| 00:00.01 | Grum_ | because you dont have WhatIf.setInt defined SaladFork |
| 00:00.06 | Grum_ | dont ask me why - but you havent :) |
| 00:00.21 | Grum_ | lua is somewhat dodgy in that respect |
| 00:00.43 | SaladFork | I have WhatIf:setInt |
| 00:00.52 | *** join/#wowace darchon_ (i=darchon_@222.112.27.235) |
| 00:00.53 | SaladFork | And that worked for my other addon |
| 00:01.09 | Grum_ | did you also have a 'WhatIf' in your other addon ? :) |
| 00:01.24 | Antiarc | http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23407593-details/Homeowner+arrested+after+burglar+falls+out+of+a+third+floor+window/article.do <-- that's just messed up. |
| 00:01.44 | SaladFork | Here's my other addon |
| 00:01.45 | SaladFork | http://ace.pastey.net/72129 |
| 00:01.48 | SaladFork | It's incomplete |
| 00:01.52 | SaladFork | But all the options owrk |
| 00:01.54 | SaladFork | And notice how i have |
| 00:01.58 | SaladFork | set = "AddTrackItem", |
| 00:02.08 | SaladFork | And that calls Accomplish:AddTrackItem() with no problem |
| 00:02.28 | mjc | rawr |
| 00:02.56 | Grum_ | now the complete other one :) |
| 00:03.02 | SaladFork | ? |
| 00:03.04 | SaladFork | That is the complete other one |
| 00:03.07 | SaladFork | That's the whole Core.lua |
| 00:03.10 | SaladFork | And it works 100% |
| 00:03.16 | SaladFork | like it is in that pastey |
| 00:03.22 | SaladFork | But this new one is just being a little bitch, =( |
| 00:05.28 | Grum_ | yes but now the complete 'not working one' you only gave a snipet of the code |
| 00:05.35 | SaladFork | Okay |
| 00:05.39 | SaladFork | Let me give you guys the complete new one |
| 00:06.38 | *** part/#wowace Curney (n=chatzill@adsl-75-45-199-84.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:06.41 | SaladFork | How do I get a custom pastey.net prefix? =P |
| 00:06.56 | Grum_ | by pasting it faster than light |
| 00:07.11 | SaladFork | no, seriously |
| 00:07.16 | Grum_ | still waiting ;D |
| 00:08.37 | SaladFork | http://sf.pastey.net/72146-ucc0 |
| 00:08.56 | SaladFork | (notice my custom subdomain, hehe) |
| 00:09.01 | Silowyi | you just go to whatever.pastey.net |
| 00:09.06 | SaladFork | shhhh |
| 00:09.06 | Silowyi | and claim it |
| 00:09.32 | SaladFork | Grum - http://sf.pastey.net/72146-ucc0 |
| 00:09.39 | SaladFork | That's my whole Core.lua for my new addon |
| 00:09.42 | SaladFork | As it is right now |
| 00:10.02 | *** join/#wowace Diao (i=vschiu@ip72-211-249-44.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 00:10.06 | SaladFork | And I tried having the RegisterChatCommand both inside and outside OnInitialize, with no difference |
| 00:12.26 | Grum_ | and ofc i dont see what it is ;| |
| 00:12.44 | SaladFork | It looks like it should work |
| 00:12.47 | SaladFork | I have no idea why it doesn't |
| 00:12.48 | Grum_ | yup |
| 00:12.51 | Grum_ | blame blizzard |
| 00:13.25 | SaladFork | !g us aerie peak Spawns of Havoc |
| 00:13.28 | Silowyi | "http://sf.pastey.net/72149?hi=45,46,47,65 is how I do it. *shrug* |
| 00:13.37 | Grum_ | !g us aerie+peak Spawns of Havoc |
| 00:13.42 | SaladFork | !g us aerie peak, Spawns of Havoc |
| 00:13.42 | ThraeBot | SaladFork: could not find guild. |
| 00:15.00 | SaladFork | !ar 1431 |
| 00:15.01 | ThraeBot | SaladFork: Points given is above the threshold for conversion. Try a different number. Or perhaps you meant to convert ratings to points? Either way, you fail at life. |
| 00:15.45 | Saladin | GUTTED |
| 00:15.47 | Funkeh` | !g eu Silvermoon, Inner Sanctum |
| 00:15.49 | ThraeBot | Funkeh`: <Inner Sanctum> on Silvermoon has 187 members. [[ http://tinyurl.com/2atxch ]] |
| 00:15.54 | SaladFork | Funkeh, let's duel |
| 00:15.56 | SaladFork | What's your char? |
| 00:16.04 | Funkeh` | ? |
| 00:16.57 | Funkeh` | Thrae: you could hook that shit upto a rating website like http://www.wowjutsu.com/world/ and show guild rating |
| 00:17.16 | NightHawkTheSane | "Hey Major? How do you know what color to wear?" ".. We call each other every morning." |
| 00:17.20 | SaladFork | Funkeh - your char/server |
| 00:17.32 | Funkeh` | what about it? |
| 00:18.37 | SaladFork | What is it? >.< |
| 00:18.53 | NightHawkTheSane | (he wants to stalk you) |
| 00:19.50 | SaladFork | I want to duel, lol |
| 00:20.13 | Funkeh` | How can you duel me if we are not on the same server |
| 00:20.23 | SaladFork | Through ThraeBot |
| 00:20.52 | NightHawkTheSane | he wants to perform a fairly abstract comparison of your characters' relative statistics. |
| 00:20.56 | HarveyDent | I will duel you, Saladfork. |
| 00:21.14 | SaladFork | US Aerie Peak SaladFork |
| 00:21.22 | HarveyDent | US Arygos Velth |
| 00:21.33 | SaladFork | !vs us arygos Velth us aerie peak saladfork |
| 00:21.35 | ThraeBot | SaladFork: Velth vs Saladfork! A L70 rogue and a L70 mage square off!; 20/41/0 vs 10/0/51; Saladfork wins by 276 TBRs! |
| 00:21.44 | SaladFork | gd |
| 00:21.45 | Funkeh` | rofl |
| 00:21.51 | HarveyDent | what is a TBR?lol |
| 00:21.57 | SaladFork | !tbr |
| 00:22.19 | HarveyDent | !help tbr |
| 00:22.19 | ThraeBot | HarveyDent: You did not specify a valid command. You fail. |
| 00:22.20 | zenBot | ! In help: NameError: global name 'cmdz' is not defined |
| 00:22.30 | NightHawkTheSane | an abstract representation of your characters overall combat strength |
| 00:22.35 | SaladFork | ~tbr |
| 00:22.36 | purl | well, tbr is ThraeBot Ratings, an invention of Thrae for his ThraeBot. It works on a weighted logarithmic algorithm that, when used to compare two characters, tries to take which classes are fighting each other. |
| 00:22.52 | HarveyDent | and do what? |
| 00:23.08 | CIA-14 | 03candykiss * r46390 10FuBar_ToFu/FuBar_ToFu.toc: FuBar_ToFu: Fixed typo znCN->zhCN |
| 00:23.16 | SaladFork | !g us aerie peak, spawn of havoc |
| 00:23.17 | HarveyDent | tries to take that "logarithmic algorithm" and do what? |
| 00:23.18 | ThraeBot | SaladFork: <Spawn of Havoc> on Aerie Peak has 64 members. [[ http://tinyurl.com/2ntfp8 ]] |
| 00:23.48 | Funkeh` | !vs us aerie peak saladfork eu silvermoon kicko |
| 00:23.48 | ThraeBot | Funkeh`: saladfork vs kicko! It's a showdown! ...But wait, what's this?! kicko wins by 7488571 TBRs! Wow, that's GOTTA hurt. |
| 00:23.59 | SaladFork | >.< |
| 00:24.00 | SaladFork | rematch |
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| 00:24.49 | SaladFork | !vs us aerie peak saladfork eu silvermoon kicko |
| 00:24.50 | ThraeBot | SaladFork: Saladfork vs Kicko! A L70 mage and a L70 priest square off!; 10/0/51 vs 13/0/48; Kicko wins by 130 TBRs! |
| 00:24.54 | SaladFork | Nice |
| 00:26.31 | Silowyi | hmm |
| 00:26.41 | Silowyi | can druids get glancing blows? I can't recall ever seeing one. |
| 00:27.00 | Grum_ | !vs eu doomhammer xaros eu silvermoon kicko |
| 00:27.02 | ThraeBot | Grum_: Xaros vs Kicko! Two 70 priests square off!; 20/41/0 vs 13/0/48; Kicko wins by 81 TBRs! |
| 00:27.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't see why not |
| 00:27.08 | Grum_ | mean! |
| 00:27.10 | [dRaCo] | glancings have got nothing to do with classes |
| 00:27.10 | Gnarfoz | Silowyi: everyone gets them |
| 00:27.11 | Grum_ | holy > * |
| 00:27.26 | SaladFork | Hmm |
| 00:27.29 | SaladFork | I have a warlock |
| 00:27.39 | SaladFork | !vs us aerie peak tsukkie eu silvermoon kicko |
| 00:27.41 | ThraeBot | SaladFork: Tsukkie vs Kicko! A L70 warlock and a L70 priest square off!; 6/44/11 vs 13/0/48; Tsukkie wins by 2 TBRs! |
| 00:27.43 | SaladFork | Raped. |
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| 00:27.59 | Silowyi | does a glancing blow show up differently then a normal hit? |
| 00:28.03 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 00:28.10 | NightHawkTheSane | it has (glancing) following it. |
| 00:28.12 | Grum_ | yup |
| 00:28.19 | NightHawkTheSane | or something similar |
| 00:30.40 | Silowyi | hmm |
| 00:30.58 | Silowyi | lezze... |
| 00:31.03 | Silowyi | !vs us eu silvermoon kicko us whisperwind latency |
| 00:31.04 | ThraeBot | Silowyi: Armory parse error. You must have screwed up the command. You suck. |
| 00:31.08 | Silowyi | ... |
| 00:31.16 | Silowyi | !vs eu silvermoon kicko us whisperwind latency |
| 00:31.18 | ThraeBot | Silowyi: Kicko vs Latency! A L70 priest and a L70 mage square off!; 13/0/48 vs 0/7/54; Kicko wins by 109 TBRs! |
| 00:31.25 | Silowyi | >.> |
| 00:31.28 | Silowyi | What's a TBR? |
| 00:31.34 | [dRaCo] | ~tbr |
| 00:31.35 | purl | tbr is probably ThraeBot Ratings, an invention of Thrae for his ThraeBot. It works on a weighted logarithmic algorithm that, when used to compare two characters, tries to take which classes are fighting each other. |
| 00:31.49 | Silowyi | your priest slaughtered me |
| 00:31.55 | Silowyi | !vs eu silvermoon kicko us whisperwind silowyi |
| 00:31.58 | ThraeBot | Silowyi: Kicko vs Silowyi! A L70 priest and a L70 druid square off!; 13/0/48 vs 0/46/15; Kicko wins by 628 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 00:32.02 | Silowyi | ROFL |
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| 00:32.28 | Thorgard | !vs eu silvermoon kicko eu silvermoon kicko |
| 00:32.30 | ThraeBot | Thorgard: Kicko vs Kicko! Two 70 priests square off!; It's a tie! Wow! (850.1265387597 vs 850.1265387597) |
| 00:32.37 | SaladFork | lol |
| 00:32.53 | Silowyi | I wonder if I logged out in my tanking or healing gear |
| 00:33.45 | Antiarc | !vs us cenarion circle adrine us cenarion circle wraithedge |
| 00:33.46 | ThraeBot | Antiarc: adrine vs wraithedge! It's a showdown! ...But wait, what's this?! wraithedge wins by 3973034 TBRs! Wow, that's GOTTA hurt. |
| 00:33.49 | Antiarc | o.0 |
| 00:33.51 | Antiarc | What |
| 00:33.52 | Silowyi | cat dps gear |
| 00:34.00 | SaladFork | do it again |
| 00:34.04 | SaladFork | random event |
| 00:34.07 | Antiarc | !vs us cenarion circle adrine us cenarion circle wraithedge |
| 00:34.09 | ThraeBot | Antiarc: Adrine vs Wraithedge! Two 70 rogues square off!; Adrine wins by 6 TBRs! |
| 00:34.15 | Antiarc | Hooah? |
| 00:34.32 | Antiarc | I wonder what those points mean |
| 00:34.34 | Antiarc | Gear? Stats? |
| 00:34.37 | Silowyi | yeah |
| 00:34.39 | Antiarc | I logged in PVP gear, him in raid gear |
| 00:34.41 | Silowyi | I wonder too |
| 00:34.41 | Antiarc | So I dunno |
| 00:34.52 | sb | do !co |
| 00:34.56 | Silowyi | !vs us whisperwind latency us whisperwind silowyi |
| 00:34.57 | ThraeBot | Silowyi: latency vs silowyi! It's a showdown! ...But wait, what's this?! latency and silowyi cannot hold their feelings for each other any longer, and start getting frisky. I suppose make love, not war? |
| 00:34.57 | sb | instead of !vs |
| 00:35.05 | Antiarc | Also, I discovered last night, that arena gear in a WSG is fun, because nobody else in WSG ever has arena gear |
| 00:35.07 | Silowyi | ... |
| 00:35.10 | Silowyi | !vs us whisperwind latency us whisperwind silowyi |
| 00:35.12 | ThraeBot | Silowyi: Latency vs Silowyi! A L70 mage and a L70 druid square off!; 0/7/54 vs 0/46/15; Latency wins by 520 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 00:35.14 | Antiarc | So even though I'm a rogue, things just bounce off of me |
| 00:35.16 | sb | !co us cenarion circle adrine us cenarion circle wraithedge |
| 00:35.18 | ThraeBot | sb: Adrine vs Wraithedge! Two 70 rogues square off!; Wraithedge +71 melee hit; Wraithedge +2.05% dodge; Wraithedge +10 nature resist; Wraithedge +198 AP; Adrine +5.79% melee crit; Adrine +155 resilience; Adrine +480 HP; Adrine +3 Armour; Wraithedge +51.8 Melee DPS; Wraithedge has 2% more stats then Adrine. |
| 00:35.20 | Silowyi | pfft |
| 00:35.20 | Antiarc | And I can three-shot green-geared mages. |
| 00:35.36 | CIA-14 | 03gamefaq * r46391 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/ (ChatTabs.lua Paragraph.lua PopupMessage.lua Timestamps.lua): Prat: deDE Update |
| 00:35.48 | Silowyi | !co us whisperwind latency us whisperwind silowyi |
| 00:35.50 | ThraeBot | Silowyi: Latency vs Silowyi! A L70 mage and a L70 druid square off!; Latency +719 HP; Silowyi +220 +healing; Latency +10 arcane resist; Silowyi +80 melee hit; Silowyi +166.6 Melee DPS; Silowyi +10 nature resist; Latency +73 spell hit; Latency +332 spell crit; Latency +12 mana regen; Silowyi +29.18% dodge; Latency +3606 Mana; Silowyi +1180 AP; Silowyi +23.97% melee crit; Latency +233 resilience; La |
| 00:35.51 | ThraeBot | tency +829 +spelldmg/heal; Silowyi +1704 Armour; Silowyi +6 mp5; Silowyi has 2% more stats then Latency. |
| 00:36.34 | Silowyi | Well this thing is fubar for druids |
| 00:36.42 | Silowyi | in cat form Sil's AP is 2700+ |
| 00:36.54 | SaladFork | He's working on feral |
| 00:37.00 | Silowyi | ah |
| 00:37.17 | Silowyi | that explains why Sil got owned so handily by my mage... though my mage is getting pretty close to full season2 |
| 00:37.53 | Silowyi | !vs us whisperwind latency us whisperwind sadrina |
| 00:37.55 | ThraeBot | Silowyi: Latency vs Sadrina! A L70 mage and a L70 shaman square off!; 0/7/54 vs 19/42/0; Latency wins by 258 TBRs! |
| 00:38.14 | SaladFork | ooh, a fellow frost mage |
| 00:38.20 | Silowyi | ah well enough TB spam... back to figuring out how to scan talent trees and buffs |
| 00:38.22 | SaladFork | !vs us whisperwind latency us aerie peak saladfork |
| 00:38.23 | ThraeBot | SaladFork: latency vs saladfork! It's a showdown! ...But wait, what's this?! latency and saladfork cannot hold their feelings for each other any longer, and start getting frisky. I suppose make love, not war? |
| 00:38.25 | SaladFork | !vs us whisperwind latency us aerie peak saladfork |
| 00:38.26 | ThraeBot | SaladFork: Latency vs Saladfork! Two 70 mages square off!; 0/7/54 vs 10/0/51; Latency wins by 22 TBRs! |
| 00:38.29 | SaladFork | aww |
| 00:38.32 | SaladFork | let me guess, PvP? |
| 00:38.38 | SaladFork | !c us whisperwind latency |
| 00:38.41 | ThraeBot | SaladFork: Latency, Level 70 Gnome Mage (0/7/54). 8583 HP; 8186 Mana; 126 mana regen; 332 spell crit; 73 spell hit; 829 +spell dmg/heal; 5.38% dodge; 252 resilience; 10 arcane resist (+10);[[ TBR: 706 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2bk5p7 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3dw9ve ]] |
| 00:38.52 | SaladFork | yep, pvp mage |
| 00:39.09 | Silowyi | yup ^_^ |
| 00:39.27 | SaladFork | If you want to be a frost pvp mage, why not spec 17/0/44? |
| 00:39.33 | Silowyi | one sec |
| 00:39.44 | Gagorian | Has anyone else experienced issues with in-game voice chat on PTR turning peoples voices into chipmunks? |
| 00:39.58 | Gagorian | While ventrilo running simultaneously works fine |
| 00:40.09 | SaladFork | Maybe it's becaues ventirlo is running simultaneously? |
| 00:40.22 | Gagorian | Not everyone running ventrilo at the same time had the issue |
| 00:40.33 | Cyrez | Chhh-Chh-Chh-Chip & Dale! |
| 00:41.26 | mjc | lol |
| 00:41.32 | mjc | LOL |
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| 00:42.28 | Gagorian | I laughed so much at the people I tested with that they probably won't use it again.. ever. |
| 00:42.52 | Gagorian | -_- |
| 00:43.10 | Silowyi | SaladFork: T1 arcane offerings are lack-luster, arcane sub and 3/5 arcane focus only give you -15 target resistance, effectively less than a single cloak enchant |
| 00:44.18 | SaladFork | Sil - you go 17 for the improv. CS, >.< |
| 00:44.22 | Silowyi | for t2 you have a choice between clearcasting and magic absorption, I know a lot of mages actually take both of these, but I find magic absorption to underperform, clearcasting is nice, but I usually don't run out of mana unless we've done something wrong |
| 00:44.23 | Silowyi | right |
| 00:44.26 | SaladFork | Which is killer in PvP, especialyl against healers |
| 00:44.27 | Silowyi | I'm getting there |
| 00:44.28 | Silowyi | basically |
| 00:44.33 | Antiarc | !co us cenarion circle adrine us cenarion circle wraithedge |
| 00:44.36 | ThraeBot | Antiarc: Adrine vs Wraithedge! Two 70 rogues square off!; Adrine +56 melee hit; Wraithedge +1.87% dodge; Wraithedge +10 nature resist; Adrine +5 AP; Adrine +3.75% melee crit; Wraithedge +4 resilience; Wraithedge +80 HP; Wraithedge +47 Armour; Wraithedge +23.7 Melee DPS; Wraithedge has 3% more stats then Adrine. |
| 00:44.39 | Silowyi | you're spending 17 points to get a talent that is a 4 point silence |
| 00:44.45 | Silowyi | err 4 sec silence |
| 00:45.09 | Silowyi | that is 1. dispellable, 2. bubble-able |
| 00:45.19 | SaladFork | If I can make a pally bubble early on because I counterspelled him, the fight's already been won. |
| 00:45.24 | Antiarc | I wonder how it arrives at the melee DPS numbers |
| 00:45.30 | vithos | Antiarc: really high threat %'s on omen a few minutes ago: http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1017/wowscrnshot081207194117nq5.jpg |
| 00:45.34 | Antiarc | Wraith has 2x 97 DPS weapons, I have 2x 91 DPS |
| 00:45.42 | Antiarc | So that's +12, but I have more AP |
| 00:45.43 | Silowyi | better to simply interrupt him and get the much much longer spell class lockout |
| 00:45.53 | Antiarc | Well,+10.5 |
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| 00:46.02 | NightHawkTheSane | "Inertial dampers?" "... Cool! And, check! .. phasers?" "Sorry, sir." |
| 00:46.16 | SaladFork | Vith - nice pet name, >.< |
| 00:46.29 | Antiarc | Thanks vithos |
| 00:46.31 | Gagorian | vithos: Default UI *shivers* |
| 00:46.32 | vithos | ty :P |
| 00:46.35 | vithos | Gagorian: i know. |
| 00:46.40 | mjc | Antiarc is that realm or battlehroup? |
| 00:46.41 | vithos | but if i use a ton of addons i crash constantly |
| 00:46.43 | Silowyi | impact I use because of molten armor, having a greater than 10% chance to stun a rogue or fury warrior every second helps, lots |
| 00:46.46 | mjc | Group lol |
| 00:46.48 | vithos | so i'm getting used to it :/ |
| 00:46.49 | Antiarc | mjc: Huh? |
| 00:46.56 | Silowyi | not to mention the additional 5% crit reduction against melee, magic, and ranged. |
| 00:47.11 | Funkeh` | vithos: when cat durid is FITE do not ask for HEEL and NINERVATE |
| 00:47.12 | SaladFork | Sil - Um, improv. cs gives both |
| 00:47.16 | Silowyi | and flame throwing + gladiator's gloves gives me a 31 yard fire blast |
| 00:47.39 | Silowyi | SaladFork, the spell class lockout isn't affected by imp cs |
| 00:47.49 | SaladFork | But it does both in addition |
| 00:48.08 | SaladFork | Does it not? |
| 00:48.13 | Silowyi | 14 sec instead of 10 sec you mean? Yes I know, but that's essentially wasted |
| 00:48.44 | Antiarc | !co us cenarion circle adrine us cenarion circle cinara |
| 00:48.45 | SaladFork | I mean that their spell class gets 10sec lockout, while everything else gets 4 sec as well |
| 00:48.47 | ThraeBot | Antiarc: Adrine vs Cinara! A L70 rogue and a L70 warrior square off!; Adrine +207 melee hit; Cinara +5% block; Adrine +14.79% dodge; Cinara +10 arcane resist; Cinara +9 AP; Cinara +5.48% melee crit; Cinara +249 resilience; Cinara +2390 HP; Cinara +7187 Armour; Adrine +113.9 Melee DPS; Cinara has 4% more stats then Adrine. |
| 00:48.56 | SaladFork | Or is it 14? |
| 00:48.59 | SaladFork | I don't have it myself |
| 00:49.02 | mjc | hmm |
| 00:49.02 | Antiarc | That's just wrong -_- |
| 00:49.20 | Silowyi | I believe it's 4 secs for everything, then 10 additional for spell class |
| 00:49.24 | Silowyi | could be wrong |
| 00:49.33 | Thrae | Antiarc: The % stats has nothing to do with who is better then the other. |
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| 00:49.41 | Antiarc | Thrae: I meant the melee DPS number |
| 00:49.47 | SaladFork | That seems more accurate |
| 00:50.02 | Thrae | Antiarc: It shows the differences between the two characters, not their full stat |
| 00:50.09 | Antiarc | There's a 10.5DPS difference betwene my weapons and Wraithedge's weapons, but I have more AP, and he registers at +23 melee DPS over me. |
| 00:50.09 | Silowyi | TBH I haven't missed imp CS, I have missed clearcasting, but very rarely |
| 00:50.16 | Antiarc | I'm just wondering how that's calculated. |
| 00:50.42 | Thrae | Antiarc: AP != Melee DPS |
| 00:50.53 | Antiarc | Thrae: No, but AP feeds into melee DPS. |
| 00:50.59 | Silowyi | but 17/0/44 vs 0/7/54 gives you more room to play with in the frost tree, and molten armor/flame throwing |
| 00:51.18 | Silowyi | 14 AP = 1 DPS white damage |
| 00:52.06 | Silowyi | at lvl 60 anyway, dunno if that changed for lvl 70 |
| 00:52.06 | Antiarc | Well, 1 DPS * 0.74 + (%hit / 70) *(1 + crit%) ;) |
| 00:52.17 | Silowyi | however... |
| 00:52.18 | Thrae | Antiarc: I scrolled up and it says 113 Melee DPS difference |
| 00:52.25 | Antiarc | Thrae: That was Cinara |
| 00:52.26 | Silowyi | that's already taken into account on the paperdoll |
| 00:52.30 | Antiarc | Scroll further |
| 00:52.37 | Antiarc | Silowyi: No, it isn't |
| 00:52.39 | mjc | hmm |
| 00:52.50 | Silowyi | hmm is on mine, maybe that's a feature of theorycraft |
| 00:52.54 | Antiarc | the melee DPS number just gives you average weapon damage + AP / 14 |
| 00:53.02 | Silowyi | right that's what I meant |
| 00:53.17 | Antiarc | *shrug* |
| 00:53.19 | Thrae | I think on blizzy's site, they just show the average weapon damage |
| 00:53.21 | Silowyi | I was just referring to what I said, not your hit/crit calculation ^_^ |
| 00:53.27 | Antiarc | Ah, that'd do it |
| 00:53.30 | Antiarc | Hrm |
| 00:54.02 | Thrae | Crap, this torrent has 0 seeders |
| 00:54.20 | SaladFork | Thrae, thanks for reminding me |
| 00:54.24 | SaladFork | Holy shit! O_O |
| 00:54.40 | SaladFork | Total download: 1087kbps / Total Upload: 189kbps |
| 00:54.44 | Diao | holy shit |
| 00:54.45 | SaladFork | Torrents ftw. |
| 00:54.46 | Diao | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/12/yahaya_mahab_bill/ |
| 00:54.49 | Diao | i wonder how that's going to turn out |
| 00:55.15 | Antiarc | Ah, okay, I see, it's the average weapon damage that's doing it, I think |
| 00:55.21 | Thrae | SaladFork: You're talking per second, or just total for today? |
| 00:55.31 | SaladFork | Thrae - At this very moment |
| 00:55.42 | SaladFork | My total bandwidth limit on this connection is 2mbps |
| 00:55.46 | SaladFork | And I've never gotten anywhere near half |
| 00:55.46 | SaladFork | o.O |
| 00:55.47 | Thrae | SaladFork: kbps == kilobits? |
| 00:55.57 | SaladFork | kilobytes. |
| 00:56.07 | SaladFork | I can get 15megabits, 2megabytes |
| 00:56.08 | Thrae | SaladFork: That would be KBps or KB/s then ;) |
| 00:56.17 | SaladFork | My mistake, I was typing while still in shock |
| 00:56.34 | Thrae | Heh |
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| 00:59.48 | NightHawkTheSane | haha http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/011285.html |
| 01:01.06 | CIA-14 | 03funkydude * r46392 10AtlasLoot/filelist.wau: AtlasLoot: remove WAU file since these folders are separate addons entirely, it just caused problems |
| 01:02.07 | Cyrez | Kemayo: Just the person I was looking for! ^^ |
| 01:02.20 | Kemayo | What can I do you for? |
| 01:02.53 | Cyrez | Still having the LoD issue with AuldLangSyne, but I solved it. |
| 01:03.18 | Cyrez | I hacked Fu/Fu.lua and put in a local for Babble-Class-2.2 then it was all happy. |
| 01:03.47 | Cyrez | It was causing RollCall to complain when it tried to do something that needed that lib. |
| 01:04.10 | Cyrez | I'm not a coder so it was the only thing I could think of. |
| 01:04.31 | Cyrez | Unless there's a way to load a lib without giving it a local. |
| 01:06.09 | Cyrez | RollCall needs it or the addon just takes a crap if you so much as mouseover the icon. |
| 01:06.09 | Arrowmaster | sounds like it could be a rollcall issue then |
| 01:06.42 | Cyrez | No, it's not... RollCall just can't do certain things if Babble-Class isn't loaded, and it will tell you if you try. |
| 01:06.45 | CIA-14 | 03sylvanaar * r46393 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/PopupMessage.lua: Prat: Fixed a slow down when debugging is on |
| 01:07.28 | Arrowmaster | Cyrez: do you have a copy of the error? |
| 01:07.58 | Cyrez | Not at the moment but I can get it easily enough. |
| 01:09.09 | SaladFork | args.set.args.intellect: "getInt" is not a proper function |
| 01:09.10 | SaladFork | from: |
| 01:09.11 | SaladFork | http://sf.pastey.net/72152-28bh |
| 01:09.13 | SaladFork | Anyone know why? |
| 01:09.46 | sylvanaar | the aceevent UIDs are no longer working |
| 01:10.46 | Kemayo | It's one of those things that can only be a problem if you're running unembedded, and don't use anything else that would load that particular Babble module, I think. |
| 01:11.49 | Cyrez | Exactly. |
| 01:11.50 | CIA-14 | 03kemayo * r46394 10AuldLangSyne/Fu/Fu.lua: |
| 01:11.50 | CIA-14 | AuldLangSyne: |
| 01:11.50 | CIA-14 | -Fu: Force a load of Babble-Class-2.2 to fix problems for those running disembedded. |
| 01:12.12 | Cyrez | [2007/08/12 18:11:08-1078-x1]: AuldLangSyne-r45536\Info\Info.lua:177: TheSocial-1.0: Cannot call `GetClassColor' without Babble-Class-2.2 loaded. |
| 01:12.24 | Cyrez | <3 |
| 01:12.25 | sylvanaar | unembedded doesnt have load failures |
| 01:13.38 | Cyrez | TY, that fixed it. :) |
| 01:13.49 | Arrowmaster | rollcall optionally uses babble-class, if hes using the funtions of rollcall that need babble-class then he needs to force it to load before using those functions |
| 01:13.58 | sylvanaar | assuming the library is installed of course |
| 01:14.49 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: look at rollcall code, it never loads babble-class |
| 01:14.54 | Cyrez | Yeah, that's exactly what I did, lol. |
| 01:14.57 | sylvanaar | rollcall should be doing that itself |
| 01:15.11 | Arrowmaster | no it shouldnt the way its coded |
| 01:15.16 | Diao | hmm |
| 01:15.17 | Diao | anyone know why |
| 01:15.19 | Arrowmaster | its an optional library |
| 01:15.20 | Diao | mages spam detect magic |
| 01:15.23 | Diao | before sheeping a pally? |
| 01:16.05 | sylvanaar | um, it should declare a local, and set it at the point of first use |
| 01:16.35 | sylvanaar | that will cause it to be loaded when first used |
| 01:17.06 | Arrowmaster | doing that would mean making it a required dependancy |
| 01:18.19 | Arrowmaster | wow the code for rollcall and thesocial look so similair |
| 01:18.19 | sylvanaar | no it would not |
| 01:19.11 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46395 10Relog/parse.lua: Relog - Bug fix if 0 filtered results and the combat log is looping |
| 01:19.34 | sylvanaar | you just put AceLibrary:HasInstance("Babble-Class-2.2") and AceLibrary("Babble-Class-2.2") |
| 01:19.58 | Arrowmaster | go look at the code, its doing the assigning in the external function |
| 01:20.02 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 01:20.08 | sylvanaar | thats cause its a library |
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| 01:21.03 | sylvanaar | it can check those values for nil and try and set them later before it tries to use them |
| 01:22.25 | Kemayo | Arrowmaster: Yeah... I wanted a friends list library, and I thought that I might as well have it use the same api as RollCall, since it was already there. |
| 01:23.10 | CIA-14 | 03mecdemort * r46396 10Baggins_AnywhereBags/Core.lua: Baggins_AnywhereBags: - Reduced search spam. |
| 01:23.25 | Arrowmaster | the functions in both should probably be changed to do a AceLibrary:HasInstance("Babble-Class-2.2") when the functions are called and BC = nil |
| 01:24.02 | Arrowmaster | so it only loads it if those functions are called |
| 01:24.12 | Arrowmaster | not when the library loads |
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| 01:26.14 | SaladFork | !c us aerie peak tammage |
| 01:26.16 | ThraeBot | SaladFork: tammage is not the character you are looking for! |
| 01:26.26 | SaladFork | !c us aerie peak tamorty |
| 01:26.27 | ThraeBot | SaladFork: tamorty is not the character you are looking for! |
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| 01:26.38 | SaladFork | !c us aerie peak tammorty |
| 01:26.40 | ThraeBot | SaladFork: tammorty is not the character you are looking for! |
| 01:26.51 | SaladFork | !c us aerie peak tammorti |
| 01:26.52 | ThraeBot | Sorry SaladFork, you must wait 3 seconds before making another request. |
| 01:26.54 | SaladFork | !c us aerie peak tammorti |
| 01:26.58 | ThraeBot | SaladFork: Tammorti, Level 70 Troll Mage (40/0/21). 6283 HP; 10331 Mana; 151 mana regen; 23 mp5; 281 spell crit; 92 spell hit; 609 +spell dmg; 318 frost dmg (927); 139 arcane dmg (748); 179 shadow dmg (788); 139 fire dmg (748); 5.1% dodge; +10 all resists;[[ TBR: 699 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2zhfzx ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2q8poh ]] |
| 01:27.25 | sylvanaar | >< |
| 01:27.40 | SaladFork | My vent audience couldn't spell it correctly |
| 01:27.41 | SaladFork | XD |
| 01:28.48 | CIA-14 | 03sylvanaar 07dev * r46397 10Interview/ (Interview.lua Interview.toc): Interview: see if this will still run |
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| 01:41.57 | CIA-14 | 03kemayo * r46398 10TheSocial-1.0/TheSocial-1.0/TheSocial-1.0.lua: |
| 01:41.57 | CIA-14 | TheSocial-1.0: |
| 01:41.57 | CIA-14 | -Load Babble-Zone and Babble-Class on-demand. |
| 01:42.24 | Kemayo | ...I could have phrased that better. |
| 01:42.42 | SaladFork | Seems more like a command than an update report |
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| 01:44.53 | Xuerian | Saint-N, art3mis: Ping |
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| 01:49.16 | CIA-14 | 03sylvanaar 07dev * r46399 10Interview/Interview.lua: Interview: works |
| 01:52.07 | Xuerian | sylvanaar: Interview? o.0 |
| 01:54.42 | NightHawkTheSane | with a vampire? |
| 01:57.35 | sylvanaar | old code, i wanted to play with |
| 01:58.09 | mjc | wassitdoo |
| 02:04.46 | rubik | hmm.. so i'm gonna ditch saeris' lootlink.. can't stand how it doesn't cache profession links |
| 02:04.51 | rubik | what to replace it with? |
| 02:05.00 | Chompers | ItemDB |
| 02:05.47 | ZealotOnAStick | I like Ludwig, personally. |
| 02:06.06 | rubik | does ludwig cache profession (orange) links? |
| 02:12.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ludwig doesn't cache anything. it just uses your local item cache |
| 02:27.57 | CIA-14 | 03arrowmaster * r46400 10DKPmon_eqDKP/exportmod.lua: DKPmon_eqDKP: more attempts at working CTRT xml, have I ever mentioned how much I hate CTRT xml and more importantly the CTRT plugin for eqDKP |
| 02:32.03 | Arrowmaster | so get this, the CTRT xml has the big section in it called PlayerInfos holding the name race class and level of every player in the log, but CTRT eqDKP plugin doesnt ever check it, instead it checks for the exact same fucking stuff in the Join section |
| 02:32.11 | Arrowmaster | ~whaleslap CTRT |
| 02:32.20 | purl | ACTION beats CTRT upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 02:34.01 | rubik | doesn't it check join array to determine when people joined and how long they were there, etc.? |
| 02:34.21 | rubik | been a while since i messed with parsing all that stuff though but that's what i was checking the join array for |
| 02:35.27 | Arrowmaster | yes it does |
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| 02:36.18 | Arrowmaster | so the join array has to be perty much a copy of the PlayerInfos array but with 1 extra thing |
| 02:36.40 | Arrowmaster | infact the PlayerInfos array is completely useless for importing to eqDKP |
| 02:38.08 | CC--home | is aLOFT worth using? or sticking with default bliz ? |
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| 02:40.59 | sb | NightHawkTheSane: but it still uses 2mb memory? :o |
| 02:41.06 | NightHawkTheSane | try it and make your own damn decision and stop letting others think for you. |
| 02:41.18 | sb | (ludwig) |
| 02:41.31 | NightHawkTheSane | sb: *shrug* i don't use it and didn't make it, so i don't know. |
| 02:41.38 | sb | meh :) |
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| 02:43.40 | CIA-14 | 03taburiss * r46401 10Fence/Core.lua: |
| 02:43.40 | CIA-14 | Fence: |
| 02:43.40 | CIA-14 | - Locale-zhCN updated. |
| 02:47.24 | SaladFork | CC-Home - I'm using it, and it's using less CPU than Recount |
| 02:47.33 | SaladFork | It's VERY customizable |
| 02:47.34 | SaladFork | I love it, =) |
| 02:47.48 | SaladFork | It's converted me from a "nameplates shown only every so often" to "nameplates always on" |
| 02:48.37 | CIA-14 | 03arrowmaster * r46402 10DKPmon_eqDKP/exportmod.lua: DKPmon_eqDKP: dont create the useless PlayerInfos section of the CTRT xml anymore |
| 02:59.27 | PProvost | Does anyone know who owns the healing module for Violation? |
| 03:01.45 | Bruners | hmm, 10 games 5v5 with 1500 will give me how many points? |
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| 03:02.07 | ulic | !ap 1500 |
| 03:02.08 | ThraeBot | ulic: Arena points from a rating of 1500 is, 2v2: 263, 3v3: 300, 5v5: 376 |
| 03:02.30 | Arrowmaster | PProvost: the effective healing one? |
| 03:02.41 | PProvost | I own that one. :) |
| 03:02.43 | PProvost | The other one. |
| 03:02.47 | PProvost | I'm fixing that one. |
| 03:02.48 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 03:02.57 | PProvost | But I'd rather the code got rolled into the main one. |
| 03:03.00 | PProvost | As a toggle. |
| 03:03.06 | PProvost | It is simply "Ignore OOC healing" |
| 03:03.12 | Arrowmaster | doesnt yours have a logic bug? |
| 03:03.24 | PProvost | They changed the registration function and I didn't update it. |
| 03:03.26 | PProvost | Fixing it now. |
| 03:03.35 | Arrowmaster | not that |
| 03:03.45 | Arrowmaster | people said it only tracked OOC healing |
| 03:03.51 | PProvost | I'll check it |
| 03:04.21 | Arrowmaster | yeah it does |
| 03:04.37 | PProvost | Yep |
| 03:04.38 | Arrowmaster | if not source or not victim or amount == 0 or not self:AcceptDataFor( source ) or InCombatLockdown() then return end |
| 03:05.07 | PProvost | lol |
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| 03:05.07 | PProvost | I wrote it in 30 seconds. WHoops. |
| 03:05.07 | Arrowmaster | shows how much you use it |
| 03:05.07 | PProvost | I wrote it for a guildie. I'm a tank. |
| 03:05.25 | PProvost | They ended not switching away from SWS and so it got forgotten. |
| 03:05.35 | PProvost | Now another wants to use it and it isn't working. :) |
| 03:05.42 | PProvost | So I'm finally fixing it. |
| 03:05.43 | PProvost | haha |
| 03:06.20 | Arrowmaster | i dont know about putting that feature into the main one, since its only tracking if your in combat not the source/victim |
| 03:06.39 | PProvost | It tracks everything the main healing mod does but only if in combat. |
| 03:06.51 | PProvost | (Assume the corrected logic) |
| 03:07.06 | PProvost | Which is what the SWStats "Effective Healing" report is. |
| 03:07.22 | PProvost | raw_healing - overheal - ooc_healing |
| 03:07.24 | Arrowmaster | only if your in combat, if you go afk on trash it might not catch stuff |
| 03:07.44 | PProvost | Does AFK unset the IsCombatLockdown() call? |
| 03:08.10 | Arrowmaster | no, but if your afk you wont go into combat unless they pull the mobs to you |
| 03:08.26 | PProvost | Basically they want to be able to turn off OOC healing. |
| 03:08.42 | Arrowmaster | since theres no instance wide incombat for trash like there is for bosses |
| 03:09.01 | PProvost | I thought "or not InCombatLockdown()" would do it. No? |
| 03:09.24 | Arrowmaster | thats only if your in combat, not the rest of your party |
| 03:09.54 | PProvost | Ahh christ. Gotcha. |
| 03:10.07 | PProvost | Ummmm |
| 03:10.08 | Arrowmaster | example being your a rogue running it, group pulls trash and you go around pickpocketing all the mobs before attacking |
| 03:10.25 | PProvost | And...? You are a rogue. You don't heal. |
| 03:11.06 | Arrowmaster | what if your a rogue and the guildmaster/raidleader and you need to see that data? |
| 03:12.06 | PProvost | Gotcha |
| 03:12.25 | PProvost | So I need to check the "in-combat-ness" of the unit sending that bit of data? |
| 03:12.44 | Arrowmaster | that or the victim |
| 03:12.50 | PProvost | Right |
| 03:13.21 | Arrowmaster | maybe source too |
| 03:13.37 | PProvost | Source will be in combat is the victim is. |
| 03:13.43 | PProvost | s/is/if/ |
| 03:14.02 | Arrowmaster | yeah although the victim might not be but the source is |
| 03:14.19 | PProvost | Hmmm... does that put the victim in combat? |
| 03:14.26 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 03:14.30 | PProvost | If an in-combat healer heals them? Interesting. |
| 03:16.03 | Arrowmaster | and i would probably want to count the data if the source is incombat since if you got some moron rogue stealthing up to some mob with low health and could die from a single aoe its still combat data |
| 03:16.39 | PProvost | Yeah, I think I'll just exclude if victim is OOC |
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| 03:17.47 | Arrowmaster | shouldnt be that much more overhead to check both and exclude if both OOC |
| 03:20.33 | Arrowmaster | if UnitEffectingCombat(victimid) or UnitEffectingCombat(roster:GetUnitIDFromName(source)) then |
| 03:20.51 | Arrowmaster | shouldnt even bother to lookup the source unitid unless the victim is OOC that way |
| 03:22.28 | ZealotOnAStick | Funkeh` or any of the other main BigWigs folks on? |
| 03:22.41 | Funkeh` | maybe |
| 03:22.54 | Silowyi | hmm |
| 03:22.55 | ZealotOnAStick | you need/want transcript from Shade of Akama? |
| 03:22.56 | PProvost | Yeah, I just wrote that. Thanks Arrow |
| 03:23.02 | Silowyi | !vs whisperwind dilana whisperwind latency |
| 03:23.13 | Silowyi | !vs us whisperwind dilana us whisperwind latency |
| 03:23.17 | ThraeBot | Silowyi: Dilana vs Latency! A L70 priest and a L70 mage square off!; 29/32/0 vs 0/7/54; Dilana wins by 24 TBRs! |
| 03:23.28 | Funkeh` | ZealotOnAStick: no thanks, nothing really to do there |
| 03:23.34 | Silowyi | Boo... holy priest vs frost mage pvp? :p |
| 03:23.39 | ZealotOnAStick | ok. Wave timers would be nice. |
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| 03:24.02 | Arrowmaster | Funkeh`: lurker whirl timer seems about 3 seconds too long according to my guildies |
| 03:25.13 | Funkeh` | Arrowmaster: I'll check it out later today |
| 03:26.55 | PProvost | So Arrow, I still think this belongs in the main Violation. At least as a toggle. |
| 03:26.59 | PProvost | :D |
| 03:27.04 | Arrowmaster | now sure |
| 03:27.18 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt have agreed with just an IsCombatLockdown() check |
| 03:27.19 | PProvost | People ask for the feature. Must be a reason. |
| 03:27.26 | PProvost | Compeltely agree. That was dumb. |
| 03:27.34 | PProvost | I mean this way that we just discussed. |
| 03:28.04 | durcyn | Funkeh`: posted a transcript of new archimonde, fear timer is changed |
| 03:28.22 | Funkeh` | thanks |
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| 03:37.54 | Funkeh` | fucking random bullshit |
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| 03:43.54 | CIA-14 | 03funkydude * r46403 10BigWigs/Hyjal/Archimonde.lua: BigWigs: Hyjal/Archimonde: adjust timers somewhat for hotfix |
| 03:45.18 | CIA-14 | 03grayhoof * r46404 10EavesDrop/ (EavesDrop.lua libs/): EavesDrop: Converted to using AceEvent for OnUpdate. Removed Metrognome |
| 03:45.48 | Thorgard | !c us uldaman neneca |
| 03:45.52 | ThraeBot | Thorgard: Neneca, Level 70 Draenei Shaman (0/5/56). 7049 HP; 9033 Mana; 239 mana regen; 132 mp5; 9143 Armour; 4.11% melee crit; 3 spell crit; 118 +spell dmg; 1390 +heal; 4.11% dodge; 5% block; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 497 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2a87bk ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2vfgfb ]] |
| 03:46.56 | vithos | Antiarc: still here? |
| 03:47.03 | CIA-14 | 03funkydude * r46405 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Race-2.2/Babble-Race-2.2.lua: Babble-2.2: Race: deDE fix |
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| 03:50.19 | Funkeh` | later |
| 03:52.38 | Keias | !ap 470 |
| 03:52.39 | ThraeBot | Keias: Rating given is above the threshold for conversion. Try a different number. Or perhaps you meant to convert points to ratings? Either way, you fail at life. |
| 03:52.44 | Keias | !ar 470 |
| 03:52.44 | ThraeBot | Keias: Arena rating from 470 points is, 2v2: 1735, 3v3: 1673, 5v5: 1582 |
| 03:53.04 | Wobwork | wow |
| 03:53.08 | Wobwork | Thraebot's insulting =P |
| 03:53.28 | Arrowmaster | thats a bad thing? |
| 03:53.39 | Wobwork | I thought she was so polite about missing api pages |
| 03:53.43 | Wobwork | !api frogs |
| 03:53.45 | ThraeBot | Wobwork: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_frogs |
| 03:58.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobwork: thraebot's obviously a pve carebare who likes developers. :P |
| 03:58.58 | Silowyi | ThraeBot is also somewhat wrong, 470 isn't above the threshold for conversion... its below it :P |
| 03:59.46 | Silowyi | ok |
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| 04:00.12 | Silowyi | how do I mine for buffs/talents/debuffs (or fish) that affect chance to hit :P |
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| 04:04.33 | CIA-14 | 03sayclub * r46407 10BigWigs/Hyjal/Archimonde.lua: |
| 04:04.33 | CIA-14 | BigWigs: Hyjal/Archimonde: |
| 04:04.33 | CIA-14 | - Fixed localization koKR |
| 04:06.15 | Silowyi | I suppose that's a cue to visit the FrameXML again |
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| 04:06.56 | Herio | hmm |
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| 04:08.54 | Herio | so I'm trying to make a prat module to block messages that contain links to items specified by the user... in specific channels |
| 04:09.12 | Herio | does it make sense to be doing this in Prat_PreAddMessage |
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| 04:10.02 | Arrowmaster | isnt there a filters module for prat |
| 04:10.13 | CIA-14 | 03grayhoof * r46408 10sctd/sctd.lua: sctd: Damage Shield display fix |
| 04:11.55 | Herio | hmm? |
| 04:12.11 | Herio | oh wow |
| 04:12.18 | Herio | I should look at that >.> |
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| 04:17.52 | Silowyi | wow |
| 04:17.57 | Silowyi | hmm here's a question |
| 04:18.22 | NightHawkTheSane | 42 |
| 04:18.26 | Silowyi | how can you tell if something like http://www.thottbot.com/s33602 is being applied to a debuff on the monster you're fighting, if you are not the caster |
| 04:18.44 | Silowyi | a.k.a. if you have a balance druid in your group. |
| 04:19.13 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm going to go with.. "you ask your druid if he has that talent" |
| 04:19.14 | Arrowmaster | you cant |
| 04:19.21 | Silowyi | fudge |
| 04:20.07 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, until blizzard can really get their act together wrt tooltips, there's no real way to do that |
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| 04:21.59 | Herio | okay |
| 04:22.14 | Herio | I looked at the prat filtering module and it doesn't do what I'm looking for =( |
| 04:22.30 | Arrowmaster | whats it do? |
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| 04:23.53 | realspkr | Good evening, anyone awake? |
| 04:24.21 | Snago_ | aye |
| 04:24.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Any one here a druid? |
| 04:25.01 | Guillotine | aye |
| 04:25.05 | Guillotine | IRL too |
| 04:25.07 | SaladFork | I have a druid alt, what's up? |
| 04:25.28 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm just curious about talent progression, as I just hit 10 on mine..>.> :P |
| 04:25.38 | SaladFork | What spec you want to go? |
| 04:25.41 | realspkr | Anyone able to provide technical support (I found a potential bug) for AceLocale? |
| 04:25.44 | Arrowmaster | feral |
| 04:25.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Feral. |
| 04:25.58 | Arrowmaster | realspkr: what bug? |
| 04:26.05 | SaladFork | Night - http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=zZxGGsfroekioVxhz |
| 04:26.12 | SaladFork | That will work 100% for both bear and cat |
| 04:26.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Mostly, I'm just wondering if I should just head straight up the feral tree, or ifit's worth picking up nature's grasp,or anything else before filling that out |
| 04:26.26 | realspkr | A missing translation I think, for "The battle of Mount Hyjal" |
| 04:26.32 | realspkr | lemee reproduce it, one sec |
| 04:26.35 | Guillotine | NightHawk: basically, never get Feral Aggression |
| 04:26.51 | Guillotine | and nurturing instinct kind of sucks as well at the moment |
| 04:27.14 | Guillotine | and if you're taking Survival of hte Fittest, take it for the crit reduction, not the stat boost |
| 04:27.27 | NightHawkTheSane | well, obviously :P |
| 04:27.34 | realspkr | AceLocale-2.2.lua:487:Babble-Zone-2.2:Translation "The Battle for Mount Hyjal" does not exist |
| 04:27.57 | Arrowmaster | can you provide a debugstack |
| 04:28.05 | realspkr | How does one do that? |
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| 04:28.12 | Arrowmaster | are you using bugsack? |
| 04:28.16 | Arrowmaster | or even swatter |
| 04:28.24 | realspkr | I am familiar with Lua (some) so I can check other things as well. |
| 04:28.51 | realspkr | No, want me to add one and do it. It's reproduceable every time. |
| 04:29.12 | Arrowmaster | yeah get the addons !buggrabber and bugsack |
| 04:29.48 | realspkr | Hmm, Where is a good place to ge them from? |
| 04:29.59 | Arrowmaster | files.wowace.com |
| 04:30.27 | realspkr | on it, give me a moment |
| 04:32.09 | realspkr | relaoding WoW totally, just in case |
| 04:33.38 | realspkr | ... |
| 04:33.46 | realspkr | now it doesn't happen |
| 04:34.06 | realspkr | I hate those... |
| 04:34.25 | Wobwork | always happens =P |
| 04:34.45 | realspkr | tunign bug* off |
| 04:34.52 | realspkr | turning |
| 04:35.15 | realspkr | not it happens, trying only bugtracker |
| 04:35.19 | realspkr | *now it happens |
| 04:35.39 | realspkr | err buggrabber |
| 04:37.01 | realspkr | Err, may have been my ignorance... one sec... |
| 04:39.12 | realspkr | okie, so It happens when BugGrabber is running, but not BugStack |
| 04:39.51 | realspkr | in fact, when bugstack is running, it looks like buggrabber ins't even loading -- or at least the /buggrabber command acts as if it's undefined |
| 04:40.01 | Arrowmaster | thats how it works |
| 04:40.10 | Arrowmaster | use /bugsack |
| 04:40.24 | realspkr | Ohh. okie, tryiug again |
| 04:40.43 | Arrowmaster | and you should be able to get a nice window to copy from |
