| 00:00.11 | NightHawkTheSane | NuSkooler: to actually answer your question, if you mean a svn-to-web page browser like ViewSVN or something, no there isn't one. |
| 00:00.11 | Saint-N | NuSkooler: its not that no-one does it, it's just that its not needed if you're not gonna modify ;P |
| 00:00.11 | sylvanaar | http://www.wowace.com/wau/setup.exe |
| 00:00.16 | Benumbed | just drop it already before you do sound like an asshat |
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| 00:00.34 | NightHawkTheSane | NuSkooler: you can browser the repo directory structure directly, but that's pretty simplistic and not really very useful. |
| 00:00.43 | NuSkooler | thank you |
| 00:00.57 | NuSkooler | already got the zips, ty |
| 00:01.25 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah, unless you're doing active development on something in trunk, its usually a good idea to stick with zips. |
| 00:01.53 | NightHawkTheSane | someone suggest a movie for me to download and watch. |
| 00:02.03 | Benumbed | screached |
| 00:02.05 | Benumbed | lolz |
| 00:02.24 | Saint-N | a good movie or one that youll be sad you wasted bandwidth on? |
| 00:02.26 | Benumbed | or is it screeched |
| 00:02.30 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 00:02.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Saint-N: er, good movie :P |
| 00:02.46 | Chompers | Transformers |
| 00:02.48 | Saint-N | Equilibirium |
| 00:02.51 | Chompers | die hard 4 |
| 00:03.00 | Saint-N | die hard 4 and transformers are good too |
| 00:03.01 | Benumbed | transformers telesync dvdr on usenet |
| 00:03.07 | Saint-N | its pretty bad |
| 00:03.10 | Saint-N | its not a real TS |
| 00:03.14 | Chompers | awww |
| 00:03.17 | Benumbed | one i got was pretty good |
| 00:03.23 | Chompers | TC or R5 |
| 00:03.26 | Chompers | some day... |
| 00:03.44 | Saint-N | umm undead is rad too night |
| 00:04.09 | Saint-N | kentucky fried movie |
| 00:04.16 | Saint-N | amazon women from the moon |
| 00:04.27 | Saint-N | texas chainsaw massacre the original |
| 00:04.39 | Saint-N | surf's up |
| 00:04.51 | Saint-N | the entire invader zim collection |
| 00:05.12 | Saint-N | there ya go ;P |
| 00:07.02 | theoddone33 | hm |
| 00:07.16 | theoddone33 | I want a downranking mod, but I'm not sure it'd be useful |
| 00:07.23 | theoddone33 | because I suck as a healer |
| 00:08.09 | theoddone33 | something like a slider with ranks on it |
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| 00:08.27 | CIA-22 | 03xbeeps * r43807 10HealCommLib/HealCommLib.toc: |
| 00:08.27 | CIA-22 | HealCommLib: |
| 00:08.27 | CIA-22 | - Updated the TOC to better accommodate WAU |
| 00:08.30 | theoddone33 | that you can just click on and your holy light bind will automatically be downranked |
| 00:08.45 | theoddone33 | so you can select any rank easily and still have one keybind |
| 00:08.54 | theoddone33 | and not mess with macros |
| 00:08.55 | Chompers | Ghost in the Shell, both seasons |
| 00:09.00 | Chompers | that's pretty awesome |
| 00:09.15 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, ive seen gits |
| 00:09.53 | NightHawkTheSane | although i havnt seen the movie in a while |
| 00:10.06 | Chompers | i didn't like the movoes |
| 00:10.09 | Chompers | *movies |
| 00:10.23 | Chompers | i loved the tv episodes though |
| 00:10.55 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe.. http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/010929.html |
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| 00:18.25 | Strigoi|LR | server started to lag:( can't handle the presure of aq40 raiders :( |
| 00:18.26 | Strigoi|LR | q.q |
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| 00:41.35 | Strigoi|LR | http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8864/wowscrnshot071507043825bh5.jpg |
| 00:41.44 | Strigoi|LR | my favorite part ^^ |
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| 00:41.59 | CIA-22 | 03daviesh * r43808 10AtlasLoot_RepFactions/ (. AtlasLoot_RepFactions.toc rep.lua rep.tw.lua): |
| 00:41.59 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot_RepFactions: initial commit |
| 00:41.59 | CIA-22 | - LoD module for AtlasLoot rep tables |
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| 00:45.30 | CIA-22 | 03daviesh * r43809 10AtlasLoot_WorldLoot/ (5 files): |
| 00:45.30 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot_WorldLoot: initial commit |
| 00:45.31 | CIA-22 | - AtlasLoot loot tables for outdoor raid bosses and world events (coming soon) |
| 00:46.06 | theoddone33 | do paladins downrank in arenas you think? |
| 00:46.07 | BankZ | With Omen, is there anyway to hide the version number? so it doesnt show the Threat and Omen versions under the bar? |
| 00:46.17 | NuSkooler | quick Q: I'd like to create some shared classes in my GUI that i can use in all my .lua files, for exmaple for standard backdrops, how would one do that? |
| 00:46.25 | CIA-22 | 03daviesh * r43810 10AtlasLoot/ (8 files in 5 dirs): |
| 00:46.25 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot: |
| 00:46.25 | CIA-22 | - Split off rep loot and world bosses into LoD modules (AtlasLoot_WorldLoot and AtlasLoot_RepFactions) |
| 00:46.25 | CIA-22 | - v4.00.00 finalised |
| 00:46.31 | NuSkooler | would i just include it in a simple class ? |
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| 00:47.05 | NuSkooler | so i could be like CreateFrame() ... f:SetBackdrop(MySharedBackdrop) |
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| 00:50.58 | NuSkooler | durp |
| 00:57.00 | Strigoi|LR | hmm how to manually enable proximity range checker in bigwigs |
| 00:57.04 | Strigoi|LR | if its even possible |
| 01:02.25 | durcyn | look for BigWigs_ShowProximity |
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| 01:05.55 | CIA-22 | 03daviesh * r43811 10AtlasLoot/Core/AtlasLoot.lua: |
| 01:05.55 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot: |
| 01:05.55 | CIA-22 | - Forgot to increment version number |
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| 01:14.51 | theoddone33 | whoa that illidan bow is OP |
| 01:14.58 | theoddone33 | drain 8 mana per hit |
| 01:15.18 | theoddone33 | maybe that's not all that OP, but kinda good still |
| 01:16.26 | Aenslaed | its a neat gimmic |
| 01:16.52 | Sole | anybody seen harry potter and the order of the phoenix yet? |
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| 01:23.54 | art3mis | whoowah |
| 01:25.19 | pakoz | yo |
| 01:25.32 | pakoz | anyone know how to push crush 100% off the table? |
| 01:25.55 | pakoz | or how to calculate the chance of being crushed? |
| 01:27.03 | Fin | I am crrusheeng your head! |
| 01:27.13 | Riddle_Box | CRUSHEMMMMMMMMM WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT |
| 01:27.42 | NightHawkTheSane | ~crush Fin |
| 01:27.43 | purl | ACTION crushes Fin with a full height scsi disk |
| 01:28.06 | pakoz | =/ |
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| 01:30.23 | Fin | yet the lights are on... strange |
| 01:30.40 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. i get that a lot.. er.. i mean... |
| 01:30.42 | art3mis | if i dot his for 30 days i live rent free! |
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| 01:35.56 | Sole | nymbia: ping |
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| 01:39.02 | CIA-22 | 03kemayo * r43812 10FuBar_QuestsFu/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 01:39.02 | CIA-22 | FuBar_QuestsFu: |
| 01:39.02 | CIA-22 | - Tracker: Fix alt-clicking on a quest in the main tablet causing an error if "use own tracker" was disabled. |
| 01:39.02 | CIA-22 | - Fix minwidth/maxheight setting errors in some modules. |
| 01:40.33 | CIA-22 | 03strange * r43813 10Furious-2.1/FuriousGuild.lua: |
| 01:40.33 | CIA-22 | Furious-2.1: |
| 01:40.33 | CIA-22 | - Disable guild roster monitoring if you're not in a guild. |
| 01:41.06 | Wobin | ... |
| 01:41.12 | Wobin | Skyguard Silver Cross |
| 01:41.47 | Wobin | Why would they bother putting "..when you kill a target that gives experience..." on the proc chance of a ;level 70 item? |
| 01:42.01 | Wobin | I mean sure, "..or honor.." for pvp |
| 01:42.12 | Wobin | but why bother with the experience bit? |
| 01:42.58 | pakoz2 | how would you word it? |
| 01:43.01 | sag_ich_nicht | Wobin: so it works when they release the next expansion? |
| 01:43.09 | sag_ich_nicht | and rais the level cap to 80? |
| 01:43.12 | sag_ich_nicht | +e |
| 01:43.14 | Wobin | I'd remove the 'experience' bit |
| 01:43.15 | pakoz2 | oh snap sag_ich with the win |
| 01:43.27 | Wobin | They can always put it back in on expansion |
| 01:43.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Wobin that's because you are *ding* RONG |
| 01:43.38 | Kemayo | Wobin: It wasn't always requires 70. |
| 01:43.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: things that happen "when you kill a target that gives experience" happen on any "green con" target |
| 01:43.54 | Wobin | sag_ich_nicht: What, like... how you're 'wrong'? =) |
| 01:43.59 | Kemayo | Also, what NHTS said. |
| 01:44.01 | NightHawkTheSane | the actual gain of experience or honor is irrelevent |
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| 01:44.17 | Wobin | yes, well that's misleading |
| 01:44.24 | Wobin | Cause you -don't- gain experience |
| 01:44.25 | Kemayo | Wobin: There was a 19 rogue-twink who (rather impressively) had the Skyguard Silver Cross. :D |
| 01:44.39 | pakoz2 | anyone know who makes "TankPoints" authors name i mean |
| 01:44.40 | sag_ich_nicht | before they made that impossible :P |
| 01:44.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: its arguably one of the best ways of wording it, given that there's no real in-game way to refer to a mob's difficulty color |
| 01:45.06 | Wobin | Hell "If they con 'green'" would work =P |
| 01:45.27 | NightHawkTheSane | there's absolutely no precident for the use of 'con' or even referring to "green" with relation to a mob in the game though |
| 01:45.27 | Wobin | It's not as if 'gain experience' is an 'ingame' description |
| 01:45.30 | Kemayo | 'con' doesn't make sense -- that's EQ terminology, not used anywhere in WoW. :P |
| 01:45.35 | sag_ich_nicht | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blackrock&n=Dirtybishop <--one of the best lvl 19 pvp twinks i know of |
| 01:45.40 | Wobin | it's not an EQ term, btw =P |
| 01:45.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Kemayo: to be sure, its not strictly EQ ;) |
| 01:45.56 | NightHawkTheSane | con actually comes from old muds, but i digress |
| 01:46.01 | Kemayo | Yeah, it predates EQ, I know. I just think of it as EQ when we're talking about mmorpg. |
| 01:46.13 | Kemayo | s/.$/s./ |
| 01:46.14 | sag_ich_nicht | never player EQ, stuck to UO |
| 01:46.17 | sag_ich_nicht | explain con :P |
| 01:46.21 | Sole | Wobin: by "a mob that gives experience" they mean a mob which is colored green-red for you even if you are max level |
| 01:46.26 | Gngsk | con was totally used in SWG! |
| 01:46.30 | Kemayo | Aw, purl is not as good at substitutions as I had hoped. |
| 01:46.33 | Wobin | But still, it's misleading, as you don't gain any experience on green mobs at 70, so I've always expected those procs never to happen |
| 01:46.43 | Sole | well they still happen :p |
| 01:46.46 | sag_ich_nicht | ~con |
| 01:46.47 | purl | i guess con is apt |
| 01:46.49 | Sole | but the Skyguard trinket is still ASS |
| 01:47.16 | pakoz2 | Sole |
| 01:47.16 | pakoz2 | did you get my PM? |
| 01:47.16 | Sole | I dont know who in their right mind would use it |
| 01:47.16 | Wobin | Sole: They should describe it better! |
| 01:47.16 | Wobin | Damnit |
| 01:47.16 | sag_ich_nicht | tell meeee what con means D: |
| 01:47.16 | Wobin | ! |
| 01:47.18 | Wobin | con is short for 'consider' |
| 01:47.19 | Sole | Wobin: all I got was "ya I have" from you |
| 01:47.22 | Sole | Wobin: nm |
| 01:47.22 | Kemayo | sag_ich_nicht: 'con' is a command short for 'consider', telling you how tough a mob looks. |
| 01:47.30 | Sole | pakoz2: all I got was "ya I have" from you |
| 01:47.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Kemayo: ah |
| 01:47.39 | sag_ich_nicht | thanks |
| 01:47.39 | Sole | con - difficult of the mob |
| 01:47.44 | Sole | green con is easy |
| 01:47.46 | Sole | red con is fucking hard |
| 01:47.50 | Wobin | You'd normally get the response of "This mob would be easy/about normal/difficult/stupid to kill" |
| 01:48.04 | Wobin | on a mud anyway |
| 01:48.05 | Kemayo | I never really played old muds, but in EQ you'd get back text along the lines of "Do not fuck with this mob. It will fucking kill you." |
| 01:48.06 | art3mis | con was a mud carry over that allowed you to consider how the mob rated compared to you in defnece damage etc |
| 01:48.07 | sag_ich_nicht | i see |
| 01:48.08 | Sole | pakoz2: talk out in the open, I cant use private messaging on this server :( |
| 01:48.08 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 01:48.14 | pakoz2 | heh |
| 01:48.15 | sag_ich_nicht | i go to bed now |
| 01:48.16 | pakoz2 | just register |
| 01:48.16 | sag_ich_nicht | good night |
| 01:48.26 | Sole | no I fucked up my password |
| 01:48.28 | Sole | or someone else did |
| 01:49.15 | Sole | pakoz2: what did you think of it? |
| 01:49.32 | pakoz2 | as a critic it was all over the place |
| 01:49.40 | pakoz2 | and corny |
| 01:49.42 | Sole | as a fan of the books |
| 01:49.48 | Sole | I found it hugely dissapointing |
| 01:50.07 | Sole | seriously, leaving out key plot elements and then changing more key plot events is just stupid |
| 01:50.14 | pakoz2 | heh |
| 01:50.25 | Sole | blatantly changing the storyline was just annoying to watch |
| 01:50.28 | Wobin | Hazza Potter? |
| 01:50.31 | Sole | yah |
| 01:50.34 | Wobin | oh |
| 01:50.40 | pakoz2 | they just left out x y z and replaced it a corny line or 2 |
| 01:50.41 | Wobin | go make your own channel =) |
| 01:50.46 | Wobin | I've yet to see it |
| 01:50.47 | Sole | haha |
| 01:50.54 | Sole | Wobin: did you like the book? |
| 01:51.00 | Gngsk | sole, have you not registered to nickserv in 60 days? if so then you can request to have the nick dropped and reregister |
| 01:51.08 | Wobin | I never actually managed to read it |
| 01:51.12 | Wobin | since I was trying in chinese |
| 01:51.17 | Sole | Gngsk: whats the command? |
| 01:51.22 | Sole | Wobin: youre a silly |
| 01:51.33 | Gngsk | sole, FAQ says you have to ask a staffer |
| 01:51.45 | Gngsk | guess you could just ask 'em to rest your pw too |
| 01:52.01 | Sole | hmmrf |
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| 01:52.35 | Sole | back to the movie, I knew it was gonna be messed up from the first 5 minutes :( |
| 01:53.10 | Sole | for 1, the book starts under the window not in the park. the conversation in the park didnt include the big group and then the old woman, mrs figg, was meant to be RAGED |
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| 01:53.16 | Sole | she was calm |
| 01:53.23 | Sole | I was looking forward to seeing her rage :( |
| 01:54.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Sole: its interesting that you say that, because I've heard that J.K. Rawling personally oversaw the screenplay and such to make sure that was in or not was precisely what she wanted. *shrug* |
| 01:54.12 | Bam__ | are modules not supposed to be automatically enabled/disabled when the core addon is? |
| 01:55.07 | Sole | NightHawkTheSane: I dunno about that because some important bits are just straight up left out or replaced, like they replace a conversation with 1 or 2 lines in a lot of cases. |
| 01:55.51 | BankZ | With Omen, is there anyway to hide the version number? so it doesnt show the Threat and Omen versions under the bars? |
| 01:56.18 | Jagobah | Omen freaks me out |
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| 01:56.32 | NightHawkTheSane | BankZ: no |
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| 01:56.45 | Jagobah | going back to KTM |
| 01:57.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Jagobah: *shrug* they're your cycles, i guess :P |
| 01:57.07 | Sole | youre also leaving this channel |
| 01:58.02 | art3mis | anyone who thinks that ktm is better than omen both in performance and look needs to be removed from the internet you're wasting my bandwidth ;P |
| 01:58.15 | pakoz2 | cmon now no need for that lol |
| 01:58.25 | Shirik | I find that to be incredibly... |
| 01:58.31 | NightHawkTheSane | pakoz2: sure there is. it really is terribly written :P |
| 01:58.36 | Shirik | well, I can't even think of the word for it right now |
| 01:58.37 | Shirik | but everyone's entitled to their own opinoion |
| 01:58.46 | art3mis | see the smiley after it? |
| 01:58.54 | pakoz2 | i use omen in place of ktm, but no need to hate on ppl lol |
| 01:59.04 | art3mis | thats actually my opinion towards anyone still using dialup or aol ;P |
| 01:59.06 | Shirik | on that note, when I tried to interface RDX with KTM, I wanted to shoot myself |
| 01:59.08 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:59.11 | Shirik | I'm on dialup atm too :( |
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| 01:59.17 | Shirik | not my fault though!! |
| 01:59.18 | art3mis | hah |
| 01:59.22 | pakoz2 | you still f'n with shirik? |
| 01:59.26 | pakoz2 | erm rdx* |
| 01:59.37 | Shirik | I kinda code it .. |
| 01:59.44 | art3mis | real rdx or cid's rdx? |
| 01:59.49 | Shirik | cid's |
| 01:59.50 | pakoz2 | its not veni's |
| 01:59.55 | Shirik | he and I have been together for an extremely long time |
| 02:00.07 | pakoz2 | hehe i think i got some orig versions of rdx |
| 02:00.07 | art3mis | he did a nice job |
| 02:00.13 | Shirik | don't tell nalia that though she'll get jealous |
| 02:00.21 | art3mis | some of the stuff make me scratch my head alot |
| 02:00.29 | art3mis | made |
| 02:00.41 | art3mis | but for the most part compared to ctra it was awesome |
| 02:00.47 | Shirik | I'll admit it isn't really intuitive coding, imho |
| 02:00.56 | art3mis | ctra made me wanna kill babies with spoons |
| 02:01.00 | Shirik | but it works, and it certainly (again, imho) doesn't suffer in performance |
| 02:01.23 | art3mis | i likes it because ofteh group layouts |
| 02:01.48 | art3mis | the idea i wasnt limited to single class or group layouts made me happy |
| 02:01.53 | Bam__ | is it worse than Blizzard's code? :P |
| 02:01.57 | Shirik | meh, I can't stand group layouts :P |
| 02:01.57 | art3mis | and the range thingy was awesome |
| 02:02.04 | art3mis | at the time |
| 02:02.15 | art3mis | i do for a limited reason |
| 02:02.16 | Shirik | I tend to use class mixes |
| 02:02.25 | art3mis | i like being able to monitor those fucking hunters |
| 02:02.27 | art3mis | ;) |
| 02:02.34 | Shirik | my main two windows are hunters and druid+pally+priest (mana only) |
| 02:02.37 | Shirik | rofl |
| 02:02.45 | art3mis | hehe and healers of course ;) |
| 02:02.48 | art3mis | heh |
| 02:02.58 | art3mis | everyone else is just in one big collection |
| 02:03.03 | Shirik | why use group layout for that though? |
| 02:03.04 | Shirik | why not by class? |
| 02:04.11 | art3mis | well at the timethere wasnt a way to group druids/priests/shaman all to gether in one row |
| 02:04.20 | art3mis | and then melee all in one |
| 02:04.21 | art3mis | etc |
| 02:04.26 | Shirik | sadly cid hasn't done any code work for a while :( maybe 6 months almost |
| 02:04.30 | art3mis | yea |
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| 02:04.40 | art3mis | ive stopped caring though since im not required to give a shit ;) |
| 02:04.42 | Shirik | he's been dealing with moving and what not, so I'm the only one left for now :( |
| 02:04.48 | Shirik | hehe |
| 02:05.02 | art3mis | i cast my vt and ve and dps til the cows come home |
| 02:05.03 | Shirik | he and I have big plans for v11 though whenever he gets back |
| 02:05.08 | art3mis | let the pallys keep me alive ;P |
| 02:05.08 | Shirik | rofl |
| 02:05.23 | art3mis | that lib? |
| 02:05.36 | art3mis | vfl or whatever? |
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| 02:08.03 | WillJitsu | is anyone else having trouble installing the self-updating version of wowace? mine fails when trying to install |
| 02:08.18 | Shirik | wowace |
| 02:08.33 | Shirik | art3mis: ? |
| 02:08.45 | Chompers | does it come with a Ckknight module? |
| 02:08.47 | Shirik | no, v11 meaning version 11 |
| 02:08.48 | art3mis | no the rdx lib |
| 02:08.55 | Shirik | VFL is the RDX lib ya |
| 02:08.57 | art3mis | oh heh my font made it looks like l's |
| 02:09.01 | Shirik | heh |
| 02:09.28 | Bam__ | Chompers: I don't see any animal references.. so doubtful :P |
| 02:09.34 | Chompers | haha |
| 02:10.10 | art3mis | heh or a listing of 15 other modules that would all be fine as non modular ;P |
| 02:10.15 | Shirik | I want a ckknight module |
| 02:10.26 | NightHawkTheSane | wowace v2.1, now with "Armadillo" module! |
| 02:11.16 | Bam__ | wonder if ckknight had a role in Ant :) |
| 02:11.30 | Shirik | haha |
| 02:11.40 | Shirik | that's awesome |
| 02:13.06 | WillJitsu | I'm getting "Cannot Start Application": Cannot download the application. The application is missing required files. Contact application vendor for assistance. when I run the WowAceUpdater-1.9.42-netinstall.exe. Anyone else experiencing this? |
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| 02:13.18 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 02:13.33 | |Stan| | aceupdater is getting worse with every new version |
| 02:13.49 | Bam__ | watch out for loose animals! |
| 02:14.00 | Chompers | thanks for your input stan |
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| 02:14.14 | |Stan| | np :) |
| 02:14.27 | |Stan| | I was about to provide real feedback |
| 02:14.32 | |Stan| | but did not have the time yet |
| 02:14.34 | |Stan| | sry :( |
| 02:15.01 | WillJitsu | it does appear to be getting slower with each new release =/ |
| 02:15.25 | Bam__ | well the amount of addons keep increasing :P |
| 02:15.32 | NightHawkTheSane | i could make some smarmy remarks, but i'll just say "write your own damn updater then." |
| 02:16.09 | WillJitsu | I'm just stating a fact :) not complaining |
| 02:16.50 | Bam__ | speaking of that... might it be a good idea at some point to move addons that are surely outdated from trunk to some other place in the repository? |
| 02:16.55 | art3mis | hrm wierd |
| 02:17.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Bam__: thats already been done, to some extent |
| 02:17.21 | art3mis | instlaling mepis on my desktop and somehow it tries to mount the cdrom with the wrong name then spams that it cant find the file system |
| 02:17.23 | kenlyric | NightHawkTheSane: I prefer "get the fuck out" as a response. |
| 02:17.35 | NightHawkTheSane | kenlyric: well, i did say i could make some other smarmy remarks. :p |
| 02:17.52 | Bam__ | ok.. but I think there are many left that could go :) |
| 02:17.53 | NightHawkTheSane | but "do it your own damn self" is my default response to most things |
| 02:18.01 | Shirik | get the fuck out |
| 02:18.07 | Shirik | and do it your own damn self |
| 02:18.14 | Shirik | now what did I miss? |
| 02:18.19 | Chompers | it's all Kencos master plan to being the Ace project down |
| 02:18.21 | Chompers | i just know it |
| 02:18.33 | art3mis | bringing |
| 02:18.35 | Bam__ | Kenco? |
| 02:18.52 | art3mis | its funny most of the updater issues started when they decided to include banners ;P |
| 02:19.19 | art3mis | so that leads me to believe that somehow it KNOWS they're trying to make money from it(even if its just server costs) and its fucking with em ;) |
| 02:19.25 | kenlyric | let's see, they recently added categories, time since lance update, and highlighting mods that need updating. Where is it getting worse? |
| 02:19.52 | art3mis | ken: slower, the banners being ie only etc ;P |
| 02:20.01 | kenlyric | art3mis: unlike every other wow website, which all run on pixie dust. |
| 02:20.06 | art3mis | heh |
| 02:20.21 | kenlyric | I'm glad no other mod websites have ads so I can stop using wowace! |
| 02:20.23 | art3mis | just make a pretty javascript webpage that accomplishes the same thing |
| 02:20.40 | art3mis | im not saying its wrong so calm down ;) |
| 02:20.49 | art3mis | just that its funny that it consides |
| 02:20.54 | art3mis | coinsides |
| 02:21.03 | art3mis | good god wtb: inline spellchecker/replacement! |
| 02:21.12 | Shirik | like firefox? |
| 02:21.16 | kenlyric | you don't have one? |
| 02:21.17 | NightHawkTheSane | kenlyric: wait,w ebsites have adds? |
| 02:21.24 | NightHawkTheSane | ads |
| 02:21.26 | art3mis | ken: nah havent bothered putting on in ;P |
| 02:21.26 | kenlyric | chatzilla tells me when stuff is spelled wrong :) |
| 02:21.38 | art3mis | its a default instlal of xchat with nothing else |
| 02:21.43 | |Stan| | where can I get build 1.9.29.491 |
| 02:21.48 | |Stan| | it's not on sf.net |
| 02:21.49 | NightHawkTheSane | art3mis: os x tells me when things are spelled wrong too :P |
| 02:21.51 | Shirik | why |
| 02:21.52 | art3mis | im mucking with my dekstop so im playing on ym old laptop |
| 02:22.12 | art3mis | night: osx wouldnt run well on my pii-233 292mb thinkpad 600 ;P |
| 02:22.21 | Bam__ | art3mis: some of the keys seem to have been switched around then :D |
| 02:22.23 | NightHawkTheSane | if by "well" you mean "at all" ;) |
| 02:22.34 | art3mis | heh semantics ;) |
| 02:22.53 | art3mis | bam: yeah thats my gayboard conspiring against me |
| 02:22.58 | Jaxon | Colloquy is nice, but I just can't use it as an IRC client, it is missing so many features. |
| 02:23.06 | art3mis | somettimes it types words that i wasnt even thinking at the time |
| 02:23.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Jaxon: yeah, plus its kinda sluggish and bloated, imo. |
| 02:23.40 | Bam__ | what do you use on osx then? |
| 02:23.46 | NightHawkTheSane | x-chat aqua |
| 02:23.53 | art3mis | i dont own a mac |
| 02:23.59 | Bam__ | an X11 app? |
| 02:24.07 | art3mis | i love steve jobs but im morally opposed to giving hi any moremoney ;P |
| 02:24.12 | art3mis | him |
| 02:24.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ... no.. x-chat aqua is an osx native port of x-chat |
| 02:24.20 | Bam__ | ahh |
| 02:24.20 | NightHawkTheSane | hence the "Aqua" designation |
| 02:24.41 | art3mis | x-chat-Rainbow edition should have been the mac name ;P |
| 02:24.46 | NightHawkTheSane | although, if you wanted, you could run any *nix irc app via x11, plus there's a half dozen or so native osx irc clients |
| 02:24.50 | art3mis | fucking hippies |
| 02:24.59 | NightHawkTheSane | art3mis: yer damn straight. |
| 02:25.02 | Bam__ | well Colloquy seems to suit my needs though |
| 02:25.05 | art3mis | whats funny is all the gui'd nix clients suck |
| 02:25.13 | art3mis | the console ones are awesome |
| 02:25.22 | art3mis | scrollz,bitchx,ctoolz |
| 02:25.33 | NightHawkTheSane | art3mis: eh, *nix x-chat is pretty good, but aside that, yeah, irssi ftw. |
| 02:25.37 | art3mis | hell even epic is better than the "i wanna be like mirc" xwin ones |
| 02:25.47 | Jaxon | NightHawkTheSane: X-Chat, never used it, always was an irssi guy, but I'm not a fan of OSX terminal. |
| 02:26.09 | Bam__ | iTerm! |
| 02:26.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Jaxon: there's MacIrssi, but that's little more than a thin gui shell over irssi, most of the config still needs to be done via commands |
| 02:26.21 | art3mis | night: yer a bark munching rock worshipping druid! |
| 02:26.25 | Shirik | telnet |
| 02:26.27 | Shirik | jeesh |
| 02:26.29 | NightHawkTheSane | but I'd suggest trying x-chat aqua, its really nice. |
| 02:26.32 | Shirik | you all are lazy |
| 02:26.51 | Bam__ | yea, lazy = smart :) |
| 02:26.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: i'm too busy waving magnets over my hd to write code, i can't be bothered to type into telnet windows at the same time ;) |
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| 02:27.35 | Bam__ | wait wrong logic... smart ==> lazy |
| 02:27.37 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Shirik|Telnet] by ChanServ |
| 02:27.46 | Shirik|Telnet | RAWR! |
| 02:27.56 | Bam__ | :O |
| 02:28.20 | Shirik|Telnet | Okay this is hurting my eyes, to say the least |
| 02:28.30 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
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| 02:29.18 | Shirik | I still can't figure out how to send a quit message though. I thought it was "QUIT :msg" |
| 02:29.28 | Shirik | but that always just turns up "client quit" |
| 02:30.47 | Thrae | Shirik: Remember to add \r\n at the end of your IRC packets. The quit message must exist. |
| 02:30.56 | Thrae | Actually no wait, it doesn't |
| 02:31.13 | Shirik | I can't add \r\n .. |
| 02:31.18 | Shirik | well, I push enter |
| 02:31.22 | Shirik | that should be the equivalent of that |
| 02:31.53 | Thrae | Wait, are you talking about an IRC client? Then /quit [message] should be suffient |
| 02:32.03 | Thrae | Check your client's documentation |
| 02:32.10 | Shirik | nah, I'm talking about telnet |
| 02:32.19 | Shirik | typing in the commands manually |
| 02:32.38 | kenlyric | 1000100011100101001010101 |
| 02:32.42 | break19 | he was telnetted into the irc server pretending to be a client :p |
| 02:32.47 | kenlyric | i irc in binary |
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| 02:33.26 | art3mis | i use hex |
| 02:33.29 | art3mis | im lazy |
| 02:33.32 | Shirik | practice safe hex |
| 02:33.37 | kenlyric | amateur. |
| 02:33.49 | kenlyric | man, I know it's evil, but I really like google docs. |
| 02:33.49 | break19 | safe hex? I'd rather hafe sex |
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| 02:34.35 | Knaledge | FuXPFu has a small bug where anytime you gain XP in an instance, the XP bar reappears |
| 02:34.40 | Jaxon | Oh, this'll take some getting used to. |
| 02:35.32 | Shirik | lua> return string.format("%d", 1 * 2048 *4096 + 1 * 128 * 4096 + 1 * 4096 * 8 + 1 * 4096 * 4+ 1 + 4096 * 2 + 1 * 2048 + 1 * 512 + 1 * 64 + 1 * 16 + 4 * 1 + 1) |
| 02:35.34 | Knaledge | also, disabling FuXPFu after having first enabled it leads to a phantom rep meter being shown above the XP bar until XP is gained |
| 02:35.36 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:36.14 | Chompers | basic programming question, what does == mean? |
| 02:36.21 | Chompers | i've forgotten :/ |
| 02:36.22 | Shirik | "is equivalent to" |
| 02:36.22 | Knaledge | and finally, enabling FuXPFu results in a large gap between the action bars and the main action bar |
| 02:36.25 | break19 | evaluates as |
| 02:37.08 | kenlyric | because just one = is assignment (usually) |
| 02:37.13 | Shirik | > return 2 == 1 + 1; |
| 02:37.13 | Shirik | true |
| 02:39.20 | Jaxon | Where are these time stamps |
| 02:39.23 | Jaxon | Aha, there they are. |
| 02:40.37 | Shirik | however, be careful with ==, btw |
| 02:40.55 | Shirik | what you intend and what you say can often be two different things |
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| 02:49.33 | NuSkooler | how hard it is to create a simple listview type of thing is blowing my mind |
| 02:49.56 | Shirik | in general, many don't use scroll panes to do such a thing |
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| 02:50.06 | Shirik | but rather show/hide and use the same controls, with an up and down button |
| 02:50.16 | Shirik | adjusting the values of the controls each time |
| 02:50.22 | Shirik | sorry, widget not control |
| 02:50.47 | NuSkooler | well for example, look at the "guild" window that list all the players in your guild -- to create such a thing is a nightmare |
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| 02:52.22 | Shirik | can't really access framexml atm |
| 02:52.24 | Knaledge | you could rip off like... lootlink |
| 02:52.29 | Shirik | but I can imagine |
| 02:52.29 | Shirik | and if it uses a scrollpane, I'm not surprised |
| 02:52.33 | Knaledge | thats pretty much a listview |
| 02:52.41 | Shirik | or VFL, but that's a bit hard to read =P |
| 02:52.54 | Shirik | but it works, and rather well |
| 02:52.54 | Knaledge | ludwig? |
| 02:53.07 | Knaledge | lightheaded also |
| 02:53.50 | Knaledge | and by rip off I mean.. artistically borrow. |
| 02:54.20 | Shirik | or "utilize the GPL in the manner it was meant to be used" |
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| 02:54.43 | Bam__ | uuh |
| 02:54.53 | NuSkooler | well say i want to throw a list of "strings" (which i need OnClick for, so i suppose buttons) in a scrollable list -- create a ScrollFrame with a Frame inside as the child? |
| 02:54.55 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:55.06 | Bam__ | on using xchat now :P |
| 02:55.20 | Shirik | NuSkooler: Again, you CAN |
| 02:55.23 | Shirik | but it would be a pita |
| 02:55.43 | Shirik | personally I would just create the buttons and use them from there. But again, you can. |
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| 02:55.59 | NuSkooler | what do you mean "use them from there" ? |
| 02:56.24 | NuSkooler | i need to list everyone in a raid where you can click on them and view another list of all aquired items/etc. during that raid |
| 02:56.46 | NuSkooler | a list is bad for this? |
| 02:56.49 | Shirik | create them at the start, and then hide/show what is needed. Update them when needed. When a user clicks the "scroll bar" it updates the contents of those buttons (SetText?) etc |
| 02:56.53 | CIA-22 | 03strange * r43814 10FuriousTask/FuriousTask.lua: |
| 02:56.53 | CIA-22 | FuriousTask: |
| 02:56.53 | CIA-22 | - changed the "IsAssigned" method to ensure accuracy. |
| 02:57.06 | Shirik | essentially emulating a list |
| 02:57.10 | Shirik | but not creating it with a scroll pane |
| 02:57.30 | Shirik | but this is how _I_ do it, because I think scrollpanes are very ugly to deal with (albeit sometimes required) |
| 02:57.40 | Shirik | so I avoid them when I can |
| 02:57.44 | NuSkooler | gotcha |
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| 02:58.03 | NuSkooler | seems crazy no one has created a simple "widget" library for that kinda simplistic stuff. |
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| 02:58.19 | Shirik | NuSkooler: VFL ;) but it's not Ace which I'm sure you're looking for |
| 02:58.29 | Knaledge | I think it'd be cool if somehow you could launch up a site and "draw" a addon |
| 02:58.38 | Shirik | been done |
| 02:58.41 | Knaledge | simple stuff like... here's the frame, add a check box here, there, etc. |
| 02:58.43 | Shirik | but it's a bit out of date now |
| 02:58.48 | Shirik | but it still mostly works |
| 02:58.51 | Shirik | I think |
| 02:58.55 | Knaledge | WoWAce.com baby ;) |
| 02:58.58 | Shirik | I never really used it |
| 02:59.03 | Shirik | oh they have one too? |
| 02:59.12 | Shirik | meh, I like having control over what I write anyway |
| 02:59.17 | Knaledge | because I want to edit Ludwig to add a little radio button right next to the rarity drop dwn that is... |
| 02:59.30 | Sole | then add it :P |
| 02:59.35 | Knaledge | if quality and stats[3][id] < quality then |
| 02:59.44 | Knaledge | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.57 | Knaledge | or at least... if I did |
| 03:00.09 | Knaledge | as far as what to type I'd be too intimidated by breaking something else |
| 03:00.15 | Sole | is the Ludwig frame created through XML or Lua? |
| 03:00.19 | Knaledge | would rather the author do it but of course, thats asking a lot |
| 03:00.24 | Knaledge | I have no idea |
| 03:00.30 | Knaledge | I could check? |
| 03:00.35 | Knaledge | if that sort of thing can be checked |
| 03:00.41 | Sole | uhm pretty easy |
| 03:00.47 | Knaledge | uhm I've never done this |
| 03:00.51 | Shirik | do you know the frame's name? |
| 03:00.55 | Shirik | probably not then :P |
| 03:01.00 | Sole | open the folder and if theres an xml file in there then it would probably be generated through xml |
| 03:01.02 | Knaledge | well its LudwigFrame |
| 03:01.06 | CIA-22 | 03mcc * r43815 10ArkInventory/Locale/zhTW.lua: |
| 03:01.06 | CIA-22 | ArkInventory: |
| 03:01.06 | CIA-22 | - update minor translation. |
| 03:01.08 | Shirik | I wouldn't rely on that |
| 03:01.12 | Knaledge | I know that because I use FluidFrames |
| 03:01.18 | Knaledge | and when I move it, thats what it's called |
| 03:01.20 | Shirik | I have a bunch of XML files and rarely ever code my frames in XML |
| 03:01.21 | Sole | well you'ld have to open the xml file |
| 03:01.27 | Sole | yeah I do too shirik |
| 03:01.43 | Shirik | Knaledge: Then open any XML files and ctrl+f for "LudwigFrame" |
| 03:01.45 | Sole | but I mean if there is an xml file present then opening it would indicate if the frame is created through it or not |
| 03:01.51 | Shirik | if you find a <Frame name="LudwigFrame"> then there's your answer |
| 03:01.55 | Knaledge | ui.xml |
| 03:02.01 | Sole | there you go |
| 03:02.29 | Knaledge | so do I mess with that file then? |
| 03:02.54 | Bam__ | you can only destroy it for yourself.. so go ahead :D |
| 03:03.23 | Shirik | don't lie, his changes could have a ripple effect across the server and crash everyone's UIs! |
| 03:03.27 | Knaledge | haha |
| 03:03.34 | Knaledge | the blue pill |
| 03:03.41 | Shirik | there's a bug in RDX.Cid that can cause that atm actually >.> |
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| 03:03.47 | Gorbulas | hello |
| 03:03.55 | Knaledge | aloha |
| 03:04.03 | Shirik | a cleverly crafted sync message could cause a ripple effect across the entire raid and crash it all ^^; |
| 03:04.03 | Bam__ | ohhh... gimme! |
| 03:04.03 | Knaledge | ok so I am in ui.xml |
| 03:04.13 | NuSkooler | is it frowned upon to use a mixture of say ACE and VFL ? |
| 03:04.24 | Shirik | but it would take an extremely long time to generate the message and you'd likely end up running out of memory anyway |
| 03:04.27 | Diao | vfl? |
| 03:04.30 | Shirik | NuSkooler: Don't ask me ^^; |
| 03:04.32 | NuSkooler | or other such common control/widget stuff |
| 03:04.35 | Shirik | though it does seem a bit..odd |
| 03:04.44 | Bam__ | why care if something is frowned upon :) |
| 03:04.48 | NuSkooler | lol |
| 03:05.08 | Gorbulas | I am working on my UI again, but I'm having trouble grabbing some anchors with visor2 |
| 03:05.21 | Shirik | but if you want to have fun, you can always /script function a(a) coroutine.wrap(a)(a) end a(a) |
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| 03:05.22 | NightHawkTheSane | VFL? |
| 03:05.23 | Gorbulas | chronometer for example |
| 03:05.24 | NuSkooler | I love ACE, my mod is already using FuBar integration, Waterfall, etc... but for a lot of stuff, i really need custom control windows |
| 03:05.32 | NightHawkTheSane | NuSkooler: ace is not an acronym. |
| 03:06.20 | Gorbulas | is there some trick I can use? |
| 03:06.26 | Bam__ | lots of Ace addons make their own frames.. no problem in that |
| 03:07.04 | Shirik | well I should warn VFL does more than just have UI widgets |
| 03:07.08 | NuSkooler | Ace is a framework/colleciton of libraries, not sure what's wrong with saying "i love ace" |
| 03:07.11 | CIA-22 | 03mcc * r43816 10ArkInventory/Locale/zhTW.lua: |
| 03:07.11 | CIA-22 | ArkInventory: |
| 03:07.11 | CIA-22 | - forget to add some translation... |
| 03:07.43 | kergoth | NuSkooler, you didnt say you love ace, you said you love ACE. it isnt an acronym. |
| 03:07.45 | NuSkooler | it just seems insane to reinvent the wheel for every mod to create something as common as a list. |
| 03:07.52 | Shirik | but it's probably its most powerful part |
| 03:08.06 | Knaledge | this is crazy |
| 03:08.12 | Knaledge | someone actually wrote every line of this? |
| 03:08.19 | Knaledge | in ui.xml ? |
| 03:08.20 | Bam__ | think I will call it aCe from now on just to create some emotion :P |
| 03:08.24 | NuSkooler | hah |
| 03:08.27 | Knaledge | or can this be somewhat generated? |
