| 00:00.22 | ckknight | [dRaCo]: AceLibrary("AceConsole-2.0"):Print(GetMouseFocus()) |
| 00:00.59 | [dRaCo] | Pkekyo: you heard ckk. try that one. |
| 00:03.44 | orange\ | ;/ |
| 00:03.46 | Pkekyo | ckknight: how to input it? |
| 00:04.02 | [dRaCo] | /script AceLibrary("AceConsole-2.0"):Print(GetMouseFocus()) |
| 00:04.08 | ckknight | oh, for script stuff |
| 00:04.15 | ckknight | just do /print GetMouseFocus():GetName() |
| 00:04.18 | ckknight | tada, problem solved |
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| 00:04.35 | Pkekyo | <Frame:(anon)> |
| 00:04.37 | [dRaCo] | /print is default wow lua? |
| 00:04.54 | ckknight | no, [dRaCo] |
| 00:04.56 | ckknight | that's Ace |
| 00:05.02 | ckknight | Pkekyo: it's anonymous, then |
| 00:05.03 | [dRaCo] | good enough. |
| 00:05.12 | Xuerian | Whoever made atlasloot into a package |
| 00:05.16 | Xuerian | seriously fucked up |
| 00:05.56 | Pkekyo | ckknight: and that helps me diddley squat? |
| 00:06.04 | [dRaCo] | nope. doesnt help at all. |
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| 00:06.09 | Undine | aha, ckknight. got any nice cowtip configs? |
| 00:06.15 | [dRaCo] | no name, nothing to search for :( |
| 00:06.30 | ckknight | Pkekyo: right. |
| 00:06.44 | Pkekyo | ckknight: /print GetMouseFocus():GetName() gives "nil" |
| 00:06.52 | Pkekyo | soeh...nothing I can do? |
| 00:06.52 | [dRaCo] | yeah, we had that before. |
| 00:06.55 | ckknight | right, not helpful, as previously stated |
| 00:07.08 | [dRaCo] | request the feature ^^ |
| 00:07.23 | Pkekyo | gah, the backdrop of Violation is driving me mad |
| 00:07.36 | Pkekyo | huge fugly blob in the middle of my ui :< |
| 00:07.41 | Thrae | Pkekyo: What are you trying to get the name of? |
| 00:07.57 | [dRaCo] | violation's background frame |
| 00:08.07 | [dRaCo] | he's trying to make it opaque |
| 00:08.09 | Thrae | It probably doesn't have a name |
| 00:08.22 | Pkekyo | I didn't see anything when I skimmed through the lua either |
| 00:08.41 | Thrae | Pkekyo: Search for CreateFrame in the Lua file |
| 00:09.19 | Thrae | Pkekyo: He might have made it something like Violation.bgframe or something where you can get the frame, but didn't set a global Name |
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| 00:10.16 | Thrae | TSVN is still pissing me off -- I have autoprops set, I have the autoprops from the wiki, but it's still giving me the error. Maybe TSVN is storing something in the registry which overrides it... |
| 00:10.16 | Pkekyo | only CreateFrame I can find seems to be the bars themself, and not the backdrop |
| 00:11.05 | Thrae | Pkekyo: That's what you want. What are the names of the bars? If they don't have any, is there a way to index them? |
| 00:11.32 | Thrae | Pkekyo: Once you do that, you use FrameReference:SetBackdropColor(r,g,b,alpha) |
| 00:11.33 | Pkekyo | gimme a sec, on a boss atm |
| 00:12.04 | Thrae | Pkekyo: IE, if it's Violation.bars, then Violation.bars:SetBackdropColor(r,g,b,alpha) |
| 00:15.10 | ccKep | Vilation.windows |
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| 00:16.14 | Bejitt | http://wowace.com/wiki/FuBar_Plugins_List omg too much red |
| 00:16.58 | Pkekyo | Thrae |
| 00:17.08 | Pkekyo | "if not f.statusbar then |
| 00:17.08 | Pkekyo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.27 | Thrae | Pkekyo: Right, figure out how to index f then |
| 00:17.41 | ccKep | whats up? |
| 00:18.00 | ccKep | or, what's he trying to do? |
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| 00:18.40 | Pkekyo | trying to remove the backdrop of Violation |
| 00:18.51 | ccKep | /script for k, w in pairs(Violation.windows) do w.frame:SetBackdrop("") end |
| 00:19.10 | Pkekyo | ffs, batteries on fucking mouse died |
| 00:19.20 | Pkekyo | ccKep: just run that in wow? |
| 00:19.25 | ccKep | yep |
| 00:19.39 | ccKep | but it'll not get saved through sessions I think |
| 00:19.58 | Pkekyo | is it 4x ' or 2x " in that paranthesis? |
| 00:20.04 | ccKep | 2x " |
| 00:20.30 | ccKep | you'd have to edit Violation.lua lines 2788 through 2792 to make it permanent I think (didn't look too much into the code though) |
| 00:21.06 | Pkekyo | it didn't work for me |
| 00:21.42 | Pkekyo | those lines you specified are: |
| 00:21.43 | Pkekyo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.43 | Pkekyo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.43 | Pkekyo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.43 | Pkekyo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.43 | Pkekyo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.58 | ccKep | guess I don't have the most recent version then |
| 00:22.06 | ccKep | mine are |
| 00:22.10 | ccKep | local windowBackdrop = { |
| 00:22.12 | ccKep | ..... |
| 00:22.13 | ccKep | } |
| 00:22.14 | ccKep | ^ |
| 00:22.29 | Pkekyo | I found it |
| 00:22.39 | Pkekyo | 2775 through 2779 |
| 00:22.42 | ccKep | but just try that: |
| 00:22.48 | ccKep | some lines under that |
| 00:22.52 | ccKep | (20 or so) |
| 00:22.53 | ccKep | f:SetBackdropColor(24/255, 24/255, 24/255) |
| 00:22.55 | ccKep | make that |
| 00:22.58 | ccKep | f:SetBackdropColor(24/255, 24/255, 24/255, 0) |
| 00:23.51 | Pkekyo | restarting wow atm |
| 00:24.03 | ccKep | /rl should've been enough ;) |
| 00:24.50 | Pkekyo | oh well....I've developed a habit of always doing /console quit + [win]+r wow, even for relogs...it's quicker |
| 00:25.00 | Kemayo | Wobin: Yeah, it's the repo lacking permissions. Someone needs to set svn:execute on babblelod.sh. I'd do it, but I lack the requisite permissions. |
| 00:25.50 | Pkekyo | ccKep: it seems to have done the trick...no bars atm though |
| 00:26.16 | ccKep | just try resizing a window |
| 00:26.24 | ccKep | it should still show the edge at the bottom right |
| 00:26.35 | RaydenUni | Pkekyo http://blog.raydenuni.com/2007/8/2/zone-with-a-purpose |
| 00:27.01 | orange\ | do click macros not work anymore? |
| 00:27.16 | orange\ | I cant get anything to work with clique or click2cast after that small patch |
| 00:28.21 | Pkekyo | ccKep: awesome, it works perfect...thanks! |
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| 00:28.37 | clad|away | orange\: fwiw i haven't had any complaints yet. |
| 00:28.56 | orange\ | hrm.. |
| 00:29.05 | Pkekyo | now I've just gotta look for a way to make the "header" a little more transparent x) |
| 00:29.16 | orange\ | have /use medallion of the horde |
| 00:29.26 | orange\ | as macro set to middle mouse button |
| 00:29.30 | orange\ | and nothin |
| 00:29.34 | ccKep | Pkekyo: SetBackdropBorderColor |
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| 00:30.22 | ccKep | line 3200 for me (I think) |
| 00:30.26 | ccKep | f:SetBackdropBorderColor( color.r, color.g, color.b ) |
| 00:30.56 | Pkekyo | 3187 for me |
| 00:31.13 | orange\ | dang it |
| 00:31.15 | Pkekyo | I don't understand how colours work in lua |
| 00:31.22 | orange\ | anyone else get it to work? |
| 00:31.33 | ccKep | just a number between 0 and 1 |
| 00:31.40 | Pkekyo | 0 and 1? O.o |
| 00:31.51 | ccKep | 1,1,1 = 100% red, 100% green, 100% blue |
| 00:31.56 | Pkekyo | I'm used to 255 or whatev :< |
| 00:32.06 | ccKep | well, just use r/255, g/255, b/255 |
| 00:32.25 | Pkekyo | thanks |
| 00:32.37 | Pkekyo | but how do I add lower alpha? |
| 00:32.43 | [dRaCo] | you can add a ", .5" at the end to make it 50% transparent, iirc |
| 00:32.57 | ccKep | yep |
| 00:33.37 | Pkekyo | like this? f:SetBackdropBorderColor( color.r, color.g, color.b.7 ) |
| 00:33.46 | Thorgard | Nay. |
| 00:33.48 | Pkekyo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.50 | ccKep | , .7 |
| 00:33.52 | Thorgard | Aye. |
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| 00:34.14 | ccKep | try that, /rl and look if it works ;) |
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| 00:34.26 | ccKep | dunno if thats the only place in the code where violation sets the backdropcolor |
| 00:34.30 | Pkekyo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.35 | ccKep | yeah |
| 00:34.38 | ccKep | ace2 shortcut |
| 00:34.56 | [dRaCo] | /rl is an alias for that... if you've got aceconsole installed |
| 00:35.20 | Xuerian | Haha. I remember typing /console reload so much I was trying to log in with it XD |
| 00:35.21 | Pkekyo | I might have...dunno :> |
| 00:35.39 | [dRaCo] | if you've got any ace addon active, you prolly have. |
| 00:36.01 | ccKep | violation ;) |
| 00:36.08 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 00:36.36 | Pkekyo | YAY! it works! ...the colours of the header looks like shit though ^^ |
| 00:37.16 | Pkekyo | ffs, my brother got Attumen's mount today :< |
| 00:38.09 | Pkekyo | hmm...what addon should I mess with next? xD |
| 00:38.21 | Dustwhisper| | hehe |
| 00:38.24 | Dustwhisper| | it's quite a cool mount |
| 00:38.35 | Pkekyo | yeah, it's wicked |
| 00:38.49 | Pkekyo | it's like a warlock mount crossbred with blood elf pally mount on acid! O.o |
| 00:39.02 | Pkekyo | he rolled 100 for it >.< |
| 00:40.01 | Pkekyo | hmm... |
| 00:40.10 | Pkekyo | how can I ge WAU to ignore certain addons? |
| 00:40.37 | Pkekyo | please explain in the "for dummies"-way :p |
| 00:40.49 | [dRaCo] | there's an option somewhere. |
| 00:41.20 | Pkekyo | problem is...I'd probably need updates for violation, wouldn't I? |
| 00:41.28 | Xuerian | Pkekyo: Old way is to add a .svn directory to the folder |
| 00:41.35 | Xuerian | Pkekyo: Don't know if the new version has anything or not |
| 00:42.10 | Pkekyo | Xuerian: to the WAU folder? or addon folder? |
| 00:42.31 | Xuerian | Pkekyo: The folder of the addon you want to ignore |
| 00:42.42 | Pkekyo | just make a folder named .svn and that's it? |
| 00:45.17 | Pkekyo | windows won't let use . in folder names |
| 00:45.25 | todd | use a command prompt |
| 00:45.28 | todd | mkdir .svn |
| 00:45.59 | Pkekyo | "Can not find mkdir" |
| 00:46.58 | todd | try just md .svn |
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| 00:49.04 | Pkekyo | doesn't work |
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| 00:50.06 | Arrowmaster | md ".svn"? |
| 00:50.09 | Pkekyo | nevermind, I made it happen |
| 00:50.12 | Pkekyo | mkdir .svn |
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| 00:51.18 | Pkekyo | the .svn dir will prevent wau from updating the addon..? |
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| 00:54.15 | Pkekyo | great, it works! |
| 00:54.33 | CIA-22 | 03thrae * r45553 10PerfectTargets/ (9 files): PerfectTargets: Import regular files (man, this is a pain). |
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| 00:58.53 | Pkekyo | moo tbh... |
| 00:59.07 | Pkekyo | RaydenUni: the blogpost looks great :> |
| 00:59.45 | CIA-22 | 03thrae * r45554 10PerfectTargets/ (Libs/ foo/): PerfectTargets: windows clients are gay |
| 01:00.20 | Pkekyo | how does PerfectTargets look now? |
| 01:01.33 | CIA-22 | 03thrae * r45555 10PerfectTargets/ (7 files in 2 dirs): PerfectTargets: added in required libs |
| 01:02.38 | Thrae | Pkekyo: 3.0 has been usuable for a while, it's just it's been on my Google SVN. There were a few optimizations I wanted to make, and adding MT/MA, but 3.0 is 100% usuable and better then 2.0 |
| 01:02.59 | Pkekyo | Thrae: I mean graphically.. |
| 01:03.09 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r45556 10Joker/LibJokerEvent-1.0/LibJokerEvent-1.0.lua: LibJokerEvent-1.0 - fix documentation for :RemoveEventListener |
| 01:03.18 | Pkekyo | from what I can remember (from seeing screenie), they had an otravi-look, only really poor gfx quality |
| 01:03.27 | Thrae | Pkekyo: Looks the same graphically. It's minimalist. |
| 01:03.53 | Pkekyo | I'd wish the otravi-ish bars would look just a little bit smoother |
| 01:04.07 | Thrae | Pkekyo: It even uses some ASCII indictors omg |
| 01:04.25 | Xuerian | Thrae: PerfectTargets that actually lets you target? 0_o |
| 01:04.32 | Thrae | s/indictors/indicators/ |
| 01:05.05 | Thrae | Xuerian: No, that's impossible. But 3.0 has the handy feature of being 100% UNclickable, so you can make it mostly transparent and stick it wherever you like. |
| 01:05.11 | Pkekyo | Thrae: could you get me an up-to-date screenie of perfect targets |
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| 01:05.19 | Xuerian | Thrae: Damn. XD |
| 01:06.17 | Thrae | Xuerian: Make some macros, like /assist ma or /assist focus, etc. The 3.0 will track your Focus, and give you indicators if your Focus != Your current target. This is so you can use "focus" in groups for MA. |
| 01:06.39 | Pkekyo | what's the difference between "focus" and "target"? |
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| 01:07.23 | Pkekyo | Thrae: wiki link for perfect targets? |
| 01:07.44 | Thrae | Pkekyo: http://thrae-wow.googlecode.com/files/PT1.jpg |
| 01:08.08 | Pkekyo | no otravi skin on the bars anymore? |
| 01:08.27 | Thrae | If someone skinned it, they did it without my knowledge |
| 01:09.05 | Pkekyo | huh...thought I'd seen it with otravi... |
| 01:10.51 | Pkekyo | dinner? at 3am? O.o |
| 01:11.42 | Necrathex | eating at night ftw |
| 01:11.47 | Amadeo | Contrary to popular belief, Norway hasn't conquored the world yet |
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| 01:12.14 | Necrathex | what's a norway? |
| 01:12.17 | kenlyric | otravi, isn't that like from 2006? |
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| 01:12.57 | Pkekyo | meh, I keep forgetting everyone's state-side here >.< |
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| 01:13.50 | kenlyric | Pkekyo: focus is focus, and target is target |
| 01:14.22 | kenlyric | errr, that should have been "focus is /focus and target is /target" |
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| 01:15.46 | Pkekyo | kenlyric, I know THAT, but what's the practical difference between them? surely there must be more than the name separating them? |
| 01:15.55 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r45557 10Joker/LibJoker-1.0/LibJoker-1.0.lua: LibJoker-1.0 - collect garbage between each unit test |
| 01:15.58 | Diao | you've never used focus? |
| 01:16.08 | ckknight | Amadeo: more like snoreway |
| 01:16.12 | Amadeo | haha |
| 01:16.17 | Pkekyo | maybe I have...I dunno what it is >.< |
| 01:16.17 | Amadeo | Snorlax, I choose you! |
| 01:16.24 | Diao | if you /focus something |
| 01:16.24 | Pkekyo | Snorlax > all |
| 01:16.27 | Diao | you can /target focus later on |
| 01:16.30 | Diao | to target it automatically |
| 01:16.35 | kenlyric | it's a second target, essentially. |
| 01:16.36 | Diao | it's like keeping a mark on something |
| 01:16.38 | Amadeo | I don't even have enough screen real estate to use so many damn frames |
| 01:16.40 | Diao | a permanent second target |
| 01:16.45 | Pkekyo | Diao: kinda like master target in ktm? -ish |
| 01:16.49 | Diao | uhh |
| 01:16.52 | Diao | kinda but for individual players |
| 01:16.59 | kenlyric | it's not bound to all the default things that targets are, like spells on bars, mouse clicks, etc. |
| 01:17.01 | Diao | so like say if you have a specific target you always want to keep cc'ed |
| 01:17.14 | Diao | you can macro /cast [target=focus] CrowdControlSpell |
| 01:17.23 | Diao | and it'll automatically target your focus and cc them |
| 01:17.25 | kenlyric | so, you can focus 1 enemy to sheep, and then target multiple enemies as the fight goes on. |
| 01:17.28 | Diao | without changing your target |
| 01:17.31 | Pkekyo | makes sense |
| 01:17.44 | Pkekyo | gotta make that macro for my mage |
| 01:17.45 | Diao | simplifies stuff |
| 01:17.53 | kenlyric | it pretty much trivializes the work you need to do to crowd control. |
| 01:18.04 | Diao | and easier to cc in pvp |
| 01:18.11 | Diao | as well as pve where multiple people may be sheeping |
| 01:18.29 | kenlyric | I don't really want to think about moroes without focus. |
| 01:18.43 | kenlyric | heal shackle heal shackle heal shackle. |
| 01:19.16 | Pkekyo | as a warrior...do I have any real need for using focus? |
| 01:19.22 | Diao | uh |
| 01:19.22 | Mudkips | no... |
| 01:19.23 | Diao | yes |
| 01:19.28 | Diao | intervene :D |
| 01:19.57 | Pkekyo | only times I've used intervene is in murmur fight, and once by mistake in a BG |
| 01:20.05 | etip | wait i have a better macro for CC and focus |
| 01:20.11 | Diao | i use it in bg |
| 01:20.12 | Diao | all the time |
| 01:20.19 | Diao | esp while flag carrying |
| 01:20.25 | Diao | intervene a friendly across the field |
| 01:20.31 | etip | just have : /focus [button:1] |
| 01:20.40 | Pkekyo | as prot, I pretty much don't give a shit in BGs ^^ |
| 01:20.42 | etip | and : /cast [button:1] Polymorph; [target=focus,exists,button:2] Polymorph |
| 01:20.58 | Pkekyo | I only do AV anyways |
| 01:21.04 | Pkekyo | etip: [button:1]? |
| 01:21.07 | Diao | do wsg |
| 01:21.12 | Diao | prot warriors are great in wsg |
| 01:21.13 | etip | left click |
| 01:21.21 | etip | button 2 = right click |
| 01:21.35 | Pkekyo | ah |
| 01:21.57 | Pkekyo | wsg = premades only in my battlegroup :< I haven't met a pug WSG since march |
| 01:21.57 | etip | that let you set up a focus when you sheep for the first time |
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| 01:22.11 | etip | and a right click will re-sheep the focus |
| 01:22.13 | Mudkips | how are prot warrs any good in wsg? |
| 01:22.26 | Mudkips | most people are going to be behind you anyway since I assume you're running the flag |
| 01:22.29 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r45558 10Joker/LibJokerEvent-1.0/LibJokerEvent-1.0.lua: LibJokerEvent-1.0 - rename :TriggerEvent/:TriggerNamespaceEvent to :DispatchEvent/:DispatchNamespaceEvent, causing it to have the same API as DOM2 |
| 01:22.35 | Mudkips | so you can't really block or parry them |
| 01:22.37 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r45559 10Joker/LibJoker-1.0/LibJoker-1.0.lua: LibJoker-1.0 - API update |
| 01:23.56 | Pkekyo | ~joker |
| 01:24.13 | Pkekyo | Mudkips: can still take quite a beating with 13-15k hp unbuffed :> |
| 01:24.34 | ckknight | Pkekyo: Ace3 |
| 01:24.36 | Mudkips | I guess |
| 01:24.45 | Mudkips | but using a druid would defeat all that |
| 01:24.58 | Pkekyo | true, but there's not always a druid |
| 01:25.29 | Mudkips | what kind of premade goes with no druid O.O |
| 01:25.33 | Mudkips | this is madness |
| 01:25.35 | Pkekyo | ckknight: how do you go about writing ace 3? |
| 01:25.39 | Pkekyo | I don't do premades... |
| 01:25.57 | Pkekyo | I've barely ever seen more than 10 people online at the same time in my guild |
| 01:26.07 | ckknight | Pkekyo: well, I started with the core library and built from there |
| 01:26.09 | Pkekyo | ckknight: do you just take the base of ace2 and rewrite it to be more efficient? |
| 01:26.15 | ckknight | no, I didn't take the base |
| 01:26.18 | ckknight | I started from scratch |
| 01:26.26 | ckknight | but have been using Ace2 as an influence |
| 01:26.29 | ckknight | what methods and such to add |
| 01:26.31 | Pkekyo | huh...stop being imba plx :> |
| 01:26.36 | ckknight | lol |
| 01:27.02 | etip | is there any way to dig into the data stored into the RegisterDefaults ? |
| 01:27.42 | Pkekyo | as in windows register? |
| 01:28.36 | etip | or notepad, w/e which let me see the data stored |
| 01:28.45 | etip | and eventually edit it |
| 01:29.00 | CIA-22 | 03roartindon * r45560 10Assessment/Modules/ (Damage.lua Deaths.lua): |
| 01:29.00 | CIA-22 | Assessment |
| 01:29.00 | CIA-22 | - Damage will now count falls, lava, fire, slime damage |
| 01:29.00 | CIA-22 | - Death event log will should aura stacking counts |
| 01:31.37 | kenlyric | hmmm. |
| 01:31.50 | kenlyric | s/should/show/ ? |
| 01:32.49 | NM|Xinhuan | dunno, that doesn't even make sense |
| 01:32.56 | NM|Xinhuan | what is "aura stacking counts" anyway? |
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| 01:34.39 | Wobwork | You had 5 deadly X buffs on you on death |
| 01:34.58 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r45561 10Joker/LibJoker-1.0/LibJoker-1.0.lua: LibJoker-1.0 - add documentation to :IsActive() and :ToggleActive([state]) |
| 01:36.43 | Pkekyo | huh...I can't figure out where to put alpha settins in this addon >.< |
| 01:37.24 | Pkekyo | what does SetFrameStrata do? |
| 01:38.01 | RogueShadow | I shouldn't say this, but it seems like fun... |
| 01:38.05 | NM|Xinhuan | ckknight: why do you commit so often? :o |
| 01:38.14 | RogueShadow | Does it set the frame strata? |
| 01:38.45 | Pkekyo | RogueShadow: ofc it does, but what does_that_mean? |
| 01:38.45 | ckknight | NM|Xinhuan: because I do a lot of coding |
| 01:38.45 | RogueShadow | Sorry sorry, my bad. |
| 01:38.47 | RogueShadow | I think it means where it'd drawn, kinda like layers. |
| 01:38.54 | RogueShadow | Whether it's on top or below othe rwindows |
| 01:39.04 | Pkekyo | ah |
| 01:39.09 | NM|Xinhuan | no i mean, why dont' you commit more changes at a time to Joker, instead of one every 3 minutes? |
| 01:39.26 | RogueShadow | Doesn't it say that in the svn rules or something? or some svn page on ace? |
| 01:39.32 | vhaarr | NM|Xinhuan: what's the point of a revision control system if you don't commit once per change? |
| 01:39.32 | Pkekyo | then I dunno where the hell to put alpha after all :< |
| 01:39.37 | RogueShadow | save commits for later if it's not big. |
| 01:39.43 | RaydenUni | <Pkekyo> RaydenUni: the blogpost looks great :> <-- any typos or design problems you see? |
| 01:39.49 | vhaarr | NM|Xinhuan: one fix, one commit. |
| 01:39.55 | ckknight | RogueShadow: ...no |
| 01:40.00 | NM|Xinhuan | vhaarr: i don't know - seems kinda extravagant to me? |
| 01:40.06 | NM|Xinhuan | to track that many changes |
| 01:40.18 | Pkekyo | RaydenUni: do you mean in the post or in my own sentence? x) |
| 01:40.18 | vhaarr | NM|Xinhuan: Alright, your feelings are wrong. |
| 01:40.31 | ckknight | NM|Xinhuan: because I do one change per commit, basically |
| 01:40.31 | RaydenUni | um, my post |
| 01:40.31 | RogueShadow | It doesn't really matter what I thought It said, ckknight, is just a good example to follow. |
| 01:40.31 | RogueShadow | :) |
| 01:40.47 | ckknight | it makes it easier to pinpoint bad commits |
| 01:40.49 | ckknight | and such |
| 01:40.54 | ckknight | and revert to specific commits |
| 01:41.18 | Pkekyo | RaydenUni: gimme a sec, I haven't read below the graph yet...I've been messing 'round with another addon |
| 01:41.34 | RogueShadow | How are things going with that "Joker" as it were. Still getting along at a high rate it seems. That's good. |
| 01:41.47 | NM|Xinhuan | the svn only stores "changes" right? |
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| 01:41.51 | ckknight | RogueShadow: I just have Locale, DB, and Comm to do |
| 01:41.57 | ckknight | NM|Xinhuan: basically |
| 01:41.59 | Roartindon | Nargiddley: ping |
| 01:42.09 | ckknight | RogueShadow: working on Locale now |
| 01:42.10 | Amadeo | Strange, there's a small patch |
| 01:42.15 | NM|Xinhuan | what happens if something in the chain of changes goes corrupted? |
| 01:42.15 | RogueShadow | Roartindon seems to be doing a lot of work on assessment lately also, that's good. I like that addon. |
| 01:42.20 | Nargiddley | Roartindon, pong |
| 01:42.27 | ckknight | NM|Xinhuan: we hope the svn's been backed up |
| 01:42.29 | RogueShadow | I think he may have a preoccupation with death as it were. |
| 01:42.32 | NM|Xinhuan | lol :( |
| 01:42.35 | Amadeo | 2.0.6983 to 2.0.7051 |
| 01:42.36 | Roartindon | Nargiddley: If I could get you to quickly read this post: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=6576.msg126666#msg126666 |
| 01:42.51 | Roartindon | Nargiddley: I'll explain a couple of problems that I think are inside Waterfall |
| 01:43.59 | Roartindon | Nargiddley: First, in sections mode in the left hand pane, it sounds like .disabled doesn't prevent the item from being clicked. In tree mode, it disables correctly and isn't selectable |
| 01:44.40 | RogueShadow | I wonder how many people it would take to convince blizzard to do a native linux port. *laughs at the impossibility* |
| 01:44.51 | Pkekyo | RaydenUni: that plan of yours is great, but blizz would really have to have a revolution when it comes to their questlog system |
| 01:45.04 | Roartindon | Nargiddley: Second, it seems that a completely empty group causes an infinite loop (I'm guessing). That submenu is only ever populated when data is specifically saved, so is generally empty. |
| 01:45.11 | Pkekyo | there's no errors that I've noticed so far either |
| 01:47.13 | CIA-22 | 03gagorian * r45562 10DrDamage/DrDamage.lua: |
| 01:47.13 | CIA-22 | DrDamage: |
| 01:47.13 | CIA-22 | - Added nil check on line 1080 |
| 01:49.10 | Pkekyo | how can I figure out where to put alpha settings in an addon where no colors is defined? |
| 01:49.26 | Roartindon | RogueShadow: Not a preoccupation with death, it's more a preoccupation of figuring out how to keep my raid alive better :) |
| 01:49.42 | Roartindon | RogueShadow: And the first step towards that is figuring out what killed them |
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| 01:50.54 | Pkekyo | I really need to learn this shit some day >.< |
| 01:51.41 | Roartindon | Pkekyo: It really depends on how the addon is written and what you want to change the alpha of. It may be a simple :SetAlpha() somewhere, or it could be a bit more complex depending on what other calls the addon makes |
| 01:52.05 | Pkekyo | sec, I'll reroll pastey |
| 01:53.02 | Pkekyo | http://ace.pastey.net/71709 |
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| 01:53.52 | Pkekyo | btw, in that pastey thingie...can I just remove self:MoveMinimap() and self:MoveActionbars() without problems? |
| 01:54.26 | Starinnia | everyone excited about World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King? |
| 01:54.27 | ccKep | 1. self.frame:Show() -> self.frame:SetAlpha(0.5) before it |
| 01:54.30 | ccKep | 2. I'd say yes |
| 01:54.51 | Amadeo | Starinnia: Yes, but I need real info |
| 01:55.06 | NM|Xinhuan | ccKep: would the ordering really matter? before or after that is |
| 01:55.10 | Roartindon | 2. I'd guess no |
| 01:55.22 | Roartindon | it looks like that's where it sets up their positions when logging on? |
| 01:55.22 | ccKep | NM|Xinhuan: no, but I tend to :Show at the end |
| 01:55.23 | Starinnia | but rumor and speculation is much more uplifting than the sad harsh reality of the next xpac |
| 01:55.30 | NM|Xinhuan | because i assumed wow does its rendering all in 1 step per frame |
| 01:55.31 | Mudkips | Starinnia, months behind |
| 01:55.35 | NM|Xinhuan | is that true? |
| 01:55.48 | Amadeo | Starinnia: I wouldn't doubt most of the rumors are true, as I'd imagine this is competition to put Warhammer in its place |
| 01:56.03 | Pkekyo | Roartindon: you're quite correct, it fucked everything up |
| 01:56.08 | Mudkips | and Blizz WILL put it in its place |
| 01:56.15 | CIA-22 | 03nargiddley * r45563 10Waterfall-1.0/Waterfall-1.0/Waterfall-1.0.lua: Waterfall-1.0: Tree view section entries disable properly |
| 01:56.24 | Amadeo | We'll see, I'm still looking forward to Warhammer for the PvP aspect of it |
| 01:56.27 | Starinnia | Amadeo: I bet everyone is going to want to bring their Death Knight to the raids instead of their original toons |
| 01:56.28 | ccKep | dunno what XArt does, but if you don't want something to be moved just remove the call.. but guess that kills the purpose of the addon |
| 01:56.30 | Amadeo | I don't care much for any PvE |
| 01:56.43 | Amadeo | Starinnia: Yeah...Paladins will be quitting everywhere |
| 01:56.57 | Starinnia | I know mine will be |
| 01:56.58 | Starinnia | tired of healbotting |
| 01:57.09 | Mudkips | I can't understand all the hype for pvp anymore |
| 01:57.18 | Amadeo | That's because WoW PvP sucks :P |
| 01:57.18 | Mudkips | so much class imbalance |
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| 01:57.20 | NM|Xinhuan | somehow, i think people are looking forward to Warhammer only because there isn't any other decent MMO on the market |
| 01:57.31 | Mudkips | that's why I stopped |
| 01:57.38 | Pkekyo | ccKep: http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/3719/wowscrnshot080107201549vb0.jpg the art on top and bottom = xArt |
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| 01:57.52 | Amadeo | NM|Xinhuan: Maybe some, but I enjoyed DAoC very much, and I think of all the MMOs that have been coming out, Mythic is the only one that has half a chance |
| 01:58.08 | NM|Xinhuan | its hard to argue about class balance because i think blizz never intended them to be balanced for pvp in the first place |
| 01:58.17 | Pkekyo | ccKep: thanks, the SetAlpha worked wonders |
| 01:58.25 | Nargiddley | Roartindon, havent been able to reproduce an empty group locking up |
| 01:58.41 | Amadeo | NM|Xinhuan: Focus was supposed to be in both areas, even Kalgan came from UO after all |
| 01:58.45 | Roartindon | Nargiddley: hmm.. weird. What about disabled groups being clickable in sections? |
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| 01:58.49 | Mudkips | I agree with Xin |
| 01:58.49 | Nargiddley | fixed |
| 01:59.03 | Roartindon | Great, thanks |
| 01:59.09 | NM|Xinhuan | i mean, the way pvp works in wow is a little half arsed |
| 01:59.13 | Amadeo | Blizzard will be doing a lot to PvP to compete with Warhammer, I can bet that |
| 01:59.20 | Roartindon | Nargiddley: I'll look more into the lockup later, it may be something I'm doing odd.. but it sounds weird :( |
| 01:59.24 | NM|Xinhuan | if they designed it to be balanced, WoW wouldn't need to have "pvp rules" for spells |
| 01:59.28 | Nargiddley | nope, empty group both as an entry in a section and as the section itself doesnt lock up |
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| 01:59.31 | NM|Xinhuan | like polymorph only lasting 10 secs |
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| 01:59.45 | Mudkips | or diminishing returns |
| 01:59.49 | NM|Xinhuan | ^ |
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| 02:00.02 | Amadeo | They could have done other things, but without entirely removing those spells, that's the only way |
| 02:00.06 | Mudkips | you fear DR is reset whenever a druid changes forms? |
| 02:00.08 | Mudkips | yeah sad truth |
| 02:00.11 | Mudkips | you know ** |
| 02:00.54 | NM|Xinhuan | it just seems silly, you design a set of spells for pve, then have the same spells follow different rules for pvp - that isn't exactly balanced is it? |
| 02:01.07 | Amadeo | It's pretty tough to balance killing a mob with a million HP, giving everyone spells/skills that do enough damage and then tweak it so it still works in PvP when players HP are in the thousands |
| 02:01.10 | Pkekyo | Mudkips: DR? |
| 02:01.23 | Mudkips | diminishing return |
| 02:01.39 | Pkekyo | ah |
| 02:01.43 | NM|Xinhuan | yet many other games don't have different rules for spells on players |
| 02:01.48 | Roartindon | Nargiddley: Could having a disabled group selected cause locking up? |
| 02:01.51 | Amadeo | For MMO? |
| 02:02.00 | Amadeo | I know EQ did |
| 02:02.10 | Amadeo | DAoC was PvP based, and I honestly don't even remember |
| 02:02.16 | Roartindon | Nargiddley: What I saw was that the title frame changed to show the selected menu, and the game crashed a moment later in an infinite loop |
| 02:02.20 | Amadeo | but DAoC was the opposite of WoW |
| 02:02.35 | NM|Xinhuan | how did pvp work in daoc? never played that |
| 02:02.39 | Pkekyo | hmm...that was fun...now I've gotta find a new addon to mess around with |
| 02:02.43 | Pkekyo | ^^^ |
| 02:02.47 | Keias | Whoever had the most messers won |
| 02:02.50 | Keias | That was DAOC PVP |
| 02:03.05 | Amadeo | DAoC PvP was a lot more fun than WoW PvP |
| 02:03.09 | RaydenUni | it's like wowinsider has nothing to post on so every 3rd post is some random "omg it's almost blizzcon!" |
| 02:03.18 | Amadeo | Though it had faults as well |
| 02:03.26 | Pkekyo | well...IT's ALMOST BLIZZCON! =D |
| 02:03.32 | NM|Xinhuan | hey in MMOs, pvp is all about whoeveer side has the larger numbers - WoW tried to fix tat with "battlegrounds" where both sides have equal numbers |
| 02:03.37 | Amadeo | I can't really explain how DAoC PvP was, since it was so long ago |
| 02:03.42 | Amadeo | DAoC started Battlegrounds :) |
| 02:03.45 | Pkekyo | if you got no news, don't post at all, methinks... |
| 02:03.56 | Mudkips | but they failed at battlegrounds |
| 02:04.03 | Amadeo | How? |
| 02:04.10 | Mudkips | I wonder why alliance wins 90% of alterac valley games |
| 02:04.15 | Amadeo | oh, you mean WoW? |
| 02:04.21 | Amadeo | that varies by battlegroup |
| 02:04.32 | Keias | Uh |
| 02:04.36 | Keias | I can tell you why |
| 02:04.39 | Keias | At least in Bloodlust |
| 02:04.42 | ckknight | I could do it better |
| 02:04.42 | ckknight | :-P |
| 02:04.45 | NM|Xinhuan | well in battlegrounds, the AV map is "symetrical" in terms of graveyards |
| 02:04.46 | Keias | we have 30 afkers on Horde |
| 02:04.46 | Keias | every game |
| 02:04.49 | Amadeo | ckknight: I'll make it with you |
| 02:04.55 | QuantumDelta | not really NM|Xinhuan ;\ |
| 02:04.58 | RaydenUni | rumors are that deathknights dont start at lvl 1 |
| 02:05.02 | NM|Xinhuan | ya, i'm from BLoodlust, the amount of AFKers in it is crazy |
| 02:05.16 | Mudkips | there are 3 players in av now |
| 02:05.19 | Keias | Which realm? |
| 02:05.23 | NM|Xinhuan | you zone in, and you'll see about 10 ppl using bots to autojoin AV |
| 02:05.26 | Pkekyo | alliance benefited too much from the nerfing of horde base in comparison to horde's benefits imo... |
| 02:05.26 | RaydenUni | i think i might be bloodlust... i forget |
| 02:05.29 | Amadeo | I'm hoping there's no such thing as Death Knights, I think it'll ruin the game, lol |
| 02:05.29 | Kemayo | Rumor I heard was that deathknights start at "a high experience level". |
| 02:05.29 | NM|Xinhuan | and auto jump every few minutes |
| 02:05.33 | QuantumDelta | I'm in misery (EU), but prior to the nerf I was one of the AV Premade leaders xP |
| 02:05.41 | QuantumDelta | that map is so harshly biased to horde |
| 02:05.45 | Mudkips | afkers, ppl who report afkers ( doing nothign), and ppl who try to play ( get pwned by superior numbers ) |
| 02:05.45 | QuantumDelta | no idea why |
| 02:05.48 | NM|Xinhuan | if tichondrius and blackrock is in your BG, you're from Bloodlust |
| 02:05.54 | Keias | yeah, I'm from Blackrock |
| 02:06.01 | NM|Xinhuan | are you horde? |
| 02:06.04 | RaydenUni | i like the idea of new classes available once you have levelled something. but only having 1 hero class is lame |
| 02:06.04 | Keias | Yes |
| 02:06.07 | NM|Xinhuan | i'm alliance :o |
| 02:06.11 | Amadeo | Mythic once allowed the pre-leveling of characters if you had a level 50 (max level)...they later said it was one of the worst mistakes they made...I'm not sure why Blizzard would do the same with the Death Knight |
| 02:06.14 | Keias | lol fun stuff |
| 02:06.14 | QuantumDelta | (Meaning; no idea why it's so biased, I know exactly where it's biased :P) |
| 02:06.18 | Keias | I rarely see blackrock alliance in games :( |
| 02:06.21 | Mudkips | my guild rerolled on Barthilas a while back |
| 02:06.21 | NM|Xinhuan | so i think you can guess what NM stands for ;p |
| 02:06.27 | RaydenUni | although i'm guessing that deathknight won't be overpowered or even much more powerful than current classes |
| 02:06.32 | Mudkips | then we found it got paired up with the old realms |
| 02:06.43 | Mudkips | so it was like new server vs epic guilds gg |
| 02:06.47 | Amadeo | RaydenUni: I'd guess they will be, to promote sales, then later on they'll be nerfed |
| 02:06.54 | RaydenUni | but yes, i don't see any reason to start heroes at lvl 60 or 70 |
| 02:06.58 | Keias | Didn't blizzard say |
| 02:07.05 | Keias | like 12 or three thousand times |
| 02:07.05 | RaydenUni | Amadeo i don't think they need to be powerful for people to want to play a new class |
| 02:07.09 | Keias | That they scraped the whole hero class idea? |
| 02:07.13 | QuantumDelta | they did. |
| 02:07.17 | Amadeo | Keias: Yes |
| 02:07.20 | NM|Xinhuan | that was for TBC |
| 02:07.26 | Keias | That's why I'm a little reluctant to believe any of the new rumors |
| 02:07.29 | NM|Xinhuan | they never mentioned that for future expansions |
| 02:07.47 | Amadeo | RaydenUni: I know, but in order to play the new class you'll have to have a level 80 or something and do some quests probably, so that would provide a better goal |
| 02:07.51 | Starinnia | its to run against Warhammer's 18 classes imo |
| 02:07.57 | Keias | They should just release a few new classes |
| 02:08.03 | RaydenUni | i hope you do'nt have to be 80 |
| 02:08.08 | RaydenUni | 60 or 70 |
| 02:08.08 | Starinnia | battle mage! |
| 02:08.08 | NM|Xinhuan | do you idle #blackrock on ETG Keias? |
| 02:08.08 | Xuerian | A "few" would be really rough to balance out |
| 02:08.13 | QuantumDelta | 18 classes? :P |
| 02:08.13 | Keias | Something that can MT along with warriors, a DPSer (Monk imo), and a support class (like bard) |
| 02:08.18 | Keias | nope, Xinhuan |
| 02:08.24 | Amadeo | Or they could just add a new tree to each of the current classes :) |
| 02:08.29 | Keias | I've never liked the network much |
| 02:08.29 | Xuerian | A new tree would be cool |
| 02:08.35 | Roartindon | Melee mage ftw! |
| 02:08.41 | RaydenUni | what do you guys think about secondary classes in wow? sort of like GW? |
| 02:08.41 | NM|Xinhuan | i just connect to 4-5 networks at the same time heh |
| 02:08.47 | Xuerian | Keias: DRUIDS can MT. DRUIDS can DPS. Now... a support class would be cool |
| 02:08.54 | Amadeo | RaydenUni: I want specalization that you can't spec out of |
| 02:09.00 | ckknight | Amadeo: basically, I think the whole Alliance vs. Horde thing is kinda dumb. Although yes, I think that it's good to have tension between the races (starting at different faction friendliness and the like), I don't think they should be mortal enemies. |
| 02:09.00 | ckknight | It should be more of an Order vs. Chaos thing rather than a Horde vs. Alliance thing. PvP would in that light be more of a random pairing of races, more evenly distributed, much how America's Army does it with Honor vs. Liberty and such. |
| 02:09.00 | ckknight | Also in doing this, you remove the whole notion of a strict faction division, allowing for arbitrary "third" factions (no issue with goblins, they're neutral with everyone and the like). |
| 02:09.00 | Keias | fuck Druids |
| 02:09.06 | Mudkips | Druids: your new overlord |
| 02:09.06 | Xuerian | Keias: Fuck you =O |
| 02:09.13 | Keias | I hate druids with a passion! |
| 02:09.13 | Xuerian | Actually no, we'd like it |
| 02:09.19 | Keias | Cause I actually played one :( |
| 02:09.19 | NM|Xinhuan | well they had to follow the storyline from Warcraft 1-2-3 |
| 02:09.26 | Keias | and had to always be resto |
| 02:09.26 | RaydenUni | ckknight but alliance vs horde is at the heart of warcraft lore |
| 02:09.26 | Keias | And never had mangle at the time |
| 02:09.33 | Xuerian | Keias: Hahaha |
| 02:09.33 | Pkekyo | imo, would be better if you could "modify" your char into a hero by quests or something... warriors: death knight, warlocks: necromancers etc... |
| 02:09.33 | Xuerian | Keias: Had to be? |
| 02:09.40 | NM|Xinhuan | you can't just change the story to horde and alliance liking each other suddenly |
| 02:09.40 | Xuerian | Keias: Your guild sucked |
| 02:09.47 | Keias | Unfortunately :P |
| 02:09.47 | RaydenUni | and ckknight i think horde vs alliance creates a good feeling of "he's horde, therefore he is my friend" |
| 02:09.47 | ckknight | RaydenUni: um, so? You know that Thrall was tapping Joana's sweet ass. |
| 02:09.54 | Keias | So I just play with solely friend snow |
| 02:10.01 | Pkekyo | ahaha |
| 02:10.01 | Keias | friends now* even |
| 02:10.01 | ckknight | why not everyone be your friend? |
| 02:10.09 | ckknight | and why must Draenei hate Tauren? |
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| 02:10.17 | ckknight | makes no real sense. |
| 02:10.17 | RaydenUni | ckknight why do you need friends if you have no enemies? |
| 02:10.17 | Pkekyo | agreed |
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| 02:10.17 | Mudkips | Thrall is a pimp |
| 02:10.24 | RaydenUni | true, dranei should be horde :D |
| 02:10.24 | Keias | Because we can't communicate |
| 02:10.24 | NM|Xinhuan | draenei hates tauren? :O |
| 02:10.24 | Mudkips | Tyrande jumped in too |
| 02:10.32 | Pkekyo | taurens are so sexy and fluffy :< |
| 02:10.32 | ckknight | RaydenUni: basically the environment (instances and the like) are the enemy |
| 02:10.40 | Pkekyo | everyone should love taurens |
| 02:10.40 | Keias | No |
| 02:10.49 | Amadeo | ckknight: I like the idea of choosing your own path with characters that you would like to play, having more freedom rather than being stuck to one faction |
| 02:10.49 | Keias | Taurens suck too! |
| 02:10.49 | RaydenUni | mmm, steak |
| 02:10.49 | Keias | Fix their necks! |
| 02:10.49 | ckknight | Amadeo: right. |
| 02:10.57 | NM|Xinhuan | "can't communicate" is just a game restriction for faction purposes though |
| 02:10.57 | Keias | If they had their heads ABOVE their shoulders, they'd be awesome |
| 02:11.09 | Keias | The communication issues are just to keep fights going |
| 02:11.18 | ckknight | Amadeo: I mean, yes, some factions hate one another by default, that's fine, but you should have some way to change it or be friendly with both or hate both |
| 02:11.18 | Mudkips | Don't hate because we're furry |
| 02:11.18 | NM|Xinhuan | remember Undead used to be able to speak "Common" |
| 02:11.27 | RaydenUni | what would you have instead of horde and alliance being at war? |
| 02:11.27 | Amadeo | ckknight: Yeah, I agree |
| 02:11.27 | RaydenUni | everyone is friendly with everyone? |
| 02:11.36 | CIA-22 | 03kemayo * r45564 10OpenAll/ (. OpenAll.lua OpenAll.toc): OpenAll: Add a "Take Cash" button, because it's only a few extra lines to do it. |
| 02:11.36 | Pkekyo | imo, taurens and draenei are the two races who'd be better off as more "neutral" races, rather than hating all allies/hordies |
| 02:11.45 | Keias | I agree |
| 02:11.45 | ckknight | Amadeo: and the ability to add arbitrary factionless or third-faction races is very appealing |
| 02:11.45 | Keias | I'd love to kill Tauren :D |
| 02:11.45 | Amadeo | RaydenUni: I'd like to have it so you could do what you want, but your actions have consequences |
| 02:11.55 | RaydenUni | if you've played war3 you know why tauren are horde |
| 02:11.55 | ckknight | Pkekyo: right. |
| 02:11.55 | RaydenUni | it's not because they were at war with the alliance |
| 02:12.08 | aen` | is there a way to use CSS to make a word or phrase a certain color? |
| 02:12.08 | Keias | RaydenUni, if you played WoW you'd know all lore limitations are off limits now :P |
