IRC log for #wowace on 20070324

00:00.47rubikno way to bind hotkeys to closetgnome? (other than /script on macro buttons)?
00:01.03vhaarrrubik: Open then menu.
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00:02.00rubikduh++.. thx
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00:03.53rubikswapmagic doesn't really show much info.. like.. item stats.. just shows me item name on alt-hover
00:04.02Antiarc|Workrubik: You can toggle item stats on
00:05.04rubikwow.. so you can.. i am teh suck today, sorry
00:05.52vhaarrrubik: Don't forget to look at the ClosetGnome 3rd party addons.
00:06.05vhaarrlike banker, mount, etc
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00:08.05CIA-1103ckknight * r30847 10PitBull/Aura/Aura.lua: PitBull-Aura - now positions auras properly. bugfixing.
00:08.37Ominous_ckknight: in the frame setup table for auras is width a valid field as well as height?
00:09.04ckknightOminous_: yes, theoretically, but that's handled by the setpoint
00:09.29Ominous_yea but i want to anchor the frame to the right of the target frame :)
00:09.55Antiarc|WorkOk, I'm out. Later, folks.
00:09.59CIA-1103ckknight * r30848 10PitBull/Aura/Aura.lua: PitBull-Aura - remove debug line
00:10.17ckknightOminous_: go ahead
00:10.23ckknightOminous_: change the point1 to attach to the right
00:10.25ckknightand set the width
00:10.29Ominous_yea
00:10.30Ominous_k
00:10.34ckknightbuffs will be on the left, debuffs on the right
00:10.35ckknightcurrently
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00:12.45Tem*sigh*
00:12.49Temthis channel is still on my auto join
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00:15.28AmadeoWhy is that a bad thing? :P
00:15.43ckknightAmadeo: what are you referring to?
00:15.49AmadeoTem
00:16.14ckknightoh
00:16.18ckknighthe no longer likes us
00:16.21Amadeo:(
00:16.51JJSheetsany particular reason?
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00:18.11vhaarryou should ask him
00:18.41ckknightJJSheets: as far as I can tell, when I was talking with cladhaire about AceOptions, something came up irl so I said that I had something that actually matters to attend to, and he had a hissy fit and told me to get out of the community
00:18.47ckknightroughly.
00:19.15JJSheetsah.  drama.  good riddance then.  RL takes precedence I'd think.
00:19.38ckknightyea, I had a date to go on
00:19.44ckknightwho is now my current gf
00:19.50ckknightand might I say, hott
00:19.53Amadeoegos tend to clash in the world of code!
00:19.53JJSheetsgratz :)
00:19.54Gnarfoz#wowi-lounge and #wowace should be combined into #drama ;P
00:20.01hastehaha
00:20.03hasteI agree
00:20.12ckknightdoesn't play WoW though, so we'll see how it goes
00:20.30ckknightI haven't even directly competed with Tem... as far as I know
00:20.44ckknightI mean, frankly, I'd understand if ag` was pissed at me for trying to steal his thunder
00:20.51ckknightbut I know he's not
00:20.56ckknightand the thunder is just so cool.
00:20.59ckknightboom!
00:21.03JJSheetslol
00:21.07nymbiarofl
00:21.23ckknight;-)
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00:25.24Prophhany way or another mod that will show Mana Bars in grid/perfectraid? need something that shows mana and hp..beside using unitframes for raids..
00:25.46ckknightGrid is a unitframes addon
00:26.19ckknightnote: I kinda want PitBull to have all the features of Grid/PerfectRaid/etc. eventually
00:26.25ckknightas well as still being freaky efficient
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00:31.37chuckgGot any screenshots yet?
00:31.50Ominousill tell u its purdy :D
00:32.34ckknightit's shiny
00:33.26chuckgThat's descriptive and helpful.
00:33.34chuckgIt'll have a simple way of adding new layouts, I hope.
00:34.09ckknightyou can add em now
00:34.16ckknightit's near the top of PitBull.lua
00:35.47Prophhany ss on pitbull?
00:36.05ckknightit looks like agUF
00:37.07Prophhis it on wowace.com/files?
00:37.20ckknightyea
00:37.22CIA-1103ckknight * r30849 10PitBull/ (Aura/Aura.lua Class/Class.lua):
00:37.22CIA-11PitBull-Aura - fix application text
00:37.22CIA-11PitBull-Class - changed to use [smartclass] instead of [class], which should show creature types.
00:38.41CIA-1103solor * r30850 10FuBar_TopScoreFu/TopScoreFu.lua: FuBar_TopScoreFu: add Magtheridon to list of vulnerable bosses
00:38.43chuckgBe sure to get all the smarty tags that agUF has.
00:38.58chuckg[raidgroup] always get overlooked!
00:39.42ckknightI stole em all.
00:39.53ckknightexcept the ones that started with ag
00:40.12chuckgGive me a selling points besides 'freaky efficient'.
00:40.15chuckg:)
00:40.41chuckgagUF is pretty good, I think!
00:40.41knarf-aguf is bugging latley :)
00:40.50chuckgIt's been kosher for me.
00:40.59Ominousckknight: its purdy now :), just need a setting for frame height so the mana bars can be hidden and scale
00:41.01chuckgIn fact the one error I thought was ag was my own addons.
00:41.16Prophhhmm interested in taking a look at pitbull
00:41.21Prophhscreenshots?
00:41.31ckknightOminous: look through the code and change the :SetHeight(50)
00:41.44ckknightOminous: if you want the mana bars to hide, put hidden = true
00:41.52ckknightand then change how the health is positioned
00:42.18Ominousyea but i dont want eveyrone done and the set height is global isnt it
00:42.45ckknightyea
00:42.46ckknightfor now
00:43.41Ominousframe:SetHeight(unit == "targettarget" and 25 or 50) should work ?
00:45.10Ominousdw, it does
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00:48.12ckknightyea, it would
00:49.38Ominouswell im off to bed
00:49.47Ominousdamn england and friends fucking arrangements up
00:49.54NeoTronso one of the things that make me keep coming back to wow over other MMO's...
00:50.03ckknightthe sexings?
00:50.04NeoTronis how fricking dorky people walking/running often look
00:50.20NeoTronhow hard is it really to make animations that don't look horribly bad?
00:50.32AmadeoI think walking is worse than running on most chars
00:50.56NeoTronI mean WoW isn't exactly ground breaking visually but still looks more "natural"
00:51.18NeoTronI wonder if, in part, it's because the graphics is cartoonish? The closer to "real life" you make something, the more you notice the flaws
00:52.21NightHawkTheSanearguably so. It's much easier to accept something seemingly abnormal the further it is from reality. I suppose that's why one of the dumbest run/walk animations is the human male. :P
00:52.48NeoTronheh
00:53.25AmadeoYou think so? I think the worst walking is NE Male, but maybe because I have one
00:53.43Amadeothey kind of waddle...with stick-up-the-ass eloquence
00:53.43NightHawkTheSaneI dont know, there are few things gayer (no offense) than a human male running
00:54.56NeoTronhttp://kotaku.com/gaming/folding%40home/ps3-dominates-foldinghome-246543.php
00:55.46NeoTronthe GPU numbers are impressive but the PS3 ones aren't exactly shabby either...
00:56.04NeoTronbut on average a GPU is 2x as powerful as a PS3
00:56.04NeoTronper "cpu"
00:56.20Amadeohow many PS3's are there doing it?
00:56.30NeoTronsecond / third columns
00:56.38NeoTronabout 10-11k it seems
00:56.38Amadeooh I see
00:56.55Amadeobut does that count as one PS3, or are they counting each Cell? :P
00:57.01NeoTronheh
00:57.05NeoTronI suspect it's one per PS3
00:57.11Amadeohehe
01:00.44NeoTronhttp://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=osstats ah more up to date
01:01.05NeoTronps3's are now significantly higher (403 TFLOPS with 16-17k cpus)
01:01.22Amadeothat's impressive
01:01.39AmadeoI have to ask though
01:01.47AmadeoHas folding@home discovered anything?
01:02.03NeoTronhow fast A GPU is vs a PS3 vs a PC?
01:02.21Amadeohehe
01:02.26AmadeoI mean as far as the folding goes
01:02.29StephmwAmadeo: yeah... "You too could be Gladibartfast! And the Answer is 41!!"
01:02.42Stephmw... not 42 :)
01:03.43Amadeo:P
01:03.45CIA-1103ckknight * r30851 10PitBull/ (PitBull.lua WatchdogTags.lua):
01:03.45CIA-11PitBull - WatchdogTags no longer check events for wacky frames
01:03.45CIA-11- fix frame recycling bug.
01:03.50NeoTronhttp://folding.stanford.edu/faq.html
01:04.06NeoTronhttp://folding.stanford.edu/faq.html#project.done even
01:05.10AmadeoI've always wondered why they don't do distributed computing for more things
01:05.17Amadeosuch as compiling video
01:07.03NeoTronhmm
01:07.31NeoTronmust be a way to make this into a business
01:07.39NeoTronso you pay ppl for cpu time and sell it for more than the cost
01:07.52NeoTronso not just "Greater good" but "make some money of my idle time"
01:08.18Amadeohehe
01:09.12Amadeomake a gaming console and force people into it when they pay for your service :P
01:09.24Amadeothen using PS3's for it isn't optional!
01:10.38NeoTronheh
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01:40.27Eternally777Do functions get eaten by the garbage collector like everything else except frames?
01:41.17kergothyes, functions are handled by the garbage collector
01:41.53kergothanyone have a good link about boolean algebra?  never really learned much about it, its a weak point for me
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01:46.49NightHawkTheSanehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_algebra
01:46.50HjalteEternally777: I'm having some problems with the new mount system in Sacredbuff :/
01:46.52Micron_WoWanything in particular you need a reference for kergoth?
01:47.21Micron_WoWwikipedia has a nice table of the basic rules if that's enough for you
01:50.28Fin[00:21:28] <@Kalroth> awww
01:50.28Finoops
01:50.29Findidn't mean to paste that
01:52.05Eternally777Hjalte, what new mount system in SacredBuff?
01:52.09Eternally777:-P
01:52.18Eternally777Yeah that's a work in progress.
01:52.32Eternally777I intend to commit a fix within the hour actually.
01:52.51HjalteEternally777: I can't get any mount icon to show and if i dont go and set the settings at each new wow start, the button does nothing :)
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01:55.29SymianCan the value created through CreateFrame be passed through functions? Because I seem to have trouble doing that and I can't figure out why. I'm getting the error "attempt to index local 'frame' (a boolean value)"
01:55.29Eternally777Hjalte, yeah, to be completely honest, there's really only half of a mount system on the SVN at the moment.  That's why you're having problems :)  I wanted to commit to help me keep track of my changes.
01:55.29SymianWhere 'frame' is the name of the argument-passed frame.
01:55.40Eternally777Symian, pastey your code :)
01:55.44SymianRoger.
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01:55.51hastethen you're passing the name and no the frame table
01:56.07HjalteEternally777: Also, are you going to make it possible to select whether you want eg Inner Focus or Lightwell shown?
01:57.35SymianThe relevant exceprt: http://ace.pastey.net/9104
01:57.40Symianexcerpt*
01:58.12SymianIn that example, the error occurs on line 16 (or equally, 13)
01:58.45Eternally777Hjalte, that's on the to-do list
01:58.45Symianer s/16/15/
01:59.22HjalteEternally777: Sounds good :)
02:01.31Eternally777Symian, couldn't you just Show/Hide the frame in the 'if-then' statement on line 7 of your example, rather than calling another function?
02:01.50Eternally777I don't know if that would fix your problem though.
02:02.02SymianEternally777, I plan on using SetPanelVisibility to manage all of my frames, though
02:02.08Symianin theory, this should save me some code
02:02.50SymianThat does work, though
02:03.02SymianSo I may just do that. Seems odd that you can't pass frames as values, though.
02:03.08Eternally777I think it's because your 'SetPanelVisibility' function isn't a method of your addon.
02:03.22SymianOh, no, I forgot, I changed that
02:03.29Eternally777Ok
02:03.30Symianit's Sentinel:SetPanelVisibility now
02:03.51SymianGood catch though. :-)
02:04.14Eternally777Are you calling 'Sentinel:ToggleShow()' from a method within your addon?
02:04.57Eternally777nvm, that would error earlier
02:04.58SymianIt's the method described to AceConsole as a toggle commands "set" function.
02:06.39kergothMicron_WoW: nothing specifically.  general concepts, and its use in programming, particularly when taking user input of rules using boolean logic
02:08.42SymianOH!
02:08.49SymianI definitely messed that one up
02:09.07SymianI... it'll take too long to explain. Short story is, the code I posted works fine.
02:09.35Eternally777Yeah, I think you left something out. :P
02:10.39SymianI had been calling SetPanelVisibility from a previous place in my script before it had two args
02:10.57Symianso it was passing the second arg (which used to be the only one) in and totally borking on that.
02:11.11SymianThere, that didn't take too long to explain. :-)
02:11.13Eternally777I was just about to say that
02:11.19Eternally777:) just kidding.
02:11.22SymianHeh.
02:11.31Eternally777Good job tho.
02:11.36SymianThanks.
02:12.01SymianThanks for the help!
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02:14.10SymianAlso, I asked this last night but it was late and I wasn't thinking straight: what are the exact grounds under which OnDragStart and OnDragStop get fired? For instance, if I have a frame that is covered with children entirely except for the border, but the children are NOT mouse-enabled, can I expect OnDragStart events to bleed down to the parent frame?
02:14.51SymianInitial testing says no, in which case: how do I handle dragging an entire frame when the user clicks a child frame? If all points are set, is WoW smart enough to drag all the frames connected?
02:16.08JoshBorkeSymian: the children are not mouse enabled?
02:16.20SymianWell, I never TOLD them to be, via LUA.
02:16.39SymianBut... and actually, this might be it, do children inherit that attribute?
02:17.05JoshBorkeSymian: did you SetScript('OnDragStart',this:StartMovingOrSizing())?
02:17.28SymianYes, dragging DOES work for the parent frame, but only if you click the 3-pixel-wide border
02:17.32Symianwhich is very... difficult.
02:17.46SymianAt least it is on my monster screen.
02:17.56JoshBorkeit doesn't hurt to try disabling the mouse on the child frames when you define them
02:18.03SymianYeah, I'll give that a shot
02:18.56SymianBingo.
02:18.58SymianThat's it.
02:19.00SymianOk, now I know!
02:19.01SymianHeh, thanks.
02:19.22SymianThis is why I should learn to use XML... inheritance is a bit more obvious there.
02:19.24JoshBorkewhat kind of frames were the child frames?
02:19.33SymianSTATUSBAR
02:19.38Symianthe parent was a Frame
02:19.39JoshBorkeheh, intesting
02:19.54SymianInteresting? :-)
02:20.48SymianEr, I'm not correcting your typo, I'm asking why that's interesting. :-\
02:20.57vid``http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etj7buHcmM8
02:20.58vid``wow thats sick
02:21.01vid``lol
02:23.22SymianBrave man to keep firing after the first signs of buildup :-)
02:23.25AdysHm anyone knows whether there is the possibility to stop the game from dismounting when you attempt to cast a spell, without addon?
02:26.03NightHawkTheSaneo_0 the game ddoesnt dismount you when you attempt to cast a spell, by default
02:29.07AdysNightHawkTheSane: does to me, no idea why tho
02:29.32AdysIm pretty sure it's not an addon, i started getting that right after 2.0.10 and didn't update any addon in beetween
02:30.09SymianOh, so I had an idea and wanted to float it around here to see what people thought. What do you think about an addon that acts like a Dashboard - you'd set a key to toggle it, and when it toggles on it hides UIParent and WorldFrame and then shows its own parent frame
02:30.20SymianThen has a standardized layout, sort of like a desktop organizer
02:30.41Symianfor things like event calenders, enhanced maps, I dunno.
02:31.03SymianIs that useless, or do you think people would use it?
