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| 00:09.53 | xyu | Are there any other addons similar to deuceCommander? |
| 00:11.45 | mikma | waterfall |
| 00:14.13 | Cyrez | Well, Niagara, more precisely. |
| 00:14.27 | Cyrez | Waterfall is the lib. |
| 00:15.45 | jme | so um |
| 00:15.52 | jme | pitbull can do player portraits, right? |
| 00:15.56 | jme | i can't find the option :/ |
| 00:16.15 | Rccsv | If you can't find it, you need to enable the portrait module. |
| 00:16.21 | jme | hmm |
| 00:16.25 | ulic | it's in other |
| 00:16.35 | jme | ahhhhh |
| 00:17.54 | Rccsv | Anyone done some extensive parsing of the armory? I'm looking for an easier way to get enchant text short of requesting item-tooltip.xml with character info. |
| 00:18.38 | ckknight | hey all |
| 00:19.10 | Cyrez | Yo! ^^ |
| 00:19.56 | silentium | isnt Fubar_ModMenuToFu similar to deuceCommander? (as in, offer config for all installed and compatible addons) |
| 00:20.21 | CIA-14 | 03nargiddley * r46225 10Baggins/Baggins.lua: Baggins: Add new Category Editor, Improvements to the New Bag Editor |
| 00:20.34 | Codayus | Rccsv: Check out http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t14035-how_get_xml_php_armory/ |
| 00:20.40 | Codayus | Might be some useful info there. |
| 00:21.18 | jme | i just converted one of our pallies to pitbull frames |
| 00:21.20 | jme | :D |
| 00:21.32 | Rccsv | Codayus, yeah; I skimmed over that. I'll have a closer look, cheers. |
| 00:21.34 | JoshBorke | Cryect: ping |
| 00:21.43 | JoshBorke | Cryect: i got the realtime bug again in recount |
| 00:22.09 | JoshBorke | Cryect: also, how do i get the deathlog in recount or is that relog? |
| 00:23.34 | Rccsv | Codayus, yeah, it doesn't seem to go into the detail I need. I'll have to poke around myself. |
| 00:23.44 | Codayus | Sorry. :-) |
| 00:28.14 | Cyrez | ckknight: I noticed a little minute cosmetic detail in CowTip... Could a visible Health/Power bar become the tooltip's new edge? As it is, the bars can end up off-screen when they're dragged toward the edge or anchored to it. |
| 00:28.29 | ckknight | no, it can't |
| 00:28.49 | Cyrez | Nuts. >< |
| 00:29.07 | CIA-14 | 03toadkiller * r46226 10AutoBar/libs/: |
| 00:29.07 | CIA-14 | AutoBar: |
| 00:29.07 | CIA-14 | -- Add tablet waterfal & fubar |
| 00:29.57 | Cyrez | Could the screen anchoring nudge it slightly if it knows there's a bar set up on that side, maybe? |
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| 01:04.56 | mitch1 | ckknight: dunno if you got my last message, but anyway: I've tested the ChangeHidden('raid') thing pulling the party frames with it bug. I inserted the InCombatLockDown() check in there, didn't help. it happens OOC, too. but now I'm falling off the chair. nighty night everyone |
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| 01:08.32 | ckknight | Cyrez is the chupacabra, can't be trusted. |
| 01:10.09 | CIA-14 | 03nargiddley * r46227 10Baggins/ (Baggins-enUS.lua Baggins.lua): |
| 01:10.09 | CIA-14 | Baggins: Localize the New Bag/Category Editor |
| 01:10.09 | CIA-14 | - Add last of the old functionality to the New Editor |
| 01:10.09 | CIA-14 | - Disable the old Bag/Category Edit Tablets |
| 01:13.47 | CIA-14 | 03nargiddley * r46228 10Baggins/ (Baggins-Filtering.lua Baggins.lua): Baggins: Remove References to the old edit tablets |
| 01:15.49 | kergoth | ugh, i only did 500dps according to wws in this pug slave pens heroic.. even back on a mutilate build it shouldnt be that low :( |
| 01:18.52 | CIA-14 | 03sylvanaar * r46229 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/PlayerNames.lua: Prat: fix nil error |
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| 01:19.45 | sylvanaar | i never knew there could be 8 warmasters - ive been playing this stupid game for years and didnt know that |
| 01:20.00 | Xinhuan | :o |
| 01:20.09 | sylvanaar | i always thought it was 4 |
| 01:21.34 | Amadeo | bah, the character copy queue on PTR is lame |
| 01:21.47 | Diao | lol |
| 01:21.54 | Diao | the warmasters are based on the towers in av |
| 01:21.55 | Amadeo | I copied at 2 days, now the queue says 11 days...so I should get mine in 2? Nope, it's been 3, and nothing! |
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| 01:22.01 | Diao | you can have 0 warmasters too |
| 01:22.23 | sylvanaar | yeah, there are 8 warmasters possible and 8 marshalls, i thought it was 4/4 |
| 01:22.30 | Diao | hehe |
| 01:24.21 | sylvanaar | well, the 4 that are there at the start never say anything |
| 01:26.44 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: theres always a total of 8 warmasters/marshalls until one gets killed |
| 01:27.16 | Arrowmaster | when a tower is destoried the side that lost the tower loses a warmaster/marshall and the side that destroied it gets a warmaster/marshall |
| 01:27.57 | sylvanaar | i know that now - i just thought you gained 1 only |
| 01:28.42 | Arrowmaster | its one of those little things about av that gets overlooked when your doing a zerg race to kill the general |
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| 01:29.37 | Arrowmaster | its perty clear whos going to win when one side has to kill 8 elites before the general and the other doesnt have to kill any |
| 01:30.12 | Diao | yeah |
| 01:30.21 | sylvanaar | well the towers are usually indicative of that factions progress on the map anyways |
| 01:31.59 | sylvanaar | i still have an unfinished shredder quest on my warlock |
| 01:32.11 | Arrowmaster | back when the npcs were stronger in av and korrak was still at snowfall, i used to always attack stonehearth bunker first thing in any game unless i had a bunch of guildies with me |
| 01:32.24 | Arrowmaster | hehe i still have a korrak skull quest on my warlock |
| 01:32.43 | sylvanaar | i liked it better back then |
| 01:33.19 | Arrowmaster | token grinding was a bitch though for those 'for great honor' turnins |
| 01:33.28 | sylvanaar | lol yeah |
| 01:33.40 | Arrowmaster | wtb tokens for rep turnins again |
| 01:33.57 | Arrowmaster | still only honored with warsong |
| 01:34.13 | sylvanaar | the per faction turnins were awesome back when they had em |
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| 01:35.02 | Arrowmaster | if i didnt know how many damn games it would take to get exalted warsong for the title i might actually grind it, but i know its too many |
| 01:35.13 | sylvanaar | what title |
| 01:35.28 | Arrowmaster | the title for exalted in all 3 battlegrounds |
| 01:35.40 | sylvanaar | which is what |
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| 01:36.29 | Arrowmaster | i think the horde one is conqueror or soemthing |
| 01:36.48 | Arrowmaster | maybe alliance is vindicator? |
| 01:37.01 | Xinhuan | no its Justicar |
| 01:37.08 | Xinhuan | as stupid as a title can sound |
| 01:37.17 | Arrowmaster | wow needs more titles |
| 01:37.36 | Xinhuan | Scarab Lord ;p |
| 01:37.37 | Arrowmaster | i want a damn grand master angler title for winning the fishing contest |
| 01:38.01 | Arrowmaster | 0 scarab lords on my server |
| 01:38.12 | Xinhuan | 9 on my server. 4 original + 5 transfers LOL |
| 01:38.40 | Arrowmaster | well im not sure about the 0 but the 1 original transfered and i havent seen any others |
| 01:38.55 | Cyrez | What's a chupacabra? >< |
| 01:39.01 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 01:39.27 | Xinhuan | "how do you get that title?" |
| 01:39.41 | Xinhuan | "how did you get that mount pls?" |
| 01:40.05 | Arrowmaster | Cyrez: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chupacabra |
| 01:41.22 | Cyrez | Erm, okay. |
| 01:41.32 | Cyrez | Why did he call me that? </3 |
| 01:41.37 | Xinhuan | i still get those tells everyday :) |
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| 01:42.55 | sylvanaar | what is eve online like? |
| 01:43.01 | sylvanaar | anyone played it> |
| 01:46.55 | zac | a lot of eve advancement is based on time, not so much effort. but it's almost entirely player run, and pretty awesomely huge. |
| 01:47.32 | Xinhuan | "advancement is based on time" pretty much describes every MMO |
| 01:47.58 | Xinhuan | it wouldn't be fair if it isn't that way anyway |
| 01:48.01 | ccKep | in the 2.2 patch notes |
| 01:48.01 | zac | well, i mean literally time. you set it to train, and it takes x amount of hours to get it done |
| 01:48.08 | ccKep | "Tempest Keep and Coilfang raid bosses will now all drop at least 3 items each." << woot? |
| 01:48.32 | zac | somewhere between 1 hour and 4 days for the higher level skills, and you can only learn 1 skill at a time |
| 01:49.16 | Xinhuan | I hope they don't mean Fish Oil |
| 01:49.20 | Xinhuan | when they say "items" |
| 01:49.30 | ccKep | :o |
| 01:49.39 | ccKep | still need that damn hydross bracers |
| 01:49.52 | Xinhuan | i haven't ever seen the cloth robes drop |
| 01:49.56 | ccKep | guess I'll see those of winterchill first, stupid stuff |
| 01:50.17 | rubik | tempest keep and coilfang are raids? |
| 01:50.20 | rubik | since when? |
| 01:50.30 | ccKep | since ever? |
| 01:50.35 | ccKep | lady vashj, kael.. ever heard of them? |
| 01:51.12 | sylvanaar | i have never been to either raid instance |
| 01:51.14 | rubik | oh, lol.. guess not.. kept thinking the 5-man instances |
| 01:51.17 | Xinhuan | Tempest Keep and Coilfang raid bosses <-- the word raid is a adjective for boss, not a noun for TK and Coilfang |
| 01:52.39 | rubik | they should have said "The Eye and SSC raid bosses ..." |
| 01:52.43 | sylvanaar | eve looks ok - but it looks sorta snail-paced |
| 01:53.19 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: death is also a major setback, probably the biggest setback of any mmo |
| 01:53.19 | Xinhuan | [8/11 09:50:43] <zac> well, i mean literally time. you set it to train, and it takes x amount of hours to get it done |
| 01:53.25 | Xinhuan | its the perfect game for AFkers |
| 01:53.54 | sylvanaar | yeah, it says "the highest death penalty of any mmo" <- gay |
| 01:53.57 | zac | it's a really, really cool game, economy-wise. huge corporations control large sections of space, go to war with each other, etc. they secure shipping lanes, battle pirates, and a lot of other stuff |
| 01:54.15 | zac | well, you can put insurance on your ship. |
| 01:54.27 | zac | you gotta have a clone, too, in case someone pod-kills you. :o |
| 01:54.31 | sylvanaar | yes but you lose your implants still |
| 01:54.39 | Xinhuan | yeah, still everything i've heard about it points to the fact that the more you AFK, the better you are :o |
| 01:54.43 | Xinhuan | not sure how true that is |
| 01:54.52 | sylvanaar | no, you just log out |
| 01:54.57 | zac | you won't make a lot of money afking, but you'll get the training done |
| 01:55.00 | sylvanaar | the game keeps going |
| 01:55.22 | Xinhuan | so is there any possibility of newcomers catching up to old players? |
| 01:55.44 | zac | yeah, but a lot of the big corporations require a certain number of skill points (and hence time spent) |
| 01:56.43 | art3mis | so rumor has it there's gonna be another transformers in may of next year |
| 01:56.53 | sylvanaar | well, it sounds like you just gotta log in to start training, then log back in a couple days when the training is done |
| 01:57.11 | art3mis | rumored to be revived, the contructicons and the dino bots |
| 01:57.15 | zac | well, doing that, you'll be stuck in a frigate the whole time :) |
| 01:58.48 | sylvanaar | im going to try it out i suppose |
| 02:03.52 | sylvanaar | god damn there are alot of options just to start |
| 02:04.36 | zac | the intro tutorial is pretty good. teaches you a lot about it- but i did find the beginning missions to be very confusing (a lot of the starter NPCs aren't in an "instanced" area, so they're always dead) |
| 02:07.05 | Thorgard | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.13 | Thorgard | Err, mis-click |
| 02:11.11 | sylvanaar | "You have just spent some hours ferrying unrefined ore back and forth from the mining site..." |
| 02:11.26 | sylvanaar | im torn - it sounds really lame |
| 02:11.32 | sylvanaar | but cool at the same time |
| 02:13.27 | Keias | !ar 470 |
| 02:13.27 | ThraeBot | Keias: Arena rating from 470 points is, 2v2: 1735, 3v3: 1673, 5v5: 1582 |
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| 02:16.00 | CIA-14 | 03antiarc * r46230 10WhisperBid/WhisperBid.lua: WhisperBid: Fixed a problem with removed bids. |
| 02:17.07 | sylvanaar | ah, i see its all pvp - so you really dont want to be afk |
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| 02:18.08 | sag_ich_nicht | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/10/2148253 victory. |
| 02:18.22 | sylvanaar | pvp + high death penalty |
| 02:19.23 | zac | sylvanaar: well, there's different security level areas. 1.0 space is strongly enforced, 0.0 is no protection |
| 02:19.55 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 02:19.59 | zac | 0.0 space is the majority of the area. almost all of it is player-controlled... huge corporations, very large trade routes, and a lot of piracy (that the large corporations combat) - it's all really cool |
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| 02:20.10 | zac | when they come out with a mac client, i'll probably start playing (again) :o |
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| 02:23.24 | CIA-14 | 03nargiddley * r46231 10Baggins/ (Baggins-enUS.lua Baggins.lua): Baggins: Make opening at Auction House optional |
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| 02:25.03 | Sole | gday gday |
| 02:30.46 | CIA-14 | 03antiarc * r46232 10WhisperBid/WhisperBid.lua: WhisperBid: Fix various hooking problems that I have no idea how I reverted to. |
| 02:32.43 | CIA-14 | 03antiarc * r46233 10WhisperBid/WhisperBid.lua: WhisperBid: WTF why won't my changes stick. >:( |
| 02:33.22 | sylvanaar | im intrigued - because at first glance this game does not appear fun yet it has a number of players |
| 02:34.20 | Comxx | i tryed eve i did not like it that much |
| 02:39.21 | CIA-14 | 03nargiddley * r46234 10Baggins/ (Baggins-enUS.lua Baggins.lua): Baggins: Fix missing translation |
| 02:41.53 | sylvanaar | how important is race |
| 02:42.55 | zac | race, for the most part, determines what ships you can use. check out the screenshots - they're all different |
| 02:48.39 | zeeg | so |
| 02:48.45 | zeeg | http://wow.curse.com/forums/ -- what do you guys think (new forum interface) |
| 02:48.58 | ccKep | http://www.blizzplanet.com/coppermine/albums/wow-burning-crusade/instances/zulaman/Halazzi.jpg <<< something tells me this guy vanishes and there spawn tons of adds ^.^ |
| 02:51.22 | si-m1 | haha |
| 02:51.44 | Cryect | of course sb just quit :-p |
| 02:51.54 | Cryect | http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/591/relogtabledg4.jpg |
| 02:51.57 | JoshBorke | Cryect: ! |
| 02:52.17 | Cryect | hey JoshBorke |
| 02:52.24 | JoshBorke | you get my pings? |
| 02:52.31 | Cryect | let me search one sec |
| 02:52.50 | Cryect | Deathlog you get by going ot deaths |
| 02:52.59 | Cryect | then clicking on someone for the details |
| 02:53.15 | JoshBorke | ah, thanks |
| 02:53.24 | Cryect | any idea what caused the bug to occur or just seemed to get it randomly |
| 02:53.47 | JoshBorke | it's got to do with the config and mouseing over something |
| 02:53.51 | Thorgard | zeeg, my personaly opinion is too much cream. ;P |
| 02:53.51 | Cryect | well that narrows it down a little |
| 02:53.56 | Thorgard | -y |
| 02:54.22 | JoshBorke | you have to open the realtime graph first |
| 02:54.25 | Cryect | the tags and top contributors part is way too wide |
| 02:54.28 | JoshBorke | but you can then close it |
| 02:54.41 | Cryect | i wonder if its with changing fonts |
| 02:55.00 | Cryect | hey that worked :-p |
| 02:55.06 | Cryect | I just opened and closed a realtime |
| 02:55.07 | JoshBorke | it errors when i hover over ungrouped: deaths |
| 02:55.10 | Cryect | then opened config and it errors |
| 02:55.34 | JoshBorke | but then is fine |
| 02:55.35 | Cryect | well I will investigate that later now that I have a case |
| 02:55.49 | JoshBorke | now send dagh all your gold |
| 02:55.50 | Cryect | want to spend a little more time on relog |
| 02:55.52 | JoshBorke | as payment |
| 02:56.19 | Cryect | I need to unhardcode everything |
| 02:56.26 | Cryect | so you can specify the columns and filter |
| 02:57.16 | Cryect | also need to setup the columns when the window is resized or the columns are refreshed it checks to see if the text fits (only occurs if you resize the columns at the moment) |
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| 03:04.34 | zeeg | Thorgard, you try the dark theme? (even though its all screwed atm) |
| 03:05.25 | Kirkburn | How the hell do you use Linux? |
| 03:05.49 | Kirkburn | More specifically, how on earth do you install stuff |
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| 03:07.22 | zeeg | Kirkburn, you rm -rf *, and then install OS X or Windows |
| 03:07.23 | zeeg | :) |
| 03:07.48 | ulic | some would do rpm -ivh <package>, some apt-get <package>, some make; make install |
| 03:08.00 | zeeg | depends on the distro though Kirkburn |
| 03:09.23 | Kirkburn | I haven't a fucking clue what you just said |
| 03:09.38 | Kirkburn | This is my first time using linux |
| 03:09.50 | Kirkburn | Trying to update FF and install Skype |
| 03:09.59 | Kirkburn | (and xchat) |
| 03:10.09 | zeeg | any reason you're using linux Kirkburn? |
| 03:10.23 | Kirkburn | I have to, next question |
| 03:10.31 | zeeg | any reason they wont let you use os x? |
| 03:10.32 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 03:10.40 | zeeg | if its Wikia, tell them to stop being cheap :p |
| 03:10.47 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 03:10.48 | Kirkburn | Because it's what's installed |
| 03:11.03 | zeeg | oh |
| 03:11.04 | Antiarc | Kirkburn: Which distribution? |
| 03:11.08 | Kirkburn | Fedora |
| 03:11.09 | Antiarc | If it's redhat-based, yum install firefox |
| 03:11.11 | zeeg | you want pidgin I think |
| 03:11.12 | Antiarc | Okay, do that. |
| 03:11.15 | zeeg | or adium |
| 03:11.17 | zeeg | for messengers |
| 03:11.27 | Kirkburn | yum install firefox?? |
| 03:11.30 | Antiarc | yes |
| 03:11.32 | Antiarc | Run that as root |
| 03:11.33 | zeeg | Kirkburn, in console |
| 03:11.33 | Kirkburn | Speak english! |
| 03:11.38 | Antiarc | Open a terminal |
| 03:11.38 | cladhaire | LOL |
| 03:11.41 | zeeg | open a console, and type "sudo yum install firefox" |
| 03:11.45 | zeeg | yum is a package manager |
| 03:11.54 | Antiarc | He probably doesn't have sudoers set up |
| 03:11.59 | Antiarc | su - |
| 03:12.02 | Antiarc | Enter your root password |
| 03:12.07 | Antiarc | Then yum install firefox |
| 03:12.39 | Antiarc | Also, edit /etc/sudoers |
| 03:12.58 | Antiarc | Uncomment the line that read: |
| 03:13.01 | Antiarc | %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 03:13.06 | Antiarc | Then, edit /etc/groups |
| 03:13.14 | Antiarc | Err, /etc/group |
| 03:13.22 | Antiarc | And find wheel:x:10:root |
| 03:13.23 | zeeg | gluck, off to see rush hour :) |
| 03:13.29 | Antiarc | Change to wheel:x:10:root, <your login name> |
| 03:13.30 | Kirkburn | ah, seems this can't deal with anything better than 1.5 |
| 03:13.44 | Antiarc | Correct |
| 03:13.44 | Kirkburn | (It started downloading 1.5) |
| 03:14.09 | Kirkburn | *sigh* |
| 03:14.13 | Antiarc | after the group change, you can, as your normal login, type sudo <command> to execute a command as root |
| 03:14.25 | Kirkburn | Oh, I am root |
| 03:14.39 | Antiarc | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Firefox2 |
| 03:14.57 | Antiarc | Right. That change just lets you execute commands as root without becoming root |
| 03:15.06 | Antiarc | It's a convenience thing, and doesn't require you to keep entering your root PW |
| 03:15.42 | ckknight | so I saw a license plate today |
| 03:15.44 | ckknight | "lolz" |
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| 03:16.28 | ulic | according to fox tv that's a hacker gang, you should report them :) |
| 03:17.08 | ckknight | it's true, you know |
| 03:17.11 | ckknight | I met one of them |
| 03:17.21 | ckknight | he was anonymous, though |
| 03:17.29 | ulic | was his face all blurry? |
| 03:17.43 | ckknight | more silhouette-style |
| 03:17.48 | ulic | ah |
| 03:17.55 | ulic | muted voice? |
| 03:17.56 | ckknight | and had a really deep voice |
| 03:18.01 | ckknight | kinda robot-like |
| 03:18.05 | ulic | yea, you should totally report them :) |
| 03:18.11 | ckknight | totally |
| 03:18.36 | ckknight | I just wonder when they'll link hackers to pedophiles |
| 03:18.37 | ulic | damn you annoymous, stealing myspace accounts is wrong! |
| 03:18.40 | ckknight | the day will come, you know |
| 03:18.54 | ulic | I pray I've passed on by then. |
| 03:19.00 | ckknight | doubt it |
| 03:19.27 | ckknight | I mean, really? associating good, hardworking pedophiles with unsightly hackers ... just preposterous. |
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| 03:20.43 | Kirkburn | It's asking for libQt stuff |
| 03:20.46 | Kirkburn | And erroring |
| 03:20.53 | ckknight | the hackers? |
| 03:23.18 | Kirkburn | anyone? |
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| 03:24.47 | JoshBorke | gnome! |
| 03:25.12 | Kirkburn | Anyone know what to do about missing libqt stuff? |
| 03:25.30 | JoshBorke | install gnome devel? |
| 03:25.39 | JoshBorke | or is this wow related? |
| 03:25.52 | Kirkburn | read up?? |
| 03:26.03 | JoshBorke | i'm too busy crying i can't ding 120 |
| 03:26.04 | JoshBorke | erm, 20 |
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| 03:27.19 | Funkeh` | later folks |
| 03:27.34 | Antiarc | Kirkburn: Trying to do what? |
| 03:27.39 | Kirkburn | Install Skype |
| 03:28.00 | Antiarc | yum install libqt |
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| 03:28.05 | Kirkburn | not found |
| 03:28.14 | Antiarc | google up a libqt RPM |
| 03:28.16 | Antiarc | Download and install |
| 03:28.30 | JoshBorke | kirkburn: yum install skype |
| 03:28.46 | Kirkburn | "It's asking for libQt stuff" |
| 03:28.54 | Kirkburn | >_> |
| 03:28.55 | JoshBorke | which fedora? |
| 03:28.58 | Kirkburn | c5 |
| 03:29.04 | JoshBorke | why so old? |
| 03:29.11 | Kirkburn | don't ask me! |
| 03:29.21 | JoshBorke | quite stealing computers |
| 03:29.21 | Kirkburn | I've been lumbered with this |
| 03:29.21 | Antiarc | do a yum update to begin with :P |
| 03:29.48 | Kirkburn | am doing |
| 03:29.49 | JoshBorke | did you google skype fedora? |
| 03:30.04 | Kirkburn | Yes, already tried the skype rpm |
| 03:30.20 | Kirkburn | I don't think the latest skype works on c5 though |
| 03:30.53 | Antiarc | http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=29679 |
| 03:31.07 | JoshBorke | Kirkburn: did you add the skype repo to your yum repositories? |
| 03:31.23 | JoshBorke | as shown on: http://fedorasolved.org/multimedia-solutions/installing-skype/ |
| 03:31.34 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46235 10Relog/ (6 files): Relog - Now displays a log window filtered to just your events. Try playing around with the columns and resizing the window etc if you want (columns and filter are currently hard coded at the moment) |
| 03:31.36 | Kirkburn | I did exactly that last link |
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| 03:32.06 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46236 10Relog/textures/ (. otravi-semi-full-border.tga): Relog - Forgot to add textures |
| 03:32.07 | Kirkburn | And then ran, and it complained |
| 03:33.03 | Antiarc | try yum install libqt-mt |
| 03:33.25 | Kirkburn | no match |
| 03:33.46 | JoshBorke | what does yum search skype return? |
| 03:34.06 | Antiarc | yum list | grep qt |
| 03:34.12 | Antiarc | That tells me there's a qt package |
| 03:34.14 | Antiarc | So yum install qt |
| 03:34.34 | Kirkburn | That did stuff |
| 03:35.09 | Kirkburn | Thanks for all this help btw, much appreciated |
| 03:35.17 | Antiarc | No prob. It's easy once you learn the ropes |
| 03:35.24 | Antiarc | But coming from all-windows, it can be a bit of a learning curve |
| 03:35.26 | Antiarc | Been there, done that |
| 03:35.31 | Kirkburn | So, what is "yum"? |
| 03:35.54 | Antiarc | A package manager. It lets you install and uninstall packages remotely, and resolves dependencies |
| 03:36.04 | JoshBorke | yet another update manager |
| 03:36.05 | Antiarc | It's Fedora's answer to apt-get |
| 03:36.25 | Kirkburn | lol, still says missing dependency |
| 03:37.00 | Antiarc | which dependency? |
| 03:37.48 | Kirkburn | libqtnetwork.so.4 and others |
| 03:40.57 | Kirkburn | I have an idea |
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| 03:43.59 | Antiarc | yum install qt4 |
| 03:44.10 | Antiarc | http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=libQtNetwork.so.4 tells me that's the package that provides it |
| 03:44.48 | Kirkburn | ooh, just beat you :P |
| 03:44.57 | Kirkburn | I found this http://forum.skype.com/lofiversion/index.php/t91558.html |
| 03:45.24 | Kirkburn | Should I run the main software update thing after? |
| 03:45.29 | Antiarc | Sure |
| 03:45.41 | Kirkburn | yum update ... what does that do exactly? |
| 03:45.41 | Antiarc | that just makes sure everything you've installed is the latest |
| 03:45.44 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 03:45.48 | Kirkburn | 749M |
| 03:45.51 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46237 10Relog/GUI_Table.lua: Relog - Table columns now have a minimum width so can't be negative widths anymore |
| 03:45.55 | JoshBorke | it checks for and updates all packages it knows about |
| 03:46.16 | Kirkburn | Something to leave it doing overnight I guess |
| 03:46.18 | Antiarc | try yum help |
| 03:46.20 | Antiarc | That'll tell you about it |
| 03:46.43 | Kirkburn | There's a built in "Software Updater" prog that probably does much the same thing |
| 03:46.53 | Antiarc | Yes, it's just a GUI to it |
| 03:47.35 | Kirkburn | go skype, go skype! :P |
| 03:47.55 | Kirkburn | Basically this PC is being moved into the company apartment |
| 03:48.21 | Antiarc | I set up a Xen box the other day |
| 03:48.23 | Antiarc | It's pretty badass |
| 03:48.28 | Kirkburn | Which is where I am, so this is what I have to work with every night :/ |
