| 00:00.16 | Diao | dreamchat? |
| 00:00.22 | Diao | http://files.wowace.com/DreamChat |
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| 00:00.40 | Teromus | . Time to go hide in a corner for being stupid |
| 00:04.19 | RaydenUni | dreamchat is dead? alternatives? |
| 00:04.46 | AKX | Well, it's not dead, it's... just not maintained. |
| 00:05.03 | AKX | If anyone wants to pick up development, I'm all for it. |
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| 00:06.24 | Pkekyo | if I only knew how the hell to do it :> |
| 00:06.37 | Teromus | ^^ same situation ^^ |
| 00:07.25 | Teromus | I'm barely able to make my own UI ATM, so the only thing I could offer is moral support :3 |
| 00:07.26 | Pkekyo | reading through that forum thread posted...alot of great ideas there |
| 00:07.34 | Teromus | yeah |
| 00:07.41 | Teromus | http://homepage.usask.ca/~rss050/wowpics/mockup1.jpg |
| 00:07.46 | Teromus | That would be amazingly cool |
| 00:08.04 | Teromus | And I kind of want that font for my chat logs :P |
| 00:08.09 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 00:08.27 | Pkekyo | import the font to sharedmedia ;> |
| 00:08.57 | Teromus | No idea how to implement that from sharedmedia to my chatlog |
| 00:08.58 | Teromus | lol |
| 00:09.21 | Pkekyo | Teromus: tried Prat? |
| 00:09.27 | Teromus | Couldn't find any sort of "Change font type" on Prat |
| 00:09.30 | Pkekyo | anyone know what the default partychat color is? |
| 00:09.37 | Pkekyo | look for Text --> Font |
| 00:09.40 | Teromus | blue? |
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| 00:09.47 | Teromus | LOL Will do :P |
| 00:09.53 | Teromus | light blue I think |
| 00:10.22 | sylvanaar | prat can change fonts to any sharedmedia font |
| 00:11.12 | Pkekyo | my party chat text is light azure...wondered if it was default or not :> |
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| 00:16.53 | Pkekyo | is it possible to set the alpha value of text in the chat frames? |
| 00:18.49 | Shirik | no |
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| 00:18.52 | Pkekyo | damnit :< |
| 00:18.59 | Pkekyo | why not? |
| 00:19.13 | Pkekyo | should be a possibility by default |
| 00:19.27 | Mikk | that's a very useful question there, "why not" |
| 00:19.34 | Mikk | you're not gonna get an answer tho :P |
| 00:19.51 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 00:20.04 | Pkekyo | the easiest question to ask, and the hardest question to get a decent answer to |
| 00:20.21 | charon | because it doesn't seem a reasonable thing to do? "i would like my text to be harder to read!" |
| 00:20.26 | ckknight | hey all |
| 00:20.37 | Pkekyo | hey ckknight |
| 00:20.51 | charon | hi ckknight |
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| 00:21.21 | Pkekyo | charon: was hoping more for some way to get the chat to fade out to some 30% alpha or such when inactive |
| 00:21.39 | charon | oh. that sounds nice |
| 00:22.28 | Pkekyo | yeah, the chat is pretty much the only part of my UI now that's not in any way subtle what_so_ever :P |
| 00:23.40 | Mikk | Has anyone figured out what number it is that allakhazam shows in the "AH" column in the search result listing? |
| 00:23.56 | Mikk | Was looking at Breastplate of Rapid Striking right now, and the number says "249 gold" |
| 00:24.04 | Mikk | But drilling in, and checking details, that number exists nowhere else |
| 00:24.08 | Mikk | It's 90--100 |
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| 00:26.30 | harldephin | anyone missing timestamps with prat ? |
| 00:26.49 | Pkekyo | noes |
| 00:27.43 | charon | Pkekyo: in fact you got me interested enough to log in again, check the source and all that. but it seems to be a dead end, the fading module just uses :SetFading() and :SetFadeDuration() on the frames which don't seem to have any color-related friends |
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| 00:28.18 | Pkekyo | a shame tbh |
| 00:28.31 | xyu | Does anyone know why i can't drag the Sandbox in Buffalo2 ? |
| 00:28.37 | xyu | i've tried reloading the UI :( |
| 00:28.46 | xyu | containers are not locked |
| 00:29.13 | Pkekyo | pretty much everything in my UI has a low alpha or fades when inactive, except from the goddamn bright azure partychat hurting my eyes ^^ |
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| 00:29.52 | Mikk | Half sure prat has options to tweak that stuff |
| 00:30.05 | Mikk | Prat_ChatFrames iirc? |
| 00:30.05 | Pkekyo | can't find any alpha settings for text |
| 00:30.23 | Pkekyo | it's the text alpha I'd like to modify, not the frame around/behind it |
| 00:30.29 | Mikk | Meh, hax something up in Omnibus or something |
| 00:30.44 | Pkekyo | omnibus? |
| 00:30.47 | Pkekyo | ~omnibus |
| 00:30.59 | Mikk | Or some other in-game code editor |
| 00:31.11 | Pkekyo | too bad I'm not all that good at haxxorizing :> |
| 00:32.27 | charon | oh well... should have gone to bed an hour ago. gn8 |
| 00:32.37 | Pkekyo | g'nite |
| 00:33.27 | harldephin | ah. hm. prat's autolod function disabled the timestamp module though it's meant to be enabled. |
| 00:34.46 | sylvanaar | text alpha can be set in game via the bliz controld |
| 00:34.46 | CIA-14 | 03speeddymon * r46594 10CooldownTimers2/ (Core.lua Menu.lua Options.lua): |
| 00:34.46 | CIA-14 | CooldownTimers2: |
| 00:34.46 | CIA-14 | - Added ability to turn off sound that plays at cooldown completion |
| 00:34.46 | Teromus | Hmmm... does anyone know if theres a way to make a frame in Pitbull that is blank? I want to put a frame behind my target frame that is there if I'm not targetting anything |
| 00:35.24 | Pkekyo | sylvanaar: any easy way to do so? (I'm a complete goddamn nabcake, yes) |
| 00:36.26 | xyu | shititititi i just can't figure out how to move this sandbox in buffalo2 lol. |
| 00:36.32 | xyu | i've tried everything i can think of |
| 00:36.43 | Pkekyo | sandbox? |
| 00:36.58 | sylvanaar | learn how to use the /dump ChatFrame1 command |
| 00:36.59 | xyu | it's a buff container |
| 00:37.38 | sylvanaar | wowwiki + /dump = <3 |
| 00:38.14 | harldephin | hm. it's even showing double timestamps now. that's weird. |
| 00:38.59 | kergoth | xyu: grab the versions of Buffalo2-enUS.lua, containers/containers.xml, and containers/BlizzardAbbrev.lua from my Buffalo2.git url that i linked (http://git.kergoth.com/w/upstreamaddons/ace/Buffalo2.git?a=tree;h=master;hb=master .. click on the raw versions). |
| 00:39.06 | kergoth | xyu: see if that works any better |
| 00:42.03 | xyu | when i click on "raw" is it supposed to open it in text? i can't seem to save it lol |
| 00:42.13 | Pkekyo | holy jumping fucking jesus /dump ChatFrame1 gave alot of output |
| 00:43.31 | Pkekyo | sylvanaar: would it have anything to do with "GetTextColor()"? |
| 00:44.18 | harldephin | i relogged and the timestamps are ok again, but autolod seems to not work for some modules. |
| 00:44.24 | sylvanaar | Pkekyo now, thats what you take to wowwiki |
| 00:44.24 | Bruners | ckknight: pling |
| 00:44.31 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.37 | ckknight | plong* |
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| 00:45.09 | Bruners | ckknight: got an issue with cowtip and EnhTooltip |
| 00:45.14 | ckknight | k? |
| 00:45.20 | Bruners | could be EnhTooltip fault, but it worked with tinytip |
| 00:45.34 | ckknight | you're not telling me anything |
| 00:45.36 | Pkekyo | cool, now I know that...if only I knew how to code an addon to use this knowledge :P |
| 00:45.41 | Bruners | ckknight: getting to it :) |
| 00:45.46 | ckknight | so just say it |
| 00:45.52 | ckknight | instead of tugging me along |
| 00:45.53 | Garoun|Loupana | I asked the other day and wasn't sure about the answer, but is there anyway to track money gained via pickpocket? Perferably without watching for Pickpocket to be cast and checking for a loot window? |
| 00:46.09 | sylvanaar | Pkekyo you can use /script |
| 00:46.26 | Bruners | ckknight: when i click an item in a chat window and close it the EnhTooltip stays up, and wont go away until a hover another item in my bags |
| 00:46.46 | ckknight | that seems odd |
| 00:46.48 | Bruners | ckknight: its only when i click and item from a chat window |
| 00:46.52 | Pkekyo | sylvanaar: sorry to say, but I honestly don't know how to utilize this info :> |
| 00:48.18 | sylvanaar | Pkekyo trial and error (like most of us) |
| 00:48.51 | Pkekyo | think I better try to learn a bit lua and such first before I have a go at this :> |
| 00:50.04 | Pkekyo | thanks anyways though...maybe I'll even remember this 'till I'm able to use it ^^ |
| 00:55.27 | Pkekyo | is there an option in PitBull to hide party frames when in battleground? if so, I can't find it |
| 00:55.38 | CIA-14 | 03sylvanaar * r46595 10ACP/ACP.toc: ACP: Something changed with the !BugGrabber, ACP isnt catching the error text, idk why. Adding an optdep to see if that helps. |
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| 00:57.45 | sylvanaar | Bruners there is some incompatibilty btwn prat and teh auctioneer stuff with respect to links in chat |
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| 00:58.23 | sylvanaar | idk what the cause is, nor do i plan to look into it |
| 00:59.03 | Bruners | sylvanaar: ok |
| 00:59.18 | sylvanaar | that may or may not be your issue idk |
| 00:59.21 | Bruners | its the same when opening something in cellular |
| 01:00.01 | sylvanaar | any itemlink, anywhere |
| 01:00.42 | Bruners | that would be a more correct sentence |
| 01:02.24 | RaydenUni | i couldn't figure out how to work the menu to dreamchat |
| 01:02.29 | RaydenUni | how you move anything |
| 01:03.27 | Bruners | sylvanaar: but shouldt it also be the same when hovering an item in my bags? |
| 01:03.31 | sylvanaar | my BG scanning code - is sorta flaky now, used to catch people's info before i had to print "...has joined the battle", now it only catches some of it |
| 01:03.47 | RaydenUni | and WAU won't let me uninstall it |
| 01:03.48 | RaydenUni | lol |
| 01:03.58 | RaydenUni | i can't uninstall anything |
| 01:04.04 | Bruners | RaydenUni: remove it manual |
| 01:04.10 | sylvanaar | you are running an old version of wau i guess |
| 01:04.12 | RaydenUni | i guess |
| 01:04.16 | RaydenUni | i am running an old version |
| 01:04.37 | RaydenUni | one update caused it to crash a lot |
| 01:04.44 | RaydenUni | so once i found a stable one i decided to stick with it |
| 01:04.48 | RaydenUni | and it gets updated a lot |
| 01:06.45 | Pkekyo | there's this addon that removes all the [Name] has joined the raid/battleground-messages in AV and such...anyone know it's name? |
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| 01:14.04 | sylvanaar | prat does it, though you gotta configure custom filters for bg leave/join |
| 01:14.15 | sylvanaar | it does raid leave/join |
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| 01:19.15 | sylvanaar | hrm actually im not sure what is doing it |
| 01:20.55 | Pkekyo | I saw an addon doing it in WAU the other day, but I can't find it again |
| 01:23.01 | Pkekyo | can't find the option you're refering to in Prat either |
| 01:24.00 | Bruners | do i have any use of Drakefire Amulet anymore? |
| 01:24.16 | Pkekyo | not unless you're going ony..? |
| 01:24.51 | Bruners | i could be :P |
| 01:25.25 | Pkekyo | ony is still great fun :> |
| 01:25.39 | Pkekyo | - and fast gold ^^ |
| 01:28.06 | Bruners | tbh, i have never killed ony |
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| 01:29.35 | Kuja^ | anyone knows a way to find out why an addon causes short "hangs"? i experience that when someone is joining / leaving the battleground and its really annoying... but im not in the mood disableing all the addons one by one :/ |
| 01:29.50 | Pkekyo | rofl, some rogue tried to gank me while I was afk...came back at about 30% hp and nuked him down :> |
| 01:30.32 | Pkekyo | Bruners: l2killony |
| 01:30.54 | haste | killroy was here |
| 01:31.18 | Bruners | Pkekyo: i really dont need to :) |
| 01:31.39 | Pkekyo | Bruners: ofc not, but it's a fun experience :> |
| 01:33.40 | Pkekyo | gah, I HATE it when people use a gazillion different bar textures in the same UI |
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| 01:34.38 | Kirkburn | This is weird, I haven't been able to play WoW for three weeks - really starting to wonder what I've missed |
| 01:34.45 | Kirkburn | (in terms of changes/updates) |
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| 01:35.04 | ckknight | Kuja^: you disable addons by doing half at a time, it causes it to turn from an O(n) search into an O(lg n) search |
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| 01:35.30 | CIA-14 | 03roartindon * r46596 10Assessment/Modules/ (Damage.lua Healing.lua): |
| 01:35.30 | CIA-14 | Assessment |
| 01:35.30 | CIA-14 | - Simplified a number of the tags to use :Percent |
| 01:37.39 | Kuja^ | would be possible yeah... i should try it again probaly... |
| 01:38.33 | CIA-14 | 03darchon * r46597 10Bartender3/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Bartender3: add localization strings for buttonclass |
| 01:39.06 | CIA-14 | 03ktrigger * r46598 10Numen/Numen.lua: |
| 01:39.06 | CIA-14 | Numen: |
| 01:39.06 | CIA-14 | - (Sorata) Fixed pulse indicator bug. |
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| 01:45.22 | Borked|Raider | Its not posible to use moseover macros on unsecure frames right? |
| 01:47.54 | ckknight | no macros on insecure frames |
| 01:48.18 | Borked|Raider | oki |
| 01:49.17 | Borked|Raider | Is it even posible to make a window showing all posible targets it can find by scanning party1-5target as secure? and updating in combat? |
| 01:49.45 | Thrae | Borked|Raider: That's exactly what PerfectTargets does. |
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| 01:50.50 | Borked|Raider | well i dont need a addon doing it, i am just wondering how its posible? as you cant hide or move secures frames in combat from what i know, so how can it be posible to make windows based on how many targets it can find from scanning party1-5target |
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| 01:51.23 | Cyrez | ckknight: Any chance of a PitBull module for frame-specific click-casting? |
| 01:51.40 | Thrae | Borked|Raider: Yes, but they would have to ALL be visible if you want to click on them. With PerfectTargets, I made them non-secure so you can't click on them, but it'll show you which mobs are being targeted. |
| 01:51.44 | ckknight | not from me, you're free to write it, though |
| 01:52.17 | Cyrez | lol, darn. |
| 01:52.32 | Borked|Raider | ye Thrae, then it was not doing what i asked :P |
| 01:54.35 | Comxx | ckknight: did you by chance get to look at Dogtags [Level:DifficultyColor] and the gray ?? |
| 01:54.47 | ckknight | no |
| 01:54.52 | Pkekyo | meh, updating prat fucked up all my chatframes |
| 01:55.34 | Comxx | there another user witht he same thing http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=6881.msg128061#msg128061 |
| 01:56.25 | Tyrel | Anyone knows why Prat won't let the chattabs flash no matter what? |
| 01:56.34 | ckknight | I'm not saying I don't believe you or don't see it as important |
| 01:56.58 | Pkekyo | there's this addon that removes all the [Name] has joined the raid/battleground-messages in AV and such...anyone know it's name? |
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| 01:57.12 | kaiden | Is there a DogTag Tag that shows Pet Experience? |
| 01:57.19 | ckknight | yea |
| 01:57.31 | ckknight | [CurrentExp#pet] |
| 01:57.34 | ckknight | or something. |
| 01:57.41 | ckknight | [CurrentXP#pet] |
| 01:57.42 | ckknight | that's it |
| 01:57.46 | kaiden | ah, ok :) i'll play around with it thank you ckk |
| 01:58.38 | Comxx | hehe so is ?? suppose to be gray? |
| 01:59.04 | kaiden | hrm ckk, CurrentXP and CurrentEXP / Exp throwing no such tag |
| 01:59.25 | ckknight | no, Comxx |
| 01:59.40 | ckknight | I just have other priorities |
| 01:59.44 | kaiden | there we go, it's CurXP :) |
| 01:59.45 | ckknight | kaiden: check the DogTag wiki |
| 01:59.51 | ckknight | ah, that'd be it |
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| 02:00.36 | Comxx | k np ill use [Level:IsEqual(??)?Level:Red!Level:DifficultyColor] til you fix it =) |
| 02:01.27 | Shirik | uh |
| 02:01.33 | Borked|Raider | so its not posible in some way to make a assist window for party1-5 and then with some unitisunit checks make some black overlay over the frame so it dont steal focus if its alreay represented on a window above? |
| 02:01.45 | Shirik | I don't know anything about DogTag, but Blizzard calls the "??" level -1 |
| 02:01.51 | Borked|Raider | or make it alpha 0 |
| 02:02.11 | Shirik | Borked|Raider: Sure it is |
| 02:02.28 | Borked|Raider | also the alpha 0? |
| 02:02.31 | ckknight | Borked|Raider: what you do is have a transparent overlay with mouse enabled, then do :SetAlpha(0) on the frame |
| 02:02.32 | Shirik | sure |
| 02:02.34 | ckknight | you have a dead area |
| 02:02.39 | ckknight | but it works |
| 02:02.47 | Borked|Raider | ye |
| 02:03.08 | Borked|Raider | kinda the best i can come up with if i want a window close to what i talked about |
| 02:04.38 | CIA-14 | 03sylvanaar * r46599 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/Font.lua: Prat: Fixed bug introduced during restructuring which let you set the color of the shadow. Toggle of the outline font appears to have been renamed shadow - which is not correct but i left it as is |
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| 02:06.59 | Cerium | Is here someone? |
| 02:07.22 | Tyrel | sylvanaar: You know why chattab flashing isn't working in Prat? |
| 02:07.58 | Bruners | has it ever worked? |
| 02:07.58 | sylvanaar | nope |
| 02:08.03 | sylvanaar | it works just fine |
| 02:08.23 | Bruners | never worked here |
| 02:08.28 | Tyrel | I can't get the tabs to flash no matter what |
| 02:08.29 | Cerium | Maybe you need to update to latest version? |
| 02:08.59 | Tyrel | I have the one before the one just posted so that shouldn't be a problem |
| 02:09.15 | sylvanaar | dunno, curney recently renamed stuff, so you may need to check your settings |
| 02:09.47 | Tyrel | I did. Tried turning flashing on and off. Doesn't flash in either one |
| 02:09.48 | tinyboom | at my screen the bubbles align at the arong chars... :/ |
| 02:09.52 | sylvanaar | the modules is called tabs |
| 02:10.05 | sylvanaar | make sure they are set to default for each frame |
| 02:10.44 | ckknight | I has an idear |
| 02:10.57 | ckknight | Blizzard's color picking window sucks donkey balls |
| 02:11.01 | ckknight | I'm sure we can all agree |
| 02:11.04 | sylvanaar | no joke |
| 02:11.11 | mjc | Giant donkey anus |
| 02:11.12 | tinyboom | hehe |
| 02:11.20 | ckknight | so I figure why not have an inline, nice, powerful one inside LibJokerConfig-1.0, when you have a color option? |
| 02:11.20 | Bruners | I would love a copy filed for color picking |
| 02:11.29 | Cerium | Can you give the link where you downloaded chattab? |
| 02:11.29 | sylvanaar | there is one on the svn |
| 02:11.34 | sylvanaar | that has copy |
| 02:12.24 | Tyrel | Doesn't flash when set to either default och always |
| 02:12.40 | sylvanaar | idk, mine do |
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| 02:13.28 | sylvanaar | what do you expect to flash? |
| 02:13.45 | sylvanaar | only tabs in the dock pane which are not the topmost will flash |
| 02:14.08 | sylvanaar | you can pastey your saved variables, and i'll look at them |
| 02:15.24 | Cerium | brb people... gonna join EU warlock. |
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| 02:17.07 | CIA-14 | 03sylvanaar * r46600 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/Font.lua: Prat: Make sure to apply the shadow color setting |
| 02:17.20 | Pkekyo | when it comes to UI design and creativity, eePanels is a fucking disease nowadays :/ |
| 02:17.50 | ckknight | question: should the default hex coloring w/ alpha be aarrggbb or rrggbbaa? |
| 02:18.11 | ckknight | from the user's perspective, that is, developers can specify how they want to get values. |
| 02:18.33 | Kaydeethree | I've always seen it as rgba |
| 02:18.44 | Pkekyo | imo, it's more logical with rrggbbaa |
| 02:18.46 | ckknight | I think I'll be going with that, yea |
| 02:19.08 | ckknight | colorStyle = "hex"/"hex:aarrggbb"/"r,g,b,a"/"a,r,g,b" |
| 02:19.13 | ckknight | or something |
| 02:19.15 | Pkekyo | besides, isn't that what 'everyone else' does? |
| 02:19.22 | ckknight | yea |
| 02:19.26 | ckknight | except blizz |
| 02:19.39 | ckknight | |cffcf7f3f |
| 02:19.46 | ckknight | ff is the alpha, though it does nothing |
| 02:20.50 | ckknight | okay, there's 3 ways to store colors, afaict: hexstring, tuple, or number |
| 02:20.54 | Pkekyo | well, blizz sucks frozen donkeyballs :> |
| 02:20.59 | ckknight | quite true. |
| 02:21.02 | sylvanaar | the table method sucks |
| 02:21.07 | ckknight | agreed |
| 02:21.13 | ckknight | that's why I'm allowing the other two ways. |
| 02:21.16 | sylvanaar | aarrggbb |
| 02:21.20 | sylvanaar | perfect |
| 02:21.38 | ckknight | well, you'd be able to specify where the aa is, as a developer |
| 02:21.53 | ckknight | "hex:rrggbbaa"/"hex:aarrggbb" |
| 02:22.00 | ckknight | if you use alpha, that is |
| 02:22.07 | sylvanaar | right |
| 02:23.23 | ckknight | "hex:rgba"/"hex:argb"/"number:rgba"/"number:argb"/"tuple:rgba"/"tuple:argb" -- or -- "hex"/"number"/"tuple" without alpha |
| 02:23.24 | sylvanaar | the problem with it at the end is that you cant really leave it off |
| 02:23.46 | ckknight | seem good? |
| 02:24.19 | ckknight | users will have edit boxes to put in the hex version or specific r, g, b in [0, 1] format |
| 02:24.26 | ckknight | I'm thinking |
| 02:24.30 | Hjalte | ckknight, is it not possible to show the incoming damage to my pet in the incoming area of Parrot? |
| 02:24.36 | ckknight | don't think so |
| 02:24.41 | ckknight | would be easy enough to add |
| 02:24.50 | sylvanaar | well, shoot, if you want to revamp colors, why not support HSB also |
| 02:25.11 | ckknight | hrm.. |
| 02:25.15 | ckknight | sure, why the hell not |
| 02:25.26 | ckknight | I had a blank space anyway |
| 02:25.29 | sylvanaar | its a superior method for specifying color anyhow |
| 02:25.34 | ckknight | very true |
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| 02:26.02 | ckknight | so here's how it'll look: |
| 02:26.12 | ckknight | starting from the left, the color circle |
| 02:26.31 | ckknight | then brightness as a slider |
| 02:26.42 | ckknight | then alpha as a slider, if alpha is specified |
| 02:26.50 | ckknight | then on the right side from the top |
| 02:26.53 | ckknight | hex edit box |
| 02:26.57 | ckknight | r, g, b, a editboxes |
| 02:27.09 | ckknight | h, s, v editboxes |
| 02:27.27 | ckknight | I also want to have the saved colors, thing, though |
| 02:27.38 | sylvanaar | yeah, custom presets |
| 02:27.59 | ckknight | there'd be presets and then as you specify new colors, it'd fill with what you put |
| 02:28.14 | ckknight | as kind of a session cache |
| 02:30.29 | ckknight | lemme put up a screenie of what I have already |
| 02:31.11 | ckknight | don't have any colors yet, mind you |
| 02:31.18 | ckknight | but I have execute/boolean/number |
| 02:31.26 | ckknight | http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot081407162931cf7.jpg |
| 02:31.47 | Tyrel | sylvanaar: Seems I had overrated the flashing. It flashes only on whispers. Think there's any chance of an option in Prat to add flashes to other things as well? And maybe a constant glow instead of a flashing. Would be sexy. Dunno if it'd be implementable without onupdates and evilness like that though |
| 02:31.48 | xyu | In Recount is there any way to track who gets hit by Lurker's Spout damage only? |
| 02:32.50 | Tyrel | Sounds sexy ckknight |
| 02:32.50 | xyu | or another addon perhaps |
| 02:34.08 | sylvanaar | ckknight this one looks like it'd be easy to recreate http://derey.home.mindspring.com/colorpick.png |
| 02:34.29 | ckknight | sylvanaar: I was gonna do the color wheel thing |
| 02:34.47 | sylvanaar | ckknight ok cool, just tossing out some ideas |
| 02:34.56 | ckknight | I like ideas |
| 02:35.00 | ckknight | I want this to be good |
| 02:35.02 | ckknight | like, really good |
| 02:35.09 | ckknight | better than what's out there now |
| 02:35.13 | ckknight | from any community |
| 02:36.16 | sylvanaar | this is the photoshop one http://derey.home.mindspring.com/colorpick-2.png |
| 02:36.49 | ckknight | hrm |
| 02:37.05 | ckknight | one thing that has to be kept in mind that this should really only have a height of 100px or so |
| 02:37.12 | ckknight | it can go horizontally a ways |
| 02:37.16 | ckknight | but not vertically too much |
| 02:38.37 | ckknight | hrm, perhaps I could have 6 small sliders (r, g, b, h, s, v) |
| 02:38.58 | ckknight | though frankly, I think that editboxes might work better |
| 02:39.04 | ckknight | hrm... |
| 02:39.17 | sylvanaar | windows one: http://derey.home.mindspring.com/colorpick-3.png |
| 02:39.22 | sag_ich_nicht | ...provide both? :P |
| 02:39.45 | ckknight | I might. |
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| 02:42.08 | Bruners | ckknight: what is LibJoker ? |
| 02:42.29 | ckknight | Bruners: my attempt at writing an addon framework |
| 02:42.45 | ckknight | with the hindsight of Ace2 |
| 02:43.59 | Tyrel | Ace3? |
| 02:44.30 | Pkekyo | back to MS/DW again after a month as prot...it's not as good as I thought it was |
| 02:44.36 | ckknight | Tyrel: ...yea |
| 02:45.32 | NightHawkTheSane | They made a movie about Helvetica? |
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| 02:46.07 | Pkekyo | rofl, my server is popping shutdownmessages in spanish O.o |
| 02:46.31 | Tyrel | So sylvanaar, think there's a chance for some tabflash-spicing up in Prat? |
| 02:46.42 | Diao | server crashes ftl |
| 02:47.05 | sylvanaar | Tyrel you can post your suggestion on the forum thread |
| 02:47.16 | Pkekyo | Va a haber un mantenimentio planeado de este servidor en 15 minutos. Gracias por vuestra pacienca y comprensiôn. Para mas informaciôn visita el foro de Estado de los reinos. |
| 02:47.25 | Diao | well |
| 02:47.34 | Diao | at least it didn't crash while in the middle of a raid :P |
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| 02:48.42 | Pkekyo | well, if AV still counts as a raid? :P |
| 02:48.56 | sylvanaar | ckknight you could use 3 sliders and a mode switch |
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| 02:49.29 | ckknight | oh, quite right. |
| 02:49.39 | ckknight | that'd probably be cleanest. |
| 02:50.17 | sylvanaar | yeah, then you wouldnt have to deal with moving the rgb sliders when you adjusted hsv and visa-versa |
| 02:50.17 | Pkekyo | valid point |
| 02:50.35 | ckknight | quite right |
| 02:52.54 | Pkekyo | 2.9k whirlwind :> |
| 02:53.01 | Pkekyo | fresh patch tomorrow, no? |
| 02:53.42 | Bruners | patch day today ? |
| 02:53.53 | Xinhuan | unlikely |
| 02:54.02 | Xinhuan | they are still stress testing the voice chat i think? |
| 02:54.07 | Bruners | good |
| 02:54.18 | Bruners | more time to gather up arcane resistance |
| 02:54.22 | Xinhuan | and no background downloader turned itself on |
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| 02:55.00 | Pkekyo | 6hrs downtime seems like overkill if there's no patch |
| 02:55.24 | Gngsk | 6 hours is standard |
| 02:56.24 | Xinhuan | they claim to take 6, but usually only take 3-4 hours for my realm before it goes up |
| 02:56.30 | gnorlish | what are you gathering AR for? |
| 02:56.39 | Xinhuan | Solarian probably |
| 02:56.53 | Xinhuan | they are changing that debuff in some way - no idea what way though |
| 02:57.35 | Bruners | gnorlish: apparently its needed for one boss in TK |
| 02:57.41 | Pkekyo | lately there's been alot more "rolling restarts" or whatev than 6hr shutdowns |
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| 02:58.01 | Xinhuan | its still been rolling restarst every 2 weeks |
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| 02:58.21 | Pkekyo | oh well, I'm off...need some sleep for a change...laters |
| 02:58.22 | Bruners | gnorlish: and that boss gets some heavy changes on the next patch |
| 02:58.41 | Bruners | atleast that is what people say |
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| 02:59.35 | Borked|Raider | ckknight - www.borkedguild.net/grafic/screen/WoWScrnShot_081507_045729.jpg ide for a color picker , the copy/paste functions are realy a nice feature. |
| 02:59.40 | Borked|Raider | idea |
| 03:00.01 | ckknight | hrm... |
| 03:00.37 | ckknight | where is that checkered texture? |
| 03:00.45 | ckknight | I wonder if it's in WoW already... |
| 03:00.54 | Borked|Raider | hmm which? |
| 03:01.35 | Borked|Raider | i think all of that is made from wows internal stuff |
| 03:03.15 | Borked|Raider | or naa |
| 03:03.16 | Borked|Raider | its not |
| 03:05.33 | Borked|Raider | but was more the copy paste functions i wanted to point out, realy nice features if you are making some config for ui ingame, that you can just copy the color from a other object instead of having to try aim the same color |
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| 03:06.56 | haste | Borked|Raider: already an addon on the svn which does that |
| 03:07.02 | haste | it was pulled out of the old discordlib afaik |
| 03:07.19 | Borked|Raider | oki, just saw they talked about color pickers abit up |
| 03:08.24 | CIA-14 | 03mecdemort * r46601 10Baggins_AnywhereBags/Core.lua: Baggins_AnywhereBags: - Clicking on an item displays it in the ItemRef tooltip. Shift-clicking will paste it to chat. (Thanks Elkano) |
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| 03:14.13 | ckknight | instead of copy/paste stuff, Borked|Raider, there will be a color cache system |
| 03:15.55 | Bruners | is there an alternative to omnicc ? |
| 03:16.20 | ckknight | no, not really |
| 03:16.54 | Borked|Raider | ckknight, ye a color cache system is also a nice way to do it on. |
| 03:17.32 | Borked|Raider | but something totaly difference - whats up with holiday soon beeing over :( |
| 03:18.15 | sylvanaar | oh you know what ckknight - i just realized that the aceevent uid's also apply to ace events which are triggered during the processing of an event, so if you trigger an event while processing one the uid is lost |
| 03:18.28 | ckknight | it should be restored |
| 03:18.33 | ckknight | once the event is done triggering |
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| 03:19.20 | sylvanaar | yeah, i see that code, hrm.. |
| 03:20.27 | CIA-14 | 03karls * r46602 10DKPmon_EPGP/ (DKPmon_EPGP.toc epgp.lua example.lua): |
| 03:20.27 | CIA-14 | DKPmon_EPGP: |
| 03:20.27 | CIA-14 | - Added yet more drops to example.lua's prefabbed GP costs. |
| 03:20.28 | CIA-14 | - Probably squashed bug where decay did not work under certain circumstances. |
| 03:21.45 | sylvanaar | ckknight here's a pastey showing the uids i get for whispering to myself http://ace.pastey.net/72256 |
| 03:22.23 | ckknight | k |
| 03:23.32 | sylvanaar | see they are all different |
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| 03:23.41 | Gngsk | Antiarc, http://ace.pastey.net/72257 this happened while I was outside BT and someone must've moused over supremus |
| 03:23.57 | sylvanaar | Showing CHAT_MSG_WHISPER 348, 351, 354 |
| 03:24.17 | ckknight | all for the same message? |
| 03:24.20 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 03:24.22 | ckknight | oh, hrm |
| 03:24.30 | Fisker- | hax Borked|Raider |
| 03:24.38 | Borked|Raider | ¨¨ |
| 03:25.40 | Kuja^ | Gngsk: i think he fixed that yesterday or somthing |
| 03:25.54 | Gngsk | ok, I just updated |
| 03:25.59 | Gngsk | after the error that is |
| 03:27.28 | CIA-14 | 03sylvanaar * r46603 10Prat/Prat_Modules/ (frames/popup.xml modules/PopupMessage.lua): Prat: Changed popupmessage code to always check the user's name like it used to. Also, replaced the onupdate handler for the popupframe with a call to UIFrameFlash |
| 03:27.44 | Kuja^ | he did on sunday actually |
| 03:27.45 | Kuja^ | Threat-1.0: Leotheras -> Supremus |
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| 03:32.39 | Gngsk | Kuja^, k thx |
| 03:41.55 | ckknight | hrm |
| 03:42.01 | ckknight | I'm really not sure that sliders are the best idea |
| 03:42.44 | ckknight | take a look: http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot081407174210zf1.jpg |
| 03:42.48 | ckknight | it bloats the width immensely |
| 03:42.57 | ckknight | for what I see as minimal gain |
| 03:44.03 | ckknight | note: I still need to add a block that shows the color |
| 03:44.07 | ckknight | as well as an alpha slider |
| 03:44.11 | NightHawkTheSane | can you do the sliders vertically? so you don't have two wide? |
| 03:44.12 | JoshBorke | why not mimic the way it's done in windows? |
| 03:44.34 | NightHawkTheSane | er, i mean.. stack the s HSV sliders below the RGB ones |
| 03:44.38 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: it's just as wide, and due to the need for edit boxes, it makes it even wider |
| 03:44.50 | ckknight | oh, I can't have it too tall, seeing as you might have a lot of options |
| 03:45.41 | ckknight | I might do how Windows does it |
| 03:45.42 | ckknight | http://derey.home.mindspring.com/colorpick-3.png |
| 03:45.46 | ckknight | no sliders, just numbers |
| 03:46.20 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* the only thing I don't like about that in wow is that you have to hit return for text entry fields to take effect |
| 03:47.18 | JoshBorke | you don't, that's just the way it's coded |
| 03:47.27 | JoshBorke | i think ckknight should change OnChar instead |
| 03:47.28 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, i see. |
| 03:47.31 | ckknight | I could do that. |
| 03:47.38 | JoshBorke | give it the same behavior |
| 03:47.41 | NightHawkTheSane | well, depends on context, honestly |
| 03:47.51 | NightHawkTheSane | for fields like that, yeah, you want response to be immediate |
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| 03:47.58 | JoshBorke | NightHawkTheSane: exactly, for a mod i'm writing, it makes more sense to wait for enter |
| 03:48.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Although, -most- setting edit boxes should not require enter, but i digress. |
| 03:48.24 | ckknight | screw it, I'm not doing sliders except for value and alpha |
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| 04:02.50 | Nandini | on the color picker, i fail to see how providing both a color wheel and sliders at all times would benefit users |
| 04:04.05 | NightHawkTheSane | the color wheel would presumably provide a solid visual feedback of what color range you're currently in. |
| 04:04.21 | Nandini | actually, from a usability standpoint, having all those controls to pick ONE color is unbalanced |
| 04:04.58 | Nandini | and a swatch and RGB/HSV ramps would be better at showing range if you're using sliders |
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| 04:05.27 | Nandini | if a user can set 3 colors, is he going to see 3 of those giant controls in a row? |
| 04:05.39 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, honestly, a clickable swatch that pops up a color picker would be ideal |
| 04:06.03 | Nandini | i agree, i think that implementation and paradigm is already well defined in users' minds |
| 04:06.16 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 04:06.21 | Nandini | it's not a bad idea to EXTEND the color picker tho |
| 04:06.32 | Nandini | with HSV input, and possibly display of extra ramps |
| 04:06.36 | NightHawkTheSane | the built in wow color picker has a good usability model, it's just that theactual color picker is 100% unusable. |
| 04:06.47 | Nandini | and steal the copy/paste bit from whatever mod i use that has that |
| 04:07.09 | Arrowmaster | whats wrong with using enchancedcolourpicker? |
| 04:07.14 | Nandini | i think that's what i use |
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| 04:07.44 | Nandini | and i think that's what joker should steal to use as its standard popup control for picking colors |
| 04:08.00 | Nandini | giving credit of course |
| 04:08.06 | NightHawkTheSane | which is what was being discussed. :P |
| 04:08.12 | Arrowmaster | it should just use the standard color picker |
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| 04:08.28 | Nandini | but i NEED my HSV :) |
| 04:08.51 | CIA-14 | 03yssaril * r46604 10YssGuildShop/ (5 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 04:08.51 | CIA-14 | YssGuildShop: |
| 04:08.51 | CIA-14 | - fixed Scrollbar placement |
| 04:08.51 | CIA-14 | - changed database from using ItemNames to ItemIDs |
| 04:08.51 | CIA-14 | - added temporary function to delete saved itemData (so i dont get error reports |
| 04:08.52 | CIA-14 | about the GUI not working correctly when they don't either delete the SV files |
| 04:08.54 | CIA-14 | or nuke them from within the addon when i make major changes to the SV |
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| 04:10.12 | NightHawkTheSane | I don't care about, really. I just want an exact way to specify RGB values. color wheels are terrible for that |
| 04:10.37 | Nandini | another benefit to having only the swatches listed on the config pane is that when users are setting multiple colors, they can see them close to each other to see how well they go together |
| 04:10.51 | Nandini | yes i agree, steal the RGB and copy/paste controls from ECP |
| 04:11.07 | Nandini | add in the HSV (for me, pretty please) |
| 04:11.29 | Arrowmaster | so joker is going to have its own color picker rather than using the default one? |
| 04:11.54 | Nandini | the default one is just built from widgets anyway, joker would just reassemble them with a few extras i'm assuming |
| 04:12.20 | Nandini | and could replace the default one as well |
| 04:12.21 | Arrowmaster | default one is called by most things though |
| 04:12.55 | Nandini | you can hook the default one, ECP does it already |
| 04:13.05 | Arrowmaster | if your going to do that why not just use the default one but change it like ECP |
| 04:13.37 | ckknight | Nandini: you'll have the color wheel, the value slider, the alpha slider, and editboxes for R, G, B, H, S, V, and A |
| 04:13.42 | Nandini | i agree that would be handy, but that would mean joker would become responsible for configuring other things it was not intended to |
| 04:13.44 | Arrowmaster | and leave it in an addon rather than the framework |
| 04:14.03 | Nandini | joker itself IS a library |
| 04:14.17 | Nandini | one that's intended to become standard tho i'm guessing? |
| 04:14.18 | NightHawkTheSane | well, framework, really |
| 04:14.42 | ckknight | Nandini: I don't see how you drew that conclusion |
| 04:14.51 | ckknight | the being responsible for things it wasn't intended, that is |
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| 04:15.18 | Arrowmaster | imho leave the changing of the color picker to another addon and just use the default one |
| 04:15.27 | Tem | wait wait, what? |
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| 04:15.35 | ckknight | oh, basically it makes the color picker inline instead of using Blizzard's crappy version |
| 04:15.36 | Tem | you don't change the base interface with a library |
| 04:15.40 | Nandini | i mean if you hook the default color picker for all other operations, if you create a bug in joker's color picker, it could screw up many other addons that ppl expected the blizz default picker to work for |
| 04:15.42 | Tem | a library does nothing on it's own |
| 04:16.02 | ckknight | Borked|Raider: what addon was that, btw? |
| 04:16.19 | ckknight | it will not be hooking the color picker |
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| 04:16.23 | Tem | okay |
| 04:16.25 | ckknight | it won't _use_ the color picker |
| 04:16.29 | ckknight | it makes its own |
| 04:16.34 | Borked|Raider | just a part of rdx, was just to show some example |
| 04:16.37 | Tem | fair enough |
| 04:16.38 | Arrowmaster | what if people dont want to use your colorpicker? |
| 04:16.50 | Nandini | then they should not use joker to configure their addon? |
| 04:16.54 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: they don't have to use LibJokerConfig-1.0 |
| 04:17.07 | Arrowmaster | i ment the end user not the developer |
| 04:17.17 | ckknight | oh... |
| 04:17.29 | Arrowmaster | when theres solutions like ECP already available i dont see the point |
| 04:17.30 | ckknight | um, I'm standardizing on one version |
| 04:17.32 | Nandini | what if the end user doesn't want to use sliders to input ranged values and only prefers to see edit boxes? |
| 04:17.50 | ckknight | Nandini: well LibJokerConfig-1.0 provides both |
| 04:17.54 | Nandini | you're obviously not going to take out all sliders to accomodate that |
| 04:18.04 | JoshBorke | yes he is |
| 04:18.08 | JoshBorke | ckknight is a freaking robot |
| 04:18.20 | ckknight | beep beep destroy all humans |
| 04:18.33 | NightHawkTheSane | no no, it's "EXTERMINATE" |
| 04:18.54 | Nandini | yes but i mean if an author specifies a range option, are you going to let the end-user then further set "joker preferences" to display all ranges as editboxes? |
| 04:19.17 | ckknight | Nandini: no, I'm just gonna have the one way, thus standardizing things |
| 04:19.52 | Nandini | good, that makes it much easier for authors to document settings for users |
| 04:20.35 | ckknight | that was my thought, also it makes supporting the single way a lot easier |
| 04:21.17 | Nandini | but could the AUTHOR specify an editbox, editbox with spinner buttons, slider, slider with editbox as possible controls for the range option? |
| 04:21.53 | ckknight | { type = 'number', get = function() return value end, set = function(v) value = v end, name = "My name", desc = "My desc" } |
| 04:21.58 | ckknight | that's all the author specifies |
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| 04:22.05 | ckknight | pretty much. |
| 04:22.11 | ckknight | as a base case, that is |
| 04:22.14 | JoshBorke | night all |
| 04:22.40 | Nandini | but can it be further refined using tree/child nodes as in waterfall? |
| 04:22.45 | ckknight | oh yes. |
| 04:24.16 | Nandini | will the author have similar choices for the color control if using tree/child config? (swatch + RGB sliders, wheel + RGBA editboxes, wheel + HSV sliders, swatch that pops up all controls in dialog box) |
| 04:24.51 | ckknight | you specify a color type, it shows the wheel, swatch, rgb, hsv sliders. You can specify whether it has alpha or not. |
| 04:25.07 | ckknight | it's supposed to relieve the burden from the author, not add more |
| 04:25.26 | ckknight | it's standardized in that it shows everything |
| 04:25.31 | Nandini | what if you only want the swatch to be visible in the config pane? that is the paradigm the rest of WoW uses |
| 04:26.08 | Nandini | by the rest of WoW, anywhere blizzard lets you set a color, you do it by clicking on a swatch and get a popup |
| 04:26.17 | ckknight | I've taken the general stance of "fuck the rest of WoW". WoW's config is in general inconsistent. Consistency only matters within the framework itself, and in the event that every addon uses the framework, everything will be consistent. |
| 04:26.37 | Killmore7 | I hate that.. 6% on vashj, 50% of the raid disconnected |
| 04:26.44 | Gngsk | ouch |
| 04:26.46 | ckknight | hell |
| 04:27.29 | Nandini | if my user needs to set 6 colors in one pane, it won't be possible for him to see them all at once to determine if they work together, because he'll have to scroll twice to get from the 1st color down to the 6th |
| 04:27.31 | Killmore7 | 20 sec after the reconnect, we call the second and last try for tonight, almost everyone disconnected at 75%.. gg |
| 04:27.52 | Tem | ckknight, I disagree |
| 04:28.06 | ckknight | Nandini: not really, seeing as the height is only 64px and the config pane is about 400px tall |
| 04:28.08 | Tem | it's important to do what comes naturally to the user in an interface |
| 04:28.23 | Tem | to "fuck the paradigm" is a bad thing |
| 04:28.27 | ckknight | Tem: what comes naturally is what the users are used to |
| 04:28.28 | Tem | it makes the interface less intuitive |
| 04:28.33 | Nandini | if the wheel itself is only 64px high, then it is useless for actually picking a color |
| 04:28.43 | ckknight | it's not necessarily "fuck the paradigm", it's "fix the paradigm, do it right this time" |
| 04:28.50 | Yssaril | chknight: offtopic have you found out anything new about the AceComm issue? |
| 04:28.51 | Tem | also, the rest of wow is /very/ consistent for how options are displayed |
| 04:28.53 | ckknight | Nandini: that's not true |
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| 04:29.10 | Nandini | how many pixels in a circle with radius of 32? |
| 04:30.05 | Wobwork | ... |
| 04:30.06 | Wobwork | lots |
| 04:30.06 | Nandini | that's pi*r^2, so 3217 pixels out of 16 million possible colors |
| 04:30.08 | ckknight | isn't it pi*r^2? |
| 04:30.12 | Borked|Raider | now make all imputs be binary numbers and that will come naturally to some :P but most licky not the 99.9 % other wow playesr .PP |
| 04:30.13 | ckknight | yea |
| 04:30.36 | ckknight | Nandini: granted, in a color wheel, you can't specify value, so that cuts down a chunk, and to get specific colors, you fill in the edit boxes. |