| 03:08.30 | Shirik | Knaledge: Potentially |
| 03:08.39 | Gorbulas | xml is easily generated |
| 03:08.45 | Shirik | it CAN be, but rarely is |
| 03:08.48 | Knaledge | buthow? |
| 03:08.49 | Knaledge | visio? |
| 03:09.01 | Shirik | I've generated portions of my code with a custom program |
| 03:09.03 | Knaledge | I mean it just seems crazy to actually code this when most of it seems very redundant and simple task |
| 03:09.24 | Knaledge | not that the file/code is SIMPLE but |
| 03:09.31 | Knaledge | it mostly looks like switches and the like |
| 03:09.41 | Knaledge | blah = blah, then this, close, next |
| 03:09.42 | Knaledge | etc. |
| 03:09.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Knaledge: perhaps surprisingly, a lot of coding is redundant and simple work. |
| 03:09.51 | Shirik | But this is one of the reasons I hate using XML for my frames: It's just too much. Not only memorization-requiring, but repeatitive |
| 03:10.04 | Knaledge | but thats what I mean XML seems very.. |
| 03:10.09 | Shirik | I'd rather use Lua to do so |
| 03:10.10 | Gorbulas | I have a program that generates an enormous portion of another program :) |
| 03:10.16 | Bam__ | yea where do you think the term "coding monkey" came from? |
| 03:10.19 | Knaledge | I don't know... it's a great anguage but used in this way I mean |
| 03:10.29 | Knaledge | a few lines of lua could probably wrap up most of an XML |
| 03:10.38 | NuSkooler | ...that's 90% the point of OO |
| 03:10.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Gorbulas: my job is maintainging an SOA layer, which is basically just a program to translate xml from one form to another. ;) |
| 03:10.59 | NuSkooler | you'd think there woudl be a easy UI framework. less code monkey, more development... |
| 03:11.02 | Shirik | Knaledge: Then use Lua. |
| 03:11.27 | Shirik | There are extremely limited uses for XML over Lua. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is for virtual frames |
| 03:11.40 | Shirik | Another is an OnLoad handler, but you can easily just write the script after CreateFrame() |
| 03:11.45 | Bam__ | well someone has to make that UI framework... and THAT is not trivial :) |
| 03:11.55 | Knaledge | it doesnt seem trivial |
| 03:11.59 | Knaledge | it just seems a bit like.. |
| 03:12.07 | Knaledge | wow you just spent all that time for... a few functions |
| 03:12.10 | Xuerian | Why bother with virtual frames though, when you can write constructors in lua? |
| 03:12.23 | Shirik | exactly |
| 03:12.34 | Shirik | and this is why RDX.Cid has .... like 2 frames coded in XML? |
| 03:12.36 | Shirik | something like that |
| 03:12.46 | Xuerian | with uiQuery it's even shorter |
| 03:13.03 | Bam__ | I find buttons somewhat cumbersome to do in Lua |
| 03:13.10 | Gorbulas | is there a library for displaying bars? |
| 03:13.17 | Xuerian | Timer bars? |
| 03:13.24 | Knaledge | its weird though because... although I Deal with this sort of thing on a regular basis, I never really pay attention to what it is I am looking at, code wise |
| 03:13.28 | Shirik | Bam__: I run with VFL so that's not an issue for me. I'm, admittedly, a bit biased |
| 03:13.34 | Shirik | VFLUI.MakeButton() |
| 03:13.36 | Shirik | :) |
| 03:13.36 | Knaledge | I'm gonna buy my programmers dinner this next week lol |
| 03:13.44 | Knaledge | because this is pretty intense |
| 03:13.45 | Gorbulas | it would be nice if I could have Chronometer, ElkBuffBars, a respawn timer, etc. all in one stack |
| 03:13.55 | Knaledge | they use XML for a lot of stuff.. XAML actually |
| 03:14.03 | Gorbulas | as opposed to bars all over the screen or overlapping |
| 03:14.12 | Bam__ | shirik: maybe I should check out VFL... so I can be a monkey again :) |
| 03:14.33 | Shirik | if you do, fill up our wiki >< |
| 03:14.39 | Shirik | neither Cid nor I have had any time to do it |
| 03:14.40 | Xuerian | XML is nice. It's not nice the way it ends up being used in WoW. Tribes2 had a excellent XML UI Designer right in game, you did everything live |
| 03:14.54 | Wobin | It's true |
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| 03:14.58 | Wobin | XML is nice |
| 03:15.00 | Bam__ | erm... |
| 03:15.03 | Wobin | WoWXML is... horrible |
| 03:15.07 | NuSkooler | whats the homepage for VFL? |
| 03:15.08 | Wobin | (or can be) |
| 03:15.10 | Gorbulas | nicer than html at least |
| 03:15.17 | Bam__ | you mean you want me to document it? :) |
| 03:15.18 | Knaledge | I wonder what ours looks like |
| 03:15.24 | Shirik | not the slightest clue, but if you want a shortcut to get it, http://rdx.emoemu.com/ |
| 03:15.26 | Knaledge | and we make GAMES lol |
| 03:15.29 | Shirik | download RDX, you'll find VFL inside it |
| 03:15.36 | NuSkooler | ty |
| 03:15.38 | Shirik | Bam__: Yes! :D |
| 03:15.44 | Bam__ | eeek |
| 03:15.46 | Shirik | it doesn't have any public documentation :( |
| 03:15.56 | Shirik | we started on it but quickly got overwhelmed with other things :P |
| 03:16.03 | Shirik | so if you come across anything and have some extra time ^^; |
| 03:16.33 | Shirik | at some point I'll fill it up |
| 03:16.43 | Bam__ | well working examples are generally better than documentation |
| 03:16.44 | Thrae | ThraeBot: !help |
| 03:16.44 | ThraeBot | Commands: !fc <see !c> -- Shows briefer stats (ala FoxBot); !c <eu/us> <server> <character> -- Shows player info from Armory; !l <eu/us> <server> <character> -- Last login via Armory; !g <eu/us> <server>, <guild> -- Armory guild info; !vs <eu/us> <server> <character> <eu/us> <server2> <character2> -- Compare the stats of two characters.; !api <function name> -- Displays brief WoW API function info |
| 03:16.44 | ThraeBot | fo (from WoWWiki.com); !t <url> [optional stuff after] -- Tinifies a URL; /msg ThraeBot t #<channel> <url> [optional stuff after] -- Sends the message to the channel, if bot and sender are in it; !i <item name or id> -- Displays item info from Armory; /msg ThraeBot and stop spamming the damn channel. |
| 03:16.57 | Gorbulas | has anyone noticed problems with DogTags? |
| 03:17.26 | Gorbulas | whenever I mouse over the unit frame for a raid member who is outside the zone, I get an exception |
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| 03:18.39 | Bam__ | phew back on Colloquy.. it's more for me I think :P |
| 03:18.55 | Shirik | ow |
| 03:19.17 | Gorbulas | yay Colloquy |
| 03:19.22 | Gorbulas | what else is there? |
| 03:19.31 | Shirik | telnet |
| 03:19.38 | Bam__ | might be able to customize xchat more ... but I found it hard to see who wrote what |
| 03:19.45 | Gorbulas | I've done that before |
| 03:19.52 | Shirik | I also need a name for the IRC client I'm developing |
| 03:20.00 | Diao | hm |
| 03:20.06 | Shirik | currently named "shirik's IRC thingy" |
| 03:20.07 | Knaledge | hIRCules |
| 03:20.16 | Shirik | that's what it says in the title bar, actually |
| 03:20.20 | Diao | is the WAU bin zip on sf the wrong zip? |
| 03:20.30 | Diao | it says it's version 1.9.42 but when i extract it's still 1.9.29 |
| 03:20.38 | Knaledge | I always wanted a IRC client named hIRCules |
| 03:20.42 | Bam__ | an acronym for that would be SHIT :) |
| 03:20.53 | Shirik | .... |
| 03:20.54 | Knaledge | lol |
| 03:21.12 | Gorbulas | Shirk's Hyper IRC Thing |
| 03:21.31 | Bam__ | but if you don't like that, there are others hehe |
| 03:22.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: ShirIRC? |
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| 03:23.17 | Bam__ | Shirt |
| 03:23.23 | Sole | nymbia: ping |
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| 03:23.51 | Shirik | I'm trying to keep my name out of it |
| 03:24.05 | Shirik | I'm only known by Shirik in WoW and far more known as Kimina |
| 03:24.12 | Shirik | but even that name I don't need to keep ^^; |
| 03:24.23 | Thrae | Shirik: What does it have to do with IRC? |
| 03:24.32 | Shirik | the fact that it's an IRC client? |
| 03:24.40 | NightHawkTheSane | lol |
| 03:24.44 | Thrae | You're making an IRC client? |
| 03:24.50 | Shirik | yup |
| 03:24.54 | Thrae | In Lua? |
| 03:25.01 | Shirik | no, though that would be interesting |
| 03:25.05 | Shirik | C++ |
| 03:25.13 | Thrae | Ah, OK. ThraeBot runs on Lua, which is why I asked. |
| 03:25.21 | Gorbulas | what is the purpose of DreamChat? |
| 03:25.38 | Shirik | I can't think of a way to make a GUI with Lua without some C backing code |
| 03:25.51 | Shirik | I'm not using a ton of print()s |
| 03:26.14 | Bam__ | what UI framework are you using? |
| 03:26.18 | Shirik | Qt |
| 03:26.25 | Bam__ | ok |
| 03:26.39 | Thrae | Shirik: Hehe. Well, you could write your own Lua lib for Windows graphics. |
| 03:26.46 | Bam__ | qIRC? |
| 03:27.03 | Shirik | I thought of a name like that I just didn't know if it existed already ^^ |
| 03:27.17 | Shirik | it seems so simple |
| 03:27.19 | Bam__ | well it might... |
| 03:27.48 | Thrae | Shirik: http://lua-users.org/wiki/LuaModuleLuaSdl <-- there you go! |
| 03:27.54 | RogueShadow | I found 3 qirc's so far |
| 03:28.01 | Thrae | Shirik: Then you're cross-platform too :) |
| 03:28.19 | Bam__ | isn't he already with C++ and Qt? |
| 03:28.19 | Shirik | Qt's cross platform too ;) |
| 03:28.21 | Gorbulas | what is a good mod that can display lots of bars… buffs and debuffs on me, HoT's and DoT's I've casted, etc |
| 03:28.30 | Thrae | Ah, Qt...bah, Qt |
| 03:28.40 | Thrae | Make slouken proud by using his SDL and his beloved Lua! |
| 03:28.45 | Shirik | hehe |
| 03:29.03 | Gorbulas | I used to have NECB, but that is about the opposite of what I want |
| 03:29.05 | Shirik | I'm trying to learn Qt at the same time |
| 03:29.06 | Thrae | !api UnitDamage |
| 03:29.07 | ThraeBot | Thrae: lowDmg, hiDmg, offlowDmg, offhiDmg, posBuff, negBuff, percentmod = UnitDamage("unit"); -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitDamage |
| 03:29.24 | Thrae | Shirik: Well, what's wrong with learning SDL? |
| 03:29.26 | Shirik | I'm not too familiar with it and Cid and I are planning on another project with it |
| 03:29.30 | Shirik | (with Qt) |
| 03:30.29 | Thrae | Shirik: Well, SDL is usually more available then Qt on various platforms, including small embedded systems, although Qt is available through Java. |
| 03:30.31 | Bam__ | can you make UIs that blend in reasonably well on platforms like Windows and OSX with Qt? |
| 03:30.53 | kbh | is zul'aman on the PTR ? |
| 03:30.58 | Gorbulas | sort of |
| 03:31.06 | Shirik | that doesn't change the fact that we want to use Qt ^^ |
| 03:31.06 | Gorbulas | I can tell the difference on Mac OS X |
| 03:31.31 | Thrae | Shirik: I'm not sure what you and Cide are planning on doing, but is a compiled language --really-- necessary? |
| 03:31.37 | Shirik | it also doesn't change the fact that MY IDE WON'T OPEN |
| 03:31.39 | Shirik | wtf >.> |
| 03:31.42 | NightHawkTheSane | its real easy to tell the difference between cocoa apps and non-cocoa apps in osx |
| 03:31.43 | Shirik | Cidan not Cide sorry |
| 03:31.45 | Bam__ | yea I'm afraid you pretty much have to use Cocoa to make a good looking OSC app |
| 03:31.52 | Bam__ | OSX |
| 03:31.58 | Thrae | My IDE is VIM + command line :D |
| 03:32.02 | Shirik | heh |
| 03:32.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Bam__: its not really good looking as much as it is sanely functional. |
| 03:32.08 | Shirik | I'm on my windows computer currently :( |
| 03:32.33 | NightHawkTheSane | osx apps have a certain standard of usability that non-cocoa based interfaces just havnt met yet |
| 03:32.39 | Shirik | I wonder if I have cygwin on this computer though |
| 03:32.53 | Bam__ | yea, but looking good isn't unimportant either :) |
| 03:32.59 | Shirik | I do :D |
| 03:33.14 | Bam__ | what? look good? |
| 03:33.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Bam__: true, but its real easy to come close enough. for me, its the little things that matter. |
| 03:33.22 | Shirik | Owner@MPDELBUONOLP ~ |
| 03:33.23 | Shirik | $ vim |
| 03:33.23 | Shirik | bash: vim: command not found |
| 03:33.24 | Shirik | =( |
| 03:33.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: o_0 no vim? *boggle* |
| 03:33.50 | Bam__ | well, the right term is "Look & Feel" I guess :) |
| 03:33.51 | Shirik | nor vi :( |
| 03:33.52 | Gorbulas | it's on a PC |
| 03:33.57 | Gorbulas | with Windows |
| 03:34.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Bam__: yeah, probably |
| 03:34.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: you, or whoever box that is, should be ashamed |
| 03:34.22 | Cyrez | vhaarr: Ping! |
| 03:34.23 | Gorbulas | that's cygwin |
| 03:34.30 | Shirik | it's cygwin with minimal tools ^^ |
| 03:34.39 | Shirik | the only thing I ever really use with it is wc |
| 03:34.45 | art3mis | i think i need to download all the black adders and red dwarfs |
| 03:34.56 | art3mis | hiya gorb |
| 03:34.59 | Shirik | well and find |
| 03:35.05 | Shirik | to assist wc |
| 03:35.16 | Gorbulas | notice the "Owner" login name that comes on OEM windows installs and the nonsense host name |
| 03:35.22 | Fatalis`timeout | anyone know why "You are not in a guild" is spamming my chat every 2 seconds? bad addon? |
| 03:35.28 | Shirik | hehehe |
| 03:35.28 | Shirik | yeah |
| 03:35.41 | Shirik | if I switched to ubuntu it would be far more sensible :P |
| 03:35.50 | Shirik | I don't have time to be adding a password and all that crap |
| 03:35.52 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, i havnt used cygwin in forever, so :P |
| 03:35.59 | Shirik | if I'm on windows I'm not doing anything important |
| 03:36.41 | Bam__ | Shirik: how "intrusive" is this VFL? Is it such that once you start building your UI with it, you pretty much have to use it exclusively? |
| 03:36.58 | Shirik | not at all |
| 03:37.11 | Shirik | in fact, VFL frames APPEAR to be natural blizzard frames |
| 03:37.43 | Shirik | you could do something like f = VFLUI.Frame:new(); return f:GetName(); |
| 03:37.43 | Shirik | etc. |
| 03:37.52 | Shirik | just as you would do f = CreateFrame(); return f:GetName() |
| 03:37.54 | Bam__ | well could I embed a VFL control (or whatever it uses) into a frame of my own without any trouble? |
| 03:37.58 | Shirik | yup |
| 03:38.03 | Bam__ | sounds good |
| 03:38.14 | Shirik | it would still be f:SetPoint(), etc. |
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| 03:38.54 | Bam__ | yea I was just thinking it might be easy to mess with the inner-workings of the library if you don't play by the rules all the time so to speak |
| 03:39.10 | Bam__ | some libraries are intrusive in that way |
| 03:39.18 | Shirik | well it's far easier to code that way |
| 03:39.25 | Shirik | VFL took some time and made it integrate rather cleanly |
| 03:40.13 | Bam__ | where should I look for some examples of using it? |
| 03:40.21 | Bam__ | (I assume there are no docs hehe= |
| 03:40.40 | Shirik | no docs :( and the only good addon I know of that uses it is RDX |
| 03:41.05 | Shirik | though the code itself (some of it) is well-documented |
| 03:41.10 | Shirik | (the VFL code) |
| 03:41.35 | Gorbulas | how do I use Quartz? |
| 03:41.41 | Shirik | Quartz is god |
| 03:41.46 | NightHawkTheSane | what do you mean? |
| 03:41.55 | Bam__ | how do you use god then? :D |
| 03:41.55 | NightHawkTheSane | you uh, install it, type /quartz, and configure it? :P |
| 03:42.00 | kbh | is zul'aman on the ptr? |
| 03:42.01 | Gorbulas | all I've gotten to work is the player cast bar |
| 03:42.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Bam__: religion ;) |
| 03:42.09 | Bam__ | oh yea |
| 03:42.10 | Gorbulas | I can't make anything else appear |
| 03:42.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Gorbulas: make sure they're enabled? type /quartz and mess with the options |
| 03:42.34 | Shirik | Gorbulas: its default package should have it shown, but if you for some reason turned it off, type /quartz and mess with focus and target |
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| 03:42.51 | Gorbulas | but I don't want those either |
| 03:43.26 | NightHawkTheSane | how about typing /quartz, playing with the options and making sure what you want is enabled and what you don't want isn't, then start asking better questions other than "how do I use it?" :) |
| 03:43.28 | Gorbulas | I only want the buffs and interrupts |
| 03:43.28 | Bam__ | RDX does appear to use a lot of XML for the UI though... |
| 03:43.50 | Gorbulas | oh :( |
| 03:43.51 | Shirik | mm, not what I worked on at least |
| 03:43.56 | Shirik | it does? |
| 03:44.07 | Gorbulas | those only show up for targets and focus, not yourself |
| 03:44.13 | Shirik | yeh |
| 03:44.15 | Bam__ | well I'm just looking in the RDX fold.. there are a few XML files at least |
| 03:44.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Gorbulas: yes |
| 03:44.23 | Shirik | oh there are definitely XML files :) |
| 03:44.36 | Bam__ | well that define frames :) |
| 03:44.38 | Shirik | the encounter bar is the only real frame I can think of off the top of my head though |
| 03:44.47 | Shirik | along with its components (all the icons) |
| 03:44.48 | NightHawkTheSane | quartz isnt a buff mod, it only shows timer bars for YOUR buffs/debufs on target and focus. |
| 03:44.52 | Gorbulas | what bars can I use to show my buffs/debuffs and hots/dots I've cast? |
| 03:45.13 | Fin | BARS OF HONOUR! |
| 03:45.14 | Gorbulas | in one stack |
| 03:45.19 | NightHawkTheSane | a different mod. |
| 03:45.27 | Shirik | Gorbulas: ElkBuffBars |
| 03:45.28 | NightHawkTheSane | something like chronometer, or whatnot |
| 03:45.33 | Bam__ | well there are unit frames too |
| 03:45.37 | Shirik | oh? |
| 03:45.46 | Fin | BARS OF HONOUR SHOWN ONLY IN ONE STACK! |
| 03:45.54 | Shirik | which file are you looking at, specifically? I'm curious (and it may be outdated XML, we de-XMLed a lot) |
| 03:46.02 | Shirik | we may have forgotten to remove it >< |
| 03:46.04 | Gorbulas | elkbuffbars and chronometer combined would work |
| 03:46.18 | Gorbulas | but they can't be displayed in the same place :( |
| 03:46.23 | Bam__ | rdx.cid_.10.2 |
| 03:46.36 | Shirik | yeh which file |
| 03:46.52 | Shirik | oh like unitframe.xml |
| 03:47.03 | Bam__ | well several in the RDX folder |
| 03:47.33 | Shirik | oh god those are old |
| 03:47.40 | Bam__ | hehe |
| 03:47.42 | Shirik | yes, that's the old windowing system |
| 03:48.00 | Bam__ | all right so where should I be looking? |
| 03:48.31 | Bam__ | for the easy 3-step solution to all my problems.... :D |
| 03:48.36 | Shirik | personally, I would look at RDXM_Assists/RDXM_Assists.lua |
| 03:49.15 | Shirik | there is XML there too but that's because I got lazy and copy-pasted |
| 03:49.15 | Shirik | ignore it |
| 03:49.15 | Shirik | oh wait no there isn't, I removed it ^^; |
| 03:49.55 | Shirik | RDXM.Assists.ImbueConfig will get you started |
| 03:50.03 | Bam__ | ok |
| 03:50.35 | Gorbulas | does anyone have a mod that makes the command history in WoW more like Bash? |
| 03:50.45 | Shirik | that just takes a simple frame and adds all the widgets to it |
| 03:51.08 | Gorbulas | so when I press up, edit a command, and hit enter, that command is added to the bottom rather than overwriting the line I editted? |
| 03:53.32 | Shirik | everything you see in that function, Bam__, is essentially exactly how you would use the VFLUI library to generate widgets and attach them to a frame. That's all you need |
| 03:53.57 | Shirik | And if that's all you want to do, just searching through the VFL/UI/Frames folder will show you everything |
| 03:54.14 | Bam__ | all right :) |
| 03:54.25 | Shirik | it also has a few cool little extras in VFL/UI |
| 03:54.28 | Shirik | drag and drop is really cool |
| 03:54.42 | Bam__ | how about something like a scrollable table control? |
| 03:55.15 | Bam__ | just to pick one of the easier ones hehe |
| 03:55.15 | Shirik | hrm, I haven't tried it but |
| 03:55.23 | Shirik | a mix of grid and scroll would be able to do that :) |
| 03:56.09 | Shirik | and the child for grid would be an edit box |
| 03:56.14 | Shirik | if you want it to be editable, of course |
| 03:56.16 | Bam__ | is there a general design concept in the framework? Like is it a model-view-controller design? |
| 03:56.39 | Shirik | not that I'm aware of ^^; |
| 03:56.55 | Shirik | probably, but I probably don't follow it either |
| 03:57.01 | Shirik | I just do what seems to work for me |
| 03:57.11 | Bam__ | just trying to get a feel for the abstraction level :) |
| 03:59.05 | NuSkooler | so can i just include VFL.lua and start plugging away? |
| 03:59.38 | Shirik | RDX/VFL.lua? No, those are RDX's VFL extensions (what we've added to the Library -- take it if you want, but it's not part of standard VFL) |
| 03:59.44 | Shirik | you want the VFL folder |
| 03:59.47 | Shirik | and all of it |
| 03:59.51 | NuSkooler | whatever.toc: libs\VFL\VFL.lua |
| 03:59.52 | Bam__ | well define "just" :) |
| 04:01.02 | Bam__ | gonna give it a try... if nothing else, it's always good to see how others do things :P |
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| 04:02.58 | Shirik | sure :) and if you have questions I'm occasionally around |
| 04:03.04 | Shirik | but since I lost my broadband I haven't been nearly as active |
| 04:03.49 | Bam__ | that's ok.. just give me your cell phone number instead :D |
| 04:06.02 | Bam__ | ok.. I have now read the docs :D |
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| 04:07.57 | NuSkooler | Shirik: what do i need to include in my .toc to start using VFL? |
| 04:08.15 | NuSkooler | i basically setup a mymod\libs\VFL dir |
| 04:08.22 | Shirik | just a dependency for VFL |
| 04:08.32 | Shirik | eh, don't do that |
| 04:09.00 | NuSkooler | you rather i share it? addons\VFL ? |
| 04:09.02 | Shirik | VFL needs to be its own addon. If you want to embed it, then you'll have to basically include every VFL file (which means basically copying VFL.toc) |
| 04:09.20 | NuSkooler | ok |
| 04:09.36 | Shirik | which is certainly possible |
| 04:09.36 | NuSkooler | so AddOns\VFL, use it as a addon. Then how would i use it in my addon? |
| 04:09.40 | Shirik | but I see not benefit in it |
| 04:09.46 | NuSkooler | i'll do it your way ;0 |
| 04:09.53 | Shirik | you CAN call RegisterVFLModule() but it's not necessary |
| 04:09.59 | Shirik | you can just start using it immediately |
| 04:10.10 | Shirik | use whatever APIs you want, etc. |
| 04:10.15 | NuSkooler | so have it as a addon, and i can just start going nuts with VFLUI.blah() ? |
| 04:10.20 | Shirik | yup |
| 04:10.26 | NuSkooler | i'm not gonna lie, that's pretty sex. |
| 04:10.32 | Shirik | hehe |
| 04:10.44 | Shirik | You CAN go further if you wanted to use all of its features, and generate a VFL module |
| 04:10.46 | Bam__ | does it have some kind of versioning builtin then? |
| 04:10.54 | Shirik | yup |
| 04:11.23 | Bam__ | so two addons depending on different versions of VFL could still coexist? |
| 04:11.41 | NuSkooler | well i'd like my module to be a Ace module (FuBar, Waterfall, blah) but looking at the VFL source, it has all the nifty widgets i'd like to not reinvent the wheel on |
| 04:12.05 | NuSkooler | writing a listview seems obsurd to me, looking at your source i can just use a ~List:new() |
| 04:12.08 | Shirik | RegisterVFLModule can specify a version but doesn't need to, and the APIs are always backwards compatible; but if you're just intending to use VFLUI tools, then there's no reason to go further and use RegisterVFLModule |
| 04:12.09 | NuSkooler | i'll take it! |
| 04:12.14 | Shirik | haha |
| 04:12.21 | Shirik | I <3 VFLUI.List:new() |
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| 04:12.32 | Shirik | it's one of the coolest widgets I've ever seen |
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| 04:13.42 | Bam__ | it just strikes me that we are kinda discussing this in the wrong channel hehe |
| 04:14.06 | NuSkooler | lol |
| 04:14.16 | NuSkooler | well i am writing a ace mod... kinda =p |
| 04:14.41 | NuSkooler | this is my first wow mod, it blew my mind seeing there is no "common controls" libraries |
| 04:15.00 | NuSkooler | i look at one mod to the next and joe blow reinvents the wheel to create a list. /cry. |
| 04:15.06 | Bam__ | yea well it's not an easy thing to make |
| 04:15.18 | Bam__ | a general UI library I mean |
| 04:15.30 | NuSkooler | yeah i can't argue that |
| 04:16.06 | mjc | ANY OS that refers to "copy" as Snarf universally fucking rocks |
| 04:16.17 | NuSkooler | i do such in c++, i just figured blizz would have had such a thing ... and if not, i figured it would have been one of hte core Ace libs, but the only one i could find is AceGUI-x but it's inactive |
| 04:16.18 | Bam__ | either you make it too specific so few people can benefit from it, or you make it very general but then it often becomes very complicated to use |
| 04:16.54 | Bam__ | well, Blizzard does provide the basic framework.. it's just..... VERY basic :) |
| 04:17.15 | NuSkooler | yeah |
| 04:17.43 | NuSkooler | they pretty much give you a frame it seems, "do what you want with it kids, enjoy!" Oo |
| 04:18.00 | mjc | NuSkooler: ace has plenty of libs that do most of what you want ;P |
| 04:18.08 | Shirik | sadly, I have to go so, good luck having fun with that stuff |
| 04:18.09 | Shirik | take care |
| 04:18.16 | NuSkooler | take it easy, ty for all the info |
| 04:18.17 | Bam__ | cya around |
| 04:18.57 | NuSkooler | mjc : i can't find a single Ace list, a window (window being the concept of basics of: movable, title bar, X button type thing, etc) |
| 04:19.13 | mjc | Waterfall-1.0 |
| 04:19.14 | Bam__ | mjc: I do think Ace is a bit lacking on the UI side of things... there are some goodies like Dewdrop but nothing you can really call a general UI library :) |
| 04:19.28 | NuSkooler | Waterfall-1.0 certainly does not support what i need |
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| 04:19.43 | NuSkooler | i'm using it for my general configuration which is the sickness |
| 04:19.44 | mjc | it has examples for what you are trying to do |
| 04:19.54 | NuSkooler | but listing raid members, negative. |
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| 04:20.47 | mjc | the problem is that it isn't easy to design shit in blizzxml :P |
| 04:20.56 | Bam__ | exactly! |
| 04:21.00 | NuSkooler | yeah |
| 04:21.09 | NuSkooler | can't argue with you! |
| 04:21.15 | Bam__ | that's why we are looking for something that does it for us :D |
| 04:21.25 | Jaxon | I'm going to write an addon, but the stuff on wowwiki is out of date for what I'm looking at (requiring a frame to register for an event). Where is a good reference? |
| 04:21.39 | mjc | wowace docs |
| 04:21.58 | Jaxon | mjc: doesn't that heavily reference the Ace framework? |
| 04:22.02 | Bam__ | wowwiki is pretty much THE resource... what part is out of date? |
| 04:22.21 | mjc | Jaxon: and all the code you need if you wanted to not use ace for some godawful reason is in the lib itself |
| 04:23.03 | Jaxon | mjc: the function of the addon is small enough that I don't need an entire framework. I need to register for an event and then play a sound when that event fires. |
| 04:23.04 | Gorbulas | Why can't Visor2 access Chronometer.anchor? I can get at it with /script |
| 04:23.29 | Jaxon | Bam__: In order for your frame to receive an event, you have to do two things: |
| 04:23.29 | Jaxon | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.33 | Thrae | Gorbulas: It might not exist when Visor2 is trying to access it. |
| 04:23.47 | Gorbulas | no it definitely exists |
| 04:23.54 | Jaxon | Bam__: as far as I know, you don't need a frame to attach an event to. Also, below that, it says "This part is out of date" |
| 04:24.09 | Thrae | Gorbulas: You mean you're using a /script command inside Visor2? |
| 04:24.16 | Gorbulas | no |
| 04:24.32 | Gorbulas | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.35 | Thrae | Gorbulas: Then re-read my first comment. |
| 04:24.48 | Bam__ | Jaxon: well I dont know which page you are looking at... but the only way to receive an event is via a frame's OnEvent script |
| 04:25.10 | Gorbulas | but it exists now when I type the command |
| 04:26.09 | mjc | aceevent is fantastic, I don't see a reason not to use it |
| 04:26.26 | mjc | or at least RTFCode so you can see what you need to do |
| 04:26.40 | Thrae | mjc: If it's a tiny addon, you probably don't need it. |
| 04:26.49 | Bam__ | well I do... it uses pcall :P |
| 04:27.30 | mjc | Gorbulas: why are you trying to hide the chron anchor with visor? just curious |
| 04:27.40 | Gorbulas | I'm trying to move it |
| 04:27.42 | mjc | aha |
| 04:29.14 | Gorbulas | where does the getglobal function come from? |
| 04:29.23 | Bam__ | from Blizzard :) |
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| 04:29.36 | Thrae | Gorbulas: Built-into Lua I believe, lemme check pil |
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| 04:29.45 | Bam__ | nah it's a Blizz thing |
| 04:30.02 | Thrae | Yep, it is Blizzard's |
| 04:30.03 | Bam__ | the Lua way would be _G |
| 04:30.39 | Thrae | _G exists too |
| 04:30.47 | Gorbulas | works only for globals, not glabal.variable :( |
| 04:31.08 | Bam__ | yea it does now... but I seem to remember it didn't before they upgraded to 5.1 |
| 04:31.22 | Thrae | Gorbulas: getglobal("variable").key |
| 04:31.34 | Gorbulas | but visor doesn't do that |
| 04:32.11 | Thrae | Should work under visor, but the "foo" might screw it up |
| 04:32.49 | Gorbulas | visor also has great variable naming |
| 04:32.57 | Gorbulas | local p = Visor2:ParseByName41(v, nil, nil, nil) |
| 04:33.16 | Thrae | The original Visor was partly developed by Rowne |
| 04:33.21 | Thrae | ~emulate rowne |
| 04:33.22 | purl | I'm simply aboggle |
| 04:33.29 | Thrae | ~literal emulate rowne |
| 04:33.29 | purl | "emulate rowne" is "<reply> Abuuuh? || <reply> I'm simply aboggle" |
| 04:33.38 | Thrae | ~rowne |
| 04:33.38 | purl | hmm... rowne is BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:33.53 | Sole | nowai |
| 04:35.07 | Gorbulas | also string.gsub(i, "(%a[%a%d_]-)"..p.."("..q.."?)(.-)%2"..s, function(k, _, v) tmpDB[k] = string.gsub(v, "\\"..s, s) end) |
| 04:35.22 | Sole | that makes complete sense |
| 04:35.29 | Thrae | purl: no, emulate rowne is <reply> Abuuuh? || <reply> I'm simple aboogle || <reply> Comments bloat filesize. || <reply> Variable names longer then one letter bloat filesize. || <reply> Reading obsfucated code makes for good coders, so I intentionally write obscure code. |
| 04:35.29 | purl | Thrae: okay |
| 04:36.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: lol. |
| 04:36.12 | Sole | lol |
| 04:36.29 | Thrae | ,--8<- |
| 04:36.29 | Thrae | | "<reply>On the list of people I'll accept development criticism from, you fall |
| 04:36.32 | Thrae | | somewhere between Clippy, the MS Office assistant, and a bag of rocks. Tainted love, |
| 04:36.35 | Thrae | `-->8- |
| 04:36.37 | Thrae | Crap |
| 04:36.56 | Sole | dont bag on Clippy |
| 04:37.52 | Sole | :O |
| 04:38.00 | Sole | whats the emote command? |
| 04:38.05 | mjc | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.06 | NightHawkTheSane | "/me" |
| 04:38.10 | Thrae | ~emulate tain |
| 04:38.10 | purl | On the list of people I'll accept development criticism from, you fall somewhere between Clippy, the MS Office assistant, and a bag of rocks. Tainted love, ooohhhooohhhh! |
| 04:38.21 | Thrae | ~emulate tain |
| 04:38.22 | purl | On the list of people I'll accept development criticism from, you fall somewhere between Clippy, the MS Office assistant, and a bag of rocks. Tainted love, ooohhhooohhhh! |
| 04:38.48 | Thrae | ~emulate rowne |
| 04:38.49 | purl | I'm simple aboogle |
| 04:39.08 | Thrae | ~emulate rowne |
| 04:39.09 | purl | Abuuuh? |
| 04:39.22 | Thrae | ~emulate rowne |
| 04:39.23 | purl | Variable names longer then one letter bloat filesize. |
| 04:40.58 | Bam__ | any Mac users have a good mouse they can recommend? :) |
| 04:41.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Logitech MX510, or similar. |
| 04:41.20 | Thrae | Bam__: A mouse with more then one button? |
| 04:41.25 | Bam__ | yes :) |
| 04:41.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Just about anything from logitech is worth it really |
| 04:41.43 | Bam__ | I have the Logitech MX Revolution atm |
| 04:41.53 | Gorbulas | I have the wireless laser mighty mouse |
| 04:42.13 | Bam__ | but I cannot get the wheel to work properly in WoW |
| 04:42.37 | Bam__ | I mean the twist wheel... sideways scrolling... whatever it's called |
| 04:42.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, *shrug* my mouse doesn't do that. |
| 04:42.48 | Gorbulas | that doesn't work in WoW |
| 04:42.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Try binding it to a key or something |
| 04:43.02 | NightHawkTheSane | and then just bind that key in wow ;) |
| 04:43.10 | Gorbulas | only vertical scrolling |
| 04:43.11 | Bam__ | the controller doesn't allow me to :( |
| 04:43.12 | NightHawkTheSane | that's what I do for mouse buttons 5-6 |
| 04:43.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Bam__: controller? you mean something other than USB Overdrive? |
| 04:43.48 | Bam__ | well I actually use ControllerMate :) |
| 04:44.00 | Bam__ | but I mean the one from Logitech too |
| 04:44.03 | Jaxon | Bam__: I've had to use SteerMouse to get full functionality out of my MX Revolution. |
| 04:44.19 | Bam__ | ohh... |
| 04:44.22 | NightHawkTheSane | I'd say try USB Overdrive, http://www.usboverdrive.com/USBOverdrive/News.html |
| 04:44.25 | Bam__ | I will look that up |
| 04:44.52 | NightHawkTheSane | I dont usually muss with brand-specific software |
| 04:44.54 | Bam__ | I remember trying USB Overdrive some time ago.. it still could not bind the wheel properly |
| 04:45.12 | Bam__ | I think Logitech is doing something weird with the wheel on that mouse |
| 04:45.21 | NightHawkTheSane | could be |
| 04:46.24 | Sole | one of the console commands to open up the Cockfight options menu is /cock o_O |
| 04:46.25 | Bam__ | best mouse I ever owned was Logitech G7... but that doesn't work at all on Mac |
| 04:46.35 | Bam__ | hehe |
| 04:50.57 | vithos | wireless mice, eww |
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| 05:09.03 | Sole | nymbia: ping wake up damn you |
| 05:09.08 | Sole | ~seen nymbia |
| 05:09.29 | purl | nymbia <n=nymbia@71-218-154-164.hlrn.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 4d 1h 10m 23s ago, saying: '~literal ckknight'. |
| 05:09.44 | NightHawkTheSane | wow, for days. |
| 05:09.47 | Sole | 4 days -_- |
| 05:09.50 | NightHawkTheSane | four |
| 05:09.51 | NightHawkTheSane | * |
| 05:09.57 | Sole | oh well |
| 05:10.04 | NightHawkTheSane | nymbia's totally MIA. we should send out a search party |
| 05:10.04 | Sole | guess his name in the credits will be enough |
| 05:10.14 | Thrae | ~botmail |
| 05:10.17 | Sole | *sekeretly jacked some of his code* |
| 05:10.30 | NightHawkTheSane | well its not a secret any more you filthy thief. |
| 05:10.32 | Thrae | Sole: Send him a botmail |
| 05:10.39 | Sole | youre a filthy |
| 05:10.43 | Sole | Thrae: yeah will do |
| 05:10.45 | Sole | ~botmail |
| 05:11.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i -am- filthy. i havnt showered since this morning, and it's been murderously hot. |
| 05:12.15 | Sole | I havent showered since yesterday |
| 05:12.21 | Sole | but its winter and murderously cold |
| 05:12.40 | NightHawkTheSane | its also a weekend so no one really cares. |
| 05:12.50 | Sole | and opening the shower door after the shower is scary |
| 05:13.02 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 05:14.04 | Gorbulas | loadstring("return " .. name)() is better than getglobal(name) |
| 05:14.54 | NM|Xinhuan|Guru | why is that better? |
| 05:15.00 | Gorbulas | also looks more in keeping with the coding style of Visor2 |
| 05:15.15 | Gorbulas | it works in more cases than getglobal |
| 05:15.33 | Gorbulas | but should not be used on network input for obvios reasons |
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| 05:21.54 | mjc | http://outsideinkorea.com/images/content/thats_racist.gif |
| 05:22.46 | Nosrac | For those of you who haven't heard, Voice Chat is planned for 2.2 ;-D http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/interceptor.html?interceptedURL=http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108415058&pageNo=3&sid=1 |
| 05:23.23 | Gorbulas | hmmm how do I reference a global variable that has spaces in it's name? |
| 05:23.38 | Nosrac | Why put a space in it o.O? |
| 05:23.53 | Gorbulas | I didn't put the space there |
| 05:24.01 | Nosrac | Err |
| 05:24.16 | Thrae | !t http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/interceptor.html?interceptedURL=http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=108415058&pageNo=3&sid=1 |
| 05:24.17 | ThraeBot | Thrae: http://tinyurl.com/26xcbr |
| 05:24.30 | Nosrac | Oooh that's a cool feature, Thrae |
| 05:24.58 | Thrae | Nosrac: You can also do /msg ThraeBot t #channel <url> <stuff after url> |
| 05:25.01 | NightHawkTheSane | a) why is the wow forums url intercepter intercepting links to itself. |
| 05:25.13 | NightHawkTheSane | b) why in the name of hell did you copy that bit too? yeesh. l2edityourgoddamnurls. |
| 05:25.32 | Nosrac | Thrae that's pretty cool, I've yet to mess with the bots ;-D |
| 05:25.50 | Thrae | Nosrac: /msg ThraeBot help |
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| 05:39.19 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh. |
| 05:39.54 | Nosrac | Ckknight, are you planning on doing anything with Voice Chat + PitBull in 2.2 =D? |
| 05:40.02 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: What are you working on? |
| 05:40.36 | ckknight | Nosrac: yes |
| 05:40.41 | Nosrac | Ckknight I love you =D |
| 05:40.51 | ckknight | I already have plans |
| 05:40.57 | ckknight | but currently, I'm playing Wii with my brother |
| 05:41.01 | Nosrac | Ahh |
| 05:41.02 | Nosrac | Awesome |
| 05:41.03 | Nosrac | What game? |
| 05:41.28 | Gorbulas | are you noticing problems with dogtags throwing exceptions when displaying tooltips for people outside the zone? |
| 05:44.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: ah, just a php project I've been working on for a couple years now. Basically a web app to dynamically generate an image based on certain parameters. Its intended to generate grid-based maps, for pencil & paper rpgs, and such. |
| 05:44.54 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: Ah, sounds neato. |
| 05:45.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah, if I ever finish it it will be. I decided to change how authentication worked, which required a decent refactoring of the code. |
| 05:45.39 | NightHawkTheSane | And i loath writing authentication/authorization code. |
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| 05:48.21 | Keias | o_O |
| 05:48.25 | Keias | Indiana host |
| 05:48.29 | Keias | What city ya from ZealotOnAStick? |
| 05:49.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Keias: does it matter? its not like indiana has any cities that are worth the title. ;) |
| 05:49.36 | Keias | Indianapolis is ok |
| 05:49.45 | Keias | same with Fort Wayne |
| 05:49.57 | Nosrac | lol |
| 05:50.00 | NightHawkTheSane | hah, fort wayne isn't a city. its like a big suburb. |
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| 05:51.19 | Keias | Nah, that's the outlying cities |
| 05:51.25 | Keias | like New Haven and Leo, ect |
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| 05:52.23 | Bam__ | who was using SteerMouse? :) |
| 05:53.17 | sylvanaar | ckknight you can use my chatbubble and highlights if you need them for pitbull |
| 05:53.17 | ZealotOnAStick | Keias: fort wayne |
| 05:53.40 | ZealotOnAStick | brb |
| 05:54.25 | sylvanaar | so can one of you that runs FF rest eh install - and send me the error? |
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| 05:54.55 | sylvanaar | what is "rest eh install" |