02:34.21SymianGuess I'll sit on it then. :-D
02:42.14Micron_WoWNot actually a bad idea Symian but do you have an idea how existing addons could take advantage of it without a rewrite?
02:46.09SymianMicron_WoW, that's the kind of thing I'll need to learn before embarking on such a task
02:46.15SymianBut I thought it might be interesting.
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02:48.29Micron_WoWpossibly, if you want a broader response you should probably suggest it on the forums since not too many people are going to go back over old irc logs. I'd also suggest taking a look at how fubar treats other addons as plugins
02:49.04SymianHow's this for showing you how new to the community I am: what forums? The worldofwarcraft.com ones?
02:50.12hasteif you are thinking of the wowace one, check topic
02:50.56SymianWell, I don't know what I'm thinking of. :-D
02:51.06SymianBut I'll try both.
02:51.21SymianWhen, that is, I'm sure I know exactly what I'm talking about.
02:51.40hasteI haven't followed the discussion so I wouldn't know at least :)
02:51.44Micron_WoWI was thinking of the wowace ones, since they have a section for addon requests and suggestions
02:51.52SymianOh, very cool.
02:51.59SymianI'll have to check them out, then.
02:52.24SymianI'm going to get Sentinel up to version 1.0 first, though, so my words have some weight behind them.
02:52.55Micron_WoWmeh, you can have good ideas even before you know how to implement them
02:54.01SymianOh, you misunderstand me. I think my idea is so good, I want to be able to execute on it before others do. :-D
02:54.18SymianI've got IP to protect here, man.
02:54.24Micron_WoWheh ah I see
02:54.59SymianSpeaking of which, not that it matters to me since I'd never go so far as to copyright my work for WoW, how does licensing for WoW Add-ons go?
02:55.07SymianCan people claim it as there own, all rights reserved?
02:55.12cladhairewell, copyright and licensing are different
02:55.14cladhaireand yes, you can.
02:55.26SymianI'll have to keep that in mind... be careful what you copy/paste!
02:55.28cladhairebut all rights reserved, means no one can send your file to someone else, and mod websites can't allow people to download it.
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02:55.57SymianI assume the Blizz EULA forbids charging for add-ons...
02:56.07cladhaireno it doesn't.
02:56.12SymianHhhmmm.
02:56.31cladhaireyou wouldn't be the first
02:56.35cladhairenot that it makes it a good idea
02:56.40SymianHeh, yeah.
02:56.58SymianPeople really do that?
02:57.00SymianThat's nuts.
02:57.05cladhaireits their choice
02:57.10SymianIt's a nutty choice.
02:57.21cladhairethats your opinion =)
02:57.30SymianIt's a nutty opin... hey, wait!
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03:05.06Micron_WoWActually you don't have that option, I mean you can try to control the copyright on your code but all your use of it has to be non-commercial.
03:05.36cladhaireno
03:05.39Micron_WoWHow enforceable a EULA actually is may be open to debate but it does state that "use the Game Client in conjunction with the Service for your non-commercial entertainment purposes only"
03:05.40cladhairethat's not true
03:06.13Micron_WoWI suppose you could argue that you developed the addon without using the game client at all but that would be rather difficult
03:06.16cladhairewriting an addon has absolutely nothign to do with writing an addon.
03:06.34Micron_WoWwait waht?
03:06.36cladhairei'd rather not have this discussion again.
03:06.39cladhairei'm not speaking opinion
03:06.42SymianYou mean I can't use WoW for education, only entertainment?! No! My idea for VirtualKalimdorKindergarten is destroyed!
03:06.42cladhairei'm speaking fact
03:06.54cladhaireand that should ahve read writing an addon has absolutely nothing to do with the client
03:08.18kergoththat depends on how you interpret the notion of a derived work.  they could arguably affect your license
03:08.32kergothi dont know that its gone either way in court yet
03:08.38cladhaireit hasn't that I know of
03:08.51cladhaireI've searched extensively, for a case that even attempts to qualify the use of API as a derived word
03:08.53cladhairework
03:08.59Symian"It's more profitable ot ask for forgiveness than to ask permission."
03:09.03Symians/ot/to/
03:09.10SymianHah, cool.
03:09.16Industrial:p\
03:09.26Industrialits only replacement, no regex tho
03:09.36SymianNo regex? :-(
03:09.44kergoththe whole notion of the gpl vs lgpl is moot if coding to an api doesnt make you a derived work.  you'd be free to code against a gpl library with no problem, other than the fact that you'd have to be able to make the source for the gpl lib available.
03:09.46SymianDarn, I was about to write the prime number cruncher regex
03:10.35cladhairekergoth: But you have to link to make that software work, in this case, the "linking" process doesn't happen until the game is loaded.
03:10.36SymianOh, I really hope this turns in to a "GPL/Linux" vs "Linux" argument
03:10.40cladhairein the most literal sense.
03:10.43Symianer
03:10.44SymianGNU
03:11.05Micron_WoWI think the "derived work" defenition is actually irrelevent to wow addons
03:11.24kergothit isnt.  you're coding to teh wow apis just like you would to any library's api
03:11.48cladhairekergoth: If you read teh LGPL's section on linking, as well as the GPL, it becomes a bit clearer
03:11.53kergothcladhaire: indeed.  which is the problem, since you could drop in a replacement with conforms to the same api but which isnt subject to the same license
03:11.58kergothi have, both
03:12.00cladhaire*nod*
03:12.18art3misdear dr.stupid: whast the big chunk of white stuff in ym can of baked beans?
03:12.32art3misThat? that's the queen bean, and all the otehr beans are worker beans
03:12.42chuckgBacon fat.
03:12.48chuckgCongealed into one, delicious bean.
03:12.56art3misthe queen bean ;P
03:13.04kergothi ran into this issue with my zaurus distro, openzaurus.  there were commercial applications coded to the commerical Qt library which were runnable on the _gpl_ qt
03:13.09art3misand im totally gonna believe dr.stupid over you since he's a doctor
03:13.16Micron_WoWright, making calls to the wow API is just fine. The non-commercial use clause in the eula is refering to use of the client software at all, not linking to code.
03:13.23kergoththe notion of who's responsible for a violation there, if such a violation was occurring, was ugly
03:13.44cladhairekergoth: indeed, this is part of the discussion when licensing was determined for Ace2
03:13.59cladhairewhere the only thing the GPL would do, is make the violation the _users_ not the _developers_
03:14.11cladhairebut that's just a simplified view of things.
03:14.38SymianIt's stuff like this that makes me glad I decided not to become a computer programmer.
03:14.47SymianThe programming is fine and dandy
03:14.53kergothfor oz, we documented that users should rip the commercial qt out of hte original distro and use that if they wanted to be safe, but either way it was their responsibility
03:14.54Symianbut the semantics can be... immersive.
03:15.04Micron_WoWcould be worse, we're not talking about patents yes (and please don't start)
03:15.11SymianHah.
03:15.22cladhairewhy? patents don't get that ugly
03:15.27Symianhahahah
03:15.30cladhairethe patents that are granted, do get ugly
03:15.34cladhaireand thats the truth
03:15.59cladhairedon't ever ask me to _not_ do something
03:16.04cladhaire;-)
03:16.45SymianI'm trying to turn that in to a paradox, but the logic part of my brain is fried
03:17.00art3misdont go code me a modded fubarplugin lib that allows me to set different fixed height and width on each detached tooltip that i make
03:17.15cladhaireart3mis: ha, like i'd every code anythign for fubar
03:17.45Symianwoo! ... ?
03:17.47art3misbut i told you not to
03:17.52art3misyou're playing into my demands!
03:18.00art3misdun dun duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun
03:18.04cladhaireart3mis: you clearly don't know me very well =)
03:18.35xyuWhat's the fastest way to get exalted w/ the Sha'tar ? tempest keep runs?
03:18.56art3misyup
03:18.59xyukk
03:19.02art3miscladhaire: nope i dont
03:19.05xyuany one in particular?
03:19.13xyuoooooooooooo a car accident just happened outside brb
03:19.23art3misim fairly certain its all the same buty bot is prolly the most mobs
03:19.26SymianHope no one got hurt.
03:19.28cladhairexyu: shoes?. fuck shoes!
03:19.35SymianHah.
03:20.38art3mis<PROTECTED>
03:20.48SymianOh, also, does anyone know anything about WoW automagically persisting frame locations without any sort of code indicating persistancy should occur?
03:20.56SymianThis when using LUA to create frames.
03:21.35cladhaireit should occur before PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD, I believe, but I tend to do it MUCH earlier than that
03:22.05SymianNo no
03:22.05SymianI'm saying
03:22.05Symianwithout me doing anything
03:22.05Symianmy frames are persisting
03:22.05SymianWherever I drag them
03:22.05art3misclad has it added to the reg on machine start up ;P
03:22.06cladhaireyes.. because you're using StopMovingOrSizing()
03:22.13SymianAnd that persists location?
03:22.17cladhaireand the frames are created early enough
03:22.23cladhaireSymian: yes, see SetUserPlaced()
03:23.00Symianmm... but I DID use CreateFrame
03:23.06Symianand it says it doesn't work for that.
03:23.13cladhaireit lies.
03:23.19cladhaireit doesn't if you create the frames too late
03:23.25SymianI see.
03:23.29SymianWell, it's a very handy feature!
03:23.32cladhaireyou created them early enough
03:23.45SymianI just wish it was documented so I wouldn't freak out about it. :-D
03:23.53cladhaireso change the wiki page =)
03:23.56cladhairethen it'll be documented.
03:23.57Industrialsigh categorizing and renaming porn is so boring at 4:30 am..
03:24.03Industrialdamn did i just say that on irc? :P
03:24.13cladhaireIndustrial: you shoudl ahve said it in the dongle channel,
03:24.16cladhairei'd agree with you =)
03:24.41Symiancladhaire, the only thing worse than no documentation is false documentation, and the WoW API has so many exceptions I'd be extremely scared with my limited knowledge to document anything...
03:24.53hasteIndustrial: write a script!
03:24.56hasteI do that for everything
03:24.59cladhaireSymian: well, I told you, and you can verify the behavior
03:25.02cladhairehaste: lolz =)
03:25.15hastelike... downloading anime, organizing anime on HDD across network...
03:25.27SymianI guess that is so.
03:25.31hasteand updating my watched list of anime!
03:26.31Symianhaste, write a script for writing scripts?
03:26.41cladhairei've done that
03:26.42cladhairea lot =)
03:26.58hasteheh
03:27.01SymianUser Interface development won't be done until you can grunt to get things done
03:27.15kergothi spend more time building hammers than i do using them to pound nails.
03:27.18kergothfiguratively speaking
03:27.22cladhaireindeed
03:27.52hastebut it's fun building hammers :(
03:27.54SymianWell some day, when the mother of all nails comes, and you need it to fix the leak in the hull of your space vessel, you'll have the hammer you need ready to go!
03:28.05kergothhaste: indeed
03:28.08SymianI'm not sure what the space vessel is in the metaphor.
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03:41.24Antiar1http://wow.tachyonsix.com/armory/randsigs.php
03:41.25ckknighthey all
03:41.51Antiarc<PROTECTED>
03:43.14ckknighthow's everyone doing?
03:44.13AntiarcCan't complain.
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03:47.31CIA-1103kergoth * r30852 10kEnergy/tick.lua: kEnergy: tweak for the next minor release, watch for the appropriate chat message for energy gains, rather than using COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE for it, so we can log the spell name for such things in the energy log.
03:55.28Eternally777Has anyone seen an addon that makes use of the coroutine library yet?
03:55.57kergothcoroutines are convenient, but somewhat heavy
03:56.06kergothunderstandable they havent seen wide adoption
03:56.12NightHawkTheSaneyou're mom's a coroutine. Convenient, but somewhat heavy.
03:58.33Eternally777I'd like to see an example of how they work.  After reading the chapter in the Lua manual on them, I'm getting the idea that they just let you pause one operation to retreive data from another, and then resume where you left off?
03:58.40Eternally777Am I close?
03:59.47cladhaireconsider an addon that has to do a lot of processing, say wants to calculate values based on some data, or compression decompression
04:00.01cladhaireyou can do that in a coroutine, and still allow the game and other addons to function while you do your work
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04:02.38CIA-1103eternally777 07eternally777 * r30853 10SacredBuff/ (7 files in 3 dirs):
04:02.38CIA-11SacredBuff:
04:02.39CIA-11* Bringing branch up-to-date with trunk
04:02.39CIA-11* Temporarily removing the Mount button
04:02.39CIA-11* Rewrote a few large portions to operate with far less tables
04:02.39CIA-11* Buttons now properly change color if the player is out of mana, or the player's target is out of range
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04:03.07Eternally777That would be one massive addon.
04:03.53kergothi did some deep table traversal of the global env thatd disconnect me before i finished, once. had to break up the processing. coroutines wouldve made that easier
04:04.40cladhairethink Ludwig
04:04.45cladhaireit iteraqtes all the items
04:04.45Eternally777Yeah
04:04.47cladhairethat could be coroutined.
04:04.50Eternally777That was what was coming to mind.
04:04.53cladhairetaint-tracing addons.
04:08.20nymbiahmm. the hydross module isnt enabling when i mouse over him
04:08.32nymbiafix it Funkeh` !!
04:08.49Funkeh`why?
04:09.06Funkeh`..isn't it enabling
04:09.32nymbiadunno
04:10.01Funkeh`manually enabling working?
04:10.20Funkeh`try /rl
04:10.22nymbiayup
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04:10.36nymbiak sec
04:11.05nymbiaworked that time
04:12.06nymbiathanks ;)
04:12.59Funkeh`man
04:13.07Funkeh`seriously the wierd thing going on wiht bigwigs lately
04:14.36Funkeh`tbh i blame your shit pc nymbia
04:14.43Funkeh`and everyone elses shit pc that bw doesn't work for
04:14.48Aens|Superiorityis anyone else's WAU not showing the local directories?
04:15.26nymbialol Funkeh`
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04:18.22nymbiaFunkeh`: now that i think about it i had an error in core that session
04:18.51Funkeh`its because your pc sucks
04:19.34nymbiatru
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04:28.25ilifinscreenshot of pitbull plx!
04:28.51ckknightjust download it
04:28.55Funkeh`i don't wanna wake him
04:29.34ilifinnono ckknight, that is wrong attitude towards your own mod, you got to show what it looks like BEFORE you expect people to download it
04:29.40ilifinthe words, they do nothing!
04:30.14ckknightum, no, I don't think so
04:30.53ilifinand why is that
04:31.09ckknightbecause I'm too busy coding it to be worried about showing it to users
04:31.45ilifini.e. hitting screenshot while testing your code to have something to show the users is a bad thing?
04:32.03ckknightyes
04:32.16ckknightit's not complete.
04:33.06ilifinbut yet it is working, so why not show it to those actually interested in trying it so they know what to expect it to look like?
04:33.29ckknightthe users I care about will have downloaded it and tested it out already.
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04:44.19PyrrhusSup all
04:46.29PyrrhusAnyone home?
04:47.07Aens|Superiorityoh man. wwowaceupdater stopped working for me just now :/
04:47.33Pyrrhusouch
04:47.37GildedEver try WUU? http://wuu.vagabonds.info
04:47.53Aens|Superioritybetween installing windows updates, installing a new antivirus and bios updates, i have no idea where to start -_-
04:48.23Pyrrhusbios first
04:48.26Pyrrhusthan AV
04:48.30Pyrrhusthan windows
04:48.35Pyrrhusgogo
04:48.36Pyrrhuslol
04:48.48Aens|Superioritybut the problem with WAU is that I dont get a listing of the addons I have installed
04:48.54Aens|Superiorityeverything else works fine... i think.
04:48.57PyrrhusOk.. if anyone is bored..... I have a huge problem with my UI's that I cant quite figure out whats causing it..
04:49.18PyrrhusI use a combination of ace2 stuff with fubar..