| 04:30.41 | ckknight | the wheel is just a general "guess" |
| 04:30.51 | ckknight | no one in their right mind should use the wheel for accurate color picking |
| 04:30.59 | ckknight | it's just to get the initial general value |
| 04:32.12 | Borked|Raider | the color wheel is just a tool to pick a color for the novice user who have no ideas about how colors are made. A guy who dont care much will just with a few clicks press the wheel and find something that works for him, where some others might want to ajust the color with some ekstra settings. |
| 04:32.26 | ckknight | right. |
| 04:32.35 | ckknight | and those extra settings are available in editboxes |
| 04:32.38 | ckknight | you just fill in the number properly |
| 04:32.42 | Borked|Raider | ye |
| 04:33.13 | ckknight | and you can fill in r/g/b or h/s/v, depending on your mood |
| 04:33.29 | Nandini | if having 2 color wheels, 2 sets of RGBA and HSV editboxes and sliders all at the same time is the ideal way to pick 2 colors, why isn't it that way in any mainstream graphics program? |
| 04:34.09 | ckknight | space usage, mostly |
| 04:34.16 | ckknight | screen real estate is important |
| 04:34.24 | ckknight | especially in a graphics program |
| 04:34.44 | Nandini | also in a configuration pane |
| 04:34.46 | ckknight | but seeing as this is a configuration pane for settings for addons for a game, I really don't see the screen real estate being used as much |
| 04:34.56 | ckknight | therefore, there's a bit more leeway |
| 04:36.25 | Speeddymon | files.wowace.com down? |
| 04:36.28 | Nandini | can you show me a screenshot with 9 controls stacked on top of each other, such as might be used in configuring custom class colors in PitBull? |
| 04:36.40 | ckknight | no, seeing as I'm not done |
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| 04:37.01 | Speeddymon | no its not.. nm |
| 04:37.09 | Nandini | ok i'll just photoshop it, maybe i will like it afterall |
| 04:38.38 | Yssaril | fyi you need a colorwheel with diameter of at least 4513.5166683820508 to represent 16million colors |
| 04:38.53 | ckknight | figured |
| 04:38.54 | Nandini | with no alpha slider or swatch, i can stack 4.5 controls on top of each other in one screen |
| 04:39.20 | Nandini | however, it's unpretty |
| 04:39.22 | ckknight | ~400/64 |
| 04:39.23 | purl | 6.25 |
| 04:39.27 | ckknight | 6.25 controls. |
| 04:40.00 | NightHawkTheSane | won't that implicitly depend on how big the user makes their config window? |
| 04:40.02 | Nandini | i was just modifying the screenshot you put up earlier, maybe your controls are smaller or your window is taller now? |
| 04:40.14 | CIA-14 | 03sylvanaar * r46605 10Prat/Prat_Modules/ (frames/popup.xml modules/PopupMessage.lua): |
| 04:40.14 | CIA-14 | Prat: Substantial change to the appearance of the popup. It now has a border |
| 04:40.14 | CIA-14 | colored according to the chat type, and has a variable size which closely |
| 04:40.14 | CIA-14 | borders the chat text. Also, the fade-in/out is more closely controlled. |
| 04:40.16 | sylvanaar | this will make someone complain |
| 04:40.51 | ckknight | Nandini: *shrug* I just do math |
| 04:41.08 | Speeddymon | how come is files.wowace.com taking so long to update from svn? i uploaded some changes like 8 hrs ago and they still havent shown up.. |
| 04:41.14 | Nandini | also your controls seem to be using zero vertical padding in your sample |
| 04:42.03 | ckknight | oh yea, that'll change to 2-3 padding |
| 04:43.02 | Nandini | http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7382/jokerwith4wheelsug5.jpg |
| 04:43.17 | Yssaril | Speeddymon: i jsut updated mine about 30min ago and it was up in about 5-10 min i think |
| 04:43.55 | Yssaril | have to agree with nandini that looks cluttered |
| 04:44.55 | ckknight | Nandini: the sliders are going away, which makes it nicer |
| 04:45.10 | ckknight | and it's closer together than that |
| 04:45.11 | Nandini | ok that gets rid of half the controls, that will help |
| 04:45.17 | Nandini | but closer together is BAD |
| 04:45.26 | ckknight | ...no, it doesn't look bad |
| 04:45.43 | ckknight | and seriously, I'm just gonna stop listening soon, people keep giving me bad advice and delaying what I'm doing |
| 04:45.50 | Borked|Raider | :) |
| 04:45.52 | ckknight | comment after I'm finished |
| 04:46.07 | Borked|Raider | i complemented it! |
| 04:46.15 | ckknight | *thumbs up* |
| 04:46.16 | Tem | what huh? |
| 04:46.19 | Tem | unit tests? |
| 04:46.19 | Borked|Raider | :P |
| 04:46.29 | Tem | non-dumbshit development practices? |
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| 04:47.38 | Yssaril | ckknight: anyword on a fix for AceComm? |
| 04:47.50 | ckknight | no |
| 04:48.01 | ckknight | Tem: yea, unit tests are important |
| 04:48.10 | ckknight | Tem: it's in every library |
| 04:48.30 | Tem | _in_ ? |
| 04:48.34 | Tem | fail |
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| 04:48.47 | Tem | unit test suites are seperate from what they test |
| 04:49.08 | ckknight | yea, I've had this discussion 5 times now |
| 04:49.38 | Borked|Raider | But anyway, last word on the color picker before going to bed. If you wanted to safe space, a way to do it was to make a dropdown menu where you sellect the part you changing color for. would give more space and room for even more then 4 color pickers. But anyway. Night. |
| 04:50.39 | Wobwork | ahah |
| 04:50.40 | Wobwork | http://xkcd.com/303/ |
| 04:50.40 | Wobwork | win |
| 04:51.00 | Tem | well, I don't feel like having a discussion about it because I'm tired as hell and going to bed, but props for doing it at all, anyway. It helps catch bugs before they get released. |
| 04:51.11 | ckknight | that was the idea |
| 04:51.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobwork: total win. especially the hover. |
| 04:51.29 | Tem | still, though, unit tests aren't supposed to be built into whatever they test |
| 04:52.05 | Wobwork | I can't but recall those times in the lab |
| 04:52.13 | Wobwork | Doing eiffel |
| 04:52.23 | Wobwork | and screaming "I'M MELLLLTING!!" |
| 04:52.27 | NightHawkTheSane | oh god, eiffel. >< |
| 04:52.41 | Wobwork | yep |
| 04:52.50 | Wobwork | one of our lecturers was an author |
| 04:52.54 | Wobwork | of Eiffel |
| 04:53.03 | NightHawkTheSane | my university used eiffel in it's CS classes. |
| 04:53.24 | Wobwork | I guess, as a training language, it's good for teaching |
| 04:53.31 | Wobwork | God knows what I actually learned from it though |
| 04:53.39 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, it was alright for teaching ood |
| 04:53.45 | Wobwork | aside from "No functions greater than 4 lines" |
| 04:53.56 | Wobwork | and "if you indent incorrectly, I'll mark you wrong" |
| 04:54.02 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 04:54.22 | Wobwork | well hate is a strong word |
| 04:54.30 | Wobwork | and it was many years ago |
| 04:54.38 | art3mis | meh i think i need to buy another psp or trade some computer parts for one |
| 04:55.28 | art3mis | accidently bricked mine |
| 04:55.39 | art3mis | like 2 months back but still |
| 04:55.42 | art3mis | i miss it |
| 04:55.54 | CIA-14 | 03sylvanaar * r46607 10Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: Revert to internal event UID implementation for now |
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| 05:01.14 | ckknight | how do I easily convert blp to tga? |
| 05:01.55 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6127-BLP2PNG.html |
| 05:01.57 | Wobwork | there's a conversion program somewhere on wowi |
| 05:02.06 | Wobwork | fingars liek LAZARS |
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| 05:02.19 | Wobwork | I swear she has a macro for that =P |
| 05:02.25 | Cairenn | nope |
| 05:02.48 | Wobwork | a list of urls to copy/paste from? |
| 05:02.51 | Cairenn | how could I, different things asked for |
| 05:02.56 | Cairenn | nope |
| 05:03.04 | Wobwork | Bookmarks? |
| 05:03.18 | Cairenn | go to site, go to appropriate download category, find mod, copy link, paste - really not hard :p |
| 05:03.24 | Wobwork | An ineffable ablilty to recall and type out long urls on command? |
| 05:03.29 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:03.58 | art3mis | well it IS her site |
| 05:04.15 | Nandini | the converter doesn't work for all BLPs tho |
| 05:04.28 | art3mis | a mod that converts large letters into small? why thats mod 3142-convertor ;P |
| 05:04.32 | Cairenn | bug the author |
| 05:05.00 | Nandini | there is a BLP to PNG convertor that does work pretty well tho, and you can always just select layer transparency in PS to create a new alpha channel and save as TGA if you must have it in TGA |
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| 05:06.17 | ckknight | I just need to view them |
| 05:06.34 | art3mis | have you tried squinting? |
| 05:07.18 | Wobwork | hm, there was a viewer I recall |
| 05:07.25 | Wobwork | it may be in my wow folder at home |
| 05:10.22 | ckknight | I use a mac, this is an issue |
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| 05:11.07 | Wobwork | hm |
| 05:11.12 | Wobwork | it probably won't work for you then |
| 05:11.44 | Wobwork | http://osx.iusethis.com/app/blpviewer |
| 05:11.45 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. a two second google search turned up a blp viewer/converter for osx. |
| 05:11.46 | Wobwork | maybe? |
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| 05:12.03 | Wobwork | we're obviously google twins, NightHawk =) |
| 05:12.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobwork: or, more likely, merely marginally intelligent. :) |
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| 05:13.48 | Wobwork | http://users.ninja.org.uk/~jonathan/funstuff/2003/11/Anorexia.jpg |
| 05:14.00 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 05:15.04 | Nandini | you were right ck, the color control doesn't look quite as scary without all the sliders |
| 05:15.19 | Nandini | could easily get 6 on a page with 4 pixel padding |
| 05:15.21 | Nandini | http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/7219/jokerwith5wheelsxx2.jpg |
| 05:15.47 | Wobwork | although |
| 05:15.55 | Wobwork | are you supporting mousewheeling on the numbers? |
| 05:16.01 | Wobwork | in place of sliders |
| 05:16.42 | ckknight | yes |
| 05:16.46 | ckknight | oh |
| 05:16.46 | ckknight | hrm |
| 05:16.50 | ckknight | that seems like a good idea |
| 05:16.53 | ckknight | sure, I will |
| 05:16.57 | Nandini | i find those wheel-over scrolls counterintuitive on a pane that already has its own scrollbar |
| 05:17.03 | Nandini | but i like the idea :) |
| 05:17.26 | Nandini | you don't get much room on the pane to use your scroll wheel to actually scroll the pane down with all those controls on it :) |
| 05:17.28 | ckknight | Nandini: I'm adding the colorful value slider |
| 05:17.38 | ckknight | and I'm thinking I'll add a colorful alpha slider |
| 05:17.48 | ckknight | that way, you don't have to ever use the numbers to get colors you want |
| 05:17.59 | Nandini | hue slider? or value slider?\ |
| 05:18.29 | Nandini | am i interpreting slider = ramp? |
| 05:18.46 | ckknight | value |
| 05:18.51 | ckknight | hue is handled by the wheel |
| 05:18.53 | Nandini | (slider with a colorbar in the center instead of just a line) |
| 05:19.08 | ckknight | no, it's a slider that goes from black to white |
| 05:19.24 | ckknight | or black to the current hue/sat with 100% val |
| 05:19.52 | Nandini | i always think people get confused when using hsV rather than hsL |
| 05:20.46 | Nandini | i was going to suggest that without sliders, there is plenty of horizontal space to actually write out Red Green Blue, Hue, Sat, Val |
| 05:21.18 | Nandini | but maybe not if there are alpha and value ramps to one side |
| 05:21.23 | ckknight | but then I have to localize... |
| 05:21.43 | Nandini | HSV is already localized :P |
| 05:22.10 | Grum | OMG ckknight you have unittests! |
| 05:22.14 | Grum | *purr* |
| 05:22.35 | ckknight | Nandini: is red/green/blue? |
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| 05:22.51 | ckknight | Grum: yep |
| 05:22.59 | daemoen | hey guys, any wow winers present? |
| 05:23.10 | Nandini | true, are all your other controls wordless? |
| 05:23.17 | ckknight | yea |
| 05:23.36 | Grum | ckknight: modules without testing are scary! ... nice :D |
| 05:23.37 | Wobwork | daemoen: I use wine |
| 05:23.57 | daemoen | Wobwork, you running through opengl or d3d? |
| 05:24.21 | Wobwork | opengl |
| 05:24.34 | daemoen | you suffer from the laggy mouse problem that everyone else seems to have? |
| 05:24.43 | CIA-14 | 03sylvanaar * r46609 10Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: Make sure the original message is saved before linkification |
| 05:24.44 | Nandini | hmm well RGB also = rot, grün, blau in german, so we can't ask one of these guys to test that |
| 05:24.49 | Wobwork | daemoen: not at all |
| 05:24.56 | daemoen | what vid specs? |
| 05:25.03 | Wobwork | I got me an 8800 |
| 05:25.10 | Wobwork | which may account for lack of problems =) |
| 05:25.11 | CIA-14 | 03sylvanaar * r46610 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/ (Filtering.lua PopupMessage.lua): Prat: Allow filtering out of bg leave/join |
| 05:25.35 | daemoen | gts or gtx? |
| 05:25.40 | Nandini | i wonder if RGB = RVA in spanish |
| 05:25.46 | Nandini | 8800 ultra baby! |
| 05:25.49 | ckknight | Nandini: "rott", not "rot" |
| 05:25.52 | daemoen | gtx ultra? |
| 05:25.57 | ckknight | afaik |
| 05:26.20 | daemoen | .... thats a $1000 video card... what in the hell is someone doing with a gtx ultra :p |
| 05:26.26 | Nandini | lol rott in german means "rot" in english |
| 05:26.32 | Nandini | rot in german means "red" in english |
| 05:27.04 | ckknight | really? |
| 05:27.06 | ckknight | hrm |
| 05:27.08 | Nandini | yup |
| 05:27.13 | ckknight | okay |
| 05:27.41 | Nandini | lots of scary false cognates like that |
| 05:27.44 | Wobwork | 8800 GTX |
| 05:28.02 | Nandini | you don't want to tell someone who just finished painting their barn that it's a pretty rotten color :) |
| 05:28.08 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom's a false cognate. |
| 05:28.40 | daemoen | 320 or 640 version Wobwork ? |
| 05:28.51 | Nandini | my mom died 9 years ago, still a tender subject, thanks |
| 05:29.43 | Nandini | you can get an ultra for $600 now i think |
| 05:29.55 | Nandini | or a pair for just under $1100 after rebates :) dual-sli ftw! |
| 05:30.07 | Nandini | of course, you could buy like 4 entire e-machines for that |
| 05:30.16 | Grum | i have a rather silly problem - i'm connected to this irc-server through an irssi proxy and for some stupid reason all messages get prepended by a + or a - .. is this 'normal' ? :\ |
| 05:30.40 | daemoen | nandini: 8800 gtx ultra? umm, no. |
| 05:30.47 | Grum | (is this the irc-server doing stupid stuff or a client being an ass - havent done traffic dumps yet .. so dont know for sure) |
| 05:30.51 | daemoen | 8800 gtx 640 yes, but the ultra no. |
| 05:31.40 | Nandini | oh i was talking aobut the 8800 ultra only, didn't realize there was a gtx ultra |
| 05:31.51 | daemoen | ahh, yeah. |
| 05:31.55 | daemoen | 8800 gtx ultra :-D |
| 05:32.00 | daemoen | best card on the market right now |
| 05:32.31 | daemoen | 768 MB vid ram dedicated |
| 05:32.37 | Nandini | http://www.buy.com/prod/xfx-geforce-8800-ultra-extreme-768mb-650mhz-pci-express-x16-sli-ready/q/loc/101/204588740.html |
| 05:32.41 | Nandini | that's the one i was looking at |
| 05:33.20 | daemoen | * nods * |
| 05:33.29 | daemoen | there is a better one out now |
| 05:33.33 | Nandini | where can you get the gtx ultra? is it shipping anywhere? |
| 05:33.39 | daemoen | * shakes * |
| 05:33.40 | daemoen | nope :-D |
| 05:33.47 | daemoen | we get to play with it at work |
| 05:33.50 | daemoen | i want a few for home, lol |
| 05:34.00 | Nandini | i'd like a pair to throw in here :) |
| 05:34.27 | Nandini | Grum: the + and - may be indicating which nicks are registered and which are not |
| 05:34.44 | daemoen | just since april, the company i work for has spent 105K+ on video cards ALONE |
| 05:34.58 | Grum | Nandini: yeah figured that but .. somehow they are showing and i have no idea as of now what is causing it :) |
| 05:35.56 | Wobwork | 640 I think daemoen |
| 05:36.15 | syeren | ckknight, what are you working on these days? |
| 05:36.31 | ckknight | LibJokerConfig-1.0 |
| 05:36.37 | syeren | Ace3. |
| 05:36.49 | Nandini | ck: just occurred to me that having both an alpha slider and value slider could be confusing when the colors picked are the two most common ones: white and black |
| 05:37.02 | ckknight | yep |
| 05:37.30 | ckknight | okay... |
| 05:37.32 | Nandini | especially since there is no simple way of displaying the results of alpha in the swatch |
| 05:37.38 | ckknight | yes there is |
| 05:37.41 | ckknight | I'm working on it |
| 05:37.44 | Nandini | oh wait, put your pic of sam under the swatch! |
| 05:38.20 | ckknight | I was basically going to do something like that |
| 05:38.26 | ckknight | I'm looking for a good texture now |
| 05:38.29 | ckknight | to be the under-texture |
| 05:38.51 | Nandini | you should probably desaturate whatever texture you choose |
| 05:39.08 | ckknight | yea |
| 05:39.10 | Nandini | i wonder if there is a legible looking 30-60px joker card? |
| 05:39.15 | ckknight | what I really want is a checker pattern |
| 05:39.26 | syeren | ckknight, the buff filtering bug still happens on Pitbull :( |
| 05:39.35 | ckknight | I know, cause I never fixed it |
| 05:39.50 | syeren | Any idea how it got broken? You had it working perfect :P |
| 05:39.55 | ckknight | no |
| 05:40.27 | Nandini | i'll make you a quick 64x64px 8x8square checkerboard in 33% and 66% grey |
| 05:40.45 | syeren | Any ETA on a fix :P? It's kind of an important feature in the arena :) |
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| 05:41.07 | Nandini | or is it faster to just draw that with 64 little frames and no texture? |
| 05:41.17 | Nandini | nvm, stupid question :) |
| 05:41.27 | Diao | hmm |
| 05:41.34 | Diao | anyone know why wow would randomly go all white |
| 05:41.46 | Diao | unable to see anything but sound works fine until reboot |
| 05:41.54 | Wobwork | screen burnout? =) |
| 05:42.07 | Diao | it's not the screen |
| 05:42.08 | Diao | only wow :( |
| 05:43.14 | ckknight | Nandini: I want to use a texture in WoW already. |
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| 05:43.25 | ckknight | thus having it so I don't have to include a texture with the library itself |
| 05:44.04 | Nandini | there is a checkerboard in wow, it's named test something |
| 05:44.36 | Nandini | you'll want to settexcoord on it to scale it up and clip it tho, i think it has like 64x64 actual blocks |
| 05:44.43 | ckknight | ooh |
| 05:46.05 | ckknight | Nandini: the one named test isn't in Blizzard Interface Art... |
| 05:46.08 | ckknight | :-( |
| 05:47.36 | Nandini | i can get it out of the mpq, hang on |
| 05:47.39 | Borked|Raider | did any of you try out that tool blizzard announced at blizzcon? |
| 05:47.48 | Nandini | get you the actual path and filename to it that is |
| 05:47.54 | Nandini | and the texcoords to use |
| 05:48.10 | ckknight | awesome. |
| 05:48.28 | Nandini | i think it's black + white squares, i dunno if you can use setvertexcolor on it too to get it a bit more gray iteself before putting another swatch over it |
| 05:48.41 | Nandini | i guess black and white doesn't hurt tho |
| 05:48.41 | ckknight | yea, I can |
| 05:48.49 | ckknight | that's what I need |
| 05:48.50 | Nandini | black and white is probably best as is |
| 05:50.04 | Nandini | i can't remember where it's at, i think it's in tileset, they used it for a placeholder for terrain they hadn't covered yet |
| 05:50.31 | Nandini | yup there's one called checkers and one called checkers alpha |
| 05:50.49 | Nandini | let me make sure one actually does not have alpha :) |
| 05:51.24 | ckknight | path? |
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| 05:52.41 | Nandini | will this texture work? http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7791/checkerslg7.png |
| 05:52.50 | Nandini | one sec, writing out the path and double-checking |
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| 05:53.48 | Nandini | it's at Tileset\\Generic\\Checkers.blp |
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| 05:54.23 | Trela | Hello people. :O |
| 05:54.48 | Nandini | recommend you use 0, 0, 0.5, 0.5 to crop it, otherwise scaling 128x128 down to around 40-60px is just gonna look fuzzy and grey |
| 05:55.04 | Nandini | or 0.4999999 or however they do that |
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| 05:55.26 | ckknight | hrm, that's a bit odd |
| 05:55.30 | ckknight | but hell, it'll work |
| 05:55.46 | Nandini | did i get the wrong path? |
| 05:55.51 | ckknight | no, right path |
| 05:55.56 | ckknight | the blue lines are a bit weird |
| 05:56.15 | ckknight | desaturated looks fine, though |
| 05:56.19 | Nandini | oh the x across the top, that's to help them see the "real" grid |
| 05:57.03 | Nandini | also the diagonals become orthogonal centers on bumpy terrain, so it helps them line up objects more easily |
| 05:57.16 | Nandini | for things they want to appear straight, like walls |
| 05:58.44 | Nandini | for your future reference there are also Blue.blp, Grey.blp, Green.blp, Red.blp, Yellow.blp, Black.blp in the same folder |
| 06:01.10 | Nandini | there's also a checkers with full 50% alpha, for a floor you can sort of see through :) |
| 06:01.23 | ckknight | kinda neat |
| 06:03.44 | Nandini | i built my top and bottom bar areas using eepanels and in-game textures |
| 06:04.04 | Nandini | so i spent a lot of time looking through them all to find exactly the ones i wanted |
| 06:07.51 | Grum | ckknight: is Joker an Ace3-prototype or Ace3 itself? |
| 06:07.58 | ckknight | one of those |
| 06:08.23 | Nandini | it has come to my attention that an ace addon is being distributed that contains unlicensed fonts (they're not freeware) |
| 06:08.25 | Grum | *slap* |
| 06:08.39 | Grum | ckknight: wrong answer :) |
| 06:08.40 | ckknight | Nandini: which one? |
| 06:08.43 | Wobwork | Nandini: which one? |
| 06:08.44 | ckknight | Grum: why's that? |
| 06:08.49 | Jaxon | Nandini: which one? |
| 06:08.52 | Jaxon | I felt left out :( |
| 06:08.56 | Grum | it can be either one .. pick one :) |
| 06:08.56 | ckknight | lol, Jaxon |
| 06:09.05 | Grum | it kinda defines your way of work ;D |
| 06:09.13 | Nandini | someone just told me they are using clearfont and it has the callibri fonts from MS Office 2007 included with it |
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| 06:09.46 | Nandini | including a pre-release version of callibri that was not meant for distribution at all beyond the office 12 beta |
| 06:09.58 | Wobwork | Nandini: have a chat to Kirkburn |
| 06:10.11 | Wobwork | see if it's the official release |
| 06:10.12 | Nandini | i'll just ask my friend to talk to the author |
| 06:10.22 | NightHawkTheSane | that reminds me. I wanted to see how helvetica looked in game. |
| 06:10.31 | Nandini | yeah i checked, it's part of the package everyone downloads from files.wowace |
| 06:10.50 | Kirkburn | Er, yeah, I just include it cause people asked for it as an option |
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| 06:10.53 | Nandini | it's possible the author got permission |
| 06:10.57 | Nandini | oh you're here :) |
| 06:11.12 | Nandini | sorry, didn't mean to talk about you "behind your back" |
| 06:11.16 | Kirkburn | np |
| 06:11.26 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, he camein once, and won't leave. oh, wait. that's me. nevermind. |
| 06:11.29 | Grum | +l |
| 06:11.46 | Jaxon | Grum: I'm pretty sure he gave you the best answer you are going to get. |
| 06:11.48 | ckknight | sorry, back |
| 06:11.54 | RaydenUni | what's the highest avg crit for a mage? |
| 06:11.57 | ckknight | Grum: I can't, if I commit to it being Ace3, then people yell at me |
| 06:12.15 | Wobwork | RaydenUni: that's like saying what's the length of a piece of string |
| 06:12.30 | Jaxon | Isn't Calibri the default in ClearFont2? |
| 06:12.31 | RaydenUni | raid gear 70 |
| 06:12.39 | RaydenUni | i just need a number for discussing with a friend |
| 06:12.42 | Wobwork | oh, sorry 'Average crit is twice half the average crit normally =P" |
| 06:13.00 | RaydenUni | ok, max crit |
| 06:13.09 | Trela | Perhaps I just can not see it as I work on updating my AddOn to use Ace2 stuffs, but which Ace2 module is for making the menu systems? |
| 06:13.22 | Wobwork | Dewdrop |
| 06:13.38 | Wobwork | although you may want to have other options if your menus end up too complex |
| 06:14.02 | Grum | ckknight: well you know what to do then .. just checking :D |
| 06:14.18 | Wobwork | anything more than say, three deep, can be too fiddly to deal with after a while |
| 06:14.46 | Trela | About the extent of my options. http://media5.curse-gaming.com/images/previews/21387/flagRSP2-3.jpg |
| 06:15.04 | Trela | I make people load large PNGs and stuff to click on those. :P |
| 06:15.18 | Wobwork | that's about three deep, yeah? |
| 06:15.29 | Trela | Maybe two. |
| 06:16.51 | Trela | Thanks. :3 |
| 06:17.12 | Trela | Main Menu --> Enhanced Tool Tip --> Clicky stuff. |
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| 06:27.43 | ckknight | so people know, Joker is not Ace3, it is merely a prototype. With proper community support and commentary, said prototype can and may become the actual Ace3. First, I have to finish the preliminary config system, though. Once that happens, I'll put up design documents and wikify it et al and proper discussions can commence. |
| 06:29.09 | Nandini | If you want a hand writing some documentation I'm always available for you to scream at and say "no, you're NOT SUPPOSED TO USE IT THAT WAY" |
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| 06:29.44 | ckknight | well, the code documentation itself is good, design documentation hasn't really started, though. That's all in my head |
| 06:32.20 | Nandini | well if you need anyone to ask you the hard question "why did you do it that way and why should others do it that way" and make you answer it half a dozen times, let me know :) |
| 06:33.19 | Kirkburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.34 | ckknight | more cats. |
| 06:33.50 | Wobwork | meowwiki was kinda cool =\ |
| 06:34.00 | Kirkburn | Willy still links it |
| 06:34.18 | ckknight | Kirkburn: Cosmos is prominently featured but Ace doesn't seem to be very much at all |
| 06:34.20 | ckknight | *shrug* |
| 06:34.41 | Kirkburn | you have your own wiki |
| 06:34.50 | Kirkburn | Cosmos' stuff is on WoWWiki :P |
| 06:35.00 | Kirkburn | But apaaaaart from that, I mean site improvements |
| 06:35.12 | Kirkburn | Plugins, extensions, new code, what should be developed for it |
| 06:35.22 | ckknight | the World_of_Warcraft_API page has a lot of red |
| 06:35.24 | Kirkburn | How can it be improved to help you more? |
| 06:35.56 | Wobwork | Kirkburn: Can it heal my raid? |
| 06:35.57 | ckknight | you know what'd be pimp? If Blizzard got off their ass and published a proper API |
| 06:36.09 | ckknight | not to disparage your effort, but your effort should never have actually happened. |
| 06:36.12 | Nandini | yes, instead of us guessing at parameters and types |
| 06:36.23 | Wobwork | (Hyper isn't here, so I'm standing in for the munk) |
| 06:36.23 | Nandini | and having to brute force discover methods |
| 06:36.32 | ckknight | where do I start wrt design documents? |
| 06:36.33 | Kirkburn | ckknight, tis true |
| 06:37.03 | Borked|Raider | ckknight, now that i am not the big user of the hose wowace page, could you descrip short what joker is ? or link a page that tells it :( |
| 06:37.16 | Kirkburn | Perhaps a reword is in order - what do you want the wiki developers to make for you? |
| 06:37.34 | Borked|Raider | hole |
| 06:37.36 | ckknight | um... dunno, honestly |
| 06:37.39 | Kirkburn | I have several things on my list, but I wonder if there's anything UI specific |
| 06:37.41 | ckknight | Borked|Raider: whole |
| 06:37.52 | Jaxon | Kirkburn: I just asked my guild, their consensus is pie. |
| 06:38.01 | Jaxon | I'm sorry, I have nothing constructive to add. |
| 06:38.04 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 06:38.06 | Nandini | the only real useful information i use on wowwiki is the API section, and it's horribly incomplete |
| 06:38.11 | Borked|Raider | ye i am tired(thats properly something on a car) and i dont write properly english! |
| 06:38.24 | Kirkburn | Yeah, not sure how one can make it more complete better |
| 06:38.28 | Nandini | if i want info on quests, items, etc, i go to wowhead, it's faster and for some reason i trust it more |
| 06:38.40 | Jaxon | But I think Kirkburn is looking for improvments that don't involve the content, but the actual wiki itself. |
| 06:38.42 | Wobwork | Nandini: LightHeaded |
| 06:38.47 | Nandini | if i want info on "wow community" i go to popular blogging sites like wowinsider |
| 06:38.47 | Kirkburn | Jaxon, indeed |
| 06:38.49 | Trela | Discovering what the APIs do is a pain unless you get it from the UI/Macros Forum, if it is there, or tinker with them. |
| 06:39.01 | Wobwork | I dunno, I go to wowwiki for raid tactics |
| 06:39.07 | Nandini | yeah lightheaded is awesome for getting comments in-game |
| 06:39.21 | Kirkburn | How might one improve the UI stuff? |
| 06:39.39 | Borked|Raider | was thinking off setting a ekstra pc up for running a wow client that reload ui each 30sec and comunicate with another client ingame and makes it posible to make request from wowhead ingame, that would be somehing :P |
| 06:39.42 | ckknight | blackmail Blizzard |
| 06:39.50 | Kirkburn | I gues pretty much everything has to be manual, so making it easier to create would probably help |
| 06:39.53 | Nandini | i'm not sure YOU can improve it, i think developers are just to lazy to actually edit the blank pages when they figure out how a particular api function works |
| 06:39.58 | ckknight | lol, Borked|Raider |
| 06:40.21 | Borked|Raider | well just imagien with a keypresser it would work and i could read irc ingame |
| 06:40.40 | Grum | *slap* ckknight .. you have something to do ... |
| 06:41.00 | Nandini | you could have a wowhead bot! |
| 06:41.52 | Nandini | let anyone whisper it any partial search term name and 30 seconds later wowheadbot sends back the search results in whisper |
| 06:42.02 | Borked|Raider | :) |
| 06:42.18 | Borked|Raider | well its not that hard to make, only problem is that blizzard wont like it |
| 06:42.53 | Trela | Wow, I never knew about /ace2 list ace2 before. |
| 06:43.14 | Nandini | your search returned 1. (49) items, 2. (3) quests, 3. (1) NPC, which do you want to know about? (1-3) |
| 06:43.26 | Borked|Raider | but wtf i was going to bed 2hours ago and then a poker table popped and i am still in it. normaly its like all in a few times and then out |
| 06:43.27 | ckknight | Grum: I actually am working on it |
| 06:44.28 | Kirkburn | Want info in game? I got what yoooou need :P http://www.wowwiki.com/Main_Page/Adbox |
| 06:44.50 | Nandini | there's also the handy /ace2 list libs |
| 06:44.58 | Kirkburn | (despite the page name it's not exactly an advert) |
| 06:45.35 | Nandini | that's how i discovered i had one addon using an old version of a library embedded |
| 06:45.53 | Nandini | i probably never would have found it otherwise |
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| 06:49.32 | Grum | ckknight: good ;D |
| 06:49.39 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Joker |
| 06:49.42 | Grum | the next url you paste should be just that :D |
| 06:49.43 | Grum | lol |
| 06:53.34 | Nandini | can i start being a bitch on the talk pages? :) |
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| 06:53.44 | Wobwork | go for it |
| 06:54.11 | ckknight | yea, feel free. |
| 06:54.14 | ckknight | just keep it organized. |
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| 06:54.56 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 06:54.56 | CIA-14 | - minor update for zhCN |
| 06:55.11 | Kirkburn | ~seen Mikk |
| 06:55.13 | purl | mikk <n=opera@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 6h 24m 14s ago, saying: 'Or some other in-game code editor'. |
| 06:55.46 | Kirkburn | Dammit |
| 06:56.27 | Jaxon | You can't use inventory slot IDs with #showtooltip can you |
| 06:57.34 | Nandini | you used to be able to in 2.1.1, but it broke in 2.1.2 |
| 06:58.01 | Nandini | it also used to show the cooldowns from the inv slot item if you put the macro into a bar, but it doesn't anymore, you just get a ? |
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| 06:58.48 | Nandini | as an example of the kind of question i would pose: |
| 06:59.26 | Nandini | in the example for LJCon:AddChatCommand, the name of the function added is "OnSlashCommand", which to many authors will sound like an event handler |
| 06:59.52 | Trela | Integrated Ace2 into my pile of poo coding and stuffs is actually surprisingly easy. |
| 06:59.59 | Nandini | do you want authors to think of running a function when a slash command is typed in as handling an event |
| 07:00.09 | ckknight | Nandini: yes |
| 07:00.10 | Nandini | (quite possibly, yes you do, just making sure) |
| 07:00.18 | ckknight | it's basically creating a listener |
| 07:00.23 | ckknight | I may rename the method |
| 07:00.28 | ckknight | :AddSlashCommandListener |
| 07:00.30 | ckknight | or something |
| 07:00.47 | Nandini | AddSlashCommandPseudoEventListener? :) |
| 07:01.00 | ckknight | no |
| 07:01.13 | Nandini | is it a real event listener? just curious because of the upper-case now |
| 07:01.25 | ckknight | oh, that's a blizzardism |
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| 07:01.52 | Nandini | the constant casing makes it look like an event name constant |
| 07:01.55 | ckknight | basically, the chatframe editbox receives the OnEnter message |
| 07:02.00 | ckknight | it checks if it's a /slash command |
| 07:02.12 | ckknight | if so, it iterates through the slash commands and fires the proper callback |
| 07:02.47 | Nandini | these are the kinds of questions i would ask on the talk page, are they appropriate or do i just not know enough about ace yet? |
| 07:03.21 | Grum | well ace should take that knowledge away from you |
| 07:03.29 | Grum | or the need to know that knowledge |
| 07:03.31 | Nandini | or does me not knowing enough help you write clearer documentation for other new users who know nothing |
| 07:04.05 | ckknight | feel free to ask |
| 07:04.07 | ckknight | *shrug* |
| 07:04.13 | Nandini | (basically, i don't want to fill up the talk page with noobish questions) |
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| 07:04.33 | Grum | Nandini: noobish questions are the best |
| 07:05.12 | Trela | Random quest since I can not seem to google the answer. What the heck does this error message mean? AceAddon: AceOO-2.0: Cannot explicitly inherit from the same mixin twice |
| 07:05.53 | ckknight | oh, you specified something like "AceEvent-2.0", "AceEvent-2.0" |
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| 07:05.55 | ckknight | in a row |
| 07:06.02 | ckknight | check the line number |
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| 07:07.05 | Nandini | is it possible with autodoc to categorize functions so they aren't just listed alphabetically? |
| 07:07.19 | Trela | Checking. |
| 07:07.36 | Trela | There is it! *checks her eyes again* |
| 07:08.58 | Trela | Thanks CK. |
| 07:09.08 | Nandini | for example, it would make sense to have a category for "Adding and removing chat slash commands" 1. :AddChatCommand(...) 2. :RemoveChatCommand(...) 3. :RemoveAllChatCommands(...) |
| 07:09.17 | ckknight | Nandini: hrm, there really should be... |
| 07:09.33 | ckknight | hey Antiarc, request for Autodoc: categorization of functions so it's not necessarily alphabetical |
| 07:09.57 | Nandini | otherwise i'd really recommend renaming your functions ChatCommandAdd, ChatCommandRemove, ChatCommandRemoveAll |
| 07:10.05 | Nandini | as yucky as that would be |
| 07:10.06 | ckknight | bah, no |
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| 07:10.07 | CIA-14 | KC_Items: |
| 07:10.07 | CIA-14 | - Redone Fence Support |
| 07:10.07 | CIA-14 | - Fixed Critical bug in GetLongCode |
| 07:10.07 | CIA-14 | - KC_Fence now has different functionality than regular fence. |
| 07:10.08 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.10 | CIA-14 | - Begun conversion to new new tooltip format. Currently assumes low range is desired. |
| 07:10.32 | ckknight | everything follows the :Get/:Set/:Add/:Has/:Remove/:RemoveAll naming system |
| 07:10.39 | Nandini | excellent |
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| 07:11.01 | Nandini | now if autodoc could group them and order them arbitrarily from metadocumentation in code |
| 07:11.11 | ckknight | lol, nah |
| 07:11.16 | ckknight | wait, yes |
| 07:11.18 | ckknight | definitely |
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| 07:11.50 | Nandini | that way you get "Functions to print data to a chat window" 1. :Print(...) 2. :CustomPrint(...) since those aren't alphabetical |
| 07:12.09 | Nandini | I haven't seen your source, but I'd wager you actually organize them that way in the source itself |
| 07:14.01 | Nandini | that way you don't have :GetThis :GetThat :GetTheOtherThing halfway down the documentation page and :SetThis :SetThat :SetTheOtherThing all the way at the end |
| 07:14.34 | CIA-14 | 03kodewulf * r46613 10Cartographer_Vendors/ (Artwork/Repair.blp Artwork/Weapon.blp addon.lua): |
| 07:14.34 | CIA-14 | Cartographer_Vendors |
| 07:14.34 | CIA-14 | - Updated Artwork |
| 07:14.34 | CIA-14 | - Added option to disable minimap tracking circles |
| 07:17.42 | Nandini | should be possible to extend autodoc to include metatags for CategoryName, MethodIndex at the very least |
| 07:18.17 | Nandini | your categories would still be alphabetical unless you could include a definition of categories and categoryindexes at the top |
| 07:20.16 | Nandini | that would help make the autodoc generated pages a valuable guided learning experience instead of just a reference |
| 07:21.01 | Nandini | even better if you can order the categories with an index so you introduce new topics in a way that makes sense |
| 07:21.53 | Nandini | or if none of that can be done, a simple metatag to turn off alphabetization and present functions in the order they're encountered in the code |
| 07:22.21 | Nandini | because i bet you have related functions grouped together in the code |
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| 07:23.43 | Nandini | maybe by just putting a #NO_ABC at the top |
| 07:25.21 | ckknight | imho, having categorization would be better |
| 07:25.54 | Nandini | yeah it would give you full control, and you wouldn't have to rearrange all the code if you later decide "hey, i really should have introduced this function to new authors first" |
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| 07:27.34 | Nandini | finally, i make a suggestion that involves work for someone other than you :) |
| 07:28.12 | Nandini | btw, i got my PitBull_ClassBars to work flawlessly once I hacked them into MetaLayout |
| 07:29.16 | Nandini | i still can't get my ClassIcon quite right tho, but I'm sure i'll figure it out |
| 07:30.10 | ckknight | Borked|Raider: ? |
| 07:30.16 | Borked|Raider | ? |
| 07:30.27 | ckknight | freeroll? |
| 07:30.28 | Borked|Raider | poker |
| 07:30.31 | Borked|Raider | :P |
| 07:30.42 | Nandini | can my PB module tell metalayout about itself, or do bars, icons, and texts always have to be hardcoded into metalayout? |
| 07:30.43 | Borked|Raider | poker turnament |
| 07:31.04 | Borked|Raider | cost 0 and chance to win = freeroll |
| 07:31.19 | Trela | Did... Ace... just WHAT. *explodes* It just did all the slash command stuff with a few lines of code. :O |
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| 07:34.18 | cncfanatics | g'morning all |
| 07:34.46 | Nandini | howdy |
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| 07:35.53 | cncfanatics | time to code GUI & slashcommands :( |
| 07:36.11 | ckknight | Nandini: hardcoded, sadly |
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| 07:36.34 | cncfanatics | ckknight, one more idea for Ace3 |
| 07:36.42 | Nandini | well, i can see why you don't have a lot of time to devote to it now, i'm happy with it working on my local copy :) |
| 07:36.43 | cncfanatics | more advanced slashcommands |
| 07:36.56 | Nandini | less is more! |
| 07:37.47 | Megalon | Nandini: only when you got cheese! |
| 07:38.07 | Borked|Raider | 1/4 all chips and 22 players left |
| 07:38.29 | ckknight | cncfanatics: lol, slashcommands are becoming bare-bones |
| 07:38.44 | cncfanatics | some addons love them |
| 07:38.49 | ckknight | i.e. developer-designed |
| 07:38.55 | ckknight | yes, but it's on an addon-by-addon basis |
| 07:38.59 | cncfanatics | true |
| 07:39.38 | Nandini | slash commands are SO vulernable to typos that the end-user has no way to "debug" when they get more than 2 or 3 levels deep |
| 07:40.18 | ckknight | yea |
| 07:40.23 | cncfanatics | well, Ace's slashcommand system sucks imo |
| 07:40.25 | ckknight | slash commands are a poor man's gui |
| 07:40.26 | Nandini | unless LibJokerConsole plans to say "abc is not a valid option, did you mean to type abd?" |
| 07:40.27 | cncfanatics | I love the flexbar-style slashcommands |
| 07:40.48 | ckknight | Nandini: LibJokerConsole just took out AceOptions console support |
| 07:40.57 | Nandini | it's all in LJConfig? |
| 07:41.02 | ckknight | take a look at http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Joker |
| 07:41.04 | ckknight | yea, Nandini |
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| 07:42.57 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 07:43.18 | cncfanatics | can OO be done decently in lua with mixins & inheritance without AceOO ? |
| 07:43.45 | Wobin | yes |
| 07:44.25 | Wobin | since AceOO is written in lua, it kinda stands =P |
| 07:44.38 | cncfanatics | "decently" |
| 07:44.50 | Nandini | it sounds like there are actually improvements to be made to AceOO, so apparently it can even be done better than the current AceOO |
| 07:44.52 | cncfanatics | aka, with few lines of code & efficiently |
| 07:45.16 | cncfanatics | well, I use AceOO a lot, of ckk lets me I might rewrote it for Joker, I'm not as good as he is though :p |
| 07:45.58 | ckknight | question, cncfanatics |
| 07:46.12 | ckknight | do you use classes and use class inheritance? |
| 07:46.27 | ckknight | if so, how much? |
| 07:46.49 | ckknight | Nandini: if I make an OO library, it will be a lot simpler, but still powerful |
| 07:47.05 | cncfanatics | let me explain how I use them in FB2 |
| 07:47.16 | cncfanatics | it might sound pointless & stupid, but I like how it works and its easy to code with |
| 07:47.17 | Nandini | allow the basics of prototyping, inheritance, overrides |
| 07:47.24 | cncfanatics | I have a "super" class in the core |
| 07:47.30 | ckknight | k |
| 07:47.54 | cncfanatics | each module I have, can, if it wants, have a "button mixin", which will be mixed into the super class |
| 07:48.26 | ckknight | anyone have any advice wrt to http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Joker#As_a_developer.2C_how_can_I_become_involved.3F ? I'd like to know more ways that as developers, you may want to be involved |
| 07:48.28 | cncfanatics | this pretty much allows me to let modules do exactly what they want |
| 07:48.42 | ckknight | okay |
| 07:48.50 | ckknight | you know how easy manual mixins are? |
| 07:48.55 | ckknight | local mixin = {} |
| 07:48.56 | cncfanatics | nope |
| 07:49.00 | ckknight | function mixin:MyMethod() end |
| 07:49.04 | ckknight | local object = {} |
| 07:49.07 | ckknight | for k,v in pairs(mixin) do |
| 07:49.10 | ckknight | object[k] = v |
| 07:49.11 | ckknight | end |
| 07:49.12 | ckknight | done. |
| 07:49.13 | cncfanatics | I actualy never did any OO outside of AceOO |
| 07:49.18 | cncfanatics | in lua at least |
| 07:49.30 | ckknight | object:MyMethod() now works |
| 07:49.38 | ckknight | and the self points to object, properly |
| 07:49.48 | ckknight | to do "class" inheritance, you can do prototyping as so: |
| 07:50.31 | ckknight | local prototype = { FlingPoo = function() return "Smelly" end }; local prototype_mt = {__index=prototype}; local object = setmetatable({}, prototype_mt); object:FlingPoo() |
| 07:50.57 | ckknight | err, assert(object:FlingPoo() == "Smelly") |
| 07:51.23 | cncfanatics | thats ridiculously easy |
| 07:51.34 | cncfanatics | never thought it'd be that easy heh |
| 07:52.09 | ckknight | if you have a metafield __index that's a table, it will just streamline up to that table |
| 07:52.19 | ckknight | (and maybe that table's __index metafield) |
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| 07:52.28 | cncfanatics | why maybe ? |
| 07:52.31 | cncfanatics | ur not sure are you ? |
| 07:52.42 | ckknight | well, if that table has a __index metafield |
