| 00:00.04 | Mudkips | download w/o externals and went auto dependancy |
| 00:00.08 | NightHawkAtWork | In anycase |
| 00:01.26 | Pkekyo | Mudkips: no I don't |
| 00:01.33 | Pkekyo | translations? what translations? |
| 00:03.02 | KarlThePagan | Mudkips, unless you have no other choice try to use wau 1.9 |
| 00:03.13 | KarlThePagan | there's a versioning bug with 2.0 right now |
| 00:03.15 | Mudkips | I just switched to 1.9 last night |
| 00:03.20 | KarlThePagan | ah cool |
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| 00:03.25 | KarlThePagan | i'm really screwed at work |
| 00:03.28 | Mudkips | I found that forum post about the winsock error and was able to get it working again |
| 00:04.01 | CIA-14 | 03tawerner * r46054 10Menagerie/ (8 files in 3 dirs): |
| 00:04.01 | CIA-14 | Menagerie: Initial commit |
| 00:04.01 | CIA-14 | - Swaps minipets and mounts when visiting the bank. |
| 00:04.38 | Pkekyo | what translations? |
| 00:05.06 | dodga | Pkekyo: Spellnames, Zonenames, you name it |
| 00:05.32 | Pkekyo | yeah, but...translated from what into what? |
| 00:05.51 | dodga | From English into any language WoW supports |
| 00:06.39 | Pkekyo | and I would have that because? :p |
| 00:06.56 | dodga | I'm no expert at this, but my guess would be |
| 00:07.11 | dodga | So people with non-US clients enjoy the same addons you do? |
| 00:08.04 | Pkekyo | is there any reason I should have it when everything I'm running is in english? |
| 00:08.32 | dodga | Okay picture this |
| 00:08.35 | dodga | You're writing an addon |
| 00:08.44 | Pkekyo | I'd wish :p |
| 00:09.07 | dodga | And you need the names of certain spells |
| 00:09.16 | dodga | You obviously have some choices |
| 00:09.45 | dodga | You hardcode them into your addon - making it a living nightmare for people with a client in a different language |
| 00:10.07 | dodga | Also, if you write a second addon that also needs that information you probably duplicate it, which makes it a hell to maintain |
| 00:10.17 | Arrowmaster | Pkekyo: simple answer, you probably need to have babble or your addons will break |
| 00:10.38 | dodga | Arrowmaster: A common, put some effort into that :> |
| 00:12.19 | Pkekyo | ok |
| 00:12.34 | Pkekyo | just annoying me to have 30 fucking Lib folders I don't even know what is |
| 00:12.56 | dodga | Pkekyo: Does it make any difference? It's not like you look into that folder a gazillion times per day |
| 00:13.15 | Pkekyo | well...tbh... :p |
| 00:13.31 | Arrowmaster | so use WAU and dont use embeds |
| 00:13.43 | Ominous_ | does using UIScale reduce preformance? |
| 00:14.10 | dodga | Ominous_: Probably. Everything that gets rendered has to be resized |
| 00:14.55 | Diao | eh |
| 00:14.58 | Diao | it only resizes it once afaik |
| 00:15.01 | Pkekyo | I'm using WAU |
| 00:15.11 | Pkekyo | I fuck about in my addons folder too much though :> |
| 00:15.19 | loonacy | Using UIScale doesn't reduce performance at all. |
| 00:15.22 | dodga | Diao: Yeah probably when it gets SetPointed |
| 00:15.56 | dodga | Or probably when the scale changes |
| 00:17.15 | Pkekyo | oomg I *LOVE* UI scale :> |
| 00:17.34 | Gnarfoz | Pkekyo: you could try and see if WAU cares about the hidden attribute of files/folders. set all your libraries and "not really an addon of its own right"-addons to be hidden and tell the file browser you are using to not show hidden files |
| 00:17.39 | Kaelten | http://www.cursebeta.com/videos/details/443/ |
| 00:17.57 | CIA-14 | 03tawerner * r46055 10Menagerie/: |
| 00:17.58 | CIA-14 | Menagerie: |
| 00:17.58 | CIA-14 | - Trying to add externals. |
| 00:18.03 | Pkekyo | Gnarfoz: didn't understand much of that, sorry |
| 00:19.29 | Ominous_ | bah i wish there was an updater for wowace that worked on linux |
| 00:20.23 | dodga | Doesn't that Java thingie work? |
| 00:20.23 | ckknight | question: |
| 00:20.28 | Ominous | wau2 dosent |
| 00:20.55 | ckknight | when a combat event has a thing like "Hit for 90 (50 blocked)" does that mean you actually only hit for 40? |
| 00:21.31 | dodga | ckknight: I think it means you would have hitted for 140, but 50 got blocked |
| 00:21.41 | Xinhuan | what dodga said |
| 00:21.44 | ckknight | hrm |
| 00:21.49 | dodga | Similar to how Power Word Shield works, where it says hit X (y absorbed) |
| 00:21.54 | Xinhuan | the actual damage is the summed numbers |
| 00:22.18 | Xinhuan | you'll see things like "Hit for 0 (130 blocked)" on well geared warriors in low lvl instance |
| 00:22.26 | Xinhuan | meaning it did 130 damage, all blocked |
| 00:22.40 | Fwip | Actually, if it's a full block, it just says "Name attacked. You block." |
| 00:22.45 | Xinhuan | true |
| 00:22.50 | Fwip | Like how it does for dodge/parry, I think |
| 00:23.00 | Pkekyo | Gnarfoz: what did you mean with "hidden attribute of files/folders"? |
| 00:23.09 | Arrowmaster | Pkekyo: you can set wau to not use embeds, i thought it did that by default now |
| 00:23.25 | Xinhuan | Pkekyo: right click on the folder and choose properties - you'll see some atrributes |
| 00:23.29 | Xinhuan | and one of them is "Hidden" |
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| 00:23.48 | CC--home | does quartz show slice&dice bar? |
| 00:23.51 | Xinhuan | windows explorer doesn't show hidden files/folders unless told to do so in the options |
| 00:24.02 | Kaelten | http://www.wowace.com/stats/july.html |
| 00:24.45 | Xinhuan | many of your windows system files are set with the "hidden" attribute, so that you don't accidentally delete them (for nub users) |
| 00:24.56 | Arrowmaster | dont bother with trying that hidden thing |
| 00:25.00 | Gnarfoz | Pkekyo: -> what Xinhuan explained :) |
| 00:25.03 | Xinhuan | i'm sure it doesn't work anyway |
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| 00:25.17 | Pkekyo | ah, that |
| 00:25.31 | Arrowmaster | just tell wau not to use embeds |
| 00:25.35 | Xinhuan | what you can do is when you login game at the char selection screen, deselect ALL the libraries |
| 00:25.41 | Xinhuan | so that they are disabled |
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| 00:25.44 | Xinhuan | then just login |
| 00:25.47 | Pkekyo | wouldn't it be easier to just put .svn folders in the lib folders? |
| 00:25.50 | Arrowmaster | hes using embeds |
| 00:25.53 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:25.55 | Xinhuan | ACE2 will automatically enable all the ones that ace2 needs |
| 00:26.05 | Pkekyo | what is embeds? |
| 00:26.13 | Xinhuan | (except ParseLib, ace2 refuses to enable that one by itself) |
| 00:26.18 | Pkekyo | is it the same as externals? |
| 00:26.20 | Arrowmaster | libs are LoD so even if they are checked they wont be laoded unless theyre used |
| 00:26.22 | Xinhuan | yes Pkekyo |
| 00:26.27 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: because parser1 is not ace2? :) |
| 00:26.30 | Pkekyo | I update without externals |
| 00:26.37 | Xinhuan | yep - but its named and looks like one |
| 00:26.42 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 00:26.44 | Xinhuan | parserlib3 doesn't load either btw |
| 00:26.52 | ckknight | yes it does |
| 00:26.56 | Xinhuan | it doesn't. |
| 00:27.04 | Xinhuan | i tried disabling it and ace2 doesn't enable it by itself |
| 00:27.05 | ckknight | yes it does, I should know |
| 00:27.07 | Arrowmaster | theres and option for delete before extract and skip version check i think, turn both on and do and update, then turn both off |
| 00:27.12 | ckknight | I wrote it and I tested it |
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| 00:27.17 | Xinhuan | and i have to log out and go back to reenable it manually |
| 00:27.20 | Xinhuan | this was just last week |
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| 00:28.26 | Xinhuan | the thing about using standalone libraries is that instead of having 200 addons each with its own subfolder of say, Babble libraries, you simply have 1 |
| 00:28.32 | Xinhuan | saves quite a bit of diskspace |
| 00:29.17 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc|Work: *cough* July stats say "omen = teh sex" ;D |
| 00:29.41 | Xinhuan | omen only gets that much downloads because of the 10000 revisions it gets everyday ;p |
| 00:30.06 | Gnarfoz | that's kind of a weird statement |
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| 00:30.40 | Xinhuan | if you take some older addon and do a commit everyday and not change anything (add a blank line or something), it'll increase downloads too, simply because the revision number changes and people update |
| 00:30.49 | Gnarfoz | "Only one download per IP is counted." < |
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| 00:31.22 | Xinhuan | yes but the reporting period is like over "2 days" |
| 00:31.22 | Xinhuan | so consider an addon like Teknicolor that gets updated once every 2 months |
| 00:31.25 | Xinhuan | you only download it once every 2 months |
| 00:31.43 | Xinhuan | vs omen that gets 100 revisions everyday |
| 00:31.53 | Gnarfoz | btw, WAU users (other ones (browser users) are not really likely to follow your plan of "just commit, users will update") are separate from the addons |
| 00:32.20 | Xinhuan | well, most users tend to run WAU once in a while |
| 00:32.21 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: that was a month long report |
| 00:32.36 | Xinhuan | hmm the last one Antiarc|Work linked was over 2 days |
| 00:32.39 | Pkekyo | oh, how I love Run-shortcuts in windows ^^ |
| 00:32.41 | Xinhuan | not 30 days |
| 00:32.52 | Kaelten | http://www.wowace.com/stats/july.html |
| 00:32.56 | Kaelten | look at that one |
| 00:33.12 | Gnarfoz | obviously, MOST users don't, because most downloads is: omen, downloaded directly, if I'm not misinterpreting the fact that WAU users have their own list entry |
| 00:33.23 | Gnarfoz | (am I, Kaelten? ^^) |
| 00:33.35 | kergoth | pet leveling sucks ass. |
| 00:33.41 | Kaelten | pretty much Gnarfoz |
| 00:33.42 | Xinhuan | i dont know - what kind of downloads does that include/count? |
| 00:33.51 | Ominous | does WUU unpack etc |
| 00:33.53 | Kaelten | its the only addon to have significant downloads that don't result from WAU |
| 00:34.01 | Kaelten | WAU/WUU/Others that is |
| 00:34.27 | kergoth | got my piggie to 60 finally, and 60-70 is even worse :( |
| 00:34.54 | Gnarfoz | anyway, no real surprise there, it simply kicks too much ass to not be popular ;) |
| 00:35.03 | Xinhuan | heh threat 1.0 has 85k downloads |
| 00:37.10 | Pkekyo | Getting these two errors: http://ace.pastey.net/71964 |
| 00:37.10 | Pkekyo | what to do? |
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| 00:37.32 | Tawerner | bye, folks :) |
| 00:37.38 | Pkekyo | byes /wavies |
| 00:37.43 | Tawerner | :) |
| 00:37.45 | Keias | see ya |
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| 00:38.47 | Pkekyo | also getting !!Tag Error!! on my Aloft bars... |
| 00:39.23 | Xinhuan | is there any point installing both ParserLib and Parser-3.0 ? |
| 00:39.41 | dodga | Pkekyo: There was an update to TagCompiler in some days ago |
| 00:39.45 | kergoth | Xinhuan, uh? if an addon uses parser-3.0, then install parser-3.0. same for the other. |
| 00:39.53 | kergoth | not rocket science, load libs if you run addons that need those libs :P |
| 00:39.57 | loonacy | Pkekyo: Not sure what the official word is on the Tag Error, but I found that disabling and enabling Health Text fixed that for me. |
| 00:40.13 | dodga | Parser-3 has an ParserLib compat layer, so you probably could remove parserlib |
| 00:40.22 | Xinhuan | i mean, SCT lists both as dependancies |
| 00:40.28 | ckknight | ugh. |
| 00:40.42 | ckknight | *shrug* |
| 00:40.46 | ckknight | (use parrot) |
| 00:40.56 | Xinhuan | i do ;p |
| 00:41.06 | Xinhuan | but i've gone back to take a look |
| 00:41.14 | dodga | ckknight: I lately noticed that Parrot "lags" a bit. Anything I can do to speed it up? |
| 00:41.59 | ckknight | lag how? |
| 00:42.37 | dodga | e.g. I gain Heroism, I see my toon grow, I hear the sound but Parrot fires my trigger (which displays HEROISM and plays a more noticeable sound) about 1.5-2.5 seconds later than the actual buff gain |
| 00:42.57 | ckknight | possibly a throttling issue. |
| 00:43.11 | CIA-14 | 03arrowmaster * r46056 10AddonLoader/AddonLoader.lua: AddonLoader: bugfix for always load override |
| 00:43.21 | dodga | Or e.g. I heal somebody, the health in their unit frame grows, but it takes 1-2 seconds until I see it in outgoing events |
| 00:43.37 | Arrowmaster | sounds like the throttle |
| 00:43.45 | dodga | Hm yeah, that would make sense |
| 00:44.10 | dodga | But why does it affect buff gains? (If you say "because I wrote it like, stfu already" it's okay :>) |
| 00:44.21 | dodga | s/like/like that/ |
| 00:44.28 | ckknight | hrm, seems a bit odd |
| 00:44.34 | ckknight | it definitely shouldn't take that long |
| 00:44.50 | ckknight | though actually healing, etc. could |
| 00:44.52 | ckknight | but not buffs... |
| 00:45.24 | Pkekyo | loonacy: do you have to do this every time you log in/out of wow? |
| 00:45.41 | dodga | Also another thing. Is it intended that power gains from different sources do not get merged in throttleing? E.g. all my Vampiric Touch gains are merged, but I still get spammed by Mana Spring totem with its 19 mana/2s or so |
| 00:45.59 | Pkekyo | Getting these two errors: http://ace.pastey.net/71964 anyone got a clue 'bout what to do? |
| 00:46.09 | ckknight | right, dodga |
| 00:46.14 | ckknight | the different spells don't merge |
| 00:46.30 | ckknight | you could add filtering if that's what you want |
| 00:46.33 | dodga | Pkekyo: First error.. get Window-1.0 or how it's called |
| 00:46.58 | dodga | ckknight: I tried once to filter Mana Spring totem, but it shows up as "You gain XX mana from Mana Spring's Totem Mana Spring" and you already told me to stfu about that issue :D |
| 00:47.35 | dodga | Pkekyo: Second error.. try deleting oRA2 (and all folders that begin with oRA2_) and reinstall it |
| 00:47.39 | ckknight | because you did it with suppressions and not mana gain filters. |
| 00:48.01 | dodga | ckknight: Uhm, are filters a new thing or did I overlook that when I configured it like 2 weeks ago? :D |
| 00:48.14 | Arrowmaster | mana spring is every 2 seconds right, i think thats just outside the merging window |
| 00:48.14 | Pkekyo | where to get Window-1.0? WAU doesn't list it... |
| 00:48.29 | ckknight | you overlooked it |
| 00:48.39 | Arrowmaster | Pkekyo: WAU should install it for you automaticly |
| 00:48.46 | kebinusan | anyone know a good mod for raid group templates |
| 00:48.54 | dodga | Pkekyo: It's called WindowLib |
| 00:49.15 | Pkekyo | thanks |
| 00:49.25 | kebinusan | like trying to best fit group composition to like 3 rogues a warrior and shaman in 1 group, 4 casters and a spriest in another, etc |
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| 00:49.51 | dodga | ckknight: Ah that stuff. I already set it to 16, but somebody has a skilled mana spring totem or the like, and if I set the value to high it filters mana gains from VT, which is not what I want :\ |
| 00:50.00 | Xinhuan | kebinusan: do it manually lol |
| 00:50.09 | Pkekyo | [2007/08/09 02:49:41-108-x1]: CowTip-r45289\Text\Text.lua:61: Cannot find a library instance of DogTag-1.0. |
| 00:50.09 | Pkekyo | Ace2\AceLibrary\AceLibrary.lua:470: in function `AceLibrary' |
| 00:50.09 | Pkekyo | CowTip-r45289\Text\Text.lua:61: in main chunk |
| 00:50.09 | Pkekyo | the last error buggrabber shows |
| 00:50.13 | Xinhuan | every raid is different, and every boss is different |
| 00:50.18 | dodga | Pkekyo: Get DogTag :D |
| 00:50.35 | Pkekyo | thought I just did...marked it in wau and all |
| 00:50.36 | ckknight | dodga: well, then as I said before, you could change the tags to show the skill it received from and then use suppressions |
| 00:51.04 | dodga | ckknight: Hm yeah, I'll probably try that |
| 00:51.07 | Arrowmaster | Pkekyo: what version of WAU are you using? |
| 00:51.21 | dodga | But don't have a Shaman within reach now :> |
| 00:51.31 | Pkekyo | when installing a new addon: reloadui isn't enough? |
| 00:51.35 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:51.41 | Pkekyo | wau 1..9 |
| 00:51.44 | Arrowmaster | have to exit game |
| 00:51.52 | Pkekyo | BugSack be empty :> |
| 00:51.55 | Pkekyo | that's what I though |
| 00:51.56 | Pkekyo | t |
| 00:52.12 | Pkekyo | but updates are always /reloadable...? |
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| 00:52.41 | dodga | Pkekyo: You should always restart WoW completely when installing/updating addons |
| 00:53.05 | dodga | I think updates would be okay with reloading, but meh, software is not deterministic :> |
| 00:53.15 | Pkekyo | ^^ |
| 00:53.17 | Arrowmaster | updates only work with reloading if no new files were added |
| 00:53.17 | Garoun|Loupana | That newest change to RestFu is causing an error with enUS clients, or at least mine |
| 00:53.41 | Benjamin | is the files.wowace.com site down for anyone else? |
| 00:53.50 | Garoun|Loupana | for some reason it's trying to force deDE as the default |
| 00:53.56 | dodga | Benjamin: not for me |
| 00:53.59 | Arrowmaster | latest restfu change was by me |
| 00:54.00 | Pkekyo | I usually do /console quit and [win] + R whenever I do anything with addons :> but heard the other day that a /reloadui was enough for updates |
| 00:54.11 | Benjamin | hmmmm |
| 00:54.13 | dodga | Anyway, I'm going to sleep now, gn8 everybody :> |
| 00:54.17 | Arrowmaster | and a while back, dont know why you would be getting errors |
| 00:54.28 | ckknight | Garoun|Loupana: likely, it's loading deDE before enUS |
| 00:54.46 | Pkekyo | Mudkips still here? |
| 00:54.49 | Xinhuan | Pkekyo: only if no new files are added. WoW only checks the existance of files once per startup |
| 00:55.06 | Garoun|Loupana | Can only accept true as a value on the base locale. "deDE" is the base local, enUS is not |
| 00:55.11 | Garoun|Loupana | is the error |
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| 00:55.49 | Pkekyo | wtb mudkips ^^ |
| 00:55.52 | Xinhuan | Garoun|Loupana: try installing that addon |
| 00:55.57 | Garoun|Loupana | and I noticed the most recent changelog was "Added deDE local |
| 00:56.06 | Xinhuan | reinstalling* |
| 00:56.09 | Garoun|Loupana | k |
| 00:58.32 | mitch1 | actually, I think the .toc for restfu is wrong |
| 00:58.40 | Pkekyo | anyone have a tip for making my aguf frames "darker"? |
| 00:58.48 | CIA-14 | 03arrowmaster * r46057 10FuBar_RestFu/FuBar_RestFu.toc: FuBar_RestFu: localization fix |
| 00:58.54 | nymbia | Garoun|Loupana: they likely put the dede file above the enus file in the toc |
| 00:59.17 | Garoun|Loupana | ah ok, I see a fix arrow just pushed :P I'm sure he knows why :P |
| 00:59.34 | Pkekyo | ckknight: how's ace3 coming along? |
| 00:59.54 | ckknight | well, the only part left is the configuration system |
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| 01:00.53 | Pkekyo | so we'll be seeing it put to life soon then? |
| 01:01.08 | Arrowmaster | haha looks like i got that commit in just in time for it to be reziped |
| 01:01.53 | ckknight | Pkekyo: theoretically |
| 01:01.56 | ckknight | Pkekyo: probably a month |
| 01:02.19 | Pkekyo | wtb ckknight's efficiency for when I'm at school plx |
| 01:02.33 | ckknight | I'm just a good coder |
| 01:02.47 | Garoun|Loupana | thanks arrow, checking it now :P |
| 01:03.04 | Pkekyo | ckknight: and you work efficiently...I envy you that |
| 01:03.05 | Garoun|Loupana | g/f is ready to kill me though since she's sitting in netherstorm waiting for me to help with a quest hehe |
| 01:03.20 | Pkekyo | I have the attention span of an average twoyearold |
| 01:03.24 | Garoun|Loupana | That got it |
| 01:03.51 | Garoun|Loupana | thank you kindly |
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| 01:05.05 | Pkekyo | anyone have a tip for making my aguf frames "darker"? |
| 01:05.33 | Xinhuan | is there a way i can see what symbol "\195\188" is without logging into WoW? |
| 01:06.44 | ckknight | get a lua interpreter |
| 01:06.59 | ckknight | it's ΓΌ, though |
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| 01:23.58 | ccKep | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=879059082&sid=1 |
| 01:24.01 | ccKep | loving those threads :o |
| 01:24.13 | ccKep | can't respond though, damn euro account ^.^ |
| 01:24.37 | ccKep | love the gnome saying "Make sure all your dps is focusing on kael when the shield is up." |
| 01:25.09 | CIA-14 | 03ktrigger * r46058 10Numen/Numen.lua: |
| 01:25.09 | CIA-14 | Numen: |
| 01:25.09 | CIA-14 | - Initial totem order code. |
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| 01:29.13 | CIA-14 | 03nemes * r46059 10NBuffBars/ (NBuffBars.lua RaidMember.lua): NBuffBars: minor fixes following first test run |
| 01:29.41 | Gagorian | ccKep: Why shouldn't the dps focus on kael when it's up? |
| 01:29.48 | Pkekyo | wowace.com/files doesn't work anymore? |
| 01:30.22 | ccKep | Gagorian: shield expires at 3rd pyro anyway |
| 01:30.30 | ccKep | even without damage |
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| 01:31.11 | Gagorian | Why take the 2nd pyro? |
| 01:31.20 | ccKep | take the 1st |
| 01:31.49 | ccKep | we let our tank take the first, shield 2nd, kick 3rd while dps takes care of phoenix eggs :o |
| 01:31.50 | rubik | hmm.. how much aggro is FF (faerie fire)? must be a ton? |
| 01:32.04 | rubik | cause whenever i use it right after a warrior tank pulls, mob comes to me |
| 01:32.23 | rubik | (which is fine cause i'm bear tanking but still) |
| 01:32.24 | Gagorian | We just shield the first.. Interrupt 2nd and 3rd |
| 01:32.35 | ccKep | you cant interrupt 3rd if you interrupt 2nd :o |
| 01:32.55 | ccKep | he doesn't start casting a third ^.^ |
| 01:32.58 | Gagorian | Well anyway, the tank just takes one pyro |
| 01:33.06 | Gagorian | with shield buff on |
| 01:33.36 | ccKep | normally, our shield expires shortly before the 2nd pyro finishes casting.. don't know why though, since we don't deal damage to kael |
| 01:33.51 | ccKep | so I earth shock the 2nd.. but to our plan, it's supposed to go into the shield |
| 01:34.28 | ccKep | so we eat one, earth shock 2nd.. if earth shock doesn't work it goes into the shield and someone just kicks the 3rd |
| 01:35.17 | Gagorian | Well I can't see how an earth shock would work since it's a 10s shield and pyroblast cast is 4s which starts right after shield is up |
| 01:35.38 | ccKep | yeah, I actually don't know too |
| 01:35.40 | Gagorian | Unless the shield is DPSd down |
| 01:35.52 | ccKep | I just see that the shield goes off while dps does egg stuff |
| 01:35.54 | Gagorian | Which isn't that hard at all |
| 01:37.15 | ccKep | I know its not hard, we did it in our first tries |
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| 01:38.02 | Pkekyo | need some help with aguf here...for some reason, I can't change the texture/skin of the raid frames, and the names are showing up all to the right (clashed up into the health numbers)... how can I prevent this? |
| 01:38.08 | ccKep | but we have dumb dpsers |
| 01:38.16 | ccKep | so egg <-> shield situations cause them to freak out |
| 01:38.40 | CIA-14 | 03mist 07Mist * r46060 10Hourglass/Hourglass/core.lua: |
| 01:38.40 | CIA-14 | Hourglass (branch): |
| 01:38.40 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.43 | kebinusan | can you swap players in groups via macro or script command? |
| 01:38.44 | ccKep | so we just told them to focus on phoenix / egg killing and let the tank+healers take care of pyro/shield stuff |
| 01:38.53 | ccKep | kebinusan: yeah, but not infight |
| 01:38.58 | kebinusan | :-( |
| 01:39.03 | Gagorian | Yeah, I guess that works too. Haven't done kael for a few months anyway :p |
| 01:39.16 | ccKep | I wrote myself a heroism-grp macro, it worked fine... but stopped working when entering combat |
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| 01:40.10 | ccKep | I'll grab 4 warlocks, switch them to group 6 and throw heroism when phase 2 aoe begins ^.^ |
| 01:40.24 | ccKep | heroism SoC dps is sick |
| 01:40.30 | Gagorian | indeed |
| 01:40.50 | Gagorian | also burns the mana bar in like 20s :p |
| 01:42.09 | Pkekyo | nobody knows what I can do about aguf? |
| 01:44.47 | cladhaire | wow.. i dont' think i've ever seen anything this nasty on the ace forums |
| 01:44.50 | cladhaire | and I've been there forever :P |
| 01:44.52 | cladhaire | Had I wanted a smart ass answer from an arrogant jumped up little fuck then you're obviously the person I was looking for, and one that makes himself look like a complete tosser, go fuck yourself. |
| 01:45.30 | Ominous | nice |
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| 01:45.49 | Arrowmaster | what post? |
| 01:45.54 | Arrowmaster | i want to read |
| 01:46.03 | cladhaire | this one, i already edited that part out |
| 01:46.03 | cladhaire | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=7852.msg128394#msg128394 |
| 01:48.14 | Wobwork | I think we caught him at 'that time of month' perhaps |
| 01:48.23 | cladhaire | it appears so :P |
| 01:48.24 | Wobwork | ie, the 9th =P |
| 01:48.39 | Wobwork | or perhaps on a weekday ending in 'y' |
| 01:48.43 | cladhaire | :P |
| 01:50.15 | Pkekyo | need some help with aguf here...for some reason, I can't change the texture/skin of the raid frames, and the names are showing up all to the right (clashed up into the health numbers)... how can I prevent this? |
| 01:50.27 | ckknight | aw, I wanna know what he said |
| 01:50.50 | cladhaire | i posted it ckknight |
| 01:50.57 | cladhaire | Had I wanted a smart ass answer from an arrogant jumped up little fuck then you're obviously the person I was looking for, and one that makes himself look like a complete tosser, go fuck yourself. |
| 01:51.17 | ckknight | hrm |
| 01:51.21 | ckknight | yea, that's inappropriate |
| 01:51.32 | cladhaire | I think we should let Kyahx go back and make his post more offensive |
| 01:51.35 | cladhaire | and let the argument continue |
| 01:51.40 | Wobwork | hehe |
| 01:53.47 | KarlThePagan | arrrr Proximo needs just a little work |
| 01:54.19 | KarlThePagan | discovering opponants from party1target party2target etc would be nice |
| 01:54.25 | Pkekyo | ~cladhaire |
| 01:54.25 | purl | somebody said cladhaire was the current author of WatchDog, PerfectRaid, and a number of smaller addons. He is also a core developer of the Ace project. People in #wowace also know him as 'Mr. Lightningfingers.' To find cladhaire, one should look on wowinterface, as he no longer frequents the wowace channel or forum. |
| 01:54.29 | Neebler | the healthbars go fubar when you die |
| 01:54.41 | KarlThePagan | ALF has the same problem |
| 01:54.43 | KarlThePagan | not an issue imo |
| 01:54.49 | cladhaire | ~emulate cladhaire |
| 01:54.50 | purl | ACTION shakes, berries fall to the ground. |
| 01:55.22 | cladhaire | imho |
| 01:55.32 | ckknight | hrm, what? |
| 01:55.50 | ckknight | oh |
| 01:55.50 | ckknight | yea |
| 01:55.51 | ckknight | lol |
| 01:56.02 | ckknight | cause you always do the /me shakes thing |
| 01:56.05 | ckknight | like you're a tree |
| 01:56.07 | cladhaire | makes me giggle when i type *shake* |
| 01:56.08 | cladhaire | :P |
| 01:58.49 | Pkekyo | ~aguf |
| 01:59.02 | Pkekyo | ~ag_uf |
| 01:59.27 | Pkekyo | does the author of aguf hang around here? |
| 02:00.10 | dylanm | Andreas? Dunno. |
| 02:00.38 | Pkekyo | was hoping to get some help with aguf, but guess I might as well try finding some other addon to do this |
| 02:00.41 | Megalon | Pkekyo: his nick is ag` most of the time when he's in here |
| 02:01.56 | ckknight | ~seen ag` |
| 02:01.59 | purl | ag` <i=Andreas@0x535cbb03.bynxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 5d 22h 28m 18s ago, saying: 'man, 2v2 is cheesy'. |
| 02:02.09 | Chompers | Pitbull can alter the colours of bars Pkekyo |
| 02:02.14 | Chompers | if that's still your issue |
| 02:02.33 | Chompers | i'm not sure with aguf, i haven't use it for awhile |
| 02:02.51 | Pkekyo | the biggest issue atm, is the name of people being crammed up on the right of the health bar, ontop of the goddamn health values |
| 02:03.12 | Pkekyo | also: I'd rather alter alpha settings than colours themselves... |
| 02:03.14 | dylanm | Oh wow when did WAU2 start doing more than quitting immediately on Macs? |
| 02:03.23 | dylanm | Oh. |
| 02:03.28 | Chompers | give Pitbull a try, it'll let you move text about |
| 02:03.28 | dylanm | It just takes longer to do it now. |
| 02:04.06 | Pkekyo | Chompers: thing is, this haven't occured before, and I'm sure it must be possible to rectify the situation somehow |
| 02:05.03 | Chompers | what frame options are listed? |
| 02:05.16 | Chompers | is there anything there that alters text locations |
| 02:05.46 | dylanm | Chompers: Each text element can be moved to a bunch of locations. |
| 02:06.03 | dylanm | Oh for ag |
| 02:06.10 | Chompers | yeah :P |
| 02:06.14 | dylanm | I know nothing of that. Forget what I said -.- |
| 02:06.34 | Pkekyo | Chompers: I don't think it's that either, as it only happens to the one who's currently leader of the group (happens to one person in all groups in raids) |
| 02:06.54 | Chompers | try PItbull, you'll like it :) |
| 02:07.07 | EvilGrin | I found a bug with Fubar_RecZone. Who do I need to tell/Where should I post it? |
| 02:07.30 | Pkekyo | I like aguf :< /scream |
| 02:07.36 | Arrowmaster | check the toc and find out who the author is |
| 02:07.40 | dylanm | Psychic Screaaam |
| 02:07.50 | ulic | EvilGrin: typically there is an about in the config menu that would show the author name also. |
| 02:07.53 | Arrowmaster | then cry as you realize you cant find them and that its abandoned |
| 02:08.06 | EvilGrin | wmrojer |
| 02:08.06 | EvilGrin | ? |
| 02:08.49 | Pkekyo | ulic: I know the name of the author is andreasg |
| 02:09.07 | ccKep | man... 4am here, and some girl joins the teamspeak server telling some analsex-accident-story wtf? |
| 02:09.20 | Chompers | soundboard |
| 02:09.25 | Pkekyo | also gives credits to Rabbit, ckknight, Miles and Roartindon |
| 02:09.29 | EvilGrin | ccKep, nice. Normally you have to pay for that. |
| 02:10.15 | Pkekyo | only person out of those I've seen for ages is ckknight |
| 02:10.28 | Chompers | who? |
| 02:10.41 | Wobwork | ccKep: Whoops wrong hole? |
| 02:10.48 | EvilGrin | oof |
| 02:10.54 | Wobwork | rabbit is vhaarr |
| 02:10.56 | ccKep | yay, glitched out, lawl |
| 02:10.58 | Roartindon | Maybe ckknight just talks more than the rest of us :) |
| 02:11.02 | ulic | I'm sure there is a FuBar thread you might be able to post to, and maybe someone will fix it. Is there a pastey of the error? |
| 02:11.06 | Wobwork | and hey, there's Roart! |
| 02:11.10 | Pkekyo | Roartindon: that could be it indeed |
| 02:11.11 | Wobwork | Hi Roart! |
| 02:11.14 | EvilGrin | Roartindon, cknight is a bot :P |
| 02:11.17 | Roartindon | Hey Wobwork :) |
| 02:11.27 | Pkekyo | you don't happen to have any idea of what could be causing this bug with aguf? |
| 02:11.28 | EvilGrin | ulic, there's no error. |
| 02:11.32 | Chompers | purl v2 |
| 02:11.32 | purl | somebody said v2 was the VooDoo 2 graphics card |
| 02:11.33 | ulic | oh |
| 02:11.43 | ulic | I had one of those |
| 02:11.52 | EvilGrin | ulic, it's just reczone doesn't list Hinterlands as a border zone when you are in Hilsbrad. |
| 02:11.57 | Chompers | i was too poor :< |
| 02:12.08 | EvilGrin | ulic, last time I checked, it was.... |
| 02:12.09 | ckknight | I know all! |
| 02:12.26 | Wobwork | You see all? |
| 02:12.38 | EvilGrin | Wobwork, different Old God... :) |
| 02:12.40 | Wobwork | and if we cross your palm with silver, will you tell us our fortune? |
| 02:12.46 | Roartindon | Pkekyo: What bug? |
| 02:12.51 | Roartindon | Pkekyo: Got a screenshot? |
| 02:12.59 | Wobwork | FTHAG CTHAN! |
| 02:13.29 | Pkekyo | the biggest issue atm, is the name of people being crammed up on the right of the health bar, ontop of the goddamn health values |
| 02:13.31 | Pkekyo | that bug |
| 02:13.42 | EvilGrin | ulic, I'm not 100% how RecZone works though. I'm not 100% if it's it's fault or if it is depending on some library to figure out the border zones... |
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| 02:14.34 | Pkekyo | I could get a screenie if you need one? |
| 02:14.48 | dylanm | I'd figure it would use TouristLib? |
| 02:15.12 | CC--home | does quartz show slice&dice bar? |
| 02:15.12 | EvilGrin | dylanm, that'd be the sensible thing to do. But does TouristLib know about borders? |
| 02:15.12 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46061 10Recount/ (5 files): Recount - New method in for handling (props to Roartindon for the basis of the idea though several changes were made) |
| 02:15.28 | xlvii | http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3111/charisdesignwf9.jpg comments? |
| 02:15.36 | Arrowmaster | CC--home: no |
| 02:15.40 | Wobwork | You will not be transforming or converting one class into a Death Knight, you will instead be able to unlock the class for play. The current thinking behind this design decision is that it is important for players to feel like that they don't have to give up a long term character for the chance to play the new heroic class. |
| 02:15.40 | Wobwork | Many people had the perception that what you would be doing was tochoose a class to specialize into the hero class that would then be anextension of your current class, but that's not how we're doing it. Wefelt that if we did that for all of the classes, we would be adding toomany classes into the game at once and as a result making continuingefforts toward class balance very difficult. |
| 02:15.42 | Cryect | interesting |
| 02:15.47 | Wobwork | wth does that mean? |
| 02:15.50 | Pkekyo | xlvii: that's VERY disturbing |
| 02:16.04 | dylanm | EvilGrin: I believe it knows which zones border each other, yes. |
| 02:16.11 | xlvii | pkekyo, does it grab your attention though? |
| 02:16.17 | Cryect | whats disturbing about the pic |
| 02:16.20 | Cryect | I think its interesting |
| 02:16.25 | cladhaire | Wobwork: What part don't you understand? |
| 02:16.29 | Pkekyo | hell yeah, scares the living shit outta me |
| 02:16.35 | EvilGrin | dylanm, ok then. Well if that's true, it's TouristLibs fault. |
| 02:16.40 | Wobwork | What does 'unlocking' involve? |
| 02:16.45 | Cryect | well I would say it doesn't grab my attention to the text |
| 02:16.49 | Cryect | I feel my eyes drawn from the text |
| 02:16.49 | Wobwork | does it -replace- your class? |
| 02:16.52 | dylanm | EvilGrin: What's the bug again? |
| 02:16.52 | Arrowmaster | EvilGrin: i dont think reczones uses tourist |
| 02:16.55 | dylanm | Wobwork: No. |
| 02:17.05 | Roartindon | Pkekyo: There's a name width option somewhre to stop that I believe. Depends on which layout you're using perhaps. |
| 02:17.05 | Cryect | from that text its pretty clear no |
| 02:17.07 | cladhaire | you do a quest at 80 |
| 02:17.11 | cladhaire | it unlocks your ACCOUNT for making the class |
| 02:17.12 | Wobwork | So you're a warlock that just happens to have a job description of a death knight? |
| 02:17.14 | cladhaire | you create a new death knight |
| 02:17.21 | Wobwork | oh, at level 1? |
| 02:17.24 | cladhaire | it enters the world at level 55, or 60, or 65 |
| 02:17.25 | Pkekyo | Roartindon: using the ABF layout |
| 02:17.26 | Wobwork | ah |
| 02:17.34 | EvilGrin | Arrowmaster, dylanm: If you standing in Hilsbrad with Fubar_RecZone. Hinterlands is not listed as a border zone. |
| 02:17.36 | cladhaire | "epic" not "superior" is the mantra |
| 02:17.40 | Wobwork | hm interesting |
| 02:17.47 | dylanm | EvilGrin: Yeah it doesn't use Tourist, it would seem. |
| 02:17.51 | Wobwork | Will we be getting more character slots? =) |
| 02:17.54 | cladhaire | no |
| 02:17.57 | Arrowmaster | EvilGrin: just use locationfu |
| 02:17.57 | Wobwork | feh |
| 02:18.00 | cladhaire | no plans at this time |
| 02:18.02 | Wobwork | that's no fun |
| 02:18.07 | cladhaire | but guild banks should help you remove alts, imo |
| 02:18.07 | Megalon | you get one slot for the deathknight |
| 02:18.11 | Wobwork | I -like- all my current chars |
| 02:18.29 | Wobwork | cladhaire: not if you have your own bank alts |
| 02:18.29 | EvilGrin | dylanm, yes, sorry. You are correct. |
| 02:18.29 | dylanm | EvilGrin: Yeah LocationFu does the same stuff and I'm preeetty sure it uses Tourist. |
| 02:18.34 | cladhaire | :P |
| 02:18.45 | Arrowmaster | yeah locationfu does use tourist |
| 02:18.49 | EvilGrin | dylanm, I'll give it a go. |
| 02:19.31 | Arrowmaster | i thought reczones was just one of those poor bandwagon conversions since locationfu has always had zone levels afaik |
| 02:19.32 | Pkekyo | Roartindon: I can find Frame Width, but no name width option |
| 02:20.06 | dylanm | EvilGrin: So here's the strange thing -- oh wait. |
| 02:20.16 | EvilGrin | mfgh? |
| 02:20.21 | KarlThePagan | Megalon, blue posts say you don't get a new slot for your DK |
| 02:20.25 | KarlThePagan | delete alts |
| 02:20.51 | dylanm | EvilGrin: RecZone.vars.zones[zn(Z["Hillsbrad Foothills"])].zones={zn(Z["Silverpine Forest"]),zn(Z["Alterac Mountains"]),zn(Z["Arathi Highlands"])} |
| 02:21.03 | EvilGrin | ah ha |
| 02:21.09 | EvilGrin | well done |
| 02:21.10 | Arrowmaster | but theres 9 character slots and 9 current classes, they should add a 10th |
| 02:22.23 | cladhaire | they aren't going to |
| 02:22.32 | ckknight | I thought there were 10 char slots |
| 02:22.43 | NightHawkTheSane | there are 10 slots. |
| 02:23.03 | EvilGrin | remeber that's only 10 char/server limit |
| 02:23.05 | Wobwork | hm |
| 02:23.12 | EvilGrin | there's a seperate global char limit |
| 02:23.16 | NightHawkTheSane | true. |
| 02:23.23 | EvilGrin | hf |
| 02:24.19 | Wobwork | I have .. a pally bank alt, priest, hunter, druid, rogue, mage, horde druid, horde shammy, alliance shammy, warrior... |
| 02:24.31 | Wobwork | I guess I can dump the warrior =\ |
| 02:25.10 | Megalon | :< |
| 02:26.53 | loonacy | Or stop playing Alliance. |
| 02:27.15 | EvilGrin | Alliance scum :) |
| 02:28.26 | Pkekyo | rofl, indeed |
| 02:28.34 | Wobwork | I'd have to wipe more characters if I went more horde |
| 02:28.37 | sylvanaar | well, i figured out how to get the web server to clear its cached copy of a page finally - i love HTTP |
| 02:28.49 | Wobwork | My newbie horde druid is called Choochoobear |
| 02:29.03 | Wobwork | but there's noone to talk to hordeside =P |
| 02:29.23 | sylvanaar | how shocking |
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| 02:32.39 | Xinhuan | [8/9 10:24:26] <Arrowmaster> but theres 9 character slots and 9 current classes, they should add a 10th |
| 02:32.44 | Xinhuan | the 10th is going to be Death Knight ;p |
| 02:32.44 | CC--home | does quartz show slice&dice bar? |
| 02:32.58 | Arrowmaster | CC--home: i told you earlyer no |
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| 02:41.17 | Pkekyo | ~quartz |
| 02:41.17 | purl | hmm... quartz is a new KWin client written by gallium, or a lot of things |
| 02:41.26 | Pkekyo | KWin? |
| 02:41.42 | Wobwork | not the same quartz |
| 02:42.05 | Pkekyo | and KWin is? |
| 02:42.46 | Wobwork | ~kwin |
| 02:42.46 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, kwin is the KDE2 window manager. It's mostly the work of Matthias Ettrich, theming by Mosfet (Daniel M. Duley) and Rik Hemsley (who wrote RISCOS, aka, RIKSOS) |
| 02:42.55 | Pkekyo | jesus titty fucking christ, grinding as prot is a nightmare |