04:49.35Pyrrhusnow.. only happens on druids and warriors as far as I can tell so far...
04:49.54PyrrhusI cannot get any names to show above peoples heads..
04:50.07Pyrrhuseven with the interface option checked..
04:50.23Pyrrhusnow for testing.... I tossed up the name plates..
04:50.32Pyrrhusthey come up blank plates.. no names in them
04:50.43Pyrrhuseven if I select someone as a target.. still no name above the head
04:50.49Aens|Superioritydisable mods individually -_-
04:50.52Pyrrhusincluding friendly, enemy, and NPC
04:51.06PyrrhusI have and heres what I have come to in conclusion :)
04:51.22Pyrrhuscombination of fubar and one of the libs for it
04:51.27Pyrrhuslemme check name of lib
04:51.43Aens|Superioritymaybe its an outdated lib version you have?
04:52.11Pyrrhustabletlib
04:52.15PyrrhusI have updated all
04:52.25Pyrrhusnow.. fubar will not work without tabletlib..
04:52.43PyrrhusI mean names are not the big problem...
04:52.52Pyrrhusbut when I have these mods enabled... when I log out
04:52.59Pyrrhusthe game crashes with a critical error
04:53.05Pyrrhusthats the annoying part
04:53.08Pyrrhuslol
04:53.21PyrrhusI mean some people will say dont use fubar.. and yada yada..
04:53.35Pyrrhusbut I like it :) use it and love it on my mage with no problems
04:53.56Pyrrhusthis happens on multiple accounts with multiple warriors and druids..
04:54.08Pyrrhushavent tested rogue yet.. but im assuming this has something to do with stances..
04:54.21Pyrrhusbut than again it does it on my priest ......
04:54.23Pyrrhusnvm
04:54.34Pyrrhusany ideas?
04:54.53PyrrhusI have also just loaded fubar with nothing on it.. no fubar addons on
04:54.57Pyrrhussame results..
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05:12.58CIA-1103funkydude * r30856 10PeriodicTable-3.0/ (5 files in 5 dirs): PeriodicTable-3.0: Item/Loot update
05:17.36PyrrhusSo.. whos killed gruul lately? :)
05:17.44Aens|Superiorityyesterday
05:17.50Pyrrhuspathetic eh?
05:17.52Aens|Superioritywow they nerfed the fight
05:17.59Pyrrhuswell I tried to kill someone..
05:18.00Pyrrhus5k
05:18.01Pyrrhuslol
05:18.04Aens|Superiorityyeah
05:18.15PyrrhusI mean I actually blinked to someone... and he freaked out on vent..
05:18.22PyrrhusI was rolling
05:18.36Aens|Superiorityon one hand, this new version is so easy
05:18.38Pyrrhusalthough..
05:18.42Pyrrhus2nd shatter.. I died..
05:18.44Aens|Superiorityso easy its boring
05:18.51Pyrrhuswe had 3 of us stand on top of each other lol
05:18.59Pyrrhuswe all got brezed though and moved on
05:19.03Aens|Superiorityon the other hand, no more full consumables week after week
05:19.04Pyrrhuswas funny..
05:19.11Pyrrhus2%.... 25 people alive..
05:19.17Pyrrhus1% 5 people died..
05:19.22Pyrrhusmt than all melee
05:19.25Pyrrhuswas so funny
05:19.41PyrrhusI hear ya... did you get him before nurf?
05:19.43Aens|Superiorityhrm? i dont get what you mean
05:19.48Aens|Superiorityyeah, we did.
05:19.48Pyrrhusat 2%
05:19.52Pyrrhuseveryone was alive
05:19.55Aens|Superiorityoh
05:19.57Pyrrhusat 1% we lost 4 people
05:20.02Pyrrhusmt and 3 melee dps lol
05:20.15Pyrrhusbut meh..
05:20.21Pyrrhuswe only had 1 kill prior to nurf
05:20.34Pyrrhusbut was a bugged kill so meh...
05:20.39Pyrrhusbest shot full out was 8%
05:20.40Aens|Superiorityidk. we killed him on our first real kill attempt this week
05:20.48Aens|Superiorityfirst attempt was a 'ok i heard they changed the fight'
05:20.55Pyrrhuslol
05:21.03Pyrrhusso you wiped?
05:21.19Aens|Superioritymore like we were intentionally shattering ourselves to see the damage and the distance
05:21.26Pyrrhusahh
05:21.47Aens|Superioritythen we killed him before the 10th grow...
05:21.53Pyrrhuswell we usually did ok first few shatters so I mean we went in knowing he was dead..
05:21.59Pyrrhusyea we got him on 12
05:22.25Pyrrhusbut I died at like 85% so did the top warlock.. lol   got brezed around 65%
05:22.28Pyrrhusso.. :)
05:22.44PyrrhusI still placed 6th.. and the dead warlock.. somehow... placed 1st
05:22.53Pyrrhusdude dpses like a champ
05:23.07Aens|Superioritywell, the rest of your raid is awful, but warlocks do very well on the fight naturally
05:23.31Pyrrhushey now... lmao
05:23.50PyrrhusI agree with you on the better part of it lol
05:23.57Pyrrhuswe had 1 mage.. alive the entire fight..
05:24.01Pyrrhusput out like 250k dmg
05:24.06PyrrhusI pumped over 500k
05:24.10Pyrrhus;)
05:24.16Pyrrhuswarlock did like 530
05:24.32Pyrrhusso.. theres a few we are "carrying" so to speak
05:24.58Pyrrhusbut who knows.. I had alot of dps pots on at the start
05:25.06Pyrrhusadapt.. major firepower..
05:25.10Pyrrhusbasilisk food
05:25.13Pyrrhusumm
05:25.21Pyrrhussuperior wiz oil
05:25.31PyrrhusI had just over 1100+dmg lol
05:25.34Aens|Superioritythere's no reason a mage should be doing half the damage of a warlock...
05:25.45PyrrhusOh trust me i know
05:25.49Aens|Superiorityon gruul, should be within 30% at worst
05:26.09Pyrrhusyea its a recruit so.. dont think hes gonna last long
05:26.18PyrrhusI mean his gear is comparable.. so theres no excuse
05:26.43Pyrrhusand its not like a rag fight where he could say.. well im specced fire... lol
05:26.48art3misgod of war 2 looks so wicked
05:26.53Pyrrhusor saph... omg im frost specced
05:26.55Aens|Superiorityyeah. we've got mage problems too. Two of our mages are consistantly up near the top, then this one mage who does half their damage.
05:27.10PyrrhusIve had that problem in the past as well
05:27.20Pyrrhuslast year in MC.. I consistantly tripled 2 other mages in dmg
05:27.32Pyrrhusfunny thing was their excuse was..
05:27.32Aens|Superioritywell, fire/arcane vs an ice mage, no comparison ;p
05:27.37Pyrrhuswell im fire specced...
05:27.40Pyrrhusbullshit
05:27.43Aens|Superiorityoh..
05:27.45Pyrrhusbecause I was #1
05:27.45art3misevery ony fight i was in the top 10 for damage
05:27.46Aens|Superioritylol
05:27.53Pyrrhusand the #2 person...
05:27.54art3misand im a priest ;P
05:27.56Pyrrhuswas a fire mage
05:27.58Pyrrhusin MC
05:27.59Aens|Superiorityyeah, problems -_-
05:28.17Pyrrhusin a typical MC run..
05:28.18art3miswell to be fair the mc mobs i dont think had the right fire res they should
05:28.19Pyrrhusas frist
05:28.21Pyrrhusfrost
05:28.28PyrrhusI would put out 1.7mill dmg
05:28.36Pyrrhusfire mage would put around 1.5
05:28.45Pyrrhusshit mage would be tossing around 400k-700k
05:28.53Pyrrhusso.. no excuses lol
05:29.23Pyrrhusart3mis: no they didnt thats why a fire mage could still be effective
05:29.32Pyrrhusart3mis: they had partial resists..
05:30.01Pyrrhussomtimes 25%, 50%, or 75% resisted on spells... but for the most part a fire mage could own..
05:30.07Pyrrhusspecially with the old rolling ignite crap lol
05:30.18Pyrrhusbut they took that away from us..... Ill tell you right now..
05:30.25Pyrrhusthey give that back and mages will be on top again
05:30.26art3misheh rolling ignite made me happy
05:30.32PyrrhusI loved it
05:30.32art3misin every place but pvp ;P
05:30.37art3misthen it made me very sad
05:30.40Pyrrhuskidden me.. 12k rolling on chormag
05:30.43PyrrhusChromag
05:30.48Pyrrhuswhatever you spell it lol
05:30.55Pyrrhusthe big dog guy lol
05:31.21Aens|Superiorityits kinda disappointing :/
05:31.24PyrrhusI used to tag team with 2 other fire mages.. we would chain pop combustion and roll like a truck
05:31.38Aens|SuperiorityI am top 5 dps when we dont fully pot up
05:31.39PyrrhusI really want rolls back
05:31.45Pyrrhussame here..
05:31.47Aens|Superioritybut I'm top 10 if everyone pots up :/
05:31.57Pyrrhusim always top 3-5
05:31.58Aens|Superioritybad times ahead :(
05:32.10Pyrrhususally 1 or 2 warlocks and a priest or 2 ahead of me
05:32.16Aens|Superiorityall it does is confirm that feral druids are gonna taper off sharply in the months to come :/
05:32.22Pyrrhuslol
05:32.32PyrrhusWell im a pver so..
05:32.38Aens|SuperiorityI do both.
05:32.41PyrrhusI dont really give 2 shits about balance per say
05:32.43Pyrrhusbut.
05:32.48Pyrrhuswhat pissed me off..
05:32.55Pyrrhusis when blue posts int eh forums..
05:33.04Pyrrhusthat the mages in BC were the clear cut top dps in the game..
05:33.14Aens|Superioritythey can be.
05:33.18Pyrrhusand this omg jaw dropping numbers..
05:33.20PyrrhusI call bullshit
05:33.31Aens|Superiorityarcane spec can put out amazing dps
05:33.40Aens|Superiorityand with how viable shadow priests are now
05:33.48Pyrrhustheres no was a equally geared equally skilled mage can beat a properly specced warlock
05:33.51Aens|Superioritythe biggest problem of going oom, isn't so much of a problem
05:34.01Aens|Superioritydepends on the fight
05:34.02Pyrrhusit still is if you go arcane ive tried it
05:34.06Pyrrhusboss fight
05:34.11Pyrrhusall I care about
05:34.17Pyrrhusmages OOM to fast
05:34.20Aens|Superiorityalot of karazhan fights, mages beat warlocks
05:34.22Pyrrhuseven with evo and gems
05:34.30Pyrrhusonly because of burst
05:34.35Pyrrhusand only if your fire
05:34.35Aens|Superiorityhttp://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Kel%27Thuzad&n=Superiority
05:34.58Aens|Superiorityi need better jewellery :/
05:35.06Pyrrhuslol
05:35.09Pyrrhuslemme get mine
05:36.36Pyrrhushttp://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/?#character-sheet.xml?r=Gorgonnash&n=Pyrrhus
05:37.07Aens|Superiorityits pretty sick. in my pve gear, i got 38.7% crit and 2403ap self buffed
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05:37.27Pyrrhusthe only way I really keep up in KZ is if I keep my trinkets on CD which I tend to do
05:37.47Pyrrhuswith molten armor I get around 31% crit with fire :)
05:38.22Aens|Superiorityhow much from spellfire vest?
05:38.35Pyrrhushavent made it yet..
05:38.39Pyrrhusran out of gold lol
05:38.43Aens|Superiorityoh
05:38.55Pyrrhusspellfire vest is to damn expensive
05:39.29Aens|Superioritykinda sad how i'm not using a single bit of my pre-tbc gear cept for my healing set :/
05:39.39kenlyricwhy would you be sad?
05:39.48Kadish___not enough buttsecks
05:39.50Kadish___thats what
05:39.52kenlyricI'd be like "yay, upgrades"
05:39.59Kadish___yay buttsecks upgrade?
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05:40.17Aens|Superioritykenlyric: everyone gets the same upgrades. It really invalidates what you were doing for the last half year
05:40.27kenlyricI actually was concerned I'd have to use some of my old stuff for too long. Then I had to reroll, so there wasn't a problem at all.
05:40.34Aens|Superiorityyou could have stopped playing for the last year, and not be affected by it at all
05:40.37kenlyricAens|Superiority: depends on where you found value in that time.
05:40.54kenlyricif you found value in your gear, sure. But that sounds like a rather dull value.
05:40.55Aens|Superioritysome pieces of gear should have been good enough to compare
05:41.04Aens|Superioritykel'thuzad loot
05:41.07Aens|Superiorityand such
05:41.18Pyrrhusnah
05:41.19Pyrrhuslol
05:41.33PyrrhusI find value in content..
05:41.39Pyrrhusthats all I really worry about
05:41.44kenlyricme too.
05:41.54kenlyricI like getting upgrades, but after that, I don't care about loot.
05:41.57Aens|Superioritythe problem with content is that it requires farming old content to progress
05:42.04Pyrrhusbasically I skipped getting serpantshire lair attunement done last night to let another mage get gear from nightbane
05:42.06Aens|Superiorityif it was just about content and only content, i wouldn't care.
05:42.17Aens|Superioritybut to kill 4hm, you can't do that in tier 2, 2.5
05:42.22kenlyricwell, the instance I got bored enough with an instance that I didn't want to go anymore... I stopped going.
05:42.23Pyrrhuswhat do you mean farm old content?
05:42.37Pyrrhus2.5 you can
05:42.43Aens|Superioritynot your tanks...
05:42.45kenlyricmy t2 pants from rag be damned!
05:42.49Pyrrhusnot tanks lol
05:42.50kenlyricof course, they dropped on my last run :)
05:42.56Pyrrhushaha
05:43.08PyrrhusI sold all my netherwind other day lol
05:43.26Pyrrhusbtw.. a mage with 11k hp is a mean sob! :)
05:43.40PyrrhusI have a pair of pants with 82 stamins on them hehe
05:43.44Pyrrhusstamina
05:43.58Aens|Superiorityyeah
05:44.02Aens|Superioritygladiator gear mages are tough
05:44.09Pyrrhusnot gladiator..
05:44.10Pyrrhuslol
05:44.12Aens|Superioritystill hit hard, but 10k+ hp
05:44.18PyrrhusI have like 200 arena points total
05:44.31PyrrhusI grabbed the pants from Halaa..
05:44.33kenlyricblizz itemizes so that t3 is about equal to karazhan loot. Of course, the change in valuation to stamina makes that relationship skewed a bit, especially for stam heavy classes.
05:44.37Pyrrhusthe ones for 40 tokens..
05:44.47Pyrrhustossed the 30 stamd leather enchant on em
05:44.52Pyrrhusand a +12 stam gem lol
05:45.08Pyrrhusall specifically for tanking the mage on high king lmao
05:45.19Pyrrhusdamn gem cost a bit lol
05:45.47ilifinwe got 9.5k hp 100 resilience mage tanking the mage mob on maulgar
05:45.52ilifinwith 10% hit
05:46.53Aens|Superiorityi hate maulgar
05:46.58Aens|Superiorityi'm feral bear tanking kiggler -_-
05:47.01Aens|Superiorityso boring
05:47.23Aens|Superioritythen pick up tanking maulgar on  the fears
05:48.46Pyrrhusyea well... that 9.5 mage.. better not forget a spellsteal lol
05:49.02Aens|Superiorityoh man. we have 7 in our arena team and i'm sitting out tonight to let the mage get his attendance. All i hear in vent is us losing :/
05:49.13Pyrrhusha ha ha
05:49.14Pyrrhusha
05:49.15Pyrrhusha
05:49.16Pyrrhuslol
05:49.42Aens|Superioritydown to 1932 from 2005
05:49.43Pyrrhusbrb going for a smoke
05:49.47Pyrrhusouch
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06:21.50Funkeh`later
06:31.39Pyrrhusback
06:42.08Fisker-needs moar C&C3
06:47.57Pyrrhusheh
06:58.38Aens|Superiorityomg
06:58.41Aens|Superiorityit needs to come out
06:58.52PyrrhusIm waiting for Crysis
06:58.54Pyrrhus;)
06:59.08CIA-1103nymbia * r30857 10PeriodicTable-3.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
06:59.08CIA-11PeriodicTable-3.0:
06:59.08CIA-11- Added Reputation.Turnin.*, which contains repeatable faction turnin items for a given faction.