| 07:52.51 | cncfanatics | oh |
| 07:52.56 | ckknight | or if the field itself is on that table, it won't go up to the __index |
| 07:53.04 | ckknight | it stops once a value is found |
| 07:53.06 | cncfanatics | either way, with the code u just shown me I could ditch AceOO, I use it for such basic stuff |
| 07:53.16 | ckknight | yea |
| 07:53.44 | cncfanatics | just would have to make a :new() method and i'm done |
| 07:53.52 | cncfanatics | :new() would pretty much just copy the table wouldnt it ? |
| 07:54.02 | Sole | good evening (morning) |
| 07:54.16 | cncfanatics | Sole, its always morning when u login on irc :p |
| 07:54.31 | Sole | its evening here |
| 07:54.36 | cncfanatics | its morning ! |
| 07:54.36 | Sole | but ya know..ugt |
| 07:54.37 | Sole | ~ugt |
| 07:54.46 | purl | ugt is, like, Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 07:54.46 | Nandini | okay here is a Joker question, other than consistency with the name of the Ace2 ModuleCore library, which is LibJokerModuleCore not simply called LibJokerModule? it doesn't seem to be the core of module support any more than LJConfig is the core of configuration support |
| 07:54.47 | Sole | wtf is the acronym for it |
| 07:55.08 | cncfanatics | purl is just slow, Sole |
| 07:55.18 | Sole | purl, you suck |
| 07:55.19 | purl | and very well I might add |
| 07:55.59 | cncfanatics | <3 purl |
| 07:56.07 | Nandini | i only ask because it is the only joker lib right now with a 2-part looking name |
| 07:56.22 | ckknight | Nandini: oh, because mixing it in is weird otherwise, since what you mix it into is the core and not the module itself |
| 07:56.49 | ckknight | I wish there was a better name |
| 07:56.56 | ckknight | but LibJokerModule doesn't make sense |
| 07:57.08 | Nandini | yes that makes it sound like it is a module itself |
| 07:57.19 | ckknight | cause local Addon = Joker:NewAddon("MyAddon", "LibJokerModule-1.0") |
| 07:57.21 | ckknight | doesn't make sense |
| 07:58.03 | Nandini | it makes sense to me, but it sounds wrong, i see what you mean |
| 07:58.26 | Nandini | i expect the third part of the name to describe what the library supports |
| 07:58.41 | Nandini | or what service it provides |
| 07:59.26 | Nandini | LibJokerModuleCore-1.0 provides support for module cores? |
| 07:59.49 | ckknight | hrm |
| 07:59.51 | Nandini | or IS the module core? |
| 08:00.04 | ckknight | it turns the addon into a module core |
| 08:00.05 | ckknight | basically |
| 08:00.18 | Nandini | LibJokerModularize |
| 08:00.28 | Nandini | lots of nasty typos from that tho |
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| 08:00.59 | Nandini | besides the fact that maybe that's not even a real word. LOL |
| 08:01.27 | Nandini | any thoughts on changing the end-users conception of module to plug-in? |
| 08:03.19 | ckknight | hrm... |
| 08:03.23 | Nandini | LibJokerPlug |
| 08:03.27 | ckknight | perhaps... |
| 08:03.37 | Nandini | developers understand modules |
| 08:03.40 | ckknight | LibJokerFramework |
| 08:03.43 | Nandini | users understandplugins |
| 08:03.49 | Nandini | understand plugins* |
| 08:04.00 | ckknight | it's more similar to a Component system |
| 08:04.10 | Nandini | sometimes it's good to get developers to speak the language of their users |
| 08:04.35 | ckknight | yea |
| 08:04.37 | Nandini | will it primarily handle loading and unloading of modules on demand? |
| 08:05.01 | Nandini | or not at all, and is just adding compoments |
| 08:05.16 | Nandini | (maybe i should just finish reading the autodoc page) :) |
| 08:05.38 | ckknight | no, it doesn't handle LoD stuff |
| 08:06.09 | mitch0 | LibJokerModuleSupport? |
| 08:06.36 | Nandini | my original nitpick was that ModuleCore is 2 words, that's what i was wondering if it could be avoided |
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| 08:07.06 | mitch0 | not much better than Core though, but this Core is just a joker-word (eh), like Misc. doesn't really have a definite meaning |
| 08:07.16 | Nandini | but now it sounds like ck may have an updated concept for modules |
| 08:07.37 | Nandini | so maybe module is no longer the best way to describe it |
| 08:07.49 | ckknight | I like "Component" |
| 08:07.55 | ckknight | not sure how to phrase it, though |
| 08:08.25 | Nandini | yeah, it would make sense for the name to be a verb, since it actually changes the scope of what the main addon is expected to do |
| 08:08.48 | Nandini | but Componentize is not a word |
| 08:09.14 | cncfanatics | hmmm, ckknight, with what you told me earlyer, converting my addon to ace3 would probably just be changing function names |
| 08:09.20 | Arrowmaster | Compartamentalize |
| 08:09.45 | ckknight | Nandini: it is |
| 08:09.55 | ckknight | in my mind, at least |
| 08:10.01 | ckknight | cncfanatics: adding that part now |
| 08:10.24 | Nandini | since it's something that components plug into, socket would be an interesting concept, if it didn't have the networking connotation |
| 08:10.40 | Nandini | provides the framework for componenets to plug into the addon, that is |
| 08:10.48 | Nandini | outlet? |
| 08:11.21 | Nandini | no one would figure out what it did if you called it that |
| 08:11.25 | ckknight | yea... |
| 08:11.27 | Nandini | maybe modulecore is just best |
| 08:11.39 | cncfanatics | modulecore sounds fine imo :) |
| 08:11.48 | Nandini | Modularize or Componentize would be fun tho |
| 08:12.16 | Nandini | Componentify |
| 08:12.22 | cncfanatics | dont need more headaches then we already get when coding due to crappy names do we ? |
| 08:12.36 | cncfanatics | I dont want to call the COmponentify function each time I register a module :) |
| 08:13.02 | Nandini | maybe it's not a module, maybe it's a component or a plugin |
| 08:13.36 | Nandini | LibJokerPluginator |
| 08:13.50 | cncfanatics | LibJokerKillNandiniForHisCrappyNaming |
| 08:14.29 | Borked|Raider | :PP |
| 08:14.40 | cncfanatics | I dont feel like coding heh |
| 08:14.45 | cncfanatics | damn festival is too close |
| 08:14.50 | cncfanatics | so im gonna go play some kotor |
| 08:14.52 | [Ammo] | going to lowlands? |
| 08:15.03 | cncfanatics | pukkelpop |
| 08:15.05 | [Ammo] | ah |
| 08:15.09 | Borked|Raider | haha i havent felt like coding for a week now, its been just looking at the screen and 2min lator i am on the bed wathcing tv :( |
| 08:15.10 | cncfanatics | belgian festival, which u prolly dont know |
| 08:15.17 | [Ammo] | cncfanatics: actually I heard of it |
| 08:15.21 | cncfanatics | u did ? :o |
| 08:15.26 | cncfanatics | where u from ? |
| 08:15.27 | [Ammo] | cncfanatics: I R teh dutch |
| 08:15.32 | cncfanatics | amg |
| 08:15.39 | cncfanatics | pukkelpop ownt :p |
| 08:15.41 | [Ammo] | Enschede :p |
| 08:16.22 | ckknight | cncfanatics: actually it'd be :AddComponent or something to that regard |
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| 08:16.38 | cncfanatics | just make it AddModule ? sounds so much better imo :p |
| 08:17.06 | [Ammo] | :CreateGibberish |
| 08:17.11 | cncfanatics | hehe |
| 08:17.16 | ckknight | whatever, it stays ModuleCore for now |
| 08:18.21 | dreamss | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/757249/make_a_glowing_tomato/ |
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| 08:19.43 | Nandini | in my mind, if something is a component, that means it is a part of something that provides a certain portion of that thing's required funtionality |
| 08:19.54 | cryogen | well last night was fun |
| 08:19.57 | Nandini | it sounds like a required part of the complete package |
| 08:20.00 | cryogen | got lurker to 33%! |
| 08:20.29 | Nandini | hmm maybe not necessarily required tho |
| 08:20.51 | Nandini | i can remove some components from my truck and it will still get the basic job done that it was designed to do |
| 08:21.44 | Nandini | some components i can't remove tho, if i take out the battery, it's useless |
| 08:22.06 | NeoTron | yaya. 5 down in 4 hrs in SSC |
| 08:22.10 | NeoTron | woot |
| 08:22.29 | ckknight | awesome, dreamss |
| 08:24.05 | Nandini | do we all have non-safety matches, test tubes, and syringes in our households? |
| 08:26.06 | Megalon | Nandini: the only thing i can't find is a tomato :( |
| 08:27.03 | Grum | cryogen: you will kill lurker tonight then - how were you doing it? |
| 08:27.17 | Grum | ckknight: good job on the wiki :) |
| 08:27.30 | Grum | just add a bit more of you know what ;) |
| 08:28.01 | cryogen | Grum: hopefully! we would have downed him on the 33% try, but a warlock pulled aggro on a melee add and wiped one whole platform's dps and healers :( |
| 08:28.06 | ckknight | Grum: what do I add? |
| 08:28.51 | cryogen | Grum: i managed to pursuade them that healers standing on platforms was a bad idea, and that seemed to help things a lot |
| 08:29.13 | cryogen | our last try was going really well and then the fish respawned(sucks that they do that while in combat :() |
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| 08:29.49 | Grum | which tactic did you use? swimming MT or 2 tanks and accepting knockbacks? |
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| 08:30.24 | cryogen | hmm |
| 08:30.27 | cryogen | that im not sure of |
| 08:30.35 | cryogen | fairly sure we only have one MT though |
| 08:30.55 | Grum | what we do is having the tank swim in the water so it will not get slapped out of meleerange during whirls |
| 08:31.36 | cryogen | i just stand far away and melt stuff's faces, dont worry about minor details such as tanking |
| 08:31.51 | Grum | what we do: 1 mage and 1 lock on the platforms |
| 08:31.58 | Grum | they solely take care of the adds that get there |
| 08:32.03 | Grum | sheep 1, fear one and nuke it |
| 08:32.25 | Grum | we have 3 tanks picking up the adds on the main platform |
| 08:32.34 | Grum | which move in place as soon as it dives |
| 08:32.55 | cryogen | we have 3 dps and a healer on platforms(healer not stood on the platform), mages sheep the guardians |
| 08:33.03 | cryogen | well 2/3 anyway |
| 08:33.05 | Grum | if you just have 2 OT's use the MT as well to catch the one right of him/her (from his/her perspective) |
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| 08:33.11 | Grum | and kill the MT target first |
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| 08:33.29 | Grum | you can leave mobs sheeped on the platform and that is generally wise to do as long as the mage on the platform keeps in healing range |
| 08:33.32 | [Ammo] | we just sheep the melee adds and pop em one by one |
| 08:33.45 | [Ammo] | warlocks can solo the mobs on platform |
| 08:33.46 | cryogen | we usually lack mages |
| 08:33.58 | [Ammo] | at least my lock can |
| 08:34.05 | Grum | oh yeah easily |
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| 08:34.08 | Grum | but you can just 'handle' one |
| 08:34.15 | [Ammo] | I can handle 2 |
| 08:34.29 | cryogen | our problems seem to be the melee adds bugging |
| 08:34.31 | [Ammo] | 3 ranged per platform is good enough |
| 08:34.38 | [Ammo] | they bug if you don't kill em fast enough |
| 08:34.40 | Grum | yes cryogen - they 'teleport' |
| 08:34.42 | cryogen | teleporting to healers |
| 08:34.44 | cryogen | and evading |
| 08:34.49 | [Ammo] | well sheeping solves that |
| 08:34.53 | cryogen | before mages can sheep them |
| 08:34.54 | Grum | evading is because you have healers on the platforms |
| 08:35.02 | cryogen | yeah evading doesnt happen anymore |
| 08:35.06 | cryogen | but teleporting and cleave does :) |
| 08:35.10 | Grum | yup |
| 08:35.23 | Grum | best way is to have tanks or sheppers ready and not have people casting heals |
| 08:35.26 | cryogen | dunno if our mages just suck or what |
| 08:35.49 | Grum | we can do it with 3 mages now .. and did it with 2 (just have a rogue take a mage spot on one of the platforms) |
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| 08:36.12 | cryogen | we are lucky to get 2 mages in a raid |
| 08:38.26 | ggilbert | morning Antiarc |
| 08:39.25 | cryogen | the middle adds always zoom to the same place right? |
| 08:40.45 | Grum | yes |
| 08:41.17 | Grum | if you divide the 'ring' in 5 parts (easily done because that is what it exists of) |
| 08:41.45 | Grum | the MT stands in the near the little waterpool which happens to be a seperation between 2 5th parts |
| 08:42.00 | Grum | let no-one stand on the 2 5th parts where the MT is standing on |
| 08:42.08 | Grum | so basicly take the 3 5th parts opposite |
| 08:42.21 | Grum | we have had nubs dying because of the '~370-380' turn the spout makes |
| 08:42.26 | Grum | and that makes you a sad bunny |
| 08:42.39 | cryogen | haha yes, we have SMRT people too |
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| 08:43.32 | abbat_w | good day guys |
| 08:43.49 | Grum | ah well i'm happy we finally killed morogrim |
| 08:43.50 | cryogen | and youve never had problems with mages not being able to sheep before they teleport off? |
| 08:43.56 | Grum | took some time before they finally did what i said ... grin |
| 08:44.03 | cryogen | hehe, nice :) |
| 08:44.10 | Grum | we tank the main-platform ones |
| 08:44.13 | Grum | just 3 of them |
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| 08:44.25 | Grum | 1 left of MT, 1 right and 1 opposite |
| 08:44.34 | Grum | so we have tanks standing ready to pick them up the second they get on the platform |
| 08:44.38 | Grum | so we hardly have teleports |
| 08:44.46 | cryogen | makes sense |
| 08:44.55 | Grum | and tbh we've killed him with 17 people alive after the first 2 spouts |
| 08:44.58 | abbat_w | ergh... |
| 08:44.59 | cryogen | we should probably do it that way as well, a sunder is usually enough to avoid healing aggro |
| 08:44.59 | Grum | it's a piss :P |
| 08:45.03 | abbat_w | pve addicts :) |
| 08:45.07 | Grum | shieldslam orso |
| 08:45.11 | cryogen | yeah, seems like an insanely easy encounter |
| 08:45.13 | Grum | abbat_w: pve content is challenging |
| 08:45.22 | Grum | cryogen: did you kill more in SSC ? |
| 08:45.24 | cryogen | abbat_w: dont go there! :p |
| 08:45.27 | cryogen | Grum: nah :) |
| 08:45.33 | abbat_w | Last fun boss what i see was Twins |
| 08:45.40 | Wobin | right |
| 08:45.46 | Wobin | what's a good warlock addon for the summoning etal? |
| 08:46.20 | abbat_w | We finish aq40 at twins and start naxx. But we do 'everyday hard work' at naxx and i don't like it ;) |
| 08:46.45 | abbat_w | My guild kill Vahj. After this we disband |
| 08:47.08 | Grum | lol why? |
| 08:48.03 | abbat_w | Too many ppl stop pveing. It's take too much time |
| 08:48.18 | abbat_w | work -> wow -> sleep |
| 08:48.30 | abbat_w | and about 3-4 months ;) |
| 08:48.59 | Grum | i kinda agree |
| 08:49.06 | Grum | pve is like work |
| 08:49.24 | abbat_w | Yeah. You work at work, come to home and work at wow ;) |
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| 08:49.34 | Grum | also officer .. so even more work |
| 08:49.45 | abbat_w | i'm officer too |
| 08:49.45 | Grum | i basicly get home and it starts all over again ;D |
| 08:49.54 | abbat_w | Yep ;) |
| 08:50.09 | abbat_w | After some time i finish pve completly. Won't work in WoW |
| 08:50.16 | abbat_w | No fun if i work |
| 08:50.40 | Grum | well you didn't do TK/BT/MH :) |
| 08:50.40 | abbat_w | No ;) |
| 08:50.51 | abbat_w | I do mc/bwl/aq20/aq40/naxx |
| 08:50.56 | cryogen | yes i used to be in that situation in bwl/naxx |
| 08:51.09 | cryogen | when i came back to wow i specially told myself i would not get involved in officery things again |
| 08:51.12 | cryogen | and its more fun this way :) |
| 08:51.26 | abbat_w | I only play in pvp now |
| 08:51.35 | abbat_w | And sometimes pve like Karazhan :) |
| 08:51.40 | abbat_w | or heroics |
| 08:53.00 | Grum | hehe i stopped playing when BWL came out |
| 08:53.25 | Grum | we had a nazi GM on the other side of our alliance (2 guilds doing MC is not easy) |
| 08:53.32 | CIA-14 | 03celellach * r46616 10AtlasLoot_OldInstances/original.en.lua: |
| 08:53.32 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot_OldInstances: |
| 08:53.33 | CIA-14 | - Loot update |
| 08:53.34 | abbat_w | Mmm... bwl is the best time in my wow playing |
| 08:53.49 | Grum | i did bwl till flamegor with 10 recently |
| 08:53.50 | abbat_w | My guild play like one, we do all fast and good ;) |
| 08:53.55 | Grum | and i have to say, god that must have been horrible |
| 08:54.15 | abbat_w | And btw, Staff of the Shadow Flame was good reward ;) |
| 08:54.39 | Wobin | The Staff of Kings! |
| 08:54.45 | Wobin | You ASTOUND me, Hero! |
| 08:55.00 | abbat_w | staff of battle mage! |
| 08:55.23 | CIA-14 | 03celellach * r46617 10AtlasLoot/TableRegister/loottables.en.lua: |
| 08:55.23 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 08:55.23 | CIA-14 | - Added Sneed's Shredder |
| 08:55.53 | abbat_w | btw now we wait zul'aman |
| 08:56.06 | Gagorian | Wobin: You have discovered the shaft portion of a Horadric Staff. I trust you know how to use a Horadric Cube to unite the shaft with its headpiece. |
| 08:56.08 | abbat_w | plan to make some pve with it |
| 08:56.49 | Grum | but seriously, i like SSC encounters till now |
| 08:57.41 | mitch0 | ckk: I don't really get what the FinalizeLibarary() does, when should it be called, etc. |
| 08:57.52 | ckknight | at the end |
| 08:58.08 | ckknight | it basically calls :OnLibraryLoad(major, instance) on all other libraries |
| 08:58.11 | ckknight | and on that library |
| 08:58.33 | mitch0 | but what happens if a later version is loaded after this? |
| 08:59.01 | mitch0 | will it be Finalized again? |
| 08:59.03 | mitch0 | or ...? |
| 08:59.10 | ckknight | no |
| 08:59.23 | ckknight | wait, later version of what? |
| 08:59.27 | ckknight | of the same library? |
| 08:59.28 | mitch0 | the same lib |
| 08:59.34 | ckknight | yea, it'll need to be finalized again |
| 08:59.55 | mitch0 | so addons will see multiple OnLibLoaded()s? |
| 08:59.59 | ckknight | hrm |
| 09:00.01 | ckknight | no |
| 09:00.09 | ckknight | I should make a unit test making sure that it doesn't |
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| 09:01.37 | mitch0 | still not quite clear how is it better than the former RegisterLibrary() or whatsitsname |
| 09:01.52 | mitch0 | that was called at the end, too |
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| 09:02.32 | ckknight | oh, it makes the upgrading process simpler |
| 09:02.43 | ckknight | and much, much more efficient |
| 09:03.40 | mitch0 | but how? if version1 is finalized already, what happens when version2 is registered/finalized? (what happens differently from ace2?) |
| 09:03.41 | ckknight | before it was doing O(n lg n) where n was the amount of members of a library and all the fields of it, recursively ad infinitum |
| 09:03.45 | ckknight | now it's O(n) |
| 09:03.49 | ckknight | no recursion |
| 09:04.31 | ckknight | well, the second time, nothing really happens except that :OnLibraryLoad will be called on the lib itself (but not on other libs) |
| 09:04.58 | mitch0 | but how will I reusew stuff from the previous lib (if I need to)? |
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| 09:05.10 | mitch0 | the stuff that was done in activate(oldlib, ..) |
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| 09:05.26 | ckknight | local lib, oldLib = Joker:NewLibrary(major, minor) |
| 09:05.36 | ckknight | if oldLib is non-nil, then you did an upgrade |
| 09:05.41 | mitch0 | ah |
| 09:05.42 | ckknight | and you can check the fields on it |
| 09:05.54 | ckknight | if lib is nil, mind you, you're out of date and should return ASAP |
| 09:06.13 | mitch0 | I understand that |
| 09:07.06 | mitch0 | ok, another nitpick: the :Embed() function is arse-backwards. I understand the reason for that, but I'd suggest to rename it EmbedInto() something similar |
| 09:07.23 | mitch0 | s/something/or &/ |
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| 09:07.37 | mitch0 | purl: learn regex |
| 09:07.45 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r46618 10Joker/LibJoker-1.0/LibJoker-1.0.lua: LibJoker-1.0 - add a unit test ensuring that :OnLibraryLoad is only called the first time a library is loaded. |
| 09:07.51 | ckknight | lol, mitch0 |
| 09:07.53 | ckknight | perhaps. |
| 09:07.59 | ckknight | I haven't thought of a better name, though |
| 09:08.08 | ckknight | and I'm not sure about :EmbedInto |
| 09:08.12 | art3mis | mitch0, learn sed |
| 09:08.15 | art3mis | ;) |
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| 09:08.36 | mitch0 | art3mis: there's nothing wrong with my sed |
| 09:08.58 | Cyrez | :Inject()? |
| 09:09.01 | art3mis | obviously you're far to advanced to udnerstand simple replace ;) |
| 09:09.16 | art3mis | thats right i said it udner! |
| 09:09.17 | mitch0 | ckk: well, EmbedInto is not very nice, but at least it's not backwards |
| 09:09.38 | ckknight | :Inject's not bad |
| 09:09.40 | art3mis | inject() is just dirty sounding ;P |
| 09:09.43 | mitch0 | art3mis: you lost me there |
| 09:09.50 | Grum | mitch0: '&' is not 'previously matched' in regex, that only works in vi(m) ;) |
| 09:10.02 | art3mis | ^^ |
| 09:10.04 | cncfanatics | mitch0: learn regex |
| 09:10.10 | art3mis | heh |
| 09:10.20 | art3mis | actually it was an invader zim reference |
| 09:10.27 | art3mis | gir qwasnt stupid it was advanced ;P |
| 09:10.37 | mitch0 | erm, & was prev match since I saw computers |
| 09:10.41 | mitch0 | must check |
| 09:10.45 | mitch0 | sed eats it for sure |
| 09:11.38 | Grum | perlre states: |
| 09:11.38 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.39 | art3mis | fuck i need to get this insomnia looked at |
| 09:11.41 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.54 | Grum | art3mis; you sure? you might want to sleep that decision over |
| 09:12.04 | art3mis | yeah |
| 09:12.21 | Cyrez | I do crazy crap with pipes. |
| 09:12.22 | art3mis | for soem reason if i nap 2-4 hours a day im fine for 24+ hour awake stints |
| 09:12.39 | art3mis | and for soem reason im sure thats not healthy |
| 09:12.48 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 09:12.52 | cncfanatics | I nap 6-7 hours |
| 09:12.55 | cncfanatics | usualy |
| 09:13.00 | art3mis | like the other day |
| 09:13.11 | Grum | 01:00-07:00 normally :) |
| 09:13.44 | art3mis | woke up sat at 4pm, doxed off for about 1.5-2 hours at around midnight and couldnt get to sleep til 4pm sunday then slept for 3 hours til 7 and was up til 10am |
| 09:13.45 | cncfanatics | something like that, Grum |
| 09:13.58 | art3mis | dozed |
| 09:14.09 | cncfanatics | art3mis, go see a doctor |
| 09:14.26 | art3mis | the funny thing is that ive got lunesta already |
| 09:14.52 | art3mis | and itll drop me, but it puts me out for a complete 8 hours regardless of when i wanna get up |
| 09:15.05 | Grum | s/normally/$& test |
| 09:15.13 | Grum | s/normally/$& test/ |
| 09:15.14 | art3mis | i just really need to learn that midnight isnt "time to do stuff" time |
| 09:15.25 | cncfanatics | art3mis, I agree with that |
| 09:15.27 | Grum | s/n(ormally)/\1 test/ |
| 09:15.34 | Grum | s/n(ormally)/\1 test/ |
| 09:15.39 | Grum | oooh god i am so sleeping |
| 09:15.40 | art3mis | but ist almost like im reverting to grade 11 |
| 09:15.41 | Grum | sigh |
| 09:15.47 | cncfanatics | Grum, learn regex :) |
| 09:15.50 | ckknight | lol, Grum, shouldn't you be at work? |
| 09:15.54 | Grum | i am O.o |
| 09:16.00 | art3mis | during grades 11 and 12 i was up 36 asleep 12 |
| 09:16.04 | art3mis | that was my normal cycle |
| 09:16.22 | Cyrez | Seeing a doctor won't help me. My brain is hotwired into high gear all the time. |
| 09:16.24 | cncfanatics | during last grade (which was grade 11) I'm go sleep at midnight |
| 09:16.27 | vithos | i used to sleep immediately after school every day |
| 09:16.28 | cncfanatics | up at 6:30 am |
| 09:16.40 | cncfanatics | thats pretty usual for me |
| 09:16.49 | art3mis | wake up at 7 for school stay awake til after supper the following day then sleep til it was time for school again |
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| 09:17.26 | art3mis | i have no issues with that schedule, my wife on the other hand.... |
| 09:17.37 | ckknight | lol |
| 09:18.16 | Cyrez | The dedicated geek lacks a reasonable concept of time or night and day. |
| 09:18.35 | art3mis | heh in grades 11 and 12 i was a skater ;P |
| 09:18.35 | cncfanatics | Cyrez, heh |
| 09:18.41 | cncfanatics | amg |
| 09:18.45 | cncfanatics | a SKATER ? :p |
| 09:18.47 | art3mis | yup |
| 09:18.49 | cncfanatics | I was that when I was 12 -.- |
| 09:18.53 | mitch0 | purl is perl, right? |
| 09:18.56 | art3mis | i skated from 16-28 |
| 09:18.56 | cncfanatics | which is grade 7 :p |
| 09:19.11 | Cyrez | I was a punk rocker. |
| 09:19.19 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 09:19.20 | mitch0 | s/is/$& written/ |
| 09:19.20 | Grum | i was myself |
| 09:19.22 | art3mis | 86-99 or so |
| 09:19.24 | mitch0 | doh |
| 09:19.26 | mitch0 | lame purl |
| 09:19.35 | cncfanatics | I listen to punk rock and alternative Cyrez, what does that make me ? |
| 09:19.42 | Grum | s/(myself)/\1 and not of some 'group'/ |
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| 09:19.48 | Cyrez | ZOMGIDK.... >< |
| 09:19.50 | art3mis | ive been getting the itch to go skate again too but i dont think my ankles and knee can take it anymore |
| 09:19.52 | Grum | STUPIDPRUL! |
| 09:19.59 | art3mis | cncfanatics: trendy ;P |
| 09:20.08 | cncfanatics | art3mis, i'm everything but trendy |
| 09:20.14 | cryogen | it probably removes a load of stuff before it exectues the regex |
| 09:20.18 | art3mis | thats what alternative and punk makes you though |
| 09:20.21 | art3mis | heh |
| 09:20.24 | cncfanatics | it does ? |
| 09:20.27 | cryogen | i fail to believe it would pass it to the regex parser umolested :p |
| 09:20.28 | art3mis | sadly yes |
| 09:20.31 | cncfanatics | trendy is r&b and rap here :p |
| 09:20.33 | Grum | i hate people, anyone with me? |
| 09:20.41 | art3mis | are you black? |
| 09:20.43 | cncfanatics | Grum, we all hate emos, go away |
| 09:20.46 | cncfanatics | art3mis, no |
| 09:20.53 | art3mis | then yer trendy for your race ;P |
| 09:20.56 | art3mis | heh |
| 09:20.58 | Grum | cncfanatics: i hate you! |
| 09:21.00 | cncfanatics | if you say so :p |
| 09:21.16 | Cyrez | The super-trendy are on my "list" along with Carrot Top and Bush. |
| 09:21.19 | art3mis | im on a big motorhead acdc iron maiden kick these days |
| 09:21.41 | cncfanatics | go get some laurent garnier :p |
| 09:21.57 | Cyrez | And John Basedow. |
| 09:21.58 | art3mis | oh and chick rock |
| 09:22.12 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.14 | cncfanatics | wish that worked :p |
| 09:22.15 | art3mis | lacuna coil, stolen babies, me talk pretty |
| 09:22.29 | art3mis | that kind of chick rock |
| 09:22.52 | Cyrez | I could do that to him if he was in my channel but he's not, lol. |
| 09:23.12 | art3mis | whats yer chan ill join just to placte the unwashed mass ;P |
| 09:23.20 | art3mis | placate |
| 09:23.30 | Cyrez | Er, you can't exactly talk in there. |
| 09:23.43 | Cyrez | And can't change your nick while you're in there, either. |
| 09:23.47 | art3mis | but then you could paste the kick in here and cnc would be all giggly with joy |
| 09:23.51 | cncfanatics | art3mis, just join #wowace-cia |
| 09:24.12 | cncfanatics | go Cyrez :p |
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| 09:24.59 | art3mis | hah go level 1 kickban ;) |
| 09:25.09 | art3mis | nothing says "i know irc" like a nick ban |
| 09:25.14 | cncfanatics | ~giggle |
| 09:25.15 | purl | teeheehee! |
| 09:25.21 | art3mis | heh |
| 09:25.27 | Cyrez | It'll be off in a few seconds. |
| 09:25.34 | Cyrez | Only set it to last a minute. |
| 09:25.43 | art3mis | you dont ilke chick singers in bands cnc? |
| 09:25.53 | cncfanatics | I just dont like you :p |
| 09:26.05 | art3mis | is that because you're trendy? |
| 09:26.59 | Cyrez | You can go back in now. I promise I won't hurt you, lol. |
| 09:27.05 | art3mis | heh |
| 09:27.12 | art3mis | no way thats totally a trap! |
| 09:27.26 | Cyrez | No, I swear, I won't! |
| 09:27.27 | art3mis | you're gonna send me the cookie monster virus |
| 09:27.28 | Cyrez | Though ckknight could if he wanted since he's on the list.. |
| 09:27.40 | cncfanatics | wish I was on the list too |
| 09:27.43 | art3mis | and i cant spell cookie! |
| 09:27.52 | ckknight | cncfanatics: join the chan |
| 09:27.53 | art3mis | cncfanatics: you can't be |
| 09:28.00 | art3mis | you dont talk down to people enough |
| 09:28.01 | ckknight | oh, you're already in there |
| 09:28.03 | cncfanatics | i'm in it ckknight |
| 09:28.11 | art3mis | ~emulte ckknight |
| 09:28.14 | art3mis | ~emulate ckknight |
| 09:28.15 | purl | <@ckknight>suck it, biatches |
| 09:28.26 | cncfanatics | how predictible ckknight :p |
| 09:28.34 | Ominous | rofl |
| 09:28.49 | art3mis | ya know what i love about purls emulates for ck? |
| 09:28.51 | cncfanatics | why did I expect that one ? :p |
| 09:28.57 | cncfanatics | ~emulate ckknight |
| 09:28.58 | purl | <@ckknight> nah, then there's no point, I do this mostly for the power trip |
| 09:28.58 | art3mis | no matter the context they always fit perfectly |
| 09:29.04 | ckknight | lol, art3mis |
| 09:29.19 | ckknight | cncfanatics: I unbanned you, btw |
| 09:29.26 | cncfanatics | already back in it :) |
| 09:29.34 | art3mis | "if ck was here he'd say some things about your being clueless and then tell you to go code your own" |
| 09:29.41 | art3mis | ~emulate ckknight |
| 09:29.42 | purl | <@ckknight>suck it, biatches |
| 09:29.45 | cncfanatics | btw, i'm soon having an essay as commit message, will be a good test wether they're trimmed or not |
| 09:29.46 | art3mis | see |
| 09:29.49 | art3mis | it's perfect |
| 09:30.00 | Cyrez | It's safe in there. The more regulars in my channel, the more I can gloat quietly to myself about how cool my idea was. <3 |
| 09:30.05 | Ominous | ~emulate fisker |
| 09:30.06 | purl | less talking and more fisting please |
| 09:30.08 | art3mis | hah |
| 09:30.17 | Sole | hahaha thats so fisker |
| 09:30.21 | art3mis | ~emulate antiarc |
| 09:30.22 | cncfanatics | Indeed |
| 09:30.28 | art3mis | ~emulate fry |
| 09:30.28 | purl | People said I was dumb, but I proved them. |
| 09:30.32 | cncfanatics | hmmm, I hope there are no emulates for me |
| 09:30.35 | Sole | ~emulate [Ammo] |
| 09:30.51 | Ominous | ~emulate cncfanatics |
| 09:30.52 | purl | wah wah |
| 09:30.55 | art3mis | ~emulate kirkburn |
| 09:30.56 | purl | Yes, Microsoft! Harder! |
| 09:30.59 | Ominous | rofl |
| 09:30.59 | art3mis | hah |
| 09:31.02 | Sole | rofl |
| 09:31.04 | cncfanatics | rofl |
| 09:31.04 | Ominous | ~emulate art3mis |
| 09:31.11 | Ominous | ~emulate ominous |
| 09:31.12 | art3mis | im not special enough |
| 09:31.26 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 09:31.28 | art3mis | i contribute nothing to the channel except scroll |
| 09:31.31 | cncfanatics | how do u set an emulate message ? |
| 09:31.36 | Punkie` | doesn't ammo actually have one? |
| 09:31.40 | Punkie` | ~emulate ammo |
| 09:31.41 | purl | go die in a pile of horsedung |
| 09:31.47 | art3mis | ~emulate cncfanatics |
| 09:31.48 | purl | wah wah |
| 09:31.56 | art3mis | heh |
| 09:31.58 | cncfanatics | i'm "wah wah" |
| 09:32.02 | cncfanatics | wonder why :o |
| 09:32.07 | ckknight | ~literal emulate cncfanatics |
| 09:32.07 | purl | "emulate cncfanatics" is "<reply> wah wah" |
| 09:32.16 | Ominous | ~literal emulate ckknight |
| 09:32.16 | purl | "emulate ckknight" is "<reply><@ckknight> nah, then there's no point, I do this mostly for the power trip || <reply><@ckknight> if I do it just for myself, there's no one to gloat to || <reply><@ckknight> what do I get out of it? || <reply><@ckknight> f*ck the regular users? || <reply><@ckknight> f*ck you, guy || <reply><@ckknight> You know why? Because you touch ... |
| 09:32.39 | ckknight | mine are all derogatory. all of them. |
| 09:32.46 | cncfanatics | ckknight, can u set art3mis' one to "i'm not special enough" ? |
| 09:32.47 | Ominous | heh |
| 09:33.15 | ckknight | ~literal emulate art3mis |
| 09:33.33 | art3mis | purl, emulate art3mis is I'm not special enough |
| 09:33.34 | purl | okay, art3mis |
| 09:33.35 | Ominous | purl, emulate art3mins us <reply>I'm not special enough |
| 09:33.36 | Ominous | dammit |
| 09:33.42 | art3mis | err |
| 09:33.43 | ckknight | purl, no emulate artemis is <reply>I'm not special enough |
| 09:33.44 | purl | ckknight: okay |
| 09:33.48 | art3mis | thanks |
| 09:33.49 | ckknight | ~emulate art3mis |
| 09:33.50 | purl | [emulate art3mis] I'm not special enough |
| 09:33.55 | ckknight | ... |
| 09:33.57 | art3mis | heh |
| 09:33.57 | Diao | rofl |
| 09:34.03 | ckknight | I dunno |
| 09:34.10 | Ominous | ~literal emulate art3mis |
| 09:34.10 | purl | "emulate art3mis" is "I'm not special enough" |
| 09:34.28 | art3mis | okay maybe im too special |
| 09:34.39 | Ominous | purl, no emulate art3mis is <reply>I'm not special enough |
| 09:34.40 | purl | Ominous: okay |
| 09:34.47 | Ominous | ~emulate art3mis |
| 09:34.48 | purl | I'm not special enough |
| 09:34.50 | Ominous | there |
| 09:34.57 | cncfanatics | that suits, a lot |
| 09:35.04 | ckknight | purl, forget emulate artemis |
| 09:35.04 | purl | i forgot emulate artemis, ckknight |
| 09:35.15 | art3mis | purl, die is /quit |
| 09:35.16 | purl | ACTION murders is /quit, takes two shots to the head then crumples to the ground, lifeless... |
| 09:35.27 | art3mis | purl, dienow is /quit |
| 09:35.28 | purl | okay, art3mis |
| 09:35.33 | ckknight | ~dienow |
| 09:35.33 | purl | i heard dienow is /quit |
| 09:35.38 | art3mis | aww |
| 09:35.38 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 09:35.38 | Ominous | haha |
| 09:35.43 | ckknight | purl, no, dienow is <reply>/quit |
| 09:35.43 | purl | ckknight: okay |
| 09:35.46 | ckknight | ~dienow |
| 09:35.47 | purl | /quit |
| 09:35.49 | Ominous | dammit |
| 09:35.50 | cncfanatics | heh, owned |
| 09:35.57 | ckknight | what do you expe ct? |
| 09:36.06 | cncfanatics | exactly what happened |
| 09:36.08 | ckknight | it's not like it's a guy in an irc client |
| 09:36.12 | art3mis | a signoff message obviously |
| 09:36.25 | *** part/#wowace Keya (n=patrick@xdsl-81-173-224-165.netcologne.de) |
| 09:37.03 | cryogen | spider pig spider pig, does whatever a spider pig does |
| 09:37.08 | vithos | purl, no, dienow is \015QUIT |
| 09:37.09 | purl | vithos: okay |
| 09:37.14 | vithos | ~dienow |
| 09:37.15 | purl | methinks dienow is 015QUIT |
| 09:37.15 | cryogen | can he swing, from a web? no, hes a pig |
| 09:37.16 | art3mis | can he swing from a web, no he cant he's a pig |
| 09:37.19 | vithos | :< |
| 09:37.36 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r46619 10Joker/LibJokerLocale-1.0/LibJokerLocale-1.0.lua: LibJokerLocale-1.0 - add :HasBaseTranslation("text") |
| 09:37.39 | Ominous | vithos: what does that do? |
| 09:37.51 | cryogen | i love the actual theme version in the end credits :p |
| 09:37.58 | vithos | \015 is octal for carriage return, which is a command delimiter in irc |
| 09:37.58 | art3mis | heh yeah |
| 09:38.19 | art3mis | i think i need to go buy god of war 2 tomorrow |
| 09:38.45 | art3mis | and maybe devil may cry 3 |
| 09:38.57 | Grum | silly people .. buying games |
| 09:39.06 | cncfanatics | Grum, agree |
| 09:39.09 | art3mis | or get my ps2 modded |
| 09:39.12 | cncfanatics | u have to download them |
| 09:39.12 | art3mis | one of the two |
| 09:39.24 | cncfanatics | god of war, aint that a movie ? |
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| 09:39.27 | art3mis | no |
| 09:39.32 | Ominous | lord or war |
| 09:39.32 | Grum | it's a sex-game |
| 09:39.34 | art3mis | its a really wicked game for ps2 |
| 09:39.52 | Wobin | GoW is fun =) |
| 09:40.09 | cncfanatics | ah yes lord of war |
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| 09:42.56 | CIA-14 | 03daviesh * r46620 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/ (sets.en.lua sets.tw.lua): |
| 09:42.56 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP: |
| 09:42.56 | CIA-14 | - Correction to lvl60 pvp rewards. Bad itemID |
| 09:43.36 | winkiller | damn, Postman not updated yet |
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| 09:47.09 | CIA-14 | 03daviesh * r46621 10AtlasLoot/Core/ (Atlas1.10Compat.lua AtlasLoot.lua HooksandAPI.lua): |
| 09:47.09 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 09:47.09 | CIA-14 | -Update for Atlas 1.10 pre5 |
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| 09:47.25 | cncfanatics | how inside the function, can you call yourself, without knowing how the function is called ? |
| 09:47.29 | cncfanatics | this() ? |
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| 09:48.31 | Ominous | why the hell does atlas loot have a waufilelist |
| 09:48.39 | Ominous | it just fucks the atlasloot_... up |
| 09:48.44 | vithos | for great WhereDidMyModulesGo |
| 09:48.56 | vithos | though it's fixed as of like, yesterday i thought |
| 09:49.03 | Ominous | hmm |
| 09:49.08 | Ominous | he readded it |
| 09:49.17 | vithos | yeah, but i tested after it was readded |
| 09:49.23 | vithos | and it didn't make my modules disappear |
| 09:49.28 | Ominous | well my wau just updated |
| 09:49.31 | vithos | hm |
| 09:49.39 | vithos | i'll test again |
| 09:49.53 | Ominous | i mean sinse i said that |
| 09:49.56 | Ominous | since* |
| 09:49.59 | vithos | oh |
| 09:50.44 | vithos | yeah, it just did it to me too. |
| 09:50.53 | Ominous | ill remove the file |
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| 09:52.09 | vithos | and.. now wau just updated |
| 09:52.23 | vithos | how come sometimes it updates pre-launch and sometimes waits :/ |
| 09:52.40 | CIA-14 | 03ominous * r46622 10AtlasLoot/filelist.wau: AtlasLoot removed filelist.wau as its not the correct usage unless the AtlasLoot_ parts are stored insside the atlasloot folder |
| 09:53.00 | cncfanatics | all hail ominous ! |
| 09:53.18 | Ominous | yes please do |
| 09:53.28 | Megalon | hail to the king, baby! |
| 09:53.32 | vithos | but yes, did it again with the new wau version as well |
| 09:53.56 | Ominous | hell if he readds it ill make a cron job on my server to remove it daily |
| 09:54.02 | vithos | haha |
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| 09:54.19 | art3mis | wonder when compiz-fusion is gonna go live |
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| 09:56.18 | cncfanatics | god, I so hate coding GUIs :( |
| 09:56.26 | Ominous | cncfanatics, =D |
| 09:57.00 | cncfanatics | and spoiled end users dont want slashcommands :p |
| 09:58.02 | Ominous | =D |
| 09:58.08 | Ominous | slash commands FTL |
| 09:58.40 | ckknight | slash commands are the poor man's gui |
| 09:58.48 | art3mis | http://www.technosphere.game-host.org/index.htm |
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| 09:59.28 | Wobin | hehe |
| 09:59.36 | cncfanatics | I love the flexbar style slashcommands tbh |
| 09:59.42 | vithos | i don't mind slashcommands as long as it's not something rediculous like /prat pratcopychat copy |
| 09:59.57 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.01 | cncfanatics | creates buttons 1 to 5 |
| 10:00.03 | Ominous | at least acetab makes them easier |
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| 10:00.14 | *** mode/#wowace [+v AnduinLothar] by ChanServ |
| 10:00.21 | cncfanatics | vithos, is that what u'd call not rediculous ? :p |
| 10:00.39 | cncfanatics | btw Ominous, werent you gonna send me some screenshots ? :p |
| 10:00.41 | vithos | looks reasonable to me |
| 10:00.54 | Ominous | cncfanatics, yea, when i get off my lazy ass and try it |
| 10:01.04 | cncfanatics | now ? (a) |
| 10:01.52 | vithos | is flexbar2 somewhat working now? |
| 10:02.27 | Speeddymon | somethin is seriously messed up with files.wowace.com and the svn.. |
| 10:02.39 | cncfanatics | vithos, yes |
| 10:02.42 | cncfanatics | its perfectly usable |
| 10:02.44 | CIA-14 | 03celellach * r46623 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/sets.en.lua: |
| 10:02.44 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP: |
| 10:02.44 | CIA-14 | - trading card item update |
| 10:02.45 | vithos | awesome! |
| 10:02.45 | cncfanatics | with both gui & slashcommands |
| 10:02.46 | Ominous | hmm is the zip stopt not working? |
| 10:02.59 | vithos | i'll try it right now |
| 10:03.02 | cncfanatics | http://wowace.com/wiki/FlexBar2 |
| 10:03.11 | cncfanatics | vithos, tell me what you think :) what I need now is feedback |
| 10:03.19 | cncfanatics | and if you don't mind, please take some screenshots :) |
| 10:03.19 | Speeddymon | i updated CDT2 like 12+ hrs ago and it is still not showing up in WAU or on the site.... but it did go to the proper location(trunk).. can someone force a refresh |
| 10:03.25 | vithos | i remember when 2.0 came out i had just discovered Flexbar1 |
| 10:03.32 | vithos | and i was like, wow, this kicks ass |
| 10:03.33 | cncfanatics | heh vithos |
| 10:03.35 | Ominous | ah it is |
| 10:03.38 | Ominous | just took 3 mins |
| 10:04.20 | cncfanatics | vithos, i'm finishing groups at this very moment |
| 10:04.41 | Grum | sexy |
| 10:04.43 | Grum | now just a gui! |
| 10:04.44 | Ominous | woot now atlasloot works |
| 10:04.50 | vithos | i can't wait. the arbitrary button limit on groups is one thing that really bugs me with other actionbar addons |
| 10:04.52 | Ominous | cncfanatics, ill wait till the grp ui is finished then |
| 10:05.49 | vithos | hmm.. so, this doesn't use the 120 standard slots for actions at all? like nothing will be saved serverside? |
| 10:05.55 | Ominous | nope |
| 10:05.57 | vithos | sweet |
| 10:06.08 | vithos | i hate when people mess up my bars playing my char, heh |
| 10:06.17 | cncfanatics | Grum, there is a GUI if ur talking about flexbar |
| 10:06.29 | Grum | flexbar2 ofc :P |
| 10:06.38 | cncfanatics | flexbar2 yea, there is a gui |
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| 10:06.40 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.52 | Grum | hmm is it better than Bartender? =D |
| 10:07.00 | cncfanatics | not yet |
| 10:07.03 | cncfanatics | some features are missing |
| 10:07.05 | Ominous | well fb2 is beta bt3 is repease |
| 10:07.07 | Ominous | release* |
| 10:07.08 | Grum | what it it missing mainly? |
| 10:07.17 | Grum | *is it |
| 10:07.26 | cncfanatics | GUI for groups, highlighting and text subs |
| 10:07.50 | cncfanatics | and cooldown counter to |
| 10:07.52 | cncfanatics | too* |
| 10:07.56 | cncfanatics | but i'll include that in the next commit |
| 10:08.13 | *** part/#wowace Tinhay (n=Tinhay@85.127.150.236) |
| 10:08.15 | *** join/#wowace baer_ (n=baer@bodom.heim10.tu-clausthal.de) |
| 10:08.16 | Grum | cooldown counter is 100% needed indeed |
| 10:08.25 | baer_ | g'morning |
| 10:08.30 | Wobin | wow |
| 10:08.33 | Wobin | draintanking is so op |
| 10:08.34 | cncfanatics | i'll do that when group GUI & slashcommands are finished |
| 10:08.42 | Grum | Wobin: ofc ;D |
| 10:08.42 | cncfanatics | let me first finish what I started now |
| 10:08.55 | Grum | oh your not using ace options right? |
| 10:08.59 | Grum | just doing it all by hand? :P |
| 10:09.23 | cncfanatics | Grum, AceOptions sux for advanced slashcommands |
| 10:09.28 | cncfanatics | the slashcommands are flexbar 1 style |
| 10:09.31 | Wobin | I just outlived 5 mobs =\ |
| 10:09.34 | Wobin | without even trying |
| 10:09.38 | Grum | i hate slash commands |
| 10:09.46 | cncfanatics | use the gui then |
| 10:09.51 | Grum | ^^ |
| 10:10.15 | baer_ | hmm... doesn't !!!Standalonelibraries work anymore? |
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| 10:10.39 | baer_ | i get an error updating them. |
| 10:10.48 | Cyrez | cncfanatics: Is there (gonna be), eh how can I explain this, er, you can, for example, open up the AH window and buttons pop up or change, then disappear or revert when you close it? |
| 10:11.07 | cncfanatics | you could code that urself |
| 10:11.09 | cncfanatics | with the event API |
| 10:11.24 | Cyrez | I've been dying for that. |
| 10:11.29 | Cyrez | <3 |
| 10:11.31 | cncfanatics | you could already do it pretty much , with a custom script |
| 10:11.52 | Mecdemort | If I have a database that's linked directly to display, would it be better to save the display code in the database so i don't duplicate it every time? |
| 10:12.17 | cncfanatics | Cyrez, I suggest looking at EventManager.lua |
| 10:12.21 | cncfanatics | everything u need is in there |
| 10:12.29 | Cyrez | I'm not much of a coder. |
| 10:12.32 | cncfanatics | oh heh |
| 10:12.37 | Grum | then become one |
| 10:12.38 | cncfanatics | well, there is no GUI or slashcommands to events yet |
| 10:12.42 | Grum | it's not that hard .. even cncfanatics can do it! |
| 10:12.48 | cncfanatics | damn you |
| 10:12.51 | Grum | ^^ |
| 10:13.07 | Grum | <3 u 2! |
| 10:13.11 | cncfanatics | whatever |
| 10:13.22 | sylvanaar | prat has alias /alias /prat copychat copy /cpy |
| 10:13.23 | cncfanatics | if(NickName == "Grum) DisableFlexBar2(); end |
| 10:13.38 | Grum | luckily Grum was taken on my realm :P |
| 10:13.44 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 10:13.54 | Grum | !c eu doomhammer grum |
| 10:13.57 | ThraeBot | Grum: grum is not the character you are looking for! |
| 10:14.01 | Grum | see! |
| 10:14.01 | cncfanatics | it isnt :;p |