| 03:48.35 | Kirkburn | What's Xen? |
| 03:48.42 | Antiarc | Virtualization setup for Fedora |
| 03:48.48 | Antiarc | So I have my host machine running a Xen kernel |
| 03:48.53 | Antiarc | And four VMs running inside the machine |
| 03:48.58 | Antiarc | So I have 5 copies of Fedora on one machine |
| 03:48.59 | JoshBorke | i found xen to be super slow :-/ |
| 03:49.01 | Antiarc | All running at once :P |
| 03:49.05 | Antiarc | Really? It's been blazing for me. |
| 03:49.13 | JoshBorke | yea, i dunno why |
| 03:49.22 | JoshBorke | 2.4 ghz core 2 duo, 2 gb ram |
| 03:49.25 | Antiarc | Were you running paravirtualized? |
| 03:49.31 | JoshBorke | only thing i can think is maybe it's my hard drive |
| 03:49.33 | JoshBorke | don't think so |
| 03:49.42 | Antiarc | HD I/O will murder VMs |
| 03:49.42 | Kirkburn | How old is c5 then? |
| 03:49.54 | Antiarc | 9, 10 months? |
| 03:51.06 | Kirkburn | Hmm, almost 18 |
| 03:51.22 | Kirkburn | http://fedoranews.org/cms/node/438 |
| 03:52.49 | Kirkburn | How well does linux deal with the progs being updated being open? |
| 03:53.28 | Antiarc | Just fine |
| 03:53.44 | Kirkburn | omg, skype! |
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| 03:56.55 | Kirkburn1 | xchat! :D |
| 03:56.59 | Arrowmaster | in linux if you run a binary executable then update it, the running program will think its still the same as when it was first started, which is why most upgrades on linux just require restarting of different things and not the entire system |
| 03:57.24 | Kirkburn | cool |
| 03:58.04 | Kirkburn | hmm, monitor really doesn't seem to like xchat |
| 03:58.08 | Kirkburn | It's all sparkly |
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| 03:58.56 | kergoth | Arrowmaster, it wont "think" its the same, the file it has open /is/ the same. linux just doesnt remove the file (old version) from disk until no applications have it open anymore |
| 03:59.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:59.24 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know |
| 04:00.02 | JoshBorke | heh, kirkburn going from vista to fedora core 5 |
| 04:00.09 | JoshBorke | who woulda thought |
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| 04:04.18 | CIA-14 | 03daviesh * r46238 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Boss-2.2/Babble-Boss-2.2.lua: |
| 04:04.18 | CIA-14 | Babble-2.2: |
| 04:04.18 | CIA-14 | -Added Baron Kazum, etc to Spanish translation |
| 04:06.30 | Kirkburn | JoshBorke: hehe |
| 04:06.36 | Kirkburn | Not thru choice, mind you! |
| 04:08.14 | Kirkburn | (20:02:43) [NewsBot]: WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/08/10/42-realms-down-for-48-hours/ |
| 04:16.19 | Diao | wow |
| 04:16.20 | Diao | they can't ocunt |
| 04:16.22 | Diao | there's only 34 realms |
| 04:16.23 | Diao | not 42 |
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| 04:22.32 | Arrowmaster | arent there 8 oceanic realms? |
| 04:23.24 | sylvanaar | god this game is slow |
| 04:24.04 | sylvanaar | i just set my ship to mine, and i can afk |
| 04:24.25 | Diao | lol |
| 04:24.58 | sylvanaar | then, i tab back in and tell it to go back and dock at the station |
| 04:25.12 | sylvanaar | why do i even need to do those steps at all |
| 04:25.19 | sylvanaar | lol |
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| 04:30.42 | Kirkburn | sylvanaar: EVE? |
| 04:30.57 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 04:31.13 | sylvanaar | i mining some asteroid |
| 04:31.14 | Kirkburn | Apart from it being slow, thoughts? |
| 04:31.43 | sylvanaar | well, it looks cool - but its hard to involve yourself |
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| 04:36.22 | sylvanaar | its like watching yourself while you are on a griffin in wow |
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| 04:55.19 | Comxx | sylvanaar Yeap it is =) |
| 05:05.57 | Neebler | [3. LocalDefense]: Sylvanaar is under attack! |
| 05:06.26 | ZealotOnAStick | Anyone have the time to really devote to a beta test, and interested in one, and can tell me why they should get an invite and why they'd be a good tester? |
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| 05:07.05 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 05:07.06 | Neebler | what does this beta entail? raiding? |
| 05:08.07 | Arrowmaster | whats the beta test for? |
| 05:08.50 | Cyrez | And what are the qualifications? |
| 05:09.51 | ZealotOnAStick | See, that's not how this works. You have to provide sufficiently compelling reasons not knowing what the game is, and so forth. |
| 05:10.45 | Arrowmaster | ive got plenty of free time right now, and would be interested depending on what its for |
| 05:11.36 | Arrowmaster | never been in a closed beta though, never seem to get invites even though i do open betas |
| 05:12.31 | ZealotOnAStick | let's say, suppose it was an action RPG, sort of diablo-esque. |
| 05:13.11 | Cyrez | There's a few things D2X had that I wish WoW had. >< |
| 05:13.24 | Arrowmaster | i think i still have d2x installed |
| 05:13.38 | Cyrez | Ditto, but all my toons expired, lol. |
| 05:13.41 | ZealotOnAStick | I kinda miss my Assassin now and then. |
| 05:13.48 | Neebler | ITS CATURDAY YET LULZ??? |
| 05:13.53 | Arrowmaster | i never played much on realms |
| 05:14.12 | Cyrez | Single player? |
| 05:14.36 | Arrowmaster | some, mostly played mods though |
| 05:14.47 | Cyrez | OMG, I had some hacked armor I made for myself just for the heck of it for single player. |
| 05:15.10 | Cyrez | It had no requirements to wear but it was so powerful that you could just run around and stuff dies. |
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| 05:24.35 | Kemayo | ZealotOnAStick: I am awesome. I am in your beta, finding your bugs. |
| 05:26.29 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46239 10Relog/ (GUI_Table.lua units.lua): Relog - Fixes a bug |
| 05:26.46 | Cyrez | I find bugs. </3 |
| 05:28.58 | CIA-14 | 03ktrigger * r46240 10Numen/ (NumenData.lua Numen_Data.lua): |
| 05:28.58 | CIA-14 | Numen: |
| 05:28.58 | CIA-14 | - Renamed Numen_Data.lua. |
| 05:35.00 | Cyrez | I don't get to be part of anything that draws attention to me. >< |
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| 05:52.23 | sylvanaar | omg, now that i have found eve - i no longer need xanax to sleep |
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| 05:53.24 | sylvanaar | ill just pop kingdom hearts 2 into my ps2 for the intro music - and i'll be asleep in seconds |
| 05:54.35 | CIA-14 | 03nargiddley * r46241 10Baggins/ (Baggins-enUS.lua Baggins.lua): Baggins: Fix for Copy From dewdrop not working |
| 05:59.09 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46242 10Relog/parse.lua: Relog - Fix for filtering when the log is looping |
| 05:59.10 | ckknight | lol, sylvanaar |
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| 06:07.55 | art3mis | http://www.masturbate-a-thon.com/participate.php |
| 06:09.14 | art3mis | ^^ zealots beta "game" ;) |
| 06:10.15 | CIA-14 | 03daviesh * r46243 10AtlasLoot_WorldLoot/ (AtlasLoot_WorldLoot.toc WorldEvents.en.lua): |
| 06:10.15 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot_WorldLoot: |
| 06:10.15 | CIA-14 | -Added the world events file. Not currently accessed by menus, work in progress |
| 06:10.43 | CIA-14 | 03daviesh * r46244 10AtlasLoot/Core/ (AtlasLoot.lua Search.lua): |
| 06:10.43 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 06:10.43 | CIA-14 | -Added references to the world events dataset |
| 06:11.59 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46245 10Relog/ (GUI_Table.lua textures/resize.blp): Relog - Adds a cursor for when resizing columns |
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| 06:18.13 | CIA-14 | 03ktrigger * r46246 10Numen/ (Numen_Data.lua locales/enUS.lua): |
| 06:18.13 | CIA-14 | Numen: |
| 06:18.13 | CIA-14 | - Cleaned up locales/enUS.lua. |
| 06:18.13 | CIA-14 | - Setup structure for Numen_Data.lua. |
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| 06:30.01 | CIA-14 | Numen: |
| 06:30.01 | CIA-14 | - Added all totems and weapon buffs to data table |
| 06:31.54 | CIA-14 | 03syntherift * r46248 10Numen/Numen_Data.lua: |
| 06:31.54 | CIA-14 | Numen: |
| 06:31.54 | CIA-14 | - Fixed my stupid oversight |
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| 06:36.13 | CIA-14 | 03ktrigger * r46249 10Numen/Numen_Data.lua: |
| 06:36.13 | CIA-14 | Numen: |
| 06:36.13 | CIA-14 | - Fixed typo in Numen_Data.lua. |
| 06:41.42 | Guillotine | how fast is comparing huge tables? |
| 06:42.51 | Nargiddley | comparing how ? |
| 06:42.59 | CIA-14 | 03deccard * r46250 10MiniChat/Core.lua: |
| 06:42.59 | CIA-14 | MiniChat: |
| 06:42.59 | CIA-14 | - added option to toggle clamping to screen |
| 06:43.47 | Guillotine | Nargiddley: tablea==tableb |
| 06:44.03 | Guillotine | basically, I have huge tables of data I want to merge. But no point in merging them if they are equal |
| 06:44.14 | Nargiddley | that will always return false then |
| 06:44.44 | Nargiddley | that only checks if tablea is a reference to the same table as tableb |
| 06:44.52 | Nargiddley | not if thier contents are the same |
| 06:45.02 | Guillotine | ah, true |
| 06:45.23 | Guillotine | so I guess I have to go with the cache idea |
| 06:45.36 | Guillotine | how to figure out a way to get a cache of the table that isn't too memory intensive :/ |
| 06:45.42 | Nargiddley | cache ? |
| 06:45.51 | Guillotine | sorry, hash |
| 06:45.56 | Guillotine | I'm using the wrong word alot today |
| 06:45.56 | Nargiddley | ahh |
| 06:46.48 | Nargiddley | what do the tables contain ? |
| 06:47.44 | Guillotine | example table: http://guillotine.pastey.net/72052 |
| 06:47.51 | Guillotine | though the real ones will be MANY times as big |
| 06:50.15 | Nargiddley | how would the same be defined, i'm guessing that those keys will be unique for an entry ? |
| 06:53.59 | Guillotine | yes |
| 06:54.03 | Guillotine | those are time based keys |
| 06:54.09 | Guillotine | based on when they were created |
| 06:54.50 | Nargiddley | so same key = same entry when comparing tables ? |
| 06:54.57 | Guillotine | yes |
| 06:55.15 | Guillotine | so really I just need a way to compare the keys |
| 06:55.44 | Nargiddley | yeah, i guess just adding up all the keys would be an ok hash to compare on |
| 06:56.22 | Nargiddley | might be a better way to lessen the chance of collisions but dunno if its worth it |
| 06:56.29 | Guillotine | right |
| 06:56.44 | Guillotine | I think, the way this works, a collision wouldn't be the end of the world |
| 06:56.46 | Guillotine | so I may just do that |
| 06:57.36 | Nargiddley | will it be merging new entrys from one table into the other ? |
| 06:57.48 | Guillotine | yes |
| 06:57.53 | Guillotine | I already have a function for that |
| 06:58.00 | Nargiddley | might just be faster to do it then |
| 06:58.48 | Guillotine | with the size of the tables though, I'm having to use coroutines to do this without freezing WoW. And its kind of hard to start running a further merge on a table if there is already one going |
| 06:59.00 | Nargiddley | hm |
| 06:59.03 | Guillotine | so I'd rather just not merge if theres no need |
| 06:59.16 | Guillotine | so far the hash seems to be the best idea |
| 06:59.31 | Nargiddley | maybe just checking for new keys would be just as fast |
| 06:59.58 | Guillotine | checking for new keys? how so? Just looping through the new table and check if those keys exist in the old one? |
| 07:00.07 | Nargiddley | function needsmerge() for k in pairs(table2) do if not table1[k] then return true end return false end |
| 07:00.15 | Guillotine | right |
| 07:00.26 | Guillotine | well, that would return on the first loop, but I know what you mean :P |
| 07:00.44 | Guillotine | the problem is, with the size of the tables, that may freeze the game |
| 07:00.46 | Nargiddley | meh missed an end |
| 07:01.02 | Nargiddley | well if thats going to freeze the game, then the hashing function would as well |
| 07:01.14 | Guillotine | I can put the hashing function on a coroutine |
| 07:01.17 | Guillotine | and only have to do it once |
| 07:01.21 | Guillotine | until I recieve a different table |
| 07:01.29 | Guillotine | actually, once period |
| 07:01.38 | Guillotine | since the person sending the second table will send the hash as well |
| 07:01.45 | Nargiddley | hm |
| 07:01.48 | Guillotine | then I just have to hash the combined table |
| 07:01.56 | Nargiddley | yeah thats an advantage |
| 07:02.16 | Nargiddley | send the hash before sending the table in that case |
| 07:02.45 | Guillotine | right |
| 07:03.03 | Guillotine | send the hash, if anyone needs the new table they request it |
| 07:04.13 | Nargiddley | if the table is that big, sending the whole thing seems wasteful |
| 07:05.32 | Guillotine | Yet doing it key by key would simply take too long due to turnaround times of messages |
| 07:05.37 | Nargiddley | the list of keys would compress well tho since its just numbers, then request the ones you need ? |
| 07:06.09 | Nargiddley | is the comm going out over a shared channel or one to one ? |
| 07:06.15 | Guillotine | shared |
| 07:06.23 | Guillotine | "GUILD" |
| 07:06.31 | Nargiddley | and syncing from whoever has newer data i guess ? |
| 07:06.37 | Guillotine | nope |
| 07:06.42 | Guillotine | its using HiveMind distribution |
| 07:06.53 | Guillotine | so rather than storing data, it stores the actions used to produce that data |
| 07:06.57 | Nargiddley | well anyone with an entry someone else doesnt |
| 07:07.05 | Guillotine | right. but there no way to know that |
| 07:07.19 | Guillotine | since I may have an entry 2 weeks back that you don't while you have a ton of new things I don't |
| 07:08.13 | Nargiddley | does an entry ever expire ? |
| 07:08.30 | Guillotine | 1 week after its target |
| 07:08.39 | Guillotine | might help if I explain exactly what I'm doing |
| 07:08.47 | Guillotine | its a raid calendar that allows for signups |
| 07:08.48 | Nargiddley | i have an idea from the data |
| 07:08.50 | Nargiddley | yeah |
| 07:09.11 | Nargiddley | i would think something better than sending the whole list could work |
| 07:10.20 | Guillotine | the idea of compressing the list of possessed keys may work |
| 07:10.23 | Nargiddley | like, advertise which keys you have, others can reply with keys they are missing, then after everyone has a chance to request send the missing ones |
| 07:11.10 | Guillotine | hmm |
| 07:13.11 | Nargiddley | the 2nd step could be keys that aren't in the advertised list as well |
| 07:13.56 | [Ammo] | morning girls |
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| 07:14.36 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 07:14.36 | CIA-14 | - Added table names for the new events. |
| 07:16.19 | CIA-14 | 03nargiddley * r46252 10Baggins/ (5 files): Baggins: Split Options and Skins into separate files |
| 07:26.57 | sedai| | oman :D |
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| 07:35.58 | Heri1 | anyone else's server's trade channel plague by warp slicer spam? |
| 07:36.11 | Roartindon | warp slicer spam? |
| 07:36.14 | Diao | thunderfury for us |
| 07:36.19 | Diao | and now warglaive of azzinoth |
| 07:36.22 | Heri1 | people constantly linking warp slicer |
| 07:36.28 | Fisker- | hahaha Heri1 |
| 07:36.30 | Fisker- | it's spreading |
| 07:36.37 | Heri1 | and things like "oh no, I just fell on my warp slicer! |
| 07:36.41 | Diao | yeah |
| 07:36.45 | Diao | it's been like that on blackrock forever |
| 07:36.47 | Diao | except with thunderfury |
| 07:36.51 | Fisker- | A couple of months ago i had the idea of just linking Thunderfury a couple of times in trade |
| 07:36.57 | Heri1 | I'm gonna wrote a mod to block that kind of crap methinks |
| 07:36.58 | Fisker- | and everyone just did it :P |
| 07:39.09 | CIA-14 | 03daviesh * r46253 10AtlasLoot/ (9 files in 4 dirs): |
| 07:39.09 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 07:39.09 | CIA-14 | - Added World Events section |
| 07:39.09 | CIA-14 | - Rearranged the Atlas panel |
| 07:39.09 | CIA-14 | - Added a button to allow all LoD modules to be loaded at once |
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| 07:57.07 | Cyrez | I wanna go through the trouble of getting Thunderfury just to see my midget Warrior lugging that big sucker around. |
| 07:58.32 | Diao | weird |
| 07:58.37 | Diao | ever since latest update |
| 07:58.38 | Diao | [2007/08/11 00:58:45-1349-x1]: SimpleCombatLog-1.2.0.43326\opt_gui_filter.lua:164: bad argument #2 to 'format' (string expected, got nil) |
| 07:58.52 | Diao | i've been spammed with that |
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| 08:14.49 | Grum_ | Does wow+lua have any buildin or library i can use to find the index(es) of a value in a table? or is the only 'sensible' way making a rev_t where i toss around the k,v to create a lookup? |
| 08:16.55 | Grum_ | aka: i have t = {4,5,6} and i want to know the index of '6'... |
| 08:17.56 | Guillotine | think you just have to loop through it checking |
| 08:18.49 | Grum_ | Guillotine: well i'm presumably going to work with an unlimited size table |
| 08:19.06 | Grum_ | humz but as i am also changing the data ... bah there is no 'nice' way of doing it ;( |
| 08:19.10 | Guillotine | well |
| 08:19.28 | Guillotine | you could make it a meta table and make it so that whenever you add data, it stores that data as the key and the key as the data in another table |
| 08:19.29 | Grum_ | i need to know/find the index so i can pre/append something there |
| 08:19.38 | Grum_ | but then the complete reverse table needs to be changed as well |
| 08:19.44 | Guillotine | right :/ |
| 08:19.45 | Grum_ | so i might indeed just 'look through it all' |
| 08:20.19 | Grum_ | Cartographer_Routes on its way .. orso ;D |
| 08:20.45 | Grum_ | does anyone know Cartographer_Notes in any depth? |
| 08:22.21 | ckknight | Grum: nah, the only way to do it is to either do an O(n) lookup or create a reverse table |
| 08:24.02 | Grum_ | but knowing whenever you do an insert into the table you need to 'change' point_of_insert to #table entries in a reverse table ... that kinda sucks |
| 08:24.32 | Grum_ | also a reverse table will have problems if you pass 1 point twice |
| 08:24.49 | CIA-14 | 03nalumis * r46254 10FreeRefills/ (7 files): FreeRefills: splitted localization files, added deDE localization |
| 08:24.50 | Grum_ | but so will a straight search as well |
| 08:24.54 | CIA-14 | 03diablohu * r46255 10AtlasLoot/ (Constants/constants.cn.lua TableRegister/loottables.cn.lua): |
| 08:24.54 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 08:24.54 | CIA-14 | - update zhCN |
| 08:25.37 | Grum_ | hmm who made Cartographer? ;D |
| 08:26.02 | Grum_ | oooh you did .. grin |
| 08:26.43 | Grum_ | ckknight: is there any way i can make _Notes not draw a certain database? |
| 08:26.58 | ckknight | probably |
| 08:27.15 | Grum_ | oh humz nevermind .. this makes no sense ... _Notes store the info as location => data |
| 08:27.30 | Grum_ | where i just need to store { location, location, location } and order matters .. |
| 08:27.56 | Guillotine | oo, is this going to be like AutoTravel but with a GPS arrow instead of actually moving you? |
| 08:28.08 | Grum_ | euuuh |
| 08:28.15 | Grum_ | i was going to make you able to draw routes on cartographer |
| 08:28.21 | Grum_ | and have em show up on the minimap as well |
| 08:28.52 | Grum_ | and as the points should be hookable into _Waypoint .. a 'where to go to get on the line fastest' should also be doable :) |
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| 08:29.04 | Grum_ | and 'how to get to the next point' ofc as well |
| 08:29.13 | Grum_ | i'm tired of remembering the routes i fly for certain herbs |
| 08:29.26 | Grum_ | and it seemed like a doable first addon :) |
| 08:29.31 | Grum_ | (turns out not to be .. but hell ;D) |
| 08:30.03 | Herio | zomg |
| 08:30.23 | Guillotine | I still think somebody needs to make an AutoTravel-like GPS |
| 08:30.23 | Herio | AddMessage isn't doing escape sequences |
| 08:30.38 | Grum_ | Guillotine: you can not 'autotravel' anymore |
| 08:30.57 | Guillotine | Grum_: of course. I never said autotravel. AutoTravel-like GPS I said ;) |
| 08:31.04 | Guillotine | so it points you along the roads you have defined |
| 08:31.10 | Grum_ | well you have that already |
| 08:31.15 | Herio | make a bunch of waypoints |
| 08:31.21 | Herio | in cartographer |
| 08:31.26 | Grum_ | it's called 'waypoints' but that literally works backwards ;D |
| 08:31.39 | Grum_ | and i want the waypoints to be visual |
| 08:31.43 | Grum_ | and stored |
| 08:31.50 | Guillotine | right. I'm talking about where you click somewhere on the map and it uses an algorithm to find the shortest path |
| 08:31.57 | Guillotine | not defining your own path every time |
| 08:33.00 | Grum_ | humz that was not what i was going to make ;) |
| 08:33.12 | Grum_ | might be a nice feature though |
| 08:33.31 | Guillotine | I know. I thought it was at first until you explained. Yours is a pretty dang cool idea too though :) |
| 08:33.37 | Guillotine | would love it for my mining farming paths |
| 08:35.50 | Grum_ | indeed |
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| 08:36.06 | Grum_ | the end idea would be 'having named paths per zone' .. where you can define color etc |
| 08:36.23 | Grum_ | so you can for example have a 'adamantite path' and a 'terocone path' ... |
| 08:36.31 | Grum_ | and just select one you want highlited on your minimap |
| 08:36.38 | Grum_ | and follow it .. orso O.o |
| 08:36.55 | Guillotine | Wait... does "==" mean "not equal to" in any launguage? |
| 08:37.11 | Grum_ | no |
| 08:37.13 | Grum_ | should not ;) |
| 08:37.17 | Guillotine | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=965526996&sid=1 |
| 08:37.21 | Grum_ | prolly in brainfuck .. ;D |
| 08:37.21 | Guillotine | that made me laugh :P |
| 08:37.23 | Guillotine | haha |
| 08:37.40 | Guillotine | this guy explains to people on the UI&Macros forum that == means 'not=" |
| 08:38.04 | Guillotine | I wanted to make sure I wasn't thinking he was a moron without cause |
| 08:38.05 | Grum_ | i actually learned something from that thread |
| 08:38.11 | Grum_ | != is ~= in lua ;) |
| 08:38.35 | Grum_ | this is kinda like diving in to a deep pool filled with scorpids! |
| 08:38.52 | Guillotine | people were using all sorts of not equals signs, yet noone used the Lua one so I figured I had to do it :P |
| 08:39.04 | Guillotine | but ya. its ~= in lua |
| 08:39.13 | Guillotine | then ==, >=, <= ect. |
| 08:39.17 | Guillotine | and <, > |
| 08:40.18 | Grum_ | those are common |
| 08:40.26 | Grum_ | but is ~ the unary 'not' in lua? |
| 08:40.32 | Grum_ | so ~0 would give 1 ? :) |
| 08:40.46 | Grum_ | (or better - yield true) |
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| 08:40.57 | Grum_ | instead of asking .. try it! /slap Grum |
| 08:41.22 | Grum_ | mm not :( |
| 08:41.23 | Guillotine | eh, no |
| 08:41.29 | Guillotine | ~ is really only used in ~= |
| 08:41.38 | Guillotine | afaik at least |
| 08:41.39 | Grum_ | yeah its just 'not' :) |
| 08:41.43 | Nargiddley | not is the unary not |
| 08:41.49 | Nargiddley | and not 0 is true |
| 08:42.03 | Grum_ | lol i looked like eons for table.fine .. or table.search or table.index finding out it just doesn't exist ... |
| 08:42.09 | Nargiddley | wait, not 0 is false |
| 08:42.11 | Guillotine | Nargiddley: actually, not 0 is false |
| 08:42.18 | Guillotine | because 0 is not the same as nil |
| 08:42.20 | Nargiddley | i'm not thinking |
| 08:42.21 | Nargiddley | yeah |
| 08:42.23 | Grum_ | iep |
| 08:42.25 | Grum_ | that is a nice catch |
| 08:42.34 | Grum_ | not nil is true? |
| 08:42.35 | Nargiddley | false and nil are false, everything else is true |
| 08:42.39 | Guillotine | Grum_ correct |
| 08:42.46 | Guillotine | not nil and not false are both true |
| 08:42.58 | Grum_ | ah good to know |
| 08:43.40 | Grum_ | hmmm i wonder how this pans out in if statements |
| 08:43.50 | Guillotine | same way |
| 08:44.10 | Guillotine | if just evaluates the statement. if it returns true, the block happens |
| 08:44.23 | Guillotine | e.g. "if not nil then" would ALWAYS happen |
| 08:44.25 | Grum_ | humz i dont know hwo the if statement works .. grin |
| 08:45.15 | Grum_ | lua.org to the rescue |
| 08:46.13 | Grum_ | ah that was what i was afraid of ... 'if 0 then print("TRUE") end' actually prints ;D |
| 08:46.36 | Guillotine | right. b/c 0 is not the same as nil or false |
| 08:46.45 | Grum_ | yup |
| 08:47.06 | Grum_ | i've seen lots about warnings concerning nil |
| 08:47.30 | Grum_ | is the only way to create those in string concats and using nil as a lookup? |
| 08:47.41 | Guillotine | huh? |
| 08:47.58 | Grum_ | nevermind i'll experiment a bit :) |
| 08:48.07 | Guillotine | are you asking if nil can be a table index? |
| 08:48.23 | Grum_ | nah nevermind ;) |
| 08:48.28 | Guillotine | btw, where are you testing this? IRC luabot, the binaries, or WoW itself? |
| 08:48.46 | Grum_ | just installed lua 5.1 on a shell somewhere |
| 08:50.08 | Grum_ | seemed the easiest to test with the basics :) |
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| 08:52.00 | Grum_ | Guillotine: does it really matter as long as you have the same lua version? |
| 08:52.14 | Guillotine | no, was just wondering :) |
| 08:52.14 | Grum_ | i know wow doesnt have some 'buildins' of lua 5.1 (any io etc) |
| 08:52.31 | Grum_ | k :) |
| 08:53.16 | Guillotine | I believe cladhaire's luabot has the same funcs WoW does though |
| 08:53.22 | Guillotine | if you /join #luabot |
| 08:53.32 | Guillotine | give commands through "lua> LuaCommand()" |
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| 09:04.56 | Grum_ | Guillotine: is there any more elegant way of doing: tmp[#tmp+1] = k |
| 09:05.09 | Grum_ | when trying to put a new value @ the end |
| 09:05.12 | Guillotine | table.insert(tmp,k) |
| 09:05.21 | Grum_ | automaticly does appending? |
| 09:05.23 | Guillotine | or tinsert(tmp,k) |
| 09:05.28 | Guillotine | yes, it automatically appends it to the end |
| 09:05.40 | Grum_ | tinsert is an alias? |
| 09:05.44 | Guillotine | in WoW, yes |
| 09:05.49 | CIA-14 | 03ktrigger * r46256 10Numen/ (Numen.lua Numen.toc Numen_Button.lua Numen_PopButton.lua): |