| 02:12.08 | Pkekyo | I can see no reason why a tauren shouldn't /moohug a draenei...except from that nasty squidface, that is :< |
| 02:12.08 | NM|Xinhuan | Pkekyo: storyline-wise, i'll agree, but implementing it.. it'll be far harder |
| 02:12.08 | RaydenUni | Amadeo sounds like an entirely different game then :) |
| 02:12.08 | kenlyric | I need to play war3 |
| 02:12.08 | Amadeo | RaydenUni: Oh yeah, not talking about WoW :) |
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| 02:12.15 | ckknight | yea, this is more the theoretical MMO |
| 02:12.18 | kenlyric | every time I see new content in wow, i'm disappointed to find it's rehashed war3 content :) |
| 02:12.22 | Xuerian | Factionless would be great |
| 02:12.34 | RaydenUni | many of the bosses are from war3 |
| 02:12.36 | Mudkips | kenlyric, well it is the Worlf of Warcraft |
| 02:12.38 | Pkekyo | NM|Xinhuan: it could be like undead/common in the wow beta... able to communicate etc, but still not friendly towards eachother |
| 02:12.39 | Amadeo | kenlyric: I don't think they're far enough along to start writing more :) |
| 02:12.40 | ckknight | but srsly, with the lack of factions wrt battlegrounds, you have even sides pretty much constantly (unless you have premades, which I think is a good thing overall) |
| 02:12.42 | Mudkips | what else are they going to do |
| 02:12.45 | kenlyric | Pkekyo: you know, you don't *have* to hate the other faction. |
| 02:12.50 | Mudkips | World* |
| 02:13.00 | NM|Xinhuan | can you imagine Starcraft as a MMO? i can't imagine those 3 races ever working together long term really |
| 02:13.00 | RaydenUni | kael'thas, zul'jin?, illidan. if you haven't played war3 you wouldn't know much about them |
| 02:13.04 | Pkekyo | kenlyric: true, but that is the way that the game is set up now |
| 02:13.13 | kenlyric | argent dawn does it. druids too. |
| 02:13.31 | RaydenUni | NM|Xinhuan they work together short term in starcraft. Kerrigan backstabs like crazy :D |
| 02:13.38 | ckknight | yea, there's no reason Tauren should hate Night Elves, really. |
| 02:13.46 | NM|Xinhuan | yeah hence i said long-term |
| 02:13.54 | Pkekyo | yes there is, ckknight! THEY SMELL! =( |
| 02:14.02 | Keias | hatred by association I suppose |
| 02:14.02 | RaydenUni | true, NE smell |
| 02:14.10 | Mudkips | sluts |
| 02:14.10 | Pkekyo | =D |
| 02:14.10 | Mudkips | lovely lovely sluts |
| 02:14.10 | NM|Xinhuan | gnomes > all |
| 02:14.18 | Mudkips | :O~ |
| 02:14.18 | RaydenUni | gnomes > all for punting |
| 02:14.40 | Keias | we hated the Japanese during WW2 cause they sided with the germans! |
| 02:14.40 | Keias | Same principal! |
| 02:14.40 | Pkekyo | RaydenUni: agreed! |
| 02:14.40 | RaydenUni | uh |
| 02:14.40 | RaydenUni | we hated the japanese in ww2 because they bombed Pearl Harbor unprovoked... |
| 02:14.40 | ckknight | Keias: we were also non-hostile for like 4 years. |
| 02:14.40 | Keias | That too |
| 02:14.40 | Amadeo | I always wanted Hero classes in WoW, not for their power, but so people would have paths to choose. I think it would add a lot of diversity to the game that would make it more fun..instead of always having a Paladin, you might have a Crusader or Death Knight or something like that |
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| 02:14.41 | Pkekyo | "That too"? rofl |
| 02:14.45 | Amadeo | instead of being seperate classes, just specialized subclasses |
| 02:14.49 | Keias | Personally I never liked that little scrap of land in the south pacific |
| 02:14.54 | Keias | But any excuse to go at it, sure! |
| 02:14.59 | NM|Xinhuan | the IGN article is pretty vague |
| 02:15.01 | ckknight | hey, I live on that scrap of land |
| 02:15.07 | Keias | Which island? |
| 02:15.08 | NM|Xinhuan | so i wouldn't go into deep thought about it |
| 02:15.09 | Pkekyo | the us wouldn't go nuke the japanese if they said "we don't hate hitler like you do" |
| 02:15.14 | Keias | I know someone on Oahu I think it is |
| 02:15.24 | RaydenUni | we weren't really peaceful with Japan before Pearl Harbor, they were taking over the pacific and we didnt like it. but it wasn't their alliance with germany that started the war |
| 02:15.52 | Keias | You're getting too deep into my (now) lame joke :( |
| 02:16.01 | Keias | I hate you RaydenUni! |
| 02:16.09 | NM|Xinhuan | ~_~ |
| 02:16.18 | purl | :/ |
| 02:16.18 | Pkekyo | xD |
| 02:16.18 | Keias | Why must you build a screendoor on my submarine? |
| 02:16.18 | ckknight | Keias: Oahu |
| 02:16.31 | Mudkips | my friend lives in hawaii |
| 02:16.39 | RaydenUni | what about this for "hero classes." Make a few (6?) minor hero classes. these add some new abilities. Any class can add these hero classes to their own at level 70. You can't repick. |
| 02:16.39 | Keias | Awesome ckknight :D |
| 02:16.47 | Mudkips | he likes to run marathons now so he quit wow |
| 02:16.56 | Amadeo | When ckknight isn't coding addons, he's raw diving to catch sharks by hand, with a little poi on his thumb and a baseball bat in the other hand |
| 02:16.56 | RaydenUni | ckknight you are in hawaii? |
| 02:17.05 | RaydenUni | i was in hawaii last week on a cruise |
| 02:17.05 | ckknight | yes, RaydenUni |
| 02:17.15 | ckknight | Amadeo: ... |
| 02:17.15 | Keias | I always give my friend shit when her net acts up |
| 02:17.25 | Keias | I blame the sharks :( |
| 02:17.25 | Pkekyo | In Hawaii they say Aloha, which means both "hello" and "goodbye"...Which just comes to show that if you spend too much time in the sun, you don't know wether you're coming or going! |
| 02:17.25 | Amadeo | ckknight ;) |
| 02:17.25 | Fin | herro! |
| 02:17.35 | NM|Xinhuan | somehow, i think "hero classes == more talent trees", who agrees with me? ;p |
| 02:17.35 | ckknight | Pkekyo: it also means "I love you" |
| 02:17.35 | ckknight | or something |
| 02:17.46 | aen` | anyone use CSS? |
| 02:17.46 | ckknight | NM|Xinhuan: me, but I don't see an issue with that |
| 02:17.46 | Keias | Isn't there something called Pigeon english? |
| 02:17.58 | ckknight | Pidgin |
| 02:17.58 | ckknight | yea, it's horrid. |
| 02:17.58 | Keias | Ahh ok |
| 02:17.58 | Keias | lol |
| 02:17.58 | kenlyric | NM|Xinhuan: I think hero classes = fake. |
| 02:18.10 | Keias | Yeah, I've heard horror stories about it |
| 02:18.10 | Pkekyo | purl, Aloha is In Hawaii they say Aloha, which means both "hello" and "goodbye"...Which just comes to show that if you spend too much time in the sun, you don't know wether you're coming or going! |
| 02:18.11 | purl | okay, Pkekyo |
| 02:18.11 | Mudkips | my Pidgin has been crashing a lot lately |
| 02:18.23 | RaydenUni | mmm, yes. hero subclass. adds some new 70-80 abilties and mini talent tree |
| 02:18.23 | Mudkips | just random crap I can't figure out |
| 02:18.23 | NM|Xinhuan | we'll find out in a few days i guess, at Blizzcon |
| 02:18.23 | RaydenUni | i like that idea |
| 02:18.48 | Pkekyo | ~irc |
| 02:18.49 | purl | from memory, irc is Multiplayer Notepad - also known as Internet Relay Chat or a massive time sink, or eternally the cyber land of the rising sun |
| 02:18.49 | Keias | My pidgin has ran fine since it's renaming :) |
| 02:18.49 | NM|Xinhuan | Blizzcon would be a good time to announce an expansion |
| 02:18.49 | kenlyric | pidgin is a general linguistics term, describing the first generation of two languages merging together. |
| 02:18.49 | Mudkips | oh by the way question: is the darkmoon faire up in US realms now? |
| 02:18.49 | ckknight | Amadeo: also, I think that like WAR, it'd be cool to change how you look based on level, but also to go along with that, change how you look based on your talent tree |
| 02:18.49 | NM|Xinhuan | no Mudkips |
| 02:18.49 | Mudkips | I really want to turn in my furies deck |
| 02:18.49 | Amadeo | ckknight: Yeah, definitely |
| 02:18.49 | ckknight | Amadeo: e.g. Shadow priests would be darker than Holy priests |
| 02:18.49 | ckknight | and such |
| 02:18.52 | Pkekyo | is purl slow tonight? |
| 02:18.53 | Amadeo | ckknight: Maybe based on your actions in the game, too |
| 02:18.56 | kenlyric | pidgins either die by adoption of one of the languages, or turn into creoles. |
| 02:19.02 | ckknight | Amadeo: ah, I dunno about that |
| 02:19.05 | NM|Xinhuan | Mudkips: darkmoonfaire comes 3 days after the first friday of each month - and stays for 7 days (monday-monday) |
| 02:19.08 | ckknight | Amadeo: I don't buy the whole good vs. evil argument |
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| 02:19.21 | ckknight | I see it as a matter of perspective |
| 02:19.26 | Xuerian | It's all a perspective anyway |
| 02:19.30 | kenlyric | someone tell purl that IRC is your first, best source of breaking news. |
| 02:19.32 | Mudkips | I thought it was the first monday of each month? |
| 02:19.34 | Xuerian | Well, not all.. some of it IS "evil" |
| 02:19.37 | RaydenUni | <ckknight> Amadeo: e.g. Shadow priests would be darker than Holy priests <-- you mean when they aren't in shadowform? |
| 02:19.37 | Amadeo | It's still perspective, but looking the part doesn't hurt ;) |
| 02:19.47 | NM|Xinhuan | so darkmoon faire will arrive on July 8 and stay till july 15, because july 5 is the first friday of the month |
| 02:19.52 | ckknight | RaydenUni: that's a spell, I mean they would have a darker gloom about them |
| 02:19.57 | ckknight | if you know what I mean |
| 02:20.01 | RaydenUni | are you guys talking Fable like choices and appearances? |
| 02:20.02 | ckknight | but it'd apply to all classes |
| 02:20.09 | ckknight | never played Fable |
| 02:20.10 | Amadeo | RaydenUni: When they walk through a field, the tulips die |
| 02:20.14 | Wobwork | Not a bad game |
| 02:20.18 | Amadeo | haha |
| 02:20.24 | Mudkips | I got married to everynog in Fable |
| 02:20.27 | kenlyric | well, warhammer is going to let your HAIR grow longer! |
| 02:20.27 | Mudkips | hahaha |
| 02:20.37 | Mudkips | everyone* |
| 02:20.46 | ckknight | kenlyric: only for dwarves |
| 02:20.47 | kenlyric | it'sclearly better! |
| 02:20.47 | ckknight | kenlyric: orcs turn blacker |
| 02:21.04 | Amadeo | I have to admit, Warhammer has some ugly graphics |
| 02:21.04 | RaydenUni | in fable you can make good and bad choices |
| 02:21.04 | RaydenUni | your appearance changes drastically |
| 02:21.04 | kenlyric | oooh... randomly uselessness. |
| 02:21.04 | NM|Xinhuan | Mudkips: its not really first monday of the month - its 3 days after the first friday of the month ;p |
| 02:21.05 | Amadeo | RaydenUni: I remember reading about that |
| 02:21.05 | Pkekyo | RaydenUni: yeah, like that |
| 02:21.05 | Xuerian | Sortof like your god in Black & White |
| 02:21.08 | RaydenUni | if you are really good you glow like a paladin and have light shining down on you |
| 02:21.09 | Xuerian | er.. pet |
| 02:21.12 | ckknight | Xuerian: exactly |
| 02:21.15 | kenlyric | it's the first monday after the first friday of the month. |
| 02:21.17 | Mudkips | you turn unpopular if you do bad things |
| 02:21.18 | RaydenUni | if you are evil your character is really dark |
| 02:21.19 | Mudkips | that way sucked |
| 02:21.21 | kenlyric | it's like election day. |
| 02:21.23 | Amadeo | I also remember Peter Molyneux(sp) coming out and crying about how much his game sucked and how sorry he was for ever releasing it :P |
| 02:21.24 | Pkekyo | omg, I've gotta get Black & White 2 |
| 02:21.24 | Mudkips | but you turn really powerful |
| 02:21.32 | RaydenUni | Fable wasn't bad from what i've heard |
| 02:21.32 | Wobwork | what if monday is the first day of the month? |
| 02:21.36 | ckknight | Amadeo: which game? |
| 02:21.39 | Amadeo | Fable |
| 02:21.39 | Amadeo | haha |
| 02:21.40 | Wobwork | Fable was quite enjoyable |
| 02:21.42 | kenlyric | RaydenUni: so, black people are evil? |
| 02:21.42 | ckknight | ah |
| 02:21.43 | Wobwork | if somewhat linear |
| 02:21.48 | Mudkips | I really liked sneaking around at night and busting into peoples houses |
| 02:21.49 | kenlyric | or, evil people are black? |
| 02:21.55 | NM|Xinhuan | Wobwork: makes no difference, it still comes 3 days after the first friday |
| 02:21.57 | Amadeo | Racist! |
| 02:21.57 | ckknight | kenlyric: same difference |
| 02:21.59 | RaydenUni | kenlyric do'nt go there. i do'nt think any of us think that |
| 02:22.17 | ckknight | the Jews on the other hand... |
| 02:22.25 | ckknight | jk |
| 02:22.25 | Wobwork | So if monday is the first day of the month, it's not the first monday of the month? |
| 02:22.34 | Pkekyo | ahah |
| 02:22.34 | Xuerian | Regardless, wow could really use some reactionary appearance changes |
| 02:22.34 | NM|Xinhuan | nope |
| 02:22.43 | weab | are we talking about the RE5 trailer? |
| 02:22.43 | kenlyric | I think anyone who makes a game where you get darker based on evil actions, does. |
| 02:22.43 | Mudkips | ya to kill my graphix more |
| 02:22.43 | Wobwork | What is it then? The last monday of the previous month? |
| 02:22.52 | Wobwork | or is the poor monday stuck in limbo? |
| 02:23.02 | Mudkips | they need to get rid of the stupid NPCs clogging up shattrah |
| 02:23.02 | kenlyric | everyone knows evil people are pale and pasty white anyway. |
| 02:23.02 | NM|Xinhuan | ~_~ |
| 02:23.03 | purl | :/ |
| 02:23.03 | Wobwork | monthless |
| 02:23.03 | weab | kenlyric: yin vs yang? |
| 02:23.03 | Mudkips | eats my megahurtz |
| 02:23.28 | Wobwork | orphaned |
| 02:23.28 | kenlyric | Wobwork: it's the next monday. |
| 02:23.29 | RaydenUni | you do'nt really make moral choices in wow, so your appearance couldnt' be based on that |
| 02:23.35 | kenlyric | if the first is monday, darkmoon faire is on the 8th. |
| 02:23.37 | RaydenUni | but appearance based on spec would be cool |
| 02:23.57 | Necrathex | WTB hairdresser in wow |
| 02:24.05 | Amadeo | Mages could turn into bottled water |
| 02:24.05 | kenlyric | this isn't really rocket surgery. |
| 02:24.05 | Pkekyo | RaydenUni: more like specc etc, and wether or not you're a ganker, if you help people out by healing etc |
| 02:24.23 | Pkekyo | Necrathex: WTB horndresser in wow |
| 02:24.33 | Necrathex | ^^ |
| 02:24.42 | Necrathex | my gnome's hair sucks :( |
| 02:24.53 | kenlyric | should have chosen better hair. |
| 02:24.54 | Pkekyo | my tauren warrior has druid-ish horns :< |
| 02:25.20 | Mudkips | they seriously need to redraw the tauren cat form |
| 02:25.20 | ckknight | Amadeo: also, wtf doesn't WoW have a Hair Cuttery? |
| 02:25.20 | Mudkips | the mouth must be really dry |
| 02:25.28 | Amadeo | ckknight: I thought they should also, appearance is one thing, but hair should change :) |
| 02:25.30 | RaydenUni | in Fable you can grow horns :D |
| 02:25.50 | Mudkips | you can also punt chickens |
| 02:25.55 | Mudkips | fun game |
| 02:26.06 | ckknight | Amadeo: oh yea, hair should be _easy_ to change, I mean, cost gold and all (but not fucking increasing, I hate that) |
| 02:26.06 | Keias | We throw magic and swing weapons twice our size in WoW |
| 02:26.06 | Keias | But we're too primative for hair dye and cutting |
| 02:26.09 | Amadeo | ckknight: Like talents? Yeah, it's lame |
| 02:26.18 | ckknight | haircut = 1g flat rate |
| 02:26.20 | ckknight | that's all |
| 02:26.25 | ckknight | and maybe change some accessories |
| 02:26.28 | RaydenUni | http://www.mtv.com/games/video_games/images/promoimages/d/dime/good_to_be_bad/fable.jpg |
| 02:26.30 | ckknight | tattoos, earrings, etc. |
| 02:26.32 | Necrathex | but in wow appearance is for 90% your gear, which is dependant on spec.. |
| 02:26.34 | Amadeo | ckknight: I imagine they will add that later on |
| 02:26.35 | Mudkips | you know if respec costs didn't increase so much |
| 02:26.40 | Mudkips | prot tanks would be a lot happier |
| 02:26.43 | Pkekyo | stop talking about haircuts AND TELL ME WHAT TO DO WITH MY HORNS :< |
| 02:26.46 | Keias | No kidding |
| 02:26.54 | Mudkips | almost all of our warriors participate in arena |
| 02:26.59 | Keias | I barely get by respeccing cause of Daily quests |
| 02:27.05 | Pkekyo | Mudkips: I'm acutally pondering wether or not I can afford to specc dps again now :< |
| 02:27.06 | Mudkips | so they always spend money on speccing prot for when we need it |
| 02:27.10 | KarlThePagan | can anyone help me with a World of Patchcraft level? this 0.2.0-7051 instance is killing me... |
| 02:27.16 | NM|Xinhuan | there's quite a few easy dailies |
| 02:27.20 | Pkekyo | that's 100g for one night of pvp |
| 02:27.23 | NM|Xinhuan | from ogrila |
| 02:27.33 | Pkekyo | NM|Xinhuan: true, but not everyone has acess to them |
| 02:27.36 | Keias | Yeah, ogrila is awesome |
| 02:27.36 | Amadeo | I don't know though, I never really got the same sense of scale in WoW that I did in EQ |
| 02:27.45 | Keias | Orgri'la you just need to do a chain of elite mobs |
| 02:27.48 | NM|Xinhuan | yeah but at least blizzard added them |
| 02:27.51 | Keias | Which takes like... an hour |
| 02:27.53 | NM|Xinhuan | ya |
| 02:27.54 | Keias | Then you can do all the dailies with them |
| 02:28.01 | Mudkips | like when I was a pure resto druid |
| 02:28.01 | Keias | (new one at honored) |
| 02:28.01 | KarlThePagan | and 3-4 people to help you |
| 02:28.01 | Wobwork | Amadeo: Reroll a class that doesn' have fast travel speed |
| 02:28.01 | Mudkips | I wouldn't mind changing specs to farm some mobs |
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| 02:28.06 | Mudkips | its a bitch when you can't do damage |
| 02:28.13 | RaydenUni | rogue spec doesn't define their gear |
| 02:28.13 | Amadeo | Wobwork: That's all of mine, lol |
| 02:28.18 | RaydenUni | not entirely |
| 02:28.22 | RaydenUni | not like other classes |
| 02:28.30 | NM|Xinhuan | either that, or use an alt to farm |
| 02:28.32 | Pkekyo | keias: true, but it's kinda hard getting it done when everyone else has done it ages ago |
| 02:28.35 | Amadeo | Wobwork: It's not the same as taking a Gnome to EverFrost and starting at the spiders that dwarf you :P |
| 02:28.45 | Necrathex | because rogue class is dull :/ |
| 02:28.45 | Wobwork | dwarf |
| 02:28.48 | Keias | yeah, that's true too |
| 02:28.48 | Wobwork | lol |
| 02:28.54 | Mudkips | and I'm not a fan of alts |
| 02:28.54 | Amadeo | haha |
| 02:28.54 | Necrathex | needs love |
| 02:28.55 | ckknight | well, I'm off to my brother's place |
| 02:28.55 | Mudkips | I have a ton of characters below lvl 50 |
| 02:28.56 | Pkekyo | I've been stuck at Into The Soulgrinder for weeks now :< |
| 02:28.57 | Keias | see ya ckknight |
| 02:29.00 | Pkekyo | laters ckknight |
| 02:29.01 | Amadeo | ckknight: But, my PitBull! |
| 02:29.02 | Amadeo | :P |
| 02:29.03 | Mudkips | my one and only 70 is the druid |
| 02:29.07 | NM|Xinhuan | rogues suck - they are the only class that can't buff other classes in some way |
| 02:29.14 | Wobwork | hemo |
| 02:29.23 | Amadeo | hah |
| 02:29.25 | NM|Xinhuan | ok hemo is about the only talent :o |
| 02:29.27 | Necrathex | aren't they going to fix expose armor finally? |
| 02:29.30 | Arrowmaster | imp kidney shot |
| 02:29.30 | Wobwork | expose armour |
| 02:29.31 | RaydenUni | http://okoloth.blogspot.com/ |
| 02:29.32 | Amadeo | bandage |
| 02:29.34 | Mudkips | ... |
| 02:29.37 | Mudkips | you're just stretching it |
| 02:29.40 | NM|Xinhuan | expose armor doesn't count ! |
| 02:29.43 | Wobwork | why not? |
| 02:29.45 | Wobwork | works great with pally tanks |
| 02:29.50 | Necrathex | expose armor has been useless since the start of wwo |
| 02:29.57 | RaydenUni | NM|Xinhuan what about priests? hardcore raiding guilds only bring them to buff... |
| 02:30.02 | NM|Xinhuan | doesn't stack with sunders |
| 02:30.03 | Amadeo | Expose armor isn't useless |
| 02:30.07 | Wobwork | Thus |
| 02:30.07 | Mudkips | sunders are just better |
| 02:30.09 | NM|Xinhuan | priests add Misery to the boss |
| 02:30.11 | Wobwork | works great with pally tanks =P |
| 02:30.14 | NM|Xinhuan | 5% is good |
| 02:30.14 | Mudkips | expose armor uses up combo points |
| 02:30.21 | Amadeo | Expose was a good PvP tactic |
| 02:30.25 | Mudkips | warriors just have to hit 1 button to refresh it |
| 02:30.28 | Wobwork | pallies don't use sunder =) |
| 02:30.36 | RaydenUni | NM|Xinhuan you only need 1 priest though for power word fort and if he's shadow then shadow weaving and misery |
| 02:30.41 | Amadeo | Mudkips: but that costs Rage :) |
| 02:30.43 | NM|Xinhuan | yes but warriors can still use Sunders to allow other classes to benefit ;p |
| 02:30.49 | NM|Xinhuan | even if a pally is tanking |
| 02:31.00 | loonacy | So what's the deal with PitBull and freeform party unitframes? I see a bit of code commented out that seems to suggest it's possible. |
| 02:31.06 | Wobwork | that's beside the point |
| 02:31.10 | NM|Xinhuan | my guild usually brings more spriests than hpriests to raids :P |
| 02:31.15 | Wobwork | You said that rogues don't have any helpful buffs |
| 02:31.17 | Mudkips | the only expose we use is -improved- expose when a druid is MT |
| 02:31.33 | RaydenUni | NM|Xinhuan the way it is now paladins have better healing than priests :/ |
| 02:31.41 | Mudkips | and we're really pushing for low armor with CoR |
| 02:31.51 | NM|Xinhuan | exactly so a raid is like 4 pallies, 1 holy priest, 2 shamans, 1 druids for healing ;p |
| 02:31.53 | Pkekyo | is 20g a stiff crafting fee on Dirge? |
| 02:31.53 | Wobwork | You could equally say that a dps warr's sunders are replaceing the expose |
| 02:31.57 | RaydenUni | so you guys know in the leeroy jenkins video when they talk about the devout shoulders and how leeroy needs them as a paladin for healing? don't healing pallies wear priest gear now? |
| 02:31.59 | NM|Xinhuan | if we even bring 8 that is |
| 02:32.38 | NM|Xinhuan | chain heal rocks the world too |
| 02:32.38 | *** join/#wowace orange\ (n=C@d206-75-164-191.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 02:32.38 | Pkekyo | RaydenUni: you know how they did the survival calculations from the leeroy movie? |
| 02:32.46 | RaydenUni | ? |
| 02:32.49 | RaydenUni | i just watched so yes |
| 02:32.50 | Wobwork | hehe I recall watching that movie and thinking "Wow, UBRS, I'll never get in -there-!" |
| 02:32.53 | Nargiddley | Roartindon, i have managed to get it to sort of lock up |
| 02:32.55 | orange\ | whats the macro code to make my LEft alt button use a trinket slow? |
| 02:32.58 | RaydenUni | or are you asking if i know how they did it? |
| 02:32.58 | orange\ | *slot |
| 02:33.09 | Roartindon | Nargiddley: How so? |
| 02:33.12 | Pkekyo | I want the formula for it :p |
| 02:33.18 | Diao | i don't think you can hotkey just the alt key |
| 02:33.26 | Nargiddley | Roartindon, with niagara set to sections selecting display sets |
| 02:33.31 | Necrathex | i just did that ubrs room 30 minutes ago |
| 02:33.35 | NM|Xinhuan | orange\: don't think you can do it this patch |
| 02:33.39 | Roartindon | Nargiddley: That's just a very very long processing time |
| 02:33.39 | RaydenUni | i've never done ubrs |
| 02:33.43 | NM|Xinhuan | they are adding it next patch isn't it? |
| 02:33.43 | Roartindon | due to thousands of things it's recursing |
| 02:33.43 | Nargiddley | yeah i know |
| 02:33.50 | orange\ | no alt damnnn u wow.. |
| 02:33.54 | Necrathex | we had a few hatchers run free, they kept pulling new whelps |
| 02:33.54 | Pkekyo | RaydenUni: how'd you manage that? O.o |
| 02:33.55 | orange\ | :( |
| 02:33.55 | Necrathex | lasted for ages |
| 02:33.59 | Roartindon | Nargiddley: Whereas the old click on Erase fight data (before it was disabled), caused it to lock up indefinitely |
| 02:33.59 | Nargiddley | its never meant to have that many |
| 02:34.03 | RaydenUni | Pkekyo never doing it? i hit 60 when BC came out |
| 02:34.07 | Nargiddley | Roartindon, k |
| 02:34.07 | Pkekyo | ah |
| 02:34.15 | Pkekyo | too bad you never got to do endgame :< |
| 02:34.19 | RaydenUni | it made me very sad that i wouldn't ge to do all that |
| 02:34.24 | Nargiddley | Roartindon, only thing i can think of is a bad interaction with the meta table |
| 02:34.31 | Wobwork | You can 4 man UBRS =P |
| 02:34.36 | Roartindon | I'll revert to the earlier waterfall |
| 02:34.36 | Pkekyo | lvl 60 endgame was soooo much better than tbc is :< |
| 02:34.40 | Roartindon | and pull out the metatable |
| 02:34.40 | Amadeo | Anyone play on Auchindoun? |
| 02:34.40 | Roartindon | and see what happens |
| 02:34.46 | Necrathex | Wobin: i just 3manned it :P |
| 02:34.57 | RaydenUni | what's sad is there is a ton of lvl 60 end game that will never really be used anymore |
| 02:35.01 | Wobwork | see? |
| 02:35.01 | Necrathex | other wob btw |
| 02:35.05 | Pkekyo | yeah |
| 02:35.10 | NM|Xinhuan | i don't know - do you really prefer 40-man raids over 25? |
| 02:35.20 | Wobwork | I prefer 25's |
| 02:35.20 | Pkekyo | they should make it into 25man encounters instead....buff them up |
| 02:35.25 | Wobwork | somewhat easier to get together |
| 02:35.25 | Necrathex | 5 man onyxia is fun too |
| 02:35.25 | Roartindon | NM|Xinhuan: Now that I've tried both, I prefer 25 mans |
| 02:35.35 | NM|Xinhuan | there's still as much AFKing going on though :( |
| 02:35.43 | Mudkips | 25 man raids is where it's at |
| 02:35.47 | Pkekyo | the instances was much more fun than they are now...s |
| 02:35.52 | NM|Xinhuan | particularly in 25s, each player is worth more as a whole |
| 02:35.56 | Mudkips | its easier to catch slackers |
| 02:36.00 | Mudkips | and afkers |
| 02:36.05 | NM|Xinhuan | if 5 ppl are AFK, 35-manning trash is easier than 20-manning trash |
| 02:36.10 | Mudkips | swift gkick |
| 02:36.15 | Wobwork | yeah, 40mans used to be effectively 25mans with 15 slackers =P |
| 02:36.22 | Pkekyo | yeah, but it was so much fun |
| 02:36.27 | NM|Xinhuan | 25mans are still 25mans with 15 slackers |
| 02:36.32 | NM|Xinhuan | ;p |
| 02:36.36 | NM|Xinhuan | if you catch my drift |
| 02:36.48 | kenlyric | I'd say it's a static percentage. |
| 02:36.52 | RaydenUni | http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.wowinsider.com/media/2007/08/zz72ef3e2f.jpg |
| 02:36.52 | RaydenUni | good grief |
| 02:36.57 | Pkekyo | they can't be if you haven't passed the encounter in gear level |
| 02:36.57 | Necrathex | that's why heroics are the best :P |
| 02:36.57 | kenlyric | 40% of any group is slackers. |
| 02:37.10 | kenlyric | so heroics are the worst, actually |
| 02:37.27 | Necrathex | you can't have ppl slacking in heroic |
| 02:37.32 | NM|Xinhuan | that's why when you do a heroic, you take the time to form a real group |
| 02:37.39 | NM|Xinhuan | even if it takes an hour |
| 02:37.39 | Roartindon | kenlyric: filtering a guild through heroics for 25-man access was painful |
| 02:37.39 | Pkekyo | I spent like 1k g on 350-375 blacksmithing...insane :< |
| 02:37.53 | RaydenUni | Pkekyo did that include mining your own? |
| 02:38.00 | kenlyric | that's why people don't like heroics. |
| 02:38.07 | kenlyric | not because they're hard, becuase they're hard with only 3 people. |
| 02:38.14 | Pkekyo | RaydenUni: some of it...had to buy some as well |
| 02:38.14 | NM|Xinhuan | i dunno, i have some 340 badges in my bank, after buying whatever i wanted |
| 02:38.22 | NM|Xinhuan | its just taking up space |
| 02:38.22 | Necrathex | i've stopped raiding for some time now, only doing 5mans |
| 02:38.22 | NM|Xinhuan | and the 19 nethers too |
| 02:38.29 | Pkekyo | NM|Xinhuan: give them to me |
| 02:38.37 | Pkekyo | I'm in dire need of buttloads of nethers |
| 02:38.46 | NM|Xinhuan | surefooted has never dropped for me, so... |
| 02:38.46 | Necrathex | NM|Xinhuan: pick up a crafting skill and spend them on nethers |
| 02:38.54 | Roartindon | Nargiddley: Looks like it's working for me fine, I reverted to the previous revision - the lockup he had was probably due to clicking on Display Sets next, which triggers the huge huge processing loop |
| 02:38.54 | Wobwork | is a buttload around the same size as a metric shitton? |
| 02:39.02 | kenlyric | I downed nightbane when they removed attunements. I felt bad, I really did. |
| 02:39.02 | RaydenUni | about Wobwork |
| 02:39.11 | NM|Xinhuan | Necrathex: can't - i'm enchanting and jewelcrafting and i make 500g-1000g daily with them sitting in IF |
| 02:39.11 | Nargiddley | Roartindon, thats what i was thinking |
| 02:39.11 | kenlyric | buttload is less than assload. |
| 02:39.11 | Pkekyo | Wobwork: slightly more |
| 02:39.11 | NM|Xinhuan | since i have every recipe |
| 02:39.11 | RaydenUni | i think a shitton is slightly more |
| 02:39.20 | NM|Xinhuan | and design |
| 02:39.20 | Necrathex | lol |
| 02:39.21 | NM|Xinhuan | worth more than any nethers |
| 02:39.29 | Nargiddley | Roartindon, i'm going to limit the number of controls |
| 02:39.29 | Roartindon | Nargiddley: But thanks for fixing up the .disabled bit :) |
| 02:39.29 | NM|Xinhuan | esp since i dont have to do heroics |
| 02:39.39 | Nargiddley | much over 200 or so and even scrolling slows down |
| 02:40.00 | Pkekyo | and there's about 3 assloads and 7.4 buttloads in one fuckload |
| 02:40.23 | Pkekyo | s/and/or |
| 02:40.25 | Wobwork | Damn those imperial measures |
| 02:40.25 | Arrowmaster | im a tailor and have all but 1 of the worlddrop epic patterns that use nethers, never make anything though since i never have nethers |
| 02:40.29 | Pkekyo | getting nethers is the hard part |
| 02:40.34 | kenlyric | bah |
| 02:40.34 | NM|Xinhuan | i had 50k gold at one point :) |
| 02:40.34 | Pkekyo | I'll never get my t2 sword :< |
| 02:40.36 | Roartindon | Nargiddley: Oh, another question - the right hand side of waterfall is resizable, but the default control size doesn't change, so that makes resizing of little use |
| 02:40.39 | kenlyric | first two bosses in mech. |
| 02:40.46 | Arrowmaster | and my server sucks so bad i wouldnt even think of pugging |
| 02:40.50 | RaydenUni | NM|Xinhuan you should "loan" me some |
| 02:40.50 | Roartindon | Nargiddley: Would it make sense to either 1. fix the size of hte waterfall frame, or 2. Make the controls stretch-able? |
| 02:40.52 | kenlyric | retarded monkeys could defeat those bosses. |
| 02:40.57 | Pkekyo | NM|Xinhuan: I hate you :< I had 2.5k at max, for my epic flyer, but bought bs plans instead :< |
| 02:41.00 | NM|Xinhuan | ;) |
| 02:41.16 | Roartindon | Nargiddley: I know that there are some times that I feel like I'd prefer to see more text by stretching the window, but the control sizes stay fixed |
| 02:41.35 | Arrowmaster | i made about 4.5k the first week of 2.1 while getting my netherdrake |
| 02:41.50 | Necrathex | bosses aren't really a problem in heroics |
| 02:41.50 | NM|Xinhuan | server reputation matters! people come to me daily, i dont' advertise or go anywhere ;p |
| 02:41.52 | Necrathex | it's the trash.. |
| 02:41.54 | *** join/#wowace buchkurish (n=alien@65.100.61.206) |
| 02:42.44 | Pkekyo | Necrathex: except for sepethrea in mech, that is...hate that cunt :< |
| 02:42.58 | NM|Xinhuan | i think the trash would be alright if they made the heroic trash mobs have a 0.5% chance to drop Nethers |
| 02:43.16 | Keias | I agree 100% with that |
| 02:43.19 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 02:43.24 | Arrowmaster | after just calling a raid because people kept fucking up on mag, im seriously looking for another game to play |
| 02:43.24 | NM|Xinhuan | someone should post that as a suggestion |
| 02:43.39 | Pkekyo | Arrowmaster: try Pong :> |
| 02:43.59 | Pkekyo | meh, fucking finnish spam in tradechan >.< |
| 02:44.19 | Necrathex | ppl will be doing less mechanar and more heroic SL then i think :p |
| 02:44.33 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 02:44.52 | NM|Xinhuan | heroic shattered halls is one of the fastest (but hardest) badges - 5 in 1.5 hours |
| 02:45.04 | NM|Xinhuan | mechnaar is easierthough |
| 02:45.15 | Arrowmaster | and faster if your good |
| 02:45.39 | NM|Xinhuan | blizz shouldn't have removed TK attunement |
| 02:45.59 | NM|Xinhuan | if they extended the time limit of the shattered halls component, it would have been good enough |
| 02:46.03 | NM|Xinhuan | as a nerf |
| 02:46.15 | Keias | You should see our trade chat spam |
| 02:46.26 | Arrowmaster | nothing wrong with the time limit on shattered halls |
| 02:46.26 | ccKep | SH was good as it was |
| 02:46.27 | Keias | Its like 20 people linking Thunderfury over and over and over and over |
| 02:46.45 | NM|Xinhuan | hehe Keias, on alliance side, if one person starts talking about Aus vs USA, it sparks a 1 hour argument on /2 |
| 02:46.52 | Arrowmaster | the only problem with shattered halls is that kargath is a fucking bitch and random as hell |
| 02:46.53 | ccKep | what i _really_ disliked was arcatraz |
| 02:46.53 | art3mis | i just thought up a great simple little addon |
| 02:47.03 | Keias | Yeah |
| 02:47.04 | ccKep | but maybe because I went with a fuck group markup there |
| 02:47.06 | Keias | It's the same for us |
| 02:47.14 | Necrathex | i think blizz wants more ppl to be able to experience endgame before they release new content |
| 02:47.15 | NM|Xinhuan | same server remember? :P |
| 02:47.20 | Necrathex | like they failed to do with naxx |
| 02:47.22 | Keias | Yep, I meant faction though |
| 02:47.22 | art3mis | its sole purpose is to list the main slash command for every addon you have loaded |
| 02:47.38 | Keias | NOt sure how high the aussie pop is for allies |
| 02:47.39 | *** join/#wowace Comxx (n=Comxx@75.142.22.168) |
| 02:47.45 | Arrowmaster | Necrathex: not going to happen |
| 02:47.52 | ccKep | a tank with like 400 tps, 2 melee, 1 warlock, me shaman healer.. it was HORROR |
| 02:47.52 | CIA-22 | 03nargiddley * r45565 10Waterfall-1.0/Waterfall-1.0/Waterfall-1.0.lua: Waterfall-1.0: Limit right pane to 200 controls to prevent locking up WoW for long periods when processing |
| 02:48.01 | NM|Xinhuan | art3mis: why would that be useful? |
| 02:48.02 | Arrowmaster | since lots of guilds cant get to hyjal |
| 02:48.12 | NM|Xinhuan | its about the same keias |
| 02:48.25 | NM|Xinhuan | check the Blackrock realm forums progression thread |
| 02:48.29 | art3mis | cuz i keep forgetting to load niagara and i cant remember the slash command for elkanos buff bars ;P |
| 02:48.30 | NM|Xinhuan | stickied on top |
| 02:48.31 | Necrathex | but at least they can go TK/SSC |
| 02:48.44 | NM|Xinhuan | 2 alliance guilds in Hyjal, 3 on horde |
| 02:48.53 | Arrowmaster | they need to make server transfers free and no limit |
| 02:48.54 | NM|Xinhuan | and about 15 together working on vashj |
| 02:49.07 | Arrowmaster | so all the good players can move to the same servers |
| 02:49.10 | kenlyric | NM|Xinhuan: is that a good thing or a bad thing? |
| 02:49.17 | NM|Xinhuan | its good |
| 02:49.30 | RogueShadow | That would be killer with constant name changing wouldn't it. |
| 02:49.32 | NM|Xinhuan | i mean, my server had 11 guilds that could kill Thaddius pre-TBC |
| 02:49.34 | NM|Xinhuan | i'll say its good |
| 02:49.40 | Arrowmaster | we have 1 guild on my server in hyjal/bt |
| 02:49.43 | Arrowmaster | and they suck |
| 02:49.45 | kenlyric | I wasn't sure. My server has one guild in BT and hyjal. |
| 02:49.50 | *** join/#wowace NightHawkTheSane (n=duaiwe@63-226-201-198.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 02:49.59 | ccKep | 2 here, but 3 more working on kael |
| 02:50.03 | Roartindon | my server has 0 in bt/hyjal |
| 02:50.08 | Necrathex | only 1 alliance and 1 horde guild killed vashj on mine :/ |
| 02:50.11 | Roartindon | Yay for release day server being so far behind |
| 02:50.24 | NM|Xinhuan | my server has 5 in BT/Hyjal - you've probably heard of 2 of them: Nurfed and Eminence |
| 02:50.28 | Arrowmaster | wow is too popular |
| 02:50.32 | kenlyric | a lot of release day servers are like that. |
| 02:50.35 | Keias | Which realm, Roartindon? |
| 02:50.37 | kenlyric | old, fractured popuplations. |
| 02:50.43 | Roartindon | Keias: silvermoon |
| 02:50.44 | Arrowmaster | im on a realease day server too |
| 02:50.46 | Keias | Ahh |
| 02:50.56 | Necrathex | same here |
| 02:51.02 | Roartindon | We had sooo many problems with losing people back during hte BWL days |
| 02:51.11 | Roartindon | when lag was killing our raids |
| 02:51.27 | kenlyric | large population + old server = slow progress. |
| 02:51.43 | Arrowmaster | we had lag problems too, then all the good players server transfered |
| 02:52.15 | NM|Xinhuan | we had lag problems until we invaded Argent Dawn ;p |
| 02:52.22 | Pkekyo | I FUCKING HATE BLIZZ ARMORY |
| 02:52.23 | Pkekyo | k. |
| 02:52.25 | NM|Xinhuan | 300 gnomes in ironforge |
| 02:52.26 | NM|Xinhuan | lol |
| 02:52.26 | kenlyric | we only had one guild server transfer during the most horrible lag times. But we all knew they left so wouldn't have to be #2 anymore :) |
| 02:52.58 | Arrowmaster | we used to have the #1 us horde guild on our server but they left |
| 02:53.27 | Keias | o_O |
| 02:53.32 | Keias | Which guild? |
| 02:53.37 | Arrowmaster | ropetown |
| 02:54.08 | Arrowmaster | they were #1 for most of the naxx race |
| 02:54.10 | Keias | I remember them from Burning Legion |
| 02:54.14 | Arrowmaster | then got passed up, then server transfered |
| 02:54.17 | kenlyric | we have 1000dps warrior. What else could we need? |
| 02:54.19 | Keias | I had a lowbe rogue there at one point |
| 02:54.29 | Roartindon | kenlyric: 2000dps warrior? :P |
| 02:54.34 | Comxx | Antiarc: you there |
| 02:54.37 | kenlyric | pfft. |
| 02:54.42 | Keias | I've played on a lot of servers now that I think about it |
| 02:54.50 | NM|Xinhuan | even though Nurfed has been on my server for 10 months, most still don't consider them as native-blackrock |
| 02:55.19 | Pkekyo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.19 | Pkekyo | the blizz armory is so fucking bloated it's not even funny :< |
| 02:55.32 | Necrathex | does that guy still have the legendary neck from MC? :P |
| 02:55.40 | kenlyric | don't blame the armory. blame the webpage. |
| 02:55.45 | NM|Xinhuan | blizz armory should show us /played |
| 02:55.45 | Roartindon | Tailsman of Binding Shard? |
| 02:55.52 | Necrathex | that one yea |
| 02:55.58 | kenlyric | the armory itself is highly efficient. |
| 02:56.04 | NM|Xinhuan | Necrathex: yes he does |
| 02:56.21 | Pkekyo | kenlyric: that's what I mean...the fucking piece of shit bloated interface |
| 02:56.27 | Pkekyo | which in turn is the armory |
| 02:56.33 | Pkekyo | I didn't say "armory database" |
| 02:56.39 | Pkekyo | raah |
| 02:56.56 | Necrathex | wow website sucks.. |
| 02:57.02 | kenlyric | I distinguish it as armory vs "horrible armory website" |
| 02:57.22 | kenlyric | since I access the armory through a text web page or irc bot. |
| 02:57.37 | Pkekyo | kenlyric: how? |
| 02:58.04 | kenlyric | it's all just xml. |
| 02:58.23 | kenlyric | pull it and throw it on a plain text webpage. Much faster. |
| 02:58.52 | Pkekyo | pull it? |
| 02:59.04 | Pkekyo | like...use my bow? |
| 03:00.32 | Pkekyo | http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?1192837 <--- how hard could it be for blizz to accomplish something like that with a search-field? |
| 03:01.36 | Necrathex | it looks crap :p |
| 03:02.00 | Pkekyo | well, it's better than having to wait 10 fucking minutes to get up a character pane |
| 03:02.07 | NM|Xinhuan | usability > all |
| 03:02.13 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 03:02.19 | Arrowmaster | i wish the damn tooltips worked on seamonkey |
| 03:02.27 | Necrathex | i agree, but that's not how the PR guys at blizz think |
| 03:02.34 | Pkekyo | the blizz's armory site is so bloated I almost cry every time I see it |
| 03:02.54 | Arrowmaster | i mean i wish the damn item tooltips worked with a seamonkey useragent since if i change my useragent to firefox they work fine |
| 03:03.08 | Pkekyo | it's impossible to even get the tooltip for the item you're hovering the mousepointer over >.< |
| 03:03.16 | Amadeo | Arrowmaster: Yeah, same with BonEcho |
| 03:03.16 | Amadeo | Only detects "Firefox" in the string |
| 03:03.26 | Arrowmaster | which is stupid |
| 03:03.34 | Amadeo | I've submitted that, but they didn't understand what I meant |
| 03:03.34 | kenlyric | armory isn't just wow bad. it's like, aol 1.0 bad. |
| 03:03.34 | Amadeo | they argued |
| 03:03.35 | Arrowmaster | it should check for gecho |
| 03:03.42 | Amadeo | and then didn't care |
| 03:03.42 | NM|Xinhuan | i heard that Safari browser loads the armory website instantly though - but is the ONLY browser that does so |
| 03:03.42 | NM|Xinhuan | IE and Firefox all choke on Armory |
| 03:03.53 | Keias | Firefox works the best for me on a windows machine |
| 03:04.01 | Amadeo | You wanna see choking, try Opera on the Armory :P |
| 03:04.01 | Necrathex | opera doesn't really like it either |
| 03:04.01 | Keias | IE and Opera |
| 03:04.01 | Keias | yeah |
| 03:04.01 | Keias | Opera is like |
| 03:04.10 | Arrowmaster | safari is probably getting the pure html version of the armory |
| 03:04.10 | Amadeo | haha |
| 03:04.18 | Keias | just dead :( |
| 03:04.26 | Amadeo | Opera eats up all my CPU on that site |
| 03:04.35 | Necrathex | mainly because of the tooltips i guess.. |
| 03:04.35 | kenlyric | you can lie about the UA and get a reasonable armory. |
| 03:04.45 | Pkekyo | opera's fine on all othe r sites, but it's a fucking nightmare to load anything from armory |
| 03:04.54 | Amadeo | kenlyric: Yeah, I set mine to Firefox |
| 03:04.54 | Necrathex | *fires up lynx* |
| 03:05.09 | Amadeo | I like Opera, but it still needs work...I'm really looking forward to trying Kestrel |
| 03:05.18 | Roartindon | how do you tell if safari is getting pure html or not of armor? |
| 03:05.18 | Roartindon | armory |
| 03:05.18 | weab | <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> |
| 03:05.18 | weab | <?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="/layout/pageIndex.xsl"> |
| 03:05.28 | weab | from safari |
| 03:05.28 | weab | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> |
| 03:05.28 | weab | <?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="/layout/pageIndex.xsl"?> |
| 03:05.28 | weab | from firefox |
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| 03:05.38 | Pkekyo | I like how Opera does everything without needing all those goddamn plugins that firefox uses |
| 03:05.47 | Roartindon | weab: Same as safari |
| 03:05.47 | Roartindon | Safari shows: |
| 03:05.47 | NM|Xinhuan | so whats the difference? |
| 03:05.57 | weab | not my safari |
| 03:05.57 | Roartindon | <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> |
| 03:05.57 | Roartindon | <?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="/layout/character-sheet.xsl"> |
| 03:06.07 | Roartindon | and mine loads instantly |
| 03:06.07 | Roartindon | (the armory) |
| 03:06.17 | NM|Xinhuan | you don't have to use any plugin for firefox |
| 03:06.17 | Amadeo | You're not using Safari on Windows, are you? |
| 03:06.17 | Roartindon | I'm using Mac Safari |
| 03:06.28 | Amadeo | Phew :) |
| 03:06.28 | NM|Xinhuan | so is it true? Safari loads armory instantly? |