| 02:44.08 | Pkekyo | didn't blizz say they was gonna fix that at blizzcon? |
| 02:44.49 | Arrowmaster | prot dps fix, add a fucking sheild with no armor and instead spend the item budget on shild block |
| 02:45.16 | Arrowmaster | they should do that |
| 02:45.26 | Pkekyo | yeah, it shouldn't be so hard |
| 02:45.29 | Megalon | that would be awesome :c |
| 02:45.35 | NightHawkTheSane | wtb the version of devastate that attacks with both weapons. >.> |
| 02:45.50 | Megalon | or that >:P |
| 02:45.57 | Pkekyo | would scare the shit outta clothies in pvp though ^^ |
| 02:46.12 | Pkekyo | get shield slam critted for 2.5-3k? lovely |
| 02:46.36 | Xinhuan | no. just no. |
| 02:47.02 | Pkekyo | why not? |
| 02:47.50 | Pkekyo | would be awesome |
| 02:47.58 | Megalon | or they should just change that i sane |
| 02:48.00 | Xinhuan | it'll generate 1000 threads of whines ;p |
| 02:48.03 | Megalon | insane |
| 02:48.07 | Megalon | 20str ~ 1 block value |
| 02:48.10 | Megalon | :< |
| 02:48.37 | Pkekyo | Xinhuan: we currently have 1k daily threads of whines from rogues getting hit by overpower...1k more wouldn't hurt us a bit :> |
| 02:48.38 | Arrowmaster | might not be able to give a sheild like that too much block value though due to stuff like sheildwall and spell reflect still being usable, even if it has no armor |
| 02:48.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: as if everything so much as blizzard breathing oddly doesn't generate a thousand page of whines |
| 02:48.51 | Xinhuan | :( |
| 02:49.08 | Xinhuan | 1000 is better than 2000! |
| 02:49.18 | Arrowmaster | but still a sheild designed for offensive use with sheildblock would be a big help for prot dps |
| 02:49.28 | Arrowmaster | er slam |
| 02:50.25 | Pkekyo | yeah |
| 02:50.48 | Pkekyo | I'd even happily throw my goddamn shield in the face of my enemies if it'd hurt them a bit |
| 02:50.51 | Wobwork | ie, one that actively used the spike? |
| 02:51.10 | Wobwork | Pkekyo: from all accounts, it just stuns them a abit =P |
| 02:51.11 | Pkekyo | spike? |
| 02:51.33 | Wobwork | well shield spike does indirect damage, doesn't it? |
| 02:51.47 | Arrowmaster | when you block i think |
| 02:52.01 | Pkekyo | ah, aye |
| 02:52.13 | Pkekyo | I'd rather have my trusty +18 stam though |
| 02:52.31 | Wobwork | that's what gems are for =) |
| 02:52.33 | Megalon | +18 block value on nightbane shield :o |
| 02:52.52 | Wobwork | just +stam gem on everything =P |
| 02:53.19 | Wobwork | You'd be surprised at how many people think they -have- to follow the slot colours =\ |
| 02:53.33 | Pkekyo | I pop solid star of elune in every goddamn slot I have |
| 02:53.34 | Wobwork | for a measley slot bonus |
| 02:53.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobwork: nah,i wouldn't be surprised, because people are idiots. |
| 02:53.57 | Wobwork | Although I admit I thought gemslots were like the Diablo ones when they first came out |
| 02:54.05 | Wobwork | and once slotted, you couldn't do anything else =) |
| 02:54.51 | Wobwork | build a bot |
| 02:54.54 | Wobwork | to play wow for you |
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| 02:55.05 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 02:55.19 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, i don't have mindstorms :P |
| 02:57.01 | Pkekyo | rofl |
| 02:58.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i wonder if building an actual -robot- to play wow would violate the tos. |
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| 03:01.40 | CC--home | does quartz show slice&dice bar? |
| 03:02.00 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: depends. Is the robot sentient? |
| 03:02.45 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. probably not. Last thing you'd want in your robot is having it argue with you about rights and shit. :P |
| 03:02.54 | Pkekyo | xD |
| 03:03.27 | Wobwork | CC--home: are you a bot? |
| 03:03.33 | Wobwork | Cause you've asked that question a number of times |
| 03:03.38 | Wobwork | and have been answered a number of times |
| 03:03.41 | NightHawkTheSane | CC--home: or, alternately, are you just a raving idiot? |
| 03:04.08 | loonacy | "Okay, it's my turn to play now." "ROBOTS TURN NOT DONE YET. GO AWAY." |
| 03:04.23 | Pkekyo | lmao |
| 03:04.43 | NightHawkTheSane | loonacy: haha. yeah, that would suck. |
| 03:05.11 | loonacy | You'd have to take your robot to a WoW addicts therapy. |
| 03:05.16 | Pkekyo | I've gotta learn to recharge my mouse when sleeping >.< |
| 03:05.29 | loonacy | "I am not addicted. I just have an infinite WoW loop." |
| 03:05.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: l2wiredmouse.;) |
| 03:05.57 | Pkekyo | I hate wires |
| 03:06.14 | Pkekyo | fuckloads of them on my desk allready, too many |
| 03:06.18 | loonacy | I used to hate wireless mice until I got my MX Revolution. |
| 03:07.20 | Pkekyo | <-- MX1000...I love it |
| 03:07.38 | RogueShadow | my MX700 is dying on me |
| 03:07.52 | RogueShadow | I've had it a few years now |
| 03:08.01 | RogueShadow | Used to be awesome, until it started to die. |
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| 03:08.37 | RogueShadow | Thank goodness, my usual layout doesn't require me to use my mouse all the time in fights. |
| 03:08.42 | RogueShadow | It just helps a lot |
| 03:09.26 | Pkekyo | nothing but changing stances requires my mouse :p |
| 03:09.41 | NightHawkTheSane | you change stances with your mouse? >< |
| 03:09.50 | Pkekyo | aye |
| 03:09.53 | sb | mousewheel!? |
| 03:10.03 | Pkekyo | mouse buttons 3,4,5 |
| 03:10.07 | NightHawkTheSane | i bound those to f1/2/3 |
| 03:11.07 | Pkekyo | I think it's easier to have it on the mouse buttons, as I use the mouse to move anyways |
| 03:12.48 | Pkekyo | ouh...pizzatime! |
| 03:12.56 | ulic | mmm, pizza |
| 03:14.15 | pingdashf | pizza sounds good |
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| 03:22.37 | SyntheRift[W] | question for the coding guru's out there if any are around =) |
| 03:26.14 | SyntheRift[W] | aww ok guess not |
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| 03:33.30 | aunes | hey guys. I'm having some trouble. Quixote is giving me an error but I'm not sure why. How can I get this addon / library? |
| 03:39.05 | Killmore7 | for the last 2 days, 30% of the raid is getting 5-10 sec spike lag.. do you get the same shit ? :( |
| 03:47.31 | xb95 | haven't heard anybody in our raids complaining about that |
| 03:47.50 | SyntheRift[W] | i've had that issue for about 2 months killmore7 |
| 03:48.56 | CIA-14 | 03nemes * r46062 10NBuffBars/ (Constants.lua NBuffBars.lua RaidMember.lua locales/enUS.lua): NBuffBars: disable options when addon disabled, add close button, only allow casting if the correct race/class, set blessing duration based on game version, add prefixes to bar text, other bugfixes |
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| 03:57.45 | Pkekyo | g'morning |
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| 03:59.32 | Pkekyo | Killmore7: several of my turkish guildies has had that problem for weeks...they're sacredly convinced that someone has hung their laundry over some network cables on the balkans to cause the problem :p |
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| 04:03.32 | Xinhuan | zz CraftList2 generates heaps of garbage |
| 04:04.22 | Arrowmaster | it does? |
| 04:04.28 | Xinhuan | yeah |
| 04:04.41 | Xinhuan | try opening and closing your profession UIs |
| 04:04.50 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 04:05.05 | Xinhuan | opening them "scans" what you can craft |
| 04:05.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ill open and close YOUR profession UIs |
| 04:05.14 | Xinhuan | and that is generating heaps of garbage |
| 04:05.19 | Saladin | wee, ysondre down :P |
| 04:05.35 | Arrowmaster | the dragon or the realm? |
| 04:05.35 | Pkekyo | gz mr. salad :> |
| 04:05.49 | Saladin | the dragon |
| 04:06.06 | Saladin | 10-manned the biatch |
| 04:06.31 | Arrowmaster | get atleast 10g each? |
| 04:06.58 | Pkekyo | goddamnit, I'm running out of forums to troll at these hours |
| 04:07.10 | Saladin | we got 7g each |
| 04:07.23 | Arrowmaster | hmm i thought they droped more |
| 04:07.47 | Arrowmaster | i swear i remember getting 10g each from our very last kill between 2.0 and tbc release |
| 04:07.48 | Pkekyo | atleast you got ph4t lewtz0r...? |
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| 04:08.04 | Arrowmaster | when we 10maned one of them in the middle of the night |
| 04:09.25 | Pkekyo | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=394180022&sid=1&pageNo=1 try reading this thread without having your eyes bleed... |
| 04:11.11 | Saladin | ph4t l3\/\/7 and ph4t l3\/\/t... |
| 04:11.13 | Saladin | level 60 stuff |
| 04:11.24 | Pkekyo | as long as it's PURPELZ ITAMS |
| 04:11.37 | Pkekyo | anyone know how to make art for use with Xart? |
| 04:11.55 | Pkekyo | also: ding, 999/1000 CE rep :> |
| 04:13.58 | Saladin | 06:02 < Arrowmaster> hmm i thought they droped more<-- yeah, sorry, she dropped 17g |
| 04:14.08 | Saladin | per person in a 10 man raid that is |
| 04:16.31 | Pkekyo | is it possible to remove the minimap button of DBM? |
| 04:21.27 | pakoz | whats ora2 do? |
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| 04:21.41 | Pkekyo | it's a replacement for CTRa |
| 04:21.43 | NightHawkTheSane | eats your babies |
| 04:21.49 | pakoz | i dont know what ctra is |
| 04:22.07 | NightHawkTheSane | then you probably don'tneed ora. unless you have babies that need eaten |
| 04:22.33 | pakoz | perhaps i was interested in getting babies eaten |
| 04:22.46 | pakoz | what else does this CTRa/ORA2 have to offer besides its notorious baby eating? |
| 04:23.29 | Pkekyo | raid unit frames and other handy stuff for raiding, like Tank-targets, Main Assist-target etc |
| 04:23.45 | pakoz | bleh frames ;x |
| 04:23.59 | pakoz | does it do important cooldowns? |
| 04:24.00 | Pkekyo | why the hell doesn't wowace.com/files work anymore? |
| 04:24.07 | Pkekyo | pakoz: can't remember |
| 04:24.22 | Pkekyo | but atleast deadly boss mods and bigwigs should do that |
| 04:24.54 | Pkekyo | yo NightHawkTheSane |
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| 04:25.11 | NightHawkTheSane | what? |
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| 04:25.16 | Pkekyo | how 'bout assisting me in the epic quest for removing the DBM minimap button? |
| 04:25.19 | Knaledge | Ok |
| 04:25.30 | Knaledge | How do I disable the text displayed on DruidManaBar via Pitbull? |
| 04:25.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: deadly boss mods? simple, get rid of dbm. |
| 04:26.02 | Knaledge | whenever I go into bearform with the "Extra module: DruidManaBar" enabled, the text appears on it but it's cut off by my rage bar |
| 04:26.13 | Knaledge | so I don't want the text to be displayed on it but there is no option for it |
| 04:26.33 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: replace it with bigwigs? |
| 04:26.39 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 04:27.06 | Pkekyo | also, how should I make graphics to use with xArt? |
| 04:27.07 | Knaledge | I thought there was a built in option to remove the minimap button |
| 04:27.33 | NightHawkTheSane | hell if i know |
| 04:28.27 | Pkekyo | Knaledge: one would think so, but I've been looking for 15 min and oculdn't find it...bigwigs here I come |
| 04:28.45 | ckknight | Knaledge: it shouldn't be cut off. Perhaps the mana bar percentage needs to be larger? |
| 04:28.56 | Knaledge | I don't know |
| 04:29.02 | Knaledge | This is my first day digging into it hard |
| 04:29.14 | Knaledge | but my setup is basically ALL text disabled on the player frame |
| 04:29.26 | Knaledge | then I go into... whatever options then go to ... |
| 04:29.38 | Knaledge | "Modules: DruidManaBar" |
| 04:29.41 | Knaledge | enable that |
| 04:30.01 | Knaledge | whenever I pop into bear form now, the text on the mana bar.. it's thin and small, is cut off by the power bar (rage in this case) |
| 04:30.20 | Knaledge | As far as I can tell, there is no specific option to turn off text for the "DruidManaBar" when it applies to being shapeshifted |
| 04:30.48 | Knaledge | The mana bar itself, out of bear form, has no text on it (as it has been disabled in all areas of the player frame) |
| 04:31.38 | Knaledge | btw this is a very nice package :) |
| 04:32.01 | Knaledge | I just wish I could keep configuration mode "on" while in combat. would help me configure stuff more but outside of that, it's pretty cool |
| 04:32.53 | ckknight | you can turn it off |
| 04:33.19 | ckknight | you can also change size |
| 04:33.19 | Knaledge | Also - would it be possible to add an option to make it so that if a unit has aggro, the portrait (if enabled) is colored? A transparent alpha layer that would turn whatever color (red) |
| 04:33.19 | Knaledge | I can't find it, please show me where |
| 04:33.19 | Knaledge | it's terribly annoying |
| 04:33.30 | Knaledge | I don't want to turn off the bar itself, I just want to get rid of the text |
| 04:33.49 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: err, I can't find the bigwigs module for outland with wau? |
| 04:34.11 | NightHawkTheSane | its probably included in the bigwigs core |
| 04:34.14 | Arrowmaster | just install BigWigs with WAU |
| 04:34.44 | Pkekyo | bigwigs does not provide bg timers, correct? |
| 04:34.50 | Arrowmaster | correct |
| 04:35.00 | Knaledge | nvm ckknight I found it |
| 04:35.06 | Knaledge | it's a bit buried but I found it. |
| 04:35.14 | ckknight | yay |
| 04:35.26 | Arrowmaster | Pkekyo: i recommend Capping for bg timers |
| 04:35.48 | Knaledge | it's underneath "All Units" though... I can definitely see myself wanting to see that text for all other units, just not myself |
| 04:35.53 | Knaledge | meh, either way |
| 04:39.07 | Knaledge | ckk though |
| 04:39.18 | Knaledge | what do you think about the portrait being colored if aggro'd |
| 04:39.22 | Knaledge | rather than the bar |
| 04:39.33 | ckknight | no idea how to do that :-P |
| 04:39.42 | Knaledge | kind of like a default blizzUI sort of "in combat" hing |
| 04:39.43 | ckknight | cool idea, though |
| 04:39.53 | ckknight | hrm |
| 04:40.00 | Knaledge | oh not the actual you know like.. character |
| 04:40.12 | Knaledge | more like just an overlay over the portrait "square" |
| 04:40.43 | Pkekyo | I've decided to reroll PitBull from aguf.....here comes another 24 hrs of config |
| 04:40.45 | Knaledge | I still want to know I have aggro or "am in combat" aside from the little combat icon. and I do like how the aggro coloring works. I just for whatever reason don;t like it changing the bar color |
| 04:41.20 | Knaledge | hehe pkekyo, I agree. I's nice but it takes a lonnngg time to get it "just right" . I think that comes from all the crazy amounts of things you cn do |
| 04:41.45 | Pkekyo | Knaledge: I've been tweaking aguf for a year now, still not completely satisfied with it... |
| 04:41.47 | Knaledge | I would like, however, to see in the future the ability to "drag and drop" stuff... like mobile configuration using the mouse |
| 04:41.53 | Pkekyo | ckknight: does parrot show messages when entering and leaving combat? |
| 04:41.59 | ckknight | yea |
| 04:42.09 | Pkekyo | then SCT goes out the window as well |
| 04:42.24 | ckknight | I moved it to a new file, so be sure to close WoW completely if you updated recently |
| 04:42.44 | Knaledge | but yeah ck, if you think it might be worth it o take a look at, I personally think it would be cool to be able to "color" the character portrait for all units if aggro or in-combat (both or either or) |
| 04:42.48 | Pkekyo | ckknight: parrot? |
| 04:42.54 | ckknight | yes, Pkekyo |
| 04:43.00 | Pkekyo | haven't tried it before :> |
| 04:43.33 | Knaledge | oh also - do any of you know of a very simple addon that adds a cross section to the interface? |
| 04:43.46 | Pkekyo | cross section? |
| 04:43.51 | Knaledge | a simple 0, 0 X and 0,0 Y |
| 04:43.56 | ckknight | Knaledge: Align |
| 04:43.59 | ckknight | on wowi |
| 04:44.19 | Knaledge | thats just a straight up X and Y axis on the screen? |
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| 04:45.21 | Knaledge | damnit ok if you have like.. chatzill open and close firefox, but not quit it |
| 04:45.27 | Knaledge | how the F do you open a new window for firefox? |
| 04:45.33 | Knaledge | silly Macs.. |
| 04:45.45 | Knaledge | same with MacAceUpdater |
| 04:46.04 | Knaledge | if you hit the red X on it to close it, you can't click on the dock icon anymore to open it again. you have to quit and then re-open |
| 04:46.24 | Knaledge | there's gotta be a way to do it |
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| 04:50.50 | zac | firefox and macaceupdater are horrible examples of mac programs :P |
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| 04:53.04 | Knaledge | I can look at things online and keep my wow addons updated |
| 04:53.11 | Knaledge | I let the mac pro figure out the rest |
| 04:53.23 | Knaledge | Ok here's one |
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| 04:53.46 | Knaledge | So I have eepanels, prat 2.0, bt3, fubar, and pitbull installed |
| 04:53.46 | zac | camino is a superior browser if you want run gecko, and macaceupdater isn't maintained and it is its author's first mac program |
| 04:53.55 | Knaledge | I love all of them thus far but one thing that is bugging me... |
| 04:54.11 | Knaledge | how do I make the tooltips honor the "top" of the eepanel? |
| 04:54.48 | Knaledge | right now, whenever I mouseover anything, the tooltips appear over all of the items in the eepanel (actiobars, unitframes, minimap, etc.) |
| 04:55.10 | Knaledge | Any suggestions on an addon that would allow me to set the "horizon" that the tooltips must appear above? |
| 04:56.43 | Pkekyo | configuring PitBull is a bloody fricking nightmare |
| 04:57.40 | Knaledge | it's not THAT bad.. lol |
| 04:58.01 | Pkekyo | yes it is |
| 04:58.05 | Knaledge | it's a bit rustic in the how you go about manipulating everything but it's plenty accessible |
| 04:58.14 | Pkekyo | it's fucking impossible to get the fricking bars smaller |
| 04:58.18 | Knaledge | just very old-school as far as config is concerned. menus, etc. etc. |
| 04:58.35 | Knaledge | I just used scale and bar height/width adjusters |
| 04:59.17 | Pkekyo | where is scale and bar height/width adjusters? |
| 04:59.32 | Pkekyo | I reduced bar height to 1, but it's still the size of half my fucking screen |
| 05:00.07 | Knaledge | uh then there's something severealy wrong |
| 05:00.15 | Knaledge | or you are grossly over exagerating |
| 05:00.29 | ckknight | you need to make the frame itself smaller |
| 05:00.33 | ckknight | the bar heights are just ratios |
| 05:00.37 | Knaledge | if you go to "Player: Other: Size: Scale" |
| 05:00.53 | Knaledge | thats the scale, then under "Player: Bars: Height" (for height) |
| 05:01.11 | Knaledge | you must be out of combat also for whatever reason |
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| 05:06.44 | Pkekyo | huh, this stuff almost makes sense now... |
| 05:07.34 | Knaledge | how many "Stances" are there for druids? |
| 05:07.57 | Diao | 3 basic |
| 05:07.58 | Knaledge | feral:cat, feral:bear, tree, oomkin, flight, and... normal? |
| 05:08.02 | Diao | oh |
| 05:08.03 | Diao | total |
| 05:08.06 | Knaledge | yeah |
| 05:08.14 | Diao | also travel |
| 05:08.18 | Diao | but yes you've covered them all |
| 05:08.19 | Diao | however |
| 05:08.23 | Knaledge | I'm trying to decide if I should overlap what I am calling my "casting bar" over my stance bar |
| 05:08.23 | Diao | moonkin/tree are mutually exclusive |
| 05:08.29 | Diao | so |
| 05:08.44 | Knaledge | in my case, diao, I plan on being feral most of the time |
| 05:08.48 | Knaledge | so how many stances like.. |
| 05:08.54 | Diao | oh |
| 05:08.56 | Knaledge | feral cat, feral bear, and normal? |
| 05:09.01 | Diao | yeah |
| 05:09.06 | Knaledge | and eventually flight |
| 05:09.07 | Knaledge | ok. |
| 05:09.15 | Knaledge | Dear Bartender 3 author, |
| 05:09.29 | Diao | and travel and aqua |
| 05:09.31 | Diao | technically |
| 05:09.33 | Knaledge | I'd love it if I could control how many buttons appeared on the Stance bar |
| 05:09.35 | Diao | but those don't have their own spells |
| 05:09.35 | Knaledge | Love, |
| 05:09.36 | Knaledge | Me |
| 05:10.25 | Diao | i forgot about seal form lol |
| 05:10.33 | CIA-14 | 03scorpio0920 * r46063 10ArkInventory/Locale/zhTW.lua: |
| 05:10.33 | CIA-14 | ArkInventory: |
| 05:10.33 | CIA-14 | - Update translation for zhTW.lua |
| 05:10.33 | Diao | haven't played druid in a while |
| 05:10.59 | Knaledge | it's pretty cool |
| 05:11.15 | Knaledge | my brother and I are both in owners of level a level 70 rogue each |
| 05:11.25 | Knaledge | now we're rolling druids: me feral, him resto |
| 05:11.35 | Knaledge | my first alt, ever. ever. too |
| 05:11.58 | Knaledge | played a rogue since dec 04 |
| 05:12.53 | Pkekyo | how can I remove the Group 1, 2, 3 4 stuff on the raidframes in PitBull? |
| 05:14.06 | Knaledge | I don't know off hand but just knowing how crazy the options get |
| 05:14.13 | Knaledge | I would be willing to bet it's in there |
| 05:14.14 | Knaledge | somewhere |
| 05:14.28 | Knaledge | I found some stuff underneat the "All Units" section |
| 05:14.50 | Knaledge | check there and of course each menu/sub-menu of the raid ones |
| 05:14.59 | ccKep | doesn't it disappear when you lock the frame? |
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| 05:16.39 | ccKep | group numbers automatically disappear when you leave configuration mode. |
| 05:16.50 | Knaledge | ok all, and diao too |
| 05:16.55 | Knaledge | this is my current config |
| 05:16.57 | Knaledge | http://norganna.org/up/?view=YR63fu/ScreenShot_080907_011345.jpeg |
| 05:17.07 | Knaledge | WIP |
| 05:17.22 | Knaledge | but it's roughly what I had wanted |
| 05:17.49 | Knaledge | ideally, my four party members will appear to the left of my character frame |
| 05:17.56 | Knaledge | (playerframe rather) |
| 05:18.12 | Knaledge | the ywould all be a bit smaller than my own |
| 05:18.28 | Knaledge | all buffs are appearing above my unitframes |
| 05:18.31 | jme | 73 fps, heh |
| 05:18.35 | jme | what kind of video card is that? |
| 05:18.45 | Knaledge | and I'm looking for something to put in the center |
| 05:18.50 | Knaledge | 7300gt |
| 05:18.53 | Pkekyo | a bit too minimalistic imo |
| 05:18.55 | jme | ah, neat |
| 05:18.56 | Knaledge | but it's running on a Mac Pro |
| 05:19.02 | jme | macbook pro here, x1600xt |
| 05:19.05 | jme | <3 macs |
| 05:19.07 | Pkekyo | the black frame is eePanels? |
| 05:19.11 | Knaledge | so I get a lot of boost from that |
| 05:19.14 | Diao | i don't use pitbull raidfraes >.> |
| 05:19.16 | Diao | frames* |
| 05:19.20 | Knaledge | I am fine with minimalistic |
| 05:19.28 | Knaledge | I don't plan on using PB raid frames either |
| 05:19.30 | Knaledge | I like oRA2 |
| 05:19.33 | jme | i don't really know why i need raid frames, i'm a hunter.. i just pew pew |
| 05:19.48 | ccKep | http://www.concilium-wow.de/kep/interface/screenshots/WoWScrnShot_071807_145819.jpg mine, but changed some small things lately :o |
| 05:20.00 | Knaledge | and all I use oRA2 for is just to like... see the MT's and thats it |
| 05:20.01 | Knaledge | really. |
| 05:20.13 | Arrowmaster | ora2 doesnt have raid frames |
| 05:20.29 | Knaledge | it has player and tank frames |
| 05:20.41 | Knaledge | and can display every group in the raid |
| 05:20.41 | Knaledge | thats raid frames to me |
| 05:20.52 | Arrowmaster | it can not display every group in the raid |
| 05:20.59 | jme | all it displays is the main tanks |
| 05:21.02 | jme | that the raid leader assigns |
| 05:21.11 | Arrowmaster | and player targets |
| 05:21.18 | Pkekyo | here's my UI: |
| 05:21.18 | Pkekyo | Solo: http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2003/wowscrnshot080807214205yr1.jpg |
| 05:21.19 | Pkekyo | Party: http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6961/wowscrnshot080807232547iu2.jpg |
| 05:21.19 | Pkekyo | Raid: http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/1534/wowscrnshot080807231942bm6.jpg |
| 05:21.21 | Knaledge | you can set it so that theres 40 player frames |
| 05:21.24 | Knaledge | so yes, it can |
| 05:21.26 | Arrowmaster | no you cant |
| 05:21.30 | Knaledge | ok |
| 05:21.31 | Arrowmaster | only 10 player targets |
| 05:21.34 | Knaledge | ok |
| 05:21.38 | Arrowmaster | and 10 main tank targets |
| 05:21.39 | jme | lol |
| 05:21.43 | Knaledge | I don't do it in SSC every evening |
| 05:21.54 | Arrowmaster | are you sure your not using the blizzard raid frames? |
| 05:21.55 | Knaledge | clearly I have motive to lie about some random addon |
| 05:22.07 | Knaledge | positive |
| 05:22.57 | Fisker- | btw |
| 05:23.14 | Fisker- | Anyone know where to find a good CowTip SV for awesome? |
| 05:23.15 | Arrowmaster | guess what, looking at ora2 code right now, no raid frames |
| 05:23.19 | ccKep | ora2 has no raidframes. |
| 05:23.26 | Fisker- | good thing as well |
| 05:23.30 | ccKep | 10x maintank + 10x assits frames |
| 05:23.34 | Fisker- | Say no to redudant unitframes |
| 05:24.03 | Knaledge | don't know what to tell you |
| 05:24.14 | ccKep | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/ORA2 |
| 05:24.17 | Arrowmaster | your not using ora2 for your raid frames then |
| 05:24.18 | ccKep | read the description? |
| 05:24.25 | ccKep | first sentence at top |
| 05:24.30 | ccKep | and then at the table _again_ |
| 05:24.31 | Knaledge | god you guys get so gay about addons sometimes |
| 05:24.36 | Knaledge | lol I mean come on |
| 05:24.41 | Fisker- | i'm gay for you Knaledge |
| 05:25.11 | jme | ~flee |
| 05:25.11 | purl | ACTION runs away screaming |
| 05:25.11 | Knaledge | whats the big deal if I've been able to display the frames as I wish? |
| 05:25.29 | jme | Knaledge: nobody's attacking you, no need to get defensive |
| 05:25.30 | ccKep | nothing, its fine for you |
| 05:25.31 | Arrowmaster | the big deal is that your claiming to be using oRA2 to do it |
| 05:25.34 | Fisker- | why does EVERYONE do that jme? |
| 05:25.40 | Knaledge | it's the tone |
| 05:25.43 | Pkekyo | comeon guys, stop scaring purl |
| 05:25.43 | ccKep | we only want to let you know that it wasn't ora2 you were using for it ;) |
| 05:25.49 | Fisker- | Actually you could say i'm attacking him |
| 05:25.50 | NightHawkTheSane | if i cared, i would be attacking you... |
| 05:25.54 | jme | Fisker-: true |
| 05:26.33 | Knaledge | it's just like you really expect me to go and read the oRA2 website because it was linked all sassily in here |
| 05:26.45 | NightHawkTheSane | they do. |
| 05:26.45 | jme | Fisker-: this is epic |
| 05:26.49 | NightHawkTheSane | they expect you to not be a raging idiot. |
| 05:27.04 | Knaledge | Again |
| 05:27.08 | Knaledge | getting a bit gay |
| 05:27.33 | NightHawkTheSane | again, with the raging idiocy. |
| 05:27.45 | Knaledge | whoa nighthawk. |
| 05:27.47 | Knaledge | whoa. |
| 05:28.10 | Knaledge | let's internet fight |
| 05:28.14 | NightHawkTheSane | whoa yourself, and stop using gay as a derogative. |
| 05:28.15 | jme | ok |
| 05:28.19 | Arrowmaster | your the one that got defensive saying that you use oRA2 for raid frames in SSC every evening |
| 05:28.25 | Fisker- | rofl |
| 05:28.33 | jme | when the entire channel says that you aren't using what you think you are |
| 05:28.36 | jme | something must be up |
| 05:29.35 | Knaledge | I get assist, then I make max player targets, and MT |
| 05:29.41 | Knaledge | 20 |
| 05:29.43 | Knaledge | plus my 5 |
| 05:29.45 | Fisker- | haha |
| 05:29.48 | ccKep | wtf |
| 05:29.57 | Knaledge | I'm not wrong |
| 05:30.01 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 05:30.04 | Arrowmaster | thats not raid frames |
| 05:30.05 | Knaledge | it's odd |
| 05:30.09 | Knaledge | but it's not incorrect |
| 05:30.12 | Arrowmaster | thats raging idiocy |
| 05:30.12 | Fisker- | Some guy might face lifetime in prison because he got in a fight with a thief and the thief fell down from 12 yards |
| 05:30.12 | Knaledge | it is in a 25 man |
| 05:30.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: <3 |
| 05:30.28 | ccKep | what if one of the maintanks is in your group Knaledge? ;) |
| 05:30.34 | Knaledge | they aren' |
| 05:30.36 | jme | assist frames are not raid frames |
| 05:30.44 | Arrowmaster | or what about those people in other groups |
| 05:31.04 | ccKep | Arrowmaster: well, he CAN display his whole raid... |
| 05:31.13 | Arrowmaster | they cant get all 25 people to show if youve added them to the maintanks list and not your own group |
| 05:31.27 | jme | ccKep: shush you! |
| 05:31.30 | ccKep | but its just crap Oo |
| 05:31.31 | Knaledge | it's done so that people who have alts who go with us on the farm runs through the first half of SSC don't need to install addons, etc. |
| 05:31.47 | Knaledge | they get the benefit of using blizz default UI |
| 05:32.00 | Arrowmaster | if your too lazy to install addons then youve got no right to be raiding even on an alt |
| 05:32.03 | ccKep | one of our "tanks" is using blizz default UI |
| 05:32.09 | Knaledge | and others get the benefit of either using their own raid frames without conflicting with the group, or using oRA2 |
| 05:32.12 | Leachim | Raid frames show you all people in raid. The MT-Frame just the MainTank and assisst is...the ssistframe^^ |
| 05:32.13 | ccKep | I say "tank" (quoted) because he can't play well... |
| 05:32.23 | Arrowmaster | the default blizzard UI has its own true raid frames, when is better than your method |
| 05:32.25 | Pkekyo | enough, give it a rest will you? :> it does_not_matter |
| 05:32.28 | jme | ccKep: he turns with his keyboard? :o |
| 05:32.36 | ccKep | jme: for example |
| 05:32.39 | Knaledge | either way, by definition, a "raid frame" is simply a display of all the units in a raid |
| 05:32.45 | ccKep | - turns with keyboard |
| 05:32.47 | ccKep | - clicks with mouse |
| 05:32.49 | jme | haha |
| 05:32.57 | ccKep | - can't stance dance -> "latency issue" .. yaayay |
| 05:33.18 | ccKep | has like 700 TPS at good times |
| 05:33.22 | Arrowmaster | and 'main tanks' frame thats set for the entire raid group does not count as a 'raid frame' |
| 05:33.40 | Knaledge | so really, it's pretty unfair to call me an idiot because we do things a bit differently when really, there is motive |
| 05:33.58 | Knaledge | maybe not to you arrow, but we don't really care much abotu the first half of SSC |
| 05:34.05 | Knaledge | so no one gets all nuts with addons |
| 05:34.20 | Arrowmaster | i dont see your reasoning for using the main tanks list to display 2 of your raid partys |
| 05:34.35 | Knaledge | why bother with raid frames and this and that when one or two of us can run something a bit archaic and arbitray but still benefit the entire raid? |
| 05:34.41 | Knaledge | I do |
| 05:34.43 | Knaledge | and it works |
| 05:34.46 | Knaledge | you don't |
| 05:34.50 | Knaledge | still works. |
| 05:35.01 | Arrowmaster | and your still a raging idiot to me |
| 05:35.08 | Knaledge | and I still love you |
| 05:35.13 | ccKep | and "mage xyz" has to see those 10 maintanks too Oo.. interface-spam incoming |
| 05:35.20 | jme | i am going to write this off as an epic conversation |
| 05:35.24 | jme | thank you for the amusement |
| 05:35.31 | jme | now back to wow! |
| 05:35.37 | Knaledge | word |
| 05:36.03 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: how 'bout that lego, though? |
| 05:36.16 | Pkekyo | why is the Main Tank and Main Tank Target frames of pitbull's size directly linked to raid group 1 and 4s size? |
| 05:36.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: I finished the three sets i got today. >.> |
| 05:36.19 | Knaledge | so how about it - an addon that allows me to set where the tooltips will appear above |
| 05:36.24 | Leachim | Why ou all use raid-addons? I understand that they are making things easier (was reading a long time, till Naxxramas). But now Blizzard gae us the most we need, mt frames, group frames, raidwarning. It's just an oppionionquestion^^ |
| 05:36.40 | Leachim | *reading = raiding^^ |
| 05:37.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Leachim: because the non-blizzard ones offer more customizability and/or features than blizzard defaults |
| 05:37.05 | Wobwork | because while Blizzard offers raid stuff, it's not as specialised or modifiable as we would like |
| 05:37.15 | Wobwork | Blizzard has to produce tools that -everyone- can use |
| 05:37.22 | Knaledge | we only use them for higher end end game content to check bag contents, mats, reagents, etc. |
| 05:37.24 | Wobwork | so they build it to the broadest specifciations |
| 05:37.41 | Wobwork | as an addon author, we can be more specfic in our usage of the tools |
| 05:37.44 | Knaledge | and then there's stuff like grid plus sraidframes, etc. |
| 05:37.49 | Wobwork | s/author/users/ |
| 05:37.54 | ccKep | you don't see hp deficit in numbers in blizz default raidframes, do you? |
| 05:38.18 | ccKep | only 2 simple bars |
| 05:38.23 | ccKep | doesn't help me much as a healer |
| 05:38.24 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: well done...now pop up some pics of them |
| 05:38.31 | Leachim | cckeep: Don't now. Long time ago |
| 05:38.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: lol |
| 05:38.43 | Wobwork | ccKep: You should know precisely how much each pixel is worth, as a healer! =) |
| 05:38.47 | *** join/#wowace Kody (n=kody@adsl-71-141-107-111.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 05:38.47 | ccKep | Leachim: just tested, its just Name -> health bar -> mana bar |
| 05:39.00 | *** join/#wowace [quoin] (n=quoin@219-90-209-12.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 05:39.03 | ccKep | yeah, because I know exactly how much health every single person has ;) |
| 05:39.09 | Wobwork | Taht's right!@ |
| 05:39.22 | Leachim | Ok, I understand.^^ |
| 05:39.40 | ccKep | and then there are those special things the default blizz stuff doesn't show |
| 05:39.53 | ccKep | like for example a ton of the grid indicators |
| 05:40.05 | ccKep | aggro indicator, hot stack indicator, incoming heal indicator and such |
| 05:40.14 | ccKep | <3 grid |
| 05:40.33 | Leachim | <3 X-Perl Raidframes^^ |
| 05:40.42 | ccKep | playing whack-a-mole with lesser healing wave @ mouse4 and grid |
| 05:40.43 | ccKep | :> |
| 05:40.48 | CIA-14 | 03next96 * r46064 10Assessment/Modules/ (CrowdControl.lua Healing.lua): |
| 05:40.48 | CIA-14 | Assessment : |
| 05:40.48 | CIA-14 | - Update locale koKR |
| 05:40.56 | Leachim | :P |
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| 05:41.14 | Pkekyo | hey ckknight? |
| 05:41.22 | ckknight | yes? |
| 05:41.37 | Pkekyo | that config mode of yours on parrot is scary O.o |
| 05:41.42 | ccKep | aye.. ck there |
| 05:41.47 | ckknight | okay |
| 05:41.51 | ckknight | so? |
| 05:41.53 | ckknight | it's colorful |
| 05:42.01 | ckknight | and recites the military alphabet |
| 05:42.12 | Wobwork | does it whistle dixie? |
| 05:42.15 | Wobwork | Cause it should |
| 05:42.34 | Pkekyo | lmao |
| 05:42.37 | ckknight | not yet |
| 05:42.40 | ccKep | ckknight: PitBull appears to have a memleak somewhere... but doesn't seem to be major, so I didn't care to report until now... just wanted to let u know |
| 05:42.53 | ckknight | hrm |
| 05:42.56 | ckknight | alright then |
| 05:43.20 | Pkekyo | anyways, was going to ask: is it possible to get the messages that comes down in an arc on the sides a little further out from the screen center? |
| 05:43.41 | ckknight | what's the animation style called? |
| 05:43.46 | Pkekyo | nvm, just figured out that fancy getup of yours |
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| 05:45.34 | Pkekyo | 35 FuBar plugins active atm O.o |
| 05:45.42 | Wobwork | Dash FTW |
| 05:45.52 | Wobwork | I have all my configuration fubar addons on Dash |
| 05:45.58 | Pkekyo | dash? |
| 05:46.03 | Wobwork | along with all my reporting addons |
| 05:46.08 | NightHawkTheSane | can you put a fubar panel on dash? |
| 05:46.12 | Wobwork | yep! |
| 05:46.16 | NightHawkTheSane | thats pretty hot |
| 05:46.24 | Pkekyo | ~dash |
| 05:46.25 | purl | dash is a shell to help make the V2 operating system easier to use. URL: http://v2dash.hypermart.net/downloads.html |
| 05:46.33 | Pkekyo | say what? |
| 05:46.37 | NightHawkTheSane | wrong dash |
| 05:46.40 | NightHawkTheSane | search for it on wowi |
| 05:46.41 | Wobwork | not quite thr riht link =P |
| 05:46.53 | Wobwork | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7391-Dash.html |
| 05:47.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: purl is used by the entire freenode network, so not everything in it is wow related ;) |
| 05:47.21 | NightHawkTheSane | purl, you're a slut, you know? |
| 05:47.21 | purl | I know you are but what am I? |
| 05:47.27 | Pkekyo | oh well...worth a shot anyways, no? |
| 05:47.29 | Fisker- | i lol\d |
| 05:47.33 | Fisker- | lol'd* |
| 05:47.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ... i would be a slut if anyone wanted me. :( |
| 05:47.38 | Pkekyo | lmao |
| 05:47.58 | Pkekyo | dash = non-ace? |
| 05:47.58 | Fisker- | OH WHAT |
| 05:48.04 | NightHawkTheSane | anyone but Fisker- that is, because we all know he's a bigger slut than me. |
| 05:48.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: yes |
| 05:48.11 | Fisker- | FUCKING AWESOME Ky|Away |
| 05:48.19 | Pkekyo | a shame |
| 05:48.29 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, if it works, it works, who cares? |
| 05:48.34 | Pkekyo | I care |
| 05:48.39 | NightHawkTheSane | you shouldn't :) |
| 05:48.43 | Fisker- | Wobwork |
| 05:48.44 | durcyn | "but it's not on the updater waaaaaaaah" |
| 05:48.52 | durcyn | god damn, WAU is damage, stop using it |
| 05:48.55 | Fisker- | any idea if there's any performance hits on dash? |
| 05:49.02 | Pkekyo | want to keep my UI 100% aced for a while...see how it works :> |
| 05:49.25 | Wobwork | Fisker-: I can't see why there would be |
| 05:49.25 | durcyn | it works like a UI. ace is a framework, not a religion. |
| 05:49.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: it'll work as well as if you added any number of well made non ace addons |
| 05:49.34 | Wobwork | it's just a frame with an alpha |
| 05:49.40 | Wobwork | and all your addons child'd to it |
| 05:49.41 | ckknight | ace is dead |
| 05:49.44 | ckknight | long live ace |
| 05:49.53 | Bejitt | o_O |
| 05:50.00 | Fisker- | awwright Wobwork |
| 05:50.02 | Leachim | ^^ |
| 05:50.09 | Fisker- | i'm just thinking 3d overlays |
| 05:50.13 | Fisker- | since they take some resources |
| 05:50.17 | Wobwork | yeah, not that complex |
| 05:50.24 | Bejitt | /reservedomain "wowjoker.com" |
| 05:50.32 | Wobwork | It's a very simple concept executed perfectly =) |
| 05:50.43 | CIA-14 | 03adirelle * r46065 10CastYeller/ (. libs/): CastYeller: moved svn:externals property to addon root folder. |
| 05:50.46 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom's a simple concept executed perfectly.... |
| 05:50.52 | Wobwork | btw, there is a svn attached to Dash |
| 05:50.55 | Wobwork | so you can update that way |
| 05:50.56 | Fisker- | OH SNAP NightHawkTheSane |
| 05:51.05 | Fisker- | what is it Wobwork? |
| 05:51.05 | Wobwork | NightHawkTheSane: That's a really nice thing to say! |
