IRC log for #wowace on 20070726

00:00.04Kaydeethreeremove all references to it and the garbage collector should reap it
00:00.42NM|Xinhuanare you certain the GC will remove a Frame that has no references to it?
00:01.07NeoTron_what I've heard is that frames don't go away
00:01.09NeoTron_ever
00:01.19Kaydeethreedunno, but it's worth a shot. maybe not with the current gc implementation
00:01.24Kaydeethreewhich would be kinda annoying
00:01.53NM|Xinhuanhmm
00:04.38CryectFrames are perma around
00:04.55Cryectbecause there is always references to it in the internal code for handling where it should be
00:05.15Cryector at least thats prolly why
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00:06.54NM|Xinhuansad :(
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00:13.59CryectMan, i've really broken Recount >_< heh hard to fix it in a raid
00:14.13WobinI <3 Recount
00:14.19CryectFor some reason
00:14.22Wobinit has all the stats I need plus more
00:14.24Cryectits like resetting the data
00:14.27Cryectin the middle of fights
00:14.38WobinEspecially when figuring out who the hell was standing too close to me in the shatter =P
00:14.42Cryecthaha
00:15.11Wobin"I've got a freaking skull over my head and I'm hiding behind a rock! Don't come near me!" =P
00:15.41CryectSkulls are magnets
00:15.50WobinIt's true
00:15.54WobinI should stick to Moons
00:16.00WobinOr robot nipples
00:17.12CryectOh I know whats broken
00:17.21Cryectautodelete combatants :-p
00:17.44Cryectevery 30 seconds its been deleting everyone just hadn't realizefd
00:17.57Mudkipsso my friend just sent me this
00:18.09Mudkipsbest gaming set up ever ! http://home.comcast.net/~brendan/my_setup4.jpg
00:18.22Cryecthehe
00:18.27CryectI like the picture of Iwata
00:18.55Mudkipsthe awesome writing on the wall killed me
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00:20.05sbmeh thats bad
00:20.52sbi like recount's display/stored data - but since it doesnt sync with violation + sws (>50% raid uses those) - meh :/
00:21.34CryectYeah, I think I'm going to have it semisync with them
00:21.55Cryectsince last sync experiment failed bad
00:22.06KilrooWhat's the site where I can look up my character again?
00:22.14KilrooLost my bookmark.
00:22.17sbwell i think w/o sync its like 99% of raid data
00:22.20sbso mh...
00:24.53Mudkipsahaha rofl http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/6888/bearsonlinets8.jpg
00:25.58NeoTronMudkips: lol
00:26.56Kaydeethreeahaha, that's hilarious
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00:28.37kaiden^ckknight, wishlist for parrot, ability to send layouts to other people ;) and save them, kinda like the sct profiling system... that way you can just send your scroll area locations and fonts and font sizes etc and animation styles to other people
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00:28.51kaiden^btw another wicked mod as usual, thank you for all you do :)
00:30.14art3mis;)
00:31.13Chompers:P
00:31.37sbkaiden^: well - would be fine if its like pitbull's layout system
00:31.53ChompersB d:  < more like it
00:33.34art3misboobies \o/
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00:36.07sbhmm Cryect, whats with buff+debuff recording
00:36.13sbwhere is this data used? (recount)
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00:37.17sboh and btw - your font + texture config is awesome :)
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00:39.03CIA-2203cryect * r44852 10Relog/ (GUI_Table.lua LogWindow.lua Relog.toc):
00:39.03CIA-22Relog - Removes incorrect references to Recount (should have never been there)
00:39.03CIA-22- Removes debug code
00:39.03CIA-22- Adds start of Table code
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00:40.05Cryectsb: it doesn't exist
00:40.12Cryectthe debuff/buff data that is
00:40.19Cryectsome plan that never got implemented
00:40.24sboh :)
00:40.24sbokay
00:40.46CryectI think Relog should work fine for you now btw
00:41.04art3miscryect can you code me a pony?
00:41.15Cryectdepends
00:41.24CryectI think ckknight is better at animal coding
00:41.26art3misall it needs to do is an ascii drawing of a pony running across my screen while  i play wow ;P
00:41.33sbmhhhm
00:41.50buuSo..
00:42.11sbart3mis: you want to have your g/f to play/be interested in wow, right? :p
00:42.13buuWhat are the well dressed raiders using for raid stats these days?
00:42.28sbbuu: mh, raid stats?
00:42.36sbyou mean for post-raid analysis?
00:42.38Mudkipsbuu you aren't from windrunner are you?
00:42.38buusb: Damage, dps, etc
00:42.41buuMudkips: No.
00:42.41sbWWS
00:42.44art3misactually i was thinking maybe it would entertain the kids i borrow from the local playground while they're doing  other stuff ;P
00:42.50sbbuu: http://www.lossendil.com/wws/
00:43.06sbart3mis: oh hm...
00:43.12buusb: Does that do ingame stuff?
00:43.20art3miswifey used to play and got bored and now hates the game
00:43.31art3misi blame gnomes
00:43.34sbbuu: no
00:43.39buusb: That's what I was looking for.
00:43.41sbbuu: violation or recount for ingame
00:43.42art3misand nymbia
00:43.56sbCryect: no errors - but doesnt show any data..
00:44.08sbwell nvm... *disabling again*
00:44.23art3miswhats relog?
00:44.43sbyou know sw unilog?
00:44.44Cryectsomething in development thats supposed to be a replacement for things like Unilog or Omniscience
00:44.45art3misa logger for recount so youdont lose all the data all the timeafter fights?
00:45.02sbwhats Omniscience? :o
00:45.05art3misya know i dont think ive ever usedeither of those
00:45.16art3misi guess i dont care about stats enough
00:45.22sbart3mis: its not about stats
00:45.47art3misokay then if its not about stats what data(not stat related) does it give?
00:45.51AmadeoSo I notice PitBull can import layouts...is there a source for any yet?
00:46.03sbart3mis: combatlog :o
00:46.13art3misama: i think roar was working on something but im not totally sure
00:46.26art3misand what does the combat log show you?
00:46.28sbart3mis: http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot060907225025ni9.jpg - bottom right - thats unilog
00:46.33art3misheh
00:46.40AmadeoInteresting :)
00:46.42sbsortable / filterable
00:47.21sbso e.g. "show me all combat related data (hits, heals) on the main tank"
00:47.42AmadeoLayout would just be the appearance of individual frames, not the way they're positioned on the screen, right?
00:47.48buusb: What is that 'damage done' ?
00:47.58art3misso "stats" ;P
00:48.03sbbuu: violation
00:48.08art3misama: yeah
00:48.10sbart3mis: meh... :p
00:48.14art3mislike the built in layouts
00:48.27art3misfor other uf'slike aguf and perl n stuff
00:48.55AmadeoI need someone to position the damn frames for me :P
00:48.59Amadeoit'll take me a week
00:49.11art3missb: btw the only way you could have gotten out of the non stats thing was "it jumbles letters for your raid boggle game " ;)
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00:49.21art3misoh then yer sol
00:49.41art3misaside from making a backup of yer wtf once you've got em set
00:50.00art3missince the pitbull.lua in there has the settings saved like where they go on the screen etc etc etc
00:50.11Amadeoyeah, I figured
00:50.16AmadeoJust have to spend time with it
00:50.46art3misso technically if you find a screen/ui layout you like you could askthem for thier wtf lua's ;)
00:50.50NightHawkTheSaneart3mis: wtb a raid boggle mod.
00:51.00Amadeosb's is pretty nice ;)
00:51.46art3misnight: no shit eh? i was thinking that i wanted that mod right after i typed it ;P
00:51.57sbmh its from 1.5 months ago :o
00:52.02sbneed new screenshots.. mhm..
00:52.03AmadeoI like the layout
00:52.08Amadeoof everything, really :)
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00:52.49AmadeoI'm bad at making my interface pretty
00:53.17art3miswww.jennacomix.com
00:54.04AmadeoYou run 1600x1200, sb?
00:54.08sbyep
00:54.32Amadeowhat's the square minimap?
00:54.48sbsimpleminimap
00:54.49art3misricominimap > squeenix
00:54.53art3misand simple ;P
00:55.06KeiasWhat does ricominimap do that the other's don't?
00:55.24art3misthe word rico obvious
00:55.26art3misduh
00:55.33art3misobviously
00:55.35art3mis;)
00:55.49NightHawkTheSanereally? I'm SOLD! :P
00:55.53sbAmadeo: new screenshot in a few minutes ;o
00:55.57durcynit's the mobster's minimap.
00:55.57Amadeook :)
00:56.01art3misi dunno it's got afew functions that squeenix didnt have like setting coords, hiding buttons etc
00:56.14AmadeoI liked square minimaps, but the buttons around them never fit right in the past
00:56.24art3misminibuttonbag
00:56.38art3misgathers em all into asingle button and then expands in straight lines
00:57.15KeiasDoes it have border options?
00:57.22KeiasCause thats one of the only reasons I use Squeenix
00:57.29Keiasfor the black/rounded borders
00:57.40art3misyeah
00:57.52KeiasI'll have to check it out
00:57.55art3misand you can swap between square and round if'n yer bored
00:58.00Keiaswell I mean like
00:58.03Keiasthe border artwork
00:58.06art3misnods
00:58.06KeiasI guess you can say lol
00:58.13art3misthats why i used the word "and" ;)
00:58.26art3misi think it's got a "nurfed" border option
00:58.47NightHawkTheSaneminimap buttons are so 2004.
00:59.38DemetriousNightHawkTheSane, what would you use instead?
00:59.52art3misfubar
01:00.03NightHawkTheSane^^
01:00.03art3misand a hammer blow to his skull once in a while ;)
01:00.12NightHawkTheSanefubar + hide plugin
01:00.14Demetriousart3mis, I use it, still, I do have minimap buttons.
01:00.38NightHawkTheSaneThe only minimap buttons I have are tracking, mail, and bg queue
01:00.45art3misdeme: ya lost me there coach
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01:00.51art3mismail?
01:00.55art3miswhy mail?
01:00.59art3misloser!
01:01.07AmadeoDoes PitBull have ToTT?
01:01.20art3misit has tototototototototototototototototototot
01:01.22NightHawkTheSaneart3mis: *shrug* because i don't see a reason not to?
01:01.37art3mishehe mailfu?
01:01.56art3misjust seems wierd that you still have that when there are at least 4 mail fubar plugins
01:02.00AmadeoI don't see it, I'm surprised
01:02.21sbAmadeo: http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/655/wowscrnshot072607025924ok3.jpg
01:02.43NightHawkTheSaneart3mis: i don't see a reason to use a mod that does nothing but tell me if I have new mail. And I've yet to really care about any other functionality from any of those other mods. :P
01:03.25sbmhh - is there an addon to move those battleground display stuff?
01:03.32sb(move / change font etc..)
01:03.46Amadeosb: very nice :)
01:04.05sbe.g. flag carrier, arathi bases, black morass shield %
01:04.06AmadeoI don't run 1600x1200 though :(
01:04.40art3misnight: but you can hover over the mail icon in the fubar and see whats actually in yer mailbox when you're not near it
01:04.43sbdont like how it looks and WHERE it is :/
01:05.11art3missb: moveanything!+maff, kc_mobility, visor
01:05.17art3misi'd go with kc for the easiest
01:05.41sbart3mis: mh...
01:06.01Cryectbtw whoever was wondering what Relog is here's a pic showing what it currently is (working on adding table display of the data as well)
01:06.02Cryecthttp://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9436/relogem5.jpg
01:06.09sbart3mis: so no specific addon for those frames
01:06.19art3misumm not that i've looked for no
01:06.50Cryectheh and I see thats a pic I recorded when it was still calibrating the millisecond turnover
01:07.41Chompersthere has to be a better way of making 6k honour other than AV
01:07.57sbhm yes... arathi/warsong days ;o
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01:08.09art3misget 10000 friends willing to die over and over without fighting back?
01:09.28buuSo is Pitbull an actual usable unit frames addon, or is it merely a library other addons will use?
01:09.40Keiasaddon
01:10.02buuCool.
01:10.27buuI assume it does nifty things like maybe mobhealth and focus frames?
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01:11.27NightHawkTheSaneart3mis: I don't typically have enough mail in my inbox, nor care enough, for that to be important :)
01:11.34Kaydeethreeya, it'll pull data from mobinfo2 w/ mobhealth or mobhealth 3, can create frames for all the units you want, check the wiki
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01:11.39art3mistouche!
01:11.54buuKaydeethree: I'd love to, but the only thing documented is the API..
01:13.15Kaydeethreeugh, that's annoying. forgot about the changes. the link to the forum should work then
01:13.57buuKaydeethree: I'm reading it..
01:14.01buuNot a lot of actual info
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01:14.43RogueShadowHmm. I use it for solo/party, I  have no experience with raids tho.
01:14.52RogueShadowThere is a focus/ focus target window
01:14.58RogueShadowparty targets windows.
01:15.00RogueShadowpet targets.
01:15.04RogueShadowlot's of targets.
01:15.07RogueShadowtarget of targets
01:15.09RogueShadow....
01:15.17RogueShadowall highly configurable
01:15.17buuHeh, I don't care about raid members anyway.
01:15.24RogueShadow:)
01:15.31buuNot much I can do to them anyway!
01:15.52RogueShadowI have all 40 of them squished in one window assorted by class with just thier health and name
01:16.40RogueShadowdisabled the other windows.  Main tank, main tank targets. toto,  main assist.  targets. target of target. etc.. and all that jazz.  Very modular too
01:18.14sbart3mis: do you know the frame name of that pvp objectives/... frame?
01:18.33GngskAlwaysUpFrame1 and 2, I believe
01:18.47art3misnot a clue
01:18.51Shirikthat's correct
01:18.52sbmh
01:19.01Shirikalso
01:19.02Shirikget devtools
01:19.09Shirikso you never have to ask that again
01:19.12sb:o
01:21.58buuJust to check, there's no way to display 'party frames' like thingies for all the mobs you're trying to kill, right?
01:22.17Shirikyou only can reference "target" and party/raid members' targets
01:22.19Shirikthat's it
01:22.23Shirikand their targets, etc.
01:24.03Kaydeethreeyou could go out to party4targettargettargettargettargettarget if you really want, but your framerate's going to drop to the floor if you get much beyond unittargettarget
01:24.15Shirikthis is true
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01:24.32sbhm okay its WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame
01:24.44ShirikRDX's assists frame could theoretically allow users to go as far as they wanted, but I intentionally restricted it to a depth of 4
01:24.47Shirikfor that very reason
01:25.03Shirikit gets exponentially harder to go deeper and deeper
01:25.10buuEr, wouldn't targettargettarget be.. recursive?
01:25.19Shiriknot necessarily
01:25.31NightHawkTheSaneit could just chain, and often does
01:25.35Shirika targets b, b targets c, c targets d, d targets e
01:25.43Cryectif you are only going to targettarget etc how is it exponetially harder? should just be linear
01:25.44Shirikusually, but not always
01:25.58ShirikDon't ask me, I didn't code it
01:26.00ShirikI just tested it
01:26.03Cryectheh
01:26.07Kaydeethreebecause the client has to stop at each unit in the chain to figure out what the next target is
01:26.31buuI wonder if it would be worth faking by grepping the combat log.
01:26.47CryectThere is some similar issues with their texture/frame setup code that it seems to increase much higher than linear at a certain point
01:26.48buuProbably just massive fails due to units with the same name.
01:26.57Shiriktarget chains are either O(n^2) or O(xn) where X is huge. Either way it's not O(n)
01:27.02Cryectthough it seems it should be restricted enough foor linear
01:27.26art3misnot ot mention grabbing aura data from each target as you go
01:27.44ShirikMy test data is floating on my other computer perhaps I'll grab it later
01:27.55Cryectheh, thats amusing though
01:28.14buuHrm.
01:28.16art3misalthough if you cached say 10 "targets" you could grab it based on a previously stored value for auras anyways
01:28.24buuDoes the combat log show CC breaking early?
01:28.33Kaydeethreeyes
01:28.39Shirikfoo fades from bar
01:28.43ShirikBut that's not necessarily early
01:28.46Kaydeethreeaura is removed by foo
01:28.51buuI'm wondering if there's some mod that will show me CCd things.
01:28.57Shirikwell that's for dispells
01:29.06art3misthersamod that tracks sheeps and shackles
01:29.09buuLike, you go in to a pull, you cc 4 targets, It'd be cool to have 4 targets with Xs show up or something.
01:29.10ShirikBut it could just resist break
01:29.16art3misnot sure if its just for the caster though
01:29.28KaydeethreeI just use BigBrother, it gives me notification if sheeps are broken and who does it
01:29.35KaydeethreeI"ll scan the code real quick, one sec
01:29.52ShirikCCWatch can do it
01:30.06ShirikThough I don't like how it does it
01:30.07buuShirik: That's sort of what inspired me, but the UI looked hideous.
01:30.09Shirikdoesn't sound like english
01:30.22ShirikYeah, I dropped CCWatch a while ago
01:30.39Shirikmostly because I couldn't turn the damn warnings off
01:30.47CryectI need to fix up BigBrother sometime just don't personally use anything besides poly breaking
01:30.53buuThe ui representation seemed to be just timers
01:30.53AmadeoHm, strange...was editing up PitBull with the configuration mode open, finally finished and look over at my latency...says it's 304ms
01:31.05CryectI need to add shackle and the rest
01:31.25Shirikthe UI is really odd, to say the least
01:32.00buu<PROTECTED>
01:32.04buuHealbot for CC..
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01:32.36buuWhy?
01:32.48Shirikway too many reasons
01:32.51buu...
01:33.11Shirikaside from the most important reason, to me, of ethics
01:33.17buuReally?
01:33.18Shirikit being simply derogatory towards healers
01:33.25buuEr, the name or the function?
01:33.53Shirikthe name, first and foremost. Beyond that, its pre 2.0 function
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01:34.10Shirikand there's more, but I don't want to go into a rant against an addon
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01:36.56Shirikthere are other addons that essentially do the same thing, personally I feel better using them
01:37.02Shirikinstead of being called a "bot" every time I try to heal someone
01:37.11Shirikeven if the function is exactly the same
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01:37.54Shirik?
01:37.59AntiarcHealzMastah
01:38.13Sedaigood heals mod?
01:38.39ShirikMost are satisfied with grid and clique. I have my own personal preference but I'm obviously biased
01:38.48ShirikHealzMastah I, sadly, have never heard of
01:38.52Shiriknor have I heard of "!s"
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01:39.15Finnor have I heard of "nods"
01:39.23AntiarcI just made it up. :P
01:39.36Finno! my god the sarcasm ESCAPED ME
01:39.43Shirikescaped me :(
01:39.48ShirikAntiarc is a mysterious fellow
01:39.52SaladinI hate click casting :/
01:39.59Finand click casting hates you
01:40.03Fineven deal
01:40.04SaladinI roll mouseover macros bound to scroll key :P
01:40.09SaladinFin: prolly
01:40.21Finthat *is* click casting, dude
01:40.32Saladinclick casting addons?
01:40.47Finrandom statement?
01:40.58Saladinwell..yeah :(
01:40.59CIA-2203antiarc * r44853 10WhisperBid/WhisperBid.lua: WhisperBid: Drycode fixes, now works.
01:41.03Saladinsorry, a bit tired :P
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01:41.11Finit's OK
01:41.17Finjust save me some of that crack, I'm running low
01:41.36Finit's like, I'm sure I bought enough to last me the week
01:41.58Saladinow sure
01:42.06FinI bet one of you guys has been stealin my crack again
01:43.41SaladinI say like shaggy, "it wasnt me"
01:44.04Finshaggy's a god damn crack whore too
01:44.14CIA-2203antiarc * r44854 10WhisperBid/WhisperBid.lua: WhisperBid: Fix icon
01:44.29Saladinlol
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01:44.48Antiarcquick, what's the easiest way to suppress an outbound whisper?
01:44.59NightHawkTheSanealt-f4?
01:45.15Shirikrofl
01:45.25ShirikAntiarc: I would hook SendChatMessage tbh
01:45.37Shirikyou don't need to secure hook it
01:45.42SaladinDUCKROLL
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01:47.33Saladinhttp://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/070415.jpg
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01:48.08Findepends where you want to hook it and how much you care about interoperability, but I'd hook ChatEdit_SendText
01:49.32AntiarcI just need to suppress automated outbound whispers
01:49.37AntiarcAnd I'm too lazy to look up an example
01:50.19Finwhat's automating them?
01:50.38Shirikok, if it's automated
01:50.39AntiarcMy addon.
01:50.42Shirikthen SendChatMessage() :)
01:50.51AntiarcIt's a trivial operation, I just didn't remember how to do it.
01:51.36Arrowmasterevent is CHAT_MSG_WHISPER_INFORM registered inside of each ChatFrame
01:52.13Shiriklocal SCM = SendChatMessage; SendChatMessage = function(text, ...) if text ~= "Something I don't want to send" then SCM(text, ...) end end
01:52.24Shirikeasy way out
01:52.27Shirikthough not my recommendation
01:52.30AntiarcThat fully suppresses it
01:52.36AntiarcI need to suppress it going to the chatlog
01:52.37Shirikisn't that what you wanted to do?
01:52.37AntiarcSorry. :)
01:52.41Shirikoh
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01:52.48Finfunction AntiarcsAddOn:SendText(editbox) local text = editbox:GetText() local type = editbox:GetAttribute('ChatType') if type == 'WHISPER' and text:match('something') then return end end
01:53.28FinI think
01:53.36Finit might be editbox:GetHeader()
01:53.52AntiarcThanks
01:55.18Saladinsigh@drunk Main Tanks...second one today
01:55.38Finand leading raids
01:55.46Saladinhow about pissed female tanks giglging on ts?
01:55.47Finwell, not drunk to start with
01:55.59GagorianSaladin: That's about the worst thing ever
01:56.00Finbut after a 4-5 hour raid I was normally pretty pissed
01:56.17SaladinIt was terrible
01:56.18GagorianWe have two female tanks
01:56.26Finphwoar
01:56.33Findo they mud wrestle and stuff
01:56.43GagorianYes, and have bear asses
01:56.45FinI bet they do
01:56.46SaladinAnd the healer starts breathing heavily when he concentrates, so someone is constantly panting in my ears...higly disturbing
01:57.08Saladinhe has voice activation
01:57.11Finfuckin tell him to mute himself
01:57.20GagorianWe have 6 females in our raid section
01:57.24Finbind a key to mute mic in the settings, that's what I do
01:57.34AntiarcBoth our MTs are female
01:57.40AntiarcOne plays a male dwarven warrior
01:57.41break19or.. just ask him to "dude.. if your gonna jack off, do it quietly" that might get him to stop :P
01:57.43AntiarcThe other plays a bear ass
01:58.04Finyou know, you can mute people on TS, it's only a local setting
01:58.08GagorianMale dwarven warrior and female?
01:58.11GagorianThat's disturbing
01:58.11Saladinwell, I tell him every raid to turn it off, but he says his push-to-talk function is broken
01:58.13AntiarcYes
01:58.15Saladinand imo I kinda like it
01:58.21KaydeethreeoO;
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01:58.27Kaydeethreeodd thing to tab back in to
01:58.30Finsaladin, so, get him to bind a key to mute mic
01:58.33break19Gagorian: makes sense.. lots of chick gamers get tired of the constant "zomg! boobs!" crap
01:58.36Saladinhehe
01:58.56Finwhat's wrong with that?
01:59.03Finboobs are awesome
01:59.26break19thank you for proving my point for me :P
01:59.33Gagorian:D
01:59.34NightHawkTheSanewhat do poorly rendered boobs on a character model have to do with anything, though? :P
01:59.40QuantumDeltaSaladin mute now before you go gay :P
01:59.45SaladinLOL
02:00.01KemayoNightHawkTheSane: Given the existence of nude texture patches, I'm assuming... enough.
02:00.01FinI'm quite happy to prove your point in this case, because I truly believe that breasts are one of the most wonderful things in the world
02:00.10Saladinwell at mI am just doing heroic Undarblog
02:00.11NightHawkTheSaneKemayo: I don't get that either, but meh.
02:00.36FinI'd hope that if females found something about men that awesome, they'd say good things about it too
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02:00.43Finthey don't, though
02:00.52GagorianThe man needs to look like a spartan
02:00.54break19depends
02:00.56GagorianThen it's fine
02:00.57Saladinwell, I bet that somewhere, in some dimension, there is an IRC channel where women dominate
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02:01.06SaladinAnd chitchat about men
02:01.11art3missaladin: lies!
02:01.11Saladinhow they know they want us
02:01.23art3misi mean really
02:01.25NightHawkTheSaneSaladin: not possible. There aren't really any girls on the internet.
02:01.32break19heh
02:01.34art3misif you had boobs would you have een able to create the internet?
02:01.36QuantumDeltathere's a 'private female only' channel on my server
02:01.39break19GIRLs are all over the place
02:01.43Saladinand all the hot addon maker girls are sighing because there arent enough men
02:01.43Finif I had boobs I wouldn't have to play WoW
02:01.48QuantumDeltawhich I seem to get dragged in, through, and then thrown out the other end quite frequently x_x
02:01.48Kaydeethreewhat's the saying? "the men are men, the women are men, the kids are FBI agents"?
02:01.51break19Guy In Real Life :p
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02:02.09SaladinInternet - where men are men, women are women, and little girls are FBI agents
02:02.11QuantumDeltahaha
02:02.22Finmy gf is in full agreement with me about breasts incidentally
02:02.37NightHawkTheSaneFin: that they're awesome?
02:02.37FinOK that's a lie
02:02.47Finshe'll come around though
02:02.52GagorianYou and your GF agree about her boobs on a constant basis?
02:02.59Gagorianwell good thing you have a healthy relationship
02:03.05NightHawkTheSanemost of my female friends are of the opinion that boobs are awesome.
02:03.14Saladinwhy shouldnt they?
02:03.14Finwell, no, I was just saying that because I'd like it to be true
02:03.19Saladinboos ARE awesome
02:03.24break19my wife and I have a healthy relationship. if she shows them to me, i assume she means to do something about it..
02:03.37break19if she hides them.. then I know to stay on my side of the bed.
02:03.38Finshe actually restricts access to her breasts quite unfairly I think, it's a very one-sided relationship
02:03.55SaladinAnd? its still tits
02:04.07NightHawkTheSaneFin: well they are hers. :P
02:04.10FinI should have full and open access to breastage, it should be my right
02:04.41FinNightHawkTheSane: but it's not fair to keep something like that all to yourself!
02:04.57art3mislaugh fin, thats the arguement i use on my wife
02:05.06art3miswe're married so technically they're mine as well
02:05.08NightHawkTheSaneFin: on the other hand.. I find your ideas intriguing and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
02:05.30FinI shall write a manifesto!
02:05.44RogueShadowbreak19: Aren't you too mature to be playing this game?  
02:05.54break19Mammary Manifesto ?
02:05.58Saladinlol
02:05.59FinThe Breast Barrier: Why Men Need Breasts Too
02:06.00art3misshe says "how would you like if it i grabbed your penis all the time" to which i just smile since i don't need to explain that i'm prefectly fine with that
02:06.08Saladinaye
02:06.18Kaydeethreescream and look for a shirt, then a frying pan?
02:06.18Kaydeethree>.>;
02:06.20Finart3mis: I have had a similar conversation with my girlfriend
02:06.40break19RogueShadow: that does not compute
02:06.42SaladinMy girlfridn only react if I start grabbing in public
02:06.42art3misits not even about sex most ofthe time, they'rejust awesome to touch and play with ;P
02:06.49Saladinand then its only "do you feel cool now?"
