini | i wish i never had a problem coming up with ideas |
| 17:16.47 | Elkano | that skeleton drake, yes |
| 17:17.05 | jme | Elkano: have you killed him before? |
| 17:17.07 | Nandini | i love how the interviewer asks a once sentence question, and Bartle responds with 2 or 3 paragraphs |
| 17:17.12 | Elkano | nope |
| 17:17.21 | jme | Elkano: good luck with that then :) |
| 17:17.23 | Elkano | only did 2 trys last time |
| 17:17.26 | CIA-14 | 03ennuilg * r47123 10scorchio/ (changelog.txt core.lua): |
| 17:17.26 | CIA-14 | scorchio: |
| 17:17.26 | CIA-14 | - Fixed bug where default installation would automatically blacklist the player until they'd joined a party |
| 17:17.36 | jme | Elkano: what's the group makeup? |
| 17:18.12 | Nandini | Elkano: it's easier if you are alliance and have fear ward, and hopefully have a warrior tanking, it's a bit easier to manage than with a druid or pally |
| 17:18.31 | jme | we manage fine without fear ward ;P |
| 17:18.36 | Ominous | how can you do it with a druid? |
| 17:18.42 | Ominous | and yea its fine without fear ward |
| 17:18.43 | jme | fear ward is for nubs! |
| 17:18.54 | jme | ~flee |
| 17:18.55 | purl | ACTION runs away screaming |
| 17:18.58 | Nandini | i had 2 shammies in my group putting down tremor totems |
| 17:19.14 | Ominous | Elkano: just make sure you have alot of healing on mt |
| 17:19.33 | Nandini | had to hope they pulsed before he ran too off to a ranged dps'er |
| 17:20.03 | Elkano | well, we had an offtank tanking since we use two druids including me as tanks most of the time... and we didn't have a dwarven/drenai priest :/ |
| 17:20.32 | jme | Elkano: we had 4 dps, 4 healers, 2 warrior tanks last night |
| 17:20.36 | Keya | Nightbane was nerfed so the MT doesn't loose aggro even if he's feared - so there's no need for a warrior |
| 17:20.41 | Nandini | yeah it's very challenging as a druid, i've only successfully gotten him down once, and that was after 5 tries |
| 17:20.41 | jme | healers were pally, shaman, two priests |
| 17:20.46 | Elkano | but was fun, 1st try was landing -> wipe since we weren't positiont correctly so he cleaved half of the raid, 2nd try got him at least to pahse 2 |
| 17:21.01 | Nandini | but i've never tried him again since then |
| 17:21.15 | Nandini | they always have a warrior do him now |
| 17:22.01 | jme | the new shaman got like 250 more +healing worth of loot last night :D |
| 17:22.09 | RaydenUni | did atlas or atlaslootfu update recently so that they no longer sync? |
| 17:22.10 | Nandini | wow that's a lot for one night |
| 17:22.15 | Elkano | well, we had been 1 warrior (but not deff), 2 feral dudus, a rogue, a hunter, a warlock, a mage, a shadow priest, a holy priest, a resto druid |
| 17:22.16 | jme | yeah |
| 17:22.58 | jme | Elkano: more healing |
| 17:23.16 | Elkano | well, we swaped the hunter against a pala for 2nd try |
| 17:23.17 | RaydenUni | 30% healing? |
| 17:23.23 | jme | Elkano: heh |
| 17:23.35 | SlackerJer | RaydenUni: Yes, there's a new Atlas version out. So if you updated AtlasLoot, you should update Atlas. |
| 17:23.45 | RaydenUni | yeah i see that, 2 days ago |
| 17:23.46 | Nandini | we had 3 healers when i did it, but one was just a feral druid with a little healing gear on off-healing |
| 17:23.54 | jme | we used a pally, two priests, resto shaman, two hunters, a mage, and either a mage or a lock, two prot warriors |
| 17:24.14 | jme | was really easy when we got it down since we had a couple of nubs to the fight (me and the shaman) |
| 17:24.21 | Elkano | but since we did prince, illhoof and the other drake that evening we didn't care that much if we downed him too or not |
| 17:24.33 | jme | although i died at like 20% and they had to finish with 3 dps :X |
| 17:24.53 | Keya | we use a heal pally and a heal shaman, and if something goes wrong our feral druid jumps in |
| 17:25.26 | Elkano | yeah, heal pala seems good for phase 2 when he bombs the healer with most aggro |
| 17:25.33 | RaydenUni | how well does tree druid heal? |
| 17:25.47 | RaydenUni | i ran SL last night with a 69 druid and was not impressed |
| 17:25.57 | RaydenUni | not sure if it was because he was tree or 69 |
| 17:26.03 | Nandini | that really depends on their gear, but it's the tree druid's aura that really boosts the entire group's healing |
| 17:26.38 | RaydenUni | so they can heal as well as pallies and priests? |
| 17:26.51 | Iceroth | their raid healing is great |
| 17:26.57 | Iceroth | imo small group stuff not so much |
| 17:26.59 | Keya | RaydenUni: Very well - I healed as a Tree druid together with the same shaman all of Karazhan from Opera onward, except Illhoof and Nightbane |
| 17:27.07 | Amadeo | hey Iceroth |
| 17:27.08 | Nandini | they heal differently, tree druids are best suited to 10 or 25 man stuff |
| 17:27.13 | Iceroth | moo |
| 17:27.30 | Amadeo | You still working on that HUD? |
| 17:27.39 | Iceroth | not that much lately no |
| 17:27.45 | Amadeo | just curious :) |
| 17:27.48 | Amadeo | I should try HUDs out again |
| 17:28.06 | Iceroth | well tbh i'm using pitbull myself atm |
| 17:28.07 | Nandini | i thought i'd like using a HUD as a tank, but i couldn't ever really get used to it |
| 17:28.12 | jme | <- is only 3 pieces away from full t4 |
| 17:28.17 | Iceroth | i realized i got too much of a tunnel vision with hud |
| 17:28.20 | jme | already have the boot/belt |
| 17:28.28 | Amadeo | Wrong! |
| 17:28.35 | Amadeo | You don't use PitBull! PitBull uses you! |
| 17:28.47 | jme | pitbull uses Fisker- |
| 17:28.53 | Nandini | I want to make an alternative to pitbull called spiderpig. |
| 17:28.58 | RaydenUni | augh |
| 17:29.05 | RaydenUni | prat needs to stop turning on shadow every time i update |
| 17:29.07 | jme | i want to make one called robotchicken |
| 17:29.30 | Nandini | rayden: be glad, the option actually works correctly now at least, hopefully it never changes again |
| 17:29.36 | RaydenUni | 3 times now |
| 17:29.44 | RaydenUni | at least i know how to change it |
| 17:29.58 | Nandini | unchecking shadows actually turns them off now, as expected |
| 17:30.04 | RaydenUni | its worse when the font changes and then i have no idea what font i have before, i just know all the options look a tad off |
| 17:30.08 | RaydenUni | uh |
| 17:30.13 | RaydenUni | i have to check it currently to get it off |
| 17:30.19 | RaydenUni | says toggle shadows |
| 17:30.34 | Nandini | hmm, i had to UNcheck mine to turn them off. LOL |
| 17:30.48 | Nandini | did it change yet again? |
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| 17:31.24 | Codayus | druid healing is much better than a priests for some roles. heroics arent ne of them... |
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| 17:32.08 | ckknight | hey all |
| 17:32.22 | Nandini | hi |
| 17:32.47 | Elkano | jme, T4 neither has belt nor boots... and I'e got helm and shoulders :) |
| 17:32.57 | Elkano | ho ck |
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| 17:33.14 | Nandini | ugh those stupid lolcat pictures make me want to get a cat just so i can pose it in ridiculous situations and take pictures of it |
| 17:33.15 | jme | Elkano: i know, i'm talking about the offset belt/boots |
| 17:33.20 | jme | Elkano: that match it... |
| 17:33.29 | Fisker- | btw Elkano |
| 17:33.33 | Fisker- | remind me to kill people |
| 17:33.48 | Fisker- | "I can't play cause omen is displaying wrong values :(" |
| 17:33.50 | Funkeh` | heya |
| 17:33.54 | Elkano | I think then I've got the boots, too :) |
| 17:34.07 | Kaelten | anyone know mysql's default port? |
| 17:34.09 | Fisker- | Looks at omen: Oh see, there's a * next to the persons reporting obviously bad data |
| 17:34.14 | Fisker- | 3309? |
| 17:34.28 | Elkano | an omen/ktm fight with more then one enemy is 'fun' ;) at least when it comes to the 2nd mob... |
| 17:34.35 | Elkano | 3306? |
| 17:34.38 | Fisker- | close enough |
| 17:34.39 | Fisker- | 3306 :P |
| 17:34.56 | Fisker- | Elkano it was on Magtheridon :P |
| 17:35.07 | Fisker- | apparently KTM doesn't know what to do when Magtheridon goes out of his banish |
| 17:35.18 | Nandini | ugh my cousin is asking me some stupid survey and i'm trying to make up answers |
| 17:35.29 | RaydenUni | question on etiquette: i was running SL with my guildmate last night (i'm spriest he is warlock), the 3 PUG guys sucked. 69 warrior tank, 69 druid heal, and 70 rogue who bare hit 200dps. would it be appropriate to ditch all three of halfway through the dungeon? we all quit when we wiped twice in a row on 4 mob groups shortly after |
| 17:35.36 | Fisker- | remind me |
| 17:35.38 | RaydenUni | we wiped 12 times |
| 17:35.39 | Fisker- | reminds me* |
| 17:35.52 | Fisker- | Gotta figure out some proper 4chan memes for my drafting session on thursday |
| 17:35.58 | Fisker- | would be a shamem if i were actually drafted |
| 17:37.03 | CIA-14 | 03cwdg * r47124 10BigWigs/ (4 files in 3 dirs): BigWigs: update zhCN local . |
| 17:37.58 | Nandini | Rayden, did you and your guildmate invite the others? Is there some reason you felt it would be easy with a level 69 tank and 69 healer? |
| 17:40.06 | Nandini | And why were you so compelled to wipe 12 times before giving up? I think you went far beyond what ettiquette would require. :) |
| 17:40.23 | jme | RaydenUni: i would've bailed as soon as i saw the first signs of rough waters |
| 17:41.29 | RaydenUni | Nandini didn't think it would be easy but i'd never wiped more than once in SL before |
| 17:41.32 | RaydenUni | this was horrendous |
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| 17:41.39 | jme | RaydenUni: oh i've wiped more than that |
| 17:41.49 | jme | RaydenUni: when i was getting my key i spent 7 hours wiping on one run of SL |
| 17:41.55 | RaydenUni | we wiped against a 4 mob group! twice in a row! |
| 17:42.02 | jme | RaydenUni: i should've left, but i wanted my freaking key |
| 17:42.06 | Nandini | well, you have to remember there is a big difference between level 69 and level 70 |
| 17:42.13 | RaydenUni | tank had eyes only for the main dps |
| 17:42.17 | RaydenUni | yeah |
| 17:42.21 | RaydenUni | i'm never doing it with 69 again |
| 17:42.29 | Nandini | most people haven't spent a lot of time collecting good gear before level 70 |
| 17:42.30 | RaydenUni | 3hr SL is not worth the rep |
| 17:42.36 | Nandini | their main goal is just to get to 70 |
| 17:42.39 | RaydenUni | yep |
| 17:42.46 | kergoth | heh, nothing worse than a tank that sits and beats on one mob the whole fight while the others run rampant |
| 17:42.48 | RaydenUni | not really their fault, its their gear |
| 17:43.07 | Nandini | i didn't do a single outland instance until i hit level 70 |
| 17:43.15 | RaydenUni | one of the mobs runs straight for the healer, kills him straight up |
| 17:43.25 | RaydenUni | of course i had MC'd something so i couldn't heal the party :D |
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| 17:43.41 | RaydenUni | i got a good staff from ramparts |
| 17:43.47 | Nandini | a tank who's level 69 probably also doesn't have a TON of tanking experience either |
| 17:43.55 | RaydenUni | yeah i do'nt think he primarily tanked |
| 17:43.59 | RaydenUni | he wasn't prot |
| 17:44.05 | jme | ^ bad idea |
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| 17:44.22 | RaydenUni | woohoo for being able to outthreat the tank vs every mob |
| 17:44.23 | Nandini | i don't know why non-prot specced warriors think they can just switch gear and instantly turn into a MT |
| 17:44.29 | kergoth | a good tank runs as many instances as possible while they're leveling to ensure they know what they're doing :P |
| 17:44.41 | jme | Nandini: because they're nubs |
| 17:44.57 | Nandini | well, i waited till i was 70 before i learned to tank, but i started off easy :) |
| 17:45.08 | jme | you tanked SM at 70? |
| 17:45.20 | Nandini | no, but i started out back in ramparts again |
| 17:45.23 | jme | :D |
| 17:45.30 | Nandini | and honestly, tanking as a druid isn't exactly rocket science |
| 17:45.46 | RaydenUni | i'm finding that now that i'm paying attention to gear, some instances just don't have much for a spriest |
| 17:45.51 | RaydenUni | if i want to run for gear i gotta be picky |
| 17:45.55 | RaydenUni | does this change with heroics? |
| 17:46.04 | Nandini | same for heroics |
| 17:46.04 | RaydenUni | and my gear isn't all that great |
| 17:46.05 | jme | RaydenUni: look at the heroic loot tables on wowhead |
| 17:46.29 | jme | well they're included with the regular loot tables, they're just epic stuff |
| 17:46.56 | Nandini | you're guaranteed at least one (and maybe only one) epic from the last boss in any heroic |
| 17:47.31 | jme | hunters only have i think two epics out of all the heroics.. i think boots and wrists |
| 17:48.09 | Nandini | there are only 2 or 3 good things for feral druids, compared to quest rewards and pvp gear you might already ahve |
| 17:49.20 | Nandini | and no one ever seems to want to do heroic mana tombs |
| 17:50.15 | Nandini | after you do any heroic enough though, it seems as easy as the non-heroic version |
| 17:50.43 | Nandini | except maybe old hillsbrad, i've never found that easy |
| 17:51.13 | Nandini | tanking wise, there isn't a lot of difference, but your dps really have to hit hard and fast |
| 17:52.31 | Nandini | i suppose tanking wise it IS different, because if you lose aggro, a lot of heroic mobs can 1-shot a clothie with low stam |
| 17:52.54 | Nandini | so you have to be a bit more careful |
| 17:53.08 | kergoth | omen/ktm is life in heroics |
| 17:53.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:53.09 | NightHawkAtWork | Nandini: psh, no the dps has to be more careful, is all ;) |
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| 17:53.59 | Nandini | well i was specificially thinking about multi-mob tanking and healers, i can't be as lazy about keeping enough threat on all of them to beat the healer |