| 05:56.36 | art3mis | slv: test the install ;P |
| 05:56.41 | art3mis | err sylv |
| 05:56.51 | sylvanaar | i dont have FF |
| 05:57.08 | art3mis | no thats what "rest eh install" is in english ;P |
| 05:57.31 | art3mis | whats the url ill test |
| 05:57.37 | sylvanaar | i want someone who runs FF to see if they can installs |
| 05:58.58 | art3mis | this is the aprt where you gimme the url ;P |
| 05:59.02 | sylvanaar | links from wowace.com/wu/publish.htm |
| 05:59.10 | sylvanaar | links from wowace.com/wau/publish.htm |
| 05:59.29 | sylvanaar | there s a link on the wiki as well |
| 06:00.31 | art3mis | Cannot download the applications. The application is missing. |
| 06:00.36 | Jaxon | Bam__: I was. Like it? |
| 06:01.22 | Bam__ | Jaxon: yea but problem is I had to uninstall ControllerMate to get it working... so now I miss something to configure my gamepad |
| 06:01.39 | Jaxon | Can't help you. I just have the one mouse to configure :\ |
| 06:02.08 | sylvanaar | FF |
| 06:02.24 | Bam__ | oh have you been able to configure the wheel so it stays out of the "tick-mode" always? |
| 06:02.25 | art3mis | sylv: www.pastey,net/70841 <-- that was after having to "open" the application as well as having to "open" the setup.exe |
| 06:02.33 | art3mis | thats the full error |
| 06:03.18 | art3mis | err |
| 06:03.28 | art3mis | www.pastey.net/70841 |
| 06:03.28 | Jaxon | Bam__: yeah, that requires some terminal command, check the menus/help files/site, there is a thing in the FAQ on the site. |
| 06:03.46 | Bam__ | Jaxon: cheers will do that |
| 06:04.57 | sylvanaar | the problem is that FF cant make the sercure handoff to IR |
| 06:05.43 | NuSkooler | Bam__ : happen to play around with that VFL List class yet? |
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| 06:06.02 | Bam__ | NuSkooler: no not yet.. have you? |
| 06:06.17 | NuSkooler | attempting to, can't seem to populate one |
| 06:06.34 | NuSkooler | the window, button, etc, classes are pretty slick though |
| 06:06.54 | sylvanaar | do u know of a link to omnipeek = demo? |
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| 06:07.44 | Bam__ | sounds good... gonna check it out later |
| 06:09.08 | CIA-22 | 03next96 * r43818 10ItemPriceTooltip/ItemPriceTooltip.lua: |
| 06:09.09 | CIA-22 | ItemPriceTooltip : |
| 06:09.09 | CIA-22 | - Update locale koKR |
| 06:19.40 | CIA-22 | 03fin * r43819 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/Substitutions.lua: Prat: modules/Substitutions.lua: added ability to create user defined Substitutions - has add, delete, and list options atm, with user subs limited to fixed strings only (hopefully this will only be temporary) |
| 06:20.49 | sylvanaar | fin have you seen customfilter? |
| 06:20.54 | Fin | sylvanaar: yes |
| 06:20.56 | sylvanaar | ok |
| 06:21.02 | Fisker- | http://cgi.4chan.org/f/src/MENTOS.swf :O |
| 06:21.15 | Fin | more of an excercise for me than anything :) |
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| 06:21.47 | sylvanaar | you can let then supply lua |
| 06:22.01 | sylvanaar | just wrap in a loadstring() |
| 06:22.56 | sylvanaar | wtb omnitpeek pst |
| 06:22.57 | Fin | yeah, that's basically what I was thinking, wasn't sure how to flag plain text as "do not interpret" tho |
| 06:24.02 | sylvanaar | example? |
| 06:24.08 | Fisker- | btw sylvanaar :( |
| 06:24.09 | Fisker- | you failed |
| 06:24.16 | sylvanaar | i slep |
| 06:24.18 | sylvanaar | slept |
| 06:24.27 | Fisker- | the zipped 1.9.42 is 1.9.29 |
| 06:25.09 | sylvanaar | bay |
| 06:25.12 | sylvanaar | bah |
| 06:25.34 | sylvanaar | my build script is broken for the sf.net site |
| 06:25.53 | Fisker- | also it says an upgrade is available :O |
| 06:30.35 | sylvanaar | use the URL fixer |
| 06:30.41 | sylvanaar | Fisker- |
| 06:31.09 | sylvanaar | and if you use FF, use IE fot this |
| 06:32.18 | Fisker- | as if i would use FireFail |
| 06:32.30 | Fisker- | what url fixer btw? |
| 06:33.47 | Thrae | Fisker-: Lack of proper Firefox use can lead to spyware, serility, pregnancy, premature ejaculation, crabs, warts, Hunnington's Disease, and athlete's foot. |
| 06:34.22 | sylvanaar | and dont forget - IE eats babies |
| 06:34.52 | Fisker- | nah |
| 06:35.00 | Fin | However! |
| 06:35.02 | Fisker- | well actuall yeah |
| 06:35.06 | Fisker- | and i like it eats babies |
| 06:35.19 | Fisker- | also lack of proper Internet Explorer use yields same issues |
| 06:35.38 | Fisker- | and Fin must die |
| 06:35.39 | CIA-22 | 03hegarol * r43820 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/ (GeneralPvP.en.lua sets.en.lua): |
| 06:35.39 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP: |
| 06:35.39 | CIA-22 | - Two new Arena items |
| 06:35.39 | CIA-22 | - New TGC mount |
| 06:36.17 | Fin | I think I speak for the entire community when I say that, yes, Firefox is good, but shouldn't we really stop playing with beta software and accept Opera as the official standard? |
| 06:36.26 | Fin | why yes! yes we should |
| 06:36.27 | sylvanaar | the pages work like this - we hard code a URI into the ap |
| 06:37.13 | Thrae | Fin: Firefox isn't beta. The big-ass TWO on the front of it denotes Release, 2nd version. |
| 06:37.13 | sylvanaar | we let the browser navigate to them |
| 06:37.27 | Fisker- | sure acts like lololol Thrae |
| 06:37.59 | Fin | Thrae: oh, I do apologise, sorry! my mistake, I just assumed it was still running with debug code compiled in |
| 06:38.20 | sylvanaar | the code on the page has from when the http request goes out, until the document is complete to do all its request |
| 06:38.25 | sylvanaar | after that - its locked down |
| 06:38.53 | Thrae | Fin: It's open source. Of course it has debugger code in it, as should all applications where you need as much feedback as possible. |
| 06:39.19 | Fin | Thrae: I meant, the installer - why else would it be so slow and such a huge download? |
| 06:39.23 | CIA-22 | 03daviesh * r43821 10AtlasLoot_WorldLoot/ (. AtlasLoot_WorldLoot.toc): |
| 06:39.23 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot_WorldLoot: |
| 06:39.23 | CIA-22 | -Chinese translation for toc |
| 06:39.45 | Fin | Thrae: I am just trollin, sorry (I mean, I *do* think Opera's far better than Firefox, but I like Firefox too!) |
| 06:40.06 | CIA-22 | 03daviesh * r43822 10AtlasLoot_RepFactions/ (. AtlasLoot_RepFactions.toc): |
| 06:40.07 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot_RepFactions: |
| 06:40.07 | CIA-22 | - Chinese translation for toc |
| 06:40.11 | sylvanaar | FF is a pig - they should have named it wilbur |
| 06:40.30 | Fin | Opera's a pig too, but it's a fuckin fast pig |
| 06:40.34 | Thrae | Fin: I believe Opera downloads the rest of itself during the setup process. |
| 06:40.43 | Fin | Thrae: it doesn't |
| 06:40.48 | CIA-22 | 03daviesh * r43823 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP.toc: |
| 06:40.48 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP: |
| 06:40.49 | CIA-22 | - Chinese Translation for toc |
| 06:41.08 | Fin | Thrae: there are multiple versions available, and there used to be one with java, and one without (big & small, basically) |
| 06:41.17 | Fin | they've standardised on one, without, now |
| 06:41.20 | sylvanaar | someone go test the installer, or gimme a link to OmniPeek |
| 06:41.57 | Thrae | Haha, Opera has torrents for a 4.0MB file. |
| 06:42.34 | Fin | yes, that's the installer |
| 06:42.49 | Fin | there is a legacy installer version, and a multilingual version, which is about 6MB I think |
| 06:43.07 | Thrae | Right. |
| 06:43.07 | Fin | but the standard setup file, what I download and use, is about 4.3MB |
| 06:43.31 | Thrae | Fin: Opera not being free on Mobile devices does decrease its coolness factor quite a bit in my opinion. |
| 06:43.33 | Fin | that's... good... though, no? |
| 06:43.58 | Fin | Thrae: you have to buy it for mobiles? huh |
| 06:44.36 | Thrae | Fin: Their page only lists trial BETA versions, which expire in October. The older versions are 30-day trials. |
| 06:45.06 | Thrae | Fin: And if we're comparing installers by the way, Firefox's is only 5.7MB. |
| 06:45.11 | CIA-22 | 03funkydude * r43824 10BigWigs/ (5 files in 2 dirs): BigWigs: update deDE thanks to farook |
| 06:45.32 | Fin | Thrae: nah I'm sorry for startin in the first place, I take it all back |
| 06:45.39 | sylvanaar | NetMos just wasnt cutting it |
| 06:45.58 | sylvanaar | s/netmos/netmon/ |
| 06:46.12 | Fin | sec syl |
| 06:46.21 | Fin | wowace.com/wau/ right? |
| 06:46.32 | Thrae | Fin: No, I believe this horse is not quite dead yet. It surely requires additional beatings. |
| 06:47.11 | sylvanaar | yea fin |
| 06:47.15 | sylvanaar | .publish |
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| 06:47.48 | Fin | Thrae: are you sure? so tired... so very tired... |
| 06:48.03 | CIA-22 | 03daviesh * r43825 10AtlasLoot/ (4 files in 4 dirs): |
| 06:48.03 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot: |
| 06:48.03 | CIA-22 | - Chinese Update |
| 06:48.26 | sylvanaar | mobile devices run IE4 |
| 06:48.29 | Thrae | http://www.wowace.com/wau/ is a convenient URI -- it not only denotes the place where you can find information on the WowAce Updater, but also a place on the wiki to cry "wau,wau,wau...WAU has ads!" |
| 06:48.58 | ZealotOnAStick | grrr. Damn near had the Ichman quest won, bit it right at the end. |
| 06:48.59 | Thrae | sylvanaar: More like IE Mobile, it's a bit different. |
| 06:49.06 | Thrae | Fin: Yes, I am looking at the website right now. |
| 06:49.50 | Jaxon | ZealotOnAStick: I find disabling the interface as well as using first person camera was quite useful. |
| 06:50.10 | sylvanaar | no, now its the IE 4 codebase |
| 06:50.20 | sylvanaar | used to be that gay PIE |
| 06:50.43 | Fin | mmm |
| 06:50.45 | Fin | muff pie |
| 06:50.49 | Fin | hey |
| 06:51.01 | sylvanaar | it has all the bugs that ie4 had |
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| 06:51.43 | sylvanaar | i find that funny |
| 06:52.04 | Fin | can you get Kaelten or whoever to add IndexOptions DescriptionWidth=* in the web server config? |
| 06:52.34 | Fin | it's tragic, is what it is |
| 06:53.35 | NightHawkTheSane | YOU'RE Tragic. |
| 06:53.42 | ZealotOnAStick | Jaxon: yeah, I've been turning off the interface. |
| 06:53.53 | sylvanaar | ok, so one of you who knows how to use a packetgrabber or protocol sniffer - can you get a transcript of your server exchange? |
| 06:53.54 | ZealotOnAStick | it's just late, I'll pick it up tomorrow. |
| 06:54.02 | Fin | ichman quest? |
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| 06:54.18 | ZealotOnAStick | yes. |
| 06:54.20 | Fin | er, sure NightHawkTheSane, whatever |
| 06:54.34 | Fin | yeah, sylvanaar |
| 06:54.41 | Fin | is it worth looking at? |
| 06:54.47 | sylvanaar | very |
| 06:57.13 | Thrae | "As your consciousness fades, you feel a pull in two directions. Taking the path of most resistance, you find yourself naked in a field holding nothing but your small dagger between your thighs. It is cold." |
| 06:57.56 | Fin | where's that from then? :) |
| 06:58.05 | Boubouille | 4chan imo. |
| 06:58.15 | NightHawkTheSane | mmmm.. cold dagger between my thigh-- er.. wait.. |
| 06:58.17 | Thrae | Fin: I'm just bored. |
| 06:58.30 | Boubouille | hey, I've got work for you Thrae if you're bored ! |
| 06:58.33 | Fin | OK, I'll play |
| 06:58.34 | Fin | > n |
| 06:58.35 | Boubouille | code something for my site ! |
| 06:59.00 | Fin | > equip |
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| 07:03.44 | Kneebracehead | are there any sites that are like ctprofiles |
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| 07:07.45 | Thrae | Boubouille: Only if I can code it in Lua. |
| 07:08.26 | Fin | sylvanaar: christ on a bike |
| 07:10.25 | sylvanaar | thraining wheels |
| 07:12.49 | Fin | a piece of my soul just crumbled away and died |
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| 07:14.15 | Fin | sylvanaar: doesn't work |
| 07:14.23 | Fin | I'll upload the log file somewhere |
| 07:14.57 | sylvanaar | yeah try to get me the full packet capture |
| 07:17.35 | Fin | do you use ngrep, syl? |
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| 07:18.25 | sylvanaar | no i use fill porgrams |
| 07:18.31 | sylvanaar | full |
| 07:18.59 | Fin | ngrep's output isn't very useful, I can install something if you have a recommendation |
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| 07:19.30 | Fin | it has a hexdump format apparently |
| 07:20.41 | Fin | oh... I changed it back earlier :( |
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| 07:32.00 | mjc | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.05 | mjc | beercraft ftw |
| 07:37.17 | renchap | when i download prat with externals it works, and i have errors when i download the noext version |
| 07:37.40 | sylvanaar | just tell me the version prat sysa |
| 07:37.42 | sylvanaar | says |
| 07:37.44 | art3mis | thats because without externals it cant fuck you ;P |
| 07:37.51 | art3mis | ~rimshot |
| 07:37.54 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 07:38.37 | renchap | Cannot find a library instance of SharedMedia-1.0 |
| 07:38.43 | renchap | thats the first error |
| 07:38.55 | renchap | but SharedMedia/SharedMediaLib is installed and uptodate |
| 07:38.55 | sylvanaar | to use no-ext you must disalbe DefaultModeWIthExternals |
| 07:39.26 | renchap | where is this setting ? |
| 07:39.39 | sylvanaar | with the rest |
| 07:39.51 | renchap | i dont use wau |
| 07:39.53 | sylvanaar | look on wiki page for screen shot |
| 07:42.14 | renchap | and all externals listed in Prat/libs/includes.xml are installed |
| 07:42.24 | sylvanaar | the version |
| 07:42.33 | sylvanaar | its +40000 |
| 07:42.34 | renchap | lastest svn |
| 07:42.35 | sylvanaar | right? |
| 07:42.39 | renchap | *latest |
| 07:42.44 | sylvanaar | + or - |
| 07:43.38 | renchap | Revision: 43249 |
| 07:43.49 | sylvanaar | no |
| 07:44.14 | sylvanaar | hover your tool tip over prat;s name |
| 07:44.24 | renchap | prat isnt loaded |
| 07:44.26 | renchap | due to errors |
| 07:44.32 | sylvanaar | In WAU |
| 07:44.41 | renchap | 09:39:51 renchap | i dont use wau |
| 07:44.53 | sylvanaar | im going to bed |
| 07:45.23 | sylvanaar | what do you use |
| 07:45.42 | renchap | wowace.py |
| 07:45.52 | renchap | + svn for some addons |
| 07:45.53 | sylvanaar | ^^ |
| 07:47.20 | sylvanaar | pastey your /dir Prat* with subdires |
| 07:49.01 | renchap | http://ace.pastey.net/70844 |
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| 07:54.03 | Fin | hmm, that wasn't me was it? |
| 07:54.20 | theoddone33 | mm die hard was good |
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| 07:54.45 | Fin | no, it wasn't, good |
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| 07:56.57 | cncfanatics | ~seen Nargiddley |
| 07:56.58 | purl | nargiddley <n=narg@203-97-236-74.cable.telstraclear.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 19h 5m 46s ago, saying: 'afaik yes'. |
| 07:57.09 | cncfanatics | oh i'm so gonna kill him ^^ |
| 07:57.18 | DesertDwarf | Can anybody summarize the difference between FuBar_PetFu, FuBar_PetInfoFu, and FuBar_PetInFu? |
| 07:57.28 | durcyn | DesertDwarf: the names. |
| 07:57.33 | durcyn | DesertDwarf: they're different. |
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| 08:01.04 | DesertDwarf | durcyn: Thanks. Not really helpful, but thanks all the same. :-) |
| 08:02.27 | theoddone33 | I really really hate that the only halaa pally gear is for ret |
| 08:02.41 | theoddone33 | that's not even a real pvp spec |
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| 08:08.48 | Thrae | !char us lightninghoof arkeus |
| 08:08.52 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Arkeus, Level 70 Dwarf Paladin (49/0/12). 8597 HP; 10638 Mana; 270 mana regen; 12042 Armour; 156 mp5; 77.7 Melee DPS; 4.09% melee crit; 43 spell crit rating; 200 +spell dmg; 1656 +heal; 4.13% dodge; 5% block; 18 resilience; +25 all resists (+10 frost); [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yut6g8 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/yrbfw4 ]] |
| 08:08.53 | cncfanatics | theoddone33, ur gonna heal people to death ? |
| 08:09.03 | theoddone33 | yeah |
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| 08:09.16 | cncfanatics | usefull |
| 08:09.20 | Thrae | Arkeus is a dangerous guy. |
| 08:09.31 | theoddone33 | pvp isn't 1v1 |
| 08:09.35 | Diao | nice mana |
| 08:09.36 | Diao | but hp.. |
| 08:09.37 | Diao | o_O |
| 08:09.43 | Thrae | Which is why Arkeus is so dangerous. |
| 08:09.46 | theoddone33 | halaa gear shouldn't be for dueling :( |
| 08:10.18 | theoddone33 | 1600 heal |
| 08:10.22 | theoddone33 | I'm so almost there |
| 08:10.29 | Thrae | Diao: Do you really need >8k w/ 270 mana regen + 156mp5 (note mana regen does not take into account the mp5) |
| 08:10.32 | theoddone33 | 620 or so |
| 08:11.17 | theoddone33 | depends on what you're doing |
| 08:11.27 | theoddone33 | doesn't it? |
| 08:11.40 | Thrae | Well, obviously you don't want to tank in that gear |
| 08:11.54 | theoddone33 | for pve it seems nice |
| 08:12.30 | theoddone33 | does that script current buffs reported by armory? |
| 08:12.32 | theoddone33 | er |
| 08:12.38 | theoddone33 | does that script *strip* current buffs |
| 08:12.46 | Thrae | theoddone33: Arenas too. No, not buffs. |
| 08:13.20 | theoddone33 | 8k is probably over 10k when buffed |
| 08:13.24 | theoddone33 | so I'm not sure it's that bad |
| 08:13.50 | Thrae | theoddone33: What |
| 08:13.50 | theoddone33 | !char us alleria wonderdung |
| 08:13.53 | ThraeBot | theoddone33: Wonderdung, Level 70 Undead Rogue (41/20/0). 8674 HP; +10 Energy; 1138 AP; 285.1 Melee DPS; 23.66% melee crit; 16.96% dodge; 109 resilience; [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/22moy7 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2uwe66 ]] |
| 08:13.59 | Thrae | theoddone33: What's your paladin? |
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| 08:14.06 | theoddone33 | !char us alleria mchottie |
| 08:14.09 | ThraeBot | theoddone33: Mchottie, Level 67 Blood Elf Paladin (41/17/0). 5409 HP; 6516 Mana; 118 mana regen; 8357 Armour; 36 mp5; 583 AP; 83 Melee DPS; 3.72% melee crit; 40 spell crit rating; 296 +spell dmg; 601 +heal; 3.64% dodge; 4.8% block; 24 resilience; [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yuclpy ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pmbux ]] |
| 08:14.14 | theoddone33 | ^^ |
| 08:14.30 | theoddone33 | that was arrows not an anime smiley |
| 08:14.41 | Thrae | It could be both! |
| 08:14.53 | theoddone33 | yeah that's why I specified ^_^ |
| 08:15.09 | Thrae | !vs us lightninghoof arkeus us alleria mchottie |
| 08:15.11 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Arkeus vs Mchottie! Arkeus has +3 lvls on Mchottie (70 vs 67); Two paladins square off!; 49/0/12 vs 41/17/0; Arkeus +3188 HP; Arkeus +0.2% block; Arkeus +0.49% dodge; Mchottie +96 SpellDmg; Arkeus +3 spell crit rating; Arkeus +25 All Resists; Mchottie +5.3 Melee DPS; Arkeus +10 frost resist; Mchottie +0.93% spell hit; Mchottie +6 resilience; Mchottie +109 AP; Arkeus +152 mana regen; Arkeus |
| 08:15.11 | ThraeBot | s +0.37% melee crit; Arkeus +4122 Mana; Arkeus +1055 Healing; Arkeus +3685 Armour; Arkeus +120 mp5; Arkeus wins by 11%! |
| 08:15.25 | theoddone33 | arkeus wins by 3 levels and 7 months |
| 08:15.32 | Thrae | Hehe |
| 08:15.55 | theoddone33 | 49/0/12 eh |
| 08:15.58 | theoddone33 | that's an interesting spec |
| 08:16.36 | theoddone33 | I figure I'll just copy sck |
| 08:16.38 | theoddone33 | can't go wrong there |
| 08:16.47 | Fisker- | Is E3 over btw? |
| 08:16.57 | theoddone33 | I believe so |
| 08:17.12 | Fisker- | haha |
| 08:17.17 | theoddone33 | I hate new e3 |
| 08:17.21 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 08:17.21 | theoddone33 | old e3 was awesome |
| 08:17.25 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 08:17.42 | theoddone33 | you'd go down there and the street was covered with free lapdance cards they had girls giving out |
| 08:17.52 | Fisker- | :O |
| 08:18.37 | Fisker- | I just remember signing up for something like IGN Inside |
| 08:18.41 | Fisker- | and leech a 10-20GB of movies |
| 08:18.45 | Fisker- | and then watch it all |
| 08:18.46 | theoddone33 | and I think I took a picture of kingsfall on the servers they had there last year |
| 08:18.56 | Fisker- | This E3 there's like nothing |
| 08:18.57 | theoddone33 | the gm or whatever guy they had there kicked me off |
| 08:19.13 | theoddone33 | because I took a t3 warrior and rounded up like 10 guys and was trying to thunderclap them to death |
| 08:19.21 | theoddone33 | and he was like "uh, I think other people want to play" |
| 08:19.40 | Fisker- | :O |
| 08:19.54 | theoddone33 | so then my friend was playing a gnome rogue with t3 and whatever gear they had there |
| 08:19.59 | theoddone33 | rogue is my main but he'd never played it |
| 08:20.08 | theoddone33 | so I was trying to walk him through ganking a druid but he just got owned |
| 08:20.28 | theoddone33 | e3 was so much fun :( |
| 08:21.29 | art3mis | this movie is awesome! |
| 08:21.42 | theoddone33 | which? |
| 08:22.09 | art3mis | bad sheep |
| 08:22.21 | art3mis | its an NZ film about bio engineered carnivorous sheep |
| 08:22.29 | theoddone33 | hm |
| 08:22.32 | theoddone33 | peter jackson? |
| 08:22.49 | art3mis | he does the effects |
| 08:22.53 | art3mis | thats about it |
| 08:23.01 | Sole | Weta Workshop did the effects |
| 08:23.05 | Thrae | ~emulate george w. bush |
| 08:23.10 | purl | You work three jobs? ...Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that. |
| 08:23.10 | Sole | not sure if jackson participated in it |
| 08:23.17 | art3mis | says he did |
| 08:23.20 | Sole | k |
| 08:23.29 | art3mis | its horrible though |
| 08:23.33 | Sole | I went to the screening of it with the actors |
| 08:23.42 | art3mis | nice |
| 08:23.44 | Sole | and they had a big Q&A session afterwards |
| 08:23.50 | art3mis | its one of those movies i cant help but watch |
| 08:23.51 | theoddone33 | oh... bad taste is the one he did |
| 08:23.59 | art3mis | yeah bad taste was hilarious |
| 08:24.01 | Sole | the movie was funny |
| 08:24.12 | Sole | I think the effects being bad makes it better |
| 08:24.52 | Sole | I wouldnt watch it again though :P |
| 08:25.00 | art3mis | heh |
| 08:28.34 | art3mis | undead was another southern hemisphere movie |
| 08:30.04 | art3mis | that was amazingly funny |
| 08:30.17 | art3mis | i just watched gang of the dead too |
| 08:30.53 | art3mis | mostly amusing movie about some gang bangers that get trapped in a warehouse during a gun buy when a meteor hits outside and makes the homeless people zombies |
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| 08:34.08 | art3mis | hrm this release of bluewhite64 seems a tad retarded |
| 08:34.21 | art3mis | in order to install it you need a linux partition already setup |
| 08:34.46 | art3mis | and its a text bassed install, i had thought we'd progressed past that |
| 08:37.49 | Fisker- | then use windows |
| 08:37.54 | Fisker- | best operating system in the world |
| 08:39.03 | Lyfe | that's your opinion. |
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| 08:40.56 | Lyfe | Anyone here use BigWigs, and get an error "Message: ..\AddOns\BigWigs\Plugins\BossBlock.lua line 152: |
| 08:40.59 | Lyfe | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.32 | Fisker- | damn |
| 08:43.39 | Fisker- | fallout 3 seems to be nice |
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| 08:53.56 | vithos | could not right click to turn because i went in combat while fishing |
| 08:54.39 | yoshimo | wau1 informed me about a new version, i downloaded and unpacked WowAceUpdater-1.9.42-bin.zip and still have 1.9.29 and an update-popup |
| 08:56.05 | Fisker- | use the netinstallar |
| 08:57.02 | yoshimo | that one only throws errors |
| 08:58.04 | Fisker- | worked fine here :( |
| 08:58.17 | Fisker- | but i don't know what DRUGS sylvanaar has been on |
| 08:59.43 | yoshimo | first i get several messages from my firewall then a wowaceupdater.application is downloaded and if i open that a window says that the aplication cannot be downloaded |
| 09:00.11 | yoshimo | unpacking an archive was easier :) |
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| 09:29.41 | art3mis | yeah im not all that sure why they're bothering with a net installer |
| 09:29.50 | art3mis | unless its for learning purposes then its fine ;) |
| 09:31.28 | NM|Xinhuan|Guru | is it possible to define a virtual frame template in pure LUA? or do i have to use a XML file? |
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| 09:35.35 | cncfanatics | ~seen Nargiddley |
| 09:35.45 | purl | nargiddley <n=narg@203-97-236-74.cable.telstraclear.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 20h 44m 33s ago, saying: 'afaik yes'. |
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| 09:36.31 | Dhraga | Have KCItems stopped supporting vendor prices on items ? |
| 09:38.16 | CIA-22 | 03nevcairiel * r43826 10BigWigs/Plugins/BossBlock.lua: BigWigs: typo fix |
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| 09:41.56 | pb_ee1 | nevcairiel: I'm looking at the code of Bartender3 to see where is the function that would let the user to customize the behavior of the bar swappin with the mouse wheel, but I couldn't find anythin (code too large! :P). Do you have any clue? |
| 09:42.19 | pb_ee1 | nevcairiel: note that I won't change anything on the SVN before talking about it with you ;-) |
| 09:42.53 | nevcairiel | its in BarStates.lua |
| 09:43.16 | nevcairiel | line 337-342 |
| 09:43.17 | pb_ee1 | thanks ;p |
| 09:44.06 | pb_ee1 | I'm going to look at this thanks very much |
| 09:44.38 | nevcairiel | its really easy to add a option to limit the range |
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| 09:44.41 | nevcairiel | i might even do it .P |
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| 09:46.24 | pb_ee1 | Kaelten: I've got an exception when trying to use the netinstaller :( |
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| 09:48.04 | yoshimo | you're not alone ;) |
| 09:48.51 | pb_ee1 | Kaelten: when launching the latest release of wowaceupdater, it's written 1.9.29 in the title bar instead of 1.9.42 :P |
| 09:49.03 | art3mis | hah |
| 09:49.06 | pb_ee1 | yoshimo: Aha thanks for the info ;p |
| 09:49.08 | art3mis | that would be the funniest bug ever |
| 09:49.49 | art3mis | -- Forgot to update version of release in Window header and other places in the code. |
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| 09:50.06 | pb_ee1 | well it could also be an erroneous zip ;) |
| 09:50.34 | yoshimo | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.48 | CIA-22 | 03cwdg * r43827 10Capping/Capping.toc: |
| 09:50.48 | CIA-22 | Capping |
| 09:50.48 | CIA-22 | - fix .toc. now zhCN is working. |
| 09:55.25 | Mikk | pb_ee1: erm... that's sylvanaar's WAU, not kaeltens |
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| 09:56.14 | Lywellyn | Has anyone else gotten WAU 1.9.42 installed? |
| 09:56.18 | pb_ee1 | d'oh, why did I think it was Kaelten's |
| 09:56.23 | pb_ee1 | Lywellyn: i do |
| 09:56.44 | Lywellyn | the archive I have that's labelled as 1.9.42 has 1.9.29 inside of it o_O |
| 09:56.46 | pb_ee1 | sylvanaar : when launching the latest release of wowaceupdater, it's written 1.9.29 in the title bar instead of 1.9.42 :P |
| 09:57.10 | Lywellyn | it also asks if you want to download the update, too. |
| 09:59.39 | art3mis | mikk: those were all used for internal as fully working without anybugs but the wowace community didnt deserve 1.9.31337 ;) |
| 10:00.21 | art3mis | that was thier internal name btw since yes im aware that 42 is well before 31,337 ;P |
| 10:05.57 | CIA-22 | 03cwdg * r43828 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua: |
| 10:05.57 | CIA-22 | Babble-2.2: |
| 10:05.57 | CIA-22 | -update zhCN local. |
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| 10:07.16 | pb_ee1 | nevcairiel: I found which code to change, but it's not exactly what I wanted. actually, if I change the statdriver and I only put from bar 2 to bar 3, it will still cycle between the 6 bars, displaying nothing for the bars that were not "statdrivered". What I would like is to limit the cycling between bar 1 and 2. |
| 10:07.20 | CIA-22 | 03cwdg * r43829 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Faction-2.2/Babble-Faction-2.2.lua: |
| 10:07.20 | CIA-22 | Babble-2.2: |
| 10:07.20 | CIA-22 | -update zhCN local for faction |
| 10:14.39 | art3mis | christ i should be in bed |
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| 10:16.29 | nevcairiel | pb_ee1: i dont think you can do that actually, now that i think about it =P |
| 10:17.06 | pb_ee1 | nevcairiel: argh, you mean the number of the bar that is given to BT3 is hard-coded in Blizzard's UI and thus that you cannot chang it? |
| 10:17.43 | nevcairiel | its the [actionbar] macro syntax thing, it always has 1-6 .. i dont think you can limit that this easily |
| 10:17.54 | nevcairiel | except with tainting the UI :P |
| 10:18.08 | pb_ee1 | the remaining question is: then why does it work with the normal UI (without BT3?) :p |
| 10:18.23 | nevcairiel | because the normal UI doesnt taint itself :P |
| 10:18.49 | pb_ee1 | obviously.... ;p |
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| 10:19.09 | pb_ee1 | I tried to limit the [actionbar:i]i to only 2 and 3 (or whatever) but it does not work |
| 10:20.27 | pb_ee1 | isn't it possible to add a check on the number given by the UI and override it if it is not a value that we expect? |
| 10:20.33 | nevcairiel | no |
| 10:21.07 | pb_ee1 | argh, i'm not very used to these functions so i don't really see how it works |
| 10:21.33 | pb_ee1 | well, if there is no way, then... there is no way ;)) |
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| 10:23.55 | pb_ee1 | btw, thanks for your patience! |
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| 10:36.38 | Thelyna | interesting ... I disabled a few other mods and now Loggerhead is gritching it can't find a loaded library instance of Tourist-2.0? |
| 10:36.56 | sbu | then you dont have tourist-2.0? :p |
| 10:36.57 | Thelyna | shouldn't Loggerhead be distributed with the libraries it needs to function |
| 10:37.12 | Thelyna | well I know I don't have it as a seperate addon |
| 10:37.38 | Thelyna | so something (that's loaded before Loggerhead) had Tourist-2.0 as a library, and Loggerhead was relying on that? |
| 10:37.39 | sbu | when running embedded - yes - you should have tourist in your loggerhead libs dir |
| 10:37.52 | Silviu- | Thelyna true |
| 10:37.54 | sbu | hmm - yes |
| 10:38.12 | Silviu- | Thelyna maybe u downloaded Loggerhead without externals ? |
| 10:38.25 | Thelyna | that's entirely possible |
| 10:38.36 | Thelyna | especially since there's no libs in my Loggerhead directory |
| 10:38.48 | Thelyna | anyone got a dunce cap? |
| 10:39.00 | Silviu- | Thelyna u download with Wau or svn |
| 10:39.00 | Mikk | loggerhead doesn't have any externals defined whatsoever. bad author. |
| 10:39.20 | Mikk | Thelyna: not your fault |
| 10:39.23 | Silviu- | Hmm true |
| 10:39.31 | Silviu- | Now i checked toc |
| 10:39.45 | sbu | you could switch to standalone libs ;p |
| 10:39.51 | Silviu- | Thelyna u can get http://files.wowace.com/TouristLib/TouristLib-r41191.1005.zip |
| 10:39.52 | Mikk | or just fix loggerhead >.< |
| 10:40.00 | sbu | Mikk: right :p |
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| 10:40.24 | Thelyna | so is there any easy way to figure out what externals it needs? |
| 10:40.32 | Mikk | no =( |
| 10:40.36 | Mikk | only the author knows |
| 10:40.38 | Thelyna | other than disabling all other addons and just adding libs as it bitches about them? |
| 10:40.41 | sbu | well |
| 10:40.56 | Mikk | Thelyna: that's about the way to do it yes |
| 10:41.13 | Mikk | though tbqph you should be running disembedded to begin with. it's MUCH faster. |
| 10:41.14 | Thelyna | ## OptionalDeps: Ace2, TouristLib |
| 10:41.16 | charon | Thelyna: grep for AceLibrary( in its luas |
| 10:41.18 | sbu | Tourist-2.0, Tablet-2.0, AceAddon-2.0, AceConsole-2.0, AceDB-2.0, AceEvent-2.0, FuBarPlugin-2.0, AceLocale-2.2 |
| 10:41.21 | sbu | would be a good start |
| 10:41.41 | Mikk | yeah true grepping for acelibrary calls is a good start :> |
| 10:41.45 | sbu | :p |
| 10:41.58 | Thelyna | seems like those optdeps should be required deps |
| 10:42.11 | Mikk | mmm no, if they were required deps, it couldn't work embedded |
| 10:42.19 | Mikk | since it'd require those libs to be present as separate addons |
| 10:42.29 | Silviu- | Thelyna opt deps is for when u run dismbed |
| 10:42.32 | Thelyna | yeah |
| 10:42.52 | Mikk | but either way, you don't need to optdep any other ace library other than ace2 |
| 10:42.53 | Silviu- | disembedded* |
| 10:42.55 | Thelyna | sorry, brain is fragged from writing software quality assurance reports |
| 10:43.02 | Mikk | aaaaaaahahahahaha |
| 10:43.03 | Mikk | that's so much fun |
| 10:43.08 | Mikk | my condoleances |
| 10:43.42 | Mikk | and then you hafta come here and debug bad addons. fun :P |
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| 10:45.16 | CIA-22 | 03beerke * r43830 10KingOfTheJungle/ (FrameLib-1.0.lua KingOfTheJungle.lua): |
| 10:45.16 | CIA-22 | KingOfTheJungle : |
| 10:45.16 | CIA-22 | - Fixed texture issue |
| 10:45.39 | Thelyna | correction: now I disable bad addons and get to my daily dose of primal fire farming |
| 10:45.41 | Thelyna | bleh. |
| 10:48.43 | Silviu- | Pfiu http://ace.pastey.net/70846 hard to write so much :) |
| 10:49.09 | sbu | hm |
| 10:49.14 | sbu | whats that? |
| 10:49.18 | Silviu- | My update script ? |
| 10:49.19 | Silviu- | ;) |
| 10:49.36 | sbu | mh |
| 10:49.42 | Silviu- | Also deletes my embeds/modules.xml |
| 10:49.46 | sbu | <3 wau :p |
| 10:49.58 | Silviu- | :) |
| 10:50.10 | Silviu- | I`ll stick with Svn :) |
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| 10:59.17 | cncfanatics | ~seen Nargiddley |
| 10:59.45 | purl | nargiddley <n=narg@203-97-236-74.cable.telstraclear.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 22h 8m 33s ago, saying: 'afaik yes'. |
| 10:59.45 | cncfanatics | purl is slow today -.- |
| 10:59.49 | Mikk | sigh.. i'm trying to help these guys come up with a guild name and I'm throwing such gems as <Dysnomia> and <Bad imagination> at them and they're not biting :P |
| 11:00.13 | Mikk | not even <Mushroom Vendor> :-( |
| 11:00.34 | Litvan | Sdrater |
| 11:00.37 | Litvan | try that one ^^ |
| 11:00.46 | Mikk | rofl |
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| 11:03.05 | charon | <Free as in Bear> |
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| 11:03.05 | Dotted | <We couldn't find a decent guild name> |
| 11:03.08 | charon | only works if you're druids though |
| 11:04.10 | Litvan | there's actually a quite funny guild name on my server... |
| 11:04.18 | Litvan | "Tauren stole my bike" |
| 11:04.39 | Litvan | was created due to a dead tauren lying on the ah bridge in IF named "Istealbikes" |
| 11:04.45 | Mikk | haha |
| 11:05.15 | Dotted | and probably inspired by the ytmnd ***** stoly my bike aswell :P |
| 11:05.17 | CIA-22 | 03nemes * r43831 10AceBuffGroups/ (AceBuffGroups.toc embeds.xml): AceBuffGroups: Add file embeds.xml and add X-Embeds, OptionalDeps to AceBuffGroups.toc, to allow proper use of external libraries. |
| 11:05.37 | Mikk | Nemes_: you only need Ace2 as optionaldep |
| 11:06.00 | Mikk | AceLibrary handles loading of everything else |
| 11:06.02 | Nemes_ | mrmm true there Mikk |
| 11:06.16 | Mikk | Well.. ace libs anyway... Non-ace libs need to be optdepped still |
| 11:07.30 | Nemes_ | hang on... so Ace2 is the only OptionalDep that I need to put in? it will load Babble and (ugh) Metrognome for me? |
| 11:07.38 | Mikk | metrognome? |
| 11:07.40 | Mikk | toss it out |
| 11:07.41 | Mikk | use aceevent |
| 11:08.04 | Nemes_ | lol not my addon - I'm just changing it to use embeds, 'cause people have been complaining |
| 11:08.10 | Mikk | ahh |
| 11:08.13 | Nemes_ | I don't want to touch it... |
| 11:08.57 | Nemes_ | so anyway.... this is the "correct way" of doing it ## OptionalDeps: Ace2 |
| 11:08.58 | Nemes_ | ## X-Embeds: Ace2, Babble-2.2, Metrognome |
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| 11:11.21 | CIA-22 | 03nemes * r43832 10AceBuffGroups/AceBuffGroups.toc: AceBuffGroups: Ace2 is now only entry in OptionalDeps |
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| 11:15.52 | Shir | Is anyone here using Grid and knows a way to set the direction of growth of the frame? |
| 11:16.28 | Mikk | Nemes_: ya |
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| 11:16.44 | CIA-22 | 03nemes * r43833 10AceBuffGroups/AceBuffGroups.toc: AceBuffGroups: TOC bump to 20100 |
| 11:17.28 | Nemes_ | cheers Mikk |
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| 11:22.11 | Mikk | sigh, i keep giving them good names, and what charter do they create? |
| 11:22.15 | Mikk | <Warriors of Azeroth> |
| 11:22.34 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 11:22.35 | Mikk | "Hello, i r nub" |
| 11:22.41 | Silviu- | We have one guild the same on our server |
| 11:22.50 | nevcairiel | i think every server has a guild like that |
| 11:22.51 | Silviu- | And Defenders of Azeroth |
| 11:23.30 | Pucmel | pie of azeroth |
| 11:23.42 | Mikk | Knights of <poo>, Warriors of <poo>, Crusaders of <poo>, <poo> Pirates, <poo> Bandits |
| 11:23.43 | Diao | or |
| 11:23.49 | charon | Exercise 1. Determine all possible values of X and Y in the expression <X of Y>. |
| 11:23.50 | Diao | <something> of <realm> |
| 11:24.01 | nevcairiel | we dont have any of Realm |
| 11:24.02 | nevcairiel | i think |
| 11:24.05 | Diao | really |
| 11:24.08 | Diao | or <realm> something |
| 11:24.25 | Diao | every server i've been on |
| 11:24.26 | Mikk | cause... well... bad imagination is a dual-meaning kinda thing |
| 11:24.31 | Diao | has had at least one guild with the realmname in it |
| 11:24.34 | Mikk | plus it gets a story you can tell people :> |
| 11:24.52 | Shir | <Prefection> seems better =D |
| 11:25.23 | Mikk | Just seems so damn presumptive to have a name like that for a guild of 20somethings |
| 11:25.37 | Mikk | Ohyeah, "Kings of <foo>" also popular |
| 11:25.54 | Mikk | Damnit, they won't even bite on <We Kill Kittens> |
| 11:26.06 | Shir | can you call yourself: _,_ ? :) |
| 11:26.15 | Mikk | hehe |
| 11:26.18 | Shir | Shir <_,_> .. mmmm |
| 11:26.24 | Mikk | _x_ |
| 11:26.43 | Mikk | <_x_> |
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| 11:26.57 | Mikk | AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA |
| 11:27.02 | Mikk | He picked a new name |
| 11:27.06 | Mikk | <Turalyon Dragons> |
| 11:27.10 | Mikk | (guess which realm this is) |
| 11:27.34 | nevcairiel | Turalyon? |
| 11:27.37 | Silviu- | Turalyon ? ;) |
| 11:27.38 | Mikk | no, rly? =) |
| 11:27.44 | charon | i think Ceradyn's guild was <Force of Will> ... Will being, of course, the guild leader |
| 11:28.04 | charon | (mine is now <Angels of Apocalypse>, mascot angel being a spirit of redemption... good sign?) |
| 11:28.04 | Mikk | hehe |
| 11:29.03 | nevcairiel | Angels of Apocalypse .. we have a guild on our server like that |
| 11:29.06 | nevcairiel | and for some reason, they hate my guild |
| 11:29.18 | CIA-22 | 03nemes * r43834 10NShakedown/NShakedown.toc: NShakedown: Ace2 is now only entry in OptionalDeps |
| 11:29.31 | charon | nevcairiel: you wouldn't happen to play on antonidas ;) |
| 11:29.55 | nevcairiel | i do :P |
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| 11:30.49 | charon | a-ha. so i could now start guessing through the names of higher-than-AoA-end guilds. say, <Fusion>. |
| 11:30.57 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 11:31.14 | nevcairiel | !char eu antonidas Nevcairiel |