02:06.55break19so.. Im old.. so I should be a fuddy duddy and not play games?
02:07.02FinI don't quite know how but I lost the argument... weird, it's so clear and logical now
02:07.02break19please.
02:07.11Finart3mis: fuck yeah! awesome
02:07.17RogueShadowbreak19: Since when does age make you mature? lol
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02:07.31Saladinhaha
02:07.32Finart3mis: although I will admit to breasts being a bit like marijuana in that respect
02:07.33break19RogueShadow: it doesnt *always*.. but it usually does
02:07.34art3misthat and it makes me giggle that without fail i can find and make her nippleshard ;P
02:07.34Saladinthis is the internet
02:07.40Finthey do lead on to harder things
02:07.51art3miseven if its just a quick grope ;)
02:07.56Saladinor a pinch
02:07.58RogueShadowI envy the people around you then. hehe.
02:08.02art3misor pinch
02:08.06RogueShadowWhere you can trust and adult is prabably mature.
02:08.07Droolioanyone know what ChatHead does in Prat?
02:08.15SaladinSSH! no one knows!
02:08.16Finsort of, Droolio
02:08.27Finit's for an addon called ChatHead that's being written
02:08.29art3missomething about ne females messaging you a/s/l
02:08.30Kaydeethreewow, lag
02:08.31FinI'm not sure if it's been released yet
02:08.38Drooliooh
02:08.40Saladinhaha
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02:09.03break19RogueShadow: i know a few adults that arent.. but they're quickly put in their place when kids half their age say "dude.. grow up.. even I'm not that immature" heh
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02:09.31break19and the rest of us laugh at them
02:09.39break19.. and agree openly :)
02:09.46RogueShadow:)  Let's start a cutting edge movement.  Send mature little kids into clubs to tell 30 somethings to grow up.
02:09.59Finthey can distribute my Breast Manifesto
02:09.59break19lol
02:10.08FinBreastifesto
02:10.14break19fin: you should use alliteration.. mammary manifesto
02:10.15FinManibreasto
02:10.34NightHawkTheSaneI like Breastifesto better
02:10.43break19nah.. its too.. obvious
02:10.54Saladinbreastifesto
02:10.54Finbreak19: I prefer squishing, but I'd give you 4 points for attempting alliteration
02:11.03break19subtlety is the way to go
02:11.13Kaydeethreesomeone mind /ctcp pinging me? xchat keeps giving me weird numbers
02:11.15FinI quite like Manibreasto
02:11.17NightHawkTheSanepsh. breasts arn't subtle, why should a manifesto be.
02:11.23break19oh yea kay, I'll ping ya
02:11.25Fin[04:17:24] [Freenode] CTCP PING reply from Kaydeethree: 0.575 seconds
02:11.48break19mine was... nothing
02:11.54Gngsk::: CTCP PING reply from Kaydeethree: 0.375 seconds
02:11.59break19(21:11) CTCP PING reply from Kaydeethree:
02:12.00break19and thats it
02:12.08Kaydeethreeheh. thanks all
02:12.21Finthat'll be 4 quid please
02:12.29Kaydeethreethat's like 25usd!
02:12.32break19squid? as payment?
02:12.55Finheh, no shit, the dollar's not a happy bunny right now
02:13.05break19fin: means inflation is lo
02:13.07break19low*
02:13.17NightHawkTheSaneno, it just means the dollar is tanking.
02:13.17break19which.. is a good thing
02:13.18Kaydeethreeit's bad, I can't make jokes about canadian money being worthless any more, getting close to 1-1
02:13.23Finthat joke is so old it has to use a zimmer frame
02:13.26QuantumDeltahow can it's value being shit mean inflation is low?
02:13.32Finspin it how you like :)
02:13.35QuantumDeltait maek nu zense
02:14.12break19lets skip this. i'd rather not get into this discussion
02:14.29NightHawkTheSaneAgreed, I already know how this ends up ;P
02:14.31break19cuz a lot of people in here will go from liking/tolerating me.. to outright hating me.. very quickly.
02:14.44NightHawkTheSaneoh, thats okay, I already do. :D
02:14.48break19heh
02:15.25Finyeah
02:15.27Finfinance is boring
02:15.33Finpolitics is boring and frustrating
02:15.43Finsex is a good subject
02:15.48Finbeer maybe
02:15.50Finaddons?
02:15.52NightHawkTheSanebeer is good
02:15.59break19subject.. forget talking about it..
02:16.00Finin so many ways
02:16.09Saladinaddons is an overused topic
02:16.12Finforget what?
02:16.12QuantumDeltahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ-xcgBL1mY# <- Win
02:16.13break19<homer>mm beer</homer>
02:16.22Saladinlol
02:16.23NightHawkTheSaneso.. do I want garlic chicken pizza and beer tonight? Or Chicken Kiev and green beans and beer?
02:16.31break19I feel like chicken tonite
02:16.34break19like chicken tonite
02:16.35Saladin#include <beer.h>
02:16.37Finlike chicken tonite
02:16.40break19lol
02:16.43kergothwow, i had no idea blinding powder sells on the AH.  yay for stupid rogues giving me moneys!
02:16.46FinI can't believe it's not butter
02:16.53break19kergoth: heh
02:16.57NightHawkTheSanebutter? I hardly know her.
02:17.08SaladinI cant believe its not butter either :(
02:17.08Finboom!
02:17.12Fin5 points
02:17.13Kaydeethreecan i has beer?
02:17.25Finyay go
02:17.40break19<PROTECTED>
02:17.59twinight2heh
02:17.59NightHawkTheSanethat's not beer, :P
02:18.06break19is so
02:18.07twinight2is the most recent updater dl screwed?
02:18.15NightHawkTheSaneis not. its just pisswater in a bottle.
02:18.24break19not the good stuff
02:18.33break19the light, ultra is.. but not the lager :)
02:18.39Kaydeethreemeh. I'm a poor college student. I drink bud light
02:18.44break19eww
02:18.47SaladinEW
02:18.47QuantumDelta"Sir, I don't have anyone else on scope, you're home free, it's going to be alright." "No it isn't, you don't understand, you weren't there. I can feel them following me. *Jump portals open* OH MY GOD, I'M DEAD, WE'RE ALL DEAD!"
02:18.48break19now THATS pisswater
02:18.51NightHawkTheSaneIll believe it when you pour it down my cold dead throat. :P
02:19.02SaladinI am a spoilt norwegian brat, I drink hansa *burps*
02:19.04break19besides.. if yer broke, you should be drinking schlittz
02:19.10Kaydeethreebetter than natty or miller
02:19.42break19my bro in law loves miller light
02:19.45NightHawkTheSaneI've got black butte porter here.
02:19.47Saladinbudweiser is originally polish btw
02:19.49break19maybe since his last name is miller.....
02:20.03art3mishah i find  it funny americans sitting in here talking about good beer with euros ;P
02:20.13break19but if were talking import, I'll take a becks dark
02:20.26art3misand i read polish as like a floor polish ;)
02:20.40art3misschlittz gay!
02:20.42NightHawkTheSaneart3mis: what's funny about it? There are plenty of perfectly respectable beers made in the US. and not all of us drink mass market swill :P
02:20.50Finalso! Czechs drink more beer per capita than anywhere else in the world
02:20.53art3misi dont drink beer at all
02:20.57break19NightHawkTheSane: yay microbreweries
02:20.57Finhttp://prague.tv/toys/beer/
02:21.06art3misgrey goose patron and bacardi for me ;)
02:21.18break19pfft. hard stuff? wild turkey
02:21.33Finart3mis: that's fine, but I'm afraid I won't be able to talk to you anymore
02:21.51art3misthats alright, ill write messages to ya on yer girlies bum when i leave ;)
02:22.01art3misba-zing!
02:22.23art3misfor some reason though lately ive had a craving for disarano sours
02:22.27art3misnot sure why
02:22.30Finthat reminds me, before we cease communications, please let your wife know I want my money back
02:22.33Finka-zow!
02:22.42break19fin, need some help with a comeback?? you coulda said "fine, I'll leave my response on your mom's forehead when shes done"
02:22.52Finwhat's a disaron disaraon
02:22.56Findisarano sour?
02:23.11art3misits an amaretto
02:23.14break19mm
02:23.16art3miswith sourmix
02:23.16Finthanks break
02:23.22Finhmm
02:23.27Finsounds nice
02:23.40Finwhy's it called a disathing?
02:23.43art3misif ypou've not had amaretto i suggest it as a drink after dinner
02:23.46art3misthats the brand
02:24.07Finoh
02:24.07art3misits got such a great smell and taste but its likea warm fire down your throat
02:24.15kergothdisarono is awesome, nice and smooth
02:24.20Finhave to say, amaretto and disarano are two very gay words
02:24.25Finnot that there's anything wrong with being gay
02:24.34break19want a burn? try out some "Diesel"
02:24.35art3misits also around 30%
02:24.49art3misnot  like your typical 5% gaybeer ;)
02:25.06Finbreak19: burn... diesel? ye gods man are you safe to be around?
02:25.08break19its a 200 proof hard liquor.. but it's.. concentrated.. so...
02:25.14art3miskergoth:international creamers used to make an amaretto for coffee
02:25.16break19no.. its a brand of liquor
02:25.18art3misit was awesome
02:25.21kergothooh
02:25.33art3mishavent seen it since i moved from .ca though
02:25.51art3mismight just be another thing the east coasts sucks for ;P
02:26.12Finmy absolute favourite is sambuca
02:26.13break19its local to Lousiana...
02:26.22FinI can't do that stupid coffee bean thing, though
02:26.22art3misi only started drinking like 2years ago too
02:26.26NightHawkTheSaneart3mis: nah, im sure i've seen it when i lived out in new york. *shrug*
02:26.40NightHawkTheSane(amaretto creamer, that is)
02:26.46art3misnight: yeah i ahvent seen it since they went from the milk carton containers to the plastic bottles
02:26.52break19i've seen em in walmart, and Im in alabama :p
02:27.03NightHawkTheSanealabama's  not the east.
02:27.11art3mismight have to go to jersey or li to get it though
02:27.13NightHawkTheSanein fact, we're trying hard to make it not the us either. :P
02:27.32break19you're cruisin.. :P
02:27.47break19I'll send the whole state after you..
02:27.48break19all 15 of us
02:28.08art3misthats 15 seperate genes?
02:28.15NightHawkTheSaneart3mis: no, only like 5
02:28.17break1915 separate people :p
02:28.32break19I had marry someone from PA to make sure I didnt marry a cousin.
02:28.42art3misalabama the only state where a broom handle can accurately represent the evolution ;)
02:29.08break19nah. the broom handle represents your wife's new car.
02:29.14break19booya
02:29.23Saladinbroom mount anyone?
02:29.23NightHawkTheSanebreak19: my condolences for marrying someone from pa. :P
02:29.26art3misi dont get that one
02:29.44art3misoh wait you're saying shes a witch?>
02:29.46break19shes a witch.. she rides a broom.. bah aint funny if ya gotta explain
02:29.50art3misahh
02:29.53art3miscoooool
02:30.03NightHawkTheSanewell it wasn't particularly funny to begin with, so :P
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02:30.30art3mishehe i watched happily n'ever after the other day and i kept telling her she needs to do her hair like the eveil step mother and wear more dresses like the stepmother ;P
02:30.35break19your just jealous cuz my mac is nearly a classic now.
02:30.50Finnearly
02:30.52Finright
02:30.52art3misso are yer mac daddy lines ;P
02:30.57break19heh
02:31.04art3miscuz yer wiggity wigggity wiggity whack!
02:31.07break19true.. but I dont practice
02:31.36break19i just heard the xp bootup sound?? there aint an XP system in the house.. wtf?
02:31.49break19maybe it was on the tv
02:31.51art3misthats your new microwave
02:31.55break19oh god.
02:31.57art3misi suggest you get lead underwear
02:32.07art3misyou REALLY dont want that thing to crash
02:32.09break19and keep the fire dept on standby for when it "crashes"
02:32.30SaladinThe Black Stalker on Heroic = so EZ mode I wanna puke
02:34.22break19back to booze.. I remember in my younger days... my college roomie and I made jello shots.. using some of my uncle's banana shine.
02:34.49break19we were both 100% plastered
02:35.56break19and no.. it dont taste like bananas.. it burns so much you cant really taste anything.. you NEVER want to drink it straight unless you're already drunk off your ass.. and then you'd better be careful.. real careful.
02:36.45Finwow
02:36.56Finbanana jelly shots
02:36.59break19he gave me a shot of that when he found me and a couple friends off in the field with a couple beers.. I was 14... one of our friends had "lifted" a 6pack from his dad's stash...
02:37.12Fintell you what would be nice, frozen banana shots
02:37.22NightHawkTheSaneThis is disturbing.. http://youtube.com/watch?v=3uxTpyCdriY
02:37.39break19he said "make a deal with ya.. you drink this shot of shine straight... i wont tell your dad.. if you cant hold it down, I will"
02:37.49break19needless to say. he told my dad. lol
02:38.34CIA-2203rabbit * r44855 10SinkLib/Sink-1.0/Sink-1.0.lua: .Sink-1.0: Fix bigwigs sink if the Messages module doesn't exist.
02:38.45break19I downed it in 1 gulp... and passed out for an hour.. I woke up in my bed with a note on the pillow "when you wake up.. you're gonna wish you hadnt.. dad"
02:39.26break19needless to say.. it was a LONG time before I drank.. lol
02:40.51break19i was mad at uncle richter for a long time... "thought we had a deal" 'yep. deal was, you could hold it.. you passed out.. that aint holdin it"
02:44.25Saladinim off to bed :/
02:44.25Saladinnite
02:44.32NimbleRabityou guys have an issue wehre some bindings stop working in combat only sometimes?
02:44.37Fingoodnight
02:44.59ckknighthey all, back
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02:46.42ZealotOnAStickwhich is a better Worms game, World Party or Armageddon?
02:46.49ckknightAntiarc|Work: still need to know how?
02:47.39ckknightkaiden^: I was thinking about an options export thing like PitBull has
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02:58.35AmadeoWhich Battlegroup is 9?
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03:07.19Amadeowow, Curse has a great layout now
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03:08.15Guillotineamadeo: glad you think so ^_^ Try the dark skin. I like it so much better
03:08.52Findoes anyone know of any armory tool that lets you find people with particular professions?
03:09.03AmadeoI probably have to have an account for that, eh? :)
03:09.18RogueShadowwelcome back ckknight
03:15.37CIA-2203rabbit * r44856 10SinkLib/Sink-1.0/Sink-1.0.lua: .Sink-1.0: Add :RegisterSink.
03:18.40CIA-2203rabbit * r44857 10SinkLib/Sink-1.0/Sink-1.0.lua: .Sink-1.0: Allow a nil description to :RegisterSink and use L_ROUTE then.
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03:23.16CIA-2203rabbit * r44858 10WitchHunt/ (7 files in 3 dirs): WitchHunt: Use Sink-1.0 for output, and register the witchhunt message frame as a global sink.
03:24.28AmadeoWhat's the green bar that appears outside of my self frame in PitBull when I heal?
03:24.48Finoverhealing, probably
03:25.42Amadeohm, I see
03:26.38Mecdemortis there a way to cancel all of bigwigs delayed messages, say in the event of a wipe?
03:28.50Arrowmasterone of the modified clicks on the fubar icon resets all running modules, which stops all delayed messages
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03:33.54AntiarcSo, it turns out that not only does this not parse, it crashes WoW
03:33.55Antiarchttp://ace.pastey.net/71340
03:33.59AntiarcWhen you load up
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03:35.01NightHawkTheSaneAntiarc: looks like you're missing a double quote in there? would that affect it?
03:35.06AntiarcYes, that was the problem
03:35.12AntiarcBut in that form, it #132's wow
03:35.18NightHawkTheSanehmm
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04:04.09CIA-2203antiarc * r44859 10WhisperBid/WhisperBid.lua: WhisperBid: Add realtime bid list into Tablet (if available) with GameTooltip fallback
04:06.40loonacyIs there a DogTag for unit type?  Like Beast, Humanoid, Demon, etc?
04:10.54CIA-2203roartindon * r44860 10Aloft/Modules/Alpha.lua:
04:10.54CIA-22Aloft
04:10.54CIA-22- Since AloftAlpha's update is called potentially thousands of times a second, make a local cache of UnitExists
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04:14.27CIA-2203sayclub * r44861 10SinkLib/Sink-1.0/Sink-1.0.lua: .Sink-1.0: Added localization koKR
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04:16.42CIA-2203roartindon * r44862 10Aloft/Modules/Alpha.lua:
04:16.42CIA-22Aloft
04:16.42CIA-22- Alpha, instead of calling UnitExists for each nameplate, call it once when target is changed, store that value, and save lots of function calls
04:23.13ckknightloonacy: Creature, I believe
04:30.31kebinusananyone know on leo sub 15% if you get aggro on his demon if you can LoS dance him around the pillar to avoid so many chaos blasts
04:38.29loonacyckknight:  Thanks, seems that Creature returns the same as Race, but CreatureType works.
04:38.41ckknightthat's it
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04:49.01CIA-2203antiarc * r44863 10WhisperBid/WhisperBid.lua: WhisperBid: Fixed an auction-close with one bidder bug.
04:52.28CIA-2203sayclub * r44864 10WitchHunt/locales/koKR.lua: WitchHunt: Updated koKR
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04:57.09Finanyone here have to get the tube to work?
04:57.25QuantumDelta"the tube" ?
04:57.55Finit's what people in London call the London Underground
04:58.11QuantumDeltaYes but
04:58.16Finit's what the London Underground call the London Underground
04:58.20QuantumDeltait could be taken in several contexts :P
04:58.27Finplease, take it how you like
04:58.42QuantumDeltaNo, I don't (living in bristol) :p
04:58.47QuantumDeltaused the tube during rush hours tho
04:58.52Finanyone who takes it in a context other than it was meant can only make things interesting
04:58.56Finah, k
04:58.59QuantumDeltafuckin' cattlemarket
04:59.03Finwell, you might appreciate this anyway: http://www.fridaytowers.com/fitness/gig.php
04:59.27Fin(I mean, the song that you can play from that page)
04:59.48QuantumDeltaLOL
05:00.09QuantumDeltaHAHAHAHAHA
05:00.41QuantumDeltaThat's great.
05:00.43JaxonSigh, MacAceUpdater makes addons disappear from my interface directory
05:03.51CIA-2203mecdemort * r44865 10BigWigs_WaveTimers/ (. BigWigs_WaveTimers.toc WaveTimers.lua): BigWigs_WaveTimers: -various changes: Added more verbos warnings, Adjusted wave times, Removed boss respawn times (addon now resets on wipe), Improved efficiency
05:04.02QuantumDeltabut yea Fin
05:04.22QuantumDeltaYoutube slang, slang for TV too
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05:07.46kebinusanbah 1% leo wipe
05:08.24QuantumDeltaleo is such a joke if you have a pally/lock tanking combo
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05:13.50NightHawkTheSaneyeeeee~!!! drive episodes 5 and 6
05:14.02ckknightNightHawkTheSane: srsly?
05:14.15ckknightI thought it sucked, but it really got going ep 3-4
05:14.25NightHawkTheSaneckknight: aye. watching 5 right now.
05:14.27ckknighttoo bad it was canceled
05:14.30ckknightdid the uncancel?
05:14.38NightHawkTheSaneI've heard it was uncancelled
05:14.54ckknightoh, btw,
05:15.01ckknightThe Kill Point seems like a good show
05:15.09ckknightwatched ep 1+2
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05:15.34NightHawkTheSanewhat's it about?
05:15.34ckknightNightHawkTheSane: where are you getting it from?
05:15.40ckknightNightHawkTheSane: bank robbery
05:15.40NightHawkTheSanetvtorrents.com
05:16.03ckknightfocused on the robbers mostly instead of the cops
05:16.42NightHawkTheSaneinteresting
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05:21.35CIA-2203antiarc * r44866 10WhisperBid/WhisperBid.lua: WhisperBid: Added the ability to remove bids (with confirmation). Click the tablet entry, use the dewdrop menu, or /wr remove <name>
05:22.55CIA-2203aliset * r44867 10SendSelf/Locale-deDE.lua:
05:22.55CIA-22SendSelf:
05:22.55CIA-22- Fix for German translation. Whoops.
05:24.28CIA-2203antiarc * r44868 10WhisperBid/WhisperBid.lua: WhisperBid: Update the tooltip when we put an item up for bids.
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05:28.51ZealotOnAStickWhee.
05:28.55ZealotOnAStickKael'thas down, finally.
05:29.03ZealotOnAStickNew fucking content.
05:29.07Benumbedgratz
05:29.16ZealotOnAStickand a massive video editing project for me, 28.6 gigs of capture.
05:29.17Benumbedwe are still stuck on hogger
05:30.50Benumbedis it possible to dewdrop:Open and that dropdowns actions depend on what that button has in it?
05:30.59ckknightZealotOnAStick: grats.
05:31.14ckknightBenumbed: oh yea
05:31.24Benumbedapi doc has me lost qq
05:31.30ckknightBenumbed: hogger is a menace to all of Azeroth
05:31.40Benumbedindeed
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05:33.05Benumbedsay there is 10 buttons, each might have data and some will..feed info from that button into the dewdrop..easiest way?
05:33.16Benumbedmight not have data and some will rather
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05:42.57Silviu-Antiar4 where is it ? ;p
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05:47.05Antiar4Where's what?
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05:47.48Silviu-;)))
05:48.08Silviu-Invazion
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05:50.30etip!api RegisterDefaults
05:50.31ThraeBotetip: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_RegisterDefaults
05:50.40etipmeh
05:51.19etipis there any way to see the data saved in a profile registered through RegisterDefaults ?
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06:00.51ThianaFor LoD ace2 addons, OnEnable is fired right after OnInit correct?
06:01.23Thianaetip: self.db.profile
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06:13.15loonacyWhat is the meaning of ${unit} in DogTag's tags?  I've been looking and I can't find what the $ is supposed to do.
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06:16.41Diaohmm
06:16.41Diaowho wrote bosswhisperer
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06:29.18Silviu-~seen vharr
06:29.39purlSilviu-: i haven't seen 'vharr'
06:30.19CIA-2203fenlis * r44869 10WitchHunt/locales/koKR.lua:
06:30.19CIA-22WitchHunt :
06:30.20CIA-22<PROTECTED>
06:30.44Silviu-~seen vhaarr
06:30.45purlvhaarr <n=folk@9.84-234-132.customer.lyse.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 14h 20m 11s ago, saying: 'works here'.
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06:45.08ckknightloonacy: ${unit} is replaced with the unit variable currently being used
06:46.42hasteckknight: put a ban on loldongs, or his ip
06:47.41AntiarcYes plz.
06:47.55ckknightwhat's his ip?
06:48.26haste0813.58| ««       loldongs« [n=tehtank@cpe-70-112-179-239.austin.res.rr.com] leaves #wowace ()
06:48.30loonacy70.112.179.239
06:48.38hasteI meant hostmask :(
06:48.43hasteit's too early atm
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06:54.28ckknightlol, dongs
06:57.15ThianaAny of the grid authors online?
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07:04.09Diaodoes scl interfere with prat for monster yells
07:04.18Diaoit seems like after i installed scl monster yells no longer show up
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07:06.40Arrowmasterno it doesnt
07:07.10Diaohm
07:07.12Diaoweird
07:07.37Diaoi get blanklines now instead of regular yells for mobs :(
07:07.44Diaobut only sometimes
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07:31.43CIA-2203sayclub * r44870 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua:
07:31.43CIA-22Babble-2.2:
07:31.43CIA-22- add "Surprise Attacks", "Serrated Blades", "Dirty Deeds"
07:35.23loonacyAnyone know of a function that strips color tags from a string?
07:36.03krkayes
07:36.07krkai have made one of those
07:36.12krkacheck the faiap source
07:38.49loonacyfaiap?
07:40.32mitch0cryect: hey, you around?
07:40.55hasteloonacy: for all indents and purposes
07:41.07loonacyGot it, thanks.
07:41.18hasteit's on wowi
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07:57.19Bejittanyone else have issues w/ some of these MS Office ads on the wiki?
07:57.57CIA-2203sayclub * r44871 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua:
07:57.57CIA-22Babble-2.2:
07:57.57CIA-22- Fixed localization koKR
08:00.33mitch0GAH
08:00.46Bejittthe ones where it's "showing off" the new interface stuff in office... when they're up, I cant do much of anything with my mouse in my browser o_O
08:00.46mitch0undo broke :(
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08:51.46CIA-2203jerry * r44872 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua: Babble-2.2: update esES. Thanks bailon
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08:58.33mitch0it feels good to push out a new release :)
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09:23.42Soleman
09:23.48Soleinsta gib mages should be toned down
09:25.47abbat-w=)
09:25.59abbat-wcollect resilience gear, Sole
09:26.08SoleI do
09:26.15abbat-w~ 400 resilience and mage have only about 10% crit on you
09:26.24Solethe shit still seems to crit every time
09:26.45abbat-wHow many resilience you have?
09:26.52Solemy partner is the one in trouble
09:26.53Solehes got 208
09:27.05abbat-w208 is too small
09:27.07Soleit shouldnt be doing as much damage as its doing though
09:28.50Soleno shit
09:28.57Solebut its still doing too much damage
09:29.09Solejust pyroblast
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09:29.38abbat-wHmm.. i have 450 resilience
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09:30.12abbat-wTypically mage have less then 10% crit on me.
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09:31.13cryogennon crits still hurt
09:31.20cryogensomewhat
09:32.32abbat-wWhat about me, with shatter i have ~65% crit. So, no one have enough resilience to reduce my crit chance lower then 50% ;)
09:32.53CIA-2203jerry * r44873 10SinkLib/Sink-1.0/Sink-1.0.lua: SinkLib: frFR locale
09:33.54cryogeni bet you dont crit for 8k tho :p
09:34.08abbat-wsure
09:34.32abbat-wbut i think ap+pom not best spec for arena
09:34.46abbat-wgood team dispel ap
09:34.49cryogendepends what bracket and what rating
09:35.07cryogenits insane at 3v3 low ratings
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09:35.36abbat-wHeh, i see team with 2 paladins and 1 priest at 1600 rating ;)
09:36.12cryogenye i saw a similar team
09:36.19cryogenfunny thing is the paladins were ret and the priest holy
09:36.37evl_It's perfectly possible
09:36.43evl_2 holy paladins at 1650 I belive
09:36.49evl_the opponents just give up
09:36.51evl_:)
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09:39.13abbat-wbut 5vs5 - it's incredible fun ;)
09:39.49ilifin3x retridins 2x holydins in 5v5
09:41.48abbat-whmm... one priest with mass dispel
09:42.10abbat-wAnd this team can have big troubles
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09:44.36NeeblerRagnar-Os! The only cereal with the Molten Core!
09:44.38NeeblerBY FIBER BE PURGED!!
09:44.43NeeblerTASTE THE FLAVORS OF SULFURON!
09:44.47NeeblerTWO SCOOPS, EXECUTUS! TWO SCOOPS!
09:45.10Punkie`welcome to 2 years ago
09:45.28Neeblerhey. you. shutit
09:45.33Neebler:D
09:45.38Punkie`:P
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09:46.04NeeblerI'm sorry for browsing the forums once a year
09:47.37Punkie`you damn well should be!