| 05:51.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobwork: well, you know, i'm feeling nice tonight. :) |
| 05:51.16 | Wobwork | I'll tell her you said that |
| 05:51.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i played with legos, it always makes me happy |
| 05:51.41 | Fisker- | btw Wobwork |
| 05:51.47 | Fisker- | you should make a fubar plugin for tickets |
| 05:51.48 | Pkekyo | geif legos |
| 05:51.48 | Wobwork | All it is is a screen spanning frame that's like 40% alpha that you attach frames to |
| 05:51.54 | Wobwork | Fisker-: nope |
| 05:51.54 | jme | picked the wrong night to start a belf |
| 05:51.59 | Pkekyo | can't afford that overpriced plastic anymore O.o |
| 05:51.59 | jme | there's like 30 people making alts |
| 05:52.10 | Wobwork | jme: What, any night with a name ending in 'y'? |
| 05:52.17 | CIA-14 | 03adirelle * r46066 10BankList/ (. Libs/): BankList: moved svn:externals property to addon root folder. |
| 05:52.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: i probably shouldn't have bought them, but i'm weak. :P |
| 05:52.23 | jme | Wobwork: nah, most nights aren't that bad |
| 05:52.29 | *** join/#wowace FIsker-errbot (i=ballmer@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 05:52.37 | jme | Wobwork: guess it's the after-raid thing to do |
| 05:52.37 | *** part/#wowace FIsker-errbot (i=ballmer@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 05:52.39 | Knaledge | Anyone know of an addon that makes tooltips appear above a certain designated porton of your screen? |
| 05:52.52 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: it's the same with me and DVDs /glances over to the shelf where they're stacked up |
| 05:53.01 | Fisker- | you should Wobwork |
| 05:53.03 | NightHawkTheSane | see, I just download movies i want. |
| 05:53.03 | Fisker- | it's great fun |
| 05:53.09 | Wobwork | Fisker-: Not a chance |
| 05:53.15 | Knaledge | right now, all my tooltips and bags, etc. appear over everything at the bottom of my screen and I'd like to see them above a specifc level/horizon |
| 05:53.16 | Fisker- | suuuure |
| 05:53.17 | Wobwork | Fisker-: Mostly cause I won't use it |
| 05:53.22 | Fisker- | man |
| 05:53.25 | CIA-14 | 03adirelle * r46067 10SimpleSelfRebuff/ (. libs/): SimpleSelfRebuff: moved svn:externals property to addon root folder. |
| 05:53.26 | Fisker- | why won't anyone use it? :( |
| 05:53.28 | Wobwork | So I have no reason to even exert the effort to try =P |
| 05:53.42 | Fisker- | i can probably put the ticketframe on the dash then |
| 05:53.43 | Fisker- | :P |
| 05:53.51 | Arrowmaster | it tends to be easyer to find and watch a movie ive downloaded than it is to find and watch a dvd i own |
| 05:54.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: heh, files on a computer can be precisely catalogued. ;) |
| 05:54.23 | Leachim | Knaledge: You can only assign the postion of the world tooltip (the player tooltip as example) and parent tooltip (that appears on buttons, windows in general). Gymnast can do it, or CowTip, TinyTip... |
| 05:54.25 | Wobwork | Well, so can dvds... |
| 05:54.33 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, but its a lot more effort |
| 05:54.36 | Wobwork | true |
| 05:54.46 | Arrowmaster | yeah but other people can move the dvds around and put them in different places |
| 05:54.49 | NightHawkTheSane | go go spotlight. |
| 05:54.56 | Wobwork | bastards |
| 05:55.11 | Wobwork | You should go to their computer and move their folders around =P |
| 05:55.13 | Knaledge | Leachim: Which one does it the easiest and is most efficient? |
| 05:55.17 | NightHawkTheSane | cream |
| 05:55.19 | Arrowmaster | and for me the dvds tend to be in different stacks in different places so i have no idea where the new ones are |
| 05:55.23 | Knaledge | Leachim: and is the most... updated. |
| 05:55.24 | Wobwork | You feel cold and sweet? |
| 05:55.24 | jme | NightHawkTheSane: you must be cold |
| 05:55.29 | Fisker- | anyways Wobwork did you know his svn? |
| 05:55.39 | Wobwork | Fisker-: hm, lemme check |
| 05:55.46 | NightHawkTheSane | actually i'm kinda hot. i might |
| 05:55.51 | NightHawkTheSane | open a window. |
| 05:56.04 | NightHawkTheSane | or just eat this espresso chip ice cream >.> |
| 05:56.13 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man, thats a great idea. |
| 05:56.13 | Pkekyo | how does dash work? |
| 05:56.21 | Arrowmaster | its like 'hey i bought some new dvds' and i dont pay attention to where they end up getting put so when i do want to watch it i have to wait a day and ask where they are |
| 05:56.23 | jme | Knaledge: i believe CTmod (www.ctmod.net) actually does just that. it lets you drag the default tooltip anchor around the screen. not sure if it is in ct_core, or what |
| 05:56.29 | Wobwork | Fisker-: http://code.google.com/p/wow-kyahx/ |
| 05:56.29 | CIA-14 | 03adirelle * r46068 10ThreatToKTM/ (. libs/): ThreatToKTM: moved svn:externals property to addon root folder. |
| 05:56.33 | Fisker- | thanks |
| 05:56.36 | Leachim | Knaledge: I'm using Gymnast for the tooltip placement. Have tested many (yeah, it's from cosmos, but has no dependecie to any of their libraries). You must configure it through shlashcommands, but only ones. Or you install ones their Khaosconfigruation^^ |
| 05:56.40 | Fisker- | infact i never had pants on though |
| 05:56.46 | Wobwork | Liar =( |
| 05:56.49 | Knaledge | jme: I don't know if I'd want to use all of CT_core, etc. I just need a very specific addon |
| 05:56.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: we know >< |
| 05:57.11 | jme | Knaledge: ct_core is included in ctmod, you don't have to use all of them |
| 05:57.19 | Leachim | Gymnast just does tooltipplacement with, in my oppinion, good ressourcemanagment, low ressources^^ |
| 05:57.26 | Fisker- | what? IRC supports webcames now? |
| 05:57.29 | Arrowmaster | ct_core still does a lot of undesired stuff |
| 05:57.36 | jme | Arrowmaster: agreed |
| 05:57.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: no, i've just got people spying on you. |
| 05:57.43 | Knaledge | yeah I broke out of CT_Mod a lonnnnggg time ago |
| 05:57.45 | Arrowmaster | like taint |
| 05:57.50 | Knaledge | only thing I still use of theirs is CT_MailMod |
| 05:57.59 | Wobwork | Hi CIDE! |
| 05:58.12 | Arrowmaster | Wobwork: i already checked, hes not here |
| 05:58.16 | Wobwork | hehe |
| 05:58.20 | Knaledge | Is there an Ace based tooltip.. "placer" ? |
| 05:58.34 | Knaledge | that does basically next to nothing other than tooltip placement? |
| 05:58.35 | NightHawkTheSane | try lithetooltipdoctor |
| 05:58.39 | durcyn | cowtip can re-anchor, but if you just want to move it, try lithe |
| 05:58.46 | Leachim | IRC and webcam? Maybe it's your client that can do it? I don't belief that IRC-Servers are intended for streaming^^ |
| 05:59.21 | Knaledge | and this will re-anchor the bags etc.? I don't want them to permanently open in the exact same spot though, thats the thing |
| 05:59.22 | Wobwork | We just hire small children to hide in various places in your house to spy on you |
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| 05:59.36 | durcyn | Knaledge: try it and find out? |
| 05:59.36 | Knaledge | kind of like how fubar has the "Adjust frames" thing |
| 05:59.50 | Leachim | aaahhh, people should gave up the belief that ace is better than everything else^^ |
| 05:59.55 | Wobwork | Yes |
| 06:00.09 | Knaledge | I dont mind non-ace addons |
| 06:00.12 | Wobwork | Except people have taken WAU as the new gospel |
| 06:00.26 | Wobwork | So it's less "Ace is better" and more "Ace is easier to update now" |
| 06:00.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Knaledge: all lithetooltipdoctor does is move your tooltip, nothing else. |
| 06:00.34 | Knaledge | it's just been my experience that they tend to be more readily updated, frequently updated, have a responsive community, and do, in most cases, utilize less resources, etc. |
| 06:00.37 | durcyn | Wobwork: basically, yes. |
| 06:00.53 | durcyn | "i can click once and it's done, then it's back to drooling on myself, yurrr" |
| 06:00.57 | Arrowmaster | theres a ton of abandoned ace mods |
| 06:01.05 | Knaledge | no doubt, arrow |
| 06:01.13 | Wobwork | They've generally been replaced though |
| 06:01.15 | Knaledge | but the ones that aren't are usually the ones worth having |
| 06:01.28 | Wobwork | and people still go fix them if they're being used |
| 06:01.33 | Knaledge | exactly |
| 06:01.34 | Wobwork | even if they didn't write it originally |
| 06:01.47 | Fisker- | hmm Wobwork O_o |
| 06:01.48 | durcyn | i should stop talking about wau now, all it's doing is making me angry |
| 06:02.00 | Arrowmaster | i still use my own 'abandoned' addon, although i didnt really abandon it im just too lazy to finish it and i doubt nobody other than me even uses it |
| 06:02.01 | Wobwork | And it's still posted as the original package instead of "AddonX FANVERSION XVIII-A" |
| 06:02.01 | Knaledge | be happy you're not using MacAceUpdater then... |
| 06:02.23 | Fisker- | oh wtf |
| 06:02.41 | Fisker- | when i alt+tab in tortoise it converted the first character in the folder to a lowercase |
| 06:02.44 | durcyn | Knaledge: no, any updater is evil because the users are foolish enough to become addicted to it, then they start disliking things that aren't available through that updater just by virtue of that |
| 06:02.45 | Fisker- | no wonder it couldn't find it |
| 06:03.13 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: my updater isn't evil. >.> of course, its just a simple set of perl/php scripts i wrote. |
| 06:03.17 | Wobwork | durcyn: it's a dependancy =P |
| 06:03.19 | jme | the name generator should check to see if the name's already been taken before suggesting it :( |
| 06:03.23 | jme | im |
| 06:03.26 | jme | o |
| 06:03.32 | Pkekyo | for some reason, I can't seem to find much to add to Dash after all... |
| 06:03.36 | Arrowmaster | my updater is 'svn up * --ignore-externals' |
| 06:03.38 | durcyn | that kind of laziness just flat out sucks |
| 06:03.38 | Wobwork | That's why I use wowace -and- various svns of the addons I like =() |
| 06:04.01 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: lol, me too |
| 06:04.09 | Arrowmaster | actually i lied |
| 06:04.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i was going to make a script that would update from wowi too |
| 06:04.11 | Wobwork | although mine is followed with 'python wowace.py -s' |
| 06:04.13 | NightHawkTheSane | but i was lazy |
| 06:04.27 | Arrowmaster | its a bat file with 'svn up * --ignore-externals' in the middle |
| 06:05.31 | durcyn | yes, but do you throw a fit if some particularly good addon that works well and doesn't need to be replaced..isn't on the svn? |
| 06:05.38 | durcyn | that's the problem with WAU |
| 06:06.06 | NightHawkTheSane | to be bluntly honest, i don't think wau's the problem, merely the enabler. |
| 06:06.26 | Knaledge | I don't come across much that isn't on MAU/WAU |
| 06:06.36 | Knaledge | I mean... it's pretty accessible |
| 06:06.53 | Knaledge | just MAU already has caused addon authors to re-work some of their addons |
| 06:06.58 | Knaledge | AtlasLoot comes to mind |
| 06:06.58 | Arrowmaster | the problem is people |
| 06:07.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: precisely |
| 06:07.23 | Fisker- | oh i likie a lot Wobwork |
| 06:07.34 | Arrowmaster | the only way to solve this is to rid the world of people |
| 06:07.39 | Arrowmaster | whos with me |
| 06:07.44 | mortimer | me! |
| 06:07.55 | ckknight | wait, can we start with a specific group of people? |
| 06:08.03 | ckknight | such as a minority that none of us like? |
| 06:08.07 | Knaledge | lithetooltip is fairly old |
| 06:08.13 | Knaledge | any conflicts, issues, etc. ? |
| 06:08.38 | Fisker- | LOL |
| 06:08.44 | Fisker- | i made a ticket to test dash |
| 06:08.52 | Fisker- | and cancelled it less than a minute later |
| 06:09.02 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: the minority i dont like are "people" |
| 06:09.06 | jme | Fisker-: nice story |
| 06:09.09 | ckknight | that's the majority |
| 06:09.15 | mortimer | clowns? |
| 06:09.15 | Fisker- | yeah and the GM contacted me |
| 06:09.18 | NightHawkTheSane | well, its both,really |
| 06:09.22 | ckknight | yes, clowns. |
| 06:09.25 | ckknight | they must be the first to go |
| 06:10.02 | jme | i wonder if i could convince a GM that i had 5k gold |
| 06:10.06 | jme | and misplaced it |
| 06:10.23 | NightHawkTheSane | jme: if you can, i demand screenshots |
| 06:10.26 | ckknight | lol |
| 06:10.37 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: what kinda ticket did you make? |
| 06:10.38 | jme | that would be awesome |
| 06:10.45 | ckknight | don't do 5k |
| 06:10.49 | ckknight | do some arbitrary number |
| 06:10.53 | jme | 189273 |
| 06:10.54 | ckknight | like 4360 |
| 06:11.16 | ckknight | on your way to getting a flying mount |
| 06:11.16 | jme | gotta throw in some copper and silver too |
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| 06:11.30 | ckknight | yea |
| 06:11.37 | ckknight | then say you use an addon to track your money |
| 06:11.50 | Leachim | lol |
| 06:11.50 | jme | that ckknight wrote, so i know it must work |
| 06:11.51 | Fisker- | http://www.developersdevelopersdevelopers.dk/dash2.jpg |
| 06:11.55 | Fisker- | i liek Wobwork |
| 06:11.57 | Knaledge | ok good... LitheTooltipDoctor placed my tooltips etc. |
| 06:12.01 | Knaledge | now, how do I place my bags? |
| 06:12.11 | Knaledge | as in, not permanently to one spot |
| 06:12.16 | Knaledge | but just to open above a specific area |
| 06:12.33 | Knaledge | http://norganna.org/up/?view=YR63fu/ScreenShot_080907_011345.jpeg |
| 06:12.40 | Knaledge | I need them to open above the top of that panel |
| 06:13.14 | ckknight | um, get rid of em |
| 06:13.21 | ckknight | press b to open bags |
| 06:13.33 | ckknight | same with the micro menu |
| 06:13.56 | jme | heh |
| 06:13.59 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: that looks like the normal possition..... |
| 06:14.00 | Fisker- | when 2 chatframes are docked within eachother are they then the same frame? |
| 06:14.02 | Leachim | I'm using Bagnon ( http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4459-Bagnon.html ). Move your bag to the position and open it^^ And it shows all of your bag content in one frame. No need for the bagbar anymore |
| 06:14.04 | Leachim | ^^ |
| 06:14.30 | Fisker- | Arrowmaster the point is that it's now hidden |
| 06:14.33 | Pkekyo | how can I add Capping to dash? the individual bars just lists as 12343488 and such, and I can't find a parent frame... |
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| 06:15.06 | Knaledge | the problem isn't how to open them, how they look etc. |
| 06:15.16 | Knaledge | the problem is that they open over my eepanel at the bottom |
| 06:15.32 | Knaledge | I just need the base of the bag frame to be above a certain point, that's it |
| 06:15.47 | Knaledge | is there a script I can enter in? |
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| 06:18.32 | N3cr0m4ncer | Hm, I think nobody has written somethin glike this, an anchorplacer for the standard blizz bags |
| 06:19.29 | N3cr0m4ncer | wrong nick...damn disconnect... |
| 06:20.02 | N3cr0m4ncer | aahhh...my nick is already in use...damn you ghost! |
| 06:20.28 | ccKep | /ns ghost ? |
| 06:21.08 | N3cr0m4ncer | hm...welll....ok^^ Now...what was my auth pass? :P |
| 06:21.26 | ccKep | abcdefg |
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| 06:21.36 | N3cr0m4ncer | *g* |
| 06:22.45 | durcyn | don't send colored text please. |
| 06:23.37 | Arrowmaster | colored text? i just see white |
| 06:23.40 | Wobwork | Pkekyo: you'll have to find the code name like Capping.Frame1 or whatever it is in the code |
| 06:23.50 | Wobwork | if it doesn't have a name available from using addmouse |
| 06:23.57 | durcyn | oh? must be must client playing tricks on me with the asterisks. |
| 06:24.05 | durcyn | nevermind, necrowhateverascii |
| 06:24.38 | N3cr0m4ncer | Yeah, I also don't like the name. It's just the placeholder till i get Leachim back -.-' |
| 06:25.16 | Pkekyo | for some reason, Capping won't let me hide the BGMiniMap either >.< |
| 06:25.33 | Wobwork | If it gets reparented every time, you probably won't be able to |
| 06:25.46 | Knaledge | When disabling the "Show 5 man raid as party" under the Party:Other options |
| 06:25.51 | Knaledge | I get the following error |
| 06:26.16 | Knaledge | pitbull.lua:4348 attempt to call global 'ScheduleCreateUnitCluster' (a nil value) |
| 06:26.23 | Wobwork | http://lifehacker.com/software/diy/turn-a-flashlight-into-a-handheld-burning-laser-287252.php |
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| 06:27.21 | Knaledge | ckknight: is it possible to... disconnect... the party members from one another? the party member frame per member? |
| 06:27.26 | ckknight | no |
| 06:27.30 | Knaledge | I wanted to display them horizontally, not veritcaly |
| 06:27.35 | ckknight | you can do that |
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| 06:27.41 | ckknight | you change the grouping direction' |
| 06:27.53 | Knaledge | ah ok let me look for it - I just didnt see it right away |
| 06:28.00 | Knaledge | thats how I got that error.. clicking stuff heh |
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| 06:28.31 | Knaledge | whoa.. |
| 06:28.46 | Knaledge | ok yeah that error I mentoned above definitely messed up a LOT of stuff in pitbull no |
| 06:28.48 | Fisker- | man |
| 06:28.50 | Knaledge | grey squares, etc. |
| 06:28.54 | Fisker- | i forgot that kazzak can hit in the iar |
| 06:29.05 | Knaledge | everything is grey/blue, and dark black |
| 06:29.14 | Pkekyo | 2268 attack power :> |
| 06:30.14 | Pkekyo | ckknight: still here? |
| 06:30.21 | ckknight | no |
| 06:30.32 | ckknight | please stop bothering me, I'm busy |
| 06:30.45 | Pkekyo | was wondering about the outgoing damage on parrot... |
| 06:30.45 | Pkekyo | possible to get it up on top as normal or scrolling upwards instead of downwards? |
| 06:31.23 | ccKep | you can change animation styles per frame? |
| 06:32.33 | ccKep | parrot -> scroll areas -> outgoing -> direction, or what do you mean? |
| 06:33.48 | Pkekyo | wondering if you can get the damage you do to pop over the enemy's head as usual...? |
| 06:35.02 | ccKep | parrot -> general -> game damage ? |
| 06:35.48 | Pkekyo | whoah, I suck at reading tooltips |
| 06:35.56 | Pkekyo | cheers ccKep |
| 06:36.28 | ccKep | took me some time to get my parrot config how I wanted it ;) |
| 06:37.12 | Pkekyo | it seems kinda overwhelming at first |
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| 06:44.16 | Pkekyo | I can't find Prat's fubar icon, anyone remember what it looks like? |
| 06:46.45 | Knaledge | how do I export this pitbull layout now? |
| 06:46.52 | Knaledge | I only see an option for import |
| 06:47.06 | CIA-14 | 03hedin * r46069 10WFtotem/ (. WFtotem.toc core.lua): WFtotem: Shows Windfury Totem time, ticks and time to fade |
| 06:47.28 | Knaledge | rather - there is an option for export but it is greyed out |
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| 06:47.54 | N3cr0m4ncer | Isn't it saved in the saved variables? |
| 06:48.03 | ckknight | because you need to save the layout first |
| 06:48.07 | ckknight | hey Nargiddley, you're here |
| 06:48.37 | ckknight | Nargiddley: do you mind if I ravage Waterfall, slim it down as much as possible, and call it LibAceConfig-3.0? |
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| 06:49.38 | Fisker- | Anyone know what the difference between decursing and dispelling in violation is? |
| 06:49.39 | Knaledge | ah ok and how do I save it then? I am having a hard time finding the option for it |
| 06:50.04 | Nargiddley | ckknight, how slim ? |
| 06:50.46 | ccKep | Fisker-: dunno, just a guess though: dispell -> enemy, decurse -> friendly unit? *shrug* |
| 06:50.50 | ckknight | Nargiddley: basically, it'd only support the AceConfig table format (basically AceOptions v2, much more powerful and more efficient) |
| 06:50.55 | ckknight | Nargiddley: and it wouldn't be OO-based |
| 06:51.11 | ckknight | and it'd act as a Niagara system as well, implicitly |
| 06:51.33 | CIA-14 | 03hedin * r46070 10WFtotem/: WFtotem: Update externals |
| 06:51.45 | ckknight | Nargiddley: this is for Ace3 and all, so you know |
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| 06:52.06 | Fisker- | violation is vharr btw right? |
| 06:52.11 | ckknight | no |
| 06:52.13 | ckknight | it's vhaarr |
| 06:52.37 | Fisker- | i could've sworn i pressed TAB |
| 06:52.45 | jme | TAB the drink? |
| 06:52.57 | Fisker- | the name |
| 06:53.10 | Nargiddley | ckknight, i'm perfectly happy with you forking it, i'll still be maintaining it depending how powerful the new AceOptions is |
| 06:53.32 | ckknight | Nargiddley: basically what I'm doing is starting from scratch but stealing your general gui creation code |
| 06:53.41 | ckknight | so your code will be in it and all |
| 06:53.58 | ckknight | and I'd have absolutely no issue with you helping to make or maintain it |
| 06:54.23 | Nargiddley | ckknight, feel free to use as much of it as you want |
| 06:54.31 | ckknight | Nargiddley: the general idea is that it's a bitch to support 3 conflicting implementations of AceOptions, so the idea is to standardize on a single one |
| 06:54.34 | ckknight | for the entire framework |
| 06:54.51 | Nargiddley | sounds good |
| 06:55.16 | Fisker- | btw since vhaarr isn't here anyone know something about it's frames? |
| 06:55.20 | Wobwork | tbh, I say screw dewdrop support and commadn line support |
| 06:55.29 | ckknight | Wobwork: that's the plan |
| 06:55.32 | Silviu- | And when the entire framework is ready u think all will switch to Ace3 ? i mean all addon authors |
| 06:55.38 | Fisker- | Dash reports it's "Table: <insert some number>" |
| 06:55.41 | Nargiddley | I've been tempted to work on something that goes further than Waterfall for general guis, |
| 06:55.43 | Wobwork | just have it show up as a waterfall option |
| 06:55.46 | ckknight | Silviu-: my guess: 5 weeks |
| 06:55.48 | Fisker- | and as such it can't find the parent and hide it |
| 06:55.55 | ckknight | console is a poor man's gui |
| 06:55.57 | Wobwork | Fisker-: look in the code |
| 06:56.07 | ckknight | and dewdrop is just horrid with enough levels, it's used for too much now |
| 06:56.16 | Bejitt | the wiki exploded: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Special:Wantedpages |
| 06:56.20 | Wobwork | ckknight: honestly, if they can't afford a gui, they don't need to play a graphic MMORPG =P |
| 06:56.27 | Knaledge | ckknight: I don't want to interrupt you much but I am wicked tired and was hoping you could point me in the right direction to save this layout |
| 06:56.30 | Knaledge | so I can export it |
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| 06:56.49 | ckknight | Knaledge: go to the specific unit frame, other, layouts, it's in there |
| 06:56.52 | ckknight | Wobwork: pretty much |
| 06:57.09 | Knaledge | aw man I can't just save them all? |
| 06:57.11 | Fisker- | f = CreateFrame("Button", nil, UIParent) |
| 06:57.14 | Knaledge | as a package? |
| 06:57.16 | ckknight | the general idea is to standardize on LibAceConfig-3.0, make it as powerful and pretty and user friendly as possible |
| 06:57.17 | Fisker- | i guess that is the one that creates the frame? |
| 06:57.20 | ckknight | Knaledge: no |
| 06:57.25 | Knaledge | damned. ok |
| 06:57.25 | ckknight | yes, Fin |
| 06:57.28 | ckknight | Fisker-* |
| 06:57.32 | Knaledge | Also real quick it looks like a bug but.. |
| 06:57.44 | Knaledge | everything I do in my party shows up in thee chat frame as... |
| 06:57.50 | ckknight | and by having every addon use it, it will provide a great deal of consistency to the framework |
| 06:58.02 | Knaledge | Thre::humGnarlpine Gardener]PARTY]Paddington] |
| 06:58.07 | Knaledge | *Thr |
| 06:58.24 | Knaledge | and enumts6dsZd |
| 06:58.44 | ckknight | Knaledge: um, are you looking at CHAT_MSG_ADDON results? |
| 06:58.47 | ckknight | or someting? |
| 06:58.48 | Jaxon | Cool "Sure. I've added /targetexact for 2.3: " |
| 06:58.52 | Knaledge | no idea |
| 06:59.00 | Knaledge | I have only the "General" chat tab |
| 06:59.06 | Knaledge | this is just stuff showing up in my chat pane |
| 06:59.09 | ccKep | deactivate debugging and stop smashing random buttons (guess) |
| 06:59.19 | Knaledge | I don't have debugging active.. |
| 06:59.24 | Knaledge | at least, not of my own doing |
| 06:59.59 | ckknight | Silviu-: if you think about it, Ace2 has lasted strong for over a year, only recently has my urge to fix it overwhelmed me |
| 07:00.00 | ccKep | "i don't have debugging active.." as in "my ora2 has raidframes" ? |
| 07:00.22 | Silviu- | ckknight true, i only mean we will have 2 frameworks running |
| 07:00.35 | ckknight | for a little while |
| 07:00.40 | Silviu- | Since u`ll update Carto, fubar etc for Ace3 and rest of addon authors ... will take a while |
| 07:00.42 | Knaledge | dude, respect that I'll report a bug. |
| 07:00.47 | Knaledge | seriously. |
| 07:00.58 | ckknight | granted, if you actually think about it, the frameworks themselves aren't too big |
| 07:01.09 | Silviu- | Hope it won`t bug if u run 2 same time |
| 07:01.10 | ckknight | and if you look harder, Ace3 is a lot slimmer and more efficient than Ace2 |
| 07:01.14 | Silviu- | That is what i say only |
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| 07:01.19 | ckknight | Silviu-: no, they're very, very distinct |
| 07:01.26 | Silviu- | Okay |
| 07:01.27 | ckknight | different library and addon handling |
| 07:01.43 | ckknight | I will likely do a backwards-compatible AceEvent dispatch system, though |
| 07:01.43 | Silviu- | One opinion .. after all is finished u could not merge it in Ace2 ? |
| 07:01.52 | ckknight | so AceEvent-2.0 events fire for AceEvent-3.0 |
| 07:01.57 | Silviu- | Or api`s are different |
| 07:02.02 | ckknight | no, Silviu-, APIs are drastically different |
| 07:02.08 | Silviu- | oky |
| 07:02.10 | ckknight | which, all in all, make things a lot simpler |
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| 07:02.17 | ckknight | library creation is a _lot_ easier |
| 07:02.20 | ArcaneTrickster | mornin |
| 07:02.26 | ckknight | from a maintenance POV as well |
| 07:02.36 | ckknight | and a lot of the cruft was taken out |
| 07:02.41 | Silviu- | ckknight then i loow forwarf for that moment ;) |
| 07:02.42 | ckknight | which allows for a much more efficient system |
| 07:02.47 | Silviu- | look* |
| 07:02.54 | ckknight | Silviu-: AceConfig is the last big step |
| 07:02.54 | Silviu- | bah .. forward* |
| 07:03.06 | ckknight | once that's done, it'll essentially be "ready" |
| 07:03.41 | Wobwork | I wonder if we can discourage the creation of large libraries |
| 07:04.00 | ckknight | how large? |
| 07:04.24 | Wobwork | One of the largest complaints about Ace so far is that of the overuse of too many libraries of which only a fraction of the functionality is actually appropriated |
| 07:04.44 | ckknight | hrm |
| 07:05.01 | ckknight | well then your complaint is about overreaching libraries |
| 07:05.08 | Wobwork | aye |
| 07:05.13 | ckknight | I try to keep my libraries from being overreaching, in the general case |
| 07:05.33 | nevcairiel | AceEvent was such a case, but i think the new version with AceTimers split off solves alot there |
| 07:05.43 | Knaledge | alright well, I have no idea whats causing it but every action any party member takes is being reported in the main chat frame ("General") and it's showing up as "[Thr][some_weird_debug_output_here][PARTY][player_name]" |
| 07:05.43 | ckknight | I agree |
| 07:06.00 | Wobwork | I think if there are any libraries where such a clearcut distinction can be made in functionality, it should definitely be split |
| 07:06.03 | ckknight | Knaledge: my guess: you're seeing Threat-1.0 debug info |
| 07:06.10 | Knaledge | and I definitely didn't manually enable any debug stuff |
| 07:06.20 | Knaledge | yeah when this guy joined my part it said.. |
| 07:06.40 | nevcairiel | Knaledge: that output looks alot like that ShowAddonMsg addon or something like that |
| 07:06.45 | Silviu- | ckknight another opinion, if u will name it Ace3 why not start from now and modify Joker to ace3 instead of creating code and definning so many places Joker and in future name it, will be harder ;) |
| 07:07.13 | Knaledge | "[Thr]bumjsenUSesThreat-1.0][PARTY][Paddington] |
| 07:07.20 | ckknight | Silviu-: because there will be an SVN change where revision numbers start at 1, and it'll be less confusing when I name it at that point |
| 07:07.28 | Knaledge | then it hasn't stopped spamming since |
| 07:07.32 | Silviu- | Oky :) |
| 07:07.45 | ckknight | Silviu-: also, by having it named Joker, it makes it so people don't code against it |
| 07:07.49 | ckknight | which they really shouldn't be doing yet |
| 07:07.52 | Silviu- | ^^ |
| 07:08.03 | ckknight | also, I named it Joker when it was a pet project, when I was unsure if it'd become anything |
| 07:08.04 | Knaledge | also, Prat seems to constantly scroll to the bottom of the chat frame even though I have purposely scrolled up in the chat frame to review text |
| 07:08.04 | nevcairiel | Knaledge: i suppose you run an addon which displays the Addon Messages, like ViewAddonMessage, or that Prat Module for that |
| 07:08.14 | Knaledge | it keeps popping me down to the bottom after a few seconds |
| 07:08.18 | Silviu- | Ahaaaaaaaaa i have an svn account which i never used lemme` take a look what i can brake in Joker :P |
| 07:08.25 | Knaledge | I have Prat installed |
| 07:08.35 | Knaledge | is there some module in Prat that could be causing this? |
| 07:08.39 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 07:08.39 | omega | Knaledge: thats a prat module |
| 07:08.52 | Knaledge | omega: which? |
| 07:08.56 | ckknight | Silviu-: API docs here: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Joker |
| 07:08.58 | Knaledge | omega: the scrolling? or the debug |
| 07:08.59 | omega | cant remember |
| 07:09.01 | nevcairiel | AddonMessages |
| 07:09.03 | omega | the scrolling at least |
| 07:09.06 | nevcairiel | is the debug thing |
| 07:09.37 | Knaledge | ok I disabled "PratAddonMsgs" |
| 07:09.43 | Knaledge | probably should be off by default for end user, tbh |
| 07:09.48 | Knaledge | that is quite the headache |
| 07:11.11 | Knaledge | ah ok didn't realize "TheLowDown" was also part of the scrolling module.. |
| 07:11.17 | Knaledge | thanks for the heads up |
| 07:11.25 | Knaledge | (genuinely) |
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| 07:15.28 | Knaledge | ok last but not least.. |
| 07:15.49 | Knaledge | I'm fairly comfortable with these addons now. I installed a separate instance of WoW, etc. and addons to that |
| 07:16.28 | Knaledge | now, I want to migrate all of those over to my primary install and wipe this one out. So ideally, just "port" everything I've done here, save vars and all, to my main install. What would I need to do? |
| 07:18.41 | omega | copy the right files form WTF/ and Interface/ |
| 07:19.09 | omega | ckknight: I was reading abit on the Joker thing. Whats the argument for having unit-testing in the main libray and not in, say, JokerTest or something? |
| 07:20.14 | CIA-14 | 03morgalm * r46071 10MorgDKP/ (6 files): |
| 07:20.14 | CIA-14 | MorgDKP: |
| 07:20.14 | CIA-14 | - fixed silent auction so couldn't whisper bid more than once |
| 07:20.14 | CIA-14 | - fixed whisper bidding for non bidwar situations (wasn't working) |
| 07:20.14 | CIA-14 | - fixed quality in wrong menu location |
| 07:20.14 | CIA-14 | - tweaked output with ID in non bidwar |
| 07:20.15 | Fisker- | does a lot of addons support "AddonLoader" :P |
| 07:20.39 | ckknight | four things: (1) effort (2) unit tests change as code changes (3) it's not just going to be in Joker core, it'll be in many libraries (4) unit tests are thrown away right away if they are not run, so the performance loss is minimal and initial |
| 07:20.51 | Pkekyo | Fisker-: don't think so |
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| 07:21.58 | Fisker- | 4 addons sofar i can see >P |
| 07:22.00 | Fisker- | :P |
| 07:22.15 | Fisker- | well a small improvement is better than no improvement |
| 07:25.30 | ckknight | omega: frankly, I see the addition of code that is thrown away right away as better than me breaking Ace constantly |
| 07:25.34 | ckknight | as I tend to do |
| 07:25.49 | omega | hehe |
| 07:25.58 | omega | I am all for unit-testing :) I was just curious |
| 07:26.10 | omega | I tend to keep my tests outside the regular code |
| 07:26.21 | omega | but I know others prefer the more assert'ive approach |
| 07:27.56 | Knaledge | is the SavedVariables.lua file important for migration? |
| 07:28.03 | Knaledge | the one that is in the root account folder? |
| 07:28.16 | Knaledge | like <Account Name>\SavedVariables.lua |
| 07:28.38 | Knaledge | otherwise, everything else seems straight forward |
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| 07:28.54 | Fisker- | wee |
| 07:29.04 | Fisker- | i like this progress of cleaning up your addons and end up adding a few more |
| 07:30.22 | attumen | i'm happy to see , that i'm not the only one fisker ;) |
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| 07:34.02 | CIA-14 | 03hedin * r46072 10WFtotem/core.lua: WFtotem: Cleaning. |
| 07:34.24 | omega | I always end up with too many addons |
| 07:34.46 | omega | after stopping playing for a few months, I was thinking "lets start fresh, only a few addons this time" |
| 07:36.32 | Pkekyo | it doesn't work that way ;> |
| 07:42.21 | Pkekyo | you'll always be stribing to achieve perfection, hence: always adding and removing stuff on your UI |
| 07:44.23 | art3mis | hrm this envy util for linux is pretty rad |
| 07:44.31 | Diao | that happens to me too |
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| 07:44.38 | Diao | i keep adding and deleting stuff.. but somehow i always add more than id elete |
| 07:45.19 | Diao | i also noticed something |
| 07:45.26 | Diao | littlewigs timers in black morass |
| 07:45.28 | Diao | after temporus |
| 07:45.30 | Diao | are way way off |
| 07:45.30 | Diao | lol |
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| 07:49.01 | omega | art3mis: envy? |
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| 07:50.25 | Fisker- | internet communications device |
| 07:51.08 | art3mis | its an ati/nvidia linux driver installer/remover thingy |
| 07:51.22 | art3mis | actually does it properly |
| 07:51.37 | Fisker- | but i wanted it to be a internet communications device |
| 07:52.16 | art3mis | that would be the Windows VistaTM Tin Can and String Network Expansion Pack |
| 07:54.21 | Fisker- | NO |
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| 07:56.12 | omega | art3mis: ahh, I let ubuntu deal with that for my nvidia needs |
| 07:56.18 | CIA-14 | 03nargiddley * r46073 10Baggins/ (Baggins-enUS.lua Baggins.lua): Baggins: Add User defined profiles alongside the 3 built in profiles, these are available from all characters |
| 07:56.40 | CIA-14 | 03roartindon * r46074 10Assessment/Modules/Healing.lua: |
| 07:56.40 | CIA-14 | Assessment |
| 07:56.40 | CIA-14 | - Optimizations to heal processing |
| 07:56.58 | Mecdemort | Nargiddley: Is there any way to find out what section an item is in if you have the bagid and index of said item? |
| 07:58.32 | Nargiddley | Mecdemort, digging into the section caches yeah |
| 07:58.53 | Pkekyo | for some obscure reason, I keep pressing F1 rather than Esc when I'm going to log out >.< |
| 07:59.52 | Jaxon | Pkekyo: /logout works too |
| 08:00.01 | Pkekyo | and /camp |
| 08:00.07 | Pkekyo | I've just made a habit of it |
| 08:00.18 | Pkekyo | like I always write /console quit and /console reloadui |
| 08:00.31 | Fisker- | NICE |
| 08:00.42 | Pkekyo | right... |
| 08:00.44 | Fisker- | nevermind i suck :( |
| 08:01.06 | Pkekyo | rofl |
| 08:01.22 | Pkekyo | be proud of being good at sucking ;> |
| 08:01.49 | Mecdemort | suckas ftw? |
| 08:02.14 | Fisker- | thought that blizzard's voip could circumvent that dreadful soundloop it makes when some idiots use a table-mic + speakers |
| 08:02.34 | Fisker- | but i just forgot, even though it turns down game music, people speak still loop(obviously) |
| 08:02.51 | nevcairiel | was that activated now on ptr? |
| 08:03.17 | Fisker- | no |
| 08:03.30 | Fisker- | well it is on the US servers i think |
| 08:03.34 | Fisker- | but not on the EU servers yet |
| 08:03.36 | Mecdemort | oh reary? |
| 08:03.46 | Fisker- | ya reary |
| 08:03.51 | Neebler | oh garsh, time to load PTR |
| 08:03.53 | Neebler | go usa~ |
| 08:04.08 | Fisker- | but the UI still shows up until the second time you open up the menu |
| 08:04.15 | Fisker- | so you can check the options and what not |
| 08:04.47 | Fisker- | kinda pointless implementation if you ask me |
| 08:04.55 | Fisker- | "Let's hide the UI when voice chat is not enabled" |
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| 08:05.00 | Fisker- | "But why would we disable it?" |
| 08:05.29 | ckknight | is voice enabled on PTR? |
| 08:05.34 | nevcairiel | i hope 2.2 will be out this month anytime |
| 08:05.35 | Fisker- | not on EU atleast |
| 08:05.40 | Fisker- | but i heard it was on the US PTR's |
| 08:05.46 | ckknight | you blue-bloods don't matter to me |
| 08:05.48 | ckknight | woo, America! |
| 08:06.35 | ckknight | one is constantly erupting on the big island |
| 08:06.57 | nevcairiel | that small thing doesnt harm tho |
| 08:07.07 | Punkie` | he means the one that kills everything except europe |
| 08:07.09 | Punkie` | :P |
| 08:07.11 | nevcairiel | hehehe |
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| 08:08.40 | Fisker- | around Punkie` never relax |
| 08:08.57 | Neebler | yep on US test server now, voice chat works |
| 08:09.15 | Punkie` | man i had a terrible raid last night |
| 08:09.23 | Punkie` | tuesday we kill vashj for the first time |
| 08:09.36 | Punkie` | last night we barely scrape void, gruul and mag |
| 08:09.39 | Punkie` | -.- |
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| 08:10.14 | Nargiddley | Mecdemort, http://narg.pastey.net/71969 finds what sections a given slot is shown in |
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| 08:12.10 | mort|work | mag is somewhat understandable, there is always someone in the raid how is to stupid to click at the right time ;) |
| 08:12.18 | [Ammo] | morning girls |
| 08:12.32 | mort|work | s/how/who |
| 08:12.33 | Nargiddley | hm, that wont always work when hide duplicates is off |
| 08:12.48 | ckknight | is there a UI guild on the PTR? |
| 08:13.05 | Fisker- | ckknight fanclub |
| 08:13.23 | Fisker- | would be a nice guild |
| 08:13.35 | Punkie` | mort|work: funnily enough mag was flawless :P |
| 08:14.08 | Fisker- | I'm in charge of malaysia |
| 08:14.10 | Fisker- | or whatever |
| 08:14.40 | [Ammo] | trashtrouble again punk/ |
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| 08:15.11 | Pkekyo | hahah, gotta love this warrior leveling to 70 naked :> |
| 08:15.14 | Pkekyo | he's at lvl 66 now |
| 08:15.20 | ckknight | ...? |
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| 08:15.50 | Fisker- | som guy on the european servers |