07:04.29Kemayonymbia: I don't suppose that set includes the number you need per-turnin?
07:05.08Aens|Superiorityfinally got my turn back into the arena group. back to 2k!
07:05.13nymbiaKemayo: nope, not yet anyway.  value per item and the point at which they stop giving rep, at the moment.
07:18.31xlviizomg.
07:18.34xlviiwhen was the luffa nerfed?
07:19.35ZealotOnAStickin beta.
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07:35.43CodayusIs the bigwigs trunk version kinda stuffed?
07:35.49CodayusOr is it just me?  :-)
07:36.17vhaarrIt might be, I made some changes that could have broken it.
07:36.21vhaarrCodayus: What's happening?
07:36.35CodayusComplaints about missing core
07:36.44Codayusattempt to index field core...
07:36.55CodayusIn TargetMonitor.lua
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07:38.07vhaarrthen you just have to update
07:38.23vhaarrI fixed that a long time ago
07:38.34Codayushmm
07:38.49Codayuswhich r?
07:39.16vhaarr30822
07:39.48CodayusHmm, WoWAceUpdater says I have 30824.  Hmm
07:40.36CodayusYeah, I've got 30824
07:41.00vhaarropen your targetmonitor.lua file and see
07:41.02CodayusOdd...
07:41.09vhaarrplugin.revision = tonumber(string.sub("$Revision: 30822 $", 12, -3))
07:41.11vhaarrit should say that
07:43.41CodayusAh...
07:43.59CodayusI may see the issue, it's not getting updated.
07:44.05CodayusSomehow
07:44.13CodayusBigwigs is, not Bigwigs_Plugins?  Um.
07:44.27vhaarrThat's a WAU problem, then.
07:44.41CodayusYep
07:46.08sedatedChipmunki hate your face
07:46.20CodayusFigured it out...thanks vhaarr.  :-)
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07:53.31Nickenyfikenckknight: you there?
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08:04.53Kaelten-Laptopanyone thing that 40k hits to the web server in two days from one ip is a little excessive
08:06.36NickenyfikenIf it's not my ip then i think it is
08:06.54Kaelten-Laptopare you from germany?
08:07.28Nickenyfikennope
08:09.21chuckgWhat pages was it pulling up?
08:09.34Kaelten-Laptopthat I'm not sure at this point.
08:09.59Kaelten-Laptopanyone able to tell me what kinda site this is?
08:10.02Kaelten-Laptopchrispix
08:10.04Kaelten-Laptoperr
08:10.05Kaelten-Laptopwait
08:10.09Kaelten-Laptopkallstube.de
08:10.13Kaelten-Laptopknallstube.de
08:11.01Kaelten-Laptopthe last one
08:13.51Kaelten-Laptopof course typing the ip in the browser gives me a page saying Access REstricted National Security Agency Unit States  Of America No Such Agency any further inspections of this site will be treated as offense against the United tates of America and will be punished.  Please leave now or we're considering further investigations.  Nobody Nowhere
08:13.54Kaelten-Laptoplol
08:14.19vhaarrhaha
08:14.45CIA-1103kemayo * r30858 10FuBar_QuestsFu/QuestsFu.lua: FuBar_QuestsFu: Adjust OnEnable to check for Quixote being initialized, and to put off running itself if it isn't.
08:14.51Kaelten-LaptopI'm thinking I'm going to ban that IP
08:15.04Kaelten-Laptopthey beat the next closes person by more than 30k requests in those same two days
08:16.47Nickenyfikenban.. ban! BAN!
08:16.51Dynomckknight: Pitbull works great!
08:17.03Dynomckknight: I'm just missing a pet-bar and the class of the target
08:17.10Dynomckknight: and perhaps a feature to lock the frames
08:18.15Dynomckknight: oh, I allready see the class, nvm that -_- sorry it's early
08:18.15PyrrhusHow many rogues does it take to gank a paladin?
08:18.24PyrrhusTwo of them; one to ambush him, and one in stealth at the Ironforge inn to finish the job.
08:20.11Dynom:-]
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08:25.00echosHey does anyone know if there is a Nurfed UI Look-alike set of unit frames in the wowace library?
08:29.20ZealotOnAStickKaelten-Laptop: knallstube.de has a German registration.  The most information I can get from it is It's for the "Mahner bang tube" - a public counterstrike source game server for residents of Munich.
08:30.23ZealotOnAStickMay not be that helpful, but I dont' know much about german registrations.
08:30.28Dynomckknight: hmm, one other thing, A way of showing I've got a mob tapped or not, there is no way of telling now
08:31.22Kaelten-LaptopZealotOnAStick: heh, well they're hitting the site for something aweful and as far as I'm concerned someone on there end owes me 120 US
08:31.25Kaelten-Laptop:P
08:32.59ZealotOnAStickIs your server running pfw?
08:33.06Kaelten-Laptoppfw?
08:33.18ZealotOnAStickthe best of the various linux software firewalls.
08:33.26Kaelten-Laptopno clue
08:34.08renchapban him :)
08:34.38NickenyfikenI have no idea how many hits on a site is too much but some sort of blocking when the same ip access the server too many times in a short time should result in atleast a temp ban
08:35.26renchapiptables -A INPUT -s 213.239.199.199 -j DROP
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08:40.24Kaelten-LaptopI'm not sure if iptables is actually running
08:40.25Kaelten-Laptop:s
08:40.41Kaelten-Laptopand last time I tried to do something with it I had some issues with the damn thing just dying on me
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08:41.23Kaelten-Laptopps -A | grep iptables returns nothing
08:41.51ZealotOnAStickis this hitting httpd or litey?
08:42.02Kaelten-Laptopboth
08:42.10Kaelten-LaptopI'm scanning the squid logs
08:42.18ZealotOnAStickgive 'em domain-level denies in both confs then.
08:42.19renchaptry iptables
08:42.35Kaelten-Laptoprenchap but doesn't iptables have to be actively running for it to work
08:42.41renchapthere is no iptable process running
08:42.49renchapthats included into kernel
08:42.54Kaelten-Laptopah
08:43.30ZealotOnAStickI knew there was some reason that rang as a smart thing in my head.
08:43.34Kaelten-Laptopsure on the syntax?
08:43.40renchapyup
08:44.34Kaelten-Laptopheh I wouldn't know anything about *nix if it hadn't been for wowace
08:44.53Kaelten-Laptopwell someone is going to be pissed
08:45.35Kaelten-LaptopI'm shoked on that little script I wrote, it scanned 2 days worth of squid logs and kept track of every ip and how many accesses they made
08:45.36ZealotOnAStickAt one point in time, I worked as a Network Technician in a nearly entirely Linux startup (Windows only on testing/demo machines)
08:45.55Kaelten-Laptopbut it did so in just a few mins and parsed more than 6 million lines
08:46.08ZealotOnAStickHowever, having not used linux regulalry since then, the mental rot sets in.
08:46.20ZealotOnAStickwhat'd you write/run it in?
08:46.39Kaelten-Laptoppython
08:46.51Kaelten-Laptopit only used ~ 8MB of ram too
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08:47.06renchaphmm
08:47.10renchapuse grep
08:47.11renchap^^
08:47.20ZealotOnAStickHandy language.  I'd probably want to learn it along with relearning perl, C, and lua if I actually liked to program.
08:47.36Kaelten-Laptoprenchap I needed to keep track of how many times an ip hit
08:47.38ZealotOnAStickI suspect a grep of log files that large would bite.
08:47.52Kaelten-LaptopZealotOnAStick: oh ya
08:47.59renchapyou can do this with bash commands
08:48.05Kaelten-Laptopya
08:48.05renchapcut | count
08:48.09Kaelten-Laptopbash commands I don't know :P
08:48.11renchapand thats very fast :)
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08:49.50Kaelten-Laptop67k ips in 2 days
08:54.53Dynomgrep -REi "(A|B)"  *
08:55.40Finit starts with cut and grep and bash bits
08:55.49Kaelten-LaptopFin: lol
08:55.50Finbut it never ends!
08:56.10Kaelten-LaptopI have a relatively simple 25 line pythons cript that can tell me who my biggest hitters are over any number of log files.
08:56.27renchapKaelten-Laptop: i can do this with one line !
08:56.38FinDynom: grep -i '[ab]' *
08:56.53Kaelten-Laptoplol
08:57.01Kaelten-Laptopmine may be a little longer but I can maintain mine
08:57.03Dynomfor 2 letters, yeah, for more, no
08:57.14Kaelten-Laptopplus I can run it on my windows box
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08:57.16Kaelten-Laptopeasily.
08:57.21FinDynom: for more letters, just add them to the character class?
08:57.23DynomKaelten-Laptop: download unxtools
08:57.37DynomFin: do the same then w/o E for: wowace.com and google.com
08:58.23FinDynom: what are you trying to match?
08:58.24Fin[migi:pgl]:~ $ echo 'google.com' | grep -ci '[ab]'
08:58.24Fin0
08:58.27CIA-1103nymbia * r30859 10GrindStatus/ (11 files in 3 dirs):
08:58.27CIA-11GrindStatus:
08:58.27CIA-11- Slim this puppy down. No longer using AceModuleCore, as the modularity was pointless at best and a bit on the big side with a couple dozen teeny tiny modules.
08:58.27CIA-11- Now use a simple closure iteration to load up the 'modules' after the DB's been init'd.
08:58.27CIA-11- Use PT3 for rep turnin lookups.
08:58.35Fin[migi:pgl]:~ $ echo 'google.com' | grep -Eci '[ab]'
08:58.35Fin0
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08:58.57DynomFin: I'm trying nothing, just showing the difference between using E and not using it
08:59.54Dynoms/faps/fRaps/
09:00.50FinDynom: doesn't -E just add extended regex support? oh I see, it's just an example of using ()s...
09:01.11Dynom-E enables | or OR
09:01.38nymbiaso there's a chunk in AceTab that says "---- REMOVE THIS SECTION WHEN 2.0.3 COMES OUT ----"
09:02.02Fins'what I meant by ()s, bah BAH :)
09:02.16Finheheheheheh
09:03.05nymbia~flee
09:03.16purlACTION runs away screaming
09:03.16Fisker-no you fool
09:03.22Fisker-you're a diplomat
09:03.47nymbiaO.o
09:03.56CIA-1103rabbit * r30860 10SpyGnome/SpyGnome.lua: SpyGnome: Use a passing group for each category.
09:05.18Fisker-THIS IS SPARTAAAA
09:05.33nymbiaow
09:06.16ZealotOnAStickAny of you read I'm Blue?
09:06.51Fisker-that ain't sparta
09:07.22ZealotOnAStickhttp://www.blue-comic.com/archives/20070320.html
09:08.06Fisker-heh
09:08.17Fisker-make a macro that yells "THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAAAA" when kicking
09:08.18Fisker-good idea
09:08.23Fisker-i'll reroll back to my rogue
09:18.31ZealotOnAStickSo, presuming I wanted to dump windows and use a linux install for a media player/server, what should I look at for build/distros?
09:21.10Kaelten-LaptopZealotOnAStick: I like ubuntu
09:21.17renchapi like gentoo
09:21.29Kaelten-Laptopanyho
09:21.32Kaelten-Laptopgnight guys
09:22.16CIA-1103nymbia * r30861 10PeriodicTable-3.0/PeriodicTable-3.0/PeriodicTable-3.0.lua:
09:22.16CIA-11PeriodicTable-3.0:
09:22.16CIA-11- Couple little improvements to the core; make local references to oft-used global functions and use self:assert() instead of assert()
09:22.22Fisker-Gentoo is pretty hard to setup compared to ubuntu btw
09:22.28xyuWhy did blizz remove the LFG chan? o_O
09:22.35Fisker-so you could ask about it
09:22.49renchapi know, i started with debian
09:23.13renchapbut after some months i started to compile all my softwares with special options
09:23.17renchapso i switch to gentoo :)
09:23.58Aens|Superiorityugh, wau stopped updating and wuu insists on turning auctioneer on every time i update >.<
09:24.05Aens|Superiorityerr, wau stopped working
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09:28.50Fisker-Anyone know why ImprovedRWF keeps whining about missing a "BossBlock" module?
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09:33.45Finit's just that time of the month
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09:40.56vhaarrFisker-: Try updating ImpRWF.
09:41.23Fisker-running the newest one that WAU is able to fetch
09:41.55vhaarrFisker-: Line# ?
09:42.02Fisker-sec
09:42.08Fisker-gotta restart wow :o
09:43.52Fisker-479
09:43.57Fisker-in core.lua
09:44.14vhaarrit will whine about that if BigWigs is not enabled
09:44.54vhaarrlet me fix it
09:45.35Fisker-thanks :)
09:46.50CIA-1103rabbit * r30862 10ImprovedRWF/Core.lua: ImprovedRWF: Account for bw bossblock not being loaded or available.
09:47.19Fisker-/cheer
09:55.48CIA-1103ammo * r30863 10kEnergy/tick.lua: kEnergy: add missing deformat lib instance
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09:57.43compzololHey, I'm very new to coding addons and I get an error when using AceDB-2.0, it saves the things i want, but then it adds loads of strange stuff so the file gets over 200mb+, anyone knows what could be causing this? (I pretty much copied the code from another addon)
10:02.44xyuCan scholo be 2 manned @ 70? :D
10:03.15renchapeasily
10:03.22renchapi can do it alone with my warlock
10:03.27PyrrhusQuestion.... why or how could fubar cause some of my characters to critical error out when logging out?
10:03.28nymbiacompzolol: pastey the code?
10:03.30xyukk
10:04.08CIA-1103rabbit * r30864 10ShutUp/ShutUp.lua: ShutUp: Iterate the friends list and guild roster 30 seconds after login.
10:04.31Fisker-rawr rawr dinasour
10:04.36Fisker-dinosaur*
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10:21.20CIA-1103rabbit * r30865 10ShutUp/ShutUp.lua: ShutUp: Bugfix.
10:27.34CIA-1103nymbia * r30866 10PeriodicTable-3.0/PeriodicTable-3.0/PeriodicTable-3.0.lua:
10:27.34CIA-11PeriodicTable-3.0:
10:27.35CIA-11- Ensure that the incremental GC doesnt eat the set we're working on during an :ItemInSet() call.
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10:29.41krkaerr... why would the gc eat memory that you're holding a reference to?
10:30.37nymbiaweak table cache
10:31.29nymbiamost of the api funcs make a solid reference to the cache entry's table for the duration of the call, i had forgotten to do it for that one for some reason
10:32.51Fisker-http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1174731549124.jpg <-find waldo (nsfw)
10:35.02cncfanaticsyo ppl :)
10:35.05cncfanaticsmaths exam monday :'(
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10:36.25krkaso you change the mode for the metatable?
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10:39.11nymbiakrka: i could, but that'd require a decent bit of extra effort as those things sometimes return in the middle of loops and stuff like that
10:39.26nymbiakrka: but i dont want to prevent collection at all, just on that one entry
10:40.40nymbiakrka: i dont think you're supposed to change mode around on the fly, anyway
10:41.16nymbiayeah.. "After you use a table as a metatable, you should not change the value of its field __mode. Otherwise, the weak behavior of the tables controlled by this metatable is undefined."
10:42.14vhaarrFisker-: you're a sick man
10:42.22vhaarrFisker-: I just have to ask, is he really in there somewhere? :P
10:42.40vhaarrhaha
10:42.42vhaarrthere he is
10:43.36krkai see
10:47.48Fisker-:o+
10:47.49Fisker-?