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09:51.44evl_Punkie`: diaf
09:55.16Neeblerhmmm, putting a 200 watt lightbulb in the lamp on my desk wasn't such a BRIGHT idea!~
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10:04.28CIA-2203mitchell * r44874 10RangeDisplay/README.txt: RangeDisplay: doc update
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10:05.23CIA-2203jerry * r44875 10GridAlert/ (8 files in 4 dirs): GridAlert: drycoded. support SharedMediaLib for Sound and SinkLib for message destination. add french locale.
10:06.06dodgizzlaHm, that jerry could fix GridAlerts options some time, if he's already messing with it :D
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10:06.15baer_good morning
10:06.34baer_can anyone help me with a problem syncing 2 cartographer databases?
10:08.17baer_for some unkown reason the broadcasted data does not arrive.
10:11.02mitch0hm. what makes an addon "popular" on wowi?
10:11.14CIA-2203rabbit * r44876 10SinkLib/Sink-1.0/Sink-1.0.lua: .Sink-1.0: Bugfix.
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10:14.20baer_mikma: i guess it's the number of downloads
10:16.15Bejittodd.. the X-Category for some libs is 'Library' and others it's 'Libraries'
10:16.56vhaarrit should be "Library"
10:17.17baer_aye, "Library" is correct.
10:19.28Bejitthttp://www.wowace.com/wiki/Category:Library ~~ http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Category:Libraries
10:20.57Bejitt6 lib articles in Library category use the TOC-gen'd header .... libs that use it and dont show up => X-Category = Libraries
10:20.58Bejitt>_<
10:26.02CIA-2203ominous * r44877 10Tattle/ (21 files in 21 dirs): Tattle: dataminer ran
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10:27.56Dustwhisper|Anyone here good at maths =D?
10:28.15baer_no =D
10:28.16xlviidepends what you need.
10:28.42Dustwhisper|I want to calculate the theoretical manausage on an amount of damage made
10:28.53Dustwhisper|based on 30% mana return from crits, average dmg and crit %
10:29.16Dustwhisper|eg 200.000 dmg made by a mage with a 10/48/3 spec with XX spelldmg and 30% crit
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10:29.25Dustwhisper|i want to know the mana breakdown of that
10:32.19xtDustwhisper|: doesnt DrDmg display that?
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10:33.57trhhi dude
10:34.00trhs
10:34.06Dustwhisper|it does not xt
10:34.18Dustwhisper|DrDamage displays "Dmg until out of mana"
10:34.20Dustwhisper|i want vice verca
10:34.30Dustwhisper|i want to see how much mana would be needed to do X amount of damage
10:34.37Dustwhisper|factoring inn crits, master of elements etc
10:34.58Dustwhisper|dr damage does not take into account manapotions, managems, evocation etc
10:35.21cryogenoh ye, did anyone report/fix the drdamage melee bug yet?
10:35.52cryogensomething to do with use of a variable named "AP" And it having a nil value
10:36.09mitch0dust: for a rough (but probably still pretty good) approximation, just divide you target damage with the drDamage full-damage-for-manabar, and multiply your current mana with that. then you get the total mana needed for that damage
10:36.32mitch0s/you/your/
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10:38.08mitch0cryect: ping
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10:42.08Dustwhisper|my drdamage refuses to show Dmg til oom actually
10:45.38mitch0you loose then
10:47.27mitch0hey, lambda functions and closure are coming to c++ :) http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/docs/papers/2007/n2329.pdf
10:47.49mitch0too bad I gotta work with java these times
10:49.01Dustwhisper|i think drdamage is broken
10:49.08Dustwhisper|it shows "Dmg til OOM" in my spellbook to be 10000000+
10:49.14Dustwhisper|1800 casts without stop >_<
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10:50.30Health~ugt
10:50.31purlsomebody said ugt was Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
10:54.52CIA-2203nargiddley * r44878 10Baggins/ (Baggins-Filtering.lua Baggins.lua):
10:54.52CIA-22Baggins: Cleanup unneeded filtering code
10:54.52CIA-22- Override default bags now hooks ToggleBackpack
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11:04.56Dustwhisper|does drdamage factor inn MOE though
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11:26.18cncfanaticswooot final
11:26.20cncfanaticsfinaly*
11:26.29cncfanaticsircatwork is down and I finaly found an alternate one
11:26.56cncfanatics~seen Fisker-
11:26.58purlfisker- is currently on #wowace #wowwiki. Has said a total of 22 messages. Is idling for 2m 41s, last said: 'gonna tell my mom on you Boubouille'.
11:27.06cncfanaticsFisker- ping
11:27.16cncfanatics~seen Nargiddley
11:27.17purlnargiddley is currently on #wowi-lounge (3h 58m 29s) #wowace (3h 58m 29s), last said: 'i dont think that would affect visibility, it mostly shows as controls not sitting next to each other correctly'.
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11:27.19Boubouilleoh really ? he said that ?
11:27.21|Kev|Jaxon: that seems unlikely; in what circumstances does mau do that for you? (please leave a message, I'm very afk)
11:27.25cncfanaticsping Nargiddley
11:28.17cncfanaticsbleh, neither of both answers
11:28.27cncfanaticscould anyone help me then ? I need some code tested but I dont have WoW here
11:32.32cncfanatics~seen Phyber
11:32.33purlphyber is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowace, last said: 'that scroll area config mode rocks :)'.
11:33.16Nargiddleycncfanatics, i'm here but not going to be on for much longer
11:33.56phyberhello.
11:35.48cncfanaticsNargiddley, just wanted to know if there were any updates on waterfall lately
11:35.59cncfanaticsphyber, and I'd like to ask you to test some code on WoW if you can :p I'm at work
11:36.10Nargiddleynothing new cncfanatics
11:36.25phybercncfanatics: I'm at work too :(
11:36.28cncfanaticsdamn
11:36.32cncfanaticsneed someone to test code
11:36.45phyberWhen my new machine is up and running, I'll be able to run WoW in cedega or something :)
11:37.10phybertiny resolution, I can try to sell Enchants all day :p
11:37.25cncfanaticshmmm, i'm on wine with 1600x1200 np
11:37.28cncfanaticsand raid with it
11:37.44phyberyeah, but I wouldn't want to be in fullscreen raiding at work ;)
11:38.03mitch0:)
11:38.20cncfanaticsphyber hehe
11:38.27cncfanaticsnow, can someone test some code then ?
11:38.39cncfanaticsI'm pretty sure its full of syntax errors, and even one or two logic errors sneaked in
11:40.08JoshBorkeyou can check syntax errors with luac -l ( or maybe luac -p)
11:41.24cncfanaticsu seriously think I got execute/console access or can create shortcuts ? :p
11:41.51cncfanaticsthis aint a nuby schoolcomp :(
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11:48.14krkaJoshBorke: luac -lp
11:48.17krkaerr, luac -p
11:48.27krka-l is bytecode inspection
11:48.31krkai think
11:48.31JoshBorkemmt
11:48.39JoshBorkei use -l to check for SETGLOBAL
11:48.48haste-l is list if think
11:49.27hasteit is :3
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11:52.11JoshBorkeyea, yea, whatever :-P
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11:54.12sz3hello
11:54.25cncfanaticshello
11:54.33cncfanaticsJoshBorke, u can run WoW ? :o
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11:55.57JoshBorkeno, no account
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11:56.52cncfanaticsJoshBorke, damn you
11:56.56cncfanaticsI need someone that can run wow now :(
11:59.43Dustwhisper|is there any addon that will count mana used on a fight
11:59.46Dustwhisper|preferably for whole raid
12:00.06cncfanaticsdont think so
12:00.16cncfanaticswouldn't be hard to make tho
12:00.49Dustwhisper|and by whole raid i mean per person
12:01.02cncfanaticsstill easy to make, but I dont think anyone ever bothered
12:01.11cncfanaticsu get raid events on mana used (I think) so u can track it easely
12:01.52Dustwhisper|and why on earth does not addons actually show a "cast amount" along with number of hits and crits
12:03.31Undinehmm, might be interesting to compare mana efficiency
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12:03.47cncfanaticsDustwhisper, I'd suggest getting recount for that
12:03.56cncfanaticsu can easely see hits, crits of the whole raid
12:04.10cncfanaticsand maybe mana usage too, if not, u could request it
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12:04.46Dustwhisper|it shows hits and crits
12:04.52Dustwhisper|it doesn't show a total number of cast of that spell
12:04.59Dustwhisper|it's simple addition still tedious
12:05.03Dustwhisper|yes Undine it would be very nice
12:06.25CIA-2203oridan * r44879 10ShoutReminder/ (ShoutReminder.lua ShoutReminder.toc):
12:06.25CIA-22ShoutReminder:
12:06.25CIA-22- spells now tracked "per char"
12:06.25CIA-22- added ability to watch specific spells, or to scan spellbook.
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12:12.38sz3just a small question: who configured your CIA Bot and may I get the advanced filter? Somehow our bot stays silent and I've got no clue, why.
12:13.02cncfanaticshmmmm
12:13.06cncfanaticsmy irc client is buggy
12:13.07cncfanaticsargh
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12:14.13cncfanaticsso, I'll ask again, can anyone help me (must be someone with the ability to run WOW :p)
12:19.36syerenckknight :P?
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12:32.24pb_ee1LZRoster update: now supports multi-guild usage
12:32.40sbmhhm
12:32.53sbwhat makes it > armory?
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12:33.06pb_ee1it is not > armory, it is different
12:33.09trh!c eu aegwynn vane
12:33.12ThraeBottrh: Vane, Level 70 Orc Hunter (0/45/16). 9502 HP; 6553 Mana; 98 mana regen; 14 mp5; 5927 Armour; 1732 AP; 232.2 Melee DPS; 19.85% melee crit; 71 melee hit; 2120 RAP; 320.2 Ranged DPS; 25.92% ranged crit; 71 ranged hit; 11.99% dodge; 98 resilience; [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2d45ao ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/38dsfn ]]
12:33.24pb_ee1it does not save any information that is already saved by the armory
12:33.30pb_ee1it saves everything else
12:33.35sbah okay
12:33.37pb_ee1bags, banks, dungeon access, crafts
12:33.48baer_LZroster ?
12:33.51Undinei can run wow
12:34.04sbmh inventory spy is evil :p
12:34.23baer_pb_ee1: does that have something to do with LZprofiler?
12:34.43pb_ee1purl, LZRoster is a World of Warcraft roster based on an Ace'd addon called LZProfiler. All information can be found here: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=7409.0 Official site: http://zorglub6.free.fr/roster/
12:34.43purlokay, pb_ee1
12:34.49pb_ee1baer_: yes
12:35.00baer_gracias.
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12:36.01baer_looks nice.
12:36.04pb_ee1sb: you are _not_ forced to upload bags/banks
12:36.11sb:)
12:36.11baer_i'll test it for my guild.
12:36.11pb_ee1it is unchecked by default
12:36.13sbokay
12:36.25pb_ee1so you only upload it if you want it (thus if you check the box)
12:36.54pb_ee1baer_: go on, someone is already trying it for his guild, and everything seems to work fine
12:37.21pb_ee1I have to work a bit on the installation script, it fails on some servers because the webmaster has no rights :(
12:37.30baer_i c
12:38.00baer_that shouldn't be a problem here, i'm the admin to the box.
12:38.24pb_ee1baer_: then everything should be fine ;p
12:38.32baer_i hope so, p
12:38.41baer_:p
12:39.11pb_ee1feel free to subscribe to the official forums _or_ to post your comments on the wowace forums
12:39.13pb_ee1i read both
12:40.02xt!c eu balnazzar xte
12:40.06ThraeBotxt: Xte, Level 70 Human Warlock (5/43/13). 10104 HP; 8848 Mana; 110 mana regen; 164 spell crit; 129 spell hit; 835 +spell dmg/heal; 181 shadow dmg (1016); 4.36% dodge; 18 resilience; [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ypszrn ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2s7nxu ]]
12:41.07baer_great. :)
12:41.18xlvii!c us thaurissan shari
12:41.22ThraeBotxlvii: Shari, Level 70 Undead Rogue (19/42/0). 6784 HP; 1514 AP; 324.2 Melee DPS; 17.18% melee crit; 187 melee hit; 21.74% dodge; 4 resilience; [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yq2szf ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/32hdpu ]]
12:41.32Corgan!c eu antonidas corgan
12:41.36Dustwhisper|!c eu Alonsus Whinewhisper
12:41.38ThraeBotCorgan: Corgan, Level 70 Human Paladin (50/11/0). 8277 HP; 10023 Mana; 172 mana regen; 63 mp5; 14141 Armour; 73.8 Melee DPS; 4.17% melee crit; 101 spell crit; 199 +spell dmg; 1744 +heal; 4.33% dodge; 5.36% block; 34 resilience; [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2ddvq5 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2oy3bh ]]
12:41.41xlviiwhee, such a crappy character :P
12:41.42ThraeBotDustwhisper|: Whinewhisper, Level 70 Undead Mage (10/48/3). 6373 HP; 8066 Mana; 144 mana regen; 43 mp5; 240 spell crit; 154 spell hit; 859 +spell dmg; 172 arcane dmg (1031); 221 fire dmg (1080); 5.18% dodge; +18 all resists (+10 shadow); [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/29t89y ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3c8cf8 ]]
12:41.48baer_!c eu todeswache gingles
12:41.52ThraeBotbaer_: Gingles, Level 70 Gnome Warlock (0/21/40). 8353 HP; 9249 Mana; 138 mana regen; 4 mp5; 294 spell crit; 97 spell hit; 782 +spell dmg; 172 arcane dmg (954); 221 fire dmg (1003); 5.03% dodge; +25 all resists (+10 arcane); [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/24j5ws ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2wst4r ]]
12:42.14xlviii gave up on wow like 3 months ago, so
12:43.30baer_pb_ee1, i'm not really sure how the LZprofiler works.
12:43.52pb_ee1baer_: very simple "if you do not see anything on your screen, then it works"
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12:44.01baer_great, it works :-}
12:44.08pb_ee1it is designed to be completely invisible to the user
12:44.29pb_ee1it only makes your tradeskill windows lag a bit the first time you open them
12:44.38pb_ee1nothing very serious though
12:44.41baer_ok
12:44.56pb_ee1and anyway you don't use them in BG or in PvE :P
12:45.03Dustwhisper|Cryect you about ?
12:45.14Dustwhisper|does that hawksy guy come here ? guy that makes recap
12:45.35cncfanaticspb_ee1
12:45.40cncfanaticscould I maybe ask you something ? (a)
12:45.47pb_ee1cncfanatics: sure
12:45.55mitch0that bloody bot should default to privmsg answers ...
12:45.57baer_pb_ee1, so what do i need to get the stuff on my website running?
12:46.18cncfanaticspb_ee1, can you run WoW where you currently am ? I need code tested
12:46.22baer_i'm currently watching the google-project-site, but i'm not sure, what's needed.
12:46.23pb_ee1baer_: http://zorglub6.free.fr/roster/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10
12:46.44baer_aaaah, that one was the missing part. gracias :)
12:46.50pb_ee1cncfanatics: unfortunately not, i can launch the game but the firewall blocks all the ports after 02:00 PM (France time)
12:46.59cncfanaticspb_ee1, damn
12:47.05cncfanaticswhy only after 2pm btw ?
12:47.24pb_ee1because it's at that time that you should go back to work ;p
12:47.52pb_ee1ports are open between 00:30 and 02:00 PM ;)
12:47.53cncfanaticsoh
12:47.55cncfanaticsheh
12:48.05pb_ee1so we can play while we eat hehe
12:48.12cncfanaticsu mean 12:30 btw ?
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12:48.24pb_ee1that's right (did i make a mistake again? ;p)
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12:49.25pb_ee1cncfanatics: i'll be able to test your code tonight though, i'll be logged between 20:00 and 23:30 (sure) and maybe before 20:00
12:49.31cncfanaticsI will be too then
12:49.36cncfanaticsI'm in brussels, same time zone as you :)
12:49.37baer_pb_ee1, another question: i see there's no deDE-translation right now. mind if i do one?
12:49.51pb_ee1fine, what's your in-game name btw?
12:50.01cncfanaticsEvolve, khadgar EU
12:50.08cncfanatics!c eu khadgar evolve
12:50.12ThraeBotcncfanatics: Evolve, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (0/49/12). 13067 HP; 4428 Mana; 81 mana regen; 14533 Armour; 84.5 Melee DPS; 6.54% melee crit; 15 spell crit; 245 +spell dmg/heal; 303 defense; 17.83% dodge; 21.19% block; [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/27evs8 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2sm7vw ]]
12:50.13cncfanaticsyours ? :o
12:50.23pb_ee1baer_: not at all. there are a few files to translate
12:50.30pb_ee1!c eu bloodhoof lona
12:50.34ThraeBotpb_ee1: Lona, Level 70 Human Priest (23/38/0). 7841 HP; 9705 Mana; 236 mana regen; 47 mp5; 151 spell crit; 29 spell hit; 588 +spell dmg; 757 +heal; 5.7% dodge; +33 all resists; [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ytuk28 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2p7a77 ]]
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12:50.37baer_great, i'll have a look.
12:50.44cncfanaticsmeh alliance
12:50.50pb_ee1note: in dps stuff
12:51.10cncfanaticsin dps stuff bug with more healing then spelldmg ?
12:51.11pb_ee1well, "dps stuff" doesn't mean anything for a holy priest
12:51.24pb_ee1cncfanatics: nope, why? :p
12:51.24cncfanaticss/bug/but/
12:51.31cncfanatics588 +spell dmg; 757 +heal
12:51.53pb_ee1aha yes, i've got a crappy dps stuff
12:52.04sb!c eu khaz'goroth smb
12:52.05sb:o
12:52.07ThraeBotsb: Smb, Level 70 Undead Priest (23/38/0). 7831 HP; 9420 Mana; 219 mana regen; 33 mp5; 215 spell crit; 50 spell hit; 900 +spell dmg/heal; 4.9% dodge; 63 resilience; [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2hr9hz ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2rz86t ]]
12:52.25Undineundead priest time?
12:52.25pb_ee1baer_: site can still be in english, BUT some variables must be translated if you want the roster to work in deDE
12:52.33Undine!c eu azjol-nerub undine
12:52.36ThraeBotUndine: Undine, Level 70 Undead Priest (24/37/0). 5961 HP; 9810 Mana; 362 mana regen; 127 mp5; 105 +spell dmg; 1595 +heal; 5.62% dodge; +33 all resists (+10 shadow); [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yvu8z2 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2r6vny ]]
12:52.43cncfanaticspb_ee1, actualy tonight
12:52.45xthow can I run my own ThraeBot ?
12:52.50pb_ee1baer_: let me give you wish files must be translated
12:53.10pb_ee1cncfanatics: fine, i'll be there, but i will be on bloodhoof :/ (raid)
12:53.19cncfanaticshmmm, raiding too
12:53.24cncfanaticsanother day then :p
12:53.32baer_pb_ee1, ok.
12:53.34Demetrious/ctcp thraebot versoin
12:53.54Demetrious:-)
12:54.34cncfanaticssomeone test meh code please :(
12:55.11NecrathexUndine: another eu-AN :)
12:55.24pb_ee1baer_: data/tooltips.php, data/tradeskills.php, that's all
12:55.35cncfanaticsUndine, I can 2shot your priest
12:55.35sbpb_ee1: mh - dps stuff is important for holy priests? :p
12:55.36pb_ee1all the other files should be translated to have the site in German
12:56.00pb_ee1sb: nope, but i was pvping and that's the only way i have to upgrade a bit my hp ^^
12:56.04Undinei don't talk about my hitpoints :(
12:56.17UndineNecrathex, /wave :)
12:56.18Punkie`ckknight: awake? :)
12:56.18cncfanaticsUndine, I twoshot u as ret pally :p
12:56.25pb_ee1cncfanatics: i can log at 18:30 to test it if you wish to
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12:56.41baer_pb_ee1, ok.
12:56.43sbpb_ee1: well - its no problem to be dd as holy priest in some normal/heroic instance :o
12:56.43Undinecncfanatics, i can test it now if you want?
12:56.51sbpb_ee1: get pvp gear ;p
12:56.51pb_ee1sb: got 1750 healing, 470 reg ooc, 150 in combat with healing stuff
12:57.14pb_ee1working on pvp gear, but i prefer pve :p
12:57.18baer_pb_ee1, btw, there seems to be some kind of french language in enUS, is this supposed?
12:57.29pb_ee1baer_: actually yes and now
12:57.39pb_ee1data is here in case someone uploads some data in french
12:57.39cncfanaticsUndine, I can't login
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12:57.55baer_ah, i c.
12:57.57pb_ee1if data is not translated, it will displays strange things such as _UNDEFINED_
12:58.00cncfanaticsUndine, oh, if you mean test my code, I'd love to
12:58.50cncfanaticsUndine: http://cncfanatic.free.fr/FlexBar2.zip
12:58.57cncfanaticsI'm pretty sure there are plenty of syntax errors
12:59.10baer_pb_ee1, so it's for the case someone uses a frFR-client in your guild?
12:59.43pb_ee1baer_: yup. if you add deDE, it means that your roster will be able to manage enUS, frFR and deDE at the same time
13:00.10baer_ah, i currently use a enGB-client
13:00.17pb_ee1it links items together automatically, so if you search for "mangouste" in enchanting, it will find "mangouste" and "mangoose" in the database
13:00.27pb_ee1mongoose* sorry
13:00.53Dustwhisper|tbh
13:00.58Dustwhisper|localization should never have been in the game
13:01.07Dustwhisper|just teach the french and german to learn english
13:01.07pb_ee1baer_: well if nobody uses an frFR client, than you can remove the lines, but it's time-consuming and a bit useless ;p
13:01.17pb_ee1Dustwhisper|: lol
13:01.29pb_ee1i'm playing in enUS but a lot of my guildies play in frFR
13:01.38Undinecncfanatics, any idea if it'll clash with other mods like bongos and bartender?
13:01.53pb_ee1applications are made to be usable by most people generally
13:02.04cncfanaticsUndine, it won't
13:02.13Dustwhisper|no wonder it's impossible to get the right food or a taxi in Fr/DE
13:02.15cncfanaticsjust run it and tell me what errors it gives :) (pretty sure it will :p)
13:02.16Dustwhisper|they dont understand english!
13:02.30baer_well, we have some guys from switzerland in our guild, which use a frFR-client.
13:02.49baer_so, all in all, we have deDE, enGB and frFR in our guild :)
13:03.23pb_ee1baer_: wow, that would be nice to see the three languages at the same time on the roster :p
13:03.34Dustwhisper|we have scandinavians, uk(irish scottish english welsh), belgian, dutch, russian, polish
13:03.34Dustwhisper|etc
13:03.59baer_Dustwhisper|, i guess you all use the enGB-client?
13:04.14Dustwhisper|yes
13:04.27Dustwhisper|oh we have some german aswell
13:04.33Dustwhisper|no idea if we have any french though
13:04.37Necrathexi want a dutch client :(
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13:05.03Grumdutch is a horrible language .. you dont want that
13:05.04pb_ee1baer_: you can see how the different localization of items are displayed on the roster on this link --> quick search of "flask" in alchemy: http://zorglub6.free.fr/roster/demo-enUS/tradeskills.php?trade=alchemy&s=flask
13:05.17NecrathexGrum: ideed, would be extremely funny :P
13:05.24Grumwould make my eyes bleed
13:05.52pb_ee1now it's supposed to be able to manage three languages at the same time, but i've never tested it
13:06.04Grumjust 3?
13:06.17Grumwhy not 1 to unlimited ? :)
13:06.30baer_ah, i c.
13:06.36baer_but it's english, right?
13:06.48Grumit's frFR :)
13:07.07Amadeofrancyfrench
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13:07.44Grumi dont get why you still leave the french crap in tbh
13:07.52Grumdouble mats, .. (..........) ... etc :)
13:07.54pb_ee1grum: there IS a enUS release
13:07.56cncfanaticsUndine, any errors ?
13:08.06Grumsilly!
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13:08.06pb_ee1ok let me do a quick explanation
13:08.12Undinecncfanatics, yeah
13:08.26Undinecncfanatics, Core.lua:205: 'then' expected near ')'
13:08.28pb_ee1all the releases are able to manage any number of languages at the same time
13:08.37cncfanaticsthank you Undine
13:08.44pb_ee1the difference between releases are just in which language the website is in
13:08.47Undinecncfanatics, Layout/Layout.lua:1: attempt to index global 'FlexBar2' (a nil value)
13:09.02Undinecncfanatics, also triggers a similar FlexBar2 error from DrDamage ;)
13:09.20baer_hmmm...
13:09.25pb_ee1so you can use either frFR or enUS and upload the same data. the difference will be displayed when you browse the site: menus, links, sections, warnings etc. are in the language you choose
13:09.38pb_ee1Grum: http://zorglub6.free.fr/roster/demo-enUS/
13:09.39baer_any idea which item has "Chance on hit" ?
13:10.01cncfanaticsGagorian, ping
13:10.15Grumpb_ee1: why not make the websites localized so you can actually just 'choose' the localization? :)
13:10.33Trancerlocales \/
13:10.49pb_ee1Grum: i don't understand, you already have two releases of the site: enUS & frFR
13:11.13Grumwhy not make 1 release with a simple configuration change to pick enUS or frFR ?
13:11.52Grumbasicly use real localization so you can have other people do the hard work for you! ;D
13:12.10pb_ee1grum: true, i should do this but it's a pain in the ass in PHP
13:12.30pb_ee1I understand what you mean, it's quite the same thing than Locale.lua in addons ;=)
13:13.18Grumlets search on php.net on locale
13:13.20Grumand have fun :)
13:13.23cncfanaticspb_ee1, which is why I never make any types of addons that need localization
13:13.29cncfanatics:)
13:13.32pb_ee1hehe
13:13.59pb_ee1Grum: argh, i should read the documentation more seriously, is there something cool on locales in PHP?
13:14.12baer_damn, i don't find any items with "Chance on hit"...
13:14.21cncfanaticsBaer_
13:14.23Grumno .. php sucks hairy monkey arse
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13:14.40cncfanaticshttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=28573 baer_
13:14.47baer_thanks
13:14.57cncfanaticswhy u absolutely need a chance on hit ?
13:15.40baer_I just need an item with the text "Chance on hit" for translating it to german. :)
13:16.17baer_brb
13:16.21pb_ee1Grum: thanks for info. i'm hesitating at the moment to have a huge localisation file or to stay with several translations
13:17.11Amadeohahaha, this is awesome
13:17.13Amadeohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=066_q4DIeqk
13:17.34charonbaer_: try sulfuras for example
13:17.38Grumpb_ee1: that or use a database orso
13:17.48pb_ee1Grum: it does.
13:17.52pb_ee1php/mysql
13:18.59baer_charon, yup.
13:20.29charonbaer_: also, http://www.wowhead.com/?items=2&filter=cr=107;crs=0;crv=Chance+on+hit
13:21.10baer_charon, many thanks. :)
13:21.34baer_i really should use wowhead a lot more. :)
13:21.34Grumpb_ee1: to store localization :)
13:21.40CIA-2203cryect * r44880 10Relog/ (GUI_Table.lua LogWindow.lua tags.lua):
13:21.40CIA-22Relog - Fixes C Stack overflows
13:21.40CIA-22- Tables now can have columns resized by clicking and dragging the column
13:21.40CIA-22dividers (sample test code to create a table /script local
13:21.40CIA-22a=Relog.Table:CreateTable();a:AddColumn("Test1");a:AddColumn("Test2");a:AddColumn("Test3");a:AddColumn("Test4")
13:21.42CIA-22)
13:21.43GrumAmadeo: that one is great =D
13:21.51Necrathexhm, anyone using the bags_and_merchants addon?