| 03:06.28 | kenlyric | Pkekyo: so it does shit you don't need? |
| 03:06.38 | Roartindon | Yeah, it does for me |
| 03:06.38 | NM|Xinhuan | including the tooltips? |
| 03:06.39 | Roartindon | I've never noticed any lag/slowness on the armory pages |
| 03:06.49 | kenlyric | plugins > bundling everything in the goddamn browser. |
| 03:07.00 | weab | safari uses the xhtml. i'm not sure what Roartindon is saying |
| 03:07.00 | Roartindon | tooltips once the pages are loaded show immediately, if I hover early, I have to wait for 10 sec |
| 03:07.11 | NM|Xinhuan | it takse a good 10-15 secs (browser freezes) when you hover your mouse over an equipment icon |
| 03:07.11 | Pkekyo | kenlyric: no, I use pretty much all of it...except from the email client |
| 03:07.22 | NM|Xinhuan | for firefox |
| 03:07.22 | Pkekyo | cba to use an email client for gmail |
| 03:07.33 | kenlyric | it even bundles an email client? |
| 03:07.45 | kenlyric | lordy, it's netscape |
| 03:07.58 | kenlyric | crap, I can't remember what netscape's suite was called. |
| 03:08.10 | Pkekyo | kenlyric: bundles? define bundles please |
| 03:08.10 | Amadeo | kenlyric: yeah, Opera has everything, but it's still smaller than the other browsers |
| 03:08.21 | Amadeo | well, one reason is it's a compressed .exe |
| 03:08.22 | Amadeo | haha |
| 03:08.33 | Amadeo | they're mildly functional clients |
| 03:08.49 | Amadeo | M2 is pretty crappy |
| 03:08.49 | Pkekyo | M2? |
| 03:08.49 | Necrathex | opera gives a XSLT processing error when i identify as firefox lol |
| 03:08.50 | Amadeo | isn't that the name of the Opera email client? |
| 03:08.55 | Pkekyo | dunno, it's the only opera feature I've never used (I dunno how to set ut up to use gmail xD) |
| 03:09.03 | kenlyric | netscape communicator, that was it. |
| 03:09.16 | Amadeo | Pkekyo: it's easy, just have to set gmail to use pop |
| 03:09.23 | Amadeo | then set it up like it says |
| 03:09.28 | Amadeo | but I like it as webmail |
| 03:09.39 | Pkekyo | Amadeo: agreed |
| 03:09.45 | Pkekyo | the stuff opera does, it does well enough...it's nothing fancypants überstuff, but it gets the job done |
| 03:09.48 | kenlyric | can't imagine why anyone would read gmail over pop. |
| 03:09.52 | Pkekyo | <--- using Opera for irc right now |
| 03:10.03 | Pkekyo | I'd love to get gmail pop set up for my phone |
| 03:10.13 | Amadeo | I never really saw the point in IRC and BitTorrent for Opera, but oh well |
| 03:10.19 | kenlyric | ok, I guess that would be a good reason. |
| 03:10.27 | kenlyric | it has a bittorrent client? |
| 03:10.30 | kenlyric | oh lordy. |
| 03:10.31 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 03:10.33 | Pkekyo | I also use the Opera torrent client...just 'cause it's easier... |
| 03:10.45 | Pkekyo | click the link and wait... easy as pie |
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| 03:10.49 | Amadeo | but all the clients in Opera are very minimal |
| 03:10.54 | kenlyric | no wonder the seamonkey people hate opera so much :) |
| 03:11.01 | Amadeo | there are no options really |
| 03:11.09 | Pkekyo | it's just enough to get the job done, but nothing more...just as it should be imo |
| 03:11.24 | Amadeo | I just don't leave my browser open all day, so, I'd have no reason to use any of that stuff |
| 03:11.37 | Necrathex | love how you can reopen a closed tab in opera, press back three times and check what was in the webform you typed there ^^ |
| 03:11.38 | Amadeo | right now all I have is IRC and Miranda open |
| 03:11.43 | Pkekyo | Opera is never closed on this computer if there's no power failure x) |
| 03:11.56 | kenlyric | of course not. It has every application. |
| 03:11.59 | Amadeo | hahaha |
| 03:12.06 | Amadeo | What OS do you run? Opera. |
| 03:12.17 | Pkekyo | no, there's sadly no explorer client in opera :< |
| 03:12.25 | kenlyric | i'm sure it'll have a window manager soon. |
| 03:12.26 | Pkekyo | although I wouldn't mind it tbh...the windows one is fugly |
| 03:12.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Amadeo: no... you mean emacs :P |
| 03:12.33 | Amadeo | lol |
| 03:12.44 | kenlyric | emacs does everything naturally :) |
| 03:13.23 | NM|Xinhuan | bloatware ;p |
| 03:13.27 | Amadeo | anyone have old laptop memory? :P |
| 03:13.31 | Pkekyo | I just love opera 'cause I don't have to have fuckloads of windows open all the time...saves alot of time... |
| 03:13.46 | art3mis | i habve old laptops ;P |
| 03:13.50 | Amadeo | hah |
| 03:13.57 | Pkekyo | I'd wish it had msn functionality too though... |
| 03:14.06 | kenlyric | it needs a wow client. |
| 03:14.07 | NM|Xinhuan | msn is another bloatware |
| 03:14.12 | Amadeo | Pkekyo: How much memory is it using though? |
| 03:14.39 | Pkekyo | varying between 50 and 60k atm |
| 03:14.45 | Necrathex | eh, armory has loottables too nowadays? :o |
| 03:14.48 | Amadeo | could be worse |
| 03:14.53 | kenlyric | k? |
| 03:14.54 | Amadeo | I imagined like 100-140 :P |
| 03:14.56 | kenlyric | not m? |
| 03:14.59 | Pkekyo | which doesn't bother me, 'cause I have fuckloads to spare :> |
| 03:15.00 | Amadeo | he means M :P |
| 03:15.08 | Pkekyo | kenlyric: it's kB |
| 03:15.34 | Amadeo | Opera uses more than 60k :P |
| 03:15.52 | Pkekyo | not for me |
| 03:15.52 | NM|Xinhuan | armory's item database is SLOW though |
| 03:15.57 | Amadeo | maybe 60,000k |
| 03:16.21 | Necrathex | my opera uses 112MB |
| 03:16.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: i refuse to believe that any semi-modern browser can operate on <1mb of ram. |
| 03:16.29 | Amadeo | hahaha |
| 03:16.38 | Necrathex | it has been running for a week now though |
| 03:16.39 | Amadeo | I've had Opera use 140MB before |
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| 03:16.44 | kenlyric | usually, 60,000kb is written as 60mb. |
| 03:16.59 | kenlyric | it's not accurate, but close. |
| 03:17.02 | Amadeo | kenlyric: in task manager it shows 60,000k and stuff :P |
| 03:17.07 | Pkekyo | NM|Xinhuan: that's 'cause of all the strain it's under constantly....ofc, the bloated UI doesn't really help the loading times either |
| 03:17.07 | Zicon | Opera can and will use available memory for cache. Take that into account when you look at memory usage. |
| 03:17.34 | Amadeo | Zicon: They all do these days |
| 03:17.40 | kenlyric | Amadeo: yeah, I guess. It's so dumb :) |
| 03:17.42 | NM|Xinhuan | Pkekyo: the strain on the servers can't be that much worse than thottbot or wowhead or allakhazam |
| 03:17.45 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, most apps do that |
| 03:17.54 | kenlyric | chatzilla is horrible bitch goddess of ram usage. |
| 03:18.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Good modern OS's are designed around the fact that apps will try to eat as much ram as possible for caching. |
| 03:18.05 | kenlyric | but I'm addicted to line compression. |
| 03:18.05 | Pkekyo | NM|Xinhuan: true, that's probably where the bloated ui comes in...either that or just plain shitty hardware or software |
| 03:18.12 | Amadeo | that's why you pretty much have your choice between IE/Firefox/Opera, they all use about the same amount of RAM now, so use what works for you |
| 03:18.37 | NM|Xinhuan | you end up using all 3 if you do web design ;p |
| 03:18.45 | kenlyric | heh. |
| 03:18.47 | NightHawkTheSane | nah |
| 03:18.50 | Necrathex | IE sucks tbh ;p |
| 03:18.52 | Pkekyo | I like the all-in-one functionality of opera...programs running, winamp, wow and opera...doesn't need anything else |
| 03:18.53 | NightHawkTheSane | no one really designs for opera |
| 03:18.54 | kenlyric | maybe if you do it for a coproration. |
| 03:18.57 | Amadeo | don't forget the new Safari and its blinding text goodness :P |
| 03:19.03 | Pkekyo | NM|Xinhuan: bewen there, done that...but I've given completely up on IE |
| 03:19.12 | kenlyric | I haven't tested on IE in years. |
| 03:19.13 | NightHawkTheSane | and only idiots and people doing web design professionally design for ie |
| 03:19.21 | Necrathex | Konquerer :p |
| 03:19.33 | NM|Xinhuan | do you know that the Armory FAQ specifically states that it looks best in Firefox? |
| 03:19.34 | NM|Xinhuan | lolol |
| 03:19.59 | Necrathex | and with a pc with quadcore cpu and 4GB ram? |
| 03:20.02 | Pkekyo | customizing your web design to IE 'cause microsoft won't follow the fucking web standards is ridiculous tbh...I code for opera and test it in FF |
| 03:22.09 | Pkekyo | what time is it state-side? |
| 03:22.25 | NightHawkTheSane | anywhere from 4pm to 11pm. |
| 03:22.33 | Xuerian | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=443123847&sid=1 XD |
| 03:22.40 | weab | 10:22cst |
| 03:22.41 | NightHawkTheSane | (well, :22,but meh) |
| 03:23.00 | Diao | where would it be 4pm stateside |
| 03:23.00 | Diao | o_O |
| 03:23.01 | Pkekyo | only 11pm? O.o |
| 03:23.08 | Diao | earliest i can think of is 6:23 in hawaii |
| 03:23.10 | kenlyric | 0322 UTC is all you need know, and all you ever need know. |
| 03:23.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Diao: meh, i was just spitballing on what time hawaii was because I can't remember it's offset ;) |
| 03:23.41 | Diao | lol |
| 03:23.45 | NightHawkTheSane | although arnt there US territories further west? |
| 03:23.50 | Diao | not that i know of |
| 03:24.07 | Diao | hawaii, alaska, pacific, mountain, central, eastern, (atlantic for canada) |
| 03:24.08 | NightHawkTheSane | i almost care enough to look it up |
| 03:24.14 | Diao | that's all i know of |
| 03:24.45 | Arrowmaster | theres also the us territories that arent states |
| 03:25.41 | kenlyric | somebody asking earlier about a text armory: http://wowism.net/txt/us/kargath/kenlyric |
| 03:25.53 | Pkekyo | I did |
| 03:26.19 | kenlyric | it's just a stub now, not complete, but you get the idea. Slightly faster :) |
| 03:26.26 | Pkekyo | slightly? |
| 03:26.35 | Pkekyo | using something like that would be like heaven in comparison |
| 03:27.08 | Pkekyo | although it could use some more info |
| 03:27.28 | NightHawkTheSane | gah |
| 03:27.36 | weab | hence the just a stub, not complete addendum |
| 03:27.43 | NightHawkTheSane | So i've had this download in safari going for like 20 minutes |
| 03:27.49 | NightHawkTheSane | And I just now noticed it stalled halfway through. |
| 03:28.26 | Necrathex | meh, getting light outside.. |
| 03:28.35 | Necrathex | gonna grab a few hours of sleep :P |
| 03:28.38 | NightHawkTheSane | haha.. "Nothing gets chicks hotter than staring at Scalia for a couple hours." |
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| 03:29.05 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: Scalia? |
| 03:29.19 | NightHawkTheSane | uh, idiotic supreme court justice. |
| 03:29.55 | NightHawkTheSane | also, l2wikipedia, noob. |
| 03:30.19 | Pkekyo | ah, that's what a supreme court justice is |
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| 03:30.25 | Pkekyo | nasty old bald git |
| 03:30.37 | NightHawkTheSane | also, an idiot. well, 5 of them are at least. |
| 03:30.50 | NightHawkTheSane | but I digress. |
| 03:30.52 | kenlyric | scalia is where all evil goes in the end. |
| 03:31.13 | kenlyric | nah, some of them aren't idiots despite having differeing political opinions from me. |
| 03:31.30 | kenlyric | scalia isn't an idiot. True evil is rarely stupid. |
| 03:31.54 | Pkekyo | lmao |
| 03:31.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Well,i mean idiot in the "broad generalism of people who disagree with me" sort of way. :) |
| 03:34.15 | kenlyric | scalia might be a warlock, he's so evil. |
| 03:34.22 | kenlyric | he even has his owned summoned pet. |
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| 03:34.34 | kenlyric | *own |
| 03:35.56 | Pkekyo | ffs, I need to get myself warcraft and warcraft 2 |
| 03:36.23 | NightHawkTheSane | wc1 wasn't stunningly good.;) |
| 03:36.26 | NightHawkTheSane | wc2 was pretty awesome, though |
| 03:36.47 | kenlyric | i've only ever played 1. |
| 03:36.58 | Pkekyo | I've only played wc3 |
| 03:37.08 | kenlyric | it was essentially the only thing we did during finals week my first year of college. |
| 03:37.12 | Pkekyo | we use to play it at school when bored :> |
| 03:37.22 | kenlyric | tests were just stupid interruptions to lan play. |
| 03:37.39 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 03:37.52 | Guillotine | anybody know how to use RollCall? Or if theres a working alternative? |
| 03:37.58 | NightHawkTheSane | yarr. i played so much wc2 >< |
| 03:38.09 | Guillotine | doesn't seem to be able to register as other ace libraries do |
| 03:39.13 | kenlyric | course, WC1 is the reason I never played WC2.. or WC3... or diablo, etc. |
| 03:39.23 | Arrowmaster | Guillotine: whats wrong with it? |
| 03:39.24 | kenlyric | so maybe it wasn't all that good :) |
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| 03:39.51 | Guillotine | Arrowmaster: when you attempt to register it the way most ace libraries are registered, it says its not a valid mixin |
| 03:40.14 | Arrowmaster | Guillotine: most ace libraries arent mixins |
| 03:40.35 | Pkekyo | hmm...blizz should've kept the trend of having a ring as part of armor sets, like with tier 3 |
| 03:40.39 | Guillotine | oh >.> Only started using ace recently instead of writing all my own functions XD |
| 03:40.56 | Guillotine | so how would you use it? |
| 03:41.26 | Arrowmaster | local RC = AceLibrary("RollCall-1.0") |
| 03:41.33 | Guillotine | alright :) ty |
| 03:41.55 | NeoTron | so our tank druid has been onv acation for 2 weeks.. as a welcome back present she got a respec to resto, was placed in moonglade with her hearth in silithus |
| 03:42.06 | Guillotine | hahaha |
| 03:42.11 | kenlyric | sets make me dizzy. I'm glad they're smaller. |
| 03:42.12 | Pkekyo | O.o |
| 03:42.25 | NeoTron | she has like a 5g respec cost |
| 03:42.30 | NeoTron | damn those druids and their "one spec" |
| 03:42.52 | Arrowmaster | 5g seriously? |
| 03:43.25 | Pkekyo | <--- 50...constantly >.< |
| 03:43.38 | Arrowmaster | my respec was 15g the other day and i havent respeced in forever meaning the 5g less every month only goes down to 15g |
| 03:43.57 | kenlyric | should be 10g. |
| 03:44.08 | NightHawkTheSane | 5g means she's only respecced once. ever. |
| 03:44.12 | kenlyric | I once dropped down to 45g. |
| 03:44.59 | kenlyric | if you do it right the first time, who needs to respec? |
| 03:45.11 | Arrowmaster | i had to respec for leo |
| 03:45.23 | NightHawkTheSane | kenlyric: true enough. |
| 03:46.19 | kenlyric | I'm not somebody who gets it right the 50th time when it comes to specs. |
| 03:47.33 | Amadeo | I'm someone who is always unhappy with their spec, and is seeking for the ultimate one that doesn't exist |
| 03:50.47 | Guillotine | unfortunately, as a druid, I had to respec at 60 to resto :/ |
| 03:50.56 | Guillotine | since there was nothing but resto for druids at 60 |
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| 03:52.59 | Pkekyo | I go from prot to MS to MS/DW and back to prot every other week or so >.< |
| 03:58.55 | duaiwe | hmm. Anyone have any particular comments about DreamHost, or suggestions for other hosts that offer lots of customizability? |
| 03:58.58 | duaiwe | goddamnit |
| 03:59.49 | art3mis | hosts for what? |
| 04:01.00 | NightHawkTheSane | er, web hosts? :P For your standard range of web type services. :P |
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| 04:02.36 | art3mis | i like 1and1 |
| 04:02.50 | art3mis | 10$ a month for 2tb of traffic mysql5 php5 |
| 04:03.13 | art3mis | 1and1.com |
| 04:04.50 | Xuerian | Did the DogTag wiki page just die again. |
| 04:08.23 | Pkekyo | ~aloha |
| 04:08.32 | purl | rumour has it, aloha is In Hawaii they say Aloha, which means both "hello" and "goodbye"...Which just comes to show that if you spend too much time in the sun, you don't know wether you're coming or going! |
| 04:10.47 | Pkekyo | difference between shadowmage and warlock? |
| 04:12.27 | NightHawkTheSane | one's useful, the other's a warlock? |
| 04:14.36 | Pkekyo | >.< |
| 04:16.49 | Xuerian | Does DifficultyColor even work in DogTag? >_> |
| 04:18.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: are you targeting a hostile? |
| 04:19.14 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: No |
| 04:19.21 | NightHawkTheSane | that would probably be your probloem |
| 04:19.31 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: DifficultyColor applies to anything |
| 04:19.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Are you sure? |
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| 04:19.49 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: TinyTip does it 0_o |
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| 04:19.56 | Xuerian | And anyway, yes it does |
| 04:19.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Tinytip is not dogtag. |
| 04:20.43 | Speeddymon | Nargiddley: you here? |
| 04:20.52 | NightHawkTheSane | last i recall dogtag's difficultycolor only took effect for hostile targets. |
| 04:21.08 | Xuerian | I'm pretty sure no, but I won't argue; I'm heading back to gadget to see |
| 04:21.25 | NightHawkTheSane | I may be wrong, it's been a long time since i've even logged in to the game. :) |
| 04:22.42 | Diao | nighthawk is right |
| 04:22.44 | Diao | it only works on hostiles |
| 04:22.49 | Xuerian | Well. |
| 04:22.52 | Xuerian | That's retarded. >.> |
| 04:22.53 | NightHawkTheSane | :D |
| 04:22.54 | Diao | lol |
| 04:23.03 | Xuerian | I was sure it worked on others, but yep, you're both right |
| 04:23.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: not really. you can't attack non-hostiles, so why do you care what difficulty they are? :P |
| 04:23.26 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: Peripheral vision information |
| 04:23.33 | Speeddymon | because you can duel non-hostile players, and its helpful to know the dificulty before you go into the duel |
| 04:23.34 | Xuerian | Color is easier to comprehend than text |
| 04:23.47 | Thrae | Does it work on Neutrals? |
| 04:24.03 | Xuerian | return [[if UnitCanAttack("player", ${unit}) then <-- dogtag |
| 04:24.17 | Xuerian | For the record |
| 04:24.21 | Xuerian | DogTag code looks weird. |
| 04:24.52 | Thrae | We all have our own style. ckknight's style is very ckknight ;) |
| 04:25.08 | Xuerian | ckk is different things at different times |
| 04:25.21 | Speeddymon | grrr! i need Nargiddley.. gave me some code to use in my waterfall and it dont work |
| 04:25.27 | Thrae | ~emulate ckknight |
| 04:25.28 | purl | <@ckknight> f*ck you, guy |
| 04:25.29 | Xuerian | I need him too, lol. |
| 04:25.30 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight is like a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in an AWESOME RACK. |
| 04:25.36 | Xuerian | Now, ckk is always that XD |
| 04:25.41 | Speeddymon | ck.. chick? |
| 04:25.52 | NightHawkTheSane | no, but i just like that quote, if anyone gets it. |
| 04:25.58 | Xuerian | I want baggins "category" filter to not inherit category filters if that filter is the calling category |
| 04:26.02 | Thrae | ckknight is male. |
| 04:26.12 | Speeddymon | heh i was just questioning the ck part |
| 04:26.32 | Speeddymon | ck= abbreviation for chick in some cases |
| 04:26.47 | Speeddymon | so it would be chick knight which would be awesome lol |
| 04:26.50 | Thrae | Girls aren't "knights" anyway. They're Magical Shoujo Pretty Princess Rangers. |
| 04:27.00 | Speeddymon | LMAO |
| 04:27.08 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed. |
| 04:27.32 | Speeddymon | what about elton john? (s)he is knighted.. |
| 04:27.44 | NightHawkTheSane | he's decidedly male. :P |
| 04:27.50 | Speeddymon | but hes gay! |
| 04:27.50 | Thrae | Elton John is very much male. |
| 04:27.57 | NightHawkTheSane | that doesn't make him not male :P |
| 04:28.14 | Speeddymon | so gays can be knighted but women cant? thats odd |
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| 04:28.40 | Xuerian | age |
| 04:28.44 | Xuerian | er. |
| 04:28.46 | Xuerian | Damn window focus stealing |
| 04:29.23 | Thrae | Actually no, women cannot be knighted in the traditional sense. They can be given the title of "Dame" but not "Knight", unless you don't go by the old code. |
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| 04:29.45 | Thrae | "Dame" is the female equivilent of "Sir", as "Lady" is to "Lord". |
| 04:30.02 | Nargiddley | Xuerian, cant quite figure out what you mean |
| 04:30.22 | Thrae | In modern English, we often use "Madam" as the opposite to "Sir", but "Madam" is French, not English. |
| 04:30.52 | Xuerian | Nargiddley: If I'm using a category as the base for another category, I want the original category to not include the inheriting category. But if I add that category as the exclude, it also inherits excluding itself |
| 04:31.06 | Thrae | The English language got a huge amount of French words put into it after the invasion of the French shortly after the Dark Ages. |
| 04:31.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: you're my etymology hero for the moment. |
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| 04:31.45 | Nargiddley | recursive categories are undefined behaviour |
| 04:31.48 | Thrae | One of the reasons English is so screwed up -- it uses its Germanic rules on a huge number of words with Latin roots |
| 04:31.54 | Xuerian | Nargiddley: Which is the point :D |
| 04:32.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: thats what you get when you have a germanic island invaded by romans. ;) |
| 04:32.26 | Speeddymon | narg! |
| 04:33.06 | Thrae | Then again, female chairs are far more absurd |
| 04:33.24 | NightHawkTheSane | female chairs? |
| 04:33.30 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: England was never invaded by the Romans, it was invaded by the French, after the fall of the Roman Empire |
| 04:33.51 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: Many languages with Latin roots, like French, assign genders to their nouns |
| 04:33.53 | NightHawkTheSane | you sure? i could have sworn the roman empire expanded out to at least part of the british isles at some point |
| 04:33.58 | Speeddymon | Nargiddley: the code you gave me earlier for showing a hidden item once something is selected in a dropdown (which is what i was going to be using anyways) isn't working... |
| 04:34.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: ah, yeah, i understand gendered nouns, was just a bit lost when you said female chairs. it was kind of out in left field. :p |
| 04:34.58 | Pkekyo | ffs, chairs are male! |
| 04:35.12 | Pkekyo | shelves are female! |
| 04:35.26 | Pkekyo | magazines are genderless |
| 04:35.27 | Pkekyo | k. |
| 04:35.52 | NightHawkTheSane | And, according to wikipedia, the roman empire occupied most of modern day England post ~14 AD |
| 04:36.00 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: When Caesar conquored the Gauls, he obtained the provinces of Galla, which we know as France. Britannia lay beyond that, however, from what I know, they didn't really make much mixing with the culture. |
| 04:36.25 | Thrae | They had the region mostly subdued, but it was still very volatile |
| 04:36.30 | NightHawkTheSane | fair enough |
| 04:36.57 | Thrae | I mean, come on, the Gauls were French, so of course they went down pretty quick...but the Brits already had a huge stock of Viking ancestry |
| 04:37.05 | Pkekyo | meh, too much blood |
| 04:37.05 | Speeddymon | Nargiddley: in case you need it: hidden = function() return not not selected end |
| 04:37.05 | NightHawkTheSane | lol, zing. |
| 04:37.14 | Thrae | No one f's with a Viking |
| 04:37.30 | Pkekyo | Thrae: indeed, everyone gets raped by them |
| 04:37.34 | Thrae | You'll get your fjord handed to you |
| 04:37.39 | Pkekyo | there's a subtle difference |
| 04:37.59 | Pkekyo | my fjord is fucking awesome so sod off kekeke |
| 04:38.00 | Speeddymon | neither does removing the not not and nor does only removing one not.. ill se if i can narrow down where hidden is breaking.. |
| 04:38.45 | Thrae | Speeddymon: The only time you should ever use "not not" is not not never |
| 04:39.31 | Pkekyo | how long does it take for blood to coagulate? |
| 04:39.45 | Thrae | Pkekyo: Depends on the person's rate of healing, google the average |
| 04:40.24 | NightHawkTheSane | not not never would be a good band name. |
| 04:40.28 | Pkekyo | http://www.columbiasurgery.org/cli/wound/stat.html k. |
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| 04:40.49 | Arrowmaster | Bibi: i think your redirects are fucked, http://mmo-champion.com/ |
| 04:44.41 | Cryect | he just really wants to support antiarc |
| 04:44.54 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: A better name would be "-(e^(sqrt(-1)*pi))" |
| 04:45.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: both are good, i think |
| 04:45.36 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: That's a weird-ass equation which equates to "1" ;) |
| 04:45.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: yeah, i'm vaguely familiar with it |
| 04:46.01 | Thrae | You probably saw it on xkcd :D |
| 04:46.04 | Cryect | I hope most people are familiar with it |
| 04:46.06 | NightHawkTheSane | probably |
| 04:46.19 | Cryect | kinda important for diff eq |
| 04:46.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Cryect: i don't do diff eq on a regular basis, so ;) |
| 04:46.34 | Cryect | Pfft |
| 04:46.44 | Cryect | You should good stuff |
| 04:46.54 | NightHawkTheSane | unlike the doctor, i'm not versed in recreational mathematics. |
| 04:47.06 | Cryect | diff eq isn't recreational math |
| 04:47.25 | NightHawkTheSane | it is if you don't need it. |
| 04:48.30 | Speeddymon | Nargiddley: I think the problem stems from the hidden= being in a different part of the table |
| 04:48.40 | Speeddymon | i could be wrong though |
| 04:49.24 | Thrae | I do some recreational mathmatics and physics. For instance, I theorized that one way the universe could be explained in both a linear and non-linear model would be like how a computer program is composed of binary algorithms, yet that same binary can also be equated to a single number. |
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| 04:51.42 | Gngsk | ~ping |
| 04:51.52 | purl | pong |
| 04:51.57 | NightHawkTheSane | I pinged your mom. |
| 04:52.05 | Gngsk | righteous, righteous to the max |
| 04:52.33 | Pkekyo | yo momma so stupid she bought Windows Vista! O.o |
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| 04:53.04 | todd | has anyone tried putting fubar on dash? (http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7391-Dash.html in case you don't know what I'm talking about) |
| 04:53.10 | todd | it.. fades out when you hover over it =/ |
| 04:54.32 | Pkekyo | dash? |
| 04:54.39 | NightHawkTheSane | dashboard for wow |
| 04:54.48 | Speeddymon | Nargiddley: turns out im wrong.. |
| 04:55.33 | Speeddymon | looks like hidden is broken for type = 'text' |
| 04:55.42 | Speeddymon | give me a sec |
| 04:57.54 | Speeddymon | http://pastebin.com/d18b979f8 |
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| 05:00.44 | Speeddymon | comments at the bottom of the code: http://pastebin.com/d5655e8e8 |
| 05:07.16 | kergoth | woo, guild's first down of moroes and i got an emerald ripper on my rogue already |
| 05:07.22 | Diao | grats |
| 05:07.26 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:07.28 | Keias | grats |
| 05:07.35 | Diao | with that kind of luck you can get malchazeen on first prince ;p |
| 05:09.28 | Pkekyo | congrats kergoth |
| 05:09.47 | NightHawkTheSane | nice |
| 05:10.06 | kergoth | now just need a faster oh than my guile of khorazi. maybe i should save up for a searing sunblade |
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| 05:26.01 | Borked|Raider | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=711993555&sid=1 |
| 05:26.04 | Borked|Raider | NURF |
| 05:26.50 | Nargiddley | Speeddymon, its wfHidden not wfhidden and i dont see any other hidden function in there. |
| 05:28.47 | art3mis | the draeni dont have a special faction quarter master like the BE's do do they |
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| 05:31.52 | Speeddymon | Nargiddley: it did the same with hidden ... |
| 05:32.20 | Speeddymon | the hidden function is new.. it's supposed to hide when something is selected in name, and unhide if nothing is selected |
| 05:32.27 | Speeddymon | err |
| 05:32.59 | Speeddymon | rather the element to be hidden is the "new" element.. (which allows you to type in a name for a new group) |
| 05:33.22 | Nargiddley | Speeddymon, why are you setting hidden in the set anyway |
| 05:33.38 | Nargiddley | hidden can be a function |
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| 05:33.43 | Speeddymon | as for hidden functions.. they aren't in the pastebin, but in my code I tried it and it didnt work either |
| 05:34.10 | Speeddymon | yes i know that, you gave me the code for it earlier (hidden = function() return not not selected end) |
| 05:35.33 | Speeddymon | I'm setting hidden, because the name part is a list of groups that you can put cooldowns into.. each group has it's own settings. When there is nothing selected, I need to have no options showing, and then depending on which group is selected in the dropdown, that group's options need to show.. |
| 05:36.35 | Speeddymon | so i tried: (hidden = function() return not not selected end) and when I selected something in the dropdown, the editbox did not unhide |
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| 05:40.01 | Speeddymon | however, when i uncheck a checkbox in a different group, it does properly unhide what I want that checkbox to unhide.. |
| 05:40.48 | Speeddymon | crikey |
| 05:41.26 | NM|Xinhuan | http://www.wowace.com/files - The requested URL /files was not found on this server. |
| 05:41.29 | NM|Xinhuan | did someone break something? |
| 05:41.41 | Speeddymon | I just changed the code I pastebinned to wfHidden instead of wfhidden and that works properly.. |
| 05:41.45 | Speeddymon | one sec trying it with hidden |
| 05:41.58 | ZealotOnAStick | kergoth: just do Arena for a couple of weeks. |
| 05:42.23 | Speeddymon | ok, the pastebinned code works with hidden or wfHidden, but using hidden as a function does not work... I'll dig a lil deeper into it.. give me a min |
| 05:42.34 | ZealotOnAStick | You can get the 1150 or whatever needed for the Merciless Gladiator's Quickblade (or whatever, there's like 3 fast offhands) in 2-3 weeks depending on team size and rating. |
| 05:43.02 | ZealotOnAStick | Everyone mourn for me, my dead 10k RPM 150GB Raptor. |
| 05:43.52 | ZealotOnAStick | Which was, even more of a kick in the pants, one of a matched pair in a Stripe Array. |
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| 05:44.51 | Speeddymon | You know.. I think all of the raptors are garbage.. |
| 05:45.13 | Speeddymon | My dad has a 300GB 10kRPM Raptor, and he has had it RMA'ed like 6 times in the past year and a half |
| 05:45.24 | Diao | 300gb raptors exist? |
| 05:45.25 | Speeddymon | OUCH |
| 05:45.28 | Speeddymon | err |
| 05:45.31 | Speeddymon | maybe not 300gb |
| 05:45.58 | Speeddymon | I think his was a 74gb that he ended up forcing them to upgrade to a 150gb because of the problems, and then the 150's started dieing.. |
| 05:46.14 | Diao | i've never had trouble with them D: |
| 05:46.14 | Speeddymon | total he has replaced the drive like 6 or 7 times |
| 05:46.18 | Speeddymon | hmm |
| 05:46.20 | Speeddymon | weird |
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| 05:46.57 | Diao | but then |
| 05:47.01 | Diao | i only use a single 74gb raptor for my main |
| 05:47.17 | Diao | and the rest are raid0+1 WD5000YS raid edition drives |
| 05:47.18 | Diao | lol |
| 05:47.27 | Speeddymon | I had problems with my initial seagate sata 300gb drive, but after the 1st rma went dead I told them to give me the next model up.. still 300gb but with NCQ.. When the box arrived... it was 300gb w/NCQ AND bonus: it was SATA-II |
| 05:47.40 | Speeddymon | lol I WANT THOSE |
| 05:47.55 | Diao | 4 drives, 2tb of storage :D |
| 05:47.57 | Speeddymon | i'd be using them in raid 5 tho, not 0+1 |
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| 05:48.29 | Speeddymon | how much did the 4 drives run ya? bout $1200 right? |
| 05:48.50 | Diao | nah |
| 05:48.55 | Diao | like $600? |
| 05:48.57 | Diao | something like that |
| 05:49.05 | Speeddymon | ??? OEM |
| 05:49.08 | Diao | yeah |
| 05:49.09 | Diao | i buy oem |
| 05:49.11 | Diao | lol |
| 05:49.11 | Speeddymon | thats why |
| 05:49.21 | Speeddymon | i cant find oem's of those, not even at fry's |
| 05:49.26 | Diao | buy them online :P |
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| 05:49.35 | Speeddymon | where? dont tell me newegg |
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| 05:50.07 | Wobwork | oh man vipermaverick brings competence to all new lows |
| 05:50.12 | Speeddymon | lol you were gonna say newegg too werent you? |
| 05:50.15 | Diao | lol |
| 05:50.17 | Diao | yeah :( |
| 05:50.36 | Diao | what's wrong with newegg :P |
| 05:50.40 | Speeddymon | heh its ok.. i just didnt like having to wait 2 weeks for my GF 8800GTX to arrive |
| 05:50.41 | Wobwork | That screenshot of his addons folder is classic |
| 05:50.50 | Diao | O_o |
| 05:50.51 | Diao | 2 weeks |
| 05:50.52 | Speeddymon | Wobwork: link? |
| 05:50.54 | Diao | I get my orders in like a day |
| 05:50.56 | Diao | but I live in california |
| 05:51.15 | ZealotOnAStick | Really truly annoying thing (other than the total data loss, including my entire 30GBs of Kael'thas fight video capture) is that I was planning on backing up the data, taking them out of a Stripe, and going to independent drives . . . soonish. |
| 05:51.17 | Mudkipz | are you the ventura guy? |
| 05:51.22 | Speeddymon | yea.. they said it was in stock, then i order it, get the confirmation saying it will be there in 3 days, and next day, out of stock |
| 05:52.00 | Diao | zipzoomfly has it |
| 05:52.01 | Diao | apparently |
| 05:52.06 | Diao | oh nm |
| 05:52.08 | Diao | out of stock |
| 05:52.08 | Diao | lol |
| 05:52.12 | Speeddymon | lol |
| 05:52.15 | Speeddymon | never heard of them anyways |
| 05:52.18 | ZealotOnAStick | they're pretty decent on some things. |
| 05:52.22 | Diao | http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=101258-9 |
| 05:52.22 | ZealotOnAStick | I got my digicam from them. |
| 05:52.22 | Speeddymon | directorn has it, but im broke atm |
| 05:52.27 | Speeddymon | directron* |
| 05:52.28 | Diao | 4x those |
| 05:52.28 | Diao | ftw |
| 05:52.38 | Speeddymon | lol 4 digicams? |
| 05:52.40 | ZealotOnAStick | Directron's also good, as is Comp-u-plus |
| 05:52.42 | Diao | no |
| 05:52.44 | Diao | the drives |
| 05:52.44 | Diao | haha |
| 05:53.01 | Diao | i'm waiting for 1tb drives to come out from WD |
| 05:53.06 | Diao | they only have 750gb atm |
| 05:53.07 | ZealotOnAStick | They have them. |
| 05:53.12 | Speeddymon | ya me too |
| 05:53.15 | Diao | oh? |
| 05:53.15 | ZealotOnAStick | or at least there was a news blurb on their site. |
| 05:53.17 | Speeddymon | but from seagate here |
| 05:53.18 | Diao | i haven't seen any |
| 05:53.32 | Diao | i've only seen lacie and toshiba |
| 05:53.33 | Diao | iirc |
| 05:54.15 | ZealotOnAStick | http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=336 |
| 05:54.35 | Diao | oh |
| 05:54.38 | Diao | i meant raid edition |
| 05:54.39 | Diao | :P |
| 05:54.40 | Diao | not regular |
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| 05:55.00 | Wobwork | bah |
| 05:55.06 | Wobwork | internet is so dodgy today |
| 05:55.09 | ccKep | hmhmhm |
| 05:55.18 | ZealotOnAStick | ah |
| 05:55.36 | Wobwork | Did that link come through? |
| 05:55.50 | Speeddymon | Nargiddley: I think I figured it out.. |
| 05:56.17 | ccKep | I do :RegisterForClicks("LeftButtonUp"), yet :SetScript("OnMouseUp", function() ... end) fires on every mousebutton... any ideas? (new to lua/gui scripting, as one might guess) |
| 05:56.21 | ZealotOnAStick | Yeah, only up to 750 on their RE drives yet. |
| 05:57.19 | ccKep | aye |
| 05:57.28 | ccKep | need OnClick, thanks anyway ^.^ |
| 05:57.33 | Speeddymon | hidden = function() return not not selected doesn't work because selected isn't true or false.. So I needed the following: |
| 05:57.52 | Speeddymon | hidden = function() return not selected == "" end |
| 06:03.33 | Pkekyo | I just read Vipermaveric's forum thread.... |
| 06:03.39 | Pkekyo | holy jumping fucking shitballs! |
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| 06:09.16 | krka | link? |
| 06:09.56 | Pkekyo | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=7731.msg126402;topicseen |
| 06:10.17 | Pkekyo | purl, vipermaverick is http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=7731.msg126402;topicseen |
| 06:10.18 | purl | okay, Pkekyo |
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| 06:13.01 | testify | Anyone know if there's any mod that keeps track of the debuffs you've cast on individual mobs? |
| 06:13.25 | krka | weird post |
| 06:14.29 | Pkekyo | testify: tried classtimers? |
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| 06:16.24 | testify | Nope, does it differentiate between your own debuffs and others from the same class in a raid or BG? |
| 06:16.47 | Pkekyo | it only tracks your own afaik (as bars on screen) |
| 06:17.07 | testify | Alright cool, I'll take it for a spin |
| 06:17.10 | Pkekyo | gl hf |
| 06:17.16 | testify | thanks |
| 06:17.17 | Pkekyo | krka: indeed....he managed to fill a three page thread without making sense ONCE |
| 06:18.03 | krka | funny that he just assumed his problems was due to addons conflicting |
| 06:18.11 | krka | instead of something he messed up |
| 06:18.30 | Pkekyo | isn't it human nature to do so? ;> |
| 06:18.33 | krka | and didnt even state what his problem was, but just went on a weird rant |
| 06:18.37 | Pkekyo | yeah |
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| 06:19.04 | krka | agreed, i usually start blaming compilers / lib / et.c. before looking into my own code :P |
| 06:19.12 | Pkekyo | "I'm not a noob but I don't have a clue about this but something is wrong and I have an idea for an addon and I need help because something is wrong and I don't know what the hell punctuation is" |
| 06:19.13 | ZealotOnAStick | Wow. |
| 06:19.13 | krka | but i atleast try to explain the symptoms when i ask for help |
| 06:19.17 | ZealotOnAStick | That screenshot . . . |
| 06:19.30 | Pkekyo | ZealotOnAStick: screenshot? linkage please! |
| 06:19.50 | ZealotOnAStick | in the thread above on Vipermaverik, page 2 I think. |
| 06:20.00 | ZealotOnAStick | it's pretty pointless. |
| 06:20.36 | Pkekyo | the one posted by OrionShock? |
| 06:21.06 | loonacy | Pkekyo: You just killed my brain with that vipermaverick thing. |
| 06:21.21 | Pkekyo | loonacy: don't worry, mine died first |
| 06:21.29 | krka | this is my favourite part: ok ok. just give uesful info for someone who is past the noob stage on things and crossed into the next area of programming and computers. Just remember i'm not completely new to this but there is alot i still don't know. |
| 06:21.54 | Pkekyo | err...say wha? |
| 06:21.59 | loonacy | "When you download it and extract it from a Zip file the other areas of the mod are what is messing up." |
| 06:22.02 | Pkekyo | ZealotOnAStick: I see the post where he says "here is screenshot" etc, but I can't see any linkage :< |
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| 06:22.15 | loonacy | So it's not messing up before you extract it from the zip? |
| 06:22.18 | krka | i cant see any screenshot... do i have to be logged in or something? |
| 06:22.20 | Pkekyo | only the topic name alone... "Re: A mod idea that would let all mods work in sync with each other" |
| 06:22.30 | loonacy | AAAHHHH!!! Brain asplode! |
| 06:23.00 | Pkekyo | "someone write an addon that does so that all my other addons never come into conflict with eachother" >.< |
| 06:23.45 | loonacy | I think he's downloading full mod compilation packs and trying to overwrite portions of each pack. |
| 06:23.53 | krka | "even though i have no idea of how to install an addon" |
| 06:24.24 | Pkekyo | seriously, that thread is the worst thing I've ever seen |
| 06:24.35 | Pkekyo | ZealotOnAStick: please link me that screenshot you were refering to? |
| 06:27.45 | ZealotOnAStick | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7731.0;attach=2560;image |
| 06:27.49 | ZealotOnAStick | Sorry, was downstairs. |
| 06:27.55 | Pkekyo | http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/incompetence.jpg I just love this being posted in the vipermaverick thread |
| 06:28.01 | ZealotOnAStick | And yes, if you're not logged in, you may need to be. |
| 06:28.09 | ZealotOnAStick | I don't recall how those perms are set. |
| 06:28.16 | Pkekyo | I don't heven have an account :< |
| 06:28.22 | Pkekyo | have to be logged in, aye |
| 06:28.50 | ZealotOnAStick | So, make one? Takes like 2-3 minutes for the e-mail conf and all. |
| 06:29.07 | ramoz | So |
| 06:29.11 | ramoz | i tried to make an account yesterday |
| 06:29.17 | ramoz | still havn't got a email |
| 06:29.25 | ZealotOnAStick | what name did you reg under? |
| 06:30.07 | ramoz | doompony |
| 06:30.12 | ramoz | maybe i did something wrong |
| 06:30.26 | ramoz | cause now i got registerd without the confirmation mail |
| 06:30.40 | ramoz | oh |
| 06:30.41 | ramoz | there it is |
| 06:30.57 | ramoz | didnt work yesterday |
| 06:30.58 | Pkekyo | x) |
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| 06:31.07 | ZealotOnAStick | try now, just resent. |
| 06:31.29 | ramoz | i got it |
| 06:31.58 | ramoz | oh |
| 06:32.03 | ramoz | i tried to register on the forums |
| 06:32.33 | ramoz | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?action=register |
| 06:32.40 | ramoz | that page didnt work for me yesterday |
| 06:32.52 | ramoz | http://www.wowace.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup |
| 06:32.54 | ramoz | this did however |
| 06:33.43 | ramoz | got a new mail now |
| 06:34.33 | ZealotOnAStick | I also just sent reminder emails to all 373 people who've registered in the last couple of months but not activated. |
| 06:35.31 | ramoz | aha |
| 06:35.38 | ramoz | thanks :) |
| 06:36.10 | Bibi | Arrowmaster |
| 06:36.12 | Bibi | still here ? |
| 06:36.12 | Bibi | [06:40:42] <Arrowmaster> Bibi: i think your redirects are fucked, http://mmo-champion.com/ |
| 06:36.19 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 06:36.27 | Bibi | what do you mean ? |
| 06:37.02 | Arrowmaster | without the www. it goes to antiarcs armory tools |
| 06:37.11 | Bibi | oh |
| 06:37.34 | Bibi | bah i'll have it fixed ^^ |