| 17:54.35 | NightHawkAtWork | true, but doing multi mob pulls without some kind of CC is just masochism anyway |
| 17:55.06 | kergoth | wonder if Aloft's threat-1.0 support is helpful for a tank.. i should level my warrior someday |
| 17:55.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:55.17 | Amadeo | Speaking of Heroics, I was doing Wailing Caverns yesterday! |
| 17:55.44 | omega | heroic mode? |
| 17:55.45 | Fisker- | speaking of heroics, i was doing your mother yesterday |
| 17:55.47 | Amadeo | We had a 37 Hunter with us for some reason...and he was wearing all cloth armor, meleeing the whole time with aspect of the Cheetah on |
| 17:55.49 | Fisker- | YOU JUST HAD TO SEE IT COMING |
| 17:55.52 | Fisker- | seriously |
| 17:55.55 | Amadeo | Your mom didn't see it coming |
| 17:56.01 | Fisker- | :/ |
| 17:56.08 | NightHawkAtWork | kergoth: it seems like it would be, although I havn't played my warrior since before threat was started... |
| 17:56.19 | CIA-14 | 03kemayo * r47125 10AuldLangSyne/AuldLangSyne.toc: AuldLangSyne: Add X-Donate. |
| 17:56.43 | Nandini | there was a warrior who commented in the Aloft thread that it was very useful, he wanted to know if he could show sunders on the nameplate too tho |
| 17:57.14 | CIA-14 | 03kemayo * r47126 10FuBar_KungFu/FuBar_KungFu.toc: FuBar_KungFu: Add X-Donate. |
| 17:57.17 | Amadeo | nameplates are so weird, they look out of place in the WoW engine |
| 17:57.31 | Nandini | yeah i tend to get dizzy with nameplates on |
| 17:57.38 | CIA-14 | 03kemayo * r47127 10FuBar_QuestsFu/FuBar_QuestsFu.toc: FuBar_QuestsFu: Add X-Donate. |
| 17:57.49 | *** join/#wowace [dRaCo] (n=drc@p54858965.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:57.52 | Amadeo | they kind of have a shimmer about them when moving, like the tracking dots on the minimap |
| 17:58.01 | CIA-14 | 03kemayo * r47128 10FuBar_ToFu/FuBar_ToFu.toc: FuBar_ToFu: Add X-Donate. |
| 17:58.04 | NightHawkAtWork | I needed them on when tanking to make sure i could easily target mobs |
| 17:58.05 | Nandini | hmm sounds like kemayo needs some rent money |
| 17:58.19 | CIA-14 | 03kemayo * r47129 10SilverDragon/SilverDragon.toc: SilverDragon: Add X-Donate. |
| 17:58.32 | Amadeo | In PvE I'm sure it's not as bad, but I don't think I could ever use them in PvP |
| 17:58.42 | RaydenUni | meleeing the whole time with aspect of the Cheetah on <-- i ran ramparts the other day with some guildmates. the hunter left aspect of the cheetah on, the tank was not amused :) |
| 17:58.48 | NightHawkAtWork | I dunno, I don't pvp, so. :) |
| 17:58.53 | ckknight | lol, Nandini, I think I just reminded him |
| 17:58.54 | Amadeo | RaydenUni: haha |
| 17:58.56 | Kemayo | Nandini: It will all go to my hookers and blow bank account. |
| 17:59.16 | Kemayo | ckknight: Yeah... I've been meaning to do that for ages, but it was indeed you who reminded me. :D |
| 17:59.17 | NightHawkAtWork | Kemayo: oh, well in that case, i WILL donate. :P |
| 17:59.41 | Nandini | oh, if any of you are tanks, they are changing the daze mechanics in 2.2 |
| 17:59.50 | NightHawkAtWork | Nandini: oh? how? |
| 17:59.53 | Nandini | defense skill will no longer reduce your chance to be dazed when hit from behind |
| 18:00.00 | NightHawkAtWork | >< |
| 18:00.03 | Amadeo | Watch this |
| 18:00.14 | NightHawkAtWork | that was always the best part about being a tank |
| 18:00.17 | Saint-N | make me |
| 18:00.28 | Amadeo | I changed my mind |
| 18:00.30 | Amadeo | haha |
| 18:00.43 | Nandini | that also means you are as likely to get dazed by a level 1 mob (if it actually is able to hit you) as you are with a level 73 boss |
| 18:01.05 | Amadeo | Ever since 2.0, Daze has been ridiculously stupid |
| 18:01.46 | Nandini | it seems it will make multi-mob trash tanking especially difficult |
| 18:01.57 | cncfanatics | will it ? |
| 18:02.03 | cncfanatics | why do I care about being dazed at all ? :p |
| 18:02.13 | Nandini | dazed tank = dangerous situation |
| 18:02.45 | Fisker- | lets compliment our respective mothers cncfanatics |
| 18:02.51 | RaydenUni | threat per second goes to 0? |
| 18:02.51 | NightHawkAtWork | It means the tank gets to run very slowly at the mob that went for the overnuking mage (redunant, I know), only to arive too late. >.> |
| 18:02.59 | RaydenUni | oh dazed |
| 18:03.00 | RaydenUni | nm |
| 18:03.07 | RaydenUni | why is there such a shortage of tanks lately? |
| 18:03.16 | jme | nobody wants to roll one |
| 18:03.18 | RaydenUni | 3 groups all ready for SL last night, they only needed tanks |
| 18:03.20 | NightHawkAtWork | RaydenUni: because it's a shitty job. |
| 18:03.51 | Nandini | it's probably the most stressful job, but you might argue healing can be stressful in some situations too |
| 18:04.12 | CIA-14 | 03damjau * r47130 10OnScreenHealth/OnScreenHealth.lua: |
| 18:04.12 | CIA-14 | OnScreenHealth: |
| 18:04.12 | CIA-14 | - fix bug in setting Petoffset. |
| 18:04.16 | cncfanatics | Fisker-, no ty |
| 18:04.30 | NightHawkAtWork | healing can be stressful, but I don't think it's really quite as bad as tanking |
| 18:04.36 | cncfanatics | NightHawkAtWork, 40 yard taunt ftw tbh |
| 18:04.47 | cncfanatics | and I love tanking :p |
| 18:04.50 | cncfanatics | i'm probably one of the few though |
| 18:04.55 | NightHawkAtWork | I love it too. :P |
| 18:04.58 | Nandini | i love tanking too |
| 18:04.58 | cncfanatics | most of our warrs want to spec fury/arms for some reason |
| 18:05.02 | NightHawkAtWork | but it drives me crazy some times. |
| 18:05.19 | cncfanatics | NightHawkAtWork, forgetting to taunt when a mage overnukes helps making it less stressful :) |
| 18:05.22 | RaydenUni | my guild has three 70 warriors, 2 are dps |
| 18:05.29 | Nandini | but since people always see me in bear form, they don't realize the utility i can also bring as cat, when extensive CC is not mandatory |
| 18:05.31 | jme | they should respec |
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| 18:05.54 | jme | dps warriors are probably going to drop soon with the windfury nerf |
| 18:06.00 | RaydenUni | jme one just hit 70 and needs to be dps to quest and stuff. the other does major dps. when we run as a guild we only need 1 tank anyways |
| 18:06.17 | jme | RaydenUni: are you running any raids yet? |
| 18:06.20 | RaydenUni | no |
| 18:06.24 | jme | ok then :) |
| 18:06.30 | RaydenUni | working towards KZ attunement |
| 18:06.33 | RaydenUni | :P |
| 18:06.44 | RaydenUni | does KZ require 2 tanks? |
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| 18:06.50 | durcyn | sometimes |
| 18:06.54 | RaydenUni | hmm |
| 18:06.54 | jme | yeah, some of the fights do |
| 18:06.58 | Nandini | it's made easier by 2 tanks in some situations |
| 18:06.59 | RaydenUni | bummer |
| 18:07.07 | RaydenUni | that could be a problem |
| 18:07.15 | jme | we pretty much use 2 tanks through the whole thing |
| 18:07.15 | NeoTron | 1.5 |
| 18:07.22 | RaydenUni | our major dps warrior is also our main priest so he won't be around for KZ |
| 18:07.27 | Nandini | some raiding guilds with totally geared out players will send one "ringer" tank in to do all of KZ tho |
| 18:07.29 | Cheads | we use a dps tank/feral druid as OT |
| 18:07.35 | Cheads | dps warrior even |
| 18:07.49 | RaydenUni | we got 3 warlocks though :D |
| 18:08.15 | Nandini | what you need will depend on the specific encounter, and also the makeup of the rest of your group |
| 18:08.17 | Mihara | is it possible to set height and width with SetBackdrop? |
| 18:08.35 | Nandini | if you have 3 priests with you, you can easily get by with 1 tank on most trash pulls since you have shackles |
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| 18:09.31 | Nandini | there are some situations where you can't CC tho that can be difficult for one tank to handle, or bosses/events that need an OT |
| 18:10.10 | Keya | 1 Tank + 1 Feral is ideal imho - especially if you want to take along lots of dps and little healing |
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| 18:11.18 | Elkano | ok... 1st try failed... got to 74%... :/ |
| 18:11.32 | Keya | :-/ |
| 18:12.11 | winkiller | anyone used xpath on armory lately? |
| 18:12.15 | winkiller | /page/characterInfo/skillTab/skillCategory[@key=secondaryskills]/skill |
| 18:12.25 | winkiller | something is wrong, but should be seen what I need |
| 18:13.07 | winkiller | ignore me |
| 18:13.14 | winkiller | /page/characterInfo/skillTab/skillCategory[@key="secondaryskills"]/skill |
| 18:13.16 | winkiller | DOH |
| 18:13.35 | Keya | ^^ |
| 18:14.29 | RaydenUni | no 70 druids in our guild :( |
| 18:14.54 | CIA-14 | 03yssaril * r47131 10YssGuildShop/ (6 files): |
| 18:14.54 | CIA-14 | YssGuildShop: |
| 18:14.54 | CIA-14 | - the share filter should now work |
| 18:14.54 | CIA-14 | - started adding FuBar support (no more slash commands woot) |
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| 18:18.06 | Codayus | Kara goes well wit 1 MT, 1 Ot (feral or fury), and a couple healers... Two full prot warriors hurts you on most fights. |
| 18:18.26 | Matrix110 | 1 tank 2 healers is enough:P |
| 18:18.50 | durcyn | still need an OT for things like opera |
| 18:18.55 | Matrix110 | nope |
| 18:19.23 | Keya | Our MT1 tanks Kara almost all by himself - but it's easier if he has a little helper bear by his side |
| 18:19.32 | durcyn | R&J with both up is a little dicey with one undergeared tank |
| 18:19.52 | Codayus | Need is a srong word. But if your doing kara "for real", its a good idea |
| 18:19.55 | Keya | well he shouldn't be undergeared if he's the only one |
| 18:20.38 | Keya | it's pretty much the same with priests in karazhan - you can do without if you adept |
| 18:21.11 | Codayus | attuman, some trash, R+J, ummmm....thats about it |
| 18:21.23 | Codayus | oh, moroes too |
| 18:21.51 | Ominous | netherspite needs two tanks? |
| 18:21.52 | Codayus | not impossible with one tank but kind of annoying |
| 18:21.54 | Codayus | no |
| 18:21.56 | Ominous | cos if red been cd |
| 18:21.57 | Keya | if you had 3 healers a holy pally might do the same job if he had good gear |
| 18:22.12 | Ominous | s/if/of/ |
| 18:22.13 | Codayus | hunter can tank in red. :-) |
| 18:22.58 | Codayus | Netherspite cannot crush. Red beam heals you to full...and adds a lot of HP. |
| 18:22.59 | winkiller | Antiarc: ping? |
| 18:23.48 | Codayus | our prot mt tanks netherspite in combat stance while DW I think |
| 18:24.33 | winkiller | people die to aoe |
| 18:24.40 | winkiller | netherspite is only thing not cleared in kara for us |
| 18:25.00 | Chompers | you've got shadow prot right? |
| 18:25.09 | Chompers | the buff from priests |
| 18:25.33 | winkiller | yea |
| 18:25.46 | winkiller | well we didn't try too often |
| 18:25.55 | Chompers | people don't stand in the black circles right? |
| 18:26.18 | winkiller | hehe yea |
| 18:26.21 | winkiller | I hope so |
| 18:26.24 | Gnarfoz | people simply outrange netherbreaths? :P |
| 18:26.40 | Chompers | soon as he goes into phase2, run away |
| 18:26.59 | winkiller | we'll get him, sooner or later |
| 18:27.03 | winkiller | :) |
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| 18:36.33 | Mihara | with CreateFarme('statusbar', nil, UIParent) what would be considered the parent frame name :D |
| 18:36.57 | Antiarc | winkiller: pong |
| 18:37.26 | winkiller | ah good, see query in a sec |
| 18:38.15 | jme | Fisker-: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/ttress/Failboat.jpg |
| 18:38.28 | jme | Fisker-: i don't know if i linked that or not yet :D |
| 18:40.11 | Fisker- | oh shi! |
| 18:40.20 | Fisker- | i can actually get drafted :( |
| 18:40.26 | ckknight | lol |
| 18:40.30 | ckknight | which country? |
| 18:40.32 | Fisker- | denmark |
| 18:40.37 | jme | antarctica |
| 18:40.46 | Fisker- | my unique physique doesn't really qualify for military work |
| 18:40.53 | Fisker- | but we have to draw a number like the lottery |
| 18:41.06 | ckknight | alright |
| 18:41.13 | Fisker- | 1-5000 = service nomatter what, 5000-10000 you'll be evaluated, 10000-35000 you decide if you want to go or not |
| 18:41.24 | Fisker- | i'm notorious for taking the low numbers :( |
| 18:41.26 | ckknight | there are only 35000 numbers? |
| 18:41.33 | Tornhoof | fiskers, unqiue physique?, 1.60m, 120kg? |
| 18:41.34 | jme | Fisker-: /roll 35000 |
| 18:41.58 | Fisker- | Tornhoof more like 1,90/130-140 |
| 18:42.22 | ckknight | oh |
| 18:42.26 | ckknight | you're a bigg'un |
| 18:42.58 | Fisker- | yarr |
| 18:43.00 | Tornhoof | fisker should pursue a career in american football ;) |
| 18:43.05 | jme | <- 5'10, about 190 |
| 18:43.10 | jme | lbs |
| 18:43.15 | durcyn | jme we use metric around here, pal. |
| 18:43.25 | jme | durcyn: #WOWACE IS NOT METRIC ONLY KTHX |
| 18:43.42 | ckknight | jme: I'm 5'9", 132 lb |
| 18:43.47 | durcyn | go back to imperial britain, jme! |
| 18:43.53 | jme | durcyn: nevah!! |
| 18:43.54 | Tornhoof | 1,94, 92kg or something ;) |
| 18:43.56 | ckknight | woo, America! |
| 18:44.38 | durcyn | traditionally followed by "fuck yeah" fyi |
| 18:44.39 | jme | durcyn: that's like 1.79m, ~86 kg |
| 18:44.54 | Fisker- | loading wow :P |
| 18:45.10 | jme | my lowest was about 78kg last semester when i was still working out |
| 18:45.24 | Fisker- | yay |
| 18:45.26 | jme | then i quit and started playing wow over the summer and gained like 15-20 lbs |
| 18:45.28 | Fisker- | i won in WoW |
| 18:45.56 | jme | but i am almost in full t4 so that doesn't matter, amirite? |
| 18:45.57 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather tabar |
| 18:45.58 | jme | ~flee |
| 18:45.59 | purl | ACTION runs away screaming |
| 18:46.10 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Tabar, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (5/8/48). 10620 HP; 7499 Armour; 1056 AP; 159.4 Melee DPS; 17.01% melee crit; 20 melee hit; 185 defense; 13.68% dodge; 19.88% block; 24 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1203 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fzm58 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2ksoee ]] |