| 11:31.17 | ThraeBot | nevcairiel: Nevcairiel, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (1/0/60). 9114 HP; 9875 Mana; 401 mana regen; 179 mp5; 60.6 Melee DPS; 5.28% melee crit; 40 +spell dmg; 1698 +heal; 6.47% dodge; 31 resilience; +33 all resists (+10 nature); [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2g5z89 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3bf8d8 ]] |
| 11:31.28 | nevcairiel | oh doesnt say guild |
| 11:31.41 | charon | hehe |
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| 11:32.38 | charon | aha, VU. that feud might be older than when i joined AoA back in MC |
| 11:32.47 | charon | (the raid, not the guild) |
| 11:33.32 | nevcairiel | VU was basicly founded from a lot of members from AoA, and the ones who where left behind hated us =P |
| 11:33.37 | charon | send greetings to davén next time you see him |
| 11:34.30 | charon | grats for the gear you have btw |
| 11:35.31 | nevcairiel | i live for perfection :D |
| 11:36.20 | charon | :-\ |
| 11:36.36 | charon | so would i, except so far it hasn't really worked out if 24 others were involved |
| 11:36.40 | charon | !char eu antonidas anmoch |
| 11:36.43 | ThraeBot | charon: Anmoch, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (1/46/14). 10384 HP; 6395 Mana; 119 mana regen; 6840 Armour; 116.5 Melee DPS; 16.79% melee crit; 158 defense; 31.16% dodge; +25 all resists (+10 nature); [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ytz87r ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/35wqf9 ]] |
| 11:37.10 | Punkie` | kEnergy taken off the svn? o.O |
| 11:37.13 | nevcairiel | most of my gear is still heroics/karazhan |
| 11:37.28 | nevcairiel | except the T5 parts =P |
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| 11:43.18 | CIA-22 | 03daviesh * r43835 10AtlasLoot/ (4 files in 4 dirs): |
| 11:43.18 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot: |
| 11:43.18 | CIA-22 | - French update, typo correction |
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| 11:51.38 | trh | Punkie`: "Kill a few old things that are now maintained elsewhere." was the svn commit which deleted lootalert and kenergy |
| 11:56.14 | Punkie` | ah well, it still works for me so I'll just keep this version I guess |
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| 12:00.57 | NM|Xinhuan|Guru | is it possible to define a virtual frame template in pure LUA? or do i have to use a XML file? |
| 12:02.23 | Mikk | NM|Xinhuan|Guru: Totally possible. Just create the frame like normal, but don't show it. |
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| 12:02.34 | NM|Xinhuan|Guru | and just inherit from it? |
| 12:02.37 | Mikk | yep |
| 12:02.43 | NM|Xinhuan|Guru | ah thanks |
| 12:02.54 | Mikk | the only thing that "virtual=true" does in XML is keep the script handlers from being executed |
| 12:03.10 | NM|Xinhuan|Guru | i see - and that isn't a problem for frames created from LUA |
| 12:03.17 | Mikk | yep |
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| 12:12.50 | Fisker- | oh lawd |
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| 12:16.08 | CIA-22 | 03mikk * r43836 10CandyBar/CandyBar-2.0/CandyBar-2.0.lua: CandyBar: getArgs/setArgs will now handle nil arguments gracefully. See http://www.wowwiki.com/getArgs |
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| 12:24.58 | CIA-22 | 03bayi * r43838 10beql/ (tooltip.lua tracker.lua): |
| 12:24.58 | CIA-22 | beql: |
| 12:24.58 | CIA-22 | - Fixed tooltip hiding if mouse not over questwatch frame |
| 12:24.58 | CIA-22 | - Fixed mob/item tooltip display |
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| 12:31.22 | cncfanatics | ~seen Nargiddley |
| 12:31.51 | purl | nargiddley <n=narg@203-97-236-74.cable.telstraclear.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 23h 40m 39s ago, saying: 'afaik yes'. |
| 12:32.49 | yacoob | hm |
| 12:33.12 | yacoob | is there anything for totems in ace world? |
| 12:33.26 | Parnic | "gotwood" and "yata" |
| 12:33.29 | yacoob | I find my bars getting clobbered with various totems, and it's only lvl 10 I've played to :D |
| 12:33.44 | BankZ | I wish there was a good hot/dot timer |
| 12:33.53 | BankZ | seems like they are all lacking |
| 12:33.58 | yacoob | (and I'm rather refering to some method for activating them, chronometer's timer is fine) |
| 12:34.39 | Nemes_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.59 | Nemes_ | I'm lucky that I only have to track renews... so HotCandy does it for me |
| 12:35.03 | Parnic | yacoob: http://www-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/5222/ |
| 12:35.08 | Parnic | seems the wowace wiki page for it is still down |
| 12:35.12 | BankZ | Ive been using HotMan |
| 12:35.30 | BankZ | HotCandy doesnt do Dots does it? |
| 12:35.44 | Nemes_ | HotCandy does.... Renew and Druid HOTs... that's it |
| 12:35.49 | Parnic | i prefer nECB (non-ace mod) for tracking all casts/hots/dots |
| 12:35.56 | nevcairiel | all HoTs :p |
| 12:36.16 | Nemes_ | ah... you wrote HotCandy, didn't you nev? |
| 12:36.17 | BankZ | I could never get nECB to track just my hots and dots |
| 12:36.21 | nevcairiel | i did |
| 12:36.30 | Nemes_ | simple = awesome |
| 12:36.40 | Parnic | ahh bankz, i never tried to just track my own. i like it tracking everything :) |
| 12:36.41 | nevcairiel | thats the idea behind it |
| 12:36.43 | nevcairiel | no funky stuff |
| 12:36.46 | nevcairiel | just HoTs |
| 12:37.03 | BankZ | I just want all of my hots and my dots that are running |
| 12:37.14 | BankZ | and to be able to configure how the bar looks |
| 12:37.20 | Nemes_ | some people like DoTimer, but others find it way too complicated and finicky |
| 12:37.59 | BankZ | Does it track hots? |
| 12:38.17 | Nemes_ | it does, but not as nicely as HotCandy, hence my going back to DoTimer |
| 12:38.25 | Nemes_ | *from DoTimer to HotCandy |
| 12:38.49 | BankZ | ahh |
| 12:39.24 | BankZ | The best I have found are HotMan and Chronometer |
| 12:40.02 | phyber | I like* how Tuller made Ludwig suck in this latest version. |
| 12:40.11 | phyber | A) looks like Blizzards frames now, B) can't move. \o/ |
| 12:40.20 | nevcairiel | a doesnt hurt me |
| 12:40.23 | nevcairiel | B sucks |
| 12:40.49 | phyber | yeah, the looking like blizzard thing isn't an issue, but now it's forced to go to where the tradeskills, etc open. |
| 12:41.20 | Mikk | I'm not liking how Chronometer can't be configured to ignore stuff :S |
| 12:41.38 | BankZ | yeah |
| 12:41.44 | BankZ | no good options |
| 12:41.47 | nevcairiel | oh he meda a UIPanel out of it? |
| 12:41.50 | nevcairiel | *made |
| 12:41.58 | vithos | i used to use chronometer. now i can't decide what to use :( |
| 12:41.59 | BankZ | ClassTimers would be good but it only shows for target |
| 12:42.16 | vithos | isn't classtimers the one with the "sticky" option? |
| 12:42.24 | BankZ | and if you are click casting its worthless |
| 12:42.37 | Nemes_ | yes I can't understand ClassTimers... it makes little sense as a HOT/DOT tracker if it doesn't display HOTs/DOTs not on your current target |
| 12:42.41 | vithos | i think the only reason i'm not using that is it doesn't track traps (totems) |
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| 12:43.34 | BankZ | ClassTimer would be great if it tracked everything |
| 12:44.11 | vithos | ClassTimer actually can track stuff not on your target/focus/self |
| 12:44.16 | BankZ | As a druid, a good hot/dot timer is needed |
| 12:44.21 | vithos | i believe it's as simple as adding the spell to the Sticky list |
| 12:44.31 | BankZ | really? |
| 12:44.39 | BankZ | I thought I tried that |
| 12:44.42 | Mikk | BankZ: As a druid, what you want is showing your hots next to people in your party tbh |
| 12:44.44 | Nemes_ | aha.... looks like I didn't dig deeply enough into classtimer... I'll swap from HotCandy to that if I ever go shadow |
| 12:44.46 | Mikk | s/party/raid/ |
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| 12:45.00 | vithos | i could be wrong, i only used it for a short time until i read that the author won't implement timers for non-spellcast stuff like trap effect duration |
| 12:45.10 | vithos | er, non buff/debuff i mean. |
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| 12:45.21 | nevcairiel | i dont really need a hot timer anymore |
| 12:45.33 | nevcairiel | after playing a resto druid 2 years in raids, you get a feeling for that |
| 12:45.50 | vithos | or i don't know what i'm saying really.. let me reinstall it and see if i can get Sticky to do what you're describing |
| 12:45.54 | BankZ | next to people in your raid ? |
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| 12:45.59 | Mikk | the only thing i want really is a timer for lifebloom haxing |
| 12:46.05 | BankZ | I wanta see all of my hots running |
| 12:46.06 | Mikk | cause it sucks ass if you recast half a second too late :S |
| 12:46.34 | BankZ | lifebloom and swiftmend |
| 12:46.48 | nevcairiel | its not too bad mikk, at least you get that free 1500 heal :P |
| 12:47.22 | Mikk | yeah but at the cost of 800 mana or so :S |
| 12:47.31 | BankZ | that doesnt give you credit on healmeters, lol |
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| 12:48.03 | Mikk | BankZ: do you REALLY want to see all your hots running in a DIFFERENT window tho? |
| 12:48.20 | BankZ | yeah, why not? |
| 12:48.20 | Mikk | isn't it a pain in the ass to know that you have to swiftmend the tank, and have to jump with your eyes to a second window and go scannign for the tank's name? |
| 12:48.38 | BankZ | just ordered in order of time to end |
| 12:48.41 | Mikk | wouldn't it be better if you just had an icon next to the tank's frame with hots in it? |
| 12:49.05 | BankZ | I got icons with pitbull |
| 12:49.06 | Mikk | (YOUR hots, that is?) |
| 12:49.10 | BankZ | which is nice |
| 12:49.36 | BankZ | yeah, I wish pitbull would hide hots that are not mine |
| 12:49.37 | Nemes_ | I added an option to pitbull to highlight the HOTs that you cast differently to other HOTs |
| 12:49.46 | BankZ | you did? |
| 12:49.47 | Nemes_ | that was about 2 weeks ago |
| 12:50.03 | BankZ | hmmm, nice, need to go look for that option |
| 12:50.04 | Mikk | what do you need an ordered list for tho? |
| 12:50.13 | Mikk | do you keep recasting rejuv on a bunch of people or something? |
| 12:50.15 | Nemes_ | enable buff hightlighting and you can set the colours |
| 12:50.31 | Mikk | (baibai mana?) |
| 12:50.37 | BankZ | mainly for swiftmend and lifebloom |
| 12:50.58 | BankZ | Cuz I wanta swiftment close to the end |
| 12:51.03 | BankZ | *mend |
| 12:52.04 | Mikk | yaknow |
| 12:52.12 | Mikk | female taurens with wolf masks actually look kinda evil |
| 12:52.25 | Mikk | a bit Predator-y |
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| 12:54.55 | vithos | ah, now i remember what i didn't like about classtimers. sticky only works after you target the unit. |
| 12:54.57 | BankZ | Pitbull by far is the best UF out |
| 12:55.03 | BankZ | I just love that thing |
| 12:56.30 | CIA-22 | 03nemes * r43839 10NShakedown/ (Addons/MendWatch.lua NShakedown.toc): NShakedown: add MendWatch support |
| 12:57.50 | BankZ | Who would be the best person to talk to about the Effective Healing mod of violation? |
| 12:57.55 | BankZ | I wished it worked |
| 12:58.33 | Nemes_ | err the addon author? |
| 12:59.38 | BankZ | never seen PProvost on |
| 12:59.51 | Nemes_ | send him a mail |
| 13:00.19 | BankZ | Where do I find his email address? |
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| 13:00.50 | Nemes_ | click on his name on the wiki page of the addon |
| 13:01.19 | Nemes_ | ah crap... that disappeared during the disaster |
| 13:02.16 | Nemes_ | find an ace forum post of his and click on his name there - email should be shown |
| 13:02.31 | Nemes_ | or click on the mail icon under his name |
| 13:09.22 | CIA-22 | 03bayi * r43840 10beql/questlog.lua: |
| 13:09.22 | CIA-22 | beql: |
| 13:09.22 | CIA-22 | - Fixed ghost Description frame showing on scrolling quest frame |
| 13:09.22 | CIA-22 | - Fixed auto maximize if Collapse all button clicked |
| 13:09.22 | CIA-22 | - Quest links no more cuts the quests title |
| 13:10.50 | Mikk | ~seen pprovost |
| 13:10.58 | purl | pprovost <i=PProvost@WoWUIDev/WAU/Admin/Pprovost> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 2d 16h 28m 3s ago, saying: 'Is there a post or something explaining the current state of affairs between Threat/Omen and KTM? I seem to recall the KTM guy playing around with blocking Threat. Where did that go?'. |
| 13:11.28 | CIA-22 | 03nemes * r43841 10NShakedown/ (Addons/Proximo.lua NShakedown.toc): NShakedown: add Proximo support |
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| 13:19.37 | Fisker- | http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=16498 <- haha that was funny |
| 13:19.59 | Fisker- | PS3 is sold out, they said so themselves, so obviously there's not any 60GB models left |
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| 13:21.54 | CIA-22 | 03nemes * r43842 10NShakedown/ (Addons/InFlight.lua NShakedown.toc): NShakedown: add InFlight support |
| 13:22.08 | BankZ | Where is the option in Pitbull to make your hots look different? |
| 13:22.27 | Nemes_ | did you enable buff highlighting on the raid, BankZ? |
| 13:22.54 | BankZ | think so, let me look again |
| 13:22.58 | Nemes_ | 'cause if you did, you will see it all happening there, and you can customise the colours around there |
| 13:23.51 | BankZ | hmmm, it seems like thats on already |
| 13:23.56 | BankZ | never noticed |
| 13:24.04 | BankZ | maybe my icon is too small |
| 13:24.10 | Nemes_ | change the colours to be more eyecatching then |
| 13:24.19 | Nemes_ | I have mine set to white (mine) and green (other) |
| 13:24.57 | BankZ | kk, ill mess around with it in tonights raid |
| 13:25.01 | BankZ | very nice feature |
| 13:25.30 | Nemes_ | you will never see that on the player frame or your own raid/target/party frame, as there is no way to differentiate between selfcast buffs on you and buffs cast by others |
| 13:25.31 | Wobin | hm, just did my first kara =P |
| 13:25.40 | Wobin | well half of my first kara =P |
| 13:27.41 | lolinternet | uhm |
| 13:27.58 | sag_ich_nicht | could someone please tell me if the US client still has the randomize name button? |
| 13:28.29 | sag_ich_nicht | (at character creation) |
| 13:28.55 | Nemes_ | yup |
| 13:29.26 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it |
| 13:29.32 | sag_ich_nicht | enGB client doesn't have it |
| 13:29.34 | sag_ich_nicht | so stupid |
| 13:29.54 | Nemes_ | where's the problem? |
| 13:30.17 | Nemes_ | I think the real problem is that Aussies have to use the enUS client not, the enGB client |
| 13:30.25 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 13:30.37 | Nemes_ | what the hell is a "Color" anyway? |
| 13:38.18 | Wobin | god knows =\ |
| 13:38.22 | Wobin | and armor |
| 13:38.29 | Neebler | liqor |
| 13:38.30 | Wobin | maybe it's supposed to mean love |
| 13:38.39 | Wobin | Neebler: That just looks stupid |
| 13:38.54 | Nemes_ | looks like the name of a band |
| 13:39.05 | Wobin | liqor? I 'ardly know 'er! |
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| 13:46.06 | phyber | so, have any of you been to BWL recently? |
| 13:46.14 | phyber | we're there now for fun and Razorgore is bugged. |
| 13:46.21 | phyber | after you kill him the mobs keep spawning in the corners. |
| 13:47.13 | kebinusan | heh sounds fun |
| 13:47.30 | Nemes_ | they never really got that encounter working correctly in all the time it was current... |
| 13:48.09 | raider|poul | Shock Barrier fades from Kael'thas Sunstrider - what event is most licky to be the one i am looking for :P |
| 13:55.04 | Mikk | run Transciber |
| 13:55.11 | raider|poul | := |
| 13:55.12 | raider|poul | well |
| 13:55.12 | Mikk | or whatever the name is... i'll check |
| 13:55.20 | raider|poul | maybe someone remembered it here :P |
| 13:55.32 | Mikk | Transcriptor |
| 13:55.33 | raider|poul | know what addon you talking about np |
| 13:55.33 | CIA-22 | 03nemes * r43843 10NShakedown/ (Addons/CooldownTimers2.lua NShakedown.toc): NShakedown: add CooldownTimers2 support |
| 13:56.06 | Mikk | well... we can GUESS which event it is... but without verification that's all it'd be |
| 13:57.28 | raider|poul | was just a guess i was looking for :) |
| 13:57.54 | raider|poul | so long since i been over those events so forgot it, normal remember most of them without having to look it up :( |
| 13:59.48 | cncfanatics | ~seen Nargiddley |
| 13:59.50 | purl | nargiddley <n=narg@203-97-236-74.cable.telstraclear.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 2d 1h 8m 38s ago, saying: 'afaik yes'. |
| 13:59.58 | cncfanatics | ~kill Nargiddley |
| 14:00.01 | purl | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized pseudopositrino gun at Nargiddley |
| 14:00.01 | cncfanatics | argh |
| 14:01.38 | charon | raider|poul: try, perhaps, http://www.wowwiki.com/UNIT_AURA -- disclaimer, i have no clue whatsoever except that i know buffs are called auras |
| 14:03.39 | raider|poul | maybe |
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| 14:23.35 | sbu | mhh - wtb shadowpriest for ssc/eye raid :/ |
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| 14:23.52 | dodgizzla | sbu: Server? :> |
| 14:24.01 | sbu | khaz'goroth - horde :o |
| 14:24.09 | dodgizzla | Hm, nono :> |
| 14:24.14 | sbu | mah :p |
| 14:24.16 | Nemes_ | that's the place that meddle came from, right? |
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| 14:29.12 | sag_ich_nicht | is there an addon for keeping the same friendlist across all characters? |
| 14:30.45 | Chompers | BetterFriends does that |
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| 14:43.14 | dylanm | sag_ich_nicht: Friendswithbenefits? |
| 14:47.12 | phreakzter | any1 know if Wau2 beta is supposed to work on Linux? |
| 14:49.11 | Mikk | i know it's INTENDED to work on linux. dunno if they've made sure it will yet tho. |
| 14:49.23 | Mikk | (it being java and all the intention is for it to work "everywhere") |
| 14:50.09 | phreakzter | hehe ok |
| 14:50.20 | phreakzter | I could only get it to show the first splash screen then nothing :) |
| 14:51.43 | CIA-22 | 03phyber * r43846 10FuBar_TopScoreFu/TopScoreFuLocals.lua: |
| 14:51.43 | CIA-22 | FuBar_TopScoreFu: |
| 14:51.43 | CIA-22 | - Added 'Eye of Shartuul', 'Dreadmaw', and 'Shartuul' to the Vulnerable Mobs list since they can have a (HUGE) Fire Debuff applied to them. |
| 14:52.14 | Mikk | phreakzter: check out the bug reports on http://www.wowace.com/wau2 |
| 14:52.34 | phyber | my Incinerate scores at Normal: 111749 - Crit: 119313 after helping a guildie with the event ;) |
| 14:52.38 | phreakzter | Mikk: will do.. |
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| 14:55.35 | Mikk | phyber: tbh, can't you just detect values out of the norm? |
| 14:56.02 | Mikk | granted, you'd have to establish what the norm IS first but ... |
| 14:56.24 | phyber | if some math major wants to come up with formulas to establish "the norm", etc. then sure ;) |
| 14:56.32 | Mikk | easy enuf |
| 14:56.42 | Mikk | decaying average ftw |
| 14:56.50 | Wobin | easy |
| 14:56.51 | Wobin | 1 |
| 14:56.55 | Wobin | Tada |
| 14:57.10 | Mikk | just a sec and i'll pastey something |
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| 14:59.47 | Mikk | phyber: do you track crits separately? |
| 15:01.51 | CIA-22 | 03nemes * r43847 10NShakedown/ (Addons/Capping.lua NShakedown.toc): NShakedown: add Capping support |
| 15:02.26 | phyber | i guess so. |
| 15:02.33 | JoshBorke | mikk: can i use your WindowLib positioning code in another addon? |
| 15:02.47 | Mikk | JoshBorke: just use windowlib. there's more yumminess coming. |
| 15:02.59 | Wobin | chocolate flavoured yumminess? |
| 15:03.00 | mjc | http://hideapod.com/ |
| 15:03.07 | JoshBorke | mikk: not ace |
| 15:03.26 | Mikk | JoshBorke: meh, let me make it work without ace too. i intended to all along. |
| 15:03.29 | JoshBorke | i wrote the attach to the corner parts already, was gonna steal the bind to center |
| 15:03.42 | Mikk | if you just want to go ahead and rip it tho, feel free |
| 15:03.49 | Mikk | i release all my stuff to the public domain |
| 15:03.59 | JoshBorke | danke. it's for an embedded lib so i don't want to have to depend on another lib |
| 15:04.02 | Fisker- | people who would steal either the ipod or the iphone are either stupid or trying to get more money for it than it's worth(like apple already is) |
| 15:04.03 | Wobin | mjc: That's great =) |
| 15:04.26 | Mikk | JoshBorke: whatcha making? </curious> |
| 15:04.30 | Wobin | The Zune is so incredibly huge that there’s plenty of room for any iPod or iPhone along with your choice of accessories, a sack lunch, and maybe a small cat. |
| 15:04.33 | Nemes_ | Mikk: a question about WindowLib when you have a sec |
| 15:04.39 | Mikk | Nemes_: shoot |
| 15:04.55 | Nemes_ | mmkay a lot of addons do this, which is quite annoying: they only save window positions after DRAG |
| 15:04.57 | JoshBorke | mikk: pretty sure i've told you before: LegoBlock |
| 15:05.14 | Nemes_ | so if you use a frame modifier like DFM / visor / MA, the window positions don't get saved by the addon itself |
| 15:05.28 | Nemes_ | so I'm thinking that on disable, the save position method should be called |
| 15:06.15 | Mikk | mmh, i see your point |
| 15:06.32 | Nemes_ | in that manner, you can use your frame modifier to initially position the frame, then you can get rid of the frame modifier, letting the addon position its own frame itself |
| 15:07.08 | JoshBorke | pretty sure that's something that'll have to be changed in the addons themselves and not in windowlib |
| 15:07.11 | Nemes_ | this may also be handy with the upcoming changes, i.e. moving stuff on widescreen / nonwidescreen changes - the drag didn't move the frame, something else did |
| 15:07.23 | JoshBorke | mikk: btw, what sort of stuff do you have in mind for WindowLib? |
| 15:07.36 | Mikk | Nemes_: that's handled automatically. windowlib locks to the closest corner. |
| 15:07.45 | Nemes_ | aha that's OK then |
| 15:07.56 | CIA-22 | 03gagorian * r43848 10DrDamage/Data/Shaman.lua: |
| 15:07.56 | CIA-22 | DrDamage: |
| 15:07.56 | CIA-22 | - Fixed Thundering Strikes applying damage modifier instead of crit |
| 15:08.00 | Mikk | i'm thinking that for your problem, there's two things that could be done |
| 15:08.08 | JoshBorke | it actually locks to the nearest positioning point, which is far cooler |
| 15:08.08 | Mikk | 1. the addon calls SavePosition on all its windows on disable |
| 15:08.12 | CIA-22 | 03phyber * r43849 10FuBar_TopScoreFu/TopScoreFu.lua: |
| 15:08.12 | CIA-22 | FuBar_TopScoreFu: |
| 15:08.12 | CIA-22 | - Make a few functions local, string.find, string.format, etc. |
| 15:08.37 | Mikk | 2. frame modification addons check if frames have OnDragStart/Stop scritps, and fire them |
| 15:09.12 | Mikk | JoshBorke: things i'm intending to do for windowlib: |
| 15:09.18 | Mikk | 1. Frame sizing code (drag handles) |
| 15:09.50 | Mikk | 2. Easy creation of "standard" frames (unskinned). Basically just has a title and a content area. |
| 15:10.09 | Mikk | 3. "Minimizing" frames by doubleclicking their title area (just makes the content area disappear) |
| 15:10.21 | Mikk | 4. STICKY frames -- lock one corner of a frame to a corner of another frame |
| 15:10.34 | Mikk | (saved between sessions) |
| 15:10.35 | Nemes_ | ooh sticky I like |
| 15:10.43 | Wobin | It's magnetic, right? |
| 15:10.54 | Mikk | The idea being that frames from different addons would also be able to sticky to eachother |
| 15:10.56 | Mikk | yeah "magnetic" |
| 15:11.01 | Nemes_ | on my "todo list" is sticky frames for PitBull, but it's a difficult task |
| 15:11.03 | Wobin | So I can scrub a window across the screen and pick up a whole string of them? |
| 15:11.03 | Mikk | they'll keep stuck together when you drag stuff around |
| 15:11.10 | Mikk | aye |
| 15:11.11 | Mikk | er |
| 15:11.37 | Mikk | having several windows pile together while dragging i'm not so sure of |
| 15:11.44 | Mikk | i was thinking you'd have to attach them one by one |
| 15:11.50 | Mikk | but then you can drag the whole pile around |
| 15:12.19 | Wobin | how about if I have a grouping, and I want to move it to another single window and have it stick to the group |
| 15:12.26 | Wobin | instead of moving the single window over to the group |
| 15:12.28 | Nemes_ | I'm not sure that dragging the whole pile around may be practical; I know there was some issue a while back with cascading attached frames causing a big performance issue |
| 15:12.52 | Mikk | anyway, one funny effect of 3+4 would be that you can have a column of windows sitting to the side, some minimized, some not. the column uses the least space possible. maximize a window, and the column grows to accomodate for the new info that needs to be showed |
| 15:13.09 | JoshBorke | how do you remove stuff from a group if you keep them grouped together? |
| 15:13.10 | Mikk | Nemes_: I know, i'm the one that found that one. The issue is if you attach more than one point. |
| 15:13.18 | Mikk | just drag it off of its attach point |
| 15:13.48 | Nemes_ | have you looked at how bartender does its stickyness? |
| 15:14.07 | Mikk | No, but I know nevcariel was considering using my method when it's done :P |
| 15:14.33 | Nemes_ | hehe of course |
| 15:14.47 | Mikk | The biggest oargh with it all will be handling LoD addons |
| 15:14.53 | Mikk | Or tbh just addon loading order in general |
| 15:14.55 | Nemes_ | how so? |
| 15:15.09 | Nemes_ | oh... attaching to frames from another addon... |
| 15:15.11 | Mikk | aye |
| 15:15.11 | Nemes_ | is that wise? |
| 15:15.21 | Mikk | well.. it's bloody practical? =) |
| 15:15.29 | Nemes_ | I was only invisaging attaching to screen / frames from same addon |
| 15:15.35 | vithos | groupings that are only visible while moving stuff would be cool. |
| 15:15.58 | phyber | anyone have an example of triggering Parrot to display something? I'd like to make TopScoreFu display crits using it, but Parrot might as well be coded in some heavily obfuscated perl. |
| 15:15.59 | Mikk | make a pile of omen + vio + oRA2 status windows at the side of the screen fortehwin? |
| 15:16.04 | Mikk | minimize / restore as you want to |
| 15:16.08 | Mikk | without walking around in menus |
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| 15:16.22 | Mikk | phyber: lmao |
| 15:16.28 | vithos | or like.. tabbed visible groups. |
| 15:16.44 | Nemes_ | lol phyber... parrot isn't ready yet... give the man time to document |
| 15:17.07 | phyber | pft. |
| 15:17.09 | Mikk | vithos: that'd certainly be doable also |
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| 15:27.07 | CIA-22 | 03phyber * r43850 10FuBar_TopScoreFu/ (FuBar_TopScoreFu.toc TopScoreFu.lua TopScoreFuLocals.lua): |
| 15:27.07 | CIA-22 | FuBar_TopScoreFu: |
| 15:27.07 | CIA-22 | - Add experimental Parrot notifications. |
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| 15:29.23 | CIA-22 | 03phyber * r43851 10FuBar_TopScoreFu/TopScoreFu.lua: |
| 15:29.23 | CIA-22 | FuBar_TopScoreFu: |
| 15:29.23 | CIA-22 | - Added missing comma. |
| 15:33.02 | CIA-22 | 03nemes * r43852 10NShakedown/ (Addons/XLoot.lua NShakedown.toc): NShakedown: add XLoot support |
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| 15:39.53 | Mikk | phyber: http://ace.pastey.net/70849 <- assumes anything below 60% or above 200% should be ignored. will return false for such values. |
| 15:40.22 | Mikk | those %s may need to be tweaked |
| 15:40.28 | Mikk | but the statistical bit should be ok |
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| 15:41.48 | cncfanatics | hmmm, irc split ? only 56 online |
| 15:42.30 | cncfanatics | ah better |
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| 15:51.37 | cncfanatics | bleh, pitbull is totaly not working, when I right click the minimap icon, I don't get anything at all except profile, enable, about & donate |
| 15:51.47 | cncfanatics | (and the minimap button is a questionmark for some reason) |
| 15:51.50 | cncfanatics | anyone know why ? |
| 15:53.38 | Chompers | are the modules enabled? |
| 15:53.59 | kaiden | cncfanatics, delete your cache folder |
| 15:54.08 | cncfanatics | its a fresh install, but i'll try |
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| 15:54.55 | CIA-22 | 03nemes * r43853 10NShakedown/ (Addons/XLootMonitor.lua NShakedown.toc): NShakedown: add XLootMonitor support |
| 15:54.55 | kaiden | i dunno i tried it last night after you were complaining about these same problems yesterday and i deleted my entire wtf/interface folder and cache and just installed it and it worked fine again |
| 15:55.19 | Knaledge | Pitbull: Does it allow me to simply make my playerframe smaller and fit flush with FuBar? |
| 15:55.33 | Knaledge | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.45 | cncfanatics | kaiden, no effect |
| 15:55.48 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
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| 15:55.55 | Nemes_ | it's not for you Knaledge |
| 15:56.15 | cncfanatics | just tried with the savedbars |
| 15:56.16 | Nemes_ | try X-Perl or use a frame modifier like MoveAnything to move the standard unit frames |
| 15:56.17 | cncfanatics | vars* |
| 15:56.19 | cncfanatics | didnt help |
| 15:56.19 | Knaledge | well I also kind of would like my action buttons/bars and chat frame a bit more flush too |
| 15:56.25 | cncfanatics | lets try cache now |
| 15:56.32 | cncfanatics | (I rly dislike removing my cache folder ...) |
| 15:57.36 | Knaledge | I play in a window and have limited real estate so the more I can actually SEE the better. Playerframe, actionbar(s)/button, and the chat frame if they could lll be compressed and as flush to FuBar as possible while still maintaining the layout I like, that would be best. Im looking for an addon that can do that without much else extra |
| 15:57.38 | Nemes_ | if you don't like removing, then rename it |
| 15:57.39 | Knaledge | and is efficient |
| 15:58.23 | Nemes_ | if you have time and patience to configure it, then PitBull would be good Knaledge, but do it with the knowledge that it will require a lot of customisation from you |
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| 15:59.06 | Knaledge | I'm generally confident with ckknight's addons but I've heard PitBull consumes a lot of resources if just left" running" oob |
| 15:59.24 | Nemes_ | well, I suggest you profile it yourself, using PerformanceFu or something |
| 15:59.25 | cncfanatics | kaiden, any more ideas ? |
| 15:59.31 | Nemes_ | then you can judge how efficient it is |
| 16:00.21 | Knaledge | and I'm not sure if its been fixed but a few players reported rogues being unable to see their combo points on a target? and also a sort of smudgy effect on their unitframes? |
| 16:01.15 | Chompers | Pitbulls been running for about 2 hours now, it's using 1.4mb of memory |
| 16:01.17 | Nemes_ | the best way for you to judge is to try it for yourself |
| 16:01.22 | Punkie` | Knaledge: Get ag_unitframes or Sage(from wowi) |
| 16:01.45 | Punkie` | default for default, aguf and pitbull look quite the same |
| 16:02.12 | Punkie` | aguf consumes way, way less memory and cpu usage though |
| 16:02.14 | Knaledge | I'd imagine Pitbull is more efficient though? |
| 16:02.18 | Knaledge | really? |
| 16:02.30 | Nemes_ | is agUF still being developed, or is it abandoned? |
| 16:02.36 | Knaledge | isn't Pitbull bsed off of agUF? |
| 16:02.56 | Punkie` | Pitbull is efficient as the first steam train |
| 16:03.06 | cncfanatics | maybe |
| 16:03.08 | Chompers | get Pitbll and disable the modules the you don't need |
| 16:03.09 | cncfanatics | but it has all options I need |
| 16:03.23 | Knaledge | now as per ckknight though on the post on WoWAce |
| 16:03.24 | cncfanatics | kaiden, any more ideas ? |
| 16:03.27 | cncfanatics | I deleted cache & WTF |
| 16:03.36 | Knaledge | you can disable the addons you dont want and consue less resources , etc. |
| 16:03.42 | Morgh | So... what you're trying to say is that "DUF, just not as omg"? =P |
| 16:03.47 | Knaledge | to "run them seperately" but it requires using a .bat file? |
| 16:03.48 | Morgh | *that it's |
| 16:03.58 | CIA-22 | 03gamefaq * r43854 10FuBar_QuestsFu/ (8 files in 8 dirs): |
| 16:03.58 | CIA-22 | FuBar_QuestsFu: |
| 16:03.58 | CIA-22 | - deDE Locals Updated |
| 16:04.39 | Knaledge | Well how about this then: if I install PitBull but don't like it or whatever |
| 16:04.52 | Knaledge | is it as simple as uninstalling it via MAU? |
| 16:05.08 | Nemes_ | Knaledge... if you install PitBull, it may never be removed again - you will need to buy a new computer and WoW account |
| 16:05.10 | Chompers | what's mau? |
| 16:05.11 | Knaledge | or does it alter/replace other files outside of the addon directory? |
| 16:05.21 | Knaledge | MacAceUpdater |
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| 16:05.33 | Chompers | it creates a settings file in your Savedvariables folder |
| 16:05.56 | Punkie` | Knaledge: Put it this way |
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| 16:06.08 | Knaledge | I realize how to remove addons, even nasty ones but I'm not sure if it's still practiced by frame altering addons to actually replace the standard files like they used to back in old WoW release era days |
| 16:06.12 | Punkie` | aguf vs pitbull CORE (with no modules) still uses more cpu and more memory |
| 16:06.24 | Punkie` | and aguf is not load on demand |
| 16:06.44 | Knaledge | so aguf uses more resources of vice versa you're saying? |
| 16:06.48 | Nemes_ | knaledge: addons may only add files in Interface/Addons and WTF/.../SavedVariables |
| 16:06.54 | Nemes_ | and with that I bid you all goodnight |
| 16:07.45 | Knaledge | ah here's another question I've alays had about these |
| 16:07.48 | cncfanatics | kaiden, still locked :/ |
| 16:07.56 | Knaledge | does it affect FPS? |
| 16:08.00 | Chompers | it's not like PitBull with all modules takes up alot of resources |
| 16:08.11 | Knaledge | yeah chompers you said what 1.4MB? |
| 16:08.14 | Knaledge | I'm fine with tha |
| 16:08.19 | Punkie` | Knaledge: I'm saying the other way around |
| 16:08.21 | Chompers | yup, that's with all modules enabled |
| 16:08.28 | Chompers | except raid-frames |
| 16:08.29 | Punkie` | Chompers: haha, if you say so |
| 16:08.36 | Punkie` | I've profiled both extensively |
| 16:08.41 | fireglow | do you know a addon that i can use to select active addons *ingame* and reload the UI, instead of logging out/in every time? |
| 16:08.47 | cncfanatics | fireglow, ACP |
| 16:08.56 | fireglow | cncfanatics: thanks, ill check that out |
| 16:08.57 | cncfanatics | http://files.wowace.com/ACP/ |
| 16:08.58 | Punkie` | Chompers: you know pitbull gives ace2 something like 1MiB per hour? |
| 16:08.59 | Fin | Chompers: did you update addons today? |
| 16:09.00 | Knaledge | I've used ACP |
| 16:09.14 | Chompers | it'll probably be a few meg higher when in a party though... |
| 16:09.18 | Chompers | totally forgot about that :O |
| 16:09.48 | Knaledge | thats fine though - I can live with that since I solo atm alot. hwoever in raids it might be a pita... |
| 16:09.58 | Knaledge | I sit at 14.7MB UI mem usage |
| 16:10.03 | Punkie` | Chompers: do you use pitbull LoD? |
| 16:10.05 | Knaledge | highest I'll go is about 17 nowadays |
| 16:10.14 | Punkie` | Knaledge: Expect past 20 ;) |
| 16:10.17 | Chompers | yes Fin |
| 16:10.38 | Knaledge | I'd need a screenshot then and it's something to probably be bugged and reported, punkie |
| 16:10.45 | CIA-22 | 03nemes * r43855 10NShakedown/ (Addons/XLootGroup.lua NShakedown.toc): NShakedown: add XLootGroup support |
| 16:10.51 | Knaledge | because even Auctioneer doesnt use that much memory when idle |
| 16:11.04 | testify | Can anyone tell me where the installation directory of the one-click install of WAU is |
| 16:11.12 | Punkie` | I don't think you know how addons work? |
| 16:11.26 | Punkie` | Auctioneer is load on demand, unless you visit the auctionhouse it won't fully load |
| 16:11.33 | Knaledge | I think you might talk abit much about an addon others are interested in? |
| 16:11.39 | Knaledge | and you're wrong about auctioneer |
| 16:11.45 | Knaledge | #norganna if you dont think so |
| 16:11.56 | Knaledge | its not LoD unless you're using the latest build 2020 |
| 16:12.03 | Knaledge | Auctioneer Advanced is unreleased |
| 16:12.07 | Punkie` | yes, which is what I do |
| 16:12.08 | Chompers | sorry Fin/Punkie i totally forgot about the libs :x |
| 16:12.12 | CIA-22 | 03gamefaq * r43856 10AtlasLoot/DefaultFrame/AtlaslootDefaultFrame.lua: |
| 16:12.12 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot: |
| 16:12.12 | CIA-22 | - Added 2 missing Translation strings |
| 16:12.12 | Knaledge | if you're using 1909 from the site, it's not LoD |
| 16:12.17 | phirephly | Auctioneer doesn't HAVE to be LOD. You can configure it NOT to be if you want. |
| 16:12.31 | Punkie` | Auctioneer is only really as big as the amount of data you keep |
| 16:12.37 | fireglow | cncfanatics: thanks, works perfect <3 |
| 16:12.45 | Knaledge | well Ihave a mature 2 year old database in Auctioneer |
| 16:12.46 | cncfanatics | fireglow, np |
| 16:12.49 | Fin | Chompers: er, no, that's not why I was asking |
| 16:12.53 | Knaledge | so it can get up there |
| 16:13.17 | Punkie` | But seriously Knaledge, I did enjoy using Pitbull, it is the most configurable of any UF without a doubt |
| 16:13.26 | Punkie` | but that does come at a cost |
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| 16:14.24 | Punkie` | I had bad problems with it in raids also, every few seconds I would have tiny screen freezes, not a game breaker but noticable |
| 16:15.08 | Strigoi|LR | what's violation google page? |
| 16:15.12 | Punkie` | apparently that was a blizzard bug, but I've had no other issues with any other UF |
| 16:16.07 | Chompers | i found pitbulls raid frames to be too overwhelming |
| 16:16.13 | Punkie` | they are |
| 16:16.23 | Punkie` | although again, you can configure them really nice |
| 16:16.24 | Chompers | it's just too much information |
| 16:16.39 | Fin | Chompers: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=6243.msg121087#msg121087 |
| 16:16.42 | Chompers | indeed, i'm sure if i spent a bit more time setting them up, they'd be really nice |
| 16:17.09 | Knaledge | alright take a look at this |
| 16:17.16 | Knaledge | http://norganna.org/up/?view=IDNnyY/ScreenShot_071507_121515.jpeg |
| 16:17.20 | Knaledge | thats my current UI |
| 16:17.30 | Chompers | Fin: fanatastic :D |
| 16:17.43 | Chompers | i only talked about that feature last night as well |
| 16:17.48 | Knaledge | all I want is my character health/portrait more squarish and flush against the top FuBar in the upper left corner |
| 16:18.04 | Chompers | god damn you work fast fin |
| 16:18.12 | Punkie` | Do you want it to look the same as it does now? |
| 16:18.17 | Knaledge | THEN, all I want is the chat frame and and the action bars/buttons compressed more and as flush to the FuBar as possible |
| 16:18.18 | Knaledge | and yes |
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| 16:18.20 | testify | Can anyone tell me where the installation directory of the one-click install of WAU is? |
| 16:18.22 | Knaledge | I want the exact button layout |
| 16:18.30 | Punkie` | then, you should just use something along the lines of MoveAnything |
| 16:18.32 | Knaledge | I can't stand those huge masses of buttons in one big square. |
| 16:18.40 | Knaledge | I do use FluidFrames |
| 16:18.42 | Nosrac | testify: http:files.wowace.com? |
| 16:18.53 | Knaledge | but I mean, I dont mean how they LOOk as far as art |
| 16:18.59 | Knaledge | the layout I want to remain the same sort of.. |
| 16:19.05 | testify | Nosrac: no, I mean what directory does it put the files in after you install it? |