13:22.23AmadeoGrum: Yeah! haha
13:22.28Necrathexwhen it's the first ace addon to be loaded it gives an error: Cannot find library instance of AceAddon-2.0
13:22.30AmadeoI wish it showed them all
13:23.44CIA-2203andalia * r44881 10BattleChat/ (5 files):
13:23.44CIA-22BattleChat:
13:23.44CIA-22<PROTECTED>
13:23.44CIA-22<PROTECTED>
13:23.44CIA-22<PROTECTED>
13:24.13Necrathexhm, seems the bags_and_merchants.toc has the wrong paths to its libs
13:24.26CIA-2203andalia * r44882 10BattleChat_Buffs/ (BattleChat_Buffs.lua BattleChat_Buffs.toc embeds.xml): BattleChat_Buffs: - Support for tooltips
13:24.39pb_ee1Necrathex: ask the author to put ACE2 in optionaldeps
13:24.58CIA-2203oridan * r44883 10ShoutReminder/ShoutReminder.lua:
13:24.58CIA-22ShoutReminder:
13:24.58CIA-22- remove some temporary debug info
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13:25.26Necrathexpb_ee1: there is a line OptionalDeps: Ace2 in the toc, but it's commented out
13:25.45pb_ee1try commenting it out, it should make ace2 load before bags_and_merchants
13:26.32Necrathexeh
13:27.07Necrathexi just changed the Libs\AceAddon-2.0\ to Libs\AceAddon\
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13:27.47mitch0cryet: yo
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13:27.59mitch0cryect even
13:28.31Cryectyep
13:28.41mitch0cryect: so, could you use RangeCheck-1.0 in Recount? (or wherever you wanted to use it?)
13:28.48CryectYeah it works fine
13:28.54CryectNot sure what I was doing wrong before
13:29.11mitch0cryect: ok, I've made it load-on-demand, so you can add it to standalonelibs if you wish
13:29.14Dustwhisper|Ooh Cryect !
13:29.17Dustwhisper|there is the man i wanted to nag =D
13:29.23Dustwhisper|i mean ask or suggest to =D
13:29.29Daemonawhy do you need a range check in recount?
13:29.32Daemona*scratch*
13:29.39Dustwhisper|WTB total count of casts per spelltype and WTB mana usage on fight per spell
13:29.40CryectThough the method I tried to use still overflowed Acecomm so wasn't the solution I was hoping for
13:29.48Dustwhisper|would that be possible ?
13:30.15CryectDaemona: Was my method to get full syncing in Recount by having users act like Cell Stations while nonusers are Cell Phones
13:30.33Daemonahehe interesting
13:30.41Daemonakinda meshing eeh?
13:30.42CryectYeah, Counts are possible, Mana usage per spell no
13:31.02Dustwhisper|Not even for your own ?
13:31.04Dustwhisper|>_<
13:31.39CryectYeah, basically the recount users created a table of ranges over a set of time then transmit this so they all have a matrix then whoever closest was allowed to broadcast those messages for that player
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13:32.03CryectMana Usage doesn't get updated right away
13:32.18Dustwhisper|don't need it right away
13:32.19Cryectand it can get merged with other stuff
13:32.25baer_pb_ee1, "poisons" is the same word in french & english?
13:32.31Cryectso it will look like you used say 180 mana but you regened 20 mana at the same time
13:32.38Cryectbut it really cost 200
13:32.39Dustwhisper|Just interested in seeing how much mana i myself used on a fight per spell
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13:32.52Dustwhisper|and preferably how much other people used
13:33.00Necrathexdoesn't pitbull have a target of target's target? :p
13:33.05pb_ee1baer_: yes
13:33.17Cryectthe problem is seperating the mana regens from the mana used
13:33.30baer_ok, tooltips.php and tradeskills.php is translated so far.
13:33.32Dustwhisper|well Cryect wouldnt it just be hooking spellcast and see if it's cast with or without a clearcasting like ability and just multiple by manacost oO?
13:33.46pb_ee1baer_: good news! ;)
13:33.47baer_at least all replacements :)
13:34.02mitch0dust: sounds like a lot of work and many pitfalls :)
13:34.02Cryectyou could kinda do that for the player but have to also track all other events that modify spell cost etc
13:34.06Cryecta lot of work :-p
13:34.15baer_i'm pretty unsure about translating $TRADESKILLS_LOCALE
13:34.21Dustwhisper|could you whip it up in the next 3 hours =D?
13:34.23Dustwhisper|>_<
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13:34.56CryectI plan to working on creating a WoW "spreadsheet" in the next few hours well not really a spreadsheet since you can't change values on it :-p
13:35.27CryectBut in theory after I'm done that wouldn't be hard to do
13:35.27pb_ee1baer_: here it how it works. left side is what you have IN GAME (exact matching, all in lowercase). on the right is what you would like to see on the website
13:35.40baer_ah, ok.
13:35.54pb_ee1for example, if you want to see "hey" and "joe" under the same node "hello", you'll add "hey" => "hello", "joe" => "hello"
13:36.18baer_so in $TRADESKILLS it's all lowercase, too?
13:36.22pb_ee1baer_: please note that you also must add translations such as "hello" => "hello"
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13:37.05mitch0baer: why not use AceLocale? :P :)
13:37.09pb_ee1baer_: in $TRADESKILLS you do not have to translate keys (alchemy, tailoring, ..) the only thing you must change is 'Name' and 'Locale'. 'Locale' must be in lowercase
13:37.18cncfanaticsmitch0, prolly cuz its php ?
13:37.37mitch0whooosh
13:37.52baer_pb_ee1, ok, great.
13:38.18baer_the french translation for alchemy is really "alchimie"? :)+
13:38.37pb_ee1'Locale' contains all the IN GAME words that corresponds to the key, for example 'alchemy', you should have three locales: 'alchemy' (enUS), 'alchimie' (frFR), and '<translation in deDE>' (deDE)
13:38.47pb_ee1yup :p
13:38.52baer_same in german.
13:39.05pb_ee1That's right ^^
13:39.34pb_ee1and now you understand why you only have "poisons" under poisons->Locale
13:39.45baer_jup
13:39.58pb_ee1i should comment my code or nobody will work on it
13:40.01pb_ee1:p
13:40.05baer_:-ppp
13:40.06charonbaer_: "same"? last i checked it was Alchemie
13:40.10Dustwhisper|Renkin jutsu
13:40.11Dustwhisper|\o/
13:40.31baer_charon, nope, it has nothing to do with chemics (Chemie), checked buffed.de > Berufe :)
13:40.59baer_pb_ee1, why is the locales-stuff all in lower case.
13:41.27baer_?
13:41.34charonargh. you're right. wikipedia has "Alchemie (auch Alchymie oder Alchimie)". damn multiple options
13:41.53baer_*hehe*
13:42.21pb_ee1baer_: because it's only ID's
13:42.31baer_ok, ic
13:42.38deltronwoooot
13:42.49deltronthey announced the cast of the watchmen movie
13:43.54baer_pb_ee1, another question: the stuff under $TRADESKILL_LOCALE, where does it appear in the game?
13:44.08baer_for example: "ammo pouch" ? oO
13:45.06AmadeoAnyone know if WoW is coded to utilize multicore processors?
13:45.32baer_Amadeo, works fine on my core2duo.
13:45.33AmadeoJust curious, my lowly single core is lonely :P
13:45.51Cryectno its not
13:45.53AmadeoYeah, just wondering if it actually takes advantage of both cores
13:45.56baer_seems to me like it's utilizing both cores.
13:46.01AmadeoCryect: Yes it's lonely!
13:46.07baer_jup, it actually does.
13:46.16CryectYou using a mac baer?
13:46.19Amadeohah
13:46.24baer_but that might be a side-effect of wine.
13:46.32Cryectits not using multiple on windows
13:46.33baer_no, ibm t60
13:46.38Amadeohm
13:46.41Cryectyeah thats prolly wine then
13:46.48deltronI can't wait till I get my T61 :D
13:46.54AmadeoSide effects of wine are slurred speech, inability to walk in a straight line...
13:47.00baer_...which is strange, since wine just "emulates" winxp.
13:47.11Cryectat least with wine your single core isn't lonely
13:47.29AmadeoI'm jealous of Macs because they're getting movie recording in the next WoW patch :(
13:47.48CryectShrug unless they get depth recording I don't care
13:48.04Amadeodepth recording?
13:48.07GrumAmadeo: we have fraps! (which breaks on my emt64 ;()
13:48.11Cryecti'm still saddened that blizzard won't let me use the program I used to use
13:48.18Cryectthe Z Buffer
13:48.25baer_oh, come on... fraps sucks.
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13:48.32deltronfraps does suck
13:48.53AmadeoI'm curious though, I think they're going to use QuickTime for the Mac vids
13:48.57Cryectfraps works the best out of all the 3d caps I've worked with unfortunately
13:49.03Amadeothat might not run too well
13:49.07deltrongamecam isn't bad at all
13:49.17CryectGamecam is awful in that I can't lossless compress
13:49.19Grumi hate how fraps totally rapes your pc :)
13:49.27AmadeoI think they all do
13:49.36Cryectnah gamecam isn't as bad
13:49.49Amadeoreally? interesting
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13:49.55Cryectthe codec gamecam uses is lossy so the I/O is much less used
13:50.02deltrongamecam is a lot easier
13:50.03Cryectfraps is really heavy on IO
13:50.11AmadeoI thought my PC just sucked too much
13:50.12Grumanything is really heavy on IO tbh
13:50.27Cryectbut not being lossless means its about 100% worthless
13:50.55AmadeoI've seen some really nice looking videos before, extremely sharp and such
13:50.58DemetriousOT, does anyone here plays Lineage 2?
13:50.59Amadeonot sure if they did that out of the game or not
13:51.03Cryectnot from gamecam :-p
13:51.08AmadeoThat Drakedog 7 PvP video was super sharp
13:51.13pb_ee1back, i was afk (boss roaming around ;p)
13:51.22CryectPretty sure he used fraps I can find out if you really want to know
13:51.34CryectPathologist edited that one right?
13:51.35Grumnah i have a rather decent box but to get solid performance while frapsing - you need to sacrifice FPS or resolution
13:51.36AmadeoNo worries, I can't record and play at the same time :(
13:51.40AmadeoNo idea
13:51.41Grumboth arent an option when you are a healer tbh :D
13:51.44Cryectthink 7 was the one he worked on
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13:52.03CryectI get solid performance while frapsing at 1920x1200
13:52.08pb_ee1baer_: locales-stuff are only in lower case because they are ID's that I gather in game and that the user never see
13:52.08Amadeowow
13:52.16AmadeoI barely get 30 fps without Fraps running
13:52.16CryectI have to record at half resolution
13:52.17GrumCryect: what kind of framerate?
13:52.19Amadeoso... haha
13:52.21Cryect30 FPS
13:52.25Grumthat is no performance
13:52.28Grum30dps SUCKS ass
13:52.30sbmhmhm
13:52.33Grum*fps
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13:52.45Amadeo30 fps with fraps going would be ok for me :)
13:52.55sbwell its capped at 30 when frapsing with 30fps :p
13:52.59CryectRight
13:53.01Grumyup and that sucks
13:53.08Cryectfraps syncs the framerate to the cap rate
13:53.08sbmh..
13:53.21pb_ee1baer_: stuff under $tradeskill_locale appear when you open your tradeskill windows
13:53.32pb_ee1they are the name of the subcategories
13:53.35CryectReally I wish PiX performance was higher
13:53.38sboh btw... i need some music for hydross video - but i have no idea.. :p
13:53.39Grumso either get to play with 30fps (which isn't doable) or get so much IO because you are recording 30fps that the lag of that itself makes it as if you are doing 30fps
13:53.46CryectPiX is my favorite recording programming
13:53.57Cryectbut can't use it with WoW anymore
13:54.08Grumthe second 30 should be 60 ;D
13:54.12GrumCryect: why not?
13:54.15cncfanaticshmmm
13:54.16Cryectyou can use custom framerate
13:54.19sbfraps audio selection sucks :/
13:54.21cncfanaticsis there any recording program at all for linux ?
13:54.28pb_ee1Cryect: are you disappointed by FRAPS?
13:54.34baer_cncfanatics, unluckily not.
13:54.35Cryectbecause PiX is a directx debug tool and WoW complains if things are hooked into it
13:54.51GrumCryect: problem is that if you pick a custom one like 60 it will generate so much IO your pc will just crap out totally and you have '30fps-performance' :)
13:55.00Dustwhisper|What method does fraps use these days?
13:55.03AmadeoDo they still want people to buy GameCam? Or is it free now? Meaning, without that lame banner..
13:55.08CryectGrum: That is true and sucks :-p
13:55.09baer_cncfanatics, the main problem is that you can't copy anything out of wine / cedega.
13:55.12sbsome really cool feature would be multiple audio tracks when using fraps
13:55.18mitch0probably it's done 'cos of some render-haxxs
13:55.19sbso i can have 1 for teamspeak and 1 for wow sound
13:55.19sb:/
13:55.32CryectGrum: I think with a better hard drive system could do it
13:55.33cncfanaticsbaer_, wouldn't a wine'd fraps do the job ?
13:55.38cncfanaticsand why can't you ? :p I'm no wine expert
13:55.51GrumCryect: some fat'n'fast stripe orso
13:55.56Cryectsb: use another program to record the audiotracks then but it prolly has to have a custom audio driver
13:56.13baer_cncfanatics, unluckily ATis drivers for linux really suck.
13:56.23mitch0just connect you video out to your VCR :P
13:56.31cncfanaticsbaer_, please explain :)
13:56.43sbCryect: yeah i know thats possible somehow... but then you have to start fraps recording, start teamspeak recording, start wow sound recording - merge/sync them again when editing video and stuff...
13:56.44cncfanaticsI'm buying a new comp soon so intrested in anything that has to do with gfx brands
13:56.51baer_so WoW runs around 20 fps in linux, while starting fraps with wine, you get ca. 2 fps.
13:56.55sbfraps avi + 2 audio tracks = teh win :p
13:57.04cncfanaticsbaer_, seriously ? :o lol
13:57.09baer_yep.
13:57.09Amadeobaer_: haha
13:57.10Grumbaer_: get a decent box? :)
13:57.13cncfanaticsnot sure it has to do with wine tho
13:57.17Cryectpb_ee1: not really besides it can't record depth
13:57.20baer_a t60 is a recent box :)
13:57.27Grumseems not
13:57.27sbnoo
13:57.28pb_ee1Cryect: depth?
13:57.29sbget t61!
13:57.30baer_it's only the linux drivers that suck.
13:57.32sb(sigh*
13:57.34Cryectpb_ee1: the depth buffer
13:57.36sbwtb t61
13:57.39Cryectone second I will show an example
13:57.44Grumbaer_: part of the box is getting a decent videocard =)
13:57.47sberr t61p
13:57.54baer_Grum, you know what a t60 is? :)
13:57.54AmadeoI lose framerate in wine also
13:57.58pb_ee1Cryect: humm i don't see where is the problem with that ;p
13:58.07baer_it's a damn ibm laptop :)
13:58.07pb_ee1Cryect: ok, i'll wait ;)
13:58.13Grumbaer_: let me guess - laptop?
13:58.22Grumoh .. i said that wrong .. craptop
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13:59.14baer_actually it's great - except for the video hardware :)
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13:59.43Grumso it sucks for wow? so getting a 'decent box' still applies .. ;D
13:59.56charonthe hardware is fine, it's really in the driver
13:59.59baer_nope, the video drivers in linux suck.
14:00.06baer_the xp-drivers are usable.
14:00.12AmadeoWhat's the video on the laptop?
14:00.22baer_radeon x1300 mobile from ATi
14:00.36deltronthere's new ati drivers
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14:00.43deltronfor linux
14:01.00Funkeh`hi all
14:01.02Grumyou *could* use windows ofc ;)
14:01.21CryectHere's a depth image and shows what you can do with it http://acm.jhu.edu/~cryect/DOF/
14:01.24baer_Grum, the question was, if you can record with fraps in wine (windows API emulator)
14:01.38baer_and the answer is "yes", but with only 2 fps :-p
14:02.07loonacyAMD has said they'll be improving linux drivers for ATI cards.  Not that I'd touch an ATI with a 20 foot salami sandwich.
14:02.36AmadeoCryect: Ohh, Depth of Field
14:02.37charonthere's been a lot of talk and a regular update about once every month. they still stuck at the most critical part, which is performance
14:02.53cncfanaticsthe ATI drivers have improved a lot already
14:02.56cncfanaticsthey rly did a lot of affort
14:02.58CryectHeh yeah, you need a depth image to be able to depth of field :-p
14:03.09Amadeonow I get it :)
14:03.12charonto be fair, they _did_ fix a crash-on-suspend issue within about two months, meaning all laptops using atis were unusable with "up to date" drivers for only two months. yay.
14:03.29baer_yes, really great work
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14:03.53cncfanaticsthey also made the install process take 5 minutes instead of 5 hours
14:03.55cncfanatics(for debian at least)
14:03.59CryectThats actually a custom depth of field algorithm wrote after finding almost everything sucked except some expensive photoshop plugin which I decided I could do just as well (heh only problem its written as a slow matlab m file I've not coded into a plugin yet)
14:04.14AmadeoIt looks nice anyways :)
14:04.27loonacybaer_:  You're not running a 3d composite desktop at all, are you?
14:04.28CryectYeah the problem wasn't nice
14:04.36Cryectthe problem was it takes like 10 seconds per frame
14:04.45Amadeoouch
14:04.56charoncncfanatics: true. i'm running suse and setting it up is really easy
14:05.09baer_loonacy, are you serious? :)
14:05.32baer_loonacy, the ati-drivers are bad enough to cut support in XGL and AiGLX. ^^
14:05.38baer_so... no 3d-desktop for me.
14:05.50AmadeoI'm not really into the whole 3D desktop thing yet
14:06.01Amadeosome things are nice, but much of it is too over the top
14:06.21cncfanatics3d desktop hmmm ?
14:06.29cncfanaticswhats the name of the package that does that ?
14:06.33cncfanaticsmight try it out actualy
14:06.34cncfanaticsusing gnome atm
14:06.48deltroncompiz fusion
14:06.50loonacycompiz, works with gnome or kde
14:07.02baer_cncfanatics, there's been a lot of changes in the projects recently.
14:07.04loonacyOh yeah, compiz fusion now.
14:07.06deltronyou running ubuntu?
14:07.19CIA-2203hegarol * r44884 10AtlasLoot_RepFactions/rep.lua:
14:07.19CIA-22AtlasLoot_RepFactions:
14:07.19CIA-22- Bugfix
14:07.19loonacyI still have beryl on my laptop, heh.
14:07.20jmeosx ftw!
14:07.33deltronheh
14:07.33pb_ee1~flee
14:07.34purlACTION runs away screaming
14:07.36baer_the largest project is opencomposite (aka. compiz-fusion). check http://www.opencompositing.org
14:07.51deltronI enjoy picking my own hardware thank you very much :P
14:08.08jmedeltron: as do i, i just really like the macbook pros
14:08.09Necrathexim running beryl on ubuntu with an ati mobile card
14:08.16Necrathexit's workable :p
14:08.21jmedeltron: i still keep a pc around that i'm upgrading slightly to play wow on
14:08.24cncfanaticsrunning debian
14:08.26cncfanaticsmight try it hmmm
14:08.28cncfanaticsworth it ?
14:08.29deltronheh
14:08.32deltronit's very cool
14:08.42baer_Necrathex, which ati M?
14:08.51loonacycncfanatics:  A lot of it is just eye candy, but I like the window management modules.
14:09.06jmedeltron: right now it's got a 1.4ghz tbird, 512mb of ram, a kt133a chipset motherboard, and a radeon 9700 pro
14:09.29deltronmine works decently on this radeon x300 in my T43
14:09.35cncfanaticsdeltron, running debian
14:09.37jmedeltron: swapping out for a xp 2500, epox 8rda3+, and a gig of pc3200
14:09.39loonacyAnd I just can't live without my cube desktop anymore.
14:09.43cncfanaticspretty much the same without all fancy (and non working) hardware detection
14:09.50deltronjme: eek
14:10.03jmedeltron: cheapest upgrade i could find that would still let me keep my radeon
14:10.04deltronI know debian :)
14:10.08deltronI'm a long-time debian user
14:10.16Necrathexbaer_: not completely sure, says it's an Radeon Xpress 200M
14:10.18jmenice, same here
14:10.27baer_Necrathex, ah ok.
14:10.28jmei've used debian since around 2000 or 2001
14:10.46deltronprobably 1997-1998 or so here
14:10.59jmei was using slackware then :P
14:11.02loonacyI  remember back in the day when they made Jigdo, made it so much easier to download ISOs on my 14.4kbps modem.
14:11.08loonacyI rejoiced.
14:11.23deltronyeah I started out with slack 3.5
14:11.41jmei remember using my 28.8 pcmcia modem that only connected at 21 something :(
14:12.09AmadeoPeople sure used to love Slackware
14:12.10deltronheh
14:12.26deltronslack was the distro to use back in the day
14:12.31jmeand finding a workaround to the netzero dialup to use it in linux and bypass the ad requirement
14:12.37deltronthen that upstart redhat came along
14:12.39jmeso i had free dialup all through highschool
14:12.52Amadeoand he jumped from version 4 to 7 :P
14:13.29Amadeojme: haha, I did that, but in Windows
14:13.38cncfanaticshmmm, jme, what u talking about ? :o
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14:14.12AmadeoNetZero actually worked pretty well for me back when it was free
14:14.32loonacyI never got netzero working in linux, but I did use LiteStep in Windows, moved the ad window to a different desktop and there it stayed.
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14:15.09cncfanaticswhat is netzero ? :o
14:15.34Josh_Borkean isp
14:15.35Amadeocncfanatics: It's an ISP, and used to be free years ago, but they had a client you had to use that would serve you banner ads
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14:18.32Matrix110hmmmmmmmm
14:18.49Matrix110GridAlert moaning it needs SinkLib (which i have installed) iam confused
14:18.53baer_pb_ee1, does the translation take umlauts in &auml; style?
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14:19.31pb_ee1baer_: i'm not pretty sure about this unfortunately :(
14:19.50pb_ee1i couldn't test it with umlauts
14:19.53baer_ok, i need something for "ä"
14:20.01pb_ee1let me try it and i'll tell you
14:20.06jmeerr, sorry i went afk
14:20.06baer_"devices" is translated with "geräte" in german.
14:20.20jmecncfanatics: Amadeo explained it :P
14:20.35pb_ee1baer_: ok, give me one sec
14:20.35jmewell not afk, i was reading my realm forums
14:25.21Amadeojme: I pretty much went from one free dialup to another when I was younger :P
14:25.31Amadeoit was expensive back then
14:25.40jmeAmadeo: yeah
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14:25.51Amadeohola vhaarr
14:25.56jmeAmadeo: my dad got cable internet right after i moved off to college too :(
14:26.00vhaarrheyho
14:26.20pb_ee1baer_: only ' must be changed to &#39;. you must type in umlauts as they appear.
14:26.32pb_ee1so you should enter "geräte"
14:27.35Amadeojme: It took forever to get cable here, I ended up with Comcast@Home at first, which was great...then Comcast took over and it went down the tubes
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14:28.28AmadeoFought with Comcast for nearly 2 years to fix it, they told me it was my problem
14:29.09AmadeoContacted the county cable commission and they finally made Comcast do something about it...but that took probably another 6 months because they kept trying to stall
14:29.44GngskI'm thinking about getting verizon fios
14:29.58AmadeoI'd love to try it out, but it's not available here
14:30.10AmadeoComcast just pisses me off
14:30.16Gngskit's available here!
14:30.24AmadeoShow off
14:30.28Gngsklol
14:30.38vhaarr~seen gamefaq
14:30.43purlgamefaq <i=Gamefaq@pD9527C0A.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 18d 21h 43m 32s ago, saying: '~seen Funky'.
14:30.46vhaarrany deDE users around?
14:32.15vhaarrdon't be shy, I just want you to do some unsatisfying work for no pay
14:33.11AmadeoIt might be fun to translate stuff, too bad I only speak "enUS" :P
14:33.35vhaarrit is fun, I've worked as a translator for norwegian on many open source and commercial projects
14:33.48vhaarror "nbNO"
14:33.56Chompersever made any huge blunders?
14:33.57Matrix110glad iam using the enGB and not deDE :P
14:34.07vhaarrChompers: yes
14:34.19vhaarrI made a few in the early nbNO translations of Firefox
14:34.35Chompersawesome :D
14:34.50vhaarrbut they were ironed out before 1.0, most of them
14:34.56vhaarrsome keybinding stuff remained
14:35.24AmadeoI saw two sign language translators speak for a deaf person once, both for the same person.  One of them was highly experienced, the other was pretty new.  The difference was astounding, the more experienced person made the guy seem extremely fluent and professional, while the inexperienced person made him seem more like an average guy
14:35.26jmei'm thinking about grinding my hunter back to aldor
14:35.42jmescryer have nothing for me now that i'm mining and JC instead of LW
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14:37.17jmeheh screw it, that would be a long grind
14:37.35NeeblerHow much is the 1.99$ popcorn chicken?
14:37.46jme$2.75
14:38.32vhaarranyway, if there's a deDE guy around, I'd like SinkLib translated
14:38.34vhaarrbut now I'm off
14:38.38Neeblertouché
14:39.19baer_does the word "consumable" appear somewhere in the game?
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14:41.18Megalonhm
14:41.18sbyup baer_
14:41.20sb"Verbrauchbar"
14:41.46sbbaer_: http://wow.buffed.de/?i=21991
14:42.17baer_sb, thanks
14:42.31[Ammo]sb, are you german?
14:42.45Matrix110he has a german ISP atleast
14:42.58[Ammo]can you translate SinkLib to deDE plix :)
14:43.05[Ammo]it's only 10 or so strings
14:43.09Matrix110iam already translating:P
14:43.28[Ammo]ah ok
14:43.32[Ammo]gogogo :)
14:44.10Killmore7[Ammo]: hi
14:45.49Matrix110hmm i wonder if the FCT has some special name in the deDE client
14:46.06cncfanaticsfloatung combatung textung ?
14:46.18Matrix110nah it would be smth like
14:46.24Matrix110Schwebender Combat Text
14:46.31Matrix110ill ask Google
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14:47.51Matrix110hmm translating sucks if you dont know the german phrases for ingame things^^
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14:50.43MegalonMatrix110: # Es wurde neuer schwebender Kampftext mit einer Reihe von Optionen zum Spiel zugefügt.
14:50.53Matrix110ah thanks
14:50.55Megalon1.12 patchnotes, but i also don't usw deDE
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14:55.08Matrix110hmm which addon is using SinkLib atm?