| 18:47.46 | jme | and by almost i mean i still have 3 pieces left :( |
| 18:52.04 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47132 10FuBar_ButtonSmashFu/FuBar_ButtonSmashFu.lua: |
| 18:52.04 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 18:52.04 | CIA-14 | - setting max report lines to 0 now works as intended |
| 18:52.21 | cladhaire | 'Shadow Word: Pain' von Cladhaire wurde entfernt. <-- what does this mean in German? |
| 18:52.24 | cladhaire | from a german speaker :P |
| 18:52.52 | Tornhoof | removed SW:P from clad |
| 18:53.21 | cladhaire | No, i dont' mean interpret it, whats the literal translation? |
| 18:53.28 | cladhaire | Shadow Word: Pain of Cladhaire was removed? |
| 18:53.50 | Zicon | from Cladhaire was removed |
| 18:54.05 | cladhaire | okay, thanks. |
| 18:58.01 | Silowyi | is there a library out there that lists spells and spell damage types/ |
| 18:58.02 | Silowyi | ? |
| 18:58.02 | Silowyi | like |
| 18:58.20 | Silowyi | Mangle (Cat) - Physical, Frostbolt - Ice |
| 18:58.30 | Silowyi | or frost, whatever |
| 19:00.37 | Xinhuan | not sure |
| 19:00.46 | Xinhuan | but i know swstats builds such a table internally |
| 19:00.54 | Xinhuan | and saves it along with the savedvars |
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| 19:01.01 | Yssaril | anyone know of a program that can replace xxxxxx with yyyyyyy within several lua files? |
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| 19:01.17 | Xinhuan | it parses (spell) hits (player) for (X) (spelltype) damage |
| 19:01.20 | durcyn | Yssaril: uh, sed? |
| 19:01.20 | Xinhuan | or something |
| 19:01.21 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47133 10Joker/LibJokerConfig-1.0/LibJokerConfig-1.0.lua: |
| 19:01.21 | CIA-14 | LibJokerConfig-1.0 - now if a table is registered that has extraArgs specified |
| 19:01.21 | CIA-14 | alongwith args, it will be used, but only on the base level. This is where |
| 19:01.22 | CIA-14 | mixins should register their options, so extraArgs = { profile = {} } and the |
| 19:01.22 | CIA-14 | like. |
| 19:01.29 | Mikk | any sane editor can find & replace in files |
| 19:01.30 | Xinhuan | and saves the spell-spelltype in a table |
| 19:02.16 | Yssaril | mikk: i kow how to do it in a single file i am looking for something that does it in like 10 files |
| 19:02.28 | [dRaCo] | ultraedit32 does that |
| 19:02.37 | Yssaril | k cool |
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| 19:02.44 | Xinhuan | so this table is actually pretty big now, since it contains near every boss in the game i've come across ;p |
| 19:02.52 | Xinhuan | every spell |
| 19:03.29 | Silowyi | hmm I'll have to see how swstats does it |
| 19:03.51 | [dRaCo] | prolly a table with spellname as index |
| 19:03.55 | Xinhuan | look in the code for the |
| 19:03.59 | Xinhuan | SW_SpellsNSchools[] table |
| 19:04.09 | Xinhuan | it has 7 indexes |
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| 19:04.21 | Xinhuan | SW_SpellsNSchools[1] is a table Holy spells |
| 19:04.29 | Xinhuan | SW_SpellsNSchools[2] is a table Fire spells |
| 19:04.31 | Xinhuan | etc |
| 19:04.40 | Xinhuan | SW_SpellsNSchools[7] is a table containing physical damage abilities |
| 19:04.46 | Silowyi | more interested in finding out how it determines the damage type |
| 19:04.49 | Xinhuan | since there are 6 spellschools |
| 19:04.53 | Xinhuan | yeah |
| 19:05.00 | Silowyi | It's not very good apparently |
| 19:05.38 | Silowyi | according to my SW from mechanar just now |
| 19:05.56 | Silowyi | in cat form I did 56,652 physical damage |
| 19:06.03 | Silowyi | 50 nature (I'm guessing from thorns) |
| 19:06.08 | Silowyi | 57 fire (no clue here) |
| 19:06.16 | Silowyi | and 923092 "other" |
| 19:06.38 | [dRaCo] | just guessing, but: once you see a spell in the combat log, it checks the table, if there's no type, it extracts the school from the combat log |
| 19:07.40 | Xinhuan | that's what i'm guessing |
| 19:07.48 | Xinhuan | the 57 fire is probably the imp buff |
| 19:07.51 | Xinhuan | being reflected |
| 19:07.59 | Xinhuan | i assume you had a lock in your party |
| 19:08.01 | Silowyi | oh, now that's a good point |
| 19:08.03 | Silowyi | yup |
| 19:08.14 | Silowyi | how much damage does that imp buff do? |
| 19:08.22 | [dRaCo] | like... 12 |
| 19:08.22 | Xinhuan | 13 or something |
| 19:08.38 | Silowyi | kinda odd that I would only have 4 or 5 ticks of it then |
| 19:08.48 | [dRaCo] | it's not always up |
| 19:08.52 | Silowyi | true |
| 19:08.55 | Hjalte | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7252-JooJanta200Super-ChromaticPerilSensitiveSunglasses.html - Don't panic! Lovely addon that I would never use :P |
| 19:08.57 | [dRaCo] | most locks turn off the autocast |
| 19:09.17 | [dRaCo] | mostly wasted mana |
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| 19:10.54 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.40 | [dRaCo] | dark pact! |
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| 19:12.05 | Xinhuan | swstats has a line that does |
| 19:12.05 | Xinhuan | v.School = self:getSchool(); |
| 19:12.09 | Xinhuan | to record it |
| 19:12.11 | Xinhuan | looking at it |
| 19:12.14 | Silowyi | hmm |
| 19:12.35 | Silowyi | like I said though, a bit disturbed that the vast majority of my abilities register as "Other" and not "physical" |
| 19:12.45 | Xinhuan | such as what? |
| 19:13.06 | Silowyi | [14:05] (Silowyi): according to my SW from mechanar just now |
| 19:13.06 | Silowyi | [14:05] (Silowyi): in cat form I did 56,652 physical damage |
| 19:13.06 | Silowyi | [14:06] (Silowyi): 50 nature (I'm guessing from thorns) |
| 19:13.06 | Silowyi | [14:06] (Silowyi): 57 fire (no clue here) |
| 19:13.06 | Silowyi | [14:06] (Silowyi): and 923092 "other" |
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| 19:13.36 | Silowyi | 90% of my outgoing damage was labelled as "other" |
| 19:14.06 | Yssaril | alright g'night guys |
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| 19:14.26 | Xinhuan | open up your savedvar file for swstats |
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| 19:14.30 | Xinhuan | look at the table |
| 19:14.38 | Xinhuan | for SW_SpellsNSchools |
| 19:15.06 | CIA-14 | 03roartindon * r47134 10Assessment/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 19:15.06 | CIA-14 | Assessment |
| 19:15.06 | CIA-14 | - Added flat death list display set |
| 19:15.15 | Xinhuan | appears that [1]-[6] is for the 6 spellschools and [200] is for SW_PRINT_ITEM_NON_SCHOOL |
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| 19:15.38 | Silowyi | yup |
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| 19:15.50 | Xinhuan | and [0] is for Physical |
| 19:16.33 | Xinhuan | looking at my table for the [0] entry |
| 19:16.38 | Xinhuan | i only have 27 items in it |
| 19:17.00 | Xinhuan | meaning the combat log will actually write "Physical damage" |
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| 19:17.08 | Xinhuan | while the [200] abilities doesn't do that |
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| 19:17.44 | Xinhuan | does that sound right to you? |
| 19:17.46 | Ominous | omg bioshock demo is amazing |
| 19:18.18 | Silowyi | that'd be my guess Xinhuan |
| 19:18.19 | Xinhuan | i have 252 entries in my [200] table |
| 19:18.28 | Silowyi | yup |
| 19:19.04 | Xinhuan | meh, all my savedvar files wouldn't be so big if Blizzard didn't attach the -- [index] stuff at the end of every line |
| 19:19.22 | Xinhuan | they could have attached that comment every 5 lines instead of every line |
| 19:19.29 | Mihara | SetBackdropWidth isnt a string is it? |
| 19:19.30 | Xinhuan | and savedvars would be a lot smaller in filesize |
| 19:20.11 | kergoth | who cares? SV filesize is irrelevent |
| 19:21.08 | Xinhuan | i don't know about you, but when my Lootlink.lua is ~20 mb, it couldhave been 15-17 mb without all those |
| 19:21.21 | Xinhuan | and probably load that tiny bit faster |
| 19:21.34 | Xinhuan | without the lua parser having to parse out every comment |
| 19:22.09 | Xinhuan | its probably just as bad with auctioneer |
| 19:22.16 | Xinhuan | i didn't look at the auctioneer savedvars |
| 19:22.56 | sb | mhh |
| 19:23.07 | sb | does "/use Tainted Core" work in deDE client? |
| 19:23.19 | mort | probably not |
| 19:23.19 | Xinhuan | change it to whatever the item name is in german |
| 19:23.26 | Xinhuan | -- [8213] |
| 19:23.34 | Xinhuan | yep 8213 lines with those -- |
| 19:23.36 | Xinhuan | comments |
| 19:23.56 | kergoth | a whole 5 megs? please. nobody gives a damn about 5 megs of hard disk space |
| 19:24.02 | kergoth | heh |
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| 19:24.17 | Xinhuan | i am STILL guessing the lua parser would have less work loading the savedvars |
| 19:24.27 | Xinhuan | if it doesn't have to parse out all the -- [8213] |
| 19:24.34 | Xinhuan | and load faster |
| 19:25.07 | Xinhuan | would you like to run an objective test on a savedvar file that has 500k lines with and without comments and check loading time? :) |
| 19:26.29 | kergoth | i'm betting the time is miniscule compared to the rest of the time spent in the loading process. premature optimization is bad, profile first :P |
| 19:26.45 | Xinhuan | think i'll test it later lol |
| 19:26.47 | NeoTron | I'm betting removing comments probably takes about as long as the time it takes for you to blink |
| 19:26.49 | Xinhuan | and see if its worth optimizing |
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| 19:27.37 | Xinhuan | string operations aren't all that quick during parsing |
| 19:28.25 | Roartindon | it's not a string manipulation tho, it's a byte scan |
| 19:29.09 | Roartindon | I can guarantee you that removing all of the -- comments is barely a fraction of a comment, even if there are hundreds of thousands of them. It's small compared to the rest of the job of the lua compiler/executor |
| 19:29.13 | CIA-14 | 03Tristan * r47135 10Enhancer/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 19:29.13 | CIA-14 | Enhancer: |
| 19:29.13 | CIA-14 | - Added more attributes to EP calculations and added a BestGem command so you can check wich one the AddOn uses for calculations |
| 19:30.09 | Roartindon | err.. barely a fraction of a second* |
| 19:30.58 | CIA-14 | 03roartindon * r47136 10Assessment/ (CoreModules/GroupMembers.lua Modules/Deaths.lua): |
| 19:30.58 | CIA-14 | Assessment |
| 19:30.58 | CIA-14 | - Flat death list now is colored according to class |
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| 19:36.02 | Pkekyo | http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/9236/diskspacevg8.jpg <--- there's nothing visible on it (yes, I enabled show hidden files), still 300megs are used...what could possibly cause this? |
| 19:36.06 | Xinhuan | would using debugprofilestart() at the end of an addon, and using debugprofilestop() in the ADDON_LOADED event be a good way to measure loadtime? hehe |
| 19:36.07 | jme | oh yeah |
| 19:36.21 | [dRaCo] | Pkekyo: system files. |
| 19:36.23 | jme | we just got an app from a pally with 1430 +healing :O |
| 19:36.35 | jme | heck yeah |
| 19:36.35 | [dRaCo] | +1430? so? |
| 19:36.46 | jme | we've been looking for more healers |
| 19:37.00 | jme | 1400 is plenty for our raids, clearing kara and HKM, working on gruuls |
| 19:37.06 | jme | er, gruul |
| 19:37.29 | jme | i expect he'll get an invite tonight |
| 19:37.31 | CIA-14 | 03roartindon * r47137 10Assessment/Modules/Damage.lua: |
| 19:37.31 | CIA-14 | Assessment |
| 19:37.31 | CIA-14 | - Unknown source names are now replaced with "Unknown", instead of inserting false as a key into the damage data tree |
| 19:37.35 | kergoth | Xinhuan: that's what tek's Warmup addon used to do, to measure load time, iirc |
| 19:37.44 | Mihara | all the priests in my guild have 2000+ healing |
| 19:37.55 | NeoTron | my pally has like 870 healing or so >:-) |
| 19:38.02 | Mihara | some of the pallies too |
| 19:38.10 | jme | Mihara: we aren't even in t5 yet |
| 19:38.17 | Mihara | <---t6 :D |
| 19:38.19 | jme | barely half of us in two t4 |
| 19:38.19 | [dRaCo] | 1430 is ok... seen more on karazhan geared paladins, though |
| 19:38.24 | Xinhuan | ah so by measuring the time between each addon's ADDON_LOADED to the next, that's supposedly the loadtime? |
| 19:38.35 | Amadeo | My Paladin has no +healing :( |
| 19:38.37 | jme | [dRaCo]: yeah, he still has a few pieces left to get from kara, he is wearing mostly 70 blues |
| 19:38.38 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 19:38.45 | Mihara | still #1 alliance on illidan |
| 19:38.53 | jme | Mihara: yeah... but you're alliance :) |
| 19:39.04 | Mihara | yeah? |
| 19:39.13 | kergoth | Xinhuan: it wouldnt be perfect, but itd be a ballpark figure at laest |
| 19:39.16 | jme | ALLIANCE SUCKS |
| 19:39.17 | jme | ~flee |
| 19:39.17 | purl | ACTION runs away screaming |
| 19:39.17 | Pkekyo | [dRaCo]: system files? what system goddamn files? |
| 19:39.23 | CIA-14 | 03deccard * r47138 10MiniChat/Core.lua: |
| 19:39.23 | CIA-14 | MiniChat: |
| 19:39.23 | CIA-14 | - toc change |
| 19:39.23 | CIA-14 | - UI doesn't need to be reloaded on change to "Direction" anymore |
| 19:39.34 | jme | Mihara: joking ;) |
| 19:39.39 | Mihara | i know |
| 19:39.40 | jme | (mostly) |
| 19:39.42 | Xinhuan | i think i'll just give it a spin and see if its significant or not |
| 19:39.43 | CIA-14 | 03deccard * r47139 10MiniChat/MiniChat.toc: |
| 19:39.43 | CIA-14 | MiniChat: |
| 19:39.43 | CIA-14 | - toc change |
| 19:39.44 | Pkekyo | it's a 1gb usb dongle |
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| 19:39.58 | Amadeo | dongle is such a strange word, makes me think of bad things |
| 19:40.00 | jme | Mihara: i'm on stormreaver |
| 19:40.08 | [dRaCo] | Pkekyo: uhm. stuff like paper bin. windows does the weirdest things |