| 09:05.49 | CIA-14 | Numen: |
| 09:05.49 | CIA-14 | - Added Button and Pop-up classes (Now object-oriented!!) |
| 09:05.49 | CIA-14 | - Started localization. Most functionality should be in and working now. More to come. |
| 09:06.18 | Grum_ | any reason not to write table.insert? |
| 09:06.27 | Grum_ | or just 'because it is longer lets not use it' ? |
| 09:06.51 | Grum_ | clarity > shortness in my book unless it is indeed faster |
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| 09:07.46 | Nargiddley | table.insert is an extra table lookup over tinsert |
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| 09:08.38 | Grum_ | it is? i so expected that to be the other way around |
| 09:09.09 | Grum_ | so every table.X is mapped to tX in wow? |
| 09:09.26 | Nargiddley | most are, not sure about all |
| 09:09.44 | Nargiddley | table.insert is looking up "insert" in the table called table |
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| 09:10.17 | Nargiddley | global variable access is a table lookup as well, locals are fastest |
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| 09:15.36 | Mellow_ | does anybody know/have a 64bit pxe install/live image? |
| 09:17.24 | Grum_ | Nargiddley: good to know |
| 09:17.37 | Grum_ | but dont you hardly need to use globals? |
| 09:18.01 | Grum_ | or you can always avoid using them directly |
| 09:18.44 | Grum_ | i know those 'SavedVariables' are globals |
| 09:18.58 | Mellow_ | (or howto build a 64bit pxe boot image of course linux) |
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| 09:19.33 | Nargiddley | you can avoid them mostly |
| 09:20.21 | CIA-14 | 03syntherift * r46257 10Numen/ (Numen.lua white16x16.tga): |
| 09:20.21 | CIA-14 | Numen: |
| 09:20.21 | CIA-14 | - added groundwork code for group indicators and stomper macro |
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| 09:25.21 | Hjalte | Is WAU2 working for anyone at the moment? |
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| 09:32.43 | Fisker- | Antiarc ! |
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| 09:35.01 | Grum_ | Does anyone know if wow has problems if you put new files into an addon dir - will it still load them on reloadui? (for example some artwork) |
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| 09:35.41 | Diao | no it won't |
| 09:35.47 | Diao | it checks for files only at startup once |
| 09:35.58 | Fisker- | that's weird Antiarc |
| 09:36.04 | Diao | you have to restart wow completely for it to recognize new files |
| 09:36.11 | Fisker- | It says ImageColorMatch() doesnt' exist O_o |
| 09:36.14 | Fisker- | but i have GD support |
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| 09:43.26 | Grum_ | Diao: mm thanks |
| 09:43.36 | Grum_ | but 'content changes' of files it has loaded it will pick up right? |
| 09:43.45 | Grum_ | if i change the lua or tga file? |
| 09:44.15 | Grum_ | humz i see people do stuff like: |
| 09:44.22 | Grum_ | local math_floor = math.floor |
| 09:44.35 | Grum_ | and then using math_floor ... is using math.floor *that* much slower? :\ |
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| 09:47.39 | CIA-14 | 03jncl * r46258 10Skinner/AddonFrames.lua: Skinner: Waterfall check fixed |
| 09:48.32 | Saryai | So... Anyone willing to help out a complete noob with coding an addon? >.> |
| 09:50.18 | Grum_ | i am a complete nub coding an addon so i might help you .. a bit ;D |
| 09:50.20 | Diao | yea Grum_ |
| 09:50.26 | Diao | if you just change the contents it'll update properly |
| 09:50.36 | Grum_ | k thanks |
| 09:50.51 | Fisker- | anyone remember those screwed up commenting tags in html? |
| 09:51.31 | Grum_ | <!-- ... --!> orso |
| 09:51.35 | Saryai | Hehe, thanks Grum. Trying to make a redundant chat relay. |
| 09:51.46 | Grum_ | chat-relay? |
| 09:51.51 | Diao | like irc style? |
| 09:51.55 | Saryai | Kinda. |
| 09:51.56 | Fisker- | thanks Grum |
| 09:52.03 | Diao | automatically sends chat from one channel to another |
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| 09:52.05 | Diao | or something? |
| 09:52.09 | Saryai | Exactly! |
| 09:52.19 | Saryai | My guild's working on a partial merger for raiding. |
| 09:52.23 | Grum_ | now my question is .. whhhyyyy :D |
| 09:52.30 | Diao | lol |
| 09:52.35 | Diao | well |
| 09:52.40 | Grum_ | do /join newchannelforboth |
| 09:52.43 | Saryai | Linking two guild chats so that the entire officer group of my guild doesn't have to switch. |
| 09:52.45 | Grum_ | and chat there ;) |
| 09:52.50 | Saryai | Tried that, too many problems. |
| 09:53.02 | Diao | my question is how do you relay the chat from one guild to the other |
| 09:53.07 | Grum_ | why not just merge the guilds? ;) |
| 09:53.12 | Saryai | Pretty easy. It's been done in the past. |
| 09:53.15 | Diao | unless you plan to relay from gchat -> whisper -> other person's gchat |
| 09:53.16 | Saryai | Lemme dig up the link. |
| 09:53.26 | Grum_ | that is the idea i guess |
| 09:53.37 | Diao | using sendaddonmsg? |
| 09:53.38 | Diao | or something |
| 09:53.39 | Saryai | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5381-Guild2Guild.html |
| 09:53.59 | Diao | oh |
| 09:54.03 | Saryai | See, that addon does exactly what we're looking for, but not exactly in the best way. |
| 09:54.05 | Diao | so it does need a chat channel |
| 09:54.06 | Diao | lol |
| 09:54.10 | Saryai | Yeah. |
| 09:54.39 | Saryai | Does exactly what I'm looking for, but A) It's old, and B) If more than one person from the same guild is using it, there's gonna be a ton of duplicate messages. |
| 09:54.51 | Saryai | So, here's the idea: |
| 09:55.25 | Saryai | 1) New addon (Let's call it GIR, for Guild Info Relay) joins a channel. |
| 09:56.05 | Saryai | 2) On enable, GIR sends a "I'm ready to broadcast" addonmessage over the guild channel, to any other GIR users. |
| 09:56.41 | Saryai | 3) If no other GIR users, sets itself as an active broadcasters. If there's already a broadcaster, it goes to standby,. |
| 09:56.54 | art3mis | GIR? |
| 09:57.01 | art3mis | is it supposed to be stupid? |
| 09:57.03 | Saryai | Sure, why not. |
| 09:57.09 | art3mis | it's not stupid, it's advaaaanced |
| 09:57.24 | Saryai | Hey, GIR has its moments. |
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| 09:57.37 | art3mis | gir was the name of invader zim's retarded robot sidekick |
| 09:57.45 | Saryai | I know. |
| 09:57.53 | Saryai | Thus the analogy. |
| 09:57.56 | art3mis | i think thats an awesome name for it though |
| 09:57.58 | Saryai | ^_^ |
| 09:58.05 | Saryai | So, back on track. |
| 09:58.07 | Diao | lol |
| 09:58.08 | art3mis | as long as you code in random WWAAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOO |
| 09:58.14 | art3mis | IM RUNNNNNNNNNNNING |
| 09:58.16 | Saryai | (I was thinking LOLCODE >.>) |
| 09:58.23 | art3mis | heh |
| 09:58.31 | art3mis | awww it likes me |
| 09:58.33 | Diao | so |
| 09:58.33 | Saryai | So, someone sends a guild message. |
| 09:58.40 | Diao | as soon as someone who is active broadcaster logs out |
| 09:58.44 | Diao | it should be queued |
| 09:58.48 | Diao | to enable broadcast? |
| 09:58.50 | Saryai | Yep. |
| 09:59.03 | Diao | so you need to transfer a queue list as well |
| 09:59.05 | art3mis | tis a good idea |
| 09:59.07 | Saryai | Now, let's say someone sends a guild message. |
| 09:59.07 | Diao | to see who's in order |
| 09:59.11 | Diao | and if they log off :P |
| 09:59.23 | Saryai | [Saryai] Guild message here. |
| 09:59.45 | Saryai | Active broadcaster relays message across the private channel, with a message ID and sender info. |
| 10:00.03 | art3mis | what would be a secondary handy tool is a new sorted friend list so you could pretend that both guilds are in the same guildwho list |
| 10:00.12 | Saryai | Yeah. |
| 10:00.26 | Saryai | There's an addon called Guild Alliance that does kinda that... |
| 10:00.42 | Saryai | Now, here's the kicker that would make this addon completely cool. |
| 10:00.49 | Saryai | Let's say our broadcaster is lagging. |
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| 10:01.14 | Saryai | Any guild message sent, the standby broadcasters would send a readycheck addonmessage. |
| 10:01.36 | CIA-14 | 03nargiddley * r46259 10Baggins/Baggins.lua: Baggins: Fix for Temp Compress None |
| 10:01.46 | Saryai | If the message isn't sent within 500ms, a new broadcaster is chosen and the message is sent. |
| 10:01.52 | Diao | seems like |
| 10:02.08 | Diao | users would be disconnected a lot |
| 10:02.11 | Saryai | If the previous broadcaster comes back, they'd no longer be active and any messages they would have sent would be ignored. |
| 10:02.14 | Diao | unless you use chatthrottlelib |
| 10:02.24 | Diao | cause you're going to be sending a ton of messages back and forth constantly |
| 10:02.30 | Saryai | Yeah. |
| 10:02.31 | Diao | especially when guild chat is going at a million miles an hour |
| 10:02.44 | Saryai | Shouldn't be a huge problem except at raid time |
| 10:02.55 | art3mis | if everyone had it they could filter it |
| 10:03.02 | Saryai | Yeah. |
| 10:03.07 | art3mis | so you only see assigned CL's officers |
| 10:03.14 | art3mis | or a certain class |
| 10:03.16 | art3mis | or whatever |
| 10:03.32 | Saryai | Nah, I'd like a complete link here. Maybe options to filter if needed. |
| 10:03.43 | art3mis | so even though it would be sending it to each guild you'd have the option to gag it |
| 10:03.55 | art3mis | yeah thats what i mean |
| 10:04.05 | art3mis | filter so you only see officers guildchat |
| 10:04.09 | art3mis | that type of thing |
| 10:04.34 | Saryai | I'm thinking that to cut down on the spam, we'd be looking at a priority list of completely inactive, standby (max of 3), active broadcast (1 per guild). |
| 10:04.39 | art3mis | plus it would allow for he ability to just ignore people within both guilds that irritate you constantly ;P |
| 10:04.44 | Saryai | Hehe. |
| 10:05.13 | Saryai | So, y'all get what I'm saying. |
| 10:05.22 | art3mis | go code it now ;) |
| 10:05.29 | Saryai | Hell if I know how. >.> |
| 10:05.36 | Saryai | And I have time restraints. |
| 10:06.07 | Saryai | I'd love to code it myself, and I'm all up for it, but I'm gonna need some help to get it working. |
| 10:06.14 | art3mis | heh me too so im going to bed now |
| 10:06.53 | Saryai | I have next to zero LUA/ACE experience past minor fixits, which is putting a damper on my production time. >.< |
| 10:07.46 | Punkie` | Ace is not an acronym |
| 10:07.48 | Punkie` | ;P |
| 10:07.59 | Saryai | Eh, me being lazy with shift there. |
| 10:08.25 | Saryai | Who wants to do the dirty work for me? ^_^ |
| 10:08.59 | Saryai | I can probably handle it once we have a framework up, but until then I'm gonna be useless except for ideas. |
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| 10:09.59 | Saryai | Pleeeeeeease? |
| 10:10.03 | cncfanatics | good morning everyone |
| 10:10.08 | Saryai | Mornin'. |
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| 10:11.30 | Saryai | Biggest problem I'm running into is that there's never been an addon that's done this before. |
| 10:11.55 | Saryai | As far as I can tell, nobody's ever coded a redundant chat network for WoW. |
| 10:13.22 | Saryai | The relay part's easy, it's been done with Guild2Guild and prolly a few other addons, but never a broadcast/standby system, lag checking... Nothin'. |
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| 10:21.09 | Grum_ | hmm is there any easy way from ingame to get the running instance of for example Cartographer (or some of its modules) so i can call some stuff onto it to test? |
| 10:22.14 | Grum_ | for example i want to call ClearMap() which is defined as Cartographer_Notes:ClearMap() .. |
| 10:23.28 | Saryai | Should be able to /script it, if I'm reading that right and my brain's not completely shut down yet. |
| 10:23.52 | Saryai | So: /script Cartographer_Notes:ClearMap(foo) |
| 10:24.09 | Grum_ | hmm yes indeed that seemed to be the case |
| 10:24.13 | Grum_ | lol that was too obvious |
| 10:24.16 | Saryai | Hehe. |
| 10:24.29 | Grum_ | just cba to load wow and try it .. and i just did .. sigh ;D |
| 10:24.44 | Saryai | ;p |
| 10:25.23 | Saryai | WTB someone to code for me. Offering [Case of Phatlewt] and [Mad Props]. |
| 10:25.39 | Grum_ | man getting these basics worked into your system is walking naked in a dark room with nails on the walls and broken glass & mousetraps on the floor |
| 10:25.46 | Grum_ | you might just make it .. but you rather turn on the light! |
| 10:25.53 | Saryai | ./agreed |
| 10:26.33 | Grum_ | or should i say, ask the crowd which is sitting in the next room laughing at your nubness to make a light =D |
| 10:26.40 | Saryai | See what I'm getting myself into? Same thing, man. |
| 10:26.49 | Grum_ | ah well my first addon as well :) |
| 10:26.59 | Saryai | Whatcha making? |
| 10:27.14 | Grum_ | Cartographer_Routes (drawing routes on your map!) |
| 10:27.44 | Saryai | Ah, nice. I'm assuming you'd be using either mapnotes or waypoints and drawing lines between them? |
| 10:28.18 | Grum_ | both arent quite usable :( |
| 10:28.28 | Saryai | Hmm, how so? |
| 10:28.31 | Grum_ | waypoints are voilatile where i need them to be stored |
| 10:28.41 | Saryai | So, mapnotes. |
| 10:28.44 | Saryai | They're persistent. |
| 10:28.49 | Grum_ | and _Notes automaticly draw crap on the location i put a point *and* they do not store order just location |
| 10:28.59 | Saryai | Ahh. |
| 10:29.00 | Grum_ | and the order is what matters most :) |
| 10:29.06 | Saryai | Mhmm. |
| 10:29.09 | Grum_ | (yes i spend this day till now figuring that out ;D) |
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| 10:29.33 | Grum_ | i know exactly what i want, problem is finding the tools to make it while not creating all yourself from scratch |
| 10:29.59 | Saryai | So, in that case, a modification of _Notes to append order data, and create either an invisible point or a really small dot instead of a big icon. |
| 10:30.25 | Grum_ | i know i want something like: self.db.$zone.$route.{ settings = {}, route = { p1, p2, p3, p4, p5 } } |
| 10:30.53 | Grum_ | problem is, _Notes database is: |
| 10:31.29 | Grum_ | self.db.$zone.$type.{ p1 = data, p2 = data, p3 = data } |
| 10:31.38 | Grum_ | atleast .. |
| 10:31.41 | Grum_ | let me tripple check that :) |
| 10:31.59 | Fisker- | hai Punkie` |
| 10:32.16 | Grum_ | yup |
| 10:32.29 | Grum_ | the index is the 'point' thus no ordering ;( |
| 10:32.53 | Grum_ | i could make an artificial 'order' and store that in my own addon but that would be somewhat redundant data |
| 10:33.36 | Saryai | Hmm. |
| 10:33.57 | Grum_ | self.db.$zone.{ p1 = $type, p2 = $type, p3 = $type } even |
| 10:34.04 | Grum_ | for _Notes |
| 10:34.52 | Grum_ | Cartographer_MiningDB = { |
| 10:34.52 | Grum_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.52 | Grum_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.52 | Saryai | Can't just add a p4 for order, make an invisible icon, and use yours as a replacement? |
| 10:35.14 | Grum_ | then updating is a pain due to double administration |
| 10:35.35 | Saryai | True. |
| 10:36.17 | Saryai | (if you *did* do that, I'd make sure to include an "if p4 is nil, disregard" line. >.>) |
| 10:36.36 | Grum_ | and that is the other problem - i need to update _Notes to do that |
| 10:36.40 | Grum_ | which i dont want ;) |
| 10:37.08 | Grum_ | atm looking in how stuff is drawn on the map (not the minimal - that is for waaay later) |
| 10:37.11 | Grum_ | *minimap |
| 10:37.45 | Saryai | Not even sure if it would be possible on the minimap. |
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| 10:39.12 | Saryai | Question. |
| 10:39.53 | Saryai | Wait, lemme check that myself first... |
| 10:39.55 | Grum_ | yes you can |
| 10:39.56 | Grum_ | manually ;D |
| 10:40.12 | Grum_ | which is a bit out of scope for this moment due to the math involved |
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| 10:40.31 | Grum_ | but still really easy whenever i decide to implement it with the rest working |
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| 10:44.35 | Saryai | Alright, so first thing my addon's gotta do is send a "I'm ready" addonmessage over the guild channel. |
| 10:45.38 | Saryai | I dunno if I'm gonna need to do the same over the relay channel or not... |
| 10:46.15 | cncfanatics | what are you trying to do if I might ask ? |
| 10:46.57 | Saryai | Chat relay system. |
| 10:47.20 | Saryai | Has a prioritized list of broadcasters, uses a chat channel to merge two guild chats. |
| 10:47.38 | Neebler | use a custom channel |
| 10:47.46 | Saryai | Aye. |
| 10:48.05 | Saryai | I know how it's gonna work... I just have no idea where to start. |
| 10:48.10 | Neebler | ./join ourtwoguilds |
| 10:48.19 | Neebler | now in 5.ourtwoguilds |
| 10:48.30 | Neebler | ./5 I'm ready :P |
| 10:48.35 | Saryai | Shh. |
| 10:48.36 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 10:48.45 | Saryai | I'm shooting a gun at a spider, here. |
| 10:49.01 | nevcairiel | poor spider |
| 10:49.21 | Saryai | Looking for a complete merge of the guild chats without having every character in both guilds join a channel that nobody's gonna use. |
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| 10:50.02 | Saryai | Chat channels are handy, but they don't cut it. |
| 10:50.12 | cncfanatics | hidden addon channel and ur there |
| 10:50.13 | nevcairiel | make them all join one guild ? =P |
| 10:50.24 | Saryai | Tried that, nobody wants a switchover. >.> |
| 10:50.40 | Cheads | nevcairiel there might not be room for more people =) |
| 10:50.42 | Saryai | Hidden addon channel's easy. It's the priority list, ready signals, all that. |
| 10:50.51 | Saryai | Thus the priority list. |
| 10:51.12 | Saryai | One broadcaster per guild. Three users per guild on standby in the channel. |
| 10:51.18 | Saryai | (up to) |
| 10:51.55 | Saryai | Addon chooses who's in the channel by some sort of hashing system, I'll get to that when I get there. |
| 10:52.21 | cncfanatics | heh, why make stuff simple when it can be complicated ? |
| 10:52.28 | Saryai | Exactly. |
| 10:52.39 | CIA-14 | 03ascalia * r46260 10AtlasLoot/Constants/ (constants.de.lua constants.en.lua): |
| 10:52.39 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 10:52.39 | CIA-14 | - German update |
| 10:52.54 | Saryai | Half the reason I'm doing this is so that I can tack a chatbot onto it. |
| 10:53.34 | cncfanatics | omg |
| 10:53.39 | cncfanatics | nerf end's in lua code |
| 10:53.46 | cncfanatics | I had forgotten one and it totaly fucked up my gui lol |
| 10:53.50 | Saryai | LOL |
| 10:55.09 | Saryai | So... |
| 10:55.57 | Saryai | Am I even gonna need this thing to send a message over the addon channel when it enables? |
| 10:56.25 | Saryai | Wait, yeah. |
| 10:56.33 | Saryai | i r smrt. |
| 10:56.49 | cncfanatics | u r smrt |
| 10:56.51 | cncfanatics | rght |
| 10:58.36 | Saryai | So, first thing it needs to do is check for other users in both the addon channel and in the guild. User list in the channel works for the first, addonmessage with a sync request would handle the second. |
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| 11:03.14 | CIA-14 | 03candykiss * r46261 10ArkInventory/Locale/zhCN.lua: |
| 11:03.14 | CIA-14 | ArkInventory: |
| 11:03.14 | CIA-14 | - Fix zhCN translation |
| 11:03.29 | Fisker- | http://www.developersdevelopersdevelopers.dk/awesome.JPG |
| 11:03.30 | Fisker- | i win |
| 11:04.01 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r46262 10FlexBar2/ (6 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 11:04.01 | CIA-14 | FlexBar2: |
| 11:04.01 | CIA-14 | Core.lua: |
| 11:04.01 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.01 | CIA-14 | Attributes.lua: |
| 11:04.02 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.05 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.21 | cncfanatics | bugfixing ftl |
| 11:08.06 | cncfanatics | Nargiddley, ping, are you here ? |
| 11:08.17 | cncfanatics | ~seen Nargiddley |
| 11:08.19 | purl | nargiddley is currently on #wowi-lounge (12h 16m 18s) #wowace (12h 16m 18s). Has said a total of 46 messages. Is idling for 1h 48m 46s, last said: 'you can avoid them mostly'. |
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| 11:09.17 | omega | hms.. in the new baggins configuration, how do I create a new category? |
| 11:09.33 | Neebler | FISKER |
| 11:09.43 | Neebler | GIMME TF2BETA NOW |
| 11:09.57 | Punkie` | man, i can't believe you fell into his trap Neebler |
| 11:10.03 | cncfanatics | Fisker- actualy writes addons ? :o |
| 11:10.13 | Neebler | he's a fanboy troll |
| 11:10.20 | cncfanatics | thought so |
| 11:10.50 | charon | rangecheck is cool... how does it tell 28-30m from 30-40m? i never knew i had a 28m range ability :) |
| 11:10.59 | cncfanatics | probably trade |
| 11:11.02 | cncfanatics | or inspect |
| 11:11.36 | Neebler | spell abilites you have, weather they're disabled or active to use |
| 11:11.59 | cncfanatics | if you read what he said he doesnt think he has any 28m ability |
| 11:12.20 | Saroz | helpful = IsHelpfulSpell("name" or slot,"book") - The spell targets friendly units |
| 11:12.21 | Neebler | oops |
| 11:12.22 | Saroz | omg give! |
| 11:12.50 | cncfanatics | sexy |
| 11:15.04 | CIA-14 | 03adirelle * r46263 10ThreatToKTM/ (. ThreatToKTM.toc embeds.xml): |
| 11:15.04 | CIA-14 | ThreatToKTM: |
| 11:15.04 | CIA-14 | - added Threat-1.0 to optdep list, as it is not LoD'able. |
| 11:15.04 | CIA-14 | - moved Threat-1.0.xml include from TOC to embeds.xml, |
| 11:15.34 | Nickenyfiken | ~seen elkano |
| 11:15.35 | purl | elkano <n=elkano@ip-213-135-2-176.handshake.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 16h 51m 44s ago, saying: 'how else would I react to joining a group?'. |
| 11:15.47 | CIA-14 | 03ascalia * r46264 10AtlasLoot/Constants/constants.de.lua: |
| 11:15.47 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 11:15.47 | CIA-14 | - minor German improvements |
| 11:16.21 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r46265 10FlexBar2/Layout/Layout.lua: |
| 11:16.21 | CIA-14 | FlexBar2: |
| 11:16.21 | CIA-14 | Layout.lua: |
| 11:16.21 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.39 | CIA-14 | 03candykiss * r46266 10FuBar_ToFu/ToFuDefaultTimes.lua: FuBar_ToFu: Add zhCN default flight time |
| 11:20.26 | Neebler | hmm whats the name of the debuff paladins get after using a bubble? |
| 11:20.43 | CIA-14 | 03adirelle * r46267 10/trunk/ (FuBar_ThreatFu/ ThreatToKTM/): FuBar_ThreatFu: formerly ThreatToKTM - renamed to avoid confusion. |
| 11:22.24 | Neebler | ah, Forbearance. |
| 11:22.33 | CIA-14 | 03adirelle * r46268 10FuBar_ThreatFu/ (5 files): FuBar_ThreatFu: renaming done. |
| 11:23.56 | Saryai | There's a ThreatFu? |
| 11:24.13 | vithos | there is now. |
| 11:24.25 | Fisker- | doh |
| 11:24.28 | Fisker- | i has been stupid |
| 11:24.51 | Saryai | Interesting... Whassit do? |
| 11:25.41 | Diao | lol |
| 11:25.46 | Diao | formerly threattoktm |
| 11:25.49 | Diao | ;) |
| 11:25.51 | Diao | that should explain it |
| 11:26.24 | Saryai | Yeah, kinda figured that, but as far as I knew ThreatToKTM was a backend to handle KTM resets and such. |
| 11:26.27 | Saryai | ...Oh. |
| 11:26.42 | Diao | lol |
| 11:26.53 | Saryai | Don't mind me. |
| 11:27.05 | Saryai | It's 4:26am. Do you know where YOUR brain is? |
| 11:27.35 | Saryai | HAH! Addon progress. I'm done with... |
| 11:27.38 | Diao | indeed |
| 11:27.39 | Diao | i do |
| 11:27.41 | Saryai | ...building the options table. |
| 11:27.51 | Diao | i sleep at strange times |
| 11:27.51 | Diao | :( |
| 11:28.16 | Saryai | I sleep every other day. Works wonders for work: I never have to deal with my alarm clock. |
| 11:28.42 | snurre | Thanks for signing up for the The Settlers Rise of an Empire Beta. |
| 11:28.46 | snurre | hm, wonder if its any good |
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| 11:29.36 | Saryai | Alright, about to do the initial announce and version check. |
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| 11:30.31 | Saryai | Need to figure out how to send version info over an addonmessage now... |
| 11:30.47 | baer | moin |
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| 11:31.02 | Diao | local versioninfo = ___ |
| 11:31.05 | Diao | and send it as a string? |
| 11:31.17 | Diao | look at other addons for how to do it i guess |
| 11:31.44 | Saryai | Yeah. Methinks Omen would be a good start for that, I think one of the first things it does is a version check. |
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| 11:35.29 | Daemona | hmmm pastey slow for anyone else? |
| 11:36.56 | CIA-14 | 03adirelle * r46269 10FuBar_ThreatFu/FuBar_ThreatFu.lua: |
| 11:36.56 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ThreatFu: |
| 11:36.56 | CIA-14 | - fixed Threat-1.0 library reference, |
| 11:36.56 | CIA-14 | - fixed FuBar plugin title. |
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| 11:42.41 | Daemona | InventoryLib still has issues -> http://www.pastey.net/72055 |
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| 11:50.02 | Saryai | How many users max are in a chat channel? Saw 10 somewhere and I find that a bit hard to believe. |
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| 11:51.18 | [dRaCo] | ingame? |
| 11:51.23 | Saryai | Yeah. |
| 11:52.24 | [dRaCo] | you can be in 10 channels at the same tine |
| 11:52.32 | [dRaCo] | s/tine/time/ |
| 11:52.43 | Saryai | Ah. No max on the number of players in any given channel though? |
| 11:52.59 | baer_ | Saryai, no. |
| 11:53.01 | Nickenyfiken | Daemona: I tried to fix it buy Elkanos suggested fix only lead to another problem that I'm not sure how to fix. |
| 11:53.13 | Saryai | Alright. |
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| 11:56.49 | Saryai | Stupid question: |
| 11:56.54 | Saryai | SendChatMessage(("%s - %s: %d/%d"):format(name, desc, numGot, numNeeded), "PARTY") |
| 11:57.16 | Saryai | How exactly is %s and %d determined? |
| 11:57.46 | Saryai | Yes, noob question of the morning. |
| 11:57.51 | [dRaCo] | takes the variables you give and prints them |
| 11:58.06 | [dRaCo] | first %s is name, second is desc |
| 11:58.08 | [dRaCo] | etc |
| 11:58.21 | Saryai | Any real reason for switching letters? |