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14:55.16Matrix110want to see in which context the phrases are displayed
14:56.05CIA-2203cryect * r44885 10Relog/ (GUI_Table.lua tags.lua):
14:56.05CIA-22Relog - Tables now can display data via tags set for each column
14:56.05CIA-22- Sample table Relog:CreateTestTable()
14:56.15[dRaCo]Matrix110: errormonster does
14:56.17Matrix110ah WitchHount has it
14:56.20Matrix110*hunt
14:58.01Cryectsb: btw relog should actually work for displaying data for you know and here a table :-p http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6875/relogtableoc4.jpg
14:58.15sbohhhh
14:58.16sb<3 :)
14:58.32deltronoh nice
14:58.39Cryectneeds a lot more features added to the table code
14:58.57Cryectbut it displays the first 10 log entries at least with whatever columns you add
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15:00.33pb_ee1baer_: http://lzroster.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/enUS/data/tradeskills.php
15:00.40pb_ee1for comments on how to change data
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15:01.35Grumi really wonder why you don't generate more of that pb_eel
15:02.20Grumwhy not make the icon: trades/trade_$sectionname
15:02.43Grumand why not have "name =>" always be equal to: ucfirst( $sectionname )
15:03.24Grumi also dont get:
15:03.25Grum$TRADESKILLS_LOCALE = array(
15:03.25Grum'alchemy' => "Alchemy",
15:03.25Grum'alchimie' => "Alchemy",
15:03.25Matrix110[Ammo]
15:03.27Matrix110http://ace.pastey.net/71352
15:03.31Grumisn't that just the other way around than it should be?
15:03.58Matrix110(not perfect)
15:05.39Grumand kinda funny:
15:05.40Grum$TRADESKILLS_FIELDS = array(
15:05.40Grum'nom' => array(
15:05.47Grumdidn't you mean 'name' => array( there? :)
15:06.10pb_ee1grum: icon trade/trade_sectionname is exactly the same thing than icon => bla bla except that it requires a process and hard-coded string doesn't
15:06.21Grumlol
15:06.47Grumand you assume hardcoded strings are thus better? :)
15:06.47pb_ee1Grum: $TRADESKILLS_LOCALE is the good way around
15:07.03pb_ee1i don't see the point of having the server to process this if you just have to type it
15:07.14Grumright
15:07.17pb_ee1and that lets the user put random icons if he wants
15:07.18Grumnevermind then :)
15:07.24Grumwhy not make it all a static site then?
15:07.30Grumif you just have to type it .. who cares :)
15:07.48pb_ee1Grum, why don't you code your own? at least you will be able to do all the things you wish on it
15:07.53Grumthey can still put in a random icon, just rename the icon? =D
15:08.03CIA-2203ammo * r44886 10SinkLib/Sink-1.0/Sink-1.0.lua: SinkLib: add deDE translation by Matrix110
15:09.12Grum[17:00:39] <pb_ee1> for comments on how to change data <-- remember you were the one who asked for comments :)
15:09.21pb_ee1ho btw, if you have a way to reference the key of a table inside of its definition, i would be glad to see it
15:09.27pb_ee1ho i expressed myself badly again
15:09.41Grumwhy would you need to do that?
15:09.47pb_ee1actually i wanted to say: i added some comments so you can refer to them baer_ for translating the data ;p
15:09.48Grumyou always have the key to get the entry
15:10.07Grumso why not use the key for something as well?
15:10.16Gruminstead of repeating it twice over in the data :)
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15:10.31pb_ee1i already use it to know how many tradeskills there are in the database
15:10.58Grumit's like: key => { name => key, value => value } instead of key => value :)
15:11.17pb_ee1well that would mean each time i call the icon i would have to make img src="trades/trade_".$key.".png"
15:11.26GrumOHNOES! string concat .. zooomg
15:11.41pb_ee1i really don't see where is the point to do that
15:11.49Grummore generic?
15:11.54pb_ee1$key['Icon'] is working very well
15:11.55Grumless editing involved? more clear?
15:12.16Grumlets just say, that file is a bitch to add another language to
15:12.19Grumand its incomplete
15:12.30pb_ee1i think the way i've coded it is much more clear than using the key in the image filename
15:12.53pb_ee1when i see a key, i don't think "ho that's the path of the image", but "ho that's the name of the tradeskill"
15:13.15pb_ee1and when i see key -> icon i immediately think "hum that must be the icon for the tradeskill"
15:13.32Grumput a comment above it? name are your images logically instead of the 1-off-odd-duck which is `trade_engraving` atm
15:14.19Grumalso locales based on 'index' in an array are doomed to cause pain
15:14.33CIA-2203cryect * r44887 10Relog/GUI_Table.lua: Relog - Will fix text to fit within the columns now
15:15.03Grumi wonder how you handle the fact that the
15:15.13Grum'poisons'-locale only has 1 entry in the array :)
15:15.27pb_ee1well, how can you make comments if you don't see how i use the values? :|
15:15.48Grumi can guess how you use them by the way you make the structure
15:15.53pb_ee1ho
15:16.10pb_ee1why do you think i have a 'Name' key?
15:16.38pb_ee1And how do you think i use the 'Locale' thing?
15:16.40Grumredundancy ;)
15:16.49pb_ee1nope
15:16.53GrumenUS = index0, frFR = index1
15:16.58pb_ee1nope
15:17.09pb_ee1'Name' is used for correct translations
15:17.19Grumwhy not use the 'key' for that?
15:17.21pb_ee1I have one id that is common to all languages (alchemy)
15:17.29pb_ee1key* sorry
15:17.33Grumas the key is unique already and *FORCED* to be unique
15:17.34pb_ee1Name is the translation
15:17.47Grumwhy do you need a translation if you have localisation? those should have the translations in it
15:17.49HjalteIs anyone having a working version of Lexan - Or an addon that does the same?
15:18.13pb_ee1grum: that's the translation that you see on the webiste. so a correct word with a capital letter, ...
15:18.27Grumthen make the key with a capital letter and a space?
15:19.01pb_ee1'Locale' is all the occurrences i can find in all the localised versions of wow
15:19.15Grumjust randomly tossed in an array?
15:19.21pb_ee1it is used to link different localisation of a tradeskill
15:19.26Grumor actually 'enGB and then frFR' ? :)
15:19.38pb_ee1randomly. i don't need to know which one corresponds to which one
15:19.53Grumriiight
15:19.55pb_ee1if you only see 'poisons', it means there is one translation for enUS and frFR
15:19.58Grumnow i know why you did it like this
15:20.03Grumyou dont have localisation ..  :)
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15:20.13Grumbecause you do not know which string is which language ;)
15:20.33pb_ee1that's it
15:20.34jmehttp://gruulchant.ytmnd.com/
15:20.39jmehahah
15:20.52pb_ee1i prefer having only one field named 'name' than two fields for each locale
15:21.15pb_ee1moreover, i would not be able to only have one entry for 'poisons' if i did it that way
15:21.46Grumwell you aren't implementing locales like you are implying by the names of the fields
15:21.54Grumyou are just providing 'alternatives'
15:22.09Grumyou can not choose a language therefor it's not locales (localization)
15:22.20pb_ee1nope, not like this
15:22.24Grumi can just recommend you actually use a known way for localization :)
15:22.24pb_ee1if i wanted to do that
15:22.39Grumhow wowace does it is a pretty decent way tbh
15:22.52pb_ee1i'd create a locale file that would contain en, fr, ... and place these variables under the 'Name' value
15:22.52Grumlow on overhead, very easy maintainable
15:22.58pb_ee1true.
15:23.05CIA-2203cryect * r44888 10Recount/ (GUI_Config.lua Widgets.lua): Recount - Moved some code around
15:23.09pb_ee1but php is a pain in the ass for locales
15:23.09Grumvery easy extendable
15:23.13Grumlol
15:23.16Grumand lua is better?
15:23.38pb_ee1at least you don't have to include your locale on each page and check each time which locale you want to use
15:24.07Grumhow do you think lua solved it?
15:24.26hasteyou can use one page in PHP also
15:24.29hasteit all depends on how you code
15:24.34pb_ee1that's horrible haste
15:24.36pb_ee1i hate that ;p
15:24.41Grumwithout looking at the code i bet they have some kind of 'failover' mechanism - you select locale X - it checks if it has it for that string - if not - returns the default locale (which happens to be enUS)
15:24.54pb_ee1if you want to change your design a bit for one page, you have it in the a**
15:25.03Grumnot really
15:25.04hasteI just use mod_rewrite, and a shared index.php, then I have the pages located in a sub folder
15:25.17Grumyou can perfectly code it in 1 phpfile
15:25.25Grumjust not put all code in there ;)
15:25.30pb_ee1i've already coded like that, i find it horribly hard to maintain
15:25.32Grumall logics can be in there - just not all code ;)
15:25.48pb_ee1but hey, seems that some programmers like to do that :p
15:26.00pb_ee1wowhead seems to be like that for example
15:26.11pb_ee1or not, maybe a mod_rewrite module working behind
15:27.05pb_ee1ho, and btw i know what's locales in lua because i already use acelocale for my addon ;)
15:27.09CIA-2203ryuji * r44889 10SinkLib/Sink-1.0/Sink-1.0.lua: SinkLib: add support zhTW localization
15:27.29hastehttp://hastey.pastey.net/71353-3tzm index.php just handles the URLs you input, and direct it to the correct page
15:28.36jmedoes bigwigs basically replace deadly boss mods? most of my guild is using DBM
15:28.43jmei'm using bigwigs
15:28.55pb_ee1what does mean RewriteRule ^(.+) - [PT,L] ?
15:29.05pb_ee1jme: yes
15:29.06Funkeh`if you are using bw, you tell us :)
15:29.09pb_ee1it's his job
15:29.32pb_ee1i have been using it for 3-4 months now (or more?)
15:29.34jmeFunkeh`: well yes, but i didn't know if DBM had any additional functionality that bw lacked or something
15:29.42evl_Quote from http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_rewrite.html
15:29.45evl_`` Despite the tons of examples and docs, mod_rewrite is voodoo. Damned cool voodoo, but still voodoo. ''
15:29.45jmei really like bw personally
15:29.56pb_ee1jme: bigwigs does not have the aggro indicator (red screen)
15:30.02jmepb_ee1: i use omen for that
15:30.04Funkeh`thats good, it means we are getting things right
15:30.07baer_btw, i'm looking for an addon that displays the number of spell "misses" i had in an combat.
15:30.13pb_ee1BUT BigWigs has the best feature in the world: two groups of bars
15:30.32Funkeh`you can use banaialert for agro notification
15:30.36Funkeh`banzaialert
15:30.47pb_ee1no
15:30.52pb_ee1I tried it yesterday
15:31.04pb_ee1vhaarr told me it was cool
15:31.05durcynthat's banzai, and it plugs into ora2.
15:31.13durcynflashes LowHealthFrame
15:31.16pb_ee1it lacks the only feature i'm looking for: the red screen of dbm
15:31.18CIA-2203arith * r44890 10AtlasLoot_OldInstances/original.tw.lua:
15:31.18CIA-22AtlasLoot_OldInstances:
15:31.18CIA-22- fix zhTW file to be in UTF8 mode
15:31.18pb_ee1:'(
15:31.30pb_ee1and it was producing an error last night when i tried it
15:31.35jmepb_ee1: omen does the red screen flash
15:31.39Grumthe 'aggro' screen of DBM is quite good ;)
15:31.44jmeand yells AGGRO
15:31.47jmewhen you pull aggro
15:31.56Grumjme: you sure? :)
15:31.57durcynBanzaiAlert flashes LowHealthFrame just the same as dbm.
15:31.58CIA-2203arith * r44891 10AtlasLoot/TableRegister/loottables.tw.lua:
15:31.58CIA-22AtlasLoot:
15:31.58CIA-22- fix zhTW DewDrop issue
15:32.00pb_ee1jme: i'm not using any ktm/omen (well recount, but this feature is still a bit buggy)
15:32.06[Ammo]jme: get BanzaiAlert
15:32.12pb_ee1durcyn: i'm not talking about that
15:32.15Antiarc|Work"[Blizzard] also mentioned that they hope to look at things like voice fonts (distortion that makes the user's voice sound a bit like the creature they're playing), but for now, they're focused on the basics."
15:32.17Antiarc|Work:O
15:32.18Grum[Ammo]: something with a name like that can only suck! ;D
15:32.21pb_ee1i'm talking about the borders of the screen that becomes red
15:32.24durcynpb_ee1: sounds like you are
15:32.27pb_ee1the WHOLE border
15:32.29durcynpb_ee1: yes, that's LowHealthFrame d
15:32.33pb_ee1d'oh
15:32.36jme[Ammoo]: why, i already have the warnings i want
15:32.40pb_ee1then it was bugged last night :'(
15:32.46durcynpb_ee1: so post the bug
15:32.54pb_ee1i'll try it tonight again then ;p
15:32.54Grumor fix it ;D
15:32.58durcynpb_ee1: it works here so how can i fix it unless you say what's wrong
15:33.14pb_ee1durcyn: sure, i tried it on a mob lvl 5 or so
15:33.26pb_ee1disabled "onlyingroup", and put flash + sound
15:33.32Funkeh`pb_ee1 ?
15:33.33pb_ee1sound = ok, but bug at the same time and no flash
15:33.38Funkeh`pb_ee1: it does have the red flash
15:34.00pb_ee1yep it's what people are telling me atm, but i didn't even see it once in 30 minutes of testing ;p
15:34.07pb_ee1i surely have a bug, i'll look into it tonight
15:34.08Grumwere you in a group? ;)
15:34.22pb_ee1Grum: no, but i had disabled the "only in group" feature
15:34.31pb_ee1so it was working
15:34.38pb_ee1well, the sound, not the flash feature
15:34.42Grumhmm
15:34.59pb_ee1no worries, i'll look into it, you won't be able to help me if i don't give you more info ;p
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15:35.57pb_ee1Antiarc: wow, nice news!
15:36.08pb_ee1i hope they'll do something like this
15:36.10jme?
15:36.14CIA-2203ryuji * r44892 10SinkLib/Sink-1.0/Sink-1.0.lua: SinkLib: add support zhTW localization
15:36.22jmeoh
15:36.24jmenice
15:38.06jmeFisker-: http://www.kanyewest.com/?content=video_cant_tell_alt
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15:39.53durcynpb_ee1: code looks right from here.
15:40.08durcynpb_ee1: try running this manually:  /script UIFrameFlash(LowHealthFrame, 0.2, 0.8, 10, nil, .5, 0)
15:40.28pb_ee1durcyn: i'm noting this down. I'm at work atm so i cannot launch the game
15:40.36durcynoh
15:40.47durcynjust leech it from BanzaiAlert:StartFlashing() then
15:40.50pb_ee1btw, didn't know that UIFrameFlash was implemented by Blizzard :p
15:40.52baer_you can use IRC while at work? :)
15:41.01pb_ee1yep, and svn ;p
15:41.09deltronheh
15:41.10deltronssh ftw
15:41.14pb_ee1that's quite normal, i'm working in a video game company
15:41.19pb_ee1so we need all of this ;p
15:41.36deltronheh which company? :D
15:41.41pb_ee1Eden Games
15:41.48Antiarc|WorkHeh
15:41.50pb_ee1(Test Drive Unlimited, Alone in the Dark 5)
15:41.52Antiarc|Work"hey fellas, i have a suggestion. what about make omen also a damagemeter? i kinda like the large quantity of costumization options and theanimated bars at the top"
15:41.59pb_ee1V-Rally, too
15:42.12deltrongrr
15:42.16pb_ee1Antiarc|Work: lol
15:42.17Ed```hey, does anyone know of any addons which use wholib apart from spamsentry ?
15:42.18deltronwork blocks any url with 'games' in it
15:42.28Wobinhehe costumization
15:42.49Undinehats and capes!
15:43.04durcynoh, nm
15:43.05Undinelol
15:43.15evl_deltron: www.hidemyass.com :)
15:43.30deltronboo, I can't go to edengames.com in links :P
15:43.36evl_the probably hide ass too :P
15:43.59deltronlol
15:44.01deltronprobably
15:44.04deltronnot gonna go there :P
15:44.26pb_ee1deltron: you haven't heard about alone in the dark or v-rally?
15:44.36pb_ee1they are the most famous games of the company i think
15:44.44baer_oO
15:45.13deltronsure I've heard of alone in the dark :D
15:46.09deltronlmao http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/910/wowscrnshot022807024914bp8.jpg
15:46.40pb_ee1the 5 should be out in a couple of months
15:46.45pb_ee1cannot say more ;p
15:47.07deltronI remember playing aitd 1 way back when
15:47.13Amadeodeltron: whoa
15:47.14Amadeohaha
15:47.54pb_ee1deltron: 5 will be insane, graphics are awesome and the gameplay is completely changed
15:48.05pb_ee1and i'm not a fan of aitd ;p
15:48.08deltronsweet
15:48.40pb_ee1but i have really been impressed, it's a long time since i have been so impressed by a game
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16:22.58Roartindonbaer_: Assessment keeps track of spell full resists and partial resists
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16:23.48CryectRoartindon: Question about tagcompiler, why after the first item in a section does Prior turn from prior to true instead of staying as prior?
16:24.10RoartindonCryect: So that the start of a chain assumes true
16:24.21Roartindoneg: blah:blah:blah doesn't cause all of them to automatically return false
16:24.40CryectWhat I mean is if I do blah:blah2..blah3
16:24.45Cryectblah2 gets prior
16:24.49Cryectblah3 gets true
16:24.55Roartindonyep, the precedence is : is higher
16:25.06AmadeoRoartindon: I heard you may be making layouts for PitBull?
16:25.15RoartindonAmadeo: Nope, I haven't touched Pitbull in ages
16:25.18art3misim getting the most awesomebug on my laptop
16:25.19Cryectso if I do blah:(blah2..blah3) would it work then?
16:25.22Amadeodamn
16:25.23Amadeohehe
16:25.33RoartindonCryect: yep
16:25.44art3misinstall myusual addons and suddenly i cant see myself or ANY of the pictures for my gear or inventory
16:25.48CryectRoartindon: thanks! was thinking there has to be a way to simplify expressions that way
16:25.50RoartindonCryect: Probably better use more indicative tagnames of what you're trying to do :)
16:26.19Cryecthaha well here's an example then :-p [Victim:FriendlyC..\"(\"..Health..\"/\"..HealthMax..\")\"]
16:26.33CryectI actually have a hack in place that was kinda holding it over for me
16:26.44Cryectbut was hoping there was a way I didn't have to do my hack :-p
16:27.25RoartindonYeah, the extra bracket will do it for you
16:27.33Cryectthanks then :)
16:27.37RoartindonOh wait
16:27.50Cryectalso is there anyway to get "[" in strings without the compiler thinking its a tag?
16:27.52RoartindonYou want Health(Victim) and HealthMax(Victim) ?
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16:28.01CryectYes
16:28.17CryectIts not pitbull btw I'm working with
16:28.40CryectStuff for Relog
16:29.18RoartindonYep, just thinking.. there were several conflicting problems with chaining tags, and I was thinking of recoding that entire bit sometime because  wasn't happy with it
16:29.28RoartindonYou'll need Victim:Health "/" Victim:HealthMax
16:30.27Cryectk
16:30.36RoartindonThe chain operator's (":") high precendence was due to trying to avoid multiple evaluations if necessary.
16:30.44RoartindonIt means you could do Victim:Health ":" Target:Health
16:30.52CryectI didn't realize it was treating : as an operaton
16:31.02CryectI was thinking it was treating them as sections inbetween :
16:31.11Cryectand each section has to evaluate true before it moves on
16:31.17Roartindonroughly speaking, it converts a:b(c) -> b(data, a, c)
16:31.36Roartindonand a:b:c(d) -> c(data, b(a), d)
16:31.49Roartindonerr.. c(data, b(data, a), d)
16:31.54Cryectah k makes more sense now
16:32.03Roartindonwhere a, b, c, d are your tag.method
16:32.23RoartindonGot any screenshots of relog? :)
16:32.29RoartindonNot on a WoW capable computer atm
16:32.35Cryectone second couple but not much to speak
16:33.34Cryecthttp://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9436/relogem5.jpg and http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6875/relogtableoc4.jpg
16:34.02RoartindonCool, replacement for sws' unilog?
16:34.06Cryectyeah thats the idea
16:34.12RoartindonLooks tidy :)
16:34.57RoartindonCryect: Oh, I wanted to point out a huge huge memory leak in recount to you to
16:34.59Roartindonthat should be a quick fix
16:35.15Cryectoh? all ears
16:35.18RoartindonLet me update quickly to check if it's still there :)
16:35.23CryectProbably
16:35.31Cryecthaven't been tracking down memory issues recently
16:35.33RoartindonIt'll show up as huge ACe2 usage
16:35.36Roartindonrather than recount
16:35.39RoartindonAssessment had the same problem
16:35.46Cryectah prolly why I didn't notice it then
16:35.56RoartindonOkay.. here's the issue:
16:36.02RoartindonRoster:IterateRoster() generates a table when you call it
16:36.06Roartindonand cleans it up when the iteration finishes
16:36.17Roartindonie. when you iterate enough for it to return nil, it deletes the table it allocated
16:36.30Cryectright
16:36.31RoartindonIf you early out in a Roster:IterateRoster() loop, you'll leak a table with a couple of entries every time
16:36.38RoartindonSo eg. Recount:FindUnit()
16:36.39Cryectah damn
16:36.49Cryectso how do I clean it up?
16:37.09RoartindonWhat I did in Assessment was I listen for RosterChanged events, iterate it once and chuck it into a local table
16:37.18RoartindonThen instead of Roster:IterateRoster, I'm doing pairs(localRoster)
16:37.40RoartindonI didn't bother changing the loops that didn't early out
16:37.50Cryectyeah
16:37.54Cryectokay easy enough fix
16:38.06RoartindonI listen for RosterLib_RosterUpdated
16:38.14RoartindonThen update the local list there, then do pairs() on that
16:38.34Punkie`Roartindon: Do you know of any way to get (at least basic) information of what addons are contribution memory to Ace2?
16:38.40deltronI have a funny issue with any damage meter type app, if a hunter has the same named pet as someone in your party, and you merge pet data, that hunter gets all the credit heh
16:38.54RoartindonPunkie`: Not easily, I've been trying to figure out exactly which mods are driving up my Ace2 memory usage
16:39.01jmedeltron: interesting
16:39.15RoartindonPunkie`: And even with my addons disabled (Aloft/Assessment), I'm seeing Ace2 grow quite large
16:39.23jmedeltron: shouldn't happen to us, we name our pets after guildies that gquit
16:39.24kergothdeltron: hah
16:39.26RoartindonPunkie`: I did checks with Expo on Aloft/Assessment.. that's how I found the IterateRoster issue
16:39.27Cryectthanks for that tip on Roster :0
16:39.31Cryect:)
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16:39.48Punkie`Roartindon: Indeed, I've even changed unitframes to see what on earth was causing memory issues in Ace2
16:39.50RoartindonPunkie`: But Expo doesn't work on local functions/etc
16:39.54Punkie`I know
16:39.55deltronyeah, a hunter I group with has a pet named after me, so he got all my damage/healing when pets were merged
16:40.10RoartindonPunkie`: I modified  ItemSync too.. that was leaking memory like crazy
16:40.18Punkie`I don't use that
16:40.35jmedeltron: blizzard bug? or damage meter bug?
16:40.45Punkie`It's just frustrating to see Ace2 grow quite large without being able to understand what is causing it
16:40.50deltrondamage meter bug, it happens in all of the damage meters though
16:40.51RoartindonPunkie`: Yeah, it is
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16:40.56jmedeltron: yeah, makes sense
16:40.57trhPunkie`: we need a ace2eventprofiler (for triggerevent).. i started on one, but unfortunately the results depend on when the mod gets loaded
16:41.05Punkie`I even unhooked ChatFrame2 from my chat addon just incase
16:41.09deltronI was seeing it in Violation last night, and others saw it in DamageMeters
16:41.11trhPunkie`: as only the following "instances" of ace2 get changed :(
16:41.13jmedeltron: kind of like the threat meter bug when you're fighting two mobs that are the same name?
16:41.25Roartindonjme: yep
16:41.28dodgizzla<PROTECTED>
16:41.34RoartindonIt's not so much a bug as a limitation of parsing
16:41.41jmeRoartindon: yeah
16:42.06RoartindonWhen you're told "Deltron attacks Bird for 1000.".. and you havae two things in your group called "Deltron"...... well, things are a bit harder then :)
16:42.08jmemobs should have an association to a spawn id
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16:42.52jmethat would always be unique, like a database primary key set to auto increment
16:43.08Antiarc|WorkSlouken's said we won't get that.
16:43.20CryectThe game client actually has the information
16:43.34deltronyeah it's funny
16:43.36jmeah
16:43.39Cryectclientside is where the logs get created based on units
16:43.47Cryectif it can't find the unit it calls it Unknown
16:45.25kergothmjc: git://git.kergoth.com/addonset.git - http://covenant.kergoth.com/files/git-addonset-workflow.txt  whatcha think?  do the clone, then git submodule init (to populate your .git/config with the modules), then git submodule update.   the only annoyance i have is that when you do an update, it checks out the exact sha1 object that was stored in the set repo, i modified my git-submodule to check if the HEAD of master == that sha1, just checkout
16:45.25kergoth<PROTECTED>
16:47.39Amadeokergoth is submissive, I knew it!
16:47.56kergothheh
16:48.22AmadeoI still haven't chosen a new server :(
16:49.26RoartindonCryect: I was interested in adding some graphing stuff to Assessment - would you be okay with this. There may well be some overlap of Recount/Assessment if I do
16:49.27Amadeoanyone play EST PvP? :P
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16:49.57RoartindonCryect: I was also interested in whether you could get away with less frames in GraphLib, it seems like textures should be enough in a number of places, rather than full frames
16:51.55CryectPotentially
16:52.06CryectSome places if there is a frame its because I was planning to do something more
16:52.54RoartindonCryect: ah. I see CreateFrame("StatusBar") where I think I would have tried frame:CreateTexture
16:53.00Cryectoh wait you said graphlib
16:53.04Roartindonyeah
16:53.07CryectStatusbar is faster
16:53.26Cryectthere is no unnecessary frames I can think of in graphlib, they all have their purpose that I know of :-p
16:53.48CryectMight be something small like speed or something like organizing texture levels
16:53.49RoartindonAh.. interesting.. I would have thought frames were a heavier internal object than a texture region
16:54.06CryectSetValue for statusbar is faster than SetHeight for textures
16:54.32Cryectthe other option is using a triangle texture and changing texture coordinates but that doesn't let the use of gradients which I like
16:55.04Roartindonhmm.. I'm guessing because SetHeight for textures triggers a relayout, whereas SetValue doesn't?
16:55.08Cryectright
16:55.16Cryectsetvalue is internal c code or something
16:55.25CIA-2203sayclub * r44893 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua: .Babble-Spell-2.2: - added some spells
16:55.43RoartindonOkay, that answers yet anther question I had
16:55.55Roartindonwhether it'd be quicker to use a cyclic bar buffer for realtime graphs
16:56.02Cryectoriginally was SetHeight till Josh_Borke suggested the cchange
16:56.31Funkeh`~seen nymbia
16:56.33purlnymbia <n=nymbia@71-218-154-164.hlrn.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 4d 10h 25m 29s ago, saying: 'ZealotOnAStick: ok, that's the one then.  quickfix would be to just drop the ## X-LoadOn-Slash:line in the toc'.
16:56.33Cryectheh and no for anyone listening since it forces the frame layouter to do stuff which is slow as balls
16:56.38CIA-2203mecdemort * r44894 10PeriodicTable-3.0/ (3 files in 2 dirs): PeriodicTable-3.0:- Added Misc.Currency - Items traded to venders
16:56.44baer_q
16:56.48baer_oops
16:56.53Cryectthey need to optimize their code for determing frames
16:57.07RoartindonDo texture coordinates wrap?
16:57.14Cryectyou can have something wtih 20k textures it displays fine but if you do something with it then bam huge hit
16:57.16Roartindonor are they clamped?
16:57.19Cryectno clamped
16:57.35RoartindonThat means you could use a simple texture, and just adjust the texture coordinates?