| 08:16.05 | Fisker- | he's leveling from 1-70 with only trinkets, rings and necklaces |
| 08:16.18 | Fisker- | and an offhand |
| 08:16.50 | RaydenUni | http://pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/shake/ca/ |
| 08:16.52 | RaydenUni | just felt it |
| 08:16.54 | nevcairiel | haha ive seen that |
| 08:17.01 | RaydenUni | anyone else here from southern cal feel the earthquake? |
| 08:17.06 | Punkie` | [Ammo]: Idiot trouble more like |
| 08:18.52 | Pkekyo | !c eu Aerie Peak gutrot |
| 08:18.58 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Gutrot, Level 66 Troll Warrior (5/41/11). 5359 HP; 933 AP; 70.5 Melee DPS; 9.26% melee crit; 5.99% dodge; 5.8% block; [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2eaa7r ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/39kxcq ]] |
| 08:19.20 | Pkekyo | that's the naked guy |
| 08:19.35 | Pkekyo | guild named Naked Noobs...^ |
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| 08:20.01 | Bejitt | haha awesome |
| 08:20.17 | Pkekyo | ^christ, I can't get past 280 cooking skill 'cause my fishing isn't high enough :< |
| 08:20.25 | Grum | should be called: Baked Noobs |
| 08:20.38 | Grum | muuuch better name ;D |
| 08:20.40 | Pkekyo | lmao |
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| 08:20.44 | RaydenUni | naked guy? |
| 08:21.02 | Grum | especially .. since you can toss letters arounds making ... Naked ..... |
| 08:21.12 | RaydenUni | the naked troll was a hunter i thought |
| 08:21.19 | Pkekyo | RaydenUni: troll warrior on EU leveling 1-70 naked |
| 08:21.28 | RaydenUni | http://ntproject.blogspot.com/ |
| 08:21.35 | RaydenUni | much harder with a warrior |
| 08:21.42 | Pkekyo | aye |
| 08:21.48 | Bejitt | what does "A'dal's song of battle" come from? |
| 08:21.58 | RaydenUni | without armor do all classes die equally fast? |
| 08:21.59 | Pkekyo | err |
| 08:22.00 | Diao | killing kaelthas |
| 08:22.03 | Diao | and turning in the thing |
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| 08:22.08 | Bejitt | =o |
| 08:22.21 | Pkekyo | RaydenUni: would guess so...depends on hp pool and such though |
| 08:22.24 | RaydenUni | that troll has pants on though |
| 08:22.45 | RaydenUni | and rings and trinkets |
| 08:23.02 | Bejitt | cant see the pants >_> |
| 08:23.05 | Pkekyo | pants without stats, to be exact |
| 08:23.14 | Pkekyo | Torn Ogre Loincloth or something |
| 08:23.18 | Grum | hehe |
| 08:23.20 | Bejitt | haha |
| 08:25.39 | RaydenUni | but pants nonetheless |
| 08:25.54 | RaydenUni | i think everyone will agree, if you are to be naked, being panceless is of utmost importance |
| 08:28.18 | etip | is there any ways to check if a target is in line of sight ? (for a healer to check the tank) |
| 08:29.02 | Grum | yes, try casting a spell and watching for errors :( |
| 08:29.22 | Jaxon | etip: he means, "no, there is no api for LoS" |
| 08:29.22 | Mecdemort | Nargiddley: thanks, just saw your message |
| 08:29.35 | Grum | you can make one! ;) |
| 08:29.45 | Grum | (but you might trigger a 1.5s gc =)) |
| 08:29.49 | etip | yeah thought about it ... not the best option though |
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| 08:31.26 | ckknight | so the voice stuff isn't enabled yet |
| 08:32.42 | Pkekyo | anyone here know PitBull? |
| 08:32.54 | Grum | hehe |
| 08:33.03 | Grum | i guess so ;) |
| 08:33.09 | Pkekyo | those black backgrounds behind the health and mana bars when expended...how can I remove it? |
| 08:33.20 | Neebler | http://www.compare-network-monitoring-tools.com/letsrace.html |
| 08:33.26 | Neebler | ohhhh man I would so do that |
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| 08:33.59 | Mecdemort | Nargiddley: Do you think this would take a long time to process for a full bank or bags search? |
| 08:34.08 | omega | ckknight: I was wondering, is there any way to rotate the textures for bars in cowtip when I put them on the sides of the tooltip? |
| 08:34.17 | ckknight | no |
| 08:34.18 | omega | right now it just gets stretched height wise |
| 08:34.19 | omega | ok |
| 08:34.58 | Jaxon | Pkekyo: in the bars submenu each frame, you can choose a custom background color for each bar. I would think setting the alpha to 1 would do it. |
| 08:35.12 | RaydenUni | no one in my guild is showing up on the armory |
| 08:36.30 | RaydenUni | oh, because i dont play on an EU server |
| 08:36.35 | mitch0 | actually, as far as I remember, those colors don't take alpha |
| 08:36.45 | mitch0 | would be fairly trivial to add though |
| 08:37.11 | mitch0 | but it might've been a consicous decision by ckk to ignore alpha there |
| 08:37.28 | Grum | Neebler: damn you need some balls for that ... see him taking those hairpin curves with that speed .. O.o |
| 08:37.57 | RaydenUni | i need a 69 shadow priest to compare gear with |
| 08:39.59 | Pkekyo | Jaxon: couldn't find alpha settings for the custom background color |
| 08:39.59 | yacoob | *blink* |
| 08:40.06 | yacoob | why do you need 69 with shadow priest...? |
| 08:40.07 | Grum | RaydenUni: ~400-500 spelldmg should be doable :) |
| 08:40.13 | Pkekyo | - nor opacity settings |
| 08:40.17 | RaydenUni | i have 409 |
| 08:40.19 | Jaxon | Pkekyo: yeah, mitch0 said it wasn't there, I've never looked, I assumed it was a standard color picker, but guess not. |
| 08:40.30 | Grum | RaydenUni: but seriously - dont bother with gear unless you are 70 ;) |
| 08:40.32 | RaydenUni | i'm a 69 shadow priest and i want to know how good my gear is |
| 08:40.36 | RaydenUni | i know |
| 08:41.01 | Diao | lol |
| 08:41.09 | Jaxon | 69 twink? |
| 08:41.10 | Diao | !c us blackrock dailox |
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| 08:41.18 | ThraeBot | Diao: Dailox, Level 68 Blood Elf Priest (10/0/49). 5526 HP; 7611 Mana; 178 mana regen; 4 mp5; 51 spell crit; 30 spell hit; 338 +spell dmg; 462 +heal; 4.88% dodge; [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yqmsj6 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/334dql ]] |
| 08:41.24 | Diao | that's my priest |
| 08:41.27 | Diao | and he's in crap gear |
| 08:41.29 | Pkekyo | Jaxon: it's a standard color picker. The standard without alpha/opacity settings ;> |
| 08:41.51 | RaydenUni | !c us destromath raydenuni |
| 08:41.55 | mitch0 | jaxon: it's a standard color picker without alpha |
| 08:41.56 | Jaxon | Pkekyo: blame ckknight! I just assumed that is where it was :\ |
| 08:41.57 | ThraeBot | RaydenUni: Raydenuni, Level 69 Troll Priest (11/2/46). 6160 HP; 7570 Mana; 171 mana regen; 4 mp5; 127 spell crit; 29 spell hit; 409 +spell dmg/heal; 4.99% dodge; +3 all resists; [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2ye5pn ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2tnsum ]] |
| 08:42.04 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather scorchx |
| 08:42.12 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Scorchx, Level 70 Tauren Shaman (40/0/21). 7821 HP; 8993 Mana; 143 mana regen; 44 mp5; 8079 Armour; 3.32% melee crit; 339 spell crit; 42 spell hit; 650 +spell dmg/heal; 4.03% dodge; 5% block; 44 resilience; [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/236hhp ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2jwu8b ]] |
| 08:42.12 | RaydenUni | i wonder how i got +3 all resists |
| 08:42.18 | Grum | gem |
| 08:42.25 | RaydenUni | i don't think i have any gems |
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| 08:42.40 | CIA-14 | - Update locale koKR |
| 08:42.41 | Grum | buff? racial? .. who cares! =D |
| 08:42.46 | omega | !c eu Ravencrest Horlaine |
| 08:42.56 | ThraeBot | omega: Horlaine, Level 67 Human Mage (0/0/58). 5326 HP; 7487 Mana; 164 mana regen; 55 mp5; 166 spell crit; 49 spell hit; 423 +spell dmg/heal; 4.54% dodge; 10 frost resist; 10 shadow resist; +15 all resists; [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2z7zg9 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2jzaqr ]] |
| 08:43.03 | mitch0 | rayden: probly some low-level MotW on you? |
| 08:43.08 | nevcairiel | thats possible |
| 08:43.27 | mitch0 | ckknight: ping |
| 08:43.31 | Pkekyo | that Elemental shammy I linked to is healing better than most dedicated healers I've been in heroics with O.o |
| 08:43.34 | Pkekyo | - in full dps gear |
| 08:43.53 | nevcairiel | thats why i dont PuG heroics |
| 08:44.03 | RaydenUni | i have no weird buffs on me |
| 08:44.06 | nevcairiel | being a healer myself, i generally say that about tanks or dds :P |
| 08:44.09 | RaydenUni | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Destromath&n=Raydenuni |
| 08:44.10 | Arrowmaster | RaydenUni: cloak enchant? |
| 08:44.13 | Grum | or .. sigh |
| 08:44.16 | RaydenUni | oh right |
| 08:44.17 | Grum | enchant on your cloak? |
| 08:44.19 | Grum | lol |
| 08:44.19 | RaydenUni | i was working on my enchanting |
| 08:44.37 | Arrowmaster | i was doing that enchant a bunch today on my lowbie pally |
| 08:44.47 | nevcairiel | yeah cloak has +3 all resist |
| 08:45.04 | RaydenUni | Diao why do you not have shadow reach? |
| 08:45.10 | wu-nix | !c eu neptulon chixxor |
| 08:45.10 | Grum | lol :) |
| 08:45.15 | Diao | i don't use it |
| 08:45.18 | ThraeBot | wu-nix: Chixxor, Level 70 Gnome Mage (40/18/3). 7933 HP; 10511 Mana; 183 mana regen; 27 mp5; 285 spell crit; 106 spell hit; 865 +spell dmg; 143 frost dmg (1008); 315 arcane dmg (1180); 315 fire dmg (1180); 6.1% dodge; +33 all resists (+10 arcane); [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2byg35 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/36b684 ]] |
| 08:45.30 | Diao | i have no need for it |
| 08:45.31 | Diao | while leveling |
| 08:45.40 | Grum | you dont use it? |
| 08:45.46 | Grum | it give you range .. range == good |
| 08:45.58 | RaydenUni | what? |
| 08:46.02 | Pkekyo | nevcairiel: it's not that the other healers are bad, but he's really *REALLY* fucking imba O.o |
| 08:46.02 | Grum | why do you have 'Healing Focus' ? :) |
| 08:46.04 | RaydenUni | range is critical while levelling |
| 08:46.15 | RaydenUni | eh, way back when i would always heal in dungeons |
| 08:46.20 | RaydenUni | now i wish i didn't have it |
| 08:46.24 | Grum | respec? :) |
| 08:46.30 | RaydenUni | and Diao you need 5 points into the shadow damage threat reduction |
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| 08:46.39 | Grum | RaydenUni: depends if you solo or not |
| 08:46.43 | RaydenUni | range really only matters when soloing |
| 08:46.49 | Grum | no it matters always :) |
| 08:47.03 | RaydenUni | how does it matter in dungeons? |
| 08:47.05 | Diao | my spec |
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| 08:47.06 | Diao | is for leveling |
| 08:47.09 | Diao | not for raid yet |
| 08:47.10 | Diao | :) |
| 08:47.25 | RaydenUni | Diao range gives your dots more time before mobs get to you |
| 08:47.29 | RaydenUni | gives you more time to cast mind flay on them |
| 08:47.35 | Diao | i have a |
| 08:47.38 | Diao | weird way of leveling |
| 08:47.47 | RaydenUni | what's that? |
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| 08:47.51 | CIA-14 | Assessment : |
| 08:47.51 | CIA-14 | - Fixed locale koKR |
| 08:47.51 | CIA-14 | - Sorry Typo fix :) |
| 08:47.52 | Grum | RaydenUni: 20% further away from a mob gives you 20% more time to do dmg, get away in time, fade ... |
| 08:47.54 | Diao | i VT, VE, SW:P, mindblast, bubble then flay |
| 08:48.10 | Diao | then wand |
| 08:48.12 | Diao | if its still aliv |
| 08:48.13 | Diao | e |
| 08:48.14 | RaydenUni | that's what i do |
| 08:48.18 | RaydenUni | except i SWP before VE |
| 08:48.19 | Diao | sometimes i skip mindblast |
| 08:48.26 | Diao | and just flay once |
| 08:48.27 | Diao | and then wand |
| 08:48.30 | Diao | while VE heals me |
| 08:48.30 | RaydenUni | damage before healing |
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| 08:48.33 | mort|work | vt, sw:p, mf, mf, and if needed wand or fear, mf, mf... |
| 08:48.35 | Diao | and never run out of hp |
| 08:48.38 | Diao | or mana |
| 08:48.38 | RaydenUni | and i don't usually bubble |
| 08:48.45 | RaydenUni | bubble takes too much mana for regular mobs |
| 08:48.54 | Diao | well |
| 08:49.03 | Diao | if i am leveling for mana efficiency |
| 08:49.06 | RaydenUni | and no need if you have VE |
| 08:49.08 | Diao | i just vt/ve/swp/mflay |
| 08:49.10 | Diao | and then wand |
| 08:49.10 | nevcairiel | ive always wondered, is VT really worth it when solo? i mean do you really get enough mana back so its worth casting it? |
| 08:49.14 | RaydenUni | why VE before SWP? |
| 08:49.20 | Grum | nevcairiel: i never used it |
| 08:49.21 | Diao | it doesn't matter really |
| 08:49.21 | Diao | lol |
| 08:49.23 | Diao | either way works |
| 08:49.25 | Diao | i just have it setup that way |
| 08:49.26 | RaydenUni | nevcairiel VT always runs out before i kill mobs |
| 08:49.27 | Grum | it costs more mana than it will return |
| 08:49.30 | mort|work | vt is worth it |
| 08:49.32 | Grum | wanding ftw tbh |
| 08:49.37 | RaydenUni | VT ticks as hard as SWP |
| 08:49.46 | RaydenUni | and its either VT or mind blast |
| 08:50.00 | RaydenUni | i would guess VT does more dmg and is more mana efficient than mind blast |
| 08:50.04 | nevcairiel | oh yeah i ignored the fact that it actually does dmg too |
| 08:50.15 | RaydenUni | i think VT for me does about 1200dmg |
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| 08:50.19 | RaydenUni | swp does about 2500 |
| 08:50.22 | RaydenUni | mind blast 1100 |
| 08:50.45 | mort|work | mindblast/shield is to mana inefficient for grinding |
| 08:51.01 | RaydenUni | VT, SWP, VE, mind flay as many times as i can, maybe mind blast, wand to death |
| 08:51.15 | RaydenUni | usually only mind blast is the mob is going to take a lot of life out of me |
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| 08:52.01 | RaydenUni | and range is critical for that, the standard shadow priest battle |
| 08:52.21 | Diao | eh |
| 08:52.23 | Diao | i've never found a need for it |
| 08:52.33 | mort|work | i skip ve, with inner fire up there isn't much damage incoming or i just fear |
| 08:52.40 | RaydenUni | Diao if you don't have it then of course not |
| 08:52.45 | mort|work | range is critical in most fights |
| 08:52.45 | Diao | i had it |
| 08:52.47 | Diao | before 60 |
| 08:52.50 | RaydenUni | it's not something you need, it's something that makes every battle slightly better |
| 08:52.50 | Diao | i respecced out of it |
| 08:52.53 | Diao | not for me |
| 08:52.56 | Diao | i found no difference |
| 08:52.56 | Diao | lol |
| 08:53.02 | RaydenUni | i don't see how you couldn't want it |
| 08:53.05 | Diao | i'd only use it in raids |
| 08:53.05 | mort|work | leotheras |
| 08:53.07 | Diao | if anything |
| 08:53.17 | RaydenUni | it's an extra SWP and VT tick every battle |
| 08:53.51 | RaydenUni | super important for pvp |
| 08:53.51 | Grum | there are so many aoes which are 30yrds .. if you just have to run 6 instead of 10 .. that also makes quite a diff :) |
| 08:54.15 | Diao | i don't pvp on my priest |
| 08:54.17 | Diao | lol |
| 08:54.21 | mort|work | there are tons of encounters where you need every bit of range |
| 08:54.46 | RaydenUni | i can't think of many battles where the range wouldn't help at all |
| 08:54.51 | RaydenUni | stuff inside obviously |
| 08:54.59 | RaydenUni | or stuff where you can't run before you get your mind flay off |
| 08:55.03 | Diao | it's called respec at 70 |
| 08:55.04 | Diao | :P |
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| 08:55.15 | CIA-14 | Assessment |
| 08:55.15 | CIA-14 | - More streamlining of data gathering |
| 08:55.15 | RaydenUni | but... range is good for levelling |
| 08:55.28 | mort|work | ack |
| 08:55.34 | RaydenUni | if anything i'd respect at 70 and drop it... though it seems important for raids |
| 08:55.45 | mort|work | extra range = one extra mindflay before the mob can hit you |
| 08:56.01 | RaydenUni | eh |
| 08:56.07 | RaydenUni | depending on the mob i can get between 1 and 2 mind flays |
| 08:56.21 | RaydenUni | without the range i doubt i'd ever get 2 full |
| 08:56.40 | Grum | range is needed at all cases :) |
| 08:56.55 | RaydenUni | yep, it's unanimous, respec diao |
| 08:56.56 | RaydenUni | :D |
| 08:57.02 | mort|work | and almost everything is dead after the 2. mf ;) |
| 08:57.11 | RaydenUni | and shadow power doesn't seem that important |
| 08:57.15 | Grum | i'd love to have a talent to increase my disciple spells range ;( |
| 08:57.21 | RaydenUni | i do'nt use mind blast or shadow word death all that much |
| 08:57.29 | Grum | sw:d is nice as finishing touch |
| 08:57.38 | RaydenUni | what discipline spells are there? shield, fort... |
| 08:57.43 | cryogen | why the hell would you need range? |
| 08:57.43 | Grum | dispell :( |
| 08:57.50 | RaydenUni | when i'm soloing i try to wand to death so i get spirit tap |
| 08:57.54 | RaydenUni | SWD messes that up |
| 08:57.56 | Grum | wtb 40yrd dispel :) |
| 08:57.56 | cryogen | no mobs, bar named or elites, can penetrate shield before dying |
| 08:58.00 | RaydenUni | when grouping its useful to get the kill though |
| 08:58.15 | Grum | RaydenUni: you get spirit tap however you kill the mob |
| 08:58.17 | RaydenUni | cryogen shield is horribly mana inefficient |
| 08:58.20 | cryogen | RaydenUni: dont fall for the spirit tap myth |
| 08:58.21 | Grum | as long as you deliver the final blow :P |
| 08:58.29 | RaydenUni | Grum but if my group mate kills it i don't get it |
| 08:58.32 | RaydenUni | ? cryogen |
| 08:58.35 | cryogen | oh you meant that |
| 08:58.36 | cryogen | never mind |
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| 08:58.40 | Grum | RaydenUni: i just said that |
| 08:58.45 | Grum | but how does wanding make it better? :) |
| 08:58.49 | RaydenUni | but grum, 5 seconds after i cast a spell i get no mana regen |
| 08:58.55 | RaydenUni | and with spirit tap i get 50% regen |
| 08:59.01 | RaydenUni | so by wanding i ensure i get 100% the entire duration |
| 08:59.05 | cryogen | oh |
| 08:59.11 | cryogen | you are falling for the spirit tap myth |
| 08:59.14 | RaydenUni | what myth? |
| 08:59.15 | Grum | indeed :) |
| 08:59.17 | mort|work | spirit tap and wand spec are both fantastic for leveling/questing |
| 08:59.23 | cryogen | there's a lengthy forum thread about it, i suggest you find it and read it |
| 08:59.28 | cryogen | its on the priest forum somewhere |
| 08:59.42 | cryogen | 09:58 < RaydenUni> and with spirit tap i get 50% regen |
| 08:59.42 | cryogen | 09:59 < RaydenUni> so by wanding i ensure i get 100% the entire duration |
| 08:59.44 | cryogen | that myth |
| 09:00.21 | Grum | with wanding you reduce the chance of actually getting the killing blow |
| 09:00.28 | Grum | so really .. sw:d ftw in that case :) |
| 09:00.31 | cryogen | aye |
| 09:00.41 | Wobin_ | really? |
| 09:00.44 | cryogen | but you do not decrease the effectiveness of spirit tap in any way |
| 09:00.49 | Wobin_ | well if you're grinding, aren't you the only one doing the killing? |
| 09:00.50 | RaydenUni | what is the myth exactly? |
| 09:01.01 | Grum | Wobin_: he said 'but my teammates' .. so he's not solo |
| 09:01.04 | Wobin_ | ah |
| 09:01.06 | cryogen | the myth is that spirit tap is better if you arent casting |
| 09:01.08 | cryogen | it isnt |
| 09:01.08 | Cheads | just stop wanding when it's alomost dead? |
| 09:01.09 | Grum | [10:59:42] <cryogen> 09:58 < RaydenUni> and with spirit tap i get 50% regen |
| 09:01.09 | Grum | [10:59:42] <cryogen> 09:59 < RaydenUni> so by wanding i ensure i get 100% the entire duration |
| 09:01.10 | Wobin_ | yeah, sw:d steal =) |
| 09:01.13 | Grum | that is the myth :) |
| 09:01.20 | cryogen | mana regen is better if you arent casting |
| 09:01.27 | RaydenUni | cryogen i have a plugin that shows my regen. it goes at half if i just cast |
| 09:01.29 | cryogen | but spirit tap doesnt help that |
| 09:01.40 | Grum | well that is true Cryect, just spirit tap doesnt care for it :) |
| 09:01.45 | cryogen | RaydenUni: yes but thats the 5 second rule, not spirit tap |
| 09:01.53 | RaydenUni | Spirit Tap gives a chance of boosting your Spirit by 100% and allowing 50% mana regeneration while casting for 15 sec. |
| 09:01.57 | RaydenUni | oh while casting? |
| 09:01.59 | Grum | spirit tap will set your regenrate at X if you are in FSR or not |
| 09:02.00 | RaydenUni | nt for the 5 seconds? |
| 09:02.21 | RaydenUni | so spirit tap ignores the 5 second rule? |
| 09:02.30 | cryogen | 50% of it |
| 09:02.39 | mort|work | still, getting the killing blow just for spirit...meh, get blackout as soon as you stop doing quests/grinding ;) |
| 09:02.49 | cryogen | seriously read the thread, it's explained very well in there |
| 09:02.52 | cryogen | much better than i am doing |
| 09:02.53 | Grum | mort|work: indeed :) |
| 09:03.16 | cryogen | basically the conclusion is do not change your playstyle for spirit tap |
| 09:03.25 | RaydenUni | what thread? |
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| 09:03.39 | cryogen | if you normally wand at the end of a mob to regen mana, then continue to do so, but dont do it because you have spirit tap and want it to be better, because it wont be |
| 09:03.48 | Grum | boo we just got Morogrim to 41% :( |
| 09:03.48 | RaydenUni | link the thread |
| 09:03.56 | cryogen | i have to find it for you as well? sheesh :p |
| 09:03.58 | Grum | (not just now but yesterday .. anyhow .. sigh) |
| 09:04.03 | RaydenUni | the other reason i don't cast SWD at the end is i'm wanding and then i have to cancel my wanding and time it |
| 09:04.08 | RaydenUni | i do'nt know where the thread is |
| 09:04.09 | yoshimo | When is the trac systems supposed to be back? ;) |
| 09:04.19 | Grum | wts 41% of Morogrims health pool |
| 09:04.39 | Bejitt | trac is on o_O |
| 09:04.46 | nevcairiel | lol grum |
| 09:04.46 | Bejitt | http://trac.wowace.com o_O |
| 09:04.50 | Punkie` | what was your problem? aoe dying? |
| 09:05.04 | Wobin_ | Grum: well someone did that for Murmur =) |
| 09:05.09 | Grum | grin |
| 09:05.15 | Grum | i'd like to do him on Heroic with full health |
| 09:05.18 | Grum | now that would be a nice fight |
| 09:05.27 | Punkie` | yes it would be a nice fight |
| 09:05.31 | Punkie` | if you were crazy |
| 09:05.33 | Grum | i *love* that fight on Heroic |
| 09:05.44 | Bejitt | getting there.... |
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| 09:05.49 | CIA-14 | FuBar_RaidBuffFu: |
| 09:05.49 | CIA-14 | - possible performance tweak |
| 09:05.49 | Bejitt | ugh |
| 09:06.10 | cryogen | balls i cant find it now |
| 09:06.13 | cryogen | it used to be sticky |
| 09:06.52 | Grum | sticky balls? wash em =D |
| 09:07.27 | omega | cryogen: if I gain spirit-tap and start wanding, my spirit will be boosted by 100%, and after the FSR I will gain more by wanding and not casting, no? |
| 09:07.38 | omega | for the last 10 seconds of spirit-tap |
| 09:08.06 | Grum | now compare the chance you get the killing blow while in a group while wanding |
| 09:08.20 | Grum | to the amount of more mana you will get back the 5 seconds you have 50% more spirit regen |
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| 09:08.51 | cryogen | omega: out of the FSR you gain more mana, this is not something spirit tap does for you |
| 09:09.23 | cryogen | however the amount *gained by spirit tap* is the same whether inside or outside the FSR |
| 09:09.37 | Bejitt | is it possible to hook something in a LoD addon? o_O |
| 09:09.52 | omega | I dont understand that cryogen |
| 09:09.59 | omega | if I have double amount of spirits |
| 09:10.03 | omega | I get more outside FSR |
| 09:10.16 | omega | Grum: not talking about HOW I gain it now |
| 09:10.29 | cryogen | no, because inside the fsr it allows 50% to regen while casting |
| 09:10.35 | Grum | Spirit Tap (Rank 5): Gives you a 100% chance to gain a 100% bonus to your Spirit after killing a target that yields experience or honor. For the duration, your mana will regenerate at a 50% rate while casting. Lasts 15 sec. |
| 09:10.55 | cryogen | i wish i could find the thread |
| 09:10.58 | cryogen | it has maths and stuff |
| 09:11.16 | Grum | the question is - 'while casting' is that 'while being incombat' or 'while being actually casting' or 'while being inside of FSR' |
| 09:11.28 | cryogen | the lastter |
| 09:11.31 | cryogen | latter* |
| 09:11.52 | Grum | the normal regenrate is 10% while in FSR |
| 09:12.00 | RaydenUni | man, my friend is complaining about how much warlock fear has been nerfed |
| 09:12.11 | Grum | RaydenUni: tell him to stop stupid pvp |
| 09:12.20 | omega | your friend needs a dagger in his eye :p |
| 09:12.34 | cryogen | ah! think i may have found it |
| 09:12.51 | RaydenUni | thing is, he is demonology specced |
| 09:12.56 | RaydenUni | of course he is going to suck at pvp |
| 09:13.38 | Grum | if you read the buff description again |
| 09:13.52 | Grum | you will only benefit from Spirit Tap when you are actually IN FSR :) |
| 09:14.00 | RaydenUni | Gives you a 100% chance to gain a 100% bonus to your Spirit after killing a target that yields experience or honor. For the duration, your mana will regenerate at a 50% rate while casting. Lasts 15 sec. |
| 09:14.06 | RaydenUni | so it doubles your spirit for 15 seconds |
| 09:14.08 | cryogen | well no because it doubles your spirit outside |
| 09:14.21 | omega | the spirit is doubled weather you are casting or not |
| 09:14.24 | RaydenUni | AND seperate from that, you get half regen while casting |
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| 09:14.26 | CIA-14 | VisualHeal: |
| 09:14.26 | CIA-14 | - Extra checks to prevent potential errors. |
| 09:14.26 | CIA-14 | - Fixed SVN path in library header for HealComm-2.0. |
| 09:14.29 | RaydenUni | that says nothing about the 5 seconds |
| 09:14.35 | omega | its two different effects |
| 09:14.40 | RaydenUni | or is the 5 seconds after considered "in casting" ? |
| 09:14.46 | Pkekyo | you can't spell reflect when knockbacked, can you? |
| 09:14.50 | cryogen | RaydenUni: it is yes |
| 09:14.51 | Athou | fairly simple: while under spirit tap, if you're under the FSR you regen 50%, if not you regen 100% |
| 09:14.54 | omega | RaydenUni: the 5 secods is the FSR |
| 09:14.56 | Athou | still have double spirit tho |
| 09:15.04 | omega | Athou: exactly |
| 09:15.15 | cryogen | yay found it |
| 09:15.16 | cryogen | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=77578812 |
| 09:15.20 | Grum | so you go from 100->200% while not in FSR and from 10->50 while in FSR :) |
| 09:15.20 | omega | thats why I wonder why cryogen seems to think casting does not affect the mana regen |
| 09:15.30 | cryogen | go read that thread |
| 09:15.36 | omega | will do |
| 09:15.48 | Grum | humz i cant see it |
| 09:16.22 | CIA-14 | 03xbeeps * r46080 10HealComm-2.0/HealComm-2.0/HealComm-2.0.lua: |
| 09:16.22 | CIA-14 | HealComm-2.0: |
| 09:16.22 | CIA-14 | - Fixed SVN path in library header. |
| 09:16.28 | Grum | an finally :) |
| 09:16.41 | Pkekyo | how to get the id of an item while ingame? |
| 09:17.41 | Arrowmaster | from the itemlink |
| 09:18.34 | Pkekyo | and how do I do that? |
| 09:18.44 | Fisker- | 1+1 ) 1 |
| 09:18.55 | RaydenUni | cryogen the OP is talking about with meditation |
| 09:18.56 | Fisker- | s/1+1 ( 1/1+1 = 1/ |
| 09:19.03 | Fisker- | doh |
| 09:19.08 | *** part/#wowace wu-nix (n=wu@194.102.176.9) |
| 09:19.53 | RaydenUni | oh |
| 09:20.03 | omega | RaydenUni: read further down |
| 09:20.06 | omega | Toros post |
| 09:20.43 | Punkie` | Fisker-: you failed so bad you should be ashamed |
| 09:20.48 | cryogen | indeed |
| 09:20.59 | Fisker- | i didn't fail when it mattered |
| 09:21.01 | omega | I see the point now |
| 09:21.14 | RaydenUni | i see |
| 09:21.14 | cryogen | So, if in the absence of ST (i.e. you didn't spec it) you would wand a mob to death in order to maximize regen, then by all means, do it with ST specced. But is you wouldn't normally wand a mob down and are only doing so to "maximize the benefit from ST", save yourself the trouble, because it isn't helping. |
| 09:21.20 | cryogen | is a very good summary |
| 09:21.21 | Punkie` | you thought you killed me, I just cloaked and vanished /pat |
| 09:21.32 | RaydenUni | spirit tap adds a lump sum of regen, the same amount, inside or outside of FSR |
| 09:21.34 | [Ammo] | you don't have cloak liar |
| 09:21.37 | cryogen | RaydenUni: right |
| 09:21.45 | RaydenUni | the only regen that is affected by FSR is your normal regen |
| 09:21.49 | Punkie` | [Ammo]: you wish you had cloak of skill! |
| 09:21.51 | cryogen | right |
| 09:22.11 | RaydenUni | outside FSR: x normal regen + x ST regen |
| 09:22.18 | RaydenUni | inside FSR: 0 normal regen + x ST regen |
| 09:22.25 | cryogen | exactly |
| 09:22.29 | omega | then I agree :) |
| 09:22.39 | RaydenUni | gotta make little tables |
| 09:22.39 | omega | cryogen: you where right, a post in the thread explained it better than you :p |
| 09:22.43 | RaydenUni | heh |
| 09:22.47 | RaydenUni | yeah toros did well |
| 09:22.50 | cryogen | omega: hence why i scrambled to find it :D |
| 09:22.55 | omega | ':) |
| 09:23.33 | Jaxon | Anyone know if you can use multiple /cast <item> in a single macro and not have it error if you don't have one of the items? |
| 09:23.37 | cryogen | reading that thread was like a "ahhhhhh" moment of realisation |
| 09:23.43 | RaydenUni | so inside or out is equally efficient as far as ST is concerned |
| 09:23.45 | RaydenUni | yeah |
| 09:23.53 | omega | cryogen: yeah, same for me now |
| 09:23.54 | RaydenUni | well, its still a pain to cast SWD while i'm wanding |
| 09:24.09 | RaydenUni | cancel wanding... wait for it to cooldown, cast swd |
| 09:24.19 | RaydenUni | and my wand does a good % of SWD anyways |
| 09:24.20 | Mecdemort | sweet, local SVNs ftw |
| 09:24.26 | RaydenUni | so while soloing it's not really worth it i don't think |
| 09:24.27 | cryogen | well if you're wanding anyway you may as well continue to do so |
| 09:24.28 | RaydenUni | grouping definately |
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| 09:24.43 | RaydenUni | so i have some mod that tells me lots of info about spells |
| 09:24.46 | RaydenUni | drdamage i think |
| 09:24.54 | RaydenUni | one nifty thing is it has DPS and DPS (CD) |
| 09:25.03 | omega | Mecdemort: just use svk? :) |
| 09:25.06 | RaydenUni | i'm guessing that's dps counting cast time, and dps counting cast time and cooldown |
| 09:25.12 | Mecdemort | omega: svk? |
| 09:25.13 | RaydenUni | mind blast SUCKS if you count cooldown time |
| 09:25.43 | Fisker- | ya it only gives you a 5 or something |
| 09:25.45 | Fisker- | frost nova is 24/10 |
| 09:25.47 | mort|work | if just stand around and do nothing while the cooldown is active...yes |
| 09:25.52 | Fisker- | ΓΌber best spell |
| 09:25.53 | omega | Mecdemort: svn-client that gives you distributed svn, like git/bzr etc. Basicly it is a local svn, but lets you easily move things back upstream etc |
| 09:25.53 | RaydenUni | yah |
| 09:26.04 | RaydenUni | mind blast CPS (CD) was something like 50 or 100 |
| 09:26.08 | RaydenUni | *dps |
| 09:26.16 | RaydenUni | casting dps is about 800 |
| 09:26.23 | Mecdemort | omega: I'm having a hard enough time with the one SVN client i have ;p but it let me create a local svn so its all good |
| 09:26.33 | omega | :) |
| 09:26.51 | Fisker- | Half of the server population will commit suicide the day mind blast has no cooldown |
| 09:26.52 | Fisker- | :P |
| 09:27.17 | RaydenUni | cryogen greatest argument: it's like arguing that drinking poitons (or water) gives more mana outside FSR |
| 09:27.19 | Mecdemort | WTB nerf of all CC to break on damage. |
| 09:27.59 | RaydenUni | also, using SWD to kill a mob after wanding it for a while breaks FSR needlessly |
| 09:28.03 | RaydenUni | regardless of ST |
| 09:29.03 | RaydenUni | i really need to go to sleep |
| 09:29.08 | RaydenUni | stupid interesting irc discussions |
| 09:29.13 | cryogen | hehe |
| 09:29.28 | cryogen | RaydenUni: yes thats the point, if you were wanding anyway then i wouldnt start SWDing for the hell of it :) |
| 09:29.38 | yacoob | *casts sleep on RaydenUni* |
| 09:29.41 | cryogen | but you may get to a point where you find wanding to be slow and unnecceary |
| 09:29.58 | cryogen | at which point you might ask yourself "but if i wand i regenerate more mana?" now you can say "dont be silly, pewpew!" |
| 09:30.10 | RaydenUni | mobs aren't low enough on health to be killed with SWD by the time i'm done mind flaying |
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| 09:30.22 | mort|work | get more spelldamage ;) |
| 09:30.26 | RaydenUni | 409 righ tnow |
| 09:30.35 | mort|work | get much more spelldamage |
| 09:30.39 | cryogen | i basically levelled from 65->70 with shield, VT, SWP, mind blast, mind flay mind flay, mod dead |
| 09:30.39 | RaydenUni | lvl 69 though |
| 09:30.42 | RaydenUni | i'm working on it |
| 09:30.48 | RaydenUni | shield :( |
| 09:30.49 | cryogen | mob* |
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| 09:31.07 | cryogen | shield pays for itself in never having to heal or eat |
| 09:31.12 | RaydenUni | what slow mobs are you fighting that let you get mind blast and then 2 mind flays? |
| 09:31.15 | cryogen | or cast VE |
| 09:31.16 | Mecdemort | i couldnt even stand shadow, i leveled my priest holy smite |
| 09:31.21 | RaydenUni | but VE gives the same results and costs 25 mana |
| 09:31.32 | cryogen | RaydenUni: but mobs hitting you stops you casting |
| 09:31.38 | cryogen | with shield up i can mind flay twice easily |
| 09:31.40 | RaydenUni | oh right shield lets you cast mind flay |
| 09:31.43 | cryogen | three times if necessary |
| 09:32.05 | RaydenUni | i can kill probably 40 mobs without having to drink if i do'nt use shield |
| 09:32.16 | RaydenUni | and i am not crazy about using every second of spirit tap |
| 09:32.19 | mitch0 | GAH! |
| 09:32.23 | cryogen | in what sort of time tho :) |
| 09:32.25 | RaydenUni | if i let ST go its full course every time i never run out |
| 09:32.33 | mitch0 | how can I open search results in new tabs from the wow forums? |
| 09:32.37 | RaydenUni | one after another |
| 09:32.50 | cryogen | i prefer speed than endurance |
| 09:32.56 | cryogen | just the way i play, nothing good or bad about it |
| 09:33.01 | RaydenUni | if i'm dying a lot i might use shield when i get to half health and then just use mind flay a few times to regen to full |
| 09:33.13 | RaydenUni | i don't feel i need shield every battle |
| 09:33.40 | RaydenUni | and i run out of mana before health anyways |
| 09:33.49 | RaydenUni | i'm really going to bed now |
| 09:33.51 | RaydenUni | :P |
| 09:33.54 | cryogen | :) |
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| 09:41.39 | CIA-14 | 03roartindon * r46081 10Assessment/Modules/Gain.lua: |
| 09:41.39 | CIA-14 | Assessment |
| 09:41.39 | CIA-14 | - Changed storage of gain details. Added drain event type |
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| 09:48.04 | mitch0 | seriously, anyone using the forum search thing with tabbed browsing? it fscking drives me nuts |
| 09:49.40 | CIA-14 | 03diablohu * r46082 10AtlasLoot/TableRegister/loottables.cn.lua: |
| 09:49.40 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 09:49.40 | CIA-14 | - zhCN update |
| 09:51.52 | Bejitt | i just recently 'noticed' Waterfall, and it made me think of OSX Finder's column view... has anyone done anything closer to that for configs? |
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| 09:52.22 | Jaxon | My realm is being restarted to address gameplay issues. What are they hotfixing? |
| 09:53.01 | Bejitt | instead of a tree on the left column and options on right, have each tree level be a new column |
| 09:54.55 | Hjalte | I'm using WAU2 but it doesnt seem to be working, does WAU1 work at the moment? |
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| 09:58.16 | Grum | Hjalte: worked fine last evening for me :) |
| 09:58.51 | CIA-14 | 03roartindon * r46083 10TagCompiler-1.0/TagCompiler-1.0/TagCompiler-1.0.lua: |
| 09:58.51 | CIA-14 | TagCompiler-1.0 |
| 09:58.51 | CIA-14 | - Fixed typo in Brace tag |
| 10:00.21 | CIA-14 | 03roartindon * r46084 10Assessment/Modules/ (Damage.lua Threat.lua): |
| 10:00.21 | CIA-14 | Assessment |
| 10:00.21 | CIA-14 | - Fixed some tag casings |
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| 10:03.23 | Wobin_ | !c us argent dawn lleandryn |
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| 10:03.27 | ThraeBot | Wobin_: Lleandryn, Level 70 Night Elf Hunter (0/22/39). 9821 HP; 6883 Mana; 97 mana regen; 6 mp5; 6625 Armour; 1562 AP; 204.9 Melee DPS; 29.6% melee crit; 55 melee hit; 1646 RAP; 273.7 Ranged DPS; 34.6% ranged crit; 55 ranged hit; 26.07% dodge; 79 resilience; +33 all resists (+10 nature); [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ynvfu2 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3xdy4h ]] |
| 10:03.52 | Grum | Wobin_: how much agi? :) |
| 10:03.58 | Wogroipl | is anyone here enchanter? |
| 10:04.07 | Grum | ask your question Wogroipl |
| 10:04.34 | Wogroipl | how much would you charge people if they bring their own mats for an enchant? |
| 10:04.52 | Hjalte | Wogroipl, 5-10g i would say |
| 10:05.00 | Wogroipl | yeah a;right |
| 10:05.13 | Wogroipl | ppl keep saying to me I should charge more :P |
| 10:05.46 | Wogroipl | usually I just leave it up to the other guy and tell him a tip would be nice |
| 10:05.48 | Grum | now i wonder why you asked 'if there was an enchanter here' - just ask your question straight away! there is 236 people in this channel - most of em playing wow .. how likely is it that there is no enchanter? ;) |
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| 10:06.03 | Wogroipl | hehe you're right ;) |
| 10:08.10 | CIA-14 | 03roartindon * r46085 10Assessment/Modules/BarInterface.lua: |
| 10:08.10 | CIA-14 | Assessment |
| 10:08.10 | CIA-14 | - Fixed bar segments to be created as invisible... |
| 10:09.07 | ccKep | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=metaquestion |
| 10:09.08 | ccKep | ^.^ |
| 10:09.22 | Grum | ;) |
| 10:09.57 | Mecdemort | return will only return out of the local function right? |
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| 10:10.14 | Grum | it will return from the function you call it in :) |
| 10:10.15 | ccKep | it will exit wow :O |
| 10:10.57 | CIA-14 | 03roartindon * r46086 10Assessment/Modules/Gain.lua: |
| 10:10.57 | CIA-14 | Assessment |
| 10:10.57 | CIA-14 | - Gains now marked as favorite so it's obvious to anyone looking for it |
| 10:11.05 | cncfanatics | gooood morning :) |
| 10:11.06 | Wobin_ | Grum: 841 buffed |
| 10:11.57 | Grum | not bad :) |
| 10:12.39 | Wobin_ | Not me =) |
| 10:12.56 | ccKep | armory not working firefox, i _HATE_ it |
| 10:13.04 | Grum | it is actually only working on firefox here |
| 10:13.13 | Mecdemort | its laggy, but works |
| 10:13.14 | Grum | you got 1.5x or 2.x? |
| 10:13.23 | ccKep | 2.0.0.6 |
| 10:13.31 | ccKep | doesn't show any text here (for example) |
| 10:13.33 | Grum | works like a slow charm here |
| 10:13.36 | Fisker- | i lol'd |
| 10:13.40 | Grum | occassionally it fecks up |
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| 10:13.51 | Grum | but really .. they abuse ajax SOOOOOOOOOO badly it makes you crrrrrrrrry |
| 10:13.58 | Fisker- | I recently bought TBC in the hope that it would allow me to play my level 70 premade characer on the PTR, but it tells me that the character is locked andI need 2 contact billing does anybody have any ideas? |
| 10:13.59 | Fisker- | :DDD |
| 10:14.09 | ccKep | for example, if I surf to a character page in firefox, I just land on the search page |