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11:17.59CIA-1103nymbia * r30867 10GrindStatus/GrindStatus.lua:
11:17.59CIA-11GrindStatus:
11:17.59CIA-11- Register defaults properly and use self where it shoulda been and wasn't.
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11:20.59CIA-1103nymbia * r30868 10Manufac/Manufac.lua:
11:20.59CIA-11Manufac:
11:20.59CIA-11- Clean up menu code a little.
11:24.35vhaarrnymbia: have you considered making a aceoptions table and feeding to the dewdrop instead?
11:24.48nymbiavhaarr: it was too slow
11:24.53vhaarrnymbia: right
11:25.17nymbiavhaarr: doesnt allow for tooltips either, iirc
11:25.26vhaarrnymbia: SetItemRef?
11:25.36vhaarrnymbia: no, that doesn't work
11:25.52nymbiayeah
11:25.58nymbianeed the hovering ones ;)
11:26.14vhaarrtrue
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11:29.06nymbiaman.. autobar's code is scary
11:30.27nymbiawhy make sorted tables of alllll the PT sets you might ever want to use at load?
11:32.20vhaarrindeed it is
11:32.27vhaarrat least it doesn't lag any more
11:32.33nymbiaheh
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12:26.54CIA-1103adirelle * r30869 10CastYeller/ (11 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
12:26.54CIA-11CastYeller:
12:26.54CIA-11- can announce spell failures (out of line of sight, bad target type, ...)
12:26.54CIA-11- can announce misses, resists, immunities...
12:26.54CIA-11- enabled such announce for most dispel, decurse and crowd control spells,
12:26.55CIA-11- announced events can be individually disabled,
12:26.57CIA-11- new announce pattern substitutions : [prepended_text${VAR}appended_text] and [prepended_text${VAR}appended_text#else_text]
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12:37.36Fisker-omg it's 13:37 here
12:37.42[dRaCo]oh noes!
12:38.31Adirelle...
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13:14.00CIA-1103tattersail * r30870 10IncomingHeals/ (. Core.lua IncomingHeals.toc):
13:14.00CIA-11IncomingHeals:
13:14.00CIA-11- Added X-perl support
13:30.53BankZIncomingHeals work with agUF?
13:36.46Industrialtry it?
13:40.24StephmwIndustrial: now that would be a first.
13:40.34StephmwIndustrial: it's like asking someone to google before asking a FAQ
13:42.33Industrialimho asking if x works with y on an irc channel and then awaiting a reply is a lot slower thn just trying it out
13:42.41Industrial(or say, a forum)
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13:43.57Stephmwagreed
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14:11.04AmadeoI hate those rainy Saturdays where you wake up with a headache
14:13.49AmadeoI guess you guys are still sleeping, so no headaches yet!
14:15.44Elkanostop drinking that much on Friday evenings ;)
14:16.04Amadeohehe
14:16.22Amadeoit's probably from getting pissed at people ganking me :P
14:16.47AmadeoI'm out on my Warlock (with really crappy gear!) minding my own business, and always, some 2 man crew comes up to gank me :P
14:17.19AmadeoThe first were two 61 Draenei Warrior/Priest combo, I was able to kill the Priest, but the Warrior got me since she was chain-healing him with Spirit of Redemption
14:17.50AmadeoI did manage to get them both down and camp them a while though, but I was still pissed, I wanted 62 last night :P
14:18.30Industrialpeople are tapping m mobs all the time
14:18.37Amadeoyeah, I hate that too
14:18.38Industrial"oh hes being attacked by 2 better help"
14:18.41IndustrialIM PALADIN
14:18.44Amadeohaha
14:19.05Industrial(just got ding 20 btw :D)
14:19.07Amadeothe best is when you go into an area and some small group pulls everything at once, just to make sure you can't get anything
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14:19.33Arrowmasterwhen people do that to me i just pull the entire camp and kill it while they stand their with their thumbs up their asses for the next few minutes waiting for respawns
14:19.35Industrialdoes my Retribution aura (holy dmg to anyone that hits me) tap mobs?
14:19.42Industrialhaha
14:20.05knarf-Industrial try it?
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14:20.45AmadeoWith TortoiseSVN, how do you omit Externals each time you update?
14:20.52Industrialknarf-: oo sharp. well my unitframes dont display tapped status (yet)
14:21.07Arrowmastertheres a function to check if a mob is tapped to you, but i dont know of any unitframes that display it
14:21.08knarf-Industrial tsk tsk :P
14:23.06FinIndustrial: you mean, you don't know of any unitframes that change colour when a mob has been tagged by someone else?
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14:24.26Finer
14:24.28Industrialno, _my_ unitframes
14:24.40Fin-Industrial+Arrowmaster
14:24.40Industrial:P\
14:24.41Finhtf did I get that mixed up
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14:28.31ElkanoAmadeo, instead of "update" use "update to revision"
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14:29.38Amadeothanks :)
14:32.27Grollloool i was banned on the forum hahaha
14:32.35Grollfor spamming and trolling o_O
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14:36.28Grollposting as stinkfot and got banned for this lol http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=263786820&sid=1&pageNo=5
14:39.23FeathrenHi all, I have a problem with my wowaceupdater (hope you can understand what i mean, i try to explain it as good as possible ;o); I had version 1.6 and everything was alright, then I changed something in "Energyoptions" in Windows (that my computer should go in stand-by-mode after 20 minutes of being afk); after that 1.6 didn't work anymore. well, I installed 1.7 and there is still the same error message when I double-click the start-butt
14:39.28Feathrenhope you can help^^
14:42.21Kaelten-Laptopg'morning
14:43.29Ominousmornin
14:47.03Elkanomorning Kaelten :)
14:47.51Grollhmm anyone know if i need standalone libs for some of the grid stuff?
14:47.57Grollcause me is getting buuuugs :(
14:51.30stavmarElkano: what was the command to turn on your beta buff mod: /load ace elkanobuffbars?
14:51.46Elkano/ace load ...
14:51.51stavmarlol ok
14:52.07Elkanoand it's ElkBuffBars
14:52.07stavmaraah
14:52.09stavmarthank you for that
14:52.22stavmardid your latest revision add resizing?
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14:54.28snurreis it usable now?
14:55.00Elkanostavmar, yes it did
14:55.09stavmarsweet
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14:55.24Elkanosnurre, getting closer... but still LoD and saving over sessions disabled
14:56.27snurreglad to hear :p
14:56.29stavmarok so w reload it each time for now then
15:06.55Fisker-i hope it doesn't SUCK Elkano
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15:07.46ElkanoFisker-, it's not you so most likely it wont
15:08.24Ominousrofl
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15:10.44Fisker-I dislike you :(
15:12.23Fisker-wtb command
15:12.26Fisker-oh
15:12.28Fisker-fubar plugin
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15:14.34Fisker-Nice
15:14.42Fisker-Now we just need in-icon text support
15:14.44Fisker-and timers
15:17.37Groll[2007/03/24 16:04:24-29-x1]: GridStatusOverHeal\GridStatusOverHeal.lua:3: Cannot find a library instance of RosterLib-2.0.ag_UnitFrames-05-01-07.30719\libs\AceLibrary\AceLibrary.lua:438: in function `AceLibrary'GridStatusOverHeal\GridStatusOverHeal.lua:3: in main chunk  ---
15:18.05art3misso how is pitbull?
15:18.13Elkanoquick fix: download RosterLib standalone ;)
15:18.26art3misgroll just delete the contents of grid and install with externals ;)
15:18.30Sroshsnappy
15:18.33GrollElkano i dont want to :P
15:18.40Grolli hate external libs
15:18.49Grollthey should be banned :P
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15:20.27Elkano^^
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15:24.19ElkanoFisker-, so you like what you've seen?
15:24.52Elkano(including mind-numbing drugs into an addon was the best idea I ever had ;) )
15:25.31Kaelten-Laptophttp://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b230/sad_boy/mental0oy.jpg
15:29.36Ominousrofl
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15:30.18Kaelten-Laptophttp://chickencrap.com/c.php?c=175
15:30.22Kaelten-Laptopum somethings wrong there
15:30.24Kaelten-Laptoplol
15:30.51Ominouslol
15:31.10Kaelten-Laptophttp://www.chickencrap.com/c.php?c=353
15:31.12Kaelten-Laptoplmao
15:31.39Ominouslol
15:34.10Kaelten-Laptophttp://www.chickencrap.com/c.php?c=212
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15:38.25CIA-1103adirelle * r30871 10CastYeller/CastYeller.lua:
15:38.25CIA-11CastYeller:
15:38.25CIA-11- fixed whispers.
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15:57.56FeathrenHi all, I have a problem with my wowaceupdater (hope you can understand what i mean, i try to explain it as good as possible ;o); I had version 1.6 and everything was alright, then I changed something in "Energyoptions" in Windows (that my computer should go in stand-by-mode after 20 minutes of being afk); after that 1.6 didn't work anymore. well, I installed 1.7 and there is still the same error message when I double-click the start-butt
15:57.58Feathrenhope you can help^^
15:59.34Finthat sounds like a problem with Windows, not WAU, Feathren
15:59.52Gnarfoz(feathren von EU-aegwynn? ^^)
15:59.57Feathrenyes, but doesn't anyone know what to do? :<
16:00.00Feathrenjo...
16:00.06Finchanging your energy usage options in Windows shouldn't affect WAU at all
16:00.36Finso, can you describe what happens in a bit more detail?
16:00.58Feathreni double klick the symbol and the error message pops up
16:01.00Feathrentwice
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16:02.24Fisker-fukken saved
16:09.50Finwhat is the error message? what symbol are you clicking? where is it popping up?
16:13.07NickenyfikenWhat is correct, "IT-Group" or "IT Group"
16:13.09Nickenyfiken?
16:14.06packetls1latter nicke
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16:19.25Loki|muhis there a nice fishing addon around?
16:19.52JoshBorkeFishingAce is nice
16:20.11Loki|muhwill try, thanks
16:22.02Feathren2(Fin2): I double-klick WowAceUpdater.exe and the error message pops up in the middle of the screen.
16:22.16Feathrensorry for highlight
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16:23.47FinFeathren: what does the error say?
16:24.24Feathren"The application could not be initated (0xc0000005). Click "OK" to end the application."
16:24.32Feathrenshould be the right translation
16:25.11Finthat's probably the least helpful error message I've ever seen
16:25.27Elkanois WAU based on .net?
16:25.28FinMicrosoft, for the world's largest software company you are terribly shit sometimes
16:25.47Tornhoofyou might want to reboot ;)
16:26.28compzololsometimes, fin?
16:27.10Fincompzolol: sometimes..? whu? sorry? is this a reply to something I said hours ago? :)
16:27.27compzolol[17:25] <Fin> Microsoft, for the world's largest software company you are terribly shit sometimes
16:27.32Finoh!
16:27.46Finwell you know, it takes a while for the rage to build up properly
16:27.51compzololI think Microsoft is terribliy shit most of the time
16:27.55Finfirst error of the day and all
16:29.18Feathrencould it be, that it has something to do with windows registry? no idea at all :(
16:29.58FinFeathren: try reinstalling .Net and rebooting
16:30.15Loki|muhJoshBorke: is it normal that fishingace needs a double right click to cast?
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16:31.46Feathrenwell, I try to
16:32.09chutwigKirkburn: would you have any idea why the numbers in fubar still appear like calibri v1 when everywhere else they appear like 0.9?
16:32.20chutwigi replaced all the font files everywhere so i'm not sure why it's happening
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16:36.31stavmarElkano: you still there
16:36.43Elkanokind of ;)
16:37.10stavmarlol, how do you make sure that blizzards standard buff icons do not appear when using your test buffbars
16:38.13Elkanohmm... I most likely forgot to put taht in yet ^^
16:38.28stavmarwell they look good anyways
16:39.13Elkano:)
16:42.48xyuhey anyone in here pretty good w/ macroes and can explain something for me?
16:42.54xyu./cast [help] Righteous Defense; [target=targettarget,help] Righteous Defense
16:43.02xyuhow does this work exactly?
16:43.05xyuwhat's it do?
16:43.10xyui dont have to target the player?
16:43.22xyu(this is for paladins)
16:43.37[dRaCo]it also works if you are targeting an enemy
16:43.46Gnarfozexactly
16:43.54Gnarfozit taunts off your target if the target is friendly
16:43.56[dRaCo]it will cast RD on that enemy's target
16:44.03xyuok but say, 2 people have aggro besides me
16:44.05Gnarfozelse, if you have a hostile target, it taunts of its target
16:44.06xyuohh i see
16:44.12Gnarfoz*off
16:44.27xyuso it's for when the mob i'm tanking loses aggro
16:44.38Gnarfozyep
16:44.40[dRaCo]yeah
16:44.43xyuthanks ^^
16:45.27Gnarfoz<Loki|muh> JoshBorke: is it normal that fishingace needs a double right click to cast? <- yes
16:46.15Loki|muhah ok thx
16:46.35Finnow that you can do it
16:46.41Finlet's make a chain now
16:47.03Fin(just as an idea)
16:49.20Loki|muhGnarfoz: do you know if its possible that fishingace starts fishing automatically after looting?
16:50.12Loki|muhah loot via doubleclick does what i want :)
16:50.22Loki|muhfine :)
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17:04.26Loki|muhhmmm it does not what i want :/
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17:08.33GildedHow do you setup stance paging on a second BT3 bar?
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17:19.25NickenyfikenGilded: have you checked out page swaping for the bar you want bar you want to swap?
17:29.39GildedNickenyfiken, yeah it wasn't working @ first, but a UI reload and the option appeared in setup.
17:34.58Nickenyfikenah ok
17:35.33Silviu-lol i have an shaman taureen vharr on server
17:36.56xyui have no idea what you just said.
17:43.12CIA-1103eternally777 07eternally777 * r30872 10SacredBuff/ (7 files in 2 dirs):
17:43.12CIA-11SacredBuff:
17:43.13CIA-11* Adding necessary code to prepare for the addition of the new mount button
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17:50.19CIA-1103kemayo * r30873 10FuBar_QuestsFu/QuestsFu.lua: FuBar_QuestsFu: Adjust OnTooltipSetItem to account for possibility of tooltip:GetItem returning nil.
17:52.23vid`hmm
17:52.26vid`combine work yet? :P
17:52.28vid`i see it on wau
17:52.44vid`````````````````/gu anyone wa
17:52.46vid`oops
17:52.47vid`haha
17:52.48vid`damn alt tab
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17:53.17vid`multimonitor for the lose :P i
17:55.17CIA-1103eternally777 * r30874 10SacredBuff/ (10 files in 3 dirs):
17:55.17CIA-11SacredBuff:
17:55.18CIA-11(Merging branch into trunk)
17:55.18CIA-11* The mount button has been permanently removed from the core SacredBuff mod
17:55.18CIA-11* Many of the core functions have been rewritten to perform their tasks more efficiently
17:55.18CIA-11* Buttons will now properly change color if the player is out of mana or the player's target is out of range
17:55.53harl|WoWwho said AutoBar wouldn't lag anymore ?
17:56.07harl|WoWi'll just pretend nobody did
17:57.00Lysitheahmm, Im trying to figure out how I setup my Grid how I want but I cant figure out how I do this: When out of range the health should gray out, works fine, but the health bar doesnt update. As in they can have 5% and still show as 90% grayed out. Any ideas on where I should look?
17:57.22Lysitheathat first sentence there was really fubared
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18:01.20cncfanaticshmmm, is there any way to find the time since I logged in ?
18:04.16CIA-1103eternally777 * r30875 10SacredBuff_Mounts/ (. Libs/ SacredBuff_Mounts.lua SacredBuff_Mounts.toc):
18:04.16CIA-11SacredBuff_Mounts:
18:04.16CIA-11* Introducing 'SacredBuff Mounts', a revolutionary new addition to SacredBuff that adds a handy-dandy Mount button to the main sphere
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18:04.53harl|WoWcncfanatics: something like /played ?