| 04:40.54 | realspkr | I didn't get a message that there was an error. I'll see in a moment : ) |
| 04:40.54 | Arrowmaster | when you get the error put it on ace.pastey.net |
| 04:41.06 | Arrowmaster | and link the url in here |
| 04:44.55 | Arrowmaster | im gona start a movie, just say my nick if you need me again |
| 04:45.30 | realspkr | almost done |
| 04:45.30 | realspkr | pasting now |
| 04:45.30 | realspkr | http://ace.pastey.net/72154 |
| 04:45.32 | realspkr | Arrowmaster |
| 04:45.34 | realspkr | : ) |
| 04:45.48 | Arrowmaster | k |
| 04:46.29 | realspkr | I dont think it's a big deal, looks like an assert that gets handled internally... |
| 04:46.41 | Arrowmaster | what are you doing to get this error? |
| 04:46.48 | realspkr | loading the mod : ) |
| 04:46.58 | realspkr | It's part of my Altal install |
| 04:47.02 | realspkr | *Atlas |
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| 04:48.30 | realspkr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:50.55 | Arrowmaster | if you disable atlas it goes away? |
| 04:51.26 | realspkr | Hmm, Atlas has a ton of parts, but I think many or all are dependant... let me try |
| 04:52.00 | realspkr | Atlas Loot isn't dependant... lets see |
| 04:52.45 | Arrowmaster | other than that i would try disabling FuBar_LocationFu and see if it goes away |
| 04:53.35 | realspkr | *selfbonk* I shoudl have looked more closely at the dump. it's in atalsloot, and there is a Fu module in it. I"ll target that specifically |
| 04:54.08 | realspkr | Disabling AtlatLootFu |
| 04:54.41 | cladhaire | !ap 1470 |
| 04:54.42 | ThraeBot | cladhaire: Arena points from a rating of 1470 is, 2v2: 255, 3v3: 291, 5v5: 364 |
| 04:55.04 | Arrowmaster | im not sure but i think its due to an outdated touristlib embeded inside fubar_locationfu |
| 04:55.40 | realspkr | nope, trying FuBar now. |
| 04:56.23 | realspkr | Ohh, I didn't update FuBar, that might be old... Hmm... |
| 04:56.53 | Arrowmaster | sure its not fubar_locationfu? |
| 04:57.34 | realspkr | I prolly is. |
| 04:57.38 | realspkr | It |
| 04:57.38 | Arrowmaster | because from that debugstack it looks like its really old |
| 04:58.09 | Arrowmaster | download a new fubar_locationfu from files.wowace.com |
| 04:59.03 | realspkr | Yeah, turning that off stopped it. Getting the new versions now. Thank you -- sadly, I shoudl have been able to deduce that once I had the dump... |
| 04:59.33 | Arrowmaster | actually that dump was a little confusing |
| 05:00.01 | Arrowmaster | i realized touristlib was really really outdated from the 'Tourist-2.0-24128:1708:' |
| 05:00.09 | realspkr | heh |
| 05:00.40 | realspkr | I keep my addons and variables in subversion to keep carious machines in sync, but sometimes I forget to update something |
| 05:01.27 | realspkr | *various machines |
| 05:01.37 | realspkr | I just did a mass update and missed a few |
| 05:02.36 | realspkr | That seems to hav done the trick. Thank you |
| 05:02.51 | Arrowmaster | i think kergoth used to do that with svk |
| 05:03.25 | realspkr | Heh, well, I dust off my mod and add a UI to it. |
| 05:03.50 | realspkr | Maybe I can use Ace and FuBaR -- dunno. I just prefer playing : ) |
| 05:04.38 | realspkr | Well, thank you again fvor the assistance : ) |
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| 05:11.04 | Cryect | !ap 1700 |
| 05:11.04 | ThraeBot | Cryect: Arena points from a rating of 1700 is, 2v2: 436, 3v3: 498, 5v5: 623 |
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| 05:26.10 | Silowyi | huh Thottbot's version number is pi right now |
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| 05:35.00 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46409 10Relog/ (GUI_Table.lua parse.lua): |
| 05:35.00 | CIA-14 | Relog - Implements a compiled tag cache system for table columns |
| 05:35.00 | CIA-14 | - Removes several unnecessary calls to update the tables |
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| 05:53.49 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46410 10Relog/GUI_Table.lua: Relog - Refreshes columns after removing a column so they shouldn't show wrong data |
| 06:04.14 | Fisker- | THE WINNER IS ME |
| 06:04.16 | Fisker- | http://www.developersdevelopersdevelopers.dk/winrarofbags.jpg |
| 06:04.27 | Fisker- | wtb mainbag upgrade quest |
| 06:07.25 | NightHawkTheSane | you need more mana pots |
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| 06:09.48 | CIA-14 | 03sayclub * r46411 10Grid/GridLocale-koKR.lua: |
| 06:09.48 | CIA-14 | Grid: |
| 06:09.48 | CIA-14 | - Fixed localization koKR |
| 06:09.57 | kebinusan | prices are too terrible on my realm for 20 slot bags :-( |
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| 06:10.53 | Fisker- | haha NightHawkTheSane |
| 06:10.59 | Fisker- | and i only use like one each raid because we're imba |
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| 06:13.37 | CIA-14 | 03jaslaughter * r46412 10Baggins_Search/: Baggins_Search: Simple search inspired by vBagnon |
| 06:14.33 | Herio | wow |
| 06:14.44 | Herio | I never use mana pots on my pally |
| 06:14.51 | Herio | but that's cause I'm prot =P |
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| 06:17.09 | Lywellyn | can anyone tell me how the PTR works file-wise? Does it overwrite my live realm files, or are they created in their own folder? |
| 06:17.18 | Silowyi | own folder |
| 06:17.22 | CIA-14 | 03jaslaughter * r46413 10Baggins_Search/ (Baggins_Search.lua Baggins_Search.toc): Baggins_Search: Initial Commit |
| 06:17.41 | Lywellyn | ah, cool. |
| 06:18.00 | ramoz | there is a folder called beta or test inside your wow folder |
| 06:18.08 | Lywellyn | \ |
| 06:18.10 | Lywellyn | oops. |
| 06:18.20 | Lywellyn | does it use your current savedvariables and/or addon folders or not? |
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| 06:18.30 | Silowyi | that's a lot of primal mooncloth |
| 06:18.40 | Silowyi | nope Lywellyn it doesn't |
| 06:18.58 | NightHawkTheSane | its essentially it's own autonomous install |
| 06:19.28 | Lywellyn | oh fun. |
| 06:19.53 | Lywellyn | one addon folder, baby. |
| 06:19.53 | Silowyi | hrrn is there a way with fubar plugin to alter the menu options? |
| 06:20.16 | Silowyi | err poorly phrased |
| 06:20.19 | Lywellyn | the default menu options, or your own menu? |
| 06:20.24 | Silowyi | I'm writing an addon that tracks misses. |
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| 06:20.58 | Lywellyn | ooh, fun |
| 06:20.59 | Silowyi | what I want to do is add a filter that lets me choose which skills, from those that I've detected misses for, to display |
| 06:21.19 | Lywellyn | yeah, you can make up your own menu in your fubar plugin |
| 06:22.22 | Silowyi | so when I spot a skill miss, like, "Silowyi misses a_generic_rat_01 with Mangle (Cat)" in the combat log, I'm adding "Mangle (Cat)" to the filter list. |
| 06:22.35 | Silowyi | but I don't know how to dynamically add that to the fubar menu. |
| 06:23.10 | Lywellyn | Only thing I can think of (and mind you, I'm not quite a LUA coder yet...) is to, once it detects an ability like that, to save it in a saved variable array |
| 06:23.21 | Lywellyn | then when the menu is shown, have it create the menu based on that saved array |
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| 06:28.20 | Lywellyn | Sorry, haven't delved that deep into FuBarPlugin-2.0 :( |
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| 07:08.06 | mitch0 | why does this DogTag give me <The Scryers> for a lot of mobs (obviously not scryers): [Guild:RepName:Faction] |
| 07:08.13 | mitch0 | ? |
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| 07:17.30 | CIA-14 | 03jerry 07jerry * r46414 10Grid/Grid/GridFrame.lua: Grid: (branch) pet unit sometimes have an UNKNOWN name at first, so make sure the UnitFrame is notified if it changes later. |
| 07:22.58 | pb_ee1 | pastamancer: Grid does not always display correctly the life of a player when he/she has the same name than a pet |
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| 07:28.56 | Grum_ | mruahaha i got it working! \o/ |
| 07:29.30 | Punkie` | Got what working, your wang? |
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| 07:30.26 | Grum_ | nah .. Cartographer_Routes :) |
| 07:30.29 | CIA-14 | 03jerry 07jerry * r46415 10Grid/Grid/GridLocale-koKR.lua: Grid: (branch) merge changes to koKR from trunk |
| 07:30.37 | Grum_ | drawing lines on your worldmap ^^ |
| 07:30.51 | Punkie` | ah cute |
| 07:31.20 | Lywellyn | mitch0, you still there? |
| 07:31.54 | Grum_ | pb_ee1: if people make pets with the same name as players they should be guildkicked instantly |
| 07:32.13 | Lywellyn | mitch0: Using that tag, it'll list a person's guild, and if there isn't one, it'll list your currently watched faction, which in this case, I'm betting, is the Scryers. |
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| 07:32.57 | pb_ee1 | Grum_: hehe, and what if the player is ok with that? :p |
| 07:33.23 | pb_ee1 | actually, a guildie named his pet the same name than his girlfriend |
| 07:33.39 | pb_ee1 | and she's ok with that |
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| 07:33.59 | Punkie` | It depends what type of animal it was I guess :P |
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| 07:34.19 | pb_ee1 | a tiger hehe |
| 07:34.27 | pb_ee1 | ho, a female one i suppose |
| 07:34.45 | Grum_ | pb_ee1: lets say because no addon can make a distinction between a player or a pet from any combatlog related data that it is the worst possible idea to do that |
| 07:34.56 | Mecdemort | wtb accurate times for the hyjal waves |
| 07:34.56 | Lywellyn | I just installed the PTR....and I ran the Launcher, and it's using the PTR...I want to play on the live realms, wtf? |
| 07:34.57 | pb_ee1 | well |
| 07:35.02 | Grum_ | so dont bother addon makers with it because it can not be done :) |
| 07:35.15 | Grum_ | and rather send a mail to blizzard thanking them for this;) |
| 07:35.15 | pb_ee1 | that's not the problem, Grum_ |
| 07:35.23 | pb_ee1 | i'm talking about the life that is displayed on grid |
| 07:35.32 | pb_ee1 | it's not related to combat log |
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| 07:35.36 | Grum_ | Grid probaby also parses some combatlog things |
| 07:36.01 | pb_ee1 | for the health of players? that would be completely stupid since you have a function that gives you the correct amount |
| 07:36.13 | Mecdemort | i should think grid just gets the party info and party buffs/debuffs |
| 07:36.24 | pb_ee1 | and i think that you can make the difference (when you select a unit) between a player an a pet |
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| 07:36.31 | pb_ee1 | and * |
| 07:36.33 | Grum_ | yeah :) |
| 07:36.41 | pb_ee1 | so this can be corrected :p |
| 07:36.42 | Grum_ | but what happens? they get switched? |
| 07:36.49 | pb_ee1 | yep, sort of |
| 07:37.04 | pb_ee1 | actually sometimes the health is the one of the player, sometimes the pet |
| 07:37.14 | pb_ee1 | and when you click on the rectangle, it sometimes select the player, sometimes the pet |
| 07:37.55 | Grum_ | well what i think is happening, because of the lack of pet support - i think there is a 'cache' table in Grid which keeps something like: data[unitname] = {health = ..., power = ... } |
| 07:38.12 | pb_ee1 | that's it |
| 07:38.17 | Grum_ | and somehow pets get polled and put in .. so you get 'which ever on was written last in it' |
| 07:38.38 | pb_ee1 | I suppose that Grid gets the health by UnitHealth("<name>") (or whatever) |
| 07:38.39 | Grum_ | oooh |
| 07:38.42 | Grum_ | yes i think so |
| 07:38.48 | Grum_ | there is no real other way of doing that |
| 07:38.49 | pb_ee1 | but that it does _not_ check if it is a player or a pet |
| 07:39.00 | pb_ee1 | thus, making this confusion ;) |
| 07:39.10 | Grum_ | that would be a rather harsh check to do for 40 people and possibly 40 pets |
| 07:39.36 | Grum_ | oh well i cant really say much about it - no idea how it does it .. and worktime :\ |
| 07:39.39 | Grum_ | ltr :) |
| 07:39.43 | pb_ee1 | see ya ;) |
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| 07:41.23 | Comxx | Feign Death does not work in dogtags or cowtips =( |
| 07:41.47 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=450665830&postId=4503756379&sid=1#1 <-uh |
| 07:42.00 | Fisker- | Why oh WHY is 'ggg' filtered as profanity? |
| 07:42.20 | Antiarc | It probably translates to something across factions or something |
| 07:42.23 | Fisker- | Gays Gagging Giant-cocks? |
| 07:42.38 | Antiarc | I forget what it was, but there was a string you could type that would cause your message to be silently eaten, I believe. |
| 07:42.38 | CIA-14 | 03mecdemort * r46416 10BigWigs_WaveTimers/Core.lua: |
| 07:42.38 | CIA-14 | BigWigs_WaveTimers: |
| 07:42.38 | CIA-14 | - Reworked Menu, added active and reboot. |
| 07:42.38 | CIA-14 | - Separated timers for alliance and horde camps. (Still need more accurate times! email me if you have them.) |
| 07:42.43 | Fisker- | and it's on the forum Antiarc :P |
| 07:43.01 | Fisker- | although it would make sense that they're too lazy to seperate those |
| 07:43.04 | Antiarc | oh |
| 07:43.49 | Antiarc | Maybe they filtered gg |
| 07:43.59 | Antiarc | And you have (g(g)g) |
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| 07:44.55 | Comxx | Antiarc do you know Dogtag and Cowtip alittle bit ? |
| 07:45.03 | Antiarc | Comxx: I've used them, yeah |
| 07:45.12 | Mellow__ | sorry |
| 07:45.34 | Fisker- | sounds silly to wordfilter gg as well :P |
| 07:45.48 | Fisker- | ah well, it's blizzard |
| 07:45.50 | Fisker- | nuff said :P |
| 07:45.51 | Comxx | what code would i use to make it say Feign Death in Cowtips ? |
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| 07:46.12 | Antiarc | Try [IsFeignDeath?text("Feigning")] |
| 07:46.13 | Antiarc | I think |
| 07:46.57 | Comxx | tryed that did not work =( |
| 07:48.41 | dodga | Antiarc: I think you don't need the "" there |
| 07:48.51 | Antiarc | Oh, you're right |
| 07:50.01 | Lywellyn | Comxx: Are you just trying to get it to show Feign Death at *all*, or *only* Feign Death? Because Status will show Feign Death. |
| 07:50.10 | Comxx | [IsFeignedDeath?Text(Feigning)] |
| 07:50.44 | Comxx | [Status] Just say he is dead |
| 07:50.59 | Fisker- | cowtip is cruise control for AWESOME |
| 07:51.10 | Fisker- | dogtag + tooltips = brilliant |
| 07:51.17 | Lywellyn | Comxx: Hmm...that's not what the documentation says... |
| 07:51.19 | Comxx | or does it have to be a hostle |
| 07:51.54 | Lywellyn | Shouldn't matter |
| 07:52.13 | Lywellyn | I see what's wrong |
| 07:52.21 | Lywellyn | it's not IsFeignDeath, it's IsFeignedDeath |
| 07:52.43 | Comxx | [IsFeignedDeath?Text(Feigning)] does not work |
| 07:53.15 | Comxx | where ckknight when you need him =\ |
| 07:54.34 | Lywellyn | Try [HasAura(IsFeignedDeath)?Text(Feigning)] |
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| 07:55.48 | Lywellyn | wait, never mind, I think I misread that part of the documentation....hmm. |
| 07:56.01 | Comxx | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=6087.msg101314#msg101314 is the only thing i found on it |
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| 07:59.15 | Lywellyn | start shooting out ideas here: [IsFeignedDeath#mouseovertarget?Text(Feigning)] |
| 08:02.23 | Comxx | lol |
| 08:02.39 | [Ammo] | morning |
| 08:03.20 | Comxx | nope didi not work |
| 08:03.38 | Comxx | morning [Ammo] |
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| 08:04.38 | Lywellyn | Umm....[Dead?IsFeignedDeath?Text(Feigning)] ? |
| 08:06.42 | Comxx | nope |
| 08:07.13 | Pheredhel | morning |
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| 08:08.11 | Comxx | [Status] Says hes dead |
| 08:13.20 | Comxx | well Thx Lywellyn for your help the Hunter that was helping left lol so im done for now |
| 08:13.36 | Lywellyn | I'm continuing to test, I'll let you know if I find somethign that works. :) |
| 08:13.57 | Comxx | i think there a Bug in Dogtag or cowtip |
| 08:14.06 | [Ammo] | well it should be IsFeignedDeath |
| 08:14.13 | Lywellyn | I was using that |
| 08:14.27 | [Ammo] | or HasAura(Feign Death) or whatever the buff/debuff is called |
| 08:14.35 | [Ammo] | according to the docs |
| 08:14.50 | Lywellyn | I can't get the HasAura to work for such things like Arcane Intellect though |
| 08:15.26 | [Ammo] | I am just reading the documentation |
| 08:15.29 | [Ammo] | I don't use dogtag |
| 08:15.54 | Lywellyn | I was trying to go by the documentation too. Says Status should show Feigned Death if they are, and it doesn't. |
| 08:16.09 | Comxx | [Status] = "Offline", "Dead", "Ghost", "Soulstone" (only if dead and soulstoned), "Feigned Death", or blank. |
| 08:16.20 | Lywellyn | Yeah |
| 08:16.34 | Comxx | in the docs but all it says i Dead |
| 08:16.59 | Comxx | when they Feigned Death |
| 08:17.47 | [Ammo] | from the source: Tags.Status = "Offline:HasDivineIntervention:[Dead?IsFeignedDeath:HasSoulstone:Dead]" |
| 08:18.16 | Comxx | make me think that there a bug some where |
| 08:20.37 | [Ammo] | you could just put in [IsFeignedDeath] |
| 08:20.48 | [Ammo] | and it should display it |
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| 08:21.04 | Lywellyn | There's the person to ask. |
| 08:21.24 | Comxx | lol |
| 08:21.34 | ckknight | hey all |
| 08:21.47 | Comxx | ckknight: we need help |
| 08:21.58 | ckknight | [IsFeignedDeath?Text(Ur mom)] |
| 08:22.05 | Lywellyn | LOL |
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| 08:22.10 | Comxx | lol |
| 08:22.10 | pb_ee1 | rofl |
| 08:22.31 | Comxx | but it does not work =( |
| 08:22.34 | Fisker- | hey that was my line ckknight |
| 08:22.43 | CIA-14 | 03killermiles * r46417 10/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 08:22.43 | CIA-14 | GnoMoreSpam |
| 08:22.43 | CIA-14 | - Initial Import |
| 08:23.05 | Lywellyn | Yeah, ckknight, it returns "Dead" |
| 08:23.07 | ckknight | Fisker-: hate to break it to you, but I claim imminent domain over the line |
| 08:23.14 | [Ammo] | arg |
| 08:23.17 | Fisker- | :( |
| 08:23.18 | [Ammo] | killermiles is a moron |
| 08:23.23 | [Ammo] | imported his files into the trunk |
| 08:23.24 | ckknight | [Ammo]: link? |
| 08:23.31 | ckknight | oh |
| 08:23.35 | ckknight | wtf |
| 08:23.40 | Lywellyn | [IsFeignedDeath?Text(Feigning)] returns "Dead" |
| 08:23.42 | [Ammo] | as in root |
| 08:23.43 | ckknight | pastamancer: bah |
| 08:23.51 | ckknight | Lywellyn: so you know, that's impossible |
| 08:23.56 | Fisker- | beginners mistake |
| 08:23.58 | ckknight | *thumbs up* |
| 08:24.18 | ckknight | I do not like it when people commit to svn without being in IRC |
| 08:24.34 | Lywellyn | How is it impossible? |
| 08:24.45 | Lywellyn | It's....happening to me right now :3 |
| 08:25.08 | ckknight | Lywellyn: because ?Text(Anything) will either show Anything or blank, it is impossible for it to show something else |
| 08:25.12 | CIA-14 | 03killermiles * r46418 10/trunk/ (4 files): |
| 08:25.12 | CIA-14 | GnoMoreSpam |
| 08:25.12 | CIA-14 | - Removed Misplaced Files, Sorry. |
| 08:25.19 | [Ammo] | oh he figured it out :p |
| 08:25.25 | ckknight | no harm no foul |
| 08:25.27 | [Ammo] | ;) |
| 08:25.49 | [Ammo] | or he's in disguise on irc |
| 08:25.51 | Lywellyn | Okay, that's true. |
| 08:25.58 | [Ammo] | but doesn't want to make himself known :p |
| 08:26.06 | [Ammo] | eh punk |
| 08:26.07 | Lywellyn | [IsFeignedDeath?Text(Feigning)] on a Feigned Death hunter returns nil. |
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| 08:26.34 | ckknight | hrm |
| 08:26.35 | Fisker- | why did it only affect 4 people? :o |
| 08:26.39 | Fisker- | err |
| 08:26.39 | Lywellyn | (The "Dead" was my HP line, my bad) |
| 08:26.40 | Fisker- | 4 files |
| 08:26.42 | Fisker- | files != people |
| 08:26.54 | ckknight | not according to unix |
| 08:26.54 | ckknight | everything's a file |
| 08:26.55 | ckknight | even your mom |
| 08:27.05 | Lywellyn | And I have permissions on your mom. |
| 08:27.16 | ckknight | Lywellyn: odd. |
| 08:27.17 | Fisker- | yeah but i know chmod |
| 08:27.26 | ckknight | chmod +x yourmom |
| 08:27.28 | ckknight | ./yourmom |
| 08:27.34 | Lywellyn | your mom is of user "Lywellyn" and group "LywellyN" |
| 08:27.41 | Fisker- | numbers are cooler |
| 08:27.53 | Fisker- | then you can like say numb3r5 instead |
| 08:27.55 | Fisker- | :OOO |
| 08:28.02 | Fisker- | makes it 10 times more awesome |
| 08:28.10 | ckknight | ./yourmom -vvv --harder --faster|less |
| 08:28.45 | Comxx | ckknight: does [Status] Return Feign Death ? |
| 08:28.53 | ckknight | it should |
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| 08:29.15 | Lywellyn | It doesn't, *that* was what's returning dead |
| 08:29.16 | Comxx | ckknight: No it just SAys Dead |
| 08:29.28 | ckknight | odd, then |
| 08:29.32 | Lywellyn | [Status:SmartHP:HPColor] returns Dead |
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| 08:29.56 | ckknight | hover over the guy's unit frame, /print UnitIsFeignedDeath(GetMouseFocus():GetUnit()) |
| 08:30.40 | Pheredhel | Fisker-: only 4 files affected because his "Libs" folder is still in svn ;) |
| 08:31.11 | Lywellyn | [2007/08/13 04:30:59-180-x1]: <string>:"AceLibrary('AceConsole-2.0'):PrintLiteral(U...":1: attempt to call method 'GetUnit' (a nil value) |
| 08:31.23 | Fisker- | it's killermiles GET HIM |
| 08:31.47 | Fisker- | besides can't he just revert the trunk revision and fix it like that instead? |
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| 08:32.13 | RaydenUnicyclist | most profitable profession? |
| 08:32.16 | RaydenUnicyclist | mining right now? |
| 08:32.27 | RaydenUnicyclist | i'm dropping enchanting in pursuits of a profession that actually makes money |
| 08:32.31 | Fisker- | enchanting (lol) |
| 08:32.40 | Pheredhel | ack |
| 08:32.40 | abbat_w | lol |
| 08:32.44 | Fisker- | atleast for the people you have to enchant |
| 08:32.46 | dodga | Jewelcrafting :P |
| 08:32.51 | Pheredhel | enchanting + jewelcrafting = tons of gold |
| 08:32.52 | Fisker- | "PLEASE LET ME ENCHANT I'LL PAY 5g" |
| 08:32.52 | abbat_w | most profitabe profession now - dayly quests |
| 08:33.07 | RaydenUnicyclist | my other is tailoring |
| 08:33.10 | dodga | Hm, I make some money off enchanting |
| 08:33.12 | Lywellyn | mmm....Inscriptions.... |
| 08:33.13 | RaydenUnicyclist | shadow priest |
| 08:33.26 | RaydenUnicyclist | my enchanting is only at 275 and it cost me a buttload to get there from around 250 |
| 08:33.55 | RaydenUnicyclist | my friend has made more money from mining and he's only lvl 40 than i've ever made enchanting |
| 08:33.59 | Lywellyn | that was when I hovered over his toon. HOvering over his unitframe: |
| 08:34.00 | Lywellyn | [2007/08/13 04:33:39-180-x1]: <string>:"AceLibrary('AceConsole-2.0'):PrintLiteral(U...":1: attempt to call global 'UnitIsFeignedDeath' (a nil value) |
| 08:34.00 | Pheredhel | 1. buy flame spessite, 2. make rings from them, 3. disenchant hem,4. sell arcane dust |
| 08:34.29 | Fisker- | overpowdered |
| 08:34.36 | dodga | Pheredhel: Let me write that down |
| 08:34.37 | Fisker- | gotta check that out |
| 08:34.50 | Fisker- | 10 seconds later 1000's of arcane dust on AH |
| 08:34.51 | ckknight | Lywellyn: k, try UnitFeignedDeath instead |
| 08:34.53 | Fisker- | :P |
| 08:35.22 | Lywellyn | same thing, only calling UnitFeignedDeath a nil value |
| 08:35.26 | Pheredhel | hmm, for us, arcane dust is about 30 to 40 g/stack right now |
| 08:35.43 | Pheredhel | UnitIsFeignDeath( |
| 08:35.53 | Pheredhel | not feigned |
| 08:36.09 | Arrowmaster | !api UnitIsFeignDeath |
| 08:36.11 | ThraeBot | Arrowmaster: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitIsFeignDeath |
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| 08:36.37 | Lywellyn | Okay, using UnitIsFeignDeath, it returns "nil" in the chat frame |
| 08:36.40 | ckknight | !api UnitFeignedDeath |
| 08:36.42 | ThraeBot | ckknight: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitFeignedDeath |
| 08:36.43 | ckknight | oh |
| 08:36.55 | ckknight | Lywellyn: and the hunter is actually feigned? |
| 08:36.58 | Arrowmaster | its UnitIsFeignDeath but theres no wowwiki page |
| 08:37.13 | Pheredhel | http://wowwiki.com/API#Unit_Functions |
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| 08:37.23 | RaydenUnicyclist | <Pheredhel> 1. buy flame spessite, 2. make rings from them, 3. disenchant hem,4. sell arcane dust <-- that makes a profit? i've never found anything like that to turn a profit |
| 08:37.25 | Pheredhel | the documentation page is not written yet |
| 08:37.28 | Lywellyn | ck |
| 08:37.31 | Lywellyn | ckknight: Yep |
| 08:37.34 | ckknight | okay |
| 08:37.39 | ckknight | then blame Blizzard. |
| 08:37.55 | Lywellyn | Gotcha. |
| 08:38.09 | Nandini | i think that API changed in 2.1, no one must have updated it on wowwiki |
| 08:38.12 | Arrowmaster | if its printing nil in the chat frame then it working properly |
| 08:38.14 | Pheredhel | RaydenUnicyclist: right now it works ;) check the prices on AH and see if it works for your server... |
| 08:38.46 | Lywellyn | Arrowmaster: How? If it returns nil, doesn't that mean the unit ISN'T feigning death? |
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| 08:39.05 | Arrowmaster | is the person in your party |
| 08:39.05 | Pheredhel | Lywellyn: exactly |
| 08:39.19 | Lywellyn | Arrowmaster: No |
| 08:39.26 | Arrowmaster | then its working properly |
| 08:39.36 | Arrowmaster | only works if theyre in you party/raid |
| 08:39.47 | ccKep | sup |
| 08:39.50 | Lywellyn | basic API functions like that are party/raid specific? that's bull. |
| 08:39.51 | Pheredhel | whould be funny in bg if it would work on others |
| 08:39.59 | Arrowmaster | Lywellyn: yes |
| 08:40.12 | Arrowmaster | its tlike that to prevent abuse |
| 08:40.24 | Lywellyn | So what ckknight said before is true: Blame Blizzard. abuse? how? |
| 08:40.52 | Arrowmaster | blantly telling you that an enemy is FD'd |
| 08:40.53 | Nandini | there are a lot of things you can't know about friendly players unless you're grouped with them |
| 08:40.54 | Pheredhel | Lywellyn: autocheck if somone is feigning death in pvp ? |
| 08:41.24 | Arrowmaster | even though theres other ways of telling but nothing remotely as easy as UnitIsFeignDeath would be |
| 08:41.25 | ckknight | Lywellyn: durr, you should've told me that off the bat. |
| 08:41.25 | Grum | Pheredhel: which rings do you make from the spessarite? :D |
| 08:41.31 | ckknight | Lywellyn: it only works for friendlies |
| 08:41.38 | Lywellyn | I didn't know that >< |
| 08:42.34 | Comxx | well Lywellyn now we know =) |
| 08:42.39 | Lywellyn | indeed. |
| 08:43.14 | Lywellyn | well, while I'm on the subject: Why does HasAura(Arcane Intellect) not work for me? |
| 08:44.14 | Pheredhel | Grum: would have to look up how it's called, but can't run wow at work ;) |
| 08:44.28 | Grum | there are no rings needing flame spessarite :) |
| 08:44.37 | Grum | nor rings to be crafted from 'just a gem' |
| 08:44.52 | Grum | there are rings to be crafed from 2xyellow or 2xred + feliron bar |
| 08:45.08 | Grum | but that kinda doesnt allow for profit :) |
| 08:45.38 | Pheredhel | not just a gem... |
| 08:45.49 | Lywellyn | Band of Natural Fire? |
| 08:46.28 | Grum | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24074 http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24075 are the 2 simplest rings |
| 08:46.32 | Pheredhel | for example, though it seems to disenchant to brilliant shards |
| 08:47.13 | Grum | yup <60 blue item |
| 08:47.21 | Pheredhel | hmm, gold dreaninte... could be ... |
| 08:47.27 | Grum | Pheredhel: which color gems? ;) |
| 08:47.43 | Grum | depending on your realm's prices making the 2 previously mentioned items could work |
| 08:47.59 | Pheredhel | I dont ask anymore;) we do it with two people, i just dis end sell right now ;) |
| 08:48.05 | Grum | but you have to yield at least 2 arcane dust on average |
| 08:48.24 | Grum | you sure it is a ring? |
| 08:48.32 | Grum | it might be that a 'gem' could be bugged in allowing to disenchant it :) |
| 08:49.01 | Pheredhel | no, can ask again, but I'm quite sure it was a ring |
| 08:49.35 | Pheredhel | although right now we also use some leather items and tailoring items from guildmates leveling the professions |
| 08:50.01 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=450665830&sid=1 <-haha |
| 08:50.03 | Fisker- | winner thread |
| 08:50.57 | Pheredhel | oh and grum: the two rings always yeield at least 2 arcane dust (if not planar essence or shard) |
| 08:51.16 | Grum | on my server planar essences are worth crap |
| 08:51.28 | Mecdemort | what color are the normal channels? |
| 08:51.55 | Fisker- | haha Grum |
| 08:51.57 | Fisker- | i know that feeling |
| 08:52.12 | Fisker- | "Please not Planar Essences, please please" |
| 08:52.23 | Grum | seriously, i did an inventory from a bank alt which gets dusts+essences .. when the essences were doing ~10-11g a piece ... |
| 08:52.26 | Punkie` | wtf |
| 08:52.32 | Grum | 2 weeks later ... 2-4g a piece :\ |
| 08:52.42 | Punkie` | essences are expensive on my server |
| 08:52.50 | Fisker- | u suk then ;( |
| 08:52.53 | Grum | arcanedust seems rather stable around 1.5-2g a piece |
| 08:53.01 | Grum | Punkie`: not so mature server i guess |
| 08:53.02 | Fisker- | Blizzard needs to tone down the arcane dust requirements on enchants |
| 08:53.04 | Grum | you need more farmerse |
| 08:53.07 | Punkie` | erm dude |
| 08:53.09 | Grum | yes .. 20! sick ;D |
| 08:53.16 | Fisker- | ooh Grum |
| 08:53.16 | Pheredhel | hmm, planar essances still seem to go for about 7-8g on my server |
| 08:53.18 | Punkie` | one of the most progressed servers in EU :P |
| 08:53.21 | Fisker- | they're 2,5-3g here :) |
| 08:53.31 | Punkie` | all the prices are high :P |
| 08:53.32 | Fisker- | Magtheridon Punkie` ? |
| 08:53.38 | Punkie` | no Kazzak |
| 08:53.38 | Grum | its fun to see how the primal prices fluctuate |
| 08:53.44 | Fisker- | then do not want |
| 08:53.45 | Pheredhel | arcane dust is 2-2.5g / piece |
| 08:53.54 | Grum | i've seen primal life drop to 7g a piece for 2-3 weeks :) |
| 08:53.56 | Punkie` | Magtheridon is laggy, do not want |
| 08:54.00 | Fisker- | hehe Grum |
| 08:54.06 | Nandini | disenchanting high level items is more likely to produce arcane dust, so it's logical for high level enchants to require more arcane dust |
| 08:54.12 | Fisker- | I increased the market price to 20g for a month or something like that :P |
| 08:54.23 | Grum | i used to make profit from making primal might |
| 08:54.24 | Fisker- | bought like 200 Primal Life |
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| 08:54.36 | Grum | buying all essences for ~90g, making might .. sell for 120g :) |
| 08:54.39 | Nandini | unless you expect blizzard to hardcode a built-in market for your services |
| 08:55.08 | Grum | transmutation specced .. so occasionally getting some more (and i mean Reaaaaly occasionally) |
| 08:55.10 | kandarz | anyone know a simple addon for showing the whole itemID in a tooltip? |
| 08:55.19 | Grum | you make a nice bouncing sound when you turn 90g of mats into 480g of items =D |
| 08:55.19 | Fisker- | would be funny to see some kind of NPC where you just sold your items |
| 08:55.23 | Fisker- | and you got immediate value |
| 08:55.30 | Fisker- | and they would be auctioned for a market price |
| 08:56.15 | Nandini | yes, that would be funny except what happens when no one buys the items? the server itself takes a loss and every player gets automatically richer? |
| 08:56.15 | Pheredhel | Fisker-: but would be easy to abuse ;) |
| 08:56.45 | mitch0 | lywellin: thanks, I think I misunderstood what "currently watched faction" meant... |
| 08:56.46 | Pheredhel | just buy every item from one sort and auction one of them for a really high price... |
| 08:56.47 | Arrowmaster | you mean like the npc's in guildwars? |
| 08:56.58 | Grum | Pheredhel: that works if oyu do it for more than 2 weeks |
| 08:57.02 | Grum | and with multiple alts |
| 08:57.03 | Fisker- | i never played guild wars |
| 08:57.25 | Arrowmaster | well theres npcs you can buy and sell at |
| 08:57.44 | Grum | Pheredhel: you can easily dominate the whole Adamantite market if you have 10-15k gold |
| 08:57.44 | Arrowmaster | and the prices is determined by how much gets sold vs bought |
| 08:57.50 | Grum | and 1 week of spare time |
| 08:57.59 | Arrowmaster | and most the prices are permently at the low end cap |
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| 08:58.21 | CIA-14 | FuBar_FriendsFu |
| 08:58.21 | CIA-14 | - updated zhTW localization |
| 08:59.29 | Grum | the fun part is you can even completely rape the gem market by controlling the adamantite prices :) |
| 08:59.51 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46420 10FuBar_GuildFu/ (FuBar_GuildFu.toc FuBar_GuildFuLocals.zhTW.lua embeds.xml): |
| 08:59.51 | CIA-14 | FuBar_GuildFu |
| 08:59.51 | CIA-14 | - updated zhTW localization |
| 08:59.51 | CIA-14 | - use embeds.xml |
| 09:01.33 | Fisker- | :O Arrowmaster |
| 09:01.41 | Fisker- | but yeah it would probably be hard to regulate |
| 09:01.46 | Fisker- | but would be cool if they could pull it off |
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| 09:02.44 | Arrowmaster | i think when selling to the vendor the price has a low end cap of the value when selling to a normal npc |
| 09:03.12 | Pheredhel | uhm can I remove killermiles "Libs" folder in trunk (it's empty) |
| 09:03.15 | Arrowmaster | and since theres not really much to use those mats on its just a source of money |
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| 09:03.45 | Diao | uh |
| 09:03.52 | Diao | how exactly do you use cartographer_data >.> |
| 09:03.58 | Diao | gives me an error when i download it |
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| 09:05.06 | CIA-14 | 03arrowmaster * r46421 10Libs/: Remove directory from somebody elses botched commit |
| 09:05.21 | Arrowmaster | Pheredhel: beat you to it |
| 09:05.27 | Pheredhel | meh ^^ |
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| 09:05.36 | Arrowmaster | svn delete ftw |
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| 09:05.50 | Pheredhel | i know, just asked if i should ;) |
| 09:06.05 | durcyn | needs a snakier commit message |
| 09:06.10 | Awaa | Hm.. all my chat in game looks wired. New feature in Prat? |
| 09:06.13 | durcyn | "that wasn't very smart now, was it?" |
| 09:06.39 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: ive had enough smartass commit messages recently |
| 09:07.25 | Arrowmaster | http://cia.vc/stats/author/arrowmaster |
| 09:07.55 | CIA-14 | 03killermiles * r46422 10GnoMoreSpam/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:07.55 | CIA-14 | GnoMoreSpam |
| 09:07.55 | CIA-14 | - Initial Import (Correct Path) |
| 09:07.56 | durcyn | oh |
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| 09:10.03 | Mecdemort | anyone remember who gave me the idea to add search to anywherebags? i need to give him my firstborn. |
| 09:10.19 | Grum__ | lol :D |
| 09:11.16 | Grum | *test* |
| 09:11.20 | Grum__ | whii works |
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| 09:11.38 | dodga | Awaa: Was updated, you need to redo you settings; or at least some of them |
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| 09:13.32 | Grum | ah whatever happens today .. i'm a happy puppy .. even if we wipe on Gruul again all night :D |
| 09:15.31 | nevcairiel | how come? |
| 09:15.41 | Grum | i draw my first route on the worldmap this morning :) |
| 09:15.44 | ccKep | aiming for a naj'entus first today ^.^ |
| 09:15.59 | nevcairiel | najenthus is pretty easy, you should manage :P |
| 09:16.09 | ccKep | yeah, only did 3 tries yesterday |
| 09:16.11 | ccKep | 46% |
| 09:16.18 | ccKep | but.. he healed like 35% (according to wws) |
| 09:16.22 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 09:16.24 | Grum | wtb your progress |
| 09:16.28 | ccKep | 35 healing ticks |
| 09:16.34 | ccKep | so we should manage |
| 09:16.45 | cncfanatics | goood morning ! |
| 09:16.48 | ccKep | had anatheron first yesterday and was our first journey to BT |
| 09:17.05 | nevcairiel | once you get najenthus down, supremus is easy too |
| 09:17.08 | ccKep | supremus sounds pretty free loot, no matter what you do :o |
| 09:17.10 | nevcairiel | and akama isnt too hard either |
| 09:17.22 | cncfanatics | sigh, and i'm stick at gruul & lootreaver :p |
| 09:17.28 | Arrowmaster | i wish my guild was in blacktemple |
| 09:17.29 | durcyn | supremus is a damn loot pinata |
| 09:17.29 | Grum | is it me or is BT a breeze compared to the last bosses in SSC/TK? :) |
| 09:17.36 | cncfanatics | it is |
| 09:17.38 | [Ammo] | vashj fight is fun |
| 09:17.42 | durcyn | Grum: until you get to bloodboil or eos, yes |
| 09:17.44 | ccKep | http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=syojiwm1qpowa&s=14374-14758 |
| 09:17.45 | nevcairiel | Grum: only the first three or so |
| 09:17.46 | ccKep | ^.^ |
| 09:17.53 | Grum | 'only the first 3' .. geeez :D |
| 09:17.58 | durcyn | i guess gorefiend is kind of hard |
| 09:18.07 | CIA-14 | 03killermiles * r46423 10GnoMoreSpam/Libs/: |
| 09:18.07 | CIA-14 | GnoMoreSpam |
| 09:18.07 | CIA-14 | - Added Externals |
| 09:18.10 | durcyn | if you're dumb and can't press ctrl-4 |
| 09:18.11 | ccKep | teron _sounds_ more funny than hard |
| 09:18.25 | Arrowmaster | ctrl-4? |
| 09:18.29 | nevcairiel | i enjoy gorefiend |
| 09:18.45 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46424 10FuBar_LocationFu/ (5 files): |
| 09:18.46 | CIA-14 | FuBar_LocationFu: |
| 09:18.46 | CIA-14 | - updated zhTW localization |
| 09:18.46 | CIA-14 | - use embeds.xml |
| 09:18.54 | durcyn | ctrl-4 being the default keybind for spirit shackle |
| 09:19.06 | ccKep | http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=syojiwm1qpowa&s=14374-14758&a=82 <<< Heals -> Tidal Wave, lolz ^.^ |
| 09:19.09 | nevcairiel | yeah just spam that when the debuff runs out |
| 09:19.19 | nevcairiel | and you should be fine |
| 09:19.22 | Grum | spirit shackle? |
| 09:19.28 | nevcairiel | if you miss the first shackle .. you are screwed :P |
| 09:20.03 | durcyn | grum: when shadow of death ticks out, or you otherwise die with it on, you turn into a spirit and have to kill four constructs that spawn.. only spirits can attack them |
| 09:20.24 | Grum | ah so you get a 'petbar' ? :) |
| 09:20.33 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 09:20.52 | Grum | noooooes ... i dont want fights where dps needs to do more than 'dps a single target' |
| 09:21.00 | Grum | moving is already too hard for them |
| 09:21.01 | nevcairiel | haha :P |
| 09:21.09 | Grum | seriously :\ |
| 09:21.27 | nevcairiel | maybe you should be happy that you are stuck on gruul :P |
| 09:21.45 | Grum | we cant do Morogrim atm because some nub healers spam themselves silly when the EQ has just come past and thus pull aggro over the pallies :\ |
| 09:21.46 | cncfanatics | me ? |
| 09:21.48 | cncfanatics | no thank you |
| 09:21.52 | cncfanatics | I want to see now places & code :p |
| 09:21.55 | Grum | nevcairiel: not stuck on gruul, that is the worst |
| 09:22.04 | [Ammo] | Grum: your fault is using pallies |
| 09:22.04 | cncfanatics | our healers & tanks never die |
| 09:22.04 | Grum | we have lurker/hydros/vr on farm |
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| 09:22.13 | cncfanatics | our dps keeps dying to shatters "they couldn't prevent" |
| 09:22.19 | cncfanatics | same for void reaver & fucking orbs |
| 09:22.22 | cncfanatics | I couldnt prevent it blabla |
| 09:22.23 | Grum | [Ammo]: then how to do it? put all healers there and trust on the mages to frostnova? :) |
| 09:22.26 | [Ammo] | Grum: put a tank on moorgrim, and put 2 tanks on each side where murlocs come from |
| 09:22.27 | cncfanatics | but the healers can \o/ |
| 09:22.31 | Pheredhel | we are stuck in kara/curator and Gruul ^^ |
| 09:22.34 | nevcairiel | we use a tank pally too |
| 09:22.36 | nevcairiel | never been a problem |
| 09:22.41 | ccKep | working fine here with pally |
| 09:22.41 | Grum | mmm |
| 09:22.42 | [Ammo] | then have those tanks drag the murlocs to morogrim |
| 09:22.47 | [Ammo] | while the warlocks seed em |
| 09:22.49 | Grum | how would the warriors get aggro? |
| 09:22.51 | [Ammo] | then mage frost novas |
| 09:22.52 | [Ammo] | and it explodes |
| 09:22.54 | [Ammo] | thunderclap |
| 09:22.55 | durcyn | paladins are fine, warriors are fine, frost traps and earthbind ar efine |
| 09:22.56 | Grum | thunderclap ? |
| 09:22.56 | [Ammo] | demo shout |
| 09:23.01 | durcyn | what matters is that they're together |
| 09:23.04 | [Ammo] | 1 bear each side owns too |
| 09:23.15 | Grum | hmm so your healers just keep on spamming? |
| 09:23.26 | Grum | btw we have had much more 'luck' with a druid tanking morogrom |
| 09:23.27 | ccKep | put some shammies to your healers dropping additional tranquil air totem |
| 09:23.27 | [Ammo] | 'spamming' yeah |
| 09:23.36 | Grum | morogrim eats our warriors O.o |
| 09:23.45 | nevcairiel | we have our pally tank spam heals on the raid after the earthquake to get initial aggro |
| 09:23.46 | [Ammo] | that's why I said a tank |
| 09:23.52 | [Ammo] | the pally shit failed us |
| 09:23.53 | nevcairiel | and all other healers just take it slow |
| 09:23.54 | Punkie` | Like Ammo said, the paladin crap just didn't work for us |
| 09:24.04 | Grum | [Ammo]: thanks i'll implement that tonight |
| 09:24.06 | [Ammo] | the tanks grabbing murlocs gives a lot more crontrol |
| 09:24.14 | Grum | where do you tank Moro? |
| 09:24.15 | ccKep | I spam chain heal after the earth quake just fine |
| 09:24.17 | nevcairiel | its not like we still do morogrimm.. |
| 09:24.18 | nevcairiel | ^^ |
| 09:24.23 | [Ammo] | we tank moro between the 2 pillars |
| 09:24.23 | ccKep | never pulled aggro off of a pally |
| 09:24.24 | Grum | lol |
| 09:24.30 | Arrowmaster | we use a pally to gather the murlocs but warriors pick them up before they attack the paladin |
| 09:24.31 | [Ammo] | 2 tanks move into the corridor |
| 09:24.37 | [Ammo] | and 2 tanks move down the ramp |
| 09:24.42 | Grum | [Ammo]: we do the same - so you have 5 tanks there? |
| 09:24.44 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 09:24.45 | cncfanatics | ccKep, and never will except maybe void reaver :) |
| 09:24.47 | durcyn | shit just needs to get picked up, doesn't matter how |
| 09:24.57 | durcyn | i've found that the competence of the player matters more than their class in that case |
| 09:25.02 | [Ammo] | true |
| 09:25.06 | ccKep | cncfanatics: hm? |
| 09:25.14 | [Ammo] | but this worked for us perfectly, as opposed to the paladin shite :p |
| 09:25.15 | Punkie` | Grum: We also use a frostnova when they are together :P |
| 09:25.18 | Grum | so also a holadin with some sta-gear on can also toss down a consecration and take a run with em? |
| 09:25.33 | Grum | we only have like 10 capable people orso |
| 09:25.35 | ccKep | you shouldn't need any stam gear / consecration |
| 09:25.39 | Grum | it's rather frustrating |
| 09:25.47 | Grum | ccKep: we hardly have 5 tanks for raids |
| 09:25.50 | ccKep | the pally isn't intended to "tank" them |
| 09:25.56 | cncfanatics | ccKep: never pulled aggro off of a pally, |
| 09:25.56 | cncfanatics | cncfanatics: ccKep, and never will except maybe void reaver :) |
| 09:26.04 | nevcairiel | we have a pally in pvp gear for crit immunity |
| 09:26.12 | ccKep | http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=d2p612jvmcf1c&s=6780-7164 |
| 09:26.26 | [Ammo] | but the main issue is with knowing what to do |
| 09:26.27 | Arrowmaster | our pally tank sucks, he uses nothing but seal of blood |
| 09:26.32 | ccKep | dmg in 121k on the pally, dunno how many waves |
| 09:26.33 | [Ammo] | our tanks are pretty pro |
| 09:26.35 | cncfanatics | lol seriously Arrowmaster ? |
| 09:26.40 | cncfanatics | seal of blood is the worst tanking seal |
| 09:26.41 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 09:26.45 | Arrowmaster | we hate him |
| 09:26.47 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 09:26.49 | Arrowmaster | and want to gkick him |
| 09:26.51 | cncfanatics | kick him & get me ? :p |
| 09:27.21 | Arrowmaster | not that it matters much since hes quiting once Age of Conan is released |
| 09:27.22 | ccKep | murlocs hit for 800 on plate.. and they shouldn't really get more than 1 or 2 hits off |
| 09:27.45 | Grum | [Ammo]: do you also use 'slowing traps' to keep em together easier? |
| 09:27.53 | Grum | and just nuke him @ the ass of Morogrimm? |
| 09:28.54 | Punkie` | Grum: I don't remember seeing any traps, just pull, frost nova, aoe |
| 09:29.04 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster, what server u play on anyway ? |
| 09:29.10 | Punkie` | or pull, seed, nova, aoe or something :P |
| 09:29.10 | Grum | ah well we did a 41% try already |
| 09:29.15 | Grum | on our second day i think |
| 09:29.18 | Punkie` | not bad |
| 09:29.33 | Arrowmaster | burning legion us |
| 09:29.40 | Grum | we used the pally positioning to get the job done but that seems way to 'error prone' |
| 09:29.41 | Punkie` | Just try and make sure the aoe hits morogrim also |
| 09:29.48 | Grum | yeah |
| 09:29.54 | Fisker- | i hate you Punkie` |
| 09:29.59 | Punkie` | wry :( |
| 09:30.02 | Arrowmaster | server blows though |
| 09:30.03 | Fisker- | just got 3x 2 lesser planar essence |
| 09:30.08 | Punkie` | owned |
| 09:30.10 | Fisker- | from items with arcane dust as most likely |
| 09:30.10 | Fisker- | :( |
| 09:30.13 | cncfanatics | any pallytank here tanked nightbane before ? he's cool |
| 09:30.18 | Fisker- | nooo |
| 09:30.27 | Grum | my plan was to just stack everyone @ the ass of morogrim have some tanks pick them up and just have them come together ontop of the complete raid and nuke them completely silly |
| 09:30.45 | Fisker- | we got a paladin tank to do it :P |
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| 09:30.49 | Fisker- | nothing else worked for us |
| 09:30.50 | Grum | but it's still fun how a druid can be so much easier healed on morogrimm than a warrior |
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| 09:31.00 | Arrowmaster | i think im going to pickup the Tabula Rasa preorder and start playing the beta since WoW fails so much lately |
| 09:31.00 | Grum | warrior gets chains of 8k+ crushings :\ |
| 09:31.07 | Grum | where the druid gets at max 7k hits :) |
| 09:31.15 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster, I wish I was in the warhammer beta -.- |