| 06:39.50 | weab | Bibi is boubouille? |
| 06:40.02 | Bibi | no, Boubouille is Bibi ! |
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| 06:40.35 | weab | that would have saved me some time registering for your forums if i had known that |
| 06:40.48 | Bibi | registering on my forums is always good |
| 06:41.03 | weab | i only wanted to complain about your rss feed! |
| 06:41.16 | Bibi | people always register to complain. |
| 06:41.23 | weab | yeah well |
| 06:41.24 | weab | users suck |
| 06:41.28 | Bibi | yeah |
| 06:41.28 | Bibi | :( |
| 06:41.29 | weab | what can you do |
| 06:41.34 | Bibi | but i fixed it ! |
| 06:41.39 | weab | yes, you did |
| 06:41.43 | weab | it makes me happy |
| 06:42.26 | Bibi | anyway I did my uber forum post of the hour |
| 06:42.29 | Bibi | I can go back to bed |
| 06:43.13 | Bibi | (btw, tons of raid encounters nerfed ! we're doomed ! link my site ! hurry !) |
| 06:43.25 | MoonWolf | sooo |
| 06:43.29 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 06:43.33 | Bibi | and afk. |
| 06:43.39 | *** part/#wowace aen` (n=aen@cpe-65-25-19-175.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 06:43.45 | MoonWolf | how about some blind speculation based on rumors based on some line of text someone made up ? |
| 06:43.46 | Arrowmaster | i just ran my normal wow link to the launcher and now its downloading a ptr patch |
| 06:44.00 | Bibi | MoonWolf : prove me wrong, just once |
| 06:44.03 | Bibi | ^^ |
| 06:44.19 | MoonWolf | I have never failed to prove you wrong |
| 06:44.22 | MoonWolf | so there. |
| 06:44.25 | Bibi | O RLY |
| 06:44.32 | weab | have you ever tried!? |
| 06:44.40 | weab | that's a surefire way to not fail |
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| 06:44.49 | Pkekyo | ~vipermaverick |
| 06:44.49 | purl | it has been said that vipermaverick is http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=7731.msg126402;topicseen |
| 06:45.39 | Pkekyo | purl, vipermverick is epic, legendary, traumatic, depressing and entertaingn, all at once! - http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=7731.msg126402;topicseen |
| 06:45.40 | purl | Pkekyo: okay |
| 06:45.52 | Pkekyo | ~vipermaveric |
| 06:46.09 | Pkekyo | comeon purl, hurry up |
| 06:46.14 | weab | try adding the k |
| 06:46.18 | Pkekyo | ~vipermaverick |
| 06:46.19 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, vipermaverick is http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=7731.msg126402;topicseen |
| 06:46.21 | Pkekyo | thanks ^^ |
| 06:46.23 | krka | l2spell |
| 06:46.50 | Pkekyo | I'd rather l2purl first |
| 06:46.58 | Pkekyo | purl no, vipermaverick is epic, legendary, traumatic, depressing and entertaingn, all at once! - http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=7731.msg126402;topicseen |
| 06:46.59 | purl | okay, Pkekyo |
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| 06:47.13 | Pkekyo | ~aloha |
| 06:47.14 | purl | aloha is, like, In Hawaii they say Aloha, which means both "hello" and "goodbye"...Which just comes to show that if you spend too much time in the sun, you don't know wether you're coming or going! |
| 06:47.31 | Pkekyo | ~whalecrit krka |
| 06:47.32 | purl | ACTION crits krka with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. krka dies |
| 06:47.35 | Pkekyo | purl ftw |
| 06:47.36 | purl | ftw is probably wtf backwards, or for the win |
| 06:47.52 | Pkekyo | >.< |
| 06:47.53 | Arrowmaster | purl diaf |
| 06:47.54 | purl | ACTION refuses to die! |
| 06:47.59 | weab | purl no, vipermverick is epic, legendary, traumatic, depressing and entertaining, all at once! - http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=7731.msg126402;topicseen |
| 06:47.59 | purl | weab: okay |
| 06:48.11 | weab | your entertaining was misspelled. |
| 06:48.22 | Pkekyo | so was my vipermaverick xD |
| 06:48.29 | ramoz | Arrowmaster: enUS or enGB? |
| 06:48.29 | weab | yeah |
| 06:48.32 | Pkekyo | purl no, vipermaverick is epic, legendary, traumatic, depressing and entertaining, all at once! - http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=7731.msg126402;topicseen |
| 06:48.32 | purl | Pkekyo: okay |
| 06:48.40 | Arrowmaster | ramoz: huh? |
| 06:48.57 | weab | purl diacf |
| 06:49.00 | Pkekyo | Arrowmaster: you US or europe? |
| 06:49.02 | weab | gasp |
| 06:49.04 | Arrowmaster | us |
| 06:49.06 | ramoz | are you playing on us realms or eu realms? |
| 06:49.07 | ramoz | aha |
| 06:49.09 | Pkekyo | EnUS then |
| 06:49.22 | Arrowmaster | why? |
| 06:49.31 | ramoz | cause i dont get to download a new patch |
| 06:49.46 | Pkekyo | ramoz, patch is next week, methinks |
| 06:49.51 | ramoz | (and im eu) |
| 06:50.00 | ramoz | oO |
| 06:50.03 | Arrowmaster | it was a ptr patch that for some reason my launcher wanted to download when i tried to start normal wow |
| 06:50.05 | Pkekyo | I've got no patch either (eu) |
| 06:50.21 | ramoz | sure its ptr? |
| 06:50.25 | Pkekyo | meh, I'm running out of addons to customize:p |
| 06:50.39 | Pkekyo | ramoz: probably is, my brother had that too |
| 06:50.44 | ramoz | ok |
| 06:50.48 | Arrowmaster | yes because after it patched it ran the ptr client and it said 0.2.0 |
| 06:50.49 | Pkekyo | I haven't gotten a patch this week atleast, and I'm logged in now |
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| 06:51.20 | Pkekyo | you know you're fucked when you're entire body is shaking due to lack of sleep ^^ |
| 06:51.22 | Arrowmaster | was a 69xx to 70xx patch i think |
| 06:51.56 | MoonWolf | problem with the version identification code i'd guess. |
| 06:52.03 | Arrowmaster | try to logon my rogue and see if i can maybe get this one level, the worst one of them all 57 |
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| 06:52.23 | MoonWolf | 57 isn't ba |
| 06:52.24 | MoonWolf | bad |
| 06:52.28 | Arrowmaster | yes it is |
| 06:52.33 | MoonWolf | not as bad as everything from 45 to 55 |
| 06:52.49 | Arrowmaster | my gears even shittier now that im 57 so i suck even more |
| 06:52.54 | Pkekyo | I find lvl 26-34 the worst tbh |
| 06:53.28 | Arrowmaster | 26-34 is just 1kn and other zones |
| 06:53.40 | MoonWolf | those arn't much of a problem |
| 06:53.53 | Arrowmaster | now that we have the new starting zones i think 20-25 are worse than 26-34 |
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| 06:53.58 | MoonWolf | 45 to 55 is where you are slightly bored with you char and to xp curve is damn annoying |
| 06:54.16 | Arrowmaster | since you missout on a bunch of chain quests |
| 06:54.36 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 06:54.50 | MoonWolf | its all, 5 quests, here, different zonce 6 quests there , go back to first zone |
| 06:54.52 | MoonWolf | etc etc |
| 06:55.07 | Pkekyo | 1kn, hillsbrad, stv and un'goro are by far the worst |
| 06:56.00 | MoonWolf | let me add fellwood to that list too |
| 06:56.09 | MoonWolf | its like darkshore, only green. |
| 06:56.16 | Pkekyo | I started a blood elf mage....seeing all the quests I missed out on while leveling 20-30 just 'cause of my race...it was horrifying |
| 06:56.33 | MoonWolf | its racism |
| 06:56.33 | Pkekyo | felwood is just incredibly fucking boring...nothing special about it :< |
| 06:56.34 | MoonWolf | :P |
| 06:56.39 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 06:56.46 | dreamss2 | what? |
| 06:56.47 | MoonWolf | its to damn long, as in , size |
| 06:56.50 | dreamss2 | felwood is the shit |
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| 06:56.54 | Pkekyo | just like this guy who wouldn't let me join his group 'cause I'm a tauren :< |
| 06:57.00 | Arrowmaster | i think felwood is where i need to go to get to 58 |
| 06:57.01 | dreamss2 | zone consumables? |
| 06:57.11 | Arrowmaster | im on part of the linkin questchain and need to go there |
| 06:57.27 | MoonWolf | now that has some nice rewards |
| 06:57.34 | Arrowmaster | and nice xp |
| 06:57.45 | krka | i think the plaguelands suck the most |
| 06:57.48 | Arrowmaster | too bad ill need help on the last one |
| 06:58.03 | Arrowmaster | since im a shitty rogue and have no chance in hell vs blazerunner |
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| 06:58.16 | MoonWolf | grab a lvl 70 guildy |
| 06:58.16 | krka | unless you're in a good party and do the dungeons i guess |
| 06:58.19 | MoonWolf | is what i do. |
| 06:58.34 | MoonWolf | krka, blazerunner is damn powerfull |
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| 06:58.50 | MoonWolf | i don't thik good equal lvl blue gear is going to make the difference as a rogue |
| 06:59.12 | Arrowmaster | my rogue is so shitty i upgraded from warsong boots to bonechewer shredboots of the bandit (req 57, ilvl 81) |
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| 07:00.14 | Arrowmaster | ilvl 27 to 81 |
| 07:00.16 | Pkekyo | I loved WPL |
| 07:00.23 | Pkekyo | it was fucking awesome to grind on the fields :> |
| 07:00.26 | MoonWolf | except for andorhal |
| 07:00.32 | MoonWolf | andorhal is an annoyance |
| 07:01.41 | Pkekyo | andorhal is where that elite lich-ish dude is? |
| 07:01.50 | Arrowmaster | atleast i managed to grab that reqlvl 38 jewelcrafting trinket on both my rogue and druid between 2.0 and tbc release |
| 07:02.09 | Pkekyo | congrats :> |
| 07:02.34 | Arrowmaster | my 70 rogue friend still uses that sometiems |
| 07:04.07 | todd | has anyone compared resource usage between parrot and msbt? |
| 07:04.51 | Pkekyo | msbt? |
| 07:05.10 | todd | MikScrollingBattleText |
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| 07:05.52 | Pkekyo | huh |
| 07:06.35 | todd | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5153-MikScrollingBattleText.html |
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| 07:08.51 | Pkekyo | never heard off...I'm just using SCT still |
| 07:09.15 | Pkekyo | christ, I hate that font on those screenies soooo much |
| 07:09.15 | MoonWolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.24 | MoonWolf | the default setups anyway |
| 07:09.31 | todd | yeah, I liked msbt much more than sct |
| 07:09.47 | todd | only thing that bothers me about parrot is the arc.. it's too circular.. can you change that? |
| 07:09.51 | Pkekyo | MoonWolf: might be so, but nothing about my sct is even close to default anymore...but what's the difference between sct and parrot? |
| 07:10.01 | Pkekyo | todd: sct also does that |
| 07:10.02 | Pkekyo | :< |
| 07:10.43 | MoonWolf | the entire way the addon is set up , its configurability is different |
| 07:10.52 | MoonWolf | hard to describe why that makes it better |
| 07:10.57 | MoonWolf | but i think it does. |
| 07:12.02 | kergoth | i shouldve named my boar Bob instead of Razorback |
| 07:12.08 | MoonWolf | hmm |
| 07:12.09 | MoonWolf | maybe |
| 07:12.13 | MoonWolf | get a new one ? |
| 07:12.18 | kergoth | my scorpid is George |
| 07:12.21 | kergoth | so itd be a good fit |
| 07:12.22 | Pkekyo | Bob ftw |
| 07:12.31 | kergoth | hell no, leveling a good looking boar takes ages, rfk boars are like 30 |
| 07:12.33 | kergoth | :) |
| 07:12.37 | kergoth | razorback will just have to do |
| 07:13.44 | Pkekyo | x) |
| 07:14.21 | cryogen | you like the parrot defaul? damn it's ugly and unusable :) |
| 07:16.20 | Pkekyo | I spent a whole evening configing SCT to make it fit my taste |
| 07:16.25 | Pkekyo | O.o |
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| 07:18.42 | MoonWolf | actually |
| 07:18.47 | MoonWolf | i like the msbt default |
| 07:18.48 | MoonWolf | best |
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| 07:19.24 | starlon | I made maybe 3 changes to msbt's default settings |
| 07:19.44 | Arrowmaster | i cant stand msbt's default font |
| 07:20.05 | MoonWolf | well, i removed dodges, misses and parries from the things that show up |
| 07:20.10 | Iceroth | oi ckknight, a suggestion for parrot: i'm having hard time spotting that tiny minus sign in front of buff fades, it looks pretty much same as buff gain when glancing fast, so an idea came: how about adding some icon overlay, like red "/" or something to make it easier on the eye |
| 07:20.12 | MoonWolf | but that is about it. |
| 07:21.04 | Pkekyo | I hate the msbt font more than anything I've ever seen when it comes to fonts |
| 07:21.46 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 07:21.48 | Diao | isn't it like |
| 07:21.51 | Diao | comic sans or something |
| 07:21.53 | Diao | looks similar |
| 07:21.58 | Arrowmaster | i cring when i see it in screenshots |
| 07:22.16 | Diao | +e |
| 07:23.06 | RaydenUni | yeah the default msbt sucks |
| 07:23.11 | ZealotOnAStick | there's a couple, but I think the primary one is Porky's. |
| 07:23.12 | RaydenUni | comic sans sucks |
| 07:23.29 | Pkekyo | it's like comic sans on steroids with a pixel problem |
| 07:23.30 | Arrowmaster | ive been meaning to replace the wow font thats used in mail and the questlogs quest titles is the quest descriptions |
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| 07:23.54 | Arrowmaster | its the only default wow font i dont like |
| 07:24.38 | RaydenUni | sct? |
| 07:24.39 | ZealotOnAStick | I finally tried Parrot yesterday. Like it a lot. Very easily configurable. |
| 07:24.51 | ZealotOnAStick | Of course, all that work I spent configuring it is toast now. :( |
| 07:25.04 | RaydenUni | why;s that? |
| 07:25.23 | ZealotOnAStick | One of the drives in my Stripe Array went bad. |
| 07:26.11 | Pkekyo | ohnoes :< |
| 07:26.53 | Pkekyo | hahahha, gotta love it when arena2 warriors barely even damage me ^^ |
| 07:29.52 | Pkekyo | the person I recommended ClassTimers to earlier...you still here? |
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| 07:33.51 | Fisker- | the us forums deliver |
| 07:35.31 | MoonWolf | the forums are like |
| 07:35.35 | MoonWolf | the forums on crack |
| 07:35.36 | buu | !ar 1600 |
| 07:35.36 | ThraeBot | buu: Points given is above the threshold for conversion. Try a different number. Or perhaps you meant to convert ratings to points? Either way, you fail at life. |
| 07:35.48 | MoonWolf | really, there is no other thing to compare the forums too right now. |
| 07:36.03 | buu | !ap 1601 |
| 07:36.03 | ThraeBot | buu: Arena points from a rating of 1601 is, 2v2: 345, 3v3: 394, 5v5: 493 |
| 07:36.16 | Pkekyo | MoonWolf: what will follow is MUCH better |
| 07:36.21 | MoonWolf | not really |
| 07:36.24 | Pkekyo | ~vipermaverick |
| 07:36.24 | purl | i heard vipermaverick is epic, legendary, traumatic, depressing and entertaining, all at once! - http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=7731.msg126402;topicseen |
| 07:36.32 | Pkekyo | read and weep |
| 07:36.35 | MoonWolf | what will follow after tommorow is whining about what was announced |
| 07:36.52 | Pkekyo | announced? wha? |
| 07:37.34 | Fisker- | i like it though |
| 07:37.36 | dreamss2 | !ar 1724 |
| 07:37.36 | ThraeBot | dreamss2: Points given is above the threshold for conversion. Try a different number. Or perhaps you meant to convert ratings to points? Either way, you fail at life. |
| 07:37.40 | MoonWolf | oh, i ment the blizzard forums. |
| 07:37.55 | Fisker- | on the US forums people are getting banned like hell |
| 07:38.00 | dreamss2 | !ap 1724 |
| 07:38.01 | ThraeBot | dreamss2: Arena points from a rating of 1724 is, 2v2: 459, 3v3: 524, 5v5: 655 |
| 07:38.07 | Fisker- | but on the EU forums no topic or user have been hurt :P |
| 07:38.13 | dreamss2 | !ap 1663 |
| 07:38.13 | ThraeBot | dreamss2: Arena points from a rating of 1663 is, 2v2: 401, 3v3: 458, 5v5: 573 |
| 07:38.16 | MoonWolf | YET |
| 07:38.55 | Fisker- | hah |
| 07:39.15 | Fisker- | they're probably not insane like they are on the US forums |
| 07:39.43 | Fisker- | It was also EU that leaked it i think :P |
| 07:39.45 | RaydenUni | what does /camp do? |
| 07:39.50 | Fisker- | log you out |
| 07:39.51 | Antiarc | Same as /logout |
| 07:39.53 | RaydenUni | oh |
| 07:39.55 | Fisker- | play moar swg, eq, etc. |
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| 07:41.04 | Diao | rofl |
| 07:41.10 | Diao | this hunter popped beast within |
| 07:41.13 | Diao | and forgot to turn off aotc |
| 07:41.16 | Diao | >.> |
| 07:41.18 | dreamss2 | aotc? |
| 07:41.23 | Diao | i dazed him to death |
| 07:41.25 | dreamss2 | LOL |
| 07:41.25 | Diao | aspect of the cheetah |
| 07:41.33 | dreamss2 | just realized |
| 07:41.40 | dreamss2 | lol |
| 07:41.40 | Diao | i was like |
| 07:41.42 | Diao | wtf why is he so slow |
| 07:41.48 | Diao | then i realized he was being dazed on every hit :D |
| 07:42.31 | Iceroth | oh, his i-win-button broke? bu-huu |
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| 07:44.01 | Fisker- | I wonder if the mods understand me? :o |
| 07:44.13 | Fisker- | when i report caps'ed topics i just report them for "Cruisecontrol" :o |
| 07:44.43 | Pkekyo | is there any good metagems for tanking? |
| 07:45.22 | Iceroth | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=3.6 |
| 07:45.42 | RaydenUni | is there a smartbuff type mod for ace? |
| 07:46.20 | Fisker- | btw MoonWolf |
| 07:46.21 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=305561398&postId=3054941972&sid=1#4 |
| 07:46.23 | Hjalte | RaydenUni, tried Corkfu? |
| 07:46.25 | Fisker- | Look at my guildname :P |
| 07:46.54 | RaydenUni | what does it do Hjalte ? |
| 07:46.56 | MoonWolf | Fisker-, a voice of sanity in a world that does not wish to hear it. |
| 07:47.17 | Fisker- | :o? |
| 07:47.40 | MoonWolf | the first pot |
| 07:47.41 | MoonWolf | post* |
| 07:47.48 | Hjalte | RaydenUni, you can configure it to buff you/your group/etc with an actionbar button or so |
| 07:47.58 | Fisker- | he's not a voice of sanity |
| 07:48.02 | MoonWolf | Fisker-, did you make that guild like yesterday |
| 07:48.07 | Fisker- | nah |
| 07:48.10 | RaydenUni | does it cast automatically? or check if it needs to? |
| 07:48.12 | Fisker- | it was the day before |
| 07:48.31 | RaydenUni | i want something that i can use to keep inner fire, PWF etc up |
| 07:48.42 | RaydenUni | using smartbuff and the mousewheel was perfect |
| 07:49.46 | Hjalte | RaydenUni, oh, there addons that can do mousewheel stuff too. SimpleSelfRebuff is one of them. |
| 07:50.02 | RaydenUni | that's what i'm looking for |
| 07:50.05 | RaydenUni | not necessarily a group buffer |
| 07:50.14 | Fisker- | OH LAWD |
| 07:50.14 | RaydenUni | i'll try it, maybe go back to SB we'll see |
| 07:50.15 | Fisker- | HI I NEED HELP HERE IM SO AGRY |
| 07:50.15 | Fisker- | MY NAME ACC IS MAXTONY AND MY PASS IS |
| 07:50.21 | Fisker- | he posted his password on customer support |
| 07:50.43 | RaydenUni | does it work? |
| 07:50.46 | Pkekyo | lmao |
| 07:50.58 | Pkekyo | why the hell would he do that? |
| 07:51.18 | Fisker- | well probably the same reason why he posted in all caps |
| 07:51.26 | RaydenUni | he's 12 |
| 07:51.29 | Fisker- | and i'm not gonna try |
| 07:51.46 | Pkekyo | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32083 |
| 07:51.47 | Pkekyo | worth buying? |
| 07:51.52 | RaydenUni | log in, change the password, and then post on the forum informing a mod you have changed it to prevent anyone from stealing it and they should contact you |
| 07:52.17 | mitch0 | morgen |
| 07:52.44 | RaydenUni | touch of weakness is supported by simpleselfrebuff? |
| 07:52.45 | Pkekyo | g'mornin mitch0 |
| 07:52.55 | RaydenUni | i thought you couldn't cast spells in combat like that anymore |
| 07:52.56 | Hjalte | Pkekyo, I bought it since t4 head is quite a way away for my alt. |
| 07:53.31 | Hjalte | RaydenUni, you can't afaik. I don't think any addon can cast "automatic" spells in combat. |
| 07:53.39 | RaydenUni | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/SimpleSelfRebuff |
| 07:54.11 | Pkekyo | Hjalte: we haven't started kara yet soeh.. |
| 07:54.35 | ZealotOnAStick | + |
| 07:54.36 | RaydenUni | oh |
| 07:54.40 | RaydenUni | touch of weakness is a buff |
| 07:54.47 | RaydenUni | i was thinking of the troll racial |
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| 07:55.15 | dreamss2 | any way to copy paste an item link from irc to wow? :P |
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| 07:55.33 | RaydenUni | touch of weakness sucks |
| 07:55.36 | RaydenUni | requires you to hit with melee |
| 07:55.57 | art3mis | no it requires you to get hit in melee |
| 07:56.18 | RaydenUni | oh get hit? ok |
| 07:56.20 | art3mis | unholy enchant works like touch of weakness |
| 07:56.27 | art3mis | only its a melee hit you deal |
| 07:56.29 | dreamss2 | its a magic effect so its nice to bump important buffs inside |
| 07:56.38 | RaydenUni | The caster's next damaging melee attack <-- poorly worded |
| 07:56.38 | Pkekyo | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25896#M0z in http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32083#z0z sound good? :> |
| 07:57.17 | Hjalte | Pkekyo, I'm using that. I'm satisfied :) |
| 07:57.46 | Diao | ugh |
| 07:58.08 | Diao | hamstring needs to be buffed to 60% slow and nerfed to 8 sec |
| 07:58.18 | dreamss2 | why both |
| 07:58.33 | dreamss2 | it has no DR so the timer is not important |
| 07:58.52 | Iceroth | it needs the dr... |
| 07:59.14 | dreamss2 | LOL i doubt it |
| 07:59.18 | dreamss2 | they need to remove dr |
| 07:59.25 | dreamss2 | its worthless now |
| 07:59.50 | Pkekyo | Hjalte: got armory for your warrior? I'd like to take a look :> |
| 08:00.02 | dreamss2 | with resilance, and the 10seccond cc duration |
| 08:00.03 | dreamss2 | heh |
| 08:00.15 | dreamss2 | they need to add DR on silence effects first :P |
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| 08:00.29 | dreamss2 | or make resilance affect silence/cs |
| 08:00.50 | Diao | because |
| 08:00.52 | Diao | crip poison and wing clip |
| 08:00.53 | Diao | have no DR |
| 08:01.00 | Diao | and they slow much more than hamstring |
| 08:01.06 | Diao | which means warriors have no chance unless they have someone healing them :P |
| 08:01.32 | Hjalte | Pkekyo, sure, http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&n=Insecure |
| 08:01.38 | dreamss2 | warriors are overly OP |
| 08:01.50 | Diao | only if thye have multiple healers |
| 08:01.55 | Diao | alone they're easy to kill |
| 08:02.05 | dreamss2 | they can rape a hunter easly if hunter has a pet out |
| 08:02.13 | dreamss2 | sweeping strikes GG |
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| 08:02.19 | Diao | eh |
| 08:02.23 | Pkekyo | insecure? not a very good name for a tank :p |
| 08:02.24 | Diao | sweeping strikes doesn't do anything o_O |
| 08:02.39 | Hjalte | Pkekyo, the riding crop is a Figurine of the Colossus when i am tanking :) |
| 08:02.46 | dreamss2 | ss makes a whirlwild give the hunter like 4 insta hits |
| 08:02.47 | dreamss2 | heh |
| 08:02.50 | Hjalte | Pkekyo, grrr, it is ;) |
| 08:02.56 | dreamss2 | with their pet out |
| 08:03.03 | Pkekyo | Hjalte: you got the helm enchant from KoT? |
| 08:03.04 | Diao | no |
| 08:03.09 | Diao | ss wsa nerfed long ago |
| 08:03.13 | Hjalte | Pkekyo, yeah |
| 08:03.18 | Diao | now when combined with ww all it does is hit 1 extra time |
| 08:03.20 | Diao | so it's 5 hits instead of 4 |
| 08:03.23 | Diao | on 4 targets |
| 08:03.28 | Diao | on 2 targets it becomes 3 hits |
| 08:04.16 | dreamss2 | well tbh i HAD a war pre BC |
| 08:04.21 | Pkekyo | gah, I've gotta boost some lowbies through durnholde then :< |
| 08:04.28 | dreamss2 | but my arena partner is a war and he does the same tho |
| 08:04.35 | Diao | of course it's useful |
| 08:04.37 | Diao | to get extra rage |
| 08:04.46 | Diao | but a hunter can easily just kite a warrior forever |
| 08:04.48 | Hjalte | Pkekyo, can i see your warrior then? |
| 08:05.08 | Pkekyo | sec, trying to find him |
| 08:05.11 | dreamss2 | entrap hunter can, most i see are BW tho |
| 08:05.16 | Diao | lol |
| 08:05.22 | Pkekyo | http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Bloodfeather&n=Baesj |
| 08:05.23 | Diao | BW is even worse if they're smart enough to turn off aotc |
| 08:05.30 | Diao | after the snake trap + wing clip |
| 08:05.32 | Diao | it's over |
| 08:05.32 | dreamss2 | hehe |
| 08:05.47 | dreamss2 | snake trap = free errr |
| 08:05.55 | dreamss2 | the war ability after killing someone |
| 08:05.55 | Pkekyo | Hjalte: keep in mind I did my first heroic two days ago |
| 08:06.02 | Pkekyo | Victory Rush |
| 08:06.11 | dreamss2 | yeah hehe |
| 08:06.20 | Diao | yeah if you can get in range to use it ;p |
| 08:06.51 | Hjalte | Pkekyo, you've still got more karazhan loot :( |
| 08:07.20 | Pkekyo | Hjalte: yeah, my old guild are doing SSC and TK now :> |
| 08:07.52 | Pkekyo | those epix itams dropped on two of four runs I got to join (we had a million warriors) |
| 08:07.52 | dreamss2 | i never seen my war buddy complain about hunters, mostly SP |
| 08:07.58 | Pkekyo | also: do note my guilds name ^^ |
| 08:08.06 | Pkekyo | hunters? they're just annoying, nothing else |
| 08:08.22 | Hjalte | Pkekyo, I do like that you do not down-prioritize hitrating :) |
| 08:08.34 | Dustwhisper | ASdhASHFASHF |
| 08:08.35 | Pkekyo | I don't? x) |
| 08:08.39 | Dustwhisper | i had the divine pleasure of going to an MRI today |
| 08:08.41 | Dustwhisper | at the hospital |
| 08:08.49 | Dustwhisper | Youd think that be a quick and easy thing right |
| 08:08.55 | Dustwhisper | so im placed on this table in a robe |
| 08:09.02 | Hjalte | Pkekyo, not in the same degree as some of the warriors I've seen. |
| 08:09.02 | Pkekyo | I have like 9% hit rating in pvp gear (MS) |
| 08:09.03 | Dustwhisper | and they go "So this will take around 50 minutes" |
| 08:09.06 | dreamss2 | dosent sound fast actually |
| 08:09.10 | Dustwhisper | and i think "WTF i have to lay here for 50 minutes" |
| 08:09.13 | Dustwhisper | but i think |
| 08:09.14 | Dustwhisper | ok i can do this |
| 08:09.17 | Dustwhisper | then he syas |
| 08:09.18 | dreamss2 | prolly has to adjust to your body first |
| 08:09.24 | Dustwhisper | "To get a better image we want to insert a coil in your rectum" |
| 08:09.25 | Pkekyo | I dunno why I have so much...it just happened :P |
| 08:09.26 | Dustwhisper | and im like oO WTF |
| 08:09.34 | Dustwhisper | so they shove a coil 10 centimeters up my ass |
| 08:09.36 | Diao | lol |
| 08:09.38 | Pkekyo | atm, I'm just gemming as much stam as I can |
| 08:09.39 | Dustwhisper | then pump it full of air |
| 08:09.41 | Diao | ever seen a geared out combat rogue? |
| 08:09.44 | Dustwhisper | to the size of a pear |
| 08:09.46 | dreamss2 | ouch |
| 08:09.47 | Pkekyo | immune to crits anyways soeh... |
| 08:09.48 | Dustwhisper | gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 08:09.48 | Diao | pretty disgusting in pvp |
| 08:09.59 | Diao | i fought a rogue 12k hp 350 resilience |
| 08:10.06 | Diao | 1600 ap 30% crit unbuffed |
| 08:10.10 | Dustwhisper | so now my ass is all lubed up and my farts smell like rancid hell |
| 08:10.13 | Diao | critting me for 800 whites |
| 08:10.17 | Hjalte | Pkekyo, then there's dodge, shield block, stupid stamina and all the other stuff. |
| 08:10.18 | ramoz | hm |
| 08:10.24 | ramoz | sounds like you had a good day Dustwhisper |
| 08:10.29 | Dustwhisper | yea brilliant |
| 08:10.37 | ramoz | so |
| 08:10.47 | ramoz | did you enjoy having things up your ass? |
| 08:10.53 | Dustwhisper | i have a newfound respect for pornstars, girls that take it up the ass, and especially all the girls i pretended i took the wrong hole on when i was drunk |
| 08:11.01 | Dustwhisper | well the weird thing is |
| 08:11.04 | Dustwhisper | my ass doesnt hurt at all |
| 08:11.08 | Dustwhisper | having the runs hurts more |
| 08:11.10 | evl | uh |
| 08:11.13 | evl | get back to addons please |
| 08:11.14 | Diao | sure it was a MRI and not colonoscopy o_O |
| 08:11.23 | Dustwhisper | yea |
| 08:11.30 | dreamss2 | why did u get an mri for anyways |
| 08:11.33 | Diao | isn't MRI like... |
| 08:11.35 | Diao | a brain scan |
| 08:11.36 | Diao | >.> |
| 08:11.38 | Pkekyo | Hjalte: yeah...but hey...I've got about 35% total mitigation and...150% partial mitigation... I like stam better atm :> |
| 08:12.22 | dreamss2 | resilance is chance based, it can be better than sta IF u get lucky |
| 08:12.24 | dreamss2 | but heh |
| 08:12.30 | abbat_w | pfff... |
| 08:12.36 | abbat_w | resilience better then sta |
| 08:12.44 | dreamss2 | i been a shaman for 3 years and know how blizz' chance system is |
| 08:12.53 | dreamss2 | 4 wf in a row and then 0 for 10 hits |
| 08:12.54 | abbat_w | You healers heal you w/o any problem if you don't receive crits |
| 08:12.54 | dreamss2 | lol |
| 08:13.07 | abbat_w | And you don't safe you life if you have only sta |
| 08:13.16 | dreamss2 | in arenas when ppl die is cause i get chain CS/silenced/cc |
| 08:13.25 | dreamss2 | heh |
| 08:13.45 | abbat_w | cs is only 8 sec now. 6 sec with paladin aura |
| 08:13.56 | dreamss2 | and silence |
| 08:13.59 | dreamss2 | and fear |
| 08:14.00 | abbat_w | hard to die if you have good gear with resilience |
| 08:14.19 | abbat_w | http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Vek'nilash&n=Sundo |
| 08:14.20 | dreamss2 | warlock/priest teams tend to kick my ass that way |
| 08:14.23 | abbat_w | check this guy |
| 08:14.30 | abbat_w | 518 resilience, 10k hp |
| 08:14.37 | dreamss2 | class? |
| 08:14.38 | abbat_w | And try to kill this priest ;) |
| 08:14.48 | Diao | holy priest |
| 08:14.49 | Diao | is impossible to kill |
| 08:14.52 | Diao | with that much resil |
| 08:14.52 | abbat_w | shadow |
| 08:14.59 | Diao | crit a hamstring and you're fucked |
| 08:15.02 | Diao | cause of blessed resilience |
| 08:15.06 | RaydenUni | resil reduces damage? or just crit? |
| 08:15.12 | abbat_w | Diao, lol ;) |
| 08:15.18 | dreamss2 | reduces dot dmg |
| 08:15.22 | dreamss2 | crit dmg |
| 08:15.25 | Diao | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Smolderthorn&n=Jcastt |
| 08:15.26 | dreamss2 | and chance to get cit on |
| 08:15.27 | Diao | check out that holy priest |
| 08:15.29 | abbat_w | reduces chance of crit and if crit proc, reduce damage from crit |
| 08:15.31 | Diao | 547 resil |
| 08:15.33 | Diao | 11k hp |
| 08:15.37 | Diao | near 4k armor |
| 08:15.41 | dreamss2 | abbat and dot dmg now |
| 08:15.46 | abbat_w | nope |
| 08:15.49 | abbat_w | only at ptr ;) |
| 08:15.53 | RaydenUni | so against something that doesn't rely on crits it doesn't matter? |
| 08:16.13 | dreamss2 | in pvp u rely on on burst/crits tho |
| 08:16.13 | Diao | yep |
| 08:16.16 | dreamss2 | or used too |
| 08:16.17 | Diao | well |
| 08:16.18 | abbat_w | RaydenUni, all classes need to have crits ;) |
| 08:16.20 | Diao | not afflic locks |
| 08:16.23 | Diao | or shadow priest |
| 08:16.37 | RaydenUni | shadow priests don't rely on crits nearly as much as say a rogue |
| 08:16.39 | abbat_w | After patch resilience affect dot's dmg |
| 08:16.39 | RaydenUni | but they rely on dots |
| 08:16.47 | Dustwhisper | i wanted to kick one of our Shadowpriests when he rolled on adornment of stolen souls over me |
| 08:16.52 | abbat_w | So, resilience after patch much better then stamina |
| 08:16.54 | RaydenUni | what's that? |
| 08:17.04 | Dustwhisper | +dmg/crit necklace from prince |
| 08:17.15 | Dustwhisper | highest crit necklace you can get until hyjal/BT i think |
| 08:17.19 | dreamss2 | imo mixing res and sta is the shit |
| 08:17.25 | abbat_w | RaydenUni, you sure? How about non crit sw:d, or mind blast? |
| 08:17.51 | abbat_w | dreamss2, it's a best way now to mix this 2 params |
| 08:17.55 | RaydenUni | i'm not saying it doesn't matter, i'm saying it doesn't matter as much as for someone like a rogue |
| 08:18.05 | cryogen | shadowpriests dont need crit at all |
| 08:18.10 | abbat_w | ;) |
| 08:18.16 | cryogen | i have 31% crit on mind blast without taking crit gear |
| 08:18.25 | cryogen | thats more than enough |
| 08:18.25 | abbat_w | I have 450 resilience |
| 08:18.37 | abbat_w | And priests won't crit on me ;) |
| 08:18.37 | Speeddymon | Nargiddley: here? |
| 08:18.38 | dreamss2 | im resilance show reduce CC more than crits |
| 08:18.46 | dreamss2 | cc/silence effects |
| 08:19.01 | abbat_w | cc duration now just 10 sec |
| 08:19.08 | cryogen | yes well im not likely to ever come up against someone with 450 res :) |
| 08:19.13 | ramoz | abbat_w: sundos shadow dmg is gimped to fuck tho |
| 08:19.16 | cryogen | not in my rating bracket :) |
| 08:19.40 | dreamss2 | abbat instead of doing that just make res affect it |
| 08:19.42 | Speeddymon | anyone know if it is possible to call a function stored in an AceOptions table? |
| 08:19.59 | Speeddymon | I want to manually call one of my get='s functions |
| 08:21.20 | abbat_w | dreamss2, paladin aura reduce counterspell effect from 8 sec to just 6 sec |
| 08:21.33 | dreamss2 | i use the talent] |
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| 08:21.40 | dreamss2 | and dosent stack |
| 08:21.48 | abbat_w | ah |
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| 08:21.59 | dreamss2 | shsman one is better now, 30% instead of 15% from pally |
| 08:22.09 | dreamss2 | punless pally was made 30 hehe |
| 08:22.14 | Nargiddley | Speeddymon, theres nothing special about the table. just call it |
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| 08:23.22 | Arrowmaster | damn /dtframestack isnt helping me at all figure out what addon is placing this weird thing on my screen when i get combo points on my rogue |
| 08:24.38 | Arrowmaster | too bad you cant use the tostring of a table to reference it |
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| 08:28.56 | Fisker- | OH LAAAAAAAWD |
| 08:29.02 | Fisker- | that guy who posted his password |
| 08:29.13 | Fisker- | got his post removed because he didn't want to edit it himself |
| 08:29.20 | Fisker- | now he post it again AND with his cd-key |
| 08:29.32 | Fisker- | should almost ask him to post his email and password as well |
| 08:30.37 | dreamss2 | ? |
| 08:31.25 | Fisker- | some guy posting his account, password and cd-key :P |
| 08:33.39 | Bejitt | hmmm get his CC? :X |
| 08:35.23 | RaydenUni | very odd |
| 08:35.28 | RaydenUni | well night guys |
| 08:36.07 | evl | ~ugt |
| 08:36.08 | purl | it has been said that ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 08:36.29 | todd | I've got a question.. what is a mirrorbar? |
| 08:36.40 | evl | todd: breath, exaustion etc. |
| 08:36.43 | todd | ah |
| 08:36.45 | todd | thanks |
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| 08:36.52 | evl | ckknight: fucking tyrant |
| 08:37.01 | evl | ckknight: sike |
| 08:37.18 | Fisker- | i agree |
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| 08:40.30 | CIA-22 | 03nemes * r45566 10NBuffBars/ (5 files in 2 dirs): NBuffBars: embed FuBar options in menu, move FuBar methods out to separate class/file, fix saving of interesting/boring |
| 08:44.54 | ckknight | evl: ? |
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| 08:45.59 | evl | ckknight: nevermind, i'm experimenting with mind-expanding drugs |
| 08:46.17 | dreamss2 | arent we akk |
| 08:46.18 | dreamss2 | all |
| 08:47.44 | Zicon | I'm not. I'm like this without help. |
| 08:49.19 | Speeddymon | narg: i figured out a way to do it without needing to. I just hadn't been sure up until now whether any table (aceoptions or not) that had a function for the value could be called as if it were a function.. |
| 08:49.29 | Speeddymon | thx tho.. |
| 08:49.31 | Speeddymon | night all |
| 08:54.03 | loonacy | Okay, how do you make an editbox fill its parent? I tried doing editbox:SetAllPoints(editframe) but it only expands to fit how many lines it has. |
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| 08:55.29 | evl | What's that notepad thingy everyone is using |
| 08:55.31 | evl | the developer one |
| 08:55.38 | loonacy | evl: I use Omnibus |
| 08:55.54 | loonacy | If you're talking about in-game editing. |
| 08:55.58 | CIA-22 | 03borlox 07Borlox * r45567 10NCHide/NCHide/ (Core.lua Locale-enUS.lua NCHide.toc): |
| 08:55.58 | CIA-22 | NCHide: |
| 08:55.58 | CIA-22 | - fixed bug with the AceOptionsList |
| 08:55.58 | CIA-22 | - fixed bug with moving Minimap/BuffFrame |
| 08:55.58 | CIA-22 | - Added enUS locale |
| 08:55.59 | CIA-22 | - This is some kind of Release Candidate, but there may be still some bugs. |
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| 08:59.51 | Ominous | evl: notepad ++? |
| 09:00.05 | evl | I was thinking about ingame yes :) |
| 09:00.25 | pb_ee1 | For those who would eventually be interested: http://zorglub6.free.fr/phpWebFTP/ |
| 09:02.59 | Fisker- | french ! |
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| 09:09.01 | Pkekyo | anyone else noticed that cleave, when more than two enemies in rage, it always jumps to the second target with the lowest hp? |
| 09:09.26 | Ominous | pb_ee1 is it possible to make it so that the top dir it can see is not public_html but public_html/ftp? |
| 09:11.54 | pb_ee1 | Ominous: well |
| 09:11.57 | pb_ee1 | I suppose, yes ;p |
| 09:12.54 | pb_ee1 | it's a very basic thing, it actually gets the path with the $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'] variable |
| 09:13.36 | pb_ee1 | So if you change this variable by something else (the whole path from the root to public_html/ftp) it would do the trick |
| 09:13.47 | pb_ee1 | Check at line 58 and 61 |
| 09:14.11 | Ominous | thanks |
| 09:14.40 | pb_ee1 | Hum... well try to do at line 57 $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'] = <your_path> |
| 09:14.55 | pb_ee1 | You can also replace each occurence of $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'] in the file |
| 09:15.00 | pb_ee1 | As you wish ;=) |
| 09:15.03 | CIA-22 | 03cronan * r45568 10BigBrother/BigBrother.lua: |
| 09:15.03 | CIA-22 | BigBrother: |
| 09:15.03 | CIA-22 | real revert to ParserLib-1.1 |
| 09:15.14 | Ominous | thanks |
| 09:15.50 | Ominous | would it be /home/ominou/public_html/ftp? or just public_html/ftp or relative to the dir its installed in |
| 09:16.42 | pb_ee1 | it would be /home/ominou/public_html/ftp |
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| 09:18.24 | CIA-22 | 03jerry * r45569 10ItemBonusLib/ItemBonusLib-1.0/ItemBonusLib-1.0.lua: ItemBonusLib: several small fixes. |
| 09:19.30 | CIA-22 | 03jayhawk * r45570 10FuBar_SkillsPlusFu/ (7 files): |
| 09:19.30 | CIA-22 | FuBar_SkillsPlusFu: |
| 09:19.30 | CIA-22 | - attempted to add cooldowns for void and prismatic spheres. |
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| 09:19.47 | pb_ee1 | I'm gonna put it on google code,it's a pain in the ass to code without SVN |
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| 09:21.44 | ckknight | hey all |
| 09:21.53 | pb_ee1 | heya. |
| 09:21.54 | ckknight | how's everyone doing? |
| 09:21.55 | dreamss2 | phpWebFTP only uses the HTTP protocol to transfer files, thus you can manage your website even if you are at work (or anywhere else) and that the port 22 is closed. What you will need however is a PHP engine installed on your server with permissions to write/read/... well, actually all the permissions that you would need if you wanted to manage your files with the FTP protocol! |
| 09:22.11 | dreamss2 | whoever wrote that dosent know how the ftp protocol works |
| 09:22.19 | dreamss2 | or know many ftp daemons :P |
| 09:22.29 | pb_ee1 | ? |
| 09:22.36 | pb_ee1 | i made it simple :P |
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| 09:23.48 | pb_ee1 | what's wrong with it? |
| 09:24.09 | dreamss2 | and that the port 22 is closed. <-- |
| 09:24.36 | pb_ee1 | aha i see |
| 09:24.42 | pb_ee1 | yeah, you can connect on any port |
| 09:24.57 | pb_ee1 | but when you have a shared server, it's generally port 22 |
| 09:25.01 | pb_ee1 | and you cannot change it :( |
| 09:25.03 | Mecdemort | any idea why GetItemInfo("item:22577:0:0:0:0:0:0:1281607654") would return nil? |
| 09:25.18 | dreamss2 | \no daemon uses admin ports for slave connections |
| 09:25.21 | pb_ee1 | Mecdemort: you don't have it in your cache? |
| 09:25.30 | dreamss2 | AND |
| 09:25.34 | dreamss2 | there is port mode |
| 09:25.38 | dreamss2 | and ssh tunnels |
| 09:25.49 | Mecdemort | pb_ee1: i thought as much, but one of my characters has it and it was working not an hour ago |
| 09:25.54 | pb_ee1 | and when you cannot use ssh? :p |
| 09:26.02 | pb_ee1 | Mecdemort: dunno then |
| 09:26.25 | pb_ee1 | what do you mean by "no daemon uses admin ports for slave connections"? |
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| 09:27.07 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 09:27.10 | cncfanatics | ~wuu |
| 09:27.11 | purl | i guess wuu is a WoW UI Updater - Updates your WoW addons automagically from WoWAce, WoWI, Cosmos, and CurseGaming sites. Homepage is http://wuu.vagabonds.info/ |
| 09:28.32 | dreamss2 | 0 to 1023 are restricted for admin daemons |
| 09:28.52 | pb_ee1 | ? |
| 09:29.20 | pb_ee1 | you mean only admins should connect on port 22? or nobody, and leave range 0-1023 to daemons? |
| 09:29.51 | dreamss2 | The Well Known Ports are those in the range 0–1023. On Unix-like operating systems, opening a port in this range to receive incoming connections requires administrative privileges or possessing of CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE capability. |
| 09:30.32 | pb_ee1 | and? i don't see the problem :p |
| 09:30.43 | Pkekyo | ckknight here? |
| 09:30.48 | dreamss2 | hehe just dont say port 22 :P |
| 09:30.52 | dreamss2 | just say firewall |
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| 09:31.14 | pb_ee1 | humm i'll do that, no worries, but i don't understand why "port 22" is a problem |
| 09:31.34 | pb_ee1 | i'm connecting on port 22 on my shared server, but this port is blocked by our firewall |
| 09:31.53 | ckknight | Pkekyo: yea |
| 09:32.04 | pb_ee1 | (trying to find another name btw, phpWebFTP is already used) |
| 09:32.22 | CIA-22 | 03jayhawk * r45571 10FuBar_PetInfoFu/ (4 files): |
| 09:32.22 | CIA-22 | FuBar_PetInfoFu: |
| 09:32.22 | CIA-22 | - added per Kill timer |
| 09:32.24 | dreamss2 | not to mention passv command is number + 1024, i dont think you can do pasv on port 22 |
| 09:32.26 | dreamss2 | actually |
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| 09:33.24 | pb_ee1 | well i don't understand everything, but i'll remove this "port 22" thing :p |
| 09:33.25 | Dynom | port 22 for ftp? strange |
| 09:33.37 | pb_ee1 | ho, i'm stupid, did i say 22 instead of 21? |
| 09:33.45 | Dynom | only a few times |
| 09:33.48 | pb_ee1 | 21, obviously |
| 09:33.59 | Dynom | phew :-] |
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| 09:34.28 | Dynom | else your security log might flood a bit ^_^ |
| 09:35.10 | ckknight | bah, Colloquy doesn't show text in some channels. anyone ever get that? |
| 09:35.23 | dreamss2 | pb_ee1, i been a ftp admin for scene servers for a while, hehe |
| 09:37.46 | ckknight | nvm, found a workaround |