| 10:14.02 | vithos | sylvanaar: the alias module also used to refuse to alias things that start with /prat :P |
| 10:14.02 | cncfanatics | nab |
| 10:14.05 | Grum | <lvl10 even :( |
| 10:14.12 | CIA-14 | 03celellach * r46624 10AtlasLoot/Core/Atlas1.10Compat.lua: |
| 10:14.12 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 10:14.12 | CIA-14 | - Added Sneed's Shredder |
| 10:14.13 | sylvanaar | oh well then |
| 10:14.32 | sylvanaar | maybe it still cant idk |
| 10:16.13 | Cyrez | The most coding I did was hacking the heck out of an addon to remove the gryphons to the point at which it eliminated my need for simpleMinimap. |
| 10:16.19 | vithos | 16!00 Alias: refusing to alias "/prat" to anything in the interests of Not Buggering Everything Up |
| 10:16.32 | cncfanatics | how can one force the Id in waterfall to change ? |
| 10:16.37 | cncfanatics | Nargiddley, ping |
| 10:16.41 | cncfanatics | ~seen Nargiddley |
| 10:16.50 | purl | nargiddley is currently on #wowi-lounge (2h 34m 10s) #wowace (2h 34m 10s), last said: 'man i've got some old images sitting around imageshack'. |
| 10:16.50 | *** join/#wowace beerke (n=beerke@5353E179.cable.casema.nl) |
| 10:16.50 | vithos | er, wait. maybe that was just the wrong order |
| 10:16.59 | Nargiddley | :Open('whatever',newid) |
| 10:17.06 | sylvanaar | well, guess that wont work, but you can bind a key or press the button that's on the chatframe |
| 10:17.11 | vithos | oh yes, it does work! /alias copy /prat copychat copy |
| 10:17.26 | vithos | hooray |
| 10:17.29 | sylvanaar | cool |
| 10:17.33 | ckknight | finally |
| 10:17.34 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Joker |
| 10:17.37 | ckknight | I documented it |
| 10:17.44 | ckknight | and the differences to Ace2 |
| 10:17.45 | ckknight | et al |
| 10:17.52 | cncfanatics | Nargiddley, thanks |
| 10:18.00 | cncfanatics | it doesnt matter that the waterfall is already open does it ? |
| 10:18.06 | Grum | lets see if he did the 'other thing' as well ;D |
| 10:18.10 | Nargiddley | nope, added it a few days ago |
| 10:18.11 | cncfanatics | ckknight <3 |
| 10:18.17 | Nargiddley | changes if its open |
| 10:18.21 | baer_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.22 | Grum | \o/ |
| 10:19.28 | cncfanatics | i'm doing nasty hacks atm for the GUI |
| 10:19.33 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r46625 10Joker/LibJoker-1.0/LibJoker-1.0.lua: LibJoker-1.0 - fix docs for :IterateObjectMixins |
| 10:19.37 | cncfanatics | but well, a gui is a complication of nasty hacks made to look good anyway |
| 10:19.56 | Cyrez | ckknight: Are you gonna convert your babies or code new ones? ^^ |
| 10:20.09 | ckknight | convert, likely, it won't be that tough |
| 10:20.15 | Cyrez | Pwn. |
| 10:20.17 | ckknight | I have a laundry list of API differences |
| 10:20.26 | ckknight | it's not horrible |
| 10:20.29 | ckknight | mostly renames |
| 10:20.52 | cncfanatics | what about config GUIs ? |
| 10:20.59 | Grum | some of them actually make sense now! =D |
| 10:21.03 | cncfanatics | think that'll be the most irritating to recode |
| 10:21.35 | ckknight | well, you are either using CreateFrame, in which case you don't update, or you update to LibJokerConfig-1.0, which is very different but a lot simpler dev-wise |
| 10:22.02 | Cyrez | And sexier. |
| 10:22.14 | cncfanatics | so, u recode ur GUI pretty much ? |
| 10:22.27 | cncfanatics | if u used waterfall that is |
| 10:22.43 | ckknight | ...no |
| 10:22.51 | ckknight | well, depending on what you're doing |
| 10:22.53 | ckknight | really |
| 10:23.01 | cncfanatics | I use the waterfall API directly, so I doubt I wont need a recode :p |
| 10:23.01 | Nargiddley | for me and cnc, thats a yes then :P |
| 10:23.07 | cncfanatics | indeed |
| 10:23.44 | Cyrez | One config for all is just hawt. |
| 10:23.45 | ckknight | well, if you upgrade Waterfall itself and keep the API the same, then no, you won't have to change |
| 10:23.53 | Grum | there's always going to be some recoding, but why not use the 'default way' so all addons can nicely blend into one framework? :) |
| 10:23.59 | ckknight | but in all honesty, one config to rule them all, one config to bind them |
| 10:24.00 | ckknight | etc. |
| 10:24.28 | ckknight | the idea is to make the config tables powerful enough to represent what you want anyway |
| 10:24.31 | Nargiddley | if i can get the same effect with the new one i'd recode my config |
| 10:24.32 | Grum | that is what Cosmos made great once :) |
| 10:24.44 | ckknight | yea, totally ripping from Khaos. |
| 10:24.45 | CIA-14 | 03daviesh * r46626 10AtlasLoot/: (log message trimmed) |
| 10:24.46 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 10:24.46 | CIA-14 | - Removed the externals to the LoD modules. I was in the middle of consulting |
| 10:24.46 | CIA-14 | with some people about the best way to change what I was doing with respect to |
| 10:24.46 | CIA-14 | the module unpacking functionality, so I would appreciate being contacted before |
| 10:24.46 | CIA-14 | files are deleted as it floods me with support requests when peoples update |
| 10:24.49 | ckknight | idea-wise |
| 10:24.50 | CIA-14 | process changes. If I am aware things are happening I can pre-empt the |
| 10:25.01 | Nargiddley | waterfall is very close to independant anyway, only thing from ace2 it uses is OO really |
| 10:25.16 | Cyrez | And that log message is why my channel rocks, lol. |
| 10:25.22 | cncfanatics | which, in all honesty, as ckknight showed me, can be done urself with 10 lines of code anyway Nargiddley |
| 10:25.23 | ckknight | Nargiddley: which, as I've found, can be gotten around |
| 10:25.29 | Grum | Cyrez: which channel? :P |
| 10:25.39 | Cyrez | #wowace-cia |
| 10:25.48 | cncfanatics | Cyrez, u managed to disable trimming ? :) |
| 10:25.50 | cncfanatics | how ? |
| 10:25.57 | Nargiddley | yeah wouldnt take much to do it without inheritance, or with straight metatables |
| 10:26.04 | ckknight | if daviesh doesn't want us fucking with his mods, he should be in IRC |
| 10:26.06 | Cyrez | A little XML. |
| 10:26.18 | Ominous | yep |
| 10:26.19 | Cyrez | It defaults to six lines so I changed it to 24. |
| 10:26.25 | Ominous | and also the externals should be on the main addon... |
| 10:26.29 | Ominous | not the extras... |
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| 10:26.45 | cncfanatics | Cyrez, 24 aint enough for meh |
| 10:26.51 | cncfanatics | I write damn essays when commiting ! |
| 10:26.58 | Silviu- | u should not ! |
| 10:26.58 | Grum | ckknight: just make a 'BabbleLoot' and integrate into Cartographer ;D |
| 10:26.59 | Silviu- | :) |
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| 10:27.18 | ckknight | Cartographer has a loot thing |
| 10:27.22 | ckknight | and it uses PeriodicTable |
| 10:27.29 | Grum | same difference :D |
| 10:27.39 | MoonWolf | everything uses perdiodictable nowaday's |
| 10:27.55 | MoonWolf | its like having a small version of wowhead in your client |
| 10:29.32 | xb95 | PT bugs me though because items get duplicated in multiple areas in my Baggins. I pick up a Fish and I see it 4 times... Tradeskill Mats, Gathering, Cooking, Misc Consumables... |
| 10:29.35 | Cyrez | cncfanatics, how's that? ^^ |
| 10:29.46 | xb95 | This is less a PT problem and more a Baggins config issue, yes yes. |
| 10:29.50 | vithos | xb95: hide duplicates option |
| 10:29.53 | cncfanatics | Cyrez, u'll see in a minute when I commit |
| 10:30.01 | cncfanatics | or , check the flexbar2 log history |
| 10:30.03 | Nargiddley | and now theres priority on the bags/sections |
| 10:30.03 | cncfanatics | all damn essays :p |
| 10:30.05 | xb95 | vithos: Then it feels unpredictable about where they show up. |
| 10:30.11 | Nargiddley | so you can pick which sections get things first |
| 10:30.28 | xb95 | I prefer to just tweak the categories and bags to explicitly state what goes where. A little more work, but works for my playstyle. |
| 10:30.46 | Nargiddley | yep thats what i've generally gone for |
| 10:30.47 | vithos | xb95: section/bag priority levels is a recent new feature |
| 10:31.00 | xb95 | oh really? hmmm. |
| 10:31.17 | xb95 | well, I use WAU daily, I guess I haven't seen those config options yet. I'll take a look. :) |
| 10:31.39 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 10:31.44 | cncfanatics | my buttonctrl gui just went poof |
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| 10:33.37 | cncfanatics | Cyrez, I love you |
| 10:34.23 | Cyrez | Just in case, I figured, lol. |
| 10:34.32 | Mecdemort | ckknight: What made you decide to remove AceOptions support? The immediate impact I see is that you can no longer configure addons in macros |
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| 10:35.40 | ckknight | addons can still supply slash commands |
| 10:35.40 | ckknight | and I detail why I removed support |
| 10:36.14 | abbat_w | yeah |
| 10:36.31 | abbat_w | addons should support slash commands, but GUI more user friendly |
| 10:36.42 | Cyrez | <formatter medium="irc"/> >>>> <formatter medium="irc"><lineLimit>40</lineLimit></formatter> |
| 10:36.45 | abbat_w | waterfall > all |
| 10:37.35 | Mecdemort | GUIs are deffinitly more user friendly and you shouldnt configure an addon with slash commands, but you cant access a GUI config from a macro |
| 10:38.16 | Cyrez | LibJokerConfig-1.0 > Waterfall |
| 10:39.13 | Cyrez | I just skim the lua for the functions. |
| 10:40.19 | Cyrez | Then throw them into CustomMenuFu. |
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| 10:40.41 | abbat_w | but anyway way to on/off options via command line should exists |
| 10:41.13 | abbat_w | for example my grid has macro to turn off/on, my antagonist has macro to stop all bars etc |
| 10:41.52 | cncfanatics | my current GUI with waterfall is slow & clumpsy -.- |
| 10:42.06 | cncfanatics | but thats probably cuz setting all settings for more then 5 buttons at once can take quite some time :( |
| 10:42.22 | cncfanatics | Nargiddley |
| 10:42.31 | vithos | about not supporting CUSTOM/ZONE/GLOBAL addon comm, do ZONE and GLOBAL even work anyway? |
| 10:42.36 | cncfanatics | any update on recolloring buttons or having them "half checked" in waterfall ? |
| 10:42.50 | Nargiddley | not yet i'll look into it on the weekend |
| 10:43.04 | cncfanatics | ok great |
| 10:43.13 | cncfanatics | Ill be able to optimize my GUI a LOT with that |
| 10:43.20 | cncfanatics | and not touch what hasnt been changed, to win time |
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| 10:43.23 | vithos | ckknight: meant to direct my last message to you |
| 10:43.42 | ckknight | they're just special custom channels |
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| 10:43.53 | vithos | ah. |
| 10:44.43 | vithos | sounds like that could have been cool for something, but was never taken advantage of anyway? |
| 10:45.39 | ckknight | never was, too complex anyway |
| 10:45.44 | vithos | though i can see how it could get complicated, especially with channel ownership issues |
| 10:45.55 | cncfanatics | gonna go grab dinner |
| 10:45.58 | dodga | So lately I've gotten a lot of whispers with "<randomcrap>PONG<addonname>" which seems to be sent by AceComm; as soon as I turned off SpyGnome the whispers did no longer show up |
| 10:46.06 | dodga | Known bug or just me getting not enough sleep? |
| 10:46.18 | ckknight | dodga: your friends have very outdated AceComms. |
| 10:46.29 | dodga | Then I will smack them for great justice |
| 10:46.33 | Nargiddley | ckknight, request for JokerDB. Would be nice to be able to define an initial db, that doesnt get reset if entrys are removed like defaults do |
| 10:47.07 | ckknight | I need an example |
| 10:47.29 | Nargiddley | if i put the default bag definition into the defaults for baggins |
| 10:47.41 | Nargiddley | which is 5 or so bags, then someone loads the all in one which is 2 |
| 10:47.44 | Grum | the only problem i've seen that i can not solve is when you get 'No player named '%s' is currently playing.' when someone has just gone offline |
| 10:47.57 | Nargiddley | since 3,4,5 are now nil they get reset to default on load |
| 10:48.35 | Nargiddley | I manually init profiles when they are enabled for the first time atm with the initial set of bags |
| 10:50.00 | Grum | that would be rather hard to code - but you might be able to make something that allows you to 'merge' databases |
| 10:50.26 | Grum | so you have a 'default database' somewhere in a local and just 'merge' it with the 'half-filled-in' database |
| 10:50.27 | Laric | in what sense is joker better than ace2? |
| 10:50.34 | Grum | Laric: see the wiki |
| 10:50.59 | Grum | http://wowace.com/wiki/Joker - and it's not about 'better' - there are some differences |
| 10:51.02 | Nargiddley | basicly just a set of defaults that are applied only when a profile is created, not when its loaded |
| 10:51.07 | Grum | it might become better in the end |
| 10:51.41 | Grum | Nargiddley: so instead of submitting a template, you submit a template which is filled in? |
| 10:51.44 | Grum | (or both) |
| 10:52.07 | Nargiddley | dont get what you mean |
| 10:52.47 | Mecdemort | I was having that same problem with an example frame for Scaffold, had to set it to false instead of nil and constantly check for it so i just removed the example |
| 10:53.31 | Grum | Nargiddley: well you basicly are allowed to define a template now |
| 10:53.37 | Grum | and any data you put in will be checked against that template |
| 10:53.40 | Nargiddley | no, you define a set of defaults |
| 10:53.55 | Nargiddley | and anything that doesnt exist in sv is the defaut value |
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| 10:54.10 | Grum | sv? |
| 10:54.16 | Nargiddley | saved variables |
| 10:54.40 | Grum | humz so whenever it misses a key it has to do another lookup? |
| 10:55.37 | Grum | or do you want them automaticly to get merged? default = { a = {1}, b = {1,2}, c = {1,2,3}} and you have '{ a = {2}}' then you would want to add the b/c ? |
| 10:56.11 | Mecdemort | no if you didnt want b/c and set them to nil, they would be recreated anyway |
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| 10:56.20 | Nargiddley | more like |
| 10:56.30 | Nargiddley | default = { a,b,c,d } |
| 10:56.38 | Nargiddley | someone does c=nil, d=nil |
| 10:56.54 | Nargiddley | so the db is {a,b} |
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| 10:57.06 | Nargiddley | on load you're back at a,b,c,d since nil = default |
| 10:57.38 | Nargiddley | so if a,b,c d are bags, and someone deletes one it will come back at every load |
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| 10:58.28 | ckknight | make em false instead of nil :-P |
| 10:58.39 | Grum | Nargiddley: i see the advantages, just not how you can keep it compatible with the default accessing method: self.db.account.a |
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| 10:58.56 | Nargiddley | grum, what does that have to do with defaults ? |
| 10:59.01 | Mecdemort | you could also make a table like default = { bags = {a,b,c,d}} then it wouldnt overwrite |
| 10:59.13 | Nargiddley | yes it would |
| 10:59.15 | Grum | oooooooooh nevermind |
| 10:59.17 | Grum | you can do this in lua |
| 10:59.20 | Grum | lua has metatables |
| 10:59.37 | Grum | so whenever you dont find a key you can try to find it in self.db.default.whatever |
| 10:59.38 | Nargiddley | grum, do you even know how AceDB works currently ? |
| 10:59.46 | Grum | half ;D |
| 10:59.49 | Mecdemort | hmm im gunna go read up on metatables |
| 11:00.09 | mitch0 | narg: so, setting it to false is not an option? |
| 11:00.42 | Nargiddley | it would be a pain |
| 11:01.01 | Nargiddley | i manually put the bags into new profiles |
| 11:01.12 | Mecdemort | it makes since anyway, defaults should only be applied when the profile is created |
| 11:01.16 | Nargiddley | which works without stopping #self.db.profile.bags from lying |
| 11:01.20 | Nargiddley | *making |
| 11:01.21 | Grum | Nargiddley: from what i know is: you register a SV variable then you are allowed to set a 'profile' |
| 11:01.49 | Grum | then fill it directly and if you have a profile it will be checked |
| 11:01.56 | Nargiddley | and that profile has a set of defaults, if a value is the default it doesnt go into SV |
| 11:02.23 | Nargiddley | so theres no difference between the default and nil in what gets saved to disk |
| 11:02.31 | Nargiddley | so on load you get the default of values you removed |
| 11:02.32 | mitch0 | narg: defaults should be there even after profile creation. consider adding new stuff to the DB on a later version, you must have sensible defaults for that even if you've already got a profile created with the prev version |
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| 11:03.19 | Nargiddley | i have no bags defined in my defaults, since you can't remove them without them coming back at each load |
| 11:03.34 | mitch0 | so for your specific case setting it to false would be the best option. you might need some if (talbe)'s here and there, though |
| 11:03.36 | Wobin | rofl |
| 11:03.39 | Wobin | I love australia |
| 11:03.41 | Wobin | A cop show |
| 11:03.48 | Wobin | and they're doing a raid |
| 11:03.53 | Wobin | "Officers found the gun" |
| 11:03.57 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 11:04.25 | Wobin | Gun, singular =P |
| 11:04.32 | Wobin | Only in Australia =P |
| 11:04.36 | Grum | Nargiddley: should be doable i think |
| 11:04.42 | Grum | but any operation should be working |
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| 11:05.39 | mitch0 | nargiddley: actually, you could just remove the "false" entries (set them nil) in OnProflieEnabled or whatsitsname |
| 11:06.05 | Nargiddley | mitch0, then the next load they'd come back unless i set them back to false before they're saved |
| 11:06.22 | cncfanatics | sigh |
| 11:06.23 | mitch0 | or copy that stuff to some other local |
| 11:06.24 | cncfanatics | GUIs ftl |
| 11:06.46 | Nargiddley | well |
| 11:06.50 | mitch0 | local bags = processSettings(self.db.profile) |
| 11:07.09 | Nargiddley | i have a working solution thats been there for months |
| 11:07.31 | Nargiddley | i dont need one, its just a request to have what i do in the lib rather than a manual process |
| 11:07.36 | mitch0 | well, leave it in then :) |
| 11:08.37 | Nargiddley | and thats a way to have defaults that only define the initial state of the db, not how it reacts to nils in SV |
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| 11:09.28 | mitch0 | oh, I think I understand what you need now |
| 11:09.53 | cncfanatics | hmmm, whats the function to start a cooldown timer again on actionbuttons ? |
| 11:10.08 | mitch0 | well, dunno if it's worth putting into the lib |
| 11:10.46 | mitch0 | but it wouldn't be that hard either |
| 11:10.47 | Mecdemort | Do wiki pages have an index? It seems theres a lot of pages you can only get to by knowing the url |
| 11:11.01 | Laric | question about libjoker.. will more of the addons 'memory' show on the addon than it is today.. it seems today as much of many addons are attributed to ace2 |
| 11:11.22 | cncfanatics | cant help that |
| 11:11.31 | cncfanatics | use standalone libraries while profiling imo |
| 11:11.48 | Mikk | ooh heya Nargiddley |
| 11:11.55 | Mikk | my storage toon has a bug report for you |
| 11:12.18 | Mikk | blizzard changed all the gems around, there's now a "Gem" supertype with "Red", "Blue", "Plain" etc subtypes |
| 11:12.48 | Mikk | Mecdemort: use the search engine |
| 11:13.51 | Grum | hehe Nargiddley - http://www.lua.org/pil/13.4.3.html =D |
| 11:15.19 | CIA-14 | 03phyber * r46627 10BagSlots/ (BagSlots.toc embeds.xml): |
| 11:15.19 | CIA-14 | BagSlots: |
| 11:15.19 | CIA-14 | - Use embeds.xml |
| 11:15.54 | Laric | cncfanatics I always run standalone libs but it seems that Ace-2.0 gets to blame for much any how |
| 11:15.59 | Nargiddley | Grum, I know what metatables are, AceDB does its magic with them already so setting one on db.profile will break things badly, and its that behaviour that i'm trying to make not happen for some things |
| 11:16.21 | Grum | well modifying AceDB should be the solution then :) |
| 11:16.24 | cncfanatics | Laric, weird |
| 11:16.38 | Mikk | Hrm, what are we talking about here in baggins? |
| 11:16.46 | Nargiddley | Grum, hence the request that started this conversation |
| 11:16.53 | Mikk | Making profiles use less memory by automagically accessing defaults? |
| 11:16.59 | Mikk | I dunno if it's worth it yself |
| 11:17.07 | Grum | Nargiddley: write something which proves it is possible - get a prototype working |
| 11:17.26 | Nargiddley | Mikk, letting me put bags into a default without them reappearing on load |
| 11:19.09 | Mikk | By tracking which default I'm operating off of? |
| 11:20.16 | Nargiddley | by having a set of defaults that only are applied on profile creation |
| 11:20.30 | Nargiddley | so removing them doesnt bring the default back |
| 11:20.35 | cncfanatics | ckknight, when do you think Ace3 will enter a phase where we can reliably start coding for it ? |
| 11:20.46 | Mikk | cncfanatics: not just his call is it? |
| 11:20.49 | ckknight | once LibJokerConfig-1.0 is done |
| 11:20.59 | ckknight | Mikk: *shrug* |
| 11:21.22 | cncfanatics | its the developpers call to say wether he thinks his library/addon is ready for open use imo |
| 11:21.36 | cncfanatics | if it actualy is, thats up to the users to decide ofc |
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| 11:22.19 | Mikk | yeah but if half the developers decide that they didn't want it, and half do, that's kinda bad for the community, dont you think? be better to clarify that first, yes? |
| 11:22.23 | Grum | Nargiddley: one problem is that it has to be recursive |
| 11:22.35 | Nargiddley | Grum, no |
| 11:22.41 | Mecdemort | Mikk: If a dev doesnt want it, they just use Ace2 |
| 11:22.43 | Grum | well kinda |
| 11:22.47 | Grum | you can just do it for 1 level |
| 11:22.53 | Mikk | we're not talking joe random lib here, we're talking the foundation that makes our libraries and addons actually work together |
| 11:23.07 | cncfanatics | think you're overrating it a bit there |
| 11:23.13 | Mikk | rly? |
| 11:23.30 | cncfanatics | Ace2 & Ace3 can live together perfectly |
| 11:23.39 | Laric | libjokerconfig-1.0 is something like waterfall or? |
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| 11:23.42 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 11:23.43 | ckknight | yea, they don't really touch each other |
| 11:23.44 | Grum | they can also have sex and make babies! |
| 11:23.45 | ckknight | Laric: yea |
| 11:23.50 | Mikk | how? by having duplicates of every library in existance? |
| 11:23.53 | Grum | Ace Ace baby! ;D |
| 11:23.54 | Nargiddley | Grum, a seperate set of defaults that are only used to init profiles in no way has to be recursive. New profile, load them, ignore them till another profile is created |
| 11:24.13 | cncfanatics | Mikk, true enough, kind of a waste of memory to use both, but they can |
| 11:24.32 | mitch0 | and they won't have the same "fell" end-user-wise |
| 11:24.37 | cncfanatics | ckknight |
| 11:24.40 | mitch0 | feel even |
| 11:24.46 | ckknight | yes? |
| 11:24.47 | cncfanatics | would it be possible to support advanced profiling for addons via ace itself ? |
| 11:24.55 | cncfanatics | with some kind of library |
| 11:25.00 | ckknight | profiling how? |
| 11:25.11 | cncfanatics | think blizzard mind quite a lot of functions available to profile correctly |
| 11:25.27 | Laric | mikk memory is kinda cheap these days as long as the memory usage is constant and not fluctating like mad causing garbage collection. |
| 11:25.27 | Mikk | yes, this is already possible |
| 11:25.28 | cncfanatics | but it would be nice to be able to profile every function in an addon and put the results in a table with a library |
| 11:25.34 | ckknight | like cpu/mem profiling? |
| 11:25.38 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 11:25.51 | cncfanatics | just like Debug mode, you could have Profiling mode |
| 11:25.54 | Mikk | that doesn't belong in core ace. and there's addons that help you with it already. |
| 11:26.00 | Grum | Nargiddley: if you want meta-tables to provide 'fallback data' you have to |
| 11:26.02 | cncfanatics | a library I mean ofc Mikk |
| 11:26.14 | cncfanatics | what addon though Mikk ? |
| 11:26.18 | cncfanatics | never heard of any |
| 11:26.19 | Nargiddley | Grum, where did you get the idea i want fallback data |
| 11:26.28 | JoshBorke | cryect wrote one cncfanatics |
| 11:26.32 | cncfanatics | name ? |
| 11:26.37 | JoshBorke | looking |
| 11:26.39 | Grum | Nargiddley: 'defaults' are fallback data :0 |
| 11:26.48 | Grum | 'i dont have it so i can fall back on my defaults' |
| 11:27.03 | cncfanatics | and how to use it JoshBorke ? |
| 11:27.09 | JoshBorke | cncfanatics: Protractor |
| 11:27.21 | cncfanatics | typical cryect name too |
| 11:27.26 | Nargiddley | Grum, that is the behaviour that AceDB has already that i'm asking for a way around |
| 11:27.35 | JoshBorke | download it, bring up the window, type in the name of the global reference to the addon you want to profile |
| 11:27.43 | Mikk | Nargiddley: false out bag entries rather than nilling them? o.O |
| 11:27.53 | JoshBorke | there's also expo |
| 11:27.54 | Nargiddley | Mikk, #self.db.bags will lie |
| 11:28.08 | Grum | Nargiddley: you can not 'fix' that unless you use meta-tables |
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| 11:28.43 | Mikk | Nargiddley: keep track of bags already imported into the profile, refuse to re-import? |
| 11:28.56 | Grum | (or another access method than: self.db.profile.data |
| 11:29.16 | Nargiddley | grum, you dont understand what i'm asking for |
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| 11:29.31 | CIA-14 | FuBar_DigiCamFu: |
| 11:29.31 | CIA-14 | - Use embeds.xml |
| 11:29.31 | CIA-14 | - Localised strings. |
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| 11:29.39 | Grum | Nargiddley: i think i am |
| 11:29.48 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 11:30.15 | Grum | you want to have: default: bags { 1 = {....}, 2 = {....}, 3 = {....}, 4 = {....}, 5 = {....} } |
| 11:30.30 | Grum | along with: userdata: bags { 1 = { bla }} |
| 11:30.36 | Nargiddley | no |
| 11:30.39 | Grum | and then do: userdata.bags.2 and get back the {....} |
| 11:30.42 | Mikk | no |
| 11:30.43 | Nargiddley | no no no |
| 11:30.48 | Grum | *cry* |
| 11:30.55 | Nargiddley | what i want is those defaults |
| 11:31.03 | dieck | hi there - I was told that there are newer version of Omen and KTM which can't communicate properly - is that for real or did someone told me smattering? |
| 11:31.05 | Nargiddley | so that a new profiles starts with them |
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| 11:31.12 | Nargiddley | then if someone deletes bags 3-5 |
| 11:31.23 | cncfanatics | dieck, it might be a bug, but I doubt that |
| 11:31.30 | Nargiddley | they are then deleted and not brought back from the defaults |
| 11:31.35 | Grum | dieck: delete KTM |
| 11:31.38 | cncfanatics | if its a bug, report it, but it would never be made so they can't communicate by purpose |
| 11:32.02 | dieck | Grum: I did - but some raid members still aren't fully on ace :) most Mac users :) |
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| 11:32.10 | CIA-14 | FuBar_DigiCamFu: |
| 11:32.10 | CIA-14 | - A TOC is fine too. |
| 11:32.20 | Grum | dieck: KTM sucks, just guildkick them |
| 11:32.23 | ckknight | dieck: wtf, I'm a Mac user and I write a shitload of ace stuff |
| 11:32.49 | Grum | no use in using omen if you have 1 single person with KTM all data is fucked |
| 11:33.03 | cncfanatics | Grum, why ? |
| 11:33.12 | cncfanatics | I'm the only one using Ome |
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| 11:33.13 | cncfanatics | it works fine |
| 11:33.41 | Punkie` | it's fine on a spank and tank |
| 11:33.50 | Punkie` | but it gets thrown off on multiple targets |
| 11:34.02 | Punkie` | because KTM users threat just gets accumulated sometimes |
| 11:34.06 | dieck | hey, don't bash me, I have nearly no non-ace left ;) I think they just can't control their mac properly, and so can't run the ace updater ;) |
| 11:34.08 | Punkie` | but then again, that could be master target stuff |
| 11:34.20 | flexom | ~seen kaelten |
| 11:34.53 | purl | kaelten <n=chatzill@c-69-181-47-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 4h 38m 50s ago, saying: 'I'll update it tommorrow'. |
| 11:34.53 | Mikk | dieck: it's perfectly possible to download ace mods like any other mod |
| 11:34.53 | Mikk | don't HAVE to use wau |
| 11:34.53 | cncfanatics | dieck, they cant update em at all using nonace, so whats their point ? |
| 11:35.06 | cncfanatics | omg at kaelten's typo |
| 11:35.08 | Grum | cncfanatics: because of the way KTM works |
| 11:35.16 | dieck | cncfanatics: you're preaching for the faithful :) |
| 11:35.17 | Grum | 1 KTM in your group and your threat-data is worthless |
| 11:35.35 | Grum | i just banned KTM in our guild ... worked fine =D |
| 11:36.05 | Punkie` | not really, if the majority of the guild uses Omen, then you won't set a master target |
| 11:36.18 | Punkie` | therefore the people using KTM will just have accumulated threat |
| 11:36.36 | Grum | they also send out accumulated data |
| 11:36.42 | Punkie` | thats what Isaid |
| 11:36.47 | Grum | which wrecks any accuracy of KTM unless you ignore KTM |
| 11:37.10 | cncfanatics | tbh, I loved the times when you had to "feel" how much threat u had |
| 11:37.13 | cncfanatics | the g'old days |
| 11:37.22 | Grum | you wouldn't be able to do some of the bosses ;D |
| 11:37.27 | cncfanatics | you would |
| 11:37.30 | cncfanatics | just much harder |
| 11:37.34 | Grum | true but you would depend more on non-noobs |
| 11:37.41 | cncfanatics | exactly |
| 11:37.51 | cncfanatics | i'm so bored of nubs either way |
| 11:37.52 | Punkie` | My guild never used any threat meter until Tidewalker or something |
| 11:38.01 | |Kev| | dieck: there's a macaceupdater that should work for any mac people, or the Java webstart wau2 should work on a mac as well, I think |
| 11:38.02 | cncfanatics | my guild is full of nub dps though :/ |
| 11:38.05 | Grum | lol why at tidewalker? :) |
| 11:38.12 | dodga | Actually I think threat meters are good; not because noobs DPS "safer" but you can spot worthless tanks |
| 11:38.20 | Punkie` | I don't know, seemed like a good idea to try it out |
| 11:38.24 | cncfanatics | worthless tanks are spot without meters too dodga |
| 11:38.37 | dodga | e.g. tanks pushing less than 500 TPS on Gruul.. dude, seriously, learn2tank :D |
| 11:38.41 | Punkie` | I rarely look at it anyway, I just have that warning set at 100% :p |
| 11:38.49 | dodga | cncfanatics: Yeah, but it's easier with "hard numbers" |
| 11:38.53 | cncfanatics | true |
| 11:38.56 | Punkie` | You have passed 100% of blah's threat! |
| 11:38.58 | cncfanatics | I do put out 800 tps on gruul though |
| 11:39.02 | cncfanatics | as pala |
| 11:39.06 | cncfanatics | and the fight aint especialy pala friendly |
| 11:39.13 | dodga | Because there still are a lot of people that claim that damage meters or threat meters are not too accurate, yaddayadda.. |
| 11:39.20 | dodga | Numbers make them shut up :D |
| 11:39.23 | Grum | cncfanatics: how is it not friendly? :) |
| 11:39.45 | abbat_w | I think threat meters and dps meters kill command play ;) |
| 11:39.51 | abbat_w | especially dps meters |
| 11:39.55 | cncfanatics | Grum, very hostile |
| 11:40.08 | Grum | yes he hit me for 30k :( |
| 11:40.11 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 11:40.13 | cncfanatics | ur holy then |
| 11:40.15 | dodga | On DPS meters.. they are good, too. Rogues that barely outdamage the MT are to be smacked |
| 11:40.20 | Grum | priest sacrifice ftw ;( |
| 11:40.24 | cncfanatics | oh lol |
| 11:40.31 | cncfanatics | 61% DR ftw |
| 11:40.34 | Grum | tank died - lost rogues .. no-one to catch hateful blows |
| 11:40.38 | cncfanatics | lovely shield of mine |
| 11:40.50 | abbat_w | if tank dies all dies ;) |
| 11:40.51 | cncfanatics | heh, poor lil grummy |
| 11:40.55 | cncfanatics | indeed |
| 11:41.05 | dodga | On the other hand I did some WWS testint lately and it's funny. No Curse of Shadow on Gruul, but one of the Warlocks does 80% of his damage via Shadow Bolt |
| 11:41.40 | cncfanatics | some people are idiots eh |
| 11:41.44 | dodga | But then again, if people don't understand the most basic mechanics... |
| 11:41.45 | ramoz | then he sucks |
| 11:41.57 | cncfanatics | 80% of ur dmg shldnt be sbolt dmg, even as destro |
| 11:42.04 | Grum | looooook! http://grum.nl/images/tickle_v2.jpg |
| 11:42.05 | dodga | E.g. "the tank takes to much damage" and "the offtank does not have enough threat" |
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| 11:42.12 | ramoz | cncfanatics: why? |
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| 11:42.23 | cncfanatics | dont u have some dots running too even as destro ? |
| 11:42.23 | Grum | you gotto love TBC bosses =D |
| 11:42.24 | cncfanatics | immolate |
| 11:42.28 | dodga | Yeah, that is because the damned offtank is hitting Gruul from the front.. where he parries.. and hits faster then.. |
| 11:42.33 | dodga | Jeez, people are so clueless :D |
| 11:42.39 | cncfanatics | dodge, agree |
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| 11:42.45 | cncfanatics | I once had some rogue hit gruul from the front |
| 11:42.46 | Punkie` | The best thing ever was I was trialling a rogue, who was doing awful DPS... then I hooked up a WWS and found out he was just using SS -> Evisc 5pt :p |
| 11:42.48 | cncfanatics | u guess what happened |
| 11:42.49 | cncfanatics | parrynuked :( |
| 11:43.04 | cncfanatics | Punkie`whats a good dps cycle for rogues ? |
| 11:43.10 | cncfanatics | I have no rogue whatsoever |
| 11:43.13 | Mikk | clearly spam kick |
| 11:43.14 | Punkie` | So I talked to him and asked why he wasn't using slice and dice and apparently he "tested it out" and found it was better |
| 11:43.27 | Mikk | haha |
| 11:43.34 | dodga | Grum: Dude.. 80k crit |
| 11:43.34 | cncfanatics | aka, he was just plain lazy |
| 11:43.34 | Mikk | evisc does bigger numbarz |
| 11:43.38 | dodga | What are teh happen?! |
| 11:43.38 | Mikk | ergo it MUST BE BETTER |
| 11:43.57 | Punkie` | cncfanatics: usually, build up a 5pt SnD and keep it up all the time, then I usually use rupture |
| 11:44.00 | Grum | dodga: nice huh ? :D |
| 11:44.07 | dodga | Grum: Fascinating :> |
| 11:44.09 | Grum | yeah ;D |
| 11:44.19 | Grum | mark5 full crit i think |
| 11:44.28 | Grum | not sure if it stacks beyond 5 |
| 11:44.31 | Grum | but .. it HURT! :D |
| 11:44.39 | Mikk | 35k hurtful strike? o.O |
| 11:44.42 | Grum | =D |
| 11:44.43 | cncfanatics | Punkie` for short fights just dont use SnD I supose ? |
| 11:44.44 | Mikk | how many grows was that? 25? o.O |
| 11:44.48 | Grum | 14 |
| 11:44.51 | Grum | i think |
| 11:44.57 | Mikk | wth do you have negative armor or something? =) |
| 11:45.01 | cncfanatics | on a clothie, Mikk |
| 11:45.02 | Grum | holy priest =D |
| 11:45.04 | cncfanatics | he's a damn priest |
| 11:45.14 | Grum | i'm the squishy one |
| 11:45.22 | Punkie` | cncfanatics: yeah, maybe... if the fight lasts under 10 seconds :P |
| 11:45.43 | Mikk | for a combat rogue it's still better to keep snd up on multiple trash mobs |
| 11:45.49 | Punkie` | If you don't keep SnD up in PvE on a rogue, you suck |
| 11:45.50 | cncfanatics | Punkie` solo'ing ? |
| 11:45.56 | Grum | but it's fun, 35116 hit from Gruul, 80225 crit from VoidReaver =D |
| 11:46.10 | Grum | and a 82393 hydross crit .. rawr |
| 11:46.18 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 11:46.20 | cncfanatics | so glad i'm armored |
| 11:46.22 | Grum | someone did get a 100k+ hydross crit btw |
| 11:46.22 | cncfanatics | and crit immune |
| 11:46.23 | Punkie` | soloing is just eviscerate perhaps, depends on the time ofc :p |
| 11:46.24 | Grum | was a rogue :) |
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| 11:46.34 | Punkie` | I always keep SnD up on trash anyway |
| 11:46.43 | cncfanatics | well, some trash is just so damn short |
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| 11:46.57 | Punkie` | like what? |
| 11:47.11 | cncfanatics | horsies to attumen ? :p |
| 11:47.14 | cncfanatics | the single pull one ^^ |
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| 11:48.46 | Grum | cncfanatics: lies you didn't do that |
| 11:49.07 | Punkie` | I use SnD |
| 11:49.13 | Punkie` | it's always my first finisher |
| 11:49.57 | Mikk | aye only reason to not use snd is when it would be the last finisher |
| 11:49.58 | Mikk | for a long time |
| 11:50.36 | Mikk | (panic KSes not accounted for :P) |
| 11:50.43 | Punkie` | hehe |
| 11:51.41 | Mikk | i still have jolly memories of my alt rogue's first run in strath undead |
| 11:51.51 | Mikk | people in the group thought that the gauntlet blobs were bugged |
| 11:51.57 | Mikk | not a single one ever spat poison |
| 11:52.37 | Mikk | my dps on em wasn't that woohoo, granted, but .. it was fun :> |
| 11:54.00 | JoshBorke | mikk: write that damn tree synchronizer so i don't have to |
| 11:54.03 | Punkie` | aww, cute |
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| 11:56.26 | cncfanatics | gah i'm bored of this |
| 11:56.30 | cncfanatics | damn shitty fuckGUI |
| 11:56.38 | sb | dodga: having fun with gruul, hm? :o |
| 11:58.08 | dodga | sb: No, not really. 'tis my 3rd or 4th raid to wipe on Gruul. Because all other raids eventually disbanded because not enough people showed up for raids. And the ones that showed up were DPSing or healing like they were level 40 or something |
| 11:58.30 | sb | hm :o |
| 11:58.48 | dodga | Latest funny thing was |
| 11:59.00 | dodga | We tried to manage a raid with some people we knew |
| 11:59.17 | dodga | On sundays we barely got 25 people together |
| 11:59.29 | dodga | But mondays and tuesdays there were not even 10 people |
| 12:00.00 | dodga | So we disbanded; on the same day we disbanded the other guild posts in the realm forum they are looking for people to go raid 25 man instances |
| 12:00.14 | dodga | And they were looking for exactly the same classes that we would bring to the raid |
| 12:00.18 | sb | :o |
| 12:00.36 | dodga | So I was like "wtf?! you're looking for the classes we have. how come you wouldn't raid with us!?" |
| 12:00.46 | dodga | Really, my realm is just "le grande suck" |
| 12:00.58 | cncfanatics | i'm raiding with 10 decent people and 15 nubs |
| 12:01.00 | cncfanatics | aint much better |
| 12:01.12 | cncfanatics | 3 tanks & 7 healers = good people |
| 12:01.16 | cncfanatics | 15 dps'ers = 15 nubs |
| 12:01.32 | sb | dodga: still wtb shadowpriest on eu khaz'goroth horde ;o |
| 12:02.00 | dodga | Gurgthock put it very nicely on the EJ forums. 25 people that all are online at the same time on some days in the week, that have the knowledge and dedication and WoW would be to easy |
| 12:02.15 | dodga | sb: I'll petition a GM to transform me into a Blood Elf :> |
| 12:02.27 | cncfanatics | sb, I could reroll :o |
| 12:02.38 | dodga | I still outdamage everybody in our raids |
| 12:02.45 | dodga | And I ain't got 1000 shadow damage |
| 12:02.48 | dodga | People just plain suck |
| 12:02.55 | cncfanatics | I miss my old guild |
| 12:02.59 | cncfanatics | aaah the g'old aq40 times |
| 12:03.03 | cncfanatics | we actualy have 40 non nub people |
| 12:03.18 | LAG|Domo | Not everyone can use tailoring to create a set good enough to last to T6, Dodga |
| 12:03.19 | cncfanatics | all dps'ers were actualy competing for their god damn dmgmeters spot |
| 12:03.24 | sb | hmm no cncfanatics... |
| 12:03.30 | sb | i think it was like 30 non nub |
| 12:03.33 | cncfanatics | 40 |
| 12:03.35 | cncfanatics | really 40 |
| 12:03.43 | cncfanatics | all healers were competing on healing meters |
| 12:03.49 | cncfanatics | we didnt have crappy tanks |
| 12:03.56 | cncfanatics | same for dps as healers |
| 12:03.59 | dodga | LAG|Domo: I'm not a tailor; I only have some parts from heroics and Karazhan |
| 12:04.11 | dodga | The main problem is that people don't understand how to DPS with their class |
| 12:04.19 | cncfanatics | sb: we started out 7 months before TBC release, and got to twins in AQ40 when it was released |
| 12:04.21 | sb | well - in 40 it doesnt matter if you have 5 totally retarded players ;o |
| 12:04.24 | cncfanatics | which is pretty good imo |
| 12:04.34 | dodga | For shadowpriests it starts with not having a DoT timer and not using Mind Flay macros and speccing into +crit instead of Meditation |
| 12:04.41 | dodga | And so on.. |
| 12:04.48 | cncfanatics | dodga, mind flay "macro's" ? |
| 12:04.52 | cncfanatics | I never was a fan of macro's |
| 12:05.07 | dodga | cncfanatics: Yeah, if you cast mind flay too early you lose damage ticks |
| 12:05.21 | cncfanatics | cant you time that manualy with the quartz lagbar ? |
| 12:05.33 | dodga | Making it mana inefficient; so there is a macro you can spam that casts mind flay if you're not already casting mind flay |
| 12:05.48 | cncfanatics | meh, just time it with the lagbar & stopcasting imo :p |
| 12:05.50 | Mikk | of course you can time it manually |
| 12:05.53 | dodga | cncfanatics: Probably could, but why should I when there is that macro? |
| 12:06.03 | LAG|Domo | if you're a shadowpriest and dont have a dot timer you're probably not in a raid guild in the first place |
| 12:06.07 | cncfanatics | dodga, to win against lag |
| 12:06.17 | dodga | LAG|Domo: You would laugh what I've already seen |
| 12:06.20 | cncfanatics | you can stop casting slightly early with /stopcasting |
| 12:06.32 | dodga | cncfanatics: As I said. I'm outdpsing everybody in the raids I've been so far. No need to push myself |
| 12:06.33 | Mikk | well the MF macro basically does that already anyway |
| 12:06.42 | cncfanatics | Mikk, no it doesnt |
| 12:06.42 | dodga | And I'm not even flasking or using mana oil |
| 12:06.43 | Mikk | since it works off of an internal timer |
| 12:06.48 | cncfanatics | aaah |
| 12:06.51 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:06.53 | Mikk | mhm |
| 12:06.59 | dodga | I could easily get +100 damage more, but there is no competition anyways, so bleh :P |
| 12:07.05 | sb | we have some really bad "omfg pvp dps!" warlocks :/ (~500 dps in bossfights) |
| 12:07.06 | Mecdemort | they just need to make all spells like autoshot so we beat lag anyway ;p |
| 12:07.13 | lhunath | is there a known issue with any addons that causes the ESC button to stop popping up the main menu? |
| 12:07.33 | Mikk | i know it's possible for addons to eat the esc key yes |
| 12:07.48 | Mikk | if coded wrong |
| 12:07.59 | art3mis | im gonna go with "if you need macros to spam efficiently as a shadow priest, you need to reroll to something with less effort like a hopscotch player" |
| 12:08.02 | Mecdemort | i know nurfed had a bad habbit of doing it |
| 12:08.20 | LAG|Domo | Our spriests have 1200/1300 +damage or so but never really top dps. Not cause they suck but cause our other DPS is just better suited at it |
| 12:08.35 | dodga | art3mis: Yeah, because it would make endgame WoW so much more challenging. Oh wait.. |
| 12:08.39 | lhunath | yeah, but the main menu sound still occurs when you hit ESC; the menu just don't show. |
| 12:08.42 | LAG|Domo | I've seen spriests top dps early in TBC and karazhan, but nowadays, I hardly ever see them in top5 |
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| 12:09.01 | sb | LAG|Domo: mhhhh... |
| 12:09.05 | dodga | LAG|Domo: That is what I actually try to say. The other DPS people in our raids just plain suck at doing their job. I'm not saying I'm exceptionally good :o |
| 12:09.10 | Mikk | sane combat rogues, bm hunters, warlocks should be outdpsing spriests yes |
| 12:09.15 | Mikk | mages ... hrmm... |
| 12:09.20 | evl | Mikk: uh? |
| 12:09.25 | LAG|Domo | what do you raid? |
| 12:09.29 | LAG|Domo | @dodga |
| 12:09.31 | evl | Mikk: t6 shadowpriests do mindflays for like 1100 a tick |
| 12:09.32 | Mecdemort | if they'd stop nurfing us mages we might be able to do some damage again |
| 12:09.33 | art3mis | challenging has nothing to do with it, if you learn to let buttons do your job you're screwed if you're not at your computer or dont set it up exactly the same next install |
| 12:09.36 | sb | LAG|Domo: http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=sycvtus5mly6k&s=12506-12963 |
| 12:10.00 | dodga | LAG|Domo: I've kill Gruul, Magtheridon and Void Reaver so far. As I said, all raids disbanded eventually :\ |
| 12:10.05 | dodga | s/kill/killed/ |
| 12:10.07 | Mikk | evl: yeah and bm hunters do 1400+ dps in nonset leather |
| 12:10.20 | cncfanatics | dodga, our raids dont disband but we cant kill gruul or void reaver either |
| 12:10.27 | cncfanatics | most of our dps plain fucking sucks |
| 12:10.34 | cncfanatics | and as i'm no officer I cant do shit about it |
| 12:10.57 | dodga | cncfanatics: We don't disband because we couldn't kill shit. We disbanded because we barely managed to get 25 people together on 1 out of 3 raid days |
| 12:10.59 | LAG|Domo | sb: http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=1qz1551vrxtza&s=1948-2384 |
| 12:11.08 | LAG|Domo | shadowpriest at nr 10 |
| 12:11.16 | LAG|Domo | dunno if he sucks or if the rest is just good |