| 09:31.20 | Fisker- | what's that crap game Arrowmaster ? |
| 09:31.27 | dodga | Grum: Warrior getting crushings = no good tank |
| 09:31.30 | Punkie` | Yeah, though, you warriors should never get chains of crushings - something's wrong there :P |
| 09:31.34 | ccKep | dodga: been to morogrim? |
| 09:31.37 | ramoz | Grum: we do that |
| 09:31.47 | dodga | ccKep: Yeah, couple of times, but never downed him :o |
| 09:32.07 | ccKep | there might be a reason ;) |
| 09:32.08 | Grum | dodga: nope |
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| 09:32.13 | Punkie` | dodga: warriors can get the odd crushing, but that's just luck :P |
| 09:32.13 | Grum | if you know morogrim you know that is not true |
| 09:32.18 | ccKep | earthquake eating through shield block |
| 09:32.19 | dodga | I also don't play any tanking class, but I do know, that our MT presses shield block like a madman |
| 09:32.25 | Grum | morogrim hits every 1.5s |
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| 09:32.34 | Grum | shieldblock lasts 2 hits every 6s |
| 09:32.39 | cncfanatics | too fast for warriors to not get crushed |
| 09:32.42 | dodga | Okay, that may lead to some crushings then, but not a chain |
| 09:32.42 | Grum | so you have 2 'unshieldblocked' hits at max |
| 09:32.46 | Grum | oh yes |
| 09:32.48 | Grum | if you are unlucky |
| 09:32.58 | [Ammo] | or if your tank is shite geared |
| 09:32.59 | cncfanatics | he could get a parry in and crush it |
| 09:33.03 | cncfanatics | but it should be very rare |
| 09:33.09 | nevcairiel | our maintank is a dodge-bitch |
| 09:33.19 | nevcairiel | works pretty well ;) |
| 09:33.20 | Grum | EQ, hit - now shieldblock is gone - and then 3 crushing |
| 09:33.24 | cncfanatics | he gets healed anyway, why does he better dodging ? :p |
| 09:33.25 | Grum | yeah our tank too |
| 09:33.29 | cncfanatics | rather not dodge & get more rage imo |
| 09:33.31 | Grum | and she has ~20k hp orso there |
| 09:33.33 | cncfanatics | i'm an armor & sta bitch |
| 09:33.44 | ccKep | 11 crushings on our morogrim kill (3%) |
| 09:33.47 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: he doesnt have any rage issues :P |
| 09:33.56 | Grum | at morogrim you can not have rage issues |
| 09:34.01 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, I'm a pala though, cant ever have too much mana |
| 09:34.01 | Grum | you get 30-40 rage per hit you get |
| 09:34.04 | ccKep | 138 hits, of which were 127 normal hits and 11 crushings |
| 09:34.09 | cncfanatics | I'm no warrior :p |
| 09:34.10 | dodga | ccKep: 11 crushings in a ~10 min fight is not so much, is it? :o |
| 09:34.16 | cncfanatics | cant ever have too much mana, its never gonna be full |
| 09:34.16 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 09:34.19 | Grum | so that is 30-40rage per 1.5s .. lets say you dodge 30% .. |
| 09:34.23 | ccKep | yeah, but we're not learning morogrim dodga ;) |
| 09:34.30 | dodga | :> |
| 09:34.32 | nevcairiel | we had a druid tank najenthus last week because all warriors were kinda offline |
| 09:34.35 | ccKep | dunno what our first kill was |
| 09:34.36 | nevcairiel | worked really good |
| 09:34.48 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 09:34.49 | Diao | so nobody knows how the cartographer data works? D: |
| 09:34.50 | Grum | druids are really good tanks if you need something to flatten dmg-spikes |
| 09:34.59 | ccKep | 10 crushigns *shrug* |
| 09:35.02 | Grum | Diao: i might, i've kinda turned that addon inside out this weekend |
| 09:35.06 | Fisker- | i wonder if it can be useful to make an alt guild for a guildbank :P |
| 09:35.10 | cncfanatics | Grum, what about paladins ? |
| 09:35.16 | cncfanatics | hits as low as a warrior and never get crushed |
| 09:35.21 | Diao | lol |
| 09:35.23 | Grum | cncfanatics: if you have a good paladin with excellent gear |
| 09:35.28 | Grum | they can last even longer |
| 09:35.36 | cncfanatics | !c eu khadgar evolve |
| 09:35.36 | cncfanatics | :p |
| 09:35.37 | Grum | they have a 10hit shieldblock |
| 09:35.37 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Evolve, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (0/49/12). 12837 HP; 4788 Mana; 81 mana regen; 16169 Armour; 596 AP; 88.1 Melee DPS; 5.65% melee crit; 15 spell crit; 252 +spell dmg/heal; 294 defense; 19.18% dodge; 18.88% block; 31 resilience;[[ TBR: 1479 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/27evs8 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2sm7vw ]] |
| 09:35.45 | cncfanatics | hmmm i'm not in tank gear |
| 09:35.55 | Grum | what is your tank-gear statwise? |
| 09:36.09 | cncfanatics | u'll see in a sec |
| 09:36.20 | nevcairiel | hm their shieldblock doesnt bring them to 100% block, does it? |
| 09:36.34 | cncfanatics | it brings 35% |
| 09:36.38 | cncfanatics | combined with gear i'm at 100 |
| 09:36.46 | Grum | wtf you got 65% from gear? |
| 09:37.02 | cncfanatics | 65% combined dodge parry , block & miss yea |
| 09:37.16 | cncfanatics | u also get some base ofc |
| 09:37.19 | cncfanatics | and talents |
| 09:37.38 | Grum | well from my experience you can still get 'a stroke of bad luck' even which perfect numbers |
| 09:37.48 | cncfanatics | no |
| 09:37.51 | Grum | it's like rolling 1 on a dice 3-4 times in a row |
| 09:37.54 | cncfanatics | u dont know how the combat table works then |
| 09:37.59 | cncfanatics | there is only one roll on the dice |
| 09:38.01 | cncfanatics | not 3-4 |
| 09:38.14 | art3mis | im bored |
| 09:38.16 | Grum | got some post for me to read up on that? |
| 09:38.18 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 09:38.19 | cncfanatics | sec |
| 09:38.20 | art3mis | and stupidly still awake |
| 09:38.40 | cncfanatics | hmmm, after how much time after logout does the damn armory update ? |
| 09:38.44 | Arrowmaster | and when you forceable push the 1 from the dice it makes strings of 'bad luck' impossible |
| 09:39.13 | Grum | cncfanatics: a lot of time |
| 09:39.22 | cncfanatics | http://www.wowwiki.com/Attack_table |
| 09:39.27 | Grum | they prolly update it batch-wise once every so often |
| 09:39.35 | cncfanatics | I pushed crits "off the table" with defence |
| 09:39.40 | Grum | !c eu doomhammer neriah |
| 09:39.43 | cncfanatics | and crushings "off the table" with my combined avoidance+block |
| 09:39.44 | ThraeBot | Grum: Neriah, Level 70 Gnome Warrior (8/5/48). 14204 HP; 15568 Armour; 762 AP; 140.5 Melee DPS; 11.59% melee crit; 21 melee hit; 343 defense; 22.71% dodge; 29.16% block; 10 arcane resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1257 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2bgxtx ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/36poxw ]] |
| 09:39.53 | cncfanatics | Grum, low armor ? |
| 09:39.55 | art3mis | any of you play on kel'thuzad alliance US ? |
| 09:40.00 | Grum | yeah she's missing the shield from gruul :( |
| 09:40.04 | Grum | that one adds like 600 armor |
| 09:40.05 | cncfanatics | I took the arena one |
| 09:40.10 | Grum | she hates pvp |
| 09:40.11 | cncfanatics | 5.7k armor on the damn arena shield |
| 09:40.14 | cncfanatics | and 150 block value |
| 09:40.17 | cncfanatics | so do I :p |
| 09:40.26 | Grum | how long did it take to get it? ;) |
| 09:40.35 | cncfanatics | 5 weeks 10 arena games a week as protspec |
| 09:40.38 | cncfanatics | 2v2 |
| 09:40.43 | Grum | with which other class? |
| 09:41.17 | cncfanatics | depending on the week |
| 09:41.21 | cncfanatics | whatever was available :p |
| 09:41.25 | Grum | lol |
| 09:41.29 | Fisker- | ah screw the bioshock developers |
| 09:41.34 | Fisker- | they didn't make the demo for the PC |
| 09:41.36 | Grum | itemname for that shield cncfanatics ? :) |
| 09:41.38 | cncfanatics | I got spanked most of the time anyway as prot |
| 09:41.45 | cncfanatics | Merciless gladiator's shield wall |
| 09:41.48 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: what did they make it for? |
| 09:41.52 | Fisker- | xbox |
| 09:42.01 | ccKep | !c eu Blackhand D%C3%A9ie |
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| 09:42.02 | Arrowmaster | cool ill go download it |
| 09:42.04 | ThraeBot | ccKep: Déie, Level 70 Draenei Shaman (0/5/56). 7609 HP; 10246 Mana; 238 mana regen; 139 mp5; 10632 Armour; 4.11% melee crit; 38 spell crit; 141 +spell dmg; 1989 +heal; 4.11% dodge; 5% block; 21 resilience; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 535 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yqrb5x ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/338tcf ]] |
| 09:42.05 | Keya | I do 2v2 in a pally / wl combo - doesn't matter much wether i'm holy or prot |
| 09:42.12 | Fisker- | I HATE YOU Arrowmaster |
| 09:42.18 | cncfanatics | damn armory wont update, I usualy have 17k armor & 13.1k hp unbuffed |
| 09:42.29 | Fisker- | like massively :P |
| 09:42.37 | cncfanatics | FIsker-, we all hate trolls |
| 09:42.45 | cncfanatics | ~troll |
| 09:42.47 | purl | it has been said that troll is a race on some muds; a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or ... |
| 09:42.47 | Arrowmaster | you hate me for my release batch xbox360 that i never use? |
| 09:43.01 | Fisker- | Arrowmaster nah only for playing bioschok before me :( |
| 09:43.04 | [Ammo] | ~tuplad |
| 09:43.05 | purl | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/51.jpg |
| 09:43.14 | Fisker- | i should be ~troll |
| 09:43.21 | Arrowmaster | thats only if i actually can, my harddrives mostly full |
| 09:43.30 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 09:43.34 | Fisker- | 1,5GB i think |
| 09:43.39 | Fisker- | dunno if it's the same for the xbox |
| 09:44.02 | Arrowmaster | oh wait i need to reconnect the network cable and all too |
| 09:44.43 | art3mis | woah wait a sec |
| 09:44.55 | art3mis | theres a company called TrollTech? |
| 09:45.09 | cncfanatics | ~trolltech |
| 09:45.10 | purl | it has been said that trolltech is the international company that produces cross platform gui toolkits Qt, Qt Embedded and Qtopia. KDE uses Qt, and so does Opie see http://www.trolltech.com |
| 09:45.52 | cncfanatics | they made Qt |
| 09:45.57 | cncfanatics | (I think :p) |
| 09:46.00 | art3mis | http://trolltech.com/products/qtopia/greenphone/index <-- thats awesome |
| 09:46.49 | art3mis | not 900$ awesome mind you |
| 09:46.49 | Arrowmaster | 1.35gb for 360 bioshock demo |
| 09:46.58 | art3mis | but its still pretty cool |
| 09:48.59 | cncfanatics | hmmm I always thought Qt was free :o |
| 09:49.01 | cncfanatics | guess it aint |
| 09:49.27 | cncfanatics | oh it is for non commercial use |
| 09:49.31 | Grum | cncfanatics: it seems hard to push of crushings for a warrior |
| 09:49.40 | Grum | at least to do it as effective as a paladin does |
| 09:49.56 | Grum | how much efford is involved in keeping your +35% block up? |
| 09:49.56 | cncfanatics | They cant |
| 09:49.57 | Arrowmaster | only way to push crushing off for a warrior is sheildblock |
| 09:50.05 | cncfanatics | Grum, 200 mana every 10 sec |
| 09:50.09 | cncfanatics | 120 if I downrank it |
| 09:50.19 | Grum | downrank is less %? |
| 09:50.24 | cncfanatics | nah |
| 09:50.27 | cncfanatics | less dmg returned on blocking |
| 09:50.32 | cncfanatics | same % |
| 09:50.33 | Grum | lol |
| 09:50.36 | cncfanatics | ups |
| 09:50.40 | Grum | how much mana do you have? |
| 09:50.43 | Grum | raidbuffed? |
| 09:50.59 | cncfanatics | 5k |
| 09:51.02 | Grum | because that seems to be the only downside - your manapool |
| 09:51.03 | cncfanatics | but heals give me mana back |
| 09:51.06 | cncfanatics | nah |
| 09:51.12 | cncfanatics | my mana pool is a rage bar that starts full |
| 09:51.21 | cncfanatics | a 5k heal gives me 500 mana |
| 09:51.31 | cncfanatics | so on a boss I got unlimited as long as I get hit |
| 09:51.47 | Grum | hmm when *you* get healed you get 500 mana? O.o |
| 09:51.50 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 09:51.56 | Grum | you gotto be kidding |
| 09:52.00 | Arrowmaster | overheal doesnt count |
| 09:52.02 | cncfanatics | when *I* get healed I get 10% of the ammounts healed back |
| 09:52.06 | Nandini | one of the joys of being a tankadin |
| 09:52.16 | Grum | omg |
| 09:52.19 | Grum | i'm so going to level a paladin now |
| 09:52.27 | Grum | and make the most imba tank possible |
| 09:52.30 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 09:52.33 | cncfanatics | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=33776 |
| 09:52.38 | cncfanatics | thats the magical thing that lets us tank |
| 09:52.46 | Grum | because seriously, paladins are way above everything threat wise |
| 09:52.52 | Grum | and i mean *way* above |
| 09:52.56 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 09:53.00 | Fisker- | it was so much cooler before the nerf |
| 09:53.03 | Grum | especially on groups |
| 09:53.03 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 09:53.05 | Arrowmaster | my paladins like lvl 35, and i was going to go prot at 70 to tank, but i dont think ill be playing wow long enough to ever do that |
| 09:53.08 | Fisker- | 10% of ALL heals = mana back |
| 09:53.09 | cncfanatics | before the nerf |
| 09:53.14 | Fisker- | overheal, vampiric embrace, whatever |
| 09:53.14 | cncfanatics | I had so much craploads of mana |
| 09:53.24 | Fisker- | along with 100% mana back on crits |
| 09:53.30 | Fisker- | you could chaincast holy light almost :P |
| 09:53.39 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 09:53.42 | Grum | Fisker-: now it is only from direct heals and only for the amount healed? |
| 09:53.49 | cncfanatics | for the real ammount healed |
| 09:53.50 | art3mis | heh the old holy aoe would be funny with a pally |
| 09:53.54 | cncfanatics | so holy paladins dont get shit out of it |
| 09:53.57 | art3mis | it does damage and heals the party |
| 09:54.07 | Fisker- | i believe they removed so it doesn't affect vampiric embrace |
| 09:54.09 | Arrowmaster | yeah prenerf it was 1 shadowpriest + 4 paladin healers in a group = gtfo other healers your not needed |
| 09:54.13 | Fisker- | and then overheal doesn't count |
| 09:54.23 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster, that was sad |
| 09:54.26 | art3mis | ve still effects it last i saw anyways |
| 09:54.27 | Grum | but hots/ve works? |
| 09:54.28 | Fisker- | Arrowmaster and with spellsurge it's even more fun :P |
| 09:54.37 | cncfanatics | Grum, everything works as long as it actualy "heals" you |
| 09:54.40 | Fisker- | ok |
| 09:54.42 | cncfanatics | only overheal doesnt count |
| 09:54.48 | Fisker- | thought they also removed the vampiric embrace totally |
| 09:54.49 | Grum | but that is .. like .. amazing |
| 09:54.57 | cncfanatics | its what lets us tank |
| 09:55.04 | cncfanatics | works like a rage bar with that |
| 09:55.06 | Grum | else you would be oom in a second? |
| 09:55.10 | Keya | funny enough, I've found it easier or more convenient to tank normal instances in holy spec than prot spec - the extra damage comes handy 'cause I don't have to drink that often |
| 09:55.10 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 09:55.16 | cncfanatics | I can aggro for 15 sec without heals |
| 09:55.33 | cncfanatics | Keya, I wear my spelldmg set in 5mans :p |
| 09:55.36 | Grum | and you have 18k hp? |
| 09:55.39 | Arrowmaster | some guilds still do 1 shadowpriest + all the paladin healers in a party for fights like lurker where you can sit in the water and take constant damage |
| 09:55.44 | cncfanatics | raid buffed about 18k yea |
| 09:55.48 | cncfanatics | unbuffed 13.1 |
| 09:55.56 | Nandini | i wear my dps set tanking as a druid in 5-mans, can never get enough rage otherwise |
| 09:56.00 | Grum | and you also have the <20% is 50% dmg reduction right? :) |
| 09:56.12 | cncfanatics | !c eu khadgar evolve |
| 09:56.12 | Nandini | they just don't hit me hard enough and i don't hit hard enough back |
| 09:56.13 | cncfanatics | check for urself |
| 09:56.17 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Evolve, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (0/49/12). 12837 HP; 4788 Mana; 81 mana regen; 16169 Armour; 596 AP; 88.1 Melee DPS; 5.65% melee crit; 15 spell crit; 252 +spell dmg/heal; 294 defense; 19.18% dodge; 18.88% block; 31 resilience;[[ TBR: 1479 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/27evs8 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2sm7vw ]] |
| 09:56.30 | cncfanatics | thats not my full tank set though |
| 09:56.40 | cncfanatics | i'm wearing some spelldmg parts cuz we been wiping on void reaver |
| 09:56.52 | cncfanatics | and I dont got my armor aura active -.- |
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| 09:57.01 | Grum | ;) |
| 09:57.09 | cncfanatics | btw Grum |
| 09:57.15 | Grum | druids are fun, ~18khp, 29k armor O.o |
| 09:57.17 | cncfanatics | 1 holy damage will deal 1.9 threat as a paladin |
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| 09:57.19 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=450455874 <-WHAT?! |
| 09:57.24 | Industrial | Sphere externals are not set right |
| 09:57.33 | Industrial | it does not include Babble-Spell-2.2 |
| 09:57.40 | Industrial | fixit. |
| 09:57.42 | Industrial | that is all. |
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| 09:58.00 | Nandini | druids are fun, i get almost 38k armor when a priest heal crits on me |
| 09:58.16 | Nandini | but i need all that since i have no shield block |
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| 09:58.40 | Nandini | it's the only way to soak up those crushing blows |
| 09:58.55 | Grum | yup |
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| 09:59.08 | Grum | but the dmg reduction is so massive that it nearly negates the extra dmg from the crushing |
| 09:59.10 | Industrial | and SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0 |
| 09:59.12 | Industrial | pathetic. |
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| 09:59.14 | cncfanatics | Nandina, aint that over the cap anyway ? |
| 09:59.22 | cncfanatics | and it doesnt really negate it |
| 09:59.25 | cncfanatics | i'm at 60% dr |
| 09:59.27 | cncfanatics | druid is at 75% at cap |
| 09:59.34 | cncfanatics | it negates 35% of a crushing doesnt it ? |
| 09:59.38 | cncfanatics | 15%* |
| 09:59.50 | Nandini | a crushing blow on me is more like a normal hit on a warrior |
| 09:59.53 | Grum | crushing was 1.6x right? |
| 10:00.00 | Nandini | crushing is just 1.5x |
| 10:00.05 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 10:00.15 | cncfanatics | how can it be like a normal hit on a warrior with only 15% more DR ? |
| 10:00.18 | cncfanatics | sounds totaly illogical |
| 10:00.35 | Nandini | i meant warriors at my gear level |
| 10:00.58 | Grum | 19281 is ~64% |
| 10:01.09 | cncfanatics | well, i'm geared in kara gear |
| 10:01.11 | cncfanatics | and i'm at 60% DR |
| 10:01.15 | Nandini | that's the drawback of bear druids, we max out very early on damage reduction |
| 10:01.20 | Grum | how much is 29k armor? :) |
| 10:01.23 | Nandini | and after that all we can do is try and increase dodge |
| 10:01.37 | Grum | Nandini: what do you consider 'early'? |
| 10:01.38 | CIA-14 | 03jerry 07jerry * r46425 10Grid/Grid/ (4 files): Grid: (branch) Updates to deDE and frFR locales |
| 10:01.43 | cncfanatics | ssc level I supose |
| 10:01.46 | art3mis | awww poor bear druids ;( |
| 10:01.47 | cncfanatics | if I heard right from other druids |
| 10:01.47 | Grum | after tk/ssc? |
| 10:02.00 | Grum | ah well |
| 10:02.19 | Grum | the most fun part is: a druid is a 3-4 button tank, a paladin 2-3 buttons more |
| 10:02.23 | Grum | and then look at a warrior.... |
| 10:02.38 | Grum | the amount of work they have to do to push out threat .. not quite fair |
| 10:02.42 | cncfanatics | hmmm 2-3 buttons paladin |
| 10:02.47 | cncfanatics | I cant aggro with that few buttons -.- |
| 10:02.53 | Grum | i said more ;) |
| 10:02.56 | Arrowmaster | my friends druid maxed out his armor before SSC/TK |
| 10:02.59 | cncfanatics | oh |
| 10:03.05 | Keya | but a druid tank can turn into decent dps with 1 click |
| 10:03.06 | Grum | so 6-7 :) |
| 10:03.14 | cncfanatics | yea thats about right |
| 10:03.17 | Arrowmaster | no they cant |
| 10:03.25 | Arrowmaster | tank gear is shitty for dkp |
| 10:03.28 | Grum | warriors also have 6-7 *and* panicbuttons |
| 10:03.33 | cncfanatics | Grum |
| 10:03.40 | cncfanatics | paladins getting panicbuttons next patch |
| 10:03.43 | Keya | well 1 click, 1 Out of Combat, 1 click on itemrack |
| 10:03.43 | cncfanatics | and i'm TOTALY gonna LOVE them |
| 10:03.50 | Arrowmaster | what panic buttons? |
| 10:03.56 | cncfanatics | a seal |
| 10:04.00 | cncfanatics | with a 4 minute cooldown |
| 10:04.01 | Grum | shieldwall/last stand for warriors |
| 10:04.02 | art3mis | hehe i love hearing druids complain about thier class |
| 10:04.07 | art3mis | it always makes me giggle |
| 10:04.12 | Grum | druids must be the easiest class to play |
| 10:04.14 | Grum | really |
| 10:04.14 | cncfanatics | the seal is a bit complicated but i'll try to explain it |
| 10:04.19 | Nandini | i'm not complaining, i think it's the most fun class to play |
| 10:04.25 | Keya | cncfanatics: Woot?? Were? |
| 10:04.27 | Arrowmaster | actually theyre one of the harder ones |
| 10:04.29 | Grum | it's the most diverse one |
| 10:04.30 | Nandini | and it's not very complicated to press 3 or 4 buttons :) |
| 10:04.33 | cncfanatics | each time you hit while the seal is up, you gain a 3% hp buff |
| 10:04.41 | cncfanatics | stacks up to a total of 30% extra hp |
| 10:04.53 | Arrowmaster | thats not a panic button.... |
| 10:04.58 | cncfanatics | it is |
| 10:05.02 | cncfanatics | when you know an enrage is coming |
| 10:05.05 | Grum | not really a button ;) |
| 10:05.08 | cncfanatics | and it can stack up FAST |
| 10:05.08 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
| 10:05.14 | cncfanatics | it stacks up on all holy dmg done |
| 10:05.17 | cncfanatics | so thats damn fast |
| 10:05.18 | Grum | how long does it last? |
| 10:05.26 | Nandini | but there are some situations where druids AND pallies have to work a bit harder and a bit smarter than a warrior to control a fight |
| 10:05.28 | cncfanatics | 40 seconds if u dont judge it if I remember well |
| 10:05.37 | cncfanatics | but the judgement is damn imba |
| 10:05.43 | Arrowmaster | whats the judgement? |
| 10:05.46 | Grum | Nandini: name one :) |
| 10:05.49 | cncfanatics | 10% less damage done debuff, its refreshed on all holy damage done by the paladin |
| 10:05.56 | Arrowmaster | Grum: fear |
| 10:06.01 | cncfanatics | so u can judge the 10% less damage done debuff at start, and keep it up during the whole fight |
| 10:06.07 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster, I can manage nightbane without any tremors |
| 10:06.14 | Nandini | example: horde bear druid tanking in a fear situation, we can't stance dance |
| 10:06.15 | Arrowmaster | how? |
| 10:06.20 | Grum | Arrowmaster: you think a warrior switching stances is fun/easy? :D |
| 10:06.27 | cncfanatics | he doesnt fear often, and both bubble & BoP make you immune to it |
| 10:06.31 | Grum | that even adds more stress because you only have 2s at most to do it |
| 10:06.33 | Arrowmaster | warrior stance dances is easy |
| 10:06.40 | cncfanatics | bubbling whilke he casts is easy too |
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| 10:06.55 | cncfanatics | one button to click and i'm immune to it :p |
| 10:06.57 | Nandini | i have a warrior too, stance dancing is not always easy to time, especially with high latency |
| 10:07.03 | Grum | yup |
| 10:07.06 | Nandini | but at least it is a consistent strategy to use against fear |
| 10:07.25 | Grum | you have 1.5 second to see *and* change stance + use spell |
| 10:07.26 | cncfanatics | well, yea, 30 sec cooldown I think on that thingy ? |
| 10:07.27 | Arrowmaster | warriors in my guild could stance dance nightbane with only their mouse if they wanted to |
| 10:07.31 | Grum | yeah 30s |
| 10:07.37 | cncfanatics | wish I had a 30 sec cd fear breaker |
| 10:07.42 | cncfanatics | or ward |
| 10:07.47 | Grum | Arrowmaster: sure but you still have to do it |
| 10:07.50 | Grum | doing more == harder work |
| 10:07.56 | Iceroth | i wish i had a way to break the fear without trinket... |
| 10:07.58 | cncfanatics | who said tanking was easy ? |
| 10:08.04 | Grum | i wonder how boring it must be to be a tree-healer :D |
| 10:08.05 | cncfanatics | Iceroth, druid ? |
| 10:08.10 | Iceroth | y.. |
| 10:08.14 | Grum | watch hots .. hot the world |
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| 10:08.17 | cncfanatics | those have it even harder then palas for fear-.- |
| 10:08.22 | Nandini | this was just an example of one situation where a warrior has an extra option that druids can't quite approximate |
| 10:08.27 | Diao | of course they can |
| 10:08.33 | Grum | Nandini: the problem is having extra options |
| 10:08.35 | Diao | play alliance and bring an ezmode priest |
| 10:08.36 | Diao | :\ |
| 10:08.37 | Grum | you depend on using them |
| 10:08.43 | Grum | diversity brings complexity :) |
| 10:08.54 | cncfanatics | diversity brings fun |
| 10:08.58 | Grum | yeah |
| 10:09.02 | cncfanatics | it wouldnt be fun if I could tank spamming my "1" key |
| 10:09.04 | Nandini | yup, there are many more things to keep track of as a warrior tank |
| 10:09.12 | Grum | but it's not 'fair' to see druids pump out 900tps with smashing 2 buttons |
| 10:09.16 | cncfanatics | its as much as a palatank from what I noticed |
| 10:09.20 | Grum | compared to a warrior doing that and working its ass of |
| 10:09.27 | cncfanatics | except a warrior pumps out less threat out of the same effort |
| 10:09.43 | cncfanatics | whats warrior TPS in block value gear ? |
| 10:09.47 | Grum | warriors with unlimited rage do more TPS dan druids |
| 10:09.56 | Grum | euuh dunno tbh |
| 10:10.02 | cncfanatics | and paladins with unlimited mana do more TPS then warriors :) |
| 10:10.09 | Grum | likely |
| 10:10.16 | Grum | especially on groups |
| 10:10.24 | cncfanatics | single target too, but slightly |
| 10:10.25 | Nandini | yup, that's why they had to give us a set bonus on T6 to add 15% more threat to one of our two tanking skills |
| 10:10.28 | cncfanatics | on groups paladin beats all |
| 10:10.48 | Grum | i want 2 t5 pieces on my priest |
| 10:10.52 | Grum | really .. that is beyond imba |
| 10:11.04 | cncfanatics | if ur gheal overheals u get mana ? |
| 10:11.05 | Grum | i might even drop my mooncloth setbonus then :) |
| 10:11.06 | Grum | yeah |
| 10:11.09 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 10:11.12 | Arrowmaster | i wasnt set bonuses that dont suck ass on my warlock |
| 10:11.12 | cncfanatics | imba for MT healing ? |
| 10:11.15 | Grum | yup |
| 10:11.20 | Arrowmaster | s/wasnt/want/ |
| 10:11.30 | Grum | !c eu doomhammer xaros |
| 10:11.30 | Iceroth | feral t5 2-set is imba (for pvp) |
| 10:11.31 | Nandini | by the time a warrior reaches the same level of gear, his dps AND tps will have increased 15% |
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| 10:11.46 | cncfanatics | Nandini, how are warriors suposed to increase their tps by 15% |
| 10:11.48 | Nandini | they wanted to make sure druid tanks dps didn't increase the same way, so they just gave bonus threat instead |
| 10:11.55 | cncfanatics | a dps increase of 15% is like a 5% tps increase for a warrior |
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| 10:12.04 | cncfanatics | or less |
| 10:12.17 | Grum | that's with mooncloth - if i use full t4 - my healing drops 50, mp5 drops 20, but i gain ~750 hp and ~500 mana orso |
| 10:12.21 | Grum | t4 sucks ;( |
| 10:12.24 | cncfanatics | from what I know, TPS scales very very badly for warriors (can any warrior confirm that ? ) |
| 10:12.24 | Grum | mooncloth is too good :( |
| 10:12.33 | Diao | warriors don't get flat tps increase |
| 10:12.37 | Diao | we have TERRIBLE increase |
| 10:12.44 | Diao | all our threat is static except for shieldslam |
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| 10:12.54 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 10:13.00 | Grum | cncfanatics: well from what i've seen (on vaelsta) is that with unlimited rage warriors dish out ~10% more tps than druids |
| 10:13.02 | cncfanatics | any difference in the TPS of a kara geared tank and a BT geared one ? |
| 10:13.08 | Diao | barely |
| 10:13.10 | cncfanatics | Grum, thats not the point |
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| 10:13.26 | Grum | i'm not sure but our MT does around 750-850 constant |
| 10:13.30 | Diao | probably a difference of 100 at most |
| 10:13.38 | cncfanatics | the point is that the pala threat (and druids too ? or not ?) will go up with gear and warrior wont |
| 10:13.39 | Grum | that is with pre SSC/TK gear mostly |
| 10:13.46 | Diao | in prekara/kara gear i can average around 900ish |
| 10:13.47 | Diao | going all out |
| 10:13.50 | cncfanatics | pre SSC/TK threat is rarely an issue |
| 10:13.52 | Punkie` | cncfanatics: the problem warriors have is better gear makes it harder to hold aggro on the same bosses |
| 10:13.52 | nevcairiel | you get more hit, more dps on your tanking weapons, etc .. there is a diff |
| 10:14.02 | cncfanatics | Punkie` all tanks got that |
| 10:14.06 | Punkie` | more mitigation = less rage |
| 10:14.10 | Grum | yeah |
| 10:14.13 | cncfanatics | same for paladins & druids |
| 10:14.20 | cncfanatics | druids same as u said |
| 10:14.24 | cncfanatics | palas is more mitigation = less mana |
| 10:14.27 | Grum | a MT in Ramparts is just so much fun :D |
| 10:14.40 | Diao | well |
| 10:14.42 | Grum | really... i cried my ass of when i pulled aggro healing ;D |
| 10:14.47 | Diao | druids mainly gain armor and stam |
| 10:14.51 | Diao | so they're still getting hit |
| 10:14.57 | Fisker- | Druids have insane rage generation from their weapons as far as i remember |
| 10:15.00 | Diao | yes |
| 10:15.02 | nevcairiel | druids gain alot of dodge |
| 10:15.03 | Diao | everytime they crit |
| 10:15.05 | Diao | = free attack |
| 10:15.06 | cncfanatics | their weapons give 800 AP, no surprise |
| 10:15.08 | Arrowmaster | druids cap out on armor before everybody else |
| 10:15.16 | Diao | so they don't have to worry about rage as much |
| 10:15.17 | Nandini | well, a crit gives us 5 rage to be exact, with talents |
| 10:15.18 | cncfanatics | druids are the only ones able to even cap out on armor Arrowmaster |
| 10:15.21 | Diao | i've never seen a druid run out of rage |
| 10:15.30 | Grum | what is the armor cap? 25000? |
| 10:15.31 | Nandini | 5 rage isn't enough for any of our abilities, but it helps |
| 10:15.40 | Arrowmaster | 30000-31000 i think |
| 10:15.42 | cncfanatics | I've rarely seen a warrior get out of rage on a serious bossfight either |
| 10:15.44 | Punkie` | I think paladins have it easier for aggro generation really, although mana may be a problem, better gear gives you more tps right? |
| 10:15.50 | Iceroth | 3+ mobs and swipe spam = win :) |
| 10:15.51 | Grum | cncfanatics: not on 25m bosses indeed |
| 10:15.51 | Punkie` | more spelldamage etc |
| 10:15.54 | Nandini | the armor cap is about 38000 for 75% DR vs. a level 73 boss |
| 10:15.56 | nevcairiel | warriors can get out of rage |
| 10:16.03 | nevcairiel | when they spam heroic strike |
| 10:16.05 | cncfanatics | Punkie` depends what parts, all our armor is aimed at mitigation, only the weapon is aimed at threat |
| 10:16.05 | nevcairiel | and have good dodge |
| 10:16.06 | Grum | i've seen our mt run out of rage on Curator before O.o |
| 10:16.10 | Grum | that was .. scary ;D |
| 10:16.27 | cncfanatics | so weapon upgrades are huge threat upgrades for palas |
| 10:16.30 | Iceroth | and sure a druid can ran out of rage, just spam maul |
| 10:16.33 | Nandini | druids are meant to get hit and crushed, so a lot of our rage generation comes from that |
| 10:16.39 | Grum | yup |
| 10:16.53 | Grum | but they can flatten out any spike they get |
| 10:17.00 | Grum | which makes them imba for bosses like morogrim |
| 10:17.04 | Nandini | yup, we are easy to heal |
| 10:17.17 | Grum | also threat generation is really good |
| 10:17.25 | Grum | we always use druids on our first kill target |
| 10:17.25 | nevcairiel | we had a druid tank najenthus, he crushes for like 5k .. was really easy to heal |
| 10:17.26 | Nandini | and we have big comfy cushions of hp too |
| 10:17.29 | Grum | because you can instantly start doing massive dps |
| 10:17.35 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 10:17.40 | Punkie` | warriors should put parry before dodge, but parry is really rare in tbc |
| 10:17.40 | cncfanatics | u cant till they got some rage though |
| 10:17.51 | cncfanatics | palas are better at that imo for burst threat at start |
| 10:17.58 | Grum | not really |
| 10:18.01 | cncfanatics | as our bars start full |
| 10:18.08 | Grum | erm sorry |
| 10:18.13 | Grum | i read bears > warrior |
| 10:18.19 | Diao | parry is expensive |
| 10:18.21 | Grum | and yes pallies are the best :) |
| 10:18.22 | Diao | statwise |
| 10:18.25 | Grum | yup |
| 10:18.26 | cncfanatics | yea indeed |
| 10:18.27 | Punkie` | yeah, but it rocks |
| 10:18.28 | Nandini | i agree, pallies have a bit of an advantage there, but it usually doesn't take much more than 1 or 2 seconds for my rage bar to fill up :) |
| 10:18.30 | Grum | which is strange |
| 10:18.31 | nevcairiel | we have a warrior or druid just get misdirect on a boss, and we can instantly start dps without any issues |
| 10:18.40 | cncfanatics | true enough too |
| 10:18.42 | Nandini | <3 misdirection :) |
| 10:18.43 | cncfanatics | MD rocks |
| 10:18.44 | Grum | our druids dont get MD O.o |
| 10:18.46 | Punkie` | likewise nevcairiel |
| 10:18.57 | cncfanatics | I never get MD as pally, except for void reaver |
| 10:19.04 | Grum | they just instantly do 1400tps for the first 5-8 seconds |
| 10:19.19 | cncfanatics | they in dps gear or what ? :o |
| 10:19.23 | Grum | nope |
| 10:19.25 | Nandini | hey i'll take free threat whenever i can get it |
| 10:19.26 | Grum | dunno how but they do O.o |
| 10:19.45 | Grum | we did magtheridon with 2 hunters yesterday (and 4 tanks) |
| 10:19.49 | nevcairiel | when you are crit-lucky everythnig is possible |
| 10:19.50 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 10:19.55 | Grum | so we had 2 adds MDs on the second tanker |
| 10:20.18 | Nandini | when druids add dodge, we tend to do so through agility, which also raises our crit |
| 10:20.20 | Grum | and the druid pulling of the second add of that tank when the first was dead |
| 10:20.32 | cncfanatics | I never saw maggy |
| 10:20.33 | cncfanatics | sigh |
| 10:20.34 | Grum | then kill the add with the second tank so she can MT mags |
| 10:20.36 | Nandini | when we crit, we get more threat, and we gain rage, which adds extra aoe threat too |
| 10:20.48 | nevcairiel | i really wish they wouldnt have removed attument on ssc/tk |
| 10:20.50 | cncfanatics | didnt get a damn boss down in a month, might just end up leaving if that keeps up |
| 10:20.54 | Grum | nevcairiel: indeed |
| 10:20.59 | Grum | we got all our people SSC attuned |
| 10:21.05 | Grum | and some TK |
| 10:21.07 | nevcairiel | all those cheap guilds doing lootreaver now |
| 10:21.07 | Grum | and then they removed it |
| 10:21.12 | nevcairiel | without ever seeing the heroics or maggy |
| 10:21.19 | Grum | it also sucks you can skip hydross tbh |
| 10:21.37 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, a tank that never did heroics before lootreaver is a dead tank :p |
| 10:21.44 | cncfanatics | some pieces are really great |
| 10:21.51 | Grum | i see so many guilds killing Morogrim->Lurker->Karatrhess->Leo -> Hydross |
| 10:22.12 | Arrowmaster | heh |
| 10:22.13 | Grum | we did Hydross->Lurker =D |
| 10:22.14 | cncfanatics | is he that hard ? |
| 10:22.15 | nevcairiel | we got a ssc id last week from another guild |
| 10:22.18 | Grum | and got delayed by a month orso ;D |
| 10:22.19 | nevcairiel | hydross and vashj still alive |
| 10:22.31 | Arrowmaster | we did hydross->lurker->morogrim->karathress |
| 10:22.39 | Grum | that is what we're doing arrow :) |
| 10:22.40 | nevcairiel | hydross isnt that hard, just needs resistance gear |
| 10:22.43 | Arrowmaster | and then couldnt kill leo or karathress again |
| 10:22.48 | Grum | lol and people with clue nevcairiel |
| 10:23.01 | Grum | 'do not pull aggro at a switch' .. ooh too late .. +4 adds wipe |
| 10:23.07 | Punkie` | most fights need people with a clue :P |
| 10:23.10 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 10:23.12 | Grum | we generally lack that |
| 10:23.16 | Grum | i should make an addon for that |
| 10:23.20 | cncfanatics | unfortunatly, we lack any dps with a god damn clue |
| 10:23.22 | Punkie` | why? |
| 10:23.22 | [Ammo] | and someone to hammer the clue into them over vent |
| 10:23.25 | cncfanatics | which is why we wipe at gruul & lootreave |
| 10:23.26 | Punkie` | just shout at them down vent |
| 10:23.39 | Grum | we killed lootreaver in 7m52s last time |
| 10:23.44 | Iceroth | our greatest problem is that the 1 clueless can wipe the raid in tbc generally (maggy, hydros,..), pre-tbc they only got themselves killed |
| 10:23.47 | nevcairiel | the first days on hydross.. |
| 10:23.50 | Grum | and we wiped 5 times till we got respawns @ Gruul yesterday |
| 10:23.51 | cncfanatics | some of our dps manage to die 1 minute into the lootreaver fight |
| 10:23.51 | Arrowmaster | our last 2 lootreaver kills have been right before the enrage |
| 10:23.52 | nevcairiel | i know all the problems :P |
| 10:23.55 | Arrowmaster | so sad |
| 10:24.11 | [Ammo] | every guild has issues with the clueless |
| 10:24.11 | ccKep | hmhmhm... just read that attack table article on wowwiki, never bothered with it because I'm never going to melee or tank.. can someone explain some things to me? |
| 10:24.15 | Punkie` | Iceroth: Did you do Thaddius? :p |
| 10:24.22 | cncfanatics | ccKep |
| 10:24.23 | cncfanatics | it works like this |
| 10:24.26 | cncfanatics | there is a single roll |
| 10:24.27 | nevcairiel | thaddius was fun |
| 10:24.28 | ccKep | yaya |
| 10:24.28 | Grum | ccKep: it's quite strange that 'Crushing' gets no % |
| 10:24.30 | ccKep | I know that |
| 10:24.31 | cncfanatics | and there are priorities |
| 10:24.33 | ccKep | thats not my question |
| 10:24.40 | Arrowmaster | last lootreaver kill i was like 'wtf i just had to soulshatter before 70%, oh wait wtf i dont have salv' |
| 10:24.43 | ccKep | Grum: crushing has 15% ? |
| 10:24.44 | Iceroth | Punkie`, never got the kill, tried him a couple of times and then the tbc came |
| 10:24.53 | Iceroth | but yeah, i know what you mean :) |
| 10:24.54 | cncfanatics | crushing is 15% chance, and gets pushed off the table first |
| 10:24.54 | Punkie` | Thaddius was just ridiculous with it crashing people |
| 10:24.55 | Grum | mmm then i complete missed that |
| 10:24.56 | ccKep | cncfanatics: my "question" is: |
| 10:24.59 | nevcairiel | i really enjoyed the news that naxxramas will be entry-level raid in WotlK |
| 10:25.02 | [Ammo] | disconnect -> zom nooo |
| 10:25.06 | Arrowmaster | and the dumbshit prot pally that was assigned to salv said 'i dont even see you on threatmeters anymore your fine |
| 10:25.08 | ccKep | if you max out dodge and stuff |
| 10:25.24 | ccKep | you push out the "ordinary hit" from the table, don't you...? |
| 10:25.28 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 10:25.31 | [Ammo] | SEEEEEEEEX |
| 10:25.32 | Arrowmaster | so i start attacking and i'm 2nd on threat in less than a minute |
| 10:25.33 | nevcairiel | i really wonder what people did to disconnect or get extremly low fps |
| 10:25.34 | [Ammo] | oh wait |
| 10:25.35 | cncfanatics | u will push out ordinary hits first |
| 10:25.36 | [Ammo] | wrong channel :p |
| 10:25.46 | nevcairiel | ive never had problems anywhere with crashing or whatever |
| 10:25.50 | cncfanatics | and then, when u cant push anymore ordinary hits off the table anymore u'll start push off crushings |
| 10:25.55 | ccKep | that means every hit that is landed on you is either blocked, parried, blabla, crushing? |
| 10:26.00 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 10:26.01 | Grum | yes |
| 10:26.03 | [Ammo] | nevcairiel: some people play on coalpowered internet |
| 10:26.05 | Punkie` | I hope that wasn't meant for a PM to me ammo O.O |
| 10:26.10 | ccKep | so any decent warrior can not get "hit" ? |
| 10:26.13 | [Ammo] | in backwater places like the UK :p |
| 10:26.17 | Punkie` | lol |
| 10:26.18 | Grum | where 'blocked' is the most useless stat |
| 10:26.21 | Grum | ccKep: indeed |
| 10:26.21 | cncfanatics | ccKep, a warrior with shield block up can not get hit |
| 10:26.22 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:26.37 | Punkie` | the UK people rarely get internet problems, we just have bigger pings usually :P |
| 10:26.46 | Grum | parry/dodge/miss are 100% migations right? |
| 10:26.50 | Punkie` | it's always those danes |
| 10:26.51 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 10:26.52 | nevcairiel | when i heard people back on thaddius say "brb relog have to turn addons off".. |
| 10:27.15 | Punkie` | or BRB, need to disable all addons and turn my gfx settings to low |
| 10:27.21 | [Ammo] | thaddius had a general problem with a lot of burst data when the shift happened |
| 10:27.31 | Arrowmaster | =( |
| 10:27.41 | Arrowmaster | i run my gfx setting on low and still get shit fps |
| 10:27.44 | Punkie` | yeah, I guess because the aura happened on everyone |
| 10:27.46 | [Ammo] | and the graphics were kinda rough |
| 10:27.56 | ccKep | so ordinary hits can only be taken from behind (to a decent geared warrior) right? |
| 10:28.16 | [Ammo] | but fact is: clue > anything |
| 10:28.35 | [Ammo] | clue > communication > rest... |
| 10:28.38 | ccKep | (or if not otherwise stunned) |
| 10:28.50 | cncfanatics | ccKep, indeed |
| 10:29.00 | Nandini | as long as the warrior has shield block up and it still has charges |
| 10:29.05 | Arrowmaster | hearing about a former guild member that got kicked and went to a different guild getting 1shot by mag while tanking him because he turned his back to him while possitioning makes me laugh |
| 10:29.15 | cncfanatics | some bosses, like prince, hit that fast the warrior WILL run out of charges though |
| 10:29.34 | nevcairiel | i only say heigan :P |
| 10:29.36 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster, I did that on prince :p |
| 10:29.40 | Grum | ccKep: decently geared warriors means having 490 defense which gives 25% block which in turn gives 100% with shieldblock on:) |
| 10:29.47 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: you got 1shot? how |
| 10:29.54 | cncfanatics | I turned my back to prince |
| 10:29.55 | Nandini | yeah i have problems with prince on my druid if i get unlucky with a string of crushing blows |
| 10:29.57 | ccKep | I mean even without shield block |
| 10:29.59 | cncfanatics | and he then got 4 crushings off |
| 10:30.02 | Arrowmaster | ouch |
| 10:30.09 | Megalon | Grum: being at 490 def doesn't give you 25% block |
| 10:30.19 | cncfanatics | phase 2 ofc |
| 10:30.21 | Grum | humz then why is that considered such a magical value |
| 10:30.33 | cncfanatics | Grum, because it makes you crit immune |
| 10:30.35 | nevcairiel | heigan was a fight to kill anyone who didnt have a clue, and i loved it for it :D |
| 10:30.36 | Grum | erm yes doh |
| 10:30.37 | Arrowmaster | because 490 defense pushes crits off the table |
| 10:30.40 | Grum | i completely forgot that ;D |
| 10:30.41 | Nandini | 490 def makes you crit "immune" to level 73 bosses |
| 10:31.00 | Punkie` | Grum: You need more than 25% block to be immune to crushings in most cases too |
| 10:31.05 | cncfanatics | as any tanking class you have more then 25% chance to block, parry, be missed or dodge, so u dont need anything |
| 10:31.05 | Grum | and that is because defense gives you parry/block/dodge right? ;D |
| 10:31.08 | Grum | Punkie`: you do? how much more? |
| 10:31.16 | Punkie` | because a level 73 mob has more +hit, so you need to counteract that |
| 10:31.28 | cncfanatics | you need totaly nothing to become crush immune as warrior with shield block up |
| 10:31.28 | Grum | i wonder by how much |
| 10:31.30 | nevcairiel | block+parry+dodge has to be 100% |
| 10:31.31 | nevcairiel | or so |
| 10:31.36 | Arrowmaster | 102.4% |
| 10:31.40 | cncfanatics | block + parry + dodge + miss has to be 102.4% |
| 10:31.51 | Punkie` | yep |
| 10:31.53 | Grum | 'miss' i dont really get |
| 10:31.57 | cncfanatics | with the 75% from shield block that means u need 27.4% block + parry + dodge + miss from gear |
| 10:32.01 | Nandini | the extra 2.4% is the 0.8% bonus per level above you the mob gets to hit you |
| 10:32.02 | cncfanatics | defence adds chance to be msised |
| 10:32.05 | Grum | that is just a static value assigned to the mob right? |
| 10:32.08 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 10:32.09 | cncfanatics | and u also have a base 5% chance to be missed |
| 10:32.13 | cncfanatics | Grum, nope |
| 10:32.20 | nevcairiel | every mob has a 5% miss chance against his own level |
| 10:32.22 | cncfanatics | its from your defence |
| 10:32.23 | Grum | how much miss% per defense rating? |
| 10:32.26 | cncfanatics | same as crit |
| 10:32.32 | Nandini | same as every other rating |
| 10:32.33 | cncfanatics | not much, but it adds up |
| 10:32.40 | Grum | how much crit per defense rating ? ;) |
| 10:33.04 | Arrowmaster | its i think its 0.02% or 0.04% per defense skill |
| 10:33.17 | Nandini | defense rating turns into defense skill which turns into an equal chance to be missed, to avoid crits, to parry, and to block |
| 10:33.32 | Grum | Increases the chance of being missed by an attack by .04% |
| 10:33.32 | Megalon | it's -0.04% crit per defense |
| 10:33.47 | cncfanatics | then its +0.04% chance to be missed too |
| 10:33.51 | Nandini | correct |
| 10:33.54 | cncfanatics | and +0.04% chance to parry dodge or block |
| 10:34.03 | Arrowmaster | and its 6:30am and im tired, im going to bed |
| 10:34.07 | cncfanatics | g'night |
| 10:34.15 | Nandini | so you get 0.16% "mitigation" out of each defense |
| 10:34.23 | Grum | hmm is that per rating point? |
| 10:34.28 | cncfanatics | per skill |
| 10:34.30 | Nandini | 0.16% avoidance, i should say |
| 10:34.38 | Grum | how much rating for 1 skill :D |
| 10:34.41 | cncfanatics | cant remember how much rating u need per skill |