| 09:39.02 | pb_ee1 | dreamss2: no worries, i trust what you say. I just made an error between port 21 and 22 actually :p |
| 09:39.13 | pb_ee1 | project will be renamed to "webToFtp" |
| 09:39.44 | Dynom | webtoFTPno22ole |
| 09:39.58 | dreamss2 | when i saw 22 i tought you meant the data port |
| 09:40.02 | dreamss2 | not control port |
| 09:40.27 | Dynom | ftp data port isn't 22, it's 20 |
| 09:40.39 | pb_ee1 | argh |
| 09:40.43 | pb_ee1 | thought it was 21 |
| 09:40.44 | dreamss2 | aka no ftp server will open a listen tcp port on the non admin ports |
| 09:40.54 | dreamss2 | then source port is dynom :P |
| 09:40.59 | pb_ee1 | :P |
| 09:41.03 | dreamss2 | other than 21 |
| 09:41.20 | CIA-22 | 03ominous * r45572 10Tattle/ (38 files in 38 dirs): Tattle: Weekly full run of the dataminer |
| 09:41.24 | dreamss2 | http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:HYxjpnq-x2kJ:slacksite.com/other/ftp.html+ftp+active+command&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us |
| 09:41.26 | Dynom | depends on passivemode or not btw, passive is 1 port, active is two; 20 and 21 |
| 09:41.29 | dreamss2 | scroll down to summary |
| 09:41.38 | Ominous | god CIA takes about 5 mins to show commits atm |
| 09:42.15 | dreamss2 | pb_ee1, personally i would not bother with that project |
| 09:42.30 | dreamss2 | just make a http based file manager |
| 09:42.31 | dreamss2 | hehe |
| 09:43.28 | pb_ee1 | dreamss2: it's actually what you said |
| 09:43.33 | pb_ee1 | a http based file manager |
| 09:43.45 | Fisker- | STRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDEEEEEEEEEEEER |
| 09:43.51 | dreamss2 | heres the restrctions for non local ftp management using your script, speed betwin servers, and storage and resources |
| 09:43.53 | pb_ee1 | you manage your files on your server, but without using a ftp client |
| 09:44.04 | dreamss2 | add ajax |
| 09:44.11 | dreamss2 | drag and drop |
| 09:44.12 | dreamss2 | heh |
| 09:44.14 | pb_ee1 | for such a simple thing? |
| 09:44.18 | pb_ee1 | hoo |
| 09:44.24 | Dynom | xmlHttp ftw \o/ |
| 09:44.29 | pb_ee1 | :p |
| 09:44.50 | pb_ee1 | well i don't have the time to code so much things, i'm too busy with my other projects |
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| 09:45.05 | dreamss2 | i just keep servers working not code :P i tried to code xmlhtml and i realized i need to learn JS |
| 09:45.07 | dreamss2 | sigh |
| 09:45.12 | pb_ee1 | it's just a tool that i use for my websites when i need to update them at work when the firewall blocks file transfers |
| 09:45.13 | Dynom | rofl |
| 09:45.18 | Dynom | dreamss2: well not much to be honest |
| 09:45.25 | dreamss2 | oh i know |
| 09:45.28 | dreamss2 | its like c |
| 09:45.39 | pb_ee1 | i wanted to put it on google code so that people could use it without having to code it |
| 09:46.05 | Dynom | just create a handler, add a destination objecct and onchange listener, and done basically |
| 09:46.15 | Dynom | rest can be done in php/asp whatever |
| 09:46.25 | dreamss2 | webadmin has a very similar file manager so i can bet there are standalone ones avalible |
| 09:47.05 | Pkekyo | I, protwarr, am taking out a hunter and shammy duo over and over again O.o |
| 09:47.29 | Iceroth | 1) why would you block ftp transfers considering how many sites still provide downloads via ftp:// links, and b) why would you use ftp instead of ssh/sftp for your file transfers O.o |
| 09:47.41 | dreamss2 | ^ |
| 09:47.43 | dreamss2 | what i said |
| 09:48.32 | pb_ee1 | Fisker-: why? it hurts |
| 09:48.58 | Iceroth | i bet it doesn't hurt as much as pl/sql with oracle does |
| 09:49.01 | Iceroth | i'm in agony |
| 09:49.02 | pb_ee1 | Iceroth: a lot of companies block ftp transfers |
| 09:49.17 | pb_ee1 | Iceroth: AND ssh |
| 09:49.55 | Iceroth | yes i'm aware, the reason just escapes me |
| 09:50.06 | dreamss2 | security wise, ppl should use sftp instead of ftp |
| 09:50.14 | Grum | there is no real way to block a ftp transfer as you most likely open up another socket next to the control one and without analizing the packets themselve you dont know which port to block :) |
| 09:50.44 | dreamss2 | easy |
| 09:50.49 | dreamss2 | block all but 80 |
| 09:50.59 | dreamss2 | dest port |
| 09:51.28 | dreamss2 | ssh port CAn be used as a proxy and to get around corp firewalls |
| 09:51.28 | Grum | so why leave 80 open? ;) |
| 09:51.43 | Grum | dreamss2: you can tunnel over ssh indeed |
| 09:51.51 | dreamss2 | so ppl can use tunnelers than run on port 80 |
| 09:51.52 | dreamss2 | hehe |
| 09:51.59 | pb_ee1 | Iceroth: well, ftp is blocked to avoid overload on the internet connection |
| 09:52.04 | dreamss2 | or run openssh at 80 at home |
| 09:52.19 | Grum | pb_ee1: lol .. it's not 'ftp' which is causing any overload itself |
| 09:52.30 | Grum | http, ssh, <insert any kind of traffic> can do that :) |
| 09:52.43 | pb_ee1 | i know, but people tend to use it for things that does not concern work... and upload, or whatever |
| 09:52.50 | Grum | then get better people |
| 09:52.57 | pb_ee1 | well, i would be pleased that they open it though ;p |
| 09:53.02 | Grum | why? |
| 09:53.09 | dreamss2 | Grum ever since scrt added proxy mode for ssh forwarding, i havent had much firewall probs |
| 09:53.09 | Grum | ftp is a horrid protocol :) |
| 09:53.23 | Grum | dreamss2: you still need a box to ssh too =) |
| 09:53.28 | Grum | *to |
| 09:53.29 | Fisker- | because i haet you pb_ee1 :( |
| 09:53.34 | Fisker- | loli haets baer |
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| 09:53.49 | dreamss2 | i have servers and IPs |
| 09:53.50 | dreamss2 | hehe |
| 09:53.54 | pb_ee1 | Fisker-: how come? |
| 09:53.59 | dreamss2 | not to mention u can do it @home easly |
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| 09:54.10 | Grum | i can revoke ips =D |
| 09:54.10 | pb_ee1 | dreamss2: i'd be please to see how i can get around the firewall of my company, just for testing purpose :P |
| 09:54.18 | Grum | or hand em out ;) |
| 09:54.32 | dreamss2 | actually since redcode most non business ips have 80 blocked |
| 09:54.37 | pb_ee1 | i'm on windows though, and i didn't install SSH (/booo) |
| 09:55.03 | dreamss2 | there are several windows sshd |
| 09:55.10 | Grum | 'install ssh' .. you mean to be able to ssh towards your windows box? :) |
| 09:55.27 | Grum | there is no really good reason to want to run sshd on a windows box other than proxying |
| 09:55.38 | pb_ee1 | grum: nope, just install a client |
| 09:55.45 | Grum | putty? |
| 09:55.50 | dreamss2 | scrt rox puttys ass |
| 09:55.51 | dreamss2 | sorry |
| 09:55.53 | pb_ee1 | yeah, or anything that would do that |
| 09:55.58 | Grum | best client =D |
| 09:56.01 | Grum | putty > * |
| 09:56.04 | Grum | mostly because it's free ;) |
| 09:56.08 | Grum | afk food |
| 09:56.13 | pb_ee1 | the best ssh client is on linux :D |
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| 09:56.36 | dreamss2 | i raly use the ssh client on linux |
| 09:57.12 | Dynom | putty probably works on linux too |
| 09:57.33 | dreamss2 | scrt sits on a pgp drive, i can take anywere, client dosent know the machine changed since drive letter stays the same |
| 09:57.50 | Iceroth | scrt is neat for file transfers but i really prefer putty for the bare terminal usage |
| 09:58.47 | Dynom | yeh putty works under linux haha |
| 09:58.48 | dreamss2 | and i like to use keys instead of passwords |
| 09:58.51 | Dynom | looks crap though |
| 09:59.03 | Ominous | pb_ee1: what was the address again |
| 09:59.10 | Fisker- | pb_ee1 baer raeps loli |
| 09:59.19 | Iceroth | what's preventing you from using those with putty? |
| 09:59.22 | dreamss2 | only have to keep 2 keys to unlock every server i admin hehe |
| 09:59.49 | Dynom | dreamss2: you mean you use keys w/o passwords? you bad boy... |
| 10:00.00 | dreamss2 | keys have passwords |
| 10:00.06 | dreamss2 | strongest key u can make |
| 10:00.15 | Dynom | keys don't need passwords |
| 10:01.05 | dreamss2 | once i unlock my keyfile, i can access servers without the need of a password |
| 10:01.31 | Dynom | then your passphrase get's cached I asume |
| 10:01.34 | pb_ee1 | Ominous: http://code.google.com/p/webtoftp/ |
| 10:01.46 | pb_ee1 | Fisker-: i did not understand, sorry |
| 10:02.03 | dreamss2 | its easier to keylog than mem dump |
| 10:02.04 | dreamss2 | heh |
| 10:02.21 | dreamss2 | with physical access |
| 10:03.36 | Dynom | no not rly |
| 10:03.49 | pb_ee1 | Ominous: is everything fine with it? |
| 10:04.42 | dreamss2 | Dynom, huh? hardware ps2 proxy betwin kb and pc |
| 10:05.05 | Dynom | dreamss2: keylogger requires you to type your password again, memdump can be called anytime after you typed it |
| 10:05.06 | evl | can I use UNIT_AURA to detect mace proc stun? |
| 10:05.11 | Dynom | so memdumping is easier to do |
| 10:05.28 | Dynom | but I doubt the password is stored plaintext into memory, at least I wouldn't do it |
| 10:05.51 | dreamss2 | u just dump and analzye what the user typed on the kb |
| 10:06.49 | Dynom | yes, so you need to actually type it before it get's logged |
| 10:07.22 | dreamss2 | mem dump would require for the person to add a program to the PC, a simple program like tinyfw can stop that |
| 10:07.49 | Ominous | pb_ee1: what should the path in the variable i set be enclosed in? |
| 10:08.09 | Dynom | ye true, like how most pc's get infected anyway |
| 10:08.43 | cryogen | how do you play with purl in private? |
| 10:09.21 | Pkekyo | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=305701394&sid=1&pageNo=1 wiii :> |
| 10:09.23 | Pkekyo | nice post |
| 10:09.24 | pb_ee1 | Ominous: Sorry? :| |
| 10:09.42 | Ominous | never mind, yes it seems to be fine |
| 10:09.47 | mitch0 | cryogen: /msg purl cyb0r? |
| 10:09.58 | cryogen | mitch0: it doesnt answer :( |
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| 10:10.07 | cryogen | oh yes it does |
| 10:10.09 | mitch0 | it doesn't want to cybor with you then :) |
| 10:10.15 | cryogen | it just doesnt reply when i doesnt understand something :) |
| 10:10.20 | cryogen | s/i/it/ |
| 10:10.23 | dreamss2 | same for enhas shamans 2 years ago |
| 10:10.31 | cryogen | purl: liar! no more cyber for you |
| 10:10.37 | dreamss2 | im dying but im taking one of you fuckers with me |
| 10:11.28 | dreamss2 | Dynom, fyi if you want a server pass, the best place to look is IM logs |
| 10:11.29 | dreamss2 | heh |
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| 10:11.48 | pb_ee1 | Ominous: nice to hear it ;) |
| 10:12.00 | dreamss2 | or a text file on the desktop |
| 10:12.01 | dreamss2 | hehe |
| 10:12.02 | Dynom | dreamss2: yeh, pgp mail ftw |
| 10:12.13 | Dynom | I actually have encryption on my msn ^_^ |
| 10:12.14 | dreamss2 | pgp ftw |
| 10:13.03 | Ominous | pb_ee1: is it possible to password it? |
| 10:13.05 | pb_ee1 | Hey Fisker-, tell me what's going on :p |
| 10:13.14 | pb_ee1 | Ominous: put a .htaccess |
| 10:13.26 | Ominous | k |
| 10:13.28 | pb_ee1 | it's far the best way to protect it |
| 10:13.33 | dreamss2 | not many ppl take the time to learn crypto and use pgp heh |
| 10:13.47 | Fisker- | you are pedobear :( |
| 10:13.51 | Fisker- | loli haets bear |
| 10:14.28 | pb_ee1 | because i cannot take the risk of having a security hole in my code with such important data |
| 10:14.42 | pb_ee1 | having access to webtoftp = you do what you want with the server |
| 10:15.07 | mitch0 | you don't have to "learn crypto" to use pgp |
| 10:15.11 | dreamss2 | just resctrict to user dirs hehe |
| 10:15.23 | pb_ee1 | Fisker-: try speaking English :p i know baer, that's all i know |
| 10:16.01 | dreamss2 | since the httpd should NOT have root access |
| 10:16.01 | pb_ee1 | dreamss2: an .htaccess is the quickiest and most secure method to do it i think |
| 10:16.13 | pb_ee1 | it hasn't the root access |
| 10:16.55 | dreamss2 | chroot is but u cant do that |
| 10:17.16 | Fisker- | ok pb_ee1 :( |
| 10:17.27 | pb_ee1 | ? :p |
| 10:18.05 | pb_ee1 | am i the only person that does not understand what Fisker- says? |
| 10:18.59 | Mecdemort | so, smaller database or faster processing |
| 10:19.33 | Pkekyo | how can I pop a trinket in a macro? (deathwish + trinket) |
| 10:19.57 | Mecdemort | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:21.11 | Pkekyo | soeh... |
| 10:21.11 | Pkekyo | /use 13 |
| 10:21.12 | Pkekyo | /cast Death Wish |
| 10:21.12 | Pkekyo | ? |
| 10:21.17 | Mecdemort | yar |
| 10:21.25 | Mecdemort | top trinket or bottom trinket? |
| 10:21.39 | Pkekyo | top |
| 10:21.42 | Fisker- | you see pb_ee1 |
| 10:21.48 | Mecdemort | yup, 13 |
| 10:21.51 | Fisker- | you are the only who actually know i exist |
| 10:21.56 | pb_ee1 | rofl |
| 10:22.03 | Ominous | lol |
| 10:22.14 | dreamss2 | Fisker- makes me feel like im on shrooms |
| 10:22.27 | pb_ee1 | yeah, same |
| 10:22.51 | ciava | hello |
| 10:23.13 | Fisker- | that's what everybody says :( |
| 10:24.50 | dreamss2 | http://torrentfreak.com/worlds-first-conviction-for-removing-information-from-dvd/ |
| 10:24.51 | dreamss2 | lol |
| 10:25.24 | pb_ee1 | pwned. |
| 10:25.34 | Fisker- | i'm gonna love when all that shits gets hot |
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| 10:25.46 | Fisker- | Then suddenly you'll only see companies like Blizzard and Valve left |
| 10:25.56 | Fisker- | no fucking chance i'm shitting out 50$ on a game i know nothing about |
| 10:26.35 | dreamss2 | before wow came out im prolly responsable for 2-6 mill of shit |
| 10:26.50 | dreamss2 | fun times |
| 10:27.28 | Pkekyo | in a macro, is it possible to have both /use 13 and /use 14? |
| 10:28.08 | Qaarh | Pkekyo: If you want to activate your trinkets, you can also /use Vengeance of the Illidari, if that is the trinket name |
| 10:28.41 | ciava | im looking for a mod that reports to the chatframe when i've dispelled/purged something and which buff has been dispelled.. anyone know of anything like that? |
| 10:28.51 | odt | Pkekyo: depends on global cooldown |
| 10:28.57 | dreamss2 | shamanfriend does that ciava |
| 10:29.04 | odt | some trinkets go for global cd, some don't |
| 10:29.08 | ciava | thanks dreams |
| 10:29.10 | Pkekyo | how 'bout |
| 10:29.10 | Pkekyo | /use 13 |
| 10:29.10 | Pkekyo | /cast death wish |
| 10:29.10 | Pkekyo | /cast 14 |
| 10:29.11 | Pkekyo | ? |
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| 10:29.21 | dreamss2 | do stopcasting after each one |
| 10:29.25 | Pkekyo | my #13 doesn't atleast :> |
| 10:29.59 | dreamss2 | /use 13 |
| 10:30.05 | dreamss2 | /stopcasting |
| 10:30.10 | dreamss2 | /cast death wish |
| 10:30.12 | dreamss2 | etc |
| 10:30.32 | Pkekyo | stopcasting after deathwish too? |
| 10:31.22 | dreamss2 | yea |
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| 10:32.36 | ciava | dreamss2, is there a mod like that for priest's dispel and mage's spellsteal? |
| 10:33.35 | dreamss2 | not that i know of |
| 10:35.00 | Grum | when does the stopcasting work? when you dont trigger a GCD orso? |
| 10:35.06 | Megalon | yes |
| 10:35.27 | Megalon | when skills/items don't have shared cooldown |
| 10:35.47 | Megalon | like shield block/revenge macro, where shield block only triggers it's own cooldown |
| 10:36.07 | Megalon | and using a trinket also don't triggers the gcd |
| 10:36.58 | Pkekyo | dreamss2: does that mean I'll have to bash the macro several times? |
| 10:38.35 | Grum | Megalon: so if you check when you use a skill if the other skill you want to use gets a GCD - that is the deciding factor if they can be used with 1 macro-click? |
| 10:39.23 | dreamss2 | stopcasting is for 1 button press macro i belive |
| 10:39.28 | Megalon | Grum: yes |
| 10:39.56 | Megalon | if you want to activate them at the same time, else you could try a /castsequence macro |
| 10:39.57 | Grum | so what about cast-sequences |
| 10:40.22 | Grum | while trying to find the best rotation for my hunter i made a 15-casts cast-sequence but it didnt work at all O.o |
| 10:40.36 | Grum | i could press the button once .. and then .. it didn't want to be pressed anymore |
| 10:40.37 | dreamss2 | question, can u get around the addon cant choose target to cast spell too by using /target system? |
| 10:44.53 | CIA-22 | 03kunda * r45573 10AHsearch/AHsearch.lua: AHsearch: fix 'AHsearch Button': SetFrameStrata (thanks ChaosInc) |
| 10:45.35 | Grum | mm how do castsequences work? if you use a spell which has a 10s cooldown will the sequence hang for 10s? |
| 10:47.48 | loonacy | castsequence casts the spell then sets the macro to the next spell and doesn't do anything until you click it again. |
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| 10:48.28 | Grum | somehow something like: /castsequence Steady Shot, Arcane Shot, Multi-Shot, Steady Shot, Steady Shot didn't work at all |
| 10:48.40 | Grum | it would just do the 'first' one and then get 'greyed out' |
| 10:49.54 | Megalon | hm |
| 10:50.16 | Grum | is there an artificial limit on the length of it? |
| 10:50.26 | Grum | or could it just have been i made a stupid typo? |
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| 10:51.06 | Megalon | that should work i think :C |
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| 10:51.48 | Grum | Megalon: yeah i thought so as well O.o |
| 10:52.06 | Grum | oh well giving it another shot tonight (no phun intended =D), prolly a stupid typo somewhere |
| 10:52.37 | Megalon | the sequence will only go to the next step |
| 10:52.50 | Megalon | if the previous cast got no error |
| 10:53.17 | Grum | what would 'an error' be? interrupt? or like using a non-existing skill |
| 10:53.33 | Grum | or using it on non-hostile mob orso? |
| 10:53.39 | Grum | *npc |
| 10:54.28 | Megalon | if the spell has cooldown |
| 10:54.37 | Megalon | if it fails to cast |
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| 10:55.02 | Megalon | it will stay it the step, until the cast does not fail |
| 10:55.06 | Megalon | and then goes further |
| 10:55.28 | Megalon | or resets if one of the reset conditions matches |
| 10:55.52 | Megalon | you can have it reset on target change, after N seconds, or when pressing alt/ctrl etc |
| 10:56.31 | Megalon | do you have the question mark selected as symbol? |
| 10:56.32 | Diao | hmm |
| 10:56.47 | Megalon | because wow will update it then to the corresponding step |
| 10:56.49 | Megalon | it will cast next |
| 10:56.56 | loonacy | I just tried on mine, if I have an invalid spell as the second sequence, it will cast the first spell and then grey out. |
| 10:57.33 | Megalon | but isn't 'Arcane Shot' the valid name? |
| 10:57.42 | Diao | would you guys rather gain .19% crit and gem slot or gain 18ap/.56% crit while losing .63% hit on a warrior |
| 10:57.54 | loonacy | Yeah, but he might have put in a typo or something. |
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| 10:58.15 | evl | Diao: prot or fury?` |
| 10:58.18 | Diao | arms |
| 10:58.19 | Diao | lol |
| 10:58.26 | Diao | but i only have 5.96% hit |
| 10:58.38 | Diao | so that means i won't have 99.96% to hit in pvp anymore |
| 10:59.16 | Diao | debating between the last 2 pvp pieces i need (cloak/bracers) |
| 11:00.47 | Grum | Megalon: yeah i did indeed |
| 11:00.51 | dreamss2 | if ur fury your retarded |
| 11:00.54 | dreamss2 | lol |
| 11:01.02 | Diao | fury is amazing |
| 11:01.03 | Diao | for pve |
| 11:01.13 | Grum | loonacy: must have made a typo then somehow |
| 11:01.15 | dreamss2 | with shamans on both side u can make pve 2h dps viable |
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| 11:01.41 | Diao | but you don't always have a shaman :P |
| 11:01.41 | dreamss2 | ms war will do more execute dmg with a 2h procing wf |
| 11:01.58 | dreamss2 | de the loot? |
| 11:02.00 | dreamss2 | heh |
| 11:02.00 | Grum | Megalon: i wasn't really pasting it - not access to my box from here but still it was in that general direction - kinda need to check it so it seems :D |
| 11:02.07 | dreamss2 | bl is reason enuff to take one |
| 11:02.27 | Diao | yeah.. been trying to recruit a shammy |
| 11:02.32 | Diao | my guild doesn't have any :( |
| 11:02.34 | Diao | nobody wants to play one |
| 11:02.40 | dreamss2 | horde? |
| 11:02.44 | Diao | yea |
| 11:02.51 | dreamss2 | i was the only shaman in my guild |
| 11:02.53 | Grum | they are a bit utility class |
| 11:02.59 | dreamss2 | i started getting SO much loot |
| 11:03.05 | Diao | my best friend |
| 11:03.09 | Diao | was playing our only shammy |
| 11:03.09 | dreamss2 | a month ago 5+ shamans popped up |
| 11:03.10 | dreamss2 | heh |
| 11:03.11 | Diao | but he quit |
| 11:03.14 | Diao | to study for MCATs |
| 11:03.21 | Diao | so we lost our only one |
| 11:03.21 | Diao | lol |
| 11:03.31 | Grum | level one yourself? ;) |
| 11:03.40 | ramoz | shamans are awesome |
| 11:03.41 | Grum | healing shammies are really nice .. chainheal ftw |
| 11:03.50 | Grum | severly overpowered :) |
| 11:03.54 | dreamss2 | they bugged shamans healing so much |
| 11:04.00 | ramoz | chainheal + totmes = ownage buffs for the rest of the raid |
| 11:04.13 | dreamss2 | healing wave 1 does 300 heals with 3 healing way stacked |
| 11:04.24 | dreamss2 | rank 6 does as much as lhw for 200 mana |
| 11:04.34 | ramoz | prolly one of the best supportclasses ingame |
| 11:04.36 | Diao | lol |
| 11:04.48 | Megalon | the best is still palydan |
| 11:04.53 | Diao | too bad my gf wanted to play a be cause they're cuter so she rolled a pally instead of shaman >.> |
| 11:04.56 | dreamss2 | i have a ele/enhas/resto set from kz |
| 11:05.19 | dreamss2 | half of the time i dont see half of the loot cause i allready have it |
| 11:05.21 | dreamss2 | heh |
| 11:05.34 | Grum | ninja! ;) |
| 11:05.44 | dreamss2 | shit is defaulted to me |
| 11:05.46 | Diao | they should make all those "unique" items as unique-equipped |
| 11:05.50 | dreamss2 | if i dont take it is DEd |
| 11:05.53 | Diao | in case the only person who can DE has one already |
| 11:06.03 | dreamss2 | it has hapen to us |
| 11:06.23 | Grum | not like the crystals are really .. needed :) |
| 11:06.23 | Diao | unique-equipped just like all the JC stuff |
| 11:06.27 | Diao | would be nice |
| 11:06.32 | Diao | well you can always sell the |
| 11:06.35 | Megalon | once, we couldn't DE king's defender |
| 11:06.35 | Diao | them* |
| 11:06.37 | dreamss2 | shamans are rough on arenas |
| 11:06.41 | Megalon | because the mage already hat mongoose on it |
| 11:06.46 | Diao | lol |
| 11:06.48 | Megalon | :O |
| 11:06.51 | Grum | lol |
| 11:07.05 | Grum | seriously... that is .. sad to have as a mage =D |
| 11:07.10 | dreamss2 | pvp became very hard from ezemode for shamans :( |
| 11:07.11 | Diao | seen a lock with one too |
| 11:07.19 | sb | well |
| 11:07.23 | sb | resto shaman > all in arena :o |
| 11:07.24 | Megalon | kd in our guild was like |
| 11:07.28 | Diao | ehm |
| 11:07.29 | Megalon | never drop for .... |
| 11:07.31 | Diao | holy priest i think |
| 11:07.31 | sb | (all healers ;p) |
| 11:07.33 | sb | nah |
| 11:07.34 | Megalon | then, every week in both groups |
| 11:07.34 | Diao | is better support |
| 11:07.34 | Megalon | :C |
| 11:07.49 | sb | why Diao? |
| 11:07.52 | Grum | holy priests are the suck in anything but raid-healing |
| 11:07.55 | dreamss2 | my shamans get locked in arenas very easly |
| 11:07.57 | dreamss2 | sucks ass |
| 11:07.58 | Diao | never seen a geared up holy priest? |
| 11:08.00 | dreamss2 | shaman" |
| 11:08.07 | Diao | 23/38 or 24/37 spec |
| 11:08.15 | Diao | with ~550 resil, 10k+ hps |
| 11:08.18 | Grum | Diao: that is not holy - that is disciple :) |
| 11:08.20 | Diao | 4k armor |
| 11:08.23 | sb | mh |
| 11:08.24 | Diao | eh holy/disc |
| 11:08.27 | Diao | more holy than disc ;) |
| 11:08.28 | abbat_w | sb =) |
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| 11:08.30 | Grum | true holy have at least 40 pts in holy |
| 11:08.37 | Diao | it's arena spec |
| 11:08.39 | Diao | lol |
| 11:08.40 | abbat_w | sb, priest at arena it's not only healer |
| 11:08.44 | Grum | pvp-smiters yeah :) |
| 11:08.46 | sb | i/m at 10-11k HP but only 330 resilience, so... |
| 11:08.47 | abbat_w | it's more dispeller then healer |
| 11:08.48 | sb | abbat_w: i know :o |
| 11:08.50 | Diao | basically unkillable |
| 11:08.57 | Grum | lol |
| 11:08.58 | Diao | due to blessed recovery/blessed resilience |
| 11:09.06 | Diao | i always crit my hamstring on them |
| 11:09.12 | Grum | lets check the talents :p |
| 11:09.13 | Diao | that's +600 hp for them and immune to crit for 6 sec |
| 11:09.15 | Fisker- | http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=7oiuot.3.20 <-what, lol |
| 11:09.23 | dreamss2 | purge? |
| 11:09.29 | Diao | it's not a magic ability |
| 11:09.29 | abbat_w | Diao, team with mage don't need to kill priest first. Mage can control healer long time with sheep, cs |
| 11:09.29 | Diao | lol |
| 11:09.36 | sb | abbat_w: thats why we have shaman + priest there :p |
| 11:09.46 | abbat_w | dreamss2, shaman have analog of 'mass dispel'? :) |
| 11:09.58 | dreamss2 | just purge |
| 11:10.00 | Diao | blessed resilience just increases your resilience to infinite value afaik |
| 11:10.01 | dreamss2 | shich is dispell |
| 11:10.05 | Diao | so you can't crit them |
| 11:10.06 | sb | well... pve specced, so... *sigh* :) but doesnt matter, its good enough to gather some points ;p |
| 11:10.08 | abbat_w | sb, priest with shaman in party can do mana burn under Bloodlust |
| 11:10.14 | sb | i know :p |
| 11:10.15 | abbat_w | It's fucking insane |
| 11:10.22 | Diao | and blessed recovery is physical type |
| 11:10.25 | Diao | so can't be dispelled |
| 11:10.48 | abbat_w | Diao, don't need to kill priest first. Second/third, before warriors ;) |
| 11:10.58 | Diao | lol |
| 11:11.02 | Diao | then they stand there |
| 11:11.04 | Diao | spamming heals on everyone |
| 11:11.05 | Diao | and dispel |
| 11:11.06 | sb | right, warri first |
| 11:11.12 | sb | hm, fear, sheep, cyclone, whatever |
| 11:11.15 | Diao | well if there's a holy priest |
| 11:11.16 | abbat_w | You can stay alive with you blessed resilience, but alone ;) |
| 11:11.18 | Diao | we usually try to CC |
| 11:11.21 | Diao | and go for other healer |
| 11:11.22 | Diao | if they have one |
| 11:11.40 | sb | abbat_w: yup, same with pallys :o |
| 11:11.43 | Diao | oh |
| 11:11.48 | abbat_w | yep |
| 11:11.49 | Diao | that reminds me of this other pally i fought in regular bgsthe other day |
| 11:11.55 | Diao | all bt/s2 arena gear |
| 11:11.58 | Diao | 18.5k armor |
| 11:12.06 | Diao | he fully blocked my MS |
| 11:12.06 | abbat_w | and? |
| 11:12.13 | Diao | when it crit only hit him for 750 with a deep thudner |
| 11:12.14 | Diao | :( |
| 11:12.14 | abbat_w | pff... |
| 11:12.16 | sb | so get some casters and nuke him :p |
| 11:12.23 | Grum | either way, a pve priest will do crap in pvp :) |
| 11:12.27 | Diao | also 400 resilience lol |
| 11:12.31 | sb | Grum: yup :( |
| 11:12.33 | Diao | only way to drop him would be dots pretty much |
| 11:12.38 | Diao | but he can heal through it >.> |
| 11:12.40 | abbat_w | My frostbolt hit 18.5k armour paladin same as green geared paladin ;) |
| 11:12.41 | sb | Grum: its not much fun... but its okay :o |
| 11:12.56 | Grum | i hate it unless i focus myself on being 100% support |
| 11:13.02 | Diao | 1.8k +healing too |
| 11:13.03 | Diao | or something |
| 11:13.06 | Diao | ridiculous lol |
| 11:13.07 | abbat_w | and? |
| 11:13.08 | Grum | aka: /follow, /dispell|/heal |
| 11:13.21 | abbat_w | Diao, paladin can't heal if got cs on heal ;) |
| 11:13.32 | abbat_w | And doesn't matter how many they have to +heal |
| 11:13.42 | Grum | +heal is overrated! =D |
| 11:13.46 | dreamss2 | at least pallies can bubble out of silence |
| 11:13.49 | sb | well - holypriest in arena only needs to stay alive until $some-dd from $othergroup is killed... thats my job there :p |
| 11:13.52 | dreamss2 | cs is what fucks them |
| 11:13.59 | Diao | lol |
| 11:14.07 | abbat_w | dreamss2, sure. Immediatly after bubble paladin got mass dispel |
| 11:14.07 | Diao | well CS fucks all healers |
| 11:14.07 | Diao | :P |
| 11:14.08 | dreamss2 | my shaman gets fucked by both |
| 11:14.18 | sylvanaar | cept druids |
| 11:14.21 | Grum | sb: so you stack up on STA gear and have fun? ;) |
| 11:14.36 | abbat_w | sta/resilience |
| 11:14.38 | sb | Grum: well no, some spelldmg, some heal - lot of sta + resilience :p |
| 11:14.39 | dreamss2 | fear, break fear, silenced after i come out of fear |
| 11:14.45 | abbat_w | sta w/o resilience just useless |
| 11:14.46 | sb | hots + flash heals sometimes + sw: death :p |
| 11:14.49 | dreamss2 | fellhunter cs |
| 11:14.52 | dreamss2 | fear |
| 11:15.03 | dreamss2 | dont even have time for tremor totem |
| 11:15.04 | dreamss2 | lol |
| 11:15.08 | Grum | funny but how do you get resilience gear? it's mostly pvp gear so you kinda start from the bottom once more ;) |
| 11:15.29 | abbat_w | pvp honor rewards is nice |
| 11:15.31 | dreamss2 | resilience was a kick ass idea |
| 11:15.38 | dreamss2 | kick ass gear thats pvp only |
| 11:15.39 | abbat_w | better gear for pvp |
| 11:15.43 | sb | Grum: uhm... we have our team since middle of S1 ;p |
| 11:15.51 | abbat_w | It's ok, dreamss2 |
| 11:15.51 | Diao | well |
| 11:15.51 | Grum | grin |
| 11:15.54 | Diao | you start by regulra pvp :P |
| 11:15.55 | Diao | in bgs |
| 11:15.57 | Grum | so you have loads of gear already ;) |
| 11:15.59 | sb | so its >300 resilience at the moment... |
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| 11:16.01 | sb | hmm yes :p |
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| 11:16.07 | Diao | 1 av weekend is easily enough to get all the basic hwl gears |
| 11:16.10 | abbat_w | Anyway, pve clickers from Hyjal can't wipe you geared in pvp gear ;) |
| 11:16.10 | dreamss2 | i pvped lvl 69 wsg before arenas came out |
| 11:16.12 | Diao | and veterans, cloak, etc |
| 11:16.13 | Grum | see, so a starting holy priest would get bored within seconds |
| 11:16.25 | sb | but i need ~30k honor to get those f$*# veteran boots + belt :/ |
| 11:16.33 | abbat_w | 30k honor? |
| 11:16.35 | abbat_w | pfff... |
| 11:16.36 | Diao | that's easily 1 afk av weekend |
| 11:16.37 | Iceroth | 1h av queue is that makes it difficult |
| 11:16.38 | Diao | lol |
| 11:16.40 | dreamss2 | i have the enhas and ele ones |
| 11:16.40 | abbat_w | 2 av days in av week |
| 11:16.44 | Diao | yep |
| 11:16.45 | dreamss2 | im getting healing one now |
| 11:16.46 | abbat_w | 30k is nothing |
| 11:16.46 | Grum | i hear people doing20k a day O.o |
| 11:16.47 | dreamss2 | lol |
| 11:16.49 | Grum | stupid rogues |
| 11:16.54 | sb | abbat_w: mh... av week is in some days, right/ :p |
| 11:16.56 | dreamss2 | i used to get 18k |
| 11:17.00 | Diao | yep |
| 11:17.03 | Diao | tomorrow it starts |
| 11:17.04 | dreamss2 | on wsg weekend |
| 11:17.04 | Diao | midnight PST |
| 11:17.08 | dreamss2 | 16 hour grind |
| 11:17.12 | Pkekyo | if I have two of the same unique-equipped gem |
| 11:17.13 | Pkekyo | will I have to delete the item/regem the socket in which I have the U-E gem to be able to socket the other one? |
| 11:17.13 | abbat_w | sb, yep. this weekend is av weekend |
| 11:17.15 | sb | well - i have some other things to do... (pve! :p) |
| 11:17.24 | Grum | dreamss2: as shaman? |
| 11:17.26 | sb | but trying to get some points then... :p |
| 11:17.33 | sb | well... and horde alterac... you know :p |
| 11:17.44 | dreamss2 | afk land |
| 11:17.46 | dreamss2 | lol |
| 11:17.47 | Grum | ah well indeed, still stuck on raiding 5 days a week orso |
| 11:17.51 | dreamss2 | yeah in grp grum |
| 11:17.54 | Grum | yay for no kara anymore! |
| 11:18.00 | Diao | never tried that |
| 11:18.02 | Diao | hmm |
| 11:18.03 | sb | yup, same here ;o |
| 11:18.16 | dreamss2 | im stuck in kz untill we can get 25 ppl |
| 11:18.17 | dreamss2 | lol |
| 11:18.25 | Grum | hehe how long does it take to clear? |
| 11:18.29 | abbat_w | sb, pve is time killer ;) |
| 11:18.37 | Grum | i think we're down to 3h30m orso :/ |
| 11:18.42 | sb | and since i got my wand from tidewalker - no more kara items for me :p |
| 11:18.43 | abbat_w | forget about pve ;) tonns of gear e.t.c |
| 11:18.47 | Grum | that kinda when it gets boring |
| 11:18.59 | dreamss2 | 2 days for our grp, our other grp did it in like 3 hrs but left the guild lol |
| 11:19.07 | Grum | sb: oooh i want to kill tidewalker so badly ;) |
| 11:19.13 | abbat_w | No 'true legendary' gear now. Where is analogue of Ashkandi? Where is analogue of Staff of Shadow Flame? :) |
| 11:19.16 | Grum | we nailed Hydross and Lurker last week |
| 11:19.29 | dreamss2 | skull of douch should be legendary |
| 11:19.34 | dreamss2 | and gorehowl |
| 11:19.36 | dreamss2 | imo |
| 11:19.45 | odt | gorehowl dropped yesterday |
| 11:19.47 | odt | :) |
| 11:19.48 | sb | abbat_w: well - but i play wow to have fun.. and pvping all the time isnt - its killing bosses with 24 crazy ppl :p |
| 11:19.48 | abbat_w | gorehowl? :) |
| 11:19.54 | abbat_w | From Karazhan? :) |
| 11:19.57 | dreamss2 | are u horde abbat? |
| 11:20.04 | abbat_w | Pff... It's like ubrs gear |
| 11:20.05 | Roartindon | abbat_w: Twin blades of azzinoth? |
| 11:20.08 | abbat_w | dreamss2, sure |
| 11:20.13 | Grum | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28773 Gorehowl is like IMBA |
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| 11:20.22 | dreamss2 | cause of the lore |
| 11:20.24 | dreamss2 | heh |
| 11:20.25 | abbat_w | twin blade yes, possible |
| 11:20.32 | abbat_w | Maybe sword from Archimonde |
| 11:20.34 | Grum | for anything that smacks with 2h or is a deep survival hunter :) |
| 11:20.34 | abbat_w | 2h |
| 11:20.49 | odt | i hope they do make the trash easier in kara when zul'aman ggts out |
| 11:20.50 | sb | well gorehowl... mh :o even my g/f has that thing - and she is resto spec shammy :/ |
| 11:20.53 | Grum | Sun-eater: "Forged in the heart of a dying star, this ethereal blade is feared across the cosmos." |
| 11:20.54 | abbat_w | Grum, try mace if you are warrior ;) |
| 11:20.57 | odt | so people can start really clearing kara in 1h like ubrs |
| 11:20.58 | Roartindon | abbat_w: It's the first loot that our guild members really drooled over possibly getting in the future since tbc came out |
| 11:21.01 | abbat_w | World Breaker or something else |
| 11:21.08 | Diao | eh |
| 11:21.12 | Diao | i wouldn't even bother going maces if you aren't bs |
| 11:21.14 | Diao | as warr |
| 11:21.15 | dreamss2 | bleh we only had one drop |
| 11:21.21 | Diao | the extra stun on DT/SH is amazing |
| 11:21.33 | Grum | we kinda need the shield of Gruul for our MT O.o |
| 11:21.33 | abbat_w | yep |
| 11:21.36 | dreamss2 | still, should be a leg weapon with quests and shit cause of the lore |
| 11:21.37 | Diao | pvewise i'd rather get sword or axe |
| 11:21.42 | Grum | it hasn't dropped for 3.5 months straight |
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| 11:22.15 | abbat_w | But i remember old time, bwl raiding and my SoSF :) |
| 11:22.32 | Roartindon | abbat_w: Actually, NEf's tear got me more excited than SoSF :) |
| 11:22.43 | Roartindon | abbat_w: and sadly, I still wear that (Nef's tear) at times |
| 11:22.50 | abbat_w | SoSF have unique design ;) |
| 11:22.59 | Diao | only mace i might even think about pve with is that one from BT |
| 11:23.00 | sb | well Roartindon, nef's tear is awesome!? :o |
| 11:23.00 | Diao | lol |
| 11:23.12 | sb | uber-trinket :/ |
| 11:23.21 | abbat_w | uber |
| 11:23.24 | Roartindon | sb: I still wear it for boss fights |
| 11:23.29 | abbat_w | but i never see it in drop ;) |
| 11:23.31 | xt | Roartindon: hello thar mate |
| 11:23.39 | abbat_w | damn'd Nef won't drop it for us |
| 11:23.47 | Roartindon | abbat_w: We had ~8 I think in total |
| 11:23.49 | xt | Roartindon: i love your addon, i had some questions for you, but I forgot |
| 11:23.54 | xt | :( |
| 11:23.56 | Roartindon | xt: Aloft, or Assessment? |
| 11:24.07 | Grum | there no item like Neltharion's Tear right? |
| 11:24.09 | xt | both! But assessment the most |
| 11:24.09 | sb | well Roartindon - he didnt drop a single weapon here :o |
| 11:24.19 | Grum | nothing which has +hit and +dmg on equip in a trinket |
| 11:24.36 | ramoz | yes there is |
| 11:24.36 | xt | Roartindon: oh yeah, did you ever think more about the actual combat windows, like real DPS |
| 11:24.38 | Roartindon | sb: Damn. :( We had 3 askh, ~8 neltharion's tears, 3 SoSF |
| 11:24.38 | ramoz | the trinket from |
| 11:24.39 | Hjalte | Grum, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=19379 |
| 11:24.46 | ramoz | illidan |
| 11:24.55 | abbat_w | Grum, nope. You can get equal dmg trinket but w/o 2% to hit |
| 11:25.02 | Roartindon | ramoz: Yeah, I want that, but it's still a long ways off for us :( |
| 11:25.21 | ramoz | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32483 |
| 11:25.22 | ramoz | yea |
| 11:25.24 | ramoz | althought |
| 11:25.27 | Roartindon | Grum: There's Tidewalker's trinket |
| 11:25.33 | Roartindon | Grum: With +damage activated, +hit and +crit |
| 11:25.38 | Grum | Serpent-Coil Braid |
| 11:25.44 | ramoz | tear of nefa is still the best caster trinket until that one |
| 11:25.48 | Grum | yeah just found that one - very good but mage only |
| 11:25.49 | Roartindon | Grum: But for most fights, Neltharion's is better I think |
| 11:25.54 | Grum | and Tidewalker is a BITCH :D |
| 11:26.06 | Grum | can you skip Tidewalker btw? |
| 11:26.10 | Roartindon | Grum: not too bad once you get him once, easier to repeat for us than leo or original hydross :) |
| 11:26.20 | Roartindon | xt: I'm still planning to do per-person combat time |
| 11:26.24 | Roartindon | xt: Just haven't got around to it |
| 11:26.42 | xt | Roartindon: Lovely. I'll be patient ) |
| 11:26.51 | Grum | Roartindon: hmm curious if we can just do Karathress first |
| 11:26.53 | Roartindon | xt: The death log stuff has been more immediately interesting/important for me |
| 11:26.57 | Grum | and if that is wise .. =D |
| 11:27.10 | xt | Roartindon: how about a way to accumulate the boss saved meteres |
| 11:27.12 | Roartindon | Grum: Apparently you can, but.. we didn't.. we did Tidewalker first |
| 11:27.20 | xt | Roartindon: so you can post stats on ALL the boss kills |
| 11:27.45 | xt | useful to figure out what gear to use etc |
| 11:27.55 | Grum | Roartindon: well we kinda killed the first 2 last week but had some tries on Tidewalker without good teams (no pallies for example O.o) |
| 11:28.06 | sb | you dont need pallys there :p |
| 11:28.24 | xt | Raiding without paladins is immensely hard either way |
| 11:28.26 | ramoz | You need spriests |
| 11:28.27 | xt | it's just painful |
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| 11:28.41 | sb | hmm yes, its not much fun w/o salvation for healers... |
| 11:28.45 | sb | but its possible :p |
| 11:28.48 | Grum | sb: explain you dont need pallies? |
| 11:29.02 | xt | what you need is 1/2 tanks and frost trap :D |
| 11:29.02 | Grum | we kinda have those take full aggro of the murlocks and then frostnova+seed+aoe em to pieces |
| 11:29.10 | sb | ah hm |
| 11:30.12 | Grum | but what would be easier then? |
| 11:30.18 | sb | we have 1 fearl tanking tidewalker, 3+ warriors gathering all those adds (TC, DR, ...) - and AOE go after some seconds |
| 11:30.40 | sb | we tried some stuff with nova and coordinated AE blahblah, nothing worked |
| 11:30.56 | Grum | yeah coordinated ends up not working well indeed :) |
| 11:31.05 | Grum | but do you stack everyone ? |
| 11:31.12 | xt | Grum sb do you guys you solarian? |
| 11:31.19 | sb | xt: no :o |
| 11:31.19 | Roartindon | I took some interesting stats of our last tidewalker kill |
| 11:31.25 | Roartindon | Our MT had 71% melee avoidance vs Tidewalker |
| 11:31.28 | xt | after you've been there it's easier to coordinate AoE |
| 11:31.31 | Roartindon | vs. our previous feral tank that had just over 50% |
| 11:31.33 | Grum | not yet, we just killed Hydross and Lurker last cycle for the first time |
| 11:31.38 | sb | leotheras next... but need some more resistance gear for our lock |
| 11:31.48 | xt | resistance gear is super easy |
| 11:31.58 | xt | just get green gear with Fire Protection |
| 11:32.02 | Grum | how much resistance gear do you need for Solarian? |
| 11:32.14 | xt | need 2 tanks with full arcane, rest nothing |
| 11:32.18 | Grum | i read the whole raid needs ~150 arcane |
| 11:32.18 | Roartindon | Grum: For Tidewalker, we use two warriors gathering adds, and a pally to hold them |
| 11:32.18 | xt | but they are changing it |
| 11:32.22 | sb | yes, arcane resistance for solarian is pretty easy |
| 11:32.33 | sb | but fire resistance for leotheras isnt that easy :p |
| 11:32.34 | Grum | Roartindon: tankadin or just a healadin? |
| 11:32.45 | Roartindon | Grum: healadin, but with some stam gear |
| 11:32.56 | xt | sb: it is, i'm the warlock tank, and I got it in like 2 days |
| 11:33.02 | xt | no heroic badge pieces even |
| 11:33.04 | Grum | and how do you do the positioning? |
| 11:33.05 | sb | oh hm |
| 11:33.15 | sb | xt: 300, right? |
| 11:33.16 | xt | and I have 422 fire res fully buffed, lol |
| 11:33.22 | Roartindon | Grum: We tank him at the top of the ramp facing 'right' as you run in |
| 11:33.32 | sb | xt: you got green stuff? |
| 11:33.36 | xt | yeah, lots |
| 11:33.39 | sb | mhhh |
| 11:33.43 | Grum | raid behind him orso? |
| 11:33.48 | xt | some blue craftable stuff too sb |
| 11:33.55 | Roartindon | Grum: Raid should always be behind him, or they get that watery breath thing |
| 11:34.25 | Grum | i've seen some movies where he was tanked between the 2 pilars and they basicly stacked *everything* up and killed it where Morogrim was standing |
| 11:34.50 | Roartindon | Grum: If you can, the critical things we found were: making sure people had appropriate gear on. With 9k health absolute minimum it makes it a lot easier |
| 11:34.51 | Grum | i also found it quite funny that i got killed by murlocks while being water-tombed O.o |
| 11:35.07 | ramoz | Grum: we do that |
| 11:35.10 | JoshBork1 | Antiarc, Antiarc|Work: Threat bug: http://ace.pastey.net/71715 |
| 11:35.17 | Roartindon | Grum: Giving mages a shadow priest helps heaps |
| 11:35.18 | JoshBork1 | happened when I summoned my pet in combat |
| 11:35.21 | Grum | Roartindon: mm also the squishy priest healers? or especially those? =D |
| 11:35.32 | Grum | Roartindon: shadowpriest+totem is what we usually do |
| 11:35.33 | Roartindon | Grum: And if you have only two pally blessings, then kings/salv for aoe + healers |
| 11:35.36 | Grum | and massive hots on the locks |
| 11:36.02 | ramoz | we have warrior tanks stand where murlocs spawn, have them build some aggro, move em behind morogrim and aoe them with seed and the mageshit |
| 11:36.06 | Roartindon | Grum: Squishy priest healers haven't been too problematic.. it seems to be our druids that like to attract the murlocs when we do have problems :) |