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| 12:11.26 | dodga | It's mindboggling actually. There are at least 100 people that are looking for a raid, but still we don't have enough people :D |
| 12:11.45 | sb | well 600 dps doesnt look that good :o |
| 12:11.47 | Mikk | LAG|Domo: i can't say i know the fight, but for plain dps, he should be higher |
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| 12:11.48 | CIA-14 | - new option to manipulate chat window alpha values on min-/maximization |
| 12:12.08 | dodga | LAG|Domo: Gryn could do better, e.g. he does not use Shadow Word: Death |
| 12:12.09 | cncfanatics | dodga, we cant fucking kill shit cuz our ppl dps lack the "skillz" |
| 12:12.10 | LAG|Domo | well to be fair it's naj'entus, so Sta gear |
| 12:12.12 | cncfanatics | its frustrating |
| 12:12.21 | Mikk | LAG|Domo: gotcha =) |
| 12:12.21 | LAG|Domo | Using SW; Death on Najentus is suicide |
| 12:12.27 | dodga | LAG|Domo: Also.. Imp Mana Burn, wtf? :D |
| 12:12.31 | cncfanatics | try to use SW: death during curator evocation |
| 12:12.35 | cncfanatics | its fun |
| 12:12.35 | kenlyric | cncfanatics: what I'm always told in that situation is "find new people" |
| 12:12.44 | Mikk | sw:death also eats mana like crazy so for a long fight, you want to avoid it, really |
| 12:12.46 | cncfanatics | kenlyric, as i said i'm no offi |
| 12:12.48 | cncfanatics | so I cant do shit about it |
| 12:12.51 | kenlyric | no |
| 12:12.52 | Mikk | leave guild? |
| 12:12.52 | dodga | cncfanatics: Did that once.. 8k Mind Blast crit got me carried away.. 7k SW:D crit, I barely survived :> |
| 12:12.56 | kenlyric | I mean, you, find new people :) |
| 12:13.03 | cncfanatics | Mikk, i'm leaving if nothing dies by the end of the month |
| 12:13.22 | cncfanatics | still have to tell my gmaster though |
| 12:13.28 | art3mis | meh im at the sucky level where i need someone to drag me through grnomer to complete like 15 quests |
| 12:13.33 | LAG|Domo | what's a good fight for Spriests to DPS? |
| 12:13.39 | LAG|Domo | I'll see if I can find a WWS |
| 12:13.39 | kenlyric | bah, instances! |
| 12:13.50 | cncfanatics | LAG|Domo, does it even matter ? |
| 12:13.58 | cncfanatics | any fight for ranged dps I guess |
| 12:13.58 | Mikk | LAG|Domo: well, any fight where they don't need to run around like headless chickens :> |
| 12:14.01 | Mikk | yeah |
| 12:14.07 | LAG|Domo | Well I'm curious if our spriest sucks or not :p |
| 12:14.10 | art3mis | kazzak ;P |
| 12:14.12 | cncfanatics | attumen :p |
| 12:14.15 | Mikk | lootreaver would be ok |
| 12:14.16 | art3mis | nightbane |
| 12:14.18 | dodga | LAG|Domo: Gryn got really good gear IMHO; he should use Vampiric Embrace and Shadow Word Death; he'll be probably chugging more mana potions, but it'll make his DPS better |
| 12:14.19 | Mikk | if you do him stilll |
| 12:14.19 | cncfanatics | he's simple tank & spank, attumen is perfect |
| 12:14.20 | art3mis | voidreaver |
| 12:14.26 | kenlyric | most any fight where they don't have to move a lot. |
| 12:14.38 | Mikk | lootreaver is a long fight and you don't need to run TOO much |
| 12:14.42 | art3mis | i rarely move in fights |
| 12:14.44 | kenlyric | though moving is less sucky on them than on a mage. |
| 12:14.51 | LAG|Domo | http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=2zdoumpittthe&s=4882-5272 void reaver. |
| 12:14.52 | sb | dodga: VE is bad bad aggro :o |
| 12:14.53 | art3mis | i tend to trust my healers though ;P |
| 12:15.06 | LAG|Domo | I |
| 12:15.11 | LAG|Domo | 'don't have WWS on attumen... :p |
| 12:15.16 | sb | dodga: better SW: D + priest renew |
| 12:15.18 | dodga | sb: I know, but somebody did the math. A well geared tank always outTPSs a shadowpriest, if there is no deaggro involved |
| 12:15.25 | dodga | sb: Also, I don't have ImpVE :P |
| 12:15.35 | Mikk | Tell Xidos to respec BM and get some leather. 780 dps for a hunter is laughable. |
| 12:15.48 | art3mis | ya know what surprises me on those reports |
| 12:15.50 | LAG|Domo | He's survival |
| 12:15.55 | art3mis | how low the heal % is |
| 12:15.57 | abbat_w | wrong spec/gear |
| 12:15.59 | LAG|Domo | We have 2 hunters, 1 BM and 1 Survival |
| 12:16.02 | abbat_w | as result - crap dps |
| 12:16.14 | abbat_w | But dps not a key ;) |
| 12:16.21 | kenlyric | lol, survival |
| 12:16.22 | LAG|Domo | Our BM hunter is great dps, Xidos, myeah, not so much |
| 12:16.30 | art3mis | if a priest is in the top 5 he should be at least 10% of the healing with a good 80% overheal ;P |
| 12:16.36 | LAG|Domo | It's not a bad raid spec really, survival. nice synergy |
| 12:16.40 | dodga | LAG|Domo: Oh wait. He already uses Vampiric Embrace. But he doesn't use SW:D :o |
| 12:16.55 | LAG|Domo | I think he does, but it depends on the fight. |
| 12:16.56 | kenlyric | 80% overheal on a priest? you'd never have enough mana. |
| 12:17.06 | Mikk | talking shadowpriests here |
| 12:17.09 | kenlyric | ah :) |
| 12:17.10 | abbat_w | it's a vampiric |
| 12:17.12 | kenlyric | 150% overheal |
| 12:17.15 | art3mis | heh |
| 12:17.23 | abbat_w | all shadowpriest heal going to overheal ;) |
| 12:17.30 | art3mis | not all the time |
| 12:17.34 | abbat_w | maybe not all but 90% |
| 12:17.35 | kenlyric | shadowpriest should pretty much be #1 raw healing. |
| 12:17.37 | art3mis | depends which group he gets stuck in |
| 12:17.44 | art3mis | nope |
| 12:17.47 | abbat_w | casters group |
| 12:17.50 | abbat_w | for mana regen |
| 12:17.53 | dodga | LAG|Domo: Another funny thing. The fight was 20 minutes? He used his 2m cooldown trinket only 3 times.. |
| 12:17.57 | kenlyric | MY group! |
| 12:18.00 | Mikk | Anyway, we have shadowpriests doing better than Gryn in worse gear. |
| 12:18.02 | Grum | LAG|Domo: do your priests suck or are your other healers imba? |
| 12:18.06 | LAG|Domo | 20 minutes? VR is not 20 minutes |
| 12:18.15 | Mikk | VR is max 10 or you die |
| 12:18.19 | LAG|Domo | I'd say our other healers are imba |
| 12:18.23 | Mikk | That one was 7 |
| 12:18.23 | LAG|Domo | But I'm not sure tbh |
| 12:18.26 | dodga | I dunno, maybe it's the time of death |
| 12:18.30 | Silviu- | http://wws.night-conquers-day.de/wws-20070809-1917/ |
| 12:18.34 | dodga | Okay, my bad |
| 12:18.37 | LAG|Domo | Our healing is fine at least, got Najentus pretty quick and that's quite healing intense |
| 12:18.39 | dodga | It was a 6 min fight |
| 12:18.47 | dodga | I'm too stupid to read WWS :D |
| 12:19.12 | Mikk | Anyway, Gryn should be capable of doing another 10% or so |
| 12:19.19 | Mikk | Kaine and Tweedk are just deplorably low |
| 12:19.20 | art3mis | Silviu-: tell bort his ve healing is bad and hes a bad person ;P |
| 12:19.21 | Grum | LAG|Domo: i can outheal most of our other healers without a problem as a priest but whereever i look i see highend-guilds never ever seeing holy priest standing on top |
| 12:19.32 | Silviu- | art3mis :) ok |
| 12:19.40 | abbat_w | 10 or 20 min... no difference if encounter died |
| 12:19.42 | Silviu- | I wonder why that rogue was before me |
| 12:19.43 | Silviu- | hmm :) |
| 12:19.46 | kenlyric | Grum: that may be because your pallies suck. |
| 12:19.50 | art3mis | you wont see priests on the top of healing |
| 12:20.00 | abbat_w | there is no competition like "we kill this encounter in 6 min 54 sec" |
| 12:20.03 | art3mis | they dont make healing priests anymore ;P |
| 12:20.05 | LAG|Domo | I'm not sure why that is, Grum. Priests just don't have the tools I guess, like chain heal and endless FoL spam |
| 12:20.15 | kenlyric | art3mis: yes, they do. |
| 12:20.19 | art3mis | nu uh! |
| 12:20.20 | cncfanatics | god, my GUI is totaly fucked up |
| 12:20.28 | kenlyric | we just have to work a lot harder to be best, and if pallies are working hard to be best, we have no chance. |
| 12:20.45 | art3mis | but yeah holy priests suffer the same fate as shadow for healing and dps respectively |
| 12:21.00 | kenlyric | and really, standing on top of the healing meter = meh. |
| 12:21.03 | art3mis | but it in a situation where another class can "aoe" or do multiples and youll lose |
| 12:21.04 | LAG|Domo | ah found the guild overview, http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?guild=zizleeakq4yb1 if anyone cares |
| 12:21.09 | kenlyric | it's our punishment for deriding paladin healing before TBC. |
| 12:21.26 | kenlyric | devs said "I'll fix you!" |
| 12:21.41 | Grum | kenlyric: i think we have pretty good pallies - well at least 2 |
| 12:21.45 | Grum | on trash i can not keep up with em |
| 12:21.50 | art3mis | well i think the major problem is tha they tried to rip off d&d paladins |
| 12:22.07 | art3mis | which were a god sent phenom class |
| 12:22.20 | art3mis | that was thier main mistake |
| 12:22.36 | art3mis | ditto for druids |
| 12:23.01 | art3mis | by all rights 90% of the druids abilities wouldnt function in 80% of the raid encounters |
| 12:23.22 | abbat_w | for example? |
| 12:23.27 | art3mis | molten core |
| 12:23.37 | art3mis | under d&d rules thats not outside near nature |
| 12:23.37 | abbat_w | no no, ability |
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| 12:23.45 | art3mis | leaving only those spells based on rocks/earth |
| 12:24.03 | art3mis | no moonfire, healing, etc etc |
| 12:24.09 | abbat_w | hmm... |
| 12:24.11 | Grum | gah those stats make me cry if i see how much we have to progress |
| 12:24.17 | art3mis | druids were elementalists to the core |
| 12:24.18 | abbat_w | are encounters immune to moonfire? |
| 12:27.36 | art3mis | i think you wandered in at a wrong point and didnt read the rest of the words ;P |
| 12:27.36 | abbat_w | roots/cyclone - yep, and it's a reason to make encounter immune to abilities like this |
| 12:27.36 | art3mis | outdoors though NOTHING can stand against a druid |
| 12:27.36 | LAG|Domo | well druids in WoW are pretty different from DnD |
| 12:27.36 | art3mis | true |
| 12:27.36 | LAG|Domo | Did DnD even have shapeshifting? |
| 12:27.36 | art3mis | but thats where they went wrong |
| 12:27.36 | art3mis | yup |
| 12:27.37 | abbat_w | ah... |
| 12:27.37 | Mikk | why does dnd have to be right |
| 12:27.37 | abbat_w | you mean dnd rules |
| 12:27.37 | abbat_w | pfff... |
| 12:27.37 | art3mis | they ripped off classes from another system and molded them to wow |
| 12:27.37 | abbat_w | agree with Mikk |
| 12:27.37 | Pkekyo|zZz | there's this addon that removes all the [Name] has joined the raid/battleground-messages in AV and such...anyone know it's name? |
| 12:27.37 | art3mis | and they just dont fit |
| 12:27.37 | abbat_w | I like my mage even if they wrong from DnD rules ;) |
| 12:27.37 | art3mis | because they did them wrong |
| 12:27.37 | kenlyric | Pkekyo|zZz: prat just added that function, I believe. |
| 12:27.37 | art3mis | mages priests rogues warrs are all pretty close to d&d |
| 12:27.37 | flexom | Pkekyo|zZz: Prat does now:p |
| 12:27.37 | flexom | bah |
| 12:27.38 | flexom | too slow |
| 12:27.38 | Tjoq | hello battyboys |
| 12:27.38 | cncfanatics | wth is happening to my slashcommands |
| 12:27.38 | art3mis | shaman are the oddball, in that they're sorta like clerics, but on the elemenalist side |
| 12:27.38 | Tjoq | they not be liking you |
| 12:27.40 | Tjoq | art3mis: wtf? |
| 12:30.08 | abbat_w | anyway i like druids |
| 12:30.19 | abbat_w | don't know why but i like |
| 12:30.43 | abbat_w | mage is most fun class in wow for sure. and second fun class it's a druid |
| 12:31.02 | Mikk | druids are insanely fun solo post druid lovepatch |
| 12:31.09 | kenlyric | bah |
| 12:31.13 | kenlyric | priest4life! |
| 12:31.17 | Mikk | feral spec anyway :> |
| 12:31.17 | abbat_w | nope |
| 12:31.21 | Grum | not holy please kenlyric |
| 12:31.30 | abbat_w | priests always bkome my sheep with crap dots ;) |
| 12:31.36 | abbat_w | doesn't like this ;) |
| 12:31.36 | art3mis | holy dps priests are fun |
| 12:31.41 | kenlyric | yes, holy. |
| 12:31.47 | kenlyric | though, not levelling of course. |
| 12:31.54 | art3mis | thats not true |
| 12:32.01 | art3mis | holy spec priests are grinding machines |
| 12:32.11 | Mikk | erm |
| 12:32.12 | Mikk | maybe pre 60 |
| 12:32.13 | art3mis | ;) |
| 12:32.18 | art3mis | nah after 60 |
| 12:32.18 | kenlyric | sure, if you like slow ass grinding. |
| 12:32.24 | art3mis | they rarely run outta hp and mana |
| 12:32.34 | art3mis | i didnt say they were fast machines ;P |
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| 12:32.44 | LAG|Domo | I love being a feral post TBC. |
| 12:32.53 | LAG|Domo | I have an actual role to play in raids, and loving it |
| 12:33.44 | kenlyric | you don't have to run out of mana as a spriest either. |
| 12:33.50 | art3mis | well no |
| 12:33.51 | kenlyric | but shit sure does die a lot faster. |
| 12:34.06 | art3mis | depends on the speed though |
| 12:34.19 | kenlyric | I did most of my netherwing rep as holy, so I know it's possible. Just dead dull. |
| 12:34.25 | art3mis | yup |
| 12:34.37 | art3mis | ya know whats funy as sp compare to hp |
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| 12:34.52 | art3mis | you're much more willing to try to kill that thing 5 levels above you |
| 12:35.14 | art3mis | cuz you know you stand a very good chance of winning |
| 12:35.43 | art3mis | or roaming all over the place not caring what you find(unless its a 5 levels higher elite) |
| 12:36.34 | art3mis | and as a side note mikk: pre tbc is was NEVER holy ;) |
| 12:37.01 | art3mis | and i was only holy for 3 levels in tbc just cuz i wanted to see if they made it fun |
| 12:37.31 | LAG|Domo | why is this -soloing- shaman that's grinding furbolgs using tranquil air totem |
| 12:37.57 | kenlyric | lol |
| 12:37.57 | art3mis | he keeps clicking the wrong button? |
| 12:38.11 | kenlyric | wrong derfault in yata? |
| 12:38.11 | art3mis | ive done that far to often on my shaman |
| 12:38.36 | art3mis | str totem, mana totem, frost resistence |
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| 12:38.42 | art3mis | ;) |
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| 12:39.15 | LAG|Domo | you know |
| 12:39.34 | LAG|Domo | thinking back on our shadowpriest disc, I think our spriests don't suck, I think our tanks do |
| 12:39.40 | art3mis | i really should set up yata properly sometime |
| 12:39.48 | LAG|Domo | cause I know Gryn is riding the threat cap 90% of the time |
| 12:40.05 | art3mis | its pretty easy to ride that as a sp though |
| 12:40.16 | LAG|Domo | yeah but it limits dps |
| 12:40.32 | LAG|Domo | he often complains he has to hold back |
| 12:40.34 | art3mis | but if he's fading often(as it pops up) and not going balls out he shouldnt always be on the edge |
| 12:40.37 | LAG|Domo | except when I am tanking ofc ;) |
| 12:40.54 | LAG|Domo | fade? :p |
| 12:40.59 | art3mis | heh |
| 12:41.00 | kenlyric | uh |
| 12:41.14 | art3mis | yeah that thing that lets you go balls out for a few seconds every 30 ;P |
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| 12:41.34 | kenlyric | uh |
| 12:41.39 | art3mis | or as i like to call it "the warlock die button" |
| 12:41.43 | LAG|Domo | doesn't the threat gain gain during a fade pop up when it ends? |
| 12:41.49 | LAG|Domo | you gain* |
| 12:41.53 | kenlyric | you'd do better just evening out your dps. |
| 12:42.14 | art3mis | i use fade to give him more room |
| 12:42.21 | kenlyric | Since fade isn't permanent, it's a waste of mana unless you absolutely have to go all out right then. |
| 12:42.24 | art3mis | when he's not gaining as fast |
| 12:42.31 | sb | LAG|Domo: 90% threat? then drop VE :p |
| 12:42.45 | sb | causing too much threat :/ |
| 12:42.50 | kenlyric | fade is like shield. |
| 12:43.05 | art3mis | fade works wierdly in every raid ive been in |
| 12:43.20 | art3mis | if its a boredline getting close ill stop dps and pop fade |
| 12:43.28 | art3mis | giving the tank a bit bigger buffer |
| 12:43.45 | art3mis | which lets me have more fun once its gone as he's got a larger lead |
| 12:43.47 | kenlyric | you'd save some mana stopping dps ealier. |
| 12:44.03 | art3mis | and it avoids the accidental pulling |
| 12:44.52 | art3mis | at any given time if i do an mb+swd i can pull aggro |
| 12:44.54 | art3mis | shrug |
| 12:45.04 | art3mis | we usually play the steal aggro game |
| 12:45.12 | art3mis | where the goal is to pull it off the tank |
| 12:45.21 | art3mis | thats how we train our tanks ;P |
| 12:45.43 | kenlyric | practive fading as a healing priest is a little more sensible, at a moment you know you're going to have to go all out. But it's not much good when doing damage. |
| 12:46.04 | sb | *sigh* its fun if your tank has ~4 fps on magtheridon :p |
| 12:46.08 | kenlyric | not that I'd know anything about threat in TBC. |
| 12:46.16 | sb | (because of all that fire and stuff, you know... :p) |
| 12:46.41 | kenlyric | holy priest threat is something like a joke in TBC. |
| 12:46.51 | sb | oh... well |
| 12:46.59 | sb | tidewalker :o |
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| 12:48.59 | kenlyric | it sometimes makes me want to take less than 3 points in silent resolve, but meh, where would I spend them? |
| 12:51.17 | sb | you dont want to do that, really... |
| 12:51.52 | sb | we had some priest with 1/3 on morogrim, he died _every_ time (murlocs) |
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| 12:52.04 | kenlyric | 1/3? |
| 12:52.10 | kenlyric | it's five points :) |
| 12:52.15 | sb | err 1/5 |
| 12:52.44 | sb | or 2/3 |
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| 12:53.13 | sb | then there was some whining on the forums ('meh, i'm too stupid etc... or could it be my silent resolve??") - became some nice flaming threat then %-0 |
| 12:53.42 | sb | respecc to 5/5 and well.. he did survive ;) |
| 12:58.03 | vithos | anybody use nSideBar? |
| 12:58.13 | vithos | can't seem to get it to do anything |
| 12:58.24 | kenlyric | yeah, I could see it being an issue in fights with lots of collateral aggro. I'd hate to have to take 5/5 though. |
| 12:59.37 | Ominous | what are the effects if you have a too small psu |
| 13:00.58 | Wobin | you won't be able to run too many peripherals at the same time |
| 13:01.50 | Grum | sb: silent resolve is totally useless |
| 13:02.01 | sb | i dont think so :o |
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| 13:02.03 | Grum | and priests dying @ Morogrim need to save their fade buttons for the right time |
| 13:02.33 | Grum | and get some 'aggro warning' on their screen :) |
| 13:02.44 | sb | well... i can do ~4 renews (when incoming murlocs) till i get 'aggro warning' :o |
| 13:02.44 | xyu | somoene teach my guild how to avoid a huge blast of water moving in a 360 degree pattern. they just can't seem to get the concept. lol |
| 13:02.54 | sb | so fade then -> fine |
| 13:02.54 | Grum | i can do 5 CoH's |
| 13:02.55 | xyu | i guess they never did c'thun for the practice ~_^ |
| 13:03.12 | Grum | xyu: jump in the water |
| 13:03.14 | sb | xyu: lurker? :p |
| 13:03.18 | xyu | haha yeah |
| 13:03.19 | Grum | there is no other way |
| 13:03.28 | Grum | (which is sane) |
| 13:03.30 | sb | water is pretty easy |
| 13:03.31 | xyu | so frustrating to see 5 people every spout, die to something so easy |
| 13:03.39 | sb | well |
| 13:03.42 | Grum | xyu: you do not jump in the water but run around? |
| 13:03.47 | xyu | no we do water |
| 13:03.51 | xyu | i do both, whatever i feel like |
| 13:04.06 | sb | then 50 dkp minus for every player who dies from spout? :p |
| 13:04.10 | xyu | agreed! |
| 13:04.15 | ramoz | can you run away from the spout? |
| 13:04.20 | xyu | yea |
| 13:04.23 | ramoz | i mean, in circle |
| 13:04.28 | cncfanatics | finaly |
| 13:04.29 | cncfanatics | i'm damn done |
| 13:04.32 | cncfanatics | time to dish out bugs |
| 13:04.34 | xyu | if it's not on your ass |
| 13:04.37 | ramoz | really? |
| 13:04.42 | xyu | yep |
| 13:04.43 | ramoz | we've always done the water |
| 13:04.48 | kenlyric | maybe it has fucked up graphical borders, like everything else in wow? |
| 13:04.48 | Grum | you can but it is at least as fast as aspect of cheetah |
| 13:04.53 | xyu | if it's going the opposite way that you are. |
| 13:04.56 | xyu | it's easy to run around |
| 13:05.17 | ramoz | well running after it is easy, but i meant running away from it |
| 13:05.23 | xyu | but if if your'e standing a bit close and it comes in your direction you'd need to have sprint or aspect and quick reflexes |
| 13:05.37 | Grum | just jump in the water .. 100% sure |
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| 13:05.42 | xyu | Grum, not with my guild |
| 13:05.48 | xyu | people in the water are like "omg i still died" |
| 13:06.56 | cncfanatics | xyu, thats called excuses :p |
| 13:07.06 | xyu | yep :D |
| 13:07.37 | kenlyric | blizzard's loose concept of physics means you can't be as exact as you'd like. |
| 13:07.39 | xyu | I think we're doing the island dps wrong as well. we're putting ranged on the middle ring and just having a rogue or something swim out there when they pop |
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| 13:09.07 | vithos | we don't do that |
| 13:09.14 | xyu | i dont like it |
| 13:09.18 | vithos | i'm a hunter, i play on an island and ice trap one mob |
| 13:09.27 | vithos | our melee dps stay on the center |
| 13:09.42 | vithos | ranged kill the island mobs first, then finish up the ring |
| 13:10.01 | evl | rogues on the melee |
| 13:10.06 | vithos | there's enough room on the island for hunters to get out of dead zone and dps the mobs |
| 13:10.23 | ramoz | we have one tank and one CC on the islands |
| 13:10.26 | xyu | do you assign like a group per island? |
| 13:10.29 | vithos | just have mages sheeping the island too |
| 13:10.37 | ramoz | either a mage to sheep, warlock to fear |
| 13:10.55 | vithos | we assign up to 2 players per island |
| 13:11.04 | vithos | usually it's just telling the hunters which island they're on |
| 13:11.05 | xyu | that's it? everyone else on gladiators? |
| 13:11.24 | vithos | ranged can dps the island mobs from the ring |
| 13:11.34 | xyu | is island priority? |
| 13:11.37 | vithos | they don't need to be on the islands |
| 13:11.39 | vithos | yes |
| 13:11.53 | vithos | for ranged, islands are priority |
| 13:11.58 | ramoz | we dps them on the island |
| 13:12.04 | evl | xyu: you have cleared all 6 platforms so the water is boiling right? |
| 13:12.11 | xyu | yeah evl |
| 13:12.20 | evl | and you keep tank underwater with underwater breathing? |
| 13:12.27 | xyu | nope |
| 13:12.35 | evl | just buff tank with underwater breathing |
| 13:12.36 | xyu | he gets knocked back and we wait i think |
| 13:12.38 | evl | put him at tank spot |
| 13:12.43 | evl | he can stay there wall fight |
| 13:12.46 | evl | only 500 damage per 3 sec |
| 13:12.53 | xyu | hmm it's a good idea |
| 13:12.54 | evl | no knockbacks, no offtank needed |
| 13:13.04 | vithos | just make sure people know not to pull aggro on the ring adds |
| 13:13.07 | evl | melee just jump in water and continue dps on spout |
| 13:13.17 | evl | sheep two melee adds, dps clockwise or so |
| 13:13.27 | xyu | yeah , that's our problem is people aren't used to needing to pay attention. |
| 13:13.29 | xyu | especially our hunters |
| 13:13.32 | evl | shadowpriests and warlock can dot more than one island |
| 13:13.54 | xyu | ah ok, thx. i'll make the suggestions today |
| 13:13.58 | xyu | and yell at slow people |
| 13:14.02 | evl | the underwater thing is really nice :P |
| 13:14.06 | xyu | recount tells me who takes spout damage^^ |
| 13:14.14 | evl | if you get spouted you suck ass |
| 13:14.18 | xyu | yep |
| 13:14.19 | vithos | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.26 | evl | just jump in water and continue dps |
| 13:14.39 | evl | also, jumping into the inner ring is faster and often more convenient for melee dsp |
| 13:14.51 | evl | rather than backing up |
| 13:15.15 | ramoz | with the chance of beeing wwed in the face |
| 13:15.19 | Grum | from what i saw his bounding box is so large you can actually stand halfway the platform |
| 13:15.36 | evl | if you get ww'ed you suck more or you don't run bigwigs |
| 13:15.41 | evl | he will ww after spout |
| 13:15.48 | vithos | ww=whirl? |
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| 13:15.51 | xyu | you can avoid whirl? |
| 13:15.56 | Grum | yes |
| 13:15.57 | art3mis | weewee'd |
| 13:16.00 | Grum | stand on the edge of the platform |
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| 13:16.08 | Pkekyo|zZz | 14:26 kenlyricPkekyo|zZz: prat just added that function, I believe. |
| 13:16.08 | Pkekyo|zZz | can't seem to find the option, anyone know where to look for it? |
| 13:16.11 | Grum | though it bugs occasionally :P |
| 13:16.29 | xyu | wow so there's NO reason ranged dps should be taking damage before spout? |
| 13:16.32 | Grum | i can stand perfectly still on 1 spot on the very edge of the platform and still get hit ;D |
| 13:16.43 | Grum | xyu: should not be indeed |
| 13:16.44 | xyu | oh ok |
| 13:16.45 | vithos | ranged dps should never get hit by whirl.. |
| 13:16.49 | Grum | ranged-dps should be on the platforms anyhow |
| 13:17.00 | Grum | and all but a mage/warlock move away if needed |
| 13:17.05 | vithos | they can be on the ring, they just need to be standing on the outside edge of it |
| 13:17.06 | cryogen | why would you NOT jump in the water ? :) |
| 13:17.19 | xyu | cryogen: we have slow stupid sloths |
| 13:17.24 | vithos | you don't jump in the water for whirl, just for spout |
| 13:17.25 | xyu | who are used to not paying attention |
| 13:17.25 | art3mis | allergies |
| 13:17.30 | cryogen | we do too |
| 13:17.42 | Grum | we have groups in the water during the whole time he is up |
| 13:17.44 | cryogen | but we nwo shout on vent JUMP IN THE WATER when he starts spou |
| 13:17.44 | cryogen | t |
| 13:17.49 | Grum | depending on how many shadoooom priests we have ;D |
| 13:17.54 | Speeddymon | are there any admins besides ckknight? if so, are any on? |
| 13:18.07 | Grum | Speeddymon: ask your question :D |
| 13:18.22 | Speeddymon | It's not a question.. its a problem with svn im having |
| 13:18.22 | xyu | we have 1 warlock who dies every spout (female player) every single spout lol |
| 13:18.27 | art3mis | ~emulate ckknight |
| 13:18.36 | purl | <@ckknight> if I do it just for myself, there's no one to gloat to |
| 13:18.38 | Grum | well, it could be possible that other people could help you with that other than the server admins |
| 13:18.53 | Grum | xyu: /gremove |
| 13:18.56 | Grum | seriously |
| 13:19.04 | Grum | you have to be *completely* retarded to die from spout |
| 13:19.06 | Speeddymon | not when its the server that has the problem.. but ok here goes: |
| 13:19.11 | art3mis | grum: you missed the brackets, she's got boobies |
| 13:19.18 | Grum | so? |
| 13:19.24 | *** join/#wowace Hjalte (i=Hjalte@0x57337492.svgnxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 13:19.26 | Grum | kick her in between the boobies |
| 13:19.27 | art3mis | thats why she's still in the guild ;P |
| 13:19.39 | art3mis | it makes vent seem less "gay" |
| 13:19.40 | Megalon | boobiebonus |
| 13:19.41 | Megalon | ftw |
| 13:19.43 | vithos | numerous people dying to spout was the last straw that convinced me realm trasnferring was the right thing to do. |
| 13:19.44 | Grum | sigh |
| 13:19.59 | cryogen | we just get people to suck up the water dot now |
| 13:19.59 | xyu | vith i would too but i have school starting up |
| 13:20.01 | Grum | vithos: ended up at a good new place? ;) |
| 13:20.04 | cryogen | if they are too stupid to avoid it at a good time |
| 13:20.07 | xyu | dont want to get too serious about raiding again |
| 13:20.07 | Speeddymon | I updated CDT2 last night, 3 times, in SVN trunk. the files.wowace.com server has other people's updates that were done both before and after mine, but yet mine still has not gotten updated. |
| 13:20.23 | Pkekyo|zZz | there's a new feature in prat, disabling the [Name] has joined x-battleground, anyone know where I can find the option for it? |
| 13:20.31 | Speeddymon | updates to their own addons |
| 13:20.50 | Grum | so, who knows anything about the updating to files.wowace.com? |
| 13:20.52 | art3mis | vithos: you needed a reason to transfer? |
| 13:21.00 | vithos | Grum: yep, old guild had VR down; new guild one-shot kael (first kill for them) with us new transfers |
| 13:21.06 | art3mis | i transfer to new realms when i get bored ;P |
| 13:21.18 | art3mis | what server did you end up on? |
| 13:21.22 | Grum | vithos: which server?? :D |
| 13:21.27 | vithos | moonrunner |
| 13:21.35 | art3mis | horde? |
| 13:21.37 | vithos | alliance |
| 13:21.41 | art3mis | ahh |
| 13:21.41 | Grum | do they need a Prot Warrior and Holy Priest? ;) |
| 13:21.47 | Speeddymon | ... grum: good question... |
| 13:21.47 | kenlyric | it's difficult to get guilds to give you a chance when you've been wallowing with the pigs. |
| 13:21.51 | art3mis | ive got a few friends on there horde side |
| 13:22.13 | dodga | Pkekyo|zZz: Enable the "Filtering" module, it's there |
| 13:22.13 | Grum | oh nevermind, that's proly US right? :P |
| 13:22.17 | art3mis | yup |
| 13:22.29 | Grum | i'm sick of our guild not being able to progress |
| 13:22.35 | Grum | makes me cry |
| 13:22.43 | art3mis | just swear at them lots |
| 13:22.48 | Pkekyo|zZz | cheers dodga |
| 13:22.51 | Grum | oooh i do :P |
| 13:22.52 | art3mis | it may not help but youll feel better |
| 13:22.56 | vithos | Grum: not really, but there's tons of guilds looking for transfers on many realms |
| 13:23.09 | Speeddymon | ~seen ckknight |
| 13:23.31 | purl | ckknight is currently on #wowi-lounge (13h 4m 41s) #norganna (13h 4m 41s) #wowace (13h 4m 41s). Has said a total of 424 messages. Is idling for 1h 51m 8s, last said: 'dieck: wtf, I'm a Mac user and I write a shitload of ace stuff'. |
| 13:23.31 | Grum | vithos: ah well there is just 1 restriction - it has to be 2 players :) |
| 13:23.31 | *** join/#wowace [Ammo]_ (n=wouter@connected.dnd.utwente.nl) |
| 13:23.31 | Grum | and we both have to be able to raid |
| 13:23.36 | *** join/#wowace Ominous (i=HydraIRC@85-210-22-32.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 13:24.01 | Grum | ck is sleeping i think :) |
| 13:24.04 | Speeddymon | ~ping ckknight |
| 13:24.05 | purl | pong ckknight |
| 13:24.14 | Speeddymon | hmm |
| 13:24.21 | Speeddymon | ckknight: ping |
| 13:24.41 | Grum | vithos: so it's rather hard to move around if you are with 2 :) |
| 13:24.54 | Speeddymon | .. dang.. |
| 13:25.01 | CIA-14 | 03poull 07poull * r46632 10PallyPower/PallyPower.lua: PallyPower: Updated AssignPlayerAsClass and added GetSeverityColor. |
| 13:25.06 | Speeddymon | how bout |
| 13:25.10 | Speeddymon | kergoth: ping |
| 13:25.12 | vithos | not really, my transfer was with a group of about 8 |
| 13:25.25 | Grum | vithos: we still need to join somewhere :) |
| 13:25.45 | Grum | to something that has at least seen kael and vashj |
| 13:25.54 | vithos | gogo realm forums/the raiding site forums |
| 13:25.56 | Grum | we're doing 1 boss every 2 weeks orso |
| 13:25.58 | cncfanatics | how can you get an item's bag slot & itemslot knowing only its name ? |
| 13:26.01 | Grum | it's going sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow |
| 13:26.19 | vithos | fill out lots of apps until you find something you like |
| 13:26.20 | Speeddymon | grum.. get on PTR and join nihilium |
| 13:26.41 | *** join/#wowace Kyahx (n=kyahx@mayo-nat4.mayo.edu) |
| 13:26.42 | odt | :D |
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| 13:27.33 | Speeddymon | cairenn: ping |
| 13:27.38 | kenlyric | course, you could transfer, try out, and find out you aren't very much above the skill level of your guildmates. |
| 13:27.39 | Tupsi | what is nihilum doing these days anyway, just wait for the next expansion? |
| 13:27.56 | *** part/#wowace Nightdew_ (n=Nightdew@68.143.218.130.nw.nuvox.net) |
| 13:28.03 | Speeddymon | i dunno.. |
| 13:28.06 | Speeddymon | tbh |
| 13:28.45 | Speeddymon | cncfanatics: loop thru all of the bag slots with GetContainerItemInfo() |
| 13:29.04 | cncfanatics | Speeddymon, thats a pain -.- |
| 13:29.12 | Tupsi | but its a nice choice for explaining relativity: for them the next expansion cant get fast enough, for me it can wait forever |
| 13:29.46 | kenlyric | there's another 25 man coming before the next xpac. |
| 13:29.53 | vithos | orly |
| 13:29.55 | Speeddymon | tupsi: lol i think you got that backwards.. for them the next expansion can wait forever, and for me it cant come fast enough |
| 13:29.58 | Tupsi | orly? |
| 13:30.02 | Tupsi | lol, to slow :-) |
| 13:30.05 | vithos | i think you mean 10man |
| 13:30.06 | Speeddymon | ... o.O |
| 13:30.10 | kenlyric | uh. |
| 13:30.17 | kenlyric | did you read anything out of blizzcon? |
| 13:30.26 | vithos | are you talking about zul'aman? |
| 13:30.32 | kenlyric | no. |
| 13:30.34 | kenlyric | I said 25 man |
| 13:30.36 | cncfanatics | zul'aman 10man |
| 13:30.40 | cncfanatics | and the sun well 25 man |
| 13:30.46 | Speeddymon | nice |
| 13:30.47 | cncfanatics | or at least something related to the sun well |
| 13:30.51 | cncfanatics | sunwell even |
| 13:30.53 | vithos | ...i did not read that, apparently |
| 13:30.59 | Tupsi | where would that be placed on the map? |
| 13:31.13 | kenlyric | uh. |
| 13:31.29 | cncfanatics | Speedymon, how to loop through every bag & inventory slot ? |
| 13:31.35 | cncfanatics | cant find functions to find out how much bag slots there are |
| 13:31.41 | cncfanatics | some for inv slots |
| 13:31.45 | kenlyric | that may be why you didn't know if, you're expecting that kind of news from worldofwarcraft.com :) |
| 13:31.52 | cncfanatics | indeed |
| 13:32.19 | kenlyric | sunwell is in the blood elf city, right? alliance will have to break in. |
| 13:32.27 | kenlyric | Just like stockades, but in reverse! |
| 13:32.38 | cncfanatics | highly doubt that for a 25man |
| 13:33.03 | kenlyric | put it somewhere annoying. |
| 13:33.10 | xyu | gnomer |
| 13:33.11 | kenlyric | everyone had it to easy in TBC. |
| 13:34.31 | Speeddymon | cncfanatics: 1 sec |
| 13:35.01 | *** mode/#wowace [+o [Ammo]] by ChanServ |
| 13:35.20 | Speeddymon | GetContainerNumSlots |
| 13:35.30 | Speeddymon | another loop.. |
| 13:35.48 | Speeddymon | ill get you a pastebin.. 1 min |
| 13:36.31 | cncfanatics | sigh loops & loops & loops :( |
| 13:37.03 | Pkekyo|zZz | dodga: enabling the filtering module of prat did *nothing* to the joinedBG-spam |
| 13:37.07 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.12 | Speeddymon | http://pastebin.com/d70ec3887 |
| 13:37.20 | Speeddymon | string.merge? |
| 13:37.20 | kenlyric | the more important question is "what the hell does kil'jaeden have to do with the sunwell. |
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| 13:37.34 | cncfanatics | table.concat I think |
| 13:37.40 | dodga | Pkekyo|zZz: I did not test it myself, I just said where the option is :D |
| 13:37.49 | Speeddymon | but thats for a table.. |
| 13:37.59 | cncfanatics | Speeddymon, the output of string.split is a table |
| 13:38.09 | cncfanatics | this its quite logical that the reverse is done on a table :) |
| 13:38.15 | cncfanatics | just wasnt sure of the name anymoer |
| 13:38.43 | Pkekyo|zZz | gaj |
| 13:38.48 | Speeddymon | hmm.. never used string.split, but i figured since the operation was done on a string, that the same would be true for the inverse.. |
| 13:38.55 | Pkekyo|zZz | s/gaj/gah |
| 13:39.09 | Speeddymon | Pkekyo|zZz: another problem? |
| 13:40.15 | Pkekyo|zZz | Speeddymon: trying to find out how to get Prat to block the [name] joined BG-spam |
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| 13:41.04 | sb | sylvanaar: new prat highlighting is neat :) |
| 13:41.53 | dodga | Screenshot plx :> |
| 13:42.23 | Pkekyo|zZz | I second that |
| 13:43.49 | sb | hm okay |
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| 13:45.47 | cncfanatics | finished groups for flexbar ! :) |
| 13:45.52 | cncfanatics | it aint the most efficient way, but it works |
| 13:45.55 | cncfanatics | I'll polish it later |
| 13:47.07 | sb | dodga: http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot081507154511nw6.jpg |
| 13:48.09 | Pkekyo|zZz | it's that huge thing in the center of the screen? |
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| 13:49.19 | cncfanatics | group support weeee ! :p |
| 13:49.34 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r46633 10FlexBar2/ (Action/Action.lua Core.lua): (log message trimmed) |
| 13:49.34 | CIA-14 | FlexBar2: |
| 13:49.34 | CIA-14 | Core.lua |
| 13:49.34 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.34 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.35 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.37 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.46 | sb | Pkekyo|zZz: yes :p |
| 13:52.17 | dodga | sb: Butt ugly :P |
| 13:52.26 | dodga | Also, annoying as hell, I can only imagine :D |
| 13:52.26 | sb | stfu ;p |
| 13:52.45 | Pkekyo|zZz | so basicly, gchat pops up in the middle of your screen? |
| 13:53.00 | sb | well no |
| 13:53.06 | dodga | Pkekyo|zZz: It probably only pops up if userdefined words are in the text |
| 13:53.09 | sb | right |
| 13:53.14 | Pkekyo|zZz | ah |
| 13:53.16 | dodga | Pretty much how highlighting in IRC clients works |
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| 13:53.56 | Pkekyo|zZz | hmm, methinks my IRC client highlights my name...not sure though, never seen it in any other clients, so got nothing to compare with :> |
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| 13:54.35 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 13:54.59 | cncfanatics | all IRC clients highlight ur name when its said |
| 13:55.05 | cncfanatics | at least all that I used |
| 13:55.33 | Pkekyo | I never saw it before atleast...running OperaIRC now :> |
| 13:55.51 | cncfanatics | Pidgin does it |
| 13:57.01 | cncfanatics | someone test out flexbar pl0x |
| 13:58.38 | CIA-14 | 03poull 07poull * r46634 10PallyPower/PallyPower.lua: PallyPower: Updated AssignPlayerAsClass to pick same buffer as for greater blessings when no improvement can be archieved. |
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| 14:01.00 | Pkekyo | rofl, gotta love it, french movie dubbed to german |
| 14:01.19 | Speeddymon_ | phyber: ping |
| 14:01.25 | Speeddymon_ | ~seen phyber |
| 14:01.28 | purl | phyber is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowace. Has said a total of 10 messages. Is idling for 1d 1h 12m 19s, last said: 'back int he day, you'd just drop them into the addons directory and reloadui. ahh, simpler times.'. |
| 14:01.46 | phyber | Speeddymon: hi |
| 14:02.03 | Speeddymon | hey digicamfu has a missing ] on line 4 in the localization file |
| 14:02.10 | phyber | k, fixing :) |
| 14:02.22 | Speeddymon | I figured I'd ping you before trying to upload the change myself hehe |
| 14:02.30 | Speeddymon | thx |
| 14:02.52 | CIA-14 | 03phyber * r46635 10FuBar_DigiCamFu/DigiCamFuLocale-enUS.lua: FuBar_DigiCamFu: |
| 14:03.11 | phyber | needs more quotemarks for message :| |
| 14:03.12 | phyber | ah well. |
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| 14:04.20 | Pkekyo | there's a new feature in prat, disabling the [Name] has joined x-battleground, anyone know where I can find the option and disable the spam? |
| 14:04.54 | *** join/#wowace Kilroo (n=Kilroo@cpe-071-076-173-175.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 14:05.15 | Speeddymon | wtf.. now im getting RegisterTranslation does not exist.. |
| 14:05.34 | phyber | heh. |
| 14:06.13 | phyber | ahh, I know why. |
| 14:06.35 | dodga | Pkekyo: You're probably best off reporting in the forums that it does not work as expected |
| 14:07.13 | Pkekyo | meh, I don't even understand the ace forums :p |
| 14:07.36 | Speeddymon | missing 's' |
| 14:07.38 | Speeddymon | yeh |
| 14:08.45 | CIA-14 | 03phyber * r46636 10FuBar_DigiCamFu/ (DigiCamFu.lua DigiCamFuLocale-enUS.lua): |
| 14:08.45 | CIA-14 | FuBar_DigiCamFu: |
| 14:08.45 | CIA-14 | - All typos, all speeling mistaks are open to me. |
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| 14:09.15 | fireglow | rofl |
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| 14:09.26 | fireglow | phyber: gg -.- |
| 14:09.48 | Pkekyo | can someone please tell me how to post in the ace forums? :p |
| 14:10.11 | dodga | Pkekyo: Register an account, click "reply", profit |
| 14:10.13 | Speeddymon | rofl speeling mistaks ... no wonder |
| 14:10.17 | Pkekyo | can't find any 'reply', make 'post' or such |
| 14:10.32 | Speeddymon | Pkekyo: you need to have an account and be logged in |
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| 14:10.42 | Pkekyo | I have an account and I am logged in |
| 14:10.43 | phyber | Speeddymon: ;) |
| 14:11.03 | Pkekyo | err... |
| 14:11.06 | dodga | Pkekyo: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=6243.380 <- at the very bottom there is "reply" |
| 14:11.20 | Pkekyo | I was logged in, until I pressed the "search" link, for some reason... |
| 14:11.32 | Speeddymon | lol |
| 14:11.52 | Speeddymon | well at the top of every message is a quote link, which opens a reply with x message quoted |
| 14:12.03 | Pkekyo | I get logged out when I open a thread I find by the search function |
| 14:13.58 | Pkekyo | Grum, seriously....it's not so much the smell, as it is THE BURNING OF MY EEEEEEEEEYEEEEEEEES |
| 14:14.25 | Grum | pure chloride ftw! |
| 14:14.30 | Pkekyo | lmao |
| 14:14.36 | Grum | burn corneas burn! |
| 14:18.42 | Pkekyo | huh, 246 folders in \Interface\AddOns |
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| 14:19.16 | kenlyric | ooh, more than me |
| 14:19.37 | Pkekyo | I'd bet I don't even need half that shit |
| 14:19.43 | Pkekyo | took it 'cause it seemed fancypants |
| 14:21.18 | Grum | humz i've got 300+ |
| 14:22.36 | kenlyric | I guess I pared down a few without little/bigwigs, ora, grid, etc. |
| 14:26.08 | Grum | how is DeadlyBossmods compared to Bigwigs? |
| 14:27.07 | dodga | mo' bloat |
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| 14:28.16 | Pkekyo | aye, and it has this fugly minimap icon you can't get rid of...the main reason I went BigWigs :P |
| 14:28.25 | Grum | hehe |
| 14:28.35 | Grum | hmm i'm not even sure what i use from DBM atm |
| 14:28.48 | Grum | i think mostly the 'AGGRO' warning =D |
| 14:29.06 | Pkekyo | bigwigs give a more imba aggro warning :> |
| 14:29.08 | [Ammo] | get BanzaiAlert :p |
| 14:29.12 | [Ammo] | Pkekyo: no it doesn't |
| 14:29.15 | [Ammo] | that's not bigwigs |
| 14:29.16 | dodga | Or Omen :D |
| 14:29.22 | [Ammo] | Omen and banzaialert can |
| 14:29.34 | dodga | I wish GridAlert would do that |
| 14:29.39 | Grum | i think Grid also does it |
| 14:29.40 | Pkekyo | it's Omen? oh well...it's imba atleast :> |
| 14:29.46 | Grum | dodga: i think it does |
| 14:29.53 | dodga | But I wish even more that Grid could plug into Avion, when it's finished |
| 14:29.59 | Grum | what is avion? :P |
| 14:30.08 | dodga | so e.g. when somebody needs to be dispelled my screen goes zoing :o |
| 14:30.10 | Diao | power auras |
| 14:30.15 | dodga | Grum: Sirow's port of Power Auras |
| 14:30.15 | Diao | shows an aura graphic around you |
| 14:30.19 | Diao | when you gain some buff |
| 14:30.20 | Diao | or debuff |
| 14:30.31 | ramoz | Bibi: still havnt fixed the rss? =( |
| 14:30.34 | Grum | also for other players? |
| 14:30.38 | dodga | Which actually only shows textures based on events (e.g. buff gain/loss) |
| 14:30.45 | Pkekyo | 'around you'? |
| 14:30.47 | dodga | Grum: Depends on how Sirow does it |
| 14:30.50 | Grum | screenshot? |
| 14:30.54 | Pkekyo | - as in physicly on your char? |
| 14:31.12 | dodga | Grum: No workie yet |
| 14:31.24 | Grum | GridAlert does play the aggro sound |
| 14:31.24 | dodga | Pkekyo: Nah, it can be positioned on your screen |
| 14:31.29 | Grum | that one i reeaaaly need =D |
| 14:31.45 | Tinhay | Avion was put on hold for a while, no? :( |
| 14:32.07 | dodga | Tinhay: Aye |
| 14:32.49 | Grum | i think i cant really do without the 'Aggro' sound :P |
| 14:33.02 | Tinhay | i was really looking forward to it, Avoin and Parrot seem like a match made in heaven |
| 14:33.20 | Pkekyo | an aggro sound wouldn't help me at all....loud music and nutters shouting on ventrilo ftw :> |
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| 14:33.49 | Grum | nah it's distinctive enough |
| 14:33.58 | Grum | and actually the same sound as in Banzai alert |
| 14:34.01 | Pkekyo | need your opinions: is it overkill to have the class name written on unitframes, when the names use class colouring? |
| 14:34.02 | Grum | i'll go install that one :) |
| 14:34.10 | Grum | yes |
| 14:34.21 | Grum | kill redundant information |
| 14:34.30 | Pkekyo | my unitframes seems so empty without it :P |
| 14:34.30 | dodga | Pkekyo: I use Grid, there is no place for class names :P |
| 14:35.03 | Grum | same here |
| 14:35.05 | Grum | grid ftw |
| 14:35.32 | Grum | especially since gridmanabars is fixed ;D |
| 14:35.36 | Tinhay | Pkekyo: I'd just disable the text for a while and see how it goes in PvP - eventually you'll find yourself missing the text, if not just leave it disabled ;) |
| 14:35.54 | Mecdemort | does the tooltip recognize \n? |
| 14:36.01 | dodga | I use PitBull for myself, focus, target and targettarget; and class name is only visible on target frame :P |