| 19:40.14 | Mihara | cool |
| 19:40.20 | Pkekyo | I hate this piece of shit |
| 19:40.34 | [dRaCo] | try formatting the stick if you are sure there's nothing important on it |
| 19:40.37 | jme | Mihara: we got rolled by a trade pug from illidan in this eots once, it was great |
| 19:40.39 | NeoTron | I made 70 less than a week ago and can proudly say I solo-healed Arcatraz (normal but still -t he last room is not paladin healer friendly) |
| 19:40.53 | Pkekyo | [dRaCo]: I deleted everything on it... |
| 19:40.53 | Pkekyo | the problem occurs on several computers btw |
| 19:40.54 | Mihara | lol |
| 19:40.56 | jme | Mihara: 4 cap, they farmed us at the spawn on the rock, so i stripped my gear and jumped down and /danced with them naked |
| 19:41.10 | Mihara | ahaha |
| 19:41.25 | jme | Mihara: it got a laugh out of them at least and they let me live longer than 30 seconds :D |
| 19:41.34 | Mihara | :D |
| 19:41.47 | Pkekyo | a usb dongle has to be FAT formatted, correct? |
| 19:42.03 | jme | Pkekyo: dongle? thumb drive? |
| 19:42.09 | Pkekyo | aye |
| 19:42.09 | baer_ | Pkekyo, depends. |
| 19:42.21 | jme | Pkekyo: i keep mine fat formatted so i can use it on windows/osx/linux seamlessly |
| 19:42.25 | baer_ | Pkekyo, mine has a reiser3 on it. |
| 19:42.29 | [dRaCo] | just re-apply the current format |
| 19:42.57 | Pkekyo | how do I format it in win xp? can't find any options to do so |
| 19:42.59 | kergoth | hmm, usb storage devices can definately be formatted.. they cant be partitioned though right, since they don't give you raw access to the disk |
| 19:43.03 | Pkekyo | baer_: reiser3? |
| 19:43.09 | baer_ | reiserfs |
| 19:43.16 | jme | reiserfs is a linux filesystem |
| 19:43.23 | Pkekyo | this thing is annoying the living piss outta me |
| 19:43.28 | baer_ | and readable in osx, too. |
| 19:43.32 | zac | The creator of ReiserFS is in jail on murder charges. I wouldn't bank on the FS. |
| 19:43.33 | jme | ah |
| 19:44.17 | baer_ | zac, right, but actually his company is sold -- reiser4 is nearly stable. |
| 19:44.27 | Fisker- | wut zac? :D |
| 19:44.31 | cryogen | isnt reiser a jouranling file system? |
| 19:44.36 | jme | yes |
| 19:44.49 | Fisker- | In before FUD |
| 19:44.53 | Fisker- | Lol linux murders |
| 19:45.00 | kergoth | i wouldnt want a journaled filesystem on a flash device |
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| 19:45.04 | kergoth | thats a lot of unnecessary writes |
| 19:45.14 | cryogen | you should check the specifics of your hardware then |
| 19:45.18 | kergoth | and given flash has a limited lifetime.. |
| 19:45.21 | Fisker- | they're gonna run out sooner or later kergoth :O |
| 19:45.23 | cryogen | especially the part about how many writes it's gaurenteed for.. |
| 19:45.37 | kergoth | usually its thousands of erases per block, non trivial |
| 19:45.39 | kergoth | but even so |
| 19:45.40 | Fisker- | That's why i stick to conventional harddrives with usb connectivity |
| 19:45.40 | Fisker- | :P |
| 19:45.49 | cryogen | putting anything other than fat on something like that is just silly :) |
| 19:46.04 | kergoth | i could see ext2, just to get symlinks and such |
| 19:46.08 | kergoth | since umsdos isnt maintained |
| 19:46.35 | cryogen | or that |
| 19:46.48 | durcyn | ext2 is probably the single most portable fs, you just have to carry around a vfat partition with the windows and osx drivers :/ |
| 19:46.59 | Pkekyo | someone help me find out how I can format this fucking dongle/memory stick/thumb drive? |
| 19:47.15 | kergoth | i'd still like to see a little fs that adds symlinks and perms on top of vfat, like umsdos but maintained.. perhaps a Fuse filesystem |
| 19:47.22 | kergoth | wouldnt be difficult |
| 19:47.29 | [dRaCo] | Pkekyo: explorer, rightclick, format? o0 |
| 19:47.40 | Pkekyo | [dRaCo]: it's windows...can't be that easy |
| 19:47.54 | [dRaCo] | it is, I just checked :þ |
| 19:48.12 | Amadeo | what's hard in Windows? lol |
| 19:48.20 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47140 10FuBar_ButtonSmashFu/FuBar_ButtonSmashFu.lua: |
| 19:48.20 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 19:48.20 | CIA-14 | - bugfix with limit when reporting |
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| 19:48.43 | [dRaCo] | doing anything that MS doesnt want you to do |
| 19:48.55 | Pkekyo | indeed... |
| 19:49.08 | [dRaCo] | anyway, formating an usb stick is that easy. |
| 19:49.10 | [dRaCo] | do it. |
| 19:49.11 | [dRaCo] | now. |
| 19:49.12 | [dRaCo] | :þ |
| 19:49.25 | Pkekyo | just did |
| 19:49.31 | Pkekyo | won't let me name the dongle though :< |
| 19:49.37 | Pkekyo | I want to name it Dongle! |
| 19:49.55 | Amadeo | Dongled Duck |
| 19:50.01 | [dRaCo] | as long as you got rid of that wasted space |
| 19:50.20 | Pkekyo | 0,98/0,98gb atm |
| 19:51.19 | jme | ~cheer |
| 19:51.20 | purl | shift to the left, unshift to the right, push down, pop up, byte byte byte. |
| 19:51.44 | [dRaCo] | wtf. |
| 19:51.51 | Silowyi | rofl |
| 19:52.02 | Pkekyo | if I get the same problem this time 'round I'm gonna fucking format my brother's laptop and install win xp instead |
| 19:52.34 | Pkekyo | RJ-45 <--- what type of connection is this? |
| 19:52.43 | ckknight | ethernet |
| 19:52.45 | Amadeo | lol |
| 19:52.54 | Pkekyo | imba |
| 19:52.56 | ckknight | also called 8P8C |
| 19:52.58 | Amadeo | One day your kids will be saying that |
| 19:53.04 | Amadeo | "You guys used wires? OMG!" |
| 19:53.06 | Elkano | \o/ Nightbane down :) |
| 19:53.31 | [dRaCo] | gratz elk |
| 19:53.39 | Pkekyo | Amadeo: smack'em over the head with 10 RJ-45 cables and let'em feel the true power of wired networking |
| 19:53.43 | Pkekyo | indeed, congrats |
| 19:53.49 | kergoth | grats |
| 19:53.57 | [dRaCo] | wires ftw. nothing's better than wires. |
| 19:54.31 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 19:54.42 | Pkekyo | they are really fucking good at getting in your path |
| 19:54.54 | Pkekyo | gl hf on trying to make someone trip over a wLAN |
| 19:54.57 | [dRaCo] | wlan is insecure, slow and I dont like it. |
| 19:54.59 | [dRaCo] | :þ |
| 19:55.17 | sb | hmmm |
| 19:55.20 | sb | vashj isnt that bad :p |
| 19:55.21 | Pkekyo | I'm gonna get wLAN 'cause I cba to run wires all 'round the house for laptops... |
| 19:55.28 | Pkekyo | my tower will forever stay wired though |
| 19:55.32 | jme | ugh.. now that i dropped LW i have no reason to get exalted with scryers except for the tabard |
| 19:55.43 | Pkekyo | the tabard is fucking awesome |
| 19:55.45 | sb | 1st try 60% is fine to me... need some tuning, and phase 3 is going to be bad ;p |
| 19:55.46 | jme | yeah. |
| 19:55.48 | Pkekyo | jme: don't forget the shoulder enchants |
| 19:55.56 | jme | Pkekyo: got those already |
| 19:56.08 | Pkekyo | the exalted ones? |
| 19:56.11 | jme | oh, no |
| 19:56.14 | Pkekyo | lucky little dongjob |
| 19:56.25 | Pkekyo | <--- farming his arse off for rep to get exalted enchants |
| 19:56.30 | [dRaCo] | those exalted ones rock. |
| 19:56.34 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 19:56.39 | jme | i need to look them up |
| 19:56.42 | jme | http://tinyurl.com/38f4sw is me |
| 19:56.55 | jme | wtb the freaking dps cloak from shade, i hate the pvp cloak |
| 19:56.55 | kergoth | hmm, i should grind out scryers exalted on my rogue.. still havent gotten around to it |
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| 19:57.37 | [dRaCo] | jme: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29736#currency-for |
| 19:57.47 | Pkekyo | cba to put the exalted enchant on http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29316 though |
| 19:57.54 | jme | [dRaCo]: oh nice |
| 19:58.29 | Thrae | !i 29316 |
| 19:58.32 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Name: Warchief's Mantle; Rarity: Blue; BoP; Shoulder; +27 Stamina; +23 Strength; +786 Armour; 1 Yellow; 1 Red; +3 Crit Rating socket bonus; 80 Durability; +18 ParryRating. [[ http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29316 ]] |
| 19:59.18 | jme | [dRaCo]: are there exalted head enchants from cenarion? i don't remember |
| 20:00.22 | [dRaCo] | jme: revered. |
| 20:00.22 | [dRaCo] | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29192 |
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| 20:00.29 | jme | [dRaCo]: yeah, i have the revered one |
| 20:00.43 | jme | MyNameisSaint-N: liar |
| 20:01.07 | [dRaCo] | nothing better than that one |
| 20:03.46 | Saint-N | nu uh! |
| 20:05.17 | CIA-14 | 03pettigrow * r47141 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Fish-2.2/Babble-Fish-2.2.lua: |
| 20:05.17 | CIA-14 | Babble-2.2: |
| 20:05.17 | CIA-14 | - Babble-Fish-2.2: frFR Update (thanks tremins & lueurx) |
| 20:06.04 | Silowyi | how does a site like wowhead get this spell information: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27000 ? |
| 20:06.12 | Silowyi | is there a data file to scrape somewhere? |
| 20:07.20 | Saint-N | its all stored in the mpq's and wdb's |
| 20:07.21 | cladhaire | against the ToS to do so, yes |
| 20:07.47 | Saint-N | its not againstthe ToS to look ;P |
| 20:08.37 | [dRaCo] | collecting the data ingame isn't though, is it? |
| 20:08.45 | CIA-14 | 03damjau * r47142 10beql/locales/localization-ko.lua: beql: - update kokr locals |
| 20:11.56 | Saint-N | technically or actually? |
| 20:12.27 | jme | technactually |
| 20:13.00 | Saint-N | using reposting or disemminating information about world of warcraft including graphics and text is against the tos, without written permission ;) |
| 20:15.25 | durcyn | i didn't sign that. |
| 20:15.26 | Nandini | i don't think it's stated exactly like that in the ToS |
| 20:15.27 | durcyn | sorry! |
| 20:16.41 | Saint-N | im paraphrasing |
| 20:16.57 | Saint-N | but in truth technically yes, you did not sign the ToS or EULA ;P |
| 20:21.27 | CIA-14 | 03Tristan * r47143 10Enhancer/ (Localization.lua bonus/EP.lua): |
| 20:21.28 | CIA-14 | Enhancer: |
| 20:21.28 | CIA-14 | - Forgot about the gem with BoK for BestGem so added it as well |
| 20:21.29 | nevcairiel | Antiarc: ping |
| 20:21.32 | Antiarc | pong |
| 20:22.07 | nevcairiel | i have some redundant entrys in my GLOBAL threat list, while being out of combat |
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| 20:22.17 | nevcairiel | generally a Shadowfiend, a hunter pet |
| 20:22.26 | nevcairiel | and this time even some shadow priest |
| 20:22.33 | ggilbert | Saint-N: The current terms of service for WoW doesn't appear to have anything of the sort in it |
| 20:23.47 | Nandini | the last time i saw anything prohibitive about content was the NDA in the original closed beta |
| 20:24.44 | Nandini | still, it doesn't mean wowhead should be using text and images owned by blizzard on their site for profit. but i'm sure wowhead benefits blizz too by helping keep frustrated players from cancelling their subscriptions |
| 20:25.28 | Nandini | and it's quite possible wowhead and the other database sites have an agreement with blizz to reuse their content |
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| 20:26.41 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.46 | Nandini | although you never see "used with permission" on wowhead or thottbot |
| 20:26.48 | Fisker- | Looks like steam have unlocked my european version |
| 20:27.13 | Diao | i'm pretty sure the "not spreading information" is an NDA only applicable to betas |
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| 20:28.15 | ggilbert | Nandini: Some of it probably boils down to not not bothering Blizzard enough to raise a fuss. |
| 20:28.39 | Nandini | exactly, database sites benefit blizzard more than they hurt i would guess |
| 20:28.49 | ggilbert | yeah |
| 20:28.52 | Nandini | enough so that they added their own item search in the armory |
| 20:29.08 | durcyn | too bad the armory is a horrible piece of javascript and flash shit |
| 20:29.54 | Nandini | keep in mind that the prettiness factor is more important to some players than actual utility :) |
| 20:30.00 | kergoth | not being able to open links from the armory in a new tab drives me bonkers |
| 20:30.00 | ggilbert | Armory is funny. It's the first ajaxy app I've every used that feels slower than just doing a new page hit would feel. |
| 20:30.51 | Nandini | when i want to do that i just open the same page in a new tab first then click the link kergoth |
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| 20:31.10 | Nandini | my shortcut to do that doesn't seem to work in ie7 tho |
| 20:31.44 | Keya | ggilbert: That's due to the heavy use of client-side XSLT going on with the armory |
| 20:32.16 | Nandini | i used to be able to use ctrl-shift-N to open a new tab of the same page, not sure how to do it now |
| 20:32.21 | genetik- | there's something like 100 xsl files that have to be parsed by the client on every load |
| 20:32.31 | Amadeo | All of Blizzards websites blow |
| 20:32.37 | genetik- | yeah, pretty much |
| 20:32.38 | Kemayo | I'm conceptually a big fan of serving XML+XSLT. The armory isn't the best implementation I've ever seen, though. |
| 20:32.42 | Keya | yep, it's a wonder full proof of concept |
| 20:33.06 | Amadeo | In Safari, the items load when the page loads though, which is kinda nice |
| 20:33.42 | NeoTron | armory is really rather crappy |
| 20:33.44 | Amadeo | not that I can stand to use it, but it's still kinda nice |
| 20:34.02 | Nandini | i use armory links when i link to items in posts on the blizz forums |
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| 20:34.21 | Nandini | so you don't have to go through the extra click like you do with an external site |
| 20:35.40 | Nandini | and their use of XML, while slow to transform and restyle a million times, does lend itself well to crawling/scraping/mining |
| 20:35.57 | Nandini | as long as they don't crack down on ppl doing it |
| 20:36.37 | ggilbert | Yeah, that part is pretty awesome. |