| 10:14.18 | ccKep | if I use that same url in iexplore (lolz....) it works |
| 10:14.33 | Grum | ccKep: using of ajax and masses of javascript sucks |
| 10:15.09 | Mecdemort | ccKep: make sure you dont have something like scripts or java turned off in firefox |
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| 10:16.12 | ccKep | I'm not retarded, thanks ;) |
| 10:16.58 | Arrowmaster | armory also abuses flash |
| 10:17.04 | Arrowmaster | make sure you have that |
| 10:18.22 | ccKep | about:plugins saying |
| 10:18.23 | ccKep | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.23 | ccKep | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.28 | Arrowmaster | i use seamonkey and the itemtooltips dont work unless i change my useragent to firefox, but when it set to firefox the pages wont load i just get a white screen |
| 10:18.29 | ccKep | (yaya, german firefox) |
| 10:19.31 | Arrowmaster | so its a lot of fun to load an armory page then switch useragent before mousing over anything, then switching useragent back before going to a different page, and so on |
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| 10:20.11 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster, firefox works fine with me on armory |
| 10:20.32 | Arrowmaster | im not using firefox though |
| 10:20.33 | Fisker- | nah Arrowmaster |
| 10:20.35 | Fisker- | you don't need flash |
| 10:20.45 | Fisker- | just abuse blizzard stupidity |
| 10:20.46 | Fisker- | :( |
| 10:21.20 | Arrowmaster | using seamonkey, which they havent added to their list of browsers to make the ajax item tooltips work on |
| 10:21.20 | Punkie` | someone made an armory lite edition but I can't find it anymore |
| 10:21.48 | MoonWolf | the armory, the best example of bad use of ajax and xml in pages ever created. |
| 10:22.04 | vhaarr | and they use UA sniffing, eww |
| 10:22.13 | |Pixel| | I'd rather say "wicked" :P |
| 10:22.14 | vhaarr | I had no idea they were that stupid |
| 10:22.25 | MoonWolf | vhaarr, sometimes thats the only way to get your page to render properly |
| 10:22.49 | MoonWolf | change the code based on browser |
| 10:23.02 | vhaarr | you don't change your code based on the browser |
| 10:23.16 | vhaarr | you change it based on whether some properties or features are available |
| 10:23.35 | Arrowmaster | i think its mostly the serverside UA sniffing to send different pages to different browser combined with too much javascript, i dont think they really overused ajax that much but i dont really see the point of using ajax for the tooltips |
| 10:23.54 | cncfanatics | can someone fix trac ? its down :( |
| 10:24.00 | MoonWolf | Arrowmaster, look at the render time fo the page, compared to the speed of the api |
| 10:24.01 | [Ammo] | Arrowmaster: cut down on traffic |
| 10:24.07 | MoonWolf | thats ajax getting in the way |
| 10:24.54 | Arrowmaster | i dont like how with the ajax tooltips though if you move your mouse over a few items quickly youll get the wrong tooltip |
| 10:25.11 | omega | This page has 33 external javascript files. This page has 10 external stylesheets. this page has 217 CSS background iamges |
| 10:25.14 | omega | no wonder its slow |
| 10:25.21 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 10:25.27 | Srosh | :o |
| 10:25.28 | cncfanatics | blizzard rocks dont they |
| 10:25.41 | omega | and none of them have expires headers |
| 10:25.46 | MoonWolf | brilliant api, slow and buggy page. |
| 10:25.47 | omega | so basicly not really cached much |
| 10:26.03 | omega | no gziping |
| 10:27.15 | Fisker- | PO |
| 10:27.20 | Fisker- | crap |
| 10:27.44 | cncfanatics | someone fix trac !!! |
| 10:28.27 | vhaarr | cncfanatics: It's down for good. |
| 10:29.40 | MoonWolf | nobody liked trac anyway |
| 10:30.09 | Fisker- | vhaarr ! |
| 10:30.14 | Fisker- | you know about dash? |
| 10:30.16 | cncfanatics | vhaarr, meh I used it often |
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| 10:30.28 | cncfanatics | whats the svn way to get old versions of files then ? |
| 10:30.45 | cncfanatics | I need to retrieve some old files :p |
| 10:31.03 | [Ammo] | svn up -r<revision> |
| 10:31.09 | [Ammo] | or svn co -r<revision> |
| 10:31.19 | vhaarr | Fisker-: the shell? |
| 10:31.25 | vhaarr | Fisker-: or the druid skill? |
| 10:31.45 | Fisker- | neither |
| 10:31.48 | Fisker- | It's an addon |
| 10:31.51 | vhaarr | then no |
| 10:32.04 | [Ammo] | well you know it's an addon now :) |
| 10:32.27 | Fisker- | Well it takes a frame and it hides them (alpha) until you move over a hotspot and it shows the frames again |
| 10:32.36 | Fisker- | But your frame is listed as "Table: <some number>" |
| 10:32.39 | Fisker- | in violation |
| 10:32.58 | Fisker- | And if i try to get the details from the frame it just says something{anon} |
| 10:33.02 | vhaarr | Fisker-: ammo did that window stuff |
| 10:33.13 | Fisker- | then it was YOU all along |
| 10:33.18 | [Ammo] | fuck you |
| 10:33.20 | Fisker- | any idea about it [Ammo] ? |
| 10:33.35 | [Ammo] | I just searched for the addon on wowinterface |
| 10:33.41 | [Ammo] | and the answer to your question is in the description |
| 10:33.43 | [Ammo] | now shoo |
| 10:33.45 | [Ammo] | begone troll |
| 10:33.47 | Fisker- | :O |
| 10:33.54 | Fisker- | i'm no troll! |
| 10:34.05 | Fisker- | at best i'm an orc or a tauren |
| 10:34.22 | Fisker- | besides, 1337 people use svn :( |
| 10:34.51 | vhaarr | cncfanatics: no wonder trac died all the time if you used it for stuff like that, heh |
| 10:35.03 | Fisker- | thanks anyways [Ammo] |
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| 10:35.49 | vhaarr | cncfanatics: svn update --hlep |
| 10:35.50 | vhaarr | help* |
| 10:36.06 | Fisker- | --halp |
| 10:36.12 | vhaarr | --lolhlep |
| 10:36.15 | [Ammo] | hepl |
| 10:36.52 | CIA-14 | 03jncl * r46087 10Skinner/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 10:36.52 | CIA-14 | Skinner: Skinned Waterfall, |
| 10:36.52 | CIA-14 | - Updated Dewdrop skin |
| 10:36.53 | Ominous | cncfanatics: got stances in fb yet> |
| 10:37.03 | Fisker- | i'd wager that someone already made some program to add --halp and etc. :P |
| 10:39.11 | CIA-14 | 03nargiddley * r46088 10Baggins/Baggins.lua: |
| 10:39.11 | CIA-14 | Baggins: New bag edit is enabled by default, this is still beta |
| 10:39.11 | CIA-14 | - Added ability to copy individual bag configs to new bag editor, either from a current bag or from one in another profile |
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| 10:43.54 | Arrowmaster | checking out dash now, and it serves as a perfect example of why i dislike dongle, people commit it to their own svns with their addons and leave svn:keyword $Revision$ enabled on the dongle file |
| 10:44.14 | Arrowmaster | not really a dislike of the framework but of how people are using it |
| 10:45.42 | Fisker- | what the problem in that? |
| 10:45.52 | Fisker- | that older dongle's get replaced by newer? |
| 10:46.00 | Grum | centralized > * |
| 10:46.57 | Arrowmaster | problem is that dongle uses major/minor version numbers for its upgrading of itself, and it uses svn keyword for minor version |
| 10:47.28 | Arrowmaster | if people upload it to other svn's with svn:keyword Revision set then it changes the minor version |
| 10:47.32 | Grum | i wonder why someone would use 'le dong' |
| 10:48.27 | Arrowmaster | like somebody put nsidebar or something on the wowace svn with the donglestub included so it bumped the minor version up to the 40000+ area |
| 10:49.00 | CIA-14 | 03jncl * r46089 10Baddiel/ (Baddiel.lua Baddiel.toc embeds.xml): Baddiel: changed to use embeds.xml and added two new functions |
| 10:49.07 | Fisker- | that's what i figured :P |
| 10:49.12 | Arrowmaster | if nobody ever updates that but you use it, youll always use whatever version of donglestub that really was and never a truely newer one |
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| 10:50.48 | CIA-14 | 03roartindon * r46090 10Assessment/Modules/BarInterface.lua: |
| 10:50.48 | CIA-14 | Assessment |
| 10:50.48 | CIA-14 | - Segment textures are now created on demand, rather than a preallocated pool (which was mostly unused) |
| 10:52.02 | Arrowmaster | oh wait maybe im wrong, dongle.lua in dash as the same revision number as one of the tags |
| 10:54.15 | Arrowmaster | heh revision numbers on the tags look messed up actually |
| 10:54.50 | Wobin_ | Arrowmaster: I think perhaps that holds true for the dongle svn |
| 10:55.05 | Wobin_ | but the keywords attribute aren't set on the individual addon svns |
| 10:55.37 | [Ammo] | Wobin_: not unless someone recursively sets em |
| 10:55.40 | [Ammo] | that's when things go boom |
| 10:55.42 | [Ammo] | but shrug |
| 10:55.56 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know for a fact ive seen a bunch of svns with dongle on them that i can tell its the local svns revision number and not the one from the dongle svn |
| 10:56.16 | Wobin_ | Mention it in #dongle? |
| 10:57.03 | Fisker- | why not start a massive flamewar? |
| 10:57.05 | Arrowmaster | its on a lot of svns |
| 10:58.42 | Wobin_ | Wouldn't any copy that isn't part of the dongle SVN directly not have the $Rev$ in the file? |
| 10:58.48 | Wobin_ | unless it was a working copy I guess |
| 10:59.16 | Wobin_ | but then it wouldn't be pointing to the author svn |
| 10:59.57 | CIA-14 | 03celellach * r46091 10AtlasLoot_OldInstances/original.en.lua: |
| 10:59.58 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot_OldInstances: |
| 10:59.58 | CIA-14 | - loot update |
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| 11:00.42 | Undine | sooo, writing my first mod :) |
| 11:00.54 | Arrowmaster | Wobin_: checkout http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/nSideBar/DongleStub.lua |
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| 11:01.34 | Wobin_ | okay, yeah |
| 11:01.42 | Wobin_ | But why would you set the rev keyword on the dongle file? |
| 11:01.59 | Arrowmaster | because people probably have it in their autoprops |
| 11:02.25 | Wobin_ | hm, definitely something to say on #dongle then =) |
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| 11:03.05 | Arrowmaster | and isnt nSideBar from auctioneer? |
| 11:04.10 | Arrowmaster | if it is then it has no reason for being on wowace svn |
| 11:06.30 | CIA-14 | 03celellach * r46092 10AtlasLoot_OldInstances/original.en.lua: |
| 11:06.30 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot_OldInstances: |
| 11:06.30 | CIA-14 | - fix 3 item descriptions |
| 11:11.40 | Kain | is there a mod from Ace that will random assign drops on master looter such as greens? An old raid leader used to have one and he was an Ace fanatic so I thought that you guys might have written it. |
| 11:13.07 | Arrowmaster | Kain: XMasterLoot i think |
| 11:13.22 | Arrowmaster | should be one of the X*Loot addons |
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| 11:14.25 | V^ | So Violation_EffectiveHealing gives me an error everytime I heal |
| 11:14.28 | V^ | Sup wiv dat! |
| 11:14.50 | Kain | Awesome - I'll give that a look. |
| 11:15.42 | Arrowmaster | V^: whats the error? |
| 11:15.58 | Undine | the xloot thing does that but i found it cumbersome |
| 11:17.01 | Srosh | ~madness |
| 11:17.02 | purl | Madness? THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:17.14 | V^ | Something about GetVictim.. |
| 11:17.48 | Kain | Hmm... How hard is it to write something that would do that task for you? Just a lightweight mod? I have written most languages from ASM to PHP in the last 15 years or so but have never written anything designed around modifying a game's interface. |
| 11:18.19 | Kain | Is it possible to just add another menu item to the master loot drop down that would say random assign? |
| 11:18.27 | Undine | there is one. i think it is something like gbloothelper |
| 11:18.57 | V^ | Arrowmaster - Attempt to call method 'GetSourceVictimAmount' (a nil value) |
| 11:18.58 | Undine | xloot does it via a menu option, i got the impression (not used it) that gbloothelper was automatic somehow |
| 11:19.10 | V^ | Latest version of violation and violation_eh |
| 11:19.19 | Undine | also, gbloothelper rotates, whereas xloot is random each time |
| 11:19.53 | Pkekyo | The Dash 'hotspot' becomes available while in combat? |
| 11:20.04 | Arrowmaster | i think xloot has a none random feature too |
| 11:20.09 | Arrowmaster | non |
| 11:20.39 | Kain | hmm.. if I get the XLoot onw WowAceUpdater does that include all of the XLootGroup, XLootMaster, etc |
| 11:20.46 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 11:21.01 | Punkie` | Kain: get XLoot and XLootMaster |
| 11:21.20 | Kain | k, I will give that a shot tonight |
| 11:21.21 | Kain | Thanks! |
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| 11:24.02 | Arrowmaster | V^: just checked the code and it makes no sense to me why that would give that error |
| 11:24.40 | Arrowmaster | and its almost 7:30am so im going to bed |
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| 11:24.53 | nevcairiel | thats time to get up |
| 11:24.56 | nevcairiel | not get in bed |
| 11:24.57 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 11:25.31 | Arrowmaster | i sleep during the day |
| 11:25.45 | nevcairiel | you should move to AU then |
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| 11:26.43 | Arrowmaster | but when im sleeping most people are at work so it not like theres much to do |
| 11:26.49 | nevcairiel | heh |
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| 11:32.56 | CIA-14 | Aloft: |
| 11:32.56 | CIA-14 | remove Localization-zhCN.lua line in toc |
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| 11:38.03 | CIA-14 | ArenaMaster: |
| 11:38.03 | CIA-14 | - use embeds.xml |
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| 11:45.53 | Pkekyo | The Dash 'hotspot' becomes available while in combat? |
| 11:46.01 | Pkekyo | unavailable* |
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| 11:51.25 | Ky|Away | Dash |
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| 11:51.49 | Ky|Away | I should keep working on that, heh |
| 11:54.56 | Undine | when using /dump what is a "Timeout table" ? |
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| 11:59.32 | Wobin_ | !c us argent dawn aladoren |
| 11:59.33 | ThraeBot | Wobin_: aladoren is not the character you are looking for! |
| 11:59.41 | Wobin_ | !c us argent dawn alardoren |
| 11:59.44 | ThraeBot | Wobin_: Alardoren, Level 70 Night Elf Hunter (5/56/0). 7668 HP; 6733 Mana; 104 mana regen; 25 mp5; 4742 Armour; 1366 AP; 177.6 Melee DPS; 12.57% melee crit; 94 melee hit; 1565 RAP; 276.9 Ranged DPS; 17.57% ranged crit; 94 ranged hit; 11.59% dodge; 11 resilience; [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/22kyhs ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3cyjpa ]] |
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| 12:16.34 | mitch0 | dumdidum |
| 12:17.08 | clad|sleep | Arrowmaster: I'd like if you could expand on why you "dislike dongle" for using the exact same process that AceLibrary uses, if you wouldn't mind. If someone's doing something wrong, then that's their fault and it needs to be fixed. Its not the fault of the process being used. |
| 12:17.12 | Roartindon | ckknight: ping |
| 12:18.02 | Hjalte | Dpes stunning an enemy do more threat? |
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| 12:18.35 | grom358 | does ClosetGnome have events? eg. equip spirit weapons for evocation? |
| 12:18.56 | grom358 | I using wardrobe atm. but it doesn't have this |
| 12:18.58 | mitch0 | clad: as far as I understood his problem was that dongle users put dongle on their own SVN and thus dongle was around with semi-random revision numbers as embedded stuff |
| 12:19.00 | kenlyric | it has some events. |
| 12:19.09 | kenlyric | you need closetgnome_switcher for most. |
| 12:19.18 | mitch0 | dongle users == developers using dongle |
| 12:19.22 | kenlyric | mount has it sown plugin. |
| 12:20.11 | cladhaire | mitch0: Yes, and the problem is the developers using files from trunk, instead of the tagged versions they should be using. I've notified the nSideBar people, but if you have any other examples of them being used incorrectly, I'd love to hear them. |
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| 12:21.09 | grom358 | so closetgnome better then wardrobe? |
| 12:21.29 | cladhaire | I prefer outfitter.. I like being able to build suits based on stats to start my work for me :P |
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| 12:21.51 | kenlyric | outfitter works again? |
| 12:21.58 | kenlyric | hmmmmm. I do miss that ability. |
| 12:22.08 | cladhaire | I've never had a problem with outfitter, yeah |
| 12:22.16 | kenlyric | it broke after 2.0 |
| 12:22.22 | kenlyric | i just never went back :) |
| 12:22.55 | cladhaire | Oh, its fixed :P |
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| 12:23.45 | N3cr0m4ncer | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/7446/ <--Outfitter updated ;) |
| 12:24.36 | cladhaire | this versions works as well http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5467-Outfitter.html |
| 12:25.34 | CIA-14 | 03roartindon * r46096 10Assessment/Modules/Gain.lua: |
| 12:25.34 | CIA-14 | Assessment |
| 12:25.34 | CIA-14 | - Gains module now processes Leeches |
| 12:26.21 | mitch0 | clad: I don't have any dongle using addons afaik, just tried to explain what I gathered from arrow's comment :) |
| 12:26.32 | cladhaire | yeah thanks |
| 12:26.49 | cladhaire | he just seemed to be striking against the major/minor rev system, which is the exact same system that AceLibrary uses |
| 12:26.52 | cladhaire | hence my confusion :P |
| 12:27.05 | grom358 | getting Could not find library instance of SpecialEvents-Mount-2.0 |
| 12:27.19 | grom358 | from closetgnome. any ideas? |
| 12:27.32 | N3cr0m4ncer | Yeah, install SpecialEvents |
| 12:27.44 | mitch0 | clad: still not sure how your comment solves the issue if they import dongle into their own svn with $Rev$ expanded |
| 12:27.59 | mitch0 | clad: I mean, svn:keywords = Rev enabled in their repo |
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| 12:29.07 | mitch0 | actually, nevermind that. I have no probs with dongle, don't want to argue about it as it's kinda pointless from my POV :) |
| 12:29.07 | Ominous | he probabilly means that in tags it is a number not a keyword? |
| 12:29.22 | cladhaire | local minor = tonumber(string.match("$Revision: 313 $", "(%d+)") or 1) |
| 12:29.30 | cladhaire | that's how it shoudl look ANYWHERE other than Dongle trunk |
| 12:29.42 | cladhaire | which wont' cause any svn issues, since its expanded |
| 12:30.29 | mitch0 | but if you import that stuff (not as external) and commit it with keywords set, your local svn will re-expand it |
| 12:30.34 | mitch0 | guess that's what he stumbled upon. but again: I don't know the issure really ;) |
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| 12:30.43 | cladhaire | keywords should be set manually, not automatically |
| 12:30.47 | cladhaire | but yes, that's correct |
| 12:30.59 | cladhaire | there's a reason you have to force-set it :P |
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| 12:31.29 | cladhaire | that's the price we pay for not using externals, and having a stable release process and its not perfect, I agree. |
| 12:31.56 | mitch0 | erm, why don't you use externals AND keep the stable release process? |
| 12:32.30 | cladhaire | its been unnecessary up until this point |
| 12:33.08 | mitch0 | well, it should've been obvious from the start that committing stuff to each and every repo is kinda pointless |
| 12:33.30 | mitch0 | it's added bonus that it causes extra headaches now |
| 12:33.49 | cladhaire | why should that be obvious? It has worked well for us each and every single time |
| 12:34.05 | cladhaire | you may not agree with it, but knowing exactly which versino of a library you're developing against is a good thing |
| 12:34.14 | mitch0 | erm, unnecessary duplication is, well, unecessary in most cases :) |
| 12:34.19 | cladhaire | as opposed to ace's externals, where shit just breaks because someone decided to make a sloppy commit to the libraries. |
| 12:34.25 | cladhaire | its not duplicatino for the sake of duplication |
| 12:34.47 | cladhaire | its because svn's externals are brokenly slow, and to know exactly what version of a file you're operating against |
| 12:34.49 | mitch0 | it's just duplication anyway, which can be avoided with svn:externals |
| 12:34.57 | mitch0 | point it to the stable tag, and you're set |
| 12:35.12 | cladhaire | yes, but they're extremely slow, and devs are welcome to do that |
| 12:35.14 | cladhaire | I happen not to |
| 12:35.14 | mitch0 | change that only when the new stable tag is out and you tested it against it |
| 12:35.27 | cladhaire | nothing's stopping people from doing this :P |
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| 12:35.31 | CIA-14 | 03roartindon * r46097 10Assessment/Modules/Gain.lua: |
| 12:35.31 | CIA-14 | Assessment |
| 12:35.31 | CIA-14 | - Unified code paths for Gains, Drains and Leeches |
| 12:35.37 | cladhaire | good points tho, thanks. |
| 12:35.47 | mitch0 | clad: nothing to stop ppl from doing this in the wowace repo either :) |
| 12:35.56 | mitch0 | it still doesn't happen, which is a shame |
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| 12:36.23 | mitch0 | so, in theory both projects are equally "cool" and in practice both are b0rked in one way or the other :) |
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| 12:37.10 | mitch0 | but taking up proper release management is not a happy task. getting all the devs follow proper procedures is almost impossible |
| 12:37.26 | cladhaire | aye, I'm working on changes for 2.0.. time permitting |
| 12:37.27 | mitch0 | especially given the weird ego problems of most of the folks here :) |
| 12:37.30 | cladhaire | we know how that goes :P |
| 12:37.45 | kenlyric | ego is the reason we have so much duplication :) |
| 12:38.08 | cladhaire | i dont get ego when it comes to this stuff *boggle* |
| 12:38.10 | mitch0 | kenlyric: nah, that's just ckk :P |
| 12:38.13 | kenlyric | much of that duplication for the better. |
| 12:38.20 | kenlyric | no, it's not just ck. |
| 12:38.26 | mitch0 | just kidding |
| 12:38.33 | kenlyric | but mostly him :) |
| 12:38.36 | mitch0 | although he's the biggest NIH fan here |
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| 12:38.46 | kenlyric | ego is the reason we have Threat :) |
| 12:39.04 | mitch0 | but at least he lets ppl fix his code from time to time, which is not quite true for all of us... |
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| 12:39.21 | Wraanger | question : in Pitbull's name tags, how to make it so if targettarget is me, it will display YOU instead of just my name ? |
| 12:39.40 | kenlyric | we had the best comment in wikipedia last week. "I didn't submit my information just so anyone could change it." |
| 12:39.50 | mitch0 | nah, threat was not born of ego, the first thing tried was to convince ktm dev to do it right, that failed and only then came threat-1.0 |
| 12:40.05 | Fisker- | around Punkie` nevar relax |
| 12:40.09 | kenlyric | No, I mean kenco's ego. |
| 12:40.15 | mitch0 | oh that |
| 12:40.19 | mitch0 | yeah, that true |
| 12:40.47 | mitch0 | but in that case s/ego/stupidity|stubbornness/ |
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| 12:40.56 | mitch0 | if that's a word :) |
| 12:41.15 | mitch0 | but really, sometimes you just have to rewrite stuff from scratch |
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| 12:41.27 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 12:41.27 | CIA-14 | - Removed duplicate entry |
| 12:41.28 | mitch0 | some of the addons out there are so horrible, you won't beleive they run at all |
| 12:42.12 | kenlyric | I still wish there was a way to have a library which stores info about players. |
| 12:42.20 | Galka | mitch0, NIH? |
| 12:42.26 | kenlyric | redundant data is redundant! |
| 12:42.28 | mitch0 | Not Invented Here |
| 12:43.27 | Chompers | around Fisker- never show your butt cheeks |
| 12:43.36 | mitch0 | galka: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Invented_Here |
| 12:43.53 | Fisker- | nice Chompers |
| 12:44.17 | Neebler | sylvanaar are you there? |
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| 12:44.38 | CIA-14 | Assessment |
| 12:44.38 | CIA-14 | - Small rearrangement of code |
| 12:44.53 | grom358 | with closetgnome how do u set a mount set? |
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| 12:46.17 | Neebler | you need a seperate addon called closetgnome_mount |
| 12:46.24 | Chompers | make a new set called 'Mount' in this set you have your riding crop equipped, everything else is red |
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| 12:48.40 | V^ | How do I find out a mods dependancies |
| 12:48.47 | V^ | I want to enable just Postal on my alt |
| 12:48.50 | V^ | But I dunno what else to enabl |
| 12:48.50 | V^ | e |
| 12:49.04 | Neebler | thats all you need |
| 12:49.12 | mitch0 | clad: btw, I don't really understand your comment about svn:externals being too slow. especially if you use fixed release tags, you shouldn't need to update them at all (except at checkout, once) |
| 12:49.13 | Neebler | read the .toc to find out dependencies |
| 12:49.16 | V^ | Ok |
| 12:49.37 | mitch0 | and hope all the dependencies are actually listed... |
| 12:49.40 | kenlyric | if you're using standalone libs, you should be able to enable them for every alt. |
| 12:49.41 | cladhaire | mitch0: They update on svn update unless you specifically omit externals |
| 12:49.58 | mitch0 | clad: you should specifically omit externals then :) |
| 12:50.02 | kenlyric | don't libs only load if an addon calls them? |
| 12:50.05 | cladhaire | meh |
| 12:50.16 | mitch0 | in face, I'm almost sure you can set that as the default behaviour via some ENV var or config file |
| 12:50.20 | mitch0 | s/face/fact/ |
| 12:50.48 | mitch0 | would've been nice from the svn devs if that switch had a short form though :) |
| 12:51.23 | mitch0 | typing out --ignore-externals all the time is a lot of work |
| 12:51.39 | cladhaire | would be nice if they fixed it |
| 12:51.42 | cladhaire | instead of leaving it broken like it is |
| 12:52.07 | mitch0 | uh. you lost me there |
| 12:52.17 | mitch0 | who should fix what? |
| 12:52.20 | cladhaire | svn externals are a broken half-assed implementation. |
| 12:52.24 | cladhaire | that's fact :P |
| 12:52.32 | mitch0 | oh that |
| 12:52.34 | cladhaire | and beyond that, the implementation is bad |
| 12:52.44 | mitch0 | well, it's the "easy-way-to-do-cvs-modules" |
| 12:53.00 | mitch0 | for that, it's kinda ok |
| 12:53.02 | nevcairiel | there are plans to "fix" the svn |
| 12:53.03 | nevcairiel | kinda |
| 12:53.06 | cladhaire | heh, yep |
| 12:53.09 | mitch0 | cvs modules weren't that much better either |
| 12:53.15 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: we'ren not discussing _the_ svn. |
| 12:53.17 | cladhaire | we're discussing svn |
| 12:53.36 | nevcairiel | ah i see, i missed half the discussion, nvm me then :D |
| 12:53.41 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 12:54.11 | mitch0 | nev: feel free to join though. I always do this :) throw in some random semi-related smart-ish remarks :) works for me all the time |
| 12:54.18 | cladhaire | lol |
| 12:55.17 | mitch0 | or if you feel a bit down, start bitching someone at random based on some random reply of theirs placed in some utterly different context |
| 12:55.26 | mitch0 | that also works |
| 12:55.31 | Undine | yay, done the easy bits of my first mod. now for the tricky bit |
| 12:55.53 | Roartindon | Undine: Debugging it? :) |
| 12:56.07 | kenlyric | getting it to do more than Hello World!? |
| 12:56.14 | mitch0 | 10% of the addon coding is the hard/fun part, the last 90% is the boring "fluff" |
| 12:56.25 | Undine | it currently builds up a db of all the items in bags/bank |
| 12:56.49 | Undine | plenty of mods that do this already. my next bit is a simple '/find wibble' command |
| 12:57.15 | mitch0 | doesn't sanity do that already? |
| 12:57.23 | kenlyric | couldn't you just have written a mod that does the /find part? |
| 12:57.33 | kenlyric | sanityinventory is a lib that already does that. |
| 12:57.39 | kenlyric | errr, does the first part. |
| 12:57.53 | Undine | yes, the first part, but not the second |
| 12:58.04 | Undine | it'll add info to a tooltip or let you search from the gui |
| 12:58.23 | kenlyric | my point is, why rewrite the first part? |
| 12:58.28 | mitch0 | so basically, you just need to add a /slashcmd to it, right? |
| 12:58.32 | Undine | gotta start somewhere |
| 12:58.45 | Undine | good practice for messing with tables |
| 12:59.15 | mitch0 | why would anyone like messing with tables is beyond me :) |
| 12:59.38 | Roartindon | mitch0: Gotta learn how lua does tables sometimes I guess :) |
| 12:59.43 | mitch0 | finding some cool algorithm is fun, juggling with syntax/data structures is just a necessity |
| 12:59.57 | kenlyric | just read the sanity inventory code. It's faster :) |
| 13:00.15 | mitch0 | roartindon: read the docs? :) |
| 13:00.27 | Roartindon | Undine: .. undine was the water spell in ChronoTrigger right? |
| 13:00.28 | N3cr0m4ncer | That's not learning, that's copying^^ |
| 13:00.39 | kenlyric | no. |
| 13:00.39 | mitch0 | finding out table stuff just by coding and debugging is a bit hard I guess :) |
| 13:00.43 | kenlyric | it's not copying to use a lib. |
| 13:00.45 | Roartindon | mitch0: Nothing teaches you syntax of coding than coding something yourself :) |
| 13:00.51 | kenlyric | that would be, you know, the point of libs? |
| 13:01.06 | Xuerian | Tables are easy, anyway... |
| 13:01.12 | mitch0 | so, this is how the bitching part works |
| 13:01.14 | mitch0 | :) |
| 13:01.17 | N3cr0m4ncer | Well, a bit misunderstood you. Thought you ment to copy the sanity code^^ |
| 13:01.19 | Xuerian | Unless you decide you must iterate over them in order.... |
| 13:01.28 | kenlyric | no. |
| 13:02.11 | Undine | dunno about ChronoTrigger |
| 13:02.16 | mitch0 | btw, are encoded/obfuscated addons agains some sort of TOS? |
| 13:02.22 | Undine | i think Undine is in the PS2 game Primal possibly |
| 13:02.23 | kenlyric | though someone working ont he sanity mod would be nice too :) |
| 13:02.49 | mitch0 | antiarc is working on it, doesn't he? |
| 13:03.08 | kenlyric | he's been busy as of late. I guess I haven't taken a stab at the changelog lately. |
| 13:03.17 | Undine | i suspect sanity is a bit bloaty for my liking |
| 13:03.38 | kenlyric | I bet sanityinventory is the exact same thing you just did. |
| 13:03.48 | Undine | :) |
| 13:03.57 | Undine | mine will perform worse and use more memory though! |
| 13:04.03 | mitch0 | ;) |
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| 13:04.24 | Roartindon | Let Undine code his first addon in peace imho. Rip him up on subsequent ones :) |
| 13:04.54 | Roartindon | (or if his first one is put into svn) |
| 13:05.07 | kenlyric | but, then he can't become immune to it early. |
| 13:05.25 | Roartindon | Half of the library names aren't obvious what they do until you know what they are :) |
| 13:05.34 | Undine | looking at sanity now (to crib the search code). a comment here and there woudln't go amiss |
| 13:05.39 | kenlyric | SanityItemCache is the actual lib name, if you wanna take a look and compare. |
| 13:05.43 | N3cr0m4ncer | Yeah, how much addons are out there that just do the same as others^^ |
| 13:06.15 | kenlyric | addons tthat do the same thing don't bug me. Even libs don't, provided they do it much better. |
| 13:06.57 | kenlyric | but, you really should only reinvent the wheel when you're a master wheel maker. |
| 13:07.09 | Roartindon | I feel like rewriting eavesdrop |
| 13:07.12 | N3cr0m4ncer | :P |
| 13:07.29 | kenlyric | no, you want to write a lib that stores player info. |
| 13:07.29 | Roartindon | I like it's functionality, I just want it to look different.. more cosmetic options, font options |
| 13:07.50 | Roartindon | kenlyric: What kind of player info? aren't there mods that already do that? |
| 13:07.59 | kenlyric | mods that do, not libs. |
| 13:08.13 | kenlyric | apparently I've been told it's because "they can't" |
| 13:08.14 | Roartindon | You mean player info like inspect? |
| 13:08.15 | mitch0 | well, one has to get used to criticism and not freak out... my first attempt at RangeCheck was ridiculed for it's OO style (in a pretty ugly manner, too). but you just have to accept it and do it better :) |
| 13:08.38 | kenlyric | I mean like what prat stores. And what aloft stores, etc, etc etc. |
| 13:08.54 | Roartindon | kenlyric: Oh, name, level, class, etc. |
| 13:09.15 | Roartindon | Do any other addons store apart from Aloft/Prat? |
| 13:09.26 | kenlyric | pitbull |
| 13:09.36 | Roartindon | Pitbull does? whatever for? |
| 13:09.42 | kenlyric | doesn't it? |
| 13:09.49 | kenlyric | I thought all unitframe addons did. |
| 13:09.52 | Roartindon | Only reason you'd store it is if you can't use UnitClass() |
| 13:10.05 | Roartindon | All unit frame addons just call UnitClass(unitid) and they get the class |
| 13:10.13 | Roartindon | Prat/Aloft store it because they don't have unitids |
| 13:11.34 | kenlyric | I was thinking I had a third mod which stored that information. |
| 13:11.55 | Roartindon | Prat stores player/level for everyone of your faction - because that's what it needs. Aloft stores class of anyone on a per-server basis (no need for level information as that's 'provided' by inspecting the original nameplate) |
| 13:11.59 | kenlyric | but that just might have been back when I used the wowcensus addon. |
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| 13:12.54 | ThraeBot | xb95: Dahneille, Level 70 Draenei Shaman (0/5/56). 8529 HP; 11207 Mana; 294 mana regen; 124 mp5; 8628 Armour; 4.55% melee crit; 15 spell crit; 185 +spell dmg; 1607 +heal; 4.84% dodge; 5% block; +33 all resists (+10 shadow); [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/28xjva ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2t7t2y ]] |
| 13:12.59 | grom358 | why doesn't closetgnome require the last set your were wearing when u swap for evocation or drinking? |
| 13:13.23 | kenlyric | require? |
| 13:13.33 | grom358 | i mean reequip |
| 13:13.57 | Xinhuan | maybe it needs to be updated to do that - if not just go back and use itemrack which does that |
| 13:14.15 | kenlyric | if it's fired by an automatic event, I'd think it would. |
| 13:14.28 | kenlyric | it does for closetgnome_mount |
| 13:14.41 | Xinhuan | he's saying it doesn't, not sure |
| 13:14.53 | kenlyric | i c an't remember if it does for shadowform. |
| 13:15.56 | kenlyric | I seem to remember that it didn't. |
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| 13:17.39 | CIA-14 | FuBar_GemWatchFu: |
| 13:17.40 | CIA-14 | - Added localization koKR (by ddaalgi) |
| 13:23.19 | sylvanaar | did someone need something? |
| 13:23.31 | cladhaire | buttsecks, pls. |
| 13:23.48 | sylvanaar | you are over your weekly limit imo |
| 13:24.01 | cladhaire | rations? boo |
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| 13:41.04 | sylvanaar | i want to replace prat's god-awful pattern match code with a subtable implementation ie, match a substring and replace it with left, { matchdata }, right |
| 13:41.59 | Grum | so you want to make something which replace the 'left, { matchdata }, right' automaticly into god-awful pattern match code? ;) |
| 13:42.16 | sylvanaar | anyone know of an existing algorithm that does this sort of 'split string at match, and insert a table there" |
| 13:42.32 | Roartindon | sylvanaar: string.find with string.sub ? |
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| 13:44.13 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46101 10Cartographer_Fishing/ (Cartographer_Fishing.toc embeds.xml): Cartographer_Fishing: use embeds.xml |
| 13:44.18 | Neebler | sylvanaar would it be possible to individually set a limit to the ammount of text each line has? |
| 13:44.25 | sylvanaar | Roartindon yeah, i was doing something like that |
| 13:44.27 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46102 10Cartographer_Stats/ (Cartographer_Stats.toc embeds.xml): Cartographer_Stats: use embeds.xml |
| 13:44.29 | Neebler | ie: http://neebler.tetro.net/angle.jpg |
| 13:44.36 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46103 10Cartographer_Trainers/ (Cartographer_Trainers.toc embeds.xml): |
| 13:44.36 | CIA-14 | Cartographer_Trainers |
| 13:44.36 | CIA-14 | use embeds.xml |
| 13:44.49 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46104 10Cartographer_Vendors/ (Cartographer_Vendors.toc embeds.xml): |
| 13:44.49 | CIA-14 | Cartographer_Vendors |
| 13:44.49 | CIA-14 | use embeds.xml |
| 13:44.55 | Grum | sylvanaar: regexes can do it :) |
| 13:44.59 | sylvanaar | Neebler already done in the chatbutton module |
| 13:45.00 | Xinhuan | whats these use embeds.xml changes |
| 13:45.33 | sylvanaar | Neebler if you set your buttons to be on the chatframe, prat will flow the text around them |
| 13:45.51 | Neebler | wooooo |
| 13:46.02 | Bruners | buffalo or buffalo2 ? |
| 13:46.06 | Gagorian | Xinhuan: Faster loading times with standalone libraries |
| 13:46.25 | Xinhuan | i'm afraid i dont' understand |
| 13:46.32 | Gagorian | Due to the way wow processes the xml files compared to them being in the .toc file |
| 13:46.38 | Xinhuan | i'm already using standalone libraries |
| 13:47.10 | Gagorian | Yes, and without embeds wow will try to load each file listed in the .toc including the embedded libraries you don't have |
| 13:47.10 | Xinhuan | so all the TOC files should be modified to have a single XML file containing a list of files to load? |
| 13:47.25 | sylvanaar | someone should make a little utility to do a PROPGET or whatever, and then generate an embeds.xml |
| 13:47.26 | Roartindon | Xinhuan: Single file containing alist of files *of embedded libraries* to load |
| 13:47.28 | Gagorian | and adds all missing files to the error log |
| 13:47.54 | Xinhuan | ah i see, so in this case, wow will only attempt to load a embeds.xml file that is missing when using standalone libs? |
| 13:48.27 | Xinhuan | is that what is being changed to? |
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| 13:49.06 | Gagorian | No. It prevents the need for trying to load all the libraries in the .toc, adding to the error log and slowing loading times. If the libraries are listed in the .xml that doesn't happen. |
| 13:49.22 | Gagorian | And WAU even deletes the entries from the embeds.xml |
| 13:49.28 | sylvanaar | Xinhuan it actually has all its subnodes removed in the no-externals zips, but the file still exists - this results in 0 errors |
| 13:49.53 | sylvanaar | its done by the files script now |
| 13:49.57 | Gagorian | aha |
| 13:49.58 | Xinhuan | ok, so that cleans up the FrameXML.log and loads faster |
| 13:50.04 | Gagorian | Yes |
| 13:50.32 | Xinhuan | does each ace addon need to be manually updated to this new embeds system though? |
| 13:51.07 | Gagorian | Yes, but it's not a big issue if a few are using 'the old system'. |
| 13:51.09 | sylvanaar | but it would be really easy to do an http request to the svn and get the externals list and generate embeds.xml using some yet to be written utility |