| 14:36.21 | dodga | Because I know what class I play, and I could care less for the classes of my focus or targettarget :P |
| 14:36.27 | Pkekyo | my current unitframes: http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5003/unitframescm4.jpg |
| 14:36.44 | Pkekyo | dodga: I don't have a unitframe for myself :> |
| 14:37.01 | dodga | Bleh, you got big ass portraits nobody needs, so who cares if you display the class name .P |
| 14:37.07 | Amadeo | How do you know how much health you have? |
| 14:37.18 | dodga | Amadeo: Extrapolation! :D |
| 14:37.19 | Pkekyo | Hud<3 |
| 14:37.38 | Amadeo | I find that portraits are beneficial to spot stuff like Polymorph |
| 14:37.50 | Amadeo | easier when there's tons of debuffs |
| 14:38.02 | dodga | Yeah I have a big message reading "D I S P E L" in the center of my screen to help me with that :P |
| 14:38.08 | Pkekyo | dodga: party frames got even more empty without portraits :< |
| 14:38.22 | Amadeo | lol |
| 14:38.29 | Amadeo | what if they have other magic effects? |
| 14:38.30 | dodga | Pkekyo: Again, I use Grid, my raid frames are probably the size of one party frame of yours :> |
| 14:38.57 | Pkekyo | I hate the absolute minimalism of Grid....pitbull with perfectraid layout :> |
| 14:38.59 | dodga | Amadeo: I could make GridAlert saying "DISPEL TEH SHEEP FFS" when somebody gains Polymorph :P |
| 14:39.03 | dodga | But meh, what for? |
| 14:39.18 | dodga | I love Grid. Couldn't live without it |
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| 14:39.52 | Amadeo | I found it hard to read the info for each person in Grid |
| 14:40.02 | Amadeo | it's all dark and hazy |
| 14:40.05 | dodga | You need to get used to it |
| 14:40.09 | dodga | And it needs a lot of customization |
| 14:40.17 | dodga | But after a while it's "mucho <3" |
| 14:40.28 | Pkekyo | easier with perfectraid imo :> |
| 14:40.36 | dodga | Hm, whatever suits you :P |
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| 14:41.03 | Hjalte | Is there any addon that can tell me what books i am missing to teach to my warlock pets? At lvl 34 i found out i missed the lvl 26 book seduction for my succubus >.< |
| 14:41.06 | Pkekyo | as I'm a tank and don't have to interact with the rest of the raid for jack shit... :p |
| 14:41.31 | Pkekyo | just have the raidframes to know when we're wiping and it's time to run like a motherfucker ^^ |
| 14:41.40 | dodga | Pkekyo: Then why bother with so much information anyway? Get Grid, make it show the absolutely minimum of information and put it in a corner :P |
| 14:41.59 | dodga | Or: get XRS or RABuffs that tells you how much HP is left in you raid :D |
| 14:43.17 | Pkekyo | I just don't like the touch-n-feel of Grid...used to have XRS...gave it up for some reason I can't remember :> |
| 14:43.52 | dodga | Grid is like Zen, you have to let go of everything unneeded :> |
| 14:44.10 | dodga | I don't even use the 2nd center text indicator :D |
| 14:44.49 | dodga | And I also dislike the mana bars for Grid; because honestly, who gives a rats ass how much mana the mages have? If it's above x% that's enough to know |
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| 14:45.26 | CIA-14 | YssGuildShop: |
| 14:45.26 | CIA-14 | - added check for data to display when opening the GUI |
| 14:45.34 | dodga | It's easier to read a blue border around peoples unit frames than looking at several bars and do heavy thinking how much mana that could be :D |
| 14:45.35 | alext | thats what i like about XRS |
| 14:45.38 | Pkekyo | anyone know how I can get the hp-percentage of the raidframes in pitbull to show as class color? |
| 14:45.42 | alext | just raid averages on health and mana |
| 14:45.45 | alext | mouseover to see specifics |
| 14:45.46 | alext | easy |
| 14:46.20 | alext | if your just using raid frames for wiping, you can still use XRS for that |
| 14:46.25 | alext | I got a line for "raid deaths" |
| 14:46.59 | dodga | I like RABuffs better because it allows you much more freedom in what to show |
| 14:47.38 | Pkekyo | I used to have XRS set up something like this: raid health, x dead, dps mana, healer mana (pre-tbc) |
| 14:47.45 | dodga | E.g. I have bars for raid buffs, blessings, but also how much mana the healers have, how many people are drinking, and so on. I even had a bar that showed how many people had Onyxia Scale Cloak equipped for Nefarian :D |
| 14:48.15 | dodga | It required people to stand around me, but was easier to spot if somebody was not equipping it |
| 14:49.33 | Leachim | Can someone send me his/her registryentry of World of Warcraft? If you know it. I don't know where to get it and I haven't the entry. |
| 14:50.10 | Leachim | of...-.- *from |
| 14:51.22 | Amadeo | Grid has some frame issues going on or something |
| 14:51.38 | Amadeo | I had joined WSG and it made a frame to fit 40 people |
| 14:52.19 | dodga | It does not make those |
| 14:52.28 | dodga | You told it to show it for 40 man raids |
| 14:52.44 | Amadeo | I didn't change any settings |
| 14:52.51 | dodga | That's the problem maybe? :D |
| 14:53.31 | Amadeo | it has no sane defaults? |
| 14:53.48 | dodga | What is not sane with "show the biggest possible number of frames"? |
| 14:54.16 | Amadeo | with 10 people in the raid and a frame extending 4 inches past the amount of people? :P |
| 14:54.39 | dodga | Why do you think it even cares about the number of people in the raid? |
| 14:54.58 | Amadeo | to create the frame, because in the party it doesn't create a huge frame for 2 people |
| 14:55.07 | dodga | There's a setting, that controls how many unit frames are shown. There is no dynamic in there |
| 14:55.13 | Amadeo | It is dynamic |
| 14:55.15 | dodga | You tell it 40 people, it will render it like that |
| 14:55.39 | dodga | Okay, did you even bother to set it up? |
| 14:56.01 | Amadeo | Are we going in a circle? |
| 14:56.33 | dodga | No, I'm asking if you took the time to set it up to your needs, because it looks like you installed it, saw that the defaults did not suit you, and threw it off again as crap |
| 14:57.22 | Amadeo | I got rid of it because you can hardly read what's going on with each person due to the color contrast, and frame creation issues |
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| 14:57.31 | CIA-14 | CooldownTimers2: |
| 14:57.31 | CIA-14 | - independantProfile -> independentProfile (makes Profile options show up in the menu, even with Fubar loaded |
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| 14:57.44 | dodga | Okay, so you did not bother to configure it :D |
| 14:57.55 | dodga | No offense, I'm just asking |
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| 14:58.10 | dodga | Grid is very daunting to set up correctly |
| 14:58.26 | Amadeo | I highly doubt there's an option that says, "Fix frame creation so that there is not too much or too little frame in groups or raids" |
| 14:58.32 | Grum | it does not come with highly usable settings indeed |
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| 14:58.45 | dodga | You did not even bother to look, so what makes you think that? |
| 14:59.00 | dodga | Anyway, I like Grid, I don't need to convert people to it, use whatever you like :P |
| 14:59.01 | Diao | grid is pretty confusing to set up at first if you don't know what to look for |
| 14:59.01 | Grum | well my grid is rather straight forward |
| 14:59.16 | Grum | ah you have to know about indicators but that is about it :0 |
| 14:59.21 | Amadeo | I had 3 people in a group once, and the frame only covered 2 of the people |
| 14:59.32 | Amadeo | I had 10 people in a group once, and the frame covered them plus 4 more inches of the screen |
| 14:59.40 | dodga | You need to take your time to set it up for your needs, and I don't deny it will take time to get used to it |
| 14:59.57 | dodga | But false claims and expectations will get you nowhere with any addon :o |
| 15:00.07 | Diao | once you get used to grid though |
| 15:00.10 | Diao | it's hard to go back |
| 15:00.20 | Grum | there is just 1 thing i hate from Grid - there is no 'dynamic' setting which will 'leave out' empty groups |
| 15:00.43 | Amadeo | Grum: Which would create an overly large frame? |
| 15:00.50 | Grum | so if you have someone in grp 1 and 5 you will have a laaarge frame :) |
| 15:00.55 | Amadeo | Exactly |
| 15:00.59 | dodga | Grum: Because nobody wrote a layout for that |
| 15:01.02 | Amadeo | There you go, dodga |
| 15:01.05 | Grum | yup |
| 15:01.09 | Grum | i'm still planning to do that |
| 15:01.13 | dodga | And honestly, I've set it up to sort by class |
| 15:01.17 | Grum | should be rather trivial |
| 15:01.19 | dodga | So I could care less |
| 15:01.29 | Grum | then it's always really wide :\ |
| 15:01.32 | Amadeo | So there's no setting for it |
| 15:01.34 | Amadeo | As I said |
| 15:01.56 | Grum | oh you can just set it manually |
| 15:02.03 | dodga | Amadeo: If you want to show only 10 people, then choose "By Group 10", ffs |
| 15:02.06 | Grum | yup |
| 15:02.10 | Amadeo | each time? |
| 15:02.14 | dodga | But if you tell it "By Group 40", then of course, it will show all 8 groups |
| 15:02.17 | dodga | What so hard to understand? |
| 15:02.21 | Grum | i'll write a 'group by dynamic' one ;D |
| 15:02.25 | Amadeo | heh |
| 15:02.32 | Grum | seriously that is needed |
| 15:02.49 | Amadeo | and if you have 15 people? :) |
| 15:03.16 | dodga | Grum: I wanted to write a ByZone layout, that switches layouts based on your zone; e.g. when in Arenas I don't want it shown as raid, and in Warsong probably autoswitching to Group 10 or something like that |
| 15:03.27 | dodga | Amadeo: You have some serious attitude issues my friend :P |
| 15:03.27 | Grum | that sucks |
| 15:03.29 | Grum | and it exists |
| 15:03.33 | Grum | 'by instance' i think |
| 15:03.35 | dodga | Grum: It does not :> |
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| 15:03.38 | Grum | it does suck |
| 15:03.38 | dodga | No |
| 15:03.42 | dodga | It does something different |
| 15:03.54 | dodga | It changes your layout depending on the size of an instance |
| 15:04.00 | Grum | the problem is you still want it on 'dynamic' when you are outside of any instance |
| 15:04.01 | dodga | I want to change the layout depending on the zone |
| 15:04.16 | dodga | And even then, I want to choose which layout to be shown in which zone |
| 15:04.16 | Amadeo | dodga: Hey, I'm fine...you wanted to argue a point that didn't exist :) |
| 15:04.44 | Codayus | Grum: Why? Seems pointless... |
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| 15:04.56 | Amadeo | Though I have to admit, I'm confused why it tries to create a dynamic frame in a party but not raid |
| 15:05.00 | Grum | Codayus: because else it will show 40? |
| 15:05.11 | dodga | Amadeo: You're claiming stuff about an excellent addon that is not true, just because you did not take five minutes to look in the configuration, but nevermind, no need to discuss this any further |
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| 15:05.32 | Grum | Amadeo: it has some flaws but that doesnt take away that it is by far the best healing addon ever made |
| 15:05.44 | Grum | and i mean by far :) |
| 15:06.07 | dodga | Grum: I would find it highly useful if I could say: default - by class, arena - only group, battlegrounds - by class |
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| 15:06.32 | Amadeo | Can you change the colors so it's not like purple health on a purple backround? heh |
| 15:06.37 | Grum | make a layout for it :) |
| 15:06.42 | Grum | Amadeo: sure you can |
| 15:06.52 | Grum | you can alter every part of it |
| 15:07.06 | dodga | Grum: As I said. I got it partially here, but I need to get some work done on Drupal, and I also have exams in 2 months I need to prepare for :P |
| 15:07.19 | Grum | yeah sure blame it on school |
| 15:07.43 | dodga | What else :D |
| 15:08.13 | Amadeo | I guess I'm just at a point where I want addons to work without having to reconfigure the entire thing because it has no sane defaults |
| 15:08.19 | dodga | Grum: Until then I do the 3 clicks to change the layout manually and I'm absolutely fine with that :D |
| 15:08.52 | Grum | it works perfectly out of the box |
| 15:09.02 | Grum | and i've seen loads of people use it like that |
| 15:09.02 | Codayus | Amadeo: The default colors for Grid are more than sane. So...no. |
| 15:09.07 | Grum | and even more modifying |
| 15:09.24 | Amadeo | I'm not a fan of stuff like purple health on purple backrounds, so maybe for some :P |
| 15:09.53 | Grum | sigh just adjust it? |
| 15:10.04 | Grum | it's like 6 clicks away |
| 15:10.12 | Codayus | They're class colored; if you're really getting purple health on purple backgrounds, I think *you* broke it? |
| 15:10.36 | Grum | the health-text is class colored as well as the 'health bar' |
| 15:10.38 | Grum | just change it |
| 15:10.45 | Amadeo | He was talking about defaults |
| 15:10.46 | Amadeo | So am I |
| 15:11.00 | Amadeo | So wouldn't a Warlock have purple health on a purple backround? |
| 15:11.26 | dodga | If you want defaults, then use X-Pearl or crap like that. Grid is highly customizable and if you don't want to customize it, fine. But then stop talking about it :P |
| 15:11.31 | Amadeo | with a purple name |
| 15:11.46 | Grum | some people like it like that |
| 15:11.48 | Grum | i didn't |
| 15:11.59 | Codayus | Amadeo: It's both usable and aesthetically pleasing. |
| 15:12.04 | Codayus | :-) |
| 15:12.12 | Grum | http://wowace.com/wiki/Image:Grid-description.png <-- that is the default i think |
| 15:12.12 | Amadeo | As I said, for some it must be |
| 15:12.24 | Amadeo | but I don't know why people here are making these claims that aren't true :P |
| 15:12.30 | Amadeo | it's like extreme fanboyism or something |
| 15:12.37 | Grum | Grid > * period |
| 15:12.40 | Codayus | The only untrue I've seen is from you...so far.... |
| 15:12.57 | Codayus | But I'm not paying a lot of attention. I might have missed one. |
| 15:13.01 | Amadeo | Codayus: You just said I broke something because it shouldn't be purple on purple |
| 15:13.05 | Amadeo | Yet that's how it is |
| 15:13.09 | Grum | next to that - this is still very readable: http://wowace.com/wiki/Image:Grid_Frame_HealthBar_Inverted.png |
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| 15:13.22 | Grum | so l2buybettereyes! |
| 15:13.38 | dodga | No, learn2gointothefuckingoptions, they are there for a reason |
| 15:13.40 | Amadeo | I don't find that second one very readable at all :) |
| 15:13.44 | Codayus | Your implication is that all the health bars were purple. If you'd said they were class colored you'd have been correct, but it would have been clearer that you were making up issues. |
| 15:13.47 | dodga | But anyway, I'm outta this pointless discussion |
| 15:13.51 | Grum | Amadeo: sigh |
| 15:14.04 | Grum | just do: Grid -> Status -> Health -> Color by class |
| 15:14.05 | Amadeo | Codayus: It was an example |
| 15:14.06 | dodga | It would be easier to teach a monkey to fetch a ball than this |
| 15:14.07 | Grum | it is NOT that hard |
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| 15:14.14 | Amadeo | Codayus: I wasn't going to name off every class color :) |
| 15:18.25 | CIA-14 | 03deccard * r46639 10MiniChat/ (. Core.lua MiniChat.toc): |
| 15:18.25 | CIA-14 | MiniChat: |
| 15:18.25 | CIA-14 | - removed option "minimizedLines" |
| 15:18.25 | CIA-14 | - added option "smartMinimize" |
| 15:18.25 | CIA-14 | - using AceHook-2.1 now |
| 15:25.35 | Bruners | ckknight: new discovery on the cowtip/enchtooltip thingie, when hovering something in my arkinventorybank window it does not reset, only when hovering bags |
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| 15:29.39 | CIA-14 | MiniChat: |
| 15:29.39 | CIA-14 | - MiniChat button is now disabled instead of hidden while min-/maximizing animated |
| 15:29.43 | Amadeo | You guys ever set up an addon like Sage? |
| 15:30.02 | Amadeo | You drag some windows to the side, most stick together, maybe click a couple checkboxes, and 10 seconds later you're done :) |
| 15:31.22 | Pkekyo | hmm...methinks I got keylogged |
| 15:31.42 | Amadeo | Why's that? |
| 15:31.51 | pastamancer | The Grid defaults are they way I like them. If you're less than half health, I don't need to see the exact number anyways. |
| 15:32.49 | dodga | Go get 'em pastamancer *RAWR* |
| 15:32.53 | Amadeo | pastamancer: Yeah, that's what I was saying, some people may like it that way :) |
| 15:32.59 | Amadeo | Nobody wanted to accept that, though |
| 15:33.15 | dodga | Just to put some more oil in here |
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| 15:33.19 | CIA-14 | MiniChat: |
| 15:33.19 | CIA-14 | - bugfix regarding button scaling |
| 15:33.31 | dodga | You said the defaults were not sane but at the same time you didn't even bother to set it up |
| 15:34.10 | Amadeo | How does that make sense? |
| 15:34.35 | dodga | For one, defaults may be subject to personal preferences, as pastamancer already lined out |
| 15:34.43 | pastamancer | *I* think the defaults are reasonably sane. |
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| 15:34.55 | Amadeo | Defaults != Configured |
| 15:35.02 | dodga | And even then you could have modified it but did not bother to |
| 15:35.12 | Pkekyo | in theory, a keylogger using an activex jpg bug in IE, I would be safe even though I clicked the link if running Opera..? |
| 15:35.15 | Amadeo | dodga: Yes, I've never argued that |
| 15:35.16 | pastamancer | but I don't guarantee that everyone else agrees with my tastes |
| 15:35.18 | dodga | Amadeo: So because *you* did not like the defaults means it is utter bullshit? |
| 15:35.30 | Amadeo | No, it means *I* didn't want to mess with it |
| 15:35.35 | Amadeo | I don't know where you're getting all this |
| 15:35.42 | Amadeo | When did I ever say the addon sucked? |
| 15:35.48 | Amadeo | I think it's great for those who like it |
| 15:35.58 | dodga | Pkekyo: If the exploit is in some system library Opera uses, then you're screwed :D |
| 15:36.00 | Amadeo | I said I don't like spending tons of time setting up addons anymore |
| 15:36.06 | dodga | Pkekyo: Does Opera even render ActiveX stuff? |
| 15:36.54 | pastamancer | I don't have any screenshots of my Grid setup handy, but the only options I use (aside from adding a bunch of custom auras) are the layout options to anchor the frame so it grows out to the left from the center of my screen |
| 15:36.57 | Pkekyo | not that I know of... |
| 15:37.09 | CIA-14 | 03deccard * r46642 10MiniChat/Core.lua: |
| 15:37.09 | CIA-14 | MiniChat: |
| 15:37.09 | CIA-14 | - optimization for "smartMinimize" |
| 15:37.18 | Amadeo | pastamancer: A larger problem I have is running out of screen space for any addons :P |
| 15:37.26 | Pkekyo | run a couple of searches with Ad-Aware, now shows up as clean... should I still assume my comp is compromized? |
| 15:37.49 | dodga | Pkekyo: If you think you're compomized you probably are |
| 15:37.53 | pastamancer | Amadeo: yeah, my screen is filled with timer bars when I'm raiding |
| 15:38.04 | Amadeo | I need a widescreen LCD or something |
| 15:38.09 | dodga | I don't have problems with my screen estate; mainly thanks to Grid |
| 15:38.11 | Amadeo | this CRT from 1996 isn't cutting it anymore :P |
| 15:38.21 | Amadeo | or maybe it's 94 |
| 15:38.22 | dodga | But bleh, I got a very minimalistic, functional UI |
| 15:38.34 | pastamancer | I can't give up my 21" crt without getting a new video card |
| 15:38.46 | Amadeo | me too :( |
| 15:38.51 | Pkekyo | dodga: then wth to do? - and don't say format, too much trouble |
| 15:38.57 | dodga | Pkekyo: Format? :D |
| 15:39.01 | pastamancer | I was planning to just make incubator/omen/recount all hide/show with a keybinding |
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| 15:39.11 | pastamancer | or even arbitrary frames |
| 15:39.18 | Pkekyo | dodga: I would, but don't have the time, nor the OS to do so |
| 15:39.21 | dodga | Pkekyo: You "could" try different anti virus and scanning tools |
| 15:39.27 | pastamancer | I don't need to see all that all the time |
| 15:39.36 | dodga | Pkekyo: We use Avira and SpyBot where I do first level support |
| 15:39.42 | pastamancer | I keep grid right in the center of my screen though |
| 15:39.47 | dodga | pastamancer: You might want to check out Dash |
| 15:40.02 | dodga | pastamancer: Just add those addons to the Dash and voila, your done :> |
| 15:40.05 | Pkekyo | Dash is fucking awesome |
| 15:40.09 | QuantumDelta | I wont give up my 22" crt even WITH a new graphics card pastamancer |
| 15:40.09 | QuantumDelta | :P |
| 15:40.09 | dodga | Though it had some issues last time I tested it |
| 15:40.31 | dodga | And I wonder if the frames on the dash are actually hidden (and don't spend CPU time) |
| 15:40.35 | pastamancer | where might I find this 'Dash'? |
| 15:40.38 | dodga | pastamancer: wowi |
| 15:40.48 | dodga | pastamancer: You know MacOS X's dashboard? |
| 15:41.01 | pastamancer | I'm using osx right now :p |
| 15:41.13 | dodga | Then you'll grasp the concept fairly quickly :> |
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| 15:41.35 | Pkekyo | dodga: SpyBot S&D worth going for youthink? |
| 15:41.44 | pastamancer | oh, I see. quite clever |
| 15:41.55 | sb | ah who needs dash, get 2nd display :p |
| 15:41.59 | pastamancer | I'm assuming it reparents anything you tell it to grab |
| 15:42.01 | Pkekyo | heard alot of stories 'bout it fucking up OS etc |
| 15:42.04 | pastamancer | nice |
| 15:42.04 | dodga | Pkekyo: We use that over here, so better than doing nothing :D |
| 15:42.19 | sb | pastamancer: get another 21" crt ;p |
| 15:42.21 | sb | for addons ;) |
| 15:42.32 | pastamancer | haha, I'd have to get a new desk :p |
| 15:42.33 | dodga | Pkekyo: It has some backup capability so if anything goes fubar you could restore stuff, but I've never used that |
| 15:42.33 | CIA-14 | 03deccard * r46643 10MiniChat/: |
| 15:42.33 | CIA-14 | MiniChat: |
| 15:42.33 | CIA-14 | - did a mistake with AceHook-2.1 dependency |
| 15:42.44 | *** join/#wowace Yssaril (n=chatzill@adsl-76-224-122-140.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 15:42.59 | Pkekyo | running a deep system scan with ad-aware atm..would this interfere with SB in any way? |
| 15:43.11 | sb | with me? |
| 15:43.11 | sb | yes! |
| 15:43.18 | Pkekyo | lmao |
| 15:43.19 | dodga | Pkekyo: You should run them one after each other due to file locking issues |
| 15:43.32 | dodga | Also don't type in any passwords until you're sure you're not keylogged |
| 15:43.50 | dodga | And prepare to change all passwords :> |
| 15:43.57 | sb | pastamancer: ($randomScreenshot from dual screen threat on worldofwarcraft.com) http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e395/freekshow02/1.jpg - wtb :p |
| 15:44.06 | Pkekyo | I never type passwords nowadays, except for when logging into wow |
| 15:44.24 | dodga | sb: That UI is messed up |
| 15:44.34 | sb | i dont care, but its dual screen stuff :p |
| 15:44.34 | dodga | Pkekyo: So they are all stored? That's even worse :D |
| 15:44.53 | dodga | sb: Yeah but there is so much stuff nobody needs in a combat situation. Useless fluff if you ask me :P |
| 15:45.06 | Pkekyo | cba to do anything but use opera's wand... |
| 15:45.38 | sb | dodga: but if you already have 2 screens - why not use them for wow? :p |
| 15:45.49 | Pkekyo | my wow account is the only valuable thing I have a password for anyways :> |
| 15:45.53 | dodga | sb: Use one for WoW and one for.. porn! |
| 15:45.57 | sb | oh hm |
| 15:46.23 | dodga | Got you thinking there :o |
| 15:46.24 | sb | but is it really that good in "combat situation"? :/ |
| 15:46.32 | dodga | Absolutely! |
| 15:46.45 | dodga | "Why did the MT die!" - "There were boobies!" - "Oh. Okay then." |
| 15:47.01 | |Stan| | lol! |
| 15:47.03 | Zicon | Mmm, boobies. |
| 15:47.08 | dodga | And then like the whole raid goes "Yay boobies!" |
| 15:47.11 | deltron | lol |
| 15:47.16 | Amadeo | Blizzard needs to revamp the old world and quests to yield better gear progression for new players |
| 15:47.21 | dodga | And it rains candy for everybody! |
| 15:47.25 | dodga | Oh the jolly :D |
| 15:47.27 | sb | oh hm... yes, and what about the girls? |
| 15:47.34 | dodga | sb: Screw them ;p |
| 15:47.44 | dodga | Man, how ambigious :D |
| 15:47.52 | sb | *sigh* :p |
| 15:47.52 | Zicon | We like boobies too! |
| 15:48.00 | dodga | AHA! |
| 15:48.06 | Pkekyo | anyone know what the wow default bound action for the F button is? |
| 15:48.16 | Zicon | Assist. |
| 15:48.17 | sb | assist |
| 15:48.18 | deltron | assist |
| 15:48.26 | dodga | I've got a natural talent to reveal female players. |
| 15:48.31 | dodga | Got get 'er! |
| 15:48.36 | Pkekyo | as if I ever use assist...that fucker's going on Execute asap |
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| 15:49.08 | Zicon | Yes, come get me! *gets out hunting fork and grins maniacally* |
| 15:49.10 | Amadeo | that's what my Execute is set to :) |
| 15:49.24 | *** join/#wowace Fisker- (i=ballmer@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 15:49.26 | Pkekyo | dodga: know what a TNS-search is? |
| 15:49.34 | dodga | Nope, let's ask Google |
| 15:49.48 | sb | hmm yes - if you are able to use execute on some target you wont need assist anymore, true ;p |
| 15:50.01 | Pkekyo | google won't talk to me :< |
| 15:50.19 | Pkekyo | tbh, I've NEVER used a hotkey for assist |
| 15:50.40 | dodga | Pkekyo: TNS is probably some kind of backdoor |
| 15:50.58 | sb | hm no its not |
| 15:51.01 | Pkekyo | ah |
| 15:51.15 | sb | oh hm |
| 15:51.32 | Pkekyo | if SBS&D comes out clean I could assume I'm clear, correct? |
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| 15:51.51 | sb | Pkekyo: http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/TNS-Search-others-HiJack-Log-enclosed-t50383.html |
| 15:52.20 | dodga | Pkekyo: It could also mean "I did not find anything, but I don't about all virii either" :D |
| 15:53.04 | sb | and you should run S&D in safe mode |
| 15:53.08 | dodga | There's a "know" missing somewhere in that sentence |
| 15:53.08 | Pkekyo | well, if no programs find anything, I'm using opera, the keylogger used a IE security hole, I'm not gonna give a shit anymore |
| 15:53.16 | Amadeo | That's the problem with trojan/spyware, no apps will really ensure that you're perfectly clean, because there's just stuff they can't find |
| 15:53.22 | Pkekyo | sb: safe mode? |
| 15:53.37 | dodga | Pkekyo: Yeah but be careful while surfing porn sites now, mkay? :D |
| 15:53.48 | dodga | Pkekyo: Windows safe mode |
| 15:53.59 | Pkekyo | as if I'll ever turn off my computer :> |
| 15:54.11 | dodga | I turn it off everyday :D |
| 15:54.19 | Pkekyo | it've been powered up since sometime in february when I upgraded some hardware |
| 15:55.42 | Bruners | no reason to turn off your computer unless you cant pay your electricity bill |
| 15:55.52 | Amadeo | Or you want your hard drives to last |
| 15:56.07 | dodga | Why should I keep my desktop wincrap machine running when my Linux server leeches all the porn I need while I sleep? |
| 15:56.14 | Pkekyo | rofl |
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| 15:56.43 | Pkekyo | hmm, only problems SB can find is windows security settings I've screwed around with |
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| 15:57.02 | Amadeo | just uncheck them when you clean something |
| 15:57.15 | dodga | Also, at my age I prefer sleeping without the noise of that vacuum cleaner :P |
| 15:57.36 | Pkekyo | Windows Security Senter <--- wtf is this, and do I need it for anything? |
| 15:57.46 | Amadeo | you don't need it |
| 15:57.58 | Amadeo | it tells you if you have your firewall on, antivirus installed, and something else |
| 15:58.08 | Pkekyo | dodga: the sound of my music is far louder than my fans when I sleep anyways, so I don't mind :> |
| 15:58.16 | Bruners | Amadeo: my old pentium 100 harddrive still runs smoothly, and has been on for 70% of its lifetime |
| 15:58.23 | dodga | You hear Metallica when you got to sleep? :D |
| 15:58.35 | Pkekyo | nah, I'm more into Ska and Punk |
| 15:58.47 | dodga | So you hear No Doubt while sleeping? :D |
| 15:58.51 | Pkekyo | nah |
| 15:59.09 | dodga | But you do listen to music while counting sheep? |
| 15:59.11 | Pkekyo | CKY, Rise Against, Catch 22, Reel Big Fish, Blink 182 and such |
| 15:59.38 | Pkekyo | tbh, I've never even attempted to count sheep...except from when working on a farm... |
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| 16:00.47 | Pkekyo | and yes, there's always music coming out of my computer's speaker system :> |
| 16:01.16 | Amadeo | Bruners: I've just seen quite a lot of people have hard drive failures of some sort...I've never had one before |
| 16:01.26 | dodga | Pkekyo: You must have some very deep sleep then :D |
| 16:01.55 | Amadeo | I'm sure it happens anyways, but I bet that letting your PC run 24/7 attributes to it |
| 16:02.04 | Pkekyo | well...not really, I wake up if anyone even walks outside my door :> for some reason music's just really relaxing for me :> |
| 16:02.25 | sb | Pkekyo: same here |
| 16:02.36 | sb | wake up from ~everything, but need music to sleep ;o |
| 16:02.38 | Amadeo | death metal? |
| 16:02.58 | Pkekyo | my ex was into death metal and such...got good sleep at her place as well |
| 16:03.07 | sb | ;o |
| 16:03.19 | Amadeo | lol |
| 16:03.33 | [dRaCo] | why'd you dump her? girls with a good taste in music are rare :þ |
| 16:03.56 | Amadeo | That's why he dumped her |
| 16:03.56 | Pkekyo | 1 - she's a cunt, 2 - I'm not a big metal fan ;> |
| 16:04.16 | dodga | Pkekyo: Got her number? :D |
| 16:04.31 | Pkekyo | nah...I forgot it some time during this summer |
| 16:04.41 | dodga | Damn :\ |
| 16:04.49 | Pkekyo | damn you for reminding me of it...I HATE forgetting phone numbers |
| 16:04.56 | dodga | "So I hear you like metal and are a cunt? Exactly what I was looking for in a girl!" |
| 16:05.01 | [dRaCo] | lol |
| 16:05.02 | Pkekyo | ahahaha |
| 16:05.05 | dodga | Pkekyo: My pleasure. |
| 16:05.34 | Pkekyo | hahah, now I remembered why I knew her number by heart...it uses the default Counter-Strike server port :P |
| 16:05.51 | dodga | That's sick dude |
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| 16:06.08 | Pkekyo | I was nolifing counter-strike for 5 years ;> |
| 16:06.12 | durcyn | yeah, that's reason enough to keep yer. |
| 16:06.15 | durcyn | her, rather |
| 16:06.17 | [dRaCo] | amadeo: quiet. metal's great *starts a war on personal preferences* |
| 16:06.36 | Amadeo | I like some metal, for sure |
| 16:06.39 | Pkekyo | [dRaCo]: incorrect! *SOME* metal is great |
| 16:06.48 | Pkekyo | some other metal is pure and utter shit |
| 16:06.51 | [dRaCo] | yay, my plan totally works. |
| 16:06.56 | Pkekyo | ^^ |
| 16:06.57 | Amadeo | Death Metal makes me think of screaming, and screaming sucks |
| 16:07.08 | dodga | Growl Karaoke! |
| 16:07.37 | [dRaCo] | but yes, gotta agree. quite a few metal bands forget to add some melody to their songs. |
| 16:07.49 | Pkekyo | " *scream* Satan's my master, satan rulz, I'm gonna kill you all" <--- that's shit |
| 16:07.49 | Pkekyo | other metal tend to be fucking awesome :> |
| 16:08.19 | Pkekyo | tbh, one of my favourite metal bands is Pain for Pleasure...anyone heard'em? |
| 16:08.33 | [dRaCo] | *checks his hdd* nope. |
| 16:09.42 | Pkekyo | it's Sum 41 playing metal, with their Drummer singing ^^ |
| 16:10.04 | Pkekyo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw9cngtzeOI |
| 16:10.47 | Pkekyo | and holy shit, their guitarist (the dark skinned one in that vid) is a fucking awesome metal guitarist |
| 16:11.07 | [dRaCo] | that song's on the sum 41's All Killer, No Filler |
| 16:11.25 | Pkekyo | aye |
| 16:12.32 | Amadeo | Sum 41? Metal? |
| 16:12.52 | *** join/#wowace ccKep (n=Keeper@84.133.75.249) |
| 16:12.57 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46644 10GratuityLib/Gratuity-2.0/Gratuity-2.0.lua: GratuityLib: make sure Llines[i]/Rlines[i] is not nil before call Llines[i]/Rlines[i]:GetText() |
| 16:13.00 | Pkekyo | ^^ |
| 16:13.03 | ccKep | woshh |
| 16:13.05 | Pkekyo | watch the vid |
| 16:13.10 | Pkekyo | hai CC-workk |
| 16:13.11 | JoshBorke | hi |
| 16:13.13 | Pkekyo | ccKep: ** |
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| 16:13.27 | Pkekyo | too many cc's in here |
| 16:13.31 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 16:13.43 | ccKep | anyone else here using prat? |
| 16:13.48 | Pkekyo | <--- |
| 16:13.52 | Amadeo | It sounds like video game music |
| 16:13.59 | Pkekyo | pretty much everyone, I'd guess |
| 16:14.11 | ccKep | just installed it yesterday... seems to be it uses HUGE amounts of memory? |
| 16:14.37 | Pkekyo | not high on my memory usage list atleast |
| 16:14.40 | ccKep | no chitchat = memory increasing rate of 0.1kb/s, chitchat = up to 5kb/s increasing rate |
| 16:15.17 | Pkekyo | it's 11th on my memory usage list iirc |
| 16:15.21 | ccKep | it doesn't push it's on memory usage though, it seems to push "Ace2" 's |
| 16:15.48 | Pkekyo | alot of addons seem to do that tb |
| 16:15.49 | Pkekyo | h |
| 16:15.51 | ccKep | before installing prat, my Ace2 showed up at like 2.5mb usage, and rarely over +100kb during garbage collects |
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| 16:16.04 | ccKep | no it shows up at like 4mb, and grows to 8mb |
| 16:16.19 | Pkekyo | 4.37MiB on garbage collect here |
| 16:16.39 | Pkekyo | doesn't seem to grow further than 4.5 thuogh |
| 16:16.42 | Pkekyo | though* |
| 16:16.46 | Pkekyo | I need to fucking l2type |
| 16:17.17 | dodga | ccKep: If it increases Ace2's memory you're running embedded? |
| 16:17.23 | CIA-14 | 03poull * r46645 10NoWeapons/ (. NoWeapons.lua NoWeapons.toc): NoWeapons: Reminds you if no weapons equipped when engaging combat. |
| 16:17.38 | dodga | Anyway, probably depends on the modules you use for Prat |
| 16:17.43 | Amadeo | That's why I've never used Prat |
| 16:17.55 | Mudkips | I've been getting weird url copys from the prat module |
| 16:17.59 | Pkekyo | anyone here familiar with Dash? |
| 16:18.07 | Pkekyo | Mudkips: like what? |
| 16:18.11 | Mudkips | seems like random words are being put in clickable form for the url copy |
| 16:18.23 | Mudkips | and it always has a [...word...] |
| 16:18.28 | dodga | I seldomly break 40mb used memory |
| 16:18.32 | ccKep | dodga: nope |
| 16:18.40 | ccKep | I wouldn't ask then ;) |
| 16:18.48 | Pkekyo | Mudkips: it happens to me when I type "word...word" but not if I type "word... word" |
| 16:18.49 | dodga | And with 2 gb ram, wtf cares about memory? |
| 16:19.13 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 16:19.22 | Mudkips | its weird because the periods seem to come out of nowhere |
| 16:19.23 | Pkekyo | ccKep: how much you got then? |
| 16:19.30 | Amadeo | With Windows using 1GB+, WoW using 500MB+, you don't have 2GB left anymore :P |
| 16:19.30 | Mudkips | like they aren't in context at all |
| 16:19.31 | ccKep | but I dont care of memory too, I just want to check if there might be some leak |
| 16:19.52 | ccKep | 1 gig, still enough for just playing WoW |
| 16:20.17 | sylvanaar | its a gc'd language, why should you not use memory? |
| 16:20.17 | Kyahx | No its not :P |
| 16:20.17 | Kyahx | 1gb vs even 1.5gb was a huge difference in WoW for my roomate |
| 16:20.18 | Mudkips | 1gb ram messenger/winamp/firefox/irc/ven |
| 16:20.20 | Mudkips | vent* |
| 16:20.26 | Mudkips | and WoW |
| 16:20.38 | ccKep | sylvanaar: because some of that stuff doesn't seem to get gc'ed methinks |
| 16:20.46 | sylvanaar | ccKep uh uh |
| 16:20.48 | Pkekyo | Opera > firefox+irc :p |
| 16:20.49 | cncfanatics | 1gb ran here, WoW, meld, 3 consoles firefox, 3 explorers,and vim |
| 16:20.54 | ccKep | lemme check something |
| 16:21.05 | cncfanatics | s/3 consoles/3 consoles,/ |
| 16:21.12 | Amadeo | cncfanatics: That must be horrible :P |
| 16:21.27 | JoshBorke | cncfanatics: masochist |
| 16:21.29 | cncfanatics | Amadeo, no lag at all |
| 16:21.33 | sylvanaar | ccKep you can turn off playernames 'keep info' - and prat does not accumulate anything |
| 16:21.38 | cncfanatics | linux ftw tbh |
| 16:21.42 | cncfanatics | lets see the usage |
| 16:21.53 | Kyahx | Yea, 1gb of ram is fine on my laptop =X |
| 16:21.56 | sylvanaar | i run 2xWow usually |
| 16:22.04 | Kyahx | Nice to have an OS that dosen't take up half of my system |
| 16:22.17 | cncfanatics | agree |
| 16:22.22 | Amadeo | I lost too much framerate running WoW in Linux |
| 16:22.24 | ccKep | sylvanaar: where? |
| 16:22.32 | ccKep | guess that could be it |
| 16:22.34 | cncfanatics | Amadeo, I lost about 2fps with the profer config |
| 16:22.40 | Amadeo | I lost about 25 |
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| 16:22.42 | Kyahx | Then you did something wrong |
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| 16:22.54 | Amadeo | No, we went over this before |
| 16:22.57 | Amadeo | That's just how it was |
| 16:23.10 | cncfanatics | maybe it was fixed in the latest wine ? |
| 16:23.16 | Kyahx | Used OpenGL and applied the wine-registry-tweak? |
| 16:23.17 | Amadeo | I tried every possible thing to improve it |
| 16:23.19 | Amadeo | Yep |
| 16:23.25 | ccKep | got it |
| 16:23.34 | Kyahx | Are you comparing to windows-full-screen or windows-windowed mode |
| 16:23.38 | Amadeo | full screen |
| 16:23.50 | Amadeo | windowed loses framerate |
| 16:23.58 | Kyahx | Well that will always be faster, because wine is the equivilent of windowed-mode |
| 16:24.07 | Amadeo | ahh |
| 16:24.09 | Kyahx | If you want true full-screen, you need to spawn a separate x-server |
| 16:24.11 | Amadeo | well that's at least 10 fps right there |
| 16:24.19 | Amadeo | I tried that also, Kyahx |
| 16:24.20 | Amadeo | no change |
| 16:24.30 | Amadeo | I also tried Cedega |
| 16:24.38 | Kyahx | Nvidia gpu? |
| 16:24.39 | Amadeo | I think I gained like 4-5 fps in Cedega, if anything |
| 16:24.42 | Amadeo | Yes, 6600GT |
| 16:24.44 | Kyahx | odd |
| 16:24.49 | Speeddymon_ | WTB svn admin |
| 16:25.00 | Kyahx | I (used) to have a 6800 and I didn't notice a change at all |
| 16:25.00 | Amadeo | I spent tons of time on it, because I really wanted it to work better |
| 16:25.09 | Amadeo | I just think it's an OpenGL thing, honestly |
| 16:25.12 | Kyahx | and spawning a separate x-server made a huge difference, but I was just too lazy to do it that way |
| 16:25.20 | Pkekyo | how many fps does people here normally run at? |
| 16:25.31 | Amadeo | If I run WoW in OpenGL in Windows, it runs like shit |
| 16:25.32 | nevcairiel | man those chinese people .. even want to translate the stupid keybinding shortcuts .. the key names ffs |
| 16:25.48 | Kyahx | Amadeo: It might just be your card |
| 16:25.56 | Amadeo | It's very possible |
| 16:26.04 | Kyahx | since the 6600 was the midrange 6xxx |
| 16:26.11 | Amadeo | Then again, I need someone to show me some real numbers comparing Windows vs Linux on the same machine |
| 16:26.20 | Amadeo | because there's too much word of mouth :P |
| 16:26.25 | Speeddymon_ | again... wtb svn admin |
| 16:26.46 | Kyahx | Amadeo: if you remind me later tonight I could try, I have a fresh install of vista and ubuntu on my machine at home :) |
| 16:26.52 | Kyahx | and a nice new 7600 to test! hehe |
| 16:27.02 | Amadeo | Kyahx: damn, I wanted to see XP, but that might be interesting :) |
| 16:27.15 | Kyahx | Well, a second 7600 :P SLI -- they're too cheap now |
| 16:27.24 | Amadeo | I've also wanted to see OSX vs Windows for WoW framerate |
| 16:27.30 | Pkekyo | damnit, AtlasLoot keeps bugging, won't show items >.< |
| 16:28.14 | |Stan| | Pkekyo: check if you have all modules installed....WAU is removing them all the time for me |
| 16:28.58 | Pkekyo | damnit |
| 16:29.05 | Pkekyo | why the fuck does wau remove the modules? |
| 16:29.17 | Speeddymon_ | cause daviesh couldnt code the file list properly |
| 16:29.21 | Speeddymon_ | and cause of a bug in wau |
| 16:29.27 | |Stan| | yup |
| 16:29.33 | Kyahx | Amadeo: just use it as an excuse to buy yourself a new GPU :) |
| 16:29.34 | Speeddymon_ | i dont have that problem since i used the web install |
| 16:29.57 | Amadeo | Kyahx: I'm trying to hold out a while before I just build a new PC |
| 16:29.58 | Speeddymon_ | of wau that is |
| 16:30.40 | Kyahx | *shrug* I'm just half-building as I go...replace GPUs....then replace the mobo/cpu in a few months... |
| 16:31.17 | Pkekyo | <-- upgrades hardware approx once every five years |
| 16:31.37 | Amadeo | I'm hoping to wait until sometime next year to upgrade |
| 16:31.44 | Amadeo | assuming Warhammer runs ok :P |
| 16:32.13 | Kyahx | that's so far away! :) |
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| 16:32.27 | Amadeo | I'm not in any rush to do it though, I have nothing special to run |
| 16:33.26 | Pkekyo | aye, it's rare you actually *need* to upgrade your hardware |
| 16:33.33 | evl | Is there a way to get whispers to sound differently than the logon sounds? |
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| 16:35.57 | Pkekyo | blizz really needs to make some new pvp set graphichs (non-arena) |
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| 16:36.30 | Bruners | Pkekyo: that includes arena |
| 16:36.39 | Amadeo | no! |
| 16:36.43 | Amadeo | they need to revamp the whole old world |
| 16:36.51 | Amadeo | better gear progession is desperately needed |
| 16:37.13 | Amadeo | right now the game is geared towards old players who can twink themselves or know exactly where to go as they level up |
| 16:37.20 | Amadeo | it doesn't cater to anyone new at all |
| 16:37.44 | Pkekyo | true |
| 16:37.53 | Pkekyo | but seriously, the high warlord set is FUGLY |
| 16:37.56 | Amadeo | the BGs run rampant with twinks, so new players can't even enjoy those aspects of the game |
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| 16:38.18 | Amadeo | I've been playing for a long time, but if I start up on a new server, it sucks |
| 16:38.49 | Pkekyo | only thing I start on other servers for is fun...like getting all flightpaths in azeroth/eastern kingdoms at lvl 1 :> |
| 16:39.00 | Amadeo | haha |
| 16:39.00 | Pkekyo | well, not lvl 1...too much exploration xp...but still |
| 16:39.35 | Amadeo | The Blood Elf area had a little bit of gear progession going for it |
| 16:39.43 | Amadeo | not enough though, but you ended up with some blue items by the time you left |
| 16:39.49 | Amadeo | without having to enter an instance |
| 16:40.02 | Pkekyo | aye |
| 16:40.51 | Amadeo | I think it's a good way for them to implement more class quests, especially for those who have none, or hardly any |
| 16:40.54 | Pkekyo | although I said sod it when I leveled my mage and rerolled durotar instead :> |
| 16:40.57 | Amadeo | just give them some decent gear |
| 16:41.04 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 16:41.27 | Pkekyo | on my mage I leveled the last four levels by getting SM boosts ^^ |
| 16:41.33 | Pkekyo | gives alot of great gear :> |
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| 16:44.08 | Amadeo | at what level? |
| 16:44.35 | Pkekyo | 31 to 35 |
| 16:44.43 | CIA-14 | 03sylvanaar * r46646 10Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: Pass ... through our setitemref hook |
| 16:44.53 | Kody- | I'd love to see pvp sets at lower levels |
| 16:45.12 | Amadeo | I have a level 32 Hunter..if I hadn't bought crappy greens of the AH, I would have level 18-ish items still |
| 16:45.13 | Pkekyo | could get interesting, aye |
| 16:45.18 | Amadeo | there has been no progression at all |
| 16:45.31 | Pkekyo | my mage still has lowlevel crap items |
| 16:45.42 | Pkekyo | slowly getting upgrades from SM though |
| 16:46.24 | sylvanaar | i have yet to see a log from anyone re: the wau bug you guys are talking about |
| 16:48.09 | Pkekyo | anyone know if Capping has a parent frame? |
| 16:50.12 | Pkekyo | gotta love Berserking + Death Wish :> |
| 16:51.17 | Grum | WTS Babies |
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| 16:52.12 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r46647 10FlexBar2/Core.lua: |
| 16:52.12 | CIA-14 | FlexBar2: |
| 16:52.12 | CIA-14 | Core.lua: |
| 16:52.12 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.20 | Fisker- | construct additional items or else |
| 16:52.49 | Grum | what is the way to add a 'spacer' in your menu? |
| 16:53.47 | Speeddymon_ | can anyone recommend a good replacement for titan stancesets? |
| 16:54.02 | Speeddymon_ | i switched to fubar and cant find anything for it that does what stancesets does |
| 16:54.08 | Pkekyo | it changes gear for certain stances? |
| 16:54.16 | Speeddymon_ | changes weapons only.. but yes |
| 16:54.26 | Speeddymon_ | i already use wardrobe, but it doesnt cover stances |
| 16:54.29 | Pkekyo | think you can get closetgnome to do it |
| 16:55.07 | Speeddymon_ | k ill look into it, thx |
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| 16:55.49 | Pkekyo | not sure, but I think I've seen the option there |
| 16:56.16 | Pkekyo | you could always save a 2nd set identical to your current, but with other weaponry, then save it to the keybinding you use to change stances |
| 16:57.44 | Speeddymon_ | I dont use a keybinding to chance stances...... |
| 16:57.45 | Speeddymon_ | heh |
| 16:57.54 | Mudkips | clicker? |