| 11:58.33 | [dRaCo] | %s is for string, %d for decimals |
| 11:58.38 | Saryai | Got it. |
| 11:58.52 | Saryai | And just %? |
| 11:58.58 | [dRaCo] | nothing |
| 11:59.03 | [dRaCo] | escape char, prolly |
| 11:59.08 | Saryai | Ah. |
| 11:59.14 | Saryai | Any other common ones? |
| 11:59.44 | [dRaCo] | %i for integers, iirc |
| 11:59.54 | Saryai | I was thinking that. |
| 11:59.59 | Saryai | Cool, thanks. |
| 12:00.02 | [dRaCo] | but why would you need anything besides strings and numbers? =) |
| 12:00.40 | Saryai | ^_^ |
| 12:01.51 | charon | in C they have %f/%g/%e for various float formats... then again lua has to do everything differently and i haven't checked |
| 12:04.35 | Saryai | Hmm... Somehow I can't find an addon that uses SendAddonMessage anywhere... Would I treat it about the same as that SendChatMessage I pasted before? |
| 12:05.16 | [dRaCo] | http://wowwiki.com/API_SendAddonMessage |
| 12:05.21 | Saryai | Looking at it now. |
| 12:05.27 | Saryai | SendAddonMessage( "CTRA", "User Data: XYZ", "RAID" ); is the example they give. |
| 12:05.55 | Saryai | Doesn't explain a lot to a complete noob such as myself, except for the order of the information. |
| 12:06.48 | FrostByghte | does Bigwigs work also for 5 man instances or mainly focus on the larger ones? |
| 12:06.50 | Tornhoof | that explains everything? |
| 12:06.51 | Saryai | As for the data portion, would I be able to order it like that SendChatMessage, or else how would I send local values such as versioninfo and other random stuff? |
| 12:07.05 | Saryai | Frost: Check out Littlewigs. |
| 12:07.14 | Saryai | Hooks into Bigwigs for 5man bosses. |
| 12:07.26 | FrostByghte | so would you need both of those then? |
| 12:07.30 | Saryai | Yes. |
| 12:07.59 | Saryai | Bigwigs enables itself when you target a raid boss. Littlewigs just adds modules for 5mans. |
| 12:08.02 | FrostByghte | ok, gotcha...are there any other 5 man addons that are recommended? I mainly pvp and I just started to run a few of these 5 man instances |
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| 12:08.22 | [dRaCo] | nope |
| 12:08.36 | [dRaCo] | what else do you need? |
| 12:08.38 | FrostByghte | my main problem was keeping the attack order straight :( |
| 12:08.46 | [dRaCo] | use raid target icons |
| 12:08.53 | Saryai | Depends on what you do. I find that Pitbull, Omen + KTM (gah, KTM...), and good communication with a group are all I need. |
| 12:09.22 | FrostByghte | well they put the little symbols over their head and all, but then in the middle of the fight...well was that blue, diamond or blue, X etc :) |
| 12:09.40 | Saryai | If you REALLY have issues with it, leave CC to the Rogue/Mage/Warlock/whatever and grab FromAViewToAKillFu. |
| 12:09.58 | [dRaCo] | get pitbull and enable party targets =) |
| 12:10.00 | FrostByghte | I have pitbull, love that one...use grid for raid frames...I'll look into KTM and Omen to see what those are |
| 12:10.02 | Saryai | That too. |
| 12:10.23 | [dRaCo] | threatmeters |
| 12:10.42 | Saryai | Frost: Are you tanking, healing, or DPSing? |
| 12:10.53 | FrostByghte | ya, but then the warrior was 'don't focus on my target, I change up a lot' then I was using the hunters targ 'well I'm laying down traps' |
| 12:10.59 | FrostByghte | I'm a hunter...don't laugh :) |
| 12:11.03 | FrostByghte | dps |
| 12:11.05 | Fisker- | http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/3319/wowscrnshot081107135014ua7.jpg <-YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME |
| 12:11.13 | Saryai | No worries. |
| 12:11.14 | Fisker- | why grid + decursive_ |
| 12:11.15 | Fisker- | ? |
| 12:11.22 | [dRaCo] | wtf, what's that, fisker? |
| 12:11.29 | Tornhoof | because he's a paladin |
| 12:11.36 | Fisker- | some guys UI in my guild |
| 12:11.36 | Saryai | Where's his game? |
| 12:11.41 | Fisker- | he has both grid and decursive |
| 12:11.52 | FrostByghte | seems redundant |
| 12:11.55 | Saryai | I see nothing but addons. >.< |
| 12:11.57 | Fisker- | very |
| 12:12.06 | Tornhoof | send him to cthun :D |
| 12:12.11 | Fisker- | wait WHAT?! |
| 12:12.13 | FrostByghte | grid can show an amazing amount of info all on it's own, no other reason to use anything else |
| 12:12.15 | Fisker- | he has both fubar and titan? |
| 12:12.19 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 12:12.21 | Saryai | Yep Frost. |
| 12:12.29 | BankZ | Is there anything else out there like autobar? |
| 12:12.32 | charon | Fisker-: i find it much more interesting that he uses 25man Grid layout in AV |
| 12:12.32 | Fisker- | oh lawd |
| 12:12.35 | Saryai | So, Frost: Omen and KTM track threat, but in different ways. |
| 12:12.49 | Fisker- | well you gotta set it manually |
| 12:12.49 | Saryai | Omen uses the Ace Threat library to track on a per-target basis. |
| 12:13.00 | FrostByghte | are they both needed or is it better to stick with one in particular? |
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| 12:13.14 | [dRaCo] | BankZ: pt3bar, dunno if it's still in active development |
| 12:13.26 | Saryai | I recommend using both... Noticed lately that Omen has issues publishing its threat scores to KTM. |
| 12:13.35 | Grum_ | how to make a screenshot with /script? |
| 12:13.38 | haste | Chompers: most likely because he wants to show how his UI looks during PvE raids, without having to wait for a raid to start to fix a screenshot |
| 12:13.42 | haste | damn it |
| 12:13.46 | haste | charon: ^ |
| 12:13.51 | Saryai | KTM tracks threat on all mobs at once. Meaning, on a multi-mob pull, it's next to useless. |
| 12:13.58 | Fisker- | lol |
| 12:14.02 | Fisker- | seriousl Grum |
| 12:14.05 | Fisker- | 1 second of guessing |
| 12:14.10 | Fisker- | /script TakeScreenshot() |
| 12:14.14 | Grum_ | whoo thanks ;D |
| 12:14.30 | FrostByghte | okie...silly question here, but is there a reason they didn't just use numbers instead of raid symbols? |
| 12:14.31 | haste | I thought it was /script Screenshot() |
| 12:14.33 | haste | D: |
| 12:14.37 | Grum_ | me too |
| 12:14.45 | FrostByghte | cause I could sure remember 1 2 3 4 5 etc |
| 12:14.48 | Saryai | Because of how the human brain works, I'd assume. |
| 12:14.55 | haste | Screenshot() - Takes a screenshot. |
| 12:14.55 | haste | :3 |
| 12:14.59 | Saryai | We can glance at a shape and color and know what it is. |
| 12:15.17 | Saryai | It takes a little longer to see "1 2 3 4 5" and relate them. |
| 12:15.40 | Tornhoof | it's easier to explain with symbols |
| 12:15.43 | Saryai | Yep. |
| 12:15.46 | Saryai | Skull = Kill. |
| 12:15.53 | Saryai | X = Offtank/Kill second. |
| 12:15.57 | Saryai | Moon = Sheep. |
| 12:16.01 | Grum_ | never put skull on kill |
| 12:16.04 | Saryai | Square = Trap. |
| 12:16.06 | Grum_ | skulls are used by addons :) |
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| 12:16.21 | Saryai | Which ones? >.> |
| 12:16.29 | FrostByghte | ok, so throughout wow's history each of these has come to mean a certain thing? |
| 12:16.30 | Grum_ | DBM for example:) |
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| 12:16.38 | Saryai | Never used it. |
| 12:16.41 | [dRaCo] | dont use addons that use skull anything besides kill :þ |
| 12:16.46 | Grum_ | hehe |
| 12:16.51 | Saryai | Frost: People usually assume that skull will mean first kill. |
| 12:17.07 | FrostByghte | ya, that is what I always think...but then after that I totally lose focus and can't think anymore :) |
| 12:17.08 | FrostByghte | lol |
| 12:17.15 | Saryai | Anything else is assumed to be explained by the one marking. |
| 12:17.22 | charon | FrostByghte: have your tank call them out on vent/TS if you're confused |
| 12:17.32 | charon | i.e. as one goes down "star next" or whatever |
| 12:17.43 | FrostByghte | this was a pickup group, I was running shattered halls trying to get my thrallmar rep up |
| 12:17.49 | Saryai | Or yell at the tank to bind his tilde (~) key to skull. |
| 12:17.51 | Grum_ | we use star, circle, diamond for 1-3, .. triangle/moon for sheeps and cross/square for traps :) |
| 12:18.07 | FrostByghte | but I've only been in about 5 instance runs since I started playing in January |
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| 12:18.31 | Saryai | I have my tilde set to four marks. ~ for skull, ctrl-~ for moon, alt-~ for square, shift-~ for star. |
| 12:18.36 | BankZ | Do you guys think omen and ktm are worth while for healers? |
| 12:18.41 | BankZ | seems kinda usless to em |
| 12:18.45 | Saryai | Eh. |
| 12:18.49 | Saryai | Omen could be handy. |
| 12:19.00 | Saryai | But only if nobody's using KTM. |
| 12:19.09 | Grum_ | make people stop using ktm :) |
| 12:19.13 | Saryai | No kidding. |
| 12:19.18 | BankZ | well, doesnt Omen work by your target? |
| 12:19.18 | Saryai | I'm weaning my guild off it. |
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| 12:19.32 | Saryai | Omen tracks threat by mob name. |
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| 12:19.33 | CIA-14 | AlchCheck: |
| 12:19.33 | CIA-14 | -Update Buff Check names |
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| 12:19.58 | Grum_ | KTM only does global aggro and therefor sucks :) |
| 12:19.59 | Saryai | Meaning, a Bloodskull Peon and a Bloodskull Orc are tracked seperately, but two Bloodskull Peons will show the same threat. |
| 12:20.02 | Saryai | Yep. |
| 12:20.10 | BankZ | but doesnt it show your the threat based on your target? |
| 12:20.16 | Saryai | Yes. |
| 12:20.17 | Grum_ | Omen yes |
| 12:20.19 | Grum_ | KTM .. no |
| 12:20.24 | Grum_ | rmember you have 'Master target' for KTM |
| 12:20.26 | charon | FrostByghte: well, whatever, it's always a matter of agreeing on something beforehand... there might be a "common" convention on your server, but just ask before starting. just assisting the tank is definitely the Wrong Thing though |
| 12:20.31 | BankZ | yeah |
| 12:20.40 | Saryai | I've never actually used the master target in a 5-man. >.> |
| 12:20.41 | Grum_ | that means :ignore all but treath on the master target |
| 12:20.42 | BankZ | so, Omen is kinda usless for healers |
| 12:20.50 | Grum_ | why |
| 12:21.02 | BankZ | cuz healers dont target mobs |
| 12:21.02 | Grum_ | omen picks up target from target if you are healing stuff :) (atleast that is what i saw) |
| 12:21.08 | Matrix110 | a threatmeter is useless for healers |
| 12:21.16 | Saryai | Nope. |
| 12:21.19 | Grum_ | it is :) |
| 12:21.21 | Grum_ | it really is |
| 12:21.26 | Saryai | We should be using Aloft, man. |
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| 12:21.38 | BankZ | If healers pull aggro its normaly one spell at start of fight |
| 12:21.49 | BankZ | or a lose random mob |
| 12:22.04 | Saryai | I've had a few cases with a mob at around 90% and I've actually pulled heal agro, though. |
| 12:22.17 | Grum_ | your healer or tank sucks then |
| 12:22.19 | Saryai | Aloft helps a lot with that. |
| 12:22.23 | Matrix110 | you are a druid then or? |
| 12:22.31 | Matrix110 | (or Shaman) |
| 12:22.35 | Saryai | Druid. |
| 12:22.36 | BankZ | Im a druid |
| 12:22.42 | Matrix110 | other healers cant pull aggro or smth went totally wrong |
| 12:22.48 | Saryai | Aye. |
| 12:22.48 | BankZ | and I dont see how you can pull aggro at 90% |
| 12:22.54 | Saryai | Druids have issues with threat. |
| 12:22.56 | BankZ | unless your tank is really bad |
| 12:23.07 | Matrix110 | Threatwipes BankZ but tbh the tank sucks then:P |
| 12:23.32 | FrostByghte | charon: I think most of my problem is just not being familiar with instance runs and groups, guess I just need to practise up |
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| 12:23.36 | Cheads | Saryai how does Aloft display threat.. I cannot get it to show.. or I'm not aware of what to look for.. |
| 12:23.37 | BankZ | yeah, I can pull aggro after a threat wipe or start of fight |
| 12:23.40 | Saryai | Not necessarily. 2-mob pull, only damage to the mob being Thunderclap, it's possible to pull agro if the tank's rage starved or slacking a bit. |
| 12:23.48 | BankZ | but thats normaly after one big heal |
| 12:24.02 | BankZ | so I dont see how threat meter can help |
| 12:24.07 | Saryai | Cheads: It's there. Might need an update, but if you look in the menu you should see a threat bar section. |
| 12:24.14 | Saryai | I have mine just below the health bar. |
| 12:24.28 | BankZ | My guild is saying we all need Omen and I am debating if its useful |
| 12:24.29 | Cheads | yes.. I have latest version.. and I have it enabled.. I just can't see anything different with the plate |
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| 12:24.46 | Saryai | You need to enable it, and maybe move it so that you can see it. |
| 12:25.03 | Saryai | It's not on by default, IIRC |
| 12:25.31 | Saryai | It'll show another player's threat as a red bar, and your threat as a white bar. |
| 12:25.44 | Saryai | Highest threat stretches across, yours superimposed over. |
| 12:26.15 | Saryai | Very useful for healers or AoE DPS. At least for yelling at the tank to quit slacking. |
| 12:27.09 | charon | Saryai: thanks for mentioning that feature. never noticed it ... i think it is also going to be very useful when i tank |
| 12:27.34 | Saryai | It's really not a tank thing. |
| 12:27.39 | Saryai | Threat meters are for the DPS. |
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| 12:28.02 | Saryai | If you need to look at one as a tank, you're doing something wrong. You should ALWAYS be pumping out max threat. |
| 12:28.18 | Saryai | Unless, of course, you're offtanking and need to stay second on the threat list. |
| 12:28.21 | charon | um, imagine i have a mob on me that is flagged for CC, but somehow the CC fails... up to now i just leave it alone _until_ it breaks away, then taunt and build aggro |
| 12:28.36 | charon | if i attacked it right away, CC might be broken by my attacks |
| 12:28.37 | Hjalte | Saryai, maybe he is, but he would like to know what way to run for the mob or who to intervene. It helps tanks too. |
| 12:28.49 | Saryai | I know, Hjalte. |
| 12:29.03 | charon | so yeah, what Hjalte says. i'd like to see when healing aggro on those mobs becomes critical |
| 12:29.09 | Saryai | All I'm saying is that there's other tools besides threat meters to help you with that. |
| 12:29.23 | Grum_ | Saryai: it's named clue!;D |
| 12:29.41 | Cheads | Saryai thanks a lot.. it's working now.... played around with the settings and now it works =) |
| 12:29.44 | Saryai | Intervene -> Taunt -> Sunder/SS/Revenge (whichever is up) does wonders, especially when you have Banzai enabled in Pitbull. ^_^ |
| 12:29.54 | Saryai | Cheers Cheads. =) |
| 12:30.17 | Saryai | Hmm. Somehow I'm reminded. |
| 12:30.28 | Saryai | I should make a Clique macro... |
| 12:30.35 | Grum_ | hehe |
| 12:30.44 | charon | Saryai: preventing the mob from attacking the healer in the first place is always better |
| 12:30.55 | charon | unlucky one-hits on heroic ftl |
| 12:31.01 | Saryai | Aye. |
| 12:31.09 | Saryai | It's usually impatient DPS who do it. |
| 12:31.31 | Saryai | Macro: /target [mouseovertarget,exists] |
| 12:31.44 | Saryai | Or something. |
| 12:32.09 | Saryai | Some way to insta-target the person's mob when I'm in the middle of an intervene would be cool. |
| 12:33.04 | Saryai | (Mainly useful on here-to-be-unnamed mages who stand there nuking a mob while it's on the way to them) |
| 12:34.44 | charon | ... then proceed to kite the mob away from you so that you can't charge/intervene? ;) |
| 12:34.54 | Saryai | Generally, yeah. >.< |
| 12:35.09 | Saryai | I hate mages and hunters, some days. |
| 12:35.37 | Saryai | And priests. Dunno why, but the last four puggers have BACKED AWAY from the mob running over to bash their skulls in. |
| 12:35.48 | Saryai | Not ran, not even strafed. |
| 12:35.50 | Saryai | BACKED AWAY. |
| 12:36.28 | Saryai | Or ran away from the 200% speed oneshot. |
| 12:36.29 | BankZ | Is there anyway to get wowinterface to email you when one of your addons gets updated? |
| 12:36.38 | Saryai | Um... |
| 12:36.42 | Saryai | I could look? |
| 12:37.18 | [dRaCo] | BankZ: add that addon to favorites |
| 12:38.16 | BankZ | I didnt, and didnt get an email |
| 12:38.18 | BankZ | hmmm |
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| 12:38.35 | BankZ | let me check my junkmail folder |
| 12:38.44 | Saryai | Found it. |
| 12:38.51 | Saryai | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/filecpl.php?action=modifyoptions |
| 12:39.05 | Saryai | Top option, email notification. |
| 12:39.13 | Saryai | Set to yes and you should be golden. |
| 12:39.42 | Nargiddley | cncfanatics, ping |
| 12:40.07 | BankZ | yeah, didnt get an email, let me look around at settings |
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| 12:41.22 | charon | worst aggro mess up i've seen so far was at hydross though. he hit me with 18k (+6k resisted) nature damage just at the end of a nature phase, while i was sitting around doing nothing except enrage so i'd be ready to tank the frost adds |
| 12:42.31 | BankZ | What do I need to enable to get wowinterface to email me when there is an update? |
| 12:42.39 | BankZ | I have "Receive Email from Administrators" checked |
| 12:43.11 | Saryai | Let's do this the slow and surefire way. |
| 12:43.24 | Saryai | Go to your favorites list. |
| 12:43.54 | *** part/#wowace GnancyWK (n=gnancysa@adsl-065-082-190-025.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) |
| 12:43.59 | Saryai | Failing that, find a favorite in the downloads section, and click the heart. |
| 12:45.04 | Saryai | Left side, you should see Options -> Favorites, Email Feeds |
| 12:45.32 | Saryai | Then Settings -> Preferences. |
| 12:45.32 | Saryai | Go to Preferences. |
| 12:45.33 | Saryai | Email Notification: |
| 12:45.33 | Saryai | Enable this feature to recive email notification when one of your favorites has been updated. |
| 12:46.43 | BankZ | Saryai: thanks |
| 12:46.52 | Saryai | ^_^ |
| 12:46.54 | Saryai | No prob. |
| 12:47.12 | Saryai | And now... |
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| 13:02.40 | Fisker- | man |
| 13:02.42 | Fisker- | shit sucks |
| 13:03.49 | Fisker- | i can't get rep with Cenarion Circle pretty much |
| 13:04.04 | Saryai | Silithus? |
| 13:04.26 | Saryai | IIRC, a good many of the Silithus quests are CC rep. |
| 13:04.40 | Fisker- | yeah, i'm unfriendly |
| 13:04.53 | Saryai | How'd you manage that? |
| 13:04.59 | Fisker- | killing their npc's? |
| 13:05.11 | Saryai | That'd do it. |
| 13:05.45 | Saryai | http://www.wowwiki.com/Cenarion_Circle_Reputation_Guide |
| 13:06.20 | Fisker- | guide is pretty useless as i recieve less reputation at level 70 |
| 13:06.20 | Saryai | ...Looks like you may need to start running AQ. >.> |
| 13:06.34 | Saryai | They're fixing that in 2.2. |
| 13:06.41 | Fisker- | nice |
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| 13:06.49 | Fisker- | just a shame i have to be past 300 before 2.2 |
| 13:06.57 | Fisker- | and i don't want to level fishing :< |
| 13:07.13 | FrostByghte | should I be installing all mods with or without externals? |
| 13:07.27 | Saryai | Frost: It helps. |
| 13:07.34 | FrostByghte | I'm assuming externals is just all the extra libs and stuff and they could be installed seperately |
| 13:07.43 | FrostByghte | what helps? :) |
| 13:07.46 | Saryai | 300... cooking? |
| 13:08.00 | FrostByghte | I've been installing all with externals using the wowaceupdater |
| 13:08.12 | Saryai | External libs will help your load times and a bit of memory usage. |
| 13:08.31 | Saryai | Load times mainly. |
| 13:08.46 | FrostByghte | ok so when I 'install with externals' what is that doing exactly? |
| 13:08.52 | Saryai | That, and it'll prevent weird conflicts from old libraries. |
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| 13:09.01 | FrostByghte | okie |
| 13:09.12 | Saryai | When you install with externals, it'll automatically embed the externals into the addon directory. |
| 13:09.36 | Fisker- | LOLOLOLOLOL |
| 13:09.37 | Saryai | Without externals, it'll skip the embedding and install just the addon. |
| 13:09.42 | Nargiddley | with externals = libs inside addons, without externals = libs as seperate addons |
| 13:10.07 | Saryai | Yeah. Brain =/= working. Narg's got it. |
| 13:10.16 | Fisker- | This guy says he don't want to use grid anyways because it's wastes too much space |
| 13:10.20 | Fisker- | oh lawd |
| 13:10.21 | FrostByghte | so the prefered method would be 'with externals' to maintain compat |
| 13:10.30 | FrostByghte | wastes space? |
| 13:10.30 | Saryai | No. |
| 13:10.33 | FrostByghte | grid? |
| 13:10.35 | Grum_ | Fisker-: slap him in the face |
| 13:10.44 | FrostByghte | physical space on the screen? |
| 13:10.53 | Fisker- | yes |
| 13:10.56 | Saryai | Preferred method is to use standalone libraries and update all addons without externals. |
| 13:11.15 | FrostByghte | oh okie, how do I go about determining what externals I need then? |
| 13:11.19 | Nargiddley | without externals and auto dependency download (if using WAU) is what I use |
| 13:11.37 | Saryai | Just grab the !!!StandaloneLibraries package. |
| 13:12.04 | Nargiddley | not needed if you use WAU, most addons are setup so it can tell what it needs to install as well |
| 13:12.11 | Saryai | Yeah. |
| 13:12.15 | Saryai | WAU makes it easy. |
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| 13:13.08 | FrostByghte | ok...let me try not to screw everything up, turn off Default Mode WITH Externals, check Auto Dep Download, and then update all my addons without Deps and all should be well...right? |
| 13:13.37 | Nargiddley | yep |
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| 13:14.15 | Saryai | Syntax check on SendAddonMessage. |
| 13:14.16 | Saryai | SendAddonMessage( "GIR", "version, pname, ready", "GUILD" ) |
| 13:14.20 | Saryai | Looks good? |
| 13:15.16 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 13:15.17 | [Ammo] | !api SendAddonMessage |
| 13:15.17 | ThraeBot | [Ammo]: SendAddonMessage("prefix", "text", "type", "target") -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendAddonMessage |
| 13:15.22 | Fisker- | perhaps these silithyst things will give rep |
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| 13:16.52 | CIA-14 | 03nargiddley * r46273 10Baggins/Baggins-Options.lua: Baggins: Sort categories ignoring case in the editor |
| 13:17.17 | Saryai | So, big question is on the vars I'm using there. Are they good how they are, or do I need to be doing something else there? |
| 13:17.32 | Saryai | Gah, I hate being a noob. |
| 13:17.35 | [Ammo] | well for one your syntax is wrong |
| 13:17.42 | [Ammo] | the quotes don't match |
| 13:18.09 | Saryai | Mind giving an example I can base mine off of that's not using generic terms? |
| 13:18.26 | Saryai | I can't seem to find one in my addons. =/ |
| 13:19.07 | Fisker- | YES YES YES |
| 13:19.13 | Fisker- | silithyst doesn't give less rep |
| 13:19.19 | Saryai | Good stuff Fisker. |
| 13:19.20 | Fisker- | it's time to sandlol |
| 13:19.35 | Saryai | Wonder what happens when you max out the sylithysts... |
| 13:19.41 | Saryai | Never seen it happen. |
| 13:19.49 | Fisker- | starts over |
| 13:19.57 | Saryai | No bonus? Lame. |
| 13:20.02 | Fisker- | the winning side gets a rep buff |
| 13:20.04 | Saryai | Ah. |
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| 13:22.17 | Saryai | Maybe I should just start using AceComm? |
| 13:22.45 | Saryai | Seems a bit easier to me. Either that or I'm just retawded when it comes to addonmessages. >.> |
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| 13:39.12 | baer_ | *lol* |
| 13:39.20 | baer_ | my char on eu-todeswache is renamed. |
| 13:39.28 | baer_ | from "Lucien" to "Luccien" |
| 13:39.38 | baer_ | I <3 this :) |
| 13:39.40 | Grum_ | is there anything which allows you to 'dump' tables ingame? |
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| 13:40.01 | baer_ | Grum, what do you mean by 'dump' ? |
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| 13:40.03 | JoshBorke | Grum_: yes, both AceConsole and DevTools provide a way |
| 13:40.18 | JoshBorke | if it is a global you can do /dump <global> |
| 13:40.21 | Grum_ | AceConsole:Dump orso? lets read the source :) |
| 13:40.59 | Grum_ | oh is there anything like a 'lua console' in wow? instead of using the annoying chatlines ;D |
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| 13:42.21 | BankZ | Is it normal for FSP to be a lot lower in an instance? |
| 13:42.27 | Grum_ | depends which one |
| 13:42.31 | BankZ | or is that a addon problems |
| 13:42.33 | BankZ | SSC |
| 13:42.34 | Grum_ | yes |
| 13:42.43 | Grum_ | look at the instance |
| 13:42.57 | Grum_ | it's HUGE and drawn all at once since you dont really have 'fog' inside |
| 13:43.07 | BankZ | FPS go from 60 to 18 |
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| 13:43.15 | Grum_ | get a better pc; ) |
| 13:44.34 | BankZ | gonna be a while before I do that |
| 13:44.38 | BankZ | maybe 6 months |
| 13:44.49 | Grum_ | welcome to 6 months of lag in ssc then |
| 13:44.55 | Grum_ | nothing you can really do about that |
| 13:51.57 | BankZ | whats the "swing" option in quartz do? |
| 13:52.22 | [dRaCo] | swing timer |
| 13:52.37 | [dRaCo] | weapon swing timer |
| 13:52.46 | BankZ | ahh |
| 13:53.22 | [dRaCo] | not that accurate accurate when dw'ing, though |
| 13:53.58 | Saryai | I've never seen it work with duals. =/ |
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| 13:54.44 | Saryai | Always perfect with Thunder, but as soon as I throw on Drakefist and Blackout Truncheon, there's no way my timer's showing up. |
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| 14:06.00 | Wobin | woohoo |
| 14:06.01 | Wobin | best day ever |
| 14:06.19 | Wobin | Did Mechanar, beastlord helm |
| 14:06.28 | Wobin | did SV, Beast Lord shoulders |
| 14:06.32 | Wobin | plus gun |
| 14:06.38 | Saryai | Damn man. |
| 14:06.43 | Wobin | Did SL, gun, plus sonic spear |
| 14:07.01 | Saryai | Heh, guildie's been running SL for two MONTHS trying to get that spear. |
| 14:07.05 | Wobin | This day is full of win =) |
| 14:07.11 | Saryai | No kidding. Grats. |
| 14:07.21 | Saryai | Still waiting on my Doomplate Chestguard from Arc. >.< |
| 14:07.35 | BankZ | Does "Terrain Distances" or "Enviroment Detail" increase the disances you can dse herbs/mines on the mini map? |