| 10:34.47 | cncfanatics | btw |
| 10:34.53 | Arrowmaster | when people talk about defense its always in skill not rating |
| 10:34.54 | Nandini | it's like 14.1 rating i think per skill point |
| 10:35.04 | Nandini | at level 70 |
| 10:35.05 | cncfanatics | nah not that much |
| 10:35.27 | Mecdemort | ok after you set the tooltip, how do you get it to show up |
| 10:35.29 | cncfanatics | 294 rating gives me 124 defense skill |
| 10:35.30 | cncfanatics | go calculate |
| 10:35.33 | Grum | 1 Defense Rating is worth 0.423 Defense Skill. |
| 10:35.34 | Nandini | oh it's 2.4 rating per skill |
| 10:35.49 | cncfanatics | time to eat now |
| 10:35.56 | Grum | 2.36 DR even Nandini |
| 10:36.06 | Grum | you get 350 skill by default |
| 10:36.26 | Nandini | hmm on my druid it works out to 2.4285714285714285714285714285714 rating = 1 skill on my character sheet |
| 10:36.37 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:37.01 | Nandini | defense rating of 204 = defense skill of 84 |
| 10:37.09 | Nandini | 86, rather |
| 10:37.14 | Nandini | but that's probably rounded |
| 10:37.24 | nevcairiel | 2.37 according to wowwiki |
| 10:37.27 | ccKep | 2.377 on a guildy warrior |
| 10:37.39 | ccKep | 359 rating -> 151 defense |
| 10:37.51 | nevcairiel | 2.4 according to some blue post |
| 10:37.55 | nevcairiel | but its rounded ofc |
| 10:38.04 | Nandini | warriors are probably more accurate since they require more defense skill than druids to become crit immune |
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| 10:38.34 | Iceroth | btw, does def apply to all crits or only melee crits? |
| 10:38.35 | Nandini | druids really only need a total of 415 defense skill to become crit immune, it's more beneficial to us to add agility or dodge after that point |
| 10:38.40 | Nandini | only melee crits |
| 10:38.45 | Nandini | spells never crit in pve |
| 10:39.21 | Iceroth | ah, 2 new things for the price of 1, thanks :) |
| 10:39.21 | Nandini | (mob spells never crit against players, to be exact) |
| 10:39.44 | Grum | 343 -> 145 for our mt |
| 10:40.00 | Grum | 2.365517241379310345 |
| 10:40.13 | Nandini | yup, there must be some rounding involved somewhere when they give the number "2.4" |
| 10:40.21 | Grum | yup |
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| 10:41.01 | Grum | but still that gives 350+20+145 ... 505 defense which would be: 20.2% miss |
| 10:41.15 | nevcairiel | they are listed for lvl 60 in the datafiles |
| 10:41.21 | nevcairiel | and calculated for other levels |
| 10:41.21 | Megalon | grum: it's +165 def |
| 10:41.22 | Megalon | not +505 |
| 10:41.23 | Megalon | :x |
| 10:41.28 | nevcairiel | that gives some floating point numbers ;) |
| 10:41.43 | Grum | Megalon: humz so you only get miss for the 'extra' |
| 10:41.46 | Grum | that seems rather silly |
| 10:42.18 | Mecdemort | how would I set the GameTooltip to the normal anchor that it uses? |
| 10:42.18 | Megalon | gruum: because? |
| 10:42.19 | Nandini | find whatever addon you used to change it and delete it or its settings |
| 10:42.24 | Megalon | mobs have maxed out weaponskill |
| 10:42.27 | Grum | why have defense as a stat at all then |
| 10:42.37 | Grum | as a 'base' stat that is |
| 10:42.41 | Megalon | why have weaponskill as a stat? |
| 10:42.57 | Grum | mm it's compared against the mob ofc |
| 10:43.03 | Grum | so the 'base' gets negated by that |
| 10:43.06 | Nandini | it's a simple way for them to allocate several related stats in one item bonus or character skill |
| 10:44.09 | Grum | so against a lvl70 mob a defense skill of 505 would give 165 -> 6.6% miss |
| 10:44.11 | Iceroth | btw, just out of curiosity: let's say a warrior has leveled 1->70 using only swords amd decides to go eeezy mode and spec maces, how long would it take to lvl up mace weapon skill? |
| 10:44.25 | Grum | do you have a healer? |
| 10:44.43 | Nandini | defense rating is an easy shorthand way for warriors and paladins to gauge how much an item will help them tank |
| 10:45.04 | Nandini | and for druids too, to a smaller extent (since we can't parry or block) |
| 10:45.06 | Iceroth | i don't even have a warrior :) |
| 10:45.35 | Grum | if you have a healer - just go do that servant quest (not sure of name) in Blasted Lands |
| 10:45.41 | Grum | and after that start hitting those servants |
| 10:45.44 | Grum | and get some tea |
| 10:45.52 | Megalon | gruum: it will give you more miss%, but the mobs weaponskill will give the mob a corresponding +hit% ;o |
| 10:46.09 | Grum | Megalon: yeah |
| 10:46.25 | Iceroth | well sure but how long would that take? some hours for sure but... days? |
| 10:46.36 | Grum | 2-3 hours orso |
| 10:46.44 | Grum | it's wise to use intbuffs :) |
| 10:46.47 | Nandini | it took me a couple hours to level a fast weapon from 0 to 350 |
| 10:46.59 | Nandini | buy some cheap cloth int gear from the AH |
| 10:47.00 | ramoz | As a warrior use Sunder Armor |
| 10:47.02 | ramoz | its instant |
| 10:47.02 | Nandini | eat int food |
| 10:47.09 | Grum | use some pally gear =) (not kidding - int helps with learning) |
| 10:47.17 | ccKep | they removed the "int" stuff from the weapon skill tooltip some time ago... |
| 10:47.18 | Grum | and use a 1.5s weapon |
| 10:47.21 | ccKep | wondering if its still affected |
| 10:47.22 | Grum | preferred dualwielded |
| 10:47.22 | Iceroth | only? i leveled my weapon skill as druid pre-tbc there by pulling a servant to the castle and let the elites tank it, took hours :s |
| 10:47.26 | Nandini | int does help, trust me |
| 10:47.33 | Nandini | i put on my healing gear to level weapons as a druid |
| 10:47.46 | Nandini | and equip a fast, low damage weapon |
| 10:47.57 | ramoz | but, for me, as a warlock, it's taken over 2hrs to get from 349 to 350 unarmed, still dont have it |
| 10:48.00 | Nandini | your weapon skill has a chance to level up every time you wing |
| 10:48.05 | Nandini | swing* |
| 10:48.18 | Grum | yup, so using dualwield and instants helps a lot :) |
| 10:48.21 | Nandini | the closer your current skill is to your max skill, the lower the chance is that it will level up |
| 10:48.44 | Grum | does the level of the mob fighing affects it? |
| 10:48.46 | Grum | shoudl be right |
| 10:48.47 | Nandini | if your skill is 1/350, you will probably level on every swing or ability all the way up to 200 or so |
| 10:48.58 | Grum | yeah you do |
| 10:49.00 | Nandini | level of the mob doesn't matter |
| 10:49.24 | Iceroth | too bad the servants are nerfed now, can't pull them to castle anymore :-/ |
| 10:49.25 | Grum | can you untrain a weaponskill? :P |
| 10:49.26 | Nandini | i just picked fast a low damage weapon and turned on autoattack and hit some turtles |
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| 10:49.40 | Nandini | and healed myself once every 20 seconds or so |
| 10:49.41 | nevcairiel | Iceroth: you cant? i pulled one to stormwind once :P |
| 10:49.51 | Iceroth | not anymore, they leash now |
| 10:49.57 | Grum | god you must have been bored nevcairiel |
| 10:50.04 | nevcairiel | Grum: oh yeah :P |
| 10:50.13 | nevcairiel | you know what was fun too |
| 10:50.17 | nevcairiel | sit around in stormwind |
| 10:50.26 | nevcairiel | wait for someone to start the onyxia quest |
| 10:50.32 | nevcairiel | pulll one of the dragons out to the ah |
| 10:50.33 | Grum | haha and kite those |
| 10:50.35 | nevcairiel | and let it cleave there |
| 10:51.02 | Punkie` | erm dudes |
| 10:51.06 | Nandini | i think one of those dragons near the CoT entrance doesn't leash still |
| 10:51.08 | Punkie` | go to shadowmoon vally |
| 10:51.14 | Punkie` | and hit the mobs with the totems around it |
| 10:51.20 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 10:51.23 | Punkie` | immune, but levels your skill |
| 10:51.24 | Nandini | someone pulled one to org, it took about 35 minutes |
| 10:51.45 | nevcairiel | ive seen that demon dog in shatt more then once |
| 10:51.45 | Grum | Nandini: lol that is a long hunter kite :P |
| 10:51.45 | Nandini | wow smart idea punkie! |
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| 10:52.05 | ccKep | what's real funny is: pulling one of those dragons to the summoning stone when people are dueling there :D |
| 10:52.14 | dodga | We pulled one of the quest mobs you can only kill with the quest item to Ironforge :D |
| 10:52.27 | ccKep | accidently killed 2 guildmates after they were in <10% hp with a sand breath of one of those dragons =) |
| 10:52.35 | Grum | mm which on dodga ? :P |
| 10:52.43 | dodga | Grum: Frostmourne EU :D |
| 10:52.52 | dodga | Oh you mean which mobß |
| 10:52.58 | Grum | yeah i sucked at typing there |
| 10:53.10 | dodga | I think it was that Ogre. It's almost 2 years ago now :D |
| 10:53.28 | Grum | ogre ... mm |
| 10:53.33 | Grum | i cant remember :( |
| 10:53.34 | Nandini | there are only 121 horde players online on my realm right now |
| 10:53.38 | dodga | We tried pulling him through Blackrock Mountain, but he wouldn't come |
| 10:53.47 | Viper007Bond | Nandini: lol |
| 10:53.49 | Punkie` | My guild almost killed A'dal |
| 10:53.54 | Punkie` | 20% |
| 10:54.00 | Grum | how? O.o |
| 10:54.05 | nevcairiel | oh thats been happening alot here |
| 10:54.10 | Grum | declare war and keeeeeeel ? |
| 10:54.11 | Nandini | you can set yourself to at war with them? |
| 10:54.18 | Punkie` | no |
| 10:54.19 | dodga | But then one in our group remembered a spot in the mountains and we pulled him over there :D |
| 10:54.22 | nevcairiel | nah just kite mobs there :P |
| 10:54.25 | Punkie` | you pull that dog from shadowmoon vally |
| 10:54.29 | Punkie` | that aoe breathes on her |
| 10:54.30 | dodga | Our hunter emptied his complete pouch :> |
| 10:54.45 | Punkie` | she sucks |
| 10:54.53 | Punkie` | she hits for like 4 damage |
| 10:54.53 | Grum | Punkie`: 'that dog' i want names :D |
| 10:55.01 | nevcairiel | adal is a she? |
| 10:55.02 | Punkie` | and has like 5k hp |
| 10:55.06 | Punkie` | i dunno |
| 10:55.09 | Punkie` | alien |
| 10:55.25 | Punkie` | it looks girly compared to that purple dude near :P |
| 10:55.33 | nevcairiel | oh i thought you had some deeper insight there =P |
| 10:55.47 | Viper007Bond | Punkie`: surprised adal didn't do this: http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5282/dontmesswithadalqm0.jpg |
| 10:55.49 | Punkie` | Grum I dont remember the name |
| 10:56.06 | Grum | felhunter mob? |
| 10:56.50 | Punkie` | a dog like magmadar |
| 10:56.55 | Punkie` | Viper007Bond: when was that? |
| 10:57.00 | Grum | mm that must have been hard pulling a fel reaver to Shattrah |
| 10:57.06 | Grum | arent those faster than aspect ? :P |
| 10:57.20 | Viper007Bond | Punkie`: /me shrugs -> http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=18481#comments |
| 10:58.03 | Punkie` | Grum: Uvuros is the mob |
| 10:58.07 | Grum | ah |
| 10:58.26 | Grum | but seriously how to kite a felreaver? it walks faster than you O.o |
| 10:58.33 | Grum | atleast .. the last time i tried it =D |
| 10:58.40 | nevcairiel | get two huntards |
| 10:58.41 | cncfanatics | with more then one hunter ? :p |
| 10:58.42 | Grum | (when i was running away from it at lvl62 orso :D) |
| 10:58.43 | Viper007Bond | Grum: bear form |
| 10:58.50 | nevcairiel | or yeah |
| 10:58.51 | cncfanatics | aaah, armory switched |
| 10:58.58 | cncfanatics | my real tank gear: |
| 10:58.59 | nevcairiel | tank/heal him to shat :P |
| 10:58.59 | Grum | show! ;D |
| 10:59.01 | cncfanatics | !c eu khadgar evolve |
| 10:59.07 | Viper007Bond | fel reavers are pushovers |
| 10:59.08 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Evolve, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (0/49/12). 13147 HP; 4428 Mana; 81 mana regen; 16988 Armour; 596 AP; 88.1 Melee DPS; 5.65% melee crit; 15 spell crit; 245 +spell dmg/heal; 287 defense; 19.06% dodge; 20.91% block; 31 resilience;[[ TBR: 1480 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/27evs8 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2sm7vw ]] |
| 10:59.17 | Viper007Bond | you can 2 man them |
| 10:59.23 | nevcairiel | we did once |
| 10:59.26 | nevcairiel | took like ages |
| 10:59.29 | Viper007Bond | pfft |
| 10:59.31 | nevcairiel | but worked :D |
| 10:59.32 | Grum | i never even killed one |
| 10:59.35 | Grum | O.o |
| 10:59.43 | Viper007Bond | my friend in bear dps'ed his ass down while he had a pally heal him |
| 10:59.44 | nevcairiel | you need him for some quest |
| 10:59.49 | Viper007Bond | SH key |
| 10:59.55 | nevcairiel | right that was it |
| 10:59.56 | Grum | i dont have the SH key .. i admit! ;( |
| 11:00.18 | Viper007Bond | i remember like 10 man'ing him back when i was mid-60's, lol |
| 11:00.20 | nevcairiel | we did him with a dmg-warri in dps gear and me healing |
| 11:00.23 | Grum | humz .. 4 hours have passed .. havent dont anything work-related |
| 11:00.30 | Grum | lets start on that now .. *lunch* |
| 11:00.39 | Viper007Bond | nevcairiel: yeah, so easy once you get geared |
| 11:00.46 | art3mis | i solo'd the felreave outside of thrallmar ;P |
| 11:00.52 | Viper007Bond | lol, cheater |
| 11:01.05 | art3mis | just pull him to the group of mages ;P |
| 11:01.07 | Viper007Bond | best thing imo is kiting guys from dark portal to HH |
| 11:01.22 | Viper007Bond | and them killing the super elite guy there |
| 11:01.29 | nevcairiel | pulling everything from the dark portal event onto the npcs is fun too |
| 11:01.31 | nevcairiel | we wiped them once :P |
| 11:01.40 | Viper007Bond | yeah, all of HH was dead |
| 11:01.51 | Viper007Bond | the lowbies who tried to help too, lol |
| 11:01.55 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 11:02.09 | Viper007Bond | /1 Help! HH is under attack! You'd better help the NPCs out! |
| 11:02.10 | Viper007Bond | pwnt |
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| 11:04.05 | Viper007Bond | even that poor little dog got killed, heh |
| 11:04.06 | CIA-14 | 03nargiddley * r46428 10Baggins/ (Baggins-Options.lua Baggins-enUS.lua Baggins.lua): Baggins: Add Priority to Bags/Sections, A sections effective priority is (Bag Priority + Section Priority). Higher priority gets the item when Hide Duplicates is enabled. |
| 11:04.20 | CIA-14 | 03candykiss * r46429 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/Timestamps.lua: Prat: zhCN update again |
| 11:04.25 | Iceroth | feifei? god i hated that |
| 11:04.30 | cncfanatics | Nargiddley, u around ? |
| 11:04.35 | Mecdemort | ack, very bad |
| 11:04.36 | Nargiddley | yeah |
| 11:04.40 | cncfanatics | bug in waterfall |
| 11:04.44 | Nargiddley | not for too long tho |
| 11:04.49 | cncfanatics | if you have a textbox selected, type something in it |
| 11:04.56 | cncfanatics | then click on a keybind box, and try to set the binding |
| 11:05.06 | cncfanatics | ur stuff will go to the textbox instead |
| 11:05.22 | cncfanatics | seems textbox doesnt lose focus correctly when selecting a keybind |
| 11:05.35 | Nargiddley | weird :/ |
| 11:05.41 | cncfanatics | try it ? :p |
| 11:06.00 | Nargiddley | one sec |
| 11:06.39 | CIA-14 | 03pettigrow * r46430 10BigWigs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): BigWigs: frFR Update |
| 11:07.55 | art3mis | IT'S A TRAP! |
| 11:08.07 | Mecdemort | for the hidden fields, do i just do wfHidden = true,? |
| 11:08.07 | cncfanatics | you are the tra |
| 11:08.12 | cncfanatics | trap* -.- |
| 11:08.27 | art3mis | nu uh! |
| 11:08.50 | Nargiddley | hmm is there a function that unfocuses text boxes ? |
| 11:09.19 | Nargiddley | without calling it on every text box there is :/ |
| 11:09.49 | cncfanatics | EditBox:ClearFocus() |
| 11:09.56 | cncfanatics | but u'll have to call it on every text box tehre is :p |
| 11:10.01 | Nargiddley | yeah, how do I know what editbox it is |
| 11:10.13 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 11:10.21 | cncfanatics | you could use SetFocus(); and a dummy box |
| 11:10.22 | Nargiddley | cause if i have to call it on everything, people can just press esc to get focus to the keybind :P |
| 11:10.24 | cncfanatics | and then clear it out of that one |
| 11:10.39 | cncfanatics | think thats the best way |
| 11:10.43 | cncfanatics | dummy boxes ftw :p |
| 11:10.53 | Nargiddley | ugly hax ftl |
| 11:11.01 | cncfanatics | dont see how u'd do it otherwise :/ |
| 11:11.13 | Nargiddley | edit boxes have quite enough ugly hax thank you very much :P |
| 11:11.21 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 11:11.23 | cncfanatics | one more or less |
| 11:14.03 | Nandini | could you change the keybind box to a textbox, capture its first mouse or keypress, and then pass that to a hidden keybind box? |
| 11:14.34 | Nandini | not really any more elegant |
| 11:15.10 | cncfanatics | it uses more ressources then mine solution though |
| 11:15.13 | CIA-14 | 03mecdemort * r46431 10Baggins_AnywhereBags/Core.lua: |
| 11:15.13 | CIA-14 | Baggins_AnywhereBags: |
| 11:15.13 | CIA-14 | - Removed debug code. |
| 11:15.13 | CIA-14 | - Hide item lists from baggins' command line and waterfall - only show up in baggins' dewdrop. |
| 11:15.19 | cncfanatics | as u have to add a box for every keybind box around |
| 11:15.22 | cncfanatics | instead of only one |
| 11:15.39 | Nargiddley | i'm not adding another edit box |
| 11:15.49 | Nandini | oh i thought you were implying that every time a keybind box was created, it created its own dummy edit box too |
| 11:16.29 | Nargiddley | :EnableKeyboard should grab focus :/ |
| 11:17.32 | cncfanatics | its protected |
| 11:17.36 | cncfanatics | maybe thats why it doesnt work ? |
| 11:17.42 | cncfanatics | Frame:EnableKeyboard(enableFlag) - Set whether this frame will get keyboard input. PROTECTED as of 2.0 |
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| 11:17.59 | Nargiddley | that just means you can't call it in combat |
| 11:18.09 | CIA-14 | 03damjau * r46432 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Herbs-2.2/Babble-Herbs-2.2.lua: |
| 11:18.09 | CIA-14 | Babble-2.2: |
| 11:18.09 | CIA-14 | - Babble-Herbs-2.2 update koKR locals |
| 11:18.10 | cncfanatics | oh yea my bad |
| 11:18.36 | Nandini | many frames can have enablekeyboard set at the same time? |
| 11:18.54 | Nandini | or does setting one disable all others? |
| 11:19.02 | Nargiddley | nope, but and editbox can have focus |
| 11:19.06 | Nargiddley | which is overriding it |
| 11:19.27 | Nandini | maybe clearfocus on every editbox after update? |
| 11:19.47 | Nandini | i sometimes find it annoying that my cursor is still visible in an editbox after i press enter, i'm never sure if it updated or not |
| 11:19.50 | cncfanatics | yea, god knows how many editboxes there are ingame |
| 11:20.03 | Nandini | more specifically, i meant editboxes that you create |
| 11:20.16 | cncfanatics | problem still occurs with other editboxes too :/ |
| 11:20.18 | Nargiddley | i'm going to clear focus on every visible waterfall edit box, screw everyone in game |
| 11:20.27 | cncfanatics | why not create a dummy frame ? |
| 11:20.34 | Nargiddley | other windows interfering isnt my prob |
| 11:20.35 | cncfanatics | its ugly -.- but it works |
| 11:20.54 | Nandini | realistically, why should a waterfall editbox keep its focus after it has been updated? |
| 11:21.04 | cncfanatics | who says it has been updated ? |
| 11:21.07 | Nandini | i guess sometimes it hasn't actually been updated |
| 11:21.22 | cncfanatics | u can type something in an editbox, not press enter, and just switch to the keybind |
| 11:21.30 | Nargiddley | an update could occur after every keypress with a flag as well |
| 11:21.38 | cncfanatics | indeed, which is what I use |
| 11:23.10 | Nandini | do editboxes keep focus if you use your mouse to click a button widget? |
| 11:23.30 | cncfanatics | yes |
| 11:23.35 | cncfanatics | thats the problem |
| 11:23.53 | cncfanatics | the click on the keybind button thingy wont make em lose focus |
| 11:24.21 | cncfanatics | anyone know a good single player RPG ? |
| 11:24.38 | [dRaCo] | SW:KoTor used to rock |
| 11:24.49 | [dRaCo] | kinda old now, though |
| 11:25.11 | cncfanatics | dont care its old really |
| 11:25.19 | cncfanatics | need a good RPG to relax some when i'm bored of raiding & coding :) |
| 11:25.43 | [dRaCo] | go get KotoR then |
| 11:25.52 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, download download |
| 11:26.01 | cncfanatics | there, found it |
| 11:27.26 | Grum | what kind of game is that? |
| 11:27.42 | [dRaCo] | star wars rpg |
| 11:27.44 | Grum | iiieeew |
| 11:28.03 | [dRaCo] | Knights of the old Republic |
| 11:28.38 | Iceroth | kotor used to leak tons of memory :s |
| 11:29.13 | Iceroth | one of the cities turned almost unplayable in just a few minutes |
| 11:29.37 | cncfanatics | how ehm , "cool" |
| 11:29.39 | CIA-14 | 03nargiddley * r46433 10Waterfall-1.0/Waterfall-1.0/Waterfall-1.0.lua: Waterfall-1.0: Clear focus of visible textboxes when clicking a keybind |
| 11:29.45 | [dRaCo] | there are some patches out there |
| 11:29.54 | cncfanatics | thank you nargiddley |
| 11:31.49 | cncfanatics | wonder if it works on linux ? |
| 11:32.01 | cncfanatics | or will I have to boot my windows for it ? (only gets booted for games lately) |
| 11:32.15 | [dRaCo] | never tried, but it's openGL |
| 11:32.23 | cncfanatics | should be then |
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| 11:38.15 | Azurewrath | cncfanatics: The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion .. plus the Shivering Isles Exp Pack.. but be warned, you'll be addicted for like 100+ hours with just one character.. and you need a fast system |
| 11:39.17 | cncfanatics | I never liked elder's scrolls |
| 11:39.26 | cncfanatics | but well, I only got III so :p |
| 11:40.18 | cncfanatics | hmmm weird |
| 11:40.22 | cncfanatics | my GUI config lags a lot |
| 11:40.27 | cncfanatics | but my slashcommands are totaly lagfree |
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| 11:41.16 | Grum | cncfanatics: gnomes! |
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| 11:41.25 | Mecdemort | http://ace.pastey.net/72167 I'm trying to simplify looping through a deeply nested table. I've got a function here with its usage at the bottom, but it takes twice as long to process as the for loops, any ideas to optimize? |
| 11:42.01 | cncfanatics | need to add conditionals so it doesnt touch what wasnt changes |
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| 11:43.34 | Grum | Mecdemort: i am wondering why you put in a 'depth' :) |
| 11:44.11 | Mecdemort | nested for loops translates to the recursive function |
| 11:44.34 | DariuZ | hey, just wondering if anyone else got problems with skinner, such as messing up the default ui:s barswitches |
| 11:45.42 | Grum | Mecdemort: what is the goal in the end? :) |
| 11:47.12 | Mecdemort | At the bottom, the function call and the 3 for loops are identical. The goal is to use the function for deeply nested loops because it looks alot cleaner than a million tabbed lines, but it current takes twice as long to loop through. |
| 11:47.53 | Nargiddley | Mecdemort, twice as long with how much work done? |
| 11:48.05 | Grum | so you basicly want a,b,c,d,e,f to be filled at all times? |
| 11:48.46 | Mecdemort | Nargiddley: good question, the overhead is twice as long, whatever is in the ---- should be equal |
| 11:49.53 | Nargiddley | if its a tiny amount of work, then i could easily see the 2 comparisons, if, and an extra couple function calls double the overhead |
| 11:50.06 | Grum | did you really intend to make it so that you *need* to know the depth of the table structure? |
| 11:50.48 | Mecdemort | Grum: ya, has to be done for when you only want 3 levels in a 5 level table or something as such |
| 11:50.50 | Grum | and every brance of the structure has to be equally deep |
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| 11:51.14 | Mecdemort | Nargiddley: I'm doing a profile right now, if its just the overhead that doubles then it really doesnt matter |
| 11:51.55 | Grum | well from what i can see you are doing loads of function calls and some comparisons |
| 11:51.58 | Grum | it could cause it :) |
| 11:52.11 | Grum | but it might be next to nothing when you actually put some code on the ---- :) |
| 11:52.17 | Mecdemort | ya exactly |
| 11:52.29 | Mecdemort | i was testing it with nothing in there, gotta put in some perspective |
| 11:53.24 | Nargiddley | not sure if it would help, but try changing the calls to return func() and return tableLoop(... |
| 11:53.49 | Nargiddley | i think reading pil that tail recursion only happens when you return the result of the func |
| 11:55.05 | Mecdemort | ok ill give that a shot too |
| 11:57.05 | Nandini | one of the hardest things for me, coming from a purely relational db background, is switching my mindset over to structured, value-typed data |
| 11:57.37 | Nandini | the data are easy to visualize, i'm just not used to dealing with them this way :) |
| 11:57.42 | Grum | definately not a good place to start on lua then ;D |
| 11:58.13 | cncfanatics | screw databases |
| 11:58.16 | cncfanatics | tables ftw :p |
| 11:58.24 | Nargiddley | nothing wrong with lua, its just different |
| 11:58.48 | Grum | databases>tables |
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| 11:58.50 | Nandini | i actually prefer structured data because it's usually more intuitive as long as it's well-defined |
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| 11:59.20 | Mecdemort | wow, the entire code, not just the overhead, is doubling |
| 11:59.23 | Nandini | but its flexibility is what is becoming my weak point |
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| 11:59.53 | Mecdemort | no wait, i cant count |
| 12:00.18 | Nandini | just curious, what are you using to profile your code? |
| 12:00.21 | Nargiddley | any benefit from tail calls ? |
| 12:00.34 | Nandini | since i am so new to developing in lua |
| 12:00.38 | Fisker- | bah |
| 12:00.50 | Fisker- | you gotta be dismounted to assemble lesser planar essences |
| 12:00.51 | Mecdemort | Nandini: omnibus with some GetTimes and a 20000 loop ;p |
| 12:01.04 | Mecdemort | Nargiddley: doing that right after i recheck the profiling |
| 12:01.04 | Nargiddley | i generally just gettime() run*1000 gettime() compare |
| 12:01.07 | Nargiddley | heh |
| 12:01.16 | Mecdemort | ya |
| 12:01.23 | cncfanatics | ouch, configuring 120 buttons at once with the GUI totaly lags the shit out of wow |
| 12:01.31 | Mecdemort | omnibus is just amazing, i should have starting using it months ago |
| 12:01.34 | cncfanatics | but there's no damn way around it :( |
| 12:01.34 | Nargiddley | how many controls is that cnc ? |
| 12:01.43 | Grum | what is omnibus? wasn't that just a notepad? |
| 12:01.44 | cncfanatics | waterfall controls ? not more then one button |
| 12:01.48 | cncfanatics | but it has to loop 120 times |
| 12:01.48 | Nargiddley | ah |
| 12:01.55 | Nargiddley | ouch, why ? |
| 12:02.01 | cncfanatics | once for each button ? : |
| 12:02.02 | Mecdemort | Grum: it lets you run scripts too, i've written entire addons in omnibus, then just copied them over to lua files |
| 12:02.08 | cncfanatics | on saving stuff though, not for the waterfall itself |
| 12:02.13 | Nargiddley | ahh |
| 12:02.26 | cncfanatics | the GUI sets all settings when u save, so it loops through all buttons and sets everything for each button |
| 12:02.32 | cncfanatics | which results in horrible lag when u got lots of buttons |
| 12:02.34 | Nargiddley | yep my addons generally start as ingame written snippets |
| 12:03.26 | cncfanatics | meh, slashcommands dont lag at all, but thats only cuz they only set one setting |
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| 12:03.37 | Nargiddley | why set everything in the gui then ? |
| 12:03.49 | cncfanatics | my gui works like this: |
| 12:03.55 | cncfanatics | you first select a range of buttons to configure |
| 12:04.05 | cncfanatics | then a configuration appears for that range of buttons with all possible settings |
| 12:04.11 | cncfanatics | when clicking save, they're set |
| 12:04.19 | Mecdemort | hmm a 2000000 loop might have been a bit much |
| 12:04.32 | cncfanatics | any other way I could not set everything doing it like this ? |
| 12:05.13 | Grum | Mecdemort: oooh that is nice |
| 12:05.17 | Nargiddley | well if you're changing all 120 then yeah no way around it :/ |
| 12:05.25 | Grum | thanks for that tip |
| 12:05.31 | Mecdemort | oh i dont think I can use return, it would skip any values of v after it |
| 12:05.31 | cncfanatics | its up to the user to select a button range |
| 12:05.35 | Grum | i have had some problems with that |
| 12:05.35 | cncfanatics | but it lags on 10 buttons too :/ |
| 12:05.43 | cncfanatics | less ofc, but still |
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| 12:06.47 | Nargiddley | Mecdemort, doh i should have seen that |
| 12:07.14 | cncfanatics | Nargiddley, mind having a look at my waterfall code and tell me if I can optimise it ? |
| 12:07.32 | Mecdemort | well the overhead on a 2.6s runtime is .3 so i dont think thats too bad |
| 12:07.34 | cncfanatics | I hate slow code :( |
| 12:07.43 | Nargiddley | cncfanatics, midnight here i'm heading to bed. mail/botmail/pm on forums and i'll look at it tomorrow |
| 12:07.55 | Mecdemort | nighters |
| 12:07.59 | Nargiddley | night |
| 12:08.18 | cncfanatics | I'll just /msg u tomorrow then |
| 12:08.19 | cncfanatics | g'night |
| 12:08.31 | CIA-14 | 03nirek * r46434 10ElfReloaded/ (ElfReloaded.lua ElfReloaded.toc): ElfReloaded: Update toc for 2.1, finally fixed need/greed count to work (requires detailed loot to be on) |
| 12:10.00 | cncfanatics | guess my GUI will remain laggy then |
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| 12:10.36 | Punkie` | Man, why would anyone download an addon that has Elf in the name |
| 12:11.04 | Mecdemort | like: NakedFemaleNightElfsDancingEverywhereOnYourScreen |
| 12:11.45 | Punkie` | they have long ears though |
| 12:11.49 | Punkie` | and purple skin |
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| 12:13.37 | Mecdemort | why couldnt pairs() just return nil on a non table instead of an error |
| 12:14.49 | cncfanatics | because ur suposed to check if its a table before looping :p |
| 12:15.00 | cncfanatics | and it actualy returns nil for nontables |
| 12:15.07 | cncfanatics | its ur for loop that errors cuz it has to loop through nil |
| 12:15.09 | ramoz | if you read paris as in paris hilton instead of pairs it becomes awesome |
| 12:15.21 | abbat_w | =))))) |
| 12:15.24 | abbat_w | hahha |
| 12:15.36 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 12:15.37 | cncfanatics | it does :) |
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| 12:15.49 | Mecdemort | im could i do pairs(table) or ... to fix that |
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| 12:17.19 | cncfanatics | if you feel like wasting mem but taking it the easy way |
| 12:17.35 | cncfanatics | do pairs(whatevervariablethatmightormightnotbeatable or {}) |
| 12:17.41 | Mecdemort | ya i guess |
| 12:17.47 | cncfanatics | leaks memory though |
| 12:18.01 | cncfanatics | so i'd recommend just checking the vars type before looping |
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| 12:23.21 | Kain | is there a command line interface for FuBar i was giving someone a port and a reload UI thing popped up and i hit reload ui on accident isntead of ignore and now FuBar is gone |
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| 12:24.44 | Kain | nvm i fixed i thought it was still checked on addons but it was a gray checkmark |
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| 12:25.07 | Mecdemort | might have accidently disabled a dependancy |
| 12:25.20 | HarveyDent | Ok good morning all |
| 12:25.31 | HarveyDent | Mecdemort is awake, awesome. |
| 12:25.46 | Mecdemort | im always awake, just not always on irc |
| 12:25.48 | Saladin | Wowaceupdater error with Vista...argh |
| 12:26.00 | HarveyDent | So basically here's my request here. asking in here since I think you guys might know |
| 12:26.21 | HarveyDent | Where would I find the revision number text displayed on Omen in-game, in it's Lua |
| 12:26.27 | HarveyDent | I want those gone. |
| 12:26.46 | HarveyDent | They are pointless, ugly, and add nothing to the overall package. Should honestly have an option to turn them off. |
| 12:27.06 | art3mis | want the long or the short answer harvey? |
| 12:27.10 | Mecdemort | hmm since its still early betaish i dont think there is, but ill give it a lookover |
| 12:27.11 | HarveyDent | I've searched the Lua files for Omen and have found nothing |
| 12:27.31 | art3mis | the short answer is, you can't so suck it up and quit being a whiny punk |
| 12:27.36 | HarveyDent | Want whatever answer it is that isn't the same as "It will be gone when it's final" |
| 12:27.46 | art3mis | the long answer is kind of like the short answer only with a lot more descriptive words ;P |
| 12:27.54 | Mecdemort | lol |
| 12:28.14 | Kain | art3mis: lol |
| 12:28.49 | Kain | its like size 6 font anyhow lol |
| 12:28.54 | art3mis | the revisions are there for a good reason actually, it allows you and others to know why it's not behaving correctly if its not updated frequently |
| 12:29.04 | HarveyDent | right but I should be able to turn those off |
| 12:29.08 | art3mis | not to mention addons like ktmtothreat |
| 12:29.10 | HarveyDent | really, I don't think you've got a point. |
| 12:29.29 | HarveyDent | just my opinion but the average user has no need for those |
| 12:29.38 | Mecdemort | HarveyDent: /script Omen.Anchor.revision:Hide() |
| 12:29.41 | HarveyDent | and it doesnt look good and its not serving anyone a purpose |
| 12:29.48 | art3mis | nope and the average user also knows that its there for a reason |
| 12:29.48 | HarveyDent | thank you |
| 12:29.49 | HarveyDent | I'll post that online |
| 12:29.57 | HarveyDent | no, they don't actually. |
| 12:30.04 | HarveyDent | get to know your audience. thats the problem it seems. |
| 12:30.06 | Mecdemort | or you can just comment out line 256 in omen.lua |
| 12:30.12 | Kain | lol |
| 12:30.17 | art3mis | hah |
| 12:30.18 | Saladin | My Wowaceupdater can't find my addon folder in Vista...anybright ideas? |
| 12:30.31 | art3mis | saladin: move it outside yer program fiels directory |
| 12:30.32 | HarveyDent | My entire guild doesn't know what it's for. They know WHAT it's fo |
| 12:30.37 | HarveyDent | but they don't know why its there |
| 12:30.42 | Mecdemort | Saladin: can you browse to the folder? |
| 12:30.53 | HarveyDent | and you obviously have had many requests about this |
| 12:30.58 | HarveyDent | so I'll make sure to post this information |
| 12:31.01 | Nandini | how will your guild ensure they are all using the same revision of omen now? |
| 12:31.02 | art3mis | vista is special in that the program fiels directory and program data directory are "protected" |
| 12:31.06 | HarveyDent | Thank you Mecdemort |
| 12:31.11 | Mecdemort | Nandini: that wont hide the update message |
| 12:31.13 | Saladin | art3mis: It's in "Documents" wow is installed in C |
| 12:31.19 | HarveyDent | because omen has a built in version checker |
| 12:31.26 | art3mis | by moving your wow folder to the root of C: or whatever drive you want, it removes it from gimpy windows protection land |
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| 12:31.37 | Mecdemort | HarveyDent: go with the comment out option, the /script one you'd have to do every time you loaded |
| 12:32.02 | Saladin | art3mis: I tried istalling it on D:, but it only works when it's in C: |
| 12:32.08 | art3mis | Mecdemort: hehe he's gonna have to do it every time he updates anyways ;P |
| 12:32.08 | Nandini | true, i always just find it annoying when a raid gets together and the version check reveals that 6 people need to update |
| 12:32.27 | art3mis | Saladin: dont install it on a drive... ocne it's installed just move it ;P |
| 12:32.29 | art3mis | once |
| 12:32.50 | HarveyDent | Art , it doesnt seem like omen updates all that often anyhow.. |
| 12:32.50 | art3mis | should behave properly after that |
| 12:32.52 | HarveyDent | so... |
| 12:32.59 | art3mis | oh it does actually |
| 12:33.06 | HarveyDent | oh ok. its not on WAU |
| 12:33.10 | art3mis | he's just side tracked with money making projects atm |
| 12:33.30 | art3mis | so thers a brief constant update respite |
| 12:33.31 | Saladin | okay, so: I should move my entire wow directory to another folder. for example just "Documents"? |
| 12:33.45 | Mecdemort | Saladin: can you not just browse to the wow folder? |
| 12:33.50 | art3mis | Saladin: remember how it looked on xp? |
| 12:33.54 | Saladin | yeah I do |
| 12:34.07 | art3mis | just take the whole world of warcraft directory and drop it on the c:drive |
| 12:34.14 | art3mis | then update yer shortcut |
| 12:34.22 | Saladin | hm, ok |
| 12:34.38 | Saladin | Mecdemort: how do you want me to browse to the wow folder? |
| 12:34.41 | art3mis | oh and make sure you right click and properties to make sure you're still the owner of it |
| 12:35.11 | Mecdemort | Saladin: inside WAU properties theres that option |
| 12:35.29 | Saladin | okaay...I check preferences and get this: "UNhandled exception has occured in your applicaion"...ur |
| 12:40.26 | Nandini | hmm i think i would like to create a new bar module for pitbull |
| 12:41.41 | Saladin | I fixed it now, works |
| 12:41.46 | Nandini | just a simple, class-colored/hostility colored/custom colored statusbar that's always 100% |
| 12:43.19 | harldephin | someone added even MORE shadows to the fonts ? wtf.. |
| 12:43.20 | Nandini | more shadows to which fonts? |
| 12:43.33 | harldephin | those provided by ClearFont2 |
| 12:43.59 | harldephin | or whatever add-on adds them |
| 12:44.06 | Nandini | some elements have shadows by default that didn't before? |
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| 12:44.28 | harldephin | no, but more shadows |
| 12:44.54 | Nandini | i'm not sure what you mean, a fontstring can only have one shadow |
| 12:45.05 | Nandini | maybe it looks bigger if it is offset further away |
| 12:45.14 | harldephin | i'll have to edit the files then and move the shadow "under" the original font again. |
| 12:45.15 | Saladin | thanks for the help Mecdemort and art3mis, but Iit was neither of your fixes that worked :p |
| 12:45.30 | harldephin | the way it is now i can barely read prat's timestamps |
| 12:45.34 | Mecdemort | ya i have my own issues with WAU |
| 12:45.49 | Nandini | oh, someone mentioned some changes in prat |
| 12:46.04 | Nandini | you can change font settings for chat boxes directly in prat, you may want to check your settings there |
| 12:46.06 | art3mis | Saladin: so what was it? |
| 12:46.16 | harldephin | Nandini: I.. already did? |
| 12:46.17 | Nandini | prat's settings override clearfont2's default changes to the chatbox |
| 12:46.22 | Saladin | first of all, the config file was missing for some reason |
| 12:46.39 | Saladin | And I moved the Updater to D: |
| 12:47.11 | HarveyDent | Prat will initially mess with your font settings |
| 12:47.20 | HarveyDent | I found that turning off "Font" then /rl |
| 12:47.25 | HarveyDent | then turning on "Font" again |
| 12:47.29 | HarveyDent | fixed everything |
| 12:47.41 | HarveyDent | otherwise, your entire UI will use whatever Prat has set for font |
| 12:47.43 | harldephin | i have that disabled by default |
| 12:47.46 | HarveyDent | including tooltips, etc. etc. |
| 12:48.03 | harldephin | there is no font-manipulating module left in prat for me |
| 12:48.08 | HarveyDent | try it in reverse then, I don't know. But I brought this relatively same issue to the attention of people here a day or two ago |
| 12:50.01 | art3mis | dammit harvey |
| 12:50.06 | art3mis | you need a new nick |
| 12:50.16 | art3mis | now ive got the harvey danger song in my head ;P |
| 12:50.20 | HarveyDent | heh |
| 12:50.20 | harldephin | well, first of all, i really hate italic font styles, so the first thing i do every time CF is updated, is I overwrite the italic stuff with the non-italic |
| 12:50.54 | HarveyDent | ok an issue with Pitbull |
| 12:51.03 | art3mis | ive been rather fond of that medieval font in cl |
| 12:51.07 | harldephin | and after that i usually move the shadow a few pixels, so that its overlayed by the "real" font |
| 12:51.12 | HarveyDent | if you die in an instance and release spirit, your health bar remains the color of being "dead" |
| 12:51.19 | art3mis | its a pain to read in small spots but i love it otherwise |
| 12:51.24 | cncfanatics | nothing wrong with the regular fonts for me |
| 12:51.25 | HarveyDent | even though you've released and resurrected. This only occurs in places like Mechanar |
| 12:51.31 | harldephin | but i just saw that it's somehow more shadow than before, so that the shadow is bigger than the actual font and that somehow sucks |
| 12:51.34 | HarveyDent | where you auto res upon release |
| 12:52.11 | art3mis | HarveyDent: thts what you get for using pitbull ;P |
| 12:52.11 | HarveyDent | hehe |
| 12:52.11 | HarveyDent | I like it :) |
| 12:52.12 | HarveyDent | ckknight: pitbull issue |
| 12:52.34 | art3mis | <ckknight> HarveyDent: it's free I don't care |
| 12:52.57 | art3mis | ~emulate ckknight |
| 12:53.01 | purl | <@ckknight> nah, then there's no point, I do this mostly for the power trip |
| 12:53.09 | Mecdemort | lol |
| 12:53.16 | HarveyDent | lol |
| 12:53.18 | HarveyDent | fitting |
| 12:53.34 | HarveyDent | but seriously though |
| 12:53.36 | HarveyDent | thats an issue |
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| 12:53.43 | HarveyDent | I cant tell what my health is now |
| 12:53.45 | art3mis | just dont die |
| 12:53.58 | HarveyDent | ... interesting proposition, artemis. |
| 12:54.01 | HarveyDent | I'll try that out. |
| 12:54.03 | art3mis | i know! |
| 12:54.07 | Mecdemort | its also an issues with agUF |
| 12:54.14 | art3mis | i stole that from the alliance side when i was playing earlier |
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| 12:54.33 | art3mis | i was bitching that no matter where i died in ashenvale it was 1k yards from my corpse |
| 12:54.39 | Nandini | something just occurred to me after all the cosmetic/renaming changes in prat |
| 12:54.51 | art3mis | so someone told me to stop dying and that cleared it right up |
| 12:55.02 | HarveyDent | Nandini - that stuff messed up a lot of things for me |
| 12:55.08 | HarveyDent | modules were "On" that were off before... |
| 12:55.24 | HarveyDent | stuff that was On before was not flagged as on and would error out when toggling them on/f |
| 12:55.30 | HarveyDent | etc. |
| 12:55.32 | HarveyDent | the font thing |
| 12:55.34 | Nandini | is there anything wrong with using generic strings for options and specifying actual english text in the -enUS locale file instead of just = true? |
| 12:55.36 | HarveyDent | it corrects itself but.. |
| 12:56.35 | Nandini | i suppose that might make it inconvenient for people to provide actual translations of the current english text in other locales |
| 12:56.56 | Mecdemort | ya, it wont make a difference, but i dont think will look as clean |
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| 12:57.24 | Mecdemort | tho i auto generate my locale files so i dont have a choice ;p |
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| 13:03.52 | Uhuru | hi |
| 13:03.56 | cncfanatics | hello |
| 13:05.23 | Uhuru | someone know if roar (karazhan opera) is immunate to the hibernate druid ability ? |
| 13:05.28 | cncfanatics | he is |
| 13:05.34 | cncfanatics | he is immune like all other bosses, except for fear |
| 13:05.39 | cncfanatics | he can be spamfeared by a warlock |
| 13:05.50 | Uhuru | shit ... |
| 13:06.04 | Chompers | hunter fear works on gin |
| 13:06.06 | Chompers | *him |
| 13:06.13 | cncfanatics | hmmm it does ? |
| 13:06.18 | Chompers | sure does |
| 13:06.22 | Mecdemort | we had better luck just OTing him |
| 13:06.22 | ramoz | is he a beast? |
| 13:06.26 | cncfanatics | he is |
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| 13:06.39 | cncfanatics | could try druid sleep I supose, but i'd be surprised if he's not immune |
| 13:06.52 | Uhuru | know one has tried ? ;) |
| 13:06.55 | Uhuru | no |
| 13:07.13 | cncfanatics | fear > sleep so hard :p |
| 13:07.15 | cncfanatics | dsnt break on dmg |
| 13:07.33 | Uhuru | two warlocks of our guild have stop played |
| 13:07.41 | cncfanatics | ouch |
| 13:07.42 | cncfanatics | sucks |
| 13:07.45 | Uhuru | and the third is in holidays |
| 13:07.58 | *** join/#wowace Matrix110 (i=bla@pD957ED44.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:08.01 | art3mis | you could go to the Used Warlock barrel and get another 4 for the price of one though ;P |
| 13:08.15 | art3mis | it's near Adal in shat ;P |
| 13:08.40 | art3mis | watch out though, some have defects like one leg shorter than the other or 3rd arms |
| 13:08.50 | art3mis | some might have a "gamey" smell as well |
| 13:09.00 | Uhuru | warlock barrel have 2 sec duration ^^ |
| 13:09.10 | art3mis | thats what she said |
| 13:09.12 | art3mis | woaaaaahhhhh |
| 13:09.23 | art3mis | or wooOOOOOoooo |
| 13:09.29 | art3mis | depending on which episode |
| 13:11.10 | Chompers | laaame |
| 13:11.12 | Chompers | :P |
| 13:16.06 | *** join/#wowace Kilroo (n=Kilroo@cpe-071-076-173-175.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 13:16.43 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather liliben |
| 13:16.46 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Liliben, Level 70 Tauren Druid (3/0/58). 8688 HP; 9485 Mana; 340 mana regen; 90 mp5; 4.42% melee crit; 46 +spell dmg; 1570 +heal; 4.93% dodge; 66 resilience; 37 shadow resist; 10 nature resist (+10); +33 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 195 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2zdfmx ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3xt32y ]] |
| 13:16.57 | Pkekyo | 3/0/58 = resto? |
| 13:17.04 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 13:17.23 | [dRaCo] | balance/feraL/resto |
| 13:17.33 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather refeer |
| 13:17.37 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Refeer, Level 70 Orc Shaman (40/0/21). 7279 HP; 8453 Mana; 149 mana regen; 50 mp5; 6914 Armour; 4.93% melee crit; 150 spell crit; 36 spell hit; 539 +spell dmg; 651 +heal; 4.11% dodge; 5% block; 28 resilience;[[ TBR: 580 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/22us8w ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3ccdge ]] |