| 16:57.56 | Pkekyo | IE, take your pvp set, make a copy of it and safe as "Def Stance", but replace your 2h with sword'n board for spell reflect, and save it with keybinding ie F2 for def stance |
| 16:58.00 | Pkekyo | clicker? die :p |
| 16:58.03 | Mudkips | madness |
| 16:58.09 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 16:58.13 | Nandini | i still haven't been able to get used to closetgnome |
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| 16:58.23 | Mudkips | Im never leaving itemrack |
| 16:58.28 | Mudkips | too used to it |
| 16:58.37 | Speeddymon_ | can itemrack do stances without requiring a keybinding? |
| 16:58.40 | Nandini | so i stick with either itemrack on my warrior and rogue or outfitteron my druid |
| 16:59.01 | Nandini | even tho outfitter is getting outdated |
| 16:59.21 | Pkekyo | Speeddymon_: not saying closetgnome requires a keybinding, just saying what you could do if it does not support stances (which I think it does) |
| 16:59.33 | Speeddymon_ | oh.. ok |
| 16:59.53 | Speeddymon_ | it would be nice if addon authors would recreate their damn wiki pages since the accidental wipe |
| 16:59.54 | Amadeo | I get a WoW crash sometimes when tabbing in and out of the game, says to check my AGP aperature...anyone know why there would be a problem with it? |
| 17:00.11 | Mudkips | uhh windowed maximized |
| 17:00.15 | Mudkips | problem solved |
| 17:00.15 | Speeddymon_ | Amadeo: your bios could be using too low of an aperture |
| 17:00.46 | Pkekyo | [2007/08/15 19:00:31-169-x31]: PitBull_CombatFader\CombatFader.lua:121: attempt to perform arithmetic on field 'cfstop' (a nil value) |
| 17:00.46 | Pkekyo | wtf? :P |
| 17:00.48 | Amadeo | I run full screen |
| 17:00.51 | Xuerian | windowedmaximized is a good thing anyway |
| 17:00.58 | Speeddymon_ | reboot, and hit del to get into the bios, find the agp aperture option and set it as high as possible.. |
| 17:01.13 | Amadeo | My aperature was at 128MB, now I have it at 256MB and it's the same thing |
| 17:01.13 | Nandini | i used to get that at times too speeddy, hasn't happened in the last week or so tho |
| 17:01.18 | Amadeo | goes no higher than that |
| 17:01.26 | Speeddymon_ | hmm.. |
| 17:01.38 | Speeddymon_ | check for a bios update from the motherboard manufacturer then |
| 17:01.42 | Nandini | usually it happened when i only had an IE window open, and was switching from IE back to WoW |
| 17:01.44 | Speeddymon_ | must be a bug in the bios |
| 17:02.14 | Amadeo | I dunno, I didn't use to have this problem |
| 17:02.18 | Amadeo | same computer, hehe |
| 17:02.37 | Speeddymon_ | hmm iono, check wow forums then |
| 17:02.39 | Amadeo | I notice that sometimes when I tab back in, the game framerate is at like 10 fps, if I tab out and in again, sometimes it fixes it |
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| 17:02.49 | Speeddymon_ | maybe something in the latest patch then |
| 17:02.54 | Speeddymon_ | kael! |
| 17:02.59 | Nandini | WoW automatically restricts framerate when it's minimized |
| 17:03.17 | Grum | what's the best way to get a sorted list of keys of a table? |
| 17:03.17 | Amadeo | Nandini: Is this a new thing? |
| 17:03.22 | Bruners | !a r1500 |
| 17:03.24 | kenlyric | not that new. |
| 17:03.32 | Nandini | or perhaps it restricts its cpu usage, in any case, it wants to keep your other apps responsive when you're not using WoW |
| 17:03.36 | Bruners | what was the arena point command again ? |
| 17:03.36 | kenlyric | it lowers cpu usage. |
| 17:03.41 | Kaelten | ack |
| 17:03.58 | Speeddymon_ | Kaelten: files.wowace.com is broken |
| 17:03.59 | kenlyric | but not when you alt-tab, I don't think. |
| 17:04.03 | kenlyric | Just when you minimize. |
| 17:04.04 | Amadeo | Hm |
| 17:04.08 | Amadeo | All I do is tab |
| 17:04.15 | Nandini | yeah if you run windowed and alt-tab, it doesn't do that |
| 17:04.18 | Amadeo | how new is it, though? I had quit WoW for a few months |
| 17:04.24 | Amadeo | I run full screen |
| 17:04.31 | Mudkips | windowed maximized is like fullscreen |
| 17:04.31 | Amadeo | not windowed |
| 17:04.33 | Mudkips | its the same thing |
| 17:04.42 | Mudkips | except you don't get tabbed out |
| 17:04.46 | Amadeo | it looks the same, but I lose some framerate if I do that |
| 17:05.04 | Mudkips | I dunno |
| 17:05.10 | Mudkips | I like to tab to see vent |
| 17:05.12 | Nandini | full screen and windowed+maximized is not the same thing as far as d3d is concenred |
| 17:05.19 | Speeddymon_ | Kaelten: it dont look like it is, but I've committed 4 changes to CDT2 since about this time yesterday and it is still showing the most recent change as being several days ago |
| 17:05.23 | Mudkips | and not wait for WoW to recover from the minimize |
| 17:05.34 | Mudkips | which takes longer for me so the loss of framerates are okay |
| 17:05.49 | Mudkips | Nandini, it's the same look |
| 17:05.59 | Speeddymon_ | while other addons' updates are showing up in the normal time.. |
| 17:06.03 | Mudkips | technically you're right |
| 17:06.38 | Speeddymon_ | Amadeo: you sure u lose framerate? i gain framerate when i run windowed maximized |
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| 17:06.59 | Amadeo | Speeddymon_: Yeah, positive, hehe...maybe you're using different resolutions? |
| 17:07.11 | Speeddymon_ | lemme check.. |
| 17:07.19 | Nandini | i run faster at full-screen at desktop resolution than i do windowed+maximized too |
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| 17:07.31 | Nandini | by about 12 fps |
| 17:07.41 | Speeddymon_ | 1152x864 in windows itself, and 1024x768 in wow.. |
| 17:07.54 | Codayus | I definetly lose framerate running windowed + fullscreen vs non-windowed. It's well worth it though. |
| 17:07.59 | Mudkips | 1024x768 wow |
| 17:08.03 | Amadeo | I can't afford to lose framerate :( |
| 17:08.09 | Mudkips | just wow |
| 17:08.14 | Nandini | i run 2560x1024 for desktop and wow |
| 17:08.17 | Amadeo | in the old lands I'm fine, but in Outlands I'm already too low |
| 17:08.26 | Kaelten | Speeddymon_: http://files.wowace.com/ERRORS.txt |
| 17:08.30 | Kaelten | thats the run log |
| 17:08.37 | Amadeo | Nandini: That's a strange resolution |
| 17:08.49 | Kaelten | looks like there was something weird going on with that file, I removed the local version hopefully the next run will get it |
| 17:08.49 | Nandini | yeah i have one desktop spanning 2 monitors |
| 17:09.10 | Amadeo | I see! |
| 17:09.20 | Nandini | within wow i usually restrict my 3d viewport to one monitor |
| 17:09.30 | Nandini | and put all the non-essential UI bits on the other one |
| 17:09.42 | Fisker- | I WANT BIOSHOCK AAAAARGH |
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| 17:10.08 | Nandini | strangely, cutting the 3d viewport in half doesn't double my fps |
| 17:10.12 | poull | How often is files.wowace.com updated? :) |
| 17:10.13 | Nandini | but i do get about 30% more |
| 17:10.19 | Speeddymon_ | weird.. i dunno what the problem with that was |
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| 17:11.21 | Fisker- | poull each 20 minutes |
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| 17:11.25 | Fisker- | 0, 20 and 40 |
| 17:11.39 | cncfanatics | any willing addon testers here ?? |
| 17:12.00 | Fisker- | what task do you require me for? |
| 17:12.02 | Speeddymon_ | Kaelten: is there any way for me to tell how long is left until the next update? |
| 17:12.18 | Nandini | i'm willing and able, but be warned, i'm nitpicky :P |
| 17:12.41 | Kaelten | 8 mins |
| 17:12.52 | Kaelten | :20 :40 and at the hour |
| 17:13.27 | Speeddymon_ | lol oh so it is on the 20's got ya.. i was thinking it was every 20 mins, starting at some random time.. |
| 17:13.31 | Speeddymon_ | gotta love crontabs tho |
| 17:13.37 | Fisker- | what's why i said 0, 20 and 40 :((( |
| 17:13.38 | Fisker- | QQ |
| 17:13.40 | poull | Any requirements i might not meet since a new addon isn't added to files.wowace.com? I have had other addons work out just fine. Do i need anything else than a Notes |
| 17:13.41 | cncfanatics | Nandini, please do, it aint complete yet, but the current features need feedback asap for polishing :) |
| 17:13.49 | cncfanatics | Fisker-; same :) |
| 17:13.50 | poull | Notes field* |
| 17:13.54 | Fisker- | incorrect .toc |
| 17:14.01 | cncfanatics | http://files.wowace.com/FlexBar2/ |
| 17:14.02 | Fisker- | or you didn't leave the directory the same as the toc |
| 17:14.18 | Fisker- | If your addon is called "AddOn" your .toc must be named "AddOn.toc" |
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| 17:15.07 | Fisker- | got a raid in 15 minutes, might take a look at it tomorrow |
| 17:15.08 | Fisker- | :o |
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| 17:15.16 | poull | I think that should be in order. If anyone bother to check for reasons it might not show up here is a link http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/NoWeapons/ |
| 17:17.31 | Fisker- | what about UTF-8? |
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| 17:17.44 | Fisker- | Might be that the script skips addons that are not encoded in UTF-8 |
| 17:17.51 | poull | That shouldn't be needed if only english characters? |
| 17:18.09 | poull | Anyway i can try that. |
| 17:18.49 | poull | Actually i think it already is utf-8 |
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| 17:19.36 | CIA-14 | 03sinaloit * r46648 10ItemBonusLib/ (. ItemBonusLib.toc): |
| 17:19.36 | CIA-14 | ItemBonusLib: |
| 17:19.36 | CIA-14 | - Added tsvn:logtemplate |
| 17:19.36 | CIA-14 | - Added: X-Category: Library |
| 17:20.16 | Fisker- | man |
| 17:20.22 | Fisker- | poor gameshops :( |
| 17:20.28 | Fisker- | "YOU HAS TEH BIOSHOCK??!1" |
| 17:20.31 | CIA-14 | 03yssaril * r46649 10YssGuildShop/ (YGS_DB.lua YGS_GUI.lua YssGuildShop.lua YssGuildShop.toc): |
| 17:20.31 | CIA-14 | YssGuildShop: |
| 17:20.31 | CIA-14 | - reorganized Database (yet again) to reduce its memory size by more than half |
| 17:20.43 | Amadeo | BioShock doesn't even look good to me |
| 17:20.51 | Amadeo | it looks like they reused the same enemies the whole game |
| 17:21.01 | Amadeo | I read a review which said the bosses are the same guys on every map/level |
| 17:21.12 | Fisker- | yeah that's true i believe |
| 17:21.30 | Fisker- | though there's probably some boss enemies or something like that at some point |
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| 17:22.11 | CIA-14 | 03sinaloit * r46650 10JostleLib/ (. JostleLib.toc): |
| 17:22.11 | CIA-14 | JostleLib: |
| 17:22.11 | CIA-14 | - Updated tsvn:logtemplate |
| 17:22.11 | CIA-14 | - Added X-Category: Library |
| 17:22.23 | Fisker- | well not entirely of course :P |
| 17:22.37 | Fisker- | But you pretty much have 4 types of enemies |
| 17:22.43 | Amadeo | that just seems like a typical console game to me |
| 17:23.02 | Amadeo | I'm sick of dumbed down games :P |
| 17:23.09 | Amadeo | Bring back Baldur's Gate |
| 17:24.06 | Grum | if you have a table with a key with a space in it do you always have to call it with: t["..."] ? even if you put the key in a variable, it seems to be like this .. cant really get it working :) |
| 17:25.19 | Wobin | Grum: probably =) |
| 17:25.31 | Kemayo | if the key is "this key" and you have a variable containing that string, then t[variable] should work. |
| 17:25.35 | Yssaril | grum: if i dont use the stadard 1,2,3,4,.... table then i always use strings as key aka "somthingkeywise" never had a problem |
| 17:25.58 | Grum | yeah but why not t.variable? :\ |
| 17:26.35 | Wobin | cause that's the same as t["variable"] |
| 17:26.39 | Wobin | not t[variable] |
| 17:26.48 | Yssaril | cause that would be to easy :P |
| 17:26.54 | Speeddymon_ | Kaelten: that got it, its updated now.. thx |
| 17:27.06 | Yssaril | what wobin said |
| 17:27.47 | Wobin | I was so looking forward to bioshock =( |
| 17:28.00 | Grum | Wobin: lua is strange :D |
| 17:28.06 | Wobin | Grum: Yus |
| 17:28.18 | Wobin | Although it does make sense =) |
| 17:28.41 | Pkekyo | does Parrot not show swordspecc proccs, or am I just missing them? |
| 17:28.54 | Wobin | night all |
| 17:29.42 | Pkekyo | night? |
| 17:29.59 | deltron | http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1097058025&size=o <- lol |
| 17:30.26 | Mudkips | ... |
| 17:30.47 | Pkekyo | ahahahaha |
| 17:30.54 | Pkekyo | now that's great PR |
| 17:31.13 | Amadeo | wtf |
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| 17:31.33 | Pkekyo | where the hell was that pic taken? |
| 17:33.19 | deltron | some mac conference |
| 17:33.33 | Mudkips | I can see Kanye West now |
| 17:33.41 | Mudkips | Macs don't care about black people |
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| 17:34.22 | Kaelten | np :) |
| 17:35.58 | Pkekyo | gotta love it, killing blow with deep wounds in BG :> |
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| 17:41.58 | CIA-14 | GratuityLib: |
| 17:41.58 | CIA-14 | - Updated tsvn:logtemplate |
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| 17:44.53 | Pkekyo | hahaha I love this shit! |
| 17:44.53 | Pkekyo | "Hi can you tank SV?" - "Yes." "But I won't." |
| 17:44.59 | Yssaril | who is responsible for WAU? |
| 17:45.13 | deltron | #wau |
| 17:45.31 | Yssaril | ty :) |
| 17:47.58 | ravagernl | hey guys |
| 17:48.32 | ravagernl | Does anyone have any hunter savedvariables for pawn? (http://wowui.incgamers.com/ui.php?id=3999) |
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| 17:58.15 | poull | How do you trigger an event if you don't use AceEvent library? :) |
| 18:00.17 | haste | why would you trigger a blizzard event? |
| 18:03.07 | Chompers | is there a way to turn off the '3d' feel to text in Prat? |
| 18:03.23 | blay | toggle shadow |
| 18:03.24 | Nandini | it's under font |
| 18:03.31 | Nandini | use the backwards toggle for shadow |
| 18:03.39 | Fisker- | http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o225/gregor7777/tranny.jpg _D |
| 18:03.40 | Fisker- | :D |
| 18:03.42 | Nandini | which seems to be actually using outline, not shadow |
| 18:04.35 | poull | haste > to print a raid warning kinda message |
| 18:04.50 | Pkekyo | 260dmg MS on a clothie...warriors are overpowered? duck my sick |
| 18:05.20 | [dRaCo] | disci priest? |
| 18:05.31 | [dRaCo] | pain suppression ftw. |
| 18:05.38 | Chompers | Pkekyo: feel the effect of resil gems? |
| 18:05.55 | Pkekyo | it was a crit btw |
| 18:06.01 | Pkekyo | and yes, resilience is shite |
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| 18:06.15 | [dRaCo] | disci priest with pain suppression and 500 resilience ftw. |
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| 18:06.36 | Pkekyo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.41 | Kaelten | I finally have a 60! woot |
| 18:06.47 | cncfanatics | the priest could solo one if he didnt have mana |
| 18:06.51 | Pkekyo | warrior class description: "damagedealing powerhouse" my ass |
| 18:06.51 | cncfanatics | Kaelten, what a joke :p |
| 18:06.59 | Chompers | welcome to last year kael ;) |
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| 18:08.56 | haste | poull: if you just want to print a warning in the raidwarningframe, call the function directly. Triggering blizzard events == bad |
| 18:09.12 | CIA-14 | 03saroz * r46652 10BigWigs/SC/Lurker.lua: BigWigs: Lurker - Change message sound and color for spout |
| 18:09.56 | Chompers | what colour is it now Saroz? |
| 18:10.34 | Chompers | i have trouble distinguishing the various bars in that encounter |
| 18:10.34 | Saroz | red |
| 18:10.36 | Saroz | and goes BLING |
| 18:10.43 | Saroz | the text |
| 18:10.47 | Chompers | awesome, maybe people wont die so much |
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| 18:13.02 | poull | haste > Also what i do now just thought the other way might be better if people had other addons for raid warnings etc |
| 18:13.24 | Pkekyo | lmao, I MS crit clothies for 260dmg, but can white crit plate for 1k? |
| 18:13.54 | haste | no, it's not, and you can't trigger it globally regardless |
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| 18:14.28 | haste | unless you want to iterate over all frames and call their OnEvent handler, which doesn't even need an explenation |
| 18:15.12 | poull | I see, I'll jsut stick to calling the function then, thanks. |
| 18:17.44 | Xinhuan | hmm my guildmate just had a EotS draw. both horde/alliance teams reached 2000/2000 at the same time. |
| 18:18.02 | Xinhuan | the result if that both factions, all got 4 tokens each - 3 for the win and 1 for the loss. |
| 18:18.06 | Xinhuan | is* |
| 18:18.51 | Mudkips | SS |
| 18:18.54 | Mudkips | it didn't happen |
| 18:19.00 | Xinhuan | http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/3522/drawgr8.jpg |
| 18:19.03 | Xinhuan | http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/6954/logcc6.jpg |
| 18:19.27 | Mudkips | fake |
| 18:19.30 | Mudkips | shoopd |
| 18:19.39 | Mudkips | just kidding |
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| 18:19.55 | Xinhuan | i don't think he knows enough LUA to fake that ;p |
| 18:20.07 | Kaelten | :P |
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| 18:20.31 | Mudkips | recommend an addon that lists memory usage per addon? |
| 18:20.49 | Mikk | Yes, but they'll all be lying |
| 18:20.52 | Mudkips | I think I need to clean out my folder again |
| 18:21.04 | Mikk | PerformanceFu lists mem usage "per addon" |
| 18:21.14 | Mudkips | I have that |
| 18:21.18 | Mudkips | but I only see the 3-4 |
| 18:21.22 | Mikk | But with embedded addons, the first addon in the alphabet will be blamed for Ace memory usage |
| 18:21.30 | Mikk | And with disembedded, Ace2 gets blamed for a lot |
| 18:21.36 | Mikk | So it needs to be taken with several big grains of salt |
| 18:22.19 | Shadowed| | And even if you don't have libraries blaming it in different areas, it's not a very useful metric 99.99% of the time |
| 18:22.59 | Mikk | Yeah, high constant mem usage isn't a problem |
| 18:23.03 | Mikk | Unless you're running on 512MB RAM |
| 18:23.12 | Shadowed| | Doesn't TBC recommend 1GB of RAM |
| 18:23.16 | Mikk | It does |
| 18:23.18 | Xinhuan | there's another addon called Fubar_UsageFu |
| 18:23.25 | Xinhuan | it tracks a bit more than PerformanceFu |
| 18:23.30 | Elkano | I did run BC on 512 and now I do on 768 |
| 18:23.40 | Mikk | Yes elkano but you're bloody bonkers :P |
| 18:23.43 | Shadowed| | Even CPU isn't a useful metric unless you know what you're doing |
| 18:23.47 | Amadeo | Constant GC can be a problem, I remember when 2.0 first came out, I couldn't even participate in the BGs because of the extreme amount of GC going on, would just freeze me up |
| 18:23.51 | Shadowed| | 768? crazy |
| 18:24.04 | Elkano | Expo can track to, but it works a bit different |
| 18:24.10 | Mikk | My 1GB feels constricted when I've been moving around a lot |
| 18:24.12 | Mikk | 2GB seems ok |
| 18:24.26 | Shadowed| | Amadeo, it's the amount that your memory increases by that matters |
| 18:24.35 | Elkano | addon mem is between 40-60mb for me |
| 18:24.49 | Shadowed| | sorry, it's the rate that your memory increases by |
| 18:25.39 | Amadeo | Shadowed|: Yeah |
| 18:26.01 | Amadeo | what do people normally have? |
| 18:26.24 | Shadowed| | as rate? You can't really tell, just depends what kind of addons you run |
| 18:26.27 | Elkano | well, if you are low on RAM it's also the HD that matters |
| 18:26.58 | Shadowed| | at a certain point, you're playing below what TBC or even classic WoW suggests so you're screwed either way |
| 18:27.02 | Mikk | I usually sit at ~2KB/s when I'm not opening windows and screwing around |
| 18:27.05 | Mikk | Just running around killing stuff |
| 18:27.22 | Xinhuan | this discussion always comes up daily :o |
| 18:27.24 | Mikk | Install GroupCalendar or KTM and you'll see 20+ |
| 18:27.30 | iciek | anyone else have problems with closetgnome and 2 identical trinkets? |
| 18:27.50 | Shadowed| | Xinhuann, and people still think that total memory matters so it doesn't do much =p |
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| 18:35.31 | Amadeo | Do people usually use Claw or Bite on their pets? |
| 18:35.57 | Fisker- | man :( |
| 18:36.08 | Fisker- | high king maulgar with 6 healers :((( |
| 18:36.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Amadeo: as I understand it, bite, then the special attack (gore, LB, whatever) then claw if you have the focus to burn |
| 18:36.36 | Amadeo | people control them manually? |
| 18:37.03 | NightHawkTheSane | probably not, but have a good idea of how much focus their pet generates and just enable/disable the autocast as appropriate |
| 18:37.12 | NightHawkTheSane | er, "but they have.." |
| 18:37.12 | Amadeo | yeah |
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| 18:37.33 | Amadeo | I didn't know your pet could only learn so many things, so I got Prowl, then picked up Dash...and now I can't train it anything else |
| 18:37.51 | kenlyric | untrain it |
| 18:38.16 | kenlyric | Amadeo: generally use claw/gore with bite. |
| 18:38.42 | kenlyric | bite is more damage per focus, and claw/gore is your aggro dump. |
| 18:38.50 | kenlyric | errr focus dump |
| 18:38.53 | NightHawkTheSane | focus dump :P |
| 18:39.02 | NightHawkTheSane | gore is better than claw, if you have it, iirc |
| 18:39.03 | Amadeo | how do you untrain an ability? |
| 18:39.08 | NightHawkTheSane | go to your pet trainer |
| 18:39.09 | kenlyric | lightning breath is iffy, since it uses so much focus itself. |
| 18:39.16 | NightHawkTheSane | he'll have an option, for it |
| 18:39.27 | NightHawkTheSane | it untrains ALL your pets abilities though, like respeccing |
| 18:39.54 | NightHawkTheSane | kenlyric: I think itdoes more damage per focus than gore/claw, though,but i don't know. |
| 18:39.59 | kenlyric | the hardest thing to micro is claw and the scorpid poison. |
| 18:40.20 | Amadeo | damn :( |
| 18:40.35 | Amadeo | but cats can't use Gore, can they? |
| 18:40.39 | kenlyric | LB scales with your RAP. So it's gonna win over gore/claw nearly any day. |
| 18:40.43 | kenlyric | nope. |
| 18:41.01 | kenlyric | and yes, gore is always better than claw :) |
| 18:41.30 | Amadeo | I thought cats were like the DPS/PvP pet |
| 18:41.38 | kenlyric | pre-TBC |
| 18:41.54 | kenlyric | cats are good for pvp because of prowl, if you need that. |
| 18:42.02 | Amadeo | Prowl seems useless, it's so slow |
| 18:42.02 | NightHawkTheSane | they're still okay, because they have better inherent dps, but less health than other pets |
| 18:42.03 | NightHawkTheSane | i think |
| 18:42.11 | NightHawkTheSane | prowl's for pvp.. *shrug* |
| 18:42.14 | kenlyric | no, ravagers have the same dps as cats. |
| 18:42.28 | NightHawkTheSane | kenlyric: they do? *shrug* fair enough, then. :) |
| 18:42.30 | kenlyric | they h ave more armor and less health, which can be a problem. |
| 18:42.49 | kenlyric | but it's fairly minor, so you might as well have the dps boost from gore. |
| 18:42.50 | Amadeo | so what's the ultimate PvP pet now? |
| 18:43.09 | kenlyric | boar! :) |
| 18:43.17 | kenlyric | I dunno, i don't pvp |
| 18:43.28 | NightHawkTheSane | me either |
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| 18:44.20 | kenlyric | I'd generally say a ravager for just about any purpose. |
| 18:44.34 | Amadeo | I don't like how if you Prowl, the pet usually opens with Claw anyway, even if you have Bite on automatic |
| 18:44.38 | kenlyric | and scropids for boss fights. |
| 18:45.20 | kenlyric | I have a kitty because I love my mr kitty |
| 18:45.28 | kenlyric | and he already outdamages me :/ |
| 18:46.05 | Xinhuan | heh |
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| 18:48.14 | Xinhuan | wtb patch 2.2 already... |
| 18:48.27 | Xinhuan | been like what 6 weeks since ptr? |
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| 18:50.25 | Amadeo | they just put voice there, so it's not coming any time soon |
| 18:50.41 | Xinhuan | they put voice there 2 weeks ago isn't it? |
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| 19:00.24 | iciek | anyone else have problems with closetgnome and 2 identical trinkets? |
| 19:01.45 | Mudkips | why oh why did I peek at the druid forums |
| 19:01.50 | Mudkips | T_T |
| 19:02.11 | Xinhuan | you wanted to kill yourself |
| 19:07.58 | NightHawkTheSane | s/druid// |
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| 19:09.01 | CIA-14 | 03celellach * r46653 10AtlasLoot/DefaultFrame/DewDropDown.lua: |
| 19:09.01 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 19:09.01 | CIA-14 | - Added Sneed's Shredder |
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| 19:11.59 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Warcraft_pump#Hip_Hop_WOW >_> |
| 19:12.16 | Kirkburn | "Well. my group CDB (carolina Durrty boyz) are getting ready to do a new track dedicated to WOW. The beat is mad entirely out of sounds from the world of warcraft. EVERY SOUND!!!. we have posted the unfinished beat on our page looking for some input. So if you have time plz check it out and while your there if you like it invite us as friends." |
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| 19:15.05 | Amadeo | They have to be cool |
| 19:15.09 | Amadeo | because it's "Durrty" |
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| 19:17.26 | Mikk | God that was crap |
| 19:18.12 | Xinhuan | hmm putting a BoP gem into a BoE item doesn't cause it to become soulbound |
| 19:18.31 | Mikk | heh |
| 19:18.35 | Xinhuan | so technically |
| 19:18.38 | Mikk | slight oversight :P |
| 19:18.39 | Xinhuan | in the next patch |
| 19:18.40 | CIA-14 | 03pettigrow * r46654 10BigWigs_Naxxramas/ (BigWigs_Naxxramas.toc Kelthuzad.lua): BigWigs_Naxxramas: frFR Update |
| 19:18.46 | Xinhuan | with the new gems that are BOP for JCs |
| 19:19.01 | Xinhuan | you could still socket those BOP gems into crafted gear |
| 19:19.05 | Xinhuan | like Girdle of Ruination |
| 19:19.06 | Xinhuan | for people |
| 19:19.11 | Mikk | hehe |
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| 19:23.07 | Hjalte | Xinhuan, are you sure that would work? You know enchanting rings make them soulboumd. |
| 19:23.11 | Hjalte | soulbound* |
| 19:23.51 | Xinhuan | i just socketted |
| 19:24.01 | Xinhuan | Infused Amethyst and Potent Fire Opal |
| 19:24.09 | Xinhuan | into my Belt of Blasting, and its still BoE |
| 19:24.22 | Xinhuan | i've seen people sell their Honor farmed gems in BOE gear before as well |
| 19:24.28 | Xinhuan | i.e Potent Ornate Topaz |
| 19:24.57 | art3mis | im telling |
| 19:25.45 | Amadeo | Hm |
| 19:25.48 | Amadeo | StarOffice is free now |
| 19:26.04 | art3mis | it was to start with |
| 19:26.26 | art3mis | then it branched to openoffice for free and star for support(didnt pay for the software you paid when things fucked up) |
| 19:26.28 | Kirkburn | Mikk! |
| 19:26.39 | Kirkburn | I got questions for you |
| 19:27.08 | Amadeo | art3mis: I thought it was 70 bucks |
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| 19:27.20 | art3mis | that was with a year of support if i remember right |
| 19:27.21 | kergoth | ah, all those new gems in 2.2 are bop? didnt realize |
| 19:27.25 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 19:27.31 | Xinhuan | all the new gems in 2.2 are BO |
| 19:27.32 | Xinhuan | P |
| 19:27.36 | kergoth | that makes me sad |
| 19:27.37 | Amadeo | Where did you used to get it with no support? |
| 19:27.39 | art3mis | so technically it was still free |
| 19:27.51 | Amadeo | I only see "Free Trial" on Sun's website |
| 19:27.57 | art3mis | openoffice == staroffice without the packaging and support |
| 19:28.29 | Amadeo | I think they have some differences besides that, even though OpenOffice is based on it |
| 19:28.32 | art3mis | they did a rename a few years back when redhat proved that business people would buy freeware if yuo offer support contracts |
| 19:29.07 | Mikk | Kirkburn: *flees* |
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| 19:31.43 | Amadeo | I thought the Asus Eee PC was supposed to be coming out this month |
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| 19:32.06 | Cyrez | That's just like Mozilla = Netscape without AOL/bloat |
| 19:32.45 | Cyrez | Er, Nutscrape. Which at this point isn't even worth crapping on. |
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| 19:38.57 | Amadeo | Anyone have experience with wireless pcmcia cards? :P |
| 19:39.16 | Cyrez | Some, why? |
| 19:39.28 | Yssaril | i have used one before succefully i might add |
| 19:39.39 | Cyrez | Wait, broadband or LAN? |
| 19:39.48 | Cyrez | Huge difference. |
| 19:39.52 | Amadeo | 802.11g :) |
| 19:40.01 | Cyrez | LAN, then. |
| 19:40.17 | Cyrez | Broadband wireless cards are essentially cell phones. |
| 19:40.22 | Amadeo | There's a lot of off-brands, they worthless or work fine? |
| 19:40.39 | Cyrez | I have an Airlink and it works fine. |
| 19:40.50 | Amadeo | Isn't that Buffalo or something? |
| 19:41.06 | Cyrez | Um, huh? |
| 19:41.12 | Amadeo | Guess not, haha |
| 19:41.20 | Amadeo | I thought Buffalo had some AirLink thing |
| 19:41.38 | Cyrez | Well, I think it's Airlink101, actually. |
| 19:42.03 | Amadeo | I found this for cheap, I wonder how terrible it is :P |
| 19:42.06 | Amadeo | http://www.xpcgear.com/gw9108pcg.html |
| 19:42.34 | Amadeo | Hell, I wonder how terrible the store is |
| 19:44.49 | Nandini | it's 10 bucks, who cares? |
| 19:45.17 | Cyrez | Here's what I have: |
| 19:45.19 | Cyrez | http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4625808 |
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| 19:46.36 | Amadeo_ | Wow, Comcast hates me |
| 19:46.47 | Cyrez | Oh, eh, hello. |
| 19:46.50 | Cyrez | http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4625808 |
| 19:46.53 | Cyrez | ^Mine |
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| 19:48.05 | Amadeo | Damn, if only it had free shipping |
| 19:48.58 | Amadeo | I should probably just spend another $10 to get something I've heard of at least :P |
| 19:49.00 | Amadeo | There's a ZyXEL for $20 |
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| 19:51.13 | Amadeo | or a Netgear 511U for the same |
| 19:53.47 | Nandini | if you'll primarily be using it in one location, you might consider buying the same brand as the wireless router in that area |
| 19:54.25 | Nandini | but if you use it in a dozen different places every day, that's kind of pointless |
| 19:54.32 | Amadeo | haha |
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| 19:56.56 | Amadeo | it will be in a place where I won't know :) |
| 19:56.59 | Amadeo | for now, anyway |
| 19:58.41 | Bruners | instance servers down :S |
| 19:58.48 | Bruners | TK atleast |
| 20:00.41 | Yssaril | hmm is there a onshiftclick event handler for buttons? |
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| 20:08.10 | Mikk | Yssaril: no, you need to check if shift is pressed in the regular onclick |
| 20:08.39 | Nandini | the next patch you will even be able to tell the difference between left shift and right shift, if you want |
| 20:09.16 | tinyboom | Kaelten: ping |
| 20:09.39 | Yssaril | ahhh you know offhand how i check if shift is pressed? |
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| 20:10.29 | cryogen | YAY |
| 20:10.32 | cryogen | lurker down :) |
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| 20:11.50 | Xinhuan | double DE incoming |
| 20:11.52 | Xinhuan | amiright? |
| 20:12.16 | cryogen | ^^ |
| 20:12.21 | cryogen | hoping for belt |
| 20:12.52 | Xinhuan | what belt |
| 20:13.27 | Xinhuan | cord of screaming terrors? |
| 20:13.38 | Xinhuan | get belt of blasting imo |
| 20:13.46 | cryogen | ye |
| 20:13.49 | cryogen | noone has pattern yet tho :p |
| 20:13.52 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 20:14.00 | Xinhuan | just collect the mats - someone will get it sooner or later |
| 20:14.48 | cryogen | they arent all that different are they? |
| 20:14.53 | Amadeo | cncfanatics: Did you ever figure out that thing for FlexBar2 that you said would make things a lot better? |
| 20:15.22 | Xinhuan | belt of blasting has no stats, but 30 crit |
| 20:15.22 | Xinhuan | that's the main difference |
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| 20:15.25 | cryogen | well |
| 20:15.27 | cryogen | i dont need crit |
| 20:15.30 | cryogen | shadowpriest :) |
| 20:15.58 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 20:16.16 | cryogen | bah |
| 20:16.19 | cryogen | plate bracers pala belt |
| 20:16.35 | cryogen | chest* |
| 20:17.14 | Xinhuan | double DE LOLOL |
| 20:17.22 | cryogen | not likely :) |
| 20:17.35 | Xinhuan | ok someone would prob get the plate bracers |
| 20:17.41 | cryogen | the chest is imbalanced |
| 20:18.07 | Xinhuan | but T4 chest is better than that pally plate chest |
| 20:18.11 | Xinhuan | nobody will take it |
| 20:18.34 | cryogen | only 1 pala in raid and he took it |
| 20:18.37 | cryogen | dont think he had t4 tho |
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| 20:18.49 | Xinhuan | are you horde? |
| 20:18.52 | cryogen | aye |
| 20:18.58 | Xinhuan | its rare to imagine a raid with 1 pally |
| 20:19.16 | cryogen | is unusual for us too |
| 20:19.23 | Xinhuan | even as alliance our raids sometimes have as many as 5 pallies and 4 shamans at the same time |
| 20:19.31 | cryogen | i want your raids! |
| 20:19.34 | cryogen | i never get a shaman |
| 20:19.37 | cryogen | and never get decent blessings |
| 20:19.44 | Xinhuan | its like 1 enh, 1 elem, 2 restos shamans |
| 20:19.57 | cryogen | our paladins slack |
| 20:19.58 | Xinhuan | and 4 holy, 1 prot pallies ;p |
| 20:20.07 | Xinhuan | cos pallies and shaman chain heal rocks the world |
| 20:20.13 | cryogen | :) |
| 20:20.25 | Xinhuan | and then 2 spriest 1 holy priest ! |
| 20:21.55 | Cyrez | Are Shamans in demand? |
| 20:22.46 | Xinhuan | on alliance yes |
| 20:23.20 | cryogen | our class balance always sucks |
| 20:23.26 | cryogen | officers just invite random people :p |
| 20:24.35 | Xinhuan | maybe they have no one else online to invite |
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| 20:25.04 | cryogen | well tonight we had 34 online, and we ended up with 1 pala and 2 dps warriors |
| 20:25.25 | Xinhuan | you're still in the raid right? |
| 20:25.58 | Xinhuan | tell me how many healers, tanks, melee dps and ranged dps there are in the raid |
| 20:25.58 | Cyrez | Holy buttpirate! |
| 20:25.58 | Xinhuan | those 4 numbers should add up to 25 |
| 20:25.58 | cryogen | Xinhuan: nah |
| 20:26.02 | Kirkburn | netsplitz |
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| 20:26.32 | cryogen | according to my violation |
| 20:26.42 | Xinhuan | generally you want a Role Balance - not Class balance |
| 20:26.56 | Xinhuan | a typical raid has 7 healers, 3 tanks, 5 melee dps and 10 ranged dps |
| 20:27.04 | Xinhuan | that's 25 people |
| 20:27.09 | cryogen | 2 hunters, 2 shadowpriests, 2 rogues, 2 dps warriors, 2 tanks, 4 warlocks, 3 mages, 2 healing shamans, 1 melee shaman |
| 20:27.16 | cryogen | 1 resto druid |
| 20:27.40 | cryogen | 3 holy priests |
| 20:27.51 | cryogen | and 1 i cant find |
| 20:27.52 | Xinhuan | so according to your numbers you have 6 melee, 10 ranged dps, 2 tanks, 7 healers |
| 20:27.55 | Xinhuan | that's 25 |
| 20:28.06 | cryogen | not that bad i suppose |
| 20:28.09 | Xinhuan | which is fine |
| 20:28.11 | cryogen | but the dps warriors are kinda useless |
| 20:28.16 | Xinhuan | some bosses don't need 3 tanks |
| 20:28.18 | Xinhuan | so you just bring 2 |
| 20:28.29 | cryogen | its more the balance within the groups i hate |
| 20:28.33 | cryogen | i like my paladins! |
| 20:28.36 | Xinhuan | not true - fury warriors can easily out dps ranged dps |
| 20:28.40 | cryogen | yeah |
| 20:28.41 | cryogen | except |
| 20:28.44 | cryogen | they are MS |
| 20:28.45 | Xinhuan | and they bring battleshout |
| 20:29.00 | Xinhuan | hah |
| 20:29.19 | Xinhuan | what group do they put you in? |
| 20:29.25 | Cyrez | Mine is gonna be a weapon master. |
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| 20:29.46 | [dRaCo] | ms, enhancer, druid, rogue, rogue. |
| 20:29.57 | cryogen | hmm varies a lot |
| 20:30.11 | cryogen | i start in a random group with probably a warrior in it, then i complain |
| 20:30.17 | cryogen | and usually end up with locks/mages and 1 healer |
| 20:30.38 | cryogen | at lurker i had hunter priest mage warlock but that was our platform dps setup |
| 20:31.03 | Xinhuan | so you don't normally get placed in a healer group? |
| 20:31.15 | cryogen | sometimes |
| 20:31.21 | cryogen | mainly dps though |
| 20:31.37 | Xinhuan | you should get placed in a healer one - saves a ton of mana pots |
| 20:31.47 | Xinhuan | dps rarely runs out of mana |
| 20:31.51 | cryogen | are raid leaders are lazy or incompetant |
| 20:31.53 | cryogen | one of those |
| 20:31.59 | Xinhuan | probably both |
| 20:32.08 | cncfanatics | Amadeo, you pinged me ? |
| 20:32.17 | cryogen | i know whenevr there's a paladin in my group he never goes under 100% mana |
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| 20:32.24 | Xinhuan | we regularly swap groups midcombat to drop mana spring totems, or use heroism |
| 20:32.39 | cryogen | yeah the last serious raiding guild i was in did that |
| 20:32.41 | Xinhuan | or swap healers if one is low on mana, and another is high |
| 20:32.46 | Xinhuan | to a spriest group |
| 20:34.41 | Xinhuan | you have to also take note of things like |
| 20:34.59 | Xinhuan | who has improved devo aura, who has improved trueshot aura, etc |
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| 20:35.34 | Xinhuan | and setting up groups properly can increase raid dps by 5-10% |
| 20:35.45 | Cyrez | ^ |
| 20:35.53 | cryogen | yeah |
| 20:36.06 | cryogen | tho often we have odd setups where fitting all melee in 1 group isnt possible |
| 20:36.07 | Cyrez | And amp up defense. |
| 20:36.15 | Xinhuan | if you have 6 melee |
| 20:36.23 | Xinhuan | stick the last melee in the tank group |
| 20:36.41 | Xinhuan | and swap him out when another melee in the melee group dies |
| 20:36.54 | Xinhuan | depends really for the boss |
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| 20:37.19 | Xinhuan | 2 tanks, 1 pally, 1 warlock, 1 shaman is pretty standard for a tank group |
| 20:37.34 | cncfanatics | what if one of the tanks is a pally ? |
| 20:37.47 | Xinhuan | he'll be using devo aura usually |
| 20:37.49 | Xinhuan | or ret aura |
| 20:37.55 | cncfanatics | devo |
| 20:38.02 | Xinhuan | so it doesn't matter |
| 20:38.03 | Cyrez | I'd put a Moonkin in there depending on how the Pala is speced. |
| 20:38.05 | Xinhuan | its that pally |
| 20:38.20 | Cyrez | If he's tanking. |
| 20:38.23 | Xinhuan | the shaman is there mainly for agi totem |
| 20:38.29 | Xinhuan | and grounding if applicable |
| 20:38.32 | cncfanatics | moonkin aura is rather useless imo |
| 20:38.41 | cncfanatics | most of my threat cant crit anyway |
| 20:38.58 | rubik | wtb druid tank spell interrupt ability. pst. |
| 20:39.03 | Xinhuan | a elemental shaman is better for mage/locks, a spriest is better for healer groups |
| 20:39.09 | cryogen | and now i just managed to talk myself into a grull raid |
| 20:39.10 | cncfanatics | rubik, that charge thingy ? :p |
| 20:39.14 | cryogen | i should learn to stfu :) |
| 20:39.18 | cncfanatics | ultimate palatank grp: |
| 20:39.25 | Xinhuan | so if you have both a elem shaman and a spriest - dont' put the spriest in ranged dps group |
| 20:39.36 | cncfanatics | spriest, retri pala, warrior, shammy, shammy |
| 20:39.43 | cncfanatics | threat will double what that setup :) |
| 20:39.46 | rubik | cncfanatics: yeah, i guess the feral charge thing works.. sometimes.. heh |
| 20:40.03 | Xinhuan | dps will also drop with that setup ;p |
| 20:40.03 | cncfanatics | spriest, retri pala, warrior, shammy, palatank even |
| 20:40.17 | Xinhuan | ret pally sucks until blizz fixed it |
| 20:40.22 | Xinhuan | fixes* |
| 20:40.23 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, go do some maths |
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| 20:40.56 | cncfanatics | 3% crit to whole raid adds up to quite a lot in raids |
| 20:41.22 | cncfanatics | as well as renewing all judgements |
| 20:41.40 | Shadowed| | what ret paladins? |
| 20:41.41 | Xinhuan | its arguable |
| 20:41.51 | Xinhuan | because many bosses have PBAOE style attacks |
| 20:41.59 | Xinhuan | and the less melee classes you have, the better it is |
| 20:42.04 | cncfanatics | except |
| 20:42.12 | cncfanatics | that all AOE effects from bosses are front only now |
| 20:42.18 | Xinhuan | the only judgement that should be up is reallyjust JoW |
| 20:42.21 | cncfanatics | they removed all non frontal cleaves from bosses |
| 20:42.27 | cncfanatics | oh ? |
| 20:42.31 | Mikk | JoL kicks serious ass for melee healing |
| 20:42.37 | Mikk | Clock the numbers and you'll see |
| 20:42.45 | cryogen | jol is imba for dual weild |
| 20:42.46 | Cyrez | My paladin is a 3-way hybrid molding him into a holy meat sack. |
| 20:42.47 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, did u raid past shadow labs ? :p |
| 20:42.48 | Xinhuan | Chain heal is usually enough to cover all the melee |
| 20:42.50 | cryogen | jow is nice at times too :) |
| 20:43.05 | Xinhuan | just heal the tank and chain heal heals all the melee |
| 20:43.11 | cncfanatics | JoW + JoL + JoCrusader for the crit is rly nice |
| 20:43.24 | cncfanatics | why waste mana on chain heals when 200 mana does it ? |
| 20:43.32 | cryogen | i never get jow, even for 30s :( |
| 20:43.43 | cncfanatics | I judge JoW usualy on bosses |
| 20:43.49 | xyu | same |
| 20:43.54 | cncfanatics | sometimes, very sometimes light |
| 20:44.25 | cncfanatics | gruul is an example for where I'd want to judge light |
| 20:44.29 | cncfanatics | imo at least |
| 20:44.42 | xyu | yeah oncei had light up the whole time on gruul and a rogue was like 4th in healing |
| 20:44.44 | Xinhuan | gruul is a fight that is short enough to not require using JoW |
| 20:45.00 | Xinhuan | kael on the other hand... lol |
| 20:45.07 | cryogen | aye gruul i can live without jow |
| 20:45.34 | iciek | wtb fix for closetgnome with 2 identical trinkets (it doesn't equip both) |
| 20:45.38 | cryogen | doing gruul now as it happens |
| 20:45.44 | cncfanatics | meh |
| 20:45.51 | cncfanatics | my nuby guild is stuck at gruul :) |
| 20:45.54 | cryogen | they set up a raid, an di /w the raid leader "no shadowpriests?" and got an invite, even tho i didnt want one :p |
| 20:45.56 | Xinhuan | iciek: i don't think any equipment addon can equip both |
| 20:46.15 | iciek | outfitter can iirc, i'll test later |
| 20:47.08 | Xinhuan | which set was it that gave priests a auto-fade on hit |
| 20:47.11 | Xinhuan | t2? |
| 20:47.13 | Xinhuan | t3? |
| 20:47.31 | cryogen | t2 |
| 20:47.33 | cryogen | 5 piece |
| 20:47.41 | cryogen | i never got it :( |
| 20:47.46 | cncfanatics | for Slot, _ in pairs(InventoryCache[Bag]) do |
| 20:47.46 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.46 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.53 | cncfanatics | would that do to recycle a table ? |
| 20:48.10 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 20:48.13 | Xinhuan | but instead of using table.remove |
| 20:48.16 | Xinhuan | you should just do |
| 20:48.26 | cncfanatics | nil it, indeed |
| 20:48.27 | Xinhuan | InventoryCache[Bag][Slot] = nil |
| 20:48.31 | cryogen | while im here.. anyone got any experience with 8400M geforce? |
| 20:48.51 | cncfanatics | cryogen, never heard of it |
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| 20:49.08 | cryogen | its a notebook card |
| 20:49.24 | cryogen | dx10 supposedly, has hd encoder built in, and hdmi output |
| 20:49.29 | NightHawkTheSane | "Well, sir, we may be looking at evidence that human beings are a lot older than we thought." "Darwin would be crushed." |
| 20:50.59 | kenlyric | why, did darwin date the human species? |
| 20:51.01 | cncfanatics | cryogen, u shldnt buy anything hd & hdmi yet |
| 20:51.11 | cncfanatics | its not even guaranteed to work with vista at all |
| 20:51.17 | kenlyric | I'm actually pretty sure he didn't. |
| 20:51.51 | cryogen | well its sold with vista, so it had better :) |
| 20:51.57 | cryogen | but thats not the reason im getting it :) |
| 20:52.02 | cryogen | ..or thinking of getting it |
| 20:52.03 | gnorlish | kenlyric, straight from quantifying optimus' awesomeness to debating darwin |
| 20:52.49 | cryogen | and yay for high king ninja pulls :o |
| 20:53.01 | NightHawkTheSane | who's debating darwin? i'm quoting sg1 ;) |
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| 20:53.48 | cncfanatics | god, blizz is SO illogical |
| 20:53.53 | cncfanatics | GetSpellCooldown accepts a name |
| 20:53.57 | cncfanatics | but PickupSpell doesnt |
| 20:54.01 | cncfanatics | why ? noone knows |
| 20:54.13 | NightHawkTheSane | er.. |
| 20:54.37 | NightHawkTheSane | probably because pickup spell -needs- to use an id, so it knows precisely which spell icon to pick up (names are ambiguous with multiple ranks) |
| 20:54.49 | cncfanatics | SpellName (rank X) ? |
| 20:54.51 | cncfanatics | thats a valid name :p |
| 20:54.58 | cncfanatics | could pickup the highest rank if none specified |
| 20:55.08 | NightHawkTheSane | I doubt it's handled like that in the spellbook code, though |
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| 20:55.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Plus, I'm just guessing, really. :) |