| 16:19.14 | Nosrac | Oh |
| 16:19.18 | Nosrac | Mac or Windows? |
| 16:19.19 | Knaledge | just compressed and like... the chat frame itself when fullo takes up nearly half the left side of my screen |
| 16:19.21 | testify | Windows |
| 16:19.29 | Nosrac | Let's see if I can recall the path >< |
| 16:19.54 | Nosrac | C:\Your Documents (or something like that)\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Addons\ In here |
| 16:19.55 | Knaledge | probably in your default user documents folder |
| 16:20.06 | sag_ich_nicht | Nosrac WRONG |
| 16:20.10 | Nosrac | Awe |
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| 16:20.30 | Nosrac | How close was i, sag_ich_nicht? |
| 16:20.45 | sag_ich_nicht | oh wait |
| 16:20.49 | sag_ich_nicht | the one click installation of WAU |
| 16:20.49 | sag_ich_nicht | sorry |
| 16:20.53 | Nosrac | haha |
| 16:20.57 | sag_ich_nicht | i saw you reciting the path norganna |
| 16:20.58 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 16:20.59 | sag_ich_nicht | Nosrac |
| 16:21.02 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it tabcomplete |
| 16:21.04 | Nosrac | lol |
| 16:21.07 | sag_ich_nicht | and figured you wanted the addon path |
| 16:21.09 | sag_ich_nicht | which is C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns\ |
| 16:21.13 | sag_ich_nicht | yours is still wrong tho :P |
| 16:21.16 | Nosrac | lol |
| 16:21.20 | Nosrac | =D |
| 16:21.20 | testify | heh |
| 16:21.23 | Fin | it should be easy enough to get allow substitutions to refer to lua code or macros or whatever, I just need to add some sort of way of flagging user defined subs as a particular type (lua's easiest) |
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| 16:21.33 | Punkie` | Knaledge: This is my current UI: http://www.tallage.co.uk/upload/latestui.jpg |
| 16:21.36 | Nosrac | Well, I'm on a mac, I'd say I did pretty good ;-D |
| 16:21.53 | Punkie` | I try to keep things tidy, although the UF aren't pretty they do the job I want pretty well with little cost :) |
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| 16:22.18 | Nosrac | Well, who doesn't want little cost, Punkie` =D |
| 16:22.26 | testify | Thanks for the attempt Nosrac |
| 16:22.32 | Nosrac | You bet |
| 16:22.50 | Punkie` | anyway, dinner, hurray :) |
| 16:22.50 | Fin | hm, quite like that format you have for guild chat, Punkie` |
| 16:22.57 | Nosrac | Punkie`: what are those UFs? |
| 16:23.02 | Xuerian | BATMONKIES ON A SHISHKABOB |
| 16:23.03 | Punkie` | no stealing! |
| 16:23.24 | Fin | that's exactly how I have my unit frames as well, except I have values displayed as right aligned |
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| 16:23.30 | Nosrac | haha |
| 16:23.50 | Xuerian | Re-link. |
| 16:24.09 | Fin | (makes it easier to see when someone needs healin - if their health bars have depleted past the text showing how much health they have :) |
| 16:24.14 | Knaledge | that seems good although I would want those player frames in the top right |
| 16:24.17 | Knaledge | top left rather |
| 16:24.27 | Knaledge | I'm guessing you can move them etc |
| 16:24.46 | Chompers | yes |
| 16:25.02 | Chompers | Knaledge: give it a go, if you don't like it, uninstall |
| 16:25.07 | Knaledge | hrm ok I might try it out |
| 16:25.08 | Xuerian | Must, see, screenshots! |
| 16:25.25 | Knaledge | this is mine ccurrently... default blizz |
| 16:25.26 | Knaledge | http://norganna.org/up/?view=IDNnyY/ScreenShot_071507_121515.jpeg |
| 16:25.34 | Xuerian | Thankies. |
| 16:25.44 | Fin | Chompers: uh, I was a bit tired when I committed the changes to subs, I'd appreciate it if you could try and break it a bit for me to see if there's any bugs |
| 16:25.45 | Knaledge | and punkies |
| 16:25.47 | Knaledge | http://www.tallage.co.uk/upload/latestui.jpg |
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| 16:25.50 | Xuerian | Rather bland. =| |
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| 16:26.03 | Knaledge | punkies I just linked, xuerian |
| 16:26.06 | Fin | not that I didn't test it myself of course |
| 16:26.13 | Knaledge | I don't mind bland I just want screen real estate |
| 16:26.21 | Knaledge | honestly, if I could have an addon that like.. |
| 16:26.23 | Xuerian | Ahh, punkies is similar to mine. |
| 16:26.26 | Knaledge | any of you use Enchantrix? |
| 16:26.53 | Xuerian | A long time ago |
| 16:26.58 | Fin | in a galaxy far, far away |
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| 16:27.10 | Knaledge | if anyone here uses enchantrix, they'll know there is that little like.. rollover pop out thing on the upper right of your screen under the minimap |
| 16:27.30 | Knaledge | so basically it's this barely visible sliver of color that borders the edge of your screen |
| 16:27.40 | Knaledge | when you mouseover it though, it reveals a slide out panel |
| 16:27.51 | Knaledge | if I could get my chat frame to wwork JUST LIKE THAT |
| 16:27.57 | Knaledge | that would solve all my problems. |
| 16:28.00 | Xuerian | Why not try DreamChat? |
| 16:28.20 | NM|Xinhuan|Guru | rollout chatframes? interesting idea |
| 16:28.29 | Knaledge | yeah I wish someone did it |
| 16:28.32 | Knaledge | because goddamnit.. |
| 16:28.45 | Xuerian | Also, screen real estate? http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=61m0f48 (except the buffbars) |
| 16:29.36 | Knaledge | see thats cool but does all of that effect your frames per second? |
| 16:29.43 | Knaledge | like interface lag, loss of fps? |
| 16:29.44 | Knaledge | etc. |
| 16:29.46 | Xuerian | 1-2fps |
| 16:30.08 | NM|Xinhuan|Guru | well the less stuff you have on screen, the less OnUpdate code that runs - particularly action buttons... |
| 16:30.10 | Knaledge | I run a Mac Pro with 4GB of RAM but damnit all ... when I ordered and bought it, adding in the ATi X1900XT would have delayed it by 2 months |
| 16:30.22 | Knaledge | so I still have a 7300GT and in places like Shat I'm lucky to get 20-30fps |
| 16:30.38 | NM|Xinhuan|Guru | heh i get 5 fps in shatt |
| 16:30.55 | Xuerian | Knaledge: I use PitBull with that center style of unitframes. Most of my spells are through Clique, I have other things bound with SpellBinder, and my shocks are on my actionbar |
| 16:30.59 | Knaledge | oh believe me.. the only reason I thin I'm able to run WoW so well is because of the multiple CPUs |
| 16:31.00 | Xuerian | (which I memorized) |
| 16:31.14 | Xuerian | Knaledge: Damn you and your multi-threaded opengl |
| 16:31.33 | Knaledge | 4 3.0GHz cores |
| 16:31.35 | Knaledge | tastey |
| 16:31.42 | Xuerian | forget opengl |
| 16:31.45 | Xuerian | just damn you. |
| 16:31.53 | Knaledge | but I digress |
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| 16:32.18 | NM|Xinhuan | is there any benefit to creating frames in LUA as compared to XML? |
| 16:32.19 | Knaledge | this damn 7300GT is what causesme to run WoW in a window |
| 16:32.29 | Xuerian | NM|Xinhuan: Not creating them till they're needed |
| 16:32.30 | Knaledge | Xin we were talking about this yesterday actually |
| 16:32.33 | Xuerian | NM|Xinhuan: It's easier |
| 16:32.36 | Xuerian | NM|Xinhuan: It's prettier |
| 16:32.40 | Xuerian | NM|Xinhuan: Everyone else does it! |
| 16:32.43 | Knaledge | apparently LUA is way more... efficient as far as amount of code needed |
| 16:32.58 | NM|Xinhuan | well does it make loading addons faster? |
| 16:33.00 | Knaledge | I was looking at Ludwig's ui.xml file to edit something yesterday |
| 16:33.10 | NM|Xinhuan | say making 100 frames in XML vs the same 100 frames in LUA |
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| 16:33.14 | Knaledge | and damn it all if I couldn't find what I was looking for , swamping through massive amounts of code |
| 16:33.35 | NM|Xinhuan | i don't know if it would be "easier and prettier" |
| 16:33.36 | Xuerian | NM|Xinhuan: I'm not sure on the execution time differences, but overall it should save time |
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| 16:33.56 | Xuerian | NM|Xinhuan: And here I thought you would object to the shady option. It is easier to me, and it is prettier |
| 16:34.04 | Knaledge | well I know printing a message to the screen in XML takes like 16 lines of code vs two in LUA |
| 16:34.12 | Chompers | Fin: this module's great |
| 16:34.23 | NM|Xinhuan | i would still end up with a 100 lines of code creating frames whether in xml or lua since i would still have to create those fontstrings and set those edgefiles and stuff >.> |
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| 16:34.37 | Xuerian | NM|Xinhuan: Not really |
| 16:34.42 | Knaledge | oh wait it's xinhuan from... bankitems? |
| 16:34.45 | Xuerian | NM|Xinhuan: You can 'macro' things. |
| 16:34.47 | NM|Xinhuan | yep |
| 16:34.50 | Knaledge | nice :) |
| 16:35.10 | Knaledge | hey any chance of gettting it so that the FuBar addon can be like.. |
| 16:35.18 | Knaledge | so that it doesnt say BankItemsFU? |
| 16:35.23 | Knaledge | I know you can dsable text.. |
| 16:35.25 | NM|Xinhuan | probably not LOL |
| 16:35.27 | Xuerian | right click it, and un-check "show text"? |
| 16:35.29 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 16:35.37 | Knaledge | yeah yeah I know but on a Mac in Windowed mode.. |
| 16:35.41 | NM|Xinhuan | because atm, i'm writing a ingame version of WoWEquip |
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| 16:35.52 | Knaledge | where I have my BI icon there's this asty resize window thing |
| 16:36.08 | Knaledge | ah cool |
| 16:36.20 | NM|Xinhuan | i just hide the text tbh |
| 16:36.23 | Knaledge | well bankitems works well and I like it - very glad you continued it |
| 16:36.33 | NM|Xinhuan | and have the bankitemsfu icon alone showing next to the other 10 or so icons |
| 16:36.43 | NM|Xinhuan | volume, bigwigs, atlastlootfu and stuff |
| 16:37.00 | Knaledge | yeah I would do the same but on a Mac it's hard if it's in the lower right of your screen in windowed mode. I just wish there were a way to add spacing/padding to the END of the right/left sides in FuBar |
| 16:37.07 | cncfanatics | NM|Xinhuan, you can dynamicly create frames |
| 16:37.23 | cncfanatics | as such, you can have unlimited frames on the screeen |
| 16:37.27 | cncfanatics | and you can loop stuff |
| 16:37.28 | Xuerian | NM|Xinhuan: The main lauded advantage of creating frames in lua is that you can directly reference anything you create in lua directly (nameless things included), and you can dynamically create frames when they're needed or one at a time, instead of all at once - and creating a big loadup. |
| 16:37.36 | cncfanatics | if you create 200 frames, it'll be less lines in lua then xml |
| 16:37.59 | NM|Xinhuan | What if the frame i'm creating is the addon's main frame? - its going to be created everytime |
| 16:38.02 | Xuerian | NM|Xinhuan: For example, in xloot, only when loot is shown is the frame created, then only the amount of buttons needed for the current loot. Only if future lootings have more items does it create more frames. |
| 16:38.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: "directly reference [...] directly"? :P |
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| 16:38.37 | Punkie` | Nosrac: They are called Sage written by Tuller |
| 16:38.43 | Xuerian | NightHawkAtWork: I 'AVENT 'AD MAH COFFAH YET |
| 16:38.51 | NM|Xinhuan | i know the benefits of creating frames only when they are needed - but what about frames that are "always needed" |
| 16:38.56 | Nosrac | Punkie`: Ah, k ;-) |
| 16:39.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: lol. thats okay, neither have i. :) |
| 16:39.08 | Kaelten | ~coffee Xuerian |
| 16:39.08 | purl | ACTION steals some of Riddle_Box's special coffee and gives it to Xuerian on a silver platter. |
| 16:39.15 | Xuerian | ... |
| 16:39.18 | cncfanatics | NM|Xinhuan, no difference |
| 16:39.21 | Xuerian | Spekshul coffe sounds slightly risky |
| 16:39.32 | cncfanatics | except if you *always* need 10 identical frames you can loop them in lua, for example |
| 16:39.33 | aen1 | can u guys help me make a macro that switches auras?\ |
| 16:39.35 | Xuerian | NM|Xinhuan: Other than taking less code |
| 16:39.39 | NM|Xinhuan | so there really isn't any real advantage to converting existing XML files into pure LUA? |
| 16:39.51 | Mikk | Knaledge: you know that you can grab hold of the end of the fubar and change its size, yeah? |
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| 16:39.56 | Xuerian | NM|Xinhuan: I'm not going to argue you out of xml tooth and nail |
| 16:39.58 | Xuerian | >_< |
| 16:40.00 | Mikk | NM|Xinhuan: Nah |
| 16:40.08 | Knaledge | @ Mikk - how do you mean/. |
| 16:40.09 | NM|Xinhuan | say for old addons that i've got that used to use XML files to make frames |
| 16:40.11 | Mikk | For frames that always exist, there's no real gain |
| 16:40.17 | cncfanatics | NM|Xinhuan, not really no, but I prefer the lua syntax to the XML one |
| 16:40.19 | NM|Xinhuan | i just want to know if there's any real benefit converting those to lua |
| 16:40.20 | Kaelten | NM|Xinhuan: one advantage for me is that I like the lua better, but you can have some gains from flexibilty without naming the forms. |
| 16:40.21 | NM|Xinhuan | ;) |
| 16:40.24 | Mikk | Knaledge: Move your mouse pointer to the right edge of the fubar. Drag left until you see it all. |
| 16:40.26 | Knaledge | I like it being there all... across the bottom left to right |
| 16:40.42 | Knaledge | ah ok. yah a nice workaround I am aware of |
| 16:40.45 | Mikk | Err.. click and drag i mean |
| 16:40.46 | Kaelten | NM|Xinhuan: direct manipulation without having to name them |
| 16:40.54 | Xuerian | NM|Xinhuan: If you're expressly asking "Is it worth converting my old addons to lua frame generation", then no |
| 16:40.57 | Kaelten | since naming them uses up more memory |
| 16:41.04 | Knaledge | I just would simply want padding to the right of the addons, thats all. it's not bugging me really |
| 16:41.06 | NM|Xinhuan | ok |
| 16:41.11 | aen1 | for example i want to switch b/t all auras with one button |
| 16:41.13 | Mikk | blah, if you've created the frames in xml you're not going to have enough frames to matter :P |
| 16:41.20 | Knaledge | just you know, the only reason I have banktemsFU showing text is so I can actually click on it |
| 16:41.39 | Mikk | Just drag the fubar then? Isn't that all you need? |
| 16:41.41 | Kaelten | Mikk: :P look at some fo the old timy mods like discord, those had a shitload of xml frames. |
| 16:41.46 | NM|Xinhuan | just edit it knaledge - the "BankItemsFu" string is somewhere near the top of the file |
| 16:41.50 | Mikk | Kaelten: true, i know >.< |
| 16:42.01 | Knaledge | can you add spaces, Xinhuan? |
| 16:42.04 | Knaledge | like I wll do it |
| 16:42.05 | Xuerian | Mikk To quote you, "I see you haven't read enough code" |
| 16:42.07 | Knaledge | but I mean in generaly |
| 16:42.07 | Xuerian | >_> |
| 16:42.14 | Knaledge | can you make it "BankItemsFu " |
| 16:42.22 | Mikk | Xuerian: hahaha. yeah i've seen such addons. i admit :> |
| 16:42.27 | Knaledge | or do spaces get truncated? |
| 16:42.39 | Xuerian | Knaledge: You're spekshul. |
| 16:42.41 | pakoz2 | anyone else having wau report new version when there isnt one? |
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| 16:42.42 | Kaelten | Even some of the older KCI's had a ton of xml frames |
| 16:42.44 | Kaelten | lol |
| 16:42.55 | Kaelten | I just havn't redone them all yet |
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| 16:43.34 | Mikk | Aye I know.. I used to have addons with upwards of 20 identical frames for scrolling views :S |
| 16:43.52 | Mikk | (addons i'd written that is) |
| 16:43.58 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 16:43.59 | Kaelten | ya |
| 16:44.14 | Kaelten | speaking of KCI I'm thinking about doing some major hacking on the auctionframe |
| 16:44.22 | Kaelten | trying to decide if its worth it |
| 16:44.36 | NM|Xinhuan | Knaledge: just open the lua file and find self:SetText("BankItemsFu") and change it to whatever you want (i think!) |
| 16:44.38 | Mikk | like for instance polling ALL items and re-sorting them? |
| 16:44.50 | Knaledge | tere's two occasions of that xin |
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| 16:44.56 | NM|Xinhuan | change the second one |
| 16:44.57 | Knaledge | one near the top and one toward the middle |
| 16:45.01 | Knaledge | ah ok |
| 16:45.06 | Kaelten | right now I'm looking at the listing frame wanting to rearrange whats there and put some custom info |
| 16:45.42 | Mikk | I'd want the listing frame to keep growing dynamically by automagically doing "Next" in the background |
| 16:45.49 | Mikk | And re-sorting as new stuff arrives |
| 16:45.51 | Knaledge | so I can just use... spaces as the name? |
| 16:46.00 | Xuerian | Knaledge: just try it |
| 16:46.02 | Knaledge | instead of BankItemsFU I can use " " |
| 16:46.13 | Xuerian | All you have to do is /rl after the change |
| 16:46.14 | Kaelten | Mikk: huh? |
| 16:46.15 | Mikk | Kaelten: then again, perhaps that shouldn't be KCI, perhaps that should be a standalone |
| 16:46.17 | NM|Xinhuan | yes |
| 16:46.24 | Kaelten | I'm talking about the second tab |
| 16:46.31 | aen` | can anyone help here: im trying to make a macro that cycles between pally auras |
| 16:46.41 | Kaelten | er third tab |
| 16:46.46 | Mikk | "Your Auctions"? |
| 16:46.49 | Mikk | "New Auction"? |
| 16:46.55 | Kaelten | ya |
| 16:46.57 | Mikk | ahh |
| 16:47.03 | Mikk | i was talking about the list view |
| 16:47.13 | Kaelten | problem with doing what you you're talking about on the first tab is you won't be able to do anything with the other pages |
| 16:47.31 | Knaledge | cool thank you :) it worked |
| 16:47.31 | Kaelten | even if you kept displaying them to do a bid or buy on them you'd have to switch pages again. |
| 16:47.57 | Mikk | Kaelten: howso? |
| 16:48.14 | Kaelten | because internally the auctionhouse API expects a numeric index on them |
| 16:48.23 | Daemona | haha love the advertising in WAU "Womens clothing for 40+" |
| 16:48.24 | Mikk | ... |
| 16:48.39 | Kaelten | so you'd have page1's stuff thats 1-25 |
| 16:48.49 | Kaelten | then you'd load page2 thats also 1-25 |
| 16:48.56 | Kaelten | if you decided to go back to page1 |
| 16:49.10 | Mikk | i'd have to reload it internally |
| 16:49.15 | Kaelten | internaly you'd have to switch page again, squeltch the results and then submit |
| 16:49.17 | Mikk | and verify that the listings haven't changed |
| 16:49.27 | Kaelten | yep |
| 16:49.38 | Kaelten | problem being is page switching has a built in lag |
| 16:49.43 | Kaelten | just like searching does |
| 16:49.46 | Mikk | yeah. and likes to fail. |
| 16:50.06 | Kaelten | yep plus not only would buying items change the first page, but also listing items could as well. |
| 16:50.40 | Mikk | i still think it's worth doing though |
| 16:50.44 | Mikk | perhaps not automagically |
| 16:51.04 | Mikk | but with an "expand" button or something |
| 16:51.17 | Kaelten | you'd have to backend cache the data and overwrite the getdetails api |
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| 16:51.40 | Kaelten | and I'm not sure how KCI and Auctioneer would play depending on how you kept the index working. |
| 16:52.04 | NM|Xinhuan | sounds like a mess to keep track of |
| 16:52.13 | Kaelten | ya, |
| 16:52.14 | Fin | ~seen ckknight |
| 16:52.36 | purl | ckknight <n=ckknight@cpe-75-80-221-35.hawaii.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 11h 11m 39s ago, saying: 'but currently, I'm playing Wii with my brother'. |
| 16:52.36 | Kaelten | I'm afraid it really would be. |
| 16:52.36 | Kaelten | if things were done using real unique ids |
| 16:52.42 | Kaelten | it wouldn't be that pad at all |
| 16:52.49 | Kaelten | but they're not |
| 16:52.51 | Kaelten | :( |
| 16:52.53 | Knaledge | is there a way if using FuXPFu that I can permanently hide the blizzard xp bar? |
| 16:52.58 | Mikk | It's just... scanning e.g. netherweave cloth now sucks ass |
| 16:53.04 | Mikk | 5 pages |
| 16:53.08 | Mikk | have to click through all to find best BOs |
| 16:53.15 | Kaelten | ya |
| 16:53.20 | Mikk | and then more clicks to go back to the page that had the best one |
| 16:53.21 | Knaledge | right now, with FuXPFu enabled, it "hides" the BlizzXP bar but it leaves a gap... and then whenever I gain EXP, the blizz bar appears and it has a weird second rep bar |
| 16:53.24 | Kaelten | thats just due to pisspoor sorting imo |
| 16:53.51 | Fin | stealing someone else's code - it's so simple! all the rewards, none of the work! |
| 16:53.58 | Fin | if only I'd thought of it before |
| 16:54.03 | Punkie` | eh? http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=7352.0 |
| 16:55.19 | Chompers | Fin: with substitutions, are apostriphies possible? |
| 16:55.49 | BankZ | What does [help] do in a macro? |
| 16:56.03 | NM|Xinhuan | means the target must be a "friendly target" |
| 16:56.07 | Fin | it's if you can help that target |
| 16:56.09 | trh | BankZ: if target = friendly |
| 16:56.09 | NM|Xinhuan | on your faction to be specific |
| 16:56.12 | cncfanatics | ~seen Nargiddley |
| 16:56.13 | purl | nargiddley <n=narg@203-97-236-74.cable.telstraclear.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 2d 4h 5m 1s ago, saying: 'afaik yes'. |
| 16:56.15 | cncfanatics | ~seen ckknight |
| 16:56.15 | purl | ckknight <n=ckknight@cpe-75-80-221-35.hawaii.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 11h 15m 18s ago, saying: 'but currently, I'm playing Wii with my brother'. |
| 16:56.22 | Fin | ie, you can't help some NPCs and anyone on the opposite faction |
| 16:56.27 | BankZ | cool, thanks |
| 16:56.46 | Fin | oh, thank you *so* much purl you god damn slacker. now go to the back of the class! |
| 16:57.00 | Fin | Chompers: not atm, sorry |
| 16:57.09 | Fin | Chompers: why would you want to though? |
| 16:57.14 | Kaelten | Mikk: anywho what I'm looking at is working on the third tab |
| 16:57.19 | Fin | oh, you mean in the value of the substitution? |
| 16:57.54 | Chompers | to change "dont" to "don't" |
| 16:58.21 | Fin | so you would specify %dont ? |
| 16:58.35 | Fin | that's slightly different, automatic replacements... |
| 16:58.45 | Fin | I can add that as *well* to subtitutions I guess :) |
| 16:58.52 | Chompers | :D |
| 16:59.15 | Chompers | soon my guild chat will be perfect ;) |
| 16:59.19 | NM|Xinhuan | o_O |
| 16:59.22 | Roslin | Going to assume the answer is no to this but anyone know of a way to do BUFF (Not debuff) Frame Highlighting aka Grid with Pitbull? |
| 16:59.53 | Fin | and actually, I should change the way I implemented it to allow proper values of user defined subs - you can only have fixed strings without spaces and stuff atm, but that's shit (I was just being careful at the time, flagged it as something I should fix later, which of course I forgot) |
| 17:00.08 | Fin | must've been one of those self-dissolving flags |
| 17:00.13 | Fin | I should stop using those |
| 17:00.47 | Chompers | yeah, understandable |
| 17:01.15 | Chompers | it's really good to start off with though |
| 17:03.00 | Fin | oh wait, I think maybe you can set replacement strings as whatever you like |
| 17:03.28 | Fin | yeah, I'm pretty sure you can, I copied the code from AltNames, I remember I had a similar mental flag about the same issue on that, which I actually got round to doing |
| 17:04.23 | Fin | it was just the bit that split "var = <value>" - <value> used to be a very simple string, but it's whatever you like now |
| 17:06.06 | Fin | you should be able to set subs using var = value, var=value, %var = value, or just var value |
| 17:07.41 | Fin | I think |
| 17:08.26 | Fin | unless the %var is an existing default substitution like %pos or whatever, then you have to specify it without the % or it'll get parsed wrongly |
| 17:08.45 | Strigoi|LR | is there a way to scale down bigwigs proximity check? |
| 17:08.56 | Strigoi|LR | *frame i mean |
| 17:09.07 | Fin | actually ew, if people did specify %pos as their substitution name it wouldn't be very nice |
| 17:09.17 | Fin | easy to fix though |
| 17:09.21 | Fin | (for them) |
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| 17:14.01 | Knaledge | what would /script MainMenuExpBar:Hide() screw up? |
| 17:14.35 | Knaledge | if the parent is UIParent |
| 17:14.57 | Knaledge | er rather MainMenuBar is the parent, and MainMenuBar's parent is UIParent ? |
| 17:15.01 | Punkie` | try it ;) |
| 17:15.08 | CIA-22 | 03fin * r43857 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/Substitutions.lua: |
| 17:15.08 | CIA-22 | Prat: modules/Substitutions.lua: fixed stolen (from myself) regex to allow sub |
| 17:15.08 | CIA-22 | names to be specified by "%sub = replacement", except for default subs which |
| 17:15.08 | CIA-22 | will be parsed into "%existingsubsreplacement = replacement" (so left the note |
| 17:15.08 | CIA-22 | in telling people not to use % when defining substitutions); read as: minor bug |
| 17:15.10 | CIA-22 | fix (woo! who's next on the bong? me? yeah! woo!) |
| 17:15.18 | Knaledge | right but "trying it" might be something I can't reverse |
| 17:15.32 | Punkie` | no, if you do those commands they will be restored on a reload |
| 17:15.34 | Knaledge | so I want to know if it screws anything up or at least, how do I unscrew it up if it does |
| 17:15.34 | Punkie` | or a relog |
| 17:15.59 | CIA-22 | 03mikk * r43858 10oRA2/ (. Optional/CoolDown.lua): |
| 17:15.59 | CIA-22 | oRA2: |
| 17:15.59 | CIA-22 | - Move cooldown data to db.realm so it doesn't go missing when you switch profiles |
| 17:16.00 | CIA-22 | - Display known cooldowns for people (re-)joining the raid |
| 17:16.00 | CIA-22 | - Make cooldowns display properly after a /reload |
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| 17:17.30 | Knaledge | ok see it's doing the same thing |
| 17:17.46 | Knaledge | when I hide ReputationWatchBar, MainMenuExpBar, and ExhaustionTick |
| 17:18.02 | Knaledge | it still leaves this gap between my top left/right action bars and my main action bar |
| 17:18.11 | Knaledge | is there any way to remove that |
| 17:18.16 | Knaledge | (the gap) |
| 17:18.33 | CIA-22 | 03cryect * r43859 10Recount/ (GUI_Config.lua GUI_Main.lua GUI_Report.lua Recount.lua): |
| 17:18.33 | CIA-22 | Recount -Changes % number on main window to add a decimal place |
| 17:18.33 | CIA-22 | -Add Whisper Target for Reporting |
| 17:18.33 | CIA-22 | -Adds new graphical based selection of bar textures in config window |
| 17:18.33 | CIA-22 | -Can now control row height & spacing in the config window |
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| 17:20.30 | Knaledge | Is there a way to remove that gap? |
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| 17:25.54 | Knaledge | damn I thought for sure one of you might know how |
| 17:25.59 | Knaledge | ah well |
| 17:26.30 | Fin | being in a channel on IRC does not necessarily equal currently reading that channel on IRC |
| 17:26.37 | Fin | btw :) |
| 17:27.11 | Knaledge | no big deal |
| 17:27.38 | Knaledge | I searched alot and apparently it's not something commonly requested anyhow so I wouldn't expect an answer |
| 17:27.46 | Knaledge | I just thought someone here might know given the experience, etc. |
| 17:28.01 | Mikk | there's probably a lot of people here that could figure it out if they wanted to |
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| 17:28.13 | Mikk | but it requires quite a bit of digging in framexml |
| 17:28.25 | Mikk | and probably a lot of wrapping & replacing framexml code |
| 17:28.27 | Knaledge | that's where that sort of thing would reside? |
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| 17:28.39 | Knaledge | because apparently ithas to do with pixel offset |
| 17:28.54 | Knaledge | someone wrote an addon where you typed /ha pixel 1 |
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| 17:29.15 | Knaledge | and it would create an offset of 1 pixel between the main menu bar and the top left/right action bars, if MainMenuExpBar was hidden |
| 17:29.26 | gmthor | \join #wowace |
| 17:29.32 | Mikk | well, you don't just want to glue the bars together either |
| 17:29.36 | Knaledge | but apparently that got screwed up by Blizzard auto-hiding the XP bar at level 60 (pre-TBC) and then fixed by this addon author |
| 17:29.47 | Knaledge | but then re-screwed up once TBC hit (becaus you know... 70 and all) |
| 17:29.51 | Knaledge | so he gave up |
| 17:29.52 | Mikk | then you're utterly screwed when you get a pet |
| 17:30.30 | kbh | get a barmod :P |
| 17:30.30 | Mikk | (including quests or raid encounters where you need to remote control stuff) |
| 17:30.30 | Mikk | or, hell, if you want to play tonks :P |
| 17:30.47 | Knaledge | ash I see because those bars would be replaced? |
| 17:30.57 | Knaledge | how does someone like bhaldie avoid that then? |
| 17:31.20 | Knaledge | it just seems like so simple a thing to want... there being no gap between the main actiobar and the top left/right action bars |
| 17:31.34 | Knaledge | but apparently it is something Blizzard doesn't like having touched |
| 17:31.38 | CIA-22 | 03cryect * r43860 10Recount/GUI_Main.lua: Recount - Will trim the end of a name for the bars on the main window if it overlaps with the right text |
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| 17:33.05 | Knaledge | Set the offset between Blizzard's second menu bars and the |
| 17:33.07 | Funkeh` | hi all |
| 17:33.21 | Knaledge | http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/536/ |
| 17:33.28 | Knaledge | apparently Bima did it but abandoned it |
| 17:33.43 | Knaledge | thats the one with /ha offset # |
| 17:33.55 | seba | can you take over his job ? |
| 17:34.01 | CIA-22 | 03cryect * r43861 10Recount/Recount_Modes.lua: Recount - Fixes a bug that occurs with displaying activity time being longer than 2 decimal places (occurs due to rounding errors) |
| 17:35.41 | Knaledge | I would if I knew how |
| 17:35.46 | kbh | is there a comment out for macros? |
| 17:35.50 | Knaledge | but he abandoned it for Bongos |
| 17:36.09 | seba | maybe use bongos yourself :p |
| 17:36.13 | CIA-22 | 03hegarol * r43862 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/burningcrusade.en.lua: |
| 17:36.13 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
| 17:36.13 | CIA-22 | - Typo fixed. |
| 17:36.41 | gmthor | i just finished programing a "ace updater" like tool. no gui. with unzip function and working on both windows and mac osx |
| 17:36.49 | gmthor | gmgroup.dyndns.org/wow |
| 17:36.59 | Knaledge | why no gui? |
| 17:37.08 | gmthor | cause i like my littel shell |
| 17:37.17 | gmthor | what do you need the gui for? |
| 17:37.26 | Knaledge | damn thats too bad.. MacAceUpdater is broken.. |
| 17:37.44 | Knaledge | so I can sort by addons I have installed, what revision, seeing a description of each |
| 17:37.51 | Knaledge | perhaps a clickable link to the site |
| 17:37.53 | Knaledge | etc. etc. |
| 17:38.08 | gmthor | clicking wastes so much time^^ and you only have to set it up once anyway |
| 17:38.13 | Knaledge | heh true |
| 17:38.19 | Knaledge | more power to you for making one |
| 17:40.33 | gmthor | it should be easy to use i belive but feel free to comment |
| 17:41.51 | Knaledge | heh I wouldnt know where to begin using command line on OSX |
| 17:42.16 | |Kev| | Knaledge: mau isn't broken |
| 17:42.27 | Knaledge | windows sure but I bought this Mac because my girlfriend needed it for photo editing for her business and for me it works as a windows machine |
| 17:42.29 | Knaledge | yeah it is |
| 17:42.29 | |Kev| | it doesn't have as many features as I'd like, but it works |
| 17:42.38 | Knaledge | you can't sort by rvision, mod name, installed or not |
| 17:42.56 | Knaledge | it overwrites files without backing them up |
| 17:43.01 | |Kev| | wrong |
| 17:43.04 | Knaledge | it doesn't delete all files when it does remove them, etc. |
| 17:43.15 | Knaledge | well, it just happened to me |
| 17:43.19 | Knaledge | so one of us is a liar lol |
| 17:43.19 | |Kev| | no, it didn't |
| 17:43.24 | |Kev| | or incompetent |
| 17:43.25 | Knaledge | ok Kev. |
| 17:43.31 | |Kev| | you just haven't noticed where it puts the backups |
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| 17:43.35 | Knaledge | yeah MAU is so hard to use... clicking a button |
| 17:43.37 | Knaledge | yes, I did |
| 17:43.40 | Knaledge | _backups |
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| 17:44.01 | Knaledge | but it didn't remove a lua file just the other day and it left some in a directory |
| 17:44.11 | Knaledge | dont know why |
| 17:44.21 | Knaledge | maybe it had to do with me installing and updating like 40+ addons |
| 17:44.22 | Kaelten | ~seen Neriak |
| 17:44.43 | purl | neriak <n=Neriak@dslb-084-059-060-173.pools.arcor-ip.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 188d 16h 5m 15s ago, saying: 'nn, guys'. |
| 17:44.43 | |Kev| | best guess is some permission error somewhere in the addons folder |
| 17:44.44 | |Kev| | because it does move the old folder out of the way before unzipping the new one |
| 17:44.45 | Knaledge | but either way, you cant sort, _at all_ |
| 17:44.50 | |Kev| | that's true |
| 17:45.07 | |Kev| | but that's hardly broken any more than it not playing the national anthem would make it broken |
| 17:45.11 | NightHawkTheSane | |Kev|: i kinda missed part of that convo, but unless it's changed, the changelogs are zipped with 000 permissions, which will cause issues. |
| 17:45.12 | |Kev| | it just doesn't have the feature yet |
| 17:45.29 | Knaledge | I've noticed it will also randomly not update to the latest revision |
| 17:45.56 | Knaledge | just yesterday I selected oRA2 and it kept selecting it for installation when I clicked on "select new updates" whatever |
| 17:46.03 | Knaledge | this is _after_ I clicked on "Refresh" |
| 17:46.15 | Knaledge | it's not consistently broken, but it does brea |
| 17:46.16 | Thrae | hm |
| 17:46.33 | |Kev| | are you on intel or ppc? |
| 17:46.38 | Knaledge | Intel |
| 17:46.59 | |Kev| | try http://www.kismith.co.uk/tmp/MacAceUpdater-0.4.dmg then |
| 17:47.06 | |Kev| | much more robust version handling |
| 17:47.27 | |Kev| | but for some reason I can't fathom, PPCs don't support it (even though it's universal), so I can't release it to the autoupdater |
| 17:47.43 | Knaledge | yeah the latest posted I could find was 0.3.2 |
| 17:47.49 | Knaledge | so that might be the issue? |
| 17:47.54 | |Kev| | r |
| 17:47.56 | Knaledge | I don't know what you've changed (assuming you're the author) |
| 17:48.09 | |Kev| | there's even a crash in 0.3.2, if you try hard enough (i.e. use specific versions of some addons) |
| 17:48.27 | |Kev| | I stupidly committed a patch someone submitted which made 'more robust version handling' without checking it well enough |
| 17:48.37 | |Kev| | where 'more robust' meant 'now with added crashes' |
| 17:48.41 | Knaledge | maybe I found an old link but I followed the rabbit hole link after link to find yours |
| 17:48.43 | Fin | kbh: I do /run -- to comment out macro lines |
| 17:48.54 | Knaledge | heh |
| 17:49.18 | Knaledge | if 0.4 is better it might be helpful to us Mac users to post that wherever |
| 17:49.26 | Knaledge | Ill see where I found 0.3.2 |
| 17:49.43 | |Kev| | I have linked to it from the issue tracker threads discussing the crashes |
| 17:49.45 | NightHawkTheSane | |Kev|: its not a crash, its just a reminder not to play as much. :D |
| 17:50.00 | |Kev| | but I can't put it anywhere someone on ppc might download it |
| 17:50.04 | |Kev| | because it runs just fine on ppc |
| 17:50.11 | |Kev| | apart from installing addons being a nullop |
| 17:50.26 | Fin | Knaledge: I just had an error as well about some file not being removed |
| 17:50.34 | kergoth | hmm, any decent addons that make the lfg system suck a bit less? |
| 17:50.44 | |Kev| | NightHawkTheSane: that could be |
| 17:50.46 | Fin | after updating the Subtitutions module in Prat |
| 17:50.46 | durcyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.59 | Fin | I checked http://svn.wowace.com/ to see if the file had been updated though, and it was |
| 17:51.06 | Fin | CIA-22 reported the update on IRC also |
| 17:51.09 | Fin | so I just left it |
| 17:51.10 | CIA-22 | 03cryect * r43863 10Recount/GUI_Main.lua: Recount - Can now right click on the title of the main window to change data display mode |
| 17:51.27 | Knaledge | @fin: not sure I mean... again I don't know how this stuff all works. Just reporting what I saw |
| 17:51.46 | |Kev| | NightHawkTheSane: I don't play very much as it is |
| 17:51.49 | Fin | er |
| 17:51.51 | Fin | hmm |
| 17:51.57 | NightHawkTheSane | |Kev|: delayed responses much? ;) |
| 17:51.59 | |Kev| | I had to give up my raiding spot so I'd have time to get fit etc |
| 17:52.06 | Fin | I think as far as getting hold of the wrong end of the stick goes, I might even have the wrong stick here |
| 17:52.08 | |Kev| | NightHawkTheSane: about quarter to three |
| 17:52.41 | Knaledge | Kev: http://code.google.com/p/macaceupdater/ |
| 17:52.53 | Fin | you're talking about updating your addons using a tool of some sort, not updating the addons in the SVN archive |
| 17:52.55 | Knaledge | that was linked to from the http://wowace.com/wiki/WowAceUpdater |
| 17:52.55 | |Kev| | I've spent all weekend preparing for RC2 for another (more major) project I run |
| 17:53.01 | |Kev| | Knaledge: that's the one |
| 17:53.26 | Knaledge | @fin: yeah I just am talking about updating on the user end |
| 17:53.27 | |Kev| | on my todo to make a better site, but as WAU is going to obsolete MAU now ( :'( ), I wonder if it's worth it |
| 17:53.47 | Knaledge | WAU is going to be obsolete?? |
| 17:53.49 | Knaledge | really?? |
| 17:53.52 | Fisker- | name good movies released this year or last year i can errr rent |
| 17:53.58 | Fisker- | not download illegally of course |
| 17:54.03 | |Kev| | Knaledge: no, WAU is going to make MAU obsolete |
| 17:54.03 | Fin | I thought you were talking about updating the SVN, got the wrong idea when skimming scrollback |
| 17:54.04 | Knaledge | a scanner darkly |
| 17:54.10 | Knaledge | ohoh |
| 17:54.13 | Knaledge | cross platform? |
| 17:54.16 | Fisker- | saw it Knaledge |
| 17:54.16 | |Kev| | yeah |
| 17:54.23 | Fin | that one with the guy... what's his name |
| 17:54.23 | Fisker- | didn't make much sense though |
| 17:54.29 | Knaledge | The Last Mimzy |
| 17:54.32 | |Kev| | especially if they go ahead rewriting it in C++/Qt |
| 17:54.33 | NightHawkTheSane | wau2 is java, and will supposedly work on os x. i dont know if it does currently though |
| 17:54.35 | |Kev| | then it'll even be native |
| 17:54.39 | Knaledge | although kiddish, the concepts are pretty fantastic |
| 17:54.46 | Fisker- | the last mimzy? :( |
| 17:55.04 | Fisker- | scores a 0/10 on the name atleast |
| 17:55.06 | Knaledge | yeah it's childish in a sense but it's pretty vivid and has a lot of "higher thinking" concepts |
| 17:55.12 | Knaledge | nah it's cool |
| 17:55.19 | Knaledge | like reading Narnia when grown up |
| 17:55.23 | Knaledge | it still holds some appeal |
| 17:55.28 | Knaledge | escapism, etc. |
| 17:55.55 | Knaledge | Stomp the Yard for just straight up entertainment value |
| 17:55.59 | Knaledge | that shit is FUNNY |
| 17:56.11 | Knaledge | no way a hetero male does anything liek that AT ALL if ever hoping to get laid |
| 17:56.12 | Fisker- | ah yes that reminds me |
| 17:56.23 | Fisker- | there was this quentin taratino movie |
| 17:56.26 | Fin | Stranger than Fiction, Children of Men |
| 17:56.28 | Fisker- | which was a movie in a movie or something |
| 17:56.30 | Fisker- | what was that called? |
| 17:56.33 | Fisker- | saw those Fin |
| 17:56.47 | Knaledge | The Fountain is pretty crazy |
| 17:56.55 | Knaledge | and if you want boobs, watch The Dreamers |
| 17:57.01 | Knaledge | good move, just lots of nip |