18:04.55Finharl|WoW: vhaarr did! it was vhaarr!
18:05.38harl|WoWFin: i'll just pretend he didn't, because AutoBar still lags hell
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18:07.11Finharl|WoW: denial is a safe place to live
18:08.05harl|WoWi'm just stating facts.
18:08.07CIA-1103eternally777 * r30876 10SacredBuff_Mounts/ (. Libs/):
18:08.07CIA-11SacredBuff_Mounts:
18:08.07CIA-11* Embedding libraries
18:10.17cncfanaticsharl|WoW? that'll get me the time this level, but not this session
18:10.27Finharl|WoW: then pretending they're not facts! seriously though, I think denial is a perfectly acceptable way of dealing with a lot of situations, very useful
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18:10.49Finharl|WoW: and yeah, Autobar does still lag loads :( at least it did yesterday when I tried it out
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18:12.09harl|WoWand that's true.
18:12.28harl|WoWand i won't deny anything being true either.
18:13.21vhaarrFisker-: gah, what did I do now?
18:13.46Fisker-wasn't me who dissed you this time
18:13.54Finharl|WoW: yes
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18:15.00Funkeh`hi all
18:15.23Finvhaarr's not some sort of item to be dissed! jesus man, have you got any idea how much he'd fetch on the AH?
18:15.32Finhi Funkeh`
18:16.02vhaarr2g?
18:16.04vhaarrhey funk
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18:16.37Funkeh`vhaarr is priceless
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18:18.02harl|WoWi'll just pretend nobody said anything like that.
18:18.47Funkeh`can anyone confirm mind exhaustion has been nerfed to 1.5min for mag?
18:19.57Eternally777It was still 3 minutes on Thursday, but that's the best I can do.
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18:31.58Fisker-does cavity even have a command handler?
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18:34.47Punkie`it's PitBull now naab
18:35.57Fisker-DO NOT WANT
18:36.11Punkie`tough!
18:37.12ckknightFisker-: no configuration at all.
18:37.18ckknightyet
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18:38.23CIA-1103ckknight * r30877 10PitBull/PitBull.lua: PitBull - add the pet unit frame
18:38.58Fisker-how awesome is it ckknight?
18:39.19Brunersckknight: your new unit frames?
18:41.56Fisker-excuse me wtf r u doin?
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18:42.48TheoWoWanyone else having trouble getting Cartographer and TrackerFu to coexist?  Or is that just my uber noobness in play? :D
18:43.12Funkeh`don't worry
18:43.17Funkeh`you can't suck more than nymbia
18:43.33vhaarrElkano: ping
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18:44.20TheoWoWwell, that's a comfort.  But I was so diggin having exclusively Ace stuff in my addons folder, till TrackerFu started flakin on Cartographer.
18:44.48TheoWoWor maybe Cartographer is flakin on TrackerFu, OR, the more likely event.  I noobed something up.
18:44.53CryectFunkeh`: I've heard from several people it has the change was hotfix on Thursday Night sometime (we killed him earlier on Thursday without that change)
18:44.58Fisker-lol
18:45.11Funkeh`cryect, ive read it on EJ but don't see a blue
18:45.13Fisker-"Level 70 druid LFG i got +772 healing (I'm feral specced)"
18:45.13Fisker-:D
18:45.29CryectWell a blue sure didn't say what the other changes were on magtheridon either :-p
18:45.34ThraeFisker-: That's my tagline!
18:45.58Amadeowho do druids hate fighting the most in PvP?
18:46.01ThraeScrew Resto, a Feral can heal fine with the right gear
18:46.36ThraeAmadeo: Paladins or Warlocks
18:46.46CryectI was about to seem that doesn't seem like much gear but then again I guess I'm biased in Tier 3 + Karazhan Healing Epics
18:46.47Amadeowhat about Mages?
18:47.07ThraeAmadeo: Well, it depends on the Druid spec
18:47.10CryectMages are fine
18:47.11ckknightFisker-: it's awesome
18:47.12ThraeFeral Spec tears up Mages
18:47.13ckknightBruners: yes
18:47.28Cryectmages only kill a druid if they can burst them
18:47.36Cryectand well thats somewhat luck based
18:47.46AmadeoI guess hate fighting Paladins since the fight will last all year?
18:48.06CryectDruid should never be able to beat a paladin if the paladin knwos what they are doing excactly
18:48.17ThraeAmadeo: It's hard to stop their healing, yeah, and they now have their own Executer
18:48.26Fisker-how do i shot web ckknight ?
18:48.35AmadeoExecutor, makes me think of Protoss :P
18:48.38Fisker-i.e. wtb slashhandlers for pitbull
18:48.41ThraeBefore GGWrath we could have had the upper-hand, but a Druid has to be extra-careful
18:48.56harldephinstarcraft ftw
18:49.01ThraeNow if I swear a lot, it's because I'm watching Full Metal Jacket for the 1st time
18:49.02ckknightFisker-: no
18:49.34TheoWoWThrae: erm, funniest war movie ever.  First half anyways.
18:50.09ThraeTheoWoW: Yeah I'm guessing when they get out of boot camp it'll be some nice hippy crap about horrible Viatnam is
18:50.15Cryectits not
18:50.17Thraes/Viat/Viet/
18:50.33ckknightThrae: Full Metal Jacket = awesome
18:50.54harldephinlol
18:50.57ThraeI watched American History X right before this
18:50.59Cryectwell its nothing happy but I don't know of any war movie where its really happy
18:51.26TheoWoWnah, it's an attempt at an accurate portrayal.
18:51.29ThraeAmerican History X should be required viewing for all teenagers
18:51.37Fisker-then how am i supposed to know wtf to do?
18:51.47Fisker-QQ :(
18:52.00ThraeI wish I saw it when I was a kid, then maybe I wouldn't have joined the Black Panthers
18:52.22harldephinwhat?
18:52.27TheoWoWtelevision can't do justice to what those men went through, BUT it's a decent story about a journalists tour of duty.  Put it this way, you've heard the term 'Your FIRST job is a soldier, THEN you are a journalist'.  Well, this holds true in the movie.
18:52.53AmadeoIs there a plugin for foobar2000 that will read cddb stuff for when I play a CD?
18:55.45Amadeooh I guess it's already included, nevermind
18:55.49Amadeokinda buried
18:57.17TheoWoWso I'ma go with a no on my qestion.
18:57.26TheoWoWIs there anyone SUCCESSFULLY running both together?
18:57.43AmadeoI dunno, but I loved you on the Cosby Show!
18:58.20TheoWoWthank you.  You think my star power could get me some answer luvin? :D
19:03.49AmadeoSorry Theo, you're washed up now!
19:07.35CIA-1103ckknight * r30878 10PitBull/ (Layout.lua PitBull.lua PitBull.toc): PitBull - separated Layout into a separated file
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19:10.50trhgreat quote!
19:10.58Amadeohehe
19:13.18HjalteEternally777: Is it powerful to use the flying mount in outland via Sacredbuff with the new mount addon?
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19:13.21Hjalteeh
19:13.24HjaltePossible*
19:15.25Elkanovhaarr: pong
19:15.40vhaarrElkano: what type does ebb use for their sharedmedia bar textures?
19:15.44vhaarrElkano: "statusbar"?
19:15.49Elkanoyes
19:15.54vhaarralright, thanks
19:16.18Eternally777Hjalte: Yes
19:16.52Eternally777Hjalte: Just select the flying mount from the dropdown menu that appears when you hold in the 'alt' key and right-click on the mount button.
19:17.06Eternally777And then that will be the default mount. :)  Simple.
19:17.25HjalteEternally777: Ah, great. Thanks.
19:18.08Eternally777One question, do macros need to be localized?  '/cast' works on all clients, correct?
19:19.30CIA-1103adirelle * r30879 10BankList/: BankList: guild bank and alt item searching through chat and slash command
19:19.41Arrowmastertheres a global string for "/cast" thats localized
19:20.13Eternally777Aw geez.
19:20.34Eternally777I guess I should fix that then.
19:21.04Arrowmasteralthough theres multipe global strings for the same commands so theres probably '/cast' in other locals
19:21.52Brunersckknight: any screens of your frames? :)
19:22.01ckknightno, and stop asking
19:22.14Eternally777That's silly, how would I know which one to use then?
19:22.36ckknightto the users I care about, they would install it and see what it's like for themselves
19:22.39ckknightit's not finished
19:22.42trhEternally777: the spells do have different names
19:22.56ckknightwhy should I take screenshots of things that aren't finished?
19:23.42Eternally777trh: I'm referring to the command itself, not the names of the spells though.
19:23.54trhEternally777: i think /cast works in all clients
19:24.07ArrowmasterEternally777: try to find the globalstrings.lua for other languages and check so see if '/cast' is in other locals
19:24.44CIA-1103cryect * r30880 10BigBrother/ (. BigBrother.lua BigBrother.toc): BigBrother: initial commit - Tracks raid flask usage and who breaks polymorphs
19:24.55renchap/cast works with all clients
19:26.03renchap'seen ag`
19:26.12Eternally7772 outta 3 works for me.
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19:28.04CIA-1103nymbia * r30881 10GrindStatus/GrindStatus.lua:
19:28.04CIA-11GrindStatus:
19:28.04CIA-11- Pass self properly to UpdateRepItems
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19:41.01[TL]Amandriahaha BigBrother sounds like some nice tool :P
19:41.40trhsounds like... Big Brother is watching you! ;)
19:44.05[TL]Amandriayeah lol
19:44.23CryectYeah made it a while ago heh and hadn't gotten to uploading it yet
19:44.39[TL]Amandriaok john ure kicked big brother has been watching you breaking 42 polymorphs and u didnt take ure flask last magtheridon try
19:44.40[TL]Amandriacya ^^
19:44.50CryectNeed to think up more big brother activities to watch really
19:44.54trhCryect: does it track fear break too? =)
19:45.00FryGuytracks raid flask usage? :x
19:45.03FryGuywhat about other pots
19:45.08Cryectnot yet FryGuy
19:45.15Cryectbeen too lazy to make a nice gui to show you that stuff
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19:45.25HjalteCryect: What about shackle? :)
19:45.28[TL]AmandriaCryect, yeah maybe u could try /BB watch [BUFF NAME] so u can see who has a certain buff from pots :P
19:46.20HjalteDoes anyone know how to use WUU to update from Acesvn?
19:46.26CryectFor Elixirs I really want a gui that shows a table with checklist under the potion icons and you select either melee/caster/healing potions
19:46.32Cryectfor what elixirs it shows
19:46.38[TL]Amandriathat would be nikce
19:46.40[TL]Amandrianice *
19:47.04[TL]Amandriaonly problem would be hybrids :P
19:47.07CryectAlright shackle and fear will have to add those not sure if the fear message pops up in dispel (well unless someoned did dispel it)
19:47.22CryectYeah hybrids is kinda an issue but can just show them under the appropriate ones
19:47.30CryectI mean the person using the addon has to have some sense
19:47.44[TL]Amandriayea ^^
19:48.17CryectHmmm haven't logged into my warlock in ages
19:48.26[TL]Amandriaif you have a LOT of time u could make something like groups and you add chars to differend groups
19:48.33[TL]Amandriaand then apply pots/flasks for theese groups
19:53.00CIA-1103nymbia * r30882 10GrindStatus/GrindStatus.lua:
19:53.00CIA-11GrindStatus:
19:53.00CIA-11- bugfix
19:53.39CIA-1103ckknight * r30883 10PitBull/PitBull.lua:
19:53.40CIA-11PitBull - added profiling system, determined by local DEBUG = true at the top. Turn it off if you don't want it (it would add some lag to the system).
19:53.40CIA-11Type /pitbull to see current results (requires Tablet-2.0)
19:54.21Fisker-THIS IS
19:54.22Fisker-PASTA
19:54.38nymbia:(
19:55.09AmadeoHave they had 2.1 PTR yet?
19:55.20Fisker-in before lurk moar
19:56.00ckknightAmadeo: nope
19:56.05ckknightAmadeo: my system works, though
19:56.13Amadeowhat system?!
19:57.22ckknightmy profiling system
19:57.25ckknightthat I just committed
19:57.29ckknighttry it out
19:58.06Amadeook!
19:59.31AmadeoI heard Soundgarden on the radio today, so I had to find my Superunknown CD buried somewhere :P
20:00.35nymbianice ckknight
20:00.51ckknightnymbia: putting it on the other modules now
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20:00.56ckknightI want PitBull to be extremely efficient
20:01.00ckknightconstant profiling is part of this
20:01.25nymbiayeah
20:05.11kergothhmm, is KCET working nowadays?
20:06.19Pneuanyone that has experience in Kara, do you have Masterlooter set, and if you do, with the BoP patterns that drop will they be seen by the ML if the ML isnt a tailor but the pattern is for tailoring?
20:06.50Kaelten-Laptopkergoth: I've given it to the public domain
20:07.13Amadeockknight: That's wild
20:07.16Kaelten-LaptopI got tired of fighting speed issues
20:07.19Amadeowhat's the wacky frame thing? the number grows
20:07.33ckknightit runs every 0.15 seconds
20:07.34Cryectyeah fear doesn't trigger a dispell message when it breaks from damage
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20:12.16nymbiaand that's with all the unitframes generated.. pretty good
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20:15.53Fisker-have no experience Pneu but obviously blizzard screwed up in any case
20:16.14kergothKaelten-Laptop: aw.  any idea if its been updated yet?  that functionality is awfully useful :)
20:17.48CIA-1103rabbit * r30884 10ClosetGnome_Switcher/ (5 files in 2 dirs): ClosetGnome_Switcher: When losing a buff, don't swap to the default set unless we have a set registered for the buff we lost.
20:19.37CIA-1103ckknight * r30885 10PitBull/ (PitBull.lua WatchdogTags.lua): PitBull - fixed bug that tried to show party when raid was shown
20:24.07Hjalteckknight: Are there any options ingame for your UF addon yet?
20:25.10nymbiadoooom
20:25.20Fisker-doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed
20:25.44ckknightHjalte: no
20:26.12Fisker-But is it me or did i see someone setting it up had testframes? :/
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20:28.13Cryecthmm interesting so  looks like Polymorph is the only CC that triggers a dispell message when its broken by damage
20:29.11Grollbah rating buster dont seem to work with standalone libs :(
20:29.19Gildedl
20:29.28Amadeoit does Groll
20:29.32Amadeoyou just have to get the libs he made
20:29.34Amadeoit's not in the pack
20:29.42Grollok but i cant seem to find the lib
20:29.43Groll[2007/03/24 21:26:44-31-x1]: RatingBuster\RatingBuster.lua:12: Cannot find a library instance of StatLogic-1.0.Ace2\AceLibrary\AceLibrary.lua:438: in function `AceLibrary'RatingBuster\RatingBuster.lua:12: in main chunk  ---
20:30.02Fisker-Well Cryect the polymorph breakage is different from fear breakage
20:30.04Grollor my update didnt work i guess :S
20:30.15Fisker-You probably don't get any dispel message with heartbeat resists on poly either
20:30.33Fisker-and i figure it's a similar system running on the fear vs. damage calculations
20:30.35AmadeoGroll: You just have to get StatLogic and TipHooker off WAU/SVN
20:30.37Amadeoand it'll work
20:31.16GrollAmadeo ya i noticed i missed the darn thing :P
20:31.16CryectNo Shackle doesn't work either Fisker
20:31.17Grollthanks
20:31.27CryectAnd actually you do Fisker
20:31.33Fisker-:O
20:31.40Amadeo:)
20:31.44Fisker-Then i'm baffled and disgusted
20:31.45Fisker-:P
20:31.53AmadeoGroll: I just did it yesterday, so it's fresh in my mind :)
20:31.59CryectYeah its like some special option was set for polymorph to trigger dispell messages
20:32.27Fisker-Perhaps Slouken kan shed some light on it?