| 20:55.54 | cncfanatics | omg |
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| 20:55.54 | cncfanatics | PickupSpell does actualy accept a name |
| 20:55.54 | cncfanatics | amazing |
| 20:55.54 | cncfanatics | why aint that documented :p |
| 20:55.58 | NightHawkTheSane | lol |
| 20:56.08 | NightHawkTheSane | well, cause some coder is lazy. |
| 20:56.24 | Funkeh` | loes |
| 20:56.31 | NightHawkTheSane | hey Funkeh` |
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| 21:00.19 | cryogen | so we kill lurker for the first time |
| 21:00.21 | cryogen | then wipe on high king |
| 21:00.22 | cryogen | smart :) |
| 21:00.49 | CIA-14 | 03funkydude * r46655 10Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0/ (NPCModules/BlackTemple/Illidan.lua Threat-1.0.xml): Threat-1.0: add Illidan module |
| 21:01.45 | CIA-14 | 03funkydude * r46656 10BigWigs/BlackTemple/Illidan.lua: BigWigs: BlackTemple/Illidan: add some sync throttles |
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| 21:10.02 | cncfanatics | how to pick up an item ? |
| 21:10.11 | cncfanatics | with pick up I mean put on the cursor |
| 21:10.15 | cncfanatics | like with PickupSpell does |
| 21:12.04 | cncfanatics | someone ? -.- |
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| 21:20.09 | NightHawkTheSane | cncfanatics: i bet wowwiki knows. |
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| 21:20.50 | cncfanatics | no he doesnt |
| 21:20.59 | cncfanatics | he only knows a function to pick up by inventory slot & bag id |
| 21:21.02 | cncfanatics | which arent available to me |
| 21:21.08 | cncfanatics | and caching them is a pain in the behind |
| 21:21.29 | NightHawkTheSane | those are the only ways to pick up an item |
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| 21:21.52 | NimbleRabit | Anyone know of a channel where I might get router/lan type help? |
| 21:22.27 | CIA-14 | 03darravis * r46657 10SmartyCat/ (SmartyCat.lua SmartyCat.toc embeds.xml): |
| 21:22.27 | CIA-14 | SmartyCat: |
| 21:22.27 | CIA-14 | -use embeds.xml |
| 21:23.03 | cncfanatics | NightHawkTheSane, how to pickup something thats currently equiped then ? |
| 21:23.08 | CIA-14 | 03darravis * r46658 10SmartyCatManaBar/ (SmartyCatManaBar.lua SmartyCatManaBar.toc embeds.xml): |
| 21:23.09 | CIA-14 | SmartyCatManaBar: |
| 21:23.09 | CIA-14 | -use embeds.xml |
| 21:23.19 | NightHawkTheSane | pickupinventoryitem? |
| 21:23.55 | cncfanatics | ah yes, thank you |
| 21:23.59 | cncfanatics | !api PickupInventoryItem |
| 21:24.00 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: /script PickupInventoryItem(GetInventorySlotInfo("MainHandSlot")) -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_PickupInventoryItem |
| 21:24.03 | NightHawkTheSane | once again, wowwiki knew taht. |
| 21:24.53 | cncfanatics | still dsnt tell me how to pickup an item by name though |
| 21:25.03 | cncfanatics | I'll have to cache both with those two, and still limits me in what I can do |
| 21:27.28 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont think it's possible to pick up items by name |
| 21:30.33 | cncfanatics | quite stupid imo :( |
| 21:30.49 | Fisker- | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1187208366687.jpg |
| 21:32.50 | NightHawkTheSane | "if aliens ever really tried to contact us, it'd be through the internet. Then 4chan would probably scare them off." |
| 21:33.11 | Cyrez | The bot in my channel pass your test? ^^ |
| 21:33.51 | cncfanatics | Cyrez, for now |
| 21:33.54 | cncfanatics | no big essays to commit |
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| 21:34.48 | cncfanatics | this should do |
| 21:34.57 | cncfanatics | "fatality" -.- |
| 21:34.58 | Cyrez | The bot doesn't wrap lines unless it REALLY has to. |
| 21:36.11 | cncfanatics | rly great :) |
| 21:36.23 | Cyrez | And I can change that, as well, lol. |
| 21:36.30 | Cyrez | But I doubt it'll come up. |
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| 21:37.49 | Yssaril | anyone know the code to add an itemlink to the chat editbox or do i have to do that manually? |
| 21:37.50 | ckknight | hey all |
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| 21:38.26 | Grum | Can you make 'spacers' using AceOption menus? |
| 21:38.41 | cncfanatics | no idea |
| 21:38.43 | ckknight | Grum: yea, type = 'header' |
| 21:38.49 | ckknight | and don't specify a name |
| 21:39.20 | Grum | thanks :) |
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| 21:39.31 | Grum | do headers get underlined orso? |
| 21:39.36 | Grum | a header might actually be better =D |
| 21:39.57 | ckknight | they act as labels |
| 21:40.07 | Grum | k |
| 21:40.09 | Grum | thanks :) |
| 21:40.14 | Grum | good morning btw ;) |
| 21:40.21 | ckknight | it's 11:40 AM |
| 21:40.24 | ckknight | just got off work |
| 21:40.29 | Grum | 12hrs timediff .. pfft :) |
| 21:40.35 | cncfanatics | " AceModuleCore-2.0: Error initializing class. Please report error." |
| 21:40.35 | ckknight | stubbed my toe |
| 21:40.37 | cncfanatics | wth is that ? |
| 21:40.38 | ckknight | very lame |
| 21:40.42 | ckknight | cncfanatics: no damn idea |
| 21:40.49 | cncfanatics | its in your code :p |
| 21:40.54 | ckknight | srsly? |
| 21:40.55 | Xinhuan | 11.40 am - what place is that? |
| 21:41.02 | cncfanatics | happens when I do FlexBar2.GetModule from the chatbox |
| 21:41.05 | ckknight | okay, basically doing class:new has failed. |
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| 21:41.13 | ckknight | Xinhuan: opposite end of the world from Europe |
| 21:41.15 | cncfanatics | why would that ever happen ? |
| 21:41.24 | ckknight | error inside it? |
| 21:41.24 | cncfanatics | and how to fix it |
| 21:41.29 | cncfanatics | its initialized fine |
| 21:41.32 | cncfanatics | and the module is working |
| 21:41.39 | Xinhuan | is that newzealand? heh |
| 21:41.43 | cncfanatics | its just that GetModule wont work |
| 21:42.11 | cncfanatics | nvm ckknight |
| 21:42.15 | cncfanatics | I was doing .GetModul |
| 21:42.19 | cncfanatics | instead of :GetModule |
| 21:42.44 | CIA-14 | 03sylvanaar * r46659 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/Filtering.lua: Prat: Typo was preventing bg leaves from being hidden |
| 21:43.17 | ckknight | Xinhuan: Kiwiland is two hours west of me |
| 21:43.37 | Xinhuan | i don't want to play hide and seek :( |
| 21:44.26 | ckknight | sure you do |
| 21:44.32 | ckknight | what's two hours east of New Zealand? |
| 21:44.42 | ckknight | that has internet access |
| 21:47.10 | Xinhuan | i don't actually know :o |
| 21:50.07 | ckknight | Hawaii |
| 21:50.12 | ckknight | hehe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc2Y1IkJwCU&mode=related&search= |
| 21:51.24 | cncfanatics | whats wrong with this code http://cnc.pastey.net/72273? |
| 21:51.26 | cncfanatics | http://cnc.pastey.net/72273 ? |
| 21:51.35 | Xinhuan | ckknight: wouldn't most guilds raid too late for you then? |
| 21:51.52 | ckknight | I'm lvl 46 |
| 21:52.12 | ckknight | cncfanatics: what's InventorySlot? |
| 21:52.24 | cncfanatics | good question |
| 21:52.27 | cncfanatics | should be Slot really |
| 21:52.29 | cncfanatics | thanks :p |
| 21:52.43 | Xinhuan | code less, play more! |
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| 21:53.44 | cncfanatics | heh, I might have a lvl 70, but I code more then I play lately |
| 21:53.49 | cncfanatics | Kotor > WoW when I want some playing |
| 21:53.58 | cncfanatics | u can actualy be imba without being nerfed with that damn game |
| 21:54.33 | Xinhuan | its funny to see someone coding more for a game that he doesn't play as much ~_~ |
| 21:54.33 | cncfanatics | ckknight, can RegisterEvent from in Ace2 take a function as second parameter ? |
| 21:54.46 | ckknight | yea |
| 21:54.48 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, we enjoy coding |
| 21:54.54 | ckknight | yea, coding is fun |
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| 21:55.08 | cncfanatics | only thing I hate are GUIs |
| 21:55.12 | cncfanatics | but u got to do em too -.- |
| 21:55.23 | Xinhuan | i don't doubt that |
| 21:55.26 | Xinhuan | i enjoy coding too |
| 21:55.47 | ckknight | anyone have any comments on http://wowace.com/wiki/Joker yet? |
| 21:56.14 | cncfanatics | let me have a read, ckknight |
| 21:56.24 | Xinhuan | for some silly reason, i enjoy debugging more than coding |
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| 21:57.40 | CIA-14 | 03darchon * r46660 10Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0/NPCModules/BlackTemple/Illidan.lua: Threat-1.0: koKR Update |
| 21:58.05 | cncfanatics | ckknight, custom event namespace will be local ? |
| 21:58.53 | NightHawkTheSane | hah.. "Teen: So, this one time I got kicked out of Barnes and Noble for moving all the Bibles to the 'Fiction' section..." |
| 21:59.00 | ckknight | cncfanatics: how do you mean? |
| 21:59.03 | ckknight | lol, NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:00.18 | cncfanatics | Non-namespaced events in AceEvent cause many problems, especially with regard to library event triggering and library versioning. |
| 22:00.31 | ckknight | yea |
| 22:00.34 | cncfanatics | that basicly implies that custom events triggered will be local to the addon only by default ? |
| 22:00.46 | ckknight | they're namespaced, not local |
| 22:00.56 | cncfanatics | how do you enforce the namespacing ? |
| 22:01.19 | ckknight | :DispatchEvent("myEvent", ...) dispatches with the namespace |
| 22:01.41 | cncfanatics | basicly AddonName_MyEvent ? |
| 22:01.44 | ckknight | so LibRoster:DispatchEvent("RaidChanged") would fire off "LibRoster-3.0", "RaidChanged" |
| 22:01.51 | cncfanatics | oh, that way |
| 22:02.05 | cncfanatics | how does it work for modules dispatching events ? |
| 22:02.09 | ckknight | yes, except with the underscore situation, you have stuff like RosterLib_RaidChanged, Roster20_RaidChanged, Roster21_RaidChanged |
| 22:02.23 | cncfanatics | will it use the module's name or the core's name ? |
| 22:02.23 | ckknight | modules are namespaced by their core's name, _, the module name |
| 22:02.32 | cncfanatics | ok |
| 22:02.34 | cncfanatics | thats great |
| 22:02.35 | cncfanatics | cheers :) |
| 22:02.38 | ckknight | e.g. Cartographer_Thingy = Cartographer:NewModule("Thingy") |
| 22:02.49 | ckknight | Cartographer_Thingy.name == "Cartographer_Thingy" |
| 22:03.01 | ckknight | Cartographer_Thingy.moduleName == "Thingy" |
| 22:03.06 | ckknight | the .name is the full namespace |
| 22:03.22 | cncfanatics | I see |
| 22:03.51 | rubik | druid cat's Maim ability doesn't work to interrupt Aran's spell casts, right? |
| 22:04.02 | Xinhuan | is there a way to see a list of frames that has registered for an event? |
| 22:04.12 | Xinhuan | in ace2 that is |
| 22:04.25 | ckknight | no |
| 22:04.31 | ckknight | wait till WoW 2.3 |
| 22:04.48 | cncfanatics | rubik, anything that interrupts should work, stuns & the like, and everything with a built in silence (aka spell lock), but not counterspell because the silence is talented |
| 22:04.50 | Xinhuan | would it be feasible for Joker to add this in? |
| 22:04.58 | cncfanatics | s/with/without/ |
| 22:05.08 | ckknight | no, Xinhuan |
| 22:05.21 | cncfanatics | you cant do it with the current API Xinhuan |
| 22:05.31 | cncfanatics | in 2.3 you could loop through all frames |
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| 22:05.38 | cncfanatics | and do IsEventRegistered on them all though |
| 22:05.44 | cncfanatics | but thats a bit silly imo |
| 22:06.06 | rubik | cncfanatics: gotcha.. i know bear feral charge interrupts but i'm usually tearing away in cat and would rather not switch to bear.. and i'm pretty sure my Maim didn't work to interrupt but maybe it just kept getting resisted |
| 22:07.01 | cncfanatics | rubik, is it a plain interrupt without silence ? |
| 22:08.24 | Jaxon | In Aran, rogues, warriors, shamans and mages can interrupt the casts. |
| 22:08.30 | cncfanatics | would this be an efficient way to cache the inventory and equiped items ? want to make sure I dont waste mem / cpu on something that triggers that often |
| 22:08.32 | cncfanatics | http://cnc.pastey.net/72274 |
| 22:08.44 | alb | and felhunters :DDDDDDDD |
| 22:08.47 | cncfanatics | alb, nope |
| 22:08.53 | alb | u wot |
| 22:08.57 | cncfanatics | felhunter has a builtin silence, and thus he is immune |
| 22:08.58 | Jaxon | Yes, and Felhunters, but they tend not to live long enough |
| 22:09.19 | cncfanatics | he's immune to anything with a non-talented silence that I know of |
| 22:09.25 | Jaxon | He is immune to silences, but not to interrupt. |
| 22:09.39 | cncfanatics | he's immune to the whole skill if it has a built in silence due to blizz's weirdness |
| 22:09.44 | cncfanatics | at least he was last time I tried |
| 22:09.49 | Jaxon | As long as there is an interrupt (spell lock counts) it'll stop |
| 22:10.02 | cncfanatics | popped "immune" above aran's head last time and didnt interrupt |
| 22:10.20 | cncfanatics | should try it out, maybe they fixed it |
| 22:12.00 | Xinhuan | cncfanatics: looks ok - what are you using it for? |
| 22:12.29 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, I got an actionbar addon |
| 22:12.34 | cncfanatics | it doesnt use actionid's however |
| 22:12.44 | rubik | Maim doesn't have a silence component: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=22570 |
| 22:12.59 | Jaxon | Thats why druids don't interrupt. |
| 22:13.03 | cncfanatics | so to "pickup" an item from an action button to the cursor I need to have the BagId & slot available, or the InventorySlot |
| 22:13.15 | Xinhuan | so you're building a table of items/equipment with the name as the index? |
| 22:13.15 | cncfanatics | as you can't pickup by item name |
| 22:13.21 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 22:13.23 | rubik | well.. i CAN interrupt if i jump in bear form to feral charge but that sucks |
| 22:13.26 | Jaxon | Aran is only vulnerable to INTERRUPTS |
| 22:13.30 | Jaxon | Feral Charge is a stun |
| 22:13.40 | Xinhuan | that won't work perfectly |
| 22:13.42 | Jaxon | and interrupts because the target isn't casting anything stunned. |
| 22:13.44 | rubik | feral charge WILL interrupt |
| 22:13.45 | Xinhuan | there are items with identical names |
| 22:13.59 | Xinhuan | for example: Greater Healthstones |
| 22:14.04 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 22:14.08 | Xinhuan | but they are different - depending on spec |
| 22:14.11 | rubik | he's immune to the snare but it'll interrupt his cast |
| 22:14.18 | Xinhuan | you will want to use the itemlink as the index instead perhaps |
| 22:14.18 | cncfanatics | gah thats rubbish |
| 22:14.27 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, |
| 22:14.30 | cncfanatics | actionbuttons |
| 22:14.33 | cncfanatics | they work with the itemname |
| 22:14.38 | cncfanatics | so they'll use one of both at random anyway |
| 22:14.46 | cncfanatics | so it doesnt really matter if I pick one at random |
| 22:14.48 | Xinhuan | well what if you want to bind a specific healthstone? |
| 22:14.57 | cncfanatics | you can't with the current blizz implentation |
| 22:15.14 | Xinhuan | alright, you got me there then |
| 22:15.23 | cncfanatics | let me check though |
| 22:15.33 | cncfanatics | maybe, with slight chance, it can accept an itemlink |
| 22:15.44 | Xinhuan | at the moment, the best is only to use a /use item:1; item:2; item:3 |
| 22:15.44 | Xinhuan | macro |
| 22:15.51 | Xinhuan | where 1, 2 and 3 are the healthstone itemIDs |
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| 22:16.23 | cncfanatics | it is purely by name currently |
| 22:16.27 | Xinhuan | there are also some situatinos you have multiple of the same gear but different enchant |
| 22:16.28 | cncfanatics | will pick the first one it encounters |
| 22:16.35 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 22:16.38 | cncfanatics | might want to ask blizz |
| 22:16.39 | Xinhuan | and you want to use a specific one |
| 22:16.43 | cncfanatics | to use item links there instead |
| 22:16.59 | cncfanatics | anyone with an US forum acc ? |
| 22:17.10 | Xinhuan | can't you use "macros" in your bar instead? |
| 22:17.11 | xyu | sup? |
| 22:17.28 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, thats anoying :/ |
| 22:17.35 | cncfanatics | xyu, could you post something on US forums for me ? |
| 22:17.36 | Xinhuan | since the macrotext can specify exactly what you want |
| 22:17.42 | xyu | sure |
| 22:18.07 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, that does bring other issues |
| 22:18.09 | Xinhuan | other than these 2 issues, i don't think i can think of anything else |
| 22:18.11 | cncfanatics | such as dragging the item |
| 22:20.26 | xyu | are there other programs / uses for LUA outside of wow? |
| 22:20.32 | Xinhuan | also note sure if GetItemLink() is faster than strfind() for getting the itemName |
| 22:20.38 | Xinhuan | not* sure |
| 22:20.38 | cncfanatics | http://cnc.pastey.net/72275 , Xinhuan, do you think this explains the problem well ? |
| 22:20.53 | cncfanatics | (ignore the first part, thats another issue) |
| 22:21.00 | cncfanatics | There is also another issue I have noticed, when having a secure action button of the type "item", if you have two or more items of the same name in your inventory, there is no way to currently control what one will be used. Perhaps it would be better to use the Item's link instead of its name ? |
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| 22:21.25 | cncfanatics | explains it quite well imo ? or not ? my english aint the best |
| 22:21.28 | Xinhuan | i thought you could just use the itemID |
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| 22:21.56 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, you know lua ? |
| 22:21.59 | Xinhuan | yes |
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| 22:22.07 | cncfanatics | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/live/FrameXML/SecureTemplates.lua |
| 22:22.18 | cncfanatics | SecureActionButton_OnClick is the function you want |
| 22:22.23 | cncfanatics | check their "item" implentation |
| 22:22.27 | Xinhuan | ok looking |
| 22:22.36 | cncfanatics | its by Bag & Slot id (which is depricated so wont use it), or by name |
| 22:23.26 | Xinhuan | SecureCmdItemParse() what does that do? |
| 22:23.33 | cncfanatics | only they now |
| 22:23.36 | cncfanatics | couldnt find the code anywhere |
| 22:23.46 | Xinhuan | hmm i'll check |
| 22:23.48 | cncfanatics | all SecureCmd functions seem to be hidden somewhere |
| 22:23.54 | cncfanatics | and I couldnt find them anywhere:( |
| 22:24.38 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 22:24.46 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 22:24.51 | cncfanatics | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=105751019&sid=1 |
| 22:24.58 | cncfanatics | item:ItemId might work |
| 22:25.45 | Xinhuan | SecureCmdItemParse(item) |
| 22:25.46 | Bruners | anyone that has an ok paladin protection build? |
| 22:25.47 | Xinhuan | that input |
| 22:25.52 | Xinhuan | must it be a string? |
| 22:25.57 | Xinhuan | containing the itemname? |
| 22:26.07 | Xinhuan | or does it accept a integer indicating the itemID as well? |
| 22:26.15 | cncfanatics | Bruners |
| 22:26.20 | cncfanatics | !c eu khadgar evolve |
| 22:26.23 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Evolve, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (0/49/12). 13147 HP; 4428 Mana; 81 mana regen; 16127 Armour; 596 AP; 88.1 Melee DPS; 5.65% melee crit; 15 spell crit; 245 +spell dmg/heal; 287 defense; 19.06% dodge; 20.91% block; 31 resilience;[[ TBR: 1478 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/27evs8 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2sm7vw ]] |
| 22:26.24 | cncfanatics | check my char's build |
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| 22:26.38 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan |
| 22:26.50 | cncfanatics | checked the forum link I gave you |
| 22:26.58 | cncfanatics | if thats how the func works it accepts a plain item ID too it seems |
| 22:27.23 | cncfanatics | the function returns an item id in the first place |
| 22:27.31 | cncfanatics | gonna give it a try |
| 22:27.59 | Xinhuan | try slouken's reply probably |
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| 22:28.09 | cncfanatics | item:ItemId yea |
| 22:28.11 | cncfanatics | I'm gonna |
| 22:28.47 | cncfanatics | first i'm gonna try the plain item id without item: in front |
| 22:28.54 | cncfanatics | might as well, so I wont have to parse around it |
| 22:29.12 | Xinhuan | slouken's reply says that a plain number indicates the equipped inventoryslot number |
| 22:29.49 | Xinhuan | so you probably do need the item: in front |
| 22:31.03 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, woooorks :) |
| 22:31.09 | cncfanatics | with the item in front |
| 22:31.14 | cncfanatics | this makes my life so damn easyer |
| 22:31.37 | Xinhuan | SecureCmdItemParse(item) is in ChatFrame.lua btw |
| 22:31.48 | Xinhuan | along with every other Secure... function |
| 22:31.52 | cncfanatics | thats silly |
| 22:31.58 | Xinhuan | i know - but its all there |
| 22:31.59 | cncfanatics | why arent they in the Secure_ files ? |
| 22:32.07 | cncfanatics | good enough |
| 22:32.09 | cncfanatics | thanks again |
| 22:32.17 | cncfanatics | now, any way to pickup an item by itemlink ? :p |
| 22:32.35 | Xinhuan | don't think so - but you have the bag/slot number |
| 22:32.41 | cncfanatics | indeed |
| 22:32.44 | cncfanatics | still anoying though |
| 22:32.45 | cncfanatics | supose |
| 22:32.50 | cncfanatics | some guy, just used his healthstone |
| 22:32.55 | cncfanatics | then wants to drag the action & so around |
| 22:32.57 | cncfanatics | it wont let him |
| 22:33.15 | Xinhuan | i think the reason why all the secure functins are in ChatFrame.lua is so that all the stuff ppl type can be parsed securely |
| 22:33.16 | cncfanatics | either way, how to get the itemId knowing the itemLink ? |
| 22:33.21 | Xinhuan | from the ChatEditBox |
| 22:33.33 | Xinhuan | itemLink has a format remember? |
| 22:33.37 | cncfanatics | stuff in the chateditbox is tainted |
| 22:33.44 | cncfanatics | its no way parsed securely |
| 22:34.06 | ccKep | local itemid = select(3, itemlink:find("item:(%d+):")) |
| 22:34.14 | Xinhuan | it is parsed securely otherwise you couldn't have typed /use mymount |
| 22:34.16 | cncfanatics | ccKep, thanks :) |
| 22:34.21 | cncfanatics | hmmm true |
| 22:34.21 | Xinhuan | and use that to mount up |
| 22:34.27 | cncfanatics | everything but /script is then |
| 22:34.35 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.43 | dodga | ccKep: I'm guessing, but would local _, _, itemid = ... be better then select() ? |
| 22:34.54 | dodga | I see :D |
| 22:34.59 | ckknight | yea, it would be |
| 22:35.04 | cncfanatics | dodga, what would your code be ? :p |
| 22:35.10 | xyu | do you still need me to post something? i'll go make a sandwich if not :P |
| 22:35.12 | cncfanatics | i'm a nub when it comes to manipulating strings |
| 22:35.15 | dodga | My code? I'd use PHP anyway :D |
| 22:35.24 | cncfanatics | heh -.- |
| 22:35.50 | cncfanatics | oh, just remove the select |
| 22:35.53 | ccKep | cncfanatics: local _, _, itemid = itemlink:find("item:(%d+):") then |
| 22:35.54 | cncfanatics | I see, i'm a blind nub |
| 22:35.57 | Xinhuan | if you have an itemLink, you can just use strfind() to directly extract the itemID and itemName |
| 22:36.09 | dodga | Also I don't know how costly ah regex search is or even if there is something else than a regex : |
| 22:36.57 | Xinhuan | local itemcolor, itemid, itemname = strmatch(itemLink, "(|c.*)|Hitem:(%d+):.*|h%[(.*)%]|h|r") |
| 22:37.11 | Xinhuan | i captured the color here as well in this case |
| 22:37.17 | Xinhuan | because i needed it in another of my addons |
| 22:37.26 | cncfanatics | its silly we have to parse that shit meh |
| 22:37.36 | Xinhuan | still its just a single function call |
| 22:37.42 | Xinhuan | to get both the itemID and itemName |
| 22:37.44 | Xinhuan | from an itemLink |
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| 22:38.58 | CIA-14 | 03cronan * r46661 10BigBrother/localization_koKR.lua: |
| 22:38.58 | CIA-14 | BigBrother: |
| 22:38.58 | CIA-14 | - Update koKR |
| 22:39.48 | cncfanatics | lets see if my new code works |
| 22:41.49 | cncfanatics | hmmm, it doesnt -.- |
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| 22:43.08 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 22:44.16 | cncfanatics | http://cnc.pastey.net/72277 , says the table index on line 12 is nil, how can that ever be possible ? |
| 22:44.55 | Xinhuan | on line 11 |
| 22:45.00 | Xinhuan | remove the "item:" .. |
| 22:45.26 | cncfanatics | what will that change to my table indexes though ? |
| 22:45.32 | Xinhuan | local _, _, ItemId = ItemLink:find("item:(%d+):"); |
| 22:45.34 | Xinhuan | that's all it is |
| 22:45.55 | Pkekyo | approx when is honor updated? |
| 22:46.01 | cncfanatics | table index on line 12 is still nil Xinhuan |
| 22:46.22 | ccKep | then you don't seem to have a valid itemlink? ;) |
| 22:46.26 | CIA-14 | 03yssaril * r46662 10YssGuildShop/YGS_GUI.lua: |
| 22:46.26 | CIA-14 | YssGuildShop: |
| 22:46.26 | CIA-14 | - added the function to shift click an item (puts itemlink in chat) and ctrl click an item (Tries to send the item to the Dressing Room) |
| 22:46.29 | Xinhuan | itemLink is already a full string containing the linkable item |
| 22:47.13 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, thats not the point, without that "item:", I still get the same error :( |
| 22:47.26 | cncfanatics | Action.lua:40: table index is nil |
| 22:47.29 | Xinhuan | print out the itemLink that generates the error |
| 22:47.58 | cncfanatics | Shattered hand belt |
| 22:48.01 | cncfanatics | is causing the error |
| 22:48.08 | cncfanatics | item is 25014 |
| 22:48.12 | xyu | hmm blizzard background downloader is on, wonder if that means next week = patch week. |
| 22:48.24 | ccKep | if not ItemId then self:Print("Error parsing link: "..ItemLink) end |
| 22:48.37 | Xinhuan | no i want the string |
| 22:48.39 | Xinhuan | print that out |
| 22:48.45 | cncfanatics | meh, irritating to type over |
| 22:48.45 | Xinhuan | what ccKep said |
| 22:48.45 | cncfanatics | sec |
| 22:49.01 | cncfanatics | lemme try |
| 22:49.06 | ccKep | activate /chatlog ;) |
| 22:49.40 | Xinhuan | you can gsub \124 with | to print it out actually, without using /chatlog |
| 22:51.06 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 22:51.12 | cncfanatics | ur code gets me an error with every ite |
| 22:51.13 | cncfanatics | item* |
| 22:51.30 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowwiki.com/ItemLink |
| 22:51.32 | Xinhuan | read that |
| 22:51.46 | ccKep | mind posting the error? |
| 22:51.46 | ckknight | just :PrintLiteral if you want the string. |
| 22:52.03 | Xinhuan | what you want is just to extract the itemID out |
| 22:52.15 | cncfanatics | indeed |
| 22:52.20 | cncfanatics | and ur code returns nil :( always |
| 22:52.31 | Xinhuan | it should never return nil |
| 22:52.48 | Gnarfoz | !ap 1000 |
| 22:52.48 | ThraeBot | Gnarfoz: Arena points from a rating of 1000 is, 2v2: 130, 3v3: 148, 5v5: 186 |
| 22:52.49 | Xinhuan | because GetContainerItemLink() always returns a valid itemLink or nil |
| 22:52.56 | Gnarfoz | !rp 1000 |
| 22:52.58 | Gnarfoz | d'oh |
| 22:53.00 | Gnarfoz | !ar 1000 |
| 22:53.00 | ThraeBot | Gnarfoz: Arena rating from 1000 points is, 2v2: 0, 3v3: 2272, 5v5: 1986 |
| 22:53.09 | Gnarfoz | !ar 900 |
| 22:53.09 | ThraeBot | Gnarfoz: Arena rating from 900 points is, 2v2: 2338, 3v3: 2106, 5v5: 1904 |
| 22:53.23 | Pkekyo | anyone know approx when honor is updated? |
| 22:53.59 | ccKep | cncfanatics: removed the "item:" .. part? |
| 22:54.08 | Xinhuan | to put it simply, ccKep already gave the shortest code to extract that - local _, _, itemid = ItemLink:find("item:(%d+):") |
| 22:55.04 | cncfanatics | yea, and i'm wondering why it doesnt work :( |
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| 22:55.32 | Xinhuan | don't use :find() then |
| 22:55.34 | Xinhuan | use string.find |
| 22:55.42 | Xinhuan | although it shouldn't make any difference... |
| 22:56.10 | Xinhuan | local _, _, ItemID = string.find(ItemLink, "item:(%d+):"); |
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| 22:57.06 | Xinhuan | btw, ItemID is a string when captured and returned from :find() or string.find or strfind() |
| 22:57.18 | kaiden | Stupid question, does the Quartz Flight Module actually work? I have never once seen it pop up a flight timer |
| 22:57.21 | Xinhuan | you have to usually convert this to a number |
| 22:57.25 | Xinhuan | using tonumber() |
| 22:57.58 | Xinhuan | keep that in mind |
| 22:59.13 | Xinhuan | kaiden: it only works if you have another addon that tracks flight times |
| 22:59.17 | KarlThePagan | kaiden, I think you have to select which flightpath data addon you use |
| 22:59.26 | Xinhuan | i.e you have a database of flighttimes from point X to Y |
| 22:59.28 | KarlThePagan | I had to go into it and set it to use ToFu |
| 23:00.35 | kaiden | ah ok, i'll have to get InFlight or what not |
| 23:00.51 | ccKep | cncfanatics: what's your addon to do later on? |
| 23:01.01 | kergoth | if you install inflight and enable the quartz flight timer, you see two timers |
| 23:01.03 | kergoth | bit annoying |
| 23:01.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:01.13 | kaiden | kergoth, ok so ToFU then? :) |
| 23:01.20 | cncfanatics | works now |
| 23:01.21 | cncfanatics | great |
| 23:01.27 | cncfanatics | thanks Xinhuan |
| 23:01.32 | Xinhuan | was the trick using tonumber() ? |
| 23:01.35 | cncfanatics | nope |
| 23:01.36 | kergoth | havent tried tofu with it yet.. its on my todo |
| 23:01.36 | cncfanatics | typo |
| 23:01.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:01.46 | kergoth | sadly, that todo is far too long, and i'm far too lazy |
| 23:01.49 | Xinhuan | note that you are still using STRING indexes atm |
| 23:01.54 | Xinhuan | unless you use tonumber() |
| 23:02.09 | cncfanatics | I want string indexes |
| 23:02.10 | cncfanatics | so thats np |
| 23:02.19 | ccKep | is the bag & slot number of every item important for your addon cnc? |
| 23:02.21 | Xinhuan | a subtle point that most people forget or overlook when they extract itemIDs out is to forget that its still a string |
| 23:02.28 | cncfanatics | ccKep, kinda |
| 23:02.39 | cncfanatics | u know its for FlexBar I supose |
| 23:02.43 | cncfanatics | I dont use action buttons so |
| 23:02.48 | ccKep | might want to look into multiple identical items |
| 23:02.58 | ccKep | because you overwrite their bag & slot due to same itemid |
| 23:03.07 | cncfanatics | doesnt matter does it ? |
| 23:03.14 | cncfanatics | if they're exactly the same item |
| 23:03.17 | ccKep | that what my question was actually ;) |
| 23:03.19 | cncfanatics | it doesnt matter which one I use in the first place |
| 23:03.24 | ccKep | different enchant? |
| 23:03.24 | cncfanatics | I did it by name |
| 23:03.34 | Xinhuan | different healthstones won't have the same itemID, but items with different enchant will |
| 23:03.38 | cncfanatics | before Xinhuan pointed me that healthstones and the like |
| 23:03.50 | cncfanatics | fuck items with diff enchants |
| 23:03.53 | Xinhuan | or different gems |
| 23:03.57 | cncfanatics | most enchanted gear is unique anyway |
| 23:04.03 | Xinhuan | i have 2 pairs of pvp bracers |
| 23:04.05 | Xinhuan | one for pvp and one for pve |
| 23:04.12 | Xinhuan | different enchant AND different gem in each |
| 23:04.15 | cncfanatics | ~sigh |
| 23:04.16 | purl | *sigh* |
| 23:04.25 | ccKep | actually, few armor types are unique atm |
| 23:04.33 | ccKep | no T4/5/6 piece is unique afaik |
| 23:04.37 | cncfanatics | how much people have multiple worth mentioning ? |
| 23:04.38 | Xinhuan | Veteran's bracers |
| 23:04.45 | Xinhuan | is an example |
| 23:04.54 | cncfanatics | first let me get this working |
| 23:04.59 | cncfanatics | then I'll look into enchants |
| 23:05.03 | Xinhuan | those pvp bracers are better than anything you can get from SSC/TK |
| 23:05.09 | Xinhuan | for pve purposes lol! |
| 23:05.16 | cncfanatics | bit silly aint it ? |
| 23:05.16 | ccKep | suprise ;) |
| 23:05.18 | Xinhuan | so many ppl grind that 12k honor |
| 23:05.21 | Xinhuan | for pve bracers |
| 23:05.27 | Xinhuan | funny, but true |
| 23:05.38 | Xinhuan | boots as well btw - but there's crafted boots |
| 23:05.44 | ccKep | cncfanatics: maybe you just want to index by ItemCache[bag][slot] = ItemId ? |
| 23:06.14 | cncfanatics | ccKep, I want to find out a bag & slot knowing only the item id |
| 23:06.18 | xyu | does anyone know why, no matter how many times i change my game resolution it stays the same when i hit apply? :( |
| 23:06.19 | cncfanatics | what use would indexing like that give me ? |
| 23:06.25 | ccKep | ah |
| 23:06.30 | Xinhuan | it doesn't really matter how it is cached - essentially everytime you have a INVENTORY_CHANGED event you have to modify or rebuild that cache |
| 23:06.32 | ccKep | joined halfway through the conversation |
| 23:06.45 | Xinhuan | how often do you use this cached table? |
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| 23:07.08 | Amadeo | anyone heard of Ralink wireless chipsets? |
| 23:07.40 | ccKep | dunno if it works, but: if you're already about to use string indexes, why not use the itemlink itself? |
| 23:08.01 | ccKep | would cover enchants and gems then |
| 23:09.27 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 23:09.30 | cncfanatics | let me figure something |
| 23:09.33 | cncfanatics | if blizzard supports it |
| 23:09.36 | cncfanatics | then I wil |
| 23:09.38 | cncfanatics | will* |
| 23:10.27 | Xinhuan | if it already supposed "item" action with "item:123" then it will in all likelihood support the full itemString |
| 23:10.38 | Xinhuan | i.e "item:1:2:3:4:5:6:7:8" |
| 23:10.44 | Xinhuan | supported* |
| 23:12.30 | ckknight | color stuffs: http://img467.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot081507131103me6.jpg |
| 23:12.38 | ckknight | basically, you have the wheel and three sliders |
| 23:12.49 | ckknight | as you drag a slider, the wheel + other sliders change |
| 23:12.59 | ckknight | as you drag the wheel, the sliders change color |
| 23:13.12 | ckknight | so if you make it more transparent, the wheel + value slider become more transparent |
| 23:13.29 | ckknight | seem cool? |
| 23:13.49 | ccKep | 1. looks cool |
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| 23:13.54 | ccKep | 2. lol @ you're level 6 :D |
| 23:14.01 | ckknight | I'm testing on my priest |
| 23:14.06 | ccKep | ;) |
| 23:14.08 | ckknight | it has all the right addons enabled |
| 23:14.11 | ckknight | nothing extra |
| 23:14.19 | Amadeo | omg ckknight is a girl |
| 23:14.22 | ckknight | zomg |
| 23:14.24 | ckknight | not irl |
| 23:14.27 | Amadeo | ur! |
| 23:14.28 | ckknight | <-- has a penis |
| 23:14.32 | mikma | shemale |
| 23:14.40 | ckknight | <-- A cup |
| 23:14.42 | Keias | Can you blame him? |
| 23:14.43 | ckknight | so, no |
| 23:14.49 | Keias | Male Draenei look retarded |
| 23:14.49 | ccKep | advice? |
| 23:14.52 | ccKep | -> go repair |
| 23:14.58 | cncfanatics | how can you temporary disable a button from getting clicks ? |
| 23:15.02 | cncfanatics | out of combat ofc |
| 23:15.03 | Amadeo | ckknight: I'm not sure if Hello Hello buttons are very good additions |
| 23:15.09 | Xinhuan | should the colorwheel be checkered? |
| 23:15.22 | ckknight | oh, yea, the buttonText is just the same as the name |
| 23:15.30 | ckknight | Xinhuan: because it's partially transparent. |
| 23:15.54 | ckknight | alternatively, instead of the wheel, I could make proper Hue/Saturation sliders instead |
| 23:15.57 | ckknight | I'm contemplating that |
| 23:16.00 | ckknight | but I dunno |
| 23:16.03 | Xinhuan | button:Disable(); |
| 23:16.07 | ckknight | seems more complex that way |
| 23:16.10 | Xinhuan | will disable it from getting click events |
| 23:16.20 | Xinhuan | in fact disable it from getting ANY mouse events |
| 23:17.21 | Xinhuan | so if there's 10 items that needs to have colours set - you will have 10 of those colorwheels showing? |
| 23:17.21 | cncfanatics | button:Enable puts it back how it was ? |
| 23:17.24 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 23:17.56 | kebinusan | heh. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/theSlacking1/Metroid.gif |
| 23:18.32 | Amadeo | hahaha |
| 23:18.37 | Amadeo | I wish that had some music |
| 23:18.53 | ccKep | aye, fantastic four time.. afk |
| 23:19.08 | Amadeo | is it sad that the spaceship is just a big helmet? |
| 23:20.20 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan |
| 23:20.29 | cncfanatics | think itemlink: Itemlink would work for secure buttons ? |
| 23:20.51 | Xinhuan | i don't know, it should |
| 23:20.57 | Xinhuan | what do you mean anyway? |
| 23:21.05 | Xinhuan | itemlink: Itemlink? |
| 23:21.11 | cncfanatics | yea |
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| 23:21.26 | Xinhuan | what do you mean |
| 23:27.28 | CIA-14 | 03kaelten * r46663 10KC_Items/KC_Items.lua: KC_Items: Fixed bug related to fence. |
| 23:28.21 | Kaydeethree | just as a heads-up to everyone, the background downloader has been activated for enUS. 54.6MB |
| 23:28.45 | Amadeo | Danger! Danger! |
| 23:29.21 | Xinhuan | time to start download woo |
| 23:29.32 | tinyboom | Kaelten: http://ace.pastey.net/72270 but i reckon that's what you fixed now:p |
| 23:29.46 | Amadeo | I must be the only one who just downloads it on patch day |
| 23:30.13 | tinyboom | Kaelten: and this weird bar: http://bildr.no/view/95147 screenshotted it:p |
| 23:30.48 | ckknight | so what do people think? stick with color wheel or have hue/saturation sliders? note: the sliders will be colorful themselves |
| 23:32.16 | Xinhuan | just choose one - the downside is that people can't choose the exact same colors on multiple places if you dont' use textboxes |
| 23:33.01 | Gagorian | ~seen Sole |
| 23:33.24 | purl | sole <n=chatzill@203.109.161.194> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 14h 2m 22s ago, saying: 'rofl'. |
| 23:33.43 | Yssaril | yea the wheel is not precise enough imo |
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| 23:36.22 | ckknight | Yssaril: there'd be edit boxes anyway |
| 23:36.49 | ckknight | Xinhuan: there'll be editboxes for H, S, V, R, G, B, A |
| 23:37.15 | ckknight | if I make em all sliders, then it adds that extra degree of consistency |
| 23:37.16 | ckknight | which is nice |
| 23:37.25 | Yssaril | hehe if there are editboxes and i can see what the new color is i am fine with whatever as long as it does not look cluttered |
| 23:38.39 | Xinhuan | how about just creating a new dialogbox for the colour selection, and in the config menus, just have a button that links to that dialog? |
| 23:38.57 | Xinhuan | i don't fancy seeing 10 of those colorwheels and 20 sliders if there's 10 things i can change colors |
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| 23:39.23 | Xinhuan | and you can make that dialog as complicated as you want |
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| 23:39.32 | Xinhuan | i.e just like how blizz does it now |
| 23:39.42 | Ominous | i know this is ot but does anyone know how to make a lan cs game a global server |
| 23:40.51 | Mudkips | would that work? |
| 23:41.00 | Cyrez | 1.6 or Source? |
| 23:41.01 | CIA-14 | 03jncl * r46664 10Skinner/ (14 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 23:41.01 | CIA-14 | Skinner: Removed ArgentDawnGrinder, GMail & oCD skins as they are no longer used |
| 23:41.01 | CIA-14 | - Fixed MiddleFrame FadeHeight bug |
| 23:41.01 | CIA-14 | - Fixed MiddleFrame movement bug |
| 23:41.01 | CIA-14 | - Fix for TinyTip Gathering Node tooltip colour |
| 23:41.02 | CIA-14 | - Fix for DropDown frames unskinned |
| 23:41.04 | CIA-14 | - Skinned WIM tooltip frame |
| 23:41.06 | Mudkips | I don't think your ISP would be happy about that Ominous |
| 23:41.41 | haste | why would the ISP complain about him putting up a CS server? |
| 23:41.56 | Ominous | Source |
| 23:42.05 | Cyrez | Er, dunno. |
| 23:42.10 | Ominous | it does |
| 23:42.12 | Ominous | its a console command |
| 23:42.14 | haste | just use port forwarding on your internet gateway Ominous |
| 23:42.27 | Ominous | heh |
| 23:42.28 | Ominous | huh* |
| 23:42.43 | haste | you have a router I guess? |
| 23:42.44 | Cyrez | In 1.6 it's sv_lan 0 and there's some other thing where you put in your external IP. |
| 23:42.55 | ckknight | no, Xinhuan, it's inline |
| 23:43.06 | ckknight | no popups |
| 23:43.19 | Cyrez | But sv_lan should be 0 by default. |
| 23:43.57 | Xinhuan | i think you missed the point - making it inline makes it look cluttered esp if there is going to be 8 editboxes |
| 23:44.13 | Xinhuan | so if there's 10 colors, there's going to be 80 editboxes |
| 23:46.07 | cncfanatics | i'm gonna end up hating my own code at this rate |
| 23:46.15 | cncfanatics | switching actions is shit |
| 23:46.36 | cncfanatics | but well, it works |
| 23:46.37 | cncfanatics | for now |
| 23:46.56 | ckknight | Xinhuan: actually 70 |
| 23:47.11 | Xinhuan | well yeah ~_~ |
| 23:47.16 | Amadeo | Owned! Only 70! |
| 23:47.18 | loonacy | Is there an event that fires when a hunter trap goes off? |
| 23:47.20 | Amadeo | lol |
| 23:47.28 | cncfanatics | loonacy, doubt it |
| 23:49.24 | Cyrez | Ominous: http://planethalflife.gamespy.com/View.php?view=HL2Guides.Detail&id=4&game=3 |
| 23:49.47 | Cyrez | Grrr, he left. >< |
| 23:50.24 | Xinhuan | you know what would be cool? a "copy color" button that copies the current color in the wheel to some internal variable, and a "paste color" button to apply that copied color to the current setting |
| 23:50.32 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r46665 10FlexBar2/ (Action/Action.lua Core.lua EventManager/EventManager.lua): (log message trimmed) |
| 23:50.32 | CIA-14 | FlexBar2: |
| 23:50.32 | CIA-14 | Core.lua: |
| 23:50.32 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.32 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.33 | CIA-14 | Action.lua: |
| 23:50.35 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.43 | cncfanatics | god things are SO shit once you move out of the regular action buttons |
| 23:50.50 | cncfanatics | now i'm gonna get some sleep |
| 23:50.54 | cncfanatics | got to wake up in 7 hours |
| 23:50.57 | cncfanatics | night all |
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| 23:55.22 | Xinhuan | i think a "copy font" might be useful as well |
| 23:55.35 | ckknight | Xinhuan: actually was going to do a color cache system |
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| 23:56.06 | Mecdemort | ok why does string.match(str,str) return nil? |
| 23:56.08 | silentium | quick noob question: there is no xor in lua, right? so I have to write (a and not b or not a and b) |
| 23:56.20 | Xinhuan | it returns nil if your str contains magic chars |
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| 23:56.42 | Xinhuan | such as . ? + - * \ etc |
| 23:56.43 | Mecdemort | hmm, how would i get around that |
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| 23:56.51 | Xinhuan | why would you match a str to itself? |
| 23:56.58 | Mecdemort | it only contains | : [ ] |
| 23:57.07 | Xinhuan | well [ ] has special meaning |
| 23:57.14 | Funkeh` | any way to make a torrent file out of the background downloader? |
| 23:57.15 | Xinhuan | in a strmatch |
| 23:57.24 | Kaydeethree | Funkeh`, it's in your Cache folder |
| 23:57.24 | Xinhuan | | and : doesn't |
| 23:57.27 | Mecdemort | im not specifically matching a string to itself, but if given as input it needs to return true |
| 23:57.35 | ckknight | Mecdemort: you could specify a raw find |
| 23:57.40 | Xinhuan | you will need to replace [ with \[ and ] with \] |
| 23:57.40 | ckknight | string.match(str, str, true) |
| 23:57.52 | Xinhuan | or do what ckknight said |
| 23:57.54 | ckknight | Xinhuan's wrong, % is the escape, not \ |
| 23:57.59 | Xinhuan | ah yes |
| 23:58.06 | Xinhuan | what ckknight said again |
| 23:58.20 | ckknight | silentium: what you can do: not a == not b |
| 23:58.30 | Mecdemort | basically "|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r":match("|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r") returns nil |
| 23:58.38 | xyu | How many healers do you guys run for Lurker (SSC)? |
| 23:58.39 | ckknight | silentium: that's actually nxor, though, for xor, do not a ~= not b |
| 23:58.47 | xyu | We run w/ 8 healers and it seems a bit high. |
| 23:58.54 | Xinhuan | yes that's because, like i said [] has special meaning |
| 23:58.56 | ckknight | Mecdemort: so put the true. |
| 23:59.09 | Mecdemort | bad agrument, number expected |
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| 23:59.31 | Xinhuan | use strfind instead of strmatch, and add the true |
| 23:59.34 | ckknight | oh, :match(str, 1, true) |
| 23:59.38 | ckknight | no, Xinhuan |
| 23:59.42 | ckknight | stop giving bad advice! |
| 23:59.46 | Xinhuan | fine! |
| 23:59.54 | silentium | ckknight: ah that looks much more elegant than using both variables twice, thanks for the tip |