| 17:57.22 | Fin | The Fountain was crap I thought |
| 17:57.31 | Knaledge | really? I kind of liked it |
| 17:57.39 | Knaledge | wasn't expecting an "edning" just a good ride |
| 17:57.48 | Fin | that's it! that film with that guy - The Departed |
| 17:57.51 | Knaledge | also The Science of Sleep is pretty trippy |
| 17:58.27 | Knaledge | @ KEv: so MAU doesn't have an option set like WinAU? |
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| 17:59.07 | |Kev| | Knaledge: I don't know what you mean by option set |
| 17:59.19 | DesertDwarf | I have a problem with an independent button on my WOW screen. There's a message with screenshot at http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=61412&postcount=125. Can anybody think of something that will help me get rid of it? |
| 17:59.23 | Knaledge | well on the WoWAceUpdater page you can see all the options, etc. |
| 17:59.44 | |Kev| | there are only two option in MAU |
| 17:59.48 | Knaledge | MacAceUpdater doesn't present the user with those options (using externals, overwiting or not, etc.) |
| 17:59.50 | |Kev| | path to addons, and URL :) |
| 18:00.01 | Knaledge | yeah it works, just I'm an options kind of guy |
| 18:00.03 | Knaledge | no worries |
| 18:00.09 | |Kev| | externals is next on my list of things to do |
| 18:00.13 | Knaledge | just was curious if I was missing something , etc. |
| 18:00.19 | Knaledge | what is "externals" anyhow? |
| 18:00.25 | Knaledge | usefulness, etc. |
| 18:00.31 | |Kev| | I had a go at sortable columns btw, and most of the code's in place, but I don't know enough Cocoa magic to get it to work |
| 18:00.49 | Knaledge | maybe borrow from Adium? |
| 18:00.55 | Knaledge | they have a ton of sortable column stuff |
| 18:01.00 | Knaledge | and its all done via Cocoa |
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| 18:01.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Knaledge: "externals" are typically the libraries that an addon uses, which are specified via subversion externals, and are literally drawn from another part of the repository. |
| 18:01.11 | |Kev| | I've already stolen regexp code from colloquy :) |
| 18:01.37 | Knaledge | @NightHawk: ah ok |
| 18:01.50 | Knaledge | so that helps in cutting back on needed libraries ? |
| 18:01.59 | Knaledge | as far as... having to be packaged in the addons, however redundant? |
| 18:02.07 | |Kev| | something like that |
| 18:02.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Knaledge: yeah, if you download without externals, you (ideally), grab each library separate, and not embedded in the addon. SO you've only got one copy of each library |
| 18:02.29 | DesertDwarf | Knaledge: With externals means the libraries (which many ACE packages use) will be included literally inside the ace addon's own folder. Without externals means that the libraries will be located in a central place and allow all ACE addons to call them. |
| 18:02.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Knaledge: as far as performance in the game, it's a complete wash for performance, but its helpful for developing/debugging, so you only have to worry about one version of a library being loaded |
| 18:02.59 | Knaledge | and is that latter part not more efficient? |
| 18:03.06 | Knaledge | ah ok yeah |
| 18:03.29 | DesertDwarf | NightHawkTheSane: Well, it also saves a bit on disk space, doesn't it? |
| 18:03.41 | NightHawkTheSane | DesertDwarf: yes, if 20mb if disk space even matters anymore ;) |
| 18:03.41 | Knaledge | so it HAS been toyed with, having all libraries in a... "Ace" addon folder centrally and having all "Ace" addons (AtlasLoot, etc.) point to that directory? |
| 18:03.46 | DesertDwarf | NightHawkTheSane: Not that we're talking about a *lot*. :-D |
| 18:03.56 | Knaledge | but bandwidth I'm sure |
| 18:04.02 | Knaledge | that must definitely be a factor |
| 18:04.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Knaledge: maybe, but probably only slightly. |
| 18:04.32 | Knaledge | having a single package thats easily maintainble in "one click" rather than distributing the same mini sub package thousands of times must be a factor |
| 18:04.45 | Knaledge | true, I mean I've no idea how big some of these libraries truly are |
| 18:04.47 | DesertDwarf | Knaledge: Oh, yes. It's been around for quite a while. But, I use Windows, so it was available to me easily. |
| 18:05.18 | DesertDwarf | Knaledge: It was handled through !!!StandAloneLibraries. Not sure how they're doing it now as I haven't been following it as much lately. |
| 18:05.40 | Knaledge | 'm just curious whats on the table for Ace3, if you will |
| 18:05.48 | Knaledge | some evolution of practice? |
| 18:05.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Knaledge: really, the only advantage to running with externals disembedded is if you're actively developing/debugging. Otherwise there's really not many good reasons to bother. *shrug* |
| 18:05.58 | Knaledge | or just evolution of efficiency |
| 18:06.06 | Thrae | Ace3 -- Bigger, longer, and uncut. |
| 18:06.50 | Knaledge | I honestly still think it'd be tits to have a interactive site |
| 18:07.01 | DesertDwarf | NightHawkTheSane: Actually, there's another advantage. It can also make a difference on load times because each library has to be version-compared against an already loaded version of the same library...keeping/loading whichever one was newer automatically. |
| 18:07.07 | Knaledge | using cross platform baackends.. |
| 18:07.14 | Knaledge | and have a usr go there and "draw" an addon |
| 18:07.21 | Knaledge | compile it, and download it |
| 18:07.25 | NightHawkTheSane | DesertDwarf: that's only initial loading into the game. Happens once per login, so... i call that meaningless ;) |
| 18:07.28 | Thrae | Knaledge: There probably never will be an "Ace3". Instead, the Ace2 developers just keep adding stuff to the main Ace2.x. If something is removed, then it becomes Ace2.1, etc. |
| 18:07.28 | Knaledge | then "plug in" code |
| 18:08.18 | Mikk | Indeed. No Ace3 please. |
| 18:08.22 | Knaledge | heh |
| 18:08.26 | Mikk | Polishing existing code = win |
| 18:08.32 | Knaledge | agreed |
| 18:08.36 | DesertDwarf | So, any suggestions for my problem posted at http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=61412&postcount=125 ? |
| 18:08.39 | NightHawkTheSane | I polish my code all day long. *nod* |
| 18:08.58 | Mikk | IHNJ, IJLTS "polishing cods" |
| 18:09.30 | Thrae | If Ace3 were anything, it would be a huge reduction and/or abstraction of the current code, and that would confuse the hell out of people. The "Ace Mission" has changed since the beginning, and right now there's no need for 2-->3. |
| 18:10.33 | Birdemani | hey, quick question, and sorry if its dumb...but is there another mod like colalight that is a bit lighter on mem usage? |
| 18:10.54 | NightHawkTheSane | sellfish |
| 18:11.06 | Birdemani | thanks |
| 18:11.17 | Birdemani | has same functionality in the tooltips? |
| 18:11.20 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 18:12.13 | Birdemani | guess its on wowi? |
| 18:12.27 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 18:12.47 | Knaledge | tht or itempricetooltip |
| 18:12.51 | Knaledge | either one will work |
| 18:13.23 | Fatalis`timeout | anyone know the name of the addon that keeps track of Arathi Basin timers and periodically shows on /bg the time left till the team has control over the resource? |
| 18:13.43 | Knaledge | DBM |
| 18:13.48 | Knaledge | DeadlyBossMods |
| 18:13.51 | Birdemani | i just use battleground fu and detach the tooltip |
| 18:13.52 | Knaledge | just one of many that will do that |
| 18:14.51 | Knaledge | @Kev: thanks for the 0.4 link |
| 18:15.00 | Knaledge | looking forward to more updates when available :) |
| 18:15.26 | |Kev| | wtb: more time |
| 18:15.38 | Fisker- | Thrae we definately need Ace 3 |
| 18:15.38 | lolinternet | god damn it |
| 18:16.04 | sag_ich_nicht | anyone know how to configure omniCC to not hide the blizzard default cooldown indicator in the background? |
| 18:16.05 | Fisker- | and abillity to communicate and execute lua on the target machine without any rights |
| 18:16.06 | Fisker- | ! |
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| 18:16.29 | Knaledge | oo OmniCC |
| 18:16.31 | Knaledge | I like that addon |
| 18:16.42 | Knaledge | I think its one of the model settings in OmniCC |
| 18:16.47 | Knaledge | I asked that same question on Curse a while back |
| 18:17.36 | sag_ich_nicht | [20:16] <Knaledge> I think its one of the model settings in OmniCC <--i can only see one model setting, and it's on or off and seems to not do anything |
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| 18:20.52 | Mikk | Fisker-: I believe that's called "KTM" |
| 18:21.47 | CIA-22 | 03stormfx * r43864 10cyCircled/ (cyCircled.toc plugins/zBar.lua): |
| 18:21.47 | CIA-22 | cyCircled: |
| 18:21.48 | CIA-22 | - Added zBar plug-in. |
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| 18:22.44 | CIA-22 | 03saroz * r43865 10sRaidFrames/ (sRaidFrames.lua sRaidFramesOptions.lua): |
| 18:22.44 | CIA-22 | sRaidFrames: |
| 18:22.44 | CIA-22 | - Put StatusMaps into savedvariables. |
| 18:22.44 | CIA-22 | - Add Cloak of Shadows. |
| 18:22.50 | Birdemani | sigh, i need to creat a dkp system for my guild this week |
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| 18:25.07 | Mikk | Birdemani: grats |
| 18:25.12 | Birdemani | eh |
| 18:25.16 | Birdemani | more of a pain than anything else |
| 18:25.17 | Mikk | Use EPGP =) |
| 18:25.25 | Birdemani | epgp? |
| 18:25.27 | Mikk | (yeah, pain, hence the "grats" :P ) |
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| 18:25.57 | Mikk | http://code.google.com/p/epgp/ |
| 18:26.14 | Mikk | http://code.google.com/p/epgp/wiki/WhatIsEPGP_v2 |
| 18:26.27 | Fisker- | BIBLE FIGHT |
| 18:26.52 | Birdemani | will read that now, just spent the last few day setting up eqdkp for the forums |
| 18:27.05 | Mikk | huhu eqdkp |
| 18:28.33 | charon | anyone know if i can set up ArkInventory to _close_ if it's open and i hit the backpack button (just like blizzard did)? |
| 18:28.43 | Mikk | meh, i need to unlevel my coding huntard |
| 18:28.51 | Mikk | getting too many rfc invites :S |
| 18:29.17 | dodgizzla | Hm, I'm trying to get Quartz to show a timer for my Shadowfiend, but it seems, that "/cast Shadowfiend, /stopmacro [nopet], /quartztimer..." does not work. I suppose this is due to the game not registering fast enough that I summoned the shadowfiend. Or is there something blatantly wrong? |
| 18:29.48 | Mikk | correct |
| 18:30.01 | Mikk | you don't have the pet until your command has travelled back and forth to the server |
| 18:30.35 | dodgizzla | sucks :\ |
| 18:30.41 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 18:30.44 | sag_ich_nicht | following problem with BT3 |
| 18:30.52 | dodgizzla | Well then it'll show the timer even if Shadowfiend is on cooldown :D |
| 18:30.53 | sag_ich_nicht | in combination with omnicc |
| 18:30.56 | NightHawkTheSane | "Now, see, I miss that. I have no idea what he means, but I miss that." |
| 18:30.59 | Nosrac | lol |
| 18:31.04 | sag_ich_nicht | i am not getting the GCD default indicator shown on all bars |
| 18:31.06 | sag_ich_nicht | it works for some |
| 18:31.10 | sag_ich_nicht | but not all, i don't know why >< |
| 18:31.42 | Nosrac | sag_ich_nicht: are you sure that they actually have GCD? |
| 18:31.47 | Nosrac | Some spells don't |
| 18:32.03 | sag_ich_nicht | Nosrac: i am pretty sure that holy light is on the GCD :P |
| 18:32.06 | Nosrac | lol |
| 18:32.13 | Nosrac | I'd say so |
| 18:32.29 | Mikk | it wouldn't be the case that the spells that don't work are actually macros? |
| 18:32.54 | sag_ich_nicht | no it's not on per spell base |
| 18:32.58 | sag_ich_nicht | it's on per bar base |
| 18:33.07 | sag_ich_nicht | i can pull the spell to the other bar and there it shows the GCD |
| 18:34.04 | Nosrac | dodgizzla: You could ask nymbia if she will add in Shadowfiend ;-P |
| 18:34.33 | sag_ich_nicht | meh i'll see if reloadui fixes it |
| 18:36.17 | sag_ich_nicht | nope, still broken |
| 18:36.23 | Nosrac | >< |
| 18:36.27 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel care to help me? :( |
| 18:36.42 | Nosrac | sag_ich_nicht: Might be a bad version you have :-? |
| 18:36.46 | dodgizzla | Nosrac: I see |
| 18:36.52 | phirephly | Mikk: I got that add on working just fine. A few oddities that I think are related to some undocumented behavior in Blizzard's default language value assignment, but nothing that actually breaks it. |
| 18:36.57 | dodgizzla | nymbia: Will you add Shadowfiend to Quartz_Mirror? :D |
| 18:37.00 | Nosrac | lol |
| 18:37.14 | sag_ich_nicht | [20:36] <Nosrac> sag_ich_nicht: Might be a bad version you have :-? <--latest version and it was working before D: |
| 18:37.23 | sag_ich_nicht | i must have done something to break it |
| 18:37.24 | Nosrac | Hmmmm |
| 18:37.30 | sag_ich_nicht | but i can't imagine what |
| 18:37.31 | sag_ich_nicht | >-< |
| 18:38.09 | phirephly | Mikk: And I changed it from a global setting of the language of choice to a Hook of SendChatMessage where I set the language based on what has been set for that toon *for that chat mode* (say, yell, party, etc...). So it's configurable at that level now. |
| 18:38.14 | Nosrac | A new version of Ace 2 was released Yesterday, it's possible that did it |
| 18:38.20 | Nosrac | (sag_ich_nicht ) |
| 18:39.24 | sag_ich_nicht | nah |
| 18:39.27 | cladhaire | hey clad, great addon and theres just one suggestion I would like if at all possible. |
| 18:39.27 | cladhaire | Im in the process of making a minimalist full ace 2 addon pack and looking for most, if not all, mods to be in ace 2. This would also make it much easier for you to update and for others to use the winaceupdater to update this mod. |
| 18:39.30 | phirephly | That brings up a question. What do I have to do to keep my mod current in the light of updates to Ace2? |
| 18:39.46 | sag_ich_nicht | cladhaire |
| 18:39.53 | sag_ich_nicht | just flame him to death. |
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| 18:39.59 | cladhaire | nah |
| 18:40.02 | cladhaire | he was nice, actually =) |
| 18:40.06 | Nosrac | lol |
| 18:40.20 | cladhaire | just illustrates the post I made this morning, perfectly |
| 18:40.23 | sag_ich_nicht | also access to the wowace SVN is not limited to Ace addons >_> |
| 18:40.29 | cladhaire | aye |
| 18:40.43 | cladhaire | I just dont really want to move it over |
| 18:40.50 | Nosrac | lol |
| 18:41.01 | cladhaire | then i have to watch the commit logs for the whole svn, etc. |
| 18:41.08 | cladhaire | just make sure people don't mess with it =/ |
| 18:41.12 | Nosrac | lol |
| 18:41.19 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it |
| 18:41.26 | Nosrac | cladhaire You can request that you're the only one with permission to mess with it |
| 18:41.28 | sag_ich_nicht | someone help me with BT3 this is madness |
| 18:41.29 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 18:41.44 | Silviu- | sag_ich_nicht with ? |
| 18:42.04 | sag_ich_nicht | OmniCC and BT3 are kind of breaking each other |
| 18:42.20 | sag_ich_nicht | I don't get the blizzard default GCD or globalcooldown indicator anymore on some bars |
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| 18:42.46 | Silviu- | sag_ich_nicht verry strange at me all works :/ |
| 18:43.17 | cladhaire | sylvanaar: The issue you were having with Clique, was it selecting a profile, and having that change revert each login? |
| 18:43.35 | Strigoi|LR | hmm I have a little problem here: since couple of revisions back Violation stopped spying for SWStats data completely for me, even tried removing saved variables and reinstalling it... still in sync report i get "Combat log" and "Violation" reports only.. but on other hands allot of ppl say that it works fine for them, so i wonder if it could be some other addon which can affect on this? |
| 18:43.42 | Silviu- | sag_ich_nicht i use Bt3, OmniCC cycircled + vol and worls |
| 18:43.53 | trh | cladhaire: ask kaelten to change the access rights to that folder so only you can change it |
| 18:44.00 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 18:44.03 | sag_ich_nicht | disabled omnicc |
| 18:44.05 | sag_ich_nicht | still the same problem |
| 18:44.07 | Silviu- | works* |
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| 18:44.15 | sag_ich_nicht | i also have cycircled |
| 18:44.20 | sag_ich_nicht | it's the next thing i'm disabling |
| 18:44.51 | cladhaire | trh: yes, but I really prefer seperate svns for projects, and I'm happy at google code |
| 18:45.05 | phirephly | What do I have to do to keep my mod current in the light of updates to Ace2? |
| 18:45.18 | Mikk | phirephly: nothing |
| 18:45.23 | cladhaire | I'd rather we get an updater that can handle gcode, etc.. and some place (wowi) to host package files for the updater to use |
| 18:45.23 | Thrae | Nosrac, trh: That doesn't solve the problem of people not having the option to get a "stable" vs "testing" release, and to version minor revisions. |
| 18:45.24 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 18:45.40 | phirephly | Mikk: Hey, I'll stack my ability to do that up against anyone in the business. <grin> |
| 18:45.44 | trh | Thrae: true... wish the ace community/updater would use branches for that :) |
| 18:45.46 | Mikk | phirephly: the files.wowace scripts will automagically release "new" versions of your addon when its dependencies change |
| 18:45.55 | Nosrac | Thrae Yeah, I guess :-/ |
| 18:46.07 | phirephly | Mikk: Oh. I guess I ought to put it on files.wowace, then, right? |
| 18:46.13 | sag_ich_nicht | okay disabling cycircled fixed it |
| 18:46.18 | Mikk | phirephly: oh, erm. yeah :> |
| 18:46.26 | Silviu- | sag_ich_nicht http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot071507214539uj8.jpg |
| 18:46.39 | Lyfe | cladhaire: is there a list somewhere of mods stored on google code? |
| 18:46.56 | Mikk | phirephly: then again, you don't really need to.. if there's newer libs somewhere on a user's system, they'll be used instead. |
| 18:47.13 | phirephly | Ah. I guess that's true too. |
| 18:47.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Silviu-: i didn't doubt that it's working for you :P |
| 18:47.26 | Thrae | trh: Better to have /tag support then downloading from /branches. Versioning for minor revisions is done so they can be tested before merged into /trunk. Of course with the Wowace SVN, it's backwards, where /trunk is for minor revisions and /branches is for unstable testing, but eh |
| 18:47.28 | Silviu- | :) |
| 18:47.56 | phirephly | Just for grins, though, how do I upload to files.wowace.com? I went to the site, but I can't see any "upload files" link. |
| 18:47.57 | cladhaire | Lyfe: we could make one |
| 18:48.04 | cladhaire | just need a server that can host a simple XML file |
| 18:48.11 | cladhaire | or what have you |
| 18:48.16 | sag_ich_nicht | phirephly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVN |
| 18:48.17 | cladhaire | and use that to grab em |
| 18:48.19 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 18:48.24 | sag_ich_nicht | click the subversion link there |
| 18:48.28 | sag_ich_nicht | and learn about the magics of SVN :P |
| 18:48.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Pheredhel: files.wowace is auto-generated from /trunk in the svn repo. |
| 18:48.38 | trh | Thrae: branches for stable versions would have to advantage to make small stability improvements to to the release branch etc. |
| 18:48.50 | trh | Thrae: that'd get a bit more "eeky" with tags |
| 18:48.53 | Mikk | And, yes, WAU will be reading from /tags later |
| 18:49.03 | Lyfe | cladhaire: well, you also probably need a server with a script to go check for updates to the various projects, unless google code has a way to have their system do something. (email or whatnot?) |
| 18:49.06 | Mikk | If you want a stable branch, you can branch that off and maintain there, and do your tags from that |
| 18:49.16 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.35 | cladhaire | Lyfe: Even if it just used svn directly to download the addons, that would be nice. Or I can manually zip the files |
| 18:49.41 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 18:49.47 | cladhaire | the point is, there needs to be the desire, and we need a central server to host those "package" files |
| 18:49.57 | Thrae | Mikk: Right, but because of how the zip script works for Wowace SVN, /trunk on the wowace SVN is better used for putting minor revisions. |
| 18:50.16 | Mikk | That will be changed though |
| 18:50.29 | Mikk | files.wowace was intended as a way to push out betas. it kinda grey |
| 18:50.29 | Mikk | grew* |
| 18:50.58 | Lyfe | cladhaire: well, what i meant was that unless the client for searching/downloading these mods goes and checks out each mod's information for whether or not it has been updated, then the server must do this process instead, and then there's less work on google's side. (not to mention a hopefully quicker response time for clients) |
| 18:51.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Mikk: well, more as a way to offload some of the load from people updating directly from the svn repo |
| 18:51.10 | Thrae | Mikk: Well some prominent developers, like ckknight, only want to use /trunk and do not want to bother with /tags or /branches. |
| 18:51.31 | Lyfe | cladhaire: where, the 'server' is server that hosts this theoretical list. |
| 18:51.37 | Mikk | Well, if ckknight doesn't want to use /tags, he'll never get his shit released. Too bad. |
| 18:51.50 | sylvanaar | you know sometimes the best way to get something done is to lead by example |
| 18:51.50 | Lyfe | cladhaire: i'm actually interested in the idea, but i'm curious just how much is involved in doing it. |
| 18:51.54 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it |
| 18:51.55 | Mikk | NightHawkAtWork: indeed. which was used for beta testing. |
| 18:51.56 | sag_ich_nicht | still broken |
| 18:52.04 | Thrae | Mikk: ckknight said he'll fight anything where /trunk isn't included in WAU |
| 18:52.05 | cladhaire | Lyfe: Nah, think of it as an RSS feed |
| 18:52.09 | cladhaire | it would be easy client side to make it work |
| 18:52.18 | Mikk | He can fight that as much as he likes. It's going to happen. |
| 18:52.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: ckknight can suck it if he doesn't like it. it's idiotic, but meh |
| 18:52.32 | Thrae | ~emulate ckknight |
| 18:52.33 | purl | <@ckknight> if I do it just for myself, there's no one to gloat to |
| 18:52.42 | Mikk | As often as he breaks shit, /tags would be a blessing |
| 18:52.44 | Thrae | Mikk: All of those quotes are from this exact discussion ;) |
| 18:53.01 | Thrae | ~literal emulate ckknight |
| 18:53.01 | purl | "emulate ckknight" is "<reply><@ckknight> nah, then there's no point, I do this mostly for the power trip || <reply><@ckknight> if I do it just for myself, there's no one to gloat to || <reply><@ckknight> what do I get out of it? || <reply><@ckknight> f*ck the regular users? || <reply><@ckknight> f*ck you, guy || <reply><@ckknight> You know why? Because you touch ... |
| 18:53.04 | Silviu- | sag_ich_nicht back up your bartender3 wtf file delete it and start fresh see if it fixes it ;) |
| 18:53.30 | sag_ich_nicht | Silviu-: it took for fucking ever to configure it like it is atm |
| 18:54.14 | Mikk | One important difference here is that ckk is what.. 17 years old and has zero experience with professional software development. And he's fighting people twice his age, with LOTS of professional software development experience. Kinda an uphill battle :P |
| 18:54.16 | sag_ich_nicht | i think i know what is causing this too |
| 18:54.19 | sylvanaar | you guys have the wrong approach |
| 18:54.27 | sag_ich_nicht | and i think i know how to fix it, too. |
| 18:54.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Mikk: more or less, yeah |
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| 18:54.53 | Thrae | Mikk: Errr, ckknight is 17? I think he's a lot older then that... |
| 18:55.05 | Mikk | seemed to remember something along those lines? |
| 18:55.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: actually i think he's 19 |
| 18:55.12 | Mikk | ok my bad :OP |
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| 18:55.21 | sylvanaar | make something work, start using it, and leave everyone else to make up their own mind |
| 18:55.22 | trh | i thought he was a little older |
| 18:55.38 | NightHawkTheSane | but the point remains, he is still in college, and doubtful he's had many years doing professional development in the "real world" *shrug* |
| 18:55.40 | Thrae | Damn, no wonder he has so much free time |
| 18:55.49 | sag_ich_nicht | found the bug |
| 18:55.53 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't know WHAT caused it |
| 18:56.11 | sag_ich_nicht | but something created an entry for the bartender bars in layout-cache.txt a framelevel of 3 |
| 18:56.17 | sag_ich_nicht | which is completely wrong |
| 18:56.24 | dodgizzla | Hm, how come Buffalo is up to ~2mb memory wise :\ |
| 18:56.58 | phirephly | K. I sent the request for an account off. I'll post it if/when I get clearance to. |
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| 18:57.02 | Silviu- | Buffalo or Buffalo2 ? |
| 18:57.37 | NuSkooler | Is it possible to make templates (e.g. a list view template) in pure lua or do i have to use xml as well? |
| 18:57.41 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm, speaking of buffalo, is buffalo2 significantly better than the original? |
| 18:58.01 | Thrae | NuSkooler: Besides loading files using <Script, everything you can do in XML you can do in Lua. |
| 18:58.35 | sylvanaar | you cant make templates can you? |
| 18:58.39 | Silviu- | I played a little with Buffalo2 then got angry cause i got a lot of wrong icons for spells and installed Ebbs and now i`m happy with it |
| 18:58.55 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Sure you can -- except you use a function ;) |
| 18:59.07 | NuSkooler | is a template just another way of saying "inherits from" ? |
| 18:59.17 | NuSkooler | i mean, i can make a class an inherit others from it... |
| 18:59.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i've been using buffalo for ages and i've been happy with it, so i haven't seen much reason to switch |
| 18:59.50 | Thrae | NuSkooler: To make "virtual templates", you just make a function which returns the frame. But if you want that to be inherited using inherits=, then you -will- need to do XML. However, any addon that uses inherits= for anything other then FrameXML is stupid. |
| 19:01.14 | Thrae | NuSkooler: A function is far more versatile then a virtual template. So you can just do Frame = CreateMyFrameFoo(parent) |
| 19:01.59 | sylvanaar | i wonder what the difference is implementation-wise |
| 19:02.24 | cladhaire | the automatic inheritance of scripts |
| 19:02.28 | sylvanaar | right |
| 19:02.39 | Thrae | sylvanaar: The entire virtual template is kept in a table probably, and still needs to be parsed |
| 19:02.43 | cladhaire | you have to manage that all on your own |
| 19:02.53 | sylvanaar | and they are the same code too |
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| 19:06.29 | sylvanaar | i make templates in xml, that still seems like the best way imho |
| 19:06.40 | cladhaire | its built for it, for sure |
| 19:07.56 | sylvanaar | its sorta like Window Classes (the Win32 meaning) |
| 19:09.28 | sylvanaar | which has nothing at all to do with OO, just an unfortunate naming |
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| 19:15.22 | Bibi | any know if there is a babble lib for stats, itembonuses, etc ? couldn't find it ? |
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| 19:16.04 | CIA-22 | WeaponRebuff: |
| 19:16.04 | CIA-22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.04 | CIA-22 | - Bugfix: Warning Alerts not always processing properly |
| 19:16.04 | CIA-22 | - Cleanup: Removed checking code that didn't need to be checked |
| 19:16.04 | CIA-22 | - Cleanup: Disused localization strings removed -- if anyone ever offers to do translations, localizations will be expanded to more strings |
| 19:16.09 | CIA-22 | - Bugfix: Buff lost from 2handers sounds alerts for main hand and off hand |
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| 19:16.51 | Thrae | Bibi: Check GlobalStrings.lua in FrameXML |
| 19:17.13 | NuSkooler | can Waterfall-1.0 have custom entries -- like could i have a "page" with my own object types in it or do i have to stick to the "text", "execute", etc. types ? |
| 19:17.30 | Cheads | hmm on the sourceforge WAU download page.. it says "Below is a list of all files released by this project. Before downloading, you may want to read Release Notes" but where are those release notes? =) |
| 19:17.39 | Mikk | NuSkooler: Waterfall has an API where you can insert whatever you want, but it's not documented |
| 19:17.41 | Bibi | Thrae : thanks |
| 19:18.15 | sylvanaar | Cheads I dont know - noone volunteered to write them |
| 19:18.22 | Cheads | oki =) |
| 19:18.38 | Cheads | was just curious |
| 19:18.47 | Mikk | sylvanaar: that might be because you're the only one that knows what's actually going into each release? :P |
| 19:18.49 | sylvanaar | I asked many times, but noone wants to help |
| 19:19.06 | sylvanaar | Mikk i can code or document - not both |
| 19:19.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 19:19.24 | NightHawkTheSane | man, i wish real software development worked like that |
| 19:19.27 | sylvanaar | it does |
| 19:19.32 | NightHawkTheSane | no, it doesn't. |
| 19:19.54 | Mikk | no, not in any workplace i've ever been. coders do have to outline what they've done somewhere. |
| 19:19.59 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 19:20.02 | sylvanaar | an outline |
| 19:20.16 | sylvanaar | FOR the technical writers |
| 19:20.30 | Fin | hey, I can say from personal experience that sylvanaar is willing to explain stuff to anyone else who wants to help |
| 19:20.32 | NuSkooler | "documentation" isn't in the vocab where i work =p |
| 19:20.52 | NightHawkTheSane | thats still documentation though. |
| 19:21.08 | NightHawkTheSane | technical writers are just idiots they hire so the general public has some idea what you're talking about. :P |
| 19:21.17 | Mikk | then again, most people around here just put in "bugfix" when they commit |
| 19:21.25 | Mikk | so it's not like sylv's in bad company :P |
| 19:21.33 | sylvanaar | You want docs - write them, i'll help |
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| 19:21.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Mikk: true :P |
| 19:22.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Hey, fucked if i care about docs. I'm just saying you're fooling yourself if you think you don't have any responsibility to write them. |
| 19:22.28 | Mikk | Granted, if the svn commit notes are detailed enough |
| 19:22.31 | pakoz2 | whats the new wau.exe thing? |
| 19:22.32 | Mikk | You could just extract from there |
| 19:22.42 | Mikk | pakoz2: new? |
| 19:22.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Mikk: yeah, a couple places i've done have more or less done just that. One guy would grab the svn logs, and "pretty them up" ;) |
| 19:22.58 | pakoz2 | ya 1 sec |
| 19:22.59 | Chompers | some guy in the arena just wisped me 'faggot' :S |
| 19:23.06 | Chompers | what's the point in doing that? :S |
| 19:23.12 | Fin | people who contribute to free stuff like addons and addon tools shouldn't have *any* requirements whatsoever, other than responsibility to not actually fuck stuff up for users, and fix it when that happens |
| 19:23.31 | pakoz2 | well now its like a webbrowser install |
| 19:23.42 | pakoz2 | but earlier today i saw netinstall.exe on the list |
| 19:24.04 | Cheads | sylvanaar hmm when I download the WowAceUpdater-1.9.42-bin.zip and start it.. it says 1.9.29 |
| 19:24.12 | sylvanaar | yeah - thats what i get for investing my free time - the choice not to spend it documenting (which i hate) |
| 19:24.27 | Fin | you just can't complain that the free stuff they're getting just isn't professional enough |
| 19:24.34 | Fin | s/they/you/ |
| 19:24.35 | pakoz2 | same for me, and the program is telling me to go update |
| 19:24.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: eh, if you go out of your way to say that software is provided "as is" with no documentation/support/etc, then you can argue that. But once you alude to, link to, or otherwise indicate that documentation/support should exist, you implicitly have a requirement to supply it.: P |
| 19:24.44 | Fin | -just |
| 19:24.47 | sylvanaar | yeah, my build script is messed up since i changed to oneclick |
| 19:25.18 | pakoz2 | so we should use this web browser install now instead? |
| 19:25.21 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 19:25.23 | Fin | NightHawkTheSane: why on earth should you have to go out of your way to say that? are you stupid or something? that's like putting warning on knives: may cause bleeding |
| 19:25.52 | sylvanaar | Frankly - my opinion - is why isnt someone helping with the documentation |
| 19:25.53 | Cheads | ok sylvanaar great work you are doing on WAU |
| 19:25.56 | Fin | it's free, it's better than what you had before, and the author is doing you a favour by letting you use it: you have no right to demand anything mroe |
| 19:25.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: okay, poorly phrased, by "out of your way" i meant one line in a readme, or what have you. |
| 19:26.01 | pakoz2 | damn |
| 19:26.02 | Fin | r> |
| 19:26.24 | pakoz2 | that browser plugin is mighty convenient |
| 19:26.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: but the points stands, once you indicate that documentation/support is available, you have an implicit requirement to provide it. |
| 19:26.35 | Fin | NightHawkTheSane: I agree it would be nice and I think some sort of documentation should be provided - but if it's not, we really don't have any right to bitch about it |
| 19:27.01 | NightHawkTheSane | (I feel I have a right to bitch about everything. ;P ) |
| 19:27.35 | Cheads | getting tired of all the bitching.. just enjoy other people's free work |
| 19:27.51 | Fin | sometimes I have to wonder why people actually release stuff though, if they hate users so much why bother doing it |
| 19:28.01 | NuSkooler | Mikk: Any idea where to find this custom stuff in Waterfall-1.0, or a AddOn that uses such ? |
| 19:28.27 | Fin | anyhoo |
| 19:28.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: most likely, its the fact that they did something because they wanted to, and decided to provide it on a whim, not realizing all the things that a release will bring with it :P |
| 19:29.11 | Fin | NightHawkTheSane: weeeell.. that's fair enough up to a certain point :) |
| 19:29.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Which is why I avoid releasing the things I do. |
| 19:29.28 | sylvanaar | ahaha |
| 19:29.42 | sylvanaar | now THAT is the kicker |
| 19:30.44 | Mikk | NuSkooler: Baggins uses the custom Waterfall APIs, but it's not enabled by default yet because it's in development |
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| 19:31.46 | Fin | unfortunately that way you don't get any fame or glory - personally I'm a sucker for flattery |
| 19:31.54 | Fin | just think it has to be earned |
| 19:31.58 | NuSkooler | ok thank you |
| 19:32.46 | Fin | on the flip side I hate self-promotion |
| 19:32.53 | Fin | hmm |
| 19:33.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: yeah. I've never really been significantly drawn by fame/glory/whatever. |
| 19:33.22 | NightHawkTheSane | It's in the "that'd be neat, but I don't feel like working for it" category. :P |
| 19:33.25 | Fin | self-promotion is OK, actually, but there's a limit |
| 19:33.38 | NightHawkTheSane | I loath self-promotion, actually |
| 19:33.39 | Fin | it's OK to let people know about something you think might be useful to others |
| 19:33.43 | Mikk | http://pastey.net/70853 <- Remind me why we shun tables and prefer lots of table keys again? |
| 19:33.54 | Mikk | ^ Yeah, you really want to read it! |
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| 19:34.17 | Fin | Mikk: read speed? |
| 19:34.41 | Fin | Mikk: now put a loop in there that checks for the existence of a key in the last table |
| 19:34.49 | Fin | and report the CPU usage / time |
| 19:35.13 | Mikk | Hm? My point was that lots of little tables is obviously preferable |
| 19:35.20 | Mikk | The all-in-one table uses fuckloads more RAM |
| 19:35.53 | Mikk | This is stark contrast to common programming practices here, where people shun little tables in favor of lots of named keys |
| 19:35.55 | Fin | but how do you ever get data out of the table? |
| 19:36.15 | Kemayo | Fin: If you could get data out of the second example, you could get data out of the third. |
| 19:36.20 | Fin | you have a table with a list of names, how do you check if a name is already listed? |
| 19:36.26 | Kemayo | All you have to know is the number-pair you're looking for. |
| 19:36.27 | kergoth | of course it uses a lot of ram, doesnt a table grow in factors of two? |
| 19:36.45 | Mikk | Well, everyone's whinging about how much RAM extra tables use |
| 19:36.49 | Fin | I'm not |
| 19:36.49 | Mikk | 40 bytes is a lot? |
| 19:37.02 | Kemayo | I should have listed those examples the other way around, really. |
| 19:37.21 | kergoth | i dont see the problem in making new tables as long as it isnt in a critical path |
| 19:37.36 | Shirik | wow what did I miss |
| 19:37.45 | Mikk | well, no, you shouldn't be creating and destroying tables en masse every frame |
| 19:37.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Mikk's challenging the man! |
| 19:37.52 | Shirik | yes you should! |
| 19:38.02 | Shirik | 100 table memory churn per OnUpdate call minimum |
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| 19:38.12 | Shirik | otherwise your addon doesn't do enough to be called useful |
| 19:38.14 | Mikk | but i'm seeing lots of code where little tables are avoided in favor of lots of named keys instead |
| 19:38.22 | Shirik | named keys are incredibly fast, though |
| 19:38.25 | Shirik | faster than indexing, actually |
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| 19:38.35 | Mikk | like to keep track of arguments for callbacks |
| 19:38.42 | Mikk | myfunc = ref to function |
| 19:38.43 | Mikk | myfuncarg1 = arg 1 |
| 19:38.47 | Mikk | myfuncarg2 = arg 2 |
| 19:38.51 | Mikk | myfuncarg3 = arg3 |
| 19:38.56 | Shirik | ... huh? |
| 19:39.08 | Mikk | and then clever recursive code to wrap those args back up to a comma separated list |
| 19:39.14 | Shirik | ow.. |
| 19:39.25 | Mikk | where obviously it'd use LESS ram to just dump the args in a subtable |
| 19:39.26 | Shirik | Anyway, Mikk, if what you did works and you can't see any noticable performance drop, go for it |
| 19:39.29 | Fin | and that doesn't take up more memory? |
| 19:39.45 | Mikk | the lots-of-named-args approach uses more memory. by far. |
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| 19:39.49 | Mikk | like my pastey showed |
| 19:40.01 | Shirik | Mikk: But memory isn't everything |
| 19:40.02 | Mikk | http://pastey.net/70853 <- again, subtables win? |
| 19:40.21 | Shirik | just playing devil's advocate here, but I don't give a damn about memory in Lua. I still try to keep its usage to a minimum when possible but |
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| 19:40.29 | Fin | honestly Mikk, I hadn't noticed that everyone was talking about memory usage of lots of named keys vs big tables, but I would've thought that's sort of obvious - I'm probably just missing something though |