| 13:17.40 | yacoob | treekin? :) |
| 13:17.51 | Mecdemort | interesting |
| 13:17.54 | Pkekyo | that wouldbe...err...elemental/resto? |
| 13:17.56 | Mecdemort | !c us dalaran mecdemort |
| 13:17.59 | ThraeBot | Mecdemort: Mecdemort, Level 70 Human Mage (41/18/2). 7783 HP; 10676 Mana; 212 mana regen; 32 mp5; 362 spell crit; 75 spell hit; 865 +spell dmg/heal; 145 frost dmg (1010); 145 arcane dmg (1010); 256 fire dmg (1121); 5.26% dodge; 26 resilience; +4 all resists;[[ TBR: 730 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2bscb6 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2mfgtz ]] |
| 13:18.03 | cncfanatics | !c eu khadgar evolve |
| 13:18.06 | cncfanatics | guess what this is :p |
| 13:18.07 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Evolve, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (0/49/12). 13147 HP; 4428 Mana; 81 mana regen; 16988 Armour; 596 AP; 88.1 Melee DPS; 5.65% melee crit; 15 spell crit; 245 +spell dmg/heal; 287 defense; 19.06% dodge; 20.91% block; 31 resilience;[[ TBR: 1480 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/27evs8 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2sm7vw ]] |
| 13:18.51 | cryogen | whats tbr? |
| 13:19.20 | [dRaCo] | ~tbr |
| 13:19.21 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, tbr is ThraeBot Ratings, an invention of Thrae for his ThraeBot. It works on a weighted logarithmic algorithm that, when used to compare two characters, tries to take which classes are fighting each other. |
| 13:19.29 | cryogen | i see |
| 13:19.46 | Mecdemort | oo i'd kick evolve's ass |
| 13:19.51 | cryogen | that definition makes no sense |
| 13:19.58 | cryogen | but im tbr 790 :) |
| 13:20.11 | cncfanatics | i'm 1480 |
| 13:20.15 | cncfanatics | totaly beat u lol ? |
| 13:20.21 | pb_ee1 | !c eu bloodhoof lona |
| 13:20.24 | ThraeBot | pb_ee1: Lona, Level 70 Human Priest (23/38/0). 6391 HP; 9585 Mana; 423 mana regen; 156 mp5; 121 +spell dmg; 1763 +heal; 4.98% dodge;[[ TBR: 717 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ytuk28 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2p7a77 ]] |
| 13:20.41 | pb_ee1 | rofl |
| 13:20.49 | pb_ee1 | comparing my score to cncfanatics's one :p |
| 13:20.54 | Punkie` | !c eu kazzak punkie |
| 13:20.57 | ThraeBot | Punkie`: Punkie, Level 70 Gnome Rogue (41/20/0). 8694 HP; +10 Energy; 1790 AP; 390.3 Melee DPS; 27.56% melee crit; 276 melee hit; 27.81% dodge; 12 resilience; 10 arcane resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1102 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yqvthz ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/33depx ]] |
| 13:21.02 | kenlyric | !c us kargath kenlyric |
| 13:21.05 | ThraeBot | kenlyric: Kenlyric, Level 70 Human Priest (23/38/0). 6751 HP; 9240 Mana; 469 mana regen; 187 mp5; 166 +spell dmg; 1435 +heal; 4.98% dodge;[[ TBR: 772 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ytyqsh ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2obhxg ]] |
| 13:21.07 | cncfanatics | mine still highest |
| 13:21.09 | cryogen | whats it do just add up numbers? lol |
| 13:21.10 | cncfanatics | by a large margin |
| 13:21.11 | *** join/#wowace Jelmie (n=jelmer89@77.61.96.114) |
| 13:21.13 | pb_ee1 | how is this calculated? :( |
| 13:21.16 | Jelmie | heyho |
| 13:21.25 | cncfanatics | prolly takes defensive stats ? i'm prot and its so damn high |
| 13:21.27 | yacoob | stop bragging about how long your toon is :) |
| 13:21.41 | cncfanatics | yacoob, still the same eh ? :) |
| 13:21.42 | pb_ee1 | cncfanatics: well i'm a priest and i don't think my gear is so bad |
| 13:21.45 | cryogen | probably only relavant when comparing two equal chars/specs |
| 13:21.46 | HarveyDent | what text editor can I use on a Mac to show line numbers? |
| 13:21.51 | Jelmie | guys, am I missing something or how the 'ell can I download addons from ace -.-:P |
| 13:21.51 | kenlyric | unfairly discriminates against healers, I see! |
| 13:21.52 | HarveyDent | does textedit have that option? |
| 13:22.21 | Mecdemort | i wonder why mine is so low |
| 13:22.32 | [dRaCo] | Jelmie: files.wowace.com |
| 13:22.41 | Jelmie | thanks |
| 13:22.59 | Mecdemort | hmm i think its because of my current spec |
| 13:23.09 | Jelmie | finaly can get my ui back 'n running ^^ |
| 13:23.18 | [Ammo] | or check the topic |
| 13:23.19 | [Ammo] | and get WAU |
| 13:23.40 | Punkie` | Mecdemort: It obviously weighs in defenses |
| 13:23.48 | Punkie` | You're a mage so you suck :P |
| 13:23.56 | Mecdemort | uh huh |
| 13:24.07 | Punkie` | Now go make me a sandwich. |
| 13:24.13 | yacoob | cncfanatics, :D |
| 13:24.17 | [Ammo] | !c eu kazzak ammo |
| 13:24.20 | [Ammo] | my rating will suck |
| 13:24.20 | ThraeBot | [Ammo]: Ammo, Level 70 Gnome Warlock (37/3/21). 10890 HP; 9595 Mana; 107 mana regen; 97 spell crit; 76 spell hit; 969 +spell dmg; 51 shadow dmg (1020); 4.47% dodge; 10 arcane resist (+10);[[ TBR: 752 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yqwhwq ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2m984p ]] |
| 13:24.22 | yacoob | Punkie`, 'sudo make me a sandwich' :D |
| 13:24.37 | Punkie` | yacoob: you only say that when he says no |
| 13:24.53 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 13:24.54 | Mecdemort | i think the problem with my rating is that my build sucks and my damage is highly based on it |
| 13:24.55 | Jelmie | hmm.. what you guys recon best as a dmg meter..? |
| 13:24.57 | Punkie` | [Ammo]: It sucks because YOU suck :p |
| 13:25.04 | cncfanatics | I used to redirect make me a sandwich call to /dev/null back when my main was a mage |
| 13:25.05 | [dRaCo] | no such target: 'me a sandwich' :þ |
| 13:25.05 | Mecdemort | jelmie: sw-stats |
| 13:25.12 | Jelmie | I love you guys.. |
| 13:25.14 | Punkie` | Jelmie: depends what you want :) |
| 13:25.22 | [Ammo] | Jelmie: try Violation from wowace :) |
| 13:25.26 | [dRaCo] | violation, recount |
| 13:25.31 | cncfanatics | violation, recount, (wws) |
| 13:25.43 | cncfanatics | wws being the most detailed & all, but u cant consult it while ur playing |
| 13:25.49 | cncfanatics | and got to remember to keep ur log |
| 13:25.57 | [Ammo] | loggerhead handles that :) |
| 13:26.02 | [Ammo] | at least for instancing |
| 13:26.11 | Jelmie | I just want something wich doesnt use to much mem, and I can just check it after combat to see if I'm up to quotum |
| 13:26.18 | yacoob | there's this uneasy feeling when you hear 'hey, for that I'd use Violation...' :D |
| 13:26.50 | Jelmie | can I violate your anus.. |
| 13:26.58 | [Ammo] | Jelmie: violation is about the lowest mem for that, unless you want to check after closing wow |
| 13:26.59 | Mecdemort | ... |
| 13:27.02 | [Ammo] | then use wowwebstats |
| 13:27.13 | *** part/#wowace Pkekyo (i=bsm89mod@084202183120.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 13:27.17 | cryogen | the rating thing seems to be very biased to melee, and especially tanks :) |
| 13:27.22 | *** join/#wowace Pkekyo (i=bsm89mod@084202183120.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 13:27.23 | cncfanatics | indeed |
| 13:27.27 | cncfanatics | i'm damn high |
| 13:27.33 | cryogen | since ammo's lock pisses all over my priest and i have higher rating |
| 13:27.37 | Punkie` | [Ammo]: Violation needs more JokerLib *cracks whip* |
| 13:27.40 | cryogen | presumably because of the armour from inner fire |
| 13:27.41 | Mecdemort | lets see how my shity tank stands up |
| 13:27.52 | Mecdemort | !c us dalaran mequila |
| 13:27.54 | ThraeBot | Mecdemort: Mequila, Level 70 Draenei Warrior (12/6/43). 13284 HP; 12871 Armour; 746 AP; 119.3 Melee DPS; 13.05% melee crit; 13 melee hit; 12 +spell dmg/heal; 316 defense; 17.17% dodge; 27.09% block; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1212 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2xw3t4 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3adm3j ]] |
| 13:28.00 | Mecdemort | wow wtf |
| 13:28.01 | cryogen | 1212 :) |
| 13:28.10 | [Ammo] | !c eu kazzak flappenstein |
| 13:28.13 | ThraeBot | [Ammo]: Flappenstein, Level 70 Gnome Warrior (10/5/46). 14994 HP; 16202 Armour; 682 AP; 134.9 Melee DPS; 12.32% melee crit; 35 melee hit; 392 defense; 23.62% dodge; 28.69% block; 10 arcane resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1289 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/25eq7g ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3xogcf ]] |
| 13:28.14 | Mecdemort | shitty warrior in blues = 1212, t6 mage = 750 |
| 13:28.19 | HarveyDent | !c US Arygos Velth |
| 13:28.22 | Punkie` | That rating system relies way too much on defense :P |
| 13:28.23 | ThraeBot | HarveyDent: Velth, Level 70 Night Elf Rogue (20/41/0). 8044 HP; 1615 AP; 380.8 Melee DPS; 28.13% melee crit; 270 melee hit; 24.16% dodge; 12 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1088 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2afprn ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/35pfwm ]] |
| 13:28.25 | [Ammo] | yup |
| 13:28.30 | [Ammo] | the rating is skewed |
| 13:28.33 | Diao | !c US blackrock diaox |
| 13:28.34 | [dRaCo] | !c eu die+nachtwache rshak |
| 13:28.36 | ThraeBot | Diao: Diaox, Level 70 Orc Warrior (8/5/48). 11714 HP; 11866 Armour; 880 AP; 121.9 Melee DPS; 11.42% melee crit; 271 defense; 14.95% dodge; 15.36% block; 30 resilience;[[ TBR: 1090 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yu73l8 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pgqq7 ]] |
| 13:28.39 | ThraeBot | [dRaCo]: Rshak, Level 70 Tauren Shaman (0/42/19). 8462 HP; 6576 Mana; 129 mana regen; 28 mp5; 4624 Armour; 1260 AP; 200.3 Melee DPS; 26.37% melee crit; 193 melee hit; 13.55% dodge; 5% block; 12 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 614 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/249hmg ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2wj7rf ]] |
| 13:28.47 | Mecdemort | skewed to defense and melee |
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| 13:29.13 | HarveyDent | what text editor can I use on a Mac that shows line numbers? |
| 13:29.20 | HarveyDent | Can I get textedit to show them? |
| 13:29.27 | cncfanatics | ur warrior sucks draco :p |
| 13:29.36 | [dRaCo] | mine is the shaman :þ |
| 13:29.49 | [Ammo] | you rshaman sucks at being a warrior |
| 13:29.50 | cncfanatics | who's warrior is that ? :p he's awfull ^^ |
| 13:30.15 | [dRaCo] | ammo: meanie. |
| 13:30.31 | cncfanatics | I do agree with [Ammo] though |
| 13:30.37 | Jelmie | I so have the feeling I'm forgetting an addon -.- |
| 13:30.55 | CIA-14 | 03jerry 07jerry * r46435 10Grid/Grid/ (GridLocale-koKR.lua GridStatus.lua): |
| 13:30.55 | CIA-14 | Grid: (branch) |
| 13:30.55 | CIA-14 | _ bugfix, drycode ftl |
| 13:30.55 | CIA-14 | _ update koKR locale |
| 13:31.08 | HarveyDent | Ah okalso a bug with Omen |
| 13:31.15 | HarveyDent | if you set omen hide to ON |
| 13:31.25 | Jelmie | bartender, quartz, sctd, grid, violation, cooldowncount |
| 13:31.31 | HarveyDent | then you remain in an instance and everyone leaves group |
| 13:31.34 | [dRaCo] | I like my shaman... could need a new helmet, though |
| 13:31.35 | HarveyDent | and omen goes away |
| 13:31.38 | [Ammo] | Jelmie: get parrot instead of sct + sctd |
| 13:31.40 | HarveyDent | it is still set to active |
| 13:31.50 | Jelmie | less mem? |
| 13:31.51 | [Ammo] | get OmniCC from wowinterface.com instead of cooldowncount |
| 13:31.54 | HarveyDent | typing /omen standby reports it is now "suspended" but now omen is displayed |
| 13:31.56 | [Ammo] | Jelmie: more efficient at least |
| 13:32.01 | Mecdemort | in order of operations, and is above or right? |
| 13:32.06 | Jelmie | ah ok |
| 13:32.23 | Iceroth | rat_Modules\modules\Font.lua:425: attempt to index local 'c' (a number value) |
| 13:32.26 | Mecdemort | HarveyDent: omen has issues with /omen standby and right-click toggle |
| 13:32.32 | Iceroth | *Prat_Modules |
| 13:32.36 | HarveyDent | ah ok |
| 13:32.37 | cncfanatics | HarveyDent, some addons just dont support being disabled |
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| 13:32.47 | HarveyDent | first I ever ran into this |
| 13:32.59 | Mecdemort | you're better off using toggle instead of standby |
| 13:33.19 | HarveyDent | well the thing is |
| 13:33.28 | HarveyDent | I have it set to only show if I'm ina party / raid |
| 13:33.43 | HarveyDent | it will auto-appear/hide based on party/raid status |
| 13:33.47 | HarveyDent | otherwise it's off |
| 13:34.13 | HarveyDent | However, I just noticed now that once everyone in my group left, omen hid itself but was listed as "Active" |
| 13:34.23 | Mecdemort | hmm where is that option |
| 13:34.26 | HarveyDent | then I typed /omen standby |
| 13:34.34 | HarveyDent | and its showing now but is listed as suspended |
| 13:35.30 | HarveyDent | ah ok |
| 13:35.49 | HarveyDent | now going into omen while it is "suspended", then clicking on "Toggle Omen" hides Omen |
| 13:36.05 | HarveyDent | then typing /omen standby returns it to the screen and lists it as active |
| 13:38.28 | yacoob | is there anything good in Parrot that would make one switch from MSBT? (instead of being ace2y cool :) |
| 13:39.13 | JoshBorke | it has icons or something |
| 13:39.26 | Grum | use it because its ace2y |
| 13:40.00 | Mecdemort | any benifits of parrot over sct? |
| 13:40.16 | JoshBorke | more cpu usage |
| 13:40.16 | Grum | newer ace2y! |
| 13:40.22 | [Ammo] | less cpu actually josh |
| 13:40.40 | JoshBorke | hehe, i wouldn't know, i haven't run either in ages |
| 13:40.40 | nevcairiel | i am still stuck on msbt |
| 13:40.42 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 13:40.43 | evl | default combat text ftw :D |
| 13:40.53 | yacoob | less cpu! double the excitement! |
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| 13:40.56 | yacoob | ( |
| 13:41.01 | yacoob | ("get down again!") |
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| 13:41.17 | evl | Actually I'd like to see how much more CPU friendly Parrot is compared to the default combat text |
| 13:41.32 | [Ammo] | probably uses more |
| 13:41.34 | Mecdemort | the default combat text just isnt customizable enough |
| 13:41.35 | [Ammo] | but it can do more :p |
| 13:41.52 | Fisker- | isn't blizzard improving cooking and fishing in next patch btw? |
| 13:41.56 | nevcairiel | anything parrot can do, that msbt cannot? |
| 13:41.56 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 13:42.02 | yacoob | custmizable? it's *ugly* like... like... like something VERY UGLY! |
| 13:42.03 | JoshBorke | they already improved fishing |
| 13:42.04 | nevcairiel | yes Fisker- |
| 13:42.05 | Punkie` | Mecdemort: It is configurable, you just need to write a tiny addon for it :p |
| 13:42.07 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: icons |
| 13:42.13 | weab | i like the default combat text |
| 13:42.16 | nevcairiel | what do i want icons for? |
| 13:42.17 | evl | I use the default |
| 13:42.20 | evl | and I've added some extra stuff |
| 13:42.20 | Uhuru | Is Violation compatible with SimpleCombatLog ? |
| 13:42.22 | evl | like killing blows |
| 13:42.31 | Punkie` | I use the default, but not evl's because it sucks |
| 13:42.42 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: you said had, not want |
| 13:42.45 | weab | i like parrot a little more, but i still think the default is pretty good |
| 13:42.55 | evl | Punkie`: you stole it! |
| 13:43.09 | evl | The way I see it, DPS > Functionality |
| 13:43.11 | HarveyDent | nyone have any suggestions for a text editor on mac that will show line numbers, etc. ? |
| 13:43.16 | Fisker- | yay nevcairiel |
| 13:43.26 | evl | HarveyDent: SCiTE or TextMate |
| 13:43.27 | Fisker- | 350->375 cooking makes me a sad panda |
| 13:43.29 | Punkie` | evl: go upgrade your ram :P |
| 13:43.34 | nevcairiel | i know that parrot will be abandonded once ckk found a new project, so i dont even try to get used to it =P |
| 13:43.35 | Punkie` | Fisker-: old |
| 13:43.41 | Mecdemort | Fisker-: used to be impossible for alliance |
| 13:43.43 | Grum | Fisker-: learn to fish? |
| 13:43.46 | evl | Punkie`: 2gb:( |
| 13:43.53 | Grum | Mecdemort: crawdads! ;D |
| 13:44.00 | Fisker- | i'm doing that |
| 13:44.02 | weab | HarveyDent: textmate all the way |
| 13:44.10 | Fisker- | but it's not the easiest profession to level! |
| 13:44.19 | Fisker- | i'd rather level up enchanting again than do fishing |
| 13:44.26 | Punkie` | Fisker-: Fish + Cooking + ??? = profit |
| 13:44.32 | evl | +2 weap damage to ringgggz |
| 13:44.33 | Punkie` | hint: ??? is brains |
| 13:44.35 | evl | !!! |
| 13:44.41 | Grum | yeah cooking is quite a moneymaker:) |
| 13:44.47 | Grum | 1-2g per consumable |
| 13:44.51 | Mecdemort | enchanters need more love |
| 13:44.54 | Fisker- | Punkie` OBVIOUS SOLUTION IS OBVIOUUUUUUUUUS |
| 13:44.59 | Grum | Mecdemort: why? |
| 13:45.11 | Grum | just have items yield more arcanedust ;D |
| 13:45.15 | Mecdemort | only thing that helps us is ring enchants |
| 13:45.21 | Grum | oh lol |
| 13:45.31 | Chompers | i leveled fishing during our Lurker attempts |
| 13:45.33 | Grum | so how is alchemy helping anyone? |
| 13:45.33 | evl | enchanting rings is imba |
| 13:45.35 | Chompers | yeah, we wiped alot |
| 13:45.36 | Grum | or herbin? or mining? |
| 13:45.38 | Punkie` | evl: inscription will be awesome |
| 13:45.44 | evl | Punkie`: yeah, I'll toss JC for it |
| 13:45.46 | Mecdemort | we should be able to enchant rings, necklaces, and belts for only ourselves... and make wands/offhands |
| 13:46.01 | evl | I'm gonna inscribe my penis with +2cm |
| 13:46.11 | Mecdemort | for a grand total of 3? |
| 13:46.14 | Grum | the problem is, everyone will 'need' to get enchanting Mecdemort |
| 13:46.15 | Mecdemort | aiming a bit low i think |
| 13:46.15 | evl | 2.1 |
| 13:46.24 | HarveyDent | evl: SCiTE doesnt work on a Mac |
| 13:46.28 | Grum | atm it has a nice edge but you dont need to have it |
| 13:46.30 | HarveyDent | at least, not out of the box |
| 13:46.34 | evl | HarveyDent: uh? :P |
| 13:46.36 | HarveyDent | do I have to do anything? |
| 13:46.38 | Mecdemort | grum well if you compare it to what you get from the other professions, i dont think so |
| 13:46.41 | Grum | same for priests .. priests without alchemy make me laugh |
| 13:46.45 | Grum | you need that stupid alchemist stone |
| 13:46.51 | evl | TextMate > * |
| 13:47.10 | weab | yes. evl is correct |
| 13:47.20 | Fisker- | no u weab |
| 13:47.21 | Grum | Mecdemort: you only get the alchemist stone from alchemy Mecdemort |
| 13:47.42 | Mecdemort | true, it needs some loving too |
| 13:47.48 | Grum | BS gives loads, LW gives nothing, enginering gives helms and trinkets, jewelcrafting gives trinkets |
| 13:48.02 | Mecdemort | the alchemist stone should be passive from the prof, and should affect *all* potions |
| 13:48.17 | Grum | tailoring is nice but you limit yourself by the spec you pick |
| 13:48.27 | Mecdemort | tailoring is fucking OP in the extreme |
| 13:48.33 | Grum | yup |
| 13:48.45 | Grum | mooncloth and frozen shadoweave are so beyond imba |
| 13:48.59 | Mecdemort | all of my clothie alts are tailors and have almost as good gear as my main... so sad |
| 13:49.02 | Grum | any priest/warlock not having tailoring are silly |
| 13:49.09 | Pkekyo | anyone got an idea why SCT no longer shows enter/leave combat? |
| 13:49.19 | Grum | Pkekyo: you turned it of? |
| 13:49.21 | Mecdemort | Pkekyo: you might have it turned off |
| 13:49.22 | Grum | it worked for me last night afaik |
| 13:49.25 | pb_ee1 | Pkekyo: because Parrot does it (:p) |
| 13:49.47 | Mecdemort | so... whats the inside joke on why it's called parrot |
| 13:50.06 | pb_ee1 | catch ckknight and ask him ;) |
| 13:50.09 | nevcairiel | just another animal on the ckk farm :P |
| 13:50.19 | [dRaCo] | cause ckk's unitframes are called pitbull |
| 13:50.29 | pb_ee1 | parrot, pitbull, cowtip.... too bad he did not code Buffalo :p |
| 13:50.39 | Chompers | what's a Fubar then? |
| 13:50.44 | Grum | imba |
| 13:50.50 | nevcairiel | fubar was before the funny naming |
| 13:50.54 | pb_ee1 | Fuck U bar |
| 13:51.02 | Grum | fucked up bar actually :) |
| 13:51.03 | pb_ee1 | Oops! |
| 13:51.14 | pb_ee1 | Grum: does it really mean that? |
| 13:51.18 | Punkie` | have you guys never watched movies like saving private ryan? |
| 13:51.25 | Grum | fubar is fucked up beyond any recognition :/ |
| 13:51.49 | Punkie` | or *all repair :p |
| 13:51.53 | Grum | FUBAR is an acronym that commonly means "Fucked Up Beyond All Repair" or "Fucked Up Beyond Any Recognition"; see below for other variations. It is attested in the United States Army and other military settings, as well as civilian environments. |
| 13:52.13 | pb_ee1 | d'oh |
| 13:52.18 | pb_ee1 | didn't know that |
| 13:52.37 | Punkie` | Watch more movies! |
| 13:52.50 | Grum | In Saving Private Ryan (1998) the term is used by the soldiers in Captain Miller's squad. Corporal Upham, their interpreter, is unfamiliar with it and the others jokingly tell him it's German. He is later shown looking in his German dictionary and remarking: "Hey, I looked up FUBAR in the German dictionary and there's no FUBAR in there." |
| 13:52.52 | pb_ee1 | i've seen saving private ryan |
| 13:52.57 | Pkekyo | Grum: never turned it off |
| 13:52.57 | pb_ee1 | but in French :p |
| 13:53.06 | Grum | Pkekyo: toggle it off and on again |
| 13:53.12 | Grum | might be some setting not getting picked up correctly |
| 13:53.40 | pb_ee1 | grum: yes, i remember this sequence |
| 13:54.14 | Pkekyo | I changed to parrot bcause of this...was just curious:p |
| 13:54.57 | Grum | suuure .. make sure you have cookies |
| 13:55.24 | Grum | humz i can draw routes, what useful feature should i make now? :/ |
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| 13:57.30 | Mecdemort | better than fubar is seeing someone suffer from HUYAS |
| 13:57.58 | Grum | if you make a 'AceDB' RegisterDefault like: ['*'] = { key = nil, key2 = nil } can you then simply say: db.account["asd"] = {} - will it automaticly take over the default settings? |
| 13:58.16 | Grum | basicly making: db.account["asd"] = { key = nil, key2 = nil } |
| 13:58.18 | Mecdemort | in theory yes, but i cant get it to work in practice |
| 13:58.28 | CIA-14 | 03toadkiller * r46436 10PeriodicTable-3.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 13:58.28 | CIA-14 | PeriodicTable-3.0: |
| 13:58.28 | CIA-14 | - Some buff foods & blasted lands buffs |
| 13:58.50 | Grum | or should i do something like: table.insert( db.account, "asd" ) ? |
| 13:59.05 | Mecdemort | hmm that might do it |
| 13:59.17 | Mecdemort | i know just adding as ["asd"] wasnt working for me |
| 13:59.32 | Grum | but that might also make: db.account = { 1 = "asd" } |
| 13:59.37 | Mecdemort | ya |
| 13:59.42 | Mecdemort | i havnt a clue |
| 14:00.46 | Grum | because the first feature will probably be adding 'named' routes |
| 14:00.58 | Grum | so i can have multiple per area |
| 14:01.28 | Grum | but i have to make something to create an empty one and select the active one |
| 14:02.05 | Grum | humz then i have to look how to put that in a dynamic menu O.o |
| 14:02.35 | Mecdemort | if you use ['*'] then thoroghly test it |
| 14:03.53 | Grum | why? |
| 14:04.13 | Grum | i need to use that because i have keys i've named myself :) |
| 14:05.29 | Grum | basically: db.account["zone"]["routename"] = { route = {....}, color = ... } |
| 14:07.28 | Tinyboom | the term Fubar is also used in "Big Trouble in Little China" with Kurt Russel ;) where I first heard it:p |
| 14:08.15 | Nandini | when i need to use tables i just always create them first with dummy data in a lua editor |
| 14:08.47 | Nandini | then i try a few operations on them to make sure the tables are actually gonna be usable in a reasonably efficient way |
| 14:09.01 | Nandini | (and just to give myself examples i can use later in real code) |
| 14:09.53 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather nohappy |
| 14:09.56 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Nohappy, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (13/0/48). 12006 HP; 13219 Armour; 872 AP; 129.5 Melee DPS; 10.97% melee crit; 30 melee hit; 286 defense; 13.69% dodge; 15.6% block; 33 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1257 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/295w4z ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2ud889 ]] |
| 14:10.08 | Pkekyo | goddamnit, the fucker specced prot |
| 14:10.28 | Mecdemort | oo lets check my guilds MTs |
| 14:10.34 | Mecdemort | !c us dalaran arno |
| 14:10.37 | ThraeBot | Mecdemort: Arno, Level 70 Dwarf Warrior (8/5/48). 16864 HP; 16831 Armour; 736 AP; 138.7 Melee DPS; 12.35% melee crit; 58 melee hit; 11 +spell dmg/heal; 361 defense; 20.22% dodge; 34.06% block; 10 frost resist (+10); +33 all resists (+10 frost);[[ TBR: 1317 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ytulf6 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2w9pld ]] |
| 14:10.44 | Mecdemort | !c us dalaran hoyber |
| 14:10.47 | ThraeBot | Mecdemort: Hoyber, Level 70 Gnome Warrior (31/30/0). 11074 HP; 9691 Armour; 1890 AP; 277.3 Melee DPS; 23.79% melee crit; 166 melee hit; 7.12% dodge; 5% block;[[ TBR: 962 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2736jy ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/32ctox ]] |
| 14:11.00 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather baesj |
| 14:11.00 | Pkekyo | my guild's MT - me x) |
| 14:11.04 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Baesj, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (8/5/48). 13045 HP; 13294 Armour; 638 AP; 127.7 Melee DPS; 10.41% melee crit; 45 melee hit; 308 defense; 19.27% dodge; 26.65% block; 4 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1286 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ytatlc ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2okjqb ]] |
| 14:11.22 | Nandini | is that defense number defense rating i take it? |
| 14:11.44 | Pkekyo | rating |
| 14:11.46 | Chompers | !c eu kul tiras Sorken |
| 14:11.47 | Pkekyo | 500 defense |
| 14:11.49 | ThraeBot | Chompers: Sorken, Level 70 Night Elf Warrior (13/0/48). 13814 HP; 15897 Armour; 702 AP; 132.2 Melee DPS; 6.9% melee crit; 362 defense; 26.42% dodge; 24.91% block; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1111 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yq5l7a ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2shpdh ]] |
| 14:11.53 | Mecdemort | !c us dalaran mequila |
| 14:11.56 | ThraeBot | Mecdemort: Mequila, Level 70 Draenei Warrior (12/6/43). 13284 HP; 12871 Armour; 746 AP; 119.3 Melee DPS; 13.05% melee crit; 13 melee hit; 12 +spell dmg/heal; 316 defense; 17.17% dodge; 27.09% block; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1212 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2xw3t4 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3adm3j ]] |
| 14:12.01 | Mecdemort | ^ thats my alt |
| 14:12.27 | Nandini | i wonder what i look like |
| 14:12.35 | Nandini | !c us darrowmere nandini |
| 14:12.38 | ThraeBot | Nandini: Nandini, Level 70 Tauren Druid (1/46/14). 10872 HP; 5570 Mana; 103 mana regen; 5171 Armour; 108.4 Melee DPS; 15.11% melee crit; 20 melee hit; 38 +heal; 204 defense; 26.19% dodge; 65 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 164 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2bxmbo ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2w7vff ]] |
| 14:12.51 | Nandini | hmm i'm not in bear form |
| 14:13.17 | Pkekyo | gotta love it...every time I do that I start a spam frenzy :> |
| 14:13.24 | Nandini | i'd never tried it before |
| 14:14.07 | Nandini | it needs an option to read my talents, and switch me virtually into bear form and then show my stats :) |
| 14:14.46 | Pkekyo | goddamnit, can't buy the sha |
| 14:14.59 | Pkekyo | sha'tar shield, 'cause I'd run low on defense...one less than immune >.< |
| 14:15.16 | Pkekyo | Nandini: it's just a armory dataminer afaik |
| 14:19.13 | CIA-14 | 03jaslaughter * r46437 10Baggins_Search/Baggins_Search.lua: Baggins_Search: Search now includes itemType, itemSubType; Added a touch of polish. |
| 14:20.47 | Fisker- | Anyone know how many US realms there are? |
| 14:21.57 | Grum | check www.worldofwarcraft.com prolly has a realmlist |
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| 14:23.58 | Fisker- | just copy/pasted the realmlist into a file and saw the number of lines instead :P |
| 14:25.51 | Grum | :D .. hmm which addon is used to create dropdowns? |
| 14:25.55 | Grum | is that dewdrop? |
| 14:29.39 | JoshBorke | yes |
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| 14:35.37 | baer_ | moin. |
| 14:35.37 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather tabar |
| 14:35.40 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Tabar, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (0/0/61). 11103 HP; 11037 Armour; 1424 AP; 171.6 Melee DPS; 9.12% melee crit; 74 melee hit; 115 +spell dmg; 148 defense; 10.25% dodge; 17.34% block; 3 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1233 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fzm58 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2ksoee ]] |
| 14:38.12 | baer_ | is there an ace2'd alternative to auctioneer (http://sf.net/projects/auctioneer-wow/) ? |
| 14:38.55 | Kaydeethree | any reason why you'd need the ace-based version? auctioneer tends to be the de facto auction mod |
| 14:39.01 | Pkekyo | christ, he specced 0/0/61 O.o |
| 14:39.08 | Kaydeethree | not entirely sure there is such a thing, tbqh |
| 14:39.38 | baer_ | Kaydeethree, actually there's no reason, but i really <3 ace-addons :) |
| 14:40.04 | Kaydeethree | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Make_it_Ace%27d |
| 14:40.48 | Mecdemort | i prefer ace addons simply because i like mucky around in my addons |
| 14:41.08 | Mecdemort | and knowing ace makes that a lot easier |
| 14:43.19 | kenlyric | but, auctioneer is pretty awesome. |
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| 14:44.11 | cryogen | i use ace addons because i use so damned many that i almost certainly get great benefit from the libraries :p |
| 14:44.28 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46438 10AddonLoader/AddonLoader-zhTW.lua: AddonLoader: updated zhTW localization |
| 14:44.42 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46439 10AutoBar/Locale-zhTW.lua: |
| 14:44.42 | CIA-14 | AutoBar: |
| 14:44.42 | CIA-14 | updated zhTW localization |
| 14:44.51 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46440 10BugSack/BugSack-zhTW.lua: BugSack: updated zhTW localization |
| 14:45.06 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46441 10Cartographer/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Cartographer: updated zhTW localization |
| 14:45.31 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46442 10Cartographer_Fishing/addon.lua: Cartographer_Fishing: updated zhTW localization |
| 14:45.54 | nevcairiel | man those translators :P |
| 14:46.17 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46443 10FuBar_FactionsFu/Locales/FuBar_FactionsFu.zhTW.lua: |
| 14:46.17 | CIA-14 | FuBar_FactionsFu |
| 14:46.17 | CIA-14 | - updated zhTW localization |
| 14:46.28 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46444 10FuBar_FriendsFu/FuBar_FriendsFuLocals.zhTW.lua: |
| 14:46.28 | CIA-14 | FuBar_FriendsFu |
| 14:46.28 | CIA-14 | updated zhTW localization |
| 14:46.28 | Mecdemort | wtb translations for my addons |
| 14:46.38 | CIA-14 | 03jerry 07jerry * r46445 10Grid/Grid/GridFrame.lua: Grid: (branch) Blizzard UI uses UNKNOWNOBJECT instead of UNKNOWN, so I'll do the same. |
| 14:46.38 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46446 10FuBar_GuildFu/FuBar_GuildFuLocals.zhTW.lua: |
| 14:46.38 | CIA-14 | FuBar_GuildFu |
| 14:46.38 | CIA-14 | updated zhTW localization |
| 14:47.03 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46447 10FuBar_LocationFu/LocationFuLocale-zhTW.lua: FuBar_LocationFu: updated zhTW localization |
| 14:47.12 | baer_ | Mecdemort, to which addon and which locale? |
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| 14:47.33 | Mecdemort | bigwigs_wavetimers for all but enUS |
| 14:47.39 | Fisker- | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1187016395317.gif |
| 14:47.41 | Fisker- | PEDOPOKE! |
| 14:48.12 | baer_ | Mecdemort, i could do the deDE translation. |
| 14:48.23 | Mecdemort | that'd be great |
| 14:48.32 | Mecdemort | ill stop being lazy and do the french myself |
| 14:48.47 | baer_ | lemme check this one out, wavetimer doesn't ring a bell. |
| 14:49.25 | nevcairiel | whats WaveTimers then? |
| 14:49.39 | Mecdemort | i need to rename it to HyjalWaveTimers |
| 14:49.44 | baer_ | Tracks time before next wave in Mount Hyjal. |
| 14:50.10 | baer_ | Mecdemort, ok, betatesting could be a bit hard, since my 25-player raid retired... |
| 14:50.26 | baer_ | and the highest instance i saw was magtheridons lair. :) |
| 14:50.40 | Mecdemort | would you have to test the translations? |
| 14:51.18 | baer_ | i would like to do this :) |
| 14:51.36 | baer_ | otherwise it might be like the zhTW translations here ^^ |
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| 14:52.34 | Mecdemort | knock yourself out |
| 14:56.37 | Nandini | hmm i never noticed that the simpleminimap textures were converted back to blp format |
| 14:57.34 | Nandini | i wonder if that provides any real benefit except saving a millisecond when reading it from disk |
| 14:57.44 | CIA-14 | 03mecdemort * r46448 10Baggins_AnywhereBags/Core.lua: Baggins_AnywhereBags: - Removed sort types. Uses Baggins bags and sections instead. |
| 14:58.10 | Mecdemort | it might give a benefit if the texture is highly scaled |
| 14:59.26 | Nandini | why's that? i assumed both blp and tga image data are the same size uncompressed, they seem to contain the same bit depth and dimensions |
| 14:59.50 | Mecdemort | tga just stores the size, whereas blp stores mipmaps |
| 15:02.52 | Nandini | the mipmaps would be used at smaller scales? |
| 15:03.24 | Mecdemort | yar |
| 15:06.33 | Nandini | i'm trying to think of a UI example where a texture might be scaled down to 50% regularly |
| 15:06.47 | Nandini | around 50% that is |
| 15:06.59 | Mecdemort | no idea |
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| 15:08.03 | Nandini | i suppose even if it had no real visual or performance effect in-game, using compressed blp files could reduce bandwidth usage for downloading. |
| 15:08.05 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather nohappy |
| 15:08.07 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Nohappy, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (13/0/48). 12006 HP; 13219 Armour; 872 AP; 129.5 Melee DPS; 10.97% melee crit; 30 melee hit; 286 defense; 13.69% dodge; 15.6% block; 33 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1257 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/295w4z ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2ud889 ]] |
| 15:09.54 | Pkekyo | !c eub loodfeather baesj |
| 15:10.01 | Pkekyo | !c eu loodfeather baesj |
| 15:10.01 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: baesj is not the character you are looking for! |
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| 15:10.23 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather baesj |
| 15:10.26 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Baesj, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (8/5/48). 13045 HP; 13294 Armour; 638 AP; 127.7 Melee DPS; 10.41% melee crit; 45 melee hit; 308 defense; 19.27% dodge; 26.65% block; 4 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1286 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ytatlc ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2okjqb ]] |
| 15:10.53 | Mecdemort | ok i need more ideas for AnywhereBags |
| 15:11.05 | Pkekyo | what IS anywherebags? |
| 15:11.13 | Mecdemort | Baggins_AnywhereBags |
| 15:11.33 | Nandini | do you handle the storage part in AnywhereBags? |
| 15:11.42 | Mecdemort | ya |
| 15:11.51 | Nandini | i'm thinking this is an ideal library application |
| 15:12.07 | Nandini | so many different addons replicate this task in different ways and clutter up SVs |
| 15:12.27 | Grum | what does AnywhereBags do? allows you to inspect your bags from anywhere? :P |
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| 15:12.32 | Grum | also from alts? |
| 15:12.36 | Mecdemort | yes |
| 15:12.40 | Grum | also bankchars? |
| 15:12.46 | Mecdemort | yup |
| 15:12.47 | Grum | erm bank-bags |
| 15:12.49 | kenlyric | I can see my bags from all the way across the world! |
| 15:12.51 | Grum | what about the mailbox? |
| 15:12.51 | Nandini | how is it better than characterinfostorage? |
| 15:12.57 | Mecdemort | even mailbox |
| 15:13.02 | Pkekyo | so pretty much just the same as OneView...? |
| 15:13.14 | kenlyric | prettymuch. |
| 15:13.15 | Nandini | oneview doesn't store mail i don't think |
| 15:13.20 | Mecdemort | ya but when its said and done will use baggins layouts to display |
| 15:13.33 | Nandini | i don't think characterinfostorage saves mail info either |
| 15:13.38 | kenlyric | I prefer sanity for that function. |
| 15:13.42 | Pkekyo | it doesn't save mail info, no |
| 15:13.48 | Mecdemort | ha, i win |
| 15:14.05 | Grum | what about gear on your alt? |
| 15:14.06 | Nandini | SOME other addon does though, because i used to have something that showed me mail on all my chars |
| 15:14.19 | Nandini | including mail i had sent from one char to the alt, without having to log onto that alt first |
| 15:14.20 | Mecdemort | it stores: Equiped gear, bags, bank, keyring, and mail |
| 15:14.21 | kenlyric | sanity does. |
| 15:14.25 | Grum | for when someone asks you: can you use [xxxx] .. and you are like well .. i dont know if that's better! |
| 15:14.41 | Grum | Mecdemort: then why dont i have it yet? |
| 15:14.52 | Mecdemort | do you use baggins? |
| 15:14.56 | Grum | yeah |
| 15:15.00 | Mecdemort | go for it |
| 15:15.10 | Grum | there is just one thing i hate about baggins |
| 15:15.24 | Nandini | so many mods to view your bank/bags, so very little to distinguish them |
| 15:15.28 | Mecdemort | right now since i dont have the frames done yet, it adds all the characters/bags/items into a submenu of baggins, and you can search via /bab search |
| 15:15.37 | Grum | when you are alt-click-mailing away a big stack ... the stack can jump away from your cursor :\ |
| 15:16.21 | Mecdemort | i dont think baggins handles alt-clicks so it must be something else |
| 15:16.39 | Grum | no it re-orders the inventory based on it's contents |
| 15:16.41 | Nandini | did you consider using characterinfostorage for saving your data mecdemort? |
| 15:16.43 | silentium | hmm, my characterinfo shows me mail info, I love it |
| 15:16.44 | JASlaughter | Grum there's an option for that |
| 15:16.50 | Grum | JASlaughter: there is? mmm |
| 15:17.08 | JASlaughter | Yeah, I hate things jumping when I sell, move to/from bank too |
| 15:17.17 | Nandini | actually not for saving it, but rather for displaying it |
| 15:17.19 | JASlaughter | Can't remember off the top of my head what it is, but it's there |
| 15:17.24 | Mecdemort | Nandini: no because i store baggins info along with the items, but ill look into it |
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| 15:17.58 | Grum | what's the addon creating 'optionmenus' you can register |
| 15:18.06 | Nandini | ahh, it might not support that. i know a couple other mods use characterinfostorage as their library for item/inventory/bags/mail management across chars |
| 15:18.16 | Grum | it seems that it should be using some kinda of auto-generated dewdrop menus |
| 15:18.49 | Pkekyo | anyone know how to get ONE defense rating real quick? |
| 15:18.55 | Grum | 'one' ? |
| 15:19.01 | Grum | humz |
| 15:19.06 | Mecdemort | bracer or cloak enchant |
| 15:19.06 | Nandini | rating? add a vindicators armor kit |
| 15:19.15 | Nandini | there's 8 for you, or 12 on bracer |
| 15:19.28 | Grum | yeah there is a +1 enchant |
| 15:19.29 | Nandini | i prefer +12 def on bracer since i can put +12 stam gems in |
| 15:19.32 | JASlaughter | Mecdemor: Items .. Always Resort |
| 15:19.47 | Mecdemort | ? |
| 15:19.55 | Nandini | can't use a +12 stam enchant and then conjure up a +12 def gem |
| 15:20.05 | Mecdemort | oh ya, i didnt care for the non resort when it was first added, but now i like it |
| 15:20.16 | JASlaughter | Oops meant for Grum |
| 15:20.16 | Nandini | just ask a leatherworker to make you a vindicator's armor kit quick, they're cheap |
| 15:20.17 | Grum | Formula: Enchant Bracer - Deflection does +5 |
| 15:20.28 | Grum | JASlaughter; thanks will look at it |
| 15:20.30 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46449 10FuBar_MicroMenuFu/FuBar_MicroMenuFu.toc: FuBar_MicroMenuFu: comment out not exists files in toc |
| 15:20.38 | Nandini | and easy +8 defense as long as you don't mind overwriting another enchant on chest/legs/hands/feet |
| 15:20.42 | Grum | also annoying when you use 'compress the most' so it makes the smallest screen avail |
| 15:20.54 | Grum | bags jump around when they 'fit better' on another spot :) |
| 15:21.16 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46450 10FuBar_PTReagentFu/ (FuBar_PTReagentFu.toc PTReagentFuLocals-zhTW.lua embeds.xml): |
| 15:21.16 | CIA-14 | FuBar_PTReagentFu: |
| 15:21.16 | CIA-14 | - updated zhTW localization |
| 15:21.16 | CIA-14 | - use embeds.xml |
| 15:21.42 | Pkekyo | Vindicator's Armor kit goes onto what iteM? |
| 15:21.52 | Nandini | chest/hands/legs/feet i believe |
| 15:21.58 | Nandini | any of those |
| 15:22.05 | Pkekyo | damnit, I allready have very good enchants on all those slots |
| 15:22.14 | Nandini | get +12 on your bracers then |
| 15:22.26 | Grum | Pkekyo: why do you want '1' defense rating? :) |
| 15:22.55 | Pkekyo | because that'll let me stay crit immune after I buy the sha'tar exalted shield |
| 15:22.57 | Nandini | exactly 1 defense rating may not raise your skill as expected, since there is rounding involved |
| 15:23.11 | Nandini | you might find out afterwards you need 2 |
| 15:23.28 | Grum | what is the best way to set up an 'option menu' for: 'select one of these' (radio button style) |
| 15:23.40 | Pkekyo | howso? I'd have 489, and would need one more |
| 15:23.42 | Nandini | also, your defense rating IS fractional, so it's not exactly as it appears on the character screen |
| 15:23.50 | Mecdemort | Grum: a text box with a validate table |
| 15:23.54 | Coruss | defense *rating* != defense skill |
| 15:23.55 | Nandini | you need one defense skill then, not one defense rating |
| 15:23.57 | Coruss | they're not one to one |
| 15:24.00 | Grum | Mecdemort: nah you need to select one |
| 15:24.09 | Nandini | one defense skill is approx. 2.4 defense rating |
| 15:24.10 | Grum | and dropdowns can not be used in those menus :) |
| 15:24.30 | Mecdemort | dropdown becomes radio in dewdrop |
| 15:25.22 | Nandini | honestly, you will not see much difference having 489 vs. 490 defense skill |
| 15:25.32 | Pkekyo | well, I said one defense, and not one defense rating ;> |
| 15:25.41 | Pkekyo | holy shit, I said defense rating |
| 15:25.42 | Pkekyo | fuck me |
| 15:25.43 | Grum | Mecdemort: but how to add one using http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceOptions_data_table ? |
| 15:25.47 | Pkekyo | fuck me sideways |
| 15:25.51 | Nandini | despite what your character sheet says, you may have 489.499999 defense skill, making your chance to be crit 1/5000 |
| 15:25.55 | Mecdemort | here |
| 15:26.12 | Mecdemort | for dewdrop right? |
| 15:26.25 | Grum | Mecdemort: yeah i think that is put straight into dewdrop |
| 15:27.00 | Nandini | plus there's nothing wrong with having more than 490 defense rating, warriors and pallies continue to benefit from -hit, +block, +parry |
| 15:27.07 | Nandini | more than 490 skill i mean |
| 15:27.11 | Grum | juts having problems visualizing how to solve the: 'Add new XXX' -> [ inputbox ] and next to that having people 'select' one from a list (this one has to be dynamic - so people can add to it) |
| 15:27.16 | Nandini | and +dodge |
| 15:27.31 | Mecdemort | wait what |
| 15:28.03 | Mecdemort | you want them to either select from the list or add their own? |
| 15:28.03 | Grum | hehe, imagine a menu where you have the entries: 'Add item' and 'Select item' |
| 15:28.13 | Pkekyo | Nandini: ofcourse, but what is critical is to get one easy defense skill so I stay crit immune |
| 15:28.22 | Nandini | Add new XXX -> (series of radio buttons) / Other -> EditBox |
| 15:28.39 | Mecdemort | well, you could have it when Add item is selected to pop up an input box, then all the others are listed |
| 15:28.57 | Pkekyo | guess I'll have to sacrifice some stamina gem in benefid of +defense :< |
| 15:29.03 | Grum | humz no i only have 'new' and 'select' .. and new is always the editbox :) |
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| 15:29.24 | Nandini | or force them to add new "other" types in a different location so that when they return, their "other" type is listed in the radio buttons |
| 15:29.48 | Grum | but i have no idea how to do the radiobutton :D |
| 15:29.49 | Mecdemort | ya i havnt slept in over 24 hours, im not visualizing this |
| 15:29.54 | Grum | mmm |
| 15:30.00 | Funkeh` | loes |
| 15:30.06 | Mecdemort | but normal radio buttons are a text field with a validate table |
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| 15:31.17 | Nandini | Pkekyo: there's nothing wrong with having more than 490 defense skill, to a certain point, it will provide more mitigation through avoidance than stamina will through cushion |
| 15:31.40 | Mecdemort | ya you still get a lot of survivability from more def |
| 15:32.14 | Pkekyo | yeah, I currently have 500 defense |
| 15:32.27 | Pkekyo | considering to get a new shield, which would drop me down 11 defense |
| 15:32.45 | Nandini | and if 490 is okay, 489 should not be unbearable. So you get crit 1 out of 5000 hits, hopefully your healers can deal with that |
| 15:32.45 | Pkekyo | then I'd have to sacrifice a +stam gem to make up for the loss |
| 15:33.12 | Mecdemort | just use a defense+stam gem |
| 15:33.15 | Grum | Mecdemort: http://ace.pastey.net/72181 |
| 15:33.19 | Nandini | use +4/6 |
| 15:33.20 | Coruss | Pkekyo: what are the benefits of the new shield? more stam? armor? |
| 15:33.46 | Mecdemort | oh thats easy |