| 14:07.38 | Wobin | I'm now 4/5 set |
| 14:07.46 | BankZ | which set? |
| 14:07.48 | Wobin | I don't believe so, BankZ |
| 14:07.50 | Wobin | Beastlord |
| 14:07.50 | Saryai | Don't think so BankZ. |
| 14:07.53 | Fisker- | beastlord? |
| 14:08.03 | Wobin | yus |
| 14:08.06 | BankZ | Which T is that? |
| 14:08.07 | Saryai | IIRC those are statics. |
| 14:08.23 | Saryai | Beastlord? Hunter. |
| 14:08.30 | BankZ | Tier |
| 14:08.31 | Saryai | Dungeon 3. |
| 14:08.37 | BankZ | ohh |
| 14:08.38 | Wobin | yeah |
| 14:08.51 | Fisker- | Wobin is a booot |
| 14:08.52 | BankZ | Im 5/5 for T4 and 3/5 T5 |
| 14:08.59 | Saryai | I have 2/5 Bold. >.> |
| 14:09.00 | BankZ | my server sucks for progression |
| 14:11.39 | CIA-14 | 03celellach * r46274 10AtlasLoot_WorldLoot/WorldEvents.en.lua: |
| 14:11.39 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot_WorldLoot: |
| 14:11.39 | CIA-14 | - World Events update |
| 14:11.41 | BankZ | no guilds on my server has cleared TK yet |
| 14:12.02 | Saryai | I know there's a few on mine working on it. |
| 14:12.05 | CIA-14 | 03celellach * r46275 10AtlasLoot/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:12.05 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 14:12.05 | CIA-14 | - World Events update |
| 14:12.12 | Saryai | I have a few friends in there every week. |
| 14:12.30 | BankZ | Top guild on the server has 3/5 bosses in TK |
| 14:12.33 | BankZ | we are 3/5 |
| 14:12.35 | BankZ | err |
| 14:12.36 | BankZ | 2/5 |
| 14:12.57 | Saryai | Database question... Is there a quicker way to do this? |
| 14:12.58 | Saryai | function GIR:SetGuild1(Guild1) |
| 14:12.58 | Saryai | self.g1 = Guild1 |
| 14:12.58 | Saryai | self.db.char.g1 = Guild1 |
| 14:13.45 | [dRaCo] | redudancy! evil! |
| 14:13.49 | Saryai | Yep. |
| 14:14.09 | Saryai | Any way around it? Need the settings saved between sessions. |
| 14:14.20 | JoshBorke | don't do both? |
| 14:14.39 | [dRaCo] | yeah, why saving the same info two times? |
| 14:14.41 | Wobin | why not just the db? |
| 14:14.42 | Saryai | I mean, I could probably call self.db.char.g1 every time I wanted self.g1, but that's a lot of typing. |
| 14:14.52 | Saryai | Good point. |
| 14:14.52 | Wobin | or local db = self.db.char.g1 |
| 14:14.58 | Saryai | Ah HA! |
| 14:15.00 | Saryai | Thanks. |
| 14:16.23 | Saryai | Toggles are either 1 or nil, correct? |
| 14:16.52 | Cryect | for checkboxes yes |
| 14:17.17 | Saryai | So: |
| 14:17.17 | Saryai | function ToggleActive() |
| 14:17.17 | Saryai | self.active = not self.active |
| 14:17.17 | Saryai | end |
| 14:17.28 | Saryai | What would that toggle between? |
| 14:17.36 | Saryai | 1 and nil, or 1 and 0? |
| 14:18.06 | Saryai | Or... something else completely? |
| 14:18.06 | charon | i think 0 is not a false value |
| 14:18.06 | charon | in lua |
| 14:18.21 | JoshBorke | with SetChecked? look on wowwiki |
| 14:18.40 | Saryai | Hmm... |
| 14:19.08 | Saryai | Oh. |
| 14:19.12 | Saryai | Not trying to do a checkbox. |
| 14:19.22 | Saryai | This is just a true/false value. |
| 14:19.57 | JoshBorke | nil and false are the only not true |
| 14:20.19 | Saryai | Hmm. |
| 14:20.22 | [dRaCo] | (not true) should be false, though. |
| 14:20.31 | Saryai | K. |
| 14:21.01 | Saryai | Now, to make it easier from a communication standpoint, what would be the easy way to turn that into a 1-true, 0-false switch? |
| 14:21.15 | Saryai | IE: /gir active 0 |
| 14:21.28 | Saryai | would switch the addon to active 0, meaning false. |
| 14:21.33 | [dRaCo] | toggles are cooler. |
| 14:21.52 | Saryai | Heh. |
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| 14:22.03 | Saryai | So leave it like that and it should be alright? |
| 14:22.18 | JoshBorke | make it easy for the user and program around that |
| 14:22.32 | Saryai | Sounds good to me. |
| 14:22.44 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46276 10Relog/GUI_Table.lua: Relog - Adds colors to table rows to indicate type |
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| 14:23.06 | Saryai | So, to start that out as evaluating to true every time the addon starts... |
| 14:23.08 | evl | Anyway to prevent the first line of AddLine to GameToolTip from being larger than the others? |
| 14:23.27 | Saryai | evl: Cowtip? |
| 14:23.33 | Saryai | I think that can do it. |
| 14:23.38 | JoshBorke | evl: larger how? |
| 14:23.43 | evl | It's a larger font |
| 14:23.45 | evl | than the next line |
| 14:24.03 | evl | Saryai: I don't want to run CowTip :) |
| 14:24.14 | Saryai | Heh, don't blame you. |
| 14:24.19 | Saryai | I like tinytip. |
| 14:24.23 | evl | ditto |
| 14:24.27 | evl | it's an API questoon |
| 14:24.39 | JoshBorke | it shouldn't be bigger |
| 14:24.45 | JoshBorke | the fontstrings are set |
| 14:24.48 | Saryai | Lemme log in and check |
| 14:24.49 | Cryect | no its set to be bigger |
| 14:25.01 | Wobin | it toggles between true and nil |
| 14:25.03 | Wobin | btw |
| 14:25.04 | JoshBorke | for what? |
| 14:25.26 | Cryect | the first line of a tooltip by default is like 2 fontsizes larger |
| 14:25.27 | Saryai | Cool. |
| 14:25.31 | Saryai | Thanks Wobin. |
| 14:25.44 | JoshBorke | he's talking about the second line |
| 14:25.47 | Saryai | So, I'd need to switch that to a true/false or 1/0 statement. |
| 14:26.06 | Cryect | he said the first line is larger than the next line |
| 14:26.07 | Saryai | Yeah, that first line IS bigger. |
| 14:26.13 | Saryai | Just checked. |
| 14:26.43 | Cryect | it should always be bigger though |
| 14:26.52 | Cryect | can't see what you want to display that shouldn't have a title |
| 14:27.11 | JoshBorke | GameTooltip:SetText(''); GameTooltip:AddLine("Fred"); GameTooltip:Show() |
| 14:27.15 | Saryai | Might just want a uniform text size on the tooltip. |
| 14:27.18 | Fisker- | btw |
| 14:27.27 | Fisker- | isn't Blizzard's VoIP p2p? |
| 14:27.35 | Cryect | I hope not |
| 14:27.43 | Cryect | would kill you in a raid situation then |
| 14:27.46 | Saryai | Same. |
| 14:28.14 | Cryect | maybe some sort of fake multicast |
| 14:28.32 | Saryai | Possibly a virtual server per group/raid...? |
| 14:28.38 | Saryai | *shrug* |
| 14:28.49 | Fisker- | "You can turn voice chat off entirely or allow your children to listen but not speak in voice chat." |
| 14:28.57 | Saryai | Nice. |
| 14:28.57 | Fisker- | Then we just need more parents to turn of parental systems |
| 14:28.57 | Fisker- | ;D |
| 14:29.03 | Saryai | Heh. |
| 14:29.09 | Saryai | I can just imagine. |
| 14:29.25 | Grum_ | will 'GetRealZoneText()' ever return a localized zone? |
| 14:29.52 | evl | Cyrez: i have several titles |
| 14:30.00 | Saryai | [party][Litteljimy]: i cna tlak bt m prnets trund of mu mmic |
| 14:30.26 | Saryai | * Litteljimy has left the group. |
| 14:30.28 | evl | I'd like titles to be slightly bigger, or the whole tooltip to have identical sizes |
| 14:30.30 | Grum_ | the worst thing is that i know what that said |
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| 14:30.37 | Saryai | Hehe. |
| 14:31.05 | Saryai | * Ardentmike has joined the group. |
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| 14:31.18 | JoshBorke | evl: titles ARE bigger |
| 14:31.38 | Saryai | [party][Ardentmike]: Oh thank god, you guys have VoiP enabled. You have no idea how many idiots I've dealt with today... |
| 14:31.41 | evl | Can I create more than 1 title in a toolti`? |
| 14:31.48 | Saryai | * You have invited Ardentmike to join your guild. |
| 14:32.06 | Saryai | Anyway. |
| 14:32.11 | JoshBorke | evl: not in the game tooltip |
| 14:32.39 | Fisker- | finally |
| 14:32.41 | Fisker- | 300 cooking |
| 14:32.43 | Saryai | So, back to the true/false thing. How would I turn that statement into an actual true/false instead of true/nil? |
| 14:32.48 | Saryai | Grats. |
| 14:33.04 | JoshBorke | Saryai: if var == nil then var = false end |
| 14:34.03 | sb | hm Cryect Relog:CreateFrame doesnt exist? |
| 14:34.11 | Saryai | function ToggleActive() |
| 14:34.11 | Saryai | self.active = not self.active |
| 14:34.12 | Saryai | if self.active == nil then self.active = false |
| 14:34.12 | Saryai | end |
| 14:34.12 | Saryai | end |
| 14:34.14 | Saryai | Like so? |
| 14:34.29 | JoshBorke | yes, but why does it need to be false and not nil? |
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| 14:35.34 | wereHamster | Saryai, was 2.2 released or why are you talking about VoIP? |
| 14:35.38 | Saryai | That value's being sent over AceComm. "You may send up to 20 values, let it be strings, tables, booleans, numbers, anything. Be aware though, that every argument after the first "nil" (starting with this "nil") is not sent. Use "false" instead." |
| 14:36.04 | mitch0 | yo |
| 14:36.10 | JoshBorke | when you send it, use self.active or false |
| 14:36.19 | Nargiddley | not self.active will always be true or false |
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| 14:37.38 | Saryai | Gimme an example, JoshBorke? |
| 14:37.51 | JoshBorke | just keep what you have |
| 14:38.01 | JoshBorke | it's not worth bothering over |
| 14:38.06 | Saryai | Heh, alright. |
| 14:39.18 | Saryai | It's just a string that lets other clients know whether or not the addon is in broadcast mode. Nothing major, it's at the end of the args anyway, just making sure it's not killing something later on. |
| 14:40.46 | Nargiddley | Saryai, self.active will never be nil for that check in that ToggleActive function above |
| 14:41.17 | Cryect | sb: thanks forgot to include a file |
| 14:41.48 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46277 10Relog/ (Widgets.lua units.lua): Relog - Adds a missing file |
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| 14:43.06 | Wobin | nono |
| 14:43.12 | Wobin | self.active = not self.active |
| 14:43.17 | Wobin | will toggle it appropriately |
| 14:43.59 | Saryai | Yes, just wanted to make sure it would never go nil. Thus the == nil then false part. |
| 14:44.06 | Nargiddley | yeah, so its either true or false at that point. so the check is pointless |
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| 14:45.40 | Shirik | right |
| 14:45.43 | Cryect | sb: If you testing it out, it should look something like http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9209/relogtablemg4.jpg |
| 14:45.51 | Shirik | In fact, the majority of "boolean" blizzard function's don't return true OR false |
| 14:45.51 | Shirik | most return 1 and nil |
| 14:46.19 | Shirik | so, you shouldn't need to worry about nil at all |
| 14:46.20 | Wobin | hehe |
| 14:46.21 | Wobin | http://www.wowhead.com/?screenshot=view&4.650#13585 |
| 14:46.25 | Wobin | I love the 'copyright' |
| 14:46.51 | Wobin | "No you don't have the right to copy the image of something I stole myself from Blizzard" |
| 14:47.02 | Shirik | heh |
| 14:47.05 | Saryai | Yeah. Wouldn't even be bothering with it if it wasn't being sent in status checks via AceComm. |
| 14:47.49 | Nargiddley | if you're sending a boolean that you need to not be nil, send it as ' var or false ' |
| 14:48.17 | Amadeo | So I copied a Hunter to PTR, and I have to admit, I can't believe how weak they are |
| 14:49.27 | Saryai | Nargiddley: And because I'm a complete noob (getting a bit better, slowly...) how would I do that? Or should I even bother with how I have it now, since nil's converted to false anyway? |
| 14:50.50 | Nargiddley | Saryai, exactly as it is there. var or false |
| 14:50.56 | Saryai | Alright, cool. |
| 14:51.02 | Saryai | Thanks. |
| 14:51.26 | Nargiddley | or is shortcircuted, that will return var if it evaluates to true, false otherwise |
| 14:52.08 | Nargiddley | not not var is another way if you want to be sure its true or false nothing else |
| 14:52.22 | Wobin | >< |
| 14:52.27 | Saryai | >.> |
| 14:52.38 | Wobin | Once more, with formatting? =) |
| 14:52.50 | Nargiddley | heh |
| 14:58.26 | Saryai | Out of pure curiosity, would an "else if not false or nil then true" line do anything at all? Not planning on using anything like that, just wondering how that would work in Lua. |
| 14:58.26 | BankZ | Where is the best place to get good WoW Raid movies? |
| 14:58.26 | BankZ | for strats |
| 14:58.26 | Saryai | Youtube's been decent to me. |
| 14:58.27 | Wobin | Saryai: nothing whatsoever |
| 14:58.27 | Saryai | Figured. |
| 14:58.27 | BankZ | youtubs look really bad |
| 14:58.27 | sb | warcraftmovies? |
| 14:58.27 | sb | .com |
| 14:58.27 | Saryai | That was my next suggestion. |
| 14:58.27 | BankZ | Im on warcraftmovies but it seems like you have to pay |
| 14:58.27 | Saryai | Nah. |
| 14:58.27 | Saryai | Find the Filefront links. |
| 14:58.27 | Saryai | Or DivX if they're there... Seen a couple I think. |
| 14:58.27 | Saryai | Filefront vids are generally pretty good quality. You can at least make out what's going on. |
| 14:58.27 | dylanm | warcraftmovies is designed to confound you but most of the movies are freely viewable... the Stage6 links are usually tops in terms of quality, too |
| 14:58.27 | Saryai | Aye. |
| 14:58.27 | BankZ | if I click on the filefront link, it just brings me to the their front page, looks like I need an account |
| 14:59.30 | BankZ | http://www.warcraftmovies.com/download.php?id=42526&mirror=1 |
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| 15:01.23 | BankZ | Im trying to get this video: |
| 15:01.23 | BankZ | http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=42526 |
| 15:04.23 | Saryai | Looks like it doesn't exist. |
| 15:04.46 | BankZ | bummer |
| 15:04.54 | Saryai | Just click Live Stream from the warcraftmovies page. |
| 15:04.59 | Saryai | Looks like that one works. |
| 15:05.29 | BankZ | yea, its low quaily from google video, I got the torret, gonna try that |
| 15:05.46 | Saryai | So, more help needed on this. |
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| 15:07.04 | Saryai | Before I get any further, I'm going to make this addon more modular. That way I'll be able to split it off into chatbot, relay, and whatever other modules I want. |
| 15:08.10 | Saryai | So basically, moving the specific components into their own modules and turning the core addon into the base. |
| 15:08.25 | Saryai | (ala Quartz, Pitbull, etc) |
| 15:08.55 | Shirik | *cough* RDX |
| 15:08.58 | BankZ | which addon? |
| 15:09.07 | Saryai | RDX? |
| 15:09.12 | Shirik | I hate you now |
| 15:09.24 | Saryai | <- Noob, remember? |
| 15:09.41 | Saryai | Oh, that. |
| 15:10.08 | Shirik | but yeah, modular programming is good |
| 15:10.13 | Shirik | (for larger addons) |
| 15:11.07 | sb | Cryect: that arrow icon is missing |
| 15:11.40 | Saryai | Good point on the larger addons. |
| 15:12.08 | Cryect | sb: you have hardware cursor I'm guessing? |
| 15:12.20 | sb | yup |
| 15:12.24 | Saryai | This thing's eventually gonna be a chatbot system too, which is why I was thinking about modularizing it. |
| 15:12.33 | sb | and it doesnt scroll to bottom automatically :) |
| 15:12.52 | Cryect | well its a start :-p |
| 15:12.58 | sb | hehe |
| 15:13.02 | Cryect | next plan is to add in ways for the player to add/remove columns |
| 15:13.06 | Saryai | That way, if someone just wants the chatbot features, they'd just need the base mod and the chatbot module without dealing with the relay features as well. |
| 15:13.08 | sb | ah :) |
| 15:13.11 | Cryect | and also set the filter |
| 15:13.32 | Cryect | Filter and columns are all defined by tags |
| 15:13.45 | Saryai | *shrug* Guess I'll leave it combined for now. |
| 15:15.55 | Cryect | guess I should find something to encode that blp as noncompressed so it works with hardware cursors |
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| 15:23.13 | Saryai | K, got the basic options and vars down. |
| 15:23.32 | Saryai | Now, to do something with the comm events. |
| 15:23.34 | Saryai | function GIR:ReceiveMessage(prefix, sender, distribution, arg1, arg2, arg3, arg4, arg5, arg6, arg7) |
| 15:24.39 | Saryai | First thing would be a version check... |
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| 15:35.50 | Saryai | Okay, getting to the part where I'll need a database of active chatbots. |
| 15:36.07 | Saryai | function GIR:ReceiveMessage(prefix, sender, distribution, arg1, arg2, arg3, arg4, arg5, arg6, arg7) |
| 15:36.07 | Saryai | if arg1 < version and self.active == 1 and arg6 == "start" |
| 15:36.07 | Saryai | then SendChatMessage("Your copy of GIR is showing as out of date and will not function until updated.", "WHISPER", sender) |
| 15:36.07 | Saryai | end |
| 15:36.15 | Saryai | if arg1 > version and arg6 == "start" |
| 15:36.15 | Saryai | then SendChatMessage("Your copy of GIR is showing as out of date and will not function until updated.", "WHISPER", pname) |
| 15:36.15 | Saryai | if self.active == 1 then self.active = false |
| 15:36.15 | Saryai | end |
| 15:36.16 | Saryai | end |
| 15:36.20 | Saryai | if arg1 == version and arg6 == "start" |
| 15:36.20 | Saryai | then |
| 15:36.23 | Saryai | And I'm stuck. |
| 15:36.47 | [dRaCo] | Saryai: use ace.pastey.net for big code snippets, please. |
| 15:36.54 | Saryai | Sorry. |
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| 15:42.16 | CIA-14 | Numen: |
| 15:42.16 | CIA-14 | - Fixed tooltip not changing in combat bug. |
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| 15:46.07 | Saryai | Question: Possible to do this? |
| 15:46.08 | Saryai | if arg1 == version and arg6 == "start" or "cb" |
| 15:46.45 | [dRaCo] | dont think so |
| 15:47.01 | [dRaCo] | arg6 == "start" or arg6 == "cb" |
| 15:47.12 | Saryai | That's what I thought it would be. |
| 15:47.46 | Saryai | The initial "if arg1" would fire either way though? |
| 15:47.55 | Saryai | Actually. |
| 15:48.17 | Saryai | Hell, I don't even need it to for the "cb" since it's a callback if the addon's active. |
| 15:48.40 | [dRaCo] | if arg1 == version and (arg6 == "start" or arg6 == "cb") would be my guess |
| 15:48.51 | [dRaCo] | I dont know that much about lua, though -.-" |
| 15:49.41 | Saryai | Hmm. |
| 15:49.48 | Silviu- | Ws as ally sux :) |
| 15:49.52 | [Ammo] | Saryai: you might want to look at function GIR:ReceiveMessage(prefix, sender, distro, ... ) |
| 15:49.55 | [Ammo] | and use select() |
| 15:50.02 | Saryai | select()? |
| 15:50.08 | [Ammo] | yup |
| 15:50.15 | [Ammo] | check out the OnComm function in violation |
| 15:50.24 | [Ammo] | select( "#", ... ) returns the number of args in ... |
| 15:50.33 | [Ammo] | select( 1, ... ) return the first argument |
| 15:50.34 | [Ammo] | etc |
| 15:50.38 | Saryai | Interesting. |
| 15:50.41 | Saryai | Gonna take a look. |
| 15:51.55 | Saryai | for i = 1, select("#", ...) do ? |
| 15:52.49 | [Ammo] | means loop from 1 till numberofargs |
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| 15:53.21 | Saryai | Ah. So I wouldn't have to go through and label each expected arg? |
| 15:53.34 | CIA-14 | 03ktrigger * r46280 10Numen/embeds.xml: |
| 15:53.34 | CIA-14 | Numen: |
| 15:53.34 | CIA-14 | - Added Babble-Spell to libraries. |
| 15:53.42 | [Ammo] | well in your example function you used arg1 arg2 etc which led me to believe they could be anything |
| 15:53.54 | [Ammo] | with ... you have variable number of args without having to label them |
| 15:54.12 | Saryai | Yeah. Writing a generic message handler... And a variable number of args would be perfect. |
| 15:54.13 | Saryai | Thanks. |
| 15:54.51 | [Ammo] | we aim to please (at times) |
| 15:54.55 | Saryai | Heh. |
| 15:55.12 | Saryai | As for the i = 1 portion, I presume I'd need to set i beforehand? |
| 15:55.30 | [dRaCo] | I'd put it another way: Ask non-stupid questions and thou shall receive non-stupid answers. |
| 15:55.39 | Saryai | ^_^ |
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| 15:57.17 | CIA-14 | Numen: |
| 15:57.17 | CIA-14 | - Fixed externals. |
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| 16:00.19 | BankZ | Where do you guys think is the best place to go for raid strats |
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| 16:00.45 | Saryai | Wowwiki may be a good place to start? |
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| 16:05.43 | Amadeo | I remember my first Azuregos raid |
| 16:05.50 | Amadeo | we basically just kept zerging it from the graveyard |
| 16:05.51 | Amadeo | haha |
| 16:06.26 | Saryai | Ammo: Quesion. Asked earlier but dRaCo couldn't give me an answer either way. < if arg1 == version and arg6 == "start" or arg6 == "cb" > (start or callback response) looks good to me, but I'm wondering exactly how that statement would fire. |
| 16:07.34 | Gagorian | it will fire if arg1 is version + arg6 is start.. or when only arg6 is cb |
| 16:08.07 | Saryai | So it won't count arg1 if arg6 is cb? |
| 16:08.41 | Gagorian | nope |
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| 16:08.54 | Gagorian | you need a parenthesis |
| 16:09.05 | Gagorian | if arg1 == version and (arg6 == "start" or arg6 == "cb") |
| 16:09.07 | Saryai | Alright. So if arg1 == version and (arg6 == "start" or arg6 == "cb") |
| 16:09.13 | Gagorian | Yar |
| 16:09.25 | Saryai | Yarly. Thanks. |
| 16:14.51 | Saryai | Now, I need an alphabetized list containing the name and status of those that match those args. I can either throw those into savedvars or use locals, doesn't need to be persistent. Any pointers on how to do that? |
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| 16:57.35 | Fisker- | damnit |
| 16:57.41 | Saryai | ? |
| 16:58.11 | Fisker- | for some reason my savedvariables have been wiped |
| 16:58.18 | Saryai | o.0;; |
| 16:58.22 | Saryai | I didn't do it. |
| 16:58.29 | Fisker- | many of my sv's are just filled with nullbytes |
| 16:58.33 | Fisker- | that makes no sense |
| 16:58.44 | Saryai | That's not cool. What'd you change? |
| 16:58.47 | Fisker- | nothing |
| 17:00.05 | Fisker- | i just logged in and had a couple of thirty ui errors |
| 17:00.14 | Saryai | Yikes. |
| 17:00.16 | Fisker- | everyone said something about an unexpected symbol in my sv's |
| 17:02.06 | Fisker- | atleast most of them were just passive addons that don't need to be setup |
| 17:02.21 | Fisker- | so that's just a bit of fubar setup so it doesn't show text etc. |
| 17:02.29 | Fisker- | pitbull and cowtip stayed intact :) |
| 17:02.36 | Saryai | Nice, heh |
| 17:02.53 | Fisker- | have to reconfigure Parrot though |
| 17:03.28 | Saryai | Never used it, keep hearing about it. |
| 17:03.47 | Saryai | Any good compared to, say, MSBT (which I've been using forever)? |
| 17:04.08 | Antiarc | I love it. |
| 17:04.55 | Saryai | I'll have to try it out. SCT irked me with how it did things, MSBT was perfect with its scroll areas and such. |
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| 17:05.39 | Saryai | Question. |
| 17:05.47 | Nyri | hello, is there an ace addon available, which shows own diminishing return cooldowns? |
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| 17:07.06 | Saryai | About to throw tables into the mix with my chat addon... It'll need to access the list alphebetically, skipping users with certain tags, and adding them to the list real-time with messages from AceComm. |
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| 17:07.57 | Saryai | I think I have a good idea on the code for the table itself, but how would I go about inserting and accessing two pieces at once? |
| 17:07.57 | Fisker- | ooh |
| 17:08.03 | Fisker- | almost revered with skyguard |
| 17:08.06 | Saryai | Nice. |
| 17:08.18 | Saryai | (Most of the way to exalted, when I get around to it) |
| 17:09.01 | Fisker- | they're pretty easy :) |
| 17:09.16 | Saryai | For example: I have an AceComm event set up to catch info about guildmates using the addon. |
| 17:09.35 | Saryai | function GIR:ReceiveMessage(prefix, sender, distribution, arg1, arg2... Etc. |
| 17:10.06 | Saryai | Then, the catch to add to the table. |
| 17:10.07 | Saryai | if arg1 == version and (arg6 == "start" or arg6 == "cb") |
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| 17:11.11 | Saryai | Stumped there, never had to work with a table before. I need to input two args and then later access and compare them. |
| 17:11.18 | [dRaCo] | yay, I wrote an addon. it's totally useless, but it's mine! |
| 17:11.24 | Saryai | Hehe, grats. |
| 17:12.02 | Nyri | a DR cd bar would an good suggestion for quartz or chronometer/antagonist, wouldnt it? |
| 17:12.05 | Saryai | This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. 1 must master it as I master my life. I will learn it as a brother. |
| 17:12.28 | Saryai | Not Quartz. Out of the addon's scope, I believe. |
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| 17:12.53 | Saryai | Antagonist and Chronometer, maybe... Best bet is NECB, really. |
| 17:12.59 | [dRaCo] | any hints on registering a slash command that actually prints stuff? |
| 17:13.04 | Nyri | hm |
| 17:13.51 | Saryai | dRaCo: http://ace.pastey.net/72061 |
| 17:14.29 | [dRaCo] | thanks, but that's for options only, isnt it? |
| 17:14.56 | Saryai | Yeah, but you can use a text type to just output. |
| 17:15.27 | [dRaCo] | oh, ok. thanks |
| 17:15.30 | Saryai | Just ignore the get, set, and usage, just use the type, name, and desc. |
| 17:15.55 | Saryai | Or look at any addon with an About command. /shrug |
| 17:18.43 | Saryai | Anyone? Thoughts on how to pull off that table? Looked through the documentation and it's not making a lot of sense to me. |
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| 17:20.43 | Saryai | http://ace.pastey.net/72062 for the code... This is stumping me. >.< |
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| 17:31.37 | Fisker- | man |
| 17:31.41 | Fisker- | pallypower stopped working now :( |
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| 17:46.29 | Neebler | http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/WarCraftArtBig.jpg |
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| 17:48.59 | CIA-14 | 03ktrigger * r46283 10Numen/ (Numen.lua Numen_Button.lua Numen_PopButton.lua): |
| 17:48.59 | CIA-14 | Numen: |
| 17:48.59 | CIA-14 | - Added cooldowns (YAY!) |
| 17:49.33 | CIA-14 | 03diablohu * r46284 10AtlasLoot/Constants/constants.cn.lua: |
| 17:49.33 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 17:49.33 | CIA-14 | - update zhCN |
| 17:52.17 | Fisker- | LOL |
| 17:52.21 | Fisker- | i pissed this guy totally off |
| 17:52.53 | Fisker- | I had just cast seal of the crusader on a mob |