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| 13:52.03 | Xinhuan | i assume some nerd will do it ;p |
| 13:52.10 | sylvanaar | ^^ |
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| 13:53.07 | grom358 | has anyone ever though of doing distros of wowace addons with preset configurations? Its not that easily to setup some mods to be laid out nicely (*cough* pitbull *cough*) |
| 13:53.08 | sylvanaar | its just value add, there if you choose to use it. |
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| 13:53.50 | sylvanaar | grom358 some addons have preset configurations already. also i think some people have done that in their mod compilations |
| 13:53.53 | Amadeo | grom358: I've always thought addons should have some kind of sane defaults, but I dunno :P |
| 13:53.54 | Neebler | these chatbuttons are not really what I was looking for sylvanaar, in regards to limiting the width of each line of text. ah well |
| 13:54.09 | sylvanaar | Neebler look at the end |
| 13:54.37 | Neebler | I don't understand, but I'll mess around some more |
| 13:54.41 | Amadeo | PitBull is such a mess to configure that I don't even care to spend the time to make it nice |
| 13:54.59 | Neebler | no way! pitbull is categorized neatly |
| 13:55.11 | Amadeo | rofl |
| 13:55.16 | grom358 | can u name me a mod compilation of wowace addons? its just I was thinking of doing something like this for people that don't want to mess around with configuring a UI themself |
| 13:55.29 | Grum | you just need more than 2 braincells to configure pitbull :) |
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| 13:55.34 | mort|work | pitbull is fine |
| 13:55.44 | sylvanaar | Neebler run it, put the buttons on the chatframe, and then make the chatframe small - then scroll the text up and down and watch it |
| 13:55.50 | Bruners | what is the best of Duratek and DurabilityFu ? |
| 13:55.55 | Amadeo | Grum: It's not about the inability to do it, it's the fact that it's too much work |
| 13:55.58 | Fisker- | WUT |
| 13:56.01 | Fisker- | hax [Ammo] |
| 13:56.03 | Fisker- | hax to the max |
| 13:56.09 | Neebler | right I see that sylvanaar. but I cannot limit each individual lines width |
| 13:56.16 | grom358 | yeah I using pitbull. but it taken a bit to get it looking sane |
| 13:56.19 | Grum | Amadeo: why? |
| 13:56.30 | Grum | set up 1 frame - copy to all others ... place them .. dooooooone |
| 13:56.50 | sylvanaar | Neebler huh? thats what it is doing, you have to modify it to suit your usage |
| 13:56.56 | CIA-14 | 03roartindon * r46105 10TagCompiler-1.0/TagCompiler-1.0/TagCompiler-1.0.lua: |
| 13:56.56 | CIA-14 | TagCompiler-1.0 |
| 13:56.56 | CIA-14 | - Changes to highlight syntax errors more clearly and closer to the point of the actual error |
| 13:57.00 | Grum | you get pitbull for the fact you can do *anything* you want with the unitframes ... if you do not want that .. do not get pitbull |
| 13:57.02 | Amadeo | Grum: Ok, I want you to do something for me... Clear your saved variable for PitBull, log in game and start up Fraps, put PitBull in raid configuration mode and configure it all, and record until it's set up |
| 13:57.04 | Amadeo | Do that |
| 13:57.09 | Fisker- | man |
| 13:57.14 | Fisker- | that curse ad on WAU sucks |
| 13:57.15 | Grum | Amadeo: why should I ? |
| 13:57.23 | Amadeo | Grum: You're claiming it's so easy and takes no time |
| 13:57.24 | Fisker- | it has an orc "saying" '!' |
| 13:57.26 | Amadeo | so I want proof :) |
| 13:57.31 | Fisker- | it should say "Fix orc shoulders omz" |
| 13:57.34 | Fisker- | omgz* |
| 13:57.40 | Grum | copy/paste the line where i said it would take no time |
| 13:57.50 | mort|work | i could do that in under 5 minutes |
| 13:57.57 | sylvanaar | Presets - pitbull supports them |
| 13:57.58 | nevcairiel | (Grum): its easy and takes no time |
| 13:57.59 | nevcairiel | there |
| 13:57.59 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 13:58.03 | Grum | LIES! |
| 13:58.09 | Neebler | so you're saying you can make the chat aligned like this: http://neebler.tetro.net/angle.jpg using chatbuttons? :| |
| 13:58.09 | Amadeo | mort|work: I'll offer you the same thing, then :) |
| 13:58.19 | mort|work | (in don't use the raidframes actually) ;) |
| 13:58.24 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46106 10ChatLog/ (ChatLog.toc embeds.xml): ChatLog: use embeds.xml |
| 13:58.32 | Grum | Amadeo: you dont want that challenge because its very easy to do tbh |
| 13:58.40 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46107 10ClosetGnome_Mount/ (ClosetGnome_Mount.toc embeds.xml): ClosetGnome_Mount: use embeds.xml |
| 13:58.43 | mort|work | i have to set up player, target and targetstarget frame and i'm done :P |
| 13:58.45 | Amadeo | It'll take you 5 minutes just to drag the 90 windows that are stacked on top of each other in the center of your screen |
| 13:58.48 | Grum | use the default unitframes in pitbull .. you have 5 minutes to drag them into position .. rawr now that is doable ;) |
| 13:58.55 | Grum | 90 windows? |
| 13:58.56 | Grum | lol |
| 13:59.18 | Grum | you do know you can turn of frames you do not want right? |
| 13:59.19 | Fisker- | just get grid |
| 13:59.20 | sylvanaar | Neebler there is code right there that is doing something almost like that |
| 13:59.27 | Fisker- | and turn off raid frames for pitbull |
| 13:59.28 | Fisker- | = win |
| 13:59.34 | Fisker- | and under 5 minutes |
| 13:59.37 | Grum | i only use 'player/playerpet/target/targettarget/focus/focustarget' :) |
| 13:59.39 | Amadeo | Grum: Yes, and I do, I'm just explaining that PitBull could use sane defaults |
| 13:59.41 | nevcairiel | sRaidFrames > Grid imho |
| 13:59.47 | sylvanaar | Neebler all you have to do is set up the right bounds |
| 13:59.47 | Grum | Grid > * |
| 13:59.52 | mort|work | ahh okay, i forgot focus |
| 14:00.41 | Fisker- | no nevcairiel ! |
| 14:00.43 | Amadeo | I disbelieve that anyone can get a nice looking and fully functional PitBull setup in 5 minutes, unless they're going to make one that wastes a ton of screen space and uses all the full size frames for party, pets, target of target, etc |
| 14:00.45 | Fisker- | and help pastamancer on grid |
| 14:00.46 | Grum | but rebuilding my ui from scratch would take a complete weekend i think |
| 14:00.52 | Grum | i better start up backuping the sucker :D |
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| 14:01.16 | Grum | Amadeo: start pitbull - drag 'player/playerpet/target/targettarget/focus/focustarget' to a good location - DONE |
| 14:01.24 | Grum | and ofc turn the rest off |
| 14:01.24 | Amadeo | No |
| 14:01.27 | Grum | who needs the rest :) |
| 14:01.38 | Amadeo | The rest is important |
| 14:01.44 | mort|work | i could rebuild the entire ui in 1-2 hours i think |
| 14:01.45 | Neebler | pitbull global settings: turn scale down |
| 14:01.45 | Grum | is it? |
| 14:01.46 | Roartindon | Grum: That's not a fully functional Pitbull setup. I took ages tweaking the relative sizes of bars, various placement options |
| 14:01.46 | Xinhuan | party1-party4 obviously ;p |
| 14:01.58 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=394350431&postId=3939454134&sid=1 |
| 14:01.58 | Grum | Roartindon: i did as well |
| 14:01.58 | Fisker- | lol |
| 14:02.05 | Grum | and again i never said it would be fast |
| 14:02.05 | Amadeo | Grum: Not everything, but I definitely use party targets, party pets, etc |
| 14:02.05 | Grum | just easy :) |
| 14:02.13 | Grum | party targets? LOL are you MAD? |
| 14:02.20 | Amadeo | Why? |
| 14:02.21 | Roartindon | Grum: I didn't say it was hard, I said it took time |
| 14:02.34 | Amadeo | Party targets is great |
| 14:02.38 | Grum | O.o |
| 14:02.45 | Amadeo | First time I used it was in X-Perl |
| 14:02.50 | Amadeo | I was impressed |
| 14:02.58 | Grum | how can you care less for what they target? ;) |
| 14:03.03 | Xinhuan | for assisting |
| 14:03.08 | mort|work | i have on partyframes at all.... |
| 14:03.12 | Xinhuan | it helps |
| 14:03.22 | Amadeo | Also, so you can yell at them when they screw up |
| 14:03.23 | Amadeo | haha |
| 14:03.28 | Xinhuan | and also to see what your party members are targetting, yeah to yell at them |
| 14:03.31 | Grum | i dont even have partyframes O.o |
| 14:03.39 | Xinhuan | let me guess grum - are you a rogue? |
| 14:03.44 | Grum | no holy priest |
| 14:03.52 | mort|work | http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/7598/wowscrnshot080807152251hk3.jpg my ui out of combat ;) |
| 14:03.57 | sylvanaar | i have chatbubbles |
| 14:04.04 | abbat_w | i don't use focustarget |
| 14:04.15 | Amadeo | No wonder you guys say PitBull is so quick to configure, you guys don't even use any of the frames :P |
| 14:04.24 | Grum | i never said it was quicK! |
| 14:04.27 | Grum | just *EASY* |
| 14:04.28 | abbat_w | quick |
| 14:04.32 | abbat_w | very quick |
| 14:04.35 | Amadeo | hahah |
| 14:04.38 | sylvanaar | i turn off most of the frames |
| 14:04.48 | Amadeo | Easy/Quick, whatever, if you're using one frame, yeah, it's easy :P |
| 14:05.01 | Grum | i'm using 6 :) |
| 14:05.07 | Xinhuan | if all you use is just 1 frame - why even use pitbull ;p |
| 14:05.12 | mort|work | i like to see the actual game and not some ui elements |
| 14:05.30 | Amadeo | I agree with that, but you need a functional balance |
| 14:05.30 | Neebler | pssh been there done that! editing UI > actual game |
| 14:05.32 | abbat_w | Amadeo, i use player/target/tot/focus/party/partytargets/pet/pettarget |
| 14:05.44 | abbat_w | and configure was quick and easy |
| 14:05.46 | Amadeo | abbat_w: Do you have a screenshot of your setup? |
| 14:05.56 | mort|work | i have 4 unitframes and a really small grip while raiding |
| 14:06.00 | abbat_w | Look at 'copy settings from another frame' |
| 14:06.00 | sylvanaar | You have to invest time in presets, ckk made a way to share layouts - does it not work>? |
| 14:06.14 | Xinhuan | and if your raid leader, you'll need raid frames for every raid member |
| 14:06.20 | Grum | why? |
| 14:06.22 | abbat_w | Amadeo, if you give me url where i can upload ui, i'll do it |
| 14:06.24 | Grum | XRS++ |
| 14:06.24 | Roartindon | My UI, (though the middle window was only there temporarily) http://www.lim.com.au/wow/Assessment.jpg |
| 14:06.29 | Amadeo | sylvanaar: Layouts are just frame designs, not locations |
| 14:06.31 | tinyboom | hehe, just found a rep checker:) http://reputation.mygamesonline.org/ |
| 14:06.37 | Xinhuan | because you need to see specifically who is dead, who has battle rezzes available |
| 14:06.38 | Undine | hehe 'PriNt' (a nil value) |
| 14:06.40 | abbat_w | It's not last version but almost last ;) |
| 14:06.42 | Xinhuan | and how to shift groups mid-combat |
| 14:06.45 | Xinhuan | depending on who is alive |
| 14:06.46 | sylvanaar | Amadeo thats the bulk of the work |
| 14:06.46 | Amadeo | abbat_w: imageshack.us |
| 14:06.52 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46108 10DelMapa/ (DelMapa.toc embeds.xml): DelMapa: use embeds.xml |
| 14:06.54 | Xinhuan | XRS doesn't do enough |
| 14:06.55 | Grum | Xinhuan: use oRA2 for that? :) |
| 14:06.57 | Roartindon | Xinhuan: I use grid for it |
| 14:07.01 | Neebler | that resolution is massive roartindon! |
| 14:07.01 | Grum | same |
| 14:07.02 | Xinhuan | hence i said RAID FRAMES |
| 14:07.04 | Grum | Grid > * |
| 14:07.05 | Xinhuan | is needed |
| 14:07.07 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46109 10FishingAce/ (FishingAce.toc embeds.xml): |
| 14:07.07 | CIA-14 | FishingAce: |
| 14:07.07 | CIA-14 | - use embeds.xml |
| 14:07.07 | Roartindon | Xinhuan: Check grid in my screenshot - it's absolutely clear who is dead (Deat in group 4) |
| 14:07.08 | Xinhuan | i didn't say pitbull |
| 14:07.18 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46110 10FuBar_ArenaFu/ (FuBar_ArenaFu.toc embeds.xml): FuBar_ArenaFu - use embeds.xml |
| 14:07.19 | Xinhuan | [8/9 22:09:27] <Xinhuan> and if your raid leader, you'll need raid frames for every raid member |
| 14:07.22 | Grum | as raidleader you can do without raidframes |
| 14:07.30 | Xinhuan | you can, but its not as easy |
| 14:07.33 | Grum | it is :) |
| 14:07.33 | Amadeo | Roartindon: What resolution is this? lol |
| 14:07.39 | Roartindon | Amadeo: 2560x1600 |
| 14:07.39 | Grum | XRS provides all information you need |
| 14:07.42 | Amadeo | wtf |
| 14:07.42 | Amadeo | haha |
| 14:07.48 | Xinhuan | its better to have everything on screen |
| 14:07.59 | abbat_w | no |
| 14:08.05 | abbat_w | wrong |
| 14:08.26 | Amadeo | If I ran at that resolution, I bet I could have a sweet UI |
| 14:08.31 | Amadeo | right now it's hard to fit everything on mine :P |
| 14:08.38 | Undine | what's the l/r combat log thing? |
| 14:08.40 | Grum | so what are you running at Amadeo ? :) |
| 14:08.41 | abbat_w | you have too many icons/bars/informations. you can take something in 2-3 different places of screen |
| 14:08.43 | abbat_w | it's not good |
| 14:08.45 | Grum | Undine: Eavesdrop |
| 14:08.47 | Amadeo | Grum: 1280x960 |
| 14:08.53 | Amadeo | I have an old CRT :P |
| 14:08.56 | Grum | Amadeo: AAUCH ... |
| 14:09.00 | Roartindon | I had essentially the same UI before at 1920x1200, just scaled down a bit :) |
| 14:09.17 | Grum | uiscale is around .7 here orso |
| 14:09.53 | Amadeo | I've left the scale at whatever default is, since almost everything I use can be resized |
| 14:10.19 | Undine | my mod is nearly done :) |
| 14:10.33 | sylvanaar | Neebler in fact i was at one point trying to create 2 fontstrings on each line of the scrolling message frame using code very similar to that |
| 14:10.33 | Amadeo | Roartindon: You must have a pretty nice PC! |
| 14:10.40 | Grum | yeah but why depend on the 'scalability of an addon' itself .. when you can scale all! :D |
| 14:10.44 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46111 10FuBar_ExitFu/ (FuBar_ExitFu.toc embeds.xml): |
| 14:10.44 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ExitFu: |
| 14:10.44 | CIA-14 | - use embeds.xml |
| 14:10.56 | Roartindon | Amadeo: It's 2 years old now, only the graphics card is somewhat recent |
| 14:11.12 | Amadeo | What kind of fps do you get at that res? |
| 14:11.20 | abbat_w | Amadeo: http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/1671/wowscrnshot070807234734dj9.jpg |
| 14:11.24 | Amadeo | Grum: I remember lots of scale issues in the past, so I just do it this way now |
| 14:11.33 | Roartindon | In shatt/ironforge/org, 60-100 |
| 14:11.47 | Roartindon | in 25 man raids typically 30+ |
| 14:12.07 | Grum | Roartindon: there are areas where you just cant get above 30-35 |
| 14:12.12 | Grum | some of them are in Kara and SSC :) |
| 14:12.22 | Amadeo | abbat_w: That's not too bad |
| 14:12.25 | Grum | where your pc is basicalyl forced to draw *everything* :) |
| 14:12.26 | sylvanaar | i put my party frmaes along the bottom horizontally |
| 14:12.31 | Roartindon | Grum: Kara going up the main staircase drops to 25 |
| 14:12.38 | abbat_w | Amadeo, it's pvp ui :) |
| 14:12.40 | Roartindon | Grum: SSC they greatly reduced the draw distance recently |
| 14:12.44 | Amadeo | Roartindon: You get 60-100 fps in Shattrath? Oh-my-god! haha |
| 14:12.47 | Roartindon | Grum: I can't even see mobs 2 packs ahead anymore |
| 14:12.58 | jme | dude |
| 14:12.59 | Amadeo | I think I get 10 fps in Shattrath |
| 14:13.01 | jme | i get like 30 fps in shatt |
| 14:13.07 | Xinhuan | that still doesn't change the fact SSC takes loads of FPS to draw :o |
| 14:13.16 | Xinhuan | because of its cavern design |
| 14:13.25 | Grum | Roartindon: yeah that's nice |
| 14:13.27 | Xinhuan | the game engine cannot use LoD features on it |
| 14:13.29 | jme | one of our pally tanks gets like 10fps in kara already |
| 14:13.36 | Grum | lol |
| 14:13.36 | jme | i fear what it'll be like in ssc |
| 14:13.38 | Grum | kick him |
| 14:13.43 | Roartindon | http://www.lim.com.au/wow/screenshot.jpg - 33fps in that screenshot |
| 14:13.45 | jme | he's a darn good tank though |
| 14:13.49 | sylvanaar | my fps fluxuates in shat - but i can hit my refresh rate usually |
| 14:13.54 | Xinhuan | LOD only works on terrain |
| 14:13.57 | Xinhuan | sadly |
| 14:13.58 | Grum | dude .. paladins can have monkeys tanking them |
| 14:14.14 | jme | heh |
| 14:14.21 | sylvanaar | what, LoD works in cities for othr players |
| 14:14.42 | Xinhuan | yes - it works on the underlying terrain |
| 14:14.47 | Grum | Roartindon: whats the addon 'Boss Set' in your fubar? closetgnome/outfitter? |
| 14:14.50 | Amadeo | So everyone uses Grid now, nobody uses PerfectRaid anymore? |
| 14:14.55 | Roartindon | Grum: ItemRack |
| 14:14.55 | Xinhuan | but doesn't work on the actual buildings, doodads and stuff |
| 14:15.02 | Xinhuan | and definitely doesn't work in caves |
| 14:15.04 | sylvanaar | are the players terrain? |
| 14:15.05 | Roartindon | I've tried using ClosetGnome/Outfitter, but I keep going back to ItemRack |
| 14:15.07 | Xinhuan | nope |
| 14:15.12 | Roartindon | for the alt-item selection on the character pane |
| 14:15.26 | *** join/#wowace copystring (n=copystri@p548A12FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:15.30 | cladhaire | Amadeo: I still use praid :P |
| 14:15.31 | Grum | Roartindon: and the little menu with 'special spells' on the left side? (SS/DI/RB/RA) |
| 14:15.40 | Xinhuan | you can change all the graphic settings all you want standing in SSC, it won't change your FPS |
| 14:15.42 | Amadeo | cladhaire: hahahaha |
| 14:15.45 | Amadeo | :) |
| 14:16.02 | sylvanaar | i dont raid anymore =( |
| 14:16.05 | Xinhuan | zone in there alone, stand facing over the water near the start of the instance, |
| 14:16.07 | Xinhuan | and try it |
| 14:16.20 | Roartindon | Grum: Below MainTanks? |
| 14:16.39 | Amadeo | My Hunter levels so fast |
| 14:16.46 | Amadeo | the other day I was like 15, now I'm 24 |
| 14:16.50 | Grum | yeah |
| 14:16.52 | Grum | which addon is it :) |
| 14:17.03 | jme | Amadeo: awww it's growing up |
| 14:17.12 | Amadeo | haha |
| 14:17.13 | Roartindon | Grum: FuBar_oRA2CooldownFu |
| 14:17.22 | Roartindon | Grum: But you'll need to read the thread on it if you want to use it :) |
| 14:17.26 | Amadeo | Is there a way to block an addon from being updated in WAU? |
| 14:17.28 | jme | Amadeo: have fun finding groups when you're 70 |
| 14:17.28 | Grum | howso? |
| 14:17.33 | jme | Amadeo: and guilds |
| 14:17.34 | sylvanaar | my paladin is level 10 |
| 14:17.34 | Amadeo | without having to uncheck it every time? |
| 14:17.44 | sylvanaar | Amadeo there are a few ways |
| 14:17.45 | Amadeo | jme: I'm not worried about that at all |
| 14:17.49 | kenlyric | sylvanaar: just high enough to get into the armory and no more? :) |
| 14:17.54 | jme | Amadeo: well that's good |
| 14:18.02 | Kain | hey Roar what mod is it that lists the Soul stones, DI, Rebirth etc |
| 14:18.16 | Grum | Kain: FuBar_oRA2CooldownFu |
| 14:18.18 | Grum | i just asked ;) |
| 14:18.19 | sylvanaar | kenlyric no i just got bored, i sorta want to play my druid again |
| 14:18.25 | Amadeo | sylvanaar: point me in the right direction? :) |
| 14:18.27 | Grum | but curious why i need to read the forum before i can use it ;) |
| 14:18.31 | Roartindon | Grum: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2224.0 |
| 14:18.32 | Grum | and which forum Amadeo ? |
| 14:18.37 | Grum | oooooh iep Roartindon |
| 14:18.37 | Grum | thanks |
| 14:18.50 | Roartindon | Grum: The addon was written before oRA2 had its own inbuilt cooldown module |
| 14:18.59 | sylvanaar | Amadeo make ".svn" direcctory in addon or use the ignore addon command from the right click menu |
| 14:19.01 | Grum | humz k |
| 14:19.11 | Roartindon | Grum: I should look at making them coexist |
| 14:19.18 | Roartindon | Or be completley independent |
| 14:19.22 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46112 10FuBar_FactionsFu/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:19.22 | CIA-14 | FuBar_FactionsFu |
| 14:19.22 | CIA-14 | - updated zhTW localization |
| 14:19.22 | CIA-14 | - use embeds.xml |
| 14:19.29 | jme | so like, this paladin's forum signature |
| 14:19.33 | Xinhuan | sylvanaar: making a .svn" folder just moves that addon to another category called SVN in WAU |
| 14:19.35 | Grum | yeah silly both clash |
| 14:19.36 | Amadeo | sylvanaar: I'll try the .svn file, I don't see that right click option |
| 14:19.42 | [Ammo] | they should not clash |
| 14:19.45 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r46113 10FuBar_FriendsFu/ (3 files): |
| 14:19.45 | CIA-14 | FuBar_FriendsFu |
| 14:19.45 | CIA-14 | - updated zhTW localization |
| 14:19.45 | CIA-14 | - use embeds.xml |
| 14:19.47 | jme | "If I wanted to just tank, I'd be a Warrior. If I wanted to just DPS, I'd be a Rogue. If I wanted to just heal, I'd be a Priest. I rolled a hybrid." |
| 14:19.48 | Xinhuan | it still updates apparently, cos it still checks itself |
| 14:19.49 | [Ammo] | unless someone fucked up oRA2Cooldownfu again |
| 14:19.55 | [Ammo] | after I fixed it to not fuck up |
| 14:19.58 | sylvanaar | Xinhuan yeah, and it wont get updated |
| 14:20.00 | jme | i lol every time i see that |
| 14:20.22 | Garoun|Loupana | Hmm anyone notice if they use Mouse 4 and Mouse 5 for things other then button clicks, it still tries to act as a button click in bartender? |
| 14:20.37 | sylvanaar | Xinhuan the checkmark is not relevant |
| 14:20.45 | Xinhuan | i see |
| 14:20.48 | Grum | Roartindon: what's the reason they are dependant on eachother? |
| 14:20.52 | Xinhuan | whats the point of it then? |
| 14:21.04 | Roartindon | Grum: It's not that they're depending, I wrote it when oRA2 didn't have a module, and oRA2' |
| 14:21.04 | sylvanaar | Xinhuan try updating it |
| 14:21.16 | Grum | but how is it clashing? |
| 14:21.18 | Garoun|Loupana | I have mouse4 and mouse5 set to forward and back, but for some reason if they are moused over anything they try to act as a click... grrr |
| 14:21.19 | Roartindon | and oRA2's module prevents FuBar_oRA2CooldownFu from registering to receive messages |
| 14:21.24 | Grum | LOL |
| 14:21.25 | [Ammo] | no it should not |
| 14:21.34 | Roartindon | [Ammo]: Can't both register "CD" |
| 14:21.35 | [Ammo] | unless someone reintroduced the damn typo I fixed |
| 14:21.44 | Roartindon | [Ammo]: Hmm.. well, at least, it used to be the case |
| 14:21.47 | [Ammo] | yes it can |
| 14:21.49 | Roartindon | ah |
| 14:21.49 | [Ammo] | I fixed it |
| 14:21.51 | Grum | Roartindon: there seems to be no reason why you can't do that ;D |
| 14:21.52 | Roartindon | sweet :) |
| 14:21.55 | [Ammo] | C != c |
| 14:21.56 | [Ammo] | etc |
| 14:22.11 | Grum | for some reason some people also do not show up with cooldowns they have used |
| 14:22.23 | Grum | is that due to old oRA2? settings? nub people? |
| 14:22.27 | Grum | my oRA2 fucking up? |
| 14:22.29 | CIA-14 | 03deccard * r46114 10MiniChat/Core.lua: |
| 14:22.29 | CIA-14 | MiniChat: |
| 14:22.29 | CIA-14 | - fix for channel names in GUI options (however I can't figure out how to update slash command output) |
| 14:22.31 | *** join/#wowace Daemona (i=me@i577A362D.versanet.de) |
| 14:22.36 | jme | dude... people that put their class in their character name should be shot |
| 14:22.38 | jme | Archpaladin |
| 14:22.51 | Grum | you should be a gnome rogue then ;D |
| 14:23.06 | jme | gnomes are KoS |
| 14:23.08 | kenlyric | Gamerdruid |
| 14:23.10 | Xinhuan | there is a "Gnomerogue" on my server. he's a MS warrior ;p |
| 14:23.14 | Grum | gnomes > * |
| 14:23.19 | jme | Xinhuan: there's one on mine too |
| 14:23.29 | Grum | nothing more fun than a rogue tanking a fatass mob :p |
| 14:23.34 | jme | Xinhuan: are you on stormreaver? :o |
| 14:23.37 | Xinhuan | blackrock |
| 14:23.41 | jme | oh :( |
| 14:23.47 | Grum | trying to scrape of the cheese from Magtheridons toes etc ;D |
| 14:23.48 | kenlyric | My warrior's name is Ragetalon, but I swear I didn't think about warrior rage when I made the name. |
| 14:23.55 | jme | Grum: heh |
| 14:23.58 | sylvanaar | Xinhuan you should see TouristLib - Skipping. (Protected) for .svn and ignored addons |
| 14:24.03 | jme | kenlyric: sure sure |
| 14:24.12 | Xinhuan | ty sylvanaar :) |
| 14:24.14 | Grum | my gf plays a warrior gnome .. and is our MT .. so much fun =D |
| 14:24.21 | jme | i've seen Taurendruid, Taurendruidd, Druidtauren, Gnomerogue, Hunterxhunter |
| 14:24.38 | *** join/#wowace Kilroo (n=Kilroo@cpe-071-076-173-175.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 14:24.52 | Fisker- | OH LAWD |
| 14:25.06 | Fisker- | Then some guy says his addons doesn't work but they're up to date |
| 14:25.09 | kenlyric | the gayest name I ever had was Trulight, which was may main's nickname + light for a paladin. |
| 14:25.16 | kenlyric | But I was really bored with making names that day. |
| 14:25.18 | Fisker- | But it has this weird text "incompatible" next to the addon |
| 14:25.19 | Amadeo | What was that other app that people use for svn instead of Tortoise? |
| 14:25.22 | Fisker- | /me facepalms |
| 14:25.27 | jme | Fisker-: like the guy that said he was using oRA2 for raid frames |
| 14:25.43 | sylvanaar | lol svn |
| 14:25.49 | Grum | jme: loll :) |
| 14:25.49 | Amadeo | haha |
| 14:25.50 | kenlyric | Fisker-: up to date since August 9, 2006. |
| 14:25.58 | Amadeo | sylvanaar: Other than that, too :P |
| 14:26.02 | Amadeo | I forget what it's called |
| 14:26.06 | jme | Grum: no joke, i have the whole conversation logged |
| 14:26.09 | CIA-14 | 03andalia * r46115 10BattleChat/ (BattleChat.lua BattleChat.toc): BattleChat: - Fixed overheal for inc heals + Some minor stuff |
| 14:26.12 | Amadeo | I figure I should get it again |
| 14:26.23 | Grum | what i like most, is people claiming CT_RaidAssist is better because it has both 'oRA2' and 'SRaidFrames' in 1 addon |
| 14:26.38 | sylvanaar | i use tortoise and svn, not sure what others there are |
| 14:26.50 | kenlyric | The best way to un-suckify class-describing names is to translate them into Sindarin or the fantasy language of your choice :) |
| 14:27.08 | Amadeo | sylvanaar: I'll probably end up with Tortoise again :P |
| 14:27.09 | Grum | completely disregarding the fact you *have* to use the bloody stupid raidframes with little options, the crappy resource hog CTRA is, no updates for eeeeeons (like 8-10 months just ToC updates orso) |
| 14:27.13 | Fisker- | i manually break into the serverroom and make a couple of houndred floppy disks with the addons on it |
| 14:27.33 | jme | :o |
| 14:28.01 | jme | my #wowace log is 19mb |
| 14:28.10 | Grum | i've had a hell of a fight turning our guild to Omen instead of KTM :\ |
| 14:28.23 | sylvanaar | where are the ones you can get for the time you are offline |
| 14:28.23 | jme | heh.. i'm sstill working on getting people to switch |
| 14:28.39 | Grum | jme: really? :) |
| 14:28.44 | Fisker- | my logs folder is nothing compared to what it used to be |
| 14:28.46 | jme | s/sstill/still |
| 14:28.57 | Fisker- | only 700MB |
| 14:28.58 | Grum | i've actually made like 10 screen long posts explaining how to use it, how to install WAU, why ... etc etc :) |
| 14:29.10 | jme | Fisker-: mine is 70mb |
| 14:29.17 | Grum | and then basically said: if you have KTM you can not raid |
| 14:29.29 | Grum | (after getting permission from our GM ofc =D) |
| 14:29.37 | jme | Grum: well, i can't say that, i'm not the RL ;) |
| 14:29.38 | jme | or GM |
| 14:29.42 | Grum | me neither |
| 14:29.45 | Grum | just Officer :) |
| 14:29.53 | jme | not one of those either |
| 14:30.01 | Grum | lets see |
| 14:30.02 | Fisker- | my wowace logs are 110MB :O |
| 14:30.17 | Roartindon | I had it easy, I'm RL, so I told them all to get it.. and they did :) |
| 14:30.25 | Grum | :D |
| 14:30.29 | jme | Fisker-: i'm about to pastey the ora2 conversation from last night :P |
| 14:30.37 | Grum | Roartindon: what do you do with people not having brains |
| 14:30.45 | Fisker- | nooo |
| 14:30.48 | Grum | not jumping in the water at the Lurker beam |
| 14:30.51 | Grum | (for example) |
| 14:30.55 | Roartindon | I didn't tell them specifically omen, .. I just said.. install Threat-1.0 if you don't want a UI, install omen/assessment/violation/recount if you want a UI |
| 14:31.07 | Roartindon | Grum: Luckily, we don't have too many of those |
| 14:31.17 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46116 10Recount/ (Recount.lua Tracker.lua): Recount - Forgot to remove some misc code causing errors |
| 14:31.20 | Roartindon | Grum: Now that I can track exactly why anyone died in any fight for hte past 3 weeks |
| 14:31.36 | jme | i came within 3% of pulling the horse off the MT last night when we were at attumen.. |
| 14:31.37 | Roartindon | Grum: Most of them pay attention properly, rather than have me explicitly ask questions as to why they're incapable. |
| 14:31.50 | Grum | so which addon do you use to spy? ;) |
| 14:32.05 | Roartindon | Grum: Assessment |
| 14:32.12 | Grum | hmmm i have to check that one =D |
| 14:32.16 | jme | Roartindon: Assessment tracks that? |
| 14:32.20 | Grum | nubs |
| 14:32.22 | Roartindon | Grum: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=6576.msg126557#msg126557 |
| 14:32.31 | Roartindon | Check the top screenshot |
| 14:32.40 | Roartindon | When you can say to someone: ""You died because YOU did blah" |
| 14:32.48 | Roartindon | it becomes a powerful motivator for them to play properly |
| 14:32.52 | Roartindon | No more.. 'oh. random blah killed me" |
| 14:32.55 | *** join/#wowace Cryect (n=fefsd@pool-72-95-151-75.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) |
| 14:33.12 | Roartindon | One of my raiders was like. "man, this is so fucked, I can't even make up any random excuse for why I die anymore" |
| 14:33.40 | jme | owned |
| 14:35.59 | Roartindon | jme: And at the same time, it means you can really start blaming healers if people die with no good reason |
| 14:36.07 | Roartindon | jme: Or at least, force them, to adjust |
| 14:36.22 | Roartindon | jme: In the past, if someone died, they could scream "healers fault".. and no one would know better |
| 14:36.41 | CC__ | does recount have that "death event log" tracking?? |
| 14:36.47 | Roartindon | jme: But if there's a log that shows them slowly losing life over 10+ seconds until they die, then something needs to be done to reorganize the healing |
| 14:36.55 | Amadeo | sylvanaar: It was RapidSVN :) |
| 14:36.59 | Roartindon | CC__: Similar, I believe |
| 14:37.03 | jme | Roartindon: *nod* |
| 14:37.17 | CC__ | ah nice..i just dont want to switch from recount to assessment.. |
| 14:38.09 | Roartindon | Assessment doesn't have the fancy graphs that recount does, but it's also less system-resource hungry as a result |
| 14:38.44 | mort|work | recount can show you the last ~10 events before someone died |
| 14:39.06 | mort|work | so you can exactly what hit them in what time frame |
| 14:39.11 | mort|work | +see |
| 14:40.27 | sylvanaar | i hate that, because it was always used improperly |
| 14:41.08 | Cryect | hmmm what was always used improperly? |
| 14:41.15 | Roartindon | sylvanaar: Rapidsvn I think he means |
| 14:41.23 | Roartindon | err.. Cryect I meant |
| 14:41.27 | Cryect | heh ah |
| 14:41.28 | sylvanaar | no i mean death logs |
| 14:41.49 | Roartindon | sylvanaar: How can they be used improperly? |
| 14:42.15 | sylvanaar | like all data, its how you interpret it that counts |
| 14:42.23 | Cryect | Of course |
| 14:42.25 | Roartindon | sylvanaar: As a raid leader, my job is to troubleshoot fights.. and the biggest thing to troubleshoot is people dying. Until recently, that has been a matter of trusting what they say. |
| 14:43.19 | durcyn | Recount/ Expiration are occasionally useful, but they don't always show you the big picture |
| 14:43.32 | Cryect | No thats why you still need to talk :-p |
| 14:43.38 | durcyn | i.e. "oh, azgalor just killed the tank in two seconds because some stupid NPC moved in front and had 4 attacks parried" |
| 14:43.50 | sylvanaar | my guild it was about assigning blame, that was the #1 priority |
| 14:44.06 | Gagorian | We just blame the trolls |
| 14:44.09 | durcyn | it would just show you that the warrior ate six 5000 hits in that two second period, and not much else |
| 14:44.22 | sylvanaar | then you would hear "and i got 0 heals" |
| 14:44.24 | Cryect | Yeah, trying to figure out a good way to add parries |
| 14:44.47 | Roartindon | durcyn: It's only meant as an aid to understanding, it's not the complete analysis (yet |
| 14:44.54 | Neebler | ahah that would make a good guildname <and I got zero heals> |
| 14:45.01 | Cryect | I mean it be nice if you can see where healer focus was at that time |
| 14:45.11 | sylvanaar | and mana |
| 14:45.48 | Roartindon | I think recount does track mana? |
| 14:45.56 | Cryect | no |
| 14:46.04 | Cryect | I need to redo some graph code |
| 14:46.09 | Cryect | for adding stats in |
| 14:46.21 | sylvanaar | something needs to track hot's which are cast, but never tic because they get flashed off |
| 14:46.48 | Roartindon | sylvanaar: flashed off? |
| 14:46.55 | Cryect | healed to full |
| 14:46.56 | Cryect | the person |
| 14:47.02 | Roartindon | oh |
| 14:47.25 | sylvanaar | time until first HoT tic after cast 2 sec. Time to cast flash heal 1.5 sec |
| 14:47.32 | Cryect | next big feature I want to add in I think is class comparison similar to WWS |
| 14:47.44 | Cryect | don't you mean 3 seconds? |
| 14:47.50 | Cryect | unless its lifebloom then 1 second |
| 14:48.04 | sylvanaar | i dont know, i thought it was 2 |
| 14:48.20 | Cryect | all hots are 3 except lifebloom that I can think of |
| 14:48.29 | Cryect | maybe that naaru's blessing one is 2 |
| 14:48.42 | sylvanaar | oh god dont make me test it |
| 14:48.44 | Cryect | nope its 3 |
| 14:48.54 | Cryect | why test it? :-p http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=28880 |
| 14:49.14 | jme | Grum: http://ace.pastey.net/71988 |
| 14:49.14 | kenlyric | hots and dots are 3 second |
| 14:49.23 | sylvanaar | i havent healed in 6 months |
| 14:49.30 | kenlyric | mana regen ticks are 2 seconds. |
| 14:49.36 | kenlyric | that always confused me too. |
| 14:49.36 | Roartindon | kenlyric: Ignite is a 2sec dot |
| 14:49.40 | Cryect | mana regen ticks are 5 seconds now |
| 14:49.47 | Cryect | they changed that a while ago |
| 14:50.00 | Cryect | or is it 2 seconds they changed it to? |
| 14:50.03 | Roartindon | Cryect: 2 seconds |
| 14:50.12 | Roartindon | Cryect: They changed mana/5 to apply on the 2sec mark |
| 14:50.22 | Cryect | I'm always in the 5 second rule so never get to see the ticks :-p |
| 14:50.35 | sylvanaar | nevertheless, at 3 sec thats 2 flashheals - even worse |
| 14:50.37 | kenlyric | paladin? |
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| 14:50.43 | Cryect | Druid |
| 14:51.05 | Cryect | if its a fight I'm healing on, I'm probably always having a target to cast a hot on or remove curse |
| 14:51.09 | Cryect | and I heal once a month at most |
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| 15:00.57 | jme | i think i might put my hunter on hold from raiding for a while, and level my paladin |
| 15:01.13 | sylvanaar | yeah, they moved the last 1 sec of mana tic to be front loaded in 2.2, i havent tested it |
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| 15:02.04 | sylvanaar | are you balance Cryect? |
| 15:02.29 | jme | armory him :o |
| 15:02.42 | sylvanaar | is that his name? i dont know |
| 15:02.49 | jme | yeah, he's on my server |
| 15:02.54 | jme | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormreaver&n=Cryect |
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| 16:54.30 | *** topic/#wowace is http://www.wowace.com | http://files.wowace.com/ | http://ace.pastey.net | http://www.lua.org | http://wowace.com/wiki/Optimization | WAU2 beta started http://www.wowace.com/wau2/ | Sites back up and the restoration has began | check out #wowace-cia for realtime commit log |
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| 16:59.07 | Killmore7 | new ptr patch with voice chat, anyone tried it ? |
| 17:03.26 | Kaelten | did they patch it on yet? |
| 17:03.54 | Kaelten | I didn't get a patch :s |
| 17:04.20 | Stan__ | no need for a patch |
| 17:04.25 | Stan__ | it had to be activated |
| 17:04.28 | Stan__ | and it is now |
| 17:04.34 | Stan__ | now being tuesday |
| 17:04.44 | tinyboom | eu ptr down atm... |
| 17:05.12 | tinyboom | they just activated it serverside, was already implemented:p |
| 17:05.58 | Kaelten | someone sign onto the horde ptr side |
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| 17:07.33 | sylvanaar | ok |
| 17:07.42 | sylvanaar | which one |
| 17:08.46 | Kaelten | pve |
| 17:08.52 | Kaelten | but now the options for it have disapeared |
| 17:09.12 | Kaelten | did they turn it back off? |
| 17:09.22 | Kaelten | hrm showed back up when I reloaded ui |
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| 17:09.48 | kenlyric | known bug |
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| 17:10.00 | ArcaneTrickster | hi all |
| 17:10.41 | ArcaneTrickster | i got a question thats not exactly wowace but maybe you can help me anyways if i might ask |
| 17:11.19 | Gnarfoz | how much was the glancing blow chance reduced to? |
| 17:11.45 | Stan__ | Kaelten: they disappear when you join a group afaik |
| 17:11.55 | Kaelten | heh |
| 17:11.58 | Kaelten | fun |
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| 17:12.30 | SaiBork | hey all |
| 17:13.11 | ArcaneTrickster | anyone of you guys knows something about appache webserver (i am working on a own siggen inspired by antiarcs ;) but i cannot get the urls working how i would like to ;) |
| 17:13.25 | SaiBork | like how? ;) |
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| 17:15.15 | ArcaneTrickster | i am trying to get a url like host/sig.php/Arcanetrickster.gif where Arcanetrickster is the charname, i explode the whole url to get the variables i need. this works fine on my local xampp installation but on my webserver i get a 404, i think i gotta edit my .htaccess but i don't know what to search for ;) |
| 17:15.43 | Megalon | hm |
| 17:15.52 | Megalon | defense no longer helps against daze :( |
| 17:16.04 | durcyn | ArcaneTrickster: using what, mod_rewrite? |
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| 17:16.41 | ArcaneTrickster | i am a total.htaccess noob ;) is it possible to create a rewrite with variables? |
| 17:17.19 | ArcaneTrickster | as the part between /sig.php/ and .gif wil change quite often |
| 17:18.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ArcaneTrickster: yes. mod_rewrite can use regular expressions. google it. |
| 17:18.20 | Kaelten | I know how to do it in python/django but not with the tools you're using |
| 17:18.36 | ArcaneTrickster | thanks ;) looking for it right now ;) |
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| 17:21.06 | CIA-14 | 03gnarfoz * r46127 10Tattle/ (25 files in 25 dirs): Tattle - EU data update |
| 17:22.00 | Gnarfoz | ~whalenuke Fisker- |
| 17:22.01 | purl | ACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Fisker- with his mind powers |
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| 17:22.54 | Antiarc|Work | ArcaneTrickster: I don't do any mod_rewrite magic with mine |
| 17:23.13 | Antiarc|Work | I just split the request URI on the script name |
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| 17:23.41 | omega | ArcaneTrickster: the docs for mod_rewrite at httpd.apache.org are quite good |
| 17:23.55 | ArcaneTrickster | i know antiarc but my webserver doesn't like it ;) |