| 15:33.48 | Grum | phear my ascii skillz =D |
| 15:33.53 | Pkekyo | more block value, more block, more armor, more stam, more dodge, but less defense |
| 15:33.59 | Mecdemort | one sec ill throw it together |
| 15:34.14 | Pkekyo | it's the sha'tar exalted one, vs a blue that drops in shadowlabs or something |
| 15:34.17 | Nandini | doesn't sound like you'd be losing stam to switch to a +4/6 gem then |
| 15:34.26 | Coruss | the additional block and dodge should counteract the defense loss |
| 15:34.28 | Pkekyo | that would be talasite, no? |
| 15:34.35 | Coruss | since defense just ends up adding to dodge, parry and block anyways |
| 15:34.36 | Nandini | enduring talasite i believe |
| 15:34.46 | Pkekyo | great, talasite is cheap on my server |
| 15:34.56 | Grum | Mecdemort: the most important is that the 'list to select from' needs to remember what the current 'active' one is and add items whenever I add one |
| 15:35.15 | Mecdemort | ya |
| 15:35.30 | Nandini | +4 defense rating should give you about 1+2/3 defense skill, which should bump you up to 490 or 491 on the character sheet |
| 15:35.50 | Pkekyo | great |
| 15:36.37 | Pkekyo | also, on my thrown: 19 agi or 15stam? |
| 15:37.06 | Nandini | i'm a druid so i'd pick agi for the dodge |
| 15:37.16 | Pkekyo | <--- warrior |
| 15:37.24 | Nandini | we don't need shields, we have FUR to protect us. LOL |
| 15:37.32 | Pkekyo | rofl |
| 15:37.40 | Pkekyo | and a gazillion armor and hp |
| 15:37.46 | Coruss | druids also don't have thrown weapons ^^ |
| 15:37.47 | Nandini | so unrealistic to think that somehow fur would afford a bear the same protection as a suit of armor :) |
| 15:38.06 | Coruss | Pkekyo: if you've already hit 490 defense, stack stamina |
| 15:38.34 | Coruss | you will get more dodge from the agi, but you're better off growing your health pool for absorption |
| 15:38.38 | Nandini | unless you think dodge and crit would give you better survivability and tps |
| 15:38.59 | Nandini | i dont think warriors get as much dodge from agi as druids do tho, i think we are a special case |
| 15:39.10 | Mecdemort | Grum: http://ace.pastey.net/72183 |
| 15:39.17 | Coruss | you are |
| 15:39.25 | Coruss | warriors get parry & block, druids get more dodge |
| 15:39.36 | Pkekyo | Coruss: here's my warr: |
| 15:39.36 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather baesj |
| 15:39.40 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Baesj, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (8/5/48). 12961 HP; 14123 Armour; 638 AP; 127.7 Melee DPS; 10.41% melee crit; 45 melee hit; 297 defense; 19.23% dodge; 26.45% block; 4 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1286 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ytatlc ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2okjqb ]] |
| 15:39.41 | Coruss | which is why I say stack stamina after you're uncritable |
| 15:40.03 | Coruss | 297 defense? |
| 15:40.06 | Mecdemort | that should give the same layout as what you want, and will update the list apropriatly, then you just need to add whatever code in the functions |
| 15:40.12 | Nandini | that defense listed is rating, not skill |
| 15:40.16 | Pkekyo | coruss: it's rating |
| 15:40.18 | Grum | Mecdemort: thanks loads |
| 15:40.29 | Grum | i have no idea how i could have made that from the documentation i found on the wiki |
| 15:40.30 | Coruss | aah, ThraeBot ftw |
| 15:40.37 | Grum | is this me or is it rather 'vague' ? |
| 15:40.46 | Mecdemort | well you didnt give me any info :x |
| 15:41.00 | Nandini | you're giving it too much credit, grum, it's far less than vague, whatever word that might need :) |
| 15:41.27 | Nandini | it sucks that the examples aren't actual working examples, too |
| 15:41.32 | Grum | well .. from what i see the 'type' basicly declares whether it has a submenu or not |
| 15:41.33 | Coruss | Pkekyo: honestly I can't speak much on gear, I just know how the various war stats interact |
| 15:41.50 | Nandini | it's not something you can play with and see how your changes will affect it |
| 15:41.50 | Amadeo | What's the best area to level when you're 29 and Horde? |
| 15:41.51 | Grum | humz |
| 15:41.53 | Grum | that's not true |
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| 15:42.15 | Coruss | Amadeo: I took my 29 orc war to 1k needles, been decent there |
| 15:42.31 | Mecdemort | wait |
| 15:42.33 | Mecdemort | thats not right |
| 15:42.42 | Amadeo | Coruss: Yeah, I might end up going back |
| 15:42.46 | Amadeo | What level is Hillsbrad though? |
| 15:42.47 | Nandini | i'm trying (slowly) to create a reference project that includes actual use of the ace2 libraries, with documentation right in the working code |
| 15:42.59 | Nandini | hillsbrad is 20-30, try arathi |
| 15:43.02 | Coruss | Hillsbrad? I levelled there from 25-28 without alot of trouble |
| 15:43.12 | CIA-14 | 03hamunaptra * r46451 10fmBuffCheck/ (5 files): |
| 15:43.12 | CIA-14 | fmBuffCheck: |
| 15:43.12 | CIA-14 | - moved from individual buff reporting to overall raid reporting. To that end, all buffs have been weighted and judged according to class usability (this can of course be modified at any time) |
| 15:43.12 | CIA-14 | - first rudimentary tries at making the config updatable from one version to the next |
| 15:43.22 | Amadeo | I see! |
| 15:43.23 | Amadeo | thank ya |
| 15:43.26 | Coruss | that said, warriors with no support tend to need to grind on lower level mobs |
| 15:43.27 | Pkekyo | Coruss: what would you say would benefit me more? 19 agi or 15 stam? (ranged wep) |
| 15:43.40 | Grum | Mecdemort: hmmz seems 'validate' gives you the option list |
| 15:43.47 | Grum | let me find that in the docs ;D |
| 15:43.48 | Mecdemort | ya thats what i said |
| 15:44.00 | Nandini | i'd say go for stam on the weapon |
| 15:44.13 | Nandini | both will benefit you, but the stam benefit will be most obvious |
| 15:44.41 | Coruss | Pkekyo: stam, you've already hit 490 defense, so you're uncritable |
| 15:44.49 | Mecdemort | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceOptions_data_table#text |
| 15:44.51 | Nandini | healers will have an easier time than they do now, they tend to not realize how often you are actually dodging, parrying, blocking, etc. |
| 15:44.59 | Mecdemort | read the blurb right under Text |
| 15:45.04 | Pkekyo | meh, no enchanters online with +18 stam on shield enchant |
| 15:45.32 | Nandini | plus, the extra health is always there, dodge is a random chance |
| 15:45.58 | Coruss | Pkekyo: btw, I love the guild name |
| 15:46.20 | Pkekyo | Coruss: you should see the tabard! ;> |
| 15:46.26 | Mecdemort | here: http://ace.pastey.net/72184 that will give you the right layout |
| 15:46.39 | Nandini | it's just that as a druid, i get more random chance from that 19 agi than you do, so i might be tempted to wager on it instead of the stam :) |
| 15:47.07 | Mecdemort | when you mouse over Add Item, it'll pop up the input box on the right, when you mouse over Select Item it'll pop up a submenu of radio buttons |
| 15:47.26 | Pkekyo | sec, gonna see if I can find a screenie with the tabard on |
| 15:47.28 | Grum | Mecdemort: with 'usate = "<new item>", ' being usage? |
| 15:47.36 | Mecdemort | ya... |
| 15:47.40 | Grum | okies |
| 15:47.41 | Mecdemort | like i said, no sleep |
| 15:47.58 | Grum | thanks, i'll use both and see what difference it gives and just toy around a bit with it, thanks a lot :) |
| 15:48.11 | Nandini | that reminds me of how you add a new group in elkbuffbars mecdmort |
| 15:48.13 | Mecdemort | dont use the first one i made, it'll give an extra submenu |
| 15:48.26 | Grum | i'll use both, to see the difference :D |
| 15:48.28 | Nandini | i always thought that was nifty |
| 15:48.31 | Mecdemort | k |
| 15:48.37 | Pkekyo | Coruss: http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6961/wowscrnshot080807232547iu2.jpg you can kinda see the tabard there :> |
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| 15:49.04 | Grum | oh well omw to home! ;D |
| 15:49.40 | Pkekyo | whoah, atm I gain 61 stam from my shield O.o |
| 15:49.41 | Nandini | i wonder why they don't include a tabard image on the guild pages in the armory |
| 15:49.56 | Nandini | it's not like there are that many possible combinations |
| 15:50.17 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 15:50.22 | Nandini | they put flag logos on the arena team pages don't they? |
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| 15:50.48 | Pkekyo | aye |
| 15:50.54 | Pkekyo | would be the same thing |
| 15:51.23 | Coruss | Pkekyo: nice, goat's head |
| 15:51.32 | Pkekyo | kinda fits the guild name and all |
| 15:51.45 | Pkekyo | wanted to buy the sha'tar tabard now that I got exalted, but the goat is just too imba |
| 15:51.49 | Coruss | ya |
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| 15:52.13 | Pkekyo | ahah, gotta love it when RP nutters come to pvp realms ^^ |
| 15:52.40 | Nandini | there is a RP realm in my BG, it's always funny to run into them in a BG |
| 15:53.03 | Coruss | pssh, I do just fine against pvp realmers, that said, I actively pvp on my rp server |
| 15:53.11 | Nandini | they start out "in character" but then after a while if there's no one else from their server they turn into normal people, and they sound SO relieved! |
| 15:53.24 | Pkekyo | some guy had started a warrior fresh off an RP realm, asked me about speccs etc...great entertainment :> |
| 15:53.43 | Coruss | heh |
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| 15:54.08 | Coruss | personally I like RP realms cuz we tend to get a more 'adult' population |
| 15:54.18 | Nandini | is there some sort of code of conduct on how RPers are supposed to behave in a mixed BG? |
| 15:54.26 | Pkekyo | Coruss: valid point indeed |
| 15:54.27 | Coruss | not that I know of |
| 15:54.36 | CIA-14 | 03deccard * r46452 10MiniChat/Core.lua: |
| 15:54.36 | CIA-14 | MiniChat: |
| 15:54.36 | CIA-14 | - possible fix for min-/maximization issues |
| 15:54.53 | Nandini | or do they normally try and queue as a group to fill a team by themselves? and finally live out their battle fantasies? |
| 15:54.54 | Pkekyo | I'd imagine they'd be expected to behave there as anywhere else in the game |
| 15:54.58 | Coruss | afaik, the only thing any different about RP realms is that name restrictions (which are only occassionally GM enforced) |
| 15:55.18 | Pkekyo | Coruss: name restrictions? |
| 15:55.18 | Coruss | s/that/the |
| 15:55.36 | Coruss | no two word names, no famous names, nothing illegal, nothing offensive |
| 15:55.42 | Pkekyo | ah |
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| 15:55.52 | Pkekyo | my name is translated into shit in norwegian O.o |
| 15:55.53 | Coruss | my guild leader had her name reported (Fuzzyweed) for being two words and being offensive |
| 15:56.10 | Coruss | she was forced to change it |
| 15:56.11 | Nandini | but there are lots of fuzzy weeds in the game! |
| 15:56.15 | Pkekyo | considered to get it changed, but cba |
| 15:56.33 | Nandini | and it sounds like it would be a real family name for a dwarf or something |
| 15:56.39 | Coruss | Nandini: true, but the name isn't acceptable on an RP server |
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| 15:57.09 | Pkekyo | would this be acceptable? "drnknshtfcd" |
| 15:57.12 | Nandini | that would be like king arthur making lancelot change his name |
| 15:57.13 | Coruss | nope |
| 15:57.26 | Nandini | it sounds too much like a guy who likes to lance a lot |
| 15:57.33 | Coruss | lol |
| 15:57.41 | Pkekyo | rofl |
| 15:57.53 | Pkekyo | why wouldn't drnknshtfcd be allowed? it's a great name! |
| 15:58.03 | Coruss | its not 'fantasy' |
| 15:58.18 | Pkekyo | how is drunken shitfaced not a fantacy? :p |
| 15:58.23 | Nandini | maybe his fantasy is to get drunk and shitfaced! |
| 15:58.30 | Pkekyo | Nandini: indeed |
| 15:58.46 | Coruss | realistically, you could run around with it forever until someone reported it or the GMs did their sweep(rare, I've only seen two sweeps in two years) |
| 15:58.50 | Nandini | there was a guy in my HS whose last name was Drunkard |
| 15:59.07 | Pkekyo | in your HS? |
| 15:59.08 | Nandini | probably, hundreds of years ago, some guy in his family was a lush, and they gave him that name |
| 15:59.13 | Nandini | when i was in high school |
| 15:59.27 | Coruss | or his mom was a lush, and she figured he'd grow up to become one too |
| 15:59.44 | Coruss | oh wait.. last name? |
| 15:59.53 | Nandini | yup, for many many generations |
| 15:59.58 | Nandini | they were a proud family of drunkards. LOL |
| 15:59.59 | Coruss | lol probly just drunk when his ancestor came through customs |
| 16:00.13 | Coruss | lots of names got changed when people came to colonize the states |
| 16:00.17 | Nandini | exactly! some russian dude falling off the boat at ellis island |
| 16:00.24 | Coruss | mmhmm |
| 16:01.03 | Nandini | fantasy stories are full of characters with names that "mean" something, but aren't taken to mean anything in the context of a name |
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| 16:01.44 | Coruss | and Drunkard would be allowed on an RP server unless someone took offense to it |
| 16:01.46 | Nandini | would a gnome engineer with the name Leadfoot be out? |
| 16:01.53 | Coruss | just drnkshtfcd wouldn't be |
| 16:02.19 | Coruss | technically yes, but its a grey-area |
| 16:02.47 | Nandini | i wonder if they make exceptions for two words which are generally used as a compound word |
| 16:03.12 | Coruss | they generally don't care unless part of it is offensive |
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| 16:03.27 | Nandini | hmm, Leadpenis would probably not make it then |
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| 16:03.38 | Coruss | i.e. Cumslut would definitely get shotdown |
| 16:03.49 | Coruss | exactly |
| 16:04.02 | cncfanatics | any good profilers around ? |
| 16:04.15 | cncfanatics | I want to know what the loading time & stuff , mem & cpu usage of my addon is |
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| 16:04.32 | Nandini | i'm curious why there is such a fixation with loading time for people |
| 16:04.38 | Nandini | mem & cpu usage i can understand |
| 16:04.58 | Nandini | who cares if something takes an extra second one time at the beginning of my multi-hour gaming experience |
| 16:04.59 | Coruss | < loading time is good, less time staring at the bloody WoW pictures |
| 16:05.22 | Coruss | it just makes things feel more responsive |
| 16:05.51 | Coruss | but realistically you're right, an extra second? who cares... the only people that should care are those who make addons that dynamically load |
| 16:05.52 | Nandini | i don't expect wow to respond until it's done loading, and if it takes 12 seconds instead of 5 seconds, i won't lose any sleep over it |
| 16:05.56 | Silowyi | Coruss: on a non RP server one of my friends, a blacksmith who went by Blacky, had his named reported after 2 and a half years of playing. They made him change it on the grounds that it was racially derrogatory. |
| 16:06.03 | Keya | nandini: long load time is a pain in the $$$ if you have a disco in the middle of some bossfight |
| 16:06.04 | Nandini | true, LoD stuff is important |
| 16:06.21 | Pkekyo | Coruss: my guild's logo: http://www.cotfg.co.uk/images/logo_t.gif ^^ |
| 16:06.43 | cncfanatics | ~seen Ominous |
| 16:07.06 | purl | ominous is currently on #wowace (20h 15m 13s). Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 18h 27m 52s, last said: 'cncfanatics: watching friends tho'. |
| 16:07.07 | Nandini | still, if you get disconnected, chances are one or two extra seconds when logging in isn't going to make a huge difference |
| 16:07.07 | Coruss | Keya: in today's instances, if a vital person is getting dc'd in a bossfight, you'll wipe anyways, a second or two won't help |
| 16:07.22 | Coruss | Silowyi: same story for my guild leader, 2+ years as Fuzzyweed, someone reported it as offensive b/c it was 'drug-related' |
| 16:07.37 | Nandini | it's landscaping related too! |
| 16:08.06 | Coruss | Pkekyo: that's freaking awesome |
| 16:08.22 | Coruss | Nandini: lol |
| 16:09.02 | mort | we still have tons of legohlas, legholas, ... running around :( |
| 16:09.02 | Keya | Silowyi: i've got a Blacky on my server, but oc this being a german server, I guess they couldn't care less - I mean you can't take into account names that are offending in other languages, at least if it's not damn obvious |
| 16:09.41 | Nandini | so if i sent in a ticket saying "I saw a character named Coruss and it offends me, my brother died from an overdose of Coruss" they would make you change your name? |
| 16:09.53 | Pkekyo | Coruss: yes it is! :> |
| 16:10.01 | kergoth | Nandini: its also a pain in the ass if you're a developer, or even just a user trying to modify an addon.. the longer the reloadui time is, the longer the testing cycle :) |
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| 16:10.25 | Nandini | maybe i'm lucky to have a fast computer |
| 16:10.42 | Coruss | Nandini: probly, depends if they bothered to google 'coruss' and figure out it's nothing to do with drugs |
| 16:10.57 | Nandini | i also tend to disable all my other addons tho when i'm testing, unless it's a feature that has the potential to interfere or interact with another addon |
| 16:11.09 | Pkekyo | WTB Ironshield Potions and Elixirs of Brute Force |
| 16:11.24 | Nandini | Coruss: somehow i imagine the GMs are too lazy to do that and more eager to please the one person who complains |
| 16:11.53 | Coruss | Nandini: I imagine they have to give the nameholder a chance to defend it as well |
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| 16:12.44 | Nandini | it's nice that the PTR is open now, i can just test my addon there in a window while keeping my normal wow open fullscreen |
| 16:12.53 | Coruss | but ya, GMs are generally overworked and can't give each case the time they really need |
| 16:13.30 | dodga | Okay, what could be the reason, that I receive the "PONG" from AceComm via Whisper? |
| 16:13.48 | Nandini | maybe you're holding the paddle in the wrong hand? |
| 16:14.07 | dodga | I see |
| 16:14.14 | Nandini | wow i need sleep. lol |
| 16:14.20 | dodga | Let me double check on that |
| 16:14.33 | dodga | Nope, not the reason |
| 16:14.37 | dodga | Paddle is in the right hand |
| 16:15.21 | Nandini | the acecomm-2.0 tutorial and documentation are so sparse |
| 16:15.43 | Cryect | check archive.org |
| 16:15.48 | Nandini | if i want to figure out what's going on in a library i usually have to open it up and look for it myself |
| 16:15.51 | Cryect | you probably will find better documentation there |
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| 16:16.18 | Nandini | these pages appear to have been restored, but maybe there is info on their talk pages on archive.org |
| 16:17.04 | Nandini | they're restored, but not "fixed up", they are full of html and external links |
| 16:17.30 | Pkekyo | WTB Ironshield Potions and Elixirs of Brute Force |
| 16:17.48 | Cryect | ah yeah I see the only thing not restored was the serialization spec etc |
| 16:18.05 | Cryect | which is useful if you are curious how to encode your data for the smallest size |
| 16:21.14 | Nandini | if i ever figure out how all this stuff works, i WILL document it, i promise :) |
| 16:22.12 | Nandini | nothing irks me more than having convenient libraries used inefficiently or ineffectively because there is sparse documentation and few highlighted examples of best practices |
| 16:22.18 | Cryect | I hate writing documentation, wish I didn't since its so essential |
| 16:22.30 | Nandini | i love writing documentation, i even volunteered for it on the forums |
| 16:22.37 | Nandini | yes, i know, it's sick |
| 16:22.44 | Cryect | Heh I really need to work on GraphLib documentation |
| 16:23.11 | Nandini | YES because i wanted to use it on my first baby project but had such a hard time sifting through all the functions i wasn't sure what i needed out of all of it! :) |
| 16:23.42 | Cryect | I can explain it to anyone its pretty simple to use actually once you know the basic structure of what you do |
| 16:23.43 | Nandini | instead, i have to live with a boring /addon report to print my boring numbers into the boring chatbox |
| 16:24.06 | Nandini | which is okay, since what the addon does is pretty boring anyway. heheh |
| 16:24.08 | Cryect | did you look at the samples at the bottom of graph-1.0.lua :-p |
| 16:24.51 | Nandini | yup! but i had already given up on it because i realized graphs would not really make my project any more useful right now |
| 16:25.02 | Cryect | ah |
| 16:25.19 | Nandini | they would be nice eye candy, but i'll save that for later once i've figured out how to do all the rest of the stuff i want to do |
| 16:25.28 | nevcairiel | anyone else having login trouble on EU? |
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| 16:25.42 | Nandini | data first, graphs later! |
| 16:25.50 | Cryect | yes data is important |
| 16:26.38 | Nandini | i wasn't sure what it would all actually look like once i had started recording it, so i have a lot of stuff to analyze now and figure out what the most meaningful statistics would be from it |
| 16:26.55 | Tornhoof | fine here nev |
| 16:27.04 | dodga | Anyway, I think it could be because of SpyGnome, but I don't get it why the comm is not hidden :o |
| 16:27.08 | CIA-14 | 03yssaril * r46454 10YssGuildShop/ (5 files): |
| 16:27.08 | CIA-14 | YssGuildShop: |
| 16:27.08 | CIA-14 | - Should now be able to see other users data (in your guild) if they chose to share it |
| 16:27.20 | Nandini | (it's just latency tracked over a long period of time, kind of the opposite of the realtime graph used in recount) |
| 16:27.41 | Cryect | ah |
| 16:27.54 | Nandini | i figured it would be helpful for me in finding a server that is less laggy |
| 16:27.56 | Nandini | and it has! |
| 16:28.08 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r46455 10SnapshotBar/ (. SnapshotBar.lua SnapshotBar.toc): |
| 16:28.08 | CIA-14 | SnapshotBar: initial commit |
| 16:28.08 | CIA-14 | - Save and restore the position of your spells on your action bars |
| 16:28.11 | Cryect | you tracking data sent/received as well? |
| 16:28.39 | Nandini | yes just while sitting around in org, to give a general sense of the traffic generated by the part of the population that is there |
| 16:29.19 | Nandini | right now the data are just presented as a running average over all the samples taken |
| 16:29.32 | Nandini | but it would be more meaningful if i could display them based on time of day, for example |
| 16:29.48 | Nandini | since some samples were taken during times i wouldn't normally play, and in areas i don't normally spend much time in |
| 16:30.17 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r46456 10SnapshotBar/: |
| 16:30.18 | CIA-14 | SnapshotBar: |
| 16:30.18 | CIA-14 | - setting up externals |
| 16:30.52 | Nandini | but rather than doing it in Lua/Ace2, i just took all my data, dumped it in sql server, and ran a few aggregate queries |
| 16:31.08 | Silowyi | is there an easy way to tell the difference between a spell and a combat ability wre log parsing/combat events |
| 16:31.23 | Silowyi | for example... Faerie Fire vs Mangle (Cat) |
| 16:31.24 | Nandini | all combat abilities are "spells" aren't they? |
| 16:31.29 | Silowyi | yeah... |
| 16:31.34 | Silowyi | that's the problem I'm running into |
| 16:31.49 | Silowyi | trying to figure out how to differentiate in some manner besides building huge tables |
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| 16:32.01 | Nandini | what exactly do you think should be a spell and what should be a combat ability? |
| 16:32.12 | Fisker- | QQ |
| 16:32.18 | Fisker- | my computer got pwnt |
| 16:32.42 | Nandini | how is mangle not a spell when it applies a debuff to the target, just like faerie fire does? |
| 16:33.02 | Mikk | i fail to see the point in differentiating them o.O |
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| 16:33.46 | Silowyi | because mangle's combat table is different than faerie fire |
| 16:34.11 | Nandini | you want to differentiate between physical and magic-school attacks then |
| 16:34.18 | Silowyi | mangle is block, miss, parry, dodge, crit, etc... faerie fire is spell miss, resist, hit (binary). |
| 16:34.21 | Silowyi | yes |
| 16:34.34 | Nandini | combat log parsers can tell you the type of damage that is being done |
| 16:34.39 | CIA-14 | 03yssaril * r46457 10YssGuildShop/YssGuildShop.lua: |
| 16:34.39 | CIA-14 | YssGuildShop: |
| 16:34.39 | CIA-14 | - removed debug spam |
| 16:35.04 | Silowyi | Yes but that doesn't help with debuffs that don't do damage. |
| 16:35.46 | Silowyi | Which appear to parse the same as physical damage. |
| 16:36.03 | Nandini | can you get the school info from a spellbook scan? |
| 16:36.41 | Silowyi | Interesting question, but I'm not sure how I would since that information isn't in the tooltips. |
| 16:37.01 | Silowyi | hmm, I wonder |
| 16:37.16 | Nandini | sounds like you need to scrape wowhead and get all the info they have extracted from the game tables |
| 16:37.21 | Silowyi | !api GetSkillDetails |
| 16:37.22 | ThraeBot | Silowyi: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSkillDetails |
| 16:37.26 | Silowyi | !api GetSkillInfo |
| 16:37.29 | ThraeBot | Silowyi: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSkillInfo |
| 16:37.30 | Silowyi | !api GetSkillHeader |
| 16:37.31 | ThraeBot | Silowyi: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSkillHeader |
| 16:37.33 | Silowyi | damnit |
| 16:37.37 | Silowyi | wtf is that api call |
| 16:37.52 | Nandini | spelldetails perhaps? |
| 16:38.00 | Mikk | it's quite possible that the api exists |
| 16:38.01 | Nandini | all "skills" are technically spells |
| 16:38.05 | Mikk | but the page doesn't |
| 16:38.11 | Mikk | go look at http://www.wowwiki.com/api instead |
| 16:38.51 | Silowyi | GetSkillLineInfo... |
| 16:39.17 | Nandini | skills are the things liked in the skill page |
| 16:39.32 | Silowyi | hmm you're right >.> |
| 16:39.34 | Nandini | like weapon skill/defense skill/armor proficiency/riding skill/fishing |
| 16:40.08 | Nandini | http://www.wowwiki.com/Api#Spell_Functions doesn't seem to have anything to give you details about a particular spell |
| 16:41.49 | Cryect | isn't the function a gametooltip function? |
| 16:42.03 | Cryect | oh wait |
| 16:42.04 | Nandini | i don't think that will give him the spell school information he wants |
| 16:42.09 | Cryect | he's asking abotu physical etc damage |
| 16:42.24 | Nandini | i'd say scrape wowhead for spells that do dmg in the physical school |
| 16:42.24 | Cryect | UI doesn't provide that info as far as I can tell |
| 16:42.42 | Silowyi | I wonder if checking spell range would work |
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| 16:42.54 | Cryect | spell range for what? |
| 16:43.24 | Silowyi | a.k.a. spells with a range of what, 5 yards, should be physical damage. |
| 16:43.24 | Nandini | some spells with a 5 yard range don't do just physical dmg |
| 16:43.24 | Cryect | Paladin spells |
| 16:43.25 | Cryect | judgements etc are all holy |
| 16:43.30 | Silowyi | good point |
| 16:43.34 | Silowyi | also howl of terror |
| 16:43.35 | Cryect | and I'm sure there is more |
| 16:43.38 | Silowyi | no wait |
| 16:43.42 | Silowyi | that's unranged. |
| 16:43.59 | Silowyi | bleh |
| 16:44.00 | Nandini | many hunter spells DO do physical damage outside melee range tho |
| 16:44.11 | Silowyi | I'll just go back to my original idea of allowing spells to be filtered XD |
| 16:45.05 | Nandini | create a library, borrowing from conventions in babblespell, and populate it with data on spell schools, ranges, talented options, etc. |
| 16:45.22 | Nandini | give it a function to return the type of info you need |
| 16:45.40 | Nandini | then you have the joy of keeping it updated with almost every patch and hotfix |
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| 16:47.06 | Nandini | http://www.wowhead.com/?spells=7&filter=sc=0 is all class spells that contain a physical damage component |
| 16:48.06 | Cryect | I would just write my own parser of spell.dbc |
| 16:48.11 | Cryect | to create a lua file |
| 16:48.16 | Cryect | easier than parsing wowhead |
| 16:48.42 | Nandini | true, and you know when a patch comes out that you have perfect updated data ready for you immediately |
| 16:49.07 | Nandini | you don't have to wait for wowhead or another site to assimilate it, or to try and guess at it from patch notes |
| 16:50.32 | Silowyi | k |
| 16:50.38 | Silowyi | here's another question, should be easier I hope |
| 16:50.53 | Silowyi | nvm, figured it out |
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| 16:51.47 | Cryect | must have been easier :-p |
| 16:54.10 | CIA-14 | 03jncl * r46458 10Skinner/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:54.10 | CIA-14 | Skinner: Skinned Grid Layout Frame |
| 16:54.11 | CIA-14 | - updated XRS skin |
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| 16:55.12 | Xinhuan | when i visit |
| 16:55.14 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowwiki.com/Arcanist_Doan |
| 16:55.17 | Xinhuan | i get an error |
| 16:55.22 | Xinhuan | what does that error mean? |
| 16:55.42 | nevcairiel | i dont get any error, so it means that your client sucks |
| 16:55.43 | xyu | works for me |
| 16:55.47 | Xinhuan | weird |
| 16:55.53 | Nandini | i have no error either |
| 16:55.58 | Xinhuan | While trying to retrieve the URL: http://www.wowwiki.com/Arcanist_Doan |
| 16:55.58 | Xinhuan | The following error was encountered: |
| 16:55.58 | Xinhuan | * Valid document was not found in the cache and only-if-cached directive was specified. |
| 16:56.00 | xyu | mei you |
| 16:56.04 | Xinhuan | You have issued a request with a only-if-cached cache control directive. The document was not found in the cache, or it required revalidation prohibited by only-if-cached directive. |
| 16:56.08 | Xinhuan | that's the error i got |
| 16:56.15 | xyu | hey can anyone send me their PT3bar settings? :P |
| 16:56.17 | nevcairiel | prolly your transparent proxy |
| 16:56.47 | Xinhuan | appears that if i type in the address directly, i can view it |
| 16:56.56 | Xinhuan | but if i go to it from another link, it doesn't work |
| 16:56.58 | Xinhuan | o_O |
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| 17:02.20 | Awaa | !c eu al'akir awaa |
| 17:02.22 | ThraeBot | Awaa: Awaa, Level 70 Undead Priest (23/38/0). 7171 HP; 10365 Mana; 410 mana regen; 124 mp5; 122 +spell dmg; 1795 +heal; 5.7% dodge; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 724 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ywbwm4 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/38qhtj ]] |
| 17:02.59 | Awaa | "TBR: 724" ? |
| 17:03.01 | xyu | I'm sorry, i've asked this in here before, but what's a good alternative to notepad for editing LUA files and keeping the format. someone gave me an excellent and easy program before and i've since formatted and forgotten then name |
| 17:03.17 | Awaa | notepad++ |
| 17:03.33 | xyu | oki, thanks. ^^ |
| 17:03.37 | xyu | simple enough :P |
| 17:03.42 | Nandini | i've been using LuaEdit, even tho it crashes when it fails validation |
| 17:03.51 | Nandini | mostly i use it to test my table structures tho |
| 17:04.03 | Nandini | just to make sure i haven't left out a comma or } somewhere |
| 17:06.21 | CIA-14 | 03jaslaughter * r46459 10Baggins_Search/ (Baggins_Search.lua Baggins_Search.toc): |
| 17:06.21 | CIA-14 | Baggins_Search: |
| 17:06.21 | CIA-14 | + Ctrl-clicking the editbox will also clear the search |
| 17:06.21 | CIA-14 | + Added option under Search Item Fade in Baggins menu to change alpha of unmatched items |
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| 17:09.47 | Fisker- | sylvanaar |
| 17:09.49 | Fisker- | i has an idea |
| 17:10.47 | xyu | anyone know if sanity2 has a way to "replace" your bank? like baggins does. it seems that when i use sanity i still need to use my default bank |
| 17:11.21 | Fisker- | arkinventory does banking as well |
| 17:11.32 | Fisker- | although at this point i prefer onebank and onebag |
| 17:11.44 | Fisker- | as Sanity is not very much developed at this point and because arkinventory sucks |
| 17:12.10 | Nandini | it's hard for me to get used to onebank/bag/ring, but it's getting easier |
| 17:12.50 | xyu | yeah i used to use that, but i am a huge packrat |
| 17:12.50 | Nandini | i still miss having actual bags sometimes tho |
| 17:12.55 | xyu | and i have all sorts of junk in my 20 slot bags |
| 17:13.03 | xyu | junk from level 50's and stuff |
| 17:13.07 | xyu | so i need that search |
| 17:13.35 | Nandini | yeah i usually carry around 2 full sets of gear (18 items each) plus some extra pvp stuff |
| 17:13.55 | Nandini | and half a dozen trinkets |
| 17:13.55 | xyu | but now that it looks like baggins has a search, maybe i will go back to using that, as it does replace the default bank |
| 17:14.37 | xyu | i just like not having to look for things in sanity. as a mage i can just type "conjure" and it brings up only the food i make for the raid |
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| 17:14.46 | xyu | instead of finding where it got stuck in my messy bags |
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| 17:15.06 | Nandini | my bags are always well organized, there just also mostly full |
| 17:15.11 | Fisker- | http://www.developersdevelopersdevelopers.dk/winrarofbags.jpg <-it's np l2p |
| 17:15.12 | Fisker- | :P |
| 17:15.28 | JASlaughter | Xyu I've made Baggins_Search work like that, just type conjure and the conjured items will highlight |
| 17:15.30 | xyu | wow get more mana pots |
| 17:15.31 | xyu | hah |
| 17:15.43 | xyu | awesome, i'll check that out then ^^ |
| 17:16.03 | NeoTron | or you could just make a baggings section for conjured items.. |
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| 17:16.10 | xyu | i tried |
| 17:16.11 | Fisker- | someone make OneSearch then :O |
| 17:16.14 | xyu | i suck at making baggins items |
| 17:16.20 | xyu | Another reason i went to sanity |
| 17:16.27 | JoshBorke | Fisker-: gd you're rich |
| 17:16.28 | xyu | i tried so hard to make a "BoE" equipment section |
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| 17:16.35 | xyu | because 'm an enchanter |
| 17:16.44 | xyu | and everything looked perfect, it just wouldn't show up :( |
| 17:16.54 | Fisker- | It helped to buy some 400 Primal Shadows back when the price were ~50s each |
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| 17:17.19 | JoshBorke | they were never 50s on my server =/ |
| 17:17.41 | Fisker- | I bought so much primal shadow that it stayed in a 10-20G range up until the patch :P |
| 17:17.44 | Nandini | they were about 1g50 on my server, strangely they still haven't gotten any higher than 5g |
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| 17:17.49 | xyu | Fisker-: what buff addon is that? |
| 17:17.56 | Fisker- | buffalo2 |
| 17:17.58 | xyu | that says the little name above it |
| 17:18.00 | xyu | oki |
| 17:19.47 | CIA-14 | 03jaslaughter * r46460 10Baggins_Search/Baggins_Search.lua: Baggins_Search: -Okay now the ctrl-click clear actually works (oops) |
| 17:19.55 | Cryect | is buffalo 2 not so buggy now a days? |
| 17:20.07 | Fisker- | still haves problem with showing the right buffs |
| 17:20.19 | Cryect | k then sticking with buffalo :-p |
| 17:20.29 | Cryect | that annoyed the hell out of me |
| 17:21.08 | kergoth | hmm, i've never noticed that issue |
| 17:21.08 | kergoth | what's the problem? |
| 17:21.11 | Fisker- | it was actually fixed but for some reason it's back |
| 17:21.15 | Fisker- | it shows the wrong buff |
| 17:21.17 | Cryect | buffs will swap |
| 17:21.32 | Cryect | was a problem when I goto right click like slav |
| 17:21.37 | Cryect | I would right click off something I wanted |
| 17:21.44 | xyu | flask! :D |
| 17:21.49 | kergoth | interesting |
| 17:21.50 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 17:21.53 | charon | weird. i noticed the same thing with pitbull party frames yesterday, perhaps it's some weird deeper issue? |
| 17:22.00 | Fisker- | i almost did that once |
| 17:22.13 | kergoth | modified the blizzard containers to have abbrev's like the sandbox container |
| 17:22.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:22.19 | Fisker- | then i figured "heeeey that blessing isn't supposed to last for a bit over an hour" |
| 17:22.24 | charon | (it had the flying mount and prayer of fort buffs swapped for a party member) |
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| 17:23.13 | charon | by swapped i mean, the tooltips were the other way round than the icons |
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| 17:24.04 | Cryect | tooltips are correct just the icons were wrong |
| 17:24.45 | Ominous | anyone use the geforce 8600 here, if so is it any good also does it make any difference which company you get it from like inno3D/PNY |
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| 17:25.03 | JoshBorke | i heard 7900 is better than 8600 |
| 17:25.12 | JoshBorke | and the dx10 on the 8600 is obsolete |
| 17:25.21 | Ominous | how come? |
| 17:25.26 | Cryect | MS said so |
| 17:25.33 | Cryect | there is a new 10.1 standard |
| 17:25.36 | Cryect | that no current cards meet |
| 17:25.36 | Fisker- | so? |
| 17:25.47 | deltron | my 8600gts is ok :P |
| 17:25.57 | Fisker- | You mean the same way like there was a new DX10 standard that no current cards met? |
| 17:26.04 | Cryect | 8600 isn't even fast enough to take advantage of dx10 |
| 17:26.05 | xyu | JASlaughter: how do i use the search? heh |
| 17:26.09 | deltron | well |
| 17:26.16 | xyu | n/m |
| 17:26.17 | xyu | i see it |
| 17:26.19 | Shadowed| | JoshBorke, it is I went from a 8600 Gt -> 7900 |
| 17:26.21 | Fisker- | And the same way there were a new DX9.0c standard that no current cards met? |
| 17:26.22 | Fisker- | and so forth |
| 17:26.25 | durcyn | except 10.1 is completely pointless |
| 17:26.30 | JoshBorke | Shadowed|: i know, now go away |
| 17:26.33 | durcyn | and will only fracture an already immature market |
| 17:26.35 | Cryect | 10.1 is just standarizing video cards is all |
| 17:26.43 | Shadowed| | the 8600 isn't that bad of a card anyway |
| 17:26.51 | Fisker- | the DX10.1 news are just fud |
| 17:26.52 | durcyn | thanks for pulling the trigger on that gun you had pointed at your foot, microsoft! hope OpenGL gains market share now |
| 17:26.58 | xyu | JASlaughter: is there a way to search for Bind on Equip? |
| 17:27.07 | Fisker- | as much as i hate the whole DX10 ordeal this is just bullshit |
| 17:27.11 | Saint-N | im gonna stop gaming the day that my video card can't physically handle a game |
| 17:27.33 | JASlaughter | xyu: not atm, just a simple substring search for now, searching name, itemType, and itemSubType |
| 17:27.42 | Saint-N | opengl already has a nice market share thanks to the linux nerds |
| 17:27.57 | Saint-N | thats gaining ground too |
| 17:28.06 | Saint-N | JASlaughter: go make minigroup!!! |
| 17:28.10 | Saint-N | i demand it |
| 17:28.18 | Saint-N | i miss single boxed party frames |
| 17:28.18 | JASlaughter | Mainly it's for simple searches like when I can't find a quest item my chatlog swears I just received. (and I use ag_UnitFrames :P) |
| 17:28.46 | Saint-N | i dont care what you use ;) *I* demand YOU make ME minigroup thats compatible ;) |
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| 17:29.02 | Saint-N | heh |
| 17:29.05 | Cheads | 7900gxt is faster than 8600gt ..dx9 obviously |
| 17:29.07 | JASlaughter | :O |
| 17:29.28 | Cheads | 8600gt is dead cheap, not that much slower either |
| 17:30.07 | Shadowed| | probably down to 100$ now |
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| 17:32.02 | Iceroth | am i the only one having problems with immediate fade on world objects in cowtip with bodies? |
| 17:33.29 | Iceroth | as in, it's not fading immediately even though i set the option |
| 17:33.40 | Iceroth | other world objects do make it fade out fast though |
| 17:37.42 | Chompers | !c eu kul tiras archilles |
| 17:37.45 | ThraeBot | Chompers: Archilles, Level 70 Human Warrior (33/25/3). 12554 HP; 9780 Armour; 1518 AP; 239.7 Melee DPS; 33.27% melee crit; 61 melee hit; 6.39% dodge; 5% block; 314 resilience;[[ TBR: 981 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yobq35 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2jlg84 ]] |
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| 17:41.06 | Chompers | got an error using premade cart notes: |
| 17:41.08 | Chompers | \SavedVariables\Cartographer_Mining.lua:11853: attempt to index global 'Cartographer_Data' (a nil value) |
| 17:42.34 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather nosleep |
| 17:42.37 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Nosleep, Level 70 Troll Priest (20/41/0). 5761 HP; 8445 Mana; 322 mana regen; 157 mp5; 69 +spell dmg; 1839 +heal; 5.06% dodge;[[ TBR: 713 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/235fqj ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2vf5vz ]] |
| 17:44.04 | lolinternet | okay |
| 17:44.08 | lolinternet | who broke my old WAU? |
| 17:44.18 | Hjalte | Is anyone else having problems with the "hide join/leave messages" function in Prat? |
| 17:44.58 | sag_ich_nicht | stuck at |
| 17:44.58 | sag_ich_nicht | Bypassing Cache, Reloading index from http://files.wowace.com/ |
| 17:45.07 | sag_ich_nicht | not able to get index from the looks of it |
| 17:45.10 | sag_ich_nicht | what did you do? D: |
| 17:45.17 | sag_ich_nicht | woah |
| 17:45.42 | sag_ich_nicht | ping timeout it seems D: |
| 17:46.30 | Yssaril | mine isn't working either |
| 17:47.03 | Saint-N | let's all try and bag the machine! |
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| 17:49.10 | sag_ich_nicht | WoWAceUpdater index file retrieving fails, getting a ping timeout, ckknight or anyone else feel a need to fix it? :P |
| 17:49.42 | durcyn | that'd be kaelten, not ckknight. files.wowace.com itself is wonky. |
| 17:49.59 | durcyn | 'wonky' is the technical term, fyi |
| 17:50.03 | sag_ich_nicht | durcyn kaelten isn't here tho. |
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| 17:50.49 | sag_ich_nicht | else i'd bitch to him and not ckknight >.> |
| 17:51.02 | durcyn | be that as it may, ck doesn't manage the wowace.com infrastructure. |
| 17:51.24 | CIA-14 | 03jncl * r46461 10Skinner/UIElements2.lua: Skinner: PTR update |
| 17:51.37 | sag_ich_nicht | true, but he might have ways of contacting kaelten, which i do not(and which is probably also better that way) :P |
| 17:51.51 | sag_ich_nicht | also please see my "or someone else" addition :P |
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| 17:53.10 | daemoen | hey guys |
| 17:55.10 | daemoen | friend is using the following mods and is getting 10 fps max (with 1.2Gig ram and a geforce 6150). auctioneer, ctmod, deadlybossmods, naturenemycastbar, omen, and titan panel |
| 17:55.26 | daemoen | anyone have any suggestions on which to replace and what with? Already plan on having her scrap tp for fubar |
| 17:55.30 | Nandini | what does he get with those diabled? |
| 17:55.34 | durcyn | well, the only one of those taht doesn't suck total ass is omen |
| 17:55.39 | durcyn | that, rather |
| 17:55.53 | Nandini | how much room for improvement is there, basically? |
| 17:56.15 | daemoen | Nandini, it makes NO sense that her fps is so damned low with that setup |
| 17:56.29 | Nandini | yes, so exactly what fps does she get with no addons enabled? |
| 17:56.35 | daemoen | my laptop has worse stats than that and my fps blow hers out of the water, and i have a HELLUVA lot of mods |
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| 17:57.00 | Nandini | it would make sense to disable them all, get a baseline, then enable them one at a time to figure out which is the most problematic |
| 17:57.08 | pastamancer | tell her to turn off the anti-virus running in the background |
| 17:57.09 | Nandini | then focus on replacing that one first |
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| 17:58.11 | Nandini | has she perhaps selected graphics settings that are possible, yet not optimal for her 6150? |
| 17:58.46 | daemoen | 1024x768 should be easy on her card |
| 17:58.52 | durcyn | i'd expect that system to be CPU-bound |
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| 17:59.34 | Nandini | somehow i doubt that any addons she has installed (especially ones as popular as those) are the culprits |
| 17:59.43 | sag_ich_nicht | yes. |
| 17:59.49 | sag_ich_nicht | i'd expect that system to be GPU bound and assume the details are up too high. |
| 18:00.05 | sag_ich_nicht | turn em down, a 6150 is pretty stripped down |
| 18:00.41 | Nandini | yup, turn everything all the way down, turn off mods, check new fps |
| 18:00.55 | phyber | why was the "set all tabs" option removed from the 'Tabs' options in Prat? |
| 18:01.05 | Nandini | turn graphics options up one at a time, check fps, see what is tolerable |
| 18:02.06 | Nandini | i find that even tho my video card can handle everything fine cranked all the way up and still give about 45 fps, the experience is better in the end if i turn down some options |
| 18:02.24 | Nandini | and that's at 2560x1024 |
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| 18:02.47 | Mudkipz | what kind of res is that |
| 18:02.56 | Nandini | dual monitor 1280x1024 combined |
| 18:03.15 | Nandini | i limit the viewport to the left monitor |
| 18:03.24 | Nandini | which ups my fps to about 60 |
| 18:03.36 | sag_ich_nicht | well that kind of halfs it to 1280x1024 for rendering work :P |
| 18:04.07 | Mudkipz | so using viewports helps fps? |
| 18:04.16 | Nandini | YES, immensely |
| 18:04.35 | Chompers | Violation-1.0.46157\Violation.lua:1951: AceComm-2.0: Argument #3 to `SendCommMessage' must be a non-zero-length string |
| 18:04.42 | yacoob | click *here* to order Blizzard-approved viewports set, customized for your PC, NOW! |
| 18:04.45 | yacoob | *grin* |
| 18:05.10 | Nandini | taking 20% off the bottom of your viewport won't increase your fps by exactly 20%, but it does speed up |
| 18:05.27 | Mudkipz | turning off some mods I dont need will probably help too |
| 18:05.32 | Nandini | just like taking 50% off my right side didn't double my fps, i did get about 30% more tho |