| 20:36.48 | NeoTron | of course wowhead also ahs xml readily available |
| 20:37.04 | genetik- | doesn't have your character on it, though |
| 20:37.04 | Nandini | yeah but not on characters, guilds, arena teams :) |
| 20:37.05 | genetik- | heh |
| 20:37.26 | NeoTron | sure |
| 20:37.36 | genetik- | that would be interesting if a larger site did implement something like that, though |
| 20:37.46 | NeoTron | just saying providing xml doesn't make the site a slug by definition |
| 20:37.48 | genetik- | based on blizzard's armory xml |
| 20:38.01 | NeoTron | it's a slug by design |
| 20:38.11 | Fisker- | i hate steam now :( |
| 20:38.15 | genetik- | i doubt blizz would let that exist for too long |
| 20:38.23 | Fisker- | they unlocked my bioshock but i'm downloading @ 30kB/s |
| 20:38.41 | Chompers | just gonna ask you fisker, hows the bioshock unlock coming |
| 20:39.26 | Nandini | well, they let other sites host character and guild info for you, sometimes with more detail than the armory can provide |
| 20:39.35 | Nandini | there's nothing like the arena features anywhere tho |
| 20:39.56 | Fisker- | Chompers it's unlocked |
| 20:41.22 | Chompers | did you do anything special? |
| 20:41.34 | Fisker- | i FUCKING PWND |
| 20:41.46 | genetik- | yeah, i use armory data to display my guild's roster on our website |
| 20:42.32 | genetik- | though i have it only updating once a day at midnight |
| 20:42.53 | Fisker- | ooooh |
| 20:42.56 | Fisker- | developer commenting |
| 20:42.56 | Fisker- | ; Rowan: disable IpDrb coz we have no network code |
| 20:42.56 | Fisker- | ; EditPackages=IpDrv |
| 20:43.05 | Fisker- | how do i spelled IpDrb? |
| 20:43.08 | Fisker- | lol i duno |
| 20:45.31 | Nandini | bigwigs describes itself as a modular, lightweight, non-intrusive approach to boss encounter warnings |
| 20:45.40 | Nandini | what exactly would be an intrusive approach? |
| 20:45.50 | Chompers | spikes into the brain |
| 20:45.59 | [dRaCo] | spamming other users with messages, Nandini |
| 20:46.06 | jme | DANGIT |
| 20:46.27 | jme | this freaking sucks, i have to go through this all again :X |
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| 20:55.49 | Amadeo | I know what bugs me about nameplates |
| 20:56.01 | Amadeo | there's no depth to them |
| 20:56.07 | Amadeo | they're just there |
| 20:56.18 | Fisker- | http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=content_stats <-madness |
| 20:56.21 | Nandini | that's what makes me dizzy |
| 20:56.44 | jme | Fisker-: http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=content_stats <-sparta (fixed) |
| 20:57.52 | Amadeo | any good new movies coming out soon? |
| 20:58.21 | [dRaCo] | amadeo: bourne ultimatum? |
| 20:58.32 | Amadeo | another bourne? |
| 20:58.34 | Saint-N | resident evil 3 is out in sept |
| 20:58.36 | [dRaCo] | pt 3 |
| 20:58.43 | jme | bourne ultimatum was awesome |
| 20:58.49 | Amadeo | ok ok |
| 20:58.50 | Amadeo | haha |
| 20:58.50 | [dRaCo] | not out here yet :/ |
| 20:58.51 | durcyn | the thing about the bourne movies, is you have to sit in the back of the theater or you'll get sick from the camera work |
| 20:59.12 | Amadeo | There's a lot of sparta-type movies coming, I keep seeing commercials |
| 20:59.12 | Nandini | there are plenty of good reasons to sit in the back, of which, that may be the least important :) |
| 20:59.13 | jme | i was fine :/ |
| 20:59.14 | Amadeo | I just forget the names |
| 20:59.35 | Saint-N | the last legion |
| 20:59.44 | Saint-N | pathfinder was pretty good too |
| 20:59.50 | jme | yeah, it was |
| 21:00.19 | Saint-N | mainly cuz it had the bad guy from highlander in it |
| 21:00.24 | Saint-N | as a bad guy viking |
| 21:01.23 | [dRaCo] | maybe Dnevnoy dozor (being Nochnoy Dozor Pt. II) |
| 21:03.05 | [dRaCo] | those were the 3 movies I remember from last movies trailer show |
| 21:03.09 | ennuilg | Anyone have any experience with PaintChips-2.0 not loading? It's in my .toc, in my libs/ and I'm even doing a "local PC = AceLibrary("PaintChips-2.0")" yet CandyBars still complains that I must have PaintChips loaded if I want to send it "red" or "green"... |
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| 21:03.41 | kergoth | ennuilg: you using standalones or embeds? |
| 21:08.03 | CIA-14 | 03eraslin * r47144 10DKPmon_PercentDKP/example.lua: DKPmon_PercentDKP: Syntax fix. |
| 21:08.12 | Hjalte | http://funnyimagedump.com/images/console-girl/fullview/ Damn, gaming consoles can be.. Interesting. |
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| 21:27.10 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47145 10FuBar_ButtonSmashFu/FuBar_ButtonSmashFu.lua: |
| 21:27.10 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 21:27.10 | CIA-14 | - small fix for pet spells handling |
| 21:29.59 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r47146 10FuBar_ButtonSmashFu/FuBar_ButtonSmashFu.lua: |
| 21:29.59 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 21:29.59 | CIA-14 | - fix for last commit |
| 21:30.18 | *** part/#wowace phanx (n=phanx133@64.25.131.142) |
| 21:30.32 | phawx | so i did a /ace list ace2 and i saw a module that said MoveTooltip. Reason i mention this is because my tooltip has relocated itself over my toolbars, and i dunno how i can move it. anyone have a suggestion |
| 21:31.40 | Saint-N | what tooltip ya using? |
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| 21:31.47 | Saint-N | tinytip? |
| 21:31.51 | phawx | no modded ones as far as i know |
| 21:32.02 | phawx | it's the standard one |
| 21:32.07 | Saint-N | oh |
| 21:32.21 | Saint-N | go find tinytip or aftte on wowinterface i think |
| 21:32.27 | Saint-N | itll let ya move the achor properly |
| 21:32.37 | Saint-N | or kc_mobility |
| 21:32.39 | [dRaCo] | phawx: check your addon directory for MoveTooltip and delete it :> |
| 21:32.48 | Saint-N | and just shift-crtl-alt and cick the box and move it |
| 21:33.57 | phawx | already checked addons and no movetooltip is there |
| 21:34.44 | [dRaCo] | phawx: the list should give you the addon where it belongs to |
| 21:35.07 | stavmar_ | so there is violation and there is Recount, what other options are there to measure performance of your guild in combat in game |
| 21:35.17 | Cryect | Assessment |
| 21:35.56 | phawx | list just says MoveTooltip - 1.0 |
| 21:36.30 | kergoth | Cryect: the dot uptime stuff confuses me.. the %'s it shows seem to be what % of all the dots a given dot was.. but when talking uptime, adding all the times will usually be over 100%, if you went by that.. didnt quite understand |
| 21:36.32 | kergoth | in recount |
| 21:36.35 | stavmar_ | Cryect: aah yes, assessment |
| 21:36.39 | stavmar_ | TY |
| 21:37.13 | stavmar_ | do you use all three or pick just one? |
| 21:37.24 | durcyn | i wouldn't recommend running all three |
| 21:37.30 | Cryect | Which percent you referring to? heh the problem is its just a data structure being fed to another part that processes them all the same |
| 21:37.34 | durcyn | the memory churn would be very impressive |
| 21:37.43 | Cryect | It lets you know the percent of ticking of each dot |
| 21:37.54 | jme | s/impressive/agonizing |
| 21:38.03 | Cryect | So its the percent of total overall dottime |
| 21:38.15 | Cryect | I mean it would let you know if one of your dots was missing a lot more than another dot |
| 21:38.24 | Cryect | it would be better of course to compare to the total DPS time |
| 21:38.40 | Cryect | Recount 2 my plans would allow for that actually |
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| 21:38.59 | kergoth | i was just curious about how much of a slacker i was in keeping a given dot up |
| 21:39.05 | Cryect | heh |
| 21:39.42 | kergoth | recount2 eh, rewrite? |
| 21:39.45 | Cryect | Well the main window display I like since it shows you the Avg # of Dots up and total DOT time |
| 21:39.47 | Cryect | yeah a rewrite |
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| 21:40.06 | Cryect | think I'm waiting on Joker to be finished up a little more then will go with that |
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| 21:41.30 | kergoth | i love the recount graphs, its easy to see when the boss feared and when we got back on him and such |
| 21:41.32 | kergoth | oh, that reminds me |
| 21:41.36 | kergoth | i had a feature request |
| 21:41.53 | kergoth | itd be cool to be able to select a block to zoom in, and see what my (or anybody's) dps/hps/whatever was just in that range |
| 21:42.00 | kergoth | so i can check my burst vs overall |
| 21:42.13 | kergoth | not sure how you'd present that, just an idea |
| 21:42.15 | Cryect | You can do that |
| 21:42.20 | Cryect | or you mean for the details |
| 21:42.21 | kergoth | how so? |
| 21:42.24 | Cryect | that the main window shows |
| 21:42.31 | ckknight | Cryect: it pretty much works now, it just needs tweaking |
| 21:42.32 | Cryect | well on the graph window you just drag and select an area |
| 21:43.02 | kergoth | right, but the graph window doesnt seem to show what my dps was in that period. i can see the damage i did increase, but not the rate |
| 21:43.08 | kergoth | if you see what i eman |
| 21:43.12 | Cryect | the graph window shows you the DPS |
| 21:43.18 | Cryect | unless you tell it to integrate |
| 21:43.33 | Cryect | Or do you want to see the second derivative? |
| 21:43.38 | kergoth | ah, hmm |
| 21:43.46 | ckknight | D/S^2? |
| 21:47.23 | kergoth | my math is rusty, guess i'll play with it with integrate disabled, usually have it enabled, find it easier to grasp what happened |
| 21:48.48 | Cryect | depends what I'm looking for if I have it enabled/disabled |
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| 21:51.36 | Hjalte | Where the heck can you buy Gyrochronatom? I've been to 5 or 6 Engineering supplies without any luck - and there isnt any on the AH either. |
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| 21:52.39 | Xinhuan | its crafted |
| 21:52.45 | Xinhuan | by engineers |
| 21:52.50 | Xinhuan | not bought off vendors |
| 21:55.58 | kergoth | wonder if itd be useful to graph "power" usage over time, when you were in and out of the 5 sec rule, what you spent it on..hmm |
| 21:56.37 | CIA-14 | 03sylvanaar * r47147 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/PlayerNames.lua: |
| 21:56.37 | CIA-14 | Prat: If WhoLib is installed (not included), an option to who every name you |
| 21:56.37 | CIA-14 | encounter will be available in PlayerNames. It literally who's every single name |
| 21:56.37 | CIA-14 | starting with every name in every channel you are in. This initially causes |
| 21:56.37 | CIA-14 | quite a backlog which takes a few minutes to catch itself up. This information |
| 21:56.38 | CIA-14 | is not saved. |
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| 21:57.12 | sylvanaar | forgot i wasnt on |
| 21:57.31 | [dRaCo] | why would you wanna do that if the info isnt saved? |
| 21:57.46 | Pkekyo | Yeah, little bit of pain never hurt anybody. If you know what I mean. Also, I think knives are a good idea. Big, fuck-off shiny ones. Ones that look like they could skin a crocodile. Knives are good, because they don't make any noise, and the less noise they make, the more likely we are to use them. Shit 'em right up. Makes it look like we're serious. Guns for show, knives for a pro. |
| 21:58.28 | CIA-14 | 03ascalia * r47148 10AtlasLoot/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 21:58.28 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 21:58.28 | CIA-14 | - completed German loottables + minor improvements |
| 21:58.35 | Xinhuan | is that some counterstrike quote? lol |
| 21:58.51 | Pkekyo | no |
| 21:58.58 | Jaxon | Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels |
| 21:59.03 | kergoth | i love knives. |
| 21:59.09 | Chompers | how goes it Fisker? |
| 21:59.11 | Xinhuan | kergoth pm |
| 21:59.13 | Chompers | playing it yet |
| 21:59.19 | kergoth | have a cold steel Kukhri hanging on the wall, figure itll be intimidating if anyone breaks in |
| 21:59.21 | kergoth | :P |
| 22:00.35 | Saint-N | and takes it to then rob you? |
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| 22:00.52 | Pkekyo | Knives are good, because they don't make any noise, and the less noise they make, the more likely we are to use them. Shit 'em right up. Makes it look like we're serious. Guns for show, knives for a pro. |
| 22:01.44 | kergoth | Saint-N: hehe. its not the only knife in the house, they're all over the place. even have a few hard plastic ones stashed in oddball places |
| 22:02.04 | Pkekyo | hard plastic knives? |
| 22:02.15 | Xinhuan | i've got about 50 unused McDonald's plastic knives somewhere in the kitchen |
| 22:02.22 | Xinhuan | does that count? |
| 22:02.27 | kergoth | yea, no good for slashing, but stabbing, sure. |
| 22:02.39 | Pkekyo | kergoth: linkage to an example please? |
| 22:02.57 | kergoth | http://www.coldsteel.com/nise.html |
| 22:03.10 | Pkekyo | holy jumping fucking jesus |
| 22:03.24 | kergoth | bought the kerambit for practice so i wouldnt cut myself playing with a real one :P |
| 22:03.35 | Xinhuan | everytime someone QQs in game, i linke them a [Razor Blade] in game now (item:15244) |
| 22:03.45 | Pkekyo | so....no metal in those blades? |
| 22:04.02 | durcyn | Xinhuan: I usually link them a Vial of Tears |
| 22:04.06 | Pkekyo | kergoth: the karambit style...what's that all about? |
| 22:04.10 | Xinhuan | hah |
| 22:04.14 | Xinhuan | i'll try that one |
| 22:04.28 | Xinhuan | i just mailed someone 54 tissues (from AV) |
| 22:04.33 | Xinhuan | i told him to make a tissue box |
| 22:05.02 | CIA-14 | 03ennuilg * r47149 10scorchio/ (. core.lua scorchio.toc): |
| 22:05.02 | CIA-14 | scorchio: |
| 22:05.02 | CIA-14 | - Added Dewdrop, AceEvent and PaintChips to externals. |
| 22:05.37 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47150 10Joker/LibJoker-1.0/LibJoker-1.0.lua: LibJoker-1.0 - allow :HasAddon to accept a table to check. |