| 17:23.56 | cncfanatics | good morning :) |
| 17:24.24 | cncfanatics | Cyrez, ping :p |
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| 17:24.49 | ArcaneTrickster | http://schlaegereien-aller-art.net/siggen/bigsig.php/Garelli.gif just gives me a 404 ;) and i dont't want to do the bigsig.php?name=Garelli thing ;) |
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| 17:25.54 | ArcaneTrickster | the split worked nice but only on local ;) thats why i need to do some mod_rewrite magic ;) |
| 17:26.03 | Gnarfoz | Cryect: 19:24:54|Recount: POM healing for Daeron on Xaro -- left some debug messages in? ;) |
| 17:27.12 | Antiarc|Work | RewriteRule ^/siggen/bigsig.php/(.*)$ /siggen/bigsig.php?p=$1 |
| 17:27.16 | Antiarc|Work | Could try something like that. |
| 17:27.23 | jme | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CqfZfFn33Y |
| 17:27.40 | cncfanatics | roartindon, ping |
| 17:28.24 | ArcaneTrickster | now i know what to look for ;) so i should be able to find my way ;) i got the whole thing working localy just with google and reading your code ;) very nice work by the way ;) |
| 17:28.38 | ArcaneTrickster | you'll be mentioned in the comments for sure btw ;) |
| 17:29.00 | Antiarc|Work | Thank you for the compliment :) |
| 17:29.38 | ArcaneTrickster | hemlock is cool as well ;) use it daily ;) (ok now i have been nice enough for today ;) now i can be rude as much as i want ;) |
| 17:31.13 | Antiarc|Work | Hahah |
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| 17:31.38 | cncfanatics | anyone that can post something for me in the US forums ? |
| 17:31.42 | jme | that's an interesting amount of smileys to ues in one sentence ;) |
| 17:31.45 | jme | use* |
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| 17:33.49 | Saint-N | interesting isnt the word i'd use |
| 17:34.00 | Saint-N | un-nerving perhaps may fit better |
| 17:34.11 | EvilGrin | Ominous, I loaded Cartographer_Data and have lots of ? icons for Cartographer_Treasure related things (despite restarting WoW). |
| 17:34.16 | jme | Saint-N: yeah |
| 17:34.27 | ArcaneTrickster | i admit it i am somewhat of a smiley monster. Me bad |
| 17:34.42 | Saint-N | if someone smiled that much in real life they're either trying to sell you something or want to kill you |
| 17:34.43 | SaiBork | smileys! |
| 17:34.44 | Fisker- | btw |
| 17:34.46 | SaiBork | i love em |
| 17:34.51 | Fisker- | Anyone know a cowtip SV for epic look? |
| 17:35.02 | ArcaneTrickster | who says i don't wanna kill someone ... |
| 17:35.05 | Azure | SV? |
| 17:35.06 | Fisker- | saw one that looked a bit like tinytip, only awesome |
| 17:35.10 | Fisker- | savedvariables |
| 17:35.15 | Azure | ah.. |
| 17:35.21 | Saint-N | aftte > * |
| 17:35.26 | Saint-N | i love that tooltip |
| 17:35.30 | Saint-N | its so perty and simple |
| 17:35.48 | Azure | i made my CowTip to look like TinyTip.. love it :) |
| 17:36.09 | SaiBork | guys, little quest, i know: local texture, itemCount, locked, quality, readable = GetContainerItemInfo(1,2); can give me the stack/itemcount in the bagslot |
| 17:36.45 | SaiBork | but using getowner() gets me info as: Button:ContainerFrame1Item2 |
| 17:37.14 | SaiBork | so how do i get the info from Button:ContainerFrame1Item2 to Bag = 1 Slot = 2? :P |
| 17:38.18 | Tuller | in bagnon, its slot = button:GetID(), bag = button:GetParent():GetID() but I don't know how other addons handle it |
| 17:38.26 | Tuller | that's how blizzard handles it at least |
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| 17:38.52 | SaiBork | well im trying to use ace2 |
| 17:39.06 | SaiBork | and OnTooltipSetItem |
| 17:39.18 | SaiBork | local BagButton = tooltip:GetOwner() |
| 17:39.27 | Tuller | well, then you cannot know :) |
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| 17:39.36 | SaiBork | printing bagbutton gives me: Button:ContainerFrame1Item2 |
| 17:39.54 | Kaelten | GetID() on that might work |
| 17:40.00 | Kaelten | and then GetParent():GetID() |
| 17:40.00 | SaiBork | so that owner is working |
| 17:40.09 | SaiBork | GetParent is nil |
| 17:40.16 | SaiBork | GetID = 0 |
| 17:40.21 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 17:40.32 | Tuller | but if you're using OnTooltipSetItem, then that works on anything that's an item |
| 17:40.41 | Tuller | including things like action buttons |
| 17:40.51 | SaiBork | yeah, so? |
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| 17:41.04 | SaiBork | thats why i wanna filter it on the owner :P |
| 17:41.28 | Tuller | well, what do you do for nameless frames? :) |
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| 17:41.37 | SaiBork | nothing |
| 17:41.55 | SaiBork | i only want the itemcount on items in my bags :P |
| 17:42.13 | SaiBork | the rest of items is just, check name, add stuff accordingly |
| 17:42.37 | SaiBork | in my bags i want the default stuff + extra stuff for being stacked |
| 17:43.55 | ArcaneTrickster | laters all battery on laptop running low, will prolly be back on my desktop |
| 17:44.18 | Tuller | you can kindof get item count, with GetItemCount(link) |
| 17:45.48 | Tuller | but I cannot think of a reliable method to know you're on an inventory item using OnTooltipSetItem |
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| 17:47.11 | SaiBork | well you can use a check like "if Variable = Button:ContainerFrame then |
| 17:47.32 | SaiBork | but i need the ability to split the string |
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| 17:47.57 | SaiBork | local StackCount = tooltip:GetItemCount() |
| 17:48.00 | SaiBork | isnt working |
| 17:49.19 | Amadeo | This is a neat concept MP3/CD player design - http://www.dapreview.net/e107_images/newspost_images/concept_dapcd.jpg |
| 17:49.57 | Undine | cool |
| 17:50.09 | SaiBork | local frameID = tooltip:GetParent():GetID(); => gives 0 as i was affraid of |
| 17:50.50 | Tuller | SaiBork: you won't get stack count, and its just GetItemCount |
| 17:50.55 | SaiBork | because parent will always be Frame:UIParent |
| 17:51.39 | Tuller | tooltip:GetOwner():GetID() an tooltip:GetOwner():GetParent():GetID() :P |
| 17:52.06 | SaiBork | hmm |
| 17:52.15 | SaiBork | need to wait, server is restarting :P |
| 17:53.01 | CIA-14 | 03jerry 07jerry * r46128 10Grid/Grid/ (5 files): |
| 17:53.01 | CIA-14 | Grid: (branch) |
| 17:53.01 | CIA-14 | _ Add :UnitColor() to GridStatus. |
| 17:53.01 | CIA-14 | _ Allow user configuration of every color used for units. |
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| 18:01.15 | kenlyric | Amadeo: neat concept for compactness, but I'd be wary to spin CDs that fast in an environment that has freely flowing dust. |
| 18:01.19 | kenlyric | Not to mention, human fingers |
| 18:01.44 | kenlyric | and when one shatters.... |
| 18:03.33 | Amadeo | kenlyric: Yeah, it would never actually work |
| 18:04.03 | Amadeo | But imagine if suddenly your place of business is attacked by aliens, and you cut jagged edges onto the CD, and you quickly turn it into a deadly weapon! |
| 18:04.29 | CIA-14 | 03saroz * r46129 10PallyPower/PallyPower.lua: |
| 18:04.29 | CIA-14 | PallyPower: |
| 18:04.29 | CIA-14 | - A TON of syntax cleanups |
| 18:04.29 | CIA-14 | - Color duration text based on time to expiration (green = full duration running, red = expires) |
| 18:04.41 | Saroz | wut! |
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| 18:07.20 | Saroz | uglies code in a long time |
| 18:08.33 | Funkeh` | Hail Saroz, kind of ugly code? |
| 18:08.40 | Funkeh` | king* |
| 18:09.38 | Saroz | not my code |
| 18:09.41 | Saroz | just cleaning up |
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| 18:10.48 | Megalon | hail saroz, king of cleaning not his ugly code! |
| 18:11.00 | Saroz | yus |
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| 18:11.10 | SaiBork | Blizz hurry up already, i wanna test! How long does it take to restart a server..... |
| 18:11.33 | SaiBork | ha, you cant clean my code, its almost empty :P |
| 18:12.13 | Megalon | then there is plenty of room for ugly things :P |
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| 18:13.10 | SaiBork | oh im sure there will be enough crap in there |
| 18:13.41 | SaiBork | but its the first real thing im writing myself, so its hard to get a real start anyway |
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| 18:18.23 | SaiBork | aww, dont be shy now all :P |
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| 18:21.10 | [gk]Ossy | Cryect ? |
| 18:21.47 | Elkano | is there an event that is fired exclusivly when I join a group? |
| 18:22.41 | Saroz | no Elkano |
| 18:22.51 | [gk]Ossy | bah, anyone else know how to remove the PoM spam in Recount? I am dps I dont care about it :p |
| 18:23.51 | Elkano | how else would I react to joining a group? |
| 18:23.54 | Kaelten | http://trac.wowace.com/ |
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| 18:24.55 | Keya | PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED < not fired? |
| 18:25.27 | jme | Elkano: i would say "wow, i got a group" |
| 18:25.32 | jme | Elkano: as a huntard |
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| 18:25.53 | Keya | jme: all your loot belongs to me - as a huntard :D |
| 18:25.59 | jme | Keya: :( |
| 18:26.50 | Keya | jme: I play a hunter myself, nothing against good ol' prejudices |
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| 18:29.03 | Shir | seems recent atlasloot has some wonky chars in the .cn. file - http://ace.pastey.net/72000?lang=null |
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| 18:30.27 | Shir | and for [Ammo] - there still is a Clash between oRA2 and FuBar_oRA2CooldownFu ... http://ace.pastey.net/72001 (http://files.wowace.com/FuBar_oRA2CooldownFu/ and last oRA2 as well) |
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| 18:31.15 | Funkeh` | Kaelten: <3 <3 |
| 18:31.17 | Keya | Elkano: some google searching seems to imply that the above event is fired when you join a group - but oc I don't know for sure |
| 18:31.23 | Kaelten | Funkeh`: ? |
| 18:31.29 | Funkeh` | @trac |
| 18:31.33 | Kaelten | ah |
| 18:31.40 | Kaelten | doing a redirect now |
| 18:31.41 | Funkeh` | google soon? ;p |
| 18:31.45 | Silowyi | Does the table.sort function sort based on key or value? |
| 18:31.46 | Kaelten | er, maybe |
| 18:31.48 | Kaelten | :P |
| 18:32.05 | Funkeh` | can use TRAC here but on my mobile need to use google ;p |
| 18:32.11 | Kaelten | lol |
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| 18:32.15 | Kaelten | your a crack addict |
| 18:32.21 | Funkeh` | quite |
| 18:32.25 | Kaelten | s/your/you're/ |
| 18:32.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ... thats just sad, man :P |
| 18:32.43 | Funkeh` | Sad how? What do you do when you are bored ? |
| 18:32.53 | Shir | oh AddOns\AtlasLoot\WorldBosses\worldbosses.cn.lua is just missing a '}' before 'end' .. =) |
| 18:33.02 | NightHawkTheSane | not salivate over the latest commits to wowace ;) |
| 18:33.16 | Funkeh` | Well I can't masturbate in public so |
| 18:33.21 | NightHawkTheSane | touchΓ© |
| 18:33.33 | kenlyric | you can't? |
| 18:33.43 | kenlyric | I just think you mean won't |
| 18:33.48 | Saint-N | laugh |
| 18:34.00 | Funkeh` | Maybe for a minor fee |
| 18:34.30 | Chompers | for £5? |
| 18:35.13 | Shir | worldbosses.cn.lua and worldbosses.kr.lua worldbosses.es.lua are all affected by the same 'bug' as in http://ace.pastey.net/72000?lang=null |
| 18:35.15 | Chompers | how about 1207 Yen? |
| 18:35.31 | Funkeh` | Β£1,000 |
| 18:35.43 | Funkeh` | You think I'm cheap? |
| 18:35.43 | Silowyi | Let's say that you're tracking stuff about mobs in a table like: mobData[location][type][name][level].someinfo = somevalue. How would one sort the table alphabetically by key at each level, as in listing it out for example. Is there a library, api, or lua function that does this? |
| 18:35.52 | Saint-N | i do |
| 18:36.13 | Silowyi | or is this an inappropriate channel to ask that. |
| 18:36.38 | Saint-N | funek: even paying per inch 5 is still over priced ;P |
| 18:36.40 | Tornhoof | write some quicksort algo? |
| 18:37.19 | SaiBork | ARGH! Blizz..... |
| 18:37.31 | SaiBork | 40 minutes restarting a PTR..... |
| 18:37.34 | Silowyi | Tornhoof: It seems likely someone has had to do this before... no point in reinventing the wheel. |
| 18:37.43 | SaiBork | im trying to write a mod here blizz.... |
| 18:38.14 | Tornhoof | table.sort(...) |
| 18:38.16 | Tornhoof | ;) |
| 18:38.23 | Silowyi | table.sort works on the keys? |
| 18:38.36 | snurre | at least it doesnt take as long as anarchyonline's servers :p |
| 18:38.41 | Tornhoof | you can supply a custom sort function to table.sort |
| 18:38.43 | snurre | 60h downtime |
| 18:38.43 | Silowyi | the documentation is unclear whether it operates on keys or values. |
| 18:38.45 | Tornhoof | this should help you |
| 18:39.07 | harldephin | http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=2182 |
| 18:39.25 | Silowyi | Tornhoof: I suppose it should, except that I've already gone through the section in the documentation on custom sorting functions... with the same question of whether or operates on keys or values unanswered. |
| 18:39.46 | SaiBork | dont say that snurre... now it wont be up for a week :( |
| 18:40.25 | Tornhoof | considering their example, it will probably work on values |
| 18:40.30 | Tornhoof | but i guess you should try it |
| 18:40.36 | Silowyi | sort({1,3,2}) => {1,2,3} but does sort({a=1,c=2,b=3}) result in {a,b,c} or {a,c,b} |
| 18:40.38 | Tornhoof | make some table with string index values |
| 18:40.44 | Tornhoof | yeh |
| 18:40.45 | Tornhoof | try it :) |
| 18:40.50 | Tornhoof | i have no idea |
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| 18:41.21 | Silowyi | Trying! |
| 18:41.49 | Saint-N | http://www.xkcd.com/ |
| 18:42.12 | Kaelten | ok www.wowace.com/trac/ redirects to trac.wowace.com now |
| 18:42.23 | Knaledge_ | Who usually updates/edits Prat? |
| 18:42.33 | sylvanaar | not me |
| 18:42.40 | Knaledge_ | well, syl |
| 18:42.42 | Saint-N | lies~! |
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| 18:43.04 | Knaledge_ | basically, I have a minor request that might help (me) better make use of Prat and all that stuff |
| 18:43.22 | Knaledge_ | right now, because of scale and size restrictions, I only have one chat tab (General) |
| 18:43.34 | sylvanaar | that makes no sense, but ok |
| 18:43.39 | Knaledge_ | this is because the chat tabs themselves take up a lot of extra room above the chat frame |
| 18:43.41 | Knaledge_ | oh ok |
| 18:43.44 | Knaledge_ | then forget it. |
| 18:44.03 | sylvanaar | but yeah - you can hide the chat tabs |
| 18:44.16 | Knaledge_ | yeah, I know. |
| 18:44.38 | Knaledge_ | if you're interested in possibly making the addon a bit more accessible to users that have specific interests for it |
| 18:44.43 | Knaledge_ | I'm willing to make suggestions |
| 18:44.53 | sylvanaar | the frames stack, so they take up no more space when there is 1 or 7, thats what makes no sense |
| 18:44.55 | Knaledge_ | but if that doesn't make sense, I won't bother I guess. |
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| 18:45.13 | Knaledge_ | Right.. but in my case, the tabs themselves take up room |
| 18:45.16 | Knaledge_ | so I have them hidden |
| 18:46.07 | Knaledge_ | The suggestion/request is that I'd like to be able to use a slash command to change tabs |
| 18:46.20 | jme | Saint-N: haha |
| 18:46.21 | jme | Saint-N: <3 |
| 18:46.25 | Knaledge_ | like /ctab1 or /ctab2 |
| 18:47.21 | Knaledge_ | Oh it's funny jme but I find it rude that someone willing to take some time out of their day to give feedback to an author of an addon that only succeeds because others use it and they are given a hard time, etc. |
| 18:47.50 | Knaledge_ | So yeah <3 him or whatever, but don't forget it's just as easy to say "fuck it" and forget about it. Bugs or otherwise. |
| 18:48.41 | Saint-N | well we could look at it this way |
| 18:48.43 | Knaledge_ | I'm just thinking this additional functionality would allow people to manipulate the chat frame a bit better while saving on space that will go unused simply because the chat tabs are present. |
| 18:48.46 | Saint-N | people suggest things |
| 18:48.56 | Saint-N | and if the author doesnt like them they go "ok" |
| 18:49.07 | Saint-N | they dont append a "well fine i guess you just dont care about....." |
| 18:49.13 | jme | Knaledge_: huh? |
| 18:49.24 | jme | Knaledge_: dude, chill out a little |
| 18:49.33 | sylvanaar | ~ /script ChatFrame1Tab:Click() |
| 18:50.03 | Saint-N | and honestly what do you think is more valid, the time taken by the author to MAKE the addon in the first place, OR 1 person requesting something silly so that their winders look better? |
| 18:50.10 | GnancyWK | Take some time out of your day to give feedback? Thats not alot of time. |
| 18:50.16 | Knaledge_ | oh god. |
| 18:50.18 | Knaledge_ | ok |
| 18:50.34 | Saint-N | perhaps i should have used a 2l bottle instead of a can |
| 18:50.39 | Knaledge_ | I have a job to get back to. Do what you want with the feedback. It's just a suggestion |
| 18:50.44 | Knaledge_ | fucking jerks.. seriously. |
| 18:51.00 | jme | ... |
| 18:51.02 | GnancyWK | ohnoes |
| 18:51.09 | jme | that guy is so emo |
| 18:51.17 | jme | anyone disagrees with him, he goes crazy every time |
| 18:51.24 | Saint-N | woo! |
| 18:51.37 | Saint-N | hey syl |
| 18:51.43 | GnancyWK | man you are all a bunch of jerks for working on addons that people like |
| 18:51.46 | Saint-N | iwas wondering if you could change how prat behaves for me |
| 18:51.57 | Kaelten | ok someone commit something |
| 18:52.04 | jme | Saint-N: you win |
| 18:52.07 | Saint-N | i'd like 90% of the modules removed and everything to appear in bold white in a scrolling text on the left hand side of my screen |
| 18:52.26 | jme | every time he comes in here the conversations end up like that |
| 18:52.29 | sylvanaar | i have a job also |
| 18:52.31 | Saint-N | answer me dammit! |
| 18:52.38 | Saint-N | so?> im way more important! |
| 18:52.42 | Saint-N | fine you guys suck! |
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| 18:52.48 | jme | haha |
| 18:52.48 | durcyn | thank god he's gone |
| 18:52.49 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 18:52.55 | GnancyWK | hehe |
| 18:52.57 | sylvanaar | i even gave him an answer |
| 18:53.01 | GnancyWK | i know |
| 18:53.06 | GnancyWK | and quickly as well |
| 18:54.17 | sylvanaar | Saint-N you know you can actually configure it that way |
| 18:55.28 | jme | sylvanaar: last night he was in here ranting about how oRA2 was "raid frames" |
| 18:55.36 | jme | sylvanaar: http://ace.pastey.net/71988 |
| 18:55.43 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 18:55.58 | NightHawkTheSane | you actually pastied that? lol |
| 18:56.05 | jme | NightHawkTheSane: heck yeah i did |
| 18:56.14 | NightHawkTheSane | awesome. |
| 18:56.29 | jme | i should've pasted it in here when he was still here, too |
| 18:56.51 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r45446 10Joker/LibJokerHook-1.0/LibJokerHook-1.0.lua: LibJokerHook-1.0 - add documentation |
| 18:56.53 | sylvanaar | lol, i wasnt even rude - i just said it didnt make much sense what he was saying |
| 18:57.04 | jme | sylvanaar: exactly |
| 18:57.12 | Saint-N | sylvanaar: heh i was kidding, but really? i can make prat sctl stype my chat frames? |
| 18:57.23 | jme | he takes everything as people being rude |
| 18:57.48 | sylvanaar | actually i am sorta rude - but thats life |
| 18:57.56 | Saint-N | yeah you're a fucking jerk |
| 18:57.58 | jme | and types 8000 really long lines about everything |
| 18:58.00 | jme | and repeats himself |
| 18:58.02 | jme | and repeats himself |
| 18:58.03 | jme | and repeats himself |
| 18:58.05 | jme | ... oh |
| 18:58.09 | Saint-N | but ora IS raid frames |
| 18:58.13 | Saint-N | its got frames |
| 18:58.15 | Saint-N | you use in raids |
| 18:58.19 | Saint-N | thus raid frames ;P |
| 18:58.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Saint-N: nah, sylvanaar's just rude. -i'm- a freaking jerk. asshole. :p |
| 18:58.27 | Saint-N | heh night |
| 19:01.15 | Kaelten | well I have it mailing stuff again but it doesn't seem to actually be mailing anything to the repo |
| 19:01.58 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r45446 10Joker/LibJokerHook-1.0/LibJokerHook-1.0.lua: LibJokerHook-1.0 - add documentation |
| 19:02.32 | Saint-N | its a good thing email is close to instant |
| 19:02.33 | Silowyi | Tornhoof: I have come to the conclusion that table.sort is a sick joke by the lua programmers. It pretty much only works on very very simple tables. |
| 19:02.46 | Saint-N | although someone should get bored and start a snailmail repo commit mailing list |
| 19:02.49 | Saint-N | that would rule |
| 19:03.01 | Saint-N | every week you get a digest of all the commits in the mail |
| 19:03.06 | Saint-N | printed out |
| 19:03.18 | jme | Kaelten: go go |
| 19:03.21 | Kaelten | lol |
| 19:03.26 | Kaelten | Saint-N: I nominate you |
| 19:03.39 | jme | so maybe i'll actually get around to writing an addon someday |
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| 19:04.03 | Saint-N | alright gimme all yer addresses ;P |
| 19:04.12 | jme | Saint-N@gmail.com |
| 19:04.25 | Saint-N | hey! thats not even MY email address |
| 19:04.26 | kenlyric | spam@ftc.gov ? |
| 19:04.27 | Saint-N | heathen |
| 19:04.31 | jme | :S |
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| 19:05.19 | Silowyi | Does anyone know if the info.skill returned by ParserLib is the skill name or skill id? |
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| 19:06.37 | jme | i may end up just leaving work if this subversion mirror with svk takes all afternoon |
| 19:06.50 | jme | which it probably will |
| 19:06.59 | sylvanaar | table.sort? yes it only works on simple tables |
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| 19:07.52 | sylvanaar | with integer keys, because the other kind cant be ordered |
| 19:09.13 | Silowyi | Eff it. I'll worry about sorting the data later :P |
| 19:10.54 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r45446 10Joker/LibJokerHook-1.0/LibJokerHook-1.0.lua: LibJokerHook-1.0 - add documentation |
| 19:11.41 | Kaelten | :S |
| 19:12.10 | jme | heh, i want to write an addon, but i can't do anything to test it at work :( |
| 19:12.29 | Kaelten | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.17 | jme | i wish work involved playing wow all day |
| 19:13.21 | jme | or writing addons for it all day |
| 19:13.25 | jme | wtb that job |
| 19:13.30 | buu | Move to china |
| 19:13.33 | yacoob | jme, do you really need *all* of the versions, *all* of the branches? |
| 19:13.41 | jme | yacoob: yeah, that's how SVK mirrors things |
| 19:14.01 | yacoob | jme, I know how it works, but I'm asking whether you really need everything... :) |
| 19:14.06 | jme | yacoob: ah |
| 19:14.06 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather nohappy |
| 19:14.08 | yacoob | you may ask for only a subset |
| 19:14.11 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Nohappy, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (33/23/5). 9433 HP; 7142 Armour; 1428 AP; 205 Melee DPS; 24.85% melee crit; 51 melee hit; 8.58% dodge; 5.2% block; 50 resilience; [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/295w4z ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2ud889 ]] |
| 19:14.14 | jme | yacoob: interesting |
| 19:14.17 | yacoob | (AFAIR) |
| 19:14.53 | jme | yacoob: you think it's possibble to check out the most recent revisions of everything, make patches against that, and update from there? |
| 19:14.54 | yacoob | poke the svkbook, but I'm pretty sure there was a possiblity of having only a part of tree (both namespace and time-wise) |
| 19:14.57 | jme | err, possible |
| 19:15.08 | jme | stupid ssh lag |
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| 19:15.21 | jme | yacoob: aight, i'll look into it |
| 19:15.28 | yacoob | jme, but basically, do you really need *svk*? |
| 19:15.32 | yacoob | perhaps svn would be fine? |
| 19:15.48 | yacoob | (like, only working copy, no local repo with history) |
| 19:16.21 | jme | yacoob: well, we have modifications against the upstream source, but we want to still be able to get updates from the upstream |
| 19:16.34 | jme | afaik svk is the only thing that will let us do that |
| 19:16.50 | durcyn | git |
| 19:17.09 | yacoob | hm... not sure, but I think I saw something like that with svn... |
| 19:17.10 | jme | yacoob: as in.. check out most recent source, apply our local patch to it |
| 19:17.19 | jme | and if the source is updated, update the patch |
| 19:23.07 | Pkekyo | christ, some rogue saying The Sun Eater is the best available offhand to him... 22 stam and 1% dodge >.< |
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| 19:24.02 | jme | ugh |
| 19:24.20 | Bejitt | Kaelten: can we get subpages on the root wiki namespace? <3 |
| 19:24.22 | jme | in like the amount of times it has taken me to clear kara up to haflway through revered, i haven't seen half my crap drop at all |
| 19:24.30 | jme | with the exception of NS, prince, and NB |
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| 19:24.59 | CIA-14 | 03borlox * r46130 10Knowledge-1.0/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 19:24.59 | CIA-14 | Knowledge-1.0: |
| 19:24.59 | CIA-14 | - A library to add categories, subcategories and articles to the Knowledge Base. |
| 19:24.59 | CIA-14 | - Inspired by HelpLib (by |
| 19:24.59 | CIA-14 | Guillotine) |
| 19:25.00 | CIA-14 | - initial commit |
| 19:25.06 | sylvanaar | Silowyi theres code to sort stuff in ACP and Prat, you can copy it from one of those |
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| 19:25.58 | sylvanaar | there is also a orderedpairs() function, but its not finished i think |
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| 19:26.55 | Bejitt | Kaelten: also: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Special:Wantedpages <- boom |
| 19:27.10 | sylvanaar | wait you can add shit to the in-game knowledgebase? |
| 19:28.06 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46131 10Recount/ (GUI_Detail.lua Recount_Modes.lua Tracker.lua): |
| 19:28.06 | CIA-14 | Recount - Bug fix relating to pets |
| 19:28.06 | CIA-14 | - Added a decimal to percents in details |
| 19:30.51 | CIA-14 | 03borlox * r46132 10Knowledge-1.0/ (. Knowledge-1.0/Knowledge-1.0.lua): |
| 19:30.51 | CIA-14 | Knowledge-1.0: |
| 19:30.51 | CIA-14 | - removed debug messages |
| 19:30.51 | CIA-14 | - fixed externals |
| 19:30.56 | CIA-14 | 03athou * r46133 10FuBar_RaidBuffFu/FuBar_RaidBuffFu.lua: |
| 19:30.56 | CIA-14 | FuBar_RaidBuffFu: |
| 19:30.56 | CIA-14 | - possible performance tweak |
| 19:31.30 | jme | <CIA-14> - installed NOS sticker |
| 19:31.58 | Cryect | I was hoping for VTec |
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| 19:32.45 | jme | i should stop looking at bosskillers.com at work.. you just know someone is going to see that in the log and flip out |
| 19:33.09 | ulic | :) |
| 19:33.28 | NightHawkTheSane | oh ffs. i hate goddamn xsds |
| 19:34.05 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, no, i don't mind xsds. I mind obnoxious developers who write xml documents that I swear are purposefully designed to give me headaches. |
| 19:36.28 | sylvanaar | heres another way /alias ct1hide /prat chattabs individual chat1 Hidden |
| 19:36.44 | Xinhuan | table.sort only works on numeric indexed tables (from 1 to N, where N+1 is the first nil value in the table). |
| 19:37.01 | sylvanaar | ok |
| 19:37.07 | clad|afk | why do we need another library to add stuff to the knowledge base, if Guillotine already wrote one? |
| 19:37.14 | Xinhuan | you can supply a custom function that returns true or false for the value inputs "a < b" |
| 19:37.29 | Xinhuan | that does sorting |
| 19:37.30 | durcyn | clad|afk: "because i can't get the other one through WAU waaaaah" |
| 19:37.34 | durcyn | or something of that sort |
| 19:37.43 | clad|afk | durcyn: *forehead* |
| 19:37.43 | sylvanaar | what does that mean |
| 19:38.07 | Xinhuan | table.sort(yourtable, yourfunction) |
| 19:38.12 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, knowledge base, wha? |
| 19:38.16 | durcyn | clad|afk: say what you will (and i'll agree with you) that's why half of the crap on svn is on svn |
| 19:38.23 | Xinhuan | function yourfunction(a, b) return a < b; end |
| 19:38.43 | clad|afk | lol, we are borg |
| 19:38.54 | Xinhuan | the function returns a value, true or false, where the default is that it is supposed to return TRUE if a is smaller than b (sorted earlier in the table) |
| 19:39.05 | Xinhuan | a and b being the values in the table |
| 19:39.58 | NeoTron | jme: lol (re bosskillers) |
| 19:40.03 | Xinhuan | function yourfunction(a, b) return a > b; end <-- if you change that, then you get a result table that is sorted from largest to smallest |
| 19:40.14 | Amadeo | Voice chat is coming to PTR very soon |
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| 19:40.27 | Xinhuan | so you can do stuff depending on what a and b is |
| 19:40.48 | jme | NeoTron: :P |
| 19:40.53 | Xinhuan | for eg if a and b are itemIDs, you can return GetItemInfo(a) < GetItemInfo(b) |
| 19:40.53 | Xinhuan | to sort them by name |
| 19:41.04 | Xinhuan | assuming both items exist in the cache |
| 19:42.15 | Xinhuan | or if a and b are tables, you can do stuff like "return a.name < b.name" |
| 19:46.09 | Xinhuan | you cannot sort a table by keys. only way to do that is to make a new numeric indexed table with the values as the keys you want to sort, sort that, then use the sorted keys table to point to the actual table you wanted sorted by keys |
| 19:47.47 | Xinhuan | if you want to avoid that, the only way you can do is to change your original table structure so that it has numeric indexes. and the values being tables containing the data, which you can use to sort in a sort function |
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| 19:52.11 | Xinhuan | * Dueling players may not use a Lightwell that they didn't create themselves. [Damn! There goes one of Lightwell's few uses.] |
| 19:52.16 | Xinhuan | HAHAHA at PTR patch notes |
| 19:53.08 | Xinhuan | that's from WoR btw |
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| 19:54.17 | Amadeo | Where'd you get the patch notes? |
| 19:54.24 | Xinhuan | worldofraids.com |
| 19:54.32 | Amadeo | is this for the patch they're putting up now? |
| 19:54.43 | Xinhuan | its a ptr patch that enables voice chat for PTR testing |
| 19:54.50 | Amadeo | nice |
| 19:55.03 | Xinhuan | * Voice Chat - The new Voice Chat feature is now available in game. Players will need to go into the options menu under Sound & Voice to activate it. Volume sliders are available for the microphone, speakers, and game-audio fade (which automatically lowers the game audio |
| 19:55.06 | Amadeo | I wonder how they got the notes already |
| 19:55.09 | Xinhuan | when a voice communication is received), as is a "push-to-talk" setting. Right-clicking on a player's name now includes the option to mute or unmute that player. Muting another player blocks all voice chat from him or her; the ignore feature now blocks both voice chat and text chat from that player. |
| 19:55.28 | Xinhuan | * Chat Channels- New Chat Channel controls and functionality are now available under the chat tab in the Social Window of the interface. The interface will now show the channels players are in or are available, depending on the area of the world they are in, along with new private channel controls. |
| 19:55.39 | Xinhuan | * A new feature for reporting players as being AFK in battlegrounds by right clicking has been added. When enough reports are registered, a 30 second debuff will begin to count down. Once the timer is up a new debuff will appear that will prevent the player from gaining any honor while it is on. This debuff can be negated as soon as the player engages in combat. |
| 19:55.46 | Xinhuan | tsktsk afkers |
| 19:56.03 | Amadeo | that won't do anything though |
| 19:56.08 | jme | wall of text crits #wowace for 189213 |
| 19:56.10 | jme | #wowace dies |
| 19:56.23 | Xinhuan | it's enough to prevent botting to gain honor points |
| 19:56.26 | Amadeo | They'll just spawn at graveyards, shoot someone, then afk |
| 19:56.28 | Amadeo | instead of jumping |
| 19:56.30 | Xinhuan | at least, simple botting |
| 19:56.52 | Amadeo | I hope it works out |
| 19:56.52 | Xinhuan | if the use wants to bot overnight and still gain honor, they will have to put in a lot more work |
| 19:56.59 | Xinhuan | on their mouseclick scripts |
| 19:57.10 | vithos | engage in combat = afk in harpy cave? |
| 19:57.30 | Xinhuan | vithos: how would you stay in combat? |
| 19:57.35 | Jaxon | FD lasts for six minutes... |
| 19:57.37 | Amadeo | Hopefully the reports also notify GMs so they can look into the players also |
| 19:57.44 | Xinhuan | and how would you make a bot enter combat? |
| 19:57.52 | Xinhuan | its not that simple |
| 19:57.56 | snurre | it's pvp combat only though, from what I gathered |
| 19:57.58 | Amadeo | You enter combat when someone attacks you |
| 19:57.59 | vithos | you wouldn't stay in combat, but that's what you'd do instead of tapping jump |
| 19:58.08 | vithos | in the case of non-botting afkers |
| 19:58.14 | vithos | which is probably the majority? |
| 19:58.24 | Xinhuan | lets say you turned on a bot. you zone into a BG. what do you tell your bot to do to enter combat and gain honor? |
| 19:58.41 | yacoob | "Bot! Go!!!" |
| 19:58.43 | alext | walk down a hil |
| 19:58.46 | Amadeo | There's no more spawning in the caves in AV until there's no more to do |
| 19:58.47 | snurre | if you turn on a bot, youre fucked anyway.. hello permaban :p |
| 19:58.48 | alext | and kill a npc mob |
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| 19:58.57 | Xinhuan | the notes didn't say anything about spawning in GYs |
| 19:59.02 | Xinhuan | it only said you can report players |
| 19:59.06 | yacoob | but seriously, Xinhuan mobs would do |
| 19:59.09 | Xinhuan | so i assume you will still spawn in the cave |
| 19:59.16 | Amadeo | for now I guess |
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| 19:59.40 | Xinhuan | yep but its still going to be pretty difficult to script a bot to walk into a mob |
| 19:59.45 | Xinhuan | and stay in combat |
| 19:59.56 | vithos | the harpy's respawn right? |
| 19:59.58 | Amadeo | you could probably enter combat as easily as just constantly walking forward |
| 20:00.01 | Xinhuan | it won't eliminate botting |
| 20:00.04 | Amadeo | and eventually you'll run into someone or mobs |
| 20:00.06 | Xinhuan | but it will reduce it a lot |
| 20:00.06 | Amadeo | or someone will find you |
| 20:00.08 | snurre | PvE combat won't help |
| 20:00.18 | vithos | you could run to the harpy cave, then bot combat with the same harpy over and over |
| 20:00.19 | alext | if your a warlock, using dark pact actually puts you in combat for a few seconds |
| 20:00.19 | Xinhuan | well if you keep walking forward, the behavior is very noticable for reporting isn't it? |
| 20:00.26 | alext | so thats a workaround for botting a lock |
| 20:00.32 | Amadeo | Xinhuan: So is sitting in the cave and jumping :P |
| 20:00.44 | Xinhuan | :o |
| 20:01.08 | Xinhuan | you realise most people don't even jump in a cave |
| 20:01.11 | Silowyi | maybe I'm missing something here but why doesn't Crayon-2.0 include Blue? It has Red and Green |
| 20:01.17 | Xinhuan | a simple mouse click on something like "escape artist" is enough |
| 20:01.22 | snurre | how it works, simply put: you have to be on a hostile player's threat list in order to lose the debuff |
| 20:01.32 | Xinhuan | you tell the server to cast "escape artist" which casts nothing since you aren't debuffed. |
| 20:01.45 | Xinhuan | and that's enough to the server that you aren't afk |
| 20:01.52 | Amadeo | snurre: So you have to deal damage to them, not just them kill you? |
| 20:02.10 | snurre | if you are in combat with them, youll be at 0 threat, but still on the list |
| 20:02.19 | Jaxon | I guess PT3Bar can't set priorities when you are using PT3Sets :( |
| 20:02.23 | Amadeo | so it's not really going to help that much |
| 20:02.44 | Amadeo | people will kill the afkers for free honor, which will help the afkers get honor |
| 20:02.57 | Xinhuan | dont' think we know the specifics, but this is still a step in the right direction |
| 20:03.01 | vithos | do that many people really bot? i don't actually PvP more than once every couple weeks |
| 20:03.07 | snurre | do people focus on the afk'ers now? |
| 20:03.10 | Amadeo | vithos: In AV they do, it's pretty sick |
| 20:03.15 | Xinhuan | it doesn't negate honor |
| 20:03.19 | Xinhuan | you simply don't get it at all |
| 20:03.22 | jme | snurre: i've seen it |
| 20:03.27 | Amadeo | snurre: Not in AV at the moment, since you can't...but in the future when you don't spawn in caves, they will |
| 20:03.31 | vithos | how do you know they're botting and not just coming by and tapping space every now and then manually? |
| 20:03.45 | alext | i have buds that work a 8-5 job, and their logged into wow the whole time and every 10-15 minutes they ALT-TAB and jump |
| 20:03.47 | alext | then go back to work |
| 20:03.49 | Amadeo | but I know if I see someone not doing anything, I'm going to kill them |
| 20:03.49 | Silowyi | I just have nightmares of people marking others as afk right before Drek dies, out of some sick griefing thing. |
| 20:03.49 | jme | vithos: you talk to them? |
| 20:03.51 | Xinhuan | because, i once logged in at 5 am and saw 17 ppl online - either in AV or in darnassus/exodar |
| 20:03.51 | alext | i assume many people do the same thing |
| 20:03.53 | Bejitt | Silowyi: Blue is chromatically opposite of silver, which is neutral, making blue completely one-sided |
| 20:04.01 | Xinhuan | and usually there are only 2-3 ppl online at 5am |
| 20:04.09 | jme | we recently gbooted someone for afking in AV all the time |
| 20:04.14 | snurre | in that case, im quite sure the devs have taken that into consideration and limited it to at least 1 threat or something, so you actually have to do *something* |
| 20:04.23 | Xinhuan | its pretty obvious when they don't answer guild chat |
| 20:04.23 | Amadeo | snurre: Yeah, I think that's the way it should be |
| 20:04.29 | jme | Xinhuan: exactly |
| 20:04.33 | snurre | so that its not removed the instant you are in combat, but rather like the honorless target thing |
| 20:04.36 | Silowyi | Bejitt: in English? |
| 20:04.45 | Bejitt | Silowyi: it was a joke |
| 20:04.47 | Xinhuan | and you can't boot 17 ppl from your guild, at least not without disbanding it lol |
| 20:04.57 | Bejitt | i have no clue why it isnt there |
| 20:05.06 | Amadeo | snurre: Right, kind of like on a PvE server you can unflag if you're at the end of your timer and not fighting back |
| 20:05.20 | Silowyi | Bejitt: ah, ok, I thought you were serious, and was like... huh? |
| 20:05.24 | Bejitt | haha |
| 20:05.44 | Xinhuan | it'll probably be implemented like the Honorless Target buff |
| 20:05.46 | Bejitt | actually, it isnt chromatically opposite silver... i just wanted to make that joke ;o |
| 20:05.59 | Xinhuan | where if you dont perform an action that causes threat, the debuff will stay on you |
| 20:06.08 | vithos | your yellow=silver humor is lost on me |