| 19:40.33 | Shirik | people have enough memory, it's CPU time you should be worrying about |
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| 19:40.45 | Shirik | and tables are slow |
| 19:40.50 | Mikk | Shirik: no, but i'm willing to bet that a recursive function that creates strings to use as table keys and looks them up one by one is slower than the built-in table cruncher |
| 19:41.05 | Shirik | possible, again I have no evidence to back up my point, nor am I neccessarily advocating it |
| 19:41.10 | Fin | Shirik: that's sort of what I reckon as well, but it's more about what's done with big chunks of memory |
| 19:41.16 | Shirik | nor have I looked at your pastey yet >< that site kills my computer |
| 19:41.20 | Shirik | on dialup at least |
| 19:41.24 | Fin | use lynx |
| 19:41.32 | Mikk | sec, i'll put it in a .txt file |
| 19:41.38 | Shirik | don't think I have lynx on cygwin |
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| 19:41.49 | Kemayo | Shirik: I imagine that Mikk's example 2 and 3 wind up being roughly equivalent in access times. 2 requires two table lookups, while 3 requires one table lookup and a function call / concat. |
| 19:41.53 | Shirik | hm, maybe I could telnet to it ^^ |
| 19:41.53 | Fin | I do, there's w3m and links available as well in the setup |
| 19:42.10 | Mikk | Shirik: http://mikk.cjb.net/pastey70853.txt |
| 19:42.11 | Fin | pff |
| 19:42.22 | Shirik | <3 |
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| 19:42.24 | Mikk | And the kind of code I'm talking about is http://www.wowwiki.com/getArgs |
| 19:42.37 | Mikk | Which is common in lots of ace related libs |
| 19:42.40 | Kemayo | (Actually, 3 is almost certainly slower. string.format is very, very slow.) |
| 19:43.05 | Shirik | well yeah but in normal cases I don't think you'd be using that |
| 19:43.12 | Mikk | okay, what would you be using instead? |
| 19:43.15 | Shirik | BUT there is a flaw in your test |
| 19:43.20 | Mikk | | "boo"..i | ? |
| 19:43.37 | Shirik | if I can't write out the names without a loop, I wouldn't be doing it |
| 19:43.43 | Shirik | because creating strings like that eats a ton of memory |
| 19:43.49 | Shirik | that's where most of that memory you're talking about is going |
| 19:43.54 | Shirik | string.format is eating up a ton |
| 19:44.04 | Kemayo | Shirik: strings are cached, no? Not many strings are actually being created. |
| 19:44.10 | Mikk | the created strings are eating up a ton yeah |
| 19:44.14 | Shirik | _whole_ strings are cached |
| 19:44.23 | Shirik | but when you're creating so many like that, they're all different |
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| 19:44.34 | Fin | Mikk: I like that style of functionnery as well, but I don't bother most of the time unless what I'm doing hits a certain level of complexity |
| 19:44.39 | Shirik | which is why you should use a numerical index there |
| 19:44.54 | Fin | if it's over 5.8 complexity |
| 19:45.13 | Mikk | actually, my test is somewhat borked tbh |
| 19:45.17 | Mikk | i'll change it |
| 19:45.31 | Shirik | string.format pushes it quite a bit off, but your point is still there |
| 19:45.32 | Mikk | to better match the real world |
| 19:45.33 | Shirik | and it makes sense |
| 19:45.44 | Fin | I reckon you should be able to visualise data structures in your head |
| 19:45.57 | Mikk | i can, what's your point? |
| 19:46.33 | Shirik | but if a function only returned, say, 5 values, I can easily write that out by hand. I'd (potentially) rather use named indexes there because they're faster |
| 19:46.33 | Fin | well, that's why it's obvious what your tests show |
| 19:46.38 | Shirik | BUT... this is extremely vague |
| 19:46.44 | Shirik | there's the right tool for every job |
| 19:46.51 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik |
| 19:46.52 | Shirik | naturally you'd need to find a balance |
| 19:46.54 | Shirik | no |
| 19:47.11 | sag_ich_nicht | the RDX SVN rev 281 is bugging on character creation :P |
| 19:47.16 | Shirik | oh? what's wrong |
| 19:47.17 | Fin | hey! the data structure I'm visualising right now is shaped like a penis |
| 19:47.21 | Shirik | .... |
| 19:47.25 | Fin | and a pair of boobies! |
| 19:47.32 | Shirik | got an error message for me? |
| 19:47.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: just go try it out, it errors, i don't have the error message anymore |
| 19:47.39 | sag_ich_nicht | lemme check |
| 19:47.42 | Shirik | I can't >< |
| 19:47.42 | sag_ich_nicht | maybe it's still in bugsack |
| 19:47.53 | Shirik | did you override RDX's error handler? |
| 19:48.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: a hermaphroditic data structure? |
| 19:48.13 | Fin | NightHawkTheSane: it's certainly confused |
| 19:48.15 | Shirik | I wish there were a geterrorhandler() so I could just hook error handlers instead of overriding |
| 19:49.15 | sylvanaar | mikk, why did you use string format, am i behind in the conversation |
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| 19:50.44 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik i was too lazy to create a pastey, gave it to you in query :P |
| 19:50.51 | sag_ich_nicht | happened when i created a NE rogue |
| 19:51.08 | sylvanaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.09 | Shirik | yeah |
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| 19:51.18 | Shirik | you can't disable RDXM_Class, it's worthless for now |
| 19:51.21 | Shirik | can* |
| 19:51.42 | Mikk | sylvanaar: that's worse |
| 19:51.45 | sylvanaar | whay |
| 19:51.55 | Shirik | actually I think it's RDXC_HealerAssignments causing the problem but the fact remains that neither will do anything |
| 19:52.06 | sylvanaar | lua optimizes that to a table.concat |
| 19:52.10 | Shirik | and disabling RDXM_Class will disable all RDXC_ modules |
| 19:52.14 | Mikk | string..string <- best |
| 19:52.31 | Mikk | string.format("%s%d", string, num) <- best if you have a number in there |
| 19:52.44 | Mikk | string..num <- uses 50% more cpu and twice the RAM |
| 19:52.44 | sylvanaar | string...string...string...string...string..string |
| 19:53.04 | Mikk | yes but i had a number now didn't i |
| 19:53.11 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 19:53.15 | ZealotOnAStick | shirik, question for ya . . . |
| 19:53.15 | sylvanaar | but still calling tosting |
| 19:53.18 | Shirik | no |
| 19:53.24 | Shirik | sylvanaar: ... ? |
| 19:53.26 | Mikk | the problem with concatting numbers is that it does an implicit tostring() before concat |
| 19:53.33 | Shirik | ZealotOnAStick: heh what's up |
| 19:53.56 | Mikk | string.format doesn't have that problem |
| 19:54.00 | ZealotOnAStick | Shirik: in a nutshell, how would you summarize the differences between RDX6 and RDX-Cid? |
| 19:54.14 | Shirik | I haven't seen RDX6 so it's not fair for me to compare |
| 19:54.16 | sylvanaar | Mikk can you show it relative to your other tests |
| 19:54.28 | Shirik | have you seen both RDX5 and RDX6? |
| 19:54.55 | Shirik | If so, RDX5 and RDX.Cid are extremely similar. Most notably it's fuller and has a new theme (or themes, rather) |
| 19:54.59 | ZealotOnAStick | no, wouldn't be asking the question if so. My guild leader recently found out about RDX, and asked me to find out more. |
| 19:55.13 | Shirik | hm, well |
| 19:55.45 | Shirik | RDX6 has some pretty cool stuff, but we have no intention of copying it. But the general purpose of both is the same. In some cases, both accomplish the same things in different ways |
| 19:56.04 | Shirik | for example, RDX6 has omniscience, whereas RDX.Cid (will) has BattleRecorder |
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| 19:56.26 | Shirik | both are extremely different in how they accomplish their goals, but in the end they allow for reviewing a battle after the fact and learning information quickly |
| 19:56.47 | Shirik | The coolest thing about RDX6 I think is its OOBE |
| 19:56.59 | Mikk | sylvanaar: i've already tested that. i don't need to test it again. |
| 19:57.04 | Mikk | i KNOW that it generates more garbage |
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| 19:57.19 | Shirik | a guild leader can put together a package of RDX6 and then distribute it to all members. When they start it up the first time, they run through a setup that ensures the guild knows they have what they need |
| 19:57.48 | Shirik | RDX.Cid doesn't have that but may at some point. Cidan and I are focusing on rewriting the windows system for the fourth time now, for v11, though, so that's a bit of a low priority |
| 19:58.16 | Shirik | hi Bam__ |
| 19:58.41 | Bam__ | you are planning a rewrite of VFL? |
| 19:58.50 | Shirik | we hope to not touch it |
| 19:58.58 | Shirik | we've extended it, but kept that in a separate file (RDX/VFL.lua) |
| 19:59.05 | Bam__ | ah |
| 19:59.20 | ZealotOnAStick | what's VFL?\ |
| 19:59.21 | Shirik | at some point, we might, but that will be way down the road. Again, we have much higher priorities currently ^^; |
| 19:59.59 | Shirik | venificius function library, an open-source library for addons which RDX uses |
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| 20:00.46 | Bam__ | I have not had much time yet to look at it.. but it does look interesting :) |
| 20:01.00 | sylvanaar | Mikk so table.concat is worse that string.format |
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| 20:01.20 | Shirik | sylvanaar: There's an easy way we can test this :) |
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| 20:02.22 | Bam__ | oh you might be interested in my recent discoveries about string concatenations... I had a talk with Rici about it... it seems that Blizzard has made the concatenation operator perform extremely poorly |
| 20:02.43 | Bam__ | in fact, in most cases you are better off using library functions like string.format |
| 20:03.17 | sylvanaar | ok, that would explain the otherwise unexplainable |
| 20:03.28 | Bam__ | so if you do some performance testing.. make sure you do it in-game and not in standalone Lua.. they differ immensely on this |
| 20:03.54 | Cryect | thats amusing |
| 20:04.24 | Bam__ | when I say "extremely poor", it's of course relative... no need to worry about it if you do it a few times only :) |
| 20:04.57 | Cryect | Yeah, I would assume its only an issue if you did it inside a large loop that occured somewhat frequently :-p |
| 20:05.29 | Bam__ | yea.. also, explicit conversion using tostring() is much faster than the implicit conversions |
| 20:05.50 | Bam__ | again.. everything is relative :P |
| 20:06.09 | Fin | interesting |
| 20:06.12 | Cryect | hmmm does implicit trigger an error or something I wonder to convert |
| 20:06.36 | Bam__ | on nil it does yea |
| 20:06.44 | sylvanaar | http://ace.pastey.net/70857 |
| 20:07.13 | sylvanaar | its just wierd unless the concat is costly |
| 20:07.15 | Shirik | lua> print("foo"..tostring(nil)); print("foo"..nil) |
| 20:07.18 | Shirik | gr |
| 20:07.38 | Bam__ | erm what are the sources? :) |
| 20:07.42 | Shirik | > print("foo"..tostring(nil)); print("Foo"..nil) |
| 20:07.42 | Shirik | foonil |
| 20:07.42 | Shirik | stdin:1: attempt to concatenate a nil value |
| 20:07.45 | Cryect | The one thing that really bugs me is why does the cost of some stuff seem to increase a ton when you enable profiling in WoW |
| 20:07.48 | Shirik | there's the difference ;) |
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| 20:08.05 | Cryect | Profiling seems more expensive than it should be |
| 20:08.06 | Shirik | Cryect: Blizzard even said that was going to happen |
| 20:08.14 | Cryect | Shirik: thats not what i mean |
| 20:08.31 | Shirik | Well it can't be easy, all addons run in a single environment |
| 20:08.38 | Shirik | if they all had their own state, it would be much easier, but they don't |
| 20:08.40 | Shirik | and they really can't |
| 20:08.44 | Bam__ | Tuller mentioned that metatables in general cause the CPU profiling to go wacky |
| 20:08.48 | Cryect | I mean certain operations become way more expensive than they should |
| 20:09.00 | Shirik | ah |
| 20:09.04 | sylvanaar | http://ace.pastey.net/70858?lang=lua |
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| 20:09.13 | Cryect | Expo shows some of my functions taking 100-1000 fold more time when cpu profiling gets enabled while other ones don't change at all |
| 20:10.01 | Bam__ | sylvanaar: if you really want to nitty-gritty improve performance, use %s and tostring instead of %d :) |
| 20:10.24 | charon | ~seen ckknight |
| 20:10.31 | purl | ckknight <n=ckknight@cpe-75-80-221-35.hawaii.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 14h 29m 34s ago, saying: 'but currently, I'm playing Wii with my brother'. |
| 20:10.54 | Shirik | eew |
| 20:10.55 | Fin | Bam__: for a number? |
| 20:10.57 | Bam__ | Cryect: that certainly does make profiling less useful |
| 20:11.04 | Bam__ | Fin: yea |
| 20:11.22 | Fin | that is counterintuitive |
| 20:11.30 | Fin | Bam__: not saying you're wrong of course |
| 20:11.38 | Cryect | THats why he mentioned it :-p |
| 20:11.43 | Cryect | because its counterintuitive |
| 20:11.50 | Fin | because he's not wrong? |
| 20:11.52 | Fin | :P |
| 20:12.10 | Bam__ | well I suppose the %d implementation is doing more than it should.. like parsing the pattern for format specifiers and stuff |
| 20:12.13 | NightHawkTheSane | psh. i say wrong things all the time. |
| 20:12.23 | Bam__ | !!!!! |
| 20:12.32 | NightHawkTheSane | like that, see, that was wrong? |
| 20:12.35 | NightHawkTheSane | -? |
| 20:12.40 | Fin | oh, very clever |
| 20:12.53 | Bam__ | :O |
| 20:13.01 | Fin | OK now use a paradox on IRC that isn't a cliche |
| 20:13.06 | sylvanaar | Cryect Expo makes some thing take AGES longer yeah |
| 20:13.09 | Fin | :) |
| 20:13.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: i only speak in cliches. |
| 20:13.42 | Fin | the obvious response is that you are a cliche, but that's such a cliche I can't bring myself to say it... |
| 20:13.45 | TheKarn | i need some opinions |
| 20:13.48 | TheKarn | on a new keyboard |
| 20:13.54 | Xuerian | "NightHawkTheSane": A cliche' wrapped in a enigma wrapped in a taco. |
| 20:13.58 | Bam__ | buy! |
| 20:13.59 | Fin | although I just did, in a meta sort of way - that's 5 points extra |
| 20:14.05 | Shirik | anyway, time for me to go |
| 20:14.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: soft shell taco, to be sure. |
| 20:14.06 | TheKarn | i want a low profile, slim, full-size layout keyboard |
| 20:14.06 | Shirik | take care all |
| 20:14.11 | Bam__ | cya |
| 20:14.13 | Fin | cya |
| 20:14.19 | Xuerian | Of course. |
| 20:14.21 | Xuerian | Cya Shirk. |
| 20:14.27 | Fin | TheKarn: on only 3 meals a day?! |
| 20:14.28 | Fin | wow! |
| 20:14.34 | TheKarn | lol |
| 20:14.37 | TheKarn | so: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=215572 or http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=420930 ? |
| 20:14.58 | TheKarn | i.e. is the aluminium body really worth the extra £17? |
| 20:15.09 | Fin | TheKarn: haven't looked at those links yet, but I recommend the cheap logitech slimline |
| 20:15.14 | Bam__ | ohh the blue one looks slick |
| 20:15.38 | Bam__ | for a while... then you probably get tired of the color :P |
| 20:15.39 | TheKarn | Fin: the logitech ultra-flat keyboard is not a full-size layout, it's compact |
| 20:15.41 | Fin | personally i couldn't get used to the cursor keys being where they were, but it definitely meets your requirements |
| 20:15.55 | NightHawkTheSane | TheKarn: aluminum body on a keyboard? o_0 |
| 20:16.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i wouldn't spend £17 on that |
| 20:16.06 | Fin | TheKarn: is that the difference between "full-size" and "compact"? |
| 20:16.15 | TheKarn | NightHawkTheSane: it looks so sexy |
| 20:16.29 | Bam__ | solid steel might be better for gamers with a temper :P |
| 20:16.30 | Xuerian | 12$ walmart keyboard ftw |
| 20:16.36 | NightHawkTheSane | its a fucking keyboard :P |
| 20:16.45 | TheKarn | NightHawkTheSane: i like my keyboard |
| 20:16.55 | TheKarn | it's what i spend most of my time interfacing with my computer |
| 20:17.01 | Bam__ | unless you like to throw around with it, then it becomes dealy |
| 20:17.07 | NightHawkTheSane | I like my keyboard too |
| 20:17.18 | NightHawkTheSane | I just don't like it £17 brushed aluminum worth |
| 20:17.26 | TheKarn | yeah |
| 20:17.32 | TheKarn | that's why i'm throwing the question |
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| 20:17.41 | TheKarn | the blue backlighted one can have the backlight turned off |
| 20:17.56 | TheKarn | both have 2x USB ports |
| 20:18.07 | NightHawkTheSane | TheKarn: then again, if you've got the £17 to throw away, *shrug* go for it |
| 20:18.17 | NightHawkTheSane | because yeah, that does look slick. |
| 20:18.40 | TheKarn | so you agree the aluminium one looks better? |
| 20:18.51 | Fin | way better |
| 20:18.53 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, yes. |
| 20:19.01 | TheKarn | Fin: i thought you were staying out of this... |
| 20:19.04 | Fin | use is more improtant though |
| 20:19.11 | Fin | TheKarn: I can't help it! it's one of my favourite subjects!@ |
| 20:19.13 | NightHawkTheSane | i wouldn't spend £17 on it, but that's really me |
| 20:19.21 | TheKarn | both have the same key technology, and both have the same layout |
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| 20:19.33 | CIA-22 | 03bam * r43870 10ItemPrice-1.0/ItemPrice-1.0/ItemPrice-1.0.lua: |
| 20:19.33 | CIA-22 | ItemPrice-1.0: |
| 20:19.33 | CIA-22 | - Price updates |
| 20:19.35 | Fin | I thought to myself, 40 times a week, just limit yourself to 40 discussions a week, you can do it |
| 20:19.51 | TheKarn | Fin: what keyboard do you use then? and mouse for that matter? |
| 20:20.15 | Fin | I have the willpower of a 5 year old school girl at Disney Land in Free Ice Cream season |
| 20:20.18 | Fin | on her birthday |
| 20:20.31 | NightHawkTheSane | i just use the standard keyboard that came with my mac. and a logitech mx510 mouse. *shrug* |
| 20:20.45 | Xuerian | fin: Hahaha |
| 20:20.51 | sylvanaar | Bam__ i made that pastey because Mikk said the string.format implementation was more memory efficient |
| 20:20.52 | Xuerian | fin: that's like me -_- |
| 20:20.58 | CIA-22 | 03bam * r43871 10ItemPriceTooltip/ItemPriceTooltip.lua: |
| 20:20.58 | CIA-22 | ItemPriceTooltip: |
| 20:20.58 | CIA-22 | - Option to show statistics about number of prices in library and recorded vendor prices |
| 20:21.13 | Fin | TheKarn: actually, I use cheap keyboards & mice these days, I think they've reached the point where the designs have become good enough that most of the problems I used to have aren't present in lower price shit |
| 20:21.17 | TheKarn | Fin: it worries me how you know the will power of a 5yr old schoolgirl in that situation :P |
| 20:21.26 | Bam__ | sylvanaar: more than the concat operator? |
| 20:21.30 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 20:21.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: out of curiosity, what problems did you use to have? |
| 20:21.40 | Fin | TheKarn: but I always test four or five keyboard models in the shop before choosing one |
| 20:22.05 | Fin | mice especially are pretty standard and I like the default wireless blobby-egg type shape |
| 20:22.09 | TheKarn | i have the logitech ultrax keyboard atm and would love another but they stopped making it |
| 20:22.15 | Bam__ | hmm... I did have a talk about that too with Rici... I believe he said there should be no garbage generated in any string concatenation |
| 20:22.17 | Mikk | Bam__: string..num uses 50% more CPU and twice the RAM compared to string.format("%s%d",string,num) |
| 20:22.26 | TheKarn | fin: i have a G7 mouse that i got given ... its nice |
| 20:22.31 | Fin | NightHawkTheSane: well... specifically to do with the "clickiness" of the keys, and the mouse buttons |
| 20:22.36 | Mikk | correct, string..string generates no garbage |
| 20:22.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: ahh, fair enough. |
| 20:22.46 | Bam__ | Mikk: well but it's not heap allocated, is it? |
| 20:22.48 | Mikk | but there's an implicit tostring() with a string being created when you're mixing in the number |
| 20:23.03 | Fin | Xuerian: I used to spend loads on keyboards and mice :) |
| 20:23.12 | Bam__ | I suppose it is stack allocated by the C implementation and goes away after returning |
| 20:23.14 | TheKarn | Fin: the "clickiness" of the keys is why i'm after a low profile key |
| 20:23.25 | Mikk | Bam__: no, it creates garbage |
| 20:23.30 | Fin | Xuerian: oh, you mean, your willpower :) hehe |
| 20:23.33 | Mikk | try turning the gc off and see |
| 20:23.36 | Xuerian | fin: Yeah :p |
| 20:23.50 | Bam__ | that sounds very strange if it is implemented in pure C |
| 20:24.08 | Fin | it's a fine balance between how hard you have to press a key to depress it, and how far away it is from the bottom |
| 20:24.09 | Xuerian | fin: My keyboard is a recycled gateway stock keyboard and my mouse is a wired optical Micro brand mouse (Which I love <3, it's worn smooth)\ |
| 20:24.18 | Fin | heh :) |
| 20:24.21 | Mikk | ... wait, are you misunderstanding me? |
| 20:24.25 | Mikk | string..num <- garbage |
| 20:24.33 | Mikk | format("%s%d") <- no garbage |
| 20:24.51 | Bam__ | ok but I would expect no garbage in any of the cases... weird |
| 20:25.02 | Mikk | strnig..string <- no garbage |
| 20:25.09 | sylvanaar | in the c implementation all values are treated the same there is just one type |
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| 20:25.23 | Bam__ | is this standalone Lua or WoW Lua? |
| 20:25.26 | NightHawkTheSane | its nymbia! |
| 20:25.29 | Xuerian | Bam__: It's the fact that it goes local snum = tostring(num) string..snum |
| 20:25.40 | nymbia | where?? |
| 20:25.44 | Mikk | Bam__: standalone |
| 20:25.49 | sylvanaar | i posted the bytecode |
| 20:25.51 | Mikk | hard to test wow lua properly :S |
| 20:26.03 | Bam__ | yea |
| 20:26.03 | Fin | if you have to hit a key too hard for it to depress, it sucks, but too little and you there's no tactical feedback on whether it's been pressed or not; the problem is reversed for distance from the bottom - too far and you won't know you've hit the bottom unless you hit your keys hard all the time, not far enough and it's like tapping your fingers against a wall repeatedly |
| 20:26.49 | NM|Xinhuan | why doesn't format("%s%d") generate garbage? doesn't it also have to convert the number to a string? |
| 20:27.06 | sylvanaar | who knows |
| 20:27.11 | Bam__ | but that should be doable without heap allocation IMO |
| 20:27.12 | Cryect | it uses the c stdlib function prolly |
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| 20:27.17 | TheKarn | NM|Xinhuan: i'd assume it just uses the c stdlib func |
| 20:27.24 | NM|Xinhuan | that sounds about right i guess |
| 20:27.58 | sylvanaar | calling ftoi could use the stack |
| 20:28.08 | Bam__ | well... the source for standalone Lua is available... bit more tricky with Blizzard's version :P |
| 20:28.10 | sylvanaar | er ftos |
| 20:29.20 | Bam__ | I suppose the taint system caused them to rewrite a lot of the core Lua code |
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| 20:29.34 | Mikk | i'm assuming the .. operator wants strings in both ends |
| 20:29.38 | cladhaire | not really |
| 20:29.44 | Xuerian | Bam__: The taint system uses metatables >.> |
| 20:29.45 | cladhaire | taint just affected the allocator and the structs used. |
| 20:29.53 | CIA-22 | 03cryect * r43872 10Recount/ (GUI_Config.lua Recount.lua WindowOrder.lua): Recount - Adds window scaling to config options |
| 20:29.54 | cladhaire | Xuerian: not really, at all |
| 20:29.59 | Xuerian | damnit |
| 20:30.02 | Xuerian | LET ME RUN FIRST |
| 20:30.02 | cladhaire | lol |
| 20:30.04 | Bam__ | hmm.. well they changed something :P |
| 20:30.05 | Cryect | haha |
| 20:30.22 | hypetech | are there any faction potions you can use in hellfire for mag? every other 25 man has faction potions =( |
| 20:30.24 | cladhaire | Bam__: What behavior are you experiencing that leads you to believe this |
| 20:30.37 | Mikk | Cryect: use windowlib :P |
| 20:30.50 | Bam__ | cladhaire: a major performance penalty on the string concat operator |
| 20:31.22 | Cryect | Mikk: Pfft :-p why add a Library for something thats less than 75 lines of code |
| 20:31.28 | cladhaire | in what regards? |
| 20:32.08 | Bam__ | well, even for small concatenations, using library functions like string.format performs better than the native concat operator |
| 20:32.17 | Bam__ | which is not the case in standalone Lua |
| 20:32.54 | cladhaire | as far as speed? |
| 20:32.58 | Bam__ | yes |
| 20:33.05 | sylvanaar | string.format formats each item on the stack unless it exceeds a certain length |
| 20:33.09 | cladhaire | a .. b .. c .. d should be the same lua opcode as string.format("%s%s%s%s", a, b, c, d) |
| 20:33.16 | sylvanaar | it itsn |
| 20:33.18 | sylvanaar | isnt |
| 20:33.54 | cladhaire | okay, then we should ask about it =) |
| 20:34.19 | Bam__ | eek.. an email from my boss.. on a Sunday!!! |
| 20:34.21 | Cryect | be nice if the compiler would auto change things to string.format |
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| 20:35.08 | Bam__ | there is basically no code transformations in Lua unfortunately |
| 20:35.15 | hypetech | after last update |
| 20:35.16 | hypetech | 2007/07/15 16:32:36-622-x5]: SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0-43869:385: table index is nil |
| 20:35.36 | Cryect | Well thats kinda a crappy compiler if it won't optimize like that :-p |
| 20:35.37 | Bam__ | there is even talk about removing simple constant folding |
| 20:35.42 | Mikk | Cryect: because windowlib does smarter position saving than you can be arsed to code. plus it'll get sticky window support, BETWEEN different addons, something which kinda does require some standard lib managing the positions |
| 20:35.47 | cladhaire | Cryect: It shouldn't need to, they're teh same opcode |
| 20:36.19 | Bam__ | one calls a function another doesn't... can't be the same opcode |
| 20:36.26 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 20:36.26 | cladhaire | in lua it is |
| 20:36.27 | cladhaire | in wow it isn't. |
| 20:36.32 | cladhaire | we can ask why this is. |
| 20:36.40 | cladhaire | the compiler shouldn't translate it tho, because there's no reason to |
| 20:36.51 | Cryect | Mikk: Yarr, the working between different addons was the big thing I know I would gain (btw when did WindowLib exist wasn't there when I was looking for something :-p) |
| 20:37.13 | Mikk | Cryect: it's less than one week old. hence my plugging it :> |
| 20:37.17 | Cryect | Ah! |
| 20:38.01 | ZealotOnAStick | anyone suggest a good arena frames mod? |
| 20:38.01 | CIA-22 | 03bayi * r43873 10beql/ (beql.lua options.lua questlog.lua): |
| 20:38.02 | CIA-22 | beql: |
| 20:38.02 | CIA-22 | - Added Questlog Alpha setting (without loacales) |
| 20:38.17 | ZealotOnAStick | ArenaMaster threw massive errors |
| 20:38.44 | Cryect | Mikk: When your code scales a window does it hold it in place or not? (can't easily tell in your code if thats what its doing and you handle things slightly differently than I do) |
| 20:39.15 | Mikk | Cryect: it holds it in place ofc |
| 20:39.27 | Mikk | And gets scaled toward the center of the screen even |
| 20:39.34 | Mikk | so it won't get zoomed off the edge of the screen |
| 20:40.38 | Mikk | you can test with the oRA2 cooldowns and resurrection windows, it's used there |
| 20:40.39 | sylvanaar | cladhaire what do you mean they are the same opcode |
| 20:40.43 | Cryect | Mikk: k figure thats what it was doing, and the scaling towards the center would be nice (mine just scales it arounds the fixed points) |
| 20:40.44 | cladhaire | in lua |
| 20:40.49 | cladhaire | they compile to the same VM opcode |
| 20:41.14 | cladhaire | i.e. the VM runs the exact same code |
| 20:41.15 | sylvanaar | cladhaire no they dont, table.concat and "a" .. "b" .. "c" do |
| 20:41.38 | cladhaire | hrm, i understood that they did |
| 20:41.48 | CIA-22 | 03bayi * r43874 10beql/ (beql.lua options.lua tracker.lua): |
| 20:41.48 | CIA-22 | beql: |
| 20:41.48 | CIA-22 | - Added Quest Tracker Alpha setting (without locales) |
| 20:41.59 | Cryect | Mikk: Only issue I see is no way to force a window to start moving (ex. I have a frame on the title when right click pops a dropdown otherwise I want it to treat it like you are trying to move the parent) |
| 20:42.40 | Mikk | Hmmm, not following now |
| 20:42.56 | Mikk | Force a window to start moving? |
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| 20:43.22 | ultimate-` | yo |
| 20:43.38 | Cryect | Mikk: Alright you have the drag support built in right? so what if I click a frame thats on top of it that has mouse enable and under certain conditions I want the parent frame to be treated like I started dragging it |
| 20:43.40 | Bam__ | sylvanaar: eh.. that cannot be right... one is still a function call, the other isn't |
| 20:44.21 | Mikk | Cryect: ahh ok i see what you mean.. You click on the titleframe, which is a child, and instead drag the underlying big frame |
| 20:44.26 | Mikk | right? |
| 20:44.49 | Cryect | yep |
| 20:45.00 | Cryect | or in the case if I right click something else happens |
| 20:45.28 | Mikk | How are you solving this now? |
| 20:45.50 | Mikk | StartMoving on the parent window instead? |
| 20:46.02 | Cryect | my title frame just has an OnMouseDown and OnMouseUp function that is just like the parents except moves the parent |
| 20:46.40 | Mikk | Right |
| 20:47.02 | Mikk | Well, I could certainly add a thingy that makes dragging one window move another |
| 20:47.17 | cladhaire | sylvanaar: Yep, you're correct, |
| 20:47.19 | Mikk | Seems a good enough idea |
| 20:47.20 | cladhaire | i was confusing a few things |
| 20:47.38 | Cryect | Does WindowLib have any code for ordering windows? Example if I click a window does the window pop to the top? |
| 20:48.19 | ultimate-` | the new wowaceupdater is giving me dont send error :S |
| 20:48.31 | ultimate-` | anyone else |
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| 20:48.48 | Mikk | Cryect: no, not yet, at least. |
| 20:48.53 | NM|Xinhuan | apparently, all windowlib does is save the position of frames and allow you to load them back easily - atm anyway |
| 20:49.04 | mikma | Mikk: omg j00 r + |
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| 20:49.28 | Cryect | Or did blizzard fix their code for having a frame be on top when you start moving it to not lag whenever a frame tries to go over top of another frame :-p (which kinda makes it worthless) |
| 20:49.36 | Mikk | NM|Xinhuan: yeah, like i said, totally new. i'm trying to establish what the right feature set is atm. |
| 20:50.00 | NM|Xinhuan | what are you planning ? |
| 20:50.23 | Mikk | being able to stick windows to eachother -- between addons, and saved between sessions |
| 20:50.49 | Mikk | (e.g. make a column of windows on the right side of the screen, that will move as one big frame) |
| 20:50.50 | NM|Xinhuan | kind of like how you can "snap" windows to each other in windows with nvidia? |
| 20:51.04 | Mikk | ummm possibly, can't say i've tried that |
| 20:51.33 | Mikk | being able to "minimize" windows by doubleclicking their titleframes -- just make the content area go height 0 |
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| 20:51.42 | Cryect | I assume he means like in Photoshop |
| 20:51.48 | Cryect | where the windows can snap together |
| 20:52.13 | Mikk | this is extra fun along with stickied windows, since you could have like 10+ windows in a column, with only a select few actually showing stuff |
| 20:52.13 | Arrowmaster | who the fuck broke SEA |
| 20:52.13 | Cryect | I didn't know nview can do that (and it sure doesn't seem to be doing that for me by default at the moment) |
| 20:52.15 | Mikk | yeah, photoshop is a good example |
| 20:52.22 | Mikk | Arrowmaster: wrong channel |
| 20:52.30 | NM|Xinhuan | yep - but the nview drivers allow you to that directly to windows as well |
| 20:52.31 | Arrowmaster | not talking about Sea |
| 20:52.39 | Arrowmaster | talking about SEEA |
| 20:52.50 | NM|Xinhuan | its an option you have to turn on |
| 20:53.00 | NM|Xinhuan | and choose the pixel snap distance |
| 20:53.11 | Nemes_ | hang on.... what's wrong with SEA? |
| 20:53.19 | Nemes_ | I just checked in a change |
| 20:53.30 | Arrowmaster | SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0-43869:385: table index is nil |
| 20:53.45 | Nemes_ | ok what are you doing at the time? |
| 20:54.07 | Arrowmaster | loggin in |
| 20:54.14 | Cryect | Heh and nview reminds me I've got debug tools running I should uninstall those :-p |
| 20:54.17 | Arrowmaster | its constant spam |
| 20:54.18 | NM|Xinhuan | the library sounds potentially useful - if you can get every addon with movable frames to register to it (loL) |
| 20:54.24 | Mikk | Cryect: anyway, yeah, some sort of OnTop thingy would be useful |
| 20:54.26 | Arrowmaster | up to 91 errors now |
| 20:54.50 | Mikk | NM|Xinhuan: Yeah, I'm hoping the Users(tm) can help with their incessant yabbering at authors =) |
| 20:55.02 | Cryect | Mikk: Yeah thats really all my WindowOrder.lua is and like 12 lines for scaling |
| 20:55.08 | Nemes_ | lol it will do that |
| 20:55.44 | Mikk | What's your approach? Just run parents at framelevel 1 normally and pop them up at something higher on use? |
| 20:55.49 | CIA-22 | 03nemes * r43875 10SpecialEventsEmbed/SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0/SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0.lua: .SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0: fix typo line 385 - was indexing buff rather than debuff |
| 20:55.52 | Mikk | Or change framestrata? |
| 20:55.56 | Nemes_ | try again arrowmaster |
| 20:56.50 | Cryect | Basically all my windows have a double pointer list and they just set each frame so many frame levels above the frame before it in the list |
| 20:56.57 | Cryect | and on the very bottom is UIParent |
| 20:57.19 | Cryect | and then I just have a function I call to add a window to the list and another function that pushes a window to the top of the stack |
| 20:57.31 | Mikk | So you just keep bumping framelevel higher as people click? |
| 20:57.37 | Cryect | no |
| 20:57.47 | NM|Xinhuan | why do you actually need something like that though? |
| 20:57.55 | Cryect | the framelevel is max of UIParent+FrameLevelPerWindow*TotalWindows |
| 20:58.10 | Mikk | Okay, you knock the rest down, I see |
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| 20:58.13 | Cryect | because the other windows that are put down get their frame levels reduced |
| 20:58.45 | Mikk | NM|Xinhuan: well, most of the time, you don't really need it. but sometimes you just juggle so many windows that you kinda need it. |
| 20:58.46 | Cryect | then there is code to ensure all the children stay relative to the parent frames level |
| 20:59.02 | Mikk | like having bags open together with bank together with crafting ui together with some notepad mod and ... oargh |
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| 20:59.31 | Cryect | NM|Xinhuan: For Recount, its really useful since some of the windows like the graph window are pretty large |
| 20:59.53 | NM|Xinhuan | well if they are all on the same strata, wouldn't clicking a window simply bring it to the top? only thing is it would require it to be visible to click on it |
| 20:59.54 | Cryect | and this way you can just have them slightly offset the detail and graph window so you don't take up too much screenspace but can easily switch between them |
| 21:00.09 | Cryect | No they would be overlapped |
| 21:00.48 | NM|Xinhuan | you're saying some elements in Addon A overlaps addon B and some elements in B overlap A? |
| 21:01.04 | snorks | afk shower |
| 21:01.07 | Cryect | WoW doesn't handle reordering unless you tell it have something always be OnTop and then it does it while you are moving and their code for it is really slow and bad and you get like 1 second pauses when trying to drag over a frame thats lower |
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| 21:01.20 | Cryect | yeah if you don't have code to change the frame levels |
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| 21:01.38 | Cryect | I mean I could force one window to always be higher |
| 21:01.46 | Cryect | but I prefer if you can click one and they swap |
| 21:02.10 | NM|Xinhuan | more like bad addon authors that don't parent their frames properly and so have silly framelevels |
| 21:02.19 | Mikk | meh.. i'm going to have to doink this into vio |
| 21:02.27 | Mikk | i cba to write something with windows to test with :P |
| 21:02.29 | Shirik | heh |
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| 21:02.46 | Shirik | seeing a norton window pop up with its title saying "%s" doesn't make me feel very secure |
| 21:02.54 | Mikk | haha |
| 21:02.57 | NM|Xinhuan | heh |
| 21:02.57 | Cryect | NM|Xinhuan: Huh? what does that have to do with reordering what frame is on top or not? |
| 21:03.09 | Kjellviz | cartographer, aint that made by ckknigjht ? |
| 21:03.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: hah |
| 21:03.15 | Mikk | Kjellviz: correct |
| 21:03.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Kjellviz: yes, except spelled correctly |
| 21:03.24 | Kjellviz | ok nice |
| 21:03.28 | Mikk | well, the core is. modules are written by several people |
| 21:03.32 | NM|Xinhuan | i was thinking more along the lines of addons with so many frames that some aren't parented properly to be on top/below some other frames |
| 21:03.35 | Kjellviz | hehe ye i noticed my type-o |
| 21:03.42 | Kjellviz | anyways |
| 21:03.56 | Kjellviz | anyone know if the author of lightheaded usually hang around here ? |
| 21:04.15 | Kjellviz | im looking for an answer for a combination of those two addons |
| 21:04.34 | Cryect | NM|Xinhuan: well any addon in itself better be fine that would be stupid if they weren't, but example I can drag some of my windows over other windows and their frame levels will interweave |
| 21:04.38 | cladhaire | Kjellviz: whats up |
| 21:05.18 | Kjellviz | cladhaire: you wrote lightheaded ? =) |
| 21:05.23 | Shirik | heh, yeah |
| 21:05.27 | cladhaire | yes |
| 21:05.27 | Pkekyo | pvp as prot, anyone? :> |
| 21:05.31 | Cryect | An easy example of that is vBagnon and Cartographer parts of vBagnon are above the cartographer map and parts are underneath it :-p |
| 21:05.33 | Kjellviz | anyways, its new update is awesome |
| 21:05.38 | Kjellviz | i just love it to death |
| 21:05.39 | Kjellviz | but |
| 21:05.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: painful at best. >< |
| 21:05.46 | Shirik | it's horrible, isn't it? worst addon ever |
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| 21:06.03 | Kjellviz | would it be possible to change the function of clicking coords in comments |
| 21:06.11 | Kjellviz | id want it to add notes to my map |
| 21:06.16 | Kjellviz | instead of waypoints |
| 21:06.21 | cladhaire | no, not right now. |
| 21:06.43 | Kjellviz | would you consider that for a future update ? |
| 21:06.54 | Shirik | :( cladhaire I expected some form of a witty response |
| 21:07.04 | Daemona | Funkeh` if you are there drop me a pm ;) |
| 21:07.28 | cladhaire | Kjellviz: doubtful, At most I'll change the structure of LH so that map addons can listen in to the clicking events |
| 21:07.59 | charon | has anyone else noticed weird texture mixups when using the "hide UI" keymap? |
| 21:08.14 | charon | i use it a lot at gruul and it interacts very strangely with pitbull |
| 21:08.24 | Cryect | no? |
| 21:08.31 | cladhaire | but that would require a change to all map addons that hook into LH righ tnow |
| 21:08.35 | cladhaire | that's luckily only Cartographer |