20:32.46CryectI understand Fear but Shackle should work just like Polymorph
20:33.07Cryectprolly just an extra line of code added that triggers an event when polymorph break
20:33.34CIA-1103schelli 07Schelli * r30886 10IceHUD_Hunter/ (4 files in 2 dirs): IceHUD_Hunter : added Traps module, fixed some minor stuff
20:33.37CIA-1103adirelle * r30887 10BankList/ (. BankList.lua BankList.toc Libs/ localization.lua): BankList: initial commit.
20:33.59kergothwhat do traps have to do with a hud?
20:34.03CIA-1103schelli 07Schelli * r30888 10IceHUD/ (IceBarElement.lua IceHUD.toc): icehud : fixed some minor probs
20:34.45vhaarrkergoth: HUD = Heads Up Display, it's supposed you show you the relevant information at-a-glance.
20:34.49CIA-1103nymbia * r30889 10GrindStatus/GrindStatus.lua:
20:34.49CIA-11GrindStatus:
20:34.49CIA-11- Fix a nil error when watching no faction.
20:34.51AmadeoOnce you use a HUD, you're trapped within the two parenthesis!
20:34.51vhaarrI'd say, for hunters, trap information is essential.
20:35.00kergothi know what a hud is.  and i know what traps are, but there are plenty of trap timer bar addons
20:35.06kergothi fail to see the point of integrating it into a hud
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20:35.47Cryectwhy not have it in your HUD instead of timer bars
20:35.50Cryectits the same thing really
20:36.12Cryecteither way I dislike HUDs and you can say there is bars for everything a HUD does
20:36.30Amadeoat least it's modular
20:37.03kergothA hud is like a unitframe.  thats like incorporating stun timers into aguf
20:37.03AmadeoI can't use HUDs..years of EQ and using default WoW UI make me auto-look to the corner as it is :P
20:37.08kergothcompletely pointless
20:37.12kergothbut whatever, thats just my opinion
20:37.23kergothwhats a good shaman leveling build nowadays?
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20:37.34AmadeoI think they tell people to go Enhancement
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20:37.41kergothmy old 60 shaman isnt spec'd yet, i need to get him some rep (he's my alchemist/lw, and i need recipes)
20:37.51Cryectyeah enhancement
20:37.52kergothyeah i figured that.  elem and enh both do good damage, but enh has less downtime
20:38.02Cryectthats how all the shamans I know leveled
20:38.11AmadeoI felt like my Shaman had a lot of downtime
20:38.19AmadeoI did a lot of damage, but I took a lot of damage too
20:38.29Amadeoso I was always healing, but my mana pool was like 1500 (at 42 or so)
20:38.29kergothi think i might level via instances mostly, since my main concern is to get my rep up to buy recipes
20:38.30Anduneamadeo:  I used to be the same way, tho I kept trying 'em anyway till I found ArcHUD and finally got used to it.  Now I can't live w/o
20:38.33kergothi dont really want to play him, but..
20:39.08AmadeoAndune: The way HUDs are laid out confuse me...I think player should be left and target right, not all intertwined and stuff :P
20:39.30Anduneamadeo: I found most HUDs visually distracting 'cuz I wasn't used to them.  ArcHUD was first one I tried that auto-faded when not in combat, thus eliminating the visual distraction factor, and I found it really helpd w/ rogue CP's  :)
20:39.40CIA-1103ckknight * r30890 10PitBull/ (8 files in 8 dirs): PitBull - added wrapping to the methods around all the modules
20:39.47Anduneplus MSBT parabola follows ArcHUDs, so they look very nice together  :)
20:40.00Amadeohehe
20:40.50Guillotineanybody want to give me tips on leveling my 39 rogue? He has good daggers, good swords, and good maces. His gear is just maxed out agil. But I can't figure out what the best way to level would be >< Specifically spec
20:41.00AmadeoCombat!
20:41.07kergothcombat is optimal for leveling
20:41.21kergotheither swords or maces, some wear by each
20:41.25kergothswear, even
20:41.27Anduneguillotine:  everyone will tell you combat, and it's no secret it's the best leveling spec
20:41.50Andunebut I prefer subtelty anyway.  It's why I play the rogue.  So even tho it's not as efficient, I have more fun with it, so that's what I did  :)
20:42.01Guillotinehmm, alright. I was pretty sure it would be that, but couldn't figure out which of the 2 I wanted ><
20:42.08vhaarroh god, subtlety is fun indeed
20:42.13vhaarrbut combat for grinding
20:42.15kergothyeah, fun is the important part.  i'm leveling 60 to 70 as mutilate because i enjoy it, even though its not quite as efficient as combat (though close)
20:42.17knarf-so is assasination
20:42.27kergothi was a farming machine when i was combat
20:42.50Anduneyeah, but I grinded all my other toons.  I just play my rogue to have fun, and when I look at it that way, I enjoy subtelty a whole lot more than grinding with combat  :)
20:42.56Guillotineya, I plan on being assass eventually, but probably not a great leveling spec
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20:43.33AmadeoI get impatient
20:43.35AmadeoI hate leveling
20:43.44AmadeoI like to be end-game and just do whatever I want
20:43.50Guillotinelol. my favorite part of the game personally :)
20:43.53GuillotineI like leveling
20:43.59Andunemost people do.  I'm backwards for some reason.  I love leveling and hate the end-game gear grind  :P
20:44.05Amadeothat's the thing
20:44.06Guillotineand I like combat close to as much as assas, or I wouldn't do it
20:44.07AmadeoI don't even grind for gear
20:44.14PProvostI enjoy leveling up. End game can be boring.
20:44.15AmadeoI Just hit 70 and do nothing, but I have more fun doing nothing than leveling :P
20:44.24PProvostYou can do nothing at 20. :)
20:44.27CIA-1103ckknight * r30892 10PitBull/Name/Name.lua: PitBull-Name - typo
20:44.28Amadeohaha
20:44.30AnduneI was actually quite sad when my lock hit 70.  I love leveling him  :)
20:44.32trhi enjoy both of it for a while... the last 2 levels kinda sucked, and gear-grinding does too after the 20th run
20:44.47Guillotineespecially TBC leveling. always stuff to do
20:44.55AmadeoMy Rogue is 41, I need to hit 60 so I can hit Outland
20:45.05PProvostYeah, Outland is much better.
20:45.07trhi think the leveling part is better in tbc than in non-tbc
20:45.11AmadeoI seem to burn out once I get a char to 40
20:45.12Anduneaye.  I think they did a good job w/ TBC quests/zones for leveling.  much more fun that running around STV for hours..
20:45.21PProvostlol
20:45.45AmadeoHow early could I hit Outlands? Should I risk it at 56-ish?
20:45.54kergothmy hunter is stalled around 41-42... was hoping to avoid grinding and stick to questing, but i'm at a weak point
20:45.56AnduneI did 58.  Found that was a good level
20:46.01kergothgonna have to grind a level or 2 :|
20:46.16AnduneI think pre-58 it'd be tougher to get XP in outland than old world.
20:46.18Amadeokergoth: Sometimes I'm not sure which is better for leveling
20:46.24AmadeoAndune: Yeah, I'll try 58 :)
20:46.40kergothi think grinding is optimal, but only if you have excellent grind spots. if you dont, a combination of grinding/questing is best
20:46.42AmadeoI'm a grinding pro, I played EQ for years, but in WoW I just don't know which is faster
20:46.54AmadeoI see
20:46.55trhkergoth: usually you can quest your whole way up to 70
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20:47.12Andunefor TBC, questing is faster, no doubt.
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20:47.25Andunepre-TBC, it depends on the quests you do.
20:47.29PProvostThere are very few places where you _have_ to grind instead of quest in the old game too. But you had to move around a lot.
20:47.58AmadeoI notice that having someone help you do quests (a higher level someone) usually hurts you more than it helps
20:48.13PProvostYep
20:48.21Amadeobecause once you start questing on your own again, you don't have the level you normally would have if you did the quests yourself, due to loss of grind exp
20:48.58Guillotinethis is another spec I've been looking at for rogue: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fZMxZV0ekhhoo
20:49.01Guillotinemassive combo point generation
20:49.09Guillotinewould work awesome on melee guys
20:49.11Andunedepends on how the someone helps you.  If they stay outside of party and help kill mobs after you tag them, it can be the best of both.
20:49.26PProvostFor quest or XP?
20:49.34AmadeoAndune: You actually lose exp when people do that though
20:49.40Andunetho i think there's some limits to how much higher than you they can be b4 blizz starts siphoning off the XP
20:49.40PProvostFor XP, as far as I can tell via experimentation, they nerfed that.
20:49.49AmadeoI notice that if I tag a mob and do damage to it, and a higher level destroys it, I lose a lot of exp
20:49.51Amadeoyeah
20:49.57PProvostYour XP is pro-rated by the amount you participate in the kill.
20:49.59kergothimo hemo is weak unless you have substantial AP
20:50.01Anduneah, well it's been a while.  and everytime people used to say it was nerfed, I'd try it out and it still worked
20:50.01PProvostAs far as I can tell
20:50.16AmadeoPProvost: Yeah, I've tried it a lot
20:50.28PProvostWe tried it w/ a 62 and a 41. When the 62 even touched the mob, the 41's XP went down by 50%
20:50.35PProvostJust one hit was all it took
20:50.42PProvostUn-grouped
20:50.50Fisker-It has to be done within the levelrange of the player and the mob
20:51.03Anduneah, sounds like they did nerf it then.  but try it within 10 levels
20:51.13Fisker-Unless they've nerfed it further
20:51.14PProvostSure, probably less of an impact, but still an impact.
20:51.23AmadeoI think level range plays a huge part
20:51.28Anduneor even 5.  I mean, if someones committed to helping you with no gain on their part, +5 levels to you is a big boost  :)
20:51.58AmadeoIf someone is the same level as you, I'm not sure it will hurt you
20:51.58Fisker-but atleast during my level up i got like 500-600 exp per mob when it was level 62 and 1-10 exp when it was level 61
20:52.08PProvostTwo people the same level split the XP as far as I can tell, so it hurts unless you can go twice as fast (which I think you can in many cases)
20:52.31Andunepprovost: sure, but the idea is at some point the faster kill rate cross the xp siphoning line
20:52.39PProvostYep
20:52.41PProvostAgree
20:52.54Andunepprovost: so maybe at +10 levels, if you only lose 20% xp, but you're killing 150% faster, well hey, that's nice  :)
20:53.09PProvostUltimately, I play this game for the social aspects so I prefer to play with someone regardless.
20:54.12PProvostHey ckknight, how far along is PitBull these days?
20:54.20ckknightreasonably
20:54.49Andunewoo, ckknight finally kicked off the UF mod he was threatening to do
20:54.57ckknightyea
20:55.07AnduneI look forward to trying it out  :)
20:55.14ckknightjust put in a profiling system to make sure everything is all nice and fast
20:55.16CIA-1103arrowmaster * r30893 10Bidder/Bidder.toc: Bidder: added FuBar to OptionalDeps
20:56.15Arrowmasteryou wouldnt believe how confusing that was to hunt down because it wasnt showing in my friends FuBar ^^
20:56.25Andunetho I'm sure you have your own vision of what you like, I just want to throw in that I really like agUFs layout system.  I fell in love with the clean lines on one of the layouts, and even tho they're frequently broken, I just can't get used to anything else
20:56.47CIA-1103adirelle * r30894 10BankList/ (BankList.lua BankList.toc Libs/ localization.lua):
20:56.47CIA-11BankList:
20:56.47CIA-11- fixed external,
20:56.47CIA-11- clean up locales.
20:57.00PProvostYeah, but was what annoying was the changes to the layout system that kept breaking my custom layouts. :)
20:57.01ckknightAndune: I find agUF's layout system flawed and bloated
20:57.15PProvostThat too, but I can be a pragmatist and ignore that
20:57.40Andunewell, not saying the implementation was good.  But I liked the concept  :)
20:57.58ckknightPProvost: I'm actually considering moving to a function-based layout system
20:58.08PProvostThat sounds interesting.
20:58.12ckknightwhere an actual function is called (that can be custom or otherwise) instead of a big table layout
20:58.24PProvostI like the sound of that. I can just hook and go then?
20:58.27Fisker-ckknight you are wrong and you should feel bad!
20:58.28ckknightadvantages are that it's much more efficient
20:58.31Andunecool
20:58.31PProvostIdeally a set of functions and I can hook the one I want.
20:58.44Cryectaguf is definately bloated which results in random features breaking all the time heh not as bad wow though
20:58.46PProvostIf, for example, I just want to change the font.
20:58.47ckknightand can provide complex structures like if statements
20:59.00ckknightonly disadvantage I can find is that it's hard to analyze
20:59.15Fisker-btw is pitbull gonna get names for units?
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20:59.24ckknightFisker-: I added that yesterday
20:59.30Fisker-:(
20:59.44Fisker-i suck and i should feel bad then
20:59.56Fisker-Probably gonna wait a bit until you get SLASH HANDLERS YARRR
21:00.01CryectYou like not having names?
21:00.36Fisker-Ne? No.
21:00.40Cryectheh
21:00.44ckknightFisker-: I added a slash handler /pitbull
21:00.46Fisker-s/Ne/me/
21:00.48Fisker-or something
21:00.49Fisker-yeah
21:00.50ckknightdoesn't do what you'll think it does, though :-P
21:01.10Fisker-it actually just uses the /script gold_per_silver=0.01 command
21:01.32Cryecthaha
21:06.13CIA-1103ckknight * r30895 10PitBull/ (PitBull.lua WatchdogTags.lua): PitBull - clear background upon :ClearUnitFrame
21:07.22CIA-1103mcc * r30896 10MobHealth/locals.lua:
21:07.22CIA-11MobHealth3 :
21:07.22CIA-11Modify locals.lua add Traditional Chinese translation
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21:08.15PProvostHey Adirelle, I'm just looking at CastYeller. Any thought about making the spells/messages configurable instead of hard coded?
21:08.47AdirellePProvost: headache ?
21:08.49Adirelle:p
21:08.58PProvoste.g. /castyeller <spell> <success|fail> <message>
21:09.08PProvostJust asking...
21:09.09PProvost:)
21:09.16PProvostIf you aren't thinking about it, that is fine.
21:09.30AdirellePProvost: btw would it allow to add new spell ?
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21:09.55PProvostI would like to be able to add a new spell and/or new messages to spells.
21:10.00PProvostOr remove them, etc.
21:10.05PProvostNo hard coding at all
21:10.24PProvostS'okay... just thought I'd ask since I saw you here.
21:10.52AdirelleWell, I thought about it, and I decided to not allow it, to keep the thing simple
21:11.12Adirellebut I think it wouldn't be too hard to make an extension that could allow to do it
21:13.51art3misSomeone yells GOD FUCKING DAMMIT YOU STUPID MUTHERFUCKING USELESS WHOREBAG CUMDUMPSTER SPELL STOPPING FUCKING FAILING ALL THE GOD DAMN TIME GOOD GOD BLIZZARD!
21:13.57art3misyeah hardcode em ;P
21:14.12PProvostummm... ok
21:14.32Austeritywow hi
21:14.34art3misactually addons taht say and yell stuff when they cast sort of annoy me
21:14.57art3miskind of like those retarded ones that emote about being low in healthor needing a heal
21:15.05PProvostI guess I might just need to wait until Iriel updates AfterCast
21:15.31art3misbut thats just me
21:15.34art3mis;)
21:15.45PProvostDo you play a support class?
21:15.49art3misim a priest
21:16.23PProvostAnd your mates don't find that kind of stuff useful? (I mean when you announce stuff you're doing that they might care about.)
21:17.36chutwigoh i do hope gruul drops warlock token tonight
21:17.42chutwigvoidheart underoos!