| 11:36.30 | Grum | ramoz: i assume within healing range? |
| 11:36.42 | ramoz | yes |
| 11:36.47 | ramoz | everyone stands right behind morogrim |
| 11:36.48 | Roartindon | Grum: We position our pally right behind tidewalker too |
| 11:36.56 | ramoz | except two healers who heal the tombed people |
| 11:36.57 | Grum | Roartindon: so the aoe will also hit him right? |
| 11:36.57 | Roartindon | so that the aoe hits the murlocs + tidewalker |
| 11:37.00 | JoshBork1 | Cryect: i can reproduce the bug in Recount |
| 11:37.09 | Grum | ramoz: lol how many healers do you take? O.o |
| 11:37.16 | ramoz | dunno |
| 11:37.17 | ramoz | not that many |
| 11:37.22 | Grum | 7-8? |
| 11:37.23 | ramoz | we never pull aggro of the tanks |
| 11:37.24 | Roartindon | Grum: We've done it with as few as 6, 7-8 makes it easier tho |
| 11:37.30 | ramoz | yeah, think so |
| 11:37.36 | xt | Roartindon: would it be possible to accumulate the boss saved meters, so you can view meters for all the boss kills you have saved ? |
| 11:37.45 | Grum | we normally take 7 anywhere atm |
| 11:37.51 | ramoz | we're never more than 8 |
| 11:37.54 | ramoz | usual 7, yes |
| 11:37.55 | Grum | or 6 on 'known stuff' |
| 11:37.57 | Roartindon | xt: Yeah, won't be hard to add support for that |
| 11:38.02 | xt | I'd love that |
| 11:38.07 | Grum | VoidReaver, Mag, Gruul etc |
| 11:38.12 | xt | So I could post "Today's RAID boss kills stats" |
| 11:38.50 | Grum | we also have a problem with the warrior tanking morogrim |
| 11:38.51 | xt | Trash clearing meters isnt that interesting |
| 11:38.59 | dreamss2 | wont that make loading times in wow lomg? |
| 11:39.03 | Grum | with his fasts hits he starts dishing out crushings rather soon |
| 11:39.03 | dreamss2 | long |
| 11:39.17 | Grum | dreamss2: only login-times are affected afaik |
| 11:39.30 | dreamss2 | and quiting |
| 11:39.40 | Roartindon | I did a 2-healer kara run yesterday |
| 11:39.42 | Roartindon | that was intense |
| 11:39.49 | Grum | what kind of healers? |
| 11:39.52 | Roartindon | Pally + druid |
| 11:39.57 | Roartindon | covers all debuffs |
| 11:39.59 | Grum | that is intense indeed hehe |
| 11:40.05 | Roartindon | I was playing the pally |
| 11:40.10 | Roartindon | Not having hots is a pain in some fights |
| 11:40.15 | Grum | i've done it with 2x priest and 1xpriest+pally |
| 11:40.31 | Grum | especially nightbane is a challenge with 2xpriest :) |
| 11:40.57 | dreamss2 | unless they alliance |
| 11:41.07 | Grum | ? |
| 11:41.24 | dreamss2 | dwarf breaking fear? |
| 11:41.26 | Roartindon | We haven't had any problems with our tank breaking fears |
| 11:41.30 | Grum | 2 human priests ;) |
| 11:41.32 | Roartindon | even with aus patency |
| 11:41.47 | Roartindon | latency* |
| 11:42.13 | Grum | i think in the last 3 months we just had 1 fear touch the tank and she got it off after the first step |
| 11:42.37 | Grum | was fun when we were learning the fight though ;D |
| 11:42.58 | Grum | that thing running all over, tailswiping, cleaving .. rawr |
| 11:43.13 | dreamss2 | raid getting feared tru shit and then cleaved is awesome tho |
| 11:43.15 | Iceroth | the breath is my personal favourite though |
| 11:43.46 | Grum | or better- having 1 patches of charred earth @ 40 and 30 yrds |
| 11:43.57 | Grum | and then ending up @ 41yds and having to run back while healing =D |
| 11:43.58 | dreamss2 | lol |
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| 11:44.31 | Grum | i ended up with <300hp that time .. not so much fun O.o |
| 11:44.55 | Grum | at least PW:S, PoM, Renew are insta-casts :D |
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| 11:51.59 | loonacy | I've been trying to get a guildmate to start using PoM... he keeps saying it seems like it's useless. |
| 11:52.32 | ramoz | Presence of Mind?! |
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| 11:52.44 | ramoz | Oh, Prayer of Mending perhaps |
| 11:53.08 | loonacy | Prayer of Mending, yeah. |
| 11:53.52 | Hjalte | Prayer of Mending doesn't show up on healing meters = smaller epeen. |
| 11:54.23 | loonacy | Bah. |
| 11:54.36 | loonacy | I love watching that little spark bouncing around. |
| 11:54.49 | Codayus | PoM is still awesome. |
| 11:54.53 | Codayus | Although the cooldown nerf sucked. |
| 11:55.27 | loonacy | Even if you cast it and it bounces onto someone who doesn't get hit, that's still > 1000 health for around 300 mana. |
| 11:55.40 | Codayus | Okay, so it was just silly OP without a cooldown...but Chain Heal doesn't have a cooldown. Grrr. /hate |
| 11:56.28 | Codayus | Priests deserve an overpowered heal too. |
| 11:56.41 | Pheredhel | agree |
| 11:57.00 | Pheredhel | give pom 100% +heal per hop ;) |
| 11:57.10 | Codayus | Just remove the cooldown and we're fine. |
| 11:57.23 | loonacy | If PoM didn't have a cooldown I'd just sit there and spam it. |
| 11:57.26 | Codayus | Yes. |
| 11:57.40 | Pheredhel | they won't do it, ...PVP *grrr* |
| 11:57.43 | Codayus | When it didn't have a cooldown...I just sat there and spammed it. Well, ran around in circles going "yay instacast!" |
| 11:58.32 | loonacy | Make it so it heals twice before bouncing. |
| 11:58.44 | loonacy | I'd love that. |
| 11:59.29 | Chompers | i'm leveling a mage, it's not a bad class at all |
| 11:59.30 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=305721440&postId=3054943244&sid=1#12 |
| 11:59.47 | Codayus | It's frustrating; PoM is really the only "cool" thing healing priests gained in the expansion. |
| 11:59.51 | Chompers | the firebolt/frostbolt attacks seem well spaced out |
| 11:59.54 | Codayus | Druids got lifebloom... :-/ |
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| 12:01.52 | sb | warg |
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| 12:03.22 | sb | is parserlib broken? |
| 12:03.36 | sb | doesnt show mana gains anymore |
| 12:04.10 | cncfanatics | meh, next expansion already announced lol |
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| 12:04.29 | ramoz | wut happend to oTweak? |
| 12:04.57 | cncfanatics | Chompers, its fireball |
| 12:05.00 | cncfanatics | not bolt ^^ |
| 12:05.06 | cncfanatics | firebolts come from an imp |
| 12:07.18 | Josh_Borke | ramoz: haste took all his mods off of ace svn |
| 12:07.59 | ramoz | uhm, why? |
| 12:08.03 | ramoz | and where does he hide them now? |
| 12:08.18 | mitch0 | hm. I'll take my mods off the ace svn too! it's the new hip thing! |
| 12:08.32 | weab | nothing new about it |
| 12:08.43 | Josh_Borke | it's been that way for quite a while. you'll have to ask him ramoz |
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| 12:08.53 | ramoz | i'd rather not i think |
| 12:09.11 | ramoz | you know if he publishes them elsewere? |
| 12:09.14 | pb_ee1 | Codayus, the most frustrating thing about PoM is that it isn't well recorded by SW Stats/Recount/Violation/etc. |
| 12:09.31 | Josh_Borke | he publishes all his released mods to wowi |
| 12:09.39 | ramoz | ok, thanks Josh |
| 12:09.54 | Necrathex | PoM threat goes to the one being healed, right? |
| 12:10.02 | Josh_Borke | Necrathex: correct |
| 12:10.27 | Necrathex | so that person also receives the healing in any damage meter addon i suppose |
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| 12:10.46 | cncfanatics | ofc |
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| 12:10.54 | pb_ee1 | yup |
| 12:11.05 | pb_ee1 | pom is at least 10% of a priest healing |
| 12:11.07 | Necrathex | wasn't there a similar mechanic with lifebloom? |
| 12:11.14 | pb_ee1 | and it isn't counted in his healing... :'( |
| 12:11.25 | loonacy | pb_ee1: Only if it's a priest who actually uses PoM. |
| 12:11.32 | cncfanatics | Necrathex, the lifebloom HoT is counted to the druid |
| 12:11.42 | cncfanatics | the final heal to the one being healed |
| 12:11.43 | pb_ee1 | sure, but not using PoM is bad |
| 12:11.47 | Necrathex | cncfanatics: ah :) |
| 12:12.02 | alext | i think in the combatlog says the persons name relating to the lifebloom |
| 12:12.04 | weab | it is? |
| 12:12.25 | alext | for pom, like if its casted at a tank and a mage has the lowest health, looks like the tank healed the mage |
| 12:12.41 | weab | i didn't like PoM when i played my priest. |
| 12:12.46 | weab | too unpredictable |
| 12:13.12 | weab | would cast it all the time and then the person would either get healed to full by someone else or they'd stop taking dmg or it'd jump to someone stupid |
| 12:13.21 | pb_ee1 | alext: you're wrong |
| 12:13.23 | weab | waste of mana |
| 12:13.53 | alext | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:13.55 | loonacy | 1000+ health for about 300 mana instant cast is not a waste of mana. |
| 12:13.57 | alext | dont play a priest myself |
| 12:13.59 | pb_ee1 | PoM healing is granted to the person who healed him/herself |
| 12:14.14 | weab | it's a waste of 300 mana if that person doesn't get hit |
| 12:14.19 | weab | or it heals 1 person and doesn't jump again |
| 12:14.20 | alext | we got a priest that spams pom on our tank, tank ends up #3 or #4 in healing |
| 12:14.32 | weab | it is NOT a gauranteed 1000+ hp healed |
| 12:14.36 | loonacy | weab: 1000+ health is if it only heals one person. |
| 12:14.41 | pb_ee1 | well weab, it's nearly a flash heal for 1/2 mana, so if you cast it on a tank you've got 100% that it procs |
| 12:14.51 | Josh_Borke | weab: i found PoM to be fairly predictable, you just have to know how it works |
| 12:15.01 | pb_ee1 | Josh_Borke: agree |
| 12:15.02 | weab | did they change how it bounces or something? |
| 12:15.06 | loonacy | If it bounces to another person who takes damage, that's 2000+ health for 300 |
| 12:15.08 | weab | i haven't played my priest in a couple months. |
| 12:15.13 | Josh_Borke | it bounces to the person with the least amount of health within 20 yards |
| 12:15.45 | pb_ee1 | alext: #3 or #4? :p |
| 12:16.04 | pb_ee1 | behind the paladins or the shamans ? |
| 12:17.00 | [dRaCo] | PoM is totally great at Netherspite. |
| 12:17.06 | loonacy | alext: In my experience, if the priest casts PoM on tank, tank takes damage and PoM heals tank, damage meters show tank healed himself. |
| 12:17.22 | pb_ee1 | loonacy: exactly |
| 12:17.36 | Necrathex | and the good thing is, the tank gets the threat from the heal too |
| 12:17.47 | pb_ee1 | true again |
| 12:18.05 | loonacy | Necrathex: Which is nice if the priest casts before a pull, instant aggro from the heal. |
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| 12:18.12 | Herio | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/chickenscratchboy/sigprot.png |
| 12:18.17 | Necrathex | yea |
| 12:18.19 | Herio | what do you guys think of my new sig? |
| 12:18.46 | [dRaCo] | too big |
| 12:18.49 | Necrathex | sometimes in a 5manner, i get the 2nd jump of the PoM, just cast SW:D on the mob and send it back :P |
| 12:19.06 | pb_ee1 | SW does work for PoM? |
| 12:19.06 | alext | yah I see that too loonacy, but I have seen pom jump from the warrior it was cast on and heal a mage with low health, for example then it shows the warrior healing the mage |
| 12:19.09 | alext | at least in the reports |
| 12:19.11 | alext | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.12 | weab | Herio: you want an honest answer or a nice answer? |
| 12:19.30 | ramoz | Josh_Borke: what other mods did haste make? |
| 12:20.16 | loonacy | alext: I've never seen that, but it could be different in different meters... I've only ever really paid attention to Assessment. |
| 12:20.32 | ramoz | looks like hes take down his website |
| 12:20.36 | alext | yah i figured just a difference between meters |
| 12:20.53 | Herio | weab: doesn't sound too good, lay it on me |
| 12:21.07 | loonacy | In any case, I don't think any meter gets PoM right. |
| 12:21.25 | cncfanatics | ~framexml |
| 12:21.26 | purl | get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p or view it online at http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 12:21.31 | weab | the background is horrible. too busy, the icons clash |
| 12:21.34 | weab | painful on the eyes |
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| 12:21.50 | Herio | hmm |
| 12:21.57 | weab | especially if you try to read the words |
| 12:21.58 | Herio | I'll probably adjust the brightness, then |
| 12:22.00 | weab | agony |
| 12:22.12 | Herio | contrast |
| 12:22.12 | loonacy | Herio: I agree with weab. Try not tiling the icon, just make a gradiant or something and have the icon once in the bottom left. |
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| 12:22.31 | Pkekyo | ckknight: present and accounted for? |
| 12:22.32 | Herio | the condom + blessing of protection background is too temping to wimp out on |
| 12:22.51 | weab | some brightness/contrast adjustment might work. |
| 12:23.16 | Herio | or maybe make it grayscale... hmmm |
| 12:24.29 | loonacy | At the very least, you need more definition on the text... it kind of blends in with the background. |
| 12:24.39 | weab | the joke is good though, now that you point it out. i was obviously only looking at it from an artistically critical viewpoint ;p |
| 12:25.16 | Herio | yeah, I tried to do make it more readable with the shadowtext and the purple color, but it wasn't enough |
| 12:25.58 | Herio | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/chickenscratchboy/sigprot2.png |
| 12:26.05 | Herio | now? |
| 12:26.48 | Herio | kind of makes him jump out now that the background is less distacting |
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| 12:27.43 | weab | better. words at the top could still be more prominent/clear |
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| 12:48.09 | Josh_Borke | ramoz: use his googlecode repo |
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| 12:51.29 | ramoz | only one addon |
| 12:51.31 | ramoz | there |
| 12:51.37 | haste | D: |
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| 12:51.50 | Josh_Borke | well, blame haste |
| 12:51.55 | ramoz | talking about the sun! |
| 12:52.21 | haste | not sure what you're looking for but http://wow-haste.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ |
| 12:53.09 | ramoz | i was just looking for a updated version of oTweak (if there is one) |
| 12:53.10 | Josh_Borke | i see no otweaks |
| 12:53.22 | haste | there's none yet |
| 12:53.28 | Sirow | what otweak? |
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| 12:54.22 | ramoz | you can tab to targets more than 30 yards away from you with otweak |
| 12:54.24 | ramoz | or something |
| 12:54.25 | haste | it was an addon that let you change some of the CVars in the game |
| 12:54.36 | Gngsk | was? |
| 12:54.46 | haste | it was, because I never released a new version :p |
| 12:54.58 | haste | you can probably still find the old one on files.wowace.com |
| 12:55.07 | Gngsk | yeah, I still use it |
| 12:55.17 | ramoz | dunno if it works |
| 12:55.26 | ramoz | guess it does then |
| 12:55.57 | Josh_Borke | you mean there was one on files.wowace.com and you didn't try it? |
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| 12:56.10 | haste | it's pretty hidden Josh_Borke :p |
| 12:56.16 | haste | http://files.wowace.com/oTweaks/ |
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| 12:56.45 | ramoz | it hasnt been updated since |
| 12:56.45 | ramoz | dunno |
| 12:56.45 | ramoz | in december someone updated the .toc to 20000 |
| 12:56.52 | Josh_Borke | not all addons need to be updated for every toc revision |
| 12:56.55 | haste | it's from january based on the timestamp of the file |
| 12:57.57 | ramoz | changelog-r19118.txt 23rd of december, 2006 |
| 12:58.46 | haste | look at the changelog, blame nymbia if it doesn't work |
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| 12:59.15 | ramoz | i will |
| 12:59.20 | haste | I have a rather unfinished version lurking in my addons folder, can see if I can finish it tonight or something |
| 12:59.36 | Josh_Borke | liar, you never do work |
| 12:59.57 | haste | no, I pay some guy named otravi to do it for me |
| 13:00.05 | Josh_Borke | he sucks at writing addons |
| 13:00.26 | haste | yep, but at least I get some e-peen for it! |
| 13:00.35 | ramoz | his .toc files are made uselessness atleast |
| 13:01.02 | haste | I should start writing addons in the toc |
| 13:02.19 | Josh_Borke | yea |
| 13:02.23 | Josh_Borke | don't even use a lua file |
| 13:03.13 | pb_ee1 | oTweaks sounds like oTwix |
| 13:03.23 | haste | mmmmm. twix |
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| 13:06.17 | Fisker- | LOLI HAETS BEAR |
| 13:06.22 | Fisker- | :( |
| 13:06.25 | pb_ee1 | rofl |
| 13:06.39 | pb_ee1 | http://fisker.dictionnary.com/ |
| 13:07.32 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:10.56 | Fisker- | btw |Pixel| |
| 13:11.03 | Fisker- | have you fired your mods and cm's? |
| 13:12.06 | |Pixel| | why ? |
| 13:12.25 | Fisker- | they're nowhere to be seen :P |
| 13:12.37 | |Pixel| | haha |
| 13:12.45 | Fisker- | and on the us forums people are getting permabanhammered for posting about the expansion |
| 13:12.47 | Fisker- | here: nothing |
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| 13:14.41 | cncfanatics | lol |
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| 13:14.47 | cncfanatics | permabanned for posting about a well known fact ? |
| 13:14.49 | cncfanatics | cewlll |
| 13:14.52 | cncfanatics | how moronic |
| 13:14.58 | cncfanatics | doesnt surprise me for one bit :p |
| 13:16.10 | Fisker- | it's for posting about unreleased content |
| 13:16.16 | Fisker- | doesn't matter if it's a fact or not |
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| 13:18.04 | abbat_w | lol |
| 13:18.14 | abbat_w | you guys don't know about oTweaks? |
| 13:18.15 | abbat_w | heh |
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| 13:22.11 | Hjalte | Does anyone know how much threat a priest gets at the other mobs in an eg 4 mob pull, where the priest mcs one of the mobs and let the others kill it? |
| 13:23.43 | Gngsk | I'd imagine the same as someone who pulled a mob through prox |
| 13:27.07 | loonacy | Essentially 0, if your MC'ed mob isn't attacking. |
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| 13:28.17 | vhaarr | The threat generated by the MC'ed mob is not transferred to the priest anyway. |
| 13:28.53 | kenlyric | the MC threat is more than enough. it's infinite, I think :) |
| 13:29.27 | Killmore7 | dont take chance, ask your tank to taunt de mob you mc'ed |
| 13:29.45 | loonacy | He said he's letting the other mobs kill the mob he MC'ed. |
| 13:30.32 | vhaarr | then he'll have 0 threat on them when his mob is dead |
| 13:30.36 | Killmore7 | no xp, loot by doing that :( |
| 13:30.42 | vhaarr | sure there is |
| 13:30.48 | vhaarr | they fixed that some patches ago |
| 13:30.58 | Killmore7 | oh |
| 13:31.02 | Josh_Borke | vhaarr: are you positive? |
| 13:31.08 | vhaarr | Josh_Borke: yeah |
| 13:31.21 | vhaarr | of course, you're the only one on the threat list, so you'll get aggro, but it's still 0 |
| 13:31.23 | Josh_Borke | hm, must have been 1 or 2 patches ago because i still had problems with mobs dieing while MC'd |
| 13:31.34 | Josh_Borke | 4 months ago |
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| 13:33.58 | kenlyric | I confess I haven't tried in the past couple months, so it must be a recent change. |
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| 13:35.27 | loonacy | dewdropLines["test"] = {text = "Test", func=TestAddon.TestFunc, arg1 = "Testing"} <-- That works fine, except TestFunc(arg1) reports that arg1 is nil. What am I doing wrong? |
| 13:39.49 | loonacy | Hmm... I tried making arg1, arg2, arg3, and arg4... now 2, 3, and 4 are passing correctly but 1 is still nil. |
| 13:40.19 | weab | call it something other than argx |
| 13:40.44 | vhaarr | Josh_Borke: hm, actually, I must've been dreaming, I was certain they fixed it, but it seems they didn't |
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| 13:40.55 | loonacy | weab: Tried that, still nada. |
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| 13:42.25 | Gamefaq | hi |
| 13:42.49 | weab | i hope you're not going to frequently ask questions |
| 13:42.57 | CIA-22 | 03jayhawk * r45577 10FuBar_SkillsPlusFu/SkillsPlusFu.lua: |
| 13:42.57 | CIA-22 | FuBar_SkillsPlusFu: |
| 13:42.57 | CIA-22 | - changed sphere cooldown |
| 13:44.16 | weab | why did wowwiki have to add this annoying news on the right. the api link is no longer in its familiar place |
| 13:45.28 | kenlyric | it's wowwiki, just remove it. |
| 13:45.31 | loonacy | Heh, for me it's Ctrl-L, type "wow", press down, hit enter... I'm at the API. |
| 13:45.36 | kenlyric | revert: annoying |
| 13:46.06 | kenlyric | the featured article is BP? |
| 13:46.19 | weab | kenlyric: it's the main page. i'm not allowed to edit it. |
| 13:47.16 | Herio | ew |
| 13:47.24 | Herio | why do they keep changing the main page?! |
| 13:47.37 | Herio | (wowwiki) |
| 13:48.24 | weab | before i go to all this effort of parsing the api into a wow lua wordfile for uedit, does anyone happen to know if.. you know, someone less lazy than I am already did it |
| 13:48.35 | kenlyric | why wouldn't the change it? |
| 13:48.42 | kenlyric | *they |
| 13:49.04 | weab | kenlyric: it's a wiki, you don't change wikis! |
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| 13:51.10 | Gngsk | weab, go to http://www.wowwiki.com/Main_Page/MeoWWiki |
| 13:51.12 | dodgizzla | Okay, here's a stupid idea I have floating in my head for some hours now. Violation shows all kinds off stuff, e.g. damage, healing and even threat. Would it be feasible to make a module, that shows Cooldowns? It could capture messages from CTRA/oRA and other addons or even the combat log and show them e.g. as "Name - Spell - duration" or so |
| 13:51.34 | loonacy | weab: I have an ultraedit wordfile for WoW LUA, can't remember where I got it though. |
| 13:51.54 | weab | i have an old one |
| 13:52.03 | weab | like from november 2005. |
| 13:52.32 | weab | obviously it's a tiny bit of date. |
| 13:52.35 | Grum | google on ultraedit wow lua? :) |
| 13:52.58 | weab | already did |
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| 13:55.55 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=305701548&sid=1 <-i lol'd |
| 13:56.48 | Fisker- | "I can make better oranges in 3dmax!1" |
| 13:57.13 | Fisker- | corrupt my lol |
| 13:57.40 | Fisker- | :O |Pixel| |
| 13:57.47 | Fisker- | they locked a thread !11 |
| 13:57.57 | Fisker- | about the expansion! |
| 13:58.10 | |Pixel| | whaa |
| 13:58.26 | Gngsk | those oranges are petty unfullfilling |
| 13:58.34 | Gngsk | I ate like 12 and wasn't even close to behing full |
| 13:58.41 | Fisker- | they also deleted my best shoop ever |
| 13:58.56 | Fisker- | http://www.developersdevelopersdevelopers.dk/fixt.JPG <-i bet you, you can't make anything better than this |
| 13:59.52 | kenlyric | meh |
| 14:00.00 | kenlyric | that ruins the deep wisdom of the original. |
| 14:00.07 | Fisker- | i outmeh'd kenlyric i win! |
| 14:00.09 | kenlyric | and also obscurse 2+3=cats |
| 14:00.16 | Fisker- | BEST SHOOP EVER |
| 14:00.48 | Fisker- | and it was some guy spamming the forum with rickroll links because he wanted to get banned |
| 14:01.04 | Fisker- | then some guy posted the Normal Person + Audience = Total Fuckwad |
| 14:01.24 | Fisker- | but it was definitely Total Fuckwad + Audience = Total Fuckwad |
| 14:01.25 | Fisker- | :( |
| 14:01.30 | kenlyric | but it's bad math. |
| 14:01.35 | Fisker- | noo |
| 14:02.01 | kenlyric | it's inefficient math. |
| 14:04.31 | Amadeo | My PoM Pyro macro doesn't work :P |
| 14:04.37 | Amadeo | Someone make me a new one, with top trinket! |
| 14:05.01 | [dRaCo] | you broke it! |
| 14:05.06 | dodgizzla | you fix it! |
| 14:05.06 | Amadeo | lol |
| 14:05.13 | [dRaCo] | swap the statements around |
| 14:05.20 | Gngsk | Amadeo, wowwiki is your friend |
| 14:05.23 | Amadeo | I have to keep hitting it for Pyro to go off |
| 14:05.28 | Amadeo | Gngsk: No, he hates me :( |
| 14:05.44 | Gngsk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Useful_macros/Mage |
| 14:05.49 | Amadeo | :D |
| 14:05.52 | Amadeo | now he's my friend |
| 14:06.29 | Amadeo | which is top trinket, 13 or 14? |
| 14:06.40 | kenlyric | honestly. |
| 14:06.45 | Amadeo | yep |
| 14:06.45 | kenlyric | what do *you* think |
| 14:06.54 | Amadeo | depends what order it goes in |
| 14:07.18 | kenlyric | try some logic at it. If it started at the lower right corner, they wouldn't be numbers 13 and 14. |
| 14:07.43 | kenlyric | anyway, it's 13 |
| 14:08.02 | Amadeo | what if it started at the weapons? |
| 14:08.27 | loonacy | Can you cast Presence of Mind and Pyroblast in the same macro without using castsequence? |
| 14:08.39 | Amadeo | or counted across, 1 - 2, 3 - 4 |
| 14:08.40 | Amadeo | :) |
| 14:08.50 | loonacy | I was under the impression you couldn't cast two spells in one go. |
| 14:08.51 | Thorgard | Does PoM trigger the global cooldown? |
| 14:08.55 | kenlyric | human logic, I mean. |
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| 14:09.01 | Amadeo | then 13 would be the bottom one |
| 14:09.02 | kebinusan | http://www.shutupandpull.com/files/fixed_104.jpg |
| 14:09.08 | Thorgard | If not /cast PoM; /stopcasting; /cast Pyroblast |
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| 14:11.34 | jme | loonacy: use /stopcasting? |
| 14:12.20 | Amadeo | Mages are fun, you can go invis and run away pretty easy |
| 14:12.46 | jme | Amadeo: one of my 3v3 battles, two hid behind a pillar to stay outside of LoS so we waited for the stealthed one to pop.. |
| 14:13.05 | jme | Amadeo: turned out their mage had gone invis an made their way behind us, pom pyrod me, i'm dead in 3 seconds |
| 14:14.04 | jme | i had track hidden and flares out but they must've scaled the walls or something, heh |
| 14:14.05 | Iceroth | that's skill! |
| 14:14.24 | Gngsk | Amadeo, http://www.wowwiki.com/API_TYPE_InventorySlotID |
| 14:14.46 | Amadeo | lol |
| 14:14.48 | Amadeo | that works |
| 14:15.07 | Amadeo | wait |
| 14:15.15 | Amadeo | 0 is ammo? then what logic is kenlyric talking about? |
| 14:15.27 | Gngsk | data structures start with 0 |
| 14:15.42 | Gngsk | cuz computers are cool like that |
| 14:15.56 | kenlyric | I think he meant "why isn't head 0" |
| 14:16.05 | Gngsk | duh that's easy |
| 14:16.09 | Gngsk | because head is number 1!!! |
| 14:16.10 | weab | he thinks your logic should be because one is on top of the other it should be a lower numeral than the other |
| 14:16.11 | kenlyric | but yeah, looks like there's no kind of logic to those. |
| 14:16.21 | Iceroth | well it goes from chest to belt too, i don't see the logic there either :) |
| 14:16.33 | kenlyric | I stand HUMBLED and DEFEATED |
| 14:16.38 | Amadeo | lol |
| 14:17.16 | Amadeo | This Pyro macro works ;) |
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| 14:27.29 | mitch0 | pompyro mages are n00bs :) |
| 14:27.34 | ccKep | freaky.... |
| 14:27.47 | ccKep | I just was surfing the web (wow minimized) |
| 14:27.56 | ccKep | tabbed back to WoW and suddenly I'm in a raid full of 30 people |
| 14:28.00 | mitch0 | (sidenote: need to work on my iceblock clicking speed :) |
| 14:28.06 | ccKep | the raid composition from last tuesday TK |
| 14:28.22 | ccKep | guess the server must've rebuild the group Oo |
| 14:28.34 | Zeksie | anyone know which addon is causing the loading crash on PTR? long shot i know. :) |
| 14:28.39 | ccKep | (even though there was maintance restart in between) |
| 14:29.00 | mitch0 | zeksie: pitbull? :P |
| 14:29.06 | jme | i wish i could even log into the ptr :( |
| 14:29.14 | Zeksie | not present |
| 14:29.40 | Zeksie | prolly none. prolly more likely some memory issue |
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| 14:33.33 | Amadeo | mitch0: I'm a Mage noob for sure |
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| 14:34.27 | abbat_w | mitch0, i know how speed up ice block clicking ;) |
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| 14:35.15 | abbat_w | All you need - change 'AnyUp' to 'AnyDown' in you Bartender |
| 14:35.33 | abbat_w | And turn off 'click protection' in settings |
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| 14:36.20 | abbat_w | But lazy nevcairiel won't make option to switch between default anyup in bt3 to anydown ;) |
| 14:38.07 | Fisker- | nevcairiel doesn't even stand a chance with nymbia's lazyness |
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| 14:39.58 | jme | heh i logged int he PTR for like 2 minutes at work to check out my premade hunter |
| 14:40.12 | Josh_Borke | jealous of the gear? |
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| 14:40.14 | jme | T5, T6, glad |
| 14:40.14 | jme | yes |
| 14:40.27 | abbat_w | nymbia lazyness? :) |
| 14:40.29 | abbat_w | ahahah ;) |
| 14:40.38 | jme | but they only give you glad boot/belt/bracers... no T5/T6 equiv |
| 14:41.15 | jme | seeing 5000g in my bags made me drool.. that is my new goal to work towards |
| 14:41.56 | Iceroth | i have something like 3k and epic flight form.. useless |
| 14:42.09 | mitch0 | abbat_w: hm. AnyDwon sounds interesting. would be even better if I could set it per slot |
| 14:42.15 | Iceroth | nothing to spend it on |
| 14:42.16 | jme | i have like 200g and no epic flight training |
| 14:42.47 | mitch0 | abbat_w: I'm kinda used to AnyUp for my nukes (I hold them down and release when needed) |
| 14:42.53 | jme | Iceroth: pay your guild's repair bills? ;) |
| 14:42.53 | mitch0 | but I'll definitely try anydown |
| 14:42.54 | abbat_w | i have netherdrake ;) |
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| 14:43.15 | Iceroth | pff, they can do that themselves :p |
| 14:43.16 | abbat_w | mitch0, if you mage, you _should_ use anydown. For cs, block, etc |
| 14:43.23 | abbat_w | I think ;) |
| 14:43.30 | mitch0 | yeah, as I said, I must try it |
| 14:43.43 | mitch0 | will just have to get used to it, but I guess I'll have a lot less missed CS |
| 14:43.56 | abbat_w | Sometimes it's pain (like move pot from one slot to another :) |
| 14:43.59 | mitch0 | probly some interrupted frostbolts in the beginning though ;) |
| 14:44.13 | mitch0 | oh |
| 14:44.35 | mitch0 | well, it should be AnyDown only if locked |
| 14:44.44 | abbat_w | oh, yep |
| 14:44.57 | TF|FreeChiapas | hey guys |
| 14:45.21 | abbat_w | sometimes milliseconds mean all ;) |
| 14:45.22 | TF|FreeChiapas | anyone could help me with an error i have with wowaceupdater plz? |
| 14:45.45 | abbat_w | and time to press and release button mean 'you fail' if you opponent just press button ;) |
| 14:45.48 | mitch0 | actually, is it possible to set it for "up with click/ down with keyboard" ? |
| 14:45.55 | mitch0 | that would be teh awesomeness |
| 14:46.11 | abbat_w | mitch0, you click on buttons with mouse? |
| 14:46.15 | mitch0 | no |
| 14:46.18 | mitch0 | that's the point |
| 14:46.29 | abbat_w | ah ;) |
| 14:46.32 | mitch0 | I only click when I want to drag them, so click should stay AnyUP |
| 14:46.42 | mitch0 | but keyboard should be "Down" |
| 14:46.52 | mitch0 | is it possible to set it up like that? |
| 14:47.06 | abbat_w | My first action bar was discord. And by default, discrod have 'AnyDown' |
| 14:47.24 | mitch0 | my first action bar was blizzards... :{ |
| 14:47.29 | abbat_w | After i switch to BT3 i always fail with block/cs |
| 14:47.50 | abbat_w | ah, i use blizzard to, but my friend told me about discord |
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| 14:48.03 | mitch0 | I used Telo's stuff for a long time |
| 14:48.21 | jme | Josh_Borke: tauren hunter in T6 ... huge ;) |
| 14:48.38 | abbat_w | mitch0, and if you run pvp, try Antagonist |
| 14:48.39 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 14:48.56 | mitch0 | abbat_w: short description? |
| 14:49.02 | abbat_w | It's 'enemy casting bar' like necb, but much better |
| 14:49.24 | mitch0 | does it also do poly tracking and stuff? |
| 14:49.43 | abbat_w | No. They only track enemy casts/buffs/cooldowns |
| 14:50.00 | abbat_w | What about sheep, i plan to make an addon for arenas |
| 14:50.10 | Zeksie | anyone on the euro PTR doing nothing much. need a group to test this voice crap in x-perl. |
| 14:50.15 | mitch0 | I need to track my sheep breakage |
| 14:50.19 | abbat_w | And this addon should track diminishing return on sheep |
| 14:50.24 | mitch0 | (mostly for pve though) |
| 14:50.39 | abbat_w | mitch0, i know good solution for pve/pvp |
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| 14:50.46 | jme | Josh_Borke: spawn point is the ghostlands at the amani place, there's like mass carnage going on |
| 14:50.48 | mitch0 | in pvp sheep breaks in 3 secs anyway |
| 14:50.56 | abbat_w | Set target as focus. And look at focus debuf timer |
| 14:51.00 | Josh_Borke | yea, isn't that brilliant? |
| 14:51.00 | jme | Josh_Borke: thousands of corpses :O |
| 14:51.03 | jme | Josh_Borke: yeah. |
| 14:51.10 | abbat_w | mitch0, 12 sec - 6 sec - 3 sec - 15 sec DR |
| 14:51.51 | mitch0 | abbat: more like 1sec (dispel) 1sec (trinket) 1sec (random aoe hit) immune |
| 14:52.03 | abbat_w | yep |
| 14:52.16 | mitch0 | so I don't bother with poly cooldown in pvp :) |
| 14:52.16 | ccKep | http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=qffrghz55lrmi&s=2286-2445 << how sick is that? |
| 14:52.18 | abbat_w | And you should remember who have 15 sec immune to sheep ;) |
| 14:52.40 | mitch0 | just use it as a spammable CS with cast time :) |
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| 14:52.41 | abbat_w | It's not hard and i make this addon later |
| 14:52.53 | Amadeo | there's a Paladin doing 1300 dps |
| 14:52.53 | Amadeo | lol |
| 14:52.53 | abbat_w | mitch0, yeah. Even on druid ;) |
| 14:53.30 | mitch0 | so, are there any ace addons that track CC durations? |
| 14:53.43 | mitch0 | come to think of it, I guess Quartz does it |
| 14:53.55 | Zeksie | NECB |
| 14:54.00 | abbat_w | chronometer track it |
| 14:54.14 | mitch0 | zeksie: necb is not ace |
| 14:54.15 | Zeksie | oh.. ace.. nm |
| 14:54.15 | abbat_w | i don't like necb and won't use it |
| 14:54.21 | Zeksie | yeah. didn't read whole line |
| 14:54.24 | mitch0 | :) |
| 14:54.31 | abbat_w | Before i make auras with timers i use chronometer |
| 14:54.33 | mitch0 | I doesn't really have any problem with NECB |
| 14:54.40 | abbat_w | Now i only use default aura timers |
| 14:55.07 | mitch0 | abbat_w: what's your prob with NECB bwt? |
| 14:55.12 | mitch0 | s/wt/tw/ |
| 14:55.33 | abbat_w | Ergh, i use necb some time ago and i never see much lagged mod |
| 14:55.49 | Zeksie | oh... this makes the whole patch worthwhile. they changed the DE icon. |
| 14:56.25 | abbat_w | After author make 'gb clean' button in necb with description like 'if you have important fight, clear garbage collection with this button' - i completry remove this addon |
| 14:57.01 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=305801550&postId=3055243522&sid=1#15 |
| 14:57.02 | abbat_w | With Antagonist i see only information what i need (antagonist have filter system) |
| 14:57.02 | Fisker- | moar winrar |
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| 14:57.56 | abbat_w | And Antagonist uses textures from sharedmedia ;) It's important for me because my UI have one style of textures for all elements ;) |
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| 15:00.48 | abbat_w | ok, time to go to home |
| 15:00.53 | abbat_w | see you later guys |
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| 15:38.00 | [Liquidor] | Labyrinth (Game: 3D Maze) ver 1.0 -- http://wowui.incgamers.com/ui.php?id=3935 |
| 15:38.09 | [Liquidor] | Huh |
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| 15:41.31 | yacoob | we have to act |
| 15:41.53 | yacoob | if it continues this way, Azeroth is doomed to thermical death |
| 15:42.03 | yacoob | mages steal energy, producing water :) |
| 15:44.49 | Xuerian | [Liquidor]: Looks like what Cryect was doing, just in slightly more detail |
| 15:45.04 | weab | the fruits of my labors, if it's of any use to uedit users: http://files.zerus.org/wow/wordfile.txt |
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| 15:45.30 | weab | distributed under the condition that if something's wrong with it or you want it updated i don't care. |
| 15:45.40 | Xuerian | lol. |
| 15:46.57 | sylvanaar | i just did the syntax and code nav schemes for EditPadPro |
| 15:47.01 | jme | i am thinking about transferring to a server with better horde progression :/ |
| 15:48.53 | sylvanaar | weab have you seen the luawow wordfile for UE |
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| 15:49.15 | weab | i dunno. |
| 15:49.17 | weab | probably not |
| 15:49.46 | weab | the only one i could find was from january 05 |
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| 15:53.32 | sylvanaar | weab http://ace.pastey.net/71720 |
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| 15:54.29 | Amadeo | Blizzcon is tomorrow, right? |
| 15:54.35 | accolade | aye |
| 15:54.46 | weab | sylvanaar: that's old. |
| 15:54.50 | Amadeo | My prediction is that the Death Knight and Hero classes are fake, the rest may be real |
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| 15:55.37 | Amadeo | Though the siege stuff is pushing it for me |
| 15:55.44 | weab | i think hero and death knight sounds reasonable |
| 15:55.45 | Amadeo | But it does make sense because of Warhammer |
| 15:56.00 | weab | and siege they've been talking about forever |
| 15:56.01 | Amadeo | weab: The only thing conflicting with me is that Blizzard said they were never doing Hero classes |
| 15:56.20 | weab | since when? |
| 15:56.23 | dodgizzla | Amadeo: The key element to victory is surprise |
| 15:56.29 | Amadeo | haha, true |
| 15:56.31 | Amadeo | it would be a good one |
| 15:56.31 | weab | and yes |
| 15:56.36 | Amadeo | weab: Said on the forums a few times |
| 15:56.44 | jme | hmm |
| 15:56.50 | dodgizzla | Yeah they said they ditched hero classes :\ |
| 15:56.55 | dodgizzla | As they did with guild housing |
| 15:56.56 | jme | mal'ganis has plenty of horde guilds in ssc/tk and beyond |
| 15:57.14 | Amadeo | Your mom's a guild house |
| 15:57.24 | dylanm | jme: Damned right we do :) |
| 15:57.31 | jme | dylanm: oh snap, you're on mal'ganis? |
| 15:57.46 | Amadeo | Mal'Goonis, that's what I was taught to say |
| 15:57.51 | weab | i think they said they ditched them just to shut people up about them |
| 15:58.10 | jme | dylanm: er well that much is obvious since you responed.. heh |
| 15:58.32 | jme | dylanm: is your server overpopulated with hunters? :( |
| 15:58.42 | Amadeo | I hope Hero classes are real, but I don't like the idea behind implementing them...reminds me too much of DAoC |
| 15:59.37 | jme | the horde on my server have like two guilds in ssc, none in TK |
| 16:00.02 | weab | you don't like the idea in what way |
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| 16:01.14 | jme | http://www.wowjutsu.com/us/stormreaver/ <- actually not that bad |
| 16:01.28 | jme | horde is way behind though |
| 16:01.41 | Amadeo | weab: Pre-leveled classes were a really bad idea in DAoC |
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| 16:02.43 | kenlyric | just pre-level them to 70 :) |
| 16:02.51 | CIA-32 | 03jayhawk * r45578 10FuBar_SkillsPlusFu/SkillsPlusFu.lua: |
| 16:02.51 | CIA-32 | FuBar_SkillsPlusFu: |
| 16:02.51 | CIA-32 | - removed half finished line |
| 16:03.44 | dylanm | jme: Aren't they all? |
| 16:04.02 | Vapochill | anyone know where i can find a tutorial for eepanels wanne design somethign myself in photoshop |
| 16:04.46 | dylanm | jme: EJ was recruiting one a few months back but that's about the last I've heard of such a thing. |
| 16:05.07 | kenlyric | oh, i've seen worse: http://www.wowjutsu.com/us/kargath/ |
| 16:06.54 | jme | dylanm: it makes me want to reroll |
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| 16:07.10 | jme | kenlyric: heh i was just looking at that |
| 16:07.27 | kenlyric | that's my server :/ |
| 16:07.37 | jme | kenlyric: :( |
| 16:08.19 | Gngsk | used to be mine too |
| 16:08.47 | kenlyric | yeah, if I still cared about raiding (or played) I wouldn't be there anymore. |
| 16:08.55 | Gngsk | only thing I miss about it is the ping |
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| 16:11.17 | kenlyric | Kargath is orcish for "casual" |
| 16:11.40 | charon | jme: does wowjutsu have support for eu realms or is the sublevel "us/" just slightly misleading? i can't find it |
| 16:11.57 | jme | charon: i think it is still us only |
| 16:12.13 | charon | oh. :( |
| 16:12.37 | Gngsk | Does this work for European guilds? |
| 16:12.37 | Gngsk | I don't currently have the European guilds indexed, but it is in the works and will be made available soon. |
| 16:12.44 | Gngsk | FAQ FTW! |
| 16:13.28 | kenlyric | http://wowism.net/txt/us/kargath/kenlyric |
| 16:13.40 | kenlyric | errr, wrong window. |
| 16:13.45 | xyu | they're going to add EU eventually |
| 16:13.53 | jme | dylanm: my hunter isn't even in T4 yet so probably wouldn't have a chance with them |
| 16:14.20 | sb | Gngsk: wtb EU :p |
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| 16:14.26 | xyu | hehe i used that page to apply for guilds too :P |
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| 16:15.21 | Antiarc|Work | Morning all |
| 16:15.30 | Chompers | Hello |
| 16:15.33 | NightHawkTheSane | mourning |
| 16:15.41 | Zeksie | ello |
| 16:15.52 | Sirow | It's rather evening here, but ok good morning ;) |
| 16:17.21 | NightHawkTheSane | ~ugt |
| 16:17.22 | purl | rumour has it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 16:17.25 | Josh_Borke | Antiarc|Work: morning |
| 16:18.30 | Sirow | *taking notes* ok ^^ |
| 16:18.45 | Josh_Borke | i submitted a bug report to you earlier but it is useless |
| 16:19.11 | Josh_Borke | http://ace.pastey.net/71715 to be exact |
| 16:19.46 | Antiarc|Work | To me? |
| 16:19.59 | Josh_Borke | well, i pinged you with it i mean |
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| 16:25.49 | Saroz | where are the fucking changelogs |
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| 16:26.49 | Amadeo | damn, I dunno why Druids complain so much, all their forms are sick |
| 16:28.16 | Mudkips | druids complain? |
| 16:28.17 | Mudkips | no way |
| 16:28.30 | Mudkips | you can apply that to almost every class |
| 16:28.35 | Mudkips | except warlocks |
| 16:28.44 | Aenslaed | all the forms are sick, but come at such glaring costs |
| 16:28.46 | Mudkips | they're so happy with their class, they have the time to complain about green fire |
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| 16:29.24 | vhaarr | the only class/spec combo with the right to complain is the holy priest, everyone else should shut up |
| 16:29.47 | Aenslaed | ehh... holy priest is one of the best pvp healers still. |