16:58.10Cryectyeah
16:58.25Cryector the triangle texture approach also
16:58.48Cryectwhere you change the X texture coordinate for the corresponding height
17:00.26CryectI need to think about how I could redo pie charts for speed sometime
17:00.51Cryectyou can get about 10 FPS wiht a constant updating one
17:01.16CryectI think SetTexture might be the issue
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17:02.52RoartindonHave a pool of textures of a particular size, and reparent/position as nececssary, to avoid SetTexture?
17:03.37Cryectyeah
17:03.41Cryectwould mean more textures
17:03.46Cryectbut hopefully faster
17:03.58CryectI need to do some perf tests
17:04.58jmeCryect: http://tinyurl.com/2krkan
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17:07.36RoartindonCryect: If you have any questions/problems/requests for TagCompiler, let me know.. so far, I don't know of anyone else that's used it.... so it's been tailored to my needs only so far :)
17:08.10Cryectk cool
17:08.25trhomg... http://www.chumby.com <- ME WANT!
17:09.13AmadeoYou don't want the Eee PC?
17:09.30trhnot really :)
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17:11.28buchkurishgnome rogue pwn?
17:12.29AmadeoChumby would have to be pretty cheap for me to want it
17:12.33jmeCryect: our realm forums are dead :(
17:12.46trhjme: they prolly deserved it :P
17:12.55jmetrh: bah
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17:13.12dodgizzlackknight: Is there any way to suppress a spell in Parrot? I get the mana gains from Mana Spring Totem, but adding "(Mana Spring)" to Suppressions doesn't help :\
17:13.19trhjme: you don't get postings different from "xyz ganked me" "guild zyx sucks...", do you? =)
17:13.34buchkurishdoes anyone know what race is the best for rogue, pvp, aliance
17:13.37jmetrh: all the time, seems to happen less lately
17:13.50ckknightdodgizzla: when receiving mana from Mana Spring, does the text (Mana Spring) show up?
17:14.31Cryectjme: yeah hence I don't read them, especially since they are about people I odn't know :-p
17:14.36CryectI occasionally look at my old realm forum
17:14.39Cryectbut they are just as dead
17:14.48dodgizzlackknight: Interesting question :D I have it suppressed via SimpleCombatLog... :> Let me enable the normal combat log
17:16.13ckknightugh
17:16.13ckknightno!
17:16.21ckknightin Parrot, goddammit
17:16.25QuantumDeltalol
17:16.30ckknightwhy won't you people understand suppressions yet?
17:16.30art3misparrot is for the birds ;P
17:16.36ckknightI've explained them far too often
17:16.50QuantumDeltadocumentation then tell them to rtfm? :P
17:16.52ckknightdodgizzla: suppressions work by text matching.
17:16.52ckknightthat's all
17:17.06ckknightit's on the forums in multiple places on the parrot thread, QuantumDelta
17:17.10trhain't text matching on every combat event terribly slow? :/
17:17.29ckknightit's not on every combat event, it's on every Parrot messsage
17:17.51trhah.. ok.. only self messages usually then :)
17:17.53dodgizzlackknight: It shows up as "You gain XX Mana from Mana Spring Totem's Mana Spring"
17:17.59QuantumDeltaheh
17:18.05QuantumDeltayou're so gonna burn
17:18.06QuantumDelta:P
17:18.08ckknightdodgizzla: did you not read what I fucking _just said_?
17:18.12ckknightJesus fucking christ
17:18.17ckknightI'm done with you
17:18.18ckknightI'm gonna take a shower
17:18.20Cryecthaha
17:18.22ckknightget the dirty feeling off
17:18.36dodgizzlaehee
17:18.44Roartindonckknight: can you wash fred out of my assessment forum thread while you're at it? :P
17:18.52Roartindonckknight: And his recent Aloft forum threat post too :)
17:18.56jmehaha
17:18.58ckknightlink?
17:19.12Roartindonoh., nothing major, he just irritates me no end
17:19.26Roartindonit's like the wowace forums are his own personal troubleshooting playground
17:20.14Roartindoneg. things like http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=5618.msg122957#msg122957
17:21.12mitch0can someone enlighten me about all those table = del(table) stuff? (where del usually iterates over the table nil'ling everything)?
17:21.17dodgizzlackknight: Then why again did I need to add parenthesis to other buff gains? :P
17:21.30mitch0why is it necessary? isn't nil'ling the table enough?
17:21.33Roartindonmitch0: It's so that the reference to the table is removed
17:21.39RoartindonFor garbage collection purposes
17:21.45Roartindoneg. if you have a = { }
17:21.48Roartindondel(a)
17:21.48ckknightdodgizzla: because buffs show up as (Name) or -(Name)
17:21.50ckknightin Parrot
17:21.51mitch0ok, but shouldn't table = nil be enough?
17:21.57Roartindonthe collectgarbage(), the table will still exist in memory
17:21.57durcynthe hell, roar?  oh, god, he's retarded.
17:22.01IxanHey, I'm having mobs show up in assessment on "damage dealt" display set. Possible to exclude them?
17:22.13Roartindonbut if you have: a = del(a). the table will be emptied, and it'll be put up for garbage collection
17:22.23durcynRoartindon: the best part is, i get bitched at when i tell people like that to go away
17:22.36durcyn"oh, i guess people are right when they call us snobs"
17:22.45durcyn"no, but i'm right when i call that guy an idiot."
17:22.51mitch0roartindon: I get that part. I don't get the body of del() actually. what's the point in nil'ling the table elements?
17:23.01dodgizzlackknight: Okay, so actually there is no way to filter a specific spell because Mana Spring appears as power gain in Parrot?
17:23.08mitch0shouldn't releasing the table ref be enough?
17:23.12Roartindonmitch0: so that the table can be recycled :)
17:23.16Roartindonie. if b = new()
17:23.19Roartindonand there's no collection in between
17:23.23Roartindonthen it'll reuse the table, which is properly empty
17:23.42ckknightdodgizzla: you could change the text of the power gain, you could filter power gains by a certain amount
17:23.46mitch0hm
17:23.49RoartindonIxan: Two things to check: Damage Dealt -> List Type, either should be Group Members
17:24.05Roartindonor you can use Damage Dealt -> List Type -> Damage Dealers, with Filter Type -> Group Members
17:24.19mitch0okay, but if I don't do this stuff, just release the ref to my tables it won't lead to leaks, right? I do this fairly rarely
17:24.28dodgizzlackknight: Hm k, then I'll filter out everything below 16 Mana
17:24.40Ixangroup members also mean all in raid I reckon?
17:25.02Roartindonmitch0: well, I guess it's to reduce script memory growth
17:25.09Ixandid the charm
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17:25.18Roartindonmitch0: eg. do: /script for i= 1,1000000 local a = { } end
17:25.31Roartindonmitch0: And your script memroy will go up quite a few megabytes
17:25.33mitch0yeah, well, it'll grow till the next GC
17:25.38RoartindonIt will be reclaimed, yes, when the next GC occurs
17:25.53Roartindonbut the whole del/new is to prevent the need for GC trigger.
17:26.10mitch0alrighty then, I won't deal with it. I have 3 tables that are replaced like every hour at most :)
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17:26.25Roartindonmitch0: Probably not a huge thing to worry about if its that infrequent :)
17:27.11mitch0thanks for the explanation though ;)
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17:27.22kergothmitch0: add pulls a table from the pool if it exists, otherwise allocates new.  del puts it back in the pool.  generally the pool is weak, so any tables in it across a gc may get cleared out, but optimally the pool is mostly empty
17:27.35Roartindondurcyn: I've given up trying to try and fix fred's problems :)
17:27.47Roartindondurcyn: He's posted some of the strangest problems that no one else notices in many threads
17:28.05Roartindondurcyn: And whenever I ask him for more details, I never get it.. so.. screw him :)
17:28.12mitch0btw, does anyone have party frames and raid frames displayed together with pitbull?
17:28.17Dustwhisper|aguf question, is it possible for the health and manabars to have a static color
17:28.22Dustwhisper|mine always fades when i lose health
17:28.23Dustwhisper|and i hate it
17:28.42Roartindonmitch0: I do when I'm healing
17:28.58Roartindonmitch0: Are you getting the whole screen-blocked-out problem?
17:29.34mitch0I'm getting the "hide raid frames" -> it hides party frames as well, but then I can't get the party frames back
17:30.02mitch0don't know what you mean by the screen-block
17:30.21RoartindonWhen a 5th player joins the group, sometimes my entire screen gets blocked out
17:30.35Roartindonor 3/4 of it or so.. I should post a screenshot
17:30.40mitch0blocked out as in freeze?
17:30.48mitch0or just covered with black?
17:30.51Roartindonblocked out as in solid color, unable to see anything
17:30.54mitch0ah
17:30.55Roartindonnot necessarily black
17:31.05RoartindonSometimes white, sometimes dark blue, sometimes gray...
17:31.08mitch0thankfully I haven't seen that (yet) :)
17:31.09Antiarc|WorkHrm
17:31.16Antiarc|WorkI'm getting a Deadly Poison tick time of 3.11 sec
17:31.34mitch0antiarc: I'm getting a hunter shot minrange of 9.5. so? :)
17:31.49Antiarc|Workmitch0: Huh?
17:31.58buchkurishdoes anyone know what the best race for rogue is, aliance
17:31.59Roartindonmitch0: I'm relatively certain it was the thing that was causing Pitbull to crash clients for various people pre 2.1.2
17:32.01mitch0actually, it seems the Hawk Eye talent makes it even worse, somewhere over 10yd
17:32.18Dustwhisper|ehm what's the /command you type again to log console for WWS ?
17:32.29Antiarc|Work<PROTECTED>
17:32.31Antiarc|WorkErr
17:32.32Antiarc|Work<PROTECTED>
17:32.37kergothmitch0: ever get the fix for the 41 yard thing verified? i havent played my hunter lately, havent had a chance
17:32.40mitch0antiarc: it's supposed to be 8yds, but in reality it's 9.5
17:32.50Dustwhisper|thx mate
17:32.58mitch0kergoth: not yet, but I created a 70 hunter on PTR, just haven't got time to log in yet :)
17:33.18kergothah :)
17:33.46mitch0I'll try to log in now. never been to PTR before. *thrill*
17:34.13jmeuhh
17:34.17mitch0I should start some different .exe, right?
17:34.25jmewhy put 41 points into the survival tree and not get readiness
17:34.34jmewell, 40 points, but still
17:34.48Roartindonckknight: h ave you ever seen this problem before?
17:34.54Roartindonhttp://www.lim.com.au/wow/PitBullProblem1.jpg
17:34.57Roartindonhttp://www.lim.com.au/wow/PitBullProblem2.jpg
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17:35.24jmeexpose weakness looks like a really good party buff
17:35.57trhjme: depends alot on how much agi you got
17:36.00mitch0hm. I started some patch.exe. hope it doesn't screw up my live install
17:36.05jmetrh: 533 unbuffed
17:36.12Josh_Borkehrmph, hate being pinged for no reason :-P
17:36.14jmetrh: and i'm 41/20 BM/MM right now
17:36.23Roartindonmitch0: It creates it in the subdirectory of live
17:36.24trhjme: that's only 133 agi, so usually 133 ap
17:36.28Roartindonmitch0: So your live stays untouched :)
17:36.32trhjme: prolly be better to go MM and give themt he aura ;)
17:36.44jmetrh: we already have a MM hunter for that :)
17:36.55mitch0but some faq told me about moving stuff around (which I didn't do, 'cos I'm lazy to read that again :)
17:36.56trhjme: still 3% crit aura due to pet
17:36.58jmei'm constantly in top 2-3 dps spots with my spec and gear
17:37.01trhjme: which is worth more
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17:37.55trhjme: (cause the 3% work on casters too :)
17:37.55mitch0well, it's at 33% already, so there's no way back now ;)
17:38.27jmetrh: hm
17:38.54trhjme: i don't see any sense in survival unless you got at least like 800+agi buffed
17:39.07jmetrh: fair enough
17:40.12Roartindonckknight: Ooops.. you missed my screenshot links..didn't see you disconnect/recoonect.. http://www.lim.com.au/wow/PitBullProblem1.jpg   http://www.lim.com.au/wow/PitBullProblem2.jpg
17:40.35Roartindonckknight: Not sure if it's been reported before; but I know others in my guild have complained about it
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17:43.58CIA-2203jerry * r44895 10GridAlert/ (6 files in 3 dirs): GridAlert: bugfixes. Added options for Sink output.
17:44.00CIA-2203ckknight * r44896 10Cartographer/Cartographer_Notes/Notes.lua: Cartographer_Notes - add option to db registration to prevent note deletion for 3rd-party databases. (This is good for say, leveling guides or other fixed information).
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17:45.16art3misheh tonight at midnight is the Adult Swim tribute to the simpsons ;P
17:45.32art3misall the adultswim characters have been simpsonized
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17:45.47trhgot tickets for the movie tomorrow :)
17:45.50CIA-2203benumbed * r44897 10Sphere/: Sphere: - Fix Externals
17:46.08art3mismoi aussi ;)
17:46.23trhand it ROCKS that our local cinema plays the US-version
17:46.28trhnot that stupid synchronized bullshit
17:46.48art3misnice bonus there
17:47.16trhsynchronized simpsons are the horror.. it's so bad
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17:48.06art3misoh thers a pretty neat 30min special thingy on the intraweb from The Culture(british E type show) all about the simpsons
17:48.24art3misstephen hawking is the single most awesome person  on the planet
17:49.02art3mis"they only got 2 things wrong about my chair in that episode, i don't like pizza and i wouldnt use a boxing glove, although there have been times when i'd be sorelytempted"
17:49.21trhhehe
17:49.47art3misignoring the fact his chair has lasers a coper blade a toothbrsh and rocket packs
17:49.51mitch0erm, ptr client has its own addons folder? :)
17:49.53art3miscopter
17:49.58durcynmitch0: Yes.
17:50.17durcynWoWTest\Interface\Addons
17:50.18art3misthe entire ptrclient is "seperate" from the main one
17:51.41trhbtw: the simpsons movie started in germany today, not tomorrow like they always say in the trailers :P
17:51.56art3misheh yeah
17:52.09art3misthey did a 2 day early thingy for transformers in nyc too
17:52.16art3misadvertised on the 4th
17:52.31art3mispublic consumption on the 3rd and sneak preview on the 2nd
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17:53.44trhart3mis: i think it's because new movies start always on thursday in germany =)
17:53.46art3mishas anyone seen the promos for "The Pathfinders"?
17:54.07art3misthe trailer thing im not sure if its a straight to dvd movie or a mmorpg
17:56.21Fisker-whta's "sink"?
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17:56.36jmeFisker-: something you wash your hands in?
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17:56.43Fisker-i'm gonna kill you
17:56.46jme:(
17:56.52Fisker-<PROTECTED>
17:56.53NightHawkAtWorkfisker washes his hands in the toilet. *nod*
17:56.56jmelol
17:57.00Fisker-indeed NightHawkAtWork
17:57.05ckknightFisker-: it's a generic combat text output system
17:57.06Chompor your genitals, if you're a hobo
17:57.14Fisker-oh
17:57.14art3mishahaha
17:57.32zacckknight: I forget, but were you havin' trouble with spell school lockouts? http://hiks.net/drop/wow/holycooldowns.jpg came up last night
17:57.37NightHawkAtWorki think the technical term is FCT Abstraction layer? :P
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17:57.55art3mistalking about the hd-dvd and blu-ray market shares someone made th comment of "if highlander comes out on both formats will it be ironic?"
17:58.00Fisker-that reminds me
17:58.07art3misthere can be only one!
17:58.09ckknightzac: *sigh* I thought I fixed it, I suppose not
17:58.09Fisker-Divine Protection and Divine Shield become ready at the same time
17:58.12Fisker-because they share cooldown
17:59.15mitch0kergoth: it seems hawk eye has nothing to do with the 8yd range going to 10yd+. it's just an effect of the character model. just tested it with a tauren huntard
17:59.29kergothah.  what models are affected?
17:59.42Josh_Borkekergoth:  update LT.  you should get a tooltip when you mouse-over a set name in /lt sets
17:59.49kergothneat, will do
18:00.07kergothman, i need to switch to my git addonset asap.. i'm trying to maintain both atm, annoying to keep up with
18:01.15CIA-2203jerry * r44898 10lern2count/Core.lua: lern2count: finally fix some last longing bugs
18:01.30mitch0probably big ones
18:01.55mitch0but somehow I didn't have this problem with my orc warrior... you had an orc hunter, right?
18:02.00kergothyep, male orc
18:02.04kergothblood fury ftw
18:02.06kergoth:)
18:02.49CIA-2203ckknight * r44899 10Parrot/Data/Cooldowns.lua: Parrot_Cooldowns - fix a big
18:02.56trh_blood fury killed my arena team once.. =)
18:03.27CIA-2203ckknight * r44900 10Parrot/Data/Cooldowns.lua: Parrot_Cooldowns - see Divine Shield and Divine Protection as a group.
18:04.00mitch0I really hope it doesn't affect warriors, 'cos then I'd be screwed :(
18:04.14mitch0at what level do warriors gain Charge?
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18:04.36kergothi wonder why i didnt see the 41 yard thing in the past though.. either i missed it, or something chnaged when i updated range* or respec'd to gain hawk eye.
18:04.39kergothhmm
18:04.51mitch0it didn't have out-of-range display back then
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18:04.59mitch0it would just disappear shortly. less noticable
18:05.18NightHawkAtWorkmitch0: level 4
18:05.36kergothi dont have it displaying when out of range atm.. unless it doesnt pay attention to that option for that, since its between ranges, not beyond max?
18:05.40mitch0hm. too high :)
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18:06.11jkwI've got some wierd problem with PitBull, sometimes it loads layouts just fine and sometimes it don't. And they aren't saved when I logout. :/
18:06.13mitch0kergoth: problem was that it detected it as out-of-range, thus the 41 + (or empty) dispaly
18:06.23Antiarc|Workckknight: Perhaps I've missed it, but are there options to change the offsets or positions of the scroll areas in Parrot?
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18:06.27jkwI blame the logout problem at Wine.
18:06.32kergothwhat i'm saying is that i dont have the rangedisplay option checked to display when out of range
18:06.38kergothbut i still see 41+, not empty
18:06.44ckknightAntiarc|Work: yea, under scroll areas, go to config mode and then position: horiz/vert
18:06.47kergothonly between those ranges, when outo f range its empty
18:06.50Antiarc|WorkAh, okay
18:06.51Antiarc|WorkThanks
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18:07.15Josh_Borkehas anyone done memory/cpu usage comparison vs parrot
18:07.31Josh_Borkemsbt and sct etc
18:07.36kergothparrot's too damn sexy for me to go back to msbt/sct now, regardless of its performance
18:07.38kergoth:D
18:08.17Mudkipsso parrot's a new sct?
18:08.34Mudkipsgot some screenies? ^^
18:09.03Matrix110install it and try it
18:09.09Matrix110and screenies say nothing
18:09.11Matrix110you want a vid:P
18:09.36MudkipsI won't remember when I get home T_T
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18:09.58Josh_Borkethis new ace autodoc is annoying
18:10.18art3misSAVE ME JEBUS!
18:10.36trh_spider pig... spider pig... does whatever spider pig does... ;)
18:10.38Antiarc|WorkWhy annoying?
18:10.50Josh_BorkeAntiarc|Work: because it over-writes the entire article
18:10.52Dustwhisper|In agUnitframes is it possible to have the healthbar stay the same color even when you have low HP? I set it to a color i want but when i go low on HP it fades into pink >_<
18:10.56Antiarc|WorkNo it doesn't
18:10.59Antiarc|WorkIt's an include.
18:11.01Josh_Borkeah, ok
18:11.11Antiarc|WorkCheck the source on any page with autodoc
18:11.21Antiarc|WorkOnly the API stuff is overwritten
18:11.27xtAntiarc|Work: why is omen stopping to sync
18:11.31xtand then starting agaim
18:11.34xtsoooo annoying
18:11.40xtonly from our MT
18:11.41Antiarc|Workxt: Elaborate?
18:11.49xthis TPS is like -25
18:11.52Antiarc|WorkIt's stopping and starting unexpectedly?
18:11.55xtyeah
18:11.59xtonly from him
18:12.01Antiarc|WorkTPS can be negative in the event of a threat clear at the moment
18:12.03Antiarc|WorkHrm
18:12.06xtno threat clear
18:12.07MOJO-JOJOhad that here several times aswell.
18:12.11xtit's like 9k
18:12.12Mudkipsmaybe he needs to update
18:12.12xt9k
18:12.13xt9k
18:12.18xt14k
18:12.21xt14k
18:12.28xtand so forth
18:12.29MOJO-JOJOamg ban its spamming! ;p
18:12.38xtso it syncs, but just reallly really slow or something
18:12.39Antiarc|WorkErr. Negative TPS shouldn't be possible if there isn't a threat clear or reduction in the fight.
18:12.47xtI beg to differ :)
18:13.03Antiarc|WorkHrm. Can you have him dump a list of his mods and send them to me, along with his threat revision?
18:13.13Antiarc|WorkOr better yet --
18:13.18Antiarc|WorkHave him zip up his addons folder and send that to me
18:13.25Antiarc|WorkI haven't been able to replicate this issue to date
18:13.32HjalteAntiarc, is there any known problems with the Midnight fight in Karazhan? Or does it just not work well when other people are using ktm?
18:13.34Antiarc|WorkI suspect it's a conflict between two mods somewhere.
18:13.52trh_xt: which locale does he use?
18:13.54Antiarc|WorkHjalte: It works perfectly for me and my group. Older versions of KTM will screw up since they don't clear threat on the transition though
18:13.58MOJO-JOJOAntiarc|Work, i think 2 weeks ago omen kept resetting when magtheridon was being banished, did you know that yet?
18:13.59xttrh_: european english
18:14.06xtAntiarc|Work: its no transitions
18:14.16Antiarc|WorkMOJO-JOJO: I've not seen a report of that, no.
18:14.37MOJO-JOJOWell each time he got banished, omen was cleared totally
18:14.42MOJO-JOJOfor everyone in the raid
18:14.46Antiarc|WorkWas someone doing a manual clear, by chance?
18:14.52xtno
18:14.55MOJO-JOJOim quite sure they were not.
18:14.58Antiarc|WorkHrm. Okay.
18:15.00xtit happens with this guy alot antiarc
18:15.07xtbefore he used to stop completely
18:15.13xtnow it's just really really slow updates
18:15.13Antiarc|WorkI've been doing Magtheridon for a while now with it working just fine
18:15.20Josh_Borketell him to use ktm then :-P
18:15.25MOJO-JOJOhm if we do him this week ill check again
18:15.27Antiarc|Work<PROTECTED>
18:15.33xthttp://paparazzi.h4x.no/files/Addons.rar
18:15.41Antiarc|WorkMOJO-JOJO: We'll be doing him on Sunday - I'll keep an eye out for it
18:15.45Antiarc|WorkPerfect, xt, thank you!
18:15.46xtit's these ones, updated with wowaceup, that .rar-file is really old version
18:15.58Antiarc|WorkAh, okay.
18:16.08xthe just updated though, so it's not that
18:16.10Antiarc|WorkIf you can get him to send me his current setup, that'd be preferred
18:16.15Antiarc|WorkBut I'll take a look at this
18:16.31xtThanks
18:16.58MOJO-JOJOAntiarc|Work, we barely do magtheridon anymore so i cant test much :p
18:17.03Antiarc|WorkHehe, okay
18:17.07Antiarc|WorkWell, lemme know if you see it happen
18:17.14MOJO-JOJOand when we do ppl cba to click
18:17.15Antiarc|WorkMOJO-JOJO: What locale are you in?
18:17.16MOJO-JOJOits awesome really
18:17.32MOJO-JOJOuhm i dont understand what you mean
18:17.41NightHawkAtWork<PROTECTED>
18:17.41Antiarc|Worklike, enUS, or deDE, or whatever
18:17.44Antiarc|WorkYour client language
18:17.52MOJO-JOJOEnGb
18:17.53Antiarc|WorkSimpler question: EU or US?
18:17.56Antiarc|WorkOoh, okay.
18:18.02Antiarc|WorkMaybe a mistranslation in the Magtheridon module.
18:18.09Chompckk: Parrot-r44849\Code\ScrollAreas.lua:281: attempt to index local 'opt' (a nil value)
18:18.41MOJO-JOJOanyways i got my guild to start using it and everyone likes it so far :) so good job and keep it going
18:18.45Antiarc|Workxt: Your .rar looks like it includes both !!!SAL and disembedded libs
18:18.53Antiarc|WorkAny particular reason?
18:19.11CIA-2203aliset * r44901 10SendSelf/ (Locale-deDE.lua Locale-enUS.lua README.txt sendself.lua):
18:19.11CIA-22SendSelf:
18:19.11CIA-22- /sendself onlyalts - only autocomplete for your alts
18:19.25xtAntiarc|Work: hm
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18:19.51mitch0darn, no tauren warrior premade...
18:19.55Josh_Borkekergoth: make a video of parrot and put on youtube
18:20.05MOJO-JOJOuhgr, drdamage is annoying me now :p
18:20.15Josh_BorkeMOJO-JOJO: revert or don't use?
18:20.27yacoobGuildWars Monk >> WoW Priest
18:20.30yacoob(in the terms of fun)
18:20.34art3misyeah
18:20.42art3miscept that whole lack of jumping thing ;)
18:20.53Antiarc|Workxt: If he has two copies, one in !!!SAL and one in Threat-1.0, that -might- explain it
18:21.01xtyeah
18:21.01Antiarc|WorkI'll install this rar and do an update tonight
18:21.01art3mishey anti
18:21.05xti'll have a chat with him
18:21.05mitch0anyone got a tauren warrior who'd like to test RangeDisplay in the 9-10yd range with enemy targets?
18:21.06Antiarc|WorkAnd see if I can replicate it
18:21.10MOJO-JOJOJosh_Borke, i update daily i have no idea what version i was using be4:p
18:21.11Antiarc|WorkHey art3mis
18:21.13yacoobscrew jumping, but the look of two assassins trying to stomp me out, and me staying at full hp is priceless :D
18:21.24art3miscan you think of any ace libs or addons that would hinder the display of item pictures or models?
18:21.31yacooband I'm using noobish build that came premade with the char.
18:22.00Antiarc|Workart3mis: Not that I can think of. Elaborate on the problem?
18:22.08mitch0yacoob: like 0 talents spent? :) at least my premade didn't have any talents
18:22.36art3misrunning standard ui with only a uf mod ican see myself, running my normal collection of addons on my new laptop(fresh addon instllations) im invisible and NOTHING in my character sheet or bags displays a picture
18:22.43yacoobmitch0, it goes the other way round in GuildWars :) You pick skills, 8 to be used in the battle from the whole bunch of ~300 skills available for class
18:22.47NeoTronit just seems rather inefficient
18:22.57NeoTronbut I don't know of another addon that has the featureset needed
18:23.02yacoobmitch0, and as it was my first Monk ever, I only have few basic skills. Still, I'm winning and having fun. Joy! :D
18:23.28art3misthe only thing i see in the invisible part is the smoke from my shadowform and the shadow underneath me
18:23.50mitch0oh, thought you were talking about wow
18:23.52art3misand if i mount then dismount im suddenly visible but naked
18:23.56mitch0nevermind then ;)
18:23.59yacoobmitch0, :)
18:24.21mitch0how long would it take to lvl a tauren warrior to lvl 4? :)
18:24.26art3misguildwars is pretty fun though for amostly free mmo
18:24.27Antiarc|Workart3mis: Exit WoW, nuke your Cache/<locale>/data directory
18:24.31Antiarc|WorkThen start WoW back up again
18:24.32art3mismartial heroes is good too
18:24.39art3misdone that
18:24.41Antiarc|WorkHrm
18:24.44yacoobI hardly ever miss WoW. Some concepts are fun, but I'm getting bored anyway :>
18:24.54art3misthat was my first thought
18:25.20art3miswow suffers from plateus
18:25.27art3misplateaus
18:25.42art3misits fun in bursts but then you run out of fun things and  it turns to grinds
18:25.48art3misat least for solo play
18:25.52NightHawkAtWorkmitch0: about ten minutes if you're slow. :P
18:25.57art3mistoo much of the game is reliant on other people
18:25.57Antiarc|Workart3mis: Have you turned off Checksum Offloading and/or duplex settings?