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| 18:05.35 | Mudkipz | but I've been using them for so long that its almost needed :( |
| 18:06.28 | Nandini | remember if you use any of the ace2 addons for viewports, they use screen-based and not pixel-based coordinates |
| 18:06.48 | Mudkipz | what's the diff ? |
| 18:06.48 | Nandini | it considers my 2580x1024 screen to really be 1920x768 |
| 18:07.42 | Nandini | it could be a limitation of wow that blizzard has hacked up to support bigger resolutions by re-scaling everything again before it's put on screen |
| 18:07.51 | Coruss | honestly I found the best way to increase FPS, especially in low VRAM environments is lowering the draw distance |
| 18:08.04 | CIA-14 | 03funkydude * r46462 10BigWigs/ (5 files in 3 dirs): BigWigs: remove BT and HS beta |
| 18:08.11 | Nandini | yup, i've lowered the terrain distance to half and lowered the terrain objects all the way down |
| 18:08.22 | Nandini | in most settings, you'll never notice a difference |
| 18:08.25 | Coruss | ya |
| 18:08.29 | yacoob | ...basically reducing your gaming to tic-tac-toe? :) |
| 18:08.42 | Nandini | the only time it's noticeable is when i'm flying around |
| 18:08.48 | yacoob | "Hm, this vile X is attacking me!" |
| 18:08.58 | Mudkipz | flying around is the one of the hardest hits on fps |
| 18:09.00 | Coruss | I was getting massive frame drops when I'd turn in nagrand cause my render distance was too far, turned it down two notches and bang, my fps never drops below 50 |
| 18:09.08 | Mudkipz | mostly in Shattrath busy hours |
| 18:09.30 | phyber | raiding = hardest fps hit. the time when you want it most :p |
| 18:09.40 | Mudkipz | raiding isn't too bad |
| 18:09.42 | Nandini | if you are looking out toward TF in shatt for example, turning the terrain distance down to half will stop it from rendering all those trees out there |
| 18:09.45 | Mudkipz | its much worse in shattrah for me |
| 18:09.50 | Mudkipz | i can't get over 10 fps in there moving around |
| 18:09.56 | Coruss | outdoor and huge player concentrations are the nasty fps situations |
| 18:10.15 | Coruss | most raids are indoor and not that bad on fps, they tend to use big rooms for bosses with good reason, it spreads people out |
| 18:10.21 | phyber | in the Morogrim fight, I have ~10FPS. 10FPS staring at some dudes ass with a few murlocs running about. |
| 18:10.22 | Nandini | it would be okay if all those players were boxy little cat druids with only 14 polygons :) |
| 18:10.23 | Mudkipz | seems servers are down? |
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| 18:10.33 | Mudkipz | realmlist says my server is up but I get stuck at connected |
| 18:10.40 | phyber | I can run Doom 3 in Ultra detail with all the settings on, but some giants ass slows my box down. |
| 18:10.51 | Nandini | my US server is up, people are moving around |
| 18:10.58 | Coruss | lol that seems odd phyber |
| 18:11.13 | Coruss | my fps usually goes up when I'm staring at somethings behind |
| 18:11.27 | Nandini | if she's pretty, other things go up too |
| 18:11.32 | Coruss | lol |
| 18:11.35 | Mudkipz | my system really takes a dump when I get hit or be near those fel fire cannons in blade's edge |
| 18:11.42 | Mudkipz | that green fire just eats me alive |
| 18:11.48 | Nandini | yeah i have that problem too |
| 18:11.56 | Nandini | you can lower spell detail when you're doing quests there, it helps |
| 18:12.10 | Mudkipz | that's true |
| 18:12.19 | Nandini | when i kill those demon dog things, i'm glad i'm a skinner and can skin that effect off the screen immediately |
| 18:12.20 | Mudkipz | I always jack it up for raiding though |
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| 18:12.28 | Nandini | if i let 2 or 3 of the bodies pile up things slow to a crawl |
| 18:12.28 | Mudkipz | can't miss those flamestrikes |
| 18:12.44 | Mudkipz | ah yeah the demon dogs >_< |
| 18:12.53 | phyber | I get about 50fps flying around blades edge with draw distance on max. |
| 18:13.06 | phyber | setting it to half gives 55fps. |
| 18:13.12 | Nandini | with cannons shooting at you and glowing green dogs underneath you? |
| 18:13.13 | Mudkipz | well thats lame... I can log on other servers but not dark iron |
| 18:14.04 | Nandini | i just find it odd how even with more characters around to render, my fps is still twice as high running around orgrimmar as it is anywhere in outland |
| 18:14.32 | Nandini | was blizzard just more judicious in modeling and texturing 3 years ago? |
| 18:14.41 | pastamancer | for anyone that was having problems with files, it should be behaving better now |
| 18:14.54 | Nandini | LOL i read that as "having problems with flies" |
| 18:15.04 | phyber | i think there are invisible walls everywhere that are being rendered with some transparent textures that take ages to render, even though you can't see them. |
| 18:15.15 | phyber | sometimes flying down to the Netherwing Ledge, you can clip off them |
| 18:15.15 | pastamancer | Nandini: you win jeff goldblum and a teleporter |
| 18:15.39 | phyber | makes your mount straighten up, annoying since you have to point it down again. |
| 18:15.55 | Nandini | woohoo! now i can put him inside one with some spaghetti and meatballs and see if god comes out in the other pod! |
| 18:17.07 | Nandini | what quirky online rpg was that that had the pastamancer character btw? i played it for a while and it was hillarious |
| 18:18.41 | Nandini | kingdom of something-or-other |
| 18:19.54 | pastamancer | loathing |
| 18:21.42 | Nandini | YES! it always made me smile |
| 18:22.02 | Nandini | noodlecraft :) |
| 18:24.57 | Mudkipz | man this game looks awesome on high terrain distance :( |
| 18:25.00 | Mudkipz | wtb new computer |
| 18:26.13 | Nandini | i think i just need a new video card |
| 18:26.13 | Pkekyo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xfqkdh5Js4 gotta love it! |
| 18:26.31 | Mudkipz | I need a new everything haha |
| 18:26.37 | Nandini | i got a dinky card when i got the computer because i intended to replace it, i just never did |
| 18:27.16 | Mudkipz | what is it? |
| 18:27.37 | Nandini | dell xps 600 |
| 18:27.45 | Mudkipz | that's the name of the card? |
| 18:28.01 | Nandini | 6800 |
| 18:28.04 | Nandini | geForce |
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| 18:28.29 | Nandini | i should get a pair of dual-sli cards, i think this system supports it |
| 18:28.50 | Nandini | not sure if that would have any noticeable effect in-game tho |
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| 18:30.23 | Mudkipz | I've always wondered what part bottlenecks on WoW |
| 18:30.37 | Mudkipz | if you could make a system upgrade, what would best increase performance |
| 18:30.48 | Mudkipz | most people agree that it's RAM |
| 18:31.24 | Nandini | wow usually uses 400-500m on my system |
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| 18:31.36 | Nandini | but i have 2GB of ram, so that's not an issue |
| 18:31.43 | JoshBorke | speed of ram |
| 18:31.56 | Fisker- | http://stage6.divx.com/user/kalkan/video/1520342/BioShock-demo-gameplay <-seems to be made of UE3 and win |
| 18:32.13 | Nandini | and my processor usage rarely goes about 70%, so it could be pushed harder, so i'm guessing i need a faster gpu |
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| 18:35.38 | dodga | wtf, when I do /combatlog I don't get listed in the resulting log? :D |
| 18:36.33 | CIA-14 | 03jaslaughter * r46463 10Baggins_Search/Baggins_Search.lua: Baggins_Search: -Highlights now properly update if items change while bags are open. |
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| 18:38.00 | Nandini | maybe i'll have to splurge on a pair of 8800 ultras |
| 18:38.13 | Nandini | i think i could buy a couple new computers for that price tho. lol |
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| 18:41.14 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46464 10Relog/ (parse.lua units.lua): Relog - Implements a cache on log retrieval (since it has to create the table thats returned from multiple) |
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| 18:42.59 | RaydenUnicyclist | how well do you need to be geared to run KZ with any success? |
| 18:43.28 | Shadowed| | how stupid are the people you're running it with |
| 18:43.28 | Nandini | the first half of the kara bosses are tuned for the same equipment level as heroics |
| 18:43.30 | Cryect | don't need to be very well geared, we cleared it in full T3 |
| 18:43.39 | Nandini | they just require a bit more cooperation and strategy |
| 18:43.53 | Cryect | and that was before various boss nerfs, it really depends on players |
| 18:45.30 | dodga | Anybody using WWS or /combatlog? I find it odd, that my actions don't appear in the log file :\ |
| 18:45.47 | Nandini | i don't, sorry dodga |
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| 18:46.10 | Nandini | it really annoys me that all these online retailers hype their prices with mail-in rebates |
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| 18:46.23 | Nandini | why the hell do i need to fill out a form, mail it, and wait 6 to 8 weeks? |
| 18:46.39 | Cryect | brick and mortar stores do the same shit |
| 18:47.18 | Nandini | yeah i can KIND OF understand it for them, but why do online retailers do this? |
| 18:47.19 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.29 | Nandini | they must bank on the fact that half the people who buy it will not bother to follow up sending in the rebate form |
| 18:47.33 | NeoTron | they get 6-8 weeks of having the refund money in an interest bearing account I gather |
| 18:47.50 | NeoTron | plus half the time the actual rebates don't come from the retailer but the manufacturer |
| 18:47.58 | Nandini | yeah this is a manufacturer rebate |
| 18:48.05 | RaydenUni | <Cryect> don't need to be very well geared, we cleared it in full T3 <-- i'm asking because my guild is pretty casual and haven't done any raiding before. i don't know that anyone has full set3 and a few are recent 70's |
| 18:48.07 | NeoTron | and yes, a lot of people don't end up sending the form... |
| 18:48.16 | RaydenUni | !c |
| 18:48.17 | Nandini | imagine if grocery stores required you to send your coupons in to the manufacturer to get your 30 cents back though |
| 18:48.30 | RaydenUni | what's the command to bring up your character info? |
| 18:48.39 | NeoTron | difference on scale there |
| 18:48.43 | Nandini | it's c! us|eu server player |
| 18:48.47 | Cryect | Quest Rewards are basically equiv to T3 as long sa the player knows whats good rewards |
| 18:49.04 | Nandini | quest rewards are infinitely better for feral druids :) |
| 18:49.07 | Chompers | SSC trash sucks so much |
| 18:49.10 | Cryect | yes thats for sure :-p |
| 18:49.15 | RaydenUni | c! us destromath raydenuni |
| 18:49.17 | Chompers | we loose 3/4 of the raid every group :/ |
| 18:49.21 | Cryect | but I'm saying in general :-p |
| 18:49.26 | RaydenUni | !c us destromath raydenuni |
| 18:49.29 | ThraeBot | RaydenUni: Raydenuni, Level 70 Troll Priest (11/2/46). 7041 HP; 7710 Mana; 158 mana regen; 9 mp5; 125 spell crit; 29 spell hit; 431 +spell dmg/heal; 39 shadow dmg (470); 4.86% dodge; +3 all resists;[[ TBR: 767 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2ye5pn ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2tnsum ]] |
| 18:49.51 | Chompers | does anyone else have these problems? |
| 18:49.52 | Chompers | or just us |
| 18:49.57 | Cryect | just you |
| 18:50.08 | Nandini | everyone bitches about it, most raiding guild members just suck it up tho and keep going |
| 18:50.18 | RaydenUni | Cryect quest rewards mostly from netherstorm and shadowmoon? |
| 18:50.24 | Cryect | Haven't had that happen since the original trash before the nerfs when everything one shotted clothies :-p |
| 18:50.44 | Cryect | for some reason some quest rewards from HFP are better than anything you get from elsewhere >_> |
| 18:50.52 | Cryect | Like for cloth chestpiece |
| 18:51.15 | Nandini | yeah there's a level 62 quest leather chest that is awesome for feral druids all the way to level 70 |
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| 18:51.26 | Nandini | and then it's only replaceable with a crafted blue or t4 |
| 18:51.33 | Cryect | oh I should say quest rewards suck for healing/tanking till netherstorm/smv |
| 18:52.24 | Nandini | if someone knows their class well, they can easily build the equivalent of the t3 set from quest rewards and crafted items |
| 18:52.41 | Nandini | they just won't get the set bonuses, assuming those are any good to start out with |
| 18:52.44 | RaydenUni | which quest gives the cloth chest from HFP? |
| 18:53.05 | Cryect | Hmm the Drillmaster cloth chest is good |
| 18:53.14 | Cryect | think it was Drilling the Drillmaster |
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| 18:53.54 | RaydenUni | Drill the Drillmaster |
| 18:54.04 | RaydenUni | oh i got that |
| 18:54.44 | RaydenUni | i guess what i have now is only slightly better |
| 18:56.05 | Cryect | yeah thre is better lvl 70 blues from dungeons but they aren't much better |
| 18:56.10 | Cryect | they made the blues in HFP too good |
| 18:56.27 | Cryect | Sucked when I was looking for easy quest upgrades for my mage and I'm like wth |
| 18:57.28 | RaydenUni | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30928 <-- like i said "slightly" better |
| 18:57.30 | Cryect | Get Frozen Shadoweave for sure |
| 18:57.57 | RaydenUni | yeah i know the tailor stuff is good |
| 18:58.08 | RaydenUni | not there yet though |
| 18:58.14 | Cryect | Do the ring quests in Nagrand |
| 18:58.23 | Cryect | you will get a staff a lot better than that main hand + offhand |
| 18:58.34 | Cryect | or actually should do the nexus king quest for that staff |
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| 18:59.32 | dodga | rofl, I'm such a noob :D |
| 18:59.41 | RaydenUni | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Destromath&n=Raydenuni <-- i have a decent dagger/book combo right now i think |
| 19:00.16 | RaydenUni | oh that is a good staff |
| 19:00.24 | Cryect | Not really you would gain like 70 more dmg and bunch crit or so |
| 19:00.25 | RaydenUni | i haven't done much in blade's edge |
| 19:00.31 | Cryect | or whatever it is |
| 19:00.31 | Silviu- | Funkeh` bt map pls ? ;p |
| 19:00.35 | Cryect | its in Nagrand :-p |
| 19:00.50 | RaydenUni | i think i did all the ring quests in nagrand |
| 19:00.57 | RaydenUni | most of the are+healing i think |
| 19:01.20 | RaydenUni | or i made a mistake |
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| 19:02.07 | Cryect | I mean the one where you fight like 6 elite mobs in a row |
| 19:02.18 | Cryect | and the end quest rewards are really good weapons |
| 19:02.49 | Cryect | get a ton of potions also |
| 19:03.01 | RaydenUni | hmm |
| 19:03.34 | Megalon | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=ring%20of%20blood |
| 19:03.57 | RaydenUni | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:The_Ring_of_Blood:_Brokentoe |
| 19:04.28 | RaydenUni | i think the staff gives less +spell than what i got |
| 19:04.45 | Nandini | i think you get about 100g too from killing all 6 of em |
| 19:05.23 | JoshBorke | stats form the staff are better |
| 19:05.58 | Cryect | do this quest then http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10408 |
| 19:07.00 | daemoen | ok, got her up to 25 fps at least |
| 19:07.05 | daemoen | with her current addons even |
| 19:07.15 | daemoen | so, now its time to cut some of them for better ones |
| 19:07.18 | RaydenUni | yeah i found that one |
| 19:07.20 | daemoen | anyone have suggestions? |
| 19:07.21 | RaydenUni | good staff |
| 19:08.07 | Nandini | what does she get with all the addons disabled? |
| 19:08.22 | Nandini | ace2 isn't a magic bullet that automatically boosts your fps, you know |
| 19:08.47 | daemoen | lol, no, but the ace2 addons consume less memory ;) |
| 19:08.58 | JoshBorke | memory doesn't affect FPS |
| 19:09.01 | CIA-14 | 03yssaril * r46466 10YssGuildShop/ (. YssGuildShop.toc embeds.xml): |
| 19:09.01 | CIA-14 | YssGuildShop: |
| 19:09.01 | CIA-14 | - added ChatThrottlelib as external so AceComm won't get you DCed for sending to long of a message |
| 19:09.01 | daemoen | which in turn increases overall performance |
| 19:09.02 | CIA-14 | 03damjau * r46465 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/ (7 files): Prat: update koKR locals |
| 19:09.04 | daemoen | im aware of that JoshBorke |
| 19:09.14 | Amadeo | Memory can affect FPS |
| 19:09.21 | Nandini | with 1.2mb of memory she shouldn't have a bottleneck there |
| 19:09.30 | Amadeo | If you run out and you're paging, your FPS is gonna suffer because of it :P |
| 19:09.57 | Nandini | even when i leave wow running for 16 hours, i have never gone above 550MB usage |
| 19:09.59 | JoshBorke | Yssaril: AceComm embeds CTL |
| 19:10.29 | Amadeo | My WoW freezes if I leave it on any login type screen |
| 19:10.35 | Amadeo | yet plays the game fine |
| 19:10.59 | Nandini | so if she has 1.2 gigs of ram, she shouldn't be having paging issues unless she is running 20 other apps at the same time |
| 19:11.37 | Nandini | and you won't find a replacement for auctioneer, which is probably the biggest memory hog of any addon anyone uses, but no one can bear to part with |
| 19:11.41 | Shadowed| | Amadeo, 99% of the time it's nto an issue |
| 19:11.58 | Shadowed| | and the times it is, it's likely due to the fact that you're running a bunch of other apps or you're crazy and running 10 data gathering mods at the same time |
| 19:12.10 | Nandini | just have her disable it on her main char and only load auctioneer on alts |
| 19:12.11 | Amadeo | Shadowed|: I'm not speaking strictly WoW-related |
| 19:12.14 | Amadeo | just in general |
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| 19:12.52 | Shadowed| | josh was talking about WoW not an FPS game =p |
| 19:12.57 | RaydenUni | there should be a website that tells you all the good quest rewards for your class |
| 19:13.09 | Amadeo | You do lose some framerate as you add more UI elements and such |
| 19:13.10 | Nandini | there is for druids :) |
| 19:13.11 | Amadeo | but not much |
| 19:13.29 | Amadeo | maybe you lose more with older hardware, I dunno |
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| 19:13.55 | Nandini | the one thing she should just get rid of completely is necb |
| 19:14.14 | Shadowed| | If you're adding a new UI element, you're probably also adding new code to manage the element which would take more resources though |
| 19:14.16 | Nandini | it's likely she only uses 5-10% of its available options |
| 19:14.26 | RaydenUni | oh kalibans does have quests now |
| 19:15.13 | Nandini | i've never understood that site or why people idolize it so much |
| 19:15.23 | Amadeo | I was hoping NECB would time my Hunter traps and stuff, but it doesn't :( |
| 19:15.27 | ravagernl | raydenuni: wow-loot.com |
| 19:15.48 | Shadowed| | nadas wowhead? |
| 19:15.55 | Shadowed| | Nandini even |
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| 19:16.11 | Nandini | no i don't understand why ppl use kaliban's loot list |
| 19:16.36 | Nandini | i'm totally on the wagon with wowhead worship, just cuz it's so damn fast |
| 19:17.18 | RaydenUni | question about shadow priests: stamina vs spell crit? |
| 19:18.05 | JoshBorke | stam |
| 19:18.08 | JoshBorke | spell crit is useless |
| 19:18.25 | Nandini | spell hit till you're at the cap, then stam |
| 19:18.35 | Nandini | or +spell dmg |
| 19:18.47 | RaydenUni | i'm looking at spell dmg first |
| 19:18.54 | Nandini | as a shadow priest you don't even have that many abilities that crit do you? |
| 19:18.55 | RaydenUni | and i know crit isn't useful for much because of dots |
| 19:19.05 | RaydenUni | mind blast, mana burn, shadow word death |
| 19:19.11 | Shadowed| | mana burn can crit? |
| 19:19.14 | RaydenUni | i dunno |
| 19:19.17 | RaydenUni | it's an instant dmg |
| 19:19.20 | Shadowed| | only SW:D and MB last I checked |
| 19:19.38 | RaydenUni | maybe not |
| 19:19.45 | RaydenUni | but yeah MB and SWD aren't used that much |
| 19:19.52 | RaydenUni | not in dungeons at least |
| 19:20.14 | xyu | because they're invaluable for pvp |
| 19:20.18 | RaydenUni | yeah |
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| 19:20.36 | RaydenUni | i know stamina is important for warlocks, but i don't see it as too important for shadow priest |
| 19:21.00 | RaydenUni | Nandini kaliban's list is nice because all the stuff is organized for you |
| 19:21.10 | RaydenUni | item info does seem slow though |
| 19:21.13 | Nandini | kaliban's loot list shows THIS as an important drop for FERAL druids http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27896 |
| 19:21.15 | JoshBorke | spell dam > all |
| 19:21.20 | JoshBorke | spell crit < all |
| 19:21.30 | RaydenUni | what next after spell dmg? |
| 19:21.38 | JoshBorke | i focus on stam and int |
| 19:21.41 | RaydenUni | spell hit, int, MP5? |
| 19:21.47 | Nandini | spell dmg, then go for stam till you can hit about 8k self buffed |
| 19:21.54 | Nandini | then spell hit till you get to the cap |
| 19:22.05 | JoshBorke | you can never have enough spell dam |
| 19:22.17 | RaydenUni | why all the stamina? just so you can take a hit in a dungeon without dying? |
| 19:22.18 | Nandini | in raids you will have plenty of options for getting mana back |
| 19:22.25 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 19:22.31 | JoshBorke | and so you don't kill yourself when you SW:D |
| 19:22.49 | Nandini | imagine using SW:D on curator during and evocate and having it backfire |
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| 19:23.24 | RaydenUni | what would evocate do? |
| 19:23.33 | Hjalte | Nandini, tons of s-priests have done that in my guild ;) |
| 19:23.37 | Nandini | it's a phase he does where you do double damage |
| 19:23.41 | RaydenUni | oh right |
| 19:23.46 | xyu | it is vulnerable during evo |
| 19:23.46 | xyu | yea |
| 19:23.56 | RaydenUni | wouldn't the solution be to not SWD him? |
| 19:23.59 | RaydenUni | :P |
| 19:24.02 | Nandini | so if that double damage backfires on you (especially if you crit) you could be dead |
| 19:24.11 | Nandini | yes, SW:D is not recommended on curator during evocate phases :) |
| 19:24.31 | Nandini | it's always fun to watch tho :) |
| 19:24.44 | Nandini | priest goes from full health to zero instantly |
| 19:25.04 | Nandini | in a phase where the boss itself is not attacking anyone, he just sits there and lets you pound on him |
| 19:25.15 | Nandini | so even the healers are tossing on a couple spells |
| 19:25.26 | omega | man, I miss some decent "I want to view the items of my alts" addon |
| 19:25.40 | Nandini | there are about 6 to choose from |
| 19:25.41 | Coruss | that is of course, granted that the group has enough dps to handle the flares |
| 19:25.54 | Nandini | characterinfo/characterinfostorage |
| 19:25.57 | Nandini | onebank/oneview |
| 19:26.02 | kergoth | sanity2 |
| 19:26.17 | Nandini | baggins/whateveraddonsomeonewasmakinglastnight |
| 19:26.29 | omega | ohh, someone made something for baggins? |
| 19:26.30 | RaydenUni | onebank is nice |
| 19:26.32 | omega | now that sounds interesting |
| 19:26.38 | omega | RaydenUni: I dont like the one bag view |
| 19:26.42 | Nandini | it's a work in progress |
| 19:26.43 | omega | impossible to find stuff |
| 19:26.48 | RaydenUni | omega i've started to use baggins as well |
| 19:26.54 | Nandini | i don't like onebag either, i'm so used to having things nicely divided into bags |
| 19:27.10 | Nandini | onebank is a little more tolerable |
| 19:27.27 | Amadeo | I like either Bagnon for the single bag view, or just plain bags with oGlow |
| 19:27.28 | Nandini | or for non-ace2, but still very good, try bankitems |
| 19:27.39 | omega | Baggins_AnywhereBags sounds promising |
| 19:28.00 | Mikk | Whoa? Nargs got working on that? |
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| 19:28.10 | Nandini | yup, he was last night |
| 19:28.18 | Mikk | Cooool |
| 19:28.22 | Amadeo | what's it do? |
| 19:28.39 | kergoth | arkinventory 2.x has grown on me, using that + sanity2 myself |
| 19:28.41 | Nandini | module for baggins that lets you see inventory/bags/bank/mail from all your chars on the account |
| 19:28.51 | Amadeo | That's kind of what I figured :) |
| 19:28.54 | Nandini | it doesn't have any frames yet tho he said |
| 19:28.59 | omega | Mecdemort is listed as the author of AnywhereBags |
| 19:29.03 | omega | not Narg |
| 19:29.09 | Amadeo | kergoth: Ark is nice, but it's so...big, as in, the actual size of the frame and stuff :P |
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| 19:29.52 | omega | Nandini: do you know if BankItems also displays the playerbags, not only the bank bags? |
| 19:29.58 | kergoth | what do you mean? it has a scale option.. and its only as big as you want it to be, you can control how many "rows" (groups) are in the frame, and how many are shown per "line" |
| 19:30.00 | Nandini | it does |
| 19:30.08 | sb | meh.. al'ar - kill adds or tank them all? |
| 19:30.20 | Nandini | bankitems display looks exactly like your bank and bags, and lets you see it for any character on your account |
| 19:30.25 | Nandini | with scaleable and movable frames |
| 19:30.25 | Ominous | ~seen kaelten |
| 19:30.28 | purl | kaelten <n=kaelten@69.109.103.158> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3d 18h 53m 9s ago, saying: 'ls'. |
| 19:30.42 | Nandini | it also shows you what the char has equipped i believe, but doesn't handle items in mailboxes |
| 19:30.42 | xyu | i'd love sanity, it'd be my perfect bag addon IF, and a big IF, it would only replace my default bank and use it's own. |
| 19:31.14 | Amadeo | kergoth: Mainly the bars above and below the bag rows, I dunno, something was just weird about it for me |
| 19:31.26 | omega | ahh, new version on another site |
| 19:31.51 | omega | well, if the Baggins stuff works, thats perfect |
| 19:32.11 | omega | but thanks for the BankItems tip Nandini, it looks like the best other option for me :) |
| 19:32.11 | Nandini | it didn't sound like he had it ready to go yet, but give it a try |
| 19:32.40 | Nandini | yeah bankitems is like 1 of the 3 non ace addons i use |
| 19:32.47 | Nandini | i guess i'm just comfortable with it |
| 19:32.50 | Mudkipz | damn I forgot that I uninstalled skinner |
| 19:32.54 | Ominous | are there any forum admins here? |
| 19:33.06 | Mudkipz | recommend any good viewports? |
| 19:33.21 | Nandini | i suggest aperture, it's the most minimalistic of them all |
| 19:33.26 | Mudkipz | k |
| 19:33.30 | Nandini | no gui |
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| 19:33.56 | Nandini | you actually don't need an addon for it, you can script the size of the 3d world frame and put it in a macro |
| 19:34.18 | Nandini | but /aperture is nice since it makes it stick, and saves it in a profile for all your chars |
| 19:34.41 | omega | and pops up in Niagara for config |
| 19:35.15 | Nandini | i hadn't even thought of that! :) |
| 19:35.25 | Nandini | i guess i just set it once and never worried about it again |
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| 19:38.46 | Nandini | ugh so many crappy errors in prat now, i'm tempted to roll back |
| 19:40.00 | Nandini | it's not like there aren't at least a dozen ppl always here willing to check out a tagged copy and give it a quick test run |
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| 19:41.35 | Nandini | personally i know i never catch more than half of my own bugs, thats why we have testers |
| 19:41.41 | Nandini | (at work i mean) |
| 19:42.33 | Coruss | lol |
| 19:45.05 | Fisker- | OMG |
| 19:45.09 | Fisker- | my computer started |
| 19:45.20 | Fisker- | it was in the windows xp loading screen for like 10 minutes |
| 19:45.28 | Fisker- | and the progress bar went like 1 frame a second :D |
| 19:45.37 | Fisker- | brb |
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| 19:51.36 | Coruss | Fisker-: sounds like a corrupted driver or registry hive |
| 19:51.43 | Pkekyo | Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos. |
| 19:52.33 | Nandini | did anyone find the old naming conventions in prat difficult to understand? |
| 19:53.01 | Nandini | misleading? hard to find? |
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| 20:02.34 | `-FISKER_Q | yes! |
| 20:02.38 | `-FISKER_Q | I'm one raid array shorter |
| 20:02.45 | Nandini | ouch :( |
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| 20:03.42 | Fisker- | i had so many games and movies on that array :( |
| 20:03.51 | Fisker- | legally of course! |
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| 20:04.22 | ckknight | hey all |
| 20:04.25 | ckknight | how's everyone doing? |
| 20:04.52 | Fisker- | better than i could've been |
| 20:05.02 | Fisker- | only lost 1 raid array as opposed to all of my harddrives |
| 20:05.16 | durcyn | afternoon, ck. |
| 20:06.28 | Fisker- | Although i'd definitely say it doesn't sound reassuring that Windows took some 10 minutes too boot |
| 20:06.32 | Fisker- | to* |
| 20:07.26 | Nandini | doing just nifty :) |
| 20:07.44 | Nandini | hit a bit of a roadblock trying to create 2 new modules for pitbull |
| 20:08.03 | Nandini | it seems PB needs to know a bit more about my module than i can tell it just by registering |
| 20:08.35 | Nandini | i may have been working off the wrong example tho |
| 20:09.05 | CIA-14 | 03jaslaughter * r46468 10Baggins_Search/Baggins_Search.lua: Baggins_Search: -Search bar now properly hides when Baggins is in All-in-one mode |
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| 20:11.38 | Fisker- | yesterday i even broke my 100$ headset |
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| 20:22.22 | dodga | Omen author here? |
| 20:22.30 | RaydenUni | how long does it take to get arena points? |
| 20:22.32 | RaydenUni | say 3000 |
| 20:22.34 | RaydenUni | i've never done arena |
| 20:22.37 | Trancer | haven't seen him talking for a bit dodga |
| 20:22.49 | durcyn | oh, 4-6 weeks i'd imagine |
| 20:22.50 | Kain | if you are on a mediocre 5v5 team maybe 10 weeks |
| 20:22.54 | xyu | RaydenUni: well that all depends on how god your team is |
| 20:23.14 | xyu | a mediocre team can get about 350-450 pts a week i'd say |
| 20:23.16 | xyu | for 5v5 |
| 20:23.19 | Kain | 5v5 nets the most poitns so if you are cruddy join 5v5 |
| 20:23.30 | Thrae | !ar 2000 |
| 20:23.30 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Points given is above the threshold for conversion. Try a different number. Or perhaps you meant to convert ratings to points? Either way, you fail at life. |
| 20:23.36 | Thrae | !ap 2000 |
| 20:23.36 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Arena points from a rating of 2000 is, 2v2: 711, 3v3: 812, 5v5: 1015 |
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| 20:24.05 | Kain | !ap 1300 |
| 20:24.05 | ThraeBot | Kain: Arena points from a rating of 1300 is, 2v2: 210, 3v3: 240, 5v5: 300 |
| 20:24.18 | xyu | 1300 is pretty bad ^_^ |
| 20:24.35 | RaydenUni | k |
| 20:24.38 | Thrae | !te us stormreaver 5 lolcrew |
| 20:24.45 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Name: LOLcrew (5v5); Rampage (Horde); Rank: 129; Rating: 1926; Last Season's Rank: 149; This Season: 135/227 (60%) (Won/Played); This Week: 8/12 (67%); Points: ~927. [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/3bmuw4 ]] |
| 20:24.50 | RaydenUni | i just hit 70 with my shadow priest so i would probably suck in arena |
| 20:25.02 | xyu | yeah, no resil |
| 20:25.06 | xyu | = you getting blasted down |
| 20:25.37 | Kain | whats a good mage spec/boe gear for arena? |
| 20:25.37 | xyu | i can aalways tell when i fight teams w/ no resiliance. it usually reflects in the amount of points the match is worth afterwards too ;; |
| 20:25.54 | xyu | I'd say deep frost |
| 20:26.47 | xyu | Generally people won't target you first, which lets you deal out some crowd control, and a bit of dps as well. They know you have 2 ice blocks. |
| 20:27.17 | Pkekyo | !ar 1500 |
| 20:27.17 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Points given is above the threshold for conversion. Try a different number. Or perhaps you meant to convert ratings to points? Either way, you fail at life. |
| 20:27.25 | Kain | !ap 1500 |
| 20:27.25 | ThraeBot | Kain: Arena points from a rating of 1500 is, 2v2: 263, 3v3: 300, 5v5: 376 |
| 20:27.34 | CIA-14 | 03hamunaptra * r46469 10fmBuffCheck/ (Locale-deDE.lua Locale-enUS.lua fmBuffCheck.lua): |
| 20:27.34 | CIA-14 | fmBuffCheck: |
| 20:27.34 | CIA-14 | - bugfixes |
| 20:27.34 | CIA-14 | - class translations added where necessary |
| 20:27.34 | CIA-14 | - cheatmode (pressing ctrl overrides party rights) |
| 20:27.35 | Pkekyo | so !ap is how to not fail at life? |
| 20:27.37 | Pkekyo | interesting |
| 20:28.01 | xyu | !ar 376 |
| 20:28.01 | ThraeBot | xyu: Arena rating from 376 points is, 2v2: 1635, 3v3: 1582, 5v5: 1500 |
| 20:28.51 | Fisker- | I'm never using onboard audio again |
| 20:29.00 | xyu | I'd recommend any new mage to try and get Mag'hari Ritualist's Horns from nagrand. |
| 20:29.20 | xyu | why not? |
| 20:29.27 | kergoth | ~seen mikk |
| 20:29.51 | purl | mikk is currently on #wowace (4h 26m 20s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 1h 1m 33s, last said: 'Cooool'. |
| 20:29.51 | xyu | did onboard kill your sister? |
| 20:29.56 | Fisker- | yes xyu |
| 20:30.28 | Ominous | are there any wowace forum admins online |
| 20:31.23 | NeoTron | so dumb question but does vashj's forked lighting do more damage on fewer target and less per target if you have more? |
| 20:31.29 | ravagernl | mikk: can you put acemodulecore in embeds.xml for addonloader? |
| 20:31.42 | NeoTron | I thought it always hit for 2500ish but I see hits over 5k |
| 20:31.49 | Pkekyo | I swear to god! blizzard are doing rollbacks on my mage! |
| 20:31.56 | Pkekyo | I've hit lvl 33 3-4 times allready! |
| 20:32.29 | RaydenUni | how do you get resilience? is it on certain armor? or enchants and gems and stuff? |
| 20:32.30 | Kain | whats the mod that everyone use for the blue bars in teh top right of the screen w/ buff timers? |
| 20:32.59 | kergoth | probably ct_buffmod or elkbuffbars |
| 20:33.01 | NeoTron | ah nm it's because elementals got to her |
| 20:33.01 | RaydenUni | ark |
| 20:33.05 | RaydenUni | elkbuffbars my bad |
| 20:33.39 | Kain | hm there is bars and bar lol |
| 20:33.45 | Kain | should i get bars? |
| 20:34.06 | kergoth | bars is newer, bar is old |
| 20:34.09 | kergoth | you want bars |
| 20:34.11 | RaydenUni | bars |
| 20:34.41 | Kain | thanks :) |
| 20:34.45 | RaydenUni | after using EBB and classtimer for a while i can't imagine not having something that shows me when my dots and buffs are going to wear off |
| 20:34.50 | Elkano | I should move ElkBuffBar to tags... |
| 20:35.06 | RaydenUni | yap |
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| 20:35.37 | NeoTron | 15 vashj wipes last night. |
| 20:35.42 | NeoTron | don't like her at all |
| 20:36.15 | durcyn | then you're probably doing something wrong |
| 20:36.17 | RaydenUni | that's a few |
| 20:36.25 | durcyn | fix your strategy, then win |
| 20:37.11 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 20:37.29 | cncfanatics | Ominous, ping |
| 20:37.36 | Ominous | cncfanatics: hey |
| 20:37.41 | durcyn | NeoTron: how is your raid set up for vashj? |
| 20:37.41 | Elkano | anyone remembers software released as cardware? |
| 20:37.51 | NeoTron | durcyn: no were' doing everthing else, we just like boss kill DKP |
| 20:38.17 | NeoTron | durcyn: trying for a ferla druid (tank)/roguex2/ench shammy/dps warr group as primary naga group |
| 20:38.29 | NeoTron | 2 locks, mage, 2 hunters for elementals |
| 20:38.44 | durcyn | how many ranged on striders? |
| 20:38.47 | NeoTron | lock or hunter for kiting. 7 healers and rest of the spots for ranged dps |
| 20:39.21 | NeoTron | 5 + kiter |
| 20:39.36 | NeoTron | although we lost one ranged dps and had to bring in another feral druid which messed up that balance |
| 20:39.50 | durcyn | i'd move one from strider to the sixth elemental position |
| 20:39.58 | durcyn | everything else sounds like you have the right people in the right place |
| 20:40.19 | NeoTron | what really boggles my mind is that people die from static charge in phase 1 |
| 20:40.26 | durcyn | hell you could even use a melee on the south side if you wanted |
| 20:40.30 | NeoTron | we had fricking holy priests die which just makes no sense |
| 20:40.39 | durcyn | oh dear. |
| 20:40.54 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 20:40.57 | NeoTron | I know |
| 20:40.59 | cncfanatics | Ominous, tried FB out ? :p |
| 20:40.59 | NeoTron | it's.. weird |
| 20:41.16 | Ominous | cncfanatics: nope :P, reinstalling windows atm |
| 20:41.18 | NeoTron | hmm we had 2 locks, 3 hunters on adds then added 1 mage |
| 20:41.35 | cncfanatics | Ominous, lol :p |
| 20:41.38 | NeoTron | then replaced 1 hunter with 1 lock and then the lock with warrior when it became apparent we needed more strider dps |
| 20:41.50 | NeoTron | so in the end 2 lock, 2 hunter, 1 mage, 1 warrior on elemental adds |
| 20:42.12 | NeoTron | main problem seems to be ppl dying |
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| 20:44.10 | Morghus | NeoTron: Vashj? |
| 20:44.11 | durcyn | NeoTron: no one can be allowed to die |
| 20:44.26 | Cryect | Elkano: what exactly would moving your buff bars to tags add? Doesn't seem much really for a player to customize textwise |
| 20:44.42 | Cryect | Stage 3 people can die but thats about it |
| 20:44.42 | durcyn | you need 2-3 healers covering elemental dps, you need 2-3 raid healers covering static charges |
| 20:44.56 | Morghus | NeoTron: Have them explain what killed them, and what can be done to rectify it. Noone can die |
| 20:44.59 | NeoTron | Morghus: indeed |
| 20:45.02 | durcyn | and you need then to not be tunnel vision fuckwits |
| 20:45.03 | Elkano | Cryect, tags in contrast to trunk or branch, not the lib |
| 20:45.09 | Cryect | oh haha! |
| 20:45.15 | NeoTron | durcyn: yep I'm aware. I usually call for a quick wipe once a couple of ppl are down |
| 20:45.27 | Cryect | I was thinking, I couldn't see what exactly tags would bring in so was curious :-p |
| 20:45.36 | NeoTron | what would be nice is a couple of resto shamans |
| 20:46.11 | Morghus | NeoTron: How many healers ? |
| 20:46.23 | NeoTron | 7 |
| 20:46.50 | NeoTron | 3 pally 4 priest - not an optimal makeup but all we had at the time |
| 20:47.27 | Morghus | I recommend an 8th healer for the first tries when learning, otherwise the curve is a bit steep |
| 20:47.28 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather bloodtattoo |
| 20:47.28 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Bloodtattoo, Level 41 Blood Elf Paladin (0/0/32). 2406 HP; 1874 Mana; 71 mana regen; 4104 Armour; 425 AP; 62.2 Melee DPS; 10.25% melee crit; 5.17% dodge; 4.8% block;[[ TBR: 284 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2awtgd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2jd2s6 ]] |
| 20:47.35 | durcyn | eek, no druids or shamans? |
| 20:47.39 | Pkekyo | that would be retri specc? |
| 20:47.47 | NeoTron | we have one resto druid and she was out/late |
| 20:47.59 | durcyn | recruit, imo |
| 20:48.02 | NeoTron | we have one new and compltely untested resto shaman in mostly blue gear |
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| 20:48.18 | NeoTron | and our enhancement shaman might go back to resto (he's been on and off resto) |
| 20:48.26 | NeoTron | just thinking chain heal is FTW there |
| 20:48.44 | NeoTron | Morghus: but with less DPS you very quickly fall behind no? |
| 20:48.45 | durcyn | it helps a bit |
| 20:49.02 | durcyn | NeoTron: you could lose one from strider and still win |
| 20:49.08 | NeoTron | I mean a few elementals hitting vashj and raid damage will be a lot higher |
| 20:49.24 | NeoTron | more healing might be an option though just worried about dps |
| 20:49.25 | durcyn | unless your casters are complete retards. |
| 20:49.38 | Morghus | NeoTron: What's important at first is that you get stable phases, and that people learn them. |
| 20:49.40 | durcyn | the elemental ranged should also help with strider while it's near them |
| 20:49.54 | NeoTron | until we llosed one ranged dps for a melee we did pretty nicely |
| 20:50.02 | Morghus | NeoTron: Also, noone can stop dpsing anything in that encounter. Always keep them looking for a target |
| 20:50.02 | NeoTron | first strider down before second one came up |
| 20:50.04 | durcyn | assuming you have a hunter kiting it in a useful circle |
| 20:50.09 | NeoTron | then our kiter got killed bc ppl didn't slow the strider |
| 20:50.24 | durcyn | put an affliction lock on in it full time |
| 20:50.24 | Pkekyo | goddamnit, I hate system errors...screwed up my entire music lib >.< |
| 20:50.34 | durcyn | and have your enh shaman frost shock it |
| 20:50.45 | NeoTron | I'm considering having the elemental shaman kite it |
| 20:50.57 | durcyn | hunter kiting is more efficient, dps is slow to start with anything else |
| 20:51.21 | durcyn | or they are if they're smart and don't want to pull aggro |
| 20:51.30 | NeoTron | ranged dps: 4 locks, ele shammy, 1 mage (3 mages initiial), 1 moonkin, 1 Shadow priest, 3 hunters |
| 20:51.35 | NeoTron | in that particular raid |
| 20:52.05 | durcyn | ....moonkin? |
| 20:52.23 | durcyn | nevermind, i don't even want to know |
| 20:52.26 | NeoTron | yes, big owl thing |
| 20:52.28 | JoshBorke | oomkin |
| 20:52.30 | JoshBorke | you mean |
| 20:52.49 | NeoTron | honestly he seems to do fine most of the time |
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| 20:53.18 | durcyn | i dunno, doesn't sound like very efficient min/maxing to me |
| 20:53.49 | cncfanatics | durcyn, pretbc shit is past :p |
| 20:53.54 | cncfanatics | their crit & hit auras are amazing |
| 20:53.58 | NeoTron | given we're only at vashj, we're hardly a min-max omgwtfpwn guild |
| 20:54.10 | NeoTron | they don't have a hit aura. elemental shamans do |
| 20:54.14 | RaydenUni | my guild is working towards getting KZ attuned :D |
| 20:54.16 | Chompers | Lurker = pain :< |
| 20:54.17 | durcyn | yes, but vashj has the biggest learning curve in the zone |
| 20:54.19 | NeoTron | they have the melee hit bonsu from faerie fire |
| 20:54.23 | RaydenUni | we're uber hardcore |
| 20:54.23 | Chompers | why wont he die! DIEEEE |
| 20:54.31 | NeoTron | he wasn't initially in |
| 20:54.35 | durcyn | so a little optimization is useful for the first kill or three |
| 20:54.36 | NeoTron | but we lost two mages and had no choice |
| 20:54.44 | NeoTron | had to bring him and the only other DPS online in (feral druid) |
| 20:54.52 | cncfanatics | yea, only let the moonkin do farm bosses, see how happy he'll be :p |
| 20:55.45 | NeoTron | he outperform other classes - maybe not because of class but becase of skill |
| 20:56.21 | durcyn | or thousands of gold worth of mana potions |
| 20:56.33 | RaydenUni | what do you guys mean by min-max? |
| 20:56.39 | RaydenUni | i'm familiar with the game theory term |
| 20:56.44 | NeoTron | RaydenUni: best optimized raid |
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| 20:56.56 | NeoTron | meaning put in the people in the raid that are most likely to make it a success |
| 20:57.09 | NeoTron | typically leaving out hybrids.. unless they are shadow priests |
| 20:57.14 | RaydenUni | so the words min and max don't mean anything |
| 20:57.15 | RaydenUni | oh |
| 20:57.22 | Megalon | NeoTron meant: meaning put in the _classes_ in the raid that are most likely to make it a success |
| 20:57.24 | Megalon | :P |
| 20:57.38 | RaydenUni | k |
| 20:57.42 | NeoTron | true. or both |
| 20:57.43 | Megalon | maximal profit |
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| 20:57.48 | Megalon | for minimal effort |
| 20:57.51 | NeoTron | because people differ too |
| 20:57.53 | RaydenUni | are there pages somewhere suggesting group makeups for different raids? |
| 20:57.57 | Megalon | that's what min-max stands for |
| 20:58.03 | NeoTron | reason to put in the moonkin is that the player is above average |
| 20:58.05 | RaydenUni | my guild's KZ group might have 3 warlocks and a shadow priest |
| 20:58.18 | NeoTron | sounds like win right there |
| 20:58.36 | NeoTron | if we could have all-warlocks for vashj DPS we'd be set |
| 20:58.40 | NeoTron | talk about ezmode |
| 20:58.50 | RaydenUni | 2 wa, 1 heal priest, 1 resto shaman, 1 rogue, 1 mage, 3 warlock, 1 shadow priest |
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| 20:58.55 | durcyn | eh, melee are just as important for p3 |
| 20:59.05 | NeoTron | for what reason? :P |
| 20:59.09 | durcyn | stabby. |
| 20:59.15 | HarveyDent | anyone know of an in-game calculator? like 2+2=4 type calculator |
| 20:59.18 | Amadeo | Samsung Fuel Cell that runs a laptop for 1 month -- http://www.hardocp.com/images/news/11870090477pmjSiGaio_1_1_l.jpg |
| 20:59.18 | NeoTron | pew pew works too |
| 20:59.21 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.28 | cncfanatics | # only seems to work if they're numericaly indexed |
| 20:59.38 | vithos | HarveyDent: GnomeCruncher |
| 20:59.39 | NightHawkAtWork | HarveyDent: keep a real calculator near your desk. |
| 20:59.50 | ckknight | HarveyDent: //print |
| 20:59.55 | HarveyDent | lol I usually do but my girlfriend uses it alot |
| 20:59.57 | ckknight | just one slash, though |
| 21:00.04 | ckknight | HarveyDent: /print 2+2 |
| 21:00.08 | ckknight | prints out 4 |
| 21:00.13 | HarveyDent | really? |
| 21:00.17 | HarveyDent | I never knew that |
| 21:00.29 | JoshBorke | cncfanatics: i = 0 for k, v in pairs(tbl) do i = i + 1 end |
| 21:00.31 | HarveyDent | that will work with basic stuff like multiplication, etc? |
| 21:00.40 | JoshBorke | cncfanatics: if it's only numerically indexed but with holes, try table.maxn(tbl) |
| 21:00.44 | ckknight | yea, HarveyDent |
| 21:00.51 | ckknight | HarveyDent: it's just a mini-lua prompt |
| 21:00.56 | HarveyDent | awesome. I will give that a shot |
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| 21:01.25 | HarveyDent | thank you :) I'll check out GnomeCrunher too |
| 21:01.40 | cncfanatics | its sad u cant get the amount of keys from a non numericaly indexed table with # :/ |
| 21:02.13 | JoshBorke | it doesn't make sense to me to know the size of a hash table |