| 17:53.02 | Fisker- | and then a warrior charged that i hadn't seen |
| 17:53.11 | Fisker- | It was those nether rays you have to capture |
| 17:53.13 | Fisker- | but he got tag |
| 17:53.18 | Fisker- | i helped him with the kill :P |
| 17:53.30 | Fisker- | then he threatened to report me to my guild officers |
| 17:54.01 | Saryai | So what's his issue? |
| 17:54.12 | dreamss | u tagged |
| 17:54.15 | dreamss | he can fuck off |
| 17:54.22 | Fisker- | that i killed the netherray he wanted to get |
| 17:54.26 | Saryai | Oh. |
| 17:54.28 | Saryai | Oh well. |
| 17:54.29 | Fisker- | i didn't get the tag but my melee hadn't kicked in yet |
| 17:54.56 | Fisker- | so i gave it a hammer of wrath when it got to 20% |
| 17:55.04 | Fisker- | he didn't get it captured and was pissed at me :P |
| 17:57.44 | Saryai | I'd say, let this be a lesson. |
| 17:57.56 | Saryai | Pull with judgement of righteousness. >.> |
| 17:57.57 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 17:58.02 | Fisker- | oh |
| 17:59.42 | Saryai | Someone care to give me some pointers on usage of tables? Bit confused. |
| 18:01.51 | ccKep | http://www.lua.org/pil/2.5.html |
| 18:02.13 | Saryai | Wondering about a specific usage though. |
| 18:02.32 | Saryai | Been looking through pil and it's helpful, but I still can't figure out how to do this. |
| 18:02.42 | ccKep | what is "this" ? |
| 18:03.02 | Saryai | Sec, pulling code |
| 18:03.13 | Saryai | if arg1 == version and (arg6 == "start" or arg6 == "cb") |
| 18:04.04 | Saryai | At that point, it would take the AceComm message that that originated from and pull a playername and active tag. |
| 18:04.28 | ccKep | don't see a table there? *shrug* |
| 18:04.31 | Saryai | It'd put those into a table which would then be accessed alphabetically to find who would be active next. |
| 18:05.16 | Saryai | Haven't quite built the table yet, got a few ideas but I want to figure out how I'd be inputting and retrieving from it first. |
| 18:05.31 | ccKep | create table: tablename = {} |
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| 18:05.57 | ccKep | input: either 1) tablename[key] = value or 2) tinsert(tablename, value_or_element) |
| 18:06.24 | ccKep | output: Print(tablename[key]) for example |
| 18:07.24 | Saryai | And how would I track the two main elements there? IE: Player name and active tag. |
| 18:07.43 | Saryai | They'd need to be stored together, or have some way of telling that that player is active. |
| 18:07.58 | ccKep | you just store a table inside a table |
| 18:08.00 | ccKep | sek. |
| 18:08.54 | ccKep | like http://ace.pastey.net/72064 |
| 18:09.45 | Saryai | Would that work dynamically, to add new players to the list as their AceComm messages are received? |
| 18:09.52 | ccKep | sure |
| 18:10.19 | Saryai | Any modding needed for that, or should that work fairly well about how it is? |
| 18:10.50 | Saryai | (Never worked with Lua tables before... Usually I'd just throw this into a matrix and call it good) |
| 18:11.04 | ccKep | let's say you're initializing your addin with AddonName = AceLibrary("AceAddon-2.0"):new(...) |
| 18:11.13 | ccKep | you could then AddonName.sometable = {} |
| 18:11.21 | ccKep | and access that table everywhere in the addon |
| 18:11.34 | ccKep | using self.sometable or AddonName.sometable |
| 18:12.18 | Saryai | And then tinsert(sometable, pname) as needed. |
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| 18:12.33 | Fisker- | nice |
| 18:12.35 | Fisker- | just found a depleted cloak |
| 18:12.40 | Fisker- | anyone know what it's worth? |
| 18:12.44 | Saryai | Awesome. |
| 18:12.46 | Saryai | And dunno. |
| 18:12.56 | ccKep | self.sometable (if you're doing it inside an AddonName:Blubb() function) or AddonName.sometable (if your doing it in some random function) |
| 18:13.07 | dreamss | not much if its depleted :P |
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| 18:14.43 | Fisker- | i almost smiled |
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| 18:16.26 | Saryai | So I know how to add the playername to the table, but working off the dynamic/infinite table thing, where would I be adding the active tag there? |
| 18:16.53 | UaU|Alexo | hi, whats the name of the addon that show the casting bar (+lifebar) above a player npc |
| 18:17.26 | Saryai | Same as the pastey, IE: tinsert(sometable, pname) ; player = ( name=pname active=true )? |
| 18:17.35 | Saryai | Alexo: Aloft? |
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| 18:18.14 | UaU|Alexo | maybe i ll try thx |
| 18:18.18 | Saryai | Hope I'm not making that more complicated than it is. >.> |
| 18:18.35 | Josh_Borke | what is your question? |
| 18:18.53 | UaU|Alexo | me ? ^^ |
| 18:18.59 | Saryai | Indexing a player name + active tag (true/false) in a table dynamically. |
| 18:19.10 | Saryai | Then calling it alphabetically when needed. |
| 18:19.23 | Josh_Borke | if you want a reference to the table within the first table you have to store it in a separate table |
| 18:19.40 | aemuth | lo guys, i can't get my bankitems to show in arkinventory, when i pres the hotkey it show a screen with no data, i also get a category error at startup, any tips? |
| 18:20.05 | Saryai | http://ace.pastey.net/72064 is the example I was given, question is about how I'd implement that to work off AceComm messages to add names and tags for pulling later. |
| 18:20.29 | Josh_Borke | ptbl = {}; sometable = {}, tinsert(sometable, { name= "PlayerA", active=true }), ptbl["PlayerA"] = #someTable |
| 18:20.32 | Josh_Borke | read the pil |
| 18:20.33 | Josh_Borke | ~pil |
| 18:20.33 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, pil is Programming in Lua. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in hardcover and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 18:20.34 | CIA-14 | 03ktrigger * r46285 10Numen/ (Numen_Button.lua Numen_Data.lua Numen_PopButton.lua): |
| 18:20.34 | CIA-14 | Numen: |
| 18:20.34 | CIA-14 | - Added unloading code for classes and data files. |
| 18:20.57 | Saryai | Looks like that's gonna be perfect. Thanks Josh. |
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| 18:23.57 | [dRaCo] | is there any doc for aceconsole out there? |
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| 18:25.38 | Fisker- | Anyone know how i can fix my pallypowar? |
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| 18:26.21 | ccKep | [dRaCo]: only one I know is http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceConsole-2.0 |
| 18:26.31 | ccKep | autodoc though |
| 18:26.43 | [dRaCo] | yeah, thanks... not very helpful, though |
| 18:26.47 | ccKep | and basically only the Print's ;) |
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| 18:29.03 | Fisker- | lol |
| 18:29.15 | Fisker- | that was annoying |
| 18:29.21 | Fisker- | it had reset it's scale but not it's position |
| 18:29.25 | Fisker- | so it was scaled off screen |
| 18:31.04 | Saryai | Alright, here's what I have for the segments dealing with the table, so far: http://ace.pastey.net/72067 |
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| 18:31.20 | Saryai | Seem like that'll work? |
| 18:32.21 | Fisker- | Antiarc can i has moment of your time? |
| 18:32.30 | Antiarc | Sure |
| 18:32.49 | Fisker- | For some reason my GD doesn't support ImageColorMatch() |
| 18:32.57 | Fisker- | but i just removed the function and it seems to work fine |
| 18:32.57 | Antiarc | Which version? |
| 18:33.02 | Fisker- | 2.1.1 it looks like |
| 18:33.04 | Antiarc | Hrm |
| 18:33.08 | Antiarc | That should support it |
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| 18:33.13 | Antiarc | You mean for the sig gen, I assume? |
| 18:33.15 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 18:33.39 | Antiarc | Oh, if you want |
| 18:33.51 | Antiarc | Ah, right |
| 18:33.57 | Antiarc | It's because you have SaveBandwidth turned off |
| 18:34.07 | Fisker- | ah :) |
| 18:34.10 | Antiarc | That method does a 24-bit -> 8-bit conversion |
| 18:34.28 | Fisker- | ok |
| 18:34.41 | Fisker- | how did i make referrers for multiple hosts again btw? |
| 18:37.07 | Antiarc | what do you mean? |
| 18:37.17 | rubik | Antiarc: any idea why 5 seconds into tanking Prince, our MT's threat would get pegged at 300k? |
| 18:37.27 | Fisker- | well i got it working for one host |
| 18:37.35 | Fisker- | but my intended target unfortunately does not have the same dns |
| 18:37.37 | Antiarc | rubik: Persistent bug that I haven't figured out yet :/ |
| 18:37.42 | rubik | it only happened once but we were lol and we went crazy with the dps. |
| 18:37.49 | rubik | haha.. k.. was funny to see |
| 18:37.50 | Fisker- | so i need a referer for my own site so it can show the sig and for the target site so it can hotlink |
| 18:37.52 | Antiarc | Fisker-: There's a regex at the top of the file |
| 18:37.57 | Antiarc | So you can mess with that as necessary |
| 18:38.09 | rubik | shammy thought perhaps one of his totems might have messed with Omen/Threat |
| 18:38.13 | Antiarc | You could set OKReferers to (domain1\.com|domain2\.com) |
| 18:38.19 | Fisker- | ok |
| 18:38.21 | Fisker- | thanks :) |
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| 18:40.06 | aemuth | could anyone help me with arkinventory, when i toggle the bank bags its shows no data |
| 18:42.57 | kergoth | have you gone to the bank? and is the option for it to store bank data enabled? |
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| 18:47.36 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46286 10Relog/ (5 files): Relog - Adds a button to the table display for adding new columns |
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| 18:48.05 | aemuth | kergoth: ive been to the bank, and lemme check on that option |
| 18:48.07 | Thorgard | I think I just peed a little in my pants. :/ |
| 18:50.26 | aemuth | kergoth: i can't find that option in the menu, you know where it is? |
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| 18:58.19 | kergoth | aemuth, not offhand, i can hop on and check |
| 18:58.42 | Ominous_ | hmm wow seems to crash alot running under wine on ubuntu, is there anything i can do to reduce this and/or is there a way to shut wow without crashing my laptop when this happens |
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| 18:59.04 | dreamss | install winxp |
| 18:59.06 | dreamss | :P |
| 18:59.13 | Ominous_ | :P |
| 18:59.17 | ckknight | Antiarc: so how's unemployment treating you? |
| 18:59.58 | aemuth | kergoth: hm well i think something else is wrong, the option from bagfu to open all bags at bank on visit wont work either... |
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| 19:07.15 | kergoth | odd |
| 19:09.38 | kergoth | hm, wheres nymbia at when ya need him |
| 19:09.42 | Gamefaq | mhhh |
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| 19:09.57 | CIA-14 | 03grayhoof * r46287 10sct/ (install.txt readme.txt sct.toc sct_event_config.lua): sct: 5.7 commit |
| 19:10.19 | Saryai | Strange: Getting "GIR\Core.lua:48: unexpected symbol near 'local' " - Nothing odd there. The line is < local version = 1 > Any ideas? |
| 19:11.04 | Grum_ | prolly some un terminated statement above? |
| 19:11.08 | Grum_ | you did an if without end? |
| 19:11.08 | kergoth | quartz's tradeskillmerge is buggy combined with stitchui, apparently |
| 19:11.09 | CIA-14 | 03grayhoof * r46288 10sctd/ (readme.txt sctd.lua sctd.toc): sctd: 2.4 commit |
| 19:11.17 | Saryai | Hmm... Lemme check. |
| 19:11.20 | Josh_Borke | what is stitchui? |
| 19:11.45 | kergoth | its a basic crafting queue |
| 19:11.58 | kergoth | puts icons up on the screen fo reach item in the queue, and when one finishes, you just click on the next to continue |
| 19:12.06 | kergoth | works nicely |
| 19:12.07 | dylanm | Yeah I think that's Nymbia's. |
| 19:12.12 | Josh_Borke | ah, cool |
| 19:12.27 | Saryai | While that's reloading, http://ace.pastey.net/72068 is the beginning of the file. |
| 19:12.35 | Saryai | And same error... Hmm... |
| 19:13.02 | Saryai | Think I found it. |
| 19:13.05 | Josh_Borke | Saryai: you cannot do self.active = 1 |
| 19:13.13 | [dRaCo] | is there a simple way to get the current time for an addon? doesnt matter if it's server time or something else... |
| 19:13.14 | Josh_Borke | you can't even reference self there |
| 19:13.18 | Josh_Borke | GetTime() |
| 19:13.19 | Josh_Borke | date() |
| 19:13.29 | Josh_Borke | look at www.wowwiki.com |
| 19:13.30 | [dRaCo] | thanks... too easy for me ;) |
| 19:13.33 | Saryai | Think I was missing some brackets. |
| 19:13.56 | Josh_Borke | you cannot do what you are doing |
| 19:14.02 | Josh_Borke | Saryai: that is directed towards you |
| 19:14.17 | Josh_Borke | Saryai: local ch = self.db.char.channel makes absolutely no sense in that context |
| 19:14.50 | Saryai | It's an abbreviation used a few times later. |
| 19:15.05 | Saryai | Unless I should be doing that another way? |
| 19:15.19 | Josh_Borke | where is self defined? |
| 19:15.40 | Saryai | Good question. |
| 19:15.49 | Josh_Borke | that's why it makes no sense |
| 19:16.51 | Saryai | self.x would be equal to gir.x when defined, correct? |
| 19:17.12 | kergoth | looks like if you add 40 of one item, 20 of another, and 10 of another, to the stitchui queue, the quartz tradeskill merge gets its count set to 40, then 20, then 10.. so when you craft 40 of an item it thinks is 10, your timer bar's time goes negative |
| 19:17.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:17.42 | Saryai | Just for the heck of it... Time to do some mass edits. |
| 19:19.40 | Saryai | Line 44 error, unexpected symbol near =. |
| 19:19.42 | Saryai | >.< |
| 19:20.53 | Josh_Borke | Saryai: why do you have that ,? |
| 19:21.51 | Saryai | Hmm... |
| 19:22.07 | Saryai | Comma doesn't seem to be breaking it, same error. |
| 19:23.22 | haste | you are missing a } Saryai |
| 19:24.51 | Saryai | Another? Grr. |
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| 19:25.38 | haste | at leas ton the pastey up there |
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| 19:25.53 | Saryai | Probably fixed it. |
| 19:26.22 | Saryai | http://ace.pastey.net/72070 |
| 19:26.39 | CIA-14 | 03mikma * r46289 10Ace3/ (15 files in 7 dirs): Ace3: Initial import, 3 cards, card game. |
| 19:27.28 | Saryai | Current error: GIR\Core.lua:43: unexpected symbol near '}' |
| 19:27.44 | Saryai | Squashed. |
| 19:27.55 | Saryai | Reloading.. |
| 19:28.27 | Saryai | Back to: GIR\Core.lua:44: unexpected symbol near '=' |
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| 19:28.42 | Saryai | Disregard the missing comma at 40. |
| 19:29.53 | Saryai | I have this strange feeling that something was mistyped in the library calls. |
| 19:30.00 | Silviu- | mikma why ace3 ? ;) |
| 19:31.23 | Thrae | Silviu-: It's Shadowed's project, which mikma is a part of. Shadowed named it. |
| 19:31.33 | Cryect | haha |
| 19:31.34 | Silviu- | Heh ;) |
| 19:32.47 | Shadowed | mikma's project actually |
| 19:33.27 | Cryect | being so modest |
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| 19:33.36 | Silviu- | The name is a little strange ;) |
| 19:34.32 | ckknight | wtf, mikma |
| 19:34.49 | ckknight | mikma: you know I'm working on the real Ace3 |
| 19:35.57 | ckknight | mikma: I suggest you remove it before I do |
| 19:36.03 | ckknight | well, rename |
| 19:38.16 | Saryai | GIR\Core.lua:44: unexpected symbol near '=' - http://ace.pastey.net/72072 and I'm wondering where the mistake is. |
| 19:38.46 | Saryai | If only Pastey could highlight problem spots. >.> |
| 19:39.13 | ckknight | comma shouldn't be there |
| 19:39.16 | ckknight | on line 42 |
| 19:39.41 | Saryai | Ah. |
| 19:39.54 | Saryai | Suddenly that makes sense. |
| 19:40.00 | CIA-14 | 03grayhoof * r46290 10sctd/ (localization.lua sctd.lua): sctd: Fix version check |
| 19:40.16 | CIA-14 | 03mikma * r46291 10/trunk/ (3Card/ Ace3/): 3Card: Rename |
| 19:40.21 | Ominous_ | ckknight: hows that coming on btw? |
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| 19:40.40 | ckknight | working on AceConfig now |
| 19:40.49 | Ominous_ | sounds interesting |
| 19:40.59 | durcyn | mikma: eek, use externals ffs |
| 19:41.01 | Ominous_ | is that like ace options tabeles? |
| 19:42.00 | Thrae | durcyn: Externals for released addons are the lose. We have no other option until WAU supports /tags then to only use externals in /branches. |
| 19:42.03 | ckknight | it's like Waterfall in the core |
| 19:42.10 | ckknight | also, it fixes most of the issues with AceOptions |
| 19:42.15 | [dRaCo] | any way to round a float to a given number of decimals? |
| 19:42.26 | durcyn | Thrae: you're high on something |
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| 19:42.39 | Cryect | string.format("%.2f",float) |
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| 19:42.56 | Cryect | or you could use math.floor etc if you want to do it manually |
| 19:43.02 | Ominous_ | ckknight: nice |
| 19:43.22 | [dRaCo] | math.floor(float * 100) / 100 looked weird... |
| 19:43.33 | Thrae | durcyn: Never trust anyone until you can test it yourself. Don't force all WAU users to beta test Ace even though the revision you coded with works fine. |
| 19:43.41 | Cryect | math.floor(float*100+0.5)/100 if you want to round up |
| 19:44.02 | Cryect | it can look weird though if the numbers don't work due to float inaccuracy |
| 19:44.18 | ckknight | Thrae and I have very differing views on that situation |
| 19:44.44 | Thrae | ~emulate ckknight |
| 19:44.44 | purl | <@ckknight> f*ck you, guy |
| 19:44.46 | Ominous_ | Thrae: when you go to waus wiki page you have to read about how it gets BETA addons |
| 19:44.48 | CIA-14 | 03grayhoof * r46292 10sct_options/localization.lua: sct_options: Fix version |
| 19:44.53 | [dRaCo] | how do I specify the number of decimals when using string.format("%.2f",float)? |
| 19:44.56 | durcyn | two hundred different versionf of the same lib present their own issues |
| 19:44.59 | ckknight | durcyn: the |
| 19:44.59 | ckknight | 2 |
| 19:45.00 | durcyn | versions rather |
| 19:45.05 | [dRaCo] | thanks |
| 19:45.09 | ckknight | err, [dRaCo] |
| 19:45.10 | Cryect | yeah switch the 2 with something |
| 19:45.18 | Cryect | you can also specify leading 0's by 0number |
| 19:45.22 | ckknight | durcyn: totally, it'll cause nothing but issues. |
| 19:45.41 | Thrae | Ominous_: Right now, there's no way in WAU to switch between beta and release. |
| 19:45.53 | Ominous_ | yes but you get wau knowing they are beta addons |
| 19:46.05 | Ominous_ | and addons on the svn are beta |
| 19:46.13 | durcyn | thrae must work in software QA |
| 19:46.32 | ckknight | imho, if you're explicitly not using externals, you shouldn't be using the wowace svn. I'm sure google code would be much better suited. |
| 19:46.41 | Cryect | [dRaCo]]: read up on sprintf http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/clibrary/cstdio/sprintf.html will explain all those little formatting you might want to use |
| 19:46.53 | Saryai | Bah, another. Line 56, unexpected symbol near '.' http://ace.pastey.net/72073 for the snippet. |
| 19:47.12 | Saryai | I'm starting to think I should've been doing this in-game to catch these before this. |
| 19:47.15 | Thrae | Ominous_: Yeah, but Kaelten wants WAU to be a release mechanism, and SVN was designed as way to give both minor and major releases. Right now, WAU only has support for major updates (the "bleeding edge"). It defeats half of SVN's power. |
| 19:47.25 | Thrae | durcyn: Crap, you caught me |
| 19:47.44 | Cryect | line 17 is missing a then |
| 19:47.51 | Cryect | thats for Saryai |
| 19:48.26 | [dRaCo] | Cryect: thanks :) |
| 19:48.27 | Cryect | also line 17 doesn't have an actual expression being evaluated |
| 19:48.35 | Saryai | Hmm. |
| 19:48.42 | Cryect | you want ch~=nil |
| 19:48.48 | Saryai | Ah, thanks. |
| 19:48.50 | [dRaCo] | yay, my crusader/mongoose uptime addon is done :D |
| 19:49.03 | Cryect | so should be "if ch~=nil then" |
| 19:49.05 | [dRaCo] | at least the math stuff... but who needs a gui anyway :> |
| 19:49.40 | Saryai | Reloading now, let's see what the next is. |
| 19:49.50 | Saryai | Bah. |
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| 19:49.55 | Saryai | Still getting an error earlier on. |
| 19:49.58 | Cryect | oh |
| 19:50.00 | Cryect | line 16 |
| 19:50.10 | Cryect | you didn't call a function |
| 19:50.17 | Cryect | you just specified a variable that will error |
| 19:50.28 | ckknight | due to the way libraries are shared between addons, not using externals will cause many more problems than using externals |
| 19:50.54 | Cryect | line 10, you called a function but specified local which only can be defined for some sort of variable |
| 19:51.00 | Cryect | so remove that local |
| 19:51.14 | Cryect | also same on line 8 you can't define GIR.active as local |
| 19:51.20 | Cryect | its in whatever namespace GIR is |
| 19:52.11 | Saryai | Mind a snipped so I can see what you're saying? |
| 19:52.14 | Saryai | *snippet |
| 19:52.25 | Thrae | ckknight: But they -shouldn't-. One of the reasons embeddedness was so cool was because multiple instances of incompatible libraries could exist simontaneously. If a library overwrites with incompatible changes, then the library author's screwed up somewhere. One hack to fix a problem leads to more hacks which lead to more hacks...and then suddenly we have the Matrix. |
| 19:52.27 | Cryect | also when you set GIR.active the local variable ready will no longer be equal |
| 19:52.42 | Cryect | "local GIR.active = 1 " should just be "GIR.active = 1 " |
| 19:52.51 | Saryai | Got it. |
| 19:52.57 | Cryect | This is logic error here "local ready = GIR.active" I think |
| 19:53.02 | Saryai | Ah. |
| 19:53.27 | Saryai | And I'd assume taking the local out of the setcommprefix line, that was an attempted fix I never fixed. |
| 19:53.30 | ckknight | Thrae: I have no idea where you got the matrix from. Also, the multiple instances thing was a flawed system, as it caused memory and cpu overusage, as well as having old bugs linger forever |
| 19:53.31 | Cryect | only tables will stay the same values, you can't store by reference unless its a table (unless there is a trick) |
| 19:53.34 | Cryect | yeah remove that local |
| 19:53.50 | ckknight | Thrae: and the general idea is that major versions aren't incompatible with each other |
| 19:54.07 | ckknight | so, imho, your whole reasoning is flawed for the system we're currently in. |
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| 19:54.18 | Saryai | And on to the next. |
| 19:54.21 | CIA-14 | 03durcyn * r46293 10cyCircled/ (cyCircled.toc embeds.xml): cyCircled: use embeds.xml |
| 19:54.28 | Thrae | ckknight: It should be up to the addon's author to determine when their addon should be updated to a newer major revision, not some automatic process on checkout. |
| 19:54.29 | Saryai | Actually that if not nil you had me fix before. |
| 19:54.31 | ckknight | feel free to use Dongle, wait, they upgrade as well |
| 19:54.43 | Saryai | = expected near 'if' |
| 19:54.56 | Saryai | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.56 | Saryai | then JoinChannelByName(ch) |
| 19:54.59 | ckknight | right, they only update through minor versions, not major versions. |
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| 19:55.00 | Cryect | yeah beacuse line 16 |
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| 19:55.08 | Cryect | " GIR.StatusReady --Announce we're here and ready to broadcast. " |
| 19:55.18 | Cryect | you defined a variable and its expecting you to set it to something |
| 19:55.24 | Saryai | Ah. I see. |
| 19:55.25 | Cryect | you didn't call a function |
| 19:55.31 | Cryect | function calls require () |
| 19:55.46 | Cryect | or set anything I'm not sure what your intent there was |
| 19:56.00 | Saryai | It was a function. |
| 19:56.12 | Saryai | Defined about 20 lines later, actually. |
| 19:56.14 | Cryect | can I advise you go do a hello world addon first :-p |
| 19:56.26 | CIA-14 | 03durcyn * r46294 10cyCircled_Vol/ (cyCircled_Vol.toc embeds.xml): cyCircled_Vol: use embeds.xml |
| 19:56.28 | Saryai | Heh, this *is* my hello world. |
| 19:56.55 | Saryai | Think I can figure it out from here though. |
| 19:57.05 | Saryai | I was just screwing up on the little things. |
| 19:57.25 | Saryai | Thanks for the help Cryect. ^_^ |
| 19:57.55 | Thrae | ckknight: Well, let's not rehash this for the 15th time anyway |
| 19:58.22 | ckknight | Thrae: I'm sorry, but in this given situation, your reasoning is wrong and ill-suited for the programming environment we work in |
| 19:58.49 | ckknight | and any addons which do not use externals should be fixed, because major issues will arise because of it |
| 19:58.56 | ckknight | potentially |
| 19:59.34 | Thrae | ckknight: Major issues should never arise unless there are major changes to a lib without the major version changing, which should never happen. |
| 19:59.50 | ckknight | not in the code itself, necessarily |
| 19:59.55 | ckknight | but users will have issues |
| 20:00.04 | ckknight | "what, I specified no externals, why does this addon have it?" |
| 20:00.22 | ckknight | also, the addon would be constantly out of date, possibly the revision they're using has a nasty bug or something |
| 20:00.53 | Thrae | ckknight: Of course right now, the ideal isn't really possible, since /trunk exists for both release AND bleeding-edge. For bleeding-edge, it makes sense to use an external. But for release, and minor patches on release, you should keep everything as stable as possible until you can test it. /tags will help faciliate this, because it's a simple copy. |
| 20:01.21 | ckknight | I completely disagree, it doesn't fit into the system we're using |
| 20:01.33 | ckknight | you're free to not use our svn, you know |
| 20:01.37 | ckknight | and have your own tag system |
| 20:01.51 | durcyn | speaking as a user, i don't give a rat's ass if an addon is tagged as a 'release version' |
| 20:02.03 | durcyn | it simply doesn't matter in the context of a trivial ui modification in a video game |
| 20:02.03 | Thrae | ckknight: For instance, I use the Wowace SVN only for releases, hence I don't use externals. I put my /trunk and /branches on a Google SVN until the Wowace SVN changes. |