18:26.07Antiarc|WorkIn your network card config
18:26.08ckknightmitch0: 25 minutes
18:26.16yacoobart3mis, come... come to GW... :D
18:26.26ckknightmitch0: max
18:26.35NightHawkAtWorkart3mis: well, it is an mmo, other people are the kind of the point ;)
18:26.36art3misoh  nope, ill give that a shot... just seems odd that with only a uf its fine but with the rest of the addons its gimped
18:26.40NightHawkAtWorks/mmo/mmog/
18:26.52Cheadsparrot rocks.. does it have cooldown notify thing?
18:27.04art3misnight: thats true, but there should also be things to do with small groups that ISNT  a repetative instance
18:27.31art3misyacoob: heh i should fire up my gw account for mindless fun
18:27.36ckknightCheads: sure does.
18:27.41art3misthe best thing about gw is the npcs
18:27.57art3misi love hiring lackeys to come group with me so i dont have to talk to other people ;P
18:28.06NeoTronWTB 2xwarlock tier 5 pieces
18:28.51NeoTronI think so far we've had a whole single piece drop for locks/mages/hunters
18:28.59NeoTronwhich is bull. we need more!
18:29.07xtAntiarc|Work: i got him to delete the nonembedded one, we'll see
18:29.24yacoobart3mis, IGN?
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18:30.12NeoTronMMO's is definitely very often boring without other ppl
18:30.26NeoTronI stayed in SWG a lot longer I should have due to the friends and community and such
18:30.42NeoTronbut when ppl started leaving, the reason to stay diminished
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18:32.16NeoTron2 piece tier 5 come patch 2.2 makes that spec so much more viable
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18:38.24xb95I want to create small mods that do little things. I.e., an auto-inviter when someone whispers a keyword, a mailing list mass-mailer, and other little things. Is it "best practice" to make these separate add-ons, or make them one add-on and use Load on Demand or similar functionality (if that's even possible)?
18:38.50Matrix110mass-mailers doesnt work anymore
18:39.18Matrix110orwell
18:39.18Matrix110for 20ppl orso
18:39.21Matrix110but then you gotta wait 1hr-.-
18:39.31xb95an hour? wtf? X_x
18:39.51trh_better than getting spams hourly :)
18:40.05xb95but anyway, pick another example that does work. I want to create a bunch of little things (as I'm new to addon development) but I'm not certain how I should approach packaging
18:40.25trh_start by looking at other code
18:40.26ckknightxb95: imho, it might be better to make them each small, separate addons
18:40.31trh_and trying to understand it
18:41.01Cheadsckknight thanks a bunch.. I just had to look a bit to find it =)
18:41.13Antiarc|Workxb95: Generally, you have one concept per addon
18:41.24Antiarc|Workxb95: Are you wanting to do this to learn, or to have the mods?
18:41.39Antiarc|Work(oRA2 does invite-by-keyword, Postal does quick mailing stuff)
18:41.41CIA-2203cryect * r44902 10Recount/ (Recount.lua Sync.lua Tracker.lua): Recount - Adds start of new sync system
18:41.44xb95To have the mods, they're requests from my guild, mostly, as well as my own little list of things I've wanted.
18:41.57xb95I know oRA2 does, but they want to drop oRA2 as they don't use anything in it except that functionality. :)
18:42.07Antiarc|WorkAh, okay :)
18:42.09ckknightxb95: yea, pretty much one addon = one task. The exception to this would be a framework-style addon such as Cartographer (but everything still deals with the map)
18:42.13Chompeven MT frames?
18:42.37xb95we were looking at doing the MT separately too, as we use Pitbull for showing the frames,so we just need something to manage the communications, which I think should be easy to do outside of oRA/CTRA
18:42.38Antiarc|WorkAn autoinvite-by-whisper mod is a good place to start learning, IMO
18:42.50NeoTronxb95: raid leaders not using the ORA2 functionality? or raiders? because raider leaders want their raiders to have ORA2 for things like resist checks
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18:43.14ckknightxb95: Blizz has their own primitive MT system that PitBull uses if CTRA/oRA is unavailable
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18:43.43xb95Raid leaders don't want the functionality/overhead. They don't need use the raid management functions (resist/reagent/status/durability) checks oRA has.
18:43.57NeoTronguess you don't raid much then..
18:44.06NeoTronand raid without MT will be fun
18:44.14xb95we're on Vashj/Kael'thas -_-
18:44.16NeoTronit's not like it's a heavy addon...
18:44.46NeoTronI'm trying to understand the logic considering how lightweight oRA2 is
18:45.38xb95I don't pretend to understand the logic. Worst case, it's just a learning project. Best case, it's useful for people who don't want the added functionality oRA provides.
18:46.02ckknightI do like the idea of lots of tiny, well-made mods that do a specific task
18:46.03NeoTronI think the main thing would be the main tank functionality
18:46.36xb95Yeah.
18:46.46NeoTronckknight: problem is, for things like raid management, is to get people to install the required addons if there are many of them
18:47.06xb95WowAceUpdater makes that nearly trivial.
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18:47.31xb95If you can't rely on your raiders to check a few boxes and update once in a while, then you've got other problems, I'd say. :)
18:47.31NeoTronyou must all have leet users
18:47.45NeoTronwe have people that 1) wouldn't consider using WAU, 2) can barely unzip a file
18:47.53CIA-2203cryect * r44903 10Relog/tags.lua: Relog - Some changes to tags
18:48.02CIA-2203cryect * r44904 10Recount/Tracker.lua: Recount - Bug Fix
18:48.12NeoTronalso WAU is "hot of the presses beta/alpha" software
18:48.23NeoTronthe average user shouldn't use that
18:48.32xb95eh, it works well enough
18:48.53xb95It's not destroyed my soul yet =)
18:49.51Chompguy in our raid using threat-1.0 vers 40111
18:49.59Chompi think that's really out of date
18:50.08sig11I have a lot of problem with Omen/threat.  
18:50.20xb95ckknight/Antiarc|Work: thanks for your feedback. I will pursue the "small and targeted" goal then. :)
18:50.21sig11Our MT almost always drops off after hitting 20k or so threat
18:50.37xb95hmm, we've been using Omen to great effect, even on "odd" fights like Void Reaver it seems to work pretty well
18:51.13krkalol... 19:04:59<jme> Cryect: http://tinyurl.com/2krkan
18:51.19krkathat triggered my notification
18:51.37Antiarc|Work40111 is very out of date
18:51.53Chompersthought so, he had a constant 80k threat :P
18:51.55Antiarc|Worksig11: Can you check and see if the MT is running both embedded and disembedded copies of Threat?
18:53.00sig11I'll ask him tonight.  
18:53.26sig11unfortunately he got rid of KTM so I can't compare
18:54.08xb95Matrix110: i'm looking but I'm not finding any reference on the limits of the mail system. Where can I find this information?
18:54.27Matrix110uhm try it
18:54.41xtAntiarc|Work: he had to delete his non-embedded and use the embedded
18:54.48xtworks now :D
18:54.50xtlol, stupid erro
18:54.55Antiarc|WorkOkay, great. thank you, that tells me where to look to fix it.
18:55.00Antiarc|WorkIt should work even with multiple copies
18:55.06Antiarc|WorkIf it isn't, something is brokened.
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18:56.25xtyeah
18:56.36xtsupposedly ace2 should select the right version :)
19:00.21MOJO-JOJOAntiarc|Work, you think it will ever be possible to have mutli threat tracking on mobs with the same names ?
19:00.39Antiarc|WorkNot unless Blizzard changes things, no
19:01.05Cryectsure as hell not going to let us either :-p
19:01.27trhwell.. slouken announced some changes in the combat stuff with 2.4 or sth.
19:01.29Antiarc|WorkYou have 5 "Angry Mob"s. "Your Special Attack hits Angry Mob for 1234". Which Angry Mob did you hit?
19:01.46Chomperswhy though?
19:02.00Chomperswhy not allow access to uniqueids
19:02.14yacoobAntiarc|Work, it's easy, internal ids, plus keeping logs in coded form, not in text
19:02.14CryectThey rather threat be completely masked
19:02.27Cryectits one of the ways they can ensure we can't figure out threat
19:02.28trhi wish they'd at least add "-OfServer" in the combatlog while in battlegrounds :(
19:02.40Antiarc|Workyacoob: You can't get access to internal IDs.
19:02.43xb95Antiarc|Work: kek. have you ever thought of doing something with ranges? USUALLY the mobs are not tanked on top of eachother, so you can abuse the tanks/melee to determine who is on what mob and use their targets to determine if you're hitting the same mob (for ranged)? Hm...
19:02.46Cryectyacoob: its easy if blizzard wanted it to be easy fo rus
19:02.47yacoobAntiarc|Work, well, not *now*...
19:02.59CryectIt could be done right now if we wantedd with memory peeking
19:02.59trhxb95: you can't get the range
19:03.01yacoobbut seriously, I'd happily see threat-meters gone
19:03.04Antiarc|Workyacoob: Right, which is why I said "Unless Blizzard changes something" :P
19:03.12trhxb95: only if you're in meelee, dead or ranged or out of range
19:03.14alextonly thing i could think of
19:03.16MOJO-JOJOAntiarc|Work, what if the mobs get marks ?
19:03.17alextis raid icons on same name mobs
19:03.18alextyah
19:03.20trhxb95: (from your target)
19:03.20Antiarc|Workxb95: You can't really get ranges, only range strata
19:03.24xb95trh: Exactly. Think about it.
19:03.28Antiarc|WorkMOJO-JOJO: There's no mark info in the combat log
19:03.31alextdoh
19:03.33MOJO-JOJOaww
19:03.34alextscratch that
19:03.34MOJO-JOJO:<
19:03.41yacoobMOJO-JOJO, it doesn't change anything, the log still says 'Angry Mob' :)
19:03.48trhxb95: not precise enough especially at the points where mobs do have the same names
19:03.49alextwell
19:03.57CryectIf it was so simple don't you think it would have been already implemented :-p
19:04.05alextone question I have is using uberbanish, it tells me "water elemental (orange circle) has been banished for 30 seconds"
19:04.05xb95It's not simple :)
19:04.12yacoob"The Angry Mob... no, not this one... no, next... next... right, this one. Hits you. Oh, multiple times by the time now, you die."
19:04.16alexthow does it know I banished the water elemental with the orange circle?
19:04.22MOJO-JOJOive met this angry mob several times
19:04.24alextand not the water elemental with the blue one?
19:04.28MOJO-JOJOit usually hits me for 20k
19:04.29MOJO-JOJO:p
19:04.51MOJO-JOJOgiev threat dump for warriors plx
19:04.57yacoobalext, because it's action you've performed, and it checked the raid symbol upon your action
19:05.06xb95okay question
19:05.12alextso there is some sort of check that says what the raid symbol is then...right?
19:05.16xb95if you have two mobs named "Test Mob"
19:05.22xb95and you have two tanks, "Tank A" and "Tank B"
19:05.26yacoobalext, yes, but THERE IS NO SUCH INFO IN THE LOGS :)
19:05.40alextok
19:05.42xb95does UnitIsUnit("party1target", "party2target") return true or false?
19:05.46yacoobalext, "one of those mobs hits you, for 192315123 damage"
19:05.51xb95assuming party1 = tank a, party2 = tank b?
19:05.56alextOH OH its clicking in my brain finally
19:05.57alextI gotcha
19:06.08alextI was going to say why doesnt threat perform that function to see which one had which raid icon
19:06.10yacoob8)
19:06.14alextbut it still cant tell you which damaged you
19:06.15Antiarc|Workalext: The reason I can't use that kind of info for threat info is because of multi-target abilities.
19:06.17Josh_Borkexb95: yes
19:06.22CryectThink of reading the combat log like the joke Who's on First
19:06.50Josh_Borkexb95: false
19:06.50alextok I understand now
19:06.50xb95Josh_Borke: perfect. okay.
19:09.05Dustwhisper|KTm keeps fucking over omen when threat target is set
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19:09.09Dustwhisper|my MT disappears from it all the time
19:09.46xb95With that information it SHOULD be possible to determine the threat on each mob... since you can tell who is tanking it. This breaks down if one tank has multiple same-named mobs (highly likely in 5mans) but should work in raids.
19:10.02xb95But really, it's not actually necessary, and seems to be way too error prone/communications heavy to be worth doing.
19:10.30Cryectanything AOE based it would be almost information overload anyways
19:10.32MOJO-JOJOyacoob, what if the addon created that info based on what people can broadcast -not trough the logs-
19:10.49yacoobwell... that's some idea.
19:11.28Cryectyou still need unique ids (such as marks or you can say my target but your target when they get the message might not be the same)
19:12.02AmadeoCheck out this case mod
19:12.03Amadeohttp://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1208056
19:12.32Josh_Borkeif you pull info from combat log you're hosed :-D
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19:13.16MOJO-JOJOCryect, well it would require some .. heavy thinking i guess :p
19:13.46CryectMultitarget threat handling at all I think was a huge improvement
19:14.09xb95oh yeah
19:14.12MOJO-JOJOidd
19:14.16xb95Omen pretty much resolves all of the problems we had with KTM
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19:17.49Funkeh`Amadeo: that looks fuckng awesome
19:17.54Funkeh`he designed that himself?
19:18.09MOJO-JOJOxb95, human nature, we allways want more ;)
19:18.11Corusswhat'd I miss?
19:19.27jmeAmadeo: holy. crap.
19:20.07Oridanlo all, quick question regarding Events...
19:20.16xb95MOJO-JOJO: hehe yep.
19:20.54CorussAmadeo: can you relink whatever people are wowing over?
19:21.07xb95Coruss: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1208056
19:21.09xb95Wow.
19:21.11Corussthanks
19:21.14Oridani cancel, and then schedule an event on unit_spellcast_succeeded, but.. for some reason, it doenst seem to cancel
19:21.28Oridanbasically, i'm trying to reset the schedule time
19:25.13Oridanself:CancelScheduledEvent(info.eventName)
19:25.13Oridanself:ScheduleEvent(info.eventName,info.d-(info.r+1), BS[name])
19:25.39Oridanthe original event isnt cancelled, i just end up with 2 events,
19:25.41Oridanthen 3
19:25.42Oridanetc
19:25.56Oridani mean, with the 1 event scheduled multiple times
19:26.21Oridanso, i'm guessing i'm passing the wrong info
19:27.00Corussxb95: oh my god.... that's insane
19:27.07Oridanbut, there is no unique "schedule id" returned from setting it...
19:27.56Antiarc|WorkOridan: you need to do self:ScheduleEvent("SomeEventIdentifier", functionToCall, delay, arg1, arg1, arg3, ...)
19:28.12Antiarc|WorkSubsequent calls to self:ScheduleEvent("SomeEventIdentifier", ...) will just reset the timer
19:28.17Antiarc|WorkNo need to cancel manually
19:28.34jmei'm going to grind exalted with booty bay
19:28.37jmeerr
19:28.40jmebloodsail
19:30.11xb95if one commits a new mod to svn, does it show up on files.wowace.com magically? or is there some index to update? (and assuming it shows up there, will WAU pick it up then?)
19:30.29Antiarc|WorkMagically, every 20 minutes
19:30.34xb95thanks mate
19:31.11OridanAntiarc|Work> thanks, i guess the aceevent wiki isnt updated? it doesnt mention a function as a second arg
19:31.36Antiarc|WorkOridan: THe doc probably hasn't been updated, no
19:31.53Antiarc|WorkThere are two possible signatures: self:ScheduleEvent(function, delay, ...) and self:ScheduleEvent("Identifier", function, delay, ...)
19:32.00Antiarc|WorkThe first just gives you an anonymous event, basically
19:32.08Oridanahh super
19:32.11Antiarc|WorkThe second gives you a named event that you can reset or cancel
19:32.51Oridanfantastic, thanks... so i dont have to "watch" for the event either, i can just pass it the function i want to run, and it'll fire it for me
19:34.06Antiarc|WorkCorrect
19:34.36Antiarc|WorkNote that if you're giving it MyMod.functionName, you'll want to pass MyMod as the first parameter
19:34.48Antiarc|WorkAs MyMod.functionName(MyMod) == MyMod:functionName()
19:36.17Oridanohh yeah, i fell down on that once before, thanks for reminding me :) you've been a great help, i appreciate it
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19:36.47Chomperswe're wiping on maulgar :<
19:37.02Chomperscurse you summer, why must you steal our raiders!
19:37.27CIA-2203shamino * r44905 10EnchantingSell/EnchantingSell-enUS.lua:
19:37.27CIA-22EnchantingSell:
19:37.27CIA-22- fixed reagents for Major Resilience
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19:38.48xb95Chompers: I think he arcing cleaves more since the patch, tbh.
19:39.11xb95That joke is ruined if it's not called 'arcing cleave', but for the life of me I can't remember.
19:39.42Chompersi know what you mean :P
19:41.07Oridanxb95: does that watercooler come with a low volume version too? :D
19:42.52xb95tbh, it is going slow enough that I think it would be low volume
19:42.56xb95I can't imagine it being very loud
19:43.30Oridanany idea what RPM it goes at?
19:43.40xb95oh! there's a video, one sec
19:43.46Oridancool
19:43.47xb95http://www.caseumbau.de/forumbilder/maico.wmv
19:43.58xb95seems to be about 15-20 RPM :P
19:44.47CIA-2203cryect * r44906 10Recount/ (Recount.lua Tracker.lua):
19:44.47CIA-22Recount - Fixes autodeleting of old combatants
19:44.47CIA-22- Fixes a few memory leaks involving Roster
19:45.34Oridanlooks truly inspiring
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19:47.18NeeblerSharpening a pencil with a knife makes me feel really manly
19:47.44Starinniatry sharpening it with your teeth :P
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19:50.31Amadeoor a spork
19:50.39benHow do I find out the current date using the WoW API?
19:52.34NeoTronCryect: recount is leet, but theer are definitely some things I would love to have in it.. like DPS per person for a selected duration (i.e average DPS on the shown display), time-alive in the fight (i.e I was dead 20% of the time) etc
19:52.41NeoTronare those things you are looking to add?
19:52.50NeoTronI guess to a degree some of the things WWS has. heh
19:53.45CIA-2203aliset * r44907 10SendSelf/ (Locale-deDE.lua Locale-enUS.lua sendself.lua):
19:53.45CIA-22SendSelf:
19:53.45CIA-22- You can now force other characters to be considered alts. See /sendself forcealt
19:54.52CIA-2203cryect * r44908 10Recount/Sync.lua: Recount - Activates new sync method
19:55.28Kalman|New sync method?
19:57.08CIA-2203oridan * r44909 10ShoutReminder/ShoutReminder.lua:
19:57.08CIA-22ShoutReminder:
19:57.08CIA-22- fix bug with reoccurring events
19:57.09CIA-2203Tristan * r44910 10ShammySpy/ (5 files):
19:57.09CIA-22ShammySpy:
19:57.09CIA-22- Added support for AddonLoader
19:57.11CIA-22- Added support for hiding the Reincarnation timer completely (invisible and disables the cooldown count events)
19:58.23Diaohm
19:58.44Diaovhaarr around?
20:02.38Mecdemortwhat would you guys think about a bigwigs module that let you announce your bars to NECB and maybe deadly bossmods
20:03.10durcyn....why.
20:03.43Mecdemorthmm yead dbm would be pointless but for broadcasting to NECB for people that dont have a bossmod?
20:04.17CIA-2203ryuji * r44911 10FreeRefills/Core.lua: FreeRefills: add support zhTW localization
20:07.21CIA-2203ryuji * r44912 10Nudge/Nudge.lua: Nudge: add support zhTW localization
20:07.50Diaopeople who don't have bossmod but have necb?
20:07.59Mecdemortya...i dunno ;p
20:08.12Mecdemorti'm just really bored and trying to come up with something
20:08.33Ixanwhich addon enables the pasting of {CLINK} item links in chat?
20:08.38durcynpeople who use necb at all are too brain-damaged for it to make a difference though
20:08.42durcynIxan: most likely prat
20:09.08Ixanyeah, been looking around prat waterfall config, but can't find the option :(
20:09.43Funkeh`Ixan: theres definately a prat module that does that
20:09.45vithosChatLink or something like that
20:09.47Diaoprat itemlinks
20:09.49NecrathexIxan: i think it's ChatLink
20:09.57durcynwas originally Cirk's ChatLink, yes
20:10.03durcynbut the original addon is beyond deprecated
20:10.31Matrix110NECB has bossmods integrated?
20:10.33Matrix110ops
20:10.36Matrix110didnt scroll down
20:10.37Matrix110-.-
20:10.37Ixancan't find chatlink in my module list though.. hmm..
20:10.52Necrathexi'm still using chatlink :p
20:11.12Ixanprobably disabled it by mistake *search*
20:11.19Diaochatlink module
20:11.22vithosIxan: i just logged in and it's definitely there
20:11.25Diaonot actual chatlink :P
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20:11.47Diaoit hsould be listed in waterfall
20:11.52Diaosince waterfall lists all modules in alphabetical order
20:12.29CIA-2203ag 07andreasg * r44913 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames/ (5 files): ag_UnitFrames: dev branch: heap control to event registering, added embeds.xml
20:12.39Ixanhmmm.. can't find it in the "all modules" list either.. very strange indeed
20:13.01Ixanperhaps deleting the config takes care of business
20:15.32mitch0darn. wow screwed me :(
20:15.56mitch0spell/ability ranges vary from race to race
20:16.36mitch0will have to make some measurements... now I only hope that it's a linear change
20:17.09mitch0but then again, it would look very stupid that my display will say 33 yards and a 30yd range spell would still be in range :(
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20:18.14mitch0funny thing is that interact distances seem to remain constant
20:18.27Kalman|Interact is center-center, spell/ability is edge-edge, iirc.
20:18.44Kalman|It's like the old tauren Fankriss exploit where they could outrange his Mortal Wounds debuff.
20:19.38mitch0kalman: I think it's vice-versa, but it still sucks
20:20.09mitch0(for taurens, 25yd charge range is more than follow range, which is supposed to be 28yd
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20:22.53mitch0gah. laterz
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20:23.40CIA-2203starinnia * r44914 10SimpleMD/ (. Locale-enUS.lua Readme.txt SimpleMD.lua SimpleMD.toc):
20:23.40CIA-22SimpleMD: initial commit
20:23.40CIA-22- Allows communication of misdirection info to other hunters in your party/raid/guild
20:26.01Jagobah:o :o :o
20:26.10CIA-2203antiarc * r44915 10WhisperBid/WhisperBid.lua: WhisperBid: Added automatic bidding timeout, resets on bid. Drycode.
20:29.52CIA-2203antiarc * r44916 10WhisperBid/WhisperBid.lua: WhisperBid: Added a silent bidding mode
20:31.31CIA-2203antiarc * r44917 10WhisperBid/WhisperBid.lua: WhisperBid: Send an error message when someone attempts to bid more than BID_MAX
20:34.28durcynFunkeh`: you rang?
20:35.29mikmahttp://mikma-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/MiniBar/ <3 thanks Kyahx
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20:36.57Oridanis there any way to lookup if a spell/effect is harmful or helpful?
20:37.34Oridanor rather, whether it is negative to a mob or not
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20:38.47Oridanhrm, i'm not really explaining it very well
20:40.33Funkeh`mikma: they look very simplistic :)
20:45.11CIA-2203antiarc * r44918 10WhisperBid/WhisperBid.lua: WhisperBid: Added optional outbound whisper suppression
20:47.03CIA-2203ryuji * r44919 10Automaton/Automaton.toc: Automaton:set Title-zhTW to original
20:47.50Amadeomikma: what's MiniBar? action bars?
20:48.13Josh_Borkefries
20:48.17CIA-2203ryuji * r44920 10Skinner/Skinner.toc: Skinner: set Title-zhTW to original
20:48.20Amadeommm, fries
20:48.25mikmaAmadeo: http://wow.reaktio.net/ss4.jpg
20:48.50Amadeowhat's up with the chat?
20:48.51mikmareuses blizzard buttons, doesn't create new ones
20:49.07mikmaAmadeo: chat = http://mikma-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ChatBox/
20:49.19Amadeogood to see you coding stuff again :)
20:49.36mikmawell coding something small that makes my playing funnier :D
20:49.41Arrowmasteromg a gnome! punt it!
20:50.01mikmaand MiniBar uses Pagemaster-1.0, it swaps with stances and reacts to shift/ctrl/alt/help
20:50.16mikmauses the smaller bars abve the big bar to swap in :)
20:50.17pastamancerOridan: you can detect if a spell can be cast on the player, which is almost like knowing if it's helpful
20:50.22Amadeonice!
20:54.26CIA-2203aliset * r44921 10SendSelf/SendSelf.toc:
20:54.26CIA-22SendSelf:
20:54.26CIA-22Release SendSelf 1.2 - share and enjoy!
20:54.39NightHawkAtWorkmikma: "help"?
20:55.33mikmaNightHawkAtWork: target friendly
20:55.43NightHawkAtWorkahh
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20:56.12NightHawkAtWorkfor a minute I thought you meant the help key (on mac keyboards) and was vastly confused. :P
20:56.51mikmahehe, it's "command" on macs ;)
20:57.28NightHawkAtWorkwell yeah, but mac keyboards also have a key labled "help" :P where "insert" is on standard pc keyboard
20:57.29NightHawkAtWorks
20:59.08CIA-2203aliset * r44922 10/tags/SendSelf/:
20:59.08CIA-22SendSelf:
20:59.08CIA-22need a tags directory, preeze
20:59.25CIA-2203aliset 07SendSelf-1.2 * r44923 10SendSelf/:
20:59.25CIA-22SendSelf:
20:59.25CIA-22tag 1.2
21:00.59Josh_Borkebye all
21:01.07mikmaNightHawkAtWork: ah. well, i don't have a regular macboard, all i have is this laptop
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21:04.13CIA-2203starinnia * r44924 10SimpleMD/ (. Locale-enUS.lua SimpleMD.lua SimpleMD.toc):
21:04.13CIA-22SimpleMD:
21:04.13CIA-22- Added options for broadcasting your MD cooldown
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21:05.26Antiarc|Work......wrf.
21:05.27Antiarc|Workwtf.
21:05.28Antiarc|Workhttp://www.japanprobe.com/?p=2404
21:05.49jmeantiarc: wrf - we're really friendly
21:06.06jmelopen didn't like that
21:06.22NeoTronAntiarc|Work: weird
21:06.44deltronwant
21:06.57NightHawkAtWorkAntiarc|Work: I.. uh.. er..
21:07.10durcynthe r is for 'ruh', in engrish imo
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21:07.57jmedurcyn: :P
21:09.18NeoTronStarinnia: hmm. Simple MD a misdirect helper?