| 22:05.49 | ckknight | scorchio? |
| 22:07.13 | Ominous | Tracks Fire Vulnerability Debuff on Multiple Mobs (Ennui@Bloodhoof-EU) |
| 22:07.46 | kergoth | Pkekyo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerambit .. think there's a couple videos of their use on youtube. its a different knife fighting style, bit odd really, especially since your fingers are exposed a fair bit |
| 22:07.52 | kergoth | its interesting |
| 22:08.26 | Pkekyo | I like the easthetic aspect of it atleast |
| 22:09.06 | kergoth | it's certainly impressive the way they can spin those things around fast as hell, i could see it being quite painful having that tear across your stomach or something, moer like a claw than a knife |
| 22:09.55 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 22:11.02 | stavmar_ | is there like a fubar button to display recount? |
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| 22:11.18 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 22:11.34 | Xinhuan | probably called something like RecountFu |
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| 22:12.06 | ennuilg | FuBar_RecountFu, apparently. |
| 22:12.21 | stavmar_ | aah so it is separate not included with the recount mod? hmm strange |
| 22:12.33 | kergoth | how so? it's quite common |
| 22:12.33 | Xinhuan | yes, i think its seperate |
| 22:12.45 | Xinhuan | most fubar addons are separated from their main addons |
| 22:13.13 | stavmar_ | well i guess violation Massist, Parrot, Cowtip allow you to attach to minimap or fubar without having to download a seperate fubar addon, I think |
| 22:13.24 | stavmar_ | Massist, Main Assist |
| 22:13.28 | Pkekyo | that kerambit shit is wicked...I want one! |
| 22:13.28 | Pkekyo | customs would prolly have my head if I tried to import one though |
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| 22:14.01 | Xinhuan | maybe that is because parrot and cowtip's author is fubar's author |
| 22:14.10 | ckknight | I know all! |
| 22:14.14 | stavmar_ | true but what about Main Assist and Violation? |
| 22:14.26 | stavmar_ | ckknight: does know all |
| 22:14.29 | Xinhuan | those authors decided to code it in ;p |
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| 22:14.39 | stavmar_ | lol Xinhuan ok |
| 22:14.47 | Xinhuan | otherwise, most fubar plugins are really created by other ppl for their favourite addon lol |
| 22:14.47 | ckknight | basically, you set FuBar as an optional dep instead of a dependency |
| 22:14.50 | ckknight | and you turn off LoD |
| 22:14.54 | Pkekyo | kergoth: got any experience with push blades? |
| 22:15.04 | stavmar_ | come to think of it BigWigs, Quartz are also have imbeded fubar addons |
| 22:15.39 | Jaxon | Quartz doesn't. |
| 22:15.40 | stavmar_ | ckknight: and automagically it appears on the fubar, brilliiant |
| 22:15.41 | kergoth | not really, though i've heard a lot of people say that little neck knives are useful to have, in case your usual knife is taken or you're being held.. should pick one up |
| 22:15.59 | CIA-14 | 03wiebbe * r47151 10BossWhisperer/ (. BossWhisperer.lua BossWhisperer.toc icon.tga): (log message trimmed) |
| 22:15.59 | CIA-14 | BossWhisperer: |
| 22:15.59 | CIA-14 | - Added the ability to turn incoming/outgoing messages on and off during an bossfight. |
| 22:15.59 | CIA-14 | - Added the ability to check for a boss if it was not found at combat start (like magtheridon) |
| 22:15.59 | CIA-14 | - Added the ability to read back the whispers players send you in a tooltip |
| 22:16.03 | CIA-14 | - Cleaned up the code |
| 22:16.04 | stavmar_ | oh yeah quartz i have to type in or use Niagra |
| 22:16.05 | CIA-14 | - Added fubar plugin |
| 22:16.13 | ckknight | kergoth: neck knives? |
| 22:16.21 | Gagorian | Any news on when 2.2 will be out? |
| 22:16.45 | Silowyi | Kergoth: I personally prefer steel-reinforced ball point pens. They are slightly more innocuous |
| 22:16.51 | Pkekyo | ckknight: http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/csstoreonline_1960_11798015 prolly this |
| 22:17.31 | kergoth | Silowyi: hehe, not a bad idea... except i always lose my pens |
| 22:17.37 | kergoth | i carry it and set it down somewhere, and never see it again |
| 22:17.38 | CIA-14 | 03sylvanaar * r47152 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/PlayerNames.lua: Prat: Left out the code that actually color's the players name and level using the information from the who query |
| 22:17.57 | stavmar_ | or this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerambit |
| 22:18.12 | Pkekyo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.18 | Silowyi | hmm |
| 22:19.40 | Silowyi | hypothetical situation |
| 22:19.55 | Silowyi | your guild is going to run Karazhan, you don't want to, so you tell them you have to go out to eat |
| 22:20.02 | Silowyi | then you remember that you have a Crystallized Darkrune |
| 22:20.23 | Silowyi | need an excuse so I can log back in for 45 minutes... |
| 22:20.26 | Xinhuan | whats a crystallized darkrune? |
| 22:20.33 | Jaxon | AFk 15 minutes, come back, do the Darkrune thing |
| 22:20.35 | Silowyi | actually, I'll just go out to eat :P |
| 22:20.39 | Jaxon | Xinhuan: Ogri'la event. |
| 22:20.46 | Xinhuan | oh i never did those T_T |
| 22:20.50 | Wiebbe | :> |
| 22:20.53 | *** part/#wowace Punkie` (n=~@host86-138-93-24.range86-138.btcentralplus.com) |
| 22:20.53 | Wiebbe | you get good gold for it |
| 22:20.56 | Wiebbe | and its alot of fun |
| 22:21.09 | Xinhuan | but i have a lot of gold already :) |
| 22:21.14 | Wiebbe | bah |
| 22:21.15 | Wiebbe | warlock? ;p |
| 22:21.20 | Xinhuan | i'm a mage |
| 22:21.24 | Wiebbe | same thing ^^ |
| 22:21.28 | Xinhuan | but that's not really relevant |
| 22:21.32 | Xinhuan | i earn from my professions |
| 22:21.34 | Wiebbe | although i have the best paladin farming spot in the game :P |
| 22:21.36 | Xinhuan | which is JC/Ench |
| 22:21.39 | Silowyi | hmm no ssh channel on freenode |
| 22:21.43 | Xinhuan | have every recipe in the game lol |
| 22:21.46 | Wiebbe | nice |
| 22:21.50 | Silowyi | anyone in here know how to set up an ssh account for sftp only? |
| 22:21.51 | ckknight | Silowyi: could be openssh? |
| 22:21.56 | Silowyi | oooh probably |
| 22:21.58 | Xinhuan | 300g a day easy, just sitting in IF! |
| 22:22.23 | Wiebbe | bastard |
| 22:22.30 | Wiebbe | they should make it you need Primals Nether :P |
| 22:22.48 | Xinhuan | i also have 340 heroic tokens |
| 22:22.50 | Xinhuan | and 19 nethers |
| 22:22.52 | Xinhuan | if that matters |
| 22:22.55 | Wiebbe | omg :> |
| 22:22.56 | Xinhuan | in my bank |
| 22:23.00 | Wiebbe | gief :( |
| 22:23.04 | Pkekyo | what's the us definition of 'conceiled weapon'? |
| 22:23.05 | Xinhuan | and 27 exalted factions :) |
| 22:23.33 | Xinhuan | just never did ogrila |
| 22:23.35 | Xinhuan | maybe i should |
| 22:24.01 | ckknight | Pkekyo: typically a weapon on your person or in your possession that is not visible to the eye on first glance |
| 22:24.15 | kergoth | knife laws are messed up |
| 22:24.19 | ckknight | true |
| 22:24.28 | kergoth | totally inconsistent between states, and some are just screwed up |
| 22:24.44 | kergoth | you can carry a handgun in some states, but not a knife over 3" or something |
| 22:24.47 | kergoth | just stupid |
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| 22:25.19 | Xinhuan | i believe a handgun requires a liscense of some sort? |
| 22:25.21 | Xinhuan | while a knife doesn't? |
| 22:25.25 | Pkekyo | but if I carry a katana on my back it's cool? |
| 22:25.30 | Wiebbe | rofl |
| 22:25.33 | Wiebbe | a katana ^^ |
| 22:25.49 | Xinhuan | or do you need approval from the state to be able to walk around with a katana? |
| 22:26.08 | Wiebbe | Here in holland you can carry a knife/sword only if its not recognisable as such and its not allowed to be used :P |
| 22:26.11 | Pkekyo | my mate once ran around outside the police station with a katana - and masked ofc |
| 22:26.23 | Silowyi | You can buy a machette off the shelf for $5 at walmart |
| 22:26.38 | Silowyi | so no liscense in Texas for knives at least |
| 22:26.45 | Silowyi | but don't take it into a liquor store |
| 22:26.46 | Pkekyo | Wiebbe: so this'd be ok to carry? http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/csstoreonline_1960_11798015 |
| 22:27.02 | Wiebbe | you can carry it, but if you use it youre screwed |
| 22:27.08 | Wiebbe | so no need to carry it i guess :P |
| 22:27.16 | Wiebbe | and i suppose you need a reason to carry it ;p |
| 22:27.32 | Wiebbe | you cant have it on you for "security" |
| 22:27.46 | Xinhuan | but you can have a handgun for security. |
| 22:27.50 | Wiebbe | lol |
| 22:27.52 | Wiebbe | not in holland |
| 22:27.59 | Wiebbe | only the police force and the army is armed |
| 22:28.02 | Wiebbe | or supposed to be armed |
| 22:28.05 | Silowyi | Pkekyo: I believe the rational is that its much easier to mortally kill someone at a distance, without thinking about it with a gun |
| 22:28.13 | Pkekyo | Wiebbe: how 'bout a machete if you're a carpenter? :> |
| 22:28.18 | ckknight | ugh, that seems horrid, Wiebbe |
| 22:28.23 | ckknight | <3 second amendment |
| 22:28.26 | Wiebbe | haha |
| 22:28.28 | Wiebbe | not really |
| 22:28.41 | Wiebbe | the good thing is that if someone does have a gun, you know to run because its a "bad guy" |
| 22:28.47 | Wiebbe | but i guess its how you are raised with it |
| 22:28.50 | Wiebbe | i wouldnt think of it |
| 22:28.55 | Silowyi | see now |
| 22:28.59 | Silowyi | Israel has the right idea |
| 22:29.01 | Wiebbe | Pkekyo, haha, i used to fence |
| 22:29.02 | ckknight | bad guys have guns |
| 22:29.07 | ckknight | and good guys don't, then |
| 22:29.08 | kergoth | i think i should be able to carry any knife i want as long as its not concealed |
| 22:29.10 | Wiebbe | so i had an rapier with me on the streets |
| 22:29.13 | Silowyi | they had people blowing up school classrooms and such all the time |
| 22:29.15 | ckknight | guess who has the power in that case? |
| 22:29.21 | kergoth | if i want to carry a sword, i should be able to.. the bouncers at the bar might not let me in, but.. |
| 22:29.24 | Silowyi | then they decided to let teachers bring guns to school |
| 22:29.30 | Wiebbe | if it showed the handle of the rapier i would get a fine |
| 22:29.34 | Wiebbe | but if i only show the blade its ok |
| 22:29.37 | Pkekyo | kergoth: walking around the mall with a broadsword over your shoulder? :> |
| 22:29.41 | Chompers | can i legally carry a large 2 handed sword on my back? |
| 22:29.43 | Wiebbe | because people cant identify it as a weapon :P |
| 22:29.46 | ckknight | Silowyi: nice |
| 22:29.47 | Chompers | that'd be awesome |
| 22:29.48 | dreamss | no |
| 22:29.49 | kergoth | Chompers: sadly, no |
| 22:29.54 | Chompers | bastards! |
| 22:29.56 | kergoth | Wiebbe: hah, odd |
| 22:29.58 | dreamss | it is a knife |
| 22:29.59 | dreamss | heh |
| 22:30.01 | dreamss | huge knife |
| 22:30.03 | dreamss | :P |
| 22:30.09 | Wiebbe | ckknight, ah well, the fact guns here are hard to come by is good :P |
| 22:30.10 | Xinhuan | its hard to define what a "knife" is |
| 22:30.17 | kergoth | be like hero protagonist from that book.. |
| 22:30.19 | Silowyi | If one of those teachers had a gun in their desk at Columbine, things might have gone differently... but then again in America, students would probably steal the guns if they knew they were there :P |
| 22:30.20 | Xinhuan | at what point does a "knife" become a "sword"? |
| 22:30.21 | kergoth | hiro, whatever |
| 22:30.22 | Wiebbe | ofcourse everyone can get one if the really want too ^^ |
| 22:30.25 | ckknight | well, can't they be shipped in? |
| 22:30.27 | ckknight | right. |
| 22:30.30 | Xinhuan | and a "blade" a "knife"? |
| 22:30.47 | dreamss | knife dagger sword |
| 22:30.50 | dreamss | diff things |
| 22:30.51 | Wiebbe | i think you can get a permit to own a gun, but you have to carry it locked up with you in a case or something |
| 22:30.56 | Pkekyo | soeh... what do I have to do to be allowed to walk 'round town with a broadsword? |
| 22:31.00 | Wiebbe | you are only allowed to shoot it at shooting ranges |
| 22:31.03 | kergoth | i think its amusing that a lot of the knife laws still say you can carry knives that are usually illegal if you're traveling |
| 22:31.04 | Silowyi | One time in class, the teacher couldn't get the projection screen up to use the chalkboard |
| 22:31.11 | Xinhuan | i could argue that a sword is just a really long dagger, can't i? |
| 22:31.12 | kergoth | i guess so you dont get attacked by bandits or something while haeding west? :P |
| 22:31.24 | Silowyi | cause the teacher before him had knotted the little pull-cord to the base of the chalkboard |
| 22:31.34 | Silowyi | so he was like "Does anyone have a knife or something to cut this with?" |
| 22:31.36 | Silowyi | no one moved |
| 22:31.42 | kergoth | hahah |
| 22:31.43 | Pkekyo | lmfao |
| 22:31.46 | dreamss | if i carried around a sword i would be worried if ppl wanted to duel me |
| 22:31.47 | kergoth | thats awesome |
| 22:31.48 | Silowyi | so then he goes "Ok, if you have a knife, I promise I won't tell." |
| 22:31.48 | dreamss | :P |
| 22:31.52 | Chompers | i imagine you'd feel alot saver carrying a gun around |
| 22:31.53 | kergoth | hahah |
| 22:31.55 | Silowyi | and like 6 guys stood up |
| 22:31.56 | dreamss | like other ppl with swords |
| 22:32.00 | Chompers | if you had the proper training to use it |
| 22:32.08 | Wiebbe | i dont know about that Chompers |
| 22:32.13 | Chompers | *safer |
| 22:32.21 | dreamss | then u cant carry it chomp, becomes a letal weapon :P |
| 22:32.23 | kergoth | a knief can be a useful thing, but its not a relpacement for a gun, not if other people have them |
| 22:32.24 | ckknight | lol, Silowyi |
| 22:32.30 | Wiebbe | if i had the ability to get a gun, i know "smaller" criminals would have the abilityh as well |