| 21:02.31 | Nandini | why do you need to know how many keys it has? |
| 21:02.37 | RaydenUni | do you NEED 3 healers for KZ? or would a priest and a resto shaman be enough? +1 shadow priest as well |
| 21:02.51 | JoshBorke | 2 healers + spriest should work fine |
| 21:02.53 | HarveyDent | and just to check: multiplication is * and division is ... / ? |
| 21:02.57 | kergoth | hmm, whats that site that lets you look at the builds of people in teh top arena teams? |
| 21:03.00 | ckknight | yea, HarveyDent |
| 21:03.04 | JoshBorke | ~armorytools |
| 21:03.06 | HarveyDent | sweet :) |
| 21:03.06 | durcyn | if the shaman and holy priest don't suck, it would work, rayden |
| 21:03.08 | nevcairiel | kergoth: armory ? :P |
| 21:03.09 | JoshBorke | ~armory |
| 21:03.15 | JoshBorke | ~antiarc sucks |
| 21:03.16 | kergoth | ah, didnt realize armory had arena info |
| 21:03.46 | ckknight | purl sucks |
| 21:03.47 | purl | only if you ask nicely and pay well. |
| 21:03.55 | ckknight | *shrug* |
| 21:04.02 | NightHawkAtWork | armory tools: http://armory.mmo-champion.com/index.php |
| 21:04.08 | cncfanatics | JoshBorke, a bit complicated |
| 21:04.32 | cncfanatics | I got a table where a group is kept in in the form of Name = Object |
| 21:04.42 | cncfanatics | if the table is empty then it means the group should be disbanded cuz it has no more members |
| 21:04.49 | Silowyi | hey ckknight: how long does it typically take the wowace team to respond to new SVN requests? I haven't heard anything back since last thursday. |
| 21:04.58 | JoshBorke | cncfanatics: table.insert(tbl, name) |
| 21:05.03 | ckknight | Kaelten's been pretty busy, Silowyi |
| 21:05.08 | cncfanatics | and where do I keep the object then ? |
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| 21:05.29 | JoshBorke | cncfanatics: same place |
| 21:05.37 | RaydenUni | the armory.mmo-champion tradeskill tool doesn't work for me |
| 21:05.38 | JoshBorke | cncfanatics: table.insert(tbl, name) tbl[name] = object |
| 21:05.42 | RaydenUni | i get a blank page |
| 21:05.43 | Silowyi | Ckknight: another question, are you going to add Blue to Crayon lib? |
| 21:05.50 | ckknight | you do it |
| 21:05.53 | cncfanatics | JoshBorke, not a bad idea :o |
| 21:05.54 | HarveyDent | ah also - does anyone know if making a frame mobile is ... "easy" ? |
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| 21:06.06 | HarveyDent | like something you could tell me to just "paste into the code" somewhere a few lines? |
| 21:06.06 | Silowyi | easy, should I send you a .patch? |
| 21:06.23 | ckknight | Silowyi: bah, it'd be easier if you had an svn account |
| 21:06.33 | ckknight | Silowyi: clearly, you should think about getting one of those |
| 21:06.33 | ckknight | :-P |
| 21:06.36 | HarveyDent | I want to make ClosetGnomes outfit add/change window mobile because currently it is not mobile |
| 21:06.48 | ckknight | Silowyi: in all honesty, I recommend emailing kaelten |
| 21:06.51 | CIA-14 | 03funkydude * r46472 10BigWigs/SC/Vashj.lua: |
| 21:06.51 | CIA-14 | BigWigs: SC/Vashj: |
| 21:06.51 | CIA-14 | - fixed and matched phase 2 yell |
| 21:06.51 | CIA-14 | - now using a yell for phase 3 |
| 21:06.52 | Silowyi | ckknight: I sense a vicious cycle :) |
| 21:06.54 | ckknight | or possibly talk to pastamancer |
| 21:06.58 | cncfanatics | thanks JoshBorke, never thought about that |
| 21:07.09 | JoshBorke | cncfanatics: it just means you'll have more processing to do when you remove something from the table |
| 21:07.16 | JoshBorke | since you have to iterate through the list to find it |
| 21:07.20 | cncfanatics | hmmm true |
| 21:07.23 | cncfanatics | which is again irritating |
| 21:07.28 | JoshBorke | you could binary search it |
| 21:07.34 | Gamefaq | hi |
| 21:07.35 | Silowyi | I'll just set an alert for the next time big K says something in chat and pounce him :P |
| 21:07.38 | cncfanatics | if I have to itterate through the table either way |
| 21:07.38 | JoshBorke | well, i guess that wouldn't help |
| 21:07.43 | cncfanatics | I might as well not add the extra overhead |
| 21:07.57 | ckknight | Silowyi: try to contact pastamancer |
| 21:08.01 | JoshBorke | cncfanatics: you could also just keep your own count |
| 21:08.11 | Silowyi | Ckknight ok |
| 21:08.21 | cncfanatics | JoshBorke, true |
| 21:09.09 | omega | Nandini: it didn't work yet it seems, at least not the graphical portion of it |
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| 21:09.22 | omega | it lists it in the fubar-menu though |
| 21:10.45 | Silowyi | *** Server does not recognize TELL command <-- sigh, too much WoW lately not enough irc. |
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| 21:11.19 | ckknight | I use /w |
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| 21:11.31 | Nandini | omega: were you talking about BankItems? |
| 21:11.34 | JoshBorke | i use /tell |
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| 21:12.26 | omega | Nandini: no, Baggins_AnywhereBags |
| 21:12.27 | sb | meh we are too stupid for al'ar... |
| 21:12.39 | cncfanatics | sb, my guild is too stupid for gruul |
| 21:12.47 | sb | cncfanatics: hmh.... |
| 21:12.51 | Nandini | omega: yeah he said he hadn't created frames for it yet |
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| 21:13.29 | Silowyi | nothing depresses me more than seeing rogues attack from in front of a mob. |
| 21:13.49 | durcyn | in the year 2007, can people seriously not know that parries reset swing timers? |
| 21:13.52 | Silowyi | Yes, I realize you're combat swords, now get behind him where he can't block or parry :P |
| 21:14.04 | Nandini | even more depressing is when I, as the tank, turn the mob around and the rogue moves around in front of him again with me |
| 21:14.27 | Silowyi | especially on frontal cleave mobs :) |
| 21:14.30 | Coruss | *sigh* stupid rogues |
| 21:14.38 | Coruss | it's the same argument as a hunter |
| 21:14.42 | kebinusan | There was a nice thread on the EJ forums about how horrible the effect of Parry can be on bosses |
| 21:14.42 | Coruss | easy to play, hard to play well |
| 21:15.20 | cncfanatics | kebinusan, parries are horrible |
| 21:15.20 | kebinusan | Someone had a combat log showing Gruul doing over 13,000 damage in 2.3 seconds because of attacks being parried from multiple people |
| 21:15.22 | durcyn | kebinusan: i've seen it myself. archimonde hitting a warrior for 7,000... four times a second |
| 21:15.39 | cncfanatics | SIlowyi, why are ur rogues in front ? |
| 21:15.53 | kebinusan | durcyn, yeah ouch |
| 21:15.54 | Cyrez | My channel sure got popular fairly quickly. ^^ |
| 21:16.15 | Silowyi | cncfanatics: It went something along the lines of "I'm SS so I don't backstab anyway |
| 21:16.55 | durcyn | Silowyi: you need to have a ten minute vent rant then |
| 21:17.19 | Silowyi | clarification, my guilds rogues are too smart for that, this was a pug |
| 21:17.43 | Nandini | i stopped fighting and wiped us once just so i could get everyone's attention and explain to them the issue |
| 21:17.44 | durcyn | i do believe that at this point in time after the amount of play you've had, that if you don't understand how the mechanics of your class work, then the proper place for your corpse is at the bottom of the nearest convenient ditch << things like that sometimes get through to them :o |
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| 21:18.15 | Silowyi | Durcyn: if they don't go "TLDR lol" |
| 21:18.35 | Nandini | when he said he understood, and we went back to prince, and he kept fighting him from the front, especially in phase 2 where parries were doubling, he just had to leave the guild |
| 21:18.40 | cncfanatics | Silowyi, tell them they're total morons and should stop playing a rogue |
| 21:19.47 | Silowyi | cncfanatics: Actually if we could get all the total morons to play night elf rogues or night elf hunters, then that would solve the problem, just don't invite those classes XD |
| 21:20.12 | Silowyi | gnome rogues 4tw |
| 21:20.50 | Cyrez | cncfanatics: A lot of people hate rogues because apparently a lot of them are idiots... >< |
| 21:20.51 | Nandini | we have such pitiful alliance players on our server that we always joke the bad horde players are just allies who got tired of losing |
| 21:21.06 | Silowyi | Nandini: that's most servers. |
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| 21:21.26 | Nandini | our server is sad though, we actually have more blood elves than total alliance chars |
| 21:21.35 | Nandini | it's like a metrosexual fest |
| 21:21.39 | Ominous | lol |
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| 21:22.55 | Hjalte | Is anyone else having problems hiding the Changed Channel notices with later Prat versions? |
| 21:23.34 | xyu | Do Europeans use check books to pay bills still? i hate that about america, still using checks. I lived in taiwan for 3 years, no checks. didn't need'm. ever |
| 21:24.00 | cncfanatics | my server has more ally then horde |
| 21:24.09 | cncfanatics | like about every EU server around that I know of |
| 21:24.22 | Cyrez | I liked it when you didn't change channels when you were flying. |
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| 21:24.28 | Cyrez | Good times. |
| 21:24.41 | Silowyi | Xyu: I live in the U.S. and pay every single bill I have electronically, except my life insurance premium. |
| 21:24.46 | Cyrez | Especially when you're stuck in the middle of a 16-minute flight. |
| 21:25.22 | Nandini | i haven't written a check in almost 2 years |
| 21:25.48 | Nandini | of course, i'm perpetually broke, so that's usually a good thing :) |
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| 21:26.49 | xyu | Silowyi: even rent? |
| 21:27.03 | Silowyi | Xyu: yup, bank draft |
| 21:27.16 | Nandini | i can pay my rent online here too |
| 21:27.29 | Nandini | even if i couldn't, i'd just have the bank mail them a check each month |
| 21:27.39 | xyu | you can do that?!? |
| 21:27.40 | Nandini | that way it's the bank's fault if they don't get it :) |
| 21:27.42 | pastamancer | my utilities are all auto-pay |
| 21:27.44 | nevcairiel | you can pay like everythnig online here |
| 21:27.55 | nevcairiel | how else would i pay ? :P |
| 21:28.20 | xyu | well if i can have my bank mail checks that'd rock. i'll have to look into that :P |
| 21:28.23 | Nandini | sometimes i think i've forgotten how to write anything except my signature on my receipts |
| 21:28.49 | xyu | i just dont want to buy checks :P |
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| 21:29.27 | vhaarr | Mikk: oO |
| 21:29.38 | Pkekyo | anyone know if there's a MSN plugin for opera? |
| 21:29.41 | vhaarr | Mikk: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=7825.msg129548#msg129548 |
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| 21:36.14 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r46474 10FlexBar2/ (5 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 21:36.14 | CIA-14 | FlexBar2: |
| 21:36.14 | CIA-14 | Core.lua: |
| 21:36.14 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.14 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.14 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.19 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.25 | cncfanatics | vhaarr, I got a question for you |
| 21:36.30 | vhaarr | hi2u |
| 21:36.44 | cncfanatics | could CIA messages on wowace-cia be untrimmed ? |
| 21:36.48 | RaydenUni | did clearfont change in the last update? now my chat text has a shadow |
| 21:36.49 | cncfanatics | as there's no chatter in there anyway |
| 21:36.52 | vhaarr | ulic: was it you that created the closetgnome branch? |
| 21:37.03 | vhaarr | cncfanatics: you'll have to ask Cyrez |
| 21:37.10 | cncfanatics | havent seem him in days |
| 21:37.12 | cncfanatics | ~seen Cyrez |
| 21:37.14 | purl | cyrez is currently on #wowace. Has said a total of 73 messages. Is idling for 12m 28s, last said: 'Especially when you're stuck in the middle of a 16-minute flight.'. |
| 21:37.20 | cncfanatics | lol 12m ago |
| 21:37.22 | cncfanatics | ping Cyrez |
| 21:37.23 | vhaarr | you need glasses, then |
| 21:37.35 | cncfanatics | indeed |
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| 21:40.22 | Gagorian- | !ap 1821 |
| 21:40.22 | ThraeBot | Gagorian-: Arena points from a rating of 1821 is, 2v2: 552, 3v3: 631, 5v5: 789 |
| 21:40.45 | Xinhuan | According to wowjutsu, there are 15611 guilds and only 1.87% of that has killed Kael and 3.88% killed Vashj. |
| 21:40.53 | Xinhuan | 63.69% has killed Nightbane |
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| 21:41.16 | cncfanatics | Nightbane is a lovely boss |
| 21:41.18 | cncfanatics | I love him :p |
| 21:41.23 | Xinhuan | does that sound right to you? |
| 21:41.32 | cncfanatics | nightbane numbers do |
| 21:41.38 | cncfanatics | as not all guilds raid & can get a go at him |
| 21:41.43 | Xinhuan | a guild is listed on wowjutsu if it is larger than 10 members that are lvl 70, and has loot from at least karazhan or better |
| 21:41.44 | cncfanatics | but thosie vasj numbers & kael are just wrong |
| 21:41.56 | cncfanatics | oh |
| 21:41.59 | cncfanatics | then its really wron |
| 21:42.00 | Xinhuan | the vashj and kael numbers are probably correct |
| 21:42.09 | cncfanatics | they're too low |
| 21:42.13 | cncfanatics | thatw what I mean with "wrong" |
| 21:42.14 | Xinhuan | 1.87% of 15611 gulds is what? |
| 21:42.24 | cncfanatics | .calc 0.0187*15611 |
| 21:42.27 | Xinhuan | 292 guilds? |
| 21:42.31 | ramoz | cncfanatics: have you ever tried kael? |
| 21:42.35 | ckknight | ~15611*0.0187 |
| 21:42.36 | purl | 291.9257 |
| 21:42.39 | cncfanatics | ramoz, i'm stick at gruul lol |
| 21:42.51 | ramoz | well |
| 21:42.51 | cncfanatics | stuck* |
| 21:42.53 | ramoz | to kill kael |
| 21:42.54 | ramoz | and vashj |
| 21:43.00 | Xinhuan | 292 guilds over some 200 realms on EU and US sounds about right? |
| 21:43.07 | Xinhuan | for kael? |
| 21:43.08 | vithos | we've killed kael and vashj, and i don't doubt those %'s |
| 21:43.09 | cncfanatics | nope totaly not :p |
| 21:43.10 | ramoz | it requires every raider to pay 100% attention and dont do the smalest fuckup |
| 21:43.18 | cncfanatics | what I mean with too low |
| 21:43.23 | cncfanatics | is not that those numbers are actualy too low |
| 21:43.25 | ramoz | ah |
| 21:43.28 | cncfanatics | but that more guilds should have killed vasj |
| 21:43.32 | cncfanatics | and kael |
| 21:43.39 | cncfanatics | but blizz sucked it up again and made em too hard |
| 21:43.47 | Xinhuan | i don't think the statistics are wrong |
| 21:43.51 | ramoz | they're nerfing kael now atleast |
| 21:44.06 | vithos | they're not nerfing kael, they're making the trivial part (phase1) shorter |
| 21:44.07 | ramoz | cause phase 1 is just long, boring and time consuming |
| 21:44.18 | Xinhuan | phase 1 is about 4 minutes approximately |
| 21:44.24 | Xinhuan | 1 min per advisor |
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| 21:44.35 | ramoz | still is boring to wait for kael to speak all his shit etc |
| 21:44.48 | ramoz | its not like its hard, just dull |
| 21:44.50 | cncfanatics | fun the first time prolly |
| 21:44.50 | Xinhuan | it gives you time to regen a few ticks of mana ;p |
| 21:44.58 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: cia messages arent trimed |
| 21:45.00 | Xinhuan | so i appreciate the roleplay |
| 21:45.11 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster, check my commit message above |
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| 21:45.19 | cncfanatics | (log message trimmed) |
| 21:45.34 | Ominous | Arrowmaster: they are |
| 21:45.37 | Arrowmaster | was it actually trimed? i know sometimes it says that but doesnt actually trim it |
| 21:45.50 | cncfanatics | it was |
| 21:45.51 | cncfanatics | by a lot |
| 21:45.53 | Arrowmaster | and if they are trimed theyre trimed by the wowace svn |
| 21:45.56 | Arrowmaster | not cia |
| 21:45.57 | cncfanatics | my commit messsages are esays though |
| 21:45.58 | Pkekyo | Nymbia here? |
| 21:46.03 | cncfanatics | and, trac shows them fine |
| 21:46.08 | cncfanatics | so its really CIA |
| 21:46.27 | cncfanatics | compare the latest message in http://trac.wowace.com/log/trunk/FlexBar2?action=follow_copy&rev=&stop_rev=&mode=follow_copy&verbose=on |
| 21:46.31 | cncfanatics | with the one from CIA above |
| 21:46.34 | cncfanatics | CIA clearly trims them |
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| 21:46.48 | Ominous | argh wheres kaelten |
| 21:46.54 | Arrowmaster | i did the cia config for wowace-cia, its just a copy of the wowace one and theres nothing at all about triming in it, its done by the wowace svn before its sent to cia |
| 21:46.54 | nevcairiel | CIA even says "log message trimmed" :P |
| 21:47.13 | Ominous | Arrowmaster: or maybe CIA does it by default |
| 21:47.19 | nevcairiel | (23:36:12) (+CIA-2) cncfanatics * r46474 FlexBar2/ (5 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 21:47.28 | Ominous | and Arrowmaster if trac shows it full then its not wowace svn |
| 21:47.38 | Cyrez | ZOMG, the one in my channel! |
| 21:47.49 | cncfanatics | Cyrez, can u disable trimming somehow ? :p |
| 21:47.49 | Arrowmaster | if cia is triming it by default then figure out how to make it stop and change it |
| 21:48.15 | nevcairiel | really, that shouldnt be changed :P |
| 21:48.15 | Cyrez | cncfanatics: I think it's doing that on it's own. |
| 21:48.33 | Ominous | Arrowmaster: type svn log http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/FlexBar2 -r HEAD to see what wowace svn stores the log as |
| 21:48.36 | cncfanatics | it would be nice to just change it on the wowace-cia channel imo |
| 21:48.49 | cncfanatics | to get full messages there :p |
| 21:48.58 | Ominous | yea i was thinking that too |
| 21:49.12 | Cyrez | CIA probably does it by itself so some jackhole can't flood it. |
| 21:49.27 | Cyrez | Better safe than sorry. |
| 21:49.44 | cncfanatics | u could still flood it by commiting a lot at once anyway ? :p |
| 21:49.56 | cncfanatics | it sends line by line slow enough to prevent flooding I think |
| 21:50.21 | Cyrez | Well, yeah, but that's not the point. |
| 21:50.51 | Cyrez | It's probably so somebody can't put in a couple dozen lines of garbage in the log message. |
| 21:51.05 | Arrowmaster | anybody can edit the wowace-cia bot config, if you figure out how to remove the triming then do it |
| 21:51.36 | Cyrez | I don't know how but I'm betting it's a safety measure and can't be shut off. |
| 21:51.58 | Coruss | buffer overflow protect possibly? |
| 21:52.33 | Cyrez | Something like that. |
| 21:52.47 | Coruss | strings are notorious for them :) |
| 21:53.06 | Cyrez | Like limiting the number of lines it'll output as well as capping the number of characters. |
| 21:53.34 | Coruss | ya |
| 21:54.10 | HarveyDent | ckknight: how do I get poisons to be shown as a buff? |
| 21:54.16 | HarveyDent | in pitbull |
| 21:54.58 | cncfanatics | I cant even find anything about trimming on cia.vc :( |
| 21:57.01 | CIA-14 | 03celellach * r46475 10AtlasLoot_WorldLoot/WorldEvents.en.lua: |
| 21:57.01 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot_WorldLoot: |
| 21:57.01 | CIA-14 | - Loot fixes |
| 21:57.21 | CIA-14 | 03celellach * r46476 10AtlasLoot_OldInstances/original.en.lua: |
| 21:57.21 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot_OldInstances: |
| 21:57.21 | CIA-14 | - Loot update |
| 21:57.37 | Wixi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxx2KcPWWZg |
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| 21:59.52 | CIA-14 | 03celellach * r46477 10AtlasLoot/ (Constants/constants.en.lua Core/WorldEvent.lua): |
| 21:59.52 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 21:59.52 | CIA-14 | - Added another event |
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| 22:00.30 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather ruben |
| 22:00.34 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Ruben, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (34/24/3). 11827 HP; 9692 Armour; 1526 AP; 240.7 Melee DPS; 29.23% melee crit; 52 melee hit; 7.58% dodge; 5% block; 273 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 975 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2hbnvz ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2kx8jl ]] |
| 22:01.33 | cncfanatics | Thrae should rly fix his TBR thingy |
| 22:01.40 | cncfanatics | it overrates melees and especialy tanks |
| 22:01.43 | cncfanatics | now i'm off to bed |
| 22:01.44 | cncfanatics | nn all |
| 22:02.19 | Pkekyo | cnc|ZzZ: TBR? |
| 22:02.34 | cnc|ZzZ | in the profiles |
| 22:02.38 | Mecdemort | so if you get the unembedded version of an addon from the site, does it automatically remove embeds.xml and the reference to it in the toc file? |
| 22:02.40 | cnc|ZzZ | ~tbr |
| 22:02.45 | purl | tbr is, like, ThraeBot Ratings, an invention of Thrae for his ThraeBot. It works on a weighted logarithmic algorithm that, when used to compare two characters, tries to take which classes are fighting each other. |
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| 22:03.23 | CIA-14 | 03Silowyi * r46478 10MissRate/ (. MissRate.lua MissRate.toc libs/): |
| 22:03.23 | CIA-14 | MissRate: initial commit |
| 22:03.23 | CIA-14 | - An addon for tracking hit/miss statistics against different mobs, levels, and at different hit ratings. |
| 22:04.26 | ckknight | HarveyDent: impossible, they're not buffs |
| 22:04.51 | HarveyDent | any way I can get them to show? or would you have to add them as something in pitbull? |
| 22:05.00 | HarveyDent | they show in the buff frame by default in the blizz UI |
| 22:05.17 | Ominous | yes but they arnt buffs |
| 22:05.19 | Ominous | its seperate code |
| 22:05.35 | Pkekyo | ckknight: is it possible in Parrot to get one certain spell to be shown in larger text or such? |
| 22:05.48 | ckknight | use a trigger |
| 22:07.37 | xyu | is !warmup still the best way to see which addons are mem hogs? or is there something else out there i could try? |
| 22:07.58 | Pkekyo | ckknight: would that work for when your spell reflect hits the target(caster) as well? can't find the right conditions |
| 22:08.07 | vhaarr | xyu: PerformanceFu |
| 22:08.15 | ckknight | dunno, busy |
| 22:08.41 | xyu | vhaarr: i thought that just told me how much memory was being used? oh wait i have miniperfsfu. maybe that's why. i'll try thx |
| 22:09.22 | HarveyDent | vhaarr: Can you make the add/change outfit screen mobile please? |
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| 22:11.42 | vhaarr | HarveyDent: I can not. |
| 22:11.47 | HarveyDent | crud |
| 22:13.11 | Arrowmaster | ... |
| 22:13.15 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather ruben |
| 22:13.19 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Ruben, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (34/24/3). 11827 HP; 9692 Armour; 1526 AP; 240.7 Melee DPS; 29.23% melee crit; 52 melee hit; 7.58% dodge; 5% block; 273 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 975 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2hbnvz ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2kx8jl ]] |
| 22:13.24 | Cyrez | I figured out what to do and I'm changing CIA's config. |
| 22:13.43 | CIA-14 | 03fin * r46479 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/Editbox.lua: Prat: Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/Editbox.lua: added option to set the strata of the editbox frame |
| 22:14.39 | Cyrez | K, I upped the line limit. |
| 22:15.01 | Cyrez | It defaults to 6 lines. |
| 22:15.43 | Cyrez | I quadrupled that. |
| 22:16.34 | ckknight | !c us cenarion circle glenda |
| 22:16.37 | ThraeBot | ckknight: Glenda, Level 46 Draenei Paladin (0/37/0). 2606 HP; 2159 Mana; 104 mana regen; 4214 Armour; 414 AP; 65.3 Melee DPS; 5.58% melee crit; 6.06% dodge; 5.12% block; 10 shadow resist (+10); +13 all resists (+10 shadow);[[ TBR: 491 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2xekly ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2ejfnh ]] |
| 22:16.40 | ckknight | hehe, neat |
| 22:17.02 | KarlThePagan | !c us kil'jaeden basic |
| 22:17.06 | ThraeBot | KarlThePagan: Basic, Level 70 Dwarf Priest (19/0/42). 10461 HP; 8895 Mana; 144 mana regen; 27 mp5; 17 spell crit; 70 spell hit; 724 +spell dmg/heal; 4.82% dodge; 194 resilience; 10 frost resist (+10);[[ TBR: 805 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yuea2d ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pox7c ]] |
| 22:17.14 | KarlThePagan | sweeet |
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| 22:18.44 | bindi | http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6803/allchatsny7.jpg http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/8245/normalxi9.jpg |
| 22:18.56 | bindi | anyone has a clue how to make those chatframes fold-unfoldable? |
| 22:19.00 | bindi | what addon that is |
| 22:19.15 | Mikk | dreamchat, no? |
| 22:19.31 | AKX | DreamChat, yeah, but it's broken. |
| 22:19.35 | *** part/#wowace Keya (n=patrick@xdsl-87-78-45-129.netcologne.de) |
| 22:19.43 | AKX | I think there's some other one, too. |
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| 22:20.23 | bindi | oh |
| 22:20.33 | bindi | would save a lot of space :p |
| 22:22.07 | bindi | tried recount today :x bit too memory intensive tbh |
| 22:22.25 | rubik | is it? i don't notice it lagging me down |
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| 22:22.48 | ckknight | memory usage does not mean fps loss |
| 22:22.53 | Trancer | Hmm.,, |
| 22:22.56 | Trancer | SCOX -72% |
| 22:23.04 | Trancer | *ouch* ;-) |
| 22:23.19 | rubik | yeah, let me rephrase.. i don't notice Recount running while it is so it's not affecting my gameplay one bit |
| 22:23.37 | bindi | true |
| 22:23.41 | Cyrez | FPS loss comes from CPU time. |
| 22:24.02 | rubik | or from the stairways in Karazhan |
| 22:24.05 | rubik | :P |
| 22:24.21 | bindi | :D |
| 22:24.41 | bindi | or from bad computers |
| 22:24.45 | Cyrez | I wish WoW had better multithreading. |
| 22:24.53 | Cyrez | Mmmm, that'd be sexy. |
| 22:25.01 | Trancer | Hmmhmh.... |
| 22:25.03 | Cyrez | Game world on one thread and UI on another. |
| 22:25.09 | rubik | better multithreading or some multithreading? |
| 22:25.13 | Trancer | If it did it's tempting to install it on a 2U box :D~ |
| 22:25.20 | Trancer | "Look at my Xeon crunching the statistics!" |
| 22:25.36 | Diao | rofl |
| 22:25.52 | Megalon | ah, ckknight here, i got an issue with parrot |
| 22:25.58 | Cyrez | Well, Blizz tried to at least make it not so screwy on multi-core systems. |
| 22:26.08 | Cyrez | So that counts for something. |
| 22:26.31 | rubik | yeah.. i guess i've been lucky and have had zero issues on my amd x2.. *knock on wood* |
| 22:26.50 | rubik | was scared a bit before getting the cpu, i remember |
| 22:27.36 | Cyrez | My sister's boyfriend is giving me a dual-core rig for my birthday. |
| 22:27.44 | Trancer | Eh.. mkay |
| 22:27.53 | rubik | wtb sister |
| 22:28.17 | Cyrez | It's his "old" computer, lol. |
| 22:28.23 | Trancer | linux sees this box as having 32 processors :D |
| 22:28.31 | Trancer | dual quad core with hyperthreading ftw :D~ |
| 22:28.54 | Trancer | I really wonder how a game that can do threading will perform on that |
| 22:29.04 | Trancer | (with processors not optimized for it) |
| 22:29.44 | Trancer | and Cyrez.. your sisters bf is a freak :P |
| 22:30.05 | Cyrez | Nah, he's not really a freak. |
| 22:30.15 | Cyrez | But he is nosy to the point where you wanna hit him. |
| 22:30.26 | CIA-14 | 03fin * r46480 10FuBar_CustomMenuFu/CustomMenuFu.lua: |
| 22:30.26 | CIA-14 | FuBar_CustomMenuFu: |
| 22:30.26 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.26 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.57 | Cyrez | But an Athlon 64 x2 with 2GB RAM will cover some of my mental anguish. |
| 22:32.50 | Cyrez | Is fin up in here? |
| 22:35.03 | Cyrez | FuBar_CustomMenuFu's TOC needs updating. It still says 20000. |
| 22:36.26 | Silowyi | So, what do I need to do to get my addon downloading with externals. I have the externals property set up, but they aren't showing in the zip file |
| 22:38.13 | CIA-14 | 03Silowyi * r46481 10MissRate/: |
| 22:38.13 | CIA-14 | MissRate: |
| 22:38.13 | CIA-14 | - Updated externals |
| 22:38.15 | Silowyi | doing a commit would help |
| 22:38.17 | Silowyi | :P |
| 22:38.45 | Silowyi | or not... |
| 22:39.09 | Ominous | wait till 41mins past |
| 22:39.24 | Ominous | the zip scripts only runs at 20, 40 and 00 |
| 22:39.30 | Silowyi | oh |
| 22:39.36 | Silowyi | so in like... 1 minute :P |
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| 22:40.09 | Cyrez | That's why I use the CLI SVN. |
| 22:40.20 | Ominous | ? |
| 22:40.50 | Cyrez | In case I tell a dev about a bug in here and it's fixed two minutes later. |
| 22:41.04 | Cyrez | I don't have to wait. ^^ |
| 22:41.32 | Cyrez | Which is the whole reason behind my channel. |
| 22:41.41 | Cyrez | I like to noe the second something is fixed. |
| 22:42.49 | Cyrez | Speaking of which, the bot in #wowace-cia now has a 24-line limit instead of the 6-line default. |
| 22:43.11 | Cyrez | So it should hardly ever trim the logs, now. |
| 22:44.10 | ckknight | nice |
| 22:44.28 | Tinyboom | Cyrez: any way to change the channel so we at least are alloved to change nicks without leaving wowace-cia? ;) |
| 22:45.09 | Cyrez | Why can't you change nicks? |
| 22:45.24 | Tinyboom | gonna test, couldn't yesterday at least... |
| 22:46.05 | Tinyboom | Cyrez: [00:45] flexom #wowace-cia Cannot send to channel so cannot change nicks |
| 22:46.30 | Silowyi | it's cause the channel is moderated |
| 22:46.31 | Tinyboom | might be a setting on my end though....not sure |
| 22:46.45 | Cyrez | I can't fix that without turning off moderation. |
| 22:47.09 | Tinyboom | ok, then I'll live with it:p |
| 22:48.15 | Silowyi | it's because you occasionally see people who try to send messages by spam changing their nickname |
| 22:48.30 | Cyrez | It's a Freenode thing. |
| 22:48.35 | Silowyi | like /nick free_viagra_at /nick whatever_com |
| 22:48.39 | Cyrez | Not all servers are that way. |
| 22:48.40 | Silowyi | yup |
| 22:48.47 | Silowyi | yeah, not all, but a lot nowadays |
| 22:50.20 | Cyrez | There's join/part protection that I could said up if I had to, but I'd rather just ban the jerkoff and leave it at that. |
| 22:50.56 | Cyrez | On QuakeNet there's a channel mode to hide that stuff. |
| 22:53.28 | Silowyi | hmm apparently I did something wrong, because my addon is no longer listed on files.wowace.com though I can get it from the svn. |
| 22:55.18 | Diao | actually |
| 22:55.22 | Diao | you can change nicks |
| 22:55.25 | Diao | as long as the nick you change to |
| 22:55.26 | Diao | and from |
| 22:55.28 | Diao | are registered |
| 22:55.31 | Diao | iirc |
| 22:58.46 | Tinyboom | Diao: well, the nick i tried to change to and from are registered to me:) |
| 22:59.15 | Kain | is there a mod availabnle from ace to reposition the default position of the tooltip window? i spent some tiem today reorganizing stuff w/ mods like BarTender and ElkBuffBars but that freakin' tooltip screws teh pooch lol |
| 22:59.58 | Diao | oh |
| 22:59.58 | vithos | you can with Cowtips, among others |
| 22:59.59 | Diao | dunno then |
| 23:00.08 | Cyrez | Oh, wait a second... |
| 23:00.25 | Silowyi | hmm |
| 23:00.26 | Silowyi | yup |
| 23:00.27 | Cyrez | QuakeNet doesn't hide the quits/joins... |
| 23:00.29 | Silowyi | she's gone |
| 23:00.39 | Kain | cool ill give cowtips a try |
| 23:01.12 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46482 10Relog/units.lua: Relog - Fixes a bug where a unit gets deleted from being pushed out of logs then reappearing |
| 23:01.54 | Neebler | I have a massive hatred and contempt for the alliance in WSG. god they're ALL soooo bad |
| 23:02.01 | Cyrez | +u on QuakeNet just cuts the part/quit reasons but it doesn't actually hide the notices. |
| 23:02.07 | vithos | Cyrez: the server doing so would mean an irc client's internal address list would never get updated. you can do it clientside though, of course |
| 23:02.21 | Cyrez | Yeah, I noe that. |
| 23:02.24 | Cyrez | That's what I was saying. |
| 23:02.53 | Cyrez | Cutting the quit/join/part messages is purely client-side. |
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| 23:03.34 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 23:03.38 | Cyrez | Like in mIRC you can hide them but a script using them as a trigger can still fire and pick up the information and put it somewhere else. |
| 23:04.08 | Cyrez | Which I've done to put such messages into a window on another monitor in a 3-monitor setup I had at my dad's old work. |
| 23:04.19 | Cyrez | OMG, that was sex. |
| 23:06.09 | vithos | and not break tab completion/the nicklist if your client has one |
| 23:06.34 | Silowyi | grrr! |
| 23:06.54 | vithos | but freenode should really have a channel mode to disable the nick locking when +m is set |
| 23:06.56 | Silowyi | so my addon is in svn, but has disappeared from files.wowace.com |
| 23:07.01 | Silowyi | >.> |
| 23:08.01 | vithos | on the other hand, nicks aren't really the place to put afk information anyway. |
| 23:09.25 | Arrowmaster | Cyrez: freenode has a mode to keep people from talking try that, its +q *!*@* i think |
| 23:10.32 | Coruss | I wonder if there's any kind of addon to make WoW chat windows more IRC styled |
| 23:10.50 | KarlThePagan | WoWIM? |
| 23:10.58 | Coruss | since they support alot of IRC style functions anyways, mod'd chat, mod/voice enabling, kick, etc |
| 23:11.00 | KarlThePagan | WIM i think it was |
| 23:11.12 | KarlThePagan | ah you mean bans etc |
| 23:11.32 | KarlThePagan | better channel mgmt is on the PTR right now |
| 23:11.34 | Coruss | well mostly just mute, mod etc... I expect blizz will tie the voice chat functionality into those commands |
| 23:11.36 | KarlThePagan | I should check it out |
| 23:11.42 | KarlThePagan | yea looks like |
| 23:12.08 | Silowyi | wtb: ptr that isn't several weeks behind Europe |
| 23:12.18 | Coruss | ya I have the PTR client installed, haven't been on WoW at all lately, too much RL stuff happening |
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| 23:13.20 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 23:13.21 | Silowyi | nvm they DID add voice chat to the US ptr |
| 23:13.34 | Coruss | I thought the US ptr was ahead? |
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| 23:17.55 | Cyrez | There, now try changing your name. |
| 23:18.00 | Silowyi | actually I think atm they are the same |
| 23:18.29 | Silowyi | but I thought that voice went to the Euro PTR last week and to the US PTR this week... but it seems voice went to the US ptr last week too. |
| 23:19.50 | Arrowmaster | you do know that if your +o your allowed to change your name |
| 23:19.59 | Cyrez | Bah. |
| 23:20.04 | Cyrez | You try, then, lol. |
| 23:20.33 | Arrowmaster | nope |
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| 23:20.51 | Cyrez | Then I'm reverting to the old config. It's easier to manage. |
| 23:21.08 | Arrowmaster | wait |
| 23:21.12 | Arrowmaster | you fucked itup |
| 23:21.17 | Arrowmaster | you did a +b |
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| 23:21.32 | Arrowmaster | that means nobodys allowed to join |
| 23:21.38 | Cyrez | No, I didn't. |
| 23:22.17 | Cyrez | +q does a +b with a % in front of whatever you put in. |
| 23:22.18 | Arrowmaster | nvm |
| 23:23.06 | charon | anyone know what the record on a shadow labyrinth normal run is? just did one in about 50min and it felt like there was some room for optimization |
| 23:23.13 | charon | is it possible to do it in 30? ;) |
| 23:23.25 | Matrix110 | i guess so |
| 23:23.25 | CIA-14 | 03Silowyi * r46483 10MissRate/: |
| 23:23.25 | CIA-14 | MissRate: |
| 23:23.25 | CIA-14 | - Fixed externals |
| 23:24.29 | Matrix110 | 2 warrior 1 rogue 1 enh shammy 1 pala=insane dps output without any mana trouble anytime |
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| 23:28.07 | charon | well, had pretty much the opposite setup: bear ToL owl mage warlock |
| 23:28.18 | charon | but 3 innervates make up for it |
| 23:29.29 | charon | ah wrong, priest for healing, 2 innervates. |
| 23:30.26 | rubik | i think i did 2 shadow labs runs in 90 minutes once.. |
| 23:31.20 | rubik | warrior tank had to take shield off cause avoidance was too high and he had trouble getting rage.. and the priest drank a total of 1 water total (2 runs combined) |
| 23:32.17 | Diao | hmm |
| 23:32.21 | Diao | they need to nerf crowd control effects more in pvp |
| 23:32.24 | Diao | 9 sec max imo |
| 23:32.58 | Matrix110 | then nerf WF Whirlwind aswell please |
| 23:33.03 | Matrix110 | oh and Thunderclap |
| 23:33.07 | Matrix110 | Crippling Poison |
| 23:33.17 | Diao | well |
| 23:33.18 | Diao | thing is |
| 23:33.22 | Diao | too many classes can cheese you |
| 23:33.25 | Diao | by cc and capping flag |
| 23:33.29 | Diao | instead of killing the defender first |
| 23:33.36 | Matrix110 | oh in BGs |
| 23:33.41 | Matrix110 | well trinket ftw |
| 23:33.44 | Diao | yeah |
| 23:33.44 | Diao | but |
| 23:33.45 | Matrix110 | or def with 2 |
| 23:33.46 | Diao | when it's on cd |
| 23:33.52 | Diao | and leaving 2 to d means you can't push as well |
| 23:33.58 | Diao | heck i've even seen some geared mages |
| 23:34.02 | Diao | 2 shot 1 person with pom pyro fireblast |
| 23:34.05 | Diao | and then sheep the other and cap |
| 23:34.09 | Diao | before anyone can respond lol |
| 23:34.40 | albADSASDASDASDD | arent they nerfing ccs to 8s |
| 23:34.46 | Diao | are they? |
| 23:34.50 | Diao | and why nerf thunderclap O_o |
| 23:34.57 | Diao | it's pretty near useless except against 2 classes |
| 23:34.58 | Diao | lol |
| 23:35.05 | albADSASDASDASDD | yeah haha |
| 23:35.18 | albADSASDASDASDD | first time i see someone complain about that |
| 23:35.54 | rubik | wait what? thunderclap was finally useful in PvE.. don't nerf it because of PvP |
| 23:36.00 | Diao | i don't think anyone has ever complained about tclap in pvp |
| 23:36.01 | Diao | ever |
| 23:36.08 | Diao | it's annoying at most but not gamechanging |
| 23:36.09 | Diao | lol |
| 23:36.13 | rubik | yeah.. first time i hear of it too.. hah |
| 23:36.22 | albADSASDASDASDD | it's great for breaking sheeps in pvp |
| 23:36.24 | Diao | and Matrix110 |
| 23:36.28 | Diao | wf ww |
| 23:36.30 | Diao | is already being nerfed |
| 23:36.33 | Diao | so you can't really say thta |
| 23:36.35 | Diao | that* |
| 23:36.41 | Diao | has already been nerfed i should say |
| 23:36.44 | Matrix110 | uhm i can even with the nerf:P |
| 23:36.49 | Diao | uhh |
| 23:36.50 | Diao | no |
| 23:36.53 | Diao | because wf can't proc off ww now |
| 23:36.55 | Diao | :P |
| 23:37.00 | Diao | so technically it's not even an issue |
| 23:37.03 | Matrix110 | doesnt matter |
| 23:37.13 | Diao | how can you nerf something that doesn't exist |
| 23:37.14 | Diao | >.> |
| 23:37.19 | albADSASDASDASDD | "then nerf WF Whirlwind aswell please" |
| 23:37.22 | albADSASDASDASDD | and they are |
| 23:37.25 | Diao | not are |
| 23:37.26 | Diao | already did |
| 23:37.27 | Diao | it was hotfixed |
| 23:37.31 | albADSASDASDASDD | ah right |
| 23:37.39 | Matrix110 | and i meant nerf WF and nerf Whirlwind |
| 23:37.45 | Diao | ... |
| 23:37.47 | Diao | if you nerf ww |
| 23:37.50 | Diao | warriors have no aoe whatsoever |
| 23:37.55 | Diao | that's like |
| 23:37.59 | Diao | take away seed of corruption |
| 23:38.02 | Diao | and arcane explosion |
| 23:38.03 | Matrix110 | the question is if warriors should have aoe |
| 23:38.08 | albADSASDASDASDD | makes more sense complaining about ms and ww |
| 23:38.11 | Diao | of course they should |
| 23:38.12 | albADSASDASDASDD | than* |
| 23:39.14 | Diao | every other class |
| 23:39.16 | Diao | has a natural aoe of some sort |
| 23:39.19 | Diao | why shouldn't warriors |
| 23:39.21 | Diao | :P |
| 23:39.29 | Matrix110 | What i hate about WF is that its so useless to destroy the damn totem as it stays for upto 10secs on the weapon and then there is already another totem-.- |
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| 23:39.48 | Mecdemort | Is there a way to find out if the curser has focus on something and if so paste something to it within a function? |
| 23:39.56 | *** part/#wowace Ominous_ (i=HydraIRC@81-179-123-42.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 23:40.24 | Diao | !api getmousefocus |
| 23:40.26 | ThraeBot | Diao: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_getmousefocus |
| 23:40.30 | Diao | :| |
| 23:40.37 | Diao | !api GetMouseFocus |
| 23:40.38 | ThraeBot | Diao: I just said that 14s ago. |
| 23:40.43 | Matrix110 | !api blubbblubbblubb??? |
| 23:40.44 | Mecdemort | lol |
| 23:40.44 | ThraeBot | Matrix110: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_blubbblubbblubb??? |
| 23:40.44 | Diao | lies! |
| 23:40.49 | Diao | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetMouseFocus |
| 23:40.51 | Diao | thrae's bot |
| 23:40.56 | Diao | doesn't have caps search :( |
| 23:41.13 | Mecdemort | !api GetMouseFocus |
| 23:41.15 | ThraeBot | Mecdemort: frameID = GetMouseFocus(); -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetMouseFocus |
| 23:41.24 | Mecdemort | well thats no good |
| 23:41.49 | Diao | ? |
| 23:42.23 | Mecdemort | i think thats for the mouse itself not where you're typing |
| 23:43.20 | Diao | ? |
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| 23:43.25 | Diao | what do you mean? |
| 23:43.38 | Diao | ohh |
| 23:43.43 | Diao | you meant text cursor |
| 23:43.45 | Diao | and not mouse cursor? |
| 23:43.45 | Mecdemort | yes |
| 23:43.49 | Mecdemort | sorry |
| 23:43.51 | mitch0 | mecdemort: hey, you're the one with the RangeDisplay problem, right? have you tried the workaround I posted? |
| 23:44.11 | Diao | oh |
| 23:44.28 | Mecdemort | mitch0: i actually havent gotten the problem recently so im waiting until i do |
| 23:44.57 | mitch0 | oh, ok then |
| 23:45.17 | mitch0 | would be nice to find out which addon taints it though |
| 23:45.18 | Mecdemort | Diao: I basically want to either paste an item link to the current text cursor, or the default chat frame if there isnt currently text input |
| 23:45.41 | Mecdemort | mitch0: I'm not very keen on the whole tainting part of the UI yet so I don't even know what to look for. |
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| 23:46.08 | Diao | oh |
| 23:46.10 | Diao | hmm |
| 23:47.47 | Xinhuan | when ADDON_LOADED is fired, is the savedvariables for that addon gauranteed to have been loaded? |
| 23:48.50 | Mecdemort | yes |
| 23:48.51 | SaladFork | Gah, anyone want to help me with a really newbie problem? |
| 23:49.04 | JoshBorke | sure |
| 23:49.20 | Nandini | SaladFork? There is no spoon? |
| 23:49.21 | SaladFork | Do you want my full code, or just the relevant sections (before I start)? |
| 23:49.27 | SaladFork | nandi - Unfortunately so |
| 23:50.12 | mitch0 | salad: before you start pasting stuff here: ace.pastey.net |
| 23:50.33 | Mecdemort | Diao: i cant find anything about getting focus |
| 23:50.48 | SaladFork | Mitch - I already have a custom subdomain |
| 23:50.49 | SaladFork | But thanks |
| 23:50.55 | SaladFork | Just curious as to which you guys tend to do |
| 23:50.59 | SaladFork | Paste full code, or just relevant sections |
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| 23:51.20 | Mecdemort | I'd do full code |
| 23:51.27 | Mecdemort | use the pasty.net link |
| 23:51.32 | SaladFork | I'm getting an error with code that worked fine for my other addon, but doesn't work in this addon |
| 23:51.33 | SaladFork | k |
| 23:51.35 | SaladFork | http://sf.pastey.net/72146-ucc0 |
| 23:51.36 | SaladFork | Is the code |
| 23:51.55 | SaladFork | Error is |
| 23:52.04 | SaladFork | args.set.args.intellect: "getInt" is not a proper function |
| 23:52.13 | SaladFork | Oops |
| 23:52.14 | SaladFork | Wait |
| 23:52.15 | SaladFork | That's old code |
| 23:52.18 | SaladFork | That was my workaround |
| 23:52.20 | SaladFork | Which is now failing |
| 23:52.22 | SaladFork | one sec, =) |
| 23:52.54 | SaladFork | http://sf.pastey.net/72198 |
| 23:53.09 | SaladFork | args.set.args.intellect: "getInt" is not a proper function |
| 23:53.11 | SaladFork | line 45 |
| 23:53.44 | SaladFork | It worked fine for my other addon, I'm curious what silly mistake I made to make it not work in this one |
| 23:53.45 | JoshBorke | get a stack trace to show what is erroring |
| 23:53.57 | SaladFork | Okay, you'll have to help me with that, XD |
| 23:54.10 | JoshBorke | install Swatter or BugSack or some other error handler |
| 23:54.11 | SaladFork | Would the !Swatter error help? |
| 23:54.24 | SaladFork | Okay, pastey-ing it |
| 23:54.25 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 23:54.33 | SaladFork | http://sf.pastey.net/72199 |
| 23:55.51 | SaladFork | Excuse the long list of ~150 addons |
| 23:56.16 | JoshBorke | don't care about that, the error is being thrown by Ace so you need to figure out why |
| 23:56.36 | SaladFork | Well, the error itself states getInt is not a proper function |
| 23:56.42 | SaladFork | But it certainly looks like it is to me |
| 23:56.49 | SaladFork | I even added in a nil check to make sure it would work |
| 23:57.00 | SaladFork | And like I said, the method I'm using to do it worked fine for another addon |
| 23:57.01 | SaladFork | =\ |
| 23:57.06 | Mecdemort | weird, i cant figure it out |
| 23:57.30 | SaladFork | Also |
| 23:57.35 | SaladFork | If I type /print WhatIf:getInt() |
| 23:57.36 | SaladFork | in game |
| 23:57.42 | SaladFork | It correctly prints 0 |
| 23:58.20 | Mecdemort | try setting it as: get = function() WhatIf:getInt() end, |
| 23:58.27 | SaladFork | That seems like a redundant workaround |
| 23:58.29 | SaladFork | but okay |
| 23:58.36 | Mecdemort | err: get = function() return WhatIf:getInt() end, |
| 23:58.39 | SaladFork | k |
| 23:58.44 | SaladFork | I'll do the same for the set and validate too |
| 23:58.51 | Mecdemort | redundant but see if it works |
| 23:58.53 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46484 10Recount/Tracker.lua: Recount - Bug fix related to syncing for heal corrections |
| 23:59.13 | SaladFork | Reloading |
| 23:59.48 | SaladFork | That worked. |
| 23:59.56 | Mecdemort | ya i thought so... i'm getting similar problems |
| 23:59.57 | SaladFork | But I'd rather not use a workaround and fix the root problem, >.< |