| 20:06.15 | Bejitt | SHHHH |
| 20:06.17 | Bejitt | hush ;p |
| 20:06.33 | Silowyi | I don't afk in AV but I have found a way to contribute without losing my job |
| 20:06.35 | Bejitt | yellow isnt neutral |
| 20:06.51 | Silowyi | when the queue pops, I take the Irondeep mine, then I head down and guard the Stormpike Graveyard |
| 20:06.52 | vithos | yellow at 0 saturation is! |
| 20:07.06 | vithos | HS(V/B) ftw! |
| 20:07.07 | Bejitt | haha |
| 20:07.10 | Silowyi | usually this gives me about 20 minutes to focus on work before the horde gets to SPGY |
| 20:07.14 | Xinhuan | Silowyi: that isn't exactly doing nothing though ;p |
| 20:07.24 | Xinhuan | and not very bottable |
| 20:07.28 | Fisker- | can i disable tooltips on unitframes? |
| 20:07.31 | Fisker- | with cowtip |
| 20:07.34 | Silowyi | oh no, its not bottable, or even really afking |
| 20:07.53 | Xinhuan | sometimes, you just want to sit there and do nothing, because your brain is exhausted ;p |
| 20:07.54 | Silowyi | but it is a way to farm honor in AV without much effort |
| 20:09.11 | Silowyi | at least alliance side, dunno about horde |
| 20:09.41 | Silowyi | the horde doesn't usually take SPAS... but the alliance almost always takes FWGY/RH |
| 20:10.13 | Xinhuan | on my BG, the alliance wins 90% of the AVs |
| 20:10.13 | Kaelten | did someone ping me? |
| 20:10.14 | xyu | i blame it on alliance having all their elites in side their base |
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| 20:10.19 | jme | Xinhuan: same |
| 20:10.20 | xyu | while horde have all their elites spread out outside |
| 20:10.22 | Silowyi | Xinhuan: on all BGs |
| 20:10.33 | xyu | alliance can just run right to RH |
| 20:10.34 | xyu | pull guards |
| 20:10.35 | xyu | cap |
| 20:10.35 | Xinhuan | the alliance on my BG actually has a "tactic" though |
| 20:10.48 | Silowyi | its easy to avoid the elites in Dun Baldur |
| 20:10.51 | xyu | horde, if they're not careful, have to kill blacksmith, stable master, etc. |
| 20:10.59 | Xinhuan | and the tactic for my BG is to ALWAYS allow the horde to capture Stonehearth GY |
| 20:11.02 | Silowyi | not "as" easy, but still easy |
| 20:11.11 | snurre | pre-AB days with premade AV teams was fun :p |
| 20:11.21 | xyu | i liked zerg vs zerg personally :D |
| 20:11.22 | Xinhuan | because by doing so, the horde will be concentrated at Stonehearth GY, and so very few horde will be defending iceblood/frostwolf GYs |
| 20:11.24 | xyu | at least it was "pvp" |
| 20:11.30 | Silowyi | We let the horde capture SH if they have less than 20 people afk... usually they don't. |
| 20:11.30 | Xinhuan | and for some reason, it always works |
| 20:11.46 | xyu | any time horde mount any sort of defense worth a damn |
| 20:11.48 | xyu | we pull off a win |
| 20:11.50 | xyu | (horde) |
| 20:11.51 | Xinhuan | if for some reason, some guy decides to defend SH GY, then the game will end up lasting twice as long |
| 20:11.56 | Xinhuan | and everyone will bitch at the SH defender |
| 20:11.57 | Xinhuan | for being a nub |
| 20:12.05 | Xinhuan | and it turns out into a slugfest on /bg |
| 20:12.08 | Silowyi | The reasoning is actually pretty simple |
| 20:12.13 | jme | we won a bunch of times last weekend |
| 20:12.18 | jme | <- horde |
| 20:12.22 | xyu | same |
| 20:12.35 | xyu | because we had some D |
| 20:12.36 | Xinhuan | last AV weekend last week had so much botters |
| 20:12.37 | Xinhuan | zz |
| 20:12.53 | jme | does the BG weekend start tonight? |
| 20:12.54 | Silowyi | If you assume that 95% of the players in AV have no concept of tactics or cooperation, the battleground layout favors alliance. |
| 20:12.56 | jme | or does it always start fridays |
| 20:13.00 | jme | i keep forgetting |
| 20:13.23 | Xinhuan | its not just that though, its also the fact that |
| 20:13.31 | Silowyi | against two teams that DO understand tactics and cooperation, the BG is more or less well balanced. |
| 20:13.34 | Xinhuan | horde has already "accepted" that they will lose 90% of the time |
| 20:13.38 | Xinhuan | and will prefer to AFK and lose |
| 20:13.41 | Xinhuan | rather than fight and lose |
| 20:13.43 | Silowyi | There's that |
| 20:13.51 | jme | yeah, we tend to have that mentality a lot |
| 20:13.53 | jme | until AV weekend |
| 20:13.56 | xyu | we win on AV weekend |
| 20:14.01 | xyu | other than that, no |
| 20:14.11 | buu | Afkaves For the win! |
| 20:14.18 | Silowyi | The horde in my BG only wins on AV weekend if at least 5 people from the same guild are grouped together. |
| 20:14.19 | buu | They just need to make the honor system not fucking suck. |
| 20:14.32 | buu | Because that would be awesome. |
| 20:15.23 | Xinhuan | well did you think the pre 1.10 honor system was better? |
| 20:15.35 | xyu | i liked it when you had to loot shit to get honor :P |
| 20:15.36 | Silowyi | The main problem with the honor system imo is its all time = reward. Of course, arguments could be made that WoW as a whole is such. |
| 20:15.39 | xyu | Every man for himself |
| 20:15.44 | xyu | I'd loot everyone's kills |
| 20:15.57 | xyu | not this "global turn in honor" |
| 20:15.59 | Amadeo | When did you have to do that? |
| 20:16.09 | xyu | the first AV |
| 20:16.19 | Amadeo | Oh, you mean BG honor |
| 20:16.20 | xyu | was each individual person had to loot things |
| 20:16.24 | xyu | yea |
| 20:16.29 | Amadeo | I was thinking of when the honor system was added, before BGs |
| 20:16.35 | xyu | oh |
| 20:16.42 | xyu | south shore tarren mill zergs? |
| 20:16.45 | Amadeo | yep |
| 20:16.48 | Amadeo | those were the days |
| 20:16.53 | xyu | yep |
| 20:16.54 | xyu | i was a mage :P |
| 20:16.56 | xyu | aoe goodness |
| 20:16.58 | Amadeo | Priest |
| 20:17.04 | Amadeo | I sent the Mages in while I healed them :P |
| 20:17.23 | Xinhuan | [8/10 04:16:13] <Silowyi> The main problem with the honor system imo is its all time = reward. Of course, arguments could be made that WoW as a whole is such. |
| 20:17.30 | xyu | my lifetime kills are so skewed because of southshore |
| 20:17.34 | Xinhuan | well i seriously wouldn't really play a MMO that didn't reward time with reward |
| 20:17.51 | Xinhuan | a player that plays 1 hour a day shouldn't be at the level at the player that plays 10 hours a day |
| 20:17.55 | Silowyi | Xinhuan: contrast it with the arena system though. |
| 20:17.56 | xyu | i would |
| 20:18.02 | xyu | if it did skill = reward |
| 20:18.04 | Xinhuan | commitment and time spent has to count for something, even if ina minor way |
| 20:18.09 | Amadeo | Xinhuan: Depends if the 1 hour player is better or not :) |
| 20:18.30 | Xinhuan | the arena system does reward time with reward |
| 20:18.37 | xyu | that's why God invented Macroes |
| 20:18.44 | Xinhuan | and that's basically the accumulation of arena points being the reward |
| 20:18.54 | xyu | so that anyone can be commited! |
| 20:19.01 | Silowyi | Only transiently. Especially when they add rating reqs to weapons. |
| 20:19.02 | Kaelten | looks like google is back up |
| 20:19.13 | Xinhuan | 1900 isn't particularly hard to reach though |
| 20:19.14 | xyu | yeah i can't wait for that |
| 20:19.20 | Xinhuan | with a decent class makeup |
| 20:19.22 | Silowyi | The arena system also rewards skill much more than time. |
| 20:19.23 | Amadeo | Kaelten: it was down? |
| 20:19.28 | Xinhuan | and good vent communication |
| 20:19.28 | xyu | yeah but people w/ 1400 |
| 20:19.31 | Kaelten | well the wowace googlegroup? |
| 20:19.33 | Amadeo | ohh |
| 20:19.34 | xyu | shouldn't have merciless |
| 20:19.54 | Amadeo | I dunno, I think WoW PvP just rewards the geared, and once the geared are together, then it starts to reward skill :P |
| 20:19.55 | Xinhuan | that's why nobody really complains about the arena system |
| 20:20.10 | Xinhuan | people complain about the class balance and the gear balance |
| 20:20.14 | Saint-N | http://www.grupthink.com/topic/22 |
| 20:20.15 | Xinhuan | because the arena system is fine |
| 20:20.23 | Silowyi | One of the big problems, that will only be exacerbated over time, is that it is VERY HARD for new lvl 70s to break into the current arena system. |
| 20:20.35 | Xinhuan | not too hard |
| 20:20.36 | Amadeo | It's about to be much harder |
| 20:20.42 | Amadeo | because of rating limitations on Arena items |
| 20:20.48 | Xinhuan | because S1 gear will be available for honor points |
| 20:20.51 | Xinhuan | in S3 |
| 20:21.03 | Amadeo | which means S1 can't compete |
| 20:21.06 | xyu | well people should be able to get kara gear and do "ok" |
| 20:21.08 | Xinhuan | if youre skilled, you're still going to rack up 1000 arena points a week |
| 20:21.09 | Silowyi | The resillience and stamina on arena armor means that a team with even season one gear can easily steamroll startup teams. |
| 20:21.11 | Xinhuan | at 1900+ ratings |
| 20:21.27 | Xinhuan | and in 2 months, you'll have 8k points = almost a full set |
| 20:21.55 | Xinhuan | with lousier gear, you obviously won't beat the 2000+ teams, but you'll be ahead after 2 months |
| 20:21.57 | xyu | but class make up is so important in arenas, :( |
| 20:22.00 | xyu | i hate that |
| 20:22.02 | Silowyi | I dunno how it is in your battlegroup but in mine we're facing teams with 3-4 merciless at the 1500-1600 block. |
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| 20:22.07 | Xinhuan | but that's why i like the time = reward part about the arena |
| 20:22.22 | Xinhuan | if you had participated earlier in prev season arenas, that's reward |
| 20:22.26 | Xinhuan | and keeps you ahead |
| 20:22.30 | Silowyi | Hell my mage is almost in full merciless gear in a rating 1611 team. |
| 20:22.58 | xyu | i just got my mage all of the veteran gear |
| 20:23.01 | xyu | in 1 av weekend :D |
| 20:23.09 | Darque | Could anyone in here let me know what lines in the LUA code I should be looking at in ag_unitframes to add some custom spells to the buff filter (ie: Mortal Strike) |
| 20:24.42 | Silowyi | "There was a frickin rock in my cereal... |
| 20:24.54 | Silowyi | an actual, honest to goodness rock. |
| 20:24.59 | Silowyi | wtf |
| 20:25.09 | kenlyric | quarry? |
| 20:25.28 | Silowyi | It was a new box! Sealed! |
| 20:25.38 | kenlyric | of quarry? |
| 20:25.59 | kenlyric | http://snltranscripts.jt.org/76/76hquarry.phtml |
| 20:26.19 | Silowyi | intriguing, but no |
| 20:26.24 | kenlyric | Better tasting 'cause it's mined. |
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| 20:28.36 | jme | Auto-merging (4862, 4862) /symfony/trunk to /local/trunk (base /symfony/trunk:4862). |
| 20:28.39 | jme | Empty merge. |
| 20:28.40 | jme | fail. |
| 20:28.41 | Silowyi | Actually I think we're 1570 right now because our team leader invited a raid specced holy priest with no res gear. |
| 20:28.59 | jme | grr |
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| 20:29.31 | jme | perhaps that only displays output if there's something to actually merge. |
| 20:29.34 | jme | :O |
| 20:29.49 | Silowyi | is their an api reference bot in the channel...? |
| 20:30.09 | jme | yeah, i think the command is !api or something |
| 20:30.22 | Silowyi | !api GetSkill |
| 20:30.23 | ThraeBot | Silowyi: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSkill |
| 20:30.27 | Silowyi | hmm |
| 20:30.34 | Silowyi | apparently needs the full name |
| 20:31.14 | Silowyi | !api GetSkillLineInfo |
| 20:31.16 | ThraeBot | Silowyi: skillName, isHeader, isExpanded, skillRank, numTempPoints, skillModifier, skillMaxRank, isAbandonable, stepCost, rankCost, minLevel, skillCostType, skillDescription = GetSkillLineInfo(skillIndex) -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSkillLineInfo |
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| 20:34.06 | Silowyi | does anyone here use ParserLib or have documenation for it? I'm trying to figure out what info.skill has for possible values |
| 20:35.02 | Xinhuan | did you get everything i said about table.sort earlier btw ;p |
| 20:35.20 | Silowyi | Xinhuan: probably, I just decided not to bother sorting :P |
| 20:35.49 | Xinhuan | its not that difficult, just a small function |
| 20:36.14 | Xinhuan | you can sort a table by its keys, if the values itself contains a copy of the key |
| 20:36.21 | Xinhuan | (i.e a table) |
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| 20:36.46 | Silowyi | not exactly sure I follow |
| 20:37.20 | Xinhuan | lets say you have a table called xyz[keys] |
| 20:37.26 | Xinhuan | nvm lol! |
| 20:38.34 | Xinhuan | making food |
| 20:38.36 | Xinhuan | bbl |
| 20:39.28 | Kaelten | ~seen Mikk |
| 20:39.33 | purl | mikk <n=opera@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 11d 8h 46m 1s ago, saying: 'wow bootloader .. muaha'. |
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| 20:45.25 | ckknight | hey all |
| 20:45.29 | Xinhuan | hi |
| 20:45.37 | durcyn | howdy ck |
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| 20:55.52 | Hjalte | Cryect, is there any way to copy eg cause of death from Recount windows to chatlog to show that idiot noob priest that he DID get killed by arcane explosion? |
| 20:56.41 | Xinhuan | use a combat log parsing addon ;p |
| 20:56.49 | Xinhuan | such as Expiration |
| 21:00.22 | [gk]Ossy | just report it Hjalte? |
| 21:00.53 | Hjalte | Ah.. Yeah. I havent played much with the report feature. Thanks. |
| 21:01.15 | [gk]Ossy | yw |
| 21:02.57 | Silowyi | hrrn |
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| 21:06.39 | BankZ | so, what do you guys recommend, WITH or WITHOUT externals? |
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| 21:15.11 | Silowyi | http://ace.pastey.net/72002 what am I doing wrong here? |
| 21:15.56 | Silowyi | I keep getting: AceConsole-2.0: Argument #2 to `RegisterChatCommand' must include at least one string. |
| 21:18.12 | Silowyi | anyone? |
| 21:23.01 | Athou | i'd say try self: instead of self. |
| 21:23.39 | Silowyi | "viola!" |
| 21:23.44 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46134 10Recount/healbuffs.lua: Recount - Minor change to POM tracking |
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| 21:27.42 | alb | so what damagemeter is the new rage? sws still reign supreme? |
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| 21:30.04 | Ominous__ | crap |
| 21:30.10 | Ominous__ | oops mt |
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| 21:31.10 | BankZ | Is recount a pig? |
| 21:31.42 | Kain | i wish recount didnt bug out all the time i love it otherwise |
| 21:32.00 | BankZ | is was taking over 60m of mem last night |
| 21:32.03 | BankZ | that normal? |
| 21:35.56 | Chompers | were you doing pvp BankZ |
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| 21:42.02 | Pkekyo | someone post me quick taccs for Curator in kara please? |
| 21:42.53 | haste | http://www.wowwiki.com/Curator#Strategy_overview |
| 21:43.01 | xyu | spread out, dps little sparklys |
| 21:43.06 | xyu | Dps curator during evo |
| 21:43.07 | xyu | loot |
| 21:43.27 | BankZ | Chompers: nope, raid |
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| 21:44.00 | Keias | Pkekyo: best advice I could give |
| 21:44.05 | jme | curator is like free T4 |
| 21:44.11 | Keias | Is make sure the DPS stays on the sparks until they're gone |
| 21:44.15 | jme | yes |
| 21:44.19 | Keias | Don't jump right at him during evo, the sparks will eat you guys up |
| 21:44.24 | jme | every single spark must be gone before he evos |
| 21:44.48 | jme | for some reason we tend to have one spark left after he evos... if you kill them fast enough you shouldn't |
| 21:44.53 | Kain | curator easy mode macro |
| 21:44.58 | jme | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.16 | jme | i just tab target though |
| 21:45.25 | Kain | hmm weird i guess i can only say something every so often |
| 21:45.31 | jme | what? |
| 21:45.42 | Kain | but yeah /target ast /cast spellyouuseallthetime |
| 21:45.55 | Kain | ooo i need to put a space before the / command it hink LOL |
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| 21:46.04 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 21:46.04 | jme | :P |
| 21:46.11 | durcyn | just put a healer in the hateful-bolt or whatever assist healing, the end |
| 21:46.41 | Kain | or if you have lots of mana to spare u can put /target cur at the top of the macro and attack him whenever there is no add up... ie scorch mages |
| 21:47.01 | jme | i keep my pet on curator all the time |
| 21:47.20 | Kain | nice :-D |
| 21:47.32 | alb | hold down ctrl while typing / |
| 21:47.34 | alb | / |
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| 21:47.38 | xyu | you can time curse of doom correctly too |
| 21:47.41 | xyu | so it lands during evo |
| 21:47.42 | jme | and when he evos i just pop TBW |
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| 21:48.16 | Kain | doh forgot trilian will close out the window if i hit escape |
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| 21:49.32 | Keias | Anyone know of any Battleground mods that auto queue/join/leave options? |
| 21:49.54 | jme | no... |
| 21:50.01 | Punkie` | Kain: hehe, my hand eye coordination seems spot on in most games, but when i go to click an IRC tab I somehow hit the 'X' to close that tab :P |
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| 21:50.10 | xyu | "Smart Queue" |
| 21:50.10 | xyu | will do it |
| 21:50.16 | Keias | ok, thanks :) |
| 21:50.24 | Kain | lol |
| 21:50.50 | Kain | i like closing a whole window of tabs in firefox when i have 40 or so tabs open |
| 21:51.01 | Kain | when i ment to close the active one |
| 21:51.26 | xyu | i used to do that |
| 21:51.31 | CIA-14 | 03elkano * r46135 10InventoryLib/InventoryLib-2.0/InventoryLib-2.0.lua: |
| 21:51.31 | CIA-14 | InventoryLib: |
| 21:51.31 | CIA-14 | - rewrote sharing algorithm |
| 21:51.31 | CIA-14 | - TODO: reduce messages sent to group to 1 |
| 21:51.32 | Punkie` | does it restart all your tabs? |
| 21:51.39 | xyu | nope |
| 21:51.44 | xyu | since you closed it yourself |
| 21:51.49 | Punkie` | owned |
| 21:51.51 | Punkie` | get Opera |
| 21:52.02 | Punkie` | it saves all your tabs if you close it |
| 21:52.06 | Punkie` | for next time |
| 21:52.16 | Keias | I used to love Opera |
| 21:52.19 | Punkie` | and you can use it for IRC out of the box, winrar |
| 21:52.21 | xyu | My old firefox used to always keep the active tab closing X in the rigth corner. no matter how many tabs i had open |
| 21:52.22 | Keias | Until I visited the armory site |
| 21:52.25 | xyu | now each tab has it's own X |
| 21:52.27 | xyu | and it's annoying :( |
| 21:52.45 | Punkie` | Keias: The armory site is supposed to be opera compliant :P |
| 21:53.14 | Gngsk | ctrl+F4 |
| 21:53.16 | Keias | Well it "works" I suppose |
| 21:53.29 | Keias | But Opera starts to eat itself |
| 21:54.23 | Punkie` | Lets face it though, the armory doesn't work well anyway |
| 21:55.30 | Keias | Can't argue that |
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| 21:56.01 | art3mis | opera cant eat itsself |
| 21:56.05 | art3mis | Pop can though |
| 21:56.07 | art3mis | ;) |
| 21:56.16 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 21:56.22 | sb | Cryect: uhm those POM tracking debug messages |
| 21:56.40 | sb | Cryect: i think i had some pet -> player message |
| 21:56.45 | sb | (pet != priest :p) |
| 21:57.26 | Aenslaed | How do you include a whisper in a macro to your current target? |
| 21:58.23 | mikma | err '/w %t you suck' ? |
| 21:58.36 | charon | mikma: that works? |
| 21:58.41 | mikma | no idea :D |
| 21:58.55 | charon | no. |
| 21:59.02 | charon | ./script SendChatMessage("!!! DU HAST DEN KERN !!!", "WHISPER", nil, UnitName("target")); |
| 21:59.20 | charon | that's what some other guy in the raid gave us (for vashj) |
| 22:01.28 | Shirik | you... were whispering vashj? |
| 22:02.06 | Keias | Of course. A woman like that you have to woo with words. |
| 22:02.06 | RaydenUni | servers go down? |
| 22:02.18 | Coruss | you have the core? |
| 22:03.30 | Coruss | '/w target=target you suck' might work |
| 22:03.41 | Shirik | it won't |
| 22:03.52 | Coruss | no? |
| 22:04.01 | Antiarc|Work | No, it won't |
| 22:04.06 | Antiarc|Work | You need to use SendChatMessage |
| 22:04.16 | Coruss | *shrug* I bow before the seniority |
| 22:04.35 | Shirik | Those types of slash commands never had any parsing capability integrated into them, aside from %t and the like |
| 22:04.59 | Aenslaed | charon: thanks |
| 22:10.32 | Antiarc|Work | http://www.cabel.name/images-post/2007/06/snack-cerealstrawback.jpg |
| 22:10.36 | Antiarc|Work | "Approx 6" long" |
| 22:10.40 | Antiarc|Work | (When not soggy) |
| 22:10.48 | Keias | rofl |
| 22:10.49 | Kaelten | um |
| 22:11.04 | mikma | Antiarc|Work: :D |
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| 22:16.31 | sylvanaar | Shirik do you run prat? |
| 22:16.48 | Shirik | presently, no, but usually yes |
| 22:17.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc|Work: lol |
| 22:18.13 | cncfanatics | sigh |
| 22:18.18 | cncfanatics | our raid didnt get curator down |
| 22:18.20 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.36 | Silowyi | what would cause ResetDB to 1. not throw any errors, 2. not delete anything. |
| 22:18.57 | sylvanaar | Shirik oh i just noticed you werent asking a question sry |
| 22:19.14 | Shirik | uh |
| 22:19.33 | Shirik | ok >< |
| 22:20.36 | Silowyi | I'm using self.db.char... for everything... and calling self:ResetDB("char") and I can verify that it is being called, but nothing is actually cleared out of self.db.char. All the values are still there. |
| 22:21.01 | CIA-14 | 03zlovred * r46136 10AlchCheck/ (. Locale/AlchCheck_enUS.lua Locale/AlchCheck_xxXX.lua): |
| 22:21.01 | CIA-14 | AlchCheck: |
| 22:21.01 | CIA-14 | - Fix buff names of consumables. |
| 22:21.36 | ccKep | Windfury Totem has been fixed (for real, this time) so that instant special attacks such as Slam and Sinister Strike will not trigger its extra attacks. On next swing attacks such as Heroic Strike and Cleave will continue to trigger it. |
| 22:21.41 | ccKep | I'm not a warrior but.. since when is slam instant? |
| 22:22.18 | Pkekyo | goddamnit, we can't get Curator down |
| 22:22.19 | Antiarc|Work | It's not instant, but close with Imp Slam |
| 22:22.25 | CIA-14 | 03cryect * r46137 10Recount/Tracker.lua: Recount - Removes debug PoM messages |
| 22:22.28 | Antiarc|Work | Imp Slam is treated as an instant |
| 22:22.35 | Chompers | i think its classed as instant |
| 22:22.36 | ccKep | its 0.5s cast? |
| 22:22.38 | Antiarc|Work | Yeah |
| 22:22.41 | Chompers | rather than, on next hit |
| 22:22.43 | Antiarc|Work | Right. |
| 22:22.46 | ccKep | hate blizz... |
| 22:22.56 | Antiarc|Work | It's an extra special attack, as opposed to a modification of a normal swing. |
| 22:23.10 | Antiarc|Work | Is that a PTR note? |
| 22:23.17 | Antiarc|Work | Our resident warrior-god will be sad. |
| 22:23.17 | ccKep | its in http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=112401942&sid=1&pageNo=6#118 |
| 22:23.21 | ccKep | post 106 |
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| 22:24.02 | cncfanatics | thats gonna nerf dps warrs hard |
| 22:24.19 | ccKep | it just sucks, WF is fine as it is -.- |
| 22:24.33 | Silowyi | Windfury totem not triggering on Sinister Strike is a big one for rogues |
| 22:24.37 | Chompers | hrm |
| 22:24.39 | ccKep | the tooltip for windfury / windfury totem is just plain wrong now |
| 22:24.53 | cncfanatics | rogues just white dmg will trigger it now ? |
| 22:25.00 | Silowyi | and since it didn't even work for druids, ever... |
| 22:25.03 | cncfanatics | pretty much the same for warrs except cleave -.- |
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| 22:25.06 | Silowyi | my dps will now own all!! |
| 22:25.09 | cncfanatics | but now i'm gonna logout |
| 22:25.11 | cncfanatics | cya all |
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| 22:25.17 | ccKep | Imbue the Shaman's weapon with wind. Each hit has a 20% chance of dealing additional damage equal to two extra attacks with 445 extra attack power. |
| 22:25.22 | ccKep | jajajajaja @ 20%.... |
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| 22:25.29 | Silowyi | or maybe I'll be able to convince our shaman to run wrath of air totem :P |
| 22:25.41 | Chompers | i just made my t3 blacksmithing weapon |
| 22:25.41 | Chompers | is mortal strike classed as an instant attack? |
| 22:25.41 | Chompers | + whirlwind |
| 22:25.50 | Silowyi | Mortal Strike is instant |
| 22:26.06 | Chompers | so it'll only proc off auto attacks + heroic strike? holy shit |
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| 22:26.25 | Silowyi | Cleave |
| 22:27.09 | CIA-14 | 03ulic * r46138 10/branches/ClosetGnome/ (18 files in 5 dirs): |
| 22:27.09 | CIA-14 | ClosetGnome: |
| 22:27.09 | CIA-14 | - Initial branches import for playing with some ideas |
| 22:27.11 | Silowyi | ugh this is frustrating |
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| 22:27.19 | Silowyi | why isn't ResetDB working |
| 22:27.35 | Silowyi | :( |
| 22:27.41 | ulic | hmm, did I do something wrong there? all other branches commit I thought there was some red text in there. |
| 22:27.46 | Antiarc|Work | To be honest, it's a bigger nerf for warriors |
| 22:27.53 | Antiarc|Work | It's a very big nerf for warriors |
| 22:28.00 | Silowyi | true |
| 22:28.04 | Chompers | arms warriors mostly |
| 22:28.11 | Silowyi | yup |
| 22:28.18 | Antiarc|Work | No, 2h slam wars. |
| 22:28.24 | Antiarc|Work | Slamming every 1.5 sec procs WF more (and for more damage per WF) than SS every 4 sec. |
| 22:28.35 | Chompers | i'm the only guy in the melee dps group that asks for wf, the rogues ask for air totem |
| 22:28.46 | Antiarc|Work | Your rogues are stupid then -_- |
| 22:28.49 | Silowyi | so now everyone will want air totem! |
| 22:28.55 | Antiarc|Work | Windfury is so much better than GoA, it's silly |
| 22:28.58 | Silowyi | which makes feral druids happy |
| 22:29.19 | Diao | it nerfs spamstring too |
| 22:29.25 | Antiarc|Work | Diao: Which is the point, I think |
| 22:29.30 | Silowyi | in bear form its like 7% dodge, and in kitty form its a truckload of crit and AP. |
| 22:29.36 | Antiarc|Work | hamstring/slam were just stupidly powerful with WF |
| 22:29.47 | Diao | so 2h will suck again for pve |
| 22:29.49 | Diao | and fury will rule again |
| 22:29.51 | Diao | basically |
| 22:30.04 | Silowyi | I wonder if this means we'll start to see 5v5 teams over 1600 *gasp* without a warrior! |
| 22:30.11 | Silowyi | probably not :P |
| 22:30.21 | cladhaire | sylvanaar: ping |
| 22:30.46 | Antiarc|Work | Silowyi: No, we won't. MS is still the most valuable skill in the arena, bar none. |
| 22:30.51 | Silowyi | hey Antiarc... how is SanityBags going? |
| 22:30.55 | sylvanaar | cladhaire pong |
| 22:31.11 | Antiarc|Work | Silowyi: Haven't touched it recently. I'm devoting most of my time to non-WoW stuff at the moment |
| 22:31.13 | Antiarc|Work | Startign a business |
| 22:31.38 | Silowyi | ohhh... yeah I imagine that would take some concentration |
| 22:31.57 | art3mis | bah business is for chumps |
| 22:32.08 | art3mis | go back to coding things for free for ungrateful bastards |
| 22:32.12 | Silowyi | Would anyone be willing to help me figure out why ResetDB in AceDB-2.0.lua isn't working the way I expect? |
| 22:32.12 | art3mis | i demand it! |
| 22:32.15 | Chompers | so, where can i get some decent 1 handers? |
| 22:32.21 | Chompers | it's fury time |
| 22:32.24 | art3mis | swords or hammers? |
| 22:32.32 | Silowyi | Drakefist/Drakemaw |
| 22:32.42 | Coruss | ya, weaponsmithing stuff ftw |
| 22:32.45 | Silowyi | err Dragonmaw |
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| 22:33.11 | Undine | anyone know how dps is calculated in violation? |
| 22:35.28 | Gnarfoz | your damage / time spent |
| 22:35.31 | Gnarfoz | I guess? :P |
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| 22:38.47 | Undine | yeah. just comparing violation with the wws site (lossendil). violation has higher numbers, which leads me to suspect it is doing some sort of time spent for that char whilst actually doing stuff |
| 22:39.35 | alb | yeah dps on violation is way fucked |
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| 22:40.16 | [dRaCo] | dps on violation is highest 4 sec burst. |
| 22:41.35 | Undine | hmm, how odd |
| 22:42.01 | Ominous | !ar 1400 |
| 22:42.01 | ThraeBot | Ominous: Arena rating from 1400 points is, 2v2: 0, 3v3: 0, 5v5: 2790 |
| 22:42.07 | Ominous | !ap 1400 |
| 22:42.07 | ThraeBot | Ominous: Arena points from a rating of 1400 is, 2v2: 236, 3v3: 270, 5v5: 338 |
| 22:45.22 | Arrowmaster | how high do arena ratings go? |
| 22:45.31 | Diao | highest i've seen |
| 22:45.34 | Diao | is 26xx |
| 22:45.42 | Arrowmaster | !ap 2600 |
| 22:45.42 | ThraeBot | Arrowmaster: Arena points from a rating of 2600 is, 2v2: 960, 3v3: 1097, 5v5: 1372 |
| 22:45.46 | Diao | before season ended |
| 22:45.46 | Arrowmaster | holy shit |
| 22:45.52 | cladhaire | !ap 1500 |
| 22:45.52 | ThraeBot | cladhaire: Arena points from a rating of 1500 is, 2v2: 263, 3v3: 300, 5v5: 376 |
| 22:45.57 | Arrowmaster | thats a lot of 5v5 points |
| 22:46.04 | Diao | indeed it is |
| 22:46.07 | Diao | 1 piece of armor a week |
| 22:46.08 | Diao | almost |
| 22:46.18 | Arrowmaster | like 1000 points higher than i get a week |
| 22:46.21 | Diao | lol |
| 22:46.39 | Diao | a few hundred rating higher makes a huge difference iirc |
| 22:47.13 | cladhaire | ~ap 1600 |
| 22:47.16 | cladhaire | ~ap 1700 |
| 22:47.18 | cladhaire | damn i such |
| 22:47.20 | cladhaire | suck |
| 22:47.22 | Arrowmaster | just started a new 5v5 team just to farm points, been doing a 2v2 with friends alt too for points, never been to 16xx yet this season |
| 22:47.23 | cladhaire | !ap 1600 |
| 22:47.23 | ThraeBot | cladhaire: Arena points from a rating of 1600 is, 2v2: 344, 3v3: 393, 5v5: 492 |
| 22:47.25 | cladhaire | !ap 1700 |
| 22:47.26 | ThraeBot | cladhaire: Arena points from a rating of 1700 is, 2v2: 436, 3v3: 498, 5v5: 623 |
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| 22:48.22 | Arrowmaster | took all my s1 points and a month of s2 2v2 to get enough for s2 spellblade |
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| 22:49.14 | Diao | :( |
| 22:49.24 | Silowyi | yay I've done it! |
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| 22:50.48 | Diao | O: |
| 22:50.50 | Diao | what does it do |
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| 22:52.09 | Silowyi | Well... I got tired of all the endless debates on the rogue/warrior/druid forum about miss rate. |
| 22:52.32 | Ominous | where are alchamy labs?> |
| 22:52.38 | Silowyi | So I wrote an addon that tracks your miss rate by mob level, +hit, mob type (boss/normal), and skill. |
| 22:52.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Ominous: there's one in shatt. |
| 22:53.48 | ulic | c |
| 22:53.56 | Silowyi | d |
| 22:54.07 | Arrowmaster | Ominous: all 3 TBC cities have one i think, ask guards in any one |
| 22:54.39 | Diao | Silowyi so it tracks how often you miss when you fight mobs? |
| 22:54.46 | Diao | combat log parsing or something |
| 22:55.41 | Silowyi | Diao: Somewhat. Combat stats tells you how often you miss... this will tell you how often you miss against mobs of a specific level/type and with specific abilities/normal melee swings. |
| 22:56.22 | Chompers | that WF forum post is pretty crazy |
| 22:56.42 | Silowyi | I plan on running it through our Karazhan raid tonight, and probably through Mag attempts tomorrow. That should give me a fairly broad data set. |
| 22:56.48 | Diao | oh |
| 22:57.53 | Silowyi | I run too many addons... takes nearly 2 minutes to load into the game after I choose my character XD |
| 22:59.20 | Antiarc|Work | http://nigoro.jp/game/rosecamellia/rosecamellia.php |
| 23:01.45 | Chompers | ...what |
| 23:01.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc|Work: you need to do more work at work. ;) |
| 23:02.06 | Antiarc|Work | NightHawkTheSane: I actually work very hard |
| 23:02.10 | Antiarc|Work | I just have friends that send me weird crap |
| 23:02.28 | Antiarc|Work | HINT - During your attack, if you aim for a specific spot, you can achieve a CriticalSlap for extra damage. Critical spots vary depending on the enemy. |
| 23:03.10 | Antiarc|Work | The worst part is |
| 23:03.11 | Antiarc|Work | Somewhere |
| 23:03.13 | Antiarc|Work | Somehow |
| 23:03.17 | Antiarc|Work | There's someone that gets off to this. |
| 23:03.22 | Antiarc|Work | I hate the internet. -_- |
| 23:03.46 | Chompers | im beating off quite furiously to it |
| 23:06.36 | Megalon | yea, owned that first bitch! |
| 23:07.09 | NightHawkTheSane | you know. on some level, that really is cleverly done. >.> |
| 23:07.36 | Antiarc|Work | NightHawkTheSane: I'm waiting for the Wii port |
| 23:07.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc|Work: hahaha |
| 23:08.04 | Antiarc|Work | I'd actually play a Wii game that let me virtually bitchslap people. |
| 23:08.24 | NightHawkTheSane | only if the other end was hooked up to a slapping machine |
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| 23:13.34 | Silowyi | http://www.accasia.net/miss_rate.jpg |
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| 23:15.52 | CIA-14 | 03sayclub * r46139 10FuBar_ExitFu/ExitFu.lua: |
| 23:15.52 | CIA-14 | FuBar_ExitFu: |
| 23:15.52 | CIA-14 | - Added localization koKR |
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| 23:16.16 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Wobin_] by ChanServ |
| 23:16.53 | CIA-14 | 03zlovred * r46140 10AlchCheck/ (AlchCheck.lua Locale/AlchCheck_enUS.lua): |
| 23:16.53 | CIA-14 | AlchCheck: |
| 23:16.53 | CIA-14 | -Change output format. |
| 23:16.53 | CIA-14 | -Still on beta. |
| 23:16.53 | CIA-14 | -And still only text output format. |
| 23:16.54 | CIA-14 | -Check run - "/alch run". |
| 23:17.22 | Bejitt | Silowyi: wtb |
| 23:18.13 | Silowyi | You can see where I would have benefitted from sorting :P |
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| 23:24.51 | kenlyric | lol |
| 23:25.02 | kenlyric | I just got a popup from Parrot "Survival Tree Ready" |
| 23:25.10 | kenlyric | does it want me to respec? |
| 23:25.17 | jme | lol |
| 23:25.27 | jme | all your specs are belong to parrot |
| 23:25.45 | jme | kenlyric: how much agi do you have? |
| 23:25.54 | kenlyric | it was the mongoose bite icon, biut triggered when my traps became available. |
| 23:25.59 | jme | ohh. |
| 23:26.01 | kenlyric | 208 |
| 23:26.06 | jme | oh, nevermind |
| 23:26.18 | jme | kenlyric: don't spec survival until you have like 700 agi unbuffed, minimum |
| 23:26.43 | kenlyric | I ignored everything after survival |
| 23:26.52 | kergoth | kenlyric, lol |
| 23:27.04 | kenlyric | solo spec is pet spec. |
| 23:27.10 | kenlyric | FOREVER |
| 23:28.03 | siIentium | [23:52:21] <xyu> My old firefox used to always keep the active tab closing X in the rigth corner. no matter how many tabs i had open |
| 23:28.03 | siIentium | this is still possible via about:config, http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.tabs.closeButtons |
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| 23:30.31 | kenlyric | yup, it happened again. Fun bug :) |
| 23:30.48 | Silowyi | With the scorpid poison (inc nerf :P) BM spec warriors are putting up downright frightening numbers on swstats in our raids |
| 23:31.03 | Silowyi | scorpid poison is also really damn annoying in 2v2 arena |
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| 23:35.55 | Antiarc|Work | BM spec warriors? :O |
| 23:36.01 | Antiarc|Work | War with BW = :O :O |
| 23:36.20 | Silowyi | err hunters :P |
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| 23:38.37 | buu | sb goto 07:37 |
| 23:38.42 | cladhaire | Silowyi: They can't really fix scorpid poison without rewriting the whole debuff subsystem :P |
| 23:38.55 | sb | buu: what? :) |
| 23:39.06 | cladhaire | lol |
| 23:39.26 | Antiarc|Work | Sure they can. Just make Scorpid Poison not get any scaling benefits. |
| 23:39.40 | Antiarc|Work | Make the scaling based on the caster's level, rather than the caster's AP and buffs. |
| 23:39.43 | cladhaire | meh, thats poo :P |
| 23:39.56 | Antiarc|Work | Holy CRAP this is awesome. -> http://img.worsethanfailure.com/images/200707/writtenTest.doc |
| 23:40.06 | Silowyi | Well the biggest problem with it in arena is the pet's poisons hide Viper Sting |
| 23:40.17 | Silowyi | making it very hard to cleanse off |
| 23:40.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc|Work: is that the one that was up last week? |
| 23:40.44 | Silowyi | and if you kill the pet, which is the only strategy I've found that even comes close to working, its still pretty hard to keep a BM hunter from just resummoning |
| 23:40.45 | Antiarc|Work | I don't know, I didn't see it last week. |
| 23:40.47 | Antiarc|Work | But it's AMAZING. |
| 23:41.17 | NightHawkTheSane | it probably is, and yeah. its stunning. |
| 23:42.26 | kenlyric | lies. They need to make more pet abilities scale with gear. |
| 23:42.32 | kenlyric | not fewer |
| 23:42.52 | cladhaire | agreed :P |
| 23:42.55 | cladhaire | gore scaling ftw :P |
| 23:43.06 | kenlyric | esactly. |
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| 23:43.21 | Antiarc|Work | Scaling is good, but scaling and then keeping the scaled stack is a problem. |
| 23:43.28 | Antiarc|Work | I exploit that on Netherspite to great effect |
| 23:43.39 | Antiarc|Work | Blue beam, build up 50 stacks, then start my deadly poison stack |
| 23:43.43 | Antiarc|Work | It ticks for like a billion |
| 23:43.59 | Antiarc|Work | Shiv once per 12 sec to keep it up, and I do massive damage with it over the fight's duration |
| 23:44.03 | Chompers | i must try this on my hunter |
| 23:44.09 | Chompers | that sounds like so much fun |
| 23:44.49 | Silowyi | hmm that's problematic |
| 23:45.19 | *** part/#wowace Keya (n=patrick@xdsl-213-196-227-156.netcologne.de) |
| 23:45.24 | Silowyi | It seems the ParserLib routines I'm calling only respond to white damage |
| 23:45.36 | Silowyi | or more precisely |
| 23:45.48 | Silowyi | the events I'm registering are only triggered by white damage |
| 23:45.51 | Axodious | is there a way to make violations background color translucent? didn't see an option for it |
| 23:45.51 | Silowyi | annoying |
| 23:46.36 | kenlyric | i ran with a windserpent for a couple of levels, and even though LB scales, I didn't see any kind of dps improvement. I'll check again around 60 when my stats get a lot higher. |
| 23:48.03 | Silowyi | !api combat_msg_spell_self_damage |
| 23:48.08 | ThraeBot | Silowyi: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_combat_msg_spell_self_damage |
| 23:48.14 | Silowyi | !event combat_msg_spell_self_damage |
| 23:48.20 | Silowyi | bah |
| 23:48.23 | Silowyi | no lazy 4 me |
| 23:52.43 | Silowyi | chat_msg_spell_self_damage... I speel gud |
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| 23:58.52 | CIA-14 | 03grayhoof * r46141 10Proximo/ (Bindings.xml Proximo.lua Proximo.toc embeds.xml frame.lua): |
| 23:58.52 | CIA-14 | Proximo: |
| 23:58.52 | CIA-14 | - Made option menu not appear in combat or after arena starts |
| 23:58.52 | CIA-14 | - Fixed adjusting frame sizes |
| 23:58.52 | CIA-14 | - Converted to using embeds.xml |
| 23:58.53 | CIA-14 | - Cleaned up bindings framexml.log errors |
| 23:59.31 | buu | So.. if I'm running omen, would adding something like recount or so on cause any problems with threat display? |