| 16:30.01 | vhaarr | who said I was discussing anything |
| 16:30.52 | Aenslaed | when you use an opinion as a statement, you can only assume that. |
| 16:30.57 | Amadeo | Aenslaed: You should see the Boomkins on PTR, it's insane |
| 16:31.04 | Amadeo | and I imagine there are better on real servers |
| 16:31.06 | Aenslaed | Amadeo: too much of a gimmic. |
| 16:31.17 | Amadeo | they're doing like 1200 damage Moonfires |
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| 16:31.52 | kenlyric | why would holy priests complain? |
| 16:31.58 | kenlyric | we like working twice as hard to half the healing. |
| 16:32.05 | kenlyric | *to do |
| 16:32.15 | Amadeo | You like being shut down by Rogues! |
| 16:32.31 | Amadeo | or just MS |
| 16:32.42 | Aenslaed | more like, they are more durable than other healers when under duress |
| 16:32.50 | jme | dylanm: might roll something on mal'ganis sometime |
| 16:33.03 | jme | or just quit raiding and dedicate to pvp |
| 16:33.39 | Amadeo | Aenslaed: More durable than a Druid or Paladin? I dunno about that :P |
| 16:34.00 | Aenslaed | when forced to move, they are. |
| 16:34.09 | Amadeo | If you can move |
| 16:35.10 | Amadeo | that's the Paladin problem |
| 16:35.13 | Amadeo | they can't move even if they can :P |
| 16:35.30 | loonacy | Is there a lib that helps with points and scaling? |
| 16:35.34 | Josh_Borke | no |
| 16:35.42 | Josh_Borke | there's a lib that helps with saving positioning though |
| 16:36.49 | Sirow | Amadeo: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/WindowLib-1.0 |
| 16:37.11 | Amadeo | hm? |
| 16:37.14 | Josh_Borke | that's meant for loonacy |
| 16:37.17 | Amadeo | oh |
| 16:37.22 | Josh_Borke | but it doesn't specifically help with points and scaling |
| 16:37.23 | Sirow | oh yeah, wrong line, srz |
| 16:38.04 | Sirow | yeah, i just wanted to back Josh_Borke up ;) |
| 16:38.16 | jme | silence can be such a useful ability sometimes |
| 16:38.18 | jme | <3 belves |
| 16:38.49 | jme | i was pvping outside kara, took out a hunter, almost took out a warrior, pally jumped in to heal the warrior but i silenced him and finished the warr off :D |
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| 16:38.58 | jme | then i died. |
| 16:43.52 | Saroz | seriously what happened to the changelogs from google and trac |
| 16:45.09 | vhaarr | Saroz: the hooks were removed |
| 16:45.10 | Iceroth | argh, anyone else have had problem with SMM moving the capture bar? it got stuck in the middle of my screen >.< |
| 16:45.15 | vhaarr | http://cia.vc/stats/project/Ace |
| 16:45.55 | Josh_Borke | wtb websvn for wowace :-P |
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| 16:46.04 | vhaarr | indeed |
| 16:46.10 | dodgizzla | Iceroth: I've messed with it for some hours some days ago. My conclussion is, Blizzard protected it somehow |
| 16:46.40 | dodgizzla | Iceroth: None of the addons I used were able to move it; and I tried SMM, KC_Mobilty, moveFrames, Visor2 and moving it myself via :SetPoint |
| 16:47.16 | Iceroth | well surely it must work for someone since the feature is there |
| 16:47.34 | dodgizzla | Josh_Borke: What's wrong with http://www.wowace.com/trac/browser ? |
| 16:47.43 | dodgizzla | Iceroth: It is there, but it broke some time ago |
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| 16:48.00 | Josh_Borke | dodgizzla: it's not up to date? |
| 16:48.22 | dodgizzla | Josh_Borke: On what repository does it work on? |
| 16:48.35 | Josh_Borke | the ace svn repository but it requires hooks |
| 16:48.36 | Iceroth | well the followup question would be, how do i get it back where it should be :s |
| 16:48.55 | dodgizzla | Josh_Borke: Why? Trac always kinda works out of the box for me :D |
| 16:48.55 | Josh_Borke | you don't, use cia |
| 16:49.32 | Saroz | vhaarr :( |
| 16:49.39 | dodgizzla | Iceroth: You could go some revisions back. I think someone did some "fixes" to it and then it broke. |
| 16:50.32 | Iceroth | -.- |
| 16:50.40 | Saroz | seriously, need diffs |
| 16:50.54 | dodgizzla | Iceroth: Try 30735, that was the last version arjuna released, before rabbit borked it :> |
| 16:51.17 | Josh_Borke | Saroz: not always kept up to date but: http://websvn.joshborke.is-a-geek.com/listing.php?repname=AceSVN.copy&path=%2F&sc=0 |
| 16:51.35 | Saroz | thx |
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| 16:54.57 | vhaarr | dodgizzla: hey, it's not like I released a new one, it's all on the devel SVN |
| 16:56.29 | Josh_Borke | that'a'boy rabbit, put him in his place |
| 16:56.30 | Pkekyo | sweet...I've never played rogue above lvl 20 before, and now I'm doing kara |
| 16:57.21 | dodgizzla | vhaarr: No Offense :> |
| 16:57.59 | CIA-32 | 03saroz * r45579 10BigBrother/embeds.xml: BigBrother: Winner of the "Most broken mod of the week" award! |
| 16:58.24 | Saroz | vhaarr, why was the hooks removed |
| 16:58.29 | vhaarr | what hooks |
| 16:58.37 | Saroz | the trac and google things |
| 16:58.42 | vhaarr | dunno, ask kaelten |
| 16:59.15 | Frostx- | whats wrong with BigBrother? |
| 16:59.16 | Frostx- | =\ |
| 16:59.46 | Saroz | everything, but works now |
| 16:59.49 | weab | Â nothing. it got an award. |
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| 17:00.12 | Frostx- | :o |
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| 17:08.13 | Amadeo | What's a lightweight Linux distribution (old hardware) that still has a modern desktop? |
| 17:08.55 | Saint-N | antix-mepis |
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| 17:09.01 | Amadeo | that's like IceWM and stuff |
| 17:09.05 | Saint-N | yup |
| 17:09.10 | Saint-N | fluxbox and icewm |
| 17:09.36 | Saint-N | its meant for old hardware |
| 17:09.37 | CIA-32 | 03oridan * r45580 10ShoutReminder/ (ShoutReminder.lua ShoutReminder.toc): |
| 17:09.37 | CIA-32 | ShoutReminder: |
| 17:09.37 | CIA-32 | - minor bugfix, targetable buffs cast on self triggered two bars. |
| 17:09.50 | Amadeo | yeah, I was gonna download it last night but I was getting it at like 50K/sec, so I figured i'd wait |
| 17:09.55 | Amadeo | any others I can try along with it? |
| 17:10.10 | Saint-N | umm zenwalk isnt too bad for low reqs |
| 17:10.10 | evl | In what cases would I want to use RegisterBucketEvent over RegisterEvent? |
| 17:10.15 | Saint-N | maybe granular |
| 17:10.17 | RaydenUni | morning guys |
| 17:10.29 | Saint-N | id say that antix is the best of the bunch for old stuff though |
| 17:10.30 | Amadeo | mornin |
| 17:10.36 | Amadeo | I better try it then |
| 17:10.43 | Amadeo | Because Xubuntu runs worse than WinXP does on this |
| 17:10.46 | NightHawkTheSane | i used to put debian on my old g3 |
| 17:10.56 | Amadeo | not to mention the fonts blind me |
| 17:10.59 | Elkano | evl: most likely if an event can fire more than once in a short time but you only care for it firering but not how often. eg buff changes, hp changes and such |
| 17:11.10 | Saint-N | NightHawkTheSane: you also think that the beaver is a proud and noble creature |
| 17:11.14 | Elkano | RaydenUni: tench -> temporary enchants |
| 17:11.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Saint-N: you lost me. |
| 17:11.26 | RaydenUni | ok |
| 17:11.28 | RaydenUni | thanks |
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| 17:11.33 | evl | Elkano: I'm trying to check for when my targets gets mace stunned |
| 17:11.37 | RaydenUni | oh so buffs for weapons |
| 17:11.42 | RaydenUni | magic oil, poison etc |
| 17:11.49 | Saint-N | NightHawkTheSane: its a joke from the "I Am" molson canadian commercials |
| 17:11.51 | Elkano | exactly |
| 17:11.52 | evl | Elkano: using UNIT_AURA |
| 17:11.57 | RaydenUni | Tench - a cyprinid fish (Tinca tinca) native to Eurasia but introduced in the United States and noted for its ability to survive in poorly oxygenated waters |
| 17:12.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Saint-N: ahh. i don't watch tv. |
| 17:12.46 | Elkano | evl, since iirc UNIT_AURA doesn't provide that info via args so you'll end up scanning. so bucketing with .5 or 1 sec could be an idea |
| 17:12.55 | Saint-N | http://youtube.com/watch?v=EoJIcFvTQAE there you go |
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| 17:12.58 | deltron | anyone know of a mod to expand the friends list? |
| 17:13.45 | evl | Elkano: mkay but does it give any boost whatsoever? I'm checking UnitExists("target") and UnitIsPlayer("target") and then just if UnitDebuff("target", i) == "Stun" bla bla |
| 17:13.51 | kergoth | how's http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/articles/resources/petcalc_visual.shtml?8x0x9x5x0x0x9x4x2x1x2x3x1x1x2x14x2x1 look for heroics / raiding? |
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| 17:14.03 | Josh_Borke | it makes my eyes burn kergoth |
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| 17:14.25 | Amadeo | wow, nice URL |
| 17:14.25 | Amadeo | haha |
| 17:14.35 | Josh_Borke | wow, do you want it to die when it takes aggro? o.O |
| 17:14.40 | Elkano | well, a bit maybe. don't know the internals of ace that well |
| 17:15.00 | kergoth | hmm, more armor you think? |
| 17:15.14 | Josh_Borke | i dunon though, i'll never be a huntard |
| 17:15.20 | vithos | kergoth: you want rank 4 poison |
| 17:15.44 | kenlyric | do you want it to tank? |
| 17:15.54 | kenlyric | is the scorpid bug still in? |
| 17:15.58 | vithos | and personally, i go 3/3 resists then fill in armor/stam with what's left |
| 17:16.07 | vithos | er, 3/x whatever the max is |
| 17:16.12 | kergoth | hmm, okay. why rank 4 poison? |
| 17:16.23 | kergoth | kenlyric, i've got a boar for tanking, charge ftw |
| 17:16.32 | Amadeo | yay, Boars |
| 17:16.35 | vithos | because it has a shorter cooldown, so it gets two application chances |
| 17:16.41 | kergoth | ahh, nice |
| 17:16.46 | vithos | which means, statistically it will be more dps |
| 17:17.05 | kenlyric | then why does it have armor at all? |
| 17:17.19 | kergoth | excellent question |
| 17:17.20 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:17.27 | Saint-N | we are the second largest land mass, the 1st nation of hockey and the BEST PART OF NORTH AMERICA, MY NAME IS JOE AND I AM CANADIAN |
| 17:17.32 | kergoth | thanks for the help guys, havent really raided with a hunter before |
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| 17:17.43 | vithos | kergoth: BM spec i assume? |
| 17:18.12 | vithos | might want to consider 2/2 animal handler if you're going to try to buff the poison stack |
| 17:18.21 | kergoth | yeah i'm BM with animal handler |
| 17:18.56 | kenlyric | that bug still exists on ptr? |
| 17:19.23 | vithos | i've been told that mechanic exists for all dots |
| 17:19.30 | vithos | and that it's intended |
| 17:20.19 | kenlyric | wish it actually worked on all dots. |
| 17:20.26 | vithos | but yeah i haven't heard anything about it being changed, though i haven't tested it personally |
| 17:20.40 | kergoth | vithos, will claw ever preventi t from casting the poison, focus expendature wise, or is it smart enough? |
| 17:20.51 | vithos | it's not smart enough |
| 17:20.59 | kergoth | bah, course it wouldnt be |
| 17:21.23 | vithos | i tried doing the scorpid thing for a bit, didn't feel it was worth the trouble |
| 17:22.29 | vithos | i think i've got enough things to have an eye on without watching the poison stack to see if i need to stop/restart next time i blow cooldowns |
| 17:23.49 | ulic | if I do a printliteral and my results are '<Button:AddOn0>, "somestring", false', what kind of variable is the <Button:AddOn0>? I know it's a button, but what does the <> mean? |
| 17:24.32 | vhaarr | that it's an object, and not a string |
| 17:24.56 | kenlyric | do all spell schools have AOE that pets have to worry about? |
| 17:25.14 | vithos | though with animal handler, the chance to fall off is only 1.04% according to cheeky's sheet. maybe i should give it another try and just not care about buffing the stack any time but the first.. |
| 17:25.14 | kenlyric | I'm thinking there have to be schools you can skip for pet resists. |
| 17:26.16 | Saint-N | i think its another excel saga day! |
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| 17:29.13 | jme | vithos: i thought poisons were getting nerfed soon |
| 17:29.28 | ulic | vhaarr: and how would I referance that object if I wanted to pass it as a variable to a function? |
| 17:29.39 | vithos | kenlyric: there's probably at least one example for each school, but yeah you could get away without some. or just respec the pet's resists for the encounters of the night |
| 17:29.55 | vhaarr | ulic: just like you referenced it for :print |
| 17:30.01 | jme | that's what i do.. i think i keep it specced AR for kara |
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| 17:30.11 | vithos | jme: where'd you hear that? |
| 17:30.27 | jme | vithos: i'm not quite sure now that i think about it :( |
| 17:31.05 | ulic | vhaarr: that's the problem, the function I'm getting it from is function(...), but I want to create my own similar function, using those arguments. |
| 17:31.28 | ulic | well that, and I'm not a programmer, those are the problems :P |
| 17:31.41 | vhaarr | local f = select(1, ...) |
| 17:32.02 | vithos | jme: the poison itself nerfed or the mechanic of persisting buffs until the stack falls off nerfed? |
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| 17:32.37 | kenlyric | there needs to be a high health/low armor +10% dps pet. |
| 17:32.42 | vithos | it could be true, i just haven't heard that yet |
| 17:33.25 | jme | vithos: i think what i heard was the mechanic of persisting buffs until the stack falls off was going to be nerfed. like i said, i'm not exactly sure now. |
| 17:34.19 | vithos | kenlyric: wind serpent is the closest i think. health=1 armor=1 dps=1.07 (plus of course LB is second to scorpid poison i think) |
| 17:34.46 | vithos | hmm.. i guess i'll transfer my real char to the PTR and test |
| 17:35.18 | Amadeo | it's down atm |
| 17:35.33 | kenlyric | vithos, eh, a cat has that kind of stam at 1.10 damage. |
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| 17:37.08 | vithos | yeah, but does the dps modifier really matter if the family abilities aren't equal? |
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| 17:37.11 | Amadeo | what are the best PvP Hunter pets these days? |
| 17:37.38 | vithos | cat < scorpid/raptor < wind serpent < scorpid as far as effective dps goes i think |
| 17:37.47 | vithos | erm.. ravager/raptor not scorpid/raptor |
| 17:37.51 | kenlyric | i'd need to see numbers on LB. |
| 17:38.00 | Pkekyo | huh...some jackoff is saying that if I have more than 5% +hit I don't have "real MS gear" |
| 17:38.09 | kenlyric | you'd put a raptor over a cat? |
| 17:38.19 | kenlyric | que? |
| 17:38.54 | jme | vithos: maybe it was more along the lines of me thinking "wow that seems like something blizzard will nerf eventually" than an actual announcement |
| 17:39.09 | vithos | kenlyric: i believe it's marginally more dps, let me check |
| 17:39.27 | kenlyric | raptors learn claw, just like cats. |
| 17:39.39 | kenlyric | they should have identicle dps, with igher armor and lower stam. |
| 17:39.45 | CIA-32 | 03anxarces * r45581 10ProfessionsBook/ (ProfessionsBook.lua README.txt): |
| 17:39.45 | CIA-32 | ProfessionsBook: |
| 17:39.45 | CIA-32 | - Rescan messages will only be visible when debugging is turned on. |
| 17:39.45 | kenlyric | identical. |
| 17:40.10 | vithos | oh, oops. yeah i was remembering comparing my cat without bite to a raptor with both |
| 17:41.20 | kergoth | vhaarr, local f = ... |
| 17:41.46 | vithos | cheeky's sheet's giving me 302.96 dps cat/raptor, 308.87 ravager, 362.84 wind serpent, 387.89 scorpid (not including buffing the stack) |
| 17:42.53 | kenlyric | didn't LB get nerfed somewhere down the line that it doesn't scale with gear nearly as well as claw/gore? |
| 17:43.25 | Amadeo | so that's why I see lots of wind serpents |
| 17:43.34 | Arrowmaster | im gona have to remember to get Arikara once my hunter gets high enough level, so i can have a wind serpent that goes *poof* everytime its summoned |
| 17:43.51 | deltron | my guildies scorpid's poison does like 500/tic |
| 17:44.10 | kenlyric | scorpids good for long fights, though, right? |
| 17:45.14 | kenlyric | I can't math my around LB being better than gore. |
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| 17:45.21 | kenlyric | gonna have to look at this spreadsheet. |
| 17:45.43 | vithos | http://www.havoc-guild.us/Cheeky/Hunter_DPS_Calc.xls |
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| 17:46.22 | vithos | scorpids work best on single targets for long durations, yeah |
| 17:46.35 | vithos | as there's a ramp up time while getting the stack to 5 |
| 17:47.33 | vithos | so on a fight like vashj for example, LB is probably better (assuming cheeky's numbers are correct, i don't have a WS yet) |
| 17:48.12 | vithos | though there's also an issue with the pet wasting time by backing up to cast it, but i've heard if you take it off autocast and just put the cast in a spam macro it doesn't do it |
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| 17:48.51 | kenlyric | oh, i'm personally just looking at solo pets :) |
| 17:49.04 | vithos | oh. |
| 17:49.13 | vithos | well that's a whole different ball game :D |
| 17:49.14 | kenlyric | but I still don't see how LB is better than gore, in any place. |
| 17:49.28 | kenlyric | it must still scale better than gore. |
| 17:50.25 | vithos | LB is showing as 3.48 dmg/focus |
| 17:50.30 | vithos | vs 3.09 dmg/focus on gore |
| 17:50.39 | vithos | 2.73 dmg/focus claw |
| 17:50.58 | vithos | 3.60 dmg/focus bite |
| 17:51.25 | kenlyric | mine says gore is 4.62 damage per focus. |
| 17:51.35 | vithos | LB only has a 4 second cooldown and it's a 50 focus dump, so if you're overgaining focus it'll help that way too |
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| 17:52.14 | Arrowmaster | isnt gore a larger focus dump? |
| 17:52.24 | kenlyric | 25 focus |
| 17:52.34 | Arrowmaster | but only global cooldown |
| 17:54.06 | Amadeo | I'm still trying to figure out his quit message |
| 17:55.32 | vithos | i'm seeing 33 focus/second LB and 16.67 focus/second gore |
| 17:56.05 | vithos | oh, also i'm assuming that the pet is raid buffed |
| 17:56.41 | vithos | kings/might/wild |
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| 17:57.50 | kenlyric | hmmm, does wind serpent melee? |
| 17:57.58 | vithos | yes, and bite |
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| 17:58.49 | kergoth | vithos, according to wowhead, all ranks of scorpid poison are 4 sec cd |
| 17:59.04 | Saroz | grr, give Scroll Area in SCT in Sink, ffs |
| 17:59.38 | vithos | er, i meant dot duration |
| 17:59.45 | vithos | 10 seconds vs 8 seconds |
| 17:59.49 | kergoth | ahh right, 10 secs |
| 17:59.51 | kergoth | okay, thats cool |
| 18:01.07 | Arrowmaster | why does parrot have a 'Hammer of Wrath!' trigger for mages |
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| 18:01.21 | [dRaCo] | coz mages wanna be imba, too. |
| 18:01.33 | vithos | maybe it's trying to tell you to reroll |
| 18:01.36 | _Saint-N | holy crap that tomato linksys firmware is awesome |
| 18:01.41 | vithos | tomato? |
| 18:01.56 | _Saint-N | a custom firmware for wt54g linksys routers |
| 18:02.10 | _Saint-N | www.polarcloud.com/tomato/ |
| 18:02.18 | Amadeo | I use Tomato |
| 18:02.26 | Saint-N | i didnt realize how rad it is |
| 18:02.44 | Saint-N | it has forced gain for range, wireless survey around you |
| 18:02.47 | vithos | holy.. those screenshots of it have cleartype enabled for a different subpixel order. |
| 18:02.50 | vithos | MY EYES |
| 18:02.53 | Saint-N | and shitloads of other stuff that the normal one doesnt |
| 18:02.56 | Arrowmaster | ill have to check it out, using dd-wrt right now |
| 18:03.01 | vithos | i'm using hyperwrt |
| 18:03.02 | kergoth | i have a crappy wrt, cant use shit for custom firmwares :( |
| 18:03.18 | Saint-N | kergoth: this is made for wrt54g/gs's |
| 18:03.23 | Saint-N | and buffalo routers |
| 18:03.24 | vithos | kergoth: which do you have? |
| 18:03.29 | Arrowmaster | i made sure to order a wrt54gl online |
| 18:03.40 | Saint-N | only req is that its not a v5-v7 firmware |
| 18:04.06 | kenlyric | that's od. |
| 18:04.12 | kenlyric | I guess gore doesn't scale at all. |
| 18:04.17 | kenlyric | I was sure it did. |
| 18:05.05 | vithos | tomato does look pretty epic. i'll have to try that sometime |
| 18:06.13 | RaydenUni | woah |
| 18:06.16 | RaydenUni | gave me a scare for a moment |
| 18:06.26 | Kemayo | It's good. I've had it installed for the last six months or so. No problems. |
| 18:06.26 | RaydenUni | got on armory to look at my gear and none of it showed up! |
| 18:06.34 | Saint-N | yeah just installed it on an old ls i have... figure ill muck with it |
| 18:06.37 | RaydenUni | but i can't see anyone else's gear so it's all good |
| 18:06.41 | Saint-N | kemayo: can it do wireless bridging? |
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| 18:07.11 | Kemayo | Saint-N: I think I remember seeing that option. It's not something I do myself, so I can't recall for sure. |
| 18:07.33 | Saint-N | that would make that super awesome |
| 18:07.48 | Saint-N | the idea that a simple firmware can bridge your entire house |
| 18:10.11 | Kemayo | My AP covers my entire living area. I suspect this might be more of an issue if I lived in a region where houses were affordable. :) |
| 18:11.28 | NeoTron | main fail @ leotheras again.. although as a lock tank I had 17350 HP or so |
| 18:11.31 | Arrowmaster | i still need to get a damn wireless bridge for my original xbox |
| 18:12.17 | Saint-N | laugh |
| 18:12.24 | Saint-N | kemayo: heh yeah |
| 18:13.16 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: i kept dying last time we tried leo, but i only had 13k or so hp buffed |
| 18:13.41 | NeoTron | so as a fyi, Wrath of the Lich King is registerd in USPTO plus a friend at blizzard has confirmed it talking to another friend of mine.. |
| 18:13.49 | NeoTron | in case there was any question of the truth |
| 18:14.11 | Arrowmaster | full damage blasts ftl with 394 FR |
| 18:14.20 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: I survived a 13k and a 15k hit dying on a 16750k hit |
| 18:14.25 | NeoTron | my pet had died before the 13k hit |
| 18:14.33 | NeoTron | it's either full or none.. |
| 18:14.44 | kenlyric | USPTO filing have been on the web all day today. We believe you :) |
| 18:14.47 | Arrowmaster | thought you could partial resist it |
| 18:14.52 | NeoTron | I wonder though.. do binary spells benefit from > 365 resist? |
| 18:15.12 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: because it has a side effect, it's binary resist, like frost bolt |
| 18:15.14 | Arrowmaster | doubt it |
| 18:15.32 | Arrowmaster | at 365 it should only hit 25% of the time |
| 18:15.51 | Arrowmaster | i survived a 10k hit without my felhunter on one attempt |
| 18:16.08 | Arrowmaster | but usually i would die from a 6.4k followed by an 8k 1s later |
| 18:16.27 | NeoTron | except binary resist spells work somewhat differently |
| 18:17.23 | kenlyric | meh, there's no good theorycrafting on lightning breath. |
| 18:17.49 | NeoTron | what I wonder is if we'd lose or gain dps by using the warrior in FR gear |
| 18:17.54 | NeoTron | because he can't generate as much threat |
| 18:18.06 | NeoTron | but leo IS tauntable and a few chaos blasts doesn't do anything |
| 18:18.17 | NeoTron | because we're losing a lot of dps by me tanking |
| 18:21.53 | Saint-N | bahahahahaha |
| 18:22.06 | Saint-N | just did a wireless survey and thers a network called "Your ass is Yours! |
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| 18:23.00 | NeoTron | hmm. 1) Does Chaos Blast trigger Nether Protection, 2) if it does, do you lose aggro when it does? |
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| 18:25.29 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 18:25.56 | ckknight | hey all |
| 18:26.11 | Kaydeethree | herro |
| 18:27.17 | Amadeo | hey ckknight |
| 18:30.02 | Kaydeethree | any wine users having issues getting the launcher/ptr to patch? |
| 18:30.54 | Amadeo | When I'm using wine, I have trouble doing anything |
| 18:31.14 | Gngsk | Amadeo can't hold his liquor. |
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| 18:31.40 | ckknight | lol, Gngsk |
| 18:31.46 | ckknight | do we have a framexml diff yet? |
| 18:31.54 | Amadeo | or is it looks? |
| 18:31.55 | Amadeo | I forget |
| 18:32.05 | ckknight | looks? |
| 18:32.11 | Amadeo | in game when you get drunk |
| 18:32.19 | Kaydeethree | if I could get the damn thing to patch I'll post one... |
| 18:32.20 | ckknight | not sure |
| 18:32.22 | ckknight | I think is |
| 18:34.27 | RaydenUni | uh what is the difference between dodge and avoidance? |
| 18:34.50 | NeoTron | avoidance is the combinationm of dodge, parry and miss? |
| 18:34.57 | Kaydeethree | avoidance is everything involved with damage mitigation iirc. dodge/parry/shield block/miss/resil/etc... |
| 18:35.07 | RaydenUni | can't be |
| 18:35.11 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: why do mages have a 'Hammer of Wrath!' trigger in parrot for target gaining impact |
| 18:35.14 | ckknight | http://pastebin.com/m615bda5b <-- framexml patch 6093 -> 7051 |
| 18:35.22 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: it's supposed to be another trigger |
| 18:35.22 | RaydenUni | my ddge is 21% and my avoidance is only 22%. parry is 4.7% |
| 18:35.54 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: it was misnamed, you'd have to clear your sv to fix it, though, or you can just rename it |
| 18:36.15 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: i reset db and still have it |
| 18:36.40 | ckknight | hrm, perhaps delete the actual SV file |
| 18:37.23 | ckknight | looks like GetVoiceStatus was changed into GetVoiceStatus/GetMuteStatus |
| 18:38.01 | Arrowmaster | are you using tostring(table) for the aceoption keys on all the defaults too or just newly created stuff? |
| 18:38.47 | ckknight | everything |
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| 18:39.12 | Arrowmaster | that could be why resetdb didnt fix it |
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| 18:41.50 | RaydenUni | http://www.ctscreens.net/494 <-- why is this a top ranked interface? |
| 18:42.04 | RaydenUni | oh it's a crit screenshot |
| 18:42.59 | Antiarc|Work | I had a 17k sinister strike on them once |
| 18:43.01 | Antiarc|Work | It was pretty awesome |
| 18:43.03 | ckknight | okay, they added a PVP_REPORT_AFK |
| 18:44.19 | RaydenUni | on who? |
| 18:44.37 | ckknight | and function ReportPlayerIsPVPAFK |
| 18:44.40 | RaydenUni | oh special mobs that get hit really hard? |
| 18:45.20 | RaydenUni | anyone else here get really confused by the use of "unless" in a logic statement? |
| 18:45.47 | NightHawkTheSane | no? |
| 18:46.11 | RaydenUni | i guess i'm just too used to the standard if else, unless seems superfluous and awkward |
| 18:46.13 | ckknight | RaydenUni: horribly. |
| 18:46.32 | ckknight | I find the use of if not to be much more streamlined |
| 18:46.41 | ckknight | I don't like two ways of doing the same thing |
| 18:46.49 | NightHawkTheSane | it is superfluous, i think. but i dont find it confusing |
| 18:46.55 | RaydenUni | redirect_to(:action => 'login') unless logged_in? || User.count > 0 <-- blech |
| 18:47.13 | RaydenUni | i have to think about what that does |
| 18:47.14 | RaydenUni | wastes time |
| 18:47.40 | ckknight | oh, I also am not fond of trailing conditionals |
| 18:47.47 | ckknight | I prefer there to be a proper if block |
| 18:47.52 | RaydenUni | yeah |
| 18:47.54 | ckknight | makes it read better, imho |
| 18:47.58 | ckknight | cause this is horrid, imh: |
| 18:48.00 | ckknight | imho:* |
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| 18:48.18 | ckknight | return nil unless something |
| 18:48.22 | ckknight | return something |
| 18:48.34 | ckknight | doesn't flow nicely to me |
| 18:49.11 | NightHawkTheSane | trailing conditionals are weird, but i'm kind of used to them i guess. *shrug* |
| 18:49.51 | kergoth | from what i can tell, if your scorpid has both poison and claw, he almost always claws unless he gets go for the throat extra focus.. is that correct? any hunters around? is it better to leave claw off, perhaps just at the start of the fight? |
| 18:50.19 | ckknight | okay, all in all, the patch adds PvP reporting and fixes voice stuff |
| 18:51.10 | Bruners | kergoth: it almost allways uses all its focus on claw |
| 18:51.15 | kergoth | meh |
| 18:52.23 | RaydenUni | patch to PTR? |
| 18:52.43 | RaydenUni | why were there no afk problems before? not enough incentive? |
| 18:53.08 | kergoth | Bruners, so just keep claw off? |
| 18:53.16 | Bruners | when i grind i have it off |
| 18:53.44 | Bruners | in bossfights i crit enough to get enough focus |
| 18:54.17 | kergoth | course if i turn it off, he's got focus coming out his ears, more than he knows what to do with |
| 18:54.18 | kergoth | ah, k |
| 18:55.01 | Bruners | if your not BM you really need to turn it off :) |
| 18:56.16 | Saint-N | neat it does support bridging as long as both are setup as WDS's |
| 18:56.45 | Antiarc|Work | I love trailing ocnditionals |
| 18:56.53 | Antiarc|Work | You get used to them -really- fast |
| 18:57.30 | Antiarc|Work | Once you get into the habit of reading them, you start wanting to use them everywhere |
| 18:57.33 | Antiarc|Work | I hated them at first too |
| 18:57.51 | kergoth | Bruners, i'm bm, with animal handler. maybe i just need a bit more crit gear :) |
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| 18:57.57 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:59.57 | Saint-N | i think i need subway... back in a bit |
| 19:01.52 | Amadeo | He likes more meat |
| 19:02.16 | jme | :O |
| 19:02.53 | ckknight | ~x en de mouse |
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| 19:04.02 | Arrowmaster | kergoth: does order of skills in petbar have any effect on autocast priority |
| 19:04.21 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=305801632&postId=3055545477&sid=1#28 |
| 19:05.10 | kergoth | Arrowmaster, peple have said it does, but i've not seen that.. besides, those abilities can be set to autocast and not even be /on/ the pet bar. you can drag them off, but leave them autocasting in the pet spellbook |
| 19:05.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:05.33 | jme | http://youtube.com/watch?v=tF37vBu4g34 |
| 19:05.38 | jme | Fisker-: ^ |
| 19:05.44 | jme | (not a rickroll) |
| 19:05.56 | Amadeo | lol |
| 19:05.58 | NightHawkTheSane | (lies! don't believe him! It totally is!) |
| 19:06.04 | jme | (no it isn't!) |
| 19:06.20 | jme | (why are we typing in parentheses?) |
| 19:06.23 | Fisker- | do not want jme |
| 19:06.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc|Work: I'm kinda 50/50 on trailing conditionals. I don't see a particular benefit over just putting the conditional at the start of the line. :P |
| 19:06.49 | kenlyric | good meat flavor. |
| 19:07.14 | Antiarc|Work | NightHawkTheSane: For me, it means your 1-liners aren't easily confused with blocks |
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| 19:07.33 | Fisker- | Some might say i'm INSANE jme :( |
| 19:07.44 | jme | :( |
| 19:07.48 | loonacy | Do .lua files in your WTF/Account/???/SavedVariables load if you don't have the addon that created them anymore? |
| 19:07.55 | kergoth | loonacy, no |
| 19:08.10 | Fisker- | OMG GUYS |
| 19:08.19 | Fisker- | BLIZZARD PATENTED WRATH OF THE LICH KING |
| 19:08.24 | Fisker- | I'm super cereal |
| 19:08.35 | cubicool | Does Ace2 provide any convenience methods for hooking into the Blizzard builtin Scrollign Combat Text? Has anyone ever done this? |
| 19:08.39 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=305781610&postId=3055545497&sid=1#13 |
| 19:09.05 | ckknight | cubicool: hooking how? |
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| 19:10.04 | jme | Fisker-: they waited until people speculated enough and deduced a cool enough sounding name, then stole it from them and patented it. genius! |
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| 19:10.11 | cubicool | ckknight: Well, I have a friend who'd like to arbitrary thorw up messages on the screen based on various criteria. |
| 19:10.13 | Fisker- | obviously! |
| 19:10.24 | ckknight | cubicool: look at SinkLib |
| 19:10.33 | cubicool | ckknight: I can define the criteria in the file (he doesn't need to do it "easily"), but I can't make it appear on screen. |
| 19:10.40 | cubicool | ckknight: Ah, cool, thanks. |
| 19:10.56 | ckknight | Fisker-: it's just trademarked, not patented |
| 19:11.17 | cubicool | ckknight: What does the "Sink" mean? Sink as in "kitchen sink" or sink as in data sink? |
| 19:11.33 | ckknight | double entendre |
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| 19:11.34 | Fisker- | ckknight i know :P |
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| 19:11.57 | Antiarc|Work | Hey guys, I'm patenting "ckknight". Every time you want him to fix something, you have to pay me for the right to address him. |
| 19:12.06 | ckknight | ... |
| 19:12.11 | Fisker- | i'd pay |
| 19:12.17 | Antiarc|Work | (break things and I'll give you kickbacks, ckk) |
| 19:12.18 | Diao | lol |
| 19:12.45 | Antiarc|Work | This plan cannot fail. |
| 19:13.46 | kenlyric | you'd need to trademark ckknight |
| 19:13.46 | Fisker- | i win |
| 19:13.49 | ckknight | I need a new mouse |
| 19:14.00 | Fisker- | hah |
| 19:14.02 | Fisker- | i fixed mine |
| 19:14.06 | jme | ckknight: i just got ye ole $20 microsoft optical mouse |
| 19:14.22 | Antiarc|Work | If we ever develop cloning technology, I am patenting myself posthaste |
| 19:14.27 | jme | ckknight: i couldn't find a decent bluetooth mouse worth paying for :/ |
| 19:14.38 | Antiarc|Work | I just use the $20 Logitech opticals, corded. |
| 19:14.44 | ckknight | I just need a wired optical |
| 19:14.49 | Antiarc|Work | Cordless mice are too heavy and tend to lose battery power at the worst times. |
| 19:14.54 | ckknight | yea |
| 19:14.58 | ckknight | also, I lose em too often |
| 19:14.59 | jme | ckknight: like i said.. that's what i got |
| 19:15.13 | jme | and for the same reason |
| 19:15.38 | jme | my gf had a wireless mouse and it kept going out on her even when the battery was charged, in the middle of an instance :P |
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| 19:17.08 | ckknight | ugh |
| 19:17.11 | Kaydeethree | meh, I've got the cheapo logitech wireless mouse/keyboard combo. I only have problems if the batteries are nearly dead. keyboard lasts forever, mouse on the other hand... |
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| 19:17.45 | Saint-N | idislike wireless keyboards |
| 19:17.48 | Antiarc|Work | I use a wireless keyboard. |
| 19:17.52 | Antiarc|Work | But a wired mouse. |
| 19:17.53 | Antiarc|Work | Go figure. |
| 19:17.59 | Saint-N | every single one ive had has issues when you hold down keys |
| 19:18.10 | Antiarc|Work | Never had a problem here. |
| 19:18.16 | Kaydeethree | same, no problems here |
| 19:19.12 | Saint-N | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=3257487&sku=M450-2402%20T&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=WEM1420 |
| 19:19.15 | Tlink | I like wired mice, its just tough making them drink all that coffee |
| 19:20.34 | Saint-N | speaking of twitching |
| 19:20.45 | ckknight | hehe, Tlink |
| 19:20.48 | Saint-N | those sobe coolatta's from dunkin donuts are awesome |
| 19:21.48 | jme | dude.. i want to pick up engineering and make http://www.wowhead.com/?item=16054#c0z |
| 19:22.34 | jme | can the gnomish battle chicken or that fight in arenas? |
| 19:23.50 | sylvanaar | engineering is not usable in the arenas |
| 19:23.57 | jme | didn't think so |
| 19:24.53 | Saint-N | the arena and bg's would be totally awesome if it randomly loaded an npc team of mobs |
| 19:25.23 | jme | or like a 72 elite that you all had to kill before it killed you, then you kill each other |
| 19:25.29 | sylvanaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.36 | Saint-N | yeah that would be neat too |
| 19:26.01 | jme | AV has bosses.. why not arenas? ;) |
| 19:26.08 | Saint-N | cuz im pretty sure that gruul could totally own in arena ;) |
| 19:26.13 | jme | lol |
| 19:26.21 | jme | or any of his sons |
| 19:26.23 | sylvanaar | av is a tradgedy |
| 19:26.32 | Saint-N | nefarion and his lords in eye of the storm as a team |
| 19:26.39 | Saint-N | av is a race instance |
| 19:26.52 | sylvanaar | i miss my shredder |
| 19:27.14 | Saint-N | i miss being with people in AV that realize that horde taking snowfall is the most retarded thing they could do |
| 19:27.17 | Fisker- | This is my Teal'C face ^_- |
| 19:28.20 | Amadeo | where's his gold tattoo? |
| 19:29.35 | CIA-32 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r45582 10Joker/LibJokerLocale-1.0/ (. LibJokerLocale-1.0.lua LibJokerLocale-1.0.toc): |
| 19:29.35 | CIA-32 | LibJokerLocale-1.0 - initial commit. |
| 19:29.35 | CIA-32 | - see http://wowace.com/wiki/LibJokerLocale-1.0 for API |
| 19:29.35 | CIA-32 | - this acts like a slimmed-down AceLocale-2.2, no frills. |
| 19:29.48 | sylvanaar | after the requisite kill farming at the spawn |
| 19:29.51 | NeoTron | :se noai |
| 19:29.51 | NeoTron | a:se ai |
| 19:30.03 | jme | asl? |
| 19:30.04 | Diao | hmm i remember autobar used to have a "auto-selfcast" option |
| 19:30.16 | Diao | any idea why it would be taken out? |
| 19:30.25 | Saint-N | it wasnt |
| 19:30.33 | Saint-N | you're just drunk |
| 19:30.34 | Diao | ? |
| 19:30.36 | CIA-32 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r45583 10Joker/LibJokerLocale-1.0/LibJokerLocale-1.0.lua: LibJokerLocale-1.0 - fix Autodoc in two places |
| 19:30.38 | Amadeo | toadkiller said he wanted to keep the addon under 600MB |
| 19:30.38 | sylvanaar | the buttons rarely work when you need them |
| 19:30.41 | Diao | it's not in the options menu anymore :( |
| 19:31.02 | Saint-N | diao: because self cast was moved a a built in |
| 19:31.11 | Saint-N | check yer interface options and itll behave right ;P |
| 19:31.29 | Diao | err |
| 19:31.34 | Diao | i don't want normal selfcast though :( |
| 19:31.36 | Diao | i just want selfcast on items |
| 19:32.30 | Diao | i have a peculiar playstyle where i like to specifically control my heals but i like my bandages to selfcast automatically if i'm not targetting a friendly |
| 19:33.43 | jme | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=712443981&sid=1 |
| 19:33.44 | jme | hahaha |
| 19:34.29 | deltron | hah holy shit |
| 19:34.44 | Amadeo | haha |
| 19:34.46 | Amadeo | I like this one |
| 19:34.49 | Amadeo | "His seal form is ugly, but wont let him drown! Bubalo Bubalo Bubalobrown!" |
| 19:34.57 | jme | that whole thread is win |
| 19:35.40 | deltron | meme in the making |
| 19:38.14 | Saint-N | i like the "who spins right round baby, right round?" |
| 19:38.22 | Bejitt | anyone remember showbiz pizza? :o |
| 19:38.25 | Bejitt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFVfelCJozo |
| 19:38.36 | jme | that thread made me rofl at work |
| 19:39.42 | kenlyric | I do. |
| 19:39.47 | kenlyric | stupid chucky cheeze. |
| 19:39.51 | jme | i do :/ |
| 19:40.05 | kenlyric | inferior product |
| 19:40.12 | Amadeo | where a kid can be a kid? |
| 19:40.47 | kenlyric | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ieb9-xTcJ0 |
| 19:40.53 | kenlyric | ok, these are all funny. |
| 19:40.58 | charon | argh, my MT/MTT displays in pitbull are acting all weird |
| 19:41.04 | Josh_Borke | hrmph |
| 19:41.12 | charon | they are linked in configuration: when i change config in one, the other one changes too |
| 19:41.16 | kenlyric | http://www.youtube.com/user/christhrash |
| 19:41.23 | jme | Bejitt: nice |
| 19:41.25 | charon | but sometimes in the middle of a fight or something, they reset to the "separate" configs |
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| 19:42.02 | Amadeo | kenlyric: Christ Hrash! |
| 19:44.04 | ZealotOnAStick | Is the Java WAU working worth a flip yet? |
| 19:47.26 | MoonWolf | i use it all the time |
| 19:47.32 | MoonWolf | instead of the .net version |
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| 19:49.21 | Saint-N | thats because you're a communist moonwolf |
| 19:49.37 | kenlyric | he has a point. |
| 19:49.40 | Saint-N | then again everyone knows that if you use .net the terrorists have won ;P |
| 19:49.47 | Saint-N | 9-11 |
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| 19:51.33 | Fisker- | noooooooooooooooooooo kenlyric |
| 19:51.36 | Fisker- | LOLI HAETS BEAR |
| 19:51.55 | Hjalte | Is there any other fancy addons besides Grouper that i can use for my lfg lusts? |
| 19:52.24 | Hjalte | are* even |
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| 19:57.11 | CIA-32 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r45584 10Joker/LibJokerLocale-1.0/LibJokerLocale-1.0.lua: |
| 19:57.11 | CIA-32 | LibJokerLocale-1.0 - have locale objects clear 5 seconds after registration, to save memory later on if it's a 1-time thing. |
| 19:57.11 | CIA-32 | - since initial translations are calculated and cached, repeated translations |
| 19:57.11 | CIA-32 | are very fast, but it uses a bit of memory. By clearing after 5 seconds, the |
| 19:57.11 | CIA-32 | one-time-only translations will have been taken care of, but repeated |
| 19:57.15 | CIA-32 | translations will recache and be fast throughout. |
| 19:57.59 | ckknight | can someone tell me if http://wowace.com/wiki/LibJokerLocale-1.0 seems okay? |
| 19:58.09 | ckknight | preliminarily |
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| 19:58.48 | ckknight | ooh, dang, gotta document the reverse thing |
| 19:59.00 | Fisker- | man |
| 19:59.16 | Fisker- | you just saved your self from a "if http://wowace.com/wiki/LibJokerLocale-1.0 seems okay?" |
| 19:59.17 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 19:59.18 | Fisker- | :( |
| 19:59.29 | ckknight | ? |
| 19:59.34 | ckknight | I don't get it |
| 19:59.39 | ckknight | are you just trolling? |
| 19:59.44 | Fisker- | yeah, but it's alright |
| 19:59.50 | Fisker- | unless you are missing something like you say :( |
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| 20:01.08 | ckknight | I have no idea what you're saying |
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| 20:01.50 | Fisker- | i say it looks alright, but i don't know if you're missing something like you said yourself :P |
| 20:01.55 | Fisker- | i.e. what's there looks ok |
| 20:04.04 | CIA-32 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r45585 10Joker/LibJokerLocale-1.0/LibJokerLocale-1.0.lua: LibJokerLocale-1.0 - document reverse |