| 21:08.36 | Cryect | sounds like graphics card issue? |
| 21:08.38 | cladhaire | and i'm not sure i like that |
| 21:08.43 | Kjellviz | tbh i find waypoints function pretty useless (no offence, its just my preference), cos most of the time i want to add more than 1 quest to the list, and using waypoints doesent exactly take distance into account |
| 21:08.48 | charon | buff textures showing up where they shouldn't, on the background of the targettarget frame or linked to the power spark |
| 21:08.54 | charon | hmm |
| 21:09.08 | charon | seems a bit too deterministic for a HW failure doesn't it? |
| 21:09.15 | cladhaire | Kjellviz: Don't use Cartographer |
| 21:09.16 | Cryect | is it only pitbull? |
| 21:09.18 | Kjellviz | so most of the time id want to do the quests in a different order than what the waypoint queue ends up like |
| 21:09.19 | cladhaire | TomTom lets you add as many waypoints as you want |
| 21:09.31 | cladhaire | and there's no queye.. just go to the dots. |
| 21:09.33 | Kjellviz | so does cartographer |
| 21:09.37 | Cryect | Might be due to no OnUpdates get called while AltZ is active or something but never seen it happen |
| 21:09.40 | cladhaire | i.e. that's a cart issue, not a LH issue. |
| 21:09.55 | charon | Cryect: just pitbull, and up until a minute ago, just at the power spark |
| 21:10.25 | charon | ~summon ckknight |
| 21:10.33 | purl | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing ckknight's coordinates |
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| 21:10.34 | charon | ! |
| 21:10.34 | Kjellviz | cladhaire: it would not be if you used /note instead of /waypoint command when addressing cartographer |
| 21:10.45 | Cryect | heh yeah prolly going to have to do that to get it fixed if its easily repetable |
| 21:10.50 | Kjellviz | or however the command is in lua >< |
| 21:10.58 | cladhaire | yes, and then ui'm hardcoding optinos for another addon, in my addon |
| 21:11.06 | cladhaire | i already dislike the way I had to do it |
| 21:11.12 | cladhaire | but people wouldn't stop complaining. |
| 21:11.15 | Cryect | haha |
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| 21:11.48 | Kjellviz | ok, well does tomtom add notes to my worldmap as well as my minimap ? |
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| 21:12.03 | cladhaire | yes |
| 21:12.04 | cladhaire | for that session |
| 21:12.28 | Kjellviz | but it has no support for waypoint and arrow like cartographer does ? |
| 21:12.36 | cladhaire | it has waypoints |
| 21:12.39 | cladhaire | but not the crazy taxi arrow |
| 21:12.45 | charon | haha it's very funny even |
| 21:12.48 | Kjellviz | ok |
| 21:12.48 | cladhaire | something I just need to find time to add |
| 21:12.53 | charon | all raid buff displays change places when i hit alt-z |
| 21:12.59 | cladhaire | i'll do what i can to make things easier, better |
| 21:13.09 | cladhaire | but you gotta understand its an odd relationship as it is |
| 21:13.10 | Kjellviz | so basically im stuck with 2 addons not fully doing what i want them to ^^ |
| 21:13.22 | Kjellviz | anyways |
| 21:13.24 | Kjellviz | as mentioned |
| 21:13.30 | WillJitsu | Does anyone else get the error: "Cannot download the application. The application is missing required files. Contact application vendor for assistance." when running WowAceUpdater-1.9.42-netinstall.exe? |
| 21:13.35 | cladhaire | well you can always type /note xx yy |
| 21:13.38 | Kjellviz | i think the new update is awesome |
| 21:13.39 | Cryect | if they don't do what you want them to do learn to code :-p |
| 21:13.42 | cladhaire | LH just provides the comments |
| 21:13.46 | cladhaire | the coordinate clicking is a perk |
| 21:13.54 | Kjellviz | ye, thats what i did with the old LH and carto |
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| 21:14.12 | Kjellviz | ye i reckon it is =) |
| 21:14.20 | Kjellviz | but a realy timesaving one |
| 21:14.40 | Kjellviz | but ive found this in the lua: Cartographer_Waypoints:AddLHWaypoint(nil, nil, x, y, note) |
| 21:14.59 | Kjellviz | no way to change that into AddLHNote ? |
| 21:15.01 | Kjellviz | :P |
| 21:15.35 | CIA-22 | 03nemes * r43876 10SpecialEventsEmbed/SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0/SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0.lua: .SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0: fix typo - was indexing buff rather than debuff |
| 21:17.12 | cladhaire | Kjellviz: Even if we did |
| 21:17.16 | cladhaire | then i need to have an option in LH |
| 21:17.17 | Kjellviz | aight ill stop nagging ^^ |
| 21:17.19 | cladhaire | etc. |
| 21:17.27 | cladhaire | i dont know anything about cart |
| 21:17.30 | cladhaire | wobin just told me what to call |
| 21:17.48 | Kjellviz | ye i know, im asking you to do free work your not really interested in doing |
| 21:18.11 | Kjellviz | those damn addon users are generally some ungreatful bastards =P |
| 21:18.25 | Pkekyo | lmfao...I just spent 10 minutes in arena vs a druid :> |
| 21:18.31 | Pkekyo | prot ftw |
| 21:19.01 | Kjellviz | btw cladhaire |
| 21:19.14 | Chompers | i loose duels to prot warriors |
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| 21:19.23 | Kjellviz | any idea how tomtom gets along with cartographer if both are installed ? |
| 21:19.24 | Bam__ | off-topic Mac question... If I schedule a backup at a certain time and the computer is asleep, will it wake up to do the backup? :) |
| 21:19.27 | Chompers | they just stand there and...dodge |
| 21:19.41 | cladhaire | Kjellviz: they both work fine together |
| 21:20.43 | Kjellviz | ok ill give tomtom a spin then |
| 21:21.06 | Shirik | Bam__: On a PC, it could. I don't know about macs, ask cladhaire |
| 21:21.30 | Bam__ | well if a PC can.... then it must!! :D |
| 21:21.32 | cladhaire | Depends on the software, and whether its using cron or anacron or some other variant |
| 21:21.39 | Shirik | cron ftw |
| 21:21.46 | Shirik | what's anacron? |
| 21:21.46 | Bam__ | it's just the Backup program from Apple |
| 21:22.06 | cladhaire | cron only works if you're online |
| 21:22.10 | cladhaire | err the machine is on |
| 21:22.21 | cladhaire | anacron runs, and if a item was scheduled in the past, it runs it |
| 21:22.26 | cladhaire | standard unix daemon variant on cron |
| 21:22.51 | Shirik | ah, so like if the system was down when something should have run |
| 21:22.53 | Bam__ | wanna backup regularly to my iDisk.. though it's a bit of a pricey place to store things :P |
| 21:22.55 | Shirik | when it's next turned on it runs? |
| 21:23.12 | Shirik | never used it, but I can tell it has its uses |
| 21:24.08 | Chompers | guys, is it possible for weather to affect headphones? |
| 21:24.24 | Chompers | i get a static in them every time a bad storms overhead |
| 21:24.29 | Shirik | lightning ^^ |
| 21:24.41 | Shirik | every time? that's interesting |
| 21:24.42 | Chompers | electromagnetic charge |
| 21:24.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Chompers: i imagine that lightning could change the ambiant static electricity and interfere with the speakers in the headphones |
| 21:24.59 | Chompers | at good, at least i'm not crazy |
| 21:25.02 | NightHawkTheSane | I've never really had that happen much though |
| 21:25.15 | Shirik | lightning can induce an electrical charge, but the wires should be insulated enough and the induction would be so minimal you shouldn't notice |
| 21:25.16 | Bam__ | well my speakers always picks up my neighbours cell phone ringing :D |
| 21:25.24 | Shirik | you coud try wrapping the wires in electrical tape |
| 21:25.27 | NightHawkTheSane | only usually when I'm wearing headphones and get a static shock by touching something metal |
| 21:25.27 | Chompers | second time it's happened, both times with a storm near |
| 21:25.52 | Shirik | NightHawkAtWork: People have gotten their ears seriously damaged from that kind of stuff ;) |
| 21:25.57 | Shirik | especially from lightning |
| 21:25.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: yeah, i know |
| 21:26.02 | Arrowmaster | so a mage gave me some food and water, but i dont know what kinda food since its a ? in my inventory |
| 21:26.15 | Shirik | awesome |
| 21:26.20 | NightHawkTheSane | its a kind of one-in-a-million chance sort ofo thing though |
| 21:26.21 | Shirik | secret GM food |
| 21:26.34 | NightHawkTheSane | and your average static-electricity-shock wont do much more than give you a little jolt |
| 21:26.38 | Shirik | NightHawkAtWork yeh |
| 21:27.44 | Chompers | really weird, i took them out of the pc, leave them out for a few seconds and the statics gone |
| 21:27.56 | Chompers | minutes late its back |
| 21:28.30 | Chompers | *minutes later it's back |
| 21:28.32 | pakoz2 | who is easier doomwalker or DL Kazzak? |
| 21:28.49 | ZoidX | Kazzak |
| 21:28.58 | ZoidX | Doomwalker requires a lot of tanks |
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| 21:30.02 | Cryect | Yeah Kazzak for sure |
| 21:30.59 | Cryect | and Doomwalker to be more specific requries a few warrior tanks for the end part (since a crushing during the 20% enrage almost one shots a druid tank) |
| 21:31.25 | ZoidX | Shield wall helps :) |
| 21:31.32 | Cryect | yes, yes it does |
| 21:31.45 | Cryect | same as shield wall on Kazzak during the shadowbolts |
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| 21:32.37 | Fin | man... is anyone else as addicted to lemon chilli pickle as I am? |
| 21:32.51 | Cryect | no? |
| 21:32.52 | liquiem | hmm, no |
| 21:32.58 | Fin | it's superhot and has this awesome tangy taste |
| 21:33.02 | Cryect | nor know what you are talking about |
| 21:33.20 | Fin | I keep opening a jar of it I have in the kitchen and eating little bits out of it every time I go in there |
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| 21:33.40 | Fin | you can get it from indian shops, it's normally eaten with curry I think |
| 21:33.49 | Fin | I guess you yanks don't know much about decent curry eh |
| 21:33.59 | liquiem | http://indianfoodrocks.blogspot.com/2006/05/lemon-pickle-without-oil-picture.html |
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| 21:34.36 | sylvanaar | im still trying to figure out if mikk's example shows something i need to worry about, or just demonstrates that 500k tables < 4.5 million strings |
| 21:34.43 | Fin | liquiem: close, but I like the oily stuff :) |
| 21:34.52 | phirephly | Oily is good. |
| 21:34.59 | liquiem | was first result on google :( |
| 21:35.00 | CIA-22 | 03gagorian * r43877 10DrDamage/Data/Paladin.lua: |
| 21:35.00 | CIA-22 | DrDamage: |
| 21:35.00 | CIA-22 | - Fixed error on line 133 in Paladin module |
| 21:35.15 | liquiem | oily women wrestling is good |
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| 21:37.07 | Shirik | .. |
| 21:37.13 | NightHawkTheSane | sylvanaar: my guess is that it shows both, really. :P |
| 21:37.45 | sylvanaar | yeah, it was insightful at least |
| 21:39.26 | ZoidX | Cryect: Shield wall on Kazzak? Weird |
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| 21:40.52 | CIA-22 | 03bam * r43878 10/branches/ItemPrice-1.0/: |
| 21:40.52 | CIA-22 | ItemPrice-1.0: |
| 21:40.52 | CIA-22 | - Bye, bye branch. Too much trouble keeping this in sync when only I use it. |
| 21:40.55 | Cryect | ZoidX: Don't have to but during the shadowbolt volley your healers can ignore the MT if he shadowbolts then, was useful when we were doing it right at the beginning of TBC when everyone's gear sucked |
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| 21:41.26 | ZoidX | We usually have a couple paladins who are just healing the MT, since they suck at group healing (I'm a paladin). |
| 21:41.50 | Cryect | Also haven't done kazzak in months either :-p |
| 21:42.02 | Xuerian | wtb multiline chat entry |
| 21:42.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: what, in irc or wow? |
| 21:42.31 | Xuerian | wow |
| 21:43.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Ahh yeah. |
| 21:43.06 | Xuerian | I'm verbose but the normal seven-item immediate-term memory buffer is about 3 for me :p |
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| 21:43.16 | Fin | I'd upgrade that request to wtb any sort of decent text editing ingame |
| 21:43.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: indeed. |
| 21:43.32 | Cryect | thats asking a lot :p |
| 21:43.38 | Xuerian | So I'll go so if you are (subconversation goes here) [starts some other topic without finishing forgotten if] a lot >.> |
| 21:43.47 | Fin | you consider notepad's functionality a lot? :P |
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| 21:43.57 | Xuerian | fin: Tinypad? |
| 21:44.06 | kaiden | omnibus |
| 21:44.11 | Fin | I'm using Tinypad and Omnibus |
| 21:44.12 | Fin | but |
| 21:44.14 | Xuerian | That too |
| 21:44.22 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 both? at the same time? |
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| 21:44.24 | Cryect | Why not use notepad? :-p |
| 21:44.30 | Fin | the problem is with stuff like highlighting, undo, tabbing, consistency, etc. |
| 21:44.44 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 21:44.49 | Fin | it can be implemented but it's basically re-implementing all the stuff I'm used to :) |
| 21:44.56 | Cryect | you want undoing? hehe :-p |
| 21:45.02 | Xuerian | A little difficult with wow's entry widgets |
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| 21:45.20 | Cryect | yeah you would be coding a whole new set of widgets for that |
| 21:45.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Cryect: infinite levels of undo, too! :P |
| 21:45.44 | NightHawkTheSane | text editors that don't have that make me cry. :( |
| 21:45.52 | Cryect | Instead of undo lets say it just tracks diffs and you can select which ones you don't want to be applied |
| 21:46.25 | sylvanaar | yeah, that will make sense to like .... 2 people |
| 21:46.41 | Cryect | There is more than 2 people in this channel :-p |
| 21:46.44 | sylvanaar | but its a good idea |
| 21:46.58 | Fin | there's weird people about these days |
| 21:47.48 | sylvanaar | i dont know how you'd make a interface for it though |
| 21:47.53 | Cryect | Always annoys me photoshop shows you a history of commands but you can't remove stuff int he middle |
| 21:48.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Cryect: yeah, thats bothered me in PS too. |
| 21:48.15 | NightHawkTheSane | I always want to go to the history and say "okay, just remove this part, or just add back in this part" |
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| 21:48.38 | sylvanaar | yeah but what if you deleted something in one of those parts |
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| 21:48.52 | Fin | although it does make the previous functionality a bit odd - they should be merged properly |
| 21:48.58 | NightHawkTheSane | well, in PS, the deletion would be its own action |
| 21:49.03 | Fin | I've wanted command history saved between sessions for ages |
| 21:50.09 | Fin | yes, I think essentially most of my wants in WoW could be solved by Blizzard hooking cygwin1.dll and letting us use bash, vim, and irc |
| 21:50.32 | Cryect | haha |
| 21:50.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Hmm, if you're logged into a web app and you edit your user name, is it better to force a logout, or update the user's credentials appropriately.. |
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| 21:50.51 | Pkekyo | prot pvp is boring as hell...I *never* die :< |
| 21:50.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: agreed. :P |
| 21:51.03 | Fin | NightHawkTheSane: update the user's credentials |
| 21:51.04 | sylvanaar | it seems simple at first, but it isnt |
| 21:51.36 | Fin | NightHawkTheSane: if you have the information then you shouldn't force the user to go through unnecessary steps just because it's difficult to achieve server-side |
| 21:52.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: yeah, i'm just trying to think of any security issues that might cause |
| 21:52.10 | Fin | if you do it properly, none |
| 21:52.37 | NightHawkTheSane | for this, it's really just end up be changing the $_SESSION var appropriately |
| 21:52.39 | Fin | just set another cookie with the same name, and put a short expiry on the existing one |
| 21:52.40 | sylvanaar | doesnt the user have a session ID on the user end |
| 21:52.55 | Fin | oh, if you're using $_SESSION then it's even easier |
| 21:53.14 | Fin | or, you can session_destroy(); session_start() |
| 21:53.26 | Fin | not sure if that would work actually |
| 21:53.33 | Shirik | eew |
| 21:53.41 | Shirik | I hate PHP's session system |
| 21:53.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: it would, but its kinda messy. |
| 21:54.00 | Fin | well, if you're worried about security, and the username is linked to anything else, a new session would be a clean way of helping achieve that |
| 21:54.07 | dodgizzla | Fin: Maybe you want to session_regenerate_id() or what's it called |
| 21:54.33 | Fin | dodgizzla: session_start() for destroying other vars that are linked to the username on a rename |
| 21:54.37 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm, yeah, regenerating the session id is probably good. |
| 21:55.05 | Fin | I use a function that basically does session_start() for new sessions, but includes a couple of default cookies and stuff |
| 21:55.15 | Fin | so it's easy to regenerise everything |
| 21:55.17 | dodgizzla | Fin: Isn't linking something to a string constant a bad idea? |
| 21:55.18 | Fin | refresherate |
| 21:55.30 | dodgizzla | I always use internal IDs, that are bound to never change |
| 21:55.32 | Fin | dodgizzla: depends on what it is? |
| 21:55.33 | NightHawkTheSane | The only thing I'm storing in the session is username/password/userId |
| 21:55.34 | dodgizzla | aah arena |
| 21:55.41 | sylvanaar | does anyone, anywhere not force a logout to reauthenticate? |
| 21:55.57 | Fin | NightHawkTheSane: not in every situation! |
| 21:56.20 | Fin | NightHawkTheSane: so you should be fine with just updating the session variable |
| 21:56.52 | Chompers | Fin: would having a large list of Substitutions cause performance loss? |
| 21:57.18 | Fin | check that it's properly changed though, I had a problem actually just last friday where I was logging them out too soon, before previously session cookies were removed |
| 21:57.38 | Fin | Chompers: if it was large enough :) how large, I don't know |
| 21:57.43 | Fin | Chompers: I'm afraid you'll have to try it out |
| 21:57.48 | Fin | should be fine though |
| 21:57.49 | Chompers | fun |
| 21:58.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: *nod* i've had my share of those errors. Which is why i really loath writing authentication code. >< |
| 21:58.08 | Chompers | i'm thinking of puttting in common spelling errors |
| 21:58.10 | Fin | hey, I never even looked at substitutions properly until you asked :) |
| 21:58.11 | sylvanaar | i have seen programs that have 100's if not 1000's of them |
| 21:58.36 | Pkekyo | goddamnit...I'm prot...and I actually WIN arenas! O.o |
| 21:58.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: who's your teammate? |
| 21:59.02 | Fin | NightHawkTheSane: I always spend a very long time (in comparison to other things) thinking about how I'm going to do session stuff before I start on it, and exclude other stuff until I've finished, now, for the same reason :) |
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| 22:00.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: *nod* yeah, i usually do. I've rewritten the whole auth paradigm for this project a couple times now, though, so its starting to get muddled in my head. ;) |
| 22:00.28 | Fin | NightHawkTheSane: I know the feeling |
| 22:00.43 | NuSkooler | I see that Roster-2.1 has a .toc in RosterLib then the .lua/etc. under RosterLib-2.1, am i supposed to use it as it's own standalone module? |
| 22:00.49 | dodgizzla | Fin: Actually I tend to never use Usernames as relations for data; they're bound to change (unless of course you prohibit that by design of the application) and that just creates a lot of inconsistency problems |
| 22:00.50 | sylvanaar | clad|away i missed your question from earlier, but yes it was selecting a profile then having it revert back |
| 22:01.06 | dodgizzla | Fin: So even if I have usernames that never change, I still use IDs internally |
| 22:01.10 | Fin | dodgizzla: that's good practise :) |
| 22:01.15 | Fin | practice? |
| 22:01.19 | Fin | I never figured out the difference |
| 22:01.35 | NightHawkTheSane | gah, this heat doesn't help either >< |
| 22:01.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: practice |
| 22:01.51 | dodgizzla | Maybe it's also cause MySQL has auto_increment and numbers are easier on me than strings.. eventually you'll also have charset problems and whatnot |
| 22:01.51 | Fin | dodgizzla: personally I am just really careful about any sorts of relationships :) the less the better, only use them if you need to :) |
| 22:02.10 | dodgizzla | ehehe |
| 22:02.16 | Pkekyo | nighthawk: rogue and lock |
| 22:02.20 | dodgizzla | ambigious there, aren't we? :D |
| 22:02.26 | Pkekyo | how can I get a macro to only broadcast chat message if the spell it casts is successful? |
| 22:02.51 | NightHawkTheSane | a macro can't do that, i dont think. |
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| 22:03.06 | NightHawkTheSane | you'd need an addon too register spellcast_successful or something |
| 22:03.19 | Pkekyo | damnit |
| 22:03.24 | NightHawkTheSane | to* |
| 22:03.33 | Pkekyo | when I'm spamming last stand when stunned, the chat goes haywire :p |
| 22:03.41 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 22:03.58 | Fin | dodgizzla: nyarg~! charset problems... fuckin hate them |
| 22:04.19 | NightHawkTheSane | who doesn't hate charset issues. |
| 22:04.24 | Fin | americans |
| 22:04.25 | NightHawkTheSane | That, and pdf generation. |
| 22:04.31 | Fin | because they just don't care |
| 22:04.32 | Fin | :P |
| 22:04.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: I care. |
| 22:04.49 | Fin | apologies for the blanket generalisation |
| 22:04.52 | Pkekyo | nighthawk: no way to avoid this? |
| 22:05.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: not in a macro. |
| 22:05.15 | NightHawkTheSane | My previous job was doing some I18N work, dealing with character set issues was no end of nightmares. >< |
| 22:05.36 | Fin | half the problems I have are related to US coders giving no consideration to anyone using any other charset |
| 22:05.36 | Chompers | Fin: might have a bug here |
| 22:05.48 | NightHawkTheSane | especially freaking chinese/korean/japanese/etc double-wide characters |
| 22:06.02 | Pkekyo | damnit |
| 22:06.06 | Chompers | i've got 17 subs and can't add any more |
| 22:06.06 | Fin | Chompers: shoot |
| 22:06.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: THese days I do just about everything in utf-8 |
| 22:06.13 | Chompers | relogging to try out a few things |
| 22:06.28 | Fin | NightHawkTheSane: me too, but there's still problems with translating to and from utf-8 :( |
| 22:06.32 | NightHawkTheSane | twG |
| 22:06.37 | Fin | Chompers: hmm |
| 22:06.37 | NightHawkTheSane | er, yeah |
| 22:06.56 | NightHawkTheSane | not to mention php issues with multibite characters and string length. |
| 22:07.19 | Fin | oh, let's not |
| 22:07.33 | Fin | that's the next stage of development at work, and... I'd rather not think about it |
| 22:07.45 | charon | NightHawkAtWork: your characters have windfury procs? |
| 22:08.29 | NightHawkTheSane | charon: yes. and they crit my string functions for 1337 each. :P |
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| 22:09.17 | Chompers | yeah Fin, it doesn't look like its adding anything after the 17th sub |
| 22:10.38 | Fin | that's bizarre |
| 22:10.55 | Chompers | hrm, deleting one doesnt change the counter or remove it from the list |
| 22:11.08 | Fin | er, hmm, could you mail me your saved variables please? |
| 22:11.17 | Fin | are you sure it's not creating them - is it just not listing them? |
| 22:11.30 | Chompers | ill check the sv file for them |
| 22:11.35 | Fin | I mean, try using one |
| 22:11.39 | Fin | does it fail? |
| 22:11.54 | Fin | oh, hmm, I hope it's not related to circular references |
| 22:12.03 | Fin | I meant to put something in that tried to avoid them |
| 22:12.10 | Fin | I actually don't think it'll be a problem |
| 22:12.48 | CIA-22 | 03morgalm * r43879 10MorgDKP/ (5 files): |
| 22:12.48 | CIA-22 | MorgDKP: |
| 22:12.48 | CIA-22 | - small tweaks to output of text |
| 22:14.15 | Chompers | no fin, doesnt look like its changing the text strings to the ones i've defined |
| 22:15.15 | Chompers | the subs are there in the SV file though, 17 of them |
| 22:19.47 | Fin | Chompers: could you mail it to me, please? |
| 22:19.52 | Fin | fin@instinct.org |
| 22:21.14 | CIA-22 | 03grayhoof * r43880 10Proximo/ (Proximo.toc readme.txt): Proximo: 1.1 Commit |
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| 22:22.09 | Funkeh` | sylvanaar |
| 22:31.13 | Fin | ye gods, 34 C? I can't take that, there's no way! |
| 22:31.34 | Xuerian | Sigh |
| 22:31.40 | Xuerian | Also wtb difficulty filter on profession window |
| 22:31.58 | Xuerian | Or, rather, what should I use for professions? Manufac still the in-thing? 0_o |
| 22:32.09 | NightHawkTheSane | manufac is nice |
| 22:32.19 | NightHawkTheSane | it also has "orange", "yellow" and "can make" meta-groups. |
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| 22:34.13 | Fin | Chompers: to check - you going to send it or not? let me know if you do, please |
| 22:39.06 | Pkekyo | I've got the lvl 60 pvp epic warrior legs...now legguards of the shattered hands dropped...should I sell or use them? |
| 22:39.52 | NightHawkTheSane | level -60- epic legs? vs the. what.. level 69 legguards of the shattered hand? |
| 22:40.03 | Pkekyo | aye |
| 22:40.11 | Pkekyo | lvl 70 btw |
| 22:40.21 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, i was guessing :P |
| 22:40.53 | Pkekyo | I gain 41 AP and 0.89% hit, but lose 0.30% crit and 308.7hp |
| 22:41.48 | Pkekyo | so I'm rather conflicted >.< |
| 22:41.50 | NightHawkTheSane | if you'r getting any set bonuses, i'd keep the epic legs |
| 22:42.02 | NightHawkTheSane | even not, i'd still keep the epic legs, but i'm a sta whore. |
| 22:42.12 | Pkekyo | no set bonuses.... |
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| 22:42.26 | Pkekyo | swapped the epic pvp shoulders for the blue lvl 70 ones allready |
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| 22:42.28 | NightHawkTheSane | dammit |
| 22:42.32 | NightHawkTheSane | closed the wrong window. >< |
| 22:42.50 | Pkekyo | swapped the epic pvp shoulders for the blue lvl 70 ones allready |
| 22:43.45 | CIA-22 | 03bayi * r43881 10beql/ (9 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:43.45 | CIA-22 | beql: |
| 22:43.45 | CIA-22 | - Added option to disable the tracker |
| 22:43.45 | CIA-22 | - Added locale stubs for the new functions |
| 22:43.45 | CIA-22 | - Marked options which needed an Interface Reload |
| 22:43.46 | CIA-22 | - Version 0.87 |
| 22:43.52 | Pkekyo | recommend me a good system for posting news on a website? |
| 22:44.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: depends on what you want. |
| 22:44.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: blog software like wordpress works reasonably well |
| 22:44.53 | FISKER_Q | In a world where CP is banned |
| 22:45.14 | FISKER_Q | One man... |
| 22:45.21 | Pkekyo | wordpress...how does it work? |
| 22:45.21 | FISKER_Q | terabytes of CP |
| 22:45.30 | FISKER_Q | and a thrillride of your life |
| 22:45.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: uh, what do you mean? |
| 22:46.05 | Pkekyo | like...I can make whatever "interface" and wordpress won't fuckup or require something special? |
| 22:46.33 | NightHawkTheSane | heh. Well yes, you can write custom templates for it. |
| 22:46.39 | NightHawkTheSane | But I wouldn't call it trivial |
| 22:46.45 | Pkekyo | gah |
| 22:47.12 | Pkekyo | I just need some easy way to put news on the front page of my website, with MY design >.< |
| 22:47.22 | Pkekyo | not some randomass blog default piece of shit |
| 22:47.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: welcome to my hell. :) |
| 22:48.01 | dylanm | Pkekyo: Customizing it is not hard. If you've ever seen PHP before then nothing about it will surprise you. |
| 22:49.01 | NightHawkTheSane | My current method of choice is using a livejournal account, and then just pulling in an RSS feed of posts, then parsing and outputting that. |
| 22:49.18 | NightHawkTheSane | That has an added dependence on lj servers, though ;\ |
| 22:49.34 | dylanm | Whatever for? |
| 22:49.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Because its easy? |
| 22:49.52 | dylanm | I mean if you have a server that can do the parsing and layout... why not just store everything? Backups? |
| 22:50.12 | NightHawkTheSane | because LJ handles all the messy work of actually storing the posts ;) |
| 22:50.21 | Xuerian | Pkekyo: Write your own news system |
| 22:50.30 | Pkekyo | dylanm: my PHP knowledge is limited to fucking about with some includescript |
| 22:50.34 | Pkekyo | xuerian: how? |
| 22:50.44 | dylanm | Pkekyo: That's pretty much all you'd need to know. |
| 22:51.05 | Xuerian | Pkekyo: You can do it in about 50 lines, just use basic flat files with a timestamp on the first line, subject on the second, and content on the rest |
| 22:51.25 | Xuerian | Probably less than 50.. <.< |
| 22:51.36 | dylanm | NightHawkTheSane: Well right, but you're already doing a fair amount of work pulling everything in and parsing it. I guess I've just never heard of this being done before :) |
| 22:51.41 | Pkekyo | well, the thing I'm trying to achieve is a way to post things on my front page without having to fuck about with code and stuff |
| 22:51.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: if you don't want to be particularly fancy, probably yeah :) |
| 22:51.46 | CIA-22 | 03kemayo * r43882 10FuBar_QuestsFu/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 22:51.47 | CIA-22 | FuBar_QuestsFu: |
| 22:51.47 | CIA-22 | - Remove some excess strings from locales. |
| 22:51.47 | CIA-22 | - Add missing tablet:unregisters to a few modules OnDisables. |
| 22:52.01 | Xuerian | NightHawkAtWork: That's pretty much all he's asking for |
| 22:52.13 | Pkekyo | I just want it to work like...well...posting on a phpbb forum... |
| 22:52.27 | art3mis | a news system? |
| 22:52.32 | dylanm | With any of the popular engines it's exactly like that. |
| 22:52.36 | NightHawkTheSane | dylanm: well, I use a library to pull in the rss feed and parse it into a useable array (magpieRSS), from there, it's really trivial to just push that data out to a SMarty Template and shove it into some html. No muss, no fuss, and I don't have to write a working database backend. :) |
| 22:52.59 | Pkekyo | art3mis: not really, just a way to post news on my guild's front page... |
| 22:53.06 | Xuerian | It's overkill to use a database |
| 22:53.16 | art3mis | like typed news or real news? |
| 22:53.17 | Xuerian | In this situation 0_o |
| 22:53.26 | NightHawkTheSane | dylanm: I have, in the past, written a full on CMS system, and I really rather not do that if i can avoid it. |
| 22:53.34 | dylanm | NightHawkTheSane: I suppose. I used to maintain my own script but I slacked off and now we just use Wordpress... even my guild leader can figure that out and that's uncommon :p |
| 22:53.59 | NightHawkTheSane | dylanm: I'm not a fan of wordpress, because It's a lot more work than I like getting it to fit into my layout. :\ |
| 22:54.00 | Pkekyo | art3mis: not rss feeds and shit...just like... "hai2u we just cleared SSC", maybe with a picture and stuff... |
| 22:54.13 | dylanm | He threw it up and changed the layout and everything and I was dumbfounded. |
| 22:54.18 | NightHawkTheSane | It's good software, don't get me wrong, its just never fit what I wanted. |
| 22:54.28 | art3mis | there a metric shitload of built in and snippets to accomplish it, check something like hotscript.com if you dont wanna make it yerself |
| 22:54.43 | art3mis | err hotscripts.com |
| 22:55.08 | NightHawkTheSane | I wonder if phpbb3 has a built in portal/front page news thing yet. |
| 22:55.17 | art3mis | why do the work yourself if 15000 others have already done it ;P |
| 22:55.18 | NightHawkTheSane | It really ought to, those are typically the most popular mods. |
| 22:55.23 | dylanm | Ugh the last thing that needs is more *stuff*. |
| 22:55.32 | Pkekyo | art3mis: err...php would be what I'm looking for? |
| 22:55.33 | Bam__ | in Waterfall.. if I want to add to the tree structure dynamically, should I just modify the original tree table used in Waterfall:Register() and call Waterfall:Refresh()? |
| 22:55.36 | NightHawkTheSane | dylanm: meh, its already got a lot of stuff, one more isn't going to kill anyone ;) |
| 22:55.42 | dylanm | I suppose. |
| 22:56.05 | art3mis | pkek: nots hotscripts is a collection site of scripts and shit to accomplish various things on the diff platforms, php java asp etc etcetc |
| 22:56.14 | NightHawkTheSane | dylanm: regardless, its too late to add it, they're in to RC releases now, to add a new feature would push phpbb3's release out to sometime next decade. |
| 22:56.17 | art3mis | nods |
| 22:57.24 | Xuerian | Pkekyo: If you just want text, here's a old snippet I used on one of my 5-minute sites. http://xuerian.pastey.net/70867 |
| 22:57.44 | Pkekyo | xuerian: I kinda need the ability to post pictures as well |
| 22:57.53 | Xuerian | Pkekyo: You said "Maybe" pictures :P |
| 22:58.22 | Pkekyo | true, but...well...wall of text-crits aren't exactly what I want the viewer to see :p |
| 22:58.38 | Xuerian | Well, just get the file out of $_POST, copy it over to the messages folder, name it the same thing except .jpg, then add it into the message string for each message you fetch |
| 22:59.32 | Pkekyo | Athou here? craftslist2 is killing me... |
| 22:59.52 | Xuerian | But as has been mentioned times before, just got to a php snippets site, there's no doubt a little script that can do that |
| 23:00.11 | Chompers | Fin: did you get my pm? |
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| 23:04.39 | art3mis | man i just dont get how 80% of the linux installers can do shit right and the ones that have hwat i want are icapableofwriting a grub loader |
| 23:04.59 | art3mis | incapable of writing |
| 23:05.48 | Xuerian | art3mis: What ones have what you want? :P |
| 23:06.09 | art3mis | sabyon has all the proper working ati graphic shit in thier live |
| 23:06.16 | Xuerian | Oou. |
| 23:06.17 | art3mis | mepis is clean and fast |
| 23:06.32 | art3mis | i relaly like mepis |
| 23:06.50 | art3mis | but for some reason it cant differentiate between sata and ide |
| 23:06.57 | CIA-22 | 03sayclub * r43883 10Proximo/localization-koKR.lua: |
| 23:06.57 | CIA-22 | Proximo : |
| 23:06.57 | CIA-22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.38 | CIA-22 | 03sayclub * r43884 10GridManaBars/GMBLocale-koKR.lua: |
| 23:09.38 | CIA-22 | GridManaBars: |
| 23:09.38 | CIA-22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.40 | CIA-22 | 03poull 07poull * r43885 10SmartRes/SmartRes.lua: SmartRes: Added CastCommLib support. Unsure and colliding resurrects are shown. Added key for manual res. |
| 23:13.23 | *** join/#wowace OrionShock (n=chatzill@216-160-195-155.phnx.qwest.net) |
| 23:14.15 | OrionShock | 'morning everyone |
| 23:18.28 | charon | gn8 all :) |
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| 23:26.53 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Wobin] by ChanServ |
| 23:29.52 | *** join/#wowace ceoc (n=asd@190-82-54-133.adsl.cust.tie.cl) |
| 23:29.56 | ceoc | Hi |
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| 23:32.03 | Bam__ | anyone know what the second param to Watefall:Open() should be like? |
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| 23:32.30 | Bam__ | it identifies a pane.. but I can't figure out in what format |
| 23:32.46 | Fin | Chompers: no, read your server messages |
| 23:33.21 | ceoc | Anyone know if there is some kind of version checker function/mixin for addons? |
| 23:33.56 | Chompers | fin #finfinfin |
| 23:34.03 | art3mis | waa and wau do it ;) |
| 23:34.25 | Fin | aw mate, don't make me go into another channel, I have far too many already - just register with the server like everyone else :) |
| 23:34.43 | Fin | it'll mess up my nice spacing of irssi windows |
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| 23:34.58 | Chompers | :< |
| 23:35.25 | Fin | c'mon, you've got email and IRC... |
| 23:35.46 | Chompers | email isnt working |
| 23:35.55 | Chompers | so im a little stuck |
| 23:35.56 | ceoc | Hi |
| 23:36.20 | NightHawkTheSane | l2/msg? :P |
| 23:37.18 | Fin | Chompers: you can register with the server |
| 23:37.27 | Fin | Chompers: then you can /msg |
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| 23:38.45 | Fin | DCC the file to me, edit it and stick it on pastey, upload it to a free fileserver, ask a friend to send it, register a temporary mail address (don't you need mail anyway? for other stuff?) |
| 23:39.00 | Fin | you can do it, I believe in you |
| 23:39.15 | Chompers | :P |
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| 23:39.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't believe in you, but i'm a jackass and you shouldn't listen to me. |
| 23:40.09 | OrionShock | new to irc -- how does one register with the server? |
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| 23:40.24 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.30 | OrionShock | thx |
| 23:40.57 | ceoc | Anyone know if there is some kind of version checker function/mixin for addons? |
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| 23:41.41 | OrionShock | ceoc: WowAceUpdater for ace addons, WUU for just about everyone else |
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| 23:46.38 | Fin | NightHawkTheSane: /msg nickserv help :) |
| 23:47.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: /nickserv typically works fine for me :P |
| 23:47.42 | Fin | NightHawkTheSane: you must have a client that aliases /nickserv then :) |
| 23:48.09 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe, i thought it was a server side thing, though |
| 23:48.15 | Arrowmaster | the server is setup to have the client alias it |
| 23:48.24 | Arrowmaster | client has to support doing it though |
| 23:48.41 | Arrowmaster | but it is an actual server setting |
| 23:48.59 | Fin | s/aliases/is set up to support server defined client aliases/ |
| 23:49.08 | Fin | hmm |
| 23:49.10 | Fin | -the wrong bit |
| 23:49.12 | NightHawkTheSane | retcon much? :P |
| 23:49.29 | OrionShock | *first SVN commit -- prays it dosn't F anything up |
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| 23:50.02 | Fin | what's retcon, sorry? |
| 23:50.13 | NightHawkTheSane | retroactive continuity. |
| 23:50.19 | Fin | oh, yes |
| 23:50.20 | NightHawkTheSane | aka revisionist history |
| 23:50.49 | Fin | noone else ever catches on to my format of history corrections, though |
| 23:51.09 | Fin | some friends and I spent years on IRC, it developed over time to the point where we could've written an RFC on it |
| 23:51.34 | Fin | it was very elegant |
| 23:51.34 | NightHawkTheSane | lol |
| 23:51.36 | Fin | also there was no time limit on corrections, and you *had* to be correct |
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| 23:55.32 | CIA-22 | 03orionshock * r43886 10Tattle/Gladiator_US15/ (. Gladiator_US15.toc US15.lua): |
| 23:55.32 | CIA-22 | Tattle: |
| 23:55.32 | CIA-22 | - Added Whirlwind Battle Group, LoD files still need to be adjusted to support new battle group and EU24 |