21:09.40StarinniaNeoTron: yep, making the official thread for it right now
21:10.18AmadeoAntiarc|Work: Not without happy endings :P
21:10.45Kalman|http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info7391-Dash.html is kinda neat.
21:10.46NeoTronMaybe that'll help the hunter in the group that half the time seems to misdirect the wrong person
21:11.35jme...
21:11.40jmenoob hunter
21:11.41NeoTronKalman|: pretty cool
21:11.48NightHawkAtWorkNeoTron: you sure that they're not doing that on purpose? "Oh, I MD'd a mage? er... oops?" :P
21:11.57NeoTronjme: I've told him to name macros like /cast [target=MaintankName] Misdirect
21:12.00NeoTronbut doesn't do it
21:12.07NeoTronand he does it by mistake..
21:12.17jmeNeoTron: i click the tank in the maintank window of ora2 and then click misdirect ;)
21:12.20NeoTrononce misdirected a healer instead of the tank when mag got out
21:12.25jmelol
21:12.31NeoTronreason being he uses mouse-over => click => misdirect
21:12.34Dustwhisper|thats awesome Kalman| i tried making something similar once (tabbed interface thing with addons for each tab) =D i sucket though
21:12.38Kalman|NeoTron: I did something similar for a while just with macros full of LUA show/hides, but that's a nicer way to do it.
21:12.39StarinniaNeoTron: its not that involved, i can't prevent stupidity.. just warn others about it :P
21:12.43NeoTronso if someone moves in front of him..
21:12.45jmeNeoTron: i never do that, i make sure i have the right person targeted first
21:12.59NeoTronas I said, I don't get how he keeps doing it
21:13.11NeoTronthen of course we have the hit of misdirecting leotheras onto a tank just as demon phase started
21:13.25NeoTronor mding on the wrong tank when doing hydross
21:13.31Starinniawell if he gets the addon the other hunters will know he messed up
21:13.37NeoTron(i.e MD to the NR tank when we move into FrR phase...)
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21:15.47kebinusanmm WhisperBid, maybe I can finally replace raidbidder
21:16.19Antiarc|WorkIt's mostly written for the benefit of my guild
21:16.22NeoTronI need a replacement for CT_RaidTracker that works..
21:16.26Antiarc|WorkBut others are welcome to use it =)
21:16.54kebinusanI'll take a look at it, Ive been using raidbidder forever but it appears to be abandoned
21:17.10NeoTronmy needs are simple: 1) track people in the raid at a check point (i.e "on-time" dkp_, 2) track people present at a kill and loot distributed (incl variable dkp cost), 3) track wipes on new bosses (attendees) on demand
21:17.12kebinusanNeoTron, NRT is fairly nice but I still use CTRT I confess
21:17.23BejittCTRT works o.O
21:17.26Antiarc|WorkIt's not localized, FWIW
21:17.28kebinusanNeoTron, CTRT does that
21:17.33NeoTronproblem I have with CTRT is that half the time it doesn't track the people present at a kill correctly
21:17.39Bejittwell, the ones modified for dkp string exports
21:17.47NeoTronor worse, it doesn't even attribute a boss to loot given out
21:17.55Bejitteh
21:17.57Antiarc|WorkI just wrote a custom site to do our DKP tracking
21:17.59NeoTrondunno how many times I've gotten "trash mob" as the boss for boss loot :(
21:18.04Aens|Superiorityi'm having some problems with pitbull. I'm trying to adjust the width and height of party pets and party targets, but they are all linked to party frames.
21:18.06Antiarc|WorkBecause I was tired of trying to get an addon to do it properly
21:18.16Aens|Superiorityevery time i try to adjust the size, all 3 change at the same time.
21:18.17NeoTronkebinusan: it does do that if it would actually WORK
21:18.17kebinusanNeoTron, alot of times that can be because someone killed a mob after the boss died
21:18.32NeoTronpretty sure that wasn't the case
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21:18.36kebinusanTheres a list of ignored mobs you can edit to include common things that might do that
21:18.53kebinusanIts also possible on ctrt import to have it attributed incorrectly if the raid trigger is off
21:19.08NeoTronnah the xml export is wrong
21:19.24NeoTronI edit teh XML (change the comment string from Trash Mob to Hydross the Unstable etc) and it work
21:19.35NeoTronalthough the other nights raid only had like 6 people registered
21:19.39Dustwhisper|i'd just like an addon that calculates the manausage of all raidmembers on which spells
21:19.45Dustwhisper|to check manaefficiency and dps
21:19.53Bejitti use the CTRT from http://www.mldkp.net/ and it works fine
21:19.59kebinusanAntiarc if you're looking for a good list of features for a whisperbid, RaidBidder would be good for feature parity
21:20.03kebinusanBejitt, same
21:20.14Bejitti also had to tweak EQDKP a little tho
21:20.19NeoTronI hacked support in for adding wipes (ctrt adds an entry "wipe" bit does log it as an event)
21:20.28Antiarc|Workkebinusan: I'll take a peek at it, but for the most part, this is just a guild-specific addon :)
21:20.30Antiarc|Workhttp://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/AQM07923072007-1.htm :O
21:20.32kebinusanNeoTron, the MLDKP modded one checks wipes
21:20.33Antiarc|WorkHoly craps.
21:20.33NeoTronI've hacked eqdkp pretty heavily too because of the custom system we use
21:20.36Antiarc|Work4TB of RAM.
21:20.37Antiarc|WorkWTB.
21:20.43NeoTronhowever import is still fucked up
21:20.59NeoTronwe have three DKP point types - attendance, raid and standby
21:21.08Bejitto.O
21:21.11NeoTronso can't just use an unmodded tracker
21:21.25CIA-2203kaelten * r44925 10cgProfiler/raids/raids.lua: cgProfiler: Sorted out oversite of group tracking
21:21.54NeoTronearned DKP: attendance + raid + min(standby, raid/2)
21:21.58kebinusanWe just give dkp to everyone online at boss kills, then do an effective DKP calculation where people can only spend 30 day attendance % * dkp total per raid
21:22.07BejittNeoTron: what version of CTRT do you use?
21:22.23Bejittnever seen mine put trash for any bosses o.O
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21:23.05CIA-2203cryect * r44926 10Relog/parse.lua: Relog - Fixes a bug with leech events
21:23.07NeoTron<PROTECTED>
21:23.10NeoTronaccording t CT RaidTracker 1.5 (modded by Eris)
21:23.20NeoTronerr. wtf. lag? arccording tot he TOC
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21:23.42Bejitttry the one from the MLDKP site
21:23.55NeoTronthink that's the one
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21:24.14CIA-2203kaelten * r44927 10cgProfiler/cgProfiler.toc: cgProfiler: Touching TOC file to update version number.
21:24.22Bejitthm it does say Eris hah
21:24.23NeoTronhttp://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/5892/
21:24.50Bejitto.O
21:24.58Bejittusing ptr ver on live? :X
21:25.24NeoTronerr no
21:25.30NeoTronthat's the addon source
21:25.33NeoTronI haven't gotten it for a while
21:25.43NeoTronjust showing the addon I got
21:26.03NeoTronstill been forced to use the WWS stats to get boss kill attendance
21:27.14jmewhat version is on the ptr now? i forgot
21:27.25jme:/
21:27.50jmenevermind
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21:28.19Bejittkill attendance = recheck your eqdkp code
21:28.38jmeac Movie Capture: the Mac client can now capture in-game video to QuickTime movie files using a configurable choice of codec (H.264, Motion JPEG, or Pixlet), resolution, and frame rate.
21:28.40Bejittunless something changed in the XML export since my version of crtr
21:28.41NeoTronwhat is the "nextboss" functionality for in CT_RT?
21:28.43jmes/ac/Mac
21:28.45Bejittctrt even
21:28.47jmeAWESOME
21:28.58Bejitthaha no idea neo
21:28.59kebinusanbtw any one know a simple mod that might export the info on the guild tab such as player name and guild note
21:29.16NeoTronbecause it's like it doesn't know I killed the boss and thus attributes it to trash
21:29.22kebinusanor an easy way to say grab a guild member list from the armory even
21:29.27Bejitthmm
21:31.44NeoTronso all nextboss seems to do is to add a <nextboss> entry to the exported XML. that's entirely non-interesting
21:32.07kebinusanI disabled that one
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21:33.21jkwI need to find out why PitBull isn't working as it should for me. ._.
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21:37.04AmadeoWall of frames crits you for 1000000!
21:37.29Amadeowho has a nice looking PitBull configuration? I wanna see it!
21:37.44NeoTronah so this kill definiely counted as trash mob in CTRT (looking in the save file)
21:38.04Bejittwhat's listed under the BossKills ?
21:38.28NeoTronit's there
21:38.31NeoTronthe kill that is
21:38.49Bejittlisted as Trash Mob? ew
21:39.03NeoTronno I see the hydross kill fine
21:39.08NeoTronbut the loot says trash mob
21:42.06kebinusanNeoTron, thats easy to fix you need to add some of the mobs to be ignored
21:43.00jmeConditional macro processing has been greatly optimized.
21:43.04Kaelten|Workwoot I was accused of ripping off code!
21:43.25jmeheh
21:43.33jme"The following old-world factions have had their acquisition rate significantly increased: Cenarion Circle, Argent Dawn, Timbermaw Hold."
21:43.36jme...
21:43.46kebinusanedit the localization file and find hydross, add after ["Pure Spawn of Hydross"] = "IGNORE", ["Tainted Spawn of Hydross"] = "IGNORE"
21:43.48NeoTronahh...
21:43.51trh_Kaelten|Work: cool ;)
21:43.54jmeAdjusted Yowler's level down to 20 (from 25). <- huh?
21:43.58NeoTron["AutoBossChangeMinTime"] = 120,
21:44.00trh_Kaelten|Work: but as long as it isn't in a lawsuit... who cares ;)
21:44.10NeoTronif I wait more than 2 minutes... it resets to the default
21:44.11Kaelten|WorkRupture was saying that cgProfiler was a rip
21:44.29kebinusanNeoTron, should do a similar thing for morogrim's murlocs
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21:45.26Bejittomg
21:45.38Bejittthe AutoBossBoss is set from ... mouseovers
21:45.58NeoTronit can be set from mouse overs
21:46.08NeoTronor from kills
21:46.10kebinusannormally its from death messages
21:46.29kebinusanwhich is why you should make sure if a boss has any adds that can die on or after the boss that you add that little ignore thing
21:46.38Bejittok yea, both
21:47.01NeoTronI set it to mouseover hoping tht'd work
21:47.08NeoTronbut I see now how it could fail with adds..
21:47.09BejittNeoTron: check the value of CT_RaidTracker_Options["AutoBoss"]
21:47.12NeoTronlike on hydross, the elementals add
21:47.16ag`so anything new and fun happening in the addon world? I've been a bit away during some of the summer
21:47.17Bejitt1 = mouseover, 2 = kills
21:47.17mjc_hmm
21:47.19NeoTronyeah I know. it's mouseover..
21:47.47Bejittah you just said that x.x
21:47.49mjc_any idea how to do the last boss on heroic MT?
21:47.52kebinusanyeah NeoTron, thast why I said add the pure and tainted spawns to the localization file
21:48.02kebinusanabout line 452
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21:48.41jmethe other night when i got on the PTR i couldn't use / commands to select chat channels
21:48.49jmeas in /1 /2 /say
21:50.26NeoTronand make the damn adds in mag's lair be ignored
21:50.37NeoTronit keeps treating them like boss kills... because they are added as such. heh
21:51.17Aens|SuperiorityFor pitbull, is there an option I'm missing that links certain unit frames together?  I can't adjust the width and height of party pets without my party frame changing too
21:52.19Bejitthah i have that same problem
21:52.38Kaydeethreejme; delete your WoWTest folder and reinstall
21:53.24Aens|SuperiorityBejitt: yeah, thats so annoying.  Its a new problem though, cause my frames used to work properly when I set it up. Not anymore :/
21:53.30CIA-2203cryect * r44928 10Recount/ (Recount.lua Recount_Modes.lua): Recount - Relinks tables after saved variables have been loaded that should be linked to save memory (were previously linked till the UI was reloaded)
21:54.00NeoTronkebinusan: thanks for the hint
21:54.56Bejitt["Hellfire Channeler"] = "IGNORE" <-- looks like it'll help for mag
21:55.09jmeKaydeethree: ok
21:55.18kebinusanYeah, And maulgar's nub adds
21:56.58Bejittthey're there already
21:57.07Bejittalso.. morogrim's murlocs?
21:57.33Bejittugh Karathress's friends too >_<
21:58.02kebinusankarathresses friends shouldnt be an issue
21:58.10kebinusanthey die before him and arent boss level
21:58.30kebinusanthe murlocs on morogrim could cause the loot to be registered as trash tho
21:59.59NeoTronBejitt: yep
22:00.02Bejittyea, "Tidewalker Lurker"
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22:06.11mjc_http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/05/27/keepin-it-real-fake-clash-of-the-iphone-clones/
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22:09.50NeoTronso
22:10.07NeoTronisn't the main "thing" about the iphone the UI/operating system and not the physical look?
22:11.06benDoes BigWigs come with an option to record attendance when bosses die?
22:11.13benAs in, dumping all raid members into the chat frame or something.
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22:11.20Funkeh`no
22:11.27Funkeh`that sounds more like NRT
22:11.49benIs that Ace?
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22:19.47CIA-2203antiarc * r44929 10WhisperBid/WhisperBid.lua: WhisperBid: Added distribution for periodic warnings
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22:23.17Poul|Raiderhmm that range off /combatlog - have that been change able all the time?
22:27.52CIA-2203ryuji * r44930 10FuBar_MoneyFu/MoneyFuLocale-zhTW.lua: FuBar_MoneyFu: Updated localization zhTW
22:33.02Antiarc|WorkFin: Ping
22:33.44kebinusancan you toggle growl being auto with a /script command?
22:34.15sbmhh
22:34.19Arrowmastertheres a macro slash command
22:34.26sbCryect: missing ) near ] (123)? :o
22:34.28Arrowmastercant do /script for it anymore
22:35.02Kaydeethree<PROTECTED>
22:36.45kebinusancool thanks Kaydeethree
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22:42.01HjalteCryect, is Relog going to be comparable to SimpleCombatLog?
22:42.18sbmh no - more like sw unilog
22:43.06Antiarc|WorkAddons don't strictly need to use the Ace libraries to go into the wowace SVN, do they?
22:43.16Antiarc|WorkI've got a little 49-liner here
22:43.18Antiarc|WorkHm.
22:43.23Antiarc|WorkMaybe I should put it into whisperbid.
22:43.25Antiarc|WorkI think I will.
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22:46.54BejittWhisperBid only does "bid #"? :(
22:47.05CIA-2203antiarc * r44931 10WhisperBid/WhisperBid.lua: WhisperBid: Added /wb raidlist, gives you a comma-delimited raid roster suitable for pasting into a web form.
22:47.11Antiarc|WorkOr just #, yeah
22:47.15Antiarc|WorkHeh, why?
22:47.15Bejittbah
22:47.20Antiarc|WorkWaiting fractionals?
22:47.22Antiarc|WorkWanting*
22:47.24RogueShadowHmm.  If you were thinking of learning linux/unix  as a server platform,    as well as developing applications/ web based and otherwise,  what books would you read, and in what order?   ;)
22:47.37Bejitthaha no, we dont bid using numbers; just bid to say you want :x
22:47.40Antiarc|Workhttp://xkcd.com/293/
22:47.50Antiarc|WorkBejitt: I guess just have people bid 1 then
22:48.19Antiarc|WorkWe use an auction-style system, where the high bid is announced with each bid and the winner is announced once bidding is closed.
22:48.27Antiarc|Work(which is what whisperbid facilitates)
22:48.33Bejittyea i figured that's what it's being built for
22:48.47Antiarc|WorkIf you're just interested in a want/don't want, just use a roll mod.
22:48.57Antiarc|WorkRoll if interested, roll mod picks up rolls and announces the winner.
22:49.28RogueShadownice link Antiarc|Work
22:50.56Antiarc|WorkRogueShadow: I learned just by doing, with Google, and with some generic redhat administration book I got at the bookstore
22:51.10Antiarc|WorkAlso by getting stabbed in the face after not reading the man pages.
22:51.28RogueShadowGeneric book would be good. I like books.
22:51.39RogueShadowProvides a starting point.
22:52.13NeoTronwe use a silent bidding system
22:52.24NeoTronwheer you pay second highest bid +1
22:52.36NeoTronI wonder if, facilitiated by an addon, a whisper bid system wouldn't work..
22:52.51Antiarc|WorkIt does, rather well
22:52.56Antiarc|WorkIt's very quick
22:53.00NeoTronmahually it's suck
22:53.11NeoTronbut with addon help it'd work ok and the end result probably would be the same
22:53.38RogueShadowI could always get in touch with my local linux group...   I know a linux geek.   Also a Diablo II geek, and also a really really big Electronics geek.    He say "If you think I was tough in my OS class, wait for this, it's my bread and butter"
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23:01.39ag`Antiarc|Work, no, it doesn't need to be ace
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23:03.37CIA-2203ryuji * r44932 10ClassTimer/ (ClassTimer.toc Locales/zhTW.lua): ClassTimer: add support zhTW localization
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23:06.35Antiarc|Workag`: I just rolled it into WhisperBid anyhow ;)
23:06.42ag`okies
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23:08.56NeoTronAntiarc|Work: out of curiosity how do you handle it when two of the same tier totem drops with that bidding method?
23:08.56*** part/#wowace ben (n=ben@londeroth.org)
23:09.12Antiarc|WorkNeoTron: You bid on one item at a time
23:09.15Antiarc|WorkSequentially
23:09.30Antiarc|WorkIt gets too confusing reading raid spam about four items at once
23:09.50NeoTronso one "of the defender" might go for 400 and one for 50
23:09.52NeoTronin theory?
23:09.55Antiarc|WorkYup
23:10.07NeoTronhrm
23:10.17NeoTronnot something I'd be all tht happy with
23:10.18NeoTronbut
23:10.30Antiarc|WorkWell, it's up to each person how much they're willing to bid
23:10.34NeoTronyeah
23:10.45Antiarc|WorkPersonally, if the first copy gets jacked up too high, I just wait for the second copy with one person out of the running :)
23:11.02Antiarc|WorkBasically, don't spend more than it's worth to you, and everyone goes home happy.
23:11.32NeoTronbenefit with this is that I can bid to myself
23:11.36NeoTroninstead of complicating things
23:11.52Antiarc|WorkYup
23:12.00Antiarc|WorkYou just whisper to yourself and your bid gets announced
23:12.35Antiarc|WorkWhisperBid has the option announce names or classes of the high bidders, or just the # of people who have bid the high bid so far.
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23:13.17NeoTronI'll present this idea to the leaders
23:14.47CIA-2203antiarc * r44933 10WhisperBid/WhisperBid.lua: WhisperBid: Clarify a message, as WhisperBid doesn't actually award the loot.
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23:19.57kergothhmm
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23:25.06NeoTronAntiarc|Work: would be nice to have an option to auto-bid - i.e "/w bidmaster bid" => make my bid current highest + X
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23:25.26Antiarc|WorkHrm.
23:25.35NeoTronactually another method is the ebay way
23:25.51NeoTroni.e /w bidmaster bid 200 => my max bid is 200
23:26.02NeoTronbut if the current bid is 95, I only pay previous bid +X
23:26.11NeoTronsort of the system I usw now but allowing for re-bidding :)
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23:26.37Antiarc|WorkWe specifically don't do that, because someone could bid 200 over 50, scare off the other bidders, then end up paying 51 for the piece
23:26.47kebinusangetdkp support and keyword support for match and all :-)
23:27.22NeoTronAntiarc|Work: announce the high bid to be 51
23:27.22Antiarc|WorkNeoTron: Ah, you mean proxy bidding.
23:27.25Antiarc|WorkI see.
23:27.26NeoTronright
23:27.32Antiarc|WorkThat's an idea.
23:27.54NeoTronthat is actualy what we do today, except we don't do "rebidding" and don't announce the bid until finished
23:28.18kebinusanwe jsut do running open bid by whisper
23:28.27kebinusanworks pretty good
23:29.11kebinusanoh, another feature that might be nice, would be automagically setting the cost in ctrt for the winner once the item is looted if thats possible
23:29.14Amadeohm
23:29.23kergothhrmph
23:29.26GildedAnyone else getting SetCommPref errors w/ Recount?
23:29.27kergothmjc_, mjc: ping
23:29.38AmadeoI was looking at the PTR character transfers page, and it lists two of my characters being transferred to the "QA Hotfix server"
23:29.55kergothgrr, found a problem in my new addon set workflow :(
23:29.57kergothbooo
23:30.28kergothi think i'm officially a crazy bastard, but thats okay
23:31.03Antiarc|Workkebinusan: I'll expose an event for it, but I'm not going to do explicit integration with other mods
23:31.47kebinusanyeah I may poke around abit later to get the stuff Id need
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23:32.29kebinusangetdkp or similar support would be nice so I can pull the dkp info from our eqdkp site and have the bidder do basic checking to make sure they dont spend too much
23:32.39kebinusanbut that should be easy to hack in myself if need be
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23:34.02zeeghttp://wow.cursebeta.com/downloads/tags/ace2/
23:34.03zeeg:D
23:34.52zeegim going to make wow.curse.com/downloads/ace/ -- would it be best to have twao pages, ace/ and ace2/ or just merge them together?
23:34.58Antiarc|Workkebinusan: I could also integrate a registerable callbakc
23:35.07Antiarc|WorkSo you could integrate checking with the DKP store of your choice
23:35.46CIA-2203gagorian * r44934 10DrDamage/DrDamage.lua:
23:35.46CIA-22DrDamage:
23:35.46CIA-22- Organize talents better
23:36.44kebinusanyeah, anything you could do to make it flexible would be nice, Im sure alot of people pull dkp data in game from their various dkp sites somehow
23:37.49xb95hardest part of making an addon: wtf to name it? oo
23:38.06kebinusanxb95, something arbitrary and no way related to the function of the mod clearly
23:38.11Antiarc|WorkYANA (Yet another named addon)
23:38.26xb95I want it to have a name close to the function :P
23:38.35AmadeoYou have to do YAYA these days, since there's a lot of YA's :)
23:38.36xb95but even so, I don't want it to be "oh man, have you installed RaidInviteHelper yet!? it's awesome!"
23:38.49Antiarc|WorkAINA (AINA Is Not an Acronym)
23:38.53kebinusanSuperRaidInvter9000
23:38.56Amadeohaha
23:38.58Antiarc|WorkSpamMePlz
23:39.04FinOK
23:39.17Antiarc|WorkLazyRL
23:39.19FinAntiarc|Work: want to buy 500g? 10 USD only! !!!
23:39.20FinAntiarc|Work: want to buy 500g? 10 USD only! !!!
23:39.21FinAntiarc|Work: want to buy 500g? 10 USD only! !!!
23:39.22FinAntiarc|Work: want to buy 500g? 10 USD only! !!!
23:39.27xb95actually naming the mods something95 is not a bad idea, since then it's distinct and you can tell "this is an xb95 mod" ... perhaps that's a bit narcissistic ;o
23:39.27Antiarc|WorkWTS Fin
23:39.29Antiarc|WorkPST
23:39.40Antiarc|WorkMost authors follow a theme
23:39.50Antiarc|WorkHaste prefixes his with "o", ckknight has this animal thing going on
23:39.52AmadeooReally?
23:40.25xb95hmm, the prefix thing seems pretty common. sRaid, ag_, o, maybe I can claim "xb"
23:40.40Wobino'Reilly
23:40.44CIA-2203cryect * r44935 10Recount/ (Sync.lua Tracker.lua): Recount - Some changes to syncing
23:41.18xb95xbRaidInvites
23:41.24WobinRaidersOfTheLostArk
23:41.37NightHawkAtWorkYANA? You are not Alone? </whohumor>
23:41.49WobinI am here with you
23:41.52WobinThough we're far apart
23:41.55Wobinyou're always in my heart
23:42.06Antiarc|Workxb95: Name it KeyLogger
23:42.32KemayoNah, call it Illegal.
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23:42.45xb95Antiarc|Work: that's a sure fire winner there!
23:43.01Antiarc|WorkI keep wanting to create a super-used mod and call it Bannable WoW Bot or something
23:43.14Antiarc|Worksuper-useful*
23:43.17Shirikrofl
23:44.09xb95what's the point in having ## SavedVariables etc in the TOC when you have to provide that same information to RegisterDB ?
23:44.16xb95(is the former for WoW's core to use?)
23:44.28Kemayoxb95: Nothing gets saved unless it's in the TOC.
23:44.32Antiarc|WorkYes, it's for WoW
23:44.41xb95ahhhh
23:44.41Kemayoxb95: RegisterDB is just being told which variable name to use.
23:44.43Antiarc|WorkRegisterDB just does some fancy work for you on top of the variable
23:44.55xb95well yeah, I figured RegisterDB could get the info from the TOC. guess not. :)
23:45.45xb95(please forgive the green glow I'm giving off; it'll wear off soon)
23:46.04Bejittodd... i dont see my loot in chatframe with WhisperBid enabled
23:46.04KemayoIn simple cases it probably could, but there's no guarantee that you'll only have one addon object created per TOC, or that you won't be registering more than one SV in the TOC.
23:47.18xb95ahhh. alright.
23:47.27BejittAntiarc: poke
23:48.31Funkeh`how does one move the fubar plugins freely anywhere without it snapping back to its original position? :/
23:49.00KemayoFunkeh`: Dragging only works to move them between bars, and to change their relative position to other plugins.
23:49.17KemayoFunkeh`: Right-click to get the menu, and use the position option to change whether they're left, right, or center aligned.
23:49.42Funkeh`i was under the impresion you could move them freely, my bad
23:49.52Bejitthm wrong poke
23:50.00BejittAntiarc|Work: poke
23:50.06Antiarc|Work<PROTECTED>
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23:50.16Antiarc|WorkBejitt: I might have broken it
23:50.20Funkeh`im trying to have 2 rows of plugins in the middle-right hand side of the screen, if i use 2 bars with 0 transparecy they are not clickthrough and get in the way
23:50.20Antiarc|WorkI've been drycoding today :)
23:50.22Bejittso i see :D
23:50.24Bejittahhh
23:50.26Antiarc|WorkTry it again in an hour or so
23:50.34Antiarc|WorkI'm about to head home and test
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23:51.57sbmhmh Cryect: recount menu (those icons) are strange... if your recount window is too small you cant click them (because of that "X Done (...)" text)
23:52.16kebinusanhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=3fR6ynoXag4 lol
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23:53.47Droolioanyone know much about WhoLib and DrWhoLib? - is one the successor of the other or something - they seem to do identical stuff...
23:54.13kebinusanDroolio, svn log them and see which one was updated last :-)
23:54.36FinWhoLib is awesome
23:54.40FinI use it, is all
23:55.30Droolioi think both been last edited roughtly at the end of may but i'm still a bit puzzled :)
23:55.44CIA-2203antiarc * r44936 10WhisperBid/WhisperBid.lua: WhisperBid: Add a first go at proxy bids. Not really fully cooked yet though.
23:56.24Drooliocoz there's a seemingly more recent release of WhoLib on wowi that seems to have different function names
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23:56.45Droolioexcellent Fin, what addon of yours uses it?
23:58.47NeoTronAntiarc|Work:  :)
23:59.02Finnone, but I notice its effect in just normal /whos - it'll queue multiple /whos and send them sequentially
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23:59.36Droolioaha

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