21:17.44PProvostgood luck
21:17.59chutwigimbued netherweave is getting a little long in the tooth
21:19.40art3misppv: nope i just cast.. and i dont need thier help to tell me who needs healing ;P
21:20.43art3misnot to mention ive got a res monitor(as does the rest of the priests and shammys and pallys)
21:21.04art3misto each thier own though
21:22.40xyunothing worse than random cast messages.  "I'm casting heal on x"  alla castparty.
21:22.51xyuor like "The sheep goes baaa"
21:22.56xyufrom that one mage addon
21:23.04xyuspams whenever sheeping, casting teles
21:24.17kergothdoes http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hE0zZxVc0Exsiuqo look somewhat sane for a leveling build?  not that familiar with the new shaman talents
21:24.29kebinusanhmm any screenshots of pitbull
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21:27.04chutwiglooks okay to me
21:27.09chutwigi would take 2h axes and maces anyway
21:27.15chutwigeven if you plan to dw most of the time
21:27.23vhaarris imp. lightning shield really worth it?
21:27.32vhaarrI'd take 2h instead of 1/3 at least
21:27.35chutwigonly if you're religious about keeping it up
21:27.39vhaarrye
21:27.54chutwigpersonally i don't because i think it costs too much mana
21:27.58vhaarrI agree
21:28.27vhaarr2h + one of the totem talents instead imo
21:28.36chutwigguardian totems is decent
21:28.46chutwigas a warlock i can tell you that i fucking hate grounding totem
21:28.57vhaarrall spellcasters do
21:29.20chutwigi hate it especially because it tends to eat my only method of instantly clearing some space between me and them
21:29.49Relapselol yeah, I used to dual my shaman mate alot (I'm an UD Priest), and the amount of times that grounding totem ate my Devouring Plague (
21:31.50chutwigi hate fighting rogues, especially undead rogues and warriors
21:31.53chutwigthose are usually losing battles
21:31.58chutwigshamans are my next least favorite
21:32.02chutwigmost other classes are a wash
21:34.01Austerityis there a hotky to switch between full/window?
21:34.46kebinusanyea
21:34.51kebinusanI cant stand rogues in arenas
21:34.55kebinusanthough I play a warlock
21:34.57komodowhy?
21:35.10chutwigundead rogues are awfu
21:35.15kebinusanblind, insane damage with mutilate, cloak of skill, wotf
21:35.20Austeritylaff
21:35.21chutwig10 seconds of immunity to my only method of CC
21:35.23kebinusanand a pvp trinket to get out of fear
21:36.11komodowow, interesting that I picked pvp classes randomly.  I just started wow and my first two chars are an undead rogue and a tauren shaman
21:36.27komodothough I guess those are common choices
21:36.40chutwigthere's not much i can do against an undead rogue or warrior
21:36.45Pneutroll shaman used to be the common choice, but taurens are ace because of mulgore
21:36.56Austerityas are human palidin as are every class now
21:36.56kebinusanoh and wound poison is insanely OP
21:36.59chutwigmy shaman was orc
21:37.07kebinusanconsidering MS is talented it at least offers some balance
21:37.07AmadeoGrounding Totem is more of a pain in the ass in group PvP, but 1v1 it's not bad
21:37.08komodomulgore, isn't that the starting area?
21:37.09Amadeoyou just wand it
21:37.20Pneumulgore is the cow starting area, yeh
21:37.36chutwigit's not that easy to wand when you're getting crit in the back of the head by windfury
21:37.56kebinusanchutwig: what class you play?
21:37.57komodoand it's one of the better ones I suppose?
21:38.08chutwigkebinusan: hoomin warlock
21:38.09Pneuits my 3rd favorite lol
21:38.10komodostarting areas that is
21:38.20kebinusanthe most annoying things about grounding totems for me is that deathcoil doesnt do damage to kill them
21:38.23Pneuno, 2nd favorite actually
21:38.23chutwigformer recovering paladin
21:38.25kebinusanthey just get OMG immune
21:38.30kebinusanchutwig: heh same here
21:38.31komodowhat's first?
21:38.39PneuAzuremyst Isle now
21:38.42kebinusanstill I hate rogues more
21:38.51chutwigi hate rogues because of the surprise factor
21:38.56komodois taht Draenei?
21:39.05chutwigby the time you can act you're mostly dead, even with 9k hp
21:39.35Pneuyeh komodo
21:39.40chutwigbut i take consolidation in turning belfadins into dust
21:39.41kebinusanyeah, I had really hoped stamina boosts in TBC would balance PVP and get rid of the whole burst nuking, but the stam increase barely kept up with the damage increases
21:39.43chutwig...consolation
21:40.03chutwigsome paladin lands on the stadium in hellfire, i open up for 3.2k and 3.6k
21:40.09chutwighe gets his shield off with 70 hp left
21:41.32chutwigdoes feel good to be on the other side of the bullshit big numbers for once
21:42.10Pneuhmm, i am feeling the need to write a DKPmon plugin that uses ItemLevelDKP to get its values
21:45.13CIA-1103ckknight * r30897 10PitBull/Health/Health.lua: PitBull-Health - healthbar is now colored by hostility
21:47.15TecnoBratDo the Ace2 libraries have a nice way to handle debugging output?
21:47.49vhaarrAceDebug?
21:48.46chuckgself:SetDebugging(true); self:Debug("Message");
21:48.59TecnoBrathmmm wow, I'm blind
21:50.33TecnoBratthnaks
21:51.04KirkburnRequest! Can people help update this, especially those involved with raid addons! http://www.wowwiki.com/Raid
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21:52.18ZealotOnAStickhttp://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/03/23/microsoft-sends-the-gift-of-beer-to-show-off-the-price-difference-between-the-360-and-ps3
21:52.33Pneulol Kirkburn, worst wiki article ever
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21:53.02Kirkburn:P
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21:54.06Prophhanyone here use simpleraid?
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22:02.53stavmarwell they look good anyways?
22:03.19stavmarnymbia: you present nymbia?
22:03.28harldephinoO
22:03.46nymbiastavmar: ?
22:03.52stavmarGrindStatus-0.1\GrindStatus.lua:489: attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'step' (a nil value)
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22:04.14stavmargot that error twice when logging in, just doenloaded the latest revision via the WAU
22:04.26stavmardownloaded*
22:04.54Funkeh`fix it then
22:05.17stavmarif i knew how to write code like you guys, I would.
22:05.30Funkeh`blame nymbia then
22:05.52nymbiawhich faction is set as your xp bar
22:06.05stavmarat the moment Consortium
22:06.21yacoobArgh.
22:06.22stavmarhttp://ace.pastey.net/9191 another error popped up when clicking the fubar text?
22:06.27yacoobWhat do people use nowadays for warlocks?
22:06.36yacoobmostly for quick stones usage/dispense?
22:06.40stavmarNecromonicon 2 and shardace
22:06.50yacoobback in ancient times I had this titanbar plugin... :D
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22:11.59Arrowmasterfor quick stone usage/dispense i use autobar and ritual of souls
22:12.45Funkeh`cryect: seems they changed it
22:13.12CIA-1103funkydude * r30898 10BigWigs/Outland/Magtheridon.lua:
22:13.12CIA-11BigWigs: Outland/Magtheridon:
22:13.12CIA-11- count abyssal's
22:13.13CIA-11- reduce throttling time for heal and abyssal
22:13.13CIA-11- decrease time until first blast nova
22:13.13CIA-11- reduce time of mind exhaustion bars to 90 seconds
22:16.47CIA-1103nymbia * r30899 10GrindStatus/GrindStatus.lua:
22:16.47CIA-11GrindStatus:
22:16.47CIA-11- Fix item value pattern.
22:23.43Pneudoes anyone here use Fixed Cost Zero Sum with DKPmon?
22:24.18CIA-1103nymbia * r30900 10GrindStatus/GrindStatus.lua:
22:24.18CIA-11GrindStatus:
22:24.18CIA-11- Fix another nil.
22:30.10CIA-1103ckknight * r30901 10PitBull/ (Health/Health.lua WatchdogTags.lua): PitBull-Health - updates to the health bar color
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22:32.11Kaelten-Laptopkergoth: not sure :s
22:34.18AmadeoPlanet Earth is on tonight, on Discovery at 8 PM EST :)
22:34.27kergothnice
22:34.56AmadeoI love wildlife shit :D
22:34.59Amadeowell
22:35.02Amadeonot literally that part, but you know
22:35.32Kaelten-Laptopjust a heads up guys, I'm going to be looking for a application developer in the relatively near future.  
22:37.40ckknightweb-based or client-based?
22:37.52Kaelten-Laptopclient
22:38.43ckknightokay
22:38.56ckknightlanguage/platform?
22:39.10Kaelten-Laptopkinda up to what kinda help I can find :)
22:40.23ckknightwell, I might be interested, depending on the project, which would dictate the amount of time would need to go into it
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23:00.19CIA-1103ckknight * r30902 10PitBull/Aura/Aura.lua: PitBull-Aura - bugfix and optimization
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23:03.54chutwighmm
23:04.11chutwigmy aguf raid groups look a bit messed up, it just makes blank frames rather than actually filling them in with health bars
23:04.44ckknightchutwig: I've been BGing with PitBull ;-)
23:05.07chutwigi don't really need to see them now anyway because i'm not healing
23:05.09chutwigbut it's still nice
23:05.43Nickenyfikengonna try PitBull again now... didnt even load when i tried earlier today :-/
23:05.54Amadeoit's been working for me!
23:07.17ckknightNickenyfiken: it should load, I added libraries
23:07.33Nickenyfiken[2007/03/25 00:06:40-2022-x1]: PitBull\PitBull.lua:3: Cannot find a library instance of SharedMedia-1.0.
23:07.40Nickenyfikenonly PitBull and bugsack running
23:08.03ckknightdid you get the libraries?
23:08.37CIA-1103grayhoof * r30903 10sct/ (install.txt readme.txt sct.lua sct.toc sct_event_config.lua):
23:08.37CIA-11sct: Added Spell Name option.
23:08.37CIA-11Added Truncating or Abbrevating of spell/buff names.
23:08.37CIA-11Changed buff/debuff events to use SpecialEventsLib; allows for much better buff and debuff tracking.
23:08.37CIA-11Added Test Button.
23:08.38CIA-11Removed Light Mode.
23:08.40CIA-11Added new Custom Event Buff types for much easier buff/debuff event tracking; see sct_event_config.lua for more info.
23:08.47CIA-1103mcc * r30904 10ACP/ (ACP.toc localization-zhTW.lua):
23:08.47CIA-11ACP:
23:08.49CIA-11add localization-zhTW.lua: Add Traditional Chinese Translation
23:08.51CIA-11modify ACP.toc: add Traditional Chinese support
23:09.03Nickenyfikenyup i checked that... ill try with a SVN checkout instead if zip
23:09.04CIA-1103grayhoof * r30905 10sct_options/ (10 files):
23:09.04CIA-11sct_options: Added Spell Name option.
23:09.04CIA-11Added Truncating or Abbrevating of spell/buff names.
23:09.04CIA-11Changed buff/debuff events to use SpecialEventsLib; allows for much better buff and debuff tracking.
23:09.04CIA-11Added Test Button.
23:09.06CIA-11Removed Light Mode.
23:09.08CIA-11Added new Custom Event Buff types for much easier buff/debuff event tracking; see sct_event_config.lua for more info.
23:09.28ckknightNickenyfiken: in libs, does SharedMedia-1.0 show up?
23:09.38CIA-1103grayhoof * r30906 10sctd/ (install.txt readme.txt sctd.lua sctd.toc): sctd: Added Spell/Skill shortening (uses SCT settings)
23:10.03CIA-1103grayhoof * r30907 10sctd_options/ (8 files): sctd_options: Added Spell/Skill shortening (uses SCT settings)
23:10.03Amadeohm, sct updates
23:10.17AmadeoHow does SCT resource use compare to MSBT these days?
23:13.00Nickenyfikenckknight: yep
23:13.42ckknightand check the .toc, does it seem to match correctly?
23:13.51Nickenyfikenstupid tortoise killed my explorer
23:13.53Nickenyfikenwait a sec
23:16.23Nickenyfikenlibs/SharedMedia-1.0/SharedMedia-1.0.lua hmm does it work with both types of slashes?
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23:17.43Nickenyfikennot thats the problem
23:17.47Nickenyfikenfound another problem too
23:18.00NickenyfikenAceModulecore is missing from libs
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23:18.37ckknightah, okay
23:19.12Amadeooh, standalone was saving me I guess
23:20.11Nickenyfikenyup
23:20.12CIA-1103ckknight * r30908 10PitBull/ (PitBull.lua PitBull.toc libs/):
23:20.12CIA-11PitBull - added AceModuleCore-2.0 to libs.
23:20.12CIA-11- fixed slashes in TOC
23:23.47Nickenyfikenyay
23:24.27Nickenyfikenckknight: you also changed the / to \ in the URL ^^
23:24.41Amadeo\o/
23:25.10ckknight(   º   Y   º   )
23:25.10Amadeohaha
23:25.15JJSheetsWoot
23:25.21Funkeh`ckknight, nearly as big as you mums
23:25.22ckknightNickenyfiken: what are you talking about?
23:25.35ckknightactually my mom is pretty flat
23:25.48Nickenyfiken## X-Website: http:\\ckknight.wowinterface.com\
23:25.53ckknightoh
23:25.54Nickenyfikenwell its working perfectly now
23:25.55ckknightwhoops
23:26.29CIA-1103ckknight * r30909 10PitBull/PitBull.toc: PitBull - fix slashes in website in toc
23:27.41CryectBig fix!
23:27.53cladhairewhats the kindest way to add lines to the unit tooltip?
23:27.54Cryectbetter all go get that revision :p
23:27.59Nickenyfikenhehe nice performance monitor
23:28.24Nickenyfikenonly 0.078 KiB used
23:29.03Nickenyfikennvm
23:29.18Cryectheh
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23:36.36Kemayonymbia: PeriodicTable-3.0 doesn't seem to include required lockpicking skill on lockboxes any more.  :(
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23:44.39GrandMasoWho thinks friendship results of a search of reciprocity domination relationship?
23:46.00Cryectwhat?
23:46.15kergothi'll second that.  what?
23:46.30AmadeoHe said, only 14 minutes until Planet Earth on Discovery!
23:46.48JJSheetsWo thinks GrandMaso should speak plain English instead of some crackpot psycho babble?
23:47.05CryectWell I kinda understand what he just said but why  besides you apparently like big words or a thesaurus
23:47.12GrandMasoMy english is as bad as my spanish; sorry
23:47.17JJSheetslol
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23:48.46LysistrataHi
23:48.57AmadeoYou had me at hello
23:49.02JJSheetslol
23:49.06Lysistrata-.-"
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23:50.48LysistrataAnyone just a quick question is there some easy way to disable the minimap icon a ACE Based Mod did create? I just can't seem to figure out which methods to are use to setup a minimap icon so I can't lookup what would reverse the effect.
23:50.52ravagernlhey guys
23:52.06Lysistratahi
23:52.17ravagernllysistrata: right click it, and click hide plugin if the addon allows it
23:52.41ravagernloh and ace sould be written as Ace, not ACE :P
23:53.16AmadeoACE is the place
23:53.20LysistrataIt doesn't allow it, it just allows me to enable/disable and yeha ok wasn't sure :)
23:53.38ravagernlok, what addon is it?
23:53.49LysistrataSilverDragon
23:56.25DaagarThat's odd... I have SilverDragon set to FuBar, not on minimap
23:56.27Prophhso what is pitbull ??
23:56.32Daagarso I'd assume it has such an option
23:57.12Daagarsounds like it is a new set of unit frames Prophh
23:57.23Daagarbeen hoping to see screenies
23:58.15CryectDon't think its really at the point to see screenies of from the sounds of it
23:59.19Daagarwould explain why there aren't any :)
23:59.33LysistrataThere isn't an option on the default "options " screen Daagar but SilverDragon:Hide() does the "Trick" it seems :)

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