| 20:02.21 | ckknight | seems like a misuse of our svn, honestly |
| 20:02.37 | ckknight | durcyn: pretty much |
| 20:03.04 | Thrae | durcyn: You might think differently when you're in the middle of a raid and suddenly your addons go wacky because you just updated beforehand ^^; |
| 20:03.17 | durcyn | i have, and i don't |
| 20:03.20 | Tuller | I thought kael was planning on implementing some sort of tagging |
| 20:03.30 | ckknight | Tuller: oh yea, in a little while |
| 20:03.31 | SaladFork | Thrae - one of my recently-updated WowAce addons prevented me from setting MTs last night, =\ |
| 20:03.33 | Thrae | He is, and separate project areas |
| 20:03.42 | Kyahx | The user dosent cared because the user probley dosen't know the difference. They also expect to be able to mass-update 15 seconds later if something is broken and have it work again |
| 20:03.48 | Tuller | so if you do that, then you're not going to want to have libs auto update in those tags |
| 20:03.55 | Tuller | else they're pointless |
| 20:04.09 | Thrae | Tuller: /tags is a copy, it's non-versioned. It might support externals, but I don't think it does. |
| 20:04.23 | sylvanaar | right - you need side-by-side libraries |
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| 20:04.45 | ckknight | unless you have tagged libraries or something, but that causes its own issues |
| 20:04.54 | Tuller | yes, you have to test them :) |
| 20:05.12 | Thrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.14 | ckknight | due to the upgrade process always going with the largest version, no matter if it'd be in trunk or tags |
| 20:05.29 | ckknight | so if you have a single non-tag addon, it'll use the latest libraries |
| 20:05.58 | sylvanaar | yep - you cant mix those 2 concepts |
| 20:06.01 | ckknight | also, if everyone uses tags, then no one outside of maybe 20 people total would test the development version |
| 20:06.05 | Thrae | If it's not in tags, then it can be considered bleeding-edge |
| 20:06.12 | ckknight | sylvanaar knows this from experience, with the Prat branch |
| 20:06.19 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 20:06.22 | sylvanaar | no kidding |
| 20:06.31 | Kyahx | People who wanted to test could still install a SVN client and grab the trunk versions |
| 20:06.43 | Kyahx | and those are the people who actually help, not cry when things are broken |
| 20:06.45 | ckknight | all 20 of them? |
| 20:06.48 | Kyahx | Yes |
| 20:06.54 | Thrae | Kyahx: The idea with WAU is to support BOTH /trunk AND /tags |
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| 20:07.09 | ckknight | nah, people do help, also, there will be easier ways to help once we get Ace3 going et al |
| 20:07.30 | Thrae | You're all forgetting that one of the reasons the Wowace SVN exploded was because it was being so heavily used...even though many of the more popular addons were also being released on wowi, or were seriously still in beta |
| 20:07.46 | Thrae | There's a ton of people who love getting the bleeding edge, and WAU already supports that |
| 20:07.59 | ckknight | releasing on ui sites has too little ROI for me |
| 20:08.05 | ckknight | which is why I typically don't do it |
| 20:08.26 | Tuller | you get more of the general public, and less technical people? |
| 20:08.40 | Thrae | Tuller: Well those "technical people" aren't going to go anywhere |
| 20:08.47 | ckknight | also it takes a lot of effort to put my mods on ui sites, since I have so many |
| 20:08.58 | ckknight | that's the main issue |
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| 20:09.00 | Thrae | If WAU keeps /trunk and adds /tags |
| 20:09.18 | Tuller | Thrae: I meant that in the ratio sense :) |
| 20:09.18 | ckknight | if the investment were lowered, I wouldn't have any issue with my mods on ui sites |
| 20:09.19 | Thrae | I don't see why people would leave for a feature ADDED, nor why people who like betas suddenly switch to only stable |
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| 20:10.14 | Thrae | I'd think we'd just gain people who don't like getting the possibility of a broken addon |
| 20:10.22 | sylvanaar | cosmos used to have that stable or alpha - you got to pick one or the other |
| 20:10.31 | sylvanaar | you didnt get to mix them |
| 20:11.01 | Thrae | Note that you don't HAVE to tag your addon |
| 20:11.12 | Thrae | If ckknight wants his addons to stay in /trunk, I'm not going to yell at him |
| 20:11.22 | Thrae | I'd expect big projects to stay a long time in /trunk really |
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| 20:11.44 | Thrae | But little addons that work and test fine would be /tag'd quicker |
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| 20:13.09 | Thrae | You see, a big part of the whole /tag in WAU thing would be to better help the developers and the users at the same time. The users get a better chance of grabbing a stable release if they want (dependant on the author's test results), and developers don't have to worry about uploading a 100% broken addon to /trunk. |
| 20:13.15 | ckknight | I don't plan to tag my addons because it would mean significantly less people testing the dev version |
| 20:13.17 | ckknight | *shrug* |
| 20:15.21 | Tuller | people will post comments regardless |
| 20:15.24 | sylvanaar | in order for the tag system to really work you would need to create a "stable set" of libraries that never changed, that seems unrealistic |
| 20:15.30 | Thrae | Then again, /branches and /trunk are kinda reversed for Wowace, where /branches are generally for serious bleeding-edge and /trunk is for more stable code. |
| 20:15.51 | ckknight | I don't see how they're reversed... |
| 20:16.07 | durcyn | where is it written that SVN shall only be used in a specific manner? |
| 20:16.16 | Kyahx | ckknight: There's still a good chunk of people who *don't* use your mods because there aren't tagged release versions thou. |
| 20:16.20 | Thrae | durcyn: Hence why I said "kinda" |
| 20:16.22 | durcyn | i mean, tradition is well and good, but what the hell |
| 20:16.25 | Kyahx | Look at all the comments on Cartogropher on WoWI for isntance |
| 20:16.35 | ckknight | Kyahx: oh, I don't really care about those types |
| 20:16.43 | ckknight | I have enough good users |
| 20:16.56 | ckknight | and not as though I really get all that much out of those wowi types |
| 20:17.01 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: you don't have to use it in any particular way,but good style is good style. It's the same reason you have style standards for coding. |
| 20:17.32 | Thrae | ckknight: It's more about what the community normally uses, and the reasons behind the names. For instance, with a directory called "branches", does it really make sense to make an addon there that doesn't exist in "/trunk"? You'd think "/trunk" would contain a copy of -everything- on the SVN. |
| 20:17.48 | durcyn | all i see here is bureaucracy for its own sake |
| 20:17.55 | ckknight | durcyn: I agree |
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| 20:18.11 | durcyn | codesturbation, if you will |
| 20:18.23 | ckknight | Thrae: branches is where heavy, broken development takes place |
| 20:18.23 | durcyn | but you probably won't, so nevermind |
| 20:18.25 | Thrae | durcyn: I'm not saying "let's reorder the Wowace SVN", I'm just pointing something out |
| 20:18.38 | ckknight | just because something may not exist on trunk doesn't mean it shouldn't exist at all |
| 20:19.02 | kergoth | that's a weak use of svn at best |
| 20:19.03 | Thrae | ckknight: On the Wowace SVN, right. On most other SVNs, it's where minor patches to /trunk or /tags go, ordered by the revision they are patching against. |
| 20:19.12 | kergoth | and violates general conventions among free software repositories |
| 20:19.15 | Thrae | ckknight: Hence why it's called "branches". |
| 20:19.44 | ckknight | what about projects that I don't want the general public using? |
| 20:19.58 | ckknight | I sometimes don't want things on trunk |
| 20:20.00 | NightHawkTheSane | you don't release them,thats what. |
| 20:20.14 | kergoth | indeed. if hte public expects release quality code on trunk, the public are dumbfucks |
| 20:20.21 | Tuller | ckknight: that's what releases are for :P |
| 20:20.26 | ckknight | so I'm not allowed on the svn, then? |
| 20:20.27 | NightHawkTheSane | or, at the very least, /tags |
| 20:20.48 | ckknight | I want developers to see my code, but not users |
| 20:20.55 | ckknight | in some cases |
| 20:20.56 | kergoth | you just don't know how to use svn sanely, that's all. this is why a monolithic repo is bad. everyone has their own preferences about svn repo layout and policy. |
| 20:21.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: thats precisely what trunk is for. |
| 20:21.10 | Thrae | ckknight: Well, normally you'd just use /tags, and people that want the bleeding edge would use /trunk, knowing that some of them may be WIP. Any user can download from svn.wowace.com if we're talking about the Wowace SVN. |
| 20:21.14 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: yea, but users are dumb |
| 20:21.24 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: because you've indoctrinated them to BE dumb. |
| 20:21.33 | ckknight | oh noes |
| 20:21.44 | sylvanaar | no, they come like that |
| 20:21.46 | ckknight | I'm not going to sit here and be attacked |
| 20:21.57 | kergoth | if hte users whine, who the fuck cares? grow a spine, ck. its you obeying every whim of every idiot user that leads to the bloat that's in ace2 today |
| 20:22.15 | Thrae | ckknight: Basically, Wowace SVN could flip the usage of /branches and /trunk and be more in line with the conventions. However, I'm not saying this -has- to be done, I was only pointing it out. It's really too late to force such a convention on people after all this time. |
| 20:22.25 | ckknight | kergoth: I'm developing Joker in branches so that developers don't code against it, mainly, and users don't ask too many questions |
| 20:22.32 | NightHawkTheSane | the wowace svn is set up to encourage end users to utilize code on trunk, you can't complain when those users then expect trunk to be release code, even though it shouldn't be. |
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| 20:23.18 | ckknight | kergoth: imho, the bloat isn't due to the users |
| 20:23.30 | kergoth | of course it is. never heard of feature creep? |
| 20:23.32 | sylvanaar | see - though it was said that everything on the svn is non-release code |
| 20:23.34 | kergoth | "ck, add feature xyz" |
| 20:23.35 | kergoth | and you do |
| 20:23.39 | kergoth | and next thing you know its a pile |
| 20:24.00 | ckknight | not to Ace2 itself |
| 20:24.05 | NightHawkTheSane | sylvanaar: thats the catechism wowace uses, but isn't strictly true, typically /tags is used for releases. |
| 20:24.07 | SaladFork | Sure |
| 20:24.13 | ckknight | I tend to only listen to developers when talking about Ace2 itself |
| 20:24.48 | Tuller | they're users too :P |
| 20:24.55 | sylvanaar | NightHawkTheSane tags is used to label/tag/snapshot stuff for whatever reason |
| 20:24.58 | ckknight | for addons like Parrot or Cartographer, I'll listen to users |
| 20:25.03 | NightHawkTheSane | sylvanaar: such as releases. ;) |
| 20:25.26 | sylvanaar | thats one use |
| 20:25.28 | Thrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.32 | NightHawkTheSane | granted, its not the only thing /tags is used for, but it is one |
| 20:26.46 | Thrae | Merging and diffs in SVN is very cool and not used nearly often enough...I see a lot of people offering bug fixes and code additions in for the form of pasteys even when they have SVN access and could just put it in /branches |
| 20:27.06 | ckknight | making a branch has a low ROI |
| 20:27.14 | Thrae | ckknight: You have a low ROI |
| 20:27.21 | ckknight | don't. |
| 20:27.24 | Thrae | Sorry, I just had to say that |
| 20:27.25 | cryogen | republic of ireland? |
| 20:27.30 | ckknight | return on investment |
| 20:27.32 | Tornhoof | return of investment |
| 20:27.41 | kergoth | a branch is not hard, nor is it heavy. its a copy, and merges are not difficult. |
| 20:27.55 | Thrae | ckknight: In that case, I was talking about -other- people making the /branches, not the original developer |
| 20:27.59 | NightHawkTheSane | svn mkdir /path/to/new/branch, yup that was hard. |
| 20:28.09 | Cyrez | Bloat is due to the users IMHO. They think more about the features they do need than the features they don't need, and then complain when they lose a few FPS, but then they find another "feature" they want added. |
| 20:28.26 | Tuller | just say no! |
| 20:28.37 | ckknight | Cyrez: but kergoth was complaining that somehow users were asking for features in Ace2 itself |
| 20:29.02 | Cyrez | That doesn't make any sense. |
| 20:29.08 | dreamss | heh |
| 20:29.21 | Cyrez | That's not the way Ace2 works. |
| 20:29.23 | ckknight | right. |
| 20:30.16 | Tuller | so you just added bloat for no reason? |
| 20:30.31 | ckknight | no, I had requests from developers themselves |
| 20:30.32 | Tuller | someone must have requested a feature |
| 20:30.33 | ckknight | not users |
| 20:30.35 | Tuller | they're users |
| 20:30.40 | kergoth | i said users, not end users. developers are users of ace2. |
| 20:30.40 | Cyrez | So, anyway, I was about to say as an example that I just replaced simpleMinimap with a few xxx:Hide()'s in an XML file and got what I really needed. |
| 20:30.59 | ckknight | kergoth: alright, I categorize them differently |
| 20:31.15 | Tuller | you may think they're smarter because they can code, but they're still users |
| 20:31.37 | ckknight | I still categorize them differently. |
| 20:32.10 | Cyrez | It's more about how you think than what you do. |
| 20:33.06 | dreamss | btw how come library requriments are poorly documented on the addons itself? |
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| 20:33.52 | Grum_ | how are they poorly documented? you have the Addon.toc which states which ones it needs right? :) |
| 20:33.56 | ckknight | that should be handled in the toc |
| 20:34.38 | Leachim | Sorry for interrupting you ;) Is there a way to hide the Violation Icon on the minimap? |
| 20:34.45 | dreamss | i had several addons dont list all their dependecies on the Addons menu |
| 20:34.57 | sylvanaar | they shouldnt |
| 20:35.01 | ckknight | dreamss: they shouldn't |
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| 20:35.10 | sylvanaar | that would be bad |
| 20:35.17 | Cyrez | X-Embeds FTW. |
| 20:35.25 | dreamss | cause of embed libs? |
| 20:35.42 | sylvanaar | not just that |
| 20:36.08 | sylvanaar | it also causes the libraries to be loaded before they are needed |
| 20:36.19 | Cyrez | It's in the docs that NO addon should have Ace2 as a dependency. |
| 20:36.55 | ckknight | except other libraries. |
| 20:37.15 | ckknight | which means you're doing standalone anyway |
| 20:37.18 | dreamss | heh i see |
| 20:37.28 | dreamss | yeah i like standalone |
| 20:38.40 | Grum_ | bah why is this addon not getting along with me ;D |
| 20:39.12 | Grum_ | do i need to RegisterDefaults before i can start using my AceDB created storage? :( |
| 20:39.24 | ckknight | yes |
| 20:39.29 | ckknight | of course you do |
| 20:40.31 | Grum_ | i dont get the 'ofcourse' |
| 20:40.48 | Grum_ | :) |
| 20:41.26 | Grum_ | i basicly have to make the template of that i will use and if i'll be filling a table with keys i have to use '*' to indicate that? |
| 20:41.27 | ckknight | if it doesn't have defaults, how does it know what structure to handle? |
| 20:41.37 | ckknight | yes |
| 20:41.42 | Grum_ | riiight! |
| 20:41.49 | Grum_ | that explains a lot ;D |
| 20:42.17 | Grum_ | and you bind a certain 'structure' to either char/realm/profile orso? |
| 20:43.12 | ckknight | yes |
| 20:43.23 | ckknight | which is the first argument to :RegisterDefaults |
| 20:43.32 | ckknight | :RegisterDefaults("char", {...}) |
| 20:43.44 | Grum_ | so it's not possible to 'just put in a table', you have to define that first with RegisterDefaults? |
| 20:44.03 | ckknight | right. |
| 20:44.08 | Grum_ | humz now i wonder what i will put into it ;D ... |
| 20:44.17 | Grum_ | now i have to think of what i will make before i make it! gah! ;D |
| 20:45.19 | Grum_ | "routes" = { ['*'] = {} } |
| 20:45.21 | Cyrez | I was talking to my roommate... People asking for more features in Ace2 is like asking somebody to install a toaster in a car. |
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| 20:45.45 | ckknight | oh man, you could have toast cooking while you're driving along |
| 20:45.52 | Grum_ | that will make me: bla.db.$type.routes.$zone.table_with_values here right? :) |
| 20:45.53 | ckknight | it'd be hard to butter with your hands on the wheel, though |
| 20:46.06 | ckknight | yea, that'd work |
| 20:46.19 | Grum_ | sorry for all the nubquestions btw .. but i'm getting there |
| 20:46.24 | Cyrez | It could work but the point is it's not a great idea. |
| 20:46.26 | Grum_ | lots of hurdles to take before i get something which is working :) |
| 20:46.37 | Cyrez | And you'd probably blow a few fuses. |
| 20:46.40 | Grum_ | thanks for the pointers ckknight :) |
| 20:46.45 | ckknight | :-) |
| 20:46.53 | ckknight | Cyrez: but it'd be so tasty |
| 20:47.07 | Grum_ | that also explains the horrible errors i've seen .. i think .. i hope ;)\ |
| 20:47.10 | Cyrez | I just need a George Foreman and I'm good to go. |
| 20:47.11 | ckknight | but yea, most of the bloat in Ace2 is my fault |
| 20:47.18 | ckknight | through some idea I've had |
| 20:47.28 | ckknight | George Foreman on the dash |
| 20:48.11 | Cyrez | So Joker is the good stuff without the bloat and without the little trimmings that are hardly ever used? |
| 20:48.23 | ckknight | that's the idea |
| 20:48.26 | Cryect | The more times you do it the better you get at something |
| 20:48.31 | ckknight | I also made the API a lot more consistent |
| 20:49.12 | ckknight | and a big change will be the consolidation of options |
| 20:49.35 | Cyrez | Mmmm, options... |
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| 20:49.40 | ckknight | which is the biggest difference from the user's perspective |
| 20:50.01 | Cyrez | I like Niagara. I wish every addon's options showed up in Niagara. |
| 20:50.23 | ckknight | Cyrez: basically, LibJokerConfig-1.0 acts like Waterfall/Niagara |
| 20:50.30 | Cyrez | Sexy. |
| 20:50.39 | Tuller | if they don't look ugly :) |
| 20:50.45 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46296 10Relog/ (5 files): |
| 20:50.45 | CIA-14 | Relog - Adds window ordering in so windows won't overlap |
| 20:50.45 | CIA-14 | - Renames a badly labeled file |
| 20:50.53 | ckknight | nah, it's quite nice-looking |
| 20:50.54 | Cyrez | I wanna save my real estate for things other than all those damned config buttons. |
| 20:51.01 | ckknight | totally agree |
| 20:51.08 | ckknight | I hate having 20 FuBar plugins that are just config |
| 20:51.18 | ckknight | I just want one |
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| 20:53.59 | ckknight | the general idea would be that /ace would pop up the menu (there might also be a minimap button) |
| 20:54.13 | ckknight | but for individual addons, /fubar would pop up the menu specifically opened for FuBar |
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| 20:55.43 | Cyrez | I'd like to see an addon that has config stuff for other addons... So, you can have config dialogs for stuff that isn't based on your API. |
| 20:55.48 | Amadeo | Anyone make a premade Hunter on the test realms? |
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| 20:56.30 | Cyrez | It'd, like, IDK, take a look at your list and be like, "Oh, this is such-and-such..." and activate a section for it. |
| 20:56.34 | Punkie` | ckknight: http://images.apple.com/macosx/leopard/features/images/desktop_gallery_stackszoom20070611.jpg <--- for FuBar, kk? :p |
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| 20:57.30 | Cyrez | I have a few that stick me with /commands. >< |
| 20:57.42 | Grum_ | <ckknight> I just want one <-- doesnt DeuceCommander do just that? |
| 20:59.54 | Tuller | just please, please do not make everything a 90 level deep menu |
| 21:00.05 | Grum_ | i hate those menus tbh |
| 21:00.14 | Grum_ | i love waterfall-like configs |
| 21:00.25 | Cyrez | Niagara for the pwnage. |
| 21:00.33 | Grum_ | :) |
| 21:00.40 | Grum_ | which addons use Niagara which are commonly use? |
| 21:00.46 | Tuller | niagara still sucks if you have a 90 level deep menu :P |
| 21:00.47 | Grum_ | so i can visualize it ;D |
| 21:00.50 | Grum_ | hehe |
| 21:01.26 | sb | hmmm Cryect |
| 21:01.29 | sb | relog 12mb? :o |
| 21:02.10 | Grum_ | bah .. work alreayd .. work i say |
| 21:02.55 | Cryect | sb: yeah, I need to work on memory a little |
| 21:04.51 | sb | :) |
| 21:04.51 | sb | okay |
| 21:05.08 | Grum_ | AceOO-2.0: cannot multiply two incompatible objects <-- i dont get this |
| 21:05.35 | Grum_ | i am calling: Cartographer_Notes:getID( 0.4, 0.5 ) and that breaks O.o |
| 21:06.01 | Cryect | Its better than it used to be, it used to get up to like 60mbs then you do a GC and it drops to 3 mb :-p |
| 21:07.16 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46297 10Relog/GUI_Table.lua: Relog - Fixes an issue with the window being quite small and resizing columns |
| 21:10.38 | Grum_ | oh .. i see what happens |
| 21:10.52 | Grum_ | right .. syntactic sugar ftw :) |
| 21:10.59 | kergoth | wahts the hit cap for a hunter? |
| 21:11.19 | Grum_ | should be the same as any other class |
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| 21:11.32 | Grum_ | not sure what it was, 16% orso? |
| 21:12.10 | Diao | well hunters only need 5.6% |
| 21:12.17 | Diao | to hit anything? |
| 21:12.22 | Grum_ | Cartographer_Notes:getID( 0.4, 0.5 ) should be Cartographer:GetModule("Notes").getID( ... ) .. right :) |
| 21:12.36 | SaladFork | You have an 83% chance to hit a level 73 raid boss, and the hard cap is at 99% |
| 21:12.42 | SaladFork | So the most you can gain is +16%. |
| 21:12.53 | Grum_ | i said that .. pay me in cookies |
| 21:13.00 | Grum_ | or code ;D |
| 21:13.06 | Grum_ | nah i want to code .. pay me in help ;D |
| 21:13.07 | Kyahx | Grum_: get ID isn't very complicated, why don't you just copy/paste it into your own code? |
| 21:13.10 | Diao | uhh wtf |
| 21:13.17 | Diao | isn't that for casters SaladFork |
| 21:13.22 | Grum_ | Kyahx: because code duplication is the worst thing you can do |
| 21:13.41 | SaladFork | Diao - Someone mentioned it was the same as any other class, I was merely contributing what I knew, =) |
| 21:13.47 | Diao | for melee |
| 21:13.49 | Diao | it's 5.6% |
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| 21:13.54 | Diao | well physical |
| 21:13.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Diao: I think hunters need more than just the standard 5% miss rate, last I heard ranged attacks were kinda wonky |
| 21:14.32 | Diao | i'm pretty sure it's not much over 5% though |
| 21:14.34 | NightHawkTheSane | I think ~9-11% hit is probably good for a raiding hunter at 70, but I'm honestly just guessing on my month or so old knowledge. |
| 21:14.41 | Diao | one of our guild hunters has like 7% hit and never misses |
| 21:14.43 | Grum_ | Kyahx: besides i have no problem making in dependant on Cartographer_Notes .. my addon is also 'just a plugin' for it :) |
| 21:15.06 | Funkeh` | loes |
| 21:15.09 | Kyahx | *shrug* it sounds like your having a really hard time actually using Carto's function thou :P |
| 21:15.14 | Kyahx | and its only a few lines |
| 21:15.27 | Kyahx | Code duplication of a few hundread lines might be a problem, 10 isn't that big a deal |
| 21:15.47 | Thrae | I wonder if an addon already exists that has a module which is dependant on another module which is dependant on another module which is dependant on the 1st said module. |
| 21:16.21 | Diao | dependency loop? |
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| 21:16.54 | Amadeo | That's a lot of modules |
| 21:17.25 | Thrae | Borg addons like to be split up into modules these days, like Prat, BigWigs, PitBull, etc. |
| 21:17.40 | Funkeh` | I hardly call bigwigs borg |
| 21:18.04 | Kyahx | Its a hell of a lot bigger than it used to be =X |
| 21:18.07 | Kyahx | and not just because of new bosses |
| 21:18.08 | Amadeo | Last time I used a Borg addon, I tried to set us up the bomb |
| 21:18.11 | Thrae | BigWigs is less borgish then the others listed, yeah, but it's still modularized |
| 21:18.25 | Grum_ | explain 'Borg' :D |
| 21:18.28 | Thrae | YOUR FEATURES SHALL BE ASSIMILATED. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. |
| 21:18.40 | Funkeh` | Kyahx: thats more at fault for blizzard for making challenging boss encoutners and nature for spawning human retards |
| 21:18.45 | Grum_ | right .. 'featurerich'? :) |
| 21:18.49 | kebinusan | I prefer 'kitchen sink' |
| 21:19.16 | ckknight | Grum_: yes, it does, but it's not in the Ace core. |
| 21:19.21 | Diao | lol |
| 21:19.24 | kebinusan | As for bigwigs tho, I find it to be just as big as it needs to be |
| 21:19.27 | Grum_ | Kyahx: the fact its a pain .. is because this is my first addon =D |
| 21:19.45 | Grum_ | and i still dont quite get how lua handles the 'fake objects' and 'namespaces' |
| 21:19.49 | Funkeh` | whats up with ace3 'card game' |
| 21:19.51 | Grum_ | looks a bit fuzzy imho ;D |
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| 21:20.10 | Thrae | Grum_: Basically taking a lot of features that may share a little bit of code, and may have all similiar catagories, but ultimately could easily exist as 100 separate addons without any real loss. Addons like Prat make up for this by trying to make as many modules as possible optionally LoD. |
| 21:20.47 | Grum_ | well i wonder if what prat this is 'so bad' |
| 21:20.58 | Grum_ | (that is if this practice is considered bad at all) |
| 21:21.02 | harldephin | ? |
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| 21:21.25 | Diao | it's annoying for your addons folder |
| 21:21.28 | Diao | but nice for your memory usage ingame |
| 21:21.34 | Kyahx | Not neccearily |
| 21:21.36 | Thrae | It's not bad, it's just dangerous if implemented incorrectly. 100 modules integrated means 100 modules that can break the entire thing, and added error checking to help prevent that can add a huge amount of bloat. Prat was pretty nicely done in this regard. |