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| 20:04.18 | ckknight | I was more asking developers in the room |
| 20:06.05 | Amadeo | I wonder when voice chat is coming |
| 20:06.11 | jme | this patch |
| 20:06.19 | Fisker- | maybe |
| 20:06.22 | Amadeo | there's a few things on PTR that show it |
| 20:06.24 | Amadeo | but it doesn't work yet |
| 20:06.29 | jme | ah |
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| 20:06.44 | jme | i am wondering how much more lag it will cause |
| 20:07.01 | Amadeo | I imagine not much |
| 20:07.18 | Amadeo | people use Ventrilo/TS as it is |
| 20:07.36 | Killmore7 | I just want to see which kind of quality they have |
| 20:07.53 | Amadeo | Probably decent, maybe not as good as Vent |
| 20:07.57 | Amadeo | hopefully better than TS |
| 20:07.59 | accolade | And if your wowclient crashes the voicecomm goes down, just plain stupid. |
| 20:08.29 | Amadeo | If WoW crashes, you might have bigger issues :) |
| 20:08.51 | accolade | Shit tends to happen |
| 20:08.58 | jme | our pally tank was tanking kara at 7-8 fps last night :X |
| 20:09.03 | accolade | ouch |
| 20:09.04 | jme | i don't see how that's possible |
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| 20:09.15 | accolade | Maybe he's used to it :o |
| 20:09.21 | Amadeo | I only get about 15fps in outlands |
| 20:09.22 | jme | maybe.. he's a darn good tank imo |
| 20:09.24 | Amadeo | and in the instances it's worse |
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| 20:09.38 | jme | i get about 30-40 fps in outlands, 15-20 in instances |
| 20:09.39 | Amadeo | well, outside it varies |
| 20:09.52 | jme | in azeroth like 50-60 fps |
| 20:09.59 | Amadeo | yeah, that's similar to me then |
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| 20:10.18 | Amadeo | depends where in outlands, some places kill me |
| 20:10.36 | jme | hellfire is bad with the random flame spout animations |
| 20:10.42 | bob2000 | Hey guys, im having an issue installing the new wowace updater with vista. Anyone have advice? |
| 20:13.04 | bob2000 | =/ |
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| 20:14.41 | Josh_Borke | don't use vista |
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| 20:15.06 | bob2000 | Well thats an easy fix. |
| 20:15.10 | bob2000 | Came with the new laptop. |
| 20:15.47 | earthbane | bob2000: Do you have .NET 2.0 installed? |
| 20:15.56 | Comxx | Antiarc|Work: i Think found the addon that missing up hemlock |
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| 20:16.50 | earthbane | Is there a library or addon of some sort with more standard localization strings than Babble has? |
| 20:16.59 | Antiarc|Work | Comxx: Oh? |
| 20:17.02 | jme | vithos: so should i keep my laughing skull chest, or get a thick netherscale breastplate made? |
| 20:17.32 | bob2000 | Net 2.0 is installed. |
| 20:17.32 | earthbane | what error are you getting? |
| 20:17.44 | bob2000 | URLDownloadToCacheFile failed with HRESULT '-2146697211' |
| 20:17.45 | Jaxon | jme: Ebon Netherscale. |
| 20:17.46 | bob2000 | Error: An error occurred trying to download 'http://www.wowace.com/wau/WowAceUpdater.application'. |
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| 20:18.13 | bob2000 | Firewall is allowing full access too. |
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| 20:18.57 | Comxx | Antiarc|Work: I think it Auctioneer |
| 20:19.09 | earthbane | Are you installing it from the setup.exe file or from the publish.htm page? |
| 20:19.13 | Antiarc|Work | I use auctioneer and don't seem to have problems with it. What makes you think that? |
| 20:19.15 | jme | Jaxon: hmm |
| 20:19.20 | bob2000 | Tried both. |
| 20:19.34 | kergoth | hm, what should i tip an enchanter to do my mongoose when i've got the mats? 50g? |
| 20:19.40 | Antiarc|Work | 50g's about right |
| 20:19.45 | Jaxon | jme: better than both, epic+socket. Hope you have Dragonscale Leatherworking! If not, I'd go with the THick Netherscale. |
| 20:19.51 | bob2000 | 15g on Stormreaver. |
| 20:20.02 | Comxx | i went through my addon and henlock works fine but i have not loaded Auctioneer |
| 20:20.03 | Jaxon | kergoth: 50g sounds expensive, I think 15g is the going rate on Deathwing. |
| 20:20.19 | CIA-32 | 03ascalia * r45586 10TradeskillInfo/TradeskillData.lua: |
| 20:20.21 | jme | Jaxon: i don't have LW anymore, dropped it for JC.. still skilling that up atm |
| 20:20.21 | jme | Jaxon: someone in guild can make the thick netherscale |
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| 20:21.46 | bob2000 | Hrm, seems the download is down. I shouldnt be being blocked. |
| 20:21.48 | earthbane | bob2000: I bet it has something to do with Vista's crappy UAC and the fact that the web deployment they are using from .NET sucks major ass |
| 20:21.52 | jme | both azzinoth blades completed, wow |
| 20:22.08 | Diao | and 5/6 tier 6 @_@ |
| 20:22.10 | Diao | er |
| 20:22.11 | Diao | 4/5* |
| 20:22.18 | bob2000 | Earthbane: my UAC is disabled. =/ |
| 20:22.29 | CIA-32 | TradeskillInfo: |
| 20:22.29 | CIA-32 | - fixed cooking recipes from Kylene |
| 20:22.29 | CIA-32 | - fixed non-existence engineering schematics |
| 20:22.52 | jme | Diao: yeah |
| 20:22.57 | jme | man that is nuts |
| 20:23.21 | bob2000 | Im getting connection errors in the log file. Can anyone verify the download isnt borked? |
| 20:23.34 | earthbane | Go to http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=178751 and download the bin.zip file |
| 20:23.43 | Josh_Borke | i was able to download http://www.wowace.com/wau/WowAceUpdater.application |
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| 20:23.49 | Josh_Borke | in linux |
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| 20:23.55 | Comxx | Antiarc|Work: unless one of my seting with Auctioneer that doing it |
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| 20:25.05 | earthbane | Hopefully that should work without the madness that is the .NET ClickOnce fun |
| 20:25.19 | harldephin | http://images.harl.de/games/alienshooter2.png |
| 20:25.26 | bob2000 | damn.... /facepalm! |
| 20:25.30 | Arrowmaster | vhaarr: im really confused right now, im using FuBar_tcgTradeskills which is using Sink-1.0 and even though ive set it to "None" it wont stop sending messages to parrot |
| 20:25.36 | Bam__ | How do the Suppressions work in Parrot? I want to disable the notification when I use Blink... but a suppression like "You gain Blink." doesn't seem to work... |
| 20:25.36 | bob2000 | I should have thought of that. =/ Thank you very much! |
| 20:25.46 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster: bug then, please fix it |
| 20:25.59 | Arrowmaster | but i dont know why its not working right |
| 20:26.10 | Arrowmaster | oh wait yes i do |
| 20:26.46 | jme | Diao: and his 5v5 team is first place, wonder why ;) |
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| 20:26.54 | Arrowmaster | 'tcgTradeskillsCooldowns = tcgTradeskills:NewModule("Cooldowns", "Sink-1.0")' is that correct? |
| 20:27.06 | Arrowmaster | it should be loaded as a mixin right |
| 20:27.36 | bob2000 | Earthbane: Im still getting the connection errors. =/ |
| 20:28.30 | Arrowmaster | vhaarr: ah ha found it, its being loaded as a mixin to a module but the module doesnt have acedb |
| 20:28.52 | earthbane | bob2000: Hmmm.. not sure then. |
| 20:29.09 | Fisker- | they're ruining mah 4chan :( |
| 20:29.13 | CIA-32 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r45587 10Joker/LibJoker-1.0/LibJoker-1.0.lua: LibJoker-1.0 - now if a library is created within a unit test, it will be removed from memory right after. |
| 20:29.32 | bob2000 | Earthbane: Error on the version check and error on the addon list download. |
| 20:30.26 | earthbane | Do you have a firewall installed? |
| 20:30.32 | earthbane | Other than the Vista one? |
| 20:30.58 | jme | Diao: hah half his stuff isn't even socketed |
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| 20:31.49 | CIA-32 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r45588 10Joker/LibJoker-1.0/LibJoker-1.0.lua: LibJoker-1.0 - remove asserts from __removeLibrary |
| 20:32.10 | bob2000 | Yeah. Its showing full access to the setup.exe and wowaceupdater.exe |
| 20:32.27 | earthbane | bob2000: Also try to download http://www.wowace.com/wau/WowAceUpdater.application with a browser of some sort, see if it downloads from there |
| 20:33.10 | bob2000 | Did that, gave the same error as using the setup. With the sourceforge download it gives me a version check error and stops responding on addon list download. |
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| 20:33.40 | earthbane | What browser did you use to download it? |
| 20:33.46 | Diao | jme: i think it is but the armory doesn't show it because the items aren't in the armory yet |
| 20:33.59 | bob2000 | Firefox. |
| 20:34.11 | bob2000 | Connection errors with firewall turned off too. |
| 20:34.34 | bob2000 | Version Check...Error |
| 20:34.36 | bob2000 | Error During Download: System.Net.WebException: Unable to connect to the remote server ---> System.Net.Sockets.SocketException: A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time, or established connection failed because connected host has failed to respond |
| 20:34.55 | CIA-32 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r45589 10Joker/LibJoker-1.0/LibJoker-1.0.lua: LibJoker-1.0 - fix error message in :FinalizeLibrary |
| 20:35.37 | jme | Diao: hmm |
| 20:35.43 | earthbane | bob2000: Weird. My other guesses would be hit windows update and see if there are any .NET updates |
| 20:35.47 | jme | Diao: his helm is socketed.. heh |
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| 20:35.54 | bob2000 | Right on. |
| 20:36.08 | earthbane | The problem looks to be in .NET somewhere since you can download ths stuff from Firefox, but then the .NET stuff can't |
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| 20:37.02 | bob2000 | Must be that damned bad kb935807 update. |
| 20:37.08 | jme | do you guys think they'll release the next xpac as early as january again? |
| 20:37.30 | earthbane | So anyone know a place to find the localizations of standard WoW strings returned from the WoW API? |
| 20:37.45 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: with acemodules, how do you reference the original addon from a module? |
| 20:38.09 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: the core can do self.modulePrototype.core = self |
| 20:38.28 | Arrowmaster | no universal way? |
| 20:38.36 | bob2000 | Earthbane: Thank you very much. Im going to be doing some rebooting. |
| 20:38.58 | Arrowmaster | trying to get to the cores acedb if a module dont have acedb |
| 20:39.14 | ckknight | it's up to the core |
| 20:39.26 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 20:40.11 | Chompers | hey ckknight :) |
| 20:40.24 | Jaxon | What are some Autobar alternatives? I'm looking for something smaller since I mostly use it for potions/elixirs and the odd weapon buff. |
| 20:40.29 | ckknight | hey Chompers |
| 20:40.55 | kergoth | Jaxon, pt3bar works pretty well, more basic than autobar |
| 20:42.34 | Kemayo | Arrowmaster: AuldLangSyne's modules do some guessing about how to handle dbs depending on whether or not the core is available. It might be of use to you. |
| 20:43.10 | Arrowmaster | was trying to come up with something that would work with all addons |
| 20:43.51 | Kemayo | Ah, yeah, that'd be tough. |
| 20:44.13 | phyber | ckknight: question! what should I hook to make ManaPerc work with CowTip? (http://www.wowace.com/trac/browser/trunk/ManaPerc/ManaPerc.lua) |
| 20:44.31 | phyber | it needs to modify a line in the tooltip. |
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| 20:45.09 | phyber | can't hook the OnShow anymore since that breaks the HP bars in CowTip, etc. so, there must be something else to hook ;) |
| 20:45.24 | Josh_Borke | HookScript |
| 20:45.29 | ckknight | phyber: if you hook, call the original hook. |
| 20:45.39 | ckknight | the original function, that is |
| 20:45.53 | ckknight | that's your issue, phyber |
| 20:46.03 | ckknight | stick to OnTooltipSetSpell, though |
| 20:46.26 | CIA-32 | 03arrowmaster * r45590 10FuBar_tcgTradeskills/Cooldown.lua: FuBar_tcgTradeskills: use parrents Sink-1.0 instead of embeding it into Cooldown module, this fixes the annoying messages that don't obey the settings |
| 20:46.37 | Arrowmaster | vhaarr: fine i fixed it myself |
| 20:46.39 | phyber | I thought Ace2 handled calling the original |
| 20:47.06 | ckknight | no, phyber |
| 20:47.22 | ckknight | if you do it securely, yes |
| 20:47.24 | ckknight | but you don't |
| 20:47.45 | phyber | ahh! :) |
| 20:51.39 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster: goody |
| 20:52.00 | CIA-32 | 03earthbane * r45591 10DKPmon_HellbenderDKP/ (6 files): |
| 20:52.00 | CIA-32 | DKPmon_HellbenderDKP: Initial import |
| 20:52.00 | CIA-32 | - A Hellbender dynamic DKP, zero-sum system plugin for DKPmon |
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| 20:53.01 | CIA-32 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r45592 10Joker/LibJoker-1.0/LibJoker-1.0.lua: LibJoker-1.0 - if ADDON_LOADED occurs and it's post-PLAYER_LOGIN, collect garbage |
| 20:53.57 | CIA-32 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r45593 10Joker/LibJokerLocale-1.0/LibJokerLocale-1.0.lua: |
| 20:53.57 | CIA-32 | LibJokerLocale-1.0 - fix issues with __newindex. |
| 20:53.57 | CIA-32 | - add proper support for locale namespaces-as-libraries (e.g. Babble) |
| 20:53.57 | CIA-32 | - add unit test |
| 20:54.09 | RaydenUni | wowwiki down? |
| 20:54.52 | RaydenUni | oh up now |
| 20:57.15 | CIA-32 | 03earthbane * r45594 10DKPmon_HellbenderDKP/: |
| 20:57.15 | CIA-32 | DKPmon_HellbenderDKP: |
| 20:57.15 | CIA-32 | - Added externals & standard SVN settings |
| 21:01.52 | CIA-32 | 03earthbane * r45595 10Bidder_HellbenderDKP/ (5 files): |
| 21:01.52 | CIA-32 | Bidder_HellbenderDKP: Initial import |
| 21:01.52 | CIA-32 | - A Hellbender dynamic DKP, zero-sum system plugin for Bidder |
| 21:02.58 | CIA-32 | 03earthbane * r45596 10Bidder_HellbenderDKP/: |
| 21:02.58 | CIA-32 | Bidder_HellbenderDKP: |
| 21:02.58 | CIA-32 | - Update SVN properties after initial import |
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| 21:03.46 | ckknight | hey, anyone French? |
| 21:05.24 | mitch1 | Jan Luc Picard? |
| 21:05.24 | ckknight | I need to translate "I have %d monkeys." and "I have %d monkey." |
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| 21:05.38 | jme | babelfish! |
| 21:05.42 | Amadeo | Hm, Roar was right, Safari does load the Armory faster |
| 21:05.42 | ckknight | ~x en fr I have 1 monkey |
| 21:05.47 | Amadeo | even if it's not perfect |
| 21:05.50 | RaydenUni | mitch Jean |
| 21:05.57 | Jaxon | Amadeo: faster than Firefox? |
| 21:05.58 | DarkImakuni | ckknight: Ich habe ein Tuplad!:P |
| 21:06.05 | mitch1 | ray: darn, busted :) |
| 21:06.08 | DarkImakuni | oh wait thats german :( |
| 21:06.20 | RaydenUni | Wie sagst du Tuplad auf English? |
| 21:06.29 | ckknight | Ich habe ein Affe |
| 21:06.38 | mitch1 | ckk: you don't have %d monkeys anyway |
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| 21:07.24 | mitch1 | how can I change my keybinding so that they activate on KeyDown instead of KeyUp? |
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| 21:15.33 | DarkImakuni | mitch1: <Binding name="BLAH" header="BLAH" runOnUp="true"> if keystate == "up" then DoSomething() end </Binding> |
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| 21:27.14 | CIA-32 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r45597 10Joker/LibJokerLocale-1.0/LibJokerLocale-1.0.lua: LibJokerLocale-1.0 - fix some documentation |
| 21:27.59 | CIA-32 | 03earthbane * r45598 10HellbenderDKP/ (6 files): |
| 21:27.59 | CIA-32 | HellbenderDKP: |
| 21:27.59 | CIA-32 | - FIX: Cloaks bybass elibibility check |
| 21:27.59 | CIA-32 | - FIX: Shields not getting DKP assigned |
| 21:27.59 | CIA-32 | - FIX: Weapon damage DKP being added onto caster weapons |
| 21:28.00 | CIA-32 | - Slew of other changes |
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| 21:29.40 | CIA-32 | 03phyber * r45599 10ManaPerc/ManaPerc.lua: |
| 21:29.41 | CIA-32 | ManaPerc: |
| 21:29.41 | CIA-32 | - It works again. |
| 21:29.55 | kergoth | Cryect, ping |
| 21:35.55 | CIA-32 | 03phyber * r45600 10ManaPerc/ManaPerc.lua: |
| 21:35.55 | CIA-32 | ManaPerc: |
| 21:35.55 | CIA-32 | - Removed two instances of ..., saving precious bytes on peoples hard drives. |
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| 21:36.39 | Gnarfoz | yay, phyber to the rescue |
| 21:36.46 | Gnarfoz | more room for pr0n |
| 21:38.37 | Amadeo | ok, I'm getting better at the Mage |
| 21:38.41 | Amadeo | this class is really powerful |
| 21:38.56 | CIA-32 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r45601 10Joker/LibJokerLocale-1.0/LibJokerLocale-1.0.lua: LibJokerLocale-1.0 - cache globals |
| 21:39.34 | ckknight | phyber: actually since 5.1, ... no longer causes heapification |
| 21:40.21 | phyber | cool. wasn't sure if they would make garbage or not, but they seemed to not be required, so I removed them :) |
| 21:40.48 | ckknight | okay |
| 21:41.25 | phyber | I guess that means that they're always there in the function, no matter if you have function(...) or not? |
| 21:41.55 | DarkImakuni | ckknight: would it be possible to have one giant cache of localisations available to all mods, instead of lots of little ones assigned to lots of little mods? |
| 21:41.57 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.23 | ckknight | DarkImakuni: that's not all that feasible |
| 21:42.30 | kergoth | DarkImakuni, why would you? that wouldnt make much sense, considering its whole sentences and such that are localized.. its not like you're going to look up word by word, so the chances of that being at all beneficial are slim to none |
| 21:43.23 | BankZ | Anyone know way this doesnt work: /castsequence Remove Curse, Abolish Poison |
| 21:44.20 | NeoTron | BankZ: when the spell fails to cast (nothing to debuff), it doesn't advance the sequence I presume? |
| 21:44.31 | DarkImakuni | I just thought that one big pool would help reduce memory usage... that's all |
| 21:44.59 | ckknight | DarkImakuni: no, seeing as strings are interned, it wouldn't help much, probably hurt cause of the extra unused strings |
| 21:45.56 | earthbane | What triggers an update to file.wowace.com when updating an addon? |
| 21:45.59 | mitch1 | is baggins still maintained? developer around? |
| 21:46.12 | mitch1 | earthbane: crond |
| 21:46.38 | earthbane | cool, how often does it run? |
| 21:46.46 | mitch1 | 20mins afaik |
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| 21:51.21 | mitch1 | [ammo]: vio should remember the hidden state of windows |
| 21:53.20 | BankZ | ANyone have a better macro than /castsequence reset=2 Remove Curse, Abolish Poison |
| 21:54.39 | BankZ | err, /castsequence reset=1 Abolish Poison, Remove Curse |
| 21:55.06 | Shirik | uh |
| 21:55.11 | Shirik | yeah |
| 21:55.21 | Shirik | it's called a brain |
| 21:55.32 | Shirik | but if you really have to for whatever reason, /castrandom |
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| 22:00.07 | art3mis | daaaAAAAAAaaaaammmmmn |
| 22:00.16 | art3mis | shirik with the lip outta no where! |
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| 22:00.40 | Shirik | There's some things I get really annoyed by. One of them is trying to get the game to play for you |
| 22:00.56 | Dustwhisper | i remember manual decursing |
| 22:00.59 | Dustwhisper | that was hell on earth |
| 22:01.11 | Shirik | I do it |
| 22:01.14 | Shirik | on a daily basis |
| 22:01.17 | art3mis | i dont |
| 22:01.17 | Shirik | I don't have any trouble |
| 22:01.26 | art3mis | i gave up being a healer/decurser a long time ago |
| 22:01.40 | art3mis | im there as a mana battery and dps you need a dispel ask a pally |
| 22:01.48 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:02.54 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: parrot keeps telling me to riposte but i dont even have that talent! |
| 22:02.57 | durcyn | amazing how you can tell a class by personality |
| 22:03.03 | art3mis | man its only 6pm and i dont feel like being awake anymore |
| 22:03.15 | durcyn | 13 year old aol script kiddie is obviously a shadow priest |
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| 22:03.25 | Diao | lol Arrowmaster |
| 22:03.27 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: so disable the trigger |
| 22:03.28 | Diao | just turn off the riposte notification |
| 22:03.30 | art3mis | laugh i WISH i was a 13 yo aol script kiddie ;P |
| 22:04.10 | art3mis | arrow: parrot obviously knows how to play your class better than you do, time to reroll ;P |
| 22:05.22 | ckknight | hey, is it at all possible to make debugstack() tell the whole details even on large filenames? sometimes it can cut off and you can get ...tographer\Cartographer_SomeModule\SomeModule.lua. |
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| 22:14.18 | CIA-32 | 03phyber * r45602 10ManaPerc/ManaPerc.lua: |
| 22:14.18 | CIA-32 | ManaPerc: |
| 22:14.19 | CIA-32 | - MORE DOTS. Something is getting upset without them, although the Mana Percentages were still being shown |
| 22:15.18 | mitch1 | ckk: what is Parrot doing when it's not doing anything? (no combat, no events) it's the 3rd or 4th cpu eater here |
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| 22:15.38 | ckknight | mitch1: shouldn't be doing much of anything |
| 22:16.18 | mitch1 | that's what I thought, yet it eats up 4-5ms per frame |
| 22:17.02 | mitch1 | DogTag takes its share, too |
| 22:17.19 | ckknight | that seems a bit much |
| 22:18.41 | mitch1 | not much worse than MSBT+MSBT_Cooldowns though |
| 22:19.23 | mitch1 | that's 3-4ms combined |
| 22:19.52 | BankZ | Please add an option to disable the timer bars in BigWigs :) |
| 22:20.00 | vhaarr | BankZ: delete Bars.lua |
| 22:20.13 | BankZ | I update daily :/ |
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| 22:21.02 | Arrowmaster | do the bars have clamp to screen enabled? if not you could move them off the screen |
| 22:21.59 | mitch1 | ckk: and what is DogTag doing? I have no unitframes/tooltip shown, yet it eats 2ms |
| 22:22.17 | ckknight | CowTip? |
| 22:23.23 | BankZ | CowTip better than TinyTip? |
| 22:23.30 | mitch1 | ckk: no tooltips shown |
| 22:23.36 | mitch1 | no unitframes shown |
| 22:23.41 | ckknight | BankZ: arguable |
| 22:24.01 | mitch1 | btw, anyone got a sane CowTip config? :) |
| 22:24.28 | Undine | anyone got an insane one ? :) |
| 22:25.28 | BankZ | vhaarr: Any chance of getting that option? |
| 22:25.30 | Diao | what's sane and insane :P |
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| 22:25.51 | CIA-32 | 03trh * r45603 10VanasKoS/modules/WarnFrame.lua: VanasKoS: fixes some nil pointer errors |
| 22:26.04 | mitch1 | well, sane for me is something that is not the default "debug mode" config :) |
| 22:26.27 | mitch1 | or tutorial mode |
| 22:26.39 | art3mis | anyone doing FTA? |
| 22:26.41 | Shirik | at least on the Lua side |
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| 22:27.07 | mitch1 | shirik: or almost everything is a pointer in lua. depends on POV :) |
| 22:28.34 | Shirik | "In computer science, a pointer is a programming language data type whose value refers directly to (or “points to”) another value stored elsewhere in the computer memory using its address. Obtaining the value to which a pointer refers is called dereferencing the pointer." |
| 22:28.45 | Shirik | You don't have any direct access to the location of memory |
| 22:29.08 | Shirik | With some types, you can find out where it is, but not manipulate where it points, and in no case does it refer directly to the address |
| 22:29.22 | Dustwhisper | If i want to draw say 2000 rectangles in a window, all just simple colored rectangle, how do I do that without rivaling KTM in resource consumption >_< |
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| 22:29.57 | art3mis | get a piece of paper |
| 22:29.59 | art3mis | draw them |
| 22:29.59 | Antiarc|Work | "he most recent feedback we got from the developers was that they were looking into Rogues and their performance in the Arenas, but we have no specific details available that we can share with you at this time. " |
| 22:30.05 | Antiarc|Work | Yay, at least they're aware. |
| 22:30.06 | art3mis | then tapeit tothe screen ;P |
| 22:30.12 | DarkImakuni | lol |
| 22:30.23 | Shirik | Depending on what you're doing, it shouldn't rival KTM |
| 22:30.27 | Shirik | you should only have to draw it once |
| 22:30.27 | mitch1 | shirik: apart from pointer arithmetic, lua "references" act exactly the same as pointers. |
| 22:30.34 | Dustwhisper | it was an attempt at a sad joke =D |
| 22:30.39 | Shirik | References are not pointers |
| 22:30.51 | Dustwhisper | i just heard someone yesterday call about using the same texture reference and texture pooling etc i think |
| 22:31.11 | Antiarc|Work | You can't really have pointers without have access to integers that describe memory locations. |
| 22:31.15 | Antiarc|Work | Which Lua doesn't have. |
| 22:31.23 | mitch1 | shirik: references should use deep copy :P |
| 22:31.58 | mitch1 | compared to, say, c++, lua references are much closer to c++ pointers than c++ references |
| 22:32.15 | Shirik | Why? |
| 22:32.27 | Shirik | Do you have access to manipulate the address? No... only the data within |
| 22:32.30 | mitch1 | they just don't like to say "pointer" 'cos then they think it's a "safe" language |
| 22:32.38 | Shirik | Pointers are a distinct data type |
| 22:32.52 | Shirik | I use pointers in C++ all the time. I don't even use std::string |
| 22:33.01 | pastamancer | if I can't do stupid pointer tricks like in C, it's not a pointer |
| 22:33.09 | mitch1 | shirik: that's what I said. pointer arithmetic is not available, but assigment follows pointer semantics, not reference semantics |
| 22:33.10 | Dustwhisper | yea I use pointers in C++ all the time myself |
| 22:33.20 | Dustwhisper | i often prefer it over std aswell |
| 22:33.20 | Shirik | Uh |
| 22:33.22 | Shirik | Yes it is |
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| 22:33.58 | Shirik | char * foo = new char[20]; strcpy(foo, "Hello world"); std::cout << *(foo+1); |
| 22:34.00 | Shirik | that's valid C++ |
| 22:34.22 | mitch1 | forget pointer arithmetic for god's sake |
| 22:34.29 | mitch1 | I agree that's not present in lua |
| 22:34.37 | mitch1 | but assignment is pointer-ish |
| 22:34.59 | Antiarc|Work | I completely don't follow you, mitch1. |
| 22:35.05 | Shirik | Neither do I |
| 22:35.07 | mitch1 | ok |
| 22:35.08 | mitch1 | see |
| 22:35.10 | Antiarc|Work | Assignment just assigns a reference to a variable. |
| 22:35.21 | Antiarc|Work | You never actually ever get to touch the reference. |
| 22:35.37 | mitch1 | local a, b = { [1 |
| 22:35.39 | mitch1 | doh |
| 22:35.41 | mitch1 | so |
| 22:36.13 | mitch1 | local a = { [1] = 'a' }; local b = a; b[1] = 'b'; print(a[1]) |
| 22:36.39 | Antiarc|Work | Yeah...and? You're passing around by reference there. That doesn't have anything to do with pointers. |
| 22:36.39 | mitch1 | if it weren't pointer-ish, that print would print 'a', not 'b' |
| 22:36.50 | mitch1 | you're not passing, you are assigning |
| 22:36.53 | Antiarc|Work | No, that's just the difference betwen reference and value assignment. |
| 22:37.23 | Antiarc|Work | a holds a reference to a table. It does not hold a pointer to the table. |
| 22:37.25 | mitch1 | sec, mob is killing me |
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| 22:38.13 | mitch1 | well, pointless debate anyway. let's call them references if you vish ;) |
| 22:38.17 | mitch1 | wish even |
| 22:38.34 | Shirik | the distinction wouldn't be important if Lua didn't have a C component to it |
| 22:38.35 | Shirik | but it does |
| 22:38.41 | pastamancer | you might want to read the wikipedia article on Reference_(computer_science) |
| 22:38.52 | mitch1 | I don't |
| 22:39.14 | Shirik | But suffice to say, according to Wikipedia (in the quote I put above) |
| 22:39.19 | Shirik | A pointer is a distinct data type |
| 22:39.24 | mitch1 | ok |
| 22:39.24 | Shirik | You can't say that exists in Lua |
| 22:39.58 | mitch1 | I accept your reasoning |
| 22:40.05 | mitch1 | there |
| 22:40.20 | mitch1 | but antiarc, since you're here, I got a question about omen |
| 22:40.25 | Shirik | in fact, even the pointer wikipedia says "A pointer is a simple implementation of the general reference data type (although it is quite different from the facility referred to as a reference in C++)." |
| 22:40.27 | Shirik | But I'l drop it now |
| 22:40.31 | CIA-32 | 03trh * r45604 10VanasKoS/modules/WarnFrame.lua: VanasKoS: missed one |
| 22:40.39 | Antiarc|Work | Sure, mitch1 |
| 22:40.58 | mitch1 | shirik: but c++ references are quite different to lua refs, so that's not much of an argument here. but let's forget it |
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| 22:41.23 | mitch1 | anti: so, one thing is, Omen comes up even if I have "Show with pet" disabled when I summon my WE |
| 22:41.40 | mitch1 | sorry, "Active with pet" is the option |
| 22:42.01 | Antiarc|Work | Hrm. Okay. |
| 22:42.31 | mitch1 | hm. doesn't do that always. forget it for a while, I'll do a bit of testing |
| 22:42.59 | Antiarc|Work | http://www.tax.ok.gov/plates/GWOT_apr07.jpg |
| 22:43.40 | mitch1 | the second one is, wouldn't it be possible to call EnableMouse(false) for the pulloutbar from an option ("Locked") ? last time you said locking the pulloutbar is a lot of work ahead, but I don't see any problem with just disabling mouse for it |
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| 22:46.31 | Antiarc|Work | I said locking the pullout would be a lot of work? It should be trivial |
| 22:47.11 | mitch1 | oh. must've been an answer to someone else or a misunderstanding then. so, would you like to implement it then? |
| 22:47.35 | mitch1 | back on point 1: Omen comes up after a /reload if I summon my WE |
| 22:47.36 | liquiem | Antiarc: still looking for ros p3 translations? |
| 22:48.34 | yacoob | hehe... |
| 22:48.55 | Antiarc|Work | liquiem: Nah, depricated now that I just have separate mob handling |
| 22:48.59 | yacoob | GuildWars 2 will have a "showroom" where you'd be able to put up your achievements from GuildWars 1 |
| 22:49.05 | yacoob | such showroom would be neat in WoW |
| 22:49.59 | liquiem | Antiarc|Work, is that live? we've done ros 20 minutes ago and threat wipe hasnt worked for p3 so we used manual reset |
| 22:50.10 | Antiarc|Work | Hrm. It should be, for quite some time now |
| 22:50.26 | Antiarc|Work | I'll take the translations if you have 'em though |
| 22:50.59 | liquiem | nah, dont have em. realised to late that they would be important |
| 22:51.03 | Antiarc|Work | No biggie |
| 22:51.35 | liquiem | but, what about checking debuff/aura names? i dont know why it hadnt reset for us :( maybe mixed enGB deDE? |
| 22:53.02 | mitch1 | ckk: still around? got new data for you |
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| 22:57.24 | mitch1 | antiarc: there seems to be some intermingling with the Active when solo and Active with pet settings |
| 22:57.48 | mitch1 | toggling the active with pet enabled/disabled the omen window even when I didn't have a pet around |
| 22:58.09 | Antiarc|Work | Hrm. I've probably got something messed up then ;) |
| 22:58.23 | Kody- | http://events.curse.com/blizzcon/ |
| 22:58.29 | Kody- | Who's going? :P |
| 22:58.31 | mitch1 | even funnier: the omen window appeared when I turned off the active with pet setting (the solo was off, too) |
| 22:59.41 | kergoth | is there a way to see where the buff bars for quartz will show up, or do you just have to set the offset and shit and go attack something? |
| 22:59.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:59.57 | Shirik | unlock them |
| 23:00.20 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:00.26 | kergoth | there is no lock/unlock under the buff module |
| 23:00.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:00.43 | liquiem | there is if you set the bars to free afaik |
| 23:00.46 | Shirik | oh the buff bars |
| 23:01.08 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:01.44 | Shirik | I just targetted/focused myself |
| 23:01.47 | Shirik | and buffed myself |
| 23:04.45 | zeeg | http://events.curse.com/blizzcon/ |
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| 23:05.14 | Kody- | zeeg you newbie |
| 23:05.16 | Kody- | i already linked it |
| 23:06.15 | zeeg | oh |
| 23:06.16 | zeeg | bastard |
| 23:08.15 | dodgizzla | Files sill screwed up? |
| 23:09.00 | Dustwhisper | what does ScrollingMessageFrame inherit from ? |
| 23:09.17 | Ominous | the riding crop and sky breaker whip dont stack do they |
| 23:09.35 | Dustwhisper | i dont think riding crop stacks with anything |
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| 23:09.56 | [dRaCo] | Ominous: +10% mount speed is the cap |
| 23:10.03 | kergoth | isnt ScrollingMessageFrame also a messageframe? /shrug, check wowwiki |
| 23:10.13 | Ominous | ok |
| 23:10.50 | dodgizzla | [dRaCo]: Actually it's not. But you can't get more than +10% via items :D |
| 23:10.58 | [dRaCo] | well, yes. |
| 23:11.10 | dodgizzla | Those damn pallys *shakes fist* |
| 23:11.19 | [dRaCo] | but most talents do not stack |
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| 23:24.09 | dodgizzla | Rabbit Season! |
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| 23:25.05 | Xuerian | ckknight: What about level coloring for DifficultyColor in dogtag on all mobs, instead of just attackable? |
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| 23:32.53 | kenlyric | I'm glad you asked so he can yell at you for asking |
| 23:33.00 | Ominous | pb_ee1: ping |
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| 23:33.44 | CIA-32 | 03cronan * r45605 10XRS/ (XRS.lua localizations/enUS.lua localizations/koKR.lua): |
| 23:33.44 | CIA-32 | XRS: |
| 23:33.45 | CIA-32 | - Add Promote all raid members feature. |
| 23:34.54 | RaydenUni | maybe to play as a death knight you'll have to have a lvl 80 warrior and warlock. and when you make one you lose both of those characters |
| 23:35.39 | Mellow_ | i know this is not really a wowace topic, but does anybody know a good mp3 organizer tool, what I need: I would put all of the mp3s in one big dir, and I need a little tool to seperate it, preferably: [dir]\[First letter of artist]\[Artist]\Album or Year |
| 23:36.29 | Mellow_ | or what should I google? Ive spent my last 1 hour to search on google with music organizer / music collection organizer |
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| 23:36.52 | pastamancer | doesn't foobar 2000 do something like that for you, or does it just mangle the id3 tags |
| 23:37.05 | NightHawkTheSane | i like itunes, but i'm on a mac. :P |
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| 23:37.26 | Amadeo | musikCube is like iTunes for Windows, without the slowness |
| 23:37.36 | Mellow_ | i know itunes, i use it now, but i dont like it |
| 23:37.41 | Mellow_ | too much memory |
| 23:37.46 | Mellow_ | foobar is million times faster |
| 23:37.56 | Mellow_ | at least for me |
| 23:38.02 | Amadeo | If you just want speed, you can use XMPlay |
| 23:38.16 | Mellow_ | i need a simple tool to seperate my mp3s |
| 23:38.23 | Amadeo | an axe |
| 23:38.28 | Mellow_ | or shall i use itunes for it ? |
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| 23:38.35 | Jaxon | ^^ |
| 23:38.35 | Jaxon | Mellow look for something called Tag, its a commandline utility but there is also GUI. |
| 23:38.46 | Mellow_ | commandline is not a problem :o) |
| 23:39.22 | Jaxon | It is quite old though, I'm not sure if you can find it easily. |
| 23:39.31 | Mellow_ | on my way |
| 23:39.38 | pastamancer | you could just write a perl script ;) |
| 23:39.51 | Speeddymon | dang.. |
| 23:40.04 | NightHawkTheSane | pastamancer: lol |
| 23:40.06 | Mellow_ | yep, in the last 30m thats what comes in my mind |
| 23:40.17 | pastamancer | that's what I've done in the past |
| 23:40.26 | Speeddymon | anyone know if it's possible to change the strata of a waterfall dropdown? |
| 23:40.52 | Jaxon | Everything is possible, you just have to believe. |
| 23:40.59 | NightHawkTheSane | I just let itunes keep my music properly organized. for me it works well. |
| 23:41.04 | Speeddymon | every time I go to select a texture from sharedmedia that is in a waterfall dropdown, the top of the dropdown ends up below titan |
| 23:41.14 | Mellow_ | pastamancer: my last problem is, okay i could do it in perl, but now my mp3s id3 are completly silly, one of the artist with ' and the same artist without ' |
| 23:41.19 | Jaxon | Speeddymon: there is your problem, Titan. |
| 23:41.29 | Speeddymon | whats wrong with titan? |
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| 23:41.50 | Speeddymon | it works and does what i want it to do without stealing my minimap buttons |
| 23:41.51 | Trancer | it's a titan in your memory |
| 23:41.52 | Jaxon | It is the KTM of barmods. |
| 23:42.05 | Speeddymon | ehh? |
| 23:42.11 | Jaxon | s/bar/infobar/ |
| 23:42.19 | Mellow_ | Jaxon: tag & rename? |
| 23:42.25 | Speeddymon | never used threatmeters.. so what you mean? |
| 23:42.30 | Jaxon | Mellow sounds familiar, link me. |
| 23:42.31 | Trancer | Speeddymon: it's a memory hog |
| 23:42.34 | Trancer | Speeddymon: and a CPU Hog |
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| 23:42.37 | Mellow_ | http://www.softpointer.com/download.htm |
| 23:42.39 | Trancer | Speeddymon: inefficient code .. |
| 23:43.01 | RaydenUni | <Mellow_> or what should I google? Ive spent my last 1 hour to search on google with music organizer / music collection organizer <-- you could probably do that with a nifty little script |
| 23:43.07 | Jaxon | Mellow_: that'll work, but the one I'm thinking of was freeware. |
| 23:43.15 | pastamancer | Mellow_: if the file names are accurate, that's really easy to do in perl |
| 23:43.47 | Speeddymon | not if you have a badass cpu.. but at any rate, so it sucks memory and was poorly designed performance-wise.. it still does what i need it to do.. and what does the performance have to do with titan being in front of a dropdown anyways? |
| 23:43.51 | dodgizzla | Mellow_: Set up Firefly media server and use a client that suppports DAAP, e.g. iTunes and maybe Amarok |
| 23:44.07 | NightHawkTheSane | pastamancer: isn't there a perl module to read id3 tags? you could do that aswell |
| 23:44.13 | Mellow_ | im using itunes now, but looks like too much memory |
| 23:44.17 | pastamancer | NightHawkTheSane: I believe there is |
| 23:44.27 | pastamancer | there's probably several ;) |
| 23:44.32 | NightHawkTheSane | probably :) |
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| 23:46.19 | Jaxon | Mellow_: aha, the old developer doesn't work on it anymore, but here http://www.synthetic-soul.co.uk/tag/ is the new one |
| 23:46.21 | Mellow_ | hm, it looks like i have to write a small perl script for it :( |
| 23:46.41 | pastamancer | Mellow_: how are your mp3s named currently? |
| 23:46.51 | Mellow_ | well im currently using itunes |
| 23:47.06 | Mellow_ | so e:\music\artist\album\ |
| 23:47.24 | Bruners | how can i add questinfo to Cowtip ? |
| 23:47.34 | pastamancer | ah |
| 23:48.00 | Mellow_ | but i would like to have e:\music\a\artist\album |
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| 23:48.17 | NightHawkTheSane | "a"? |
| 23:48.18 | Bruners | like that i need to kill 8 more mobs 8/16 |
| 23:48.34 | Mellow_ | e:\music contains 2118 subdir |
| 23:48.36 | Jaxon | NightHawkTheSane: I think he wants first artist initial. |
| 23:48.46 | Mellow_ | NightHawkTheSane: in case of artist yep |
| 23:48.49 | NightHawkTheSane | ah |
| 23:49.00 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, a perl script will do that easy |
| 23:49.13 | Jaxon | Mellow_: check out that link above if you aren't motivated enough to write your own script. |
| 23:49.18 | NightHawkTheSane | but you'll have to either turn of itunes managing your library,or stop using itunes altogether. |
| 23:49.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Not that i see the problem with having 2.1k directories, *shrug* |
| 23:49.52 | Mellow_ | im using foobar so not a big deal |
| 23:49.57 | kergoth | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/07/30 |
| 23:50.07 | Mellow_ | Jaxon: thanks i will take a look |
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| 23:51.06 | Mellow_ | yep 2.1k dir, and as i see itunes cuts the filenames |
| 23:51.37 | NightHawkTheSane | "cuts"? |
| 23:52.33 | Mellow_ | i mean if the filename is quite long |
| 23:52.57 | NightHawkTheSane | You have artist, album, or song names longer than 256 characters? |
| 23:53.00 | Mellow_ | like Whatever song name (radio mix) (3-11) |
| 23:53.50 | Mellow_ | 01 Dance Mission (Dj Technix 2005 Rm.mp3 |
| 23:54.00 | Mellow_ | it was 01 Dance Mission (Dj Technix 2005 Rmx).mp3 |
| 23:54.26 | NightHawkTheSane | if itunes is cutting it off like that, then it's probably a malformed id3 tag. |
| 23:55.52 | Mellow_ | how do i check it? |
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| 23:56.22 | NightHawkTheSane | using any number of thousands of tools that let you view/edit an mp3's id3 tags? including itunes itself? |
| 23:57.19 | Mellow_ | well in foobar its ...rmx) |
| 23:57.46 | NightHawkTheSane | iTunes formats directories/file names based on id3 tags, so if itunes is giving you an odd file structure like that, it's most likely a problem elsewhere |
| 23:57.53 | Qaarh | personally, I use MediaMonkey for my library of songs :D It's pretty neat and lets me sort however I want |
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| 23:58.11 | Qaarh | iTunes messed my library up, I'm not starting it again, heh.. |
| 23:58.34 | Mellow_ | i like itunes, kinda good, but not for play music |
| 23:58.51 | NightHawkTheSane | It's always worked flawlessly for me. *shrug* |
| 23:59.01 | Amadeo | You're on a Mac! |
| 23:59.13 | Kyahx | iTunes runs perfect on a Mac, its utter trash on Windows |
| 23:59.13 | Amadeo | Mac apps on Windows are different |
| 23:59.17 | Mellow_ | NightHawkTheSane: itunes sees rmx) as well |
| 23:59.23 | Amadeo | or so everyone says, anyway :) |
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| 23:59.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Amadeo: i'm just saying. ;) |
| 23:59.36 | Amadeo | :) |
| 23:59.43 | Undine | itunes isn't perfect on a mac. much better than windows, but still has some bugs |