| 22:32.38 | Pkekyo | Chompers: problem is, if you carry a gun and something happens, there's a big chance you'll actually have to use it...same goes for knives |
| 22:32.43 | Wiebbe | kinda events out :P |
| 22:32.51 | Silowyi | ckknight: The size of some of those knifes was rather ridiculous too :P |
| 22:32.53 | kergoth | i lived in texas for a while.. it was funny how many buildings had signs saying you couldnt bring your concealed guns onto the premises |
| 22:32.54 | dreamss | i think its more manly to kill someone with a sword than with a gun |
| 22:32.56 | dreamss | hehe |
| 22:32.59 | kergoth | cause so many people have them there |
| 22:32.59 | ckknight | Silowyi: huge or small? |
| 22:33.08 | Wiebbe | kergoth, but if they werent concealed, was it allowed then? |
| 22:33.13 | Silowyi | Ckknight: ever see Crocodile Dundee? |
| 22:33.16 | Pkekyo | kergoth: so if you pull out your gun and walk into the store...? |
| 22:33.22 | ckknight | that's not a knife, that's a spoon |
| 22:33.24 | Chompers | dreamss: teeth>knives |
| 22:33.26 | kergoth | i guess you're supposed to leave it in the car or something |
| 22:33.30 | Pkekyo | - and you just happen to wear a ski mask 'cause it's cold outside? :> |
| 22:33.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:33.36 | Wiebbe | you leave your gun in the car ? o_O |
| 22:33.37 | dreamss | chomp, true |
| 22:33.47 | dreamss | u can carry it on the trunk |
| 22:33.53 | ckknight | dreamss: I think it's more manly to kill someone through strangulation is the best way to kill someone |
| 22:33.56 | dreamss | not inside |
| 22:33.57 | kergoth | i wouldnt mind a lot of the laws if they were just consistent. |
| 22:34.08 | dreamss | and unloaded |
| 22:34.09 | Silowyi | ckknight: pure strength. |
| 22:34.15 | Chompers | i carry my gun with me at all times...IN MY PANTS...awwww yeah |
| 22:34.16 | Pkekyo | when you get a gun permit, what range of weaponry does it allow you to carry? |
| 22:34.20 | ckknight | it's more about determination, Silowyi |
| 22:34.25 | Wiebbe | m16's! |
| 22:34.25 | Wiebbe | ;p |
| 22:34.28 | ckknight | also the fact that it takes a minimum of 2 minutes |
| 22:34.29 | dreamss | just the gun u buy pk |
| 22:34.31 | Silowyi | ckknight: true, it takes a while |
| 22:34.42 | kergoth | its interestign whats defined as an illegal knife in some of the state laws |
| 22:34.42 | Wiebbe | you need a permit for each gun you own? |
| 22:34.42 | dreamss | u buy a permit for the gun |
| 22:34.44 | ckknight | because it takes a while, you have to be determined |
| 22:34.57 | Wiebbe | i see |
| 22:34.57 | Pkekyo | dreamss: so, in theory, you could walk 'round town with an m16 on your back? |
| 22:35.02 | dreamss | only police/military are allowed to use automatics |
| 22:35.13 | Pkekyo | m16 is semi/burst only, no? |
| 22:35.14 | Wiebbe | well, i think those are "single-shot" only Pkekyo |
| 22:35.27 | Wiebbe | no they are the same, just changed to only shoot single shots |
| 22:35.28 | Pkekyo | m4 though is semi/auto iirc |
| 22:35.30 | dreamss | maybe private security but not sure how it works |
| 22:35.34 | Xinhuan | m16 has a auto mode |
| 22:35.39 | Xinhuan | i've used one before |
| 22:35.39 | Wiebbe | i know there was some stuff about companies selling Auto mode kits |
| 22:35.45 | Wiebbe | so you could restore it to certain guns |
| 22:35.51 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.52 | dreamss | asualt riffles are a nono |
| 22:36.07 | Wiebbe | benchmade folder? |
| 22:36.23 | dreamss | dude there is an addon shotgun for the m16 |
| 22:36.23 | kergoth | benchmade is a brand |
| 22:36.30 | dreamss | u can have m16 and shotgun in one gun |
| 22:36.31 | dreamss | lol |
| 22:36.58 | dreamss | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM26_Lightweight_Shotgun_System |
| 22:37.02 | dreamss | fucking badass |
| 22:37.05 | Pkekyo | I remember some kid being spotted with an m4 bb gun he hadn't concealed properly...the police's anti terrorism squad hunted the poor kid down |
| 22:37.15 | dreamss | airsoft ftw |
| 22:37.23 | Wiebbe | does your other hand handle the second trigger? |
| 22:37.37 | dreamss | think so |
| 22:37.40 | Wiebbe | bb guns are on air pressure right? |
| 22:37.52 | kergoth | mine's similiar to http://www.benchmade.com/products/product_detail.aspx?model=MWG+5000-702 |
| 22:37.53 | Xinhuan | its a bit hard to aim if your other hand isn't on the barrel |
| 22:37.55 | Xinhuan | for a rifle |
| 22:37.56 | dreamss | shotgun is automatic its fun |
| 22:38.06 | Pkekyo | Wiebbe: air pressure, gas pressure |
| 22:38.11 | dreamss | Wiebbe, air/co2 |
| 22:38.18 | Wiebbe | co2 :> |
| 22:38.25 | Wiebbe | thats alot of pressure |
| 22:38.27 | dreamss | there some that are spring loaded |
| 22:38.31 | dreamss | air is gas :P |
| 22:38.33 | Wiebbe | i know my mom owned a spring loaded bb-gun |
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| 22:38.46 | Wiebbe | which i though was pretty cool ^^ |
| 22:38.52 | dreamss | spring>air in terms of reload speed/strenth |
| 22:38.58 | dreamss | pump/co2 are crap |
| 22:39.06 | Wiebbe | pff |
| 22:39.06 | Wiebbe | i was 11 or so |
| 22:39.11 | Wiebbe | i almost couldnt handle the spring ^^ |
| 22:39.22 | Pkekyo | co2 bb guns are fucking insane....trust me, some dickwad shot me with a glock |
| 22:39.32 | Pkekyo | Wiebbe: don't think so... I'd imagine you'd use the magazine as a 2nd grip when using the shotgun attachment...using one finger to pull off that attachment looks like it's dangerous |
| 22:39.36 | Wiebbe | oh, you arent allowe dto have BB guns that look like real guns here :P |
| 22:39.39 | kergoth | wait, there it is.. http://www.benchmade.com/products/product_detail.aspx?model=553 mine's the sbk |
| 22:39.39 | Wiebbe | atleast on you ^^ |
| 22:40.04 | Pkekyo | Wiebbe: well that just takes the whole fun out of it |
| 22:40.21 | Wiebbe | haha, otherwise you could just pretend it was a real one :P |
| 22:40.30 | Wiebbe | they have to have some bright red colour or something |
| 22:40.50 | Wiebbe | kergoth, you carry that on you at all times? |
| 22:40.56 | Pkekyo | 'round here people use to have huge airsoft skirmishes... |
| 22:40.56 | Pkekyo | rifles, sidearms, basecamps, camouflage outfits, missions with several objectives and such... |
| 22:41.27 | Pkekyo | that one looks ace, kergoth |
| 22:41.57 | kergoth | Wiebbe: yep |
| 22:42.12 | kergoth | some people at work look at me funny if i have to take it out, but 90% of the time if i forget to carry it, i end up needing it |
| 22:42.14 | kergoth | stupid murphy |
| 22:42.22 | Pkekyo | kergoth: where? pockets, shoes? |
| 22:42.48 | kergoth | the clip is at the base of the knife by default, not at the blade, so i carry it inside the pocket. with the clip that way dont need to flip it when you take it out |
| 22:43.35 | Wiebbe | lol i just looked it up |
| 22:43.39 | Wiebbe | if you want to own a gun yourself |
| 22:43.46 | Wiebbe | you HAVE to be part of a shooting range club |
| 22:43.54 | Wiebbe | and only after you have been a member for atleast 1 year |
| 22:43.57 | kergoth | thats pretty silly |
| 22:44.12 | kergoth | i can see requiring extensive training and a certain # of visits to a range or something, but requiring a membership? |
| 22:44.15 | Wiebbe | in the first year you can only shoot with the guns from the shooting range |
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| 22:44.23 | Wiebbe | yep |
| 22:44.47 | Pkekyo | 6lbs = ? kg? |
| 22:45.01 | Tornhoof | *0.4 more or less |
| 22:45.02 | Wiebbe | and every year they will check if you are still member of the club :P |
| 22:45.03 | Kaydeethree | google |
| 22:45.28 | Kaydeethree | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=6+pounds+in+kilograms&btnG=Google+Search |
| 22:45.46 | Pkekyo | I've gotta get myself a twohanded sword |
| 22:46.00 | Wiebbe | oh right |
| 22:46.06 | Wiebbe | Self-defense weapons are illegal as well |
| 22:46.09 | Wiebbe | tazers or pepper spray |
| 22:46.12 | kergoth | wtf |
| 22:46.13 | stavmar_ | sylvanaar: is there some reason my main chat window resets everytime i log on and why the shadow toggle is unchecked every time i log on even though i have it checked in the Prat settings? |
| 22:46.16 | kergoth | where are you at? |
| 22:46.19 | Wiebbe | holland |
| 22:46.23 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 22:46.25 | Wiebbe | but we can buy weed legally! :P |
| 22:46.49 | Wiebbe | bah |
| 22:46.52 | kergoth | ah! so the muggers are likely high, could you distract them with munchies? |
| 22:46.52 | Pkekyo | Wiebbe: I was going to mention that...ridiculous |
| 22:46.54 | kergoth | :P |
| 22:46.55 | Wiebbe | hand grenades are illegal as well |
| 22:46.56 | Wiebbe | :P |
| 22:47.24 | Pkekyo | when in holland: always bring a box of cheerios in case you get mugged |
| 22:47.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:47.59 | Wiebbe | ^^ |
| 22:48.13 | Wiebbe | ive got to admin, it sucks not really being able to defend yourself ^^ |
| 22:48.23 | Wiebbe | beyond any martial arts :> |
| 22:48.42 | kergoth | i need to take up martial arts again, i've become a fatass |
| 22:49.24 | Pkekyo | here methinks you can carry a blade as long as it's no longer than 1.5" |
| 22:49.28 | RaydenUni | why would two different sig generators not work? |
| 22:49.35 | RaydenUni | did something change with the armory? |
| 22:49.40 | Wiebbe | that could be RaydenUni |
| 22:49.45 | Wiebbe | alot of people have it at the moment |
| 22:49.55 | RaydenUni | http://jebus.geek.nz/WoW/armory/ AND http://sigs.guildlaunch.net/ |
| 22:50.01 | RaydenUni | a lot of people have what? |
| 22:50.03 | Wiebbe | cool |
| 22:50.08 | Wiebbe | broken sigs? :> |
| 22:50.16 | Wiebbe | you cant even have Ammo in your house |
| 22:50.29 | Wiebbe | because ammo falls under weapons category 3! |
| 22:50.49 | sylvanaar | hes gone now i can say "to annoy you as much as possible" |
| 22:50.51 | Pkekyo | Wiebbe: what weapons category does table spoons fall under? |
| 22:51.11 | kergoth | i bet spoons are fine, but sporks cross the line |
| 22:51.19 | Wiebbe | Category 4 Pkekyo |
| 22:51.28 | Wiebbe | All weapons that can be used as weapons but arent ment for that |
| 22:51.39 | Wiebbe | Like table knives and Baseball bats |
| 22:51.39 | Pkekyo | christ |
| 22:51.42 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:51.53 | Wiebbe | But those arent illegal to carry on you actually :P |
| 22:52.02 | Wiebbe | only categories 1 till 3 are ^^ |
| 22:52.10 | Pkekyo | so...if I bludgeon someone to death with a nasal spray dispenser...? |
| 22:52.30 | Wiebbe | the lame part here was that we are never allowed to carry a loaded gun |
| 22:52.36 | nevcairiel | you can stab people with a pencil |
| 22:52.41 | RaydenUni | silly superficial discussion time: if i can display 5 sig stats for my PVE shadow priest what shuld they be? |
| 22:52.41 | nevcairiel | so ban them! |
| 22:52.44 | RaydenUni | !c us destromath raydenuni |
| 22:52.52 | Wiebbe | but when some american offical came here, the "bodybuards" were allowed to carry :( |
| 22:53.07 | Pkekyo | firearms cat 1 |
| 22:53.07 | Pkekyo | blades cat 2 |
| 22:53.07 | Pkekyo | 'less lethal' and ammo cat 3 |
| 22:53.07 | Pkekyo | ? |
| 22:53.14 | Wiebbe | Well, wanna hear something very funny? |
| 22:53.20 | Wiebbe | something like that, lemme translate |
| 22:55.03 | Wiebbe | Category 1: Unwanted non-firearms, like stiletto's, throwing knives, butterflyknives, boxing bracers, catapults, arrows with cutting edges. This also includes toy guns and bb guns which look like real guns that much they could be used to threaten someone. |
| 22:55.16 | kergoth | catapults? |
| 22:55.18 | kergoth | lmao |
| 22:55.42 | kergoth | does that count trebuchets? lets build one of those instead |
| 22:55.49 | Wiebbe | Catergory 2: Military weapons, including fully automtic firearms and hand granades. Also includes objects with poisinous, defenseless making or tear creating materials like pepperspray, |
| 22:56.10 | Wiebbe | Category 3: Pistols, revolvers and rifles. Alarm pistols and throwing knives. |
| 22:56.15 | Wiebbe | (again throwing knives?) |
| 22:56.18 | Pkekyo | someone remind me, what american state was it that had a restriction on how many Death Stars one could own? |
| 22:56.37 | Pkekyo | Wiebbe: alarm pistols? |
| 22:57.03 | kergoth | what qualifies as a stiletto, any knife thats double edged? |
| 22:57.23 | Wiebbe | Category 4: Blank weapons (Knives), swords, rapiers, weapon sticks, bb guns, harpoons and crossbows. Also objects that are not ment to be used as weapon but can be used as a weapon. for example: a baseball bat at a riot, or a kitchen knife during an fight. |
| 22:57.23 | Pkekyo | probably |
| 22:57.29 | Wiebbe | i have no idea :P |
| 22:57.35 | kergoth | most knives can be thrown, does a regular knife that i know how to throw count as cat 1? |
| 22:57.38 | Wiebbe | yes, alarm pistols, the pistols you have at boats |
| 22:57.42 | kergoth | i know a kabar can be thrown, but isnt designed for it |
| 22:57.51 | Wiebbe | Now for the fun stuff |
| 22:57.53 | Pkekyo | Wiebbe: flare guns? |
| 22:57.57 | Wiebbe | yes |
| 22:57.59 | Wiebbe | thats the word |
| 22:58.00 | Mecdemort_afk | A stiletto is a short dagger, with a narrow, hollow grind blade with a triangular cross-section. This dagger is designed as a stabbing weapon rather than for cutting, since it doesn't have a sharp edge, and because its narrow shape allows it to penetrate deeply in a point. |
| 22:58.12 | Wiebbe | In holland there is a rule where you have to you "equal" force to disable an attacker |
| 22:58.17 | kergoth | ah, right |
| 22:58.27 | Wiebbe | For example, (this is real) a guy happened to see someone breaking in his car |
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| 22:58.35 | kergoth | its silly that they attack throwing knives specifically imo. a knife is a knife |
| 22:58.45 | Wiebbe | so he gets his baseball bat, hits the burgler, and puts the guy in his trunk |