| 21:21.36 | Grum_ | but .. who cares about the amount of folders? |
| 21:22.01 | creepwood | I'm getting alot of .net exceptions trying to run the WAU. :/ |
| 21:22.04 | Grum_ | Thrae: isn't that what wowace is becoming as well then? |
| 21:22.09 | CIA-14 | 03durcyn * r46298 10cyCircled/cyCircled.toc: cyCircled: fix previous toc fuckup, i blame my text editor. |
| 21:22.14 | Grum_ | creepwood: vista? O.o |
| 21:22.24 | creepwood | xp |
| 21:22.33 | Grum_ | .NET 2.0? :) |
| 21:22.39 | creepwood | aye, repaired it as well |
| 21:22.46 | harldephin | i'm not getting any .net exceptions |
| 21:22.47 | Grum_ | 'repaired' sounds broken ;D |
| 21:23.04 | creepwood | yeah I got .net exceptions, and ran the setup on add/remove programs. |
| 21:23.16 | Grum_ | and you removed it and installed it from scratch again? |
| 21:23.39 | creepwood | that I haven't done yet since I made a repair of it, there was 2 options, but I'll do that and get back to you |
| 21:24.18 | Amadeo | Someone should remake old MiniGroup unit frames, I think they're still my favorite after all this time - http://i9.tinypic.com/4yp3lgl.jpg |
| 21:24.19 | creepwood | thought I had to do with the .net 3 so I remvoed that too |
| 21:24.57 | vithos | re: hunter's miss rate: we have 95% base chance to hit, and the level difference from 70 to 73 (aka weapon skill to target defense) gives -3.60%, so you need 8.60% hit rating, or less if you have +weapon skill gear |
| 21:25.06 | creepwood | could .net 1.1 mess it up? |
| 21:25.09 | Thrae | Amadeo: ag` was making Minigroup2, but then changed to agUF, which has a Minigroup layout |
| 21:25.09 | baer_ | | |
| 21:25.23 | Grum_ | creepwood: just uninstall 2.0 and download+install it again :) |
| 21:25.31 | Amadeo | Thrae: It was never like that though |
| 21:25.55 | creepwood | doing as we speak P |
| 21:26.07 | Amadeo | It had individual frames that were smashed together for the party :P |
| 21:26.09 | creepwood | was just thinking if I should uninstall 1.1 as well |
| 21:26.24 | Grum_ | nah they should be completely seperated |
| 21:26.41 | Saroz | Ace3? Force rename IMO |
| 21:27.11 | Grum_ | could someone explain why some addons do something like: local function getID(x, y) |
| 21:27.11 | Grum_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.29 | Grum_ | right without the newline .. and then: D |
| 21:27.32 | Grum_ | ASDLH |
| 21:27.39 | Grum_ | ok .. pastebot where are you |
| 21:27.57 | harldephin | /topic |
| 21:28.30 | Grum_ | http://ace.pastey.net/72080 |
| 21:28.55 | CIA-14 | 03durcyn * r46299 10cyCircled/cyCircled.toc: cyCircled: actually fix the toc this time, thanks Silviu. |
| 21:28.58 | Grum_ | i dont get why they dont do function Cartographer_Notes:getID( ...... ) end |
| 21:29.11 | Funkeh` | *sigh* at baggins breaking because of silly waterfall requirement |
| 21:29.47 | Diao | hm |
| 21:29.55 | Diao | anyone use an addon to hide tracking buttons |
| 21:29.58 | Diao | on the minimap |
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| 21:31.48 | vithos | simpleMinimap |
| 21:32.19 | Diao | well the only button i need to hide is the tracking herbs/etc one |
| 21:32.21 | Diao | nothing else :P |
| 21:32.51 | vithos | it hides each one individually, but i don't know of any other addon that does it |
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| 21:33.40 | Amadeo | Tanja: That's the first time I've seen Yugoslavia |
| 21:33.54 | Tanja | ok so? |
| 21:34.17 | Amadeo | Now I finally know it exists |
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| 21:34.47 | Tanja | It doesn't exist anymore |
| 21:34.53 | Tanja | I'm from SERBIA |
| 21:35.02 | Amadeo | Blasphemy! |
| 21:35.10 | CIA-14 | 03durcyn * r46300 10cyCircled/cyCircled.toc: cyCircled: one of these days, I'm going to fix vim so it doesn't choke on UTF-8. and when that day comes, you won't see ten commit messages for the same file. Sigh. |
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| 21:38.11 | wunderboob | u guys know of a guild map thing that show the member of a guild on map? |
| 21:38.17 | Guillotine | Cartographer |
| 21:38.20 | Guillotine | and/or GuildMap |
| 21:38.26 | Guillotine | but Cartographer>.* |
| 21:38.34 | CIA-14 | 03silviu * r46301 10cyCircled/cyCircled.toc: cyCircled: Now it should be fixed that toc |
| 21:38.38 | wunderboob | i use cartogrpher |
| 21:38.43 | wunderboob | what option? |
| 21:38.44 | durcyn | Silviu-: =( |
| 21:38.47 | Silviu- | :) |
| 21:38.49 | Guillotine | if your guild members have it, it will show them on the map :) |
| 21:38.51 | SaladFork | Guild Positions |
| 21:38.54 | Guillotine | but they have to have it |
| 21:39.05 | wunderboob | ok cool |
| 21:39.22 | wunderboob | also i have bug wit prat2 |
| 21:39.55 | wunderboob | i hav lowdown off but when i look at diff chan and i zone or whtvr |
| 21:40.06 | wunderboob | it change the chat to general |
| 21:40.10 | wunderboob | not the one i have |
| 21:40.34 | wunderboob | so like if i have a party/raid chat open it make go back to general whnvr i zone some place or fly |
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| 21:40.45 | Guillotine | ping Sylvanaar |
| 21:41.07 | wunderboob | what ping? |
| 21:44.04 | Grum_ | *ponders* .. those metatable fake objects are .. hairy :D |
| 21:44.05 | CIA-14 | 03darkimakuni * r46302 103Card/ (13 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 21:44.05 | CIA-14 | 3Card: |
| 21:44.05 | CIA-14 | - Finalise renaming |
| 21:44.05 | CIA-14 | - Slash command is now /card |
| 21:44.05 | CIA-14 | - Updated rules.txt |
| 21:44.06 | CIA-14 | - Nuked non-external'd lib files |
| 21:44.08 | CIA-14 | - Use embeds.xml |
| 21:44.57 | wunderboob | k well i will wait for someone |
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| 21:56.06 | CIA-14 | 03darkimakuni * r46303 10TeamSqueak/ (Core.lua Options.lua): |
| 21:56.06 | CIA-14 | TeamSqueak |
| 21:56.06 | CIA-14 | - Set keywords |
| 22:00.33 | CIA-14 | 03silviu * r46304 10ElkBuffBars/ElkBuffBars.toc: ElkBuffBars: Use embeds.xml |
| 22:02.42 | Silviu- | hmm strange i forgot to upload embeds.xml itself |
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| 22:06.05 | Funkeh` | omg you idiot |
| 22:06.10 | Funkeh` | nah kidding ;p |
| 22:06.16 | Silviu- | unkeh` |
| 22:06.21 | Silviu- | Funkeh` |
| 22:06.28 | Silviu- | I don`t find the command to actually add it :/ |
| 22:06.40 | Silviu- | I have it on my local copy |
| 22:06.41 | Silviu- | But hmm |
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| 22:07.11 | Funkeh` | right click the file |
| 22:07.16 | Funkeh` | tortoisesvn > add |
| 22:07.25 | Silviu- | i have svn command line :/ |
| 22:07.59 | Funkeh` | no idea then |
| 22:08.16 | dre^ | greetings all :) I'm looking for a way to find the standard cooldown of player spells (untalented). Is there any concise list of spells / abilities? This is in the context of me wanting to draw cooldown timers for spells of party members. |
| 22:08.58 | dre^ | the only such list I've found is in nature enemy cast bar, but... I'm hoping for a different option. |
| 22:11.21 | Tuller | if I were to do such a thing, I'd have them send me the cooldown info |
| 22:12.38 | dre^ | yeah. I guess in my case, my party members could have it installed |
| 22:12.53 | dre^ | seems like blizz should provide a basic 'global spellbook' of sorts... |
| 22:13.01 | dre^ | just with basic spell info so people don't have to be doing their own lists |
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| 22:13.46 | creepwood | there. uninstalled .net 2.0, restarted, reinstalled it, same error |
| 22:13.54 | creepwood | Error During Download: System.Net.WebException: Unable to connect to the remote server ---> System.Net.Sockets.SocketException: The attempted operation is not supported for the type of object referenced |
| 22:16.07 | CIA-14 | 03silviu * r46305 10ElkBuffBars/embeds.xml: |
| 22:16.07 | CIA-14 | ElkBuffBars |
| 22:16.07 | CIA-14 | - And the file this time |
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| 22:18.34 | creepwood | oh well. wau2 seems to work ^^ |
| 22:18.36 | Grum_ | creepwood: so how is your firewall called? |
| 22:19.24 | creepwood | same as on my stationary computer which doesn't have the problem, sp2 built in FW |
| 22:20.24 | creepwood | anyway, wau2 seems to work somewhat, exceot that I can't scroll amongst the addons. |
| 22:22.24 | creepwood | aren't allowed to cross anything in either, only thing it managed to do is update my already installed addons ^^ |
| 22:24.09 | SaladFork | Woah, tables are fun. |
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| 22:25.51 | SaladFork | Oh noes |
| 22:25.57 | SaladFork | Comparing strings with numbers |
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| 22:28.04 | SaladFork | Aha |
| 22:28.10 | SaladFork | tonumber() |
| 22:28.12 | SaladFork | =) |
| 22:31.31 | CIA-14 | 03funkydude * r46306 10Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Threat-1.0: possible Supremus threat wipe fix |
| 22:31.57 | SaladFork | Woah, I just finished my first mini-addon |
| 22:32.03 | SaladFork | /cheer |
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| 22:39.11 | Grum_ | what did you write SaladFork? |
| 22:43.06 | creepwood | Grum, is wau2 suppose to be that you can't cross in anything? |
| 22:50.56 | CIA-14 | 03toadkiller * r46307 10AutoBar/libs/: |
| 22:50.56 | CIA-14 | AutoBar: |
| 22:50.56 | CIA-14 | fix tabletlib |
| 22:50.57 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46308 10Relog/ (GUI_Table.lua Relog.lua parse.lua): Relog - Can now sort by a column on the Table Window |
| 22:51.42 | ckknight | grats, SaladFork |
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| 22:56.01 | SaladFork | Ty ck |
| 22:56.03 | SaladFork | (sorry, had mIRC minimized) |
| 22:56.38 | SaladFork | I made an addon that lets me type /track add [itemlink/itemid/itemname], and then I can type /track list |
| 22:56.46 | SaladFork | And it will list all items I added along with the item counts |
| 22:56.58 | SaladFork | Just added a /track del too |
| 22:57.05 | SaladFork | And a profiling feature, =D |
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| 22:58.46 | creepwood | I know I'm new here and all, but there has to be someone here that knows if everything should be greyed out in wau2? |
| 22:59.28 | SaladFork | I've programmed/scripted in other languages, but this is the first time I'm doing anything in LUA, ;) |
| 23:00.38 | SaladFork | So far it's nothing too fancy, though I'm loving tables, they're a bunch of fun |
| 23:03.37 | SaladFork | Now to make it plug into Fubar, then maybe give it a nice GUI |
| 23:03.49 | Grum_ | :) |
| 23:04.07 | Grum_ | i'm somehow struggling to have my addon save it's crap to his SavedVariabled O.o |
| 23:04.13 | SaladFork | o.O |
| 23:04.24 | SaladFork | Just include AceDB-2.0, and call RegisterDB |
| 23:04.32 | SaladFork | then use self.db.profile for your variables |
| 23:04.34 | SaladFork | And Ace does the rest |
| 23:04.34 | SaladFork | =D |
| 23:04.46 | CIA-14 | 03ascalia * r46309 10AtlasLoot_OldInstances/original.en.lua: |
| 23:04.46 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot_OldInstances: |
| 23:04.46 | CIA-14 | - loot update |
| 23:05.43 | Grum_ | well i'm making an plugin for Cartographer |
| 23:06.05 | Grum_ | it somehow doesnt store the data where i expect it |
| 23:06.13 | SaladFork | heh |
| 23:06.44 | Grum_ | ah! it actually did store it |
| 23:06.53 | Grum_ | but .. why .. not .. in .. the spot i expected it! |
| 23:08.00 | SaladFork | Hey, if I want to make this Fubar compatible, I assume I need to give it an icon |
| 23:08.09 | SaladFork | I see stuff like nterface\\Icons\\Whatever |
| 23:08.14 | SaladFork | Is there somewhere I can look those up? |
| 23:08.22 | ckknight | Grum_: ? |
| 23:08.37 | ckknight | SaladFork: Lua, not LUA |
| 23:08.46 | SaladFork | Ah, thanks, =) |
| 23:08.54 | Grum_ | well, Cartographer_Miner stores stuff in his own SavedVariables file |
| 23:09.01 | Punkie` | It needs some more ACE2 imo |
| 23:09.37 | Grum_ | Atm i'm using Cartographer:RegisterDB("Routes") .. but it seems that i might want to store it in a seperate DB as well ... |
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| 23:09.47 | Grum_ | oh the work! :\ |
| 23:09.56 | dre^ | can anybody help me understand why GetSpellCooldown("Frost Nova", "PLAYER") is returning 1.5 for 'duration' instead of the actual cooldown of frost nova? |
| 23:10.06 | ckknight | Punkie`: ... |
| 23:10.10 | Punkie` | hehe |
| 23:10.12 | Punkie` | awesome |
| 23:10.15 | Grum_ | dre^: global cooldown? O.o |
| 23:10.34 | dre^ | grum: ok... how do I get the cooldown of Frost Nova? |
| 23:10.38 | SaladFork | Dre - what return arg are you grabbing? |
| 23:10.42 | Grum_ | i dunno:'( |
| 23:10.43 | dre^ | the second argument |
| 23:10.50 | dre^ | time, duration = ... |
| 23:11.06 | dre^ | and 1.5 is not a global cooldown ;) |
| 23:11.09 | Grum_ | wouldn't it be .. time then? :( |
| 23:11.17 | dre^ | no, time is when you cast it |
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| 23:11.27 | SaladFork | GetSpellCooldown returns startTime, duration, and then enable |
| 23:11.30 | dre^ | duration is supposedly duration until cooldown for the named spell is up, but... I'm getting 1.5 |
| 23:11.38 | dre^ | right, duration of what? heh |
| 23:11.47 | SaladFork | Dre - did you try BOOKTYPE_SPELL? |
| 23:11.55 | dre^ | as the type? I did not |
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| 23:13.43 | SaladFork | Dre, did it work? |
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| 23:14.02 | dre^ | 'BOOKTYPE_SPELL' did not |
| 23:14.04 | dre^ | trying 'spell' |
| 23:14.11 | SaladFork | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSpellCooldown |
| 23:14.15 | dre^ | I don't know valid booktypes |
| 23:14.16 | SaladFork | "OOKTYPE_SPELL or BOOKTYPE_PET depending on whether you wish to query the player or pet spellbook." |
| 23:14.20 | SaladFork | BOOKTYPE* |
| 23:14.42 | dre^ | ok, so start, dur = GetSpellCooldown(spell, "BOOKTYPE_SPELL") |
| 23:14.58 | dre^ | where 'spell' is the name from UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED |
| 23:15.11 | SaladFork | Does that return a spellID? |
| 23:15.27 | dre^ | no it returns unit, name, rank |
| 23:15.35 | dre^ | but GetSpellCooldown supposedly works with name salso |
| 23:15.38 | dre^ | "names also" |
| 23:15.45 | SaladFork | It doesn't according to WoWWiki |
| 23:15.51 | SaladFork | It has to take a number as input for the first argument |
| 23:15.54 | SaladFork | And you're giving it a string |
| 23:15.59 | SaladFork | Maybe it defaults to the global cooldown? |
| 23:16.11 | dre^ | etSpellCooldown(spellName or spellID, "bookType") - Retrieves data on the cooldown of a specific spell. |
| 23:16.23 | dre^ | the index page says it does, the actual item page doesn't mention it |
| 23:16.29 | dre^ | so I guess I need to get the spell ID |
| 23:16.31 | SaladFork | Interesting |
| 23:16.34 | SaladFork | That's odd |
| 23:16.41 | SaladFork | GetSpellName(spellID, "bookType") |
| 23:16.45 | SaladFork | Try that |
| 23:16.51 | SaladFork | so |
| 23:17.13 | dre^ | well the point is that UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDEED doesn't return spell ID, so I need some other way to get it |
| 23:17.23 | SaladFork | GetSpellCooldown(GetSpellName(spell,"BOOKTYPE_SPELL"),"BOOKTYPE_SPELL") |
| 23:17.27 | SaladFork | That seems realllly redundant |
| 23:17.42 | dre^ | hmm |
| 23:18.04 | dre^ | why would GetSpellName help here? |
| 23:18.12 | [dRaCo] | it wouldnt |
| 23:18.13 | dre^ | I already know the name |
| 23:18.15 | SaladFork | It wouldn't, I just confused myself |
| 23:18.33 | dre^ | if there were GetSpellID that would be great |
| 23:18.34 | dre^ | but there's not |
| 23:18.38 | [dRaCo] | has babble-spell got the IDs, too? |
| 23:19.04 | SaladFork | spellID is the index of a spell in a spellbook. |
| 23:19.09 | SaladFork | o.O |
| 23:19.18 | dre^ | I think I'm going to have to register for multiple events, instead of just using the simpler UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED |
| 23:19.24 | dre^ | bummer |
| 23:19.33 | SaladFork | Blizz is really making this hard for you, XD |
| 23:20.12 | dre^ | the problem is that now I have to handle interruptions, cancels, etc |
| 23:20.17 | dre^ | I think |
| 23:21.03 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46310 10Relog/ (6 files): |
| 23:21.03 | CIA-14 | Relog - Is now at a semiusable state |
| 23:21.03 | CIA-14 | - /relog will pop up the Table window if hidden |
| 23:21.03 | CIA-14 | - can now set the filter for the table window by clicking the net icon |
| 23:22.14 | Cyrez | ckknight: Ping! |
| 23:22.37 | ckknight | pong |
| 23:22.39 | ckknight | what's up? |
| 23:22.53 | dre^ | ok... I guess all I really need to do is keep the cooldown of the most recently started cast (if non-zero), and then if I get UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED and unit = player, I'll know that I cast a spell and I'll know the cooldown on it. |
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| 23:23.20 | dre^ | (and more importantly, I can shunt that info through the addon chat channel...) |
| 23:23.29 | Cyrez | When I enter or leave an instance with any Rage on my Warrior, it 0's out as it always does but the bar in Pitbull doesn't update. |
| 23:23.47 | Cyrez | It says 0/100 but I see [|||| ] |
| 23:23.53 | ckknight | bah |
| 23:24.13 | SaladFork | Ck - Any idea where I can look up the icons ("Interface\\Icons\\Spell_Nature_Polymorph", etc.)? |
| 23:24.35 | Cyrez | I hadn't updated it a while but I did before I just started playing and it was still doing that. |
| 23:24.49 | Cyrez | So I thought I should let ya noe. |
| 23:25.09 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46311 10Relog/WindowOrder.lua: Relog - Adds a missing file |
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| 23:25.36 | Cyrez | As soon as I hit something to get some Rage, it's fine. |
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| 23:26.37 | OWNAGE | How is everyone doing? |
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| 23:28.02 | dre^ | gah, ok. is there any easy way to get the spell ID of a spell that I just cast, without iterating through every friggin spell slot trying to match the name to get the spell id? |
| 23:28.02 | Cyrez | Full of fried sausage and eggs but thinking of caffeine. |
| 23:28.40 | dre^ | none of the spell cast events seem to return spell id |
| 23:28.42 | dre^ | just name |
| 23:29.17 | Sole | weird |
| 23:29.20 | Silviu- | ckknight around ? |
| 23:29.37 | dre^ | but I really don't care about the spell ID if I can just get the cooldown instead... |
| 23:29.48 | ckknight | busy |
| 23:29.50 | Silviu- | [Guild:IsEqual([Guild#player])?Blue][Guild:Angle:Green] how to make this line show the guild name in blue when player is in my guild and green for rest ? |
| 23:30.08 | ckknight | ?Blue!Green |
| 23:30.47 | Silviu- | Ok thx |
| 23:30.49 | dre^ | SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN is "fired when the spell cooldown starts" and returns one argument, which is the START time of the cooldown? how useful is that? like, doesn't even tell you what spell? |
| 23:31.32 | dre^ | I hope I'm just misunderstanding this, and that it's really not this anemic. |
| 23:33.26 | dre^ | wow, people are actually iterating through all the bags and all the spellbook slots |
| 23:33.43 | sb | Cryect: auto-scroll down on new entries (when scrolled down) and it'd be great :) |
| 23:37.06 | dre^ | here's a tidy GetSpellID function: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1288 |
| 23:37.17 | dre^ | amazing that blizz doesn't have this in the standard library, lol |
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| 23:39.31 | SaladFork | Wait dre |
| 23:39.36 | SaladFork | SpellID is based on location in spellbook |
| 23:39.42 | dre^ | I know |
| 23:39.44 | SaladFork | That means you can't search for it if someone else is casting the spell |
| 23:39.47 | dre^ | I know |
| 23:39.50 | SaladFork | Okay, =) |
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| 23:39.52 | dre^ | I want MY spell IDs :) |
| 23:39.55 | SaladFork | hehe |
| 23:40.10 | dre^ | I can only get coolers on my spells anyway |
| 23:40.12 | dre^ | so that's fine |
| 23:41.40 | SaladFork | Woot, I just custom designed a Fubar image, =D |
| 23:41.48 | Diao | omfg |
| 23:41.51 | Diao | wow |
| 23:41.54 | Diao | when did they change this |
| 23:41.57 | SaladFork | ? |
| 23:41.58 | Diao | curse of exhaustion and hamstring stack now |
| 23:42.03 | Diao | i was just slowed |
| 23:42.04 | Diao | to 25% |
| 23:42.09 | Diao | by an imp CoEx + hamstring |
| 23:42.14 | Diao | that's pretty bs |
| 23:42.25 | dre^ | blessing of freedom || free action potion :) |
| 23:42.49 | Keias | I agree completely |
| 23:42.50 | Diao | i mean |
| 23:42.54 | Keias | Warriors NEED a paladin |
| 23:43.00 | Diao | i was on epic mount with riding crop |
| 23:43.03 | Keias | They come issued with one when you train mortal strike |
| 23:43.03 | Diao | that's 220% movement |
| 23:43.14 | Diao | then i get hit with an amp coex + hamstring |
| 23:43.19 | Diao | and drop to 44% movement |
| 23:43.21 | Diao | wtf is that bs |
| 23:46.15 | dre^ | Ok, I'm using start, dur = GetSpellCooldown(id, BOOKTYPE_SPELL) and it's STILL returning 1.5 for cooldown duration (dur) |
| 23:46.23 | dre^ | id is verified as correct |
| 23:46.40 | Cryect | because its 1.5 seconds due to GCD? |
| 23:46.45 | dre^ | it must be |
| 23:46.49 | dre^ | even arcane explosion returns 1.5 |
| 23:47.29 | dre^ | so clearly I'm doing it wrong. The docs for this method mention nothing about a global cooldown, and after all I am passing in a specific spell ID |
| 23:47.46 | dre^ | I don't know why you'd need spell ID to ask for global cooldown |
| 23:48.03 | dre^ | but beside that, I thought gcd was 1 second? |
| 23:48.09 | Diao | no |
| 23:48.11 | Diao | gcd is 1.5 |
| 23:48.12 | Diao | for all classes |
| 23:48.13 | Diao | except rogue |
| 23:48.14 | dre^ | ok |
| 23:48.26 | Diao | special cases |
| 23:48.28 | Diao | of course |
| 23:48.32 | Diao | such as spellhaste lowering gcd |
| 23:48.35 | dre^ | then I guess I need to find another api method |
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| 23:49.51 | Diao | why do you need a spellcooldown for spells that only have a GCD anyway |
| 23:49.54 | dre^ | it's just hard to believe the docs could be this wrong |
| 23:49.55 | dre^ | I don't |
| 23:49.59 | dre^ | I want it for things like frost nova, etc |
| 23:50.26 | dre^ | I was just pointing out that I'm not receiving the expected information from GetSpellCooldown |
| 23:50.41 | dre^ | supposed to return 0 as second arg if no cooldown, I get 1.5 instead |
| 23:50.53 | Diao | !api GetSpellCooldown |
| 23:50.54 | ThraeBot | Diao: local start, duration = GetSpellCooldown(spellID, "bookType"); -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSpellCooldown |
| 23:51.01 | dre^ | ya I've been reading htat |
| 23:51.08 | Thrae | dre^: You're probably left with either scanning talents, or scanning tooltips |
| 23:51.16 | dre^ | no no, I HAVE the spell ID |
| 23:51.27 | dre^ | I'm supposed to be able to get hte cooldown |
| 23:51.48 | dre^ | is the concensus that this method is simply broken, or that I'm using it wrong? |
| 23:51.55 | Thrae | dre^: Right, but the cooldown given is the base cooldown, not the cooldown + talents |
| 23:52.07 | dre^ | so how is 1.5 anywehre close for either AE or frost nova? |
| 23:52.11 | dre^ | it's not |
| 23:52.16 | dre^ | AE should be 0 |
| 23:52.26 | dre^ | frost nova should be 25 |
| 23:52.48 | dre^ | it's true that either I"m using this method wrong, or it's way broken |
| 23:52.59 | dre^ | or the docs or wrong |
| 23:54.21 | dre^ | guess I need to use the tools for ripping out the blizzard lua so I can look at it directly |
| 23:55.18 | Diao | isn't fn 26 too |
| 23:55.31 | Thrae | dre^: It has global cooldown |
| 23:55.57 | Cryect | dre^ some abilities don't activate the global cooldown |
| 23:56.00 | Cryect | thhey will report 0 |
| 23:56.12 | Cryect | check the cooldown on Counterspell |
| 23:56.14 | dre^ | so really 'duration' means 'time until this spell can be cast' |
| 23:56.16 | Thrae | Right, those are the only ones that would |
| 23:56.25 | dre^ | which is a totally bizarre interpretation of 'duration' for a method called GetSpellCooldown |
| 23:56.29 | dre^ | but whatever :) |
| 23:56.43 | Cryect | Uh its the duration of the spellcooldown |
| 23:56.50 | dre^ | then why do I get 1.5 for frost nova? |
| 23:56.52 | Thrae | dre^: duration is the duration of the cooldown |
| 23:56.53 | dre^ | after I cast it |
| 23:57.04 | dre^ | I can't cast it again for 25 seconds |
| 23:57.05 | Cryect | duration never changes |
| 23:57.16 | Cryect | only thing that should change is start |
| 23:57.29 | dre^ | I want the duration of the cooldown |
| 23:57.30 | dre^ | e.g. 25 |
| 23:57.36 | Arrowmaster | scan the tooltip |
| 23:57.45 | dre^ | seriously? |
| 23:57.47 | Thrae | dre^: Like I said, scan the tooltip |
| 23:58.01 | dre^ | that seems bizarre :) where does the tooltip get it? |
| 23:58.09 | Arrowmaster | from the game |
| 23:58.10 | Thrae | dre^: Protected functions |
| 23:58.13 | dre^ | bah |
| 23:58.25 | Arrowmaster | check how hourglass does it |
| 23:58.41 | Arrowmaster | if it uses the tooltip then your only option is tooltip |
| 23:58.43 | Thrae | dre^: Slouken never added the functions to grab it because "you can always scan the tooltip to get the info you need, which works fine" |
| 23:59.03 | Cryect | heh did slouken say that? :-p |
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| 23:59.10 | dre^ | here's what I'm doing: using an addon chat channel to send cooldown info about party spells. |
| 23:59.13 | Thrae | Cryect: Indeed, a long time ago ;) |
| 23:59.18 | Cryect | I hate how we have to parse so much text which should be just numbers |
| 23:59.25 | dre^ | Cryect: no doubt |
| 23:59.48 | Thrae | Cryect: Parsing text isn't that bad really, if you give a sane pattern |
| 23:59.52 | dre^ | what do I use to scan tooltips? |