| 22:58.50 | Wiebbe | he drives to the police station |
| 22:58.56 | Wiebbe | and guess what? gets arrested :P |
| 22:59.04 | kergoth | thats fucked up |
| 22:59.11 | Pkekyo | equal force? ie, if some guy bitchslaps while attempting to rob you, you can't do anything but try slapping him back? |
| 22:59.13 | Wiebbe | The burgler didnt use any force, so he used excessive force on him |
| 22:59.14 | Mecdemort_afk | throwing knives are distinctly different than just any old knife |
| 22:59.20 | kergoth | not everyone has the training to use minimal force |
| 22:59.24 | Wiebbe | Pkekyo, basicly yes.. |
| 22:59.31 | Pkekyo | lmfao |
| 22:59.40 | Pkekyo | if someone is jacking my car, they're in for a beating |
| 22:59.41 | kergoth | Mecdemort_afk: any well balanced knife, especially double edged, can be thrown effectively. |
| 22:59.51 | Wiebbe | yep, you can slap him a couple of times |
| 22:59.56 | Wiebbe | but if you beat them you are doing wrong -_- |
| 23:00.16 | Wiebbe | thats the problem here now a days.. |
| 23:00.21 | Pkekyo | that's a fucking joke |
| 23:00.34 | Wiebbe | its happening more often that we have "useless violence" as they call it |
| 23:00.46 | Pkekyo | it's legal to smoke, buy and sell weed, but you can't knock down some jackoff stealing your car? |
| 23:01.04 | Wiebbe | for example, 2 guys were driving on a scooter (sort of a motor) and had loud music on, a guy said something about it, so they got off and beat him to death |
| 23:01.07 | Wiebbe | nothing new there.. |
| 23:01.17 | Wiebbe | the bad thing was that like 15 people were watching it.. |
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| 23:01.40 | Pkekyo | - and couldn't intervene without getting arrested...? |
| 23:01.48 | Wiebbe | Well, basicly two things |
| 23:01.58 | Wiebbe | they were scared, ie the guys were like 17 year old and aggresive |
| 23:02.24 | Wiebbe | and if you do help them you need to be aggresive too, and people might be afraid for repurcisisons |
| 23:02.28 | Wiebbe | or however you type that ;p |
| 23:02.37 | Pkekyo | such a fucking joke |
| 23:02.41 | ckknight | repercussions |
| 23:02.43 | Wiebbe | honestly, i would know what i would do |
| 23:02.49 | Wiebbe | if i saw 5 guys beating up 1 guy |
| 23:02.55 | Wiebbe | without me having any weapons |
| 23:02.55 | ckknight | call the cops |
| 23:02.59 | ckknight | :-P |
| 23:03.03 | ckknight | I have a cell phone |
| 23:03.03 | Wiebbe | haha true ^^ |
| 23:03.21 | Wiebbe | i did that once, at school. Break up a fight |
| 23:03.26 | kergoth | its like wow! dont run into 5 alliance in a bg by yourself :P |
| 23:03.27 | Wiebbe | i ended up being kicked the crap out |
| 23:03.44 | Pkekyo | Wiebbe: I'd steal a car, run them over and said they were using excessive force when trying to stop me from stealing the car! :p |
| 23:03.45 | Wiebbe | last time i did that :P |
| 23:03.53 | Wiebbe | haha ^^ |
| 23:03.58 | Wiebbe | well, one thing that will boggle your minds |
| 23:04.03 | kergoth | http://boingboing.net/images/is_it_fucked.png |
| 23:04.11 | Wiebbe | around 13 years ago there were some very heavy riots after a soccer match |
| 23:04.27 | Wiebbe | one fan of the winning team was beaten to death by a group of 15 or so |
| 23:04.39 | Wiebbe | Now, they knew who the ones beating the fan were and arrested them |
| 23:04.59 | Wiebbe | you would imagine they all get the penalty for man slaughter right? |
| 23:05.23 | Wiebbe | We dont have jury;s here, just 1 or more jugdes |
| 23:05.29 | Pkekyo | same here |
| 23:05.30 | Wiebbe | They all gave them like 15 months |
| 23:05.43 | Wiebbe | because they didnt know who gave the kick that killed the victim -_- |
| 23:05.53 | kergoth | damn, thats stupid |
| 23:05.58 | Wiebbe | no kidding |
| 23:06.15 | Wiebbe | it makes me gouge my eyes out |
| 23:06.18 | kergoth | who cares who got the killing blow, thats not the point |
| 23:06.30 | kergoth | hehe, killing blow.. thinking gaming again |
| 23:06.30 | Wiebbe | thats what like the entire population said |
| 23:06.31 | Pkekyo | indeed, you still get the honorable kill! :P |
| 23:06.31 | Wiebbe | :P |
| 23:06.32 | kergoth | :P |
| 23:06.36 | Wiebbe | haha ;p |
| 23:06.54 | Wiebbe | i dont think it has happened again after that one case |
| 23:07.08 | Wiebbe | but its stuff like that that makes me question our law system sometimes.. |
| 23:07.35 | kergoth | every legal system is stupid like that, just in different ways |
| 23:08.15 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 23:08.26 | Pkekyo | oh well, I'm off...school in 3-4 hours...need a little sleep |
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| 23:09.28 | NeoTron | other than the current solarian are there any AR fights in the game? |
| 23:09.36 | Wiebbe | Curator! |
| 23:09.38 | Wiebbe | :P |
| 23:09.41 | NeoTron | well... no :P |
| 23:09.59 | Wiebbe | I think it was intended as a AR fight |
| 23:10.02 | NeoTron | getting > 500 AR for a fight that changes in 2 weeks maybe... expensive |
| 23:10.11 | Wiebbe | 500 :> |
| 23:10.13 | NeoTron | well we used some AR soakers initially |
| 23:10.19 | Tornhoof | 200 max |
| 23:10.22 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47153 10Joker/LibJokerConfig-1.0/LibJokerConfig-1.0.lua: LibJokerConfig-1.0 - add mechanism for Joker's addon system and any mixins to provide options to objects with :GetEmbedJokerConfigOptions(addon) |
| 23:10.22 | Tornhoof | 160 max |
| 23:10.27 | kergoth | heh, my casual guild is on curator... i tried it for the first time with my rogue.. man that blew. 90% of the time me running around resulted in me being a bridge for the chain lightning to hit the casters |
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| 23:10.33 | Wiebbe | LibJoker? |
| 23:10.35 | Wiebbe | wtf :> |
| 23:10.43 | NeoTron | kergoth: everyone stand in one spot |
| 23:10.52 | NeoTron | the lighting hits only 3 ppl so it is completely irrelevant |
| 23:10.58 | Wiebbe | Curator was very hard at the start :P |
| 23:11.03 | NeoTron | waste a shitton of time if you try to spread out |
| 23:11.04 | Wiebbe | now i cant even imagine why it was hard |
| 23:11.08 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47154 10Joker/LibJoker-1.0/LibJoker-1.0.lua: |
| 23:11.08 | CIA-14 | LibJoker-1.0 - bugfix |
| 23:11.08 | CIA-14 | - export the option to enable/disable an addon. |
| 23:11.18 | ckknight | Wiebbe: what? |
| 23:11.21 | NeoTron | and you need >500 AR because of the AR debuff |
| 23:11.28 | Wiebbe | That i have no idea what it is ckknight ^^ |
| 23:11.32 | Wiebbe | now i need to check it out |
| 23:11.32 | NeoTron | need to have 365 o better for the duration basically |
| 23:11.36 | Wiebbe | to see what it does :P |
| 23:11.38 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Joker |
| 23:11.42 | ckknight | it's an addon framework |
| 23:11.44 | ckknight | like Ace2 |
| 23:11.57 | kergoth | heh, guess i should get some resistance gear crafted at some point |
| 23:12.00 | Tinhay | Does that mean we can expect a Pitbull Aura rewrite soon? ;) |
| 23:12.08 | NeoTron | kergoth: for curator no one needs it |
| 23:12.15 | NeoTron | key is to kill him faster |
| 23:12.28 | ckknight | Tinhay: perhaps |
| 23:12.32 | NeoTron | with kara level gear (up to that point) no more than 2 evokations and he's dead |
| 23:12.44 | kergoth | who on the adds? |
| 23:12.47 | NeoTron | with our level gear, even with alts, we never go beyond 1 |
| 23:12.58 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:13.03 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07Joker * r47155 10CowTip/CowTip/ (CowTip.lua Fade/Fade.lua): CowTip - bugfix for Joker systems. |
| 23:13.25 | NeoTron | if you have a prot OT, put him on curator too |
| 23:13.36 | NeoTron | then put 1-2 dps on curator at all time |
| 23:13.43 | NeoTron | typically hunter/lock or so |
| 23:13.47 | NeoTron | shadow priest is good too |
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| 23:14.04 | Wiebbe | yeh, we kill him during the first evocation now a days |
| 23:14.05 | NeoTron | then put EVERYONE except the MT/OT in one spot basically right outside melee range |
| 23:14.09 | Wiebbe | if we dont run with alts that is |
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| 23:14.23 | kergoth | that makes sense, at least you wouldnt have to chase the adds that way, itd be at least predictable |
| 23:14.26 | NeoTron | so rogues don't have to run around chasing bolts |
| 23:14.37 | NeoTron | and heal the raid with PoM and renews |
| 23:14.43 | NeoTron | it's REALLY easy to heal the damage from the bolts |
| 23:14.53 | NeoTron | use concentration aura for casters if possible |
| 23:15.00 | Wiebbe | dont forget NeoTron, if you dont have the gear its a VERY mana intensive fight :P |
| 23:15.09 | NeoTron | Wiebbe: it isn't though |
| 23:15.15 | NeoTron | it only is if you do it a slow way |
| 23:15.23 | NeoTron | it's not man intensive if he dies in two evocations |
| 23:15.48 | NeoTron | like if you have everyone on the adds at all time and spread out |
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| 23:15.54 | NeoTron | then yes you'll have mana issues... |
| 23:16.05 | Mecdemort | is there an easy way to update a bunch of SVNd addons to head without externals, without doing it individally for all? |
| 23:16.07 | NeoTron | basically if you use the "typical" strat |
| 23:17.10 | JoshBorke | cowtip uses joker? |
| 23:17.18 | kergoth | JoshBorke: that wast he joker branch of cowtip |
| 23:17.18 | ckknight | JoshBorke: I made a branch |
| 23:17.28 | ckknight | it works and all |
| 23:17.47 | ckknight | alright, time to go |
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| 23:23.05 | NightHawkAtWork | win.. http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1096/2137a9950nf3.jpg |
| 23:24.07 | Mecdemort | lol |
| 23:24.44 | CIA-14 | 03deccard * r47156 10MiniChat/Core.lua: |
| 23:24.44 | CIA-14 | MiniChat: |
| 23:24.44 | CIA-14 | - positions are now saved after chat window drags instead of while min-/maximizing |
| 23:24.51 | stavmar_ | Antiarc: you there? |
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| 23:37.59 | ckknight_ | hey all |
| 23:38.20 | ulic | wb |
| 23:42.05 | ckknight | wow, it took over 20 minutes for it to log me off after I D/C'd |
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| 23:43.24 | ulic | is cowtip the only jokerized addon so far? |
| 23:44.40 | Keias | Joker is still very early in dev isn't it? |
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| 23:45.01 | ulic | don't know about very early, but yea, too early to really develop on probably. |
| 23:45.05 | ulic | I was just curious. |
| 23:45.30 | CIA-14 | 03deccard * r47157 10MiniChat/Core.lua: |
| 23:45.30 | CIA-14 | MiniChat: |
| 23:45.30 | CIA-14 | - new option to change the distance between attached chat windows |
| 23:45.54 | ckknight | ulic: yes, it is |
| 23:46.08 | ckknight | I converted it to Joker cause it's one of my smaller addons, converting didn't take long |
| 23:46.51 | kergoth | NeoTron: thanks for the advice on curator, not sure if they got him down last night or not, but i'll see if i can convince them to try that tactic next time we get there :) |
| 23:48.27 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07Joker * r47158 10DogTag-1.0/LibDogTag-1.0/LibDogTag-1.0.lua: LibDogTag-1.0 - change argChecks into manual checks |
| 23:48.48 | ckknight | I'm still contemplating adding contracts to Joker |
| 23:49.00 | ckknight | it'd make the bug report process more complex, though. |
| 23:49.12 | kergoth | they're nice in theory.. |
| 23:49.13 | Ominous | contracts? |
| 23:49.31 | ckknight | yea, having methods satisfy pre and post conditions |
| 23:49.45 | ckknight | if I add em in, all arg checking can go into the preconditional |
| 23:49.52 | ckknight | which users wouldn't run, only devs would run |
| 23:50.06 | ckknight | but if users run into problems, their bug reports wouldn't match unless they turned on the contracts. |
| 23:51.26 | ckknight | on the upside, if everything works, then users wouldn't run the pre/post-conditionals, which would save CPU usage |
| 23:51.54 | Ominous | sounds good, |
| 23:53.09 | ckknight | I could also provide functions such as argCheck that way, currently AceLibrary is blamed for a lot of CPU usage, since argCheck is called like 100 times a frame in heavy situations |
| 23:55.23 | kergoth | use a precondition function generator? supply your conditions and itd return/set the contract? |
| 23:55.25 | Nandini | does anyone know an example of an addon which transforms (not just clips) a texture using SetTexCoord? i'm having some problems with my linear algebra doing matrix math :) |
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| 23:56.31 | Jaxon | Christ, Armory is a lot smoother now that it seems they've got it on its own hardware. |
| 23:56.44 | ckknight | kergoth: yep |
| 23:56.48 | JoshBorke | contract? what is that? |
| 23:56.50 | ckknight | kergoth: I have the code already |
| 23:57.00 | JoshBorke | i think i understand |
| 23:57.02 | ckknight | JoshBorke: go up like 15 lines |
| 23:57.09 | JoshBorke | but how would that work? |
| 23:57.12 | mikma | http://www.kuvaton.com/kuvei/emo_soap.jpg |
| 23:57.39 | kergoth | http://people.cs.uchicago.edu/~robby/contract-reading-list/ looks like it might have some useful info |
| 23:57.39 | ckknight | lemme post my code |
| 23:57.53 | ckknight | why is pastey.net so slow recently? |
| 23:57.56 | kergoth | ckknight: you using a proxy object to implement the contracts, or wrapping and replacing the methods? |
| 23:58.03 | ckknight | wrapping |
| 23:59.12 | ckknight | contract lib with example: http://pastebin.com/d3a0710b0 |
| 23:59.14 | kergoth | cool |
| 23:59.25 | kergoth | heh, i remember reading http://people.cs.uchicago.edu/~robby/contract-reading-list/behavioral-subtyping.ps a long time ago |
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